17 Burst results for "John Carlin"

"john carlin" Discussed on WBSM 1420

WBSM 1420

07:04 min | 5 months ago

"john carlin" Discussed on WBSM 1420

"Which is why Weisman has been screaming and yelling. About DOJ lawyers not cooperating with with the Durham investigation. That's you know, I figure out what I knew Weissman had Derek all over his hands. I didn't think he was that stupid to go out publicly and urged people not to cooperate because that's a piece of evidence. I mean, assuming he's ever charged that public request people not cooperate is evidence of consciousness of guilt. I think these guys think that they're immune that they that they're right invulnerable. Yes, they do. And if you go through the whole list of people inside the DOJ at the upper levels. Sally Yates John Carlin, the guy who ran the counterintelligence Division, a little weasel named David Laufman. Who is it? The core of a lot of this activity. All of those people. All of those people should be subject to the kind of investigation and it certainly interrogation that John Brennan went through. But Brennan's is an important one because he represents the person. Who was it? Responsible for the creation of the intelligence community assessment at the end of the Obama administration at the beginning of the Trump administration, something they cobbled together in a couple of weeks. Which is unheard of in the intelligence business to do an assessment that fast about Russian influence in the election. Well, how about Sally Yates Last week she goes and testifies she goes and delivers this ridiculous speech to the Democratic National Convention. Such wass and she accuses Trump of trampling on the Constitution and less than 24 hours later, her her minion Kevin client, Smith, is going to plead guilty to just that. Trampling on the constitution, right? I mean again. The audacity of these people is his breath thanking, isn't it? Absolutely in Sally Yates is another example of the people who Are doing exactly what they accused. Trump of no one has done more to destroy the rule of law and trampled the Constitution and Sally Yates. John Carlin, James Comey. Loretta Lynch. And all those people with the Justice Department responsible for the IRS scandal. Weissman all of those people, I mean, this is truly an outrageous claim by her the hood spot that it takes. Her magnolia breath, Get up there and make that type of truly truly remarkable, But what's going to stop them? I'm just looking at now. This guy so much. He's case. Agent number one. Apparently, this is the guy. The client. Smith was giving all this up all this information to some of them some of which was true That Carter Page was a CIA operative, and that he gave him the false information later on that he wasn't a CIA operative. So I'm looking now. The report. Case. Agent number one. It's this guy. Soma claimed that quote not to recall his state of knowledge in 2016 regarding pages history with the other U S government agency so he could go in before the grand jury and say, You know, I don't recall that and the feds the pride Durham's people will say, Look, Look right here. Here's the Here's the E mail from your account, and he's going to say, Do you know how many e mails I got? I'm a very important person. I can't remember every email I got Yeah, That's what they could do, Can't they, Joe? Yes, they can. And it's Durham's job to make them say that in front of a jury, it's germs job to indict them for perjury and false statements and make them pay a lawyer. And go in front of a jury and give that is an explanation for why they don't remember. And maybe they'll convince the District of Columbia jury that they didn't know that it doesn't matter. That they were doing it to Trump. Maybe all of these people will get a path because it's a District of Columbia jury that hates Trump. But they should be put through it and they should be forced to hire lawyers. And they should be made to answer in a court of law because they're the ones who undermine the rule of law. Sally Yates, his performance Is truly disgraceful. I'm sure she'll get a neighbor a awards. Uh, Lyndsey, wait by the way. My wife and I resigned from the 88 20 years ago because of the way they treated Bush nominees. Now it's for judges. It's It's like the Luo. I mean, they used to be a decent organization. And now they now they won't stand up anything. They won't stand up for any of us to fight these unconstitutional lockdowns and rounding people up here. No, because because all they care about is protecting illegal immigrants that that's the new thing that the parent cares about their don't care about free speech. They don't care about anything. What about Lindsey Graham last week, saying that someone should be prosecuted for lying to the the Senate Select Intelligence Committee. Whose do take Lindsey Graham with ah, with a grain of salt Joe or not? I have no idea what Lindsey Graham is doing. I'm delighted that he released these documents He got Chris Ray. Missy. The master of DeLay is Chris Ray, his ability to produce these documents. How can it be? That thief documents that show that Hillary Clinton in 2015 got a defensive briefing about a member of her staff having a relationship with a foreign government. And Trump never gets that defensive breathing in 2016 the notion that you could say there wasn't a double standard is ridiculous. And I know Lindsey screaming about there needs to be an investigation. People need to be prosecuted. Actually, what he says. Doesn't matter very much because Durham and bar making these decisions. I'm sure they're treating him with respect there trying to treat him nicely, and he'll make a referral from driver that's worth. But the fact is, you know, I'm just glad the information's out. I think I now I'm beginning to think that the biggest thing that's going to come out of germs investigation is his report. If he's not gonna prosecute Brennan and I assume he does just doesn't have the evidence. That least Comey and the Kabbalah and the bureau in its senior levels of the Justice Department. And if that's the case No have added and item, but I hope the report is going to be how soon for the report like according to bar it's going to be by the end of the summer. I hope he means before Labor Day, as opposed to September 21st, you know? Yeah, well, the sooner you help before the I hope it's before the early voting starts. Yeah, I know. I know. That's just that's out of control there that they're they're already in front of the polling places in Massachusetts. Now, the primaries eight days away. It's crazy. I guess it's I went everywhere. Joe diGenova, former U S attorney, Thanks for being with us, we'll talk to you next week. Thank you. I'm.

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"john carlin" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet

Stay Tuned with Preet

02:22 min | 8 months ago

"john carlin" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet

"We're starting from members of cafe insider. It's called cyberspace and it's hosted by my friend. Recent guest of stay tuned and renowned. Cyber National Security expert John Carlin. John led the justice. Department's National Security Division under President Obama. And prior to that served as chief of staff and senior counsel to then FBI Director Robert Mueller is currently a partner at Morrison and foerster where he chairs the firm's global risk and crisis management group. He also leads the Aspen Institute cybersecurity group John and I have teamed up to keep the country safe in our previous jobs, and now I'm happy. We're working together to keep the country informed. On, Wednesday he spoke with his successor at the Department of Justice Assistant. Attorney General John Denver's. It's a fascinating conversation that spans a wide variety of issues including the threat of civil unrest, domestic terrorism, foreign surveillance, authorities, encryption and Chinese espionage. For our takeaways from the interview and to be notified about the New Forthcoming Cyberspace podcast. Had to cafe dot com slash preet and sign up to receive a free link. That's cafe. Dot Com slash preet. Now without further delay, the first episode of Cyberspace with John Giancarlo. Featuring an exclusive interview with John Moore's. From, Cafe This is cyberspace. And I'm your host John Carlin. My guest today is John Denver's. John succeeded me is the head of the DOJ's National Security Division in February twenty eighteen. National Security Division I knew litigating division at the Justice Department in round fifty years since the creation of the Civil Rights Division and was established in the aftermath of the September eleventh attacks. It tackles a wide range of threats to our country from cybercrime in terrorism espionage, it is also responsible for surveillance warrants against foreign spies and represents the government afford the foreign intelligence surveillance court. demerge his veteran division. Having first served when it first started under President George W Bush. I'm excited. That joins US Today on this first episode of the Cyberspace Podcast for a conversation about the many threats. We.

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"john carlin" Discussed on The Dan Bongino Show

The Dan Bongino Show

03:17 min | 2 years ago

"john carlin" Discussed on The Dan Bongino Show

"From Jeff Carlson's piece in the times today. I'll get to you get to why this matters don't worry about it. In response to a question asking who was McCabe direct counterpart at the DOJ on the investigation page responded. It would have been John. It was either John Carlin or George tusks who would have been would have reached out to McCabe. Now, the staffer asking this question, you may say, okay. All right. So in other words, the investigation at the Trump they're asking Lisa page, the FBI lawyer intimately involved with one of the lead investigators in the Clinton case, I mean, literally intimately having an affair with Peter stroke, who is one of the lead investigators supervisors on the Clinton case and the anti-trump case, right? Gee is the FBI lawyer assigned to the team? This woman knows everything she has all the dirty deeds on this. She's asked a question about who is the deputy directors direct counterpart in the DOJ coordinating this attack on Trump. And what does she say? It would have been John John Carlin who would have reached out to McCabe. Now. Now now going on in the piece the congressional staffer hearing this apparently he's freaked out right away. The congressional staffers doing this particular line of questioning appeared to mitigate the information revealed by page in other words, show the staffers. Oh, John carlin's name just came up. Don't worry Alex plane. This Stanford says well numerous witnesses have confirmed to us that George Tosca a career prosecutor was in charge of day to day operation of DOJ on this investigation, and it Carlin another political folks above him had briefing, certainly so they had knowledge but didn't have input the investigation. What is going on here? Why is this congressional staffer so freaked out that the lead FBI lawyer on the case on their side? It just admitted that the guy at the DOJ running this whole anti-trump operation has John Carlin the congressional staffer I dunno. We have witnesses say otherwise it wasn't Carlin. That's not what she said. Who is John Carlin? Let's he Joe let's dig in the memory hole. You know, we could use it. We could use a Gary canoe drop. There's no like good news with Gary could we use a Garriga new dropper out of find was John carlin's job prior to being a senior level official at the department of Justice clearly now intimately involved in the case against Trump. He was a chief of staff for who cake day day guy. No, it's they're all Bob Muller. Oh, oh, what a Wiki clad is right. Like a God wrestler, so miss Gill. Feather, my fifth grade teacher, you know, Leisa bowl of cherries. Don't fall into pits. There's the pits for you, folks. So you're telling me right now just to be clear. This is where call since piece is a must read he gets a hold of pages testimony, which I hadn't seen before. And in there, we find out this FBI lawyers acknowledged that the. The guy in DOJ liaison with the FBI to run..

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"john carlin" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet

Stay Tuned with Preet

04:40 min | 2 years ago

"john carlin" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet

"Gene, I reign in attacks denial service attacks against our financial sector, and we'd seen Iran. Unleashed, malware that essentially turn computers into bricks at the sands casino because they didn't like provocative things that the head of sand casino. Shelly Idelson had said something about dropping a nuclear bomb on Iran, creating huge dust cloud. They were not amused. And again that was not you know, we weren't expecting attacks on our gaming sector. We always thought that we had to worry about things like dams and the electrical grid or finance system. But no one remembers that that hack Sony had three parts to it so one it was just as destructive attack using Mauer that turn computers into bricks in that did cause real harm and fear. Among employees at the company when he's returning computers into bricks. You just mean, rendering them useless absolutely used to such right to to type of malware that basically wipes the operating system of the computer. So you have the physical box, but it doesn't work. Okay. And they did that in the second thing. They did was steal intellectual property right in rather large amount of intellectual property against something that people usually do worry about in this space, but not why people remember the Sony hack. So what worked so affectively in the Sony hack, and the reason people remember it with the easiest thing to do to your question. Terms of capability, which was break into an Email system. Just like China did with solar world to get pricing information that here they just took emails looked for what was salacious rates and good. Rumors. Good Hollywood gossip then they used nontraditional sites to push that information out. And then they watched ironically is this was an attack that was all about being opposed essentially to the first amendment and trying to stop a movie 'cause he don't like its content. Ironically, the press the mainstream media did the damage for the North Korean regime by running endless stories about those. Emails. That's what caused the biggest harm to the brand of Sony. That's what they had to recover from. And that's why people remember the hack. So I think there's a couple of things you can learn from it one is an I wish we'd learned this lesson better. But that's the exact trade craft than we see the Russians use in the election. In sixteen words, that weaponising of information using tax that aren't against critical infrastructure, but are attacks on core. Value in twice Ecksteen is honored democracy here. It was on the first amendment in the right of free speech, but to attack a core value in second in linked to that almost all of our laws or regulations the way we were thinking about our response plan hinged around stuff. So we defined critical infrastructure in. We did it around importantly nothing which drop this. But around our financial sector around the electrical grid what we didn't focus on was attacks. That are on our. Fundamental values. What it is to be an American like, free speech or our electoral system. I think you're seeing a change now. But when we need to continue to accelerate to protect our values. So you mentioned the Russian hacks. How concerned should we be about Russian attacks in particular interference in the election in ways that are beyond what we believed to have happened in two thousand sixteen we're about Russia now is outside the election tax or one symptom of it in there, you see a regime that fundamentally fears democracy attacking not just in trying to undermine confidence not just in our electoral system. But also that Russia's increasingly a rogue nation when it comes to cyber we talked about not Petra earlier so unleashing essentially, cyber weapons of mass destruction without concern about who they may harm just like they were poisoning people on the streets of the United Kingdom is the cyber equivalent. But also. They are increasingly are blended with these criminal enterprises that are so sophisticated that they could really be a fortune five hundred company that are dedicated to nothing, but stealing information from people in companies all across the world in never really sophisticated back end where they sell that which they steal. And we're talking about really brazen groups like one case discussing the book is in fraud, we trust that was the actual motto of something that sounds like it's a meeting of the crime families. But it's all occurring online of some of the world's worst crooks at a internal site where they all shared information on how to be a better.

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"john carlin" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet

Stay Tuned with Preet

03:51 min | 2 years ago

"john carlin" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet

"Webcams to take naked pictures for extortion to using all of your devices to simultaneously send a request for information all at the. Same time something called the Biden it an army of compromised computers, and because a site get so much that information at the same time. It crashes, and that was something we've already seen in something called the Mariah Botton at that actually took part of the internet down and turned out not to be in the ferris nation state overseas or even a criminal group. But some knucklehead kids out in Canada that were mad at other people that they did their video games with can we talk about North Korea before we get to Russia, and the reason I talk about North Korea and United. I've talked about it wasn't my case. It was done out of the central district of California, ultimately, but the famous Sony hack where North Koreans were mad about particular movie broke into the Sony system, the computer system and revealed emails that were sort of embarrassing. It was not the crime of the century in the sense that, you know, hundreds of millions or billions of dollars of intellectual property was stolen like we've been talking about with the Chinese and it. Wasn't the taking over of hydroelectric dam that seems also possible in the current climate or the stealing of people's money in their Bank accounts. Which is the terrible thing. It was kind of an embarrassment and a couple of questions about that one. Is why was that such a huge deal in American? I had a theory about it. And then second what does it mean that a country that you know, is trying to develop nuclear weapons doesn't have them yet. But as otherwise as I understand it from various experts like the total computing power of exaggerating here of all sort of computers in in North Korea is a sum total of Commodore, Victoria. From years ago, and you know, we can overstate their technological abilities. And there's are from again what I understand from my time in office and otherwise about their abilities are pretty low, and they were able to cause an entire huge multinational company, great pain and panic, and then 'cause people in this country to be very worried about cyber intrusions because this was sort of, you know, it's the entertainment industry is not it's not the making of devices. I think it upset people for a particular reason, what do you think about all that? I I always think and unite participate in some, but we wore gamed out for year years. What it would look like if the rogue nation state overseas tried to attack the United States through cyber means? And we all got it wrong. Right. We we never thought it would be about a movie about a bunch of pot smokers. I actually predicted that you did. Oh, well, I didn't know anybody. I didn't tell him get glad can't prove enough. It's the only time in my career. I had to go over to the situation room. Brief the president the United States and start the briefing by trying to give a plot summary. Which did you? Did you see the movie before the heck happened? No, I saw it because of the hack and it was every morning, we'd go to meet with the attorney general in the FBI director go over the most serious threats of the day. And suddenly we had this threat coming from movie. So we all do watch it right over the Christmas holiday can your mind people the movie, it's called the interview. And it's about a bunch of pot smoking reporters who get involved in an assassination attempt on the leader of North Korea. And the leader of North Korea was not amused by the plot of that move. Yeah, I'm sure he tried to do something more damaging than even the hack. But what did you learn in overseeing the response there would they find interesting now wanted to attack the audiences all across the country and ask what was the first major destructive tack almost everyone says Sony, which I think's instructive because it was not the first destructive attack by foreign actors overseas. We had already seen..

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04:14 min | 2 years ago

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"And I remember study you might recall the details better that was brought into my office by my chief cyber person that attempted to track sort of all the nefarious cyber activity happening in any given time in the world. And there was a dip in the nefarious eyebrows. Tiffany, and our particular day, and the only thing interesting about that. And it was very significant. I remember the percentage of thirty or forty percent less under particular day. And it turned out that was a Chinese national holiday. It doesn't take rocket science to to do that graph are the Chinese the worst backing up because you reminding of another part of that case that we brought the first game against the People's Liberation Army. Was we put in attachment on the case that showed this was actively. That's that peaked around a nine AM stayed high from nine AM to noon, apparently, they take a lunch break decrease slightly from twelve to one Beijing time increased again from one to sixty overnight and on Chinese holidays. I think both of us is former prosecutors will call that great circumstantial evidence as to who did it. But it also shows again that this was the day job of the second largest military in the world. There's no way private companies are going to be able to defend themselves against that type of resources in. We shouldn't blame them when they successfully get into a private company. Instead, it's gotta be the responsibility of the government to try to send a strong message that that's not an acceptable way. To use your military or intelligence, so the Chinese are the worst. I don't think the Chinese are are the worst though in it depends on how you describe. We'll talk about four major adversaries in cyberspace, Russia, North Korea, Iran and China, and they'll have different attributes. So when it comes to economic, espionage and intellectual property theft by volume in capability, I would say China is the worst or does the most economic would you say that there with respect to economic damage the worst by far worst in terms of like theft of intellectual property that could be used by viable companies against you. That threat is really a Chinese threat. You know, an actor like Russia has been doing things that cause indiscriminate damaged company. So it's it's not giving them financial game. It's just causing harm in. So I think of a threat like a ransom worm not Tetra that was unleashed against Ukraine in spread. All around the world causing five hundred million dollars worth of damage to Maersk shipping alone. Three hundred million dollars worth of damage to FedEx and other companies around the world that type of disruptive activity could have been even worse. And in some ways is a greater immediate threat because both with Russia and North Korea who unleashed a similar ransom worm called one cry. They seem to not care about causing indiscriminate damage, whereas China's trying to steal strategically, but ultimately compete in the same economic system. They're being they're being utilitarian, and they're trying to help their own companies more question about China before we move onto these other countries how much concern should average consumers separate apart from the big corporate concerns, if their Chinese manufacturers who were involved in the making of any product, particularly chronic product that they are doing the various things in the supply chain there by putting in. Back doors. So they can steal information into a recording devices and surveillance type techniques into products that people have in their homes on a regular basis is that outlandish or is that happening. No, it's not outlandish. I get it is happening. You're seeing that as a top concern of government officials now that the supply chain is being corrupted. Now that said there's no internet connected system that saved from a dedicated adversary who wants to get in technology to doesn't exist in government or in the private sector. So when you're determining how much of a threat there is against you. It's how much does anyone care about you? I'd be more worried about the very sophisticated organized criminal enterprises that have risen up. That's where we're seeing people's home devices get compromised, sometimes from things ranging from using.

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03:59 min | 2 years ago

"john carlin" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet

"They'd set up a visual. So you could see China going into places like universities hopping from the universities into American companies. And then we were literally watching visual representation of billions of dollars worth of trade secrets intellectual property flowing outside of the United States. And I think that's what caused the former director of the national security agency at the time Keith Alexander to call it the largest transfer of wealth in human history. So I think you're right when you came on in two thousand nine the change was starting to take place, but to say, hey, if this is what we're seeing on the intelligence side. We gotta start being able to talk about this publicly, and it wasn't until twenty. I think eleven going into twenty twelve that has a public official. We were allowed to say that China was committing economic espionage through cyber naval means on this vast scale. So people could understand the urgency of the threat that we were facing your car push you on that for second. Because I remember thinking in two thousand nine and ten that we weren't talking as much about China as we should. And I get the part of that was a function of some of this being on the other side of the wall, you know, the classified wall, but it seems to me that a lot of people who are in business an industry knew that the Chinese were stealing intellectual property, and there are political reasons why people may not have wanted to blame the Chinese also financial reasons, and I had somebody wants that to me about CEOs who signed to do business in China that they understood, you know, you go to China, and you open up some kind of plant, and you could make four billion dollars. Let's say pathetically from this new business. You've started in China. And you knew that the. Chinese were engaging in as part of their great transfer of wealth to themselves intellectual property theft to a huge degree, and they were taking maybe siphoning off in terms of value two billion dollars. You would think that someone would get very mad about that. But you know, what they're still making two billion can seem to me that there was not a lot of will to call out the Chinese not just that some of it was behind that wall. One of the stories that tell the book was going to meet with general counsel who executive point of view, and they said, and they they were actually somewhat frustrated by it, but they they had actually done a study that showed. So they projected out, you know, there are well run company. They projected out here's the period of time. We're going to remain in the black in China. So we're going to be making profits. But we can see we can foresee five ten years out. There's going to be a total flip will be way in the red, and because they stolen our intellectual property will be able to produce this in country that it's going to devastate. Our business into the future. But right now, we don't want you to take any action. It was one of the more frustrating conversations, I had as government official short term profit thing. Yeah in, but I do think it's linked just to go back to what we were keeping private. They knew there was a risk. But what they weren't seeing was the government. The Chinese government driven strategy were tactically part of that strategy was stealing this intellectual property or trade secrets, but that their long-term plan, and now people refer to it as the made in China twenty twenty five plan, which is public with not to do continue to do business competitively with companies overseas, but was to create the capacity in house, and then crush every other company in the world. So that there was no competition. Right. We've been talking a little bit abstractly give us an example or two if you can of what the Chinese would do. And what the consequence was in a concrete. Way. Yes. So as we were doing this transformation in government. So we opened the door. We watch that great intelligence via of the information flowing out. And then we decided that this can't stand. What can we do to change it? And that led to the first case of its kind the indictment of five members of the People's Liberation Army..

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04:06 min | 2 years ago

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"Conflict day in day out it's causing real harm to real victims. And just like the Cold War. It's going to require concerted leadership across the western world and particularly from America to confront our adversaries in war. That's going to require both winning the battle on whose values should prevail. But also spending the resources technically and otherwise to ensure that our businesses our society is safe from what is already day-to-day combat. That's occurring. So when you're comparing the Cold War to the cyber threat to talk about is the code war is a part of what's happening now also an arms race like there was in the Cold War. It's not directly analogous. But there are some. Lessons that you can reply. So like parts of the Cold War. There are types of technology that we need to win. So I think about five G, for instance, this is the new way that our cities our cars are drones and the internet of things is going to be able to connect is going to be based on this wireless. Standard five G and who controls that standard. What values lie behind? It are going to be critical to our safety going forward. I talk a little bit about how we got to this point. Not just how we got to the point where they're sort of outright cyber-attacks nation states sponsoring against the United States and other countries against each other. But belatedly, how we got to the point where people at the top of government care so much about this. I don't know what your experience has been both at the FBI and then at the department of Justice. But when I began as you attorney, and you and I have been a lot of time talking about cyber and overseeing. Cyber cases, the when I began in August of two thousand nine the level of attention that our government was paying to the cyber threat was I think beginning to increase, but it wasn't that high. My recollection is that in New York. There's only one squad of the FBI that was focused on cyber and you had a lot of swans over focused on because the no straight new talion organized crime. And then over the course of the next five six seven years in our office who went from sort of one person who's expert on all this stuff to having more than ten and the cyber squads began to proliferate at the FBI both in New York and around the country and lots of other US attorney's offices gained expertise in this. You started having people as high up as the Treasury Secretary who usually didn't get involved in these things not just the FBI director. And also, the president of the United States talking about cyber explain how you think the government's response has changed over time. And how aware we are of the threat, even if we're not fully prepared for it. So I was. Align prosecutor, doing computer hacking, intellectual property cases in specializing them and as late as CEO six a two thousand six going into two thousand seven I would work with the squad at the FBI and worked with the criminal squad. And there was a lot to do on the criminal side of the house. But there was another squad and intelligence go that was behind a lack secured compartment the door. And I didn't had no idea what was going on behind that door occasionally one of the agents would switch squads, and they just disappeared. Never to be seen again wreck. Lou where they what they were up to you a key to the door. They know keyed gnocchi for me Xs, I'm trying to remember I think it required a handprint hampered in a code. Neither of which my hand did not work did not have the code. But that changed eventually it did change eventually. So after being on the line. I ended up I was coordinating the program nationally in seven, and I still did not have access to that door. So it wasn't really till. I went over to the then director of. Of the FBI Bob Muller when he was relatively anonymous compared to his current gig that I the door opened, and I was given access to what was going on and the intelligence side of the house, and there was a secured facility where we could watch on a Jumbotron screen in real time..

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02:55 min | 2 years ago

"john carlin" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet

"Really takes runs with. So my question is what do you think is impacted the most after his presidency or after he leaves office? Do you think it's the presidency itself or the way American society do use the fourth estate, and what we know is truth? Thanks pre. And I'll stay tuned. That. Thank you question. Do. I know you you seem very familiar with me anyway that that's a very broad question. And you know, I don't know that we know the answer that yet we're not even halfway through the administration the things that have upset. Lots of people deeply myself included are not any particular policy prescriptions. And he's had a lot of bad ones. Not any particular laws that he's proposed necessarily whether they get pass or don't get past because you can undo those things I think the unleashing of hatred. The playing to people who want to divide us undermining faith and confidence and institutions all of which deserve scrutiny and Alba deserve to be assessed and criticised robustly that includes the press that includes the courts that includes the Justice department that includes the FBI, but when you do it in a cynical way based only on whether that institution organization or human is on your side or not in your side and completely divorced from principle. I think that causes a corrosive effect on how lots. Lots of people see the country. You know that that simple phrase fake news. He doesn't have to take a particular action against a media organization, or even if he does if you if you take away the press pass of Jim Mukasa of CNN or someone else, again, those are passing things what is not a passing thing is to have coined a phrase that is now used in lots of other places, including by despots who imprison and do worse things to journalists and they get away with it because they can cite the leader of the free world. So that's a soft sort of amorphous thing to complain about. But it's as important as anything else because it goes to values, and I think I think there's been an undermining of values that is accelerated in a way under this president that worries me a lot. I have a lot of other things I could say about that. But, but that's my main concern, and that's hard to undo. My guest this week is John Carlin. He's the author of a new book dawn of a code war, America's battle against Russia, China and the rising global cyberthreat he was the assistant attorney general for the national security division at the department of Justice during President Obama's second term. He also served as chief of staff and senior counsel to then FBI director Robert Muller from two thousand nine to two thousand eleven now he's a partner at Morrison Foerster and leads the cybersecurity group at the Aspen institute. He's with me from his office in DC about China's digital attacks on commerce Russia's digital attacks on elections. And what the cyber threat means for all of us, one quick note. This interview was recorded before J unsealed significant state sponsored cyber charges against to Chinese nationals. That's coming up. Stay tuned..

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"john carlin" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet

Stay Tuned with Preet

03:28 min | 2 years ago

"john carlin" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet

"Hi, Jeff from national got a couple of questions for you. I. It is are you concerned that how Democrats can run effective investigations when they take power in January second would be would it be unusual to bring in an outside investigator or prosecutor to lead investigation. And then Thirdly, would it be in the interest of Democrats to assign a prosecutor lead committee question instead of the haphazard political grandstanding, I expect we'll see a last quick question. Would you want the job take care and thank you for all your hard work? Jeff, thanks for the question. I think that's really an important query for everyone as we get into twenty nineteen. And you know, I have concerns as you always do when people who are elected officials who are by definition politicians run investigations because they are by nature, and by sort of the intent to the founders bound up with politics. Unlike the OJ that I used to do and tens of thousand. People still do which is to be completely a political. If you are a an avowed democrat or an avowed Republican it's much more difficult to separate out politics, but you can still run affective investigations that can get bipartisan support and that can save the country from waste fraud and abuse and can expose wrongdoing in can cause reforms to be taken in whatever industry or agency that used to search around in. So the the three principal chairman, you're gonna be hearing a lot about and from our Adam Schiff at intelligence, Jerry, Nadler, unconditionally and Elijah Cummings at house government oversight. And there may also be others like Maxine Waters on financial services. I think there have been letters that have already been sent to Peres agencies suggesting that they want answers to particular questions, or they want old questions answered that never have been answered or that they're opening up new lines of inquiry, Adam Schiff in particular, I think of someone to watch and I'm gonna show my bias here. And I mean, no offense in disparagement to the other chairs who are taking the gavel. But. Adam Schiff, I think has a mild advantage or maybe not so mild over various of the other chairman who are going to be leading investigations and oversight in that his used to be an assistant US attorney. And so he has tried cases. He is examined people. He is cross examined people. He is poured through documents himself, then he didn't apolitical way when he was assistant US attorney. And from what I've seen from how he speaks about things. He's still fairly common measure, you doesn't. I don't think it'd be pounding the gavel in a way that will break anyone's drums, but he'll be thoughtful meticulous. So I look forward to seeing what he has on his plate coming up one thing. People have to be careful about if you're undertaking. These investigations you have to pick your spots. You know, I had a massive operation of two hundred some odd assistant US attorneys, and so we could delve into money laundering, public corruption gang activity terrorism Bank fraud, you name, it we had resources and on top of that. We had, you know, fairly large resources in connection with our partners at the FBI or the NYPD. You're the DA. Even a chairman of a house committee has pretty limited. Sources you'll have a small staff of folks, they can't really rely on outside law enforcement agencies. Right. So they can't do everything they can do some things and they can do them pretty well. But based on my experience running investigation for the Senate Judiciary committee into a politicization at the Justice department back in two thousand seven if you pick your spots, you're up front about what you're asking for you make decisions about what you make public in an appropriate way,.

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"john carlin" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Podcast

02:27 min | 2 years ago

"john carlin" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

"And we put an attachment to show what that threat is in what it was those pill members this activity started nine in the morning. Beijing time that get up put the uniform on go to work hands on keyboard? Start hacking into US companies to steal money from the sensually. And then they took a slight break from noon to one lunch break activity increased again decreased overnight and on Chinese holidays. That's both the prosecutor may would call that circumstantial evidence as to who did it, but also chose this really is the military's day job until we change the behavior. And then Lastly, I fundamentally believe we can change the behavior. This is a cost benefit analysis. And when we did nothing, of course, it was a good way instead of spending funds on research. Development. It was easier to steal it. Why not it's completely cost-free? Can you imagine what the national security agency could do and other of our professionals if as part of their mission did not matter if they got caught that's crazy way to try to change behavior in the world. And I'll say we thought this was the beginning and has been the beginning of new approach. I was surprised by how much of a difference one case that case. And then there's another case we talk about in the book that has really not been talked about before. Which is the case of sue been China new, and we were taking all this criticism. And we weren't going to say publicly because we want it didn't interfere with the case that this is just name and shame. You're never going to actually put people in jail. But China new that we had there was a case we had brought an individual named sue Ben and Canada have been arrested pursuant to US charges for conspiracy to hack into Boeing and other. Companies so China knew there were real teeth and real criminal charges. In fact, they tried to pressure Canada to release him Kansas state, strong, extradite him. And he's done real jail time. I think that case plus sue Ben, plus the president raising it repeatedly diplomatically and the new executive order sanctions, which we can talk with a little bit more convinced China that the cost was getting too high and lead to a breakthrough were president. She agreed that you shouldn't use your military intelligence agencies to target private companies for your private financial gain. And that.

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"john carlin" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Podcast

02:01 min | 2 years ago

"john carlin" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

"Go onto the dark web today in literally could just give you the site, and you could go on right now, you can go to site that looks just like Amazon, and when I say, it looks just like Amazon, I mean, it's got five star reviews. And so you can say I wanna buy stolen credit card numbers. And they'll be review that says I've bought from this crook before and the vast percentage of these work. He's a great crook. And then the ones I always love they'll be a one star review. And it'll say I bought from this crook. And he's not trustworthy. And you're like, what did you expect your your? Amazon for criminals using undercover FBI, which is a good way to deter. But I in fact, in one of these cases, a great Justice case that was brought in the last year the name of the group was literally in fraud, we trust that was gone. And you had to sign up. So I like the pairing of the word fraud on the and the word trust never know. And I think partly in terms of different tactics. Just like we have with other criminal enterprises by undermining that trust increasing the degree of difficulty showing that we do take downs. It makes it harder. And it will have less of a scale problem that we have now in as you neck down the scale, then it becomes also easier and easier to apply resources, we've had other seemingly intractable criminal problems were reviews that method before and it doesn't happen immediately. But you end up seeing a sharp reduction in crime where links with the nation state problem though, and we'll go back to that idea of the credit card thief is let's use a case. Like, the Yahoo case there was an individual where he was on the top ten most wanted list by the FBI for credit card fraud, and we tried to get cooperation from Russian law enforcement. Just like we get with child pornography? In other cases, that really have nothing to do with nation state disputes. But everyone agrees we thought that crime certain types of crime or bad. So they asked hey, can you help us rest him?.

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"john carlin" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Podcast

03:59 min | 2 years ago

"john carlin" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

"Responses diplomatic in when it comes to that sharing and that transformation we are not where we need to be. So is it fair to say that the defining feature of the full blown code war. Is that it hybridize with other national security threats that it requires net. Speed communications within the US federal government between agencies and components between the US government components and foreign components and between all of those components and the private sector. Yes, I think that is fair to say and look for a long period of times part of the story. I know you've cover before when we tell but inside the Justice department. You know, when I was align computer hacking prosecutor I worked with a great squad at the FBI, but we just did criminal cases. There was another squad behind the lock secure compartment door that didn't. Tell casually agent which which glads poof, they disappeared never to be seen again. And when I even when I coordinated that program nationally on the criminal side at the computer crime and intellectual property section. We still were not seeing what was occurring on the intelligence side. It wasn't until I went to work for Bob Muller. Who is then relatively anonymous in merely the director of the FBI that the door opened, and I was able to see what was going on on the intelligence side. And we didn't change approaches. And what I saw by the way was was horrifying, right? I saw it was great intelligence. The giant Jumbotron street screen, and you could watch in real time as China in particular would happen the places like universities, go from the university into companies. And then we watched what Keith Alexander former head of the national Kurdi agency called the largest transfer of wealth in human history. We watched and had great refuse in face. When I say watch really watching. Billions and billions of dollars of intellectual property trade secrets flow out of the United States. And so we were tasked with watching isn't good enough. That's not strategic success. It comes from understandable mindset. I mean for years that was the approach when you were doing counter until espionage operations because what you are seeing was I think it is small enough scale that you could map out operatives inside the United States and for years on end, maybe forever. You wouldn't disrupt because that might make it harder to find where they spy network tried to penetrate next. Instead, you would wait watch pass them fake information. And it was part of a much slower speed cat-and-mouse game important, but a different way of tackling it that mindset was still there. But it was totally inap- available. When it came to the scale that we were seeing with cyber and the fact that it was causing real damage to real companies now. Bankrupting people putting people out of work. It had consequence which meant we need to get better at disrupting it. And when you think about where we are today. It's still really recent that we switched to taking that attribution that we were doing out of the shadows. Because we are doing a much better job of it than people knew. And and having a new strategy where you figure out who did it. But then you make it public and impose consequence and it wasn't until twenty fourteen. We brought the first case of its kind. So I'm going to get to that. But there's a huge amount in here that I wanna unpack. Because there's a lot of threads in the things you just said, and I want us to try to untangle them. So first of all you're describing that the Intel is much better than people think it is. And I want to I want just want to home in on that for a sec. It is pretty common to talk about an attribution problem. You have argued in the past and we've seen some. Pretty.

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"john carlin" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Podcast

02:24 min | 2 years ago

"john carlin" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

"The Justice department to not bring a prosecution for political purposes or vice versa your successor in that role as head of the national. Security division is this somebody you look at it and say, this is in the bipartisan tradition of leadership of that department has ensured the average listener of this podcast think whatever's going on at the you know between Matt Whitaker and and the president. But with the Muller investigation, the national security division of the Justice department is in good hands both at the career level, which you've already said and at the political level. Yes, the assistant attorney general now charge in Nashville division. John Moore's is someone known for a long time dating back to law school and worked with when I was at the FBI, and he served in the national security division under one of those other Muller proteges can Wayne Stein. And he is someone who is dedicated to protecting the national security interests of the United States and not political. And if you. Look at the leadership below that of the national security division. It has stayed almost entirely in place as it should be. And we've seen this. This'll be the third administration now where there's been a continuity because national security professionals are not driven by party. Let's talk about Bob Muller who shows up periodically throughout your book. You were his chief of staff, and you know, he has gone on to play a role very different from the role in which you served under him. How do you read from having worked very closely with him? What is your read on the state of play with with respect to the investigation? You'll Ben easy. Good example, and tell some stories about it in the in the book of not just a person who does his job with extraordinary. Competence. And when you meet him and work with him day in and day out. He someone he seems like he's sprang from the pages of history book. He someone who's utterly dedicated to the mission at hand to try.

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"john carlin" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Podcast

04:13 min | 2 years ago

"john carlin" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

"John I'm excited to talk to you about dawn of the code war. But before we turn to that. I would be remiss if I didn't start your by your one of two people to my knowledge who has both run the national security division of jets of the Justice department and served as chief. Of staff to Bob Muller. I'll do a quick correction because I believe there are three Ken, Wayne, Stein, Lisa Monaco, and I also served as both chief staff to director Muller and head of NASCAR you to this. You know, I forgot that can had also served as chief of staff to Bob Muller so fair enough. So you still it's still a very small group of people. And I wanna ask you first of all about the mood in your former division at Justice. You must be in touch with a lot of people. It's a difficult time for the Justice varmints are how're people holding up. It's a fantastic group of prosecutors who are motivated by mission like Muller himself. And so I think there's a lot of right now discord between between parties, but the folks in that division are focused on those who wanna harm us as Americans. So when you get up in the morning and your job is to. To protect innocent civilians from being killed in terrorist attacks, and you know, the stakes of getting that right? You stay motivated. And similarly there was an initiative we could talk about a little bit more later that really springs from much of what we talk about in the book in terms of the threat, we've been seeing front in cyberspace from China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, and you look back about two weeks ago now to the initiative that the Justice department announced to crack down on Chinese economic, espionage until the behavior changes. That's the sort of threat that gets those prosecutors and trial turns up in the morning. But surely amidst the business as usual, which is what you're describing in the counters counter-terrorism and the counter Intel space, it is not business completely as usual when the president is, you know, publicly. Undermining the mission in important respects. And I'm you know. I'm curious what the what the normally the intersection between the work of of of the division, and the sort of public politics, except when you have like Edward Snowden like events is pretty near zero. And now it can't be near zero because you have the president out there publicly commenting on all kinds of pending matters. And so like, I'm just interested. What does it do? Yeah. People are still motivated get up in the morning do their jobs, but it can't have no effect on the way. People think about people think about what they're doing every day. Yeah. Let's divide it into two things. So one are the prosecutors and trial attorneys the law enforcement agents at the FBI Intel analysts are they motivated and going to do their job. No matter what type of crazy talk. There is in the rest of Washington. Yes. I believe that they are. But that's different than. Than the attacks on our institutions, and the undermining of public confidence in those institutions undermining of public confidence in this institutions can affect your ability to develop cooperators witnesses foreign partnerships, and ultimately, it's a strength of our country. And one of the reasons why our countries both envied and feared by third -tarian countries is because we've been able to carve out a political institutions of the department of Justice is the envy of the world for that reason. So just like those agents and prosecutors are motivated to protect us from terrorists. And those who do as harm we need people on both party in both parties of good conscience to stand up and say, it is utterly inappropriate to direct..

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"john carlin" Discussed on KBOI 670AM

KBOI 670AM

01:56 min | 3 years ago

"john carlin" Discussed on KBOI 670AM

"One of the guys well let's walk through the procedure quickly the information goes through the fbi chain of command so if i want to spy on you and i believe you are a terrorist or a foreign agent if i want to spy on you whatever joey bag thrown it's out there wherever it is i have to produce information that information is vetted to multiple chains fbi field office supervisors fbi headquarters fbi attorneys there are multiple layers to ensure that the information i give on you joey bag of doughnuts is legit and it's not garbage that way we don't just go spying on people with crap information but not only is there a multi tiered level of information processing within the fbi to ensure the veracity and authenticity of the information used to spy on the trump team it also goes over into the doj the department of justice for you liberals out there have a tough time at this stuff it goes over to the doj and multiple people departments within the department of justice will look at that information as well but one of the critical departments that's in the final sign off stage this information before it's presented to a court to spy on americans is the department of justice national security division because the department of justice national security division at the time a lot of this was going on was run by a guy named john carlin who is john carlin john carlin was bob muller chief of staff folks muller at best is conflicted here he clearly knows these people one of the guys.

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"john carlin" Discussed on KDWN 720AM

KDWN 720AM

02:42 min | 3 years ago

"john carlin" Discussed on KDWN 720AM

"Time a lot of this was going on was run by a guy named john carlin who is john carlin john carlin was bob muller chief of staff folks muller at best is conflicted here he clearly knows these people what if the guys responsible for vetting the information used to disingenuously spy on what now appear to be innocent americans who are members on the trump team one of the key figures in this operation was bob muller's former chief of staff let me be clear folks because i don't do it the liberals do i don't have evidence nor would i say that there's absolute ranked corruption here yet i don't i'm not gonna say that what i am going to say he was at a minimum at a minimum this is a destructive and devastating conflict of interest and if anybody had an incentive to make that go away that broken information vetting process that ended ended in the doj with one of moore's mulas friends buddies former coworkers if anybody had a conflict it was i was muller but nobody seems to care about that because the muller investigation is doing exactly what the muller investigation was intended to do that is a smoke grenade so you can't see what went on behind the scenes with the spying operation now and if they could break in a minute but i wanna be i want to get this out before the break is it's important the procedure for vetting this information was drawn up in the early two thousands follow me don't lose me this is key stuff after nine eleven the procedure to use the fis accord and get information into the pfizer court the procedure there had to be some formalization of it there was a person who had some input into how this process was going to work let me read you a piece by cheryl atkinson's a really good piece she put out a little while ago little quote from this the fbi director at the time talking about the procedure for finding information the fbi director at the time also ordered that any issue as to whether a pfizer application was factually sufficient wants to be brought to his attention personally emphasis mine who was the director of the fbi when all this careful work was done bob muller bob muller was the fbi director as they were drawing up these procedures.

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