22 Burst results for "John Carlin"
Kash Patel: Republicans Need a Committee to Expose Corruption
"Republicans take back the House and the Senate cash, what can possibly be done to hold this fourth branch of government accountable, the unelected unknown unchecked branch. It just seems like there's so many different scandals. So many different things they're doing or not doing or intentionally, you're not focusing on what is it, cash that they need to do, going in January, more than just writing letters. I mean, I think it's time for a church and pike committee equivalent. What are your thoughts cash? You're not wrong. They need a committee. Whether it's select or otherwise to run a russiagate style investigation that Devin and I ran, but they need to go ten times harder. And here's why. You're right. Issuing letters is meaningless. Go get subpoenas. Go get the documents. Make sure the American public are shown. The documents that expose the government corruption at the FBI and DoJ. And I've said this since the beginning, I think the reason the FBI went down there and raided Donald Trump's home was because they knew this political leadership that was in place that started Russia gate knew that Devin and I only got out 60% of the russiagate documents during our investigation. That means 40% were left. Why do you think president Donald Trump declassified then? Because it showed their extreme levels of corruption and illegality against the sitting president of the United States and others. So they come in and sweep up under the counterintelligence investigation umbrella to prevent their disclosure and this Congress is the only mechanism that can go in there and force the disclosure of the documents and then they must call these people up to testify publicly, Chris ray, Merrick Garland, John Carlin, all these people, and without time limits and without private jets waiting for them that are paid for by the government to answer hard questions as to why did you allow this investigation to occur when you knew the people and the personnel operating it had already broken the law during russiagate. And some of these individuals are supposedly under investigation at the FBI themselves. How is it possible that they can work on an investigation of this magnitude? Congress must act big time.
Kash Patel: No Surprise John Carlin, Lisa Monaco Are Top DOJ Officials
"Minute I heard cash Patel say these two names this weekend on Maria bartiromo I knew I knew I'm like deep state back again Here we go He also mentioned something about these Russia gate documents too which was fascinating I want you to check this out This is cash Patel on Maria bartiromo this weekend Take a listen You know me as a former national security prosecutor in the national security division where this case is being run out of It's no surprise that the likes of John Carlin who was the assistant attorney general for national security who authorized a russiagate hoax to begin with is now the number three official at DoJ and Lisa Monaco is the number two official who was his superior back then These folks and this is the thing I want to stress with Now that this is a quote unquote ongoing FBI counterintelligence investigation they will come out to the American public and be able to say ongoing CI investigation you will never be allowed to see the Russia gate docs or any other docs at president Trump Lawfully declassified and they will hide it from the public and Congress as a monumental lift ahead of them come November They better start subpoenaing these documents immediately and putting these people before the American public Wait wait wait time out TO baby TO You're telling me the same people involved in spygate From the Obama Biden administration and the Department of Justice there Are the exact same people now raiding Donald Trump's house
Insider (2021): Mueller's Proteges Are Landing Top Spots in Biden DOJ
"I'm using lefty resources for a reason So when you want to sit here and moan it's a conspiracy Really His Business Insider Bob Mueller's proteges are landing top spots in the Biden Justice Department Lisa Monaco is among the former aides of Robert Mueller joining the Biden Justice Department She's the one right now at justice that oversaw this rate of Mar-a-Lago She was bob Mueller's buddy She worked with him too She was one of his age just like John Carlin She was also in the Obama Biden White House as they were spying on Donald Trump Folks this is not This isn't chess it's not like this is like connect four when you were like 9 and ten years old and we did board games before there was the Internet This isn't complicated Again they're not hiding this They are overtly going after Trump and using the same trusted confidants Why
Who Is John Carlin?
"So John Carlin and Lisa Monaco and Merrick Garland are running this hit on Trump Again this other one out of DoJ Who's John Carlin What if I told you that John Carlin and Lisa Monaco were close confidants of bob Mueller You'd be like no way So just to be clear John Carlin who was in the Justice Department when they authorized the spying operation on Donald Trump under Obama Biden Is the same guy who was a very close pal to bob Mueller who then investigated Trump for the fake charges the DoJ with Carlin in there made up about Russia Who is now the same guy in the DoJ now that authorized a raid on Donald Trump whereas cash said to potentially seal away russiagate documents Trump may have yes that's exactly what I'm telling you
"john carlin" Discussed on WLS-AM 890
"That case in a federal trial when multiple sources are reporting on June 3rd, Donald Trump personally greeted the FBI and DoJ folks who came to talk about these documents. That's an open and shut slam dunk. Throw the case out. Yeah, they're going to fail. I mean, remember James Comey altered that definition anyway for Hillary Clinton, what she actually that classified information. But moving past that, this case is never going to get to trial because of what you just highlighted. The GSA, the government service administration has already publicly admitted that they by mistake packed boxes and sent them down to Mar-a-Lago. And that was the reason they needed to go and supposedly in call information. It's not like Donald Trump put these in a suitcase and put him on Air Force One and strapped him to his back and walked him into Mar-a-Lago. That's where you fail on intent. There's no intent if you didn't literally pick the document up or even know it existed. And so they are going to come up a mile short on that. But they're going to run the jam fixed up here. They're going to get Hollywood and Adam Schiff and company and say Donald Trump is in possession of nuclear code. Really, you're a member of the gang of 8. Shouldn't you know that he was in possession of this stuff? And that is so harmful to national security. You wait two years. The facts are going to bear out what they always bear out. They're politically targeting Donald Trump with abstract and changing the law underneath them so that they can make a political narrative to the mafia and the media. And thankfully, we have rocking shows like yours who are always digging for the truth and we're going to keep going. Well, we're trying. You know, one of the things about 18 USC 2071 that gets the left to wet their diapers like Marc Elias, big Super Bowl for the left is the disqualification of public office standard. But listen, you're a very smart legal mind here. Cash, there's not a chance in Hades. That's constitutional. There are very clear requirements to run for president laid out in the constitution. They are not amendable by the legislative branch. They can't create an extra perimeter around those qualifications or expand the perimeter. They can't. They would need to be a constitutional amendment. There's a very simple reason for that cash. You know, when they wanted to checks and balances system, they didn't want the Congress to be able to rewrite the rules for president. Because if I didn't want cash Patel to run for president, I could then put in a law that says, oh, and by the way, if your first name is cash, you can't run either. That's not the way this works. So your thoughts on 2071 and the disqualification thing. I think they will never withstand constitutional muster. I'll get to the statute in a second, but I just refocus our energy on Mark, Elias. The Hillary Clinton operative that got paid tens of millions of dollars to start the steel dossier hopes, the alpha bank server hoax, who has been labeled a joint criminal conspirator by special counsel Durham in the prosecutions of the summer. This guy is now coming out and saying this statute and he knows it doesn't false falsely saying it applies to the president. The bottom line is the office of the president is going by the constitution constitutional amendment. The same people are the ones that stood up 5 years ago and said, it doesn't apply to Hillary Clinton, even if she were to win the presidency because they were right. It doesn't apply to the office of the president. So like anything else, their hypocrisy is going to clear Donald Trump just like Liz Cheney cleared Donald Trump for January 6th when she stated he didn't order the National Guard. He didn't. It would have been illegal. This statute doesn't apply. And I think once they documents come out, we are going to see how much of a farce this sort of quote unquote prosecution is because it's being led by the most political attorney general of the United States history. And for him to run to the podium like a coward last night, say the men and women of DoJ are great. You know what they are. The only one that's not as you and your Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco and your payday in John Carlin, they're the biggest political hucksters out of Hillary Clinton world who are just itching, itching to put Donald Trump in president in jail for false accusations. And you know what? We'll talk about it soon. I'm sure of a Russia Russia gate is going to come around again. And I believed in, and I haven't said this anywhere, that the reason they went in is to block the russiagate documents that Donald Trump declassified on the way out. I've seen him. I know what they are. They're so bad and they're so bad for the Democrat. They went in. So now they can say this. The FBI has an ongoing investigation. You can't get the documents anymore. So that's my belief. And I think we got a bear through it with Congress and we got a buckle down. And get it. And selfishly, I plug my book the plot against the king. Please buy it. Cash, I'm a little mad at you right now. I got to be honest. You just blew my mind with that thing you just discussed. And you waited 16 minutes into the interview. Wait, plot against the king let's get a plug for the book. Plot against the king by cash battalion is a good friend of the show. Go pick it up. Plot against the king. Again, as I said about you often, you texted me the other day, which was very nice. But I mean it. One of those commentators who you'll say stuff I haven't heard, which is remarkable because this has been in the news for now well over 72 hours. So you're suggesting there, which I now have my eyes are open, and you could be absolutely correct. Now one of their possible motivations is not, in fact, to look for classified documents, but to hide Russia gate from being exposed and to use the, oh, now it's part of an ongoing investigation. So we're going to have to make this stuff go dark in. Genius. It's the murder. You're talking to the guy that is the name by Donald Trump as a national archives representative. The guy who did the D class work with Devin Nunes and the Trump administration has Devin and I've always said we only got 60% of the docs out. The remaining 40% Donald Trump declassified in October of 2020 when he put out the wholesale statement every russiagate and Hillary Clinton email investigation document that he is hereby declassified. And on the way out of The White House, CD classified whole sets of documents, the national archives buried, the political hack that was running the national archives referred this matter to DoJ when he did not have to because I was trying to get access to those and get into the American public and now the FBI raids him and they're going to say ongoing counterintelligence investigation, not even Congress can see it. But when this Congress changes, we're going to have to make some heavy demands of the
"john carlin" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"When was this case finally over for you? I don't know what you mean totally by over, but I mean, I guess in 1998, I didn't mean the last involvement that I had in it would have been testifying in Topeka on Lisa duns case. Yes, yes. And then obviously with a remit of being sq, but this went on for ten years. So one incident you were involved with, you know, lasted ten years. But that's kind of when you look back on it now, I mean, everybody says, why would it could have should have, but the thing is you were in the right place at the right time doing the right thing, going to the right driveway. And like you said, I think I want folks to know too, is that Mark won't tell you himself, so I'm going to tell you, but for his actions, and for his bravery that day too, he was awarded the Kansas heart patrol governor's award and what makes that thing exclusive is I think by the time you had gotten it in the 75 or since 1937, it would only be an awarded, I think, four or 5 times. And you were one of the recipients of the governor's award. For that day. And so tell us about that, man. You get to go see the governor, get your picture, there's an awards banquet, you know, with the cancer association to choose the police. Dude, you're a Kansas, even though you weren't an original farm boy. We've now put you in the farm boy club. You're a farm boy hero. My friend. I didn't know, I didn't know we were sitting here in the presence of royalty, man. Well, the interesting part of that is you just mentioned it was John Carlin, so that was the award was from that, putting that other spin on it kind of makes it. But it was cool. I mean, it was really cool, you know, my mom and dad flew out from D.C. and got to go up to the capitol and, you know, everybody, everybody enjoys their day of fame..
"john carlin" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
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"john carlin" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Not just for those who steal the information like those uniform members of the people's liberation army but importantly for the companies or individuals that benefited from that stolen information. President trump has resigned That executive order so it's still in place just like we have with those who proliferate weapons of mass destruction or terrorism so that's another potential tool and has to be cala rated calibrated with a diplomatic strategy where it is clear. One that we have the will in capability to keep raising the cost proportionately. We are going to do that until the behavior changes and to the offramp that if the behavior changes so will the policy so that our adversary can make the cost benefit analysis now. Not every country is going to be as rational actor but believe when it comes to china in this space. Very much are rational actor. There in strategic goal is not to blow up the world order international order. They want to succeed in it. And so if you Can convince them rationally which requires taking action to change that calculus. It can change. Talked me about the private sector few number weeks ago. I had some people from google in this studio chatting about their advanced protection program. Which as you know is a sort of elaborate of a much more elaborate set of anti phishing protections designed to protect the most the most highly targeted potential users of people who are really kinda facing state actor level efforts My reaction on talking to them was you know. Gosh this should be basically standard. It should be you know every thirteen year old who has a A a g mail account or a facebook account or twitter account should have had should just get used to the idea that i'll like logging log in procedure is not simple. It's a we all just need to get used to the idea that These are assets that we need to. You know that securing requires a measure of inconvenience and this level of inconvenience is actually not all that bad. It was i. I actually don't mind it at all. I'm wondering which private sector entities by name or by category in your judgment are doing good job a good job here. And where the locus of the problem. Remands look the still finding when i talk to fortune. Five hundred companies that they're wrestling with this new concept that That this is an area of risk management like other areas of risk risk management. I remember One of the stories. Tell the books about after the office of personnel management that the president of the united states tried to hold have his cabinet meet and the first two times. The cabinet officials sent their experts. You know Instead of going so for justice department attorney general wanted to send me and the chief information officer. And the third time they've got a st- sternly worded email from the chief of staff and the homeland Adviser that said you can bring whoever you want but you gotta show up because if you don't understand it as the top executive in language that you understand you can't make quarter fundamentally risk decisions and that includes not just You know what you raising the latest greatest in security but decisions as to what should be connected to the internet at. Aw and boy. It is a vital time to have this conversation. Because as bad as the risks in vulnerabilities that we are facing are right now as we play catch up. We're on the cusp of a major societal. Transformation where we're are moving to. What is the buzzword. The internet if things but essentially we are connecting billions of new devices. That are have physical implications using the same insecure protocol and that includes pacemakers that have gone into people's hearts. And what they did is they tested to see whether it worked. It worked. Great what they didn't have as disea- would it work if a bad guy crooked terrorist or spy didn't want it to work and what they realized was no. We didn't do basic a protection zone. Eleven year old using publicly available software to attack and kill and then a patch was rolled out and we saw something similar with a a a a vulnerability where you could hack in through the entertainment system and take over the breaking in steering system of our cars. So whether it's the pacemakers in our hearts the cars on our roads the drones that are increasingly in our skies if we don't incentivize people now to innovate into having security by design on the front end the damage that we see won't be measured in billions of dollars but it's going to be measured in las lives. Who's doing it. Well i'd say the you're starting to see In the couple of different sectors the financial sector In part because cases talk about the iranian distributed denial of service attacks that hit forty seven different financial institutions over. A period of time was real. Wake up call to the sector plus records and have the funds But i think they've taken good steps to not just protect their system but focus on resilience And they have a program called financial sector arc. That's working on. What would happen if no matter how much we've spent on trying to protect the worst from happening it happens. What could we do to get back up and running again with something. That's not otherwise connected so financial sector. You're starting to see now. A big change. In the defense industrial base in terms of how products are designed and in the automative sector. Post that recalls. I think some companies have started to blend what used to be two separate segments the cyber security information technology segment into the design segment so that they are thinking about these security issues from the front end. But there's a lot left to do one more question than i'll let you go as you look for word at these five countries that you've identified as as critical here and you think about the things we are doing the things we've tried that haven't worked the things we've tried that have worked and the things we haven't tried at all that are available to us to try. What's the low hanging fruit. What's the what's the the the single thing that the. Us government isn't doing that it could do. That has the biggest impact in the code war. I'll give four one internet of things we need right now to in the government needs to lead by microphone by law by regulation to incentivize companies to build security in on the front end number. Two cybersecurity workforce gap that should be something that cuts across party Through the aspen institute. We've laid out a plan to fix it. But hundreds and hundreds of thousands of jobs. I need to be addressed in handy. This helps helps people get work and helps tact a tackle..
"john carlin" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Spying services have been recognized under international law. It is okay to use them to target private companies for the benefit of their competitors overseas. And that's why facts matter. You look at that case. It's things like westinghouse. Doing a joint venture with the chinese uniformed members of the military are stealing are not state secrets. They're stealing the technical design specifications for lead pipe. So the next morning the point the joint venture partner no longer has to pay to do the lease or the solar company that that is in that case that got driven into bankruptcy because they stole the pricing information. Use that stolen information to price dump after they priced dump to add insult to injury when that company sued for unfair trade practices. They stole the whole litigation strategy. Private companies cannot deal with that type of threat alone and we put an attachment to show. What the threat is. And what is those pill members. This activity started nine in the morning. Beijing time that get up. Put the uniform go to work hands on keyboard. Start hacking into us companies to steal money from essentially and then. They took a slight break from noon. To one lunchbreak activity increased again decreased overnight and on chinese holidays. That's both the prosecutor and me. We call that circumstantial evidence as to who did it. But also shows this really is the military's day job until we change the behavior and then lastly i fundamentally believe we can change the behavior. This is a cost benefit analysis. And when we did nothing of course it was a good way. Instead of spending funds on research and development it was easier to steal it. why not it's completely cost-free. Can you imagine what the national security agency could do. And other of our professionals if as part of their mission it did not matter if they got caught. That's crazy way to try to change behavior in the world. And i'll see we thought this was the beginning and has been the beginning of a new approach. I was surprised by how much of a difference one case That case and then there's another case we talk about in the book that has really not been talked about before which is the case of sue been china new and we were taking all this criticism and we weren't going to say Publicly because we want. It didn't interfere with the case that this is just name and shame. You're never gonna actually put people in jail. But china knew that we had there was a case. We had brought an individual named sue. Ben and canada have been arrested pursuant to us charges. For conspiracy to hack into boeing and Other companies so china knew there were real teeth and real criminal charges in fact they tried to pressure canada to release him. Kansas state strong extradite him and and he's done real jail time. I think that case plus ubin plus the president raising it repeatedly diplomatically and the new executive order on sanctions which we can talk with a little bit More convinced china that the cost was getting too high and lead to a breakthrough were president. She agreed that you shouldn't use your military and intelligence agencies to target private companies for your private financial gain and that led to the g. Twenty adopted adopting it led to it now being understood as part of international law and we did see and the still surprises me that it happened so quickly for a period of time a change in behavior where we saw a decrease in that particular type of attack but the private sector saw at crowd strike mandian does firms in that space and government a decrease in the behavior. Now it seems to be ticking. Backup again which to me. Doesn't show that you shouldn't raise costs. It shows that we're gonna need to raise cost again or maybe it shows that if you have presidential leadership that really Not merely takes. Its i off of this particular ball but denies the premise that foreign adversaries are in fact attacking us that they feel a certain relief from the pressure. We absolutely need leadership from the commander in chief on down for the strategy to work. That says we know you're doing it and it's unacceptable and that message has to be each each country. You can't look at this as china problem or russia problem or iran or north korea. That's why i call the code war there each watching what the other is doing. And so we're all the other next level players who are developing capability in this space every action. We take needs to be calibrated with the understanding that it's going to inform how hundreds of other countries use these new tools. When you observe that it's taking back up now and you say that that that's evidence that we sort of need to do it again. What's the it here. Is it merely bringing on a bunch of new cases or is or is the it a consistent message between new cases and you know highest level and mid level diplomacy that this is a priority issue for us like what's the relationship between cases and diplomacy here a great point it needs to be a coherent strategy so wade look at the all tools approach would be the excellent work that is done by. fbi agents intel analysts and others to figure out who did it feeds the tools of the rest of the apparatus and by the way for that work to occur. You need the cooperation of the private sector. So you figure out who did it your case then. The criminal justice system is still one great tool for making public. What it is they found. It is not the only tool. it's not the method that was used for instance in the north originally in the north korean attack on schone criminal case came much a much later so there are other ways to make it public. Then it can feed things like the commerce department's use of the entity list to designate certain companies ones. For whom if you do business you need a special license. Because it's contrary to the national security interests of the united states. We saw the power of that tool with when it was applied to z. T. e. also. We mentioned briefly with the executive order that president obama signed which was the first time we had a executive order. That allowed the use of sanctions..
"john carlin" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Just the brookings institute alone has right not gonna be a fundamental deterrence to their behavior if you want to Attack them or impose consequences back to deter that type of behavior in the future. You need to instead focus where we're strong which often is in the financial sector. They're week to change behavior. All right. so let's talk about these indictments When you guys brought the p. l. a. indictment and for those who do not remember this was the first case where we and by we here. I mean you since. You were the Assistant attorney general for national security at the time named names of individual hackers working for foreign intelligence agencies to steal. Us intellectual property and the indictment was an uncommonly good read just as a as a matter of of prosecutorial storytelling about something. You know how this operation had happened. It was it followed A pretty amazing bit of private-sector forensic work on What has a on by the citizen lab and you know And you know other kind of private sector groups on on this particular advanced persistent threat And there was a lot of criticism of it including from my law. Fair colleague jack goldsmith which you know the nature of the criticism was. Hey you're never gonna get custody of these people you're giving up significant intelligence Secrecy in order to do this. It's not gonna change china's behavior and so other than sort of the us government thumping. It's chest what does it do. So i've been thinking about this debate in you and jack had a kind of public back and forth about this and i. I've been thinking about this a lot. Because of course you could make exactly the same criticism of bob muller for the hacking indictment and the the internet research agency social media indictment in the russia investigation case. Both of which we don't have custody over the people it's presumably not going to you know vladimir putin's not going to say. Oh my god. They've prosecuted people. I can't keep hacking people anymore so we now had a couple year. Few years of these indictments happening And the responses to them happening. And i'm interested for your thoughts on first of all. What is the history of this type of indictment so far. And what is the evidence that it does anything other than make us all feel good so i think you're right and then back up that that is where the justice department is now. They're moving full speed ahead with this approach that began with the the first public. Indication was the indictment of those five members of unit six one three nine eight a specialized unit of the people's liberation army. You can say ugly guerrilla gig by the moniker ugly gorilla there to make you Make you happy. But my favorite part of that indictment. I always think too i think Former director comey talked about china chinese economic espionage. Being so noisy it was like a guerilla going around your house in this case literally what he called him so ugly guerrilla when. Run your house so so you can draw a line from there to the justice department now continuing a strategy of figuring out who did it making it public and in seeking to us not just the criminal justice system and i'll a back up on that but but not leaving the criminal justice system off the table and instead using an all tools of government power to raise the cost. And you see that. Not just with the case. That director mueller Brought in his role a special counsel which i would argue vital to not just Whether or not we bring them before a court of law but to educating us about what the threat was and now you've seen that with a case that was moved from the special counsel to the national security division. The current deputy attorney general rod rosenstein announced a new policy at the justice department. Which said we are going to our policy. Presumption is is around september. Twenty fifth gonna make public science of election interference that we see before the election then under seal at easter district of virginia not brought by the special counsel was a case that was returned. An a complaint that said they laid out how the russians activity wasn't just in the past but charge someone with attempting to interfere in the twenty eighteen election. This is the atlanta luciano of her case. Exactly in that that strategic announcement that we're gonna make it public and then follow following through shows that they're committed to this approach and let me back up on why. That is the right thing to do. Yes so i like. I have no doubt that it exposes information. It put stuff out there. It really like i mean shows that there was this operation which has important collateral domestic political effects since the president denies the premise right. But i'm interested in it from a cybersecurity code war point of view. What does it get you so one. This is about bringing it out of the shadows one. It educates those who need to protect these systems on what the threats are by giving it in real incredible detail so when a company is trying to figure out how much to budget on putting in new systems to protect itself from cyberattack or and in twenty fourteen this was still very much the mindset needs to move from a mindset of thinking. Hey if i just get the right. it guy. i don't understand what they say. But if they just get the right guy they're gonna fix this so In keep the person out of my system changing that mindset to one that recognizes there is no government or private sector system that can keep a dedicated adversary like the second largest military in the world out of your system so you need to move more towards a risk management resilience mindset by the way a change that the government Needed to go through as well which we saw in the office of personnel management so when educating number two alpha use this example for non-lawyers you've Many lawyers who listened to your podcast but think of an easement. So this is the idea in common law that if you let someone walk across your lawn long enough they get the legal right to walk across your lawn and that's why we put up. No trespass signs won't international. Law is fundamentally a law of customary law and while we were accepting the gorilla banging around the house where everybody could tell that it was china and they were stealing and weren't even hiding their tracks. I mean they weren't even using proxies. They weren't even using service that hid their identity. Real you knew. It was coming from china when you're a company as long as we were tolerating saying nothing keeping it classified keeping an intelligence space. We were making international law. Doing nothing did something. It created international law. That said it is okay to use your military and intelligence services just like traditional.
"john carlin" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Don't be too good at it or we'll get a drone after you or will arrest your indict you but if you're just i'll work a day guy stealing a lot of money. Being a cog in that giant wealth transfer and presumably siphoning off a little of the wealth. Yourself we don't have a solution to that problem yet. So i'm i'm interested in your thoughts. At what level have we solved the attribution problem and they break it into into categories. So i there wasn't a there wasn't assumption of store. I met a guy who He used to work at cnn. Now he's switched switched networks. And when you go to see a cyber hacking story watch tv and look for the fingers and he was the fingers on the keyboard he just was someone working at the station. And so what they did is they. Videoed him typing at a at a keyboard and then every time they had a hacking story was this faceless person and you just saw the fingers is there howdy with with the shadowed hoodie. Right in the in the background. They're still using that visual. And so until we changed started changing this approach and naming people and also Changing the way we were investigating the cases because when you're doing attribution for intelligence purposes you don't necessarily need to get down to the face behind the keyboard but when you're going to out him or bring a criminal charge you do so required a change in the way that we were producing an analyzing the intelligence. In one reason. I go into the book. And they're just i. They're just great stories when you look at exactly how the mistakes that people People were making and their ways that people can learn From how they do the attacks some of these attacks we've been seeing are done the same way for the last twenty years can increase your ability to protect yourself but also it shows we are able to get into that type of detail do the attribution and it is not true that you need to remain face faceless hacker and it's true with lots of other types of crime is well right if you're if you're a smart criminal you try to keep yourself below the radar so no one's looking for you which is part of the answer to your question and so those are the crooks That are hardest for us to catch and those were who rise up above the radar and people complained about the ones that get the most resources. So we're much better at attribute Attribution than than people think and we're starting to make that clear by bringing case after case in making it public. You raise a second question. Which i think is less than nation state activity and more the low level Crook and a couple of thoughts on that one increasingly. There is a massive organized criminal industry. That's highly segmented that's multibillion dollar Trade you know if you go onto the dark web. Today i literally could just give you the site you could go on and right now you can go to a site that looks just like amazon and when i say it looks just like amazon. I mean it's got five star reviews and so you can say. I want to buy stolen credit card numbers and There'll be a review. That says i've bought from this. Before and the vast percentage of these work he's a great cook or and then the ones. I always love. There'll be a one star review and it will say i bought from this crook and he's not trustworthy and you're like what did you expect your in your by criminals undercover fbi which is a good way to deter. But in fact in one of these cases great justice case that was brought in the last year. The name of the group was literally in fraud. We trust and you had to sign up. So i like the pairing of the word fraud and the word trust never know and i think partly in terms of different tactics just like we have with other criminal enterprises by undermining that trust increasing the degree of difficulty showing that we do take bounce it makes it harder and it will have less of a scale problem that we have now and as you neck down the scale then it becomes also easier and easier to apply resources. We've had other seemingly intractable criminal. Problems were reviews that method before and it doesn't happen immediately but you end up seeing a sharp reduction in crime where links with the the nation state problem though and we'll go back to that idea of the credit card thief is let us a case like the yahoo case. There was an individual where he was on the top ten most wanted list by the fbi for credit card fraud and we tried to get cooperation from russian law enforcement just like we get with child pornography and other cases that really have nothing to do with nation state disputes. But everyone agrees or We thought that crime Certain types of crime or bad so they asked hey. Can you help us rest him. Here's here's the evidence. Not only did they not arrest him but they signed him up as an intelligence asset said keep stealing and also we're going to give you tasks things for the state i think right now are organized. Criminal problem is in large part a russia problem. They are shielded. Look at case after case that's brought people arrested all over the world but not in russia in the same conspiracy. They are shielding and using organized crime as a way to make money as part of their Economy way to task for intelligence and his way to disrupt the world order. And until we work with like-minded partners to hammer them with increased cost for that behavior. We're not gonna be able to solve this issue so that's just to be clear. Not fundamentally that response you're describing not a cyber response right. it's a it's a. Russia needs to pay a price at in the international presumably economic and political space for its support and cooperation with organized criminal groups. Much the way we say you know. Iran as a state sponsor of terror needs to pay a price for that that may not be. You don't do that by launching terrorist attacks against iran right. It's kind of a But it's a it's a using non cyber assets to punish code war kind of behavior. Is that right. That's exactly right so we think about it is it's fundamental to having a strategic approach to attack your enemy were. They're weak in your strong and the fact of the matter is we moved further and faster than any other country in the world to take everything we value from analog space books and papers to digital space bits and by and we did so systematically in government and in the private sector without calculating what the risks were if bad guys wanted to attack that information where it was now vulnerable because it uses a protocol internet protocol that was never designed with security in mind so we are playing a massive game of catch up where people are just. Now i think over the last couple of years in government and private sector starting to think of this as an area of risk. They need to manage getting better educated. On what those risks are and making rational decisions so we are more vulnerable than other countries in that space so to use an example. We talk about You live through with north korea attacking sony motion pictures knocking. North korea off line is probably as many ip addresses..
"john carlin" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"We still were not seeing what was occurring on the intelligence side. It wasn't until. I went to work for bob mueller. Who is then relatively anonymous in the director of the fbi that the door opened. And i was able to see what was going on on the intelligence side and we didn't change approaches. And what i saw by the way was was horrifying right. It's all great intelligence the but giant jumbotron street screen and you could watch in real time as china in particular what happened. Places like universities go from the university into companies and then we watched with Keith alexander former head of the national kurdi agency called the largest transfer of wealth in human history. We watched and had great graphic user interface. When i say watch were watching. Billions and billions of dollars of intellectual property. Trade secrets flow out of the united states. And so we were tasked with watching isn't good enough. That's not strategic success it comes from a understandable mindset. I mean for years. That was the approach when you were doing counter until espionage operations because what you're seeing think it is small enough scale that you could map out operatives inside the united states and for years on end maybe forever you wouldn't disrupt because that might make it harder to find where they the spy network tried to penetrate next instead you would wait. Watch pass them fake information and was part of a much slower speed cat-and-mouse game important but a different way of tackling it that mindset was still there but it was totally inapplicable when it came to the scale that we were seeing was cyber and the fact that it was causing real damage to real companies now is bankrupting people putting people out of work. It had consequence which meant we need to get better at disrupting and when you think about where we are today. It's still really recent that we switched to taking that attribution that we were doing out of the shadows because we doing a much better job of it than people knew and and having a new strategy where you figure out who did it but then you make it public and imposed consequence and it wasn't until twenty fourteen. We brought the first case of its kind. So i'm going to get to that but there's a huge amount in here that i want to unpack. Because there's a lot of threads in the things you just said. And i want us to try to untangle them so first of all you're describing that the intel is much better than people think it is and i wanna i wanna just wanna home in on that for a sack. It is pretty common to talk about an attribution problem. You have argued in the past. And we've seen some pretty dramatic examples starting with the famed ugly guerrilla indictment which which you call the p. l. a. indictment but will always be ugly guerrilla to me that actually the attribution problem is at a forensic level very solvable. And so i wanna start with that and just ask you is the attribution problem solvable at scale or is it only solvable. In the cases that are high profile. Enough and important enough and rich enough that you know people in your former roles decide okay. We got a throw everything at this one in other words and the reason i'm asking this is because it seems to me to matter a lot if you say. Hey if you're a hacker out there we can get you than to say if your ecus and you fly too close to the sun as a hacker out there. You're not safe late in other words. don't be too..
"john carlin" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Or customers have given him that information. That guy asked for five hundred bucks. He was an extremist from kosovo and he actually moved to malaysia. Twenty one to get access to better ban Bandwidth believe it or not in part and so using that better bandwidth. he then works with fellow extremist in kosovo. The two of them hack into this. Us company steal information that's entrusted to them. Ask for five hundred bucks through bitcoin so from the perspective of the company if they don't work with government it looks like a low level Criminal computer hack for five hundred bucks buy from malaysia. He becomes friends with junaid hussain that extremist from england. Who's moved iraq assyria and they only meet through twitter. They exchange direct messages. That's like half my friends. I only know through twitter. Watch out they may not be. They appear to be although in this case. I think another work in this case they did and you see if you can convince him. Hey passover that information to me and you need to sing could care less about five hundred bucks but he wants to do is what. The islamic state does which is kill with And murder people. Muslims and non muslims alike with impunity. At that time they were bringing women and children into slavery and they were using rape as a political tool so instead of getting five hundred bucks would he does his take. This information personal information entrusted to a us company. Turn it into a kill list by looking looking for whose email address looks like their military or state police and then pushes it back through twitter and says kill these people where they live. We were able to take effective action. And that's why. I can go into so many details. That were otherwise untold in the book. So that you can tell We were able to work with malaysian through the state department. Get for easy arrest. Any serving twenty years in virginia for his crime the first time we charged computer hacking terrorism in the same indictment and was outside the reach of law enforcement iraq assyria and was killed in a publicly acknowledged military strike by central command. But think about that. You know ben you were talking about the new National security issues that we face. That's five or six different countries. It required sharing information at the speed and scale cyber and and i think this is the challenge of our time as hard as it was to get better at sharing information within and between governments we cannot combat that threat unless we give information to the private sector At the speed with which we're seeing it so they know what the risks are complied for them and vice versa. We need the information from the private sector. So we can do. Things like action Military responses law enforcement responses diplomatic. And when it comes to that sharing and that transformation we are not where we need to be. So is it fair to say that the defining feature of the full blown code war is that it hybridize with other national security threats that it requires net speed communications within the us federal government between agencies and components between the us government components and foreign components and between all of those components and the private sector. Yes i think that is fair to say and look for a long period of times part of the story. I know you've covered before when we tell but inside the justice department you know when i was a line computer hacking prosecutor. I worked with a great squad at the fbi but we just did criminal cases. There was another squad behind a lock secure compartment door that didn't tell occasionally agent switched and poof. They disappeared never to be seen again. And i even when i coordinated that program nationally on the criminal side at the computer crime intellectual property section..
"john carlin" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"And so. When i joined the. Us trees office. Everyone knew about Bob muller who is their truck and his lip bag over to court and trying trying homicides. Let's turn to the book. What is a code war. So i think now just like the cold war was not a traditional conflict but was something that i think rightly was called a war that required dedicated will that was in a state of essentially low intensity conflict and required a strategy to win we are similarly now in an era of code. War there are Multiple countries committing low intensity conflict operations against the united states north korea. Russia iran and china. They have different tactics and strategies. One of the reasons. I wrote the book is i realized when i talked to board of directors to ceos to the general public right now that much of what they think is science fiction and possible threats. That may come in. The future have already happened but those stories have not been told you. Start the book with a story that is very connected to stories that were used to hearing right so the post nine eleven radicalization story is Only you treated as a cyber story more than as a terrorism story. Talk to me about the relationship between the code war and what we used to call the war on terror right or sort of global counterterrorism operations. Because as i was reading the introduction to the book. One of the things that it's trying to do. I think and correct me if i'm wrong about the literary aspiration here is to tie these two things together and you know have the reader understand that he or she is reading the story of anwar al awlaki and adam ca but reading it as a cyber story rather than or as a cyber and terrorism story rather than simply as a sort of nextwave al-qaeda. So it's i called the blended threat and what we're seeing now in the in the cyber arena in the cold war arena is a new challenge or a new problem and to me the problem of terrorism. And what we're seeing in cyber creasing lee starting to blend in conflict and what's new is that companies are on the frontlines of national security threats. And you think about the reforms that have taken place billions of dollars. New departments and agencies director of national intelligence department homeland security and the division. I lead at the justice department. The national security division. They were all designed to get better at fixing the problem. That cost innocent lives since september eleventh and that is the failure to share information at speed and scale across the law enforcement and intelligence divide and with foreign partners and we did get better at that and we were able to disrupt al qaeda one point and its strategy of recruiting operatives. Who physically moved over to afghanistan pakistan were trained vetted deployed to try to commit attacks on the scale of september eleventh but with terrorism two point. Oh the islamic state in the levant it becomes a story about our technology just like al qaeda used aviation a western innovation against us. We were seeing the islamic state in honor isis. You social media and crowd source terrorism and the tip of the spear of that campaign was a computer hacker. It was someone named genetic hussein a british citizen who had been convicted and served time for computer hacking became radicalized. Moved to rock assyria and will start a in the book as drew case and when i go around and talk to companies. It's not a risk that they're used to thinking about but it's a real risk in today's blended world where what looks like a pure computer hacking case so a relatively actually not that sophisticated computer hacking attack steals a small amount of names addresses personal identifiable information from a us company with a trusted name.
"john carlin" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Law fair archive. This is author intern. Sarma with the podcast. From the law fair archives for july twenty fourth twenty twenty one thus far twenty twenty one has seen a number of high profile incidents in the world of cybersecurity earlier this month. The russian hacking group are evil launched debilitating ransomware attack on visa that affected businesses and organizations around the world and at the beginning of this week the us and its allies accused china of a massive cyber espionage campaign including the microsoft exchange. For today's episode from the archives. I went back to november twenty eighteen when john carlin assistant attorney general for the justice department's national security division from april twenty. Fourteen talk over twenty sixteen and the current principal. Deputy associate attorney. General sat down with law fair at during chief. Ben witness they discussed the book carlin wrote with garrett graff. Don of the code war l'affaire listeners will hear harlan discuss how the us government engages with cyber threats specifically those coming from china and russia which allows a better understanding of how the us government may respond to some of the more recent attacks john. I'm excited to talk to you about dawn of the cold war but before we turn to that. I would be remiss if i didn't start Your by your one of two people to my knowledge who has both run the national security division of jets of the justice department and served as chief of staff. Bob muller i'll do a quick correction 'cause believe there are three because ken weinstein lisa. Monaco and i also served as both chief staff to director muller and had a nascar ely. I forgot that can had also served as chief of staff to bob muller so fair enough. It's still it's still a very small group of people. And i want to ask you first of all about the mood in your former division at justice you must be in touch with a lot of people. It's difficult time for the justice department that are holding up. It's a fantastic group of prosecutors. Who are motivated by mission. Like bob muller himself and so i think there's a lot of right now discord between between parties but the folks in that division are focused on those who want to harm us as americans so when you get up in the morning and your job is to protect innocent civilians from being killed in terrorist attacks and you know the stakes of getting that right you stay motivated and similarly There was an initiative. We can talk about a little bit more later. That really springs from much of what we talk about in the book in terms of the threat. We've been seeing front in cyberspace from china. Russia north korea iran. And you look back about two weeks ago now to the initiative that the justice department announced to crack down on economic espionage until the behavior changes. That's the sort of a threat that gets those prosecutors and trial attorneys up in the morning but surely amidst the business as usual which is what you're describing in the counters counterterrorism and the counter intel. Space it is not business completely as usual when the president is you know publicly undermining the mission in important respects. And i'm you know i'm curious. What the what. The normally the intersection between the work of of of the division and the sort of public politics. Except when you have. Like edward snowden like events is pretty near zero and now it can't be near zero because you have the president out there publicly commenting on all kinds of pending matters. And so like. I'm just interested. What does it do. Yeah people are still motivated. Get up in the morning. Do their jobs but it can't have no effect on the way people think about people think about what they're doing every day. Yeah let's divide it into two things so one are the prosecutors and trial attorneys the law enforcement agents the fbi intel analysts. Are they motivated and going to do their job. No matter what type of crazy talk there is in the restive washington. Yes i believe that they are but that's different than the attacks on our institutions and the undermining of public confidence in those institutions undermining public confidence in the institutions can affect your ability to develop cooperators witnesses foreign partnerships and ultimately it's a strength of our country and one of the reasons why our country is both envied and feared by authoritarian countries. Is because we've been able to carve out a political institutions of the department of justice is the envy of the world for that reason so just like those agents and prosecutors are to protect us from terrorists and those who would harm. We need people on both party in both parties of good conscience to stand up and say it is utterly inappropriate to direct the justice department to not bring a prosecution for political purposes or vice versa. Your successor in that role as head of the national security division. Is this somebody you look at it and say this is in the bipartisan tradition of leadership of that department as it should the average listener of this podcast. Think whatever's going on at the You know between matt whitaker and and the president but with the muller investigation the national security division of the justice department is in good hands both at the career level which you've already said and at the political level yes the assistant attorney general now charged in nashville division. John moore's is someone known for a long time Dating back to law school and worked with when i was at the fbi and he served in the national security division. Under one of those other muller proteges can wayne stein and he is someone who is dedicated to protecting the national security interests of the united states and not political and if you look at the leadership below that of the national security division it has stayed almost entirely in place as it should be. And we've seen this. This'll be the third administration now where there's been a continuity because national security professionals are not driven biparti. Let's talk briefly about bob. Muller who shows up periodically throughout your book. You were his chief of staff and he has gone on to play a role very different from the role in which you served under him. How do you read from having worked very closely with him. What is your read on the state of play with with respect to the investigation. You'll ben easy good example and tell some stories about it in the in the book of not just a person who does his job with extraordinary competence and when you meet him and work with him day in and day out he someone he seems like he's sprang from the pages of history book he someone who's utterly dedicated to the mission at hand to trying to follow and solve the problems and facts and apply the law and as humility about the application of the law. So that's him just in terms of being a competent individual heading this investigation but there is also what he represents and we talked about a little bit in. There is this Increasing better to try to turn the justice department partisan he personifies and motivated people not with a great speeches though with the life that he led to dedicate themselves to a non-partisan mission oriented justice department and that dates back to his service as volunteering to go into the marines or he ended up not just risking his life but saving the lives of others. Something he by the way did not talk about is almost impossible to get him to talk about that time in his life but it had a great resonance for him his pride in the marine being marine he would talk about to his time as a career prosecutor to the legend that i knew when i went to the washington. Dc us attorney's office as aligned prosecutor. Exactly what led you to say. But it's a great. It's a great story so flesh it out. So this is someone who had risen up to Something that required senate confirmation in a presidential appointment to be the top official at the justice department in charge of all criminal prosecutions. He then left. Tried going to a private firm for a little bit. Decided he hated it. Miss the mission and went back to be able line prosecutor doing the equivalent of state and local crimes in washington. Dc to be a homicide prosecutor. Because he'd always wanted to serve In that type of that type of job. And so. When i joined the. Us trees office. Everyone knew about Bob muller who is their truck and his lip bag over to court and trying trying homicides. Let's.
The Musical Chairs Between Robert Mueller, John P. Carlin, and Lisa Monaco
"If you go to John Carlin's scam MPD, otherwise known as Wikipedia Page. You'll see on there. That him and Lisa Monaco traded spots in the higher up positions in the Department of Justice Quite often, Look at this. United States, assistant attorney general for the National Security Division. Mm. It was John Carlin. Who was he proceeded by Lisa Monaco, the same people investigating Trump the same person again again. It's my Gator. Here. Acting United States Deputy Attorney general John Carlin. Who succeeded him. Lisa Monaco. It's like musical chairs. Where the deep state then why do the same people keep turning up in these positions all the time? They're both back. Carlin was appointed back into the Biden administration. And so is Monaco. They were key players in the spiky thing, and they're investigating Trump again. For the same thing they did spying on Nunes. And his phone records. This is again think that that Oh, I'm trying to keep this show family friendly. The great fruits on these people. The Democrats don't care. They know the media cover for
"john carlin" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
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That's the latest weather checkout more news and weather on our website at have us feet dot com. Like i said you can call in and talk about what you want. Six zero three two eight three six one six zero lead seven call we do. It's mark with you and reo. So we're reading the declaration of independence on this inauguration show and i'm trying to compare sort of compare and contrast because you know this was a big deal in seventeen seventy six. They had gone through a great deal and dealt with a lot of crap and say said we wanna rule ourselves well there. Tolerance for crap was significantly lower sin america's today and that's kind of one of the points that i'd like to make here is that we have no idea what freedom actually look like or tastes like these people did have sums some idea because they're ruling power was generally overseas and relatively minor domestically and still they had enough with like a three percent tax on tea or something like that. They're significantly more to it than that. But yes i mean it's it's worth pointing out. Yeah yeah and we're looking at twenty five percent taxes on marijuana and things like that so that's okay. It's not too bad better than not having marijuana. I suppose right if we did this. If we declared our independence from the government and kick them out. That's what they did the other day in new hampshire they did. They kicked him out. Well they told them they're fired. They didn't go home. It didn't seem to work. Yeah i think the only solution here is to just stop obeying. But you know. I i look at it as i'm free anyway. I do pretty much. Whatever i want whenever i want and the government some of the things i do are not legal according to the government most of the mar but the things that you know the big things that people want to be illegal like murder rape theft aren't things i'm going to do anyway so if it's convenient to me i will obey the government. I won't murder someone just because the government said not too sure. I'll obey that law. Because i was going to obey that law anyway right but at the i'm not going to go out of my way me today and i was kind of confronted with the idea that With the fact that the government turns us all into many businesses. that's called businesses for for the sake of this conversation businesses into freelance deputies for itself. Yes so this is my biggest issue with this mask ordinance. Crap in this case it was it had it was covid nineteen rules. I was going to the dentist and i had not gotten into the office. There was being met outside the office by the Vigilant and and happy Dental person sure who asked me a list of questions. You know Do you how do you feel today. have you had a sore throat. Have you had a cough. She said in the last twenty one days. Have you coughed. Mike yes of course. I've coughed last twenty one days. I surely that's happened And have you coughed. In the last twenty one day she wanted to know if identical covid cough. And i'm like no. I didn't haven't done call like well. That's really what's the questions this is all about. And then she came to the question. Have you traveled outside of the state in the last twenty one days and the answer to the question was yes i have. But answer you gave was no The answer i gave was yes. Okay so i didn't get to the office like they cancelled my appointment and that was off. I went wow and Not immediately they've they felt bad for canceling my appointment. But they didn't want you know that whatever now like my question is how do i like in the absence of the government rules. I don't know what they would ask me. Because i don't live in a world where the government didn't and rules to these people what they would ask me so that i would you know. Give whatever answer i would give. I don't like to lie but my my truth. Telling mechanism is informed by a quaker conundrum. That was brought up in the past is what do you do when a slave catcher comes to your house and asks if you've got any slaves hidden on the property and you lie. That's what many quakers the conclusion they came to other people are like i can't lie others.
"john carlin" Discussed on KIRO Radio 97.3 FM
"Can go on down. Get yourself a bacon ater if you so choose. You ever hear the bacon ater? John Carlin? It's not. The thing is supposed to always be bacon aiding. I think the Tracy Taylor talks about that. Exactly Do I read that spot often? Don't I was gonna get about always be bacon ating. Always be bacon ating. Hold on. Let me see if I can find it. No, I'm not reading it today. I probably read it tomorrow. Definitely always be bacon eating. Okay? I just heard from Trooper is about the situation that was happening out on highway to Sultan Basin Road. Troopers tell me that the high centered box truck that was blocking at one point was now been cleared out of the way. But we're still left with the residual backups because of this, Yeah, it's going to take us a while to kind of unwind drivers or actually, in really good shape right now. Both directions of I five through the downtown corridor. No problems on 5 20 or I 90 Still slight hesitation on south and four or five near 44 through Tacoma. We're still finding ourselves stuck between just after the King Pierce County line into parts of five north on five near the dome and boy that south on five drive through liquids brutal after 5 12 that continues all the way out towards Thorne Lane. Traffic is brought to you by Mariners baseball bash the ultimate virtual baseball party free for all fans, and it starts tomorrow more info at Mariners dot com slash baseball bash Cairo Radio. Real time traffic. I'm Tracy Taylor. It picks the next United Skinner as it gets the hose again. Little Bell here and ice cream teams. Ben and.
"john carlin" Discussed on Murder and Mystery in the Last Frontier
"Born in New Orleans Michelle Hughes was bright and ambitious at sixteen Michelle left New Orleans and moved to New York to pursue a modeling career. While, she did lance jobs. Modeling was not the get rich scheme. She expected and Michelle decided if she wanted to find a good job and Mary a respectable man, she needed to get a college education. To earn enough money to pay for her tuition. Michelle cashed in on her looks and body, and she did not mind taking risks to reach your goal. After a few years in New York Michelle returned to New Orleans and began working as a stripper at a nightclub when Michelle turned twenty one, she decided she could earn even more money working as a stripper in Alaska where businessmen, fishermen and especially oil field workers have surplus money to spend on gorgeous young women. Michelle moved to Alaska and got a job dancing at the great Alaskan Bush company. Michelle was not much of a dancer, but she was good, looking charming and smart men seemed helpless in her presence, and they gave her furs, jewelry and cash. Michelle often made between one thousand dollars and three thousand dollars a night in tips dancing at the Great Alaskan Bush company. She also formed relationships with several ever fans outside of business hours, and her unfortunate marks gave her even more money. CAN'T LA- pink John Carlin. A businessman named Scott, healthy or three of the men who received most of her attention. Michelle accepted engagement rings from the Pink Carlin and healthy and was engaged to all three men at the same time. By nineteen, Ninety six Michelle had earned enough money to retire from stripping enroll in classes at the University of Alaska, Anchorage and buy a home in Selah. Kent La- Pink Often State Michelle's house, and when Michelle bided Scott Hill key to also live with her hill Katie, found the living arrangements strange, but he accepted it he'll key discovered extensive rot, Michelle's house and a building inspector told her she would need to move out of the house until it can be remodeled. Michelle mentioned the problem to her friend. John Carlin and Carlin anxious to have Michelle closer to him invited Michelle Hill Katie and the pink to move into his house in Anchorage and live with him and his son. Eventually. All three accepted Carlin's offer, but Hill Katie. Who traveled for business only stayed at Carlin's house infrequently when his work brought him to Alaska. The cast of characters in this story is a bit confusing, so let me give you a little more detail about the in Michele's life. Scott Hill Katie was a traveling businessman whose job often brought him to Alaska. Like the other men in this story. Scott met Michelle at the Great Alaskan Bush Company. Of the three men, Hill key was Michele's favorite while Scott did not have access money to on Michelle. He did have a cash. A frequent flyer miles an often flew Michelle to exotic resorts for Romantic getaways. He'll key lived with Michelle for awhile, but finally moved back to California. He and Michelle stayed in touch though and they frequently met for trysts. John Carlin Michele's second fiance was awarded one point two million dollars in a legal settlement from a former employer in Philadelphia. The contractors supplied his workers with lead based paint to paint a huge suspension bridge over the Delaware River and Carlin suffered lead poisoning. With his small fortune. Carlin moved his wife and son to Alaska, but his wife died of natural causes soon after they arrived. Carlin bought home in Anchorage, and he and his son John Carlin the fourth stayed in Alaska when Carlin saw Michelle at the Great Alaskan Bush company. He fell in love and began spending his money on her. Michelle's third fiance was Kent La- pink. His family owned a successful chain of grocery stores in the Midwest. Can't start it in the family business, but was fired after he embezzled one hundred thousand dollars. After losing his job can't met Alaska, commercial fisherman, who invited Kent to work as a crewman on his fishing boat during the summer of nineteen ninety three. Kent became enamored with the fishing industry and Alaska, and he convinced his father to give him money to buy his own fishing boat. Like her other suitors can't met Michelle at her place of work and fell in love. Despite his infatuation with Michelle can't was also attracted to men, he refused to have sex with Michelle until after they were married, even though he knew she was having affairs with the other men. Not long before his murder can't reportedly made advances towards young Giancarl in the fourth. The overtures upset the boy and infuriated his father. John Carlin the third call the police, but they did not pursue the case. John Carlin finally accepted that he and Michelle would never be more than friends, but couldn't pink told his family. He would soon marry Michelle and they were planning their wedding. Can't was jealous. Michelle's other suitors and often spied on her and read her emails. When she left town, he would drive through the airport parking lot to see if our car was parked there once when she and Scott Hill Katie rendezvous at a resort in Louisiana can't followed them surprising them in their hotel room by serving them coffee in bed. Can't also spied on his other roommates and reportedly stole their possessions. The week before Kim's murder Michelle met Scott at Lake Tahoe. Michelle told police that to throw can't off their trail? She asked John Carlin to write her a note saying she and a friend were welcome to spend the weekend at his cabin near Hope Alaska. In Truth Carlin did not own a cabin near hope. At the bottom of the note Michelle wrote a message thanking Caroline and asking him not to tell anyone else where she would be for the weekend. Michelle Vin Litho note where can't would see it. After Kent's death troopers found this note in cance car. They believed. Kent drove to hope on the day of his murder to search for Carlin's non existent cabin, and the authorities felt the real purpose of the note was to Lure Kent into the Wilderness near hope where Michelle and Carla..
"john carlin" Discussed on News-Talk 1400 The Patriot
"Sat down with justice Thomas for thirty hours came up with an incredible history of this man's life but don't worry it's only ninety minutes long the story of this man growing up in the segregated poverty of the south going to seminary losing his faith becoming a left wing radical in college they're finding god again and be nominated to the highest court in the land and that's what really starts to get nasty when Sunoco Joe Biden says I am not letting a black conservative become a Supreme Court associate justice watch this movie created equal for show times there isn't to get tickets go to justice Thomas movie dot com it is spectacular justice Thomas movie dot com don't has that all conservatives need to see this movie justice Thomas movie dot com we are back we have a new pot costs in school about the sixteen hundred with my buddy buddies with city here in studio I think I would have a podcast with you guys I was so much fun Victoria Toensing Jody Jenner it would not be great guy with a vote the wrong hands up we have a well do you punk us with these guys we apologize but we'll talk to them later we always find the next thing to discuss it's it's a rolling rolling train of stories and you always have the right balances in the break you discuss to meet discuss with me this issue of the genesis all of the impeachment which is not what what most people think that would be the Torah well it began it did did the department the eight national security department the Deanna hi and it builds character national intelligence the guys it's about all of our intelligence yeah which is used in used to be back in the days when I was called watershed council has an intelligence committee the DCI the head of the CIA was having all of them telogen swirled but they changed it after nine eleven I think it was a very big mistake so now they put another layer of bureaucracy over all the intelligence agency and he hasn't he hasn't inspector general yes hi G. wired this I. G. from the justice department who had worked on all of these FISA might well actions and Michael acts and he changed the rules at the last minute right before the curtain which change the rules to say one was before with blowers he said it doesn't have to be first hand information it can now be second hand which is outrageous anonymous person giving here say that is because he knew that Eric Carmelo who's going to be the wouldn't have anything didn't happen personally I think this is so important is we created the rules for a specific person I need to any therapy this so that the individual whose fingerprints are all over the illegal FISA warrants that we used to spy against our campaign the trump campaign that individual becomes the Attorney General becomes the inspector general of the director of national intelligence and he's the person who changed the rules to allow a putative whistle blower who isn't a whistle blower attic Chatham Allah to become a whistleblower despite the fact he doesn't have any prime a facie evidence of any wrongdoing exactly it wrongly reported the phone call wrongly this is completely inaccurate and this guy Michael Atkinson who was the I. G. for the intelligence community who allowed that so called whistleblower to go forward we have to remember during the Obama administration he worked for Mary McCord John Carlin all the people who ran the national security division the people who ran all the FISA warrants on Carter page so that means he knew and was part of the legal faisait wiretap it's on Carter page so some idiot in White House personnel decides well I have a good idea let's make him the inspector general for the intelligence community and he gets made and then he sets the plot in motion with this phony report from this clown Eric charm and just as importantly the president doesn't have his own person as the DNR the director of national intelligence talk to us about how important the sixty seconds we have it in our ranking positions across government chief of staff to the president and the head of White House personnel what what is the rank in importance to the floor I'm not sure which ones will slow to a stop and I would make White House chief of staff number one because he can fire yes personnel and the chief of personnel has to be somebody who is politically astute not some clown who knows you know HR rice is not about each artist is all about this is about killing and politics and getting the right people and making me by this he means Arafat yes and and also making sure the people who are loyal to you get jobs which is not the case in the trump administration many many good loyal people have been rebuffed well you know the little birds are tweeting their whispers in the tall grass I give my vote right now to the next chief of staff Mike Mick relax get get just taken you know retire at nine one zero degenerate thanks to the president could you imagine the left oh my gosh I would pay to watch the reaction we hit with Victoria Toensing judge general a potentially the next chief of staff of the press that's why my phone is we.
"john carlin" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI
"Find freedom by George Michael one day you're gonna learn what I was right you're wrong when it right you're the one that said why am thong and it is freedom and it's no George Michael for not ma'am yes it is based on what it's based on men's words on the record now yes it is wake me up before you go go were careless whisper all are known all along there in nineteen eighty four album okay I I thought you were talking about freedom ninety did you hear me say did anyone hear the word nine eight now okay that was a trick it wasn't a drink you started the old my goodness you know what I'm gonna let you slide on the ten another Sunday with extra because well I mean more than ten his day all right house Democrats expected to ramp up opening statements in the Senate impeachment trial of the president the day anybody want to you know take a guess how that's all going to end we all know how yes long time P. B. S. newshour anchor Jim Lehrer has died at the age of eighty five he was the co founder of the networks new show with Robert macneil share the news of the day with Americans for thirty six years they say they mac Neil Lehrer approach to reporting the news help set the standard for modern public media reporting and even if you didn't watch P. B. S. in you're not familiar with where you might know that he did moderate twelve presidential debates and and meet winning actor John Harlan has died he was eighty six but just of heart failure at a hospice in Burbank John Carlin played the con man and scoundrel Willie Loomis on dark shadows on A. B. C. from that was a soap opera from nineteen sixty six to nineteen seventy one that might be where my wife got her soap operate diction may with dark jobs because I watch dark Jedidiah I mean I did a couple lines of dark shadow I didn't get addicted like my wife did most notably Carlin played Harvey Lacey yes find dailies Mary Beth Lacey on Cagney and Lacey from nineteen eighty two to nineteen eighty eight nominated for Emmy awards three years straight and one in nineteen eighty six John Karlen is survived by his son Adam rest in peace Jim Lehrer rest in peace John Karlen an automobile is a huge investment we wanna make sure that last as long as humanly possible looking for honest knowledgeable auto mechanic use the shop I use Cambridge auto center they're the experts I turned to my vehicles are working great now brought several down.
"john carlin" Discussed on The Dan Bongino Show
"With Michael Michael. Oh that's the inspector Spector general who changed the rules about whistleblowing to allow fake whistleblower complaint to proceed that was used to impeach the president Herat Inspector General L.. You worked with him and an Atkinson. This can't be so you were in the National Security Division working with Atkinson who was also the lawyer for the head the National Security Division of the DOJ. John Carlin. WHO's the same guy who by the way signs off on the the woods procedures member of the woods file verify he is the lawyer for the DOJ one of the final guys to sign off on the FIS award? John Carlin who worked with Atkinson the idea a forward to fake whistleblower complaints who worked in the National Security Division with Mary mcchord. Who's now working with Adam? Schiff after forwarding the fake whistleblower complaint mccord's working with shift to have the President Peach. Oh and by the way they work for Carlin. Who was Bob Muller chief-of-staff before he became Obama's head of the National Security Division the DOJ and worked with Atkinson mcchord on the whole Spike's folks? The verdict is it has nothing to see here. Don't you worry. Deep State keep on deep state. No worries folks folks and they write this Darren Samuelson in this piece. They write this like not even remotely curious that way way. Let me get this stream. So what are the lawyers involved in the National Security Division that forwarded the fake charges about donald trump onto the FIS accord signed off on one of the lawyers. Involved is the I guess. Now the Inspector General who forwarded the fake whistleblower complaint after changing the paperwork that guy days division. They altered the paperwork paperwork to make this fake whistleblower complaint go even owners know firsthand information and one of the lawyers they work with Mary. mcchord in the nationals curves is now working with Adam Schiff to impeach the president president onset fake charges who she was also involved in the spy. Gate thing no worries folks. There's no connection Dan. Bongino is the crazy. You see what I'm that Joe it's me you went. I Apollo nuts. I didn't want anybody has the story that we're all crazy thing. Keep remind nothing told. Would you can be factually challenged nothing now. Your takeaways. You're free to you. You did you discern from that information whatever you want just understand this the media. I'm not care. They don't care. One Bit Impeachment Muller Spy Gate Fake Whistleblower Gate it is all the same people Bianca Interviews Flynn Bianca signs off on the woods. File the woods foul reviewed by John Carlin at DOJ. Ns Thief Carlin works with Atkinson. Atkinson works mcchord. Atkinson becomes the Inspector General Inspector. General's office alters a form of fake whistle blower can file a charge against Donald Trump. mcchord was at the NASD doing all. This wisdom lease isn't it goes to work for Adam Schiff to make sure donald trump is impeach. This actually happened Paula. Can I jump ahead to inequality community that for tomorrow okay. 'cause I got a really good piece of Wall Street Journal. Thanks to everyone who send it over to be about the myth of inequality growing in the trump administration. But it's GonNa take me a little bit. Is it so it makes such a damning case that Obama is the one who heightened economic inequality. I want to say that for tomorrow. Because you WANNA get the Pelosi's import because and I WANNA finish on a high note. It'd be the press we will change our government. It's just a job and it's a hard are job and we're all engaged. Nobody's quitting we are moving forward and proceeding ahead. We'll get accountability. I don't care how long it takes so he was a Pelosi Z.. Remember I told you it. Pelosi's I said they were going to move on after the impeachment Hoechst Dyes Blower Hoax Muller game and all that they're gonNA and move on seamlessly they nothing happened to their. I'm telling you there next. Narrative is going to be trump colluded with the Turks is nothing. There's no basis in truth on that. It's just it's out there. I warned view. Pelosi's already going there now. This is a great video because not only should not only. She proved me right that they're already preparing their next hoax. But she goes back and contracts out the old collusion hoax again on this appearance this weekend with George Stephanopoulos. Here's why she's doing this in a nutshell. The impeachment thing is a disaster. She's GonNa forward the impeachment German articles over this week. Maybe today she got wrecked Ari. Kt wrecked wrecked. She made all these demands of Mitch. McConnell we're not forty in the articles articles until you do this. This and this McConnell said this is me giving the double barrel Middle Finger without the middle fingers because we're trying to keep the visual somewhat family friendly policy. It wasn't happy I said that on judge. You need this week. But they deserved it. Mitch McConnell said no thanks. We're not going to negotiate. But you just hold on those articles new fun over there public pressure your bill. Pelosi look like an idiot. She's now been faced planted totally here. She's like this fair palm face. I looked like a moron. Because what happened. She's got nothing. She has to send the articles over and she got nothing. Zero Zilch face planted totally tripped over our own legs. Couldn't get out of her own way. So now what does she do Jo. Now she's angry of course because she was always a praline political tactician. Yeah Yeah you're right. She was so brilliant. She got wrecked by Mitch McConnell yet again. So here's Pelosi this weekend. I think it was George Stephanopoulos. Losing it going back to the Russia hoax and introducing the Turkey hoax. Mex check this out. The president of the United States is in complete denial about Russia's role as I have said in terms of this president all roads lead to Putin. He has as he said. He's not going to accept the assessment of of our own intelligence Asian that they that they were very much involved in two thousand sixteen election that twenty four seven now they are still engaged. He's trying to blame it on Ukraine and this silliness That has been debunked again I and again but he and his folks still keep advancing it. everything that he has done whether it's in Syria vis-a-vis the Turks whether it's been in Ukraine in terms of withholding assistance as they tried to fight the Russians his denial about their role in our election. Then and now all roads lead to and sometimes I wonder about a Mitch McConnell to see why is he an accomplice to all of of that he has resisted horses going in in a manner commensurate with the threat of four state of of the agency's whichever they are a state could be the secretary of state or whatever to protect our infrastructure our critical infrastructure election. So he says you shouldn't even call that critical infrastructure so it's all of a piece with them and that's why it's really important for the facts to come forward to witnesses to be heard the documentation to be reviewed so that the American people can see there's as generally you're witnessing and I'd be dead serious not a joke. You're witnessing a broken person right there. I counted upwards of four or five. Discredited is credited conspiracy theory. She throws that totally discredited the bunk and conspiracy is that anyone with access to a nineteen eighty-six Internet modem could look up on the interweb to whip. It's just an embarrassment. She trots out the Russia conspiracy theory her new conspiracy theory on Turkey in case she was hinting at is going to be this joke. Get ready now you you heard it here. First folks. Trump was going to pull troops out of Syria. Because he's got some business dealings with Turkey. Get ready get ready. That's hoax number. Two hundred sixty the two thousand scum and she trots out the conspiracy theory that Ukraine did not get involved in the two thousand sixteen elections. Here's the politico piece. Politico left leaning left leaning politico. Not This isn't some right. Leaning outlets reporting on Ukraine trying influence the two thousand sixteen election we go Ukrainian efforts to sabotage trump backfire by politico. Not Bongino ISKOE. The job. Pelosi said this didn't happen. Yeah political retracted. This article Joe. This is a documents thoroughly. Ukrainian from the list goes that she tried it out like I said I counted about four or five maybe up to six the bunk conspiracy as you're witnessing a broken woman who has been humiliated and embarrassed barest at every single turn. She thought she was going to leave her. Tenure as speaker of the House or tenure in Congress as the celebrated Napoleon like political tactician Shen and. She's been completely wrecked at every turn and she's just broken she's been. She is totally a mess. She can't get out of her own way right now. Yeah I told you about the Turkey thing. I warned you all right on a good nose. I saw these this morning. Legal insurrection action at great piece. A friend William Jacobson runs a great blog legal insurrection. One of the best websites out there. I have his peace with the full piece of a piece with the full pieces. Article the full piece up at Bongino Dot com slash newsletter again. That's our show notes. We will email them every day if you choose but this is a series right now of Reagan jokes that been put together. They're just short and sweet. But I'm only playing them in light of Bernie Sanders recent rise to the top. Who of course is a Communist? I mean is to advocate socialism. Sadly and a lot of the he seems to ignore the death and destruction. That comes along with Reagan found and I agree with him. You may disagree but I agree totally one one of the best ways. It's almost an Linski. Like tactic is to annihilate people's believes that socialism is. The real deal is to make jokes about about how horrible socialism much it's inappropriate. I don't think so and Reagan. Did neither humor sometimes. Sometimes break down walls and crack those ideological facades people keep up. Who really believes? Socialism can work so I got two of these is a good one. Oh here's Reagan cracking a joke about socialism and an appointment of guy makes to buy a car. Check this one it's funny. I've been collecting collecting stories. That are told in the Soviet Union by their people among themselves which reveal. They've got a great sense of humor but they've also got a pretty cynical attitude attitude toward their system. And I told this when bill you'll have to hear it again. I told it in the car. I didn't tell us when Gorbachev you know there's a ten year delay delay in the Soviet Union of delivery of an automobile and only one out of seven families in the Soviet Union own. Automobiles automobiles is a ten year. Wait and you go through quite a process when you're ready to buy and then you put up the money in advance and this happened to a felon. This is their story that they tell this joke that this man he laid down his money and then the fellow was in there was in charge. said to him okay. Okay come back in ten years and get your car and he said morning or afternoon.