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"Are you so full of fear? You can't even talk about money and wealth. Dr Cheryl is showing you how to shift your mindfulness with your wealth relationship. Most people don't even like to talk about money from personal level. You can learn how to get past the fear and talk about money and wealth and free yourself to a healthy relationship no matter where you are in your life. Are you ready for some good changes? This really affects all areas of your life. It's time for the wealth. Transformation podcast. Now here's your host Dr Cheryl Shire our show. This evening is about the wealth of healing. The memory with ballroom dancing our guest. This evening is kin wong kin. Wong is the creator of ballroom dance for senior fitness. He just can't get enough of his job. Ken Teaches Tangle class at the NAPA American Legion. He produces public service announcement videos. Promoting local dance groups. He is writing a book and producing a documentary. All in the name of ballroom dance for seniors cans. Altima goal is to bring ballroom dancing for seniors as a national fitness program. A retired electrical engineer. Ken started veteran stone. Inc a social media company working with Veterans Organizations in two thousand eleven with support from the veteran's home in the NFL and Napa foreign skews made the Napa American Legion. He managed to have both the town of Phil and the city of Napa proclaimed July. Two Thousand Fifteen as ballroom dance for senior fitness awareness month. Welcome can thank you for coming You came from the East Bay. I know it was nice meeting you at Mark's networking a few weeks ago and I just. I'm very inspired to have you here. what you're sharing with US tonight. Already gave a wonderful intro about you and what your purposes so please tell us a little bit about yourself and where you came from and how you've got to where you are okay. Oh yes of course. My name is Kim. Jong and I've been electrical engineer for twenty five years and then I a couple of years ago I started to do more a nonprofits Like last year I was working on a project on Waltz and and Tai Chi is a speech. I was working on and I was inspired by the fact that you don't really have to spend a lot of money or technology you can keep yourself healthy. Yes a friend of mine. Show me also recommend to me Show me the article about ballroom. Dance for senior fitness study by the New England Journal Medicine. Two thousand three that ballroom. Dancing is the best activity. Protects seniors against dementia as many may know there's no cure for dementia and Alzheimer's. I mean yes so I was working on it. I was trying to make motivation on video With that journey I learn more about the difficulty of the activity in the study has been for many years and how come we're not there yet. So are you from the bay area? Originally actually originally from Hong Kong went to school. You know how State Ohio Ohio came here in Silicon Valley and worked for a couple years in Concord. And then I moved to East Bay and I've been doing alleged questioning for twenty years. When did you actually get your passion around ballroom dancing? Actually it was last year. I was wow this recent. Yeah Oh okay. Yeah and we so. I was walking on the movies trying to put together a motivational video about Boerum dance senior. And then on that journey I find first of all of course we have defied money. We have to get Directors and I ran into mark sack. It's right San Francisco. He offered to help us. Did you go to his networking or did you meet him? Through another avenue before you went to the networking I did. I went to his network to okay. So that's where I find him and then we talk a little bit more and he you know. He has his own Studio so he has his own team as so I think it was a good match would be a good thing. We just have to find the money we need to get the team together and work on it From that journey we I find. There's more I can do so I started to teach at Tango in American Legion in Napa. It's just a little well and veterans for free so good for veterans and also for local open to public isn't just seniors or young. Actually because I mean that's fine right right and and believe it will not senior also like to dance with young people to and and also I'm still continued doing fundraising for the For the motivation video and also Writing a book. So how are you reaching out to what organizations to get the funding? You know what? What are you doing to network with that Right now we trying to used of course the armed yes we also doing a PSA. A public service announcement. Yes which like you say three and a half minutes video for the first one we do. We have done for sizzle reel. That was the three and a half minutes of video. It's like a minute and a half is about the benefits of Barham death senior for seniors. Is that that marks in no actually. Is this brand new? This is just a commercial type. Appear to have a one and a half minutes about the benefit of ballroom dancing. The the New England Journal Medicine. Study the and which. I'm curious they'll Alzheimer's fax tell us about that. Yes else. Hybris is a six lead leading cause of death. Sixth Yeah very actually is on a train of up up going growing. We have right now. Two Thousand Fifteen. We have five point three million patients and we projected to thirteen point. Eight million by two thousand fifty give. We don't find a cure. And what are they doing? You know what's the latest statistics on on any kind of cure? I think we'll we still early. Infantry of the the cost of the disease and there were still a long way to go. And that's really get motivated me to do this project because really doesn't matter how much money we throw in. Now there's no there's no benefits for the senior. Current seniors is almost impossible to get them to end much benefit because he will take time to get the cure so if according to the new in to the journal Medicines study a frequent ballroom. Dancer had a seventy six percent lower risk of dementia is done compared to those who do not answer. Okay so what is it that that makes the benefit with the dancing the movement. The what is it. Oh yeah actually is knocked a movement that apply how the people thing is we can actually simulate do. The movement is not as the movement is the split-second decision while you dancing with your partner. So you're using your brain cells in your your current in your brain. Well actually these of course using the electrical current but the main thing is within three second within the count you have to retreat the death movement and then execute in real time with the partner okay. That's the hard part because she could be moving different direction reverses lying dense. But you do it yourself. You just repeating the pattern share but with the desert with the partners. You actually a split second decisions you have to make sure execute when you execute because the size difference so you have to constantly make adjustments. Yeah sure same as actually even better for the ladies because she would not even know that dance until she start when when the when the men started to have even less time to make that decision to make the changes So therefore that split-second decision making a big difference for the brain so so for a woman a she has to make the quick change to to follow. Follow right what your partners do. What movement in until he started and so for the for the man he has to go to the memory. Bank to find it you're gonNA use and then but for the lady. He would not even have any clue what he wants to do until he started. Only have less time this even more benefit for the ladies. That's all that's funny. So what is the the New England Journal? Say about ballroom dancing. As far as the the the the solid a medical benefits in depth particular study is a long term that the landmark study. Nobody really disputed study is a observational study. So they didn't really look into the Y. But he they study thirteen. Different activities have physical activities versus as well as the cognitive activities so on physical activities like swimming swimming walking golf. Some and walking out this the Cognitive activities including reading reading crossword puzzle and feel things but basically general all the fees most activities that that seniors do and they find mostly physical activities. Have very little to protect seniors again. Dementia so good for our cardiovascular right right so it's it's doing it with a partner that makes also makes different and also this split-second decision to timing constraints. They say the second best activity. You was crossword puzzle. We've only give you forty seven percent risk reduction. The reason is it is harder to do crossword puzzle than than than retreat the movement. But then you can take as long as you want and you go through the same path of going back to your memory bank and get the answer but so it's repetitive very repetitive. You don't create Neil. You don't require to make up new network via the wiring right. Yeah so bottom. Required because of the split-second decisions if forced to bring to we wires a lot of the neural path. Wow so important. Actually they say by the time you finish destined you get smarter because wire we wire a lot of rewire wire. Yeah well that's kind of exciting. It is and he's fun to well. Yeah because dance is actually is a rich Roy. A social ritual is place you meet with people and I just. I don't the other benefits because ballroom. Dancing is has been proof studied. Pu for other benefit like depression. Reduced Reproche Depression Cardiovascular heart health a lot of good benefit however they do have alternatives like depression. You have drug. You have other activities that can help but dementia is the only the that was not. That's no not many really good activities and adult. You're right I mean Barham. Dense is the best activity protect seniors. So is it stress on that but it doesn't minimize the other activities are other benefits right you are. I think depression is a big thing too if you hit a lot of seniors depression yeah so if we can do so important so big one creative yeah as senior and so important to paint or something that you want to create a can communicate with people and for of course I bias of Tango. Actually is bracing. You help people. You're hugging close to me. I think takes the closeness and the warmth and feel loved. Unconditional love little. Talk about on my show. Yeah is unconditional love you know. No judging criticizing just deny unconditional absolutely for that moment. That's what Tangos they say. That's not it's not. It's not the past is not the future and present it being there and you hug and you communicate and you really. That's part that's really the good part of the dance. Yeah well we will do a demonstration of of course I love to. I know when you ask me. I thought Okay No. I'm game. Actually what I demonstrate is a very simple step but it does help. Not only the the mind part is really it's good for the back and the spine and I wanted to share with the audience and so that we can do a Swiss simple exercise and normally requires six steps and the very small space and actually I do it a lot in the ymer waiting for in line. You're practicing. You're you can practice absolutely brought in the city on the line I met. I saw this lady. Have a little portable chair is on the on the crane. Buddy COPEN UP. We can sit on it and he felt so happy. Have that's chair but I said really maybe better. All we do is look. I tried to convince her but she she did but hopefully after this show she will next time when she see. I see her so we can tango. Yeah well. That's that's good because I know other people tango and they love it and I just knew explored some more. That's all SESEKO ballroom. Dance in general is social ritual. Everybody get together and you chat in you you you hug share you share share. You contact physically contact. We need that. We don't get enough. They say that you're you've we should really hug twelve times a day to really be healthy and and you know unless you're in a relationship or even you're you're any real populations down you know if you're part for you know in twelve times. That seems like a lot but it's really not no. It's not an uncle not in any dense you go to dense and little fuels said we don't have in the trend. We don't have that many people dancing comparing to used to be and I think we should change that. Would you think well yes? Bet How? Yeah we'll station through your message. I mean that's I know. Well I have a friend that dances every weekend. You know it's in some way may not be the tango right all room dancing but it's important she's always saying dances is a connection to spirit and definitely to the people. Yeah I mean that's the whole point of it is sharing and one thing they talk about. Beauty beauty is actually not according to science scientists is not a beauty of beholder is a would be holders is actually is the indication of your health. Beauty is indication of health. Yes you healthy. You beautiful doesn't matter. You have a big ice or small is source as long desolate healthy. And they're healthy. That's what that's what count so what. What's more healthier than you spinning? Six sls flexing your six hundred twenty piece of muscle spinning turning and moving up and down. You're actually demonstrating I'm healthy person. Yes absolutely and it keeps you limb or flexible flexible and the whole idea. Is You show you showing people your healthy I can do. All these Mu Movement and I must be healthy and we want to be as healthy as long as we possibly can absolutely absolutely. Yeah Oh my goodness. Wow so tell us about the city of Napa ballroom awareness month. Oh yes that's in July and we are so fortunate. We have the both mayor of Napa Joe Tackle and Town of Young Field John. John Dunbar both mayors. Well Poke Lame July ballroom dance for senior really. Been doing this for a year. Yeah and and you already got the awareness month. We have support from the local public access. Tv NAPA ACIDS CAVEAT TV and we have Field Dense groups. So we actually have a very good party in July and seven so. That's that's commendable. I such a short time while we even though it's been around for a long time. Dancing is knocked the tensing itself dancing been around for a long our connection between the awareness. Will we really want people to know you could be healthier at and dancing is not a luxury really a necessity? Yes it healthiest. Ethos would go down too well yesterday. I celebrated with My. She's my surrogate mother and she's Canadian and she lives up in Washington and I called her and her husband. He's ninety four. She just turned eighty. Nine okay I told her and she's she's quick a web and she walked. She's walked her whole life. She's always walked and so I told her yesterday. I said you've got to start. You and Ed need to start ballroom dancing. Because of it helps Alzheimer's and he has Alzheimer's he goes to classes like every day for like ten until four and he doesn't quite understand why doing so I'm not sure how progressive it is. But I told her and she goes. Oh well I'M GONNA have to consider that her he he has good rhythm so and they say music actually help people's memory a lot. I actually had a woman on my show cat. Downey who actually? It was advocating music for all kinds of music. But she goes and she D- She demonstrates music at senior home. Oh okay so it's another avenue in absolutely and I really think the more benefit is also to the younger people if we can bring younger generation to the ballroom dance with the seniors and maybe with like a community service of some sort. I think that will be a great idea we have. We have to get the young ones between twenty and thirty out of their computer. Yes out of there. I see every day. Or they're just robotic. They need to expand their physical glass of wine and dance. I mean I'm not advocating alcohol but now part of part of sometimes Alexa this the part of ritual so you mentioned the PSA. And I did watch the I think it was. The mayor was that was that was the then we have A. We have that event recorded as a half hour show as the in the podcast in Napa County. Yes and we do have I I already. I brought the video. I don't share with you later online. Little little bit. A part of it is basically we have the message one and a half minute about ballroom dance benefit and then we have two minutes about auto. Dan Local dance groups scheduled where they are little advertisement for them so that people can go there and we would try to do the same thing in the bay area we will will will will come out here expanding in San Francisco absolutely in in here marine. Yes East Bay anywhere anywhere anywhere. So the the benefit is exactly the same. There's only different. Is the the local dance groups schedule and that video can be just broadcasting everywhere. Sure yeah to help The seniors to learn the awareness and also to find a place to go. Yeah yeah well it. It also needs to be easy and effortlessly to be able to appear at those places for them you know and if if they see if they could exercise it to feel the benefit then they'll want more. Oh Yeah Oh yeah and knock just exercise is the social is a social connection connection. Yeah a connection and the benefit of exercise right right. Actually as I said it's not the the dementia is not is not the exercise. The out of the all the activities physical activities study in journal murders of by by the Albert Einstein College. None of them have any significant Protection against dementia. Only ballroom dancing this way and topped for everything of all the Canadian. How they measure that would they actually look at? Compare those who dance and don't dance. Compared dose do Crossword Puzzles. Don't do cross word puzzle. I think that's how the how big it appeared of for twenty one years long time and with over four hundred seniors and with. Yeah so it is rare. Throw a landmark study. It just needs to be advertised. Needs to be out there in the public so their awareness right and awareness helpless deaths. What station for bring it. Bring that out and of course they have. We have to make it easier for them to dance and we have to find out also why what are the problem. What are the challenges and we see why they don't well? We've actually done some study on. Maybe we don't have enough partners younger partners so we that's what we now working on trying to bring young younger a not necessarily kid. We'd be forties fifties. We bring younger generations to to come to the senior about the twenty and thirty few that would do would be interested to have. They do have dense club in certain high school. I know in college. Well I remember having to do that. You know we tried the gamut of dancing. You know at that time. You didn't want it. Get close to a boy but this for the sake of community service. Maybe there's a different story. We can advocate just like swit- the choices go to the beach. Pick up garbage. You come to the floor as well. That's quite a difference. It's like so you might. You might motivate certain people to come as long as the community service. That's an interesting concept Yeah I how can you integrate that while we have to? We have to figure it out. Yeah but it can be done it can be. I think it can be done and I also think certain. Dance Tangle at the little advertisement. Tango is actually. I think he says each year for its seat for some seniors. They don't never dense before because then they probably feel a little insecure. Because they don't WanNa learn you know do we. Well I mean the as I said this. Four hundred variations entangle tests so many. So we just have the pick and choose certain. Ucla want the most benefit to seniors. Start with instead of goes through the most difficult different. We've become pick and choose. I think problem damps out the TANGOS. Uc over senior because for one especially for men because they don't have any beat heartbeat stowed. It will look at the instrument. They have you only have valley and keyboard accordion. They know they don't have a drum set. Oh you mean Tango Tango Music. There's not a beat. And it's all by the interpretation of men whatever he want however he won the beat the timing. So He's less stressful. When you have one two three one. Two three heap like other. Did you ever let a woman lead? No but I do APP Tango Woman. You know women that really knows her tango but that's not the dance that dance is is the is the communication between men and women that demand is the one to design in his head. How this going to progress is a piece of Art But you need to go communication. You need to co-op cooperation of women and that's why you want to go forward. But she wanted to go backward then will clash so it's so that the dance is also always this elite to designed to go so the the dances as good as the partner. If you eat for fun I was once asked by a man lead. Follow but that's okay used to leading because you know you know how to tango two you know the four hundred different variations does actually does so you can get creative with it. We'll actually this. What fat and so so much about about tangos no one will know all of it but every time you will know little you learn a little bit Every time every time so he's very good for even senior or young people. You always learn something you feel like oh I I do some. I learned something today. You know every time you go there well. That's always a good feeling. Yeah no matter what it is in the daytime we always WANNA learn once you learn every day and you can demonstrate it right away. Oh I learned that I used. I did that move. Thank goodness so what about your film in your book. And what's what are you doing about that? Why actually the all About ballroom dancing with seniors For my book I'm trying to put together is a is a fictional book is about this lady trying to put ballroom dance for senior fitness as a national program fitness program. So we're going to see her challenges and and how she overcome and her family and her relationship with her son and grandmom and so. That's the lot of stern personal experience myself in there too so that was will be. I think it personally. I really feel good to express what I my own journey but in in the perspective of ladies some of it if some of it true yes yes yeah absolutely absolutely yeah the challenges right. Yeah and then for the for the documentary we want to have. We wanted to do a documentary about this couple couple. And they were aware of Alzheimer's disease and they don't know what to do with it and this journey about them to find out what's available. What what can they do and hopefully guide them to take and tango? Hopefully well? Personally I would imagine that the tango would help you with the ballroom dancing and the ballroom would help you with the tango to Tango. He's just tons fission easier transition into ballroom dancing dancing. Yeah it's no difference. I think all our partner related communication hug in awkward stuff and Yeah but we'll we'll find out because we would not know until we do the documentary interview of Medical Staffs and we will do a lot of studies by them will find out more right. How did journey will end up? But we hopefully. We'll get some solution. Well I know that. Alzheimer's is a serious serious issue in our society on every they say one third of the seniors will died with some sort of Alzheimer's or dementia and two-thirds of them will be women. Unfortunately women are more vulnerable. Alzheimer's I wonder why I'm not too sure what we tried to find A. I have read that Alzheimer's 'cause I I like to read different avenues and I have read did Alcohol isn't also contributes to Al Alzheimer's and You know I don't know what to what degree but you know I mean it makes sense because if you're drinking constantly is GonNa Affect Your brain cells so I'm not. Yeah Yeah I think. A lot of substance abuse. Yeah any any excess her. Secret Diction Yeah. All that's going to affect affect do also. Alzheimer's disease lasts like three on average three to ten years. Who's really long and the problem is the suffering. Is this long? Well I I have witnessed a couple. They were married for years. But I witnessed He had Alzheimer's for eight years. And then finally he actually got a little violent towards the end and He waited for his son. His son was in Zurich and he was in San Francisco But he waited for his son to come back to see him because all of his organs started shutting down but he waited for his son and the last five minutes of his breathing he became totally clear his mind and he could talk to his son. Wow Yeah I know was like a miracle but then he gave out after he died after right so it's kind of funny. How things work you know. Can't explain it whether it's universe or God or whatever you know But I I've witnessed the Alzheimer's I know a horrible disease horrible disease. They know which brains going to go and people will lose the mechanics of eating. My Dad actually lost his ability to swallow. So you can eat it. Couldn't but mechanic is good it. Just bring the timing of the swallowing attitude of some kind of ingestion makes them if they put the liquid directly to the stomach of some sort. So it was yeah. There's so many way of suffering from father still alive past couple of years ago. Yeah Yeah Yeah. So what was he a seventy nine eighty eight? That's young today I know so. That's one reason why we need to not only live longer but Lee health healthier. Well that's the whole key is health and happier dancing right Also a fine. You doesn't matter where you are. You could be spending forty dollars to get into Blackhawk to dance dance event or you go to Oakland to spend four dollars. It's the same. Dance is the same it is. It is You the same amount of pleasure. I guess it's the company in which You keep yourself you dance you know. Have the statement health benefit same. And I think that's one of the item you don't have you don't have to spend. I mean you can't. You cannot value by the or you can start your own. Dance Group. Yeah I would like to. I would like church. Do It in a church a big facility and if they recognize benefit of tango. I'm so maybe this is a hard push tag. Go but what. How tangles your passion Why not so church could definitely help and see the road in the mouth okay. Well we're isn't. Isn't that what tango you have? The rose up in but I saw a movie something somewhere. Yes yeah where where? It's more dramatic dramatic. I think spending she liked Spanish spanning. Yeah but definitely I believe. Church can do more for ballroom dancing because caring people is a good opportunity for them to get a new members and tried they have facilities and I personally I really think the government should pay more attention to this because As a matter of fact they need An advocate they need an advocate for two to the government. I think so. I think we need to empower the doctor to Prescribe Harlem dancing and pre reimbursable by Medicare and debt will really bring well. We have to educate the doctors so they aren't hung up on the on the buck on the money. The money well. That's that's part of the problem too to find to find doctors. That are passionate about you. Know healing assisting in this is really a prevention program in according to the New England Journal. He's so prevention. How `Bout the New England Journal of Medicine? How about the doctors that wrote that the study or the steady by Albert Einstein? College in New York. Well why not? Why not get contact them and have them get amped up to to you. Know go to the larger organization so yeah that's a lot of revenue that's why public Tv's so important to get this message out in and get the public aware. You don't have to spend a lot of money. You can do a lot more well. It's just getting you know perseverence perseverance. Perseverance and getting it. Just keep talking about it. And that's what I do on my show. You keep talking about this talking you just have to keep talking getting out there and more talking to more people and I think there's some dance group in Marine County too. So maybe we can contact them or clubs. Different social clubs around in there's tons in San Francisco. You know just to you know to any kind of social club that men and women come together. That can do that too. I mean there's really a plethora of information to to be able to spread the word Willie. I totally agree. Yeah we'll we'll we'll do your team you know. Well that's why thinking I will bring the PSA to the bay area trying to contact like organization like yours and find all these dense groups together and then let them Appeti- step and And hopefully the show the benefit. Oh Yeah I mean. There's lots of benefits. Not just one or two absolutely help. Healthier and happier seniors definitely big benefits and they go directly to the bottom line of you know healthier happier less money on depression less money for we spend two hundred twenty six billion dollars in caring dementia. Alzheimer's Disease. And two hundred twenty six billion dollars in these every one out of five dollars for Medicare goto the Alzheimer's care. There's no cure so you have a lot of caring and to hire people to facilitate count your home. My goodness and it will go even more. When when you go down to twenty fifty could go to one in every three dollars. We'll go there so see how much money if we didn't get cure but there's no guarantee neater so prevention is well dancing. Prevention is worth a pound of cure. Is that yeah? I mean and that's with anything really right and this is the good. Prevention is not lie. You have to be suffering fun you dancing. So so what? This is the best prevention program. You can't have you still not look early in the six o'clock in the morning and do your title or whatever enjoy your evening. I get up at four thing about it. What kind of activity? You have to make up finding new shoes dress yourself pretty and then you go and enjoy you. Enjoy your workout. This is really not just workout. You really a social events. You really enjoy it well. I think you've sold me when you're gonNA come to life dance. Well we will do a demonstration or you will do a demonstration and then I'll follow okay. We'll do that. I think we have a very good steps and I believe would help not only promoting tangle but also helping seniors have better posture. Well it's it's not just good for seniors. Yes good for anyone absolutely I take you about. You're absolutely right. I think a lot of us of sitting too much I know yeah and sitting way too much reading too much and and really hurt our spine and we can do some exercise this way with music. Of course yes yes. Did you bring any music? Oh no maybe we can. We can funnel it in you. Can you sing well? I did study classical. I like classical music with Terry years. I I studied but I I. I don't know I just try it too critical. My voice is the main interpretation of the basic. If you can sing I can dance with your singing together. Oh goodness so. Is there anything else that you'd like to share about your purpose in your passion on on this danced dancing and anything else that you WANNA share? Well I think the key here is to whoever moved. I mean if you if you think this is the right thing to do and don't be shy come out and dance and bring a friend or two MC. It happened in no sitting at home of talking about. It is not quite can do the job. You really have to come out and dance and you will find out for the action and you will find out it is the best activity not only for dementia but for a lot of other things benefits. Yeah well too bad. Your father didn't know about this but my parents. But like I said I give a plug today to Gracie. Ed That's right. I hope I like to hear that. Hopefully you know I mean I would imagine. They live in seniors centre. Yeah they should have some kind of dancing going on dates and I hope that they can be on your show next time and healthier hair up in Washington. I don't know if they WANNA be on. Tv Well I do. Sometimes I do dance with ladies like ninety six years ago and they dance very well. I'm sure it's people they denser anonymous. Give me yeah absolutely. Oh Gosh the other day. I was watching a video Of all these old time dancers well Fred Astaire and Ginger and boy talk about moves and they were actually. Somebody had a modern song and they had Tutti Garland Dancing Mickey Rooney and Fred astaire ginger Rogers and and all these famed they're all most of them are all gone but it's like they were. They had the steps perfect to the the the most current song you know. It was just fabulous. It was it was like four four and a half minutes long and they just had kept doing this and Shirley Temple and she she was Cincinnati. It says great. It's like dancing. Every pro capitalist yeah. You're happy absolutely you want to show off your health. He's showing off their health to the people around. You are actually. They say the best dancers is actually have the right attitude of performing arts for a few minutes. You actually not just dancing for the sake of movement but you're actually creating the art with your partner. Yes that's should be your body your body right. You're moving exactly you're communicating to the audience. You are Oh okay well. I guess it's time to Say thank you so much for being here. We're GONNA do a demonstration of course but I'm going to say I'm going to say do your and thank you very much share Shea. Do you use your being here and sharing and this is going to go out to the world as it goes out on Youtube so I to the demonstration absolutely. So that's what we're GONNA do next. Thank you for being all right thank you. Hi Everyone Today. I would like to share with you. A very simple step and that can help us have the stricter back and also get our spine. Little bit to step is like for the men is like you start with your you slide to the left and then you shift the weight and then you move start moving your ride lick to the front like a box to the top of the corner box and then you move your way to the top and that and also do a little the call Contra Body Movement. You're right you're left arm. Sin Can synchronize with your feet. And that way have little twists not great heart just a little subtle. And they're going to help us to get despite poor hours piling up a little bit and then we'll come back and you go to the other side to decide the corner and then by left foot to the top and now this time to move this way again when we squeeze make sure we don't have any gap between the I- The idea is would you squeeze this actually. Is Our back muscle doing the work? So we Swiss not only to the to the lakes but also push push our back up and little turned really help us to our back and spine. Shall we do it together? Certainly you just do exactly opposite and cameras. So that way we're gonNA share so for the lady we shit we got is the rice. I mean Google up and then we can this this way and then go down and then the other side we twist the collect go sideway and we go for twist a little bit. It's not that difficult in this. This is a stationary but when we have music all over the place yes when you get that rhythm absolutely twist subtle to help your back Starting to move really once you get the rhythm of it if we had some music we're just making our own put some background meals later. Cs definitely yeah. Okay okay thank you thank you and also it doesn't require that myspace if you want to be intimate you really have a very small space just this well. We weren't doing various more. Yeah just show. You can wait while you're waiting at the in line for the line. You can actually practice your step on your own so I tell step and we can all benefit from it. 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11-24-20 Native words to live by
"What from to native america calling from studio forty nine in albuquerque. I'm tara gatewood. Native languages are vitally important to native american culture. Once you know how to speak fluently or in short conversations or you just pick up a few words hearing yourself speak. The language of your ancestors is green experience in this hour. We'll talk with native language teachers about the importance of their language. You can even join in your favorite word or phrase in your native tongue. Discussion starts right after national native news. Stay tuned the national native news. I'm antonio gonzales. During the pandemic more and more doctors visits are going virtual and some people are avoiding clinics emma gibson reports that within the navajo nation. Women's healthcare is adapting as much as possible with infrastructure and as nature will allow when the pandemic i took hold in the navajo nation. People avoided the doctor because they were afraid of being exposed to the disease. Now after a short respite case numbers are surging again. Jennifer white hair is a women's health doctor practicing into the city. She's also a citizen of the nation. I think a lot of us have been surprised. We think of it as we're not seeing patients as often we would see more bad outcomes and we haven't really seen that dr white hair says she doesn't know why this is but guesses. More people are self treating unlike city doctors off tribal lands. She can't rely on the internet for a telehealth appointment. She's depending on phone calls. Patients monitoring their own blood pressure in some in person visits. We do recognize that there is going to be some minimal us. But we can't modify pregnancy during the pandemic she says she's proud of her community and their willingness to wear masks to protect others just outside the nation in flagstaff. Arizona masks have become highly politicized for national native news. I'm gibson a south dakota teacher says while the stay has helped we've in curriculum about american indian history more can be done. Mike mohan reports a report last year from the national congress of american indians noted. Twenty seven states don't even mention native americans and their k. Through twelve curriculum but a majority of states surveyed said. They're trying to improve their lessons. Leslie crow who teaches on the rosebud. Indian reservation sees positive movement and south dakota but she worries. Many students aren't getting the whole story. All students need to understand that way. You know non natives can also appreciate our culture and would also be more empathetic to our culture in the way of life that we've that was taken from us grow says. She attended public schools and didn't learn much about our people's history until she transitioned to a tribal school. The state department of education didn't respond to a request for comment before deadline. But in twenty. Seven south dakota passed a law that required the development of content on the history behind the region's chimes crow. Who also is a member of the south dakota education association as part of the difficulty is getting enough staff to carry out the lesson plans and ways that students can absorb the information she thinks. If administrators encouraged more teachers to embrace the curriculum their students might have greater appreciation for the contributions or native americans. Air comes a lot of good things that are people known have like our way of life is really truly sacred and there's a lot of all these good things that really help. Our people survive. One example of teachers taking the initiative is in rapid city where a handful of educators have each been assigned roles to fully integrate the curriculum across the district. That was mike mohan reporting the cheyenne river sioux tribe enacted a shelter in place. Order monday for the community of eagle butte. south dakota due to rising cova nineteen cases. The cheyenne river. Youth project helps sir families before the order was in place with three curbside distributions last week which included fresh produce home-cooked meals and turkey. Boxes produce dinners were also given out earlier in the fall. The cheyenne river youth project is a grassroots organization dedicated to helping young people on the reservation. The shelter in place order is expected to last through the middle of next week. I'm antonio gonzalez. National native news is produced by cohen broadcast corporation for funding by the corporation for public broadcasting support by the association of american indian physicians and the samsa opioid response network working across the nation to address the opioid crisis in tribal communities information and support at a p dot org support by the center for indigenous cancer research at roswell park comprehensive cancer center dedicated to cancer research medicine and cancer care for indigenous population. The no charge online risk assessment tool is available at roswell park dot org slash. Assess me native voice one. The native american radio network businesses native america calling. I'm taraji would this hour. We are celebrating native languages and language learning today. We want to hear you speak the beauty of your native language. What words do you enjoy saying or their words or phrases that are simply just fun to say and is there a set of words in your language that have helped you in your daily life or face challenging times for me if were to pick one that has a lot of meaning to me. It would be the e which is good day and that alone. You know. it's a word and and i know this. It works this way in a lot of our different native languages. Where there's a word but when you start putting it into the context and really understanding its full. Meaning there's a lot in so this word gluco. It's talking about life the entire day when there's light and also in there's moonlight and so just thinking about when we have reverence for our day and think about it being in a good way or our mission or steps to try and make a good day that also talks about our place in all of this and so you know when you think of these different words in your language. They're more than just that one little word. They opened a lot there. A doorway to understanding and of course who we are as indigenous people part of our density. Even our names when we speak of our names. If you're able to speak them in public They mean a lot and then when we think about how they applied her life they mean even more and so today we wanted to take it one word at a time one phrase it a time and for you. What is the set of words or single word. That is kinda sad doorway. The one you enjoy saying that one that you taught the smallest person in your family how to say maybe it was their first word. We want to hear from you today. Dial in and share your favorite word or phrase in your language and if you're learning your language are you learning words that don't have an easy translation to english. Those are welcome to give us a call. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight is a number speak your language. Were ready for it. Thanks for joining us and also thank you to our first kiss. Who is joining us today. Out of bemidji. Minnesota we michael lyons. He is the creator of boo. Nana buju writer. He's also a writer and illustrator a series of ojibwa language children's books and he is from the leech lake band of old gibb way. Michael my pleasure to have you here with us or another native america calling. Please feel free to share that beautiful language of yours and greet the people boo Yeah mike aligns conditioned. 'cause michael lyons is my name and When i was thinking about a good phrase earlier i was going to Share the phrase. I love you Just because it's a powerful statement giza got but During your introduction. You reminded me that. When i do my podcast. I have a youtube show. That has jimbo word of the day. Sometimes i'll pray in a job way at the beginning so good phrase if you wanna pray in a way is kitchen on a do the guy we do coalition get you do is great spirit. That guy means please. We do go. Ishin helped me get you onto dude that guy we do coalition as sometimes just saying that much well kind get you in the right frame of mind or connection to the great spirit into michael even that what you just shared in. It's fun to hear people speak their language. It's it's empowering even if it isn't your own language and hearing these words and michael when you think of the ability to say these words what is really connecting to it. Connects mate ancestors certainly You know Not just talked on the podcast that you know a lot of this stuff. It's not like the great spirit doesn't understand english when he's not out to You know catch people mispronouncing or doing things wrong but sometimes Speaking the language connects me with like my ancestors ancestors like the spirit world away to the ancestors who didn't speak english but then also Just to my personal story like My grandfather would teach me jubilee languages so when i was a little kid i knew how to say coffee and the gibb way and then i also learn something about the culture. With the language so in the jubilee toffee is mucketty muskie wa boo and that means black medicine water so i remember i remember my grandfather telling me when i'm like six years old. He goes. well you know another language. We call that medicine water. You know black medicine water because it makes you feel good. It's medicine you know when you learn a little. You know it's okay. So medicine means more than just aspirin. Things better in going back to that. When you're little you're hearing these different words and of course you know how we make sense of the world is little people in and you know those connections or even being able to say those words and talk like the elders varies a lot of -ment in that too in michael you are you know. You're tapping into that Group of our citizens of our tribal nations younger people with buju and when you are choosing words to highlight or You know thinking of the dialogue and you know that this is geared toward a younger audience but we adults we love it too You know when you are choosing those words what goes through your mind you know. That's kind of part of the journey that it's been Before i started doing The podcast and teaching jubilee language on youtube I had a comic strip that started to get some notice online because it taught language but the thing was for thirty years before that comic strip. I had been going down every avenue trying to make a name for myself as an artist or musician or something and nothing you know. There's zero interesting until i started teaching the language. And then it kinda reconnected with you. Know the creator and it's almost like speaking the language. I almost feel like i'm being guided so i never script anything when i do my show. Sometimes this go on or bushel go on and for the listeners. The papa joe he'll go on and he'll say get you wanna do that guy. we do. Coalition mininum go. Great spirit helped me to speak well today and then he'll just start riffing and pretty soon he's telling. The story of dances with wolves should have been called. john dunbar. Got an indian name. And it's a really funny Kinda retelling of a movie that everyone has seen. but then there's lessons and some language in it And lessons about culture. You know about getting indian names what that means and stuff. And i'll get done and i'll be like where did that come from. You know like it is. It feels sort of inspired. And sometimes they go. Well maybe the ancestors are just gonna nudging me in a certain way. Like i mean it sounds crazy but sometimes even like the jokes and stuff all does coming to me at the last minute and go is that my grandpa means. Then you start with those dad jokes and you know Michael i understand that nana buju is also on hand. I'm wondering what his take is on all this. Can you ask him speak thome. Yeah put him on not come over here they want us for high khokar boys you going all. I can't believe around native. America calling. And all you sound just like terry gross. Well none of those you what do you think about all this. Do you have a favorite word teaches. The you know the word. I always say at the end of the show is geico album in manila in english. That means i will see you again because in our way we never say goodbye. That's an english word. Means god be with you or something but in the indian way we always said i will see you again because we knew even if it was in the spirit world. We'll see each other and you don't say goodbye. Say eagle albumin mental. Minwa thank you. Thank you nona buju and i know we got a lot of speakers out there go ahead and just give them a message in your beautiful novel. Moen actually can. I have my girlfriend doshisha. Yes make it a partial of my coast and we wanna compare Let's see what you got kedah. Hello everyone and I None of booze we name o'shane sweetheart we're name o'shane and a way means sweetheart. Wow weenie machine. I like that. And how do you say it in your language in one. Eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight and a touchdown go ahead. Give us some more of that beautiful language and anything you want to tell your community i just want to say i love you gig. I will see you again. Thank you so much. Well you two are a pack of fun and michael. If people want to meet up with them where do they find them I have a facebook page and a youtube page an instagram. That has almost daily five to ten minute Boy words of the day puppet podcasts and So you can just kinda you know. Google non not a boo. And or you know. There's i've been doing it for about three years. So a lot of people see it while i'm trying to find a word so we will me our facebook. How you do that and Watch the show right on. Well michael is here with the full hour a believe none of buju in attaches here to you. Want to talk to him. Dial in one eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight or celebrating our languages one word one phrase at a time. It's your turn call. Which saw which i guess songs to What words are meaningful to you and Speak them share them. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight. We are ready for your calls. Go ahead and dial in now. 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I'm tara gatewood from here with the and we are celebrating native languages today and hearing some of our favorite words and phrases in our own languages. And what is your favorite word or phrase that you like to say Just maybe a word. That's just fun to and you finally got your tongue around it and you'd like to share how great you're doing call us. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight. Four eight is the number. We're gonna move on over to mashpee massachusetts. We have camille madison with us. She is a linguist and teacher for the womp not og language reclamation project and she is from the dog tribe of gay head or an equa- our pleasure to have her here Thank you for being with us. Camille and please feel free to further introduce yourself. The touch won t suck camille madison on quietness and look on my talk. One hundred one nine pie my seat yet. Good days ellison's it's a pleasure on could be with you today My name is camille madison And i am a member of the you. Walk out of gay head a quick But i reside in mashpee where i teach at We don't talk. Which is the leader. More school It's a story primary and elementary school Yeah and i'm happy to be here with you off a little bit about what we're doing. Well the mill. It's a pleasure to hear your beautiful language to and for you. What's floating to the top of the list of words that you connect to or phrases things that dumb that you feel real strong about then similar to what michael said previously. I initially thought of the words for. I love you which is cool. Mona sh but as you were speaking. I began to think about the word. And which is a traditional greeting here. means you are in the light one of my favorite words there and you know when when we take these words and just kind of highlight them or single them out or put a little spotlight on them that and then when we start weaving them into the language they open up more in camille. When you think about the power of these different words or even causing us to think of In object or something or an action in in seeing that it's it's got so much connection to our native philosophy or even just understanding. How sounds are made in the breath that is breathed into these different words in for you when you think of them as more than just words what do you think of You know it's just a feeling. I feel like for me. It's really been feelings of gratitude Failings of love and light. I i feel kind of overwhelmed in some in some respects When i began to look at the deeper meaning of the different words like colby coffin which is used to good morning right but it. It's it's a traditional greeting and it and it doesn't just mean good morning you know that english thing it really means you are literally in the like you know And so i would say more for me Just a feeling of gratitude. That i'm in this place right now in this moment and i'm able to greet my my brothers and sisters and you know all my relatives and in this way It's just a really beautiful failing and Yeah just kind of inexpressible you know. and especially coming from the the way in which we playing the language you know we. We don't have a a speaker that is you know i forget what you call it but you know what Speaking speaking from the time they were born. You know this is something that we had to Our found one of our co Had to go back to school for To standardize the language basically And just from understanding You know that work and you know how how this all came together for us that we're here today speaking there's just tremendous gratitude for The work that you know. Jessie little doe has done In addition to all the other woman linguists that we work with on just really Really grateful and i think this goes into when we hear elder say that these these words he's words are alive in and i guess we're getting an invitation to dance with him and camille. You know things don't translate in as a language teacher. What are your thoughts to not even try and force them into an english understanding and saying okay push that all aside and let this be how you understand this word. Let it be what it is. Do you ever get to that point. And what about you if you gotta take on that call right now. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight go ahead commu. Yeah absolutely There are times in which you know. We're wondering you know. Can this be translated or you know. What does this mean in english. And there's just times where it's just like no. This isn't the same you know it's not. It's not the same thought process. It's not the same you know. There's not the thing semantic and I think about that largely in a sense you know. We look at the documents from our ancestors who translated bible which is the largest Body of written documents on this continent And in the end if you can explain But in the bible. There's the word for chief. Baku among which in english since it would mean hell right. And if you're a christian you know what the hell is the ever lasting fire burning. You know in cold But in our language it's not that she is the word that's you can place of. How but it does not mean the thing. It's not the same understanding what we'd come to understand that that meaning is the place of the mt skull we believe that our heart in mind and spirit what we're all in our head and What's the worst that could happen to us is to lose a heart to lose our to lose our way And not know you who we are and not. Is she by alma. That's you know the place of the skull and so that's one of the main example That i can get when you talk about except trying to make that translation from english to our or vice versa. Yeah in you know. There's a lot of that goes on in our different languages. In maybe this story that community shared or what she just shared remind you of conversation. You had with someone who was language speaker. Gifting you this knowledge or inviting you to this knowledge and there is You know a phrase or word or or you want to set the record straight. Everybody thinks this word means this but it doesn't we'll take your calls to call in share your language one eight hundred nine six two eight. Four eight is the number and camille. What is the value of knowing. Just one word at a time know the value in just one. We're out of time. I believe is just an honoring. Our ancestors I think the fact shift really. The the meat of the matter is that our ancestor. Who last spoke this language fluently Who had to stop you. Know due to colonization Were forced to stop Just speaking whether it's yes or no the keys or awesome mata Is is the honoring of our anti enough. You know it is in you know a lot of times. When people are learning the language those are the steps that they take Or know learning the language and there are certain words. And then if you have the opportunity to listen to You know people speaking fluently in the language in does it feel when you get to that point you hearing maybe your relatives or your elders or leaders talk in. They're speaking the language fluently. And then you get to that point where. There's that one word that one word you know really well and it's kind of like all of a sudden you get where this conversation is going or what they're connecting to. What does that feel like. Call me tell me one. Eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight and camille anything you want to share about. You know passing on the language and encouraging when somebody just knows one word yeah i always make points to tell all the students that i teach Whether they're elders or small children If to packers as much as possible And continue even if it ship holding onto you know this that one word to say yes or no or thank you whatever it is you know i think shifts so valuable to hold on and pass on to our children and so that they have something to look to to learn And continue to carry on all right. Well there we go. We have two languages going on while three has shared some of mindshare yars one eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight. We now turn to eagle river alaska. We have Glenn she is the executive director of the arctic slope community foundation. She is a new back from the arctic slope region. Our pleasure to have her here for took welcome and please feel free to further introduce yourself. Thank you Policy not talk to see greetings to everyone who's listening any back My name is put on indra from the arctic slope region and I feel like many times. I have to introduce myself and say my parents are richard and arlene glenn out of a sign of respect To my parents who who gave me life and so that others Who may know them. Know where i came from and Makers say they heard richard and arlene glenn star on the radio I i'm the executive director for the arctic slope community foundation and It's a new role that i've taken and over the course of my career. I've been very fortunate to hold various positions. That have allowed me to learn more of my own language yvette and also And also be able to carry out projects utilising technology to help others learn the language as well and and even You know on my personal social media accounts. I tried to use the language as much as possible to help other language learners We we're in a really amazing time in the world. I mean you know besides covid nineteen but there's so much technology there's so much social media out there that we can utilize To help us with Learning language in reclaiming a lot of the things of our heritage to to strengthen us. I mean it. It's really quite easy to just pick up your phone and face timing elga or you know. Send a text and say it's just the way it spell it or how do you say this or you know there's even An app where you can go in and search either. Eat that word or an english word And find the translation of those. And so i mean you don't even in multiple languages and we have it in any so there's so many different resources That we can use to help us our language. And i just have to say that i I'm very thankful for all of the teachers. I've had along the way. Because without their patience and encouragement. I i really Wouldn't have any knowledge of the language of my emphasis you know and i'm really thankful for all of those people that have taken the time to to teach me and You know. I think all of us language learners. It's it's something that We need to be mindful of that. They're these people these knowledge barriers that are willing to share what it sounds like. Then they've given you a whole lot and took when you think of you know the different words that you have picked up. Would you like to share today. Introduces to some more in the back. I would say There's there's a couple of words that come to mind teak of salad and Keep going you go and do that. Smart teacups out. And keep and that's been a a word that encouraged me over the years and then also Cover repair which means that's the way it is I it's hard to you know. Would you have these words your leg which it's hard to describe them in english sometimes like even for example my my name. It's a short five matter words but it it translates to something like it's it's Translates to the frost. That accumulates on your parker rough from your breath short you bet with long english translation. You know but. I think that you know the more that you learn your language men can really become connected to who you are and who your ancestors because these words have so much meaning and It really describes the world around us the way that you live your environment a how you live and It's like it's so much easier and faster than using multiple english words. Describe these things right. Yes in particular model. Let you invite more people into this conversation. If you'd like to in your language tell him to call in and share their favorite word. Oh man i don't know how to say call in any back. But i do want to encourage anybody in everybody to to call in and say their favorite words i think. Many times there's There's a little bit of severe when speaking and You know learning something. New is is not always easy. It's sometimes painful. It's it's it's a challenging thing sometimes hurts to learn you know but i want to encourage everybody listening that you know. You don't need to be afraid Learning is sometimes painful but keep going keep trying and Stay motivated it can be tough. But that's just the nature of of what learning you know. Yes and you know we grow from that. I'm glad you said that all right. We're ready for your calls. One eight hundred nine six two eight. Four eight is the number. We got some language teachers here with us. We have been introduced to the job. Language want dog in new york. Add to this list today. Share your thoughts here your language because you're speaking with us today look forward to it and again. We are taking a look at our native languages. Maybe there's something that you enjoy saying And maybe even you learned a word and you were so excited to go back to your elder and waiting for that moment where you could throw it out and see them light up or make him stop in their tracks. Share your thoughts. We're looking for your stories to one. Eight hundred nine six two eight four eight is number and if we have any kids in the audience and there's a language there's a word you wanna tell us call in ask permission but colin phone lines are open support for journalism that raises the awareness of child. Well being to citizens. And to policymakers provided by the annie e. casey foundation building a brighter future for children families and communities information at eighty. Cf dot org support for this show provided by canyon records producer of our carlos. Nakai is newest album of native american flute music. Nocturne nocturne is available at amazon. I tunes and canyon records dot com. Thank you for joining us today. Here on native america calling and maybe you are speaker of your language in. You'd like to share some words that you think everyone in your community should know what are the words to really live by in your language. Call now our phone lines are open. We are sharing the beauty of her native languages today. One eight hundred nine six two eight. Four eight is a number one. Eight hundred nine nine native is also how you get in partook. Glenn is here with us today. And she is an speaker learner and lover Our pleasure to have her here and particular mention using technology. Understand that you both consume and us tiktok to share your language. Tell me a little bit about that. Oh yeah so You know when he would take craigslist back in february or march. I decided to get a tiktok account Because my daughter had when my daughter's sixteen and so she taught me how to use it. You know it was really opportunities to have a and and so i begin to create videos Many about our culture our language and I was kind of shocked so many people were interested in. It was like overnight. I ended up with a hundred thousand followers but You know i. I had a lot of young ladies Reach out to me thinking me for sharing our culture and and you know sticking up for who we are because There there's quite a bit of people that don't agree with our way of life and no our language but you know by using social media. We can normalize this. We can Take popular trend and translate them into our language. I mean i've even learned a little bit of The navajo language by lighting. That my favorite Novela word lie. I learned that from tiktok. You know ed I feel like there's there's all of these tools that Anybody can use anybody can access and the more people that the more indigenous people that use these things and create content and share The stronger we can all become. And so yeah i encourage everybody to check out tiktok. It's lot of fun you. You may Watching tv altogether. And there's a lot going on there and you know what. I gotta call her again. If you wanna join us one eight hundred nine nine six two eight. Four eight is the number. We got an attack on the line calling in from chicago. Vic bear aka barrow there in alaska tuned in on. Kaby are w thanks for calling ahead. You're on air. Hello and i know you also go by doreen. Doreen are you there. Okay let's get doreen underlying while we do that. I wanna go ahead and go To another speaker. Who's joining us today. Out of albuquerque mexico. We have dr melva with us today with a cheat. She is an assistant professor of linguistics at the university of new mexico and director of the navajo language program. She is dna our pleasure to have her here Melva welcome hi. Thank you feel free to further. Introduce yourself share that beautiful language. okay. I'm glad to be here today. So be a brief introduction. I e melva saying this year for not business long. 'cause they treat me buses chain one son chhay door. She doesn't another adult back. Cascade ena show though a Us so how did that the know that shift on quite thank you. Thanks for being here and we are eager to hear your thoughts on the important of language in those words. That mean a lot to you and melissa hearing that it's possible for the speaker to pick up navajo. I wanted to hear what you were thinking on that. I think that's wonderful. I think it's wonderful to Be able to You know here and learn each other's languages and that's one of the One of the greatest things about social media that we can do this and you know and see that you know. Native americans have a very rich a linguistics history and they have that rich language that they can use in when we wake it up. Oh boy we start running real fast. You know what we got our caller back. Let's go ahead and say hi. Tina tuck who is on the line. Thanks for calling go ahead. you're on air. Hi thank you One newtalk which calvin them. I am that my name is new. Talk and My name is doreen and from. What bec- samuel. Simmons and martha are my parents and my step. Mom is Hester i am. I would like to tell. Everyone about louis samson from concert area who did an article on on language such an excellent article To hear it People would be uplifted to try and learn the language and i would also encourage language speakers. Take time to talk the language. It takes more time. It's easier to speak in english. Two or english speaking children and grandchildren but it takes time to save an independent and then say it in english or vice versa. Thank you for having me on the show. Well thank you for calling in and you know just thinking of the resources because that's a lot of times people are wondering you know how how do we. How do we jump into this. How do we understand this. In any time. Somebody wants to share resource. We appreciate it. Thank you for your call We got another caller on the line. Tom is insistent. South dakota listening in on k. ex s w. Tom thinks reaching out. Go ahead you're on air. Oh that We're dakota speakers here in assistant so see Thomason monkey yuppie and my question is for all the all languages especially everyone. That's you have on. The air already is does nato slang hurt the actual native language. Okay and tom deeming kind of like when we english a mop or tell me a little bit more tr- leaving like even the english words like being traditional they just say tradit- or you know the Padania which means thank you. Here we are. We see a lot of people like post on facebook. Pete combs you know. They don't see the whole word. Does that hurt the language good question and melissa I don't think it hurts. The language I think it's one of the Funds things to do with language to play with the language and to use it in different ways to express a different atheist. Kinda goes to when we think of you know in order to play with it. You gotta know where it's coming from. The though too you know in order to make that joke hit even harder What do you think of that melva. Yeah of course you have to know a little bit more. Know a lot. More about the language Perhaps you might Have to be a speaker to be able to you know. Make those jokes. Create those jokes And then to To get other people and then the other things that you would only be able to express that are most likely be able to share that with other speakers of the language You know going back to what we heard earlier from camille of hard translation. The jokes and you always hear that. Is you know it's so much. Funnier in the language But melissa tell us what words do you like to connect to give us some navajo so Our dna language It's such a beautiful language. It's hard to choose one word. But i do have a a word that's A favorite The word is she has you it translates to you. Know kyle literally my little one though. It's a term what we call like a term relationship term that you want us to Address your kid your child so rather than saying You know calling your child's by their name by you know by their english name You at say she has to them instead and And greet them and talk to them. And that way you know This is a favorite term because It's a term that we here because we're all children It's a term that we eventually will miss hearing from our own parents And it's also a term that we use to like. I mentioned before that we used to greet our children This term according to my mother's teaching it means a whole lot more than the english translation of. I love you to you truly want to express your love on. He went used these terms the relationship terms rather than the translated version of word. Or i love you in in the word that you're using to describe this guy Tell me about that. One means Relatives you know relationships so you you know so your relationship from let's see for example for me to my child From myself to my mother for myself to a grandmother to a sibling to my brother or sister. So there's different terms For that and now the whole just like i. You know use different terms in english in melville when you are teaching the language What kind of conversations happen about the weight. Just one word can carry. Well let me see about the way that just one word carries so when we bring culture into the classroom. That's when the you know certain vocabulary words it starts to when we're discussing them in class it starts to me. Start to see Like the other meanings it might have for example culturally right but a lot of the navajo words that we do need to whole language There's we also noticed that certain verb forms and navajo Carry a certain a verb stem for example. It might have a meaning once specific meaning. But then you'll see that same stem appear in other verb forms but then we'll have a different meaning so kind of conversations. Take place when students ask. But this word looks like this word also do they. Why how why are they meanings different. So then we go into discussion about that or they might of heard a term perhaps at home or used online somewhere that they don't quite understand and so you know you have to kind of bring the cultural content into is talking about that word anything. When do that these words really become a part of you even stronger. What do you think one eight hundred nine nine native. let's take another call. We got tony in rosebud. South dakota tuned in on koa twenty. Thanks for reaching out your on air. Oh you're to whole lot lower royal taking in limb introduce myself as a circling eagle my Traditional name and i went to people to understand the language while you know what you're giving us a good gift today. Tony and anything else. You wanna leave us with and you can even share more of your language. Yes i try be really losing our language and even in the like here on this radio station. They play songs. that I made up in english words. And that's all they play and we have a office in iran rose. But that's supposed to be protecting our language and they're not saying anything about it and and all that traditional songs with all the words in it. I never played because i think the. Dj's don't understand the language so they just stick to the one with english words in them and the schools are supposed to be teaching the language and they also are not paying anything because They're rather here's a new. This words danda. Lakota worried that has more meaning in our culture and they need to start Teaching the radio stations. And you wouldn't the churches here. All the minister is adele. Speaking lakota. in students don't even understand a lot of things they're saying because they don't understand tony when we start infusing in all these different spaces i think you definitely see a change in I'm reminds me of some of the folks from the ponti nation and talking about doing that and just seeing. How much came about by doing that. And it's interesting what we do to keep our languages alive and strong and melva invitation from spongebob in what were some of the word. Spongebob wanted to know so that he could share. Go ahead let's see There was Trying to remember. There's one word he Wanted to know if imagination Which honestly i'm still working on translation because The different phrases. That i came up with to to Describing imagination just wasn't quite capturing imagination. That one was a bit challenging but he has other things that he wanted to translate. It like is mayonnaise and instrument without translate. Be smell it. That mel the kind of smelly smell a smelly smell. That smells meli. What a challenge in mill with the if people wanna learn about that project. I'm sorry around time but you translated for spongebob. Where do they find it. You can find them on their. Spongebob official mean page on instagram. All right well you know what maybe we need to pick up where we left off next time. Thanks again folks. We really appreciate you sharing your language. And if you'd like to share this show you can find it. In archives at native america calling dot com. Thank you to everybody. We heard from lien's camille madison Glenn in melva chee as well as nana buju and natasha tomorrow. We hope you'll join us. We're gonna get into a discussion about the legacy of the mayflower and so-called benefits giving. I'm your host tara. Gatewood thanks again. We'll meet you here tomorrow. How many takia picky keep your family and community safe this flu season. Get your flu shot. Encourage others to get. 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The Beatles' White Album: the band, the artist, the dealer. Plus, art in Dubai
"Yeah. East coast to you in this OC with Bonhams auctioneers since seventeen ninety three with expertise in more than sixty categories of collecting, it specialists will connect you with your passion. Find what defines you at Bonhams dot com. Hello and welcome to the newspaper put cursed. I'm Ben Luke this week. We're discussing the art behind one of the greatest downs of all time. The opponents nine hundred sixty eight by the Beatles, which is fifty years old almost to the day. But of course, hardly anyone calls the Beatles. And the reason they don't is due to its revolution recover designed by the British artist. Richard Hamilton this week. Our initial focus is the white album the whiteout when was the follow up to sergeant pepper the nineteen sixty seven album that Kenneth Tynan a critic at the times in London described as a decisive moment in the history of western civilization. No pressure, then and the designer of the cover hadn't equally formidable task in following up. The forget about colors by Peter Blake and John Howarth the during the cover sergeant pepper Hamilton's response was to do a blank white cover. But there's a lot more to it than that later. I'll be speaking to the right of Harriet Viner about Robert Fraser, the art dealer who linked the art and music world in the sixties. But I I went to take Britain. To to to Andrew Wilson senior curator of Martin and contemporary art at the Tate and also the author of an essay in the new super deluxe edition of the white album. We spoke about Hamilton and how he approached this momentus task. Andrew I of who was Richard Hamilton, Richard hamsters, probably one of most significant parties in this country time in the in the sixties. But actually, he was the papa's. Didn't he define Papa? Sense. He did. Through through his work with the independent roof at the institute of contemporary arts London in the early fifties. Mid fifties, defines applause. As something popular in federal. But he didn't really define. He defined popular culture as a subject Messer for for for autists for nonsense work very much at the time. When subject matter was quite cool sense of fine, aunt, popular culture. But Blake ocher being quite derided and marginalizing note by autism object the every day, and he some of his contemporaries to convey, very different view, and it was very much about thinking about culture in using say, the tone, the critic Lawrence Alloway coins Vallone fronts of couch, and so everything existed on a continuum find out and will less popular culture, and the everyday all on the same level, and you wouldn't. Apply. A sense of aesthetic judgments to any of these. Categories along that continuum you'd rather appliance with critical judgments, it was about what things meant, and what they did rather than in the sense how they made you feel. This stage is well there's a really crucial connection with this emerging phenomenon which is conceptual. I mean, two years earlier Hamilton it reconstructed do shows large glass for an exhibition here in this building the Tate Gallery seems to me fairly crucial thing that conceptual. Lot was becoming very very significant development in. I mean, it is nothing conceptual often quite misunderstood that somehow being apart from ours. And actually conceptual was about making that connection with the every day that ought to closeness to life. And that closeness was something again that needed to be critically examined and do show was really key figure in all of that. Because in a sense his nomination of sessional Jake's as ready made. Is about engaging with the every day in a way, you know, in engaging with the unaesthetic as well. It was really really important which brings us very neatly onto a very anesthetic album cover or is it the white album. Can you can tell me what Hamilton's idea was for this record? I think in in the sense of ways that the store is often told it's it's. It's a design concept almost born ounce of fair the previous album for the Beatles. Nineteen sixty seven such Pat. Has an ovum covering the design concept was formed very much by Peter Blake and John house, and for many people to find the Beatles in in a maybe retro nostalgic kind of aim but very much of that period. Nineteen sixty seven some review of and this was the album and the album cover that defined. And so when the company first approached Richard Hamilton's, do this. I think his first response was I called talk. What what Peter and John have done in a it's it's like it's beyond fast com woke tonight, and then thinking well due to complete minimum do the complete opposite. But apparently the complete minimum. And let's do something really outrageous, which is to. Covered the album provide a jacket for the album, which should just white. It is the most absurd thing in mentionable when I thought to think about the the biggest band in the world at that time, the Beatles should have new album the double album is the first to be released by deriving labeled pull. Should be just in Weiss. And there's no distinguishing Mark effectively a tool he toyed we've Mina distinguishing marks didn't he got? There are other ideas and just a pure what cover initially one was an I'm not sure if it was exactly poor Little Richard who came up with the idea may be putting a coffee mug and the coffee mug sane on the cover or another was to bounce an apple. So you get that. So the popey aptly kind of creamy greeny white skids on the cover that I think very quickly. It was just seeing those sorts of ideas run in might connect detour roaches, well, whose friend of of Richards, and he's chocolate stained letters, exactly exactly it's all connected. But, but I think those those sorts of ideas become a bit try to little bit hack needs. And also, you know might look good if you were just doing it. But then having to reproduce it many millions of times, I think it would end up looking not as good as the idea, but the main the main the main defining month. That's that's on the white white out them Seve is was the idea to number to apply serial number take number so as it's being printed. It would be the last thing that the the the sheets are called go through the numbering system number up to well, I nobody quite knows how many millions. That's what they were ten presses over the world that would be juicy each beginning with one account that's one account, right? The myths of. But this is a really crucial aspect to this idea that Hamilton had which he said he was since it was a joke about designing album cover that was going to be reproduced millions of times that would have a number on it like a tiny poetry press. Yeah. I mean, I think really does connect to that sense of. Exclusivity? Hi, aesthetic pretention. But at the same time, this sense of real individuality is well, and sort of personal connections. Something said the number faith defines, the reach in the sense. Of the Beatles. They all the biggest ban. They have the biggest fan based around the world and the number in the senses reflection. Thatcher many millions, and so it's huge. And if you buying a copy of the album at the time in November, sixty eight you take this home with you and she'd see this large number, but at the same time, it would be the number. You had will be utterly personal to you one that essentially you owning an original artwork. Brilliant conceit of Hamilton's. She owning. Because if we're took about a conceptual idea that is the world, and you have a numbered version of this work now for sure I think five is was very much key to his thinking with with with with this design concepts. It was a conceptual work. It was not worth. He he has an artist. As did numbers of his contemporaries, they gauged with popular culture as a subject, but here Richardson gauging with poplar coacher both as subject, but as popular cut this is one of the it's one of those wreck from saver moments. Where? Actually acts as popular culture, the actually cooled the Beatles. Which was also Richard site here. But I think too many other records where real title that people. Hold to them is is actually a description of the design of the cover for the outfit. What was standing in front of now is a print that Hamilton made much later actually in two thousand seven which is simply could Beatles. But it is that original artwork that he did for the poster in the whiteout. Yeah. It is drawn from the original arts were at the callers that was produced to produce the post in an addition of many millions. He then after refunding the colors. The was it offered an opportunity to him to produce producer poster, and he originally intended it because obviously if you produce something that's going to be printed in an edition of many millions of printing presses set around the world that can become from ISIS, and you lose a sense of control of the finish of the poster. And so in two thousand seven he resolved to do it in an addition of eighty as a final print ordinarily the poster that came with the White House on the fan was maybe look at REUs at while listening to the music look at the pictures, turn it over. Read the lyrics tweet song in and it's part of the experience of listening to the to to to the music. It wouldn't be put behind a match in a frame and hang in the gallery, necessarily, it might be pinned to the wall. It might be blue tons of the wool. But that's also different kinds of context. One of the really striking things standing in front of it. Now, he's how beautiful this and how incredibly faithfully reproduces the kind of ages of all these different elements of the so it feels almost like a relief print. Can you describe some of the things we're looking at? Okay. So. We're looking at the poster the prince of the poster and shows images of the Beatles. Images. A not just from the late sixes from the time of the White House them some of them, go way back to Hamburg said the really early days of the Beatles. But they're very few individual images of the Beatles together as a group, you know, you've got so imagine that this is actually folded we're looking at something that's on folded here, and originally it would have been folded, it would have been folded centrally and also for his own sleet twice to create in the sense nine severance images. And I think Richard in conceiving the design for the for the post of for the caller. Was very much thinking about the experience of taking it out of the sleeve and thinking about how one cumulatively unfold the post, and so the image would be seen. I as in the first image. You'd see would be an immature a top left of the poster which is an image of pool with his head in a ball with soapy water around him can imagine lots of young Beatles fans hearts fluttering that image and the next that is very kind of blue. It's a blue light image of John Lennon singing into a microphone, maybe taken off a TV screen say you've got these different kinds of images. That quite s-. Secrets but also some of them are of the Beatles performing, and so you see through as you on fold images of the band is individuals come together as as as the group and in this Richard didn't make this. Poster having listens to the album was being recorded at the time. This being mixed was being you hadn't read. His his his. Approach to this was very much described trying to create a new kind of image of the world's most popular bands in to do something that is so against what the music company little too narrowly die publicy office would necessarily done. Have lovely anecdotes about this one of them is that McCartney spent a week with Hamilton in his Highgate studio. So today overseeing this watching this process, and it sounds like from what McCartney's descriptions that? He was quite racked. He was he was slightly all of Hamilton's image making abilities. No, I think the, you know, pull is of of the full Basil's the one who is the most involved in the design projections him that organized with Robert Fraser, and it was him the organized going to the Beatles to get to saw these photographs. The. Formed the basis of of the callers, and he was very very very involved. He he owned work find by Hamilton. He knew new robot phrase he'd been he'd helped hang. I think the laws that sufficient of that Hamilton had rub phrases gallery. So he was very infringed by the old world, and, you know, robot phrase fair him, very important figure instead of opening is is to certain kinds of out just as. Miles and John Dunbar vindicate gallery where I've had been opening McCartney's. Highs over say, you know, sort of. Should the von card seen as it will? Now, I'd like to return to the to the cover again and one last detail which is the boss lettering, which spells out the Beatles. I've heard differing reports about. But some say Hamilton wasn't involved that it was actually McCartney's idea. But also others say that Hamilton most directly involved in it was him sort of skewed that all dangle. What's your understanding of it? My understanding is rather different to that. I think initially I'm from the hadn't seen it. You know, you hadn't he'd missed elements of of what happened to his design because certainly he was interviewed not long before he died, and he quite clearly states the that wasn't by him. And he only sources and acts of vandalism against the purity of the design concept that he'd had full the album that wouldn't reveal the identity of what was inside the white covers. But it's kind of interesting as well for if I'm picks site. Well, who did that on? I think it was probably the music company wanting a sense of. Identification in sleight you calm since since this is the biggest band in the world. And yet there's nothing. No indication whatsoever. That it's the Beatles. We've got to have that it is the type of mind. The band. I'm the the records, and it has to be there on somewhere on the on the album cover and working with Hamilton sort of Omay says as it were the in between person between Hamilton directly comfy was the autism. Gordon house who had words all say with with Peter Blake and chime house on certain aspects of the of the sergeant pepper album, cover sorting out some of the type typographical design. And I have a feeling the. Gordon houses probably charged with the job of adding an identification to the cover the. Wouldn't. Disrupt the purity of Richards. Design concept, which. It's it's it's a little bit side. The fact is the case, but because what that also identifies is the degree to which. The music company had a certain kind of control if that my my my projection on knob is is is tree because one of the glorious things for Richard working on this project was frankly, he could get away with anything in the idea of having the white how the white cover is very much pardon for. Otar narrowly. It'd be it'd be an idea that we lost out force by by the money men the business people behind behind it. But in this instance, in diesels bigger than the business people bigger than the money, man. Well, it's fascinating story. Andrew thanks for telling us about it. That's right. Thank you. You can see Beatles. The Richard Hamilton print based on the white album. Poster in the display sixty years at Tate Britain until the spring next year and white albums available now in various formats, including the super deluxe edition with Andrew Wilson's essay through apple corps, now, and you mentioned the art dealer Robert phrases important role in connecting the Beatles to the art world. Indeed, Paul McCartney described Fraser is one of the most influential people in the London sixty seen. Harry Vajna is the truth, greedy. Bob. A biography of Fraser, and I'm delighted that she joins me now to discuss him. Harry reading your book is an oral history. So you get these different voices weaving in and around each other. And it's very clear, the looks of them are rock musicians and lots of the others are artistic dealers in other people in the art world, this this is really intriguing about robot Fraser that he really did straddle those two worlds didn't he he straddled quite a few worlds in a way because although it's cool groovy Bob slightly ironic because he had still. Very many ties to this old world of going to eat, and you know, let sort of behaving badly in the sort of posh way. And in fact, Mick Jagger said that when he met robot he reminded him of those of John Deakin photographs sort of old school. So in a way, he never was quite as groovy as all the rest, but he did up -solutely have a foot in that camp. And he was very very influential. So he was only twenty five when he hadn't he's gallery and Jake street, which seems an extraordinary young age to enter into an art world. It does not seem very young. Yes, I agree. I mean to people like John Bumba who ran Indika robot who seemed like a bit of a grownup because he'd done national service, and he had a bit of you know, he was a bit austere despite all the drug taking, but he was very young. And he's he was always passionate about from a very young age and Cedric price, the, you know, wonderful architect design interior, and he said himself that most of the. Galleries around that area time, very dodgy, and the only people who bought up with a sort of tough with money. And so it was all spotting pictures, and you know, that sort of thing very very in racing. You know, very, very dull. So for robot who opened this gallery with a Dubuque face show extrordinary at the time for private gallery to do that unnoticed in the reports. I think you include when in the book that they call him a fetus tasty buffet, and they sent sandwich even though diva face being around and modern art has been thriving elsewhere in Europe and America, they still pseudo corners of Britain. Haven't been at tool touched by this robot was instrumental in bringing it to London. No, the English who is have been very ignorant about modern art, and they were then and Brian Robertson had put on Mobley shows at the white chapel. And there'd been you know, the Hanover gallery was fantastic as well. But robots it was very rare to find cutting. Edge cutting edge modern art gallery that time did he have a conviction about contemporary right from the start of his of his interest in our was he looking at new all right from the start up -solutely, Robert always loved he had complete faith in his own eye, which is right to us right to do because he had a brilliant. And he loved showing new artists and promoting them which was Richard. Hamilton was one of I mean, he wasn't. He was known. He'd had a few exhibitions at the Hanover gallery, for example. But Robert really as he said himself. Rub it really, you know, raised his profile, and despite many financial irregularities, you know, made him as famous as he was as he became the interesting thing, isn't it. Because clearly he was an excellent gallery from the point of view of putting on shows and attracting artists and actually making those feel very welcome in the gallery, but the the business side of it was disastrous disastrous. I mean, it was. Castris from the start because I don't think robot was remotely interested in that side of things. And also when he became druggy. Of course, it came became even worse. I mean, very has it indeed many of the artists including Edgewater policy. Got you know, said to me when I was doing the book they refuse to about robot. Because they just still so furious seems bit thirty s later anyway, there's these sort of anecdotes about about checks appearing without not being signed on not appearing tool side of things. Let's face it. He was a wealthy, man. Who perhaps have a sense actually, check was important to artists who were by. No means rich in the way that we think of some young artists today. I know that's exactly what Bridget Riley said, you know, he had no idea that they needed to pay the rental the gas Bill, and he turned up in a chauffeur-driven limo. So to speak, and you know, explained to them for us how he couldn't afford to pay them this month. It was very very infuriating for them and disheartening, but. The other hand the gallery was so exciting, and you know, almost made up for it. Really? I think it did make up for it. But still very annoying for them. He was also very internationally focus wasn't Warhol, for instance, Edry shea and others had shows with Robert when they weren't showing elsewhere God. No. I mean, the the Los Angeles Nash show was extraordinarily everyone remembers that because you know, these artists from California not been seen before hadn't been shown in thought of in England Edry shea and lows, you know, it was very Dennis hopper. Had his own rather mad presents in the show. So it was very very bold and exciting and had it the Beatles and the stones come into contact with real then. Well, I'm member Christopher Gibbs. His great friend saying that in nineteen sixty five rubs live turned interest turned from fagging to druggy and is about nine hundred sixty five there. Suddenly these presence on the scene of rather wild will probably not as well. But, you know, the Rolling Stones and the Beatles. Those you know, they suddenly were having money, and they had influence, and they were very very glamorous and exciting. But so is Robert and his gang very much. So they learned a lot from him. And and they make no bones about it. They made, you know, pull McCartney particularly among no all of them, but McCartney loved art and had a lot to do with robot news gallery and consider robot one of his greatest friends. There's a really nice quote from pool in your book in which she says that he was sort of an outsider Hugh to drop into the gallery. And they and then it was clearly noted that he was doing it and started to receive invitations to previews, and then became the heart of that scene. The heart of the art scene is what is the rook seen? Exactly. So, you know, he was just as they, you know, they all had interest in modern up, you know, being young, and they they were that way inclined. And yes, he probably did drop in a few times. This is before he was really famous so. No, he could do that. And then meeting rub it who loved music to it was a sort of complete friendship, and as a pull McCartney always says he does say is one of the greatest influences of that time. And you know, he was a really great friend robots life Makoni had a collection. So did he buy works from rubber? Yes, he bought. He bought them agreed apple which became the basis for you know, apple the apple ago. One of the things that sort of myth has propelled into our current ages. Mccartney was something of of a of a square compared to particularly Lennon who's perceived as very Evan. God partly threes association with Yoko. But certainly from your book is very clear that McCartney was very interested in Avon, God ideas, and very much a participant in an avant-garde seen in the sixty pull McCartney was very much involved. I mean, he had a lot to do with Indika, which is very very way more so than Robertson. I mean robots. Is no serious in a way. But no, he was you know, and the whole, you know, cover design for the white album was was really to do with Hamilton and pull McCartney John strangely have much of a. Say in that because I think because Yoko and John were dressed in white and perceived in this kind of world of whiteness, it's it's it's it's almost seen like they were the sort of influential figures in Ambert, it's very clear that McCartney and Hamilton, well, Richard Hamilton himself says that is, you know, the legend has it that it was inspired by Yoko Ono. And in fact, yo Kona believes that. But that's not the case. So tell me about this the other this patch darker side of the relationship between Robert and the Beatles, which which she's the drugs in the book. It's very clear that the robot introduced the Beatles to to cocaine for instance. Yes, I'm sure he did. But if he hadn't somebody else would have done, I never really pay pay much mind to that. But yeah, if you discover new lovely thing, which is cocaine or heroin, you might well before the days, it was really known how dangerous it was. You might well say God, try this. So I'm sure that happened. But. You know, that always happens that way, doesn't it? And Fraser was actually part of the famous Redlands bust which happens in nineteen sixty seven. And of course, that moment has been enshrined in one of the great art works of the period, which Richard Hamilton swinging London, which is actually on display at Tate Britain right now. So people should gun. See there. It's it's a picture of Fraser and Mick Jagger in a car handcuffed together. Isn't it? Yes. In the police car going to court and he did about six variations. I think and then, you know, the final one, and it's an extraordinary work because somehow seems very melancholy at the same time. It's glamorous. Like also mysterious works of art. It seems to say more than just, you know, the initial when you initially see it you see these two in the car, but it seems to have a very dark undertone. And as I say melancholy, like these, you know, wild and groovy times what here to loss, and of course, they want. And that's interesting point is because it seems to me there moments where people talk about the turning point from swinging London into the suit of more complicated later sixties, perhaps. But it does seem to me that certainly for Robert that was a turning point in many ways for lots of other people in in in that scene because it was a bit of a shock. It seems a bit of a show that the establishment seemed to come down so strongly on them. I mean, really, I don't know days. It seems you know, Puttin, and again, really, you know, the idea that these people seem threatening to the establishment. Is you know, seem so depressing to be handcuffed ame- handcuff? You know, extraordinary this, you know, these young people who literally at hardly done anything just to show teach lesson. Then of course, the sentence was pooling, really. I mean, and so it did seem so sort of marvelous to us the cultural explosion in the sixties. And it's funny now to thing, you know, the old guard did not see it that way even nice in. Why wouldn't you love it? But of course, it didn't Hamilton cooed swinging London, partly is to panel swinging London. But also because swinging the exact word used by the judge in sentencing. Yes, he said, I can't remember the exact words, but he said this deserves a swinging sentence. And let's talk about happy things again. I'm really intrigued by Robert phrases. Visu sense because it's very clear not only in his choice of artists, but in terms of his involvement with these album covers that he was an art director, especially when it comes to sergeant pepper. Absolutely. I mean in those days again, I mean the cover wasn't. It was hardly considered, you know, days again, you get famous artists doing covers quite usual. But and they weren't ticky famous John Howarth and Peter Blake. But robots suggested them because the Beatles wanted to use the fool, which is a Dutch collective, you know, so groovy hippie artists, but he kept saying they're no good. They're no good use Peter Blake and John Howarth. And so they did thank God. And and in a way that cover so much that if is so perfect for the contents. I mean, it's so's sums up this sort of mad crazy sort of brilliance of the contents of sergeant pepper and robot. You know, was often they're onset looking extremely stoned. But you know, nowadays, he probably would have been cooled the art director, you know, because you had very much. He he probably didn't say very much, but the thing about robot is you got inspiration from his energy. I know that sounds soapy. But that's what many people said was that affect and John Howard. Who's one of those who said that she was one of the designers for the? She was one of the creators of the cover. Let's talk about robots later life because the gallery closed not long after that period. Did it? So it was in the late sixties. Yup. And then he and then he he resurrected later and amazingly to my mind showed bus Kia and Harring in the eighties. But it was much more shortly. If the second time. Yes, partly because he was he he was drinking a lot. And you know, obviously, it doesn't help but mostly because you know, at certain point he got aids. And and so, you know, he started to feel more and more ill. But an also it slightly depressing than it was a very much more depressing time in England. Nobody was interested in. He's mad graffiti artists, and you know, I mean, the sales up seat non-existent hush thing, which is Pitino everyone. They didn't buy them. But you know, and so this is slightly sort of, you know, come back into the into that time after at least in the sixties have much. He was taking drugs and everything, you know, there was this feeling of things changing things, you know, things of possible. But it didn't really feel that way. At this time, the second gathering, even though he was showing beautiful exhibitions where he's a fascinating figure and the book is an absolutely riveting read, Harry. Thank you very much coming in joining us. Thank you very much. That was great talking about it. Goofy the life and times of Robert Fraser by Harriet Vajna is available through any books price. Ten pounds and an exhibition phrases grew yards club band. Is it gazillion house in London? From the eleventh of January to the twenty third of February twenty we'll be back and tenure attention to art in the Middle East after this. In her autobiography, the Kasama rights of the disturbing hallucinogenic vision. She experiences a child in Japan will have you at the landscape and the people within it was cloudy by spokes later when she graduated from art school this became integral to her work was a key element in the breakthrough Infinity series. She completed in New York in the late fifties on her attend to Japan in the seventies. She revisited this hypnotic mesmerizing signature style. A particularly good example from this period. Infinity nineteen Fifty-nine with its cadmium yellow dots. Doing Gulf in net will be offered up on postwar and contemporary up sale. In Hong Kong on the twenty eighth of November to find out more. Visit Bonhams dot com. Welcome back on the length November exactly one year after the opening of the neighboring Lou every Dahbi crowds gathered into by in the UAE for the opening of the new Djamil art center the newspapers Amy Dawson went to the opening and spoke to Antonio Carver the director of the Saudi nonprofit organization art Djamil that has launched the center museum of modern art in Doha Qatar. And so to meal is a foundation that supports autism. Great. Many years in Saudi Arabia regionally, we have schools in Jeddah and Cairo and we have a number of international punch ships. Probably best known for clever rating with the Vienna on the Djamil gallery itself. And also that you meal prize which has been running for ten years. Now warding artists globally who are inspired by design here for the first time we have our own institution Djamil out center, which is just opening now in Dubai an which ministicks lighted Davis. I'm can you tell me? So this is the first etiquette space of Jimmy. Why did you decide to buy and say not in Saudi Arabia? We're out she I'll building center in in Saudi Jetta, it's called high creative hub, and it's a seventeen thousand me to development. So it's taking a little longer than than off into here which has moved from cookie and ended up winning before the one in Saudi we tried to all his wanting to have one domestic institution Saudi one international institution in Saudi in Jeddah. The Senator there that we at this creative hub is really looking very broadly at multi-disciplinary practices. So that as a cinema a theatre comedy club, commercial galleries restaurants, cafes coworkers basis as well as our own out center. And this is very much was needed in the city of Jeddah, which has a really diverse and very active creative community and really looking for space where he can bring those disciplines together here in Dubai we sought about Dubai as a city and really figured. Out that this is where we can have the greatest impact Dubai has a hugely national population living here and transiting coming through the whole time. And we wanted to tap into those tourists twenty million tourists year comes to buy, and we feel the lot might be looking for some kind of cultural inputs and a center that really addresses the region's a hole and even more importantly thinking about the local scene Dubai oversee is the market center. Home to the biggest in the region. It's where all the calories have congregated also avenue, and it has great studios and this incredibly kind of engaged public yet, no contemporary museum. So here is a particular opportunity to really have an impact, luckily and internationally and to build on what's ready here, but provide something completely new that fails, a certain gap. Food the opening program here does this quite a lot of gallery space. And you've got four Senate presentations of artists like autism. And also this group Shaye, which is called create and about oil, can you tell me a little bit about how that group show came about. So we hasn't come sation with the curator of the show much volley who's a friend of art to meal and part of our curatorial council so much involved in all kind of thinking, and we were trying to think of show that's really prompts at debates that's discusses that really talks about something that's very patents this region. I mean, you can get something we'll in oil. Oversee flows through every aspect of life here in the Gulf, but see globally, and you know, in what does words it's something. That's completely hidden in plain sight oil is everywhere yet, we hardly talk about it and a number of artists from this region and also Latin America and other parts of the world have been exploring the kind of themes that are all strikes up including looking at archives. It's kind of ideas to do with economy and society architecture, and we've I much wants to look at this theme from the ground up to take perspective from the Gulf specifically from the UA to address this subject. So here we're obviously an oil producer as well as Cosima oil transform societies. It's a Nabil's many Gulf countries to in a move out of poverty out of a dependence on the poll industry, and fisheries fishing and sort of posture life into one of high density. So it completely transformed generations of of residents lives here in such an artist's have a particular perspective on that from this part of the world. It's critical and occasionally celebrate Ray. And we felt that artists were able to kind of address this complex theme in a way. Like, no other. You know, they can ask all the questions that is difficult to ask the exhibition explores so many incredibly complex themes, and yet in a way that's visually arresting and he can and it can be entered into many different levels. And so let's talk about the autism rooms. So that they are actively so low presentations. And new. Four female autists. Can you talk about who they are? And why they would when I first read about it. It came to my head that maybe it had something to do with the fact that in Saudi Arabia women getting increasing numbers of rights within the country. And there's a big focus on women. I wanted to had anything to do the choice kind of buy organic tea, and sort of by default we settled on three artists from the region. Muhammed his a Saudi artist we have a lot of her work in the question of staffer via long time. She's a real pioneer in. She works a lot with kind of drove away domestic kind of objects and goods, and perhaps the sort of PS results in her exhibition is this wall of four hundred cooking. Pots of all different sizes shapes. Waking. Yeah. Don't straight out years. This is incredible. Each one has its because we see see the bottom of the parts that spin scarred and banned by many years and making meals some of these putts Renault, Mus they would've fed a Senate family twenty five thirty people, you can imagine like, you know, very Ani's stews sort of, you know. Bubbling away in them. Yeah. She's talking about this kind of transformation in Saudi society from being very communal society to be maybe a little bit more individualistic the arrival of kind of consumers them, but she does everything with a slightly kind of right smile, and she's somebody that's been very influential on on other generations of autism Saudi. And then we have in the next solar presentation. We call artists Romans these kind of captial solar shows, we have also he's an artist who's huffed ebony of Syrian she works, again, these older must've been that show from our collection. She's working lots with telling stories of refugees who've been have come from Syria into Lebanon, as we probably no one in three people in Beirut at the moment is refugees from Syria, which puts into perspective, maybe the number of refugees that are arriving in other places in Europe and the weights that Lebanon is taking. And she looks at she got some taller her stories. She sketches them as they tell the stories, and then she creates embroideries out of these stories. Third artists rim is dedicated to works by lallera, the great Pakistan e artists and women's activists women's rights. I who passed away last year and who found national fame very late in her life. She was may much celebrated as one of the key artists in the last documented, but before that was primarily known within South Asia as an incredibly in French figure, and we wanted to pay tribute to her with three different bodies of work spanning a twenty two year period gotta Reten over I told floor is a work by a new commission by Shahara. Shutter the Japanese artists and for this. We knew that she she oughta lights working with boats. She liked his brain seems of of kind of collectively between people fundamental issues of human life, and this kind of idea of the maritime. And so it felt perfect, you know, commission her because one of our main themes right here on the creek. Is looking at this. I dare of conference in connective, it's and she's just created an incredible massive room when she takes over the entire room with t- thousand five hundred bowls of red wool created this kind of vast spiders, Weber Kun, which wraps around a traditional wooden Emirati Dow boat, which we got from the boatyard just upstream from us. Great. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Now, the Lebanese Syrian artists Muneer our soul is part of the group program at the gym yellow center and also has a solo show at the matter of Arab museum of modern into her Catta a neighboring country that's currently under embargo by the Saudi Arabia and several other countries in the region. Amy met Muneer in Dubai an Ostra 'bout one of her works on show in the Jamila center. So I go back to in two thousand eleven when their vision started Syria, then slowly turned into a war. And the time. I was Brennan myself, and it was really very tough because the revolution in Syria. Started with children who sprayed something like freedom, or you know, on on the wall of their school. And then they were arrested, you know, became like a snowball and people went down and became like a huge revolution. And then turned into a war, and and so on so. So it wasn't easy to be there and to be making a child yourself. And then of the mean watching over few hours away in Syria. How things were. Unfolding because you're invading. I wasn't Beirut. And I'm myself have Syrian. So my mom is from Damascus. So it was very hard to be invaded with and to witness the people coming over escaping. So for me, it was important to engage also to make the people feel welcome to eleven and so am I also in the beginning. There was a lot of hope with this revolution. So I wanted to. You know because in the civil war. I was a kid. So I wasn't able to record anything that has happened. And you really now understand that that gap is has created Amnistia because the younger generation did or know what we've been through in that civil war. They have no idea. So there's nothing to keep the people aware. And remember what has happened to their parents grandparents on so to me, it was very important than to meet the people and just like intuitively. I was drawing the an in a way I was recording our conversations. So for me, it's really about that act of sitting together inviting them to Mr. Joseph together making a drawing writing down our stories. Often. I would ask the person to choose their favourite drawing. And then they keep it. So there's also that exchange and later I've been making a lot of those drawings and things have been changing, and I've been also moving not able anymore to live in Lebanon this days. So I moved to the Netherlands again where I studied art. And so on. Even though I come and go very often. But an I've also started to drove people as I've been. Going also to Europe and being based there again. So I also witnessed that movement of everyone moving up ports to Europe. So then the idea came after I made a sequence of a number of those drawings. A lot of people. I talked to the for me, I associate what we said with colors, I associated with places I start to imagine, you know, colors of sand or colors of dreams or even elements of the stories. They told me, and then even mitt two brothers one in Lebanon, or the father is in Morocco. Two children are in in Lebanon. The other two are where so the idea came that. Oh, I could then Joe them next to each other. And then sue them backs on one textile, you know, an I also always worked with textile. So and then filling in also kind of something that connects, but at the same time, it's very it's a harsh media issue SU into the paper you destroyed. Same time, which is really interesting, and I love to do that. So the first one I did I had drone on paper. And I was suing the paper on the textile at the same time suing in the paper. So it's also making but also destroying because the paper gets really destroyed underneath and then disappears. But then slowly, I I wanted to do more and more of those and. It was a time. Actually, I also applied for grad from shabby. That enabled me to be able to employ or work with to say this women who are skilled with embroidery. And that was a great moment for me. Because not only I was embroidering myself when I was ready when I knew what the broader needed had driven old elements put them in the right place. And then I would invite women whom I had met through drawing or through a girl. I drew. She tell me, oh, my mom is great embroider. And you know, what these women they all came a lot of them had come recently from Syria. But also I worked with women who have been here for years, and I've also worked with women who live far away our liberties and our like crazy about in border at the really really good. So, but all these women have one thing in common that they take the burden of the family expenses on their shoulders because the ban is when you're on exit. Most of the times the man cannot find a job anymore, and then the women start to bring in the income to the house so through that I was able to work with more women, and then invite them over to my studio or go to their houses. Sometimes bring my family with me and my daughter, and we'd be sitting there with their kids as well would be embroidering together to finish a work. You know, and I think for me that is. One of the most interesting moments of the work because it generates that contact and. Than it's just a real interesting also on a woman level because when we sit like that and work like that we tend to tell stories stories, you know. You know, very intimate. Yeah. The so all of these women series that Palestinians. Ben is the all have amazing really strong stories to say actually and a lot of them have really suffered. But also, the Lebanese from the men from how things go. But when you sit together embroider, it's a moment of joy. And we you feel empowered. So that I think it's really important for while working on that. Have a show on amendment? Matt. Media. Can you tell me a little bit about the show and how the show came about? Yeah. So the Doha exhibition. The have came to Chicago to see my show, and they seen my works in Athens and a cuss oil for Documenta. But also, I think have been interested in my work for a while. And then they saw those exhibitions than they sold the Chicago on which was triggered by Hendrik four Kurds. I was really. Honored to be in the Chicago institute Art Institute. It's really it's like Lou in the USA, it has an amazing collection, and they have modern winks part. So it was really amazing exhibition there so the Matt have team so it there, and then they said, okay, we wanna travel that exhibition to cut it. So it's kind of the same exhibition, of course, on a different scale and also in dialogue with other artists. So I'm very honored to be near fat Hamouda Rhys who's one of the major Syrian painters who's being shown because they have his works in their collections. An also because they have a focus as I understand on Syria. This year. And so at the same time of delicate room, the director of the museum has created a show called revolution generation. So at the same time, there's an exhibition of. Egyptian artists Syrian artists Moroccans from all generations who is Iranians. So on who she wants. She can you know, it's an exhibition called reputation generation. So you might imagine. Yes. There. What was your experience in your in Qatar has the difficult political situation a moment in the golfing, tons of Qatar Karbi on the boycott from a number of countries, including Saudi Arabia, the U, a what did you find out seems like when you? First of all. When you go there, you really. You really notice how that embargo is bringing people together and is also making a bonding between the people there. So I think that is really sometimes unfortunately, nations needs such a harsh thing to understand, and you know. You know, be able to understand the strength of being a snow here. But it's really harsh because a lot of families are mixed slightly. Benny Syrian-Lebanese Jourdain's, John John is to cut people out like this like piece of cake again, like the colonial people did this to us. Now, we are doing this to others. I mean, it's really really harsh unacceptable. You have families who are have beheaded his half. So these children are being born where they have to go to Saudi Torri Renner renew their passwords. So I mean, it's really unacceptable. I think. Thriving? And of course, everything is seeing from that angle on and I think for them it's very important to achieve things beyond those borders. And I understand, but so every country has its political agenda and things that you don't understand are not revealed. And I don't think any country is innocent of anything. From all those regions. So but. If you want the Matt have and artists who work with, but the collection of Madhav is really important. They have like artists such as engineer LA tone, which is from Egypt. They have an she's really, you know, a very important artists. They have like that where they're they have on tomb have shitting shot from Iran. It's a really international has this Middle East. But it has. But lection artists, of course, from the region, and you notice when you're there, and here also that this far of the world is really it's really very interesting in all those connections. And it is a Twas port is a port harbour where things come in and things get mixed in with harbors. You always have that chance of mixture an opening up. So. Usually unless there's an embargo force much harder. But hopefully, come. Yeah. I mean, there are wars everywhere today. So I don't know. Yeah. Thank you. Retooling, terry. The center is now open to the public and Muneer Al souls autism room at the center is on view until the ninth of February her show, I strongly believe in our right to be frivolous. Is it matter in Doha until the sixteenth of February? And that so for this week, if you haven't already do subscribe to the podcast, let us know what you think on Twitter where you can follow us Aktan Odia. That's at ta audio. 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Transforming Readers - Danny Brassell - Educational Advisor
"What's the key to getting students interested in reading we'll talk about it on this episode of the Mind Dog TV podcast. Loved. Yet, another TV podcast I'm Matt Napa thanks for coming. It's great to have you here as always we're going to talk about one of my favorite subjects today education and reading and We're going to talk to somebody who is a dynamic keynote speaker and an educator, and I'm thrilled to be talking to him today I. Apologize For starting just a little bit late today was my screw up big time. I could have sworn I. sent his personal assistant a logging two days ago I, guess I forgot the copy and pasted incorrectly my bad. I apologize for that. So if you're waiting patiently I apologize for the delay, it's all on me a lot of you were. Watching the debate last night two, hundred, million plus people watching the debate here in the United States presidential debate I did not watch it I knew what to expect but I'm seeing a lot of people on social media complaining about it. and. Here's the thing if you're surprised about what went on last night on you. If you watch again, next week double shame on you you should have been well paid for it. Listen I knew exactly what to expect and I told you what to expect and I'm not that smart. So if I knew it, you should have known it. a lot of people wasted an hour and a half of their lives last night and are angry about it now, and there's no one to blame. But yourself don't watch next week. That's my my advice to everybody and if you watch again next week and if you complaining the day after you deserve a big Mac about. 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We're GONNA talk a little bit about education and reading reading something I've been really pushing on the show since we started and ironically enough tonight APM. My guest is one of the is the absolute the very first author of we had on the podcast way back when we started and. We were promoting literacy then and just trying to get people more interested in reading. And since then we've had about eighty offers on and it's been very it's been going very well, and my mission is kind of to get people more involved in back into reading and a little bit off the social media short attention span theater for the past few decades. Dr David Brazelle. I was going to get it on sale at. As an education adviser to students ranging for preschoolers to rocket scientists. Wow. While he has held a variety of titles and worked with leaders from a right ver-, from a variety of fields and disciplines, Danny is always considered himself to be a former foremost teacher. I I think I could learn from him. 'cause my reading skills are really today Danny's mission is to bring joy back into the education by transforming struggling and reluctant readers to more passionate and proficient readers. His online reading engagement program is exploding around the world. Thanks to Covert Ladies and gentlemen please open your ears, open your minds and helped me welcome Danny pursell. I. Got it. Right. Did I get it right this? Man You're who you crack me up. Thanks for all the positive energy you're bringing in the world we especially needed today is I. I'm one of those rules that wasted ninety minutes last night. And, and you'll never gonNA get back and but if you do it next week I'm GonNa be really disappointed in. Taking place. On Media Fas- and and now I remember why I joined the media says. On? The nobody learned anything nobody learned at a single thing last night except that they wasted their time I figured out I could have watched this program known that so Reading reading is a big thing, right and I've been on this quest to try to promote reading since I started this podcast because I felt like it's kind of a lost art form and because people are so addicted to social media and reading headlines and and getting stuff in one hundred and forty four characters or less I think reading is becoming less and less Of of a think people get involved in they find it's harder to find the time to sit down with a book and find quiet time and all that stuff what your approach to promoting reading. Well. Thank you for that Matt is kind of ironic because I grew up aiding reading because my father was a public librarian and I always hated the public library when I was growing up they always at uncomfortable furniture the it always smelled funny. Always, not elderly woman telling me to be quiet. There's always some guy hanging out by the bookshelves who thinks he's a vampire always hated public library once I started teaching in the. Inner City in south central Los Angeles all of a sudden I realized that my students didn't have all the benefits that I had growing up and I really kind of point the finger at myself. I said shame on me. You know I, had both of my parents were in my home. My parents read to US my brother, my sister, and may they read in front of us? We always had plenty of access to reading materials in so. It became my passion to really get kids excited about reading and what I found in the last twenty, five years I've been in education is schools do a decent job of teaching kids how to read but the question I always asked educators is what good is it teaching kids how to read if they never want to read and so I teach kids wider read because I've never had to tell a kid go watch TV never had to telecommute go play a video game and I never have to tell acute going to book I want them to choose to do it on their own because it's it's an experience that they find enjoyable and self motivating. That's an interesting point I. I, think you're one hundred percent right? If you don't WanNa do it and it's a sublimated you're not interested in you're going to be it's GonNa be hard to even absorb the material reading. So I think that's a that was a big part of my problem is growing up I would read stuff that I was interested in and it would flow it would flow off the pages and go through it but when it came. To stuff that I was forced to read like an English class or even just doing homework for a history of science all that kind of stuff science in particularly it can be really boring and you'd have to read it like ten times to really understand what you're reading and even then it was difficult. So how do we that comprehension stuff? Is it just the interest level that makes a difference there or is there a better way to increase comprehension? So I think you're already stumbling upon the key point. Matt is the real key is is interest I always tell people are research is actually very clear on this. It doesn't matter what you read what matters is how much you read. We know that people who read more read better you know. So it doesn't matter if he reading James Joyce or James and the giant peach, you know people who read more read better I always tell parents the little boy who only reads captain underpants is going to be a better reader than a little boy who's not reading anything captain underpants is the gateway drug to Shakespeare, but you gotta get him interested to begin with. A. Give you an example when I was teaching second grade, I had a little boy named PR in First Grade Teacher told me I. Don't know nothing. Thank you. Well, Kiara would know anything we come into my classroom every day and he'd be like, Hey, Mr Sale you see Barclay last night he had eighteen points sixteen boards. Mike. Thank you Kiara because from that point on every day after launch I would sit Kiara on my lap. We'd read the La Times sports pace together and by the end of the Year Kiara was one of my best readers and I swear at all that kid ever read about with sports which was fine. You know and and I'm not saying that higher reading isn't important but never gonNA do it. You're never gonNA retain it if we don't sell you I on getting you interested in reading and so that's really the key. That's what I really work with parents and teachers on is how do we get kids to really love it and so understanding that raw for teachers really. Requires that they get into the mindset of children and the world has changed in such a profound way just in my lifetime that I have. No. No frame of reference of what kids are really really interested in So and and so we have such a wide variety of kids how how's a teacher supposed to have really Get it on a standing for what kids really are going to be interested in. Something that you didn't see in the presidential debate last night you gotta listen. I've always. I've always said that the best teachers are eavesdroppers to hear kids talking about NASCAR. You need to give them some NASCAR books they're talking about Jaylo, you gotta get him a biography on Jennifer Lopez. It's always based on the interest level it. That's how you sell anybody on on. You GotTa get him hope that light. That's what I always tell I mean you're I'll give you something. This is. I was working with the Rotary Club recently, all the members are like, well, how I'm not even I'm forty five I'm not interested in reading like will you had bad teachers? You didn't have anybody encouraging you and one of the things I tell people you can't do it right now because of the pandemic but. Before I go to parties I used to always go to barnes and noble and I go to the Children's section I'd get about ten different picture books and I go through on the Jim about thirty two pages and at the party I always had a whole bunch of stories that I was telling everybody's always finds me to be fascinating getting my stories from like biographies that are thirty two pages long but. It's enough. You know it gets you interest. I think we underestimate the power of children's you know a lot of people you've had over eighty authors on your program in most people think when you're author for some reason, we think that you wrote war and peace and it's twelve hundred pages long I guarantee you probably half of your authors wrote books that were under two hundred pages and that's fine I mean. I whenever I read a book if I get one idea that I can use from that book, It was worth my time and so that's why I actually have the one of the top book clubs online Tall Lazy Readers. Dot. com. It's free for anybody to subscribe to it once a month for the rest of your life updated with ten new book recommendations three or four adult. Level three or four young adult level in three or four children's level books all under two hundred, fifty pages. See something you can re when you're stuck in meetings I mean I hear this all the time I'll have parents say I have no time to read them like, yeah, who has time to read after you watch the game on TV have a couple of years go out shopping. Folks, there's no such thing as time management there's only priority management. Great tip. The beginning of this broadcast Matt is don't waste ninety minutes of your time watching another presidential debate ninety minutes. You could start that little book that you've always wanted to re take a walk with a spouse, a smile, a stranger. There's much more productive uses for your time. I gotTA I. GotTa put that quote on my website. There's no such thing as time management. There's only priority management I love that. That's that's Absolutely perfect. But I think you hit on something very elemental. The that we overlook in a lot of ways is that a when you go into the gym, you don't start by by boarding in a four hour workout you start by putting in a half hour if you're lucky you go home. And you're you cry because the pain and you take a hot shower and your you hope the pain goes away and then the next day you go back and maybe a workout, a couple of minutes longer So when I started reading, I started reading a onery when I was in in elementary school and that got me interested in reading because it was short stories it was something I could finish in a half hour or less sometimes. And it it was gratifying. It had the payoff. I think that's what people need. Do you encourage that short story kind of I mean that's bathroom reading. I mean my last book I wrote leadership begins with motivation. This is a collection of short inspiring positive stories in it's based on when I was growing up and I'm I'm hoping that you remember this guy to Matt I used to listen to Paul Harvey on the radio. Show and what was his tagline on a? Light so Paul he's like I'm Harvey. Almost worry and all he passed away a couple of years ago at the age of three, hundred, twenty, five years old. I used to always live for for listening to Paul Harvey and so when I was a middle school teacher I was first the first and only teacher my school that had no tartus and the reason I had no hardee's was because I, always started my class with a read aloud Paul Harvey. His actual name is Paul Iran's and he and his son have about four books that they created, which each of them has about one hundred, one stories. Each of them is a perfect five minute read aloud. So before cove is struck, I was reading to class in New York City and I was reading A. Paul Harvey Story About a lot of people don't realize New York City before it was called New York City was called New Amsterdam because the dot settled there I well, back in sixteen, Sixty four, the British were trying to take over the entire eastern seaboard and they invaded new Amsterdam and the Dutch surrendered without firing a shot. So pretty soon, the British start making fun of the Dutch in pretty soon, everything negative in society became Dutch and some of those expressions have lasted over three, hundred, fifty years and our language. So for example, when you go Dutch on a day, it means you both pay a Hollywood. I'll be Dutchmen's uncle is not a nice thing to say to a person a Dutch wife meant she was a prostitute Dutch courage meant you were drunk but there's one thing the British used to say to the Dutch which infuriated them. You know how every ethnic group has a type of food to associate shows that group well, the Dutch really liked cheese and so the British start going around calling the Dutch John Cheese. And this angered the Dutch. So much that they started calling the British John Cheese in Dutch Yang, keys? You know the Yankees are not as outdoors. So that's what that's what gets kids interested in reading you read and I don't care if you're two years older if you're twenty two years, old people love being read aloud really cool story. So I think Matt will you were doing with you'll henry stories. That's a perfect way to get people excited about reading to do short bits. Warren piece is GonNa take you. I've never gone through that book stand duster. Yes you I'm sorry. I went when things are too long. You can definitely and what I do and I. I don't encourage this, but I find myself doing it. All the time is I'm reading through a especially if it's fiction I, want to get caught up in the middle of it and I'm like I'm getting a little bored here but I'm. I WANNA know how it turns out toss skip to the end, find out how ten and then fly. Okay. It's okay to go back and read the rest of the book now because I know it's GonNa turn out. I don't encourage that I think that that works for me and I think whatever works for you to keep you Your mind stimulated and I wanNA talk about this because there's a lot of talk right now especially with those two guys that you watts last night the about cognitive decline and as we get older. We lose we lose a little bit event and this product is supposed to help me get keep some of that but my mom Several several years three or four years ago now and she was eighty seven and she was shot as attack mentally she did five crossword puzzle books a day five cross what complete books because. She completed five books in a day for we couldn't buy them fast enough. So the idea of keeping your mind sharp as you get older, it doesn't have. You don't have to go through that cognitive decline. If you exercise your mind every day, it's just like any other muscle I in it's not a muscle brain is not a muscle, but the more you use it the more you will hold onto that in your later years. So I think it's really important health wise mental health wise for people to really get behind this and do you kind of I know you work with with? The teachers who are teaching children most of the time but does that come into your talks or what you teach at any point of the importance of of of reading to maintain your mental health and your cognitive ability as you get older? Yeah. Not only should you read mad I mean really one of the best waste retain that information is to reteach it, and so that's why I always have book clubs and book discussions with people because for me to really retain the information I, should reteach it to other people and then it becomes second nature that way that's really one of the easiest ways. To ensure that mental function want to bring up one of your websites right now I, know you have to main website Danny razzle dot com has a point to one four teachers and one for corporations stuff our. I got the education now they if they want to. Just go to it. They can do cut the education part off and just go to a second point. Actually, I'll give you a better a better website Matt just because I wanted to serve your audience. If IF EVERYBODY GOES TO FREE READING TRAINING DOT COM AGAINST FREE READING TRAINING DOT COM and make sure my assistant gets that to you matt. I'm going to give everybody all of your audience us. The first one everybody gets a copy of my book read lead in succeed, which is a book. Already. Got It right there. FREE READING TRAINING DOT COM. So everybody gets caught you re lead and succeed, which is a book I wrote it for principal who didn't know how to engage his faculties I said okay, I'll write you a book and so every week I give you a concept I give you an inspirational quote, an inspirational short story, a book recommendation on a book you should read but you're probably too lazy because you're an adult. So I also give you the children's picture book recommendation. That demonstrates the same concept you know. So I'd originally written for educators. But now when I do corporate trainings, I have CEO's starting off their meetings. Now with Dr Seuss, which is a great way to get everybody's attention I'm also going to give everybody a couple of free digital trainings the types of training decide I conduct with parents to get their kids excited about reading I was talking to a parent yesterday. You really made an interesting point to me. This was a dad which was great because. I used to run a nonprofit called real dads read and I used to always challenge the fathers on my hey, dad, you want you WanNa know why your kids like football so much it's because that's the only time you spend with them. If you spent your time reading with them, they'd all be readers because my pastor says a great thing he says. You could be the worst parent on the planet and your kid doesn't know it because to them your mom or dad kids are watching us all the time and so I mean that's why it last night was nonsense that. You know that children my own children happened to walk in and see and it was like listening to a couple elderly thanksgiving complaining I it was crazy and so. So what this father was saying to me, which was interesting is. He doesn't think we should teach anything except reading in school. He's like you know you. Kinda. Can Learn everything else on your own but until you learn how to read, you don't get all those things on like, wow you're speaking my language because if we can get you excited about reading. Then you're GONNA be naturally curious When you're voting before you vote I always tell people there's no such thing as fake news. There's only people that depend on one new source. You have this thing between your ears, use it re different sources of information and and then you don't let anybody else establish your ideas like you need to you. You have to be responsible for that I mean. Whether I was teaching my little because I've taught all ages whether I'm teaching my little ones or my older ones as my students exit my classroom, Matt they always have to hear me say the same thing I always tell them remember education is valuable but execution is priceless or knowledge is not power only applied. Knowledge is power knowing what the right thing to do and actually doing the right thing are two different things to go out and do the right thing that's as. I said every single day kids need to hear that adults need to hear that nowadays. I'm sorry. I'm not. Very very powerful quotes that I wanna I wanNA kind of including in some of my website stuff in in that kind of stuff somebody leaving comments, I wanna I wanna just see what they're saying if it's It's not important. So I would disagree with that we should only teach kids learning be reading because of my situation I'm Pretty Clumsy Person So I need laboratory study to kind of walk. Through and having worked in a medical school where kids students would stop coming to class because they were getting new notes online to lecture notes online and and that's all they needed We we kind of realized that. Presents in class for laboratory work and and an edge and execution. As you talk about was really an important part that you couldn't just get that on so I I do agree that An. Exciting people about reading is very important. Reading of course, is the fundamental skill for learning. But people like me definitely need some hands on human inter. I can't learn everything from youtube or or from reading a book. I need a teacher to sit there with me often and kind of say, no, you're doing it wrong. You're holding that you're holding the pick wrong as I. Say to a lot of music because that's a fundamental part of learning a skill is making sure that you got the right physicality for some of that skill and some of it you can't tell that you got it wrong just by reading in a book but other than that I agree with everything you said, I agree with that Mac, is it a good teachers like a good challenge if you're doing something wrong what they do is they make an adjustment right there so that you don't Practice doesn't make perfect makes permanent. So you WanNa make sure that the repetition you're doing the correct way. So I I completely, you've made the argument for why remote learning isn't ideal for everybody is a lot of us are like itching to meet humans again, hopefully this whole. This whole pandemic away as soon Say speaking of the Pan Day I know you didn't write this this this line year year personal assistant Nicole did but it says his online reading engagement program is exploding around the world. Thanks to Kobe I. think that's the first time I ever heard anybody. Thank Kobe now. I, always look it So in one of my presentations. I give the story. So there once was a king you had a childhood friend who no matter what the situation whether it was positive or negative always at the annoying habit of always having the same response this. Is. Good. So the the king was a hunting with this trend one day and his friend was always responsible for loading the kings rifles will something went horribly wrong. This is king fired his rifle it blew off his thumb to which his friend replied. This is good. The king was furious with his friend and so he locked him up in prison well a year. Later, the king was out hunting on forbidden grounds when he was captured by a Cannibal tribe as. The cannibals were tying him to the steak putting would at his feet one of the cannibals notice that the king was missing his thumb well, being superstitious tribe they never believed in the eating anything that wasn't hole and so they released the king the king couldn't believe his good fortune as he ran back the palace he what is friend Teddy you later he went to the prison release apologize for Louis old his friend, the entire story to which did this is good. Kingdom believe is yours like how could it be put you in prison for year? Is Friend looked at the king said but if you hadn't been put in prison if you hadn't put in prison that I would have been hunting with you and the cannibals would have eaten me. This is a time. This is a time when A. This is a time. Of. Tremendous. or in the world horrible things happen to between the pandemic and the racial strike in justice. But this is also a time we have an opportunity to reshape education. So it's meant for the twenty second century, not the eighteenth century you know this? Is Good so I looked is it is while I'm not able to speak physically anymore I. Have the world's top online reading engagement program and it's it's it's getting gobbled up. I was just before I was with you as on with the school system in Egypt adapting it in Alexandria Egypt. And India and Bahrain Argentina and basically just a couple of months every day parents get videos from me ideas on how to get kids excited about reading and we've known that in just over two months the kids will lose their reading ability by two to three grade levels which is fine I think that's great but that's not what gets me sire what gets me excited Is that kids that hated reading now want to read all the time that parents complains me because their kids are in bed every night with the flashlights reading books and that's not a problem. That's a good thing. So so that's where around Kobe has been a blessing to me, and hopefully the programs of blessing to everybody uses the program back in the eighties when I was Listening to a lot of motivational speakers as a lot of us were back in the eighties in reading a lot of self help books I spent somewhere along the line i. read that crisis in believe it's Japanese or. Japanese has a double meaning which half of the meaning was opportunity and I think that that idea stuck with me forever. So that in every what seems like a downturn every. Crisis there is opportunity there is a chance for to make things better and and a window of of of. Improvement there that we don't necessarily look for because we're not trained to notice it think that's very important message. We've been talking about kids. My mom is I mentioned was. A literacy volunteer. Actually volunteers of America she got a commendation from the governor of new. York for working with adults who never learned to read illiterate adults and one of the things that really impressed me. I met a guy that you worked with who was in his fifties at the time. This was thirty years ago and he was extremely successful businessman who never learned to read and kept it hidden all his life inch shame. I don't know how he managed to become a really successful business and that's a whole other story but the fact that he kept it hidden and shame. But at some point in his life, he decided it was important enough that he wanted to. He wanted to learn to read before he died so. The for people who are adults and are struggling with that. Do you do anything for that to encourage that or help facilitate that many way? Yeah I mean your mom's here to me. I've worked with so many public libraries around the country that have those types of adult literacy programs because there are quite a significant. Amount of population and it's nothing to be ashamed of I. Always Point this out to people that every reading disability is cheerful I mean a lot of the reason a lot of people don't read is they had a reading disability and for whatever reason, the school didn't Diagnos that reading just. Here's a little fat free. It's kind of interesting when I was doing my research. I look at all of the Fortune Five, hundred CEO's over half of them are dyslexic. You know there's all kinds of famous dyslexic people in various industries. I mean President George Washington was deflect sick if you look at Richard Branson from Virgin. Airlines the Virgin Industries he's dyslexic. You know if you look at entertainment people like, Tom Cruise and Sylvester, stallone, whoopie. Goldberg, they're all DYSLEXIC So it's nothing to be ashamed of it is curable at something that if you're working with volunteer like. person hand get up in their reading the. The do things I think everybody should go to our a ceremony, a graduation for adult literacy graduates and should go to a swearing-in of immigration of a from Singapore and when she became citizen we were in Los Angeles thousand people being sworn in including over a hundred of 'em worn military. They were serving in our military willing to die for our country, but they weren't. Citizens of our country and it was one of the most incredible uplifting things. I've ever seen tears in my eyes because all of these were so proud to be Americans at the end. It's one of those points start to ashamed because unlike what we take so much for granted when I I used to teach English as a second language to engineering students at the University of Southern California. And I always ask my students tweeting about America what? What do you think it was always crazy at the thing that they always said was i. it's amazing that you're able to criticize your leaders stop going to prison. I told her I. Think, it's our right to be able to gripe about our politicians in make fun of all the time. But most countries you know you go to prison for something like that. So there's all these things we take for. That's why if I was ever president I'd give everybody ten eternity to travel the country and travel abroad. I ball everybody should travel America because America's beautiful. I. Mean It's getting for one hundred dollars. You can get an anti parks pass. It gets you access to the most beautiful parks on the on the plant at travel abroad because when you travel to things, you learn two things. First of all, you learn to love understand how other people think which is it's a rare quality nowadays, people need to listen and. Try, and consider other people's points of view. But secondly, you start to appreciate the things we take for granted in America I mean as bad as a lot of habit during the pandemic you now I have a house over my head I got closed on I. I had food in my belly. There's a lot of people that are struggling out there. I was just in before the pandemic I was in India and Electricity isn't just something that happens in India of clean water isn't something that just happens. You know. So a a little bit perspective and so that. I actually was just a talking about this interview I. I was Kinda feeling sorry for myself recently because of the pandemic and I have a policy matt whenever I feel sorry for myself I have to volunteer because it gives me proper perspective If you if you think you have bad just spend a couple of days volunteering at the Children's cancer center and you'll start to appreciate all that you've got. That something I preach a lot. I started volunteering As a teenager when my grandfather in a nursing home and saw what as a as A. Gesture of gratitude for the people who worked in a nursing home for the way they took care of him. I started volunteering at nursing homes in and I've always said the depression is found doing something for other people If you feel depressed and I know it's hard to even do anything when when you have clinical depression but to me, it's impossible to stay in that state of mind when you're helping somebody else and the minute you are done with that task of helping somebody else you can feel much better about yourself. So I know. And and and people, it's oversimplifying it people will suffer from clinical depression. Think I'm tripled trivializing it in some way and that I understand what the battle but I think if you can get to that place where you can volunteer and give yourself to somebody else who's in need, it will do a world of good for your own state of mind and and we are and how you feel about yourself. So I I, appreciate that completely you. We're talking about what we take for granted and it reminded me of Greg, Fitzsimmons comedian who I? Talked to recently, and he was talking about our wealth is in our clean water. Why America's Oh gray with clean water as it you talk to people in Third World countries and they They see you have a toilet bowl full of clean water and wait. You'RE GONNA flush it before you actually go and then you're to defecate in in clean water. Are you kidding me? They would kill for for just that much clean water. So yeah we take so much for granted in this country it's unbelievable I'm going to have a guest on tonight who was white very first author that I've had on this program she's a fiction writer and We were talking about when I was the idea was to promote literacy and get people reading and I said, I wanNA have as many authors on as I possibly can and she was surprised that I hate fixing I really hate fix it but I said, you know what I don't think it really matters what you read to your point as you met. Before it that you you find something you enjoy reading and read it as much as possible read as much as possible. So I'm a big I. Love Biographies I love True Stories about people that I can relate to and I think there's a great way of learning about the world to other people's experiences real experiences the. Any kind of Prejudices or conception the bad. The differences between reading nonfiction and fiction. Well I, mean I'm like you managed I prefer nonfiction made it. I'll start with an argument for fiction and then I'll get into nonfiction the argument for fiction we find there's there's been research has been shown that some of the smartest people they love reading science fiction and I think you would appreciate their certain science fiction authors I just think are phenomenal love One of my favorites is Robert Heinlein he has a quote the that's just priceless. He says the two most common elements in the universe are nitrogen and stupidity and It's things like that One of my favorite books of all time is The hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy by Douglas Adams Senate can't read that book without laughing on every single page it just brought in the whole series of books. There's this one it's appropriate based on what we're going through nowadays there. There's this scene where he's at the the the largest bureaucracy in the universe, and he describes his problem to the employee and the employee says, that's an SAP. And he's like Winston Sep's somebody else's problem walks. Yes, that's bureaucracy right there. So that's my mcvay. That's my my argument plus some of the best books You know it's odd that said I always say this people asked, what's what's your favorite book which is difficult because I have lots of books at different times my life but one of the first books to get me interested in reading. was to kill a mocking bird by Harper Leah I. Still It's just so well written I in an atticus finch is such an admirable person as a character allowed that books. That's my argument for fiction plus all the kids books, picture books, Dr Suess, and Shel Silverstein poetry. There's so many great The book holes by Sach are is just phenomenal For Nonfiction. Now I'm with you Matt is I love to 'cause I'm always looking for stories I'm storyteller sunlight. Okay. Who's who story connect tell and so I, love presidential biographies. One of my favorites is the rise of Theodore Roosevelt by Edmund Morris at one the. Rise in Nineteen, seventy, nine impressed president Reagan so much the President Reagan made Edmund Morris, his official biographer and the rise of Theodore Roosevelt is part of a trilogy that that's the first one it takes you to the point Teddy, Roosevelt becomes president. The second book is called Theodore Rex, which takes you through his presidency and the third one is called Colonel Roosevelt which takes you through what did actress presidency but when I read upped The rise of Theodore Roosevelt's fascinating. Chose it talks about what Teddy did during his light and as a kid, he was sick all the time. We spent all this time reading. He had a photographic memory. He could read in six languages and he was a speed reader. They say you can you give him an eight hundred page book at Dinner. Eight hundred page book in Latin and at the breakfast table, he could quote pages to you. They asked me they estimate by the time he was thirty years old Teddy Roosevelt had read over twenty thousand books and so went on talking to my kindergartners like, wow, like so kids, we're going to read a lot of kid books I mean I rated I ten books a day. Now many of them are scratching sniffing pop up, but I do read ten books. Of that really inspired me I love reading. I'm just like you I, I. I'm always interested and I don't like sad stories on my show me somebody that's lived through adversity I just read this story. I'm sorry I keep on going off. Now I love I'm tall. So there's this guy cliff young. This is the greatest story ever. So cliff young there is there's this ultra marathon race for Melbourne to Sydney Australia it's like five hundred fifty miles long and it takes a week and so the very first running of this race was in nineteen, eighty three, and so all these ultra marathoners they get to the starting line and then cliff young shows. Up at the starting line cliff Yang was a sixty one year old potato farmer from Australia he shows up in his overalls with his boots, galoshes over his boots and all the other marathoners are looking at him like he's crazy. So they all they fire the gun in all of them take off and like everybody figured cliff young sixty, one year old farmer is in last place. But a funny thing happened Matt is every night. All the other runners would rests on the side of the road and get a couple of hours. Sleep will cliff was terrified about how badly he was doing so he'd run through the night. Well on day five cliff young not only won the race his second place competitor was ten hours behind him because he never stopped and it's one of my favorite stories because unlike the guy never quit if you want to succeed in life never quit look at things in a different way I'm just I'm amazed. That's why we're. So the the biggest thing that drove me nuts about the pandemic is they cancelled the Summer Olympics because the Olympics is like what I live for him like I. Love It. I, I feel bad because I usually root against American my wife's like, why are you reading against America like honey? Who am I going to root for the American with the the microchip in his Nike's or the barefoot Sudanese refugee who just survived a civil war? Of course I'm rooting for that and you know Here's but don't take by touchy you know and he's like A. I learned to run by running away from the bullets during the civil war of course, ruin. have. I'm sorry I get excited. So I'm like you I love those true stories but I wanted to be I don't like sad story I used to do that when I was a teacher was. We would take stories, and if there was a sad ending I have the kids changed the ending to a happy ending I got that idea from my my uncle Bob. Might by Tresin Diane. She graduated tapper classroom Columbia Law School. She was working for a big firm in Manhattan and she didn't realize old yeller died because when my uncle Bob used to read old yeller to her and my cousin Julie when they come to the part where they shoot old yeller, he'd always say and they live happily ever. And I loved that I'm like I always tell my kindergartners I'm like you got the rest of your lives be miserable. This year were laughing. We're reading funny stuff read stuff. That's GonNa make you smile sick of all the sadness in the world. So well, here's I. Apologize. No I, I love it. I love everything you've contributed so far, and it really is a great to hear some of the stuff for my fellow podcasters who are and today is international podcasting day like we deserve a day or something it's it's ridiculous. But for people who insist on scripting questions and and having a preconceived notion have interview is supposed to go. Here's a perfect example of why not to do that. Now you just mentioned old yeller I I was prepared to. Ask You my next question about audio books which I am going to put off for now and and stick with this idea of because you you brought up old yeller and it was required reading when I was at school and they put they put out a curriculum of all is required reading and everybody's reading the same books year after year after year and never really changes and where we started this program. was. The idea of encouraging reading has to start with interest level and a lot of that required reading was just not anybody's interest level at all I mean nobody in the class would have read old yeller had it not been required for the curriculum? So where I'm going with this is with with your programs with schools do you talk about curriculum and restructuring curriculum towards what kids are more interested in? As a as the culture changes because old yeller was fine in the nineteen sixties when I was in elementary school today, I would think it would probably bore the hell out of young kids the. Dea Talk Talk about curriculum restructuring it all. Absolutely I mean I I, I have a major problem with most required books because that was Mark Twain said that. if it wasn't, I can't remember the quote easy talks about. If it wasn't for the. He about required classics that you have to read those in school, and then you can actually read all the stuff that you want to read. The Happiest Day of my life besides my wedding day was when I got my PhD, my wife's like, why are you so happy and like this from now on I, pick the books. Books. It's interesting scholastic. They always do these like every decadent new survey of what teachers think kids want to read. What kids like to read is really interesting. There's two big distinctions. First of all the list are completely different. And second of all the books of the Kids WanNa, read our actually written at a higher level. In the teachers list. We actually are underestimating kids all the time and whether there's a great when my favorite series of books Jeff Kenny the dire won't be kid series are just hilarious and there's this one I don't remember which of the books that sin but the mother of the main character Greg Hefley she decides. She's going to have a mother son Book Club, and so she invites all the neighborhood boys to come to the book club and they can each bring a block and so the mom the books that she brought to read our like Anne of Green Gables, Sarah Plain and tall little house on the prairie and the boys the books that they brought are like how to cheat at Video Games dinosaur worst the book of bodily. Functions. I like that's why that's why we have. You know I was I was a rarity that I think. I. Think The statistic is ninety six percent of kindergarten through second grade teachers are female and they just assume the other four percent of US guys that become teachers of little kids rather. Sexual or pedophile neither of those things but I I love teaching the little kids because they always had so much energy and what I observed was all my see male colleagues reading. Books that they lights which were perfectly fine. Those books like Little House on the prairie and Green Gables but. The. Boys had no interest in them whatsoever and I thought I think this might be one of the reason we're losing. So many of those boys because the statistics are pretty straightforward four out of five straddling reluctant readers are boys, and there's there's reasons for that. Girls are usually more mature at an earlier age than boys boys eventually get job hopefully But I don't think that we're finding those types of books and then to address your point rebuts talk about with audio books the research is very clear on this matt you know W-we audiobooks work just as well as reading it on your own you know, and so I'm always encouraging people to listen to books on tape, but especially the Harry Potter, the American version, the Harry Potter series are read Aloud by Jim Dale, the actor, and in one of them has over one hundred, thirty, three different voices. It's like one of the most brilliant things I've ever heard in my life. And so I always encourage and those minutes count I tell that to people is parents don't realize this. One of my mentors was a guy by the name of gyms release in gems. The Best Speaker I've ever seen in everybody should by his book read. Aloud, Ian. Bush doesn't doesn't need me push that he sold over two million copies. It's one of the most successful books of all time in education. The first half of the book is you all the research online reading aloud is the single best way to help your kids become better readers. The second half of the book goes grade level by grade level some of the best books to read aloud the kids it's an invaluable resource and. So I always tell that to I've taught parents who don't know how to read how to get their kids to be better readers because the kids don't realize that the the parent doesn't know what the reading like just look at the pictures tell the a picture. Tell the kid the story. It's interesting when the kids start realizing insect mom and dad, not reading the words and. That's what's amazing. My Program is actually I've shown parents don't know how to read how to get their kids reading in the parent doesn't know how to read. I love that you hit upon that earlier mad at that adult literacy programs because almost every public library in America has an adult literacy program in they're fantastic Gra. Ashamed. Of something to be very proud of you know it's not how you start. It's how you finish. Right right so When you say something to be proud of the fact that you address that and move it not that you not clear there's nothing to be proud of. Not being able to read their the the the providence comes in. Addressing it and finally doing something about it. Lot of me Oh. You're talking about books they required. I mean I. Remember in high school they may, and again just because I hate a book doesn't mean it's a bad book. It means I didn't like the book but the rise. Was the Scarlett letter by Nathaniel Awkward Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Your friend had to wear a over her chest because she was adulterous and I'm like I lot to wear a be on my head because I'm so bored reading this book it was in the only book. I had to read a separate piece. I hated a separate peace as stupid is but this that being said, there were a couple of books that is required to read it. I liked I really like to kill a mockingbird the catcher in the Rye I thought was hilarious when I read that a about ten years ago I was in Nicaragua and a Peace Corps volunteer gave me the book, the killer angels and I've now given this book out to at least a thousand people and it's one of the if a history teacher had given me that book in high. School, I would have been a history major of the killer angels won the Pulitzer. Prize is by Michael Shera. His son Japheth created a creek wellness sequel, which are also fantastic. But the killer angels is about the Battle of Gettysburg in its written from every chapters from point of view of a different general or different soldier and. I loved that book I'm like. So you and I both love, nonfiction. Matt. Have you ever heard of Joshua, Lawrence Chamberlain Yeah Yeah Okay. So you've heard of him, you're smarter than me because I'd never even heard I mean I I'm not that stupid but I'd never heard of Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain and so in this block chamberlain was a a professor of theology vote in College in Maine and he decides to joined one of the main platoons and right before the battle of Gettysburg Chris I in command is promoted he second to me on so he's put in command of. His little platoon and the first order he has one hundred thirty Irish deserters and east supposed to execute them while he gives them this King Henry, the fifth speech which I was ready to fight for this guy after listening to speech he's like they want me to shoot you all I'm not shooting anybody but you're going with this one way or the other but I hope you fight with us because I think this is the battle that winds us the war and so there's a hundred thirty deserters in one hundred, twenty, four, decide they're gonNA fight. And so I don't know a lot about military strategy but basically, he's on this little hill little round, top hill I what was called and they have to hold the flank, which means that the south is GonNa Common if they if they get exposed, they've exposed the entire back side of the northern army. The North is going to get seat and so chamberlain has basically three hundred guys. Nine thousand southerners are charging, and so his guys are like downs their lash shot, and they look to Chamberlain for an order and he like takes out his savers like Banamex these guys rolling adrenaline not so. They put on bayonets a sharp and three hundred guys charge down this hill and nine thousand soldiers surrender to them. This is a true event in American history, and so the next chapter is great because it's written it's about general got northern general and general and cash like who's this Guy Chamberlin meeting and so Chamberlain Chamberlain when he was hauling down the hill, he got shot in the foot. So he shot in the foot gets up Sir I'm ready I'm ready for to fight for you and Hancock's now no dude you know youth you did your part you and your men are great. The South they're going to attack us from my the front of the back. So we're GONNA, put you in your men safely here in middle you'll fight another day will. So the next the next chapter is is the South General Long Street talking to general leaked and long streets like what's the? What's the order general in lease like you know what? I bet you. They think we're GONNA come from the front or the back. Let's attack the middle. Were Chamberlain is. He's part of the two biggest battles the battle of Gettysburg he's totally outmatched. He wins both of them. So the best thing about this book is the very end of it. It gives you a paragraph on each of the characters and says, Joshua Warren's Chamula, who I've never heard of before this book. Oh. It's chamberlain wound up to fight in seven more battles he was wounded in every single battle. He he he was so impressive to General Grant. The general grant asked for Chamberlain to accept the south surrender apparatus courthouse, and this is the cool part when the south surrendered chamberlain or all the northern armies to salute their southern brothers, which is a wholly classic thing to do so they loved him. So then this guy I've never heard of Joshua, Lawrence Chamberlain he goes back up to Maine. He gets he he becomes the president of boat in college. He's elected governor of Maine four times never buy anything less than eighty percent of the voice, a eighty percent of the vote. The guy should be on currency I've never even heard of him and I'm like that was a book somebody. Recommended to it wasn't required. It was a book that somebody recommended in I. Always just preach this to schools and like instead of having a required reading lists have one hundred. Where student comes up to you and says, you know what? I don't WanNa read Dune by Frank. Herbert. I WanNa read Hitchhikers guide the Galaxy by Douglas Analytic Likud's mean what's the point? The point is we're trying to get comprehension. We're trying to get interest. You know what? There's no reason especially with fiction Areas Yes. We love you. I wish they had that feature last night during the debate. That would have been really cool are. Just A point on on cable and I. Could be wrong about this but I think he was the inspiration behind the fictional character. John Dunbar in dances a wolf I'll. so that what that's where Kevin Costner got that idea of you know just kind of charging the enemy and brazen when everything is wrong. The one guy who had. Just had it in them that you know we're not losing this. I'm going to be aggressive here. believe he was the inspiration for that but I've always been a you. Didn't know this great So yeah, I appreciate everything he said and and what you're doing to encourage literacy and reading and get people more active marine I. Know we're kind of overtime and you probably have another one that he used to go to buy and I want to be respectful of your time but I did want to ask you a little bit about you mentioned audio books I. Mentioned Audio Books, and then you follow up on it, my take on that and I agree I like audiobooks for the convenience I think they're they're a great way to get the information in a convenient way but for me something is lost in. Having somebody restoring to you rather than finding that quiet time and going within yourself and hearing those voices like I could take great novel like the Godfather and read it before the movie and then. It had a total different feeling for me Ben when I actually saw the movie and it was a completely different experience. So I think there is something. Lost in that experience of having a story told to you or seeing it in movie before you get a chance to read the book for yourself just. I always encourage my students to watch the movie is they always come back telling me the same thing while the movie was great but the books a lot better last. Ample is I love the godfathers, my favorite movie of all time, but the book is better. Right. The book is definitely and that the experience of hearing those voices for the first time in own head. So you imagine those people Going to be completely different than the casting director or the director of the movie, and so your experience is going to be completely different. So i. have nothing against audiobooks are watching films. I think you should read the book I and I think if if you do the the latter watch the movie or listen to the audio book first before you read the book, it kind of ruined it for just in my opinion on it does it does 'cause you you don't get the pleasure of picturing the person in your head I mean. There's some books where you have a total picture in your head of who this person should be, and it's it's interesting. It's only a couple of times where I think movies. Got It. Right. So the Godfather I thought they did a great job. I'm like, wow, they missed a whole bunch of subplots which they gotTa Start to do godfather part to, but they miss some. The silence of the lambs the book is phenomenal. The movies phenomenal kill a mockingbird Amine Atticus finch Gregory. Peck you do much better than that. So right? Yeah. Very good stuff. Immune loads. Great. Three great examples. Of books that became movies. I appreciate this time and all you're doing and and your energy's is just fantastic. I really love it and So. Where do we go from here with you I a WE HAVE FREE FREE READING TRAINING DOT COM on How do people get started with that and just go to the website and? Put on their name and email, and I'm sure you'll get an email from me once a week for the rest of your life and it'll tell you it'll have the promos for any kind of reading programs or whatever but just however, I can serve you I. I just love getting people I love discussions like this. Matt, where we get to talk about books, there's so much more interesting than presidential debates. Let's talk about ideas. Let's. Let's one another. I agree totally and I encourage people to take up on that go to free reading training DOT COM, and get involved in that and listen a once a week is not bad emails I get sometimes I sign up for email listen I, get three a day. So once a week or nice and comfortable I I like that I'm GonNa. Be signing up for myself and I encourage other people to do Danny. Thank you I. Really appreciate this time. Wish you great success come back anytime and we'll continue this discussion. Thank you. Matt. Sleep better and have that energy I I. Don't know if I can take those shots. It's absolutely terrible and like if I have to do it for another seventy years I I don't think it's really worth it. But who find out I'm really interested in seeing what what, what, what it brings seven weeks from. Now if I'm a whole different person, you know somebody told me last night that I, I will really young and I I Y Y really. Go I appreciate that 'cause I've I've been feeling really old for a long time and for at least forty years I've been feeling also I appreciate any kind of compliments like that I get but thanks for bearing with me through that opening segment by the way. Thanks. Thanks for your energy. I really appreciate aggregrate damn by for now daycare this episode is brought to you by put me in the story. 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The author will be back with me at eight PM tonight and John Jonathan Henly GonNa talk all about leadership will be here for a Special Edition of the three three PM edition I wasn't going to be doing three shows that day anymore remember when we made that remember when we made that commitment not to do three in day anymore I. Forgot about that anyway th at three PM I'll be back within just about an hour until then Matt Napa for the mind TV podcast. Thanks for joining me. Have a great day and. Sometimes words can lose their mean being. Win No US DANCE FOLK IN WE TAG We turn fray. So small cliche. Words better left unspoken. The. Shallow reply. We've learned along the way. We ran below with feelings. Communication rule. The wave feels jost is real. Anytime we say. You. Just he? Women. To see it in judge. Withdrawal the bird to that. Chains to speak we can vote kids Liz. Talk is cheap Ben, we can't keep the our. Little slips. Past. Six. Would Miss in awe. That exists. Nine. 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Ep. 020: Secret Santa Giftravaganza
"Ohio tom let's go ahead and give this segment to john man. I was going to do it. And i was gonna rock and fucking roll with it. You believe you tom. Demere me to do to you on jonnu it. Because i don't have this enough since the next time we'll give next the next time. We'll give it to john tens if you if you if you actually do a really really good job. I'll have you do it. He's gonna have a lot to live up to trust me. Shit tom i saw. Gimme a countdown to a reverse. What are you fucking do. Stretchy one young man three to one here we go again. I got you. I got it three to cinema to pursue. Okay hello and welcome to the comic doors. Your guided excursion into the rich minds of comic them. Each week we invite listeners. To unearth a new comic book jim with us. Then join in as we do get added absurd length. I'm tom beavis. And i'm joined by my fellow holiday. Heroes sean corbin. Hi josh shepherd. I mike brown me and john. Butler for sean. I have anything. I haven't talked what obama today. We'll be talking about. Two thousand fifteen clues by grant morrison and dan maura from boom studios fellas. Let's get digging so so were agreed that it's close close. We're absolutely not agreed that it's clues. I'm willing to entertain notions on how you guys make. This book is pronounced think we couldn't even ask tom. He would tell you it was pronounced attias. Propounds chuck already cuckoo's smith schuster. 'cause i was under the impression that we're out of klaus level we're out of i'm not figure some shit out. Ra so today. We'll be talking about twenty-five klaus by grant morrison and and more ephraim boom studios fellas. Let's keep digging for. Get too far in mike. Do you want to remind the listener about what are but what we're doing today to make this episode a little special for the holidays absolute so i would like to remind everyone at home that this is a very special week. I know that it seems like lately. We are doing a lot of different specials. But that's just who we are. We have specialness in our heart so what we do group. We are indeed a special. Thank you for a microwave. It's a special time of year and in this special time of year in this special year being twenty twenty. We thought we could drop a little bit of light upon the darkness. That is twenty twenty so we decided that we were going to get together in a safeway and we're going to distribute presence white elephants style and see what each one got what we got. It's a mystery all of us but you will find out in real time. What is going on. Thank you show. They take like a double blind secret. Santa because not only. Do we not know who bought the present we received. We don't know who is receiving the president that we bought mike We couldn't find you last week when we were recording and we did with all good friends do when we just ignore that you were missing at all. That's not true. i taught. Well thank you while we didn't go out and look for you. We did assume that you probably weren't ever coming back. So what we did do was run out and look for a replacement and now we're in a real pickle 'cause you're back and your replacement is back just for the just everyone knows i think that your choice for replacements very solid very solid practically the same person might as well be the separate after so we're talking of course about john butler who is not only the the newest comic door official comic dwarf but he's also strangely one of the original comic dwarves newest oldest new newest stand oldest. You should probably also mentioned that. He is in the full permanently forever. Seeing the last episode he was a special guest host. Well since then we we did the blood pact as cut him iphone from you did away. You're sleeping is easier. That way must have been president. So i've got a burning question for you. Has anybody here. Read every walking dead trade ever okay. So here's the thing. I was relatively certain. I think i'm pretty positive. It's actually in in at this point. We said last episode of the last time we were ever going to talk about it. And here's the here's the other thing. Here's the other thing that kinda goes along with that. I'm almost certain it's not last episode anymore. It's one of those surprise appearances kind of thing. Like sometimes like kiss will say this is the last two were ever going on and then literally brexit tough because eventually the selective matic is going to draw every walking dead trade deadline. One is going to draw all the walking dead duck with walking dead trades between the two holiday specials. This book gave me an idea for a thing to try. We could see if it's fun. Great if not if it's garbage will never do it again. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's not fun okay. That's entirely possible. I mean you did just absolutely fall in love with making spies though so this could be spider is part too because the last two books took something like as far comic book specifically are concerned are pretty mundane. Eating in and of itself is not terribly exciting. The story of santa claus in terms of making comic not terribly exciting but these books took the central conceits and made them into something creative enjoyable in the comic book medium. So i thought. Can we take different boring mundane things if i pick a thing and then you guys can pitch how to turn that into an entertaining comic and not just a comic. That's like that as a facet of it but a comic that is at its core about that thing so i said car salesman. You have to make the comic about be about selling cars. Even if other aspects are different that so as the central conceit. one. I i have an idea and i have A nomination and second. You better believe. I can do this because i did. Exactly that. with pizza delivery yes you did. That was very good. I absolutely love that But that let's see if that was lightning in the bottle or if you've got it you've got it in you. What was your drinking wine. A new i knew mike okay. Does anybody else have any nominations that have not already been completely and thoroughly successfully already done arbor day. What was that arbor day day specifically the holiday day okay. Who was anyone else entries regular old regular old plumber rooms day so so so do you. Do you mean a book about a plumber or a book about plumbing. That's ever a book about a plumber can go. Let's start the whole journey with the plumber. That's easy plunder and do anything in the book will still be about the plumber but the books about plumbing. Then you have to try and find a way to make plumbing. Exciting a plumber. On arbor day my nomination would be like like an. Mlm vacuum sales like the vacuums okay. So do you wanna combine those or you wanna pick one. You wanna do a vote. We'll do a vote for the first of all. It's not over complicated so the nominations are drinking wine which is already done by anga. that's wonderful. Play plumber or mlm. Vacuum sales are day or arbor day so boring. I forgot about it. i'm gonna go arbor day. Yeah i i double down in arbor day linden arbor day to day. What you got you got arbor day. Okay yeah right arbor days have haven't so how are we gonna pitch a story about arbor that makes it interesting and has to be about arbor day easy we use arbor day as a reason that we we plant trees to the god of trees so that they don't kill us right something like that like the gods are trees and we have to plant these trees in order to the fulfil their quota of people and if we don't get that then they only shall in one year. We forgot that that was going on. And we do like a Cabinet the woods. Style thing where it's like. Oh we awaken these ancient spirits of trees of arbor and Now i don't know. Aj called every year. We have to plant trees to keep the gods of trees from destroying us but one year. Everybody just forgot to plant a tree ejecta. They forgot the point. The trees at your then. We opened with the very next day. The first captions as day after day. Feverishly hope digging a hole. He's got to see it in his hand. You put destroyed. Settlers are we are. We saying we're so hold on just to clarify we're not. We're not saying everybody forgot to plant trees. Were saying exactly one person. Too many forgot to plant trees. They need exactly at least twenty six thousand trees. We got twenty five thousand nine hundred number ten arm down without or i'm down with like a like a. We accidentally forgot that it was leap year. We've just the wrong day like we're a day off you. I can bring in some other shit on that too if you to like incorporate boring asleep. You're thing into it. I don't like affects already. Leave your literally affects only february. So my i'm going from a different direction. And i'm going to say that the year is like i don't know twenty fifty. Two and evil corporations have trump down all the trees in the world and the rank and file people just the every day every man is so fed up with it in they all kind of meet at like this little group of freedom fighters meet and they're like we got it stick to the man guys. They chop down all the fucking trees. There's no oxygen. There's no birds. There's no squirrels and we gotta we're going to go blow them up like you know vivere vendetta style. And they're like shear but what how can we make the symbolic. How can we pick a date that they know exactly why we're mad and they're like i know arbor day in then. The whole plot is about this group of freedom fighters blowing up mega corporations on arbor day while also planting trees. I'm i'm always a fan of eco terrorist type stuff. Yeah on the record. So they're reclaiming arbiter like were mad about the just just to get like into these characters heads a little bit where mad about these corporations taking over getting rid of all the trees. There should be more trees. They're gone pissed so our plan is to take a holiday. Take the holiday of the trees and make sure no one remembers trees instead. This holiday is forever going to be remembered as the day we. We did some terrorism. The dale desire like they're like blowing blowing up corporate headquarters and planting a tree where the corporate headquarters used to be. And they're like this is for the tree. Fucker signed a petition about that one's or whatever they had like maybe like they're big plan was like a to start taking back and they may be came up like genetically engineered like sede bombs or they drop it and just like a giant redwood spontaneously erupts out of where it hit so they start bombing. The city like with trauma that moves buildings even better the scientists. They're like planning this. And some guy with like a beard and an eye patch is like wait. You have to hear this. And they russian the scientists and the scientists like you guys will never believe it. But i was in the lab working with a secret team of bio engineers and chemists and botanists. And you know shit like that and we engineered mutant tree and when the corporations heard they're like turn it into a bomb and so now we got these million tree bombs. And i'm the only one who i somehow healed the rest of the team where they weren't looking at how act for one second long one last proposal. What if there was a sentient. What if there was an alien who was who has beamed down to earth but accidentally got put into a tree body so we have this this alien. That goes into the body of a tree because he's trying to teach the human race how to become better humans evolved past like the next stage of evolution and joined the teach us and it becomes a cult of the tree and we all like worship this one tree trying to get to the next stage of evolution which is like some type of machinery or something like that so we just where the catalyst for the next stage of evolution through the cult of the tree convenient conveniently. That's how my story ends like mega corporations in the everyday people are just in this all out war with each other and then this tree alien comes over and he's like. Hey guys. I'm an alien. I was beamed down into the body of a tree. And i'm just here to help you reach your next level of evolution but first thing you gotta do is stop fighting. Guys wow dig. It went your Earth's fucked whatever arbor. Day comes around we build these arbor day terrariums and now we put one person one family in the terrariums in they live their life in their last like flourishing type of life that's growing in the world and they're in this bubble because the rest of the world can't sustain so we follow the life of justice one family and they reminisce about how the world ended up that way and it just ends with meteors smashing every cheese us. The idea that mike. And i came up with together in. Tandem was hopeful. I guess last one. I'll propose avenue pre one for every day but so say they'll start the same way as josh is in. Tom's theme day makes us think of effects. World without trees zanthoens apocalyptic. We've pretty much clear. Cut all the trees everywhere. and i'm even purge. We lost our seed banks. Something happened to fire something in those so we couldn't even bring them back. We didn't have any storage. Most of our trees are gone. We need more flora. In general have gone. We got to the point where like pollution stuff was so bad that plant life pretty much. Unsustainable we're losing almost all of it. We needed to find a more hardy plant life though so he can basically start to grow a floral system. we find a a planet that looks Promising right it's it seems to have an atmosphere. Similar to to our current apocalyptic atmosphere but signs. Indicate that it's got rich floral life so it's it's got plant. Life that can somehow thrive in that atmosphere We decide to send a manned mission to that planet in they get their any realize. It's like planner the eighth style sentient trees and then once a year on their version of arbor day. They're like they're like randomly planning people in the ground and watering them. Genetically modified them to grow into these wretched horrid. I dunno know plant. They're stuck in the ground but they they use them to generate the atmosphere in some way as they are genetically modified in grow through the soil. And it's horrible for the people and This guy tries to are like so people are seeds pretty much the once they plant them. They grow into these horrible mutations that emit the atmosphere that the these plants plant creatures thrive in and in this guy tries to lead a revolution with the trees to find trees that are sympathetic to the seeds and stop this horrible already practice. I know what our future should be. Is just writing like netflix movies. Net flicks movies like three netflix series. Let's let let's let john vote. Let's open the voting with john since he couldn't manage to stop talking during that. Okay just to remind you. A reminder we have. We have tree bomb eco terrorism. John or tom We have what. Mike's was holders make. There was two there was either the we have to sacrifice so like the plant so many the guards had tree gods and then mike head tree mutants alien alien alien yards. And then josh shows yours. Just people living in our while the world tree museum or resume joshua's yet a tree trees you ending with nihilism in my clan. The apes trees i jog. I didn't expect there to be so many drastic swaps. But i'm going to go with mike's if i'm being real because i honestly pitched it because i thought of like somehow relaying it into like pan or any other god that actually had something to do with the forest venus so the fact that everyone kind of went a different road. His was closest to what i was thinking. I'm just going to vote for that. One okay mic. What you got tom. I want to vote for. Mike's other alien one. Yeah you seem very interested in. That is so much. So that i might have even stolen. It is because of the. It's yours over there. Feverishly taking notes. Gosh it makes alien arbor day story. That's the winner. My vote is actually. I mean even though it's already lost makes alien seems to be the winner. My votes actually going to be a tree bombs. I really liked the first off. Put by the eco. Terrorist bombing seemed a little. Blase out. burger you it it it just. It seemed like be for on a different day. But then once you mixed it was but once in a crazy scientist character and actually like bombing the city trees s super dope man that scientists to really really pulled it all together and Mike did you vote will resolve if you want yeah Sorry on before. I'm going have to go with the armor off the alien. Juries did take congrats alien trees daily entries for a by the way guys. I counted votes for that too. So technically i one attorney okay before we go any farther. We like to remind you that from this point forward as no sacred ground. We won't desecrate. And i'm going to excavate ranch of this book for your listening pleasure. We're now feminine spoiler territory so if you have yet to read a book and still plan to turn back narrow ohio tom. He's a myth. He's a legend. He's loved worldwide by children and adults alike. But does anyone truly know. The origins of santa claus set in a dark fantastic past of myth and magic klaus tells the story of how santa claus came to be the tale of one man and his wolf against a totalitarian state and the ancient evil that sustains it award winning author grant morrison and artist dan mora revamp reinvent and reimagined a classic superhero for the twenty first century drawing on santa's routes and viking lauren siberian shamanism and taking into creepy side of christmas with characters like the sinister cramps claus is santa claus year one and finally answers a burning question. What does santa claus do on the other. Three hundred and sixty four days a year. which doesn't answer. no i almost. None of that is correct. He might do this but guys so before we get any further. As mike introduced to the listener we are. We all got together a part to a gift exchange so between segments. We're gonna pop open gifts from each other. Try to guess who they're from and we're going to break down whether or not we think they would be a good gift for a new gift recipient. Seems we do right mike. That means your first step. Alright so i will say that i have this very exquisitely wrapped rectangular box. That has a deer on it flannel dear. So if you know who you are who you are. I will say that. I tried to open this up in some nonconventional ways beforehand. I have a burning laser. I took that to it to burn some of it off. That's a little over the top so that are tried to cut it. Open dexter morgan style. Like i had this little razor. Set it on my table as like yes. This tear it apart. Like i thought deck so tear part of sample but then i felt like i being judged by anna lucille currently judging me so i wouldn't open it until now so i haven't actually got to it but yeah i'd i'd love to. This is the time business carrier. You gonna cat right. We have a box his taped all right. Hold on wait. is the box like taped. It's pretty good. And i got this razor blade to make sure we're giving her hope. We'll see ohio. Know who the fuck looks like. There's a couple key chain. sorry. I can appreciate that. There's a book about ilan. Must know how did that. End up with you arch fucking davison suspicious. But what were the key chains. Leaky change where the symbol Do not wish. I knew one of you guys knows. I don't know exactly what they are. Can you describe them One is a elongated devils face with the The tusk the other one looks like in a fantastic four of style. But with a a k figure in a. I don't know now who ever wrap this. What wrapped it very well. Right so not only did i on wrap it in excitement of. Oh this looks cool. I want to on rapid. But then once i on wrapped it here you go. I got a second dose of pleasure. I had the on up into the box and this box was even harder. Because i the tape so then it had to go find a whole another instrument to open. This was delayed gratification. Even more oh my gosh you ever designed this with goddamn genius and opened it up. And here's the best part. I opened it up super excited. And god goddamn meal. Musk is my congratulations. Because that was fucking great but also a fuck you to ever did that. And the keychains are great and now than i got There is i on wrapping. Some more is a nice thin bubble route. And i have faith. Looks like volume The first one hollywood and vine all there you go there you go then. I have but wait. There's more i have some tiem in the u. saga Orange alex good and then finally last. But not least. I have the old guard one. Winning fire nice person wanted to bring you but also didn't want to be to mean. I don't know how they wound up. I mean they may or may not have been hoping it went to. This was very lucky that somehow that particular package would not have come just to everyone at home knows todd's wife did not know what was inside of these and she randomly reassign them so. There was no way to know how that would get some mike. But fate intervened instead elon. Musk go into mike. Oh you haunt me. So who do you think that you sean are you. I second anyone else have any votes. I mean it seems like you. That is going to be false. My friend who that is absolutely not me. God debit in fact. You should have known that was not me because i told you what was me. Yeah but i don't believe who was it. I know who it was. No but i've got a very good idea because one of those books specifically i can tell you with almost one hundred percents certainty that came from josh. Josh is that true. Are we spilling the beans. God josh she got so we can. We can save it for later. But i really got to know what the keychains were. It's a symbol and a mandalorian from the doctor. Was the other one banta school. Gotcha so star wars star wars actor. Josh you're just hoping did you. Did you have mike in mind when you're getting elon. Musk or you just figured out. Nobody's going to enjoy this dude. I did a round robin. And i can from everybody just like your check all the boxes. If you could hit it definitely worked in my favor. It's still solid josh as a very well rounded gift. Congratulations all right. So let's get into klaus grant morrison he is. He's a tough guy to nail down isn't he. Sometimes the should that he writes a so good and sometimes the shit that he writes like so fucking weird that you can't tell if it's good or bad in than a third of the time it's it's not very good in what strikes me the most about claus coming from a writer like grant morrison is how alarmingly boring it is and i can tell from your done. Silence i'm the only one who felt this way i didn't find it. I didn't find it. I really didn't find it boring. Part of that is because i really liked the wars. Aren't we could talk about that later. But what. I did find it. Was i guess for what it was trying to do. It was a little hollow in repetitious. It was santa sneaks in santa fights. Guards sam sneaks out. Since i started santa sneaks out and then like inbetween santa gets hurt elves. Herb spirits save santa santa sneaks in santa snakes scarves or stanford guard six. It's just very very formulaic. And then it didn't do much to reinvent the mythos beyond sin as a tough guy. Yeah exactly that is like my biggest beef with it is compared to something which is going to be the gold standard starry show which is which is did kind of the same thing with witches but everything like organic it made sense and it wasn't like too much of a stretch whereas almost all of the things that make claus. Santa claus are tremendous stretch. Like i don't think in any world is a sled being pulled by wolves ever going to translate into reindeer like this. You're not going to happen. It isn't very cool visual and there are some things that i feel like. He just tossed in there like i almost closed the book and quit the podcast. When i got line like What do you get for the man who has everything is it just doesn't fucking fit and Dude almost everything that almost all the hints that this is santa claus either seem very forced or very last minute like he just like rush did in at the very last minute. The one that i did really like was the elves which i assume the the the spirits of the ice. Yeah just because they were really cool they were they were not like it was not. I mean yeah they were. They helped to make the toys But aside from that they didn't seem terribly like most of what he's doing is like fighting a revolution. This is sort of like when i said toms toms comic pitch was arbor day on earth. V prevented on a different day. This is kind of the same thing this is like. I dunno braveheart with a different skin. He's just he's fighting a tyranny and there just happens to be toys happening some. Are you kidding me. This is a sausage creed with the skin on it. A very mild skin at that. Yeah most of what he's doing is just fighting a tyrant and then also he happens to have toys on occasion that pissed him off. But really you could write this same story without the toys and it would only need a little bit of modification. not a ton. yeah that's l. Reading it you know some some tv shows would be about something and then a holiday would come in here or is as a themed episode doesn't necessarily have to be a holiday and all the characters are rearranged to meet very specific archetypes and the episode. Just doesn't really make a lot of sense and you never really mind because you only ever have to watch like one day out of the year but if that was like the only episode you would never watched the show whereas which is does really well with that that comparison i feel like turning klaus into santa claus and trying to force that in weakens the story overall. I just can't say like yeah which is blends that's like story with is like it. Blends it perfectly into a realistic setting in continues the mythos whereas this like takes like a king arthur or like as standard fantasy story adds a little bit of magic wants to santa claus code on it year. I mean to some extent like aside from some of the violence in this. You could definitely tone it down. Instantly make a a disney movie out of it you know it has all that feel of a very straightforward like fantasy tale. That could lend itself to something like a disney movie to me aside from some of the violence. There is a movie on on netflix last year. I think i can't remember what it was called. It made me cry like trial though and it was about santa claus i watched because the voice cast was really goes called class to. Isn't it dude ventilated right. Are you talking about the one with the malian. Yeah it was the mail and that was fucking Class yeah and i fucking love that movie and hands down best holiday movie. That's coming out in the last couple of years. I tell everybody to watch. It agreed that one got the formula. So right where this one kind of failed like how can we make. Santa claus is coming to town is medieval and brooding as possible right. So let me ask you. The question is what i was getting at before is just because santa claus can't be tough guy. I feel like the whole book was leading up to santa claus fighting cramps. Which i'm certain is the seed that grew this story. like somebody bet grant morrison in a bar like hey. I bet you can't make a action. Comic book about santa claus. Fighting cramps grant morrison was like. Oh yes i can hurrah. Then he went home and he started working on it and realized he just really wasn't that much into the idea. And this is what he kinda crapped out You guys think like you can do a tough guy superhero. Santa claus in believable. And organic way. I think definitely could for sure but it would be more along the lines of like one of the indie writers. I feel like it'd be more like All i'm trying to think of that book that we saw was it the The one with the dungeons and dragons kinda theme raccoon. I be written more like that in that sense. Be more like a lighthearted action round president. A straight up back like i couldn't see him being like a super bass. This is as close as being like a bad ass bad ass in the traditional sense. But i think santa claus for sure is oh p like if you think about it and he could definitely like. I felt like this pairing was going to happen like especially with all the is craze of what the past five years At some point santa claus is going to fight cramps Like if you told me. The theme of the story happened in some book. At some point. I bet yeah. Of course it did but I think this is the only way it could really came out. If that makes sense it has its own place. I think it could be done. But i think the big problem is the santa elements. They take a back seat to the rest of the story like they don't feel like the focus of the store. The focus of the story is santa. having been a former guard trying to go get his girlfriend back and trying to overthrow the tyrant. The focus isn't him santa ing. And if you want to tough-guy santa or reinterpreted santa fine. You gotta be santa. But it's got santa has the central premise. Not else okay john. You've been awfully quiet over there. I i mean. It's the first time i've read the story and i thought it was fun. It was fi. I one yard file was amazing. And that was the first thing that immediately drew to me. Like when i started i think this is great restore did kind of like it just brings in every other moment for. I do like little things like when a giant guard that tried to beat him up like award or something like eating people like accountable or some shit but then it gets crushed by snowball and he makes them into a snow and just little moments like that. That i find really funny and entertaining mike. Oh this score doesn't really hint that him being like santa or turning into santa art art style over wall was great. That's another one of those things like we're if this is like a santa claus origin story. I think what we're supposed to get out of that is. This is the origin of the snowman. But i don't think there's no reason why he would've built like an actual modern snowman on top of this guy see. That's what i thought too. I even wrote down in my notebook. I know man question mark but then we flashback child. He's building snowmen in the courtyard with. I'm gonna call her the princess. I say her actual name anyway. I thought it was like the origins of a lot of things. I kept writing down like i one of this. I one of that in like you see certain flashbacks and like oh shit okay. So maybe he's already been building snowmen for a while. I think this man was just like fuck. You like a teabag moment. now's the santa claus d. bag had right on his bald. I mean he said he was gonna eat them. So don't wanna come off sounding overly harsh. I think the experiment like soup. Santa claus as a superhero. Or this kind of like brooding zack snyder. Santa take we have here. I think that's a failure. But i think if you kinda strip that away or if you just go into it without the assumption that this is the reasonable assumption that this is a christmas story that it is a fun comic like it had some like really groan inducing moments but like it's a it is a real page turner. I thought it was like a fine fantasy outing like it was it. Felt the need for like a robin hood type tail tail. Like i had lived very bad guy. Had the all harrowing like big bulky hero. Dude that's here for the town. The meek people had to have their savior it had all the right like tropes to match the perfect mythical fantasy setting but it just didn't feel like it was christmas story per se without everything being shoehorned into make it a christmas story for sure agreed. Yeah just read. Like the north like mythic tales. Which that's what it was going for. But that's what he did The christmas stuff is. I mean i i see it but you're right. It's shoehorned in their bit. I don't know. I did a lot of things right. Give give me some examples of those things. Yeah so even the way it did it. I like the way it looks kinda cartoony like. I don't know if that makes you how you guys feel about that. But i kind of like the way it feels because to me. The holidays always gets us. I don't know why but for some reason is associated with cartoons to me so the fact that it has more of this animated feel It's still epic but it just feels like it could have been something i watched on. Tv as a kid and it's brutal. But yeah. I just have the cartoon vibe to it and i kinda does that. Since we got into the art. Kind of organically i agree. I think by far the best thing about this comic book is the art. It's just gorgeous drawn. It's gorgeous colored. The art in this comic is like exactly everything that i want in a fantasy comic. It's not too real that we're the blemishes kinda show and you're able to nitpick it up a bit more and there's enough style to keep it interesting and i was looking. Dan mora one a restart. He was nominated rather for a pencil. And inker in the the eisner's for this not this specific series. I think it was like the second or third arc in. I was thinking like the color like really deserved at least a nomination as well but i think he did the color as well i think he was. They had a letter but as far as the rest of the art goes it was. It was a one man. Show for that though. The colors are nice. 'cause they're super contrast it with one another so you get a lot of the lights in the dark dark but not only that is like even with the other colors are supersaturated so just gives us pop all around like the colors really stood out to me. This book gadgets tightly done what they are in this book. Just nice because you got those moments of like fast. Momentum is now like not every panels stagnant little panel the art direction in the panel choices. Great so it reads really well. Yeah i really enjoy dan. Moore's our history is rising I mean he's i say that he's been he's been around for a little while now he's been doing power ranger books. He is about to be taking over future state. Batman i believe taking over or just starting i mean i mean. He's taking over batman with future state. Okay wait is that what future state is. i mean. it's just like a shift in the timeline. Yeah oh i thought feature state was like a limited series or something no everything. That's everything event Everything is is going into the future state for a while. When will dc learn their fucking listen when people stop buying it friend all right anyway so again. Moore's big shit now. Dan more in for for good reason. He's he strikes a really good balance of you know it's it's a it's close to a house like style or traditional comic house was very accessible for anybody who hasn't quite got an appellate or appreciation for excessively stylized. But it is not so generically. How style it's it's still has exaggeration to it and Some exaggeration has got personality. It's still stylized a little more than you normally see for art style similar to this. I'd say he's similar to the ryan outlay camp art where it can follow a very traditional comic style stylized instill very visually identifiable as him. When you add more a book you could pick up on his visual. Cue is that you can say. Oh this is dan burke verses like if you pick up in dc book some you say oh this is dc artists three. Or whatever. you don't really always know So yeah. I really liked that. He can put his own spin on it while still keeping it very similar twitter traditional style. It's ray exaggerated. He does great with his motion and his layouts are really enjoyable. I'm glad that he's finding a home. Dc if that's what's happening is a marvel lately still rely on their house style. And they have their few artists who like never stray from that. But by largely there they employ a lot more like very stylistic artists now and people who kind of danced the line between being very personally stylized and just permanently espousing house style and dc has been long overdue for some of that. Yes the art is what stick at to me is the best part and most enjoyable part but this book hundred percent wasn't a panel or i didn't just stop and look at everything because there's not a lazy piece of artwork in this book. You could just tell that he did everything with care and love. And he has impeccable placement geometry. It's it's really really fun. Book to look at dude speaking of that josh. I totally see that just in the way they lay out panels like the foreground middle ground in the background or done perfectly in every penalty. Great perspective is nuts. One one of the things that dan maura personally really excels at general in his art is actually his His design he does. He's good at both character design in world signed but mostly his character designs. He does a good job creating a visual aesthetic. That will convey character that they will both look good on a page and conveyed characteristics of character that he wants to be able to convey Sir the if you really look at it the character designed for his characters are all very well done in very interesting. The character design is not terribly bland anywhere even in some cases where it doesn't really make sense. I'll challenge you there a little bit. Anybody who's not a major focal point in this character are kind of generic templates. Kids typically going to be a design choice though is you even have characters like the main guard who forget his name like he should have had more of standing out. The main kid should have had more of standing out gunners Old guard. Should i mean the abbey have if the main guard had more to do with the story. The main guard started to get a little conflicted and then ultimately found himself tied up in a chair. He didn't become all that important in this story. We time carl East whose first. Name is carl outta chris in basis girl he he is there to show narrative at distinctly that one. Things haven't always been like the way that they are to not. Everybody believes that they should be the way that they are. Do you know how recalls the actual character design. I think there's a little more to it than just being bland. I think the actually had some thought put himself. Because he's kind of a mixture of mega send Claus in a way you also have to remember like there's only so much you can do with him because he has to be based off the guard template he created right. I'm still has to be a guard but like olov still was a guard but he that one character has more personality than all of the guards in the book. Put together In general but yeah. Yeah you're right. There are some characters. I love the design of campus. I love the design of the spirits. in what you're saying is totally true like you can look at like one glance to these characters and kind of figure out what fantasy archetype they they look like from dagmar to magnus to klaus but in some cases I think that might have been a little bit more damaging to the book because looking at dagmar and already knowing the character that we know that we will learn. She is by. The end of the book is A little if feels disjointed narrative. Li like she should have grown into that character. Visually the same way she did negatively Magnus just from the get go. Always looks like a ski little dylan. But i think that's okay for his case because he has no character growth or depth whatsoever but but dagmar does at least a little bit. I think the most growth in that family is going to be the son. I forgot his name. Michael what's his name. Joe jonas you guys is your name mike. This coupon you bunch a sons a bitches Yeah jonas though he doesn't change much it's more done through his a his personality and mannerisms he i think has more character growth than you see in dagmar I agree but i just think it his the problem with his very abrupt. It's not graduate. All he does is a shit and then all of a sudden has compassion. Will i guess that happens when your life is being threatened. Yes will it is but he was also playing with a toy in his mom finally took like sat down and took the time to kind of like play with him at that point. Set up like a the kind of changes the elements so flight in that direction. I was thinking you're you're not wrong. That is the narrative turning point for that character. In as i was like reading through that passage i thought. Is that okay like does that make up for like what a bastard that kid is owned and i don't really think that it does not but i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and i'm willing to believe that. His running with the cramps was like the life changing catalysts that he needed to come like a rightful and fair ruler of town. Yeah i mean to be fair you. There's only so much you can fight your nurture. He's a product of his upbringing. See i just wanna point out. We went from narrative to art to narrative art. And i think that is a real credit to dan. Mora that when we start talking about his character designs. We can't help but talk about the the story around those characters as well to me that you know that indicates that he has year refute ably linked. You know the actual story in the comic to the visual representation of these characters which is pretty hard to do. Yeah that's what we've talked about in the past about you know using your art not just illustrate the story. But as a storytelling tool it's safe to heighten the comic and and really do more than just be a supplemental Aspect of it to really be part of what tells the story in. This is a great example of art. That does that. Yep absolutely The only two issues. I have is one. They never. Once referred to cramps as cramp is in the book roy. It's definitely implied. But they do not at all. I mean they do go out of the way to call santa santa like a spirit Like they shoehorn the name end but the fact that they don't do that for his opposition kind of does does hinder their goal of making that. That comparison is off. The only thing i can think is that that's the lower of like this before. Cramps was known as cramps like this. The origin story of cramp is so they weren't. They didn't have a name at that point. That's fair. I mean it was just until thomas reading this ops. That said crap is like holy shit. That's the first time. I've heard clearly cramps but before that did you you re reading it. You you knew like this is crap is right. Yeah absolutely as soon as they showed him. I was like that's grampus right. He started walking. And i was like okay. This is definitely cramp is and he was talking about eating children. I was like all right. I mean like more was exactly compass. I really liked this fire tunnel. And what was the other thing. He didn't like the second one texted you earlier about it. Because i read it last night. Yeah we're going to have to talk about that and it was pretty late so maybe i was tired. And i'm an emotional person in general asked few panels where he's dancing with lady dagmar in front of the tree as it does like the time. Skip vibes of the very beginning of up. And i was like. Are you fucking kidding me. We're gonna watch her age. And then literally on the max page die. And then he's not even standing by the casquets off by a tree with lily. And i'm like that's fine if you want to be with the wolf to your somewhat adopted son is standing there alone like morning. His mother like come on. I don't know it just kind of upset me. i was like. What does the law illustrated by that point that he is like the santa claus at just comes around once a year. So he's like. He's like batmans brooding on the tower looking down at his people. No one really knows these there on thinking was ended to be at this funeral but is it just implying that he said about this particular moment. Yeah not only that but it indicates that jonas has also completed his character. You know like he doesn't need something to keep him on the straight and narrow anymore hope so he seemed like he was fine at the end even called them parlor which i was like. Is that like a. Did you adopt him. Did you just adopt that term with klein. They they call them. He called him. Father klaus the first time. So i assume that was some kind of title that they had given him But you you your. Your interpretation will be just as likely now where i kinda double took. That message was like that. Direct up comparison. And i guess i will. I'll concede that it's like ish. It's similar ish to up but think that beginning of up. It's not very long. It's like twelve minutes or something is if it's twelve minutes. It's maybe the best twelve minutes filmmaking Ever because it delivers such a complete comprehensive story that page in the end of klaus all tells us is that dagmar got old prostitute. It doesn't even it doesn't even like concrete lead determined that they were in love or that they were even together and clearly like we have a lot of questions like is is clouds just like a honorary guy there that like helps plan shit or was he like helping raising jonas and this and that yeah i don't know i don't want to beat you up too much over that. That's where the weird jesus in the three stones any any viking experts here on to give us an interpretation on that all the three runes joy he kept obviously pump that one through the whole story. But i don't know what the other to me. See that is one of those that is one of those weird grant morrison. That's like the real interesting grant morrison shining through this kind of otherwise cookie cutters story that in the elves. Like when i saw those elves. A yeah man. That's the grant morrison i want. That's the grant morrison. I love and it's like they're there for a grand total of what two pages yet. I don't know if there's any any viking experts listening out there and get back to us. I have no idea what they mean. There is a bit more claus. I think they're just like one shot events in they maybe they maybe there's different books to deal with those different rooms in this one was just for him to be bringing joy back to this town and then he'll deal with those other two runes. I actually think there's there's been like several this one came out in what two thousand fifteen I think there's been like a claus many every year since then they said they re doing. Am like a doctor. Who can a special. Every christmas is it so there was the first one and then klaus and the which of winter and klaus and the crisis xmas bill. Jesus christ milestone that crying snowman in two thousand eighteen in the twenty nine hundred claus and the life and times of joke. So i'm just going to sign off from claus at the end of this one. I think those eighth ones. It sounds like trying to do like a christmas. Themed headway pretty much. That's exactly what it sounds like. Is anyone else going to bother reading the rest of that. I'm gonna. I'm gonna say that probably own most of those. Oh let me borrow them. Make tom keating through him. Every christmas shift and just have him get habitually more and more tired of it but have to keep going after closes. Every christmas special needs to know is next. Chapter of class is graham worsened. Still writing it anyway So guys is there anything else to say about the man who has everything. I don't we crack into another gift before. We get into more summation yet while. I don't know if there's a whole lot of summation left but we'll find out. We'll find out after the next gift josh shop. I'm looking at a package right now. Breaking down take us through the whole. It's got your your nice little standard red. Bow on top guts anti ddos. Sneh flamingos Christmas flamingos flamingo. Yes they presence there looking posh as fuck okay. So how do you. Let's start here. How do you how do you rate how do you rate the both the execution of the packaging and also the choice of materials. Home presentation is very very classic. It's very it's very nicely wrapped. I'll get. I'll give it a nice Like give an eight point five on the the wrapping presentation by giving me actually is it adds to the area and puts the flamingos in. So it's kind of like san diego's now dig into this bad boy. See what we got in the contents with a good president. You just have to open the corner tab and the rest of just kind of flowers out and you just you just pull. You dislike the box out really have do much of a mess. After that point now on the inside of that box we have a slight fail on that end because there was a tape on the wrapping paper that was connected to the cardboard box which major back to an eight. now on that ramping. Major we got we got. We got an amazon box with stephanie's name on it so i might possibly know where we might have given a clue away here and we don't overstate houston. We have it oversight. As with my box there is a within tapes. It's like opening presents. Mike aforementioned we got that effect going on with this president as well and we're going even further Present -ception here. Because within this present box there is another present. It's wrapping again. It's russian nesting doll of presence as this present within the amazon box fully wrapped or is it just another box. It's wrapped again and this that wrapping paper. What are we got. We got the same suite. Flamingo wrapping paper. And i appreciate that in this when expertly wrapped or is this slum through mutual more hastily ramped it might have been like. They didn't like the wrapping of this so they decided to put the box because they wanted a second. Go at the wrapping. That's what i'm kinda get. so accept. The the second ramp was an afterthought because they wanted to improve on their wrapping game and they did. They did that. That was success. So let's open this bad way. Which is floppy. It feels like a book. I'm gonna guess book and it is a book an understanding comics. The invisible art by scott mcleod. So now i could finally comprehend these materials that we are reading. You guys way better reviews and insight on the books In the future so sweet nobody holding you to a higher standard Do you wanna take a extremely specific guests as to who choose from. I'm going to go. This is a hard swing from tom. I cannot fucking believe. I left the shipping. Your skin so without but without the the shipping label would would your assumption still have been the same. Yeah i think. I would have went straight to tom with the congress talked about this book. It's not like you guys know anybody else. You mentioned this comic every time you talk actually mentioned dow when we were talking about march at some point when dettori or something you give me talking about comics long enough i will one hundred percent mention understanding comics by scott mcleod every time in k. Josh how do you rate on the whole the whole experience. The opening the final present this is. This is also a solid eight soulmate. Gift approved for a new gift. Perceiver approved for a new gift receive. Because i think it's interesting enough for anyone to take a good nostalgic opening process of president should like as a book for anyone to pick up and just kinda like mosey on because it's it's calm book style and teaches you something so it's not like you have to have knowledge of beforehand to enter this book. So yeah it ain't all day wonderful delightful all right so So here how about this. Tom had brought up earlier. that you'll hear it asked. Do you think it's possible to do a tough guy. Santa organically and have it makes sense. Do you guys. What would you change about this book to make it more. Authentically santa in meet read more as santa is the focal point. And not this guy taking down a tyrant that also happens to carry presents with on occasion as as the as the crux of the story. Is there a way could make this more authentically. Santa i would lean in full. Stop into santa. I would stop trying to play the cutesy decoding the myth game. Because i think in less you even unless you look at it any way other than literal. You're still gonna kinda get stuck and I would just go full blown old. Saint nick has superpowers and not only does he use those superpowers one night. A year to give us all presents but he also uses that superpowers to give but weapons to the bad guys. Okay so he's trying to fend off. Christmas and defend the kids while also doing his part to deliver presence. Anyone else have suggestions. Yeah i got your here right. So i think santa is more of a margin boo character. Okay and the sense that he's so open like he knows who he is like. You're gonna come out. He's gonna fuck you up and he's not gonna feel super bad about it and that's just what they're gonna do and i feel like that's his. His jolly nece almost like a mental illness. Kinda like if you've read this book tom. I believe it's three jokers. No no but like instead of a maniacal thing he's just he's maniacally joyous like no matter what he does and the dot is bad guy aspect is like are not bad ass are not. He's bad ass because he's kind of a bad guy to me because he's more of a maniacal like joy. Stir than anything like break. Your kneecaps laughing at you and shit jolly all right. I'm next let's get that next. President going sean. Open your so mine is extremely traditional. It's a small rectangular package with adorned with santa clauses stockings. Chris candy canes. Tom if this runs long it's a special. It's okay that's what makes us special trees. It even says ho ho ho merry christmas. It's taped it's it's wrapped. I i wouldn't say expertly but well. it is wrapped. Well as you would expect this book to be our this This present to be On one of the ends the line on the fold is a little uneven. Looks like the paper tour. Got re-taped but mostly looks good most. The folds are pretty crisp. there's two different santa's spread throughout this. Just kind of pattern. There santa in his traditional outfit. And then santa inez davies some suspenders in long sleeve. Shirt like he'd chiller on the fire. I'm gonna go ahead and has got a nice easy. Seem to grab and pull open. Go ahead yeah okay and this is oh someone got me. The kind of the jewel in the crown of the indiana jones cannon. I have in jones and the kingdom of the crystal soul starring shiloh but co-starring hurt on occasion. Yeah this is. I have to say you know. Indiana jones dun-rite they said let's take indiana jones and do less of him and more of the next guy and also bring aliens and stuff and Yeah so i've got that you know. This is my fourth copy of the movie. Because i like so much that i that i buy it. That often probably came from. Oh it even has. Oh someone went hard This is a two two special edition that even has a book incorporated into it owes. Shoot a dirty. Harry bookcases nice. I'm going to guess. I don't know why. But even when i when i first looked at the wrapping paper i was. I was going to say you know what. This feels john timmy. Am i correct. Every year i try to learn the rap. And i'm not good at it but you're harsh statements. Really cut the. Yeah i i it like just wrapping. I'll give it a A seven The unwrapping experience. I'll definitely give it a nine. It was solid. He left me gaps to grab with my hands. Where i needed. I got that good. Use taped enough. That it did not come. I got that good rip The past the present inside that he picked was shiny and grabbing. So even before. I knew what it was. It got me excited and attracted titillated. So the whole the whole anticipatory process was very well crafted On the whole i give it a pass As far as the movie I joked but in reality like all union generals movies. You're not going to get me to say. I hate it. I liked phantom menace. I like bad movies on infants if even remotely even remotely interesting interesting subject matter. I'm still going to enjoy. This is still an adventure. And i like alien so fuck you guys. Watch my so I liked it. I would recommend it to new gift receivers so that that was john that was john. I wait was that john i mean. He caught the wrapping. Yeah that was. That's amazing i. Can you give us a little background. You pick this honestly whether anyone in particular. You're hoping it would go to know. It was just one of those like tom. Thank you get a gift. And he's like you could make something. And i was like okay tom. We all know. That's a funny joke so it was more like. I already have multiple copies of the indiana jones movies. I have like the whole disc collection. I've got them all separately. I had this one collector's edition. That i never used because i always had the the movie set in. Everything came in that which was similar. And it just like you know. Maybe not portrayed as the best indiana jones movie. But i enjoyed it so it was really good to hear you say that as well. Yep i don't know. I just felt like maybe like it or if somebody really hated it would at least be really funny okay. So now the way that. Let's hear some josh josh systems. Right a harsh winter guys. We're charging through the snow. There was a cabin on the edge of the horizon. Santa was there gave us some soup and shit davis's book to read. He said this is a great grand. Christmas tale for first time readers. Tom do you agree with santa claus. Is this a tale that you would read your children on the christmas eve in also. Would you recommend it to first time comic readers as a standalone com book regardless the season. You know yeah i. I don't think any of us can say this isn't a christmas story. Whether it's a good one or not is is up for debate. But would you re to. Your family isn't a naple christmas. We know it's a story. Would you consider it a staple for christmas now. No not that. I want to read it to my family. I would like give it to them and let them read it or i would perform it with you. Guys as far as i comic book readers Obviously i have my issues with it. But none of i don. I don't think any of my issues Relate to its effectiveness as a comic book in general the story though i have my disagreements with serviceable it works. It's not confusing. Like everything is where it belongs and the art is pretty amazing. So i would still recommend this one so i guess that's a a yes or no for me. Yes the risk time comic readers so it gets the regular stamp of approval but no for the season in time. John santa claus passes you a mug has had spicy spicy nugget. Little spiced do you. Do you take a sip of this. Noggin chairs to the future. We reading this book to the family in. Are you gonna acknowledge. This book is a good first time. Read for new kumba graders i enjoy spicy. Nog and is bounded entertaining. Plus art was beautiful. So i mean i i accept yeah i would definitely give it a pass on both counts on both counts tom on bullet. So we got a double thumbs up from the dwarf. That is john but alright. Michael santa past use of mushrooms back. He wants you to some of that. Sweet sweet santa magic. Okay with your family. You're going to acknowledge that this is a great first time. Read for the folks out there in grizzly centers the happen. We're going to take some of those magic mushrooms and we go take my family and we're going to go on this ride here and i'm gonna take them all the way to grimm's ville and we're gonna learn about the legend of santa claus claus as we shall say. I think this thing is beautiful. The first of all the stories decent but most more than anything the are between the saturation and the contrast and then just the sharp line work that you get in the pictures. It's is beautiful. And just for that. Fact i would recommend it and The stories not terrible. either. So i'm behind it about one hundred ten percent so yes i'm taking a journey both aspects themselves aspects. Thumbs up sean. Santa's passing you. His tweets weeds. Do you're going. Share it with the family would say my feeling as far as recommending this book for christmas book we all said you know it had its shortcomings. It may have. It may not have been the most tactful reinterpretation of the santa mythos. But there's also like aside from the odd christmas special where it's just like a christmas. Themed away book There's also not a ton of decidedly christmas comic. So if you were to ask me. If i were to recommend a christmas comic to read at christmas i think this would be high on my list. Yeah it still is a christmas story. That is enjoyable to read The art is enjoyable. As we've all said. And i think as far as recommending it for a first time reader again if you would with or without the christmas aspect it is a fun kind of every man taking on the tyrant sort of even though he's not really an everyman but you get the type of Of story It's easily accessible. It's easy to fall the artists easy to follow this story. It's easy to I think it's a great jumping on point. There's a lot of action to keep you engaged. It doesn't really low at any point for too terribly long. There's a lot of cool visuals in cool set pieces so it's great for first time reader as well so it's going to be a double. Yes all right so sounds like press in his time. Spirit the parties go and it's nice and warm inside logs vernon and i'm going to have to share the sentiments. I i think i could prove this is a first time Agreed for a certain just on the alone because it's just such a joy the art tells a story spectacularly and the story itself is a great fantasy adventure story as for a christmas adventure. There's sean said there's not many of these that exist in. I think it is a sincere take on. Santa claus is coming to town with an assassin's creed twist so. I don't think it would hurt to add this to the christmas collection. Because it's a nice smooth read. So i'm gonna give it a double thumbs up too so it sounds like santa has had spectacular office party. And everyone's going to be talking about it around the cooler amd before we hear some beeping in boop and i hear some rapid rumbling. What's going on over there. Thomas already so i have got say beautiful gray gift bag. I'm trying to figure out how to describe design. It's kind of an ornate fonda design. You got gypped. You got gypped. Out of the whole unwrapping joy. You see as a kid. I thought the same thing. Like i really disliked. I really disliked gift bags because he didn't get a tear. Anything open with gift bags as an adult though. I appreciate kind of the artistry that gift bags demand you know. Just the ease of doing it. as an adult who hates to wrap presence like i love gift bags. 'cause i just you know fluff some tissue paper up in a really effective way and get a good looking president of so inside the grey bag. I see tissue paper. It's light blue and glitter and white paper. So the colors. They worked together. That's good there's no name on the tag so i don't know who gave this to me. So what i'm gonna do is usually i try to just navigate my way through the bag. Find the president pulled out. But this time. I'm going to remove the whole thing so i'm pulling out all of the paper and everything and i'm removing those tissue papers from it and i see a box. Sits blue with yellow trim says to one hundred fifty light sets three hundred icicle asset but on the front is written. Trolls kettlebells stuff. So i don't exactly know what trolls kill. Bill stuff means. But i'm going to open it up and What do i got. I'll be damned. It's troll so there's like a mummy gerald with like spooky blood but orange share and sweaty trolls. Weird hair that you could flip back and forth dude. There's like you a dozen or more and they're all different sizes. I definitely need to all got different colored here. I'm running into their like mystery envelopes in here as well and they're not all at the top. They were like kind of interspersed throughout slew. many trudel. there's also volleyball. I have to assume that a Accessory for one of the rules out there is a christmas troll with scarf elf shoes. I really appreciate that are like different sizes. They out all of the same size troll. Okay so i'm going to. There's a piece of paper on the bottom. Should i read the piece of paper. I should open the envelopes i. I've envelopes open the envelopes. So in the first envelope. It's a several folded piece of paper and there is g mail from petsmart but it is too high comic door. Come and get it. Your order is ready for pickup. Curbside pickup from the santee petsmart for one guinea pig six guinea pig two dozen trolls and six guinea pigs. That i have to go pick up from bed smart and in the second one. Oh boy there is a suggestive image is it's a it's a beefcake it says we're waiting on us. Natura sugaring melt in wax. Spa one man's zillion wax the amount adrian voucher. Twenty dollars with natura Never expires the emotional value expires. April eight two thousand one. Two dozen trolls six guinea. Pigs a man's zillion and then at the bottom. There is a slip of paper says disclaimer and release of liability. This waiver serves to document that the new owner of sixteen troll dolls has been made aware of the fact that the item or items being purchased have been confirmed undocumented to be the vessel vessels for supernatural or demonic possession. The item or items questions in question have been observed moving under their own power. Take talking or reciting and -tations and performing rituals. The owner has made this purchase fully. Sorry the new owner has made this purchase fully informed of the nature of the item or items the owner has been made aware of the risks involved with the ownership of possessed vessels and in signing this document releases the seller from any and all liability associated with the purchase and subsequent ownership of a demonic or possessed vessel informational booklets about exorcism and containing emergency contact. Resources have been made available to the buyer said buyer decline the literature. So here's the giveaway. I m pretty spot on at seller was arthur hernandez and the buyer was exactly who. I would have guessed. Sean corbin soc. Unfortunately i could not hide that. Part sean sean. Gifted me sixteen cursed possessed. Troll dolls man zillion and six guinea pigs a song that the spectrum there appreciate that show man. I have got to take a picture of all of these because no one will ever believe it. Box walkers dolls that's exact- is become reality. Is he coming back. So what an adventure opening it. Yeah like ten out of ten. That was a wild fucking ride but as far as like the gift for a new First time gift receiver. I'm going to have to say no if you open your very first. President in that present is sixteen curse role dolls. Then you're probably not going to be inclined to ever open another box again. Yeah and i mean there's also a lot of responsibility involved in new pet ownership will time six year refundable the six guinea pigs. Both actually the all all of this is refundable from what i gather. Oh yeah. I'm pretty sure arthur won't by the by the dolls beck will. Thank you sean. What i'm here for men's lienz you but she saw. I'm pretty sure that's just like the balls in the but well i take care of those myself already. Trust us man. what a ride. That was that commotion the curse dollar. Start up i mean. I don't think i. I think he actually bought crystals tom. I don't think clearly he did. It had an official document. I definitely did go by grace and did not have sixteen dolls just lying around. No these these are not noodles. They look they look aged and haunted. They all have like a tortured expression on their face. That's cool. It's gonna to lead into the next halloween special. I mean i hear in the distance if you wanna beep boop. We could take it intermission from the christmas tree in that sweet sweet machine has offer shown. Pull that lever all right pulling the lever and it is taking its sweet time. I don't know if you guys can see this over the audio. But i Changed the led's to red and green for for christmas themed Very festive and Didn't work they're all orange for some reason even though i bought red and green but just you know know that that was the intention was reading green and i still feel christmas in my heart. Which is kind of wild. Because last time they meant to be orange and purple but they were somehow always red green and orange and purple. Obviously for for What was it. The start of surfing season traditional traditionally classic surfing season colors. Yes okay readout says let john openness present dickhead today. All right whatever. This thing is to get shit under control unbought to tear it apart yet. Don't look at me like that. You heard me doubts of barely down to the core every single nut taking it off I don't think it's going to give me anything until you go ahead and hit your eight year. Run josh. What john would he got bill in make it real cinematic hate john john. Start nope gun to the back. Nope nope get done for. Give me some gusto john. And so two episodes guy gusta both times. I got a guest. Yes so You get you get gusto or you give gusto you. Can i think both certainly well with every time giant blue bag which has a candle holder on it. And i'm pretty ignorant of the fact but tonight so politely pointed out when i was like. Oh yeah it's a candle holder. She's like no they're minora minora. Is it an empty minora. Did they go and get you a candle back with them like so cheap that the candle bag couldn't even go ahead and put candles in the minority. Couldn't afford the graphic artists to draw in the flames. Or are there actual candles. It's actually very lovely. Says love light. And there's they're all candles although there are candles in it that would have been an extreme oversight of his love and light and then had an empty minority owned by what may or may not be on the inside. Hopefully it's a drag a dildo. We can only hope you liked. There's only a couple of pieces of tape a couple. I mean one two three four five six pieces on the bag or on the contents of the bag. I know on the on the top to keep it closed. Which sure there you go. That's combining the russia's of a bag with the joy of having to cut the tape you know he's trying to give you both you have to open it. But also he didn't spend much time wrapping up your cut. The territory even started. Because i didn't seem like an asshole. Let's let's go ahead and circle back to that tape. Cutting experience is good until he tried to cut the baggage. The tape so much stronger than the other. And then i realized that the bag so the tape cutting experience. I'd give a definitely not in the one point. Because i'm an idiot okay. So gift giver points. Because john dunbar job on the inside. This is my favorite part. There's no wrapping paper whatsoever or any of that flooding like no no filter bernie already there. It's unlike a slow buildup or like a teaser. Anything right there in your face. I would almost go so far as to say it's like the chicken nugget equivalent of other the richest of wraps. You wanna talk about some about the put on my window sale. If you didn't know is still alive in a very well so much. So that they made deadpool bekker's planter in case you were wondering easy to do on the grow into the contents are the following. She packet for three plantings. So i don't know what that means. Do you put all three in at once. Where do you plant one. Let it die mourn the loss about one then plant the you. Is that like chia admitting like hey we know we have a ship planners their garbage. But you get at least a lot of garbage will die. Here's your other chances to make if maybe that's the other side is like hey you're buying a cheetah pet. We know you second gardening navy. You can get it right one out of three head. I mean i hope so. I do our planning. So there's a plastic tray. I don't know what that could possibly be for the chia pet. Deadpool handmade planner easy to do fund. The girls kind of looking afro in the phone. It sounds like a bob. Ross will use. That's a perfect way to the wonderful so the gift. The the the unwrapping process the gift itself house. Our house are a review there. I'm not gonna lie. i would. Actually it was really nice because it's not one of those a box on a box box thing where you're like. Oh i laughed at three times but if you do this two more times i'm gonna stab you in the jugular so now. We know the like box box inside another box with a label. giving away who it was goodness. You didn't get one of those present in a bag. It's like yo. Take this. And i appreciate that. It's it's like half a bag. Nuggets picked at four twenty five or sixteen minutes. That's strangely specific. That's so i'm gonna go with. Maybe okay all right wonderful. I honestly i'd see great. I liked the bag. It's really nice holiday. You'd recommend this to a new gift. Receiver absolutely horrific experience inside the fired back on its own. It seems satisfied with our with our offering of john's gusto. Spitting out another readout. This one says no. I'm not but you guys can read fables. oh k- that serves it it's done. It's done matic next episode. i'm over it. This one head gained too much sentence. It's got a little too sure of itself. And i'm over it specifically select two point. Zero is instructing s to read fables volume one legends in exile by bill willingham and land medina from vertigo. Comics is at one. If that's how you choose to interpret it this. If i remember correctly was fed into matic by a fan so i can't ask any of you guys why you picked it. But they picked it because of a reason that a the oldest of fairy tales. The i don't have it in front of me. I thought i remembered it. But i remember that very specific part of it. It was selected by tobias. Toby for short and they selected because of the oldest tales fairy tales. That's not much of a reason. If i would be honest but it doesn't really doesn't really describe the comic either in any way doesn't describe the comic doesn't describe why they picked it. But you know what. Toby speaking toby's truth and i will not berate them for it unlike and with that. Tom's gonna take us to the end of the show and with that our job is done. We invite you to join in the conversation. Send in your own recommendations by reaching out to us. We're on facebook twitter and instagram as comic doors on all platforms or you can reach out to us by email at comic dwarves at gmail.com tune in next time as we tackle our next comic door of selection fables. Don't forget san diego listeners. You can get twenty percents off both clues. Volume one and fables volume one at kamikaze by using our super secret code word select automatic for the comic dwarves. I'm tom davis. I'm excited for some wrench on machine action. I'm grateful for not getting the chris blocks trolls. I'm very thankful for mike. For the chia pet you could have just said i'm john butler at thank god for you on musk. This is michael brown until next time. Guys keep digging. Now you're gonna wrong. Wait didn't hold on did you. Not even you didn't even use me on the whole time. I thought i'll needed for a second there except for john. Wait are we who mike are. You dinky do. I'm doing my gosh. I had okay. So here's what happened. I was scroll down to see the the chat. So i didn't see my sound wave so i saw two of them were muted as like. Oh it's me and josh Were in the closet together So at least. I have a buddy in here has feel but then i realized i'm not josh or dinky. Do i was definitely the one that messed tom up and he could have done it again. I am looking at the wrong.
Rock Candy Ep. 151: John Lennon Part 2 - Art Student Meet Cute
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But unfortunately i do because i have an extremely short commute to work so i just leave it on santa's nothing else comes in and other feeling so. Have you ever noticed that. The beatles are never ever played on classic rock radio stations. Oh shit you know what. I've never noticed that are played on oldies radio. Stations like mid sixties an earlier but never on classic rock radio station fucking which is weird because they were around and kicking until the seventy or nineteen seventy right and they play sixties rolling stones songs also. They'll play paul mccartney and wings songs right and they will play that version of come together by arizona's fucking hay day. Love that song. they really do. They won't play beatles. Why do you think that is. I do think there's like a secret like agreement like never play all songs on the radio. I know on the classic rock won't be played after one of smells like teen spirit. It's no classic. Rock don't have a very lovely structure on your channels. The i have no idea. That's fucking. I never noticed that before. It caught me for some reason. The other day. When i was driving to work of fucking beatles song like what the fuck you would think that they would play like revolution or i don't know lucy in the sky with diamonds or something but the tone the we'll play covers though. Yeah they sure will. They'll play knock. Knock knocking on heaven's door by fucking guns n. Roses till the cows come home for can hate that song. I hate it too honestly. I don't really need to hear pretty much any guns and roses song ever again because of classic rock. Yeah so like what the fuck classic rock stations. Somebody knows what the fuck is up. And why you don't hear the beatles on classic rock or maybe it's just our classic rock stations. No i mean. I never heard them growing up either but then again not that far from here but it'd be thing maybe but also the classic rock station that i usually listen to as an iheart radio stations. All now pretty much unless it's an independent station. It's pretty much all iheartradio. Yeah pretty much. that's sadder i mean. It's no different than when all of them were owned by. What was it clear water. Oh clear channel. Clear channel. Clear channel water revival clearwater. I think has something to do scientology so same thing. Jeff man yeah conspiracy. I think so. Let's make it up all right ready ready. Do it by the end of this episode. We need to have that conspiracy figured out on the internet. All right i am working on my pepe. Sylvia board sylvia board. We're gonna fuck in charlie day. This real hard yeah. I'm already on it. I've got the suit and tie or the sheer shirt and the title. It's go shirt in the tie. Shoes lips in the all the things to make a conspiracy. We got it all right. Well going to rock handy your weekly keyboard warriors. Oh no everyone already hates us. I know you're tony to be hated by the five people who like us line. Just go full circle. Just everybody fucking aid us. You know what everybody loves the villain. Maybe that's how we're going to get love. How we get loved is by going full. He'll turn full. Joe rogan ra. Oh god i don't even know if this is all a bad idea where your hosts maggie. I'm ashley and we're not going to be joe rogan. We're full a bad ideas. Oh my god we were so full are here to bring you the the up to date up to the minute conspiracy theories through to do to do to conspiracy the res perfect. I mean we make a lot of them as we keep drinking. We're drinking a lot tonight. We have. We have many things to beverage on. But we'll get to that in a minute Yes welcome fact rock candy. Most of you are probably hearing in waiting for the second part of john lennon. If you are what are you doing with your life. But i think that these have been fascinating and we are insightful and intelligent humans who did the research and have thoughts and a lot of headaches because of all of the research yes i will say it was quite freeing to start working on my next topic because it wasn't a beetle. Yeah i really can't wait for after this. I never want to hear a beatles name ever again now. I don't wanna hear shit about any maharishi is. I don't want to hear anything about yoko ono. Neither no so. They're all along all life. Some of them are live. some of them are dead. And everybody's doing their thing and it's great and everyone is still probably idol worshiping the wrong people. Yeah yeah there's be a lot of that today. yeah ooh all right. Yeah well we are doing a lot to get through this then. We first of all cracked open a bottle the this we didn't advertise this but we cracked open a bottle of clyde spider cider. Yeah we're just a pumpkin cider. But kind of a wine. Yeah but also definitely tastes like apples and not pumpkin. No it's like a cinnamon a mini symphony mini. Going on there. it does it. Smells like a pie. Yeah quite lovely. It's actually really good drier than i thought. It was a little skeptical looking at the bottle. Yeah you look it up and you see it. And i don't know that it's actually quite good. It's really good if you look dry actually even if you like a sweet. I think there's enough sweetness to keep going There you go then. I am thinking A nice lovely berliner style vice beer. It's from sky. Gazer brewing company called watercolors nanno. And it's a blackberry mango mixed in this delicious beer. I thought it was the other way round mango blackberry. Oh no i thought it was called sky gazer and it was from brewery called watercolor. I did the same thing. they did. The label wrong. No it works. Because once i like really okada. It's quite good. I do really like this. Nice fruity little beverage. Mario myself a little clicked up and ready to go for john. Yeah good thing. This pumpkin cider is eight percent because we need it And i would. I would say that this beer can relate to john because it's watercolors and john was an art school kid. Probably painted with watercolors sure. That's my new favorite things to correlate the beer somehow at the art also. Were talking a lot about yoko. She was also an artist. So art makes are usually much more of an artist like visual artists and visual artists. yes but art period. John and yoko equals art. Well let's start see where it goes. We last left our anti hero. It was nineteen sixty three in his son. Julian was just born. He went on vacation but not with his new wife instead. Going to spain with the beatles manager brian on john was new father in nineteen sixty three but he had nearly forgotten his own. Alf was working as a dishwasher. At the greyhound hotel in middlesex when he realised his son was a super famous musician. You just drop the cat. He was about two sons famous on need to go see him. He was using a scrub. Brush 'cause like alf job. His dad matt out on a cat's head. Like yes is trump. Just run with the mouth cat's head in his mouth still seeing so he paid a visit to his son in nineteen sixty five rolling into the nem department store with a journalist. Asking to see john Okay that's a bit present to us. He right which makes me think he must have gone to the journalists. I been like. How can i get a hold of john. And he was like well their manager. Brian epstein so let's department store that seems like a good bet like how pre internet ladies and gentlemen ship. Ekran brian set up a meeting between the strange father and his son in a panic but john was brusque simply asking. What do you want. Of course you know. What good for. John i probably would have said the same thing. In this scenario. I am going to be on. John's side a hundred percent own. I'm sorry now you wanna be. My dad did you. Did you stop paying out with the pirates and decide to be a dad. Oh and you brought journalist. Oh great. this doesn't seem suss. Oh yeah and he ended the meeting within a few minutes. good then alf to kenwood. John and cynthia's home in weighbridge three weeks later to try again. This time without the press and john wasn't home so cynthia entertained him for hours while he waited even given a free haircut. You know what like. Cynthia just seems like that. Nice lady who is all right. You know you hear. I guess. I'll give you head You might as well look nice when you meet skin based on. Yeah you son you look like you might be go behind alleys and look for cats. Let's clean up a bit. You almost look like a furry alien who likes cats. He never got to see john that time but he got a nice haircut anyway. Let's john made an effort to connect with alf after that but all hopes of a father son relationship were dashed when alf put out a deeply embarrassing to john album called. That's my life my love and my home what he put out an album. What yeah was him musician. He was and he wasn't like a great musician. I've never heard of al flin. He was like the kind of guy who like would pick up a shield banjo on the the ship and entertain his mates with like simple drinking songs. Wow yeah he was the bard of the pirate ship. Yeah right it was cleared to john. The alpha's trying to write his coat tail so he stopped talking to him. That's you know what that's really sad. It's deeply embarrassing. Like i feel embarrassed for alf. Because i'm sure it was not a very good album and everyone said it was not good. So yeah i can see where he'd be like oh so has album that he's releasing just after all the presses like john's reuniting with his dad so yeah i'm i would under. I understand how john would think that he's kinda just trying to make money off of his son again. He's one hundred. Oh i don't know. I feel bad for john. I'm i feel worse for alf. i wouldn't. I don't have a bed. Ralph in any form of this is doing this to himself. A hundred percent everything he did leading up to this and afterwards he did to himself like. This homeboy has led the worst life and every decision was his own. Yeah also like your left. Julia who was a sweet babe. So like choices. You coulda done everything differently. You could have done it right. Yeah and you didn't. He didn't the last time john saw his father was on john's thirtieth birthday. nineteen seventy. he invited alf his much younger wife. Pauline who is eighteen when she married alf fifty six. No that's a no for me dog. Big old no and they had two kids so cool. Yeah and their eighteen month. Old son was with them brought to his house for lunch only to launch into a screaming tirade against his father for abandoning him. As a child john had been going through primal therapy with a heavy emphasis on the childhood traumas caused by his parents abandonment. And let it all out. It seems like alpha shook and never spoke to his on again. He likes sent out an official statement through his lawyer about it. I'm sorry alf lawyer. Yeah al a lawyer now. I guess he's really moved on up in his life. Yeah and cynthia. And john even employed pauline for a short time after they got married and she was just supposed to do like secretarial stuff in openness fan mail and she couldn't handle it she even live with them and she couldn't handle it and they were like you got to go. You're just bad you're just not good shortly after. This was the infamous night at the dentist's which young queen album in queens took lsd. And they're like let's redo its the oprah but we'll do it on lsd who just pull each other's teeth in friday's like fucking touch and touch. Matab i need these. I can't even do a free accent anymore. My british accents or so. Now it's all liverpool's. I don't even know what my accent is. The only way. I can do an english accent now is if i go down and then go up. That's the only way szekely. We'll ringo now every day this while the rest of the beatles and their hangers-on decided psychedelic drugs. Weren't there bag. The same can't be said for john. And i was wrong about this when i set it in my george episode. The other guys are pretty much like gal. St is cool but we're like done with it. John was like no. I fucking love this. Yeah the other guys. Were pretty much like i'm really cool with ha. Yeah pods cool. I don't really need anything. I think they would save. Lsd for like a nice special occasion right when they were like all going out on the town or something. You knew really strikes me as bit of a lsd of eighty learn. John continue to use. Lsd daily insisting helped with his creativity and songwriting. It doesn't mean maybe but don't rely on that maybe if you did it a couple of time. Yeah it like a weekend thing. It like does tend to for some people. It does tend to open their mind getaway does. I'm not trying to say like it doesn't yet. But i also think that when you say it i hate when you say it helps them creativity because then it's like sounds like you have a crush crush new you're having some writer's block and maybe there's something else we should work. Oh yeah oh yeah. We're talking about john lennon. Of course no one in his life wanted to trip as much as john so he was soon bringing home. people would and those people were sketchiest. Fuck no way. Cynthia was uncomfortable and worried about julian but even worse john was a completely different person. While under the influence he would spend hours in a translate state unable to be reached or shaking into consciousness. So that's kinda terrifying. Yeah just a little bit. The massive quantities of were changing john's personality. It started out with only changing when he was taking drugs. But eventually the personality changes stock he went from being a pretty calm and collected dude to someone that lashed out violently. At any given moment he will lose his temper. At the drop of a hat often screamed at julian for miniscule and like making a mess while eating because he's a toddler is he's a toddler and that's what they do joon a mess. Don't have tom. they're the most uncoordinated things on this planet. You know what though price still more coordination than your other like crazy. Lsd addicted friends. Probably it was affecting his marriage to a debilitating debilitating degree also. John thought that his life was going in a new direction with these drugs and that didn't include his family yet and didn't ca- cynthia was like no. I don't like this. She did do it a couple of times i did. And every she did like a total of like four times and every time she was like a hate it lay. She had trips. Yes she she was just kind of person that had bad trips every time she did it. Also i'm sure john was not the best person trip with probably. Not if you are a person who is not necessarily comfortable with it. John doesn't strike me as the type of person who's gonna make you feel comfortable while tripping Arguably hetian tripped wants and let her trip instead and he could have talked her through it. Yeah he's a he's tripping and she's tripping there's like zero control or at least like if he's babysitting her he can kind of you know walk through it feel comfortable but it's almost like john's really selfish home no on a trip to yeah and also this was the mid sixties so like not. Everybody realized wait. We kind of had to do. Yeah that's lsd like nowadays. Everyone has been around psychedelic drugs long enough to be like okay. Now i'm gonna have you do it. I'm going to guide you through it. You have to hold your hand. If something's weird i will help you. Just gonna sit in the woods for five hours and you're gonna love it. Yeah but lake. Yeah they didn't do that. Battle sounds weird. Sounds very unlike john. The app From cynthia's point of view. John didn't want anything to do with them anymore. And this was the beginning of the end of their marriage. Nineteen sixty six was an interesting time for the year started out with huge right up about the beatles in the evening standard paper john was quoted as saying the beatles were bigger than jesus and at rock and roll was going to outlast christianity. No one in the. Uk really thought twice about his remarks when they were released. But then a us. Publication called datebook bought the interviews and reprinted them in july The actually chose a different quotes. John from the same interview for the front page. Knowing would row people up. Americans never wants to let a barely insulting mark about christianity. Go without immediately reaching for torches and pitchforks. Did exactly that once. A radio station in alabama got a hold of the magazine. They started destroying beatles records on air and staging record burnings for the record record The quo they had like a bunch of quotes. Yeah on the magazine cover and the top one was from paul. It was a quote that was taken extremely out of contacts and also used the n. Word but that one didn't get anybody in the american southall clutching their pearls. It was the same that the beatles were bigger than. Jesus fucking really. Yeah that's locking really by one that would nowadays. That is exactly how the reaction would be in the south in the south. Yes ear alabama. Would hunt would one hundred percent still have that reaction. Yeah definitely would not care if somebody dropped an n. Word but man you insult. Jesus how dare you any wasn't even insulting. Jesus jesus he was just commenting about how like beetle. Mania was so fucking ridiculous that it felt like they were bigger than jesus well and he was making commentary. That is not factually inaccurate because honestly christianity is dying out with things like rock and roll. You know our enduring. Yeah and we are worshiping celebrities and even governmental figures bigger than we would treat. Jesus now right we are in. I don't think that's healthy. Either i think in general we always find that we need something to idolize and now we are reaching this point in john saw this back then that we are starting to turn our idols into celebrities and musicians and and also murders for martyrs instead of like just being killed as a people and like replacing jesus with those so he actually for what it's worth he wasn't wrong he wasn't wrong and he was really ahead of his time with that. Thought i agree. I mean he if nothing else. John was a very intelligent man and could read the room. He was extremely intelligent and like a lot of people who are on his level of intelligence. He's also kind of psychotic of sociopathic. And i don't think he doesn't entirely use it for good though. He knows he's extremely smart and because of that he knows how to manipulate people. That and i think it had he had this level of hubris naughty could say that they didn't understand america and also i'm sure he was not thinking that his words will be reprinted because you're right in the uk. They didn't care they don't give a shit because some things in the uk. They are far ahead of us on dal and that's in religion is one of those things so he knew it wouldn't really nobody would ban. I add it in the uk but he was not counting on it to be reprinted in the us. And that's when the shit happens shit. Has the fan indeed. Even after john gave half ass apology and the media deemed the issue over and done with protests continued during their us tour. Eventually the fuhrer died down however unbeknownst to john or anyone around him this would play a huge part in his eventual death. Oh yeah a lot. I'm gonna leave. Leave that little cliffhanger right there. You're just gonna look. There's a little tab on that page dog year that you guys can come back to that in a little bit. It was also this year that the name. Yoko ono started floating around in john's atmosphere yoko. Yoko ono you go on. Oh yoko ono co your can you make a fucking who. He had heard of her avangard artwork in pegged her as a weird art lady. that was off her rocker. I mean not wrong. He's very astute. Which i mean this in the nicest way not wrong. But then he went to one of her exhibitions in london. He went the day before the opening at the behest of his friend. John dunbar galleries owner. You'll go had a piece called hammer. A nail where patrons would hammer and nail into a piece of wood and then it would become a communal art piece. that's fun That sounds very arctic. He wanted to be the first to hammer a nail into the would but yoko refused to allow it after finding out who john was. Because she didn't know who. The beatles were apparently allegedly good. For her she said if he paid her five shillings. She let him hammer and nail to that he said i'll give you an imaginary five shillings and hammer in a match hammer and imaginary nail in me q. Since it was the most of noxious ever ever seen art student me. I would rather hammer and nail into my own eyeball and then they would use that as there are are. John has said that that was the moment that the two of them got each other. Meek you me out really meet barf barf cute later. Yoko found out. John took a bite out of her apple exhibit which infuriated her. That is really fucked up kinda funny though in a way because like her apple exhibit was just an actual apple sitting on a pedestal and it just said apple that is kind of funny actually and he just walked by like half walked by it and stopped went back looked at it took a bite out of it put it back and walked away to is the most art student shoot. You're right i hate it. I hate it all of this. I hate this story i hate. It was the worst part. I never want to come back to it ever again. Yeah i fucking hate this once. I'm done with this. I'm leaving the beatles and were divorcing. All right i'm dying. You heard it here. First folks at least a forcing the nevertheless yoko started calling john she sent him letters and regularly showed up at kenwood looking for him but whenever cynthia question why she was around john insisted she was just a crazy starving artists looking for money. I mean no offense. But that's a believable. Excuse is but he was definitely trying to fool himself and cynthia not doing a very good job. No everyone's like you know. We all see right theory roy if this was also kind of the beginning of the end of his marriage and he didn't want to be in it anymore so he was kinda trying to get caught already. Have cynthia be like fuck you. I'm done with this. But she didn't do that for both of their ends. I can say sympathetically when you were getting to the end of a marriage and you know it's the end get don't want to admit it. Yeah but i don t here anymore and you do everything you can to try to act like. Nothing's wrong until like one day. You're like oh god everything's wrong and this was not right. Yeah so. I understand where they're both coming from here. Yeah and i actually feel kind of bad for both of them. Because it's a shitty situation be stuck in. It is the beatles and their partners went to maharishi mahesh yogi's ashram in nineteen sixty eight and it was a mess from the start as we have discussed time and time again. Cynthia new their marriage was failing and throughout the entire trip. John ignored cynthia. She was hoping this would be a fresh start for them. But john's ice cold demeanor aloofness was the nail in the coffin. And i believe throughout this chirpy really missed yoko. yeah turns out that entire time. They were in india. Yoko was sending letters to john He was like waking up early and going out for a walk but he was going to the post office to get letters from yoko and send some to her. Ooh ooh but that is when he wrote the song. I'm so tired and it was really just about being tired of lake. How much he missed. Yoko much hated his marriage. How much like. I used to listen. I'm so tired all the time. I sometimes so tired boot. I'm really tired to john. I get it. I do like my thyroid is just not working. It's broken and the said like i am tired of cam and nothing's working upon returning home. John didn't even try to hide it. He was in a relationship with yoko. Yup they had been talking the entire time. They were in india and now yoko was coming to kenwood while cynthia was on vacation in greece. John invited yoko to their house. They recorded music in the attic. Which would later become their two virgins album and then had sex afterwards. Cynthia came home the next afternoon and found john and yoko sitting in their sunroom yoko wearing her bathrobe nope staring at each other in kind of a trance. When john finally realized she was in the room he just said who. Hi oh hello. John was his is bullshit. I did not sleep with ice. Left fucking is left her a lot in our bed all over this fucking house. Cynthia stayed with jenny. Boyd and beatles hanger magic alex after fleeing kenwood in tears then magic. Alex compounded a terrible event with even worse bullshit by attempting to seduce cynthia who rebuffed his advances. Who asked you magic. Alex first of all is magic israel lane. That's what they called him. He has does he think he is like a magic dick. Well magic man. He was like he was kind of an engineer. That would build these lightboxes. That john really liked to look at when he was tripping on lsd. So the beatles kind of brought him in as like kind of just like fuck and tinker box maker. Tailor soldier spy. I don't wanna give him that movie's boring. Was he a magic. Not even that good. That's really what anne was thinking about that. No no now. She's talking about good dick. Yeah she was saying about good dick. So i'm assuming this have good ideas really hate this guy. Yeah he's he's kind of awful. Yeah he was pretty much just around to do all. The bullshit blake dumb tasks for john. He was a bullshit task rabbit for john. Bullshit task grab it and really nobody fucking like. I don't even know why he was there. And he's like cynthia sleep with me and she's like what the no use like. I've always been in love with you. And she's like what the fuck are you talking about and going to bed. Fuck you think. I can really handle this mentally. Go fuck yourself. And then he came into the bedroom while she was trying to sleep and tried to fondle her. And she's like fuck off nope no no no. No yeah yeah. She went back to kenwood. A couple of days later determined to hash things out with john and john and cynthia agreed to try and work things out but then cynthia goes on a trip to italy with her mother when she got back. She was handed divorce papers drawn up by john. He was suing her for divorce on the grounds of adultery. Wa- with roberto bassanini. The son of the couple that owned the italian hotel. she was staying at what. Yeah to capital. Be ball on this motherfucker. Yeah wish a motherfucker. Would the hilarious thing is is that when she was in italy she pretty much just stayed at this hotel with julian and her mother But the hotel was owned by people that were good friends. Yeah of them of the beatles and of cynthia and roberto was their son And he agreed to escort her and another girl that she made friends with in the hotel out on the town. Thanks when they came back magic. Alex happen to be there. Why what why. Hugh who asked you to come along magic alex. Who is you to bring your bullshit here to italy. And he was like john's gonna divorce you. I'm here to tell you. I'm here to do such a good deed until you that that john's going to divorce you so now can i climb in bed and fondle you basically fuck you. I hope he got hit by a bus. That happened to him but hopefully so yeah to cynthia clear that jon heder followed while she was in italy and she claimed she never cheated on john and assume john also got magic alex to seduce her the day. She found him and yoko in their house because he wants to have this guilt. Free divorce where he blatantly cheated. All news yoko. Yeah and she didn't. And i knew she did so. He tried to have magic alex fucker and then he could say well. You fucked magic. Alex to one named imagine. Nobody believes that magic. Alex is that guy. Like when you're hanging out with a huge group of friends like maybe college post college and he's always trying to get some yeah but he never does because his name is magic. Alex i fucking hate this jones shit and then magic. Alex was probably in italy the whole time following her and just happened to be there when she got back from her outing with roberto and was like he's going to divorce you girl so you should let me tell you god. I hate everyone right now. I'm so mad. But yeah. If alex could get her to sleep with him than john would have irrefutable proof that she cheated on him and therefore have grounds for divorce but didn't she didn't sleep with him though but john suter for it anyway even though he was the one cheating on her flames on the side of my face. Dear god make me a bird. So i can fly far far away from here. I can't. that's i- infuriating. I just wanna slip this out here to. Everyone is like John lennon love love. Yeah love everybody. Loves peace also blatantly cheated on his wife and then try to say that she's the one who cheated and that's why the divorce. I fucking hate a motherfucker by just getting worse from here. No by then. The press was publishing photos of john and yoko walking hand in hand well before the ink could even dry on the divorce papers. They were rarely ever seen apart even during the divorce proceedings. Yoka would follow john to the bathroom. a not. even kidding ill. yeah and the press was not nice to yoko. They row incendiary pieces on her. Which were often racist. And sexist. And i don't give a shit what you think about yoko right. Don't write that kind of shit no like. There are things that yoko did during this that. I'm not super cool. Is and there are things that she will do in the future that i'm not super moen but overall i never want to get that mad at the woman in this or this woman man yet. Ever the the other person because you don't know what they're telling them like you. Don't john saying to you. Yeah you don't know. If like john telling her this is totally colson. Doesn't care yeah. He's are also the cheapest shots you can fuck. You may want to insult somebody or or make a good argument for why they are a terrible person. You need something a lot deeper than will she is. She's a dirty jap and cheese. A shitty woman shouted seductress. Batch it makes me vomit disgust. That's not even a good argument. You need something way. Better than that to make me not like somebody critics. She does things she does that. Make me not like her. Yes but her being japanese and her being a woman are two things that i am not angry. Yeah those those are completely not a part of anything you can or should get her for not at all. Those are completely separate from anything that she does is an action of a person. Yeah so fuck you. And john took these insults personally as i would to saying there is no john and yoko. They are one person insulting her means insulting him. He even insisted that he be referred to as john and yoko all one word because they are one entity but also this seems like an unhealthy relationship. A little bit over yeah. He's he's a little bit preoccupied with with yoko. Yeah a little like this. Just yeah completely unhealthy john. He also called her mother. Yup which is a little mike pence. It's a little weird gross incestuous kind of thing. But also that is why. I really feel like he became so completely engulfed and obsessed with. Yoko was because she had such an incredibly strong and overbearing personality Which you can't tell in like public suffer like interviews or anything. But i think in private she was so completely all encompassing with john and just told him what to do all the time And that's what he wanted because that was his idea of a mother. Yeah she became the mother and also. That's how mimi was. Do you think that she was kind of perfect. Mixed of mixed mix of memory and julia because she also did have her soft. She had softened has softness artistic. She's very delicate and lovely but she is also probably can be cold bitch like mimi she was. She had the same two sides to her personality that john did so when they were perfect. Coldness what mirrored. John's lake temper tantrums. So he wasn't necessarily cold he would just had a really bad temper and she was super cold but at the same time they were both flamboyant artistic bohemian. People like julia art students. Yes yes i mean. The relationship makes so much sense but there is so much to dissect. Yeah she had no problem being the alpha and he had no problem having somebody pushed him around right and she also they both together embrace this. We are one And i don't think you're gonna find most. I'm going to say it and maybe people are not going to agree with this. And maybe it's something you know. We could debate about or have a conversation about that. All sounds really unhealthy to me family toxic because both of them seem like they were okay with letting go of whoever they were before they were together and. I don't think either yoko or john. Like you are still your own person at the end of the day like but i think they really gave a shit about that i know but they should have to say is because they would light each other. Just engulf. Each other yeah. It was an unhealthy combination of then. You can't live without each other but you also can't live with each other as we later. Discover really bad co dependency. What's going on here. Like there should have been a whole lot more therapy going on here than there actually was a lot of people idolize their relationship but i actually think own their fundamental on healthiness to it because completely i think most other women who weren't even like i mean let's face it is the sixty seventies you know. Most women weren't at this point of being self love. And i'm gonna take care of myself and i don't need no man but most women wouldn't put up with john being like we are one and you're my mother. You know what. I mean like city wasn't going to do that. Yeah and that's why. Yoko was perfect firm. Because yoga was the person who was like. Yeah i'll do this. I'm on board but also. I think yoko was fine with doing that because she knew that she could still have a leg up on john young. She knew that she could be like yes. We're one where one person one being one entity. But i am still the alpha here. I still tell you what to do. We are one. Because i tell you. We're one to a to a point. Yeah we'll get to that while still finalizing his divorce. John and yoko siege some erotic behavior that had everyone scratching their heads. I they released two virgins that album they recorded in the kenwood attic will. Cynthia was in greece. Only three weeks. After john's divorce was final. It was an abbot guard. Piece much like george was doing in those days but it was more known for the couple being naked on the cover yeah. They released two more albums together. Life would lions and wedding album between nineteen sixty eight and sixty nine before forming the plastic ono band. It was becoming clear that not only. Was yoko replacing. Cynthia life partner. But she was also replacing. Paul mccartney s his creative partner right that is not to say that. Yoko broke up the beatles. No and get to that in a little bit in october. Nineteen sixty eight. John and yoko were arrested for drug possession. After a raid. On the couple's london flat they were borrowing from ringo. Sure seriously this flat has its own. Wikipedia page reduce flag because so many like famous musicians during this time also rented the flat and usually it was ringo subletting the flat to them all so he submitted the flat to jimi hendrix and then he sublet it to john and yoko And after john yokels after this raid happened the landlord was like We need to renegotiate this lisa because you are not allowed to sublet this to anybody. The only people that are allowed to be in here are you or anyone that is related to ringo. That's it shit. Ringo gone twelve. He did get in trouble. Be granted ringo was an absentee sob- landlords. So i bet he didn't have a lot of five star reviews on this air. Not at all. He did not fill it with word art city. He just deleted his yelp page because it was bad news. Yeah friends recalled the flat being in a state of squalor. When john and yoko live there as they were in the throes of a deep drug addiction they were living on a quote diet of champagne. Caviar and heroin despite the fact that yoga was again in ants so days without heroin q. You're welcome also. That's like this is like some courtney love shit here yet. I don't see vanity farrell over yokozuna asks. yeah she definitely was doing heroin throughout a few pregnancies that she ended up miscarrying. I don't know if that's just because you know that just happened right right more because of drugs or lifestyle or what but before. She miscarried three times before they had. Sean wow docs. Cynthia recalled seeing john during this time. Being alarmed at his appearance he was gaunt exhausted looking and nothing like the man she'd been married to. This was also when the beatles were recording the white album which was fraught with arguments so fierce that they went from the silent treatment to fistfights. Oh so yeah. Back to the raid. Seven police officers to police. Dogs raided the apartment and found about eight ounces of has sheesh in a binoculars case again. I still don't know if there's a lot that a little bit quite a bit it's a bit. Yeah all right. I i think now in new york state you are allowed to possess up to one and a half ounces. Maybe two maybe two onces of marijuana either way eight must be a lot. Yeah i'm to say it's a bit math kind of really. Never seen any of these drugs in my no. I've seen pied don't know. Both were charged with possession and john was also charged with obstruction of justice. He had panicked when an officer. Banged on the back window during the raid. And for a minute refuse to open the window. That charge was dropped when he pleaded guilty to truck drug possession which also let yoko off the hook. Shortly after the incident. She miscarried A sock it does that is not an easy thing to go through all in february nineteen. Sixty-nine yoko own divorce from anthony cox went through yes. She was married when she met john up and had a daughter named kyoko cox and john was actually her third husband. Yup within a month. John and yoko flew to gibraltar and got married then went to amsterdam in stage. They're famous bed in for peace. Sure you remember that. Now i do. I just i always roll my eyes at that like yeah. That's right yeah. Celebrities can lay in bed for a weekend for peace. And who get like this. This was a protest against the vietnam war. Chur made a lot of hearts in the government. Move through this yeah. These rich pieces are like. What can i do to protest the vietnam war. What can i do to change hearts and minds and policies and get the troops back home. I know i'm gonna lay in bed. It's the most like completely the most privilege thing you can possibly fucking do and just ignorant yeah but at in nineteen. Sixty-nine everyone was like yeah. Yeah people nowadays like no no a lot of people in our stage no it's not stage. A protests they went onto fuckin- protests. Go out on the streets at the people who are something and even if they were like. We're just we raising awareness. What are you awareness of. What the vietnam war. Everyone knows the vietnam wars fucking going on. What are you doing to house raising awareness to. You're crazy ass. You're just getting promotion because you have music coming out that's all you're doing now anyway. The sun was filmed and they gave interviews promoting peace in protesting the vietnam war. They held another in may nineteen. Sixty-nine they initially wanted to stage in new york. But at the time john was not allowed in the us because of the drug conviction yup instead they went to the bahamas but after one night in the bahamian he they end up ended. Everything and moved to a hotel in montreal. Did these bed ins do anything. That's debatable. no it's not. They didn't they like i will tell you the answer right now. No nothing no. Yeah throughout the last couple of years of the sixteenth. John and yoko spent a lot of time promoting the idea of peace while doing their beden they recorded the song. Give peace a chance which became a pretty big hit and was adopted as an anti war anthem when the bed ends. were complete. The newlyweds bought in hurst. Park in hurst literally kept writing to in hurts her tanner's but to her spark is a seventeen seventy two acre estate in ascott. If you can imagine the imagine video they film that at first the much just set imagine and also ringo bought eventually he did. They only live there until like seventy one did. They did not with there very long. And we'll go so bullet a facility. Yeah and then. Ringo sold it to like the prince of the united arab emirates or something who blake bought all the rhinestones and decorated the entire thing. Ringo was jealous with how many rhinestones guy. So gotti it's lake. They put a white mercedes in every single room in the house. She's john brought julian to visit once in a while. Though it was a struggle trying to connect with his father. Julia was mostly ignored. And then john did win. John did pay attention to him. His moods were completely unpredictable. Yeah no shit. He often lashed out at julian with such rage. The point sobbing to his room and yoko wasn't a great source for love either. She often complained to john and cynthia that he had bad behavior which he didn't she just wanted to complain about him. It's like she reminds me of someone who is inchon's life at your age could just was incapable of love and affection was just like no matter. What good you did. She just had something to complain about. Was it mum may martha. I don't know i don't know. No no no come to us eventually in july nineteen. Sixty-nine the family took an ill fated trip to visit john's and scotland on the way back john lennon torius bad driver drove there. He didn't even get his licence until nineteen sixty five and then like barely drove after that but thought it would be a great idea to drive his family to fucking scotland okay. He drove aston. Martin into a ditch injuring. Nearly everyone on board julie. hi. Julian sent to john's aunt maters house while he and yoko recovered in the hospital but they neglected to tell cynthia where her own child was. I mean my actually surprised no. I'm not actress. They didn't call her to tell her what happened. She found out about it from the news on the tv. And then just tokyo flight to scotland and was like. Where's my fucking kid. And when she got to the hospital they were like. Oh he's up with aunt mater and she's like yokota fucking called me but no they didn't. It's almost like john is a rad dad. He may be a at. You might be arrived at if this is gonna turn into jeff foxworthy boy. The car accident halted john's returned to london which also delayed his return to the studio to record abbey road but once he was back in the studio he insisted yoko was with him Yoko was pregnant at the time which she later miscarried so john set her up in a bed in another room with a microphone attached so she could convey her opinions on whatever they were recording at the time. Nope no just no no way in any scenario of your life. This is in tokyo. Who's who said it was. Okay yeah why anybody would be like I'm not comfortable with that. They were all just looking at him. Like dude no but granted like if he was as like unpredictably violence. I guess as everybody said that he was at the time. Maybe they were scared to be like john. I wonder if it was scared. I think it was more of a. You gotta pick and choose your battles. Yeah john and also. I don't wanna fucking fight. I don't want with thing. They were all so tired. This yeah so this sound horribly. Invasive in adds to the. Yoko broke up the beatles myth. But that's exactly what it is a myth. yeah yes. The beatles did have a no wives or girlfriends in the studio rule and they were pretty sick of her being there. Yeah however no. One seemed to upset or too bothered with yoko presidents to put up much of a fight about it or like we just said pick your battles and i imagine. I put this more on john than i would put it on. Yoko beyond john can say no. Yeah and john knows the rule and also the. How much do you think yoga said. I want to be there as much as john price that i want you to be that. Yeah i'm putting a lot of this on john. i'm not really gonna put it on yoko. No i'm not going to put it on the other beatles either. I'm putting this on john. It's like john has some problems that he needs to work through and he's not working through them properly. He's working through them in a codependent manner. Yes his problems are being transferred onto yoko. Okay have you seen pretty much. All of the golden girls and no there wasn't handful. There is an episode of golden girls when stanley dorothy ex husband going through therapy and he was transferring all of his emotions and his problems onto a traffic cone. That was dressed like a monkey so at this point. John stanley and yoko the traffic cone the whole now. I feel bad for yoko. In a way i kind of do too but at the same time it seemed like she kind of was here for it. She encouraged john to be dependent on her. I have very mixed feelings by yoko i like. He's very complicated. Lady and i have lots of emotions. This i'm doing to. We're just a re. Just do we need to do. We need a cone. We needed intervention or something beatles in jesus christ after all this seriously okay but anyway. Let's not go that crazy but yet just like that episode of golden girl. I think that by the end of the beatles. No one wanted her around anymore. Right but overall the biggest issue was john's erratic behavior and drug use. Yeah at this point. The lsd us and heroin. Abuse had fundamentally changed. John as a person. So as he injecting i as far as i know yes. Oh my god. I don't move. They weren't like full blown heroin addicts like you picture which is weird which weirds me out. As at that time if somebody was in a heroin link think about it like hendrix or janice joplin. They were like declining quickly and they were addicted right so from everything. I can understand. They were not that addicted and they were not that bad okay like they did heroin probably once in a while. Heroin was there like this. Is the friday of the month where we're gonna do heroin. I think they did more often than that. They probably did it like once a week but they let's do heroin. They weren't like they weren't spending all of their time consumed by. Where are they going to get heroin. When's the next time they're going to get it. When can they do it again. like that. Like so weird other drugs were more important. Right like ls lsd and coke and weed and stuff like that interesting. Yeah but at the same time like it's still visibly affected them. Of course you can't linked to two heroin once a week like i'm fine. Yeah right yeah. He was jovial one minute and a tyrant the next and he treated his family much. The same abbey road was the last beatles album to be recorded as john had quit the band in september nineteen. Sixty-nine dated before paul's announcement got the beatles manager. Allen klein persuaded john to keep his departure quiet. But in april nineteen seventy. Paul publicly announced he was out of demand. John was rest. I've sorry really. Yeah really literally pissed. He wasn't mad. That paul left. But that paul. Got all the credit for breaking up. The beatles and john thought he used his announcement to sell his solo records. No paul uses announcement to say shit. I link lawyers who go to leave the full combat broken up folk seven at this point. We all on breaking up all leaving. I'm over this shit. John was man. He got the credit for breaking up the beano and then everybody was but yoko broke up the beatles so john could never have the credit for it. It's what odyssey the fact that he wished he had the credit makes me more angry at everything but it also tells you a lot about john's personality. Oh yeah and meanwhile it also proves to us george and ringo are the best one hundred percents have the best fuck in ever. I'm gonna do something fucking gay and then georgia's like we'll for wall nelson and then reveals like okay. I'll soobee friends though. Yeah john would be would continue to be better about this whole thing for years. Yeah writing many songs. Including how do you sleep. Which clearly targets paul. Yeah as we discussed the paul episode. He took a lot of cheap shots at paul. That actually have no grounds of anything. Yeah but george took some shots at john. Also which is fucking hilarious. Listen to awaiting on you all the first. Two lines are top-notch dry humor things storage. The bitterness spilled over into press that john did in the early years after the beatles disbanded. according to cynthia john seems quotes increasingly self obsessed and he spared little thought for the feelings of those who had once been close to him. He seemed so intense and took himself deadly seriously to which wasn't the john. I had known. you can see this in many interviews. The couple did in the early in the early seventies and john rarely did an interview without yoko. She would not let him go to the bathroom alone. Exactly highly doubt which is an interview which is interesting. Because i rarely ever heard her speak. I don't think i really even know what goes voice. Sounds like aside from that lake. We don't know that weird video like he and yoko substituted for some talk show host for like a week. Oh and they had chuck berry come on the show and they performed with him and they were doing an older blues song. I think it was called memphis tennessee or something like that and like john and chuck berry or have a good old time singing the song. The backing bands really into it. And then all of a sudden you hear yoko grab the microphone and go pull the toddler absolutely. Didn't you see chuck berry like in his head. go what go look it up. It is absolutely hilarious. I've seen her interviewed before she has actually a very soft feminine voice and she does still have like a tinge of a japanese accent. Yeah yeah. Larry softspoken she is but but her screeching music chevra dolphin. Well she is like you go damn girl. She found it. I don't know what it is. But she found it she did find it mean. While despite being divorced from anthony cox. Yoga was still locked in a custody battle over their daughter kyoko right. Yoko had basically done the same thing to kyoko that john did to. Julian effectively abandoned her to focus on john and their arts but she randomly changed her mind on april. Twenty third nineteen seventy-one. John and yoko attempted to abduct yoko and do something with her. I don't know what the end game was here. We own her. I'd look a tougher as a child custody. You are two of the biggest names in the world. You're constantly followed in watch. What did you think you were going to do with her. I don't understand what the end game was say. We're probably really high. When came up. With the i 'cause it sounds the way this all worked out. Sounds like the plan of two people that were just high out of their minds and had no idea what they are doing. Hell shit so yeah. Even my notes. I said i have a feeling. This plan was hashed out during a drug binge. it never fully thought through of hash out. They arrived in malacca a spanish mediterranean island where anthony his new wife and keo living and they hit in a hotel for three days while anthony and his wife were busy. Meditating ironically with the maharishi mahesh yogi the same guy. This fucking motherf this motherfucker right here here. John and yoko took yoko from her kindergarten and attempted to flee the country with her. They were stopped by police however the charges were eventually dismissed yoko when see her daughter again until nineteen ninety eight holy shit thirty year. Yeah 'cause anthony cox was like bitch no. This is my daughter. Uk fbi custody. And you just try to kidnap her the same way. That elf tried to do with john when he was young kid and then forced him to choose between him and julia. Like the amounts of history. Repeating itself in this story is blowing my mind. Podcast medium is not appropriate right now for my action because i have no words yet have no words. I do not heavy single fucking word. You look like chuck berry. Is that very much. It's it's steve. Harvey faces coming back. Holy shit that's like the only way it can react to that. I'll come back to me now. A series of steve harvey faces. Yeah during this time. John was also writing and recording his second solo album. Imagine i'm gonna say it like that every time. imagine imagine imagine Another phil spector production. Album spawned the song of the same name that john lennon is arguably best known for right. Just before the album's released. John and yoko moved to new york city. They were disillusioned with britain and the relentless press attacks on yoko which i get totally tabloids were fucking means to her and so racist. It's the british tabloids are though what they're fucking garbage yeah. I don't blame them for that. That is yeah get together. John did not inform cynthia or his own child that he was up rooting and moving to a different country. Imagine all the rat abandoning their kids. Who guys this is your. This is your idol for love and peace. Yeah he wouldn't see julian for another three or four years. You know what. Better than yoko. And kyoko though i cast but still not great. I'm just. I'm reaching at this point. Yeah we're grasping at straws. All over the place. John battled with authorities to stay in new york because of his previous drug conviction. He wasn't allowed to get a green card. The nixon administration was also starting in f. b. i. File on john for his radical left politics and war sentiments young cause that warranted and f. b. i. file on learning rural town. John if you're gonna do an exit precious shake your face. Lots of your giles. Just flapper. futurama's started that now. I can't get it out of my head. And i think it's the most accurate certainly is god fucking nixon. I hate everyone right now like everybody. The story can eat it to everybody. Except for cynthia and julian they're fine and then like kyoko and her father he'll goes fine. We'll me a couple of other people that are fine but but everybody can just me fuck off to set fire anyway. The american government spent four years trying to deport. John finally ending attempts in one thousand. Nine hundred seventy six and giving him a green card. Good fucking finally. Let him stay. Who gives a fuck about a drug. He's fucking british. Who cares really. We have people storming the fucking capital and twenty twenty one like we on your what unquote american. And you're worried. Because john lennon had has she should have been ocular case suck. My dick then came the time in john's life. He called the lost weekend. Oh yes i know all about that. We touched upon this in ringo. And paul yes by nine hundred only tickled the tip of the balls on this but let's go to a full grab right here by nineteen seventy-three things between john and yoko were deteriorating. They were arguing and growing apart. If that had something to do with like and stuff i don't know it probably did. It could. Because maybe she was hitting appoint she didn't want to do drugs anymore. John is still deep into it. And she's like. I'd like to get pregnant and not miss miscarry and maybe stopping the drug thing. We'll help yeah could be could be. Yoko had the smarts to know that john was going to hook up with someone else while they were apart So she took control of that situation in hand picked the woman. John would be sleeping with how she chose may pang john and yoko personal assistant. That had been working for them for a couple of years. At that point. Yoko new john found her attractive and figured they would be good. Companions may object it at first but yoko went ahead and made the arrangements. Anyway may pang. When end up. Being one of the best people john ever got involved with. I believe it in october. Nineteen seventy-three john and may went to los angeles to promote john's album mind games and decided to stay while out there john met up again with phil spector to produce his next album rock and roll a collection of rock classics then inspire. Jonah's kid these. Recording sessions would go down in infamy as john's increasing alcohol consumption and phil. Spector's phil spector. Nece reached by the sessions. Broke down once phil claimed. He was in a car accident and disappeared with the master tapes weight. But was when phil spector is in that terrible accident he. He was in a car accident and was auto accident that completely fucked with them for the rest of. But i mean he was already fucking with his life. Oh no i mean like erc john. Jesus phil spector was already a mess. That accident really fucked him up. Buffet do yeah. He just disappeared after that John's behavior also became increasingly erratic as a result of deepening alcohol problem which led to much coverage by the tabloids. Y'all and here comes our friend. Harry nilsson he. He comes his name. Is aaron nielsen. He's a fucking weirdo. And he's got really bad apartment. Apparently while producing the album pussy cats for harry nilsson pussycats apparently was like a play on everybody all the tabloids calling them bad boys. Where does it's all eat my dick. He and harry became good friends and party bros. tabloids boys in caught them behaving badly while heavily intoxicated. Boys boys to do. What are you gonna do win the tabloids comfort you pose. They're going to pose. Pose your life out. They kept getting kicked. Out of the troubadour ones. Because john tussled with a waitress with the sanitary pads stuck on his head and another time because the to wouldn't stop heckling the smothers brothers. That's the best i. These are the best stories that came out of the picture. The smothers brothers. They're probably like thirty at this point. Maybe they're smothers brothers. All over the place. It's what song do the smothers brothers. You don't know exactly but they're goof-balls for some reason. I'm just picturing them doing that. Oh listen to the music. That's not bad doobie brothers. That is not them at all. No the smothers brothers eunice coolest. Not at all not at all. But that's for some reason. That is the song. I picture them. Singing wild john is drunkenly heckling them. Do you ever like. When i was a kid on pbs. They would have this political pianist. Comedy guy play all the time. My mom loved him. I forgot his name. But like that's what the smothers brothers are leg. They're like heckled. Let's john dix. Yeah much it pretty much. And then you through keith. Moon in the mix oh my god and then ringo diplomatic causus moment where. We're getting ahead of ourselves on sorry dissuade john's bad behavior. He did some good and a lot of that was because of may pang. She encouraged john to reconnect with his family and former bandmates he reached out to julian and reestablished their relationship and julie and often visited john and may in la new york recalling that some of the best memories he has of his dad was when he was with may oh during this time he saw that julian was a budding musician himself so he gave him a guitar and taught him chord progression. Like may is a fucking saint. Love her i. We need more fucking praise for may seriously. I wish that she and john zeta gather together. Things would have been infinitely different. Yeah wow it's like. She was healthy for him. What no you can't have anybody in his life. That's healthy for him clearly. He also mended things between him. And george and paul yup. This reconciliation resulted in the one and only recording session. Between john and paul after the beatles split so may rent rented out a beach house for her john. Harry nilsson ringo and keith moon to live in while they recorded pussycats. Just picture that in your head for like the house second. oh alcoholics. it's just a bunch of alcohol orme paying. I tried to do my best. All may pang. You did do your best. It's just like that's a party house. Holy shit is that a party. No she's picking a volunteer bob. Oh yeah she's the one cleaning up after everybody she's cleaning up all the barf of so much and making them all sandwiches in the morning. But you need bread. You need to soak up. Lake twenty mic griddles. Drink some fucking water. There was no big girdles backpack. That may pay like there's a pack of mcchrystal's on the fucking table focus mccrindle griddle. Don't you fucking touch the orange juice to have some fucking water like you guys. Need to hydrate the harry. Get that fucking whiskey out of your hand. Did you better laps the bottle out of his hand. You can have your whiskey when you drink your water. Pick it up off the floor. A fucking hero. I really believe she was but the point of them all sharing one house together so they could all get to the studio on time but they were partying so much. They're recording sessions broke down anyway. The chaos follow them home and at one point. John attempted to strangle may after he misunderstood something she said he only relented after. Harry nilsson physically restrained him. Oh no yeah no. This is not good and also makes me wonder how many times you tried to strangle. Yo go and we don't know about. Oh yeah and scindia scindia cynthia. Cynthia first cynthia's part. She never indicated that he physically hurt her after that one time when they were in art college term i but i kind of want to be like put like did you really wanna talk about it. Maybe maybe she just wanted to keep it quiet. Because i would be angry about it right but i can also see yoko having been physically assaulted and like just not talking about. Yeah because she'd want to protect john. Exactly jesus all right stops being cute and fun. Yeah this ain't cute no more. It was obvious this was not a good living situation. So may an. John went back to new york to finish the album. John stop drinking refused to take calls from yoko and they rented a penthouse apartment in manhattan where they apparently saw. Ufo's from their balcony even started and then they even started looking for houses to buy together. Oh they put in an offer on a house in february nineteen seventy five and made plans to visit. Paul and linda mccartney that same month but the day before they were supposed to leave. Yoko and john met for the first time in a year and a half. It seemed yoko planned to ruse telling john. She found a cure for his smoking. Addiction is just so weird rain like after not really talking to her for like a year. She's like hey. I can figure out how to stop smoking cigarettes. Sure when she come by he never returned to the home that he shared with may o. Which is so heartbreaking like john. Come on you're right there. You're right there. Were so close so close to having a healthy functioning relationship with someone. Yeah may saw him a few days later at a joint dental appointment that they apparently already had scheduled okay and he for some reason showed up to it actually but he showed me through important they are but he showed up in a stupefied state which led me to believe. He was brainwashed I've heard this. it's strange. I think he think he was just on a lot of fun. He's trucks is trip open. Probably like yeah. I wouldn't assume he was brainwashed again. Cool and i. When in doubt that yoko gave him the drug so but i don't think she's like tried to brainwash him or no. No no no. I don't think she had to. Yeah i don't think so. I think as soon is john saw her he was like melts into a puddle. And it's like do with me what you will mother mother do with me what you will turn into dan. Thanks yeah either way. John never went back to may He was back with yoko and proceeded to act like the last year and a half of his life was just a fantasy like yet happens but it was a huge dumbest stake. Oh and may who. Who's may i don't know who that is. I mean honestly may pang really was erased from history. Yeah she was unless you really get into john history. Not even beatles john history. You don't know shit about absolutely nothing. I honestly didn't even know who she was until our friends muses did an episode on her and i was like wait. Who is this person. Yup and honestly it's weird too. That's the interesting about doing the series that you get every story slightly differently. Because when i did paul if you've listened to the pappasito's paul says he didn't talk to john until he talked to yoko So i don't know who story to believe. There are so many different stories and honestly they were all probably higher drunk. They all loved drunk drinking and smoking which is fine but like leads to like misinformation and everybody has at least one possibly two or three of their own memoirs and autobiographies that they have written and it's different stories of the same events in every book. So the fuck are you supposed to believe. Yeah that's the crazy thing about it. That's the conspiracy. So what you're saying is the classic rock channels. Don't play the beatles because they can't trust the beatles that's it either. I think it's interesting. Because i feel like the two stories from the john paul episodes are very different. Yes and die. Paint the oko either in a good lighter bad light. Put that kind of makes sense. Because paul had one view of yoko and john clearly had a different view of her because he was closer to her but also he was in some weird fucking psychosis right well. I just think it's interesting. Because i think the paul story paints yoko on a more positively. Yeah in in kind of a way. Yeah it's it's so fucking weird so weird how yeah. We will well but honestly if it weren't for may he would never have rekindled his relationships that he had thrown away years before. Yeah no matter who store. You wanna believe this time he had with may. If it didn't happen ositive he might have been a drunken fucking mess but she really did try and help him so much A he he probably would have gotten over his like partying days eventually but yet it could have been so much better. Yeah if he had stayed with me again. I don't hate yoko. But may i think was a better more healthy. She tried to encourage him instead of dominating him yes back in new york. Yoko became pregnant with john's second child despite having three miscarriages. Yoko contemplated getting an abortion. Although some sources quote john is saying sean was a planned pregnancy. Either way the couple decided to keep the baby under the condition that became a house husband to which he agreed. Sean tarot ono lennon was born. John's birthday october ninth. Nineteen seventy five did not realize who's born on either. Did i kinda crazy. It was obvious that john was in love with his son and wanted to raise him properly. But the way john treated each son was distinct. An obvious It was like he knew he fucked up with julian so he tried extra hard with sean. Julian was still there. And john coulda affixed things with him Instead phone calls became fewer and farther between while he concentrated on spoiling his new baby makes you a rat. Yeah like if you wanted to fix the way that you raised your first son. Fix your relationship with your first son. Yeah don't train fix it. By spoiling your second son and making obvious that you're spoiling this kid. Yeah to your first son. That's how you fuck up now here first son even more good job so like your whole plan was dumped from the beginning. And like you're just fucked it up. You're made it dumber s-some you mean even worse anyway. Julian wouldn't even meet his baby brother. Until sean was two years old his he just like he was just like nope. I'm going to concentrate on this kid now and spoil the shit of him. But like i'm making up for what i fucked up with you. Select fuck off sure. Yeah for the next five years. John and yoko break from public life and concentrated on their family. The rift between john and julian would never really he'll as john never got help for his explosive temper and erratic outbursts jillian when he was visiting with. John and yoko learned to tiptoe around his father and anticipate his outbursts. After one particular incident. The family was having breakfast and joking around when julian giggled john. Turn to him in a fury and screamed. I can't stand the way you fucking laugh. Never let me hear your fucking horrible laugh again and send jim julian to his room crying and after that julian was like i can't. I can't do anything around. My dad are really wanna make up for house. Chanels my first son. I'm going gonna make him feel bad about everything. Donen his focus law if i'm going to emasculate him in front of everybody and then tell him he's a fucking piece of shit. Yeah sure go ahead. That fixes everything. This is your symbol of peace and love. Everyone exactly that is like the hypocritical. Thing about john is that his entire solo career was about peace and love and antiwar and being kind to one another but certain as a person he will he was the most exclusive most insulting piece of shit to his own fucking offspring. Your well only one of them in only one while there were some times when he was not the greatest. Add to sean odor. But it was very very prevalent in his parenting towards julian. Julian like looks exactly like him and sounds just like him too. I think now. Sean looks exactly. All they've done a little flip through. Holy shit okay and looks exactly like like john. Fulin definitely jillions funny because like from his nose up. He his cynthia from his nose down. He's his dad. That's funny but i think i think julian looks far more like cynthia than he does. John o. l. sean however holy. Fuck spinning image. It's pretty rest up either way like julian is permanently fucked up because of his father's behaviour and that's so wrong yup. He did the things to his kid that was done to him. He had an infinite amount of opportunities to fix to permanently. Fix his rift with julian and to be just a good dad and he wasn't no he fucked it up every time. Yeah the evan flow of john. Jillian relationship was at a high point in one thousand nine hundred eighty. John and yoko had an apartment at the dakota building in manhattan across from central park and running their business empire from there they owned five units in the building including an entire unit solely for housing john's instruments. Well yeah. I didn't realize neither did i. Five units that's a lot. Yeah that's expensive. Although nineteen seventy thousand nine hundred not as expensive as it would be now probably afford it. John and julian were finally getting their shit together when one of the worst tragedies in modern history happened right outside. The lennon's door remember. When i said earlier that john's jesus comments would be pretty instrumental in his death. It let's ryan this. Yeah the tape. Oh yes i do remember this. So here's why way back in nineteen sixty six. An american man named mark. David chapman heard these comments and was incensed over them. He had like a kid like a teenager. Yeah kinda why do your. He's nuts slim. He had been a casual beatles fan but a hardcore core christian sustain. The beatles were bigger than jesus was. Blasphemy mark david. Chapman clearly had some mental health issues. That at the time were quite unchecked. Yeah I don't think he was ever officially diagnosed with anything but he definitely had paranoid schizophrenia traits. Go and some other stuff but he definitely had something wrong with him he had he maybe had ocd because he had a lot of obsessive traits. He obsessed over a lot of things. So the beatles catcher i had turned the todd rundgren for some reason he was really obsessed with And john lennon eventually became somebody. He became obsessed with right. Chapman was not really a beatles. Superfan like many have reported okay after john staff. Everyone was like he was killed by a soccer. He was killed by superfan. He wasn't no really wasn't really in fact he was far more of a todd. Rundgren superfan though. He casually kept an eye on john lennon throughout his career. I don't know why todd rundgren was his object of affection but here we are here. We are sure somebody has to be. Yeah why not. It'd be this guy not mark david. Go fuck yourself. His anger flared again when imagine came out. He was infuriated by the lyrics telling mansion. A world where there were no possessions. Yetjohn owned yachts and multiple million dollar estates around the world and was living a millionaire's life. And you know what. Chapman's that wrong but also that's not why chapman was pissed. He was mad. Because john said imagine no religion and that too like he was really pissed off that john was quote unquote abandoning his religious mark. David chapman was a southern baptist. Right y- southern christian. At least as yeah he was. He's georgia his priests all said no possessions. But like are probably mega church pastor. So maybe you don't get to get mad about them. Maybe it's not just john. Maybe it's the entire christian church. Maybe it's all christianity is credited. Kinda have been since you know. I don't know the crusades. Maybe but that's just me the season. A religion theological pump gas. Excuse me so. Chapman planned john's murder for three months. He originally flew from his home in hawaii to new york city in october. Nineteen eighty but got cold feet and abandon. His plans. should've kept it. That way bro. So many times chapman was like you know what if this person had done this thing. Then i wouldn't have killed john lennon. Well if my wife if my wife hadn't or if my wife had told the police that i was planning on doing this and i wouldn't have done it. She no. She knew the whole time. He told her at least twice the he was like. I'm having these voices in my head. Tell me that. I need to kill john lennon. I did not go to this place. I told you i was going to. I actually went to new york city. And i was going to kill him and i didn't and she fucking knew that he had these ideas in his head that he had to kill john lennon. She didn't do anything. That's when you put your husband in the psych one but you know what she's still with them so maybe we should look at her tail. Yeah anyway So you went back home. And he'd made an appointment to see a psychologist good but skip the session and flew back to new york city. On december six. No bad the plan was back on the next day. Chapman spent his time offering coke to taxi drivers and accosting. James taylor in a subway station. That's when james taylor should have called the police shoulda let he did on december eighth. He's takada apartment building with a newly purchased copy of the catcher in in the rye a book. He was so obsessed with that. He truly believed he was the main character holden. Caulfield of course he did. Which like a dog you more a grown man obsessing over catcher in the rye and thinking that he's holding caulfield nervous owning. Oh my god the worse phony. everybody's a phoney. No fuck you. I hate catcher in the rye i hate. I hate all of it. You're all of this. i hate it. I don't even wanna talk about it and a half do making me. He stood outside the dakota the entire day. Which would have seemed suss but there was constantly a group of fans standing out there anyway so he didn't look out of place right around five pm china. Yoko left the dakota and walked to a waiting limo. that would take them to the record. Plant recording studio champion saw them but got tongue tied and simply stuck out his double fantasy record for john to sign. Jon signed it and handed it back saying something like is that. Is that what you wanted. Champion say anything. In john and yoko got in the car and left. They arrived back at the dakota just before eleven. pm the same evening. Yoga walked by chapman. I followed by john. Neither of whom said anything to chapman. John had gotten a few meters away when chapman pulled out a thirty eight special revolver in fired. Five shots at john. Four of the hollow point bullets hit him in the back and shoulder. Puncturing his lung and artery. He crashed through a glass door and fell on the floor and never got up again and he was pronounced dead on arrival Champion never left the scene. The cops found him sitting on the sidewalk reading his copy. Of catcher in the rye he was charged with second degree murder and subjected to multiple psychological examinations. I'm not entirely sure why he was charged with second degree murder versus. I was thinking about the is i meditate. It was rex one hundred percent premeditated so i don't know why second degree murder is it. Because they're assuming he has some psychological problems. I guess so that was like immediately brought up. Yeah that must be what it was. Yeah his defense team tried to use the insanity defense ba- champion ultimately pleaded guilty to second degree murder and was sentenced to twenty years to life. He is still in jail to welcome his way. Still supports zoom. It's really fucking weird in the meantime. John's family and the world mourned his tragic death. Everyone knows where they were when they heard john lennon died. If you were alive. I was going to say we were not born yet. Not boring yet. Julian was living in wales with his mother at the time and was only seventeen years old the same age. John was when he lost his mother. Oh my fucking. God are seriously seriously the amount of history repeating itself in. This story is ridiculous. Oh mind-blowing that's awful. Only forty eight hours. After john died. Yoko announced that there will be no funeral. She had his remains cremated and scattered in central park eventually in that area in central park it would be dedicated to john lennon and rename strawberry fields. Yep i've been there. She didn't include julian in any arrangements. Yeah this is kind of one of the things. I don't like about yoga. His like yo bitch. This is this sun. Yeah come on like have god damn har- even in a statement about death in her family. She did not include julian in it. She literally quoted things that julian said and didn't didn't and tribute them to him and like took them as her own quotes and then signed the letter. Yoko and sean didn't include julian like again. These are the problems i have with. Yoko is she does have a bit a monochrome of like narcissism to g sees herself as an incredibly important person the protagonist of her own story but like everyone else's an antagonistic so she can be incredibly narcissistic the same way. John could be incredibly narcissistic exactly. I thought again why they got along. she had tendencies. This is jamie would have done rice because she price on like julian was in really his family anymore because he moved to new york city. And with me sean. And we were his real family. But it's like that's how that works. I'm sorry but it's true that he had a family before you know you whether you like it or not. He had a family before you may would've attributed things to julian. She would love julian. Julian loved her. Yom even she and cynthia continued to have a lovely friendship while after john had passed away. i bet. Yeah so later on when the will was gone over. It was pretty obvious that julian was really getting anything. Yeah everything went to yoko. Everything went to sean julian ended up staying with yoko. And sean for a while after John's death of new york. They even like flew out a friend for him to hang out with because yoko was not paying any attention to him finisher and he was like. I don't know what the fuck to do. I'm alone and like my dad. Just nine is like he's five flick. What is the seventeen year. We're gonna do the five year old gray. And yoko was like coddling sean in like trying to protect him for a very long time from the media and everything and then finally told him that his dad had passed away and then was just like on him. 'cause she was his mother which is so weird because like she was not that way with kyoko and it just like the difference in their parenting. Her parenting of the two kids was just the con- i couldn't figure it out. Yeah it was the same as john. And i just. I don't understand it. I don't understand how you can have so much love for one child and like no love for another one. I assume it's because sean was the product of their love which i assume they saw as the most oltman love and yoga had many miscarriages which is terrible and and they saw like miracle that made it. And gal it's bullshit. I'm not justifying it but that's probably why mate i'm sure and sean jason here like guys. If you're putting like really unhealthy habits on me it's really because sean to me at this point seems very well adjusted person new. It's i really can't say one way or another. Because i literally have heard nothing about him since one time in the late nineties when he put out one single and we were like. Yeah this is cool. Let's hear more of sean lennon. And then we heard him. Nothing of schamlen. So i don't i really have no idea what kind of person he is. i've watched him in interviews. He he's just seems fine. They seem spine So after John had passed away. Yoko was quite cool with Julian while he was staying with him by cool. I mean kinda cold but There were like two times when she called on him to talk to him about things and the second time that she called on him he went into like her massive bedroom and she was just laying in bed with an urn of john's ashes next to her and she was basically like. Do you wanna like touch your dad. And he's like no thank you and slake away of trying to be nice but it was like that's a fucking weird way of trying to be nice to a seventeen year old kid who just lost his father who like kind of wasn't usually there for them and then before he left and went back home she went to him. It was like you know. Let's go into john's instrument apartment. You can pick any instrument you want from here. You can take it home in that and it's yours okay. So he's like okay. I really want this guitar. That's it's a really nice guitar with like a mother of pearl dragon. Inlay on who and he wanted it because like he played it. He remembers his dad playing it. He had a special connection to it. So he's like. I want that one and he goes like you can't have that one i fucking hater. And instead gave him to other guitars that meant nothing to him and he was like okay. I guess i'll take these. The next time. He went to visit. Sean yoko. Sean was in that room playing the guitar that he wanted when yoko told him like. Nobody's allowed to touch that. One and sean just in there like fucking stroman all over it drooling like a kid or whatever on it. He's like i understand. Now oh fuck. Come to find out so jon when cynthia and john divorced John started up a trust for julian. Oh and he puts one hundred thousand pounds in it which today would be the equivalent of about six hundred and ten thousand dollars. Us dollars yup. He put that trust up for them and that the interest from that trust was how cynthia paid for julian and her to live basically. She used that she used the interest to pay for his schooling to pay for his clothing to pay for his food to pay for stuff like that. Are you saying that. John did not pay child support. That is exactly what. I'm saying. John up pay child support or like cynthia didn't get any kind of alimony nope none that was it those pretty much she i think she got a little bit of money. But it was only enough to like sell kenwood. Him buy a new house and that was pretty much it she somehow managed to like. She remarried a few times and bought a couple of houses. She opened a couple restaurants. She tried to open a couple. Bnb's some are successful. some weren't right So that was how she supported herself but when it came to julian all of his school fees anything he needed for school and like just some money to get through the year she would use the interest from that trust and every time she wanted to withdraw money from that trust. She had to get john and yoko written permission. Because yo- goes name was also on that trust in creating. I know anyway so they built that trust for him when they divorced and then when john passed away discovered that there was also this clause where if john had any other children that trust needed to be split between julian and the other children. So now julian's inheritance was now split in half so in reality. He only got about three hundred thousand dollars and when john pass away but john's whole entire like estate was worth multi millions and yoko got all of it. See this is why. Like i have my problems with yoko. Yeah she and even though she got all of that she didn't even offer to give any of it to giulio away. Oh i thought. Yoko was the most generous no i didn't. I don't think that yoko is that great of a person. Never she's creative. And i don't think at all. She had anything to do with bringing the beatles. And i think there are times where i can feel pity for her but overall you're not great. She wasn't great right. Neither one of them are great. I'm not saying that. John was fantastic. No year's terrible horrible way. That's i would never say that. They were both terrible. And i hate it. I hate it. But i feel kind of bad because i know we went into this. Like we're going to try to come out and tell you chose not that great. Try but like he wasn't great wasn't and i kind of really want people to stop touting yoko and john as a great love be some kind of like symbol of love and peace like look at the way they fucking treated people in their actual lives. They were not good to people. They were not good to their family. They were not good to kids their first kids like there's a lot of problems and that's what that's fine because they're humans and they're fucked up and we're all fucked up and i think what i'm trying to get at here at the end of the day. Can we stop touting celebrities. Like jesus christ jesus in general period that this person symbolizes. They don't wanna what they're they're people with an opinion and you can say. I agree with that opinion. I don't agree with that opinion. I don't wish them harm and wish death. I'm very said john died. I very much Agree with everything that you said But i also agree that john was incredibly important to music period. Not just rock and roll to music period He did so much that. I cannot deny. I'm not and i'm not here to cancel anybody. I'm not going to cancel john because he was extremely important music. His music is amazing. Absolutely and he changed the course of rock and roll forever And i'm also not here to cancel yoko. No she did not break up the beatles. And i am one hundred percent never going to blame her for that at all. However can i just say really quick what. I will give both of them especially with the inclusion of yoko is. I feel like their collaboration may experimentation in rock and roll more possible. Yes i don't like it. Yeah like. i don't like their work. What i think what they did together opened a door. That wouldn't have been opened before. Yes i agree however it is very important in this in this story in particular to separate artists from the art right so i can do that in this situation. Ken separate john's work with the beatles. Granted i don't really like a solo stuff fine at all. It's fine but like i. I can think of better. It's not all things must pass. All things must pass less. You know what. It's no band on the run. It is no one thousand nine hundred and eighty five. So it's a great. It's a really great song. No herman's hermits all of this to say no lake. I'm not going to cancel either one of them. They don't the don't necessarily deserve that because they did provide so much for music in its early days it did form it. They did influence the formation of rock and roll as we know it. However i am one hundred percent holding their fire their feet to the fire because they were shitty fucking people or not good people and i really want everyone to really fuck and look within themselves and say do i have to put these people john especially on a fucking pedestal yet. Don't stop doing that. You know what. I will still be like you know what you want to celebrate yoko especially if you are into her in her music. I think as a female japanese artist she should be touted absolutely celebrated in her own way. It's not for me. But i'm not saying that that negates it course But we have celebrated the white of white men from the uk. I think we can take john office pedestal. And say you know what you had your time in the sun and you can sit down and just resting piece. And i mean like i said i am. I'm very sad that john died. Because i think given time if he was still alive today i think he'd still him in the beatles would have had a reunion. I think I think he might have even found some better help. That he needed and evolved from that and yet of bettered his relationship with julian I think i think he was on the beginning of an upturn in. I think his death is fucking tragic. Not just because of his musicianship. But i think as a person he was he was trying And it really really really sucks that he is now not here because of somebody who had just completely unchecked mental health issues. Yeah it's it's like all of this is just to say mental real And we need to be open and honest about it and say hey you know if you have a friend that you're low worried about if you're worried about yourself if your significant other has some how unhealthy codependent tendencies. It's okay to stop and say. Hey maybe we should look into getting help. Yeah and that's okay and like that's more than okay. You should just do if your significant other comes home and his leg. I was just in new york city. Because i was going to kill ed sheeran or something i think. He lives in london. Sure and they come home. They're like. I was going to kill them but i didn't. You should be like let's go to Go see a doctor and time. Maybe i'm gonna report you to the cops Let's do that. Yeah man at the very least bring them to psych some psychiatrists psychiatric help. Yes but all is said and done. I think the main things we need to to take away from this is that john lennon is not god and you should not worship him. As such know. Yoko ono was an extremely complex person with a whole lot of fucking problems but hey she didn't break up the beetle. One hundred percent not hater for other things because there's other things to here for really treated julian like shit. She did they and also mental health is the thing and we should all normalize it and make it discuss make it discussable and something worthy of seeking out help for so so there we go to. Sean are apparently good friends. Good they should be. I'm glad that they are. They loved each other the absolutely adore each other children. They changed the fucking shit path that they're paying on both of them have become pretty successful musicians in their own rights. Yup and then they get along and they are trying to not repeat the mistakes of the past so good for them good for them. Yea now this was a lot. I'm ready to be done with. The beatles were divorced. I have the papers here. Signed up the action hasn't even dry. We're gonna walk around with our hands clasped together because we just divorced. The beatles sounds good. Sounds like a good idea. Joe me to talk about the beatles. Long time please. Don't ask us questions please. Don't try and discuss it with us. We're done no. You can discuss unanswered questions. It's fine we can continue to talk. And i mean they actually would enjoy continuing conversations beatles. I mean 'cause. I'm just undoing research. Yes i am totally cool to talk. Another point of view yes. Please tell me your point lead. As like i love cynthia and everything but i'm done with her point of view. She's lovely she is. She was passed away. Yeah he's awake yeah. 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