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Dennis Rader, The BTK Strangler

Murder Minute

19:10 min | 1 year ago

Dennis Rader, The BTK Strangler

"Welcome to the murder minute podcast today, we will be diving into the story of Dennis Rader, also known as BT K, but I your true crime headlines. The long delayed murder trial of John John Chuck is scheduled to begin this week more than four years after his arrest for the murder of his five year old daughter. John, Chuck stands accused of dropping his daughter Phoebe, from the Meisner bridge more than sixty feet above the cold dark waters of the Tampa Bay. John checks lawyers plan to mount an insanity defense a North Carolina man was arrested during a traffic. Stop outside of Tucson Arizona last week, armed with a knife and carrying a large amount of cash just thirty four miles from the Mexican border. The man fifty seven year old record Lynn keel junior is accused of murder in the stabbing death of his wife, Diana Alejandra. He'll whose decomposed body was found in a wooded area five days after she went missing. Investigators are also taking another look at the death of kills first wife, Elizabeth who died in a slip and fall accident in the couple's home more than a decade ago. A Massachusetts court reinstated the murder conviction of late NFL star Aaron Hernandez. Who hanged himself inside his jail cell in twenty seventeen Hernandez was serving a life sentence for the murder of Odin Lloyd in twenty thirteen and was awaiting an appeal at the time of his death, the high court ruled last week that the statute, which allowed for a conviction to be vacated, if the accused died before, exhausting, their appeals was antiquated and should not be applied in Hernandez's case or any others. Those are your true crime headlines. For more headlines. Check out the murder minute app in the app store and Google play. Or follow us on Instagram at murder minute. Coming up next, the story of BT K strangler Dennis Rader, but first acquit break. On this episode of murder minute. Another case familial DNA played a part, though this one also includes a healthy dose of plain old stupidity. Did is raider was a husband a father, a cub scout leader in the president of his church congregation. He was also a sadistic killer known as BT K who confessed to ten murders in and around, which talk Kansas. Dennis Rader was born in Pittsburg Kansas in nineteen forty five. He moved to Wichita when he was a child. The oldest of four boys Dennis was a seemingly normal kid he was involved in his church youth group. The boy scouts and was an average student, one of his former classmates described him as completely devoid of a sense of humor, but polite and quiet as a child Dennis fantasized about bondage, and torture. He secretly killed cats and dogs by hanging during his youth. He joined the air force at the age of twenty one and served for four years. He returned to Wichita after he was discharged and married twice. Eighty six braider and his wife. Paula had two children, a son and a daughter they raised them in Park City, Kansas, a quiet suburb of Wichita sometime in late nineteen Seventy-three. Dennis was depressed after being laid off from his job. It was out trolling for victims as they called it. He's spotted Julie or tarot thirty three taking children to school. He was attracted to the beautiful mother, and also to her daughter Josephine, who has just eleven they would be as first victims his projects as he called them two months later in January of nineteen seventy four. He cut the phone lines at the tarot house and pushed his way in the back door one morning, while young Joe, your tarot was leading the dog out raider had expected to find just Julie and the children in the house. But was apprised instead to find that Mr. Ortego was also home. He held the form or toes at gun point in. Order them to lie down on the living room floor. He moved them to the bedroom tied up Julian just faint on the bed and Joseph enjoy on the floor. He decided that since he had not wanna mask and all four or taros has seen his face. He would need to put them down. He tied a plastic bag around Joseph's head suffocate him then strangled, Julie, once he killed the parents, he suffocated nine year old, Joey Tida bag over his head, and then point up a chair, so that he could sit and watch the child squirm and struggle after Joey was dead. He took Josephine to the basement. He hunger from a rope that he had slung over a pipe suspended, her low enough that her feet almost touched the ground, and then masturbated as he watched her slowly die. Dennis Rader, then cleaned up and left. The house. You're taros were found by their teenage son, when he returned home from school that day soon after raider was out. Trolling again. Then when he spotted Kathryn bright, she was a pretty twenty one year old college student, and he chose her to be as next victim projects lights out. He called it on April fourth nineteen seventy four project, lights out was ago, he burst through the screen door of Kathryn, Bright's home rain, a stocking cap and carrying a twenty two pistol though. He had stock Catherine. He was unaware, that she had a brother, it was the price to find. He was home with Catherine. He tied up both of them securing Kevin Bright's feet to the bed post, as he began to strangle Catherine in his confession. He would tell of how Catherine fought like hell cat, Kevin managed to escape his bindings so raider shot him in the head. Then continued to struggle, Catherine. She continued fight, and eventually, who stabbed her. We went back to check on Kevin. He was shocked to find that not only had he is revive the two gunshot wounds to the head, but Kevin was actually. Running from the house, in search of help the BT K killer, quickly cleaned up and fled. The home running five or six blocks back to where he had left his car. Dennis Rader had started working for the ADT security company in the fall of nineteen seventy four. He would keep this job from more than a decade, working to install security systems, and the very same neighborhoods Hughes terrorizing and October of nineteen seventy four. He sent a letter to the Wichita eagle beacon, claiming responsibility for the tarot families murders. The unsigned letter was full spelling and grammatical errors, but included detail about the crime that could only been known to the killer and the postscript he suggested that he should be known as BT K an allusion to the method of binding torturing and killing his victims. He promised that there would be more victims. The police do not release this information to the public and. BT K. Would not kill again for three years when he did his victim was surely Viann a twenty six year old mother of three who was home with her children. When BT K struck he told terrified Shirley, that he had a problem with sexual fantasies, and that he needed to tire up, and that if she and her children, cooperated, they wouldn't be killed, Shirley, complied and help the killer locker children in the bathroom. He gave them toys and blankets to comfort them then tied Charlie's feet to the bedpost just as he had done to Kevin bright, years earlier, surely vomited, while b k was tying her down. He got her a glass of water and tried to comfort her. He then tied her with a rope and secured a plastic bag over her head, he masturbated as he watched her die. Her horrify children, watch through an opening and bathroom door. The killer plan to murder the children just as he had the taros a ringing phone disrupted his plan varying that the police were on their way. He fled the home leaving the children locked in the bathroom. By the end of nineteen seventy seven the BT K killer had moved onto yet another project. He called this one project, FOX hunt victim. Nancy FOX was twenty five. She worked here in the day as a secretary for a construction company and nights out, outta jewelry store. He chose December eighth nineteen seventy seven as the day he would attack. He parked, a few blocks away from Nancy's house. He approached and knocked on her door. When no one answered he went around the back and cut the phone lines. He broke in through kitchen door and waited for her to return home in his confession. Dennis Rader called this attack. A perfect hit like some of his other victims. He told Nancy that he was just going to tire up and took steps to put her at ease, they talked and smoke a cigarette while he went through her purse, she said, she wanted to get it over with, and asked if she could go to the bathroom. I, he allowed this, and told her to take off her clothes washing in there when she came out of the bathroom. He put her in handcuffs later on the bed, tighter feet, and then strangled her with about when she was nearly dead. He released his grip on the belt, and whispered in her ear that he was the be Tocchet killer. As he tells in his confession this made her squirmy than more. He tightened the belt again do not let up until Nancy FOX was dead, he masturbated as she died. He brazenly reported her murder to the police himself dialing nine one, one from a payphone in January of nineteen seventy nine he sent a poem to the eagle beacon, referencing the murder of Shirley Viann less than two weeks later, he sent a letter to K A, K TV in Wichita, claiming responsibility for the murders of Nancy FOX, and Shirley Viann as well as another unnamed victim letter began, how many do I have to kill before. I get my name in the paper or some national recognition after this letter was perceived, Wichita police chief Richard Lamongan called a press conference and announced with public that there was a serial killer on the loose. And they believed that he would kill again. BT K would strike again, in April of nineteen Seventy-nine victime was Anna Williams, a recent widow who lived alone. That night. He cut her phone line and broke into her house, where he waited for her to return home and waited and waited and waited. And William state outlay with her friends that evening and it saved her life. The killer got tired of waiting so he stole a few things and left when Anna returned home. She found her house broken into her phone dead a few months later Anna received a package containing items stolen from her house. A drawing of what the killer intended to do it her an opponent titled. Oh, anna. Why didn't you appear? He similar package to the media after this failed attack. The B K killer went dormant for more than six years. Marine hedge lift five houses away from Dennis. Rader. She was a petite woman recently widowed. Whom Dennis would wave to when he saw her outside gardening an April of nineteen eighty five he decided she would be an ideal project for him. He dubbed her project, cookie used a cub scout camping trip as opportunities to pounce, while everyone slept, he crept from his tent and sneaked way, he drove to marine hedges house, cut the phone lines and broken marine was not home when she did return marine. Head was in the company of a male friend who stayed until around one AM the killer hid in her bedroom closet, waiting until her guests had gone home, and she was alone in her bed to finally pounds. He strangled her, and then wrapped her body in a blanket and put it in the trunk of her car. He drove to the parking lot of the church where he'd been a member for decades, he snuck her body into the church basement and took polaroid pictures of marine hedges dead body arranged in different bondage, poses when he had finished. He dumped her body in a ditch. And smack back to the cub scout camp. Undetected Beata, Kay's ninth victim was Vicky Wegerle. She enjoyed the piano, raider hurt her plane while stock in her home in dub this project, piano on the afternoon of September. Sixteenth nineteen eighty six he dressed into telephone repairmen's uniform and knocked on Vicki store. He told her that he needed to check on her phone lines, so she opened the door and let him in once he was inside. He pulled a gun on Vicki he tied her up and strangled her. With a pair of pantyhose, Vicky struggled mightily, and made a great deal of noise. When she finally stopped movie, the killer, rearranged her clothing into three polaroid pictures of her dead body fearing that all the noise could have attracted attention. He left quickly escaping in the victim's car. Vicky Wegger release husband was on his way home for lunch, when he saw the killer drive, right? Past him behind the wheel of his wife's car. The car would be found abandoned later that day two blocks away from the wiggly home. Vicky regularly is murder was not immediately attributed to the beat decay, killer, her husband Bill was considered to be a suspect for eighteen years until the beat decay, killer confessed to the crime and a two thousand four letter to the Wichita eagle. A sixty two year old retiree would be raiders last known victim thinking that it would be easier to overpower an older woman, BT, K set his sights on Deloris d Davis. She lived near a dog kennel so was dubbed project oxide again, he used a scout camp as a cover for his crime. On a cold January night and nineteen Ninety-one he set up his camp site, then sneaked away, I, he moved his car near his church because he was a scout leader. He had keys to the building. He changed into dark clothes and symbol. His hit kit of ropes bindings and weapons. He walked over two miles, on notice to Davis's house where he broken and strangled her. He wrapped her dead body in a blanket and put it in the trunk of her car. He dumped her body under a bridge and return to camp the next day he came back to the spot under the bridge. Were he had lefties body? He put a mask on her to prettier up and imposed her corpse for bondage photos, later told investigators that the mask was his, and that he would sometimes photograph himself in bondage, poses brain that same mask, the Lord's Davis's body would be found for thirteen days. For over a decade, the BT K case remained cold, then in March of two thousand four the Wichita eagle received a letter. The return addressee was Bill, Thomas Kelman B, T k the author of the letter claimed to a murder Vicky Wegerle and nineteen eighty six and included crime scene photos and a copy of regular driver's license, which had been stolen at the time of her murder throughout two thousand four additional letters and packages were received by local media outlets and discovered in public. Places in June. A package containing a graphic description of the Ortega family murders was found taped to a stop sign in which ta and December a package was found and a local park. This one contained the driver's license of BT, cave victim, Nancy FOX, which was reported missing at the time for murder in January of two thousand five while attempting to leave a package and Home Depot. Parking lot Beechy K is seen on grainy surveillance footage driving a black Jeep Cherokee in correspondence with police, the BT K killer asked if police would be able to trace his letters if he sent them on a floppy disk the police responded in a newspaper, ad assuring him that they would not be able to trace them on February sixteenth two thousand five, the town's local FOX affiliate received a package from BT k, which included a floppy disk in the meta data on the disc was deleted word document containing Christ Lutheran church. The document was last modified by Dennis a quick internet. Search turned up Dennis Rader at Christ. Lutheran church. Drove a black Jeep Cherokee, police believe that Reiter, was there guy. But they needed more evidence. They got a warrant to testing a from a Pap smear raiders daughter had taken while she was a student at Kansas state university. The deny. Was determined to be close match to the killer. Dennis Rader was arrested on February twenty fifth two thousand five and charged with ten counts of first degree murder. He pleaded guilty in June of two thousand five describing his crimes in great detail without apology during his hearing his family did not attend. Any of his court appearances still reeling from the shock of learning that their beloved husband and father was drained killer in a sentencing in August of two thousand five he gave a bizarre rambling nearly thirty minute. Long statement Kansas did not have the death penalty at the time of the killings instead Reiter was sentenced to ten consecutive life sentences. He serves this time at El Dorado correctional facility where his held in solitary confinement for his own safety Kerry, Rawson, the adult daughter of Dennis Rader has written a book about her. Experience called a serial killer starter for more on this story. Download the murder minute app from the app store. 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Grace Atwood - Understanding how disconnecting can help reconnect with ourselves.

Dan Churchill's The Epic Table

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Grace Atwood - Understanding how disconnecting can help reconnect with ourselves.

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He's with this lead people going from a a finance World Wall Street into craze fees of influential well. We'll clarify. I just knew I wanted to be a buyer for a department store so I heard that they like people in analytical background. I'm like screw it. I'll changed my major so I changed from marketing to finance and then I got the job so I never works in finance. I was a assistant buyer for a department store and then I was I worked in marketing in the beauty industry for about eight years and then I went and I switched jobs again to social media and then somewhere in there I started the blog and then now do that full-time fall time and have a podcast I that is the perfect transition into talking about all areas of experience in life right so you've gone from learning. Essentially you set out wanting to do something based on what someone tell you to die in joy. Someone's going to finance background to be a by. I had a little work hostile towards us like all on instinct. I heard that I like three wisdoms. It was somebody who got the job that I wanted to go. I picked his brand and I was like how do I get that job and he's he's like change your major from marketing to finance like all right and the worked it worked again so number one listeners obviously do your homework and want someone who's been there on that and just sit down and Barma coffee. I love that and then so you've done that you executed in being bond retail and then from that beauty and then transition is obviously social media which which magazine was it. It was actually for jewelry. Company called is Ciller Bob Lavar Baba. Also oh ooh yeah yeah. They're pretty big now. I was there for employees who were like this tiniest startup at the time thinly grew and grew and grew but I was doing my own thing too and I just got to a point where I had to pick one or the other and so what the lead to was essentially you on the so I build your social media following that you realize the presence of the way you spoke to people was quite a lot of the puck fooling that leads you to jump ship yeah yeah. It got to a point because I was you know working on sponsored projects in different brand partnerships and I was bringing in more. You're from that then my day job so yeah. It's very scary because you don't know how how long it's GonNa last if it's going to dry up but I got to a point whereas I can take a chance on myself or I can. Just keep working for someone else forever. That's so true. That's the that is the defining in point. We've had some show you've you'll podcasting took that leap moment yeah. You'd go on okay well. I can continue to run and set the path and XIV or I can have a race. Can you know I'm sure there's many times it's tough Oh never know unless I actually do you actually just went up all right. Let's do this which is interesting interesting time with social media because as more people get involved in it technically Ken dilute the why can't we get income but there's a lot more people doing doing it but you managed to continue studying course and also diversify your portfolio by opening up a cost yeah which is I think it's definitely not to do as we hear that I also have the understanding of your voice and I think that's the critical part of your hand. That really is what is extreme. It's awesome. I think I'm just very honest so even if I don't like something I will talk about that and I think I try and be really gracious about it but I think that there's just so much in this industry. I love this. I love this. They love this. Everything's great. Everything's perfect so I talk about like the shitty parts of my life. I talk about products and things I don't like. I think because of that I've built a really like really hey. What's most important to me is a lot of reader listener trust so that vulnerability using pseudo crucial building? I guess in your industry that brand I think there's so there's this obsession with perfection and of course like I want all my visuals to be really nice. Everything I put out there to be really nice but I'm an imperfect person person and I think it's important to show that imperfections lead to success yeah. That's cool. New Wedding will come into. I think I just wanted to you know. Take better care of myself. I think you know I would beauty products. They try to stick to eighty percent clean. You know there's always going to be those this really great anti aging products that do have the chemicals in those schools but it's really important to me wherever I can't really think about what I'm putting in my body and when I'm putting on my body as well of course and I I always look at things like that is I guess you naturally now voice of reason and you genuinely have whatever you say some people will want to fall on amount of what you said right now having the opposite responsibility yes leads to your you. Have you really do have a lot of responsibility and you have to be like a good role. Model US like for people would look I mean. I don't think about it that often now the he met. I'm like Whoa what's been realization yeah I. I don't think about it that often but when I do so it's a little scary. 'cause I always say that my reader trust is most important to me and I don't want to ever 'cause someone's via product. That's going to be bad for them or are bad for the environment and all that too so it's a lot of responsibility we had Jerry Jones from beautiful destinations John and he talked about how his companies build some trust and that's going to be success. The reason why I love what they're doing it's insane like calling him a might. He's like an on on like we we hot and cold like Xiao Cha well into Russian Baas awesome village and every time it's like Margaret actually just chat about law theon hearing him chat and talk about trust is so important and on fire so eh you as you build your following that trust on new responsibility run and so then yeah you're going to be like you're the fuel just granted magnitude of pressure to tell them the correct information ideal and it's interesting because you're kind of getting pushed by everyone so right now like I did a thing where I'm only working with brands that are inclusive size inclusive so that would be least lease they go up to a size sixteen or xl because there's this whole population of women who are not being served by the fashion industry then even say but what about cosmetics you need to include cosmetics and then he will come at you and say well what about cleaned beauty well what about affordable fashion and everyone just wants like all someone said to me. I would like you to show me some clothing that is inclusive under a hundred dollars and sustainably made and I was like I don't. I don't think that exists like I can bring you one thing but I can't you can't be everything to everyone and I think all we can do is to do the very best we can and talk about things that we genuinely love so so one hand you want to it's tough to love joyride and you wanna be able to help every single path but you can make every single person happy because then you're just going to go crazy damage. Get that moment what you're doing. Jimmy two point like this. Why now I'm going to circle understand truly who you all bathurst the take off the first leaps like you build your brand. You generally like saw added wildlife but also finding what you will grace stands for essentially actually had that inflection point will hang second off the reflection deposits months of you don't far from where I'm really stand. Did you have them. I have it but it's been been more like getting a little bit of a thicker skin and when someone says something negative things that just not she's not one of my people like that's not somebody that it the like gets what this is about so. I think that's helped just to get a thicker skin further than taking everything so personally. If you've got a negative could've comment or someone gets upset you for something you dead even if it's something you stand behind just understanding that not everyone is always going to love everything you do. I guess that's what happened when you put when you put yourself out there in the media spotlight that you you kind of go to expect there's going to be some people that want to go on the computer doppler. Yeah I've Goalie Ron. Yeah like someone's all you have to be for something and if and when that happens that everyone's going to be for you so just realizing housing that it's okay yeah. I want everyone to like made but if they don't that's okay too for sure yeah. I hi I feel that as we continue to build particularly social media well we have a lot more but she needs to to you know obviously the good raisins but also express itself so negative opportunities for today who for some reason loved the communication education between someone. I really spots obey or look up to How do you respond to all forms of like someone slides into your Damron Ron Yeah for whatever reason and now you've got over one hundred thousand followers and so just just on one media one yeah that's a lot of work to maintain both positive and negative reply or even just respond to a question that these answering yeah honey manageable so the dams can add up and I have a what I used to. I used to take it so seriously I would be like well. It felt like Texas coming in from a friend so I felt like I had to reply immediately so now I sat like one to two times a day where I go when I look at all my reply and usually I like to be sitting down and have a coffee like some kind of a treat and not just my time. I I write back to people because I I do think that when you have a brand that feels like you're talking to a friend there is this level of access that people expect which can be really hard for me because I'm one person and so I need to be writing. I need to be producing my podcasts. I have all things like this and then I've got just just all these people that ask him questions like I mean yesterday. I got some. I was at a bar and the next day someone like him going bar tonight. Can you tell me when they close and I said actually I have no idea when they close like. Maybe you should call the restaurant like. Why are you asking me this so I think that there's just this whole all like level of access and always want to answer everything but sometimes just like really like I'm not Siri. My name is not Alexa. It's so interesting. It's so interesting. What is that tunnel like. What is the I for. Xm One and what's the boundary and what's the boundary hundred to also impacts what you stand for but also respect Yotam. I'd like to do this around on new and ask you because I still haven't figured it out. I know you're interviewing me. Oh no question all your. DM is in everything you know. I I'm really big John. Responding to all equate. I I get some really good questions about health wellness and particularly like you know White Lawson issues so I can so I'm always so conscious taking those ones yeah. I'm really conscious of giving them the Tom and some somethings lead to like mental than anything and so I look at that Magog. I'll really have folks and Tomlin this person. I've actually noticed that actually doing video responses quicker for me than actually talking. Oh that's interesting if you via response. It's actually easier so you can actually go. I'm not start doing that more engaging. I feel like it's really cool because I feel like addresses responding to a directly opposed to could be someone else many health schedule schedule my content but I'm the one responding Oh my yeah comments and stuff and you have to because they want to hear from you yeah exactly one hundred percent but back to your point. I I had someone else many other day like. Can you give me an outline of weather. GonNa food tour. Not What can you give me some ideas and I realized that I'm I'm a chef in this world New York complete sense but also go it will more time I do spend this more or less time spent with myself or my friend's yeah and so that would be limit to me yeah. I may have a league my website which has all the answers to those things that he quit Q. and yeah but that's a limit to me so I think I get that same question. A lot and I'm like I don't know you. How am I supposed to tell you what restaurants to go to a guide on my blog and I constantly point people so that but then I feel bad because I'm not giving them like a personal but then it's like this hour long conversation well. I like Italian food but I'm on a under one hundred dollars exam. I'm just kind of wine. I like to drink which is great if you're the friends or you're gonNA fall a grace because she gave me such a detailed response but then at the same time you've gone. I've just I don't wasted but like if I do this for every single person you can't come and so then your actual overall brand time is effectively reduced gab things that you greatly went out and impact and that's ultimately how I raised in it is also why up whereas the best Hans spent Greis on impacting people is a going to be brand that ultimately what you stand for is it sends a message to equality or is it helping someone had a great Tom Com in York City of one person. Unfortunately that one person so that the former so you're spend Tomlin is Michigan. Is Tom still to do so balanced that time is important and we definitely talk about that often bryk but you know particularly in your world where twenty four seven your personal brand is you you very hard to switch off. Yes it has is really hard goes. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA get some cooking started with truffle. We'll get talking time and just off. The one of us wants his great team. Today's episode of the Podcast Has Porty city harvest. I'm probably on the Third Council and I'm pushing any way we can to rise much defense these bright little minds they stanford to normal things that I'm all about preventing waste food which has effects on our planets but also help those in need running the mouth on this year with mark. Chernoff is a CO captain. We have fifteen members on our team. H welcome competitor's mercy for me you can visit us at harvest festival website. We've always done to gripe. Thanks team gripes with black hat and we're shopping on an official law. How's your shopping not so good that and I'm so impressed that you're able to even talk while shopping the like when you call you dockets and having to say yes chef on the file with like Faren when you call it used to it because you didn't multitask. You're in trouble indicate. That's the bills class. You're yeah. We should definitely might the Laura. Yeah even just guests yeah. I think you should have like your Abaza against episode where we all come down here and chat and Chop Mountie. She's taking but I I hope I just make the best of guests at the chopping lessons. Well you just said before. The break always say you said you actually were talking about doing video content and you were like you oversight. He noticed now that right now. You're like no no. It's a little bit because I'm just the talent took the talent and I love it because you sound like you ought idea. Let's IT works so well. I mean the production part of the video is so tricky and and so much work and it's so time consuming so I just do this. Why why don't do it yeah. I just got my team aim to do it. Yeah legends so what we've done to start he would just addison all pan trumped up a lot and this can be find it can be lodge aquifer fun and because you just get more of the data house of the natural sugars out of the the Schwab itself so when you need like a fun essentially we're looking at is the most service area gates contact with the hate the parities for extracting much natural sugar fly out because there's more contact with haight directly onto a particular should trigger particle as opposed to dropping a whole uneven into getting one through so it's taught she got service area say like chocolate so mostly to Ooh Golic as well so little match that like that I've never done good across these fatal this. It's actually more about momentum afterwards foods the reason why okay so we know her because we started a lot in the way that she wanted to gently massage gosh did that's no problem serve. A little tap does hope to have nots. If you just use the the NOCCO essentially it's a great way if you had a tough the office to release attention so just a beautiful your phone shop of that as well obviously use golic Russia. You've got to trust your congrats. Yes quite easily oils. Come out so today we're GONNA onion garlic and with your request rest of the actual truffle was gonna add that in towards the end so I'm going to turn this down so low to the guests to hear in the background as we continue to talk about time so how with your like day to day with podcast and everything going to blog plus irrespective effective brands you work with pouches Tom Critical factor in that you you know a priority was struck John. I'm pretty structured like I. I Ryan cracks me up when people say oh you work for yourself like I'm GonNa be in the city wanted to go lunch and I'm like like like like I'm just as Lady Radio Leisure because I I think you know you probably really as a self employed person. I am at my desk by you know usually around eight thirty A. M. I will usually often take go lunch break to go. Take a yoga class or workout then I'm back at my desk for most of the day and of course if I have appointments or meetings going on someone else's podcast like that's accounted before but it's very structured and I have to be really really really surgical with my time you people don't. I realized that that's the thing I want to go into Brooklyn so go yeah city. It's go in and out five times like if I'm in I'm and if I'm out. I'm out like the once or twice a day top. That's it and the same thing as you said earlier like Pretty Thomas. Actually speak to your followers. That's a Tom that you have to set aside. as you continue to grow go see that's almost like to assert you. You continue to grow following which means exposure to more pay for the ask in school and it's something I'm really struggling with. I am sometimes we'll turn responses off. Two stories just want to go and look. I need a break. You could do that yeah what yeah I can show you guys a multi term responses off it just here on vacation or something yeah yeah think of when you're on vacation and you you. WanNa be sharing what you're doing but you can't reply the constant minutia of like what's where's that from. What's that thing and then if they really really? WanNa know that they can forward the story to you and and asked the question is just takes out one of the back and forth true so I find that and then just putting the phone away for an hour to Selena helps me. I talk about reading all the time on all my social channels is when I have a book in my hand. I can't be on my phone like it's not like TV when you're watching TV. You can still reach for earphones. Reading really helps me to is reading. A like obviously enjoyment of fictional or is it. I read a lot of fiction nonfiction too because I want to read things that are going to make me better at my job better at kind of just understanding social media on this landscape business books but I probably read like in an ideal reading being month like six six fiction books one nonfiction what you read seven books on the reading. I read a lot but especially especially like if I'm traveling a lot then you're on the airplane. Maybe the Wifi isn't so good. I always read. Maybe an hour before bed now. What are we doing here. Kid about why right now the topic of conversation though isn't it yeah it is it is. I agree with what I do. I as a chef and obviously in the field of coaching I o performance and cooking yeah so awesome deal with before his nutrition nutritional Sondhi and I was thinking of performance ornaments like you were performing because doing performance right now so actually works on stage where do perform Kinda Kinda like it's educational but nothing why just you already. It's meant to be reliable. Yeah Yeah you meant to be able to say you can do that example or people who wanted to lose Weitz or wanting to increase the strength or performance apple which the athletes they're really catering like cooking because that's a way of controlling controlling the recovery so that was my point lanes. It was like is your recovery so like you sound like you. You'll recovery's actually like by second. Nature is your reading time. so that's time where grace gets to do her completely other allow brandon be smush with attention all the educator three nonfiction and is that something that's by ritual that benefit greatly from or something that you. I love to do always have loved to do if you're always love to fade since I was eight years old yeah. Sob I love reading I love I've always loved reading ordeal read enough. I read a book right now. That's all about like learning being about the pathway of Fish Tom yes cool. Khalsa Feta's is it cold some blue ocean are it's the Rhode Island when I'm trying to promote a wellness lost all but also for its incoherent and sustainable action that we will have responsibility planet this. This is a great book to understand fishing the problems that we have in the ocean right yeah but I do it as well as the recovery 'cause. That's what Brian just focus on one thing yeah in this world we focus our brains are getting split and we're just focusing on twenty five different things and finding the multitask and when you do that hat sometimes. You're just doing nothing while because you're doing so many different things at a time. Would you do that with your work. Do you do have to focus on one thing. I try to yeah well. Sometimes I'll be writing a blog post and then I realized oh I didn't do instagram story today so I'll stop and I'll do that. I try and batch tasks so if I get a batch of images ages bathroom photographer all set multiple posts up at one or I will go in and pull affiliate links for several different posts at a time so that I'm not just like going back and forth and back and forth. Have you listened to a podcast and reading the saint. No that sounds really hard. I think I know why hi could be just the one person or he can't do this. I can't do it bought. I think it's because the air of your brain actually not read this. The era of your Brian actually processes the near audio and tries to I guess comprehend what it somewhere. The plug causes say also reconstructs the coming off the page and so when you're doing those countries wants you physically on able to find. That's a perfect analogy. Wabi concerts with what we can't look two things at once now. You can't even the other night I was sharing hotel room with my friend who I do the podcast with and I was reading a book and she was getting ready to put music on and I totally just couldn't in concentrate on the book anymore because the music was on things like that so in your world will blood covers so many different topics. What what are you truly passionate about. What's what's your true fashion while box are definitely one of them because I think clean clean books locating seven books a month I would definitely say beauty and skin care and much tracking down like all the different like the best is products and things and also organic skin care because I think there's so many great like I've just learned about this new plant based retinal so and also really great anti-aging ingredients sir. I've always used and it's one of my products that is chemical so I don't feel great that I use it every night but I also don't mind I wanna like look look good glowing lobby work right so finding out like the natural alternatives. A lot of that chemical sets that we put on our our skin a your listeners generally interested in that yeah they are so don't get upset. If I talk about something that is not clean sure and do you find that also a transplant across like food like you gotta beautifully content what you do and so do you find it also interested from the site perspective like for example you all your warriors plant based or interesting natural natural stuff. I think they care more about natural. Although I'm learning more I went on Yoga retreat last year are and the shaft per Lauren Gary. She's amazing and everything she does is plant based and I had never eaten fully plant based for for for that at long show and she was just telling me all the bad stuff that's in chicken and fish and everything and she she gave me a list of places. I could go oh to buy my ticket and when I got home. It was very limited so very interesting really interesting. That's the thing like you we still continue to forget that will put body whatever whatever it is direct impact happened fullness but cognitively hormonally and physically so I kill listeners obviously again trusting Youth Youth Guas that make you feel the need to tell them about the best places together she could or do you kinda like the style and got the topic of food food. I don't I don't dive in quite as much I will say. This is like this is a great place to go or just make fun of myself if I'm eating something that maybe I know. Oh isn't the best showing you make like reality around yeah. I keep it real. I'm not because I'm not filed for like I'm not eating perfectly. They all the time we love good. Yes we do love. I love go. She's guided g the recently won't be fellas a friend Dr Buco and also service model and on that we just love those yeah speaking of love for the past seven or so minutes have been shopping as chatting yes so we have this beautiful shod. God ingredients is Swiss Chard College. I'M GONNA instagram this recording his Co.. Pretty thank you yeah. That's great so I think what's Great. I actually put this story myself talking about the full Ingraham spectrum of anything but the secret service charge so you have the leaf end and you've got the stock in now naturally the ingredients ingredients all the nutrients travel the store to get to the life and of North for to be it gets where it is. That's a follow the pathway now for that reason most of nutrients are actually in the store so whenever using ingredients John Chuck out the store interesting yeah so we're using the entire kit and caboodle here even if you've done one eight to stalk eight that part use it for compost because the plant will love you for tips as you say here you go all the leafy ends there. You go a little bit of texture in that. That's actually comes from the store that you go that. Nice Christmas Tech Show Yeah it's so pretty to have you ever worked with child before not really now so we got these. I just had a mask in the CEO Dean on the podcast well and he he brought with me follow Larry so deacons fom boom youthful this whole box essentially of body farmed ingredients and that's we have an abundance of vegetables really really cool cool so often. How would you say cool. GREIS PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH. I would say probably once a week maybe twice. I hi on once or twice more than the New York. The problem is I'm single and I don't have roommates so a lot of times if I'm having friends over I awoke like I hope so that dinner party a week acres so ago of flavors and I've been traveling pretty much since then. I what I'm like in a relationship or when I'm having a lot of parties and things around the holidays I took more okay but when is just for me. It's like oh I could go. PICK UP SUSHI around the corner or go to sweet green for a salad and that's just easier. There's no waste. There's no leftovers in the fridge that goes back five. Yeah what's more though what do you. What's what's your focus on food though like you you focus? Did you enjoy eating like I love. I grew up in a restaurant. You grew up in a row. Yeah conducted anymore way. I know Yes so my dad's shop. He is now retired but he's still make a lot. I I was just down there in Charleston with them so they had one of the best restaurants on Cape Cod for thirty seven or eight years. You will yeah yeah. That's awesome so I love. I love the like I maybe too much. I my favorite thing is trying different new restaurants in the city and yeah so apart from that aspect of everyone's a lot of questions on weight loss and wellness and things of that as well and what you work take a lot of a lot of work questions which like right now. I feel like I'm not in the best shape because I've been traveling on the road for the podcast so much so that question. No isn't as me laugh because I'm like. Why don't you go to like a fitness influence for this climb robot? What's your workout schedule. I'm like well. I went to raise the Anderson in yesterday and then I hopped on a plane for five days. It's almost like you become offs. bryce depress you. This is not the person you want. Ask Ask sales but okay. This is what I do. I do a lot of yoga. I love trees the Anderson in the city I run the I love being active sometimes when it gets really busy. I'm not as active lead like 'cause I'm just sitting at my difference yeah yeah so besides it's it's an interesting we talk about the importance of the recovery poll performance in general with health site and we always talk about body composition and that's always the thing in the health industry right now number one motivator what gets us to gym and exercise yeah now in the time. Now we look at you know some people motivated like straight by funds run at finance since like well okay if you'll know motivated by Your Body Charlton physically and mentally then your performance at work is actually dented by thirteen percent if you don't actually have an anti star rising so yeah some of the numbers they they got those guys do but make sense revolves back to what we do every day and you've got to keep on top of the twenty four hours a day of your personal brand. Yeah Edson questions liaising with clients and potential new brand open cheese. Doing your point costs yeah like it's a lot there's a lot and just active in mentally focused. Yeah you go to a a lot of old. Lada is fairly straight Danny Calhoun gradient yeah. You'RE GONNA work out well. Super Important wouldn't at least like out for like a half an hour walk if I know that it's going to be one of those days where I have too much to do. Yeah sure yeah argued that helps them on in general as well yeah. That's interesting to work from home. Yes how is that like. I really actually love it. I have a nice space and I like that. I can make coffee and like sit at my couch if I want to but I will go to house or coffee shop or something else. If I need to get out the how okay so does you do have that out. If you need to the option yeah like the gala concert. I can't work at home. I used to four hundred well. I had had a restaurant. I've been out of that moved to New York working from place to place even in the blistering middle window meal like Mint in Oakland so I have to go somewhere legally yeah stroke soon neo was set up meetings and stuff in the city so I always go into the city eddie at least once or innovate. Don't take a nice long walk for lines soups. Yes do you find yourself. You're meeting up with people who inspire you like not just an on sounds really generic but to bury yourself like to better your learning to understand. Did you actually reach out to people when you Kinda. Somebody's GonNa let you blind like Oh. I tried to so especially since starting my podcast. It's like reaching out to other podcasters or just people on social media that you think are are doing interesting of course. I think it's important for one of them. Is this girl well woman whatever Chanel Alexander she is a wellness. I guess a wellness instagram or and say we matt up and we took a soul cycle class together. We might and Got Salads afterwards. That's really cute yeah girls eight and then there's another pot of big pine castle sex dating podcast called girl's. GotTa eat and off who's done. It's actually Heseltine Ranting Greenberg reason arenas in the food space. That's cool and they are so funny so I just reached out and I was like I want you to know I listen to your podcast every week like you guys are so no funding and we ended up getting not going not doing an exercise class yeah for drinks loss. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah like. I wasn't like they wanted to leading question. I wanted to be a question of how you went about it. Yes to these days. Do continue to you know reaching out to someone I always say like flying away to make it interesting so you've done that. I would never reach out of someone's at Oh. Can I pick your brain because that's like my least favorite thing. Let me buy you coffee and pick your brain like no. I don't come at things genuinely from the angle of wine to make new friends is up for you like did you put yourself in their shoes assements about if always if grace reached out to me and she said X. What's going to make me feel like she's. She's a cool chick enough to like WANNA hang out yes. That's a really cool point. I think that everyone is really busy and I had never wanted just like I can. I get from you yeah right. You're actually I hate that. I hate it. There's a lot of that in New York and I it makes me run in the other direction. If I feel like someone is out to get something. What about like? Maybe as you've done this. What have you learned that completely has helped. Yes shape the way they do business. I think the biggest thing I learned this year. Is that everyone like. I know there's a whole like an so trite right. When I hear someone speaking be authentic be yourself but I really do think that there is so much to be said for being yourself and the people that I really admire most on the Internet and off the Internet are the ones that are just completely unabashedly themselves and are doing things the way that they want to stay true to themselves because I think there's so much sameness on the Internet. If that makes any sense. What are you doing mesmerized by this serving nuts in a hand without any oil yeah so what's driving furnaces. Roy Roasting is really technique to get the nuttiness out of the what is already not in the U. Essentially pullman dry heat sensor put on dry. Hay and what that does is is it strikes it extracts more moisture okay so you haven't not we have it's a little bit moisture in it and oils yeah and when you release more of the voice John concentrate what is already existing leave that in this case you have enough Leyla okay so we also going back to the hand out a little bit of watt one balsamic vinegar okay so just as toward the end of that shoe yeah you oughta raw shots. I'm not going to discuss that at the time but you're really beautiful colorful pan paypal with an array of leafy vegetables and the colors of those stories texture swoosh tastic amount of Robert Flattens Evans and all the different insulin sober five is that to our other side of everybody's nuts toasting so interesting very interesting learning so much uh we're gonNA play and he have to fly around about grace from one of us wants great tame. 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This is a really good dish for someone who needs code if you've got or even just someone who has a low immunity Indian general needs to set that Lonnie stomach bell because the grains really sound slava an abundance of just just fantastic wife getting you again Marco Bombing Welson Fed ready your mom tycoon ingredients and nutrients dispersal easily so given the law school toss adding a little bit of travel which is actually infused with some honeycomb so it's actually talion can is much as I speak take time. Liable says special out there are the best de la the food to stable so I've known about said Ed Breckenridge reliable at the time slightly but essentially it's honey infused with michaels with with trouble club that they're going to play this up by simply just transferring it so a really simple dish home. It's just chop and bryce charred. Yeah we add a little bit of video and from that we'll see a top of crunch without toasted nuts and then some Maka which makes any dish shift issues essentially it wouldn't you agree yeah you say Instagram Ront and you say beautiful dishes and then you say dishes chester with microbes and it changed the essentially the data so funny stroud. Uh So quick for around grades this. I'm ready and got what you morning your tape morning. Retain say wake up the first thing I do is i. I make coffee because I love coffee. Joe Decides how many data on this on the streets where coffee snob what kind of coffee and how do you make you press the button or do you have a ritual making Abreu. I haven't Espresso machine. I have the virtual align one and I love it. It's very easy again as so a single person like I'm not making a big pot. I want my one thing so I have that and then I it's weird. I like to get warm not hot so I put an ice cube in it uh-huh milk. That's yeah and that's and then that starts to yeah. That's my that's my big thing and then I'll do my skin care stuff. I feed my I can't I have a beautiful little Persian cat whose name is Tyrian and that's my warning. That's that's a love how simple you motivated coffee every single day. How do you do that when you will away. It totally changed his hotel room and just fade sometimes now. I have someone else's like you to your house like I'm one of your team yeah and if I do my morning routine it Kinda like I'm like aw in the morning not that I just need my coffee as long as I have my coffee. I'm good morning person now regard but I'm becoming more of one because I've gotten so busy that I'd rather get up early and get things done then be up late getting removed on. I feel like there's a victim mentality. When you're up late working ed line whereas if you get up early and get it done and then you can have your night to yourself. That's a lot better have a great morning much better than not. You shouldn't be doing when you what about what about your controlling. The controllable related philosophy to Mesa. I control the controllable by allied doing things that I focused on things that I can't control. I can't control what the reins doing. Bracket made sure that I bring on Bella before they that kind of stuff. What would you do daily the controls control and love that expression I would say there's two things the first is that. I always leave enough time to get up to what I'm doing so I'm not rushed. I hate being rushed well. I'm not I'm pretty quick at getting ready and whatnot but I leave today for example. I knew I had to be here at three. I knew probably only take a half an hour but I left forty five minutes early just because so I find that just leaving a buffer like always leaving fifteen eighteen to twenty minutes more than you think. You actually need to ask you why you don't want me. Life was the reason why I feel like it. Lets people down at throws off their schedules. You'll feel like it's inconsiderate. being late is one of my biggest sources of anxiety yeah. Wow that's a really good motivator. Yeah uh-huh. That's a really good ready. It's such a simple thing as well up deftly handle any better that has been spread very wide and what I'll do is like a never ooh is more important exactly exactly because that's what you're saying. When you are half an hour late to someone cool and of course things happen and like I live in Brooklyn and sometimes if I take a newborn just like a terrible terrible traffic backups bridge and sometimes the subway isn't running. has been all over the place but that so you leave early. Oh yeah yeah very very cool. Okay so what my favorite refi questions from this if you were food and ingredient or meal. What would you be in one what he's grill. I think the the very thing to say it would be that I'm an onion and there's layers to me but I really just want to be in trouble because troubles are so delicious everybody loves. I mean laundry like some people love me. Some people hate me now. I don't think anyone hates me. I hope not true Lasca this question of the first question but what is grace won't what did I want want Oh. That's a wide question. What I want right. Now is some peace and quiet. life is just been going so quickly so so. I'm taking Thursday and Friday off for the fourth. I'm just looking forward to some some quiet times downtime going to go to the SPA. Get a massage. Get a facial and just like out a little bit. I think sometimes in this world that we're living in and everything is you're so connected. You're on your phone. It's really nice. It's just take a break hundred percent. That's the hottest thing with probably would you do yeah. It feels like there's not a lot of bounce rod do builds putting the foreign down spending timeless friends and family making sure that if I'm having a conversation with someone I'm really present and that's something I have to work on. Internally is just like pushing all the other stuff out of in my head at an early focusing. I I think a really interesting question to you as like it sounds like you've got not one side of the coin one hundred thousand friends. You feel that way to do that my bosses some of them like. I have one. Hundred thousand bosses says they don't want me to get paid so funny but at the same time because you're so responsiveness people want it can make response what's of time to maybe family or friends that are close to you a little odd because you so on the time to relax you wanna be a half exactly yeah yeah and I feel bad because my friends will be all your home. Your friendly back like let's say oh no. I'm reading under my gravity blanket like watching like some bad. TV and that's what it is. That's just much time yeah yeah yeah. After the call I sorta talk to turn off to your friends and family but just take breaks clear. Though when I finish Asia worries the fish on us to Cook I love to cook. Wow So my dad. My mom was for US growing up because my dad was a chef and he would just be would not want to cut when he got home. Show for the family and my dad was cooking for everyone else. Did you notice a difference in cooking styles. Mama's more of a hundred cooed doc was more of a shift chef yeah yeah so. She made us a lot of like what what does she makes me a lot of just like really delicious things you cook at home like chicken green beans what have you and then he would be all fancy. I remember one time she was away and we wanted tomato soup and he actually took fresh tomatoes and started making the soup soup and I was upset because it was more orange than read. He's like you don't understand. This is made with real tomato like this. Is the real deal. Why are you getting upset with me and one of the Kellyanne Dan was like do you have another nostalgic memory and did well one time. They tricked me. Ah they were eating scallops and for whatever reason I was like. Is that a marshmallow I was very young and they're like yes it is and so they gave me one and I put it in my mouth and I was horrified because is it was not a marshmallow yeah. It's not only I've seafood for a long time like I didn't really eat seafood until after after college Houston. Lock it directly. If you went in there with the intention knowing it was a skull up your natural would be like uh sick news talk but I was expecting a Montebello Mos. I don't know because I think cloisters and lobster and crabs. I really just did not like them. When I was young Communicate Cohen Yeah. I know it's crazy. I hear that you are taste. Buds are just so much more sensitive when you're young and we're dying. Sorry Pallet get full of true. I didn't like vegetables growing up interesting. I can't get enough of the acting so yeah we don't know where Oriole's can we find more about grace outward. Obviously we've got greis out would that would yes we can pay yourself the STRAPS DOT COM yeah. Let's run through the stripe dot com or I have a podcast with one of my best friends and it's called bad on paper talk about that. What is it about so it started as a digital Joel Book Club every month. We live read every month. We we read a book and then Inbetween. We talked to interesting women across the industry so so it's we had one time we had on Elissa master MONICO. She was actually Obama's former. W We had Katie Serena whose body positive advocate okay we had the functionality. Andrew who is telling you about this a wellness blogger so kind of all over the all over the board and so that started as a result of reading books looks like we always talk about what's at the end of every episode. That's really cool. I love that I think it's such a genuine. It's reliable. That's an reliable thing hearing today you're reading and and the way the essentially built your way that you speak to people at ease through these kind of such awesome staging moment of our time educated that's really also and so if there was not three or four years the other track when describe food drives out with Russia. I think I wanNA keep doing what I'm doing. Growing it so my blog is always going to be my number one. The podcast weren't we've been doing these live shows and going on tour and yeah and we're doing eight cities in the fall. We haven't announced it yet this just in to this screwball groupon starting that and you know maybe down the road. I'd like to write a book but I don't know what it'd be about so until I have a clear idea. India you know buck and so you have the taunts actually trae we think about it out who so I think just hopefully doing both of those things and doing even better than you could. The book about almost like is this not a by the same standards podcasts. Dad's full getting like thirty people in the interview and you yeah like the same questions you ask yeah so like using the same book metality bringing women to forefront have been spine to the rest of the generations zero just tonight I want in. La You my I'm going to hire you ha- you don't have enough going on definitely not grace. Thank you so much for your time today. All right thank you for your word for being here is to enjoy on my goodness. I'm going to share that. That's huge. It's massive. This is the braised Swiss Chard God trump grace. Thank you so make sure you hit on instagram follow podcast. 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The Best of Times with Dennis DeYoung

Talk Is Jericho

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The Best of Times with Dennis DeYoung

"Talk. Ricco. Talk is Jericho to the pot of thunder and rock and roll, and guess what it's Friday, which means it is the Duff mccague joke of the week. And I know we can sure use a laugh to start our weekend especially after this week, so duff taken away. defecating calling you I hope he's doing well dude You know all things considering I don't know everything. I forgot to tell you I'd be for this. Pandemic staying home or order just got to direst. I before all happen. I met this girl in the park. She works at the the battery. there. Yeah, she sells thesell. But the see-saw. Take you very much goodbye. I wonder how long it took for duff to come up with that one I I considered a diabolical maniac who just sits in his room, are diabolical genius, and comes with these jokes, but I'm hoping you probably just goes to some kind of a website or whatever, but thanks the duffer bring the last every Friday and thanks to all you guys for hanging out with me on Saturday night since this pandemic started the Saturday specials going strong, we'll be doing it again tomorrow night at nine PM. Eastern, facebook, live and my official Youtube, channel. Channel Search Chris Jericho you'll find me in the show. It's going to be the Dave SPEVAK project high school reunion with rival and spe- we bring your questions. Bring your single on requests. Bring Your Bev's and come hang tomorrow night at nine PM. Eastern. facebook live and my official Youtube Channel right today. Dennis Deyoung is on the show, the original singer of sticks, one of the most unique and classic voices in rock and roll history. He's got some great stories about the band's early days opening for kiss writing some of their biggest songs Mr. And he's talking about why he's no longer in the band that Dennis also is a brand new studio album twenty-six east. That just came out recently he karaoke some of the songs with other rock and roll legend Jim. Peter of Survivor you know I the tie I tiger that's. What Dennis has to say about the state of music today, versus what it was like in the sticks, heyday in the seventies and eighties, and you're going to hear Judah sing with one of his songs. It's a fuzzy tune and super excited about it. It's coming up now. Talk is Jericho. One of the cool things about being a lockdown in this time as you get a chance to talk through lager from people including a man that I've never had the chance to talk with, but I've always been big fan of Mr Dentist. Young here, talking to you in Chicago maybe. And, guess what what? Joe. Wow. That's a good way to start it see. The perfect. Song. Thanks, Matt, appreciate that right then. I had a part in. A little bit in the lyrics, but melodies and And the music itself was written by the other guys in the band. Okay! Next time at video I wanNA. Be Clown in the background. Appreciate you checking. On Your Song Dude, I mean. Can You? You want to just take over. You want to be the new singer of fuzzy now. No Way, but I did one performance. You know when you were thinking of the Beginning Car Oh God. That would be the end of my career I've never seen. You. Know. Here's joke about. A guy like you saying, but those guys in those death metal band you know. Don't concert has ever been canceled because the lead singer had living Jarvis. So what do you think of that of mummies because you have such a great distinct voice? Always have and still do right now on your direct twenty six east. What do you think of those other types of music, the more of the heavier type stuff, and the the growl vocals, and that sort of thing. Hey, you know I love. I had the broadest taste in music. You'll ever get Chris and it doesn't matter to me anything that's well done I'm into a guy in our one of our Guitar Guitar Tech, he He loves this stuff and he gave me a whole bunch of stuff to listen to. And Rob from He's up in Wisconsin. And and I listened that now. Okay I you know a lot of Bass Drum. How those guys played those drums like that, but it's really you know it's technically quite good, but other than that you know I'm a melody man in like the major, so I tend to like stuff that has melody and That's just me I guess it's because it's what I do, but That's always been my my number. One concern when writing songs as here's what I do, people ask me. How do you go about this process? This is all I've ever done. I found some chords okay, and then I I put some notes on those chords that sounded right to be, and then I attached lyrics to those note. And I gave the listener might point of view about my life, and what I saw around me, hoping that they would find themselves in my story. That's all I've ever done. That's what a songwriter does. He's hoping that he will eat whatever he creates. The audience will say well. That's not the song about Dennis. That's my song. That's what you tried to do. You gotTA. GotTa try to connect the that in that way, and that's the truth. Because when people say, what are the lyrics mean to this? Or what are the lyrics to that? It's kind of like what do they mean to you? How do you identify with them? And how do they relate to your life and what you're going through? Yeah, because people here so lucky I am. I go places now. Wherever I play, conserve say I was supposed to be the hard rock in Cleveland till everything went. You know belly up and if I want to Cleveland people. They got a chance to talk to me or they'll go on my facebook page. They'll tell me stories. About. How much I was involved in creating changed made their life better, and I think who's luckier guy than me. I'm seventy. Three and people are just telling me this usually seventy three year, olds. We're trying to kick them to the curb, and yet strangers will come up to me and thanked me for coming to Cleveland, as if I'm there with the Red Cross I'm there because I'm a jobbing musician out on the road. You know but people. Hell the music from that period that I that I performed in essentially the seventies early eighties they they hold it in such reverence, because at that time music was was central to all young people's lives, and I was lucky to live that time lucky, it'd be born in that era to make music, so charmed life when it comes to that so when people come up. Up and tell me Yeah you know that story in that song. This is what happened to me. Man In my lucky guy at these to you. You mentioned the timeframe Kinda that sticks was was so huge. It was really a golden age in rock and roll for that late seventies early eighties along with the foreigner, journey and speedwagon, and all these bands that are still. Touring to this day and drawing. Thousands of people. Yourself included as a solo act. Was it the radio that made it so special at that time frame? Or what was the connection there? I like to think it was symbiotic. We made music all of those bands during that period of time. That was I say accessible. It was the kind of music people liked. A lot of people just love that kind of music those bands if you think back and if I had any criticism of modern rock I'll tell you in a minute, but in that period almost every band that you would listen to had what I would consider as a unique singer. Somebody who could. Singers rock singers, but they could thing. I think that was part of it, but you can never ever discount. The radios importance because. If you made it grates on. Nobody ever heard it. Would it be the point in fact in my life? I can point to the perfect example I wrote lady, which was the first song I ever wrote by myself and saying on a record, it was for the very first sticks album, but guy who owned the record company wanted to record four other songs that had nothing to do with US outside writers, one of them believe it or not was George Clinton. Can you imagine wow? Title the kept lady off the first album, but when it was on the second album, and it was released, it was a stiff. It was a terrible record company that had no ability to promote anything, and that album had five songs on it that were all mine of the seven that were recorded and honest to God. Chris I. Thought People hate what I do. Cause Lady was an expression of what I just do. and so consequently two and a half years later quite by accident, wls starts to play the song for for lots of reasons, but if wls doesn't start to play lady, two and a half years later, which you know in popular music is like ten. The song became a worldwide hit if they hadn't played that, Song. I wouldn't be talking to you on this phone. So the relationship between the music and the radio was so violent, so important and the first song on this final album that recorded this twenty six east L. is called east of midnight, which is really a tribute to listening to music gun. You know with the little radio under your pillow when you're supposed to be in bed and dream, the dreams that that music brought to your mind so radio and this is why. When Servino from frontiers records said I, want you to make new record. He bothered me for three years I. said I want to Servino because rock and roll music has no radio outlet anymore, and that's how I would reach my fans so i. didn't WanNa make this record, but Is was so vital to everything that happened to us. Both things had to work hand in hand. There's a lot of stuff to talk about from what you just said, but let's talk right now. Does he said twenty-six? Your final studio album. This is kind of and I know the frontiers the mid these this guy he puts out records by so many great bands. It kind of gives guys a second chance, and he's putting together super groups and all this other stuff. So how did he? How did you get on his radar? In the first place to start, convince you to do your final record. Ideally Video Guy Kids. You can go to what it's on. Youtube Dynasty on and the music is sticks live in La. It was for an access TV show. That recorded it with my band. And I took ownership of of the thing after we did. It was part of the deal. Serafino came along out of the clear blue and said I'll I want to promote it? Make too deep a DVD to album. Thing he did was a beautiful package that was the end of and then right after that he came to me, and it kept asking me Dennis make a new studio album and I says surfing I. Don't see the point to it. so anyway, my buddy Jim Pediatric road either tiger who's been survivor, and he was the singer and songwriter vehicle. He lives three blocks from me, and he him and Serafino t one day and Jim kept saying to come on. Come on the world needs your music. I said half the world text me. I don't really don't believe that. So anyway, he warned down. He wrote this this demo of a song. He was writing called run for the roses. I. Heard it, and they said well. That's a hunger dude. Let's get it together and see if we can finish the song before you knew it. We'd finished eight songs, and so it went onto record about eighteen songs over two years and half of them mind half of them in Jim and Somebody came down. to to whittle them down for twenty six east, which by the way is the address of my parents home where nucleus of sticks was formed in nineteen, sixty, two, the financial brothers, John Chuck lived across the street from me three kids in that basement of that house. Form The band for me. You know it's like full circle right right? Are there and I figure that's where it should end. You mentioned the first song of the album east of midnight. It's great rock and roll tune very sticks Dennis Deyoung esque. We're GONNA. Talk more about that song as some great tunes. You wrote with sticks as well, but I got to talk about why dinner is so. In my house one reason Omaha steaks, I loaded up my freezer with Omaha steaks on the pandemic I. And we've been working away through our stash. We're about halfway through. 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Recognition, Houston midnight it's it's a great rock, roll, tune and its. Borders on Prog at times, which is sticks always had that influence. To it, are you a fan of prog? Rock is one of the band's the seventies that was like a yes or like a rush that was able to kind of bring that style of music more into the forefront. I think. We formed in nineteen seventy with the final members. Emerson Palmer yes. Moody Blues Whatever they were all coming to the fore general, Tulsa, his stuff and i. liked everything English in another thing Keith. Emerson much heard the sizes they said. Hey, here's a chance. Reckon compete with to show up guitar players. So, yeah, we kind of adopted that we were never a prog band all the prog diehards. We know what they're like. Gosh! We never intended to be. We were just been at heart. That was an American rock and roll band. Who did probably things from time to time, but when you think about it? Yeah like the music, but you know it's like this. We were really in American rock and roll band, and we did so many different thousand music's well our career. That I think it's tough to categorize us, but in the beginning I would say you. We were kind of a rock and roll prog band, and that's what we did. You had a great mix two of these really like you said Radio, tight balance, but also a great rock and roll. It was just listening to. America the other day where you're not singing on it, but there's just this crazy keyboard solo in the middle like you said where you're able to compete with the with the loud mouth guitar players. Was it fun for you have both sides of that coin to be completely rock, and then have a really sweet ballad like babe or lady like you mentioned. It was intentional. I think you know. People think they thought this through no. Stupid! You know they were just making stuff up. As we went along and whatever we wrote, we had three writers three singers at times. And whatever we wrote as what we wrote. So, no, I mean. The baby was never even even written for sticks. It was I I did a demo. and was a birthday present for my wife Suzanne. That's how it was, and then it turned out so good that the record company wanted it was never written for sticks, but I what I like about music is variety. That's my choice. I like that I mean you can have abandoned doing renegade and doing babe, and Mr Roberto, what those three songs have been and Chris Nothing. So, I liked that a buck sticks. We were. We were like we were like Carol Burnett show. We were variety so when I look back at what we created as a group. I think hey I can be I can be proud of but as a job. Well done there, you kids. I mean you know Fr from five guys didn't know nothing. You did okay. Now people come to me and they say oh. This song it means so much to me. How that you know what I was feeling? Like forty years later. They say this I think what I think you know this. You are a competitor in everything you do. Are you not? Absolutely when you're in that ring. We were in that ring to back. Then we thinking about the music that sixty year olds would be coming up to me and telling me about we were in the ring. We were just trying to beat Queen and Aerosmith for God's sake. They come over here. He's got a new Sean I. Don't WanNa do the figure figure grapevine out him. I mean really you know. We're in the middle of it. Baby, which sweating like you in that ring they can. HOW ARE WE GONNA win? was there a lot of competition amongst bands back then between the Basim? Selves, obviously between the record companies do. Oh, my God, there was. It's just like what you do. Think Baseball this competition. There's only so many slots on radio station. Right whatever it is. Everyone was competing. To get hurt on the radio. That's how you reach fans. No enter the kids. You know what I mean. Nobody would nobody would texting somebody h this bend out. You had to call him on the phone and talk to about it when you're at lunchtime and ice school, so we relied on the radio and we were all. In competition. That's what we were trying to do. Make the best music we could make new I. Always tell the story first time I saw Bohemian rhapsody. It was on Friday night videos and they haven't heard the song. Now clean second out first album came out a year after sticks his first album. I bet you didn't know that. Did you? Chris I never heard clean. Until nine, hundred and seventy-five didn't know who they work right. So I'm watching when you talk about competition, right? You see a wrestler, right? That's doing something minute. dudes doing doing that. Saying look bad right right? I'm watching Friday night videos and Bohemian rhapsody comes on and I watch and I go. Oh. I, said man what the heck was that that's something but the good news for the rest of us was as good as queen was. Nothing was ever Bohemian rhapsody. It was just that special, but that's the feeling you get. You know like buying 'em guys. How am I? GonNa top Bat. That's what you're doing. You inspiration to try up your game as well absolutely what you're working and move all the time. Are You well yeah? Everything moves, and like you said the different podcasts are different songs. You always WANNA. Continue to push yourself to become a more complete artist. For your fans as well I mean I'm GonNa get you a year. It depends. I mean obviously this year we had to postpone a tour as well just like you did, but we've done probably one fifty to one eighty gigs petur cycle, so that's over eighteen months, beard or so, how League! How men a load baby? Well I'm sure you guys did the same back in the seventies and eighties to yeah we. We usually did around one hundred ten hundred. We never really did. We did one thirty, but you know we. We didn't do that many but the bachelor low. You're doing now. How the pipes hop holding up. Pretty good. I've been pretty blessed with a with a stronger voice, so we we do five days a week to off, and until I start feeling a little bit frayed. That's Kinda the best way because you know how it is Dennis nowadays to stay on the road I mean a day off. You still gotta pay the band. You got to pay the crew. You gotTA put gas in the tank so just from financial standpoint, the more gigs. You can do the better if you're on an actual tour, absolutely and I. When people ask me about an listen of course might. I plan this Christmas in case you didn't notice it. I worked on this album for two years. When would be the perfect time to release the first single? Let me think how about a pandemic perfect. Did, that had this to Aurora plan, and of course we all know that when people ask me, what about the tour I I do refer them to my new tour. Manager, the CDC. Actually I don't know if you know you're you're you're Qatar player Steve Brown? I know he filled in for some gigs. He's actually very good friend of mine. Steve He you know He. He's fantastic he's. We've done some work together. I just played a keyboard solo one and its newest project and he he's so great that he feels in for either. My my players that are on toured normally with either August or Jimmy Lee, so he's. He's you know he's a Whiz Baby? He's real deal now. Absolutely absolutely you. You have agreed bags is some great parts. You gotta play in all of those songs, but you mentioned to me as well talking about. How does your pipes up at seventy three years old? I mean on this record. You sound exactly like you always have the live clips I've seen. It's the same. How are you able to hold up because you've got quite a high range for a lot of those songs? As a singer. How old are you? You're not a kid anymore. How old are you? I'm forty nine. Okay. I didn't drink I didn't smoke. I didn't do drugs. That's that's step number one. You gotTa have some dumb stupid luck in life. What the way my voice sounds in the way I'm able to sing. Is something that I protected and was very careful with I was told people no drugs, no alcohol and Blah Blah Blah Blah it will might kids were bad? I hired Olga the big Ukrainian woman to yell at them. But. I ask for a guy like you know you do sing, but when you do that Moore that stuff. I wouldn't have lasted. If I tried to do. Just my voice doesn't work that way. I have to be. Careful what I do and particularly WanNa Miss Message. You know I do three shows in a row. Sometimes mostly, it's two times a week. Fridays and Saturdays. And you know because. I'm doing a lot of songs as You well know where I'm by myself was one instrument nowhere to hide if you know what I mean. It guitars the banding crash. It's just me might piano and a spotlight, so under those circumstances. There's no you know. There's plenty of room for failure, so I really am very careful, but when it comes down to it. I was lucky to have to have this voice, and so I protect it. There's no other there's no other explanation. Would you were touring? Candidates sticks his height. Did you go out a lot with other bands or you? Basically just touring on your own or nowadays? It's all the package and there's two or three bands on the bill. What was it like back in the days that when you guys were at your peak well, you know if lady on the first album. And it was played. The whole trajectory of the sticks band would have been different in one thousand, nine, hundred seventy two. Everyone would have been aware of us. Would ever think that we came after Queen or foreigner, right lost or Kansas we were years before those people, but because a local record company and it was the worst. We suffered it obscurity. So, we will what I used to call the very best unknown. Backup Band on the circuit. We backed up kiss and Aerosmith ands easy and Seger Union name them. Okay, we back them all up. And then we recorded in seventy seven, the grand illusion album, and we really went to the east coast with the very first time, and we're on tour with Aerosmith and couple of other people. We were just so good. It was ridiculous, and so when the people like the spectrum in Philadelphia hurt us for the first time in Aerosmith, their heads were pinned back. And after the grand delusion broke, then we became headliners ourselves, so we had a long painful trajectory to get to the top. And many ways I'd be the only thing about it. That was valuable. was you didn't get it everything all at once and we go to your head where he which start believing that you. You deserved it. I would say. Nobody deserves nothing in this world as far as I can tell. You either earn it or you don't either get it or you don't. There's no. There's no burning. No fairness as we find out right now. We are big globs of pizza and coffee, spinning the universe in when I try trying to think convince yourself. We're in control. We're not. So. There is no fairness. There is no view. Deserve this I. Don't buy into that, so we had a long as I say road to the top. And valuable lessons were learned. The only thing I. I say bemoan is that people don't understand that style of music that we did in nineteen seventy two was unique to us. We were doing. You know that that mixture of music with those high screeching bulk and. We can do live. There isn't a song. We played that we couldn't play light. That's what I always liked about us and there. You Go, so we played with everybody. who were some of the bands that you played with that? We're just on fire. At that time. We played with them all. The. What was it like opening for kiss for example in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety seven. Kicks Fans. Dare I say. They were like. Politics today. You joined. A club or retried? Right like we do today and people are fanatical and kiss tempted into. An adolescent male audience. And they. Beep. Gene Simmons. Who I know I think he's a genius. I mean he just is. He's a smart guy about so many things and that whole thing that they did. when we first played with them, here's here's. Here's a good story. Gene Simmons Gym. He's got a memory. I was talking to him last time I saw him Adam sandlers party. And he and I said to him. Do you remember the first time we met? And he said just like this rapid city South Dakota. I said wow. Neither of us, were anybody who seventy-three never heard kiss. They were in the bar we came in. And we we're. We were shooting the breeze because the the. The concert and I think it was canceled because it was a torrential racer just talked about ten fifteen minutes. That was it I never heard of them. And even know they did make an all that stuff. So you know next time I saw him were backing him up. And when I saw the show and Oh my God, it was the biggest loudest. BRASHEST thing that I've ever seen in my life. of course Jean would probably admit I. would that he owes something some of that stuff. They all scooper. which was the first guy to do that thing and spades? But. Gene in his band, Paul, and the guys tapped into that atlas and thing I. Remember. We came on stage. I think it was Cobo in Detroit and we came onstage in everybody. You know people who painted up like the band and you're thinking Oh, man. Being opening it for any popular band was not an enviable job. You know what I mean. Right 'cause here hear. Or whenever the band was, you know because they don't know you and you come on, you better be good while we were good and so the thing I. I always think about the kiss audience. When we played in front of visit, nobody booed, and as far as I would consider. That was a victory. You WanNa. Hear a crazy stuff anyway. Let's talk about my album. I can tell you these were stories forever. I should briefly touch on twenty six. Of course we're going to touch jerseys but I do and you. Did you listen to the record at all I did I did I. With all respect, that was a great tune. who has a really cool kind of almost? Like a Scott beginning or something like that, it's. Very. Unique intro to that song. Did, you laugh with all due respect you are. No, but that's what I mean. I love the fact that you have this album. Because you? Know at seventy three years old, is this going to be just an album full of Babes and ladies, and you come out of the gate with some killer like I, said rock and roll Prague for the first track and kind of heavy second track stuff. You're definitely still rock and very much on this record at the stage of the game. You know the thing is. People sometimes. Forget that Lady Rocks Come Sail Away Rob Met Him Blue I mean are sticks as fast track AOR track. You Know Radio Rock and. That was not released as a single suite. Madame blue. I wrote that. Song I did rock a lot. I had the I. Think the Good Fortune. To write some hit ballots that people really loved and so sometimes. It's like anything else. It's typecasting right right, or you have big success with something that an audience that isn't familiar with everything you've done I. wrote the Grand Delusion Right. John that's a rocker. I. Did all that stuff? that. Should Baby you know in the only wrote Babe? Yeah I did and but I wrote all the other rock or so. This album is really a combination and right at the old sticks. Fans that like the little variety on the records, but they want the prog e the and wanted all I tried to give it to them, and and that's what That's what you hear it on this record and you say this is volume one so so because you mentioned you. You did eighteen songs to the so you have volume two locked and loaded and ready to go as well. I had a couple I. I had like eight songs written. They'll probably be two more all recorded. because, the record company. All the songs I said they won't. You can't put them on one record, so it was their idea to divide them up and I said. Is there money involved? They said yes Chris Great Motivator. That money have you ever noticed it really is. Okay, then I have an extra. An extra order of fries because we're GONNA divided into two album. A song on your new record twenty six that you do with Julian Lennon WanNa, talk about that, but I wanNA take care of another sponsors China. Take Care of you guys. Big. Thanks to our friends. Endurance Warranty Endurance protects you for spending thousands of dollars on your car breaks down now breakdowns happen. I know it sucks when they do protect yourself for potential repairs and endurance now dot com slash Jericho endurance pays mechanics directly for parts and labor and cuts out the Middle Man. 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Can you imagine the chip on my shoulder? Anyway, So. I thought who would seeing this on with me. And it's out about jewels. And then I realized he can't sing this kind of song so I said wait a minute. I want to write a song for Jewison I sing. I went to the piano when I wrote to the good old days the demo. I send it to him. I don't know. I never met him. Then, it was business manager. Never expecting response. And he said he'd be honored to do it. We met in New York. They did the track I came home and mixed it there. It is I love. It couldn't be happier, girl. We'll wherever you go kids to listen to music I. Don't hear you know slap. Chop Smack Jack I mean literally you go. Apple crunch. You know twitter I. Don't care and. The listens on Youtube I think for free. There's no video. The video is coming that we're supposed to be but guess what happened Chris. Renwick. Everything happened so. Yeah a lot of the tunes, but that's the thing though Dennis when you're talking about the listening to music wherever you can you know in this day and age? You're music is basically just an advertisement for the live show. Crime is that crazy? I mean there's no. Wait a minute. I'm telling you. I lived at Gritty Talk. Greatest time in the history of mankind musician never before never after we'll so many cats and chicks half the opportunities we had the kids today. Rock has been dead for ten years. Nobody informed it because. The delivery system? Rock Radio is wet rock radio. And you know if you're expecting people to go to the Internet to make their choices. That's too much, and so now the Internet because it technology. This idiotic notion that music. Should be free developed no. Wait a minute, I. Music should be free along with mortgage payments bananas in Radio Tires. Brian well, if you're absolutely I mean like you said Dennis I mean. Our first album came out in two thousand, and that was right at the end of record companies, actually giving bands actual money for record deal, but back when? In anytime ninety seventies eighties, a band would have revenue streams from the live show from the merge and from the records. Now that's gone completely. Yeah, look. You better. We better not get in front of their train because of Aroldis that happened. It was allowed to happen. And now you have people who by and large with nothing to do with the investment. Owning the music and licensing it to strangers. So musicians can be paid nothing now listen. I'm not talking about you. GotTa Make Musicians Millionaires? That's not what I'm saying. But when somebody gives you the joy that I know, music gives you. You should compensate them in some way, so they can have the opportunity to repeat Rinse and repeat the process, so you can get more joy, but the more bands in particular. That's why pop is so popular right now because it's one person, but when you have four or five people relying on income to exist, it's GonNa. Make it very very difficult and I'm not saying. Musicians like you said. has to be overpaid, but they gotta be paid. Positions cannot exist. I'm performing alone. Because the this model is upside down. You used to tour because people know your music if they don't know your music. How can you tour when you have the luxury of having you know forty years of of a huge fan, base and giant classic rock and roll songs behind you, so but like you said for a newer band coming out. How do you amass that fan base? It's such a vicious cycle. How do you get people in the venues to hear your songs? To get paid if you can't get your music out to them for them to hear it, and it's just over goes around and around and around simple scoundrels in robber, barons and people who think all things should be free. You know and I know what adults I'm a very old one. But we know this. If somebody says something free you better check the fine print. Somebody's paying somewhere. This idea that developed that you could produce a product which is really what music is. That should be free. You know and I used to tell people. When this began with the file-sharing. I said you know this is going to be the end of this thing. And of course, a lot of people write about rock musical. No nothing let me just clarify that for the most part they're going to tell you. Know, we can finally get away. You know from the man 'cause. That's their whole thing. Oh, we're fighting new stabbing the man. We CD's to man you know what I think. Everybody said this already. You're the man you signed a record contract with a multinational corporation, right? Product that would be sold you're the man is idiotic. It's it. It's a grand delusion. Musicians. It's a job. It's a great the best. Ya, they make music. They played concerts. To give joy. To people who are in need of it, are they not now more than ever. Yes, now more than ever to the good old days. Good segue gets up. What's IT GONNA? Be Like you are able to go back on tour. What type of a makes you play of this new record with all the great songs that are on it? And then of course all the great songs in your catalog from sticks. I found that so many bands like myself artists. My Fan base is rightly in love with the music of their youth. That made them feel good about their life and what they do when they come to see me eighty five percent of them by their. For Nostalgia? To feel that the capture that spirit 'cause music can do that for you. I've often said I can hear certain songs from my youth I can smell things. That I can smell the smell I associated debts on. With the middle of summer, perhaps in the way, the tree smelled in my neighborhood. That's what music does it attached to memory? And that's what they want. They WanNa hear I can name you the fifteen hits that they they. They WANNA hear. NFL offer them a chance to. Say New Music. Most dreaded words to a classic Rock Fan. You can play song. From new album which we will, but that's a great time for those people to get up and take a bathroom break. You see you know that, right? It'll music especially from someone who has occurred forty years, but we'll put it in. We'll, we'll makes it up, so you're GonNa get the majority of things that you really paid to see now if I go to see an artist different. And I love the and they decided not to play three or four hits that I'm there to see. That's a disappointment and I understand it I'm no different than you. I want to hear the songs I love. I read some that Paul McCartney said once it was I. always think of. He said whenever I play a new song I always give the audience a spoonful of sugar afterwards and play something that classic so I think if you give them that spoonful of sugar. After you do a new song or right before you do new song I think people will be more apt to to to check it out because they're all. It's all great stuff, but like you said the word new song is that you could say to a classic. Rock, Fan I do think. I followed McCartney. Whatever you I do so I agree you've got to put. You just can't say. Gentleman here's four owns from my new album to start a show. That's A. that's a good way to end your career. You know because people are thinking. Wait a minute. Because without radio, they don't even know those four songs for the most part, so you're asking people to listen cold to something. That's a lot to ask. Especially from an audience that in my case, people are late forties through the early sixties. They know what they like. That's why they're there, so let's talk about your fan base and the sticks fan base because you're out there touring Dennis Young. Doing your tune sticks tunes, and the other guys out there also touring sticks, but you've got the voice. They've got the name I WANNA. Talk about how that affects your fans as it confuse them to. They have to make choices, but before we get to that and they just say thank. Thank you to another fine talk Jericho sponsor. Rocket Mortgage by quicken loans home today is so much more than it was yesterday, but rocket mortgage home is still all about you. During these challenging times roll experiencing the top priority at rocket mortgage is the health and safety of the communities they serve, and while things are changing quickly every day. One thing that's never going to change their team's commitment to giving you the best mortgage experience possible. 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It's interesting when you have. kind of a split with with with sticks and sticks still out on tour on one side of the coin, and you're on the other side, but you. You got the voice and they've got the name. Does that confuse people ever? Do Your fans pretty much know that this is Dennis? Diong, the man in here is type thing. Computers me. Back in nineteen, Ninety eight after we had two huge success, hugely successful, reunion tours and ninety, six and seven. Ninety eight got sick. I had I got influence A. And as we know, now, these viruses do damage that's not just short term, but also long term and I developed what I didn't know at the time was light sensitivity. From this rotten flu that I could not shake. And so the next year or so I was just. I was I thought I had chronic fatigue. I couldn't get a diagnosis. The guys. What there. Only three of us left. It wasn't a band. It was Tommy, G. Y. and myself. We start making a new album. I'm doing it really out of my sickbed, but we're getting there. And then they wanted me to commit to a tour, and then during that period I discovered that light was what was making me fatigued, so I started wearing sunglasses, and staying out of the Sun and I was getting better, and I said give me you know. Give me another six months to recover finishes album ready to go Tommy G.. Y. decided they gave me the ultimatum. Show up on this date. Rehearsed with the tour or we're going to replace you. That's what they did and store. They told after that any comparable story. About Mr, Abbado or ballot or anything else is a smokescreen to cover up the fact that those two guys. Be placed the sick colleague. Now. Here's the joke of it all. Over the last twenty years I was left and I had to kind of rebuild my solo career, which I have done with the help, Tim Orchard a guy who was my manager, but if any of all those other stories about. You know in the two thousand behind music thing. They started to relitigate. The Kilroy tour and Mr Rowbottom. Why would they do that some twenty three years later? Well. Tommy quit during the Kilroy tour in nineteen, eighty, three to pursue a solo career. He left US behind. The four of US went. You're quitting, you know. We were one of the biggest bands in America right. And off it went will J. why John and Chuck said. Let's replace them. They were so mad. Let's replace Tommy Shaw Nineteen. Eighty four. I said what? I mean I thought that you would need some self awareness as to how the sticks success story where it was based, and it was based primarily on Tommy me. And I did not want the responsibility of replacing him. And I told him that, but they every six months jail. Why would call me and say let's go, let's do it. Let's replace May said No. So I guess that loyalty was replaced in Nineteen, ninety nine when he placed the pant. But that's the true story, and if I'm land I'm dying. was there some animosity to lead to that? Mean pretty blindsided by that whole thing animosity where animosity from them towards you to like. They said if you needed some time. All the guys, they didn't have a job. Yeah, out of a job Tommy and I got show record contracts. Right? AM picked up the options on what they call key man Klaus. We got to make records. Nobody. Else did so yeah. They were mad, but the fact is I did not want to try to reunite without Tommy I think Tommy and together makes magic. Not Denigrate. The other guys and everybody was responsible for the sound of those records the personalities. The playing styles made with sticks was but. The creative event. I mean primarily from me. And from Tommy and I knew that and I wasn't going to change that. because. I grew up in Canada from from from Winnipeg. Canada and Gallon was pretty popular in the eighties with a couple of on criminal mind was one of his big songs strange animal so when he got the GIG. I was like wow, that's like a one of the few guys that can actually sing those parts and plays keyboards. As well. Interesting. Choice for them, did you? What did you think of that? I have to be careful. Here's what I would say about Larry He's been best lawrence cowering in the world yeah right. I'm the best dentist. And nobody even comes close. I defy anyone to listen to these little phone. Things right go to Dennis. The in the music stinks. Live in La and listen. That's the way that guy sounds. Areas a wonderful guy is a good keyboard player. I wrote those songs. Nobody seems them like me. Not even close. The addition of Larry has taken the most loyal fan base in the world and divided viciously right, so people are super cruel. To the members of sticks. Of that move. And I think Larry is he's taken his I would say fair share of criticism once again Larry Be Larry. In Dennis. That's my job and nobody sounds like me, not even close. If I had been in sticks at the time and voted to replace me, I would have went out. Even if the guy didn't play keyboards and I would have got a singer. That saying the living heck out of this stuff. And if I had to get another keyboard player, if I couldn't get it in the same package, fine, right that's I would have done but look. They did what they did. But. Because of that. I think I had a very extreme. I compete with them wherever we go and I don't have the name I compete with them Chris. I do. And I think it was a benefit to me. That, they hired. Lawrence, in what way was it a benefit because I play the entire sticks catalog. Unashamedly unabashedly, which contains all of time. He's great songs. 'cause I got I got a guy that sounds like dummy. Gotcha. They don't have a guy that sounds like Dennis. So. I take the advantage and not only that the songs, but you got me. Remember. Of the. Top Ten singles I wrote and sang seven of them. Before Tommy joined, we had hit record and a gold album and recorded an album that would go on. To sell two and a half million copies called equinoxes well. Tommy was playing Acoustic Guitar. And a bowling alley and Alabama when we called him. And then after he'd left, we did. This century, which had a number three hit. Show me the way that's right. Yeah! They gave us hits in three decades. How about that, because it was like nine hundred ninety I? Believe or something like that right and I need my new one. Yeah! That's that's my feeling on this thing. Not. That's not to say that you can't like the new incarnation of sticks. Who Am I? Tell anybody how they spend their money to be entertained. I get it if you like it, you like a dog wanted. To say about it. So right now. You listen Larry's lady unless missing it. It's not a not. The. And I feel bad for Larry. You know I mean. He gig. He knew there'd be some criticisms, but that fan base which was so beautiful, has been torn to shreds. They divided into camps and I hate that sticks wasn't about the individuals was about the collective right very much so very much, so to twenty six kids. Pick it up. You can go listen to the East Midlands to work. You know like I said I tunes are Amazon or spotify and listen to it that if you like it. Download it and keep me keep the music live and go see the gigs, and by the t shirts, and all that sorta stuff absolutely. Even. Care you probably have t shirts the music. That's what I t shirts because people like to have a souvenir but me. It's not you know I'm not a Haberdasher right. And it I teach answer or coffee mugs I'm selling music. It's great all right Oh God. Don't move. The Real Dentist Young Leading his sister in the door. There is. Their! Story. So. My sister. I'm doing this video for to the good old days. It's going to have home movies. That's my life. Right photographs everything going back to the three guys who started the band. You know what I mean federal mental stuff for bring a hang. If you you know and and so my sister who I hadn't seen of course in a month. She shows up in the driveway up. there. And bringing me photos. I go out to the car. She's dropped the photos latour. He's in the driveway with her husband. Jim And She's. She's talking to me and she takes her hands out, and she's got rubber gloves on a mask. It's unbelievable. Can you believe this? Isn't it crazy when you think about that? All my God I give you, but I don't WanNa die. What do you think this is going to change the way that people go to see concerts? How do you think is going to affect the music industry when we do get back up enrolling to whatever the new normal is? To scare the depth of the audience for some time, so they figure out if we have a vaccine and a cure in this way that you'll get the flu, but you won't. You only really sick Lodi like always right? People will gradually come back. Not Not I don't think they're gonNA come back in a rush. To civically my audience Chris, my audience is older, right. It'd be careful, so I'm thinking. This is easily a year. It's heartbreaking for me to say it. But I don't see a way around it because people are going to be scared. Why wouldn't they be scared? You know how many people you know. How many people? Actually staying in their house now you're always gonNA. Get some mooks and morons, right? We're going to defy it because they know better, they don't know. That's it. They're invisibles. If we stay away from each other, we gotta chop. which has to stop this so when he got to do that. Nobody wants to I. DON'T WANNA do it I hate this, but we're gonNA. Do Right so. If that passes will be in good shape, but I think it's GonNa take time for people to get. Comfortable with the notion that something invisible, not let me ask you. To The ring today he'll be wrestling. I didn't visible wrestler. Nobody wants to do that, do they? You Wanna be able to see and touch your enemy. And that's what we're fighting. Something we can't see. The last few questions for you Dennis of all the tunes on this director, which which is your favorite The favorite on the album? It's hard to say because they're all your kids, but which one stands out, or which few of them stand out for you well, obviously, the Julia Lennon Song because it's it's my heart. It's my reason for being. After that. I really love with all due respect. You are a whole. That's great. Yeah, okay! I mean that's just it that I would say like run for the roses. And kingdom ablaze. I love those songs All of them are good. It's just you know emotionally and I. Think you just like them when you're doing them, you think Oh. Man, this is. This doesn't suck. Right, and that's what you're looking for here and I. I told Jim Peter who I work with his album. This is a concept album and the concept is. Don't suck. That's pretty simple and did a son Matt who's my LV. eight played drums on to the good old days so full circle, right, father, and son, father and son Ned Nice. Very, Nice. Absolutely! Absolutely, what's your listeners? You can go. On Youtube or whatever it is you do it type it in. It'll be there and you can listen. You can say. Oh. That's bat. Thank you, no, thank you. That's what the good thing is and so getting back to what people like and what they don't like. Spending your money where you WanNa, spend it, but makes you happy would come. Because as we now know. Life is he federal and much too short? And at any moment, disaster could strike, so enjoy the moment you can. With the ones you love the music you love. And now that you're. Really spending quality time with your family. Please don't try to kill them. Kidding right. Last couple of questions of what's your favorite stick song to sing to this day I? Don't care I swear to God by planes by seeing something. And people. Go, mental. I'm happy. What am I I? Mean you know what I mean? Look at, Chris you know why you're is successful as you were kind of tell you. What's the secret you trying to get approval? You were trying to have somebody Sake Chris. You did okay. We love you. You want that pet on the head. That's why you do what you do not because you're a lehrer musician, but because you want I believe this is. I think guys like you and me or ambitious and driven which we are. You don't have to apologize. We're trying to please somebody WHO's really tough or impossible to please. And I always think it's either mom or dad, and we want their approval, and so we work. We work hard to get it from strangers. Is that too deep? But it's part of it for sure I mean I, I think that here want to pat on the head. We you WANNA be loved and what's wrong with that? We're only human. What Thinking back to when when I was probably twelve or thirteen Domo. Outer, Gatto, Mr Roberto everybody. Everybody was singing all the kids in my school because we thought it so cool of Domo, Ara gotTA. What does that mean needs? Thank you very much and Japanese like. Like, we actually learned something from Dennis, the young and sticks. What a what a interesting tune! Let me ask you question to be honest. You can be honest. How thirteen twelve or thirteen. Yeah, Eighteen, eighty, three twelve. The Dalai friends doing asking. We didn't do the robot. That up in Winnipeg but I remember everyone just singing Domo of it syrup bottle. To me as a catchphrase, yeah, absolutely absolutely Tommy in Lyon I know and love that someone we were doing it. We loved it coming. Quarter. Dow brought to the band, not me. I'm if I'm not mistaken. That's him doing that on the record. We loved it as I said. the problems with the Kilroy tour was not that song, but problems were. I asked a lot in the band, which was like even in a onstage stage I said to do what I thought was Iraq rock. Theater piece. Pushing the boundaries. But the real problem was. We were in eighty, three, experiencing the beginnings of the changing music right, which was supposed to happen. That's where Babul body was part of that. And asking a lot of the English fans kick no bands. Go Back and look here later van. halen put synthesizers in Iraq music. That's right. Top to? He he do that, I did. Right. We just went we jumping both feet. And that's what it was all about, but. Ultimately usually I'm GONNA. Tell you I don't aside. Rock bands always have. Differences of opinions and creative differences. Five people in the room me, they tell you. That's how it works. You banned. People have different ideas, but we work together competitively for God ten years. And made it work in our advantage, and I always tell people that has been white rock band break-up. Apart from you know somebody sleeping with the drummer's wife. I think it's drugs and alcohol. Drugs and alcohol impair. Your thinking process. They can make you think things. That are not true. It's awful and cocaine is destroyed nor band right. than any creative difference in the world. So I just look at the whole thing and I say to myself well. We all loved Mr Abbado because we're having a ball because we never did anything like it. All of us who are in their mixing six of us around the board, and the days before bottom make automation. Ball. It was fun. And Look, You know what Mister Robot. Dollars done just recently. Applied for acceptance. Into pop culture and it got it. You can't go anywhere. His here's the joke of it all. When I talk to somebody a young person they go I. You're a Rockstar. I did yeah, yeah, yeah, stakes! What some of the Sun I go come see the way renegade. Lady. Be. Look to my son. They look. Most of the time in Mr Bottle Oh. You did miss. Gladstone. That's the one where. So no matter what anybody says. And I and I'm not saying I'm happy about. But I tell you long term are most famous home will be Mr Rowbottom I guarantee it. You WanNa know why why because we're watching the future. Do. You ever think that you'll do kind of a reunion tour with the other guys, mistakes and unite the two fan bases that have been split apart like you mentioned. I have publicly said it for the last three or four years. We should do one more tour. There can just see the rolling stone piece I just did. I'll check it out though. Out, Andy Green Great. Guy Came to me and asked me they bring to the whole piece on me and rolling stone just three weeks ago. I still be in the band if it was up to me. And I publicly said let's do one more tour for the fans they deserved. See Molinari in currently on the stage one more time, together and Sham. That would be chuck whenever he feels good. I said a publicly. Tommy, into why have been publicly and privately? The, no, I, it's out of my hands. It's not my eagle. It's not my burying the hatchet. I'm ready to go. Chris Lemme WanNa have pack my bags. If you've got any gripe. She wants to see the sticks thing one more time. As got it intended. Who Their facebook page and tell them. I have no control of. Don't come to mind. I want people wondering. Hey. Out there. You know it's like I keep asking the girl to dance. Well Dennis has been great. Talking to you. Man Either way. You got a great new record in twenty six eastern hopefully. When all of this is done, and the pandemic has gone. We'll be able to come come see rock out again for sure. Yeah, I hope sure thanks for the interview era. You know what? You don't understand this I've done interviews I've done in my life to many. Listens and doesn't try to be the whole show. Which means. He's a smart guy. He puts the guest in the spotlight that thank you for that because it's getting dark in here. Honey docking. Yours is failing. Favor take us out with one more one more little line for Judas. There you sang it so well, okay? In my head. Did. Man was better, the first thing was. Well let me go to the piano it. Got It okay. I. Can Say A major key best bad. Judas. Give it in. Mind was your got the melody. They can't do all that. Best I can do right now. Thank you Dennis. By. Being on, and do you do yourself a favor? No right was that. After you get out of the ring yes sir. Thanks Dude. Stay healthy man too soon in person by cheers.

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H-Hour Snapshots #4 Ivan Rowlatt

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Mini Crush #143

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Listen to holding court with williams on the iheartradio app on apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to movie crush. A production of iheartradio. Hey everybody welcome to mini crush with nole and me man chuck. You almost had like a rap con equality of be like. Hey everybody welcome to crush with the knoll and me. Orchestra hit will sound. I'm old school so mine would go more like Woman name is chuck. And i'm here to say i'm gonna crush it out with knoll in a movie kind of way yeah orchestra hit you know that sound. Is that the Yeah i think. I know what you mean. Yeah sounds like an entire one. Originally it was on this Sampling synth called a fairlight which you might have seen has got a little touch screen early touchscreen with green letters and numbers on it. Use a little pen. Yeah and it was actually a sample from shostakovich's rites of spring Citizens spin through many many iterations but the original orchestra hit was From one of those big stabs in the rites of spring boy and then it's been on just hundreds of hip hop songs since then and now. It's coming back actually like at enough here in grimes at all. But she uses it. Lots of this hyper pop stuff. Like one hundred geck's all this weird like Kind of mean culture type music uses it a lot. It's definitely back in a big way. Well i'll tell you what we'll do now since people probably it's hard to do that. Sound as a human being. So maybe if uber producer seth can insert one of those right here That'd be great. It was great. what am i saying. Wow and maybe just throw a throw an eight eight in their zo. Ruin at classic. Beat you know. I've been being super prolifically. Chuck i think we played a little bit of the sparkle girl song. It's a big hit already with the movie. Crushers it's a bop. Yeah well let's not. It's not quite one hundred percent there. Yeah the video. Becoming people look out. But i've been making buying all these old seventy eights and like forty fives in like weird. Like junk records thrift stores and just starting songs by like sampling. We're little parts and then building the song around. But i've become obsessed with if you do any thrift store mining in georgia. You will probably come across these very regional christian record. Yes you don't talk about where it's like. They all look the same. That's like a family band. All the men are wearing matching white suits women all have these big hairdos and they're posing in front of some sort of picturesque. You know sylvan. Scene yeah and yeah they all have names like the christian echoes or something and yet in love again and they happen to be by creek bank Under an oak tree. That's exactly right and the funny thing is is like they're all from like smyrna kind of more rurally part of georgia but near atlanta near enough that we've ended up with these they probably only made like a hundred of 'em sure you know what i mean. I love it. It's such a neat little treasure. Hunt it is. I love that little niche. So no i saw you yesterday Irl again at the office you wandered by and no. I have to let everyone know. Yeah once again soft shorts. Yeah that's was wearing shorts yesterday. But i gotta tell ya i tops for public against that. Well i just heard touting the hard pants and i still yet to see hard pant chuck his thing. I forget that other people sometimes wander through that office. And so i thought i was safe from the prying eyes of lookie loos such as yourself. I'm there every tuesday. My friend and i also need to tell everybody about in the while. I'm gonna solve the mystery of the beheaded. Parrots knowledge was me. It was you yes it was you. Yes i asked you about it and you seemed indignant. I was playing it off pretty good. You literally said well. I wouldn't know anything about that. Knowl- once you tell everyone would happen. Yeah holy shit. Wow okay longer. Maybe the mystery similar but this is gold. Oh my goodness so yeah. I would to the office over the weekend with my daughter. There's another funny so we wrapped up in. But i go to my desk. I'm looking for something. And then we have these little squishy ball perritt things and you know what. I'm talking about stress relievers. But they look like little parrots and on my desk lined up like serial killer style. There's like six of them. And their little parrot faces been like cleanly snipped off with clearly like a scissor of some sort and there placed in front of them lined up in a row. It's like a scene out of like seven or something like put with the cartoon squishy parrots. So you want to know how that happened. All how did that happen. I was pacing the office on my phone call. Yeah and i picked up one of those squishy things squishing it and i flicked his little head off by accident and i was like well that came off very easily and then i put it on your desk and put the little head in front of it. The beheaded head. Yeah and then. I thought man these things are everywhere and nobody gives a shit about them. Because they're still in the office. And so i'm just going to do a little art installation slashing godfather message and i beheaded. What like six or seven of them. I don't think you maybe don't follow me on instagram. Or you didn't see it. I do follow yeah. Did you hear the whole story about it. And i said something like came to the office for the first time in a while and arrived on this murder scene on my desk and then what kind of monster would do feel threatened. Oh boy. I can't believe i missed that. I'm not sure how. Yeah it was on the stories How i actually thought it might have been nathan. Who's our social media guy. He's a bit of a prankster but he hadn't been of the office at all in like months again. Anything about it but he loved it. He was a fan of your work. Yes twas i twas how okay. Wow was really really quickly. This movie related in the same trip. I was digging around on my desk after being terrified by that whole scene. I found this package under my desk. That hadn't been open. And you know we get a lot of male at the office. And i don't know how i missed it but it was from like two thousand seventeen. It was from my ex girlfriend. A woman who. I dated from fifth grade until i was like nineteen twenty years old like this is my first love kind of and it was this package from her. Unopened like yellowed the box. Kind of and i'm a holy shit. How did i miss this. So i open it up. And it's like ten really pristine beautiful awesome high-quality dvd some of my favorites in my collection. Over the years. that i just. She ended up with And she sent back to me one of them was a criterion memento the really cool one that looks like a notebook book The first two seasons are the only two of the british office okay The anton corbin directors series music video. Sure dvd yeah and my personal favorite. Because now you can even get it anymore. Wonder shosen wow That's a nice. Treasure trove was so cool and like a little christmas card from her like Talking about her family she's got kids now and stuff. But i immediately hit her up on facebook and i was like. I'm so sorry. I don't know how i miss this and it so thoughtful and i up most of my other. Dvd's have either gotten rid of or sold in these are like proposh pristine condition not a scratch on them all the inserts and everything fully their love it what a great into the story and now you're having a secret affair yes also right and also what we're doing today we are. We are not doing any little mini segments because we have a very special guest coming into play away pop quiz hotshot and also to talk about a little thing. This person has been working on a way of promotion. And then we're gonna finish up with a little stream this with this human. And i think that that will probably take up our whole episode so i didn't bother with any other segments. I really hope it's dennis hopper. It's not dennis offering. That would be great because he was. He's quite dead right. R.i.p now weird. Yeah be very weird so we are going to admit now into the room. Knoll are very special guests that you don't even now ladies and gentlemen john hodgman. I know chuck. What are you doing dude. Just trying my my my favorite beard club thomason. Yeah man. we're all gray and black beard. He'd that says i'm in a great mood. Let me tell you why Log on hard time challenging moment for an it's a challenging moment in our in our democracy representative democracy. You said it. We're dealing with a continuing moment of reckoning with our national moral conscience this and we're all being role really having are a natural and chemical mood stabiliser stockpiles tested by these times. Yeah but i I'm john yeah. I just hit the pan graham on the spelling bee on the new york times crossword website. So i'm very happy. Oh wow things are looking up is. This live is going out live. Well not live. I mean how podcasts work record them but we're live with each other no i understand. Have you done the spelling bee yet. Today is that is that some sort of like trophy. You get for being really good at the new york times crossword. No two separate a separate game in the new york times. Crossword constellation of got nerd distractions. Yeah extended universe. Yeah universe and it spread spread it. It's spreading like an infection. Little bad bad choice of words. People are was the perfect choice of words. Look is this is the disease. You wanna catch. Spelling bee can't that stay home. Stay safe do word. Games spell more spell better. Emily would be good at that. She's a great speller and was a In her school a champion spelling bee person. But i i don't think she went on to like county or anything like that but i'm a notoriously poor speller now i'm always having to ask her and she always nails it. What about you know you could speller. I once got to the semi finals in a a a spelling. Bee of indeterminate. Grade origin. I have a very distinct memory of making it onto the stage and then with ping on a particular word which i don't remember but i'm fine. I would not say i am superior look. I'm middling at best i'm not. I'm not getting paid by the new york times. Because i write the judge john hodgman column we times magazine. Get a bump for for for talking up the spelling bee on. Podcast is just something that my wife catherine got me into. And it's just being passed by hand to hand towards everywhere as a way to not to take a break from the news in the full knowledge in english teacher. Right that's correct any details. You wanna reveal about my life check. Sure she's a lovely human that's true that's n- nothing private about that information. She's getting scrabble right so this is a scrabble. Type game i just i i'm just gonna put it out there so people can listen to this if you haven't done wednesdays spelling bee. This'll be all new to you. The deal is you. Have you get one too. It's not you don't have not tested on how to spell words you get one two three four five six seven letters and you try to make as one two three seven hundred you try to make as many words out of those letters as possible. It's boggle your but you have to use there's one letter you have to use every word Okay and that's the center of this little when you go there and seen know you're talking about it looks like a little honeycomb And the middle and the middle cell is the letter you have to use to come to all the others so the pan. Grandma's when you use all seven letters and you nail that i just just as you had admitted me into the zoom room. So i want you to take a pen and paper you guys. Okay and write down these letters. I've got i've got. I've got a i've got a thing. I've got a pen and paper for the knows very excited because he just started writing with a terrestrial Learn to write. I just learned to hang on once. You can never seen somebody. I'm typing it. All right i really. He's literally leaving the room everyone to go get through this podcast off the rails all right. Well i'll tell everyone While you're here you're here to play For a couple of reasons you here to play a new edition of pop quiz hotshot But before we do that and after we do the next thing with this pan graham right now we're gonna talk about your your tv show dick down the s. which here's no. Let's just on that. I just write these letters down. And if you're listening at played home right if you're listening at home if you're driving and listening to this right now take your hands off the wheel grab a pen and paper accelerate and write these letters down bad advice. Don't do not do that all right. What are what are we got. Seven letters d. yes yes. E c. h. u. c. k. e. Died chuck die happy. Halloween bit out with the bit. We just discussed before you join. John chuck did sort of a very macabre murder scene kind of threatening thing on my desk at the office where he beheaded a bunch of stress balls shaped like parrots and line them up in milling seven style so years now shocked in cheers getting spooky in the studio all right. Are we really doing that. Yeah yeah just renting extent. Die right yup m. o. l. c. and those are the those are your seven letters and see is the letter that has to be used when you're making words and then what are we supposed to sit around and play this and silence for perfect. I thought this was a fun game for you. Good podcasting on at the end of the at the end of the episode or whenever i am ushered off this stage get the hook. I'll tell you. What like molded could you do mold. And you know what. I didn't get that one. No real good job now. You couldn't because it doesn't have seen it. I'm sorry okay. That's what i miss. The cold cole did that is that a thing though but cooled is. You couldn't do molded anyway. You could just do mold. You can even use the letters and more than well you can. Yeah that's the key to it. Oh okay i got ya. Let's leave us alone. And i'll reveal the reveal that i got no again i know and what is what is the pain graham when you do it now and you use all seven letters in one word. I thought you had to use all no no. No you just build the one you build as many three letter words. Don't count four letter words. You get one point five letter words the longer the word the more points you get so you can't do two or three letter. Words right asked us as before or more and if you make a word that uses all seven ladders at least once that's gonna pan ram and you get a bonus. Well maybe when this episode comes out on the facebook page we will take submissions for listener answers and no. I'm going to reveal it at the end of this episode. I'll spoil it graham so far that i've found now i've found seventeen words so far. Wow and i've just had a good run of them. I can't find it anymore. But i have something like ninety three points total but to hit the genius level. Which is your life. The goal you have to two hundred points is very high point levels. There are a lot of words that i've gotten yet so amazing anyway. That's the thing to do to distract yourself. What's another thing to do to distract yourself to a podcast listeners. Not cast or watch a tv show so no. You stepped away for a minute and told everyone john was gonna play pop quiz hotshot. But he's also here to promote his television show that he does what david reschedule. Dick town yes and if i may to set up the show john before we chat about it he's It is a wonderful animated show. That is the premises John and david to former enemies from high school. David was your bully. That's right and you are now a grownup middle aged men and dick's town richards ville north carolina. And you solve crimes for you solve small mysteries for high school. Students allah encyclopedia brown as a team and david's kind of your muscle and you're kind of the brains and you live on this fun house boat which really wanna live on in real life. I know right. it's really fun. Show archer style animation. If i may say that you should say that because it's it's created are you know it's our our producing partners animators. Are floyd county right there. Right there in atlanta georgia and they are the the creators of archer. So tell us a little bit about it. i watch it on hulu. Would she can just dial up by typing in dick town but tell us where you can find it in how this was created and just give us a little backstory. Yeah so. David reese is friend. He is the creator of the political clip art cartoon from the two thousand thousands called. Get your war on yup. Rem ran in rolling stone was a huge catharsis every week for those of us suffering under what we thought was going to be the worst presidency of alternate and then david turned to the crafts. He became a professional artisanal pencil sharpener and he wrote a book called how to sharpen pencils and they went on tv to host a show for two years called going deep with david rees which explored the same thing it showed. It showed you how to do the simple things. You think you already know how to do. Like sharpen a pencil or tie shoes or freeze ice cubes but by going into a very deep dive on the history of those things in the manufacturer of this is really very fun show. Yeah david's just y'all so does a great show called the election profit makers election prophet makers. Yeah the the the election theme podcast which is very funding cathartic that he does with our friends star. Lee john kimball. Look david and like me as a person of many trades A person who has many enthusiasms and chases all of them often to the confusion of people who would like to like him. That's a good way to say. Yeah like no no. He's like me. He's a person's brandis fucked. Like no one knows. I have a podcast. Judge john hodgman. I write books medallion status down. Paperback i do this column for the new york times magazine. Sometimes i act in stuff. I forget all the things that i and then but the one thing i am the do not forget david having known each other for twenty years and finally got together to create a project together and that is dick down. The short form animated show that ran on fx x.'s. Anthology show cake and now is archived. All ten episodes at who and what chuck said was true. It is funny cartoon someone in the archer style in the scooby doo style. Totally a in. Which i play a private detective. Who named jon huntsman. Who used to be a boy. Detective allah encyclopedia brown stuff. Yeah in this town. Called richard jill north carolina which the locals call dick down. Richards will get mike. Huntsman used to was famous for solving mysteries in town for his little friends and sometimes helping out the police. A but now my character has grown up and failed to thrive and massad middle aged man living on a shabby houseboat in college town lake. And i'm still we only clients. I can get our teenagers still and it's really depressing. And meanwhile david reese as you mentioned plays my former arch nemesis slash bullying high school who also has failed to leave town. He's now in his middle age and he's still living with his parents. And i have hired him to be my driver because i do not have a drivers license for reasons that could explain later on in the episodes. A little bit of a mystery and And he's the only person i still know in town and he becomes my driver in my hired muscle and my unlikely friend as we solve mysteries for all these teens. Some of whom were plagued by teens at the north carolina high school for the arts others were voiced by people we know like jean grey zach galifianakis kristen schaal griffin newman from the tick jon. Glaser all these play. Teenagers also played other adults conduct town. My four played by me number played by you. But if this podcast has the sway you say it does a quid pro quo and because the because because right now we're we're on we're on the tipping point of whether or not we get picked up for another season. So what what. They're it's a weird thing they're doing is they're trying to see if people are watching this thing so That's going to be the decision. Making process are enough people watching it so because it because it aired as part and we're very happy that aired as part of the screen and theology series cake. But that's over now it's sitting there on hulu and we're really a because everything's going on in the world now. A lotta people had a lot of brain space for an eleven minute. Funny distracting cartoon. Now i feel like we need it more than ever. So i'm gonna say bit dot lee be. It dot l. y. slash dick town. Kt o w n we'll take you right to the page and you can. You can check it out. Yeah i think it's I think it is perfect for right now. And i'm not just saying that because you're my friend dating my friend thank you. It is david has also your friend. I thought i was your friend all right here both more. You lose your best friend. That's that's what's important isn't that's fine. It's fine it's fine. it's fine. I completely understand. My best friend is my wife. Oh so it is. It is a great show for right now because it is about ten minutes long per episode you can blaze through the season and the time that you can watch a medium length movie. Yes and i just love. I'm a big fan of that format if the like the Children's hospital for that reason. Like the ten to fifteen minute show. Is it really moves. It's tight it's I was in. I was really impressed. That you got the pilot. work done Inside of a ten minute episode and in fact you got the pilot work done inside the first bike ninety seconds i feel very efficient and for those of you listening. Don't know what i mean. The pilot work is. It's very tough to write a pilot because you have to set up the whole world so that everyone knows what's going on but you still have to make an entertaining show with the story arc and still wedge in that information inorganic way. And you guys really. It was great. I mean it was bing bang boom done onto your first case. The opening scene of the pilot was something that i have been thinking of personally for a long time. I'm sure because i had been at the time we started thinking about this idea. David really wanted to do something about two private detectives on the houseboat. Because he's a big simon. Simon person has. There are a lot of houseboat detectives. Definitely yes sure. Crockett crockett lived on a houseboat. In miami vice yeah famous literary detective travis mcgee did. I was really into encyclopedia brown at this time. Because i was reading it with reading those books with my son and if and if you're of a certain generation you know exactly what i'm talking about if you're not you might not know. Encyclopedia round was sort of the archetypal boy. Detective in these chapter books written by donald j sobol ninety thing it went back to the yes the first one six rebooted it and reboot and he wrote him. He wrote dozens and dozens of them little short books each containing about seven or eight little mysteries and usually it was encyclopedia brown working for a local kid To get something back from bugs meany the local bully Stolen it like some collectible sward or something like a a jar of nichols or whatever. Yeah right it so much and and at at the end of every little mystery bugs me and say you. You've got nothing on me. Encyclopedia make like a tree and go away to quote. Biff tannen but encyclopedia go like. Oh no not so fast bugs. I have solved the mystery and then it says at the bottom. You would like to know the solution. Turn to page sixty five and you turn sixty five to get the solution and explains like what like how encyclopedia brown new where bowling balls were manufactured. And therefore bugs couldn't have gotten that ten pin set or whatever like a whole thing about like the the baby couldn't have been sitting on the roof of the car it would have been still hot from running or whatever. See unfortunately though in real life bullies. Don't really respond. He would have just gotten a beatdown every single time what i was thinking. I'd reading this to my son. Every every one of the solutions be like when confronted with the when confronted the evidence of his guilt bugs confessed and gave the job or whatever. You're so right. It was this time i would. I would always change the indians when confronted with the evidence of his guilt. Bugs meany punched encyclopedia brown in the nose. So the entire first the opening scene of the pilot is that happening the final cathartic release of that idea. Because you know jon. Huntsman is a grown-up now. He's living in a world that he doesn't recognize he's been hired by a teenager to steal a mysterious attache case back. Because that's always a trope and that mysterious attache case back from the sleazy used hot tub dealer named zab zab tub yard and that opens with him explaining to zab. Well look i. Give me the attache case i showed you. I told you all the evidence that starlings aren't native to the united states and the sun came up at six three this morning. Zip goes no. Thanks and he doesn't. You doesn't push push down. Because that's when david comes in and pushes him into a hot tub and and it's disappointing for hundred that illogic did not save the day once again. Yeah it i mean. It's just so much fun man. I really enjoy it You and david like you having a lot of fine yes It sounds like that you are in a room together in improvising and then kind of cutting up a little bit which really adds to the The life of the show. I think yup. And it's a lotta fun matt thompson. Our producer county was like you have to get in the room together. Yeah most most animated shows your voice them on your own and you know when i when i do voices for duck tales for example. Not only my in a room by myself. But the people who are giving vocal direction are across the country. Yes so you know. We one of the great things about dick. Dan was most of the people we hired. Were local unavailable to come into new york and david and this time when we could be in rooms together david and i could you know record together in the same room and really brief off each other but also we could there with the with the actors across the way to play with them in the room as well across the last. You know you guys are you a. You're genuinely cracking each other up. At times you can tell and that just adds a lot to david's really great. Yeah he really he I don't think he's when you know in real life he's such a sort of reserved guy and The way he carries himself in the way he carries a conversation but to hear him go. Big was a lot of fun. And yeah well. I mean and not. That's one of the pleasures also have election profit makers because when david gets worked david can be really low key. You know very very cool for school. But when he gets worked up you get so loud funny and he was a high school bully like yeah no he was he was he kind of pushed his friends around and feels really bad about it and spend a lot of time trying to make amends but in this case i'm like you gotta lean into that that's your that's your brand on this show. That's lean into the brand that's in the show and you know. I brought in all this encyclopedia brown baggage. But david really wanted the show to be set in a very specific place which is more carolina. He's from chapel hill. Yeah so a lot of the characters and the customs and the storefronts based on people he knew and or knows in chapel hill north carolina and it gives gives the show a very very specific field. My characters dad. Mr hunch men a played by the great steven. Toby laskey from groundhog day. Files noodle head ned. And he's so good at it but the vocal patterns are based on the dad of david's best friend from chapel hill. Only yeah mister kimble john. Who is a banker. Just kind tells you know son. Yesterday bought a new wash cloth. And i used a visa card purchase. It was it was really very smooth. Transaction and lady the store so nice and it's just totally like kills as my dad. It's so sweet and funny man. It's really good Ten minute episodes you can blaze through a season. You can find it on hulu Bit dot li slash dick town. We want john david to be able to make more of these. I want to do. I do voices. John you know if we get that out there. If if the podcast. I expect it will singlehandedly saves dictum. You're going to have a very big role. And okay. i gotta say. I was googling. Dick town and wikipedia entry came up for dick town new york. Apparently a ghost town in putnam county in new york and according to kapiti It was named as such because a large share of the early settlers were named richard. Wow how did. I miss that one. Yeah really really quickly. John yeah you know. The etymology of wide detectives are referred to as dick's. Yeah well that was. That's another reason that we call the dictum. We mainly called a dick town. Because there's a song by. They might be giants that i wanted to use as the theme song. But we didn't have time we didn't have we didn't have the the length of episode even have a theme song but you can't keep johnny down. There's a reference to all the dixon this dick down. Can't keep johnny down. So that i retro we retrofitted. Dick town is a name to richards ville and also to the fact that it's a show about detectives you know private dicks. I think that just goes back to a time when dick was less offensive term when dick was not thoroughly associated with male genitalia but instead instead it could be a shortened form of detective. I guess it kind of plays that way. I think that's what it is or could be a person's name like dick cavin. I'd like to bring dick back. You know what i mean. Bring that dick back. Oh according to the internet it says that the term dick meant to watch like to dick interested in the dick came in turn from the romany language of the gypsies. Dick the i k which meant to look to see. Dick is a watcher. Or a looker. You have the union this whole time. Why i never really thought to look it. Up is part of quizzes is part of the quiz. That makes no that's coming. I can't wait to check diktat. Another sounds like everyone. Everyone animation in my life. Everyone look at or dick dick down. Please i'm also a big fan of the expression sticking around or around with dick with so i'm on board fully dicker. Dickering is a northeastern phrase for bargaining or haggling hickories hickory duck and there is a. There's a show. I think on the history channel. There was a show called donning. Dickering you told me about this. You told me about downey's dickering. Didn't you know these guys and central maine. No i told you about the cabin master. Bain cabin masters was the one you ahve to check. I still have to check out. Downey's dickering is crew of guys in central maine. Who make their living going through the want ads. The local want ad uncle henry advertiser and finding odd jobs that they do for money. But then they'll barter things to buy stuff of other people and then barter that to get other dickers- basically a trading up. Yeah they're trading up and as a sometime resident of the state of maine and a fan of that state. I decided to watch it. Why was only one season. Why didn't they make thirty. Five seasons of this american pickers. Or whatever and i'm like oh within within fifteen minutes mike o. Because these guys are terrible. These guys are these guys. There's one there's one of them you kinda like the rest of them you kind of like worry about it so there so authentically central maine just like live by the skin of your tooth type. People right there just like when they tried to make a professional poker players into star athletes like. They're they're weird looking marginal people. Yeah generates shifty yes. Sunken cheeks in rat tails. Like no. I don't want sky not going to go on a poster. My son's room like chris elliott on shits creek. Yeah exactly exactly. It's your apartment speaking. And i need some favors. When you're singing in the shower. Just try going up a key. You're trying to be an alto when really era soprano. Oh and if you could bundle your renters in car insurance with geico it's easy to do online and we could save money and then when you read your murder mysteries at night. Could you read out loud but skip the murder parts. Because i get scared. God go for bundling made easy. Go to geico dot com today. Go presents left brain versus right brain. You know we should switch to geico picking up your down buddy. We could save hundreds of dollars a year on car insurance. Ooh with that kind of scratch. We can get the band back together for a reunion tour. We were never in a band. Be glenn lettuce. Play the tambourine on stage at one time. Nc we will ever put that savings towards a new interview suit logo. I still got it guy. Go fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more john ready to play the game. I'm ready to play the game all right so this is a game called pop quiz hotshot become the new movie crush sensation It is a game that is played on a timer which makes it a little challenging and The whole goal here is just have a little fun. It's hard to find a timer. These days i know and so i keep the time. Yes and here's how it works is going to keep score. That's usually challenge in of itself. Not anymore not anymore. I received this demographers spiral notebook in the mail from movie crush fan christie who become pals with and it actually has a handy split column design. Look at that where she helped me. Negative this is for a different game. more for a holes kind of scenario. But it's still. It's still applies here. Love stenographer's notebook. That's might not a little chain that you can attach a small pen to. I've never seen that. Before i think christine modeled that out specifically really lovely. And she knows. You're gonna lose when i went and earlier and grabbed a pen accidentally grabbed day a non-functioning penance stylus. For like a you know tablet you gotta go get a real pen real quick you spew playing the rules and i'll be back in a jiffy de so it's kind of a running gag that nor has very hard time keeping score of even the simplest of games. I i can see. Why am i think as evidence the fact that the the one thing it seems like that was keeping him from keeping score correctly was a line drawn down the center of age you know. I love steno notebook. they're great. so here's how it works dude. Is we have ten questions. Yes we're you have to name three movies for each For a possible thirty points. So one point you get partial points. If you named two out of three you get two points in each round. Can you give me an example of how the so. It'll be like it name in ten seconds name three movies with the word night in the title. Okay and if that were the case could you use homonym. 's give me an example. Well could i say. Dark knight rises dark knight and night breed. Yes okay 'cause nightmares. You would get all three points for that night. Breed is clive barker movie night as in bedtime night whereas get lenient Because we like our friends to do well into feel good. I just want to follow the rules. Yeah you're so no. Are you ready more than. I've probably ever been for anything ever in my life. And we're also lenient with you. Know if you're saying one as the timers going off we'd like to give it to you and Like i said we're we're we're friendly crowd here. I shall do my best so john. Yes this is this is. There's no theme to this one. Okay these are just random questions about movies in ten seconds name. Three music biopic main characters. You don't have to name the movie. Just the main characters music biopic main characters go johnny cash. Elton john freddie mercury. Okay started you off. Easy points those hard for me. Actually movies are walk. The line rocket man and bohemian rhapsody. Okay and can. I just say rodman man is a really good movie. I've heard it's really good. I enjoyed it and baron. Edgerton is amazing. As elton john. it is not. It's it's incredible. Essentially it's a jukebox musical of elton. John songs it's the. It's not just reproducing concerts or whatever it's like interpreting the songs in ways that are really awesome. It's great it's great huge. Elton john van. So right up my alley. Megyn all right. John you did great all right. Check what they're gonna get progressively more difficult. Okay name you should do good at this next one. In ten seconds. John name three film noir movies. The maltese falcon double indemnity of key. Largo would count. I don't think you are go counts. I think it counts as film noir. Okay well let's see. I want this to be accurate. I think you've got three out of three. But i'm looking to see what this is from the art. It sure looks like no water to me. Largo was in nineteen forty eight. American film noir. Okay big time. Three at a three kapiti says from the poster alone. I mean it's gotta divide. I couldn't remember the plot. I thought maybe it was just bogart and bacall go to the beach beach beach blanket musicals and dick at the ocean. That's right they just dick that ocean ocean they dig it all the action they dig at the ocean they dig it all of the memorable sites of the florida keys they ticket ernest hemingway's house. Yeah they dictate each other. They they can each other. They can't stop to each other. Okay jeffrey do great. So far reid in ten seconds name. Three movies starring or even featuring actor. Tim robbins this weird one. That war of the worlds a bull. Durham and what was the one where he was a phony folksinger politician. Bob roberts bob roberts bob remember surprise. You didn't leap right for the hudsucker proxy. Yeah deals john. That's one of my favorite movies. I don't know. I don't know why had that i'm having more and more lapses put it that. We watched recently. That i just think is the best as the player. Yes that was the one. That china the followed up on bull. Durham and launched tim robinson to a different place. Yes of course. We miss Perhaps the most popular movie of all time the shawshank redemption right shawshank redemption. That's a very famous one very famous movie. Snag tim. robbins very probably already know this john. But i've i've found. Recently this a pitch meeting that almost every single piece of stephen king intellectual property is optioned at all times. I can't think of the one. That isn't oh i just mean even ones you haven't heard of i don't know about her and turnaround or they're filed away somewhere and to find a piece of stephen king. Ip that isn't like a needle in a haystack. Or like you know some sort of treasure of the sierra madre whatever. And i like you got. Can i say something So i'm big stephen king fan. I'm particularly a fan of the novel. Cujo i've never seen the movie i never will. The novel is one of the best. It's just str- straight up piece of literary fiction it's great great Anyway i was talking about this back when i was promoting a book that had the called vacation has a lot of maine and some some one is friends with one of his sons. Not joe hill showed him this article and he sent me a paperback copy of cujo with a really nice. Thank you note written in it. And i'm going to option that. Thank you turned into a movie. There you go. You got to be creative. Yeah that's no one's got it. No one's i'm the only one who has it. You go to get the rights and you're like aw dreamworks has it. No all right. That was the only one you whiffed on. So far. george thank you john. Adriana stephen king movie like what why how did that. You didn't get my permission to use. My name's sorry. Mark smith says we got it. I think the best part of that movie is when stephen king hobbles you thank you. John hodgman the story of a thank. You note written to a fan starring. Mike burghley as john hopkins. Why all right. John question for letting stephen king play himself. Not that great. I mean he was actually pretty funny. It chapter two for bigs are creepshow replaced. The the redneck guy with all the plants growing on his body. That was fun. Yeah can i write the screenplay. No john mullany doing that what he's good though. Of course jon line. He's good okay. Number four in ten seconds. John name three movies starring or featuring. Susan serandon. bull. Durham the witches of eastwick and the ex wives club. She no. She was called first wives club. I live club right. I mean get the name that movie right all right. Two hundred only stared at that poster going up and down the stairs five times. A day and writers has literary agency for seven years first wives club based on a writers as clients book. First wives club bette midler goldie hawn and someone else. Diane keaton. i think probably We also have Accepted the hunger right. of course you would accepted Dead man walking. That's a good one. Oh yeah isn't david bowie. In the hunger. Yeah and isn't it quite bad. I've heard it's quite bad. Well it's it's a great piece of early anes. Yeah nineteen eighties sort of schlocky erotic horror. Roddick vamp yeah. That was heavy duty like What's a what's the word i'm like. Venetian blind shadows movies. Well it's too early. Tony scott which was that twenty. Scott i yeah i believe that is based on a novel by whitley strieber. Woo who also wrote the novel. The became the movie wolfensohn. And since since then is primarily known as a Alien abductee he wrote. A book called communion about his recovered memories of being by since he was a kid. And that's how he's known now interesting career pivot. What's that trench on. what's that check. Nothing that was community community. Great book communion is a great book and a very strange movie starring christopher walken. Yeah chris wilken. that's right. frances. Sternhagen i can throw communion in there i can throw at now. I forgot the other out. Outland frances sternhagen. That was great. I couldn't believe she's still sturt stern hanging it up a look at a player. All right question five john. Yeah in ten seconds name three movies that feature alien spacecraft star star trek the motion picture star to con- star trek. Three this spot that was that was the art. You gotta game system. Well played well played. That's that's the way you do this game. If you can find an angle you gotta play the angle. I'm always looking for the angle. I'm always picking the angles digging for the angles addict for the angle. The thing is a guy like you. John guy like our dear friend. Casey pegam you wanted to display your movie trivia prowess dig deep by the best way to go in this game. Sometimes that's right all right question. Six mr hodgman in ten seconds Name three black and white movies. Can i use one that. I've already used the man who wasn't there. The maltese falcon and key. Largo boom all right. You're back again gaming. The system back. He never left. He left twice left on the table. Strangers in paradise and down by law stranger than pairs stranger than paradise and never seen either of those great movies and all rewatch down by law for the first time. Probably since i was fifteen years old. And it's on my list. I miss those old jarmusch movies. All right and ten seconds john Name three movies. Featuring non muppet puppets non muppet puppets. Happy town murders. We'll now wait a minute. Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute. Wait a minute. Oh do we have a challenge. I mean i like. I said the happy town murders but i think that they're henson. I think they're hinson. Creation was his son. It had nothing to do with henson. And i think it got. They got mad. Got in trouble. was brian henson bs. It was but he's the ceo of henson. I don't think the would. Maybe it wasn't him it was it was somebody connected with henson that it was not sanctioned. It was not you know it was so they used that name in the trailer. My question is and i think this is a re. This is i'm not to. I'll take my one point and not not in work the wrath. It was brian hinton by the way but if i said that if i said the dark crystal would that count or no that would count because i don't consider the muppets right. You're not talking about muppets. what you consider muppets. We're not talking on what you consider. Muppets you're talking about the muppet characters. Famous from the muppet show right. Not characters from the. Jim henson workshops. So i can said the dark crystal. I have said labyrinth. Yes that's true. Meet the feebles. That's actually been a good one. That would have been whatever whatever whatever. I was robbed. Everyone knows we give give them a point. The ones happy timers all right. Okay just rephrase that in the future named three movies with puppets that do not star the muppet characters. What we're first of all we're not gonna use it in the future but retire that one. Hey don't you get me indicative me. Are you digging me rolling my eyes. Yeah i'm digging you dig at. The ceiling are economic. The floor number eight in ten seconds. Don't get salty now salty. Ooh okay i'm concentrating. Okay in ten seconds Motherfucking vocal oklahoma. Sort of mother fucker. Best my whole intense seconds john Name three and this is subjective. But i'm going to be very lenient named three movies. Well known for their soundtrack raiders of the lost park star. Wars harry potter. The sorcerer's stone. Okay i know nothing about harry potter. But i think they're all john williams soundtracks. Okay i'm going to give you all three of those. The minor quibble. I would say those movies are well known for their score Oh but that's okay. I was looking more for rushmore magnolia and batman batman because a prince one print song batting known because it was a print salvo. That's that's okay love or hate it. It's definitely people. Remember the batmans. Now that i understand the question. I would say what i would maybe come up with a virus. Smart was oh brother where art thou. Sure dazed and confused. Yeah mm-hmm oh the big chill. Yeah i got you now. You get three three three the right way the right way. We're gonna count the score because those those were sold his soundtracks you know. Yeah so what about something. Like the lion king where it's like a combination of like things and also score pieces. And i think any disney animated film would be well known for their soundtrack. The jungle book. For god's sake what agency more swings you jingle vip the top and had to stop. And now you're going to get sued by disney. I love the jungle book. It's still my favorite song. Is all right. John in ten seconds No comment unto. O.'neil is here in ten seconds named three movies directed by david lynch dune racer head and blue velvet great job. Yeah what's wanna wild at heart. That's one i was my brain. My brain may be know that you're right that my brain wants to go obscure because there's like i have a animal reflects to impress. Get get weird pulse. Yeah yeah that's that's the trick of this game is and we've talked about it before it's hard to clear your mind but also try and think of every movie you've ever seen writes the same time. Yeah exactly but you're doing great. Thanks friend but i'm having fun. Casey right finally. John norton number ten in ten seconds name. Three movies starring former alumni of saturday. Night live sure stripes caddy shack meatballs. See you locked in on bill. Murray gary smart way to go. Yeah you're good at this game. Thank you see what i would try. I would immediately be flooded with every saturday night. Live alumni. that's ever screen. Yes what you need to do is just hone in on one. Did a bunch of movies yes can you. Now i'm gonna give you. I'm going to give you one chuck all right. Because i also have a timer. I know you do in ten seconds name. Three will farrell movies. Go downhill anchorman anchorman. To all right downhill. What are you julia louis. Dreyfus some money class on. I didn't see that. But i did see force missouri and that was a a movie on the show that we dissect it by the way. Have you seen that no. I haven't seen that sounds great. That's the movie that downhill is based on would love it. It's right up your alley. It's really really really good is a comedy now. I thought it was more like a disaster kind of no. It's it's a very very dark. Social satire comedy got. I think it's swedish terrific murray and literally like taking it beat for beat and making it like american or i think. That's that's not unusual. Yeah people do. It's not. But i just i i i've heard of that and that seems more like an artsy film. In the downhill seemed like one of those thrown together net flicks. I'm ongoing. I'm sure that it was marketed. That way. Yeah hey it's your homie. Sorry it's your home. I know you don't like it when i call myself your own so i have some favors to ask you. Could you get rid of a few chairs in the living room. My floorboards are tired and other easy thing. We save money if you bundled your home and car insurance with geico one more thing. I know you love lavender. Scented candles but could be tried to. he shouldn't vanilla. I think it would be better for bundling made easy. Go to geico dot com today. This episode is brought to you by kiko while the holidays may look a little different this year. The season of giving is in full swing. Kiwi co delivers hands on science and art projects. For kids of all ages. 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John if you have time to stick around for another ten minutes or so for this. I don't ever wanna go away. This is the portion of the show. Why are we talked to this. Twenty six by the way you got twenty six points. We didn't justify my use of the six out of thirty. No twenty seven thirty. that's great solid. I disappointed. I feel like there should be an asterisk because i feel i like my sounds. Were not the question. Oh well you know what. I'll keep it then because i feel like i feel like my john. Williams answers were all be asked not equality enters so subtract. Three now know the already circled the number. It's pad all right. Can't walk it back. Yeah the spell is locked no twenty six of thirty s great nice job. Things done thirty out of thirty. Nobody strew gotten one of these yet. I've just been like the the second banana score keeper. I kinda wanna get in the hot. See one of these Knoll metal all right here. We go no you ready for this now. We don't have time. Yeah we've ten the guinea one. Let's go name three movies. The gene wilder in willy wonka or charlie chocolate factory. See no evil hear no evil a young. Now that's a definite asterisk. I reject that since we will see no evil. Wow yeah that's a that's a later. Richard pryor solution prior where they're blind in. They're both blind and deaf or something like that. No one is my mom. When i was a kid. I think it had boobs in it and it was willie wonka and the chocolate factory. Was that the book is charlie the movie. Yeah yeah yeah yeah right. Zero trump was gonna do a willy. Wonka ask type stunt when he emerged from the hospital after sharona that he was gonna like golf feeble and then rip off his shirt to reveal. A superman emblem on the. You're kidding decided not to do it. But apparently it's a. It's something that was actively discussed while i. I know that that was reported. That feels a little a little fetched far to me. But maybe so i liked believe in the kind of things to imagine. Anyway talk politics. Yeah exactly all right. John this is come out. This comes out for two weeks by the way everybody. This is the first election cycle. That i've ever been an active volunteer in. I do phone banking. I detect spanking. I do letter writing. Get your people. Help them to vote go to. I will vote dot com. Make sure that they all understand wherever they are in your world whatever state or commonwealth there in with the deadlines are what their options are in terms of voting make a plan to safely and securely and early which is probably not a word vote and also tomorrow and also donate some of your time. If you can't donate them your money. It's really important. Created a couple days ago they have our local arena fitted out with the voting machines and it took me to park. Did devote you know. What's great is that the a the nfl arena now the basketball and it's the basketball arena the arena. Yeah the nba who nba opening up those stadiums stadia for voting a slight three hundred three hundred boots. I think and that's the greatest. I can't believe that's really stepping up. Thank you can't vote there. Because i'm dekalb county residents right but i'm going tomorrow it's great early. Voting is the best Okay everyone this stream this where we talk about what we've been watching lately I will go. i The other night ruby. And emily and i Ruby says hi by the way john fund of you and remember as you. Oh i wanna come and visit you guys again. You have such a nice cast bedroom. Yeah she Anytime like your voice comes on. She goes that's john. Yeah how's there little houser little backyard school going. It's going great. It really is going great. Big success but The other night we watched paranormal on The great great stop motion animation sort of her first little scary movie that she seen and it was wonderful. It was such a fun movie. It was highly recommended by the movie. Crushers i loved everything about it was funny. It was heartwarming. Is a little bit scary just enough for her age. I think Slightly above her pay grade but We all agree that you know a year or two above the pay grade of a child watching a movie watching is kind of a good thing. Yes and she was fine she she got a little scared occasionally which meant a little s- little snuggle on the couch but she never wanted to turn it off and we just had a great great time watching norman so we watch that and then all i've been watching Are we emily. And i've been watching. I may destroy you. Yeah we're about halfway through season. One and boy. Oh boys at great. It is wonderful wonderful. Show wait for the finale. It'll knock your socks off. It's i'm gonna use it. Dropped have a drink. Everyone its psychedelic. Like in the way that it's edited the choices of the way kind of like ra music in the show it's of of perspective. It's all about like that's the thing to going back to detectives. I love the show feels like a detective story in some way. She's like sure on the hunt for this perpetrator but it becomes much more than that. It's got comedy it's got beats of absolute drama and existential terror and then it pivots so quickly to other things without ever seeming forced or stretched and i just think it's a genius work of cheese amazing cinema michaela cole wrote created wrote directed stars great casts all the way around. It's voices that you don't hear enough of these days and it's really really terrific. Highly recommended started shits creek. I shall take that recommendation and thank you for stealing my recommendation. What shits creek. Yeah the so good. I just started to myself. I don't know why. I didn't glomming onto it right away. Because i love all the cast them such a chris guest fan but for some reason i've watched a couple episodes and didn't continue but with all the buzz lately i was like i'm going to try it again and i'm obsessed. I just think they're lovely characters despicable at first but then you grow to love them crate. Yeah i'm definitely a hodgman. Come lately on that one people in my life were telling me to watch should creek forever. And then i same here. Finally finally after six seasons. Maybe i'll watch this thing and i was like. Oh this is the greatest thing in many in many ways i think for what i hope people find in dick town which is to say that it's a it's a concept comedy right. Yeah but the concept falls away pretty quickly and becomes a character comedy. Yeah and the characters are each of them really really likeable. And you know like it's a town versus gown like outside outside richie's come to this. Hard bitten town in pennsylvania's is supposed to be. I can't even remember like amish. Country then hand in somewhere in north america and it's sort of like the t the their cultural clash but as as you pointed out the fan the fan. The rich family are all very likeable. And especially now. They're down on their luck and the local people are all very likeable. And you just enjoy hanging out with your friends with this movie or starting with this. Tv show and dan levy the co creator with his dad eugene. He plays a character named david. And he and emily hampshire. Who plays the woman who runs the motel. What's her name. she's good shot. La no no. I don't think that is his actual sister. The plays twyla. that's also interesting. I forget the name of the well. She's great in a tough. A tough roll is sort of the the straight character. Yes the straight person. That's a tough. That's a tough bag in broad comedy like this and she does a great job. Hang on i'm going to. I got to emily hampshire. I remember the name of the actor. That's pretty respectable right out. Totally i've ever known. As papa burger burst i five member but stevie that's right say nikki of stevie i was gonna say sydney. Yeah i guess that's right. She's so deadpan. She is because it rhymes with dick dick towns. She's sort of the voice of reason. You know like like calling out all of the bullshit of everyone else's character and she herself has also kind of a fish out of water because she doesn't make sense in this world right. He's so smart and sharp and snuggle and her relationship with with dan. Levi's character david is increasing follow. It's completely i think. Part of the fun for me to seeing Senior gene in dan together clearly having a good time like father and son. Yeah working on the show together and It sort of gives me good good heart feels. Can i say about the show me by surprise. I mean it's got the the cancers amazing obviously akano hera legend his name chris. Chris elliott talent. Yeah emily's so creeped out by my mom. He always looks so gross and dirty and everything. He's in his name. I couldn't remember the everyone's great. But let's say eugene levy is i swear on this yeah it's fucking hot in the show. Jimmy looks amazing. We were talking about that last night. I was like what is this guy taken like. No he he looks. He looks better than he's ever look. He's he's he's he's slim healthy. Suits are incredible. I mean his hair his hair. And it's like it's sort of like when comedians get pumped on your like you kinda breaking the code to like. Yeah we're talking about lots of comedians have gotten pumped. You don't know who i'm talking about at all. I'll komal is freaking me out and his meal. Instagram's or does lay whoa. I can't handle you any more thrilled by his personal journey and it's lovely to undertake in order to be a marvel cinematic universe movie. That's why got jacked. You know what i mean. Oh i know. I get it man i sites just it's just a little off putting him being the slubby. It guy or guy coming but the thing is that it is a little charged when comedy person starts to look good. You know what i mean totally is especially if they sort of looked average or kind of you know like me like dumpy nerd or whatever like if i got jacked people who like i like that. I like that version of john hodgman but eugene levy. Sh- man. I can't cannot deny that guy was great. It's more wardrobe than anything. No roaming looks like you know carrion best in show. He's not beefed up he slimmed there. You know what. I mean he. He's he's toned up a bit. He's got that. Paleo glow anger be he and he. I mean how old is he. He's got to be late sixties right. He's a ninety seven. How did more for ninety seven. There was a really great like it was his birth theories and and there was like a a kind of know zoom thing on the people. I was wondering why and it was just delightful and they're all just throwing accolades adam and i think it was jason biggs of joked that he thought this was an in memoriam. Did yeah of course this little bit of a lower seventy three seventy three. Can you believe that incredible. Yeah he looks great anti murphy as as a lexus. Sister is also an incredible. And you know it's like they're all these incredible canadian actors and hidden treasures like they're just up there in canada making tv like crazy. I never watch it because we're jerks how we get to see all these incredible actors. Yeah the reason. I hadn't watched it because canada. Now there are too many seasons. It was too daunting daunting god. Do i want to tackle something that has whatever like one hundred episodes. Look sometimes culture asks you to pay attention to something that you slept on something. That's the you know is probably pretty good but you just haven't gotten around to it yet and sometimes culture offers you two choices. Six seasons of thirty minutes had come shits creek and were this is going or one season a total one hundred and eleven minutes. Yeah of dick town. It's it's the short animated shits creek of today at least dick town. Don't sleep on it. Go ticket yeah dick it in a night like dick. Get some pop popcorn you. I love to dig it on saturday morning because shame in that job you know what i mean it on saturday morning like dick down on a saturday morning because cartoon get up. Get your cereal and you watch cartoons on saturday morning. Not free. Just get dicken. Just get get to dicken. Not by the by the way as you can imagine unlike the judge john hodgman podcast. A dick town is kind of pg thirteen. There's some swear. Words no pigeons hoped for some adult themes like fear of mortality. Now definitely has some there. F bombs rated m. for mature. But i would say probably like your fifteen year old could totally take it. Yeah for sure. Yeah indica with part of your family not not for ruby also offer ruby. This is an anti streaming recommendation core. Line too scary too scary. For how old is she. She's five net too scary even saw when she was about nine on the debt and good hand. Yeah i would say. I would've said ten but not good nine could johnny familiar with With wonder shosen. I am familiar with wonder shows and yes. Yeah i beginning of the episode. Told this whole story about how i got this mystery box of. Dvd's in the mail from an ex girlfriend and that was one of my prize dvd's that she returned to me. And i proceeded to watch some of it with my eleven year old daughter. He has a very dark sense of humor. Forgot how dark it goes and there were a few skip this one and now this one is okay. This what you loved it. I i watch a lot of tv with my son and he's got very good taste. I'm trying to think of the movie that really surprised me that he loved. I can't i mean we hang on a second. He's like he's fifteen. Yeah is he into the dark humor. The dark memes things like no no. I mean i'm like he loves. He loves that movie will logically time. Yeah amazing. it's really surprising. And let you know. He's like every fifteen year old. He's just just binging the office and then going back and starting from the beginning the office. The office called do parks and rec three times through. Think he's working on what's the working on one. One of the universe moves emily. I think it's i'm kimmy schmidt again So that's what he likes to do for tv but for but for movies. He's got pretty pretty. He loved watching. I claudius with me when he was eight and there are some that was the probably the whereas like no a roman origins right. Just try figure you've got the internet you probably know it's like dad. Can i make another recommendation. yes i just. I just watched the season finale. I it's not everybody's cup of tea. I really enjoyed lovecraft country. Did you watch. Country have not seen it yet. I mean it's have you seen it. No you know. I keep talking about this with people. I did not get into it as much as i would have liked and i watched two episodes but i keep hearing that picks up a little later in that it gets real kind of disturbing so i kind of want to check it out again. Wanted to like it very much and hearing this from you cinches it for me. I'm going to give it another go. I think it's really worth watching a very episodic more than it is successful as an arc so each individual episode some of them. Are you know really really really amazing. And some of them are less. So you know what i mean like. They're trying out a lot of different things. It's not like when i when. I watched the first episode. I was blown away. I loved it. And i was like. Oh this is like watchmen. This is a piece of pulp entertainment. That has real social engaging with real social issues in a really interesting way and the whole thing is going to be airtight. and perfect. Which watchmen was one of my favourite. Tv shows of all time. Same agreed lovecraft. 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186: Taking A Secret War to The Enemy in Vietnam, w/ The Frenchman Doug Letourneau

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186: Taking A Secret War to The Enemy in Vietnam, w/ The Frenchman Doug Letourneau

"This is Jaakko podcast number. One Eighty six with me Jaakko willink among the newly minted Special Forces soldiers were Douglas L. Laterna. Oh Skinny Dini hundred thirty five pound California Cowboy John Shore a blonde haired slightly overweight baby-faced kid from Georgia and Frank mccloskey a tough combat hardened veteran of the hundred first Airborne Division mccloskey arrived sporting seepage from a wound in the back of his head. This tree of Green Berets had completed their special forces in country training program in not trying the Fifth Special Forces Group headquarters when the sergeant not training ask for Special Forces soldiers to volunteer for a secret project be raised their hands in short order. They were flown F. O.. Before in the northern sector of South Vietnam I corps upon reporting in they were told Camp Commander Colonel Jack Warren would brief them in the morning on the C._N._C. Mission in Southeast Asia finally after more than a year of training for maternal the game was on. How much better could this get? It seems all his life. You've been preparing for this moment. From writing Rodeo bronx breaking nearly every bone in his body to wrangling animals for television shows like Tari and Cowboy in Africa starring Chuck Connors Return New a little bit about taking a calculated risk and after he had got his hands on Robin Moore's book the Green Berets. He knew this was for him guerrilla warfare check counterinsurgency training cheque unconventional warfare check maternal couldn't wait to write his own story that he could someday share with his dad the ad a world war two B seventeen pilot and former P._O._W.. Nothing however could have prepared him for the site that greeted him as he entered the transient barracks their etched onto the concrete floor and forever and his memory was the chart outline of a man's body a grizzly reminder of the twenty three August nineteen sixty eight attack on F. O. before that fateful evening North Vietnamese sappers Viet Cong operatives killed eighteen eighteen green berets in a carefully executed sneak attack. The deadly side of guerrilla warfare was brought home to him right there. He was in a war zone. The enemy didn't play by any set rules. It was an unsettling event the next morning after breakfast. The trio walked over to S. three and chose their codenames. The Journal mccloskey and shore now became the Frenchman nam-woo and Bubba names that would stick with them far beyond their tours of duty in Vietnam because S. three was temporarily located in the headquarters section of F. O. B. Four since the attack it was a quick shuffle into the briefing room with everyone else. An intense short an intense short black haired man wearing pajamas slippers and a bathrobe walked in smoking a cigarette before award was spoken Colonel Warn abruptly pulled a white sheet off a large map with the flourish and toss the decide in announced I welcome to see and see men turning to the large map that had black tape boxed target deady designates on in Laos the D._M._Z. and north Vietnam he continued. This is what you volunteered for. This is why this is a top secret project. If anybody asks the president can say we have no men stationed in the A._l.. That is why you'll wear sterile fatigues and carry no form of identification of any kind on your missions. That's why you'd you agreed not to talk to anyone about this operation for at least twenty years our Intel reports land in the White House any questions not waiting for response worn continued to explain the difference between spike teams and hatchet force elements where the different F. O.. B.'s were located how F. O.. B. Three at case on was closed after the siege earlier in the year and how Major Clyde sincere junior had opened a site at my lock now designated F. O. B. Three following an update on intelligence reports in respective areas of operations colonel warn asked if anyone had any questions the turnover raised his hand. Where do you need help sir? We need men at F. O. B. One we lost a one zero on October fifth and some of the First Special Forces T._D._y.. Troops from Okinawa are returning back to the island. The turnover turned to shore award mccloskey and asked how about it F. O.. B. One sure nodded in the affirmative mccloskey said No. I think I'll stay here. The turnover turn back to warn and said we'll go nodding towards shore surprised at mccloskey's response without missing a beat worn told the remainder of the S._f.. Troops in the room that he'd be right back he turned a Latino in shore and said follow me as he headed out of the briefing room and into the three operation center he told the center staff to get a King be two F. O. before in an hour to transport eternal and shorts F. O. B. One asap next he headed s. one and told the clerk that the newbies were to be processed and cleared to go to fool by an hour later P._F._C.. Laterna inspect foreshore wherein a king be heading North Two F. O. B. One in that right there is an excerpt from the book across the fence which was written by. I'm John Striker Meyer nickname tilt who's a special forces soldier and saw RECON leader in Vietnam and we went deep with tilt on podcast one eighty one eighty one and one eighty two you and if you haven't listened to those podcasts stop this one right now and go back and listen to those first but if you have already listened to those podcast than you heard a little bit about Doug Latino codename the Frenchman and you know that he was also a special forces soldier Green Beret and was also a soccer team member in Vietnam and it is an absolute honor to have not only tilt back again on this podcast but he brought with him the Frenchman Himself Doug Maternal Gentlemen. Thank you for coming on to see you get good evening Sir good evening. Thank you for having us. They had great to beat you a great to have you both here and <hes> yeah. Let's talk a little bit about how you ended up there. I mean we you you glaze over in the book. We're we're riding Rodeo broncos. We're working in Hollywood tame animals. What was your upbringing that got? You got you there. Believe it or not I was born East L._A.. In the Barrio well that makes sense not yeah I know so living in the city. I got fortunate enough. When I got into high school then I got into a program called the future farmers as of America in the gave me a whole different way of looking at life and I ended up becoming President of the chapter but I had several Spanish speaking in Spanish people in our chapter one of the largest in all of southern California as it turned out well what these people I could became such good friends and their way of life and still working the fields of the San Fernando valley which was still open? I tended to lean towards the country way of life. Even though I was born and raised in the city and I do nothing about anything at all but city life but I tried to break away from that sat through the organization and the Western end of the San Fernando Valley well one thing led to another and I learned about you could go Rodeo and there was a place that I could go ride in practice we could do bull riding Bronco Riding Bareback riding and all the three no valley. This was actually out in thousand oaks. Okay at paramount studios. Okay Okay Yeah. They had a ranch right there and de Cooper's is what it was called those days and we could go here on Wednesday night and Saturday and Sunday ride and have jackpots and I got into it and then net one thing led to another got into college and I got on the college intercollegiate team and we traveled and Brody Odin and as I went through college I became adept to it and got into rope in with rope horses and on my own rope horse and it just the way of life changed from being a city slicker to to a cowboy where'd you go to college. I started out at Pierce Junior College at the in Woodland Hills Okay Shafran Outta Valley and then ended up with cal poly okay sound Lusa visible Mustang here so it through courses there and <hes> but basically <hes> we just just kept on going and then with the TV series were popular. Where a lot of animals there was an opening to be a wild animal trader at Africa U._S._A.? In San Canyon newhall up there. How old are you at this point? I I'm twenty okay and then we'll trainer sounds like you know another day. Akali jumped up there and before I knew it I was handling in Clarence to cross eyed line and judy chip and then they had a rope horse there they used in and they wanted me to call Dakota Duke and he wanted me to go out and capture all these animals by rope anum and they knew I could wrote. There's an actual picture of me on the front of string that was produced out Lancaster Antelope Valley <hes> me on the front cover roping tiger out of this office horse and that's what I did and I wrote elephants and I I wrote you know healed them healed giraffes and and I headed up White Rhino form coming Addison I turned him back and you know we they would do all these what they call avail- availability open land. It's a it's a African term and we just <hes> would turn these animals loose but somebody had to go get him so I I actually got to work on the on the TV series aries that was very popular called Dari and people would see the trucks zebra trucks. I went on Youtube and checked out some Doc Tari old footage classic show really and but it was shot and like Africa but actually was all done right there new all saugus compound and so from there we ran into a series called Cowboy Africa we bought John Chuck Connors in it and he was the star and Hugh O'Brian had actually done the original movie. There's a cowboy Africa and they shot it in Africa but here they are going to shoot it here in the United States and so I got the work with ostriches and all kinds of animals that they had to have around the the compound of the House that he was working out of in the series but one thing left to another but as it turned out <hes> one night somebody had amino ragged book is called Green Beret Robin more and I looked at it and read it and I couldn't put it down and I said this has got to be something that this Vietnam non war's been going on for quite a while. I grew up almost listened to it every day. This gotta be something going on that I need to contribute and I think this is what I WANNA do. I went down the next day very mixed day and signed up. What's the what year was that? And how old were you. I was twenty and this was like <hes> September just before it was like let's say because I went in September first so it was the day before so so august August thirtieth although what year though nineteen sixty eight nine thousand nine hundred sixty sixty seven sixty seven yes and I I actually entered the service of September number I nineteen sixty seven by that time he had obtained a college degree by tending classes at night so instead of going through the four year program the college with three years well I graduated while I was seventeen from high school from high school. DOC was early in with the classes night yeah as spare time and and like the the attitude towards the Vietnam War in nineteen sixty seven you know from the I mean especially when we think of Hollywood now we think of people that just are you know detest everything that has to do with the military most of the time and you're kind of in that Hollywood scene hanging around with all these people but that didn't rub off on you at all. It didn't happen that way in sixty seven sixty the eight it wasn't like wasn't like that back then I was shocked when I got back and I actually <hes> visited Bubba in on Peachtree in Atlanta Georgia and there was a anti rally Vietnam rally going down the street and I looked out the window and I said bubble what in the world is that he says those are and I wore protesters. I'd never seen never heard of it but but in sixty seven th everybody was still pretty patriotic God and didn't have that situation and a now. What about your old man? who was you know he he was raised as the son of a guy that was a b seventeen seventeen pilot? Yes <hes> a war hero in itself he was he ran thirteen missions. He was actually the first two missions in we're over Berlin. He was on the first two missions. The Bomb Berlin lend itself but he flew thirteen missions on his thirteenth mission <hes> they gave him a brand new airplane because his airplane had been shot up so bad with his crew that he brought from the United States and fluid fluid over to England that they had to give him a brand new airplane that morning and he took off and he had nine hundred ninety nine planes behind him he was point that day and he went over a target called Schweinfurt as it turned turned out Schweinfurt in four in forty four had lost fifty six airplanes and this day his entire squadron of twenty two out of twenty three were to be shot down that day and he was the first one down and they were using new tactics the Nazis were would they would lineup of Mr Smith's and one zero nine and in a row and go right through instead of coming around or coin on top they just go right through. They didn't care if they lost the planes or not and then they had faulk with one ninety s behind them and they they took out all these planes in very lead just to start the battle but no one could ever figure out why Schweinfurt was so protected and so many losses every time that was tried to be bombed and Gary during Eh Nuremberg trials he admitted that it was the only ball bearing factory the Germans owned without ball berries or would have been over within a matter of a few months and this whole war went on and on and on because neither the British or the U._S. could figure that you're that out and they should've bobbed it every day as what he said and the war would have been over what they would have had to surrender but just the cork and the whole situation but my dad ended up being my first airborne person in our family voluntarily and halo themselves altitude would they fly not ten thousand feet when he jumped because is playing N- caught on fire and they couldn't extinguish it his engines were on fire and he couldn't open the Bombay doors. The hydraulic system had been shot up he'd lot his radio operator had a twenty millimeter right through his stomach and they had to put a parachute on him and just shove him out the bottom door and it was pretty pretty hectic plane blew up in mid air but those that could got out and made the free fall to the ground. Tom And I'll pull their shoots and anyway my dad was attacked by farmers with pitchforks and thank God the Ca- stop-go and S._S. were there to retrieve him and push the farmers back he thought he was going to die right there. In the whole he sprained his ankle and he was kind of out of it and but anyway they hold him off and strung eam up and try to make him talk and you know the usual serial number number name and rank and then they put him install one which was an all officer camp had fifteen thousand officers that had been shot down that camp all the enlisted men went to enlisted stall dogs and he served thirteen months and the P._O._W.. Camp and then one morning they woke up and the Russians were there the Russians liberated and he was taken can home and that's the story and he became well known for in our town for what he did plus he had two brothers and mile alarming was given a silver over starbucks patent General Patton himself in France pinned on his chest and my uncle eddie flu corsairs so the Laterna brothers were quite act yesterday were so I had a lot to follow did Jesus is there. I ran thirteen missions. How ironic right ran thirteen missions one bright light? When Your Dad came home? What did he do? Did he get out armie. Did he was army. Air Court knows it wasn't the air force and so he he <hes> he tried doing a little bartending and a little this little that but he had been in construction he actually partnered partnered up with his it. My grandfather my grandpar- and it was laterna maternal construction company and he filtered back into the construction and started building because they needed homes every all Lee soldiers coming home and he built most Burbank Glendale into time and they did they always did quite well and got into commercial buildings and and I sort of followed into those footsteps eventually after I got back from the service so when you when you enlisted what did you how does your dad few about that well. He was not happy about it. 'cause Ila gave him a day's notice. I said I'm going. I'm going into the service. I'm going to go to Vietnam and I'm going to be a green beret but of course when we I enlisted they couldn't give me that it was the only M._l._s. that they could not give because it wasn't guaranteed they they could guarantee me anything else. They WanNa be an officer because I had a degree and I said No. I'm not going to go see us a one. I want to go and beat whatever it takes to be in special forces as it turned out in the long run. Whether you really WanNa hear the whole story it's up to you but I did end up being a green beret and going through all the processes and going through all the volunteer and being accepted and going into it and I'm past it but during that time you have to realize I'm just an e too I went in as an e one. I'm an e two on the lowest ranking there is and and the M._l._s. that I actually graduated with was apprised M._l._s. that only a few would maintain and that was heavy weapons and they go you can't be heavy weapons unless you're an e five five or above but when my turn came up to go in front of the panel my name being l. that's made it documented. That's why I can say this. I was the I e to ever to be accepted for. Weapons Opens M._O._S. training 'cause I told him exactly what I had in mind. I said come Monday morning. We've already gone through our phase. One and I've got my green beret and I said we need to go ruined. M._L._S. and I just want money. I can start. I said when that M._O._S. has done is so happens face to of graduation exercise your go out in the field for two weeks in survival mode. I said it it will start immediately. The following Monday I said and I can be in Vietnam in the next three months <hes> and they looked at me and said you got it so if you look at the orders everything from L. Does e e e to E. Three four was in my weapons class because I started something that couldn't be turned back tide turned so when I got the Vietnam and my first assignment to F. O. B. One I'm now p._F._c.. He three and Pat Watkins who has the D._N._C. Distinguished Service Cross from his <hes> Time It on August twenty third when F. O.. Before was attacked. He told everybody there must be one bad soma bitch coming up here because he's a p._F._C.'s eleven charlie s S._f.. He said he's been busted busted down so far. He's gotta be bad. A soldier working on land I showed up and he looked at me. He goes you are always greener grass in new Nutley uh-huh just been trained ARD. That's a good that's a good way to kick it off. Man will be one yeah yeah. What are you going through? The how long was the. How long was the block training that you see you go through boot camp? How long was the S._F.? After training was that total well I had to go through boot camp and that's where I had volunteered to even be go through the acceptance of trying to be a assigned to S._F.. Training then I went into advance <hes> A._I._T.. I._T.. which is a advanced infantry training? You had to go through that and you also had to sign up for airborne training so you had to go through all all the basics and come out as an eleven B which was a small infantry arms arms so anyway <hes> the jump yeah jump school but I went through the the nomination part of taking tests and physical tests and swimming everything think and then interviews with the S._F.. Guys that were there that were in charge of selecting who was going to go. We start out with three hundred fifty men volunteering to go through this acceptance. The only took thirty five and the end of the deal. I was one of the thirty five I went onto airborne school the next day and went through jump school at Fort Benning Georgia they put us after our last jump which was out of the old boss car one nineteen and then they came in with the new jets and so I kind of proud of that and we went on a bus that night all the way to Fort Bragg and got there in the early morning hours of Saturday a Saturday morning and Monday morning we were in formation for very first Dave training in in special forces and that that blocked there was two weeks out and survival survival phase one eight weeks of training after that and then another two weeks of our graduation exercises where we're trained to overtake government. That's what's mentioned forces does is actually over takeover governments governments and trained guerrillas do so and so then thirty days later I was in Vietnam was the the I'm sure the focus must have been like one hundred percent on. Hey you're going to be a non. We know you're going to Vietnam. This is what it's going to be like. This is what you're dealing with. When I graduated the colonel stood in front of us the head of all of trading group and said I don't want one of you volunteer for Fifth Group Spin Vietnam? We spent too much money on you. You just gotTa go there and die. You stay here. Pick any other group. I'M GONNA go down the line with the command sergeant major and he's going to tell me what group you WanNa go to. I had twenty three graduates in my class all but three volunteered Vietnam he was not happy what I think like why does why is someone during the Vietnam War going to join special forces unless they want to go to Vietnam exactly but in my mind there was something wrong it'd been going on for years and special forces had been there before it was a war advising amazing and I just could not figure that out and I said I've got to go. I've got to see why is taking so long. It's taking longer than the World War Two now five years so why is it taking so dang long so I said I've got to get there and do something about it. That's how I my attitude was. Frenchman's Comey is going to handle this. They see oh. I see all right. I'm going to go to the book here going this is this is going back to across the fence and <hes> obviously I told everyone to buy this 'cause I've been reading chunks of it and if you haven't bought it yet just by it right now <hes> written by John Striker Meyer so this is a section where he's he's right about the Frenchman so here we go within twenty four hours to turn on shore were on RECON teams at F. O. B. One in the immediately began training immediate reaction drills weapons and explosives training reviewing team. S._O._A._P.'s practicing helicopter extractions on strings and practicing wiretaps as October yielded to November. Many of the members of the two RECON teams began to build a report because they were doing so much training together on the food by range in additional attornal ensure also quickly learned that the veteran indigenous personnel on their teams were highly skilled and fearless warriors one night while the turnover was recording a verbal message for his parents on his portable cassette player lap the young point man on S.. T. Virginia came into his room and spoken to the recorder. I WanNa tell you parents of private Latino not to worry about him. We respect him and I'll keep an eye out for him and don't worry if an enemy shoots at him. I'll catch the bullets with my body. I'll protect your son. Thank you for sending him to Vietnam. He's a good soldier that was the kid was like sixteen years old and he was our point man who knows how many kills he had. He was fearless. His parents had been both killed. He was adopted in the song he was raised in lived and fought in Sauk any prided himself on trying to learn how to speak English because he wanted to be number one interpreter yeah. How'd your parents liked that? Did they ever get the tape. They got the tape yeah. I wish I knew where they were. They passed away. We couldn't find him but yeah it was amazing and my dad knew right then and there wasn't coming on. He knew I wasn't coming home and he didn't. He had to try to keep my mother for firm figuring that out but he knew that I would not be let come whole because of the secret missions he figured they would the government would take me out before they would let me come home with what I knew and lap is a kind of Vietnamese southie museum that you never heard about <hes> that we work with every day and we're live today. Thanks to them <hes> we our lives to him. Oh Yeah we do at a couple of king be pilots. It's true distractions. I have thirteen string extractions thirteen for thirteen. Yes lucky thirteen. My Dad said life. He had thirteen hundred bombing hours flight hours but he also had thirteen months in the P._O._W.. And it was also shot down on Friday the thirteenth April Thirteen April thirteenth you know superstition here on all right continuing on a few days before Thanksgiving S. T. Virginia's one zero childress announced that an operation ordered come down from the S. three the team had a mission in the western section of the D._M._Z. and then I'm GonNa fast forward a little bit here to a guy named McGovern quiet-spoken McGovern gave him a Ri- half smile and said we can't have that you need to have a car fifteen for your first mission follow me. The dual walked over to McGovern's room. He opened his locker and pulled out a clean car fifteen in handed it till the turn Oh this is a special car fifteen. He said according to official army records this car fifteen eighteen was written off as a combat loss at F. O. B. Three in case on meaning as far as the army's concerned. This weapon doesn't exist some day after successful tour of duty and Vietnam. If you're so inclined you can take this baby home with you because it doesn't exist but as you can and see it does and it's a sweet weapon. It never failed me and I know that since your weapons manual take good care of it up to this point laterna would use an M._16. For All of his training now with his car fifteen he was ready to take on the world true. It was a mean weapon. You see it in that picture. Yeah Yeah Book has the picture of yeah the end just Joe's rocking those twenty twenty round mags. I everytime those pictures you guys with those twenty round mags. I just I carry I carried twenty five of them stuffed into the canteen covers. We didn't carry food per se all my food I had <hes> zippers sowed into my sleeves up on my shoulders left and right and I would roll up dry dehydrated rice with electrical tape instead of one full ration I took one full ration of food and cut it into five different days for maximum output and we only eight once a day and we just put we only had four courts water because 'cause we didn't want to carry anymore waked or anymore anything else but ammunition we carried all ammunition grenades am seventy nine shells because we carried sawed off m seventy nine and so that's all we carried was ammunition because when we go in that's our supply. There's no resupply it's all up to us and many time we came back with nothing and had to resupply ourselves because we got down to the last bullet many times twenty five. What was your legitimate you load outweighed? Yes my web gear with all the clips and everything in it and all the water all weighed seventy five pounds my rucksack because I carried the radio the P._R.. See twenty-five c.. Four claymores blasting caps all everything that you needed an extra antenna all all that stuff inside was another seventy five pounds. I wait hundred thirty five. I carry one hundred fifty pounds in the field. Yeah that's crazy. That's that's crazy. thous everybody's load the indulge are mercenaries. They carried probably one hundred thirty pounds and they probably didn't way more than one hundred twenty on in fifteen his continuing on the opportunity arrived on Thanksgiving Day nineteen sixty eight after the weather cleared at the qua- try launch site Kwang. Try that right tree Kwong Long Tree Launch Site S._T.. Virginia boarded the King Bees and headed west of the target area with three American four South Vietnamese team members lap the seventeen year old hardcore point man who had run many missions hone. Is that right. it is home the interpreter chou the seventy-nine operator and con cowboy don'- who had fought valiantly besides lynn am black junior with s. t. alabama as the second sikorsky turned westward two hundred thirty five pound but turano went through a mental checklist of everything he was carrying mcgovern's car fifteen the p._r. see twenty five f._m. radio an extra battery for it assad off them seventy nine m seventy nine grenade launcher a twenty two caliber high-standard pistol with silencer ammunition for all weapons hand-grenades gas masks smoke grenades a camera and five special bags of dehydrated rice he quickly realized he was carrying more than one hundred pounds a gear his inner thoughts were jarred when the door gunnar test-fired is thirty caliber machine gun without announcing his intention to anyone with a within a matter of seconds the king be cut power and began tight downward spiral into the l z where childress lieutenant hone and lap already waiting the dizzying downward spiral ended as the pilot read the engine and landed on the l z chou exited the age thirty four with turno and cowboy following him into the woodbine connecting with the remaining members of the team the king be lifted off and the l z quickly cleared the target area and then there was absolute silence so does your first your first mission insert right there i answer you talked about i'm not knowing what to do but we just dropped out of the sky nowhere and i mean it was adrenaline rush but you know aw i'd been reopened tigers rhinos and riding bulls and bronx and it just it just came to me you know but it but it was i mean i'm here all my training all let time over a year i'm here this is it this is the day now you question whether you're going to stand up to it because you know the enemies there we didn't go there for because it wasn't we went there because there was a trail that needed to be followed and find out who's running that trail the the door gunnar test-fire in that thirty khow just is a good wakeup call though <music> i'm sitting in the door this right over my head and not only that are king bees were so stripped that they were so light compared to the regular h thirty four marine ships they could out fly them in heights and we get up over in those mountains in those high ranges and stuff and but they drift oil and they had oil going down your neck and then when he shot that thirty count over the top of the hot brass hit me in the net it crime scare the crap out almost jumped out back to the book the audio contrast was startled startling as laterna senses adjusted a quiet he scoped out the l z which was in a deep valley between three jungled covered mountains gradually sounds of the jungle resurfaced birds chirping bugs homing after ten minutes childress signaled cherno to radio oh covey with the team okay the insertion was successful no enemy activity evident children's move the team toward the first mountain movement was slowed by tall elephant grass and the only communication between the team members was hand signals the team moved in ten minute intervals stopping every ten minutes to listen to what was going on around it after more than an hour the team finally emerged from the elephant grass as it continued to climb the first mountain laterna was on hyper alert his heart pounding hard whether sitting in a long rest period or moving up the mountain near the top of the mountain lap pointed out an observation platform that had been cut to the jungle high off the ground from that platform anyone could observe the l z and the valley where the team was inserted as well as the other open areas that could be used for landing helicopters had a trail watcher been sitting on the platform when s. t. virginia flew into the l z if so where was he headed and win with the envy a hit the team late in the day the team finally reached the top of the mountain and found a wide will use trail laterna s- i thought was how could anyone be out here in the middle of this in the middle of nowhere in this thick jungle regardless the team set up it's night perimeter far above above the trail where could see anyone moving while remaining camouflage and out of sight at last light children's made the final kamo check with covey as the team settled in for its first night in the jungle it was an uneventful night children's did a midnight kamo check with hillsborough the night command aircraft that flew high above the hotel in trail and the d._m._z. and checked in with covey in the early morning after the team ate breakfast and shifts children's directed lap to move parallel to the trail with cowboy as the tail gunner in the light of margin and laterna walking in front cowboy the team moved slowly in less than ten minute intervals before taking breaks to listen to the surrounding sounds they did this because moving next to the trail was fraught with inherent risks so there's your first night out in the jungle yeah relatively mellow it was but the mosquitoes were huge in we were corvettes around our head we actually use those fraternity gets is more as we could pull them down over our ears face garden and pick those mosquitoes out the next day because they were like cranes and i mean then you have to realize allies to that's the first meal for an entire day with one hundred hundred degree weather and only one quarter of water a sip in the morning noon a little bit for the dehydrated rice at night and a sip this wash it down with them there's one court gone for the day it couldn't allow yourself to drink ever accept on those intervals and you didn't you didn't did you guys plan to resupply water like did you guys look the maps and see nancy rivers or anything no streams no nothing so you plan to one quarter day one quarter date we think that is not healthy i know i know your trainer that's what we had to allow ourselves there because of the wait you know a gallon of water seven point five is so we ado judge are wait a versus ammunition and we that's what we train ourselves to do and not only that we also took pills so that we wouldn't go to the bathroom either mhm because they could smell you on smell in american that's why we had to eat rice and eat everything they ate otherwise they'd smell you you know m._r._i.'s and and can't see rations all that stuff they could smell out for miles and they had trackers out there and yet watch for those which i think you'll get to but just that water rations what you i trained myself for a year to do that i did that all the time 'cause we figured we'd be out in the six six day we come out in the six day so we'd have no water on the last day but we could survive the five days do you ever take any casualties guys that went down from lack of water actually never did that's amazing never in the desert hurt we would even a training guys we'd have guys go down like on a on a two day operation i have guys go down from lack of water i've had guys go down and training and you stateside <hes> but i never had any our guys we would i'm talking to say we talk a little different in the desert to yeah and because you got shade your triple canopy so you're you actually are got shade under an over the top you're not in open areas you never go in an open area you always follow the the canopy but you have to move slowly because it's so darn thick so it takes time and you have the tail gunners job is to cover the trail <hes> try to put if you everybody buddy walks and everybody's footprint if you try that's what you're supposed to do everybody has an area the cover one guy turns the right and the other guy turns the left point man covers the one eighty in front tailgunner because of the one eighty and back and we train like that we don't turn our backs and look at what the other guys doing we only concentrate on our area and keep that area clean unless we have to move in that direction than we all turn that way and move <hes> it's a precision it's a precision movement that we practice we train like that every time we were back in camp we trained how to move that's why r._t. virginia r._t. idaho oh or survivable teams besides the adding that luck of the gods with you know sometimes you gotta make your own luck a little bit through and you we we talk about that all the time like we would train all the time would patrol patrol around the compound rehearse rehearse rehearse get there's always shocked he would get in and out of the trucks like we'd have a big a big giant truck to transport troops in but with us raids with those things and we practice get now you know l. like okay because if this takes you seven seconds if you're in a firefight i mean seven sex this long time to be trying to get out of a truck that people are launching grenades at you know and so we'd practice so we could do it quickly do at night do it in the darker gear on you know reverse order do it again and that's what we do so that we'd be you know ready we're both it's the same thing we actually working out of f. o. before we had <hes> island called monkey mountain and we go over there and we set up a course to walk from one side to the other and that's how we would train so that we we could continually upgrade how we walked and you guys didn't i've talk to tilt about this you guys didn't bring mosquito nets in a field where over your head never that would be what we had was what they called believe it or not they had mosquito repellent that was u._s. army issue but we also had max factor that did the makeup okay what's that all about the grease paint camouflage pay off long yeah and what we would do is take the repellent and mix it in our poems scored into our palms and put the grease pain in our palms and then girl with the paint over our face for cover our highlights there's no reflections and besides that that i use the electrical tape and wrapped up my my trousers at the bottom around my my boots so to keep the leeches out but also that closed off and then i also did that around the risks of my arms and then we were we are car fifteen or so hot that we had to wear gloves with a few fingers cut out them we looked like michael jackson way before his time i wish you told me about take grease paint idea like that you didn't know that now didn't see i'll go a little late the base mosquito repellent and the grease paint mixed together made a very guli mess but it would keep them off the face you know and when you're at night when they were their worst you could pull that corvette down and you know keep them out of your ears and they would stay off your face because they didn't want anything to do with it and we always carry just a little extra with us to keep it going you know because being out there for five days you know the most most i mean most of the time we get shot out in a day two days three days but i had the luck of having several five and seven day missions i i was able to stay out a long time as our teams progressed further deeper they didn't think we'd go that far but we went deeper than anybody could ever go we got down to some of our missions layoffs with one minute on time with the king be there was no bringing this out once they dropped us on the ground it was over with they had to go back and get fuel so no ten minutes station time i'm busy strapped you and left to do but they weren't expecting us that far we could get right into catch him off guard alright going back to the book has s. t. virginia moved up the second mountain cowboy and latino began to hear women's voices off the trail cowboy orage laterna to go explore the sound letourneau shook his head no indicating had to stay with the team cowboy who spoke broken english repeated the suggestion adding it could be a small envy a village we could kill everyone and make the n._b._a. beaucoup angry we want to let them know we can hurt them the same way they attack our camps and villages but turn out again declined and gave him the hand signal to plant some m fourteen anti-personnel mines on the trail behind them in case the n._b._a. soldiers were trailing them as a team moved on maternal planet a few more topers and mark their locations on his map for after covering them expertly he laid down some powdered mustard gas on the ground for any tracker dogs that might follow their trail the mustard gas was leftover from world war one how it landed at fhu by remained a mystery to latino the good news was that it still worked the fact that it was the fact was confirmed during the next break when the team heard a dog howling anguish after snorting some of the old mustard gas maybe it didn't work that well because a few minutes later the dog was back on the teams trail cowboy told the turnover to use his pistol to kill the dog the turnovers mind flash back to special forces trading group or instructors had said the same thing the turano pulled out the twenty two quietly move back down the trail rail took off his rocker rucksack and moved a few more feet before lying down on the ground facing the trail the dog never realized the turner was there when the dog was about ten feet away letourneau fired one shot it struck the dog between the is killing william instantly the canine dropped his tracks out turnovers view on aware of what had happened the dogs handler moved up the trail he got near the dead dog when he got near the dead dog he stepped on to- popper the turn on cowboy heard the n._b._a. screaming and pain in anguish they left him behind figuring he would die shortly the team moved further up the mountain with laterna and cowboy providing security again laterna in cowboy heard women's voices below them again cowboy urged the turn to go downhill and attack the encampment treatment and again latino declined that's a that's so these guys are on you obviously at this point when when you are you guys are still heading up the mountain because but but do you think you can get away from them wh what is your point what is your what is your what are you trying to accomplish at this point at this point we're trying to get away from the tracker but i've managed to take care of the tractor we don't know how many people are there we keep hearing the voices of women's voices blois cowboy keeps wanting me to go down there with him trying to confuse the whole situation because he wants to kill him because he says it'll make a mad and they'll come after us really get into it well cowboy just got off mission on october fifth which is in the book where they decimated a ten thousand man division a whole thing's eight and a half hours they took down eighty five percent of them with an eight-man team incredible but it's true they stack bodies up for sandbags that's how many they were killing so fast but he was insistent but i totally we can't do that because i can't split the team i have to do it my one zero says i'm i'm just a one to i'm i'm well man on the totem pole here and there's even a lieutenant with us but he's he's the one he's he's actually below my sergeant because there's no rank in song that was one of the things that always took me back was there was no rank and saw g- we didn't carry rank we didn't wear rank is whoever was there the longest that lived the longest was the ten headman type these the one zero whoever lived the longest was the one zero and that's how it went down in that one zero was killed one one took over and usually took over the team for from there on until he was killed and then the next next one the one to would take over he would because he'd stepped up to the one one position that's how we progressed with our teams because everybody was killed one as as it has we went along we were just lucky but i did lose my one zero gunther wall and of course children's went home in he was lost to an automobile accident and so it's just you know but that's how that progressing at this point this is your first mission you got it's like <hes> i'm trying to do everything right yeah and you're getting the full benefit i mission you've got the dog track of you you got the n._b._a. encampment down below oh you got the women's voices you've got the tracker coming up behind the dog i mean it's he's hitting the tow popper this is like and we know everything everything you were hoping for here it is here and we know the n._b._a.'s there because the jungle in families are there so we know of course we were thinking to maybe they they're the trackers families to you know because they would hire trackers they tell the trackers you either track for us will kill you and so they have no choices because they're just gelt they're living trying to survive so you're trying to get up the mountain get away from the tracker was it possible to shake the trackers was possible like actually lose them sometimes sometimes <hes> or did you feel like once trackers were on you you're pretty much head into your extract exactly exactly because they were they were communicating and in some way of fashion let the n._b._a. no we fought regular juice we never shot fought the viet viet cong that the call the v._c. we we we actually fought uniformed n._b._a. and the regular army northeast had but we needed to get off the keep off the trail and keep going because we needed to find out where this trail was going this was our mission to try to figure out where this trail went it we did accomplish it in in the end because i went on a second mission later in the book canoe and i found actually went into north vietnam and with inserted on christmas a sixty eight in north vietnam on the same trail but higher up and that's a whole different story we're here we're going back to this story here we go by the time latino completed his last radio call the covey the team was enveloped in darkness and team members began to set up a perimeter for the night light dawn broke without any enemy activity when covey flew over the team in the morning he warned children's that a team was being extracted extracted under heavy fire and another was being inserted into a top priority target sit tight was the last instruction from covey s. t. virginia didn't move from it's quiet spot alongside the mountain during lunch hour the member each member eight and shifts and laterna went out to inspect the claymore mines the team had deployed to ensure the envy a hadn't turned the deadly explosive devices around to face toward them when he completed his inspection laterna found a log to sit behind the envy would actually do that they crawl up your perimeter and turn your claims triple canopy you don't you could pass up within two feet of you they they could be two feet away from it and you would know it that's how thick the jungle is and you'd see a foot you know you think combat you might see a foot shoot the foot as long as you shot the foot you know he was down he would go to survive they had no hospitals you see you count that as a as a kill but you know but you can see you just had to mow down the jungle open it up guess we're there the queen traces coming out gave a clue yeah yeah just shocking to me that they they would crawl up and try and turn around your claymore mines so that when you when they attacked you then you clack off your claim wars and boom you're actually klay morning yourself later on the c._i._a. gave us a piece of equipment that i carried that had little thread out of a box and you could wrap that whole thread around here your encampment where you a._o. is right at the moment and put in your ear and if that's thread was broke it would sound a buzzing noise in your ear and you knew somebody somebody came through it could have been an animal but you knew somebody came through your perimeter you just had to put it in front of all your claymores and then to stop it you just little batch and burnt it you use the next day the next time once when i had that my perimeters always covered going back to the book later in the afternoon children's signal the team to pull in their claymore mines prepare to move out due to the combined weight of his rucksack and web gear turn a move to his knees and slung as rucksack on his back just as it landed on his back a._k._47.'s opened fire laterna was slammed to the ground face i the impact act so severe he thought he had broken his nose startled the turnover jumped up with his car fifteen pointing toward the a._k._47. gunfire that was near the front of the team surprise that there was no envy a near him laterna removed the rucksack to discover that four a._k._47. rounds had ripped through the twenty three pound p._r._c. twenty five he reached into an especially especially tailored pocket on his fatigue shirt which was so with verticals zippers one on the left side of the shirt and one of the right side between between the top and bottom of the pockets of the shirt pulled out his you are see ten emergency radio and broadcast a general alert for any aircraft in the area s._t. virginia was declaring a prairie fire emergency so this is your first fire from the enemy you could shop the radio four four rounds into radio knock you down yeah i didn't know nothing all i knew my but knows was busted thought it was anyway and then i'm going i'm having to think what am i supposed to do and i was my first reaction meanwhile my one zero children's was mad as hell at me because he says bring me that damn radio entertaining could do crap for us i eh working i think it's shot up and i said don't work there's no signal and so i brought it to him well needless to say i was standing up what i brought it to him and he's laying on the ground and he grabbed me says this can't you just get down well a._k._47. rounds or hitting all over us we're in the middle of a firefight artwork returned fire me i'm still standing there in shock and told me to the ground saved my life and he he says he looks at the radio real quick and he goes the antennas been shot off that was the fifth round that went through a breach between my rut sack and my web gear and pulled out my spare antenna and screwed rooted on and we had komo radio was good to go air condition just then pat watkins's flying over our covey writer and and he called we he is what was going on he could see it from where his location was in the air and he he could see we were taking massive amounts of fire and he called for an extraction from hong tree and they they brought the king bees in <music> get us you know yeah yeah the once he got that once he got once he got the radio back for you and it started working children screams into the radio we need an ex ville now declaring prairie fire emergency is anyone out there with a second or two there was a response calm down childress i realize you're under fire said a covy rider just at that moment several a._k._47.'s opened up from the woodlined near the log will eternal had been unceremoniously slammed onto his face lap and cowboy returned fire covey rider continued we heard your team declare prairie fire emergency on the guard frequency and have rallied the cavalry what's your mark do you have an insight before children's said a word of the radio he turned to latino and said see it works suppose rose we left it for the n._b._a. never say never ever leave a radio behind as if to emphasize that point the envy a opened fire again as lap took as that began looking for an l z while moving the team down the hill away from the most concentrated v._a. gunfire of cutting latino no slack children's roared tell covey will give him a fixed and five minutes we'll probably need strings to get out of here i doubt we can make it into the valley where it can be king be can pick us up without missing a beat laterna who for the first time felt four burning mm stings in his back repeat those words to covey while he and cowboy begin providing cover fire as the tail element of the team then the turnover nodded a cowboy who ignited several klay more minds at the team had set out on his perimeter those was mine only slowed the n._b._a. for a few seconds before the dust debris from the blast settled the n._b._a. soldiers were moving through it toward cowboy and latino without saying a word the two men turns firing at the enemy while moving down the hill rotating around each other cowboy would fire several bursts from his car fifteen and then reload as he reloaded laterna would open fire providing cover covering fire for the team the classic covering move scenario yes just the way we drill it that's right and it just came natural believe it or not just came natural what part of it just came natural just load and fire it move load and fired move load and fire and it just it we had to get in the team came together are firepower you can only imagine what a full team firepower with all car fifteen m seventy nine thousand claymore mines going off they knew they had a battle but they were overpowering us yeah i talked about this with tilt as well like the determination of of them where you think of the insurgents insurgent army you know their rule is okay we don't we don't need to fight we don't need to win this firefight we don't need to win this battle because we're going to be here for a long time we can wait we will fight when we wanna fight and the way that they attacked you guys and law took so many losses but continued depressing continue to press like they're they're are fighting spirit was high well let me give you a backdrop on that maybe tilt hasn't even got to that after the war's over with and history starts evolving in the books and people start asking questions we find out that they've got forty thousand troops hunting us down hunting sauger's down and there's a huge bounty on us we heard hundred thousand two hundred thousand dollars the killing american american team and had to kill an american award they kill somebody they got the award and the bonus <hes> and they're instant heroes in hanoi forever it meant everything to them to kill us and they they put forty thousand troops designated that we had tied up because they wanted to kill us because we did so much damage to go ahead speaking of damage during one short lol cowboy game plan to claim more mine in the direction of the advancing envy a and laterna dugout another claim more from his rucksack and place to ten second delay fusing it when the n._b._a. again advanced cowboy ignited his clayborn mind klay more mind when the n._b._a. moved again toward the team laterna ignited his views and ran down the hill with cowboy to catch up to their team before they reach the team to be forty anti personnel rockets slammed into the trees above them showering them with shrapnel a few more exploded as latino and cowboy moved down the hill the ten second then the ten second fuse ignited another claim more it brought a bought precious time for the gun and run team of laterna and cowboy to cover ground and catch up with the remainder of s. t. virginia would you guys drill pulling out those claymores with the ten second fuse and hooking them up and setting them up i mean you know it takes a little bit of time to do that did you have them pre rigged where you could just stick them in the ground how did you guys do that we did we had a pre rid everybody says we can't have your blasting caps with your they hit to blast cash is going to blow you to smithereens the abbot those precious seconds when me and i the headline in my red sox pre rigged there you go and with us what bubba had his pre cut so we had defy second ten second and then longer and then you had to actual cracker itself with the full standard cord that you could blow david i'll give you more just how long was that court fifty fifty feet and so you can put the claim were down the tree pullback and they hit hand-held there as we did that one mission we're using the five seconds to bubba putin but they were pre cut and had them ready go so he just put the fuse input stick it in the ground yeah the little stakes the standard glenmore stakes boom jamming in the ground in your good yeah so you're setting those things up and like ten seconds she always had to make sure they pointed the right way eh point towards the run towards enemy the back <hes> continue on his shoulders called an air strikes eternal reflected on how surreal this firefight had been it wasn't like anything anything he witnessed on television or in any movie instead of men charging each other and killing each other in plain sight here in triple-canopy jungle he observed green tracers from a._k._47.'s i or at the most enemy hand or foot and somehow the n._b._a. found firing lanes where they could launch shoulder held be forty anti personnel rockets that slammed above and around them as they raised down the hill for their lives again the end the voices of the special forces instructors echoed in his mind they had told the young aspiring green berets at fort bragg that the n._b._a. was tough resilient opponent many had fought against the japanese during world war two and against the french driving them from vietnam in nineteen fifty four after the battle of denby few in north vietnam the sounds of king bees and the distance and the crashing funder be forty rockets slamming into trees above his head shukla turano out of his moment of introspection and turned his undivided attention to crescendo of a._k._47. fire from the enemy s._t. virginia virginia responded with volley after volley of full and semiautomatic gunfire while the turnover and show fired several m seventy nine rounds toward the densest section of the jungle where the a._k._47. gunfire was emanating through gunfire someone pop to smoke grenade which brought the king b.'s closer to r._t. virginia's location in the jungle over the din of gunfire children cowboy told everyone to put their swiss seats on and prepare for an extraction in short order a king be was hovering over s. t. virginia more than one hundred twenty five feet above the jungle floor laterna cowboy show in hone <unk> hook they're d- rings into the old mcguire rig that hung from the end of the ropes and shortly were being lifted out of the jungle as the quartet of recon men was being lifted into the air the envy only envy a unleashed another salve a._k._47. gunfire and several be forty rockets shrapnel from the rockets hit them with varying degrees of size velocity all the number wounded during those explosions that latino realized his car fifteen and somehow been caught in a rope above him just far enough away that he couldn't reach it he pulled out his m seventy nine and launched a forty millimeter grenade toward the n._b._a. positions now all he could see for of the enemy were hundreds of muzzle blast from a._k._47.'s in green tracers regret tracer rounds eerily climbing toward the quartet of s. t. virginia men before he could reload his m seventy nine the king be began to move away from the target area surprising because the men had not yet cleared the jungle instead of continuing to climb out of the target moving straight up until the men cleared the jungle triple canopy of trees and vegetation the king be was moving away from the target area do too heavy enemy ground fire wire in recent months at least two king bees were shot down during string extractions from hop targets but these facts were unknown to laterna at the time shrapnel from the be forty rockets exploded around s. t. virginia men stinging them with bits of hot metal further other spooking the king be crew maternal begin to violently collide with tall jungled trees feeling like a metal ball and a pinball machine laterna caromed off several more trees as of his Swiss seat during a rope extraction another tree struck laterna before he was able to muster a surge of strength and momentum to reach up and grab the rope above him as as his body finally cleared the tree top the only thing between him and certain in-depth blow on the jungle floor two hundred feet down was the single piece of rope tied into the King Bee gees just another day. Dan saw just another day in sog and I had thirteen of those like that. How did you guys when when you're getting hit with all that and you're shooting back hanging in from a string I mean that's just like completely insane that that no one died on that on that rope on that extraction and you're also spinning just the rotation now get knocked around strings just spinning bending and the air's flowing past you and you're having you know you're just trying everything you do stick with it but that was my first mission <hes> later on I they've finally realized that I didn't have extra de ring on my web geared to strap in? That's why I was falling over backwards. I did that twice then I finally found out from my good buddy here tilt that I was doing wrong but because after my second mission children's had left but he had not given me that information out of all our training had not thought about it. He was extracted another jobber so he didn't see that Hap- this just it's it's unbelievable when I when i read these things I just can't it's hard to even fathom the the mayhem when you're talking about. Just all these be forty rockets which is basically R._p._G.. Exactly an older our R._p._G.. <hes> it's crazy going back to the book with one final urgent. Poll turn was able to move himself upright in the Swiss. Does the king be continued to climb higher into the sky distance distancing itself from the furet exploding be forty and A._K._47. Gunfire while gaining airspeed as the king ascended the heavily sweating Latino Clung to the rope as another sensation overwhelmed his body chattering teeth within a matter of minutes that king be had climbed to an altitude of more than five thousand feet where the air is thinner and much much colder than on the jungle floor so much colder that turns body began shaking violently from the dipping temperatures as the king be continued to climb into the safety of higher altitude in ordinary circumstances few people would ever think about freezing to death over Southeast Asia but for the men and C._N._C.. NC was just another hurdle they had to clear as the king be headed east maternal. Look down on the spots in the jungle that appeared to be goodell's thinking. Why don't you laying there but as T- Virginia's collective agony continued until the king? B.'s finally landed in South Vietnam Tom by that time every member of S. G. F. S. T. Virginia had their circulation cut off to their legs. They couldn't stand or walk all they could do as unhooked from their Swiss seat. Grab their stuff and try and get the circulation going again in their legs while the door Gunnar helped them to get back back to the king be when the team returned to Quang Tri Quang Tree country launch site before heading south to Fu by children's pulled the Turano aside then told him take good care of that radio. You'RE GONNA take it on the next commission whether you like it or not. Was He gonNa make you bring the shot up radio yeah he did. We did saved his life tilts life in the end. Now's that the Christmas Day Michelle Okay we had the Intel report was at the same radio. You brought a shot up radio interview not me I got one hundred mile skip out of it. That's ridiculous as darkness fell King. B.'s lifted off from Kwang Tree for free by when the old war boards landed on F. O. B. One Landing Zone S. T. Virginia was greeted by one man former S. T. Virginia one zero John McGovern. He greeted each of the team members as they. He's exited the King B.'s asking each one. Are you okay after the king. B.'s departed bathing them in sand dust and L Z debris kicked up by the propwash McGovern asked childress. Did you hear about Bater. A tall children's shook his head. No what happened November thirteenth. We lost a king be with seven S._F.. Troops on it we lost the entire king be crew. They were a bunch of straphangers who volunteered to pill poll an elder son mission on the trail but an anti-aircraft anti-aircraft round hit the king be en route to the target it exploded in mid air. They never had a chance in silence. McGovern drove the tired dirty and hungry team back to the team room as the Vietnamese team members climbed off the truck McGovern overturned Latino and said you know it was really scary about that mission the day before they got shot down me Linh Black Rick Howard John Peters Tim Chef and a few others had volunteered and we're actually on the king. B.'s suited up ready to go only only to be cancelled last minute by bad whiskey x ray which is weather in the A._O.. That was to close for comfort after a long pause pause Laterna oh he has the turno. How did it go out there? I heard you were good on the radio. You didn't get rattled told you ain't a cheery no more. You've joined a small unique club of S._F.. Men C._N._C. Recon men who went across the fence. It was nothing like I ever could've imagined maternal responded looking toward the Vietnamese team members as he added. Let me get some child for the indigenous. You'll write about them. They have ice in their veins. I'm beat. I'll see you in the morning. Laterna walked through the white sand to the mess hall picked up some fresh sandwiches and cold sodas for the team. After lingering with the Vietnamese team members maternal returned to his room finally taking off as rucksack and web gear as he started to undress Latino became aware of pain in his back where from where the four A._K._47. Rounds had slammed him face face. I into the ground I appealed off his jungle. Fatigue shirt was amazed to find four bullet holes in it. Then he took off his undershirt Ditto for bullet holes rennet Letourneau picked up his rucksack for bullet holes ruin it both in the front a. and the back something he had realized during the firefight then he looked in the mirror and saw four large welts and broken skin up his spine where the A._K.. Forty seven rounds had hit his body after punching through his rucksack and the P._R.. See twenty-five only then let the Latino begin to crump comprehend just how lucky had been hours earlier in the day when the envy a shot him in the back four times the turnover began to cut away the metal the black electrical tape around his socks wchs which he pulled up over his pant legs to keep leeches him bugs then he made a startling discovery when he pulled his pant leg from the sock and pulled off his right boot for A._K._47. Bullets fell on the ground in the heat of the battle. The Frenchman didn't realize allies that after he was shot in the back the four seven point six two millimeter envy rounds had fallen through his pants and his socks into his right boot he stood in utter amazement staring at the four rounds on the floor before picking them up and throwing them in the sand outside his room exhausted. Laterna walked over to the shower room the water stung the wounds in his back amazingly the four bullets had enough energy to penetrate his skin wounding him them but not enough to get under his skin too tired to treat the four bullet wounds in his back and shrapnel wounds in his arm but Turner finished his shower and went to bed so that that was mission number one but there's a saying that we came to realize later on everybody. Just look at you and say well. That's just another another day in Song my first mission. I had to run twelve more before it was done in when you got done with it. I mean we you we you talk to the other guys and they were telling you. Hey yeah that's that's how it is. Yes that's how it is so he couldn't go into into the bar go. This is what I did. He just said I got back. Well and don't forget the footnote on that could like about what four five days later the medics yeah top wounds from the shrapnel of course I had ignore everything because otherwise they all think I was you know just the Wilbur so I just Gat suck it up not saying and but all of a sudden I started getting these boils on me. They were used so I went to the medic and what's what's his name again. Maggio Lucia Manziel says well. He says you got shrapnel. Anybody that's all that's all swollen infecting. You says you're going to have that for quite a while to. We get every piece out. He says I don't know how many holes as you got but this one here needs attention right now and it's huge and it was my arm forearm actually and he looked at the other medic shipping and said hold him down and lifted me and and said don't you look what I'm doing. Don't you turn your head. He said because otherwise you're gonNA pass out on me. We see what I'm going to do. So don't you look we're holding hold them down and don't looker pass out what he was doing was taken a big stick swab in hydrogen peroxide and burning the whole right through the boil and then he took four sips and he pulled the strings out with shrapnel on the end. I'm from the beef forty rockets because they're all made in China. They're Chai calms you know and so they had a lot of string. That's how they wrap them. They didn't mold them in the metal like we did and so anyway I kept having to go and then another day I had to go back in my head and a couple of my head and then the had a couple of my back in another arm and I walked around with bandages until I went out on my next mission I tell you I witnessed one of those getting pulled out and it was gross. What were you doing just wanted to stay? He pulled several out. We kept hearing about these things. Let me show you thanks talk about Tia mind talking about pimple break. Hey where you're going to go back field anyways yeah. It was like a doesn't matter it will do. We'll do what we can right now exactly exactly field yeah exactly because we had another mission lined out for Christmas of sixty eight. So what was the OP temple light meeting. How often would you when you did? You did your thirteen missions. How long did that take what would timespan was that over with one year tour one year tour I had thirteen missions and one bright light and someday we'll talk about about the bright light? I guess we're not today if you know it's a it's a it's not written in the books because of what it ended up being but a bright light in song dog is a volunteer situation where team volunteer to go in and get another team out. That's can't can't get out and we had a lot of those or to try to find a team disappeared. We had a lot of teams disappear I- R._T.. Idaho Oh Lena Nolan's completely disappeared. They've never found to this day. No trace just completely off the BAP people have gone into this day and hunt the government hunts today and can't find him under good circumstances so these the guys that you took over for yes yeah and so when I got on the Idaho and transferred from Virginia to Idaho because tilt went home and I became Lynn Blacks one one one day he'd been gone for a while headquarters and I I always protected him because I'm the one I protected my one Zeros. I had to know where they're doing all the time because you never knew because we had we had Peng's with Cambodia's we had mountain yards had Vietnamese in our camp. They all fought amongst themselves. Let alone wondering if they're the enemy and we also had an entire entire team of N._B._A.. Chew Toys Chew as being gave up and that was team Cobra and they were there for a very special mission that they went on and to get U._S.. Prisoners out of a camp was located but we got a call Lin went up to the headquarters at a bit a little while so I went up there to see what was going on. He's walking back down and says. Can we go on a bright light. I said we're ready. Were packed because that's just what you did. Fewer asked you went. They said we got two pilots down and we and there we think they're alive. We gotta go in. They brought a jolly green giant in force which is very unusual air force. I don't know where they really took us at this point in time in my life I we still don't know they have all kinds records but it's very confusing of where we went but we came in and that jolly when we circled over the top of the plane it was all intact and it was just sitting there in elephant grass aw no one could figure out why so they brought us down and I jumped out but when I jumped out there was a slight lift in the plane in the Jolly Green <hes> <hes> and it just came back down on me about crush me and then it came back up and they lend jumped out mar guys jumped out and each and it was an old to push pull sesno engine in the front engine in the back. That's what have been shot down. Oh Yeah we think it was shot down. We don't or crashed however however we just don't know how it happened but what the real deal was is the plane whatever happened to it was making an emergency landing and it saw this opening like an l._l._c. and thought this would be good place at least start the landing even if it went into the jungle it would slow down probably was soon as they hit the ground. There was a bowl and they hit the front of the bowl with the front engine and stopped dead like a burn. It was a burger yeah and stopped at dead but at bent the engine around to the right and the man in the right seat was sucked up into the carburetors into the lycoming engine and <hes> he was in the Finns who's just had his head in his arm sticking out said when I got there on that side it said ten minutes after ten in the morning his Rolex watch was cracked. The vessel is cracked and it stopped the watch ten after ten and we didn't get there till about two thirty. Well go forget when the choppers going down. You're under fire yeah and it's we're. We're getting some some small arms. Fire Lynn goes to the pilot side on the on the left side and he looked fine but we realized that yoke had crushed his chest and killed him in place but it also had him trapped wrapped and we couldn't get either one out but at that point in time that was a trap they'd set the jolly green backed off and we started taking tremendous amount of of a fire. I looked across the inside of the cabinet. Lynn Lynn Look back at me and I said I love your brother or not getting out of this and he he said No. We're not this is it find the goddess awesome and I looked up radio. The jolly green come back in and he shook his head Qassim plane his day. Hey shook his head. I don't think I can come back. I I said you better because I got an m seventy nine point. I'll take you down with us. He moved up forward by that time. There was two hundred N._B._A.. Surrounding US given it everything they got. We managed crawl into that chopper because we got up on the wings and he scooped us up and I had already called intact here because they already had tech here ready and as we lifted off and got up about fifty feet in a bad flu right underneath US between the plane in the in the chopper and he looked up at me like this was smiling and he dropped the W._p._a.. Right on top and there was crispy critters running everywhere we got out of there and got back and we walked down landed his back apple before we walked down the road back to our coach and we just looked at each other's another day and saw and all the time there on the ground made their under fire going in they put a perimeter around on the aircraft well Lynn and Doug went in to try to establish what the status of the pilots war and <hes> that firefight was intense. Come remember when I got back Doug it just left and I came back to to now at the end of October sixty nine that right late was fresh on his mind we talked about it and I talked to help later about that Briley near going disres- crazy because HEP Saudi winning with four in ditch from Artie Idaho that team limbs like ma'am. I don't even know how we got out of here so as one of real another just really tight one but like Doug says in a way when you now retrospectively just another Dan sog but that would really stuck yeah I just thought that out of all my missions and if you read the book and we're tilt honors me with a few missions in his books between gene across the fence on the ground that when there was is tense as it got we thought it was over physically and mentally we gave up. We thought it was over that we just weren't going to get out of that mess and get into that chopper then be forty rockets. Were hitting that plate underneath that jolly green we we were going up in the air faster than the chopper could get us up in the air from the pounding. We were taken that had been for that spat. We might not have to this day okay. We can't find this bad pilot. We have reunions we go to this madden reunions but we still haven't been able to find that span pilot did that day 'cause what he's saying when John Means pulling out to be forty pounded underneath and your armor planning could sustain it AH would give the chopper Joel. Lynn Black Hat on October fitness with their is experiencing again one October year later saying thing exactly Yep. I'm surprised that they take those be forty strikes like that I I mean one lucky shot that hits the tail rotor or something else game over sure you know when we get back on missions we'd walk around our King Bees and count how many bullet holes and how many were in the blades we there's clean shots through the blades and then we we caught forty fifty eighty rounds and King B.'s when we come back and pieces of metal gone that they had put ten over they use beer cans yeah luna beer cans and what about the what that operation were you. We had to go and get the fifty five gallon drum of and pull that one over okay. We'll go through that somebody would probably like the read it in the book but we'll go through that. We were trained. We had a C._I._A.. Agent come in and train us for a brand new explosive detonator. That was a time device. There was shaped on the top in all the Bung of a fifty five gallon drum as curls put a wrench on it and unscrewed. You've seen them and this is by way. This is a seal type missing so you really appreciate this. This is absolutely yeah when I read about I was like that's the good seal mission yeah but oh well well. They didn't do that in those days. No busy on the coast yeah. They're busy on the coast. They really were we on this. I mean everything up to that isn't a jungle you get to the riverboat exactly but uh we actually went into secret. <hes> lockup couldn't talk to anybody nobody could come in and talk to us and we went through these exercises and training we actually <hes> loaded up for it and they took us out to the and took us to <hes> Kong tree and we launched out of there and went into Laos into this huge river that they had but we had to stay away away from it. We had actually hike in for two days to get to it and when we got there and down the hill and to the river it was night on the second end of the second day and then Gunther was my one zero now's as one one there was no one one two and he was ex-marine and he was an e six and he was my one zero he'd been around awhile and he says okay go in and get that drum and I says well. You're the marine here navy. Why should I go? You're the one you're you're the one on one European C. E. six so that's how it's going down and don't forget before you get there. They hiked through jungle for two days in two nights to meet the C._I._A.. <music> age forgot that who gave them the specialized charged he come from he had Chinese with him and he said I will meet you out there to give you this device because I can't trust anybody to have this device case. You're caught between Nell and then I said there's no way we're gonNA find you out. There is impossible. He says don't you worry about it. You get to this coordinate and I will. I will find you. That's impressive he did we got that coordinate we waited and we waited and next thing or no he come right out of the juggling every was we were going to kill him with Ause N._B._A.. Of course Chinese with so Zola Nocholas was his name it fair pronounce it right. I probably dot can't pronounce it right and common spelling it was he actually was a renegade C._I._A.. Agent he was a desk jockey that wanted to prove that he could be an infield agent as the story finally went. We didn't learn about this until what about twelve years ago yeah and we did you meet him later. No no no no no. No one knows where he went what happened to we met another C._I._A.. Guy We need that was actually a counterpart to a Russian K._G._B.. Agent that when they Russia Russia deep finally admitted declassified the Vietnam War and admitted they had three thousand Russians helping the the N._B._A.. And they had a reunion and they did an actual video of the reunion admitting that they had worked with the N._B._a. and the Chinese and helping the the N._B._A.. Go Up and down the whole team in trail well. This zoll innocous had had figured this out and got hold of this device and how we learn about it was this C._I._A.. Jr had gone there and help declassify declassify all the records of special ops stuff that was they were they had located and the whole here they found my name in the K._G._B.. Files in Moscow twice my codename name and my real name and the missions that Iran they did that twice and they've fan Lynn because we bumped into what we've I thought was a Mexican Spanish speaking person speaking broken English and I'm from California right. I go back to my old days and I told Lynn I said this. This guy's a Mexican gotta be what the Hell's how's he doing out there and he's talking to us on the radio. He's got our frequency and lenses Gimme that football so he goes back and forth with him and he says you gotta move out of the area. He says I'M NOT GONNA move out of the area. I'm here to stay. Here's my coordinates. He getting a five digit coordinate. Know what are you going to do. He says well nothing but you need to move out. He was trying to save our butts because he he was from Angola. He was a Cuban stationed in Angola and had been shipped Laos us and then turned around and he hated the Vietnamese so much he was trying to help us but we could see him on the other side of the river that where we were at on this particular mission and so that mission was in the K._G._B.. KGB files that we'd spoke to him and he had art and they knew it was R._T.. Idaho and that knew it was linen me and so they are they add is much because we had spies in Saigon giving all his information on how to spy that <hes> the finally caught in American it was giving all this information but for two missions. I'm in the K._G._B.. Files so on this oil germ mission we get down there after we've been given the device and night night and I go in and I grab hold of drum and of course they have those little lips on their like in poll that drum and their full about three quarters because it got to be buoyant and I bring that fuel drum right to the side and I'm holding there and Gunther unscrews it the bug off and puts the new one in screws it up tight now. I've got to get that drum backout into the flow. The flow is N._B._A.. Walking down with bamboo poles pushing them around so I get out there but I can't get back because here they come so I had to go under hold my breath south by can't hold my breath outlaw this waters ice cold right. Fortunately I was a great swimmer in my youth and I could I could handle this but I could get my nose just above the surface purpose blow out and take a breath and go back under but because as dark and they went on by me finally but I thought for sure they'd stick me with the with one of the Poles but they push that drama Oman down few drums that were around me and I came back to the edge and crawled out but I was so cold I can hardly move. I'm soaking wet of course and cut their system. We gotta go and I finally put my gear back on my rucksack in radio and my web gear and everything else back on up the hill we go but I'm still just barely making it just barely making I'm so stiff in we crawled out of there to two today's get out but that device was set for two days but it hadn't gone off yet but we finally got extraction orders in and they came and got us and strung us out and when we were on strings it went off mccovey right it was there and it was like an atom bomb was a miniature mushroom and the shockwave even though we were miles away came through us on strings and the choppers and just like this I and we're we're going like this back and forth and and the chopper and in the cubby plane is shaking like this and I mean it was like an atomic bomb just went through us what you picture when you see and and then then everything became calm and mission completed. That's a good one. That's a real good as our new never knew will they didn't know until the Russians new yet other that they never knew who and we weren't allowed to talk or tell anybody in camp when we got back they just what were you doing just another day in song and that was what we said because we weren't even allowed to tell anybody what we did because of the C._I._A.. A mission that we ran but we everybody had certain things that they did like that but it was the first time I've ever been accomplished. What did you notice about the one zero so that you had from a leadership perspective? Give that you remember like yeah this is this is the quality some of the qualities that they had from a leadership perspective that you would follow him. I was most fortunate I think I had great ones Zeros some not as great as others but <hes> when you my first one he was my idol because my first two missions and <hes> thanksgiving of of sixty eight and Christmas a sixty eight and I can't ever forget those you know and so fact the mission of sixty eight is where I got the skip from the blow up radio that let him know he was walking into an ad letting tilk know that he was walking into an ambush and I've lane on a trail with the radio on and heard this my interpreter comes up and interprets what's going on. I managed to get a hold of spider parks. He just had me going by for radio. Check and I told him what was going on. He radios to tilt to turn around and go back that had intel until Skilling. What yes I ever had like a direct Intel report do not go through the northeast the Christmas Day miss him on top of that knoll and Linda? I I talked about that was the one quite area probably does a problem but we're talking. That spider goes do not go through the northeast. We have an Intel report. Do not go there Intel report that never happened before or after a live mission we're on the ground and we didn't know what the hell was but they were right. We did you notice store we get extracted and we're back in base a few days later him above a connect and it's gone like what were you on the ground Christmas and we found that <hes> he had that Intel report that was confirmed the one place we could have gone. We shouldn't have our instincts right but we had to confirmation from the Intel report and it was just amazing. He I always say to this day. They got out of it and do other factors. They got out of it but just that it saved the team was walking into an L.. Shape ambushed been slaughtered and they were they were pushing them that way with trackers gunfire and everything else and so they just just like you say the gods were always with us sometimes but at that very next day I'm still on the trail where we were assigned. That was the trail for my very first mission we got into north Vietnam into it called Nickel Steel and I'm been laying there for four days through this process and there was children's was my one zero and we were taking turns and it had been defoliated with Agent Orange and so we had a pretty good view and all of a sudden I saw six pointman coming up M._B._A.. I'm up there at the trail behind log. They're down below. I give him the signal I give them the signal I got six and I can see him and chillers right away knows what's going on so he's preparing the team to fight and ex bill out of the situation but he can't with me up above but here comes on the N._B._A.. Comes right up to the log and steps over insteps right on me. I put my car fifteen into his belly up. pull the trigger. All twenty wells made a gaping hole away through him through him over the log and I'm on the run and I've got. The radio and down the hill we go and here comes two hundred N._B._A.. And their point Jason this and we're we're bringing. I'm I'm trying to get TAC air on the line at finally do we're. We're we're putting tack year between them us and I'm throwing smoke over my shoulder anything anything in the smart and finally they bring some slicks in police out and and and get us out of there on strings on strings again and on the run and so the side note to the whole mission is I don't know how many we killed but it was not a good day for them him with the but that Agent Orange was the only time I was ever near it and right now. I've got stage for cancer from Agent Orange with a limited amount of time left so that's why I'm glad I'm here to tell a few stories. Glad you're here to airborne the <hes>. So how many tours did you do is that one tour I signed up for. I volunteered volunteered to go and special forces when I I was regular army I volunteered regular army went through got special forces volunteer Vietnam volunteer for C._C._N.. And saw and and I did one tour and I went back home and <hes> became a weapons instructor for Special Forces Training Group and and got how many years with the total three three years three years that was it and then would you do when you when you got out I kinda went back to Rodeo and training horses and things like that and then I sorta got com. They got a pilot's license fixed-wing rotary where you got home. How how long did it take to kind of adapt to civilian life eight took about a year that because I slept with my car fifteen and then when I was in training group I always had all the weapons around me? I felt safe but it does you know fourth of July was always a hard one with stuff going on you don't know and it it took me a while to to to calm down and not because I had a lot of kills and he just have to work through all that all the time and I was pretty good because not after that period of time you know we never talk to each other. We weren't allowed to talk about it for twenty years is what I was told so. I never ever talked to anybody. I never met anybody until two thousand. Did you guys I mean when you when you guys didn't keep in touch. Watch guys didn't write each other or fill each other than I wrote each other but he his family moved. I only had his mother and fathers address and I lost contact for twenty five years. I moved he moved my parents moved and <hes> so the Kamo dropped but we were down. There is no books no yeah no money could say anything about other team members other guys. was there anyone that you kept in touch with over the next twenty years now. So when you were done you were done I was done your didn't do. It was over yeah because I couldn't find anybody. I didn't know anybody to talk to so just done and just let in my life. Just I never thought about it anymore and I knew I did stuff but I couldn't talk talk about it and I'd gotten married and I told my wife about it but <hes>. We just thought that we didn't know where anybody way. I didn't know anybody went to and then all of a sudden. The Internet came about I I typed in S._F.. One time a couple of emails came up old ones. I typed in mcklusky got. He was working as a Medevac pilot and he he called me and you see what he was on shift and he saw it and he called me. He gave me tilts phone number. I called tilt the next day was Easter. Sunday was half two thousand. We're going to get ready to go to church I have I hadn't seen him. Since one thousand nine. Hundred Sixty eight are sixty sixty nine and wherever you live at the time I lived up by Yosemite National Park in account called Mariposa beautiful and you're just down in oceanside yeah working at the paper to fish rapper so off. I said well shoot you know <hes> I got the phone number and I called him on Easter Sunday. He was going out the door to go to church and I said you'd better sit down. This is the Frenchman Yeah I did then we've been we talk every day though because we can what did you would you do for a job so you you had to Kinda continue to get it out of your system or breaking horses or whatever Rodeo for another year bones breaking more both and then you went into construction business in the construction business that my father had gone into private construction for a particular person and <hes> so it left the license open so I just continued the license and he handed it over to me and I built for almost forty five years. I'm retired now. What where did you guys overlap overlap? What was it did you guys overlap in R._T.? Idaho is that when you guys overlapped while we are at Fhu by when he came in he healed bubba okay and so McGovern got him I before I wrote talked to him and I got Bubba so we're in camp APP. Were training together on the firing range. Then bubbling are doing our targets. They're doing there's and <hes> then when we moved he was he closed out if will be won his last S._f.. Troupe there his RECON team close it locked OCTA gate by that time Lindmeyer down in Danang already so we're running ambitious he went down with with the R._T.. Virginia with gone through wall and so they went down random mission including the famous oil-drum one <hes> and Lynn our doing our thing and then by April my time in country was getting close so Lynn had agreed to be the come to one zero. We had a special missing. We're supposed to go to ukiah pass. We brought <unk> dug in AMAC's foreign berry an officer to go with us on that Mississippi trained for admission train right up to it went to launch site on the choppers took off and they called us back because two aircraft shot down over Detroit area that day and so I was about four or five days from D. Rosie we we went back to camp to up the Marble Mountain so we're up there has pitchers from that time there and then <hes> I walked off tomorrow mountain backup mcgeer and went home so doug stay with Idaho guarded so from April at the end of April all the way through October sixty nine. He's with Idaho Lynn and they ran a load of missions citizens and right come back. He just left base. God it but Lynn's there the southern limited to one zero so he and I took turns and found sergeant major goes too much experience here black. You're Outta here. <hes> and I went back to being one zero for another five months and at that time he had come home but he's in training group <hes> so technically he got out of the army after I did I got out April. You got out in June July September first ever I and and so <hes> I want my back to the garden state and the human back to California and separate ways we did we had the cards and some notes don't think may phone calls no and just let us back. If we had a couple of guys I had other people I stayed contact with and I just figured he got a job with the C._I._A.. Or something somewhere else you know and then finally got the phone call on two thousand and the rest is history. How often do you guys link up now? Every day. Hi It's on the phone thing it's like you Echo Charles and when we talk almost every day and <hes> because we can we're alive and we try now to spread the story since we've been declassified like you're helping tremendously to spread this story to let people know that we actually there was a secret war going on and we were actually taking the war to the enemy because has our country had signed a treaty saying that we would not go into North Vietnam Laos Cambodia or the D._M._z.. They which we operated in every day right we weren't stationed here. We just flew him by helicopters. The people always ask me well. How long did you fight and South Vietnam? I said I never fought a day in South Vietnam. They all unit and do anything no. That's true yes right. It's what was your reaction. As stuff started to Kinda come to the surface and people started talking about it. It was a slow. It's been a slow process. <hes> I've got to hold a tilt and then we saw each other for the very first time after all those years was like he was standing on the corner. When I drove by fifty muck yeah yeah we went to an air show and <hes> we started talking? We had our photo albums that we weren't supposed to have because no pictures were supposed to be taken and look at all the pictures that are out good recon. Men always do whatever they want right so but it's been the slowest as well. We have a reunion. Now I really we haven't in Vegas Agassi every October now and it's been going on what forty five years forty three or four hundred forty four years worth I I've been there about eighteen years now special operations association yeah and so we go there ear and see each other and sit around drinking 'cause I don't drink but you know we everybody drinks and it's a free bar and and <hes> tell old war stories each other countries couple is in that stories get more exaggerated raided but we we have we have the problem is we're dying faster than than you can. Were we were losing about ten or twelve tops six seven in the very beginning now we're losing over fifty a year ear. There weren't that many of us to start with but this is a combined all the support troops actual recon troops. There's probably not but forty five or fifty there at all because we only had one four hundred fifty re connors present talk to you know and so <hes> we have this great reunion every year. I just never miss it because I don't know who's going to die. It's like <hes> yesterday was our interpreter helps. Perhaps a two year anniversary of his death and most everybody's going down with age orange of some kind of cancer and stuff <hes> elden barge. Well just went down from an accident. He was our two star Dr General very proud of him but at the time he was Jaakko had Germany wasn't why didn't I my boss work directly owners command but my my boss at the time just you know just absolutely loved them and and you don't try to tell me tried to give me quotes when he'd come back from a meeting with bars well. He said old man said this. No Man said that you know he he was just at my house not too long before that in my train room I I've got trains Lyonel N._l.. And <hes> he was there had a great. They're roommates for a few months okay together. I met his first son <hes> when he was two months old or yeah I could you know remember stories. Elvin getting shot in the chest so two days later elden and Doug went to Hawaii with their respective wives for are there for five days in elder met his son for the first time her his eldest son Brandt Yeah Yeah Brett grant was here so you must have watched him because he was you know a a general in the argument he was in the limelight for sure for military guy and you guys knew the whole time. You're looking at him thinking. He was call specialists vessels fourth class. That's the way we knew I could never call in general I could never call him bar dry on Imelda spent for Elvin and he was the same Eldon that we met in sixty eight is same alderwood it went to beam with last year <hes> he was there responded glory and <hes> Bell. That's the way we respected me like my son got a wounded in Iraq he went and saw this care for at the hospital spill picked up for him right away. They couldn't believe a two star general little yeah some those best. He's a scout and he got banged up with a Humvee really bad but the ultimate was that <hes> August twentieth two thousand five live a couple of weeks later. You're in country then now is i. I didn't wasn't there oh three or four and six. Where do you know where it wasn't Iraq yeah? He was south east of the Green Zone. Okay yeah small small world. What's he doing now? He's up doing heavy equipment training happen the Long Beach Him and Bruno his faithful companion or they're doing it and just kicking ass. Take a number so pretty soon how volatile licenses in place and if you need any <hes> heavy equipment work give them a call right on freshman will build a house for a in what about so you got. You got married when you got done. Is that along the way along the way yeah. Did you have any kids. I have a son and I have a daughter got. A grandson in two granddaughters very proud of them. I'm really proud of my son is zone company in the oil business doing really well. He repairs all the big fracking machines Jonker yeah for I'm right now. I'm in Texas. I wasn't Tennessee when I'm in Texas now now that I found out what my medical health is I want to try to get my grandson to know me before for I go. That's awesome. He's going to be as pry. You can be as proud of you as you are of him. That's for damn sure well. They made an action figuratively so I've left that action figure for him and that's the famous picture picture. Yes the famous SOG <hes> the Frenchman. Yes I've seen it. There's a good review of it on on Youtube by watts yeah you can go to youtube and look up Frenchman action figure and it's done really well by Ryan Peter's yeah. He did a really excellent job even made the box and everything for you know. It's pretty awesome while definitely I'll definitely post the data that picture win when when this goes up when this goes out onto the under the interwebs as they say and you've got your Frenchman Challenge coin. I got my Frenchman Challenge Corn Right here. The lowest ranking challenge coin out makes the generals. It doesn't get much better than that for sure you got anything else. I think it's a good place and if you listen to this and you think of more things you wanna say but you know I think this is a good good spot to wrap up this one so if you got anything until you got anything else I know these stories <hes> you know it's funny because even we're in base. We never knew a lot of the details and so when I put the books together talk to other people like the oil drums story we weren't about forty years later that Lynn Black on the similar thing with Artie Idaho after I left between these guys and and it's just like <hes> lot histories that comes out slowly like doug a set was anyone tracking. was anyone writing down the history as I was happening. was anyone taken the operational summaries reason compiling them somewhere. They're all destroyed that was when I let fu by one of my jobs was to go through and make sure that all the germs had been note the ashes that they'd burnt all the auto reports after action reports were all burnt and then as we pulled out of every F. O. B. and closed down C._C._N.. And C._C._S. and C._C._C.. We closed everything was destroyed. There's very few after action reports <hes> with their ours just miniscule reports people try to put them out on Ebay but they're fake. There just isn't any door out there. We haven't their reports of archives that were even now begin to look into but at recently union a guy came up to me and said hey you know if you've done your books. I guy like to talk to you because my job when we closed Khantun was to destroy all the records Yeah Yeah Valor Yeah we that's why I didn't even receive my purple heart for that first mission until eleven eleven eleven really had to go back to the paperwork on and we had two years and a lot of people and and a lot of affidavits and a lot of this and a lot of that and it took six years and until Diane Black Congresswoman <hes> called me one day I was coming back from Arlington from burying Gunther Wall and and my Virginia Team Donnie Shoe and and Bill Brown William Brown and and <hes> she calls me on the phone even know who she is she says are you doug maternal the Frenchman I said <hes> yes and she says I'm Diane. Black Congressman men for Tennessee for your district your district and I'm in my limousine right now and I'm holding a Purple Heart in my hand. How do you want it presented? I said I want you dependent on for number memorial off in Gallatin Tennessee and she did on eleven eleven eleven and my guys came and watched I had seven of my Sauger's come to that and watch tilt mm came in we were there witness and even we've found one dometic had pulled that the destroying from the shrapnel as an eyewitness. That's that was a key thing we got the C._E._o.. To do a letter letter but took awhile to track down put it together but we do because all the records have been destroyed so well. This record won't be destroyed right here that podcast one eight six one eight six there you go but I would like to say as a closing thing. My Mom and dad are both gone. My Dad was a hero. He gave me everything he had to give. He was the best father ever. My mother was the best mother I'm proud of my kids my daughter my son what they've accomplished in their lives. I'm proud of by grandkids and what they do and I'm glad I have something to leave behind and his mom was when she learned earned my mother died. I got a phone call next day till your mom's deb your mom. My mom loved every one of Bubba came to away and said I need a bunk up for a couple of days six and a half months later and he gone through the L._A._p._d.. Six and a half months later he even got got married brought his wife into the house. My Mom and dad finally announced enough for your wedding president. We're giving you an apartment but any Sauger it was welcome to my mom and dad's house Oh yeah well <hes> that is awesome and as you both should know any solder is welcome to come here at anytime and share their story this this door to this podcast podcast is open. <hes> discount just become the SOG podcasts as far as I'm concerned at this point so we're going. We thank you should come back yeah. You've opened up a lot of doors the people that will hear this history absolutely and and they they I'm sure there I'm sure you're hearing from until I bet you've been transferred some of the messages to me. What's your what's the twitter that you're actually looking at right now? Because you have a couple have gone on sog you have SOG chronicles which one it is <hes> my daughter SEF. There's one is Jay striker Meyer initial Jane the strike of having a fallen out the twitter thing. You've got me. Zo instagram is the grants instagram what you're doing illegal social over here trying to catch up to you might be slow when I'm slow been so busy last few weeks <hes> between work and yes responding to Lada feedback from folks <hes> off the last podcast people want to reach out to you. Should they go through through John Frenchman Yeah they can go. They go great out through his John or <hes> they could catch me on train one fifty three the word our train one the numbers five three at Hotmail DOT com. That's my email says email and then my website is saw chronicles dot com and my emails here and I'll connect anybody doug as the old fashioned way instagram's where we're still working on there but my doors gotta give me an she went to Tennessee so she's out of ten. I'm struggling but maybe a briefing we hang up here for that but all good it's. It's such an honor to talk to you guys Frenchman. It's an honor to meet you and you're welcome back anytime glad that I could come and meet you and I told you what happened on the airplane. I'm sitting next to somebody goes. What are you doing on go to go on a the podcast with a guy named Jaakko jock? Oh my God I got him on my to eat whips out his phone there you are. I got twitter with him. I got everything with my buddy. I mean why would I even expect it. Somebody would have it's such a small world. It really is when regardless our service will apart at one percent or less of our country that served country yeah and combat and I'll tell you the amount amount of feedback I've gotten from when you came on till I mean it's been overwhelming the number of people that just you know thank you for your servers. They're gonNA pass the same thing onto you eight. Oh <hes> you guys should know that America loves you guys for what you did for this country. Oh thank you thank you very much you to airborne airball all the way elway and with that SOG has left the building the Frenchman untilt have departed awesome. What an honor to have those guys on and I gotta say this right after we got done of course we're we did some more talking and the Frenchman was was explaining the fact that when he would go out on a mission every mission he would go out on he would square away his footlocker? Make sure everything everything was ready to be shipped home. Because every time you went out he figured he would not become in back so real heroes and it's awesome to be able to sit here and talk to those guys and what a what an honor that is and anyways <hes> you actually one of the reasons that I can sit here and talk to guys like tilt and the Frenchman is because of all the support that comes in from all of you so appreciate you know that because as you know I don't have any like regular whatever they're called advertisements on here because I'm not gonNA interrupt someone like tilt or someone like the Frenchman or someone like B._T._f.. Tony or someone like Dakota Meyer. I'm not gonNA interrupt them so I can say you know hey by this or by that or whatever I'm not GonNa Stop Reading Colder Than Hell or I'm not gonNA stop reading the forgotten highlander not gonNA stop reading one soldiers war so that I can you know mention a product or something like that so to me. That's not what this podcast is about the information and yet the information in this podcast is what is it paramount to me then getting it to all of you. Uninterrupted is what matters because I will tell you that. I wish that that I could have listened to this podcast when I was growing up even when I was a kid when I was in the teams just to just to have this information would have been really helpful to me so I'm I am not keeping it from anyone so that's what we're doing here too. If you do want to help out which like I said that's that's what allows us to be able to do this. That's what allows me to L.. A. Fly the Frenchman out here to sit down and and and talk until his story and so it's because of you all out there supporting supporting my companies or my books or whatever so it's appreciated so if you WanNa if you do want to help out you want to support the podcast then you can check on origin main dot com where we have geeze for Jujitsu we have rash guards we have clothing of all whatever sorts including jeans and we got supplements up there. People used to ask me what supplements I take. I take the supplements that I make so joy warfare Krill oil discipline discipline go and I drink mlk doc because it's awesome and delicious and of course Jaakko white T C can get some of that. That's all that origin main dot com. We also have Jaakko store dot com where you can get rash guards. t-shirts hats cooties all that stuff if you like the podcast subscribe to it and don't forget that I also have kids podcast called the warrior kid podcast so your kids can get in the game too. That's called the warrior kid podcast check out warrior kids soap from young aiden who's making soap on his farm up in central California. That's an Irish oaks ranch branch DOT COM. There's a youtube channel. That's called Jaakko podcast and that's where we have the videos of this. If you WANNA see what the Frenchman looks like or you want to see what tilt looks like you can check out the youtube channel. There's also little shortened. Excerpts of this podcast got a album called psychological warfare. That's on itunes. Google play other M._p.. Three platforms it's me talking about how to overcome little interruptions in your game that you're trying to win so you can check that out. We also have flipside CANVAS DOT com. My Brother Dakota Mayer has that company and he's making the visual artwork for your walls that you can hang up. 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We got the muster events these are leadership conferences musters gatherings where we deep dive and get granular on the pragmatic tools we have for leading people the the next one. We're doing is in September September nineteenth and twentieth it is in Denver. It is going to sell out in fact it's getting close. I think right now yeah they've all sold out that one will sell out as well and in December fourth and fifth in Sydney Australia who knows when we're going back to Sydney but we're going this time so if you want to come to the monster checkout extreme ownership dot com and then the F. Overwatch if overwatch dot com what we're doing there is taking proven SPEC shops leaders proven combat aviation leaders and placing them into companies in the civilian sector that need leadership so if you need leadership in your organization go to F- Overwatch Dot Com and if you WanNa give me some feedback on this podcast or you have a question where you have an answer a whatever for me on twitter instagram and facebook at Jaakko willink and then once once again just the deepest thanks I can give to to John striker Meyer tilt and doug maternal the Frenchman for doing everything that they did to fight against the dark tyranny of communism as it tried to spread through the world they they held the line and it's incredible credible the operations that they did and it's incredible the sacrifices that those operators made in that time especially an obviously the ones that did not come home into the rest of you that have served or you are serving. Thank you for keeping US safe from today's threats which are vast an equally evil it is you that keeps us secure and keeps our way of life secure into our police law enforcement to the firefighters riders out there to the paramedics. E._M._T.'s dispatchers correctional officers border patrol secret service and all other first responders. You are on call every day. You are waiting when we need help. You are there so thank you for keeping us safe and to everyone else out there. Remember what the Frenchman member the Frenchman said after his Colonel God done explaining the treacherous situation that they were set to go into when that colonel asked if anyone had any questions the Frenchman replied. Where do you need help? Where do you need help the simple question justin but it's a powerful one? There's people around you that need help. Ask him what it is. They need ask them where it is that they.

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Merril Hoge

Huddle Up with Gus

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Merril Hoge

"Welcome to our podcast. Hello with gusts where we talked about. How sports helped shape their life? I'm your host former. NFL quarterback gus fraud. And I'm joined by longtime friend and Co host. Dave Hager bigger. We are a radio DOT com original podcast and you can find us on the new radio DOT COM APP or anywhere. You listen to your favorite podcast. Now let's get in the huddle. Hello everyone welcome to another episode of Huddle up with Gusts. I'm joined by my co host and longtime friend. Dave Hager so dave where Arbia Day. We're at truce acquired me. I was just finishing up their trace. Rios on East Carson Street. It is I'll tell you right now. I'll just get it out of the way I grew up. Sixty miles from the Mexican border Tucson Arizona. This is as good of Mexican food as I've ever had in my life and I've I've I've been about forty restaurants there probably. You're not surprised when visual fresh homemade you can taste it. It's everything's made eight marriages had a Taco Lee about. Just when you look at it looks different. I mean that means it looks fresh. We're GONNA get this thing right CACAK Carson street new renovation going on and Carson Street and Trae Surya's leading the way with their amazing food well especially exciting is. They're having their third birthday a party this weekend. So yeah there's some set successor to they have to come back this weekend. So Dave in the huddle with us today as ELA none other than Merrill Hodge so Merrill thank you for joining us in the hull my pleasure. We're extremely excited to hear your story. Worry about how sports fix your life so one of the questions that I always asked to start with is what was that first. Memory you have of when you young was it. A family member was watching it on TV. That really made you fall in love with with with whatever game you love at that time and we'll probably. It's no different than a lot of kids. That played a lot of sports. I I love the I could go from football baseball basketball wrestling. I even Rodeo cowboy actually for a while will do bareback and I did Calf roping in fact I quit quit slash got kicked off the salt my in my sophomore year in high school and I went into Rodeo on and went into cowboy in One of the first jobs ever had which I can promise you this as long as you do a podcast I promise you. There's nobody that ever had. This job is one of the first jobs I ever had. I mean I deliver vapors that was one of my first jobs kid. When I was around ten years old we got the we got a job to trap gophers so in the West West? Irrigation is important where you flood arrogate. It's not like the east where it rains all the time. All right I mean the West. When summer hits no nobody it gets any rain? That's why snow important that irrigate like that so they fled here a gate that will line Tan lines pivot lines so the area that they flooded irrigate formers ranchers. If you can imagine if you're going to fly to your gate twenty acre she wanted to be a the water to be access move across the ten acres wolf. You have a bunch of gopher holes. The water goes down on the gopher so they hate gophers cattle will step in or step in a hole and they bust their legs so the gophers so my brother and I actually were hired to really trap gophers in eight hundred Acre radius. So here's what we do. We saddle our horses. We take thirty traps because it takes two traps for gopher pro so you really only gonNA attack for fifteen gopher holes morning and fifteen at night you know when you get to go for if you cut the tail off. Put it in a little glass container like this. And then at the end of the weekend we drive down to the local market store your hand Demar or job tells gives a dollar tell so it was. It was one of the top I ever had. And we we ride horses all over up in the mountains down in go back in the day how everybody get a hold of you my uncle well. Let's see well. I would stay with my uncle so he would call my parents to say. Listen I'm going to pick them up after work. which would be about midnight which you know when you're ten years old like Oma gas waiting up for that was terrible but by the time we made the right out there to half our way and then we had all of Saturday and Sunday the trap gophers whose love now? There's more labor intensive than Bill Murray style to dynamite. Well listen the dynamite came out later. If Bill Murray show as much later in the day but had we had seen earlier. We might try something like sometimes. The question really was a walked into my grandparents house at age. Eight and I never saw a football on television and and I had been asked many times as a kid to that point. Where do you WanNa be when you grow up? Would you like to do and I don't expect people to know what they're doing today. But I remember thinking. I really have no idea what I wanna do but when I see on TV. I remember as a Green Bay packers. I don't know who they were playing but I was. It just captivated I was like I had no idea. These cats are doing what I've been doing in the backyard on TV house. Like here's here's what was great about. I knew what I was GONNA do. I'M GONNA. I'm GonNa do that when I grow up. I'm going to play in the national football league so I couldn't wait for somebody to ask me what I was doing because I was going to hammer them with your plan. National Football League and as soon as I did that I remember being asked. I'm like Oh play the national football league. Oh son you know how hard that is duty odds if you plan in the NFL our own. Put y'all all your eggs in one basket. I want you be disappointed when bay or it was impossible. I back and it was probably that experience while I see things through a child's eyes more than most adults because the people who were supposed to encourage me. We're the first ones to discourage him. And I've never forgot that as Kissel. You know when you ask a kid. What their dream is they'd like to do like you're the adult in the conversation right? Yes I mean was planning national football league. I mean point two percent of high school senior high school ever planned the NFL. That is a small margin. You get all that however somebody's doing it and yes the odds are tough but it's possible. So why discourage kid verses this is encouraging which also led me to understand how resilient kids are as follows. I'm so passionate about kids and making things better and safer for them You know creating platforms opportunities so they can grow and develop and hopefully live. Their dreams will also the odds of being in the small town in Idaho in the NFL that that that becomes even even listen. Our took one plane ride in all my colleague an all. My Football Korea like I when my hometown and went from elementary school or kindergarten through college neighbors same town holy through and yet played in the Big Sky which is a one AA school even though our football at that time I mean in the Big Sky. Here's the here's the coaches that exists in the Big Sky Jim Cutter which is dirk cutters. Dad Dad so there John Fox Brian Billick Andy. ricotta blended do that area to you had His name escapes me up at Coast University. Ericsson us at we had a whole host of John Fox I mentioned John Fox. Marvin Lewis was more blues my linebacker coach when I got the Idaho State. Wow Dirk cutter was my high school coach coach before I went idle. Stay two coaches in the national football league. That bolt cutters from Pulp Ajello Idaho. I'm from Idaho and but current we we all went to highland high school. I went to high school and take some hill. The New Orleans saints busy from he's from my high school so if you people have come from that area but in your point I mean the odds of that happening but Jake Plumber Jewelry Jake. Plumber is from Boise. So He's other say he's stay. We hate okay okay. I love them now back then you hate it by best man in my wedding. My wife's out there John Freeze from ISO John Frees up played against John Free so he he was up a Moscow. So in Idaho panhandle frees up here. They plumbers over here. Although in high school he goes there's almost taking place and then idle states over in the southeast corner. A lot of great people have come out Idaho so coach Lenihan. Scotland ahead was one of my coaches. They played against quarterback at a university right and then Stink we know. They're putting more slayer Blair linemen when I when he was university. Idaho not oftentimes right. So it's not the power I always tell people like Alabama floor. They were scared to come to Idaho. STATE WE WANNA combine. Nobody wants to come up and we want to come to the dome. And now being a Idaho State gushy digging. Well that's a great okay great. It's a great thing about this is that you can just edit it all out so One of the things that when you get into high school You know you've been playing all your sports right and you said what would your junior. You didn't play when my sophomore year. You're kicked off slash. quit wishful agreement. Coaching I got fraud all sports I went to I went into cowboy cowboy. Is that we cowboy Rodeo. You commit to royal tell you when young committed cowboy ever gone yet well not a legitimate bowl. Now listen you got perspective here can when your it fourteen fifteen year get put okay. We'll just we'll just use the term speier. Steer is not a bowl a steer. Is that potential bowl that had that ended when they castrate that ended so much that is to be able and most almost all all potential bulls are. That's done to him and it's really for the meat factor the tender. You don't have a lot of a lot but you don't need a lot of ball. Same Larry so you could ride steers like that. We would ride to kind of build up to that but I never got to where I was riding Bulls Arrow bareback which is a horse And that actually. Those are legitimate heading National Rodeo level caliber of of an animal animal likability bowl in the bareback that exists at that but all the things exist in a in a local Rodeo. Get back into and torched. Well I was. I was really working working on calf rope. And that's what I was trying to be good at and one day amount working on it I ca I wrote the calf and I go to throwing and I can't throw and I'm like am I the frustration of it all. I really hit me right then. I was like you know like you can really careful right now. I mean my brother has forever in the life in window in life journey. You have all these windows that you you pass. But there's no reverse like you can't back up and relive your sophomore year in high school senior year and I'm like thank goodness. I was smart enough to go. You know I'll never be able to play football again once these next few years old. You're going that's over and and and my heart really had that's what I want to do. I just turned into a bad situation with the head coach and I was a kid. I didn't I didn't handle it right and I didn't have have a good support system around me for people like my dad was not. He was not involved in me in in my he was not involved in my life in the sense of like a teacher and a mentor. You know he was in nicktator and he provided for the family. And that's in which is listen. I I have great respect that but he wasn't there to help guide me and give me and helped me through those times bad choice. If he did he see sports is not just like another job. Like you said activity in school. They don't say he didn't see actually he didn't see it anyway. Here's what's Great. He was a great athlete is the he played he has scholarship play football stay wrestling champ. she likes to. I got into a lot of a lot of made me love a lot of footballs. He was official official. So we would be ballboys and that was like foolish to go to high school. Game in college. Ranks be ballboy so I love that but he was not Remember my dad talking about football or any sport ever you know About what he thought about it when I made mistakes never said you know when I could the team that you didn't even Monas- not movies like why did you quit and I'm like well. We just had a fallen out. Same thing about it you know. He didn't talk to me about about it. Yeah I just got lucky. I woke up to realize. I don't WanNA regret my next two years well. It's lucky that you did that. Thought about that on your own a lot of times. Most this will have a coach or mentor. Like that other than parents that will push ups broke my neck in ninth grade. Playing football wasn't really gonNA play again and then my wife's father who coached me in highschool hairy while recently just passed away last week. He pushed me banana way. Like you gotta get back out here saying they just come around the team it just be around it because you don't have to play around and eventually I got back into right where you know. My Dad was an iron. Goes on millward you. You know those back out to you. Know it was a lot different than Harry. Just kinda brought me back into where fell back mobile football because the ninth grade and you great great connect you pretty darned scared. Sure no of going back out there but eventually I did and things went on from there so you know we all have different mentors enter so besides yourself as somebody else you had in your life but kind of help you get back into that kind of well you know. Actually there was one guy who has been instrumental in my life ironically indirectly and then eventually directly and it was really Walter Payton. I admired Walter to pay from afar and How he how he played being how he trained I? I found him to be Fascinating because I was running back to so that made me you know like him and want to watch him but his style how played and then how he trained in a the unique way and I think you always gotta remember the access to find out how he trained thinks he did back in the late seventies early eighties are not what they today. No were you have Massey's you know information ways to get that always a wooden block under your hills and run the pills right. The Dirt Hill is what I'd heard about not heard about that so And he did it. You know an off season he trained in the U Unique Way and that was it's like wow that was and I tried it so I try to run the stairs electric to create my own Walter Payton kill and I want to know more things about him I actually went to the library one time. Tilts to search on information of Walter Payton and this lady was trying to help me and I really couldn't find out much about in the library that I didn't already know years passed on and he was gonna put I heard this Tape of him. He's going to put out called winning in life and it was a variety of things that was going to be on the state. It was going to be his charity. Work she's family life that he did and how he trained and I was like. Wow we care about how he trains right. I'm kidding I don't care about family. I don't care about Cherry. I WanNa know what he do. That can help me which I've always courage people Circumstances happen to us all rather their self-inflicted or by happenstance regardless of how how the circumstance came in our way cates our job chains that circumstance corrected. Make it different. You know. You don't want to make excuses point fingers and cast blame. That is a poison recipe for disaster. It's quitters mentality and I always from very early. Acts in my first book is titled Was Find a way because those words inspired me right to take action so anyway I get this tape by Walter Payton. I'm fast forward through. All the stuff is boring me to death I get to a an interview process. Go interview burst questions. She asks him what makes thank you better than everybody else. I'm like Oh wait. Oh I'm like that's exactly. Why bodies now you you guys know Walter Payton and I don't know people that will hear? Listen to your podcast. They may have heard him but they may not know and I don't assume everybody does know about him and you might and not even know this about him. This always said about Walter Payton. He wasn't the biggest he wasn't the strongest wasn't even the fastest. He was just the best. Now I'm going to tell you this at age fifteen. That's confusing. How the world can somebody? WHO's the best in the national football league all time League Russia? You're not the biggest in the strongest or fastest. It didn't make sense to me as a kid because yeah I think most kids when you're growing you're like all the biggest draws facet are always great but so this is a great life lesson for me. It still is one of the most profound things I've ever heard of human being I live by it It became me. I adopted this immediately from hearing it but he paused for a second and looked at it and he's like a wanted more than they do every every day of the week. Now when I heard that I was like why can do that. He goes when I when I trained in the offseason and nobody's with me on that dirt hill at six o'clock in the morning he goes. I want more than they do Monday. Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday and Saturday. He said and we're getting ready to plough Sunday Monday. Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday. I want it more than they do. You said Sunday one o'clock or you better believe I wanted more than they do. Well here's what what I did from that moment as a kid I was like I'm going to do that everyday practice everyday. I train and every day I play I'm GonNa do I'm GonNa. I'm GonNa want it more than anybody. Anybody else high prepare. How how ready than how I play? Now as life has moved on from that experience at around fifteen team to today which is some thirty years later. It is still a mentality I had I have. It's what I developed that moment in that second. But here's the key to the whole thing. When he said it that most people can say? Hey do you want you want this 'cause because you like to play in the National Football League would you like to ABC. Everybody will say eva yesterday but then when you say you gotTa do this every day. Sr The people start falling. That's where like I didn't know is every day and if you looked Walter Payton skillset que. Did he have a unique skill set and was gift to guess but he got the most out of his skill set at a high level. Now one thing that I learned because my career ended I was like man. I really kind of failed. I never became close to Walter. Payton is a standard now for moment. I'm like anybody who use Walter Payton. A standard probably has disappointed because that's the wrong guy to compete. But here's what I at the end of the day that she taught me that I have no regrets in and and I think anybody in life If you listen to what I'm telling you you'll have the same piece I have. I got the most out of my talents because of how are trained how I played And that I have peace with like I got the most out of my house and took me as far as I could possibly go. I don't don't look back and go. Actually there's one regret and this is back when we didn't know better. I could arrest in more. I worked myself so hard. Sometimes I really was. You know I beat myself down versus have myself primed and ready but that have it has been true still today. I use it all the time. And it's it's being separate me in many times especially in the NFL because many guys got cut and you go packing a bigger stronger faster but we think consistency you think of smarter and every day when they wouldn't they evaluate chip. There's too mini inconsistencies. If if you think about human performance really we think in very basic terms like run fast jump Pie strongly or Europe but there's more human performance than just that right mobile if you don't have every ingredient to bake a cake and kicks not gonNA turn out right right so so part of that human performance is what's in here and we say all time in football right. That guy had a lot of this inside its chest. Not because he can faster throw. Yeah that helps but if you don't have that in there to do one at more than anyone else then your human performance is going to be high hurdle though about it and so so That's where I look at human performance and see all those guys that there were a lot of guys can throw the ball harder than me. You know make throws better than me but could they do it all the time working harder to me. Those are the things that keep you around in your business in your job and whatever you do for a long long time what I tell me about it. Actually the applies to every this doctor sports. I mean there's every any craft that you're in if you can live by that motto do Chuck Knoll Taught Me the the uncommon approach which which is really why he widened my scope and looking at my craft. And there was more that I could be doing that I was doing and I may data part of my makeup from that a moment on to like how what can I do more on every play versus just my job right and I can give you boring story on boring story. That would never make sportscenter center. But as you know when you're sitting there on Monday and you're watching tape and you're like holy cow Merle. You want extra my thanks for your help there. What you'll get the fumble because right now if you don't get fumble you know? How often do you hear that you're not standing over there? You're you're getting their shelf of just dozens and dozens of experience like that that were like your teammates and your coaches value right. Exactly so here. We WanNa take a little short break. Come back and and talk a little more than Merrill Valet delays. Stay and play in your next getaway Los Angeles the Western bonaventure. Hotels Suites offers effortless access to all the city of angels has to offer whether you're hoping to catch a concert or sporting event are hotels just moments from all the action and accessible the Hollywood beaches museums and theme parks. The package includes guestroom and Valet. Parking reservations use Promo Code. PSF In the code box when making your online reservation or call one two one three three sixty four one thousand and Ashworth Promo Code All right now back in the huddle with Merril Hodge. You know our our show. One of our sponsors sponsors is the western Bonaventure hotel out in. La Beautiful La so if you get a chance to western bonaventure we're here at beautiful traits reels Donald Carson the street Dave. You've eaten food. What do you think it's outstanding like? I said earlier. I'm used to really good Mexican food. Grabbing growing up in southern Arizona. Arizona is as good as anything I've ever had. It's tremendous service handcrafted drinks. Everything's homemade Margaritas. Merrill you had a marguerite artery what do you think we ought to listen to the talk. She walked in. I saw the food I was like. Okay this is this is different. This is like fresh and special. And I'm like I wasn't really that hungry. And then they were talking about how they make everything. I'm like I'll take. ABC Freeman so we want to get into a little bit of Merrill's next stage in life. Life Friday goes to Idaho state and then all of a sudden he's in the NFL draft you get strapped at ten proud. I think but still sitting. What was that experience like? Tell us what it was like. Wait for the Pittsburgh steelers. Well I'm GonNa make this pretty succinct when I was a kid favorite team was the Pittsburgh steelers. Who's your favorite player Walter? Fake and so I had both of their pictures on my wall Since I was a kid in Idaho the woods the team. Is it the Bronco. Well it could because you're in the West but now you you always have to use perspective and bring people back to what would what did you have. That was accessible back in the late nineties early eighties it was like ABC. Monday night football now. Has You relaxed writing time steelers. Uh who won the Super Bowl Alzheimer. Steve so is it like San Diego and Denver. I didn't even realize Sandia on Denver were even play in the NFL for years because it was just Pittsburgh the direct and being watched threads on challenge she every team for that'd been exists. You have a couple of games. Monday night was the biggest night and I and the steelers won the end. I honestly had this irritating friend of mine. She was in my math class and she was a cowboy g loved the couch. Oh this soap Joel. Painful so every dealership cowboys play. The steelers would always win. Couldn't wait to get to school Monday when that happened. So I was a big huge Stephen a fan and when I I wanted to columbine and I had I'm glad they don't have tape from back then because I could go down and they come out and just your underwear and standard will all of those things this would have been. I actually would make Tom Brady. Look good I had gotten the flu like four days before the combine back I lose twelve pounds I I actually. Here was my goal for the combine. Because I was on Savannah -biotics and all that stuff I had. I had to get more more doctors written prescription and notes. What they prescribed for me because when I did the drug test they didn't want something up as a false part to me so that was the majority of my work when I got to calm by his hand into everybody? All the medication I was on. I was atrocious. In every every aspect of the combine a ran the forty yard dash. I'm telling you I felt like housing quicksand and this is not a lie. Because I don't I'm not smart enough to make this They don't have the lasers everybody's accent feel other. Yeah and so I was like I. I ran a forty was horrible. And I'm like I just want to kind of get an idea of where I stood. You know if it's short of you know the Sundial too. You know so I actually. There's a raider scout and I was projected. Go the raiders. In the fifth-round. Is Somebody mock drafts out of for some reason. Lobbying having the raiders and I just kept the guy on the shoulder and I said I go what what forty he turned to me and he said you don't WanNa know but here's what's going to happen to you he goes. Somebody's been drafted. You're going to back somebody up. They're going to get hurt. Your take their job and they're never going to get it back in fact. I like the hottest friendly of minded knows my forty the tech forty but I walked away just and what what happened. I get drafted by the steelers. I'm backing up. Ernest Jackson Frank Pollard. And what I see I could do everything so I became like chuck valued that I was on third down back. My most people will never know that I I mean all of what fullback in the in the country in the National Football League was there is your third down back to. Yeah so I. That's how come I make the team in but by time my second year comes around I remember chuck saying okay. Listen you can catch blog. You're GonNa Start and I started order for almost the next ten years here in Chicago. And that's what happened and that actually ernest gotten banged up a little bit. Frank was on his on his last year and they got rid of both of them didn't have a backup for almost eight years back. I didn't have a backup. We'd all tailbacks. I was the only and you're not played down. I have no purpose. Thank you catch the ball backfield. You know down as one of the most important because that's what a lot of crazy come and that's why I I listen I I'd love. We played against buddy. So if you ever play against Buddy Buddy Ryan you never know. Oh what you get is the most bizarre third down. He can do things that were so unsound but he was banking on. We're GONNA get your quarterback before you have a clue what's going on a Dick okay. Who is running back coach? Brilliant coach we we sit and talk about it and he would be literally come down. I don't know what he's going to do. But here's what you gotta Sas. Okay okay. They had played with Monja five defensive linemen and they would line. Let's start on one side of the guard or the other then lining all the way outside attacker and bring all five. We can't expect our offense in line to slide all the way out that we can't expect him to see all of that so you've got five yards of death. You have an advantage. They don't they got things in their face. You got yes some depth. You've got to filter that out. Pick some people up to help him out you know. I had a responsibility. But I'm like they might miss up. So you gotta count for and they would trust me with that and take this I. I can't go many. I any time where I was able to do that. Like I knew I knew they were coming from. Oh thing that's a special skill because a lot of running back a lot of people in this league and being a quarterback shotgun on third down and known where they're coming coming and if you never back that can pick that up there's a lot of protections that you don't have to call and you just run your simple infections in your backsta. Pick the extra guy happen. You knew he would. You're right. Chester Taylor was like that and when I played for the Vikings Right. Just come in five. Pick it off. It just knew what to do you know but there are other guys. Were you knew that he was Mike. Sam Mike San. That's it you know what I mean and you appreciate us to it. I'm sure they were like disc will coach. They blocked my guy. Who'll but the other guy giving the right tackles with Ray Eh? Sam said well runs right by the back right playing. Why didn't you pick them up with my guy? But he's GonNa kill quarterback Eh eh exactly so so you play for the steelers yet. Choose different coaches to difficulties. That are now. What does that like do you? What do you think as far as other coaches now? That are coaching. That you think could be the same level of wild things. Any question and Bill Belichick is like those two guys And you know Herman Editors Herm Edwards and I were on. Espn one day and herm was talking about you. Well this is old school you know. And he's talking about accountability responsibility. You know working and be prepared and is going through it all. I said you know what her her. I don't believe in that I just. I don't think that there's anything I don't think old school is. I think that's the only school you're you're going to tell me that. Working hard being accountable being prepared being responsible. Those things are any different fifties than they are today. Back State are really would even think about success. And that's what I love about sports. That's part of everybody who successful something all of those things exist good winners self. Reflect good winners make changes of good winners will create a plan and then they take action. They regard regards. So it's not just football Chuck was the greatest man. I've ever been around a smart enough. Thank the Lord I was. I got drafted when I was twenty one the NFL. And I'm telling you a member sitting one of my first meetings when he was talk dot actually it was the chief to the chief and Mr Rooney. I mean the chief and chuck and I remember thinking what every time you sit in the see if that guy is up their attention to things he's telling you because what ends up being some of the greatest council ever had in my life I think he was the greatest man and see I say that because he wasn't just coach he was fabulous life life teacher. He was he was amazing. How he prepared you for life's work and then we built our came in? I remember all of us including myself. I was just like man. I would hate to be that new Mike. This is going to be known you know I remember having his first his very first I I team meeting he. He'd talked about. Listen I'm GonNa Take Care of you throughout the week. And that's something John Chuck. We played short artists. eighth-place live on Fridays. We should get in the shower. Go Oh my gosh take three. And now he's got play Sunday before and all we're going to win them all this week and bill was really adamant about take care of us Being prepared and then you take care of me on Sunday and man he lived up to he had an energy that was passed. Asked like I wanted to play for bill. I didn't never I didn't want it shutdown either But he made you self accountable. He was like like chuck on Saturday. Like this I'm done and your job. Now get ready on Sunday. This is your job is not my job and Bill was much different it but he got the same results like he didn't want to fail me. You wanted to play for him at the end of the day. I think that's one of the most important things from a leadership and a coach coach can make get everything out and can you WANNA play for that guy. Can he asked me so I you know I mentioned Dirk Cutter. Dirk Cutter was my high school coach and and Dirk Koetter was one of the greatest minds that I've ever been around and he's a guy I experienced that in high school. I could ask me to do things I remember he was asking me to do this. Throwback Pass in in this game that we're playing up in Boise capitol a high school which was right Jake Plumber Highschool Right Although Jake's way behind me so I mean they're tearing us up playing like the wishbone every every ball. They handed it to me. It's boring here. Hodge left Hajra Coma caches. Anybody else on this. So this is a door throwback pass and I come to south Turkey. No way back with me. I never throw that back. He said can you get it done for me and I'm thinking I don't forty and sure enough though that by the time. They pitched me the ball. I got like I remember. There are black and gold. They're screaming on me. I grabbed the tip of the ball. And I just throw it as hard as I can't or quarterback who's wide open because all and we end up winning but it was just like you know. He gave me that extra Australia I'll get done for. I don't know how do we get it done for you. And Bill was like Dad. LOVED PLAYING FOR BILL I. It's an honor to play exit from both guys can and and as you mentioned before he went through the list of people. He's played luther. Now famous. We counted between coaches and players. Come seven off Emmers yes. He made data. There might be more. We were just going through okay Donnie. 'CAUSE Donnie Shell Locker next to me. I learned law by Don show when I first got in the League. People always ask this. This is a big fans like the hardest Guar. Let's let's go no further than my second week of training camp torpedo. John Amine she you don show because we would practice more live practice so we got after it and Donny. She'll take the week five week. Four or five years later and training. Yeah because Donnie Shell would always like blow up running back. Blew up a guard and then go over and he'd do it two hand touch on the running back on on the other side lines creams three yards the and chuck losing losing his mind. You GotTa get this Guy Walked. We can't listen Saito and then donny would go run it again right. It's just got add fuel to like you have insulted injured and always walks his plays and I'm like man if I ever ever will make call that play. I'M GONNA up killing destroy him. I'll end his career when they call it because we had like ten running backs back then right here we have one hundred players ninety to one hundred players. What better way to make your mark but the odds of you getting being in the huddle and have not played called when he was in there is like you know Vegas odds are against you taste like week four or five? I get thirty boss on. I look out thirty ones out there off his I want. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA hit. He admitted killing Donnie. She'll never be the same after this place over six possible. When I tell you everything I got from the deepest part of my soul and heart art? I hate him with hitting my entire body. Just crumbles a bolt of lightning screamed on the back of my neck. I thought my pads giveaway. My my helmet comes off. My my strap was busted on my. I'm like I feel like my legs or stinging. I mean my shoulders the oldest killing me my helmets rolling off the side. You know my elbow cheek pads rolling everywhere and Chuck's like that's the way he he. So you just gotTa keep your legs going and I was thinking about. I can't feel my legs. I feel my legs and you know he talks to the back and you know. Chuck's losing his is mind. I hear run again and I was thinking. Man's they have run out again. Do not let me be in that. Huddle I was like I'm Jay Donnie. Shell was five ten one nine thousand five. I mean could strike you best striker I've ever go to. NFL films yet go to NFL films. They AC- truck top that same foot. Same shoulder he mastered that he'd had like what twelve thirteen years mastered it. I had like twelve thirteen days in this day. I do not buy like if I could ever strike like that if you go back and look at the playoff game that we're earl Campbell was hit at the goal line at the Sean. NFL that was the beginning of end of Earl Earl. Campbell and people don't realize that was Donnie. Shell Ready. Donald Show was donny. Show was the standard at safety before Ronnie Lott. No before and people forget that and don't realize he has the most interceptions by safety in history. He couldn't catch cold when he got here. But you got donny. I play stalwart learn. You know we didn't counselors. I always ask reminding. Dawson Dawson. Roadworks Kevin Dream Rod Woodson. I got drafted together. Camonte Dawson was my neighbor brother. DNA or a really close. I love brother D- so you go through your career retire. You're making that blue. I think he retired that year. I came into the League. Nine thousand nine hundred out so I was drafted ninety four by the redskins. And you making that next transition in your life. What was is that like? Did you know that you were going to be going in and doing broadcasting trying that China out of my way my career ended in Chicago. Go back to the chuck knoll lesson. He always talked about your life's Work USA. Guys ain't football you know be prepared you know if you got your degree yet it The stages you're you're GONNA get very few people get. He said use them. Don't abuse them like I'll never forget that use them don't abuse Muslimeen and there's so many players and people feel like 'cause you play failure entitled to and I know without a fact. It's it's the wrong attitude to have because people were more than willing to give you an opportunity to look at you and give you things other people won't but they're quick ended. If you're going to be you know disrespectful an arrogant about right above it so Tom Will be the local radio station here. One of the gave me. I had no if you just said in high school or college even ask me like what do you want to do. I mean given even you like something in fitness some teaching and coaching. I would have never said broadcasting. Don't even thought process. But because does I was. I would listen to Chuck Knoll. They asked me to do to be that I. Actually I was one of the first players ever to do a call in radio. Show back in like like the eighty eighty seven. Yeah I get asked to do anything like that remember DVD. So I do it for a local be ninety four be no auto buying. I do call in at ninety four on Fridays after practice. I have to go sit in Pat Hanlin and Dan Edwards pat handling runs the giants Handling now runs Jacksonville K.. I had to go into their office and they had to listen to me. Do the radio show so I do this. It becomes a big thing. People start talking about it in the summer somber. DVD asks me. I'm I'm dumb not stupid. They go how much it'd be ninety four paying you and I pause just enough because they weren't paying these just enough for them to go. What if we put a package together? I'm sure you put packets together. Take off me ten thousand dollars take the answer right. Well Yeah right because I'm a bad negotiators. See FBI ten thousand dollars but the key is. I have to come to the studio on Monday after games and as I remember thinking okay the money was already got to get up at like you. You know six thirty five thirty but the state of South Hills I was actually. I'm GonNa Passes Studio on the way down through four pit tunnel sound like I came here in shock. You know use your stage. Don't abuse your stage. You know really do your part in the the process as your life's work my have you know I I better do so. I agree to a first time I ever walked into a studio. WAS THAT A. I remember the door and it was like something. Captivated me is like scrabble. Like you know all these cab like I've never seen this this coolest thing I've ever seen and I'll start asking questions so that sparked my passion towards towards broadcasts so different than anything you've ever done and it was just. It's I started doing Thursday shows when I get signed by the bears. Part of my deal to Chicago was I did a two hour Monday night. Football show at Walter. Payton's Yeah I did The seed Michael the CBS CBS Pre and post game TV shows. I had broadcasting contract as part of my mom transition. Yeah to play in Chicago so my career ends I. Actually actually you know what I was really the way my career ended because it was like week five of the season and had improper care with head trauma and people see concussions ended. And that's not the case. It was improper care that ended my career and I was not in a a good place. I was going through depression. I've seen counselor. I mean always train wreck and others rely on the couch looking. Remember looking down going I am. I'm disgusting getting mass. And here's a challenge for me the take action and change things you know point fingers and casting blame and make an excuse I mean and it's it's terrible. I lost my groove and if I keep doing that I'm going nowhere so I really star reaching out in the the coaching and kind of broadcasting ESPN talking to me. Well Mr Rooney called me. Miss Rooney asked me if I would be the first player to come into the broadcasting booth of the steelers and I remember saying well casting mystery I go. I don't think myron would like that. And he's like Let me just remind you something. That's not my choice guy. Good point right so nope I become the first St. Most people would never know that because they didn't let me talk it was. I mean Bruce Gilbert who was the it was a WTI when he was the director for ramming director w t they actually called me into the office after a few weeks because it was not going well. 'CAUSE Myron didn't want me there Myrick Eric. Even though I listen admire you respect. I'm here to learn. I will do whatever you need to do a little bit. He's getting to work. Hang in America and just walked away and he goes well. Listen I can get where he he was feeling. uh-huh here's a player taken over because this is kind of like really what happened on Monday night. Football it was against Bandy dawn and Howard cosell see Howard cosell really really believe Dandy Don had no business being because he's a football player wasn't a broadcaster? He was adamant that you can't do this. Because you play football you're not broadcast which was Obviously the wrong. The WHO's the best way. I'm care what we're talking about isn't somebody who has lived it and experienced the best one to share it right. You know this really is is you could never tell you the depths but what. It's like to walk inside those white lines. Step in the huddle maitree using I loved I loved Howard. Yeah but that's how Really mindless he was just like. You didn't belong here. I mean they watched it. They never lived right and so when you look at today on the broadcast that are out there. You did for ten years. I think you'd be twenty one in broadcasting for twenty one twenty twenty Eh so we'll is twenty one. ESPN and I. I've really I've worked. I did it a year. That's almost twenty five years who you've been doing for a long time. Who Ludi you like listening to you? Say This this group is duo soon a game. You know what I actually enjoy. I'd like I'd like Troy. I like that group that that team Troy Joba. Joe Buck the I love Joe Brooks Humor. I've known Joe Buck forever His wife works. VSBN of know her forever Of I've always I I like that. Here's like there's some broadcast teams did just won't shut up. I mean it's like oh my gosh. His let it breathe. If you like Tony. I mean I think he's gotten to the point where and I'm like. Oh my Gosh Tony. Just let him play this. Let them do it. These prediction east. A Lotta stuff predicament wrong. Now he knows giving a hundred different different things that they're just flying over your head and you gotta you really got much. Didn't even understand what you're telling people you know. And he's so K.. To let the play happens so cadence needless fan enjoy what has got that you know. That's the one thing that you have. TV as you always have the visual form you know sound like radio where you got to constantly elite. Yeah keep the viewer. What's going on? Have to put a picture in your mind you know and I did a lot of I used to do play by play two. I've done play by play and color and that's like a play by play guy. Here's what I believe like the less works better. You know first ten homeless bag complete right bump then you let your color. I do a lot of good and I just I think he's got a point. You're like food. There's never a break in here. You know you think like I look back at some of my favorite when I used to watch was madness over Daiwa's this classic as kids. When they were on there they were just too? They were no mad scribbling on the screen. A lot of that stuff and and to me that was like okay. You had one guy who both inter element with John was ingrained in it for years. You know actually I think one of the greatest awards I've ever gotten. I made the all Madden team in ninety three thank or ninety to ninety one maybe and Madden you can only be on the man team. If you watched you play a game means you. You couldn't be a part of that end. What made me? What got me on the team? And I'll be played the Philadelphia Eagles and I had a good game number wise ice but there was two plays back to back that blocked Reggie White. He'd beat our guard and I stepped up and now read you. I just like slapping me. We're coming back. I mean I'm screaming Brisa. We'll come back but I'm fighting right up suits so this happens back to back in madman nuts. He's like blocking Reggie. What our when? They made me part of the team. I you know they called me You know they didn't have the hand you they give you this plaque it is. It's that a football trenchcoat picture. The the Ward giving the class they give you ways about thirty five pounds while it is one of the coolest awards I've ever gotten a trophy. Has Everybody's name on the back of that. There were part though team that it is it is actually back then. That was better than the pro bowl. Like have view made doll maintain then actually. Then you're you're the best football player that year and that was better better than recognized. Nine Turkey on Thanksgiving. Can you remember. Yeah I think it was. It was was it because of in Detroit in ninety nine and then we played for the Redskins that game. I mean we really last her actually had out right. Yeah they just have all those lays down six weeks at me and Johnny Moore and He's a big defense that report. Shane We all got one. I forgive it was great. I mean just you know you're on the headset man's ask you a question. Does what you grow up watching. It's kind of cool and even though you're playing the game it was a part of the kid that comes out of you when you're in those situations which is a lot fires no doubt you know his name. His name escapes me but he called my playoff game against the Denver. The broncos Oh my favorite line I thought he had the greatest voice and he the greatest way of calling the game us the play play by play guy cast on it and he's one of his he was known by like. Oh my I'm trying to think of his name doesn't help us spark in yes but I'll think because Fact Them Bill. Walsh was the color guy during the game and I'm trying to think of his name and I am and we'll come back to it but I think there's a lot of you know like Chris Collins. We're coming Chris. I think does a really good job. You can tell he doesn't really good guys and you know even Romo's good I just it's like you don't like it's it's just an TV like letting us breathe a little bit. 'cause you have visuals to help people I it's called a few games earlier the call the plays before and there's a lot of threes and then it's almost like tragedy. Yeah and even though he's Sean he he'll learn K.. Just get it so before we get into our no huddle section. That will do here. 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I wait you tell us a little bit about everything that you're doing now and and you know I know you're into so much I mean I follow you on social media you're linked in you're doing so much written a book you're an author you're talking about so many things but tell us about your passions right now and we're going to if you will I will tell you this This is my second book now. If any of my high school or college professors teachers ever heard I wrote two books. They'll probably watch. There's hope for it but in fact this should give everybody hope. If I can do this anybody can do it. That'd been said this became came my passion because we have heard the narrative. You know kids are having you know. If you get good cussin' You're GONNA have some issue hugh later in life Some concussion which is science fiction doesn't exist well first of all it were true. People need realize the leading cause of head trauma in the country is drinking. That's going to actually this. If you could put all sports together you put car accidents together and you would never come up with this in the what what. What's the leading cause of head trauma in the country tripping and falling right leading people go you can't first of all thank who's all eligible eligible the trip and fall hundreds of millions of people in this? Everybody it's the leading cause of head trauma in this country. I wrote the book because when I started to read the scientific literature right and and if people start trying to argue with anything that I'm about to say just show me to scientific literature and I got to clarify. What scientific literature is that is journals? Jammeh their scientific papers because actually did this. Somebody sent me a sports illustrated article so they don't even know what a scientific literature is like. Right is not at sports illustrated in fact. That's the last place I would look for the truth but I really just wanted to know how played football. Concussion and improper kinnear ended my career. I'm up in coach Youth Football for twenty years. My sons are playing a seven. I'm like in my gut of things in my experience of things as a just didn't make sense. So but how do you come back a narrative your hair and if you don't understand it so I don't understand it. It's hard for me to come back so I really went on a search. I went across this country. It took me to Canada. I met with every pathologist would sit with me and discuss tell all all it asks him was like listen to explain to me what. CT really is what's causing it. Every one of them the first one said to me the last one said to me like Maryland. CT CT is a towel pattern in an observation state ago we have no idea what is causing and we don't know if it's even got symptoms from and we have three hundred cases in the medical journal to this point a hundred of them never played. Sports never had a concussion and never had a history of head trauma. So I'm like now wait a minute. Why have we heard about about that right right there? You can point at sports and you specifically can't point of football and I'm like how can this narrative get to this point the last lady I was talking to Lily. Herati who's one of the great minds up in Canada she goes you know what go read the spectrum of disease paper. It was a scientific leaked research paper authored by Ann McKee and she was quoted in the media is saying after doing that literature that science paper that off them all players had an she'd come to the conclusion all players have show really she goes cadet paper so I read the paper. I know what you want me to read the paper in the conclusion. I'm paraphrasing here. But this is basically what it says. In the paper she authored she wrote. You cannot use this research paper because it's such garbage to give anybody any sense degree of CD in professional athletes or military. It's in the paper well so EXAC- and I'm like well. Why would she say the opposite in the media and then why wouldn't a journalist who just had that quote? Why would he go read? The paper read the conclusion and come back. and and why would you. Why would you deliberately abuse the hippocratic oath that you signed to do no harm because you know many the people read that you and how many people think about is something that is actually true for rent that you know on couldn't sleep? I sleep so we just kept Kevin Eaten at me meet me and then it came to this really decision in my life. I'M NO BOSTON. University is corrupt. What they I have done this criminal if I do nothing about it and my any better than they are right just like they are? I've just chose to ignore it and let them occur stark continue to narrative and couldn't that's more the papers. I read more science research. I looked at the more doctors that had explained it to me. I'm like this is a sham. These guys have deliberately created a narrative to scare people. Bully people and Threaten People here. If you looked up in an article that just came out in the wash post about Dr Mollie. Who did that? The concussion when he switched scans he switched tissues. He created something from Mike. Lester Mike Webster did not have Mike Webster died of heart failure anyway. She never died in so called. Brain disease. Brain disease is not wear kills you right and that doesn't cause you to make commit suicide like the lead you to believe it happens and he actually wrote an article Michael Back about a two thousand sixteen consensus that they they made he was going by those guidelines. This tells you just how completely corrupt they are in two thousand awesome at sixteen just so we understand. What consensus is in science? We bring all the scientific literature on this towel pattern. Call see we look at all the science and we say okay. There's enough scientific evidence here that it's a disease we then also have staging it's stage one two three or four then we also do consensus on here the symptoms from it it has to happen inside. It's mandatory in two thousand sixteen. They did it and got revoked. It got kicked out there. There was no consensus. They didn't finish consensus. Show at this point in this state that has never happened and so in Paris. They're having this huge meeting with all all of these scientists to decide on consensus. Who Do you think does not want this? This meaning to happen Boston. University doesn't have why don't they want it to happen. They've already made it a disease they already talk about staging and they already talked about symptoms. It's never been done. It's never been completed so they've been running around Creighton narrative. They can't prove there's no paper scientific paper that has caused Lincoln none. There is no scientific research that has clearly defined and it's a disease here's the staging and here are the symptoms. So just those things right there. If you do your research and your work right you will find out how it is the dead truth of it so then you gotta start asking yourself. Well wait a minute why would you. Why would you do that? The millions of dollars they get from the NIH with H is accountable for this too. Is your feet. You're right Yuling. Evil you're fueling correctness without holding them accountable accountable and then if anybody stands up and says something to the contrary that's a scientist you know. They butcher they get threatened and I know that has happened. I've seen it happen and I understand a little bit. Why they're scared okay? You can't ruin my medical career you can attack me from scientists. But when I did this book Dr Cummings Cummings. I did get a board certified forensic professor out of Boston University. Who had seen the exact same things because he didn't want his son to to play and we actually met in join forces on the book accidentally does he was experienced in the same things? I almost didn't let my son play until I was like wait a minute I'm over. I could access all that paper. I'm going to go read it and the more you read it was like Oh my God so this is not the truth. So do you think that It basically comes down to these people. Were trying to find a way to make money. They make millions of dollars for creating a problem. They get government funding for making millions for creating a problem. No you don't want to because suzy start talking like this people. Oh you don't think head trauma support. You're not saying that I know but he cautions head traumas aren't aren't important that we take care of protocol and I was going to say to who it is that for me the. NFL's part is. Is that the pressure on a player to give back on the field when you know that head trauma is going to take some time. I've played with a lot of guys who had major major injuries. They don't link Frank Light. Jackie Trina Frank. Franks had a lot of issues and robbins with that but it just kept going right. It's like your situation if you take. If they were taking the time to let you feel no different than a broken leg or anything else else. They just couldn't see it until they threw out faster. Then it happens again cleared over the phone just something. Yeah some- The clear that out you know framework the check play roughly when Roche his years. Oh he he played somewhere around me a little bit like probably like ninety nine to two thousand seventeen. You've gotTA realize. Kate loses perspective. This is Kinda like the pilgrims. Let's say they came back and they did a podcast and all of them were ticked off because they didn't have planes trains and automobiles when they allow you like. Maybe it didn't exist. There's a reason we didn't have sure would have been an easier so you have to understand. What information resources did? We have at the time and I played in resource. Something I'll I'll give you big shred on. I leave this for him. Because there's so many great non abrasive non medicated treatments. That can help people with trauma and even an emotional Schnelle and mental health issues that we need to start spread spreading hope and input mation an education to empower and help people to open up and talk about so we can get them the help but when you look at what we're going what was going on with players in nineteen ninety-four. Yes I'd take. I'd say the cuts on. I have a severe head trauma on a Monday night game in Kansas City. This is what severe is here. Here's the two greatest signs of severity for head trauma. It's not really losing consciousness. That looks bad. But it's AH real indicator what's the indicator are your cognitive recall and stability. So have you guys still wobbling for awhile who I'm sitting there and then there's all kinds of different cognitive learning there's retrograde and interior great. So what's retrograde. What's your name Here's until Dr Tares and Chiro. Great you've never been here. What's the name of this restaurant? So when he was a day. Hold Right. There's a whole host of things that you've got to be You got to be challenged on and make sure the report will struggle with those things hours later. Okay that's pretty good. I mean that's that's you know somebody who who can lose consciousness it's like making regarding Mason Rudolph when you looked at his car to recall the sharpest attack. Five minutes later no stability issues. They came out and next week just for for safety aspects of it but he didn't really have any symptoms whereas I didn't lose consciousness. I had all these issues news and five days later I get called by the doctor and they clear me over the phone to go back and play to throw up through. They knew one. Frank had really bad implying flying home. He fell asleep in any up for a while. And this and that can be a symptom those those symptoms. That should have been you know as you based on if even the information back there because I'm on nine hundred ninety. What did they know at that? Point even thing about today. If you go see your doctor district regular doctor that you see all time for your checkup. What's the one thing that he will never ask you? Roy D. AN MD.. You know he's it's not going to ask you about that unless you're injured already or if you've got a preview Ryder Lynn unhealthy. And you've been at greater checkups. He's not going to say let's take a look at your brain. Let's see what it's like motel. Do we have something to compare to later every other shoe. Another part of our body baroness point something. And the only way. I think you could do that truly. Is You have to do some type of base cognitive things so you can get where you stand. I feel I don't know if they have but it all boils down the money right you gotta you gotTa find ways those doctors get reimbursed for see. I don't know where their education is from that perspective. How do I really do see? That's where you gotta go to neural doctor to really they do that. which you actually bring up a really interesting point that everybody says you can go to a doctor and say listen? I'd like to look at my brain health you know. Can you evaluate because I've actually thought about doing this with Mickey Collins when my career ended back in nineteen ninety four. Here's what they did for me even Jovan who's one of the greatest minds on on this planet. This is the only tools they had back. Then they're like he gave me two years ago. You got about eighteen months to two year window to see if you can recover based based on what you have recovered and by eighteen months or not covered. That's kind of what you're going to be stuck with now days my son might just. My son just went through this freshman freshman year and keep night. He slipped in the shower. It wasn't even in a football game. It was four days before football games. Play was not a football field key. This lingers lingers for a couple a year and a half he finally goes in they give him a cognitive plan where they do cognitive treatments everyday exercises. This is if you will and they do a training program to to match up to it to help repair the area of the brain. That has been traumatized which they can do that. That is the identified the in ten days. I'm telling you guys he was I like. I hadn't seen that clarity for almost a year since he had slipped in the shower head and said yeah and it cleared him up. That's why you know it's rethink concussions. Dot Com which is a great website for people to be informed in power rethinking customs rethink concussions and then for mental health and magnetic field treatment. Therapy you have might transformations dot com. My transformation automation is another good one for people who have anxiety depression issues but there's treatment help that's not medicated. Off Medication Right. Yeah so there's a lot of great. WHOA that's right? They're not really helium. They're masking a success. Rate get medication is so minimal. Magnetic Treatment Therapy is about seventy percent success rate for treatment. When you have re-occurrence meaning you kind of go back into their success? Rate second go round is eighty seven percent. Medication goes down. Not Up the second second go round. So there's there's amazing things that are out there. We need to play having protocols and treating a head. Trauma is the most important thing for head trauma. If your son or daughter have a concussion or have an issue that means there is no Santa Together. None that says Oh. They're going to have cognitive or emotional behaviors later. Lighten liked however these are trauma things. Your kids could experience that could have issues later in life bullying that parenting some type of tragic experience. It's in their life a mental or physical abuse. All of those things can have a scientific literature papers and evidence that that can cause issues later later life. That's playing contact. Sports no scientific literature that none that says if your kids play context especially in the environment that exists today. They're they're gonNA have issues later in life but I give you a whole stack of literature from sugar consumption obesity in an activity that not just the case the brand the the body but has a major effect on our brain hill. Oh no doubt I believe the book to help you understand the facts about the science. All the things things that are available and things that would empower you. No matter what sport you're looking at your book Brainwash Working People get it. You can go to Merril Hodge dot com that's M. RL Hogan together should be only two not to Meryl Hodge Dot Com. Or you can. Amazon takes you right to Amazon as well but that website decide that websites. Good because we have other podcasts and information science papers for you to read because I encourage I want you to be skeptical. Go ahead and dig into writing writing. I've said but do you. Research and look at the scientific literature. Don't read the local paper. Don't read sports illustrated that's garbage. They gave the facts. They're not read in scientific. Go read the literature for Yourself. Maybe ourselves with. Then you'll know what's best for your family exact get well our last segment. You know we do a really quick Dave got some guests that have Given US some questions from reading Yes yes so audience participation and we love that we do love but while while I'm sorting through does your NFL Commissioner on before we start I got I got into the the segment I've been here. He's a little rough. So hey everyone We're getting into the know how to hot here. And this segment is brought to our friend from Sports Circus and MTV and hotel television One of the places that are show will be aired on television out in Las Vegas and California the area so Thank you to sow bookie out there in Vegas and Putting us on MTV in the sport circus so In the huddle in the no hoddle. We're going down the field our two minute drill date fire wait. Give them Merrill's first question time outs. I got no skin euro two minutes. Okay now this is from some guy named Gabe. I'm not sure that it's but anyway Who is your least favorite player to get hit by? Ah The guy who was just a freak upon freaks I mean the one of the most challenging but He brought the BESSEMER SA Lawrence. Taylor Laurence Taylor was was. He was a agency freak among going into game playing that week and they said okay. We're going to be fifty fifty six. What was your first thought Well that have been the dumbest move they ever get because they did actually nobody nobody actually was ever said. You're just you can have fifty six. I take that back. Actually did they do. They did asked me a couple of times to handle fifty six but it would be a three step. Drop the ball's going. What would they tell? Tell the quarterback you better get rid of it. 'cause we got no promises and then what would they tell me right. Cut Lauren statement. Right so I mean that was the only time everybody else. We had two guys his argument times and if nobody had worked for him. So that we'd be the first time I tried to cutler steeler. He cuss me out like but he called me. He called me by my first name is like many live. Bet Mike my Right guard like he wants to kill you I go. I know I know this question's from inland gossip. We thought about this before the show. Will he be ever play again in the NFL. I will never say no. He said many scenarios where I just don't see a team the thing I think that matters the most is if he eventually assumed for saw spots ability and gets help and cleaning things up if he does that but he's run time because he was not going upward that that's that pendulum swing down this way and it's GonNa keep it's not going to start going back up so this is going to have to be a unique situation but that this one will be the one where I think. There's a lease likelihood of that especially doesn't make any changes. He doesn't make any change. There's no way you make some changes. I think he might be able to is reaching out to place. Go Michael Vick for mentor. Whether you don't Michael Vick Michael for a long time and gotten to know him and that guy is this anybody who's made mistakes one thing he he owned up to what he did wrong. tried to make it right to take an action steps towards that and and is a great story so if he can learn from Michael that would be a real plus for him so dave our next question from one of our Great Patriots here at Trace Grace reveals. What what what we okay we have? Let's see some that we were going through some steeler Chevy. I'm not going to get into that. Okay how about this one is. Mike Tomlin sealers three consecutive. Could just make it to the often. Well tell you this when you look at you know you look at these overall numbers you know and what he's done and you you compare him. I think he's GonNa and a half Hallum Hall of fame numbers. Here's the problem that a lot of steelers run into this voting is doesn't is it doesn't mean it's right. They look like all AWW got to. They got all these. That's what the Hell Donnie. Shell out I'm telling you this is they had so many steelers like we can't put another one in the state of more this year right instead of saying. Hey listen is he worth it is he. Is He that is the guy deserves being hall of fame putting men you know but I know what they do. Well they we still. We'll have the cell the guy that there's I'm sure that other guy you know has hall of fame numbers as well so great that will that will be the negative that'll be and he can't control that you know but he has if you compare them. He's got hall of fame numbers right even without another super bowl. Bill did with one. You know any lost one and that same as what Mike is that I think is winning percentage and he's coaching the longest higher than bill for you wanted to even I so thirteen you know that that would be a hard thing for a writer to say why not really awesome you but I think he clearly has all credibility to be a hall of Famer so so we got another question from audience member but just let me preface it by saying that you know you lived in Idaho Hallway from childhood oil up through college. Get drafted by the steelers. You've been here for a long time. Since since. Nineteen eight hundred seventy seven. What from an and our audience? But she's he's out there. What you love most about Pittsburgh well I honestly and I feel very fortunate and I say this is genuinely as I said I I had never you know fell more home or more loved? You know our appreciate it for whatever reason that is I I am home by that and and I have always felt like that in the city of always considered this home People say oh we got the best fans will listen. There's a lot of me doing the business I've been doing for twenty years every player. That's outside of Pittsburgh rallied. The best fans I mean they are the best and what makes them great fans in. I'm from my perspective is that they are passionate. They are smart. They appreciate if you gave everything you had they. They appreciate that they want to win. I mean they're used to win. Win Super Bowls K.. But there's something rebound though they appreciate it gave everything you had and they They make you feel that resonates with me even to this day. You know I come from my my son when he was Lillard and we brought his friends here they were. They were in awe that you know how when I come back home how people are and it's not I mean I can walk down the street in Maryland I dunno guy from Adam Right Donald late I like it th comfortable doing say hi right so there I just I love the people here the fans are great and I love. There's no greater entrance in all of this country to a city then the four times coming through the day do they know better now. Yeah so last question for me. Is You know. The raiders are moving to Vegas. The show is going to be out in Vegas on TV. I you know I think it's it was just such a stretch of the NFL Vegas as NFL city when I have a good friend. WHO's office coordinator? Greg Olsen for the raiders and he talked about it and just couldn't yeah. I mean they're sold out. People super excited brand new stadium. He said the facilities are credible What do you think about the raiders? Moving to Vegas. Well listen. I played the raiders when they were in L. A.. J. They bounced around. I mean I've always felt like. Is there a better better name than Oakland Raiders. You know like like you say actually I did this one time on radio when he played with delays to right. Oh yeah so we were talking about what team for moving around we are doing radio shows. Chaz doing radio show here in Pittsburgh I retired and we were talking about teams because teams were moving around this. Imagine the steelers moving. Think about that person could the steelers. Could you may imagine the steelers being anywhere else in this country but in Pittsburgh unimaginable. No it's just like a little bit of that with Oakland at the time because I think that was kind of when Oakland was going back to La right but if there was actually a spot fits them biggest it is it is Las Vegas that is not a heart swallow for me to see them in Bay you know you see the colts leave and and people move around. They lose so many fans. I don't see that with the raiders like the the fans don't really really care where they go they and they're pretty excited about going to vegas I you know. I don't foresee it being a home field advantage. I could be wrong because when you look at. What what they've done with hockey there? I mean uh places zoo and it's only like on their third year but when you look at listening the steelers Calica Zona like it's December. I'm we'll go watch them play. And he's got a bunch of fans that live in Arizona. There's a bunch of steeler fans live in Vegas. I mean I. I don't know that they're you're gonNA have the true homefield melting pot. You know like like Miami to Miami Miami stuff. I played there one year and it is tough. There's not when you're playing the Patriots. It's it's Patriots Fan. Brian jets jets fan down not advantage for. I've always thought you warm from other teams disadvantage when it comes down to November December January more. Because we can't wait to get down there right. That is an advantage for you got anything else. Yeah what what's your biggest pet peeve. All right biggest pet peeve since I drove in today when you're on a two lane highway anyway the right lane is driving lane the left lanes the passing lane right. Okay now. It's a passing lane. It's not a driving people won't spin. I don't care if you're gonNA MM speed limit. It's a passing lane the law. Is You pass people and you get over. You don't sit and drive in regardless of your going to speed limit you just get. That is number one gun talk more people on the right side now that I do just like go there deliberately no it. That's the worst last one. Last one gives you could be anyone else in the world for one day. Who would that be from one day shoot? I'd take Tiger Woods man. His Golf Game Six hundred zero the tiger woods. Hey everyone we wanna thank you for joining us in the huddle and in putting this out sports circus. 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AP Headline News Mar 25 2019 10:00 (EDT)

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54:16 min | 1 year ago

E38: Hurricane Cocktail, Rubin Hurricane Carter and John Jonchuck

"Hey guys, you are listening to killer cocktails where the drinks are stiff, but the bodies are stiffer. This is a casual true crime podcast where two friends get drunk and talk about gruesome murders each week. We pick a different drink whose name or ingredients, set the tone for our stories. Hey guys, welcome to this week's episode of killer cocktails. I am Jackie this is dre. And this week's drink is the hurricane. Oh man. You guys the hurricane. It's a storm Bruin. Oh, yeah. It's coming for you, and it's a little kid little twenty allies. Good of this hurricane is coming tonight. So we got this out. We got this cocktail as a recommendation from a listener her Instagram handle is Ray underscore of son of sunshine, and it's our Wii underscore of sunshine with to ease at the end. Ray of sunshine sunshine in actually, the reason why she recommended the cocktails because she actually recommended a murder, that's right. You dibs, it real? Oh, I was like talking to her. I was like, oh, what is this? It's, it's the conversation. I yeah. Like if you can find me a cocktail, I will do this order. And she was like, boom hurricane. I got you. Okay. So this, okay, I'm excited to hear what the times are being, but more about the hurricane cocktail Jackie would colors scottdale. It looks like tequila sunrise. He does actually the orange juice Grenadine that little that little look that little look, it's like tequila sunrise. If when you went to take a sip you punched in the face with alcohol. But you don't really taste the alcohol or can't anymore. I mean did your you've lost your? It's like sugary Ambu. It does this mean we talk, maybe like the first sips, maybe it hadn't mixed while or now I've had. But, like we were saying darkroom light rum. You got some passion fruit in there on. Yup. Simple syrup young. So it's one of many popular drink served in New Orleans, really. Yes. No one's Arlyn's. It is traditionally served in a tall curvy hurricane glass. I mean, we kinda urge isn't tall shorten thick so that hurricane cocktail is made differently on islands of the Bahamas. The drink is composed of various measures of coffee liqueur, one, fifty one rum, Irish cream in grand money, air gray. Manja manja. It's which is like a deviation of triple sack. It's like a nicer, like Irish cream and coffee like no, I so we're making them. I had all those, those make delicious drinks that this is my thing, that's not a hurricane. That's a whole another ball game. The Chretien of the passion, fruit colored relative of the decrees, the Dachary, we need to do that his credited to Norrland's tavern owner. Pat O'Brien the bar. Allegedly started. As Speakeasy called, Mr. O'Brien's club Tipperary in the password was storms, Bruin storms, Bruin. I feel like if you have a Speakeasy you can't put your name on it. 'cause like the they're gonna do it was just gentlemen's club. No pretend it was a smoking club. Oh, jolly. Good. Yes. So in the nineteen forties. He needed to create a new drink to help him. Get rid of all the lesser popular. Rum's. Okay. So it's a clean out the basement. Yes. Uh-huh. And so he poured the concoction into hurricane lamp shade glasses and gave it away to sailors, the draft, the drink, caught on, and it has been a mainstay in the French quarter ever since I'm going to guess that the popularity of this drink hinges on its booze factor. And if people feel like they're getting their money's worth, I feel like because it's, it's like a Long Island I think there's a party factor to a boost tastic drink Jay. How do you like the cocktail? Middle of the road. I'm not gonna order it. I would not order this, if I was on vacation like an all inclusive, and it was like a round of these being bought by everybody. I you know, I jump off a bridge, I guess I would have won. But I would get a painkiller over this. I would get a my tie over the sin book. It'd be the same with the island. Yes. Yes. Yeah. It's, it's doesn't taste bad. I'm not like choking it down. But it's also not a new Fave. Yeah. All right. What about, you know? Don't like it. No. I mean it's fine. But I don't know. It's not up. There's only so recoilless. Yes. Not Jim buck Santa, Jim buck, nothing has obscene. I am jonesing for Jim. Buckley, tell you all summer is upon. Jackie emerged time. Reggie time I'm going to tell you about Rubin hurricane Carter stop it. Really? Are you familiar with the case at all, you know, I don't know names do more time Rubin. Hurricane carter. I got nothing. It's famous. He's famous it's been covered by a million. There's a major motion picture starring Denzel Washington. Which makes me laugh really hard views. I remember being at blockbuster video with my mom and my sister, and we're like crews in the outer cruising the new releases for not in the core recruiting the outside and picking a movie and my mom goes, ooh. What about this one? It's a natural disaster, and she Soling up and it's just denzel's face. And it says hurricane and my sister, I laugh so hard. I her in a very like mean girls way like that's boxer. And then she was like, oh, I don't wanna watch move out of boxer and like put it back. And we ended up getting something else. Yeah. Probably the perfect storm. Yeah, there's so many good ones. So I knew that that movie existed. I haven't seen it. I don't know anything about well, now I do because I've obviously researched my story a little bit. But I didn't going into this. No anything about it. I just knew it was the story of a boxer who'd been accused of a crime, who went to prison for a long time that was kind of how much I knew about it. There is a relatively new within the last year or so BBC podcast that came out called the hurricane tapes, and they have all this old like it's not only interviews, old interviews, according of Ruben hurric- of hurricane talking about all of this, but also the other guy that was lumped into the crime with him, detect like there's all sorts of treasure troves of audio and it's these sports writers from England who are researching this. So they're not like true crime. Detectives they're just really great reporters, and they're interested in it 'cause it's boxing and it's just like a really great super detail. Field entertaining. I'm like five at besides maybe, but I've really been enjoying hurricane tapes. So if you wanna podcast mentioned, again, the end when we talk about what we're listening to, but I've thoroughly enjoying those podcasts. Okay. So Rubin Carter was born may six nineteen thirty seven oh in Clifton, New Jersey. So he's like the fourth about seven kids, and he had trouble with the law from a very young age. He went to the juvie went to to you. You went to Juby for assault, allegedly for stabbing a guy in self defense in self defense when he was eleven. Oh, wow. No. He went to Jubilo. He escapes from that reform. Tori in nineteen fifty four and she's like seventeen ish, I think quick math and he joins the army. So he completes his basic training in like West, Virginia or something. And he heads over to west Germany, Germany, still to different spots at this point he begins to box for the US army. So that's where he discovers that he's like a really good, boxers. He's boxing for the US army. He's discharged in nineteen fifty-six as unfit for service. After four court marshals shortly after he's just charged. He's convicted of two muggings and sent to prison. Oh, so he has a very rough live kind of always. Yeah. He's released from prison in nineteen sixty one and that's when he begins his career as a professional boxer. So he's shorter than most middleweight boxers. He's about five eight. Okay. And he's always boxed in like the one fifty five to one sixty range. So when you look at like photos like dude is just built because he's in that same. We ranges those taller. Yeah shorter. So his reach is a little bit different but he's just as powerhouse. He's very good. He kinda takes a tent he gains a reputation for early knockouts. So people are really excited about him. He's ranked in the top ten of middleweight boxers for a time. He's only boxing for a handful of years though, before he gets into trouble in can't really box anymore. Yeah. But by nineteen sixty three he's kind of he's lost a big. Friday store starting to kind of lose some of his cachet. There's also like I couldn't find much about this. There's also an incident in, in a London hotel room or a firearm went off seems to kind of trouble kinda follows him. He's very vocal about. So if you think about this, it's the early to mid sixties. He is a these doing well in the boxing world. He's from African American boxer. And he's very vocal about how much he despises the police how he wants the police to be treated, how black people being treated in America. He's very much when COMEX is kind of coming. He he really like ties into that and feels like that is the way to go later on down the road of Mohammed Ali will be kinda speaking on behalf of him saying, like he wasn't treated so it like think about the timing of all of this is a very tumultuous time for black Americans. Just kind of give it a little context. Okay. So now let's take ourselves to the, the incident on June. Sixteenth nineteen sixty six Rubin Carter. He. He he heads out. So he's in New Jersey at the time, and he's going out to a club called the nightspot, and he's just he's gonna carry on and have a great time. He loves going out. He's wearing a white sports jacket, white shirt, black tie black vest, black pants sell a little black and white team. He's driving on his way to the nightspot. And he sees this guy. John are John artists who's walking down the street. John had been home and he's kinda young. He's like nineteen ish doesn't drink, but he loves to dance people call him dancing boy. Oh, he's like a dancer. So he's like, I'm going to go down to the nightspot and I'm gonna tear rug. So he's like walking down, and then he sees Ruben driving. And it's a small enough neighbourhood thinks he's like, hey, Ruben and Ruben pulls his head of the night spies. I yeah, I'm gonna nightspot. Hey, can I get a ride, so he gives them a ride? So when they get to the club Ruben heads to the bar because he's going to drink and party there. And John is like I'm headed back to the back where the dance floors, and he's just dancing all night, and witnesses are, like, he's your dancing. He's drinking like they were here all night. So then when it's last call so they've got so so when I was listening to the podcast, they've got some tapes of him talking about that night. And he's like they took it to Las call. I remember being like oh, you know the nights over. So he goes outside when he's outside. He bumps back into Ruben. And he's like, hey man. Can I get you give me right here? Can I get right back? They hadn't seen each other all night and rooms like do you have your license because like I've been drinking, like, yeah, I have a license throws him his keys. Cool. You can drive then there's another guy who's wasting waist pants and his name is a bucks, Royster. And he's like, hey, can I get a ride to? So now you've got John who doesn't drink. He's driving. You've got books Royster. He says. Doc gun, and then you've got Rubin who lays down in the backseat was right now, tells like the best plan. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, everything's like, that's just the end of a night out. So the car is a white dodge polara with out of state New York plates, so it's got dark blue plates with gold letters, and it has a unique kind of butterfly shape to the like aluminum housing on the tail lights. So it's a unique car to degree. They're driving around. So now John is going to be taking people to drop them off, John when he's retailing time. He's like, I don't know what time it was. I just know it's last call. And that's kind of win last. Call is thirty to forty five. So that same. That's now, June seventeenth nineteen sixty six to thirty AM. So now our into the next day to African American men entered the Lafayette bar and grill at east teeth street. Lafayette street and Paterson New Jersey's same town is. I think it's a mild on the roads, not far and they begin shooting they should the bartender James, Oliver a customer, Fred Nayak's his last name. They're killed immediately. They severely wounded customer Hazel tennis. She lived for like a month, but ended up dying. She had been shot in the throat stomach intestine spleen. So there was a handgun Anna shotgun involved and then a third customer, Willie Marins. He survived the attack. But he had a wound to his head that cost him. One of his is low. So there's just this massacre that happens. There's two shooters to African American men and from what I can gather. There's never a motive. Yeah. Created is just two guys come in and just robbery. Yeah. The way the police of portray it in the trial. Is it was just kind of a white hate crime? It was go in and just shoot. All these white people. So that's going on at around the same time that all of these guys are saying, we're half of our drawing. Driving them home. We're not down the road at this other. We're everyone saw us at this other bar. We're leaving that other bar so about ten minutes later about a mile from Lafayette barn, grow Rubin, and his companions. Get pulled over by the police. So the police come up to the car and because there's two guys in the front seat rooms lying in the backseat. Tony think there's two guys in the car. So the police pull them over and then the police look in the back, and he goes, oh, hey, champion and see, they're like, they recognize Rueben is kind of a staple on scene. Ruben goes hey, what's going on, like, why are we being stopped, and he goes out? This is a quote from the police officer. We're looking for to negroes. Okay. And even goes K, what happened like what's up? You know, have a good evening. It's not. You guys get outta here. And then they go on the drop off Royster and now it's just Jon Rubin in the car, and it's about three AM now. They get pulled over again. No. And very different from the first. So now the way the John tells it the there's a bunch of cop cars, and they go in there yelling at them. So then, like, have them exit the car yet to go. Hey, follow what like that cop car, follow that cop car, and then the other cop cars have shotgun out the window at them handguns out the window. They have guns pulled on them and are telling them drive to follow where this cop is. So he drives them to spot, the get to what they now know is the back entrance to the Lafayette barn. Grill pullover to get out of the car. They're put up against the wall. And now they're watching them carry bodies out of the barn girl. Yeah. Yeah. A Patty wagon pulls up. They put him in the back of the paddy wagon and go you're going to the hospital. We've got witnesses and they're going to point you out. Oh my God. So they take them to the hospital, and that's where they have. I think it's the dude of Marins so he's laying gurney he can't speak. He's lost in like he's been shot in the head. They bring him over and they were asking him like, hey, are these guys that didn't gun Marins shakes his head? No. Okay. So then they go. He can't see very well. Bring them closer. Then they bring the guys closer there. Right up on and they go are these guys that shot you Merrin shakes his head. No. And they all right. Taking the station. No, no. So then they take them to the station and they have a seventeen hour interrogation. Of course, they do so during the questioning of the witnesses, so Marins the dude, and Tana's, they tell police that the shooters are two black males. But neither of them ever identified Rubin Carter or John artists. They both were like not those guys because. They went there. Ruben Ruben likes to point out. He's like, I was wearing incredibly recognizable outfit. Not only was it bright, white, or if I was involved in this huge massacre, I would have been covered in blood, but you would like recognize me. And I was wearing that outfit all night. Yeah. And. I'm he's like I got a shiny bald head. I got a big OT like I'm famous. Yeah. People would know if it was me. Yeah. So he keeps kinda like blaming on. And for a lot of the time, they're like, this'll get cleared up. This'll get cleared up. It wasn't us. So it's not a big deal. Yeah. Then. In addition to the, the victims who survived, there's another witness, so her name is Patricia Patty Valentine, so she lived above the lofty at bar and grill. So she, here's all the mayhem looks out the window. She sees two black men run into a white car and peel off, like car. It's a white car with dark license plates with gold lettering, which is not common in New Jersey so out of state plate. Yeah. She goes. That's what the plates looked like it had kinda crazy. Butterfly looking. So she kinda describes his car. No. Which looks bad. Yeah. Is he has a white car with the butterfly his white car, like he has white car? He's got New York plates, and he has a unique set up to his hillocks. Yeah. So then there's this other I witness a whole engine to guy named Alfred Bello incre. He's a witness because he was in the neighborhood burglarizing factory. So he's like, yeah, I was the lookout my buddy was in Robin, this place. I decided to go into the Lafayette bar girl to get a drink. I guess I'm not a good lookout his stories, kind of crazy a-. So he says he goes to he's walking towards Lafayette bar and grill and history changes. He says, as he's coming up to block guys come out that they have a shotgun and a handgun and they pointed out that there's a little bit of like a confrontation. He then says he runs away from them and that they chased him. And he got away. He hit an alley will then, like, John John artists who's not the boxer. He was the driver. John's like I was like all state in track my event was literally the distance. He said that he got it like his story is complete garbage like even if that was me, there's no way you would have out run me. Yeah. Like that got he's just a liar. Nothing about his story makes any sense, unless it's somebody else who he could get away from so he has. The story about how he ran into these guys ran away. Then eventually the the police. He's a liar. He's a thief, and they're just kind of wearing him down, and eventually history gets to okay. I got there, I saw the two guys come out and peel off in the car. And then I went in and robbed I stepped over dead bodies and I- robbed the till the sixty dollars cash God. So he's a real piece of work. Ven? So at first, there's like they have a grand jury. So they've arrested, they've, they've interviewed them for seventeen hours, they, they want them for the murder, they take them to grand jury. And one of the cops is like I don't really think we have like one of the cops at that time, like I don't really think they did it like turned everything over the DA. He later changes, his tune, like I thought, we had enough and Bob LA, but it gets dismissed from grand jury four months go by after the murder the day before I think John's birthday he was gonna turn nineteen or something, all the sudden there is there's a, a ten thousand dollars reward issued from somebody, and then, like two thousand or two thousand five hundred dollar reward from the bartenders union of like information about this crime. Yeah. So then all the sudden bellow comes forward got it. And he's like, yeah. I said it was. Guys. I think it's Rubin hurricane, and I think it's this other guy, where's my money at, then his buddy, who he was robbing the other place with suddenly that guy has seen everything to snout, have these two? I witnesses who are in the neighborhood who are like it was them. This is what the car looked like weird. You know they're liars like, all right? So it's accepted not alive and their story about the headline about the tail it's kind of changes a bit. Firstly say they light up like a butterfly, then they're like, no it's just shape. So it's almost like they're getting fed information learning things after the fact and changing a little bit. So there's some debate about the car, and I witnesses, and like some of it looks bad, and like that could be someone who saw very unique car peel out of just that area. So then they arrest them take them to a trial. Now we've got in there, I think, on trial together. So the reason that the car got stopped the second time was because that night when bell. Was like, oh, I saw a white like. Ooh, we just pulled over earlier tonight, dudes in a white car with interesting tail lights without a state plates. Why they pulled over the second time was based off the eyewitness. Testimony from the first one and the other thing I didn't mentioned earlier, hurricane loves guns has a ton of guns. He super into them. He's all the fact that I didn't have a gun in the car that night is strange. Got it. I should have had a car in the gun. And I just I shoulda got an car. Yeah. He's like I always had a gun in the car, and they don't find one any when they pull them over. So there's some debate about what they find in the car because the car gets impounded, and stuff that they find the car doesn't get logged for like five days, and they found a shell shotgun shell, but it was a different kind of shotgun shell them. What was found at the murder and he's a love shotguns, and they found a another casing to something. He's up go like that's part of my regimen. When I go, and I train for fights like shooting part of. Of that. So he has explanations for stuff. But it's also like. He got, you know, where are your guns him also saying, like I don't know where my guns are. So the idea is that he left the nightspot with John that they went and they committed this crime. They dumped their clothes, then they went back and picked up waster. That's the time line that the please previous things in their past. And there's no reason reason and then hurricanes like before all that heels like everyone knows when I was at the bar I'm at the bar all night. I left with two girls. I took them home. I drop them off. They can say he took us home and dropped us off. But then he wanted to go back. He wanted to get more money these gambling, and that was when he came back and got. So he's either unaccounted for alone, which doesn't match the story of two shooters, going to the spy or he's with the three guys because then after they've dropped off Royster now there's the two. So the time line of who is with. And when also doesn't really jibe with the story. Yeah. So he's found he and John are found guilty. And there's I again like it's worth listening to this podcast because there's so many more details than what I'm giving, but their stuff about, like they did a, a big search to two hundred potential. Jurors bring it down. There was it was weird. There's like fourteen people on the jury that here, the whole trials like alternates, I guess slightly. I don't think they do it this way anymore because they have a bigger jury than who's going to be the true. Jury that here's everything and then when it's time to go deliberate. That's when you decide who the alternates are. And so they're like, all right. So now everyone's name gets thrown a piece of paper and thrown into a hat. And then we'll pull out the two people that aren't a part of jury on everything. Everyone here's everything, and that's how it like right now, you have alternate jurors in case someone has to get dismissed for whatever reason, but you always know, the whole trial that you're the alternate unit might not come to you whereas back then. Or in that state, it's everybody's listening. You don't know if you're going to be part of the jury. So what John was saying. He's like, do I didn't make a big enough of a ruckus at the time. But when they pulled the name out, he goes, I saw the one black guys name. His piece of paper was crumpled. They intentionally had us with an all white jury, and, you know, blah, blah, blah. So they go to prison and there's a bunch. There's like appeals and stuff. It goes through bunch of other like in nineteen seventy five seventy four hurricane hires. Like a PR person, essentially, and he's like, hey, let's get some publicity around this. And that's when Muhammad Ali gets involved, and he starts highlighting the story and talking about it, there's a really great. Bob Dylan song, which is super catch like when we're done here. I'll play it just tells the night of the murder, like he goes through all the details of it, and that kids like huge notoriety when Mohammed Ali was on the tonight show with Johnny Carson. He was like, hey, hurricanes in jail, like there's all sorts of publicity around it. And it does it starts to pick up seem, and I feel like he gets pardoned by some, but, like he ends up being freed and John Artis ends up being freed after twenty years in jail and hurricane moves up to Canada. He still has having trouble with, like he's beating women. He like they're still like, oh, things that are kind of he's not a great do. Yeah. And yet, I think he passed away a couple years ago in, like two thousand two magic prison helped in any way to know. Like in one part of the podcast, they're talking about how they're driving around with John, and he seems like this really just jovial dude. And he's just like listening to his favorite sign. He's like drumming on the stereo and they're like, and it's kind of like he's missing a ton of fingers because he got some auto immune. Oh, thing in prison that like cost him finger like it. Ravaged both their lives with in a state where they give kind of compensation for time spent 'cause I found guilty. I think they serve time. Nobody both had. So that was the other thing they were both sure once if it's a federal crime like that. And if it's first degree murder, when the jury comes back, it's the only time the jury like in that moment, you're also gonna know what your sentences got because normally you're found guilty. And then you come back for sentencing, but in a capital murder crime like that. That's I agree. The jury comes and they go you're found guilty. And then, like the second breath is we either recommend mercy or we don't, and if they don't recommend mercy. It's the death penalty, and if they recommend mercy, it's life in prison, and so they came back and said, we recommend mercy, which was not expected if see was the thing that they got. And later, there are some people who interview jurors and it was the female jurors who said, oh, and they deliberated for like five hours wasn't a long deliberation. And they were like, oh the moment, we hit jury chambers. Everyone was guilty cool. We all know guilty. Let's talk about that, and they argued about whether they were gonna. Like kill them. Live. And it took five hours for them to like sway, the gym that, I what's land on life in prison. Yeah. Wow. Yes. So I don't I couldn't find as if it was a true pardon. If like I don't think it was a presidential pardon, or like do you how we go? I don't know. I haven't felt like I'm curious to see 'cause I think in future episodes that are coming up. They offer some other theory because it's it looks bad that there's that they're out the car close the car matches now. Is it that people are inventing seeing them get, like, maybe you saw that car drive down that street? But we know that that's not great. And like I, I definitely don't take the robbers who wanted the word money like the one person who sticks out to me is the lady who lived above, but she just saw two black jump into college. She didn't really see that she'd see gold lettering, on a licensed in the middle of the night like that, like, you would sit like think of a California plate how it's like a white background with red letters, and you would know like in Oregon's going to be white with. Like you knew it's not a normal. Yeah, yours. The state you live in place. She didn't say it's a New York plate. She said, it's not it's an out of state license plates, not our allies in look kinda like this. But the fact that the people who were shot by people were like it wasn't those guys. And the way that one of the, the way the perpetrator who they're saying was Reuben. They're like he was tall. He was like six one he had a pencil thin mustache like they're describing someone who's not him at all. And they have is he's five eight. Yeah. Super Bill has a huge not a bald head and the guy at the hospital. He's like, no, that's not that's not look at them again. No one of the detectives in one of the tapes is talking about. He goes, what never came up is the that witness he does. He. There's a lot of like victim sympathy when he came into the like, because he couldn't walk, and he's got this huge wound and his like that he's not making any set. And like that's what that guy was like before he was shot. Yeah. He was a mess. He couldn't walk, and he made no sense. And everyone's thinking this is because he got shot in the brain. Heels put that is this is what that dude was like. Yeah. And what about the guy in the back of the car that they dropped off, like his off on everything because one it didn't match the story. We know that they were like he was so drunk, there's no way he had anything to do with anything. No, I know. But, like, doesn't he give timeline to, like, okay? We have this guy. He was about witness like they brought him up there like he can't these remember either is a drunk or they portrayed him as drawn good would've. Remember the back? The obviously recognized him the I take the stand. So there's a major motion picture to watch denzel's, and he got a not an Academy Award nomination for it. So it should be a good movie. Any this podcast is really good was the podcast naming gas is called the hurricane tapes. Nice. And I think there's like thirteen episodes like five, and maybe that was really good. Yeah. Great tie could hurricane Chia's to all right, guys. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll see in the second page are he we are back from the break, and what a break it was he was. Like a good break. Those impressed with our break. We sobered up a little bit. Yeah. Snacks. We got water. We talked about game of thrones. It was fantastic. Better people definitely. All right. I'm gonna tell you a murder story. Well, he didn't mudo. So I kind of mentioned this in the beginning of the episode, but this was recommended by a listener her Instagram handle is Ray of sunshine. And she was like this is an ongoing story in Florida right now. Like I'm intrigued. Okay. So thank you for Ray of sunshine. I got a lot of my information from the Tampa Bay times as actually all this is from them. They have to Florida story. They have a huge like continuous ongoing story with what's going on. We can thank Josh Solomon lane degree, who does Arkell called the long fall. That's very detail in Zachary t- Samson. So the guys for all your your sources investigation. Yeah. Usually minor coming from like a bunch of different articles. But this one was find some. They're just too good. So good. Okay. So I'm gonna tell you about John nNcholas. John, Chuck junior hole. Alan Kay, John nNcholas. John, Chuck junior as a name would check what it would to Chuck would. Okay. So John is born on November eleventh, nineteen eighty nine in Tampa. Florida eighty nine. And I'm just going to get this out of the way now because I'm going to forget we picked this murder case with this cocktail 'cause Ray of sunshine was like, here's your murder. This is the cocktail, you need to use because hurricanes Florida, Florida hurricane. Yes. So there is the poor state of Florida hit by hurricanes basis. But also, it is the mascot to one of their colleges. So there you know. Yeah, good to know. Okay, so John's father, John. John, Chuck senior is a construction worker who has a drinking problem, and he arrested multiple times for beating John's mom, and he loses his license after too many DUI's. So he moves away when John is three years old. So he knows that at all earliest we're going to circle back. Yeah. Okay. So he's John is L living with his mother and he is five years old. It's like Tampa. Like, are we water, Florida? Or we. Panhandle florida. I'm gonna say somewhere near the water k- k so John mother leaves him when he's five years old, because she is a dicta- to cook eighteen so John's living with his mother and everything's going, all right? Until it turns around five years old and his mother kind of 'cause she's addicted to cocaine, and she's like in and out of jail. So he goes to live with his uncle Brian Morris. John is acting out at this point. He's five K. Yeah. He has a tach misuse, his there is moms there and he's just a huge handful. So when his birth father comes back into the picture demanding to raise John himself, they let John senior take him away. Can John gets thrown out of a dozen preschools? I was going to get my head. I'm like he's preschool age kindergarten age, two degrees. He is getting thrown out of all these handle it. Oh, goes both ways because they obviously need it so badly. But you can't have a kid who is so difficult and his acting out where it's destroying the experience of the other children in the school, eight oh, it's so hard. It's so sad. What kid in preschool? So when he's five his family starts taking him to see a doctor 'cause they're like, obviously, something's wrong Audie this. So he's prescribed drugs to stabilize his moods. When he's twelve years old, he threatened his dad with a butcher knife, and he's arrested for the first time. So his dad was scared of the twelve year old that he was really going to do something. Yeah. And involve the police. So John says it's self defense in this. Yeah. So we're going to go back a little back in middle school. John is loud, and he's popular. He puts on public shows in the cafeteria, but often has bruises and black is he tells his friends, his dad, Tim any talks about how much he hates his father, k child protective officers investigate John's dad four times, but they never arrest him. I wonder whether findings are yeah, I didn't get to the movie and kit from home is like a very last step. You have truly feel like they're endangered. But like physically hurting that was interesting in, in doing in for me, but obviously, he gets he's Bill to get at the gate and they're like, okay. In eighth grade. John tells everyone he's gay can the next year he drops out of school when he is seventeen he climbed on the roof of his dad's duplex and he flipped his arm with a knife. So his family decides to commit him for the first time. Okay. So he's, he's crying out he's. Yeah. No at its some of these points. So when he's released from the percent, he's committed he goes and lives with his uncles. And he gets really angry with them that they're telling him to like the rules yet. Yep. You know, they're structured. They're like crave structure, but they'll find it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's like your veggies. You don't want each veggies, but you gotta eat them need them any him and his uncle's getting argument in, so in retaliation, he puts wax all over the stairs. And he watches. Title down the stairs in. He the ankle break three ribs in John just laughing the entire time. Oh, yeah. So things are escalating. Oh, that's bad. So John has prescriptions but isn't always able to afford to refill them or doesn't want to can't forget or you know, when John doesn't have insurance he stops going to treatment altogether. It's hard. We've talked about when you go off meds like going on and off. Meds is not. Yeah. To a long time to find the right amount on each dosage into level out on yourself. So to fluctuate between on and off. Yeah it's not good. So in top of not taking his prescriptions regularly he starts to Beuys alcohol and drugs, which is self medicating. So every few hours John hasa get high. Hi how so his favorite buzz is from synthetic marijuana. Call WTN which is spice from the gas station. It's about twenty bucks. Oh, like a weird gestation who buys that stuff, John k, okay? So he also starts doing meth to the point that his fingertips are charred from holding the glass pipe. Yeah, he's doing math. So one day, John is high on meth and his friend introduces him to this gorgeous woman named Michelle care. She is twenty three years old in John is eighteen at the time. So she's an older woman. She has a son and daughter at this point. So Johnny Michelle starting out more and more. And they start dating and John rules at Hillsborough community college with Michelle. So he's on a bit of a swing. Yes. Yes. But now here's the downswing K in a jealous rage. He slashes tires and Michelle starts to describe, John as Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde. He axes sober probably like responsible being lovey, you know with that, you know, mood stabiliser your manic and the art, you know. Yeah. So you're going back and forth. So when the times we're good. John would ask Michelle de Mary him. The actually asked her to marry him on four separate occasions. But while this is going on. John is also arrested multiple times, and charged with domestic violence against his mother, and Michelle. From his teenage years until now. John is committed twenty seven times under the Baker act. It's the Baker act, which is used when you are deemed, a danger to yourself or others. So it's like a fifty one fifty. Okay. So all this aside, John Michelle moving together, and she becomes pregnant with the baby girl. Michelle Michelle, the baby girl is born on or inactive an August of two thousand nine in they name her Phoebe after John's Chihuahua. In the relationship continues to be rocky and the are both are doing drugs at this point in their constantly fighting. Michelle is diagnosed with MS soon after Phoebe is born in becomes Anabel to drive and work. And so she starts collecting disability MS can be bad. It depends on how you like how symptomatic you are. So she's collecting disability, so they need some income to John trays working in telemarketing insurance. But mostly, he just lives off Michelle's disability check. That's not for you. John. But he also has his money schemes. I am. Sure he does. What are his money scale K? So they include taking people's social security numbers in credit cards in using a machine to print for checks. Okay. He also fakes a fall at the cheesecake factory fix Foale huff than the chain for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Okay. And then he's telling everybody, I'm never going to have to work again. Once I still, you can't retire on that there's no way, no things cost money. So eventually, Michelle John break-up in John says he will take care of Phoebe, because she's the kitty because Michelle can't go to work, and so he's like I can work I can take care of her. I can drive. This is a mess. Yeah. Oh, I just remember just gonna end in murder. Yeah. Oh, until the give you a little bit more backstory. So like Johns, mom and dad, you of heard from the beginning in the winds will was Michelle's family. Nobody's really, you know, everyone's in the wind. But when John has Phoebe John's mom, all of a sudden, like I wanna be a grandma. I'm going to leave him when she was when he was five. She is. Yeah. So she goes to rehab, like I'm gonna be momma clean now. Yes, granddaughter. Yes. And so that makes John very jealous like you weren't a mother to me. You don't know how to parent. That's so hard. Yeah. So this point Phoebe is five years old, and she has long Honey colored hair, and she loves Blue's clues. She loves books about dogs in Cheerios, and she absolutely loves her father. So overall fee appears to be a happy little girl has she's almost non at five years old. And it takes her. She going to school. Yes. So it takes her. So she's going to daycare, preschool like she's around other. Yeah. She's nonverbal and it takes her long an hour and a half every day. Like there's a little chair by the front door, where after she has a meltdown when her daily she's there. Yeah. Yeah. And she is also absolutely terror terrified of water, and so like her, her family, she is, is into her family, and friends have taken into the pool like it's hot. They want, you know, it's Florida and try to teach you how to like Lynn fully, she's like knocking in the water. She is so a water that she's not taking baths. She's not getting in water. Yeah, so Phoebe life isn't the most stable, John starts bouncing them between fan, friends houses and his dad's Dupleix because he doesn't have a play. Yeah. And his uncle's home and his mom's apartment, he files injunctions against Michelle trying to keep her from seeing Phoebe all the meantime, Phoebe voices that she loves her dad loves her, dad loves her. But he's afraid that Michelle wants to take her back and that does not in place for that to relieve. Okay in so John becomes increasingly worried that Michelle or his mother are going to try to take Phoebe from him. And I also read. So he's trying to keep away from Michelle and the one point. She's like please can I see her for? I think it was thanksgiving. And so they went to a restaurant altogether. But the Michelle brings guy she's dating. And so that kinda just in like PB's like taken by this new character in the mix and John's just super jealous. Yeah. So on Jan. Now, I'm going to kind of break down a timeline. Okay. Generate on January, first to them fifteen during the first week of January, John tech six people asking them to forgive him out of nowhere, you get a text from John San. Please forgive me. Okay. No one responds. No one responds to kinda rooting for the six people. It's just in France, trying to reach out and no one's responding to him. He also becomes obsessed with his step mom's Swedish bible, any spread salt around the doorways to keep out evil spirit. So John takes Phoebe to visit his lawyer Genevieve Torres insisting the Genevieve read a Swedish bible to him since he is the crater slash God. It's this lawyer say and the kid is there, right after he leaves she calls, G CF getting that John is delusional and has a child with him in which I'm sure she's a mandatory reporter. Yes, yes. In the meantime, John goes to his step mom's house in his step. Mom, also is there with Phoebe so in DC of comes investigate. They're like, we don't really have to investigate further. There's other people with John and Phoebe. They don't ask like where do you live all the time? They might have. I don't have the information and they're also stretched super thin the. That's awesome. So broken because it's just throttled just doesn't have the resources gang in. Yeah. So later John takes Phoebe to three churches Bing priests for an exorcist him when he comes out of one priest office Hillsborough county sheriff's deputies deputies are waiting, but the pre says, John is in danger to himself or anyone else. So the vouchers for them, so they let steps people trying k so they let him go that night. He and Phoebe dinner with his parents and his mom and fall asleep on, on the couch about ten pm his, his dad and step. Mom hear the front door open about what time ten pm. So John in the meantime is putting Phoebe in the back of his PT cruiser in all. She's wearing all she's wearing shorts and green cat. T-shirt K on Wardha tot. Yeah. January eighth of two thousand fifteen so. We're going into two were in January. Seventh we're going into going into the next day around midnight. A police officer named William Vickers sees John going about ninety miles per hour toward the sunshine. Skyway bridge, and pulls behind him and starts flashing, his lights John stops and gets out of the car, and officer Vickers tells him to get back in the car into let me see your hands. They don't want to get out, John, then walks between the cars shouts out the officer, you have no free will. Okay. John, then opens the back door of his car and picks up, Phoebe encourage her to the end of the bridge railing, which is six stories above the water. John, then drops Phoebe into Tampa Bay. And they're, they're not in the middle of the bridge. So there is that into water is that into like where the water meets the land into water six stories is really high and Phoebe doesn't know how to swim. She's deathly traded water. Five in the middle the night. So John, then leads police on a high-speed chase across the bridge in eventually rested in charge with murder assault fleeing eluding police officers, the drop her there immediately trying to get her. Yeah, I think I think there's one officer there author guard is. So officers hold him more like why she so afraid of water we ever get to know that. And. I just felt like I need to include it 'cause she's dropped into the ladder officers hold him for a mental evaluation. So we're going to go into the trial, so prosecute prosecutors say, John killed his daughter out of spite trying to keep her from her mother and grandmother, they contend you had time to think about the crime and should be convicted of first degree. Premeditated murder public defenders argue that there's no way to know why John killed his five year old they say he was driven by delusions and the jurors can't try to apply reason to irrational act John, they contend should not be found guilty by reason of insanity which that plea doesn't like when you look at the stats. Guilty by reason of sanity really gets. It's so over go for it but you don't get it very often. Yeah. So during the trial, John is muttering himself, and he's saying he's seeing hallucinations and people are like is faking it is it real? And, like, obviously, there's some bias, but like the family members and people who knew John or like he has always been evil like his uncle who raised him. Yeah. Was just like he was pure evil from the beginning like heave. We us like off. Yeah. Yeah. So during the trial, John again, muttering himself and seeing hallucinations. However his rantings don't sway the jury, which after six and a half hours of deliberation. Ultimately decide that John who's now twenty nine new killing Phoebe was wrong. So prosecutors say he was acting out of this. Is that the distinguishing factor, you knew it was wrong? Yes. So prosecutors say he's he killed out of engines, killing Phoebe. So her mother. Could never get custody of her. And because he was bitter that his own mother loved the little girl with the fiction, she never showed him, valid, the jibe with the story to. And like you said those articles, I mentioned the beginning read through those detailed notes amazing investigative work. So an April sixteenth of two thousand nineteen rue recent. So this year. Yeah couple couple of weeks ago. John is guilty of first degree. Murder found. Yeah, found guilty it. The hammer came down. To hang. Yeah. A little like aside that I thought was interesting. Police never drug tested John on the night. He dropped PB off the bridge. Really? But they arrested him. They part of normal booking. They held him for mental evaluations. And he also being. Yeah. So they didn't. So they did know they've no idea what he was on that night. Yeah. And was he just on his brain or was he on other stuff? And does it matter? No. Yeah. And he he's found guilty. He is it's first degree murder like yeah. The sad. And that, that is like a essentially Ray of sunshine was just telling me how that such a prominent case in the news right now on the everyone's talking about it. So. It's tragic. So it took place, the incident of that took place, like four years prior. Yeah. So she's been in the that's you know, I was in. High school. I think when all the lacy Peterson Scott Peterson stuff was got like and just watching all that, like there is certain stories that kinda like hit your hometown, and it's just all over anytime is a little thing about it. Not only does it make national news for certain stuff within like your local news is obsessed with it for every little thing that comes out, if you guys want more information, Tampa Bay like a saying the Tampa Bay times has such amazing articles about this local papers man. Yeah. So, yeah, that was the hurricane those were murders. Jackie are you listening reading watching? I'm in the middle of these tapes podcast. Oh yeah, love it. Highly recommended. Good well-done. Yeah. There was a, oh, I wanna read, Harry Potter's. Yes. So I think that's my extra reading thing. Marite some Harry Potter's needed to get a jump on you before. Eight limb to you because now I want to know it's a racist. I want to win. All right. Start the first one when you finish it handed to me, always be one but behind. My mom used to take me to like the Harry Potter released parties for the STAN. I thought it was midnight. It's probably at ten o'clock, but it was like, also was it borders orders orders were big into Harry Potter in lake you'd like dress up and my mom and yeah. Chewed, preorder the book. So when we got there, we had a book for sure I love that, that and the news, like, okay, go to sleep. We wink, and like say of reading it, and she knew I was and. Okay. I love it. Ma'am, ma'am. Yeah. You guys listening in kitchen next week. Bye. Thanks for tuning into this week's episode of killer cocktails, as always on her talent was Jackie Andrea. Be sure to check out her Instagram at cocktails podcast or stuff. Our website, killer cocktails podcast dot com for up to date information photos, contests, more our logos created by Michelle firm, whose amazing art founded Michelle from designs com, our music was created by height, and we'll be back next week on hashtag murder Mondays. That's not a hurricane. So a, a Bahama knees. Bahamas a hurricane behind. Manian bahamian. A hurricane from the Bahamas.

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The Genesee River Killer - Part One

Monster Presents: Insomniac

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

The Genesee River Killer - Part One

"Today's episode is brought to you by the i heart radio music festival i heart radio presents the biggest and most amazing music event of the year at are i heart radio music festival be entire world of music heads to vegas to watch the biggest artist from every genre share one stage two nights performances in collaboration never seen before in the will never be seen again starting alicia keys cage the elephant amulet bail chance the rapper def leppard french montana palsy parts per billion the blowfish marshmallow marshmallow miley cyrus mumford and sons cdot keep a special guest daring chris amongst at tim mcgraw that brown band and more to be announced witness music history september twentieth and twenty first at t mobile arena in las vegas tickets at eight f dot com all the intel i heart media dot com the views and opinions expressed in this podcast or solely those of the authors and participants in a not necessarily represent those of i heard media stuff media or its employees listener discretion is advised from i heart radio and tinder foot tv monster represents insomniac if you've never heard of arthur shawcross i think you're gonna find a debate one of the most revolting character's you've heard about in a long long time his crime spent decades is punishments along the way or far too late for these atrocities did he committed an maybe the worst detail there were children involved for me the stories about kids where we should be the hardest ones to understand and they're definitely among the hardest ever forget after listening to this show i think you'll find yourself wanting to forget arthur shawcross to i wish i could get him out of my head but so far that's been possible i'm scott and everything about the tell you is real the date of january third nineteen ninety when police were searching northampton park will feed it sixteen miles east of rochester new york after missing loose clothing ninety carded when found any area just minutes into a helicopter surveillance late new york state troopers had already spotted something they saw women's body partially closed face face down on the surface of ice underneath the bridge the crossover salmon creek they didn't know it yet but they had just stumbled across the frozen mutilated body of yet another missing woman not even the one and they were initially searching for is a prostitute in june cicero age thirty four and she had been missing for more than two weeks remarkably at that very moment a car was parked in the same same rich and the driver hit his door open with his legs outside of the vehicle is difficult to the troopers to determine exactly what he's up to some high above but he appeared either be urinating on the bridge were possibly masturbation the students he noticed a helicopter man through something out on the ice and drove away at the state troopers followed his every move near colden ground units detail emitted town within minutes you've picked up taking to the nearby rockport police parents questions photographed and then released overnight authorities kept the suspect some under surveillance well detectives dug up every bit of information they could about the man they found just a few feet away from frozen body on ice what they would discover that evening in the days and months to follow would horrify every officer on the force in later in syria entire community in rochester new york we're going to take a closer look at the case of the rochester strangler or sometimes called the case of the genesee river killer but the story had the full impact you need to know this considered normal bruce serial killer experienced a cooling off period between their deadly attacks in fact that's one of the key behaviors that said serial killers apart from other types of killers spree in mass murderers claim all of their victims once all in the same day then often all in the same location one violent outbursts a serial killer follows a different pattern one that includes an active period when the homicide happens followed by an emotional cooling off period when the killer returns the his or her normal life followed by another active period and so on if the result is a body count the rises above three you have a serial killer underhand typically that cooling off period as a matter of days weeks or sometimes months but in the story i'm gonna share with you today killer deviates news norms and takes it unusually long cooling off period between the first and second series of victims sixteen years in fact he also completely changes the target target of his crimes between the second and third victims very rare for a serial killer changes method of operation but he does and you'll find out why start in early nineteen seventy two in a small upstate new york city of watertown wearing unspeakable tragedy was about the strike the community it was the spring of nineteen seventy two and arthur john chuck ross is twenty six with an employee with the watertown and public works department you're just married his third wife any in late april chuck ross had only recently been released some state prison after serving time for burglary and arson it set fire to paper mill in april of nineteen sixty nine and then to the cheese company that he worked for in september at the same year will serving his prison sentence shawcross it's about just a few months if you advocate correctional facility before being transferred to our prisons in the summer of nineteen seventy later that same year on november fourth nineteen seventy inmate riot broke out in over thirty guards receives the hostages near mates had control of nearly be tighter prison the riot only lasted one day but it took a combined total of six hundred state troopers additional prison guards and sheriff's deputies three in control of the situation down news revealed the inmate arthur shawcross save the life of a prison officials during the right this is granted early pearl and was released after syringes twenty two months of a five year sentence so in october of nineteen seventy one arthur shawcross with the freemen any returned to his daily life in watertown new york parole board known what what's about to happen in that small german city over the next year they never would have let him out early states aesthetic brought to you by the i heart radio music festival you've heard about it every september we invite my group the biggest artists in the world to vegas to play one stage over to night not just a concert it's a once in a lifetime gathering the most talented superstars on the planet illiteracy this group of artists play together anywhere ever again in every year the artist joined together surprise collaboration is onstage previously mary j blige famous prints lady gaga and sting justin timberlake and shawn mendez and paint in gwen stafani and this year's lineup is iconic starting alicia keys cage the elephant camila cabello chance the rapper def leppard french montana palsy parts per billion the blowfish marshmallow miley cyrus mumford and sons steed yoki special guests daring chris amongst at tim mcgraw zac brown band and more to be announced witness music history september twentieth and twenty first at t mobile arena in las vegas tickets at eight m s dot com and all the info at i heart radio dot com shawcross enjoyed fishing and do this hobby he spent a lot of his free time in around surrounding creeks and rivers mainly the black river the waterway the runs right through the middle of town as a result you often shared the river banks with the children of watertown one young boy jack owen blake aged ten became one of our favorite fishing buddies on may seventh nineteen seventy two just seven months after shawcross was released from prison jack lakewood missing boys body wasn't initially found which should immediately felt one arthur shawcross arthur and jack lumberjacks younger brother the beneficial together just days before he disappeared shawcross repeatedly denied any knowledge of boy disappearance it's just there is no evidence against it including nobody you remained a free man a month later on september second like you seventy two in what the search first reject but still it happened again another child went missing in watertown lots of his tells variety of lies on a daily basis moster small but occasionally a few whoppers to we intentionally make false statements to others tiki social interactions protects someone's feelings with a small white lie were used allied just simply avoid they unpleasant consequences telling the truth pathological lying on the other hand is when the behavior becomes compulsive or habitual it's when a personalized and lies consistently per absolutely no personal gain other than maybe to bolster their own character regardless of how unfounded those claims maybe pathological liars typically tried presented themselves and a favorable light whereas the hero not the bad guy the story pathological line was one of many issues arthur dealt with throughout his life in prison he's self reported sexual abuse between between himself at a young age in his mother his aunt his sister in a couple of his cousins later he would claim as an adolescent he had sex with a variety of barnyard animals to each he accused family members has denied all of arthur sexual abuse allegations and now one instance was ever proven to be true what we do know this past is somewhat troubling arthur was a bed wetter until the age of nine and his mother repeatedly shamed infer that we also know he was sexually excited by light fires and then you like the torture and kill small animals including fish cats squirrels and birds that's all three points at the mcdonalds try it instead of three factors that suggests future violent tendencies and cereal fences from an individual it's three or any combination of two are present together bed wedding fire setting in cruelty to animals again arthur exhibited all three traits he also had at least three known closed head brain injuries between the ages of sixteen and twenty two at the age of sixteen he was hit in the head with the discuss in spent several hours unconscious at age eighteen you struck in the head with a sledgehammer again unconscious for several hours end at age twenty two while he was in their army he felt a forty foot ladder striking his head and bring him unconscious once again for several hours years later memorize scanner arthur's brain which showed he had developed assistant one temporal lobe in residual still scarring on both frontal lobes from the discus and sledgehammer incidents he dropped out of school after a second failed attempt at ninth grade events louis drafted in the army at age nineteen during the vietnam war arthur also bragged about his tour of duty and it's battlefield heroes in vietnam greatly exaggerated narrowly played and even many several grotesque wartime atrocities he bragged about solo a jungle missions where he killed women and young girls torturing them raping them cutting their heads often nailing the the trees were sticking the post and then cannibalize in parts of their bodies there's no proof any of this ever happened he claimed to be an expert sniper during the war and then you could fashion a rifle silence her out of her rubber nipple from a baby's bottom he also claimed battlefield kill account of thirty nine enemy soldiers soldiers yet according arthur's commanding officers the truth is arthur was supply clerk never saw combat in years the follow back at home in upstate state new york arthur would eventually mutilate several of his victims and will occasionally there were body parts missing it was impossible to prove they ever consumed any of the missing parts including jack blake's harden genitals and much later the vagina is up three of his female victims the date september second nineteen seventy two just four months after the disappearance of jack blake and there was another child missing in watertown this time it was karen anthill h h with visiting with their mother for the labor day weekend the water temp police were now searching for two missing children they found karen hill first her lifeless body was discovered under a bridge she had been raped mutilated and strangled mud leaves and other debris have been forced down her throat insider clothing once again arthur shawcross now age twenty twenty seven wasn't immediate suspect a police investigation revealed that he and karen hill had been seen together on the day of her disappearance neighbors reported the arthur seen eating ice cream the bridge right near where the body was discovered arthur again denied any involvement in the disappearance of the child but after a full day of police interrogation you finally cracked what's his defense attorney present chuck ross decided that he had had enough and ask police what would happen to me if i told you something in the hours it followed he admitted to killing karen hill but he also let them know that he had additional information to share it leads them to the body the still missing blake boy if they were willing to make a deal chuck ross told him exactly what they want us to know for months earlier it was he who would lure ten year old jack blake into the woods stripped him naked sexually assaulted and strangled in the death as part of a plea bargain in exchange for showing the police where the body of jack blake it'd be found yet ortiz lessen the charge against shock rosta manslaughter for the rape and murder of caring hill and all of the charges were dropped entirely you would not be charged in rape or murder of jack blake for his crimes arthur shawcross listens to this twentyfive years in prison what the possibility of early pearl in weld it already seems like a light sentence for murder in two children it gets even worse despite the warnings of prison psychiatrist after less than fifteen years behind bars social workers in prison staff members incorrectly determined the chuck ross was no longer dangerous and granted him early parole in april of nineteen eighty seven why did the prison psychiatrist device against his release well one reason was a shock roasted revealed but he'd return several times to the site where he dumped jeff flakes body have sex with the courts you also confessed to removing the boys heart genitals in eating these early release from prison where even the fact that he was being released at all with a mistake they would only be amplified over the next three years you probably know that marie antoinette never so let them eat cake but here's something she did say she has led to the guillotine marie antoinette accidentally stepped on her executioners by her final words were i'm sorry i didn't mean to do it i'm danish wards and i'm the host noble blood a new podcast from i heart radio and aaron make each episode focuses on the single story from the life of history's most fascinating from marie antoinette during the final days the bears lost see might have very appeared in australian from the world is full of illfated love affairs bad decisions and family drama from monitor personal determined fate of nation and when you're wearing the crown this thing and then listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts my nightmares yeah i'm still having i had another pretty disturbing dream this weekend the last one was just a few days ago around three am 'em another really really violent dream of being chased laying face down yelling in violently kicking the mattress is hard and fast as i could my wife was startled terrified and rightfully so it's clearly someone who serious about catching me serious there's a reason they want me in are moonlit bedroom it looked like someone who's attacking me on my someone was by the next morning they only lasting memory i had that means nightmare but someone endlessly chasing me as we raised up a very steep set stairs almost the steepest ladder you reached out to grab my ankles and that's when i turned and began kicking him in is that terrifying moment when the pursuer catches me like this is said i've got a fight otherwise i'm dead a it's it's gonna be a battle to death the scary thing about this is like i i didn't stop over and over again is hard as i couldn't i didn't stop i just kept going and going and going until the person's practically unrecognizable within arthur chasing me i dunno i can't say for sure it was him and i can't tell you there is no more sleep for me that night i guess you can kind of understand why they want a record that when my family around me or near me so i'm kind of a kick best into this even though it's something that never really happened and i gotta deal with that that's about it for now i hope he doesn't call your dreams the way he has my a common trait among captured serial killers is that even though they're locked behind bars they wanna believe they're still somehow in control of what's happening outside the prison walls arthur shawcross is no different we've established his tendency to lie about nearly all aspects his life a pattern then he continued in prison but he did so in somewhat puzzling way you tempted the manipulate all of his interviewers detectives doctors anybody listen to him by changing his story the way he answered questions would vary greatly based on who he was talking to if it was a male interviewer arthur would play up his heroic but completely fictional actions on the battlefield in vietnam if it was a female interviewer arthur go into long detailed descriptions of his middle aged killings and described them how much you enjoy dreams purchased victims and then how much he enjoyed in those parts ant if he detected a tiny bit of sympathy from his interviewer this narrative boy switched over to the legit but never proven claims of sexual abuse at the hands of his mother an aunt you would at graphic details to stories of abuse to see if he could illicit and even greater sympathetic response across the table again manipulated behavior isn't necessarily surprised infamous serial killer is always fairly easy for those arthur spoke to deceive right through is made up stories they knew he was on fire and he was never gonna change now arthur shawcross dealt with this early release and you know we chose to phyllis free time doesn't even begin to tell the story you would undergo an extraordinary physical transformation as he struggled to find a new home in unfortunately in all decrypted victims next time on insomniac mm insomniac is a production of i heart radio in tender foot tv written in hosted by scott benjamin and produced by miranda hawkins alex williams is not frederick and josh theme music composed by makeup and vanity said uncovered by trevor isler bowen twitter and facebook at insomnia pod on instagram at insomniac podcast and other website insomniac podcasts 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Outrageous Fortune (1987)

Around the World in 80s Movies

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Outrageous Fortune (1987)

"I welcome to around the world in eighties movies. Money Vince Leo. I am the author of the Film Review Website Quits Dot Net I.. Out over four thousand. My written reviews you the anytime quick. Stir Dot net where to go. I've been doing film reviews since Nineteen ninety-six icomfort movies not just of the nineteen eighties. Pretty much every era of film you can check out all all of my written word there at that website quips dot net. While you're there even urge you to check out the link to my other podcast. It's called the film review podcast where I cover movies at our brand new theaters. VOD streaming services. You can check for the link at that. Website quips dot net today. I'm going to get into the third and final of the looks at at films of the nineteen eighties. That our buddy movies that have a C. I A tie in the first movie that I looked at was called. Spies like us both characters in the CIA. I A the second film only one of the characters in the CIA that was called real men and this third one has neither of the two main characters offers in the CIA. In fact neither of them are men which makes it actually fairly unique for the nineteen eighties. It is called outrageous. Fortune came out in nineteen nineteen eighty-seven. It's an already to film. It does have sexuality sexual violence and language. The run time is an hour. Forty one minutes. The two main stars are shelley long And bette midler or is that bed balloon shelly. Line and get into the reason why I say that in just a moment Peter Coyote Robert Prosekey John Chuck and George Carlin or in the film. Arthur Hiller is director Leslie. Dixon is the screenwriter now. Although the sub-genre of buddy films films buddy movies whatever you WANNA call them. They've been around pretty much as long as talkies have been around you know talking movies. Outrageous fortune is notable for being the first buddy comedy from Hollywood to boast two female actors as the stars. Now there are some possible exceptions that you know you might bring up. I think desperately seeking Susan certainly could qualify although I would say that. Madonna has much more of a supporting role. She doesn't share much screen. Time with the Lead Rosanna arquette in that film. Nevertheless there have been other female buddy comedies and one being big one from nineteen eighty that I will probably talk about fairly shortly. It's called ninety five. Had Three female leads. So it's a buddy comedy but it does have three this one isn't really about female empowerment like nine to five was but it's much more about female rivalries female friendships in most respects. Otherwise it pretty much follows the formula of a typical mail buddy comedy it just happens to star women. Although it does represent the comeuppance of a dishonest and later abusive male paramore who truly deserves it does does affirm female values and camaraderie and a very light hearted way especially as it draws towards its vengeful conclusion. Here shelley long playing a prissy longtime acting student named Lauren Aims Lauren has never gotten an actual gig. Despite many many years of training as an actor she finally finally does find some hope when she makes her way into this prestigious drama class. That's led by this all time. Great International Acting Coach from Russia Bette Bette Midler co-stars as Sandy Brzezinski. She's mouthy earthy waitress. Who suddenly finds herself in the same class? Although she does not have any of the same talent Jalan or even desire to really be there until actually gets there. The two ended up having a personality clash pretty much immediately and then only gets worse. Once it's discovered that they are Actually both in a relationship with these same dream boat of a man. Michael Santer was played by Peter. Coyote Santa's sometime later ends up faking in his death for reasons that the ladies have to end up putting aside their petty differences to discover and mostly. They want to do this because they want him to choose between them. There's willing to forgive him for basically leading this life. They did not know about and cheating on them on the side there. Collaborative adventure sees the two. You going on this cross country trip only to find that. There's much more to Michael that they never knew. And that's something which gets them on the run from key GBI agents. CIA The hope to come out alive in the macguffin of the film. Is this toxin. That can destroy all vegetation within miles with just a few drops on the ground now. Outrageous fortune script is written by Leslie Dixon. Her first to ever be made into a feature film. Although this is her second to actually be ridden written she wrote the screenplay to overboard which I talked about on an earlier episode came out the same year. Nineteen ninety-seven Leslie. Dixon was hired hired by the Producers Robert Court and Ted Field. They were from interscope communications. They wanted her to do revisions for another script. While she was there and Dan they liked what she was doing they subsequently offered her the chance to develop a female but he comedy idea that they've been trying to get off the ground for a few years through several all teams of male screenwriters but they were having little success. Unlike those efforts Leslie Dixon's take would end up proving successful and it was put immediately into production without very many revisions in the end up getting shot by Director Arthur Hiller almost verbatim to what she had on the page. Now that verbatim part is interesting given that the film does feature a Literal Cliffhanger ending echoes. Alfred Hitchcock's north by northwest. That's something that Arthur Hiller had done before he directed a nineteen seventy-six hit buddy comedy called silver streak that one had gene wilder and Richard. Pryor that was a buddy movie it was also a hitchcock the film in its execution. But this one I would not say it's hitchcock in per se it does have the aforementioned macguffin but there are more allusions to another great master master storyteller of course one of the greatest master storytellers of all time. William Shakespeare not only due to the fact that the film does feature actresses who are trying Out For roles you know it is about acting so shakespeare would come into play but the title of the film itself outrageous fortune is an allusion to the bards hamlet which gets directly referenced. Several Times within the film mccamley contains the most famous of all of his lines. Act Three scene one to be or not it to be that is the question whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and Arrows of outrageous fortune hence the title unlike Shakespeare's actors. There's these women are not played by men as they were back in the day but there is a scene of gender reversal where the two women ended up dressing as men into this brothel only to be for young boys. Pretend to be older trying to sneak in never reportedly shelling long ambit- Miller did have a bit of a clash of Egos while they were on the set making the film Although there are different personalities were the primary reason they were put together. It does work for the comedy that we see on the screen. If they don't get along does feel natural now. One of the clashes they had was about getting top billing for the movie. Shelley long did have most of the screen time but Bette Midler was the bigger movie star. Going into this film Ashley Long. She had signed her contract. That's contract had guaranteed her top of bill status but it ended up getting renegotiated to a shared spotlight when Bette Midler who is pretty hot. After back to back hits with down and out in Beverly Hills ruthless people. She became a viable option to co star. Along with long a compromise mayes ended up getting struck by their agents suggested that these split the billing based on the location when they did prints of the film Bette Midler as the Star would be top billing for showings east of the Mississippi while shelley long would get the nod west of the Mississippi this also held for video releases when they were going out depending on where they were being shipped out. You would get either shelly longer. Bit midler listed first on the cover they would also alternate their names for press releases used to promote the film trailers dealers posters lobby cards. They flip the names pretty much evenly in the advertisements for the film in all regards in the newspapers one day it would have bette midler on the left. The other day it would have shelley long so kind of a convoluted process. In order to please both of these actors Bette Midler had discovered that she was pregnant shortly after assigning onto outrageous fortune even considered declining the project once he discovered it because of the physical nature of the performance here although she was under a three picture contract contract with Disney and touchstone to maintain her compliance and to avoid delays the studio ended up negotiating with Midler so that she could perform very limited stumped work to try to make sure that there were no issues. She did jump into those stunts. Probably a little more than they would like to hide. The Bob the baby bump if you prefer Bette midler ended up wearing an old pair of room pants and an oversized orange sweater as part of her wardrobe throughout the film meanwhile she would suffer. A bit of a setback with the loss. Awesome her father but being the lifelong show business professional that Bette Midler is she ended up soldiering on through all of that to deliver the very light and effective comedy she would. It ended up getting a Golden Globe nomination for her performance in outrageous fortune shelley long meanwhile had left her stint on the wildly successful TV show cheers to pursue an acting career in the movies and outrageous fortune ended up being a pretty good effort in that regard to make everyone think that she could have a lot of success. Unfortunately sleet didn't quite pan out probably the way that she liked over the next subsequent films now in outrageous fortune the two would be actresses. Get more of a lesson on how to act than they would do in the acting class. They ended up having to don a variety of disguises and to take on a plethora of different personalities different accents in order to either try. Try to gain information or to make a slick getaway. The plot of the film is often nonsensical. I mean there are elements of this film for instance both ladies and hiding inside different tumbling industrial dryers at a laundromat. There's no way that they could both close those dryers to end up inside. Hi them and then push the button to have them run. So it's a film that plays mostly for laughs above all else if you try to think about what's going on in each scene probably will fall apart for you are we. Just fourteen is amusing. I do think it's often hilarious. Has Comedy it greatly benefits from two energetic and funny performances by these. He's very talented. Lead performers shelley long. I do think it's terrific. Plenty in this role. That's not terribly dissimilar to these nudie. Diane Chambers character do that. She played on cheers but she does get plenty of moments to shine on her own by taking a variety of other comic characters in the course of the story so she does get to branch out quite a a bit to show her talent bette midler meanwhile is perfectly cast as the Raunchier Brasher of the two and she does make plausible that they'd be at each other's throats from the get-go bill yet their eventual rubbing off on one another does seem very plausible way. It develops through this film. That's due to the good acting by the two leads now. Now there was some grumbling at the time about the chosen date of release January thirtieth nineteen eighty seven on January has long been considered a pretty weak month to release new films usually is considered a dumping ground by a lot of studios. The Christmas release blockbusters are still dominating the box office and then you start filling up the movie theaters with Oscar contenders because the Oscars get named a lot of those movies. Get release back into theaters. After they get nominated for the latter half January and leading up to the Oscars in February usually however touchstone pictures did have success the year before with the January thirty first release of that other Bette midler vehicle talked about earlier down and out in Beverly Hills. They were willing to roll the dice again that the audience for that film would still be the same audience in January. That would come out again during the same period and the end of generating some good word of mouth buzz. They had a soft rollout of preview screenings in about two hundred theaters across the United States. The week leaked before its official release in that got a lot of people motivated to come out. The move ended up proving successful. It would come out as the number two film in the United States box office for its first week of release actually dominated number two spot for three weeks straight. You know it did happen to come out behind. What would end up being another surprised prized juggernaut that have been dominating for many weeks platoon so it never secure that number one spot but it held number two for three weeks and remained in the top ten money orders for about ten weeks straight so outrageous fortune was a big hit and unfortunately it has not become I think the big classic film of the Nineteen Eighties? These are probably could have gotten although it does have fans. It's not a movie that I would consider you know when people are thinking of their top fifty favourite films of the nineteen eighties. It may not come up on as many lists as you would suspect despite its success and despite being generally considered a funny movie by those people who love it. Ah If you like the two stars I do think that it is definitely recommended. And if you like buddy movies and the formula. I do think it's very funny. I personally think it's hilarious. I actually had not seen it for quite a few years but I did enjoy revisiting outrageous fortune. It is a very fun and madcap comedy to comic actresses at their most appealing. You Know Midland long are irresistibly fun to watch together in their odd couple. Pairing does work wonders even if they could barely stand each other when the cameras stopped filming. It's unfortunate fortunate that they would not want to work again together because I do think that they do a really good job so for all of that I will give outrageous fortune. Three and a half stars out out of four three and a half stars is probably higher than most critics would probably give it. But I think it's very funny and I definitely would want to see this again. In fact I watched twice this week once once on my own and I thought my wife would like it so I watched it again with her and she had just as good a time as I did so and it was enjoyable watching it a second time in the same week week two so I think that for all of that I should probably give it three and a half stars out of four a very funny movie outrageous fortune. I do recommend it if you haven't seen it already anyway. That concludes my look at films of the nineteen eighties in which there are buddy comedies that have a CIA Tien now the film. I'm going to be reviewing as part of my next trilogy of films kind of ties in a little bit with outrageous fortune because number one. It's a comedy number two. It does feature a faked death death outrageous fortune. A death by the way that was faked in which a burned body comes into play just like outrageous fortune and one in which the protagonist list. It's not a buddy movie starring vehicle for a particular performer has to don a variety of disguises. In order to ultimately come out on top at the end it is a film from nine hundred eighty five and one film that actually has become kind of a cult classic maybe even a classic among people who like comedies of the one thousand nine hundred eighty it starts Chevy Chase and it is called fletch. One of two fletch movies. That came out in the eighties so I probably will cover both of them and that will be the next movie the cover fletch. Check it out from one thousand nine hundred five a movie that I really really enjoy it when I saw it in the theaters when I was about fourteen years old I thought it was hilarious. So I'm looking forward to catching up with that one again for next week's episode Fletch. Thanks everyone for listening to hope that you enjoyed this review. 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 All eyes on Jeremy Corbyn  Politics Weekly podcast

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All eyes on Jeremy Corbyn Politics Weekly podcast

"Burn. The god. This is politics weekly. I'm Heather Stewart. We had a discussion and the meeting was useful. But inconclusive similize on Jeremy Corbyn this week as the battled prime minister reached out to the labour leader to find a route through the Brexit. Impasse can Corbet may bury the hatchet and reach across party consensus with just as despair sign so far of fair to middling. And if they can't what happens next. Sweet we talked to one of the activists who disrobed in parliament to protest about climate change being finding visions and writing therapies for years and Tyke leg north and what toll is Brexit taking on the nation's mental health. That's all in this week's politics weekly. But I after three years of turmoil. Billions of pounds spent three failed attempts at getting her deal through parliament to resume stop trying to exit the U with taurine DUP votes this week and turned instead to labor may hopes the jomie Corbin will help her finally engineer a majority in the Commons, but the omens on great the eurosceptic wing of the Tory party reacted with predictable outrage, a man who sides with terrorists and socialistic Tators now been given the keys to Brexit. Pretty Patel tweeted, and if Corbin can't even share the same room as Chuck Ramona than forging an alliance with Theresa May may be a bit of an ask. Well, I'm joined to discuss this by very Williams and Lisa Rowe Carol from the guardian and Henry Newman from open Europe, everyone. Hello, Lou Henry, what prompted trees as change of heart. She's running out of at this point. And she's very keen to deliver a negotiated Brexit. I think she takes more responsibility in that political responsibility. Very. Obviously, she's Troy the repeatedly to control MP's to beg MP's shouted MP's. And that hasn't worked. She's tried to cut deals with the this year skeptic side of Paci said remain side, and she make quite significant progress. And I think we saw just before the when she tried to introduce just the door agreement. Some of the big dominoes falling already had Jacob Frey smoke Boris Johnson. Dominic Robb came across by the what was most interesting is that they weren't able to persuade about two dozen of the eurosceptic critics to full of them, which perhaps suggested the had less influence than reach over that wing of the party. Then perhaps we'd thought previously about those figures that they sort of big on the back benches, but USA couldn't persuade about. Half. A dozen remain critics on about benches back the deal either. So she snookered degree and she couldn't find the DP to support. I think she recognizes that actually Jeremy Corbyn is somebody who is not completely committed to a second referendum. We will come onto discussing that a bit further and may be interested to find some way allow. Ableman Brexit to be delivered on Pat, slightly different terms. But perhaps she's more likely to be able to deal with Gerry Corbin, then we labor back benches and to the last minute they still held out hope that the DP might come on. Didn't they even last Friday? It was still saying we're gonna talk to the DP we're gonna keep talking to the weekend. And then you know, by the end of the weekend. It was they were saying she could bring these a thousand times we not gonna vote for it. Well, what's out in the isn't it so interesting, you know, one billion pounds confidence and supply agreement is starting to to nothing on. I think if anybody anybody had advised trees may on the UP from the gecko, she she would have been told there's no point in spending impounds on the UP. They were vote the way they vote on have done for thirty years. They are party that said no to the Belfast agreement or Good Friday agreement is it's cold in nineteen ninety eight said no to the agreement that Tatro and Garfield EROs Harnden hundred eighty-five on this had not signed out in nineteen Seventy-three which was to. Two years after in pacey senior best known for his nose ender moso founded the party, so the UP been consistent throughout and yet. Somehow tweets, my constantly felt that gee, just get them over line is something she could offer is very interesting, isn't it because you just don't I ending any of us will come prepared for the intransigence that we're seeing from the DP over many just a DP romaine is just into tool was saying he the way to kind of reconciliation is to stop asking. What would I die for the start asking? What can I live with? And that's the absolute opposite. What everybody's doing? Nobody's asking. What can I live with? And everybody's asking. What would I for until you'll get you'll getting kind of radicalism? And and that same stubbornness from people who you don't expect it from obviously people go real pedigree in it did just the Dinah did. And I think they were also really you could tell from the tone of statements last week. They're really exasperation with the cue of MP. Tickly the Archie lining up to blame them to say if the D U P switch will switch. They are not the Tory party. I think speaking to civil servants you've been involved closely with the negotiations with the DP they were up to mystic that there were moments when the DP really wanted to support the deal. So I think this is less. This was I buy into this was never going to work narrative. I think the were moments it could've what mandis dining is. Actually, the DP quite worried by the possibility of different Tory leader taking over for the second phase of Brexit and alternately selling out as they sit northern and going back to northern on backstop, and that private conversations with to re leadership backbench hopefuls say quite worrying for them. And that's that's also contributed to their concerns. But I understand that position to a degree. But I don't really see how they thought Brexit was going to work over all other than by resulting in some degree of hybridity for Northern Ireland. You can think the backstop gives too much control to the European Union side of that hybrid arrangement. But what else was this house will begin to? Through this problem. And we'll Arlene foster east to say was that she wanted the best of both worlds access to Arlington the twenties and the EU for northern in a better way than Britain and also access to K markets, and you can make a case that the box officer. But that's always the case that don't want to make right now, I'm not so sure she was ever really buying into this best of both worlds because that's the position of the farmers union. That's position of business that the box up does deliver that they would remain in the single market more or less unav- accessed UK and the Irish markets at the core of the UP that the DP's heart is in Buckingham Palace. It's the union anything the threatens the union is something that they would fight for. So when you know, I would rather have no Brexit than have anything threaten the union. We did you take that a completely face value? Well, it's a remain isn't. He would rather a main. Yeah, exactly because northern is fully aligned to the UK would because it's remains. Thanks, Jordan airy, isn't it? I mean, you know, if if they were main party, the DP, then they would have been much better off not signing confidence and supply agreement with Theresa. Yeah. You can also see their paranoia. Of course, you've got all also remind everybody always there only representing about fifty percent of the voters in Northern Ireland. But I've spoken to unionists in northern and we don't support the UP and don't I don't have confidence in the DP DP doesn't represent them. But they are. So in despair that once again Northern Ireland is being Bigfoot by Great Britain that they're left behind that. Nobody cares. They know that once all this is over and whoever's empowered whether it's Boris whoever. Nobody cares Bono's ardent. Why isn't she that? It's not just the DP who've been holdouts as being this process. It's taken such a long time. But it's been this hardening of people's views hadn't they so you had this these indicative folks, we've had two rounds of them Pullen didn't manage to find a majority for anything. And that's partly isn't it because people aren't willing to settle for what they their second preference. Third preference might be everybody seemed to be voting only for the for their sort of ideal outcome, which is not really how the prices meant to what I think that's the nature of Brexit. Right. Right. Because actually if you don't get your own ideal outcome, the second best outcome looks like to all of us. Looks like looks like all the downsides of Brexit, and none of the upsides. So you know, you can say I'm a remain. I'm a hard remain a-. But if you in theory, my second preferences customs union Brexit, but in reality customs union, Brexit, just looks exactly like membership of the EU without any benefits ship, the well, it doesn't matter. What you think for the second because I'm just explaining what how it's how compromise isn't reachable that puts me then on the same side as Jacob REEs mall. So so you know that that's where the second preference. Takes you. Then you end up with no deal Brexit, right because nobody can allies that he says she's no perfect. She if you just wargame it, if you're if the kind of incentive to compromise is if you don't compromise a gun to your head in something catastrophic happens, then that really clear the hurdle of the compromise. Not really looking like everything you want minus twenty five percent everything. You don't want for no reason. But those positions of hardened up over time. Right. I mean, you could look to parliament on the morning, the twenty-seven German election and said during seventeen general election and said, we need a softer daily to get through this parliament that point some of the MP's who are now people's vote or nothing were advocating EMP noise. You could you could make a very strong case that if the campaign is for so cool people's their act together straight off the referendum. They could easily push us towards a position like no way, maybe interim basis or maybe even on a potentially semi permanent basis, but they didn't I think what we've seen over the last. Two and a half years is not the facts becoming clearer. It's the people become ever more entrenched in their impositions and ever more divided. I want to ask about Jeremy Corbyn, and what he should do how he should play these tools. Yes. Zoe the right thing to go into Downing Street and have this conversation the talks going on. I don't see how he could not have gone in. But the only thing he can do at this stage is going and say that any deal has to be attached to people's vote. That's the only thing he can do is their majority and parliament for that. Well, if you look at the way, the came down in the in the indicative votes, the largest number of votes was for customs union, the largest the knowing number of opposition votes was for Kyle Wilson, which is the ratification random so all the expectation as we was those customs union people will get together with the people and they'd get customs union Brexit with Peavey attached. Want to customs union once it because they hate the referendum. They want to actually that's what that's what was that's what kind of derailed. It was. Actually, there was a lot of chicory Pokhran. Not people said they were going to compromise. They actually didn't when it came to the vote so that magical solution, but is only was only seven votes shy last time. It was voted on. The problem is if you suggestion is that we should put to the people an option of leaving with the customs union or remaining would have to be three way. Okay. Between between leaving with the customs union remaining, annot, Dale. I think that's what people are proposing. I think. I mean, that's that's what's going on in labor PV. Why would you put why wouldn't you just put the deal on then no deal? And then because I mean, I think in stupid note where they wanted where they had this kind of Mosul labor Brexit, which is just duffed in my view. But that's why they got to. But you know, the momentum I o policy for the twenty seventeen. I mean, look at the money not did the conservative NFS Thursday. We're not going to govern for two years. We're just gonna fight amongst ourselves. Because they didn't mean manifesto is are all up in the air. Henry do you think anything that can go through parliament in time either for that summit next Wednesday when trees and may has to say what length of extension? She wants offer may the twenty. I think if I was trying to help broker compromise. I would be putting into the political declaration and explicit menu options. So you put into Labour's Brexit, you put into it conservative vision of Brexit, Morehouse, whatever you want as future relationship, and you put in sake market two point zero, and you say Evan now, you options are explicitly here in brackets, the already said there's supposed to close brackets by negotiation. But you put those all in explicitly say are the deal in which vote for this all you wanted people's votes which is fair enough. That's your choice. But are we Brexit? We don't decision to move on. You would put those three options to parliament with Peavey option notes. These are put to actual people. So I would say to. Into the into the political declaration with the those three options. So if we get through the game, and we leave you have all those three options explicitly possible parliament source our future, and I agree with the other side of article fifty if we do get out, then we'll be still having discussions, but that we one crucial difference discussing whether we leave or not, and we'll be discussing that we have a second owner, and I will then focus a bit more, actually choices. Once you've left seems to me the one thing that might get labor over the line is Chuck in general election. Toys helps. The government should commit as part of the which will to say, we'll have to be general election before we ratified a future treaty. Now. That's a statement of probable anyway and allows you to to know if you'll labor party, you can you can go into generation prophecy, soft Brexit and the pot and go into generation promising hotter. Brexit, that's a sensible compromise guys into the general election, promising any Brexit. They will hemorrhage votes, it is really catastrophic for labor if they don't actually give their members and their voters some remain option at some point quite soon, and this whole thing in cabinet in the moment. John Chuck and in laze cabinet. Sorry. Sorry, forget about the Tories. Just my own mental health, it the whole thing shadow cabinet about, you know, this is a class divide all the northern MP's want Brexit and all the southern punchy MP's won't remain is complete fabrication is complete nonsense. The idea that I can cross people in Lambeth and not properly working class, whereas working class people in Wigan. Aw is just. Boiling my blood at the moment. It's not a party of Brexit. It's not even a party of soft. Brexit is a remain party. What you think China general-election was sorta? Well, I was in in his neck of the woods yesterday up Newcastle and disembark spots. And what was really interesting is. You know, you get the predictable believers say just get on with this. But there is exasperated young and old with what's going on. And come back to report about communications. I think the argument is lost long lost on voters. They are now saying out an old guy who is retired many years and seventies ex Royal Navy lever hardcore, let's just leave. He says customs union staying in. He's already made up his mind. You know, the associations within announce or just got new labels, and I had thirty wrote who educated in term university. Who was also saying let's get let's get out. Let's give give them Brexit a chance in five years time. If it hasn't worked out house catastrophe. We have another referendum to go back. Even just wanted over out released in north Tyneside, which is particularly conserved to part of the world. I spent a lot of time Nokia's and talking to people, and I can't believe I'm sure people frustrated by the prices now this is now nearly two years of the twenty seventeen general, but the time they were perfectly capable of Arctic very solid leave case in a very labor. Areas is great to do Vokes pops. And it's really helpful. But there is a reason why they Triggs this. And that's because it's it's just a bit more thorough and the truth of is levers are not coming round to labor so pandering to them is not gonna help him. Meanwhile, Dave otas remain overwhelmingly remain and those labor voters who did vote leave. The the salience of Brexit has slipped right down. So they took that talking placing fifth or sixth perfect. It really doesn't matter. What the weather? There are some people in their constituency who are still leave. What really matters is the people who are remain. And there's a lot of people are remain do deserve some representation from one political party and just to be told. K G. Yeah. Actually, I mean, it is interesting. I saw it weird figure the other day the only eight percent of people Denver strongly with a Plymouth party where forty percent of people identified strongly with remain leave. But agree. Zoe thing to degree housing. The problem. The TJ problem for labor is how'd you Mottain your current MP's Roti remain. You current activists Brody remained, but you need to win in leave voting seats, even though seats the majority of labor voters may be remained. But to win them you need to have a message for leave as well. Otherwise, you have no pasta power, and that's the strategic balance that people in Lavery, and Jeremy copen self trying to grapple it's not strategic balance at all to truth is if they don't come out for a main soon, they're going to lose a huge number of remained, and they don't talk about that. So, you know. This holiday news remain voters. Because you remember this was. For labor supporters in London. For example, over Diana performance. Just before the last election in two thousand seventeen and she won landslide. Janet. Channel you look at places like Canterbury Castanon Chelsea and Westminster the places that they got on expectedly out of nowhere in two thousand seventeen they will not get again, if they don't stick remain because they were young people coming in unexpectedly Scotland, they're gonna be absolutely annihilated. And they need they need the banking on fourteen seats in Scotland in order to get over the line. They're not gonna get any. If they don't go remain those. Well, we could talk about this all day, but we're going to have to leave it there. We'll be back after this. Jewish. It's time to focus. I think ultimately that ideology is feeding, but it will have a sting in the tail see that sometimes with these flare ups and violence today. Focus is the new daily podcast from the guardian. Join me a new Donna for the best stories from our journalists around the world. Subscribe now today in focus from the guardian. Welcome back on Monday, April fools day of climate change. Protesters were arrested after stripping off in a house of Commons public gallery and gluing themselves to the window this'll happened as Labour's Peter Carl was speaking in the debate for a second round of indicative votes. When a colleague raised a point of order Carl said, he was grateful for the cheeky intervention protest inside parliament don't happen. Very often. The last was fifteen years ago when pro funding protesters succeeded in sneaking into the common stresses construction workers on the phone now, I have will cook from climate change pressure extinction. Rebellion who was one of the protesters in parliament on Monday. I will let let's talk about what happened on Monday. I y y choose that debate. When MP's talking about Brexit, and why take you close off was is that the right way to attention. Well, to be honest. We didn't really choose the Brexit debate. We chose Monday April. Process because it was a proposed Dan becalm. It's promotes action in London. The international rebellion on April the fifteenth, and then somehow the universe provided us with the ideal backdrop for what we were. We were going to do anyway. And then the Brexit debate. Suddenly does this huge thing happening and visibility of what we were doing massively increased which was by terrifying for us. But also like exactly what it was. It was out see stuff on basically planning. Do you have to do for something like that? Because this, you know, very intense security in parliament, isn't that it's it's it's not easy to couldn't have snuck in any kind of Banos all posters or whatever. It's not so easy. Yes. So I came about probably around Christmas time when one member of our group went into parliament just from interest and for the reasons being naked was because we couldn't get bottles or anything. And we thought the one thing we can do is paint selves up and take those in because you know, then strip searching. Or anything when you go in? So that kinda happened around Christmas, and then the planning process to probably about three months of quite intensive planning. And then we kind of how to make thing a week before the action while we went really intending to come up with a diet for us. And then suddenly it was like parliaments in recess from the feds. So we go now so yet, and we kind of threw it together in the last week stops stopped proceedings. Didn't quite stop proceedings, but it said he distracted and peas in parliament and journalists who were there covering it. And so on will you please with how much coverage it go. The next day, sunny, all the papers. It was it was, you know, became memes or over the internet like the yet. It's really acceded. I won't expect patience. You know? Like, we've been also papers have been in the New York Times time magazine. Now, we've gotten lots of the papers, we wouldn't normally expect to like the express and the Telugu. Graphs and places like that. And tell me about why extinction rebellion it that you feel you have to say this kind of action, you know, rather than signing petitions or writing TM pay or coming to parliament in in other ways. Why is it you need to take action? The results in you being dragged off by the police. What what's motivating it? Well, I mean people have been finding petitions and writing Seren pays for years, and to be honest as being totally ignored. If you look at what's happened with two of the very to the very biggest much is in recent times. She was the stop the war protest, and they second referendum protests happened just a couple of weeks ago. They think completely ignored effectively the largest petitions that's gone out recently gained like Brexit base thing by gain. It's being ignored. We've got to take more direct action. We've got disrupts things. Because really I think it's only like politicians talk in the language of money in many ways like that makes the. Theo's businesses on. So we need to disrupt won't people doing this thing on April. The fifteenth is all about this Rupp thing London disrupting they financial center. So the move failed pressure from at that Mason big business to come from gauche eating table of meters. And just one more thing if you if you succeed, for example, on fifteenth of eight put a new you got the government come and sit down you've got the environment secretary, Michael go round the table. What is it you want the government to do? So we've got three months at vast amount of Fethi. The government tells the truth and declares climates emergency. Basically how about the problem really is the second thing to do is to kind of demonstrate that making a target that they without wanting to commit to going carbon neutral by twenty twenty five which is challenging, but that's his thing necessary. And then the fifth thing we want to do is to form a citizens assembly, which is radical. Form of inclusive democracy that will help guide I root out of the mess. That's the politicians have Gulf is into over the last twenty to thirty s thanks so much. Well, thank you very much. Now. Lisa Brexit, crowded out. Every other issue hasn't it? Absolutely. Absolutely. It's dominating the front pages for probably nine percent of the time. Since november. We've had a figure four billion is being spent on Nodia planning if it gets across the line. That's fourbillion wasted the being spent on the jazz on climate change environment. Whatever white always has been good locked. There are no policies getting through other. And we thinking going on that when the consent is going to be up to talk about some of these other things main reasons, why things gridlock's actually the hung parliament. And that's that's the single. Biggest problem facing the government, but Brexit's complicated. But that just means total gridlock, plus the failures of Downing Street, the PM person in salt, but the government is talking about the things and the news is carrying other things. I think we've seen actually the the kids protests around climate and got a great deal of coverage. And that was. Getting time. At school. Been spent on such instruments to get to catch the government's gonna praise. My former boss go on a huge amount on plastics and environmental questions. This is this is the one area. I think you can say the government has done quite a lot. That is another that is one area the food and drink federation and thirteen or fourteen other soldiers said they were refusing to engage with Michael over knees issues because he coming too much. No. No, they don't have. They don't have the capacity to deal with plastic deposits games, or whatever whatever is his, you know, politically point scoring schemes are little go has has has taken a ministry that was bottom of the pylon with DC mess and made it extremely high profile. He has he is he is to to the public. He's got things through like getting rid of of plastic straws of etc. Etc. But the industry's engaging because they say all their time because he's creating political capital from these games, isn't it? But they're not getting over the line because the industry won't engage with them because all their times consumed with not applying for Brexit. Can I defend my I think when we with Justice he was given a brief by Cameron to essentially deal with the problems with the judges and make Justice quietened down Michael after few months, turn the entire agenda around into prisoner rehabilitation. David Cameron is giving speeches about how. Prison reform was going to be his legacy and politics. Prisoners prisons of never been in. A state suicides have never been high cell phones never been issues. Loss issues than there have ever been. My point is just a political point Mike was being able to transform different agendas. In-depth FRA again, it's now the case the the chancellor's most recent spring statement was all about plastics because it's an area where the politically has been able to transform their gender and do things despite the gridlock competitive that they haven't actually been done. We don't have deposits game. We still have plastic bags and supermarkets. We haven't asked by dropped precipitously Enron. You just made Lisa's point four her. They talk a good game. He talks good game. But nothing happens and things get water. That's not reasons. Oh worse and the environment the environmental provisions was and you know, it the complex problems problems imprisons which agree needs to be dealt with including illegal use of these new substances. Like spy, people ways almost issues aiming spy, but it's hor stuffing, the should be more money. Spent a prisons I spent quite tempers, and this is really difficult and complex cases. You know? Well, I do know, you know, I'm on the chest a prison. Charity, and I can tell you. It's never been was in fifty degree. But I think it's a better thing that people don't talk about prisons as places which people sent for punishment. But about rehabilitation there's a good thing to talk though. But he's really bad. If you don't do it as what's going on with Brexit will make the point that, you know, you get petition signed by six million pay pillow, you get marches, and you know, just ignored is it is it, right? Sometimes to the lowly said, you think to get a point across when you feel strongly about it. Depends e personally I this goes back to my previous career covering the hacking trials and public interest defence of hacking, if his public interest defence yes on journeys are often often assed is justification for breaking the law. Sometimes there is, but the strategy is partly as for example, the Selfridge stress she was get yourselves arrested in because you think this thing is sufficiently say suppose, there aren't I thought there's that that end of the spectrum right through to terrorism isn't there? It's a whole different debate, isn't it? But I think the question lots lots of people are asking or is if I signed the petition six people signed up petition Isan trees may taking noticed notice avatar if those one million people in the streets on lashed a week. Why's intrigues may take notes which goes back to the point? You made Zoe witches or has to be somebody to represent those forty-eight percent. Okay. Thanks oil. Now could Brexit be damaging your mental health? A new poll by the consultancy Britain thinks has found that eighty three percent of those survey was sick of hearing about Brexit. Well, sixty four percent thought it was damaging the mental health. So you've written a piece about this today. I mean, say we're now overwhelmingly a country of pessimists is really that was the finding I found most interesting that hope not hate of been running these mood services twenty eleven and what they found which actiony reinforces the leave case in two thousand sixteen was the areas which classically been pessimistic like Grimsby Harley pool had flipped quite significantly twenty two points more optimistic after the result and while areas with remain voters flipped exactly the same way in the opposite direction. So you had a completely inverted map of optimism and pessimism. And this very much reinforced that case that people made to to kind of justify everything that's followed which his. You know, those areas were left behind finally somebody listened to them if you feel as liberal metropolitan only that your that your views aren't being heard and the government. You don't recognize these people in government? That's what people in Grimsby have been feeling for the past twenty years. You know that kind of narrative built up that the left behind areas of finally roared and taking back control, not persisted. Until twenty eighteen remain has got more and more pessimistic Optum levers kind of maintain their optimism. And then the most recent poll was now everybody's pessimistic is just every everybody in the leave areas is pessimistic as they were before. And everybody remain areas is pessimistic as the Nevis used to be. This wasn't a serious point about people's mental health was the certainty, and I think if you're a business, I think large swathes of the population of turned off turn off the radio. I find myself doing in the morning, I listen to a bit. And then I turn off because I haven't got the capacity I've got the capacity to think about other parts of the world covering Brexit. And I think it's a survey showed that peop- that it's the uncertainty. The if you're running a business, you don't know what's going to happen next Saturday. But he's actually if you look at that survey, they had to kind of word cloud of the words people use to describe Brexit a year ago, it was uncertainty and confusion, and now it's broken and Keio. So the was coming out rooms away of wanting this process. So I can remember you man, Mike who g-o-v saying in that press conference in the morning after the result of the referendum. We need to involve different political traditions in negotiating this deal. We need to run this in a way that would be kind of inclusive was their way of doing this. The would not have resulted in the entire nation. Feeling angst ridden furious about it. I think I we work cross party. In the beginning, particularly after twenty seventeen when you lost your majority trees me. But from the beginning, I remember in Downing Street straight off the referendum arguing that we had to offer a unilateral right for you. Nationals to come here legitimately two straight away. Just do that to make people feel safe. My European friends who felt that they were being used as political points that was horrific. And of course, it contributed to a narrative that the country was divided. She then gave up speech where she talked about citizens of nowhere. Now, some of the you can draw some lines through that speech, which actually make sense. But the was received by the public was we hate you Metropolitans, you'll you globalize people. We're not on your side that was crazy divided the country RAV and bring it together you and this is all about leadership. I think people I think people in different positions on my sister. Who's trying to medical school exams brings me up and just says I can't cope with. It's all this Brexit trying to revise what's happening let she's sort of embodying this uncertainty. People say the sick of listening tip of the Russo obsessed as well this is kind of Gomez. Gory detail my boyfriend's family in Italy, sapping him say is this an important vote. We're watching the parliament channel listening to the speaker as if it's penalty shootouts, and it's sort of crucial moment. So the whole world is obsessing about it. And that's both the good and about thing, but he quickly. Yes. This is the best. Yes. We're five minutes of night without clarity. And this is a failure of political close on both sides of the house and more broadly. But say I think a lot of the west is experiencing these problems if you look at the state of politics America, it's pretty horrific. If you look at the state of politics in France, or Italy, even Germany, this is the western world is in political Fluxa moment, and even even just intruder enrolled in his enormous scandal. Where is it? The the politics all stable and easy. What's particularly surprising for Europeans? Is that Britain used to be that and stability and good sense? And good order. But only positiveness his actually for all the problems. I think parliament's actually doing its job quite well because it's reflecting the division in the country. And we're seeing more and more focus and attention on the palm. Edgy process. But the good thing we used to have years of huge majorities where everybody knows parliament and voters will offer a political choice between Pepsi and coke. And now ideas back in a broader sense, you've got a leftish leader who's very different political spectrum from previous leftist leaders, and there is a spectrum that and people want to talk about politics and say, you're in a very narrow band thinking paulhamus good job because another part that survey was, you know, not only is they blame basically everybody these people eighty three percent of whom just don't hear about Brexit ever, again blame every single politician equally. They've completely skating about all of them. The only gets a mention is David Cameron as the kind of architect of this awfulness. But it nobody. Nobody's looking at parliament. And thinking this great. They're finding. It needs to make decision. I'm not suggesting this indecision is is a good thing. But I think having debates and reflecting those augument that's where the country is the country's really stood very very divided and we spend three years rehearsing same arguments with more and more feelings each time, and people are have to say, the people are politically engaged in a way, I never witnessed on coming from a country where you've proportionate representation where you can actually gain your balance where you go into the ballot box might have ten fifteen candidates, and you can side I'm going to to vote for that person. Because I carry over you actually have to think, and you think you your voters accounts and this country doesn't remember come here in the late eighties. I and being astonished that people didn't talk about politics all talked about was house prices. And I think that's changed in a way is not where we are at the political system itself is broken that we need to have a conversation about proportional representation in this country under vote by the greedy, the people talking politics, you got on the tube and people discussing article fifty and two about different deals, and my my my my retired my talking about a customs union Newcastle yesterday. She sees on that tiny sort of upbeat note. About the increasing political engagement and and show that to close I think thanks ever so much everyone. Thank you. Well, that's all we have time for this week. My thanks to all our guests so Williams Lisa Carol Henry Newman, and we'll cook the producer was Simon Barnard. I'm Heather Stewart. Thanks for listening. For mobile put costs from the guardian. Just go to the guardian dot com slash podcasts.

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TIP250: Lessons from Billionaire Michael Bloomberg (Business Podcast)

We Study Billionaires - The Investors Podcast

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

TIP250: Lessons from Billionaire Michael Bloomberg (Business Podcast)

"You're listening to c i t on today's show were talking about mr michael bloomberg who is in american billionaire who's networth is approximately sixty two billion dollars he's the founder of bloomberg limited partners which is a global financial services software in mass media company in addition to creating a large cap business from the ground up mr bloomberg has given away eight point two billion dollars in his pledge to give away half of his net worth charity upon his death we cover topics like how mr bloomberg created his company and what his childhood was like and much much more so without further delay here's are junaid coverage of billionaire michael bloomberg you listening to me invested podcast when we study the financial markets and recent books influence self made billionaire as the most we keep you informed unprepared buddy unexpected this episode a v investors podcast is brought to you by ziprecruiter hiring is challenging but there's one place you can go where hiring is 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clip they were going to listen to michael bloomberg talks about the bible lessons in principles from his life that he wants to pass onto the next generation and this is what he said don't spend a lotta time making long term plans here's a photo of me johns hopkins university when i graduated i never dreamed up going to hopkins but i had a job and electronics company and my boss suggested justed i apply in my time at hopkins didn't go exactly as planned i want it to be a physics major what did we say german requirement this was right after all of the physics had been done in germantown had not been translated played it in english after the war after three days in german class i realized that i am not a linguist i was not going to learn to speak german no matter what happened so i switched the engineering school so it didn't work out the way i thought but then i went to business school thinking i wind up managing a factory but a friend recommended i try wall street even though i knew nothing about finance and the lesson there is focused mostly on now you can't predict what's going to happen and don't even think about tomorrow until it comes spend the time where you are right now learning as much as you can and making as many friends you can i taught myself to be the first in in the first out at business school i had the pay room and board and tuition and so i took a job renting apartments in real estate office none of the salesman understood why every client came in had an appointment to see me it was really very simple i got in first about six in the morning and i answered all overnight in worries i always try to be the first one there and the last one out at night in the morning when the managing partner wanting to borrow a match delight his cigar or wanna talk scott fox sports i was the only one he could talk to so we became friends and at the end of the day the number two guy was the last one believe what's he gonna do refused to share an elevator in a subway car with me so we became friends them and to this day i have always believed that a lot of people are smarter than me and they couldn't do things i can't do but they cannot outworked me i can't work twenty four seven and they can't work more than that langi or lucky you get and the more successful you're gonna be in the more successful you're gonna you are the more you were gonna wanna work don't let it get you down take risks you're not gonna get to the top unless you do how did go to work at solomon brothers just start a company simple i got fired and when you get fired this of opportunities open up and people are afraid to say oh i got fired i was proud they're getting fired i've never been fired before or it was wonderful the learn what it felt like now i don't wanna do it a second time since my name is on the door my company i don't think that's gonna happen but nevertheless i love my job and people they hired me and fired me were great people and they all became bloomberg customers but after leaving i had a crazy idea and i went for it i started my own company but if i hadn't gotten fired i never would have started the company run for mayor or been invited to speak to you today so always look at the bright side you may be embarrassing at first but it's how you grow the lesson is you gotta believe you gotta take risks you cannot spins real life on the bunny slopes and you can't can't write a book about skiing and go out and scheme double black diamonds you have to learn by doing and falling down always high of people smarter than you because you can only do as well as you're team does the press kept asking asking me what did you do in the first hundred days and i said i built a team and they said yeah yeah but what did you do i said no i built a team and we went back and forth they couldn't understand that the team was everything thing what i did is i picked him i put them together and if they had a problem i could adjudicate between disagreements and find ways to pay them but they were the ones that were really doing it so never be afraid to hire somebody smarter than you they will make you look good and give credit to them when i say no i didn't do it sally did two things a true number one everybody knows but i did it and number two they respect me more because of it an sally respects me and now sally is gonna wanna be part of the team for a long time so give credit to others i don't know anything we do by ourselves everything requires other people in when i returned to bloomberg after city hall i found much to my surprise but after all my instructions that i had left twelve years earlier that they would not be any private offices people said we didn't have any private offices but all the twelve senior people had conference rooms right next their desk with the family pictures in needless to say the next sunday when they came in the walls were gone wall so one of the worst things you're gonna have they keep people from communicating and if you want a sudden example people have to be able see you the more you break down the walls the stronger your team's gonna be and if you put yourself right in the middle of all the people you work with you'll be shocked at just how much better informed you are how much more they will love you and how much more you will alter together if you don't back the people they won't take risks if you don't share credit they won't be motivated in the job is the latest to take the heat and the stand by the people hold them accountable but back them up when they say well considered sitted risks the don't work out if somebody on your team as an idea that doesn't work do what i do i always make sure people understand that i am still supporting them so i'm always inspired by huge how successful inch when the worst rose to the top from the humble beginnings but i also wanna see that one thing that always frustrated me when i was younger what said it sounded too simple in a sort of had the feeling that while what they say might be true also just a little luck here then i was seeing it over the years and realized there was more likely my jealousy talking than sensibility an i was the only one to blame for my own problems and really one book that puts stories like these into perspective at least for me were dahlia's book principles ridell you're defines principles as ways of successfully dealing with allergy to get what you want out of life which i think is a very relevant been listened to stories like the one you just heard here from michael bloomberg so one simple principles just assemble is that if you wanna grow their wealth you need to spend less and you make now we don't all want the same came out of life so we should all applied different principles but any correct principal still universal and that's exactly what michael bloomberg is doing here he's outlining his principles for how to achieve what he defined as success and his life so really the key here is if you're conscious about you go you can through principles achieve them personally i have five business principles i applied to my business goals and in my business and look at every single day they do not not include outworking everyone else like michael bloomberg i have other ambitions and goals and him so i used all the principles and those principles forget me different rewatch so i guess my key take away when i listen to this clip lost to emphasize not only for myself but also for the listener which principles ula by and why you chose those principles and which rewards you expect to get from them all right stick so i'm gonna go ahead and a play a question that i had picked out here in this question pertains to a what michael bloomberg learned from his younger years in this was his response i think you look at her parents and most of us are lucky enough to have parents not everybody does and one of our problems in new york city is we have a lot of kids we have the help who aren't so lucky they are raised by grandparents are aren't so just friends but i had two loving parents my mother still alive ninety eight years old lives in the house but i grew up in flew now this weekend's in new york and went back to my hope but i've inherited her jeans a but my father was a bookkeeper a furlough dairy company and he went to work seven days a week right up until he checked himself into the hospital to die and i think you can't help but be formed by a year parents there where work ethic 'em we talked about a a charity 'em and a social obligations one of the things my parents did which i wanna to do with my daughter's but didn't quite get accomplished but i would urge all of you if you have kids come in and do it my mother made sure my sister and i waited at home from my father come for dinner we always eight together as a family we set the table together it was never a pot in the history of are family the came to the table 'em we served everything much more formerly the a and we went around the table and talked about what we did that day and so i remember discussing a charity we collect for some cars in the neighborhood a i was a boy scout and soul christmas aris to raise money for few things and a my sister did the same kinds of things but if you look back and say who is the most influential in setting your life on the right course it was clearly in my case my parents a lot of other people that had something to do with a but the great challenge we have in are society is we're living in a world where parents aren't spending time with their children i went to visit a charter school a two weeks ago where it's a kindergarten and first grade next year they'll have k one and two and then they'll build up the k through five but they insist that the parents reid half a dozen books to the children every single week they ask the children to write a sentence or two about each other books they called the parents every single week and say did you reid and if the parents didn't have time they say well you're gonna remove your kid from school unless once you start doing it but how we get in this society we're living where everybody's got so many things to do and families are much more fluid than they've ever been before how we get to have the parents really spend time one on one with their children is one of our great challenges and i think that's the challenge in our school system is well we talk about numbers we talk about methods of teaching in the end education particularly at the lower level is h eacho looking a single student in by dialoguing understanding what that student needs answering questions and this just to little that in art competitive funds society so i know shows about investing but i just really liked this comment about the influence of parents an importance of parents spending time with their kids eating together the reason i i wanna talk about this a little bit is because i read a book oh i don't they'll probably a year ago maybe two years ago in the book is called the light switch it's a fairly a popular book the subtitle in the book is an ex f b i agents guide to influencing attracting and winning people one of the things that i really found fascinating in this book is he talked about the authors there's two authors 'em they talked about this idea of being close to another person in interacting with another person in order to kind of bring them into you're sheer influence and when you look at a family that sits down and eats together like michael bloomberg was talking about and then in the family dynamic that he grew up in you could see that the relationship he had with his parents were close in that he was is looking to them as role models and i know the eating is just one aspect of that a very maybe a very small aspect of that but i think it's really important for people to understand that the the people that they have day today interactions with the people that you're sitting down and having a meal with on everyday kind of basis is going to drastically impact who they become what they're gonna become what they're learning and i just think it's so important for parents out there to invest in their children in their time and i just wanna play that a quick audio sound clip because i just enjoyed it so for the next question we're going to play here michael bloomberg was asked what short by young she's been worse and this is what my bloomberg said this is an awful lot of good ideas out there and there aren't very many companies succeed and you gotta ask yourself what's the disconnect between the two and i think it's people don't understand when they start a business it they have have a good idea but the execution of building aid business of attracting the right people getting them to work together on finding financing if you needed of going in selling selling the product of maintaining the product and being able to recognize what their competitors doing those skill sets the most entrepreneurs don't have they tend to be young people straight out of school and it's amazing and to me the ideas but they come up with it but they have never had the experience of the real world it's not easy the look somebody i and say i'm sorry you're not gonna work here tomorrow it's not easy to get to people both of whom you have to keep both of them you really need who aren't getting along to adjudicate between the mythic get some to cooperate it's you deal with social problems you deal with government problems to deal with tax problems you deal with legal problems an i think it's the maturity of the management of these companies that is failing them because they just don't have it this starting young people and that's something i suppose the venture capitalist can bring to the party they can give them a understanding of the real world and provide some stability the bad news for venture capitalist is they have a short term perspective and they wanna get their money out and they wanna own a big chunk of the company and they entrepreneur moore's that give away the whole company because that's the only way they can get going sounds good but why bother you'd be better off maybe starting slower attracting a few older people to work with you who have some experience and it's been what i've noticed is older people don't have a problem attracting in hiring and working with younger people why because that's the way the world is as you get older you have to bring a new employees they just out school so they younger but younger people are always afraid of bringing in older people they just some reason or other are scared of them and they don't recognize the talents that comes with experience in with having been there before and done things and so if i was gonna start young biz new business when i started my business i was in my mid thirties then i'd had some experience but most entrepreneurs i'm meet here is straight out of school at twenty four twenty five years old and they've never had to go through this and they don't understand things they think are gonna be easy but don't work out they never quite understand why but if somebody's been there before and done that they could have explained to them not saying you can't do it but here's the difficulties with going have to address i don't think you hear a lot of these discussions you know you see these tech publications wapner end the rife with stories of cray successful twenty two year old just out of school founders who become billionaires which is kind of interesting listening to bloomberg perspective you know i say from personal experience i've had to start ups the first estado when they're always twentysix an i hide multiple people but i never ever had anyone who was significantly older than me an i'm sort of embarrassed to say that has not been doing that for the exact same reasons as you play sharing the clip bloomberg is very likely riots and and i'm wrong you know those are the reasons why not and the real like his response in the way he's thinking about this because if you do say something like tackle if you're talking about john chuck norris rival school it might be a new technology at why would you needs more experienced people from doing something that's not even invented yet but at the end of the day at business is business meaning of the human aspect an experience in handling people is really key to the success and perhaps this is a bit and then don't ical where would mock soccer burke and facebook's beach day if soccer berg didn't pre sweetser sat back she'll leave google in two thousand eight and this was a pardon time where soccer where it was twenty three and san by was thirty eight and this was not a part time where he would make a lot of sense to go from google to renew startup called face book i think last comment is whenever i was looking through a magazine here the other day about success in the tech business one thing really stood out to me the average age of leaders of high growth startups successful that is is actually forty five years old thing is really a testament to what michael bloomberg is talking about here a business is at the end of the day all about handling people more than they are dsl all right stick so the next question that i'm gonna play here is a question that is really simple but i just kind of find a interesting a bloomberg was asked how did you start bloomberg and this is his response while i got fired from my job animas too proud to go look for another one 'em so i some really bit of work for myself i seriously i part of that is true i was fired from my job it's the best thing that ever happened to me if you get fired that way you should say thank god but 'em i wanted to i had an idea 'em and i was lucky enough to have the wherewithal the finance it myself and so i was able to attract three people had been working for me if the company i got fired from and they joined me at first stay with me second day we were four people and we just had an idea aaron we developed it and it took us a couple of three years i think from the start of the business till we delivered are first product it took us the first year you know it's gonna work you just have all that enthusiasm in the last year you see that it's gonna work so you don't worry about it that middle year that's always the tricky one but i went out and i spent three years to sell the product and you just have to have the confidence that if you keep going and knocking on doors you will eventually find a buyer higher i've always thought whether it's in government or in business you have the league so what i would argue in business is we all talk about listening to our customers and i think that's okay but i would say what you should do is here you're customers out but if you build watcher customer wants by the time you get it there they've moved onto something else and so what you have to do is build what they're going to need down the road and then convince them when you have the product that is in their interest to buy it and use it in government that would be leading from the front nobody alexa a government official to ask them in the poll what they want and then deliver it they shouldn't be electing government officials to come up with ideas with the future and then convince them why it's okay and why they should fund and living under that kind of environment and go on so yeah you you have to have an idea you have to figure out who to sell it to you have to go out and sell and selling is a very key part of every bit of innovation whether you're selling yourself to somebody funded or you're selling the product somebody or you just selling your family does there with you while you go through this adventure a successful entrepreneur is my way of thinking oh is good salesman some may not be polished but they're very effective in terms of convincing people but they've got a ninety year and it's worth listening to her investing 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blinkers ab right now for a limited time blinking has a special offer just for our audience audience go to blankets dot com slash billionaire start your free seventy trout that's blinking spelled b l i n k i s t blinking dot com slash billionaire to start your free seventy tro bleakest dot com com slash billionaire all right back to the show so i liked this response and i guess the reason i like this response is because it's not easy it's a it's extremely difficult to do what he did especially when you look at the magnitude of what he did but to get out there to be a sales person to be the the numbers person on the fine inside to be the person who's running the day to day operations the person who's coming up with the the market research and know what product or service you're gonna build that the customers gonna need in the future like all this stuff it's not simple i think it's so important for people that before they quit their job and say hey i'm gonna do this but they just understand the grind in the journey that's ahead and a they've got a they've gotta be looking forward to that grind they've gotta be looking forward to that struggle in that challenge because if you're not looking forward to that challenge and you think you're just gonna richard job and start whatever and it's just gonna kinda happened in everything's gonna fall into place it is it's not so simple and i think a lot of people don't necessarily have the the personality or the skill set to be able to handle so many different facets in be good at so many different facets in order to run a business from the ground up and so that that was just a little taste of michael bloomberg perspective on on founding a bloomberg and i just i think it's really valuable for people to hear all right guys so at this point in time the show will play christian from the audience an this question comes from tam hey pressing the state first of all i wanna say thank you so much for those you guys do de amount of information that you guys provide or super valuable so i'll listen to a new episode in the guest amazon said that he wants to pick on mortgage but the really high interest rate something in that ten percent in his mom would speaking out about it but then he told her that because inflation was really high say eight percent so be real industry that he paid turned out to be really low so my question is how is inflation factor into this one it's about the paid by ten percent interest or what he has to pay the right only two percent interest thank you so much great christian sam so we have to define three different terms year no mill interest rate which in your example is ten percent inflation which you mentioned to be eight percent and then the so called real interest rate which is the difference between the nominal interest rate an inflation so when you ask how much should you pay the bank well that is ten percent in interest so if you mob which is one hundred thousand dollars your interest payment is ten thousand dollars now we also have inflation which is vitally important because inflation ensures shores that the number of the value of money goes down or time so thinking about like this but you can buy four hundred thousand dollars today do you need one hundred eight thousand dollars to buy a year from now this is great if borrow money imagine that you own a small store or perhaps just get the regular paycheck because of goods services are not only getting more expensive with inflation typically what happens is that you annual nominal income come will also go up and you will therefore be able to pay back you're markets with future dollars while what you see and you bank statement is ten thousand dollars in interest rate payment it will because of the fact when inflation feel like you're only paying two percent which is the so called real interest rate you pay back with future dollars have lost eight percent in value so that's really why recalled this the real interest rate because that is the actual costs to us we sort of getting eight percent for free more less as abor due to inflation and then we just have to paid actual real interest rate of two percent to the bank thank i know there were quite a few numbers keep track of their but really hope that this simplified explanation makes it clear what the number of interest rates what's inflation and what is the real interest rate so tim i don't think i can add any extra value be on would stick just said so i'm just gonna leave it right there we really appreciate your question we have an online course called are intrinsic value course they were gonna give you completely free additionally we have filtering in momentum i'm tool which we call t i p finance we're gonna give you a year long subscription to t i p finance completely free a leave us a question at asked me investors dot com that's ask investors dot com if you're interested in these tools simply good or website the investors podcast dot 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10ish Cases of Really Bad Luck

Stuff You Should Know

53:17 min | 1 year ago

10ish Cases of Really Bad Luck

"Hey, everyone want to tell you about a very cool show that I was kind of involved in from the beginning. It's called sleep. Walkers, you may not care about a I but AI cares about you. Maybe it's how you match with your romantic partner. Maybe it's the route, you chose to get to work this morning or maybe predictive text. When you responding to Email. That's all folks. Join Oswal Shen and car prese their co hosting the show and they're both really great. They tackle questions, like how can a is stop someone from joining ISIS. What is a song written by sound like heard that one? That's pretty good everybody. Or maybe what happens to doctors in a, I can diagnose illnesses better than they can really, really cool stuff. It's called sleep. Walkers is is a great guy. I'm glad we're in business with him car's fantastic. You should check it out on apple podcast, the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to step, you should know a production of I heart radio. How stuff works? Hey, welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark Thurs, Charles W Chuck Bryant. There's Jerry over there. This is stuff you should know about people who have really bad luck. Nine of them. Yeah. We can't I don't think we've ever done a full top ten. Let's have we know that, that, that should be our last episode. Yeah, it's like Steffi should knows ten biggest regrets. That's a great idea. Yeah. That'll be the last one. All right. Let's write that there's no, we don't have ten regrets. Yeah, I guess we couldn't do full-time actually, we could probably come up with ten now. We couldn't vid. Con number one. That's a big one. This interest. Definitely up there to number to see we're on our way. All right. Hi feeling pretty good. I'm great, you feel lucky. Punk. I'm pretty lucky person. We'll say that I would agree with that or good fortune. My friends have called me, the rabbit's foot over the years. Yep. So they're always rubbing, but that's. That's mainly for narrowly escaping trouble more than anything. How about a story, Chuck laid on us. Oh, just I mean, I was very famous among my group of friends for getting pulled over by police. Not getting tickets bright. I mean at one point it was it literally happened like fourteen times in a row or something. Over a span of like ten or twelve years. Okay. Happened a lot that I didn't get my first ticket till cheese probably my thirties mid thirties. How did you how what happened is you? Talk your way out of it or. Yeah. You know what you do man. And my brother, always gets ticket, and he's much nicer than I am. But you just gotta be as humble humble humble humble humble as you can be. And if you show the slightest bit of attitude than that police officer in my experience will delight in writing. You that ticket. Sure. I mean, even if it's a sideways look and I basically just throw myself at the mercy of the court on the side of the road and Mike. I'm so sorry officer, I you are you should've pulled me over you did the right thing. I was wrong. And I'm sorry, there's no excuse. Here's was gonna eat these French fries. But you should take them. You're the hero here. They're always a little disarmed, and they're like, oh, okay. Well, I guess I can let you off the warning. I don't know. That's been my experience. All right. There's Chuck advice, right there. Yeah. So you get out of fourteen tickets. So did you forget to the last the fifteenth time? Did you forget you sneak call him a pig? What no. I think it was just one of those things where like they were writing the ticket even before I had a chance to do my little song and dance. And they brought me the ticket and I was kinda like, wait a minute. Don't you know who I am? On the guy that gets out of tickets. Oh, I thought you were gonna say, I'm Chuck from stuff, you should know that means nothing. That's how you that's how you get out on these days. But no. Well, we're talking today about some people who have very bad luck. And, you know, like a lot of these lists usually are just like not this one note of that one. No, this is wrong. I think we tried to do list once where. Oh man. I can't remember which one it was like every single entry was. Like just false. Right. Yeah. Does only the case with, like three of these this time, which I'm pretty that's not a bad batting average for listing. Yeah. In some of these are the word kind of bothers me, sometimes because as is the case will go and get to the first one Ron Wayne, who was one of the original three partners of apple computers, has not bad. Luck. Ron Wayne made a business decision. Have you? That's a good point have ever heard of Ron Wayne before now had, you know I haven't and had I heard his name I would have been like sounds like porn actor but he's not nectar. Oh, no. That was that was another guy. I can't say his real name, though, who. I demand that you say, I'll tell you off Mike. Okay. So he turns out this guy was not a pornography actor. He was one of the three founders of apple. And as far as I had known to this point there. Too founders of apple turns out there were three at the beginning for the first twelve days. Yes. So go back to nineteen seventy six in our way back machine and nerdy, little jobs and nerdy, little Wozniak, our young guys in their twenties, and they had this great. They didn't know that the time. Well, they may have known or suspected, but this this great vision for the future, but they were kind of kids and they didn't have any experience. So they looked to a guy named Ron Wayne, who was in his forties, to come in and kind of help, what they called with adult supervision. Because I mean they were programmers from Atari but yeah, they didn't have the actual business censor, whatever, and it's hard, it's just a. Just a party job at the time, I believe, so. But I'm I had no idea Tari produced apple though. Did you? Oh, yeah. Did a bunch of Atari research stuff for my tech stuff guest spot? Oh, okay, cool. Yeah. We did a history of its Ari two parter. Oh, speaking of guest spots, man, let me just also give shadow real quick sorry to interrupt this little entry, but I was on our good friend John go forth. And our new friend, Brent's podcast hysteria, fifty one recently a nice. Yeah. We talked about the fair me paradox really can our. It was awesome so good. Check that out has Syria. Fifty one go check that out. Okay. So plug out, right? So we're in nineteen seventy six was, and jobs, have recruited one, one, Wayne, Ron Wayne to be the adult in the room to help with engineering documentation, and it was actually Ron Wayne who who drafted the very first, apple contract and said, you know this. What they agreed on. He does make it up which said how much everyone is gonna get? He got ten percent. Two jobs and Wozniak's forty five and he even created the first apple logo which was not the logo, we know in love now. It was a like a woodcut style thing of Isaac Newton under the apple tree. Not that it's terrible. I disagree. I think it sounds ugly so rambling the well, he was very, very quickly was like, I know this is my kind of place thought it was a good idea. Like with these guys are doing. But this company in a garage, Steve Jobs keeps taking acid during the middle of business hours. Did he really? Yeah. Well, Steve Jobs. So he was pretty cool from what I understand. Sure. He runway was like, I, I don't I don't think I fit in here. Also, apparently, he was worried that he was going to have to pony up for, you know, whatever business debts. They incurred. I think that was a big deal. And he was like, all right. I'm out. I'm out because he was an adult. And he was like, I've got a house in like a real adult human. They're gonna turn to me, certainly when they do. So he he cashed out in twelve days, twelve days after they established their contract. And the contract was kept by Ron Wayne actually, and we'll get to that in a second, but he cashed out for twenty three hundred dollars two hundred and thirty thousand you say no two thousand three hundred which is still today. Worse less than like ten grand. Yeah. And he didn't even get it all. At once you got eight hundred right then, and then he agreed to take fifteen hundred later and that was nineteen seventy six and nineteen eighty apple went public and everybody involves became an instant millionaire. Air and years later, it hit the trillion dollar Mark for valuation. And all the while run, Wayne get to watch the company grow and grow and grow and realize that he'd sold off ten percent of the stake in the company for twenty three hundred bucks. Yeah. And apparently, if he had held all those stocks he'd be worth close to a hundred billion dollars. So he, he takes issue with that. He said he probably lost out on tens of millions. Yeah. I mean, I guess it depends on what like you can't you can't go back and do it all over again. Like, Eddie money says, right? I guess there's always the thing of, like, well, yeah, but he always maintains I would have gotten out after that, before the big cash in any way, probably. So, I don't like to look at it is sort of a loss, is what he tells himself, basically or else, I would have gone totally insane a longtime ago. Yeah, but he did. Apparently, he wrote a Facebook essay and said, I probably would have been around in nineteen eighty and gotten some pretty good change. And I think regrets it. Yeah, he said had he known that and everybody was going to become a millionaire in four years. He definitely would have hung in there. But he just it's hindsight's twenty twenty you know. Yeah. And the cherry on top. Here's pretty interesting, though. You said he kept that contract that very first apple contract that he drew up. And he kept it any auctioned off in the early nineties four, how much five hundred Somalians five hundred dollars and which happened not bad. It was just a piece of paper. He had hanging around. Well, sure. Somebody turned around and auction it off years later in two thousand eleven four almost one point six million. Ron Wayne now that one's bad luck wonder what he did though with his life. He wrote essays on Facebook now. I mean Betty. Did. Okay. Yeah. I guess so Steve Jobs. Okay. But doubt if he like, you know. Got a got a low wage hourly paying job. I don't know. He became Eddie money's tour manager things worked out. Then it every time any money saying, I want to go back and tear down, Ron Wayne's face. That's right. So I think we should move on. We're gonna leave Ron Wayne, because my hat, also, we should definitely tip our heads to anyone who faced adversity like this and was like s happens. Yeah. And has had tipped to run wing for that one and Hodges did not have that kind of experience. She is the only person as far as anyone knows the only human being in the history in recorded history of humanity to have been hit by a meteorite. I'm laughing and I shouldn't. Well, actually she didn't get that hurt. So that's why feel okay laughing. It's not like it fell on her head and killed her. It's November thirty nineteen fifty four in Alabama and eight point five pound meteorite came through her roof bounced off of a radio and hit her in the hip. Yeah. It makes you wonder like if she had been you know where the radio was this wasn't like a bounced like a ricochet. Yeah. Ricochet. I mean how much worse would things have been? Yeah. Probably dead. There's a picture, read it of her just randomly. We'd already picked this episode and sort of researching, I saw a picture of her bruise on read it, and it was pretty nasty pretty nicely. Little bruce. Yeah. But that was about as bad as it got physically. So she was laying on the couch, a meteorite came through her roof hitter radio. Oh, hit her. And she became almost immediately immediate sensation because we're got up very quickly, that of women had been struck by a meteorite probably the first and only person ever. Yeah. And, and that's super rare like it's rare. It's rare for meteorite to fall just in an urban area where people live or suburban area where people can say, no, I would call Alabama urban. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's just not usual like usually meteorites. You know there's a lot of water on earth. Usually they'll just land in the ocean somewhere. So it's big news. If a meteorite hits anywhere near people much less hitting a person, right? There is a, a meteorologist Michael Reynolds, told National Geographic get this. He said, you have a better chance of being hit by a tornado bolt of lightning and hurricane at the same time. Then you do a meteorite. I'm not sure how he actually quantified that. But. That's one of the better quotes. I've read no while. Yeah. And this is where it gets. This is just so America, and USA is there was a court battle between her and her landlord because her landlord was like that's mass space rock. Because his my house and Hodges is like, no, that's my space rock because it hit me in the hip, right? And they went to court and Hodges, actually one and got to keep that sadly, ultimately valueless meteorite. Yes. She's, she's settled actually she ended up paying the landlord five hundred bucks for the right to the rock. But by the time this was finally settled two years later, they found out that nobody cared any longer. It was old news. So nobody wanted to buy the meteorite and you might think, well, okay. It's not clear that anyone would ever wanted to buy the meteorite to begin with not true. They've neighbor just down the road who had just the tiniest little piece of that space, rock and sold it at the time. This thing was a big media sensation and was able to buy a new house and a new car from the proceeds. So the Hodges were like, clearly we've got these space ROY. We're going to cash in, we're going to by the state of Alabama with the proceeds, but two years later, it was totally valueless and, and Hodges actually had just, just kept taking turns for the worse and ended up dying in nursing home at age forty nine after having a nervous breakdown from the, the whole ordeal. Man. It's very sad. But that meteorite is on display the Alabama museum of natural history. And I hope that there's at least a small placard that memorialize is her, Shirley, there is right. I would I would hope so. Yeah. Which that, that would be a nice thing after a string of bad luck. It's pretty bad luck. Should we take a break? I think we should. All right. 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Simple and seamless on your own terms with cutting edge custom search tools, they make it super easy to find your perfect match apartments dot com. Change your apartment, change the world. John. Chuck, I have a tab bit of anxiety about the Beatles. I have anxiety about this just because it's so rotten rough, I feel so bad for this guy. Well, here's the thing before the break, I called former. First Beatles drummer, not former first, but former and first Beatles drummer Pete best unluckiest manna music. He's been called that that's not true. Either Pete best didn't have bad luck. Pete best didn't have good shops. Oh, is that what it was? Yeah. So okay was. Okay. That's totally different. I thought it was I didn't think it was bad. Luck necessarily, obviously didn't jibe with the group. But I thought maybe it was like he had to walk around being like I've terrible personality, and that's why I'm not a beetle or whatever we'll we'll get to that. So let's go back in time. Pete Best's in the very early days of the Beatles in the nineteen fifties when they were known as the quarrymen his mom, he was a drummer and his mom had the own something called the casbah coffee club in Liverpool cool. And she was she was cool. And she was very like ahead of her time as far as the Liverpool music scene, very much out in front of it. So it's the kind of deal where like, well pizza drummer, and his mom owns a. A place where we can play I Gotcha. So he's in the band. And it's good. Because now we got a place where we can gig. And we gotta drummer that's that can play. Okay. Handsome. That was a big part of it was he? Yeah. That was a big thing over the years. What was rumored that he was kicked out because Paul said, he was too handsome. And he didn't want any competition. Are you is he still around? Yeah. He's alive. Okay. I'm not gonna say the next part then. So. He he was enough. So I guess, at the time, the Beatles by by the time Pete best was kinda brought on. He wasn't like officially brought on as a as like the Beatles, Beatles as we think of today, whether it was like four of them, there's, like rotating bunch of drummers, and Pete best was one of those drummers, right? Yeah. But he played. I mean he was he kinda sorta like when I rotated and stuff, you should know early on a little bit. Like those still a rotation going for a short time and I think and then everyone else just went away. Right. Like Pete best played like eighty something gigs with the Beatles pre Hamburg. I think okay. And then they took them to Hamburg, which apparently was a big big turning point for everybody pay like eighty shows a week in Hamburg. I saw a great quote. They said that the enhanced Berg is where the Beatles, like really started to become like the needles like they coalesce into a ban. I saw that they arrived wearing lilac sport, jackets trousers and. Left wearing black leather jackets jeans as where they learned sex drugs, and rock and roll. Yeah. Pete best wasn't into the drugs, though. Like the other guys. Oh, really? So that was a problem. Sure. It's a buzz kill. When the one guy in the room, it's just sitting there staring at you judgy. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's kind of a buzzkill, I would guess, right? Yeah. Yeah. Probably, so I think they're all I could do in speed back then. Oh, sure. Because they were playing literally like six or seven shows a night where they really playing that many. Oh, it was ridiculous. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So he was in a group called the black jacks before that, though, went to Hamburg, with the Beatles, and then right after that the Beatles go back to England in nineteen sixty two and they were just about to go into the studio to record their first singles for M, I and legendary manager Brian Epstein called up and said, sorry, bloke, the boys want you out and it's already been arranged. Yeah. Meaning like, don't even bother in yet done, which is said and people took a pretty hard from what I understand, for Horb in a horrible twist of irony end. Working at the unemployment office, but working there now hanging out there and by this time like he had made a name from self around Liverpool as, as a beetle the reason why he's called the unluckiest man of music is not because he was a beetle at one point in time, but that he was a beetle at one point in time. And it was kicked out of the band a few weeks before the Beatles blew up. Yeah. And almost makes you wonder like did they blow up because they moved on to Ringo. Or was it like that was just bad timing? Well, I mean, here's the deal. Their interviews out there with both John and Paul. There was always been the rumor like I said that Pete's handsomeness threatened the band that is not true. Paul is on record as saying. Like, you know, it's just something that happens early in the days of bands like ring, we were just really struck by how great Ringo was Pete best set out one gig. Because he, he was sick or something Ringo said in, and they were all dislike while, like they all felt it, and it was just sort of that magic happen where they're like, oh, boy, I know it's got to happen. John, for his part said, you know, they had nothing to do with his looks he said he was just kind of a crap drummer. I mean, he was John was not the nicest guy in the world. So he really kind of through through it all on the table and it was like he wasn't a good drummer. He just wasn't. He was a good first drummer. And clearly it was time to move on from him. And it was mainly because his mom owned a place where we could play Katcha not very nice got should know. But I mean that doesn't make him unlucky. No, he didn't have the chops. And you know, he I mean he's, he's reckoned with us on article from last year where he was like he never spoke to the other three guys again. And he was like, yeah. Me and Paula love to sit down and have a scotch and talk about it. And he's like the doors open. Really? Yeah. I don't know if going to do that, though. Maybe not he was on Howard Stern Paul was in Howard was like, do you ever just going to write him a check to set a guilt voided Paul to? He's just like no, no, no. He did get royalties though, later on when the Beatles anthology came out because that included stuff from Pete best. So he ended up getting some money. Hey made out. Okay. I think the lesson here is don't ever get sick. Yeah. That's the key everybody. That's right. So we're gonna go from nineteen sixties Liverpool to over to the New Orleans area where they have hurricanes supposedly, they have a hurricane party, every time, the wind blows of heard, but they actually do have legitimate hurricanes, and those kids can do a lot of damage as we saw in two thousand five with Hurricane Katrina by the time. Hurricane Katrina rolls around a woman named Melanie Martinez was on her fourth house having been destroyed by hurricane. Yeah. Previously George in nineteen ninety eight one in nineteen ninety nine hundred eighty five and Betsy in nineteen sixty five head destroyed her house by the time Katrina came round, but after Katrina everybody, re learned their lesson, they're like, okay, we've been taking this way, too and sushi, like we need to really actually, like protect New Orleans from flooding from hurricanes. And so the federal government stepped in the government Louisiana's Tipton, and they really fortified New Orleans. So that years later, seven years later, actually, to the day of Katrina, making landfall when Isaac made landfall New Orleans held up. It was a pretty big hurricane, but it, it whether New Orleans, weathered unfortunately, in little tiny town of Beth, wait. Just a little south of New Orleans, which I thought south of New Orleans was like the Caribbean or the Gulf. I guess there's a little town called Beth way, they did not fortify this town and it so happened that those we're Melanie Maher. Tina's bills, another house that proved to be her fifth one that was destroyed by a hurricane. Yeah. This is truly bad luck granted all of those houses were in the, the same flood plain. But it's like it's not like everybody's house was destroyed every time like this was truly bad luck to have five houses lost. Right. And this last one before Isaac, she was selected for an ASC reality show. Hideous houses got a twenty thousand dollar makeover, brand new kitchen, new appliances in a new sewing room. And apparently that episode aired just a few weeks before Isaac came around destroyed that house to and when they asked her in two thousand twelve like why do you keep building here? You know, it's like everyone else. She's like this is my home. Like I wanna live where I was born and raised and this is my home. Can you imagine what that phone calls, like it's like, hey, I'm a producer with hideous? Houses in your house has been selected to be on hideous houses. She probably applied in works. No, I think they just go scout. Your house. Now, I'm sure you apply. Now cherries from show to show so for that last time with a hurricane Isaac in two thousand twelve she and her husband and their pets. And Melanie Martinez is elderly mom barely escaped with their life. They had the hammer through their roof. They were trapped in the attic. Yeah. With the floodwaters rising, they had a hammer, a whole into the roof and climb out where they were rescued Yemen cheese. At least they got out they did. But if the thing that makes it really bad luck grow. Quick choke is that Melanie Martinez said, she would never have stayed around for that hurricane. She because of her elderly mother, she wouldn't have risked her health. They got stuck there because her van broke down. Well, but you got out, okay. You know, I mean, she couldn't save the house. So it's true. It's very sad. All right. So this next one is, this is pretty remarkable whenever here about people that are heard stories like this over the years, where people were had the bad luck to be in various places where like terrorist attacks have happened more than once. Right, and this couple this British couple Jason Cairns Lawrence, and his partner. Ginny, they had this happened three times. They were in New York City on nine eleven right on a just a regular holiday there. So that's number one, a few years after that they went vacationing in and their very own London in July two thousand five and just a day into that trip was when the suicide bombers attacked the London underground, which was horrific. They don't think they're in the underground at the time. But I imagine at this point, they're like, all right. What's going on here? Years after that in two thousand eight they're like, all right. We're going to get outta town again. And this time we're going to Mumbai India and another terrorist attack when the luxury hotel was was attacked and the railway station and one hundred seventy four people died there. They were all three of those all three the three biggest terrorist attacks in the west in the in the twenty first century, they were there for. Yeah. The deadliest ones at least, and they thankfully survived all three of those. But I imagine after those three trips they're probably not going on vacation very much anymore. They built a pool in their backyard. And they're like this is what we're doing from now on. I can't imagine. I really can't either to tell you the truth to we take a break. Let's take a break in. We're gonna come back and talk about some more hard luck cases after this. Okay. Have you ever wondered how the smartest marketers cut through the noise? I'm Bob hitmen chairman and CEO, vi-, heart media, and on my new show. Math and magic. I'm sitting down with the day's most gifted this ruptures. But when I did this people thought I was crazy. They're really no other rules, aside from, you know, no full frontal nudity. Go out there and do it. I don't like to follow the trend of iheartradio is number one for podcast. But don't take my word for fine. Math and magic on the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcast. 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As a matter of fact, they may spit when they say the name Alexander Graham Bell, because they very much believed that elegant Graham Bell, stole the idea for the telephone from Antonio Mucci, who was an Italian inventor who seemed to have invented something very telephone, like least a few years before Alexander Graham Bell, supposedly invented his. Yeah. He actually filed a patent preliminary Petten that is in the US five years before Bill for what he called the teletrofono, which is a much better name than telephone. Do you think so? I would love it. If people are like your tillage Ivana. Let me see. Tro, bro. See there a love that. So it's mutually. He definitely realized that you could send sound over electrically activated copper wires the eighteen thirties. He knew this and he started kind of messing around with it. In one, one time, he created basically a telephone between his workshop and is his wife's bedroom, because his wife had been stricken with some sort of paralysis and to be able to communicate with her without having to go in and check on her all the time, he basically rigged up a telephone this is in the I think the eighteen eighteen sixties in New York, right? Yeah. And even debuted this invention to the press, but he didn't speak English in the English speaking press in New York didn't speak Italian. So it was really just covered by the Italian press. But this guy in, in eighteen sixty gave a demonstration of his telephone. And again it wasn't until eighteen seventy six at Alexander Graham. Bell got his patent. And like you said, maybe he fell the preliminary, Pat and I looked into this, you know what those are. Yeah. So the preliminary pattern is basically this, you pay much lower fee to basically put a hold on your invention. You say this thing is coming. If anybody else starts sniffing around with their own invention. You let me know, and then the patent office will give we'll give you three months to file a formal pet in, which is again more expensive. So the, the idea is that maybe she didn't have enough money to file a full patent. So we he placed a preliminary patent and didn't have enough money to renew it. You have to renew annually and Alexander Graham Bell swooped in. Yeah. And here's the thing, I thought, well, I mean, there have been plenty of inventions, where people working in a vacuum came up with a similar idea with similar technology. Sure. But maybe. Actually shared a space with Bill. That's when I was, like, okay, it's not a good look. For bell for sure. Yeah. And then I did a little more research, like did Ella Andrew Granville steal the telephone. And this was this is not news. And I saw an article that was like, yes, he stole it from Elisha gray. And I was like, who while he's the one who supposedly went to the patent office? The same day within hours of bell to file a patent on the phone in Los out. Yes. There are several people that claim that Bill. It was not his originally DEA. Well, Mucci actually sued bell. Yeah. And the case made it all the way to the supreme court. But then she died before it was resolved, and they threw the case out very sad. But the house of representatives in two thousand two voted on a resolution to say, yes, Antonio, Meucci is the inventor of the telephone as far as we in the US are concerned, what I saw what I referred to earlier that, that. I was wondering if his image have been reformed hit. He has extensive notes about his invention that he would have had to falsified and that apparently have been scrutinized by historian. So if he was a fraud. He was a really methodical fraud. That's one of the complaints with Elisha gray. Is that the, the sketches were like virtually identical degrees? Really? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Well, we I think we need to do at least short stuff in Alexander Graham Bell. Yeah. I think that could be a full epi. Okay. Epi. Yes, full epi pen, right. And you're all right. Like the time you get stung by that be you remember then no harrowing. All right. So this is this is actually kind of fun because I like it when the bad luck isn't like super like devastating to someone's life. And that they kind of roll with it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Costas mitsotakis. Definitely rules with it. Yeah. Nothing bad happened here. There's a an annual lottery in Spain that dates back to eighteen twelve called L Gordo. It's a Christmas lottery, and it's a big big. They call it. L Gordo's, the fat, one because it's a big big fat payout. And it's a very very much tradition in Spain. And in two thousand eleven the jackpot was at the time the biggest ever at close to a billion dollars nine hundred and fifty million bucks. And there's this little town called Sodexho and people in this town, is that a tally? No. Okay. I didn't say so dead, though. It was close. A little flair. Okay. So in so that. Oh. Residents air would pool money together, sometimes by their lottery tickets because it costs twenty six bucks a piece it's not like going down and buying the don't even know how much blotto costs in America's in like a dollar. Exactly. Sure. We did a lot of sewed back in the day, didn't we? I think we talked about Al Gore to win the lotto episode because I recognize the name. Yeah. Yeah. L gordo. So the tickets for twenty six bucks at least in two thousand eleven and this town pools, their money together, seventy different families all chipped in, because times are tough and they didn't bring further own ticket, and they won. They did win this town of like simple, farmers, whose backs were kind of up against the wall from the economic downturn you reference. Apparently, there were also experiencing a prolonged drought to everybody's a little tents overnight had all of their money troubles. Just go away every single household in the town won a minimum of one hundred and thirty US dollars one hundred thirty thousand I'm sorry, up to millions right? Like if they bought like full full chunks of the tickets from this lotto. And so all these people like, rode their tractors into town on Christmas day to celebrate that they had all just won the lottery. All except one guy, Costas Mitsotakis, whose house was not visited by the people selling the lottery. Tickets for the town fundraiser and who didn't buy a ticket as a result. Right. He lives a little bit on the outskirts town with a woman, his romantic partner at the time, and she actually bought in, in one hundred thousand American dollars. No, I guess it was one hundred thousand euros. Okay. So yeah, it was about one hundred and thirty thousand American dollars. Yes. So she won and hated not. They're not together. Now, I don't know if that had anything to do with it. I'm not saying it does. I think they had already split up. Okay. But at any rate, he didn't win any money, but he's a filmmaker and he was like his quote, was it, it was really a gift from heaven as if someone had given me the perfect script. So he decided to make a documentary about this town and about this lot win about these villagers. Who apparently did not change their ways much they all still live, very simply, and they all still shared lots of family in a single house, and it was really kind of heart warming. And I read article from just like a year and a half ago where he was supposedly finishing it up. But then I never saw anything about the actual documentary said I don't know if it was ever released or finished fully I also read that he made out. Okay. He'd been trying to sell his property there for a while. But because of that comic downturn. He couldn't get rid of it and right after somebody bought it from him. Well, that's good. Hopefully at full asking price, you know. Yeah. And he seems guy he was kind of, like, you know, I didn't buy ticket. Yeah. What are you gonna do? Make a film about it. I guess S happens. That's right. So hat tip to Costas Mitsotakis to. That's right. So Chuck it moving along. We're going from Spain to right here in Atlanta. Yeah. Do you remember the ninety six Olympics I do? Because I was on a road trip out west my friend, and I that's when we took our like two and a half month trip and Volkswagen van and we're like we're getting out of Atlanta for the Olympics, you did not miss much. Yeah. I remember everybody in Atlanta, who owned a business sunk tons of cash into their business to revamp it for Olympic fever. Yeah, no one left downtown. Nobody. Yeah. They just stay downtown. But what are the other things about the ninety six Olympics aside from, like, one of the most mediocre, maybe actually just outright bad opening ceremonies pretty bad just remember being on the road in a cheap hotel room in New Mexico and seeing stainless steel pickup trucks, and I was just like God, what's going on? That's so Atlanta's hotlanta right there. Yeah. She's in addition to that, the ninety six Olympics is also remembered as the centennial Olympic is one hundred years after the first modern Olympic Games nineteen Ninety-six, but really more than anything. It's remember for the Olympic park bombing which is a huge deal and this is I mean it was memorable because it was a big deal like the this was a act of domestic terrorism here in the United States was at the Olympics. And it actually could have been way worse than it was. One one poor woman from I believe Albany or Leesburg, Georgia died. I think a cameraman from Turkey died from a heart attack running to the scene, but, like one hundred people were injured, but right before that bomb went off, it was a forty pound pipe bomb filled with screws, and nails and all sorts of projectiles. There are a lot of people standing around watching a concert by Jack Mak in the. Attack at, like one AM in Olympic park and had they not been moved by a security guard. Name Richard jewel surely more people would have died. Yes. So Joel sees this backpack. Again, this is now a backpack on the ground. Like everyone would be like whoa, whoa was doing there. See something say some of these see something say something. Yeah. Ninety six it was just a year after the Oklahoma City bombing. It wasn't like this was on. Everyone's mind at the time. And jewel said, hey, I think we should get out of here. There's a backpack on the ground something smells, fishy, and I don't think he meant there was little fish in the backpack. Sorry. And he got people out of there and alerted authorities, and they started clearing the area pretty heavily in very quickly Richard jewels on the news is a local hero, national hero. Yeah. National hero. And everything was going great until all day, he was looked at as a person of interest. Thank the next day. Yeah. Apparently the AJC got a scoop from the land of PD that the feds and everybody were starting to wonder if Richard Jewell wasn't the type of guy who would plan a bomb in order to put himself in a position of being here, a they were like he fits the profile. I remember all that stuff going down. Yeah. And it's crazy how you can see somebody differently when people like paint them a certain way, you know. And like he just looked like that mustache. What's he I with them? Assessors is our little beady, aren't they he'd been charged with impersonating office or so he's clearly like a wannabe cop? Right. And he looked really. Bad. And then finally in October, the F, B, I was, like Richard Joel. No. Now we cleared him. He's not a he's not a person of interest as Shirley, somebody else. But by this time Richard Jewell's name had been drug through the mud and associated with a major act of terrorism at the Olympics in the United States for months before he was cleared, and it was the damage was was very much done. Yeah. Of course, everyone knows the real bomber was Eric Rudolph again. You know, those four months were really rough on jewel in his family, and even after he was cleared on October. It's like like everyone knew he was cleared, but it's still one of those things where like it's attached to his name, you know. Oh, yeah. He entered he went from the suspect face to the late night, talk show. Monologue joke phase. Yeah, that's not a good transition. No. It is very sadly, he died in two thousand and just the young age of forty four from complications of diabetes. So he had it rough he got, like a settlement from CNN in New York Times, for, I guess, over zealous, and unfounded reporting. Maybe it was it was he, he did not have a great last part of his life. All right. The last one folks, breaking news. Josh e mails me about thirty minutes where we record our so instead, by the way, the number one guy on the list is a fraud said he may be fraud thought you said he wasn't fraud. I'm trying to see away here. Okay. Sorry. It's not proven that he's a fraud because well, we'll get into all okay. Yeah, what's his name, celek? Fron Frano frontier. See lack fronnie everywhere else, I saw FA, R, N E, I don't know what to believe anymore. No. We've just lost touch with reality Charles so he has been dubbed. The luckiest man in the world, for supposedly surviving seven brushes with death ranging from a train going into an icy river, two cars going off of cliffs again into icy rivers cars catching on fire cars plunging off of cliffs like so much stuff that you're like Ken this speech through, especially. The plane crash that went down where he supposedly was sucked out of a door and landed on a haystack year before the plane crash, this real semi of it. So here's the thing, all of the starts in, I believe two thousand five. He buys a lottery ticket wins like a million dollar million euro lottery, and that happened that definitely happened. Okay. And he was interviewed by the Scotsman newspaper, the Scotsman and in this article, he's like oh, you think is lucky that I want a million dollars. Let me tell you about some of the unlucky things that have happened to me. And he starts reeling off these stories of, like just narrowly escaping death and the Scotsman's like, wow, that's fantastic. We're going to print this, and the Scotsman printed, and all of a sudden it started getting picked up by other news outlets and other news outlets and other news outlets. And then finally in one of these articles, there was a commenter who identified himself as Friday. Celek son who said, hey, not one single journalist has ever independently verified a single one of these stories. This guy's actually my father, and he is always wanted to be famous, so when he was interviewed for winning the lottery, he saw his chance and he made all of this up. Well, if it was an internet commenter, it must be true. Exactly. That's why I was showing because it's like is that the only place you found that. Yes. But the point remains correct? It is never been none of it is ever been independently verified, so it's not entirely it's, it's entirely possible that the he wasn't on any plane or in a in a bus accident or that his car crash. It's not verified that he has been hasn't been clearly shown that he hasn't been. It's just this guy makes a really good point that the studio. Everybody says is the luckiest man in the world. It's possible he made it all up now. How can we not get to the bottom of this? What do you mean? While I mean, we found out the world is flat in that they faked the moon landing through research. Why can't we found out what happened with front celek, like you and me specifically or anybody? Like, surely this. You could find this outright. Yeah. I guess you could I think no one's going to the trouble of doing is a good story that everybody likes it's not really hurting anything for him to be lying in for the light of be perpetuated. It's more just a kind of laziness among journalism. I guess including us because I didn't go get to the bottom of it. I didn't go independently verify any of his claims. Well, I did see an article that is that where you saw it at all. That's interesting dot com. No, I didn't see it on there. I don't I don't remember where I saw the article on the look go ahead. Well, there was an article that talked about the fact that. The mentioned the comment or whatever in the doubts. Yeah. I think that's become kind of thing because there was a viral a viral video that, that made the rounds that was really, really interesting because it's just a cute little animation of this guy's story in his life. And I guess I saw the thing about him being being a possible hoax on BBC. If you put BBC together and all that's interesting. You have legitimate fact. Right. And I apologize for looking at my phone right now. But I'm doing real time investigation, and apparently some people have googled in these plane crashes in things aren't documented. So it sounds like it might be it might be false claims on a now. But even still it's a great story. I mean just the fact that this guy made up all this load of Bs sure, during an interview pretty hilarious. One of the great improv comedians of all time. Right. It's a good way to end things too, don't you think I think so? Well, thanks for joining us. Everybody thinks putting on your smoking jacket and your house slippers. Putting on a nice Barry white record and relaxing with us. I hope you feel relaxed. Now, do you feel relaxed Chuck? I do in Jerry does, obviously Jesus. I know. Well, if you know, more about the unluckiest people in the world is go look at stuff on the internet may or may not be true. Who really cares? Right. Yeah. And since I said that it's time for listener mail. I'm going to call this one sort of an older one that I'd forgot about so apologies to Jessica breslin told her, I would read this a month ago. Hey guys loved the recent episode on rape kits but wanted to make a tiny correction about how the Golden State killer was called. Although there was a time that the golden killers DNA was part of the backlog, the DNA had actually been identified and linked to his crime since the nineties, the problem was they had no person to compare it to this change in two thousand eighteen when they compared it to DNA submitted to a familial DNA base, when relative submitted their DNA to the famille DNA site, they were able to see that the DNA was related, and from, they're able to narrow down their suspects to, to likely family members after narrowing down to those two, they're able to defy their suspect collected sample of his DNA to compare it to the Golden State killers hovers still get proof on my testing backlog kits still so important, you never know what sort of technological breakthroughs we'll help law enforcement catch. 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Roleplay Retcon does Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull(s) Ep. 2: No Filla, All Villa

Roleplay Retcon

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Roleplay Retcon does Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull(s) Ep. 2: No Filla, All Villa

"Role playwright kind is not on any part of the movies. We ret con nor are we associated in any way with the artists who made them. Also, while we're not the rowdiest bunch. We are adults goofing off. So we may say some things that people wouldn't want their kids to hear previously on role play red con does Indiana Jones and the kingdom of the crystal skulls, Patrick goes landing in is Irish American. He is real rough and tumble Jacqueline. Z's catchphrase this week really sums up most of his character, and that catch phrase is I'm no about planes and snakes. I'm really on a Jones, I name myself after my dog you guys if it hasn't been a period of apparent are in World War Two. Y'all are currently in Paris, during the liberation of parish now that you see him in a good light, and he has never German wrapped around his throat. He is your little buddy shore around. He's all grown up money comes Joe. Edmonds, I'm a with the office of strategic services here for the Rb joined with a Steven Lucas, my second number here, and George Michale from the m I six from our brothers across the pond. The curious thing is he didn't steal anything except for one item. It was a check my notes. Here was uh, some sort of crystallized skull, supposedly, there are thirteen of them. But, you know that four are currently in the hands of the Germans, we have an expert Esperanza Rodriguez. Now Jones what we're having you do is meeting. Esperanza Misra Rigas in Spain where she's currently waiting for you. Or the rain stays mainly on the plains. Ben made a mistake. Ben made a terrible mistake. That is now a soiled this whole podcast. We cast it Indiana. Jones, Frong Lee as possible. As Clive Owen? Mona mona. I remember a time when you were a Clive Owen superfan. I think there was a time in everyone's life when they were Clive Owen superfan. And then. And then it went away, just just like Clive Owen. He was. Shoulder. My knee jerk reaction was to be like I can still give it up to Clive Owen. And like think he's terrible choice for Jones. But honestly, the more I think about it, man. What's he done for me lately? No. I'm for it. But we're not we're not changing it we're not changing that's been choice, his terrible terrible choice. But we do we do need to cast the rest of our people here. We forgot we got excited about the, the adventure, the blood pumping, so Jenky give us give us who is playing Esperanza Rodriguez. Esperanza Rodriguez is being played by Zoe Saldana, Donna. Yes. Very popular. F. O latina. Ticket ticket ticket ticket Mona who for Joplin's a have you have you thought into that? Mike, Mike Myers. Was not was not expecting that. I, I you know, I just realized now that I was going to have to do that. And I was searching through. And man, I landed on that, and it was. It's so right. It's so right this Mike Myers. I wanted to interject mine for, for Patrika Flanigan being paid by Patrick Duffy. Just just because. Because of the, the Patrick thing, that's the only thing I mean, Patrick Duffy, definitely has, like, like he must have like Irish ancestry, right? Probably was his name is Patrick Duffy. Is that Irish very, it's very high-risk? Who, who do we wanna play my name? My name is Patrick Duffy. It's. I'm TV's Patrick Duffy. I'm very Irish. You know. Awful. Who do we wanna play George Michale are British M I six okay, joint axel? Excellent. I guess we did set a precedent already. Never mind. I'm not going to say I wanna I wanna hear though I had like a real answer. I didn't have like a joke answer. Okay. Well, it's just so there's this in the actual in Jones of the crystals co movie that's in the beginning, and he's like old. British guy that was like, in the war with Indian, I actually liked that character, you know, this is the same character right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Does kale, then I kept him in. Get yet because he was like one of the good parts of the movie. I liked him. I don't know again I, I think maybe I like the actor. Very good actor. So I tell you what the been I'm gonna give you the sacred duty of casting shore around. Party just one of the like heaps original actor. But I guess he's not jump Jonathan Kwan. I'm going to be honest. I don't I can't think of any like what's it? No Jesse helped me who's good like K pop star that could play. Korean? So. Sure on himself as Chinese. Oh, he's Chinese. So then go Jackson, wink Jackson, wangle Chinese, and he's a k pop store we're going to do that. Who it is? But I trust jasmine on this matter, like particularly this matter. And I think we already said that Reggie's being portrayed as a python. So we've got that by by Andy circus. Yes. And he circus playing playing the pro. All right. Enough foolishness. Oh. Well, how are we gonna podcast then like, oh, you're damn you. Just wanna move onto the next been the nest. The next scene. Alright. So y'all make your way to the airport in Paris, and they give you a plane just well free free plane will. Yeah, I mean, this is a very important mission, and they want you to succeed in it. So they're going to give you a plane to fly down there, dabs. I'm calling on the driver's seat. Everybody. Don't, don't try to five before it. Jock linzie. Give me up piloting skill roll jock older. You I am. As it say, here, do I get to pick because I'm going to say like somewhere around like sixty five or seventy if I get to pick I know that the actual Jack Lindsay was much younger, but I won't I won't all moustachioed white-haired wispy jock linzie. That's definitely what I'm hearing. Okay. Yeah. Well, I mean he's definitely the same age as Indiana Jones. Maybe a little older. But by this time, Indies Innes forties. I would think yeah. Why feel like Indy would wear it. Like a younger person though. You know, like I don't know. He's Indiana Jones. I may just be a few years older, but I seem older. Plus, he's, you know, been been chugging off that grails. He's got a few years, banked. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Also, just real quick, my Binny's invitations. Are they back to normal or wounds? Everything is reset yellow back to full health. Anybody that took damage during that, that major major offensive. Okay. Now piloting roll the dice next to my piloting, but in there. That's it. All right. I'm going to do it over here this piloting roles. You look like you're fine. Yeah. I don't think I got hurt I rolled an eight man, I highlighted as pretty good. I think you actually did you got your old and eight so that is enough for success and a raise? Which means you do it so. Well, y'all get their little bit early. I'm going to apologize to my Spanish speaking listeners for I do not do well, with the Spanish language that don't quite have the vernacular. I was told that I never learned how to roll my RS, and this is a true fact gonna poets for English. Speaking listeners. We don't really roller ours. Too much. Thank you. Thank you despite the frog in my throat. I think I'm doing. All right. He sound great. Alex, thank you. But anyway, you arrive in the city of tro hill. I think we said it was like Trujillo right trail. All right. You're I've in the city of Toronto to fine with good, though. You did did I. Yes, it was really good. There's an are there. Mhm look at that and you roll it anyway. You, you arrive in the city throw hail to find Esperanza Rodriguez a waiting for you. She's younger than you, expect for an expert in ancient Mesoamerican culture in the cult, and this is the part where Jesse is going to hop over and take control of Esperanza Rodriguez Jesse, once you describe your character for everybody here. Okay. So Esperanza is in her mid twenties. Very young. She is afro Peruvian. And she's got very. Distinguished features beautiful, dark skin, black hair. She wears glasses definitely definitely. She usually dresses, pretty comfortable. She likes to get out in the rain forest and do lots of research on ancient civilizations inside and yet, she's really smart. She's good with a gun, and that's spent on Russia. Feel about snakes. She's cool was Knicks. She sees them all the time in the rainforest group in Peru. So she's fine with them, because, you know, a Jacqueline Z always says. Oh, that's right. Everybody. Time for Jacqueline's these official catchphrase of the week this week, it's not snakes. Why not snake beautiful? Their growth. Describe her properly. Picture. I was gonna say, fantastic job at came out, more fundamental job, which I think both are true. I'm going to mitt that I've been calling her as Morella on up until this point. And I was corrected just now and. So I'm definitely like having trouble not imagining her as Morella from The Hunchback of Notre dumb. So that's what's going on in my head. I mean but honest one hundred percent I thought as Meriva from netra bound was Esperanza. So I've been the same way. Yeah. All right. Welcome to the same boat. Were in Alex, I know. Right. Graham peasants, not Romanian so far guys. This is true. But y'all y'all meet at the airport. Brawl handshake for me. I did it was great. I'll be dexterity with professional yet, amicable. I'm going to need to see that role. Do you want to oh, really going to make me do this? If you put it out there, I'm gonna make it. I mean you could have just like let me know ma'am. Look. I'm looking for it until you said, dexterity this other. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. My bad. A five five passes, you, you take her hand almost delicately. Yes, but masculine -ly. Chuck to doctors, the six does jock shake the hand. A little better just one point better. Does he does? He gives it a little bit of a kiss on the back of the fingers. Hell yeah, not the palm, not the back of the hand. But the fingers will will Indiana Jones like kids jock dislike side. I and he six her hand again. All right. Another five. Excellent. Esperer would you mess with perfection on, how do you feel about all this hand touching and such? Hey guys, thanks for shaking. My hand multiple times and kissing it house ago. Forty. Right now being honest. My name's Indiana Jones myself after my dog. Nice to meet you. Dr Jones, what? Did use bronze at you've definitely heard of, of Dr Henry Jones junior before I ask for him specifically you did evacuate. I'm so happy to meet you, Doug Jones. I asked specifically I have read all of your dissertations, and I think that you are just the person who can help me uncover the secret of the crystal skulls. The one about the. Like the mud men. Yeah, I wouldn't was extremely was rating, but. Brought up some great points, some alternate points of view that their treatment of them is terrible. Agreed. Agreed. End accent. You're giving India, right? Here been monumental are men. They are they are, they are men just like me and jock and the other guy that's with us, Patrick. I think. Uh-huh. It's obviously, the mud women, which you seem to be carelessly leaving of work. Sure. Nice to meet you as well. John was nice to meet you too. Needs to be excellent handshake, you very much. I have a, a plus eight shaking hands. So it's a hard train skill mine, put a lot of practice into I tell I tell you who my favorite person shake hands. With is must snake snake friend, Reggie here. She's been my best friend on every flood I ever took, you know, funny thing about snakes to accommodate their narrow body, snakes paired, snakes paired, organs such as kidneys appear one in front of the other instead of side by side. You know that pretty crazy. I'm really glad that I put this character camping before we started. Alex, you're like only got four pages of notes. I hope it's enough and like, feel like we're gonna be okay. We're gonna be all right. And Patrick wasn't. Oh, yeah. Patch wait with guest could just talk to themselves. Also Indian, did you say you named yourself after your dog? My dog's name was Indiana and I liked that maim. And so I made myself after my dog, what's the third movie late? Could you name your dog though? Yeah, what's your name the dog? Well, it was sort of a. It was sort of got there may be some actual cannon as to why. Sure it was a family dog that was named before Indiana was born. Right. Yes. Nope. Nope. I wanna point out again that my parents did not naming after a dog I made myself after named yourself. Yeah. Did your parents give did did he have a name before that? If. Just call you boy before for you named yourself getting really confusing. I know that's crazy statement to say. Until after my dog third movie. It's all there. Just watched my third movie, one hundred percent believe you. Just doing my mind. The you're talking about my father named me COPA last crusade. Sean Connery's in it. There's a magic Cup. It's great men are all. I think it's a lot of people's favourite. Honestly, this is Alex retaking. It rains sorry. Sorry them. They yours do any of you have any questions for Esperanto before you get underway. Why did you why did you want me? Oh, aside from you thought I'm great. But, like, how do you think can actually contribute? So the reason that I picked you specifically because I know that you have done a lot of. Actual hands on experience in ancient Mizzou American in Incan ruins. And that's that's that's Pacific -ly where the crystal skulls come from, I believe. So your ear the prominent scholar in your field. So naturally, I picked you did. Did you not? Do you not still do this kind of thing? I'm so sorry. Are you retired? No, I don't think I'll ever retire. But. Perfect perfect why I think this is going to be the best job for both of us and also jock. And Patrick, of course, I know me best part of this are the seven seas and where the Kyoto snake to be having as many of Reggie why not snakes. Let's niks. I'm having a lot of fun role playing his character. I'm glad I'm really I'm really lead. I have another question. But I want someone else to ask one, they need to. Well, I guess it's just I guess it's just jock. Patrick is a person stetchered vector is a person, and Patrick is formulating his accent, as we speak. No. ABC's are second class citizens. Oh. They don't have souls. Wow. Wow. Unlike God with I made my. You have a why not snakes? Thanks. Have you have? Okay. I do have another question for you. Why why are we? Happy to meet you. I'm sorry. I just had to just had freak out a little bit there continue, please. It's fine. Why, why do you why are we? So concerned the Nazis have these things. Okay. So that's an excellent question. Indiana jones. I'm so glad that you asked first of all we believe that the crystal skulls have immense power. The Nazis will use this. Here's what s bronze knows about the crystal skulls. I'm just gonna air Jackson. Keep it from from you having to, to spit ball here. All right. Thank you. Eight skulls retreated by mezro American cult whose name has been lost to history. Do the other cultures in the region kind of like trying to destroy their legacy because they were some real bad dudes, the skulls theorized were used in a ritual for immortality knowledge of the gods. The cult believed the skulls held the key to unlocking the powers of time and space. Time and space immortality knowledge of the guides. That's why I've been Nazis want them. And that's gotta keep them out of the hands of the Nazis, any other questions mutters under his breath. Don't ever learn. Do they? No. I did read your, your passenger seating novel on the what was it the altar? Yeah. As a novel, though, of course, it was, it was fiction. Right. But he just had so much truth in it. It was it was amazing. But that is exactly why we have to keep the real power out of the hands of the Nazis. Also, if I may be so bold. You look so handsome in person than on the cover of your book. Okay. Anyway, continue sorry. On that is that that portrait. And let me tell he's better. Fly in drawing is I'll say. I'm better in flying than everything. Sorry to make a character toys for you. There. Pollen row play rat cod. The great experiment. I'm also a terrible swimmer. However. All right. Aspirins a explains that she's gone permission to search the villa of Pablo his RO, one of the conquistadors who accompanied Francisco day or Yana in his map, making mission of the Amazon river, according to her sources bizarre returned to Spain with a mysterious treasure. That might be connected to the skulls. Yes, base time powers offer me, but some treasures might be nice just just be careful what you put your bag Jack. Okay. During this character. Right. I feel like he's kind of a jerk to everyone in all the member watched him now. Yes. That's pretty good. Actually, I'd say that, right? He, he is a lovable jerk. Yeah. I don't know if somebody was like treasure, I feel like Indiana Jones would be like, don't treasure belongs museum. And also it could be cursed. It's cursed a lot of the time it doesn't belong does, and it doesn't belong among the Nazis belongs the people here. Wouldn't say Indiana far Mr. putting him. He's a yeah. He put it. He'd put an American Museum where American people can look at stuff. America, america. Okay. So. Yeah. Telephone. It's GM. All right. So you guys make your way outside of town to the small village right outside where it is said, the villa of. Pizarro is located. As you make your way through the streets. You see the villagers have staring. God is, but they keep to themselves mostly. These guys have some pretty gone is, but they keep to themselves mostly. Terrifying. What are they afraid of? Everybody give me a notice check. Indian esperon. You guys are just beeline for, for the villa. You have no notions of what's going on around you jock on the other hand, Jackson says going off either going crazy. Reggie. Reggie seems upset. What's, what's upper edgy? As you get near the villa fewer and fewer people are around. In fact, the buildings around the villa for about a thousand feet are deserted. Many of the buildings are falling apart from decades of neglect. You're the ruins of the villa, you can tell once that it was once a prominent, and beautiful piece of the region's history. But now it's just a few lonely, walls and piles of bricks. There's a subtle smell of decay in the air, everyone give me another notice role. Hey, why we're doing that? I have a question for you. Answer my question, what do I have some like resources that I'm allowed to have in pursuit of this mission? You have pretty much everything that's you New York Queant, but I mean like. When people like if I get into some to Goshi Asians here in a second. Would I be able to be like, hey, allies can like get you some food or something? I mean, we're, we're not gonna worry about food this. Food notices in a row to notice to roll to Rosa to this best bad. Wow. What's, what's the what's the red square around? John sees around really failed. Oh, that, that means that she rolled a one. It looks like on both of her roles crit fail. I have a bonus a notice. So it wouldn't have been a, a solid one. I think you actually say something like, oh, looks like the whole town's deserted. It's a shame to its place. Looks like a used to be nice. But it's awful beat up now. But jock. And as Morella Esperanza God damn it, Ben. You notice that the area around the area that you've just walked into is completely silent. Like the inner village. There are no animals here, not even birds or insects. Esperanza is going to stop in her tracks and look around more closely. She sent his something's wrong here, and she's going to kind of hold her hands up so that the guys will also stop. Do you stop? Yeah. I'll snap. What is it? I'm not sure something feels, there's no people or animals. It's completely silent here in. We're in the town centre. Right. Doesn't that seem weird to you guys not so much as a bird? Can I? Is there like a closer notice investigation or something that I can do to see if I notice anything happening? You can investigate the surroundings with the investigations kill do. Sevens pretty good. But what she notices that there's just a lack of things around that it's completely dead silent. It doesn't even see you don't even see tracks for animals on the ground. Like like nothing has been here to disturb this area in years. I'm going to relieve that information to my mates, and perhaps we should. Continue with caution. You can seem the main houses walls are mostly intact, but the roof is completely gone. So this is your basic. Spanish, villa. It's a very large manor house. The forest has been cleared away a little bit from around it. It has fourteen rooms. That yell can explore. Yeah. That's the this is the is the main entrance like the foyer, I guess you see on top of the stone stairway, a set of wooden doors that are starting to rot away. Their busted open. Yeah. Can I sort of just like peek into these doors here, just sorta, you can? Well, the roof is long rotted away. So there's a lot of sunlight in here. What you're looking into is a large for you. With a large hole. The wall is broken away to your right. And there are a few more doors along the way which way do you guys think we should go? Well, four something that is perhaps very valuable and even possibly supernatural. I'm sure that it's probably not right here in the entrance. So maybe we should delve much deeper into this place. Whole you don't wanna jump down. All right perfect. Let's jump down the hole. Let's look in the whole we're going to do this by turns. Okay. As you step into the foyer here, the floor creeks violently. You notice that the war is quietly leaks. The floor is completely made of wood and. Along exposure to rain and opposite sunlight is probably gonna do some very bad things, non treated wood over the span of hundreds of years. So you might wanna be careful. Yes, I would like to carefully go over to the whole, I guess. You creep over to the whole. You are just fine to that point. But the whole is impassable it reaches down into a seller that is far far below you. And there's it doesn't seem like there's enough of alleged to jump over to the, the other door across the way. Do I have a link going? Like I got torts flares got a rope. Just wanted to throw a flare down in there. Get some line in what we start jumping out of the whole. I'm keeping that. I'm not gonna let you throw that all thank. Thank you. I'm gonna lie to flare in down in their drop. It down in there. And you watch it go, go. And then it goes out. Like I don't see the bottom, like maybe you heard a splash. After a good twenty foot drop. He's sort of mutters, like it's not a basement. You are not a basement. I feel like that's my turn. Yeah. Let somebody else go jock. How about you, you, you take again or in their if you'd like? A male goose. Gufang. I'm gonna I'm gonna come in here and I'm gonna go the opposite way of Indy. What you see, head of you is a crumbled wall. You can see into another large room with some wooden tables. There's also a door over to your right to doors retire. Right. Actually. I'm going to open the door. Right. Most from me to this number three room EBay. It's like a quarter circle room. You opened that door. Do you step in? Are you going to stay out the door here? I'm just I'm just looking through looking through the doorway. You don't see anything in that room. It looks like it's just an empty storage room. What do you think can open this one more door with my turn? What opened this other door to? Door into the room just south of that, and you see a few makeshift beds. They're almost rotting away. Got some old ratty beds in here. I yell back down the hallway. And then that's probably crystals. Yeah, there's about four five propped up like the lane in the beds adventures over. Let's go home. They like turn to a flying saucer. Flyway. Does not happen. No. S Brown's what would you like to do? Okay. I guess we're splitting up. I'm going to go the opposite direction of jock. So I see the whole in front of me. I'm gonna make a left and go down this little hall. You see a door to your left and one directly in front of you. I heard kitty new debt here that cat. I'm going to open the door to my let Pekan peak in to another small room. That is completely empty. Empty rooms can I pick in the room? You peak into that room and is full of barrels and crates. Okay perfect. I know what I'm gonna do by external barrels. The role. I love a good barrel. What would you like to do? Oh, yeah, I get to. I'm going to go into this barrel room, but I won't steal Veron's us thunder. I like to open the door to this other the other door inside of the barrel room to go to the left here into this into the Lennox room. Okay. You open the door and you see what looks like? Servant's quarters. No. I don't wanna, like, investigate the like I don't, I don't want to investigate beds. I'm gonna wait till you find something interesting. I'll give you this one for free. Look at that other door over to your right down the little hallway and it seems like it is covered in stone, and wooden beams blocking that door off, essentially the falling apart. Bob Vila up here via joke. Everybody. Respect back to me. So. See there's a bit a rebel, and I'm seeing the wall into this other door. Right. The does that rebel look like it's I mean, how high is just like kind of Walker stumble over it, or is it like kind of you can get over this rebel? This is not very high rebel. It's a there's a hole in between these two rebel stacks, where a lot of the rebels falling away into the basement catacomb situation. Okay. Okay, I'm gonna try to climb up over this rubble here into room seven. Voting the whole what you see in here are too long. Rotting tables. There's a brazier in the corner. It looks like this was once dining room but not much else of use here. Go out. I'll make my way over to the edge here and open this door the door on the Senate room opened the door. Esperanza. Let's go back to you. Okay. So I'm going to go into the room with all of the barrels such going to investigate. An investigation. Investigation. Ten. Oh man. That's a good one. So what you investigate from these barrels and crates is nothing. Oh perfect. That thing I roll the ten bucks. You get a whiff of something that has long, long rotted. And yeah, it's real bad. So when I investigated the whole room, I also investigated the door and beam situation. And with such a good role I could tell whether or not the beings were holding up inning kind of structure or if they were like recent run. From good role. I will not make you roll spirit to see if you vomit from that very bad thing that was in the barrels. Oh. You're welcome. Investigate the over there. Investigate the beams. You can you can try that. All these other schmucks open like two doors at a time. Is some nice leisurely five that time? Would that five you tell that these barrels or these, these beams, rather, well, not structurally, important would be very, very hard to move. Can I tell if they are more recent than this was definitely unnatural collapse? Okay. Got it. All right. Andy. Yeah, I guess go hang out with jock. Okay. Junk. Move your way down there. How's it going? Andy. You still got that snake? Of course, I do ever wear go say Hello. Reggie. I'm not doing great you what a hug, Reggie loves hugs. All the way to my grave that counts actually. Yeah. She's a on its Joe. I love that job. Because my favorite one. What would you like to do in this room, there, Indiana Joe, right? I'm gonna move on from this room. What's going on? With ten number ten down here in the southern of that's just leaving. Yeah. That's just a side door. Okay. That if you'd like. I see a little a little wiggly thing over here on the map is that a snake? It is not I don't know why not stay. We're just we're just gonna ignore the wiggles there. So you've opened the door and you've moved up there. Did Indiana here at terrible moan. Give me an Giladi roll growth. That's not good. They're indie. But was it three three better than the floor gives way under but threes, charm now three times? Now, you do have a chance to spend a bendy here to save yourself. If you'd like. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see the first Benny of the game. Do it. All right. So with your. Alon you to add plus two to any rules. You make with when you spend bendy, so make this jelly. Plus two. I got ten as the floor gives away, under you leap across to the other side. And do not fall. Down into the cellar. And then he says, I'm going to old for the ship. Ron movie. Jock. You hear a very loud, crash going to the on that hallway where Indy just vanished, dammit. India we were doing pretty good. What'd you do in there? I'm exploring. How I do it, Dan. That was a very good Indiana. John sign that is exactly something. He would say. Hey kids, Alex here. Sorry to interrupt your thrilling thrilling adventure. That year listening to this had a few ads and thank you. I wanted to get through and, and let shell know about the first two ads and the only ones we had this week come from my wife Janette. 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Elephants, if we're being on his tear, though, the Ken, right? I thought right? Nassir is for the only things in the world. The only mammals with legs couldn't jump. I don't know where you're getting your information, but. Better. Check your sources. It's such a good snake fact for this moment, though, I can't find it. I cherish these, these snake facts, basically, they have modes, they have like modes of movement that they have that allows them to get over different terrain. Did they turn into sprayings in sprawling out? I don't know if that's a real thing, but I know they turn into springs role. Oh, I mean, some of them do jockey, you, you can get over this whole pretty easily is just the surprise that kind of took took in end to it. Is there anywhere else you'd like to go? Oh, let me pretty long Longhorn, or down here with a lot of rebel. Yeah. I will. Although. To here and then I'll open the store. There's a there's a door door the corridor, and I'm gonna open that door to your left and it's just a big empty room with table. Let's pass back to us. But. Do. I also hear all this. Commotion going on did hear faint kind of crash on a lot of yelling, but you're pretty far away. All right. I'm gonna kinda start making my way that away, you make your way over that way. So I'm going to get here. And this. Kind of hole in the ground where there were there was some structural damage that they just kind of went past. And I'm gonna peaked out in the whole does it look like all of the rebel that has fallen into the whole has made any kind of stepping pass something. You can't see down there. It's completely pitch black. Okay. Can I keep going then? You can even get all the way up there to them if you'd like. Again all the way out there to them because I like, hey guys what happened over here. Messed up the floor. Pretty sweet jump that. I don't I have missed out on. Oh, I missed out on the cool jump of Indiana. Jones. It's fine. There will be more coal jumps. Keep it together. Okay. Let's keep looking. Right. So jockey licks in that room there to your left. What's going on in there? Not much going on in there. It's pretty empty okay? Well, I'll go into this room on our right? Then. Say you open that door and you can peek in and see a few more beds table. Looks like another 'nother servants quarter when hop over back to Indiana Jones. Just gonna keep a keep on truckin forward through this. There another barrel room ahead of me here. Yeah. All right. Go north UC, a whole bunch of barrels, and we'll say very large hole in the wall going outside. Yeah, I'm not going to open these barrels. I am not going to open these barrel now. Right. I mean, unless any of them, just say like skulls, five on them like, well, it seems like all of the language that would be on there is in which you can read, but it is. Kind of worn away. Okay. Nope. Not gonna open them. Still gonna open. All right. Jock. What would you like to do? I'm going to go to this door to go in into this room, that s s ferenza opened. Charge into that room. And you hear a lar- very loud crack give me an Jila T Rowe boy. Here we go. I was jokester. A five you just barely like you're going. It's hard clip that you go right over this thing before it just collapses. Made it still counts. In my like right next to one of those beds. Yeah, you're almost in one of the beds, Jack does like a Jack has like a physical comedy thing where he liked Lance next to one of the beds is, like good, grief in climbs into one, pretends like he's going to sleep. Aren't as Rhonda. You watch us jock us right through that doorway and makes a giant hole in the ground as he flies into bed. She is going to slow clap. She's so impressed. And the skilful way that he accomplished that and so can't you hop over this whole that he has created this is a pretty big hole. Marbey. You can try to jump over, but I'm gonna have to get a role from you. God. If I fall, am I going to die? It's possible it seems like it might be a long drop, and who knows what's down there. Do you ought to borrow by rope? Yeah. If you want to toss it over here. That'd be nice. Maybe hold onto win end. All right. Well, I guess I should probably somebody turn. Maybe. No, no, no. You can tell. I hold onto one end of the rope and throw the other end across the camp. All right. So to make this Gylfi rural s Peraza you're gonna make it with plus two. You got over there. Thanks. But I'm not in here with with old jock Lenzi. Reggie, ed. Reggie, you are in there with reading. In fact, the rope that he hurled you was not a rope. In fact, it was Reggie. They, we is Reggie, I'm okay with that. If Reggie was okay with it. Reggie were you okay with it Reggie nods? He I Ready's cool with it. Reggie was was he, he feels like you do this a lot. Just in general thing. We've it's like a trick. It's like a magic trick. Boeing. My Reggie is a girl. I think the Reggie in the mood. Boy, I well, I've been, I was just thinking, how, like Red Sea would be like a really great name for like an eighty s popstar lady. So it kind of go either way. Yeah. I just think of Reggie from rocket power. Anyway. Okay. Thanks jog. And Reggie, I appreciate it. I see in this room beds, and a little table. And to my left is a squiggle that we're Norring into my right? Is a door? Let's the door open the door. You open the door and you see two more beds. But they're quite lavish beds, perhaps this was the master bedroom at one time. And Anna Jones. Let's go back to you. Okay. Can I hate so Esperon? What was in a room, eight there, though, at the table, I guess, like a million miles away that true. And s bronze it didn't look into that room. It was jock window, John, Chuck. What was what was the deal with I room? What? Fine. Motive what was the deal with that room, the room? We're in now that a game Benjamin fair enough. That was real bad. Okay. All right. Can I get over the rubble to give from where I am to roommate or is that a wall rubble? No. You, you, can you can just if you climb up on there, you could probably see into it. I wanna know if anyone went to a really I'm trying to remember, if anyone went to room nine I don't want to room nine okay? Yeah. Except wasted a lot of time trying to toys time we're saying we'll waste your time. You're good. Waste time you want this other people's time are wasting. Yeah. I'd like to try to get to room nine here, the above this room with the big table. I guess. Can get over there? Squiggle squiggle on your map make me made me nervous. I they were there when I got the map, it's not my fault. Well, you always make stuff happened at them though. Why not stakes? Flipping a coin every time I walk over one of them, you enter this round room or no? Finally, a half cylinder. And it looks to be kind of a study. There is a desk in desk in front of you. So searching. Can't search a ruined this? I mean you can if you want to get over there and investigated, I do very nervous, though, I go go investigate this. Go investigate this desk. I'm doing that thing. Do that. I guess I'm going to open the drawers look on top. See anything on top of the best strolling investigate. I okay. That's what I was waiting. I'm good at it. I mean you already to Indiana Jones all three though. All of it so much, why? All right. You see a desk. It's quite ruined. You don't see anything in the drawers up top. Just looks like a desk to you, man. I just really thought something would be here. Hey, maybe one of you guys come in like just, you know, give it a second. Look, just like you know not a person. Say something and do not that big of a house. I feel like if I shouted that could hear me you have to talk in the same room and you know it. Propel or sort round where are you? Around or outside watching the door. Cool. Okay. That's fair. That's very good. You. They felt like they were gonna get forgotten if they didn't stay by the door. You guys come out. All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna come wreck the floor in this in this room with the lavish beds. All right. You hear allowed creek, of course idea, but nothing happens. Thank goodness. I sure do wish I did my crawl into bed after jumping over a chasm bit in this room. These seem a lot nicer. Those other one's pretty gross. It's actually not bad. These places are user filled with, why are you, are you talking? S Ron's jock. If you wanna both kind of investigate this room, I will allow you to our all. But it's I have a four. So if we are investigating together, do we get more investigation. No. Because you are not that acquainted yet. Oh, okay. I thought I rolled that. Okay. Well, I rolled at thirteen so. Covered the spread. You are just a Namur with this disintegrating wall hanging. It's like it's a picture of a bay with a vote on it, and they're birds flying over this boat. And they're just something about speaks to you personally is painting this kind of a joke there about, like a bay and like slips like bays slip on or something, it's gotta be something there, right Esperon. On the other hand, you figure big empty room, only two pieces of furniture. Let's go stupid around that furniture. And you find behind one of the beds. Kind of strange hair of dials on the wall. But you get at them. Doc helped me move. This. Thank you. Have you seen this praying? It's beautiful, but I found dials over here. So, maybe if you helped me move, this thing we could get it the dials and then you could go back to like the painting, you know if you wanted. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm just gonna bring it with me and healthy that. Oh, excellent. Why wouldn't we just steal? The painting off the wall drags it one handed across the room and give me. Give me strength. Check their and jock. Gladly give you a strength check. What's that sound is jock stealing? A painting. Austrian story. Oh, strengths. Check. You're, you're the GM Portsea. I bet I. That have extreme. My. Yeah. Put over your head like link. The ten that's very good. I don't know if I spell zella games like link decides that he can't let something unless it he can lift over his head like, that's right. You can't do it by hams. Sorry, what were you saying? I have the painting with me now I think I'll feel much better. Oh, good. If we could just maybe move this big bed. All right. I helped move the bad do I need another strength. Yeah. Let's, let's get you both role in a string. Ken again. Some good all muscle. This thing just away from the wall. Using my role having although I did roll what I I mean I rolled radical. I vessel lowest number where we've seen this round. As you lock eyes with these couple of dials cycling starts as you lock eyes. With these couple of dials dials there is no, no, no. You're locking is with them. You're looking at our eyes are locked on them. But they know is in there. Okay. I mean like is okay. Something starts to buzz in your head. Kind of like the aftermath of being too close to an explosion. I use a ringing trying to what a low kind of like. And I noticed this you do. And in fact, the closer, you get to the area the ladder gets. Doc, are you getting this to you? Both are. Yeah. Feeling a little weird. Neared going on here with all of my extensive knowledge of. Things such as this have I experienced wherever heard or read anything like this happening. Definitely not read anything like this. I have no idea what it is. Clueless. Let's grab these knobs though and give them a turn. Why not? The dials, it seems like they're two sets one is smaller and end late into the larger and they have eight symbols on them. Symbols, look like assembles in the larger dial resemble skull, a castle, or possibly a city, a ship a river a bird, a tree, a man and a sword. Hang on. Those are all things in my tapestry. Are they? We're actually in the. The outside. What, what was happening on the inside on the smaller dial inside set with, with Jim's of some kind or possibly even even precious metals. One is gold. Another diamond one is blue. What is black one is green? One is red one is purple. And one is white. Those were all colors tapestry. All right. Cliff enroll that tapestry. If we can figure this out. Tafs three unroll the tapestry onto the floor. Looks like tapestry. Yeah. So I looked, I looked to see if, if indeed has all of the things that were pictured on the dials and it does it has a ship is the prominent thing in the middle. Seems like it seems like the ship is Brown Keller actually not at all. The river. Is a bit of blue and green. It's got some moss on it. There's a, a flag on the ship has a skull in it. White. The man is holding a sword that a silver. He's pointing toward the shore that what looks like a city that has gold. And there's a few trees around that are green. The birds flying overhead are red. That's everything that was on. This seems pretty pretty cut and dry. Let's, let's put the pictures with the colors and see what happens. Yeah. Let's do that thing before we do that. Let's go back to Indiana Jones. Many m Jones, what would you like to do? I think I. Why think I'm gonna leave? I'm gonna leave this room. I'm gonna go to the eastern part of the, the manner here. I thought about this joining them, but. Did some weird several twenty second? I think I instead, a I'd like to move to a room fourteen this eastern on the Manson here, as you do bump the desk. Okay. And you hear a thud. What's this? I wanna like I wanna like feel around where I like her the like where what part of the deaths that I hear the back around the desk to where you were you see a panel has fallen off an inside is a chest. The harry. It is not a hairy chest. I guess I'm gonna I'm gonna very carefully like I, I seen of raiders carefully, open. This chest. Open the chest. Yeah. All right. Take the test, like lift the chest out of its cubby, or whatever here it seems like it is, is, is locked into place. Yeah. I'm just gonna see if the lid opens. Okay. So you start to open the lid and you hear twang. Oh, god. Roll me and agility, minus one. Minus one. But very I'm quite I don't know if you know this Alex year not. It's gonna be great. It's going to be so good. I really hope it is. It's a four four. As you hear this twang you instinctively jerk your hand back as large bear trap device snap. Shut. In front of the in front of the chest with large large spy e at it. Hey someone. Hey, one of you come open. This chest now reason. Well, you do that. The, the trap is sprung and you could possibly just open the chest proper now. Oh, god. I would like to work my nerve and trying to do that. Okay. You very cautiously creep toward the chest. Your fingers alight. So soft on the lid. Fairy slowly start to lift the lid. There's a loud, creak God, and then nothing happens inside that chest is a wrapped piece of cloth that reveals a map is threat piece of cloth map, or is there a map in wrapping cloth? There's a map that's wrapped in the cloth. Okay. Me a history, check. Can I give you a magic and mystery check? Have a mast magic and mystery check. But you can give me history game where you run in here by the book's one it. I'm actually trying to find history, whereas history, its second row bottom under additional skills. Have you checked your we'll flow on that one? Ill still good air. It is. Okay. Still good at it. You should be pretty good at, at your Indiana. Jones, did you tell me to give modifiers? Or is it just? Okay. It's a three. All right. I view plus two to that Wroclaw. Right. Con. You notice the map is a very crude very old map of the Amazon river. Okay. I feel like what's really happening here is you really need this to go this way for the second time and like it's not happening. It might be more that I feel bad that nothing's going right for you. So I'm giving kind of. Kind of funny. I just like the Indiana Jones is having a very off day in this manner. Was this long river, that's specific shape? It's so long. I don't understand what it is rather tip my tongue like it might be the longest river in the world. I don't know. It's an amazing river though. It's really good to the other two. I just guys really tickled myself. Ben good job. You're so good at jokes, lose jobs. Well, that's why for the best because you'll just laugh and laugh and never any the. Move the dial you want to move the dials. Yeah. Do you think that's a good idea? Oh, yeah. Jocks way, jock was ready to just spend the dials randomly now that we haven't they Esperanza give me a. Give history rule plus to all your history roles. Ten man, you got a raise on that, and everything? So what you know about these particular kind of puzzles it's drop away. Puzzle if you input the wrong symbols, too many times. This will drop whatever is held inside the inside the case. Now now. Okay. So maybe we should be a little bit care of maybe should be a little careful with it. So you've got at least two tries maybe third. All right. So. Look into see if I have any can I roll a smarts? Check. Sure to see if I think that I got the right combination before I start spinning stuff. I will give you a warm or cold. Okay. Smarts from role. Smit. Good. So, so gimme gimme you're giving your thoughts on on this. All right. So there's a lot going on. Veasley. In the dials of why coal diamond blue black green red and. That I can't read my handwriting. Doled diamond blue black green red purple and white Pearl Keller. All right. So I've got a silver sword gold city. So I feel like gold sitting that's pretty good. Okay. Things on there. So. Go and ship. Anything purple in the tab history. You do not. The man's not like wearing purple cardigan. The man seems to be colored in black. He's mostly in shadow. And black. I've got red birds. Man, black trees, green blue green river. Probably blew since we already have green trees. Yeah. Now, so. Soared silver's. So maybe diamonds are pretty silver. I guess. You might make that, that jump with three. Okay. There is no Brown. Is the tapestry has it been like sun, bleached a little bit? No. I it seems like it was a pretty shady spot. And it's in this part of the tower, you do know that half of it is missing the bottom half of it. The bottom half as missing. I see. Let's say it was been torn away. So I don't know what the purple thing is while you've got. So you've narrowed it down, though, so that you only have one option on both dials, right? Yes. And it's Brown and chip, I mean purple chip. Any will ura while they're looking this, you can go elsewhere if you'd like? Okay. I, I would join them, but I have not been paying attention to the puzzle. I really don't know what they're doing. Anyways character would know anything about what's going on. What I might run be like I found a map like I might do that. You could do that. But I'm not going to is what I'm saying. I would like to my original plan of going and looking at this east hall, fourteen importing you open it up. And there is a table, a smaller table and bed and nothing else. Really? Sprint sucks. It does kinda right? It's all busted. May not sorry. Alex, your like map of your Manson, your creation of sack like that is a feeling envy has a little secret. Yeah, I got this map off the internet and bent it to my purposes. Good map. It's working so far, the immersion is real here. Yeah. But also all the hell what the heck they didn't even keep care of this. Dang play did not I didn't care for it at all. I just go in like Colin me like Jok Esperon zone. Where are you now that now that he is beyond this giant kind of facade, you kind of start to hear him vaguely, but it is a little hard for you to hear what the buzzing that's in your head. Where where in here? In the you do hear that. Oh. Oh. That's like what are you in here? Go ahead and join them, you can join them. In fact, okay, go help Indy as as you get closer. You started to hear that buzz inside of your head. What is? Oh, hey Andy, we're solving the puzzle. Nice of you to join us. Anything? Oh, the buzzing. Yeah. I don't really know what that's about secret. Like bees about snakes. I think their brain, these so Hori about better. That's way. So what do you got you got what looks like symbols colors and jock stole? Tapestry. That's how these things usually go. Do you need a recap of any of these these puzzle me the short version? Okay. Silver sword. Gold city skull, why. Red blacks feeling. You're trying to match symbols and colors that we have a tapestry that has stuff on it. And then we have to dials and all the stuff on one of the dials is in the picture. It's like a boat and birds and stuff. So which ones? Do you think you've not matched up yet? There's just the one it's ship on one dial in purple on the other, but the ship isn't purple in the painting, but it is in the painting. But it's not purple. Oh, it's in the painting. But it is not purple. Is there anything purple in the painting? There's no nothing purple in that painting part of the painting is missing or part of the ship is just cut off by the framing of the painting like part is full on in the painting. It's entirety of the. The bottom part of the missing. It doesn't seem to be anything that's been cut off, like a partisan. Give me an investigation. Hey, I give you that you can all do everybody investigate. I'm going to do it even though it's terrible. But I feel like Jok would be like into Cawley crap. He rolled you mmediately lock on this thing. Like there is. How did I? Not right. How do they do that? What what you did was you roll the four. And then you roll another four that you've got a one. Oh my God. And then on your wild die. Euro, the six and what acing so you get to roll again and get a five. So that's Levin minus the two from you not being skilled in this. So you go. Gracious. Yeah. So you did you did real good. But jock you can zero in that there was writing on the bottom of this, this particular might have had a legend, or a scroll on it. Oh, let's looks like there's some important information on the map was not really map on the tapestry. Here's been cut off. Looks like there was some words, maybe legend or something. With my extensive knowledge of languages, can I see any? Symbols that look like words that I would know that are like. Have been shredded off with whatever remains of the wherever the remains of this tapestry are. All he sees the scroll work that might pertain to have have words or letters on. All right. So do we think that the person like hit it somewhere? Should we search your round or should we just try and figure this out on our own? What do you guys think or been most places, did you find anything interesting in the other rooms Indy? He pulls out the map and he's like, I've got this does matchup with the bottom of your tapestry. It does not does the cloth. The map came in matchup with about of the street. Maybe it does give it invest. Okay. Oh my God. Indie. You'd better do it this time. What to write? It's. Oh. I'm just kidding. I don't really does. Oh. That'd be real funny. It was super funny. It's like you're like MGM. I gotta get my fun work. I have a new once or twice. Yeah. Yeah. So you lay this out. And take back, one Kaddam. You take back one to in fact, give you get Benny for that. In fact, you all you all got Vinnie for that whole interaction. I like that. I forgot that we have been. That's right. Okay. So you lay out the, the, the cloth there on the ground. And it says, in Spanish sporran Spain. And that's, that's L language that was there. It says the road to Eldorado. Sweet. There are gold on there. There is. I mean on the dials. Yeah. There is. Is a road on on the painting. There is not. Not really had something there. The road to El Dorado is a river. Maybe maybe. Well, El Dorados the city of like milk. And Honey, right. Or is it? City of gold. So does anything on here that says ship purple? There's nothing on the ship purple in here. Have you guys used the gold? But you guys have used the gold the gold for something on the dials used it for city, didn't you? Yeah. Well, that's definitely definitely definitely was the right one. So given look at the, the whole dial set up, you see a kind of. I don't want to call it an indicator, but, like a triangle at the top of it. So maybe you need to switch. Your particular symbols to match up that triangle. Well, why don't you try putting in gold city for by that? I'm sorry. Do do mind symbols have, like like the flag as triangle. I gotta put the flag over the triangle above the dials pointing down, that is where you move the symbol to, to be under it. Joe yet just put in which one is that which ones have the triangle on the dial? The triangles on the wall pointing at the dial indicates which one the, the lock is looking at current. Yeah. Imagine a combination lock little triangle that indicates the number city go it, you put the city of gold. Yes. You hear click? Good. That back. I don't trust clicks mouth. Just under the dials at the floor. A little square floor starts to roll back. Revealing a little a little dention in the four inside is kind of figure covered in rough cloth. Buzzing in your head grows louder. I would like to reach down and like I'm all sweaty, right? Oh, you're very sweaty. And I feel like the buzzing is like real bad is actually increasing the closer, you get to this thing. And I'm like my hand is like really carefully going to. But when I actually get there like ginkgo. As the cloth slips away from the figure, the buzzing and all of your heads ceases. And under that cloth is pure lump of crystal courts shaped into a skull.

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Mount Rushmore of Rock n Roll with Dr Scott

Set Lusting Bruce: The Springsteen Podcast

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Mount Rushmore of Rock n Roll with Dr Scott

"China's ally kind of Set the criteria was number one Was There Influence And Cultural Impact on popular music number two was timelessness of their work slash longevity number three popularity number four their body of quality work and five. I wrote uniqueness. Hello everyone and welcome to a new episode of settlers sick Bruce Your podcast all about Bruce springsteen his music and mostly as fans I am your host Jesse Jackson and joining me is multi visits a member of the settlers thing Bruce Beloved guest list Dr Scott Hey Scott how you doing? How are you doing great? Quake could talk to you. I'll it's always fun to talk to you. We always have a good time and so Since we've talked though you've had a few changes haven't you got a few changes Biggest one of Will back to the east coast after almost coming up on twenty years now now living in Florida And Need to guess to be near my East Coast routes I was. It was calling. Who was calling for me and So that's been a big change But so far really really loving it here. How are the The family adjusting to Florida instead of California. Good Yeah Think it's been an just uprooting family. Yeah everyone everyone's doing great. Thanks for asking. How's your family? We're good we are all going well You and I were just catching up before we hit record. I I am in the middle of job. Search twenty twenty but so far things are going. I've got a few irons in the fire as they say So it's good You don't Linen Chris or doing well So yeah so far. It's it's things are going really well So we figured like Dr Scott and I are like okay We could just talk and be entertained for like thirty forty minutes him and I just talking but I don't know how entertaining it would be to the audience so we kicked around a couple of ideas and he had a lot of great ideas and we'll probably visit them another time but the thing that struck me I is he said. What about the rock and Roll Mount Rushmore? And I said tell me more so Dr Scott. I'm GonNa let you kind of set. The what your thoughts were what were doing. And then share the boundaries. We put among ourselves on how to pick this okay so three years ago on much. Fortieth birthday my Bucket List One item on my bucket list. wants to go to the rock and Roll Hall of fame In Cleveland I shows My closest family and friends all guys trip and we spent a few days In Cleveland went to the rock and Roll Hall of fame and at Dinner. One evening We I came up with this Game to propose to the table and it was so fascinating and interesting that three years later I stole an asking people about it It's so interesting people thought. And if I I basically said okay so you know. We're here at the rock and Roll Hall of fame. Nobody we We were talking before. Jesse. How You know with rock and Roll Hall of fame the criteria so ambiguous and in terms of. Who's on and WHO's not on it. And sometimes we go rhyme or reason. I can name so many groups that didn't get in or still not in the other people who have very head-scratching while they're in But I basically said okay. You have the not rushmore and in your own Mount Rushmore and I own in just getting their opinion but with rounders. Who would be in your not rushmore of Solo artists? And then who would be in your map wash ashore of them and I'm going to stop Air Gun just because I I wanNA talk about this more but I really love that parameters because when I was working on mine before we had kind of set up the rules I was like how do I just pick one beetle? Like you would think okay. She you know John Lennon but really like Paul McCartney and like you can. I put both of them on there. So when you sent the like four individual artist four groups I went okay. You felt my pain from a distance Dr Scott and we're helping me out so continue on. Yes okay so so I felt it was important to also keep some curia of sort to But not limited to but but but give some criteria or else it would be kind of an all over the place discussion and as. I know that we've talked about earlier podcasts. kind of differentiating between Beth and favorites. And this definitely you know the way I asked people to approach. This question was definitely leaning more toward back like who would be in that. Mount Rushmore versus personal favorite. Where you know you they you know Do It for me. That would be too. Ambiguous in two grey So Electron of Set the criteria was Number one was their influence And Cultural Impact on popular music number two was timelessness of their work slash longevity number three popularity number four their body of quality work and size. I wrote uniqueness and some examples of that were you know did this solo artist or band. Did they have a unique sound Performance ability their present stage President The just the the what they call the you know as they they'd be factor Kind of like five is kind of like some intangible And that was that was. That was how I frame dish. And then We spent You know the next two hours and I do think that it is almost impossible to limit it to four people and even limiting it to eight. You realize you're leaving people out. Oh Yeah when you start putting this and you you you list. People you feel are influences. You immediately can get ten without even thinking right you just go. Hey here we go and so I imagine your discussion over a meal. You guys had a lot of give and take right the water of give and take and what we agreed to do was to walk away from the dinner with basically the criteria was We gotta be like a consensus where at least we got some point where we could like. Walk away from the table thing like I can. I can understand that but it was it. Was You know there was definitely some debate? Obviously and also you know a lot of the debates. Were you know just like like you know? Well if this person could be on and how can you not put this person on and also even very similar to the criteria for little rock and Roll Hall of fame is like you know and we'll get to this one when we start process but it's like you know also what really in someone's mind like constitutes like rock and roll or like popular music? 'cause there's certainly artists in the rock and Roll Hall of fame that are are not like certain countries singers Whitney Houston just got Inducted for the two thousand twenty class So dot also interesting but Yeah it was really a lot of fun debates but I will say and just not really a boy. Where per se but Cleveland I switched one of my answer so I hope so for for free. I had the fame the fame. Yes yeah and by the way Teaser Dr Scott and I are going to do a separate episode for our patron only feed where we're going to talk about the rock and Roll Hall of fame latest inductees so if you're a patriot. Member look for that. And we will discuss more about Whitney Houston and a few other things but okay I just wanted to know that Just in terms of the criterium had to kind of make this clear away. 'cause I already like When when when when I start the game sometimes I feel so and even included this in our discussions part of the podcast so Whether or not I take these people I was just giving you know Jesse giving some examples so for the purposes of this like Bruce recounted a solo artist guess Same with Tom. Petty even though the Tom Petty heartbreakers eastern Dan rea and Paul. But someone like Paul Simon on a Phil Collins People who have had you know Been afforded bans or Duos as the case with Simon and Garfunkel had such a careers and are actually in the rock and Roll Hall of fame. for a solo artist and a group. Those you could put uber or yeah. That's really well again. Thing is I sent out on social media both on twitter and facebook and so after Dr Scott. Go through our choices. We have fan feedback. We have listeners back. And so we're going to share that too and I haven't done this yet. Dr Scott but I think I'm going to take everyone's selections including ours throw it in a spreadsheet and then Kinda pick the top four of each and then show that on the facebook page that here was you know but this is what the consensus of the small sample size mysticism. All right. Do you WANNA go first. You want me to go first. We're GONNA do individuals first. You're the you go say okay. You want to do so. Lord let's see Selo first place. Okay so I think pretty much. It's funny all the bands worked out. The bands are probably in order the Lord of of not sure if they aren't border so I guess he's in no particular order number one. I'm GonNa just a minute. He's going to give one and I'm GONNA give one back and forth in that way we're going to discuss about each of them. So that's kind of the format so that's why just as we produce on the air so go ahead you're in no particular order first choice. Is Elvis Presley? Can there is The phrase first ballot hall of fame. And I think you know I think that is in in fact. I'll go ahead and say he's on my list to And for various reasons Go ahead and share a little bit why you picked him. He's the king. You know When you look at the criteria you know popularity Bhatia were. He was so immense. I mean this. Is You know. Preview tools And you know what was little founding with Elvis nothing? He wouldn't not that. There was any any doubt but didn't write his own music Which was also kind of a a one of those intangible factors when you talk about body of work and the whole thing he's just You know but like even to this day. I know that he's like Paul Simon's a hero which a lot of people don't know that Hence the title of his most successful album graceland which actually served as a metaphor for the whole lot project on he. Was you know he when you think of the pioneers? And he he was he was everything you know he You know he was Rebellious He danced in a way yet a stage performance. I mean no one was doing that for him. and It's just To me it's just a a no-brainer. You know yeah he is I think the iconic Rockstar so so tons of records performed live went and made movies. it There are in an alternate world. And I've shared this before. The the rumor was that Barbara streisand wanted Elvis Presley to play the Chris Christopherson part and the star is born remake and colonel. Parker would not let him because He he says Elvis gets top billing no matter what he does and Barbra streisand's people are like no percent saying gets the billing and I often wonder what would've happened because I think not that Chris. Cassava wasn't wonderful but I think Elvis would have acted the heck out of that role and who knows it may have changed the course of his life. We may not have left. Lost Him so early so. I totally agree. Elvis was on my list so absolutely I love the casting. What if factor? You never knew that three. Yeah And also Just from time to time all kind of throw out I of I did I did some research of the top. Fifteen selling artisanal timing terms of album so yeah and I'll be number storage Put in context. Yeah my son Chris on grew up you know very much into hip hop and rap went through a stage where he loved Metallica and we were on a family vacation he was maybe ten or eleven and we went to Memphis and we went through graceland and he became obsessed with Elvis and he you know I mean he just he you know he just recognizes the beauty and the power of that music so absolutely A he would be on my list. Well I'm going to pick one and then we'll let you discuss so. I had Chuck Berry on my list for the reason. Why is I think in a lot of ways? Chuck Berry invented rock and roll. I know there's a lot of discussion you But I think the amount of the guitar playing and the music He performed forever. There're ICONEX songs that he wrote and performed so I picked Chuck Berry One of my people on that mountain. Well he is not on my mountain but if I had a v spot he would be on the mountain. So He's my first honorable mention your of parole for all the reasons that you just said. There's no argument or debate with him. truly one of the pioneers An incredible icon credit again could easily made the list and literally he would if I had a v selection and then the the stories you hear of him showing up that Gig with just guitar and whoever is the band would be the backing band with his confidence slash arrogance. Of course they why songs and they're right. Like I know Bruce in the eastern band early days back Tim up and I would love to see that. That would be amazing. All right. What's your second and that goes back to the future remind you this. Is your cousin loving loving very new? Sound you've been looking for well missing through. Yes absolutely number two on the. Dr Scott. Rushmore is Bob Dylan. Yeah so just so. Everyone knows Dr Scott and I did no discussion in advance. Dylan's on my list to so take it away Dr Scott on your reasons behind picking Bob though. I'm sure the audience is going. Yeah I mean what you know for for people like Bob and Elvis and chuck. It's You Know I. I don't know how much how much they We we have to really get into the to the why. Not a very controversial choice but The most prolific songwriter of in American pop music the most covered artists in the history of Pop. Music Really was it's come a pioneer for say of really the kind of the Greenwich Village Singer. Songwriter error And how do you have of Mount Rushmore without his faces? One of the stunts on Just you know he's he's an icon And the the the body of work and And you know through through the whole bootleg series of also. Just rediscover you know. Just how many songs he had in his vault which is very bruce like and You know the Have you ever read the the autobiography that he wrote? I just brilliant. Now I what can you say about my list? Yeah Yeah Yeah I think it was like volume one in two and a and I mean just horrendous live performer especially in his later years literally. Sometimes we'll hang out for an hour not say one more to the audience. Maybe play one hit song and then leave the stage but So one of my best friends. Sam Who I talk about here. Often is a huge dylan fan. In fact he would put dylan over springsteen and he has seen Dylan multiple times and he talks about that that Sometimes it's a good show. Sometimes it's an aunt show But you never know he goes because there is that you're going to get lightning in a bottle And once Dylan did three days in a row here in Dallas the the House of Blues. So he did a three shows in a row and Sam took vacation day so he could attend all three shows and Any talked about now. You Know Sam seen him fairly recent and he says it's you know it's a pretty the never ending tour. Something is I think what he calls it. He says it's a pretty sure. Set lists but In it but he's Dylan and and I think sometimes like I will pull out song lyrics and repeated as if it was poetry. And you're just struck at the beauty of the words and the amount of beauty and spirituality You know Forever young is something that I just think is amazing and that wish to someone And you know who in this generation didn't saying blowing in the wind in your high school choir right an an an and the amount of people that have covered tongue like that or Hard rain's GonNa Fall Um Times. They are a change in how about I. You know it's funny. It's like you know all be looking music with the Plymouth Song or a show with somebody and you know like there's so many songs that he's written that you know even like like pretty big music fans don't know what People Are Times. I'll say like you know Who Who wrote all along the watchtower it everyone's buckled Jimi Hendrix unless nope right now Who wrote You know forever. Young wasn't Rod Stewart. Now you know and You know it's And like phone like all on the watch tower like that's like an encore song for bands like Pearl Jam and Dave Matthews And you know what can what can what can you say he's just He's he's an iconic figure and lyrically. I we put him and Paul Simon to near are the two best lyricist In popular music. So it poetry. Yeah I'm right there with you and just the idea that We talk a lot about this When you go to Bruce Show. His catalog is so diverse. That there's always going to be a song that Gosh I wish he'd played this one and not just obscure you know besides buried in the third district tracks. I mean there are great songs that other people would be part of their regular set list that he just even though he's doing a three hour show a three hour plus show. He doesn't have time to put it on. So in Dillon would be the same thing are going to give me another one since I have dylan as well okay I know a huge shock. Your where your audience is GonNa have to pause to compose himself but Mr Bruce Greenfee Yeah Yeah So what can you say? Yeah you know I. It's interesting is ill. I would I was kind of surprised at was that when I posed this question to you know my birthday Party crew which was like eight. Guy That there was you know an couple people. There were pretty big springsteen fans the rest. You know you know your average I guess run of the mill. Kind of Bruce Bruce Fan There was no debate with it which I found very very interesting. That is in like Yeah I. I thought I was going to have to get into like you know defensive mode and like you know give a whole you know I'm speech up like why I feel this way and there really wasn't An argument was consensus met. Me Right away You know I I think it's when you factor in You know I think music was going through a real transition at the time and you know obviously the famous cuts in the future of rock and roll and his name is Bruce springsteen quote and When you take the body of work right when you take the people I hope at this point understand is like so many people now coming out and saying that like he is like they're God like Eddie's editor and you know just just recently Dr Scott Jason is villain twitter. Someone said WHO's a someone famous that was or a musician that's helped you. And he said for springsteen and people like what's that story we WANNA that Jason You know he has He did not make my list Just because I I was trying to do not obvious right And and it's what's funny when we read people's comments a few people said this is my personal Mount Rushmore not my not for historical purposes. I really I'm certainly not going to argue with Bruce. Because Hello I do a Bruce Springsteen podcast of you know I don't man's museum I and I'll just go ahead mention. I picked buddy. Holly is my fourth one Just because of the significance of the of what he did early One of the first to write his own music some of the producing the in for the amount of how quickly he is career ended due to that tragic plane crash and the amount of influence he had on the Beatles and the other things this this I think he is one of the building blocks of rock and roll so I went a little more historical than I did. Modern and so I I just when I hear That'll be the day or you know And and other songs I just go this guy. What if he had not died? What would he have done? Would he have been someone like Sinatra or a dylan or you know even a you know a springsteen as he grew in As worked as a as a Paul Anchor someone so Out of sympathy our guests just out of love and kind of a little bit of sentimentalist. I picked buddy. Holly is my fourth person. All right have you to every day. That'll be the day Yeah everything you said is true I can't get argue. It's definitely an icon and Definitely going a little more historical there but again this is like what it's like. The Mount Rushmore Guy would say Just the one thing I just wanted to add about Bruce Because again we could again the PODCASTS. We could talk about him for. You didn't hire time but I think for me Had he not hide and now it's become a kind of a gigantic now coming up on twenty years now. Kind of a resurgence of his career with the rising elbow Where he kind of Rediscovered that Hey I can still do this. Rock and roll thing like I think his it. If it's really kind of ended with Tonj owed What an incredible body of work toll people that point but I think because he's still going strong and writing music like wrecking ball album and western stars and magic and you know and and all the intangibles the greatest live performer of all time And you know His his Broadway show and how many people can do that back. And the fact that he can literally In any country in the world Play to hundreds of thousands of people who know the songs and know the lyrics to every song. I mean just all you have to see his watch the DVD BLU ray of his show from Barcelona. I mean they. You know so But no I- buddy holly is a is a musical icon. Yeah I respect the choice and you know what I think is interesting. Dr Scott is the idea and that is one of the reasons why I I love Bruce is he is continuing to reinvent himself. He is continuing to do different things and So I think you're right. I think that if after tunnel of love you know and he'd gone he you know he took that ten year the dark years and then had not come back I don't know it may be a different but to think about that that they take that ten year break and then come back and you could make the argument. I and some of his more powerful albums. You know wrecking Bom Magic I think Western Stars Are and you're competing against born to run darkness on the edge of town. I mean you know born in the USA. You're talking about massive Albums that are influential and commercial success and you can have the discussion that they stand up. And depending on your your Phantom you may not know. They're going to be a lot of people that say nothing will ever be darkness. I get it but you can have. They won't laugh at you if you try to make. That argument has a lot about his his popularity well-set well said all right my friend. Who's your fourth okay? So my four with when we get to Some of your wonderful fans entry which I had real Such such enjoyment reading reading. Everyone and I wanNA thank everybody also for You know giving their submission That was that was a lot of fun to read It's plausible shocking. And I when we go through them again I'll I can feel if someone had that the list but I- Michael Jackson at number four. I he did not make my list but he. I gave him serious thought. And you know what I like about your and I'm Gonna I'm GonNa read into something and there is a symmetry of you picked to quote unquote classic artists and to modern artist. You separated it with Elvis and Bob. And then Bruce and Michael and I don't know if you did that deliberately but you can I see the beauty of that and Michael is I- conic. That is a great choice. He you know it's like again you know we're not gonNA go obviously down the road of Someone's personalized and you know Ah that was also a factor as is just completely separating the music from the the human being in his everyday life sober not to give it to stop but when you look at his. I mean He. Was You know for a child of the eighties? Which was I mean he? He was the Beatles all wrapped up into one package You know obviously is the number one selling album I think thriller still the number one selling album full time You know when he passed away He had booked. I think fifty shows that he was going to be performing I I saw His show in Vegas Couple years ago and you know probably do about the twenty five or thirty of songs and you get one after the other. It's like Oh my God. Oh my God Oh my God on the guy and it was kind of walked out of there with like I can name like fifty songs of the top had like they didn't play And you know he really when you think of his influence in popular culture on you know the the the most when you think of like MTV Michael and And I I would you know that. That was another one where like in terms of when I first asked. This question wasn't any debate without either And kind of looking at the list of you know everyone entries. We'll have to go throughout I don't I I. I think there may have been one of the person who selected him which I was surprised but to me You know is album sales. His popularity his ICONIC NECE is Performance ability and the last thing. I'll say about Michael is actually had to do some Internet research for this I wanted to know with Michael. Like did he write his own music. Did you write his own Leroy? And what even impressed me more In kind of prepping for this podcast was he wrote. Every song lyrics yet does not know how to play one musical instrument which singer Songwriter Myself. Almost impossible I. It's almost impossible. Yeah and I was blown away and it was also like okay like this cemented now. Like he's like I can't so what he would do is like you would like for example. He would go up through his guitar player in the studio and he would sing every single. No that the tar player should play. He would sing every note of horn section play or a synthesizer he would do it all vocally and I that that looming away blew me away Also from a stage performance aspect and presence aspect mean. Put the one of the greatest just just dancing ability alone Unbelievable and So Michael Michael Michael of my solo artist not rushing. And you're right. You have to separate the personal life but when you think of that motown special when he did the Moon Walker Jean. Yeah we are the world and And we talked about. I talked about this before the you know the Jackson. Five were the Beatles After the Beatles right I mean there were. You could not get You know there were no one bigger. And then when the Wall came out and seventy nine it was massive. There's no way no one at any record company and I have heard Michael did believe this but no one else in the world that said okay. This is going to. We'd be lucky if we get close to hitting what off the wall did much less surpassing it the way it did And the iconic songs And it is just absolutely and a Similar to Elvis a what could have been if not an early death and you know how much more music did he have to make an end to produce so I think a great choice absolutely I I love that 's Okay you've got Elvis Presley Bob Dylan Bruce springsteen Michael Jackson I have Elvis Presley. Chuck Berry Buddy Holly Bob Dylan. Do you have any? Do you have one or two honorable. Mentions you wanted to cover. And then we'll move over to groups. I'm GONNA sit a very very quickly Berry of the mentioned Gave some thought to Sinatra. Not just a really interesting Person Talk about which we can which which we can talk about on when we start kind of a rock and Roll Hall of fame series. But he's not in the Rocco Hall of fame but other people like him who are just you know like singers in performers. Who Never wrote a song? I take someone like Whitney. Houston who I guess. Want shooting get. She wasn't a first ballot. Or but I guess maybe because it was more copy. You know more Eighties video stuff So that was. That's an interesting one which we were. What? What are your thoughts on Sinatra? I mean yeah I think you know I had a similar discussion with Ray Charles. You know like is he is. Should we include Ray Charles For a lot of the reasons Sinatra or Johnny cash I mean Sinatra was everything and And the amazing thing is johnny cash is in the hall of fame. The Cure is all over the place. Other people are considered Elton John. Paul Simon Johnny Cash Stevie wonder Prince. Billy Joel David Bowie Ray Charles and Jimi Hendrix. Yeah perfect choices all worthy I would agree with almost all of yours effect. I would agree with all yours. The two I gave serious thought to because it's an all boys club my You know my four choices and I debated and I couldn't figure out who I would drop but to add either Linda Ronstadt or aretha Franklin aretha rhythm and Blues but Linda Ronstadt in the seventies Was You know rock and roll? She was pop. She won't cover then. She went on to do her the anything she wanted to do. She did I WANNA do covers of classic. You know ballots okay. Let's do it I wanNa do you know of songs on my father from my My Hispanic background. Let's do it. Oh I've decided I want to do rock and roll again and you know what the Neville brothers. Let's get Aaron Neville the sing with me okay. Let's do it She is just an icon. And if I was going to as Bruce said break up the boys club I would be tempted. But I'm like okay. Who who would I drop off? And I couldn't even. She's even on the great one of a great obscure of Paul. Simon Song called Under African skies yes A great duet with Linda And just anecdotally The reason why just the way you are is on the stranger which Billy Joel didn't WanNa put on the album which he creditor for having a woman's touch because I think who like I like number one hit song She was in the recording studio The same according to he was when he was making a stranger and Linda. Ron Sutton phoebe. Snow came by the studio and he played them the song. And they're like you have to put the fall on the go and he said I don't know it's a little schmaltzy at. It's not kind of rough enough. And they said you have to put this on the song and Billy says Oh what am I know and it was like I number one. That's awesome great and then aretha obviously Can't argue with that with Linderoth. You could also say Some people that came to mind just two more were Carole King and Madonna. I those were on my list too because in the perfect choices right because carole king She wrote the early. You know when you look at that So yeah I I absolutely. In fact she was on my list. So Great God that was fun. Now we're GONNA talk to groups so same criteria. I'll kick us off this time. We're not chur dish. I'm not a shocker. But my I was the Beatles and for everything. We'll put up a bold choice. Yes Oh yeah you know when you think about the in years? And that's really all they were is they were such the sixties and the amount of iconic music. They made the amount of influence they had on culture and society and You know because everything goes back to Bruce. Because this is Bruce springsteen right he said the iconic things in his childhood seeing Elvis on the Ed Sullivan show and then seeing the Beatles on Ed Sullivan show. And he's like I wanted to be the Beatles I didn't want to you know And and so I just think that is In like I said certainly not controversial Kind of Duh but it is I mean and one of the major groups that have individual members of the show of the band as well both I and I don't know if all four of them but I know John. Paul are in at As individual performers as well not to do a Google Harris citizen I the the all things must pass. Album is fun. Believable yes and all four of them went onto incredibly Prolific Solo All prolific solo careers And obviously we lost John Too soon. Nineteen Eighty You know it was was. It was a really tough time Kennedy was assassinated. And you know there's this big morning going on at that time and he's he's four guys from Liverpool with these you know. Just stay look like working class guys. You know they weren't these matinee. Looking Hero you know fabricated You Know Stars. They were working class guys And I think that you know that Ed Sullivan show the influence that you've mentioned how I'm Bruce I. It's it's it was people like you know Bruce. And and and billy at an you know who who literally watching it and said I can. Do you know like they they they. They write their own music. They sing their own songs. You know it's it's it's just they are they are perfection and when you look also you know like one of the groups that is not on my list. I will talk about. Why like for this reason They they don't stay in that you know. I WanNa hold your hand She's got a ticket to ride kind of bubblegum pop. Land that they did. I mean when you look at from Rubber Soul Revolver Pepper Abbey road natural mystery tour Let it be album. I mean what they were doing in the studio very similar to what Brian. Wilson's do it in the studio Just great seeing the love and mercy Movie about Brian Wilson where He's talking to his brothers and he's like you know you guys go on tour to you guys go to Japan. I'm GonNa stay home and I promise you when you come back. I have a masterpiece the Beatles or doing in the album in the studio and they come home and he has all the songs for pet. Sounds done Badly and So also like you know you talk about like just the trajectory of their career and you know how many like their their psychedelic phase and walking. I mean they're low hand down the number one slot. Yeah absolutely similar to like you know first of all how fame absolutely All right. So what's your number one and as we said no particular order I suspected that so I'll let you. Who's your second choice okay? So what would the rolling stones at number two and I don't really know What needs to be said Where you know I'd have to make a like an argument for this Personally I mean I really really like them. If I was doing a Hebrew lists. They wouldn't have been on mine But I can't i. How do you do this list without putting The Rolling Stones on and You know Unbelievable sound incredible body of work on great live performers Great Front Man Just just timeless music and you know. They're the only band that I mean. I. I don't. I think that I think is like the Beatles and then everybody else in terms of bands but like they're the only band where I for people try to make an argument that they're better than the Beatles so I mean that's got to account for something. I completely disagree But to me. That was a that was a no brainer. I bow with Choice so my number two is the rolling stones for all the reasons you said and even the phrase they are not one of my favorite bands. it's not that. I don't like them and win. A rolling stone comes on the radio or you know comes to mix I. I'm I enjoyed is just not someone that I've invested a lot of time in experience and and and I I would love to get someone. Who's a fanatic rolling stone fan on this show to kind of talk to me about that end Kind of share. Maybe some of their lesser known songs to expand it. So totally agree. So far we're in sync Number three led Zeppelin. I think what I consider. Kind of the pioneers of hard rock but also so much color in layers and interesting different experimental And you know Watt a so influenced by the blues. And you know I can their instrumentation and a lot of a lot of reason. Why didn't get a lot of airplay with their songs for so long? Hr you know But and then you know like Zeppelin Three. They went very acoustic and You know voice. Is You know It's so descent Their popularity album sale there. I mean they're stage president their body of work really truly out to me that was another no-brainer and You know our page. You know if not the you know. Definitely in the top five You know basketball players of all time and Yeah that's My number three. Yeah they didn't make my list but I can't argue with anything you said. They are conic and there are many people. I know that are yelling at me. What how could they not make your list For All the reasons you said they are just they are truly icons of rock and roll now. What I find interesting is so far. You've gone all British. We went all American on Solo. And so far you've gone all British on your groups So I'm going to break that tone and I'm going to go With the Beach Boys for mine. You'RE GONNA go get. Yes yes I could not. I didn't put Bruce on. I resisted the be a homer but I could not resist the beach boys. They were As close to a rival for American band to the Beatles as possible Brian Wilson Influence. Paul McCartney Who Paul McCartney influence. Brian Wilson They also went from being. You know happy surf. Music to onto pet sounds and other albums that did not have the commercial success but still some great music They are they sold southern California as a place where there's two girls for every boy and that You know the the though Janet Dean Sang that Song. Brian wrote it They were just icons and When you hear other musicians talk about Brian Wilson And with his brothers and friend and cousin being that instruments of his genius You realize how far his influence that the branches from that Brian Wilson Tree continue similar. Like you said about Bruce when you hear about the people so I'm GonNa go beach. Boys stotts. Dr Scott Well. Four honorable mentions and they were one of the honorable. Mentions so I I can't argue with with with what you said. I think they're kind of fun. Surf music the fact that you know the toward for so many years with like different people including John Stamos. I think it's kind of her brand over the years I would've loved. I mean Brian. Wilson is a musical hero of mine. and You know I. I think if they had a second leg of their career like the Beatles did after all the you know overcome gum. Poppy stuff and had you know maybe three or four or five Pet sounding type albums that kind of really resonated with mainstream culture. I think they would definitely be Probably probably make for me And I think that's a I mean you're you're not gonNA you're not GonNa get an and and you're not gonNA get argument not only because we're polite and and love each other but I think that's fair. I think that's a fair assessment of of why if you were debating Let's say there. Were you know we were committee of Seven or eight experts If if someone made that argument back and forth I would as much as I love them. I would be willing to okay. I'm going to move forward with them. Not Making because you can only have four. So yeah that's really well done What's next for you okay? So this is the fourth one. So this is as I said earlier in the podcast from Cleveland till now So this is the only one that team in frears gave us one while foot and number four is pink floyd very concerned by British invasion. Ask You could say like I think you have you colleges making. Have you always hated America? Dr? I Hate American I had I look. I I thought about two and rem and you know Yeah it's You know what they are Number nine all time albums sold My to me Dark side is the in my people. The best album ever made I think The wall is genius. I mean you know the drill album album. But they're just this iconic life force and you know they. They let their You know personal differences really get didn't the way What could have been a much longer torn careers? They broke up during before the division bell tour Which Roger Waters is not even On the album or tour but You know they of literally I mean I don't know the number I mean but like I mean we're talking like like five hundred million or something like some crazy number that they've been asked like oh thousands of times To get back together and tour and You know it's interesting 'cause I I was really debating between them and I'll tell you who else after that you're forced election but You know what I what I thought was interesting was when I went on kind of want to see just from like any kind of popularity standpoint. They still relevant in the whole thing. And I found this thing where like Spotify like rank like their top twenty like streaming bands like of all time and Ford. Was I think like in like the top ten to fifteen still You know you still see people with the dark side shirts every day. I mean I just I can't say enough about the think they have one of the most unique sense. I mean nobody sounds like Which I think is also a big criterium also For why I decided to go with the number four. I mean nobody like they almost created their own genre of music. I can't argue with that. They are not someone that That speaks to me but I certainly can order that so debated on my fourth. Dr Scott and I wanted to do something that represented motown because of the huge influence. It had on radio and music in the sixties. So I ended up picking the temptations though I also thought about Diana Ross and the supremes And so the temptations ended up being my pick For and kind of representing Motown And and I know that's kind of I think that's a little bit of a stretch and as I said if we were in a committee I would probably would lean toward if someone said. Well no I really think it should be Zeppelin or pink floyd. I certainly could not argue that point. I would make my stand and then move forward. But since it's mine I went temptations. Well I mean look they have a very successful show on Broadway right now. So it's not like you picked secure bands. Yes all right You're you've just my dad. Very nice but that was my temptation your exactly literally you I mean. Look you it sounds like you. You want us to kind of topped your sound. That was so influential on to popular music. And you know. I can't argue if With temptation there Sometimes admittedly str- admittedly struggle with What the temptation song. And what's the four tops song and smoke house and in the miracles right like miracle? Yes yeah I mean I mean you know like but temps were probably the best at what they what they want for that John Laura Just like you know When we're talking about it's like you know someone could say. Bob Marley someone like that. I mean right. It's like you know if you're looking at different like Zahn Ras If we're doing country right you could do a johnny cash. Could even some might even say for gas. You know So I don't I you know you're not gonNA get a lot of pushback for me because you know to you know to me you know. It's it's interesting with my wife when I talk about this a lot when we're listening to music And we'll talk about like. Is this person. Does this person like Homs lie or be this band or do they have like their own sound Or they you know. Very derivative and And you know that whole like genre of music You know again in the Broadway show now is getting like you know. It's very hard to get tickets to and Huge ovations and So I mean you know. They were I it's IT'S A it's a very it's a very interesting selection but I think your argument for why they're while you put them was very solid very nice guy. That was fun. All right I- listeners. I know we've been long but we did want to take a few minutes We've got multiple people that have reached out to give their discussions. I don't unless in. Here's what I figure we'll do Dr Scott will will read them and unless something just stands out like Oh. I think that's a really well. Thought of discussion. Obviously we're not going to be you know if we're not going to be disparaging if someone picked the monkeys which no one did thank God. I'm just checking Though I certainly I certainly a fan of Peter Tork and Michael Nasmyth and Davy Jones and why am I drawing a blank on the last Guy But you would not put them on that list but we are not we know this is all about positively So I'll start with about positive on so I just want a quick introduction or I'll As the college I will I'm GONNA HAVE OCD. If I just don't say this I just have to. Just give the The just the four five honorable mentions you no because I really. I've never 'cause I really really struggled with the fourth one and Originally I had the WHO at number four on about them So I had the honour mentions or the WHO? The Eagles are only finally. I'm sorry. Go the Eagles fleetwood Mac. The doors and the visuals so I especially think the eagles and fleetwood Mac are the icons of the seventies I think were and and I do think their influence as eagles especially in modern country music I think is all over the place and I think to a certain degree you know I agree rock and roll so yes. All Great Honorable Mentions Okay So Mary Great Discussion. I knew it would be wonderful idea all right so as I said. We reached out to twitter and facebook asked for people to send their information. They did not have the criteria we just. I just asked for individual artists for groups. What would you think? So Marian Tin from twitter said Elvis Chuck Berry Bob Dylan springsteen or Bowie. David Bowie I think is certainly someone that is worthy of discussion. And then like when people do the when people do the or I'm Gonna I'm GonNA teach kids speak with the rebound food and then groups. They said the Beatles Stones Birds Rem. I think that's really interesting. 'cause THE BIRDS. I think an early influence or and rem you mentioned on someone. That certainly was some influences birds I love the sound of the birds. mostly Just cover songs but You know they're great at the greatest. Hits album is is is great Very random choice but Maryanne thank you. You've got one From twitter motion Newman An artist that Apparently Jussie doesn't like his name is Bruce Springsteen he's from New Jersey Elvis Presley John who was an honorable mention and Chuck Berry. Can't argue with any of those groups we have the Eagles Fleetwood. Mac each three bands so double dipping their. Yes and the Beatles. Yeah that's I thought about the eastern band because they're such an iconic band but I think it's similar to you like when you say Tom. Petty and the heartbreakers RESP- Racing East. You Ban you kind of think of those together so great choices Chris Bloom who is going to be on the PODCAST. Coming up. Pretty soon Returning he said Elvis Bob Dylan Bruce Springsteen Jimi Hendrix which I think Hendrix is a very nice choice that You and I. I don't think either one of US brought up Now I did have them on my honorable mention to me he's like the Arguments sports reference the the the Sandy Colfax of musician In terms of you know when people think of Colfax you know when the greatest pitchers in the history of baseball only had six great years got a twelve year career. Sixth Grade Years. And you know obviously part of the Infamous twenty seven club and died way too soon but I mean talk about His influence and his his his iconic status though I I loved Jimmy. Yeah and I think that's really good choice. I also I think back of your point that all along the watch tire right is is that's a Hendrix Song. Even though Dylan wrote it so very nice His groups he said REM second for. Im Pink Floyd U2 and the doors so a couple of year honorable mentions I gave a lot of thought to Youtube. Youtube is a pretty influential band and And there's a Lotta love between you. Two and the e street band so bruce and Bongo so that those are all good choices and probably when we look at from eighties on You know maybe Kroll Jam probably with that group Probably the you know already on Youtube Program Nirvana not enough body of work But those those would be probably the the the the biggest in terms of popularity And Body of work Those three bands would probably be from from the eighty five. You know what would be an interesting discussion and we may put this on. The future is pick a rushmore for the decades in. Like what would be your top four bands of the sixties. What would be the for the seventies the eighties with ninety s? You know that because then you could have that a little more diversity in the influence. Still a lot of choices the discussion You've got another one for me. We got him. Arnold thank you tim for Chiming in Kim is GonNa get some negative points here for cheating in multiple spots him your call to the principal so fit him. What would chuck Berry Springsteen and Prince Elton John May have been me hitting that when I cut and paste. He may have been his four. Were maybe Chuck Berry Springsteen Princeton Elton. John that's what I'm Gonna. Guess that my edit mistake but are you are you. Are you tim father trying to get him out of the country yes exactly I am? I do agree when his he does do a little cheating on his group. Please continue okay. Yeah out out of the doghouse yet. He Got Beatles stones up one. Okay so there's Similar to me. Would you not order? And then Tim You gotta gotTa select one of these. So you're gonNA have to Tweet US Who Who landed on Queen Pink Floyd or the WHO and then? He did like a four or five honorable mention. So we'll we'll so Continue Tim you have to commit. Some one of Queen is something that didn't come up but I think that is an amazing choice due to advocate. Hausky said that he did Chuck Berry Elvis Presley Jimi Hendrix. And Bob Dylan. I'm seeing a lot of Elvis and Chuck Berry and and Billon groups. He did Beatles stones the clash and talking heads very interesting choices on the class. Certainly Iconic David Byrne and the talking heads are massive influence Not as much you would think top forty hits but I certainly think that acute jr influence really really interesting choices. There's been very interesting choices And like to talk to Ed. You know I I could he. You know I guess you know with with the class. Kind of representing kind of the punk rock sound And alum bruises cover of London calling on the High Park. Open this out. It's phenomenal so It seems like he he went up. Maybe a little bit Death and favorite kind of mixed in a little bit but You I to the classroom talking has fantastic. Yes Oh do you And we're sharing documents so I know at one point Dr Scott lost the documents. So that's why we're going. He got another one for me. And then I'm going to read the rest. Yeah do you have beneath I have Tammy? Call Your Tammy is currently I give a shout out to. She is my my personal Job a guru. She has been working to in my job. Search she's just a great lady She says my personal not for historic reasons which I love putting that outgoing dope. Here's my personal She said Bruce gave a caveat. I love her Bruce Pink Lady Gaga and Prince really diverse. I love that it's You know two male to female. That's very well done You have a very diverse love. Go ahead and give us the nieces Let's see We got Bruce okay she wrote my personal so I'm assuming this is favourite Versus Bruce St Nick. Uh My wife will be Eric Clapton Solo And Elton John Since then for and then for groups Denise I love Love Love the spent I love Pity cream which. I'm a big big cream SAM so Love about selection Fleetwood MAC double dipped on Bruce And then Queen again not through another cream. Yeah I love the Eric Clapton Choice. I think that's another one. That is good I also the cream. That's really good Let's see I've got a now then. We're mixing out where I put a suit said so we're just gonNA flow with it. I Have Joe Delarue CEO. And he said Bruce Dylan Billy Joel and Elton John. I know you have y'all results out out. Yeah and then he said the Beatles who's Zeppelin cream so a second choice for cream that's great Do you have Steve Marshall? Yes I do what I think I only have sole award. That's all he had. Okay Bruce I love love this choice. I love Bob Seger I say Seger is just. What one most underrated Rockstars of all time So that that brings a small. Let's say Dylan Elton John. So John Get getting some love yes he is and he didn't do band so eager Dylan yet. Karen Rosiak smack K S C K She said Bruce Freddie. I assume pretty prints Not Freddy Fender Jim Morrison and Janice Joplin Janice Joplin. A nice little vote A very early influence or on rock and roll and someone whose career was shut was very very You know cut too soon so I love those choices. That's good part of the twenty seven club with Morrison to. Isn't it. Amazing what she perhaps murkier now. Yeah it's gotta be Freddie Mercury. I think so. Yeah I you know. That's you know the iconic you know. That film was just wonderful. And you yet how at least I did. How many Great Songs Queen Ray Greatly? Great Yeah and and and again when I discussed earlier just like talk about Obama has their own sound. It's like opera Broadway rock it's Yeah How would you pronounce it? Hollis maybe Ha L. Ese. Hollow Belly We got the beach. Boy Love we got Zeppelin and the doors That's huge doors fan to me. They you know again there were honorable mentions and to me like almost like Hendrix is Just didn't have the longevity. Unfortunately with you know tragic casting but And then individual order Bruce Elvis. Jim Morrison to George Fan and collector. And Beth Park Wolf said Bruce Dylan Billy Joel and Ray Charles Ray Charleston love. We had talked about him earlier. And I I love that. Pick under a risks She said Fleetwood Back Beach. Boys Ramones. And beastie boys rothe great as far as Trail Blazers of different style of music. The you know the ramones that that raw energy. And then the Beastie boys one of the earliest of you know You know of rap and in So I I think both really interesting choices. I like those persons to My one of my best friends Dave is a massive. Dc Board Fan And he will. He will love that. That selection and I like how she kind of Billy Joel and Rachel of the Billy. Joel's hero an idol. Yes Rachel so very cool Paul Rodriguez Picked Bruce Springsteen Tom Petty Elvis and David Bowie All phenomenal so much and and groups. Stones Zeppelin double dipping with East Ban. And the WHO isn't it funny. How much rock and roll icons come from Great Britain you know how many bands come from that you know. That's just really unbelievable. Yeah it's unbelievable it's unbelievable and and and and very interesting the amount of double dipping of Bruce and then Bruce Eastern band now and and and and and I like the criteria didn't save I could it might like I didn't criteria right. Yeah and also these are. I'm posting on a settling. And you know the settlers Bruce Facebook page and on Bruce Springsteen fan pages. So it's the you certainly would think there would be that bias storm. Aren't we got two left Maggie? V Said Beatles Eastern band. Elton Bruce so she kind of did two of each so. Thank you Maggie for that and our last one. Go ahead We got tiny Lechner. Potisk Bruce Elvis Ellen. John Chuck Berry died while Jesse. Isn't this your list? Beatles stones temptation I think it is. That is exactly my list So Patty Patty Patty poor porous or to Have a conversation while you do so as I talked about earlier. Dr Scott. I'm GONNA take all our numbers. I'M GONNA throw it in a spreadsheet and do a pivot table and come up with the top vote getters. Just be curious because And then we'll put who would make each a lot of overlap and So but I love the one offs like the Ramones. And the beastie boys and the doors. I think that's awesome that we've done that This has been a blast. I knew I would have done. I did not think I would have this much fun. It was fantastic. I it's a good a good icebreaking or good game to play at a party absolutely. Yeah I like that a lot. That's a good idea Any final thoughts before I let you go I WanNa thank you for having this my fourth Episode and I WanNa thank you for The invite and For AGAIN. You know Bringing bringing fans and and and music and communities together here just and You know Just really really honored. Every time I get to talk to you and you're just a an incredible guy and this is tremendous amount of fun and I hope we hope we speak to. Yeah absolutely I agree You know please. If you want to join me on the podcast send me an email set listening. Brusett. Gm DOT COM. You can find me on twitter at Jesse Jackson. Dr Scott Your twitter handle on at you N. Nancy G. Twenty six and my website is San Diego family therapist dot com and changed that now. They're turned Florida. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA be a licensed in two states surgery very exciting. Yeah Yeah and Any just before we part 'cause I kinda you know may or may not do a Google. Search twice a day You heard any thing about the the upcoming e-street album than any kind of rumors or speculation of when it when it may drop. I have nine. I know that everyone is well win. Win Win. So no I know we got to see. I think it'll be fun. And they're playing it very close to the vest but Yeah I think this is I think. Twenty twenty could be a very special year for the e street band and for his fans though last year was a pretty fun year. Considering there was no tour. Yeah Dennis so much. Solo material came out. Just really really. Nice Dr Scott. Thank you so much listeners. Thank you We will definitely have you back on prefer. Now thank you and we'll talk to you soon. You just heard the fun talk hard rock Music Marvin album raking fan thanking joy spreading Lira. Greetings story sharing. That is the one. The settlers settling groups as part of the southgate media. Podcast group the theme for Settling. Bruce was written by David. Roseanne used by permission.

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"I it is time for fasttrack and John. One side of the coin. Mock draft five is absolute money taken to the back. Take it to the bank on the other side of the coin. I screwed it up. Call it in the air. I think you were right the first time. Take it to the back and throw it away. It will you will. You will finish dead last in the mock draft competition tales screwed up. I screwed it up to him and I thought I had this figured out all right. Ireland is see you fast track all right so I was reading an article the other day about how various shoe companies have blown. Endorsement deals over the years in the eighties. Feeler had John McEnroe when they misspelled his name on a racket and left ending up at Nike Nike. Once made a pitch to Steph curry but forgot to change the name a slide presentation and messed it up. He ended up going under armor. So here's my question. Pretend you own. A huge sports apparel company like Nike Adidas. Under armor. You get to pick one athlete to endorse your stuff but you only get one and you get the first pick any athlete any sport but you only get one guy or girl you can take tiger. Mike Trout Lebron anybody who you are in peril company with correct Even though he's at the very tail end of his career because I think he could have a legacy beyond his current career. I'm going to say Lebron I lindsay. What do you think I disagree? That he's at the tail end of his career ended the near the end of his career. He's not he's in his thirty. He's not he's not a guy you're going to have active for for twenty years. I would probably like right now. I don't know it's I would. My initial thought is Tiger Woods because golf is expensive right off the payroll is choice and you know he can golf for however long however many more years so. I guess that's probably what I'd go. It's tiger tiger. Who you take. I think I'm taking Ziona. He's the next Big Star That's a good call next star. The need-we Lebron is an choice because Lebron is a brand. He's more than an athlete but Mason. You already took Lebron. I think Lebron right answer but I was thinking because he's incredibly marketable and he's only twenty four. I think I could. I would consider Patrick Mahomes I. He's got a funny voice. He's he's good in the commercials he's already in now. I think you could do at Tom. Brady kind of existence with Patrick. The number one he pa- he passed Brady this week for number one in. Nfl Jersey sales. I think I would consider him. But there's not a wrong answer to that question like if you you could take seven or eight people and still come out way ahead on that deal. I don't necessarily think I would take trout. Because he's not really he's a great player but he's not really a star. He doesn't do a lot of deals or endorsements or stuff like that. He's the best baseball player. So if you're not gonNA take Lebron I think I would lean towards MAHOMES FAST. Track all right. Let's see here. Let's do this so I got a little baseball. We've been talking to baseball today. I got a list of the top. Five active players wins above replacement. Top five active players in wins above replacement. Three strikes. And you're out. Who are they all right? Cleansing one having above replacement. One has to be Mike Trout correct. There's no way that one of them isn't travel. Might trump number two number number two. Wow rear wins. Above replacement can point. Clarification can any of these pitchers or any of the sisters pitchers do get wins above replacement. Yes I'm thinking I feel like Berliner has to be one of them because he's I mean he's been so good I don't I don't know it's career. Look for Rape Mace. Yes career I know. He's been Lindsey this. I know he's been awful since he got traded to the angels but wasn't Albert pools so flower above and beyond everyone else when he was in saint. Louis he had like the greatest Gore numbers ever. You don't think so if it career now because numbers over the past. Three years have brought him down a lot. I remember it's cumulative it keeps going. Your numbers never go down. It's cumulative your numbers keep adding up so it has average. No no no it I wins. Are you responsible for over the years? You're probably all right. I'll pools number one there. You go okay all right so then that takes away all takes waiver lander you. Yeah you think that it. Wow so would would one of them be up pitcher. I will tell you. There are two pitchers on the list. Okay so the other two are pitchers. Yup So let's get verleger desk. Justin verlander Justin verlander number three. Yes there's a pitcher and a hitter remaining okay. A pitcher and a hitter charming maybe like Felix. I will tell you that. The pitcher is a former dodger. Okay I just thought of this right when you said it confirmed it. Think about Zach. Grandkids Lindsey early in his career. He was great in Kansas City. He was great in Milwaukee. He was great with the dodgers. He's now great in Arizona. In terms of wins I think it has to if he said if you want us to current dodger I would have guessed kershaw but since he said former I think it has to be verleger. You agree grinky yeah. He's probably up there. Grinky grandkids number four. Yes you remaining. Only one guy left all right. Here's a hitter too. Many strikes left. You've got all your strikes. What about like. Maybe I think that's a great answer unless it's like what about like Robbie Casino. Would he be more than Cabrera's Cabrera still playing? Yeah he's still playing if he's still playing. It's gotta be Cabrera. Yeah Cabrera Cabrera it. Is You go five to five is one of my favorites even always played against the Indians that I hated him as a tiger. Like he's he's so can say something. Can I say something embarrassing? I thought Tucker Breyer was out of the League. Then he's been injured and he hasn't played while the past two years he's been still in Detroit. Yeah he's a ten year deal there by the way you were on the right track. Robbie is number six Clayton Kershaw number seven. Joey votto number eight my next guess. Sherzer number nine and Cole. Hamels who've been around for a long time is number ten. Yeah Wow Seattle's track. I didn't go that. He's not active. Active Okay Mace. A group of three anonymous drivers took advantage of the open highways and drove an Audi a eight from New York City to Redondo Beach in an amazing twenty six hours at the beginning of last week but not everybody is impressed. Alex Roy the host of the no parking podcast and the two thousand six transcontinental record holder says the latest run reported to have taken place on April fourth but only revealed in recent days was irresponsible given the intent of stay at home orders across the country. Here's what Alex Roy said quote any other time if one arrive safely no harm no foul in theory morally questionable for sure a run now brings with it. The unknown. Did I catch a fuel? Pump today transmit the virus. Did they contribute to the problem? In an immeasurable way one to enter into the zone of doing such a thing today. One can never know if you can say no harm no foul and quote. So here's my question. What term better describes this Canon ball twenty six hour run impressive and fun or reckless and stupid got the roads are so frigging empty? But it is Kinda. I'm GONNA say ambitious and fun. Impressive and fun yet. Lindsay. What do you think President? Fun Or reckless and stupid. Well I think as long as nobody got hurt. It's impressive and fun. Something that hurt us not impressed. Impressive in funds sounds very fun to me. Well here's the problem though to back up this Alex Roy. We'll when we don't know if anyone got hurt because if they did grab gas pump and plays on metal for forty eight to seventy two hours the virus so if they grabbed a gas pump and then you and I were the next people go into the gas station. Maybe they did transmit the virus. Anybody who's going to the gas station now are not immediately hand sanitizing or pierrot wiping right afterwards. I don't know I actually of well-made filled up my gas tank once during this whole Corentin and I wore gloves. Maybe overly cautious but I I actually. I think I did too now that I think of it. Yeah I mean I think it makes sense by the way. Gas prices are just ridiculous right under a dollar somewhere in the United States under a dollar. Can you believe that I mean I'm sure it's not that way in California but I mean for it anywhere to be under? A dollar is insane dollar nine in Ohio. A dollar nine. Can you imagine but nobody is anywhere to go? Yeah but I mean the the prices are based on demand and always have been Odem and yeah. Let me look what they are right now in in Los Angeles I the it was the last time I paid attention to it. They were like four dollars and so I just Google gas prices in Los Angeles right now. It's still it's still up there. How much three three dollars. Settles cheap still champion? Gases always going up to forty nine to forty nine other when you go to lowest average was three sixty you go to lowest the brea you can go fill up for two twenty two dollars and twenty seven cents. Wow Wow that's crazy all right coming up. Next question has got a question fasttrack. Five o'clock rolls on seventeen. Espn rolling with five o'clock fasttrack and functions to you fast. Track all right big news. Today has an official Whitney Houston Bio pic is in the making. The Hollywood reporter broke the news at the Houston. Estate has agreed to produce a film with her longtime producer. Clive Davis now. The film's working title. Is I WANNA dance with. Somebody also joined. The project is screenwriter. Anthony McCartan who wrote the Queen bio-pic Bohemian rhapsody. Wow now very excited. That is coming out. Has Most of us really. Don't know what on Whitney from the early two thousands up to her death now. Who is another senior athlete or celebrity? You'd like to see a biopic based on her life. Well the one that has to be coming at some point is something on the Beatles. Maybe they're waiting for McCartney and Harrison to pass but the Beatles are the are the biggest band ever right. I mean at some point. Somebody has to do a biopsy. Do just do on John Lennon. Paul McCartney right but I would think that's the one I mean they're doing Elvis's already in the works. They've already casted it and they were starting to shoot it. I think in Australia. Yeah when the corona virus broke out so Elvis's the one that's coming next but the Beatles I think would be at least the biggest target that day could hit. There are more Beatles fans than pretty much anybody. Can you think of Mesa Athlete? A famous person bigger than the Beatles. No the weird thing is they've been there hasn't been a definitive Beatles bio-pics but bio pay but there have been. There was one about John and Yoko. There was one about John. Lennon called nowhere boy. So they've been they've they've nibbled around the one. I'm really excited about is more Scorsese's doing a bio pic of Frank Sinatra with Leo DiCaprio as the as Frank Sinatra and. Apparently he's been getting ready for this for years. I've watched I've seen every rat. Pack Movie Miniseries Document? Tina Sinatra did one in the eighty s about her dad that was based on the Kitty Kelley Book And then. Hbo Did the Rat. Pack where Cheeto was in that gray plate Sinatra now and yeah? Yeah the the interesting thing about Whitney Houston. We'll have you guys watch the Whitney Houston documentary tests and watch it so good. So Lindsey do. They address her sexuality in the documentary. On I don't think honestly they kind of like dance around it a little bit. So we'll the bio pic dance around it. That's that's called. I WANNA dance it. Somebody CH- but the one thing I mean there were there. Were some there were there. Were some people that felt like. They didn't in the case of the of the Queen bio-pic that they didn't deal with Freddie Mercury's sexuality honestly I thought they did we miss. What did you think were you happy with the way they depicted his sexuality and blaming rhapsody? Yeah I thought I thought they did a a fair. I don't know much about his sexual history so I know that he. He swung both ways. I don't know exactly which side got more at bats but I so it's hard for me to say but I thought they dealt with it to some degree honestly it felt it felt real to me by the way rocket man. I mean it was. It was at the heart of rocket man. How his MOM disowned him? Over it yeah and. I thought they did a good job of of doing an honest depiction of Elton John. In that movie with Whitney I'll give you an example like you mentioned what sports person would do it for years. People have been trying to make a movie about John. Wooden because that's the greatest coach but I'm trying to remember who has the right to maybe our Buddy Mike Warren who listens to the show about. I think Mike may have all night. You're right but the people that have had the rights over the years have always insisted that it has to be G. or PG like they're not going in. You're not you're not putting Sam Gilbert in it. You're not putting any of the of without San Bill Without Sam. Gilbert is not an honest so it's never been done like multi who would be good John. What about Ronald Reagan? That's fascinating now. It'd be a really interesting one because he started out as an actor because he would be a good one. But the thing with princes isn't purple rain kind of the movie of Princes life if you do a bio pic on. Chris. You're not getting it not getting different with the end of it because that was what thirty years ago? Yeah a lot of but Jimmy. Jam said that when he went to grade school and high school prints. And Jimmy listens to the show. And Jimmy. Said if you if you would start princes life story. You'd have to start at that. He was legitimately a prodigy like he could play every instrument when he was ten or twelve years old. I mean so that's where you could start it similar to where they started rocket man went out and John was Reginald to white and he was a kid. I would love to see a Marvin Gaye. Bio-pic big right buddy. Kevin Reese just texted me while you're talking about this The sports photographer that Marvin Gaye would be a good one. Yeah there's an aretha Franklin one coming out this summer it stars the actress who played Harriet. Tubman this last year in that movie. Harriet who was nominated for an Oscar. That's that's a great one aretha Franklin. There's now that now that they've nailed some of these bio-pics I really liked Bohemian rhapsody and really liked. Oh Man I like both of them. I thought both were great. And they're completely two different tax. I mean like in in Bohemia and rhapsody Rami Malik. Who didn't win an Oscar for playing Freddie Mercury? Yes he did okay so he lips inked they use Freddie's actual voice and Taryn Edgerton. The Guy who played Elton John. Even though Elton John Still Alive and they completely could've used his voice. When I heard that EDGERTON WAS GONNA SING. I thought well. Wow they blew that. You couldn't use Elton John's actual voice and then I went and saw the movie and loved it. So there's there's a lot of like with Whitney the Whitney by a pick you almost have to lip sync that right you. You'd be impossible to copy her voice. Yeah it's always more impressive when they sing them though like Sissy space at coal miner's daughter. She's saying that park turn. Edgerton sang the Elton. John Part I can't. I don't know I haven't read up on the Scorsese project with Sinatra but I got to imagine you're using Frank's voice and Leo's GonNa lip sync it. I don't know I would have passed and not tras. Nickname was the voice. I wouldn't put it past them. I wouldn't put it past them. I have no idea boy. That's fascinating decision isn't it is to be able to try to pull off like one of the things about les miserables. I'm trying to remember who directed it and I don't but he insisted on everybody singing the actor singing their own parts and Russell. Crowe is a terrible zing awful. He's just off. Everybody else was great. Everybody else kill and Hugh. Jackman was great all day another day. Another desolate calvary crumbled. Shirley come a second time. One day was it. Joe Bear the name of Russia there and yet he was awful. Yeah and so. That's a very tough decision. When you're doing a musical bio-pic what about sports is okay? So we know we know what the hang up on John. Wooden is is there somebody else in sport the OJ's been done? It's got to be somebody complicated right. That's that's what you want right. You want somebody complicated like Mike. Tyson would be complicated. Pete rose but that work. Espn did a wherever they used to make movies and they did a pete rose. Movie starring Dash Meat Hook Dash Hook. Tried to get that guy in the air for like two years ago. But it didn't work Bobby Knight. Espn tried to do a fictional movie on Bobby Knight. That might be a good one if you had a good script and a good director Lance Armstrong might be an interesting one. Yeah if you told the unvarnished truth Tiger might be an interesting one. All these have been tried. It's the guys that are the most complicated. I think that are the most interesting. But there's also the toughest wants to pull off and the the ones that it's easiest to go off the rails. Yeah interesting question though. Yeah good one punch as you would have got well. I don't know if I could top that that was quite a good Combo there But you know. Yesterday we talked about branding and what bud light is doing surrounding the booze with Roger. Goodell and the NFL draft. And I saw this other thing going around social media where a restaurant chain olive garden there helping out high school seniors whose problems were cancelled because the cove nineteen and they're offering to simulate their experience with photo manipulation according to UPI and from everything. I've seen on social media Olive Garden is having seniors upload photos of themselves and their dates or friends in promise tire and then send them to the restaurants instagram and twitter accounts and then they will edit the photos together with like olive garden steamed backgrounds. I guess to like and they're they're simulating the prom photo experience. You know when you've got a prominent it's like you got like the cheesy like hand around your your dates waste pictures no pun intended when you're talking about all of us exactly and and it's funny you say that because some of the the backgrounds have like. Funny Olive Garden theme slogans like Breadstick Bay most saucy Prince of Parmesan like all these stupid things. So I mean I guess I wanted to ask you guys a would you guys let me take photos of you and upload these Garden Instagram so we could make fake problem fixers and be. Is this something where it's kind of like this is more of like a slap in the face. These people like they don't get a problem. Let's not let's not get. I was just thinking that Jewish in worse. Yes that's kind of what I I think. I understand olive garden trying to do something. Nice during the quarantine. If I was high school senior I would pass maze. How about you? I would also pass and I'll tell you of all the restaurants that I would want to take my prom date to all due respect you know endless salad and breadsticks doesn't necessarily say to me. I don't like using coupon on a date. You know it's like that that's not my and olive garden. I'm sure it totally respectable organization and they make. I never liked their food. My mom loves their endless salad and break a big fan of the Olive Garden. Yeah never never been. My thing doesn't seem like authentic Italian food to me but yeah if you're going on a date probably olive garden is not your first choice. Well I also wanted to say that. I notice a lot of people on facebook myself. Included started doing this Senior picture thing where it's like in honor of the twenty twenty seniors post a picture from your senior year when you graduated so we can show support for the seniors and I posted mine and then somebody had a really good point they said. Don't you think that's kind of like nagging at them and kind of making them feel worse like how is that supporting them by showing your senior picture and saying? Hey guess what you. Don't get a graduation. But here's what mine looks like. Do you guys agree with that? Yeah I do. I do agree with that. I do agree with that. All right take mine down then. Well No if you're having fun with it more power to you but I think you find your picture. I don't think so but a look. See if you can find it. That would be cool. Lindsey can you find your picture online? Yeah let's let's what about you? Oh function go to the prom if I find it. I'm pretty sure I will be in a light. Blue Ruffled Tux. I've like a white talks with tales. Lindsey was before I was dumb dumb before dumb and dumber even exists and I will. I will look for it. I don't be but I will look for it all right more faster coming up next for you mason in Ireland Seventeen. Espn I rolling OUT WITH FAST. Track and fast track to Australian doctors weighing in about the spread of the Corona Virus. And whether it can be spread through flatulence during Friday's episode of the Australian Corona Cast podcast host. Dr Norman Swan made a cautionary suggestion when it comes to a fart and the spread of covert nineteen. He says quote. Luckily we wear a mask which covers our gas all the time pants shorts underwear but to be safe. You shouldn't pass gas when you're close to other people and you shouldn't Fart with your bottom bear. This could redefine the term silent but deadly Had It ever occurred to you that we could pass the virus by farting and will you take an additional precaution because of the research about farts and Cova. Nineteen your first question. I know it never occurred to me but I have an observation in. Tell me if you agree. If you gotta go you gotTa go Kinda Right. It's like it's not like you can control always I mean. Sometimes you can't but wait a minute of course you can control it. No yes you can always control it when you were dating Lisa. Tell me I mean at some point right it was. It was standard issue that you both farted but at the beginning yeah far from her as long as possible right. Yeah until a certain point so you were able to hold it back until you're comfortable enough with Lisa to be able to do it this way. If you're on a plane okay. You don't want to get up. You don't want to go to the back you don't you if you can. Let's let's have an honest discussion about okay. Honest discussion yes. You want to control the sound but you can't completely suppress the act. You know you on us. You're right you can. You can release it into the seat of a plane correct and if you do according to Your Australian doctors. You're putting others at risk you are. You're putting others at risk so it's dangerous. Let me answer your question this way. I'll do what I can. I'll try hard not to do it but I would like to think I always do what I can. You know you know it's funny i. I'm assuming that you now have the relationship with Lisa where you fart in front of each other right not. Yeah like I was GONNA say not intentionally but sure because I never did with one ever ever under any circumstance neither did he and one day he did and from that point on off to the races. Didn't that was where once it happens once. Okay it's all right you know if if I do it now you know the very first thing. I say what Reagan blame the dog. Blame the dog. Then go Reagan. That's terrible what are you doing pissed off? That told that I would be too. I was going to think that you have clearance to tell that I don't know this. So yeah clearly. All right launch fast track all right. Mace chippendales has been part of the Las Vegas Entertainment Landscape for nearly twenty years. Sure now while it headquarters at the Rio Hotel and all of their casino showrooms are shut down the male strippers are coming to your house. If you like Chippendales at home is a new online experience that allows viewers to hang out and party with the men of Chippendales to chat flirt play games or get or give a virtual lap dance each thirty minute party will feature at least two cast members and will be hosted on streaming platforms such as Zoom House. Party facetime or Google Hangout. Do you think this will work? Chippendales normally a big hit for Bachelorette parties in twenty twenty. I guess we should include Bachelor parties for Gay Couples. But the thing is it's always been that you get to see. These guys in person will chippendales online. Be a hit or a miss total miss total mess. I the whole purpose of it right. I mean the idea is now. I've never been to a show like this. I've been to strip bars. Strip virtual strip ours wouldn't work. Would they know Lindsey are you would would I know when the last time you went to a Bachelorette party is would would virtual chippendales work? Now I think like half of the half of the fun and allure whatever of going to those things now. I've honestly never been to anything like that. I've never been like a male review but I think a lot of it is the fact that you're in this like dark lit. Plays with your girlfriends doing this thing that you're not like really supposed to be doing body and like to bring it into your own. House. I don't I just don't see that working because I feel people wanted that type of interaction like they could just watch porn. You know. That's the thing why not. Just watch porn. What is the Chippendales thing about porn? I guess if they're like you said they're looking for the interaction part where it's like you're flirting with them and with them but like to me. I'd imagine was it being a big brand like chippendales. It probably costs a decent amount of money and you could find people on those creepy websites. You can find people to chat with for a lot less money. I'm sure right. I understand why they're doing it. I think they're trying to be creative in the time of the current virus. But I don't think this is gonNA fly. I don't funchess you think chippendales online's GonNa work. No like Lindsey said you know just go look at Porn. That's a one sentence. Answer to widen. This won't work. Actually Lindsey said just go look at porn you know the intimacy of that whole experience and then to bring it like you're bringing it into your own home on both ends too. Because what are these guys going to be at the club? They're probably going to be their homes. And whatever and I just feel like there's probably something about the interaction on both sides that just makes it like wildly uncomfortable. So we're all in agreement not gonNA work changing your one more you WanNa bring. Let's see one I've got a I've got a game. And this was suggested yesterday on voicemail that we toughen up name that tune and we actually use the name of the song so this you're looking you're looking for the name of the song the name of the song. Okay okay. So it's Lindsey versus John. Here is song number one Lindsey. It's bad guy. Correct CEO didn't know that but I knew that was wrecked. Exactly this is what makes a tough now. Okay all right. So it's Lindsey up one. Nothing here is song number. Two Lindsey Rolling in the deep by rolling in the deep to offer Lindsey easier than you thought. John No no I I knew that one. Yeah but I don't know it's it's throwing me for a loop at this strike up. Here is song number. Three John. John Norwegian would Norwegian would yes it is two to one you knew that one Lindsay. Yes good job all right so it's two to one here. Is Song Number? Four Clinton on Lindsey got there first that would be Netzer John John. Ugo single ladies all the single ladies. I wasn't gonNA say 'cause you played a weird part of it coming down to this to to it all comes down. Make sure you listen. Deep into this cut okay. Mystery Song Number Five Lindsay Lindsay. That would be I know it's Taylor Swift. It's called I'm going to need an answer. No ring to one no Ireland. You get to listen into the cut. Listen carefully I know the name of it. John Play John. Okay almost there. This is longer than I thought it was. Okay no it. Doesn't I wait a minute? I'll take I'll take a shot okay. Took a shot. I think this was that. Huge itchy had that was blank space. Yes that is absolutely correct. John Ireland with the win on a Taylor Swift Song. Well I was GONNA say blank check and I knew that well space out of it so maybe by the way that is harder much harder much harder but you guys got all of three to two dramatic hard airland with the win on a Taylor Swift Song. I more fasttrack coming up next for you. Mason Ireland Seventeen. Espn I rolling with fasttrack in Ireland. You Okay I got a game with the NFL draft coming tomorrow. Some team will inevitably take somebody that we've never heard of. Yes so here's the game. Everybody on this list is either a former NFL player. Yup Somebody who was in the draft or a movie character. Okay so somebody who once played in the NFL or the name of a character from a movie. Let's see how you guys do all right first. Name swayze waters swayze Waters Lindsay? Is That A. Is that a character in a movie or an NFL draft pick. I'm going to guess it's character movie okay. Nfl Draft Pick Mace easy wise. Nfl Draft Pick Mason and funchess get the point. Swayze waters was an NFL kicker with the Detroit. Lions great name next name Cap. Boso -bio cap both. Oh French movie or NFL draft pick. It sounds like a movie character. Okay a mace Cap Bozo. I am going to say that is a movie character. Lindsey guests movie character to all three of you. Incorrect Bozo was a tight end for the bears. Okay next name Cleveland Heap. Cleveland Heap H. E. E. P. Mace NFL draft. Pick or movie character. Sounds like a movie character. Lindsey sounds familiar but I can't remember which one of the two it would be familiar from. Figgers yes draft. Pick a break. Thai movie character funches and Mason get the point. That was Paul G Ahmadis character in the movie lady in the water. Okay next name Lindsay back to you. Atari biggby Atari biggby GONNA guess draft. Pick okay drop pick. Mace sounds like a draft. Pick to me all three of you. Correct he was the NFL's defensive player of the month for the packers in two thousand seven. Three for funches three for. Mason one for Lindsey Finch Wetherbee Swan whether be Swan funchess movie character. You're going movies. Mace Wetherbee Swan. I that sounds like a movie character. All right Lindsey. It's definitely movie character. Do you know where it's from Lindsey. Isn't it from pirates? Correct five from pirates of the Caribbean. I'm not sure. I think that might have been Jeffrey. Russia's character in pirates isn't the girl's name is Swan right whether we swan is from pirates right. Okay back to you book. Cari Rambo Buchori Rambo. Is He an NFL draft? Pick or a movie care. That sounds like a draft. Pick right there okay. Mace a great name Bakari Rambo. I'm GonNa say that is a movie character. Or Lindsey break. The Tie Movie Character Fund is the only one that gets it but curry. Rambo is a current safety for the Washington redskins. A car is a weird name. He's he's supposed to ours. Aright provide for funches four for Mason to for Lindsay. Three names left me back to you. Silken floss Silken floss mesas that the NFL draft pick or movie character. Sounds sounds like a movie character to me. Okay Lindsey movie character. Nfl DRAFT PICK silken loss. I'll go with Mason. Same movie character movie character. All three of you correct you know. It is no scarlet. Joe Hansen in the movie. The spirit her name is Silken floss. Okay there are two names left. Six for funches five for Mason. Three for Lindsey Cypher. Rage Cypher Rage Mace. This one's yours movie character or NFL draft. That's gotTa be some kind of movie villain okay. Cypher Rage Lindsey. Drastic Fudge break the tie. Traffic Mason gets it. That was the name of will Smith's character in the movie after Earth. I think which was really bad movie. Wasn't it Mace? There was a terrible terrible movie. Oh dominates not battlefield. Earth was the Travolta movie. That was terrible terrible movie. I never even heard of that movie I love. Is that the movie with his son. I think so after Earth. We'll look it up later. Mason six funchess six Lindsay three. But this happens to be worth four points and find. You need to go first Mr Alexander Mr Alexander Bench movie character or NFL DRAFT NFL draft. Pick right mace. Nfl draft. Pick Lindsey. Well the only way that I can win is to guess the opposite even though I feel like I've heard this before I'm going to say movie character. Boxed in Lindsay new chains to wait a tie between Mason and funchess. Mr Alexander is a former linebacker for the Houston Texans Spring. His first name is Mr Mr Alexander and Maintenance Mason Lindsey our. I'm sorry funches and Mason Tie for the title by the way after Earth was an m night. Shyamalan movie starring Will Smith and his kid eleven percent on the tomato meter on rotten tomatoes eleven movie. Alaron percent wow yarns awful okay. So do you WANNA break and call this guy or this guy. Now we found the Guy. Who did the beverly hillbillies thing? Let's let's call them now first of all. Well she can't do both at the same time. Go ahead and call him. We'll we'll we'll fill for a minute and tell us when you got him. And then we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA play his Voicemail now we've set up this voicemail line in Mason challenge the audience today to come up with jingles songs little little hook songs that we can play coming. In and out of commercials. The voicemail line is five three zero. Espn seven ten five three zero three seven seven sixty seven ten and most people misinterpreted what? Mason wanted he wanted actual jingles something with with a musical element. Some people may sent slogans slogans. We yeah we don't need slogans right what we want our like musical element so one guy sent in a very funny beverly hillbillies theme kind of Jingle French. What's our what's our status. He didn't pick up yet. Okay so play. His yet. Plays Jingle Plays Jingle and we'll see if we can find him after the break here. Was this jingle in Ireland. Plenty I got e opening for your show from and listen to a story about a man named fee for Ohio Lord Mother there to free and one day just 'cause he was breaking wind and in through the door what they've done. That is silver spoon. One percenter while the next thing you know won't Steven John Repaired and found an amber. So who would put him on? The air said California is a place you will begin over. They loaded up their gear. They moved to save contain radio that is ESPN eastern in Ireland. Show don't offend me. Don't don't don't some mighty fine Banjo playing. It's been an art star presentation. I think he said Art Star Arts Punch. What's his name? Do you got him. I got him on the line. Okay put him on. Hey man what's your name Star Star? You were great man. That's exactly what we were looking for. How long did it take you to come up with that? Honestly you guys like when you. I said you wanted something like jingles like that so I was already off from work so I was inside a parking lot of a walgreens believe it or not and I just started thinking of you know what kind of subject to put together so I started thinking you know a guy from Ohio guy from la La Land Fan. He'd be just like that. Beverly hillbillies for then. I just had to put some words together. So I started thinking about Steve. From Ohio Blah Blah Blah and Saul came together. My my favorite part of it was he needed a three syllable word to describe somebody who put us on the air. And he came up with imbecile. Missile is perfect and he also wrote a rhymed breaking wind with Ireland. Yeah which was scrape art. We're GONNA wear that thing out man if you think of any more like that. Send Him in we that we wanted to say thank you. That is exactly what we're looking for. What by the way John Real quick? You know that the guys play of Somebody Berating you for picking while five times. That was me. Oh good excellent. Point Mason me not. I was sitting next to you. The wreckage you left and the locks poker invitation at the Commerce Casino who lasted longer art. Oh he both before me fast in that tournament he had to get that. Gift Card seat number two. If I'm not mistaken bid five grand in mythical money on it lasts longer and I beat them. I don't know if you remember that very bad. Be No one else did you. Yeah Great Art. Thanks guys appreciate it. Appreciate Man Yeah. I busted out of the tournament. I pocket King. Somebody who's sitting on pocket aces by the way you completely ignored my invitation to the poker game. Your name has been removed from our potential list. Oh Hey know somethin'. Actually something came up family wise. Yeah but he didn't tell me are you right. I didn't well anyway. You're you may work your way back up to the to the alternate how you're at the bottom. I went from winning the week before coming in dead. Last how many players have we had eight eight players? Yeah well known yet eight players. You told me that it was just a few players. I didn't realize it was going to be eight players and now pool table. Yeah now I think this week. We've got nine to nine on Saturday. Wow impressive all right coming up next for you. Ladies and gentlemen as time goes Oh nope forgot for sleep at Sunset Mason and Ireland. Crosstalk talk was sleeping next seven ten. Espn WOW that that big production damn look at the time. They're putting into Christopher Alice working his tail. Off On this intro for Crosstalk. That sounds great. Sleep you've become a star. Wouldn't go that far. I would go that far your known your your unknown person. Many people know who you are. I'm in the background and if I could be in the background that's okay. I'm completely have you been. Have you been on the Campaign Ski Late Night? Hoedown yet you know woah not invited yet. Not invited I think that's a Could be a personal thing. I know the CAM brothers beef. You know what their slogan is. You know their slogans will take anybody so you should definitely go on to the podcast right when I'm done with this show. I'll just go right into that show. You might as well. I'll just keep going by the way. Mace who is that guy that put that thing together the thing you tweeted out the poster you put it out on twitter. I do not know who did that. The poster is unbelievable. How freaking good is that? It's that is the actual chinatown poster. Yeah no I know. But that's the funniest thing the way he put the way he put our faces in there and spent some damn time on this and I love that you told him can you do it. Did he end up or you wanted to sleep after sunset right right. It's sleep it right now at Slough after dark. Which at certain times a year after dark makes sense but sleep at sunset? That is a magnificent poster. I actually own that poster autograph by Robert Town who wrote the screenplay no face general. I don't know how he got our faces to look mostly like our faces. It's too good. It's good and I love his response back to you you said. Hey can you make this Sunset? He's like yeah. I'm just at work right now. When I'm done I'll get on it like like almost as if of course it's on my to do list you got it may whatever you yeah it is. It's a beautiful piece of work you know. I think that's one of the things I was talking to. I did a podcast day with Michael. Mando who plays Nacho Varga on breakneck? Great actor and great actor. He's got some low in the in the last few episodes of this season that are just unbelievable crazy and the one thing we were talking about is that people are while while we're all sheltering in place. We're all doing the stuff we're supposed to be doing if you notice. The memes are better. The gifts are better. There is so much creativity out there because people have so much time on their hands and I think when all is said and done after this terrible thing is over they're going to be screenplays and books and all kinds of stuff that people who have written because there's so much creativity that's happening right now. All you gotTa do is look at the me. I sent you the one last night of the little girl. Oh Yeah Oh that was that was amazing to actually ratio during the show. I was listening to it during one of the breaks to like. Turn everything off just to listen to it. Did you guys play that yesterday too? Yeah we did. Do we have that one Michael Vance Heaven Los Angeles sports now. That was what I was asking for the little. The little girl asked. How many days have you been quarantined? Do you have that one? You gotta give me a second Yeah we'll give you a second. Yeah by the way we think. Funchess says everything that has fingertips pretty much. He's he's been. He's been pretty clutch. He's he's unbelievably unbelievably good punch has been one of the unsung heroes of this. Entire Quarantine. Funds. Don't bleep it out either let. Let's really get the. We're definitely bleeping out that little girl. There's nothing funnier than that. A Little Kid cussing kids. Do Not cuss. Please do not look at areas. If you look at her to mace she like that's the last little girl that you think that's GonNa come out of her mouth. That's what she's GonNa say so just throws you off completely but yeah. I saw that. It was hilarious yesterday. Sleet have you done a mock draft like everybody around here? I have done a mock drafts. How do you do you want me just to check in with Mel Kiper again? Is that where you got it from? I got a lot of my picks from Mel Kiper. I actually have spent the last few weeks researching and looking at film. I've looked at a lot of film. What do you think of that offensive guard out of at Obama offense? I'm telling you what that that guy big. Nfl Body really really mature scored really well on the Wunderlich interviewed well. They're really impressed with them. I don't think I've seen a D be like that guy out of Utah in years. That's just my personal opinion. Never I'm not gonNA attach a name to who he is because I want people to do their own research but he's amazing you know. I got A. I got a note from my mom and my Stepdad. Leo I got the same note is very Ni- just right. Just wrote him back. Yeah just listened to your interview with John Too late. We were both in tears. A couple of instances. I really feel like I am now. A member of the family especially with John's comments added to your and once Please let John Know that we both appreciate him as a real friend. This was a great show in the idea of interviewing. You is a great concept. Bring it on and then at the. Andy says this will be the last serious message. You will ever hear from me I I. I thought is he trying to move out of not stepdad status? This could move them closer to that but then step then he finished with that line and I thought all right with the World Yup exactly exactly so you may get a chance to watch the final episode. I watched are you. Are you caught up so Amanda? I caught up to your okay. Yeah so I think it sets up a killer season six. The problem is going to be that. Okay all production is shut down the amount of time between season four and season five was eighteen months which was Mesa around the same amount of time between the last. Two seasons of game of thrones. Now I think we have to project out past eighteen months because there's no shooting Yeah I think we're going to have to wait for a while. There's no production by the way so many people that were That are listening right now. work production They're on cruise. They are actors work on commercials voice over AC. Everybody is it shutdown right now. We feel you know we are. We are so fortunate to be able to have jobs in this environment and You know it is just devastating. What's happening With with people and their inability to work right now It's GONNA be a while for breaking for better call so You know the thing. Is they left it at such a critical moment to I mean talk about a cliffhanger that is an absolute cliffhanger. The guy who plays Lallo is fantastic and the guy the guy I talked to. Michael Mando is fantastic. And you're right about Kim who's played by the Great Race Jorn She did break bad. You're bad that's going to be the focus of the season six is. How far will Kim go because it seems now that Kim gone so far down the rabbit hole that she can't get out? I think now that she's lost all concept of she has no moral compass anymore. None and and so it's going to be but it could be. It could be a very big season six for our Guy Howard to. Oh yeah say he's going to be a big A big thing he does. He looks like he looks like it. Yeah Hey how? How closely have you guys followed? The college admissions scandal. And everything that's been going on with that or you guys still paying attention to that you know that Lori Laughlin and her husband Maasim oh are still pleading not guilty and they still. There are some legal experts who think they are going to get off without any jail time because the guy rick singer who masterminded this plot. They say told them that he was. He was doing everything legally that he was he was just they thought they were making a donation to USC and in return. Rick Singer was getting their girls into school. Well something in the last half an hour may turn this trial again. Jorges Salcedo who was the UCLA soccer coach really guys forever from from two thousand four to twenty one thousand nine hundred. He was there for fifteen years agreed today to plead guilty to racketeering charges. After maintaining his innocence for more than a year. He is agreed to one kind of conspiracy for accepting two hundred thousand dollars in bribes to facilitate the admissions of two students as fake soccer recruits. So this could swing it back the other way this now that the coaches are admitting they were in on it I don't know where people who are pleading not guilty. Have have to stand now. I understand why they didn't just plead guilty like everybody else. They don't want to go to jail. Yeah but I mean felicity. Huffman went to like a country club for ten days and it was all over. She got released for good behavior after after cooking class on the fifth day. Maybe they feel maybe Laurie Laughlin and Massimo Field. That they were lied to that. This Guy Rick Singer took him to the Clintons. They thought they were making a donation to USC and then in return. They're girls were getting in. Which has helped private schools often work? But I don't know I mean what what what's going to be fascinating is like they took pictures of them rowing on crew machines and sent in as part of their application. Which is perpetuating fraud. They weren't crew members but at the same time. If this Guy Rick Singer told him look this is just part of the dance by making a donation? They got a couple extra spots. We'll get him in that way. Are they guilty of racketeering or fraud or whatever they're being accused of? Is that illegal? What John John? Right would it school? What do you believe? Do you believe that they knew I personally was going on? Yeah but yeah I think so too. I don't know it a private school. If you can prove private schools have the right to a restaurant. They have the right to accept or reject. Anybody it's a private school so it's different. Ucla and USC or different in this case they did commit a fraud. What was the deal with the rowing team? Why why did they even need to do that? They had already given so much money to the university. Why did they need to use the rowing crew scam that they use? It's a good question. I think it comes up in the trial but if if the coach agrees that he took a bunch of money like he got a bunch of that money then I think it makes her story really hard to believe but I think that what's going to be fascinating. Is that particular case Maasim. Oh and Laurie is going to go to trial. And that's GONNA be fascinating to watch. I'll tell you what smart people settled because everybody else is settling. Yeah but they're going to try a lot of legal experts if you if you want to read about it you can't just google. It is a lot of legal experts. Think that their attorneys the attorneys for Laurie and Moss. Moscow have have a really good case. And maybe able to get him off this call so so yes so goodman so good so good man he. Did you ever think when you watch breaking bad? That saw goodman was Saul Goodman. No yeah by the way the other thing I'm trying to figure out. How are they going to come back to the CINNABON store? Yeah that's the other thing that they've done. They didn't go to that for the second half of the season because remember at the cinnabon store he got recognized in the mall. That's right so we know down the line in the future. This would be breaking bad. We know that he has been recognized by somebody outside the cinnabon in the mall. So that's the other thing that's got to be wrapped in this in this next season. They they got a lot of loose strings. But you can definitely see how Jimmy mcgeough became so good man maze. How does this work when they did breaking bad? They didn't have any idea they would do. Better Call Saul after this just to actually incredible success and nobody thought of all. I think they thought of all the Great Mike Allen of you watch breaking bad. Yeah yes all saying like if you look back on those characters like the two the two bad ass twins. The twin murderers those are really good characters. Gustavo fring really good character. But you need a central character who you can be sympathetic towards to build it around. In the case of breaking bad walter white he had real honest dilemmas. He had a special needs son. He had no money. He had to get treatment for a fatal disease. How far would you go any breaks? Bet Odin Kirk. You can sympathize with him. You want for Jimmy. Mcgill is brother was jerk to him right. And he's in. Jimmy McGill is is. How far would you go to win? You know what rules would you break? And now Kim who's always kind of bent him towards justice towards morals is now he's swinging. She's gone to the other side now she's GonNa bend him the other way. Let's face Jimmy's the Houston. Astros of lawyers do whatever it takes doesn't matter what rule he twists around. He's going to do it by the way to cheat in a little. Are you going to be blowing through this break again like we did yesterday and you guys are just? GonNa talk until six twenty five now. Why don't we take a break? I don't know completely up to you. I can either break or we can get like twenty four and be done with them and just be. Let's break now. Then we'll get out of twenty four and then we'll be done with them. Excellent idea mason and Ireland seventeen. Espn fair question. What a life. What a life. You Lead Glamorous Radio Star and your little cell in Chinatown glamorous men in one space in my studio. I could see my bed kitchen well. Branka Ski told US Allen that he has fewer square feet than you and he's living with four other people living with his wife and three kids four hundred square foot apartment so it could be worse. Oh my gosh that is Elena nutshell for us. Yes it is yes. It is so so sleep. We've been watching We've been watching better. Call Saul Finale. Was on Monday night. I got around to watching it last night. I was really excited about it. And it lived up to expectations. I would say it exceeded expectations. I didn't expect it to be as dramatic or to have a twist as big at the end of it as it did. That was absolutely spectacular. The fact that we have to wait and I was asking on our offer and you guys already talked about it but the fact that we gotta wait you know at least a year year and a half and that's the scene that we have that just one scene with low at the end where he's walking out and you know Nacho already out too I mean it's a great show in the fact that breaking bad I don't know by the way I don't. I don't know how much success this is. Having over. Breaking bad breaking bad was a lot more popular. You think I do. I think it was more but remember. Breaking bad was slow built right now. Seasons one through four of better call Saul are on Netflix and ultimately season five will be on Netflix too. And that's what saved a few talk to Vince Gilligan. Or Peter Gould or Tom Shaw's or any of those guys that run the show They will tell you that. Netflix is what made breaking bad happens. So ideally you get you get buzzed. Now and people have plenty of time to now go back and watch five seasons and get ready for the finale. There's a chance. It builds the same way. That breaking bad does okay guys do some better call. Saul Trivia. Lena Man. Live for it. Okay all right here. We go Funchess any kind of music. You're feeling back there. How about that? Oh well that's couldn't get any better nat. Okay here got some gimmes by the way. So just your name okay. What is Jimmy's brother's named John? Mason John Chuck. I really thought I was. I not even close to being i. I must be on a delay. Okay what does Hector Salamanca Commute? How does Hector Communicate Interesting? Won't be buzzes him? You can't read the rest of the question I had it anyway. Had I known as sleeping was trying to give it to you? Yeah that's on me. That's not me one here. We go the name of Gustavo's chicken chain. Oh God wait. I'm drawing a blank Poyet's hair minos is it want great at this whole Trivia Thing Allan. Thank you appreciate that appreciate that. What kind of car does Saul Dr John Boy? I duNNo. I can picture it. I'm going to say he drives held together by Bondo. I he drives a oldsmobile. Makes YOU WANNA take a shot? He drives a Ford Suzuki. Suzuki esteem. Is this car. Oh Wow what. Tv NETWORK DOES BETTER CALL AIR ON. A new fleet. My legal last name was AMC. Took lizzy what do we do that? I chose Acapella Ireland. Gets it okay character trying to get out of of both gangs now representing Balsam Mason? That is Nacho Varga. Three two try and find the right one here name of the Bank Kim. Alexa Represents Mason may thirty three three guys three. This aim seven named to riders of better cost Gun Mason skill again and Peter Gould. Four to three guys boo did he really. I honestly think I get some of these. Get screwed out of your mind. You may be a conspiracy here. Basis like shelley winters heat. He thinks they called his name to win an award when they completely floor. You Michael Thompson referencing shelley winters shelley. Winters this yeah. I know but I'm talking. Adventure average audience member doesn't know what the Poseidon Adventure was. There's like zero seventy three zero modern person that has heard their name called and ran up there. There was that well member. There's the one where they screwed up the best picture. La La land yet called up and they didn't win. That was so funny. Greatest thing in the world trade. Your remember who did win. What's the won Miss Earth? Who DIDN'T WIN FOR LA LA land moonlight moonlight who recalled up the Miss Universe? Still a great night Miss Colombia. That got screwed out of it. It's like wait wait. I'm sorry I'm sorry. That was amazing. Still a great night just a classic line that will go down in history so you like to hang around more. But we're done with you. Where are you going up? I got things to do? I get a Jacuzzi and participate in the cabinet ski show. Yeah we're out of here but still a great night. Fellas sounds good. See you back tomorrow to fifty five sharp seven ten ESPN.

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Rob & Akiva Need a Podcast #59: Gilmore Girls | Season 3, Episode 7 Recap

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Rob & Akiva Need a Podcast #59: Gilmore Girls | Season 3, Episode 7 Recap

"Whoa you we the needle thank you okay thank you yes that's right? Thank you for being a friend. Kiva Rebecca what a theme song out that do in the theme song. I don't think that Chester had it in right. I think it was in there. I think no. I don't think I appreciate it. Did Not make the cut. I am running this year with Akiva. Winokur we'll be talking about season three episode seven of the Golden Girls Coming up here today on episode number fifty. Nine of Robin Kiva need a podcast. Very excited to talk about the golden girls with you. Akiva yeah I are we the golden guys this week like we're all does that it. No I feel like that's like if we talk about the Gilmore Girls. What are the Gilmore guys? So that's I guess but are we the golden guys. I think that where we are not in our golden years. Think you have to be like of a certain age to be the golden guys. Nice is it plus fifty like Aarp eligible what what is the. Yeah what is the age we in Golden Years. And this is our FRI- probably only gonNA go downhill right. Golden Age Golden Years. I'm not sure but keep it. How old are the golden within girls? Is that ever established o on the show because I was going to answer how old the actress no on the show. I mean 'cause I watched this show when I was a kid and I don I don't ask me how old they cause the FIA and we have to start with. How old is Sophia and then then work backwards? But you know I don't know if we're you know have jumped too far ahead in this golden girls coverage yeah I mean I think we should explain who the four characters are. Well let's just explain Just set up the show we've gone. We've completely skipped over our our pre show banter. How're you doing? I'm doing great. We had we had a nice half hour little talk Always enjoy but then like at a certain point realize that we've been recording. We're talking right. We're not as bad as what we had with Hannah last week. Yeah last week was a nice one hour. Hit all time record. I think of Most of wine show talk before before a three hour. PODCAST ever a lot of making sure. We're not recording. Yeah so ninety day fiance last week. What was the response for ninety? Say people say we're still in hot streak. I think to hand it got a lot of press had a carried the show yes. She carried the show she really late. She was really like the Emmy Award for best guest star and a podcast coming our way I did end up moving along and I watched another episode ninety fiance During the week last week shocking. I'm shocked said you wouldn't now having watched two episodes. Yeah you think you think you know. The Full Season Watch is is on the horizon. It's a possibility what I liked about. It was that I could just have it on. I didn't pay attention to it and I. It's it's the same type of show that I could watch it to x speed. I could watch it while I'm doing nine other things and still follow what was going on. I think I watched it on on Tuesday night and I think I did about sent off about twenty emails. During the course of watching the nine fiance. I really need to incorporate break more mindless entertainment into my schedule Wall and less cable news. Yeah you should never watch cable news says I think you could get the same information on eight minutes and twitter four hours it but I wanna see what they're gonNA say next so I yeah yeah. I really like that for my mental health. I think that more ninety fiance I think would probably be a positive prescription. I'm thinking he's ever said that before but I I'm with you. I will say you can really you almost have. It's like so mindless that a lot of the time you could fast one one of my big reality. TV pet peeves and luckily The shows you mostly cover especially survivor. Don't really do this but the challenge does this a lottery is just do this is they. They have a sort of a cliffhanger when they go to commercial. Yeah but then they rehash the previous twenty seconds when you come back during static. Yeah it's either the bachelor does it So if you're if you're good fast forwarding you can really cut out half the show by cutting through it. Okay all right any other updates or things you want to touch on before we talk. All girls I don't know almost let me ask you almost and you could think about this. Maybe for the mail bag for almost that upset sixty four. Yes so you know we have to think like are we going to have a AH tournament of every episode. We've ever done people keep asking me. Yeah okay I guess. We'll keep an eye on that. All right Golden met girls. We're in the I. Guess the Golden Era of PODCASTS. I mean in terms of like a word fifty nine here. So that's a very like golden girls ish age. Yes I. Yeah I think the the youngest of the four was was maybe fifty one when they started and everyone who else was in their sixties. Okay and what's really crazy is and we'll go over all the people in a second. I will say that was religious. I don't I think they say they're okay. I have a couple of ages here. But what's interesting is that I think three to four are born in the early twenties these and then B Arthur is born in the mid thirties but they all died off black within like eighteen months of each other except famously betty white who still kicking yes betty white Still going strong so I guess we should explain a little bit of what the Golden Girls. As at that to our younger audiences we have a lot of like millennials and Gen xers is out there that Hear US talking about the golden girls are like okay boomer What's this show well? Golden Girls is a sitcom that ran an on. NBC for seven seasons There was a spinoff also called Golden Palace which I believe ran on. CBS Do do you know about the spin off. Yeah I never heard of it before. We started watching they did one full season was without the I. Guess technically like be Arthur. It was Dr Dr Yeah Harder. Yeah yes it's with her mom but without and of course I think the most the number one fun fact everybody knows about the show is that B B Arthur is. Mother is played by steady. Who is in real life? I believe a few months younger than her Right right yeah. She was in like prosthetic To be the oldest member of the cast but the golden girls ran on NBC from September. Hamburg one thousand nine hundred eighty five to May nineteen ninety two. I believe Ran On Saturday nights on. NBC AKIVA did. Did you watch it in the original run or was too young for this too young by the time it ended Nineteen ninety-two I'm eight years old. It's possible despite excellently seen an episode. But I definitely watch it in syndication not every episode. I've seen here and there girls. Yeah I used to watch it. Why in its original run of that? There was knowledge stuff on Saturday night of I watch and so there was like a friends calling you friend friend. Like I'm saying you had like people calling. Hey I wanNA go out tonight. Rob's I can't do. New episodes of the golden girls are on. I mean during the run of the golden girls that I was was Age Seven to at the end of the run fourteen at no point in this. Did I have any friends that called called me on the phone so I don't think it was appointment television but I think that it was just like a lot of Saturday nights. We're sitting there in front of the TV and it it was part of an NBC block. There was a couple of other shows. Empty Nest was was on during that it was not a big empty nest guy. I tolerated it with Joey sue was like the neighbor and then there was also nurses I think and they would have like the like they tried tried to do. It was like the poor man's must see TV like they did a couple of things where it was like. Oh and like all the shows were like in Miami like the NBC. Saturday Saturday night was to like the NBC. Thursday night would be like all these shows were based in New York and then Saturday night would be all these shows that were based in Miami Florida and they would have like a couple of times. Oh It's a hurricane all the shows are going to have the hurricane come through was emptiness the golden girls spinoff. I'm not sure I don't believe so. Think so maybe nurses I think that it was like a shared universe. But I don't think it was the Seattle off. Yeah Shared Universe pilot. Yeah the G. G. U. of the expanded Golden Girls Universe Yeah now the golden girls is about three ladies that are in their fifties. I guess late fifties to start the show They move in together in a house. I know that I believe rose's husband has died that Dorothy is divorced and Blanche inch has had many suitors. Not sure if she was ever married and they move into a house in Miami with the mother of one of the remain characters. Dorothy they are the FAB. Four of the Golden Girls Sofia. Dorothy rose and blanche. I do think that you could do a pretty pretty easy. One to one comparison with the sex in the city crew. Okay so can you give it to us. So dorothy is You know she's carry. She's the Nuclear Arthur. Yeah start these. She's she's the normal one. And then blanche is you know very easily the Samantha Kim Cottrell. The you know the SEC speech word the what they call her a tramp ramp in this episode. We wouldn't call her that. They called her tramp shaped like that. What's that so rue mcclanahan when when golden girls started is one year older than J.? Lo is now okay true. Call Girl also from Miami Right yes. He's from the Bronx. Excuse from the Bronx but she Miami and they block is Collins Avenue and then I think rose does is Charlotte. And she's like the naive one you know. They have to explain everything to her. I was thinking the the best of everybody and then I think then then we have been. Sophia is you know the sarcastic wise cracking Miranda. Okay Yeah I think that's pretty good. I also think and maybe at the end of the show. We should do this. But I'd like talk for us to recast. The golden girls like doing a spin off Nashville. Oh No I think Jaylo is blast. J.LO's pledge I'd like it has to be actresses. I'd say into their fifties. Because that's that's when everyone was here made with a Mama's little older. I think we should do that. Maybe the world is ready for a golden girls Comeback he could have done it. The Arthur a Betty White was starring and shows it was like I don't know why they didn't just make our the estill and have three more people and do use that Ip instead of like some ev Lonzo. Yeah so oh. So have betty white be the new you sophia and then cast the three women to be the Dorothy Blanche and rose. I think think the ship is probably sailed. I don't know if any white is still really. Yeah at the moment About ten years ago like the start of this decade Betty White was really killing. It was it was she hosted. SNL When I think twenty twelve okay twenty ten I signed anyway. Jay Z one of the great great episodes came into this decade red hot. I think she's probably had in semi retirement at this point semi-retired and she has not start. She was in something that aired in two thousand seventeen I don't believe she has done anything. She's gotten very active twitter with over a million followers. But I assume she's got a social media team. I would think so I would think so okay. So that's that's the what the golden girls is and you know it was a beloved show it has really had some sort of a a second life here in syndication. Where where does it air the hallmark channel? I'm not sure a mature. I like the old shows shows were on TV land but I'm not sure if if it's on TV and it's also on Hulu if listeners you really get into it and visit eight holds up very well. I agree very very well. It's really funny show. It helps it very well. It was very well done. It was never I at the time I like. I don't know what it was like. If it was ever a top ten the show aired on Saturday night it did have its fans but I don't know if it was ever really thought I was but I imagine in the eighteen to forty nine demo. Komo it was nowhere close but yeah it was a top until the last season it was always a top. It was never up three but it was like seven four five four six six okay. That's I mean that's huge number. So I don't know. John Burst on a Saturday night. I don't know you wouldn't think that you would have a show like you would never have a show now. That was a top was a sporting event that was at a certain point. They stopped really having any new shows on Saturday night. But that was at the end of the nineties basically So yeah so there it is and then you're really fell off in the ninety ninety one season. What happened there gave I think I I don't know it? It probably just like age too much and I'm not sure how was was be Arthur even like there at the end and seven. Yeah I think she stayed the whole way through on the run bilden girls. I'm not sure maybe people got sick of it. I don't know maybe like I have no idea. The sitcoms shouldn't air for two hundred up Yeah twenty five episodes of season. There's there's one hundred eighty episodes of the show more. Okay all right. So we're going to talk about that season. Three episode seven of the Golden Girls and anything else. We need to set the table with for the golden girls. I don't think so wild. Golden Girls Episode to talk about. It is a wild episode. I like to think and again I haven't seen the show in twenty years. I'd like to think that this is not atypical. There are a lot of very special episodes. It's of the golden girls or is it frequently about enough. I think that there are special episodes of the golden girls. I do think that there are lessons. That end up Being learned. I don't think it's very Seinfeld as square. No lessons no hogging. I do think. There's a Lotta hugging. I do think there's a lot of at the end of the episode. You Know Sophia and Dorothy having a moment or the friends themselves having a a moment of I really appreciated you or your my real family. I mean you say. No SEINFELD's famous mantra of no hugging the learning this episode literally ends with hugging and learn. Yeah I think that's you know I it's it's a wholesome. I'm show the golden girls. It's it's interesting because it is I it is wholesome but it's also like not G. rated. Yeah well there is a lot of dirty stuff in the golden girls and a lot of stuff about Sex Blanche dates a lot in the show. I feel like that. There's a lot of stuff that goes on with. Rose like being naive about certain things and then having to explain stuff to her so yeah. There's there's a lot of stuff that probably is you know not G. rated. I think we're good way to put it. One of the reasons it holds up. Ah like you said is I think it's a little bit ahead of its time. Yeah you know. They don't really date it that much. The show could easily be a ninety show. It does not you know. We're watching an episode from one thousand nine hundred eighty eight or eighty seven. This show could easily be well into the night. Yeah really does hold up. Well I think that's part of the the longstanding appeal of the golden girls but let. Let's talk about this episode of the Golden Girls That is in question and it involves the the golden girls get kind of political political. Here that there is a city councilman candidate that the Dorothy and Blanche and rose for whatever reason have gotten like very invested in the city councilman candidacy of a man named Guilt Kessler. Yes I don't know if they've shown any previous affinity for politics we don't know how they no-go Kessler you'll Kessler has never seen before or or again after this episode. Yeah he's a one time character but they're they are basically are they throwing like some sort of a fundraiser for Gil Kessler on like two days before the election. One one of the weird things about this episode is the time line where it is two days before the election is getting demolished in the polls that seems as like casually just throwing a fundraiser. For Yeah and so. This episode entitled Strange Bedfellows follows. How's the story of the candidacy of Gil Kessler for city councilman? And so they. I guess they didn't want Sophia to calm She comes out during this fundraiser. They're having four Gill Kessler Dorothy like escorts her into the kitchen and and says mom. I told you to stay in your room until the party was over and Sophia who is the funniest character on the show says stay in my room until the party's over what am I alf. Yeah Nice Future. An APP reference. Sophia is really funny. I I the the mom I also think it's. It's very relatable the fact that you like in your sixties and you're still embarrassed by your mom. Yeah that's a lot of the lot of them. Are you still embarrassed by your. I'm still embarrassed by my dad every time like you know when I had no job in my dad I was like dude. Just meet people on the street and he'll meet a successful guy in and be like all right. Here's my son's email. Give them a job like he'll just start giving my CV on the street. It's very embarrassing. I I wouldn't say that I uh-huh embarrassed by my mom too often so Like I tried to like like that happens. I try to appreciate it. Yeah one day I will. I will grow out of it but at a certain point and my kids already embarrassed by me still embarrassment. My Dad probably embarrassed by his dad's though the character of guilt Kessler is played by a guy who like I guess like like I M for speaking of the if you're going to hand out a CV than his is about nine pages long the CBS John Shock. I guess I must made a career as a character actor. I don't know if he has anything any role that is he's particularly Italy known for his. IMDB shows known for Mash main character on Mash and then he's in a couple of Star Trek movies which I'm sure must appeal to you. Yeah he's in every his. It seems like his number one credit is show called the munsters today. which must be a reboot out of the monsters? Do you remember the show existing. Yes why why was he. He's Herman Oh he was. Herman I read Gary. No no he's sermons. Oh there's very possible. There's been multiple Munster's reboot. Yeah am I crazy. Did Brad Garret ever do a monsters reboot did did he do a monster movie. Maybe there's a little too early for Brad Garret on it Garett yeah he's in every show. Oh like once this John Show yeah okay. Eighty S and ninety. Yes I do. Remember the monsters reboot. This guy. Played a Herman Munster so. Dr Thieves really believes in this guy calls him acidic leader but like a narrative. He's a wimp that he's everybody seems to know this about this guy which I didn't really get that he doesn't seem very wimpy. He seems like a pretty big guy. Yeah they're telling us a lot of things about about guilt Kessler that like they're telling not showing you know what I mean like. We don't really see it at all. He is a big man We don't like but they're they're like they all think like yeah. He's a whim. People don't really respect by the way a John Shucks best Read it going through. Credits is a quickly cancelled. TV show that that he is the one of the titular stars in all the homes and Yoyo the cases of a hard luck police detective and is android partner and John Chuck is is Yo. Oh you assume I assume the the hands but not the. I'm not sure if not clear from seven for homes in Yo Yo I'm we could put it in the crappy move. TV shows or if we ever have also a show called McMillan and wife. I'm not sure if he was the titular McMillan. No He's Lieutenant Charles and right but I think there's a long-running shop. I think it's a famous show from the Macmillan famous. Show it I've heard of it. I don't like famous as rock Hudson and was the star of it It's weird. It says that it aired from seventy one seventy seven but also says that rock Hudson was only in forty episodes. Nobody's more it was canceled and brought back. Yeah we have to do a deep dive in McMillan. What's McMillan and son? Is that a different show. I don't he's also in Simon and Simon and Garfunkel McMillan. Camila wife I don't know why okay they changed the name to Macmillan from McMillan and wife the white I guess Nineteen seventy-six Rock Hudson. Susan Saint James. Yeah I believe is my former boss wife. I believe. That's the wife I don't know they killed off. Susan Susan Saint James. Rip To okay. I don't know much about the show. Rock Hudson wasn't he like a really famous guy. Yes yes is like the the Ryan gosling feeling of his day. Sure sure well. I think that US famous for that he was also. They came out later that he was gay. I think that's what somebody's that's what he's known like sort of it but I don't think that's what he was famous for that right. Yeah it wasn't famous. I don't think people knew that. Yeah that is in his wicked eighty. I duNno yacht CUTSEM. Yes I think that. That's sort of like what he ended up being being his claim to fame right. That's yeah I don't know I don't want to know what the show has. Seven season in forty episodes. I'm like okay. Well let's get back to the golden girls. Yeah because You know you'll Kessler. Everybody's very invested in his candidacy and so like the end of the night. He's leaving we get sort of an aside decide that By the way is wife is out of town but it was a great party he needs to go home and so that the election is two days as away but they realized that he left a folder at the house. Somebody needs to go. Bring the folder to Gil Kessler Ladies as was good time for folders and Blanche is the person who's going to bring the folder to You'll kesslers house a blade. They make it seem like Blanche's allergic to doing work They realize Oh. She's going to wash dishes. No she'd rather go over there than watch them dishes okay. So she's going to go live together they only yeah. You don't really see too many other rooms of the house other than just the living room and the kitchen. I was reminded of this when we were watching the episode like the Living Room set. Looks like it goes back pretty far but they never they never spend any time whatsoever in the back back of the room. It's interesting the it's I know the shows in Miami but this is the house almost looks like a cabinet. Like I've been a lot of housing southbound. I've never seen a house that looks like right. It's like it looks like they're in like a cabin in the woods It's very high. It's very it's all like woody the you know the inside You know what the set looks a lot like. I'm looks like a lot like a lot of sick. I'm house but the family matters house I'd have to go. Its structure where tasing you're sort of in the TV facing the rest of the room as you're you know what I mean And you're just in this big room that doors on the left the kitchens on the right I mean I guess there's a lot of sitcoms and that's your view for the whole episode basically. Yeah all right. We don't go into the bedrooms like we're really just in like these two sets or most of the show for most most of the episodes take place in the living room in the kitchen. I feel like I can remember a couple of times. That people are in their in their bedrooms or bathroom. But I feel like that you now now Most of the golden girls episodes take place in the living room in the kitchen and so the next morning. Roses hammering hammering. She's making like a birdhouse that she wants to put. Guy Guilt Kessler low goes on and Dorothy is not happy because she has her up sorely and and Sophia comes in with a bunch of newspapers. And they're talking about it had been set up that Gil Kessler is doing really poorly in the polls. He's doing really really doing bad. But then Sophia comes in with all. These newspapers witch have reported the news about they caught Guilt Kessler. Having an affair we do we not find out if he wins the election or not. I don't recall by the end of the but we have a lot of twists and turns earns to go before we get there. Yeah but I'm just thinking now like we don't know if he wins or loses unaware so amazingly we said before it's it's really way too late like the birdhouses. This is an interesting idea. You got to do that three months before the election. Not Two days before also she would meet wine. I don't know how she's going to mass. Produce the bird a bird house it would take a while Proba. Aw Yeah I I. Yeah when you're that far down in the polls you almost need a scandal you know. I don't know losing by twenty point. I think that's what we're going to tap into here. Yes this episode. Because so Gil Kessler that the newspapers are reporting. Some you know these big city councilman elections the Miami. Hi It's Jamie a local election bead we're staking out guilt kesslers house. And they were waiting there all night right long for guilt Kessler to return from this fundraiser. which for a guy who was like so far behind in the polls that the you know they're they're sitting outside his his house like he's like a presidential candidate and you know it's two days before the election and they spotted a woman going into Gil Kesslers House? You think this is why why newspapers died because they had like thirty Steve Courses. Yeah the losing candidate. The no hope city council candidate just Outside of House looking for a scoop. Yeah they were just hemorrhaging money. Trying to follow all these City Councilman Races and they see the pictures in the newspaper and and rose says. Hey that looks like Blanche's shoes this floozy stall Blanche's close And of course that we are realizing that the these photos are indeed of Blanche. Yeah I love how Betty White is in the show. It's charming yeah so it keeps how this morning this was. He went home late at night. How what's the turnaround? Time on these Miami papers to get this story out. They were printing ten different editions. Stay up late to get the west coast scores right like. Oh you know I agree. It is crazy. Like he's going over there at eight nine o'clock and And and it's in the paper at seven in the morning. It's pretty. It's pretty well the time the time on here here but again. That's how newspapers used to work. You have the scores in the paper and news that happened. You know they. They print a new press of something. Interesting happened not like twenty nineteen Yeah okay okay so this is like basically. TMZ has this story. of that Guild Kessler is caught with a with a woman. That's not his wife. We never see or hear from the wife also during accepts. Oh Yeah we never hear from Gil. Kessler's wife and so- Blanche inch tells her friends and Sophia that. Hey nothing happened. I brought the folder this house and then I helped them pick out his clothes and and I stayed there and we talked and nothing happened. Although Blanche has the reputation of being somebody who has had for many experiences with many men in her past and nobody is buying what she has to say yes. She's the girl who slept with a wolf. Oh Yeah and my so blanche is going to. She's basically it says the I.. Nobody nobody but you guys don't believe me and she ends up storming off your bad for Blake because the audience knows like she's sound the trip but do we friends don't believe her. Yeah I believe her. You didn't believe Blanche not really what she likes to Brag about you know why would she say no to this. Well I guess yeah. Why would she not kiss Intel and so we see Dorthy? She's sleeping on the couch. And then Sophia comes and tells her says look. Something is off with with this with this guilt Kessler. I know he has a secret. He's hiding something yes right. That's her big thing is that she is. She is convinced that he is hiding something. Yeah something is off about Gil Kessler and then Sophia goes into one of her trademark stories. One of her catchphrases picture it picture. It Sicily Nineteen nineteen twenty. Two she tells the whole story and about people stomping grapes. Not really sure what we're the takeaway was from this story. I think there are they trying to say. She's like semi senile. But she's also kind of always right in the end. I well I do think that Sophia is always proved right. I don't think they're saying that she's senile but She seems to you know. There's a method to her madness. But I really don't know how this story that she tells us about the the the people the grape stompers had athlete's foot and then the wine tasted like necks and but she basically was using this story to prove hunches or never wrong and she has a hunch about this this guy yeah. He's always right. Yeah so everybody gets together. There's a press conference. Finally Gill Kessler is going to give a press conference about This whole situation. The scandal and Gil Kessler comes forward and admits that yes that they he asked to come clean that he did have an affair with blanche devereaux. Yeah and Blanche's. They're all sitting there watching as people do they need. These people have jobs who the golden girls the court for yeah. I don't know they might be retired. I I feel like that. Dharthi does something that she has like I want to say she is. She like like publisher or writer. I hear Wikipedia says. She's a substitute teacher. Okay Betty White works at a grief. Counseling Center becomes an assistant consumer reporter. Enrico Rica Moss Rue mcclanahan blanche is employed in art museum and even still had a few part time jobs mostly involving food. Yeah I mean they're almost never at work Yeah very rarely. Do we see The golden girls working but so gil announces. Yes it's true. You know I I ended up sleeping with with blanche devereaux. Yes yes I yes I had an affair. This is a funny bit where they all the reporters are on. TV before he speaks Blanche's clearly like knows all of them pretty well Mhm Wait how do you how do you know every single reporter in Miami Yeah so Blanche's swearing up and down. She didn't do it. Sophia puts a phone call. All she gets on the phone and she calls people magazine and she asks for the Department that Bhai Stories about politicians that sleep with sleazy broads. Yeah it was pretty funny And I didn't realize people with such a big thing in eighty seven already but I guess it was. It was huge So you know blanche. The answer is not happy about this and so rose in Dorothy. Don't even want to talk to blanche that. How could you do this with Gil? Oh Kessler. He was the candidate that we believed in. And they're all saying you know. Why would he lie about this blanche? We know we don't believe you. Yeah Republican or Democratic. You'll Catholic I don't know there's no way for these women vote for the same party normally. Also you don't think so. I guess it's more of a social circle like it doesn't really matter he's a city councilman there just voting for their friend. They believe in it and they believe him what he stands for. I think so And so you know blanche swears like How how do you feel about this that I swear on a stack of bibles? Dorothy says you sound like Jim. And Tammy Faye on nightline and she swears her annus. You've got that joke. Yeah Yeah Jimmy Baker. Yeah I've I've heard of them Angeles. And they ended up like they were. I think they basically embezzling money from the attempted Baker that there's a big punch line in the eighties for on different things like SNL uh-huh yeah the Go-to she had like big fake eyelashes. And we'd like a cry and they make a bunch of apologies Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker So she's no longer with us. Tammy Faye Yeah I think she was also a surreal life person. I think that she was a One of the first or second season of the surreal is Tammy Faye Bakker should they bring back the surreal life. Why I don't think they should not for what's what's the point? Yeah a trip seven. Surreal life we we got. We got CHARRO. They've cool yeah yeah even fillet of Jordan Knight Brigitte Nielsen Three of the surreal. Life was sort of a big deal. Yeah Yeah Yeah Well Flavor Flav and Brigitte Nielsen started dating from that show. I think that what's going. In two thousand four she appeared on the second season of the surreal life. Okay and Treselle. Yes she was on with Ron Jeremy Vanilla ice traci Bingham Erik Estrada. OUGHTA in. I'm Kinda in on bringing it back. Yeah that's a pretty good cast now. Maybe the cats got worse as they went on a C.. Season Season Six. Let's see how it ends the LEX SARCASI- Deville Steve Harwell Sherman Hemsley Maven Offman. Twenty contain Angela. They lost yeah. It's pretty the season five. They'd Omarosa Jose Could Seko's Gr- you know like Janice Dickinson like that's some good TV. Yeah Yeah. They didn't get famous. I feel like casting a ideal feel like fantasy. Surreal Life Team might be fun all episode Okay so blance going to go to get Gill kesslers office and then she storms in and they don't WanNa see see her there but she goes into goes Segal Kessler Tessler and Guilt Kessler. Admits it okay. Fine you're right. I lied about the whole thing. So let's just sort of explore the galaxy brain thinking here ear for Guilt Kessler. Who was losing for city councilman but then got caught up in this affair and then all of a sudden the people of Miami said hey this is the kind a city councilman that we need that we we we liked? Gill kesslers Hassler's Ideas but we just too big of a wimp yeas too. Big of a WIMP couldn't even have an affair now now now his name's out there in the news Kinda like this guy. No publicity is bad. Publicity Jimmy Gill Kessler Gross. A guilt casler when when When Blanche goes to his office as though Dole has a larger city council office then I like Hillary Clinton had when she ran for president? Yes Utah Miami. Downtown Miami just like dozens of rooms hundreds of workers. Yeah and this is the guy was losing. You can only imagine the incumbent not even losing losing by a lot. He's getting credit. Yes you can you. Also what. What is the city councilman do? What is the role of a city councilman? Oh you know a lot of city council stuff. Yeah you don't know I don't know she you as you're you you're like my wise confidante. I feel like I feel like I mean what do you mean they have you. Yeah they they. They like make the rules for the city. Council is a local sort of Congress What is Catholic? Do we're going to. How stuff works DOT com? Okay Yeah Alderman. That sounds just in Chicago Aldermen. Were counselors generally act as the legislative branch of the city government as well as policy making body the the city council there by the way. There's a podcast called L. E. podcast. They just talk about like La Local. You should listen to. Oh yeah you don't sound so interesting but it's by He's he's one when my favorite podcasts he just does one series one Bet You'd like it. You should listen to an episode The council also looks at the city's goals major projects and infrastructure improvements raging tweet. Could we talk to a city. Councillors councillor episode. I don't think so. Okay Manchester Deputy City clerk. Kathy Kathy Gardner says seeing the city as a whole is never so far from an Alderman's mind you if they focus only on the ward this is the wards. Where's the war just Chicago? You don't have a word but you live okay all right So back to you'll Kessler. Alright Akiva this. Got Me thinking all right. So guilty Kessler was able to go from down down in the bottom of the dumps in the polls. Do then coming out. And being now the front runner for city councilman. And so this. This got me thinking is there somebody. That's on the periphery of it. The Democratic primary field is there's is. There's there's somebody who might be so desperate that they should think about pulling a guilt Kessler right now manufacturer. I got air yes. I got a few core cory booker zone. Rosario Dawson with a bigger celebrity. ooh think that's big. Yeah Ah that's I think that's the way to go because what people care of what Kim Castro is you know starts cheating on his wife. No one's GONNA get. I believe King Castro. His brother brother. I believe Oh I'm sorry the one I like San Antonio the one who's the mayor Senate on like yeah So Do you cheat on Rosario Dawson with Yeah Julio Castro Stripe twins yeah they are twins. They're twins but now the the his brother has brother beforehand because they should play that more. I feel like that they should that ricky Friday it like not in like a parent trap. They should send him to do some of the. Yeah I think that that would be good. I just SORTA like rise above the the noise so if he sends his brother to a debate as him. I think that would be a big deal. I feel like more people would know him the next day. If it's a good idea rather the debate is him. If it got found out where people be man no one would care. It's still like it's the debate like it's not like some formal l. thing and then what if nobody notices because people were afraid to like be the dumb one who doesn't know which brothers which the next day he goes viral with a tweet like showing that he's the one watching his brother debate Yeah I look I think at this point this no get arrested right now i. I don't even know his first name and I followed. Yeah so you think cory booker should pull off. The I wasn't thinking I wasn't thinking well because he's already got Rosario Dawson so now you have two people involved you got mad. Yeah he who is he cheating on her with that. You can't J.lo's interrelationship Herod's but I feel like that. He would lose people at the point where he came out the he really was cheating like maybe a rumor like if he could get like the rumor out there. Oh he is he seeing somebody else. What's and then let this let the rumor get out? And then you know wasn't real. I don't know if he would lose votes necessarily but it was definitely get some heat. Yeah I agree. He doesn't confirm or deny that. Say let's see who are the people don't want people take Rosario Dawson's they'll have her back. Yeah Yeah Okay. Let's see where we should run the cory booker campaign. I think why should wanting nineteen biggest female celebrities resort Dawson. How many twitter followers did she have while you're looking at I don't know how about Kardashian Jenner. That's too young. Yeah I can. I think that's good. Hey Hey did you curve cory. Booker is texting with Khloe Kardashian. Maybe like you drop some sort of you know screen shot. Yeah I like it resolves Bruce Fein she's like retweeting and she's okay people by that I think people would buy. Let's say and then then they don't I wanNA talk about it. They don't WanNa talk about it but people be mad. People like Rosario Dawson. Yeah so and I don't know that's the problem with the other wives would be like really do anything you think they're talking about like a press conference I am talking. You know. That's that's good. And then and then get married Cory Booker and Rosario Dawson look at us. We like basically figured get out this whole democratic twenty twenty twenty one cory booker you the senator. You probably get elected the rest of your life. You're dating frigging Rosario Dawson. Some why does he want to be president frame. It's just embarrassing himself by getting like percent seems like he's very nice guy like what would what. What's the point? There's a lot of stress it to be the president. Why would you want the president unless you're a lunatic? Yeah it's got big ideas okay. All right We only talk about stupid politics. Not Ah policy well. There's no way for us to talk about politics. And not okay. So Yeah Shooting Guilt Kestler Kessler that he comes out and he says or he only let me rephrase that he starts talking to Blanchet says. Yes okay okay. I have not been honest. I needed to be honest city councilman and you made me realize that he ends up up saying to blanche you get sit down. That not only did he lie about this. He also is not who he says he was that he talks about how he had an operation and he used to be a part time stenographer and he he was born as Anna Maria Bonnici Yeah the big revelation. He's a Bona Ducci. Yeah there's really no like the show is playing it off like it's this big deal but there's also like no they're not like you know preparing you for it all. There's no like Oh oh you know they had no like Innuendo or anything. Yeah as completely out of the blue and so I do think that the golden girls does get a lot of credit for being sort of like You know a progressive ahead of its time show but now it's just finest moment probably for the golden girls. It's funny because they probably thought they nailed it. You know they they sort of They sort of it because they're not gonNA. It's not very heavy handed for most the. They're not really making jokes about it. He's only saying it in the sense that like well you know I needed like this is who I need to be spread my wings and fly. Nobody's nobody's like you know people are do gas I think when he says it right. Yeah it was just sort of dropped on you of who I said I was. I was born Anna Maria Bonnici and so then and then we see the reaction from the golden girls when they when they find this information out. Yes and one of the best parts of the sodas. When the mom drops drops her line What did she say Sophia or a says that I knew it? Yeah I knew he was lying. He's he's he's not with that knows he has to be Italian. Yeah Rosen Dharthi are trying to work this out where air rose You know she's often confused about things she's asking about his hearts and do they work and Dorothy ends up yelling wing at her that I look. I don't know how it works. And we ended up. getting blanche coming in and so they end end up. Having a conversation about how blanche isn't mad at them anyway. Long Story Short Blanche is going to end up then and she wouldn't lie to her friends and she says yes. Some of that exaggerate my stories and I haven't you know just because you know you had a boring day doesn't mean that other people have to suffer through a boring story and then they ask her the truth about a bunch of different people and then what does she is. She basically like she was she lying about these different people. Not they throw yeah not clear but she says is true to every story. There was a guy when I was in high school. who was like the one ladies man when we were great or whatever yeah and he would always tell these wild stories and of course you want to believe them never else like no girls knew my name like it was exciting to hear the stories right? Yeah and then one. We ended up catching that he was lying. Because because one of his stories was like he went to pathmark or or Dwayne Reed or something and like met a worker are there and like hooked up with her in the back then like he retold the story like two weeks later or he like went back to the store and gone from like a Duane reade to a CVS Like it's switched excellent story and then when he admitted he was like. Oh okay. Yeah I don't know it's not clear if she's lying or not You know it's weird because she started. That's the truth. I guess like for her own entertainment like an they like the stories but like she also thinks they judge her about it. So it's a little weird plan. Yeah all right. So Oh there we go golden girls season three episode seven Did we get any comments or feedback about this. Golden Girls Episode. Not Really. We didn't really encourage people to watch. Can I tell you a couple. More things sure First of all the spinoff which was called the Golden Palace has three of our four stars like we said. No Arthur Do the two main newbies are on the show the two main newbies no the two workers in the Hotel Don cheadle. Oh and cheech from cheech and chunk. Yeah I teach merit I remember that anybody like cheech agent Cheung things. Yeah Yeah. I don't know they're always like just coming up and like their own. Things must have been terrible right. Like when it's like Jeetan in China oversaw each each and Sean movie probably did I. I had like so many You know it'll channels. When I was a kid so they were on a lot? I never thought they were good. I also like wasn't into that that sort of culture. Yeah I I think you have to be a sort of state of mind. Sure really appreciate what they had on those movies. Yeah I've seen I've seen a couple of them. Look I think they had a like. I mean this stupid. Yeah can we can we. Can we cast the the new golden girls sure. Let's let them all right now. Are we casting a new rose. Who is a woman who is somebody who is like of the same age as the rest of the cast? But she's wearing prosthetics or we could do that or somebody they're either way. I think work. I think this is a little bit of a challenge. So all right so are we looking for like like sitcoms stars or you're GonNa cast like movie stars it could be movie stars. I feel like people who realistically could do with TV. Show okay all right. GimMe your new golden girls. Do you have any any thoughts on this. I'm just thinking All Right Kim basinger sixty four get Kim basinger. is she a comedy person. I thought. Listen to this okay The sex and the city cast all of them. Yeah okay do the new golden girls. That's not bad. I think U. S. J. P.. I think they say no. I think they say no because they hate each other. If you're if you're sap's agents you bring these star rob if your agent you bring sir. You're getting fired at that. Okay fine fine you bring her. She wants to play young. Oh sorry sorry you're too. You're too good to play. Dorothy in the new reboot of the golden girls. Okay for the BEA Arthur. Yeah who's Zantop e Arthur for the younger for the younger all they someone needs to be about fifty five. I've got two names for you. Okay Kim Cottrell. That's not bad Courtney Cox. It wasn't a show called Cougar attention. It's fifty five Vivica Fox also fifty five. Okay like I. Oh I like this I like according to Cox I can't I can't say I know she also did Cougar. Town I think Vivica Fox. That's a winner Yeah they're not into Kim Basinger. Yes Goldie Hawn Goldie Goldie Goldie Hawn I think is probably probably at least seventy right. I mean you could be on the show and be seventy. Well she seventy five. I think yeah. I think that the idea is we're looking for women that are not necessarily you know. Either I think late eighty late fifties. I think is what we're looking for. Susan Serandon is on twitter. I feel like she accommodate. She's probably funny probably could do both like I feel like we should stick to like people that are like out of the Sitcom world. Who's who else? She just heard her face yesterday. Suzanne sued that. She hurt her face. She hit her head suffered a concussion and fractured her nose. Yeah seventy-three Susan Serandon. Let's see well. What if we just love worked in the world of like ninety s Sitcom Stars okay? WHO's the Vito's wife? could she be the mom real real moment from. Yeah from Chickasha. Could you be the mom at the table able to she still work I I yeah I guess so. Helen Hunt you think Helen Hunt Mad about it just came. That's going to be. I feel like that we should talk about that. The mad about repoed supposedly. It's not great in. Yeah sure you don't say separate wall did not. It was not a fan. Yeah Yeah I feel like the Mand Lisa Kudrow I feel like could be part of our friends. You WanNa do the three female I actually. I don't think that Aniston. Aniston Courtney Cox would be good. But I think that Lisa Cou could be the new rose okay. Ninety S Sitcom Stars ooh I don't know. Yeah but Patricia Heaton She has a shogo already right now. We're can we get her in there you. You could probably think you tissues big on twitter. I think if you got her off twitter it'd be probably a good young gettable people send us in there. Ya Ah that's your best cast and we could read next week in the mail. Your new golden girls rebroadcast. Start anything else on golden girls. No I just really liked the show I would definitely you know. Watch Shaw Watch some more You know watch more golden girls like I would happily watch the more episodes see see what what the gangs yeah. They're still iconic onic. Should they not remake. The golden girls could attic remake. It because what you do. Is You bring more attention to the original search. Yeah how about this. There's really no. Nobody's talking about the reboot. Be The golden guys four guys. Yeah you could do it. I mean I feel like is being w like sacrilege to do like the reverse ghostbusters on the golden girls. who were the four golden guys you get? You want Brad Garret who is not. Ah The monsters Brad. Garret is to them. I think that maybe they used to joke on every Raymond that he was Herman Munster Danny Devito could be could be the mall. You really stuck on this. Danny Devito Rhea Perlman Mary. Yeah Yeah I think yeah yeah you could get Ramono. You're not getting Seinfeld. L. D. E. L. D. for the golden guys. No but I do think you could get George Oh yeah that's good. Yeah this is exactly what he would do he would be he would be up for it. Oh yeah he signing on for sure Jason Alexander Alexander's up there so all right. Maybe like If you could do maybe if you bring back the golden girls and it's a head maybe you could spin spin off the golden guys. But I don't think you can go right to the Golden Palace. No the Golden Palace I think was not a hit. They ran out now. But cheetos got much bigger Now and I think teaching Chongo probably if they could get on cheadle again then they could bring back Golden Palace could be out of. This is like an Apple Apple. TV show and they're thrown two million episode at him. Like they are for you. Know recent Jennifer Aniston Yeah more twitter followers cheadle or or Rosario Ahmed. I'm you know I'm Ed. Rosario Rosario Dawson Rosario Dawson sorry. I'll say resign Dawson now. It's close so Rosario I think like it has gills twelve. The dozen is a little lower. Okay all right all right Uncle Katie. You're ready to talk about the mailbag. Let's do it okay. All right AKIVA before we get into the mail bag of suggestions let me take take a moment and thank our sponsor for this episode of the podcast those our friends over at Bet online dot ag the presenting sponsor answer of the podcast one sports net challenge where I am competing against the other podcast. 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No we did have a sort of We had discussed having an episode where we have listeners. Dress up as rene related characters for Halloween and we didn't end up being a contest. But we got a lot of ideas and I'd like to congratulate our winner and also very briefly. Mention a couple of other costume. Okay yes so our friend. Jim Crumley famously made the wheel. He went up to face F HIS COSTUME WAS CAL ripken in half his costume was Kevin Costner. Did anybody know what that was. Probably not but he you know he. He played himself. And that's really. What a Halloween costume was? Okay dancing S. E. dressed up as the real ever Levin okay We had a we had a couple of baby Romans We had the king cake. AAC Baby Not all these people just up as them but some of them did not a sexy Mister Rogers. Some of these were just ideas salary. Sure what is sexy. Mister Rogers. Lodgers have to do the Roger. Well he says the News as Crossover yes I I would love to that I might go. You see the Mr Rogers movie into a podcast about it. Yeah someone with the dress up as Miao missy. Someone Withdraw Up Balcony Arte Alaba lists Bartok Yeah somebody wants to be the Russian chess guy from say by the Bell Yes Someone went to wear a an adult diaper with the names of all the movies we've covered over. It wanted to be the AHA AH music video. I believe music video call somewhat to be trashed because we everything is trash in. uh-huh you like MTV shows and But then the winner was Angela. Marvel who went is baby. Ruin for Halloween. Okay With a sash that said Rohan cheap. Cheap now he did and she got a lot of likes. It was really. How did you determine the winner? You just pick one. Yeah I just picked the one that got the most like twitter. Okay there you go. So so what does she win. She gets to be on back I think so. I think we said by the way were they. Outstanding mill the first one where where's Megan. Zeon mailbag I've invited her on this milk. Yeah we should say. This is a other than movie podcasts. I believe this is the first time since the thirties were an episode fifty nine. Yeah where it's just the two of us the whole time. So the people who hate the F. O. P. They must love it. They better love this episode. Will he will. I'm sure we'll get the best episode ever or about a hundred better otherwise those people are hypocrites because they they hate the the F. O. P.'s. Even though the F. O.. P. Is the friends of the pot. They a lot of the classics recently have had on them say. Yeah so all right. So yeah we need a Megan Z. still outstanding for manly appearance They had it or she was not Availa. Who was baby? Ruin Angela Angela. And oh come on with anybody else. Did anybody else win. A mailbag visit. I don't think anybody else. One one yet We have some podcast where that's a prize. But we also have most Danny you you know. She's got a money in the bank. Yeah Okay my breath also a mixed bag on the feedback for win loser Bra. Yeah I mean I don't know if we have a full episode out of it you know I don't know I don't know what the idea is so sorry to Hannah who was very much looking forward to us a Losing money and then her getting to buy new bras with that money but listener said they'd by her bra so maybe she got one out of it. Actually yeah okay. All right well I feel like that we need to have the guests sign a waiver. Don't buy anybody any December US get get. You could send US stuff but don't buy anybody any underwear. We Santos underwear from listeners if they've only like boxers on on not like us on the web but if boxers I would wear them. How would your wife feel Female listeners. Were not your would not care. We're not care. It doesn't have a lot of jealousy. She said she always like her line. Is like you can have him. I don't care okay. Just cut the check. So are you in an open is an open marriage. No opens openly. Doesn't like me. Okay all right. Let's talk about what we have. What ideas do we have in store? KIVA SO I. This is the end. The sweeps keeps right. This is the last November episode I mean maybe the next episode comes out four. It'd probably be December first when it comes out But sweeps was. It was a big hit. We put a ton of big ticket items on the wheel and now listeners are thinking about December up okay. So Jelly K.. Says what about if during December the crappy movie diaper which is very controversial crappy movie diaper transforms into the crappy movie. Santa hat filled with hallmark Christmas Christmas movies and the like And season three episode. Seven if you want could also become holiday themed episodes Now there was a big to do rob that hallmark for the first time ever was making to Hanukkah movies. Movies Okay Lever Yes. The reviews are out out and the two movies that they had themselves on the back for making are essentially Christmas movies that have very very little reference towards we tear one apart. I don't know if you want to cover a Hanukkah Movie Holiday Hanukkah movie I I would love to. I feel like that that would be very well. Received okay. Also on our H. A. P. Proper I am in discussion to cover a holiday film. which is the facts of life reunion? Which is starring the survivor contestant? Lisa a Welsh. Oh Wow I didn't know that was happening. Yes I believe that's coming Coming actually pretty soon. Okay is she she going to join you at least know now. Okay so we'll see we'll see if that comes together but yeah if you would. I don't know how we would work that into the is that like does it get eight spots on the wheel in December. Oh I like that. I wasn't even thing that the only problem is the first film holiday airs on the Fourteenth Falls Brook a woman who experiences a break up shortly before trip to introduce her boyfriend's family for Christmas instead goes home with Joel a Jewish actor who owes a boyfriend since he has never celebrated Christmas drive. uh-huh drama of course ensues. Now if you're a smart person rob you are smart person You're thinking if this is a Hanukkah movie shouldn't it be about a gentile going to a Jewish Jewish house and learning about all the Jewish traditions Not The one guy on earth who doesn't know Christmas traditions which I know I've never been Christmas. That makes no sense right It's insane like the plot should be completely the other way. Yeah she should be going home and learning about Hanukkah and teaching the audience. Not Not the one more on earth. What Christmas tradition that? You possibly could know Christmas traditions that I might not know about. I've never drink eggnog. But I know it exists shorts Gross Elf on shelf. Yeah everyone knows about on. Christmas is like half. The culture in America is just Richmond. What is stupid plot? I think maybe we should destroy that movie. This economic a movie doesn't air until the twenty second is called double holiday. Jewish women late this year. Labor Hannukah a late on this year. It's better Jewish woman named Rebecca Hannukah. Mika plans are disrupted when her boss asked her to team up with a rival to plan their office holiday party they learned that the traditions and celebrations are differ feelings in holiday. Whatever okay so you're up for that Yeah I think I'd be up for it. I guess we have. We can't do it. This coming week is the movies. Aren't out yet okay. That's fine sends a screener. I get ask. Yeah probably won't yeah. Okay so should we have a a Hanukkah movie drill. I I love it I love it. I love it all right so next week. We'll have a movie trail spots on the wheel for the Radel and then we have all the Hanukkah movies on one side of the drill. That's great well. There's four this four. We have four movies right I or two. Oh you can do to. Yeah maybe we could come up with me and I'm trying there's two other Hanukkah movies that are coming either Hannukah specials. Yeah let us know if you could think of another movie we can add besides these two Omar last the eight crazy nights is that is that a but I have no idea if that would make for a good podcast. That is a lot of John says right. Now it's too oh into okay. I'm up for that but it's not gonna be this okay. That could really like if we miss. We miss the but on the on the Hanukkah movie drill it should be three Hannukah movies and Eddie like there should be fine okay. I'm with you I. I mean Whoopi Goldberg. Absolutely absolutely she isn't she's Jewish. I assume she's Jewish. Unless you name over not Jewish. I think it's unclear convert Jewish Now her Her birth name is Karen. Johnson's that would that is not particularly Jewish. Yeah why why. Don't you switch your name to it. Colbert converted she might have converted I don't know Jewish name right. I mean he's not really a gentile name either. She's the first Whoopi. What's the back story on that? We know save it all for that at all the more reason to have on the podcast. Okay all right regarding her stage surname. All right her stage overweight now. Oh you WanNa do you WanNa wait for radio. TV like to be announced later. I think we need to use for the Eddie podcasts. Yeah well juice. We'll see if she isn't that we use on the podcast. Yes we'll find out why your name is what her name is Goldberg on the if it ever happens it has been people. Uh also maybe a guest for the Eddie podcast. I think might give it some hype. Maybe we need to think about ways to really get. It gets more hype for the Eddie. podcast Eddie Superfan out there earlier and we do a fan. Yeah should we do tournament of of people and they pitch why they should be on. Eddie no no okay all right. So we got the crappy movie Santa Hat crappy Minora Crappy Tradel good idea about okay. Okay Ah Kirsten says what about Robin Kiva Are Dumb Idiots which which you mentioned last yeah like when it's both co-hosts reveal something they don't know about an have been too afraid to to admit and then we get taught teach any listeners who are in the same boat. I guess somebody's coming on teaching US each about one thing we don't know What would your thing be lot of things? We don't know. Yeah I'd have to like really do a make a list I'm I'm sure for next week about things. You don't know that we could learn about novels. Okay is there so much list of things alright. Day To make a list of things you know. She's not really a list maker. She's not a list maker which let's say them and you could just you could physically make I mean honey. What don't I know about? Yeah she would say it was so many things like well what what is one of them and say well. I haven't Evan specific example. Yeah like okay. That's that's you know. She doesn't have a great recall. The with does that to something like give me one example. It's like well ten minutes ago. I could have thought of a half. You know thirty of them but now I now I don't remember any of them you don't remember I am the one who doesn't remember relationship again. I can't win them. Aspirin example. Yeah unfortunately I remember everything you know. Yeah unfortunate is your its blessing. INKERS ADAMS SAYS I've no idea for spinoff. The Cameo cast that will solve the issue of cost and not getting enough content for podcast and plus it also solves the audio video issue. Instead of using the cameo platform perform we round up people in their NAP universe to make short thirty to ninety second videos for you to be sorted and compiled together and you guys can react with this. We could even give you funny. We have if people prompts Or get him or even have a mini rose for the two of you. So what if listeners and an F. O. P.'s did the CAMEOS for us which would be rate or maybe we pay them like an hour's wait till the our listeners synthesis cameos yeah. They're sending us. They're not instead of buying them in no fiscally making the Cameos they audio cameos also solved the video aspect of the annual cast. So we're just getting like messages ages from people like. Yeah that's what the Cameo cast. Yeah but I got hit by a car. Claire just wanted to give you guys a shout out they You know Happy Birthday Akiva Rob Thanksgiving yeah and somebody's shoring. Yeah what's the point of the digital channel the much further. Well it's celebrities people that we don't normally hear front-row true true true true. Yeah Okay like Kiva Goldberg. Just wanted to say thank you for the world. Yeah I don't think she's an Ami over spin the holiday movie Radel for me. I I can see Elizabeth Hasselbeck being one cameo X.. View I bet Elizabeth Hasselbeck is. I bet there are people on there. there might be some current view people on there but I don't I think some of them are really not so famous anymore Yeah in how many how many view co hosts could right now Meghan McCain. I know is on there. 'cause she's he's always making some stir on twitter yeah and is is joy behar still there. She is The whoops there still on their Barbara Walters is she totally done special. Ed I bet the people are names. We never heard of. They're not they're not famous. Yeah and then. How many the talk hosts can you name any? I mean Julian moonves. Now she's got now she's out of the talk talk. Just she's been out long out tyler she on that For hold on. What's the current season? twenty-one anyone 'cause Yeah Sonny Sonny hosting now. That's not a real person Yeah yes she's a the legal correspondent and she's not the host and APP. Abby Huntsman is another okay abby huntsman is is okay door with like the he laid open door policy at the talk show up in began. Yeah it's a little bit like the net mail bag at the end of this person. Who Want to contest person for a costume right? Yeah I think Sara Gilbert and yeah that's what I was going to guess one of the Sharon Osbourne and I think there's still there Cheryl underwood looks like eve in. Carrie Ann Inaba. This is a lot of people Maria on there now to a lot of people have brand steel talk versus the view. I do it as a funny idea but I nobody cares about. Yeah and then there's the real also that's another one I don't talk the real versus the view. Yeah like all stars though now just cast so we could get you get hasselback. You'd get Barbara. Walters you get Rosillo Meredith Vieira Hasselbeck also back like now that she's sort of not famous again you think there's a possibility that can do survivor again. No possible if she needs the cash. It's not impossible. I don't think she needs the cash. Yeah probably not Roseman works on. ESPN right they. Both you know he has a nice salary. you've made a lot of money for a while. Yeah I duNNo. No one of them comes from money. thirty two fans as an idea from hooking William you set up a bracket of the third of the thrifty thirty two best TV and movie families it's entries conclude the Grizz walls the addams family the simpsons guest the munsters where the old monsters. I don't know the one on with John Short wrestler. Yeah Yeah I don't know. Does this have any juice for you know. But it's a funny name Thirties. Fans if justice wants to do it I'll do. Yeah Yeah I mean. There's not a lot of hype here for me okay quits. Robin Akiva joined a cult go on Or started call. There's two ideas of Jillian podcast where you discuss famous cults and Banter about whether you join the culprit end the episode you determine which you guys want to join or a podcast asked where you talk about the sociological definition of a cult and then build a cult of renfe you guys with the solid side that dogma rules the call rituals recruitment ideal profile of cult members numbers. And how you guys are going to make money. Collier's Robin Akiva started out or Robin Akiva. Join a I think it's a funny ish idea but then I think and it starts to be like well okay. This called like a murdered these people or people. I think the colts like on the surface. I think are funny but then I think at the more you do a deep dive into the cult's like the less funny cults. Yeah probably true. Yeah I mean our call would be different. The one that works. Yeah Scott from Detroit says what about the Mr Misra nap pageant. It worked for Mister and Miss Survivor. So why not here. Okay Mr and Mrs run-up so right now it's not a beauty pageant. We're not it's not. It wouldn't be like Who's attractive or unattractive what would be like what would be the difference between Nat added say like wheel? Minnesota has talent. Yeah we're going to have a talent show at one point. Yeah I'm not sure four. I do like the idea like what if we did this for live. Show WE CAST MR and Mrs Burnett at the next live show As you think Mr Mr NAP would be people who come to the live. I Shall I if you really a die. Hard Fan like you're coming with us to wherever we're going Syracuse New York or Seattle or CHICAGO DENVER. I don't know yeah. So maybe maybe like. Where are we talking to them? It's intriguing but yeah it would have to be like more fleshed out. Yeah we've got a workshop a little Scott from Detroit awesome. What about renee would scare is probably just now says but This could be a fun ensemble. Show Yeah No. I really liked this idea. So basically we we would. Have you know a bunch of people on a conference call and then we would have them. I'm not sure necessarily how we would do the logistics of the boxes but what we do is then just Record toward the record the call and then we would. Then you know the going by you know who's in who's in what square. And then we have XS XS and OS. I do like this idea yeah. I think it's good idea. I think it's the only only issue. Here's logistics. I think we have now remind me because I wasn't a big Hollywood squares guy. What are the questions being asked? So basically you have the the For Anybody who was not Hollywood squares person Hollywood squares. You know you have nine celebrities or famous. People that are in the squares of a tic tic TAC toe board three by three. Then there's a host and there's two people who are playing the game trying to get XS and os and so the questions are basically like okay. I like to keep aware you're going to like all right. I'M GONNA go with like all right. Here's a question for you. The the Oregon trail is said to be This many miles long. And he's like Sixty nine no but seriously That I believe it's two thousand nine hundred thirty two and and then you would have to agree or disagree and then you're if you're right then you get the square and if you're wrong the other person gets the square. But but they like they give like a joke and then they give their real answer and you say you're you yes I love I like this. And how many people do we need. We need seven seven. People were well we would need nine and a host the tenders twelve us on the call that would be right. Okay let's try it and if we can have F. O. P.'s. And and we could have listeners who could pitch themselves to be on happy with squares. Yeah and then they would have to then. I do think that the way that we would do this is then we Record everybody and they wouldn't necessarily need to be in the right spot in the call we could. I guess like back. Cut Up the video after the fact and then and then just put everywhere. They're supposed to be a little bit of a logistical. We need need a producer. Also yeah if someone wants to produce fine so I don't think we could put it on the wheel today but I think there's no reason why they should start to workshop okay. But it's a very good idea Okay one more. Sure a bizarre Robin Bizarro Akiva Anita podcast from Soka free this could be an extended mailbag wor listeners. Submit submit ideas the BIZARRO Keven Bar Put on their podcast wheel. Dr Rob is probably food-obsessed loves ideas involving tons of guests. Well Bad news because real rob just put it that deal a lot is well. Yeah yes Zara Robin. What do you think bizarre rob would be really into Bizarro? Rob Bob does podcasts. Of where really wants to you know Probably doing a lot like impeachment coverage okay did an earnest impeachment episode of this week coming out of nowhere nearly ernest really cover really breaking down all the angles on that maybe ranking thanking the Democratic contenders. Yeah although you know. After the past week and a half of survivor doesn't sound would have been less then then also. Well let Yankee Talk. I think okay all right. How One more from Dana Rob big twitter fights? I think yes Robin Akiva host. A live telephone says Robin Thicke. Jared raise money for and that could be the whole bit also coming up with the charity. Rejoice then the podcast would have you would field calls from ever wanted to call in and if you call in you're donating money to the charity. Hm also have cameos or other sort of you know many bits that don't go too long. I could also give awards a telephone convenient so I do like this idea. I think that would be a fun show. I think we have to pick the right charity. And if somebody if somebody came to us with like the right 'cause like like I feel like that we could definitely raise some money. Yeah Yeah I would consider that like I. I think that we could probably come up with funds stuff also so yeah. I think we do that. I think that one is realistic and happy with squares. I think we have to hear that are realistic. Plus the thing one definitely GonNa do which is the Hanukkah trail diaper thing but We we have to get closer to Anika to begin. Any voice mails. We always voicemails. I don't know if we got any that need to be played beyond you. Can I make a request to the listeners. Sure Stop Stop Calling in with the Boston Rob Voice recently. Well let's do a Wanted to see that. It's not good find do Jamie. T's the latest person do it but certainly not the only one okay. I see one that is listed as is Boston. Rob Okay. Here's Jay Jamie her sister I've got an idea for you to actual is called Old Robin Akiva. Smile up. Come on you didn't think I had a real idea digital but I do and it's called the impression tournament you may be one other person will your impressions against each other in tournament. Style door make no mistake about it. This is a good idea. Yeah I know how to win fans over in this will win every single fan over All right what do you think about Torah impression bracket. It's you do impressions and I don't so I'm not sure how Beijing from the listeners. If listeners wanted to work the like like all right this is Sean Connery. And then you're like okay. This this move on or does it's like I think an impression bracket would be fun. Yeah it was just the listeners. I'm one hundred percent in salt. Lake me versus you. Yeah I was thinking like it doesn't make all right we you could even like pre do them where we have Yeah they they call in and depression beforehand. So we don't need them all on the air. Then what would they. What would they do? Would they go head to go head to head and then like be like advancing. Yeah you'd you'd have to have like three different impressions similar to the heartache tournament ornament so if you advance I one person could have an amazing impression and I don't know if they need to have three great. Maybe maybe you're just doing more of it. We're hearing more of the same. Do another thirty seconds of Sean Connery in the second room. Yeah okay great so doing four different people. You're just keep going forward everyone's Ones Yeah like don't give us doing versus Taylor Swift or whatever right. You're here's my one one. Second that I sound exactly like J.. Lo Oh and then all of a sudden not nothing else so so so basically three rounds of thirty seconds and then you advance i. I love the impression tournament. Yeah all right put on the wheel. Yeah Good Good Boston. Rob Jamie t yeah impression tournament. Oh well I think that it should not go on the wheel. I think that we need to start getting a yes. You're right. You're right the impression. Yeah so so. It's the wheel waiting room. I'm going to have to. We'll say Kirsten mcgarry we've had two people really super helpful recently. And that's Jesse Stu. Every week I forward her every single pitch I like and she puts them in the Finnish getting being married. She's getting married in addition she's also GonNa come on the podcast. Maybe next week for wheeler no wheel. But she's done that and Chris. mcguiness has working on like five different podcast broadcast behind the scenes. She Wow we're we're about to launch the best friends finder where people can find their best friends and for two thousand twenty. They're going to be best friends with them. And we'll revisit that in twelve months questions were that got a couple of other ones that she she worked on but I think maybe I don't know if this is up rally fine if not. I need someone to really help me with the impression so yeah I think what we'll do is we'll have like a Google doc. And then they could send the I don't know can you send audio over. I'M GONNA have to figure it out. stay tuned to my twitter and and we'll We'll We'll tell you how to get your impressions. Yeah I really do like ideas that are sort of like about the end of the decade I. It's a a lot of people like here's me at the start of the decade. Here's me at the end of the decade. But you know. I think that that might be fun to do some sort of ended decades but wh what if we found stuff that was like from two thousand nine that was talking about the past decade like the like if we took a look at like best of the decade lists from the end of two thousand nine. Yeah well what about predictions for this for this decade also predictions about what the coming decade is going to be in. Two thousand has a nine predictions of what would happen. If people have that then I would love to see those but you know going back until like the start of this decade. I feel like that's in our wheelhouse. Yeah more so yeah. I keep pitching this the chester like. Let's do the best song the best movie. But he's so I don't know he's pretty rigid about it doesn't WanNa really do them. Why seems like a very thirty two fans that I don't know I said let's do the best? TV show is like well. How would you do it like whatever my favorite? TV Show Komo is GonNa vote for that. Yeah I mean in terms of the song of the decade. We've already established then in back the song of the decade. All right. I do like that stuff All right you want to hear another Boston rob idea we played it. No I have one here. That says it's actually from Boston. Rob The ideas come in as Boston. Rob No no confusing. I liked knowing who sent it and I mean it's usually John but okay the the Nino. This is Boston rob from survivor. Marcus I have an idea for the will my fear the Robin Akiva Small Robin Akiva. We'll go to a different podcast and learn podcasting lessons. It's from a podcast idol. Like Me Boston Rob. This is not the guy was. Why is this talk in the third person so much? I have no idea I do you think this guy should enter the impression tournament impression in guys smart in Boston rob from cases does not talk like that would have frank. Caliendo enters the impression. It's just going to smoke everybody right. Yeah Yeah Boston rob is like the Carl Malone impression for this guy okay all right so there you go okay Cuba and any other ideas. No I think we got enough for this week. I think we're ready to spin the wheel. Okay all right. So let's talk about our we'll where we are where we are right now as as we head into episode number sixty next week can you believe it. Yeah they said we'd never get the sixty they said. I mean we still might not over under. You're like in January. How many episodes that we're GONNA do? It was forty five and a half but you know what when we started with my head. I don't know but I'm pretty sure Eh. We can't imagine we missed more than three weeks over. The course really didn't I don't even think we missed three. Yeah so maybe the rest of the year. We'll get wiped act out somehow. Well won't cover but I think we WANNA take time off Well let's let's see as we towards the holiday I know. Oh you know you want to spend more time with your family. Yeah I usually you know. I'm in no rush to get to Christmas but this year there's been a little different look very much forward to last week at December. Okay Alright Akiva. Let's talk about what's on the wheel all season three episode. Seven is down two zero zero zero and I think we will probably nobody sent us a Eh a royal rumble or survivor series of the center city. Crews John John Ask. Hey do you need a royal rumble. No one survivor series. No I spoke looked him. I said I gave them the four characters from each show. Yeah and I haven't heard back so we don't have that UH survivor series yet by Monday. Though then I'm just put up the poll for sex in the city versus points were Okay all right Give it so Tuesday's podcast about Sunday night. Okay well you either made it or didn't ask them right. Okay all right. So we have a coin flip we wear the world is Carmen Sandiego with their ECKSTEIN. The crappy movie diaper two spots. Well We. We argued about the crab eating wanting money. But he vetoed where the zero this week. It's at one issue. Agreed with me what you don't think so we have. We had this already when I feel it goes down to one so we had this argument last time. If you remember yes and we flip flip the coin because we couldn't agree you WanNa flip the coin again one or two this exact. We had this exact date. It's Asia. We had this argument a few weeks ago. Yeah this is a great time to bring in this email from Daniel strong. Who wrote to me as a follow up to the a Below that that you would ask constitutional scholars to reach out to you. On a recent Ronchi to podcast. Casey decided to undertake undertake the task of codifying in our Constitution. I get claim to be a constitutional scholar but I spent over a decade studying. This sort of stuff and constitutional interpretation is an aspect that my current job I can provide more details on my background and experience in the field. If need be but I'm happy to volunteer in whatever role should prove helpful to be clear. I'd be happy to do stuff behind the scenes. This is an attempt to get on the podcast. I use genuinely love stuff related to constitutional interpretation. I've met at both you and Fischbach a few times if you need a reference. I'm not a whack a doodle so I mean we have people who are clamoring to co defy constitution the toossion. Yeah so I got an email this week from Curtis Morrison at Curtis M Marcin on twitter. Yes and he said that he without a sort of any permission went and he's working on it with a bunch of like F. O. P.'s. He's working on a constitution. Even sent me a thing. So maybe this guy should hook up with Curtis Okay and they and they can sort of do it together gather some so we a lot. We had a lot of lawyers right in and want to be lawyers right. Okay the working on the constitution. All right so then we need to put this is who's in charge of I think Curtis Curtis Okay so we need to put everybody in touch with Curtis. How are you on that? Yeah I'm on it. I'm everyone ruin our emails. You're talking about interest to me because people seriously what do you mean I'm i. I'm the one who reads the emails unison. Email your loosey Goosey that you just start just like a whatever I feel like that. That's what the constitution and that's what it should be. Why are we giving the power to the people when we've done such a great job show? We are benevolent dictators in this podcast. I'm like George Washington you never tell a lie limits we yes what we're getting rid of ourselves a term limits. Well look if I don't know I don't know this should be the constitution vision. Well I look. I don't want a watching Eddie every week. If we let we give the power to the people know okay this is how to prevent the not watching Eddie every week okay. This is prevent. Having Matt Bracket every week people the map bracket was going to get through under any in any era any sort of administration. People say that if we don't WanNa do something maybe this should be in the constitution. We don't want to watch Eddie. We have to commit to a punishment so like if we said instead of Eddie we. We're going to watch the first episode of Scum and talk about it next next week. We wouldn't have to watch it and we could kick. That's the way to kick a movie or a TV show constitution that so I feel like that once the constitution is written that Robin Akiva ratified the Constitution should be on the wheel and we go through it and we read all the rules and we say okay. This is We sign off on this I still think I agree agree but I still think it's a mailbag episode like I think it's instead of the mail bag because I think it's too too technical. Poll up on that should it should Robyn Kilpatrick by the constitution that we need a constitution just to have a poll for that because why you know better than the listeners. I know that that episode will be our least popular at least listen to episode because nobody cares about. We had Hanane great guests last week we started talking about the constitutional and you know Congress. He's snoring yeah who Hannah. I guess if it was like who do you want you want to Lean Kagan who on Supreme Court yes soda May or May mantha probably get more downloads With like Liana you Liana does more downloads than Keagan. WHO's listening to Kagan on a podcast? Every frigging at the Supreme Court justice. You're talking about Supreme Court cases. She's talking about the constitution. Who knows more about the freaking Supreme Court than Elena Kagan but it's that we're talking about the constitution not the shoot had us? I mean obviously should have listened to the first six episodes of nap like before him on. Yeah Yeah what do you think. I don't know we'll probably end up getting like what's the net nationals. Tickets guy at. We'd Probably Avenue he's enough. I don't know if we get cake. Oh boy yeah. We need a constitution. Find working on it it is coming. I'm not against people think I'm against that. I am not against your life. Support the constitution. Yeah I think you have little faith in the listeners. They want stay listeners. I just have more faith in in you and Mitt all right. Here's what else is coming up. So all right Matt Rushmore People's Choice. Third Wheel game night. King of the Matt's Wheeler No Wheel Robin Akiva versus a sixth grader. A and sleep over. PODCAST YUP okay. All all right do you know what's been on the longest. I was looking at a picture of Jim. Crumley wheel that he made in July so four months. What there's only one show in? Its current iteration. That was on the wheel. Four months ago. Mount Rushmore. Yeah good call. The Eric Stein show was different. Show then but it was also on the wheel. That's been on for a long time. All right. So let's open up the wheel episode number sixty. Are we cleaning out the wheel waiting room next week or anything to that. Yes and also about this. The mailbag next week. Yeah went through some of the five six hundred rejected ideas and I'm going to bring something back for the mailbag next week and we'll see if maybe we want to have a second look at a few mailbag nick. No vetoes are in Plano. We sort of have a veto. What's veto we have? We have the best. We have the friends veto. Where if we each do our half veto veto boys that Canon? Yeah that is can we have. We talked about it the whole year. That's cannon cry all right so you have to turn key and I have to Turkey. Are they'll be real controversial okay. There obey especially if it's Eddie for third okay. All right and I'm ready for Eddie. And I WANNA know why Whoopi Whoopi. Okay all right here we go in the opposite number sixty legally. Yep Big six zero. What's coming up next week? ooh is going to be December to remember up. It might be because it is. The People's choice is so close it is like a millimeter. Not even like. It is a hair between mount. Rushmore and people's choice is the people's choice so now we're going to now spin the wheel three more times are real tur- duck in of wheel laois. This is coming up this week. Can I says I'm GonNa Rub the last time we did this. There's only come up once in sixty episodes yes the royal rumble very the overshadow royal rumble. The royal rumble was the only the only one that was a lock. It was going to destroy everything. I think. One like. Sixty five to fifteen or whatever What do you what is what is the one that ever face? You think the sleepover podcast is an automatic winner here. Yeah okay all right at three chances to come up all right here we go all right entry. The number one that wheel on people's choice is game night interesting interesting very thing okay. All right could be tricky to nail down logistically game night this week. All right here is toys number. Two on the wheel of it's being in the mantles choice. Third Wheel Competition addition third wheel Glenn Robinson. Is that ready to go. Yeah it just needs to be on a weekend we have available okay all right so we have our third wheel tournament also in the mix and so one other game night third wheel tournament and one other third choice is going to be out there for people to vote on signing biles is exciting. Okay that is going to be now. Rushmore okay so more pretty even pretty even hear any of these could win. Yeah okay don't don't make a prediction of what you think it's going to be you. Do you think that idea. Yeah do you feel strongly. No you don't know I really don't I think I if I put a gun to my head. I pick one but I I have no idea. Okay can you just reset the game. Night is going to be you and I are going to take on a pair of podcast hosts right Yes we didn't pick them just specifically for reasons like this that we might be you know finding them on short notice. I have a host in mind but it hasn't been announced yet host in mind and then we have a number of the. Can you tells Elsa some of the Games that might be a game wheel or game dreidel. I think there is some sort of game wheel but two of the Games we've discussed. Are these celebrity Networth game over Napoli. We're GONNA get the celebrity network. Yeah the John John One MUSCO where John John Explore things and we have two guests which when he thinks must go. Yeah which means what what's explained must go to them so that there would be for things like you know Wendy's McDonald's Burger King and Jollibee and a one one MUSCO. Which one can you not lower guessing thing what John John doesn't lie we're guessing what Superfan Joey he say has to go? Okay yes Rodney. Given the the third wheels pretty explanatory. We're GONNA people all in and they're gonNA pitch to us whether or not we don't know if it's GonNa here on Long Island not think so. Yeah okay I mean if you want them to pre-tape it we could have them pre-tape it. I I guess we we we need to interact with. They're all on like a skype call. And then we did what we did with with Not Printing the listeners. What was the other one? Yeah I think Or we took phone calls. What was the one we took phone calls that? What was that episode? I don't know what it was called. It was people call US I. I don't remember what the name people people call us they. I don't remember what it was called. Okay I don't know I don't know either. I'm not making fun I really like. I'm blanking on what it was on what it was called. Yeah that we open the phone lines and we took and we took phone calls and let me say that if if we went back and looked at our that the great Alex Rabin makes the posts for these episodes and it was. Let's pranking ranking the listeners. It wasn't I can't believe banter. Yeah wasn't Arabica smarter than request. Live total idea request. Live okay episode. Thirty already to April Twenty Twenty nineteen. Okay Yeah Okay there you go all right. So that's what the listeners will vote on all right it'll be a close vote and then Mount Rushmore is going to be that we come up with the. What's the Mount Rushmore of a bunch of different things? Yes we'll have people say we already have a lot of people sending more my mountain. Okay all right AKIVA YOU WANNA check the I tunes reviews. Oh Oh you don't know the last one was mean. Oh how mean it was two stars to stars and what did it say instead. It's it's boring. They're bored by US. They were listen to go to sleep. Oh was it Taylor Qatar. Now she's Nice for that. Yeah wow somebody went and wait until Lever Review. The podcast was too boring. Yeah voiced listen. There's too yeah. Yeah the word that best describe this. PODCAST is mediocre. Oh come on. Original ideas listened to it when I need sleeping because it's so boring. Yeah these are originals. PODCAST named the baby. Yes like the last thing you could get mad at us for what ideas of it. That was hurtful. Yeah yeah the bastard yes all right. Let's balance it out with somebody. From November third delays episode of this superb. PODCAST was great. You can hear all participating. We're having a blast. Listeners can join in and have fun. Mike Blooms rendition. uh-huh Grace Kelly had me in stitches. Well done to all. Yeah I like I like my listeners. Go to sleep. Yeah I like to listen. Who called us the only anti my niece nephew podcast on the Internet? That's right all right. Kiva a great job. You could follow at Keith twenty-six on twitter her. What's going on in thirty two fans podcasts? Football every week we try to squeeze in some Patriot episodes. I'm trying to get chester. Do like a song of the decade. The best movie do nonsense. He wants to do more mascot back on the Patriot bracket yeah he still. He said we still haven't done the NFL mascot bracket who cares that say to him most people don't even have a mask of mass. I mean the Patriots on for thirty fans should be alright chester's gives you know throw all the spreadsheets into his personal life. I've for sure I agree. That's the Patriots th that nobody cares about mascot bracket I agree. I agree one person if I say at the Chester. He doesn't care if one person asked for something like the listeners are asking for this okay. He's like you except you need to people who tell you he just needs one and then he thinks that's that has more weight than anything I say. But what I know about podcasts. Yeah all right well great stuff off. Did you Thanksgiving Akiva. Yeah I do Thanksgiving we. We got the crew that we it's more of a friendsgiving. I guess I have a family but we go to our friends ends and we watched the Lions lose and no we have a good time. Yeah I am a big Thanksgiving guy. I don't I don't love Turkey but I like everything about thanksgiving. Besides Turkey football. I love football I love nothing. Yeah I like I like all the Thanksgiving foods but I just I wish there was. I wish it was like dark meat. Chicken instead of down big Pie holiday your vic. Hi Guy Big Pie guys so all about the you know. I don't know squash whatever. Whatever else is there yeah? What's your favorite Thanksgiving food? I mean I do like the Pumpkin Pie. I like cranberry sauce not Jelly. I like the cranberry sauce guide to. That's that's good. Dial sweet potatoes the Turkey more now. It's sort sort of like you know it's it's fine the trip the fans real thing and I like I want to watch three games that day. I don't want to all sleep during lions. Yeah and you know all the desert is nice so look forward to it should be fun. all right Kiva Rachel. We'll be back next. We keep an eye on twitter to find out what the people have selected for the number sixty of Romney. Cuban you to podcasts. Take care good bye

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"The one thousand nine hundred seventy suicide maybe paying this but watching this entire movie a different story the film. Hey everybody welcome to unschooled. Nicholson I am Paul. And this is the podcast where each week we watched one film from. Afi's top one hundred grades of all time list to see if they really are as good as people say do they hold up and how the influence the films that we watch. Now today we're talking about Mash. Don't let the opening full year. That was kind of just a quick joke about mash. But we'RE GONNA get into it in much fuller detail in just a little bit but we're GonNa go backwards now and hear what you guys thought about parasites we have a bunch of comments to get to also a reminder to you out there that we were going to be doing our next live show at the Alamo draft house in Los Angeles that is on March twenty third you can go to Alamo dot com to get tickets. It's always a fun competition amy. What are they going to be talking about that night? At the Alamo. We're going to be talking about. In honor of the Vernal Equinox ended honor the fact that the Alamo draft house is doing a special programming inspired by the overlooked film festival festival that we went to last year. I live show going to combine the two and talk about vernal equinox horror or maybe pagan horror. We're going to talk about midsummer and we're going to talk about wicker man. I love it. Also by the way the second season of my podcast miniseries. Zoom is out this week. As of today we're going to be doing over the next couple months is we're going to be talking about. Zoom Twenty twenty our effort to stop and slow down and look at the directors at this moment who I think are making film history. This is something we've been talking about on the show. This idea that we are now in a moment to me. That feels a lot like the sixties a lot like the seventies we're we're rebelling against big boring studio stuff with really fascinating new independent voices so we are kicking off the new season of zoom that opens now by talking about the film. Emma which is done by this fantastic music video director name is autumn to wild. And we're going into the history of Jane Austen herself as a really radical storytelling voice. Because I learned so much stuff in this episode that I did not know about how Jane austen used books like Emma to Berry in messages about politics about slavery about economic inequality that she lays under that readers at the time might have noticed that we didn't know because she couldn't say them out loud because England was a pretty repressive at the time. About what you could or could not say in terms of political content so it's a really fascinating episode of Zoom and. Check it out if you WANNA hear all about how Jane Austen used her romance novels to get across really cool political ideas and stick with us for the next four episodes also just a reminder that we have shirts stickers cell phone cases laptop cases hoodies baby ones or whatever you want go to public dot com stores. Sasha unspoiled to see our new godfather's shirt are AF I as a F. R. E. Sure we have some really good shirts here. I think we need to see people out in some unspoiled merch and you can also head over to pod site. Get a beautiful poster that you can follow along with us as we countdown. All of the films here Do on the show with a poster by Scott Campbell podge WAG DOT COM amy. Let's get into it but before we do. I know we want to talk about parasite and repo man. I wanted to show you something that happened this week on Saturday night. Live a couple of weeks ago we talked about sound of music and we talked about the interesting relationship of Ralph and Liezl. And there's a person out there whose equally obsessed with musicals and that's John Mullane he was on. Snl This Week and they did a Ralph and Liezl sketch on the show. And I wanted to play a little bit of that here. I think you will. I think you'll enjoy back. This is Turner Classic Movies up next. It's finger on the roof for wasps. The sound of music you waving liezl. I was beginning to think you wouldn't come. Sorry I'm late. The captain made me sing in a nightgown in front of all his friends. The captain's Your Dad Right. Yes and I'm worried about him. Papa says I'm too young to be in love but I think I love you sixteen going on seventeen. I know that I my fellows I meet may tell me. I'm sweet and willingly You are seventeen going on eighteen. Actually I'm thirty three. I know I look young and I said I'm young but I lied thirty three whole sketch online. It's pretty it's pretty great In the news that the president was upset about parasite. Yes I mean again. We can't stay out of the news. Unspoiled always hitting the hot topics. I think we the dairy release. The episode trump came out and said this by the way. How bad with the Academy Awards this year and the winner is movie from South Korea? What the hell was that all of it? We got enough problems with South Korea with trade on top of it. They give him the best movie of the year. Was that good. I don't know I'm looking for like wait. Wait let's get gone with the wind. Can we get gone with the wind back sunset boulevard so many great movies so obviously not a fan of our episode or maybe a fan of our episode but not a fan of the film? I guess not. I did not believe that. He had sat through gone with the wind or sunset boulevard but apparently somebody found an old profile where he where he has watched boulevard. At least all right all right released. It's been on. It's been on. I think he got the wrong message from it. But yes amy. A lot of people had a lot of negative feedback for year. Mac AND CHEESE STAND ON STANDBY ALEX HERNANDEZ AT SALE. Gendreau says would you be open to Ashiq new? La Spot where waiters would offer you amazing Mac and cheese entrees but it was on the voice of Justin. Chang would you take it though? Jiang voices the most sellable point to me. I think he has one of the greatest voices in the business. But I if it was just didn't Chang being like would you like Mac and cheese with filet Mignon brisket? I would still say no because I think expensive Mac and cheese is an absolute scam inflicted on the populace and we should all say. No too expensive Someone who last night made four boxes of Annie's as MAC and cheese for my kids for this week. I have to agree with you. It was pretty delicious last night. Probably cost two dollars. I don't honestly like this. New Lake catch pep thing. I mean that's just Mac and cheese right. No Amy is like no. It's NO PEPO. I don't WanNa get into this. Was the difference spice in a major way. Okay look I'm not arguing with you first of all if you're just having an issue with buying pasta in a restaurant that's a whole other thing. Gotcha DEBO is amazing. Especially when dun-rite Javanese I look to you L. Aqua in Atwater I look to you a really good. It's really good done. Well I don't WanNa get into it any more than that I object. I'll have a steak all right but I guess that makes me more like the president and so do so. What else do we got here? Well John Carver you know He. He added a lot of information to the scene that we were talking about in pep in parasite about the family drinking beer even more about Korean beer than I do. Which I find very impressive given that I live in Cape Town John. Cover says you know the first beer. They drink is finite which as he says is so shitty that it's not technically beer so devoid tax and it is about half the price of the next cheapest beer meaning says John. I drink it all the time which I respect eight says yes then you watch them jump up to Sapporo. Which is most people would drink when they say? They're not super budgeting before the Japanese boycott and now that now sapporo super expensive while it's so interesting you know. I got a lot of flack on the parasite episode. Because I said you know I didn't feel like the the family. The Kim family was that bad I hadn't felt they were evil intentioned and you know it's not a point that I can really stand behind. I can't say that you know them trying to poison. Someone is a gentle task. I just felt like and what does having trouble expressing but I I did it on. My little text APP thing was that I was saying at a certain point. You can be so poor that it's almost impossible to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and this family. There want wasn't to torture people there want wasn't to hurt. It was simply to get an opportunity at that point and where they are and their lives and career and education. There was no other way in and so when they took this opportunity they really embraced it. I'm not saying they did everything that was right. But that's kind of how I viewed them like. They'RE NOT VILLAINS THEY JUST. There's no other way they. They were trying to do the right thing for so long when they have one opportunity. The exploited it in an major way and eight pieces. It tasted like pesticide. Yeah I mean can't be good for you. Try they try. They're trying a through line. That connects are you feel with somebody? Like Harrison mckinney. I feel that their total sociopaths. They nearly kill a woman with peach fuzz all. She was her job. And I think what connects these two things? I think what makes Harrison correct correct? Is that the film is. You're saying that poor people have to fight each other and not the real target you know. Jay Can't there's not room for everyone we can to the threat the movie all right so there you go. Thank you Harrison Amy last week we threw down a gauntlet for audience to give me a mash nickname and we let the phone lines open. And let's hear what my mash nickname is mash. Obviously a bunch of great nicknames Hawkeye Hot Lips radar. So let's see what you have in store for me. I'm excited about this evening. For Paul is swollen sheer. Because he's just a gym rat now I think Paul's mash name would be spitting on. I think Paul's Mash McMahon should be hemmer since the film deals with the psychological impact of combat on the soldiers I would go with sheer mandates. My Mash nickname for Paul would be Mama's boy for obvious reasons. 'cause he tried to Mac on his mom's anyway saying spy. I like these amy. I like it. I like a sheer madness swollen hamlet. I don't totally get but I'm into it Lino. It connects hamlet to Mama's boys that they're both men with relationships there. Oh my gosh. Six years old. He knew it telling people come to me and said I've done the same thing and I'm going to ask you this if you didn't why not. Because what was wrong with you anyway amy. We have so much to get in. Today's big episode with an amazing guest. Tom Skerritt we love Tom. Skerritt is a guest today on the pod and I can't wait to hear from him. I can't wait to hear about your thoughts on this. Pretty much breakthrough altman films. So let's let it be let it be. The year is nineteen seventy the Vietnam war rages on Nixon orders a campaign against the Viet Cong Cambodia. Students can state protesting the Cambodian invasion are shot by the National Guard killing four and wounding nine. The US lowers the voting age to eighteen years from twenty one. The Beatles released their final album. Let it be Janice Joplin dies of an overdose? Just sixteen days after. Jimmy Hendricks both were twenty seven years. Old Audiences are watching patent woodstock. Hello Dolly in today's film Mash. It comes in at fifty four on the. Afi's top one hundred list. Having moved up a bit since it's fifty six position on the list in nineteen ninety seven. Let's do the ten Colonel Blake is secured for us the halls of Montezuma so big only in the biggest of the screen can bring it to your health technicolor to tell it to the marines those lovable lugs with wonderful Mug so we now love more than ever tell them. There's still the greatest guys in the world. Follow the tenant. Punchy Miami baby-faced dove the poet. Pretty boy it's flat aretha with some of the most interesting or films yet to create it Do Possible Camping Fiction Harley. Hollywood brill is now off limits. Benadryl amy who's in it. What's it out? Mash Mash stands where Mobile Army Surgical Unit and. It is about a group of army surgeons who are stationed in Korea during the Korean War. It is a period piece when this film comes out in nineteen seventy but also not. Because it's trying to make everybody think about Vietnam where you have. Your is our major big pop culture introduction to Robert Altman. Who'd been making a couple of films and here he just finally lets it rip. He's like you want people. Overlapping as we're talking about surgery you on all sorts of nonsense happening we get all of that his characters that we have here are Donald Sutherland. Elliott Gold Tom skerritt. Who's special guest today? And Sally Kellerman as Major Margaret Hot Lips Houlihan and basically these people. Commingle argue bicker Strip people naked. Make Fun of them. Drink a lot. Try to have a lot of sex hit on people mercilessly and sometimes take your patients. Amy Think it's really hard to talk about Mash watching it now for the first time and not thinking of the TV show because the TV show is so a part of my television knowledge. My growing up at feels a part of me yet. Never seen this movie but I know all these characters or versions of them. They're not exactly the same and I wanted to talk to you a little bit about that like where you know a show kind of becomes bigger. Then what this movie does. And this makes it. This iconic thing I mean mash is icon and I would argue that maybe twenty. Five percent of this movie and seventy five percent of it is the television show that everyone in the World Watch. So many people watched the finale of Mash that in New York City. I believe they had a problem with the sewage. Because everyone wants to the bathroom at the same time during the commercial break that Alan alda said that in New York City everyone race to the bathroom because it was like one of the most watched finales of all time. That's wild. Yeah but I mean you can't. That's a cultural impact. I mean also a sanitation impact but I mean but like wrestling with that a little bit because it is so big but I wonder it's a weird example of like the like the son of Mash in a way became bigger than the original mash. Right I mean. Are you wondering part of why this film is on? The list is because people just love mash the TV show so much and they're like well we gotTa Have Mash. Because without Masher wouldn't have mash can't live in a world without Mash admit in. I don't I hope this isn't that awful like Mash. That theme Song We. Let's play a little bit out to set the mood on you the visions. Thanks to the pain for me. I agree allies. Bats is Spain brings on changes. And I I mean that theon suicide is painless which is I think. The dopey deliberately dopey a song ever written. I never got that. I thought that was a serious song. I mean like I know now that this is like that like Robert. Altman had his son. Who's fourteen years old right that song because he wanted the dumbest lyrics of all time and he said he was too smart to right so he had a son do it in his son has made like millions of dollars in royalties movie with the theme song which became the theme song for the TV. Show than his. Dad Did making this movie because he wrote that. Dopey sa two million dollars in royalties two million for that song. I mean I have to say I don't know if you have this kind of a block from a kid but I would hear that song come on and it was like being told this is not for you it subliminal messages like leave the room. Go play cartoons. Do not care about whatever's happening so I have never seen an episode mash. Okay well let me just chime in here and say I have no affinity smash the TV show at all. I felt the same exact way I was like. Oh not different strokes. I'm Outta here but yeah that that theme song because it sounded serious in a world that I grew up in a half hour world. Where was it takes different strokes to the world or like Charles in charge like I'm like all of a sudden I hear this melancholy thing about suicide. I don't even I understand with suicide is but I always viewed that as being like a matches a serious show and then when I look at this and it's not like but my child brain is just said that that is a serious song. Because I I I've probably seen episodes of Mash under duress. It was not a show I wanted to see but like my grandma watch mash and I was like okay. You know five for me one for you you know every now and then mash battle issues. I feel like as we're starting to talk about match. I have to deconstruct all of this madness in my head. None of which is really accurate yet. Mashes a boring show about Vietnam. Because that's what I thought it was when I was a kid. It's war it's Brown and Vietnam. We'll by the way I mean. Let's talk about that too. Like Robert Altman was trying to make it about Vietnam. We're in the middle of the Vietnam War and he is very clever to omit many references here so much. So that the studios like you gotTa make this about Korea not Vietnam and so they put these like two little title cards up in the beginning to be correa but but I think for most people they saw this as you know as basically a story about soldiers in Vietnam I think very clever in what he was doing a probably in one thousand nine hundred ninety s his mind blown. Because you're seeing something that's happening it's of the now kind of going back to Grapes of Wrath like we're capturing something in the moment even though he wasn't really allowed to I want to understand mash and why mashes on this because I don't I don't either and I'm Robert Altman Fan. Yeah Nashville I love. Natalie really stuck up for Nashville any of this. Do I mean even Prairie Home Companion? Which is a movie that has flaws? There's something always remain the same thing when I hit garrison keillor's voice. Oh no you're not here. You don't need to hear this. It's just like white noise. It's like child repellent. I was brought to garrison Keeler shows when I was a kid. So that's like a part of like almost a part of Christmas to me because he would come to New York City town hall and do Prairie Home Companion and I would go and see it and it would always put me to sleep but it felt familiar. It was like going to. You know your sleep. The GRANDPA's house. You know it's sort of like I'll fall asleep on the couch but we went and we had a nice. How funny is it that this is Robert Altman? Who made such an innovative film with Nashville? And yet we're associating him with all of this GRANDPA FALLING ASLEEP. Your parents stuff. Well I mean we're associating I'm Associated Garrison Keeler at that I don't WanNA put words in my mouth blithering elected it. Yeah well but I think the premise I mean. This is a whole different conversation. But the premise of prairie home companion is really fastening. It's a national public radio and the inner workings of it and it was kind of. I thought it was a fun way to capture that. I I would argue. That film is way more exciting than an actual episode of Prairie Home. Companion at that. I've seen multiple times live. I mean more times account I I should apologize to the spirit of my parents in that. We've been my entire childhood with premium companion on so. I think it's just like this. Need your guess. I hear that invoice to think of my dad's really bad homemade pizza like it. Just is all tangled together. I love it but I mean there is something about mash as a child praying companion as a child that feels like this is the adult entertainment but this movie mash. The movie is not like I mean. Or let me put myself as somebody in the nineteen seventies seeing this movie. This is counter culture. This is cool and you know we were talking about how this comes out during the Vietnam War. One of the big digs that. He got from the studio in the beginning when they started the daily is. We're like your soldiers are way too messy and dirty. And he's a that's how soldiers look and going back to Grapes of Wrath like your hoover Villes look too extreme like he's capturing something that is real and I think this lays the groundwork for a lot of Vietnam pictures that follow it you know I think but the sum total of its parts and not to kind of reveal my hand before we get into it. I don't think necessarily add up. I mean think Robert Altman's always a collage of things and everyone equips themselves really well. I Love Elliott Gould. I loved Donald Sutherland. I love Tom skerritt. Like I mean everyone in this movie. I mean it's an insane casting bud courts and here you have so many of all right. I forgot about him so many people got their start in this film. It's beautifully cast film. There is something fun about it you just. I'm always waiting for it to pick up and go. When are they going to really get invested in it like it has a key element of what stripes felt like to me but it doesn't have that humor of striped even though people it's funny it's a funny is it? I mean I've seen movies of this time and I'm able to laugh at it. I just I don't know into a violent. It's so bloody is it? I don't know what this movie is and I think it all stems from the song again. That's supposed to be like idiotic. I don't I didn't even get that. Am I dumb for not getting that? That song as idiotic. You know what I think about doing this episode now is this is a story about to palm to or winners fifty years apart. We had parasite Jessica weeks ago coming in winning this winning that bomb being this film in it's hard for me to put my head in the space of Mash coming in winning the same award it can and having that same lake energy to that same. Like whoa what is this film. It's crazy and I really wish I do understand that. I try to imagine being in that theater at the Palais and seeing this film. That you know is about the knows about news in fact. I even found this like Newsreel of people at Ken talking about seeing it for the first time. The sound on the French Riviera provide a puffy settings for the international film festival at Cannes. As usual the jury had to decide the merits of films from many countries among the prize winners of Great Britain Italy Hungary America and France Stars and celebrities arrived for the awards. The Grand Prize went to the American entered. Fox Film. Mash press photographers concentrated on two of the stars of the film. Santa Ken and Joanne Fluke. They joined by the film's director. Robert Altman when they went on stage to receive the award match stands for Mobile Army Surgical Hospital and though the films that during the Korean War it's been hailed as a combat. It must be look at off the screen as well. So let's take another look at the beach and then the new Israel cuts do bunch of girls in bikinis and I was thinking. Oh that's it because when I hear that newsreel. It sounds like it's from an even further time ago. Yeah and I imagine like you live in this posh pedigree classic Hollywood sounding time even in your newsreels even from the most exciting film festival in the world. Then you sit down at the theater in You. Hear your very first taste of just altman's overlapping dialogue. You hear this Friday. Thank ship out of the night at home. Say Them. What was that sir. Everything right art what I agree with you. Like that is impressive and we are talking about. You're putting in context so Nashville comes out five years later and I think it's a perfection of the craft. I think there's other movies in between if it's McCabe and Mrs Miller Brewster mccloud or California. Split like he's doing things like so we are watching the first one and I know that you've had opinions about rewarding the first film out of the gate like you know we talked about Jordan Peele. I WanNa see what he does. I don't know if if get out should go on the list Jordan Nashville right and I hear that too and I think maybe the deficit of this movie or what. I'm feeling like incomplete with is like oh I seen him up this and I like that. This is a bold statement and it comes out and probably nothing can capture that feeling of being in the theater at that time. Seeing this movie and connection that people from the seventies have to this movie because it feels like it is my gosh. This guy is a soothsayer you know. He's out there he's he's talking about with. No one else is talking about so I see all that I think for that reason also like do we need to do. We need to represent the beginning of it as well as you know maybe one of the highlights one of the islets. Because I don't even know if it's natural his best film I don't know maybe yeah and you know what's so funny is it. This is not really the film I think would have picked to introduce himself to the world he was. I believe the studios fifteenth choice to me. It's crazy I mean the list of people that looked at this movie and you can kind of see some of them you know it's like Stanley Kubrick past and interesting. Because then he goes on to make his Vietnam film later on Mike Nichols passes and I think he makes his Vietnam movie in a way with the graduate. Like you know or I guess at this point was Grad already out. I've been made. They was but he's trying to. Yeah that's kind of like I can see that youthful counterculture of them being like we want you. Yes is this was based on a book by a by a guy named Richard Hooker which I tried to read for the show and a lot of books by the way a lot. There's more than the one I read. Huck Oh my God there I mean first of all I wanNA hear about but it's Mash Mash goes to Maine. Mash goes to New Orleans. Mash goes to Paris. Mash goes to London. Nash goes to Morocco. Mash goes to LAS VEGAS MASH GOES TO MASH goes to San Francisco. Mash goes to Miami Mash goes to Hollywood mash goes to Texas. Mash goes to Moscow. Mash goes to Montreal and Mash Mania. The original book was written in Publishing Sixty eight. The last one was published in nineteen seventy seven. That many books yes nine years. Yes is Richard Hooker. And it's all based on this book called match a story of three doctors and this is you know he wrote a whole series. It was like spread around for like a decade and they went to Vegas. I mean look. I think they just had these little adventures. I mean clearly. They had an adventure in this movie when they go to where they go to Japan wars and all the place I mean. There's there's a war in Hollywood and it came in to do surgery. If you drink nose job I kind of feel like what? What kind of showing is this idea of the brother? I'm guessing you read the book this Brotherhood of people who serve together to get together and you were following their lives. I don't know I mean they're definitely a real traveling band going to Montreal Nashville. They feel that they're actually having great trips dudes weekend and then I appreciate that. They made it to Montreal. They mentioned Montreal. I know what was the book that you tried to make it through. It was it was the very first. Is it similar to this? Yeah very much very much and I think that was why they were panicking about how they're going to make this book into a movie because it was super episodic it was just like this happens. Then this happens then. This is like flipping through a mad magazine this movie. And that's what this movie is. And that's what they had to kind of capture and so I do appreciate the fact that they approached it in a really modernist way by having this altman style because I can imagine I can absolutely imagine like why go after Kubrick and picturing like the Kubrick Dr Strangelove version of mashed. I think there would be there like that's the same sense of humor. We could make this work right but did you just make it stranger and sloppier and crazier by hiring ullman. I mean in many ways. It's a better. Tv show is a better Sitcom. Because it can be episodic I think what this movie with. His movies struggles to me is in a narrative thrust. It just doesn't really it doesn't keep you engaged and Wa wa. The little moments are fun and the performances are fun and the dialogue feels realize it just kind of feels like you are flipping through book which I think works so much better and television. The book makes a bigger deal about the fact. That radar has ESP. Oh really yeah. 'cause he can kind of predict everything that that Hendry bike is telling him before he says it and yet like mash is just this gigantic commercial. Hit when it comes out I mean I think it's even no one wanted to release this movie. I mean people the Fox executives were against this. I mean they are the same. I mean this is the same dude. This is Richard Zanuck from sound of music a couple of years later. This is what he's doing and he's like. Oh God what have I done? You know. It's funny you say that because this is also one of the first films to be released on. Vhs We talked about how San of music was a huge hit on vhs. So a sound of music pattern and mash. These are the three big hits and I also have to assume that part of that popularity that that being in someone's home make us movie automatically on the list. I mean it just sort of like no. This is what we associate as a quality film. I mean that would make sense and I think it's so funny to hear about how much altman didn't WanNa do it. Like his his He thought that the book was just a series of what he called dirty jokes that appeal to the lowest common denominator and he very much looked down and one of the things that his wife had on her desk from. This time period was the note where she that she found that was himself. Talking himself into making Mash Cheddar. Man Just wrote on a piece of paper fuck it. I'll do it and she saved that forever. Who loved that? Hey everybody let me tell you about a brand new movie from Sony Pictures Classics. It's called the burnt orange. Heresy It's a thriller Noir starring Elizabeth DeBakey Claes Bang Donald Sutherland and Mick Jagger. It's based on this novel by Charles. Wilford the burnt orange. Heresy tells a story of an elaborate art. Scam gone terribly wrong. Here's the deal okay. Charming and ambitious art critic. James Vigorous has fallen from grace. He spent his days Milan lecturing. Witless tourists about art history. His only glimmer of hope is a new found. Love interest in ag- Matic American. Bernice Hollis no opportunity strikes when he's contacted by a wealthy art dealer. Joseph Cassidy Aka Mick Jagger who summons James to his villa on Lake Cuomo and ask them to steal a painting from the legendary reclusive artists. James Denby Soon. James is greed and ambition. Gets the better of him and now he finds himself caught in a web of his own making the Hollywood reporter calls the burnt orange. Heresy a spiky romance laced with art history references and the trappings of a sleekly elegant neo noir the burnt orange heresy opens in New York and Los Angeles Friday and is coming soon to a theater near you. The burnt orange heresy is now playing in New York and Los Angeles and coming soon to a theater near you. I appreciate the allman himself. You know we talked about this. I think in the Nashville in Minnesota. That he was a midwestern kid. He's from Missouri and that he was in the army that he entered the army in nineteen forty three. I think when he was eighteen years old he was a b twenty four bomber. It feels like mash existed. This kind of limited space. That's like I'm a little bit of Animal House. I'm a little bit of porky's revenge of the NERDS. I am the thing that is going to be at all of these like I am the Grand Ghia of all of this comedy that would then dominate the late seventies and eighties. And I think that is what is hard to parse because what we have seen now is everybody maybe taking a page from mashes book and elevating it. Like I think maybe Kim coming in and going. I don't want to do this. And then overlapping the dialogue and pushing things and and you know having violence and sex and and these characters that are they're kind of unlikable to a certain degree but making the dialogue really improvised script and throwing it out all these things start to lay a groundwork for the future of comedy especially seventies comedy. I think you can see mash existing time between the Marx brothers. These people who come in respect no authority create their own rules their own laws up. End The way that anywhere supposed to work from you. Know a governmental office to to a cruise ship to a military hospital in in Korea. And then it goes on and it links the Marx brothers I think. Two things like revenge of the nerds. I I would say that you kind of are hitting it on the head which is like the Marx Brothers to National Lampoon especially poon is blue sheets Chevy Chase. It's this you know this Energy Herald Ramos and all these all these kind of seventies rebels whatever. Snl was you know when it first comes out in nineteen seventy five th. There's a counterculture in comedy. There of people saying we don't give a fuck. It's messy it's dirty. I'M GONNA play Richard Nixon. I'm not gonNA look anything like him. I like this this idea of getting out of the suited comedy which was kind of the Nichols and may comedy and getting more into the tier boom yet. But there's a there's a a more grungy sense of and I think. Snl Is is the perfect encapsulation of that. Like this. Fuck you to everything else. The not ready for primetime players and I believe that this movie probably influences all of them because like oh it's cool it's different if feel. I mean if you look at the cast of this. That's the main guest stars on us and on the first season to a certain extent. You know you're right. Okay yeah this is all clicking because we live in a post-match world clear and I've never totally understood that slate prematch World Bob hope type of comedy because I've grown up in a post-match world came in and it was like we're done with Bob. Hope stuff now but it's Bob. Hope Nicholson mates. It's the I'm GONNA put on a suit and tell jokes it's George Carlin before George Carlin becomes George Carlin. It's like George Carlin in that suit on whatever variety show he's on it's it's you know we're we're leaving flip. Wilson and we're going into more dangerous comedy Anna. Think dirty comedy again talking about this idea that you know. The studio thought they were dirty. It's like showing people for who they are. Look at the way these guys look. They don't even look like movie stars as a matter of fact he didn't want to cast Sally Kellerman she. He thought that she was too attractive. He just wanted unattractive actors and actresses which is kind of cool thing. I mean and you go to things like I always look at this and go taxi today. Or even to a certain extent cheers. It's like on SAMBA. Comedy ON NETWORK. Television was a little bit more grimy and thanks to friends then we all of a sudden cast really attractive people in a lot of our comedies and that was more of a a goal I you know I think we can go back and forth talk about comedy. Cables different but network comedy. This kind of pushes forward I mean taxi is this you know. I mean for all intents and purposes. That's true and I think a lot of what Othman did that was important here. Is he said to the studio? Like I don't WanNa hire you. Use List of people you went to like what San Francisco. He was like. Trolling around the San Francisco Theater scene. Right who like? Who am I going to pull from this weird network of people who do Shakespeare as well and say to me? Make this movie. Let's all have this movie debut. And he was just as interested in the support. People that had floating around in the back kind of mingling bumping in interacting with each other having conversations in the back of the season that you don't know what they're doing but he's watching them just as much as he's paying any attention to what you know. Mental Sutherland is doing much to the dismay of Elliott Gould and Donald Sutherland. Because they went to the studio and they complained that Altman was filming too much of the secondary characters. They requested that he gets fired from the film. Studio refused and after the film was completed and received with accolades. Only Elliott. Gould confessed like hey. I tried to get you fired from this. And as a result Robert Altman used him again and again but never use Sutherland. Sutherland didn't come clean on it. I love that but I mean it's like but you know this idea that like. I would be confused to me Tom. We were talking to Tom. Skerritt and a little bit. But he's saying he's been on record saying that. Eighty percent of the dialogue is improvised. What at this point in the seventies I must have been very unnerving to actress. But what are we shooting? And I know that when I've worked with actors who don't normally improvise. There is a fear of what can I say? What can we do? And there's a tension onset if you don't kind of roll with it you can kind of fall out of it. Yeah I mean. Apparently I've really enjoyed going back and reading. But all the fights that they had onset because Elliott Gold especially has laid a lot of the on himself. Like he's called himself elitist. He called himself arrogant but he said that one of the things that really upset him is that you know he was GonNa Complain. Almond like I don't know what I'm doing Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. It don't just pointed at one of the lesser quote unquote actress and he was like be more like that guy in it just offended gould so much his whole response. This is not a movie with movie stars like you're all doing. The Elliott Gould's not really movies are illegal. You can see probably is coming off of a very Hollywood moment because he does Bob Carol Ted Nahla Right now. He's nominated for an academy award and BAFTA and Laurel Award and film critic award so like he's coming out of it as like. Oh now I'm hot shit and he gets dumped literally dumped into this movie and now he's like no no you're you're equal to the fifteen people here whose movies. It's the first time that their on screen. Which is kind of I did. See that being unnerved me. You know one of the things. He yelled at him is you. Tell me what it is. You fucking want because I am a craftsman. Wow I can get that I get that I could get that and I appreciate the day that they made up a little bit. I mean I do feel like this film takes a strange narrative shift though really early on because you think that this is going to be this buddy film between Tom Scared and Donald Sutherland. They have the sort of cute where Tom skerritt shows up and he does not know that. Donald Sutherland is the captain because Donaldson his Anti Authority. He's so anti authority that even though he is the authority. He's not wearing any of his captain's badges or logos. You can't even tell what he is in. Tomsk treats them like a driver in the stolen in the driveway. And it seems like it's their buddy like the two of them kind of ragging on. Robert Duvall because they don't like religion and then all of a sudden Elliott. Gould comes in and it's like oh no no no no. I am like the new best friend now and it makes me so sad for Tom. Scared that's in that moment in the beginning you're kinda thrown into this world. You don't know what's going on and I am really interested there. I don't I don't I'm trying to play catch up with the movie which I kind of like and I can see how that is incredibly engaging thought spoon feeding you anything. No I mean. It took me to watch us even understand some of the stuff that's happening like really early on. They show up at the base right in that blonde girl with braids walks by in one of them. Whisper something to the other guy and you don't know what it is and you realize only by deduction later on that it's that she's sleeping with the colonel. No yes. The movie doesn't tell you not like. Oh the blonde can't have that one. Yeah Yeah it just goes on and goes on and goes on and goes on. Well I think again you know what I like about. This movie is that I don't mind spending time with these people right and and it's sort of like you're sitting around. The table of people telling stories about their own inside jokes impersonal relationships. And you may not catch everything but you can get that they have this amazing camaraderie. Can I met something? Yeah I don't like them. You don't like them. No I think they kind of sock Donald Sutherland and Elliott gold in particular. Just get on my nerves okay. They're just like oh we're destroying everything. Oh we're so cool but really. I think this would have been thinking about a lot since we saw mash is I've been thinking about. Why a lot of this anarchic comedy does not appeal to me. Mona fundamental level animal house. I don't actually like Animal House. That would be their love animal house. I like revenge of the NERDS. I keep bringing registered. It's such a lesser film. I mean look I know that you like really comical rape scenes. That's the problem so It took me a while to understand and appreciate animal house. And I'm not saying that this is you. Don't get it but I will say that Animal House and Blues Brother's those two films changed for me when I saw it in a theater and it really. It really became a whole different experience because there was an energy in the crowd than a never really got when I watched it one on one and also think to a certain extent. You know if you tell me that. Pick a movie en LAS not. The first thing I'm going to put on it probably in the top twenty I think comedy sometimes exist in the moment of that time like that was my dad's movie or that there's capture something so unique in some traverse like caddyshack. I guess but CADDYSHACK IS PRETTY BROAD. Like revenge of the NERDS. I don't know I just feel like there are certain movies that capture something like I don't relate to that kind of college or anything like that these characters. I wanted them to be more fun. That's what I kind of wanted. The whole when is it going to get funnier but I found them watchable. That's the that's the difference. Maybe maybe I'm agreeing with you. I don't know if anything they suck. I just wanted them. Well I wanted more from an. Here's what I see when I see this movie and also what I see when I see animal house is I see these guys come in. They're like where the rebels we don't want to obey any authority we disobey we break all the rules if there's any sort of cultural trope any sort of standard of behavior whether it's religion or whether it's you know rank order at a military we don't know by it and I want to like that and I wanna see that's cool and fun and rebellious but what I see in Mash is not that they like destroy. All the orders is that they just create a new order with themselves at the top. Well yes there. Order is also really patriarchal misogynist. First of all yes. I mean this movie is very much so I don't see liberation when I WATCH MASH. I just see these two bullies coming in and like telling women what to do in a different way but in above it and I think that's always been this paradox to me at the center of these kinds of anarchic seventies communist is. They don't feel free to me. They they just feel like a different version of like I I am. I am right there with you. I don't think but here's the difference in my opinion and is I don't think that they're anarchy is like we're going to level the playing field. I think they're anarchy as we're going to do whatever the fuck we want. And these are flawed people who are not good people and agree. This movie is incredibly misogynistic. Does Not age well at all whenever anyone wants to break down the system. Let's tear it up. There inevitably tearing it up and then building it up with themselves in power position. I mean it just sort of. I don't WanNa do that system. I WanNa do this system and and these guys are not like they don't have any point of view there's no point of view to them. Is this sort of like. I don't want to follow these rules. Do it my way. It wasn't like I. I need to perform surgery this way or are hospitals being run this way. It's it's all to be like. I want my bunk like this. I want to have this this. It's it's so it's so narcissistic it is the you're right. They make themselves into Gods. I mean there's sees where what like I think it's Hawkeye as he gets a tiny promotion. He's walking through and all the girls are singing about how wonderful Hawkeye is and how he just deserves to get laid now. Isn't he. Points the hot lips and he's like you? I want to see you naked. And she's not impressed and like he does turn himself into this kind of fiefdom ruler that I don't find fun like I don't like him. I I see when I watch mash is I see like I don't see any freedom for anybody who's a woman I see like if you don't sleep with them and be a cool girl then they're going to ruin your life and really sad so I can't watch movie and be like yeah get the squares it just bums me. I don't yeah I guess I never even saw them. Getting the squares. I just saw them as Dick's like Dixon running. And there's something more lovable about the dicks in an animal house. I think they're more. Anarchy versus is like new order but at the head of that organization. Is Tim Matheson? Who is an ultimate Dick? I mean it seems like all these movies in the seventy s about these comedies are all about how to get laid right and then they also have terrible stereotypes whether it comes to race You know and it's it's just a weird. It's a weird time capsule of where we are and I'm not saying like kids this movie. It's not work. It just sort of is like. I don't see how this movie is appealing to women in the seventies because it's not even it's UNIM- powering there at all. It's kind of oddly abusive points. Yeah I mean I think that's why I do like revenge of the nerds is because the Omega moves in that movie. The female Sorority of cards are awesome. Okay just make I like them. I think we're all really cool and weird and they have strange dresses and they play the violin. Also get to have some fun in. There is still the retrograde lake like. Let's look at the hot girls naked in spy on them which is a thousand percent just a thing that if you like they lifted from Mesh but there are at least Omega moves and maybe I'm just too I mean porkies is another right appeal. It's all just like let's start at chicks naked. I have to say like again. I don't WanNa be a pudding now Jonah movie and making it make amends for twenty twenty but I have to say I did feel like a little bit like Not embarrassed but just like. I don't know if I like this whole idea like you know they're trying to see what Sally Kellerman pubic hair looks like. Essentially right. She's a natural which as a natural lawn. It's not that hard like you can really just look at. Somebody's face. I mean and they set up an elaborate elaborate situation and like basically create theater seating to watch her. You'll get naked and there was something like really. I don't know why felt it. Just felt like she wasn't part of the gang and so to do that to her. It just felt very. I mean maybe I know listen to the. Let's keep talking about it because I think we really have to talk. Yeah I've got I've got your out. What do you want me to see what I got myself? How can I come in you? Get Away with everyday him. I got God damn commission more wine please. I mean so to break it. All down like hot lips has shown up in this town to work. Here she's very happy family. She liked you see. Her smiling US introduced with legs was just happy to be there. Happy to help pepper in big. See Her big sin is that she doesn't WanNa have sex with trapper. Hawkeye and that she likes the religious guy. She thinks she's like find. Dr Very isolated from everybody is they have this affair and And I can see where they have an affair and I feel like the film. Is You know saying. Let's hypocritical for them to say like Nina to have all these moral codes and then having this affair with each other they deserve to be exposed because of the hypocrisy of it fine but really her big senators that she likes this one dude and she doesn't like these guys into a man so she got a better get up and so we're really breaks. My heart is in that seeing. They also down in the theater seating like you're talking about to reveal her as she's taking a shower and she's of course. Abso fucking upset in screaming and hysterical. I hate even over to stay. But Yeah so. She runs into the into the colonel's office and he's in bed with the blonde and I feel like the defense of this has been. That Altman is saying well. That's just how the military was. It was really misogynistic. I wanted to show how misogynistic it was by having the scene here so she basically everything she's saying is actually really true. She saying like by letting them call me. Hot Lips and not stopping it. You have helped create this escalation of behavior you know. I just wanted to be here and do my job. And then she's like do you need me? Am I getting my job now any sick? Yes quit your job is if she loses her job because of these dudes being astles or she's threatened with losing her job. Nobody cares if she's a job. What bothers me about? The whole thing is like is really that. There's the blonde girl in the bed with him. Because I feel like the movie is not setting up. Here's a girl really upset against a man who doesn't care that she's GonNa lose her job you know and is like phineas your job. You're being the problem. It's that she's contrasted to this blonde girl in the bed. Who's just like going along with it? Having sex with the colonel keeping her mouth shut looking at this girl. Who's upset like she's the problem? This girl's deciding against her in that her reward is she gets wine poured for her and everything's fine and she'd never get stripped naked in public and there's something about that the trail there that just breaks my heart and I can't take it. There are so many points in this movie that I feel the same way about like. I'm just like it doesn't sit well with me and I understand like this movie so slapstick and then you're saying well but I'm trying to show the realism of what the military is like. It creates a dynamic that I think lessons some things and makes them feel more comical. So it's like you take the weight off and then you show that because that moment I think plays as a slapstick moment or I don't think that that's like showing the Misogyny I think that's I don't think there's any comment on the misogyny here. I think that's why we're playing a scientific moment. We're going to we ranked up the whole thing. We're going to see her naked in the shower and she's crazy and I think our performance there is actually directed to be a lot to be a little bit over the top. I don't think that that you know and I understand that. She's freaked out but I also feel it. Plays into what you're saying. It makes her hysterical. I slap away a girl who was offering her a towel. Most of this girl was watching her naked. Like she's allowed to be mad. Yeah they have the her. Do these little actions that make her the problem. Yes he does. She didn't want to see the guy's picture of his kid. She was walking in the shower so she deserves all of this. That's coming but that's kind of the weird thing about this movie is. They're not likable characters. Kind despicable and they're easily watchable and again I don't know if they're easily watchable. Because I know Donald Sutherland and I know Elliott Gould and I know radar Gary Berghof from you know from Mash and I feel a kinship to them. Because I know them if it's nineteen seventy and I've never seen these people are just seeing them a little bit. Maybe it is different experience. And it's very much like a story told by the winners sort of like Hawkeye's story and Hawkeye Story. She was plucking crazy. And we did this thing and we and all of a sudden like when you pick apart the store you go like wait. That was weird. Did he just say like he publicly made made her get naked in front of me? And then when you pick up when you hear the store your son of a gun and then when you look back at it you're like And I think that that actually you that kind of energy makes the Hawkeye character in TV. Show very different than the. Hawkeye character in the movie. The character in them in the movie. He is depressed and new Allen. All there's a lot more lively I. I think that this character is like an alcoholic and he is a womanizer and and just kind of SOB. And there's something about it like I think that they show his badge shit without any real consequences. They show is bad. Shit like Eddie's pretty cool though isn't it everybody else sucks worse? Yeah and and I think like I mean win. That shower scene happens. I want to I just WANNA see Houlihan go full Kerry Kerry Houlihan be like that's it. I'm killing all you. Mother fuckers with my mind but the thing is. I don't really buy the argument that Altman is exposing misogyny here for one real final reason that I think is his tell which is at the end when he showing the credits. And everybody's getting like their last little glimpse of themselves onscreen the clip that he chooses to show for Sally. Kellerman is her getting naked in the shower. Sally Kellerman smiling laughing. It's not doing anything normal. It's not being funny. It's her being stripped naked. Yoga that win by making that final choice. You're not showing her as the actress. You're showing her as the punchline enjoy. Don't buy it. I got so interested in this whole character of Sally. Why she did this move in. What's happening in her whole life? I read her biography before this I was like atrophy and understand power view S. But you're but you're also you're reading. You're watching movies. I can't keep up with any of this. I decided to take care of a cat much easier because you know I feel for Sally. Kellerman is the thing and like Sally. Kellerman has defended his character a lot. You know which I think. She deserves to defend it. You know she got nominated for an Oscar for this this woman a lot to her way I have to say. Can we just talk brass tacks in for a second? Do you think she's worthy of a nomination for this strange? Not It's IT'S A. It's a very flimsy part that I don't think has any real depth I I can't track it. I think it's just a sign of to me. I think the whole is a sign of how few good parts there were for actresses in how the power of a good movie right like you know. Sometimes the power of a good movie like everyone gets nominated with the exception of parasite Sometimes you can kind of scoop up a bunch of nominations because she is really the only woman in the film of note of course you to give it to her. You know exactly and I feel like four Sally Kellerman for her point of view. You know what she talks about a lot is. She always felt really uncomfortable. She always felt really self conscious trying to be an actress in Hollywood. She's five foot ten and a half. She says she was Chubby as a kid so she never felt attractive or fun and then when she starts trying to be an actress here you know. She's older by the time she gets the smart. She hasn't had a lot of luck and everything she's getting offered is like Bimbo girlfriend. Bimbo girlfriend Bimbo girlfriend so to be offered a part where she at least got to scream at least got to contribute to the plot in some real way besides girlfriend I think it meant a lot to her and I think Altman your that was suppo- that showers. We just heard her screaming was supposed to be her last seen. She's supposed to scream. He's supposed to be like find your fired and then she's supposed to go on and leave the film but Altman really liked her performance so much that he let's keep you in the film which is how you get that third act where she suddenly now just like a cheerleader. Yeah where they don't really change your character and and that bothers me out to like I like that. He respected Sally enough that he wanted to keep around. Yes but then you turn the hot lips character even calling her hot lips because she doesn't like that name right but that the way she winds up fitting in with the group is just by having sex with Duke and then she's like kind of like they're like we are fine but now you're just a dump. Cheerleader is if she's watching the football game and she's cheering and they're just making fun of her and she can't win then either. She tries to get along and they're like well you still suck but she she. She gives up everything that she kind of was at the beginning of the movie. You know I'm smart. I know what I'm doing I'm here to help I have. I'm responsible and I believe in the military to be like I'm this Bimbo and they're still like us. We're talking about Sally. I WanNa talk about another character in the film that also I think gets the same kind of treatment. Which is this you this character who is called Spear Chucker right? It's it's sort of like you know I've heard Alterman go. Well it's because you know You know the book was racist and we're not. We're not racist. We wanted to change it and like the explanation as well. I was called Spear Chucker. He says it's so politely. Like because I threw the Javelin in College. What is going on here? It just it really. That unnerved me to sort of like you're doing with these very heavy things misogyny and racism but like sanding the edges down on them and I think for offering a solution that is a bullshit solutions along. It's fine tell everybody it's fine. Yes and and that kind of like really those are the moments that are coming out and I think the both performances. Oddly become these weird stereotypes. I the spear chucker character is more aware like he's but yet the other team when they see in their go. It's weird when you have so many white faces in a movie or so. Many male faces in the movie. And then you drop in these two and then you kind of really spin them in ways. That are very base. I think and even this character of John you know the kind of Korean Butler Martini trainer learning English being torn between these two parental figures. One of them wants to teach him about Playboy magazine. The other one wants to teach them about the Bible when he was a big part of the novel. Right Ho John. He was and he dies in the novel. He dies in the novel when he they make it clear that like he gets enlisted into the war. Would you have that same here? Where they're trying to keep him out and they can't but then he comes back to the mash unit as a casualty in the book which is kind of an interesting. That's actually at least a story be taken away and make them odd Butler character and it's and it's a little. It's all this stuff it's like these are the three characters that are not white men and they're all pretty easy stereotypical and and there's really no dynamic point of view shown in what you're saying to me is we wanted to show this will. You're showing it but then what are you. Are you commenting on it? I don't know if you're commenting on. You're just doing it. And that's a tricky place to be like. You're showing the without commenting on it then you then. What's the difference and yet makes me really curious? I mean it is fascinating to talk about this film after we did Paris because you know basically bombed in who grew up in the aftermath of this mesh growing up in the aftermath of having occupation here watching a lot of the American movies as a way of teaching himself about American movies and having this strange dynamic that you see here in this film between like the American soldiers sort of coming in and trying to boss around and tell people what to believe in in his own country and I do find that strange and it's. I wish there was a comment because I've liked. The film is dancing around so many comments. I mean even the name of Tom. Skerritt you know. There's these kind of mild illusions that his character Duke Augustus Bedford Duke Forest Is Racist really seems to maybe get over it a little bit but by the way did you catch that connection to forrest. Gump no okay. Tom Skirts character. Augusta's Bedford. Duke forest is named after the same. Kkk Guy. That forrest Gump is enforced. Oh that's hilarious. I really honestly in the novel forrest. Gump seems a lot like mash. It's very it's very like. How do we make this into a movie? Let's just go for it. Let's just go for broke. Yeah in a neither one in my show that they know it all what they're doing by naming their character. I I mean that was happening with Sally field character when he was like. She named me after this guy just to remind me that sometimes people do dumb things really. Okay I guess that's probably the KKK nailed it there. We go Tom skerritt. You know making fun of Yankees but but but what does it all for. I know because. The Third Act culminates in a football game. Yeah which kind of dilutes everything. Because it's sort of like a by the way interesting side note. This movie takes place obviously in the Korean War during wartime and the only time he ever hear gun and the entire film is the referees gun in Football Sarno interesting listened to that scene closely you can also hear somebody say the word fuck which might have been the first time. I couldn't hear it but did you hear it yes It's the first and that that was ever used in dialogue in a feature films. Nineteen seventy there. You go market down. People Save Trivia Nights. Can I just say though I mean when I h