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Raiders eliminated from playoffs in 26-25 loss to Dolphins

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Raiders eliminated from playoffs in 26-25 loss to Dolphins

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Lose to the dolphins and it's magic comes in to seal the deal nice Long pass later in the final seconds of the game and that a facemask penalty on arden key words and field goal range for the win. So let's start at the top though. There were things on the raiders drive. That happened as well. They were ahead. Twenty five twenty three before. The dolphin search bag went went. Wrong with the raiders and the final minute of the game. I think it's it's safe to say with really no question about it. That the raiders. Trying to you're trying not scorn. First and second down was the right thing to do. You have to where the clock down after. Make sure that time because either way no matter what happens if escorts one score games. You don't want to leave them time. The dolphins are trying to let you score if you watch it. They're trying to almost pulled. Josh jacobs into the end zone. They want him to score so those first downs. Absolutely there's no question you're not trying to score. Third out is the real decision they have to make. Do you try to go. Try to go for the zone. You know go up by five and the potentially have a two point conversion that puts you up seven. That's one choice that you can make You know. I probably think that's the right way. In fact i would say the the percentages tell you. It's is definitely the right way to go. You try to score on that third. Now play if you don't guess what that's the same thing as if you doubt the ball right. You just don't your shortly end zone. Let the clock run down. You kick the field goal just like you would have In the scenario with them You know having having taken any so there's really no difference between getting stopped third and taking the needs so your father. That's like the worst case. Unless you fumble which is incredibly rare. Obviously a habit out game tonight but those different kinds of setting so you know i think the real choice. There is the third. I would have done that. I would've tried to punch it in. That leaves you with about a minute. Meeting a touchdown to tie potential with the two as opposed the nineteen seconds to try to get a field goal. Either way the odds are so far in your favor that you win there. So the percentages do the right thing right down to that moment and then i think you score. But that's that's where the decision comes in good and felt with that image of pat mahomes in his head that the right thing to do was to dissuade rundown the caucus fires. You can't kick the field goal. And then you tell any coach in the world that you've got your defense on the field with nineteen seconds in no time outs for the team. They're gonna take that scenario. It's just it's so overwhelmingly stacked against you. That almost any coaches in say. I want to be in that situation. It just happens you have a kind of blown coverage one side. I think our net thought they were playing zone. He let the guy go and there's a wide open receiver and then obviously rt grabbing the facemask spinning around somehow fitzpatrick's still completing getting the extra fifteen. Because that was the key there if they don't get that extra fifteen. The dolphins still are a long shot to try to get down and of yoga range so everything had to go. Wrong for the raiders in that scenario. And that's exactly what happened you know. I think people can go back and second guess One thing i will say. This situation is a lot of people like to make their determination whether it works or not. Those people are people that i think critical thinking that's called results based sticking it something i really Get driven by you. You have to make the determination of something. It was a good decision by whether it was the right decision. At the time the outcome isn't really relevant. So if you just wait and say well. It didn't work so it was dumb. You're probably not a very smart person. but yeah that scenario You have to play the odds john group. Did i think the right way. Everything just got completely chaotic and out of control to a point where. I don't think anybody could have seen that coming but renno to that. It was right the last one i gotta make on this though is the most forgotten about play. That entire sequence was really the decisive play of the game. So the raiders. I think had the math all worked out in their head. That if they would have got a i i in goal they could run the clock all the way down to kick the field goal. But think back what happened on that third. One play. raiders went hard count. They had ingo in motion. It through the front seven off of miami through the guys off. They jumped offsides. Give the raiders. The first out. Everybody i've leaking is happy Down they can run the clock night. Kick the field goal. Go ahead. But if the raiders would have gotten that i doubt on their own if they would run the ball picked up the yard got the first down they could have run the clock down to one second. Kick the field goal but because it was an offside the clock didn't start now. The dolphins gets used their time out. After the first outplay instead of after the third down play it so now they have to waste. That's an can run. All those plays so that because the dolphins didn't have to call a timeout on after the raiders. Pick up the down because the clock is already stopped that ends up being what changes the bath. A little bit on the raiders and they can't run the clock all the way out before kicking field goal so while it looked at the time like that was a good play by the raiders to drop it off side In the end it wasn't now the cat would be listened. The raiders over ten on third down. Oh for ted in the game on third down so would they pick that up. I don't know. But i think the odds are in your favourite. Pick it up and then they can run a data zero. That shows you. Just how tough. Sometimes the math is a real time and how things just come down to. You know crazy things that look like a good thing at the time that are actually a bad thing in the end Eddyville math is not that easy. And that's you see a lot of coaches struggle with an atom agree with your sentiment that they should have gone for it there on the third down. I thought that's what was going to happen. Especially when you're talking about a kicker that just makes an extra point in the game mean it's twenty two yard field goal shirt. That's a chip shot. But are you going to trust him. And there's a game winning type scenario because at that point you're not ahead. You're trying to get ahead so it's like you know you're putting carlson daniel carlson. Excuse me into that position to kick the game winning field goal. But you're not even certain at that point that you can't get it and i think if you're gonna take the risk on getting a score that it should have been for a touchdown at least at that point. You're forcing miami. To go down the field and score a touchdown not for him to get a field goal or within field goal range so i i think it makes all the point scenarios much larger scale from miami to have to catch up as opposed to having them get down to. Let's say the like you said in our forty yard line for a sixty yard. Our field goal attempts. So it's it's crazy like you said there is so many small intricacies and that's why i'm not. Nfl football coach But those are my thoughts as looking from it from the outside. But i would have probably gone forward on that third down jon. Gruden and reaction took off his head side and was done you know before the roughing. The passer was even done in called. I think he knew at that point the that that was a. 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Go right now to indeed dot com slash blue wire offer valid through december. Thirty first terms and conditions apply. Welcome back to the post game edition. Vegas nation podcast. It's heidi fang ed. Greeny and out of handle again. We're talking about the raiders. Loss here to the miami. Dolphins allegiance stadium and this season is all done for the raiders. Sure they have to play the denver broncos in denver as their final game of the season but there will be no season so as you look at this final game and going into denver I feel like the raiders. Wanna finish off strong. They want to get to that hundred. Mark the certainly isn't where they wanted to be at this point out. How much should injury news contribute to. This lost here. And you know. Unique recounts gives out Claim farrell out. These are key defenders for the raiders. So that's something. We didn't mention earlier. And i wanted to get your take on how the injuries played a part in what happened. Not just in this game but throughout the season. I don't think i'm gonna put this one on the injuries at all like they've been dealing with injuries all year and certainly has taken a toll on a lot of the guys that are not as comfortable as maybe they would be if they had a lot more reps at a lot more snaps out on the field but listen. Everybody's doing with injuries raiders. Had a couple of guys back. It wasn't like they were playing the same where they were last week. Yeah quick coffees losses. A big one. Because he's been playing really well and he's the playcaller on defense. That's a big loss. A couple of guys not being there as welcome for a who is a pretty good against run in fact if you really think about maybe it is a big difference because of clifford's on their instead of our key that maybe he doesn't commit that penalty that are key bids in that regard. I guess they contribute quite a bit but I don't think it is. I think it's the pretty good plan. I mean is good of a defense. As they played in a long time they had that plan to kinda shut down to and they they had a well scouted and they found a lot of things Against where he wanted to go and really bait him. You know checked out a lot of different place. He doesn't on his own a little bit in the sausage anyway. But i think they did a good job against two of that a good plan for containing him Everything was going well but they weren't ready. I think that adjustment with fitzpatrick. I'm sure they prepared a little bit for first patrick during the week knowing that it was possibly could come to the game but they're so focused on preparing for to a while. Maybe you take a little bit of time with its patrick. And he's a completely different quarterback. You gotta cover. Different areas of the field with fitzpatrick clam differently so That's that was the big thing i think in this one. You know many games this year. You can put on the defense. I don't think this is one of them. You know yes. Fourth quarter defense. I just mean you can't put it on the defense that they were missing guys. That would have made that much of a difference. I don't think because we saw him play for. You know three quarters while they have a pretty much all year and it just so happened that you know what's fitzpatrick had one of the biggest fourth quarters. Maybe we've seen it a long time. The nfl almost two hundred yards just the fourth quarter alone and they really had no answer for him but that was i think more of a preparation thing and they prepare for different style quarterback than anything else. And you give the raiders credit for keeping them in the game when the offense was having some struggles against the against miami to. I'm not going to pin this one on the injuries and you bring up and fitspatrick coming in the fourth quarter. I been to Wasn't getting things done in the second half of the game. The way that i think the dolphins wanted to so you see bryant former say in postgame comments that the team needed a spark. They had to denver adam. What are the raiders. Do in denver to try to come away as neat neat team you those those end of season games. The you know the sixteenth game and final game for teams that are in the playoffs are such a weird spot and i think we create narrative just based on what happens referring to earlier. But you know it'll be you go in if you're a lame. Duck like the raiders. Are you know you're finishing out the season. You don't have any plans to play for and you get blown out. Let's say well you just didn't care and if you come in and you have a great game well you know you're just trying to build positive momentum for the offseason so i think those are kind of create afterward But there is. There's definitely you know a motivational question. Going into this game. And i think you know both teams if you wanna make that case that they want you to finish your raiders could play for eight eight that can you know build momentum going into the offseason whatever you want to say. I think it's there. I think it's the fact that there are no more difficult situation in that you know. They thought they had a chance to the playoffs and their season has completely collapsed at the end of the year. They still thought even going into tonight. That a chance to make the playoffs and now they have that letdown the next week of now. What are we now. Do we do now. We're playing for. The broncos have already accepted their fate weeks ago. They knew they were going to be in the playoffs so they've been kind of a different mindset. The last week there could be a motivational edge. There that we're watching for In that game but to me what it should be about is its evaluation. I mean we're talking about the use of this team. It's really not that young. I know they've got a maybe the top five highest share of of snaps taken by players. Twenty two hundred older so they do have a lot of veteran players on the team but they do a lot of young players at this time to see what you've got Evaluation period definitely starts next week. I mean i think it should have started a while ago. But you know jon gruden was saying. Hey we're still playing the playoffs. And he he said listen. It's always evaluation time. We're always in an evaluation period but This is something you have to be. You have to make a lot of decisions this offseason about. Who's gonna be here. Who's not going to be here and you know you don't you don't wanna make those decisions blind. Do you want to go in and have a pretty good. Feel of where guys are game settings and how they react to different game situation so you wanna see a lot of these guys and if there's guys you've already made your mind up on for next year you know whether they're going to be here they're not gonna be here. Maybe you push them to the side and let them sit for a while. It's the guys place you can really decide. Make some descendants on these people. And i think that starts with the quarterback you know i. I think that they're probably committed the car for another year. But you baby. They aren't and you also have to wonder where they wanna stand with. Marcus mariota who was so bad. The preseason we know he's dealing with injuries and some so confidence issues but you'll comes into the game last week and while the while he has a benefit of playing defense it was already form. It wasn't prepared for that kind of style. He looked really good. And so what do you want to do with next year is under contract but do you want to try to trade him. Somebody looking for a starter. Do you want to increase his trade value menu. You throw him out on the field next week and he looks like he did. Last week has another really strong game like that throws for three hundred runs for one hundred. All of a sudden you can maybe seek something in the trade market if you're not looking at him as a starter next year so i would say i would. I would like to see mary auto play. If i'm if. I'm a raiders fan. Or if i'm a writer front office wanna know where he is one way or the other you know either. Either you want to try to ship them. You want to try to trade. Evan see if another team wants him to start or you want as on your team or you know some other reason to To see where he is. I think you've you've seen enough of car. You know what you have with car. He already was not a hundred percent today. Talked about how bad hurt. Let them sit Nothing against him. And i'm not saying you move on from him in his last game or anything like that. It's just i think you've already made a determination one way or the other car for next season you need to see a little bit more mariota's i'd say let him play than at the other positions. You wanna see the younger guys you know. Get some snaps and really just put them to the test and you have to have a lot more information on these guys. Go into the season That's really the only way to know where you stand in where you want to you know. Have them in your irritation next year. So we'll see what they do with that. But i would like to see a lot of evaluation done and a lot of guys. We don't quite know everything about yet for the raiders. Unless we should know if we walk away. Here is darren waller. He said these franchises all time record for receptions by a tight end in a season and that was with one hundred and twelve yards on on the day after mu wrote this one up at you know darren waller didn't make much of it after it actually happened. So what did you think about well. There's really no superlative. I think too strong for darren waller at this point He's just so unbelievable. Such a match up nightmare for opposing teams. Miami is really known for shutting down the tight end. They had really no answer for him. This is three massive games in a row are excuse me the last four for darren waller. He's just he's just so difficult to defend. We heard some real high praise for today. You start with jon. Gruden saying he. He's one of the best players on the football field. The numbers tell the story but watching the game tells the tillis even greater how tough it is for teams to match up against some of the insanely athletic. Makes but you look at the numbers. He you know tonight became a single season. Receptions leader among tight ends in franchise history passing todd christian. I florida to back to back ninety. Catch one thousand yard seasons as the tight. End for the raiders. I you know back to back thousand yard seasons just a second to do that for the franchise so just any kind of record you can think of and just Even better person away from the field and everybody knows about historian what he's been through also what he's trying to pay that forward and help help the younger people as well So just a great story of the year say tonight. He doesn't remember for breaking a record before and it was kind of a cool moment for him even in the loss tonight to be able to break a record and You know you you just imagine well if there hasn't been many before there's a lot on the future pretty much any tight end record and really think about it. Like many receiving records for the raiders at some point could fall because of their waller. Because he's just that talented player that difficult of a weapon. Matchup great guys. That'll do for us here on the vegas nation. Postgame addition podcast being rough day. Here in the office for the raiders. The and we'll see if they can rebound in their last game of the season against the denver broncos in denver. That'll be next week and we will. Have you covered with all things happening with that game. Africa station dot com and make sure to download the vacation app. You can check out. The guys. here are all their articles in print as well as following on twitter at hill. lv rj. Heidi think you've been injured in an accident. You need the right team on. Ashley is a former insurance defense attorney. Who knows the insurance industry's playbook and sam is an experienced high stakes negotiator for accident victims and their families at sam and ash. Our sole focus is on you your recovery and getting you the best possible settlement in the least amount of time. 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Hour 2: AB To Oakland

"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes? Set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash get up. That's indeed dot com slash get up. Going to be really good. We are delighted to have you waking up starting week with us here with greeny and Mike Woodson. Bart Scott here, Dan Grazziano with the very latest NFL news as we come to you as always live from the seaport district at pier. Seventeen brought to you by chase. And here's the menu for our second hour today. We're getting up with the warriors they stunk yesterday. But that may be the least of their problems. Did you see what Steve Kerr said about drain on this could get very interesting. It's all a minute away. Plus, of course, Antonio Brown. How did he do it? What does it mean? Huge winners and barscott has a loser in this scenario that is in Pittsburgh, wait till you hear who it is plus really wounding. It's now or never preside on our coach tells you what it means for him and for do as we get up with you starting right now and it starts in Oakland yesterday. Kevin Durant in the warriors taking on the lowly. Sons warriors took care of business Friday night against Denver. You figure are they going to walk through this one. Maybe they'd sleep walk through it early. First quarter warriors up seven all right now Klay Thompson is playing hard. Look at him here on the defensive and we'll keep the shadow on him because he's going to run the floor and then watch off the feed Klay. Thompson rewarded for making the Ron and that is his first ever career reverse dunk. They keep track of that for clay reverse. But the words we lead by just one at halftime fourth quarter. Now sons down five not giving up to markets cousin's coming over playing good help defense, but the ball's gonna wind up in the hands of Mikhail bridges, and he's gonna find the bottom of the net. Phoenix deuce later. Sons down one Booker inside for Dion dre, Eytan sons up one now scary moment for the warriors. Because more significant than anything else that they are healthy. And in this moment, they weren't. Kevin durant? Gonna come down on the foot of the Andre Eytan watch it again here you'll see them just come down appear. Roll the ankle a little bit. I'll tell you right now. The news is generally good. It's an ankle contusion didn't even need an MRI. He was done for the game. But should not it didn't appear. He's going to miss any other time now under five minutes ago. Sons up one Booker there have four he. Score thirty seven later. Same scored eight and again Booker again Booker throwing it down the sons are eight points two minutes ago. Warriors, still down eight China come back. It's curry. It's thomson. Thomson was really good warriors cut it to six but with under thirty seconds ago were within three and this is a shot Steph. Curry makes sleepy is going to give it up get it back, and he's going to miss the three he was four fifteen from three. And the sun's unimaginably win at oracle one. Fifteen one eleven Steve curr what? Let me very quickly bring this after the table here. Mike Woodson analyzing basketball. We can pull back really quickly directly show while I'm doing it. But you were shaking your head most seriously while he played times it was berating the crowd. What was that about meta eighteen thousand hotdog you? Crazy. I could live without blaming the crowd if the planes are having a tough time getting energized on Sunday against Phoenix in March. It's easy to understand. It's not about the fans, but I wanna ask you the most important question of all because we've seen the ups and downs. But we all understand at the end of the day. It's all about them trying to win their third straight championship. If I gave you right now the warriors or the field to win it this year. Who would you take Golden State Warriors? You would take the will. They be significantly challenged in the playoffs. I think so I think Denver used. Are the two big teams? I think that challenge him out of the east. You know, you got Toronto Milwaukee in Boston those three team saw. Hey. I just I picked them because they are they're grown. They want to roll. They know what it's like to win it. The other teams are chased in it. That's my team in the play. All does feel as though there's an element of last dance to this for them as well, which I've seen firsthand galvanize team as the bulls did it once upon a time. All right. Let's get now to get up and go because this is something million things. I want to catch you up on quickly. And it starts in this game. Something that gained a lot of steam on Twitter last night, just watch Steve Kerr's face and read his lips if you are able to do. So it's not that hard to just watch the right here. A seems to be saying I'm so bleep in tired of Draymond bleep. Should know. That was asked about it. After the game. He didn't have any comment address that media again this afternoon. Maybe he'll address it there. We'll show it to you. One more time quickly. That certainly seems to be what he's saying there. We'll see if there are any repercussions. Meanwhile, is we get up and go Chris Paul a block at the buzzer ceiling. Houston's win over the Mavericks rockets of one eight straight longest active streak in the NBA are the biggest threat in the west Mike Woodson Golden State Warriors. I think so I mean, I think having Chris back. They gotta stay healthy any team in the west of these trying to win title. You gotta stay healthy. But Chris Paul and hearten our prime speaking of being healthy, our return to the lineup for Joel Embiid yesterday for the Sixers that's just what they needed thirty three points twelve twenty eight minutes, whereas Philly in the east if he's healthy where are they in your mind in Eastern Conference? They're right there too. You know, you can exclude them getting a be back is a big piece of the puzzle. I think that's right. Over with Tobias Harris has really helped him two minutes minutely. So that'd be in the mix. No question. Now back to the NFL where the Rams announced they've agreed to terms on a new one year. Deal with linebacker. Dante Fowler schefty said about eleven million dollars live with us this morning. Bart scott. Why are you shaking your head again? Because with the market all the guys being he would have been a number one guy on the market this opportunity for him to get a long term deal. Now, he gets hurt or something happened here never be able to recoup that money. Obviously the biggest football story of the weekend was the raiders making verbal agreement to a trade for wide receiver Antonio Brown. A third and fifth going back to Pittsburgh. We had lots of perspective this morning ready live, including Rosenhaus whose aid these agent and Adam Schefter who said this. There's no debating that. This look at the numbers and two lower ones on your screen into came into the league. First in catches. I and yards. I and for downs. Only gronk is caught more touchdowns during that period of time. So there's no questioning the productivity there are some who are questioning the method that he used to get there. Again, we are drew rose announced earlier this morning. I wanna bring in Louis Riddick because Lewis you speak not only as a former player, but also a former front office executive. So from that perspective. I want your perspective on how Antonio Brown one about essentially, forcing his way out of Pittsburgh getting the new team and getting the new deal O'Grady what he bet on was the fact that his resume in the past speak for itself as far as teams were projecting him in the future. And he it was betting on the fact that there would be at least one team there'd be at least one that could use his services and found that one team that not only could use services. But I think the most important part for him, even though he said to the country that the most important part. Was going to a place with great culture that didn't have a lot of drama didn't have any haters at the locker room without that thirty point one million dollars was very important to him. And the fact that he found a team that would be willing to do that given that you know, quote, unquote, he's on the wrong side of thirty years old. Although he's one of the best condition. Hardest working players in the National Football League. Look, that's that is a win for him. It's an absolute win for him would many what I 'cause many players trying to go this route as far as trying to get moved and get to a place that you wanna get to. Yeah. I would caution them. This guy has a very unique resume. Here's a very unique skill set. There aren't many players if any who can do what he does. I call them uncomfortable. Because he is he beats double teams he'd beat single covers like there's nobody out there. And he's one of those guys right now, even though he is on the wrong side of thirty so to speak if you look at his work ethic, and you look at how this guy has made himself into the player. He is you can see why the raiders are betting on the fact that all the things that he's done in the past doesn't necessarily doesn't mean that he can't do it in the future. They're betting on it. And I wouldn't bet against the guy. So without a doubt a win for him. Although with Pittsburgh, despite the fact that they only get it three and five I think they definitely believe that it's dishing by subtraction for them. Okay. Fair enough. I wanna ask you quickly. However from the Oakland side of this about Derek cars have clearly been the ups and downs in a lot of questions as to whether Jon Gruden really fully believes in him. Now, he gets the star wide receiver. But the raiders are up there at the top of the draft. They have a lot of different ways of going going about things here. How do you expect this to play out with Derek Carr? I think to play out very well. Because look you need a number one. Like this again, this guy is uncomfortable. So it will be one of these. I would expect it Antonio to have as many targets as he has ever had in his career. You do not make this kind of move without betting on the fact that you're going to get him the football. And the guy was going to get him the football der car is this town to any quarterback in the NFL. There are many people who radio on their cars, especially about his ability to perform under pressure. There are a lot of subjective arguments to be made about why. Y you know, he is not played as well in recent years, but they need to fix their off line. They needed to get number one. They need to fix the running game. But for him in particular as far as having that number one right now that he knows in any situation he can go to look the sky's the limit for him. And he should be ecstatic as far as what his two thousand nineteen potentially looks like so quickly because there's all of this speculation. And that's all it is speculation people look at John some of the things he said about collar Murray, he is up there at the top of the draft and has other munition you believe Derek are will beat their quarterback this year. That's screening do. I believe you'll be their quarterback. I think he should be their quarterback. Let's put it that way. I think he should. I think there are many other areas that they can improve this football team given the draft capital that they have that would vote very well for them in two thousand nine hundred and beyond. I think their cars one of those people who they need to get behind and help support and see if they can get him back to his previous form Antonio Brown's tremendous step to getting that way this distract his loaded with defensive players if you've seen Oakland Raiders defense play they can use all of them they use every single one of them. So they need to go out and get them. Very well said Louis, thank you so much. We'll be leaning on you all week long. Obviously this free agency stuff gets going in earnest now, let's stay with the trade as part of what we're gonna call required. Reading for today. Bill Barnwell wrote a piece it's up on ESPN dot com right now. It's called grading the Antonio Brown trade from Steelers to raiders part of it. He writes in making this trade now the Steelers passing up the opportunity to keep one of the five best wideouts and football on their roster for essentially twenty two million dollars cap space. Instead, they eat twenty million in dead money on their cap and let that guide play for somebody else, I will insert here. They only got back three and five which is not seem like much, especially when Amari Cooper yields a one. So I'm looking over to my football crew here. And I'm seeing a lot of not at Notting. Heads shaking heads here. Dan. What was your take on that bills? A great writer. Great analysts. I think you hit the nail on the head. I mean, this is a shocking decision by Pittsburgh to me to do it this quickly when you still had a week to go before you had that roster bonus which two and a half million dollars. By the way, NFL team can afford and shouldn't have been an impediment, and you still could've taken all the way to the draft thing about the control. The Steelers might have had over the draft. You get teams through free agency. They didn't find the receiver of their dreams and free agency. Now of a sudden, maybe they're willing to give you more than a third and fifth. I don't understand what the rush was. They're not in many camper training camp. He's not in their mixing it up in the locker room. It was it was I think foolish of them to hurry. So something Steelers Blewett bar. I know you think other teams in the NFL that blew it here as well. But I think my New York Jets blue, but mainly I think the Indianapolis Colts blue because they have the draft capital, and they have the salary cap space to be to Jordan that type of contract they have a hundred million dollars to spend this off season. But also they have the number two. They got from the jets last year. And last year was all about acquire more draft picks. They moved back got three number twos. And look what they were able to get. They were able to get your Leonard linebacker ever getting Quinton Nelson. So they were able to get all pro players with those picks. Now, I was about. Putting quality players rounding Andrew luck. And whether you're saying about your locker room, if you're saying you can't absorb a personality like that. What are you saying about Andrew luck as leader? It's not like he some rookie quarterback that doesn't have a resume. He's arguably one of the top five quarterbacks in this game. When he's right. So why not bringing that type of talent to put with TY hill to put with Eric Abram and still should be spending. As will. And I think sometimes we started like I said before we pull the curtain back, and we see that it wasn't all about Antonio Brown. That ban has to take some ownership of the relationship in the fact that two guys decided to walk away from that type of quarterback because they can tolerate his inanimate what I would wonder on this, and I tried to get at it withdrew Rosenhaus. And no one's ever gonna come out and say it, but yes, maybe living on bell doesn't like then. And yes, maybe Antonio Brown doesn't like then. But at the end of the day, they this was about the money wasn't it. This was Tony Brown's only way of getting more guaranteed money and for Le vian Bella. Was clearly about the money where are you making that because I don't I don't think so because he had already. Got more guaranteed money before because he went in he acts get more money, and they gave it to him. And it was a sign of was a loan guarantees. But I don't think that's what it's about. Listen. I've never heard a hall of fame quarterback. Call out one his players, especially one is made as many plays for him. As that that runs thing. If you can't respect me, then do it without me. Yeah. I think this is two different situations. Levy on bell would still be Steeler if they had given him the contract he want, and I don't think that's an issue with him in the quarterback at all the Antonio Brown thing was triggered by an issue that he apparently had with the quarterback in practice late in the year, and that sort of brought to light a whole bunch of other stuff including and my being respected fairly by the organization does that mean contract. So I think those are two different situations. It became an untenable situation for Tony Brown, Pittsburgh, which is why he got traded Levy on Bella different situation. Had they paid him the contract he was seeking. I think he's still be very quickly put up. Meanwhile, the raiders and what they have done. Here. I have a screen full screen for you hear what the raiders have done. Okay. There was so much criticism of Oakland last year. And as Jalen would say, maybe rightly so, but in the end look back on it. They've added three first round picks and exchange for Amari Cooper and Khalil Mack who the bears then gave the largest guarantee never for non quarterback. So a fortune of money they give much less money than that to Tonio Brown, and they get him for three and five. So as you look at what the raiders done here. What do you think I love what they're doing? Because really when you talk about a caps for. It's all about accounting. Ryan, it's all about the redistribution of funds. So you look at what they did yesterday. Got rid of simply that's ten million dollars. They probably do into Antonio Brown contract. Yeah. Three number ones. They can replace those players with cheaper. It's not a heck Khalil Mack. And yeah, he's a transcendent talent generational, whatever. You wanna say they still was a horrible defense with them. So they can get young. They can get young talent. And now not in about this year. I think the new model in the NFL is to win with a young quarterback. So I think their cars contract is up after this. As far as his guaranteed money. So they can go out there and get it too because they have to number twos next year. So they can get the cheap quarterback that they need take that you know, to Las Vegas in be able to win the way that the new NFL wins Gaza rookie Dell. So they can go out and spend I thought. Yeah. Amari Cooper deal and the Tony Brown clear wins for the raiders, no question about knack. They only had thirteen sacks team last year losing him cost them dearly in terms of on field performance. We'll see what they do with the picks. They got back for they have to rebuild that defense. Lewis said they can use every single they have on the sizable. Nobody would give them a hard today. Stout. Luma. Yeah. Whoever you with those picks is going to have to work pretty hard to be as good as Khalil Mack Allred. No question, but they weren't winning the SuperBowl with MAC this year. No matter what. All right, guys, stay with me minute here. We'll get much more football as we go. But I haven't gotten Duke all morning long. And we know they've not been the same since they laws I on Williams, and they they've trailed for fifty seven percent of gametime since he went down. They only trailed nine percent of the time when he was healthy their laws against Carolina came as an interesting game. It gives Carolina a share of the title is the thirty second time in school history. They've wanted including three of the last four the good news for Duke and bad news for the rest of the ACC is coach K says he expects I under return to the lineup Thursday when they begin in the ACC tournament. Our Joel Nardi right now has Duke on the to line. He has Virginia Gonzaga, Kentucky and Carolina on his one line entering the conference tournament. Of course Carolina swept the season series from do Pajan. Basically didn't play an either one of those games. Let's. In college game days, Seth Greenberg and Seth you were there Saturday night. And it was a very interesting game in a lot of different ways. What do you expect as far as I'm concerned the rest of the way? Well, I think it's going to be going to be a process when he comes back. He's going to be on a pitch count. You don't go from zero to one hundred overnight looking spins three weeks. And I think I game probably will begin circus a team places slower pace. But when you look at Williamson, immediately, what is gonna change greenie. He's going to change their energy. He's gonna change their enthusiasm. He's an energy giver. They're going to play harder. They're gonna prove their defensively because look they're plus twelve points on the floor points off turnovers with Zion on the floor. So he's going to change those things, but there's going to be adjustment period. That's just the way it is. It's just been third for John and the team for real simple practice is one thing and he's been practicing. But my college coach used to tell us his story. There's this guy. He. One line one line only the plates. Hark is that a candidate here? And you know, what he practices part of the mirrow Harka Zada cabinet here. He practices in the dress rehearsal Harka Zeti candidate here, you know, what then comes time for the show the cannon goes off. And you know, what happens? He goes. Because when the lights go on greeting when the lights go on all of a sudden things change practices. One thing the intensity of the ACC tournaments different thing. And you know, what Zion? You can't go from zero to one hundred on a pitch count. And I think they will eat them into the rotation with a healthy I on very quickly with the healthiest signer, they one-seat. No not at once. Because unless unless then when the ACC turn them with a healthy sign if they win the ACC environment. They moved to on line if they don't win the ACC tournament. They gotta stay on the to line the interesting to see because I think everyone looks at it and says had he been healthy all the way through things might have been different. We'll see how the committee decides to do that Seth well done, and I've heard that joke. But usually it has one line say on TV. All right that moment here with much more Antonio Brown. We have a hall of fame wide receiver into comment on Michael Irvin will be live with us on how he thinks. It'd be handled the whole situation and things have gone from bad to worse for the Lakers. Should they just now shut down the Braun for good Stephen joins us with his perspective in this hour data on ESPN? Back on get up with a little I candy for you here. Jalen rose on Twitter yesterday called this the dunk of the year, you guys tell me ban out of I throw it up. Derek Jones junior. Go get through it down reminds me into white Howard in the Don contest when he threw it into ram named touch the room teaching Blake Griffin, and it is spectacular. And you know, what I can't tell you. How good it feels to do that all its years since I was able to as we continue here. Huge f ever coming fall of Famer Michael Irvin and five minutes thoughts on the Antonio Brown trade. And then don't miss Stephen back remotely his thoughts on the Lakers. Is it time to shut LeBron down? All that more in the next half hour of get up on ESPN. Indeed knows finding the right hire takes time away from your business. Hiring qualified data engineer felt like a second job more jobs Eker's use indeed than any other sites. So there's no better place to find someone with the skills. You're looking for I needed someone with a masters in computer science and database experience. Plus indeed screener questions help you find your shortlist fest. Now, I'm back to having just one job could a fifty dollars credit to give your first job. Posting premium placement at indeed dot com slash credit. Terms, conditions, quality standards and usage limits apply. Additional terms online. The Oakland Raiders Jon Gruden is getting a honky and determined. Why receiver the NFL not get more bizarre real one? This was at Simpson's driveway. He did it through social media. This wanted to kill his side of the story. Two thousand nineteen version of I want out. This is the NBA powerful. Everyone thought the raise with crazy the highest paid wide receiver in the NFL. And it's finally done French Tonio Brown who has been one of the most productive and consistent. Receivers of all time. He's at six straight one hundred catch years that the longest streak in NFL history. The question is gonna keep up that production without Big Ben Rothlisberger. He's gonna pass from six different quarterback in his career. But only a co touchdowns from Rothlisberger. And where he might really help as new quarterback, Derek Carr. That's an interesting question. Because cars struggled with tight window throws. According to NFL next stance. Brown has ten touchdowns tight windows over the last three years that's two more than the raiders had as a team where everyone is sort of forgetting the Steelers side of this is obviously terrific receiver still in Pittsburgh. And that receivers doodoo Smith Schuster who posted this yesterday. Just the simple words, I'm ready, and you look at the background. There's Antonio Brown behind him. I can't say for sure he did that purposely. And it's against the raiders. I can't say for sure he did that this -ly either. But if so I give a lot of credit. For an outstanding picture. Let us bring a hall of fame wide receiver into the. The second time this morning. We had Randy moss. And now the great Michael Irvin is with us. And we saw Michael was finishing up his breakfast. Joining us, would you think of that? I'll tell you what this looks like it comes to company with avocado toast. Michael this morning on the menu. No, no, I'm all in the pro team and go, you know, about that is you gotta make sure you're doing the right things as you get older. It's a little harder to keep it off of you. So so I'm all about protein in the morning. Crank up speeding system of metabolism. I could listen to this day genuinely, but let's get to Tony fours as his way out. He did something guys your generation matter. How good you were. And you were as good as anybody could into wouldn't do what did you think of the way he forces his way out ultimately gets what he wants? First of all we couldn't do because we didn't have the social media pats wanna get your word out. And honestly, you know, I think in Tonio Brown got what he wanted out of the situation. I mean he wanted out. Everybody's been talking the last few weeks about Tonio Brown. Like, he's the worst villain in the world. And this man has been on the football field has been a problem making a lot of plays. But I think what he's been going through this last week's as much like a horrible divorce. And we hear about the greatest marriages when they come to a divorce. There's some of the ugliest thing said to the public just to get the settlement that they want. And he got the settlement there he wanted. He wasn't going to buffalo because I thought this was doing that out of spite. And now he gets to go to Oakland. And so he'll being legs. I was just there this weekend. Well, he'll have the whole town to himself, and hopefully he can get the raiders back to getting some of those things to see over my shoulder. Right that call Super Bowl trophies. When might you know, I never been there. But what's the impact poor guy? Like, maybe Jordy Nelson. Derek carr. What's instant impact to that often? Well, who often I mean, whoever, you know? Zone that office that office just may better. This dude is pure doll. But you know, he's appear dog and people have been talking about him like a dog. But if you got the right people around him, then that dog will bark in by four you and Jon Gruden as the right person to have around him. Jon Gruden will get him the ball. He'll get him the ball early in the first quarter. So he'll have that Barkan biding for him as opposed to make him wait late in a game to get his passes. And he'll be barking and biting at you this, man. I think he's a great chance. Great opportunity. I was watching social media when they were going back and forth that appro awhile ago. And I was like, I think wow in incredible to have that on social media now to have that all year long. I'm looking forward to the to the two players working together. Michael your era in Dallas. He had Troy you at Emmett you guys won three Superbowls together and this era this team had been Roth. This lady on bell Antonio Brown. That group will not have won eight championship. How do you think we will look back on this era of the Steelers and people like to try to make those comparisons? I mean, they had the talent. But not the connective. You've never heard any time in our time playing together. And even even after our time not playing together because we're still the best of friends. We had any issue Troy with not have taken route have been rothlisburger stake and calling out his players into that. I can t I read of people talking about been rothlisburger as leader say those teams that won for both know Jerome Bettis in highs ward and guys let those team he was on those teams, and he was not calling those guys out at the time. So, you know, we had a relationship this team will be remembered they will great talents, but in order to become a real triplets. Remember, this triplet we had three Super Bowls or go into triplets on the field. Three rings. Go with it fell waste shorter that might talking about trailblazer. We saw lady on bail do something that we have never seen before set out a whole season and Tonio Brown got his money. Do you see lay beyond bail getting his money recouping the money to fourteen main that he lost? And then so it'd be hard to recruit because you can't recoup time, but you can get a great signing bonus. And let's let's talk reality here. We'll both of these guys are talking about assistive appreciation. Let's be real here. I people talking about Antonio Brown wishes to be the quarterback. No, he just wishes to be appreciated like man, we're in a different time. But back in the day you had you had dominion over players because we're playing them assert much certain amount. And you you had their rights forever. If they wanted to play only play you are not play at all. Now, these guys are getting big sign of signing. Bonuses of big guaranteed money. You have to pay them. No matter what the days of dominion over players are gone. You gotta. Partnership with player in a few. Don't do it. Well, you'll have the situation like you have into its birth. So the players do have our like they did not have before Michael app. Standing enjoy the rest of your breakfast. Thank you very much for doing this. And I hope we see again soon. Thanks, Mike Grimm. You want me to green? And no you. Your bed. Good talking to your buddy. Good holiday. It will say. It will say Michael the great, Michael. The thirty four th year championship. We continues tonight with the west coast conference semifinal got number one team in the country Gonzaga taken on pepper. We've got San Diego and Saint Mary's in the second game. And don't forget you can watch it all live on the ESPN app from absolutely anywhere as we continue. Stephen Smith is on the way, he'll talk about that, man. Lebron James is time to shut him down. We'll also get his take on an Tonio Brown and more Stephen next get up on ESPN. We are back on fan. I'm planet earth. I just want everyone to take a look at this. This is the parking lot behind the luxury box sports bar and grill in Washington, Pennsylvania, as you can see Tony Brown had been fairly popular figure there at least. All of these like cardboard cutouts and things like that not so much anymore. They're literally in the dumpster, and they are literally creating dumpster fire, and as the one and only Stephen a Smith has made his way back from a busy week in. Los I've got my brother's up. Heave. And coach. Notice. I don't have anyone who could go up against. So I got to. Oh, I got Bart Scott. And I got my well, let me tell you something we play football. I can mess with this man, if I was trying to coach I couldn't mess with this man there in my dome. We're gonna do topics. We're going to start with Antonio Brown. You are for those who don't know Stephen a Steeler fan through and through haven't seen you since the deal got done. What's your reaction disgusted? Very very disgusted. I'm not happy about it at all. If you lake I'm sorry unit. Raiders you did a good job. And I'll be talking about that on I take. But if you Pittsburgh Steelers, let's be very very clear. There's a distinct difference between what Kevin Colbert based on his reputation his experience his resume, and what he's going to do with this third round, then he acquired from paying Tonio Brown that different story compared to what level of compensation. Did you get all you'll be the greatest receive inflict ball? And when we look at it. We can't just look at it in terms of Antonio brab. We have to look at it from the perspective levian bell. Arguably the best running back in football. You'll essentially get a third round compensatory pick for him Antonio Brown. You'll get a third and a fifth round pick. If I sat here, and I said to greenie if I said. Coach Woodson a basketball coach. And of course, this football analysts wants if I sat up there. And I said to you for arguably the best running back in football and the best wide receiver in football. All you're getting is a fifth round pick a third round pick in a compensatory third round pick for two of the elite players in the game of football. How in the hell is that a good job? That is not a good job. The fact of the matter is that this entire situation has been mishandled. Antonio Brown comes out, a huge huge winner. Because as a player you don't pull off what he was able to pull off in compare. And also, let's give Giro's in house mad love and credit because clearly he was behind all of this. And I'll take this a step further. We actually have to take a moment to contemplate wasn't Tonio Brown really telling the truth about Big Ben Rothlisberger. And Mike Tomlin and the Pittsburgh Steelers organization was he really sincere when he was offended by Kevin Colbert. Or did he go out of his way to make it look that way? For the purposes of getting pushed out a Pittsburgh. And oh, by the way, was Big Ben Rothlisberger in on it. Because as a player, you might be like this get your money dog. We sit there talk about me any way you want to. We'll settle all of this wants to dust settles. But for right now, I'm gonna go with that. 'cause I know you trying to get your money, which is what this was all about. I think Ben probably gave the organization automated you see the hammer me because all of a sudden been rebuilt A-Rated. Right. All of a sudden he's like I won't extension. This the same man that's been saying I want to retire not hitting at retirement for the last two years. So did the relationship become so talked that it was like, you know, what let's just get him out of the building. Because you know, if you gotta side with the with the receiver or the quarterback quarterback wanna win every time. Stephen our that not only did they wound up getting two thirds and fifth for those two stars. They also wound up with twenty one million dollars in dead money. So it could not have one point one billion dollars. But then when you take into account juju Smith Schuster. And who else they have on their squad at the wide receiver position you're talking about an excess of twenty four million dollars. So if you look at those two or three players did equates, the twenty four million dollars doesn't quite they have them cheaper to at the end of the what are the Steelers going into next season until we see what winds up happening with the draft and everything else are they still the team to beat in the division. They had. First of all the Baltimore Ravens would be there. The Cleveland Browns on the come up, and we can't ignore. The fact there right now. Listen, I love Mike Tomlin. And actually it wasn't his greatest ship. But his resume speaks for itself. I don't think it's fair at all the level of criticism that he's got an overall. But I do think he goes into this next season because of the dysfunction that rate through that franchise last season somewhat on a hot smart who's the team to beat in that division right now it has to be the Cleveland Browns. Got you talk about a team with a tremendous amount of salary cap space that can attract for agent, I think everybody understands that Baker Mayfield is the true there creates more salary cap space. I think that'd be the number two hottest destination free agency gonna tag in my basketball cohort here. Now, we'll talk about the Lakers because the Lakers are basically out of playoff contention, right? And the team is scaling back. Lebron James minutes we've seen it already. He's average under thirty minutes per game in his last two including Saturday night and a loss against the Celtics, and they're all kinds. Of other issues right now with the Lakers. This one is frightening. They announced that Brandon Ingram is the rest of the year. He's been diagnosed with a deep venous thrombosis in his right arm. It's a condition caused by blood clot that can be very serious. We don't know exactly how significant it is. But certainly has closed down for the year Lakers. Also shutting down point guard, Lonzo ball wall. The stained agreed three ankle sprain in January than at a bone bruise that slowed is recovery. So it's been very difficult time for the Lakers. And so Mike, what's if you were coaching the Lakers. What are you doing with Brian James right now like shutting him down gotta shut him down get ready from Nick, some what do you think? Stephen. I don't disagree with that. But my the narrative that that I brought up last week. When this news came down was that. I wanna see what LeBron James wants to do. I'm not saying that I disagree with coach because I get with coach coaches coming from. But the question hasn't been about the organization in terms of the interest level of commitment to LeBron James they gave him four years one hundred and fifty three million dollars. They're all in on him. We recognize is one of the greatest of not the greatest player in the game basket. At least until he went down and got injured. Here's the reality. Because you have so many people in being in LA all of last week being in LA periodically throughout the year producing directive to who's who Hollywood courts. I I mean, I'm not talking about questions cope what I'm talking about accusations from folks in LA in it'd be no Laker. He came here for Holly. Yeah. He gonna get his twenty seven points. He's going to do what he takes to forty eight minutes. But as he really all is Stephen a the way that he was when he went to Miami, the weight, and he was when he went to Cleveland, I personally think those questions are ridiculous because LeBron James has proven to us throughout his lustrous career saying I can be critical of him from time to time. There is no question has professionalism. There's no questioning his commitment to win. There's no question any of that stuff, but lake a nation is a different breed. And when you are the marquee got keep this in mind from nineteen forty eight to this day. There has never been a marquee name outside of Elgin Baylor. Where in the purple and gold that didn't deliver a chip Elgin Baylor retired seventy to a few games into that season. Jerry, western boys wanted he retired that season, but he is the only star synonymous. And again, he was on a downside is career. Here's the only elite star to ever wear purple and goal that didn't the liver a championship. Everybody else. Did that's the mandate till abroad. James? And they don't think that they're getting that priority from him. They think he wants to be how I hear. I heard you were talking about it last week there chanting go back to Cleveland in LA, which is dateable. We'll get it done. Will he find a way? We'll he and magic and everybody find a way whether it's free agency, whatever it might be to win one in LA. Well, again, this summer is going to be very pivotal for that franchise in terms of moving forward. So they gotta start by getting a free agent. A big free agent to come in. We'll. I think they'll get one. Yeah. They'll no they'll know Kawai Kevin Durant that I mean is David at your show. I know you don't really like Nancy this. I mean now let me tell what's going on. The supposedly don't wanna go. It's either the clippers Toronto. This is what they're saying K, D one minute. You hear go to state another minute. You hear the Knicks? You certainly don't want here L LA because he ain't trying to help the Bronwyn more than their LeBron already one kyri urban you hear Boston one minute New York. The next Elliot's an outside of his can't picks up the phone and remind you he ain't trying to reunite with LeBron he left Cleveland for a reason we know what Paul George did in terms of electing to stay in. Okay. See because the Lakers did pursue him strongly enough, and what have you? So you talk about Jimmy Bulloch a damn good player, but not the marquee that you were looking for Kemba Walker us a lesser version of Cari, but special, but then again, he's a native New Yorker in New York where overpay to keep him, particularly if you can't get kyri. So when you look at all of these different scenarios now, we get back to the Lakers and LeBron he is what it comes down to you. Lebron James nobody wants to complete. What you you can't get? One gotta come that. You got to rely on Rich, Paul and club sports with your client. Because we all know that LeBron James and honest will collect sports you gotta rely on Anthony Davis getting traded. The pelicans reportedly are not going to cooperate with the Lakers. They'll trade him anywhere. But to the Lakers, which means he would have to wait until the twenty twenty twenty. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Los Angeles Clippers have a billionaire owner worth twenty two billion dollars. They've got a guy Lawrence Frank. No. For work in heart dot rivers has done an exceptional job coaching this year. And oh, by the way, they're going to have enough cap space for two max players, not just one. And in the meantime there by eight games over five hundred battling for seventy could potentially clown to sixty in the Western Conference pitcher. This is not a good situation for the Los Angeles. When we talk about the Yankees and the Mets in New York. I can't believe I'm about to say this if. Lakers. Don't get somebody the clippers will be the Yankees. LA? Lakers would be the at I wanna do less than break this up with their screaming at me 'cause your show starts and eight minutes. Go Stephen a Smith on I take back from Los Angeles, upstanding, my man. Thank you very much. We will take a break Marcus spears going to jump in next. Antonio Brown is a raider how significant Steelers lose raiders win his thoughts next get up ESPN. Get up is brought to you by the United States Marine corps. The few the proud the marine have just a few minutes left here. And I'm going to give them to my buddy, Marcus spears, the big swag who joins us live this morning. All right. The deal is done. Antonio Brown is a raider. He leaves Pittsburgh third and fifth. Go back that way, and they got a bunch of dead money markets. Did the Steelers get this thing all wrong? The Steelers loss g also whether you determine if you get it roll or whatever they lost in the situation. But it's a win for the players to win for the future of the league. And I've heard a lot of people come on now with that being said you have to be this type of player in order to win by Antonio Brown. One in the situation he wanted to get out. He wanted money, and he ended up going to Viva Las Vegas. The biggest show in football is about the end up in the biggest city at barrack where you talk about entertain that said just quickly one more Pittsburgh. And then we'll move forward. But you were here all last week. And you're particularly Friday when all this thing was sort of breaking all around or so us apprised the Steelers wound up getting as little as they did. I surprised I didn't think they would get. I we talked about that. But I didn't a fifth of the sick. A third of the five would be the be the numbers that they got will you look at Tonio Brown for Duchesne when you look at what he's done for their franchise in their organization. Not only us, but the rest of the league is saw it as well. This was something look the Oakland Raiders were like the the person that came in and say, oh, you your girl having problems all let me go. Let everybody over there. See what really is going on at figure out how to work my way in there. So you can become my best friend. I got you. I love every analogy you make let me go to Oakland here. Derek carr. You feel good about it. He he's got to be the guy who makes it work with Antonio Brown. And there have been some ups and downs. How do you feel about this marriage with Derek Carr g? Hell, no. I don't feel good about it. I told you I thought Antonio Brown would need to go somewhere where a guy was established. We don't even know if their car is going to continue to be the quarterback, the judge. I know everybody's in this honeymoon phase and excited about getting be. And you saw the post that made with him talking to their car we've seen John grueling be irrational when it comes to those type of players on his about the he let Khalil Mack go away a Cooper goal. And we've already heard talks about is their car the guy for John group. Now, I'm sure this'll help their car in this case, we're having AB who's the prolific wide receiver would give him opportunity to be very productive. But right now as it stands, this is just the honeymoon phase. We'll see if Oakland loses two or three games and Tonio Brown and the amount of production any wards if this is the right synergy or not. And if there's one thing we've seen historically from John his favorite quarterback is. The next one Marcus app. Standing thank you, my friend. Have a great day. We'll try and get you back tomorrow. The next day as all this continues to break finish it up at the table. Here this morning with what's been really interesting. You agree with that aired Marcus to say that's a an iffy mix with car and aby together. Do you worry about that? Of course. We'll just told you about the new form of move before you get a young quarterback. And I think next year their car won't be on the team and they get their salary cat relief. And that's when they go to Las Vegas as well. All right. Dan is working the phones. He's getting me with us all week long. We'll continue to bring you the very latest and all the free agency, which the legal tampering officially begins this afternoon. And then these deals can become official on Wednesday. Mike. What's so good to say, you might? He'll be back with us later this week as well. Busy day. Thank you for spending your morning with us. We'll see you tomorrow. I take starts now.

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Virginia wins the National Championship, Rodgers sounds-off, AB/JuJu

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Virginia wins the National Championship, Rodgers sounds-off, AB/JuJu

"Good morning everyone. And welcome to first things first, I'm general that is the hall of fame Chris martyr that is Nick rights. Get working is you do your thing. You do dance in before the show, man. A lot going on there. They more. But now they've been slapped on the desk now officially organized great show for you this morning. Aaron Rodgers will finally responded to the drama in Green Bay in Tokyo Brown somehow, someway, made things even stranger between he and juju. But the reason we are a little bit tired this morning only one place to start the show the game late last night. The NCW championship game Texas Tech taking on Virginia start with less than twenty seconds to go UVA down three Andre hunter the three in the corner to tie in overtime. Buck. Fifteen left Texas down by two David Moretti gets the ball knocked away from him. But after a closer look it's ruled UVA ball on the replay another close. Call goes UVA's way. Cavs would pull away to win eighty five to seventy seven last night. Virginia is your national champion one year after losing to a sixteen seed, see we'll start with you. Boy, what a difference a year makes for this team this school. What do you make of you turn around? Well, I think that the turnaround is probably the story of the tournament and not only the turn around the university. But the turnaround of the head coach because if you look at the lack of success given the regular season success ACC tournament success being one of the elite team we've had in college basketball last several years. They haven't gotten paid out in the tournament. They haven't showed that in last year coming off the worst upset that we've ever seen losing to a sixteen seat where this year where they they didn't win ACC tournament. They didn't have to be at number one seat. But the tournament to me it looked like they didn't hold that against them. They judged them on what the resume was gave them. What was justified to be a first seed, and they showed up this year. And they won the type of games that as a national champion. You're going to have to get a little luck on your side. You have to win a game where the team actually out. Doc plays you potentially that that Purdue game and the the coach because I believe that we might have a mere situation here talking about because you look at Virginia man what other team we seem like this. Is this Villanova before Jay right when Jay right? Couldn't get over the big game. Because we know coach is oh he's got that one championship has had a multitude of other appearances. But you know, is Tony Bennett now going to be one of the upper echelon because in the coaching profession people, really respect them. But when you keep coming up short the way Clemson used to do in football. I mean, but now the after a year later, I mean, great win for them very very tight game. And of course, you're going to have a call or two at the end that people are going to question. Listen, this is we'll get to the replace later. This is an all time, great sports story and all time great sports story to go from the worst loss in the history of your sport to a championship with so many of the same key players. Kyle. Guy the hero of the final four game in the final four most outstanding player talking about having anxiety attacks and dealing with mental mental mental health issues. If you will after the loss the team needing a police escort after they lose UNBC because of death threats to them to come back a year later and win the championship and win the championship this way, the last three games they played this cumulative score at the interbred relation to one hundred and one Virginia two hundred there three ploughs and the last three games they played in all three games. They were a ten to one or greater underdog in the waning moments. What what are the odds you win a game? When you're down to the ball is tapped into your own back court with five seconds left. Yes. Five percent. Three percent. Two percent. What are the odds? You win a game. When you're down four with eight seconds left. As was the case against Oliver. What? Are the changes? You win the game where they had the best chance was this one. They were only down three, and they had a whole fourteen seconds to play with it was it would have been an amazing championship story if last year hadn't happened just this run of the elite vinyl four championship game play the way they played. But the fact that it comes on the heels of a game that in the seeing people were saying smart people were saying this Virginia team can never win a title. Tony Bennett system can never win a title that they maybe should consider moving on from him. Because you have these great regular seasons and inflame out in the tournament. Those questions are now gone forever. It validates the entire program and his very unique that he got from his dad at university of Wisconsin that style of play say about the athletes who were able to come back after last year start from scratch and to not have an easy route to the championship game to have to be in until the very end. Where three to five percent chance of even being staying in each game all three games, especially at the very end here to win. It all the mental to nasty of so many things you're able to learn in athlete being pushed, mentally and physically. Those are the things that you're trying to express Jimmy. Yes. That's what you wanna see great story as you mentioned, not only just the university, not only a coach. But these kids these are not professionals. We won't critique them the same way. But man their ability to Bill to face defeat. It's just like live face defeat and built man. Can I get another chance, and they got that chance and was able to take take advantage of it. You talk about the nature of how close these gains were to overtime games one against Purdue who Purdue could be the national champ and this game in those games gentle eighteen for eighteen from the free throw line. So when it mattered most these kids, you talk about ings -iety inside these real in sports people in record. Early life. Think all these guys they don't get nervous like that. Hell if they don't so them to be able to perform under that pressure. When we were filling out the brackets everyone. When you look at your bracket no-one had forgotten what Virginia did last year and they were down fourteen to sixteen seed in this year's tournament. Yes. Like, it's not as if this was a team they clearly had the cobwebs of that loss. Still hanging on them when this tournament started. Now they were able to rally they were able to handle their first round game. And then have some escapes. I hate that. It was marred at the end by not a bad call. But by what I consider a terrible rule, but Virginia is a deserving champion. Texas Tech would have been a diverting champion too. By the way, like Texas Tech did everything you could've asked them to do and Virginia just gets the win. And it's fitting given how last year ended and we'll talk much more about the call. You were referring to coming up. Whether it did cost Texas Tech the game. But we'll take a break on the other side. Aaron Rodgers calls reports about his relationship with Mike McCarthy a smear campaign. That's next on first one. You can always check us out on the Fox Sports channels series six we're back right after this. Well, the back. We'll talk Aaron Rodgers and the second foot, I some baseball raining MVP Christian yelich shits deep two time. MVP Mike trout Robson at ho- MVP on MVP crime. One of my favorite like this could be planning NFL, man. He's got a body size power speed position playing in the NFL say running back man, we gotta give it to him. Great white hope man, we bring it back. We skip. You know, you can say that. I like it. I was opening say corner, we really give some folks. No, no, go ahead Chelsea west hand Eden hood split in two sets defenders before nailing a nice goal right here going crazy and SoHo man this game was on. They love their soccer there. I was like what's going on? I had to come over. And check it out. That was the play look at that. Nice. Finally. Oh, okay. Animal trainer. Rene Casoli getting an assist from an elephant. That's incredible. I'm sorry. A dangerous you at is. Incredible. Of course is incredible. This is this guys go end up like grizzly, man. What are you doing amazing? I love watching that too. But that is that's on. I feel uncomfortable neck. I saw Dumbo over the weekend. You should take your daughter. My daughter actually went to double my older daughter went double. But that that's an that's animal traffic, that's a real live Elvin, they could crush your skull. That scares me onto the reported feud the people doing that never. Oh, yeah. Dimmer type of great right hope between Aaron Rodgers and former head coach Mike McCarthy detailed report came out Friday describing the ups and downs of their relationship posing both in relatively negative light Rogers finally spoke out about the report said that while he and McCarthy had their share of everyday issues like any other coach in quarterback. He didn't put much stock into this report. Take a listen. The thing is about this article. It's not a mystery. This was a smear tack by you know, a writer look into advances career talking with mostly irrelevant bidder players who all have an agenda whether they're advancing their own careers or just trying to stir old stuff up. And then what happens is the same tired media folks, picking it up and talking about it, this just emphasizes their opinion about me already part of the the article seems to to want to say, you know, the Packers. A worried about me as Lear the football team moving forward, and before I get into what actually happened on the conversation, Mark, I'm going to say two things one if they knew that wherever the contract last year, and to which goes into my the second central thesis point that I'm going to, you know, take down his if I really dislike Mike that much. Why would I resign knowing if I play well, and we do what we do around here. We made a play eight straight years, then I got hurt we miss bliss. It's gonna be me and Mike my career. So if I really disliked him that much got re-sign, am, I really that is the money that important to me. I'll tell you. It's not like it's just two alpha males who were hyper competitive and love winning and are both a little stubborn. A lot of meat on the bone here. Nick, what was your action or so I listen to this entire interview. And so and we're gonna play other pieces of throughout the show. I understand a lot of what I earned saying. I agree with a fair amount of what he's saying that part right there. I do not agree with at all where he says. Why would I resign here? If I didn't like the head coach because you have no choice because the NFL you're never going to be a real free agent. Aaron Rodgers would never hit true for agency. That's a legitimate thing to say in basketball or baseball. If I don't like it here. Why would I resigned? They don't franchise question to dinner Rogers play this whole season. What? Yeah, he played this entire season. You got you got ding the first game. He played those and what happened to shoot last year. He got hurt. Oh, the reason why you mind sign is two years you last two years you've dealt with injury this year. He played every game, but was dealing with injury. And the previous year he missed a large part of the season. Like that part. I do not I think he was trying to put it very happy face on what turned into a rut. Relationship with the head coach, I think that's clear, but I will also give him credit because this article while it went hearted Aaron Rodgers it crushed Mike McCarthy and very Rogers took a different tact in this interview, which is confirmed some of the Mike McCarthy stuff, it could really hurt McCarthy's future employment and it could really hurt Mike McCarthy standing in leagues. So he he propped up the coach whatever their issues were. And I understand Rogers frustration that our friend, Greg Jennings. When asked about his thoughts on Aaron Rodgers gives his honest opinion. And I'm sure that frustrates Aaron and your Michael Finley. When asked about his thoughts on Rogers, gives his honest opinion where his main point of frustration. I think was from the when he says allude to the Mark Murphy stuff like anonymous sources that are supposedly current teammates. And he says in that interview he's like it's the same to current anonymous teammates. And I don't know if he knows who they are or has a feeling who they are. But they weren't just talking to former teammates they were talking to current teammates. But in. General see where I will defend Aaron is. I think we have I think we do the so often whether it's evaluating Russell Westbrook. Whether it's discussing how good a player is. Or isn't we go from overprotecting a guy to picking every single piece of the guy apart, and I think Iran Brown this here. Sure, I think Aaron Rodgers was a guy that for a long time when the Packers won it was because he was great when they lost. It was everyone else's fault. And over the last eighteen months people have started to say how much of this is on Aaron Rodgers parts fair. And then some people started to say, you know, what all of its own Aaron Rodgers. And that part to me is ridiculous. So I understand his frustration. But I don't think tied done of Bleacher report made this article out of whole cloth. I think tied done develops sources and whether or not those sources misled him on some points that I can't speak to. But I don't think the article was written falsely. I think the articles written with what the reporter was told from the report. Neither Aaron or McCarthy. Look good, correct? Now, Erin is trying to Aaron has responded to other reports not quite as indepth as this one Bleacher report they're released, but he's he's responded to other stuff in the past. So he here's what's being said about some of those things are true. Some of those things aren't true as a talented player when you have not had playoff success, and we have seen in era where he's been here. Allies one to sue both twice as many as him bins been to three. All right, one to one two like all these other quarterbacks that aren't nearly as good they got more Super Bowl trophies than Aaron has. So he's gonna be criticized even if he was a great teammate. Russell Wilson's been the two one one why hadn't Aaron Rodgers been back to the Super Bowl McCarthy. And Aaron Rodgers have been part of the problem the front office. They didn't suppo-. Them their defense was atrocious. Why don't they have some type of running game? Why Aaron open to new innovative ideas, offense both? They're all guilty of all those things organizations. Guilty not supporting them. So you have seen it. That's why people lost their job. That's why the head coach lost his job. But for them not to reach their potential Aaron has to take some of that blame. Now, there's no way Aaron Rodgers going to speak out and take all that. Because that article man that article was brutal. It made him look worse than people hit thought. And I can understand errands saying all the people who don't like me. This only helps them out. No, I read it independently. I have a lot of Aaron Rodgers information. I've talked to people who played with them talk to people in the organization. So this was I looked at it independent of everything else. And I didn't believe everything to be true. But I know Aaron Rodgers at this point if he's not making some type of adjustments in what type of teammates he's going to be how much football he wants to learn. Learn the different how he wants to play football to close out his career. He's not going to another Super Bowl. So for me. He's the most talented quarterback that we have. I don't believe that the scrutiny that he's is unjustified. I mean, he is often a special place in Green Bay. And I believe that the NFL and being in Green Bay has helped protect and Rogers how much of everything that came out. And what we're now learning generally where there's smoke. There's fire some of these stories and his reputation we've heard for years, it's not that. This is the first time we're hearing it. How does affect what he's going to have to do when he walks into the locker room this year with a new head coach and team that's going to be looking both for as a leader. And to get them back to where they once were. I think that there's always similar to remember the course of one story and the cards short that he needed to people like Nick foles more that wince was aloof and approachable exactly you said at the moment, whether it was true or not all the details. Carson could take some nuggets from and say I need to improve at least slightly my relationships with teammates. That's the part that for me Aaron Rodgers should take heart. He is at relationship problems. I think throughout his football career at the very least we can say that. And even if he thinks this was a piece what do you call smear? Even if it was that there, even if it's just to anonymous teammates that feel that way try to make zero try to see what you can do to adjust because you're play on the field is almost unimpeachable like nobody criticizes you for what you do on the field or very little in comparison to your contemporaries at the position. So see how you can do it. When you have a first time head coach when you have a fresh start and win. There's not Mike McCarthy as a fall guy there anymore to lay the blame on if the Packers have a disappointing season. One thing that I can verify from the report everything to Greg Jennings. Said is true, Greg. I've had long long relationship long before he came to work here long before he signed a nice free agent deal with the Minnesota Vikings him, and I had an association long before that. And both of those relationships I felt like I played a key role here at FOX and getting him here. We had a list of people who we wanted and I've outs for Greg Jennings. As far as credibility. Who the man is what type of football player how we're already worked and studied in everything. Minnesota sign into a big deal, I vouch for Greg Jennings there. So Greg Jennings is not one of those people this trying to elevate his career. He's not trying to sensationalize stories. Greg Jennings is only telling us a more. So of what really went on? I I was going to Greg. I think has actually whether feels like this or not I think Greg would be I don't want to say he's hurt his broadcast and curb Greg could've Greg could be in the headlines a lot more with how often we talk about Aaron Rodgers, and how many things he won't say on television. Absolutely. And it should be noted. And I'm not saying this because we know Greg Aaron confirmed Greg story about the niner's thing about that Greg said during a game when it was yet walkie or that Aaron said to a player on the other team, Carlos Rogers. I think he said it was you guys should come get Greg in the off season. Aaron in that interview yesterday admitted he said. Now, he said he was joking that he thought Greg took it the wrong way. But it wasn't at no point. Did he could have said there that was false. Go ask the player. He confirmed that part of it. Greg's not in the business of making stuff up, and he he did sign a very nice raging contract Vikings. I'd only Greg necessarily needs to be doing broadcasting. I think he enjoys doing broadcasting and he's not trying to hurt relationships by doing it. He's just giving his honest opinion, which is actually still somewhat protecting Aaron at time. The other part of this is going to be now the relationship between Aaron Rodgers and new head coach Matt leflore moving forward. And we're gonna talk about that coming up a little bit later on the other side Antonio ground to get another shot at juju Smith Schuster here. This person. This weekend. We're under the lights cow Bush looks for his third consecutive win at Richmond raceway. It all starts at seven thirty eastern Saturday on FOX and being sports at it is time for us to go viral Cleveland Browns fans or writing a high this off seasons. The team is hoping they can make their first playoff appearance. Two thousand two Baker Mayfield gay fans off season up to take a listen to this. That guys just really excited for the season just want you guys know that I'm working really hard. We're going to have a great season. Let's go Browns. What made him decide I'm gonna do. The old nine year old helium voice. Send out masses. You gotta have some fun. You gotta have some fun. I know column probably hates love more. Baker mayfield. More Baker Mayfield every single day. He's a different type of quarterback. I always liked this type of stuff this is a little goofy even for my taste. But I don't think there's anything wrong really should follow his Instagram account. He honestly does something like this at least once a day. Now. Of course, I spent the whole video watching to see what it was going to blow up to. I'd know we were going the route of helium to which I said don't take out just doing that. I thought it was blowing up a balloon. It was going to say something I watched the whole thing. I didn't. But after you saw him take into helium, then you're supposed to say some. We're going to do is move on. How can get confused twelve? Second on your video. Our Instagram for these brain teasers. Okay. Photoshop squirrel time for stores to start your morning easier national champion, they outlasted Texas Tech last night, eighty five to seventy seven in overtime, Nick. What was your reaction to the win? One of the greatest redemption stories in the history of sports marred slightly by terrible application of the worst rule in sports instant replay in basketball, but for Tony Bennett and those kids to come back from the depths. I thought the Spurs coming back from the Ray Allen shot to win title. The next year was as good as it gets. This is that times ten loses sixteen seed and then win the tournament with three straight games. Could a lost spectacular story for a program that was due. But we didn't know if it ever get there. It's hard to imagine you this first national championship. I appeal Kirsch national championship all the players that have gone school. They're all the teams that they've had congratulations to them to them. They were able to endure to overtime games in this street that they went through in determinant. Congratulations. Tremendous tremendous win. Ralph Sampson got to watch it in person three time player of the year. Never got never got a great rough sample story. Okay. That sounds like it's off the air. Given the smile on your face off the shock to the Dallas Cowboys now after extending Marcus Lawrence to a long term deal debt Prescott could be next. And while he wants to quote, get paid Steven Jones said his fourth year. Quarterback's contract will have to be quote team friendly. See what do you expect in these negotiations? Hope that that is smart, and he is shown in the short career that to Bill make good decisions him wearing that star on his helmet. And being a Dallas cowboy quarterback ten twelve years. He's gonna make a lot of money on off the field. I hope he understands the opportunity Amari Cooper. I got an offense of line in front of me Zeke Elliott needs to be signed man, we need some cat room. Look at. Tom Brady, don't give them the Tom Brady deal. But be smart. And to me deck also is incentivized to get this deal done before he plays again. Because there there's no guarantee that Dak taking the field again raises. His value increases his leverage. He's been a very up and down player in his career. So yeah, I think team friendly deal is a fair deal given his level of play enough to put a fence around your house man to keep them. Wow. Dogs from biting do that get enough for that? Yeah. And the settlement you're about that the pay because of those dogs bite and people that's wild, man. All right. Finally in a survey conducted by the ethnic current NBA players were asked who the MVP was forty four percent selected James harden thirty nine percent had Jaanus as MVP knicker the players, right picking hard and over Jaanus. I think is going to surprise a lot of people. I answer I've waited on this. I said I wanted because of how close it was. I wanted to get as much information possible. Now got a game or two left of the players. Right. I think j. Hard and should be the MVP this year. Wow. John was my preseason pick. Because I don't have a vote on allowed to gamble on it. I bet on Janas preseason. And I think Janas probably will win. But James harden should win the MVP and see you, and I have talked about how people we were watching a documentary where psychologists that people remember stories more than numbers? And so I could inundate you the numbers supporting James Harden's case the scoring the advanced metrics the historical significance of thirty six points per game. But instead just imagine this scenario imagine any of the other superstars in this league. Whether it's LeBron Kevin Durant. Joel Embiid Anthony Davis averaged thirty six points game aren't on an injury riddled team that is going to be the two or three seed in the west would it even be a debate. What would we eat no matter that hey Janas team's going to win six or? Seven more games. And he's a better defensive player. If it were anyone other than harden having this season, wouldn't he be the runaway favourite, and I don't and I do think it's close. And I do think there's a good argument for Jaanus, but Janas is the heavy Vegas favorite. And I think people were surprised the players picked harden. I don't think another player in the league could have done for the rockets James harden did this year to win total is now not even that different. The rockets might end up the two seat in the west. And I just can't get over the volume scoring and him taking the rockets from fourteenth in the west through Chris Paul and Clint Capellas injury to where they are right now. I'll use your example, because there's a lot of times, and it's very rare. But there are a number of times that you are able to see two performances in both of these guys are deserving, but we typically do is to try to make our case for whoever we think we tear the other person down. So as Nick's case was. Who could score like this in the league? And they wouldn't be MVP. Well, who could have Janas numbers wouldn't be MVP because Janas says well deserving if you look at the offense of in the defensive end if you look at the team people say, oh, I'm into team I'm into win with all those things Janas has a compass. The person that's grown their game honest. He would be able to answer to that question. So I could make a case for both of these guys tremendous years tremendous years, the one thing I can say about harden is that harden has been in Janas position before in didn't win in DP. So now do they make up for one of those years? When harden got robbed a being MVP? And typically when you're in N VP conversation, you have to be in the previous year, and then that next year if you're able to follow up on it, then they're able to give it to you. But both of these guys tremendous seasons in themselves. I'm not gonna tear down either one the voters will get it. Right. Because you can't get this one wrong. And I also want. To understand like, the the precedent of if you are scoring at this clip and your team's good every single guy who have done it post wilt has won the MVP that you're except for Jordan a few times, Jordan because Jordan one psalm and then they gave Barkley won the Jordan brothers showed one. There was some Jordan fatigue. But we Bob macadear when nineteen seventy five thirty two plus points per game on a really good team MVP. Kevin Durant a few years ago everybody that has been thirty two plus points on a really good team has won MVP every time they've done it except for Jordan who got there actually three times. He could have won the MVP when he hit those thresholds and just didn't get it. Because people in the beginning, they didn't know if his team would have playoffs his success in the end, they got sick and giving him, but the players voted for harden or would vote for harden over Jaanus. No, I think the players because they've seen hard. They know how hard he's work. How much he's grown his game. He's done it last five years. I mean, he has been. When they're in these conversations. So no, I can understand the players respect the how long he's probably done it compared to John really jumping on the scene. The last two years and the other interesting part of this players pulled by the Atlantic. We're about a quarter of the league was polled. One of the most underrated players, according to the V players was Chris Middleton and Britain. That's Janas Tannock. So I bring that up in the context of I think the players maybe more than the general public think Janas has a better supporting cast than he's given credit for with blood. So in Middleton coach this situation, they have their and recognize that harden had no Chris poll. No Clint Capella for a long stretch. Again. I the only wrong answer to me is it's not close. It is very close. But I think Harding Julian b p for the second straight year. Let's dive into the NFL here Antonio Brown. He jabbed with his former teammate Smith Schuster over the weekend. The two went back and forth over Twitter. AB wasn't done. Apparently last night sending out a screen shot of direct. Message juju sent him on Instagram from juju college days. It said what's up baby? I'm a receiver at the university of southern California. I appreciate all your work your great man on and off the field. You have any tips that can help take my game to the next level. Thanks man with the caption onto the next from Brown. I see what what do you make of this? If you're young receiver. Don't don't stop don't don't stop DM. If I took you through my DM's as far as kids if I've encountered since we've had Twitter in the things that I've been able to listen to them about their issue. Should they stay in college where should they train which should they do next? Like, this is one of the things about AB that upset me more because I know the legacy, and I know why receivers throughout the years have taken care of other wide receivers and for juju to reach out. And when he's at USC just trying to get better. He's just trying to enjoy the same thing that we enjoyed when I got into pro football. There were guys might quick Kenny Jackson man, they went out of their way to make sure that I understood that I had the opportunity, and even if it was me taken their role me taking their spot on the team which end up happening in Philadelphia with Kenny Jack. Jason. This is a legacy that we have in the league from the odor players. Tune a younger players been passed down from generation to generation decade to decade into me. I'm embarrassed for Abe. I'm embarrassed at he thought he was actually doing something by putting his DM message up there juju all you know, what it juju got a lot of fans people like man this kid is all right and see man. He he totally exposed juju. Smith Schuster for what he is a really respectful hardworking kids. Are you kidding me? I was napping. When this story happened. I woke up I saw on Twitter that someone said aby releases a juju DM, and I was nervous for juju. Smith schuster. It was going to say I thought it was probably from about a month ago could have been right when right when when he's leaving out the Bill, absolutely, man. I'm so happy for you. I'm stuck here. Right. You get formulation, right? Big Ben without I thought that's what it was going to be and that would have been dirty pool by in Tonio Brown to do. But I figured that's what it was when I saw what he put out there. I thought we did ju ju hack ABC's Instagram to make himself. Look good. I mean, how the other it also speaks to the level of delusion from Antonio Brown that he's now in a place where he thought this would make him look bad. I was saying to general before the show if gin, and I had a falling out. And all the sudden, I leave the show and Jenna puts out I'm gonna show you Nick, right? Really is. And the tweet I sent her five years ago. I think you're great on the today show. I really respect your work. I think and I love your story. Like, no, what are you talking about? I mean, it I don't understand what's happening here. I jokingly said earlier, and Tony was going crazy. This is the these are the acts of crazy guy. Why Kipling let us go. Why can't he move? What is he so obsessed with that? He cannot. Close the book on a chapter that he made all the effort to move on from. I don't have. I don't I don't know what he wants. He got traded. He got the new contract. Like, I don't I don't know what he wants next. Like, Abe men. I'm totally confused. Like, I'm totally confused. Like what his real goals are day to day. You remember the first Super Bowl before the show existed? You and I were at it was in Houston. I think and we were doing some I don't know we were doing something, and we stopped filming for a moment and was walking by and it was right after the Instagram live thing, do you remember this? Oh, right after the Instagram, and you grabbed him I didn't seem like you knew him that. Well, he had a bit of a relationship and you reach out to him. And you said, hey, man, I think you tell me if I'm misquoting the story if you need to talk, we should talk and at that. Because at that moment that was the first thing really outside of the box in Tony Brown had done. He didn't have any of the off the field stuff. He didn't have the blue hair. He didn't have any of the. Relationship issues with teammate, but he had kind of betrayed Mike Tomlin by live streaming that moment, and it seems like since then he is just instead of going down a path of that was stupid. I shouldn't have done it. He just keeps doubling down on the crazy. And and this is mean spirited as well, which I now I think it blows up in his face because juju looks good. But he clearly thought this will make juju look bad by revealing a private conversation, which is in any walk of life, totally out about getting bad advice or no advice in sort of doing this on his own. So now, he takes his behavior he will to Oakland. How do you think? Gruden and the rest of the raiders coaching staff will deal with handle accept this type of behavior from this guy problems. They're gonna have problems, and this is one that this is a me issue. This is Chris issue 'cause I can understand trying to force your way off. For team. I can understand you trying to get more guarantees. But what I don't understand is as an African American aby. I don't know why you wanna tear down Mike Tomlin. Why would you make it's hard as it is for African American get hit coaching jobs. It's hard as it is for the for people to believe that they can control the roster in the locker room. Why would you make life more difficult for him? And then going double down on that and juju Smith Schuster. You're gonna make a young another African American you'll make his life miserable by by putting things out there. Like, I don't understand that. So now what's going to happen the Jon Gruden with? He didn't have no respect for a black man on another black, man. What would he have respect for John group? So for me, I'm disappointing them. I'm disappointing them as NFL wide receiver. I'm disappointed as someone who the NFL has put out there. And he's taken advantage of the NFL brand. And I'm embarrassed as a black man that he would embarrass Mike Tomlin and embarrassed juju juju out there. So it's a Chris thing and. The coach as far as the coaching staff goes Coachman genie makes point all the time. And I think it's a relevant one you speak to your team in multiple ways when you actually speak to them through your actions through your decisions as a coach or GM and Jon Gruden made the decision who's the first Oakland raider to get paid in the Jon Gruden near this guy. Hey, DJ ships away Amari Cooper, who good won't pay him ships way Khalil Mack because it won't play two guys at very that are by all accounts, great teammate out invasion to my daughter kind of reputation. They have great guys and in Tokyo Brown who I mean, you wouldn't let cats it for you at this point. He he's the guy to get paid. And now his skills are undeniable. But he's the guy you go out and trade for when you're trading guys away. He's the guy they Gruden traded from our tavis who wasn't a bad guy, but it made some bad decisions and that blew up in his face trades for a b and the first guy you pay. I just don't know what that says to the other guys in the lottery, basically, what it says I'm gonna pay the guy that works too hard is which AB that's all I've been toned. That's all I tell people. No one works harder. No one works hard. But I didn't know of inch. They're gonna pay the craziest guy in the building. Because that's what they've done in Oakland live at they're coming up. Aaron Rodgers speaking out on his relationship with Mike McCarthy that's next on first. Verse NBA NCWA champ Antoine Walker joins the show. You come back. Yeah. Lots of chat with you about Enron. But the big game last night is where we're going to start the NCW championship game. It was Texas Tech. It was Virginia pick this up late less than twenty seconds to go UVA down three d Andre hundred nailing the three in the corner were tied in overtime now. Buck fifteen left Texas Tech down to David Moretti gets the ball knocked away from him. But after a closer, look it is ruled UVA ball on the replay another close call goes, you the as way Cavaliers would pull away to win eighty five to seventy seven Virginia is your national champion one year after losing to a sixteen seed what a difference a year makes Thuan what do you make of UVA's turnaround from last year to this impressive when you get eliminated as as a once by sixteen. You lose a lot. And that this team has group stuck together and it off America. And you know, we went to a championship. You've got to win. You gotta have a little luck. And they got all looked possible. Obviously saying the three point play in the final four at home, and yes, and then be able to come back from last night and gray game they play by both teams that would be as I was shocked. I was actually super surprised the game. Especially on the first six or seven minutes winning. I was ready to sixty. Turn the TV. And it's out to be one of the great great national championship games. But unbelievable. You gotta give a lot of credit to be able to get back we juvenile and get them back on the saints. Why? And then the place as many close games as you did the come out with the wind. You gotta give them a lot of credits combs, the other part of this is usually if you keep having games go down to the wire in a single nation tournament. One of those games goes against you to do exactly what happened to your one hundred percent, right? Jenna UCF? They get away with it. Von tech. They get away with it. Michigan state. They don't finally roll snake eyes. You're out Virginia was ninety five percent to lose with five seconds left in the elite eight game. They were ninety five percent lose with eight seconds left in the final four game. They were probably around eighty five ninety percent to lose win. De'andre hunter hit that clutch three pointer. That was Texas Tech best evens in the country this year defensive breakdown at the end now up three twelve seconds left. The only thing you can't do is. Collapse off the best player in the game in the corner, leaving wide open claps off anybody for that matter believe him wide open for three. But then. Yeah. Virginia also needed some luck at the end with the call. But they they found a way to persevere and given what happened with them last year. It's to me as heart warming. If I'm be a little corny as any sport story is to come from those depths to those heights in about a three hundred eighty five day span. Also, if you look at how Virginia won a game last night, you look at the numbers, and 'cause basketball, you gotta be believe this just my personal opinion that you gotta make freak does. And you gotta make the three point line is so important they make Levin threes. They go twenty twenty three from the free throw line the game before he makes all three three three. Yep. They did everything possible that you can do games to make sure that they winning those games if you'd like basketball, and this is not pro basketball. But if you like basketball playing defense doing things to right way, shooting basketball, they got some of the greatest. Warm, you know out there on the court. You like seeing this so Virginia being paid off of what happened last year in these young kids in the motion. Nick, you talked about the guy talked about they've struggled with things -iety people in their classes things like that. It's different when you're being paid in you lose because you still you still get paid in college man, you're when you are involved in something like this. You don't know if you ever get back being a one c losing to a sixteen seat first time in the tournament and for them to be able to come back a little more than a year later build hoist that trophy great. And when you're an amateur, and you're now, it's the type of loss where you're at the answer to jeopardy question for ever, you are you are a punchline, you're the anecdotal. Oh, you don't wanna pull up or Jinya like that's now wiped away like gotta find it in different team to throw in there. Because of what they did this year. These kids did a service to last year seniors that didn't get to experience this. Because they validated. The program but much like what happened with them in their prior game with Auburn where instant replay came into play. There's a controversial at the end. Do you think that the the refs caused texts tech cause them chance to win? Listen, I don't I actually don't blame the refs on this at all. I blame the awful system that is instant replay across sports. I ve only been saying this for my entire adult life except for in tennis instant replay does not make things better. It makes things worse. And the idea that that play is off Texas Tech is goes against Cincinati Smith, invented the sport up until four years ago with four K high definition frame by frame that is off Virginia at the park. It's offer Jinya in high school that's offer Jinya in a regular college basketball game. It's off Virginia in the NBA until a few years ago. That's offer Jinya. That's terrible avenue Washington. Though the ball is off his fan. But then we had on me. I did tell me. I don't know what I'm saying. Then we have to change the way we play this. Do I not see the ball in his hand it touches the Indus? And if I were to right now, hold a basketball Antoine were to slap down on it. You know, where it would go off of last the bottom of my pinky. So we if we want to just change the way sports are played to adjust for super slow motion high definition cameras fine. But I'm not into that. That is every everywhere you play basketball. That's tech bowl. And everyone knows that's grew. Agree with you to a certain degree. But I like getting the right especially the game. Like this. You want to get it. Right. And they got it. Right. It's unfortunate for Texas Tech. But that's not what lost Texas Tech the game. Still is a minute fifty six they had a chance to get a stop offensively. I feel like the shot at the regulation. He'll soon green. Why? And also on the other end. Why are you let them shoot at three? Why didn't you foul? My aunt you put them at the line. You could put him at the line between fifteen and ten seconds to go in the game. And why you leave your guy in the corner. Leave open to your up three. So. The refs always play a part in the game. They're a part of the game. And sometimes you have to get around the refs. But for me, I'm about getting it. Right. Whatever technology we have unwilling to live with that. Because I know the ball bounces both wins. And I know there's thousands of other opportunities during the game that if you make a plight it, it wouldn't come down to get it all the way, right? When you go to replay. And you see the kid gets fouled right before the ball's knocked out of his hands retroactively, call the foul if it's about getting it, right? Then get it all the way lava grid everything. Okay. A lot of times in a situation like that. When the defenders coming from behind if he reaches for the ball or reaches for you. If you can continue dribbling, the ref won't call it if you lose your dribble, then they might call it because it did affect you. But in that, I could understand why he didn't call foul. Of course, meet with the contact. They were allowing in this game leading up to. I didn't expect him to call that will find either. And I totally support that. But what we see in basketball, the time is anti you know, this because you played before replay was a big part of it. If you're going I shot specially late in games, and you might have gotten fouled and the ball goes out of bounds. What's the referees? Typically, call if he's not gonna call foul give you the Bob you keep the ball kickable. What do we see now with replay? Oh, we got to see off they go to replay. They see you got hammered, but they can't fix that. But because you got hammered the ball went off you is that getting it. Right. That is not getting it. Right. You can't let me ask you this e would you be okay with this adjustment to replay since it's there to fix a grievous mistakes. You can go to replay. But you can only watch it in full speed. So if it's there to fix a grievous mistakes bad mistakes that should have been obvious. I don't want to utilize technology and not utilize it to its fullest the reason why I'm watching replay is because I get the -bility to build a slow it down frame by frame because we know that humans in real time. They can't see it. That's why we've. Assisted the referees with replace so no if you're gonna use replay, let's use it for what it's worth frame by frame. That's what makes the difference. And that's what right replays there for understand both sides. It's tough. But I do like the fact of getting it, right? So we gotta get it. Right. Then just take that test. And I want to get it. Right. But they didn't get it. Right. That's not take away from this entire tournament. Games of the tournament. And they they probably would have won. Anyway, by the way, they they would've had the lead would have been tech bowl. But that's ridiculous. Now, I understand Antoine. We'll see a little bit later. Around. Just can't stay off social media. That's next person. Delaying like you. I didn't hear anything I run to push the. Background westbrook. What are you laughing at this delightful show? I I'm delighted with the people I worked with Bryan. In a gorgeous suits him. Brian really, really good. Readies back from a little three day week any might import a little hot stuff and coffee. Here. We go. Oh, let's talk in Tony over he jabbed this former teammate juju with Schuster over the weekend. The two went back and forth over Twitter. AB wasn't done. Apparently last night sending out of screen shot of DM that juju sent him on Instagram from jujubes college days it read what's up baby. I'm receiver at the university of southern California. I appreciate all your work. Your great man on an off the field. You have any tips that can help take my game to the next level. Thanks man with the caption onto the next from Brown. Brian. What do you make of this? Clearly, it's not even close to being done. I think it's an unfortunate situation in and see. So, you know, the NFL is about brotherhood, right? And I remember being a guy just like juju. I remember my second year in the league caught him Brian Mitchell. Like you'll bro teach me how to punt return teaching the technique him to thought process teach me how to do this thing the right way. We're on the same team we weren't team rookie year, and guess what? I took his spot. And so he had all reasons to say, you know, I'm not teaching dog won't thing. I'm not greatest returns, we should be a hall of Famer. Yes like ever. So I just want Kim. We want to say team. And then he went to our rival. So now he's playing for the giants. I'm still playing with the eagles. And I teach me how to be returning. He took time in his off season away from his family away from golfing. His radio shows to say, okay, I'm going to teach you how to be returned came out into the field spent hours explaining things to me showing me how to to be a better return better player that didn't really include all the things he showed me off the field as a rookie kind of play. It for it. A little bit Leshan mcquaid comes to me his rookie. I'm a veteran at this point. And he says teach me how to be a better player. I do everything I can to make him the better player. He's certainly a hall of fame candidate after his career over is over over twelve thousand rushing yards. He's been impressive. It's a brotherhood is about giving back. It's about Chris Carter, helping Randy moss. It's about an opportunity to pay for just a bit. And I think Tony Brown missed it. He missed it. The bigger thing. I think is a generation of kids these days that are using social media to communicate one to one. If I got a problem with Chris Carter guess when I'm going to do I'm going to pick up the phone and say, Chris you absolutely wrong. You said this this is how about this is what you made me think young made me feel and Chris is going to say, whatever he has to say, we'll have that conversation. As to men, I'm not going to send a message on Twitter or exactly social from old l Beck. That's it. Exactly. The phone can simple as that respect the more for that. Well, you guys agreed or not. And I think Antonio Brown certainly could've took a different way. And could approach it a different way. Because this is a young guy as the mess read from years ago appreciated him. Appreciate what he's brought to the game and respected him wanted to learn from him. I think he should have handled. It totally different that the other aspect of everything you're saying is well taken one hundred correct. But the other aspect of this is ABC may juju look good. And it shows in advertently inadvertently is the keywords. And I'm glad you said that because it shows what a warped perspective of the world and Tonio currently has that he thought, oh, I'm going to checkmate him in this Twitter battle were having. I'm going to expose him. As folks would say expose them as what a hard working good young kid that when he was eighteen years old because Judy was super young when he came to league. Remember he was the youngest player in the league. So in twenty days eighteen years old at USC, man. I wanna get better. So I'm gonna he didn't know he's going to be Antonio's teammate didn't relations. With him. All this did was make me a bigger fan of ju ju ju is he's not polarizing, but he's a little he's a little out there with some of his own. I don't want to say antics, but he puts himself out there a lot. He likes spotlight some people like that some people don't this made me like juju more and to me, it's a window into in. Tony was mindset that he thought this would make to look at to whom would this make juju look bad. Like what circles would look this meal? Juju such a sucker. Looking at me always been who that that is embarrassing to whom this is what I do know. And I'm glad you tell the story about Brian Mitchell because I know this game that people love if we don't have that institution of brotherhood in that locker room because the players NFL they have nothing else around them. They can trust the coaching staff. You can't trust them thing. Get to know as men they're not going to do. What's best for us on? On and off the field. No you can't trust the organization soon as you have a bad season. You're going to get cut. There is no trust between the players NFL office Park Avenue. There's a little bit of trust between the players in the players association. So you know, what the players trust twenty years old, and you come that locker room you're going to trust him veteran plate Jake Reed. People talk about Randy moss. I let Randy moss. Tell the Randy moss story because he seems a different version noon. What really really happened there? Jake reed. The Minnesota Vikings high draft pick from gramling the Vikings were getting ready give up on him. He had fractured his hip. He had had another injury on his back. They were getting ready to give up on them. Jake could not catch the football. I said Jake man, they check your eyes. He said, no nothing. Wrong eyesight. Jake took my vice wind got his eyesight checked found out. He had to go to a doctor and Seattle yet deficiency. He could not see the ball come in. Adam. He had a problem in the strengthening. Some little things in the back of his eye. Man. He went through a whole off season. And then Jake green Chris Carter win thousand thousand thousand foot four times in a row NFL record. But Jake, we he didn't have me. There is a brother the Vikings, man. He man he was so upset the Vikings had no confidence in them the coach Steph had no confidence in them. But me, I saw it man. This guy was having a problem with his men Bill received the football, and I trusted in Jake Jake was a hard worker, man. He was tough, man. He was mean Jacob I knew he could be a pro. And because of that he ended up having a long career cleaned up making a lot of money. And the man I'm telling there are thousands and thousands of stories of veteran players taking guys under their wing. And that's why we have the league. That's why we getting ready to celebrate one hundred years it's not because the football of the institution of it. The play calling the coaches Park Avenue to players sociation. Is because brother the brother we know that we can count on each other. And it's the only thing that the players can count and see it's not even just within same position group. You tweeted out this weekend. Somebody tweeted something about Reggie White. The late great Reggie White nutrient tweeted, I miss my friend. I know from your time and your stories in Philly that Reggie who was already one of the all time greats tried to help you out as best as he could take you under his wing to a degree kept that relationship going, even once you went to Minnesota like that is there are you mentioned your stories with Shawn McCoy, I'm certain because you were very specific type of player, right? Like, you're not the prototype. Running back that there have been guys that have come out of college with your similar dimensions with your similar skill set. That man who am I gonna look to to how I can make it in this league. Brian Westbrook guys that they're not paying you there. There's no coaching that you're getting actually financially rewarded four. But there is the satisfaction of you are helping continue the legacy of. NFL players one of the things I was as I'm reading this. I'm saying what's going on with Antonio Brown. And I believe as a six round pick. He's always played with the how he got to be one of the best receivers in the game is playing with ED's gift. I'm thinking that. He's trying to find the as you can't you can't question. His skill set. We all know that he's one of the best in the game work after work. You can't question that anymore. Now, he's trying to refine the edge. I just hope that he understands this isn't the way to do it attacking another brother like you mentioned earlier isn't the way to do it. We don't have to go there. We don't have to act that way, we could take it to a different level. We could take it to a point uplift. Each other. Just because Judy was good or or lease increase in skill set. Doesn't mean people think less Antonio Brown. Both of you guys can be very very good at your crap. And you don't have to tear each other down just to prove that you're better than the other person doesn't have to happen. Thank you for listening to the first things first podcast. Remember leaves review and tell us what you think subscribe to the podcast on apple podcasts and catch us on Monday through Friday, six thirty AM Easter for Chris Carter, Nick, right, Geno, wolf so long. Everybody.

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Full Show - National Championship TT/Virginia, Aaron Rodgers, AB/JuJu, Dak contract

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Full Show - National Championship TT/Virginia, Aaron Rodgers, AB/JuJu, Dak contract

"Good morning everyone. And welcome to first things first, I'm general that is the hall of fame Chris martyr that is Nick rights. Get working is you do your thing. You do you dance in before the show, man. A lot going on now. How? Say more. But now they've been slapped on the desk now officially organized great show for you this morning. Aaron Rodgers finally responded to the drama in Green Bay Antonio Brown somehow, someway, made things even stranger between he and juju. But the reason we are a little bit tired this morning only one place to start the show the game late last night. The NCWA championship game Texas Tech taking on Virginia start with less than twenty seconds to go UVA down three Deandra hunter, the three in the corner to tie in overtime. Buck. Fifteen left Texas down by two David Moretti gets the ball knocked away from him. But after a closer look it's ruled UVA ball on the replay another close. Call goes UVA's way. Cavs would pull away to win eighty five to seventy seven last night. Virginia is your national champion one year after losing to a sixteen seed, see we'll start with you. What a difference a year makes for this team this school. What do you make of you turn around? Well, I think that the turnaround is probably the story of the tournament and not only the turn around the university. But the turnaround of the head coach because if you look at the lack of success given the regular season success ACC tournament success being one of the elite team we've had in college basketball last several years. They haven't gotten paid out in the tournament. They haven't showed that in last year coming off the worst upset that we've ever seen losing to a sixteen seat where this year where they they didn't win ACC tournament. They didn't have to be at number one see but the tournament to me it looked like they didn't hold that against them. They judged on what the resume was gave them. What was justified to be a first seed, and they showed up this year. And they won the type of games that as a national champion. You're going to have to get a little luck on your side. You have to win a game where the team actually outplays you potentially that that Purdue game. And the the coach because I believe that we might have a mere situation here talking about because you look at Virginia man what other team have we seen like this? Is this Villanova before Jay right when Jay right? Couldn't get over the big game. Because we know coach is he's got that one championship has had a multitude of other appearances. But you know, is Tony Bennett now going to be one of the upper echelon because in the coaching profession people, really respect them. But when you keep coming up short the way Clemson used to do in football. I mean, but now the after a year later, I mean, great win for them very very tight game. And of course, you're going to have a call or two at the end that people are going to question. Listen, this is we'll get to the replace stuff later. This is an all time, great sports story and all time great sports story to go from the worst loss in the history of your sport to a championship with so many of the same key players. Kyle guy the hero of the final. Four-game in the final four most outstanding player talking about having anxiety attacks and dealing with mental mental mental health issues. If you will after the loss the team needing a police escort after they lose the UNBC because of death threats to them to come back a year later and win the championship and win the championship this way, the last three games they played this cumulative score at the interbred relation to one hundred and one Virginia two hundred there three plants and the last three games they played in all three games. They were a ten to one or greater underdog in the waning moments. What what are the odds you win a game? When you're down to the ball is tapped into your own back court with five seconds left. Yes. Five percent. Three percent. Two percent. What are the odds? You win a game. When you're down four with eight seconds left. As was the case against over. What are the chances? You win the game where they had the best. Chance was this one. They were only down three, and they had a whole fourteen seconds to play with it was it would have been an amazing championship story if last year hadn't happened just this run of the elite vinyl four championship game the way they played. But the fact that it comes on the heels of a game that in the game people were saying smart people were saying this Virginia team can never win a title. Tony Bennett system can never win a title that they maybe should consider moving on from him. Because you have these great regular seasons and inflame out in the tournament. Those questions are now gone forever. It validates the entire program and his very unique that he got from his dad university of Wisconsin that style of play say about the athletes who were able to come back after last year start from scratch and to not have an easy route to the championship game to have to be in until the very end where three to five percent chance and eve. But staying in each game all three games, especially at the very end here to win it all the mental nasty of so many things you're able to learn in athlete being pushed, mentally and physically. Those are the things that you're trying to express Jimmy. Yes. That's what you want to see great story as you mentioned, not only just the university, not only coach. But these kids these are not professionals. We won't critique them the same way. But man their ability to Bill to face defeat. It's just like live face defeat and built man. Can I get another chance, and they got that chance and was able to take take advantage of you talk about the nature of how close these gains were to overtime games one against Purdue who Purdue could be the national champ and this game in those games Jena eighteen for eighteen from the free throw line. So when it mattered most these kids, you talk about anxiety inside of these real in sports, people regular life think all these guys. They don't get nervous. Like that. Hell if they don't so them to be able to perform under that pressure. When we were filling out the brackets, everyone when you look at your bracket. No one had forgotten. What Virginia did last year and they were down fourteen to sixteen seed in this year's tournament. Yes. Like, they it's not as if this was a team they clearly had the cobwebs of that loss. Still hanging on them when this tournament started. Now they were able to rally they were able to handle their first round game. And then have some escapes. I hate that. It was marred at the end by not a bad call. But by what I consider a terrible rule, but Virginia is a deserving champion Texas equity been deserving champion too. By the way, like the Texas Tech did everything you could've asked them to do and Virginia just gets the win. And it's fitting given how last year ended and we'll talk much more about the call. You were referring to coming up. Whether it did cost, Texas Tech. The game. But we'll take a break on the other side. Aaron Rodgers calls reports about his relationship with Mike McCarthy a smear campaign. That's next on first one. You can always check us out on the Fox Sports channel on series six. We're back right after this. Well, the back. We'll talk Aaron Rodgers and the second foot, I some baseball raining MVP Christian yelich shits deep two time MVP, Mike trout Robson at the whole MVP on 'em VP crime one of my favorite like this could be planning NFL, man. He's got a body size power speed position playing in the NFL running back man, we gotta give it to him. Great white hope man, we bring it back. We. You know, you can say that. I like it. I was opening say corner, we really give some folks. No, no. Sorry. Go ahead Chelsea west hand Eden hood split in two sets defenders before nailing a nice goal right here going crazy. And so whole man this game was on. They love their soccer there. I was like man what's going on. I had to come over. And check it out. That was the play look at that. Nice. Finally. Oh, okay. Animal trainer. Rene Casoli, getting assists from an elephant. That's incredible. I'm sorry. Dangerous due at is incredible. Of course is incredible. This is this guy is go end up like grizzly, man. What are you doing mazing? Mandat love watching that too. But that is that's on. I feel uncomfortable Dumbo over the weekend. You should take your daughter. My daughter actually went to double my older daughter went double. But that that's an that's animatronic. That's a real live Elvin the crush your skull. That scares me onto the reported feud. We the people doing that never yet. Oh, yeah. Dimmer type of great right hope between Aaron Rodgers and former head coach Mike McCarthy detailed report came out Friday describing the ups and downs of their relationship posing both in relatively negative light. Now Rogers finally spoke out about the report said that while he and McCarthy had their share of everyday issues like any other coach in quarterback heated put much stock into this report. Take a listen. The thing is about this article. It's not a mystery. This was a smear attack by you know, a writer look into advances career talking with mostly irrelevant bitter players who all have an agenda whether they're advancing their own careers or just trying to stir old stuff up. And then what happens is the same tired media, folks, picking it up and talking about it, this just emphasizes their opinion about me already part of the the article seems to to want to say, you know, the Packers a worried about me as Lear the football team moving forward, and before I get into what actually happened on the conversation, Mark, I'm gonna say two things one. If they knew that while they offer me a contract last year, and to which goes into my the second central thesis point that I'm going to, you know, take down his if I really dislike Mike that much. Why would I resign? Knowing if I play well, and we do what we do around here. We might play eight straight years, then I got hurt. We miss bliss. It's gonna be me and Mike my career. So if I really disliked him that much got re-sign, am, I really that is the money that important to me. I'll tell you. It's not like it's just two alpha males were hyper competitive and love winning and are both a little stubborn. A lot of meat on the bone here. Nick, what was your action or so I I listen to this entire interview. And so and we're gonna play other pieces of throughout the show. I understand a lot of what I earned saying. And I agree with a fair amount of what he's saying that part right there. I do not agree with at all where he says. Why would I resign here? If I didn't like the head coach because you have no choice because the NFL you're never going to be a real free agent. Aaron Rodgers would never hit true for agency. That's a legitimate thing to say in basketball or baseball. If I don't like it here. Why would I resigned? They don't franchise question to dinner Rogers play this whole season. What? Yeah, he played this entire season. You got ding the first game, but he played those and what happened to shoot Lashari got hurt. Oh, the reason why you mind sign is last two years you last two years you've dealt with injury played every game, but was dealing with injury. And the previous year he missed a large part of the season. Like that part. I do not I think he was trying to put it very happy face on what turned into a rut. Relationship with the head coach, I think that's clear, but I will also give him credit because this article while it went hearted Aaron Rodgers it crushed Mike McCarthy and very Rogers took a different tack in this interview, which is confirmed some of the Mike McCarthy stuff, it could really hurt McCarthy's future employment, and it could really hurt Mike McCarthy standing in the league. So he he propped up the coach whatever their issues were. And I understand Rogers frustration that our friend, Greg Jennings. When asked about his thoughts on Aaron Rodgers gives his honest opinion. And I'm sure that frustrates Aaron and your Michael Finley. When asked about his thoughts on Rogers, gives his honest opinion where his main point of frustration. I think was from the when he's says allude to the Mark Murphy stuff like anonymous sources that are supposedly current teammates. And he says in that interview. He's like it's the same to current anonymous teammates. And I don't know if he knows who they are or has a feeling who they are. But they weren't just talking to former teammates they were talking to current teammates. But in. General see where I will defend Aaron is. I think we have I think we do the so often whether it's evaluating Russell Westbrook. Whether it's discussing how good a player is. Or isn't we go from overprotecting guy to picking every single piece of the guy apart? And I think Aaron Rodgers Brown this here. Sure. And I think I think Aaron Rodgers was a guy that for a long time when the Packers won it was because he was great when they lost. It was everyone else's fault. And over the last eighteen months people have started to say how much of this is on Aaron Rodgers that parts fair. And then some people started to say, you know, what all of its on Aaron Rodgers. And that part to me is ridiculous. So I understand his frustration. But I don't think tied done of Bleacher report made this article out of whole cloth. I think tied done developed sources and whether or not those sources misled him on some points that I can't speak to. But I don't think the article was written falsely. I think the articles written with what the reporter was told from the report. Neither Aaron or McCarthy. Look good, correct? Now, Erin is trying to Erin has responded to other reports not quite as in depth as this one Bleacher report they're released, but he's he's responded to other stuff in the past. So he here's what's being said about some of those things are true. Some of those things aren't true as a talented player when you have not had playoff success, and we have seen in era where he's been here. Allies one to sue both twice as many as him bins been to three all right onto one to like all these other quarterbacks that aren't nearly as good they got more suppo trophies than Aaron has. So he's gonna be criticized even if he was a great teammate. Russell Wilson's been the two one one why hadn't Aaron Rodgers been back to the Super Bowl McCarthy. And Aaron Rodgers have been part of the problem the front office. They didn't suppo-. Them their defense was atrocious. Why don't they have some type of running game? Why Aaron open to new innovative ideas offensively both? They're all guilty of all those things organizations. Guilty not supporting them. So you have seen it. That's why people lost their job. That's why the head coach lost his job. But for them not to reach their potential Aaron has to take some of that blame. Now does no way Aaron ride is going to speak out and take all that. Because that article man that article was brutal. It made him look worse than people had thought. And I can understand errands saying all the people who don't like me. This only helps them out. No, I read it independently. I have a lot of Aaron Rodgers information talked to people who've played with them talk to people in the organization. So this was I looked at it independent of everything else. And I didn't believe everything to be true. But I know Aaron Rodgers at this point if he's not making some type of adjustments in what type of teammates he's going to be how much football he wants to learn. Learn the different how he wants to play football to close out his career. He's not going to another Super Bowl. So for me. He's the most talented quarterback that we have. I don't believe that the scrutiny that he's is unjustified. I mean, he is often a special place in Green Bay. And I believe that the NFL and being in Green Bay has helped protect and Rogers how much of everything that came out. And what we're now learning and generally where there's smoke. There's fire some of these stories and his reputation we've heard for years, it's not that. This is the first time we're hearing it. How does affect what he's going to have to do when he walks into the locker room this year with a new head coach and team that's going to be looking both for as a leader. And to get them back to where they once were. I think that there's always similar to remember the course of one story and the cards short that he needed to people like Nick foles more that wins was aloof and approachable exactly that you said at the moment, whether it was true or not all the details. Carson could take some nuggets from and say I need to improve at least slightly my relationships with teammates. That's the part that for me Aaron Rodgers should take to heart. He is at relationship problems. I think throughout his football career at the very least we can say that. And even if he thinks this was a hit piece, what do you call smear? It's at e-, even if it was that there, even if it's just to anonymous teammates that feel that way try to make zero try to see what you can do to adjust because you're play on the field is almost on impeachable. Like, nobody criticizes you for what you do on the field or very little in comparison to your contemporaries at the position. So see how you can do it. When you have a first time head coach when you have a fresh start and win. There's not Mike McCarthy as a fall guy there anymore to lay the blame on if the Packers have disappointing. Sees one thing that I can verify from the report everything to Greg Jennings. Said is true, Greg. I've had long long relationship long before he came to work here long before he signed a nice free agent deal with the Minnesota Vikings him and. Had an association long before that. And both of those relationships I felt like I played a key role here at FOX and getting him here. We had a list of people who we wanted and vowed for Greg Jennings. As far as credibility who the man is what type of football player, how hard he worked and studied in everything. Minnesota sign into a big deal, I vouch for Greg Jennings there. So Greg Jennings is not one of those people this trying to elevate his career. He's not trying to sensationalize stories. Greg Jennings is only telling us a more. So of what really went on that? I was going to I Greg. I think has actually whether and feels like this or not I think Greg would be I don't want to say he's hurt his broadcast and curb Greg could've Greg could be in the headlines a lot more with how often we talk about Aaron Rodgers. And how many things he won't say on television. Absolutely. And it should be noted. And I'm not saying this because we know Greg Aaron confirmed Greg's story about the niner's thing about that the that Greg said during a game when it was walkie or that Aaron said to play on the other team, Carlos Rogers. I think he said it was you guys should come get Greg in the off season. Aaron in that interview yesterday admitted he said that now he said he was joking that he thought Greg took it the wrong way. But it wasn't at no point. Did he could have said there that was false go ask the player. He confirmed that part of it. Greg's not in the business of making stuff up, and he he did sign a very nice region contract Vikings. I'd only Greg necessarily needs to be doing broadcasting. I think he enjoys doing broadcasting and he's not trying to hurt relationships by doing it. He's just giving his honest opinion, which is actually still somewhat protecting Aaron at time. The other part of this is going to be now the relationship between Aaron Rodgers and new head coach Matt leflore moving forward. And we're gonna talk about that coming up a little bit late. On the other side Antonio ground to get another shot at juju Smith, Schuster AT here. This one person. This weekend. We're under the lights out Bush looks for his third consecutive win at Richmond raceway. It all starts at seven thirty eastern Saturday on FOX and being Fox Sports at it is time for us to go viral Cleveland Browns fans or writing a high this off seasons. The team is hoping they can make their first playoff appearance. Two thousand two Baker Mayfield gay fans off season update. Take a listen to this. That guys just really excited for the season just want you guys know that I'm working really hard. We're going to have a great season. Let's go Browns. What made him decide? Do the old nine year old helium voice, send it out of the masses? You gotta have some fun. You gotta have some fun. I know column probably hates this love. More. Baker mayfield. More Baker Mayfield every single day, man. He's a different type of quarterback. I always liked this type of stuff this is a little goofy even for my taste. But I don't think anything really should follow his Instagram account. He honestly does something like this. It's least once a day. Then of course, I spent the whole video watching to see what it was going to blow up to I know deal. We were going that route of helium to which I said don't take him out just doing that. I thought it was blowing up a balloon. It was going to say something I watched the whole thing. I didn't. But after you saw him take into helium, then you're supposed to say some. We're going to do is move on out congenial. Confused, twelve second on your video. Our Instagram for these rain teasers? Okay. Photoshop squirrel time for stores to start your morning here national champion, they outlasted Texas Tech last night, eighty five to seventy seven in overtime, Nick. What was your reaction to the win? One of the greatest redemption stories in the history of sports marred slightly by terrible application of the worst rule in sports instant replay in basketball, but for Tony Bennett and those kids to come back from the depths. I thought the Spurs coming back from the Ray Allen shot to win a title the next year was as good as it gets. This is that times ten loses. Sixteenth seed and then win the tournament with three straight games. Could a lost spectacular story for a program that was due. But we didn't know if it ever get there. It's hard to imagine you VA this first national championship. I appeal Kirsch national championship all the players that have gone school. They're all the teams that they've had congratulations. So them to them. They were able to endure to overtime games in this street that they went to in the congratulations tremendous tremendous win. Ralph Samson got to watch in person three time player of the year. Never got never got got a great Ralph Sam story. Okay. That sounds like it's off the air. Given the smile on your face off the shock to the Dallas Cowboys now after extending DeMarcus Lawrence to a long term deal debt Prescott could be next. And while he wants to quote, get paid Steven Jones said his fourth year quarterbacks contract will have to be quote team friendly. See what do you expect in these negotiations hoped that is smart, and he is shown in the short career that to Bill make good decisions him wearing that star on his helmet. And being a Dallas cowboy quarterback ten twelve years. He's gonna make a lot of money on in off the field. I hope he understands the opportunity Amari Cooper. I got an offense of line in front of me Zeke Elliott needs to be signed man, we need some cat room. Look at. Tom Brady, don't give them the Tom Brady deal. But be smart. And to me deck also is incentivized to get this deal done before he plays again. Because there there's no guarantee that Dak taking the field again raises. His value increases his leverage. He's been a very up and down player in his career. So yeah, I think team friendly deal is a fair deal given his level of play enough to put a fence around your house man to keep them. Wow. Dogs from biting do that get enough for that? Yeah. And the settlement you're about to have to pay because of those dogs bite and people that's wild, man. All right. Finally in a survey conducted by the athletic, current NBA players were asked who the MVP was forty four percent selected James harden wa- thirty nine percent had Jaanus as MVP or the players right picking hard and over Jaanus. I think is going to surprise a lot of people. I answer I've waited on this. I said I wanted to because of how close it was. I wanted to get as much as possible now got a game or two left of the players. Right. I think j. Hard and should be the MVP this year. Wow. John was my preseason pick. Because I don't have a vote on allowed to gamble on it. I bet on Janas preseason. And I think Janas probably will win. But James harden should win the MVP and see you, and I have talked about how people we were watching a documentary where psychologists that people remember stories more than numbers? And so I could inundate you the numbers supporting James Harden's case the scoring the advanced metrics the historical significance of thirty six points per game. But instead just imagine this scenario imagine any of the other superstars in this league. Whether it's LeBron Kevin Durant. Joel Embiid Anthony Davis averaged thirty six points game aren't on an injury riddled team that is going to be the two or three seed in the west would it even be a debate. What would we eat no matter that hey Janas team's going to win six or? Seven more games. And he's a better defensive player. If it were anyone other than harden having this season, wouldn't he be the runaway favourite, and I don't and I do think it's close. And I do think there's a good argument for Jaanus, but Janas is the heavy Vegas favorite. And I think people were surprised the players picked harden. I don't think another player in the league could have done for the rockets James harden did this year to win total is now not even that different. The rockets might end up the two seat in the west. And I just can't get over the volume scoring and him taking the rockets from fourteenth in the west through Chris Paul and Clint Capellas injury to where they are right now. I'll use your example, because there's a lot of times, and it's very rare. But there are a number of times that you are able to see two performances in both of these guys are deserving, but we typically do is to try to make our case for whoever we think we tear the other person down. So as Nick's case was. Who could score like this in the league? And they wouldn't be MVP. Well, who could have Janas numbers wouldn't be MVP because Janas says well deserving if you look at the offense of in the defensive end if you look at the team people say, oh, I'm into team. I'm into win will all those things Janas has a compass. The person that's grown their game. Jaanus he would be able to answer to that question. So I can make a case for both of these guys tremendous years tremendous years, the one thing I can say about harden is that harden has been in Janas position before and didn't win in DP. So now do they make up for one of those years? When harden got robbed a being MVP? And typically when you're in 'em VP conversation you have to be in two previous year. And then that next year if you're able to follow up on it, then they're able to give it to you. But both of these guys to Mendes seasons in themselves. I'm not gonna tear down either one the voters will get it. Right. Because you can't get this one wrong. And I also want. To understand like, the the precedent of if you are scoring at this clip and your team's good every single guy who have done it post wilt has won the MVP that you're except for Jordan a few times Jordan because Jordan one psalm and then they gave Barkley won the Jordan brothers to one. There was some Jordan fatigue. But we Bob macadear when nineteen seventy five thirty two plus points per game on a really good team MVP. Kevin Durant a few years ago everybody that has been thirty two plus points on a really good team has won MVP every time they've done it except for Jordan who got there actually three times. He could have won the MVP when he hit those thresholds and just didn't get it. Because people in the beginning, they didn't know if his team would have playoffs his success in the end, they got sick and giving him, but the players voted for harden or would vote for harden over Jaanus. No, I think the players because they've seen hard. They know how hard he's worked. How much he's grown his game. He's done it last five years. I mean, he has been. When they're in these conversations. So no, I can understand the players respect the how long he's probably done it compared to John really jumping on the scene. The last two years and the other interesting part of this players pulled by the Atlantic. We're about a quarter of the league was polled. One of the most underrated players, according to the players was Chris Middleton and Britain. That's Janas Tannock. So I bring that up in the context of I think the players maybe more than the general public think Janas has a better supporting cast than he's given credit for with blood. So in Middleton to coach this situation, they have their and recognized that Hardin had. No, Chris Poland. No Clint Capella for a long stretch. Again. I want the only wrong answer to me is it's not close. It is very close. But I think and Julian be for the second straight year. Let's dive into the NFL here Antonio Brown. He jabbed with his former teammate huger Smith Schuster over the weekend. The two went back and forth over Twitter. AB wasn't done. Apparently last night sending out a screen shot of a direct. Message juju sent him on Instagram from juju college days, it said what's up baby? I'm receiver at the university of southern California. I appreciate all your work your great man on and off the field. You have any tips that can help take my game to the next level. Thanks man with the caption onto the Knicks from Brown. I see what what do you make of this? If you're young receiver. Don't don't stop don't don't stop DM. If I took you through my DM's as far as kids if I've encountered since we've had Twitter in the things that I've been to listen to them about their issue. Should they stay in college where should they train which should they do next? Like, this is one of the things about AB that upset me more because I know the legacy, and I I know why receivers throughout the years have taken care of other wide receivers and for juju to reach out. And when he's at USC just trying to get better. He's just trying to enjoy the same thing that we enjoyed when I got into pro football. There were guys might quick Kenny Jackson, man, they went out of their way to make sure that I understood that I had the opportunity, and even if it was me taking the role me taking their spot on the team which end up happening in Philadelphia with Kenny Jack. Jason. This is a legacy that we have in the league from the older players to the younger players been passed down from generation the generation decade to decade into me. I'm embarrassed AB. I'm embarrassed at he thought he was actually doing something by putting his DM message up there juju all do. You know, what it juju got a lot of fans people like man this kid is all right and see man. He he totally exposed juju. Smith Schuster for what he is a really respectful hardworking kid. Are you kidding me? I was napping. When this story happened. I woke up I saw on Twitter that someone had said aby releases juju DM, and I was nervous for juju. Smith schuster. Yes. Because I was gonna say I thought it was probably from about a month ago or could have been right when right when when he's leaving out the Bill, absolutely, man. I'm so happy for you minute. I'm stuck here. Right. You get for Asian, right? Big Ben without I thought that's what it was going to be and that would have been dirty pool by Tonio Brown to do. But I figured that's what it was when I saw what he put out there. I thought we did ju ju hack ABC's Instagram to make himself. Look good. I mean, how what the other it also speaks to the level of delusion from Antonio Brown that he's now in a place where he thought this would make him look bad. I was saying into general before the show if gin, and I had a falling out. And all the sudden, I leave the show and Jenna puts out I'm gonna show you Nick, right? Really is. And the tweet I sent her five years ago. I think you're great on the today show. I really respect your work. I think and I love your story. Like, no, what are you talking about? I mean, it doesn't it? I don't understand what's happening here. I jokingly said earlier, and Tony was going crazy. This is the these are the acts of crazy guy. Why Kipling let this go? Why can't he move? What what is he so obsessed with that? He cannot. Close the book on a chapter that he made all the effort to move on from. I don't have a clue I don't I don't know what he wants. He got traded. He got the new contract. Like, I don't I don't know what he wants next. Like, abe. I'm totally confused. Like, I'm totally confused. Like what his real goals are day to day. You remember the first Super Bowl before this show existed? You and I were at it was in Houston. I think and we were doing some I don't know we were doing something, and we stopped filming for a moment and was walking by and it was right after the Instagram live thing, do you remember this? Oh, right after the Instagram, and you grabbed him I because they didn't seem like you knew him that. Well, he had a bit of a relationship and you reach out to him. And you said, hey, man, I think you tell me if I'm misquoting the story if you need to talk, we should talk and at that. Because at that moment that was the first thing really outside of the box in Tony Brown had done. He didn't have any of the off the field stuff. He didn't have the blue hair. He didn't have any of the. Relationship issues with teammates, but he had kind of betrayed Mike Tomlin buy. Yes. Live streaming that moment, and it seems like since then he is just instead of going down a path of that was stupid. I shouldn't have done it. He just keeps doubling down on the crazy. And and this is mean spirited as well, which I now I think it blows up in his face because juju looks good. But he clearly thought this will make juju look bad by revealing a private conversation, which is in any walk of life, totally out about getting bad advice or no advice in sort of doing this on his own. So now, he takes his behavior he will to Oakland. How do you think? Gruden and the rest of the raiders coaching staff will deal with handle accept this type of behavior from this guy problems. They're gonna have problems, and this is one of this. This is a me issue. This is Chris issue because I can understand trying to force your way off. For team. I can understand you trying to get more guarantees. But what I don't understand is as an African American aby. I don't know why you wanna tear down Mike Tomlin. Why would you make it's hard as it is for African Americans. Get hit coaching jobs. It's hard as it is for the for people to believe that they can control the roster in the locker room. Why would you make life more difficult for him? And then you're going double down on that in juju. Smith schuster. You're gonna make a young another African American you'll make his life miserable by by putting things out there. Like, I don't understand that. So now what's going to happen the Jon Gruden with? He didn't have no respect for a black man at another black, man. What would he have respect for John group? So for me, I'm disappointing them. I'm disappointing them as NFL wide receiver. I'm disappointed him as someone who the NFL has put out there. And he's taken advantage of the NFL brand. And I'm in barest as a black man that he would embarrass Mike Tomlin and embarrassed juju juju out there. So it's a Chris thing and. The coats as far as the coaching staff goes coach me makes mixes point all the time. And I think it's a relevant one you speak to your team in multiple ways when you actually speak to them through your actions through your decisions as a coach or GM and Jon Gruden made the decision who's the first Oakland raider to get paid in the Jon Gruden near this guy. Hey, DJ ships away Amari Cooper who good won't pay him ships way Khalil Mack because it won't play two guys at very that are by all accounts. Great teammate out in victim to my daughter kind of reputation. They have great guys and in Tonio Brown who I mean, you wouldn't let cats it for you at this point. He he's the guy to get paid. And now his skills are undeniable. But he's the guy you out and trade for when you're trading guys away. He's the guy they Gruden traded from our tavis who wasn't a bad guy, but it made some bad decisions and that blew up in his face trades for a b and the first guy you pay. I just don't know what that says to the other guys in the lottery, basically, what it says I'm gonna pay the guy that works too hard is which AB that's all I've been tone. That's all I tell people. No one works harder. No one works hard. But I didn't know of inch gonna pay the craziest guy in the building. Because that's what they've done in Oakland live at they're coming up. Aaron Rodgers speaking out on his relationship with Mike McCarthy that's next on first. I things first NBA NCWA champ Antoine Walker joins the show. Welcome back. Lots of chat with you about Antoine. But the big game last night is where we're going to start the NCW championship game. It was Texas Tech. It was Virginia pick this up late less than twenty seconds to go UVA down three d Andre hundred nailing the three in the corner were tied in overtime now. Buck fifteen left Texas Tech down to David Moretti gets the ball knocked away from him. But after a closer, look it is ruled UVA ball on the replay another close call goes, you the as way Cavaliers would pull away to win eighty five to seventy seven Virginia is your national champion one year after losing to a sixteen seed what a difference a year makes Thuan what do you make of UVA's turnaround from last year to this impressive. You get eliminated as a once by sixteen. You lose a lot. And that this team has group stuck together and pulled off America. And you know, we went to a temperature. You've got to win you got to have a little luck. And they got all looked possible. Obviously saying the three point play. Was in the final four home. And yes that and then be able to come back from last night and gray game they played by both teams that would mean I was shocked. I was actually super surprised the game. Especially on the first six or seven minutes winning ready to sixty. Turn the TV. And it's out to be one of the great great national championship games. But unbelievable. You gotta give a lot of credit to be able to get this back. We juvenile get them back on the saints. Why? And then the place as many close games you did come out with the wind. You gotta give them a lot of credits combs, the other part of this is usually if you keep having games go down to the wire in a single nation tournament. One of those games goes against you to do exactly what happened to your one hundred percent, right? Jenna UCF? They get away with it tech. They get away with it. Michigan state. They don't finally roll snake eyes. You're out Virginia was ninety five percent to lose with five seconds left in the elite eight game. They were ninety five percent lose with eight seconds left in the final four game. They were probably around eighty five ninety percent to lose win. De'andre hunter hit that clutch three pointer. That was Texas Tech best evens in the country this year defensive breakdown at the end now up three twelve seconds left. The only thing you can't do is. Collapse off the best player in the game in the corner, leaving wide open claps off anybody for that matter believe him wide open for three. But then. Yeah. Virginia also needed some luck at the end with the call. But they they found a way to persevere and given what happened with them last year. It's to me as heart warming if I can be a little corny as any sport story is to come from those depths to those heights in about a three hundred eighty five day span. Because also if you look at how Virginia won the game last night, you look at the numbers, and 'cause basketball, you gotta be believe this just my personal opinion that you gotta make freak does. And you gotta make the three point line is important. They make Levin threes. They go twenty foot twenty three from the free throw line the game before that he makes all three three three. Yep. They did everything possible that you can do lane guys to make sure that they winning those games if you'd like basketball, and this is not pro basketball. But if you like basketball playing defense doing things to right way, shooting basketball, they got some of the greatest four. Warm, you know out there on the court. You like seeing this so Virginia being paid off of what happened last year in these young kids in the motion. Nick, you talked about the guy talked about they've struggled with things -iety people in their classes things like that. It's different when you're being paid in you lose because you still you still get paid in college. Man, you're when you are involved in something like this. You don't know if you ever get back being a one seat losing to a sixteen seat first time in the tournament and for them to be able to come back a little more than a year later build hoist that trophy great. And when you're an amateur, and you're now, it's the type of loss where you're at the answer to jeopardy question for ever, you are you are a punchline, you're the anecdotal. Oh, you don't wanna pull up Virginia. Like that's now white away like gotta find in different team to throw in there. Because of what they did this year. These kids did a service to last year seniors that didn't get to experience this. Because they validated. The program much like what happened with them in their prior game with Auburn where instant replay came into play. There's a controversial at the end. Do you think that the the refs caused texts tech cause them chance to win? Listen, I don't I actually don't blame the refs on this at all. I blame the awful system that is instant replay across sports. I ve only been saying this for my entire adult life except for in tennis instant replay does not make things better. It makes things worse. And the idea that that play is off Texas Tech is goes against sins Naismith invented the sport up until four years ago with four K high definition frame by frame that is off Virginia at the park. It's offer Jinya in high school that's offer Jinya in a regular college basketball game. It's off Virginia in the NBA until a few years ago. That's all Virginia. That's terrible Aminov Washington. Play though the bowl is all his fan. But then we had on me. I tell me I don't know what I'm saying. Then we have to change the way we play this. Do I not see the ball in his hand? It touches the end of his and if I were to right now, hold a basketball Antoine were to slap down on it. You know, where it would go off of last the bottom of my pinky. So we if we want to just change the way sports or played to adjust for super slow motion, high definition cameras fine. But I'm not into that. That is every everywhere you play basketball. That's tech bowl. And everyone knows that's grew to a certain degree. But I like getting the right especially the game. Like this. You want to get it. Right. And they got it. Right unfortunate for Texas Tech. But that's not what loss Texas Tech the game. You know, this was a minute fifty seconds. They had a chance to get a stop offensively. I feel like the shot at the regulation who soon agree. But why and also on the other end, why are you let them shoot at three. Why didn't you foul? Why don't you put them at the line? You could put him at the line between fifteen and ten seconds to go in the game. And why you leave your guy in the corner. Leave open your up three. So. The refs always play a part in the game. They're a part of the game. And sometimes you have to get around the refs. But for me, I'm about getting it. Right. Whatever technology we have unwilling to live with that. Because I know the ball bounces both wins. And I know there's thousands of other opportunities during the game that if you make a plight it, it wouldn't come down to get it all the way, right? When you go to replay. And you see the kid gets fouled right before the ball's knocked out of his hands retroactively, call the foul if it's about getting it right thing. Get it all the way grid everything. Okay. A lot of times in a situation like that. When the defenders coming from behind if he reaches for the ball or reaches for you. If you can continue dribbling, the ref won't call it if you lose your dribble, then they might call it because it did affect you. But in that, I could understand why he didn't call foul. Of course, meet with the contact. They were allowing in this game lead. Nothing. That I didn't expect him to call that will find either, and I totally support that. But what we see in basketball, the time is Antonio, you know, this because you played before replay was a big part of it. If you're going I shot specially late in games, and you might have gotten fouled and the ball goes out of bounds. What's the referees? Typically, call if he's not gonna call foul. We'll give you the Bob you keep the ball. Keep the ball. What do we see now with replay? Oh, we got to see off they go to replay. They see you got hammered, but they can't fix that. But because you got hammered the ball went off you is that getting it. Right. That is not getting it. Right. You can't let me ask you this e would you be okay with this adjustments replay since it's there to fix a grievous mistakes. You can go to replay. But you can only watch it in full speed. So if it's there to fix a grievous mistakes bad mistakes that should have been obvious. No, I don't want to utilize technology and not utilize it to its fullest the reason why I'm watching replay is because I get the -bility to build a slow it down frame by frame because we know that humans in real time. They can't see it. That's why. We've assisted the referees with replace so no if you're gonna use replay, let's use it for what it's worth frame by frame. That's what makes the difference. And that's what right replays there for understand both sides. It's tough. But I do like the fact that getting it, right? So we gotta going to re I'd rather get it. Right. Then just take that test. And I want to get it. Right. But they didn't get it. Right. That's not take away from this entire tournament. Games of the tournament. And they they probably would have won. Anyway, by the way, they they would've had the lead. It would been tech bowl. But that's ridiculous. I got it. I understand Antoine. We'll see a little bit later. Around. Just can't stay off social media. That's next person. Delaying like you. I run push the. Background westbrook. What are you laughing at? Delightful show. I just I'm delighted with the people I work with Ryan. And a gorgeous suits, Brian. Good readies back from a little three day weekend. He might import a little hot stuff and coffee. Let's talk in Tonio. Jan this former teammate juju Smith Schuster over the weekend. The two went back and forth over Twitter. AB wasn't done. Apparently last night sending out a screen shot of DM that juju sent him on Instagram from jujubes college days it read what's up baby. I'm receiver at the university of southern California. I appreciate all your work your great man on and off the field. You have any tips that can help take my game to the next level. Thanks man with the caption onto the next from Brown. Brian. What do you make of this? Clearly, it's not even close to being done. I think it's an unfortunate situation in in the NFL is about brotherhood, right? And I remember being a guy just like juju. I remember my second year in the league called him Brian Mitchell. Like, yo bro teach me how. Punt return, teaching the technique him to thought process teach me how to do this thing the right way. We're on the same team. We weren't team I've rook year, and guess what I took his spot. And so he had all reasons to say, you know, I'm not teaching dog won't thing. I'm not looking greatest returns, we should be a hall of Famer. Yes like ever. So I just want Kim. We want to say team then he went to our rival. So now he's playing for the giants. I'm still playing with the eagles. And I teach me how to be returning. He took time off season away from his family away from golfing. His radio shows to say, okay, I'm going to teach you how to be returned came out into the field spent hours explaining things to me showing me how to to be a better return better player that didn't really include all the things he showed me off the field as a rookie kind of play it for it. A little bit Leshan mcquaid comes to me his rookie year. I'm a veteran at this point. And he says teach me how to be a better player. I do everything I can to make him the better player. He's certainly a hall of fame candidate after his career over is over over twelve. Thousand rushing yards. He's been impressive. It's a brotherhood is about giving back. It's about Chris Carter, helping Randy moss. It's about an opportunity. Yeah. Did to pay for just a bit. And I think Antonio Brown missed it. He missed it. The bigger thing. I think is a generation of kids these days that are using social media to communicate one to one. If I got a problem with Chris Carter guess when I'm going to do I'm going to pick up the phone and say, Chris you absolutely wrong. What you said, this is how this is what you made me think made me feel and Chris say, whatever he has to say, we'll have that conversation. As to men, I'm not going to send a message on Twitter or exactly social from old l Beck. That's it. Exactly. The phone can simple as that. And respect the more for that. Well, you guys agreed or not. And I think Antonio Brown certainly could've took a different way and could approach the different way because this is a young guy as the is read from years ago appreciated him. Appreciate what he's brought to the game and respected and wanted to learn from him. I think he should've had totally different that the other aspect of everything. You're saying is well taken hundreds incorrect, but the other aspect of this is ABC made juju look good. And it shows inadvertently in it inadvertently is the keywords. And I'm glad you said that because it shows what a warped perspective of the world and Tonio currently has that he thought, oh, I'm going to checkmate him in this Twitter battle were having. I'm going to expose him. As folks would say expose them as what a hard working good young kid that when he was eighteen years old because Judy was super young when he came to league. Remember he was the youngest player in the league. So in twenty days eighteen years old at USC, man. I wanna get better. So I'm gonna he didn't know he's going to be Antonio's teammate didn't always gonna have a relationship with him. All this did was make me a bigger fan of ju ju ju is is he's not polarizing, but he's a little he's a little out there with some of his own. I don't wanna say antics, but he puts himself out there a lot he likes spotlight, and you some. People like that some people don't this made me like juju more and to me, it's a window into in. Tony's mindset that he thought this would make to look at to whom would this make juju look bad. Like what circles would look this juju such a sucker? Looking at me always been who that that is embarrassing to whom this is what I do know. And I'm glad you tell the story about Brian Mitchell because I know this game that people love if we don't have that institution of brotherhood in that locker room because the players NFL they have nothing else around them. They can trust the coaching staff. You can't trust them thing. Get to know as men they're not going to do what's best for on and off the field. No. You can't trust to organization soon as you have a bad season. You're going to get cut. There is no trust between the players and NFL office Park Avenue. There's a little bit of trust between the players. In the players association. So you know, what the players trust twenty years old, and you come that locker room you're going to trust him veteran plate Jake Reed. People talk about Randy moss. I let Randy moss. Tell the Randy moss story because he seems a different version noon. What really really happened there? Jake reed. The Minnesota Vikings high draft pick from gramling the Vikings were getting ready give up on them. He had fractured his hip. He had another injury on his back. They were getting ready to give up on them. Jake could not catch the football. I said Jake man, they check your eyes. He said, no nothing. Wrong eyesight. Jake took my vice wind got his eyesight checked found out. He had to go to a doctor and Seattle yet deficiency. He could not see the ball coming at Adam. He had a problem in the strengthening some little things in the back of his eye, man. He went through a whole off season. And then Jake green Chris Carter win thousand thousand thousand foot four times in a row NFL record. But Jake math. He didn't have me. There is. A brother the Vikings, man. He man he was so upset the Vikings had no confidence in them the coach Steph had no confidence in them. But me, I saw it man. This guy was having a problem with his men build the receive the football, and I trusted in Jake Jake was a hard worker, man. He was tough, man. He was mean Jacob I knew he could be a pro. And because of that he ended up having a long career cleaned up making a lot of money. And the man I'm telling there are thousands and thousands of stories of veteran players taking guys under their wing. And that's why we have the league. That's why we getting ready to celebrate one hundred years. It's not because the football of the institution of it. The play calling the coaches Park Avenue to players sociation is because brother, the brother we know that we can count on each other. And it's the only thing that the players can count and see it's not even just within the same position group. You tweeted out this weekend. Somebody tweeted something about Reggie White. The. Late great Reggie White nutrient that you tweeted, I miss my friend. I know from your time and your stories in Philly that Reggie who was already one of the all time greats tried to help you out as best as he could take you under his wing to a degree kept that relationship going, even once you went to Minnesota like that is there are you mentioned your stories with Shawn McCoy, I'm certain because you were very specific type of player, right? Like, you're not the prototype. Running back that there have been guys that have come out of college with your similar dimensions with your similar skill set. That man who am I gonna look to to how I can make it in this league. Brian Westbrook guys that they're not paying you. They're not there's no coaching that you're getting actually financially rewarded for. But there is the satisfaction of you are helping continue the legacy of NFL players one of the things I was as I'm reading this. I'm saying what's going on with Antonio Brown. And I believe as a six round pick. He's always played with the high. He got to be one of the best receivers in a game is playing with the gift. I'm thinking that. He's. Trying to find that as you can't you can't question skillset, we all know that he's one of the best in the game after work out that you can't question that anymore. Now, he's trying to refine the ads I just hope that he understands this isn't the way to do it attacking another brother like you mentioned earlier isn't the way to do it. We don't have to go there. We don't have to act that way, we could take it to a different level. We could take it to a point uplift. Each other. Just because Judy was good or or lease increase in skill set. Doesn't mean people think less Antonio Brown. Both of you guys can be very very good at your crap. And you don't have to tear each other down just to prove that you're better than the other person doesn't have to happen. I believe there, Bryan. We'll see a little bit later in the show coming up could Aaron Rodgers tear up the league next season with a new head coach. That's next on first things. I. Fight night champion square off Saturday, ten eastern on this one and the Fox Sports at we'll get to Aaron Rodgers in a minute. But for some baseball rating MVP Christian yelich goes deep, but two time MVP, Mike trout, Robin. Admit the wall right there an MVP on him VP crime. See, and I didn't you had met with Mike trout or some before. He was a pro. What's it when he's high school or I don't know you're saying some real they're Janke stadium. He's in the major league. Okay. Yeah. A few years ago. I was telling me about this running backs field. Had the sizing up man about six two and a half definitely over to twenty five man. NFL Calva running back. Great athletes. Great athletes that are linebacker pitch now English Premier League Chelsea and West Ham eaten his aunt split into two seven does before nailing smooth go right there. That's why we talking about the ham. I know brothers getting up and down and got no dunk. Swing. Shakeup shake man, really must not have been NBA last night. We got is impressive your. Rene castle getting the assist from an elephant thrown it down. I mean, obviously, I wouldn't I wouldn't participate in this for. But what Jenna what you're going to make this about my alleged lack of Atlanticism? No. But it's only reasons why you wouldn't because I'm not leading an elephant flip me in the airman eight thousand pounds squash your head like the migrant. He is a animal trainer though. Yeah. Animal trainers. Get I was worried about the landing because that's that's a long long fall back Aaron Rodgers now and the fallout from a detailed article examining his reported dysfunctional relationship with former Packer head coach Mike McCarthy Rogers finally spoke out about the report calling it a smear attack in particular. Rogers took issue with the conversation. He reportedly had with team president Mark Murphy where it was reported. That Murphy told Rogers, quote, don't be the problem. Take a listen. It's ridiculous. It is one hundred percent patently false. So it's either he made that crap up or what he would probably do as a writer say, oh, my this is my sources problem. They told me something I talked to Mark early like last week. And I said Marcucci you tell somebody about the conversation. He goes that's ridiculous. And I said because that's not what happened. And he of course, that's not what happened. We had a great conversation. Like, we always do. So so that that's one point that article amongst a number of highly questionable things not to mention unnamed sources put your name on to something. I see there's a lot there. What can Rogers take from the fallout with McCarthy? Knitter now help things moving forward with new head coach Matt leflore. I mean, he's been sensitive. He's got rabbit ears to other stuff that's been reported. So him firing back like that. I'm not surprised at all some of his answers in everything. Of course, all the stories probably not true. But there are some parts in there that he don't look real real good. And as a leader, this is what I do know improve sports. You can't control. What kinda talent you have? You can't control how much better you get. But who you are as a teammate. Everyone has the same skill level. You can be a great teammate. If you won't to everyone has the ability to be as good of a team as anybody else, everyone the same ability a great teammate. Absolutely and people choose not to there's also some people in this story that give the story great amount of credibility. Greg Jenin's him. And I have Greg been friends for years when he was a Packer. We were friends when these signs of free agent went the Vikings. I felt like I was a part of that deal. We were friends when FOX was looking for an. I got a list of people. Hey, what do you think about these people go, my friend, Greg Jennings? We can trust him hard. Working dependable good, man. So what Greg Jennings said, and I just know this when you do say something don't forget about the whole back the guys hold back in don't tell because we also in this fraternity wing on tell it all you'll never have NFL player. Tell everything on another NFL player now here of late. We can see AB guys are starting to left out the bag so Aaron he's not going to be able to fight this. If I was him I would move on because it's already affected people's perception of him, and it's already affected Mike McCarthy. That's one of the reasons why he didn't get a job this off season because they hired people that were less qualified than McCarthy. People say they want a guy works with the quarterbacks. I wanna offense of mine. That's McCarthy was any had success. And had a Super Bowl championship. So I believe it's already affected both of so on the floor stuff. What I find interesting is the way Aaron answer that question because he's he's claiming at the tail end of his answer. I never said that. But in the beginning, he says his own words, I said to Mark Murphy, did you tell anyone about our conversation. Now, that's now maybe just miss thing came out in the article to bleach the article was that one quote that one that was not the conversation. And so it may be Erin just misspoke there. But it would be an odd thing for me to ask. If you never said that to me, I would not be wondering did you tell anyone about our conversation like in? So what how do I read what happened here? Here's how I read what happened here. I think Mark Murphy called Aaron Rodgers and told him we're hiring Matt leflore. And I believe that in that story. Aaron had a few seconds of silence. Because he might have been a little nonplussed that he was not consulted on it who upset. Terms. Ticked off that he wasn't consulted on it. Right. And then Mike Murphy, Mark Murphy, maybe in not as stern ablaze presenting the articles that Aaron listen man, don't be part of the problem be part of the solution. Man. This my job to hire the coach you're going to like him, and maybe beating great conversation. And how does it get to the reporter Mark Murphy says to someone in the organization just talk to Aaron? One great in the beginning. Like, he didn't respond immediately. I told him though, he's he's not going to be part of the problem is going to be part of the solution. And then all of a sudden game a telephone gets tight on Bleacher report. That's how I imagine this win. And I imagine I understand why if that's how it went Aaron Rodgers be upset that it was presented as if he was on the phone huffing and puffing angry, and he had to be scolded by the defacto owner of the Packers. But playing it forward now whether that was said or not that is the right advice. Aaron Rodgers be part of the solution. Man. Be part of why Matt leflore is considered the best hire the Packers have made since Mike Holmgren be part of the reason that Matla floor is considered. Wow. What a short move by this team taking a guy who despite the fact that he was the coordinator for I think the twenty ninth ranked passing offense and football last year, the Packers Saul something in something. I think you saw when you met with him during the season when you're calling type. Right. Okay. First week the year and said the problem for him in Tennessee was a personnel. Not a schematic problem because at the end of the day, guess what about before? Don't have no legacy Merck. Murphy doesn't really have a legacy Mike McCarthy a larger legacy. Why do I say that in order to have a diverse talk about your legacy? You've got to be an all time. Nobody nobody talks about three Angels' stars are pro bowlers legs e and writers has a legacy to worry about. And how these last five years of his career go are going to determine that enlarge. The numbers are on peachable. But he's got to do some more winning quickly before move on their way Aaron Rodgers can help Matt leflore as they starts is first season as head coach. Absolutely. We had two situations. One season Dinnie green when he took over and he was installing the west coast offense. And most of us weren't weren't familiar with it? And there was one time we were on the field, and he was telling about Bill Walsh in Jerry Rice. And he was actually walk. Walking through like, the slant pattern and most of the guys would like snickering Dinnie was a little overweight and everything, but I really bought into it. Because Dinnie didn't he was telling me that he needed me as leader? He needed me as voice he needed my leadership. So I had a complete buying. I squashed all that guy. The guy work with Jerry Rice who have you worked with? So who you gonna listen to una listen to him. And why he's talking I want you all to shut up because he's trying to teach us something. And that right there lead us to the run that we went on in Minnesota another time then he had fired the offense coordinator Jack burns in the mill to season and Brian Billick from nowhere tight ends coach was named offense coordinator. And Brian said, Chris, you know, this offense better than me. But I would prefer if we don't disagree around the team we can come to my office man, and you can cuss me out. You can do whatever you want. But right now, I need your support. So ma'am, Brian put some things in their house. Like men great idea. I love that. I'm doing a clear out. Randy's running the dig Jake's on the dig across the middle. I'm psyching the guys up in the room because I knew that they needed that at the time. And the veteran leaders they have so much weight in what they say in what they don't say that credibility comes with it. I met with Matt leflore I came away astonished of his ex's knows. That's like how you gonna ever do this in Tennessee. It wasn't. I can't do this here. Chris I'm adapting to my personnel. So for me, I said this guy is going to be a head coach I talked about him earlier in the season. And then the Packers end up finding so Iraj IRS man, he holds a huge key in the credibility of what the coach is going to say and the tension that the other guys will have when he's in front of the room to great stories. All right. Take a break coming up should deck Prescott. Take a hometown discount talk about that next person. I. I we're going viral lead. Bill set out all of last season was replaced by James Connor laving hopped on Twitter. Shared a text exchange. She had with Connor Connor texted. What's up, bro? Just reaching out. Social media got dudes acting crazy. And it got me thinking he was always a real one and was always solid. I appreciate that. Congrats on the new deal. You weather. The storm you came out strong. Like, you always say all positive vibes. Do your thing. Brody a nice change of pace from the juju Antonio Brown feud going on. Yeah. It is. But would you can't reveal Tex people send you? We needed because that's the NFL. I know one low we need yet. We had to do that. You're okay with that we had to. I mean why I'm curious because all the information was going out there. What happened? The ju ju when everything like this is the normal exchange that we we do have a brotherhood. And I'm so glad that they got on top of it L Bill people got criticized he's helping this kid out the kid who took his job. I listen and that shames Khanna reaching out to L bell. And I and I I do I like the I like that that happened. I just don't do we think James Connor gave him. Okay. Let's put that out to the masses to sit down. If I send you a lagoon, it made him vicar to me, a text that would make you look I would have it on there. Okay. So messages he had how many does he have more than twenty one? How many do you have unread unread text right now? I'm at seventy two unruly, man. My phone is for my convenience by phone is not. So I'm not a doctor on call. You. Yeah. He's gotten on. Of course, the professors year professional why got this case for communiqu. My phone is for my convenience. Why are you gonna white people? Got your number new. Well, I'll get back to them when I see fit all busy on radio use getting back to people. I'd get back to you that day. Get back to you get back to you. The Nick rights dive stories notify you as your national champion. They out lasted Texas Tech, eighty five seventy seventy overtime Nick your reaction to the win last night spectacular. Sports story the stuff of movies, really the worst loss. And the of your sport followed up by winning a championship the next year and the final three games of that championship run. All you were a heavy underdog in the waning moments only to pull it out of the fire Marta little bit by the worst thing in sports instant replay. But a great win by Tony Bennett Virginia, so happy for the you're right on top of it Nick as far as the movie that's a little stretch. I mean, Texas Tech didn't score a bucket for the first seven twenty two seconds. So about the game. But maybe. The whole story they would've they would've slid past the fact the coast in talk about it. But the players talked about the type of things I ADI type of ridicule that they faced last year being the first number one seed to lose the build a bounceback a little more than a year and be crowned as a number one seat phenomenal story. Congratulations Virginia with their first title moving to the NFL draft former Super Bowl champ Trent Dilfer had high praise for twin Haskins saying he is Tom Brady ish see is still for onto something here. This is my guy treatment and he's been following these quarterback. So this is not San I just started watching Ohio State, right leg and asked me he works with high school quarterbacks, man. He's part of the big event where he sees these guys earlier. So he's one of my main guys that I go to four quarterbacks, and I'm gonna tell you told me about him longtime ago, and then I saw him adult high state now what I tried to avoid is because I'd. I didn't know Tom Brady Tom Brady was but he has someone intangibles from leadership humility standpoint accuracy with the football that Tom Brady does this a lot more than the NFL dot com report from one of their scouts this week in saying Dwayne Haskins is a media creation and is the fourth or fifth best quarterback in the draft. I think he's much more likely to be a great quarterback than what that report said. Now, Tom Brady, I think it's always tough when you compare guys to the greatest to ever do anything. But he's saying he has some traits. Ohio State doesn't have Haskins this year they've Bihar into win. Eight games would be pushing. Finally, we're talking Dallas Cowboys with DeMarcus Lawrence signed to a long term deal all signs point to Dak Prescott next in line to get paid. However, Steven Jones says his fourth year quarterback's contract will have to be quote, teamed friendly interesting considering it was just this past. February Dak Prescott said he won't be going. The Tom Brady below market rout. The two sides have yet to start negotiations Nick when you expect in said negotiations deck should go below his market. I don't know you'll have to go below his market. Tom. Brady's market is not Dak Prescott market. Tom. Brady's playing for about fifty fifty cents on the dollar, and that's a choice. He's mate. But that Prescott if we start ranking quarterbacks we're going name twelve fourteen fifteen guys for Dax name rolls off the tongue. So I the I don't think he's going to have to take what his actual market below is market. But I think Dak news recognize. What is market is his market is probably in the low twenty million dollar a year range twenty two to twenty four million dollar a year in today's in fell when case keenum can get in the high teens, we know we're DAT can get. But maybe some people would look at that as taking a discount. I wouldn't look at that as taking this kind of if Dak thinks he's in the thirty million dollar a year club. He's not who were the other guys in the low twenty million mid to mid twenty million dollars. Jarrett cars in that right now, there's I would the most of those bills are old deals or the guys were signed one year. Sam Bradford signed one year case keenum is under that he's in that second tier are different tier of guys. But to me it in this is hard to do. Because what I see a lot of times with the players is something gets. Changed were the agent is working more than the player. If I'm Dak Prescott. I'm giving him real time advice. I sit down with Zeke Elliot sit down with the Mario Cooper and tell them I'm willing to take a little less money to make sure that we can get you guys sign because my career is going to be better. If I'm with better players, man football man is about talent. And having that talent around you. And if a quarterback can't be supported he can't think that he can beat a force multiplier light Tom Brady. So no, I'm not taking a Tom Brady deal. I'm not taking anything fourteen to eighteen million. But I'm taking something under the Kirk cousins Aaron Rodgers tier and everything because there's a bunch of quarterbacks getting ready to sign anyway. So so the numbers are going to be off the charts as far as what quarterbacks are getting. If it was me knowing what I know knowing what Dallas Cowboys and legendary Dallas Cowboys no-one how they live in Dallas. How? And how much you can make off the field. I'm to take a little left because he's not in the type of environment that other quarterbacks in where he couldn't recoup a lot of that money. What leverage does Dak Prescott half's? I I think the only leverage he has leverage that was given to him by the Jones family by repeatedly talking about the fact that they have to sign him. He's played forty eight regular season games in his NFL career. Twenty four have been quite good. Twenty four have been quite bad. He is going to make less than a million dollars next year. The team could old the franchise tag over them for the following season. And if I'm Dak I want to get this deal done this off season not only because football's a dangerous game. And you have the injury Rhys. But also because what if next season starts the way last season started your leverage just gets undercut and undercut like he think Casey has to make is I've been the starter for three years here. Both years were wasn't suspended. We won the division last year wanna playoff game. I want you gave me a number one receiver. I got better. But I don't think anyone. Looks at Dak is that top tier enough quarterback except for maybe his agent who's whispering in his ear. You're one of the best young quarterbacks and football. Don't take anything under thirty million. That would be crazy. All right. Let's take a break. They're coming up. Who is the NBA MVP? Is it harden is Janas here? Current MBA players thinking versus I. Anthony walker. The weather's we're going viral. Kyle guy dropped twenty four points to help lead UVA to the national came game as his profile has risen so has curiosity about his tattooed. Check out this up-close from his Instagram accounts. Describe it. So it's tiger with the mouth open inside the mouth. There's an image of David standing on top of Goliath that seems pretty obvious David having defeated me live inside eaten by tiger tionna Jones. There you go. So you got it, man. I'm glad I didn't know about this to the free time. That's a lot of that's a lot of pain threshold there while that aren't too. No tattoos. You look good though. Jenna J the destiny. The destined tattoos. I don't understand David Goliath. And then they both got eaten by tiger. It's like when you survive off a building and then get mauled by a lion walking hopeful. Pool bible stories in their lions Dan open the mouth compared to being Dan and his mouth. Sunday school. Pastor Carter I delivered now taking offering to the MVP debate. In a survey conducted by the athlete. The church or asked who the MVP was forty four percent of current NBA player players selected James harden, while thirty nine percent has Yana says MVP Antoine or the players right picking Hardin over Jaanus, Janice. This reminds me of two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen I think you mentioned earlier Chris about Steph curry beat James harden out the year, and they really deserving they both. But the players that year that they had their wards show the players that year, pick Harza picked hard and every minds me of that. But I like Yannis if you look at the body of work, a Yannis, and you can get into. But I look at the little things they will seven seat last year. Not as a one c they went sixty games his game improved. And he's probably arguably the best defensive player we keep forgetting about that we keep talking about what's hardness done offensively. But this is the best two way player in the league. He can guard one through five hardness garden one through five and this guy's taken attainment wonky. I think Harding still has a better roster. He used to a better roster than the Milwaukee Bucks. Can't do you think the players are taken inconsideration both ends at a court. No, I think they're looking at what James harden is doing I think players get excited about scoring. More. So than looking at the whole body of work the whole game. And I think they get no, obviously, don't get me wrong heart, and it was very impressive. And may not be able to duplicate again scoring speed. He went on this year. And he did it. Terrific job. Get his team to the third seat. But you're Janas hat on both ends of the floor. The fifth-seeded thirty two minutes at night wasn't credible. He's filled up stash sheet on both fans. I think that Janas has a very typical and very strong MVP case best best team best player on that team. Best record in the NBA plays on both ends his stat line. If you go points, rebounds, assists, blocks has not been done since Corinne. Right. So in order to beat that you need a historic season. And I believe that's what James harden his hat. I this is come down to the wire. But I agree with the players. I think James Harden's the MVP, and I would argue 'cause hardens listen Janas team has sixty wins hardened CMO of. Sudden has fifty three so that he's going to end either six or seven win short of Yana spinning out of the final game of the season shakes out, and obviously the tougher conference on a team that set with much more injuries, but seven wins a lot of wins in this league sixty win threshold really truly man walking. They haven't been, you know, pushing the gas the last couple of games they probably could have gotten to sixty three or sixty four. If flushing Toronto was on there for guys last year you up to sixty you look at Houston won sixty five games. Fifty eight there at fifty three now. To your point. The if we are looking at this in the vacuum of the one season the question, I would ask is this. If this were LeBron whoever thirty six game for fifty three win team or Anthony Davis whoever thirty six game for fifty three win team that dealt with injuries. 'cause I agree. The rockets might have been a roster win fully healthy. But Chris Paul Mr. Trump guitar Clint cappella Chung time, if this were hell Damian Lillard this year, whoever thirty six game for fifty three one Portland team. Aren't they going the MVP like I feel like the gonna put up Jonah's numbers not winning MVP? I Anthony Davis. If he was on that team. They bring him in Buki back. And he does what Jaanus is doing like I mean getting those types of numbers game only on seventeen shots hardened shooting seven more shots gang. He's supposed. He's gonna bless you. And but I like your point of the players they're not looking at the defensively. And as a former player, you know, they're not going to. Valuate that as hard and what he's getting steel and a half a game. I block and a half a game like h- you have to consider that is a record breaking season. Just like you're saying that hardens hat. I just think you put in the conversation where Michael Jordan when he was the best player in getting guard. Lebron James early has career when he was the best player. He got one through five Kobe Bryant taking on that Simon garden at that position. And been the best player. He's he's giants heart is not science. I play. The scorn is great. But that's that's what a buck stops. This an impressive the way he was able to carry it a little Chris Paul being out and and can't Capella, but will Janas done is surely amazing on both ends of the listen. I don't think it's fair to say it's where it stops with Harden's scoring because he's a great distributor for that team. He is the engine that runs the entire offense. Now, he is. He's not awful Vincent player that he was but Janas might win defensive player of the year. Like, you made this point earlier, and I want to reiterate it, I am not here to tear down Yoenis Janas. I bet on the honest when NBA people for the year. I picked you on this one MVP before the year. I think he probably will win it. But if I had a vote, it would be the toughest vote of the last certainly since oh six and maybe since before, but the what hardened deed taking a team that the other aspect of it is. And I don't know if this counts are not, but this was an extra important year for the rockets because of Chris Paul's h because this team if they don't make a push this year next year, we know the last couple of years of Chris ball's contract is going to be a detriment to harden in that team's ability compete for championship. They were on the brink. They were fourteenth in a fifteen conference with their best inter second best and third best player out with injury and hardened put up wilt numbers, pardon put up the go ahead, Jason Kidd, just got fired plan with John's what about buds for sure it's a critical year for Yang. It's too. It's not like all the pressures on hard and Houston like we're just looking at the totality of it. There's no way that we can avoid what. John is has done in the same argument that you. Well, what if LeBron had this will you tell me another NBA player that could put a twenty seven toil only seven. Yeah. He's just he's distributed about just as well as hard almost. Yeah. I mean assistant half a game not touching the ball is less taking seven less shots and doing all that on the defensive like he might be defensive MPP. Like, that's the only way the players can be looking at. It is avoid in the defensive in the scorn. And I know that that's how players look at it. When they like if you put it in the whole guys, you a lot of respect for that. I respect around the league when you squad a basketball and harness doing an amazing thing and obviously the ninety point game. So they respect that one thing. I think too is they might be given hard a little bit of love because how consistent in then. They know he's worked on his game his conditioning to uptick the way it did in the season. Because this is not his first time. So it might be a respect factor to how many season. Oh that he's then they know that if at the end of this five year stretch, he comes with only one MVP at not going to be a totally justified. Given the fact that he would have three seconds. And at least two of those three the players thought he was the. Thank you for listening to the first things first podcast. Remember, leave us a review and tell us what you think subscribe to the podcast on apple podcasts and catch us on Monday through Friday, six thirty AM Easter for Chris Carter, Nick, right, Geno, wolf so long. Everybody.

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Aaron Rodgers, Jon Gruden, Bucs, LeBron James, Dak Prescott, Joe Flacco + Jalen Hurts

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Aaron Rodgers, Jon Gruden, Bucs, LeBron James, Dak Prescott, Joe Flacco + Jalen Hurts

"From labra doodles to grow nuts the world of hybrid so today businesses are taking a smarter hybrid cloud approach using the tools platform and expertise of ibm. The world is going hybrid with ibm visit. Ibm dot com slash hybrid cloud. What's up speak for yourself. Listeners is your boys sharp co host of f s wants undisputed. I've got great news a finalist for shorty award. Go vote for your boy. Makes you bring this award home. Thank you thank you again from the bottom of my heart for making luxury a success. Speak for yourself marcellus. Wiley up here in mayo. Switching sides see in our color warfare of good dog. We look very We live political right. Oh that's so sad you all right. Let's get to our top story. Who are deliver pizza. Hut's order today. Pizza hut dot com. Packers did not restructure aaron rodgers contract last week but they did pay him. Nearly seven million dollars roster bonus move is expected to make it easier to move on from roger thousand and twenty two thousand twenty four. Save the reigning. Mvp want assurances that he will be in. Green bay beyond next event will not be a lame duck quarterback ram otto. The aaron rodgers last season in green bay. No no it won't saying no so. I started off this morning. You hurt us on a production. Call you off on other side of the fence. I was like yes. But then i got to thinking. I got to researching and landed at. No now okay. I i have to acknowledge it for this to not be aaron rodgers. Last season it would almost have to be a statistical anomaly. What we know about the modern. Nfl is this if you draft a quarterback in the first round. They typically start. They always start rookie season. Okay all thirty. Quarterbacks started in their rookie season that. We're taking in the first round minus one one jake locker. So essentially twenty nine out of thirty quarterbacks start they were gear big dog jordan. Love it so. Aaron rodgers has already broken the mold. He's already contributed to this statistical. Anomaly if you will of keeping a first round quarterback on the bench now mind you this. I from quarterback is not just any typical first round quarterback. The packers traded up to draft toward love. Aaron rodgers has already contributed to a statistical anomaly. But the bigger reason of no is this your the packers and you look around. Ooh and what kept you from being in the super bowl this year a forty three year old. Tom brady namen. Rogers is thirty seven years of age. So you're the green bay packers and you're thinking to yourself man. Aaron rodgers is on the decline. Aaron rodgers is over the hill but wait the person the team the character that kept us from reaching our ultimate goal person team. That character that accomplished the ultimate goal was a forty three year old. Tom brady which leads me to believe. Packers management or a packers fan. I might have more more than half a decade of quality football elite football left in our quarterback aaron reason so i don't believe that the packers will move on from aaron rodgers. I think they want to. I know they wanted to but at this point in time at this junction in time. I don't know how you came. Man he gone. I going to go to tom. Be as eloquent as he hope that cast check fox's happy he got switzer rouge air rogers multiple times. Thank god aaron. Rodgers has a spidey sense. Then he could see it coming he like. Oh i got the hammer right now. So i'm about this wing it and that's what you have to do in any situation a leverage but you know before i get serious i gotta have my joke. Nice haircut okay. it's hard to decide how. What are you crisscross. Come knock educated. But i keep it still young as bisi. Okay and i see those knuckles ash this morning. He was on this side of this message. Switch on this. This one was two weeks. Let's talk about air rogers. You gave me grey. Statistics support aaron rodgers being in green bay this but the greatest statistics you into mentioned is the fact that air rogers was the first round quarterback himself and as a first round quarterback hit and start but the he succeed legend a living legend. A future hall of famer. Yes he did. And history repeats itself especially in green bay when they have like forty seven owners of some some board of directors because they don't really have an owner public ownership and it's just runs differently out there one. They're working from the mindset in the premise. That we're not gonna be able to attract free agent that top quarterback probably this the market. Just be a real every player in a fill always says i ain't trying to play in green bay until green bay says here's the money and that's the only thing that lures players there put a quarterback there my said is we have to draft and draft early but also give him an opportunity to blossom. It's the same thing to happen. Would air rogers breakfast is. The same thing happened in now. With jordan love aaron rodgers. Let's get to this right now. Don't know why you switched sides. Don't know why you didn't trust. Your intuition is greater than cognitive. Thought i told you. Neurological response six million times faster to feel something gut telling me something going on. I demise saying. I think when my two stripes. I think there's something going on. You should have trusted. Here's the switcheroo. That i was talking about this suckers trotter. Say hey eric we draft jordan love and your position but you know what that was just as a protection. I mean you just to get the best player available. Aaron like that what you do when you know we're in the nfc championship game. And all we need is more weapons to get over that hump. You go draft him opposition okay. I'm listening but i'm not hearing y'all now. After that day. Try to switcheroo and convert a roster bonus into a signing bonus to add more cap money to his contract going forward making it easier to get rid of him going forward and air rogers thought about it was like nope not at all and this you give me a shirt unless you give me money that contributes to me staying here longer. Why would i have that short term. Fix in your favor. Not my favorite to switzer rules right there. And here's the worst part the general manager. What's his name goon koos goo goo sausage coups. He says. I don't have to do a lot of reassuring aaron rodgers. His place speaks for. So sorry mr general manager. Your actions are speaking so loudly. I can't hear your words. You just said right there. You drafted jordan love. But you say aaron rodgers actions speak for yourself you come up to him and try to convert his money so it could be detrimental him to him going forward but his actions speak louder than anything. How upstairs your actions speak louder than anything and give the man the mvp some real assurances you said mvp seles acknowledge the mvp status. The last sentence of what you said is exactly why aaron rodgers will still be on the on the packers long after this next season and the look historically in the nfl. Mvp's any player that has won mvp award the best player over the course of the regular season in the national. Football league has always stayed on that team beyond the next to seize. you can go joe montana. He stayed on the team. Andrew derailed. that's why he moved in threes. Kurt warner he stayed on. The rams injury derailed him twice. He moved in three seasons. Like steve mcnair. He stayed on the titans of not mistaken. Andrew derailed him. That's why he moved to the ravens at three seasons later. The late steve mcnair so and the pays always stay on their teams for at least at a minimum two more seasons. Everybody at home is probably thinking. What about tom brady again. He was on the patriots for two more seasons before. Busting a move so those three letters. Mvp is the other reason why. Aaron rodgers is going to be on the packers long after next season. But i also have to submit this because i thought of this as you were talking. You challenged me. It's what i love about the show. You made me think. Colin brought it up. You brought it up. What about the fact that aaron rodgers took over for brett farr even after brett farve was thirteen and three. What about that. Well the first thing i was it was that was fifteen years ago so different day and age right now on the nfl. But i think the more important thing we have to submit your quarterback needs to be able to compete against the times. Aaron rodgers was young. Who was winning super bowls back in the early two thousands and thousands of the twenty tens. I young tom brady a young peyton. Manning a young drew brees. Who's winning super bowls super bowls right. Now it's still an old tom. Brady bert you still have a odor peyton manning. If you go back five years you had a matt ryan in his ninth year in the. Nfl went down twisted twenty. But you still have older quarterbacks that then you need a young aaron rodgers because us looking young peyton manning oh young. Tom brady brees. But now you're looking at saying up and tom brady wait a second. We go back five years old. Peyton manning wait a second. That was an older matt ryan. So why can't are thirty seven year old. Aaron rodgers compete against the current times. When you want to look at that old school comparison one it old school because fifteen years in the. Nfl is a long time but more importantly old quarterback winning right now. The nfl is a copycat league. If you're forty three year old. Tom brady can win my thirty seven year. Old aaron rodgers can win and that has to be where the packers go through. And that's where the packers will lead. Man i i can't go there with you know it's funny. We go to the same place so often but we take different from highway highway. I'll take the alley boulevard. Anyone if they got four. Stop lights on a you traveling. Sue me i'll give a damn dirt road anything move. Scuff up these nike's okay. We're here though with the same place. We finally got their. Here's the thing you use fifteen years ago and you use it in a different context the climate back. Dan was to sit quarter vessels. Well sit starter. District like like wait for him to learn develop. Take it in internalize the right. Very true and aaron rodgers had the three years but he was behind a future hall of famer and a living legend three years. Now you look at the climate. What is it urgency. Get them out there. That's why i don't give a damn if you mvp and not like they didn't give a damn that brett farr thirteen at three they were like your term and this is how it went since i went the hood in the alligators. You say this is how this is really going down in two thousand and five. They drafted aaron. Rodgers and breath was there and he had his worst season. Ever you want to know why because they would like aaron rodgers. We're gonna jump you into this gang. Well welcome to green bay homeboy. Go look brett farve. But every single day in practice brett farve had his worst season up to date because he couldn't handle whatever reason he was looking over his shoulder and every day. Dark dark dark. 'cause aaron rodgers supposed to be the number one overall pick but he dropped in that same draft remember that so all of a sudden before finally gets his gathering and he gathered himself and he starts become brett farve again even his worst year was drafted. Aaron rodgers no urgency to play him. Think about that and then two years later when he's bowling again they say that's it got to go make that makes sense so now you're in a situation where this is funny. They draft jordan. Love football aaron rodgers every day in practice. Jimmy rogers looked at him. Shut up jordan up. I'm the mvp right here and jordan. Love couldn't do what aaron rodgers was able to do too far. But guess what's going to happen this same result. They're just gonna make it happen by the cap numbers by the dynamic upstairs. Instead of just performance because bob performance we wouldn't have seen errors in two thousand eight but bach performers. We shouldn't seen joy love. Maybe ever but they go make it happen because that's what they want to have. Let me say this. And at this point you're right. We we end up a similar destination but we take different routes. I think the packers are going to have to choose between the prideful wrong answer or the humble right answer and i think most men probably the situation before you're choosing between a wrong answer a humble right answer it you sitting in the car with your kids then your your children are like wait. Dad's going the wrong direction. You sitting in the car with your significant other. And he's like wait a honey. Are you show. You're going to write direction. Yeah i know where i'm going. You really know where you're going but for you to acknowledge that you don't know where you're going means you have to take the humble right answer or you can say you know where i'm going. Be quiet sun be quiet daughter. I know where i'm goin'. Take the prideful. Wrong answer ended up getting lost. A green bay packers. The prideful wrong answer would be to play jordan love and move on from aaron rodgers. Much more quickly. You traded up to draft him so now you will look dumb if you can you to walk in line with error. The humble right answer would be to say you know what i made a mistake. We made a mistake. We shouldn't have drafted jordan love as soon as quickly as early as we did. Because aaron rodgers is still good if the packers can choose the right answer which they should they will be on the proper track. My fear though is like several individuals specifically men at times we will choose a prideful wrong answer because we all know the wrong answer. Yes to move on from aaron rodgers sooner than later and moved to jordan love man. I'm a highlight that again. Prior for wrong humble right answer you know why. That's so well said is because it applies to this situation in a lotta situations. That seem confusing to us. As my grandmother once said the truth is simple. Allies are complex. This is a complex situation because a lot of lives are being told is starting to catch them on these lies and using his leverage against green bay packers organization. The women's weight room situation with another one that seemed a little perplexing. The people it's like. How could you let this happen. And i'm gonna tell you what i listened to an emotion lists conversation that happens in this world all the time and a lot of people can't and saying you can't and i can't. Oh well i'm not better than you. You're not worse than me. But money makes the world go round. I know wesson connect you said. Gangsters make the world go around. But i was just in la but the rest of the world of money makes the world go round big dog. And it's so funny when people try to have all these other conversations whether it's is is that is a net or they try to say. Oh well you know. Jordan love is. He wasn't supposed to be available. We had to move out because he was transcendent. Arkansas aaron rodgers number one overall pick but he failed to twenty four. You know what it really was. We could get us a cheap good quarterback and we played at ford is over here top five and salary. Let's get something comparable. we know. Worse comparable in growth in could blossom for the cheap. All underlining is money money makes this situation around. That's why they try to convert his bonus air and not trying to here. S stupid stuff. I remind aaron rodgers dope. Be careful big dog because all the goats all the greats find themselves wearing different. Uniforms brought up. Joe montana that end up. You could talk about tom. Brady right now how to end up. Look at other goes position jerry rice. He's stopped wear uniforms. The he ended up wearing. And it smith who. Smith reggie white wherever you wanna go diaz sanders like damn greatness is not enough money. Conversation gets lost a lot of times when you talk about greatness. Only lord taylor i was looking. I was like who is great. And didn't have the switch lawrence taylor and barry sanders bernie sanders like tap out. I ain't gonna let this happen to me point being this conversation centers around money air right now has the hammer but for every action there's an equal and opposite exactly right the last thing i'm gonna say cell is this is if you already close to if you're already close to opening up the door with the keys don't try to go and try to access another door right like you show up to you and this happened to me. Recently i showed up to my door with the keys. And i'm trying to figure out which opened up the door so house k. But you don't always want the new house to house all you muddy so let me try to go through another door but the fact of the matter is i already had everything i needed. I just needed to fidget with the right keys to get into the door the packers you already have everything. You need with aaron rodgers. You're at the door. You're knocking on the door. You've been to a conference championship game. The last two years. Yeah only other team is the chiefs and a half a super bowl and another super bowl. Appearance don't try to go back and that's another door with another quarterback because that's just going to be a longer route to the same objective destination of success and the packers. You know what to do. A era is not a mayor. Suspect seen in the barracks your keys in different doors back. You better be careful to call you boy next time. Jason i'm even worse. Greenpeace ragas criticized more than any other athlete. Tell you if we agree. But i is jon. Gruden on a hot seat will tell you if you need to make the playoffs. that's next. don't speak for yourself it you. Are julian edelman. You can't do that. The brand new fox. Sports app is a finalist for the thirteenth annual. Shorty awards. i love it. I do not. I do not download any apps. I simply do not. I'm an old man. I don't know how to use my phone. I don't like apps. 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This season no not at all you know. I love me some king but that's not it Teflon that's what i call teflon. John let me tell you one thing. He is not like us he looking at players like only way. Y'all gonna make you to work out here is if you don't make it work. I am teflon john. Who signed a ten year. Hundred million dollar contract otto. Listen to me is fully. guaranteed. If i don't feel like coaching my hardest falfield like going out there. And doing what you want me to do. Oh well i'm getting net money no matter how it goes chew said player so when we had this conversation a former player balloons that mindset. 'cause talking to a made man. You're talking to john. So he's sitting there like y'all players got go out there and eat which q. And if you don't then we've got to get into conversations about dead cap in cap numbers. Dick money's no day kept alive. Don't matter no. I'll get this money regardless and you think that the davis family doesn't understand this so i'm gonna tell you why he knows he's good one. Peter king didn't really address this be real. He got to a team first year. Four wins second year. seven wins. Thirty eight wins. Is that progression. Oh yes it is. Because you've got to remember as you always remind me about cleveland. The las vegas raiders. Are cleveland basant. Let's talk about this. You know that they were twelve and four in two thousand and sixteen but they had made the playoffs all the way back to the super bowl year. Two thousand and two rain. S that sorry. Yeh cleveland jason. That's the raiders. Are now if you talk about who john grew. excuse me teflon john is. He's a coach on his second act. When he was with the raiders and then went tampa bay. Did he want to bowl. Yes or no yes. He did okay. Now let's talk about coaches. That took a little time to win those super bowls especially in their second at andy reid. Did he win for the first time when he was with philadelphia and then when he's wet kansas city. You know how long it took him to get. That won't his seventh season. John zona stirred while we were here trying to pull the rope. Okay let's talk about mike. Holmgren won his first gig. Green bay was then all of a sudden he gets there. Seth season before he goes out there and win. Why all of a sudden trying to pull the rug under teflon john. I don't see anything in history. Any other coaches that gets the rug pulled from underneath them this fast. Especially when they're progressing making makes this. Don goon is the most overrated coach in the history of the nfl. Okay hot over is som- kuhn is what most overrated coach in the history of the nfl. A hundred million dollar guarantee. I'm just gonna start with facts. I'm going to remove my feelings from facts conversation. Jon gruden is not gonna playoff game in nine years. John grooten feeling john. Goon is not won a playoff game and nine years john. Thune is the only active coach who has been with the team for three seasons. With no playoff appearances. Jon gruden is a career. Five hundred winner one hundred fourteen in one hundred ten. Since jon gruden super bowl winning season he has a forty four percent. Winning percentage that is on par with chip kelly who the only lasted for years in the national football league. We criticize matt. Nagy chicago bears head coach for underperforming for underwhelming matt nagy. He's been the head coach for the bears. Three seasons the same amount of time. Is jon gruden matt. Nagy however has made the playoffs twice twelve and four season. Jon gruden still yet to make the playoffs. I will again assert. Jon gruden izzy most overrated head coach in the history of the nfl marshals. I'm going to take you somewhere. Your music buff on the music. Buff what are we going. Jon gruden i would call the equivalent to konya west. Oh that's amazing to me. You don't have one of my favorites. bauer rushmore. From early on john gounon. Connie both did things that made us admire their creative genius. Kanye west college dropout. He gave us so many things he gave so many bankers and they were both able to live off of that creative genius. Jon gruden does to. The buccaneers wins the super bowl in year. One something tony dungy the great. Tony dungy cannot accomplish that bucks team. Because of that we've been like yo john gounon candidate amo see it so when conde comes out with an oversized t shirt for five thousand dollars joe. He's a genius. We must not be able to see it when conde west to sell us boots for three thousand dollars but he's a genius. We must not see it when jon gruden trades khalil. Mack for two first round picks. He's a genius. We must not see traits khalil. Mack instantly the bears defense moves to number one in scoring the best in the national football league the same year. He traded khalil. Mack the oakland raiders. At the time it was oakland's defense was the worst defense in the national football league. And by this. He must be a creative genius. Trades amari cooper. Amari cooper goes on to have three consecutive thousand yard seasons with the dallas cowboys. Since trading amari cooper derek carr has not had eight thousand yards wide receiver. He has had yards tight ends. The last year's for the raiders. A tight end has led the team in receiving yards. Jon gruden we thought he was a creative genius. It turns out he's truly a creative idiot. We are not seeing you again. You know what. I do know trauma. Venue these ribs just yet like take your towel. Fa nfl quarterback won a super bowl nineteen years ago and since winning a super bowl. Nineteen years ago hadn't won a playoff game had had nine nine seasons and hadn't won a playoff game hadn't had a winning season in their last three seasons. And yet we still praise this quarterback. We would look like fools so rather than looking like a fool. I'm going to acknowledge who've truthful is if either the raiders. If they continue to pay jon gruden or it is jon gruden. But it's not me that's all i know. Damn i love working with you. Oh man i gotta take a look you my dog but john grooten. Ain't gonna let you do this. I told you jimmy. Jeez don't grow on trees. Don't grow trees this dude as a super bowl winning coach. And you're gonna take you hype at him and his fifth year after being a coats that got traded traded. They do that. They try to guess what he went out there. I you let me get that lombardi and now you go forget about that. But i should've known cause you from dallas and you got a lot of self hate because you do the same thing to jerry jones every time upbringing up jerry jones. He has silver at a ninety five and he won three to re super bowls. He's a hall of fame owner as this is going to be a hall of fame coach. But you don't want to put respect on what used to happen because you want to say. What have you done for me lately. Let's talk about what used to happen before we talk about what he's done lately. What used to happen is we used to respect coaches and give them time and give them a leash. and there's someone else same coaches. We thought were great. I'm giving you four days and you tell me if any of these cultures are not good telling a bad coach. Bill cower. andy. Reid tony dungee and tom coughlin. Anybody coaches no phase obese. Stale tom of his career. I was career about point here. You go slice though somebody careers again. Is tom com from the bad coach. You know dan royal. He's not a bad coach. Just everybody how was your last year player for the super bowl was banned to go. Okay i thought you don't wanna go there but bill our minds. It was his fifth year when he won the super bowl and talk about. jay z. Bill cower took fourteen years old. I'm glad i told well known. Sf why he wouldn't let them live to get the fourteen years before he won a super bowl if you sf. Why wouldn't even be andy right now with airport shirt on you. Don't what could it took a twenty one years to do a job. Did him five. But you want to talk about now. Let's go to tony dungy while no you ain't gonna take a shot at no eleven seizes. His second stop peyton. Manning took him eleven years great coastal right but you gonna say jay okay last one time coughing. Who you are. He said you don't think so but let me change. Among could've took him his twelve season to get to where g was in his fifth year and he has to super bowl. Titles my point is this. He's at a new destination his third destination. Because you got member. You gotta go back to the raiders. And you go tampa bay now you with the again in this situation. They are improving. You have not show me anything of late. that shows. They're not improving in the most important columns win loss. Four seven eight great. That's what john grooten. Does i guarantee you this in his fifth year super bowl contenders when you start with four wins. It's very easy to improve from. Hey is that it's easy to want to do a segment on some other coaches. That were there before him. Or you want about jay. Here is what i will say. Eventually marcellus in life more often than not privileges can expire. How far are we going with this. We're going there jon. Gruden currently lives in exists off of super bowl privilege. I'll give you my example. When i was playing in the league. I had a celebrity card and the celebrity card. Let me access a restaurant. And i could eat there for free. Whatever i want to order. Swipe it's free every time. I could go there every day of the year if i wanted but after i got out of the. Nfl and i was no longer deemed as celebrity by the company. They revoked my celebrity card. Because privilege that special access to this restaurant and it was now revoked. Because i was no longer celebrity. Marcellus the statue of limitations for jon gruden super bowl champion ship thousand years ago two thousand and two that has expired ale nokia sixty four and eighty i gave you that decibels coffee and eighty since he won the super bowl out care. Sixty four and eighty. How long are we going to continue to grant a man grace for something. That happened more says. What was your oldest daughter born. Nineteen and i don good morning bowl three years after her daughter still under super bowl letter. Don't hesitate her. Nineteen years we can not tale. Grant this man some sort of special grace. He has to win jack del. Rio had three years three years in oakland and because he was an oakland a whole time. Jack del rio in history years was twenty five and nineteen. Jon gruden has been there for three years. John thune is nineteen and twenty five or one thousand nine hundred twenty six whatever. The case may be. It's apples to apples. It's non groom you to start receiver. Your quarterback hasn't seen touchdown number cents. You traded amari cooper. Derek carr had thirty two touchdowns with tomorrow roster. He ain't had more than twenty seven cents. Jon gruden isn't the genius you wanted to be. Cognac them for album. Sorry don hey somebody who no to end this last time conduct gave you a banger when the banger life. I can't have anything. everything could choose a anything. Oh yeah oh shoot it. Ain't obama asks bangor ruin is one of only nine active coaches with a super bowl ring. But you're trying to say he's just like the rest you trying to tell me that my daughter's like the rest of these keys out there. Muck muck is a little different. And i lose any loved seeing three years old anymore. You make me sick. And i remember that same celebrity card. They dave revolted. But i give you this this. This is one end with for real. It took him five years to do before. Can you at least keep them five years in this situation but even if you don't wanna give them grace you don't wanna give him that mercy of five year out joe. He's still going to get that money. So you wanna pay them to work or pay him not his overrated. Yes or no no housi- rate dose. He's he's got that. Which makes you think he's right it differently. But he's a super bowl. Winning coach rated properly. One of nine is a special category marcellus. Doug peterson was hired. Who want a super bowl in his second. Coming up later be given three years. Anita see something so. I need to see something done. Goon as most overrated coach history of the not. Now not me over your pocket to coming up of putting the band back together. We'll tell you if there's anything that can stop tampa this season. That's next on. Speak for yourself points on sunday. The best season ever continues as the nascar cup series heads to bristol for the first dirt track race and fifty years the action star sunday at three thirty eastern on fox anywhere on the fox sports at the books must love built berets. Because they stay busy this season. The latest report says tampa is bringing back. Dhammika sue on a one year deal and opposite. Tackle donovan smith on a two year deal so bowl champs already extended. Tom brady and brought back for his guy. Wish bear the david and rob gronkowski. Oh mark god. Is there anything stopping the books to see who can stop mansell. I honestly think it's only two things. One would have to be a super bowl. Hangover wrangler the so height from winning last year. And now they've tasted success that they've gotten fooled off of it. I've told you this story before. Give it to you in another form. It's like sometimes you. Boy tries to intermittent fasting thing. Oh you try try. I incidentally do it instead of intensely. Do what i eat. Dinner like seven pm. And then. i don't eat until after. I workout by eleven. Am end up intermittent fasting but the problem cell is. If i don't eat for too long. And then i go eating too much too quickly. Stomach ache tell me tell me. I don't know if my stomach shrink. So whatever the case may be. I think that is a real thing. Just shrinks if. I don't either agstar pop into you know but if i don't eat for too long and eight to much too soon. You get folder quicker. That's where i think the bucks might end up. They didn't eat for a long time. We just finished talking about john. Room has been since jon gruden won the super bowl and that they were last in a super bowl nineteen years big dog and so stay eight now all of a sudden not only do you go from seven to nine to the play offs. You go from seven to nine to a super bowl. you'll go from starving to buffet. You go from not eating to fillet. So i'm thinking are the buccaneers going to eat. Have they eaten too much quickly and thus they will be. Obviously we're having a little conversation. I mean figuratively. Did they taste success too quickly and now they're going to get into next season and it's like now we got tom. We ain't got to worry about nothing. And then they start to falter later on so on my first lap. My first concern of stopping. The buccaneers is. Will they stop themselves. Have they gone from not eating figuratively long enough tasting too much success too quickly and they will perform in a manner of being fool because they already a beautifully beautifully. Say ooh i like that. One intermittent fasting breakfast more time more time. My last meal is probably ten pm and my first meal is three the next day every single day. I only have a shake. So i guess that's kind of cheating but have shaken about eleven a. Try to get their like but here we go. Nothing is stopping the books. Nothing and i knew you were going to go there. My first line is not even themselves. Stop it before you started acho. I literally wrote that down new youth. Emplo they gotta be two full. They're going to be full faster. They didn't eat for so long. And this is so funny as sports. People always go there because you wear the same uniform as the bums before you. They didn't eat for so long. I'll new owners team how we eight and s okay. So let's not confuse the to the tampa bay buccaneers organization with this roster which is young and now together. They're staying on the roster. Lack of focus won't work not going to work. You want to know why their quarterback is. Tom brady who is tom. Brady last quarterback to win back to back super bowls. Who is tom brady. This dude is the guy who's been the four of the last five super bowls net. It ring people let it ring of the last five super bowl typewriters like here. Elementary at school marcel. Here if i'm tom brady. Let's go back even further five of the last seven. Here tom brady. He doesn't allow you to get off schedule in terms of how you eat and how you receive that same food because tom brady is a rule stickler like he is mr rules. Tim duckers mr fundamentals. He is mr rules. And now i gotta hit you with a while. This is them is about who tom brady is as i sit on my yacht. Follow the rules to become an exception. Ns who tom brady is. He has followed the rules greater any of the way. You're not alone quarterback in sports history certainly. nfl history. so tom brady's sister choke and says you know what i'm not gonna let chug off course. I'm not gonna let you guys lose your focus. I have the results to prove it. Stick to me steak with me. And we're gonna go where we need to be. Gotta bringing game fox in the phil analyst bookie brooks so bucky where yet bucky bucky. Go to that camera right there. All right forget. Is there anything stopping the bucks. This season he goes you guys have it all figured out because last year we thought it was the kansas city chiefs and the dynasty was coming because no one can stop him the same thing right. Now it's been like a verbal bouquets thrown all over the tampa bay buccaneers. But you can stop the tampa. Bay buccaneers one. They certainly can't control and that's to injury bug because injuries. Real their chances. We know that. But are we going to ignore father time and i know what you say. You all don't commit tom. Brady's brady's forty something he's already proven it. He did it last year. So let's take. Tom brady out of this discussion. Let's talk about the reason why they really want it. They want it because their defense. Will i look at their defense. The defense is loaded with thirtysomethings. Jason pierre paul and don can soup when you think about labonte david. All those guys are in their thirties. How long are they going to continue to be able to play a dominant level. All of the piece of the puzzle fell into place last year. doing that. playoff run can replicate it as all talked about. Are they going to be satisfied now that they've won it when you get older. Are you little more motivated to go to the gym or are you ready to kinda check out. You guys are talking about the fasting. All those guys going to do to intermittent fasting. Are they gonna be hungry or are they going to lay. Rocky bellboy. Window suit soon. Just don't know how this team is going to handle it. So i'm worried about other time finally tracking them down not just Brady but i'm not mad at it. But let me tell you how i'm currently dealing with father time and tom brady and perspective but he you know when you gotta wake up at four thirty. Am either four flight for work something and you know you got that alarm clock set. You go to sleep at a reasonable hour nine pm ten and you've got your alarm clock but know who said it but wake up at three. Yes that is me break. Four fifty four twenty six. Like you keep waking up alerting yourself for something that father time is going to alert you of alarm caucus go ring so start checking for it. Just wait till it goes off. I stop checking for father time. Tom brady's falter. I'm just going to see it here. It like the law and when it happens it happens. But i'm going to stop anticipating get because he entered the patient will give you anxiety now. I'll say this. I do think there's one team in the nfc particularly they can stop the buccaneers. And that's the los angeles rams. If in fact they are one piece away. F- we want to believe sean mcvay who's made the playoffs the last four seasons and showing up with the rams if we wanna believe him and believe that jared goff was the limiting reacted well just got a fringe hall of famer let some people tell it and matthew stafford what we do know as far as arm talent. He's top three in the nfl. He might be number one as far as exclusive arm talent so if in fact he is the missing puzzle for the rams then. I actually think that's the team. Everybody needs to watch for rams number one scoring de number one total number one past number three rush defense. You got aaron donald upfront. You got jalen ramsey lockdown on the outside plus you have a quarterback with the second best offensive. Mind in the game. And sean mcvay. I think that is the only actual tangible team and physical peace in the nfc they can stop. These buccaneers go there. That's that's a completely different segment. If we're ready to anoint. Met matthew stafford as the next level. The guy who has zero playoff wins. He's gonna knock off. Tom brady completely. That's another loans emits. We will say this about the buccaneers. The buccaneers if everything that appears to be in place to make another run however there is a team out there. They struggle with in the postseason in washington football team. I'm not saying that ryan fitzpatrick is an upgrade. But i am saying this defense. They played against last year with chase young and those young up front. They gave them problems. So maybe just maybe if they see that washington football team again. Who doesn't have feared not intimidated by the tampa. Bay buccaneers. maybe that's the team in the. Nfc can do it because the rest of the teams. I don't know. I think you have to wait for by the time to knock these guys down. Not only tom brady but at defensive line that was not everybody else around in the postseason. Best the only squad. That's the only person that i can see knocking them off in the realm them going back to back man. I was so blessed to grow up the way. I grew up because i was told it was highlighted to me that everyone will walk around with a fear of failure but was not being told us how many people have a fear of success. And it's interesting listening to y'all y'all are well it just it super successful human beings that i love but day or you're scared of this success like y'all just getting in your own ways father time go through and they in their second hold the other teams the same damn teams. We beat up your also my momma my daddy. My grandma. my sister told me don't have fear. Success let me talk about what that looks like for this team. The same team that went eight. No down the stretch remember. That didn't lose a game at the start and seventy five the same team that had to go out there and beat up on some of the foles seen before now. Let's talk about that. Remember when they played the saints week one saints caught on what sucker punch super gaffe and then the space is like. Oh we don't withdraw. We'd come into your front porch style right and the log. Grandma will look at. What the house whose own buddy. Hey grandma looking at like you go out there and fight the wars and did a say squared up on that again in front of his grandma and then they said okay. We're going to see them again. And this time we're going to get him and did they get him yes they did can't say cheese cassidy didn't even come with the sucker punch. They just walked up to him and then they were like. Oh we'll see you again to and when it mattered most in front of everybody you saw that red honda in that alley come back. That does what they do. I'm telling you ice skate. A nothing. And i'm not even the super bowl champion. Tampa bay buccaneer. But if i was on the squawk no fear of success coming up. The bronze airings is the four time champ. But he's still heavily criticized. We'll tell you if the king gets too much heat desk next speak for yourself. You're watching speak for yourself. Marcellus wiley up here homeboy over there. Let's get to the nba with bronze and could be out for up to a month but that does not mean. We can't talk about his resume to king is a four time champ on three different teams and is in the goat conversation but despite all the boss still faces a lot of criticism his rival draymond green had a lot to say about that. Take this scene. If i think who is good most beatdown athlete of our generation. And probably of all time the athlete that has took in the most taken the most criticism is lebron. James got to bring in fox. Nba like the bucur but auto has taken too much heat in his career. Absolutely lebron might be the most underappreciated athlete of all time but lebron james's criticism is just a microcosm of macro issue in society. We take things for granted. We take the heater for granted before it gets cold. We take having no traffic for granted wins to traffic on four zero five. We take things in our life for granted and lebron. James is no exception of that but in a league for eighteen years has been to nine out of the last ten finals. The only time. Lebron james wasn't in the finals in the last decade was when he was injured. Must i remind you all it is hard to get a ninety on a test and lebron. James is getting a ninety of going to the nba finals in the last decade. Now to talk about lebron james we could look at him in isolation right. I really only see one criticism of lebron james. He doesn't have killer instinct because other than that. He is the best player to ever touched a basketball. I mean he's a better passer than michael jordan. Either better rebound within michael jordan. He has more points than michael jordan. But he doesn't have the same killer instinct as michael jordan sell slick rick people at home. Our biggest criticism of lebron. James is this. He goes to the finals a photo our biggest criticism. What does our biggest not on. Lebron james is that he goes to the finals and loses so if our biggest criticism of an athlete is his appearance in the biggest game of his sport than what type of criticism is that. I will end my first lap. not with what. The brian james has done for himself. But what has lebron. James done for other people because that is truly a mark of a man's greatness is what they do for other people. The bron james has turned erik. Spoelstra from coach got out of the first round twice to a coach was won a championship twice. Lebron james turned. Chris bosch from a person who never made it out of the first round to a nba. Champion twice brian. James turned kyrie irving from a person with one playoff series win to one nba championship. Lebron james turn. Kevin love from a person with no playoff appearances to a person with four championship finals. Appearances and one win. Lebron james turned frank vogel from a video coordinator to an nba. Champion head coach. It's not just what james has done for himself. What has lebron james done for other people while solidifying own career. He solidified the careers of others. There was a lot of smart stuff. You said logical stuff you said at the very beginning but you started on the wrong track. No he has not received more criticism than he deserves and that whole soliloquy that you just gave us is exactly the problem. If we take the critics versus the proponents the apologists the sycophants and you ask me. Which army is bigger. It's not even close. No one has ever to. My knowledge ever criticized what lebron james has done. The criticism is what those proponents and apologised and sick offense. Want us to believe it means. That's where it goes off the rails as you just eloquently misspoke. That happens all the days that were he did for all these other people and not acknowledging that he didn't know how to win a championship or play in championship form until he went to the miami heat and played within that organization and played next. Dwayne wade. Don't don't hide from the fact. That dwayne wade handed him the keys to the car and showed him how things had to ultimately gets done mavericks. Those funny go or get my bill. He's not criticized. He's criticized for the words that don't match the actions. He's criticized for hash tagging just a kid from akron and yet answering his phone king or when they're maury tweeted out on china saying that he's misinformed and uneducated and then making a mess of it lebron with his response on what it actually. He does everything to draw attention to himself. Which in itself is to invite criticism of ood so this idea that he is criticized more than he deserves his lauded far more than he's criticized so i just can't look. We usually have a good time on this show. And i'm usually pretty happy. This makes me angry. This is the kid who does like continuous continually screws up and then goes. I can't believe you guys are mad at me. Why are you mad at me. It just drives me crazy. Wow i love it first of all. But i'm ready to see this me things that drives me crazy slick. Don't you dare for one second fixture or lips to try to say that dwayne wade was the bigger conduit of success to the heath championships than lebron. James must i remind the nba excellent slick rick himself that the three years prior to lebron james joined the heat. They didn't go to the playoffs. They lost in the first round. They lost in the first round. Lebron aim shows up. They go to the finals. They go to the vinyl vinyl. There's one conned with to that ultimate success that the heat had and it is lebron james. Oh he's not credit. They changed that whole team. But chris the name chris bosh prior to that. Who i told you. i'll let me get us. What twelve eight and likes six flick. Jawan jay slick spoelstra will likely go into the hall of fame will likely go into the nba hall of fame exclusively because of lebron james exclusively. A head cold. No way to get into the hall of fame. Because brian was lebron on the team finals last year he he was he took the team that was like the four fifth seed that you're talking about that air exposure to who's only second to steve kerr in total playoff wins. Why alum coaches that. The eric eric go back. Don't say that he was good. Lebron james ayers ultra couldn't even smith isn't that the second round of now that the second round the erik spoelstra bron. James wanted to get fired. After i got there and pat riley said now. We're not going to run this. James took my dad to the finals to took tai loot. Took frank vogel finals. He could've took you to the finals. Meet to the final sell to. The finals viewers watching the show to the finals. Lebron james then meet airs pollster. Let's not get it twisted slick and that's the problem. This conversation is a problem with the question. There are still doubters of lebron james's greatness slick rick you're proving yourself to be one of the doubters. The bron james has not needed much of any one and marquess sides. Lebron okay this to the dentist car. I have to choose slick rick. You won that one one. Because i'd never seen acho crumble. His paper and stack is taper same. Take which means you got them all over the place. Did you want the paper. Was that okay. This is what i gotta say. Don't even know what mine is going to lay in. But i'm just telling you what i felt when i saw this question. You've got a hot over here sunday. Church okay draymond brought this on so we're gonna talk about draymond and the broad word. This is going to go. I think that the brand doesn't take too much heat. I'm gonna use words to start off my take. If you want to avoid criticism say nothing do nothing. Be nothing or in this situation. Lebron's as be careful. You are everything so guess. What's coming your way a lot of criticism but let's not confuse that criticism with hate because there's not. hey because if it was truly hey. It was stopped. Lebron and it is not stopping you dislike and slick. Rick pointed it out and terms of some of the things he layered but also. I wanna point out that some of these things just lack perspective. Let's start off with. Why lebron james get so much attention so much criticism so much dislike. It's because he's the first superstar of the social media era. Let's just be factual about this. And we come from. Net is one. You're going to get all this attention. Because we didn't know what jordan was doing exclusively between games. We didn't see him in his kitchen hanging out and filming his entire family. Like we do lebron james but also at the same time they're social media took off the bron. James demand was the disruption of traditional media. And i saw this. At first the reporters were fighting for relevance auto. Reporters are sitting there. Oh my god what do we do so you know what they ended up doing. They started to say you know what let's be. I instead of necessarily right in these situations. What's starting to happen with these reporters. Is they started to go. Let's be about sizzle instead about substance and the bronze as has benefited tremendously from all of this dislike. Let's talk about it. Factually forbes top celebrity one hundred list of twenty twenty you know. Lebron james is hired then to wayne johnson dirac. Yes i said it. Lebron james so none of this is stopping the bron james from any of his success on the court which you guys debated but off the court as well. I after item. That points out will lebron. James is doing lebron. James was able to catch or close the gap between him. Michael jordan faster to anybody could an nba because he us all of this conversation about him as a jetpack. Few to be who. Lebron james is so short guys. I'm sorry i couldn't jump into that fight. I just don't like when people lose perspective point also don't like when the bron james comes out and says i'm scared to leave my house and then i'm like here but you also your house was security detail. You can't get twenty feet close to you unless you want them to. So it's like that's where people are like lebron. The kid from akron is also like fifth highest paid athlete in the world and already on billion dollar deal so when we try to reconcile lebron james because of the ties. He talks about himself sometimes. It doesn't add up but lebron has to understand is what is criticism. The cost of praise is just simple. Anybody else and you make a good point marcellus that he is the first and the social media as the first superstar in the social media age. But he's also he's utilized social media more than maybe any superstar. So when you're gonna put yourself out there you're going to invite that criticism now. The biggest issue i have with draymond statement is first of all. He was introduced as a rival. He's not a rival. Maybe once upon a time he was arrival. Now they have the same agent their business partners. They're boys. This isn't coming from somebody. Who sees lebron at this stage as a rival or competitor. The other part i have with it is just the lack of perspective. Yes that is the biggest problem. He is the most beatdown athlete of our generation. And maybe all time colin kaepernick. Hello mohammed ali. Hello jackie robinson. I could go to mock douro of. I wanted to but the reality is. This is part of the problem. This is a this is the heart of my issue is that there's this reach to make lebron something bigger than he is. He's already big. And i appreciate that but the second you try to inflate that i gotta go hold on a second. I've seen this. I've read about this. I've watched this. You can't sell me on that. Because i've seen the difference and i know the difference man are you don't mean man i call it a victim mentality even if you don't think you victim yes i head up is victim mentality because they love to focus on the pain but not the game. So lebron wants to tell us all the ills or in this case draymond auto emails that come from being the bron- and he's always getting beat up on and all that and then i'm like okay. That's fine this balance that out this talk about the conversation. I've seen lebron out. I've talked to lebron before who it is not a shared experience. This is say that hit man is living high on the hog. And all we want to hear is the ballots as slick pointed out the perspective in this situation so the benefits of the so-called hate is really thinly veil love. Everybody loves the broad jason much that he becomes the point of conversation like he does so often on this show otto. I'm a remix what you said earlier. No haters no hype. Okay it beast alternative right. No height no haters. You went into much man to be out here. Always saying that or somebody else's saying it for you in this situation because the me it doesn't add up what a sounds like. This and i heard this once before. But it's never rang more true than now. Lebron james doesn't have haters. He only has fans in denial. Slick rick the fan in denial currently or fifty minutes marcellus wiley fan. Only in denial these last fifteen minutes so interesting. Though that lebron james and draymond they go from rivals two boys and over the course of this conversation. Slick rick and i have gone from boys to rival. There's always another day. Repellent got paid a lot. We'll tell you if the cowboys let him hit the open market next weekly daily w say ballast back up the brings truck to keep dak prescott our quarterback. He signed year deal worth one hundred sixty million dollars. I don't earn an nfl record. Seventy five million next season now. Pro football talk asked if the cowboys could have gotten a better deal if they waited saying with the reduced salary cap would have been tough for other teams to outbid dallas. That kid free agency our guy. Bucky works as back with us or marcel. As you Purse so the cowboys have deck at the open market now open market. Who did you write this question so now committing but did you write this question. No you commit to what you love what you want. Should i let annemarie going a few days to just see what's going on out there and new streets hail. Nah should i let her go to the nba. All star out without a ring just to see what they talking about them damn decks to say jobs around their servery up. What are you doing out here. Free nuts committed. It ain't happening so now. This is what you do in my generation. That's what you do when you jerry jones. You commit exactly to what you want and what you want is dak prescott. So i got a couple lines here. Do not necessarily while eason's but it's time to start preaching your acho. Don't take dare when you care. How are you like that after a little bit. Let them choose something. You don't want to lose w to kufa school and up the yes. Yes jerry lila. Nobody annemarie and that's what you do you commit and you give him what he wants. Because you know you're going to get it back with I'm not terribly mad at your take on a little upset by the cowboys. They should've let deck at the open market. And it's very simple as to why if you were going to pay dak record breaking money then at least let him force your hand to pay him record. Breaking money cowboys. Y'all ended up in the worst case scenario anyways as it pertains to saving your money which has to be one of jerry. Jones secondary objectives first objective. Keep the players to help you win the game but cowboys you waited too long to pay dak prescott which is why you had to pay him so much. And then you didn't wait long enough to pay dak prescott because you didn't let him hit the open margin so you're timing was literally as bad as it could be when it came to signing dak prescott in regards to fiscal responsibility at least so let back hit the open market there are truly about four teams. That would have been interested at least interested in a manner to compete financially. You got the denver broncos because they're can't draft early enough but there's still a quarterback away in minds the washington football team mcgann can't draft early enough but still a quarterback away and their minds. You got the new england. Patriots can't draft early enough but probably still a quarterback away in their mind been so there are only a handful of teams. That could have even been in this kind of manner for dak prescott but even had they bid jerry jones you would have been in the same situation paying that prescott record breaking money. The number one rule in negotiations do not bid against yourself more otherwise stated do not negotiate against yourself. And that's exactly what jerry jones did and he took the l. while dak prescott got the. W i i understand what you wanna do in theory and if you want to save a couple coins like this great to put them out and let them get on the market. But here's the reality of the situation you have to evaluate dak prescott. What versus what is available. I was available on the free agent market. Where you excited to start back running back with andy. Dalton what about james winston what about ryan fitzpatrick or any of those guys upgrade over dak prescott. Answer for you know. And then when you think about the quarterback classes coming in are you in a position with the tenth over a pig to be in a spot where you can get one of those guys. Can you get. Zack wilson just feels and lance. And even when you do that are they upgrades over what you have in depth dak prescott today this year. And so when you're jerry jones and you're assessing the landscape you don't have an option you have to ride this out with dak prescott. Because he gives you the best chance to win and unite guaranteed to get another player. That is gonna put your team closer to having more success than fresca would next year when it comes to be in the starting quarterback on the couch. Oh yeah. I'm glad you brought that up because i chose man. Damn i know you a gambling man. But you just a risk taker. You're not even a gambling. You're not even give yourself good is i. Don't know what game that is in vegas but damn that's also likes to play. Where do this is already had that prescott for years only cheap look at these one million in two thousand sixteen not hundred thousand six hundred and thirty thousand lower two point one eight even make an sf money up there playing for the dallas cowboys. You already had him on a cheap and you weren't excited to go out there and take a risk in case you lose that prescott. Were you gonna do tyrod taylor you pumped on that. You won't joe. Flacco wire fitzpatrick. The names set. Alex smith like come on man. What are we taking a risk for or to get unknown from the draft and hope he could be partly as good as dak. Prescott is man. You'll generations just different. I'll show you can't be scared to show love. And i know you're scared to show love because that's why stop going out like i used to go out because the music was whack one because i like it is because dale you try to have fun and try to show up so when i go out with y'all this what i see sitting some couch at your table looking at y'all foams i'm like dammed up when i used to go out. Sweat tower dan for edgar. Do and i'm hollering. I'm letting you know. So i look into is what i love and commit to it. I love you anna. You looking at phone out. There's this wiping and take risks unnecessary risk. Jerry made the right choice now. Nine what to do ain't trying to catch the case. Marcellus not a risk calculated cost. Cowboys weren't going to take a risk. They're gonna take calculated. 'cause i brought this up before you remember that movie hall. Pass the fellas having beef with they wise so otherwise wiser like you know what take a weekend take a week. See what you can get the end of the movie. They ended up reuniting and they valued each other even more because the men took that week and they said you know what i know now there for me. Let me just go back home. Where i'm really love. That's all would have happened with that prescott in these cowboys man. I want record-breaking is that hey see what you can get. Oh you wanna go to bears and play whereas code and organization. That historically hasn't really developed quality quarterback. But you want to go to washington the team. That ain't got a name. You really wanna play for bill belichick instead of being in dallas is that what won't deck. He would've looked around. He would've searched all over and realize the one troupe team the one true city the one place that could maximizes ultimate affection. Is the dallas cowboys. They wouldn't have been a wrist buddy. It wouldn't have been a risk so it would have been a calculated cost and worst case scenario. The dallas cowboys would've ended up exactly where they are right now. Spending the same amount of money. The difference is both parties would have had a greater appreciation for one another. I mean the dallas cowboys should have had a greater appreciation for prescott. Anyway marcellus outline. You may two million dollars on his rookie contract. He started for four years. They saved about eighty plus million dollars. Having a quarterback. Play on that deal. That was a fourth rounder. So they needed to do right. Just conscious wasn't sitting right on them to be able to take advantage of that prescott for the years and they've been able to take advantage of him having him at a low cost deal so this was a situation where jerry jones had an opportunity to see what life look like without dak prescott. He didn't like it. It didn't like when he saw those other gas throwing the ball around. And this offense there was high power when deck prescott was at the controls. Didn't look anything like that. Without dak prescott so revenue run the risk of losing prescott. They pulled it up a little more money. So yeah it cost a little bit more. But now they know in their mind. They have a top quarterback. And when he comes back this offense histogram running and give them a chance to be competitive not only. Is it a playoff team. But maybe it's a super bowl. Take thank you then. I'll show good lord it'll be dangling you'll love out there the streets and just to see what happens so you can show me improve. Your love proves you care proved that you appreciate this situation like also hit me fast five debit when i had to see the read right for the nucci main out there are going to lose meet some deck again and next time you wanna tell me the end of a movie. I haven't seen. I say you ain't gotta do your take on through. We get the point coming up. The eagles just added another quarterback. We'll tell you. Joe flacco in philly will be good or bad for jalen hurts. That's next don't speak for yourself. Quarterback depth chart just got a little deeper and billie joe flacco signed a one year. Deal with three million dollars and he's expected tobacco jalen hurts with a super bowl champ. He was winless in four star jet. Last i was one in three of the eagles starter but the team has not made it clear to have the same role moving forward. Who was actually to. Don't do that with the joe. Flacco sign and be good or bad for jalen hurts and he was only down three in that game it was established this where he was one in two then dot prescott was one in three not two and three andy dalton came in and won that game so you figure out for the rest of the time on this show jalen hurts. Went into or one and three. Oh you mad. I just wanted to. I like one. Okay bet so so dak. Prescott was one in three lash. I like the other way both ways. Joe flacco be a good fit for jalen hurts. He'll be a great fit for jalen hurts and the nfl. The biggest thing you need in a lock room is a clear delineation of roles and responsibilities period. You don't want any ambiguity. As as to who's in what role. I remembered chip kelly gifts to philly. My well my first year areas in philly but sam bradford gets to philly chip kelly's third year in philly but it was weird because marcus mariota heisman winner who came out of oregon. The same oregon. That chip kelly led to a national championship. Years prior is supposed to be one of the top two picks so we have quarterback sam bradford but we all knew thanking. You don't fit and chip. Kelly offense there started to be murmurs that we were going to move. Sam bradford to the tennessee titans the number two overall pick because they wanted a quarterback emerge going to get marcus. Mariota merv the locker room. We were confused. We ain't no whore are quarterback was like. Is it going to be saying we. Don't try to trace him. They get marcus. Mariota chip trotter front on us. He was like i'm the he's like. Sam bradford is not a chip to get somebody else. I'm the only chip in this building. And what. I realized that that moment you have to have delineations of roles and responsibilities that year. Call it coincidence. Call it a plethora of things chip goes from ten and sixty two prior years to that year six nine before being fired in philly. I've say that whole story talking about the eagles team to say joe flacco is bad enough that no one will want him to take over for jalen hurts at any point in time. He's six and fifteen overs. Last twenty one starts in the last three years. He is bad enough that nobody will say put in flacco jalen hurts starts to no one ford. But he's just good enough. That jalen hurts gets hurt. Joe flacco might keep for a game or two maybe three games. You might keep you at five hundred you might go to into over four game stretch. One and three he can do something so flacco. Is the perfect backup. Because he's just bad enough to not make you want to yank jalen hurts and pull him out but he's good enough to keep you afloat if jalen hurts ever gets injured. So i'm with you. This is good for jalen hurts in this situation. Because you've got a real man in the building in the quarterback room which you would a new year new first year head coach. Your uncle is your quarterback coach. And now you don't have to deal with carson winston what comes with carson wentz what cultural carson wentz before it was one hundred and twenty eight million dollar price tag which meant basically as we played the game. He had more swayed and he should based on his plate dude's making money he was. Sorry because you can't even tell us what you really feel and then when you do you know there are gonna be repercussions because he got the money. So now. you're what a guy that joe flacco. Who's actually help you out. He's going to tell you about his road to success. He's gonna talk about his super bowl win his super bowl victory and it ain't gonna be in a sweatsuit were carson wentz. He don't tell you how it happened on the field a grown man thirty six years. Oh and there's no future whip joe flacco so there's a comfort that comes to you if you're jalen hurts because carson wentz has gone and i got a real grown man who's done something in this league in the building that said are you a fan of mc breed. Recipes breed is. Okay good all right here we go. We will have a long weekend with kobe's over we go all these movies and all these rappers ain't no future in your front and is the song. The ain't no future in front like joe. Flacco is fixing anything. Joe flacco is a life preserver. In case things go wrong in any circumstance. Throw joe flacco out there but he is not the boat. There's not the yacht. He is not the ship. That is jalen hurts in this situation. So when you need a sounding board when you need some advice you need some veteran presence. Joe flacco is there to save that. Remember what happened with last you. The eagles imploded in part because carson wentz performed horribly that's the surface layer but then what was the contributing factor carson wentz performing horribly carson wentz feeling pressure of losing his job carson wentz feeling pressure of losing his position. Say what you will to some people it gets them going in performing at a higher level but to others that can make them crumble. Criticize carson wentz. If you want to serve that's fine but remember don't make the same mistake twice eagles and they didn't make it to try to bring in nick. Foles they still may. I don't know. But if you bring in nick foles who has a statue with front of philadelphia. Eagles facility lincoln financial field then. All of a sudden jalen hurts southern. Feel comfortable the exact same predicament. You put carson winston your now putting jalen hurts sin i get it but the biggest thing so i think neither neither you nor i spoken about his lack of super bowl before sir. Dr let me still from case they just won a super bowl. So now you have a veteran presence not competing for your job and you to water soon as you come off the field and you tally soon as you can not a threat in a chance that he's even gun in for you because i've been in this situation. I don't know if you have a doggy dog world in the nfl. She does not you have the team. Sometimes you're not not. Let's be reinforcing. let's go here. Sometimes it's like man. I hope he gets hurt. I don't but if you get injured. I'm not upset. And it's not like i'm wishing no ill on. It's hard to happen. And i have to go in there and play. I'm not mad about it. Because i i gotta feed minds to. It's a dog. eat dog world out there. You don't have that from joe flacco. I can't help but wonder if jalen hurts like amen carson westbound man. I don't want him to be like injured but like when nine of like his his chinstrap came undone and he had to come out for play. That's just the nature of the beast is not a problem with nfl players. But it's a dog eat dog world. The eagles don't have that in flacco full support. Man you went there. I'm gonna get some of that too. But i just want to talk. A little more about jalen hurts in his mindset. And how he's been here and done this. One dana was at alabama daily. Hurts guy yanks. At halftime of a national championship game. This brother has intestinal fortitude and a resolve. That's different you know why 'cause one even before that situation he was a winner but before that even winning that alabama recruiting class every year. Sounds like this. Oh we have the number one. High school quarterback prospect ends a world coming to one of those guys and finally took his job. This is completely different but even then the harsh was still out there. getting his. he's not the type to look over his shoulder. So i just wanna make sure we don't make jada hurts have to be the guy that's protected. Sounds like based on his history. He could do it himself. But you wanted to be real. It'd be okay you know. I came in the league. I was behind. Bruce smith s took that route by job. Actually they worked that way. But i like to say that i got a son so i'll tell them i won't bruce smith now. I forgot this detail. And there were ties. While bruce hope he don't he get hurt. No no say so. You know the devil and angel. Bruce you hurt so i'm always visit them at the hospital but i am paying his bills and like i'm hoping he gets hurt but don't get hurt. But then when it was my contract two thousand i forgot they drafted in the first round of defensive event. Eric flowers i see him on the first day of practice. I'm in my fourth year. And i'm thinking i'm the man and they know if i bought out this year. I'm gonna be too expensive drafted him but if i don't out then they got two guys that they like i they at practice. I'm looking at this dude. Like damn good. Debbie real good. I'm not gonna tell you to. The first day had to practice. Iran secretly to wasp practice film. And i wanted to act like forget the names on the jersey. Forget one of them guys who's better. He shook had a back surgery. I started off. Slow what did i do one second five games. They're three sex in eight games and it's my contract year all worked out because i bet on myself. Dana hearts reminds me of the guy who continuously bets on themselves to keep corey. Davis says new teammate. Sam darnold is the got. We'll tell you at the jets feel the same way that's next. Don't speak for yourself looking to the big apple. Let's get to new york where there has been a lot of speculation regarding their quarterback. Sam darnold or just are not squashing. The rumors york said they're open to listening to trade offers and they do have the number two overall pick in this coming draft wide receiver. Corey davis to sign a three year deal with debts and he's expecting the cats pass from celtic got. Obviously i'm coming in with minded standing. That know the guy now. That doesn't scare me way at all. I've seen san do great things. And i have to believe in him and whatever direction they decide to go. It's it's it's to to that i'm ready. Let's talk through this shit. The jets view. Sam darnold as their guy for the future. Yes you should. Obviously you have to dress up. His surroundings to see who sam darnold really is to get the most out of him. I look at sam darnold not to. He has a special quality. Not only i think he has special talent. But i think he has a special quality to get the most out of that talent but i look at them and maybe he's just an ace tuten. That's bad class in a school. With the worst teacher. Worse caesar lists the class is offense on what the hell they'd be running out there. The school audits. We know what the jets are and the teacher is adam case. Good so other than chris healy. Whose somehow someway just made his way set because he's a jazz fan and greenie my daughter. What's upbringing what aol cares about the jets me. That's who you why. Because i care about the truth and i don't want a sam darnold to drowned because of his resources or lack thereof. I have not seen any quarterback in history. Lift bums to lift a lombardi trophy. It just happened wherever you want to think about. If you really dive deep into the details resources. I give you a tom brady. And those top. Defenses and bill belichick joe montana when you talk about his offense jerry rice. Don taylor roger craig. Stop playing bill. Walsh i talk about troy aikman and his offensive firepower you know names and the triplets in office. The line who the hell can do it by themselves. But we look at sam darnold in the situation sometimes if felt like he was by himself so the same organization if fired firemen aide who fires firemen and brings it back. Like the for the point. Is you fire. Firemen the only thing going for the jets for so long because this is a bad organization. But they'll get rid of sam darnold like that built around him. Let's see what he got co completely the jet. I what you can get with your number two overall. Pick whether it's trae lands whether it's that wilson it's justin field. It will be questionable at best and marginal at worst or rather marginal at best and questionable. Worst there's gonna be a marginal improvement with trae. Land suggestion fields. Or or zack. wilson. Over sam darnold f s. Best thing will be marginally better at worst. It's questionable if they will be better at all. Okay that's why you stick with. Sam darnold but i so much so fervently agree with your first point marcellus. I just want to give it context for the viewer. Let's look at the adam gates affects teacher. That's the coach. Sam darnold played under look at some other players who played under adam gates and were terrible then left adam gates and they bought marcellus. Uc first name ryan tannehill thirteen thirteen and hundred adam gays a ninety three passer rating. He leaves adam gays. Eighteen eight hundred ten passer rating devante. Parker started wide receiver. Six touchdown receptions thirty nine games lease adam gays sixteen touchdown receptions and forty four games jarvis. Landry y'all know that name reception adam. Gay leaves adam gates thirteen yard reception. Lastly running back kenyan drake adam gays twenty eight rushing yards a game. Lease adam gates seventy rushing yards a game. This is a small sample size of all the people that were negatively affected under adam gays under adam gates. Sam darnold was seeing ghosts. Imagine the freedom to sam darnold without adam. Gays jets fans don't believe the high. Don't think that the second overall pick is going to be some world change. Remember sam darnold was coming out of. Usc yeah but you don't become a bad teacher says is a basketball because they all know who to hire. Let's talk about this school right quick. They hold the second overall pick again. In this year's draft dot lead they stay at the top of the draft to fourteen last year. Sorry five straight. Losing season sorry. Tis tracy's without a playoff here. Sorry christine sorry. Sorry school and that's where the jets are. Don't blame sam darnold. Don't throw out the baby with the bath. Water coming up. James winston said he's ready to carry the torch from drew brees. But we'll tell you. There should be a quarterback competition. What tastes that's next. Speak for yourself. Fast sean payton said his team is set. At the quarterback position at the drew brees retired. But who will start hill three and one as the starter lassie's damis winston only had eleven pass attempts but lead the league in passing yards with tampa and twenty nineteen. Winston is ready for an on the field battle saying quote. I embrace every competition. And i know him as a competitive guys guys. Well okay. santa right things. So there'd be a quarterback competition in the shouldn't be but there won't be because there aren't two quarterbacks jameis winston is a quarterback tastes louis got some is the utility man it's not a disrespect tastes. Them hill is a guy who can do a plethora of things dame as winston can only do one so. Let's reframing aim is your of less value than tastes them through the quarterback takes him. You were other things being real and taking any emotion away from it as simple. If you're constructing a roster takes him. he'll complain tight end. he can play full-back. He can play red zone quarterback. He runs down on special teams. All of these things are valuable. Now make take them hill. Your quarterback you lose four back and lose that tight end you lose that special teams player and you now need to fill one to two to three more roster spots when tastes them hill could play all of those positions so you don't make this a competition because one one is a quarterback once again for context plays a mill senior year in college the lower level of playing twelve passing touchdowns. Eleven interceptions like. Let's put in context while jameson. His last year of college. Winning a heisman trophy one of his years of college rather with winning a national championship and heisman trophy. Some hill was completing twelve touchdowns to eleven picks. So it's not a competition cell. And i'm really going to culminate. All of this by saying tastes gets the most out of your big money guys paying a boatload of money to michael thomas. You plan a big amount of money to alvin. Kamara jameis winston's going to maximize autumn tastes. Them hill is going to undermine. Those dudes alvin. Kamara was only played in one game without a reception in his whole career. And that happened to be one of the four games tastes them with starting quarterback fat. Don't make this an unnecessary competition. No need for it to be dale pat back. You've got to be going to just a little hit him. I have air written exactly what you said. No this shouldn't be a competition and tastes them is a utility man. I have it right here. Show it to you but it's kobe. So here's here's what also said are your utility man your old ass one to you are going to be thirty one by week one. Why is that a problem. Because i'm comparing you to a guy who's twenty seven years young. I'll comparing undrafted free agent. That's only his second team crazy enough. He was undrafted. Went to green bay bought out and still released and became a new orleans saints. Now i don't know who's giving these guys life skills vice but when were you going to bet on yourself you're just wait for drew brees to retired in finding out there and pop well too late now because guess what damis west is in the building and you know what his former number one overall pick. What else is in his five thousand one hundred yards passing. Now you start to shoot at james say but he had thirty interceptions but we gonna roll the dice to see if we could get some of those passing yards and cut down on those same interception. So when i look at i look at it utility man and tastes them hill and i see some positive things from him is still makes me sit back as a fan of the sport or even as an evaluator. Say how come you haven't popped just yet what's taking you so long. Mosley of cats. Who tell me when thirties getting their driver's license. You ever heard somebody say that. I'm saying unless you new york city. What the hell took you so long. And that's the way to sound abdusalam quarterback fell in this something. Something just ain't right coming up draymond. Green says he's the best defensive player ever. We'll tell you if that's crazy talk that's next. Don't speak for yourself chat out. The sweat is green. It's known for speaking of mind did not hold back yesterday. He said quote. I think i'm the best defender to ever played this game hundred percent. That's my opinion. Put myself up against anyone folk. Now drake mine was named offensive player of the year. The gopher marcella to say he's the greatest he's crazy with this. It's called the loses of grandma. Thinks he's something not something that's bigger than what you are trademarks. I love you big dog. That's why you embark the beef barbie. Like i'm gonna tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth will give it to you with tequila straight and then debacle giving you some tequila chaser and chaser is trying to chase the truth. But it ain't gonna never can't you ask what the hell is talking about. Gary payden new akiba ben wallace dwight howard and robin morning. Leonard rudy gobert. All those guys have more defensive player of the year awards there you buy. What the hell are you talking about. Sorry love you not on this big dog. When i'm a zoom lens in on one guy ben wallace. Because you don't get enough credit to me. Ben wallace in my opinion at least modern era institute. Turn-of-the-century is the greatest offender. Four defensive player of the year award tied with only two can be mutombo but beyond that you want to talk about a contribute contributing factor to team success and while pistons beat the lakers with kobe. Jack airy pain and carl malone so not only get better. Wallace winning individual awards but he was on a team with no other future hall of famers. At least not currently stands. Chauncey billips may get in here. No steph curry klay thompson for me. It's easily ben wallace. And that's just since the turn of the year two thousand draymond. Yeah you tripping on yes. We got producer so sometimes they me and sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't maybe this is a little deflection. I heard from one of our producers. Because he's been so bad offensively on other produce say He's the most defensive player every year. poco fox mix.

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Episode 491  Jonny Hates Marketing But Loves His Three Pillars Of Success with Jonny Cooper

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Episode 491 Jonny Hates Marketing But Loves His Three Pillars Of Success with Jonny Cooper

"Everyone agrees bacon. Make everything better even marketing. This is the vacant podcasts. You'll learn to cure your marketing victor internet marketing online. Hi mark is social media tips intact now to help you bring more bacon hall master marketing sizzle brian basilica. This is the bacon podcast. Welcome everybody. I'm your host brian. Basilica in this is the podcast where you learn to make your business sizzle online. So are you ready to fry up some new business. Hey peeps. I am uber excited. I have a phenomenal guest and this person is coming to us from birmingham england. It is late in the day for him but it's early in the morning for me and his name is johnny cooper and the one thing i can say about johnny is johnny hates marketing so he's going to be a very negative person today. No i'm kidding. He's actually very positive and he does motivational things all the time. This man does a a a brain dump and you could talk about that a little bit when we get there johnny <hes> every single day. He's done it for seven hundred days straight which is on please. That's seven thirty five. Excuse me seven hundred thirty five. What do you call it daily brain tattoo. I love that so johnny how you doing great my i do. I always reflect this point one. We're <hes> cross-atlantic like this. Live isn't technology. Amazing hasn't brought the world together. It's just fabulous in it is it's <hes> <hes> and just how it's really shrunk the world you know and it's made us all a lot more connected and it's given us perspective. I mean it's just it's it's fabulous and speaking of perspective. We have something in common. We are both musicians. You grew up playing keyboards because i was on your podcast. We were talking about that and and you do in my thing on music. A lot of people know that but how did you go from being a musician to a marketing coach and the kind of things that you're you're doing now. Well the the the short version. Is that being a musician case. You broke. Yes <hes> so not being a afresh musician. We we have a joke in our circles over here. You might let it the difference between a professional musician on a fourteen inch pizza. What sir the answer is that a fourteen inch pizza can feed a family of four but in the august kind of you know last bomb line. I guess i come. I come say about out of time so <hes> yeah i kinda just tumbled into a career in sales with no real qualifications <hes> few years down the line after that. I'm online to a career in a financial consultancy. I started announce column. I guess my big business success story feeling <hes> what sold out and then just fell into coaching and consultancy almost blackston. You know some of the folks who are our clients in business. Once it contains a hanauer million <hes> let me guide them asked me to guide them disclose strategies their own businesses. Now is just not archetypal general business culture the go-to drive a business tips <hes> so i just to make some changes on morphed into what you see now in the johnny has relatively recently you know going to be done a couple earliest so you started out <hes> the name of your company like my company is be to be interactive marketing very very few people even know what that is. What it means you know they just think of the bacon guy you know and i think of you is johnny hates marketing. What made you come up with. The concept of johnny hates marketing and and how how would you say took off off. They would cause this kind of your bacon well. I i have this. This berry genres thank you. I was guessing on a podcast. <hes> a canadian gaza podcast kaskol podcast bay scott decided greg guy and i'd launch my focus coaching business and i was calling the success party. Aww i thought that was brilliant. Eddie loves a posse and the either he wants to be successful. <hes> i guess what the markets will be different success by nothing to anybody so i was china by this and we were talking s- gone on this podcast what you say that you really like marketing. It's all said nah nah at that time oxy and he goes spoiler. Johnny hates marketing. I went to sit again and that's what it was. Bonia just carried it from tom from the broadcast within a week on rebranded and everything from the success by dot com to johnny isakson dot com and you know i think that as a really kind of good good less than two minutes away the he had just just be one thing and making something fun and intriguing on something speights speech the audience show and people people john group every day with an awesome dr meshes and silent great find your group i hey marketing to an and there is any wisdom and genius beyond them now forty nine. <hes> ignorant is an choosing the language that mcclatchy using themselves. It's an interesting story that you bring up because the origins of this podcast it's funny because i started at about five years ago. Go and it it was born out of conference and i went to a conference and saw this gentleman speak about doing podcasting and i just immediately fell in love with it so i went and registered the name my marketing magnet. I thought em you know it's like that's the name of this so it was my marketing magnet and i did it for about about three months and i got no listeners actually bear in his own way than the success by at least is not completely vague well. It's you you know the success party sounds like you know kind of like a fringe british political party <hes> with a success polity ahead to bring everybody <hes> chicken the pulse. You've watched mary poppins and that's what it's like to me when you said the success party i'm going you know just maybe because of my mind's on politics lately you know but the biggest thing is that my marketing magnet got nowhere and so i was on a call with the the guy who did that presentation was that he was a coach and he was coaching not me on the podcast and finally everybody came to me and said dude. You're stupid. It's the bacon podcast and i went okay so so i changed it to the bacon. Podcast immediately people started listening in a shot up just by changing the name so i i can relate one hundred percent to what you went to the power of coffee opinions yeah sometimes just to you know to close to the forest to see the trees and some of us some of us to stand next to the tree and say i only see one tree. What's wrong with this forest. You just reminded wise l. South mantra one of his favorite sayings you ago enough track. You'd say no. It's not the bucket the wrong tree. You're in the wrong forests. Yes that is good so one of the things that we can talk about. We're gonna you're kind of superpower is the the three pillars okay so what are the three pillars of client attraction yeah and this came out of of my transition from being this kind of general consultant which you wish i mentioned you know working with anybody. Who'd have me doing any job you know. The answer was yes whilst the question kind of thing <hes> from that kind of world vagueness and general ism transitioning to a world of specialism where i now work solely with coaching therapies talent for more than ideal clients <hes> the journey there was really discovering three pills for myself and <hes> you know i i discovered this from looking other globally renowned coaches with manchu people. John lee dumas aspirin a front. Come in good old. Tony you know are kind of thing. Tony robbins <hes>. I i notice world very very clear on on these reports said the first pillar is what they do. You know what superpowers while big transformational benefit they actually bring to the world. Some sensible massive transformation is most the one thing they do. You know there's what wide where to invent them if they didn't exist <hes> and you know my my superpower is <hes> finding ending more ideal clients more easily without height opportunity. Who do i do the best for well <hes>. That's the second pillar which is the who who are the people who benefit the most from why do thud pillow of annie is about product sizing services and i don't believe that any coach shirt treats one to one coaching as their core proposition is gonna rat on the full you before the invasion time leverage in so that does the three-point what is you do who is for and how you delivered preferably product sizing you serving research into regroup. I want to take that and i want to twist and we're going to dig into each one of those. I wanna dig just a little bit. I don't wanna go super super deep into the weeds but i want to go through each one of those and a little more detail but what you've just described is everybody's lincoln profile. You have a hundred in twenty characters in that hundred and twenty characters. You need to describe what you do who you do it for and either why why or how and if you cannot put that and i i'm saying to everybody what johnny is saying right now if you can do that in one hundred twenty characters and fit it into into your linked in profile that super clarifies exactly what it is that you're doing and that becomes a great exercise for you to figure that out because one hundred twenty character sounds like a lot. It's not not now. I i mentioned i you know you've got to get to the point where people you want to work with. See senator later would've as well you know on the on the back of one of my favorite current reads sack. Sack marketings. New book called the moxie <hes> and on the backyard. Let's just wonderful phrase which resonates with mehta the core he says people people like us do things like this and if you follow those three pillars what can out defining an and funny way to i want you do who he's you can deliver it. Then people you want to attract. They're gonna look at you. Gonna say people. I work with people blue johnny right so out of those three pillars. Which ones should we start with and dig into. It gives us a little better definition of that pillar. Which one do you start with the first one the wate tease you do so many coaches and therapy sewage spectacularly good at what they do. <hes> i really batted defining this <hes> an eye test my little community from time to time with you know we're kind of really paddling gauge from post like you'll question the morning i said assistance to them few weeks like what what is the massive transformational benefit you bring to the world and you know there's such awadh range of answers but most of the move like crushingly vache disappointing saying things like oh you know i help help people find their symphony right which is just kind of what does that even mean who gets up in the morning and goes shell lost my symphony. I need some now my fondness infant you know it's just nonsense isn't yup but you know this is what they still at his cats an inner saying things like <hes>. I hope it will get unstuck squad common sarpi thank you because they know with all the glorious skilled in there in the tools in the toolbox getting things n._l._p. Time on therapy hypnotherapy you know they can help people get unstuck but what what does that mean you know i. I really don't think that's <hes> an internal conversation angers ideal clients now we decided to people don't go in the morning going anita. Anita gallons took right so is there a secret sauce to figuring out what you do it how to say it better well. It's kinda. Just looking at the world through your clients is going. You know the second pella but if he's just not the i don't think well of all things i could do. I action all my she is discretion raisins well. What do you really do for your clients. I think i said what your class really paying for on unpicked saint things not oh hypnotherapy well that is actually what they pay foil what the painful is to move the lice food. He had secreta some change some improvement the one you might feel pain for the feeling you give them not for the chose ero- out in front of them <hes>. I'll i'll give you a brian algae's obscenities <hes> but it's obvious measure you washing machines boxed and you know you got to do to war are flooding through your kitchen itching. You got on the phone bill. Whatever you know find a washing machine repair did choosing a many women. I guess seized or any <hes> any walks in in your lounging the wars flowing through your kitchen and jitterbug out in the lounge and he goes hey. This is a hammer and you know what i've got a monkey wrench and this is the best not wrench and <unk> hobbies tuned in fifty bucks. Look at it look terms beautiful. You'd be going just like my washing machine. Ask how long is what you hear from <hes> and therein lies than hub off aww most probably con describe what they actually doing the weather's interesting right yeah and there's a there's a perfect example of that story story a tell all the time and it's <hes> guy walks in the henry ford's plant and the boilers not working and so the plant the whole sembler line shuts down and <hes> through through the guy walks up pulls out. A screwdriver takes a look at the boiler takes. One screw turns at a quarter turn and all of a sudden. The boiler starts working. The whole assembly line starts going and then he <unk> hands bill to henry ford and henry ford looks at the bill nieces. You're charging me a thousand dollars to turn a screw. He says no. I'm charging you a thousand dollars to know which screw determine how far yeah yeah exactly and their rations on the welder in the in the ship gone yet sure but it's the same story but that's the concept is people don't care how much you until they know how much care how back people don't care what you know until she can. Yes wonderful so just it's not waltzing in it it is it is much more focused on outcome on feeling <hes> you know before i pay a coach any money and i believe me i do i on i am do i. I wanna know what they're going to change for me. You know how he's my life. Gonna be different when i've worked with these. This lady is gone. <hes> comply with hours before hand wash the journey to twitter our journey in a in a in a way that resonates with you know gives gives me the chains. Now i want not not wa- sees is stunned otherwise be fun not gonna come knocking dorling no not at all and in leading by example. Is you always wanna find somebody. Who's more successful than you if you're the smartest person in the room. You're in the wrong room so you always want to fill your room with people that that are smarter than you so you can learn so let's figure out the person. How do we get to the who and how do we figure out who those people are. Who would be willing to turn their hard earned dollars in the something where they feel like they get some value from us. Yeah i mean if you just coach. I think thank you gotta tell you pick and the whole client. Avatar things are funny. Someone the you're gonna enjoy working with number one. Somebody's gonna enjoy what year and gabby mustard transformational benefit from it unfairly majestic broadly somebody who can afford to pay saying don't fall into this kind of therapy aced mindset of healing the world and you know some of some of the tools some of the skills that that the miami mike community loans averse to help people overcome addiction overcoming p._t._s._d. Or something overcoming deep draw <hes> we'll also pointed to the general <hes> but often if someone is really really suffering from debilitating the p._t._o. Stain our alcoholism on drug abuse <hes> oftentimes the charts life you know his product process or the largest phone decrease greece so they can't afford to pay so i. I don't think it's a good idea. This might sound brutal because i'm as sensitive as the next guy you know what i think it's a good idea to build a business helping people who broken and expecting to living from that because one things for sure you know in in the service business now industry your average. You're going to be in line with the jennings of garbage client. If you only what with multimillionaires you'll become a multimillionaire nice. Oh yeah i was just holidays hardwoods right. I'm uncertain implies all the way down the ladder so wet one was on with ecclesia piper. I'm saying to my clients. Is you know i think of an ideal climbing while don't forget the third leg of three legged stool. Show you in your work with shall gonna get something out of it to number three three county afford to pay you saying it's something useful to kind of anki. You're on your client your client abbas starring in the profession you know when the living living wish corral of them together and all you people eight people declared i- professions on lincoln down the eisner's the number one thing they took exactly you can even find people in in groups you know so i think those are the cash fall bits of the of the client avatars somebody ill enjoy talking to people who enjoy working hyun number two number three to pay on the before the visible to you know that are findable. I love it. So how do we get to the the how because it seems to be the thing that's the third pillar right yeah having done the ability still really easy to blow it. Appoint still raise easy to say he's off of vilely. I on the way to do is just to go to the market. Go to the world and say look less out of session yeah as a coach cheeks. She's much charge per out the trouble with that. He's not that you can't be successful doing <hes> mm-hmm well. There's a couple of things firstly robbie simple to competition. If you adjust a therapies to charge seventy bucks now while there are other therapists in in your town and we're going to be charging sixty bucks an hour you know nell sat out in race to the bottom is narrow short competitive so that's the first thing put me about if he'd just selling you time one to one. I think the greatest risk in doing that is that you become successful. I want him but is if you're a therapy singapore practice and you sell your slots my out one to one single people <hes> what was awesome was the most amount of what you could end the week carping probably twenty hours twenty five dollars. 'cause the the rest of you fall a fifty sixty hour working week. You don't wanna be prospect ninety talking to potential clients doing some pipework delineate actress. Go whatever else around you visit. Gospel jerry was awake of some new and work so i'm gonna set a maximum twenty twenty five seventy books now so what you doing that he actually capping your revenue four hundred to two thousand bucks a week now my son in law if he just signed out but it ain't can't either scratching the surface but you're going to be exhausted on you can't exhaust. You're understanding of downtime. No life balancing all that he we don't want to be doing that. This thing is i'm wide. You grow number was left in week. I always say you've run out of time to for. You and i have a mission and core offering. He's one to one coaching out so the third nilo which is harvey delivered leads to creating a program <hes> even a couple progress but one does down the copernican style should be group coaching program where you are <hes> leveraging you time by two or three or four muslim plus on the president of the sign time h prescriptive you know he's potentially light-touch we deliver deliver soviet video aw you can download information you know joe in the province but what did he do you leveraging each time you know and y- you wanna get a look okay and the the the the concept of proximity pricing in sports and entertainment if you've got to get the new ye gets mistakes stays the more you're gonna pay right. <hes> you go to football munch. You know you can stand in the bleaches for for twenty bucks wayne going the directors box. What vehicle in stylings tuna books tried to enter thousands. I do believe that the nira uh-huh clients get you the more they should pay so you know for god's sake put a program together. Give people volume if people experience of getting clone honesty but in a group sethi in leveraging sun fun a bit more money forgiveness charge them a bit less every happy yep and then you you want one offers the v._i._p. Gender contributed forty. Well and i don't mean to take this off on a bad tangible your musician a musician. I'm i'm assuming you've seen the movie. This is spinal tap right. Okay so what you've just described is nigel tufnel saying these. I'll go oh to eleven. You know you can't go any further up and it's like what happens. If you wanna turn it up he says will these go to eleven. You know that kind of mindset. It's you've used used up all your time. You've used up all your resources so i love that. There's three pillars are spot on so number one. You know you've really got to know what you do number. The two you gotta know who you do it for and then you've got to figure out the house so those things are spectacular. I think that lays a great groundwork to figure out exactly how to run your business from a coaching standpoint but i also think it works for anybody in any business even if you do in manufacturing all of that. Is you still have the same kind of stuff. Is you know what do you do. How do you do it and all of those things. There's always limited resources in all of them so people wanted to learn more about you this group set you're working on the kind of stuff. What's the best way for them to follow you. Get a hold of you do those kind of things <hes> ju- just as vice book now <hes> and the johnny is marketing chrysler group facebook search is very very good to maybe topping johnny eggs mark the yang and find anybody else. It's just <hes> i just joined. The group guys just joined the group. That's where all happens and we'll take from there. I've applied community. <hes> i have my my monthly signage burgum qualify attraction blueprint. Which is you know full of july. Were were <hes> opening for for august base week. I've been a couple of people preregister already so sal you know just just as up on the group vice fitness whether or not you griffin's it sounds good and <hes> if people wanted to get a hold of you any other way an email or something that they could <hes> hitch up on yeah. I mean johnny spell without the <hes> so it's not you mean j. o. N. n. y. Woah johnny johnny hates dot marketing perfect. All right man will johnny. This has been a blast <hes> pleasure talking with you. I had so much fun on your podcast that i had to have you on mine and everything was just a man you dropped some incredible credible sizzle and hot bacon knowledge bombs on my peeps with this this theory that you have with the three pillars and i hope people join your group and follow you i do. I going to comment on stuff. I love it. 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374 - John Delorean

The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds

1:22:13 hr | 2 years ago

374 - John Delorean

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So he comes out, and he put it in these what the fuck and all these rabbits come out from behind him. Yeah. And then he's like Jesus if you want to know where we are follow the egg trail, and then you had to pick eggs a whole way. Anyway, that's the story of Jesus. John DeLorean was barn in Detroit. Oh shit. Yes. Oh, yes. His Romanian immigrant father Zachary worked as a union organizer at a Ford factory did not speak grade English dad, which kept him from moving up. He liked to drink John delorean's fatherly sauce. Okay. And getting into bar fights. Okay. Well, that can't punching his wife. Oh, well, now, well, not super light and fun any longer, but got took a dark turn dark turn Catherine was a Hungarian emigrant who worked for GE and Wenzel got violent. She would leave with the kids start taking them for a long time more than once she stayed a year in California with her sister. Wow. So that's a lot. It feels like is over pretty much, right? She finally divorced Zachary in nineteen forty two he moved into a boarding house and became a drug addict. And John never saw his father again. Okay. So he has a fun little ending. Yeah. He's got a great. Yeah. He had a great round send them blacks out yet. Good run. Right. That's cool. John group lower middle class during the depression. He got into an elite public school Cass technical high school Cass tech. I was basically a feeder. Into the three big automakers. Okay. He seems set. Right. Everyone was trying to get into it. Like, if you got in then you're gonna make money at the factory like, you're right. You're killing. Well knows our jobs that will never go overseas. That's right. That's right. But he also played the saxophone in school jazz band. Ooh. And that's what he decided. He would be a musician. Sure. So he got into to Cass tech. And then he was like I'm here for jazz. I like. Here for make them. I just feel the man it's in me. Sure. As is in me. Yeah. Okay. After cass. He got a music scholarship to Lawrence institute of technology. And then he was like I wanna make micro. Liz, that's what I wanna do. Borge graduate. He was drafted in one thousand nine forty three. Okay. He came back three years later family was not doing well. So he took different jobs to help them out. Okay. He finally finished his undergraduate degree a degree and got a job as an insurance salesman. Interesting. He said he did this to learn how to talk to people better. Okay, much. That's why you do that for just talked to people. But but also you could just sell them at sheri-. They really know how to be a natural conversationalist. John got into a postgraduate facility called the Chrysler institute of engineering. Okay. So was their focus. They focus on Ford cars. Okay. It's weird. Name was weird. So the way workers you would work and get an education at the same time. Okay. So you're basically getting a masters while you are working, right? So you and you're making banks so oh, wow. So internship while you're going to school. Yeah. Could you imagine paying an intern? It's hard to it's hard to imagine paying kids in college anything for their you know, the work. John got a master's in automotive engineering K, and then he went to school at night to get while he's working at the factory. He's going to school at night gets an MBA from the university of Michigan. Okay. So that was one of those at Chrysler. He's not a Chrysler long before he takes a job at Packard in research and development. Sorry Chrysler year after going through the school and doing all the sure the business. Nineteen fifty three. Now, he's making the equivalent of one hundred and thirty thousand dollars today this he's like twenty super yacht. Again. That's cool. He lived with his mom until he married. Elizabeth Higgins in nineteen fifty four. Okay. So he's living at home making one hundred and thirty two great move. Yeah. Great mafia, John was an alert away by GM. Jim offered him his choice of a job in any of GM's divisions. So they were just like whatever you want. You can have a job in any of our division. How many divisions? Do they have? Okay. But still this little good amount. But it's not like, I know, but I wasn't. But usually like we have a job available. Right. Well, right now, it's like now, it's just like, yo you eat bolts. Are you in right? Stop crying. Stop crying Ilson. He's eight screws. My other job you. Idiot wouldn't my third job Jesus. So I'll get to eating the bolts doom on food stamps because the three jobs. Well, you don't have any room for food in your belly full, metallics LS cry cry more much much. John pick the Pontiac division. Interesting. Well, we all know funny X still hot car every time. I see a Pontiac. Now, I'm like unicorn. Always turquoise GM was the biggest car company on earth. But Pontiac was struggling it had no identity his boss bunking Knutson. What just happened looking set it bunk? The nice name bunk. Newson bunk Knudsen Kim bunk share? He starts to form a relationship with NASCAR. Don't. Well, a lot of bunk as have connections to ask them. What's right? Yeah. That's one of the biggest names. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Bucky like to say, quote, you can't sell an old man's car to a young man, but you can sell a young man's car to an old man bunk 'isms, I got bunk talk. Yeah. Bug is pretty much the only guy in the car business thinking this way. Okay. No one was thinking about selling cars to young people cars were big, and they Jove smooth and Detroit guys could not imagine. Why anyone would want anything different right thread? They're just those big boats that just fucking you're riding on glass, right? This was known as the Detroit mind. Okay. Became knows droit mind. John became successful upon EAC in nineteen sixty one Bernie became a bunk Yankee game general manager at Chevrolet and at thirty six John became division. Chief engineer at Pontiac. Okay. After work the engineers would test drive. Prototypes. That would never ever make it to a dealership. Interesting. Woodward avenue became a drag strip. Okay. So they're just trying different types of cars that are never going to be any. That's pretty fun jam prohibited. The production of high performance cars that eluded to racing or high speed. Well, yeah, different time. So they would not the goal was really more stability, and dependability and something fun. Right. Yeah. Something you wanna put flames on? That's right, right. And. January nineteen sixty three a memo came out stating Jim cars were banned from racing activities. So they must have heard about the read the after our racing drag race right GM cars had to wait at least ten or more pounds per cubic inch engine displacement. So that would mean they would not be fast enough a racing. Okay. They actually had a formula to wait the car's down. So they wouldn't go. So they would not be fun. Okay. So your parents designed cars now. That's right, right. But John started to wonder what would happen if you took a big v eight engine made for full size car, and you put it into a smaller car. Sure turns out it's a super fast very powerful, very driveable car with the head of Pontiacs approval. John snuck the engine past the GM engineering policy committee by selling it as a package for the nineteen sixty four tempest. So. Cars are going out. And then or you put in an order for a car, and they don't notice that. He's like putting this engine into a smaller car. Okay, which they're totally engine smuggling. Yup. Basically, he's engines mung, he's he's I think the caller heightened the engine sure. In the business shirt. He's pulling a fast engine. Oh, he's pulling a fast engine. So he calls it the GTO package that you go the dealership go I want the GTO package and they throw in. Sit on. So it will be a minute. He he took the name from Ferrari. This is the first muscle car. Wow. They sold five thousand before GM figured out. What was going on? And they're just they're thinking they're just like it's a package for car. They're not no one's paying attention to the fact because it's an edict. You don't put that you don't put that in the car. Yeah. Muscle cars, immediately became big sellers. The Chevy chevelle the dodge charger, the barracuda followed GM invented the muscle card. And then Ford took it over the Mustang came out and sold one point five million in two years. Well, so it's the fucking thing right for defining company policy and creating a new car John became the youngest division head in nineteen sixty eight. Yeah. That is what you do. Right. Fucking furious at your behavior. John, how dare you? Here's you new office and well done really thank you for not listening to our bullshit. Well, that's him. I think that's bumpy. Oh, that's bunk man in the tiger, suits. What does that even mean? Although that could be him that Saint John. Well that says it's DeLorean. Yeah. The that might be that might be him. When he's he's in the he's going to change a lot. So that's why that'll throw you off. So so he's young right for having all this power four, and we thirty six he's still young the position. He's in he became he becomes the youngest division head in nineteen sixty five. Okay. There was a lot of fighting between division heads a jam. And it didn't help that the young guy who broke the rules was now an equal to the older guys who paid their age, and you can see God the guys who just want the car to drive slowly download and then this fucker comes along blows everything out of the water. What does Delury and have for us? Now. He's an equal Pontiac push gem limits on advertising one campaign, they came up with was to embrace Tigers. So thus the tiger suit. That's right headline. But what does that mean in brace tiger dealers gave out orange and black license plates and tiger tales to be hung on tennis on the back license plate fucking cool. That is the first GTO commercial in nineteen sixty five. Featured a tiger jumping out from under a hood. Yeah. By the way, not a great gig for the tiger actor, okay, not an actor actual tiger. And then to make this commercially of to get the tiger in the hood and closed the hood, right? Such do that. They ended up using forty pounds of raw meat in the commercial. Wow. That'll get me in a car. So they throw forty pounds of meat and the Tigers. Like, I do goddamn commercial problem with animals. They don't know. They're filming me. No. They have. No, just like, this is torture. I love the mayton until you get forty pounds of meaningful. Pontiac won the Motor Trend car of the year. Ward next the ad team. Had a GTO jumping a small gully in an ad and the other side, a goalie, goalies, gully, different goalies. Very different. Yeah. Weirder. So the now the other heads of the jam divisions are furious because they're showing like fucking daredevil fresh it. Yeah. And then John was told to find a more responsible way to sell the car and the GM chairman decides Tigers and gully leap will the GM chairman said no more tiger comparison church too, aggressive, right? Three years of tiger promotions were dead. They started calling GTO the great one. And that's. Okay. So back then get Wayne Gretzky now, they're going Gretzky. So now beckon Detroit car executives are celebrities. Wow. Because it's the biggest company going, right? And then if you get that position year super powerful guy just known. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. And John now a yeah. Exactly. Whether I know we go name the jam handle. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody wants to put their heads on pikes. Well, oh. John. So John's a big celebrity. He's a young guy. He invented the muscle car. He has access to forty pounds of meat twenty cents rebel. That's right, go. Go goal ruble. Magazines write articles about him. He became known as the exact who understood youth. Right. He gets the kids. He gets them any remade himself in that image. He quit smoking. Lost weight grew out of cyber NHS dyed his hair, black war turtlenecks, bell bottoms and a peace symbol on a necklace. Okay. So he's a costume shop. We'll Jim is a very conservative place. So that's not him. That's a picture of somebody else. Okay. Jam is a very conservative place. And so it's weird that he is doing that. That's him. This is more. What we're looking at. What is and there? He is just doing some just who this is something from a magazine chest workouts. Wow. Okay. So he's he's just on a bench with a couple of dumbbells to work in the PECS without a shirt on no-shirt. A so gyms very conservative corporation, everyone wears a suit. And then you've got this guy is just doing peck work when John was out of the office. He had his shirt unbuttoned down to the middle of his torso. He got a facelift, whoa. Was an implant to reshape his jaw Jesus Christ. Yeah. He's fucking John. I don't know if he's killing. It sounds like he's got some demons. Yeah. This might be a mental life midlife crisis situation. He told fortune magazine he had reconstructive surgery after going through a windshield in a car wreck the opping over a gully that a tiger in the engine and do it. And then he and then when they checked on the race track. He said he got the rich. I was like, yeah. That didn't happen, right? That's what you gotta do. Or at least. That's what you had to do. Plastic surgery back. Then right. You kind of came up with a facial. Alibi facial alibi? All right. So. So. Reporters. Reporters would come to his home. Like, he would just invite reporters in he wants to show everybody how he's living, you know, accessible to the press he'd drive reporters to work while blasting Jefferson airplane. Yeah. He fake John faceless normal. He talked about the one headed makes you smarter. Are you? Sure your job is. And if I I got an accident as racetrack. Yeah. You look normal like I look normal. I am normal. Yeah. Blunt makes you smile. Then the while emerge. Who? So he'd also talk about the beach boys, quote, French philosophers and talk about historian Peter gays writings on human, misery. He told one report he was writing a novel about nuclear war. He also loved to show off his ads sh say, he's a little Elian Muskie, right? Yes. Right. I mean, it's just sort of like very Lama, especially the way the press treating. Yeah. And he's not he's like he's no longer behind the scene. So now, he's leading into the absurdity of the character that is sort of trite he said, he didn't understand. Why auto execs felt they had to vote Republican and he studied FM rock radio at Intel on the love generation. Did he studied FM radio you ever study FM radio? It's going it's been a while. If you wanna know the kids use study ready, why don't we field FM reporters? Just sucked up what he said. The local press not as taking as the national one paper ran a God. Sponsored article about an anonymous auto execs who got plastic surgery who was it. They never sent an anonymous. John Elizabeth's marriage fell apart in one thousand nine hundred sixty can't believe I'm still married. Oh, I was going to say I can't believe they got divorced now. I can't believe she hung in there with a new John new face new attitude, always lifting weights. He's awesome. Yeah. East eighty awesome. Okay. She sit in for cruelty, and she got the house, and she showed reporters bills from a plastic surgeon in Switzerland that kept coming in the mail, man. That's like you just pay right away one lump sum. You got the money. Yeah. No re- don't want. These Swiss face bills chase near for the rest of your life. That's right. I've been there. John then started spending time in California, not good popular, the mechanics, quote, John would descend the steps from the GM corporate plane with his sunglasses on and his coat over one arm. Ready to party is an accurate description air, dude, right? He dated a Ursula Andress Candice Bergen, Nancy, Sinatra and rock hill. Welsh. Wow. Jesus. Racquel Welch is fairly. Tracked Raquel Welch is an attractive person Burg humans. I'm not familiar with really who's the first one or SLA Andrews who's I think she was a bond girl. She's she's fairly Nancy Sinatra on her. I know. Yeah. Boots are meant for walking. Right. That's. Get something. Yeah. Yeah. So he's hanging out with big stars at executive members. Only nightclubs this is so Elliott musk this is so GM classic, gene. Yeah. Some weeks to California on a Thursday and head back to Detroit on Tuesday. The pretty good sched- one time. He tossed a junior exotic lipstick and said, nah, cheese Sinatra wanted Firebird that color and to do it in four days. Hopefully, so he's getting a little losing in the plot. A little lives in the plot at the office touch. So. So he falls in love again K nineteen sixty nine. Okay. This time with Kelly Harmon. Her dad was a college football legend, war hero and sports caster. Okay, or brother would become known as actor Mark Harmon. Oh, wow. Yeah. All right. So it's a it's a family, right? It's a it's a BelAir rich. Family. He didn't go to it yet. Oh. Oh, wow. Now there. This. This is a veteran. Stupid do. Oh, God what the Doug? Yeah. He's got his turtleneck. It looks like the turtleneck. He's wearing is made from the dog. So she's twenty he's forty four. Do you bring up your wife got a house out of a cruelty suit to your new love? Hey, she's twenty how you know. Are you guys talking about at all? And it's true. The married at the Bel Air country club. John wrote a song for Kelly that the Robert Mitchell. Mitchell Boys Choir saying Kelly told the reporter, quote, I like riding skiing water skiing music, swimming, poetry parties and dogs twenty. Yep. That sounds like a twenty year old list. John start starts driving a Maserati instead of GM car said interesting. He made a number. Why not okay? I'm sure GM was like cool. Hey, John, you know, a Saturday and Sunday or the days off we have we been clear. They adopt a son named Zachary. Okay. His dad had died the year before John's, dad. Okay died the year before throat cancer. You get an emotional story. And after the Ford factory called John and asked him to come pick up his dad's toolbox Jesus. But that's also like Ford being I yeah. Who wins there? The I don't know who wins. But like you're calling the head of a division of Jimmy come pick up or does it still hopefully, don't weep all over them both Kelly and John disliked Troy social life. Okay. They told the reporter they'd rather go on a moonlight horseback. Ride than go to a Bloomfield hills. Cocktail party Kelly start spending. There's other options though. That's it. Oh, you either go on a nighttime horse ride horse ride in the moonlight. Or you go to the Bloomfield hills cocktail parties there's nothing in between. Okay. Just seems like that's it. There's a movie that's all we got dancing. By the way, wasn't Detroit like this shit back then. Yeah. So they were just like now there's a lot of money in Detroit back. Yeah. Same is now. Right. Kelly started spending more and more time in California without John. It's not a good sign. He's the gateway. Yeah. None of this slow down. Johns creek GM the new model Camaro is due out next year, and it was behind schedule and redesigns for the corvette and Nova we're lagging. Okay nova. Yeah. So over the past four years they've been a lot of bad publicity from recalls and other issues, so John was put in charge of the Chevrolet division. It's a big division bump. Yep. By nineteen seventy-one Chevrolet had sales of over three million cars, his division alone was almost as much as all Ford. Well, it's how much he selling. So he's right. He's good. He's good at his job. Okay. But he's also party. Boy a bit of a dish. Bit of a dish. Yeah. In between these flying and his ex wife got a house because of his cruelty. That's a that's a bad word. It's not good. Yeah. So he's find LA's hanging out with Sammy Davis junior. Johnny carson. I love your crazy cars, but take your your cars are so wild. I can't believe he got a tiger in the huddle one of them. That's just nuts is Kirsten. Yeah. He started looking for more ways to make money. He bought a piece of the San Diego Chargers. And he's I'm tried to receiver just a little bit and the New York Yankees. Okay. He was put on a boards of startups getting involved with other businesses really did not go over well GM. He's supposed to only care about is like a one man shark tank like in in Jim world. They're like, this is all you would ever want to work. I mean, he's killing it. He is killing it. So you would think that that would be true. He's making shit loads of money. He's he's very successful. Yeah. But he still wants more Kelly. John split in nineteen seventy two Sada's one company. I did not you wrote it a magazine photographer came to his house and took pictures of John wandering around in the beginning the dumbbells wearing nothing, but jeans hot. I mean, let me get my dumbbells. Yeah. So he's he's kind of making the divorce. Did he marry Kelly? Yeah. They were married. Okay. Remember he had he sang our song. That was I thought that was just like dates six you know, that was that was the marriage. It's a big glam. But but he's like he's like taking the divorce in making it into a publicity thing for him. Sad. I'm walking around without my shoot on. I can't even face my shoots anymore. What do I do? I got nothing just these jeans and a dream. Just the jeans and a dream humble, am I couldn't? Yeah. I look for him earlier, but it can find any pictures of him just shirt, listen Jane's. So. Look at that dumbbell. One. So he said, obviously, John Wayne custody Zachary his friends in Hollywood treated him to a weakened Malibu with three sex workers who looked like Kelly. That's that's nice. That's nice to get three Kelly's three Cal real weekend for the guy. That's sweet that's friends. Call being the nice guy. Yeah. Some friends would probably just wanna be emotionally supportive. You know, you can get gang bang you. That's right. D'appel bangers. Yeah. They'll do that plastic GM stuff. That's in the handbook. Yeah. For sure I'm sure they're happy to hear that. Hey, john. It's Wednesday where you been sorry. I was being in three almost Kelly's all week. Anyway, what new car do I need to put a tiger in. A friend quote. He said, it was the classiest thing anyone ever done friends. So he doesn't know what class. That that was his phrase classy. He also said no one in Detroit had enough classes or something like that. Nobody in Detroit is Lassie as you go. There's no way anybody in Detroit is going to buy me an escort that looks exactly like my wife class behavior that sounds classy Detroit would never do that they're not classy. They don't get it that same year John was on a plane when he saw model and actress Christine Farrar in vogue magazine. Okay. He toward the five page spread out and put it in his brief kid if you're sitting next day, I mean, like he's going to murder. Oh, he's going to murder that model for sure. So quote, I felt a bit sheepish like a teenager with a crush on a movie star. Yeah. You're a fucking weirdo. Putting pictures in your pants well briefcase, but I my briefcases normally in my pocket. I'm sorry. I'm thinking of a wallet. Classic me. So she's twenty two he's forty eight. But he's like this is the this is the hot hot girl for me normal. It's normal stuff. Yeah. Well, by the way, that's how dating apps are essentially. So he's got he's ahead of his time. He's he's got a crush forty year ago with a crush on twenty two year old taken by the way, it's not like you rip out one picture. Sure. You can get away with saying it's the perfume or something you rip out five. You are a psychopath. You remember? Oh, yeah. What do I know her from she she's a movies, but you probably just know him from her modeling. Yeah. I know her from her max factor. That's right. So he's now John is now promoted again, he is now exact czar of cars, he's now exac in charge of GM's North American car truck division. So he's the fucking shit, right? But with all the success. He's still feels empty. Sure. He told his tanks on e. It's right. Been he told author Gail Sheehy quote here. I was spending my life bending the fenders a little differently to try and convince the public they were going to get a new and dramatically different product. Sorry. Does he have car block? He has is that what we're like harmless lateness. Yeah. Right. But he's painting this as like he's got some sort like not block. He's saying like he doesn't feel but I'm not creatively. Stimulated any veterans bending fenders. Just pulling one over on the public again, what gross excess? It was ridiculous. I thought there's got to be more to life than this. And my doing the thing God would have me do here on earth. Excuse me. John is it true? You ripped out five pictures of a woman on a plane. God wanted me to do that okeydokey. God wants to be the jerk off when I'm back in the hotel. John, John, you're on Mike. I know. Well, we're going to end the interview with you. But take off my shirt, keep it on you asshole. Jesus these jeans are tighter than not. Yeah. No. They're too tight for sure tight like V eight engine in a tempest. It's the door fellow Juilliard villa? GM exempts did not like John. Yeah. He talked too much. In interviews the way he dressed was unprofessional. He made no friends at GM during his rise one of his bosses at GM warned him now that he had made it to the executive floor. So this this move put him on the the the the guys like all right, literally. It's the fourteenth floor. He made it on the powerful. Right. So this exact warns him now that he's there he should quote disappear into the wallpaper. Fucking play cool man you made it you made it here on the fourteenth floor. Johnny boy. Play it. Cool. Go live in the wall. John was to give a speech at a GM conference about quality control on how it affects GM's bottom line. Okay. Days before the conference the speech was leaked to the Detroit. News papers across the country. Ran the story. The New York Times headline was quote, Jim warns us executives to improve auto quality, John. So it makes it sound. Like, he's talking shit about the quality of these right? John screamed that he had been double crossed. So a GM GM hired a private investigator to look into it. And in John. I think you're by not more than you could chew here. Right. Yep. Is vast for too much. I wanna know who did it. Well, we're going to investigate the company, and you you know, what let's call this stuff. We don't need this. You don't need to do this guy. We're good guy. It's just a speech. I'm a guy. I gonna take my shirt off. I'm going to lose a shirt for sure that's the first order business of the shirt is coming off and September nineteen seventy-two Johnny John finally met the girl he had selected out of a vogue magazine. Like, it was a menu. He met Christine at a Gucci show. But she was dating another rich guy at turns out someone had ripped her magazine clippings out a little too quickly. That's right. Luckily that rich guide die when he crashed his plane near Santa Barbara. John waited a month or so then asked Christine to lunch for sure you gotta give that time period. And it's also a month and a lunch. Yep. Swath, very you. Don't wanna do a two week and dinner. Fuck you do a month and a lunch. You'll get crazy. You look like a cycle. Matt hide your psychosis. That's right. You do a month and a lunch. John said he quote wanted Christine for Christmas. So he's now the devil. Is that fair? The PI deliberate his nineteen page report on John in early nineteen seventy eight so GM's pretty fine. John's a psychopath. John's fucking crazy crazy. Put your shirt off. I can't I don't have any. It contained quote certain allegations about John's personal life. Okay. And it said the person probably responsible for leaking his speech to the press was John. John course. Jim announces John's resignation in April nineteen Seventy-three the company never said a word about why he left even to this day. They've never said why he left his bonuses were paid. He was put in charge of a nonprofit, Jim ran that way. He could keep some salary. Okay. And given a Cadillac dealership in Florida. Okay. Three weeks after being let go John married. Christine is oh sorry. Yeah. So I was I being too happy. Was our fence. Okay. About the sound. Sense. Jim never said anything about why he left John was able to control the story. Okay. He became the guy who fired GM. Yeah. Right. And walked away from a sesame works. Yeah. Employees fire the business all the time. Right. He's the guy who walked away from a six hundred and fifty thousand dollar job because he wanted to move to Florida with his new magazine wife and his kids. He went on the lecture, circuit and wrote opinion pieces. He was the car business guy and took the old guy old guard to task for their refusal to ensure it was perfect timing as the OPEC oil embargo hit and everyone wondered why America only made huge cars. Right. So he's the man of the fucking our, okay. John connected with the former car salesman, ROY unnecess- whose office was just a payphone at a bar this man, don't you long for those days. Oh my God. It's right. Yeah. Yeah. I'll get a hold on. It's not for me. Hello Roy's Cobb business. Yeah. It's also a bar. Okay. Yeah. No up until midnight. All right. I allow ROY Cobb is this is a lot of calls. They're not another for him. That's the beauty of this, man. Okay. Yeah. We got a bunch of pathetic chips to sale behind the corner. Each concha. Roy. I wonder if we can find him what's his name, ROY Innis. If. Yep. Roy. Oh, whoa. Which one is he see all of them. Hilarious. Yeah. There is it looks it looks like it looks like you answers the phone at a bar like it's his. So so they team up still working on deals together. K a car dealer? Let John bind to his dealership, and then he watched as John ROY just ran up huge debts against the business. The dealer ended up walking away from his own business. These guys five GM. Bullshit, but dealer quote DeLorean uses mystique to put the deal together. And then he puts the rape in. The guy is a demon underneath I tried to tell people, but I gave up talking because nobody would listen I mean giving up talking is frustrating. So that sounds like what the mob does come into business. Then they loaded with dead. We'll taking money out or precedent. It's correct. Carter Clinton everyone since Reagan. That's right, Christine and John were having trouble making a baby. So she visited in New York palm reader and advisor named Sonya. This is not a good idea. Sonia. Put a glass of tap water. Under Christina's chair at the beginning of the session at the end of the session. She retrieved it it was full of blood. What just happened? Bloodless? She put a glass Asari. This tap water put glass, it doesn't matter. If it's from the tat to her chair. And then when she was done other session, the tap water blood. But okay. So I see you can say it sounds like Detroit swatter. Is it depends. But you can see the what's going on. Yes. She's basically doctor doctor. Yes for shoes. Yes. The psychic. This is a this is a person who's a medically trained individual. That's how you know. Now. Drink the blood Chris now, drink the blood, you'll be pregnant without baby. So okay, so normal. She's very good. And she's going what she does. Now. Christina went home and asked John for ten thousand to give Sonia because she was gonna help our got pregnant. So he did it right? By the way. I'll let you know if any of this sounds crazy got it. Okay. And christina's. Sure. Enough got pregnant, sure. Yeah. Right. Right. After they had a daughter. John started seeing Sonya privately. Oh boy. What's wrong feel like he's? You know, being John? So burning people was a pattern with ROY John. There were others like an investor in Phoenix rancher in Idaho. So they're just kind of sucking money out of people while doing all this John plant is big return to the automobile business. The chief stylist of the Lamborghini drew up plans for the DMC twelve it looked like nothing else out there a rear engine car with wing doors and a stainless steel body. It's still is the car that if you see it. I am like oh my God. Look at it. I still can't believe it's exists. Totally. It is like it's like if cocaine made a car. That's right. Yeah. He also wanted to go not a lot of people know that actually what happened was he put a glass of water under his chair. And when he got up there was a DeLorean. That's right. The DMZ and blood. And. A ton of blunt on blood so much blood. He was also adamant that golf clubs would fit in the trunk. Great. So all right. Got a really good car designer. He told us as I engines in the back rear engine like a Porsche, right, right? He told us designers, quote, this car is aimed at a particular section of the market me, the horny bachelor who's made it. Oh god. Yes. As cry baby. Starting a new car company a very difficult. No, independent carmaker had taken on GM and survive since the nineteen twenty s. Okay. So no Bank would give him money because it's just a crazy idea. Okay. In September, nineteen seventy eight DeLorean research got twelve point five million from investors. Okay. People like Sammy Davis junior demand bape singer ROY Clark. Hey, who am I and? And the chairman of a Pan Am airlines and bully. Come for the impression stave the confusion. The money was moved through Swiss banks, and they come always not jaded and then a company based in Panama perfect the two best. But to do it. Go off shore best places for money. The Bahamas involved already. He was supposed to the money was supposed to go to Lotus cars are hoping design DeLorean, but only one hundred thirty seven thousand made it it's a lot that didn't no one notices at the time that the money's disappeared. Because really who's keeping track of gave money. They wouldn't know. Right. So John turns to governments to try to build a factory, okay? In nineteen seventy eight. He signed an agreement to build a factory on an old air force base in Puerto Rico. Okay. And celebrate it because this is a big fucking deal. Sure. At a car company to build the fact sure and then John announced that he got in a better offer from the UK and Puerto Rico out. Okay. Instead he would build this car factory in Northern Ireland in Dunmurry just outside of Belfast. Okay. The land that he was given was between two housing developments. One Twinbrook was mostly full a Catholics who were driven out of Belfast by sectarian violence. The setup any other worry about the other side full of Protestants. So the the factory would be right in between them perfect. And then sign that lease get your get the ink on the lease now. The deal was done by the labor government along with the national Irish development agency, the company we get one hundred fifty million dollars. Okay. So the British and and the Irish are like we're going to we're going to get people jobs. Unemployment is fucking crazy bad at this plant. Sure. Ireland which is also great for IRA recruitment. And just fucking troubles in general. John told a fellow carmaker quote. I'm starting to think that God's stuck me here to be part of the solution to the crisis in Northern Ireland absolutely healthy five -solutely, very healthy up. God didn't God God wanted. Hey, just build your crazy car. I think Amir to help these peop- John Cain to Dunmurry came to Dunmurry to break. Ground on the factory on October second nineteen seventy already broken the ground with bombs, but but as as he a member of the labour party dug holes a chain link fence held back protesters who chanted Brits out and Yankee, go home. It's not it's all fine. It's not welcoming yet. It's good. Okay. Construction began soon after but the Irish laborers did not want to cut down a small Hawthorn tree because they said it was a fairy tree. Who do we root for? Doc one down cheese a fairy tree make the factory here. No, we've just harvested higher according to legend if someone cut down a ferry tree he would lose a limb. Okay. So let's not do it. Let them do. It lose the limb. So all the bulldozers. So they're building the factory, but all the bulldozers and trucks. Everything's avoiding this one Hawthorn tree. Okay. Then all the worker show up on morning, and the tree was gone and the Irish workers said quote bad sign it's dark day. You have wrecked. Everything we're building the ferry tree will see to that. Sure. Okay. In January nineteen seventy nine. And the Wall Street Journal wrote a story out of the headline taking on Detroit. John DeLorean says he'll show industry how to build cars. So the Dunmurry factory opened in nineteen eighty it had separate entrances for Catholic and Protestant workers. Jesus. That's the best kind of factory. It's just feels like it's ripe for problems. John was not a fan of Belfast and was worried he'd be ab- -ducted or killed. Well, he lost the ferry tree. That's right. Once you took on the very tricky all bets are off. It's a tales from the crypt. There were a lot of businessmen being kidnapped then in Belfast, and he told them he told his staff to get him a bulletproof trenchcoat because he heard Kissinger add one Jesus. Yeah. That's the guy you want to be following. Kissinger half. You give me that. He often flew in slept in London instead of staying in Northern Ireland. Oh my God. The company rented two floors and a Park Avenue building in New York John's office had of you of central park. He hung a huge photo of himself. It's always a good sign. Big poster size photo good. He's shirtless in jeans. Oh, what a do sees Christ's sitting on a rock with his son looking at the ocean jump in. And it sounded like the photographer just captured him naturally was sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Right. John took seventy eight thousand from the company to move his family to New York from is right. They found a comfortable twenty room apartment on Fifth Avenue shirt just church to enough for three no twenty. Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Room just understand her person. I think that our bedroom kitchen dining room, spare room weight room, Rome, showrooms, your room jeans, room blood chair room and pictures of myself room, rental yourself pictures of things I wanted to inspiration room. Yeah. Blood blood. But glass room. Yeah. Yeah. I think Kerry treated. Cherry trees, and they stole Lynn land. When you land. Yeah. Your losses leopard limbs. Yeah. Probably Dan, Dan bearskin runs, so accounting company. Arthur Andersen was hired to audit. The business and found nothing amiss. It's time for them to go out of business. Well Anderson would later go down as part of the Enron Enron implosion. Oh, good. Stomping ground, the car company paid for chauffeur's servants cars for Christine and her brother, an art collection and the British you're paying for all of this. So part of the hundred and fifty million they put down, but then Margaret Thatcher was elected. Oh, the iron lady that you had no interest in helping the working, man. And absolutely no interest in helping Belfast, right? John hired. I'm a bit of a bitch. Oh, hi. How are you? Yes. We've never had you on the podcast. I'm not Gregan the lady. Yes, I hate everything about hate you. I don't like shame chamber. It's not funny. I don't like the way you just killed entire towns of human. No stop. And the falcons really oh good. Lord. Get over it. John hired a British Secretary to try to smooth things over the government's. They hired someone who's who's familiar with the processes of sweet, ideally favorite. Don't get me shirt. Hey, it's me Johnny d. But William had dad. One of John's execs said Djaama's losing it John often thought an IRA hit squad was coming for him. And he asks Haddad to put him in contact with Israeli intelligence because he had a plan to seize Saudi oilfield. Holy shit. Those dots barely connect. Good god. So he wants he's worried the IRA is coming after him. So he gets involved with Isreaeli army people in order to take over Saudi oil field. Do it's called being a businessman. I just wanted to cut down the God damn ferry tryst. He kept ask also asking about that bulletproof trenchcoat technology that we barely don't have you guys watch the bond guy. Right. When one of them jackets come on. They're gonna throw hats at me. They'll cut my head off. If we're not careful John talked to fewer and fewer people. There was only one person he really trusted John Sonia. The palm reader what? Damn. I think I thought my answer was crazy. He consulted her before he made every big decision. She took his money and told them everything would be okay, great. What a great gig for like, a psych and the best. Yeah. Yeah. Do that sign this and here and here in nine hundred eighty the American Express Christmas catalog included in eighty five thousand dollar gold limited edition DeLorean. So they they send out all delory. So this send it out on the catalog, and so that you can get a gold DeLorean. Only one hundred or offered hundred people only two people button. Oh my God. What but eighty five thousand dollars back then like you get a portion for Porsche for the twenty is still you would think one hundred people by you're talking like comparatively two hundred and fifty thousand dollar car. Some grace delorean's began leaving the factory to be sold in the US in April nineteen one the car did not live up to John's promises. Okay. It was not groundbreaking Lee safe or as fuel efficient as he said, it would be well he hasn't put in the time traveling device yet. I gave him time. I don't know what the time traveling to s- is it's the flex capacitor. I don't know it is it's the only way to get one point twenty one gigawatt. So that a bolt of lightning to Susan those dude that movie raised me. Okay. So there it is obviously it is quite a lump of shit, even though I would still love to have one. It looks like it looks like a bug. Yeah. Some got it looks like it has must have looked old when it came out people like wait years. Oh, that's that's how awesome. That's how cars look back. Then like, that's like a modern looking. Sorry. Boxy the doors were sorry. Cool. I don't care what anyone says all cars back, then the boxing and lame and okay. So you probably couldn't park it in like a grocery store parking. Why because the doors the doors just go straight out. Oh, they do. Okay. They don't come outside. Like it. Also doesn't have much power. And it doesn't handle very well. Okay. So a lot of good things of you're in at Cleveland auto show got in to the DeLorean, and then got trapped for over an hour because the doors would know pin still he's like better than being inside Cleveland. There's a flaw that really hurt battery life. This Johnny Carson's car died right after he drove it off the lot couldn't believe it. I might be Shammy Davis. And for all this the price is the same as luxury cars because it costs so much to make right? This. It's the exact same price is a is a decent port. Okay. They sell okay in the UK the secretary he hired to deal with the government started to sour on John. And think the things weren't right in the middle of the night, she filled up two bags of office documents, and skipped out the documents painted the picture of a company mismanaging, the British government's money one memo accusing exotic of spending thousands at Herod's on gold plated faucets. Jesus says nine Carson. She's is not good. But it's also very like dot com, boom shit. That's totally what people are doing in the dot com, boom era. The plan was to take the car company public documents. This would have made John one hundred and twenty million and leave people with stock options like execs and dealers close to nothing. I don't know how this shit works. I don't either likely, right? Yeah. It's it's like replacing a glass of tap water with blood. That's right, right. The British government would lose the seats at home. The board which meant it would not be able to watch what was happening with the the money Britain. We get three point six of the company and eight point four million for one hundred and fifty million dollar investment. So the secretary took the docs to Tory m p in London. But nothing happened. Cool. Sounds like the Tories they secretary waited for weeks. And then finally she talked to reporter and the reporter began investigating. But the news of the world killed the story. Well, year eighty one think K. The reason the news of the world kill the story was because we Burt Murdoch ordered them to. Oh, wow. It turns out Rupert lives in the same building as the delorean's. God Rupert said, he didn't know John though, he sometimes soccer Stena in the elevator. So the reporter sold the story to the Daily Mirror and stuff like the Forrest Gump of evil. Right. I would love to I would love to run a simulation. Where you see what the plan is like if Murdoch die when teen? Oh, man. Magic. All be shirtless. So he sells the sort of the daily reporter, and Rupert the guy Rupert the guy who didn't know John DeLorean, then immediately gave John the name of a really tough libel. Lawyer which is weird for a guy. You don't know. But whatever. Yeah, it's just being neighborly. It's like a Cup of sugar in that building. John started working as press connections. He attacked the secretary of the reporter and anyone else who is saying anything the press vote wrote what he wanted fried the press loves them. Right. He said he would sue the reporter and the Daily Mirror for two hundred fifty million factor. Cuts off any more funds. No, you're done. You're cutting off just like all the coal miners in Scotland you're not having any mole you get. Did you eat your meat? He put any contact your meat. No, that's not the song did something like that. That part was not at all. What is that? This is sandy. Just to make in the streets. I'll. I. Measure z pads is. Me mags. Scotland Yard investigating quoth. I'm not Queen Victoria. But worse Scotland Yard investigated and found nothing what is going on. But the damage was done the stock offering had been delayed, and John was everything on the up and up. I mean, no, okay. The stock offering was delayed John's dream of making one hundred twenty million has gone. I mean, he is making cars. The factory is sure shinning, right. The company is now out of money on February nineteenth nine hundred eighty two. Delorean motor cars was put into receivership which means that it's time for them to talk to the people who you we've convinced shoe. Point. It was still functioning while the government figured out if any part of the business could be salvaged. So there's still making cars, but they're just not governance in charge and trying to figure out what the fuck do. Right. The government brought in an expert whose nickname was the undertaker. Oh, good. Good. Good. Good. John talk to the New York Times and said he was quote too. Delighted by the news, we came out largely unscathed. The government has the problem, and we have the fun end of the business. I trust the entertainer. John said, it was going to wipe a hundred thirty million off the company books. The undertaker said that was quote cod swallow up. Oh, yes. Finally someone. Yes. Cod swallow. That's should be spinoff podcast codswallop, split code swollen. Obviously, this is huge news all over the place, right and man amendment James Hoffman was paying attention. Hoffman was a federal informant who got about thirty two thousand dollars in salary from the feds to make cases against cocaine dealers. Okay. He was now watching the news and seeing John DeLorean Delara him squirm, and he used to know, John. He had lived near John's ranch in California K one day, hop and said it was DA escort that he was going to deliver them. John delorean. The agent didn't believe him Hoffman got mad and just kept on the agent. He would deliver John DeLorean over the next month. The undertaker kept trying to set deadlines and John delayed him by saying he had founded investor. And it was always for the same amount. Thirty million at one point the undertaker said quote, surely to God, you could find the grace to vary the figure every now, and then if only for appearances sake. I mean, the undertake going to laud these pride allowed me John went to Sonya and gave her more money. She said to keep the faith. So he knew it'd be fine. Sure. Yeah. Because that's psychic. And Miami said so John was now a doing drugs what he was taking Senegal to sleep and a painkiller that was only legal in Canada. Sure. There's no problems there. He kept calling investors trying to get someone to bite then on June twenty-ninth John got a call from James Hoffman. Okay. He offered to hook John up with investors Hoffman later said they were good friends and John said, they only met once in a drive the driveway. So the two men met in America bar in Newport Beach, and after that meeting the FBI opened a file on John DeLorean. It was called operation full circle and involved actual drug dealers. So he's now part of Hoffman's web where he's getting all these people convicted of rain wrestling, the FBI plan was to get John to buy coke from a dealer to help finance the car company while at the same time getting the dealer to bring money into the US as a temporary loan for John. So that way they can get the drugs and the money that this guy has sure it's a twofer. It's a for John said he wanted to do. Entrap mini the what John said he wanted nothing to do with it. And just wanted everything to end. Oh, no. Are you gonna make him sympathetic? Johnson Hoffman then called and threatened to kill his daughter. Quote, I'll send your baby daughter's head home in a shopping bag as the bag from. Yeah. As a papers, I guess on a plastic then has a paper to paper bag. You got to wrap it in some kind of some tissue. Soak up as that. That's why would you like zoo zoo bars, I don't even know do bars, but I'll do it. Yeah. I mean, or I mean, you could just to like a normal grocery store to love and albertson's one. Yeah. I mean, that'd be one of the class. He wants to have a handle. Yeah. I'm with you. Oh head. So the problem with this story that John says is that the deal took a long time to close. And so these guys are meeting for weeks and months after the call where he threatened to cut off John's daughters head right John hung out with them, and they're friendly the whole time. Okay. So that's dicey. For the entire summer John met with Hoffman and the drug dealer over and over and over they began referring to cocaine as monkeys. Sure. Well, that's a good cover. Let's not Lennon monkeys do that still tracks. The conversations were all taped every on. And no by the FBI guys like in the other room every fucking every meeting. He's it's all in hotel rooms guys and the other. There's so many FBI agents in the next room that one time there's cigarette. Smoke set off a fire alarm God. Also just too much smoke. I know this is the worst part of the story just somebody crackled fucking window. My God an FBI agent posing as a Bank. It was brought in to help seal the deal he tried to convince the dealer to take stock or a seat on the board of DeLorean. But the dealer had read all about the car company even the dealers like. Is that even thing and trying to keep my portfolio on the up and down the end of tick? Yeah. Another issue was the John needed one point eight eight million to buy the coke. Okay. That's how much the coke is. But he has no money. Now, it does he want the coke to us or he wants the coke to take the coke in cells, Ellis street and have more money. She's as Christ. Oh, good idea. But he has no money. So he told the banker then he has no money, and he blamed the IRA. He's like the IRA's I cut in the tree they've really pleased me. Even the John had no money somehow the drug deal move forward. That's the best way. I'll grant I still get the drugs. The banker FBI guy offered to loan. John the money to buy the coke as collateral, John. So he's offering for the drug dealer who is selling the drugs to John. The banker is now working in our he will give a loan the drug dealer. We'll give a loan to John and as collateral John gives them what's left of DeLorean car parts office shit Jesus Christ. So the guy buying the drugs is getting a loan to buy the drug this Manchester United when they got bought. And the and the dodgers. Thank you. Bye. You just get loans and by team so but this is cocaine right? It's different. So Jon pushed the dealer to invest in his car company after the coke was resold to rescue from foreclosure. Okay. She's in return John would turn over controlling interest in the DeLorean car company. What I somehow everyone. Agreed. What you'd none of it makes it doesn't remind especially if you're like am building the comeback for the Deloitte? Do you want to run it though, until then I mean, literally, there is no reason for John DeLorean to be involved in this, right? Yes. The guys giving him money, and then he's buying cocaine with that money, and then yeah, he's going to Walter white a comeback. So it did not Don on John that he had really nothing to offer anyone in the deal, but I made it, but John was not handing over the DeLorean motor cars limited. Instead he was giving up a dormant shell company with no value that was controlled by British receivers. John told the receivers money was coming into the accounts K. So the night before the deal John wrote a letter to his lawyer and gave it to someone to open the way the deal he called him up. And he said, okay, I'm ready to do. The monkeys monkeys that before the deal John wrote a letter to his lawyer and gave it to someone to open if he died a wow. It's it started, quote, I'm going to LA tomorrow to accomplish a minor miracle. I will have induced organized crime to donate ten million to reopen the Belfast plant and when they figure it out. They cannot do anything about it. Okay. Except kill him. Sure. I don't know why that's not part of his equation. But right as John flew from New York Talaih the deadline to deliver the money and save his company pass. So he's really flying in the air when the deadline that the British of set comes and goes, okay? And no money that money. He was coming ten did not come K. So that's a stressful flight, so no money is deposited. Okay. He lands. He basically has nothing now. He doesn't know that though because it's eighty whatever one eighty two phone. He can't check on gets full of hot women. Yeah. He has to go to Bank. He can't because with the two guys doing the deal. It's so they go to hotel room on century boulevard. The banker takes out a suitcase cocaine. Hoffman said it will make John at least four and a half million after its resold. John lifts up a bag of cocaine lamps and says it's better than gold. That's is that for like the next Christmas DeLorean just make it out. Goal. It's made out of cook. Three people bought it. Then an FBI agent walks in the room and says, hi, John. This is all on camera. He's arrested on eight felonies five million dollar bail while he's in jail. He finds God Jesus. He was to cells known he. I met him in the shower. What's up? I mean, God had a weird thing. He's a top. So he ends up selling assets to make bail including his part of the New York Yankees. Okay. He spent that Christmas in Vail follows jail Vale. Oh, interesting. Yep. Different the following summer, Christina and John were baptized in the pool behind his New Jersey mansion, oh my God. That's the best place in New Jersey to be baptized in our pool. I mean that fall someone at one of his defense law firms leak the surveillance tape of the bust to Larry Flint. Oh shit. Jesus. There's a lot of knaves players. So Larry Flint gave it to sixty minutes, sixty minutes. Aired it Tober twenty-third and nine hundred eighty three. So now one of the country she used John delory and buying cocaine. Combing goal, it's fucking devastating. But then because everyone saw the trial was delayed because they didn't know how they could get a jury. Right. Larry Flint, how the press conference at his mansion. Sure he played a tape on a boombox and said it was Hoffman threatening to kill John's daughter. Oh, what the sounds very bad? Thankfully, had transcripts of conversation. But she ends up to the reporters. So then Flint gets called into court, and he refuses to tell the judge who made the tape or who gave it to him or even turn over the tape. So the judge gives them all time to think over. Uh-huh. So when Flint comes back to court he is dressed in a bulletproof vest a military helmet, wearing a purple heart. And an American flag is a diaper. My god. How do I not know this part what? Mike god. He had ten thousand in crumpled up bills to pay his contempt of court fine. Oh my God. American flag is a diaper is quite a statement. So the judge ordered Larry to go down the hall and count the money in a room and straighten it out, okay? Later in FBI agent went in and found Larry sleeping on the floor in the room. Six. Larry Flint ended up pleading guilty to wearing an unauthorized purple heart in exchange for dropping the charges of desecrating the flag. Oh my God. What a compromise. So we're gonna have to plead on the flag diaper, but don't worry about the other judges do I get away with making a boom boom on the flag. Yeah. You are in legal terms. You are going to be vindicated from your 'boom-boom. Well, thank you. So then Larry admits the tape is a forgery. Okay. John's trial started on March fifth nineteen Eighty-four. The defense said all the tapes were produced and choreographed to make John look guilty. They attacked Hoffman as a paid informant. Even the judge questioned Hoffman and Hoffman admitted he would get a percentage of the value of the bus if the judges cross examining, our shady. The banker FBI agent admitted John was putting up no money for the cocaine. A DA DA agent testified that Hoffman had made this all happen. And then he cried on the stand when it was revealed. The government had ordered his mentor to testify and just try to discredit him. Well. Christina sat behind John and support every day. Once the judge admonished her for mouthing, swear words witnesses. That's how you do it. That's how you doing the courtroom. The defense's closing argument was so good at ended up in a book called greatest closing arguments in modern law. Whoa. They found John knock guilty. John shouted quote praise. The Lord Christina left. John three weeks after the trial. Good. What Jesus says she was rooting for jail. She's a goatee EAC aren't going to jail the dealer in the hotel room with DeLorean flipped on everyone and help take down Pablo Escobar and the meeting cartel shit a year later, John was indicted in Detroit on Friday, racking tearing because of all the money that disappeared from investors at the very beginning. Right. He was found not guilty on all fifteen counts in one thousand nine hundred five back to the future is made the DeLorean appears in the movie as a car that can travel through time the movie was incredibly successful. And so the car is now more socio with Christopher Lloyd, Michael J, FOX than John DeLorean. John declared bankruptcy and nine hundred ninety nine. His New Jersey estate was bought by a group who then sold to Donald Trump who turned it into golf course. His daughter Ivanka was married there. God John kept talking about making another car. He created a watch line called DeLorean time they were motion powered and cost three thousand four hundred ninety five dollars. Well, I mean, and you never see someone without one of those. Now that's in the world without the DeLorean time. The motion activated watch each purchase included getting on the waiting list for his new car. So the watchers were never manufactured John died soon. After of a stroke on March nineteenth two thousand five. He had been living in New Jersey condo on social security for a decade jam declared bankruptcy in two thousand and nine. It was the fourth largest bankruptcy in US history. In two thousand eighteen Jianmin announced it was laying off or transferring fourteen thousand workers and twenty five percent of executive staff. Holy shit. That's normal story. I mean, I really thought I knew some of that. I knew he got in trouble. I knew he made the DeLorean. Everyone is tonight. And I assumed that he had gone to jail. Yeah. I thought he'd gone to jail. He didn't. It was totally just falls off the man. It was totally obviously entrapment. I mean. Yeah. So it's total. I mean, it's entrapment on like a few different level. Yeah. It was a fucking disaster. The thing he probably did more reading through stuff. It sounds like he defrauded people and he got away with that. Yeah. Because that a lot of that money like he ended up buying some sort of snow clearing company with like millions of it like shady is the movement of money, but he got away with it. Well, that is wild little tail you've got there, David. I have I have tons of wild little tails shut up becoming well, tell guy don't the club. What club the club were the history club? I am part of a history country club. Hey, we should mention we signed Lawrence. Happy easter. We love you Jesus.

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How to Scale a Facebook Community and Find the Right Manager - Yhennifer Mendes - CFR #491

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How to Scale a Facebook Community and Find the Right Manager - Yhennifer Mendes - CFR #491

"Welcome to click bottles radio where we go. Behind the scenes and uncovered the tactics and strategies. Top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales dominate their markets. And how you can get those same results. Here's your host date woodwork. Every welcome back to quit fellows. Radio an amazing episode because i have my dear friend jennifer mendez with us jennifer. Welcome to the show. Yes thank you so much for having me here. I am so excited to chat with you today. I can't wait so those who don't know unit for she actually is. The person runs our entire facebook community of probably between our community somewhere. Close to five hundred thousand people. In addition to that she happens to be a amazon bestselling author and most recently was is now a certified. Facebook community manager expert says the course and actually was interviewed in worked with facebook on creating content so as a ton of an expertise in exactly what. We're going to talk about today. The most importantly she's a dear friend who has helped our community grow a ton in so for any business owners. Were listening the content gonna be talking about. Today is going to help you really understand the importance of having a community how to grow envy an how to actually scale and manage which have been one of the most difficult things that we've struggled with so let's just dive right in where you want to start. Yeah i mean we can start with our community right. Yeah like the officials clicked on us officials community. Not in there. You should be go. Find it on facebook We are a little over quarter million people in that community so that it's a very large community a lot of members a lot of polls a lot of engagement going on in there when i first came aboard and and and pretty much took over the community managing the community. I was actually a member for two years before i came. Yeah i came from the community as a funnel hiker. Because i am. I'm a hacker at heart. So i was very I guess i was one of those very active members in the in the group. Before i connected with john and the reason how this all came about i guess i should share that story. How i got connected with john Russell had made a live on in two thousand eighteen. He was saying that their team was growing and that he was looking for our facebook ads. Person right so at that time i had just launched my marketing agency social zap and we were offering facebook ads services. So i- message russell and i was like. How do i get in. Contact with your marketing. People like i was loved to work with your team right and he was like you need to message john parks right so i went on facebook and i looked him up a message. John and he's like do you mean facebook as a yes i am your facebook ads rockstar right so i'm trying to like sell myself. And he's like okay. Goto this link go apply and then take this personality tests. And i was like personality. Says i've never had anyone. Tell me that i did personality work so i found that weird kinda cool like at the same time so i did this personality tests and then i waited like a week two weeks here. Nothing from john Three weeks later not from so then. I message him like a month later. I was doing Did you find your facebook ads. Person and he was like We'll try to reach you for like two weeks. I was like i want to check my spam folder and his assistant had reached out to meet for two weeks. And i didn't know you hit it. I did what i know how to do. Passwords send john video. I got on camera but others say john. I'm so sorry. Give me another opportunity. Let's get on zoom call and bowels leg the lead way in and i will saying like a week later. His assistant message me she said. Hey john meet you on his own car. And i said i started jumping up and down record like like a crazy person in my house. My kids are looking at me. Like i'm crazy. And i get on this call and then he tells me. Pc your personality since you such active member community you know. How do you feel about being the mayor. The exact as he was like the mayor of a small city and i was like mayor. Like what are you talking about. He's like yeah. How about the group lake. Our community is growing at that time dave. The group had about ninety thousand members and he said wild west it was the wallow was for sure and you said the community is growing. There's so much happening. We need somebody to kind of like hone down on that that that group in that role and i was like you know i managed communities in the past but you know like my own small communities for like you know small courses. I've done and things like that. Nothing on that large scale. So i thought about it and i was but i thought we were talking about facebook ads. Who is this community thing came about is like no no no no. I think it would be perfect for this. And i was like okay. If this is going to get me to work with russell and click funnels. Let's do it. i'm in right. I saw joining amazing job and we appreciate it. Oh my god. I thought it was a huge opportunity to work with you guys. Learn from you guys. I've learn grown so much like in the process and then you know. I went in there without really knowing what to expect. And as soon as they made me admit all the cases when crepe no right that was like what is this like it was just so engaged and then i started doing research and taking courses and learning from other people and you know everything that there is about community management in the internet. Like i did and i i just honed down becoming the best. I could be in that in that industry And then i told john housing now. We need to build a team like you know. This is a very engaged group. This is not something that just one person can do like. We need twenty four hour coverage the internet. Don't sleep right any more people so we were able to build a whole moderation team. We've put systems in place at creator s. o. p. for the community and now this is two years later. This is where we are. You know accord a million. People thriving one of the fastest growing entrepreneur groups on facebook even recognized by facebook. Because that's kind of how. I was able to connect face. But because they found me from being adleman saw involved in this large engaging community and because of click funnels was that they reached out to me for that the certification program to be one of the first certify community managers. I love it. So congratulations that's here with you. You've ever most importantly are the people who are listening there going okay. So i've got a business or i'm wanting to build one on how. How do i get my. How do i get my community. Started what what are some things that need to be aware of window. I bring on a community manager. How do i scale and grow a business community. Help of dive into that part of it. Yeah that's amazing questions. Good questions because you know in the beginning you don't really need like a whole moderation team. Starting a community from scratch. First of all you should start a community. It doesn't matter the industry doesn't matter. What niche does it matter. What business when you create a community and you create Back connection between you know your members of your community you can make those people become your your loyal fans like your raving fans. Yeah whatever you say. Hey i got this offer like running with their credit cards ready to buy. And that's what russell has been able to click photos community so i see that as an example you know. He started from zero right. There was nobody has community when they started writing it has grown to. What is now but i feel like if it wasn't for the community you know who knows right. Click on it will be because he has created the culture the the raving fans. And that's what every business needs to do to thrive and so have you started from scratch. Start your group. Doesn't matter where you are on the scale of business. You have a business start. Your group The question is when do people need a community manager or moderation team. And that's great so when you feel like they're not ificationbut off the wall when members are complaining when your group starts becoming a spam fast because you know there are people that are not ethical and the online marketing space. That will take a manager community if you don't put somebody in place to moderate and filter out kind of like the mess in the internet so when you see that the united fictitious you can't keep up with you care like you're in the bathroom checking group because you don't you want to protect your baby right. Group is like a little baby that is when you should reach out and and hire somebody to to moderate your community and then ask the community continues to grow and not so much of numbers. I feel like it's more with engagement because you can have a group of like five thousand members that doesn't mean that the community super active would go into the group's incite settings and check out the engagement. Right if you getting over one hundred hundred posts a day. That is time for you to go. Hire somebody to help you. Moderate perfect i love it so one hundred two hundred notifications a day comments. You're looking at hired so much enough. I'm going to go hire someone. Where do i find it community manager. And how much does it cost. Yeah so It's this is an industry that is a new industry per se based on the certification just came out. Facebook is now recognizing that this is needed for businesses right. Even though we were doing before facebook recognize the now is like the the industry has pretty much like expanded because once baseball games that that stamp of approval okay like people are using groups. More more we need to make this industry So before that like the community. Managers will fall in the range of social media managers ri- because they're managing social media. Even though it takes a little bit more. I think like the extra skilled community manager needs to have his great customer service. Right because if you don't have customer service to leading gauge with your members back and forth even when there's conflicts and things like that Conflict resolution than obviously. There's not a great community manager so it's like a social media manager with like a boost right like that's kind of what it is right now and then as far as what people charge. I mean there's freelancers that charge anywhere between five hundred dollars a month to even five thousand dollars a month. That's usually based on the engagement of the group. How much work needs to you. Know how much time they need to put into into the group so you know. We have the social media marketing agency. That is one of the services that we offer but we don't have one prize per per community because every community's different they also have different goals ryan. Some goals are to sell things on those just to build a loyal based on goals is to a ready groups that are made for paid like pay communities that they already bought the stuff that you cells and that would be like a different structure so every single group has to have a different mission. A different vision right. So it's all customizable but it falls between that range anywhere between five hundred dollars a month even five thousand dollars a month depending how big and how engaged community is would you ever recommend someone from within the group. Yes i think that's a great idea. You know if you're building a once you starting out picking out somebody from the community see. I came from the communities. John maybe he knew that when army beyond he's like really the final hiker right so it was like a perfect fit so yes i feel like the person that you're first community. Managers should come from from the community because they already love your mission and should be somebody. That's actively engaged right like they love with whatever it is that you offer the ready your stuff right and then wants to start building a team that community management team than the personnel needs. That team should be more of more experts. Somebody that has experienced running teams So that that's kind of you where that change happens. And then all the other moderate is like for example in in our team all our moderators came from the community. So they they love the culture. So it's a perfect fit when you do bring people from from your own your own community. So how do you. So now. i've gone and found someone in my community Again does your agency. Social zapped dot com. That you guys have any manage their to until we actually do group audits right we start at the audits and then we give members our clients recommendations. Like we'll tell him. Okay we could console and go train your team or hey we do have somebody. That's a perfect fed. That has already worked with that niche or the industry rizal. It all starts with the group auto. We always have to do that. Audit to kind of check out the group from behind the scenes right because when you see a group from a member's perspective is very different from when you become an admin and you see the back end perspective because you can see ride the engagement the numbers how many people are joining how many how many things are deleted. How many things are post. There is so that's why important to do that. Group audit i some things you're looking at in the groupon it. Yes so i'm looking for how many things are deleted How many times the facebook. Facebook has a i bought which recognizes anything that is outside of community standards right. So there's a little section in the back of the group that if you click on reported items by by facebook so you check that out to see if if facebook is recognizing a lot of remove on their own no-go remove it. You don't even have to remove it because the ai by does that then you know for fact right. That's one of the things that you know for a fact while you really need to put somebody in place because if there's too many violations facebook actually down your entire community So you don't want to like build this giant community then be risk right so that's very important so as one of the things that we look at how many violations there's been from the members not really from the group owners is really members We look at the engage man. How many people are hosting a day. how many things have you had to delete in the last thirty days. So we'll go into the adleman activity log and click deleted items and see because if the group owner has deleted a hundred things in the last week. That that's a red flag. Hey you really need somebody in place. So those are some of the things that we look at What else we look at. How often people are posting like other metrics right all the numbers and that would kind of you know. Guide us with with that with that response as far as like if you need somebody if you need to bring somebody from the group if you need a whole team right so we we gauge it out by that so Bingo socials app dot com. And do the cost. Yeah so we charge one ninety seven fergus. That is ninety. Get a grip on it. John group on it. I'm looking at pasta. Higher facebook manager our community manager from within my group five hundred five thousand dollar range. Obviously i know you guys provide as well tell me how do i increase engagement. And how do i grow unskilled group. Yeah so what we do especially when we take on a new kleiner new group like the first thing that we do. Is we pull the community. We create a poll and ask them like. What do you want to see more of right because the group is not really about yours about your business but you need to serve your members right so you if you create content that is to serve your members in and they're happy with what they're seeing their going to hang out more in your community so that is like the first thing we pull the members and we give them seventy two hours to like you know vote on different topics and things that they want to to see and then we take that data. That's market research right lane. We take that data and then we create content around that whether that's giving the topics to the group owners go create videos. Videos are the best. Like even anywhere social media. That's gonna get you the best engagement versus Versus type copy pose versus even versus pictures. So videos are very good at that and we always tell our group owners. I k- these are the main topics that they wanna learn about. You know go find the experts and interview these people on these topics or go create content on these topics. Because that's what they wanna see so that when you do sprinkle your offers. You don't wanna put your offers. Every single postseason happy. Your offer is very important right so when you do brinkley your offers your group engage with the other content that you providing that they lied. They're able to see that because we're also fighting against the facebook algorithm right. I'm pretty sure you guys know about the algorithm. Everybody listening here. You your social media. You know that you're fighting against out of especially organic ride. This doesn't have to with with pay traffic. So that is how you fight algorithm. You give them what they want. Give them what they want. What they want engage with them. Make sure you're engaging. The comments is so important. I could bring the algorithm up so than we do. Have your offers a share. Those paid things. They're able to even see it right because the first day of getting them to see you offer. So that's what we do when we start to take a community over manager community. So now i've got a better gauge. How do i get more people into the group. Yeah so there's different avenues. So if i give you an example of what we do here. Click on his right. We have ads that go to like the free stuff. The free the free lead magnus books. All russell sparks his books. Talk about the group right. Even the i think the shipping box. Has you know the late for you to go. Check out the group or anywhere where you giving away free stuff whether that's in your banner your facebook page whether that's on a book that you're selling whether you know anything that you're using to build your list your email in the bottom of your emails that you send now. They should be a link there for people to join your community everywhere where you have free stuff going on all over the internet. Put a link to the group. You're running ads when they come into your stuff that email put a link to your like everywhere you should be putting a little stamp of groups link in in your in your offers you free and you're paid off. I love it so again. The whole idea here is we're trying to get engagement. We're trying to grow and scale a group. We're trying to to communicate more and and just build that and deepen that relationship with our members jato any other comments or things you can think of our community here on our podcast needs to hear about her know about when it comes to creighton or manage a group. Yeah i think like what you mentioned right now like the culture right and getting those people really connected to you brian. And you know it's not all about creating the content is also again. What i mentioned a few minutes ago lake communicating with them in the comments right and tagging them responding to them like for example. Every time somebody posts in the click runners community are moderation team comments. Where the first one to comment right because that just Members somebody's attention. You know whether we know the answer a we don't know the as if we don't know the answer but find the answer right before we even approve it and then we comments i think is so important that you know if you're studying the group that you are engaging where your members in the comments that they know that you're that you're paying attention and then once you have a team that seem is engaging with the members in that is not just about creating the content that's it is like a whole formula like you have to all these pieces together and that's what creates reading bates. I love it for thank you so much. I appreciate your time again. Best place find the find out more about us. Probably social zap dot com zapped with the dean and you can find me everywhere so show right all over facebook. i'm obviously and the click phone is community. I'm in their cheering. You guys on and everybody there. That's you know growing their businesses. I love it and get jennifer. It's why h. e. n. f. e. r. in as e. m. e. n. d. s. so much appreciated a ton. Thank so that was fun day.

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Ep. 50 - O futuro do jornalismo

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Ep. 50 - O futuro do jornalismo

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Hello From the Other Side? And Bitcoin Puts in Another Big Week

CNBC's Fast Money

24:29 min | 7 months ago

Hello From the Other Side? And Bitcoin Puts in Another Big Week

"Today every answer matters more than ever before because whether it's about health deliveries or finance some things just can't wait. That's why ibm is helping. Businesses manage millions of calls texts and chats with watson. assistant it's conversational. I designed to help your customers find the answers. They need faster no matter the industry. Let's put smart to work visit. Ibm dot com slash watson assistant to learn more in this back twenty nine grader lineup. Brosseau brian kelly jeff and bono and ice tonight on fast the ultimate thanksgiving trade. Get ready to stop the bird. Pass the gravy in un mute yourself why investors are feasting on this day at home stock ahead of her day plus bitcoin going bonkers this week. The crypto cracking above eighteen thousand for the first time in nearly three years are on bitcoin. Baller pk breaks down where it's headed next and later to the moon we'll tell you what lit up the solar trade today but we start off with palo from the other side. Despite the spike in cova cases around the country companies are looking out to the other side of the pandemic as we make progress on vaccine pfizer. Just out today with big news that apply for fda emergency use of its vaccine in corporate america. Sending signals of an all-clear nike merck. Tj calls kosto all either increased or reinstated dividends this week until we start to wind down earning season more and more companies are getting comfortable. Forecasting the future. The number of businesses issuing forward guidance is a thirty percent from last quarter so corporate. America's looking to the other side is the time for investors to do the same brian kelly. What do you say well. I think it's great first of all that corporate investors corporate Corporations have a little bit more clarity. But that's what this whole reopening trade was about from the bottoms. That was the whole thing that you're not gonna have any clarity but when you do boy then it's going to be really good so let's look what we have this week. We had a good news on the vaccine. We had multiple companies up their dividend. We also had multiple companies. Come out and feel much more comfortable with giving guidance however the market was basically flat to down this week so to me. This information is probably already priced in and of a home game and saying is now the time to get in. It's probably not at least not on this news now. We still have this. Tug of war is the vaccine going to be ready enough or we're going to have another walk down and we're going to have a q one. Gp parent that's negative. That's the tug of war that's going on in the market and the news we got this week didn't resolve that unfortunately and that's exactly what j. p. morgan is forecast contraction in q one but seek. Rosso aren't aren't we sort of just throwing out next year. In a way when it comes to multiples. I mean in a way are investors looking through and just saying you know what. It's a passer almost. I don't know if they're going to say it's a passer. I think the bar has gotten higher. So i agree. With the fact that companies now over said have a little bit of visibility because think back to march. There was nothing we were flying blind. We were flying blind on the show. We're fly corporate. America was flying blind. Everyone the world was flying. Why now you have a flashlight. You don't have a spotlight. You have a flashlight. So i think people are starting to get more comfortable with the market more comfortable with earnings. But let's remember nike. This will make it the nineteenth consecutive year that they raise their dividends. So i'm not sure if there's not a little bit of dressing up the window if you will. I don't think that it's a contrived issue that they're doing but just think about it. I think b k. makes a great point. Is this the top. is this a cell. The news event. We've seen vaccine a lot more beneficial news. We've gotten clarity on the election. So and we've seen that balance of power with the republicans in the senate we've gotten basically a goldilocks environment for what has been a terrible plague. That hit this country and the world. So if you're saying are we through it. I don't think we're through what i think. The market is pretty good at navigating. And saying hey you don't want i think the worst is over and we have asked that question. Are these events the cell the news events whether be getting that vaccine news having clarity as to win the first distribution could be made and getting through the the bulk of the volatility of the election. Not say that. There won't be still some volatility but i think the biggest unknowns are now known at least in terms of having a winner bottom so do would you agree that this could be sell the news that would go starkly in the face of what has been a seasonal trade going to urine. Were to go higher. I think given all the fiscal stimulation the support that we've had with all the news today. Notwithstanding right you you do. Have to use steve's term a goldilocks situation where it is prime for risk assets in terms of looking to the other side. I think yes that has been priced in. There has been a look through to the other side. And that really explains rotation out of some of the stay at home names from the technology names into some of the value plays but when i'm looking at these these dividend increases and and and tying all that together right all of those companies with the exception of mark retail companies and. We know that those companies have been able to to be more efficient operating by slashing capacity by slashing workforce and bringing that so that's going to lead to inventory management. We've already seen a rotation out of seasonal hiring so yes there's going to be more cash at hand but what to me it is is that is a signal that we are seeing operational efficiencies leading to digitalization of companies. That is here to stay at. I don't really think that necessarily bode well for employment so again. Two sided coin here. Yeah jeff let your take. I think what we've been seeing has been going on for a little while now. And i know there's been this rotation going on and we've seen that cool off a little bit but let's not forget you know you have value industrials materials banks where you want to go there up some fifteen sixteen seventeen percent on the month. So the fact that they're cooling off a little bit isn't a huge shock to me The dividend story has been playing out for a little while. Now this is the second straight month where we haven't seen any cuts or suspension. So i think that's a good thing. Companies now have two trillion dollars of cash on their balance sheets just as a perspective. The previous peak was about one point six trillion and. I think it's really interesting if you look at small caps you know. Perhaps the most economically cyclical index. You can find and you have seventy percent of all earnings revisions actually being to the upside there. So that's the highest. We've seen in twenty years. So i do think the market is doing a good job of looking to the other side of all of this and i think even if we see a slowdown in q four or q one which is probably likely i think. The market's perception of this slowdown versus what we saw say in february or march is going to be very very different and i think that's what the market's been telling us for some time now as small has beaten large and value is beaten growth interest rates have held in there but i do think stimulus has to be part of the equation here because this case shaped recovery is very real. Ten million people are still unemployed retail sales for example or slowing down. But as i said on the show last week. I think the vaccine news actually make stimulus and twenty twenty one more. Likely because policymakers know they're building a bridge from today to a point in the future where activity can return to normal. So i think you take that in combination. I still wanna play this rotation trade. Even if it ends up being choppy over the next couple of months yeah The general had mentioned small caps. The russell is up two point. Four percent This week brian kelly. Where would you position yourself. And and do you think that's an interesting notion and jeff when you first said that you thought that the vaccine news will make it more likely for stimulus. I sort of was like. I don't know i'm i. It's growing on me. I like it better and better the more i hear it. I'll tell you a brian. Kelly what do you think of that that at least if you know it's targeted you know that there's a about time you might be able to get some republican by into you know. Let's spend this money on on a package. Yeah i think that's right. If you think about you know why didn't we get any stimulus leading into the election. Is that there really. Wasn't any political incentive to do that so now if you have a vaccine you say hey listen. This is kind of a six month problem in a sense. Let's just get through. Let's build that bridge. I think you might be able to get a little bit more political buying. It's not likely to happen until we have the new administration. So i do think the market is incorrect is correct in that sense but again for me. There's just so much uncertainty here in the us. I'd rather look over to. Asia rattled look to japan. I'd rather look to china. And if i look at what's going on with nike bring it back to what we talked to. At the top of the show nineties growth is coming from asia. they're raising dividends and they feel comfortable. I think that's another leg to that kind of asia's going to take the growth baton from here. Yeah and of course. Nike said back in september that it expects the second half of the fiscal year two to be up significantly when it comes to sales biden. Would you agree. Would you say you know. Us may not be the best place to be right now. I mean it's a global pandemic. yes i think. Emerging markets look attractive. I wouldn't say anywhere outside of the us. I think europe so has their challenges. Japan has has a long story pass. And we're seeing a rotation out of that. Buffett is allocates resources there generally speaking. I do like em correlates well. Some of the natural resource plays as we do look forward to getting back to a normal situation and economic environment. Yeah grassley you've been on the natural resource trained to yeah. I mean if you look at the value that fits all into the value. Play outperforming growth play. I've been in the diversified chemical space. So you look at a name trend ceo. It's very levered to europe. So i agree. I think that you can see a lot of these names and ceo oland w. r. k. Really outperform going forward. I'm still in that. Value bucket. expect them to outperform grossly over the next six months. Sorry let's talk a little a zoom today topping. The tape is a stay at home. Trade played out in a big way in today's session. The soft could even higher as year of four. A zoom thanksgiving. That's right families gathered around computers instead of dining room tables this year to keep socially distant zoom knows. It's coming the company's lifting forty minute time limit for free meetings on thanksgiving day. So are you feasting on the stay at home stock ahead of the holidays. I mean theoretically this could be some of the first time people start using zoom a win and they might think this ain't so bad i think zoom is pretty well known at this point and i really don't think this event coming up in the holiday season is really going to be a revenue driver in the sense of looking at this being a long-term or trending new actualization of revenue stream. So no. i'm not buying it on the news. You look forward to the to the sorry. You look forward to the pe ratio twenty twenty one and it's up close at two hundred. It's one of those runs. I don't think now. I don't think this is the catalyst for investing. If you're not and now. I don't think this is a reason to get involved. I mean some context. Obviously just last week. A lot of the at home trade's got slaughtered on the vaccine news and zoom had one of its biggest weekly drops that it had ever seen. Jeff mills zoom here in some of the other. I mean we're talking. Ea for instance peleton. Those are all up. Today they are. You know i'm with a win on this one. I think it's really interesting. You know usually when you see those stay at home names up on the day you also see up on the day you see tech do well. It's kind of an overall virus. Stay at home trade. You did not see that today actually outperformed growth by thirty or forty basis points. Small outperform large by somewhere around seventy five basis points. So i thought that was notable in the sense that that value cyclical trade although down outperform even when the stay at home names were up and i just think you get to a point where the growth and user adoption or whatever. You wanna call it. That's assumed by the valuations just aren't likely to materialize in the future. And that's where. I think we are right now. So it's not necessarily the stocks can't go up from here i think they can. But when you're thinking about relative outperformance and where you wanna be. I wanna be in small caps emerging from two and a half year bear market. I want to be in japan breaking out. After a thirty year bear market. These are areas that i think in outperform over the next twelve months versus some of these other areas that i have just done so well and the valuations are so extended. You probably need to take a breath here. How at a name like palatine. Brian kelly and i. Asking you because are biker You so you have some experience with this area. But it's also theoretically entering a seasonally strong period. I mean going to you're going to january. People typically make all sorts of resolutions about getting in shape and losing weight and here we are peleton right and peleton. I mean peleton's bent on an absolute tear. I do think that's kind of a permanent shift here because those are relatively expensive bikes. Once you buy that. You're likely to kind of stick with that type of thing. But this entire trade. This zoom trade ahead of thanksgiving reminds me of a simpson's episode. I'm a huge fan of the simpsons. You may be to melissa. I'm not sure but homer simpson makes a fortune in pumpkin. Futures makes a fortune but critically homer forgets to sell before halloween. And that's the key. You gotta sell your pumpkin futures before halloween. You gotta sell zoom. You gotta sell those things before thanksgiving because the trades over can connect that to popular culture. Be good for you breaking news here on the vaccine front. Gotta get with all the details. I'm melissa well. After the news that visor and beyond had submitted their application to the fda for emergency use authorization of covid nineteen vaccine. The fda has now set the date for the outside meeting their advisors to discuss the application december tenth. Now that is along the lines of what we had heard they had asked the committee members to set aside december eighth ninth and tenth So it is december tenth to discuss this requests for -mergency use authorization. That is a key step before the fda would potentially green light this vaccine for market and so we are looking at just a number of weeks before this could start to get distributed now. A lot of people wonder why so long while we talked with dr months of away from operation warp speed. This morning noted the fda now that it has the application needs to look through thousands of pages of data and graphs on everything from the efficacy to the safety to the manufacturing standards of this vaccine and analyze all of that and put it together for the committee members then to look through and to discuss and they will release all of that information and briefing documents two days ahead of that meeting on december eighth while at least two days they might release it sooner than that but now we have a timeline from the fda confirmed december tenth for that outside meaning of advisers after that they could green light. This for market definitely. Good news but meg. I'm curious. The fda has digest all those pages of data. Could we see three weeks. After december tenth for moderna e way on review if it takes that much time to get through all that stuff. That's a really good question i mean. Do they have a second set of folks there to be able to look through maderna's application because we are expecting that moderna will file within a few weeks from monday when they had their data So you know within a couple of weeks slough said end of november early december. But he expected that we could be seeing. You know a few days. Apart for these advisory committee meetings for pfizer and madonna and then presumably a few days apart for the fda decision. But you're right. These reviewers are going to have a lot of work to do over the coming weeks. Yeah lots of overtime for that matter. Thank you meg seagrass of your favorite healthcare pick. I think you have to buy a basket of these. And i think you have to buy an index. Because it's what i've been saying for a while. Now if you look at these vaccine plays. They topped out in july. Then we have this secondary headline phase going into the real vaccines and it looks like they tapped topped out again. Pfizer is well off. Its high for just a couple of days ago so when i say well off of it six percent off in the same week so when you start to look at these names melissa. You can't be buying these names. If i asked you what pfizer was up to date. People would get this wrong without looking. It's only a down one percent year to date now. Madonna is up four hundred percent. Because it's been on the scene a lot shorter time. You can't buy the vaccine news. More than one or two pops. I would say sell these names and by the economy versus these names. Yeah we had a jeopardy's analyst who covers all of these names on yesterday who's saying that. He expects pricing to come down dramatically from when the vaccine will first hit the market. And he wouldn't wanna be long. These names as andrew that manufacturing base which could prove difficult bottom. And where do you stand on some of these. I think he makes it a lot. I think he makes a good point. I said for a long time. Listen stephen said i've said guys has said it. Trying to winning horse out of this race is literally impossible. Pfizer was up dramatically and is traded off. You've seen similar price action with modern out. I think you do express this view in some of the tertiary or secondary names because just in the short term. You have price pressure on this vaccine and this is a headline risk. You have to still have a legitimate company of supply of drugs manufacturing efficacy and all of the above to still an operations and do so at margins that that will support the levels that we're at right now so i'm fully in agreement with what he just said all right coming up tan on bear. That's right the solar. Etf in mega-rallies this year. Should you buy or will you get burned or estimates that ahead but first bitcoin going absolutely bananas. What's the player crypto baller. Here he's ready to lay out. Its case stick around much more fast money straight ahead support for this. 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So i think that going is here to stay. Do i think it's adorable mechanism that i think we'll take the place of goal to a large extent. Yeah i do because it's so much more functional than than passing bar gold around. Wow so black. Rock is saying. Bitcoin could replace a gold one day became. I feel like of rick reader tune into fast money circa three years ago. He might have heard the same argument from you. Yes i think he would have. And you know it's nice. It's nice to see somebody like rick being able to say that because i'm sure he's done his research on this and it really reflects the mindset that change in mindset that institutional investors had now versus three years ago so three years ago i've talked institutional investors and they say hey pk. I can't invest in this. My risk management team won't even let me touch it. Now you have institutional investors saying. Hey wait i got a buy this thing i gotta be in it. And that's what we're seeing in the market and that's being reflected in the price and what's kind of interesting what we're seeing. There is in the relatively short term a bit of a coin shortage. So you're seeing institutions high net worth individuals buying coins taking them off exchange putting them in cold storage and they have a five or a ten year view on the and that creates a really a lack of supply. So that's what's been driving the price of the final thing. I would say though is that you have to have a long-term view on this. We did a piece on the show back in two thousand sixteen. Bitcoin was at eight hundred ninety nine dollars and we asked the question. Is it too late to buy bitcoin. And of course the answer now is no. It wasn't right but remember. Bitcoin went from twelve hundred down to seven hundred before it came all the way back all the way back up here so point is you've got to buy bitcoin understand. 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Offer You Can't Refuse

High Noon

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Offer You Can't Refuse

"And dad. He will say I was found to deal. Well. Craft evidence remain sealed. Senate to do this. He would have got that more. You got not to be you're giving up that east Levy said you don't wanna go out. And I remember that was out you've got that safeguards. I remember that his whole family in the front row, and they found out the daddy of big old free. All right. First name, Mike, trout, his new gargantuan twelve year four hundred and thirty million dollar contract with the angels boat. This probably sounds like a ridiculous question to pose about the largest contract and pro sports history. But is this really a good deal for my Trump? That'll sound like a contract to sound like GDP, right? You'll hear about those numbers associated with a person very often half a billion have have a billion dollars. Now, you can never knock anybody beside a contract for half a billion dollars. But let's say this is basketball, and you had a player who signed on for even longer in all that money fourteen that have been losing in the time that they had been there. We would be saying about how you put money in front of winning and everything else question. Do you need twelve years like twelve years really serve you if you might try. I would have liked to have seen him hit freeze twenty twenty frankly, again aside from how great a contract that is congratulations get your money. I was disappointed as baseball fan. I was looking forward to seeing him. Over Bryce Harper Philadelphia. Like that money wasn't going anywhere. I get he's got a chance to compete with a farm system that keep lopping ranked seventh overall major league baseball arenas got a lot of money from his TV contracts, or what have you? But I'm sick of talking about Mike shawls war. I wanna see him battling the playoffs didn't wanna playoff game little on a series, and I didn't wants to. He's so good at baseball. This is ridiculous. Wait, you think about the fact that what he is the next level of the blue of Ricky Henderson released put them in terms of Mickey Mantle. No, this is Ricky Henderson on something that even Ricky probably could not conceive of being except Henderson was a lot of foot. This guy is not you have to go out of your way to find him out of your way, waiting run into the midst of his own in everything else. And yes, I would like to see him play for somebody other than the laws Angeles Anaheim that they still call him. I think so. And if you look if you rob effort, and you'd being truthful, you're not happy about this contract. You want to see him go somewhere and compete and pulling your biggest stage, you could be ledger at the Bank all he wants you legend in October. But I also feel like, and you tell me what you think about this macro level for baseball. Whatever make Mike trout's making no matter who you are. You're not going to make more there might trout like this. I wonder if there's a ceiling on the salary market for the entire sport baseball. Like, I don't feel like this is like football. For example. We got a new highest paid quarterback every rolls over all the time that Alex Rodriguez. Contract was the biggest in baseball until he signed the next Alex Rodriguez contract. That was the biggest for almost a decade got it would hit the open market to be able to command a contract. Like this Harper's already signed Machado already science who's the next young guy in his prime commend anything close to. No, no, no. This is it. This is the guy that we got it like, maybe they will get good. I have lived long enough to see to Anaheim angels win a World Series, which I never believe it was going to happen before two thousand two. So maybe the wonderful things will happen to a franchise that. Maybe looking for comes down to it. Hopefully, the trade he has to I hate to see his career go to waste. So cold. All right, nickname, Doc Rivers. Dana lay in according to basketball writer, Peter Vesey, clippers coach Doc Rivers would consider leaving for the Lakers job. Also says rivers has always wanted to coach the Lakers and Magic Johnson quote loves him. What do you think of this idea? I don't like what why would why would documents do this other than the brand of the Los Angeles Lakers. Gimme a basketball reason that makes sense for Doc Rivers, say LeBron James. I mean, what's left of LeBron James? Are we really doing that? Are you really doing? What's let's do. Donate eight. He's done, but he's not getting any younger like your dot rivers. You got the front office structure, you want even of his power. He's still part of the decision making process. They just went through the quickest most payments rebuild we've seen in some time in this sport. You gotta team in the playoffs. You wanna go enjoying the Lakers. And that circus, listen if it up. You gotta wonder though, what there's some guys who look LeBron not as a hassle. But as a challenge that if you are coast, the idea of what can I do if I had the Brian James not a question, of course is who else are they going to get because we are any bizarre situation. Where a lot of us legitimately believed. The clippers are going to be more tractor free agent destination, then the leg better summit in LA. Right. And that I mean, I totally can see that except you admit that feels weird. It does feel weird. But it's the reality and only people having accepted that reality Lakers, Lakers fans. They somehow still think those banners in that history makes them a more attractive destination than the organization across the hall actually got their act together. Okay. So what I think is the biggest question with the Lakers is what guy wants to play with the Brian James. There is a tier of guy who sees himself as being too good to be the number two behind the broad, Jay. So who are the guys that you get to fit in play alongside and that I don't know for the Lakers, and that's what magic Pelinka going to have to make their money. That's what they're going to get that. Thing. But I can see why would decide all so you said a second ago. Like, what can I do with the Brown? Whatever you do. Lebron doesn't matter because it's all about the Brown. It's not like this reclamation project, or it's not like sometimes the LeBron or the Lakers where you says, you know, what I'm being called home. But you know, he doesn't have to do this. Why would you want to nor in your huddle? But these thing I think there are a lot of huddles than abroad. Mighty nor. Now, don't think dots is necessarily one of those. Right. Just as the broad. They have no respect for David. Neither do we. Right. Tyler. We solve entire Lewis. Their child who stood up to the broad and good things happen air expulsions into same situation because he had the backup Pat Riley dive rivers angle being here. Bending folded full abroad, not convinced Magic Johnson is doing all this been in folding and everybody else, they if you guys stand up to the broad, you got a chance LeBron is good as he was a lot younger when those guys at to put up with that. And knows guys were not Doc Rivers at this point Doxa competent enough to not need this and Marla Brown from afar you love beloved, right? What I'm saying? Did you talk about the putting part the Brian? Tried that in Miami rally, basic. This respect for you on that. I'm just saying I don't think it's worth it for doc. And there's a lot of good things that come with LeBron. I just don't see. My question is is the stress that you expect LeBron to put duck under the actual stress that he's going to be under. Listen to Luke Walton doesn't mean he's not going to listen to duck ribs. Agreed. And totally understand your point. I'm only saying that if you're if you're in a band situation or you needed to somehow rebuild your career. That's one thing. He's got a great situation with the clipper, what clippers better organization right now, we still we still don't know what the ceiling is what the clippers are going to do right, regardless. We could see who the guys are. They're going to get in and whatever. But I don't know what the ceiling is the ceiling on having the brand Jay and ill higher. I think than the ceiling that you talking about. But got to get quite littered. Who's the number two guy that they did? Why clipper this is the most fascinating off-season that I could think once we could say that one city. Yes. For the whole show. All right next name Khalil met the raiders actually want something. Vo the recent Sloan sports analytics conference awarded the raiders the alpha award for best transaction for the Khalil Mack. Trade. Does the endless community had reevaluating his trade on the nerds apper dorks or no not have me reevaluating this. Now what I understand is happening. Here is their ideas. The Lakers were the raiders were Baid. Right. So you get a guy off a team that was already bad. And then you get these valuable draft picks these assets with these fluctuating notions of value that they have and people who like to analyze these things from non human reasons love to look at the potential draft. Pick is draft. Pick is only valuables the player that it turns into do. You think the raiders are gonna turn that into something that's gonna turn into Khalil Mack? I feel. Like you draft a guy hoping that he turns into Khalil Mack. Thus kind of what the point is look as much as I love the process of team building. And a love the analytical analytical approach to these types of things these guys off and sound like Assad's talking about assets the way they do as assets somehow immediately translate or immediately equal the likes of Khalil Mack. It doesn't work this way. Daryl Morey as much respect about half the down Maury. It doesn't work this where you get to say, oh, we don't care about the results about the process. So it doesn't matter. What happens with those picks? Yes. It does because they blow these pigs. Let's not forget, by the way. Let's point out something they also gave me second round pick to Chicago like training Khalil Mack. Nothing else goes back that goes back to you other than Khalil Mack. They gave him a second round pick as well. So even the trade on the surface was questionable in terms of what they got in return to what they gave up. And then you're gonna go and say the transaction of the year just because you've got picked back with somebody. You know, maybe I'm just an old time in the way. I look at this right but quarterback and pass. Rusher. That's it. If you've got a good one, you don't let them don't let them if you actually have a good one. Yes. You do not let them go. If Khalil Mack. Do I realize last year watch Khalil Mack? That clearly I had never watched him play before people compare him to Lawrence Taylor on hand you and I looked at that last year. I was like, okay. I kind of understand what it is that you're talking about individuation. So the raiders are at some point trying to get good. They are mess around and get good. You know, what they're gonna do. They gonna look down their roster. Be like we can MAC we could really. I really he can just quarterback. Absolutely. I cannot get over even even the raiders thought it was a joke. And now, you've got John grooten who can said, hey, man, you know, registered kids. I got this. He got apparently reportedly he's got the trophy, which is a trophy sitting on his desk. He likes it so much. They thought it was a joke when economists for years, the prank Siri finally for the first time has somebody telling you what a great trade that. No, one has said this before John group, you guys really pulled off a war, this is questionable the Oscars. Like, wait a second. You really giving them next is yada the face of the NBA. Listen to the high noon podcast, and Bomani and mine Pablo still didn't have its own podcast. Is your business set up despite trouble before it happens? According to Harvard Business Review most major revenue stumbles could have been avoided, but no one saw the early warning signs. That's why you need visibility into what's really happening with your business edge using nets. We by oracle the business management software. The handles every aspect of your business in an easy to use cloud platform would nets. 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I knew his being from above the Heineken river, Jack Pierce seventeen. You boy Blake Bortles got a job with the Rams starting job next test the hill solving garbage that reference how bait hole. Resume to the reference w I experienced believe he'll be a starter for somebody. That's just the way to gates, internship, right? I quote, people say that I could not be the face of the lead because I'm not married if I can't be face Lee being me. I don't wanna be the face of the lead. Jatta statistic Cuco to the Milwaukee journal sentinel. My what do you make of Yana say, and I'd like to know who these people are like, apparently, it's his family and friends or they're not paying attention because he's already eighth things Li I don't know if there's ever truly one face leader, certainly isn't now think hardens of face Curry's efface russes face calories. Obviously. The bronze facing the league Cuco is already a name of the league name that a lot of people almost overnight have learned how to pronounce it correctly, including my daughter. My daughter talks about all the time. She's a fan if you keep putting up twenty seven and eight the way he is towards twelve I'm sorry. I sorted and four rebounds. Whereas thing about LeBron's keep putting up those numbers best wrecking league winning the peace, and maybe even shape shifts automatically makes you face Italy. Honestly, your culture that would be a hold up. I think if language was a hold up like this is a discussion in the NHL that we had a lab across vegeta-. This is discussion you have a lot in baseball. As you have more players, don't speak English, do speak all English. In the right, right. Just fine in that regard. This means that there's no place that you cannot take like I don't think that people are viewing him as being some outsider in the league. This is league if any other can handle it. I think it can if he is the best player in the league out of here with some hardware. The he will be the face Italy. You gotta give basketball fans not to exclude any other fans, especially basketball fans more credit than they just gave recognize game. They appreciate greatness. And if you winning and dominating unless you choose not to be in your Tim Duncan, and you decide to be reclusive about it. If you unless you choose not to face the league, they're going to elevate you to that point whether you like it or not, and he sees built for well, let's think about this. Also, I was going back last night. Just looking at some stats looking at some of the advanced on this. There's an argument there from two thousand four to two thousand seven the jerk. Vicky was the best player in the NBA. You go back and you look at the numbers the jump on like wind shares for forty three straight years. He'd lived there. He was not seen ever as being a face of the league because he was overcoming a perception. Of being Europe. This off your comes. You light dudes? Okay. Not sure that that hits this guy the same way. Hey, salt outside guy. Also, look at with personality has evolved into some of that at him right now person out of the Volve place with the fall on. All right, cool. We probably would've already won a championship. Thomas about what could have been if the Celtics had never traded him. Listen to more. Did you ever think about what could have been long-term these days? Yeah. Probably going to change. IT in a nutshell though. Right. I mean, already you just left last year is basically what you say what ship last year hurt before you're saying last year to I want him to have all the confidence in the world because I'm never going to be getting in the way of somebody shot, and that confidence would allow somebody five foot nine to get to the places that he has got good for him. But man, he is the ultimate it was all good just week ago example, he was on top of world, and he gave everything with that hip. I don't know if you'll ever be the same again, they would win no championship. Not coming up that bomb found myself alone emotional watching him getting most laugh night. It's because of what to talk about. I feel SARS you could feel professional basketball playoffs are piety not just the tragedy. He suffered off the court. But man this. This guy was supposed to get paid Nike even get one in a playoff teams rotation. Like it's over for IT as we knew him and captivated that community in Boston over the course of two and a half years. He wanted even seen this part of the problem for him is he's never going to dial. It's game back, right? Always going out there like the coldest doodle. It was the other. Yes, he's not the coldest dude on the floor. And that creates a problem to just said something interesting about the two and a half years that I was just thinking about they got a retired his jersey, right? Like in the two and a half years that he was there. The time seemed to be so special provided seem to be so special, and he literally I think by the time is done. We will say gave his career to try to win with a team that honestly had no chance of winning in the first place. That's not gonna win a championship. He left his career. Older floor involves sacrificed his body. Go back. They gotta give for him to come like Danny Ainge that it'd be giving them. No. He was very very Velasco. Shoes. He was aware last night. Quote. I see a couple of players. I don't wanna say names, they play video games during the gay. Carlos Santana, the Phillies reportedly took a back to a clubhouse television set with a few days left last season after you caught teammates player fortnight during a gay by God, you feel about Carlos Helen issue. Run thing particular just jumped out to me, you know, far be it from me to try to tell somebody who picks up a bat. Hotter control, their emotions. The first thing you see the TV and knew it, and you can set you could salvage the television and just crashed the video game system. But trust me in my house. My wife will love to take back to the TV the place. They should give me and my son play a little too much maddening to katie's days. But I'm trying to figure out when you can't eliminated from the postseason or in the midst of a nine game losing streak as it were in Philly. What you do play video games during the game. I'm all Santana side with the young boys. That's what they use. Homeboys exists in the world. And they don't understand what it is. I want to see everybody's face. Would he came in there with that bad? 'cause I've asked you say nothing after drop that bet if you Billy beating moneyball, that's what losing sounds. That's what. I could imagine though, it you actually care like you really care and you come back out here and these cats not just doing anything, but playing video game video cards. It could be like, okay, guys. I put the cars video game video around before. It's banned in my non. I don't I don't need. No more Dixon's in my life. I see what it does to other people. But I people these kids kids can't get enough this four night, stay up all night. But I can't judge because we stay up all night with the franchise. What's the latest that you've been like this is not too late to do the draft? The latest aren't going to sleep. These. You know, what I'm doing what I'm doing at all college adulthood last day have a plan Sunday night. I made it I had memory card with college names take draft class. I had the greatest Michael Vick. And then we'll be thought clery was going to be an my would Esto that is fan Br commitment that's what I'm talking about a love that. I love this conversation, except I just got a porno. Don't call people nerd dork Neta. Okay. We will talk about John's Pablo doing that still for far less. Cool things men. That's all I'm saying. Okay. Look no argument from me today's number. It's too many first round picks giants GM Dave get them and says he got back for Beckham. Because in addition to getting the seventeenth browsing issues draft he considers getting safety Gibril peppers twenty fifth tickets seventeen he considers that a first rounder. His more of his explanation on Odell trade. Question why we signed Dell and then trae to them as I said publicly twice. We didn't sign him to trade him. But obviously things changed, and frankly what changed and other teammates from we couldn't reviews. Trust me, we got a plan and over time. You know, you've got to be patient. You know, everybody wants answers. Now we live in history. Gratification society overtime, you'll see it. You gotta trust it. So full of checks in the mail. That's what he's. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Trust me. What's your plan? Trust me. We got one trusted. You wouldn't ask you what the plane was day men are really can't trust when he tried to me gerbil peppers. It's kind of like a first round here. Go see if you can trade him right now how credit slash Brown his evaluation skills. He got fired as GM but into pepper just because he decided to the first round pick that he's a first round pick accounts in his trade, conveniently see this is a one to one right here. He's basically saying look when he goes to Cleveland in balls out, which he will I can't sit up here and tell you I treated 'cause I like a nerd, hey, gotta make up some lot about how offer refusal. Yes. You want that was a reasonable offering him because you wanted to they call buffalo and Antonio Brown. 'cause they wanted to trade him come on. Now. Glows hill. Brad Beal out is that -magine it'll be difficult explaining this. Crib. This is Brad Beal guarding. Joe ingles. Joing bliss joing. Oh, jelly gave them out. Even understand. Why it is Brad veal so worried in glasses? Go take them to see that a little differently Boston. I should cover about breath because he stumbled back off like, oh, I was given a shot. So we go to ignore the initial stumble. And then give him some credit. I'm giving him credit for plan at all. I was like, oh, okay. You got that self check. But see, here's the thing. I know a lot about a y'all 'cause y'all be judging books by covers joing, let's be doing this catch all the time. Knowing the Terrence Ferguson on the ground one time joing did it to Paul George put him on the ground. Y'all. Don't understand man joing lis- people calling them that you know that. Right. Yes. Shoot grocery store in Atlanta. Call angles will be moved. Let us at. I saw the side said Ingles stupid sitting. This. Ed closing Nick young as quite a bit of free time nuggets waived him back in December. And he's managed to be productive. Rather? We productive grafted Nick on baby. Number three. Welcome to the club. This is when it gets really interesting, Nick young tweeted, this gonna three is on the way, I knew being at home. This would happen. I can only relate come. So do you have some news force? No. Just say I wish I did. You know, I got three I wanna fourth because operated even numbers, I've put my guess, even number temperature and even numbers, I wanna four girls and boys and my wife was closed up shop close. So she's like, no she's done on. She won't even let me adopt is the shop close or is the factory closed because yesterday yesterday was acting like you'd be doing a whole lot of shopping, right? But now you say the shop is closed. So like, you still is the store open. Or is it just they not making producer, no more items. That's a great distinction stores. Open factories closed permanently close just kind of like a will be. They could be a will be back. Always reopened the factory. If you know what I'm saying she chose to you don't have to keep at the factory. Sorry. It's out it's up to her. But she'd be selfish out here man, really has she won't walk around. Huby? You don't put that over. I want to reiterate that will you lucky? You would a woman. I got no business being kicked coverage is under question.

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Miracle Healers Pt. 4: U.S.A.

Cults

44:10 min | 3 months ago

Miracle Healers Pt. 4: U.S.A.

"Due to the graphic nature of this colts crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of sexual coercion and abuse. That some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen mary. Elizabeth carreira didn't know where else to turn in her thirties. She felt so lost. She ran a successful counseling practice but believed she was unable to really help her patients plus her marriage was on the verge of divorce leaving her lonely and depressed so mary turned her old grad school. Classmate jon d miller he always seemed to have a solution for everything and he seemed to have a fix for her current problems too. He invited mary to his house to try new tool he developed. he'll people. Mary arrived at his home in kittery. A small town in maine after some small talk. John handed mary his revolutionary instrument. A plane four inch plastic rod. He instructed her to hold onto it for five minutes. Mary didn't expect much but she follow john's directions. Her hands grip the gadget and soon she felt a wave of calm wash over her. Mary wasn't happy but she wasn't sad. Either she was just fine and she considered that to be a miracle realizing this was the solution she had longed for. Mary soon left her entire life behind. She poured all her money and work into john's radical new technology together. They co founded a nonprofit named the gentle wind project after mary. More people joined the movement believing that john's instruments could save them but instead the devices lord them into a dangerous cult in which john would control every single facet of their lives. Hi i'm greg pulsing and i'm vanessa. Richardson and this is called a spotify. Original from podcast. This is the final episode in our special. about miracle. healers around the world. You can find all episodes of colts and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify over every. Listen to podcasts. For our last episode of miracle healers were taking a deep dive into the gentle wind project. A nonprofit that created so-called healing instruments in the nineteen eighties and nineties but by the early two thousands it had grown into a manipulative cult. That stole money from its members and allowed its co founder to sexually abuse his female followers. We have all that and more coming up. Stay with us. This episode is brought to you by fan duel sportsbook. Don't just watch college basketball. Get in the action and shoot your shot with the fan. Sports book app. There's more ways to play the bracket all tournament. Long new users. Get your i bet. Risk free of one thousand dollars. Sign up with code upsets on the fan duel sportsbook app and make your first deposit today. Twenty one plus and presents in virginia. I online real money wager. Only for one thousand dollar risk-free bet refund issued us non-withdrawal site credit that expires in. Fourteen days restrictions. Apply see full terms that sportsbook duck fan duel dot com gambling problem. Call one eight hundred gambler. This episode is brought to you by dial pad. Work is a thing you do not a place you go with the dial pad app. You can call post video meetings and chat with customers and co workers from anywhere from any device. Try dial pad for free for fourteen days at dial pad dot com. This episode is brought to you by the followers house of prayer. A new true crime podcast from you. Cpi audio each episode explores the house of prayer a nineteen eighties. Religious community led by anna. Young one young daughter makes a call to the police. It triggers a year long investigation into a cult a murder and the disappearance of a child. New episodes drop every wednesday subscribed to the followers house of prayer on spotify throughout this special series. We've explored Healers around the world. The soviet union a rough brazilian neighborhood and a remote village in tanzania in each country their respective governments systems failed the people so they turned to faith healers but this problem doesn't only occur in small countries or crumbling empires some faith healing movement. Took hold right here in the united states just like the other movements. We've covered john d. miller's faith healing cult the gentle wind project was in some ways a response to the failures of american social services and as the organization developed it took on a distinctly american character. John miller himself is a bit of an enigma. And what we do know about his early life comes from the colts co-founder and first follower. Mary elizabeth carrero according to mary as a young adult in the nineteen sixties. John worked as an auto mechanic. The gig taught him that every problem had a solution. If something wasn't working correctly all it took was some sweat and tools to fix it soon. He started applying that philosophy to a new area psychology. That's going to take over on the psychology here and throughout the episode please note. Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist but she has done a lot of research for this show. Thanks greg. John was particularly fond of psychiatrist. Eric byrnes transactional analysis theory. The theory organized all social interactions into what burn called three ego states parent. Adult and child each state had its own way of relating to the world and others burn. Wanted to simplify human behavior down to predictable patterns and games that people unknowingly play with each other. But john miller moved beyond this echinacea view of psychology. To some extent he became interested in using spiritual methods to create positive outcomes in human behavior and experience. His goal seemed to be to cure difficult and undesirable feelings. It was an ambitious concept. And john didn't know how to get there yet but he hoped that one day he could in one thousand nine hundred seventy two. John was enrolled at the university of connecticut for a master's degree in social work where he dove headlong into developing his new theory. It's likely that he was a bit of an outcast at the university. Most of the professors and students in the program didn't agree with john's ideology. The coursework focused on providing emotional support and effective coping mechanisms for patients. Not on erasing their underlying traumas. John was all alone in his approach until he met a kindred spirit in his twenty three year old classmate mary elizabeth caro- mary had worked with drug addicted teenagers and a counseling program but she became frustrated. That job focused on talking out problems and did little to address the source of the issues. She thought studying social work but provide more guidance on how to fix those problems so mary was just as disappointed as john was with yukon. Social work program. She was ready to drop out of school within her first month until she met john finally married upon someone else who shared her perspective. She connected with johns theory that everyone could be fixed. Suddenly john's philosophy had its first follower. After mary graduated with her master's in social work she briefly worked at a mental health center. But once again she quickly grew disillusioned with the work. She felt helpless in only providing emotional support to patients. She wanted to treat the root of their problems and find a cure for emotional pain so she after one year and opened her own counseling center in mary's book she wrote. I was tired of doing something that made me feel bad and working at the mental health center made me feel bad every day. From my perspective the system itself was lacking as we previously discussed in this special faith healers often arise when a country's institutions fail the people for john and mary it was social services in the us disappointed them and spurred them to create their own solution. At first marian. John separate private practices but kept in touch. Mary and her husband lived in massachusetts. She enjoyed the freedom of counseling her own clients and providing them with potential solutions and soon a personal experience. Inspired her to pick a specialty. When was twenty nine. She gave birth to a son after being in labor for thirty hours. The arduous process wasn't the perfect birth sheet imagined. She and her husband were tired and overwhelmed after award in her book says she felt like a failure which is unfortunately a common feeling among new mothers according to the massachusetts general hospital center for women's mental health fifty to eighty five percent of new mothers have post-partum blues also known as the baby blues. These women experienced tearfulness anxiety or irritability for up to two weeks. In the late nineteen seventies postpartum psychiatric disorders. Were not as widely understood as they are now but mary realized that she'd gone through an uncomfortable aspect of parenthood that no one talked about soon. She began counseling her friends who were also new parents but once again. Mary felt like she wasn't doing enough. She wanted to fix their emotional issues. Not just talk them. Through adding to mary's frustration was her own crumbling personal life in the early nineteen eighty s. She and her husband grew apart and eventually separated. The split caused mary to feel what she termed a crushing kind of sorrow. She wished for a way to soothe her clients and herself. More than ever feeling helpless. Mary turn to john just like she did in grad school. And that's when he invited mary to come to kittery maine to try out his plastic healing rods. John embedded a mixture of herbs and homeopathic formulas into each rod which was supposedly meant to heal anyone who held onto it. Mary gripped the device for five minutes and change the course of her life. She later wrote that. The tool helped her to stop being paralyzed by my own sadness. After that moment. Mary was convinced that the rod had healing powers. Although there's no scientific evidence that john's device had healing properties it offered mary certainty during a period of upheaval in her life which she found to be comforting in the book. Cults in our midst clinical psychologist margaret dollars. Singer wrote people at a loss to make sense of the mayhem around them. Look for direction and become more approachable and vulnerable to the manipulations and exploitations of these skillful con artists. We don't know of. John sincerely believed as rods. Were magical or people trying to manipulate. Mary either way. She was vulnerable to his suggestions. And because of that mary was hooked. She started using the rod with their own patients. Mary claimed many of our clients felt remarkably better after holding a rod. The way she saw the device wasn't just effective. It was a miracle cure in one thousand nine hundred eighty three the thirty four year old. Mary closed her own practice in massachusetts and cashed out her retirement fund to join forces with john. She left her son with ex husband to move in with john carroll in kittery maine while it was a bizarre turn of events. Mary asserted that she made these decisions independently. She and john just happened to be on the same healing mission. John and mary named their new nonprofit but gentle wind project or the gwp. The name came from the chinese nation tool the king which contains sixty four symbols called hexagrams hexagrams. Fifty seven is known as the gentle or gentle penetration and it represents a subtle wind following another subtle wind. It is a symbol of submission and modest success in once undertakings. According to mary they picked this hexa graham because it encompassed their principal belief. People didn't heal through hard work but from gentle observation. It's unclear how exactly this related to the healing rods and that wasn't the only confusing doctrine john and mary came up with the duo drew from an eccentric mix of concepts to make their own franken philosophy borrowing from eastern medical principles. Albert einstein's photon theory and supernatural ideas of electromagnetism ultimately. John and mary came to view human consciousness as an electrical system which stored emotional hurt their pseudoscientific instruments aimed to expel that hurt by healing the human energy field thereby raising the person's capacity to handle stress. The outlandish rationale was just wild enough to work in late. Nineteen eighty-six until the early nineteen nineties. John and mary changed the name of their organization to the gentle wind school. They taught their beliefs and treated people with their healing rods in a group environment at some point during these years. Mary even recruited her younger sister and other women to help develop their technology. The new recruits moved into john's house to which turned into gwp headquarters. But john and. Mary believed they had miracle cure and they wanted to share it with his many followers as possible and to do that. The pair needed to expand. Gwp beyond johns home and across the globe. Next the gentlemen. 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Terms apply see sportsbook fan duel dot com for terms and restrictions. gambling problem. Call one eight hundred gambler now back to the story by nineteen eighty-seven the gentle wind project had outgrown. Johnny miller's home in kittery maine several devotees had already moved into his house including thirty eight year. old mary carrero and four other women. This was in addition to his own wife. Carol john's therapeutic devices were attracting more followers so to keep up with the growth. He decided to expand property. He applied for a building renovation permit but the town turned him down. Kittery officials were suspicious of the application. John house had several unrelated women and himself living together in a single family residence. The small town likely thought it sounded like an illegal business or a textbook cult. Mary and the other followers were outraged. They thought the government was trying to sabotage their work as they sought. They offered free aid to people real help. That people couldn't get from american social services. They were stepping in where the system had failed the refusal. Only stoke the group's desire for a building permit. Mary consulted with a lawyer. Who made a wild suggestion. Mary and the other women should legally change their surnames to miller to match john and his wife it was a creepy idea and one that could ironically solidified. Gwp as an actual cult. The lawyer thought having matching surnames would make the town consider them a family for the permits. So mary and the other. Two women became miller's their determination to become a so called family was eerily familiar other notorious connor have also labeled themselves of family for example the manson family the nineteen sixties and the children of god later known as the family in the nineteen seventies high control groups like cults instill an us versus them mentality in their members. This likely help. Gwp band together. As they recruited more followers and evolved into something more sinister. John and his group family spent years researching and perfecting. There's supposed healing rods and by the mid nineteen nineties. John and. Mary felt like they had enough. Understanding to create a more advanced technology. It was a revolutionary instrument that someone could hold in the palm of their hand a small acrylic disk and a precious stone covered with clear plastic. Dome it looked like a cross between a hockey puck a snow globe and a paperweight. John and mary promised the apparatus would rid a person of past harms and restore energetic balance with that as a pitch. Mary hit the road in the fall of nineteen ninety five. She traveled around the country leading seminars and hotel conference rooms and marketing the tool as a miracle cure in the nineteen nineties. This wasn't entirely out of the ordinary alternative. Medicine was on the rise across the united states. A nineteen ninety-three study published in the new england journal of medicine found that one in three americans used an unconventional therapy within a year's time but unlike other new age solutions. Gwp seemed especially preoccupied with money. Particularly nineteen ninety-five when the organization hit financial trouble. Apparently all that research and development wasn't cheap and according to gwp for the past decade. They've been offering their healings for free with the occasional donation so to supplement their income in the mid nineties. The group began up selling with increasingly expensive healing tools. They started by distributing free trauma cards which were supposedly magical pieces of paper. According to the called just holding the card would heal a person spirit if seminar ten dis wanted more. Gwp offered personality cards for purchase. It's unclear how much they cost but the group claimed the cards identified specific traits. That person possessed kind of like a cosmopolitan magazine quiz beyond those cards. Mary tried to convince people to buy their healing discs and rods. Which cost between four hundred dollars and a whopping twenty thousand dollars according to gwp however all healings were offered for free. The prices were merely suggested donations aiming to distribute as many of these expensive tools as possible. Mary made outlandish promises. she suggested. they could cure everything from serious illness. To drug addiction even swore they provided salvation and how people evolve into a higher state of being in a new twist. Gwp began to claim that john had already reached his higher state within the called. John had exalted status to his followers. He was the person most connected to the higher realm the spirit world. John's linked to that dimension supposedly harness the energy used to power the instruments to keep their healing tools. Functional group family had to protect john at all costs. For that reason. John stay out of the limelight. He sent mary and the group family to do his bidding presumably at election mary. Seminars newsletters heavily. Recruited new members like a multi level marketing scheme it was disturbing combination of new age therapy and capitalism reportedly gwp followers were given sales quotas that they were expected to meet and no matter how much money the devotees brought in. It's likely that the gwp leaders pressured them to sell more and draw in more new members. Among those captivated followers were judy. Garvey and jim burgen. The married couple owned an independent publishing house. Bergen garvey publishers. Judy and jim got to know mary when they began publishing her books and they enjoyed her insights thought of her as a respected writer and social worker at home. The couple was at a loss when it came to their kids behavior so they sought mary's advice about their eldest son. Judy and jim expected mary to talk about the problems like a therapist instead. She immediately convinced them to use a more spiritual method of healing. Mary did a soul reading for the couple using a lock of their son's hair. She then mailed. Judy and jim a tape-recorded message that she claimed to have channeled from a higher power called the teacher. The cassette tapes mystified. Judy and jim because the information was eerily accurate the sole reading seem to give real insight into their children's issues jin later wrote i for one like others who tried. This service was flattered and curious here at last was some source that knew the real me and seemed to care. Just what i thought was missing in my life. Gwp asserted that this information came from the spirit world and the only person who could receive and decode messages from that realm. Where leaders like mary and john. D miller impressed by all of this. Judy and jim started attending. Gwp lectures and events nearly every weekend. They became instrument keepers the first level of gwp membership though. Judy and jim joined. Gwp on this bottom level would eventually grow to thousands of members around the world based on the colts own estimates as instruments keepers. Judy and jim received invitations to advanced conferences where they could buy supposedly upgraded more expensive tools. Judy accepted many these invitations even taking several trips to kittery to try out new devices. Judy and jim were hooked and they didn't stay in. Gwp's bottom rung for long soon. The couple moved up to the next level placing themselves among a smaller group of people who were deeply devoted to the cause. They did exactly as mary wants. Did they moved to be closer to kittery maine leaving behind their professional careers and selling many of their possessions. Duty and jim willfully donated money to gwp and even gave the organization several loans. The couple lent out the cash slowly not even realizing the total amount was creeping up to two hundred five thousand dollars in the meantime. The cult continued growing. John's group family bought property. In durham new hampshire and melbourne beach florida. So that along with the headquarters in maine cult owned three houses while some people lived in the group dwellings. Others like judy and jim lived in their own homes with their kids at least at first but no matter where their residents was all members time was devoted to doing. Gwp work as part of their healing. They all took on positive activities. Such as house construction gardening and fixing cars. Gwp leaders claimed this work has followers discover unexpected hobbies in reality. It sounds like john made his devotees do his household chores further. John and mary expected members to conform to certain expectations. John allegedly ordered his supporters to have short hair where beige clothing and root for the boston. Celtics basketball team among other things of course the organization's demands soon became less superficial and more manipulative. Mary us channel readings as a way to convince members to abandon all of the things they loved. Most for instance once. Mary seemed to be done with writing and publishing books. She told judy and jim to abandon their publishing company. Mary said jim soul wanted to build things like the other members. If he didn't do that he'd become ill. It wasn't clear what mary wanted. Jim to construct but he was still alarmed after the conversation. Jim reluctantly sold the publishing business. It seemed like cutting ties with the outside. World was the main requirement for moving up in the organization members were expected to take commands from. Gwp leadership without question if anyone refused. They were ostracized. Unbeknownst to many supporters there were also monetary benefits to being in the inner circle. John group family. Gwp's top level seemed to live with all expenses. Paid by the nonprofit they had boats. Bmw's and corvettes. Additionally each leader received an annual salary. Which according to judy. And jim later report ranged from fifty thousand dollars to three hundred thousand dollars clearly. Gwp was profiting off the hard earned money of its members but the lower level believers had no idea occasionally gwp's top brass let obedient female followers visit and spend time with john at one point judy opportunity. Mary specifically invited her to participate in a ritual called energy work to judy. This was everything she'd been working toward she would be in the presence of the revered john and help create the healing instruments. She could finally watch john's sacred lifeforce in action. Judy walked into john. Durham's home hoping to be enlightened instead. The ritual was more perverse than she ever expected as it turned out. Energy work was the codename for john's group. sex activities. Judy and several other female followers were encouraged to have intercourse with. John told that it was part of a spiritual practice. Mary who according to john and judy often arranged these events asserted that this was how gentle wind harnessed the power for new healing instruments. Apparently the spirit world demanded it in some sense. The women act as if they were now married to john. Some even believed that they were in love with him. This is reminiscent of how. John's group of female followers changed their surnames to miller. Unfortunately this sexual abuse gave john. The highest level of control seen in colts in nineteen ninety seven study published in the cultic studies journal sociologist. Union knowledge wrote enforcing sexual. Submission may be considered the final step in the objectification of the individual as a cult. Member lalas also adds one sexual control is in place. No part of life is left untouched by the cult leaders influence once judy was indoctrinated into energy work. Mary instructed her to follow certain rules. Judy was no longer allowed to have sex with her husband. Jim she was banned from telling him or anyone else. About the ritual. Other men weren't allowed to be involved. John was the only man evolved enough to handle it. Plus it's likely that judy needed to remain available to have intercourse with john at any time under the guise of producing a new instrument if she didn't show up when john beckoned judy could lose her high level. Gwp status and get kicked out for good but little did marry her. John know judy would soon use this knowledge to ruin. Gwp forever up next. Judy and jim bring down the gentle wind project. This episode is brought to you by the followers house of prayer. A neutral crime. Podcast from uc p audio. It's twenty twenty and anna young aka mother. Anna awaits her fate in a florida courtroom thirty years earlier. 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Gwp directive and didn't ask too many questions reflecting back years later. Jim wrote that it felt like their relationship was now being directed by a higher spiritual source. That knew what our souls needed to change but as time went on the secrecy created a major chasm in their relationship within a year. The couple separated though remained married. Judy moved out and into the third floor. Attic of. John's house. After the split judy and gm shares custody of their sons. When jim visited the house in new hampshire to pick up the kids he described the environment as chaotic. He later wrote any normally functioning. Person would have considered this environment to be inappropriate and insane and removed his children from such a disturbing influence. But not me in my controlled mind. This was the place to be at first. Jim tried to prove to judy that he was still committed to the group so he could see his family more often soon though. Jim felt defeated. Gwp had stolen his wife. Money and business away from him dejected. An utterly alone. Jim finally left the cult and then he did what any lonely person with internet access might do research. Jim looked up literature about high control. Groups and attended anti-cult conferences at first. He was in denial that. Gwp fell into such a category but then it finally dawned on him. Jim and judy had spent years in a faith healing cult and he needed to get judy out of their. Meanwhile judy started coming to her. Own realizations in the fall of nineteen ninety nine she volunteered. Gwp's main office in kittery maine. It was a privileged position only given to a handful of people while working at the headquarters. Judy did menial. Office work like answering phones and arranging mary's conferences. She also had to sell members on more expensive upgraded healing instruments inside the office likely privy to financial information like tax returns and donation records and came to an important realization. She was asked to leave her volunteer job and a few years later. Judy declared that john and mary had borrowed two hundred five thousand dollars from her and jim over the past decade she knew about the loans but she was surprised that the total was so much and judy soon realized john and mary had no intention of paying her back for judy. This was probably the last straw. Gwp had made her give up her publishing company her marriage and had forced to endure john's sexual assaults. Those were all things she couldn't reverse. But judy may have seen the six-figure unpaid loan and realized that that was something she could get back. It's unclear how exactly judy left the organization. She likely asked questions about where her money went. Which led the leadership to kick her out of gwp. This didn't discourage judy though. She continued to demand her money back after leaving. Gwp she reconciled with. Jim and they presented a united front. Judy told her husband about john's energy work and sexual assaults which the organisation made her keep a secret together. They broke the news to their children. That w p the family they had known for over a decade was a cult. The children had always been skeptical of the group. According to jim they responded. We told you so. You should have listened to us. Judy and jim felt guilty. That they exposed their children to such an organization for so long. They realized they had become absentee parents. Pudding called before their sons in two thousand and three john and mary finally repaid the couple's two hundred five thousand dollar loan but it did little to quell their former followers. Ir judy and jim decided to get the word out about what. Gwp done to them later that year they aired their grievances on a newly launched website wind of changes dot org on the site garvey and bergin detailed their experiences in. Gwp soon other former members came forward. To many anti-cult activists joined the movement including famous colts specialist and deep programmer rick. Ross and soon. The site landed on john and mary's radar in a book. She wrote years later. Mary called wind of changes cyber smear campaign that spread lies about gwp. the organization also addressed. Judean jim site by making alterations on their own website. During the cyber war by december of two thousand three. John and mary had edited the gwp website. To include a rambling. Two thousand word warning at one point in the text they boldly assert that. Gwp's eleven fulltime employees didn't make it a cult. They claimed if having eleven loyal members was called like than maybe the red cross large corporations and local car dealers must be called to their rant ended with a vow for revenge. John and mary wrote. We will confront the filth distortions and lies head on and fight the originators and purveyors of this completely groundless material with every legal means available to us. The tirade wasn't only directed at judy and jim. Around this time. The maine and new hampshire justice department's caught wind of gwp buyers of the healing instruments. Started to complain that the devices didn't work. It was enough for main assistant. Attorney general caroline silsbee to take on the case in two thousand and three. She demanded that turnover twenty thousand documents. The walls were closing in. John and mary were about to lose everything. They built over the past two decades. They had to fight back and their first battle was against judy. Gym's website john marion. Gwp filed a defamation lawsuit. Against judy and jim hoping to get the site taken down. But judy and jim refused. The couple filed their own counterclaims represented by harvard's berkman clinical program in cyber law the lawsuit at arguments dragged on until it was too late by that point. The wind up changes website. Had already done its damage. Gwp's business and reputation had plummeted once again. John and mary were in financial trouble. Then in the summer of two thousand six. The state of maine charged. Gwp with violating the fair trade practices. Act the attorney. General admonish john and mary for claiming the devices provided health benefits without any scientific evidence a few months later. Gwp's lawyers quit saying they hadn't been paid by the end of that year. Gwp reached a settlement. With judy and jim and dropped their suit. Gwp was dissolved. And judy and jim didn't have to close down their site. They received an undisclosed dollar amount as compensation john mary and gwp were gone for good or so. Everyone thought but like russian healer on a totally kashperovsky once did the millers rose from the ashes of their failed cult a year later in two thousand seven they reemerged under the name family systems research group then john and mary founded each ching systems and art works which is still operational today in two thousand eighteen. Mary died of a stroke at age. Sixty nine however another group family wife. Shelley miller appears to be helping john lead the organization into the modern era itching. Gift shop still sells the same instruments as gwp once did however they no longer claim to heal physical illnesses instead. The devices are vaguely intended to provide balance. Destiny card readings zoom seminars are also offered. The millers seemed to have partially learned from their past mistakes. Most of the sites pages display a disclaimer that the tools and information aren't fda approved. No one has seemed to notice. John miller's resurgence. It's likely because each ing isn't the only vendor offering balance and relaxation today. the new age marketplaces filled collectible. Crystals intention candles essential oils and so much more. These so-called solutions have become a million dollar industry in the united states but most of today's businesses are more marketing scheme than cult. According to a two thousand seventeen study by the public religion research institute many americans define themselves as spiritual but not religious within this group many new age believers no longer commit to one faith instead. They browse the spiritual supermarket for elements. They like to form their own. Faith system spirituality can be a fun way to express yourself but people have to be vigilant new age. Quick victims are big moneymakers. And as we've seen dangerous faith. Healing cults are often driven by greed when a country's institutions fail its citizens. They try to build their own solutions. But we need to make sure that these new solutions are grounded in facts and science too often. Desperate people are taken advantage of by snake. Oil salesman with grand baseless claims medical research can move slowly and treatment can be expensive or inaccessible but in most cases. There's no quick fix to solve this problem. And it seems there's no such thing as a miracle cure and for those who claim to have one. We should be wary if it sounds too good to be true it probably is off. Thanks again for tuning into colts. We'll be back next tuesday with a new episode. You can find all episodes of cults and all others spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify. We'll see you next time. Colts is a spotify original. From par cast executive producers include max ron cutler sound designed by anthony val with production assistance by ron shapiro. Carly madden and bruce. Kato vich this episode of colts was written by mallory. Kara with writing assistance by robert tyler. Walker and kate gallagher fact checking by claire cronin and research by brian patriots and chelsea would cults stars. Greg colson and vanessa richardson.

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Stafford's Gone...So What Now for Patriots?

Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles

34:47 min | 4 months ago

Stafford's Gone...So What Now for Patriots?

"He's been rigged the guard Patriots podcast with Nick cabins. You know, I did my column for bsj that night that it happened. And and so the logical thing was to go through. All right. Well, where are we on the QB Market? Because really Nick when we started talking about this the Rams weren't really on the list, right? You knew they were maybe an outside possibility, but in terms of like real suitors for Stafford you figured I you know the Colts, you know, maybe Washington maybe the Patriots say that San Francisco. Yep, and so a lot of us including myself just because I I would like to see the Patriots wind up with a better quarterback situation this past year. I was rooting for the 49ers to get in there and I thought he would be sort of the right fit. What's interesting is that you know, Kyle Shanahan basically Sean mcvay's basically a Kyle Shanahan disciple, so he did go to that tree, but he wage To McVeigh instead and so that's a real, you know, upset to the offseason Carousel for the quarterbacks that we have been talking about and that will be talking about Thursday until it's over probably into and through the draft at this point. So I thought that the the biggest shock was that the Rams came out of nowhere. Not that I don't think Stanford an upgrade on golf. I do, you know, we could talk about the compensation and and how outlandish it was or not. But for me in terms of how it affects the Patriots the first one run through after this with Stafford off the board. I really didn't have anybody for the Patriots. I didn't have I had I had the Broncos holding a steady job with Drew lock. I had the 49ers holding steady with Jimmy Garoppolo, and I had the Patriots with nobody and that really scared me and Confused me off. And now I did it a second time and I said, all right. Well, maybe they're maybe that's another upset maybe because of the Rams making their move and they're in the same division and McVeigh and off hand have a rivalry. Right is Shanahan going to stay put I think that maybe he does make a move and I think if he does make a move, I think it's for a guy he's worked with before he thinks running this system grade has run a system great in the past and that's Kirk Cousins. But again, there's no guarantee that the Vikings are going to get rid of cousins cuz it's a huge dead cap hit for them to get rid of them. So Nikki know what you think, but for me and the Patriots, I think this was a this was not a good move for them and it's a little bit scary out there. There's a lot to unpack phone number one the idea of the Rams getting this deal done. This is business as usual for Less need and Company. I mean continue to bail on the future and they say hey we're going to deal as many first-round picks as we can log. To bring back Talent Jalen Ramsey Brandin Cooks. And now of course Matthew Stafford. I had tweeted before the weekend hit that sure the Rams were a possibility but I found it to be very tough. They were Thirty million dollars in the red. They did not have a first-round pick this up coming April and they had Jared Goff to get rid of I had no idea that Detroit would say yeah, we'll take Jared Goff in a forty million dollars guaranteed still left on that contract. I think again, we've got to look at these specific situations Brad Holmes from the Rams organization now running the Lions operation and Detroit and so homes obviously has familiarity with Jared Goff and feels like he's at least a good quarterback. I'm not a big fan, but hey to each his own and of course the Rams they had to pay because of the contract that they gave Jared Goff which was asinine in this again goes in line with what they've done Tavon Austin Robert Quinn. You can go to Todd Gurley Jared Goff all of those guys dead. First-round picks and after their third year signed to extensions that backfired every single one of them. So because again, you're stuck with that kind of situation in that contract backfired on you again, you had to give up an extra first-round pick. So now you got to give up two first-round picks and a third not only to bring Stafford in but also to get rid of that golf contract as long as far as the NFC West Greg, you know, you look at quarterbacks and right now San Francisco, I mean where they at, right? I think you're right. They've got the 4th ranked quarterback in that Vision. You've got Marie. You've got Russell Wilson and now you've got Stafford. Yep. I I would tend to agree with you, especially when you when you factor in durability. And you know, what's Belichick always says the best ability is availability. Jimmy just hasn't had it. Point Blank now, that's not to say it's going to continue. There's a belief in NFL circles that a lot of players just go through stretches and it can be multiple years. I remember covering Aaron Rodgers and he was like this at the beginning of his career when Favre was still there. I mean every time Aaron Rodgers got a chance to play his first couple of years. He got hurt and maybe that's the that's the way it is with Jimmy, who knows as far as the draft compensation, you know, I know people look at it and they're they're over the Moon. I mean, I like it for the lions in terms of I like how they're not getting a first-round pick this coming year. It's down the line because look I think the Rams are going to be probably pretty good for this one year at least maybe two but after that with with a team with the lions that you know is just rebuilding those are great building blocks for them and you know, who knows what else they can add their repertoire done online. Now as far as the compensation itself, basically the way it works in the NFL is You know first round picks are a little bit different but largely future Pixar are valued one round later. So a first in 2022 is actually a second or Thursday. It's somewhere along those lines or like a very late one budget a first-round pick, you know, three years out is viewed as like a late second-round pick that's just the way it's viewed and what have you but you're right in terms of the calculation that it was basically the deal was a first and a third for for Stafford and then it was off first to get rid of golf and and really the Rams had Very few chances or opportunities in terms of teams that they could do this with it had to be somebody who was going to have cap space and who was going to be rebuilding that they didn't mind taking a cap hit basically for two years but recouping a first-round pick so it was a very limited pool in terms of that and you know congrats on the Rams on finding somebody to do that song, you know, you're right the Rams are a whole separate side topic the thing less need and what he does. Let's leave that to the side. Yeah, but just in terms of Sean McVay, you know, he's still very young in his career. I'm starting to worry a little bit Nick about him that he's starting to get a a Young Jon Gruden 5 to me in age and McVeigh actually studied under John group. And that's where he came into the league. That's where he learned were Gruden is this reeks of You know, I I it's my scheme. Yeah, and my scheme Works. Yep, and if it's not working that means the players work executing the scheme aren't working. Yes, especially the quarterback and you know, how do you fall in love and out of love? I mean look say what you want about your golf and I certainly have my issues with him. But in that scheme with McVeigh off the guy stats her off the charts. He's won a crapload. They were how many minutes away from winning a Superbowl two years ago. You give him a contract extension and like less than two years later. You're you're trading them out of town unloading him. And so and really is Stafford that much of an upgrade on golf. Like I I think he's better but look Matthew Stafford hasn't won. He hasn't put his the Lions ever over-the-top. They they they never really want any games that they shouldn't have and he's thirty-three with dead. Bat bad back and you know, who knows there's a lot of Whispers in NFL circles just about you know, his intangibles in the locker room. Yeah, he's been tough and tough things out and we thought that but there's a piece missing. There's always Nick, you know that I was in the NFC North and so I saw Stafford a couple of times a year. I've gone there for Patriots joint practised. I spent a decent amount of time in Detroit and every time I go there I don't know there's just there's something missing with Matthew Stafford and and it's it's a bold move for the Rams. I like them. He was my white whale of the off-season I thought he quarterback that was going to be available. I think when he's healthy, he's the top ten quarterback and I don't I don't put his losses on just him some of them certainly but when you play for a trash organization Detroit has been and they just did not surround him enough, especially at defense has been a dumpster fire for a long time. So, yeah, I don't know how much you can cover up ugly right you can proud of you can try to put lipstick on the pig but inevitably birth. A pig and that's what Detroit has been. It's been a big fat pig for the last decade or so, so I'm not going to put all of that on staff are now let's go through your your second run down. You mentioned that you kind of went through the roll-call of quarterbacks took might land where and how it would affect the Patriots. So let's do it the Jaguar first Trevor Lawrence, we agree yet. That's going to happen. Second pick the Jets have it. You have them trading with Houston and bringing into Sean Watson. I actually agree with that as well. I do think that's the deal that eventually happens. I do think that the Sean Watson is with the Jets. You have the Falcons selecting Zach Wilson now dead and this is day. I did not have the Dolphins on the list. So I skipped over the Dolphins and they could be in play to they could be another team that although it does kind of sound like but you never know this time of year smoke screens puts out Mike and they hire Charlie Frye to be the quarterbacks coach. He coached to at the Elite 11 Camp. So there is a tie in there with their new hire at quarterback coach. Let's see what they do with o t o c which hasn't off. Well for Flores to into out his first two years, let's see what they bring in there. But I would agree with you. I think Miami sticks with two unless they pull the trade with Watson and really you're just flip-flopping if Miami trades for Watson could see the Jets use the pick and draft Zach Wilson. You had the selecting Wilson I kind of would go at Fields there. He's a Georgia kid. Now who No, rookie quarterback, and then you have anything early enough you have Detroit at second-guessing this now, like now that I'm looking at it. Yeah, I was surprised by that and I kind of I put it in bold and italicized it cuz it jumped out to me that you know, they just traded for golf and I was wondering if if that is more your evaluation of golf and you don't believe that he's going to be the long-term answer or you just like Trey Lance that much couple of things on that number one when I did this it was mostly I'm not the biggest golf fan and I'm like, you know, he's just a placeholder and you are wage. To him basically for two years, but you know you could do the Alex Smith Patrick Mahomes thing, which is what I would do because as we've seen there's nothing more valuable than a quarter bath and you know, who knows if Jared Goff all of a sudden takes off in Detroit, then you trade trade Lance or what-have-you Patriots quarterbacks barely ever lose value, but now looking at it off, I think they skip over a quarterback this year and but now now it gets interesting now that if Trey Lance or who have you exact William Wilson or Justin Fields, all of a sudden gets to say the 7 range and 8 range now, I think now I think you're looking at possibly the 49ers in the Vikings and you know, you look Washington and the Colts are going to be looking for a quarterback too. I think all of a sudden that's Prime trade area trade up and do the Patriots it that out. Watch other teams do that. I think that's sort of The X Factor. Yeah, it's interesting. I want to get to that in a couple of minutes because you think that's the the biggest question now that we have that Stafford's off the market. I just kind of look at them and I take the gist of it. Okay, you've got the Jags the Jets the Falcons the Panthers, I think you've got four teams in the top eight that want a quarterback and I think all of those teams will end up with a quarterback. I think one of those teams will end up with DeShaun Watson. So the way to look at this is the Jags the Jets the Falcons and the Panthers they all get a quarterback and it leaves one rookie quarterback left in my rookie quarterback that has left his trail and I don't think the the Lions make that pick I think they draft elsewhere to address the defense. They need a bunch Gala day is a free agent Marvin Joseph. They suck everything. So the best are available go 7 and then I think you know if fields are Wilson is there at 8 then the Panthers draft them because we just saw that the Panthers reportedly according to friend Bert Breer birth. They offered the 8th pick and something else for SNAP. So they're obviously in the market for the quarterback you're looking at we've been talking about for a while. Yep. And then I have that other quarterback that falls which would be trained to have that falling to I have him falling to Denver at night. So, yep. Now you start to look at it and you try to figure out what's going to happen from there because if all the four quarterbacks are gone, all the four rookies are drafted which I think they will in the top eight or nine and DeShaun Watson has been traded again. The question is what is left. Now, you have the Forty Niners you mentioned this a little while ago. You've got San Francisco trading for Kirk Cousins and there has been some momentum over the last 48 hours kind of picking up the idea of San Francisco making that move. I just, you know, if they made that move it would make sense cousins is more durable. I think one more solid year left on his contract. So if he doesn't work out they can kind of scrap and start all over again. I don't think they love Jimmy Geez. I don't even know if they like them a lot. I mean, it just seems to me that they're they're far from committed. You know last you can you Nick how can not to interrupt you but how can you be I mean every year that gets hurt. I mean, what are you trying to build like you're trying to win football games? If you're quarter, if you don't know your quarterback can be out there all the time then what are you building now? Of course I'm saying that and I want the Patriots to get them. But I mean, I'm just looking at it from the 49ers. I mean, maybe the Patriots think differently. Maybe they think will protect them better or this or that but in terms of San Francisco, like, how can you read what it to him if he's never of? Yeah, and when he was out there even more like to me even more than that Greg when he's been out there. They haven't asked to do much, you know, you go into a playoff game and you ask your quarterback to throw eight passes away when you're in the you know, Superbowl, they didn't ask them to do too much in the Superbowl and then when he had to do something in the Superbowl, he literally put up one of the worst fourth quarters. We've ever seen a quarterback having that game. So even when they log Needed him. They haven't necessarily said all right, we believe in Jimmy G throw the ball thirty five times. We're going to win this one day one mostly because of their defensive line and even a decent secondary, which is Richard Sherman. So they've they've one off of that Robert solid defense and they've won off the Run game in the Kyle Shanahan zone-read kind of Run game that that's how they want. They have not bought one games because Jimmy G is said jump on my back fellas. He's proven he can manage games and all that stuff, but you need a lot of things to work around him and it's interesting. I think the same thing can be said for Kirk Cousins. I think he's the kind of quarterback where if not everything is perfect around him. He's not going to be good enough. So maybe you get a slight upgrade. I think it would be more as you're saying that would be more of an indictment on the inability Garoppolo to stay on the field. That's why they would move because it's a slight Shanahan and Lynch might look at it and say well that's a slight upgrade but we feel confident that we'll have them for sixteen games Garoppolo. Who the hell knows so if it falls this way, you've got cousins going to San Francisco. You've got Minnesota then drafting Mac Jones, which would make sense if they dealt cousins and then you have Jimmy G Going to the Patriots. You also have Derek Carr to the Raiders Sam darnold to the Jets. So in this in this iteration of moves, you've got Jimmy G Donald to the Colts sir, Donald Donald to the Colts came from the Jets. And so in this iteration, you've got the Patriots getting Jimmy G. Now here here are my options and I want your thoughts on on this I think without Stafford and interestingly enough. I will get into how much the Patriots reportedly offered for Stafford which was interesting to me. But first foremost the number one option to me Greg and I don't know if you agree is for the Patriots to be Uber aggressive and the craft move up and land one of the top four quarterbacks. I think that should be option number one on the table. Well, that's it's an interesting thought and why don't I give you my answer right after I tell you about betonline.ag wage? 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I think option number one for this team should be be super aggressive and move up in the first round and get one of those top four quarterbacks. Yeah. Look, I'm not going to discount it. I'm I'm not going to say that I hate it. I just think that I think the Patriots are going to go with a veteran now. Will they will this be a Ryan Fitzpatrick type veteran or will it be somebody that that they make a move for I couldn't tell you. I mean, I just know that especially off this year with Cam. They've just realized they need a certain type of quarterback to operate their system and you know could involve a rookie at some point. Yeah that they trade up for sure. Yeah, but I think it's much more likely that that rookie sits so somebody's going to have to play. Okay, so I think yeah, you don't need a number one. I've got three doors. You're not the biggest fan of door. Number one, which is the Uber aggressive move up into the top or so to land that quarterback option to door. Number two is Jimmy G pag acquire him from San Francisco. You also draft Mac Jones at fifteen. Do you like door number two? I like it better than door. Number one. I mean at least that you get Jimmy the guy who can operate the offense and who knows what it's upside is maybe he's passed all his injuries like we talked about and off and he takes off and in that case you have Mac Jones and hopefully there's preseason down the line and things like that where you can showcase them and trade them if need be he can become the new Jimmy Garoppolo so to speak and so I like it. All right door number three is the veteran and so the question is who Could That Guy be if we say that Jimmy G because in your thoughts run through the quarterback class you had Jimmy G staying in San Francisco. So let's say that Jimmy G stays in San Francisco. Not a lot of options if you're not going to move up into the top eight to draft one of those top four quarterbacks, if you're not going to draft Mac Jones at fifteen or let's say Mac Jones Goes to the Vikings, which is your second run through at Fourteen and I would say if the Patriots like Mac Jones to try to LeapFrog Minnesota to draft him if that was the case, but let's say Mac Jones goes to Minnesota at 40,000. We're now looking at the rest of the Heap at quarterback. You're looking at Jameis Winston Ryan Fitzpatrick and Cam Newton a couple of other guys right off Andy Dalton out of all those guys. Where would you go Well out of that group of guys, I would probably go with Dalton. He was a guy that I wanted to to try this past off-season, you know, I wouldn't hate taking a wage Jameis but I just think his motion is too slow and I don't think he process is quite as quickly as you would like even though he's an upgrade over Cam Newton, but really I I think my sort of Dark Horse candidate Nick is dead. I want them to go get Gardner Minshew. I just think I think a lot of the guy I think he's he's the type of leader that you want. I've seen him throw with good anticipation. He has good film. He had some bad film. But if they could beat the, you know not beat if they can get the wild bucking bronco out of them a little bit. I think you got something there. I think my dark-horse candidate is Gardner Minshew. I think that he would be a good fit here. Here's what I don't want. I don't want half measures and I feel like now in getting one of those veteran guys as a half-measure like to me. You've got to find a quarterback and bought a bring in somebody who might not be significantly better than Cam Newton for 20 21. That's a problem. Like if you have the opportunity, which is why I say, my number one month option is to be aggressive move up and get the guy if you think the guy exists if you love Zach Wilson or Trail Lance or Justin fields and you have the opportunity to move up even if it costs you fifteen in a first-round pick next year do it because the most important thing is having the quarterback the guy that's going to be there for the next Dozen Years. And you know, I'm I'm a little concerned that we're going to see these half measures in the reason why another reason why I'm concerned Greg is not just a lack of options but their reports, I think it was Burt who wrote that the Patriots off. A second round pick and a player for Stafford that was their offer and to me that tells me they weren't serious to me that tells me that again they're going to draw the line and say we're not going to pay as much as I pay. And so now we're in that discussion again, right? We'll Belichick take the risk and trade she has to trade to get a guy is whether it's in the draft aggressively move up or just go out there and get a veteran because you know that offer for Jimmy for Stafford office is probably I don't know the fourth or fifth best offer that was on the table. So Belichick was not willing to bend over backwards to get Stafford. Yeah, I agree with you. I think that look I think what what the offer tells us is that the Patriots are going to stick to their values and there and look you could say well that wage opening maybe you could say that we can't discount that but look, I think the Patriots stuck to their value board, which is basically they look at Stafford as a thirty-three-year-old quarterback with a bad back who's never been a winner and they said second round plus a plus a player now. I've been trying to figure out who the player is and I don't necessarily know. It's a quote unquote specific player. Like it could have just been like we will offer you a second round plus you would we'll talk about each player in you tell us who you prefer or give us a shortlist. Yeah. Yeah that type of thing one thing. I did want to mention about the Patriots in the Stafford deal. Nick is that uh, look about the whole the Patriots. He said the one team he said no to was New England. Yeah, that was true it initially but at the by the end of the the trade Stafford also said no to Carolina and Denver who as far as I know we're certainly in the bidding and I think they went to Stafford and said, all right. Well, what do you think of these teams there in the ballpark? And he wanted to go to the ramps now. It's more about the Rams and I will say that to me it looks like everybody of course around here and the talk show radio hosts are going to be doubts. Matt. Patricia is the Patriots have no weapons. It's this it's that it's it's just it's a whole bunch of different things as far as I could tell from people. I've talked to Nick and and but really it's about the Rams and if you really look at it, you will get all the teams that were suitors for him. You know, when it came to look Stafford has a one he's running out of time, who knows he has not been he started to decline in terms of his durability lately. Iraq is probably playing for the Lions, but he has a very small window and he went with if you look at all the teams outside of maybe the Colts you could make an argument for but then again that's a whole Indianapolis thing Midwest. I think they wanted to get out in the midwest. But if you look at it, the Rams are the closest they just they are and so the Patriots are right now, you know as far as well. Are there's a lot of work to do in terms of you know, whether it's Denver or Carolina like the Patriots are in they're they're they're lumped into the field right now, right? That's just where they are. That's just reality and I think it had more to do with that from from people that I've talked to you than any of the talk radio topics that you've heard about. Yeah, and let's not discount the person relationship that is their lack between Stafford and McVeigh. There is a real relationship and he trusts McVeigh. And so I mean, I'm not surprised that he'd rather go to the Rams and the Patriots the Rams are arguably a Matthew Stafford away from being a Super Bowl team. I mean, that's the argument to make and I've heard, you know, there's a lot of other stuff that goes into it and I think the Matt Patricia the thing is obviously a piece of it, but I said last weekend, I don't know how much that would really affect the situation because how much is Patricia going to be in the air off? Stafford like you know, how involved is he going to be? It's going to be Josh McDaniels in the relationship with him. So I think it's a a number of factors as you mentioned. I don't think the Patriots are going to be struggling to find guys to to go to new window. So either either I think that's overplayed. I mean, let's not lose our minds over one dude who wanted to go to the ramps. He had the opportunity to direct the traffic the way he wanted to and that's what he did in Indianapolis. By the way, according to Bert Breer there another team that did not offer a first-round pick. They never offered 21 never took on the table. So it sounds like Chris Ballard had a very similar evaluation of Stafford as build that we did in Ballard as soon as one of the best in the business. Let's jump to the Boston Sports Journal. I remember question of the day check them out over at PSJA top-notch analysis all the Boston Pro Sports access to a ton of video analysis to have a dart does on the coaches film and you get direct access to him. The weekly chats as well $0.11 a day for their annual plan arnsworth 10:26 Greg if you are DeShaun Watson, do you really wave your no-trade Clause to go to the Jets? To get away from Jack easterby and the Texans. Oh, yeah that just tells you the dumpster fire. The Texans are right now is that you're like, you know, what about the New York Jets? Yeah. They got it together. I'm going there. Yeah, Woody Johnson came back. I feel good about God. I forgot about that Woodrow's back. What is that song? It's is all their problems are solved. Now that would ease back with a dumpster fire. That guy is but yeah look Nick we've talked about it. It's it's it's it's gotten that bad. I think I think I may I know there's a report. I think I just sucked Kalyn Kahler who I used to work with that S. I forgot where she is now, but she said that she's talked to two people have called the Texans about Sean Watson and they just said we're not trading it. Yeah, that's not a surprise. I mean, it's not even well. No, it is February now. It's early February. The league gear doesn't start for six more weeks. Nick's are just had a press conference where he said, you know, we're not trading DeShaun Watson that's their stance right now and it'll probably stay there until the very end whether its newly year and I think this actually wage goes more towards the draft. I think that's the deadline for Deshaun and I think that it's just going to ramp up and I think at some point in time I think watts is Doug in I think at some point in time stereo realizes. All right. This is a lost cause we're now a rebuild JJ Watts going to go Watson's going to go let's just let's do what the lions are doing. Let's do the same sort of thing. Let's just reboot in let's let's use whatever picks we get to get the next guy and all that stuff. I just yes, but I would wave my no-trade Clause to go to the Jets because it's New York Sala at least, you know is a good rock. I will see what else and there there is some Talent on that team any more offensive talent, but I don't think they're going to be that far away Defence off. Lee and you know he get the Sean Watson you add a couple of pieces, you know, and I think they can be pretty competitive pretty quickly my concern about Watson and that trade-off is what John McClane down in Houston who's as tapped in as anybody with that organization General completed out within the last day or two that the Texans they're starting point is two first-round picks two second-round picks and two defensive starters, the two defensive starters concerned the heck out of me because now you're not only messing with future you're messing with the present and inevitably if you're the Jets, you've got to ask the question. Yes to Sean Watson I think is an elite quarterback. I think he's one of the best five or six quarterbacks in the league and I think the second half of this off season. He was arguably the best quarterback in the league aside from Aaron Rodgers. Would that established how much better are you even if he is Elite at that position if you're shedding to first two seconds, and then you're taking somebody like I don't know Quinton Williams and somebody else off of your defense. You know, we've seen a lot of really good quarterbacks great quarterbacks be surrounded by mediocre talent and never get to where they should have gotten too. So, I guess that's a question that any team that's interested in bringing Watson in has to answer is it is it too much? Is it too much? No matter how good this guy is it too much taxes are always going to start high and I look at some point in time if the Sean sticks to his guns, he's going to put a decision to them. Like do you want to Are you really going to suspend the Sean Watson? Like if he doesn't show up or you going to start finding him and you're going to force him to sit out? Like that's your first act as general manager of the Houston Texans. Like how how is the rest of your 10,000 or you're going to go at least like just get it over with if it if it looks like it's over just get it over with trade him get as many first-round picks as you can don't worry about defensive starters and things like that. Just do that worry about getting the next quarterback and just rebuild because if it's going to be you think it's miserable there now wait until the Sean Watson is just sitting at home while the Texans are losing games and they're showing Nick deserio on on television during all this and fans are back in the stance and they're booing and its fiery being fire caesarea. Like it's just it's a complete Nightmare and Nick and Nick is say whatever he's going to say, but in actuality it's going to be a nightmare if he goes down that road. Yeah, they gotta move on and we're moving on he's dead. 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"Support for upgrade is provided by INSTA- bug and setup for the last four years we've been trying to figure out a mystery and it's taken us to all sorts of interesting resting places places. I never expected to go. It started just south of Market Street in San Francisco on a Spring Day in two thousand fifteen but four years later later in November two thousand nineteen the story. We've been following. All this time changed. It was no longer a debate about sound stability feel travel level or any of the other terms. We debated all that time just like that. Those conversations were over and we were left on the cold autumn streets of New York City with a smoking gun but no dead body. This is the story of the death of the butterfly keyboard who killed it and why. That's all very interesting but we'll we'll be dissatisfied with the butterflies which is on my computer from Really FM. It's upgrade. The story of technology told week by week. I'm Jason Snell. Here's how the story ends. It's November twenty nineteen and. I'm walking into a building in tribeca in New York City. You might think that Apple's headquarters in New York City is in the the show weekday glass cube on Fifth Avenue. Apple's retail store. But it's not it's this nondescript building down the street from a diner just off Broadway Vanity Fair calls it a patience loft in a civil war era five-storey former mansion in lower Manhattan a reader of the tribeca citizen described. It as basically. What you'd expect would happen? If apple decorated a tribeca apartment complete with glass staircase. It's true the two main levels of this building are connected by staircase as that wouldn't look out of place in an apple store there's beautiful furniture gorgeous brick walls. Apparently Apple hosted a party here back in March for publishing executives trying to convince since them what a good idea it was to join its apple news plus service Vanity Fair said that one attendee asked if they were at a party or awake such has the state of publishing in two thousand nineteen in any event I am not a New York publisher. I report about technology mostly Apple Technology and I've been invited. Aided here to hear about something now you have to understand. Apple generally doesn't tell you what you're going to hear about. You can get a sense based on. Who gives you the invitation? About what general product category is involved. But as I'm walking out of the cold into the lobby of apples building I don't know anything for sure. There will being announcement and later today. I'm coming back to interview someone. But that's it rumors had been swirling for some time that there's a new apple laptop coming a sixteen inch macbook pro and that it might have a new keyboard design. That's a big deal for apple watchers because the company's current line of laptops use a keyboard that a lot of people don't like more on that in a minute so I'm sitting on a leather couch with eight other media types listening to a presentation that starts with Apple Marketing Chief Phil Schiller and then moves onto a couple of product marketing managers. It's just after eight thirty in the morning. We're the first group of the day and that means we're the first people to learn that the rumors are true. There's a new sixteen inch laptop. Yes it's got faster chips and longer battery life in an upgraded audio system but what everyone. Here's the thing we all right down. Our notebooks tap into the notes APP on our phones is that the butterfly keyboard is dead. It's an ex keyboard. This new laptop has replaced it with something different or to be specific something something familiar. Something called a magic keyboard that night. My producer Mike early and I are Giddy with the news and then Mike I left one out the most people. I know this little drama here keyboard the keyboard the keyboard. The keyboard talked about the keyboard a lot while the death of a human being is a tragedy. The death of a computer keyboard should because for neither celebration nor grief and yet here. We are excited about a keyboard being replaced with a different keyboard a keyboard. It's hard to explain. Why but let me try? We have to go back a little further to where this story really begins. It's March Twenty fifteen in San Francisco at the European Lena Theater Apple is holding a special event with the title Spring in forward. And I'm sitting in the audience again. We don't know what apple's going to announce but the rumors are swirling after about half an hour of retail updates apple apple TV news and the announcement of health study. It's time for a product announcement. Tim Cook drops the news. That this is a new smaller macbook laptop and leaves the stage to Phil Schiller to explain the details among them is that apple has taken it on itself to design an entirely different keyboard. And it's not just any keyboard. It is an all new keyboard as you move to. A thinner design took entirely new kind of invention to make it a beautiful keyboard. It would take apple a year and a half to bring this keyboard to other Mac laptops and the new Mac book was thin light low powered and high price laptop. That didn't appeal to apple's most exacting and technical users they'd get at their moment to experience the new keyboard eventually but not yet. That was a time bomb. Ticking down for nineteen months but for those of us who got one and tried it out early reviews were not encouraging. I tried very hard to be even-handed but in the end I said I was not a fan. The biggest problem with something called travel. which is the amount of key moves downward when you press on it? Apple's old keyboards moved twice as much as the new ones. Now of course apple accentuated the positive so the team studied help help current keyboard technology works. Here's a slow motion video of customer typing on a standard keyboard. Did you see as the keys pressed through a bit wobbly in fact if you press them on the side they start to bottom out. Butterfly Mechanism is built a single assembly and it supported by stainless Steel Dome Switch and that all adds up to a key that is much more precise and accurate in fact it's four times more stable than that scissor mechanism forty percent thinner allowing us to make a thinner keyboard keys. Much more precise much more accurate even if you strike them on the side it it is a beautiful keyboard. I gotta be honest at that moment. In March two thousand fifteen. I had never ever ever heard anyone seriously criticized. The Keyboard for having keys is that were too wobbly but apple had decided that keeping keys stable even when you hit them off center was a priority so it invented an entirely new mechanism them to replace the scissor switch design that had been used on laptops for years. The new mechanism was shaped a bit like two overlapping wings and so they called it the butterfly who doesn't love butterflies. I was far from the only person who tried the MAC keyboard. Who didn't like it? Marco Armand's post on the matter simply said the macbooks keyboard is not good. I can type on the macbook but I'd rather not. But maybe the Mac doc was an outlier that reduced travel those new switches. They were all in service thin laptop. That was the most extreme. And I've had like Mac Apple had ever made aide in my review. I struck a note of hope I wrote that. I was hopeful that apple saw the keyboard is what it was a pretty serious compromise in order to get the computer thinner thinner rather than some breakthrough new keyboard that will be replicated on every other apple keyboard in the next year or two. We know how that turned doubt. Support for upgrade is provided by INSTA- Bug Goto INSTA- bug dot com slash upgrade to sign up today and is still there S. st K.. If you do you'll get a free INSTA- TEASHA and a fourteen day free trial Insta- bug is an St K.. Two takes complete care of your Beta testing and use a feedback process allowing you to the bug fix and improve your APP foster in Asia. 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It was an External Bluetooth keyboard after just a few months. People were already a little skeptical of the butterfly keyboard when discussing the keyboard on John Groups. podcast the talk show Serenity Caldwell of I'm more were referred to it this way. Let's see it's just called a keyboard. Yeah there's no magic keyboard magic keyboard because it has the new not butterfly mechanism but different scissor mechanism than previous keyboards. The Not Butterfly Keyboard like we dodged a bullet there. This one's not the butterfly keyboard now. Some of us with optimism still remaining in our hearts took it as a sign. That apple wasn't going to be satisfied with sticking with the butterfly keyboard. This was a weird design in created for a weird thin macbook and they weren't going to stick it into the rest of its laptops. Oh I was so much more innocent than this is what I wrote. The fear I A had was that apple would decide that the work done on the macbook keyboard shouldn't be limited to that product and the result would be that a new design fit for a tiny any laptop with spread across every Mac. If nothing else the new ninety nine dollar magic keyboard seems to suggest that the keyboard dystopia. I fear won't to come to be well the good news. I predicted the keyboard dystopia. The bad news is after reading. The tea leaves. I thought it had been averted then. A month later November apple announces something completely different. This is a new IPAD. It's the very first IPAD PRO and and along with it surprise. Surprise is another keyboard. Apple has created the keyboard so thin it doubles as an IPAD cover. It's called the smart keyboard. The Smart Keyboard uses the same butterfly mechanism as the macbook keyboard. But not in the same way in the smart keyboard. The keys aren't made of hard plastic. They're made of a fabric like like material that springs back on. Its own after you press it. It's a lot like the MAC book keyboard. But I'm more forgiving of it as are most other reviewers. It's an IPAD keyboard. Made A fabric. Averick sure it feels weird but it gets graded on a curve because it's so unusual so two thousand fifteen is the year of new apple keyboards. But there's no controversy yet. It's not until the fall of two thousand sixteen things get testy in October. Apple calls the media to a special event at its townhall theatre on the old infinite loop campus. It's it's the same place where Steve Jobs unveiled the ipod back in two thousand one. It's a cramped space long since replaced with the much. More spacious Steve Jobs Theater at the company's new New Apple Park campus on stage apple. CEO Tim Cook is about to introduce a new line of macbook pro laptops. He put the introduction in the context context of the company's rich history of laptops complete with a video featuring swooping views of the original powerbook and numerous successors all leading up to a shot. The brand new model. Now you may not realize it but this week happens to be a huge week week in the history of the Mac and in the history of Apple. This week marks the twenty fifth anniversary off of our first notebook. Now the anniversary cook is referring to. Here is the release of the first generation of powerbook one hundred series in October. The one thousand nine hundred ninety one. What's interesting about this? Is that the powerbook one hundred. One Forty one seventy weren't actually the first apple laptops. No matter what Tim Cook claimed to tell that story. We have to go back two years earlier. September nine thousand nine hundred nine. When apple's Gianluigi got say introduced a sixteen pound Mac with a handle? Call the MAC portable beyond software ability. There is usage consistency consistency. Everything you do on a desktop machine we wanted you to be able to do on a portable Macintosh now just a little bit of note taking and Spreadsheet to work everything you do on a desktop. No subset of applications no Mac Junior no-compromise the compromise. Now if you ask classic Mac Aficionado. Stephen Hackett portable was a system. That was Jason Jason. Thank you so much I when losing focus on the keyboard now okay. The history of the MAC laptop is much more than the powerbook one hundred. There's the portable. There's the he made that. I think we can do those stories enough time. I think. Look if we just cut out the MAC port will stuff stick to the two thousand sixty MAC pro. Finale I think is going to make more sense. Yeah Okay Yeah you're right you're right. This is probably a tangent too far. Yeah Sorry Steven Oh okay should I go yeah. The most notable feature the 2016 macbook Pro wasn't it's butterfly keyboard. It was something called the touch bar a touchscreen strip place where the function keys would normally be on a traditional keyboard aboard now whether the touch bar has been a success or a failure in the ensuing. Three years is debatable. But that's a different podcast. Just listen to how Phil Schiller blows past the keyboard to the touch bar. The keyboard is all new as well. It uses the butterfly switch mechanism that we pioneered twelve inch macbook. But now we've applied it to a professional notebook and in this case is a new switch mechanism a second-generation butterfly it's more responsive and gives is an even greater sense of keyboard travel as you press on it. It is a great keyboard. I could talk all day about it but I think you're probably looking at that area just above it that's it. Apple clearly doesn't think going to the butterfly keyboard is an issue. It's an afterthought to the shiny new technology of touch bar but on the accidental tech podcast Marco. Arment has noticed something you'll remember. He was a critic of the original Mac Book Keyboard. What he's noticed noticed is that apple has gone out of? Its Way to say that the keyboard in the MAC book pro is not quite like the one in the Mac book I it was interesting to like in Johnny any. I've explanation video that they really hammered on the fact that this was the second generation butterfly key switch like they really made it very clear. This is not the same keyboard. This is an improved keyboard. That was kind of a tacit knowledge of like the first one wasn't very good or was at least controversial so they really want us to know that this is new and improved proved. We'll see if it actually is now. The two thousand sixteen Mac pros were controversial and for a lot of different reasons since they were all more expensive than previous models. The touch bars usefulness was debatable. They switched from the longstanding. USB connector that had been used to connect peripherals to Mac since the original Mac to the new USB see standard meaning that new buyers would need to buy new cables special adapters to use their old devices with the new laptops. But the thing that really bugged a lot of people was the keyboard. And what's worse. There was no alternative Keyboard preferences highly personal. There's no keyboard that can be called objectively actively better than another. Because we all look for different things in our keyboards and of course we're only human. Change is hard to adapt to an apple was asking every MAC book pro crow user to adapt to a new keyboard style but people really didn't like the keyboard didn't offer much travel. It felt weird. The QUILA wasn't quite right. He made a loud crunching. Sound when you typed and those people had nowhere to turn because apple's the only company company that makes Max you hated. USC You could buy dungle. You hated the touch bar. You could ignore it but you can't replace a laptop keyboard if you wanted to stick with the MAC and you WanNa Laptop made after twenty fifteen. You had to use the butterfly keyboard now. If the only flaw the butterfly keyboard was that it felt weird and sounded different. Perhaps it could have survived over the years. People seem to get used to the new keyboard. Maybe it was just begrudging acceptance but that might have been enough. Apple might have managed to whistle past the graveyard accept. It turns out that aesthetics weren't the only problem with a butterfly keyboard. It was unreliable. It was a keyboard that couldn't type right. That was fatal flaw. The support for upgrade is provided by setup setup one of the best ways to find applications for the MAC. 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They'll tell you what keys to hold down to reset your laptops power system or how to tell the difference between different versions of an AMAC. This one was different. How to clean the keyboard of your macbook or Ormoc Pro if your book twenty fifteen and later or macro twenty sixteen and later has an unresponsive key or key that feels different than the other keys when you press it? Faulty steps to clean the keyboard with compressed air as you follow these steps remedies. The strong fluid with the compressed air to air flow and keep the end of the straw about a half inch away from the keyboard as spray. Also remember to invert the air can while you're spraying one. Hold you back notebook at seventy five degree angle. So it's not quite vertical vertical to use compressed air to spray the keyboard or just the effective keys and left to right motion three rotate your Mac notebook to its right side and spray the keyboard again from left to right four. Repeat the action. This time with your MAC notebook rotated to its left side. If any keys are still unresponsive tip after you follow these steps visit an apple retail store or apple author. I service provider for service in October. Two thousand seventeen a full year after the macbook pro with a butterfly keyboard came out the website the outline posts a piece by tech writer. Casey Johnston called bad tech. The new MAC book keyboard is ruining my life. The story starts with Johnston standing in the apple store in grand central station while an apple genius investigates why every time she presses the space bar on her keyboard. It generates two spaces. The best genius can offer is an explanation that maybe it's a piece of dust. That was the third time Johnston had heard that explanation action. When the problem is a problem and other people are having it and other people are coming in claiming? And you're pretending like they're some crazy weird one off or innocuous like the that line that I kept hearing. Oh maybe it's just a piece of dust is like you know in your life cosmic overlord apple brain that you have done something wrong here and even if the genius this doesn't know it someone somewhere up the chain knows it so for someone to be telling me that my problem is like some sort of non problem is really kind ended messed up now. If there's a smoking gun in the death of the butterfly keyboard a keyboard that was already not particularly beloved by a lot of people people because of the reduced key travel was also clearly unreliable stickies double keys tech notes about spraying compressed air at a seventy seventy five degree angle in order to blow out debris it's as if the butterfly keyboard was designed in one of those perfectly white perfectly clean rooms where they prepare space probes robes or create silicon chips to make it thin a more precise we created a sturdy single assembly butterfly mechanism combined combined with a new stainless steel. Dome Switch. This reinforces the keyboards balance and stability. The Butterfly Keyboard proved to be especially vulnerable honorable to hair and dust and crumbs. And all the other real world items that get into keyboards and you have to wonder did apple not know this from the start are apple product designers all just remarkably fast idiots. Did Johnny I have a strict no food in the lab policy. Oh Oh he probably did didn't he. Yeah Yeah probably did anyway. It also turned out that there was no way to replace broken key on this keyboard apple had to replace the entire top of the case a single crumb could lead to a chain of events that required the laptop to be sent out for major surgery. Now you're saying to yourself. This sounds ridiculous. Shirley apple one of the most innovative companies in technology with step up and solve the problem and in the summer of two thousand. Eighteen apple took another crack at it. I it declared a sort sort of amnesty for old keyboards by extending its warranty program to cover repairs on all the laptops that were made with a butterfly keyboard. Apples determined that a small percentage of the keyboards in certain macbook. Macaire and MAC book throw models makes it at one or more of the following behaviors letters or characters repeat unexpectedly deadly letters or characters. Do Not Appear keys feels sticky or do not respond in a consistent manner apple or an APP authorized service provider your service eligible macbook MAC air and macbook pro keyboards. Free of charge. The type of service will be determined after keyboard examined and may involve replacement of one on her marquees or the whole keyboard. Apple didn't stop there. It also released new models within silicone barrier under the key caps ups apple said it was there to make typing quieter but a lot of people were suspicious that it was also an attempt to protect the keyboard from debris. It didn't work. If Casey Johnston helped kill the Butterfly Keyboard The Wall Street Journal's Joann Stern is certainly in the lineup of suspects in the spring of twenty. Nine thousand nine. She posted a story and video. That went into great detail about how apple's keyboards including the altered one in the newest models just didn't work right. Some people have used all three generations of this keyboard models meet in two thousand fifteen two thousand nineteen have experienced issues. This big issues some keys. Don't register some keys registers twice so you get a double letter. Sometimes the keys get stuck and I've had most most of those issues with the key and sometimes the RT on my new. Mac Book. Air and not to be outdone. Casey Johnston posted a new item on the outline. In April of Twenty Nine thousand nine headlined Headline Apple Os. Everyone an apology and it should start with me. Specifically Apple continue to insist that only a small percentage of people or experiencing trouble with their keyboards boards. But how would it know really think about it. A apple statistics are presumably coming from counting the number of people coming into apple stores complaining of Keyboard Problems and dividing that by the total number of laptops sold doesn't take into account all the people suffering in silence silence or taking care of the problem themselves with a can of compressed air from the local hardware store. Let me give you one example. My daughter has a Mac book with a Butterfly Keyboard Award and before she went off to college. I asked her if she would having any trouble with the keyboard. She said she wasn't except that keys. We get stuck sometimes and eventually they'd get unstuck by Apple's metrics. She's a satisfied. Customer Apple Change The Butterfly Keyboard. One last time and for all we know it may have actually solved the problem. I haven't heard a lot of stories about the newest butterfly. flaky boards failing but the damage had already been done. The word was out in newspapers and magazines and websites and spreading by word of mouth South Apple laptops bad keyboards. And you shouldn't buy them. Did Apple truly fixed. The Butterfly Keyboard wasn't even possible to ever really fix. It didn't matter it needed to go and there was a new keyboard waiting in the wings and so who killed the butterfly keyboard if all the popular podcasts about crime taught me anything. It's that it's hard to find satisfying answer to these questions. Nobody Killed The Butterfly Keebler. Everybody kilter what matters is that. It's dead head Jason. Is that the end of it. What do you mean after all of this just saying that? There's no onset Mike. If you listen to serial do you watch the wire. There are no easy answers to anything if we want to do. A tech true crime podcast. We have to nail the ending. There are no easy answers. No Jason we can be better than cereal. We can give a satisfying ending. I think saying there are. Yeah no easy way upcoming in. I'm coming in the in here. Yes in here. I liked this episode so for but you've missed so many angles to this story. Jason there are so many unexplored chapters. Look I've been doing my research Who Killed The butterfly? The flight keyboard there are many suspects. What about Sir Johnny? Ive who insisted on making apple's devices as thin as possible. The original Mac book keyboard has his fingerprints. It's all over it. Maybe it was the engineer who decided that the scissor switch just wasn't cool enough and there was a new way to make keyboards. That never been tried it before but was ready to be discovered Mike you know the venerable scissor switch has its origins in the laptop designs of the early nineteen eighties but to really understand the complexities cities. The situation we need to go back to the start the creation of the first typewriter the year is eighteen seven. No No. We're not doing this again. We're not going to eighteen seventy four. Nobody cares about the history of the typewriter. Chase have ten minutes with Glenn Fleishman talking about the origins of Metal Night No uh-huh no no. Let's consider the media people like Casey Johnson Ju- Aniston Marco Werman. They focus on this problem until apple realized that the situation couldn't go on to coordinate. Their efforts did they use. John Group was blog as a clearinghouse for complaints knowing that key apple executives watching the blog closely did the mainstream media. Kill the keyboard really Jason. You'd be surprised. I I have learned. This goes way deeper than you think. Let's consider the touch bar. You mentioned it in passing but the touch bar and the butterfly keyboard. They go hand in hand. It's like a match mating keyboard L.. If to touch Baugh was there at the time the macbook pro was announced that makes it in accessory to the crime. Look I've got about ten minutes about the touch bar here if you want me to put it in. I don't want it. I'm just saying the touch bar is suspect and Nash is to stop. It goes deeper. You haven't been talking to the escape key troopers again have you. There's a reason it's called escape. Also this unless people Paul and I'm now a member of the Patriots they've just got like the greatest perks or consider the St cod slow. It disappeared in two thousand sixteen upsets many photographers and people think. New Photography is now in two thousand. Nineteen apple brings back a scissor keyboard. And yes the escape key. But where's the COD slow What's the story there? Phil Schiller I said to Marco that he just uses an adapter dungle Jason. You think this whole thing can be explained away over Dongo and disappointed in you and let's not forget this exchange from an apple quickly analysts call. We have the next question please. Her next question comes from Jim. Cross the Christly search then company. Got a question for you. Maybe we'll have something. What if you've gotten any reports that the butterfly keyboard and the New macbook PRO is unpopular. Maybe and shouldn't have ever been released. I could Tim We feel really great about the keyboard. we're very bullish as I've said before My view is there will be a day in the future feature that we look back and apple's greatest contribution We'll a keyboard. I don't remember that happening. A happened last offspring. Maybe you didn't transcribe that one. Maybe you're on vacation. I want to notice that question was thank you was that you did you make a fake AAC analysts call. Now who's getting carried away with conspiracy theories you know. I can't do an emergency on you. You're getting it's definitely you know. No Jason Look I forget about that. Are you ready for me to blow your mind. Do have a choice. The entire premise of this episode Jason. It's wrong how do you feel about that it. Actually I kind of love that if crime podcasts have taught me anything. It's that there's usually a great twist that makes me question everything. I thought I knew well. I went to an apple store Elliott today Jason. Do you know what I found. The Butterfly Keyboard is not dead but all they're everywhere they're still selling the thirteen inch macbook pros the Retina Macula cares. They both have the butterfly keyboard inside. How can it be dead if they're still out there selling them today? Nobody Killed The Butterfly Keyboard. Jason Nobody Eddie Look in two thousand twenty. It's inevitable. That apple is going to introduce nobody. This upgrade special report was a production of relay. FM The producer producer was Mike Hurley executive producers. Were Stephen Hackett. And like her she additional voices were provided by Quin rose and Edina Hurley. This episode was written written and presented by me Jason Snell with additional production help from Bryan Hamilton. Down now. This story is over. Aw on the next upgrade their famous claims. 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Learn more about the peleton bike at one peleton dot com or visit your local showroom time for straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. Best phones, best networks, no contracts, and you got to start with the National Football League here on this Wednesday. We have four big playoff games coming up here on wild card weekend all of them. As a matter of fact, I think are very very appealing in my opinion. I cannot wait to get to these games. Three of the four. Of course are rematches from games that were played earlier during the regular season. But there's also a lot of news happening off-the-field involving teams. That aren't going to be part of the postseason derby when all of the off the field nonsense and all of the chatter and all of the drama that really lead to some of the downfall for these teams. And that is why they are not playing football in January. And of course, we gotta start with the Pittsburgh Steelers here and Mike Tomlin the head coach spoke a little while ago for the first time since the season ended there on Sunday and season, which I don't know how you want to slice it. There are a lot of teams in the national football equal, of course, missed out on the postseason this year, Pittsburgh being one of them. And I think when you look at the Pittsburgh Steelers, maybe more so than any other. You could split hairs. I think the Minnesota Vikings were also team that had a lot of expectations when two thousand eighteen began. But if you look at the Pittsburgh Steelers to me that is probably the club that underachieved more so than any other. And especially when you consider how they began the season at the midway point in November. We're sitting there talking about a Steeler team, which you know, what this is going to be the year possibly were. Everything comes to. Gather for them. This is going to be the year where they finally able to overtake the New England Patriots. And whoever else is gonna come in their way in the AFC and get to a Super Bowl, but it didn't happen for them. Instead, the wheels came off and everything just completely bottomed out. And it's funny because for the first half of the season, we were throwing bouquets at this organization that they finally did a good job of blocking out. All the noise blocking out all the distractions. You know, that was one thing that you may be wanted to say that Mike Tomlin while he was the head coach was guilty of a little bit. Right. Maybe not doing as good of a job allowing all that noise to stay out and acting the way they play on Sundays. And we all know how the season began it began with the on bell deciding to stay away because he wanted to get paid. He didn't wanna play under the franchise tag. He didn't think that that was good enough form. He wanted a long-term deal the Steelers balked, and then he said, you know, what fun. I'll sit out the entire. Two thousand eighteen season, which he did we know that James Connor filled in and in absolutely wonderful job for him. But then he ultimately went down with an injury. But that's still was not enough to keep the Steelers away when you get off to the start that they got off to they still should have been in the playoffs here, but laving on bell. It was an act of selfishness that began their season and some of they have to deal with throughout much of two thousand nineteen and if you look at what was ultimately the final chapter for this. Pittsburgh Steelers team here in two thousand eighteen it was also an act of selfishness. Because when we got the word that it wasn't a knee issue that kept Antonio Brown out of that game against the Cincinnati Bengals on Sunday when we found out that it was because AB throw a hissy fit in practice and walked away from the team and was unreceptive to the head coach and other members of the organization reaching out to him. And they did not the only thing they could have done the activating them for the game against the Cincinnati Bengals. Then we find out that he leaves the stadium at halftime of the game. You can't make this stuff up. I mean, this is opposed to be professional football. How are we talking about a guy who in the most important game of the season? His team's fate is on the line. Yes, they needed help. We know that. But if they didn't win it wasn't going mean anything, and how do you tell me that this guy just all of a sudden decides to go rogue and say, I'm more important than the team. My feelings are more important than all the other guys in this locker room. You know, what I don't need guys like that on my team. And I don't know what an Tonio Brown's future is on the Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't know what two thousand nineteen is going to hold. But guess what? I would have to think long and hard if I'm in that locker room again next year about welcoming him back into my room as if nothing happened. And we know that Antonio Brown is guy who was acted out in the past. We've seen a MAC selfish before remember, the whole Facebook live thing, or Snapchat, or whatever he did in the locker room after the win against the Kansas City. Chiefs all those years ago taking the whole world inside what is supposed to be a sacred place the locker room environment after a playoff game. No less can't have that. You just can't have that. And the fact that the head coach that the quarterback that other guys on that team were trying to reach out to him and couldn't get a hold of them. Leading up to the biggest game of the season. You tell me what that means you tell me it's the perfect icing on the cake for what by and large wasn't extremely disappointing season for this football team. And that's how it's going to be remembered. Now, I'm not sitting here saying that, you know, the Steelers should move on from Mike Tomlin or anything like that. I don't think that that's the solution. And by the way, you know that the Steelers don't do things like that. Right. They've only had three head coaches for the last half century. They believe in stability and Mike Tomlin's are good football. Coach K. The guy's got a Super Bowl trophy the guys done some winning for that franchise. You walked in the lobby there at the Steelers headquarters, see all those Lombardi trophies there. Mike Tomlin's responsible for one of them. But sometimes the mix just isn't right. Sometimes you're overlooking talent to a certain degree or your focus too much on talent than you're overlooking. Some of the other stuff, which ultimately can sink your franchise and sink your football team. And I think that's the case of what happened here with the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's the bottom line. It was a bad mixed from the get-go. And I'm not just putting this all on leaving on bell. I'm not putting his all in on Tonio Brown. There's other guys, you know, what Ben Rothlisberger in my opinion is not. Without fault in this situation. Ben Rothlisberger did not exactly how all throughout the course of a season. A right. He threw the most interceptions in the National Football League this past year. He not exactly played an all pro level. I think he's some of the blame. I don't know how conducive is to success when for the last couple of years during the off season. You have your franchise quarterback throwing rumors out there like, yeah. You know, what I might hang them up. Yeah. You know, what this might be it for me? You know, if you're constantly talking about retirement, and if you're constantly talking about hanging it up. How is that going to be good for the organization? Bill Parcells used to say if you have one foot out the door, and you're ready talking about retirement, if you're thinking about retirement, you're retired ready. That's me does not help the betterment of the organization and the team it self. But this team should have been. I mean on cruise control to the playoffs this year cruise control if you looked at this team on paper offensively with everybody pulling in the right direction. And I'm including Levy on Belen that which we know he wasn't part of it. But if everybody who was a Pittsburgh Steeler was on that field this year. I mean, they had the potential to rewrite the offense of record books. That's why when I talk about a disappointment Minnesota to me is huge disappointment in the NFC for what they did you give her cousins eighty four million dollars. You don't make the playoffs. That's hugely disappointing Pittsburgh on the other hand. I think even more so just because Minnesota I don't think at least on one side of the ball in particular has much. On paper that the Pittsburgh Steelers had and this is a proud franchise. A very proud franchise. And there's almost some parallels to a certain degree with the Pittsburgh Steelers. And the New York football giants, and I'll get to them in just a little bit too. Because they've get them in the general manager of the giant spoke about what lies ahead for that team in the off season. But if you look at the Steelers, you look at the giants, okay? And I'm not saying that the giants X petitions were on par with where the Pittsburgh Steelers were, but we know that they had a very disappointing season. They had a brutal first half. And then it was way too late for them to pick up the pieces, but they both have franchise quarterbacks guys who were part of that fame two thousand and four class and while Ben Rothlisberger didn't play necessarily as well as maybe people would have liked for him to play ally. Manning went out there, and to a certain degree showed you some things completion percentage was as good as it's ever been in his career. But the team still didn't win in other assets of what the statistics you look at for. A quarterback. They weren't up to par. Let's say some of these other guys in and around the National Football League. There was some drama that they had to deal with always with Odell Beckham, it something this or something that just like the Pittsburgh Steelers with their guys, you know, and I don't know what the future holds for the giants and alive. We'll get to that in a minute. I don't know what the future holds for him and del Beckham junior. But we know what the Pittsburgh Steelers. They're now faced with some very difficult decisions that they have to make moving forward. That's the bottom line when the organization when Mike Tomlin when when art Rooney when when Kevin Colbert, the general manager when they're going to sit there and try to figure out how did this whole thing. Go wrong. This is certainly a huge huge area of concern. And I'm not saying that this blew up their season. I'm talking about the Tonio Brown situation. But it clearly is not a good look. And while Mike Tomlin was addressing the media about an hour or so ago out there in Pittsburgh, you have in Tonio Brown. Posting a mess. On social media saying, quote, my options may seem limited by people or circumstances. It is then I remind myself, I'm in command of my attitude. I'm divinely blessed with free will utilize that gift choosing to take charge of my life to express the creativity vitality and wholeness that truly define me. You know, what should we be surprised? This isn't only about Antonio Brown. This is the there's a lot of guys in sports that have exposed themselves as me players not just in Tonio Brown. But just think about this for a second. You have the most important game of your season week seventeen all the marbles just for one game. And this guy decides to go away. We'll this guy's unhappy about whatever we find out to be that it really is. Whether it was because he wasn't voted the team MVP, and he was jealous of juju. Smith, Schuster, whatever. Rumors have been kind of. Circulating the last couple of days. How do you allow that to come between? What you've done for the last several months and with each and every one of those guys in that locker room who are playing hurt who are just trying to get to the finish line doing anything. They can to help that team win. And you put yourself ahead of the group like that. Like, I said earlier if I was in that locker room, I would have to think long and hard about welcoming him back with open arms. Ben Rothlisberger went on the air yesterday in Pittsburgh and said all the right things about you know, what Antonio Brown's a friend of mine is a teammate of mine. He makes me better. I make him better that might be all well and good and Ben might be at the end of the line right now. And maybe he does have one eye on the future. And certainly he's played way more football than he has left in front of them. But that's still shouldn't change things. Right now. This culture right now is problematic with that franchise. And it's a franchise that as I said has been very reluctant over the years to go out there and make significant. Change. They don't fire coaches they stick with their program. They have belief in the guys they hired to do the job. And I commend them for that. Because more often than not it's been successful. Every guy in the last fifty years who has had the head. Coach's title for the Pittsburgh Steelers has won a Super Bowl Chuck Nolan a bunch of them Bill cower finally got over the hump and one one. And of course, Mike Tomlin has taken the team to the big game twice. And he has one of those trophies. Is it a stretch to say that the Steelers are never going to win again? While Mike Tomlin is the coach. I don't believe that to be true. Mike Tomlin probably has to ask himself. The question. Do I want to be here and be part of this? You know, is this the environment that I want to be aboard. And guess what? If Mike Tomlin if they ever decide to have a mutual parting of the ways, for example, and Mike Tomlin decides, you know, what I'm going to go. Elsewhere, maybe throw my name in the free agent, head coaching waters and see who else maybe takes the byte. He'll have a job and five seconds Super Bowl winning head coaches. Like that don't stay on the market, very long. You're going to see that with Mike McCarthy here coming up probably in the next couple of weeks. I'd be shocked. I'd be shocked if we get to even through the second week of the playoffs and Mike McCarthy is not the head coach of some other team right now in the National Football League that he interviews with. But the Steelers have some things they got to work out because there is no reason none whatsoever. Ever that as we get set to embark on the NFL playoffs that the Pittsburgh Steelers are not one of the twelve teams that are competing for that top price that to me is almost a catastrophe right now in the National Football League. And if I'm the ruining family, I'm sick to my stomach that we're not playing this weekend. And if it was an ownership group that was a little bit more impatient. That doesn't know what to winning. Maybe they do decide to cut ties with the people in charge and say, you know, what I'm not standing for this. But that's not been the Steelers way the thing that they have to investigate here is how do you remove that culture that toxic attitude from the locker room? How do you get it out of their lady? I'm bell was easy. It took care of itself. He stayed away. Because that was all contractual that was all financial they just kept him out of the way, and he stayed away because he wanted to get paid even more. So than what the franchise tag was willing to offer for one year. He wanted security. He wanted a long-term deal. Antonio. Oh brown. It's not about money. He's getting paid. He got his contract. So there's a different story there. This is all about being selfish. It's about me. And how can I be different from the team? How can I get my stock? My name my brand apart from an organization or maybe even a guy or two on that field that might be insulting me by having me do certain things that I think I'm above. And as I said that's not conducive to winning because it's been awhile since that Pittsburgh Steelers team competed for championship has it not two thousand ten they went to the Super Bowl. They wanted in two thousand and eight so we're going about a decade now. And they've had some good teams. They've had some good teams. But they haven't been able to keep it together and get to the top you want to say that they play in the same conferences the New England Patriots. All right. That might have been part of the problem somewhere along the line. But you can't tell me. This year. They shouldn't have been a part of the playoffs that to me is a travesty. An absolute travesty. Eight say ESPN is a telephone number eight at eight seven to nine three seven seven six Dan gross sitting in on the Stephen Smith show here on this Wednesday. You can tweet at me as always at Dan Gaza. GR a C we'll get into all these playoff games throughout the show. I can't wait for them as I said, we'll also get into these head coaching vacancies interviews or ready starting to take place, you have eight openings give you my thoughts as to which one's rank a little bit higher, maybe on the pecking order than others do which jobs are a little bit more appealing as opposed to some others. And there are some good jobs out there, there are some areas to where if you are a candidate, you can say, you know, what that's appealing to me. I can go and win there. Now, the giants real quick and the situation with their quarterback and what the future holds for line manning. Six out of the last seven years. The giants have not been part of the playoffs. That's a problem. K six out of seven years. We're not just talking about two or three years six out of seven years. That's a pretty large sample size, and what's been the common denominator throughout those seven years the quarterback. And we know that he's a good guy. He won the Walter Payton man of the year and a great guy. Nobody's questioning his character or his commitment to team or is commitment to the organization like we're saying about in Tonio Brown. This is just simply is Eli manning at his age the best option for the New York Giants to play the quarterback position as they segue into two thousand nineteen and hope to turn this program around. I know the offensive line. They had some swings and misses during the off season they tried to improve it. But it just didn't work out. And they got off to a horrible start. Then they made some changes they cut bait with some guys then slowly. But surely it started to improve a little bit in the second half of the season. But saquon Barkley who they decided to draft this past year instead of one of these young franchise quarterbacks he had a great year over two thousand yards from scrimmage, that's a home run pick. But the giants only won five games. But if the offensive line was bad enough rely manning, how is it? Good enough to get saquon Barkley over two thousand yards from scrimmage at the end of the day. Then he got a look in the mirror if you're the quarterback, or if you're Pat Shurmur, and your Dave Gettleman, you have to ask difficult questions and come to difficult realizations. Like, you know, what maybe it is time to move on. And in a perfect world. If the giants had another option in house, I think that we've really seen the move on from Eli manning they tried to do that last year when Gino Smith was there when Davis Webb was still on the roster. And then the whole thing got turned into one big catastrophe with the way it was handled. And you knew the Gino Smith was not going to be long for that place. And as we know Davis Webb once the new coaching staff came in they booted him out, and he ended up across town is a member of the jets. They drifted Kylo leda. He got busted and pulled over for the police or by the police this year in New Jersey and ruined kind of whatever chance he may be had to be the success of ally. Manning's job bottom line. Is this right now on January the second two thousand nineteen the New York Giants do not have the quarterback of the future on that roster. It's not in the building in East Rutherford, New jersey. Is that going to happen? Come draft time in April is that going to happen? Once free agency starts are they going to go swing a trade for guy who right now is wearing a different uniform in the National Football League. Who knows but he li- manning is pushing forty years old, and he counts over twenty three million dollars against the salary cap. Next year, the giants signed to cut them, they saved seventeen million dollars. That's all well and good. But you better have a solution already in your building before you decide to move on from Eli. I think the end of the day in the right situation. You can still win with him. Unfortunately for them. Though, they didn't do it enough. They've got them in the general manager when he spoke to the media little while ago. He said I had a no holds barred conversation with manning. And I gotta do what's in the best interests of the New York Giants, that's his obligation. And he said all options are on the table right now. When assessing what that position is going to be next year and beyond subject of Odell Beckham junior came up as well. There've been some reports that baby the giants look to train them look to ship them out of town. And Dave Gettleman said we did not sign him to then go ahead and trade them, and I guess that makes sense to me. Now, I would have necessarily given him the contract to begin with. That's just me. And once again, the Johnston win anything with Dell Beckham on the field this year. They got a lot of changes to make with that franchise. They still have a lot of shuffling to do when it comes to the personnel. And it starts with the quarterback a. Guy who has been good. He's been a two time SuperBowl MVP, he's probably going to the hall of fame. But you have to start to address that position. If you're the New York football giants that straight talk wireless nationwide coverage on America's largest and most dependable four G LT networks, Dan grasses sitting in for Stephen. It is a Wednesday here on ESPN radio. Eight say ESPN eight seven to nine three seven seven six. We're back right after this. I think smoking always affected my daily life because I was a closet smoker. It really sort of controlled my entire day. My boss is the one that recommended jewel. So I decided to give it a try. You don't get any of the odor of smoking. There's no ash all over your car. I would say give it a try the flavor and satisfaction of smoking without the mess of cigarette. Asher lingering odor. Switch to jewel. Check OJ dot com slash Steven. If you don't smoke vape don't start warning products. Chains. Nicotine nicotine is addictive. Chemical. Seem to the Stephen a Smith show podcast. They're gross in Senate for Stephen A here on ESPN radio eighty eight say ESPN telephone number eight eight seven to nine three seven seven six and one was the last time. You checked your credit scores know what they are. Now not from a year ago with credit karma. Learn what affects your scores, and what you can do to improve them maybe need to dispute an error on your credit report. Or maybe you're paying too much interest. Credit karma could help with that. Is there unclaimed money in your name use credit karma check, once you know, where you stand credit karma helps you figure out your next move even offer free credit monitoring, visit credit karma dot com or download the app now that's credit karma dot com. Eight say ESPN is our number eight at eight seven to nine three seven seven six. Let's get some calls and say hi to trae who is calling from Indiana. Trae you're on ESPN radio. How are you? Are you good, right? What's going on? Nothing much just talks until ball there. Tonio Brown's Jewish in. And I was going to call. What are you got? Let's go. Well, I was thinking like I was really like I liked what you're saying. He has big head. He's really good player and Mike Tomlin which were saying about like, there's no reason there's no coaching problems or anything, I think 'cause they are pretty successful team to news. You know? Well, they've been pretty successful. But again and try thanks for checking in somebody in. Fortunately, though has to answer for a season. Like this right now, you can't go ahead and fire fifty three players as the old saying goes, you can make a tweak here and there, and you can make a change here. And there, and you know, look, here's the other thing about Antonio Brown. Even if you were just going to sit here and speculate about maybe dangling out there. And if you were going to open up trade talks to see what you can get for him. What's that price tag to be potentially? Seriously. I mean, it's all well and good. And I know that there's a huge financial component as well. And it doesn't be who've the Steelers for him not to be on the team next year because they're still gonna get hit with a very very prohibitive cap charge. If he's not on the team, but what you can't stop it a first round pick for in Tonio Brown. It's a number one. Plus, what are you getting a veteran player back in return? In addition to the picker you asking for two number ones. Think to what the price tag was that the raiders got from the. Chicago Bears for Khalil Mack. Don't you think? Then Tonio Brown is certainly a player that can affect the game. And can disrupt the game as much as Khalil Mack Ken at the very least. But the problem with the Pittsburgh Steelers running into right now is that they have a guy who's disrupting their own team and their own locker room. You could call me at a date or out of touch or whatever I'm sorry. This is the biggest game that your team had this year the biggest day. And now, you're telling me that this guy the walkaway, and he's not going to be part of it. I can't buy for second. I can't I won't. I don't want that guy around. Eighty eight say ESPN, let's say Timothy in San Francisco, Timothy you're on the Stephen a Smith show. How you doing Baker me on Tim? I kinda wanna touch up on the an Tonio Brown aspect right now since it's pretty hot subject right now. He's undeniably one of the best receivers in the league. And I'm with you that kind of attitude especially in their biggest game of the season. It wasn't. It wasn't where needed to be. So my question for us. Would you rather have an Austar like him on your team? Or would you rather have a player who's not as good? But he's going to have a better attitude and gonna put forth more effort a weekend. But we got to let me ask you a question. Okay. All the Super Bowls that Tom Brady one. Who were his superstar wide receivers superstar? I mean, I'm not saying Jimmy join unto nice player, but Jimmy nettle Minns not a hall of Famer Juliana is not a guy. We're talking about as being one of the elite game wreckers in the National Football League. The best receiver Tom Brady ever played with Randy moss member. Randy moss. Was playing on out of this world level because he's one of the all time greats. They never wanna a Super Bowl together. Never won a Super Bowl when Wes Welker was there. Now, you could say welcome in or kind of the same ilk. But he win Super Bowls with the Chris HOGAN of the world and guys like that always playing to the system always finding a way to fit into the team concept. Gimme those guys any day of the week. I don't wanna guy who's going to be pulling away from the other fifty two guys in that locker room because you're not gonna win that way, you're not and in this era of the National Football League and a pass happy existence in which we plan, you know, what they may not be Antonio Brown. But you could get a lot of wide receivers out there who are still going to be just as productive if not then some and not have to deal with all the headache. That's a fact. ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance. Comparing rates to help you save caller click today. Find out how much progressive could save you plus with vivid seats app, it's easy to find awesome seats to any game. Download the app and enter promo code champs at checkout to get ten percent off your first order, Dan gross sitting in for Stephen here on a Wednesday. Eight say ESPN eight seven to nine three seven seven six back to the phones and say hi to Brian who's calling from California. Brian you're on ESPN radio. Good morning. Happy new year. Listen either fan since like, seventy four. Okay, Tomlin's not the problem until Neo Brown's not the problem. I believe that if the Pittsburgh Steelers do not draft a kick around one. We're in deep trouble. You can acquaint the last four out of the five games by Chris Boswell missing. I think it was twelve or thirteen point after's and field goals. And let me ask you something. Didn't we lose by three points on all those games with? We had the saints beat. We had the San Diego. Chargers beat. We had the raiders beat any one of those three games. We make one field goal. This conversation isn't even happening. Opinion on kickers. Look, I'm not drifting kicker in the first round. You never do in that Brian. And thank you for the phone call. I mean, I know it's all well and good and look they're kicking game certainly led to several problems for them this year, but I'm not going to sit here an attribute their lack of prowess in the kicking game. As to the reason why the Pittsburgh Steelers are not in the playoffs. All right. They had that Sunday night game. And that's where everything kind of went south for them. Right. That Sunday night game against the chargers at Heinz field. You at a to score lead to touchdown lead in your building. Prime time national TV against a team, by the way, which the come cross country which really had not been given the hallmark of club, which is known to win big games on the road. Now, give him credit. They shed that this. You're talking about the chargers. That's why they're going to be a tough outcome playoff time. But that game. I don't care about your kicking. You're up to scores in your building. You win the football game. K you have that championship mentality that pedigree. You win the football game. And they didn't find a way to get it done. But say George in Connecticut, Georgia on ESPN radio. Thanks for taking my call. I listen to a little while ago. Say Mike Tomlin has a Super Bowl with the Fitchburg Steelers. I he absolutely does. But I attribute that Super Bowl the Bill cower, and we'll Bill our put together, and I've been saying for eight years, and I'm a lifelong Pittsburgh Steeler fan might time. Let us not the coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers since he's since we've gotten further away from the tower era. The team has deteriorated they've had more than enough talents to win Super Bowls. The problem in Pittsburgh is Mike Tomlin. And I think it's evident because of the way Ben wrath is burger was stocked in about retiring lady on Belgium's does the cues me doesn't seem to care if he signed with the Pittsburgh Steelers are not and Tonio Brown themes. They're not care if he's back on the team or not. And I think always Jordan Jorge Rojas. Let me stop George. Let me stop you for a second. Okay. Because look do I think Tomlin. The perfect coach too. I think that he's Vince Lombardi absolutely not. Okay. But a lot of things you hit there. And I'm going to try to attack them one by one year. I would this burger rather burgers thirty eight years old or so it doesn't matter who is head coach is Bill Belichick be head coach Chuck Noll Bill cower, all these guys could be head coach. If you're thirty eight years old, you're going to be realizing that the finish line is fast approaching. So why don't wanna pinned on my Tomlin? That's not fair lady on bell. He's a businessman at this stage of the game. All right. He wants to get paid. And he showed you as much because he sat out the entire season. I don't think anything in my Tomlin, and my and lady on bell. You know, he'll go run and sign with the worst team in the National Football League. If they're going to put a bunch of money in front from that satisfies him. He cares about getting paid at this stage of the game. It's not an oh, I'm not gonna play for my Tomlin because I'm unhappy with the way his coaching style is no he wants to get money. He proved that as much and to say that he wanted Super Bowl with Bill Cowher's player. I mean, not for nothing, and I'm not taking anything away from Bill cower or Bill Kaur had how many bad losses in the playoffs. Guys. How many championship games at old three rivers stadium and then at the Heinz field that Bill Keller lose when he was the favorite. I mean, let's not make Bill Colorado to be you know, on the mount Rushmore coaches here for a second and the Super Bowl that Bill Keller won in two thousand and five they weren't underdog. They were the sixth seed, and they went on the road and got hot and member they not Carson Palmer out of that first round game in Cincinnati. Who knows if they win that if KIMO von Olaf doesn't take out. Carson Palmer that day. So a lot films to place for Bill cowering company. But there were a lot of years three of them. As a matter of fact where Bill coward and make the playoffs there where looked like maybe his job was in jeopardy and the Steelers stood by them. Mike Tomlin hasn't had a losing season. The coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers has not a losing season. Gimme that any day of the week. Alex, Philly is up next, Alex, you're on ESPN radio. Galaxy there. We don't have Alex. Let's say Johnny and North Carolina. John you're on ESPN radio. Hey, man, how you doing? What's up, John? Man, they need to stop. It might come is not a good coach you not NFL. You know, observer watcher Mike Tomlin is not a good football. Coach, Ben let's go to the real issue here who got full five black country. Just got fired one of them have been one year. And you might not a good football coach. It's a disaster. It's this grace that a man spent one year, let's go to John group. He had ready made football team ready made ready made. And he he he he's not fine. And I got five football coaches. Football coaches, fine. Steven Naismith, Johnny Johnny, Johnny, Johnny. Look, john. Look, I hear your frustration. But to me color has nothing to do with it. You want the best football coaches. I don't care what color. They are. All right. I remember Jon Gruden. He took over raider team that wasn't in the playoffs last year. He took over raider team, which he felt you know, what couldn't win anymore, and he made some changes they bottomed out and other paying the price, and he'd better hope that he could build it up again or else that franchise is going to be in for some tough sledding the thing with the raiders to remember they're moving to Las Vegas. They have a goal of being good again. Once they moved there. It goes hand in hand with the business side of things Tomlin's are good coach. He's a good coach. Is he one of the top two three coaches in the NFL that's up to you. But as I sit here and look at the Pittsburgh Steelers. Like I said, I'm not pinning this on the head coach as to why they're not in the playoffs. You have two of your best football players. Arguably arguably two of the best players out there position and all the. Football league, leaving on bail and Tonio Brown, and at some point in time throughout the course of the season, they decided to pull in a different direction. What is the head coach supposed to do? This isn't the seventies eighties and sixties where the head coach is the guy in charge anymore. There's one guy one guy left in the NFL, in my opinion, that has that type of thority where he can rule the roost, and if you don't like it you're out of here, and that's Bella checkup and Foxborough that is it this day and age were the players are making all that money. And they think that they have more thirty than the coaches, do you're left with the type of Antonio Brown result that you've got last weekend with the Pittsburgh Steelers. 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And if you want to tweet him, you can do so at Dan Grassi, GR ACA. Let squeeze in a call. Let's say hi to Adam and Indiana, Adam you're on ESPN radio. How are you? All right. I just have two quick gigs. Say what Mike Tomlin to me is a good coach. But he's going wrong by catering to Ben. 'cause every year he starts saying at the end of the year. How maybe I don't have it. And then he his his players under the bus. I don't care about my interceptions. And we'll irks me with about AB is the fact that okay AB wants to voice frustrations to his quarterback. And everybody's dogging him saying. He's a diva but yet just minute ago when big did he's a leader. You have a franchise QB. You got a franchise wide receiver and a great coke. Get them in line or get him out. Well, the other thing about Ben Rothlisberger to ca- throw in their adamant. I thank you for the phone. Call member heat sharped when the franchise used a draft pick on a quarterback this past off season. You remember that like how dare they bring another quarterback? It's my job. Then you can't play till you're fifty or sixty they. Have to find a contingency plan. Here's the other problem with that. And you could talk about Mike Tomlin finding fault with him catering to his quarterback. I'll ask it this way. Simply very simple. Okay. What is Mike Tomlin gonna win without Ben Rothlisberger? What is he going to win without a franchise quarterback? That's why you cater to him as much as you may not like it as much as you think maybe it goes against what you believe in your setting him. Maybe on a pedestal ahead of all the other guys in that locker room. You're not winning anything without a franchise quarterback bottom line. And the Steelers are gonna have to prepare for Ben for life without Big Ben pretty soon. I think they realized that as well. What's the most attractive head coaching job right now? That's open in the NFL get into that next. 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3 and Out - Belichick Bounce Back; Free Agency Cash; QB Market Impact; Brees' SNF Future; FA Day 1 Wrap Up; Mailbag

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3 and Out - Belichick Bounce Back; Free Agency Cash; QB Market Impact; Brees' SNF Future; FA Day 1 Wrap Up; Mailbag

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Three podcast middlekauff lot going on listeners. Dive right into it. All some thoughts on bella. Check some dots on just free agency in general. The league clearly does not have an economic issue quarterbacks. None of them as of recording this russell wilson to sean. Sam darnold jimmy garoppolo. None of these guys have moved yet by the time you're listening. Maybe we got a blockbuster but the moment one of those guys changed teams. That will immediately trump every move. There was made on monday or tuesday of free agency. Go through a couple of the moves that really stood out to me. I'll probably do a bigger version of that come later this week. We'll just attack everything. Now give my opinion on the majority of things but everything so fluid and moving so fast right now that it's just it's hard to keep up. It was pretty crazy. Let's just be honest. it was nuts. I didn't expect it to be fast and furious but holy moly could be an nfl player. 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Obviously you want your teams to win. Team signed good players. You want good coaches that all matters but the reason this stuff exists is because of television because of the money they can make in the growing business aspects of sport. Right in the sport of football. Which is the biggest in our country. It's the reason that this goes on. The national football league to get games to throw them on. Television now potentially on amazon for thursday night and make huge cash. It is a television show. That is what the nfl is. It's a three hundred sixty five year television show and this this week is a huge part of the television show. Even though nothing is actually happening on television right beside tweets of schefter and wrap this guy. Sign this guy signed. There's no games no workouts. Nothing actually taking place beside a guy going to a different team for a lot of money. The television show truly takes place sixteen seventeen weeks a year and the play offs and because of the amount of people that watch the nfl right now. It's the number one television show in america football college. Football's massive to two huge television show. We talked about the coaches talk about players talking about. Who's doing well. Who's doing shitty. we love it. Obviously i do this. I talk about for living but the key to have a great entertainment product whether it's a television show whether it's movie something you cannot do without is having a great villain and when i think about some of my favorite movies my dad loved a few good men. I love the movie too. It's a fantastic movie. The first thing you think about when you think about a few good men is not tom. Cruise is not demi moore it jack. You can't handle the truth. He was an elite villain in that movie. It doesn't get any better so one of the bigger movies. The last couple of decades the dark knight heath ledger became a cultural icon. First performance in the movie he was a bad guy he was the villain like part of having a great movie is having good villains. You want someone to root for and you want someone to root against think about other sports. Who's the big bad wolf and the villain in baseball. It's the new york yankees college basketball forever. it was duke. It is very very important to not. Just have someone to root for but someone to root against in for a long period really the last twenty years brady and belichick worthy the nfl villains right. They want all the superbowls. They're winning all these divisions they were kicking. Everyone's ass if you're a steeler fan if you're a colts fan if you're a miami dolphins fan if you're a jets fan if you're a cheese fan if whoever fan of you team you are listening to this you know over if you are over thirty years old you have watched bell jack and brady show up either in foxborough or at your home field. Kick your ass. It's happened to everybody. And then factoring all the scandals. They became the most polarizing brand in the lake. I know quote unquote the cowboys. One of the biggest brand in the league from a financial standpoint. But from an important standpoint of the league's growth it was the patriots because a lotta people hated him and someone told me a long time ago. If you're going to work in radio television whatever you never wanna be indifferent either. Wannabe hated or you wanna be loved because both those things of oak emotion like with a significant other. The moment she stops carrying about you. You're fucked apathy. Not good for relationships. Were for sports and last year it felt a little with the patriots. Like they didn't matter that much and the thing that has looking back like tom really a villain. He's good looking. He's likable every all of his teammates like them. Really most guys in the league. Respect them. I don't really think he was the villain. He just happened to be there. The villain was belic. He's cold no emotion says nothing in press conferences hates all these other coaches has relationships with guys that worked under him. That got fragmented like eric mangini. He's the ultimate villain but it's hard to be a villain in sports when you're team sucks in the weird part about last year for the patriots. They actually didn't really suck. They went seven and nine with lead league and opt-outs with quarterback who couldn't really throw and they still win seventy nine. The league needs is for the patriots to be relevant for the plate patriots. To be in the playoff mix so when i look at social media and all these people thing. I don't understand if iran. Espn or iran. Any of these fox. I would not allow my news breaker to break the news over twitter. I get why you're doing that five or six years ago. But it's two thousand and twenty one. No revenue was done twitter. Eighty percent of american adults are not on twitter. It feels big. listen. I'm on twitter so it feels big when you see whoever schefter tweet. I like schefter. But if i was his boss and iran espn. I would say we're not breaking any more news on twitter. That's kind of an antiquated way of thinking. I'd break it on youtube. I break it on the network. I break it on the website anywhere else that we own not on a platform. That one guy's getting rich and his name's jack like again. I understand why it used to happen that way. But in two thousand twenty one. It doesn't really pencil. Sorry to get off on the tangent. I just don't understand why we continue to break news on a vehicle. It doesn't matter to me but for these companies that do it. They don't make any money off that it doesn't make any sense but sorry back to bella check. Today he splurged. Jonnu smith who i be honest. I mean he's a very talented player. Hasn't been that productive. They paid him a lot of money. A lot is for his projection. He's young twenty five years old. I saw someone say that it's the most amount of money he's ever spent on a pass. Sketch matt juden. Who is not some true outside. Pass rusher a very versatile. Defensive lineman fits the patriots jalen milk. A versatile defensive back fits the patriots base. Still need a quarterback. I still think as of recording this right. Now my spidey senses seeing think somehow over the next couple of months maybe this week jimmy. Garoppolo ends up on their team. We will see. But here's what. I do know if the patriots are good and i don't mean like thirteen fourteen win good. They're just nine or ten win. Good the nfl's better off because ballot check being relevant. Bella check people root against bell. Jack which like i said in movies unita villain in sports unita villain and look around the nfl. Right who's the villain everyone loves. Mahomes people like tampa bay tampa bay but most of these teams like the rams. You don't think people hate sean mcvay. Now who p carroll and russell wilson aaron rodgers and matlock floor. We don't have one now luckily the nfl so popular. It doesn't matter but you like having that character in a movie. And i think bell jack if you can get this team back on track all these opt out guys coming back in. They signed all these guys that are devoid of some talent. Have a bunch of draft picks if they can just get a functional quarterback it will be refreshing to have bell jack back in the mix because let's face it last year after the first couple of weeks they just were not and you can say the patriots got caught with their pants down or whatever when. Tom laughed and they thought it was gonna be the quarterback then the handed cam contract one million bucks. He it was just a disastrous season. The opt-outs grown virus. It backfired for the patriots. But i actually think five million dollars for cam. Newton good backup. Money doesn't have to be the starter. Everyone's i can't believe they resigned. Cam i can't. You can't mean marcus. Mariota was a backup last year. Made seven and a half million dollars can't make five and unlike merodehe you can bring in cam and short yardage situations he can get you score. Touchdowns lakes actually think he's a fantastic backup especially if you think. He can be a little healthier this year with a shoulder. Clearly check really likes them right. So does josh mcdaniels now. It'll legitimate starter. Are we talking to wildcard team. Because i don't think it's out of the room. Possibility i bell jack being aggressive. Here's what you know. I say this all the time all rich guys. They're impatient like what are they waiting for. Bell checking trying to lose. He's in his late sixties. Like he's not doing some reset rebuild. Not that's for the jags. The cardinals do bell jackie. Doing that robert kraft not about that life so we need the patriots to come back strong. And i'm looking for the league to have a little bit. The edge back of belgium teams relevant fox. Sports radio has the best sports. Talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at fox. Sports radio dot com my friends that linked in the new year's finally here and marks a fresh start. 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Shed are confidential in toll free helpline at one eight five three two three five hundred. Let's make it interesting with william hill sportsbook and within the iheartradio app search f. s. are to listen live. Okay i just because of the ferocity of all these transactions and they are coming fast and furious. I mean i know. I am recording this podcast. Later in the night there was no point in trying to do it during the day. Still as i'm recording this anything could happen at any moment. And just out of my so i will probably go through individual transactions and break them down. Maybe the friday podcast. It'll make more sense. Everything will be installed. We've got a lot of moving parts right now. It would be difficult but one thing is very clear with all these transactions is when corona hit right basically a year ago today give or take right in the middle of march and nc double a. Tournament was cancelled. The nba can't every stopped. There was a lot of talk even going into the summer. How the nfl is gonna pull it off. They they obviously canceled. Ota's an offseason activity. They were able to free agency in the draft. There's a lot of unknown and then they powered through it rocky at times. But they did paid a ton of money for testing much smoother. Than i'd say the other sports right basketball's been champs games cancelled left and right the. Nfl did not cancel one game. Now they had to push games back but zero cancellations now. All the sports are different. Nfl more players that the setup of the games are different. I'm not trying to say one. Did it better than the other. I just think the. Nfl is less beholden and save a baseball. The thing with baseball last year they never pretended to care about the virus. Not that they didn't care about the virus but the reason that they were having so many issues between the players and ownership was strictly money. It was all about money. The nfl was just more worried on functioning with the amount of players and the setup how they could pull it off and they figured it out basketball clearly much more worried about the optics and that's a whole nother conversation but baseball strictly cash football cash and complications with just the practice schedule of the sport. Everyone close together but they pull it off now the majority of teams not allowed to have fans all these teams had to refund sweets seats. You name it so money that they made they just didn't get they didn't quote unquote to me lose money. They just didn't make money that they would have made but they still made money because the tv deals are so big. And what things pretty clear. And i read this a couple of days ago still kind of unknown. But it's pretty clear that next year the salary cap could jump up dramatically from one eighty three this year when he five it could fire up the to twenty to twenty five and whether that's in writing whether people say that it's clear teams are spending like that's going to happen. Teams are spending today like the cash is going to start flowing because this fall the stadiums are going to be full. That's pretty clear. I mean hell. I think baseball is poised to have a huge summer. People are going to be dying to go outside. Get outside sit in the sun drink beer. I think baseball's really going to benefit. People are just gonna wanna get out of their homes and do things. And i'm sure many of you listening like half the states in america middle what are you talking about. We're out in our out of our homes true. I mean in california there. We can't attend to game yet but it's coming even and even in my state which is by far the last one to open fucking anything but it's inevitable and football so far away the cash is really gonna flow and these teams today spent the money allocated the resources like not much happened typically. I've never gone bankrupt. I mean. I've been fired before and so yeah didn't have necessarily the same money coming in than i did. Sometimes it can take you six months a year two years to kind of get back on your feet. I know people have gone bankrupt and gone on to make millions after right but that first couple of years making take awhile. I mean your business goes under like just six months later like oh. Everything's good money's flowing again. That's not usually how it works. But the nfl was lucky that they're league was situated because it was the least dependent. Obviously baseball was the most depended on attendance. So the nature of the sport right. They're very attendance. Based a revenue model. Basketball is much more than the the nfl to the nfl's lucky the majority of their revenue for the sport comes from the media rights deal so as long as the games got on and as we know they didn't miss game right. Some got pushed back didn't miss any. They made a bunch of cash so they have a bunch of cash on hand plus the last nine years have been the greatest economic boom in the history of the league. So even the poor teams. That didn't make much from the stadium. Had extra cash. And then the rich teams like the jerry jones of the world can give dak prescott seventy five million dollars in a first year of deal. Not even blink twice teams like the packers have no issue paying running back and really quick on the jones deal. I don't have a big problem with. They can give them that much money. And here's the problem with football contracts that it's hard to discern real money and what is not i say it all the time and the other sports. It's very easy when a basketball player signs are baseball player signs we know if his contracts one hundred twenty million one hundred twenty million dollar contract if it's a forty seven million dollars contract it's a forty seven million dollars contract what i see aaron jones lens four years for forty eight. What the fuck does that mean. He got thirteen million dollar signing bonus so is that i mean basically a one year contract because most. Nfl deals even at most or like a two year. Deal beside the quarterbacks and as you saw today a lot of money kind of gets frontloaded in the bonus they use the multiple years to amortize the cash over the life of the deal so they can mess with the cap numbers but most of these contracts being signed. Today there are four and five year. Deals aren't really five. Year deals the majority of these players. Aren't gonna play five. Know five for that given team. We know if it goes well. Maybe they'll play three if it goes poorly probably two we see it all the time but all teams the chiefs. Pay anthony up. You know the patriots buying all these guys. The raiders by yonathan dock. Way the rams by paying letter forward to stay all these guys getting huge cash. These owners know the cash isn't stopping and we really weren't in that big of a pinch. We just had to take a little bit of a hip for six months. Just refund suites which we're going to get the money right back when they start coming this fall and obviously the new television deal is doubling so next year. The money's gonna flow because the thing that i've noticed watching all these free agency deals if you would've told me corona never existed and you just took john middlekauff from two thousand nineteen and you just plop them on his desk chair right now to record a podcast and you gave me five hours a day. I never knew her own existed. And i was just scrolling through all the transactions. I would say dad just looks like a normal free agent year. You wouldn't know anything is different all year long. I mean all january and february heard you know the top guys are going to get money but everyone else is screwed feels like everyone signing for cash. Everyone's getting paid their their multi year contracts for a lot of players the doom and gloom which is natural. When you're you're in weird economic times but you know who doesn't not really affected by weird economic times the super-rich their unaffected. They're buying everything. I see it right now. in california. the middle class got destroyed during corona. We have more poor people in california than any other state we lead the country and people under the poverty line yet are richest people in the state have never had more money. The suburbs right. Now are booming. Throw up like twenty thirty percent in the bay area in southern california. It's insane the real estate market. Here it is a great place for super rich people because even during the shitty last twelve years they made a ton of money. That's kind of like the nfl. It was awful year for a lot of people except like the internet business and the nfl. And maybe some other. Obviously there's a couple other industries but for the most part most of us we're fighting for economic lives the nfl is. We're gonna have a rough free agency. And then we all check our social media accounts were like sure feels like the money's flowing and people were just jumping into the you know the the tuba coins donald duck. That's what's happening here is he's been paid. He's been paid. He's been paid. He's been paid. It's i opening but when you take a step back and think about it. It's not really. They had an unlimited amount of money for the last nine years. They made a little bit less this year but then they just signed a contract that doubled their biggest revenue source. So you think any of these owners especially the top half of them are worried about money or worried about cash because it's clear they're not now the one thing that i think a lot of fans overreact too and it happens every year. It happens with every nfl contract. Like i can't believe they signed this guy for three years and thirty million dollars until we have the details of every contract the legitimate details. We don't know what any of these numbers me. so i. i never overreacting numbers like god. The chiefs gave thirty eighty million dollars. I bet when we see it it looks like a two year contract right. Oh my god they gave this guy knows magloire twenty six million dollars and it turns out they actually gave him six million dollars because who's pushing out the contract numbers. It's not the general manager. It's not the teams contract negotiator. It's the agent. It's why the number you always see a guy that runs a team told me this a while ago. I always want the agent. Put up a number because i want the player to be happy. I don't want the contract a four year deal worth forty million to come out well. It's actually only really six million dollars. You know why because all of us would then make fun of that guy teams. Love it when it comes out for years forty million dollars you nailed it. Turns out you know. He actually doesn't have true guarantees of over ten million dollars. The team doesn't want that out and the agent will gladly give out the fake cash. It's very fraudulent. Probably the wrong word. It's very hollow a lot of the numbers you read and it's why if you notice the team's never argue no. We're actually not giving them that much. They don't care they're laughing all the way to the bank because they know that they can get rid of a player they know the contract is not binding for four or five years. Most of these deals are one into your contracts and we see it year in year out. It's hard not to overreact. When you see. Adam schefter tweets joe thirty five for eighty like damn. They gave him sixteen million dollars a year and it turns out as basically a two year contract. But it's human reaction. I'm just glad that the nfl you know they treated this agency like it was just any other normal year. Because it's pretty wild it'd be one thing of just. The cowboys had the money. But it feels like the majority of teams in the nfl if they want to if they have the caps space can spend on whoever they want the patriots. Long saving money. They've had cash in the bank for two decades. And pay you you you you you i today was and don't get me wrong. It was very entertaining. I enjoy all these transactions about them for many of you like talking about him like reading about him entertain. It's great entertainment. Actually it's awesome. Glad today happen because it didn't. I don't know what the hell i want to talk to you guys about so thank you. Nfl for having free agency. Here's the thing history would show us that. This week doesn't make or break teams. It just doesn't why. It's a quarterback leak. You win you go. As far as the guy playing quarterback right a. restaurants. Only as good as its food hell podcast only good as host. An nfl team is only as good as coaches quarterback. And i think the craziest part about this free agency is. We still have a lot of quarterback questions is sam darnold going to be going to stay on the jets gonna get traded as ever recording. This i saw jameis. Winston went back to the saints. So i think it's fair to say that saints are gonna roll jameis winston this year. Maybe they draft a guy. But james going to be the quarterback what happens sam darnold or the dolphins gonna grow with to tunga by loa. I mean the dolphins won ten games last year. That's a pretty big question. do they roll to. And he's not as good as ryan. Fitzpatrick was last year. And they take a step back and then the patriots pass them. It's got to be on the table. How about this one of the best players in the nfl a hall of fame quarterback which we've talked a lot about on the show as recently caused stink is russell wilson gonna get traded from seattle. I'm not necessarily expecting it. But i'm not i don't have it in the back of my head. It's not going to happen because if he does move. That changes the landscape of the nfl. Who would they trade him to. I know there are reports. The bears are ready to all in. With what if seattle is gonna trade. They have to trade him to a team with the quarterback. We've talked about this. But do they actually pull the trigger. Does he. end up on the raiders. The raiders ended up with derek carr. What about shawn watson. Is he going to move. Teams because of shawn watson russell wilson and even sam darnold or two on different teams. That has huge ramifications. Who's drafting these rookies. A couple of these rookies could end up on good teams. Who knows that is going to determine this fall because the other thing about this fall is an extra game. We're playing seventeen games. So the war of attrition. a lot of these guys sign contracts are gonna get hurt. You're only as good quarterback now more than ever. You're going to need good quarterback seasons. You always do but extra game in the packer. The teams will gorbachev gonna win twelve to fourteen games so the late works and i mean as of recording this. I was nervous to do this podcast because by the time. You're listening it. Maybe it's like boom. Sam darnold's been traded boom. Jimmy garoppolo has been trader. Boom the bombshell of russell wilson got traded. That'd be one of the biggest trades in nfl. history. I'm not even talking about the compensation i'm just saying if russell wilson were to get traded this week or before the draft that would easily. I have to do a research project. This probably be a top two or three trade ever because if you just factor in how many hall of fame quarterbacks have been traded in their prime it would probably be a small list. And i'm not talking about like steve young when he got traded you know wasn't viewed as that great. I'm talking about a guy that is elite gets traded in his early thirties in a league. Now where you can easily play the forty that that would be pretty nuts. So today was awesome. I expect the next couple of days to be cool. Lot of movement but the league in the landscape of the hierarchy of teams is determined by your quarterback and so far no quarterbacks have changed teams breeze retired. I'll get into that in a minute. Obviously they just kept james so nothing really change their. I think they'll be solid james. James might be better and drew brees but what about the pro bowlers. Do the two pro bowl. Marquee guys move teams. I think we all assume deshaun watson will eventually move teams. My guess is he does during the draft. But russell wilson is one of the great curve. Balls in the history of the offseason. Because it's not like you know. Remember when air rodgers got traded at thirty to remember when you go through some of the league is that never have never even conversation. It's just something. I'm kind of keeping an eye on because if that were to happen i suck for seattle fans. Can you imagine being a seattle fan. Especially if you you're like my age like thirty five most of your life. The team sucked and then even when they were good for a couple of years holmgren. It was just a well balanced team. It wasn't hasselbeck. Was the quarterback. You finally get the star guy. You have a stud coach a stud operation in now. Eight years in. It feels like it's deteriorating. If i was a fan of be like guys fucking figure it out. Russell getting room and i've said over and over the problem why it's gonna be hard to figure it out. It's too rich alpha males with no mediator with no one to mediate the conversation right. The owners passed away toward john. Schneider can't it's a tough position to be in. But i know if this. If i was a diehard fantasies and ticket holder i under no circumstances would i be okay with any sorta trade. Hey guys figure this out. Russell wilson cannot change teams. But i mean it doesn't feel like that he's like dead set on coming back. Obviously seattle would have to trade him but who knows. I mean pete's in charge. Pete is the boss makes probably twelve thirteen million dollars. A year can do whatever he wants. He wants to trade russell. Wilson russell wilson we get traded. So that's for. Like i said today was really cool. But if any of these quarterbacks move teams that won move would be as big as every single move it added geico knows there are many reasons why you ride from the exciting adventure of the daily commute to the peace of mind. 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Drive the highest paying radio job. I mean it's a dying position now but a forever. When radio was in his heyday. You wanted to be on morning drive. And they'd put us in for a couple of weeks and then come back. God your ratings are really good. And i would hear some rumblings thought about maybe moving you guys to a drive time spot. Obviously because if you're paying a morning drive guy five hundred grand. I would've gladly at that time taking a lot less money than that. You know whatever the money is right cheaper option who can do the same numbers if not better you see tv you're like you know a guy a tv host. Take some time off happen late night shows and guys get to fill in. It's an audition even though it quote unquote is not an audition. Everything i think about in life anytime you get the opportunity to do anything. You're always auditioning whether it's not even talking about to get the job. Future clients future business partners like people always paying attention if you keep that mindset helps keep you on your toes and so drew brees retired. He went on the today show. I had a text from my mom this morning. Like seven fifteen like played perfectly to that audience like wow drew brees going broadcast. I'm like thinking to myself. Yeah mom be announced a year ago but for the casual fan. They didn't know. And then i saw what he's doing for a job and he's he's going to be calling notre dame football with mike tirico. I'm gonna give you a prediction right now. Within the next twenty four months also known as the next two years mike tirico and drew brees will be the sunday night. Football crew on nbc. Because you can't mike to. Rico could do sunday night football. He has done it. I mean he's called monday night football. He could do it tomorrow. He could do it in asleep but drew. Brees need some reps for example louis riddick. Before he got the monday night football job in two thousand twenty he called college football games in two thousand nineteen. Al michaels is getting up there in age. He's closer to eighty. Then he is seventy chris collins worth who is good. I no issue with chris. Collins worth is sixty two hasn't played a meaningful down in the nfl. Since i was a kid. I'm thirty six year old bulb. Those guys are on borrowed time. Now it's tough. I think they're going to our would have to kind of retire. But it's clear what's going to happen. Drew's gonna get a year. Maybe two doing notre dame football and they're moving those two guys to sunday night football. That feels like to me. The biggest lock going in college worth. I'm sure is not. He's a smart guy. Realize what's coming. al has been doing. Hell he called the usa hockey game in one thousand nine hundred so it's not like algorithm. He's old retire. Hang out in la and chill but it's clear what they're doing they are grooming a big name now. Maybe there's a chance the drew stinks. Because i don't know if he's a lock to be good like. I think philip rivers would be excellent tv. He just has a huge personality. He's just very very aggressive with his words. He doesn't swear so he doesn't even need like thinking he can just talk. I don't think drew necessarily does either. But i just wonder and it'll be interesting like what drew sounds like on television. I don't view drew. Brees is a made for tv guy. Andrew is i mean druce in very impressive individual. Obviously he's not as a hall of fame player. He's a hall of fame person. But i heard like just get in front of mike given your takes in rapid fire college football game or an nfl game but it's cleared the good ones and the bad ones like it's not an easy position to be in. You have to give quick takes on the action that just happened in a smart comprehensive. You know angle that is digestible for the average fan. The broadcasts are not for the die. Hearts are not for the guys that want to dive into the xs and os of the deep all twenty two film. But you have to be able to talk about that like an elementary level. It's just difficult. There are many good ones right. it's an entertainment position. When i think about the best analysts of of my lifetime it was maddening grew and they were very surface level guys but what were they huge personalities. Just huge alpha's in the booth. They just you just felt their presence. When you're watching a game they were calling and like troy is good. But he's just kinda smooth. He's just i just call troy aikman appro right like to me gruden and madden were rockstars and i'd say collins worth is a pro so you could argue. Nbc is not looking for a quote unquote rockstar drew brees by name rockstar. Huge name very very famous. Will he be good enough to do this. I don't know but you know anyone that knows anything about this business. It's clear where they're going and if he's if you watch notre dame's games this year and you just to rico and brees feel like nansen romo that first year romo was unique right. He just immediately got the never even had to basically never united audition. Maybe i do like an audition tape. I don't even think. I mean he just hit the ground running. It was on drew. At least i mean asked to call some games to earn his quote unquote stripes with the with the company organization. Slash the league but the league wants a big name star on sunday night. Football and calls again is really good but he's sixty two years old. The average person under forty couldn't tell you what team played for big name twi romo such as easy transition. Hell even troy aikman like everyone knows treatment played. And what position. Quarterbacks moved the needle now you gotta be good right. The nba is full of really famous. Broadcasters analysts who are chris weber from sacramento. he's one of those overrated players of all time. He's terrible on tv. Reggie miller also bad like they use former players. There's not any good but it's hard. I mean it's a tough position to be in. I think about baseball. Baseball's hit or miss. Some are some are better than others football. I think it's fair to say the majority of them and again. Maybe i'm too hard on these guys. Maybe i'm negative. I think most of them suck. I think most gas that i watch are awful. I mean they really are now like i said. I don't think it's an easy thing to do. I don't think the majority of people could do it smoothly. But i think the way that it set up. It's very difficult for guys succeed. Small amount succeed now. You could argue most things in life. A small percentage of people actually have success. So that's the way in any high level industry your profession but if drew was just like a seven or eight out of ten it might be a year in the news on the in the nbc booth. So you heard it here first. Prediction drew brees. Mike rico sunday night football next couple of years. Okay said i wasn't going to do it but you know i saw a couple of things and i got excited and i want to talk about some transactions. Some specific moves and listen. Free agency is about filling needs. The draft is about picking great players right the draft. Bpa take the best player available especially early in the first and second round. Don't force needs. Take the best players on your board develop them. Hopefully they become stars or just really good starters on your team. Free agency is about plugging holes. You need a wide receiver go by a wide receiver. But don't just by any wide. Receiver picks the scheme fit you. Know what offense you run you evaluate all these guys in the nfl and you watch what they do. Well and you pick the guy that fits. This is what we want. He does that well. Boom plug and play same with linemen defensive line linebackers whatever. The draft is about projecting. How's this gonna work. How can we develop them. You're not developing bud. Dupree or yana or nelson agholor like. They're ready to play right now. And they have strengths and weaknesses in the best evaluators and the best teams sign the guys weaknesses. They're not going to ask them to do and their strengths are going to be. What hopefully the coaching staff. Ask that guy to excel with right what he does well. That's what i'm going to ask you to do what you don't do well. We're not going to waste time on that. That's what free agency is plugging holes on your team. Okay i mean a move that just had to happen. We talked about this guy last week. John group their defense is atrocious. It's slow they generate no pressure so they they signed janaka to actually very team friendly deal two years twenty six million dollars the twenty million dollars guaranteed as a buddy in the league told me he's basically a healthy d- ford he's a speed pass. Rusher mike mayock someone ripped when when the draft was going on however many years ago in two thousand sixteen when jahic was drafted called him a note in the. Nfl has a designated pass. Rusher known as you can't play the run. I'd bring you in on passing downs. D. ford made the pro bowl that way speed rusher. That's what jahic does. Well gus bradley been around this guy. They should know him if they asked this guy to play the run. He's gonna get rolled if they ask them to come in second and third long and just pins ears back and chase the quarterback. They got themselves a steal. Because this guy can rush the passer and they didn't really give him that much money. I liked the deal for the raiders. Now their defense is still not very good but that makes sense. The chargers star quarterback. What do you need to do with the young star quarterback what happens when you don't protect them. They can get scars. They can get derailed. They can not live up to their potential. So what did they do today. They signed corey lindsay from packers. they signed another offensive. Linemen from the pittsburgh steelers guy with position for stability going heavy on the offensive line. You know why they got a good defensive lineman they have a good defense. They have a head coach. Who coaches on the defensive side of the ball that unit he was just with the rams. They were number one in the league. Have good skill guys keenan allen. They got mike williams. They need to protect. Justin herbert so props to them for not being quote unquote sexy but just going with good players. Up front to protect the franchise. Because for many years with philip rivers their offensive line was terrible and it hurt their chances to be a really good team. I give the jets credit. They have a long way to go. And they have a lot of draft picks but they signed to solid starting players today. Kara lawson of the cincinnati bengals pass rusher in corey davis wide receiver tennessee. Titans one thing the jets really lack was evident when you wash play. They just didn't have many. Nfl solid starters. These guys are high. I wouldn't say high end but above average stars and they need to continue to add impact players. Right you think becton can be an impact player. Can they land a couple more impact players in this draft if they keep sam darnold as recording this. He's still on the team if you surround them with enough quote unquote impact players. You can be a competitive team because it's clear right. The bills are really good. The dolphins are solid. The patriots added half the free agents on the open market today. Like you to be good in this division. It went from the division sucked for twenty years. It was check and brady the now feels like the divisions a lot deeper especially the jets if solid good and joe. Douglas is good. The division can be this division. Could be deep. It's weird to say about the nfc. We think about it sucking but who knows the tennessee. Titans one thing that tennessee titans lacked it last year. When you watch them play was their defense was not good but their pass rush was awful and a huge part of their. Db's often got people talk shit about their db's couldn't cover anybody when you can't rush the passer it's hard to cover. So what did they do. Today they went out and they got bud dupree who did tears. Acl which not ideal but as we see in the nfl guys come back from tornado. Seattle's pretty seamlessly and he was a guy who was going to get a ton of money if he was one hundred percent healthy. So i like this move. And i like the move a lot for the tennessee. Titans they also added nickel autry. Who's good versatile. interior. You play at multiple positions. He's he's a good pass rusher. he's long he's cute. he's like six six remember. When he played for the raiders. This first couple of years. I really liked had a really good kind of career renaissance with the indianapolis colts so team. Who's defense wasn't any good. Who last year. Clowney was a disaster for them at a two. Really good defensive lineman like i said the key to free agency is to plug holes raiders speed outside russia. They desperately needed that chargers offensive. Line the jets just players good players. We obviously talked about the patriots. Had a ton of holes the titans multiple pass rushers the chiefs. What happens. They cut to offense of tackles. They sign an offensive lineman about plugging holes. That's the key in a lot of these teams are just doing smart pragmatic not giving you eighty million seventy sixty million dollars guaranteed just signing good players. Who can help you win now. None of these guys. That i just mentioned are gonna make or break teams like we talked about about the quarterbacks. It's gonna come down to the execution between your coach and your quarterback but to win in this league big double digit games to win the playoffs. You have to have a good team. Like what has been the downfall of the packers they just. They haven't been well rounded enough their defense always let them down right always this year with the white or the chief losing super bowl the bucks were just way better to win the whole thing. And that is the goal of all these playoff level teams. The titans obviously chiefs but make long runs in the playoffs. You have to have a good team when you have major holes in the nfl. It gets exposed the moment like these coaches get all like half. The league's coaches are make an eight to ten million dollars a year. If you have a major weakness that coach will expose that weakness over and over and over all game. Some some of it's out of your control the amount of injuries we're going to add a game. Who knows how. The off season plays out in terms of Training and otas but depth on your roster is sochi because evitable. You're gonna lose players. They're going to go on. I are they might come back. You're gonna lose them for a month. Lose this guy. Lose that guy as long as you. Don't lose your quarterback if you build your team the right way if you're good on the lines to me. That's the key. Be good on the offensive and defensive lines now. I love linebacker tight end. I love good corner. I like all these positions but to me it starts there once. You have the quarterback offensive and defensive line. Then you've got a chance to be really good and you got a chance to compete with anybody. It's so cliche like all win. In the trenches shits true tampa bay buccaneers they fucking dominated in the trenches the year before the forty niners walked su book because they dominated in the trenches the chiefs that you're ultimately took down the niners because they were pretty good office line. It's about winning upfront. it's never sexy signed guard. it's never sexy. I one of my biggest quote unquote mrs as just someone that talks about this stuff was. I thought chris ballard was an idiot. Idiot would be strong. I thought the value was crazy. For drafting quinton nelson in the top. Ten a guard in the top ten. I was wrong. Because if he's an elite hall of famer. It's always worth taking an offensive lineman in the top ten. Take a you take hall of fame. Offensive linemen number. One overall guard center care. I'll take elite offense lineman all day. Long one thing i've changed. My defensive lime obviously quarterback the most important position. But there's not another position that holds a candle that any of the opposites of defensive line if the guys in the league player because those guys make such a big difference and it makes us the whole unit much better so i love teams just in the trenches. Because that's again we one of these guys. All what a cliche thing to say. And then that teams usually winning and the team with no offensive lineman but a bunch of sexy skill. Guys goes six and ten. That's it what you have a great week. Stay positive and see a little bit later. This week piece Cousin sal here letting know that. Nobody does sports like vandals sportsbook all new users get a one thousand dollar risk free bed when you sign up and make your first deposit just place your first bed and get up to a thousand dollars back if you don't win. Sign up today. Vandal dot com slash sal twenty one plus in president. Virginia i online real money wager. Only refund issues with real site credit that expires. 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Best of The Herd: 08/01/2019

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

45:17 min | 2 years ago

Best of The Herd: 08/01/2019

"We days we give you. The hottest spicy sports takes that you won't hear anywhere else and for the Record Rob Parker is the one I'm the more reasonable <music> what's up. Folks is Chris Broussard and I am here with my partner Rob Parker and together. We are the odd couple that's right. Join Kristen me every feel good about their contract but at the same time we don't want to do things that are out of line because we can't afford to be that way whether it's doc whether Tamari whether Zeke thank Hyderabadi great to have you ever worked with anybody ever had a boss ever been in somebody in your life and you're like they're loopy. They crazy art. Stephen Jones saying Gang Kabo taking your money not taking ours he not talking to the media there. This is not Zeke <unk> against cowboy owners. Jerry Stephen have pushed it move. The argument to Zeke is taking your money so smart now. It's not ownership against young star player. It's Zeke takes fee takes more money's Johnny's just taking money out of your pocket and your family's pocket and you guys are all great and there is an advantage to having that sort of I gotta be honest that whole Texas Twang thing makes they do win their division two of the last three years. When's the last time outside of the Romo injured year? They were bad. Maybe Jerry Jones he did hire the and then all of a sudden years later you're like maybe they were a lot smarter than I thought. I know. We've made fun. People have the media has made fun hire parcells and Jimmy Johnson. Maybe Jerry's a little smarter than you think and his sons a little smarter than you think two days ago I said this join. I talked about this. Thanks for listening to the best of heard podcast be sure to catch US live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine to noon Pacific on Fox sports radio N._F._S. One find host cell stops by again today and joy Taylor is joining me. I know for a lot of people they consider this the dead time for Sports Talk Radio on your local station for the hurt at Fox sports radio DOT COM or stream it live every day on the iheartradio APP by searching heard is the best of the herd with Colin Cowherd us the Jerry Jones just put on a cowboy hat and cowboy shirt sat under a nice shaded tree and delivered an address saying you're on Fox sports radio. Oh here we go into Thursday. This is the her wherever you may be. I'm basically running backs don't super bowls and he said it with that Texas charm and that homey Texas slang and you're like man Jerry's making a real impact here. We'll funded Jerry Jones ever think maybe have you watched their drafts in the last seven eight years. Maybe douse a little smarter than you think they oh I mean the media is who he's addressing but he's talking to other cowboy players here. It is talking about Zeke. We want to be fair. We want our players. Dan However you may be listening. We are live in Los Angeles Iheartradio Fox sports radio F s one urban Meyer Greg Jennings Chris Simms Greg Cosell in America. I love to work on days like this today. We Are Prep U._C. Last two and a half hours we're about an hour forty five and we had it all done. We got so many the topics today <hes> joy how are you. I'm great good morning. Good Morning. Joy Today looks like an elegant movie star in Nineteen sixty-nine all Stephen Jones did it yesterday his son Steven Jones came out and he talked to the media but I want you to listen to what he said because he's not talking to the media. It's everything sound a little softer somebody with a Texas Twang could walk up and say you're fired and we love you here but you just couldn't and get the job done and we love you here in Dallas but you're not getting a job Dhamma have to fire you and I feel bad for your family and your children and Olga half let you go and by by the end of it. You're like yeah. You didn't do a good enough job. You deserve to be fired. It's that Texas Twang thing and Stephen and Jerry just go on. We'd love to pay you. It's like the opposite of a British accent whether it's with back whether to Zeke whether it's what the Mari it's not saving Jerry and odd dollar. It's just money. That's going to go to another player. Oh that's so smart Zeke they all understand. We've got a whole group of young players coming behind him. I WANNA BE DALLAS. Cowboys and WANNA stay here and we save money. We are in Hollywood in nineteen sixty seven more Alina Dietrich is dominating the airwaves known for Dorothy Day drive people to the theater you look great board what so listen to the couple with Chris Bruce Hart and Rob Parker on Apple podcast bore the iheartradio APP or wherever you listen to podcasts. He's the greatest show of all time if you don't watch nickelodeon you don't understand the world is flat. It's complete rubbish and you believe it. There's something about Stephen and Jerry like the British accent is harsh. You can say anything with a British accent and it sounds smart right. That of call paw patrol is N._F._L. Players do and they voted this year in the top. One hundred players and there are fifteen quarterbacks that made the list now didn't go one through fifteen but here is the order in which N._F._L. Players who watch film would put him kirk cousins is a little higher than I would put him. I would put Derek Carr somewhere in that list in my opinion but players are telling telling you jared Goff Baker Mayfield and kirk cousins better than Cam Players Watch film players here coach's players face over and over. I do not hate Cam Newton. I was just right and early on Cam. Newton Kirk Cousins Thirteen Cam Newton Fourteen Carson wentz injured a lot so lists can be arbitrary opinion based not really fact-based but lists are fun especially number seven Russell Wilson eight jared Goff Big Band Baker Mayfield for ten passed Deshaun Watson Matt Ryan Love The quarterbacks according to players drew brees Patrick Mahomes. Tom Brady Andrew Aaron Rodgers Four Philip Rivers Andrew Luck. This is no longer Zeke against management. It's Zeke taking money from other cowboy players. They have done when a list is comprised of opinions from people in an industry so N._F._L. Players every year vote on the top. One hundred players in the N._F._L. Is the fifteenth and last quarterback selected by players in the top one hundred list it is mostly reasonable. It is not outrageous bakers a little higher than I would who watched quarterbacks who see their strengths who see their weaknesses who listened to their coaches. Tell them this quarterback can do this he can't do this. Here is the order of and yet the billionaires let the Jones family lead them on most issues billionaires. Don't choose the dumb guys in the room to with all of you forever Guy Kabo down there having fun in the surf. He's just taking your money. Really Smart. Let me shift to this is that players and players by the way generally like super athletic stars players. Sometimes don't get the system guy but August sixth this arbitrary deadline. We've been hearing about how it affects him being restricted free agent after this year the response was we don't know remember this about joy. The pushback got was everything now. My follow up question was okay. We'll do we anticipate. We're GONNA see him show up in Oxnard on August. Oh Jerry and Steven Jones the N._F._L. Is owned except Mark Davis of the raiders mostly by thirty billionaires billionaires and by the way Jane Slater was our show yesterday. Everybody keeps saying it's GonNa get done but Jane slater on our show yesterday. Cowboy beat reporter said not so fast delete them the cowboys what they're doing Jerry and Stephen know what they're doing and what they're doing is telling all those cowboy players. You're all young and great we want. We want to be in business with rushed. I reached out this morning. Text back. I got on was close. Nope and I said what is the sticking point. Then are we talking guarantees. Are we talking. Extensions like nope Kirk cousins head of him jared Goff's ahead of him Baker Mayfield ahead of him. I don't hate Cam Newton players generally. They like their Antonio Brown. They like their obey players like N._B._A. Guys Love Westbrook staff can't get any credit for Blair's love Westbrook Cowboy. He takes money from this cowboy. We can't give it to this other cowboy. We like it's so smart so thoughtful. It's so brilliant that this and they turn this Zeke thing this could implode a locker room light. You guys yeah pays Zeke. You got paid the star and they just shifted over. We love him. We think is a good old. The cams a Kinda guy people would like big handsome Rockstar got his got music. He's as more than just a player you think players would in the Texas Twang and they make you feel like they love you. Put your arms around you and they want you to be cowboys and boy. There are good at it boy. They're good at it. They're really smart at it and I'm being told cannon this cannon that Camden this does Shawn Watson doesn't have an offensive line. I never hated Russell Westbrook. I can hate components and part of their game. Is that after all these years seven years of excuses once again. This is the new momentum of Hollywood big blockbuster superhero movies. It's the same thing in the N._F._L. Jerry Jones and Steven Jones. Go Look at you would say can I put Spiderman in it. Maybe Spiderman has a wacky neighbour. How about Ironman Ironman a Wacky zany sidekick that would be a good comedy? The city cut Kareem Hunt got to the A._F._C. Championship overtime New England bunch of be running backs super bowl want it the last four teams in the N._F._L. Last year rams had todd Gurley star running back got hurt but in C. J. Anderson got to a super bowl. Kansas Saints Traded Mark Ingram. No big deal gave the wide receiver big money not the running back. This is the current momentum. It is all talk. Show host dentist Attorney Teacher quarterback earned seven years in this is what Cam is according to this is the current momentum in the N._F._L. And by the way the rams look a lot like the cowboys they pay Dodd girly and it looks like money this barbecue season baby. You're like me incredible meat from butcher. Box is the way to go grass fed beef organic chicken wild caught sockeye salmon. Put your box tasting nutrient dense meet with no added hormones or antibiotics advert but your box also delivered right to your door with free shipping that means a month's worth. I season sign up today at butcher box. 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That's incredible and butcher box is making sure you have burgers for all your barbecue this summer dot com slash heard for twenty bucks off your first box plus free burgers in every box until October fifteen books dot com slash hurt one more heard the heard and he's significantly higher than Cam Newton. Stop with the excuses. Nobody is a victim of their reputation rams and the cowboys have some spectacular young defensive stars. Todd Gurley got hurt for the rams. Let's get C. J. Anderson he's been cut twice last ain't not well spent the rams have a young quarterback. Some of you doubt sort of the cowboys. The Rams and the cowboys have way above average offensive line's it was great and that was the last big comedy hitting America bridesmaid's but it's very hard to get comedies made and the reason being is once movie start bombing in a certain other N._F._L. Players and it's just about where I have him. I have had a kirk cousins by the way I have had a kirk cousins that it comedies made. It's hard to get people the big money people in Hollywood to spend a lot of money on a comedy in the bridesmaids back in two thousand eleven was the last glad I do. I think I also have had a Baker Mayfield may not that's a close watch them play last year. I thought Baker was better on that Sunday all right great having you in today last year boom super bowl by the way C._J. Faced the cowboys he had one hundred and twenty yard rushing in Los Angeles so this is the way it works in Hollywood. It's hard to get ear vantage. Use It your advantage. That's what they call it by the way good good get on that. It's called southern charm and void the Jones boys know how to how to work summers here. You know what that means I as in about an I say this lovingly. Isn't it amazing. About what Texas Twang does. I'm listening to Steven Jones. You almost feel guilty being like big comedy hit. That was a very very funny movies ever see bridesmaids. I thought it was I thought it was absolutely hilarious. I mean like it was Kinda like hangover for women in culprit it being paid as a cowboy. We love all young mom pay all y'all WANNA be cowboys. I might take a pay cut to play for this team. I mean you gotta you. GotTa use the gifts for given really do I mean they're just the gift of that Jones. Family Lil Texas draw southern terms. That's that's what they call it. They call it. Southern Charm New England one is over bowl. No starbucks saints great offense. Just let go they're running back traded him. Kansas City Cut Kareem Hunt still got to within the play of the Super Bowl it comedies made because the current momentum is comedies. Don't make big money the current momentum in the N._F._L. Is Rams loss. girly got super. Bowl Philadelphia won a super bowl no star back game. Here's their schedule. I think they lose at New England to start New England's not great in September but the opening game at night in Foxborough. This is where ballot check off rast off buys open season always great. They lose them any think they beat Seattle in Pittsburgh because steelers are sitting there going just keep talking. <hes> is keep talking. That's all I every time there's a brown story and so I team with a bunch of new pieces. This is not brady working with element again or Matt Ryan working with Julio Jones Young team new coach new players young can't let them slip you gotTa bark totally agree and I also think we should allow Baker a little movement here a little leeway on yelling. This is a really young team. Is that better personnel. I think they go west to San Francisco and get snipped a little. I think San Francisco with Garoppolo and their weapons beats them. I then I thought today I've said I think Pittsburgh wins the division. I THINK CLEVELAND FINISHES SECOND IN CLEVELAND Playoff fight at the end of the year story that's out about Baker Mayfield being very critical of his wide receivers. I like this. I have no problem with my receiver especially for a young football team. Cleveland Youngest Roster Beats Them. It's an eight twenty late Sunday night game biggest game for the Browns in the last twenty years and Cleveland Beats Pittsburgh on Sunday night football. I'm star quarterback lead embark love this about him now. They're way too noisy for me. Oakland's way too noisy for me. I like Indianapolis. I like the rams. I like sure whether they make it or not. Injuries momentum so I thought this morning I would do what we all did as kids and what fans often do I can say I think Pittsburgh's going to win sports radio one and the IHEARTRADIO APP yesterday. I gotTa tell you Baker Mayfield makes a Lotta noise had a beard cut a beard mustache rippin receivers. I kind of like the new story like New England Pittsburgh's been really quite and here's the funny thing when I'm thinking about this this morning Cleveland I every time I hear Brown story. All I think about is the steelers it from their perspective or mind is really good. Browns just moved their camp next to a railroad track. Apparently I like everything. He said. There got standards and Cleveland's GONNA finish. Check it but I'll lay the schedule out. I'm going to go through Pittsburgh schedule and I'll tell you why I think they're gonNA win the division. I'll go to every beat the jets then I think they rest starters against Baltimore on the road physical team they wrestle starters. They've won the division. They get into the playoffs. WHO's constantly too noisy teams? This off season have been Oakland. They're trying to sell season tickets in Vegas and Cleveland. They like being relevant. They haven't been relevant in thirty think they beat the Bengals Baltimore and they go to beat the chargers because the stadium will be fifty percents steeler fans then I think they come and beat Miami they play the Rams Playoffs and there are eleven and five. That's what I think the steelers are I've given you every game losing it New England loose-knit San Francisco losing one of the two colts dams and the colts back to back at home. I think they split. I'm not gonNA say they beat. Both I think they lose to indy and beat the rams. Although I could flip it I think Cleveland Paul then I think they beat a bunch of teams. They have the best offensive line arguably in the League and they lean on Cincinnati. They beat Cleveland at home. They beat Arizona. They beat Buffalo. They blake momentum's a real thing. Look around the room. You don't need star running. Backs right in front of these shorter catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine A._M. Pacific on Fox sports able to communicate and talk through things. It's just having that open relationship obviously there's a chain of command wouldn't goes but <hes> just being able to talk through things and if we get lazy and we let things slide. We need to be over communicating right now. That's that's what the good teams do like. I said it's got to be on the same page. There's an appreciation for my end. You know he's in the N._F._L. I have no problem Baker Mayfield tune guys out. This team needs guidance. This team isn't it right. Now isn't one of the smarter teams in the League because they had a bunch of twenty-three-year-old kids. Let's this is not a veteran team. This is a team that's going to need Baker. Mayfield the bark at him a lot. I have no problem with the stories coming out now. I do think this team stays in the news. Ask you gotTa talk through. It got going to harp on it then. I'm GonNa talk to them. Those guys know that that's part of our offense and they know that it's just the fact that thirty years now very relevant yesterday. Baker was talking about confronting receivers and barking at receivers and let's play the tape Jackass Rams home losing it Cleveland and then mailing in week seventeen getting healthy for the play offs. Let's look at Cleveland schedule. Remember new head coach youngest roster in the N._F._L. I have them losing Tennessee in the opener. I've said this now for a month. I don't understand the line on this Tennessee's getting five significantly better offensive line approving running team by the way Tennessee last year crushed New England crushed Dallas beat four playoff teams Berg badly at home beat Miami. I don't think they sweep the steelers so they lose at Pittsburgh close. They beat Cincinnati. They beat Arizona and remember Tennessee's the game big talker Yep Yep Yep Yep go bet five grand three Grand Tennessee five points better coach significantly so that's that's the game remember new coach young roster big expectations. You can yell that Tennessee game. I think they lose it and I think Denver. If the one place no league brady struggled young team high altitude losing then I think they get hot. They beat Buffalo beat Pittsburgh. I'm pretty good. I'm blazing five of had like eleven straight years of winning. There are games that the numbers I take a lot of underdogs. That is a very good underdog. Pick five what's up. Everybody job middlekauff three Alpine guests. That's my podcast. You better believe I'm talking a lot about football. I used to work in the N._F._L. Now talk for a living came friends rush. I think Tennessee wins the game. Yell at me of already bet it. I think they beat the jets who are talented but uneven I think they lose to the rams upset them in Cleveland then they beat Cincinnati and they're nine and seven now. I know what you're saying no way we'll lose. Tennessee bet your 4. CBS At home because I think the rams have better personnel. I think they have a much better coach Sean McVeigh. I think they have more experienced quarterback and I think the rams are better than Cleveland. I do think Cleveland Friends mcallen now. I host a podcast Colin Coward podcast network every week Tuesday and Friday. I'm talking about the N._F._L. And you better believe right now. Dive into the training camps going the youngest team in the League go to San Francisco and lose I didn't they beat Seattle and then lose back to back at New England at Denver by the way yell if you want about I have them losing at home to Baltimore. I believe they're going to humiliate Baltimore early. In the year at Baltimore it's going to be Cleveland's. Greatest Cleveland then goes to Baltimore and crushes and humiliates the Ravens and are the talk of the League in week four but they get really high on themselves because they are this game of the year. They're gonNa Destroy Baltimore in the Mark Jackson and Baltimore's not GonNa Forget about it very well coached on Harbaugh. Come back and beat Cleveland. They're real bumpy for about seven weeks. Then the browns get hot so there it is put it on paper. Hold me to it. That's how I feel. I feel great about it right now. You're live. They've got a proven head coach nine and seven nine and seven nine and seven last three years second or third best offensive line will neutralize Cleveland's excellent pass. You're very sure about that Tennessee game I really am. I think it's the upset of the weekend. I don't get the number generally every weekend blazing five game. There's one game and I always say I don't I don't five to five and a half Tennessee fables better than kitchens more veteran roster better offensive line seventeen last year they beat four playoff teams Dallas in New England badly going all around the League John Little Com go subscribe the three and out podcast N._F._L. Films Over Thirty Years Greg Cosell we brought you on yesterday. Got A ton of feedback on the thing that really stood out to me and I made this note and I kind of highlighted was poise and composure in the pocket really impressive for a young quarterback because he's essentially intially a pocket quarterback and the other thing that I think is absolutely critical. We'll talk about this with Dak Prescott as well when we get to that but his willingness to turn it loose. I I think when you when a young quarterback has that willingness Colin. That's something that's really important because to be a high level N._F._L. quarterback there are times in every game. I just love having you on so he's going to be on now this point forward until February and get people all the time in the grocery store and car wash. They love Greg Cosell so before we get to our N._F._L. Stuff because you've got some really good breakdowns on film you yesterday after you were on after the show handed me a pamphlet and you said I love this and you said Okay I've I watched three four games on Lawrence. Okay obviously later in the season and he showed the attributes that bode really well now. He's got to play another year another two years actually sadly and they're a weird team that often plays better on the roads at home and by the way Mario is healthy at least for week one and we know what he's healthy is good graded all the college guys. I've looked at all the tape so let's go through. Let's go through the Guy I think is the best prospect since Andrew Luck. Trevor Lawrence Tech Can Clemson what there's the film say on Trevor Lawrence. I've got it right here Collin. I figured since I gave it to you we would we would we would go to the to the material here because I watched. Let's see mm-hmm. Were you've gotta make difficult throws into tight windows. Whether it's I zone whether it's man and there's a small area to place the ball Trevor Lawrence showed showed the willingness to do that and I think that's so critical as he develops <hes> that was Andrew Luck. There's a let it rip component. You throw some picks early. Peyton big arm can make every throw throw second reaction plays I mean this kid is really really good. I mean he's mobile to run. Yes and he's that if he came out this past year could be a top five pick and obviously chose not to come out now. I don't know anything about the kid. That's the thing you don't know and I certainly don't know but when all said and done that's what all N._F._L. Passing Games are every coach has a system and they want the quarterback to execute the system within the structure of it. Oregon has a kid named Justin Herbert. I don't like the swings home in a way can be great at home so so so in the road that worries me leaders went on the road but a talent he is a huge talent con- I watched his two thousand seventeen tape last summer because I just assumed he he's probably I guess he'll probably be six five two thirty to thirty five counties arm. He has everything that you look for. I said after two thousand seventeen when I watched this tape you would come out and he decided to stay so now. I've watched some games from two thousand eighteen as well and he is what you look for. He's big. He's athletic. Big throws the ball. Well doesn't have a gun. It'll be interesting how he seen when he comes out will people say oh. He's just a system guy who operates a system. He's a little bit of a pusher the way he throws he doesn't really talk with his core so he's not a drive thrower. He does throw a good deep ball but I think there's things to watch else to at Alabama. I think he's going to be a pro. I think he's very much out of the Stock Russell Wilson. I don't think he's Russell Wilson. Everybody loves him. I think he's good. I don't think he's a great prosperity and they play with from under center. They may tell him hey. We don't want to be real aggressive throwing the ball. We don't know that I certainly don't know that he was a little cautious but I think he throws the time in the N._F._L. So I think this is an important year for him. I know people say he's the automatic number one pick. I don't get caught up in that. I think there are some things he's got to do. Better the symmetry of the field the Hash marks are wider. There's more space because as you know calling the white side of the field in college is extremely wide very difficult to cover but just talent and ability. He's got top five talent. Yeah he jumps. He makes a throw here. I'll show it that corner throwing makes an absolute rifle. I all now again. He's in a very structured system. As well. You know when you get defensive head coaches and a place like Georgia where they have great defensive players in great defensive talent of R._P._O.'s run pass option almost thirty percent of their plays where R._P._O. Are More effective in college than they are in the N._F._L. Because of prosperity but what do you think I watched a lot of them because I think he's going to be polarizing when all said and done and obviously as another year keep in mind that they ran a ton thing was well defined for him. The reads defying the throws defying. It's not the N._F._L. They're trying to do more of that but it's obviously not the way it is all the Carson Wentz. Nobody nobody hears about him and you go out and go. There's this kid in North Dakota so Jordan Love Utah State Yeah. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA go to my notes on this. One So R._P._O.'s in college football are really difficult so I thought to was very very good in some ways programmed and I think everything ninety three came in as the offensive coordinator with a different system in always numbers then really improved dramatically okay a player that I don't like as much as everybody just this year that he needs to improve on Okay Jake from Georgia I actually like him or is a pro prospect yeah and he's one of those guys that I think's going to be better when he gets to the N._F._L. Touch he through with precise ball kid. He's got athleticism and movement. He's got second reaction ability. He's a natural throw. He's an over the top want to let it go elway by the way people forgot through a lot of early picks. Oh I remember through its first nineteen years. He had actually more interceptions than touchdowns and I think Jim Fossil and might have been nineteen ninety-three as well because here's what I said I said that he he has the overall skill set to be in the discussion for a top five pick in the twenty twenty draft. He's got arm strength. He's got pace in touch up. Throw her over the top throwers. I found this kid to be very very impressive on film and what I loved about watching them Colin. He was virgin territory worry about leadership. I hear things about leadership. I don't love but a talent now. Let's throw one more out there. This was your curveball yes. This is the guy this is our Carson eight manning with Rip Your Big Ben with let it rip Philip Rivers. He's GonNa throw some picks but that confidence to say I trust my instincts. I trust my arm. I'm going Roy from me. Someone told me about him. I didn't really know anything about him. So when I put the tape on I was starting totally from scratch. He's my new number one up this thirty eight second clip. I'll tell you what he looks the way he throws the ball. That's like an N._F._L. quarterback oh without question N._F._L. quarterback he looks the part for sure he's he's and whip like delivery. That's great but then he makes a lot of throws off balance and the ball placement is not as precise as it needs to be. That's one area. He needs work the one he can tend to play a little fast in the pocket. Guest's feet moving a little too much. That's very young quarterback like yes. It happens a lot and because he has that you can't live on second reaction plays. That's not the nature of the N._F._L. He is obviously good enough to sit in the pocket and make every single throw but he's well aware in the N._F._L. It seems like he's been around forever. He started ten games so he hasn't even started a full season so we have to understand that now he's in a great system. Kyle Shanahan is as good as there is in the league at defining throws for quarter now explain that to my audience. What does that mean? It means that the route concept's nothing is easy in the N._F._L. But relatively speaking it's why Nick mullins could go in last year and be functionally efficient because the offense presents the throws with the route concept's zaps the protection the quarterback drop so Kyle Shanahan does a great job of that where I think that Jimmy Garoppolo needs improvement is couple of areas number other area and I think this is because of the way he throws knowing that he's got that whip delivery and a quick delivery. Is there a times he just waits a beat too long and the throw in the N._F._L. been hurt twice the last time he got hurt. He didn't get hit so I like him. I I'll just throw this out. I think his build and athletic ability reminds me. I was kind of pleased because this is what I saw on tape. I was kind of pleased to hear Patrick. Mahomes admit that what he needs to work on this off season through training camp is steps based on the drop present the primary throw for the quarterback quarterback has a very easy roadmap on where to throw relatively speaking nothing face and more efficient with his footwork his dropback running the system as it is. You can't in my view. Maybe I'm wrong but in my view you or two records. He is a unique arm talent unique. Do you think it just keeps going. Well the numbers I I. I don't know if he throws fifty touchdowns every year. That's that's not the point qualify everything is say with. He's a great talent well. We know he's a great talent. That doesn't mean there's nothing to work on. Thanks that's right so what he needs to work on is to become more precise it would join Iowa's talked about this Carson Wentz or Jimmy g get hurt again. You start having people in the organization go. We got a problem here yeah. Jimmy G. is now of trubisky but I think he's a much better. Throw better throw I. I like him a lot and my overheating here a little bit well. I think one thing people have to keep in mind as he started ten games is he needs to work on his foot work and he needs to become more precise you agree. Yes one hundred percent now again. Mahomes is like Aaron Rodgers in the sense that you always have to qualify. I think the guy is going to be great okay. What's the difference if it takes an extra two three months? Let's go to the N._F._L. Yeah Patrick Mahomes gotta sit for a year came out last year. All sorts aware that he needed to work on his foot work and it's timing with the route concepts an anti reads a good teacher without question yeah. Let's talk about Jimmy G. isolate. What is there within the timing of the drop and the route concept? I think he needs work in that area as well. Let's talk some Dak Prescott before we get to the big play was completed seventy one percent of he's not a gifted Trevor Lawrence off wipes off his hair right but there's something there he got better choson the term I use everybody likes to use the word process I use the phrase elimination in isolation in other words eliminate. What's not there and he's a he's a very comfortable easy thrower of the football? Hey whence played in the middle of nowhere. Josh Allen played at Wyoming John Santa my ear. How do you get the Utah Away? He was seven one down the stretch against four playoff teams. Young people get better you do reach at some point as a professional athlete twenty seven tossed eight. There's a lot of good quarterback this whole seven on seven stuff in high school now the question is just a bunch of good players and guess what he gets to start at Utah State not backup in Oklahoma La Homa and I never even with once we talked a lot of people say well. We played in North Dakota state so I can't trust them. Hi My response to that is so takes an extra two or three months. What's the difference? If you seven twenty eight your game is sort of your game right and then you just try to hold onto the dispute going into his fourth year though he's a kid so I watched them at the end of the year and my takeaway was N._F._l. If you wait a beat too long is late and late in the N._F._L. And we're talking millisecond late in the N._F._L. Is Late and that causes problems. Does he struggle reading her. I think the way I talk about Prescott and I knew because of the contract situation that I watch a lot of and so I did this summer. I watched OUGHTA Dak Prescott from last year. I think one of the areas that he needs to get better at and I don't know if this is in his D._N._A. Or I don't know if it's something that can be improved. He tends to be a very cautious thrower scotts plate and we're going to ask him to take that next. Step and being aggressive thrower. That's going to be the foundation of what we do offensively as opposed offend him because he does not want to give up nine yard completion for a first down so they control the Middle Linebacker. Now what that does is that's going. We'll see how the Ezekiel Elliot situation play out. Maybe Jerry Jones and the staff believed hey he's in his fourth year. We're now going to put more on Dak Prescott. pull the trigger on and maybe he checks it down or maybe he leaves the pocket but he's a tends to be a cautious thrower. Now as I said that works within the structure of the team we'll to allow Blake Darwin who's receiver number two to work behind and they're going to in essense high low that Middle Linebacker so rain. There's three receivers to the white side of the field. That's the passing strain it's third and nine so number. Three's going to attack him and make him have to defend was to a puzzle piece. The tape up to this point doesn't show him being that guy but he's going into his fourth year. It's not as if he's a seven eight nine year veteran so let's go to the big play of the week so let's breakdown some real film on right. Well what I chose. I chose a play that was against the giants last year. Game Empty set Colin where there's no back in the backfield so what they did here. They faced giants defense. They knew they were going to get covered. Two now the player at the bottom of the screen the Middle Linebacker sits at the first down marker and there goes Blake Charleston behind him so they're defining the throw for Prescott against it was a nineteen yard touchdown so let's take a look at the touchdown and then we can break it down. He threw a touchdown to jar jar and actually caught three touchdowns in this game. They were in an empty great velocity throws it high enough through touch. That's the term I would use. You're not driving the ball because you don't want to throw it right at the middle linebacker. It's firm touch is covered. It's an excellent throw really well designed. It's what we call a high low concept against cover to really well done really nice throw and I was gonNA say Great. It's not really a safety but in covered to the player who's the middle linebacker and defensive back but what he's going to. He's going to open up to the passing strange. Catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine A._M. Pacific Saturday pro football hall of fame induction ceremony our friend Tony Gonzales Champ Bailey Huntington now. I don't know I don't know the reason for it. He'd have to tell you that we don't know the answer to that. The film tells you that there are a throws that are there to be made that he doesn't often we'll. I think it's a Wilson says Wilson's and Nancy Wilson with that this. This thing never stops working up here. Hey recommend classic rock. 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That's a throw that every N._F._L. quarterbacks kind of though has to be able to make to succeed in the League God smarter. That's what have a great weekend. I'm off tomorrow. What are you good for you? You get a lot of e mails co cases all the time and usually when I look at a store I can tell them. The first five minutes probably happened but this one was really strain. I'm Katherine now that works when your offense is built around Ezekiel Elliott and your defense is playing really well. He's not a turn it loose guy so he he likes a little continent wants to see heart. You know who didn't love to Hartman when you were twenty two years old everybody I mean come on look it up based band heart author Townsend host of the true crime podcast Helen gone in hours asking people what's wrong what's wrong and we got him sheriff's office you Taylor and so without further ado the N._F._L. 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Chelsea 0-0 Spurs, Cavani's Heroics, Klopp's Frustrations & Remembering Maradona

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Chelsea 0-0 Spurs, Cavani's Heroics, Klopp's Frustrations & Remembering Maradona

"Hello welcomes lights. Episode of the to his podcast. Your destination print up discussion and analysis of every premier league match. We candidate trump is because well. I'm robbie mustoe robbie earle and hear the topic. Today's show what we learned about chelsea and spurs in stores jewel much. Tonight this come back at southampton thanks. To the heroics of edison cavani jurgen klopp's ongoing issues with fixture congestion and television schedules. Moncey cruising through five no way over fern on another disappointing result. Awesome four homes wolves. That's what we've got coming up in. Today's show for the biggest names in sports talk. Wash the nbc. Sports show every weekday on featuring pro football. Talk the dan patrick. Show the rich eisen show and more streaming live or free picot. Tv dot com slash sports. Okay rubio shelties. Burs two teams of taken steps forward the season with very interesting managers and this was a game that i think a lot of us thought. Okay where are we at. With these two clubs. Deputy pursuit of maybe unlikely primarily title. I'll let you start rob on on what you thought about this game. Well watching a game oversee from In studio and i think off time becker says what you will soon said. It's not super exciting. It was a super fascinating. Gabriel the macho the styles away. The two teams have played and my takeaway was from from both camps and we heard him in both posts must interviews. The both would easily be content with what the team did. If i'm looking at the game as a whole i probably have to say spurs did more of what they wanted to do in got the result and chelsea chelsea knew what i would do but in fairness had cianci. I'd more bit more creativity. We know the josie sutton To be difficult to break down to set little chops and then hit you on the countless. They feel four occasions where really they might have done. Better with finishing but apart from that chelsea's chelsea's balance was good. They didn't get exposed. We early in the season. The shape of the teams with three midfield. It just gives a little bit actually protection maybe on transitions And with finishing with maybe a little bit better time from abram is a little bit more joking not lawsuit chelsea mind the game so i think both teams can come away feeling. These kind of went way. Rob thinking you know what it both teams can hanging there into the new year. We we might have a fool's trial racists. Yeah i think it's really funny robin and like i. I left the game a little disappointed. Goading i thought spurs were favors for me. A couple of important players for for chelsea not ready to stall yet put us a concoction. But i think we're seeing with spurs finely robbed that we've talked about for many many months on this podcast. We are defensive. Side of joe's a is found a way to get that stability. So i use or go into that game. This guy in the spurs with that strength would swaps but Chelsea which they they did a little disappointed and again. This may be a consequence of what these two managers have done that teams as a little disappointed with frank's chelsea rob in terms of asking questions. Asking questions of spurs stretching my little bit more than ten powerful. I was was kind of slow. It was playing into the hands of spurs couple of sidelines parties for chelsea. Slow tempo out supposed to get behind the ball on sutter thinking. There's no way you're gonna them down gotta be quicker football and the second off was a little bit better but not really so but i understand it rob. I understand why. Maybe there's a caution about chosen. There's another team playing an absolute masters of counter attack. And i understand that you don't want to take too many risks and gambles were there with your your attacking football to leave yourself vulnerable so yeah i think what we've seen as well. It chelsea rob is is a better defensive team obsolete box them what was i is a better defensive team signal box you throw in your first. Comic agree with it. In terms of reno said afterwards robert his post much interview or suppressed conference both teams. You want to lose this game. And i found it so a better defensively with a little bit less thought of going on to win. The game may not surprise that we saw result. There was a fair result. I just a little bit disappointing warning more from both teams. Actually yeah i agree with you. in ways in seething the goals maybe some of the goal mouth excitement Front made of really important point. I think it's a good point for his team. That's maturing money cheering early in the season. We said in parts of los and will wait to opening games. this season. they've been open game. Southampton game are to be cool. Said we played a little bit with the humvee com. We played no in. We can't make a mistake. On the bull because spurs waiting to pounce for that. And i thought that was quite after some days. If we don't entertain his march we we get the the. The result will not by shape the one loss to liverpool which probably now liverpool and chelsea will play would be tied to gay men and that's what titles are gonna take. That's what he's gonna need down the road. So i hear your disappointment but a kind of gets what will we sue just wanting to pick out an and maybe you go. I wanted to pick out to people one on either side rob who got. It wasn't an awful lot of survival edward mandy for chelsea it. Just quietly gone in about his business. And we're no longer talking about chelsea goalkeeper problems. We're no longer talking about. Should he have say that. Oh not rubble. I'm being harsh on the discussion. Every other few weeks with kappa. That's been taken the way you talk about the defense and yoga silva's organization and batted shape from mitch. James in joel goalkeeper made a difference for and i totally agree and just on the other side of that for chelsea as we're on chelsea right now. Just don't zeke was in law fro the him who's being is coming to this team and he's rose inside. She did more this in the second often. Do much in a first office. Findable wasn't quite the same. Few boys outplay. Just just wasn't quite as good a day for him just swinging disposable. I'll pick up. And i think you you guys did talk about this on the studio papaya. A male holy if we try and analyze what's happened spurs. That's mainly now this. This really strong defensive unit on the best defensive unit in the team and more like what we expected. Regular on. Leftback has been excellent. He is he is only a really good attacking. Quick career fullback but also a strong defender. That marino's molding into executive once. He's made a difference but i just is no -solutely upgrade on him. You know other than that. I thought joe road and did did a great job on the game but the holy bat. And i know you mentioned it but maybe some of our listeners didn't see all what he does for this team it's so important and is that you'd an engine and his aggression and his cleaning up stuff is getting between defended as nia postal cables away into runs. That is so so important now. Notices okay rob does it. Does it as well but sign. He's saying he's not he hasn't been brought up as a central midfield player. Hoiberg has and i think that with a couple of tweaks as well and understanding of the side now disposed. Look like a side. I'll tell you what reminds me of. I don't know how much you saw. But i was doing. The italian league reno's into milan. I team reminds me of into milan. It really does with with quick as attuned. Diego melito is a if plan. Now that dumbbell is i think stankevich in shogo mater in midfield. You know happy to cabinets out a a more than any other josie team. I think the spurs team. It's really starting to resemble that intake. Ira with goalscoring players. Strike is wide areas but getting the goal is to win games in strong defensively is wall to some while the nets brilliant really really really good side so yeah i would just pick out hoyt for plan that the spurs as maybe just leased to get them to debate a good defensive strong To be strong side the interview we did. We did him in income by did on. It was on josie marino token on it. Yeah i like to on point with every time it media wants about was being that we can be clinical on the ball. We can be Hummel's stay home game. I mean you know we as we listened. Been in the game two years and played with many teams. He's always a golden buoyant. Board got alibaba is just as younger. Jerseys talk of the pony in in the whole race. He's gone back to the tony line again. Wasp redness right. And that's why we want to go next before we finish upon these two is like come on. Who's who's more. Who looks more like a title contender. And you're ryan joe's is talking about a small horse you know there's no need we're just opponents the rice forget all that. Yeah this man and this club on this team will be excited in that gesture and humble and toy said they will take it game by game but they have the thing. They got a chance to win. The title might might response to that is right now as i look at the two teams in the two clubs in the sets of pleasant managers spurs for me a closer to win the title this season than chelsea will be. I just think that defensive strength though sculpt scoring place that midfield kind of energy now the ingredients is starting to drop into place. My one concern yet. We'll get certain teams rob the plight. Defensively deep against spurs and that this ohkoso the holy bears what may be inserted matches have of creativity to go. Yeah there's no question in open gains the counter in an eight and sunday that got the nicotiana goes right now. I just be a few new news. There'll be a few ones. The might be a few results stops because winning the title. But i still think the strength. The mental toughness on the way. The team is bill spurs. Better chance this season of doing it and before the game. I think we beker said and i said i think spurs of the more likely team because i have to be bob spurs. A china built to this team fails again. There's got to be a little bit of a real joe. I think chelsea or are building towards three years and then if they don't win it this year. I don't think i think it's going to be steps. Full fun well. Listen if tottenham if Chelsea with ten games to go still around it rob. We don't know how they do. Not squeaky booked tom. It's reality to be to these players to to to the football club to the manager. But you know what talented talented team. And if they can hanging next for ten games to go look to see. It looked at chelsea B b be fighting out down-home strike right next game my friend. Yes talking about ups and downs. Wow i think you said it rub this weekend. This game kind of persona five men united in a disappointing for periods and they around another fantastic a brilliant comeback to say back in the second off. I don't what is about this club. Even two nil. I'm thinking you're not sit in this game. You know the changes were made robin. And i'm going to just start with just a couple of strongly thoughts from this match. And we'll get into edison cavani. Yes but i think donny. Vanderbeek is a first team player is team player is is just office you nothing all departments of of of midfield and what you need to be important really good on the ball great attitude gray engine drain. Fusi awesome will do both sides of the game. You know we'll we'll we'll work in different roles so i really like him in the side and then back onto kabbani when united played. It didn't second off road win that behind pretty much full to full yet. Subsidy on i'm covina going up and when you watch that. The likes of legion lighted what they're like when they're like attack attack attack is never case for united to say no to be no. You're in between claimed. Fred in a diamond doesn't work very well. And you've got this element of pragmatism as well as we want to attack just a bit more bit bay a peg africa africa because because some good players might go with kvant experiencing freshman greenwood and vandereycken an awkward bruna fernandez logger good players. They're up to two guys in the middle and really be geared up to attack. I really driving because they take some stopping as as roma says do i. It's a really good point because you can't fail in the first off you kind of feel like hamson. The don't fit right. it doesn't quite work. The plane they almost just like it's almost like they feel. We've got to play a super way because we mentioned not in this way. Football's going is you say second off. It was a little bit lot foot to the panel. Let's go out unless bulls in the box let's forward and they dominate the game. You say fun. Debate almost looks like proper football because he can get on the ball of make things and he's not sitting in little defensive zones going to coming back Stuff and in in edison. Cavani him enough. See we have to talk about you a top class. The penalty box predator. I of cbc in the box. Listen kubota and going to get yours for all the things we still question about. Anthony maciel so things we know in. Edison cavani yeah. I mean it's stunning. And though god blimey again that time i looked to inter napoli. It was edison cavani. I'm what what a great player he was. At that time. I think southern show before i was like fingers crossed. Please signed for the primary anyone ups j. That was the time on it. Yeah i mean might not get this. You know what we like where we we. We need your colobus not so good I mean might not get cavani week in week out doing this. Bunna my goodness. Didn't you see from those two head as a war. The natural strike a run-scoring right there. I mean you know. Just just back on that rob on the style if united when open game with With anybody in this league when you've got record fernandez there's a brilliant plan and vanni. There's four players the tell you what. I'm not sure if you if you want to go to. Many teams would be able to beat the attacking cigarettes. So if you pull marcelo bielsa with that team saying a whole different package every week you go say concerns. That people are going to going to the next level of play that he's got. It leads can do that little bit more. Can that bit faster may leads still create twenty onto the game only know the moment got the guys who finishing them off you go to the next level with months united you choking full five now wins on the days man. United aren't gonna win the this this season no no bay pony in the race by wind up in. If you're the money why not say you know what you're not fans with love this would love it. Let's just go for it. Let's go for a lot more instead of this. I don't think colleagues go about strength. i'm just. I'm appealing to the united fans. Wouldn't you want to see that. Yeah yeah. Fake component for markets russia in an edison cavani agreement or muscle is and go out and yeah entertaining. They might concede some goals. But i tell you what. They're not going to win the league this year. What did you ever go in and see where it takes him but again this is my kind of fantasy world so again comes from the philosophy of the manager. The style of play the culture. He sat in. You know you have to. You have to work and train. Those things hit about bullet retraining. Things you just don't see that ingrained in only all these not that guy and so get what we get. We're gonna get some. we're going to get some after. Say just rub have owned sheet on the appreciate you play his way. Could when the price on the say this comes a appreciated by with the week goes to edison cavani For about forty five minutes came on that totally changed the game The the assistant bruno fernandes for the fistfuls chose the vision the inside the box and you talk about it for the fiscal golan and little piece on the top cheeks. Sasha As shot comes in from bruna fan from the corner. He's the only person that's missing in the eighteen. Y'all bulbs everybody else's study and as a run the videos slowly. The one person is constantly on the move that is gonna do the ruining it. Kind of sets up into ball goes watch actually three sack. He knows it to rise to the between being him in windsor rice. He get savvy knows the contract on the bull. I mean it was just class penalty. Box finishing The kind of thing is difficult to teach is ingrained in some people in edison. Cavani got and as you say he's not gonna play low tonight you mitch. I don't think going to be huge important levies off. The bench will start monday night. I think the This little thing we do every week is just a tip is to say. Don't forget this guy. Is i know. He's three or whatever it might not. You might not see him as very bust. Yeah he key can be a. Is bill rob as well as niece. Not it's not fowl cowboy bill now. He's a sluts on is is a lean guy the same Yeah i and these guys may be a little bit more durable and i a bit more energy and stamina than others at that survey so exciting. It's exciting. I wanna see more of them. I'll have more of a little while. I think down wants anymore. Shell would by the way to kick on guys time to start adding avenue as well if they start looking at the. They got bought to scoring goals than you not do start. Looking their learn from robert nigh training every day you got you just sit and walk. Get until to him and go through video with him. 'cause or marksman at the top of the pitchers made some special. Let's talk about getting better. Controversy the liverpool one. One against brian vail got involved in this year was unhappy again. After the game so a wrenching. I think at frustrations dropping points frustrations implies injured With tv schedules and media companies. Not happen now. I'm read some stuff today rubbish. I'm not sure whether i whether i agree with it. That is this your cups kind of defection tactics that we've seen other managers you to the story away from a disappointing. I don't think. I think he has a couple of things. Let's so the two things you'd sexual narrow this just hit those first. So the penalty. Yeah very late penalty It was andy robinson. The went for the ball and class. Doney while back. This is my take on it okay. Nothing was given at the time from the referee. That was no complaint from dunwell beck. Those was no complaint from any brighton plan nearby and i feel strongly the via i was brought in and we know why its broiling to stop clear and obvious aris now early on last season we saw that we talked about when vir get involved was very very very high we look at it fouls fassa cleaner and they weren't being given this is the other end of the scale this the other end of the scale where fast not here novice era. That's not clear nervous era. That was a penalty when not one person on the field of play is thinking about it. We're risk rob if if you go down this road of not using clear and obvious that we're going to get forensic officiating and every single thing. When when i see on the screen now a game on i'll know what effect can almost manufacturer a penalty of any coming together with slow emotional. Yeah let the referee called the game on the field and via only get involved if again unnoticed. Subjective are knows right but this was one. Like wow and if we look at it rob and you see a pla- swing is boop koi kind of coach s the point. I was making what we're going to be careful. We don't referee that. S referee citizenry. Refereeing i obsess has a moment of the moment as it. He's and i'm the same now. Which is is for now but the moment the rest of going to the monitor. I said to tim. Howard and fact it gives it because the reason it can give it is the contract if these contacts on the boot you now make that narrative that he missed the ball is contact on the boot pouncey kick forensic so some people can make that argument. Well yeah in the low and the bills at the time decay probably could. We've gone from a situatuon. Robots swat for the pool missed it. Yes donny well. Yes well but didn't even go down didn't be a pouncey. Nobody really thought it was a penalty. Shout and then. The referee then is taking over one. Rico's over he's almost the pressure to give the penalty kick because he sees contact. Yeah every comes tonight. god is. He wasn't carry on my good stuff or a good look at it. And so that's obviously disappointing. Y you can quote it. Two points dropped from a position. Where difficult is it. Looks like. Las james melania to muscle injury whereas you'll take on the clock and the scheduling of games of champions league play at the kickoff twelve thirty so of arguments in a heated argument with the tv companies. How that feels. I'm a little bit more uncomfortable with after a thought. It was an old interview to watch as kelly was within an absolutely every right to stand his ground. And you know. I thought klopp was a little bit out of order on the muscle leila necessary. Wasn't he yeah about the. Chris wilder as well. What about consol. While i it. Sheffi night doesn't doesn't you're gonna have to get on with liverpool and chris while has to do what's right foot fit to sheffield. There's well it's a little bit and jurgen klopp's a little bit in danger. I think did you say of just taking a focus on okay bye. Let's not is he is. He's been frustrated ever since he first started with english football about certain things and any been pretty good up to this point. Is that you know. i'm just saying it. You know whether it's fixed the congestion's lots of different things. Where he he is different to germany. Whatever i feel right now is ready to explode which is which is not not a good place to be a fuel in charge of this club and that frustration that sense of wrongdoing mutton through to the players and they they might start feeling hard done by. Listen i don't know why would say about is of course he's got. He's got a bit of a point with liverpool. Keep getting scheduled for that. The early game after wednesday and his point where he's saying come on guys by see what he wants to be companies. Give us a break. This is this is a covert season. And i know that we agreed these time. Slots will work for the primarily clubs. But this isn't a normal season. I'm mean the amount of games amount of injuries and we don't have five subs give us a break. That's what he's saying. And i hear it but tapie companies are hurt. His wealth a massive draw. And it's the same for other clubs in that situation. Man city were were in greece. I think on the wednesday that another couple of hours rock day of their game. It's ten o'clock with pat. To be fat is just get some of that. Jurgen klopp and it sucks and i get is points. Yeah he's got to get on with that. Rob is gonna get on with that. Especially can't they ain't going to change anything that can account and pick because tv companies a her and they need. They need ratings. Then you people will get more revenue from appetizers facile. It works liverpool massive drill. And will we pick for the sunday afternoon. All the or the saturday early saturday game. So he's just gotta get with. It calmed down and focus on monday. His euro and i and i did say they don't want this to start affecting his team and all that he's a maybe small enough to keep the to paul. He'll remember robert in shot at those tv schedules of the global audience this global game for the asian senior one south shit so i let her bank found. I want want to make millions of dollars of revenue so we call every way become by vigil. Vandyke nearly one hundred million dollars which majority of which will come from tv revenues. But then say oh. We don't wanna play these win this. I mean it's just a covert time. Robin is just different. Made it really difficult to fulfill their obligations. And that's what. He's getting frustrated with. And i hear impo covid i. Love is logger. Two thousands of people millions of people through the thing and you know a pandemic does not to football. I'm football club so yeah them from yoga. We'll see how he goes over the next few weeks if he can get his attention back on on the football team strange chopard the table team that cutback back to be formula of low. Bit more like they're all cells much as sixty five win against burnley that was full straight occasions that they've beaten only by five nil at the the competitions and it was a bit more city finishing off the chances that we've seen city make it solve the season and not do really it was it was a bit like oh to say about now. I don't think i've ever seen a team in the premier league that can make winning games. Look so easy and do it with teams that get rotated some of my notes. It man city happier rotating they rotate it a lot. More with pat over the last well since he's been the football club. It's been something that he brought in straightaway sometimes one to see the best place. He rotates a lot and that rotation is helping them right now. Just changes to the that many changes by the way but they always rotate and read marez. All of a sudden looks like his form is the top of your name scored a hat trick and when they when they knocked the ball around and going back to the point. A team teams. I haven't gone says facility lot when they're in this mode of knocking the ball around at burley often for straight some of the bigger clubs to what they do but again. This is the same scoreline. That we've seen this. This game for a few times now and i just i look at it and thank god. What such a such a good side. That played lovey football incorrect goals. In this game yes of course in big games recently. They've lost and they haven't been so. I've got two losses already. So yeah but you know again. I haven't got that many notes. Because i didn't learn that much. Yeah they're great snipe. I learnt that they can rotate the happier to rotate. And then there's been no moaning from pep guardiola on the unsought side of things. But they look a look so silky so effective and five saw city looking at that position. Up nineteen fifteen point six behind ladies at the moment spurs but a game in a hot. Then they're going to be of the race on that big. Wholesome it's josie would say i think they're big. They're they're enormous seasons. Rob losing two games at this early stage. Because i always look at that. I mean you don't you don't lose four or five and win the title. They've already but this. Kobe situation on these injuries. An liverpool's kind of issues with injuries might make this a different season. Then we've seen for a long time. It might be. You're gonna lose five or six seven games and still win it so that puts you on city still in it. You just gone through the numbers. They're they're not far behind. They would not game in hand they ride up there aguire. Coming back of course is going to be important. Whenever that is permanently back against restraining again again is knees. We move on because this guy. I not a my research. Like school tangles conceded. Eleven which is like number genova here for months. It was kinda struggling for goals. Five goals kickstarts a lot. Here now heard pep old trafford before the game say about rarely ever knock. He's not ready. Yeah and then he said something it kinda stick with me. He's got seven months to prove to me. That is worse another contract so it was quite a harsh thing to this. Great goals scored to me were in tallahassee. I agree as like a random. Like what you guys is trying to have so it was a yeah. It was a he comes out with some of these things is like just make louisiana. Does he just want to. I mean just unless unless thinks. He's just he's just like shit an out patient treatment he's on bothered about game back fit again to give him a g up. Maybe i can't imagine. 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I mean where do we go with all small with people talking about his records. The new niamh raised a position now and now. They're in in the in the table. I mean said if also go into the end of the year. Eleven twelve in four team. What what what we do what we talking about. Well i'll tell you what i mean. I think mick out our taxes position. We'll be we'll be more scrutinized. Not my may rob. It's rebuild time it's bill with the spot in two. Maybe three managers with some of these plays the the haven't delivered yet. And that you talked about pierre emerick aubameyang and his struggles a little bit. I don't think that's the problem the club. I think there's too many players. The aren't the on auto plants on a not good enough to be awesome. Yeah start the season we saw these young also plaza. Willocks make the nihilism In a few of the younger players. I think right now the of coming into the side. I'm like wow nelson and catchy lot lot. Yeah yeah executable. I think the manager known for a that. there's some senior players the on up to it. I i'm finger a few down here. Just just some names. Roller thanksgiving given everything. You know william now. I think we agreed. Start the season. That was a good signing. Yeah though the only worry would be age on big salary with a good contract that he could ease up a little bit. I we've -solutely sin willion. Come off the pace a little bit from the early start way. Look like a million bucks a memphis like why we just trying into. That side makes up for each talker. We know about him rump. Feel about nickel by. It's not his fault. He was a record signing. It's a ton of money but but but decisions. Recruitment of the past is still being problem for the next manages and then the team that wants to go forward. I don't know whether he's good enough to be an awesome strike up. I think we both thought that he was going to guarantee you. I didn't just guarantee you twenty goals. Louise is a plan that will go on talk. Collision by the way again is done betta done better but his aging grandjacques. Another player that. I've got here is like this is too many of them were. I just think it's obvious now that the bad decisions recruitment wise over the last few years is starting to hurt. The company spent money. They spend money but i. I don't know whether it's been spent sickly wisey gabrielle's look good setback. This one cup stuff. And it's been great signs rob and we all agree that this manager hot in the right place is smart enough. You know but wow we said this. This job was was going to be difficult. I didn't see it dropping off where he seemed to get to a point worldwide. Structurally in shape wise and they looked a lot better. They've really taken some steps back now. Which will be alarming to the manager is and when you when you look at the squad in some of the players. They got to be playing near the best to give themselves a chance in the games and if they drop below that if if that event normality is below that if you're playing a little bit themselves in those first games and look very average team you're watching the game saying this is awesome cake retention these great football is no talk a rope so that we can do it. It's a matter of. Can they do on a regular basis or they kind of. I dunno just a bit crystal palace players that we see some games. Good we see some games. But i wanna go back twelve now. You're saying he. He's not the main means and i totally get a but he's captain of the football club and there's ivy you kind of keep an eye on social media around what will also finds say and then the funds of the teams. I mean alon yesterday. The edison qabbani's in forty five minutes while over nine family gained ego copa goals. This arguments out there. That otis signed the big long contract and he hasn't been the same since i'm one of those. I don't believe in the listen. We both play football. We both been paid salaries. You negotiate your contract and you'd get on with things. It's never a avid been jive at on a football pitch number comes into your head. No focal funds will look at it. You'll know the kind of money's in hundreds of thousands pounds a week but look at since talent. I think he scored one goal in in these last nine games. How does the manager at elba more than that to me saying. He's lost a little bit of baseball. Now maybe the team of the club. I put you know that the celebrations ab- him in lock is at the bit with him and his teammates. This smile on his face. It looks a little bit disillusioned with it. Why interested in because you're basically throwing throwing that name into the names of giving you a players that i didn't but yeah i guess you make an argument that you get a big billion rob. Is that too many plays the around. Thirty years of age will load the not really as motivated driven as some of the plus. You might see a chelsea some of these young guys. I wanna go into great things. I didn't buy me. I'm in that but it's it's something to watch out for. I just i'm going on. I kind of know what you can do. And he's yet many times for arsenal the greater issues of why. He's not scoring goals in himself right now in the way that the plane and whether others are creating around pepsi's doing nothing williams quite the moment you have younger players are going to be a little bit inconsistent this not a bum bamiyan but get your point. I get your point nine if you throw him in. Wow i mean you about recruitment. if you'll right or your hunches right rob on this club of invested again so much in salary and in contracts to to secure plan everybody will agree. The you have to stand club because he was so but if is is attitude drops off while that that would be disappointing in on sunday levels but again it just goes to the point. The the alternatives job is made even bigger than he thinks and is rebuild for me and if it means you play a lot more of these younger players now and you start to some the other ones but it's difficult to them out because you've paid them a lot of money and go along contracts william bomb yang. I'm not sure what jack is. Contract situation is as well as the year. So yeah. it's from the those in the bullets rooms and those making decisions and each minutes on the pitch. We have to talk about this game. It was an incident. The collision between lewis Jimenez as it happens when those yachts tune away You saw the the faces of the players medical staff iran on manas believe dave meltzer. Jimmy didn't move for while we heard yesterday before we came that he'd go talk hospital and he was supposed to have been conscious and talking to benicia At that time was good. News but overnight we've sent to it. He's had an operation is gonna crack school Which in really serious injury for the Food and You know obviously we send up as wishy. Hope he makes a full and speedy recovery It took us rob back. Am to at time bygone time and not say tim win. Said he was playing in the game when hugo lewis got a head injury and we were doing. The game with a bb was managing. louis head. Injury was checked by this is ios remember was came on a clip told him to come off you stay state on an after they finally out of concussion full of old that. Let's let's in the game all this talk about dementia and had injuries. With footballers recently is becoming very very tropical op. All the treadmill league juban enough to safeguard the health of if plays with this very loose like the doctor's to give you a observational visual. Apparently the job actually to read it assigning the ground and if he can be the sign their polka pies. You're okay in really. Is that where we are with this game. Which so much. Money was so much high profile would replace the biggest assumption evani club about. Can you to sign the protocols. They've got to be looked. Gotta many times of we had this conversation. Rob and the last one wasn't they're meant to be a concussion doctor. In the independent of clubs. What i said. I it's now down to adultery. We went through the primarily. Political is not into club. Doctor who goes on it does an observational absolute. What he's like verbal and visual chest are the three criteria if the if the play is able to do those three on the doctors provides able to either continuing the game or the doctor tells him to come off mean. That's like absolutely right. It's it's bordering on scandalous now. Basically where this is going now. I know the i think the fa cup robson third round isn't doing a trial with concussion. Subs which yeah. Yeah i guess you're going be able to put sub on his attention cocoon income off and take a proper yari five minute evaluation. Whatever is to see whether he's okay a proper valuation vat for me is a no brainer rob given where we are today given the visits. I'm not gonna go away. And and football clubs continued with that practice is to put play. Plays lives a danger that that's because this is almost practice humus blunt medical malpractice. Louise who blood spitting out his head to couldn't stand up as he was having treatment is to go on his knee and go down to be bandaged up to be thrown back on the pitch for more coming steeping to the wound and then not come on the second half. I sent you about jinxing going to be really interesting. If lewis comes back out which. I'd never thought it would for moments. Because basically they've they've got that wrong and the guy couldn't head the ball gets in another knock-on ahead i it's gonna shot in the. Pfa have got to do more of the players have got to start looking at himself. These a serious injuries. We've seen what happened to humanitarian. And again we end up to him. a horrible sickening in incidents in and hopefully in makoba essentially wait for the primarily. Do on this because You pull in people's lives viskhan which doesn't need to be the case so just to switch to Something more positive. My under appreciated performance of the weekend royal was in its game nine and a bumper. Two players are under underappreciated. Petro netto daniel putin's into well. Not young prudence. Twenty five or think he is a nets host. just twenty. really good age for him. The to plays robbed the lineup Lighting up daniel putting subset before reminds me if small number ten plays the same sort of way creative took his goal. Really really well. In mezzo is another berlin bitter a crewman from the book of twenty years of as it looks a million dollars. You can about funding the three. You play this game. As wide of the four four two in that position still comes inside and gets involved in gets his goals those two players as we send from wolves with yoga yata and donald trump right. This club picks and develops attacking as really. Well this is another example of netto and put in the on just for me. Good young players that revenue good spell. Their ruediger plays a negative. Show it over the coming. Weeks and months maybe seasons particularly natto for wolverhampton wanderers football club. That that they are at the moment a loop it under the radar. They are great threat. Route humanist let's hope he gets back and plays because of the front three of those simply for what was really impressive so those two plays small diminutive exciting to watch quick skilful good great recruitment plaster walls go forward absolutely and i think that's one of these. Maybe joe jogo jockey was allowed to leave because they have something different to to the frontline. It just reminded of the people that results from the weekend. Disappointing the getting to know loss in newcastle light. Goals from wilson. Joe ellington everton of one nil loss to laze to gain dominate possession and be elsa style the phoenix with the goal goal for leeds was enough to get all three points and westbound the big six point to the bought my friend conical with a slightly deflected goal and precious starting to he. Okay swallow one point from ten the worst ever let me say again the worst episode. We don't send them so this coming. Nobody saw coming up from this team. Season ninth in the league. I think it was fifty six points thirty nine. Goals scored nine goals conceded. You know really great thinking. Wow that easily talk. Becker asas this like second season syndrome will ask this guy not the way that just shows you just never know in this league and after like three or four games on thinking enough yet goes on on the body language in the conference on the manage demeanor not. Wow this is wrong now. where it's it's a blemish. You will run to stay in the primitive this year. Not absent didn't see that coming. I just wanna i did. I watched the game. I just how much. I love watching late. Everton a i guess. A newer net that changes in there that evolution unity leads under bills a little bit. More time put cotonou just love the way they possess. Can they go forward and they got going. They continue to go forward. I never to need more time than the a thing on the internet thing today on social media. It wasn't going to website where saw saying let playing against leeds is like being thrown into wash trip and tumble dryer and put on full spinning. Because he liked still uncomfortable. And it's like why don't went to do that. Can you imagine planet at all the way to do it. I think chris policy at it own blaming you have it you have the ball sitting asset stance doing shape. I do all the running around. And we're gonna maybe get on the counter-attack that's the best way to play lease because if you want open gain they capanni. It's really out because you know one of the games singing about a is an next week. He's chelsea leeds without thinking about a thinking about them lead. It was going to be interesting. House josie put the handcuffs on a leads. Team comes volume will will will. But he's fascinated. What a contrast of two styles. One guy is trying to handcuff you. Install removing the other guy's gonna wriggling around and not letting you do i. I just thought to be a fascinating game of two minds. Who was dead set in the ways. Ingrained in football clubs are gonna fly into different ways miserable just before we go. I do wanna just mention diego maradona. I was very very sad. Passing of of arguably the greatest plants have a play the game and broke broke my heart in nineteen eighty-six as an england. Fan watching what he did against england. Obviously the hand bowl for the first one. But then pure real genius of the second goal. I i saw a lot of the guys said in a lobby The comments and stuff. I've got a lot to add is just when when you watch him play. It felt different. It fell what looked like the ball is attached to his body with the acceleration and the way that he pushes the ball. plas- when you don't expect to see that justice is individual town ability the the documentary. I'm not sure which channel it's all now. Probably about six months ago was faster and under a new skew sense of what his world is like in naples italy and get an with with with with questionable people mafia influences so i mean there's no question adored a winner and winner when you can you can throw your team on your shoulder in a world cup and be that dominant and that amazing that level of football on those pitches that time was spectacular and While you're seeing it now without crying and the scenes in different parts of the world where he touched it remarkable and as you say for me it was. It was a football stall now. The mix of rock star. The kind of bought something different. You know massey's great player in manal the he has factors while the something about maybe and it's slightly dog china with his blessing curse sky a with genius and added a slightly flow. Saw to input for me the best obscene to me the best. I've seen and probably the most influential individual members seen him as a kid. And just watching joel bulls and do the off the swagger swagger about rox house dolphin dancing for the game with the bull that violate already seen it. Now he was. Yeah it was good. Money's gonna be well missed through diego. Maradona i'll say this week. Has chelsea and spurs bodied. No goal were plenty of incidents. Both money does relatively happy with the point was enough to take spurs back to the table. All united needed. A cavani inspired hall points. We're going to be back next week. And that's much week. Eleven when the appetizer is chelsea dicey means and the main entree is more of a north london. Darby spurs against awesome awesome team. That not going so well at the moment. Top of the table for now. I'm oh he's still together with the to be sensible listening. Stay safe and stay healthy. It's good not me and it's goodnight from him. Good night good night.

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HOUR 1- Mike Florio and Ross Tucker Oct 23, 2020

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HOUR 1- Mike Florio and Ross Tucker Oct 23, 2020

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This is the show for the people to help us navigate a resistant teachable moments from the so-called law and order headlines Listened to Holding Court with K Williams on the iheartradio, APP and Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on. Fox Sports Radio. We did it I had the under, but we mated to a Friday they said, we couldn't do it. We did it welcome. It's a meet Friday at that. I check the traegergrills this morning. First thing I do when I come in I don't come in and go are all the dance here house todd doing I always check the traeger grill we got Cajun shrimp we got Buffalo Chicken sliders we got green, Chili Mac and cheese baked pickles buttermilk dip baked. TACO skillet dip and brought S- it's a meet Friday. Hope you're having a great day. Glad. You're part of the program if you're listening if you're watching, you're doing both you wanNA email tweet dial up you can do all of those. If you'd like Mike Florio will join US coming up are the raiders going to be able to play a football game coming up this weekend because the raiders starting offensive line is not been able to practice due to covid. Also the fascination with a two point conversion. Now, the new analytics in the NFL Brady Quinn on loan from Fox sports. He'll be there for the Ohio State Buckeyes as they open the season coming up on Saturday on Fox against Nebraska can the big ten get a team into the final four? So Brady will join US coming up a little bit later on and the Commissioner of Major League Baseball takes a victory lap rob Manfred, what's the future of the? Designated hitter and all tell him some my problems with the game. I'm sure he'll love hearing the get off the lawn speech that I've had most of this week your headlines, the Eagles beat the giants in an epic battle. By the way, the NBA draft is going to be November eighteenth who would have thought. We'd have the masters in the NBA draft week apart. We got dodgers raise coming up tonight and I mentioned the big ten open up this weekend. Let's go back to the NFC east. There is a new slogan. Somebody's got to win the NFC east and last night the giant Eagle's they were alternating between who wanted to win this and who didn't WanNa win this yet great plays, boneheaded mistakes and felt like every drive is an adventure. It somehow Philly came out on top twenty to twenty one. Giant swept by eleven with less than five minutes to go they couldn't put it away. Carson wentz found a way a beautiful touchdown pass Boston Scott in the end zone. I still have a hard time with the name Boston Scott. It's cool name. I know, but it's not a football name. It's. Be, like a character in trading places with Eddie Murphy Boston Scott Junior the third come in here. Yes. Point the ACDC died bond Scott Launch God that's why I get confused when you bond Scott never played football I don't think bonded. A there is a tie earlier in the season with Philadelphia. So they sit alone atop the division there to foreign one. Now, you can see the eagles being the favorites and they still have major issues injury issues. The second half of their season their schedule is pretty brutal. It's one of the top ones in the NFL. You saw Carson Wentz last night make some great plays I still think he's a very talented quarterback. This gotta get jalen hurts in their jalen hurts still has to play behind that offensive line Carson. Wentz made some things happen last night he made things happen with his legs. He still holds onto the ball too long at times he plays Hero Ball. He's trying to make a play instead of just throwing it away but. The Eagles can take ten days off I. Don't know how much healthier they're going to get, and by the way when we say well, somebody's got to win the NFC east. The team that wins the NFC EAST GETS TO HOST A playoff game folks those much as you say, well. NFC's discount them. As we sit here right now or stand here or you're driving or walking or whatever you're doing. I wouldn't be surprised if the NFC east, whoever is the winner? Wins the opening round playoff game. Because I don't know who feels unbeatable in the NFC right right now. And you might have a situation where the buccaneers win ten or eleven games, and they finished second to the saints and they would be the five seed they'd have to go to Dallas or Philadelphia. It's crazy. I mean if the bears got a wildcard, they can be beat. Is Much as we want to discount the NFC east because it's bad football right now or bad records. The time we roll around a week sixteen weeks seventeen, we get ready for a playoff game, these teams or the team that wins might look a whole lot different. If Dallas gets everybody back on defense and you still have any formidable offense. Than, Dallas will be a dangerous team Philadelphia can be a dangerous team. Now, you don't have the home field advantage. You're far as the crowd goes and Philadelphia would be a great home field advantage. Dallas maybe not as much but Philadelphia certainly would be but you could see scenario what if the rams win the division and Seattle with eleven wins has to go to Dallas like these possibilities here and I wouldn't discount the NFC east as much as they're playing bad football. They're still GONNA BE HOSTING A playoff game this program brought to you by Breeders Cup World Championships Learn More Breeders Cup dot com slash twenty, twenty, catch all the action fourteen exhilarating races November sixth and seventh the world's best thoroughbreds all the action live on NBC sports play of the day. Stat of the day and make love and here to the rescue with the poll question before I get the poll question do you ever remember situation where team could be tanking for the number one pick, and then in the third quarter be the potential leader of their division at the same time, and then the eagles are full on trade dateline sellers with six minutes left in the game twitter's go nuts should they get rid of this guy? This guy? This guy and now they're in the driver's this isn't this is what I I don't think the giants are tanking. I think the giants and I said this yesterday looking back on their last couple of games like they've they've gotten better. There's only so much better. They can get because of their talent deficit. But Daniel Jones can make plays. Ken He. Partial. He can make partial play. Can make most of a play if Evan Ingram catches that third down past the giants win last night. Daniel Jones. He's one of the great eighty yard running quarterbacks in the history of the game. It's the other eight yards that he has problems within. This is how it sounded on Westwood One last night. Shotgun Formation Jones fake now he runs. He's got a huge. Twenty Five Thirty Very. Daniel Jones. Jones nothing. Green. Grass. Them. And Chip wise what this has been all about. He is down at. An Eagle with the call laughter courtesy of our boy Ross Tucker who is the sideline analyst? There was no analysis there. If you listen once again, the analysis was basically what we were doing watching the play as you listen one more time. Shotgun Formation Jones fake it now, Raunchy got a huge. Twenty five thirty. Own. Learning. Jong Nothing. Green Grass in front of him. Chip applies what this. All about. So Ross Tucker, the Voice of America. fritzy. Says that he thinks he was in the booth last night with an eagle not on the field. If you're I do acknowledge Ross laughing ignored him Abu. and. To Ross duckers amusement. Jones falls down I wouldn't even acknowledge it. I would just you know Ns job is just to give you the play by play. That's not exactly Emmy Award winning analysis by Ross but it was what we were thinking at the same time. He was carrying every white guys hopes on that run and I think he was just too heavy. That's why he stumbled each just running I'm going. Yeah. That's going to be a ninety yard too. She just felt down. Yes, some people seem to be debating, Y Daniel Jones fell. Like did he just run out of gas or did he trip I think sometimes and I've seen this happen with guys running the forty yard dash you run, you get to a certain speed and you get off balance and you get out on your toes and I think he was trying to run faster. He's running about twenty one miles per hour. That's a pretty good clip. And you're not used to running eighty yards. Forty yards, twenty yards I think he got out there and he he looks over and sees the defensive back to his left and I think he tried to speed up because the defensive back to his right slow down and I think he tried to get even faster there and he got out over his skis as we like to say and came tumbling down. There's a moment there where he's getting the speed wobbles. You he's running and all of a sudden his arm started out his legs start looking like they're made a jelly and you're like, Oh, my God this toots going down. Yes, you're right at the forty yard line. It takes a quick peek back of his shoulder and sees defensive back number twenty one catching up, and it's like his body said. All right. We're done. We're shutting this down here and the body doesn't know what the end zone is. If, you're covering the game or covering the giants and seeing how brutally they lost the are you asking that question is something? I know it's all over social media everything. Daniel Jones about what happened there? It's one of the big plays in the game. But what do you expect him to say? Well, he was asked after the game. Here's Daniel Jones. Daniel. What happened at the end of the run were you went eighty yards just Try to run fashion and I was running and and got caught up so. We finished the drive scored a touchdown. So hours relief. To me for sure. Yeah. Fair question just what happened. We ask it all the time. He'd like to Patrick Mahomes tweeted. Say anything because I wouldn't be able to run that far either. All laughing emojis You're not. You're not used to running that far to begin with, and then you see a defensive back who's probably faster than you approaching catching up, and then you try to run faster and. Well we saw what happened. Which quarterback failure would you want the least? What happened to January Jones last night? Dan Orlovsky runs out of the end zone. On this mean. Mark Sanchez, but fumble. You gotTA, Pick Okay, you have to pick one. You got to pick the one that you don't want the one. You don't want the most or the one of now I'm GonNa you're okay well. I'd rather that I'm GonNa, make you pick one that you have to wear the rest of your career. Yeah So, Mark Sanchez Fumble I was there that night Orlovsky running out of the end zone? And Daniel Jones falling last night. Yes born. Or lascaris has more comedy to it because the extended rollout where he's out about the defensive Limon's going you're out. You're out about you got about and he's still looking down. But how long did it take for him to be able to laugh at it? Because when you do it and then you're known as the guy who didn't know how far the end zone was. Now. He's established himself as a very good analyst the mothership if I'm Mark Sanchez though and the most noted play of my career starts with the word but. To to suit cheese that your your biography or obituary as a football player. The first word is, but and the last word is fumble right? Goes Rarely, there's no positive spin their market, a nice career because you can look at Daniel. Jones. Say It's pretty athletic. Just. The fact that he got, he tripped himself up he ran eighty yards. That's pretty. That's pretty good. Because Dan Orlovsky didn't do anything athletic other than he just kept backing up and backing up and Mark Sanchez had the butt fumble. So I, I would certainly take what happened to Daniel Jones last night. Yes. mclovin you good point. They said he was wearing twenty miles an hour that's Matt Brita speed and Dale Jones a six five to fifty. I don't think that could be right 21-mile. That's like super super fast he's not to fifty well, whatever he's big though. That's is he has. He's he must be he's probably six three to twenty five. He's a good athlete and it was a good basketball players well. That's what they had him like twenty one point four miles per hour I think. And I always thought back to. Who was? Played quarterback for the steelers. Mark? Look like Marlon I. Think he has the longest run by a quarterback in history like I think malone add like ninety one yarder. That sounds right. But Mark Malone. You know it was one of those faked the end of the line, and then he ran around the end and just kept going and I think I think Mark Malone as the longest run by a quarterback in NFL history that was something. You know high eighties, low nineties, young polling Daniel Jones leading the league in quarterback rush per carry nine point five, this year two, hundred, ninety, six yards rushing. fee only had eight more yards. Is Anybody taking anything other than Daniel Jones late night you don't want Orlovsky running out of the end zone or This a lot of comedy there. A LOT OF COM- Daniel Jones. There's a lot of athleticism like there's a lot of athleticism and there's no lettuce. Lettuce and I'm just not quite enough. Yeah. I'm familiar with the back half. He had great athleticism for about seventy two yards and then. The. Lack of athleticism came in there. Yes mclovin. If Evan Ingram caught that ball like does that help Dale Jones or like over history will be nicely I would happen when they scored on that that Dr. Evan Ingram cost the giants I mean. That's one of those. Where do you want me to put the ball? How `Bout Right in my hands oh? Okay and then he drops it. If Ingram, catches the ball they win. Plain simple. They didn't lose because Daniel Jones, they lost because of an Ingram. Yes, there's athleticism count though if you don't finish the play. Yes. What about like those runners and we've seen in college and pro, and they make running sixty seventy yards and they decided to drop the ball at the one yard line forgetting. Your questions today Doesn't that take away from the someone runs because if I made a unbelievable stop in the whole. Unbelievable drive. And I didn't get it over there and time bounced it over there or. Through it past the first basement did I make an athletic play Yeah. But it's not it's not particularly memorable. If it didn't didn't get all the way to the desired goal there and something embarrassed even think you're supposed to ask him a question about it after the game, they lost the game when I look trying to start up something with the guy for. into play. Yeah. But he what can you possibly say other than he tripped that I, don't know what look. It's an obvious answer. He didn't trip. He said, I was trying to run faster by running too fast. He tripped while he was trying to run the stumbled. I to me that the. Other questions you can ask just because it's a fight that's would you ask Daniel Johns you would think I would ask them that if they would've won, I think it would have been playful fung question to ask because he's in a playful mood and they won the game then you could be silly with would you ask Walker bueller about his pants in a loss? I would not. Okay. we'll come up with a poll question here I. Don't know if that's poll question we're going with orienting. It's already up there. They ask me what would you least want not which would you most want which one do not WanNa? Get tagged with yeah. I would say the fumble. I mean. You, you can understand it in the moment. Somebody's chasing you and you you back up and you don't realize that you're two yards further than the back of the endzone club I to be honest I don't even remember what the fumble why is it called? The did the If, you didn't want to play like it's kind of hard to remember what that was. You were there against Patriots what happened like it sort of went behind his but it didn't. All we hit the lion in front of his, but still it wasn't. No. This you usually watch that play. New Your Post Headline Killed Him. Is, that game was just like a slaughter from the moment it started I know but we tend to pick out plays all the time. and. Don't really put it in the context of what happened in the game. You know people will forget the Daniel Jones when he fell, they still scored on that drive. Now that'd be like if bill buckner had the ball, go through his legs in the eighty six world series, but they still won the world series then we might look at it differently but they were going to win the world series ball goes through his legs if all of a sudden buckner. redeems himself and they win. Then you know we look at it differently. Yes. So Mark Sanchez played against England it's a broken play and he he goes to the hand off the running back was the wrong direction. So he just kind of runs it the middle nothing was gonNA happen he fumbles and I think it was run back for a touchdown by the defensive back. The problem is on the replay they show three replays of the mark. Sanchez. But fumble play the third one they show from behind no pun intended and you see him run into a wall of but cheeks basically, and that's what makes it because if they never showed the replay where his face goes into number sixty, five's backside. All we'd be talking about his Oh. That's a bad play fumbled and the Patriots. Post headline. I think it was just fumble, but I'll double tall. Okay. The other ones don't have a name does Daniel Jones is the only cover, the New York Post and New York Daily News. How about Leeann let on. Thanksgiving. Is that too far long ago? Didn't he and as I recall he was running down the field they start celebrating and somebody stole the ball and it cost them the game. No, you didn't have to touch the ball always. Oh, right. Okay. The snow. Yeah. I mean you could also have the play by Don Beebe in the Super Bowl where he chases down Leon Latin, he tries to celebrate too soon knocks the ball out of his hands. Out of the end zone. But we were kind of keeping it with the quarterback theme here. And when you have a name of fix to your mistake then that's where it lives lives on forever. Yes mclovin. Looking for the near post headline is, is the butt fumble is the New York, debacle of the decade. It's the worst mistake and New York sports twenty years well no, that's wrong. Because they got blown out by the Patriots that night. Yes, Boeing Daniel Jones quarterback he's Daniel Jones a third so he's trip. Trip Jones. We just call that now that's A. Name of the Year Jones. Jones imagine if that's The nickname he went by Dang going into the NFL his now. Dan Orlovsky is given name is safety. That's not right. That's not not. Yes e- Mark Sanchez Amos. A. True. True given name. Isn't there a town often ninety five yet M. I. A. N. US is called my anus. Miami's minus. It's I think it's like exit five or something off of ninety five and I was giggle go by they're not exit to. Get might be exit to seize right it's my annus minus. Yes. Let me go. To exits down from SHARPSVILLE. Pennsylvania. Break here like Floreal. Healers Camp Mike. Mike Florio is gonNA. Join US are the raiders going to have any starting offensive Lineman for their game this weekend, the fascination with a two point conversion and laugh all you one about the NFC east. But whoever wins is hosting a playoff game Brady Quinn on Ohio State's chances to be a final four team and the Commissioner Major League Baseball Rob Manfred all of that coming up here twenty two after the. Hour this is the Dan. Patrick Show. Thanks for listening to the Dan. Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch US live every weekday morning nine to noon eastern or six to nine. Pacific. 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Once again, save up to five hundred dollars on select smart beds sleepnumber dot com slash Patrick, or by Chat Ross Tucker who was on the call for Westwood. One. Last night he'll join US coming up. Roses in the background of I eagles call on the radio where he just started laughing when Daniel Jones. Tripped stumbled in fell. Just. fritzy. police found out that Daniel Jones is Danny Jones a third which would make him trip Jones. We sorry somebody who tweeted who said Daniel Jones look like fritzy when he gets one good mock headline and then tries to keep going. Wait a minute speaking of mock headlines, Todd. You WanNa. Do this before we get to Florio? I do have some headline. Okay. This is off of last night the eagles and the giants and my apologies to Mike Florio fee has to listen to this while he's on hold. Okay. You got some music their seat. There we go. Mock headlines Eagles over the giants. Upon a time card shows flashes of early. Success. They might be giants they are in last place. Another rough trip to Philly Daniel Jones Jinse all. Case. Closed judge giants pathetic. Hot Peppers. I. Eight hundred, one this week. Hot Peppers. Salt over collapse questions. Today, that would be. Special Not in that division. Big Blue. Jersey boys still not ready for Broadway. Come on Man Biden also scratching head over Jiemin. Very popular phrase's days come on man. What the FRAC? No debating how giants Bad. Debates. Don't Mute Essen here. All right you really you rallied. You were the opposite of Daniel. Jones you were better at the end than at the beginning very nice I. Think we should meet your microphone and you go home. Mike Florio the Popular Co host of Pro Football Talk Live Mike. How are you this morning? Good. You Know Fritzy three at the Michael Scott Approach to a wedding toast you just have. Different things lined up until one land. But he doesn't get out. That's the problem for just. Here's our poll question if you could pick, you gotta you gotTa. Pick. One. You WanNa be Daniel Jones last night Dan Orlovsky running out of the end zone or Mark Sanchez with fumble. Oh boy. Wow Probably, law ski running out of the end zone because that one has had some relative staying power, but it's not over the top I roll Rhone every time you see it's just kind of funny and light the butt fumble just kind of like the ultimate grown doozer Daniel. Jones I have no idea how long this one's GonNa last private feeling. It's GonNa stick with him as long as the lakes I'll go I'll go a or B or whatever it was Orlovsky but I got give January Jones credit for being athletic for seventy yards. Orlovsky and Sanchez there's nothing outlet about what they did there and Daniel Jones afterwards said Hey I just tried to run faster How many times have we seen guys run to the end zone and they look up and they can check on the video board that no one is close enough to tackle them. He just has like no awareness which is not surprising because in the pocket, he has no awareness. Maybe that's his biggest flaw because he's got the physical skills. For at least eighty yards, not for the final two seven do you think the giants are on the clock for the number one or number two pick overall that they would consider a quarterback? I think you have to you have to do the evaluation you have to be objective and understand WHO's out there. So you can make a decision about whether the vows with the guy you have, and one of the big decisions is they're gonNA keep their GM Dave gettleman, the new GM then the first order of business maybe to bring in new quarterback, a new franchise quarterback a guy that you believe will be the next fifteen year option they thought it was going to be Daniel Jones so far it hasn't been again ball security as a problem awareness in the pocket of the problem. I don't know how much of that. You can coach out of a guy but with a new coaching staff there if they end up with a new GM, I think it becomes more urgent. But but whoever you are, you need to put in the time to look at all of the top prospects and understand their strengths and their weaknesses because even if you're trading that pick, you wanna be able to get the most out about tick and the more you know about the guy, the better suited you're going to be negotiated with whoever would wanNA come up and try to get that from you. Are the Vikings tanking. Well I don't know I mean some of these teams Yasser they tanking you don't have to try to tank I. don't even know that they're doing it deliberately but once you start selling off parts that necessarily bumps up the depth chart, a lesser guy which makes your team easier to be made GONNA concoct way had four sacks and five games for the Vikings he's fifth in the NFL. So he's the guy who can play. And and they moved on from him and they say six million dollars it gets carried over the next year the salary cap they don't spend it this year, which will come in handy but you know it feels like they're thinking about a rebuild they were trying to do kind of a reload rebuild kind of change a tire on a moving car, and that's not working obviously for the. Vikings. So they've got a lot to. Do to try to figure out who they're going to be what they're going to be and I think this is the first step toward acknowledging it and planning for the future whatever the future may entail, but it may take a few years. 'cause they're going to have some guys that that they're stuck with for a while like kirk cousins that that they're not going to be able to move on from easily after the season. If the jets said the number one pick and you were Trevor Lawrence's agent, what would you advise him to do? Well look I'm a firm Believer in player making a power play whenever and wherever cheap pan I don't like the draft in that it prevents these kids from King where they're going to start their career because look where do you go who's around you who your coach is that so much shapes how you're ultimately perceived as a quarterback you land in a spot where you wanna be with people you WanNa work for with players you WANNA play with so I'm always going to say To the first overall pick in the draft, you've got a hell of a lot more leverage than you realize if you don't want to go play for that team, say you're not GonNa do it don't worry if you get criticized don't worry at the fans are upset with you say you're not going to do it and make that power play that doesn't happen nearly enough. The raiders game against the buccaneers was going to be Sunday night. Now it's Sunday afternoon. Seattle's game against Arizona Sunday afternoon nel Sunday night the raiders going to be able to when are we going to find out if the raiders are going to be able to play this game You know they've got got, and this is the reality that. Covert protocols where guys get sent home even if they don't have it but they've been in close contact with a guy who has it that everyone's being careful and everyone's being safe well, you don't get guys ready for things that way and you may not have guys able to play that way. So I think we'll find out at some point today, but the raiders are still going to be at a disadvantage and they deserve to be at a disadvantage. You know the NFL huffed and puffed with all of my dad and. Blow the House down for the Tennessee titans a couple of weeks ago I think we're at the point now where teams need to be held accountable coaches need to be held accountable coaches, control everything how Jon Gruden about better controlling his guys to keep this kind of stuff from happening seeing the time and again with the raiders. So maybe the best punishment is salt coach. You have to go play a game on Sunday and you're not ready. Your players aren't ready. You're down seven guys too bad. You should have done A. Better job of keeping everyone in compliance with the protocol. So hopefully find out today I'm kinda getting used to the Monday night Tuesday night time I kinda like discovered plutonium by accident with this where this is kind of a good thing and maybe we need to start thinking about these windows to Monday night games for Tuesday night game going forward I wanNA see Tom Brady and John Group I wanna see that game and I got a better chance than most people are better chance of seeing it if it's played in prime. Time. So we get another Monday or Tuesday night game out of this and I keep reminding people about the NFC east. Yes. Somebody has to win this division but the team that wins that division gets to host a playoff game and you wouldn't you might be shocked to find out or think they could actually win a home playoff game with no crowd there for a home field advantage. But if you say to me, the Eagles are cowboys are going to be hosting the saints in the opener of a playoff game, the rams. I mean it's not out of the realm of possibilities that that team no matter what its record is is going to win that first playoff game with maybe a sub five, hundred record. Can years ago the seahawks for seven and nine the saints were eleven and five the defending NFL champions had to go to Seattle Seattle one and people were like, well, that's shows Seattle's that better teams like are you kidding me? You play that game in New Orleans New Orleans. Went by thirty home field advantage does matter and I don't like this current structure of the NFL I don't like four teams in the division because all you have to be the best of four crappy teams and we come up against this every year or every other year why don't they go back to? Three divisions per conference and Yeah One divisions GonNa have teams. Oh, well, five six and five Dan back in the seventy, four, five and four. They don't have to have the same number of teams. It doesn't have to be perfect symmetry. I don't like the idea that you just have a one in four chance of making the playoffs and hosting it a game and Peter King and I were talking about this earlier. The fact that it is a one in four chance means you're Never GonNa get twenty four owners to vote to change it because they all look at it and say, Hey Given year, all we have to be is the best of these four teams and we went our division and we host a playoff game and that's why it's never gonNA change but it should, and hopefully hopefully, it'll be year where it's five and eleven hosting twelve and four, and they'll be an outcry the NFL have to change it. Have a good could weekend Mike. Mike Florio. Co. Host pro football talk live on peacock with Chris Sims. We'll take a break Ross Tucker, who had the great analysis last night without saying a word on Daniel Jones is eighty yard run. All we did was laugh Ross will join. US. Coming up next here on the Dan Patrick Show. Thanks for listening to the Dan. Patrick Show podcast. 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You don't ruin the moment at especially the case in radio because people can't see what's going on. Then I couldn't help it I. I couldn't help and afterwards I said I Eagle and my producer how dinner I'll I said guys I'm. Sorry and they said absolutely not that was great. That was authentic genuine because I know you're not supposed quote unquote supposed to do that. But that might have been the funniest thing. I've ever seen on NFL popular. You just don't seem that and you could see it coming for fifteen yards. The rest of the clip I said I'm sorry. But I saw coming from fifteen yards he got out over his skis which I thought was the best way to describe it. You're you're supposed to use words but no matter what the words were. They weren't going to capture the moment and that's why when you say. I just laughed you were we were laughing with you at the time so I wouldn't feel bad about it. I. Think if you're GONNA describe something. You described it perfectly by just laughing. Yet. It's kind of like on social media and text messages like emojis are better a lot of times that any words you can put you know tears or shrug or whatever I guess. That's what the laughing was. I'm getting a Lotta people texting me in tweets at Ross, Tucker NFL about it I gotta be honesty Dan I. Am just very happy that the giants scored a touchdown on that drive. Can You I've met Daniel Jones is a good young man can you imagine if the giants lost in the fashion that they lost but the day it had to settle for a field goal on that? I. Mean he already feels bad enough. They lost and he had an old time stumble, but it would have been even worse if they didn't score a touchdown there and the one of the thing I'll point out we confirm this last night that was history last night Dan that was the longest non-scoring run for a quarterback since at least the merger in the NFL, the longest non-scoring run and I saw Ian Rapoport just tweeted that it was the fastest run by a quarterback in a couple of years which are like, wait a minute. How could he be fashioned? Lamar Jackson. But I got to get up to twenty one point five miles per hour and got over his skis. I go back to I. Think Mark Malone Does Mark Malone hold the record Paulie jus remember steeler quarterback Mark Bologne Yeah, I think he had like. Upper eighties low ninety yard touchdown run. In a game I think he might have the longest record. Did you go he? He did I. Think O- Tomorrow Prior started quarterback for the raiders went ninety some against. Okay. Okay. I think prior knocked Mark Malone out of the Record. Price really a quarterback, but he was for a few games for the raiders I gets he gets credit for that and I looked at this in I know January Jones in. We'll laugh this and it's going to stay with the rest of his career. Evan Ingram is the one who should be embarrassed because if he makes that catch that Jones put it right in his hands, they win this game that to me is more embarrassing than what Daniel Jones did Jones is not used to running eighty yards. Evan, Ingraham's at tight in catch the ball you win the game. Well earlier than that Dan there was a blitz Daniel Jones through it to Ingram. It pops right off Ingram's chest and that was the jalen mills. Ingram's are really talented kid. He just can't put it together and Daniel. Joe said that's one right there I'm okay with talking about wins and losses as a quarterback stat, it's not a great stat don't even good. But. I've okay. Mentioning it. But that's one right there Daniel Jones. Did what he had to do he put it right in the basket for Evan Ingram and so here's the thing the Daniel Jones thing Dan that's funny. The Avenue Ingram thing there's nothing funny about that at all. That's just awful for professional tight end to drop that pass. Your West Point today. I am and I'm doing the army game tomorrow. It's my fifth one this year and I have heard you wax poetic about it. Multiple Times I love it. I'm at the Fair Hotel on campus overlooking Buffalo soldier field, which is where the cadets do a lot of their intermural sports. Would you like to see it then? Yes, I would. Ross joining US resume look. And there it is. Oh, look at the fully `age there. I like it and I've stated that hotel and you can walk over to the stadium you walk on campus there. It's a treat. See. That field right there that field I was just showing. Yeah and you know the S for own games typically. It's all cars it's all it's all cars and they're tailgating and and the gate you have to go through the gate to get on on poses you know it's usually backed up from miles Dan. It's been eerie to wake up on Saturday mornings, not a single solitary car. Now, one car trying to get through the gate because they're not allowing fans other than the cadets. I'm just glad to cadets are there because they bring the energy it's been cool to have some energy at the Games Pauling. We're just discussing during the commercial break. Could, can we get in if we go up? Yeah. I. Think you probably could I think you could get a media day pass because there are people that come you guys are media. I. I'm I'm media. paulie would. Be Plus One. I don't think that you would. Think they'd have you sit in the stands, but I, think that they would have a socially distanced spot for you in like the press box or the luxury box I mean come on Day your Dan. Patrick I'm pretty sure. I. Can text the idea if you want me to but it's I texted. Poli tweet a couple weeks ago. He said we were six days away from peak foliage police starting a new company that you just you text them where you are and he'll tell you the. Holy town so I, think I think we might have. Peacful. So check out CBS sports network tomorrow at noon. Thank you, Bud. We, appreciate it pleasure. Grab me. Ross chucker. He'll be on the call army against Mercer. I. DuNNo. Pauley on on what what the weather looks like. But I love West Point fifty nine degrees and cool grasp market. The the when you sit there, mikey stadium at army you sit up high actually step by the banks of the Hudson and the trees are popping out. It's really view is inexperienced wise. Top Five easy. Yes. Not Everybody can do it and get on campus and go to a game. But if you get that opportunity just. Whenever it is obviously not this year but next year it is a wonderful moment it. It's not just see. It's there's no college atmosphere like it because it's west point. And and see if you can take a tour. Because all of the history there you're overlooking the Hudson all of the incredible people who went through there. But I've said it before and I'll continue to set. You never feel more patriotic than when you're there and when those cadets come out and you realize I'm just there to watch a football game. They're there because they're prepared for whatever happens in our world. Yes. Ton I was wondering if army goes up big tomorrow's there a mercer rule. I would have stayed silent the rest of this hour because the mock headlines Did pretty well I guess we just had this dramatic story about how West Point is that didn't really fit but that doesn't stop. You got the Commissioner Baseball and you've got Brady Quinn you got Mike? Florio. Ross Tucker. For Barbara this is I get nervous too stupid questions in the first half hour. You rallied with the mock headlines and then you end the hour I'm going to give you a solid B. minus erotic erotic I. Yeah. They're all over the place. Yes. mclovin his mercer joke is not making me laugh making Mercer Homa Mercer. Mercer. Bears by the way in case you're curious. Thank you. Tom. Brady Quinn he's GonNa join us what's Ohio state apt to do to get into the final four in baseball commissioner in the final hour, stop working to make someone else money become your own boss by joining the team at the cleaning authority. There is never been a bigger demand for cleaning. That's why now is such a good time to get started with A. Solid investment with the national name behind you a model that is fueled by repeat customers and the peace of mind that more than eighty percent of customers are generated from centralized marketing efforts. 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