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Today's opening tipped Wayne ways surprising hawse rookie, Kevin hood her with a jersey swab after the game last night. Now. Wait heard that the youngster wore the number three because of Wade didn't know that he was going to do that. So they gesture right. There's a lot of people in the NBA. When we have more fun than anybody was my point about why Carmelo Anthony should not have signed with a contender this past summer, and look what Vince harder. Thank you. There's other ways to end your career. I'm just saying sober Paul Pierce in Boston over the last game. How awesome that was? Absolutely, right. Absolutely. There's ways to do it. All right. Welcome to the jump. I'm Rachel Nichols. Alongside our NBA insider Brian Windhorst also the host of the hoop collective cast. Paul Pierce future hall of Famer also finals MVP NBA champion, blah, blah, blah. You know, he's coming up has de'andre eight and turned a corner putting up to really impressive defensive numbers of late. We will discuss. But I at the start of this season Las Vegas oddsmakers set the over under on the Lakers. Total number of wins at forty eight and a half the clippers their projection was lower thirteen games, lower just thirty five and a half. And honestly, those odds were as good a snapshot as any of where the two. Franchises seemed to stand at that moment. The Lakers had LeBron James they had Showtime back in the building. They had what was assumed to be the first step in the path back to a championship the clippers had well, forget not having any elite players. The clips didn't even have anyone who had ever been named an all store ever at any point in their career most clippers conversation centered on the two thousand nineteen free agency class and whether they could eventually lower. I Leonard to come save them fast forward to last night when things couldn't be more different. This was literally the opening tip. A look here. Patrick Beverley ceiling jails tap back to barrel to the basket and score five seconds in for the record. Pat is listed at six foot one you can decide for yourself. If you think that's but here he is sitting next to LeBron who is six eight and yet watch this. There is blocking the love to LeBron and getting the clips the turnover which is pretty much its own. Snapshot of where these teams are now. Yes. Clips are still technically the more undermanned club. But yes, they're also the better one they fight harder work smarter and simply like each other more and while the Lakers would make their case at various points during this game. It was the clippers who dominated it's close. Here's a play from the fourth quarter that has been making the rounds all day on social media. The implication being that LeBron is so stationary on defense at his young teammates. Frustrated Kootenai get mad and pushes them towards Dino Gallinari, the truth is, of course, both more and less damning than that take another look who sees with starts to look like mantras herald setting the pick for Gallo coups thinks they're switching Gallo doesn't actually use the screen Herro floats away a bit. So LeBron not switching they run into each other. All of this speaks to how disconnected the Lakers are defensively and just how little communications seems to be going on in general and as the game ended you could hear some booze from Lakers fans, which Beverly had some fun with their and then well here he is brought them back to the locker room. Mm-hmm. I got that about the best. A lot of people don't believe these. Five through. Lot. Don't. Meanwhile, the Lakers locker room is like a funeral. Haven't technically been eliminated from the playoffs yet. But they might as well be and it's hard to underplay. What disaster this is for both LeBron and the franchise no, this was never gonna be a championship year. But it was also definitely not supposed to be a year that tore apart team chemistry angered fans and distant franchise. Young core. It was not supposed to spark reports that Luke Walton is about to be fired. It was not supposed to completely waste a year LeBron's career as I've said many times LeBron is a diminishing asset that that's just by definition. The Lakers got him at a time in his life. Whereas each year passes, he is going to be slightly less athletic less healthy less exceptional that is just how aging works and so two waste not just eight year of having one of the best players to ever pick up a basketball on your roster. But this year is criminal and LeBron bears responsibility for that as much. As anyone else? Really everyone involved in this whole mess has their hands dirty and trying to parse blame MRs just how ugly the entire snapshot has become as Vegas. Well, ESPN's Ben FOX reported the other day that if the west gate lot they is super book more than eighty three percent of the money that had come in over the season was betting on the Lakers making the playoffs. So it can pretty good. The casino will get to keep that cash, which I guess they'll need after all they got to pay out on the clippers. So paul. I it looks like we will have a lot more time to talk about the clippers over the next month. Or so let's talk about the Lakers. I what do you think they do? Now. After seeing what happened with them last night up about their paths to the playoffs was pretty slim a week ago. And I just said I hate seeing LeBron like this. You know, there's so much pressure on him so perform each and every night, and at this age, you need more help, you know, as you get older the more help you need all better all star players. So are recommended shut them down. And is there shut down. I know he wants to play come out and said he wants to play. I mean by saying not completely by give them a minute restriction. You know, lessen the wear and tear on him as they move forward. Because it's not about this year as we see currently it's about the next three years that you have the Brown. I think do we have the old clip producer, Danny? This is more than a week ago. Paul called it. I don't know. Lebron do why did no seriously. I mean, he's getting older he has to do too much for them to win. I mean, just looking he puts out a triple double. And they can't win. I mean this imagine if he really goes out, and it really exerts himself and has to go from four season. Now, I mean, this was a wash coming into it. They weren't contending. And when you're LeBron James on they weren't considering from the jump. Okay. So really that was still when they could have beaten teams like I think the pelicans the grizzlies the sons. It was written on the wall that this team. It was a small chance they make the playoffs. He's right. They really weren't a contender from the start. But they certainly were expected to make the playoffs now, by the way Vegas. You can't make a bet on the the playoffs because they pulled it down. Eighty three homes. Don't want any any more action this morning when the Lakers woke up they had to look at the backwards part of the standings instead of the forward part of the standings. They're only three and a half games out of the number seven pick. There's five and a half games without the tiebreaker out of the last playoff spot is elementary. Honestly, at this point, the problem Paul is that the league set a precedent here with fellow clutch sports, you know, member Anthony Davis k have to play LeBron is under the league rules. But what I think is gonna end up happening here. This is going to get really ugly because once a Bose hurt always getting closer coming back. But he's out coups must having an MRI to rush. Lonzo ball back. Absolutely not. I would be surprised if he plays even for a couple more weeks who's MAs having memorized today. Josh heart has been dealing with sore knee all season he was laboring last night. Brandon Ingram is now hurt. Stevenson is hurt the broads could be only healthy guy and he's going to be under pressure by the league to play. So unless there's a injury and close rods going to have to play he may be playing with teams the team. That's maybe the worst news ever played with that. Well, here is the exact quote, you saw it on the bottom. They are last night. He said it would take a lot of convincing from Luke on up unless I'm hurt. I am not sitting games. He said that conversation hasn't occurred. But I'm sure it can happen soon. I believe you said that to our day mcmanamon, and it's interesting, Brian what you note about the percentages. And where they are. Now as you said it is extremely unlikely. They really have a path to the playoffs. It's not just is that they lost last night. They lost the clippers. So they lose. Now. They're tiebreaker two to one I it's gonna be very hard to see them overtake that. So then you look at the lottery picks right now where they're sitting in the lottery, they have a four point seven percent chance of ending up in the top four. Right. So getting one of those top four picks. But remember the? Lottery ads flatten and it's really encouraged that race to the middle of the lottery group. Right. So if they lose just three and a half more games in sort of game that on Washington as you mentioned. I just want to give you the numbers for where that seven pick is. Very important. I'm listening very close eighth. Thirty two percent chance of getting the top four so going from four and a half percent to thirty two percent of ending up in the top four which would get you maybe top four draft pick for yourself. Or maybe another trade peace to offer the pelicans or someone else may be Washington for Bradley Beal someone else you wanted to. Talks for Davis. Get your hands on the number four pick. And I realize it's a little bit insane that it is March fifth and the Lakers are already done, and we're not talking about the Lakers in the lottery. But this is where we are. And they can't sit around and be said, well, that's the issue is that they have to make an organizational decision about what they wanna do. You just mentioned their injuries. They really can't afford another week of g let's see what happens or we're not coming with the fact that we're probably not going to make it. I believe they now have a less than a one percent chance projection of making the playoffs. So if they decide okay, we can see the writing on the wall, and they really do sort of not put their best foot forward. Right. They could end up with a thirty percent chance at a top four pick. It's it's better than Tom percents. Alex Ramona Shelburne wrote a really good piece on the Lakers. Her quote was while the failures can't replace on any one person James Johnson and general manager rob Lincoln have to answer for a lot of it. Head coach Luke Walton could lose his job over it. Mark Stein already reported the day earlier that Luke's face appears to be all, but steeled he said the expectation was that Luke would be fired by the end of the season all around coaching circles. Do you think fall that Luke has a chance to save his job here? Alex. Because usually when you bring in new GM Alah Magic Johnson bringing rob Pelinka. This happens all across the league. You know, they want to set their own coaches, you know, they want to build their foundations moving forward. It has nothing to do in Luke. I think the only thing that would have saved Luke after this year if they had a won a championship. But that was unrealistic that way Brighton or maybe a beep playoff round, but whenever teams change in management. This usually happens happens in Boston when I had coach O'Brien daddy age comes in plays. It out fires in the next year, you know, dot coms. So happens all across the league nothing against loop. But you know, they like to put their imprint on what they feel like is best for them moving forward as a gentleman you've already got guys for a while. Now who are candidates or positioning behind the scenes because it's an attractive job for a number of positioning. Are you hearing and seeing? I'll just say that this. There's a lot of people who can take blame for how this happened. It's not any one person's fault. Lebron can take blame what have with Anthony Davis is part of the blame. My Johnson can tape playing. Rob Lincoln contained plane the other players that team can tape blame. But the person who always pays I as a coach. So that's what's that's almost certainly what's going to happen. And we've actually known that for a while. I think even if the Lakers squeezed into eighth, I think he probably was still facing. Did you catch that how I tried to make him say that he wasn't having it? I there has been a groundswell from the fans in Los Angeles. And we've heard people calling in to talk radio. It's obviously not a source reporting. But they're kind of clamoring for hey could Doc Rivers come over from the clippers. And maybe he would be the experience hand, you know, doc, very well. But something he would even be interested in or do you think he likes his job possibly coaching out? Comes this summer right now. You know, they have a great relationship. But like, you know, when it's was about fire. Luke, you know, you have to think like who's out there Lord of candidates, especially even going into the summer. I mean, we've heard time Lou we've heard Jason Kidd. But like who's going to be that match with LeBron because that's a difficult decision to make you know, it's not anybody that you can put in that place to coach LeBron moving forward is LeBron has said, or at least it's been hinted that he really is. He's never played for an elite coach. Now, I would argue that expulsions at elite coach, but that has been whispered that that can say that maybe Eric's bolster became an elite code at the same time. Lebron was winning titles. He's never it. You know, and is doc in elite coach. But absolutely that would be the most elite coach he's ever played for that said, whether it's dockers somebody else getting someone to take this job under these circumstances is going to be difficult, especially if they don't have a clear path to another superstar. So this is it's not. Going to be just firing. Luke is not the beginning. Who are you replacing him with? I mean, I know our Jeff Van Gundy has talked about wanting to return to coaching. I there's going to be a lot of names you're going to hear over the next couple of months is the Andre eight and starting to prove why he was taken number on overall. Even above Luca Danni Jin trae young we will discuss that next. But first skill district replay act nineteen Ninety-three featuring grandma. Oh. No. This was early in his career drunk Slovan. Short. Can you really? Skinny Larry Johnson. But he was allowed thinner. Larry. He's just trying to play defense. Cliff? The jump is brought to you by Popeye's five dollars, southern butterfly shrimp with h cries and a biscuit. Miss is a maker mislead. Nice to see co I smile and make river tomorrow Carol hits the wing, right? Well, when read them the nets Benjamin Lewis. Dance. Rain back ruling. Right. Michael flatley? Go there. Oh, the quotas teams in the league the watch lot. You know, nice told into the Brooklyn nets that is a former net. Speaking speaking for the cars, I think they're in with right now. Struggle a little bit. Relentless bet. Nuts highlight, boom, staying in Brooklyn. Joe Harrah's literally drives laps Joe Harris, his ankles, Steph curry and the three point contest Chrysler Dodge. We'll come. Crossover the process don't you disperse Joe Harrison's compliments it did. He cross anywhere. It'll be couch. Rachel shoes. It's like, I'm just gonna go this way. All we keep seeing this man come on. But these Tucker cross you breaking down. Ouch. Does plenty of good things that may aggravate. Kyle korver. Join me charge and then watch Donovan Mitchell perfectly sinked up with the row. We haven't seen as much criticized this year. Right. So little role of the best. So far there's not as much, but this is the some good stuff so far this year. Oh, that's basically. This basketball. Music choices. This is very happy. Rose. Can't bays. More hitting the free throws to bring the hawks within one with nine seconds left. And then watch the heat look. Okay. Just playing this is where the steel fell game goes roaring. Mrs were lose the steel founding home. Oh, my God nine second foul. That's like Kevin heard. It was so upset when Wade came over because they didn't get a found that's bad team. Stay back. Speaking may highlights we got some highlights 'twas night. Let's DM Rashawn homes rec-, so. Cherry picking. Whoa. That's nice. His highlight tickle tickle. So they actually let him play in the game. Tall were twenty two. All right. What do you want one nothing? That's. Because even the. Fox with no offense for Sean was cherry thing. He did it off the one step though. Okay. So you need a rival respect at running start. I don't know one step two step one for two. But I don't know how to make a little baby. Yeah. Of course. But that doesn't matter. He didn't do the. Now, you couldn't even do that on a eight foot hoop yesterday. We talked about the sun's front office issues just goes people. If you have read candidates Kevin arnovitz is articles start with the ghost. However, they have pulled off a couple of impressive back to back wins cutter. They'd be the Lakers. And then last night they beat the books for the second time this season. Mulkey has some injuries but still de'andre nineteen points, twelve rebounds. His defense, though, Paul would really sharp regarded you on us twenty seven possessions, most of any sons player and look at that quite effective. Obviously this was one of the knocks on him coming in. We heard Joel Embiid during training camp on our show pick it Andre Aden's defense. But his he is he starting to round into the more of the kind of player that says, oh, yeah. That's a number one. All year long. Just the signs of been so bad. We haven't paid attention to them. But he has all the tools, you know. I I compare him to like a young David Robinson. Yes. Speed. He's at letting you know, he's that type of player, you know. So and I liked the way he's showing it lately. So we haven't talked about him, but he's been steady as a rock all year long, consistently getting double doubles. And I'm I'm glad we're giving them some prior. We could redraft right now this draft class would take Donncha church one. Right. Sam of us said. Luca data should have been taken where would eight and go with trae young has he been good enough to move up. A lot of people like Marvin Bagley. We where would you take eight? And if you were redrafted now, how would it still took them at the number one pick you like, you you need a solid big man initially, you know, but you also need great guard play even with the way the game has evolved. Still taking that time. Big number one hookah. Don is spur. Sure. Number one here today. Yeah. He's a difference. I think you know eight and when you watch them early in the season, you could tell he was having a learning curve. You can't really sensitive learning is good. Because people also in a learning curve if you have a rookie who's playing better in March than they were in November. That's good. That means it's proven that means that he is working and studying I'm just saying there's no way to have possibly known that Luke adoption would be good in a pro league or like Scott was at their general managers. They just weren't all getting through. Just there's there's no way. There was no there was no examples really of him playing good. Good draft Marvin bad playing really good too. I know I need to stop after the break. We're going to discuss if making the playoffs is worth losing a draft pick because that is what is in front of the clippers right now there are really strong arguments on both sides. So keep a lot. The south the two Lakers highlight this week to NBA Saturday primetime game are covered with NBA countdown. Eight o'clock eastern ABC can always watch on the app. See other looking at each other on that promo. They're all they're all happy. I think they're going to be looking at each other in that game on Saturday night. Welcome back to the jump the clippers game into the staple center is the road team last night, but they beat the Lakers for their third straight win. Now. Listen to how the clippers draft pick sans. It's a lottery protected for this season. And next season. You might think, hey, they'd want to keep that pick this year. That's certainly what we all thought when they traded Tobias Harris. We're like, okay, they're gonna let themselves fall out of playoffs eating that. Would they pick? It doesn't convey to Boston right now. But but they keep winning. See bomber reportedly does want them to make the playoffs. I asked him the clippers guys about this. Last night, doc said to meet, hey, we're going to have to convey, that's the that's the graphic. We isn't the hot time cannon. And a great Jerry West. I mean like I asked doc about this last night. And he was like we're going to have to convey the pick. Anyway might as well be this year. There is some value and putting it off if for some reason they didn't make the playoffs again next year, then the your after that it becomes a second round pick. But I I don't know. Clippers are banking on free agency. You know, they don't care about a pig move before and bombers lows basketball. He wants more basketball in the postseason on those times franchises make a business decision. But this team is way ahead of the learning curve. Nobody expected them to be in this spot now. And so they're like look to you up and coming free agents, we're not that far off of weaken superstar to we could be contending next year. And I think that's what the clippers were trying to show in certain situations. Rachel, I would think that it would be good idea to to get this pick this year. But for the clippers situation where they already have plus picks. They've already traded for a few first round picks. Plus they would have a couple of really good young players. Shay gives us Alexandra Landry Shamet who's looking really good sense to trade. Also, they are they are pitching themselves to free agents. So it is better for them to have made the playoffs. He Looper short period of time. So their particular set of circumstances and Paul is right. Bomber does not like to lose. It makes sense for them to go. For it. I'm plus there's not that big of a deal between maybe picking fourteenth. And maybe picking sixteenth where they're gonna pick. There is a chance of I guess moving up, but an asset, and it's also an asset in the hands of the loaded with assets Michael winger, I mean, I've often said a pick is not the same value for everybody right for every team. There's some teams that have a terrible record of making graphics and also not a very good player development record. So give those picks away because they're more valuable to someone else. Maybe get players back for them with this front office. I think this front office is so good that a pick and their hands. I think is particularly valuable, but I do understand each side. You're absolutely right. But there is are on those free agent fries. Baby. Speaking of the team that that picked would go to Boston. Let's go to carry Irving he voiced his displeasure yesterday with the media coverage that surrounds him and the price that comes with being an elite basketball player, take listen. Nothing really come into his game to be Carrozza my face, you know, be famous celebrity wherever embodies that. So it's a little hard for me. You know, one of those things when I was younger. But now at this point in my career, I just wanna play basketball very very high level talking to other day about how happy in day players are especially now. Just a scrutiny exploitation that we go Joe everything being judged. You understand Carey's frustration there? Bryan assure vacuum. I agree with it. Maybe that's not what he wants to be. But the problem is I have to look at his actions, but he has made a movie, and he has a signature shoe deal. And he has a alternate ego that he puts himself out there with and he wants to go be with the team where he can be the number one star. These actions are not somebody who wants to hide from celebrity and only play basketball. So the difficulty with Kyrie here. Really for me is I'm just gonna try to focus on kyri the basketball player because kyri the character off the floor is all over the place, and it changes every day, and I have covered him on a day-to-day basis. And it's always been like this. It's just more high profile now, Kyrie Irving is a breathtaking player. I think we've all forgotten. How mazing he is as a postseason player. Kyrie Irving time is coming. So I would say I take a personal promise. I self to focus on player not worry about what he says. Because it's very it's getting very difficult. He's frustrated because now he's been thrust into leadership role. And now everything you want what you want it. You know? So you can't tell me. There's more media coverage on him now than it was when he was wanting the Broncos years being in the finals every year. So, you know, now, he's the lead guy. It's like everything's directed toward him. He's getting a feeling of well LeBron's Bill with all his career. But this is what he asked for. And if this is not what you want it or manager giving a taste of what you want it. You don't want it anymore? I don't know what to tell you. Because this is what comes with it. But I would say if he asks again tomorrow to get a different answer. I mean, this is comes probably you were the most high profile player in Boston with this Boston Celtics media. Is it more taxing? What is it? Laden LA you played more taxes than plan with LeBron James. I can tell you that no matter where LeBron James is. Now, the rumors ahead going to New York. If you think Boston something if you think about going to the Knicks what you think that's going to be. It's that's on steroids. So we'll see how this plays out. I think people forgotten two years ago. The last time you played in the playoffs. He was part of the Cavs team. That was awesome. They went twelve and one in the east playoffs. They ran into a buzzsaw on the finals. He was a big part of that to the year before that they won the championship with Kyrie shot. The last two times this guy has been the playoffs. He's been absolute nails. And I'm expecting it to happen again. And I think once that happens, we'll forget about all this flat earth. I want to be a celebrity three four dancers I want. My I want my jersey in the rafters. I'm gonna ask July, first whatever's going to happen tomorrow is interview we'll forget all that. And we'll watch how great he is in a postseason setting. That's what I'm hoping for two too. It's it's too. Movies. It's one movie he's already made their second movie that they just announced like a month ago that he's going to make. So he's got another one coming down the pike one person feels the same way. Brian does about the Celtics. Kevin durant? Here's what he said about Boston who the warriors face tonight. Still get used to each other. Getting Gordon Hayward back. Harry back, and you know, another year experience with a guy that been through the playoffs. So it's going to be some ups and downs. So the season. This the nature of the game. We'll take more than just a half a year a whole year to figure it out. You can't separate it losing a couple of games. But I mean, they still got phone of got the top talent some of the top talent on that team. So they'll be fine once club star. Sure agree. You'll be filing a playoff stars. Because if you're not a proven championship team like the worst that you can't just turn it on. When you get the playoffs usually you Bill habits throughout the regular seasons. And those had is showing the playoffs, and they haven't been able to portray great habits. And so it's hard for me to say it'll be fine. Once the playoffs comes because they've been very inconsistent. What they're trying to do the playoffs. If they. Each other. And I think that's that's their big thing. Everybody doesn't have to like each other. You may have one or two guys. But that really doesn't matter. I mean, you people warm their clicks. You know, these guys hang out with these guys these guys, and I it's not necessarily. I don't like you. You know, you have to have a working relationship though. I think if I were the war warriors fear. Nobody right. They only really can stop themselves or if there's like an outside influence, but I think if you if you could get an honest answer from the warriors, they would prefer not to see the self talked about it. Right. I mean, Klay Thompson come out and said he thinks Boston sort of their main challenger coming from that side of the fence. You know, it's funny. There was all that chatter after the all star games a video of K D And Kyrie in the hallway. And then the pictures -posedly of them in a restaurant in Miami. I carry reacting to that. There was a lot of back and forth about that. I thought the part that everyone missed in. Kyrie's reaction is he said, I don't understand waivers making a big deal. That's just me with one of my best friends. And I knew that they were friendly. I don't. I knew that they were one of kyri would say one of my best friends so D coming out and saying that could also be him supporting his die, which is admirable about the it's not impossible for the Celtics to get their hands on Kevin Durant. This off season. I know that everybody's assuming game horse. You just backed off being controversial in the last thing you go again. Let's sing I think it's gonna happen. I'm just saying it's not impossible. Okay. So laid out for me. Well, they have the asset citrate for it that he Davis. Kevin Durant is of he can be signed and traded. There's no, you know, they could work out a deal. Remember that the team the fish and the second place when the he saw with the warriors was Boston. So people look at Kyrie and K D. I think they automatically assume it's just going to be New York. There's other teams out there that can do at Boston. Heck other teams have Boston would trade for Anthony Davis. And then trade him saying warriors for signing for K. No. I'm saying that the Celtics have assets L, okay, they can trade for Davis. But they could also theory if Kevin Durant wanted to play their sign and trade, I'm just saying don't just assume because because K D And Kyrie have a relationship that they only would want to potentially play together in New York. And here we have Kevin praising the Celtics coming up Dangelo. Russell. You sim colorful language to describe this chances at most improved player. Find out what he said if the guys here agree when we get back. I oh, here's with a jump recommends for today in the world of e sports the NBA two K league draft. It's today. Five o'clock eastern on the NBA's twits channel Adam silver showed up to announce the number one pick last year. So you never know what's going to happen. Tune in. I'm fail tonight on fourth and our dukes deciding factors behind science status for tonight's game. Had a giant sufficient to not franchise. Landon Collins changes the phrase into landscape, and this puts of look at how y'all feel weeks personalities and power are fitting in with a new team sport center, sixty seventy Gandhi after PTI. The israel. Russell asked by S N Y about his chances of winning the most improved player award the seasons. He responded with quote, I'm gonna win that thing bleep. Yeah. Whatever you want to say watch put it on record. I'm going to win it. So pulled there's stiff competition I'm gonna make you say the name. Well, it's on the screen so kind of cheating, but tell me the name of the guy who you think is gonna win. Oh. Siaka Aaron go. He did it. Thank you. I'm clapping because Pasco Siaka likely deductions for Brian name. With the truth. The beer. Yes. Like seriously. They don't talk about he's been really good for the clippers. I mean, I know we've got these guys they got they made they step, but I feel like he's the heart and soul of that's driving this clippers team to the playoffs. He's been gay all year. He and Lou Williams are both candidates for six men. So I want to Paul George here. Paul George is a legitimate candidate for MVP defensive player of the year and most improved. I don't know if he's going to win any of them. But that just says what kind of seasons having and I don't think that I think you're gonna have most improved. It doesn't have to be just like CRM who goes from like sort of role to to star. And I also would put Derrick rose in the conversation. I don't think he's winning. He's missed a lot of games. But just because he was an MVP doesn't mean that he hasn't massively improved. I think it's an again, I actually think the Angela Russell has a strong case to I think it's actually a very fascinating all every year. It's a very interesting category. I think it's a fascinating one that she so bonus needs to be in there. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of guys who are not even talking about. But I I would think that does probably have one of the best the leader in the clubhouse. But guess what? They're still what eighteen twenty games to go and the synthesis a close race. We will see what happens toward the end of the. Season saga about the maverick because they are sitting on a top five protective pick, which means they have every visit tank and tank hard. But last night in Brooklyn, take our doesn't cover it. They were blown out by thirty nine points. Head coach Rick Lyra Rick Carlisle really unhappy it was ugly from start to finish. When you lose every quarter of an NBA game. You certainly haven't done what you need to do. So it's the very disappointing night. We've simply got to get better Brian. This is a question you, and I have talked about off camera for what month. Now are the Mavericks actually trying to tank or not do they want to keep that pick? It his top five protected or do they want to just they've been saying publicly that they wanted to get it out the door. You have it out the door this year and then have their pick for the funding season. What do you think is really going on? Are they imitate wars? To what they say and pay more attention to what they do. Okay. And you know, they have reasons for all what they've doing by think that they're low key tanking. And by the way, I don't blame wasn't low key last night. Well recall that was negative mood by forty you'd rather lose by five. But as you mentioned earlier, if you get up to seven or eight you have about a one in three chance of getting into the top four now so much is focused on getting that number one pip. What's the percentages? But this year for this team get into the top floor would be massive. It's a difference between keeping your pick. And not. And this whole thing's going on. There's a side little wager with the hawks the hawks at one hand are happy because I think if they had kept their foot on the gas and kept Harrison Barnes, maybe they could have finished eleventh or twelfth pick. Right. But now the hawks pick is is improving that they're going to get right yet. The chances of them losing that are increasing. Right. So the hawks are like in this is wow. This could be we could have two top seven pick. We could have only one. And then again, it would it doesn't. Bay. But it would convey later and the each year you push it off it gets. They didn't play porzingus which maybe porzingas couldn't play. Maybe they you know, they traded Harrison Barnes. Maybe they did that to get cap space. I mean, the moves that they've made are you can't say they're taking move that said they are resulting in them going backwards in the standings significantly when that's what they're supposed to do to get this pick. What do you think? Call or? Or they just they're not a good team right now. You gotta really DJ y'all. Jay, Jordan Harrison Barnes. They're going to build around Luca dockage that's playing the simple. So they're they're not a very good team. Once they let go of all these assets. So Dennis Smith junior to name another way, they some quality guys on the team that they could have really made a playoff push in the west, but they saw the development of Lucan dockage. And they're like we're moving forward. This. We made a trade for Porzingis. We're going to sit porzingas right now. We're not going to be a very rough to lose. Yeah. We're gonna lose. And everything's gonna work out. Why him while he develops worked out? His maybe getting the top four pick. Yes. Absolutely. Obviously that would change. I was told that the Porzingis camp went to them and said, okay, sure. And I'm not saying that I'm just saying this, you know. We'll see what happens there. And I know they're excited about that parent for years to come coming up are the funder meeting or exceeding expectations this season we'll discuss but first here's our second replay. This one's from two thousand eight featuring regime, Rondo and he's not passing this Paul Pierce something to look at your old teammate from your old team. Because the last time I see. Chris bombs, some studs. He passed out revival in Chris Bosh, fellas. The last one gusts case in Mexico, Doc Rivers tend to John Rondo and Pat Beverley, I've got another Hugh. Said. Hanging out with Pablo here too. A few minutes to discuss where they Anthony Davis to swipe left on the Lakers who should take the blame for the Celtics struggles. If the rate is trying to make quarterback Chang Antonio Brown's new hobby. Stay tuned. That out on the swipe left Joe Fisk weeks and may Wednesday Deborah header starts with Sixers full at eight o'clock, Mr. and then is often the staple center for Lakers nuggets. Our coverage begins with what Paul? Countdown eighty seven o'clock eastern ESPN and the all alright it's crunch time on the fourth quarter minutes or technically a fraction of a second. After sitting the entire fourth quarter. Anthony Davis was sent in by Alvin gentry for the final point nine seconds of this game against the jazz to guard. The inbounds pass pelicans one is this Alvin. Impact on the game in just less than all this as Tipton always handwriting. Also shows you that would get your wants to win Dan trae stumbled over his words a little bit when he met the media after this game. And it turns out he was celebrating the win. 'cause he reportedly said you guys have to excuse me. I've had a couple of beers. Alvin no one deserves a drink more this year that house Utah. Woo no easy. Buckets. Wayne Wade passing Michael Jordan for the most blocks by a guard weighed now has one thousand fifty two blocks all time including the playoffs this way get enough credit for his defense. How many those world Paul Pierce his competitive spirit? I mean, this is amazing like seriously for guard to be like one of the best shot blockers amiss amaze. It was debated. Behind you on some of those elbow Jones. Sure. Yes. Very crafty on both sides of the ball, one of the greatest shockers of all time. Not discard. He's on the list of the player, but on the list. Sayer VP. Don't you think plus that on the list if you had to put the top ten guys to never win MVP were the best? MVP games. Yep. The NBA has announced the raptors and rockets will play two preseason games in Japan. Twenty nineteen the NBA hasn't played in Japan since two thousand three but remember the twenty twenty Olympics aren't toting. You paul? China already. Here's what the to do. They need to go on this trip with a rockets because on the way the rockets are going to Hawaii to play the clippers for training camp. Mostly we met to the Japan jumped just do the Hawaii leg. Oh. China. Dan. I'm I'm with you. I cover the Knockin Olympics that was my first film ever covered. All right Zion. Update. Let's go signed Williamson has just been ruled out for tonight again forest. This will be his fourth straight miss game. Starting to ask do you think he will ever play again for Duke we asked after this injury? Should he now we're wondering maybe it's not even going to be question. This is a business decision. Breast up. He'll and get ready for that big Nike deal or deal that aside. Put a draft simple and plain you've August by the number one spot because you've sort spot play. You're gonna get your money in the pick. Anyway. Oh, by the way, being sued by any outside. I read today. Oh, really? Well, that's an interesting combination. There's big game up in Toronto. Tonight. The rackets come into town. Now Houston has a five game winning streak. Paul. Do you think the rockets will keep that one St. design against the law must wealth? There's a whole especially of Kawhi plays. I love the dishes Nate made with bringing the solve bringing Jeremy Lin this team is prime for a deep playoff run. And they could possibly be up in the finals rockets are playing great. But I think the raptors are gonna win this coming off. It's tough loss in Detroit and co is totally bass, right. And you should be back. All right. Let's switch to our league past game of the night. Thunder timber wolves the eight o'clock eastern now Oklahoma City coming off a win over the grizzlies on Sunday, which they really needed Jack about yesterday because it snapped a four game losing streak. The thunder are currently third in the west. So. Are they meeting expectations five holding the spot or the seething expectations? Because they're the only team in the west outside the Golden State Warriors that teacher not to all stars. But to superstars two guys are arguably MVP candidates. So they're right would need to be in order to win in this league and go deep into the playoffs and win it all you need superstars, and they have to they've really were hoping to get onto the Roberson back this season. You can eat is a big extends. I know. It's been just terrible that injury with considering that they haven't had him. And yet they've still been able to and also Westbrook hasn't had the greatest here. But he's found other ways to contribute. Triple not having you know what not having a good year offense. Oh, what do you do out here? You have. He's just averaging a triple double. But he's by his standards. He is not having to go shoot. I would say that the year. He first averaged a triple double on the year. He won MVP one of the things that was so impressive about that. Wasn't just the numbers. Oh my God. He's notching these double digits in categories. It was the way he impacted each game with his triple doubles. And then when he had a triple double the thunder almost overwhelmingly won his triple doubles this year are not coinciding with those winds in the same correlating way. So to me, a triple double just in and of itself isn't like oh my God. Those numbers are so valuable if it takes from nine to ten, but it's what impact they make on the game. And he's not impacting the game in quite the same way. But he is enabling Paul George. You have an embassy conversation us over. Over the Paul, George and Paul is taking those caves and driving the bus thinks things are working. All right. This just an at the magic coach Steve Clifford saying yesterday afternoon, he doesn't expect Mark helpful to join the team on the court this season of pulse within the last hour has tweeted this. I don't know what quit we're give up is guys. Is this a ready? Are we already seeing a split between Foltz and the magic coach comes out and says, yeah, he won't play this year. Says this I don't know what he's talking about. All I know is that at his doctor's direction. He said he was out four to six weeks that has been months ago. Months ago. I'm still trying to figure out what's injured, but some say older is I don't know buying notice. What is he giving up because of his giving up because the magic shut him down. Or is he giving what does he fighting off is he fighting off the shoulder injury? Because he I need more context. Well, you could just be saying, hey, this isn't gonna get me down. I'm not going to quit. I'll be back next season. You don't know. But considering we most of his career with the Sixers play out in the series of back and forth in the team says one thing and then Marquel or trainer or cements associated with or is agents is another thing. And then there's a tweet, and then there's a video I it's sort of an agreement. He actually because all of this stuff is being said surrounding you know, him being the number one pay or even being a bus. I'm pulling for this kid to come back and come back strong improved people that he can play in this league. Because I still believe he can play. I think if you talk to people around the league they want him to succeed. I think that's why there's still so much interest in him. They want to see this story turnaround. Thanks to these guys for joining me. It's high noon somewhere. It's happy hour somewhere.
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Lucy Wainwright Roche on Parenthood
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I had a great great pleasure of sitting down for Wainwright family part to if you remember correctly, I interviewed and had a conversation with Loudon Wainwright, the third about Tokyo story and his daughter Lucy came in today and Lucy, and I if you follow stuff, you should know, then, you know, Lucy played Jerry on the stuff, you should not show quite a task to play the unknown, Jerry and Lucy's grade. She's just one of my dear friends who I don't see often enough. But every time we see each other is just wonderful. She such a just sweet lovely wonderful, endearing kind human soul one of the greats walking around planet of everybody and not only that everybody. But she is a great singer and songwriter as she likes to. Joke and loud like the joke. It's the family business when you are Wainwright and Lucy is actually a Wayne right Roach. Because her mom says he Roach is a singer and had a group with her sisters, a three part harmony group called the roaches in the eighties. That was really really great and sort of under under sung in my opinion. Tight tight. Great three part harmonies and just comes from a really talented family of Rufus and Martha in Loudon and says he and the whole gang and Lucy's really good. She has a new album out called little beast. And as you will learn in this episode Lucy, although she's very sweet and kind person has a a an undercurrent of sadness, the just sort of courses through her body, and she pours that out enter music and right? Some some really great sad lovely songs in just has the voice of angel. And so telling it, so check out little beast for sure and go see Lucy and a town near you. Because she's always on the road everybody with her her great dog. Maybe who we talk about. And here we go. She picked parenthood, which is an a favorite of many, many people the great great, Ron Howard comedy drama. I guess you would say from nineteen eighty nine starring Steve Martin Jason Robards and Diane waste and just a whole host Canada Reeves and Martha Plumpton and just young walking Phoenix is just loaded. Tom Halse, good Lord. What a cast in this movie. And it was a lot of fun going back and rewatching that as an adult and as apparent because it's been many years in it kinda took on new meaning for me. So we had a great talk about parenthood and about growing up in as Wainwright and Roach, and what that's all about. And so here we go with Lucy, Wainwright Roach on parenthood. Listen to. Now much. I. Nothing. I was just in the orc. Yeah. But I mean, I came home on Wednesday. You were I think. And I interviewed Peter mcnerney. Uh-huh. Oh my gosh. She's the best. Yeah. We did Hedwig and the angry inch was his. So I've got to see that again. I love him. I I've seen I I seen. Julie I rewrote that script which you should read. Oh, yeah. I'd like to read it. And I saw Julie. Haven't seen anybody else. No, no Caitlin appearances. No. Although I met someone who knows her, but I've never seen her since she like came to my house for the Super Bowl. About macaroni count her. How's the relation her? I think husband's sister. Maybe a her sister-in-law listens to this show. Oh, cool. Because I was there's a lot of like Facebook interaction stuff for the show, and I saw bits agai. And of course, you know. Yeah. And it was like are you or she may have even told me I or whatever that Caitlyn on what she's up to that. Or maybe she's married. I think she's married to Caitlyn's husband's brother. Okay. So it's another kind of law. Yeah. I have never seen her again. Yeah. That's you're on Facebook. That's the only way and then nothing nothing. Really Chad still. Yeah, he's great. He's like one of my broad. So I mean, we're both really busy. So it's not a lot. Yeah. But I saw him the other day on oh, we do this thing called porch fest every year in the neighborhood. It's a music there's like two hundred porches and our neighborhood with two hundred bands. And then they're slotted different hours all day long and people just walk around in the south music. So his daughter is sixteen now grace, and she played her very first gig fed so cool with her. She's the lead singer. That's so awesome. They did like Rolling Stones and Fleetwood MAC, and so all these I haven't seen him since like, well he's had a third kid. Yeah. Yeah. Really scarlett. How old is she? She's a little older than ruby. I think so close to four. Wow. But we don't they moved from Decatur. Oh, so I don't see them as much which really stinks 'cause I love his whole family. And yeah, it'd be fun. All hang out like that. So great. But I did go by and see gracing. You know, it was you would have loved it. That's pretty awesome. Like all those first gig jitters, and it's like the total high school band, which was kind of fun. That's so cool. Think that high school is doing that at their time makes me feel good. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't get my first thirty eight. Yeah. Yeah. But you saying your whole life, but I will not I was I was. I mostly played with dolls. Most your favorite doll. Oh, all of them. I used to cut them open and two surgeries on them. And then stitch back up, which a friend of mine once in countered them in like a box years later and was alarmed right because stitched up get the horn. So what like I had your dad in here. Which was did you listen to that? By h I listen to it. Yeah. It was kind of cool. Yeah. It's very interesting that he picked like. You picked parenthood which is like the sweetest like family story ever. He picked Tokyo story. It was about this father, basically telling his children like you've all disappointed me. Well, there's some overlap there. I feel like impaired hunt. Sure. And and that, but yeah. That sounds about right. We'll get to parenthood a little bit. I was just kind of thought that was funny. Like the most somber Downer movie of. Have you seen it? No. You should watch it. Sometimes you wanna be thoroughly sad. Okay. Cool. Maybe write a song about it. All right. How's the family that good? They're good. They're all good. My sister's two kids that are big now. Eight hundred four my brothers kid is seven is a son daughter daughter. Okay. But everybody's fine. You know, like kind of the same. Yeah. How's your mom? She's good. We are about to do some shows together with my dad the three of us. Oh, cool next month, and those are always sewer fun. Interesting gearing up for those she's really into rehearsing so we're currently in. Hardcore rehearsing mode as she always been into 'rehearsing. Yes, she's a big rehearse her. I'm a little bit of a like wing. Yeah. Let's just you know, but she's not like that. So when I work with her week, we really lock in and it pays off because you know, we are very together when we play and the roaches just had those tight tight harmonies like that was kind of the thing. I think they started the rehearsing lockdown. You had to be really rehearsed to do three parts of anything. Yeah. For sure we're doing a lot of her sing. And does do all three sing together at any point? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Some will when we do show the three of us, my mom, and I do the first maybe forty five minutes, then he comes out and does forty five minutes than than we do on a gather. Yeah. And then you come back out and do some more. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And I always say that. Well, I don't always say this. But I say in my head say it in my heart. That used to be a elementary school teacher. And when you'd have the kids for the first maybe six weeks of school, and you'd be like, okay. Getting to know the kids and then parent teacher conferences, come the parents come in. And you'll be like, oh, right. Right. I understand about the children and the shows are kind of like that for me. Uh-huh. I'm there and both my parents are there. So the audience can see right. Wow. That's super interesting in a weird form of therapy. Probably maybe it's a good way to spend time with your family because you're getting paid right, man. That would make it all easier. We went on a cruise ship all together as a family, and and that I feel is the way to take a cruise is to be paid in. That was a Wainwright family singing. It's a cruise called Qaim. Oh, which is a folk music cruise mostly and actually has a subtitle. It's called KM. Oh, a journey through song. So glad at least, you know, how events took a journey through song together. And Emily Harris was there. Oh, let you Thomson and brandy Carlisle lot of people go, and then they're like three thousand audience members on the boat. Right. Rub elbows. Yeah. But you had already done with the we talked about the train thing that train thing. This is like a a step up because you can't really can't get away 'cause you're in the middle of the ocean. So we raise the stakes and also my sister came which she hadn't been able to come to Alaska. So she came on the boat played. Yep. What about have you ever been on a cruise only then? Yeah. I did one a work crews to did the mex- von cruise which was comedians and performers and I did attributing with Hodgman was good. Well, I had a lot of fun because the people were awesome like Jean Merman and Nick foon in white cynic. And Hodgman and John Rodrick. And like a lot of my pals were there, and we just had a blast. But I can't say that. I would enjoy a cruise other than that. Yeah. I found myself wondering without the music, right? Would you be doing? I mean, those pools gross me out. Yeah. 'cause there's like a thousand people trying to get in them. Yeah. Most of the stuff is grosses me out the food the way I described it was 'cause Emily was what's it like because we're not cruisers. I said it's like someone took a a tall building that was a shopping mall and tipped it on its side and shoved it out to sea. They should really put them at. I was not into it. Imagine like in Alaska cruise might be a little more fun. There was something cool about being out in the open ocean. Like that I had one moment at night like that. We're bunch of us went up to the top deck, and I had never been out to sea. So I was like, well, this is kind of cool. Yeah. Yeah. And that that's the thing about my job that I like that you probably encounter to is like, I probably would never ever ever taken a cruise run, my whole, I know same then I ended up doing it for work. And I'm glad because now I know so much about it. But have so many feelings about it and same thing with other just or even visiting places multiple times if I just had maybe like a two week vacation to choose a place to go. I probably wouldn't go back again. And again to like. Princeton Illinois rise ample. Yeah. Did you just do a show there? I have done a couple, but it's not really the kind of place. You would vacation normally. But I like that you get to go right as it's like cool. Yeah. The world that way. Yeah. We've done some shows like I'm always pushing to do shows in places. We haven't been yet. Like, we always go back to Seattle and Portland in Boston in DC in sort of the cities that are really good for us. But we've been I've been trying to knock off some of the, you know, fly over states as they say, so we went to Lawrence Kansas line love Lawrence kit was rate. It's so good town really reminded me of being an Athens, and like Saint Louis was cool. And have you done Iowa City? No. We haven't been to Iowa. Yeah. Yeah city. That's good one. We just went to Salt Lake City, and they were great. Yeah. Like, they were one of the best crowds. We've ever had that's far as through zero goes. Yeah. And they weren't even drinking even better drive. They must have really liked you then and then we did Salt Lake City. And Phoenix we do like two shows at a time not hard. That's cool. It's not like grueling touring. Yeah. It's good to get off the regular big city. But you drive around. Right. I spend most of my time in the car. Yeah. House maybe she's so good. She here. No, okay. She was here. And I was like man if she didn't bring that dog I flew here. So she she used to fly when I worked with you guys, and she was a teeny tiny, puppy I flew back and forth. But now she's too big. Then you haven't gotten the designation is the the comfort animal or whatever. I may have. But I feel I will you in order to. Okay. Well, I don't know at work. Okay. In order to get a motion service animal in the past. You have to take a psychological test to see if your brew that you'd be well enough, which I've passed passed in which way unwell for sure. Yeah. And then they send you a psychiatrist letter saying you need your dog. So I did that. But I feel too guilty to use it really it just feels. I mean, I I have used it a couple of times like if I'm driving late at night. And I can't find a hotel that allows dogs, but we need a place to stay. I've done it with that. But some people I know have flown with their dogs and stuff, and I would love to do that. But I just feel like if anyone questioned me I would just burst into tears and be like, I'm sorry. I shouldn't be taking my down on the plane, which may. I need the dog. Good doll. Yeah. I mean, people you definitely see people that are clearly sort of taking advantage of that. Yeah. Designation or maybe not. Yeah. I don't want to judge. I don't either. But they certainly look like I just wanted to bring my dog. Yeah. Which I totally get. Yeah. Yeah. I love touring with maybe. She's so good. Yeah. She she. She's very very I got so lucky. Uh-huh. Because she can be left in hotel room without ruining anything. She can be left backstage anywhere. She just she's so exceedingly lazy that she just lies down and does nothing during anything. She's perfect for going on the road. And I could have so easily ended up with a dog who I just couldn't. Yes. She was kinda made to be your little, buddy. Yeah. She's so great for those of you listening Lucy as a dog that she got while she was working on our TV show. And I think one of our warden guestroom the wardrobe purse. Yes, she found this dog like in the parking lot in the parking lot of a I think is there. Something called the big chicken. That's an Atlanta thing. Right. Yeah. Yeah. There's a it's a Kentucky Fried Chicken Marietta that has this giant. It's an old school KFC that has a thirty foot chicken. And it's a bit known as the big chicken where maybe was found. Really? Yeah. In the parking lot by. Yeah. I back there and visit like a little pilgrimage chicken you'd be disappointed. She doesn't remember. I don't think she's so good. She was teeny tiny then shoes. Like, three months old. Yeah. And she was like fifteen pounds now. She's fifty pounds. I remember. There was so much consternation about whether you should keep this dog, and you really had a hard time. And I was just right next to keep the talk. You should keep the dog. 'cause I just wanted to come to set everyday totally. She was so good. She was so teeny tiny and she's still so good. And she. Yeah. I lived in apartment that didn't allow dogs at the time. So I for the first few weeks I had to bring her in out of the apartment in a bag. That's right. So she learned that the bag was like the portal to getting to P. Uh-huh. So if she had to Pete she would go in put her body halfway in the bag like I need to go down stairs. And then I moved. Yes. Now, she's allowed where do you live? Now. You're in Brooklyn still. Yeah. In Clinton hill window. Yeah. We'll tell me about growing up a a Wayne. Right. Well, what was that? Like, it was it was pretty good. Yeah. Nothing. Yeah. It was. Well, I grew up mostly with my mom by myself. And so I was really in the seat of the Roach family a lot with my aunts, and my mom. Yeah. They were touring a lot, and I was touring with them a lot. And so they were kind of my early. Early childhood union apple that I was with most of the time. And then my dad lived in England when I was really little, but then he he came back to the states and. But I would say as a dull tes, oh, we definitely knew each other. Well, as when I was a kid, but as Dulce we've spent a lot more time together than we did when I was a kid, right? So it wasn't like when you're a little kid. It was you in mom and dad and Martha and Rufus all like, you know, every day hanging out. No, it was Martha Rufus were up in Canada with their mom. We have kind of a good setup in the family. It's like everybody has their own mom almost like a younger sister has her own mom, and then I have my own mom, and then Martha Rufus they they had to share your debts, the fulcrum, and it's cool. Because like, you know, that's to get your mom. Yeah. Yeah. Cut my mom. And so, yeah, they were up in Canada with their mom, and I was with my mom in New York. And we all the kids were together for holidays sometimes summers and with my dad, and but my dad, and my mom were very close always throughout my life. So that's great. Hang out a lot. Yeah. That's that's good. I wonder what that's like. They I was never bummed about my parents not being together. I think because like seemed like will this seems good right? Like, I was hanging out with my mom. I like that. And then my dad came around, and we'd all go out to dinner and fine. And no one was stressed out. Really good. Yeah. You grow up in New York, though. Right. Yeah. In Greenwich Village. Wow. The best place in the world is pretty great. Although it's kind of like a fancy mall right now. Like what area like bleaker street used to be pretty interesting? You know, good, Dr stores and. And now it's like all a Mark Jacobs ad really stores that are very very expensive. But John's pizzas still there. What really counts? Yeah. Because that's where I used to go for my birthday parties. And if you are ever in New York, you should go to John's pizza on bleaker street and so good. There's some place in the village. I think it was near the school that you taught at didn't teach over there or maybe went through the same went to couple of schools. That was the best eggrolls. I've ever had was a little Chinese place kind of over near there. I think I wonder where it was. And I will go down there because I mean for me, an egg roll is got to be very specific kind of girl like the big huge dimply wins. Okay. Not the more spring roll types. Right. Right. Right. Like, the little cheap girls. Yeah. The look on your face says, not those. Like the big big daddy girls. Well to take me there. Next time you come to down. I will feel like you're never there when I'm there never there is the problem where does maybe stay when you're gone. She stays with my mom, sometimes or we have sort of patchwork collection of people who take care of her or she comes with me. So she's very she has many different New York City apartments, very malleable, though, she always has been feel this house that house this person that person. That's good. Yeah. And got many mothers. Whereas we all had our own mother. She's got so many mothers. She's just like a can't with all these mothers, no dad's not that. If taken on her full care. She has my stepdad Stewart did you ever meet Stewart think so he and my mom lived together. And she loves him. Maybe stays with them. I feel like your mom's. Old dog has passed. Right. She did. Yeah. Yeah. Friend here that friendy. She for example, could not have gone on the road ever. Yeah. She was every time you get in the car. She just stress breathe. Maybe I'm seems to always be sort of chilling with that one ear up. Yep. So t's Chilin, which means also she won't do anything when you take her to the park. She sits down. Really? Yeah. Looks at other dogs. Like, it's I know you must really like to come here. Does she get along with other dogs? Yeah. She's a little bit on the doggie spectrum perhaps like she she doesn't fight with other dogs. But she's kind of like what dogs in right? They come around her. And they're like, let's plan. She's like, I don't understand what you what you could possibly mean. Our our dog Lucy who passed away longtime ago, pre pre knowing you which is to say that we did not name her dog after you. What I would think Lucy Emily's to say that Lucy's not a dog person. Yeah. Because she was sort of the same way. She like eventually would fight when dogs would corner her. Yeah. But she generally just wasn't like didn't know how to play. Yeah. When the dogs come to smell her. But she sits down. Oh, she's like, no, thanks. That's enough. Thank you. Well, that might be the proper react cat. It's her. It's her right? Isn't it? How did movies in like stuff like that play a part in your early life? Like your dad was acting. And did you ever like go to set? Did you think that was cool or was it just normal? He wasn't in. He really started to be a more movies when I was like in high school in college. And I did go to set when he was he was on the TV show undeclared. Yeah. Yeah. Love that. I went to that set. And that was really cool. That was the first time I've been to a set. And then the next time was probably when we did our show, right? Which was so fun too. But yeah, so he, and my mom was in a movie when I was really little I actually thought about choosing that movie crossing Delancey, your mom was in no way. Yes. She plays. I think I know that Amy Irving Aamir van. Yeah. He likes she's trying to get set up with the pickle man on the Lower East Side, and Amy Irving tries to pawn off the date on her friend. And that's my mom, really. I believe her character's name is Maryland. And so I remember going to the movie theater to see my mom in that movie. Yeah. And that was weird. Uh-huh. Because you were a kid. I was like six or seven was like, this is confusing. Then my dad was in more. So Phan, I was older. And that's just been really fun. You know, he I love that. Because he loves to do that. Yeah. He seemed like he likes it. And so it's just an he he's funny, and it's fun to see him in things. But it is odd to see people, you know, in movies. Don't you think? Yeah. It's hard to a little bit from that. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I don't know a ton of actor actors just a handful here and there. Yeah. But it is always a little weird. Yeah. And I was really into going to the video store kid and in the summer getting to the video store and video bleaker street, videos, and then. But I would get the same video over and over and over like incessantly and parenthood is one of those videos that I watched over and over and over and over as a little kid, and there were other ones too like. Really stellar choices like big business with lily Tomlin and Bette midler where they are two sets of twins are switched at birth. And they get one lily Tomlin and one but midler each play dual roles, and then they meet. Wow, there are so different. You know, I love lily Tomlin presidency that and Bette midler. I haven't watched it since I was a kid, but I'd be curious to see how it holds up. That's kind of like this movie. I hadn't watched it in a long time. Yeah. Did you watch it? Yeah. For this. Oh, good. But there are lines from parenthood that I like here in my head constantly because I watched so much. 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And I just don't think I remember it being that old what was in the mid nineties or something. Yeah. It was. I was pretty little when I got into this movie. And which is very funny kind of. Yes, we right. Right. I was thinking watching it like this. I don't know. Whether this has shaped part of who I am. Or if it says something about who. I am that I liked it so much. I think that. Yeah. Yeah. Emily watch. Remember, the thirty something gosh, I loved thirty. Yeah. She and her friend with like obsessed over that in high school, and it's just so funny. I think I think especially with young with girls and young women. There's a little bit of a play adult or fantasize about being older. Yeah. Because like every like woman, I talked to when they were like middle school aged watch things like thirty something, and these sort of grown up shows and movies. Yeah. Thirty something. I was a little younger when that when that was on my mom, let me watch that this kid named Rebecca Yama who I didn't. She was a kid in my class. And I don't know. Maybe she listens to this podcast, but she wants came over for a play date. And I remember that I made her play thirty something. Really? Yeah. We're gonna play thirty remember that. She was maybe a little bit not totally on board. But we did it. Acted out the characters. I mean, I was like, okay. Now, you're the dad and also the sister. Also, we've just got some really bad news. Timothy bus, Phil. So I loved thirty something. But yeah parenthood I think is sort of in the same. Yes. Not a kids movie. No. In fact, I thought of it. I watched it so much as a kid that I remember when my younger sister was small my dad and her mom were asking for ideas of movies that they could all watch together. And I was like parenthood. You should totally watch parenthood. And they called the next day. My dad was like that was not. Turn that off. A few things there are. But I think a lot I missed a lot of them sanitized. But yeah, I imagine you didn't understand like may be because it wasn't so explicit with like the and your buddy Martha plantains in it. I know I know it's so again in that because I I didn't know her then, but I've come to be good friends with her. So so you guys got to be friends later way later. Yeah. Just like maybe ten or eleven years ago. Okay. And so it's fun to go back and see her in that movie 'cause she's so young. Yeah. Does she know that you love hearing hood? I don't think so. I will and little Joaquin Phoenix. Yeah. Which was crazy. I just love all the people in it. I asked us so good. And you, and I think when I was a kid one of the highlights of it was that it ends with a lot of babies is really into babies so anything with babies. Yes. A cool. But and then I also think. It's so much like the things that I like the best funny and sad dark like the. The sadness of regular life, which I'm pretty into. Yeah. Me too. Yeah. But you sure are. I really. I know. And it kinda didn't surprise me at all when you pick this 'cause I was really curious because anytime somebody who's like a really good friend of mine, Mike, I wonder what they're gonna pick. It felt a little feels a little like like a very. Exposed thing to pick a movie because when someone asks about music, and you're like God, I want to say something that like encompasses my whole self and shows you that I'm right? But I just went with my gut. I was like I love that movie. I wanna watch it again. So no, that's what the show is about to like most of the picks have been like die hard, or you know, back to the future. It's like, it's not some high mind. Your dad took you story is probably about his art houses. We've got to get serious bring him in. But that was legit you dad's favorite totally wasn't like, well, let me be impressive. No, which is interesting because the sadness in that movie. Really like he was really into that too. Yeah. So I wonder if that's a little bit, and your mom is seems like I might be wrong. But when I've been around her she seems like a really kind of happy type person. No. I mean, she can go over some sadness. Yeah. But I don't think that she wall of in the same way as I do got you. But yeah, it's funny 'cause my dad's work a lot of his songs, and some of his most amazing songs are about familial relationships and families and stuff, and I don't know if you ever saw parenthood in it, certainly not his kind of thing, but they do feel like it. Does it does touch on some of the same things that he's trying to say work, just the the difficulty of your family, and how and how much you love there is there in how much pain there is there? Yeah. And how ridiculous everybody is. Yeah. In thought that like I mean, I love this movie, and I hadn't seen it in a long time. And they really did a great job of weaving together, so many different storylines, and and it never came across like, you know, they dealt with like. Younger kids having sex in the youngest like little Joaquin Phoenix having porn and an interracial relationships and growing old with someone and cheating and leaving someone and the Tom host character. Disappointing someone and then the Jason Robards were so many different character types. But it never felt like like, oh, you know. We're just putting this in there. Because we we don't have this kind of character totally felt believable. I mean, it's in the kind of John RA that it is so not like total realism. But like, yeah, I could see how these characters are family, and that's on life. It is real like you might have one kid that has has some emotional issues and is trying to work things out in another kid who's ramming his head into the wall constantly in their cousin might be little future Mensa member. Like, none of it felt false totally part. Where the the little kid is banging head up against the wall is one of the moment in the movie that I used to reference lot and. Member telling my mom like when I was little little kid like it's so funny. And then he's banging on the wall. And then then the other kid says looks at him and says I and I'm the one in there. And I remember my mom saying why is it that you think that so funny like she was trying to find out like what was wrong me. Right. Yeah. I loved it. And I love the the grandmothers character. Yes. And the moment when she talks about her ups and downs in the roller coaster too. Yeah. I just I love I love all them. Well, and it was a very sweet line when she talks about the she prefers the roller coaster to the merry go round. But it, and it was could have been like a surpise sweet movie moment, but then right afterwards. Steve Martin kind of makes fun of it. Yeah. And that really takes the piss out of it. I think totally in like the perfect way if grandma so smart why she's sitting in the navy? On the line with Kevin at the end when he said, I'm the one in therapy. I mean, it's a cute little line. But what that means is that like it's showing him fully coming around to sort of accepting and even making a little joke. Yeah. He's in therapy, which because you want I mean poor little cabin. I know retainer now that's one of the worst scene is so hard harrowing where he that. Like, what are they at Shuki cheese or something like that? He lives his retainer. And he flips out. He's really good. When he like, it's so yeah. Like stressful. Yeah. And like any he's causing a scene. And then the parents are like Steve Martin's trying to stop the scene, and it's too. So real like think everyone even if you don't have kids you've been a kid and been in families that like you've been in the situations. Yeah. So sad. It was so great. So great. And even the kid in the very beginning. Who plays young Steve Martin talking to assure the baseball game. Great. Yeah. Yeah. They're all really good. I feel like it's shows. It says a lot about relationships like the how much room there is for total dysfunction in the in the kind of affection of it. Yes. Yeah. And of course, the Steve Martin's dad's character of man, he's not very nice. No. But it was that was sort of like necessary because those were a lot of the dads or grandad's, and Jason Robards is just I mean, so good. Yeah. I was always such a big fan of his. Yeah. So sad when he died, and then the, you know, Tom halts is so good gosh. As the the black sheep who sort of one of my favorite parts of the actually when dilemma flies around the corner, the wet caddy or whatever and dumps him out. He just gets up. And he's like, oh, yeah. Just some Frinta just drop me off Jason a friends usually stop slow down even stop the car. Yeah. That's such a good moment. And then his kid cool to the saddest little boy. So cute. Stories the mom shot somebody and had to leave town or something. Yeah. Yeah. Because they were doing Elvis on ice together. There's so many jokes like funny jokes, really, really funny. And and and then the Martha Plumpton Keanu Reeves story lines is great to just the people in the movie every single person is like so compelling. The cast is his. At all. I think really well like that was pretty daunting to have that many characters. Yeah. And storylines. But yeah, their relationship was just so real and teen angsty, and like, I'm just so in love, you know. Yeah. Like, it hurts to they're so in love, and you know, they're not gonna last and even the end dying. We s- is like, yeah. Give it fifty fifty. I know I love that about the movie so much gray area. Yeah. Like, it's. So it could be one of those movies that like everything ties up in a bow. Yeah. But it isn't. Thank goodness. No. I mean, there were some satisfying resolutions. Yeah. Like, the babies all the babies they have. And well, we'll get the intimate, but the Diane we Scherzer love her love love love her and Mary Steenburgen like in real life like versa, both of them. And the character dining Scherzer to have in it all comes around. But having the two children, especially Gary the little walking like that's every parent's worst. Nightmare is to lose your children lose that connection to whether it's just nothing there, and I hadn't seen that movie since I had a kid at all. And that's like, that's my worst nightmare. So not like have my little buddy like forever, and for there to be a time where she's like, I want anything to do with you. Yeah. And I'm just like I can't even think about that. I get like sad. And even his his character is not. That straight up like, I'm a teenager, whatever. Mom, he's sadder than that. He's so much sadder than that. And so much lonelier than that. And when he comes to life, and and is happier. Kiana Reeves cuts his hair. She cuts his hair all they all want to get the haircut or whatever. And he smiles for the first time. So great because I mean, he said because he's a kid of broken family. Yeah. And has a father that doesn't want anything to do with them. Yeah. So that's how that's how kids react. Yeah. This is so real again. No, I love all of them. What are some of your and Rick moranis forgotten? Gosh that whole part to where they've got the little girl whose. Yeah. Smart thing. Trained smarter nine eleven moment. When he wants to get back together with his wife, and he comes into the classroom. She's teaching and he sings to her. That's very sweet. Yeah. There's so many awkward uncomfortable moments to like when the the black sheep brother comes in comes home are all sort of like, hey, yeah. Yeah. And you can just feel it you know, it right away. Exactly. What the whole situation. How the mom feels how the dad siblings feel? I love it. Yeah. And I think everyone's been in situations like that and their own families. Whether it's the weird cousin who shows up in everyone. You know, just like, okay. Yeah. But then you get a little older in the weird cousins, probably normal. Yeah. You know, Tom hall to me he had a cambering problem. Yeah. He did. He was having. Yeah. Right. Because then of course, the dad has told Steve Martin he never should've had four kids that scene was tough. And then Steve Martin knows that his wife is pregnant with their fourth. Yes, sheild. Yeah. I made a note because at the very beginning when with young Gil that seems really funny, but he says something about I'm thirty five now, and I'm forty seven and I was just like oh my God. Me has filled years. Older scared me to the same bought? I I was like, wait a minute. Yeah. He was like grown-up daddy ages like how Steve Martin when he played. Did you find out, but he was probably under the me grace? Ooh per early. Yeah. So he was gray in this twenties. Yeah. So he's not the best. You know, personal get right? I was alarmed by that moment as well. And I also learned a new word when I was a kid that word amalgam that he explains. Oh, yeah. He said gone onto like every time I've ever said that word I've thought of that scene in parent who really. That was really buddy at a couple of favorite lines picked out here to. Oh, when when Diane we finds the naked pictures. She says Martha goes, it's just for fun. Mom, and she says while I'm glad it's not a job. That scene where she's looking at the naked pictures and reacting like, oh, this one's for the fridge. Really, really good. Yeah. And then she goes, oh, here's one for my wallet later onto man. So funny. How was she supposed to be in that? Are they supposed to be teenagers? I guess so she must be supposed to be like seventeen or sixteen. Yeah. It's kinda hard to tell her hair was so bad at the beginning. She's so young. And and great. I mean, I just yes, she was great in in this and. Yeah. I mean, this is only a few years after goonies, really. Yeah. That was probably eighty five or something. I have to confess. I've never seen that what I know. Oh, my Lord. I know how'd you manage the miss that one? You know, I have some weird cultural gaps in my past. I never saw. Star wars. I never saw keep going. Dirty dancing. Okay. Well, my mom says AT is the first movie she ever took me to in the theater, but I looked up when it came out, and that seems impossible that you saw ET. I mean, I was six months old when I can't imagine that she took me to it. But maybe she did who knows. But I think they may have done it like a release of that too. So that's awesome. Me it ran for awhile. So you didn't see Jody dancing. Didn't see Star Wars. Didn't go knees. Right. What else what other biggies? Can you think of? I didn't see oh this happens all the time where where things come up and everybody in the room record, scratches. What's wrong with you? Where have you been gosh? Now, I'm blanking tartar member. Things you haven't experienced sometimes the you know, it's not too late. I guess I was like up with you. It's really Emily's favorite. Maybe. Okay. Maybe like come over some next time. You come to Atlanta. We'll have to. Yeah. I know that people I've learned to kind of cover for my cultural gaps. So like, I've kind of got your. Yeah. Some of the Star Wars lingo like I'm like, okay, they're talking about Star Wars. In fact, I had like a. A weird quasi romantic interaction. Once that was over Instagram message. And I was really thrown off by one of the persons responses something in the nice showed it to someone else after I had responded like clueless Li like, I don't know like this person. I forget what it wasn't xactly. It was. Oh, I said something like. You're my favorite. And the person said, I know. Okay. I was like what is confusing, and then I showed it to someone else. They're like that's a Star Wars reference. I know because oh, she says I love, you know. So I like I have to brush up on my things because you never know when somebody might be like making, pretty obscure. But like didn't even jump to my mind immediately. That makes me feel better. Did you see have you seen? None of the Star Wars ever. No. None never, you know. I'm going to give you a pass on that. Because it didn't surprise me. You're not you wouldn't. That's not your thing. Probably not. I mean, do they have a lot of familial angst? Well, yeah. But actually there is a lot of. Had another really funny line into your. I like the Bartman Patty the little girl. Rick moranis kid is looking at the flash cards that have the dots on them and she threats out whether some crazy numbers and then his kid Steve Martin's good picks up the cardboard thing. And and they're like see, you know, he could be just as smart, and then they cut back to the kidneys eating yard. Right. And says slowdown just get you some dip. Well, he always handles it. So well like you can tell about like behind the scenes with with his wife. He kinda lets out how much some of that stuff bothersome. But he doesn't let like his brother-in-law. He that which is good. Yeah. Yeah. And they there was it's hard to have kids in movies. Yeah. And it can go really wrong if they're to act the and precocious, it's totally pulled it off. I feel like kids the set of kids. Yeah. For real. Yeah. I mean, a couple of best scenes in the movie to me that even like you have a cold dead heart. If you don't be can't watch the cowboy Gill and not like just smile from irr-. It's one of the great movie scene. So really, you know. Like the retainer scene. It's so awful. Yeah. When when it looks like it's going wrong kid's birthday party is going wrong. And it's like no this is not what Kevin needs right now. No. And then it doesn't seem like there's any way that seemed Martin could possibly, but he does not again, not in like, a, you know, it's it's ridiculous enough that it's totally like, yeah. Okay. I'm with you the way it plays out to they. I think they're smart enough to wear. He didn't rush out there. And everyone was like. Yeah. Right. Like he had to win them. And he started off in there. Like, this is lame. Yes. He talks about the bullet hole being bigger and bigger. And then he's like these are kids. Yeah. He talks about slipping around and the guts and like. Yeah. It's so good. Yeah. In the writing way in the horse and falling off it was and then popping backup over the head. Yeah. It's just like such a great moment. And then even afterwards when he's talking to his wife about it. And. It hasn't. It hasn't like quenched his worry about anything. But what next advantage? What are we going to do? And I think that's what it's like to be grown up. Yeah. I'm a Ray of sunshine. What can I know? No. You know, like just he just is like he's like, yeah. I did that and it went well. But like, what are we gonna do for these kids and make sure that they're okay? And he's like happiness is fleeting forever. Totally. I wanna t shirt that says you pretty good. Tell us the naval Lucy Wainwright album. Yeah. It could just be even called sadnesses forever. That's pretty good. Yeah. I like it. And then the other seen to that. Like again, you have a cold dead heart. If you're not like at least a little teary eyed is the baseball scene when Kevin finally like catch us at all. Yeah. Reactions. It's so great that little move. He does is just like does that. Sweet love there are so many for some reason it's it's funny and genuinely funny enough to get away with the cheesiness of it like where things go, right? Yeah. And like when Diane we Scherzer has that boyfriend biology teacher. Yes. And she says she Peden afield Woodstock just the moments where people get when something goes, right? Are totally enjoyable. Yeah. Because it's not because it's also like everything is said awful. Yeah. And it you need sort of like. Sometimes you need to see something kinda sugary sweet like that. Yeah. You know, it is rough in real IRL. Yeah. I wonder if people generally experienced this movie as like. As sad as I do like, I mean, it's not I also think it's funny. But the reason I love it is because it has sort of like an undercurrent of. No, I totally agree. And I think a lot of people may not like, I think when people think oh parenthood they remember cowboy gale and hitting the head on the the kid ramming his head into kings, and all the sort of kind of silly jokes and not like all the pathos underneath all these characters. Yeah. I think it's it says something that I loved that movie as a kid, but when I watched as an adult, so I'm thirty six now. And I I felt like, yeah, they're totally hitting on like adult stuff. Like, it wasn't like I was like oh my God. Like, I thought like it's I totally get what they're getting when Royal Tenenbaums came out, another one of my favorite family, family movies, family, depiction movies, haven't seen it. Lucy. If you ever seen a Wes Anderson movie. I'm not sure. Treasures, some others. Rushmore? No. Royal Tenenbaums bottle rocket. No, the d'argent logic. No life aquatic, dodging Darjeeling limited. I wanna go with no. What was the one with the you haven't seen any of them? All right. You'd like you'd like Royal tannenbaums. Really? It's another good movie about families that has it said underbelly four. Sure. Okay. Cool. The log line for that movie. Or maybe on the poster something on never forget. It was so good. It was family isn't a word. It's a sentence. I was like, man. Yeah. That's deep. That's good. That's the repeal. I haven't seen Royal tannenbaums or any. Let's Anderson movie. Yeah. We've only just begun to scratch the surface of what's missing from my. You know, what's funny is my the little mini episodes to Monday with my co host knoll who's usually over there. And I I make fun of him all the time for the things he hasn't seen. So I did a little game called Knowles holes where pixel I twenty movies from across a range of generations. And but all really popular, and he kinda got pissed off about it would just kind of funny. But I think he saw eleven out of the twenty because we had a bet they would be over under fifty percent. So he just eked by just eat by. I could probably but really well slash poorly at Knowles holes. If you played it with me, I just thought of another one Titanic I didn't see that or Romeo and Juliet with Claire Danes. I didn't see that either. You get a pass on that one Titanic. That was just so like big it's hard to imagine you avoiding that well Romeo and Juliet when I was in high school was. Like that all of the girls had seen so about thing. Yeah. I should have seen. But I don't know what happened. But you've probably seen the seventies. Or the sixties version? Right. I bet. Romeo. Juliet, maybe. No, no, no. They usually show that school. I was too busy watching thirty something right over and over and over or parenthood number. Let me see what else I have here. I think that's it grandma with the the helium tank. I mean, it's so goofy. But like why not she's so good? She was wonderful. You got anything else on parenthood? Well, we didn't talk about the end end. Really we danced around it that great bit of misdirection when the baby scene, you think it's Mary Steenburgen. Right. And then you think well, no, maybe it was Martha. Yeah. But then the big reveal I know right as a late in life. Yes. Baby. From the biology trend, Diane we I know it's pretty good. It's great. It's so great everywhere. And it's just kids and babies everywhere. And that's a really wonderful. I am still totally sold on that. I think that was my idea of every movie every happy movie, I know that like Shakespeare supposed to end with a wedding. I don't care about that. How about a bunch of babies that seems good? I miss having a baby. Yeah. I get why people have more babies because you miss babies. Yeah. Yeah. And you get a little bit out of it. And you're like have whatever three year old, man. I'm as babies. Yeah. Totally have to stop myself when I see babies from touching them. Yeah. Yeah. You should not do that. But I want to have like a hat that says I'm a dad like babies, not a creek. Right. Well, when I was a kid, but your baby's foot exactly was a kid. I could get away with that. I sometimes that my mom shows. I would go out in the audience, and if somebody had a baby would like hang out with them and get them to give me the baby. So then I'd like walk around the whole night with the baby is a thing that I used to do. But it doesn't work when you're an adult. It seems dangerous and scary when you're an adult you could get away with it. Your lady you got a sweet face to be real real careful. Yeah. Well, true. Yeah. But it's. They're like Ryan. Well, if I had a baby I'd let you touch it. Okay. Yeah. And this babies, they're fun and people that kids in babies, I mean, I get it. It's if that's your thing. Yeah. But like I'm always like you were a kid once. Yeah. I mean, they're they're. But they're also great. Yeah. I mean, it's a challenge to be sure. Yeah. And you know, maybe I didn't love everyone else's kid before. I had a kid. Yeah. So maybe that's part of endlessly. Interesting. I think and used to when I was a teacher. I think that's part of what so magical about that job is just like array of people that you're dealing with in that intimate way. These a class full of people who are just so fully themselves. Yeah. And there's no. I don't know the correct, psychological terms. But there's just no pretension about any thing. It's just raw human beings enrolling human nature and personality before they know, you know, it's it's what sucks is is to see little bits of innocence being lost along the way. It's the saddest thing to see like even little things like the first up true upsets. And that's the worst thing is that go from these perfect little pure beings. And then you just that gets chipped away. As you grow older and older. That's the log line of parenthood. Yeah, I've seriously. And yeah, I was putting my niece bed a couple years ago. And I don't see her that much because she lives in LA, and I live in New York. And so she was milking it, you know, I'd read like twelve books song. Totally. I have terrible boundaries. And so she was really getting a lot for money. And so I I finally said like, hey, why don't you sing yourself a song? I'm just going to go out in the other room with the adults good night. And she said fine. But I'm gonna sing a song about a sad human. And it's like, yeah. Well, welcome to the family. So we do here. Tomorrow. That's so funny, and how old at the time is probably three almost four now. She's seven she's big now. That's so funny. Yeah. Rubio's start to you just get more clued in or she does things and like little things like I was mad this morning because my stupid, I was in a hurry, and like the gate didn't shut and I had to get out and go do it. And I was just like yeah outside and she went daddy. Were you frustrated? Oh, I was. And she said why was like it's fine. I'm just in hurrying chew. It we frustrated because the gate didn't close. She's like, yes. I was she's like, I didn't miss. Well, part of it too is teaching future. Adults like to embrace all those feelings. Try my best to not say don't cry. You know, might cry. It's fine. Yeah. It's okay. To be sad. Yeah. And that's what this movie maybe has to say. Yeah. So like all the emotions are here. Yeah. And even though they end on a high note, a baby filled high note, we can assume that things are gonna go down downhill again shortly even later that day like that's the whole movie is like, it's a grandmother roller coaster thing. Like, I wonder parenthood the movie ten years later like cannery and Martha totally divorced. Totally probably like a couple of kids. Yeah. Who knows little Joaquin little Gary is truly on the straight narrow it. Guess it depends on if the biology teacher stuck around. Yeah. Which you're looking at the kind of set you up to think that there have a good thing going. And the the grandparents are probably gone. They're gone in version two. Jaffer to mom, I be around. But she didn't really have much of a part in this didn't. But but that said so much to sure to kind of wife, the kind of marriage that she was in like that. And how he's kind of taking shots at are all the time. But she doesn't say anything. Yeah. It was. He wasn't nice to his wife. No, no, not not nice to hit her mother either grandma now. And I thought Steve Martin the way he handled that situation was so real like didn't show a lot of outward anger at his dad for being a shitty dad was just sort of like he's gotta be around and I'll tolerate it. But he did have that one good moment where Jason Robards. I mean, he's such a lovable guy and he played such a Dicken this. But when he saying like Kevin that kid, he's you know, he's no bigger than you. Are you should blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and finally Steve Martin snapped. And so I could shut up data. What are we said? Yeah. But I was so glad for that moment. Totally. It's like somebody tell him to shut the fuck up. Yeah. Because he doesn't he needed to be really yelled at because of course, earlier in the movie they have the thing where he's like who's wedding. Do they get drunk and Steve Martin's like all three debt? Yeah. Yeah. Which flies right past Jason parts. He doesn't care, you know. But he needed to his place there at the end, and and the sadness to of cool. Oh, Cohen Tom Holtz is basically setting up like the next thing. And he's leaving and fucking forgets about his son. His Jason Robards is like, and what about cool, and he was like. Oh, right. Right. Isn't that was so depressing? I know and cool is so cute. I now face and already has such a like is behind the eight ball in life because of his messed up dad, and then I guess is staying with his super messed up Granddad. So yeah, things are really going to go great for all of them. But they all seem happy in the hospital. All those babies and everything was fine and cut, and we don't we don't see what happens. Did you watch the TV show at all? No. Is it are they the same idea? I was gonna ask, you know. I mean, I'm sure it is probably right. I don't know. I I don't know. I think in a way I was afraid to ever. No. I don't wanna see it look at it. Because because I love this one so much like, oh, I don't know what they've done with it really aren't enough babies in it. And they made it so many years later to which is weird. Yeah. Yeah. Out the check it out. Hey, movie Crushers. Are you a true crime fan than you should check out hell and gone to show that I execute it produced I was very much hands off because the team over at school of humans. My old pals put this together with Catherine town, CIN private investigator who walks us through the story of cold case in Arkansas and the Ozarks from two thousand four the murder of a twenty two year old college student named Rebecca Gould, it's very sad. Catherine is actually from this town. So she brought this project to us and said, you know, this cold case sitting out there. I don't think they want it solved. And I think this killer is walking around this small town. And I think a lot of people know who did it. It's called Helen gone. Very unique true crime podcast in the space. We're very proud to put it out. So you can check it out. Every Wednesday may explore new leads knock on new doors and investigate every angle every potential suspect. And you can listen and subscribe to Helen gone, apple podcast or on the. Iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. All right, Lucy. So we finished with a couple of segments. What Ebert said? Is a complete disappointment. He gave it four stars. Is that Roger Ebert? How many can you get four? Oh, great. Yeah. He got out of four. One. Your. Ron Howard's parenthood is a delicate balancing between comedy and truth. A movie that contains a lot of laughter and yet is more concerned with character than punch lines to best kind of comedy. But we recognize the truth of what's happening, even while we're smiling, and where we eventually knowledge that there is a truth in comedy series drama can never quite reach. What enjoyed most about the movie the way so many scenes were thought through to an additional level Howard and his collaborators don't simply make a point they make the point. And then take another look at it. From a new angle finding a different kind of truth. That that's what I meant to say. No. Said this is forever better. And then five questions, what's the first movie? You remember seeing that the well like, I said, my mom says my first movie was ET. But I was like couldn't speak or talk at that time. So that seems weird. I do remember seeing Bambi. And I remember that we went with my aunt Anna who actually is a year younger than me because of interesting family set up an Anna, she was into happy things and she was scared easily. And I remember that her mom had to remove her from the theater during Bambi and also during the FOX and the hound later. But I was like watching her. I does of sadness too scary to said Bemis mom, get shot. I have to go. No. And but I was like I remember like why watching her going up? I'll be like this. I'm I'm staying in for this. They start off. Bam bama's mom being shot. And you're probably. Yeah. That's right. That's what happens. How movie ruined Emily? Disney movies. She say, yeah. No. She's like, they're all they all have some sort of death. Yeah. They do Mike. Yeah. I think that's kind of one of the points is they're trying to teach kids about death. Yeah. Through Bambi sadnesses forever. Yeah. She's like, Nope. Do you? Remember your first rated movie. No. But I do remember that my mom, let me watch on TV when I was about seven or eight fatal attraction. Ooh. And it was probably your for sorry. Let me watch it all the way until the end. And there was one scene. She wouldn't let me watch. I know. I bet the rabbit yet to let me watch that part. And she was like you have to go to bed. Now. You can't see the rest because that would've truly upset you. Yeah. I liked animals a lot. I still do funny. Yeah. And it took years for me to discover what it was. I didn't get to see which is that she boiled the bunny. Yeah. Yeah. Good job. Mom. Yeah. That's totally the right thing to do. I don't know that. Well, I mean, the rest of the movie isn't particularly gel challenge friendly now. No, not at all. Will you walk out of a bad movie? I know you talked with my dad this, and he talked about how he walks out of movies a lot, and I find that to be very stressful to walk out a movie when he walks out of a movie that I'm at with. Get up and leave with you next. When I was a kid. I remember we once went to see a different SIV Martin movie that one where he's like a televangelist or something. Yeah. Yeah. I know what you mean. And remember we left a hung in the middle because my dad, I can't do this. Yeah. So I didn't like that feeling. So I would say for the most part. No, I won't stay. Okay. Because you. You take me we're leaving. So I'm a movie doormat. I'll watch whatever if if you get me in there. I'm in until the end movie dormant, I like that. Yeah. All right. This is tailored for you. What what song? Do you wish you had written like when you hear it? You're just like man if I could write that song. Yeah. Well, it's not necessarily your favorite song either. Right. Although. Gosh, this is really gotta think about this. Okay. There's a song called holy. By a songwriter called Chris Pirka that I've uttered the words I wish I wrote this song not a song that a lot of people would probably know. But okay. It's really sad. Yeah. Yeah. So good like, man. Yeah. It's like God damn this sadness chunk is taken already. And. I'm trying to think of something more. Well, one thing I've I've noticed is that some really famous songs that I have known always. I've covered them. And they've changed into a different thing for me. So like, you said it up twenty of cover songs right dirge machine can just give me something upbeat, and I'll just dirge a fi shiny happy people by RAM tragic. So I've been singing lately I've been seeing my show lately because I feel like people are so stressed about the world and things are really hard learning. Our time I've been singing won't back down. But like super sad and slow. I could hear that like, I'm picturing that coming from you. And I bet that's great. You won't have to picture it too much longer. 'cause I'm gonna put it up on Spotify. Oh, awesome. But he. Yeah. Like that's a song. I've always known. I've always liked. But then in that context, you're like, oh, like how they actually totally heartbreaking. I know. I'm thinking of those words now. And so, you know. That ability for somebody to write a song like that that lives its whole life as one thing, but holds up as a totally different thing. That's pretty cool. You know, like a or hungry heart. I same thing in my life. You know? But then when I heard it. Yeah. Oh, actually, we did together know he did that. And also on my record. I sang it with Martha Plumpton. Oh, wow. And it was her idea to I cover it. Yeah. That's a good one too. And so I admire that kind of writing where maybe the song even has to lives, you wouldn't expect petty and Springsteen. Yeah. A slap just. That was a good answer. Oh, good movie going on one. What what do you do at the theater where do you sit? And what do you eat? I will sit anywhere. This is this is like. I'm like I said earlier, right? I have pretty bad boundaries and practice pretty poor self care. So really, I'll do whatever the other person wants outset anywhere. And I'll eat anything. I'll do whatever you want mostly. I, but I used I I'm I'm really I like babies, but I also really like candy. I never think I want popcorn. But usually if someone gets it I start in with the popcorn in that. I can do I put away some popcorn I liked babies. But I really like candy. That's another t-shirt. Take a baby with this has the candy. Yeah. That's the move. And you've got all of them got it all famous candy and a record criminal record. Perfect way to end. Okay. Thanks. All right, folks. Hope you Doug that one. That was fun. I like to get these musicians in here, and I guess technically Lucy's actor as well because she was on the stuff, you should know show and tell you what if you play, Jerry. I mean, she should have got an EMMY nomination for that. 'cause cherries in 'nigma, and she really captured that onscreen everybody. So check out the stuff, you should know show. Go give it a look if you never saw it. It's a very odd little show that we did. And like I said you can get on Amazon prime and check out Lucy's handiwork as an actor about. 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