20 Burst results for "John Douglas"

Swastika, New York, Is Keeping Its Name

Morning Edition

03:22 min | 1 year ago

Swastika, New York, Is Keeping Its Name

"There's a debate in this country over symbols and statues and place names that are tied toe white supremacy. So what to do about a small community in rural northern New York? Called swastika. This summer visitor proposed just changing the name, but local officials opposed the idea. Julia Richie from North Country Public Radio explains why Michael Al Kamo lives in New York City but loves visiting the Adirondack Mountains and upstate New York to cycle through its tiny towns and Hamlets and past historical cemeteries. He was on a trip like this winding through a remote stretch this summer when he noticed something else. Suddenly I came to a town called Watch. The Hamlets name was printed on a small brown street sign. He says he found the name jarring and disrespectful to Veterans of World War two, some of whom are buried in graves nearby, So I think it should be obvious that the town Should update its name and should pick a name that is not so offensive to so many Americans and so emblematic of intolerance, hate and tyranny. So al Comer reached out to county officials in August to see if they would consider it. He was soon directed to email the town of Black Brooke. Which has jurisdiction over swastika. The town agreed to add it to the agenda for their September meeting. And after about five minutes of discussion, the town's for counselors unanimously voted against it. So basically Was named by the founders of the area that settled there. That's black Brooke Supervisor John Douglas, who was at the meeting but didn't have a vote. None of the counsellors returned to request for comment. Douglas Saysthe Hamlets named far predates World War two and came from the Sanskrit word meaning well being the foresighted geometric character that represents the swastika has been used for thousands of years in Indian religions and seen as a symbol of good luck. Of course, That meeting was overshadowed beginning in the 19 thirties with the rise of Adolf Hitler, who co opted the swastika as a symbol for Nazism and anti Semitism. Douglas says. This is not the first time the Hamlets name has been scrutinized. There was concern that due to the Germans that everything that people may I have a different outlook on the name and some of the residents that were from that area actually fought or two and refused to change the name just because Hitler tried to tarnish the meaning of swastika. Douglas says the council didn't see a reason to change the name despite its widespread use as a symbol of hate and white supremacy today, I think that probably Maybe some viewpoint that it's associated with a butt that I believe there's others that do not associate it with. Hey, did the Hindus in the booth and All them today erase it from their religious history because of the Germans, Al Kamo. The cyclists who submitted the request was disappointed by the town's reaction. I didn't expect a quick, apparently quick, unanimous vote to reject the proposal. Social media response to the decision has been murkier, with some locals of the region bristling on Facebook at an outsider from New York City trying to meddle in rural affairs. But Malcolm Oh says he simply wants more people to see the Adirondacks for its natural beauty and deep history history, he says, at odds with the meaning of swastika today

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Drummer Joey Kramer is suing his band Aerosmith

Pat Walsh

02:17 min | 2 years ago

Drummer Joey Kramer is suing his band Aerosmith

"Here's this band that's been around for a long time and now it's time for them to play that weekend Grammy awards and Joey Kramer is not going to be able to play Joey Kramer as a drummer and now in fact he is suing his Aerosmith bandmates claiming he is being frozen out of the group drummer says he's being excluded from playing with Aerosmith at Sunday's Grammy awards and did the recording academy's Aerosmith tribute show which will take place on Friday night and then see Aerosmith received twenty twenty music cares person of the year award so here's what happened barely courting to the story Kramer was sidelined from the band's deuces are wild Las Vegas residency last year after suffering minor injuries with a drum tech John Douglas stepping in behind the kit but wait it's just bizarre to me to me good for Aerosmith they founded their niche they found their home in Las Vegas that's just odd to me too that you know that that a rock band with that kind of a legacy is just playing Las Vegas all the time trip touring and playing shows cool shows everywhere but that's beside the point now we get some Kramer was injured minor injuries however Joey Kramer now claims it when he was fully fit and ready to rejoin Aerosmith towards the end of last year then he was essentially asked to re audition and demonstrate that he can play at an appropriate level now you think in I only something given first blush like Hey wait a minute now your you're gonna ask your drummer if he can play at an appropriate loudly and minor injuries so they are they make him re audition so in a statement Kramer stresses the legal move is not about money he's gonna sue is bad it's not about money says his goal according to him is simply to get back behind the

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"john douglas" Discussed on KGO 810

KGO 810

02:22 min | 2 years ago

"john douglas" Discussed on KGO 810

"Perhaps I don't know and moral concluded that he felt like this the desktop poem was definitely written by the zodiac killer that wasn't enough to make the determination that sherry Bates was definitely killed by the zodiac there was some secret evidence that a task force was able to uncover in November of nineteen seventy so the hand writing connections that sure what moral made was part of the conclusion is sherry Bates was killed by the zodiac but there was also support of evidence they had nothing to do handwriting and in addition to analyzing the writing to make sure that they all match it was all the same person did they bring in a profiler someone examined because hand writing you know can tell you sometimes a lot about a person's personality did they did they analyze it in that way it was really before profiling profiling is quite popular right now the FBI and John Douglas and all that stuff it's mine hunter is a really popular miniseries and and profiling is kind of new to a lot of people it really came about developed in the nineteen seventies it wasn't so much that with the really work profilers what the police would do if they were you know at wit's end for example with those of the act usually it was the police who is usually newspaper reporters not the police the newspaper reporters would go to prominent psychiatrists or psychologists and say you know here's what this guy did hear details of his crimes here's what he wrote what can you tell us about this killer and the without they all these psychiatrists would would come up with the usual I don't know the usual explanation though he he hated his mother you know I just grasping at straws basically nothing that was nothing was gleaned from these opinions that was you know obviously we still another this area is and if he hated his mother in law I don't think that would really help narrow the field but but there was no profiling really back then and to this day I don't think profiling you know it's been attempted with the zodiac case but this idea was that the whole key to to to solve this case.

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"john douglas" Discussed on KGO 810

KGO 810

02:26 min | 2 years ago

"john douglas" Discussed on KGO 810

"Or cutting herself perhaps I don't know and moral concluded that he felt like that this this desktop alarm was definitely written by the zodiac killer that wasn't enough to make the determination that sherry Bates was definitely killed by the zodiac there was some secret evidence that a task force was able to uncover in November of nineteen seventy so the hand writing connection that sure what moral made was part of the conclusion is sherry Bates was killed by the zodiac but there was also support of evidence they had nothing to do handwriting and in addition to analyzing the writing to make sure that they all match it was all the same person did they bring in a profiler someone examined because hand writing you know can tell you sometimes a lot about a person's personality did they did they analyze it in that way it was really before profiling profiling is quite popular right now the FBI and John Douglas and all that stuff it's mind hunter is a really popular miniseries and and profiling is kind of new to a lot of people it really came about developed in the nineteen seventies it wasn't so much there were there really weren't profilers what the police would do if they were you know at wit's end for example with the zodiac usually it was the police it was usually newspaper reporters not the police the newspaper reporters would go to prominent psychiatrists or psychologists and say you know here's what this guy did hear details of his crimes here's what he wrote what can you tell us about this killer and the without fail these psychiatrists would would come up with the usual I don't know the usual explanations though he he hated his mother you know I just grasping at straws basically nothing that was nothing was clean from these opinions that was you know obviously we still another this area is and if he hated his mother in law I don't think that would really help narrow the field but but there was no profiling really back then and to this day I don't think profiling you know it's been attempted with the zodiac case but this idea was that the whole key to to to solve this case is to figure out what was he trying to.

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"john douglas" Discussed on WTVN

WTVN

01:40 min | 2 years ago

"john douglas" Discussed on WTVN

"Of evidence they had nothing to do handwriting and in addition to analyzing the writing to make sure that they all match it was all the same person did they bring in a profiler someone examined because handwriting you know can tell you sometimes a lot about a person's personality did they did they analyze it in that way it was really before profiling profiling is quite popular right now the FBI and John Douglas and all that stuff it's mine hunter is a really popular miniseries and and profiling is kind of new to a lot of people it really came about developed in the nineteen seventies it wasn't so much there were there really weren't profilers what the police would do if they were you know at wit's end for example with the zodiac usually it was the police it was usually newspaper reporters not the police the newspaper reporters would go do prominent psychiatrists or psychologists and say you know here's what this guy did hear details of his crimes here's what he wrote what can you tell us about this killer and the without fail these psychiatrists would would come up with the usual I don't know the usual explanation though he he hated his mother you know I just grasping at straws basically nothing that nothing was clean from these opinions that was you know obviously we still don't know the zodiac is and if he hated his mother in law I don't think that would really help narrow the field but but there was no.

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"john douglas" Discussed on KOA 850 AM

KOA 850 AM

02:09 min | 2 years ago

"john douglas" Discussed on KOA 850 AM

"That he felt like the the the desktop home was definitely written by the zodiac killer that wasn't enough to make the determination that sherry Bates was definitely killed by the zodiac there were subsequent evidence that a task force was able to uncover in November of nineteen seventy so the hand writing connection that sure what moral made was part of the conclusion is sherry Bates was killed by the zodiac but there was also support of evidence they had nothing to do handwriting and in addition to analyzing the writing to make sure that they all match it was all the same person did they bring in a profiler someone examined because hand writing you know can tell you sometimes a lot about a person's personality did they did they analyze it in that way it was really before profiling profiling is quite popular right now the FBI and John Douglas and all that stuff it's mine hunter is a really popular miniseries and and profiling is kind of new to a lot of people it really came about developed in the nineteen seventies it wasn't so much there were there really weren't profilers what the police would do if they were you know it with sand for example with the zodiac usually it was the police who is usually newspaper reporters that the police the newspaper reporters would go do prominent psychiatrists or psychologists and say you know here's what this guy did hear details of his crimes here's what he wrote what can you tell us about this killer and the without sale these psychiatrists would would come up with the usual I don't know the usual explanations though he he hated his mother you know I just grasping at straws basically nothing that nothing was clean from these opinions that was you know obviously we still another this area is and if he hated his mother in law I don't think that would really help narrow the field but but there was no profiling really.

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Examining the 911 call of the JonBenet Ramsey case

True Crime Garage

15:13 min | 2 years ago

Examining the 911 call of the JonBenet Ramsey case

"Fine-tuning what's going on okay. Noteworthy left in your daughter. How old is your daughter important? How long ago was the same ransom? Note here it's a random victory place Okay what's your name. Are you okay. How long she she thinks we do? Tweet I am honey. I take a deep breath told okay. Thank you for the beautiful trailer for this week. Here captain and thank you for playing patsies nine one one call now just to clear up any type of confusion. I think we should jump right into a transcript of that nine one one call so we can all have a clear understanding what is said on both ends ends from the nine one one operator as well as Patsy Ramsey when nine one one picks up the call. Patsy Ramsey says police on one. What's what's going on Ma'am Patsy Ramsey? Seven fifty five Fifteenth Street. What's going on there Ma'am Patsy? We have a kidnapping hurry please. He's nine one one explained to me what's going on. Okay patsy there we have A. There's a note left and our daughter's gone nine. One one note was left in your daughter's gone patsy. Yes nine one one. How old is your daughter? She is six six years old. She's blonde six years old. How long ago was this patsy? I don't know I just got the no in my daughter's gone nine one one. Does it say who took her patsy. What nine one one does it say? Who took her Pazzi? No I don't know there's a ransom handsome. No here nine one. It's a ransom note patsy it. SAYS SB T sea victory. Please nine one one okay. Okay what's your name or you Cath Asi Patsy Ramsey on the mother. Oh my God please nine one one. Okay I'm sending an officer Sir over okay patsy please nine one one. Do you know how long she's been gone. No I don't please. We just got up and she's not here here. Oh my God please nine one one okay. Cal- patsy please send somebody nine one. I am honey patsy. Please nine one one take a deep breath and patsy. She says hurry. Hurry hurry nine. One one says Pazzi Pazzi Pazzi. At the start part of this call. It appears the Patsy Ramsey is asking for the police. Now we only hear her say police. There are some reports that state that that that is inaudible that we cannot tell what Patsy is saying in that first line yeah. There's some people that speculate that she actually goes to say ambulance and and cuts herself off and says police. She's immediately asked what is going on to which she responds giving her address again. What is going on there ma'am? She states dates. We have a kidnapping hurry please. What I decipher from this? Very quick little snippet at the beginning of the call is I kind of think good and bad when we look at the the scales of Justice in regards to Patsy Ramsey. She's doing exactly what I would expect a mother who is terrified. Ah what could be going on. Her daughter's gone and found a ransom. Note right she is asking for the type of help that she needs police. She is asking. She is stating where she is located and immediately stating stating the problem at hand we kidnapping and then asking hurry please. We've gone through a lot of these nine one one calls over the years. Yeah yeah they drive me nuts. One thing that I've always called into question is when we have a lengthy call and the person is failing to ask for help to respond to the situation until later in the call right here this call roughly is about. I was trying the time it. It's roughly it's a little over a minute. Forty two seconds or something and we have within seven seconds of the call all she is actually asking for help. She's asking for someone to respond to the scene right so I think a good sign for patsy where I say that I think a bad sign signed for Patsy is and this might be just too much speculation on my part but it almost appears to me and somewhat of a manner that she I believe that she could ask for the type of help that she wants police or ambulance. She states where they are located and states. The problem at hand kidnapping happing part of me wonders if she thought that the conversation was going to go any further than that right it okay. Now I'm off the hook. I've made this call. I've told told them to help that. We need. Let's wait for them to respond very good here. We had the nine one one operator asking again. Explain to me what is going on. Okay okay one thing that I will point out that I think is good for Patsy. Ramsey here is unwilling. You mean good good in the sense that let's say she's innocent of any wrongdoing. She goes immediately into we have A. There's a note left in our daughter's gone meaning. Where my first suspicion was that this? This conversation was going to be over soon as she said. There's a kidnapping please hurry right. Then she's asks what is going on. She without hesitation goes into what is going on. She doesn't stumble. You know like I would expect somebody that has has a lot to hide to possibly stumble at that point in the conversation. A lot up. Yeah a lot of us And then there several back and forth about you know our daughter's daughter's gone and there's a note here. She gives a brief description. The at six years old she's blonde. She's a six year old girl down a lot of people label give her a check mark in the and the guilty column for never saying her daughter's name but in fairness to Patsy Ramsey. She's never asked what the daughter's name is. How old is she Karachi your name correct and then we do have a portion here where I find it interesting that nine one one is okay? What's your name? Are you calf so there. Several there are several versions Asians of this call out there right. I find this one to be the most complete one that I have seen and so I'm going with this one. I hear a her. Say The operator. Say Our Cath. which just I find that interesting? Because it doesn't she doesn't seem to know where the calls coming from from at that time almost she's GonNa ask her are you Kathleen or Kathy right but yeah I think it's probably just inaudible and and that's the closest somebody could put down to decipher so I have patsy Ramsey. Of course she's asking for help numerous amorous times asking that they please hurry numerous times throughout this call even in this very short call six or seven seconds into. It is the first time that she asked for our help. And then again around the forty second mark and basically the whole second half of the call is her asking for help or for them to please hurry. Okay so where I always stand on. Those is if we have a situation where somebody calls nine one one and they are not asking for help. Because that's essentially that's all nine one on one is therefore for you to call and request help assistance of some sort. Yeah my issue with a lot of these non one causes is just the the lack of calmness and and obviously that's easier said than done but yes you read the note you yelled for your husband you ran to your husband. You had some kind of conversation with your husband. He reads the note and he says AAC Copley's which one have the two individuals. We know which ones calmer John Ramsey. So maybe you should call because like you said after you asked for help. Maybe that's that's where you think it should stop. Its where it doesn't stop so nine one one is going to keep you whoever calls on the line as long as they can unless unless you have really good reason to not be on the call. Yeah this this call also gets put into question because I would think when you start talking to somebody and saying hey we have emergency. Here's where we're at by me talking to you. The reason why they keep you on the phone is to start calming you down. So as you as the call progresses. Patsy doesn't get more calm. I think this this to me is either a sign that she's faking it. And she's a drama queen or this says happening in real time on. This happened so quickly and as they're asking her questions she still processing the fact that her kid is gone on. And what the hell are we going to do. And one of the things I find really interesting. I believe John. Douglas talks about this. This is one of the key things that he believes that she didn't know much about the note and go get to the note later. Ballade people speculate that she wrote it while she wrote it and they said WHO's the note from that if she was really familiar with the note she she would adjust said as BTC. But it's almost like she asked flip to that part of the note and then she reads from down to upwards reads S. B. T. C.. That makes no sense so she goes to the next word to try to find the answer S. B. T. C.. Nope that's not a good answer victory. Oh that's not good answer either she. I'm saying so. If somebody is more familiar with the no they probably went out. Read from down to up probably when it had to flip to the back To the third page aged to find the answer. That's assuming that that she's doing that. But it sounds like the way she's describing things on that nine one one call. It sounds as if that that is in fact what she is doing. Yeah it'd be very good acting. I would think if she's faking. That you said Drama Queen. I do believe she took some trauma courses. This is the in high school or College. I B here's what drives me. Nuts is like on the where always constantly going. Well here's how I would've reacted or this is how I think somebody should react. Where because if you did if John Ramsey called and said my name is John Ramsey my my daughter Jon Benet Ramsey's missing? She's six years old she's blonde. She's about however tall that they would persecute him for being into com- Not being emotional enough right well I to me. I don't try to look too much into the to try to figure throughout the emotions of the person making the call. I never do that. My whole thing is just I always question win. They are finally asking for help. Because that's that's what nine one one is. It's truly a life line. It is their only to be asking for help and Dan when somebody is in a situation as severe as this. I expect them to be asking for help very quickly in the call and the reason why I always reference that is because if it's a put on if you're only calling nine one one because you feel that that's what you are supposed to do or how you are supposed to act in the situation and you in fact it something terrible then really. You don't want help to show up inside deep down inside you. You're hoping it's delayed as possible because you don't want to have to explain anything to anyone right because you don't want them to know what you've done so I always take that into account when I when I listen these. I never tried to listen to the emotion because as you very Very well pointed out. We don't know how each one of us would behave or react to these different situations. We there is no right way to act or wrong way to behave on these calls and the car gets a little more interesting at the end because there is no okay. See you later or will be here waiting. There's no and end and that's where I believe possibly at that point. John Ramsey is trying to tell patsy Ramsey. Something there's something going on at that House that is pulling her attention away from the phone call in that point. Gone that minute and and forty some seconds on the phone to that mother could have felt like an hour so she might have been like look. I said all I need to say now. There's stuff going on here And now I'm talking to these individuals than the phone hangs up and it's always been kind of a mystery what it has been said at the Ed this is from a two thousand sixteen story on Bustle Dot Com. There's long been debate Over what exactly happened at the tail end of the of the recording was some arguing. The call did not immediately disconnect after patsy hung up the receiver and that a third voice can be heard the nine one one tape has been analyzed nine times nine different times by everyone

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"john douglas" Discussed on KHVH 830AM

KHVH 830AM

11:41 min | 3 years ago

"john douglas" Discussed on KHVH 830AM

"John Douglas the original mind hunter is on with this now hello John how are you Sir very well planned thanks for having me it's an honor to talk to you I remember what it in some way what you went through when you first started talking to people because I remember my grandfather saying these guys are just talking on their gonna make excuses I don't care what happened to them in their life they did the crime and that was the prevalent theory when you started interviewing these mass murderers correctly at the FBI very much what's happening on the series the mine answers on Netflix the question is why am I doing this or what what are you doing in you shouldn't be going into the prisons doing these interviews well at the time I was thirty two years old I came back to Quantico after working seven years in the field as a very young age and when I was recruited I just got the military at four years of military couple advanced degrees and came back and was sitting back the classroom now I had to audit the senior instruction instructors and the senior instructors Justin have their facts right and and how do I know that because they were police officers in the classroom that were challenging the instructors and say look the I work the Manson case you got your facts all screwed up so here I am now thirty two years old and I got to get up in front of the senior investigators from throughout the world and and FBI agents you know at some point and and what can I do to accelerate my learning so in the old days we had local roads schools you go out and and may be teaching in a San Diego the later on Boise Idaho they all list going to these prisons as my partner and I said let's go let's see if Manson will talk to us we'll see if David Berkowitz the son of Sam or suspects are hands or hands and so it's a crazy idea but when it to the the prisons just on an ounce which was kind of when you're an agent to just show you credits you can go in and and you're not to tell anybody why you want to speak to these people and to our surprise we were very very very very forthcoming very very interested in speaking with me but we made mistakes early on in the and when we first started doing the interviews that would go in there with notes go in there with a tape recorder and that was a terminal a turn off from them why because the they're paranoid individuals may should be paranoid they're incarcerated with a lot of other violent offenders they don't trust corrections is certainly not gonna trust the FBI so what I began to do that as we went along and we teamed up with Dr Sam Burgess Boston College and and we developed a computerized instrument for interviews which I would never sell out during the interview process with the before and after the you know the interview and then this started to you know document this you know this material and and began to get some really fantastic information from them regarding victim selection pre offense behavior post offense behavior thanks guys thinking what can I do creative the creative is only to create a situation where I make because David Burke was for example a to go to the grave site of his victims or to inject himself into the police investigation well the bureau stood afar they were they were really against us you know what the hell you doing yeah this kind of in this kind of work and and they were really the last ones to embrace the my own agency they're waiting for me if I need to screw up in and it sent me to Butte Montana okay so there's something like that so the so they were the last ones you know to embrace it and then when I got really some national some international publicity and I was in so many cases but they want to hit the Atlanta the land shall killings was very controversial I was censured by the bureau when I I publicly said vehicular would be a a when a black offender would not be white in that particular case of historical we had a lot of white serial killers leading up to the to that time and when they finally the arrested windy Williams in the case that I got involved in cross examination strategies coaching the prosecutor and how to how to there go after him on the stand and again I was very very very very young but now is this young young agent and when I would now get in front of a group a cop senior top senior agents you know its if you like he'll show EF Hutton went when he if he if I'd speaks everyone listens tensely started started you know listening but along the way it's it's it's stressful and it's stressful me ask you this on the on the on the stress part of it a first of all I don't wanna give any spoilers for anybody who hasn't seen this series on Netflix but is that last episode did that at all anything like that did you go through that well it was is actually it's worse its source and the only because it was it that that to take away that didn't didn't happen like that but I I I I was training in New York City to it in nineteen eighty three and it was around we'll see around October November and while while on stage training several hundred police from from Nassau County so fickle around Manhattan I'm sorry I just came back on the Yorkshire Ripper case I have to go up to Alaska where a guy is the believe this hunting down wind and he's he's a docking women's stripping and down naked as he takes me to their plane flies them up into the wilderness and hunts and down then there's the Green River the Green River killer in Seattle Washington so I had this anxiety attack while on stage and and I know my material so well that my mouth is talking but my brain is elsewhere and I don't feel like I'm I'm having a heart attack I'm perspiring I'm saying to myself a St Douglas man you got to regroup you gotta come come out of this we focus focus and so I got through it I don't think anyone no one ever said anything no one ever detected it but by the time I get back to Quantico like I felt that thirty years of age I'm gonna have a heart attack I would have something I may have cancer something's going to happen to me so I took out all its income protection insurance and it's now time to go out on the green for murder cases Seattle Washington I have tremendous headaches I had to train to younger agents now assigned to my program and the long and short out there what happened was is before I wanted it before the task force come back to my hotel room Kelly agents I feel like I am getting a flu and that night I collapse in my hotel room floor they think kick down the door three days later because we haven't announced disturb sign on the door and they find me and frog like position my brain had split the right temporal lobe from hundred and seven degree body temperature my heart beats to twenty and then comma and I remain in a coma for a a week to come out of the comma paralyzed all on that the the left side can't the can't speak before I came out of the coma they're planning on the veteran a plane to bury me and at the veterans of iron cemetery and the doctors later on when he came back they flew me back after months in the hospital back to where I live in Virginia one to various doctors want to psychologists and psychologists contest the main exit Johnson before she got the environs of the light is brought on your new system is so low you should we came very close to dying plus you have complications of blood clots that nearly killed you aces but the the the really suffering as posttraumatic stress disorder that with some and and some of things we see in our veterans coming back to your experience the same kind of the same kind of thing here dealing with Dustin and violence in dealing with the victims of these violent crimes that break your heart when you have to do that I deal with them I'm a victim of mother tells you John I you have to tell me how my daughter was killed my daughter fight in you know on and on and it really is it's was emotionally exhausting so John did you did you because in watching you and in reading these books that you've you've written you yes I am I I II I think the toll on you on sitting you know end and then intentionally making them feel superior to you by by adjusting the chair so they're higher than you are and doing all these things and befriending them it just seems like there is a you're paying of a a price in your soul to be able to get this information well yeah I get a sample interview that Richard speck of kill seven nurses in the in the Chicago area and and and he was extremely violent they were holding him in in a cage and they want me to show show me his cell first in his **** in a in a cell but meanwhile the screaming and yelling like you know like crazy and when I finally got back in his cage with him I was with this counselor I decide to totally ignore him that in turn my back to him and had a conversation with his counselor and I had I had to use I use street language and in talking to accounts for about the crimes that he committed you know kind of still see kind of language but the kind of language that you're rich inspector can identify with and I said something to the effect that you know this was counselors I don't know what this guy eats for breakfast but man I said he he rate the seven you know seven women and one had a son and stand and I knew we didn't do that so he chimes in behind he's he's sitting up on top of the curtains that I'm six foot two he's six two is well they still want to dominate the old remain a let him do it and he says I didn't I didn't and using street terms what he did to those girls and so I know I said was just the the one on the couch he says you're crazy man you ought to be in here you will have some you just like us and I'm really not just like him but I have to show this this false sense of empathy and I'd be lying to you go and if I tell you at the end of the day welcome back to my own family and and at the time and then the young children you know they have and and that you may have flashbacks may in the end it with your wife one night at at and at and your sink into some amorous type of thing you may want to be doing now you're thinking about some horrific cases for us and that your home your work and it's really is strangers here house I want to take it I assume you don't teller teller that on date night yeah I like it honey I know what I'm thinking about right now John I I'm gonna take a quick break for about a minute they were gonna come back and continue our conversation but I just have to thank you for what you've indoors as a as a human being for all of our sakes you know you you put up with both sides the law and to the devil and it took a lot of grief and and thank you for for standing in doing that thank you back in just one more minute John Douglas the killer across the table he is the original mine hunter they do if you've seen the Netflix show this is the guy back do you suffer from phone from can be a serious condition if you.

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"john douglas" Discussed on Newsradio 700 WLW

Newsradio 700 WLW

01:58 min | 3 years ago

"john douglas" Discussed on Newsradio 700 WLW

"Really due to the victims he was involved in necrophilia? He went back and had relations with victim sex sex, after they were dead. And he was he was sadistic, so don't show me just a smiley toothy guy with a big heart throb basically turning a murderer into a heartthrob some reforms. Right. And to your point you choose not to glorify or give credit to killers in that regard. You want to keep the focus on the crime and the impact on the community. And the impact of community and the victims of these of the crimes. And if you see me do the interview you would think we are the best of buddies wanna talk into to these guys and you have to do a little bit of an acting job, you know, with them, you let them take control. I thought going in as as as young agent. I thought these are sexually motivated, primarily crimes. I soon found out that sex may be component of the crime, but it's, it's not it's not the motivation, the motivation is anger its power because this inadequate nobody is perpetrating. These crimes feels like they've never had it. They never had. In fact, they feel to realize if they feel like they're the ones they're the victims, so they just cannot relate. There's no empathy. If they if if it looks like empathy in all abilities. It's feigned empathy on their part because they're still hoping that they'll get the hell out of bed out of prison. You know, you know one day, so I had them do that world. They'll cry few tears, you know, and I'll go along with it, but he'd down. I know their crimes themselves like there's, there's no tears for the for the crimes that they did. Former FBI profiler John Douglas is our guest. He's going to stick around after the break, and we're going to get into the next hurdle in the form of profiling on seven hundred wwl w. Everyone's got a story.

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"john douglas" Discussed on KGO 810

KGO 810

03:49 min | 3 years ago

"john douglas" Discussed on KGO 810

"The money was down in the basement. But what was amazing to me at the time? I was freezing in the cell within his cold. He is he is sweating and shaking at times PECS under shirts are just just trembling. It's going to all of the details all of the details. And at some point he begins to whisper to maybe. Because he doesn't want anyone to know what he's telling me as forgetting that I'm representing the parole board. And he's and I said when you get out I'm I'm telling him that when he gets out I'm saying when you get out jail where on and he says, I'm going to New York. I should man. I said I was raised in New York, it's expensive. And he says I got money you got money. What do you get money making licensed place? You said no, I got money from the insurance when my mother died. My grandmother died money from the sale of the house, but I put the money out of state. A why did you do that? So the victim's family can't get into any of the money. And then I said, well, we'll man you'll do you'll do great when you get to New York. Six hundred fifty thousand six hundred and fifty thousand live in high on the hog when you get to New York does he know maybe does know the next day, I'm going before the parole board. Sure going to be presenting this stuff to the to the parole board. And when I do they're shocked. They're shocked at the information. How I was able to get the information and to me it was very very simple. And wise, a simple because I told him I said because you guys rely on self reporting you look at the crime scene photographs you don't look at the autopsy protocol, y'all topsy photographs you don't know anything about the police investigation at all. So you really believe when this guy tells you that he doesn't get the urge anymore to kill you really believe that he's telling you the truth, you really believe that because because they lie and don't you understand these people lie to you? And they'll test you to see whether or not you understand their case or no, no the case and one of the things. That McGowan would later do because parole board later told me is that he wrote to it. Some woman is crazy women that fall in love with these guys and said, you'd always interviewed by this guy FBI John Douglas, and I noticed during the interview he didn't have any notes, and he wasn't taking those papers. But he knew my case he knew my case backwards and forwards, and that was that was something that evolved with me over the years that that helped me to get information from out of these people and to develop this kind of feigned empathy or concern for this the person who I'm talking to where we deep down. I'm kind of fighting myself thinking, oh, my God, this guy this guy here. Anything should be executed. Here. I'm his great, buddy. Well, that's so interesting brings us to the bottom of the hour. And I don't wanna get too deep into any other story because I only have to stop. But this speaks directly to something that that you wrote in chapter ten again, the new book, we're talking about with John Douglas is the killer across the table, and this quote stuck with me because of something that always bugs me whenever we talk about. The line between good and evil, and I'll get back to that in a second. But here's the quote, he was talking about just that same thing interviewing these people who are killers. And he said the many times I faced off against killers who would have been just as happy to murder me as to talk to me have been among the most intense experiences of my life, just as happy to murder me as talk to me. That's where we'll start when we come back with John Douglas. It's Friday.

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"john douglas" Discussed on KNST AM 790

KNST AM 790

13:49 min | 3 years ago

"john douglas" Discussed on KNST AM 790

"The killer. Cross the table unlocking the secrets of serial killers predators with John Douglas, and we'll talk with John either with you leading the questions Romy coming up till the end of this hour. We'll do open lines on coast to coast. A m so let's head Kemper a little bit more for those people who watched the the Netflix series you couldn't help but be fascinated by at Kemper. Then if you went on YouTube, you could actually see the real interview with Ed Kemper that the dialogue was based on the movie was virtually word for word, and the actor that they hired captured the same spirit of Ed Kemper in the same sort of unusual vocal cadences. Well, and and so what do you what did you think of that? When you saw that interview with Ed Kemper that it was the. The act the real Ed Kemper versus the one that was used in the series, mind hunter. The actor's name was Cameron written. He did a tremendous job. Flashbacks? Why? About six five and just two angles. Make me bigger Kemper. There's a picture of me on on the internet listeners can find where new standing next to camp. I'm six foot two Kemper six nine he even tower tower. Overnight extremely bright extremely articulate individual. In fact, there were times he just talked so much that I had to tell him to shut up for minute. We ask you a question. There are certain it's just like any case. There was always a question. You want to ask someone and and you need an answer. Dennis Rader, Btk K. Why did you stop the so with bright? I wanted. I wanted to know the he behavior victim selection, how he lured the victims was able to get them into the into the car and really the wise of of his behavior. But but no. Unbelievable role the to kill the if anyone not seen the show, but he didn't physically go go after the he was he basically a big coward. He was bullying at six nine bullied in you know, in school, but his mother made him who he was unfortunately. And his he reminded his his mother of of her ex ex husband looked the spitting image of him. And so she hated him in lock them down the basement with it was a furnace down air gas furnace. Where fantasize was the devil. Hell and sisters dolls start decapitating heads off of the dolls the arms the legs things. He would do to victims later on y'all so was into animal cruelty, buried cats alive. Dissect cats, he was giving psychological test of four the psychologist administering them to other, you know, other inmates when he was when he was incarcerated, but you know, it's it's one of these things again, you look at the guy he he wouldn't be where he was had not been for all this this early childhood stuff and with the with the mother, but yet camera Britain played. Yeah. Quite a role, and they show a tape recorder there too. You know? No, we we had initially like I said a before. But now you have to give your undivided attention again, really know the case. Inside and out, and and he tried to use most offenders, he tried to dominate you. During the interview he had no trouble for physical size the dominate at Kemper. No problem. Charles Manson, a problem. I'm six two he's five to I knew he was going to get up on top. So I made sure there was furniture available. So he could get on top of the furniture dominate me. Look down at need lecture chimps chimpanzees. I knew that even Richard speck who killed seven. When interviewed interviewed him and he's big big, ugly guy. Hey was just violent screaming and yelling at as his counsel on the show needs pornography in his jail cell. And and he was held back in a cage waiting to go in this cage within the end of you and the counselor. And what's really truly intimidate an? Got the maybe intimidating, but it's the environment that you're in in the prison in his where he was broken glass birds flying in and out of inmates yet too close to the cells throw urine, Anya feces on you. And so I'm walking by the cell, and I tell I tell us council forget about let's just walked past and get back to get back to the cage. And when I got back to the cage he was person me up and down. So what I did. I totally ignored them. I nor I turn my back to he sat up on top of just like the smaller guys. But he was big. And I just turned to the the counselor as if he's not even there. I said, you know, the thing is I don't know what you know, what he needs for breakfast, Richard. I I don't know how in the heck he was able to have sex with seventies. Women. I knew this that wasn't the case. Seventies women and the counselors. Yeah. And then he chimes in in back of us said, I didn't use all the street terms. And I didn't. And I said, no, I know you just one the one on the couch. Right. You just did that one. Yeah. And it just kind of opened open things up, but the the real life the real life was more intimidating and stressful than what some actually what you see on television. And it's just that overall the overall environment. You can't trust anybody. I can't even sometimes trust corrections. Because they're in there. They're trying to survive a day to day of summer the bad guy. They want to be the good guys. That's why can't tip anyone off you come in because they're going. It's going to get into the yard that age is agents coming and so Manson, he said, hey, give me something gotta give. Getting I go back to you. I gotta show I ripped off. I want I want no sunglasses. Wait with these array bands. He's a nice glass. I need to go back sometime. Okay. Given the Ray pansy goes back into the show. Yeah. These guys I didn't give them anything. When even looking. Interesting. Techniques of survival under those compressed conditions the, but even so that brings me back to something that I remember interview, I wrote this. True crime book about a murder in my family. And it was an I interviewed people that had experienced with the narcissist. Sociopaths the difference. You know, right that I'm not telling you anything. But for you know, that narcissism is pretty garden variety, but the the sociopath the Dr schism is when it kind of gets weaponized a little bit. And and when an in this case. When I was talking to people about that. It was pretty clear that that what the the nurses sociopath is in their minds as they are the center of the merry go round and all the rest of us are in their world. And that's why they feel like they have this right to decide who lives and dies. And why they the the total lack of empathy. It's all the big experiment for them to try to figure out this world that they are in control of. And that's the so, yeah, I'm hearing the echoes of that and everything you're saying, and then what you start to get to. I want to hear about the study insert where you're going with that study that I'm gonna be over in England do a presentation on the eighth of June. So so this is a study having to do with the narcissistic socio. Yeah. A murder is probably region. I'll give you the thumbnail. So great. So Belinda board Katharina Fritz in university of Surrey two thousand five they set out to find out what made business leaders tick. Right. It was very innocent pursuit originally. And they wanted to know like the key facets of personality. You know, what what what what made some people motivated to get to the top and others were perfectly happy making a decent living in the middle. But they didn't really have to you know, they didn't have to be the alpha and their analysis revealed during the psychological profiling that and I'm quoting here there that a number of psychopathic attributes were actually more common and business leaders that in so-called disturbed criminals actress beauts such as superficial charm respect to something we talked about ready egocentricity persuasiveness lack of. Empathy independence, focus, and that the main difference between the groups was in the more antisocial aspects of the syndrome, the criminals lawbreaking, physical aggression and impulsively, you know, dials were cranked up higher. And so that was the difference difference between the CEO. So where are you with that? Yeah. Well, I'm about fifty miles from Washington DC. Just described. No, I agree. And I talk about I'll show pitchers of Weinstein, the Harvey Weinstein caused the Matt Lauer, you got many, many others, and I said, you know, actually thinking about and I said when I'm dealing with violent offenders, violent offenders are seeking the power they're seeking power in control and to get what they want here, you have people who have the power they've got the control already and the so the use it, you know, to to get a potential victim. And so it so it is it's very very it's very very similar when you when you start looking only some are killers type I deal with on a daily basis, and then the others are functional, but they they're right. They could be the CEO. It could be, you know, have a like I said the congress somewhere running our country, just never. Well, that's interesting pieces that you know, you hear people talk so empathetic because is is explained to me. There's a guy named les Carter Dr Carter whose work in he deals in narcissism. In relationships. Right. And he writes a lot about teaching women to avoid being religious, nurses, because it'll never get better. You know, he's always very clear that this is. But what he said. And I think that narcissist learned the language of empathy, and they know how to going back to something. He's talked about last hour. They know what to say. And they know how they're in the coast kind of a lifelong study of how does a real person talk. How does somebody and how do you get by? And that's why you can see a CEO talking about oh every employee. We just love them so much, and there's like family to me just before they kill two thousand jobs, and they say that and I think they don't even they know what they're doing perhaps. But they also don't know what they're doing when they do it. They know what they're doing massive Nicolay, and they can read they can read people and basement profiling they're profiling themselves interesting and another so so that's that's a great study. You just you just brought up here. But I've seen when I like I said when I go out, I'll show pictures of these different different CEO's, or whomever. They different positions. They are holding in our country and very similar characteristics. Only this group you're killing this this group over here are are using that power and control to to manipulate manipulate others for for their personal needs. There's something else. I learned that the reason why the person that killed my my relative was they they they did it in a burst. They they were cornered there. They were narcissist socio. Path, and they they structured the world very carefully and everything that they said was to help maintain this image of themselves as the victim that everybody out for them that they are truly this or that they're very misunderstood. And that they're the greatest at so many things, and why won't people give them the credit for being the greatest at blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And when she broke up with him the night that that she broke off the engagement. He almost he like got very sullen and then he killed her..

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"john douglas" Discussed on KTLK 1130 AM

KTLK 1130 AM

13:07 min | 3 years ago

"john douglas" Discussed on KTLK 1130 AM

"John Douglas and make sure that there's plenty of plugs for the new book the killer across the table because we could talk for two hours easily about anything you've ever done. And so I just wanna make sure we get that one in there. It's a pleasure to talk with you think you so much for giving us the time tonight. Oh, thank you. Thank you very much and the in show, you got me down, Pat good. I hope so you deserve that. And and it was interesting because the even your title the killer across the table evoked and rule and her famous book about Ted Bundy, the stranger beside me, did you have a chance to know any. Great. I really started getting going and better at conferences before she started becoming his prolific. And now, she was shoes a great woman. And yeah. What she would have been writing for the true crime magazines back when she was, you know, a mom raising. You know, I think it was four kids and and she had to make her own way. So she was selling articles to true detective. And doing well with that. But it was interesting because you make many of the same not that you you're copying her in any way. But it's that you or that she copied you, but you come to a lot of the same conclusions as I'm I wrote this book about true crime in its role in our culture, and why we need it. And and what it replaced in our Mindscape, and at and I think that you are work with true crime has been something that few few authors could ever make as much of a claim to that you've been boots on the ground right there. Talking to the very people that other authors could only hope could only dream of getting a few minutes of the you've spent a lot of time across the table with them in your book, you go through some cases that are equally fascinating to the better known cases. But aren't as well known, right? I had the credentials. The FBI credentials that could get me into those into those prisons, which I if you don't have a lot more more. And and when I went into the prisons, I didn't have to tell anyone in advance who I wanted to speak to one interview Manson, I just go into the prison, and they talked to the warden wanna talk to Charles Manson. What about not really I'm not gonna tell you what the specifics. I would tell them then they would bring whoever I wanted to speak to out. For the interview spent four five six hours with an you know at a at a time, but I did this I really out of survival. When I came back to the FBI kademi, I was only thirty two years of age recruited out of the air force at twenty five years of age, which was very very young went back to the FBI then went onto Detroit. If you mentioned in at a top of the hour where we're Bank robberies. I worked organized crime cases worked with the homicide. Detectives. Walkie then came back to the FBI and would audit. The the senior instructors. And the only trouble was the senior instructors they were telling war stories, but they had never really done any any research. So that'd be up in front of a class talking about I like, Ed Kemper, and it'd be a guy in class who would say I worked the case man, you got you facts wrong. So I'm sitting in the back of the class auditing this instructor. I'm staying home. Goodness. I cannot I maybe a young guy. But I got exceleron my learning. And so when we go out we call them Roach schools in those days for two weeks at a road schools. Yeah. That's interesting. And then we teach for say an LA for five days spare time downtime. Let's go into fan Clinton. Let's see if Manson will talk to us. Let's see, whomever. We'll speak to us. We didn't ask for any bureau petition. Sure, they would've said, no. And he just one we did get caught doing this the bureau just like in the in the mind hunter series. They weren't too keen on this. Why you're talking to these people? What's the purpose here? Our job is to investigate and lock them up. Purposes with trying to understand the criminal personality of the wide. Plus how equals who? Right here when we have a case, which figure out who here, we have people who are incarcerated we know who they are. I'm trying to find out the motivation. You know, why they did it victimology why they selected a particular victim? Why did the things that they did to victim? What was the pre offense behavior? What was the post defense behavior? If they confess what was the circumstances. Stances surrounding the the interrogation that made this person volunteer and provide provide information to the to the police so doing that. And then teamed up Dr Anne Burgess from from Boston College who we developed as fifty seven page computerized instrument of protocol that would cover every aspect of the case the victim to the subject every you name. It would be every piece of the of an investigation and unlike in the show where the the investigators go in my character is trying my part goes in with the paper quarter and notes I would never do that. I never had a tape recorder. And I started off with one with that Kemper. And it was a mistake because they're extremely paranoid individuals. You know, what are you doing? With the tape recorder. Why taking notes and so I in that. And then what? I would do it was I was just memorized the case backwards and forwards memorize the protocol fifty seven pages some of which I could fill out before. I did the actual interview the rest I could fill out after the after the interview, and then conduct the interview. And it was just surprising. How open they began. They were with me. And it wasn't. And it wasn't interrogation. And they didn't teach this kind of stuff and and training in law enforcement academies, the FBI because it was not an interrogation. It was not like an interview it was conversation. And they just as many questions for me as I had them. They want to know about the bureau, they wanna know about you know, how I do the work that that, you know, I do and it started off we receive maybe the first year. I received fifty cases fifty cases from police who had taken my classes at Quantico and then. It started doubling and doubling every year every year after that. So by the time, I retired from the bureau. I was doing the thousand cases and had twelve agents work for me. And we were we swan many of us would just so burned out because of the volume of the work the nature of the work and many of us along the way got sick physically. Sick emotionally sick from this type of work in dealing not just with the subjects, but the dealing with the victims and surviving victims families who want answers who wanna know what happened to say their daughter did what what was it life for my daughter when she was being murdered. And they want you to describe they want you to describe to them everything that took place during the crime, which is gut wrenching. And and I I I I don't wanna do that. I want and get angry with with. And then Finally I had to open up and had to go to had to go through the the case with them and explain to them and everything about the decay. So it was really it was emotionally draining to do. I still do it you have to because at a time like that when we have been victimized what people don't want. I think in this comes from more from not from my research and true crime. But because I. Went to seminary. I'm ordained in the Piscopo church is that people at a time of crisis like that. They want facts they want truth. They want someone to say things to them that are not platitude Noel, you know, they don't need to hear God needed. Another little ballerina in heaven. Right. They don't need that what they need is somebody to talk straight to them. And that's what they were demanding of you because you had the information, and they have the imagination and maybe their imaginations were worse than what it was that. You could tell them about what happened, and it helps them not just fixate on that. And go around in circles, and in fact, in the current book killer across the table, there is a case in their Joseph McGowan. Yeah. Child was was murdered by a schoolteacher who lived in the neighborhood. She was collecting money from the sale of girls got cookies and the mother Rosemary del Andrew became very very close close with her and helped her inner fund, and she's changed the laws in New Jersey. Because the person who I would be going in interviewing was all set to get out of prison at the serving the maximum sentence of thirty years, and the the interview that I did, and I the parole board swarm in and and I was representing the parole board this on this particular day and went into this interview environment, I stage the interview environment, I had very low lighting the room was dark room was called very very little furniture in the room. Didn't want him in shackles bigeye six foot. He was that's not my six two, but strong. Got real strong since he's been incarcerated working out in the yard with the with the weights. And it was just fascinating. At some point. What you're trying to do is you try to take him back to that day thirty thirty years earlier and turn on that CD in his brain where I got him back. And now, let's see let's see if he has been so called rehabilitated. That's why I was there will be a threat to society if he's released because he he's gonna get out unless someone thinks that he should stay in. And so I could this is interview. And and into the interview he just started looking off as I said, what was it like that day? It was it was Easter time. What what was it? Like, why did you do the things that you did? And I try to ignore whereas like child or or murder, and he was a schoolteacher. He got demoted in school in school job. He. He was engaged engagement of was broken off. He was living with his mother in in the basement is by the way work is Graham was upstairs the school. Also, the teachers went away on on vacation did not invite him. And then all of a sudden he just looks at me any turns away, and he said when I heard the knock on the door, John I and looked up and saw her I knew I was going to kill her. And this is a little seven year old girl has wanted. You do Joe. And then he talks about how he lured down into the basement because he said he didn't have any money. The money was down in the basement. But what was amazing to me at the time? I was freezing in sell. It was cold. He is he is wedding and shaking at times, PEX under shirts are just just trembling. It's an and he's going to all of the details all the details. And at some point he begins to whisper to me because he. Doesn't want anyone to know what he's telling me. And he's forgetting I'm representing the parole board. And he's and I said when you get out I'm I'm telling him not when he gets out. I'm saying when you get out Joe, and he says, I'm going to New York. I should man. I was raised in New York, it's expensive. And he says I got money money money, making license place. He said, no, I got money from the insurance when my mother died. My grandmother died money from the sale of the house, but I put the money out of state allied. You do that. So that the family can't get into any of the money. And then I said, well, we'll manage you'll do you'll do great when you get to New York. Six hundred fifty thousand six hundred fifty thousand live in high on.

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"john douglas" Discussed on KTRH

KTRH

06:24 min | 3 years ago

"john douglas" Discussed on KTRH

"From this. But first, let's get to sue in Atlanta on wildcard line on coast to coast AM for John Douglas, sue. Thanks for the completely creepy. Sog from silence of the lambs. I have a question for you. If I were your daughter or your little sister. What advice would you tell me to look out for or are these victims just in the wrong place at around? I sometimes I mean, if you're if you're. Is state your car breaks down. And here comes the good. Samaritan and offers you a ride you went from a low Ristic, then we would write it up. If you were murdered a lowest victim, but the minute you went into a vehicle that you didn't know who the person was in this car, you increase your risk level too. High risk high risk victim. I tell my daughters, and because it affects me working with these crazy people have three three children when they were younger. I was very kind of overprotective of them. But but one of the things if you were dating your on some internet site match dot com, something like that the question. My mother used to tell my sister. And she's exactly right. It's it's look to see what the relationship there exist between the person you like say, this male, and the the mother see what this relationship is like what he thinks of the mother how because that. Mother really has in some women. Get mad at me when I say this. But but what about the father all the father is important its mother NFL there. But but tell these cases of violent cases that we've seen we've seen that. There is this dysfunction is issues between the mother and the father almost eight the mother and the the sun, and that would be something a question to you know, to ask go walking or out. I'm always looking for potential problems. And I'll see you girl with a headset on and she's walking around in a park can come right up on her. And she's listening to music can come right up on her attacker, as you would know what what hitter. And so you just have to be careful, and these guys can tell you they can go in a bar, and they they could see a bunch of women sitting on a barstools, and they can pick out the girl that Saudi. Problems. Maybe depressed drinking her body posture. How she sitting sitting at the bar and they'll move in. They could move in like a like a like jaws like. Like we said earlier in the here comes the the Knight in shining Arbor. They can they can size people up pretty yeah. Pretty darn quick. So you don't be alone better be with friends and the friends Betty you all to take care of each other. And look after each other. High-risk position. This was back though to that idea of archetypes, and you don't have to buy into it. But the the that idea of what is learned for little girls, or as other people talking about that a lot of these stories are really intended for for tweens for for people to to have in your mind as you're going out into the world is your is your entering into young womanhood, or or or dulled hood, the little red riding hood motif of the wolf that then changes in order to lure. So the wolf is unsuccessful in the woods. But then you know, becomes the grandma in order to lure the girl. And she of course, but even the Hodson gretel motif. And and of course, you know, the the dark side of the Knight in shining armor is the Bluebeard stories and luring women and then capturing them in in keeping them. I keep seeing that connection in terms of preparing people. It's it's not bad motif. Anyway. Have a chance to say right now when my when my street children's who daughters when they were really really young we were at a park, and it was pony rise. And I'm looking at a look at the children. I'm looking at the people who watching the kids on the pony rise. And there's this one guy standing there, and he has a camera, and he's taken pictures of these children. So I told my one. See this guy over here. She was like seven just out here. I said I think he doesn't have any children on those ponies. So sure enough the ride ends they get off the ponies, and he has no connection with the children. He starts walking the park with his camera and he's following these young children. So I said, let's tale this guy. And I said you see this guy. He's taking pictures of these children, not even aware of it. Now, what can happen here is that wherever he lives. He you go. If I send you out selling cookies girl scout cookies or something for the church and without supervision and you knock on his door. He looks around what I've done to us is I've increased your risk level increase your risk level. So I shouldn't you should never put yourself in that position. Nor should I put yourself in that position, you should be accompanied by an adult, and that's why I'm really against when you have these parents send their kids out door to door. In neighborhoods thinking that the safe neighborhood. How many times? Safe neighborhood. But they they know there's a is a guy in the neighborhood here who you know, is a pedophile or or have some type of criminal history. How did Lauren like her bring your daughter day? I made my wife even. She dating she she made a situation where you to see the driver's license. Like the photograph look at my photograph. What is your photograph? Look like she wanted information from the driver's license, the license plate. And then the last thing was offered a drink. And the reason she wanted him to take was late and fingerprints just in case. Off of the glass that.

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"john douglas" Discussed on KTOK

KTOK

13:58 min | 3 years ago

"john douglas" Discussed on KTOK

"Okay. The killer. Cross the table unlocking the secrets of serial killers predators with John Douglas, and we'll talk with John either with you leading the questions or me coming up till the end of this hour, then we'll do open lines on coast to coast. A m. So let's talk about Ed Kemper a little bit more for those people who watched the the net flicks series. You couldn't help but be fascinated by at Kemper. Then if you went on YouTube, you could actually see the real interview with Ed Kemper that the dialogue was based on the movie which virtually word for word and the actor that they hired. Captured the same spirit of Kemper in the same sort of usual vocal cadence as well. And and so what do you what did you think of that? When you saw that interview with Ed Kemper that it was the actor the relayed Kemper versus the one that was used in the series, mind hunter. The actor's name was Cameron Britain. He did a tremendous job. Flashbacks? Why? Cameras about six five and just to angles, you know, make the bigger Kemper. There's a picture of me on on the internet listeners can find where new standing next to camp. I'm six foot two Kemper six foot nine he even tower tower over me extremely bright extremely articulate individual. In fact, there were times he just talked so much that I had to tell him to shut up for a minute. We ask you a question. Is there a certain it just like any case? There was always a question. You want to ask someone and and you need an answer. Dennis Rader, Btk K. Why did you stop the so with with Kemper I wanted I wanted to know the heat behavior victim selection, how he lured the victims was able to get them into the into the car and really the wise of of his behavior. But but no. Betrayed unbelievable role. The Anna wanna kill the if anyone's not seen the show, but he didn't physically go go after he was he basically was a big coward. He he was bullying at six nine one bullied in you know, in school, but his mother made him who he was on, unfortunately, and his he minded his his mother of of her ex ex husband looked the spitting image, you know, of him. And so she hated him and lock them down the basement with it was a furnace down air gas furnace where you fantasize. It was the devil. Hell and it had sisters dolls start decapitating heads off of the dolls the arms the legs things. He would do to victims later on y'all. So was into animal cruelty, buried cats alive. You know, dissect dissect cats, he was giving psychological. Test of for the psychologist administering them to other, you know, other inmates when he was when he was incarcerated, but you know, it's it's one of these things again, you look at the guy he he wouldn't be where he was had not been for all this this early childhood stuff and with the with the mother, but yet camera Britain played quite a row, and they show a tape recorder there too. You know? We well. We had it initially like I said a before. But now you have to give your undivided attention. Again. It really know the case sure inside and out, and and he tried to use most offenders he tried to dominate you. During the interview he had no trouble for physical size that dominate at Kemper. No problem. Charles Manson, a problem. I'm six two he's five to I knew he was going to want to get up on top of something. So I make sure there was furniture available. So he could get on top of the furniture dominate me. Look down at need lecture chimps chimpanzees. Yeah. I knew that even Richard speck who killed seven nursing. When I interviewed interviewed him and he's big big ugly, ugly guy when I did the he was just violent screen screaming and yelling at as his counsel on the show me pornography in his jail cell. And and he was held back in a cage waiting for me to go in his cage within to the end of you and whisper to the counselor, and what's really truly intimidate in. Got the may be intimidated. But it's the environment that you're in in prison in his where he was broken glass birds flying in and out of inmates. Get too close to the cells will throw urine feces on you. And so I'm walking by to sell, and I tell I tell us council forget about let's just walk pass and get back to get back to the cage. And when I got back to the cage he was cursing me up and down. So what I did. I totally ignored him. I nor I turn my back to him. He sat up on top of just like the smaller guys. But he was big. And I just turned to the the counselor as if he's not even there. I said, you know, the thing is I don't know what you know, what he needs for breakfast, Richard. I said, I don't know how in the heck he was able to have sex with seventies women. And I knew this that was in the seventies women and the county. Yeah. And then he chimes in in back of us. I didn't use all the street term. Sex and I didn't. And I said, no, you just did the one the one on the couch. Right. You just did that one. Yeah. And it just kind of opened opened things up, but the the real life the real life was more intimidating and stressful than what sometimes what you what you see on television. And it's just that overall the overall environment. You can't trust anybody. It can't even sometimes trust corrections. Because they're in there. They're trying to survive a day today. And they don't want to be the bad guy. They wanna be the good guys. That's why you can't tip. Anyone off you come in? Because it's going to get into the yard that is agents coming and so Manson, he said, hey, you gotta give me something. I what what do you mean? I gotta give I gotta go back to you. I gotta show that I ripped off. I want I want no sunglasses with these array bands. He's a nice glasses. I I need to go back sometime. Okay. So you keeping the Ray pans. He goes back in. Into the show. Yeah. These guys I didn't give them anything. I am still wouldn't even looking so interesting just the the techniques survival under those compressed conditions the, but even so that brings me back to something that I remember interview, I wrote this. True crime book about a murder in my family. And it was an I interviewed people that had experienced with the narcissist. Sociopaths the difference. You know, right that I'm not telling you anything or no. But for you know, that narcissism is pretty garden variety. But the the socio put the Dr schism is when it of gets weaponized a little bit. And and when an in this case. When I was talking to people about that. It was pretty clear that that what the the narcissist sociopath is in their minds as they are the center of the merry go round and all the rest of us are in their world. And that's why they feel like they have this right to decide who lives and dies. And why they the the total lack of empathy. It's all a big experiment for them to try to figure out this world that they're in control of. And that's the so, yeah, I'm hearing the echoes of that and everything you're saying. And then what you start to get. I want to hear about the study in. I know where you're going with that study that they did I'm going to be over in England through a presentation and the eighth of June. So so this is a study having to do with the narcissistic socio. Yeah. Like, a murder is probably to reach the give you the thumbnail. So no credit. So Belinda board Katharina Fritz in university. Surrey two thousand five they set out to find out what made business leaders tick. Right. It was very innocent pursuit originally. And they wanted to know like the key facets of personality. You know, what what what what made some people motivated to get to the top and others were perfectly happy making a decent living in the middle. But they didn't really have to you know, they didn't have to be the alpha and their analysis revealed during the psychological profiling that and I'm quoting here there that a number of psychopathic attributes were actually more common business leaders that in so-called disturbed criminals, actor beauts such as superficial charm goes back to something we talked about ready, egocentricity, persuasiveness, lack of empathy. Theory independence, focus, and that the main difference between the groups was in the more antisocial aspects of the syndrome, the criminals lawbreaking, physical aggression and impulsively, you know, dials were cranked up higher than so that was the difference as difference between the CEO. So where are you with that? Yeah. Well, I'm about fifty miles from Washington DC there. Describe no, I agree. And I talk about I'll show pictures of Weinstein the Harvey Weinstein. Cosby Matt Lauer, you got many many others. And I said, you know, I started thinking about it. And I said when I'm dealing with violent offenders, violent offenders are are seeking the power they're seeking power and control and to get what they want here, you have people who have the power they've got the control already, and they saw the use it, you know, to get a potential victim. And so so it is it's very very it's very very similar when you when you start looking only some are killers type I deal with on a daily basis, and then the others are functional, but they they're right. They could be to see that could be, you know, have a, you know, like, I said the congress somewhere running our country. He just never. Well, that's interesting pieces that you hear people talk so empathetic because is is was explained to me. There's a guy named les Carter Dr Carter whose work in he deals in narcissism. In relationships. Right. And he writes a lot about teaching women to void being religious with nurses because it'll never get better. You know, he's very clear that this is. But what he said. And I think that narcissist learned the language of empathy, and they know how to going back to something. He's talked about last hour. They know what to say. And they know how they're in the coast kind of a lifelong study of how does a real person talk. How does somebody and how do you get by? And that's why you can see a CEO talking about oh every employee. We just love them so much, and they're like family to me just before they kill two thousand jobs, and they say that and I think they don't even they know what they're doing perhaps. But they also don't know what they're doing when they do it. They know what they're doing massive Nicolay, and they can read they can read people and basement profiling they're profiling themselves interesting and another so so that's that's a great study. You just you just brought up here. But I've seen that. When I like, I said when I go out, I'll show pictures of these different different CEO's, or whomever. They arrive different positions. They are holding in our country, and it's very similar characteristics. Only this group are killing this this group over here are are using that power and control to to manipulate manipulate others for their personal needs. There's something else. I learned that believe the reason why the person that killed my my relative was they they they did it in a burst. They they were cornered there. They were narcissist socio. Path, and they the they structured the world very carefully and everything that they said was to help maintain this image of themselves as the victim that everybody's out for them that they are truly this or that they're very misunderstood. And that they're the greatest at so many things, and why won't people give them the credit for being the greatest, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And when she broke up with him the night that that she broke off the engagement. He almost he like got very sullen and then he killed her..

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"john douglas" Discussed on KOA 850 AM

KOA 850 AM

02:32 min | 3 years ago

"john douglas" Discussed on KOA 850 AM

"On the hog when you get to New York little does he know maybe does know the next day, I'm going before the parole board. Sure gonna be presenting this stuff to the to the parole board. And when I do they're shocked. They're shocked at the nation. How how is able to get the information and to me who's very very simple. And Why's simple because I told him I said because you guys rely on self reporting. You you look at the crime scene photographs you don't look at the autopsy protocol autopsy photographs you don't know anything about the police investigation at all. So you really believe when this guy tells you that he doesn't get the urge anymore to kill you really believe that that he's telling you the truth, you really believe that because because he's they lie. I don't understand these people lie to you. And they'll test you to see whether or not you understand their case or no, no the case, and one of the things that McGowan would later do because parole board later told me is that he wrote to some woman somebody's crazy women that fall in love with these guys and said, you know, anything about this guy F B I, John Douglas, and I noticed during the envy, he didn't have any notes, and he wasn't taking those that have any papers. But he knew my case he knew my case backwards and forwards, and and that was that was something. Avowed with me over the years that that helped me to get information from out of these people and to develop this. Kind of Spain empathy concern for this the person who I'm talking to where we deep down. I'm kind of fighting myself thinking, oh my God. This guy this guy here. Anything should be executed. Here. His great, buddy. Well, that's so interesting that brings us to the bottom of the hour. And I don't wanna get to deepen to any of the story because I only have to stop. But this speaks directly to something that that you wrote and chapter ten again, the new book we're talking about with John Douglas the killer across the table. And this stuck with me because of something that always bugs me whenever we talk about the line between good and evil, and I'll get back to that the second. But here's the quote, he was talking about just saying thing interviewing these people who are killers. And he said the many times I faced off against killers who would have been just as happy to murder me as to talk to me have been among the most intense.

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"john douglas" Discussed on 600 WREC

600 WREC

12:01 min | 3 years ago

"john douglas" Discussed on 600 WREC

"Right by you, John Douglas and make sure that there's plenty of plugs for the new book the killer across the table because we could talk for two hours easily about anything ever done. And so I just wanna make sure we get that one in there put with. It's pleasure to talk with you. Thank you so much for giving us the time tonight. Oh, thank you. Thank you very much. And for the the in show. You got me down, Pat good. I hope so you deserve that. And it was interesting because the even your title the killer across the table evoked and rule and her famous book about Ted Bundy stranger beside me. Did you have chance to know any great? I knew what you just really started getting going and at conferences before she started to come in as prolific author. And she was choose a great woman. And yeah. What she would have been writing for the true crime magazines back when she was, you know, a mom raising. You know, I think it was four kids and and she had to make her own way. So she was selling articles to true detective in doing well with that. But it was interesting because you make many of the same not that you you're copping her in any way. But it's that you or that she copied you, but you come to a lot of the same conclusions as I'm I wrote this book about true crime in its role in our culture, and why we need it and what it replaced in in our Mindscape. And I think that you are work with true crime has been something that. Few few authors could ever make as much of a claim to that that you've been boots on the ground right there. Talking to the very people that other authors could only hope could only dream of getting a few minutes of you've spent a lot of time across the table with them. And in your book, you go through some cases that are equally fascinating to the better known cases. But aren't as well known, right? And plus I had the credentials the FBI credentials that could get into those into those prisons, which I if you don't have a lot more more difficult, and and when I went into the prisons, I didn't have to tell anyone in advance who I wanted to speak to the one interview. Manson I go into the prison, and they talked to the warden's wanna talk to Charles Manson, what about not really. I'm not gonna tell you exactly what the specifics are. I I would tell them then they would bring whoever I wanted to speak to out for the interview. And I would spend four five six hours within you know, at a at a time. But I did this I really out of survival. When I came back to the FBI kademi, I was only thirty two years of age. Crude it out of the air force twenty five years of age, which was very very young went back to the FBI then went onto Detroit. I've you mentioned in at the top of the hour where we're Bank robberies. I worked organized crime cases worked with the homicide. Detectives. Walkie, and then came back to the FBI and would audit. The the senior instructors. And the only trouble was the senior instructors they were telling war stories, but they had never really done any any research. So they'd be up in front of a class talking about for example, like at Kemper, and it'd be a guy in class who would say I worked the case man, you got your facts wrong. So I'm sitting in the back of the class auditing this instructor. I'm staying home. Good nece. I I cannot I maybe a young guy, but I got exceleron my learning. And so when we go out we call them Roach schools in those days for two weeks road schools interesting, and then we teach for say an LA for five days all spare time downtime. Let's go into a fan Clinton. Let's see if Manson we'll talk to us. Let's see, whomever. We'll speak to us. We didn't ask for any bureau petition because. Sure, they would've said, no. And he does when we did get caught doing this the bureau just like in the in the mind hunter series. They weren't too keen on this. Why you talking to these people? What's the purpose here? Our job is to investigate and lock them up. What the purpose is trying to understand the criminal personality is the UAE. Plus how equals who? Here when we have a case trying to figure out who here, we have people who are incarcerated we know who they are trying to find out the motivation. You know, why they did it victimology why they selected a particular victim? Why they did the things that they did to victim. What was the pre offense? Behavioral what was the post defense behavior? If they confess what was the circumstances. Stances surrounding the the interrogation that made this person volunteer and provide provide information to the to the police so doing that. And then teamed up doctor and Burgess from from Boston College who we developed this fifty seven page computerize instrument protocol that would cover every aspect of the case victim to the subject every you name it. But it'd be every piece of the of an investigation and unlike in the show where the the investigators go in and my character is trying my part goes in with tape recorder and notes, I would never do that. I never had a tape recorder. And I started off with one with that Kemper. And it was a mistake because they're extremely paranoid individuals. You know, what are you doing the tape recorder? Why are you taking notes? And so I in that. And then what I would. Do it was I was just memorized the case backwards and forwards memorize the protocol fifty seven pages some of which I could fill out before. I did the actual interview the rest I can fill out after the after the interview, and then conduct the interview. And it was it was just surprising. How open they began. They were with me. And it wasn't. And it wasn't interrogation. And they didn't teach this kind of stuff and and training in at law enforcement academies of the FBI because it was not an interrogation. It was not like an interview it was conversation. And they just as many questions for me as I had them. They want to know about the bureau, they want to know about you know, how I do the work that that, you know, I do and it started off we see maybe the first year. I received fifty cases fifty cases from police who had taken my classes at Quantico. And then it's. Started doubling and doubling every year every year after that. So by the time, I retired from the bureau. I was doing the thousand cases and had twelve agents working for me. And we were we just want many of us was just so burned out because of the volume of the work the nature of the work and many of us along the way got sick physically. Sick emotionally sick from this type of work in dealing not just with the subjects, but dealing with victims and surviving victims families who want answers who wanna know what happened to their daughter did what what was it life. When my daughter when she was being murdered. And they want you to describe they want you to describe to them everything that took place during the crime, which is gut wrenching. And and at first I said, I wanna do that. I don't want to and they get angry with with. And then Finally I had to open up and had to go through. You had to go through the the case with them and explain to them and everything about the, you know about the case. So it was really it was emotionally draining to do. I still do it you have to because at a time like that when we have been victimized. What people don't want? I think in this comes from more from not from my research and true crime. But because I I. Went to seminary, I'm ordained in the episcopal church. Right. Is that people at a time of crisis like that? They want facts they want truth. They want someone to say things to them that are not platitude. You know, they don't need to hear God needed. Another little bell arena in heaven. Right. They don't need that what they need is somebody to talk straight to them. And that's what they were demanding of you because you had the information, and they have the imagination and maybe their imaginations were worse than what it was that. You could tell them about what happened, and it helps them not just fixate on that. And go around in circles, right? In fact, in the in the current book killer across the table. There is a case in their Joseph McGowan. Child was was murdered by a schoolteacher who lived in the neighborhood. She was collecting money from the sale of girl scout cookies and the mother Rosemary del Andrew became very very close close with her and helped her inner fund, and she's changed the laws in New Jersey. Because the person who I would be going interviewing it was all set to get out of prison at the serving the maximum sentence of thirty years, and the the interview that I did I the parole board swarm in and and I was representing the parole board this on this particular day and went into this interview environment, I stage, the interview environment, I had very little lighting the room was dark room was cold. Very very little furniture in the room. Did want him in shackles guy? Six foot. He was six two. But. Strong got real strong since he's been incarcerated working out in the yard with the with the weights. And it was just fascinating. At some point. What you're trying to do is you try to take him back to that day thirty thirty years earlier and turn on that CD in his brain where I got him back. And now, let's see let's see if he has been so called rehabilitated. That's why I was there will be a threat to society if these released because he he's gonna get out unless someone thinks that he should stay in. And so I could his his interview and into the interview he just started looking off as I said, what was it like that day? It was it was Easter time. What was it? Like, why did you do the things that you did? And I try to ignore whereas like child or murder, and he was a schoolteacher. He got demoted in school in school job. He. He he was engaged engagement of was broken off. He was living with his mother in in the basement is by the way, work grandmother was upstairs. The school also teaches went away on on vacation did not invite him. And then all of a sudden he just looks at me any turns away, and he said when I heard the knock on the door, John I and looked up and saw her I knew I was going to kill her. And this is a little seven year old girl had and then what did you do Joe? And then he talks about how he lured down into the basement because he said he didn't have any money..

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"john douglas" Discussed on KNST AM 790

KNST AM 790

01:34 min | 3 years ago

"john douglas" Discussed on KNST AM 790

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"john douglas" Discussed on KNST AM 790

KNST AM 790

02:41 min | 3 years ago

"john douglas" Discussed on KNST AM 790

"Walked Browde. Welcome to the program. I am. I am fascinated by the the next guest that we have on John Douglas. He is the guy who wrote the New York Times bestseller minehunter. He is he's got a book out. Now, the killer across the table unlocking the secrets of serial killers and predators with the original minehunter. He's the guy who the been Netflix has the the TV show minehunter about which just shows him willing to go in and talk to these monsters in. Really frightening. Frightening ways. Did you watch minehunter? I didn't. I it sound my cue though to watch it. You know, I don't wanna be a spoiler on anything. So I won't go into details. But I would like to know if the last episode is accurate at all because it is Hera firing. Terrifying. I can't imagine sitting in these rooms where you're with pretty smart guys who are are good at manipulation, and they are mass murderers, and you're playing a mind game with them you're trying to convince them that you respect them. So they'll talk to you about why they did it. So you can understand the next guy you're going in and asking them for help on. Hey, this guy's doing this. What do you think of that? And it's this this tight rope that you're walking the whole time of of trying to get close to them. But staying away from them, and knowing that you're alone in that room your loan in that room, and they are close enough to kill you quickly. I mean, it is terrifying. What this guy did? And he took on everybody. Everybody said, no, no don't do that. Don't make excuses for me. He's like, I'm not making excuses, right? At that. He was trying to understand. Yeah. So he could stop the next one. And you know, it's interesting if we have the chance I wanna talk to him about how we're silencing people right now. You know, he says something really interesting that I will talk about you have to make the person you're talking to in your mind the expert because they are they are the expert at what they believe. And he said if you go in and you're looking down at them, you're not gonna learn anything, and they're not gonna share anything.

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"john douglas" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI

Newsradio 1200 WOAI

10:41 min | 3 years ago

"john douglas" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI

"John douglas. He is the author of the killer across the table. Also, the New York Times bestselling book mind hunter, he is the guy that really they they tell his story in mind hunter the Netflix series, which if you haven't seen it it is. So it's creepy. It is really creepy. But it is. So well worth your time to see what this guy had to do to be able to get us to a point where we are today, where we can at least have a profile of these people and understand them that was not wanted when he started and he has interviewed David Berkowitz, Ted Bundy, John Wayne gay, see Charlie Manson, all of them James Earl Ray sear on Sihran, Richard speck, you name it. He's been on the front line. And he has he has given the tips to the investigators to say look for these things, and it ends up every time that that's exactly. The you know, what what they what they find John Douglas joins us again, John. Let me I want. I want to change this subject. Just a a little bit. I was just reminded three minutes. Here's something else. Okay. We'll have you. We'll have you. We'll have you back. I'll be up in New York. I'll get on your podcast too. Your show here. Glad to we love to you know, I wanna have you back. I want to talk to you about the way you're treating people in in your book speaks volumes about how we should be treating people today. But I'll have you back because I think that's a long conversation. Can you just answer this question? What does what does the the fascination with serial killers say about us? You have a good reason to do it. But when we're watching these shows like Ted Bundy, there's no reason for me to watch that what does it say about us? I've done throughout my books. I've always mentioned it's why how equals will who? When I'm doing on sub case no subject as I'm trying to figure out who done it now. When I go into the prisons. I know who did the the crime. So it's it's that, you know, the why the motivation, and when I talked to groups speaking, these crime conferences, it's where the audience are women. They wanna know they wanna know how the same questions one to why what what what's the purpose? What's the motivation is sexual power anger retaliation? You know, what is so those kind of things that I dress in books and get me back on show. We'll go have stuff. John heavy back on. Thank you so much. I appreciate you bet. The killer across the table. That is that's fascinating. I can't wait for that podcast. Because that's going to be really interesting. I could talk to him. We'd probably have to do to podcast. I'll just have to record. I do three hours with them easy. I will say to your last questions really interesting because I have I watched the new Ted Bundy movie on Netflix haven't seen it front as the star, which my wife was curiously interested in this film, for some reason, why wasn't the scene where whereas Catherine shows his naked for three seconds wasn't. I've noticed Netflix queues paused at that point over. But it's a it was I really really good. And I also watch the Ted Bundy tapes, which is a fascinating story where journalist goes into to talk Ted Bundy who wanted with these crimes and eventually one of these kinda gets him to admit the crimes to say just like John was talking about he treated him as an expert. He said, hey, if these killings did happen. I know you didn't do. But if he's killing hit happen. How would the killer of done it? And he goes in explains exactly how. All these things Bill on. And he explains the crimes and the only way he would know these crimes of courses, if he did them in a way, you know, he wanted to tell him that he did the crime, but he didn't want to admit it against more legal trouble. But that is I really enjoyed watching those things I joined the true crime stuff. I like those shows, and there's a part of does that actually understand what it says about your why because I'm just watching it for entertainment. I'm not looking to the next found. And maybe this is just me. And it's weird. I've I've started watching a lot of stuff from the BBC because I think they're ahead of us in many ways their shows tend to be really really good. They're not like upstairs downstairs anymore. But I I've watched a lot of their crime stuff, for instance, killing eve is fantastic. And really weird. Just like you'd like it. If you like the Ted Bundy stuff like this, but it's fiction. So it makes it removes it one step. Okay. And then what I've found is. I don't like watching like, I've never watched any of the what is it the NC s is I've never I've never seen any of those not once have had no desire, but I will watch crime shows from the BBC, and I think it's because it's not my society. It's another escapist it's another country. So I'm not relating to it. It's it's not something that I'm worried about here. And so I can watch it more as entertainment does that make sense. Yeah. No it does. It's been really shocking because I've been watching the shows which I really enjoy and I would never watch them on American television. I they'll come up on my Netflix, you should watch this. And I'm like never like fascinated by his law and order SVU. And it's like this is I was in my head of someone in the hospital. I was at the hospital for several days as they were very ill. And so I was in the waiting room and during the day when normally I would be here working, and I'm on I had the TV was on like, I think USA or one of these networks where all day, they're showing episodes of law and order SVU, which I've heard of but never watched. I love law and order. I've watched it a million times. But I never really watched Lauder view before. And then I just realized this is just a very popular show where every episode woman gets raped on camera like the entire show SVU just means a bunch of rapes that is it's law and order of budget rapes series and every series his legitimately starts where some terrible thing happens to some woman, and they tried to solve the. Time and throughout the time. They explain to you all these awful awful details about it. And I'm like how people watching this. I mean, it's well done. And of course, had that drama of trying to figure out who it is. And law orders great at that. But I mean, this is a series. That's been like the top ten shows in America for how long and it's just a collection of sexual assaults. That is what it is the entire special victims unit is six crimes unit. Holy crap. Man, that's dark, and you watch these things because I like watching documentaries, especially I'm less interested in fiction I like watching nonfiction. And so watching his documentary. You can always learn something and take something out. We will bring a lot of that stuff to you on the show because there's always something interesting in there. But there is that weird facination at America has with serial killers in particular. I think. I can't speak for you know, the non western world. But I think it leased the western world has that same facination. With serial killers serial killers and with with gruesome crimes, and while there's something about this. And it ties directly to the school shooting problem as well. Which is we make these people into celebrities certainly has nothing to do with what John did he was doing real FBI work and important work to make sure that these things didn't happen again. But we we've come to the point where we turn these people into celebrities. I know we've taken steps here at the blaze not related serial killing killing his less, less popular. Let's than it used to be. But the mass shooting issue, we don't tell you any names anymore. I can't remember the last time you heard one of their names on the show. I mean, you're going back before. Yeah. I remember it's been a couple years, and we didn't officially institute the policy until somebody lied until Vegas after Vegas. But I mean, it's goes back a long time for us because we've seen the research we've seen that the copycat thing is a big issue and anything you can do to not make these people get their level of fame who is the person responsible for the last couple of shootings. Do you have any idea? What's that is the name of top of my head of the? Of the heroes of the people who went and stop them. We actually have some stuff coming up on them in the next week or so we've planned potential potentially do some of that because we seen this recently sort of new trend in these crimes where you know. It's been sad. In some cases, some cases it has been great in that people with guns people with other weapons have chased people away from these mass shootings. We've seen the last two things that have happened where unfortunately the person who did it losing their life. But stop the mass shooting went from who could have been twenty thirty people dead to one look we wanted to zero. Obviously, we wanna these things to go away, and they're heroes. But that's he roic, and it's also the type of thing that actually wants ending these trends, if you think about hijacking for second we went through multiple decades where anybody who got on a plane with the right weapon or took over the cockpit could fly that plane to Cuba. Right. You could fly the plane to wherever you wanted. That's basically what happened in all those cases. And it wasn't until nine eleven where you know, where you have the people stepping up on on the flight in Pennsylvania where they rush the key. The cabin. And they are able to to stop that. Now. No one gets away with that. If you go and try to know what's gonna try to hijack a plane because they know what end how it ends. It ends with you being tackled and subdued. I mean, it might wind up killing everybody on the plane because no one can flight it's possible. But with these steps they've taken it's unlikely and at some point when you take out the incentive of fame from the mass shooter, and you take out the idea you're going to have some big score. You're gonna be able to outscore all the other people because. Yeah, you might get somebody, but they're gonna wind up getting tackled pretty fast and this goes away. This is a sort of thing that de-escalate s- a rising trend in particular crime. And I'm hoping that that is the beginning of this. I think a lot of we're not the only ones I know daily wire, for example, has also taken the same step now, they won't mention them. And I think a lot of conservative outlets. Do it. I'd like to see a New York Times or CNN or an MSNBC or some big mainstream organization step to the plate and say we've seen this research. We see how many of these people are searching for fame and notoriety, and we're no. Longer gonna give it to them. They still keep doing it. I think there's also there's also something else happening and it happened last night at the Colorado vigil for the the last shooting, and that is the people are tired of being used for political purposes. We're going gonna get into that here. When we come back. Let me just pause for a second. I'll tell you about ZipRecruiter unemployment now is at historic lows three point six, I do not recall ever in my life. Well, it was its lowest since nineteen sixty nine.

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"john douglas" Discussed on KTOK

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"john douglas" Discussed on KTOK

"John Douglas, the original mind hunter is on with us now. Hello, john. How are you, sir? Very well. Thanks. It's an honor to talk to you. I remember what I in some way what you went through. When you first started talking to people because I remember my grandfather saying these guys are just talking to them. They're going to make excuses. I don't care what happened to them in their life, but he did the crime, and that was the prevalent theory when you started interviewing these mass murderers, correct at the FBI much what's happening on the series the mine onto series on Netflix. The question was why doing what are you doing? You shouldn't be going into prisoners doing these interviews. Well at a time, I was thirty two years old. I came back to Quantico after working seven years and feel that was a very young agent when I was recruited. I just got the military for years a couple of degrees and came back and which sitting back into classroom now I had to audit the senior instruction instructors. And these senior instructors just didn't have their facts. Right. And how do I know that because they were police officers in the classroom that were challenging the instructors say, look, I worked the mass in case, you got you all screwed up. So here I am now thirty two years old, and I gotta get up in front of senior investigators from throughout the world and and FBI agents at some point. And what can I do to celebrate my learning? So in the old days, we had we call roads schools, you go out and maybe keeping in. San Diego later on Boise, Idaho. Let's go into these prisons asked my partner. Let's see Manson will talk to us. Let's see if David Burke, which the son of Sam our hands her hand. And so it was a crazy idea. But when into the prisons just unannounced, which was kind of good when you an agent just show, you credit, you can go in and you don't have to tell anybody why you want to speak to these people and to our surprise. They were very very very very forthcoming very very interested in speaking with me, but we made mistakes early on in the when we first started doing the NFL news would go in there with notes go in there with a tape recorder. And that was a turn a turnoff in them. Why? Because they they're paranoid. Individuals should be paranoid. You're incarcerated with violent offenders. They don't trust corrections. They certainly not going to trust the FBI. So what I began to do as we. We went along and teamed up with Dr amber, just Boston College and developed a computerized instrument for interviews, which I would never sell out during the interview process would be before. And after the, you know, the end of you, and then started to document this this material and and began to get some really fantastic information from them regarding victim selection. Pre offense behavior post defense behavior. I started thinking what can I do creative creativity to create a situation where I may cause David Burke was for example to go to the gravesite of his victims or to inject himself into the police investigation. Well, the bureau stood afar, they were they were really against this. You know, what the hell you do this kind of this kind of work, and and they were really the last ones to embrace the my own agency. They're waiting for me. I think the screw up and then it send me to Butte Montana. So so, you know, they were the last ones to embrace it. And then when I got really some national some international publicity doing so many cases. But then when I hit the Atlanta Atlanta killings was very controversial. I was censured by the bureau when I publicly said the killer would be a black. Fender would not be white in that particular case, historically, we had a lot of white serial killers leading up to to that time. And when they finally they arrested Wayne b Williams in the case, then I got involved in cross examination strategies coaching the prosecutor, and how to how to go after him on the stand, and again, it was very very very very young. But now as young young agent, and when I now get in front of a group a cop senior cop senior agents, you know, it's you're like deal show when. If I speaks everyone listens. Started started listening along the way it it's it's stressful and it's stressful. Let me ask you this on the on the on the stress part of it. First of all, I don't wanna give any spoilers for anybody who hasn't seen this series on Netflix. But is that last episode did that at all anything like that? Did you go through that is actually it's worse. It's worse than the L. My gosh. Because it was that's to take away that didn't happen like that. But I I I was trying to New York City to nineteen Eighty-three, and it was around see around October November. And while while on stage training several hundred police from from Nassau County Suffolk all around Manhattan. I'm sorry. I came back on the Yorkshire ripper. I I have to go up to Alaska where a guy believe is hunting down women. He's he's abducting women. Stripping down naked as he takes his airplane flies them up into the wilderness and hunts down the green river the green river killer, and she of Washington so I had to attack while on stage. And and I know my material so well that by mouth is talking. But my brain is elsewhere and feel like I'm having a heart attack. I'm I I'm perspiring I'm saying to myself Douglas man, you got to regroup. You gotta come come out of this refocus focus, and so I got through it. I don't think anyone ever said anything, no one ever detected. But by the time, I got back to Quantico I felt that thirty eight years of age, I'm gonna have a heart attack. I'm gonna I'm gonna have cancer. Something's going to happen to me. So I got all this income protection insurance. It's time to go out on the green verdict. Seattle washington. I have tremendous headaches. I train to younger agents now assigned to my program and the long and short out there. What happened was is before I went I went to before the task force come back to my hotel room. Tell the agents I feel like I'm getting a flu and that night I collapsed in my hotel room floor. I they kick down the door three days later because they have not disturb sign on the door. And they find me frog like position my brain had split in the right temporal lobe from one hundred seventy three body temperature heartbeats to twenty and coma and remain in a coma for a week come out of the coma. Paralyze all on the left side. Can't can't speak before. I came out in a coma. They're planning on veteran planning to bury me at the veteran veteran cemetery and the doctors later on came back. They flew me back after a month in a hospital. Back to where I live in Virginia want to various doctors went to psychologist psychologist testing Johnson. Man. I you got environ- Steph elitest brought on your new system is so. Came very close to dying. Plus, you have complications of blood clots nearly killed you and he says, but the really suffering post traumatic stress disorder that we some some of the things we see in our veterans coming back, but you're experiencing the same kind of thing. The same thing here dealing with death and violence and dealing with the victims of these violent crimes that break, your heart. When you have to deal with them. A victim mother tells you John you have to tell me how my daughter was killed. My daughter fight and on and on and it really is emotionally exhausting. So did you did you because in watching you? And in reading these books that you've you've written. You least I am. I I think that toll on you on sitting. You know, and and and intentionally making them feel superior to you by adjusting the chair. So they're higher than you are doing all these things and befriending them. It just seems like there is a you're paying a price in your soul to be able to get this information. Well, yeah, getting sampling if you Richard speck, he'll seven nurses in in the Chicago area. And and and he was extremely violent. If they holding him in a cage, and they wanted me to show show me his cell, I in his productivity, and and Selva, meanwhile, screaming and yelling like crazy. And finally got back in his cage with him. I was with his counselor. I decide to totally ignore him and turn my back to him and had a conversation with his counselor. And I I had to use I use street language and talking to. Counselor about the crimes that he committed, you know, kind of filthy kind of language, but the kind of language that Richard speck can identify with. And I said something to affect that. You know, suicide. I don't know what this guy eats for breakfast. But man, I said he he raped seven seven women I understand, and I knew he didn't do that. So he behind and he's he's sitting up on top of occurred. As it. I'm six foot two six two as well. They still wants to dominate over Ming, and you let him do it. And he says, I didn't I didn't using street terms. What he did to those girls. I know I was just the the one on the couch. Crazy man, you got to be in here. Just like us, and I'm really not just like him. But I have to show this this false sense, of empathy. And I'd be lying to you Glenn. If I tell you at the end of the day when I come back to my own family, and at the time, and then a young children, you know, that have and that you may have flashbacks being with your wife when and and thinking, so, ma'am. Type of thing, and you may want to be doing. But now you're thinking about some horrific case that your your work. It's really stainless your health. Tell her that on date night. What I'm thinking about right now. John I'm gonna take a quick break for about a minute. And then we're gonna come back and continue our conversation. But I just have to thank you for what you've endured as a as a human being for all of our sakes. You know, you you put up with both sides the law and the devil, and and took a lot of grief in and thank you for for standing and doing that back in just one more minute. John Douglas, the killer across the table. He is the original minehunter. If you've seen the Netflix show. This is the guy mother's age a few days away. 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