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"john douglas" Discussed on True Crime Garage
"Be a part of your holidays colonel. Do we have recommended reading this week. We have a lot to recommend today first off the true crime garage. Every single episode archive is available for your listening pleasure when you download the free stitcher listening app on your device. That's right over. Four hundred and forty episodes to listen to for free including the last time mr john. Douglas was on the show back in may of two thousand and nineteen in the john. Douglas mind hunter episode number three. Oh to also we will be recommending a batch of john douglas's books. We recommended the killer's shadow last week. And you heard us reference in our discussion this week. Some of his other great books including the cases that haunt us law and disorder and the killer of the.
"john douglas" Discussed on True Crime Garage
"Emphasis on 'cause resources on domestic domestic terrorism. So it's you. It's not over heels. They'll be others other cases on which You know hopefully we can what we can rely on information from the public when they see someone who's becoming obsessed with with hatred and antisemitic anti everything or african americans and it's becoming obsessed with weapons and other maybe weapons of destruction Law enforcement can't be everywhere at every time so they rely on public information from anonymous sources. That that's what they need to follow up leads to see if this person you know if they can will carry out a You know this is a violent act. Kind of like a school shooter. I mean you have certain indicators but you can't always predict for hundred percent you can interact interest intercede it and Take some action family or and give this person counseling or whatever but it's very very difficult very difficult for law enforcement so they so that's what they'll see in this book they'll see the evolution of him. How and kind of like the the Sonny bono in share the beat goes on and the beat goes on. They'll it'll be more. Unfortunately they'll be more probably a cases like this in the future. mr douglas. thank you again for your time today and for doing the interview. You've been more than generous with us here in the garage. Actually have me about and we're working on another one for next year next year. we'll be doing one. They want us to do. Like kinda like an an rule thing like one case that case. I've worked or maybe case to take a look at you know a new case Investigate trying to come up with a solution or so. How many back. As soon as you're done with this next book we'd love to have you back. Thank you so much enjoyed. Keep up the good work. Thank you mr douglas for joining us in the garage. Rob thank you so much for joining us here in the garage. Let him to be a part of your week us..
"john douglas" Discussed on True Crime Garage
"Secret service was When he wasn't identified yet was was trying to figure out. You know who done it. So what i said was with him that the long and short of it is i came up in the suspect predicted where he would go in the in the country and that would be now now that he's a fugitive. He's a top ten Yeah he committed these crimes all around these other areas. But he's gonna be homing pigeon now. He's going back to mobile. It's going back to mobile and to florida. He may not be robbing banks. Because we'll have a lot of these banks be notified staked out and But the teletype then was teletype s- Was an internet. Tell teletype goes out. He's spotted in mobile alabama agent. Charge of the office calls me and wants to know the name of the bank or savings alone. I think this guy is going to be robbing. I said watch i. i can't. I don't know i didn't even know city was in. I i tell you what cities and so he was there. spotted him surveillance cameron blood bank and then they Passed out flyers on through all these different blood banks and in the deep south out in florida. And that's where he would be. You'd be spotted in a blood bank so Got him their coach deal. They'll say they'll coach the the agent on the interview a little bit But then i got to interview him Later on in the late eighties ninety ninety ish with with Secret service agent. You would have thought nick secret. Service would have had a behavioral science unit Over the years they did not have a unit like we they. They had not done research like we were doing with violent crimes At all and so. I did a couple of cases. Four secret service over the years that turned out pretty and so then they sent down a guy. Great great guy passed away Ken baker secret service and and we conducted some research on assassin interview. Squeaky fromm who shot four sara. Jane moore shot forward or at the bremmer. Who shot george wallace. James earl ray schalk. Dr martin luther luther king and other assassination style of killings. And that's why we interviewed frankly because he had fascination style of killing and The problem is is that and we come up with this killer. Shadows that to this day. He still casts a shadow along shadow Because there are others like amount. There is nice executed two thousand and thirteen but There are others who that law enforcement come across now and then who Are emulating people. You know like him who who are being influenced today not so much like the old days where would be in some some hall room. We're meeting or somebody someone's basement. Now it's on the internet where you can have Have hundreds and hundreds of sites these Racist sites antisemitic sites. Where where someone can gravitate to that and not everyone will go out and perpetrate acts of violence. But but someone may in someone will. We'll see that and and take action like a you know like this joseph paul franklin character. So it's and so it's much more difficult today to investigate them. In the old days you had an organization now you have you have someone who could be influencing others. But it's not they're not tied into there's no hierarchy. There's no leader and soldiers. You know that candidates organized crime. Even you don't have you know. Have anything like that. So it makes it extremely difficult for law enforcement and law enforcement. Resources are very skimpy particularly after nine. Eleven emphasis was on Was on international terrorism the d..
"john douglas" Discussed on True Crime Garage
"The assessment is is that the the latest thing with franklin is is that he's linked to over twenty homicides. He traveled he's he's prolific bankrobber unlike serial killers a particular comfort zone for the crimes. This guy is all over the place. He's all over the map He's a bomber some of those cases embalming He is a bank bank robber prolific. Bank robber He is a turns out to be an excellent shot with a rifle In in in fact you actually shot with only one. I because when he as a youth he lost the side of is In his right high in an accident people say it's said it was a bicycle now isn't a bicycle accident. It was a shade and all window shade with a spring inside things. Playing with his brother in the spring came out. pop them right in the eye. Mother took him to the hospital. A mother who extremely abusive to him a father extremely again very abusive him and his brothers and sisters mother takes him to the hospital. The doctor says can't do anything right now. Is this temporary but bringing back a couple of months we'll do. Some surgery will make as good as new. She doesn't do that. She doesn't take them back as a young child to the hospital. The ends up losing his sight and even A way to overcompensate. The loss was site is to be an excellent shot. He wanted to be a police officer to another one and said oh another guy who wants to be an officer and When when he hurts to a neighbor who was a police officer that he couldn't join because of the loss of a one i he extremely angry and bitter towards towards his mother hated paid his mother and his father. That's why he would he would. He would change his name to joseph. His name was james. Von would change his name to joseph paul paul franklin and then He then was gravitated to these Take aka a different. These radical hate groups american nazi party passing out literature. Today he would have a field day with the internet access But then what he realized was because he was paranoid that these organizations were pretty much Infiltrated by fbi. Fbi informants keeping tabs on them on these organizations back there back then and they were primarily talking the talk but not walking the walk and he got became frustrated and decided go out on his own and and the so-called birth of the the lone wolf lone wolf Criminal and it just started by paling. Interracial couples i and it was up in maryland. He makes them. But then that was after the nasc- then i that was the last time it used as from then on in he would It would shock using various firearms. He he shot Larry flint the of a slip Hustle magazine he shot. He shot him he shot vernon jordan Civil rights leader At at the time he wrote a threatening letter to to jimmy carter..
"john douglas" Discussed on True Crime Garage
"Do you think we will ever know who killed jonbenet. I hope so. I mean i don't hear things of yeah if they brought. I had some good suspect. They had one good suspect there. They had several. I mean The place was full of a sex offender all around the areas. Where we're patsy john. We're living there but then there was one guy who who committed suicide He had access to stun gun. See the police. Discount that slew smit when over. The stun gun showed me. They did test with a medical doctor on pigs Using a stun gun showing the mocked similarities. Here i mean hopefully you know. Dna familial dna or something. We'll you know we'll solve that that case one day but i don't know if they're they're working and i hear once in a while here like a new attorney general come in we're gonna take a new look at the case of the the a prosecutor wants to take a look at the case but you know hopefully i mean It can look at the golden state case. I mean after all these years. I mean we worked at case the you know i just worked i worked one was the east area rapist. Rapes that that he was he was doing and We didn't wasn't responsible. Just dna dna got him was after so many years. I police officer was responsible. We're all very excited for the release of your new book. The killer's shadow the fbi's hunt for a white supremacist serial killer. Can you tell us a little bit about your latest book. This is a different kind of serial killer and it was a case that The first case that the bureau would give me only because they've of supervisor on the civil rights division Squad up at headquarters knew we knew each other from milwaukee division around the same swat team together and i. He knew i was doing this. Research on serial murders and going into prisons and he calls me. see if i could be Be of help so this would be different nick. This would not be a profile so much as it would be an assessment So you got to kind of do your l. show years ago is called. This is your life you know and And they would do his background of a puddle background guy so i would go up to headquarters and And there was a lot of pressure because my screw this thing. I'm just starting to get going here. And now that not. Everyone is supportive within the organization of me doing any of this. This research They just don't understand. You know what the purpose of it is even though we're helping local police on the later international police departments here so so.
"john douglas" Discussed on True Crime Garage
"Experts and they and they come up with this theory more than a theory but at keke station at that that Burke ramsey is responsible for the The death i i was i was watching that. I'm thinking holy mackerel. You can't say something like that. I mean he burke is he's gonna say where he lives by. I come across him over the years. I mean he. He did not hit his sister accidentally. Or whatever On on purpose in fact if if the parents knew that they never would've allowed him to talk to the police alone without even the parents the parents in the presence of burke So that's another one of these cases where you know they. They what they did what they did. Nick is and you see. Sometimes on cases you let let a theory driving investigation and they let certain evidence that supports the theory in and they disallow some evidence. That doesn't fit the theory out. You know so. So they let nuts theory you know. Drive it and not being driven by evidence of any kind of forensic evidence whenever I witnessed testimony letting letting us theory And you know why because too because you had you didn't have a homicide investigative work in that case you have a drug investigator Working in our connex officer working in case and because they have so few cases they rotate them out. There in boulder and so the mindset of narcotics officer is different than a homicide officer. I'm not connex. Officer knows comes knows. You're dealing knows that you i know it's you i'm gonna make a case on you i'm gonna make you know on your. I'm going to build a case all around you and former whatever we're gonna get you well you get that mindset in a homicide case i know you did. I know the certain behavior patsy. When they brought the child up a passy was their fingers splayed. Across a face peeking through your eyes and all that other a nonsense stuff. No you let you..
"john douglas" Discussed on True Crime Garage
"Everything's contaminated And trying to bring her back to life rubbing her body that's an rigor and A little bruce on her on her forehead so she has a bruise on our head. They should she has been garage the garage. She's been garage. Added piece of the paintbrushes used to to a handle to garage hard with rope at in this nylon rope that they never found where this real was the ramseys in having in finding other pieces of it They find a wood fibers from From a from the same paintbrush and their vaginal vaginal area choose been penetrated with the believe. Now with with that stick. That's how that that You know got there When they they start the autopsy and they remove the skull or the skin on the skull Surprisingly they find that the skull has been cracked open like a like a coconut like eight and a half inches in length. But why is there just a little red slight red mark on far head and my gosh to break his skull. you'd think it'd be kind of dima. It'd be swelling and blood and Well it's wise because the she was dead or on her last breath when when the person responsible wasn't satisfied enough with with the With with the death itself so he he does her in with wasn't necessary for the the kill she's already dead from from the The garage And so And then the letter the other thing is the letter. Correct the famous two and a half page letter and the fbi was against me. Have police hated me around the country. And you never saw two and a half page letter and yeah that's right. They're right about that however when with the letter have been written. It's the question you mean to tell me that after the the rain tell me the ramseys have been murdered. Now you're going to write a two and a half page letter The threatening letter asking for money and the money is coincides. Roughly to what a bonus that john ramsey have your in into this letter different different verses that are coming right out of movies at of movies like ransom and You have the presence of mind to you know to do something like that after after the crime. No yeah. so you're you're not. You're not gonna have the that kind of presence of mind so i just saw so many different different things and you know the bureau angry you know like i i may be. I like when i saw alex hunter talking before the public. We know you're out there we're going to be is more than one of you i. I knew that he was coached by without anyone telling me i mean i invented the stuff that he was being told by by the agents of of what to say. But i'm not telling the i'm not so telling the the the defense what they're doing here. What the what tactics. I'm not doing it. I would have loved to have been you know. Been able to solve that case if it was then just come up and get a confession out of him but that was not that was not the case and and there was a broken man. i. I'd met john several times And a broken. A broken man Patsy ramsey's stage. She was in remission. Cancer returned she dies. Everyone was waiting for a dying declaration. There was no dying declaration. She didn't kill her. Kill her daughter. John honest since remarried. Cbs comes out with a a tv..
"john douglas" Discussed on True Crime Garage
"We're able to track down years earlier How he broke into a house a neighbor's house and She was taking a shower and he tried to. Molester tried to molasses woman. He thought that record was purged and it wasn't available and so we had that he also shot his brother his brother in law and he was also extremely violent to his to his children. His son and his young son and daughter in to his to his His wife his his wife is a believer that the that he is responsible for that crime. But no one's really doing no one's really working it As far as they're concerned child they don't have to pay it off to pay any money to to Damon echols and jesse and jason baldwin. Any state money Because they had the played the all hell for plea and to this day there. They're sex offenders. These these three. I did a presentation with amanda knox and jesse miskelly about a year and a half ago up in up in new york and you could say we just took a chunk out of their lives. It's like they're it's like they're they're behind developmentally emotionally because of the time that they spent a period of time in our lives in in prison particularly Damon and and it was the saints with amanda the same same thing speaking of interviewing parents of victims and also parents that may be considered suspects. You were directly involved in the still unsolved homicide of six year old jon benet ramsey for those who are yet to read the cases. That haunt us. Can you explain how you became involved in the case. Yeah i was in I happened to be in utah at the time. Speak in a university when i got a call from investigative. Who's working on defense team. I didn't know who he was and Asked me if i would like to participate in In the investigation. And i and i told a colleague of mine have used to work in the unit i accepted and and i said this family is guilty in the back of my mind. I'm thinking you know they're guilty. Because what i was reading in the paper is what was being presented on on television. So i i go over and meet the the attorneys in denver in an old mansion. They have as a as an office and inside of what would be the living room. This is a closed encasement of a fiberglass room within the room and go in there some thinking back my mind and what are these guys going to do because like offer me money or something. I'm gonna pay me. I'll give them a rash of crap. Man walk right out on them but i got in there and and i sat down and they said john..
"john douglas" Discussed on True Crime Garage
"Welcome to true crime garage wherever you are whatever you were doing. Thanks for listening. I'm your host. Nick and i say turkey for the girls and turkey for the boys. And here's a guy who's favorite kind of pants corduroys. Here's the captain. I really did like corduroy pants and high school. It's good to be seen as good to see you. Thanks for listening. Thanks tana friend you know what would be great with thanksgiving dinner. A little shot of whiskey with a refreshing lemonade shanty chaser. That's right baby today. We are still sipping on shady spot by our good friends over susquehanna brewing company. Ab four point five percent garage. Great four and a quarter bottle caps out of five. And let's start off with a big huge thank you to porsche and parts. Unknown big cheers to a mala in boise idaho. Next we have a nice contribution to this week's beer fund from frank and estelle cat stanza from del boca vista retirement community and las angeles cat. Stanza can't stand. And the big sal to allison and lead would new jersey. And here's a double cheers to jen. And m j at center caps direct. They are out in naqa. Nowhere which i believe is just one county from parts unknown so cheers to jen an mj and cheers to trigger it to this week's garage fridge. Fill up biran. Thank you guys so much for supporting the show this year. Big things happening as this is our last show. Big things are happening. Because we're we're quitting now just joking. Big things happening and two thousand and twenty one. And i hope two thousand and i hope everybody made it through two thousand and twenty and that is enough of the business all right. Everybody gather around. Grab a chair. Grab a beer. Let's talk some true crime. We're continuing our discussion with john. Douglas retired fbi special agent. John douglas you know him from the behavioral science unit. You may know him from the wonderful show. Mind hunter picking up where we left off. We were discussing one of my favorite books law and disorder and in particular the west memphis. Three case mr douglas. Will you met mark buyers. There was a dramatic contrast to your meeting with terry hobbs. At first mark byers was put in not very welcoming to your conversation but he very quickly warmed up to you and then became very much an open book whereas terry put on the facade of being welcoming and interested in talking to you however as the conversation went along he became aggressive and became dodgy to your questions pay. Yeah he's very much word got out that he wanted to get. Have somebody Get rid of me. and Contract i me i mean killed but buyers you're exactly right. I when i sat on that porch. His hottest heck down there sweating and and he got angry as hell and his wife was there. and Initially started talking on the porch like an hour or so then. Finally i was invited into the house. And i spent hours on hours. You know you know. Within just assessing him and i mean i mean he's not the most stable person at that certainly but he's he didn't kill he didn't kill his. You know his his child a different feel to that. Have when i spoke when i spoke to terry And Initially spoke with matt a shopping center. I'm trying to gain trust. And then when i started gaining information on him and he got really pissed off at me when i.
"john douglas" Discussed on True Crime Garage
"Mr douglas. You referenced bt k. Dennis rader. I was talking about the zodiac attack at lake. Barry esa do you think that there's a high probability a good chance that dennis rader learned that technique by reading about the zodiac killer. Yes because it's like i said he was. He was in criminal justice. In fact the initial analysis we did. We did one seventy nine. And we're we're just getting going really but then we did a really good one in eighty four with a group of us and We we wanted to focus. We tell the focus is over if you have a criminal justice university nearby and sure enough. It was wichita. In retrospect he went to which is wichita I mean they will. They follow del. Read books and things like that. People will always ask nick to question like well. Can they learn from from your books becomes like a manual and Not not really because what because you should be able to read. You can see when things are done. That the patterns just don't don't always fit that they the killer may do something to the victim that gives himself away and maybe the way. The body is disposed of their parents killing their child and You know and maybe read a book you know to. Okay what make sure you don't let somebody else find the victim. Don't be the one to find the victim of some read. Some case like that But in a case like that when we say when we found the victim we see things were done to the victim but the victim was buried. I'm thinking of a case. I'm telling you this is buried in the back of house and the The there's plastic bag over the face a part of the body To protect it from really from From the elements protected from insects and Dirt it's something that You know that's someone close to the victim would have done it so we're not looking for a stranger stranger murder so so you should be able to use to be able to pick up if someone 'cause is following a case We had we had a case of a a. This is years ago was roy. Hazell who sends passed away. He's real good. He did a lot in area of rape and the woman Got would get these. Upstate seen calls. And she got a whistle and she blew the whistle into the phone and she would be murdered and a whistle would be found. It'd be thrown on her body also a magazine magazine. This guy just so happen to have. The killer had a women using that technique. I enough seen telephone call and these were the these are. These old tech magazines used to have years years ago so so he got back he got. He got back to her an indirect not interested. I very direct way from a magazine and retaliate. But we ended up getting get him as you as well. That guy you referenced. The criminal could read and could study crimes and possibly read your books to help them. Get away with murder and avoid being apprehended. One thing that i found fascinating when reviewing some old video footage was a gentleman that you met and spoke with mark buyers who at one time was considered a suspect at least in the minds of the public and the west memphis. Three case and i noticed in that video footage when he was being interviewed at his apartment that there were several of your books on his shelves or his desk. Can you tell us why you believe that. Marked buyers is not a good suspect in the memphis three case he had a book. I gave him a book after. I try and he was not a suspect. You know in the in the case More fires yeah he recently. He recently died when when he made that series of shows. What was the name of the the first one the first one the hbo documentary paradise lost the child. Murderers at robin hood hills. He was plied with alcohol and and Prescription drugs he was he was scripted. You know su su out that The the the person who killed those children and The method of disposal told me it was not not mark buyers. He did not have a history really any kind of a major. Kinda history of assault of behavior It was the other stepfather who was never interviewed by the police throughout the years The that fifty analysis. I did For the team. That was working The case that the children It showed me and my goal was was was the could teenage these three teenagers involve no and the way that children weren't dispose though they were The children have their clothes on which be a way of controlling the kids if they if they're stripped down or they could've played out there and they could have been naked to begin with when someone approach them. But the way that disposed of and the person Stuck a stick in the clothing and and and poked down under the water That is pretty fairly criminally. You know sophisticated The children died of commish drowning and blunt force trauma There were people early on investigation. Said there were teeth marks. Human teeth marks on the body. I turned out it was a animal. Predation you know the you probably know that You know now getting back to buyers hours and hours. I mean i spent A with with all the victims and my goal after i determine who was who was not responsible that this is a non-south case they they mean indeed the investigative team peter jackson the director who was funding. This these experts here was to talk to the parents. And i got to talk to. All parents accept the more victims. They had since divorced and I got the mother on the phone and not even even have opportunity to speak with her. I did get to speak to the other victims The other victims families. And i want to throw me out of their homes but once i sat and explain to them how different things how what happened to their children That this was not useful type of crime at all and it was then mexico again. The person who they came up with as a suspect who's who was the The father the stepfather never interviewed. You remember the name. Nick terry hops. Yeah ferry hops I got to interview. I did interview him. He did certainly have the history history of Of of of violence They found a hair which is interesting but it was human hair on one of the In a ligature of the shoelaces That was used to tie one of the victims of hair Owes might have conjul. Dna was found on the hair and also on a branch hair that was mighty conjul linked to link back to him but the case the cases and going anywhere because the if they're not if they're not working the investigation at all they had me speak to the district attorney. down there and and After we came out with a our show..
"john douglas" Discussed on True Crime Garage
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"john douglas" Discussed on True Crime Garage
"John. Douglas started his career with the fbi. And nineteen seventy in the field. He served as a hostage negotiator. He transferred to the fbi's behavioral science unit or b. s. you for short in nineteen seventy seven where he taught hostage negotiation and applied criminal psychology at the fbi academy in quantico douglas later went on to create and manage the fbi's criminal profiling program while traveling around the country providing instruction to law enforcement agencies. Douglas began interviewing serial killers and other violent sex offenders at various prisons he interviewed some of the most notable violent criminals. As part of the study including david. Berkowitz ted bundy john wayne gracie charles manson and edmund kemper. He used the information gathered from these interviews. He examined crime scenes and create a profiles of the perpetrators describing their habits and attempting to predict their next move in cases where his work helped to capture the criminals. He built strategies for interrogating and prosecuting them. As well douglas. I made a public name for himself with the involvement in the atlanta child murders douglas. I made a public name for himself with his involvement in the atlanta child. Murders case back in nineteen seventy seven to nineteen eighty one. He is the author of two of the garages favourite. True crime books mind hunter and the cases that haunt us. And he's joining us here in the garage today via telephone and mr douglas. It is an honor to have you joining us once again. Thank you first. Off mr douglas. Everybody wants to know. Will there be season three of mind. Hunter you certainly have the inside track. What can you tell us. Will it happen and win the now. It's like two months ago. I got a call from holland mcalinden. Who plays bill tench character. He stayed with me when he was developing his part in the show but he found kind of grim. And was that All the actors wanted to return but it was a question with David fincher director. He spent so much time so much time. Filming it in pittsburgh for each each season. He spent about seven months there and he's such a perfectionist that the actors are working on almost the entire year on the on each Each series what they were saying that he's You know exhausted. I just don't personally understand that. Needed the some of the actors Why don't you get us some other directors. Some there are. There are other directors involved in season one and season two of the nineteen total episodes in two seasons venture. Did that seven of them personally did seven. But when he did a series house of cards he started it but then other other directors took over Over for the for the show. So i don't i mean it's just Everyone's is hoping you got tremendous ratings. Reviews were were all. You know all good but i mean it doesn't For now it's not he takes you know if you recall season to the first episode. I just get an idea. The there was a barbecue scene with bill tench and he's meeting his neighbors. We're finding out for the first time kind of what he does. The profiling at quantico and all and they start asking questions that one scene was repeated. Seventy seventy five times seventy five times before Adventure approved at how he wanted that scene To go and it's because it made he's made he's made a lot of money you know it was if it was anyone else say would say okay. It's fine we'll get another director but now they're they're not doing it. But i just went back in my mind. I just think there will some point. Yeah i mean. I may be dead and buried but some point. I hope they'll bring back. There's so much more to tell. I'm even season to the atlanta channel killings I mean and and your your People listened to your show have to realize that's based on the book but it's not the book The atlanta case did not go down like that. In fact reality. I started went down in the real way. Went down a lot more dramatic in my role in that case as far as coaching the the prosecution On how to interrogate him when he would take the stand My attitude toward the the the prosecutors experts that the fbi state run in there. And how how they the throw my ass out of. They did because i was just so critical of them On how they testify. They were so technical. Know could even understand what we're saying. I mean i couldn't understand what they were saying And the defense experts that they brought in talk they may have been saying stuff. That's not correct Their analysis but it was it was clear it was something that the jurors could follow and they were nodding their heads like an agreement with with with their experts so there's so much you know so they. They didn't finish that case. I was thinking of season three. They got that case. I mean they got they have. I think there's just so many different cases. The ted bundy case they could do robert hanssen up in alaska who hunted women. Down like wild animals were set loose in the wilderness and And you have that case you have about buffalo twenty two caliber killer. I mean just the tylenol case then cases of smaller. No one really. The public doesn't even know about but very very interesting interesting You know cases and it may not follow the book. They're kinda interpreting hitting the way they want to. But but it's it's it's better than some other shows that That that i've seen even like with criminal minds was very successful show but but they will science. You know we don't when you you're not unit you don't go you're not making arrests. You're not taking cases away from police. You're not kicking down doors you know. It's cerebral enrich when you reach the the unit and your coach your your coaching Fbi your coaching local law enforcement on on On on how to to investigate or or you know or lead them in the best direction for saying on on known subject Okay so What they portrayed in hunter series was good. Yeah hopefully it's a five year. It was a five year arc to the show and supposed to be honest with five years And then there's plenty of cases to fill up those five years.
"john douglas" Discussed on True Crime Garage
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Swastika, New York, Is Keeping Its Name
"There's a debate in this country over symbols and statues and place names that are tied toe white supremacy. So what to do about a small community in rural northern New York? Called swastika. This summer visitor proposed just changing the name, but local officials opposed the idea. Julia Richie from North Country Public Radio explains why Michael Al Kamo lives in New York City but loves visiting the Adirondack Mountains and upstate New York to cycle through its tiny towns and Hamlets and past historical cemeteries. He was on a trip like this winding through a remote stretch this summer when he noticed something else. Suddenly I came to a town called Watch. The Hamlets name was printed on a small brown street sign. He says he found the name jarring and disrespectful to Veterans of World War two, some of whom are buried in graves nearby, So I think it should be obvious that the town Should update its name and should pick a name that is not so offensive to so many Americans and so emblematic of intolerance, hate and tyranny. So al Comer reached out to county officials in August to see if they would consider it. He was soon directed to email the town of Black Brooke. Which has jurisdiction over swastika. The town agreed to add it to the agenda for their September meeting. And after about five minutes of discussion, the town's for counselors unanimously voted against it. So basically Was named by the founders of the area that settled there. That's black Brooke Supervisor John Douglas, who was at the meeting but didn't have a vote. None of the counsellors returned to request for comment. Douglas Saysthe Hamlets named far predates World War two and came from the Sanskrit word meaning well being the foresighted geometric character that represents the swastika has been used for thousands of years in Indian religions and seen as a symbol of good luck. Of course, That meeting was overshadowed beginning in the 19 thirties with the rise of Adolf Hitler, who co opted the swastika as a symbol for Nazism and anti Semitism. Douglas says. This is not the first time the Hamlets name has been scrutinized. There was concern that due to the Germans that everything that people may I have a different outlook on the name and some of the residents that were from that area actually fought or two and refused to change the name just because Hitler tried to tarnish the meaning of swastika. Douglas says the council didn't see a reason to change the name despite its widespread use as a symbol of hate and white supremacy today, I think that probably Maybe some viewpoint that it's associated with a butt that I believe there's others that do not associate it with. Hey, did the Hindus in the booth and All them today erase it from their religious history because of the Germans, Al Kamo. The cyclists who submitted the request was disappointed by the town's reaction. I didn't expect a quick, apparently quick, unanimous vote to reject the proposal. Social media response to the decision has been murkier, with some locals of the region bristling on Facebook at an outsider from New York City trying to meddle in rural affairs. But Malcolm Oh says he simply wants more people to see the Adirondacks for its natural beauty and deep history history, he says, at odds with the meaning of swastika today
Drummer Joey Kramer is suing his band Aerosmith
"Here's this band that's been around for a long time and now it's time for them to play that weekend Grammy awards and Joey Kramer is not going to be able to play Joey Kramer as a drummer and now in fact he is suing his Aerosmith bandmates claiming he is being frozen out of the group drummer says he's being excluded from playing with Aerosmith at Sunday's Grammy awards and did the recording academy's Aerosmith tribute show which will take place on Friday night and then see Aerosmith received twenty twenty music cares person of the year award so here's what happened barely courting to the story Kramer was sidelined from the band's deuces are wild Las Vegas residency last year after suffering minor injuries with a drum tech John Douglas stepping in behind the kit but wait it's just bizarre to me to me good for Aerosmith they founded their niche they found their home in Las Vegas that's just odd to me too that you know that that a rock band with that kind of a legacy is just playing Las Vegas all the time trip touring and playing shows cool shows everywhere but that's beside the point now we get some Kramer was injured minor injuries however Joey Kramer now claims it when he was fully fit and ready to rejoin Aerosmith towards the end of last year then he was essentially asked to re audition and demonstrate that he can play at an appropriate level now you think in I only something given first blush like Hey wait a minute now your you're gonna ask your drummer if he can play at an appropriate loudly and minor injuries so they are they make him re audition so in a statement Kramer stresses the legal move is not about money he's gonna sue is bad it's not about money says his goal according to him is simply to get back behind the
Examining the 911 call of the JonBenet Ramsey case
"Fine-tuning what's going on okay. Noteworthy left in your daughter. How old is your daughter important? How long ago was the same ransom? Note here it's a random victory place Okay what's your name. Are you okay. How long she she thinks we do? Tweet I am honey. I take a deep breath told okay. Thank you for the beautiful trailer for this week. Here captain and thank you for playing patsies nine one one call now just to clear up any type of confusion. I think we should jump right into a transcript of that nine one one call so we can all have a clear understanding what is said on both ends ends from the nine one one operator as well as Patsy Ramsey when nine one one picks up the call. Patsy Ramsey says police on one. What's what's going on Ma'am Patsy Ramsey? Seven fifty five Fifteenth Street. What's going on there Ma'am Patsy? We have a kidnapping hurry please. He's nine one one explained to me what's going on. Okay patsy there we have A. There's a note left and our daughter's gone nine. One one note was left in your daughter's gone patsy. Yes nine one one. How old is your daughter? She is six six years old. She's blonde six years old. How long ago was this patsy? I don't know I just got the no in my daughter's gone nine one one. Does it say who took her patsy. What nine one one does it say? Who took her Pazzi? No I don't know there's a ransom handsome. No here nine one. It's a ransom note patsy it. SAYS SB T sea victory. Please nine one one okay. Okay what's your name or you Cath Asi Patsy Ramsey on the mother. Oh my God please nine one one. Okay I'm sending an officer Sir over okay patsy please nine one one. Do you know how long she's been gone. No I don't please. We just got up and she's not here here. Oh my God please nine one one okay. Cal- patsy please send somebody nine one. I am honey patsy. Please nine one one take a deep breath and patsy. She says hurry. Hurry hurry nine. One one says Pazzi Pazzi Pazzi. At the start part of this call. It appears the Patsy Ramsey is asking for the police. Now we only hear her say police. There are some reports that state that that that is inaudible that we cannot tell what Patsy is saying in that first line yeah. There's some people that speculate that she actually goes to say ambulance and and cuts herself off and says police. She's immediately asked what is going on to which she responds giving her address again. What is going on there ma'am? She states dates. We have a kidnapping hurry please. What I decipher from this? Very quick little snippet at the beginning of the call is I kind of think good and bad when we look at the the scales of Justice in regards to Patsy Ramsey. She's doing exactly what I would expect a mother who is terrified. Ah what could be going on. Her daughter's gone and found a ransom. Note right she is asking for the type of help that she needs police. She is asking. She is stating where she is located and immediately stating stating the problem at hand we kidnapping and then asking hurry please. We've gone through a lot of these nine one one calls over the years. Yeah yeah they drive me nuts. One thing that I've always called into question is when we have a lengthy call and the person is failing to ask for help to respond to the situation until later in the call right here this call roughly is about. I was trying the time it. It's roughly it's a little over a minute. Forty two seconds or something and we have within seven seconds of the call all she is actually asking for help. She's asking for someone to respond to the scene right so I think a good sign for patsy where I say that I think a bad sign signed for Patsy is and this might be just too much speculation on my part but it almost appears to me and somewhat of a manner that she I believe that she could ask for the type of help that she wants police or ambulance. She states where they are located and states. The problem at hand kidnapping happing part of me wonders if she thought that the conversation was going to go any further than that right it okay. Now I'm off the hook. I've made this call. I've told told them to help that. We need. Let's wait for them to respond very good here. We had the nine one one operator asking again. Explain to me what is going on. Okay okay one thing that I will point out that I think is good for Patsy. Ramsey here is unwilling. You mean good good in the sense that let's say she's innocent of any wrongdoing. She goes immediately into we have A. There's a note left in our daughter's gone meaning. Where my first suspicion was that this? This conversation was going to be over soon as she said. There's a kidnapping please hurry right. Then she's asks what is going on. She without hesitation goes into what is going on. She doesn't stumble. You know like I would expect somebody that has has a lot to hide to possibly stumble at that point in the conversation. A lot up. Yeah a lot of us And then there several back and forth about you know our daughter's daughter's gone and there's a note here. She gives a brief description. The at six years old she's blonde. She's a six year old girl down a lot of people label give her a check mark in the and the guilty column for never saying her daughter's name but in fairness to Patsy Ramsey. She's never asked what the daughter's name is. How old is she Karachi your name correct and then we do have a portion here where I find it interesting that nine one one is okay? What's your name? Are you calf so there. Several there are several versions Asians of this call out there right. I find this one to be the most complete one that I have seen and so I'm going with this one. I hear a her. Say The operator. Say Our Cath. which just I find that interesting? Because it doesn't she doesn't seem to know where the calls coming from from at that time almost she's GonNa ask her are you Kathleen or Kathy right but yeah I think it's probably just inaudible and and that's the closest somebody could put down to decipher so I have patsy Ramsey. Of course she's asking for help numerous amorous times asking that they please hurry numerous times throughout this call even in this very short call six or seven seconds into. It is the first time that she asked for our help. And then again around the forty second mark and basically the whole second half of the call is her asking for help or for them to please hurry. Okay so where I always stand on. Those is if we have a situation where somebody calls nine one one and they are not asking for help. Because that's essentially that's all nine one on one is therefore for you to call and request help assistance of some sort. Yeah my issue with a lot of these non one causes is just the the lack of calmness and and obviously that's easier said than done but yes you read the note you yelled for your husband you ran to your husband. You had some kind of conversation with your husband. He reads the note and he says AAC Copley's which one have the two individuals. We know which ones calmer John Ramsey. So maybe you should call because like you said after you asked for help. Maybe that's that's where you think it should stop. Its where it doesn't stop so nine one one is going to keep you whoever calls on the line as long as they can unless unless you have really good reason to not be on the call. Yeah this this call also gets put into question because I would think when you start talking to somebody and saying hey we have emergency. Here's where we're at by me talking to you. The reason why they keep you on the phone is to start calming you down. So as you as the call progresses. Patsy doesn't get more calm. I think this this to me is either a sign that she's faking it. And she's a drama queen or this says happening in real time on. This happened so quickly and as they're asking her questions she still processing the fact that her kid is gone on. And what the hell are we going to do. And one of the things I find really interesting. I believe John. Douglas talks about this. This is one of the key things that he believes that she didn't know much about the note and go get to the note later. Ballade people speculate that she wrote it while she wrote it and they said WHO's the note from that if she was really familiar with the note she she would adjust said as BTC. But it's almost like she asked flip to that part of the note and then she reads from down to upwards reads S. B. T. C.. That makes no sense so she goes to the next word to try to find the answer S. B. T. C.. Nope that's not a good answer victory. Oh that's not good answer either she. I'm saying so. If somebody is more familiar with the no they probably went out. Read from down to up probably when it had to flip to the back To the third page aged to find the answer. That's assuming that that she's doing that. But it sounds like the way she's describing things on that nine one one call. It sounds as if that that is in fact what she is doing. Yeah it'd be very good acting. I would think if she's faking. That you said Drama Queen. I do believe she took some trauma courses. This is the in high school or College. I B here's what drives me. Nuts is like on the where always constantly going. Well here's how I would've reacted or this is how I think somebody should react. Where because if you did if John Ramsey called and said my name is John Ramsey my my daughter Jon Benet Ramsey's missing? She's six years old she's blonde. She's about however tall that they would persecute him for being into com- Not being emotional enough right well I to me. I don't try to look too much into the to try to figure throughout the emotions of the person making the call. I never do that. My whole thing is just I always question win. They are finally asking for help. Because that's that's what nine one one is. It's truly a life line. It is their only to be asking for help and Dan when somebody is in a situation as severe as this. I expect them to be asking for help very quickly in the call and the reason why I always reference that is because if it's a put on if you're only calling nine one one because you feel that that's what you are supposed to do or how you are supposed to act in the situation and you in fact it something terrible then really. You don't want help to show up inside deep down inside you. You're hoping it's delayed as possible because you don't want to have to explain anything to anyone right because you don't want them to know what you've done so I always take that into account when I when I listen these. I never tried to listen to the emotion because as you very Very well pointed out. We don't know how each one of us would behave or react to these different situations. We there is no right way to act or wrong way to behave on these calls and the car gets a little more interesting at the end because there is no okay. See you later or will be here waiting. There's no and end and that's where I believe possibly at that point. John Ramsey is trying to tell patsy Ramsey. Something there's something going on at that House that is pulling her attention away from the phone call in that point. Gone that minute and and forty some seconds on the phone to that mother could have felt like an hour so she might have been like look. I said all I need to say now. There's stuff going on here And now I'm talking to these individuals than the phone hangs up and it's always been kind of a mystery what it has been said at the Ed this is from a two thousand sixteen story on Bustle Dot Com. There's long been debate Over what exactly happened at the tail end of the of the recording was some arguing. The call did not immediately disconnect after patsy hung up the receiver and that a third voice can be heard the nine one one tape has been analyzed nine times nine different times by everyone
"john douglas" Discussed on KTRH
"From this. But first, let's get to sue in Atlanta on wildcard line on coast to coast AM for John Douglas, sue. Thanks for the completely creepy. Sog from silence of the lambs. I have a question for you. If I were your daughter or your little sister. What advice would you tell me to look out for or are these victims just in the wrong place at around? I sometimes I mean, if you're if you're. Is state your car breaks down. And here comes the good. Samaritan and offers you a ride you went from a low Ristic, then we would write it up. If you were murdered a lowest victim, but the minute you went into a vehicle that you didn't know who the person was in this car, you increase your risk level too. High risk high risk victim. I tell my daughters, and because it affects me working with these crazy people have three three children when they were younger. I was very kind of overprotective of them. But but one of the things if you were dating your on some internet site match dot com, something like that the question. My mother used to tell my sister. And she's exactly right. It's it's look to see what the relationship there exist between the person you like say, this male, and the the mother see what this relationship is like what he thinks of the mother how because that. Mother really has in some women. Get mad at me when I say this. But but what about the father all the father is important its mother NFL there. But but tell these cases of violent cases that we've seen we've seen that. There is this dysfunction is issues between the mother and the father almost eight the mother and the the sun, and that would be something a question to you know, to ask go walking or out. I'm always looking for potential problems. And I'll see you girl with a headset on and she's walking around in a park can come right up on her. And she's listening to music can come right up on her attacker, as you would know what what hitter. And so you just have to be careful, and these guys can tell you they can go in a bar, and they they could see a bunch of women sitting on a barstools, and they can pick out the girl that Saudi. Problems. Maybe depressed drinking her body posture. How she sitting sitting at the bar and they'll move in. They could move in like a like a like jaws like. Like we said earlier in the here comes the the Knight in shining Arbor. They can they can size people up pretty yeah. Pretty darn quick. So you don't be alone better be with friends and the friends Betty you all to take care of each other. And look after each other. High-risk position. This was back though to that idea of archetypes, and you don't have to buy into it. But the the that idea of what is learned for little girls, or as other people talking about that a lot of these stories are really intended for for tweens for for people to to have in your mind as you're going out into the world is your is your entering into young womanhood, or or or dulled hood, the little red riding hood motif of the wolf that then changes in order to lure. So the wolf is unsuccessful in the woods. But then you know, becomes the grandma in order to lure the girl. And she of course, but even the Hodson gretel motif. And and of course, you know, the the dark side of the Knight in shining armor is the Bluebeard stories and luring women and then capturing them in in keeping them. I keep seeing that connection in terms of preparing people. It's it's not bad motif. Anyway. Have a chance to say right now when my when my street children's who daughters when they were really really young we were at a park, and it was pony rise. And I'm looking at a look at the children. I'm looking at the people who watching the kids on the pony rise. And there's this one guy standing there, and he has a camera, and he's taken pictures of these children. So I told my one. See this guy over here. She was like seven just out here. I said I think he doesn't have any children on those ponies. So sure enough the ride ends they get off the ponies, and he has no connection with the children. He starts walking the park with his camera and he's following these young children. So I said, let's tale this guy. And I said you see this guy. He's taking pictures of these children, not even aware of it. Now, what can happen here is that wherever he lives. He you go. If I send you out selling cookies girl scout cookies or something for the church and without supervision and you knock on his door. He looks around what I've done to us is I've increased your risk level increase your risk level. So I shouldn't you should never put yourself in that position. Nor should I put yourself in that position, you should be accompanied by an adult, and that's why I'm really against when you have these parents send their kids out door to door. In neighborhoods thinking that the safe neighborhood. How many times? Safe neighborhood. But they they know there's a is a guy in the neighborhood here who you know, is a pedophile or or have some type of criminal history. How did Lauren like her bring your daughter day? I made my wife even. She dating she she made a situation where you to see the driver's license. Like the photograph look at my photograph. What is your photograph? Look like she wanted information from the driver's license, the license plate. And then the last thing was offered a drink. And the reason she wanted him to take was late and fingerprints just in case. Off of the glass that.
"john douglas" Discussed on 600 WREC
"Right by you, John Douglas and make sure that there's plenty of plugs for the new book the killer across the table because we could talk for two hours easily about anything ever done. And so I just wanna make sure we get that one in there put with. It's pleasure to talk with you. Thank you so much for giving us the time tonight. Oh, thank you. Thank you very much. And for the the in show. You got me down, Pat good. I hope so you deserve that. And it was interesting because the even your title the killer across the table evoked and rule and her famous book about Ted Bundy stranger beside me. Did you have chance to know any great? I knew what you just really started getting going and at conferences before she started to come in as prolific author. And she was choose a great woman. And yeah. What she would have been writing for the true crime magazines back when she was, you know, a mom raising. You know, I think it was four kids and and she had to make her own way. So she was selling articles to true detective in doing well with that. But it was interesting because you make many of the same not that you you're copping her in any way. But it's that you or that she copied you, but you come to a lot of the same conclusions as I'm I wrote this book about true crime in its role in our culture, and why we need it and what it replaced in in our Mindscape. And I think that you are work with true crime has been something that. Few few authors could ever make as much of a claim to that that you've been boots on the ground right there. Talking to the very people that other authors could only hope could only dream of getting a few minutes of you've spent a lot of time across the table with them. And in your book, you go through some cases that are equally fascinating to the better known cases. But aren't as well known, right? And plus I had the credentials the FBI credentials that could get into those into those prisons, which I if you don't have a lot more more difficult, and and when I went into the prisons, I didn't have to tell anyone in advance who I wanted to speak to the one interview. Manson I go into the prison, and they talked to the warden's wanna talk to Charles Manson, what about not really. I'm not gonna tell you exactly what the specifics are. I I would tell them then they would bring whoever I wanted to speak to out for the interview. And I would spend four five six hours within you know, at a at a time. But I did this I really out of survival. When I came back to the FBI kademi, I was only thirty two years of age. Crude it out of the air force twenty five years of age, which was very very young went back to the FBI then went onto Detroit. I've you mentioned in at the top of the hour where we're Bank robberies. I worked organized crime cases worked with the homicide. Detectives. Walkie, and then came back to the FBI and would audit. The the senior instructors. And the only trouble was the senior instructors they were telling war stories, but they had never really done any any research. So they'd be up in front of a class talking about for example, like at Kemper, and it'd be a guy in class who would say I worked the case man, you got your facts wrong. So I'm sitting in the back of the class auditing this instructor. I'm staying home. Good nece. I I cannot I maybe a young guy, but I got exceleron my learning. And so when we go out we call them Roach schools in those days for two weeks road schools interesting, and then we teach for say an LA for five days all spare time downtime. Let's go into a fan Clinton. Let's see if Manson we'll talk to us. Let's see, whomever. We'll speak to us. We didn't ask for any bureau petition because. Sure, they would've said, no. And he does when we did get caught doing this the bureau just like in the in the mind hunter series. They weren't too keen on this. Why you talking to these people? What's the purpose here? Our job is to investigate and lock them up. What the purpose is trying to understand the criminal personality is the UAE. Plus how equals who? Here when we have a case trying to figure out who here, we have people who are incarcerated we know who they are trying to find out the motivation. You know, why they did it victimology why they selected a particular victim? Why they did the things that they did to victim. What was the pre offense? Behavioral what was the post defense behavior? If they confess what was the circumstances. Stances surrounding the the interrogation that made this person volunteer and provide provide information to the to the police so doing that. And then teamed up doctor and Burgess from from Boston College who we developed this fifty seven page computerize instrument protocol that would cover every aspect of the case victim to the subject every you name it. But it'd be every piece of the of an investigation and unlike in the show where the the investigators go in and my character is trying my part goes in with tape recorder and notes, I would never do that. I never had a tape recorder. And I started off with one with that Kemper. And it was a mistake because they're extremely paranoid individuals. You know, what are you doing the tape recorder? Why are you taking notes? And so I in that. And then what I would. Do it was I was just memorized the case backwards and forwards memorize the protocol fifty seven pages some of which I could fill out before. I did the actual interview the rest I can fill out after the after the interview, and then conduct the interview. And it was it was just surprising. How open they began. They were with me. And it wasn't. And it wasn't interrogation. And they didn't teach this kind of stuff and and training in at law enforcement academies of the FBI because it was not an interrogation. It was not like an interview it was conversation. And they just as many questions for me as I had them. They want to know about the bureau, they want to know about you know, how I do the work that that, you know, I do and it started off we see maybe the first year. I received fifty cases fifty cases from police who had taken my classes at Quantico. And then it's. Started doubling and doubling every year every year after that. So by the time, I retired from the bureau. I was doing the thousand cases and had twelve agents working for me. And we were we just want many of us was just so burned out because of the volume of the work the nature of the work and many of us along the way got sick physically. Sick emotionally sick from this type of work in dealing not just with the subjects, but dealing with victims and surviving victims families who want answers who wanna know what happened to their daughter did what what was it life. When my daughter when she was being murdered. And they want you to describe they want you to describe to them everything that took place during the crime, which is gut wrenching. And and at first I said, I wanna do that. I don't want to and they get angry with with. And then Finally I had to open up and had to go through. You had to go through the the case with them and explain to them and everything about the, you know about the case. So it was really it was emotionally draining to do. I still do it you have to because at a time like that when we have been victimized. What people don't want? I think in this comes from more from not from my research and true crime. But because I I. Went to seminary, I'm ordained in the episcopal church. Right. Is that people at a time of crisis like that? They want facts they want truth. They want someone to say things to them that are not platitude. You know, they don't need to hear God needed. Another little bell arena in heaven. Right. They don't need that what they need is somebody to talk straight to them. And that's what they were demanding of you because you had the information, and they have the imagination and maybe their imaginations were worse than what it was that. You could tell them about what happened, and it helps them not just fixate on that. And go around in circles, right? In fact, in the in the current book killer across the table. There is a case in their Joseph McGowan. Child was was murdered by a schoolteacher who lived in the neighborhood. She was collecting money from the sale of girl scout cookies and the mother Rosemary del Andrew became very very close close with her and helped her inner fund, and she's changed the laws in New Jersey. Because the person who I would be going interviewing it was all set to get out of prison at the serving the maximum sentence of thirty years, and the the interview that I did I the parole board swarm in and and I was representing the parole board this on this particular day and went into this interview environment, I stage, the interview environment, I had very little lighting the room was dark room was cold. Very very little furniture in the room. Did want him in shackles guy? Six foot. He was six two. But. Strong got real strong since he's been incarcerated working out in the yard with the with the weights. And it was just fascinating. At some point. What you're trying to do is you try to take him back to that day thirty thirty years earlier and turn on that CD in his brain where I got him back. And now, let's see let's see if he has been so called rehabilitated. That's why I was there will be a threat to society if these released because he he's gonna get out unless someone thinks that he should stay in. And so I could his his interview and into the interview he just started looking off as I said, what was it like that day? It was it was Easter time. What was it? Like, why did you do the things that you did? And I try to ignore whereas like child or murder, and he was a schoolteacher. He got demoted in school in school job. He. He he was engaged engagement of was broken off. He was living with his mother in in the basement is by the way, work grandmother was upstairs. The school also teaches went away on on vacation did not invite him. And then all of a sudden he just looks at me any turns away, and he said when I heard the knock on the door, John I and looked up and saw her I knew I was going to kill her. And this is a little seven year old girl had and then what did you do Joe? And then he talks about how he lured down into the basement because he said he didn't have any money..
"john douglas" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI
"John douglas. He is the author of the killer across the table. Also, the New York Times bestselling book mind hunter, he is the guy that really they they tell his story in mind hunter the Netflix series, which if you haven't seen it it is. So it's creepy. It is really creepy. But it is. So well worth your time to see what this guy had to do to be able to get us to a point where we are today, where we can at least have a profile of these people and understand them that was not wanted when he started and he has interviewed David Berkowitz, Ted Bundy, John Wayne gay, see Charlie Manson, all of them James Earl Ray sear on Sihran, Richard speck, you name it. He's been on the front line. And he has he has given the tips to the investigators to say look for these things, and it ends up every time that that's exactly. The you know, what what they what they find John Douglas joins us again, John. Let me I want. I want to change this subject. Just a a little bit. I was just reminded three minutes. Here's something else. Okay. We'll have you. We'll have you. We'll have you back. I'll be up in New York. I'll get on your podcast too. Your show here. Glad to we love to you know, I wanna have you back. I want to talk to you about the way you're treating people in in your book speaks volumes about how we should be treating people today. But I'll have you back because I think that's a long conversation. Can you just answer this question? What does what does the the fascination with serial killers say about us? You have a good reason to do it. But when we're watching these shows like Ted Bundy, there's no reason for me to watch that what does it say about us? I've done throughout my books. I've always mentioned it's why how equals will who? When I'm doing on sub case no subject as I'm trying to figure out who done it now. When I go into the prisons. I know who did the the crime. So it's it's that, you know, the why the motivation, and when I talked to groups speaking, these crime conferences, it's where the audience are women. They wanna know they wanna know how the same questions one to why what what what's the purpose? What's the motivation is sexual power anger retaliation? You know, what is so those kind of things that I dress in books and get me back on show. We'll go have stuff. John heavy back on. Thank you so much. I appreciate you bet. The killer across the table. That is that's fascinating. I can't wait for that podcast. Because that's going to be really interesting. I could talk to him. We'd probably have to do to podcast. I'll just have to record. I do three hours with them easy. I will say to your last questions really interesting because I have I watched the new Ted Bundy movie on Netflix haven't seen it front as the star, which my wife was curiously interested in this film, for some reason, why wasn't the scene where whereas Catherine shows his naked for three seconds wasn't. I've noticed Netflix queues paused at that point over. But it's a it was I really really good. And I also watch the Ted Bundy tapes, which is a fascinating story where journalist goes into to talk Ted Bundy who wanted with these crimes and eventually one of these kinda gets him to admit the crimes to say just like John was talking about he treated him as an expert. He said, hey, if these killings did happen. I know you didn't do. But if he's killing hit happen. How would the killer of done it? And he goes in explains exactly how. All these things Bill on. And he explains the crimes and the only way he would know these crimes of courses, if he did them in a way, you know, he wanted to tell him that he did the crime, but he didn't want to admit it against more legal trouble. But that is I really enjoyed watching those things I joined the true crime stuff. I like those shows, and there's a part of does that actually understand what it says about your why because I'm just watching it for entertainment. I'm not looking to the next found. And maybe this is just me. And it's weird. I've I've started watching a lot of stuff from the BBC because I think they're ahead of us in many ways their shows tend to be really really good. They're not like upstairs downstairs anymore. But I I've watched a lot of their crime stuff, for instance, killing eve is fantastic. And really weird. Just like you'd like it. If you like the Ted Bundy stuff like this, but it's fiction. So it makes it removes it one step. Okay. And then what I've found is. I don't like watching like, I've never watched any of the what is it the NC s is I've never I've never seen any of those not once have had no desire, but I will watch crime shows from the BBC, and I think it's because it's not my society. It's another escapist it's another country. So I'm not relating to it. It's it's not something that I'm worried about here. And so I can watch it more as entertainment does that make sense. Yeah. No it does. It's been really shocking because I've been watching the shows which I really enjoy and I would never watch them on American television. I they'll come up on my Netflix, you should watch this. And I'm like never like fascinated by his law and order SVU. And it's like this is I was in my head of someone in the hospital. I was at the hospital for several days as they were very ill. And so I was in the waiting room and during the day when normally I would be here working, and I'm on I had the TV was on like, I think USA or one of these networks where all day, they're showing episodes of law and order SVU, which I've heard of but never watched. I love law and order. I've watched it a million times. But I never really watched Lauder view before. And then I just realized this is just a very popular show where every episode woman gets raped on camera like the entire show SVU just means a bunch of rapes that is it's law and order of budget rapes series and every series his legitimately starts where some terrible thing happens to some woman, and they tried to solve the. Time and throughout the time. They explain to you all these awful awful details about it. And I'm like how people watching this. I mean, it's well done. And of course, had that drama of trying to figure out who it is. And law orders great at that. But I mean, this is a series. That's been like the top ten shows in America for how long and it's just a collection of sexual assaults. That is what it is the entire special victims unit is six crimes unit. Holy crap. Man, that's dark, and you watch these things because I like watching documentaries, especially I'm less interested in fiction I like watching nonfiction. And so watching his documentary. You can always learn something and take something out. We will bring a lot of that stuff to you on the show because there's always something interesting in there. But there is that weird facination at America has with serial killers in particular. I think. I can't speak for you know, the non western world. But I think it leased the western world has that same facination. With serial killers serial killers and with with gruesome crimes, and while there's something about this. And it ties directly to the school shooting problem as well. Which is we make these people into celebrities certainly has nothing to do with what John did he was doing real FBI work and important work to make sure that these things didn't happen again. But we we've come to the point where we turn these people into celebrities. I know we've taken steps here at the blaze not related serial killing killing his less, less popular. Let's than it used to be. But the mass shooting issue, we don't tell you any names anymore. I can't remember the last time you heard one of their names on the show. I mean, you're going back before. Yeah. I remember it's been a couple years, and we didn't officially institute the policy until somebody lied until Vegas after Vegas. But I mean, it's goes back a long time for us because we've seen the research we've seen that the copycat thing is a big issue and anything you can do to not make these people get their level of fame who is the person responsible for the last couple of shootings. Do you have any idea? What's that is the name of top of my head of the? Of the heroes of the people who went and stop them. We actually have some stuff coming up on them in the next week or so we've planned potential potentially do some of that because we seen this recently sort of new trend in these crimes where you know. It's been sad. In some cases, some cases it has been great in that people with guns people with other weapons have chased people away from these mass shootings. We've seen the last two things that have happened where unfortunately the person who did it losing their life. But stop the mass shooting went from who could have been twenty thirty people dead to one look we wanted to zero. Obviously, we wanna these things to go away, and they're heroes. But that's he roic, and it's also the type of thing that actually wants ending these trends, if you think about hijacking for second we went through multiple decades where anybody who got on a plane with the right weapon or took over the cockpit could fly that plane to Cuba. Right. You could fly the plane to wherever you wanted. That's basically what happened in all those cases. And it wasn't until nine eleven where you know, where you have the people stepping up on on the flight in Pennsylvania where they rush the key. The cabin. And they are able to to stop that. Now. No one gets away with that. If you go and try to know what's gonna try to hijack a plane because they know what end how it ends. It ends with you being tackled and subdued. I mean, it might wind up killing everybody on the plane because no one can flight it's possible. But with these steps they've taken it's unlikely and at some point when you take out the incentive of fame from the mass shooter, and you take out the idea you're going to have some big score. You're gonna be able to outscore all the other people because. Yeah, you might get somebody, but they're gonna wind up getting tackled pretty fast and this goes away. This is a sort of thing that de-escalate s- a rising trend in particular crime. And I'm hoping that that is the beginning of this. I think a lot of we're not the only ones I know daily wire, for example, has also taken the same step now, they won't mention them. And I think a lot of conservative outlets. Do it. I'd like to see a New York Times or CNN or an MSNBC or some big mainstream organization step to the plate and say we've seen this research. We see how many of these people are searching for fame and notoriety, and we're no. Longer gonna give it to them. They still keep doing it. I think there's also there's also something else happening and it happened last night at the Colorado vigil for the the last shooting, and that is the people are tired of being used for political purposes. We're going gonna get into that here. When we come back. Let me just pause for a second. I'll tell you about ZipRecruiter unemployment now is at historic lows three point six, I do not recall ever in my life. Well, it was its lowest since nineteen sixty nine.
"john douglas" Discussed on Here & Now
"True crime tv fans are already obsessing over netflixing new procedural drama mind hunters released last friday it set in the 1970s the very early days of criminal profiling and it tells the story of an fbi agent trying to change the way the bureau deals with killers let's listen california jails are full of throw killers unless lerner and we put them there that's our job dying and riding on the fire crimea river holden although wasted potential it is wasted potential sir it is because they could be using these people using how their knowledge and insight of what hosts out limit of what we're talking about when we speak to other lawn for you make them shut up i have not been able to do that sir jonathan graf the stars as holden ford a character based on reallife fbi agent john douglas and pierre tv critic eric dagens joins us eric first procedural dramas i had not heard that reference to the shows yes sure that's a police procedure roles is a way to refer to a lot of the cop shows that we see on television that show us the procedure by which police officers come across a crime and then solvit there's all cable channels devoted to them exactly and so now with minehunter we have this really interesting set up where they're taking a character that is based on douglas and they're showing him trying to push the fbi to develop a department where they would speak to serial killers and they portray actual serial killer so people like at kemper and richard spec.