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Episode 69 | A Little Bit Gay

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2:25:59 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 69 | A Little Bit Gay

"Yeah, I mean so. Yeah, and that that's when like for me. In my opinion, that's where the argument start is okay. This is what was doing to put these people where they supposed to be versus nothing being done to help these people out, and they both went through. They both do something terrible, right? If I agree with I'm a black person I'd say my boss has power and. He has power. Because? His his his family has power. He came into his power. And then I get fired for that is exercising of his power. And then his obvious. Is the obvious exercising of your power yet, and it is also hypocritical because. The whole point of this was to. Say How bad one group hasn't yet? You are inflicting badness on the people. You were victims or the neighborhood you gentrify or the record companies three sixty days that you signed artists in and then profit for the rest of your life on records. You know right that was that was black hits. There are true that people must acknowledge, and you cannot say those truths at work for Vanegas. That's that's that's the way here's. A mistake was like he shouldn't have been working for. ME. showed me like hey, acquit. You quitting. I'M GONNA do this pocket. podcast specific episodes they comes back. Be like. Hey, that's why John Belk. Sorry my bad. Job Get. Yeah I mean, but imagine imagine not thinking that way while you sitting on your couch, drinking a Miller lite, and then a movie come on and say Weinstein Company on it. I'm Bill Goldberg. Shit but you. You know what come on. Jewish names. Thinker. Goldberg. Jewish Bill Goldberg. By the same. Movie, He has got to be my problem. All Protestants among the Protestant the. US another episode of New podcast. Episodes sixty nine sixty nine WH- Yup. Sixty, nine freaky Stephen. Burn is regaining. Bought a boy lands back for another one one of the most one of. The mindset I admire. I admire this man's brain. Thrill I really do. Of the way last things last one people Steve you'll kill me when I get into well fuck. No, but I'm just kidding, but last is one of the people that like I feel like if I disagree with him then I'm wrong. Talking about. Like somebody who's just like you know I know that and they can go into heaven. Low, Energy. Very, pure man very pure I wanna be like you just can't I got too much hate Mugla, he got. No negative. No No, no, we hate things, but it just a just a energy. Energy of love. Jealousy audacious from love. Yes. Photos. Some beautiful sisters. That's not good. That's how Nessa. Was the woman who just got killed in the Military Vanessa Alvarez I. Think was the name. H SOMEWHAT Yeah she got, she got martyred. She showed the do is talk. She showed a picture like some chicks thought thinking that was cool, and then she was like almost tell. We'll tell the officer he was sleeping with the commanding officers chased Oh my. He was like showing her picture huge like I'm GonNa tell him so he? Hit her would it. Her Hammer stabbed her death. They dismembered her body. Put in a shallow grave. The military knew about it for a good amount of time. We're going to have more about they found more bodies students. They found bodies. They found bodies looking for us. They found three formal bodies looking for us. Girl. The evil is worldly. Say Oh, my gosh man! Nobody's like lands. Up Man, No you haven't. Have A. Magnetic give me a hug. My hands. You see I would know. Why? I used to be the big in the group Bro. I used to be twenty. Bench and three twenty five and The. Big Dog. I had oh my God. We talk about the fashion of what years two thousand and seven eight maybe. Rose soldier boy in his whole watching to see? Some white sunglasses spread lands and love on the other not. been that. Sorry. Known issue was I was trying to be cool. So whatever y'all did and you liked like I was a pretend sneaker. Hey, you know what I mean by really expensive shoes is because I know. My NIGGA IS GONNA. Give respect, but it'd be mad. 'cause like I. Can really raw I got these Easter eggs like lime green, and it's not Easter. Widows called fucking. Sweet whatever it was, it was a waste of money. They in my closet to this day. The worst like five hundred dollars of Jesus Christ something like a war I. Wouldn't it this? How much issues 'cause? Like I said I pretended to be back back in them days like one sixty one eighty. Two hundred dollars. To Two thousand five hundred twenty okay. Whose lands which was last. With those, but those black. Got H.. U. S. thing like he just got out. Oh, my God. Boom like he just got up with them. How tebow's both? I was like whatever. Like pants shorts. y'All chose. allegory! Oh my gosh. Look. At her. Talk everybody thinks I'm. Hilarious Hey. Did time. Win Win School. Squeeze a great. College Boys, but yes, I have beat up. I mean we was in college that was like fighting days like local negative. Wha-, what makes what makes misprint love? Get violent. I mean college. It was because my home scandal by. Twelve. Thirteen fourteen years ago. Okay, you changed your hair. Yeah Okay Highschool fights me. My brother beat up a white dude because he said he'd hang my brother. We had that happened in middle? School Anthony Lynn. Up What's up man we have. We got in push match from Nick. Zone Egg on neither one of US wanted to fight Lanka. I WANNA to get in. So last week. He was upset that we didn't get to the. Gilly. Yeah Man Yeah. Man, now my excitement! No off on the topic I was so mad. I wanted to come in here early last week and do it again. 'cause like now it's. GotTa go back in. What the now it's now! It's kind of I won't say it's water under the bridge, but let me ask you question. Your boss. Just like say like. Black jokes at nigger something in public, or you know whatever he makes he makes he says something. What would you do about it? I feel like an rhetorical, because honestly you don't know what you would do. So Dave Portnoy the president, El Presidente from Barstool. Sports had a whole bunch of races. and. Air quotes jokes that that he you know came out, and and and say whatever said Nigga three time and call Colin Kaepernick tears. Yes, yes, that's exactly what he did and You know he's got black people on staff. You know my brother works with them. What was your brother on it episode? He's the podcast. He the two bigs. That's doll. That was his podcast. Oh Shit well. Let me not say anything. They trying to get beat up. No I'm a I'm a good source. This this podcast will turn into that though hey. Is Messed up. This is good. I'm glad I'm. So I'm glad you who love and I'm not. GonNa let I'm upset with your brother. I listened to that so called nigger now it's getting extremely real assumption is now. It's GonNa get extremely whether it's. This was he didn't come up with the headline. Keep. This was the the podcasts from Barstool Sports. all of the minority podcast coming together to basically. I guess talk about what happened with with Wood. They've bored. No I'll listen to this expecting every single one of them to quit by the end of the episode If you're going to address it this way then. I mean I guess him in his pockets. I don't know I I I'm not sure like, but I I thought that it was I thought it was going to be a lot more than what it really was. I hate to say it. I was extremely disappointed because it didn't sound like a bunch of mad madness. It sounded like a bunch of sadness Okay And they were just extremely disappointed in and. Like seemed like they were like. Like like Miss Directed Kinda like well man I. Don't know what to do quit. If, you gotta you got as Barstool deal. You can get you another deals I. Feel about it, quit. At the same time though. I understand you know because listening to it I hate to said. But I wasn't I wasn't entirely entertained by the way that they were able to have conversations and stuff like that I mean. Who Am I to say that these guys are far beyond where we are as far as you know building a podcast bill, noddy and things like that, but at the same time I felt like. They could've brought with with. With them, having that that whole barstool thing and all that kind of stuff, something, strong bar, pseudonym, something John and audience it him. This would be the platform to hear like about black people talking about. Dave Portnoy's today what he did and went at it like that. Portnoy had that whole fiasco with the call. Her Daddy Girls and that shit was way more entertaining than they should have been in that Dave Portnoy said that his he. He pretty much expects his employees to come out and say whatever he gave the girls he told. The girls y'all free to say whatever you want to your side of the story. Please tell it you know and they did and. Even with Oprah who. Alexandria the way she addressed everything man, it was so much more. You can tell she wasn't pulling any punches, but what she was saying. When you get to the two bigs in in and the other. Guests, that they had on the show man. It was pulling punches like a motherfucker and I was very disappointed. I was very disappointed. Did you hear? About Cassi song about I heard about. Him San Diego Whatever I didn't listen to this show that was, so they had so there was a show. Yeah, no, my brother is the producer for two bigs pocket. Okay? He and he's also one of the personnel on their him and Willie snead is Disney Guy And this goes back to what I was talking about. Freedom of speech on the job. Right, so it was like. He can quit and then say their grievances, but if they're going to say their grievances, while they work for the the deal, or for while they work for that podcast, they're not gonna get real damaged, and I could go into about my brother, but I would like to have talked to him in as him what he is comfortable with divulging and not comfortable with voting's. We had an extensive compensates conversation about it and. He is experiencing. I feel like I can say with confidence. pushback from plenty of people, not just on twitter within Barstool. Okay I like to bring this to your attention. You all know that this is their emblem, the Barstool with three legs and surrounded by stars as you all know that also. The three percenters and this is their logo. Shit three percent huddle. Where's it three percent logo? Is that am Barstools logo. Is that pretty much the same exactly the same disease, so there's it's skirt. It's been in plain sight. Brandon knew where he was getting into. My brother knew what he was getting into. When he came to their, he already knew they content. They was like what they would kind of mentality. Founded that network, and the reason why it's getting so big because these. White nationalist fringe groups are coming out and they're like. Hey, guys, standing on what he says we we support the guys like. You know Barstool was say they can get into the Barstool. Do not can't Marcel Marceau deal another I mean yeah, but it's like A. Real. Young agree. It's going to take a pay cut. Yeah, I mean and integrity year I. Mean I don't know my brother's situations different. Go Him, but if you're big enough, you don't think like. The crowd will follow them. Big Enough. Brother. WHO's big enough? All who who's WHO's WHO's big enough to what are you ask like who is big enough to leave and take their like if Willis Ni just left shit, if Brandon, my brother, just laugh. Who are y'all like? y'All mikey bubbling. John is going to keep up with him. You know he was on joy. Taylor's maybe I'm crazy joint like he always has kind of celebrity, and he was hoping to build up his audience with this barstools right right and then move on so like. You can't just quit I. mean some of them can't some of them, can you? Just didn't know how to fan base like to me as a fan like like. I'm a big Fan. Joe And podcast so. They went off the platforms and went strictly to spotify. saw followed them. spotify signed up fun. Even found on a couple of months ago, I didn't have to sign up. In my like, how do you mind getting? Fuck with Joe. Wright joined listening it twice a week, so. That's what I'm saying like like a fans for like Patriotic Patriots Digital! Any! Anything I feel like podcast such a new thing. It's such a startup thing that like you don't know what you want to fall into. Just because you fell into the first thing that you did doesn't mean you don't have any opportunities afternoon using I'm saying so, but at the same time. I understand the sense of Amen I I'm lucky to be here and that mentality. If you thinking that way like, Hey I'm I'm lucky I got here. My my boss is a fucking jerk. and I'm just going to deal with it But what I'm saying though is Dave. Portnoy has history saying hey. I don't give a fuck. What the people who work for me say about me. You know that going into this this. This happened right after this happened right after the call, her daddy thing so every and I'm sure they would them being employees. They well aware of You have to know that like yeah. I got the I have the ability to come out and speak my mind and crew of extent, though that's that's that's the illusion of American racism. Though it's like hey, you got freedom of speech. And then we knocked door. 'cause you say us going blank, blank blank blank blank, and you know now you under federal investigations like it don't work. That example is extreme. It's as what happens all the time. No, okay, so let let me tell you. Let me put it this way if I'm. I'm put myself in a situation I won't to kind of think of the same thing while I'm while I'm explaining this. Okay? If I if I'm a Barstool podcast employees right and I see what just happened with the call, her daddy girls and I hear Dave say hey, you work for me. Voice your opinion about me. I don't care. He's I'm worth one hundred million dollars when he more than hundred million dollars I don't care what you say about me. You know what I'm saying. I'm the. Virtual, okay so I hear I see that situation weeks later. Negative negative negative Colin Kaepernick's terrorist. Are we're gonNA, come together. We're GONNA put a show together I. Just heard him say Hey. Me Out Then I'm going to do that and take the risk of being fired. I'm going to do that and if I'm fired well. I was looking for a job when I found this one. Stop. You'll be thinking in the back of your head. You would have it in your head like I. Don't know you everything on the Mugger. Permission broke even with permission even with permission. Even go as hard as you would. You, not we. They didn't go hard at all. which brother episodes? Yes, he yes know which one it was, but none of them was going out for me. I remember how he sent it to me before they put it out. Would you do shaggy-haired I mean? People any no is levels to this game which we're GONNA. Talk about when we go into politics like it's a game monopoly game, and like there's different levels, and you have to sacrifice certain integrity or integral parts of yourself to actually succeed in the game so. it's all for the individual to say what they was aquifers. Are you familiar with million dollars game? We'll get I'M GONNA. Get on this and we get at it. It's OK. Okay Gilead Kid Wallo. Huge practice on its own huge does the numbers that needs to do on its own under the BARSTOOL umbrella. You you're you're you're you're? Okay. Now they got the the the leverage to come out and say whatever they wanted to say about Dave and lose the deal Go, make something else. They have that kind of following And these. So can oh my God even worse than to me Gillian was saying was worse than the two bigs episodes, because first of all, they didn't even didn't even mention Dave Ford knowing your daily got on his podcast and he said. I've said something racist before. And I that it makes me racist. I know why people has said something racist before and I know that make them racist. He said there was one time I was driving. I was in a traffic. And White do cut me off. He was all kind of cracker motherfuckers and I look back in his car. He was calling me nigger this nigger that he probably wasn't racist. I'm not a racist. And that's the extent like that's as far as it went so talking about you know we're not educated in these things, right people aren't people aren't fully. Bro The shit that I know. I know people don't know and when I'm talking to them. It is from a space of okay lemieux's. Let me try for your how much they know or what they know that help them form this opinion and let me see what facts I can give quickly. That would like. Inform them why that opinion is flawed. Do you feel me just? Oh, there's just so much that we don't know. Gilly has never read the new Jim. Crow Healy the kid has never read precolonial Africa by Shakeout Diop. He read some Shit, so he doesn't. Know. Michelle Alexander Y'all y'all. Get that one. That one's bad boy on the color of money is really good, too, but like. You know I mean. He! Don't know we don't know so. People responding to the best way daily probably got a lot of friends that feel like I feel like common sense is not Comando. I don't feel I. Need a book Lance to know that there's racist people around me I. Don't feel like I need a book to know that there's people who raced who don't realize they're races around me. I don't need a book to know that there are people. who fill away toward me. But would treat me the same way they treat somebody else. You know what I'm saying. I feel like I feel like. All you have to do is be here long enough like yes, now. Don't get me wrong and I'm not trying to down talk the books. Anything like that and I'd love to read some of them at by the way like I say. I admire your mind up through like so so so i. I'm not to downplay any of that, but being black today. Being Black Right now. Way is to me to me is way different from being black months ago. Six months ago six months ago. That's hard to me. Being black to right now is way different than being black six months. The so much shit so much shit has happened in this in this year. That is just like come on, you can't. You can't sit here and stand. on the opposite side of the ship is going on right now. You can't sit here and just and just take. You GotTa Racist Fucking boss. It's not the time for that. Everything needs to be called out like we saw early like you know you were talking about how. We won't see like this. There won't be no normalcy. We're not going to be we'RE NOT GONNA. Go into, just go forward with the way it's going and I disagree with that simply because there's people like this does that's dealing with this shit? Does this okay with you? Land down to it. At! All Times, at all times, not Al, all times of all times of all time to be taking some shit off the back of a racist motherfucker. You're doing it now. When now should be the time where you can call out any fucking thing? Anything you ever you ever. You ever got racist like somebody like this racist and you had a point where you could decide to let this go or say something and he liked determine your livelihood or some like really important. Not Outside of like. Just. Some people on like a job situation environment, yes. But only thing the only difference is not directly towards me. But. The email. The email the my the planet and my job is from Spain. And somebody made it complain to him about like the majority of our office is. The primary language is Spanish. Somebody made a complaint about too much Spanish being spoken. You know to to this guy, so he makes he directs the HR person in this email out saying hey, only use Spanish when you're in office by yourself. Don't you Spanish? Among everyone else that that's not directly to where me but I saw in immediate red flag like what the fuck is this at the same time though I stood down because that's not my. Like I was fucked up fucked up and I told the people around me the how fucked up it was, and they thought the same thing. You know those people. They thought the same thing, but that was more of their. You know what I'm saying early. Going Speak Spanish. Late. Late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds all the way up to nineteen, forty and fifty, it was legal to speak Spanish in different western states. So like that's something that could got people arrested that complaint to HR was. Basically the referendums that people put in place in mostly Latin. Countries so or mostly Latin areas like you couldn't. You could get arrested broke. You'd get arrested for speaking Spanish. Your home for speaking Spanish if it was early nineteen hundred, so that makes us as well, but I bring it up to say to like. It's all good to to sit on. Their horses. Say is Tom Speak Up. It's showtime to say something. Showtime to be out loud and proud but. At the same time you know, I you life is on the line. What do you do you know what I mean? We all like fuck the police yet I know. I normally initiated greenwhich because you smarter than me. For podcasters lives on the line. We already know we already know that discrimination exists if we already know that their pay raise or their pays probably less than their white here. We already know that systemically it is right. We can assume that they are in a different financial straight than their white peers who quit their job in survival, Mommy, and Daddy, or whatever stuff that they had because they've had the privilege that they've had while. You have the people of color that work Berthoud. Hey, this is the most they've ever been paid. They just got a lease rented. A house got mortgage something like. They need to pay off in. You. Know him saying they were I. Lose My house right now. Going at legible book. I hope I got the word played bounce back. So. Everybody notice the got some like Gills flippers slips flipflops all right now. Let's get austere might be the the yee's where they they look like. It Was Easy. St. Making major changes I forgot to put up got to put the fate on other. Yeah, no! Law You gotta be kidding play. I like it though. He didn't play any place status we know. Mushroom curled up now. It is sponsored tonight Oh so you'll need to. It's nice. Like, I know Steve for I know. How long man! He's low. CUT The entire time. A. Fake. Version. This is no you being in low. The guy you gotta hold here for her. Sheep be honest. About or something because my heard so was like. The main weaves this real popular right now. Bro, you, yes? F. As suspects the role. I. Don't say I go I. Suspect, but you do you have seen? The? Costanza Super Moon. Fade on top. That's what I'm talking about home you live. Your best life is going to fake waves. Yeah, man, yeah speed. You'll talk about speaking of fake hair. Go Right Oh! You got the her plugs Shit, man and he'd been wild. Warranty radio. From Quarantine Radio fucking. LAPD, book, in quarantine and shield. In the foot cannot believe era. You know you know. He's lying Lemme fuck and she was like you gotta be six foot November to ride this ride. I said in my raps plenty of time store. You'll listen to my music she's. She bin Laden killing that negative. uh, but if he really shied mega. Man. I feel horrible for also our. SME. Some BICHIR SHITTU guy. Can never imagine. I can't even imagine hitting the woman, but he fucking shooting shooting late. You don't send me for. Women are bigger than you entire life. They are three. Man! Komo down. Mean everywhere he goes. The Voice of duty feel threatened sees. A small come on. He cannot will may. Can't. Booty cheeks questioning. But, To Take it somewhere else now. I like Meg. Put a tweet. The the crime committed against me thing. About Black Women, unprotected black women on sector. Not. What does make shot had to do it? People make toward. Huarong. Did you take it a different way than? Say Unprotected Black Women on protect. It was in response to people making means about Tori about toy, but she got shot by Tori by fifty ended up deleting issue because he was after fifty posted a mini me with the gun. any put toys in Tori's face on his funny. But. That's how she's taking. A. Ain't nobody talking about you all about Tory. Yeah, but isn't. Mean I think. We have a bad. We got a bad. Habit of like. Like kind of cloning in on it. One part of of of a serious saying leaguers make fun of Shit data very true like this drug nigger will smith for a whole week. Because bite me are not protected. Black Women. will put out a tweet todd. Isn't it? Everybody's mean would read is Shit Yeah. We can't compare BRA OV. Compare you get dangerous. Territory when you start comparing today's because women historically. have had a worse bro I mean she's just turned to me. It was like she was turned in some that in eight. Into call we you say I'm not GonNa fuck you and then a little Nigga got mad. Put out a good said you've been out this car, but I'm saying a means. I got nothing to do with huddle. They talk about how tall Tori is every means. No mean making fun of Megan, shy fucking story as it's fucking toy being five three. That's what biggest then honed in Varna said Nichols, a find something like with the risk. They honed in on the. fucking eight nine minutes interview they honed in on one word, which entanglement, Yep, and then the other part of it was entanglement, and it was fucking will Smith's face. In on nine minutes was auto said. Audible showed it now. It's the fucking. His book thing came out in the Knicks five three negative did not expect. He's short. Knicks expected to be five three honest, shortish fire superior. Short, Sunday. Put now means Roller coasters. Like may she seems like a? Nice Great. One She's beautiful Nice Great Body. But. It's like the means eight I mean I know you hurt and shit right now, but nugatory five three while you fucked with this liberty ethnic. I feel. You make you make. You don't like involve her. You know what I'm saying. Don't have nothing to do with. Megan Is, the short jokes did that's all it is estimated. See. But, you're you're you're the short jokes are being replaced with the car conversation about men's fragile to be denied something, or when men can't do something or women or violence against women. These are the conversation they need to happen, but instead we get means about this nick being five three. We need to saga, but also know what happened. For only thing that's out there Torie allegedly shot meg. I it was argument and a gunshot was fired. Today May Kylie Jenner shot. and. Tories taken a charge, so colleen like taking. Ada, Kylie posted a picture her foot after. Her Foot Kelly posted a brand new. Ba- what she got a brand new rosaries. All Pink and Shit. She just positition yesterday. She's unbothered. She don't give. Some nigger! John? Posted Meg followed on on twitter or some shit man is she shot a listen to me alternative. were she followed her because Kylie's not A. Cow We. Don't care about her. She posted inflicting a footing after MAG I. I swear made probably say some disrespectful. College for money, you know you. Just got money, she says. Some slick cows like you ain't got no money. Be Talking me like she like what can collie pulled out a gun like what the Fuck I'm calling dinner? Maybe I can get away with anything. As she would even the shot him in a Pico. She was in the pool. They was all three in the pool. You see that was working, Kylie. Easy to video that it was in the car. Okay, so that was. Video police I saw that part. I'm saying before before that he polls there may also make twerk in Tories Pool. Do, we now see this anybody nobody else saw that towards those stories. He was doing like Hammerlock in the background. So it was hanging out yeah rolling. Long my God. No he probably swim real good man his. FEET FLOW Bud. Now, we doing it though it's going to be our see men and. Women protect and black women. To talk about the topic to do. The. Top Five rappers to get shot and live. I don't know we're GONNA. Put on there. That's that's not bad. top-five brought a lot of rebels. You get shot down. In their right. War Listen. To I looked up I looked at the top like the rappers who have been genius. Lloyd. Are we count before they became a rapper or like John during the career. Because that's kind of matters right like I let for you, let's say live. In their candidates off camera shot yet. He. In Lamborghini and drove himself to the hospital I hate them. Snacks. Dip Sir come on man. Shot at and wrecked. On our. Miami I don't blame you on fifty. Wayne shot himself. He and he had be in the top five. For Shooting Yourself, no, no, no. There's nothing game Serbo shooting yourself. He's probably number two for me. He's number two. We go. Wow, Bro, I'm a regular person can imagine gift shot. Sucks. I'll rather get shot to step though, so we got three. Fifty. Game I had this little game before fifty and then Cam. Goes before fifty two for me Fox. We're talking about this railway snip WanNa live man. He's. Big Into. Not done game. Sandwich the fifty yet. pod Gosh I lived. Died from gunshots. Right back. Down to. The. Right right. Right, I'm not laughing. It's not. Sure who else negotia. Now. Smoke take some some some editing. Know as interesting as interested in your. No. No Fun Way. So he'll get in there because. On you like they can, it'd be a better. You're saying they can rest. You're saying what's the best represent the top. Five right okay bullet won't within I mean to counter that because he did that still had a rep career in was good. Game there. Shot. Stop Fab. Fab Okay Oh man. DABS grabber fabulous spreads. OJ juice man, Fab, young dro dro timber ally drove. Own Shop has him. Though Cam and timber maybe outputs, I don't I. Don't make Joe Guy site though because drove got. At. The whole Polo Pan Remember that twenty, one savage twenty savage got shot, a naked told. Die after he gets out in. The, he was interview so to do like talking about like you know. Tell us about what you got shot in your neck and your collarbone and he was like. In the shabby and my net he's. What was your response when you was shot in the neck, I said Disney going back. I'm sure he said it to his self and not allowed because he just got shot, she'd got. Anybody has wherewithal to talk about. You know. Y. Gramley. Both houses. Both House G. Y.. G. Shot. No talking about he'll do you. Killer goes face Maffioli. Politically correct answer got the putting me. It's out five, but I mean I'm not to. Versed on my uncle, Myrtle Trudeau truth. Toria! Killing these unless they got shot during their rep career, bro is not not enough. During his rap career. Probably, try them. Not No. Notion biggish on. Tomasz China handwriting hangs beans mentioning. I'll be sleeping came to the hospital. Job. What are your skills? Drive with a bullet in my head. Got To get the job got to come on now. You're high gotTA. Realize, it got damaged on his brain and forgot how to use snap. Job Congratulations by by. What I'm sorry. No I. Can't do no critical thinking. This! Do. Every Monday oh. Oh No county and three nights in a row. We got just no order. No matter game gained fifty at the firm Cam. Cam. Bells face I might. We can move on. We saw that Mr. Meg Honorable Mention now man. I mean we got a so reason why I wanted lands? Yes, reason why when it lands her goes. SLIGHT IDEA I get from. My as well near me Atlanta was on his own car without some about you know. Really good best friends. And we was getting killed on air jokes all night. And then I got lady friends that have told me that. I should not vote, but merely as was only when we on his own car needles was saying we was pro trump and All this other shit because. Molasses don't fuck with. Trump or Biden? Yeah, so. I don't like. The notion that. if you've anybody but buying. As about for trump. Trash turn I don't think that. I don't. I don't believe in the fucking vote for the lesser of two evils share. Agree with that About the point of vote was to. To vote for your candidate, yeah, so it's not not because you don't like the other candidate about Jewish supposed to vote for who you support. Who you fuck with. But as he policies help you. Turned into now. You have to vote for this person. This person doesn't get any. We gotta get him out. We just got it in them out. So. You know we. Know, how politically correct lance is bro? You gotta you gotTa. Have Your own show. You don't put that on land. You allow WANNA. Go all want to be politically correct. No, no, no. He'll he'll he'll. He'll get the message across better than I can almost definitely how articulate lancy? He's a lot more articulate than me I'm. GonNa say fuck. I. Twenty. Twenty type shows okay. I'm GonNa say we are abstaining from voting because to do so in participate in a system that has not helped us or benefit us in any way in the past sixty years. We understand that something must change. Bars okay twenty twenty. They, everybody's fucking so seats so we so we actually writing Barney in fuck honey I'm writing Bernie, just lie burns. Don't get a lot of radio and I'm sure. Not Enough to win. No not never enough to win, but. Just, I know. We can get into that now so last night. I know you know like He. You know history and all that other shit so? Why don't you won't either either candidate? I, love, me, away. Ladies and gentlemen what we do is find ourselves in an tell as Otis time about overt racism versus covert racism, overt racism is the white dude yelling nigger nigger nigger as you walk past, his fence covert racism is the social worker that comes into your house, says your mother is unfit, puts you in a foster system that put you now lead you to prison. The prison pipeline covert racism is the teacher. Suspend you five times a year because you sung too loud. You was doing something that you want to covert. Their name was making the the grind and be on the lunch table. there. We don't go hit my bad I always. West Lurks Oh okay. not through wire. Bro My Spanish teacher, it was the first before I've ever gotten and the assistant principal tore it up. Like just sit down here until the class over all right. She's really fun. Bars man my bed. No I'm sure I know I. The listeners hit us up like you'll never do. I know somebody suspended for doing the grind, and of course what? And, we talk about their bro like that is the most covert like we're going to suspend you for. Is that not the beginning of systemic racism. Pipelines Real Bro. I mean the pipelines real, systematic and systemic. That's nothing. People realize the difference between the two of us. Didn't you, did not you systematic racism? You were talking. That's correct. The system of we get kids in trouble for minor offenses that leads them to a prison after they get suspended from school. You're not suspended suspended for being on Lunch Table One hundred times throughout your school years so then when you go in getting real trouble in real life, and they say here take a plea deal. I'm GONNA take it. Man is saying nine seen prisoners like walk in lines. Imprisons like you normally see him on the show. They walking in line. They got his behind their back bunny ears. Harbaugh Marquez in gymnastics and teaching them how to walk and bunny ears. I'm going. I'm fucking everybody already. They are teaching us. If, you do go to jail. This will be familiar to you. Things in these orders time, and these these like schedules that we give you. This will be normal, so don't trip. If you, go against the grain and don't become a consumer like we want you to be. You can have your bunny ears. You can eat your lunch when we say you eat it. You know and you can sit in sale. Gymnast. Man. That's what I'm talking about. Politics like they say vote. y'All voting is voting ourselves into power. If you understand the past hundred years, I'm reading a book called Red Summer by James, Mick Ward or something like that but it's about the violence in the mob violence that was going in nineteen nineteen, so one hundred and one years later we see the same kind of violence. We see the same social unrest. We see the same working strikes and economic distress. We see all the same shit. What you see is that. Voting didn't help them then because they were trying to vote a lot of Democrats conservative Democrats. Going more Republican in their Republican became the over Racist Party, so we know that a Republican is like. Talk about hanging do there was a Republican in Alabama or Mississippi? They're promoted lynching black men to keep white women safe. So Republicans like Oh my God then you've got Democrats who say. Let's give you all this pool, but the pool is going to be sewage water from the plant. Don't trip about that. It's all right Swimming and this is what you want. You wanted your poof, so it's like you know I mean we have always had to send. We have these older. These boomer generation is my mother's. Your mother's parents like that generation was all about the vote. People died. People were beaten so that you can have the right to vote. No, there were beaten, so that I had a choice and some type of like promise to the prosperity that America claims to have. Your are saying that you vote, but we know that money. Is Power. And if you got money to lobby against people or to lobby the prison, industry and senators support and get paid off the prison industry to not get paid off the prison ministry. If you ain't got the money to support the money or replace the money that they're, senators are getting from the private prisons like the PROV businesses kicking back x amount of money. We didn't spend that much lunches. You, I know y'all. y'All say they're supposed to have lobster. We just give them them. Baloney sandwiches. I so don't trip. We got a excess of three million dollars. Here's your one point five. Thank you for sending this Autumn Leagues. You know what I mean that's that is the that is the game and the less black people had ECON economic power to Chart Daniel Cameron the attorney general, who's about to decide to not charge Brianna? Taylor's killers yeah. He his black constituent ain't got the money to be paying him with Mitch McConnell in them got you know he's engaged to his granddaughter, right? WHO's granddaughter Mitch McConnell Great Stuff He's probably going to be Daniel McConnell in a couple of years. He's probably GonNa take her last name. What am I fooling? He's seen my tight well. She puts shrapnel. It's a McConnell of business. It's a mccown much money. Then they go, God, what yes, man! Came being like. There's and there's no black representation in day in the right, so he's getting just a drop of the wealth that they have. He's filed with that. Yeah, imagine what like so yeah. I'm getting off topic. Let's give that. So. That's the voting thing. That's one thing. I'm sorry I got one more thing. That's so the one point y'all say. The people died for rights and everything else. Wrong they were dying again. Be because nothing has ever been fair, and they were trying to bring light to that one, too for the fault say. Evolve for anybody else's vote for Donald Trump, you're you're voting for Donald Trump because we told you I. It was job owner, saying the vote for Donald Trump is crazy. It's wild, wild wild There is a game that America has been playing, and it has never been set up for black people as a matter of fact, it said you to go to jail and every time you go around the board. We're GONNA. Keep your two hundred dollars because you were in jail in this. Just the dead that you always. They've been doing that for fifty times on the board. Now they're. They're saying. Hey, we gave you the right to vote. Just vote yourself out of jail. Just vote yourself out of poverty. Just vote yourself out of these systematic occurrences social occurrences that you had no control over, and there was nothing but rice. If you vote yourself, that's what happen. We say okay. Let me vote for Bill Clinton largest crime bill that we've seen from a Republican or Democrat in the past sixty years. it does. Say it was the first black president by the way it was nuts, the super no. Hillary Clinton the super. Predators call calling black people superpredators Bill Clinton. Hillary, Clinton you know last time, either by the way, yeah, no, neither did I.. People were like my ex. Girl was pissed Vote for him notify and I didn't. Come on. The less the lesser of two evils, thing is because at this point. The lesser of two evils is Donald Trump. If we think about like how many times we voted a progressive quote, unquote or Democrat in office and saw our situation gave way worse, and you didn't even. I mean not even just that I mean. Morally. Morally you look Joe Biden and the ship that he's done. You Right? Honestly, the lesser to leave is is true, still evil. Oh, why do all my facebook and he was trying to bring up like? Things Change. He was trying to push the vote and said I'd say I said that I that. We are John Lewis's the congressman that just died. I said we are John Lewis Wow this nightmare. He come in and say any black person that doesn't vote is not his or were his greatest dreams gives me where his best dream and say any black person that doesn't vote is not John Lewis Dream and I was like boy. Get Out of here like. A White Man, what are you know as a white man in a black man's dream? And even he I'm sure John Lewis if he was in front of my face right now and I told him Abraham I do not trust the political system. It hasn't helped us, and I think that euros effort in trying to get us. Voting rights was wasted energy because it didn't do anything. When y'all should have been focused on getting the economic field level right, I bet you John Lewis should be like Bro. You Shit. Shit young man. You know what I mean. He's not gonNA be awesome now. You still vote yourself in We need to yeah, yeah, you. Where was I going? I'm done. Begin like his Bro. No! No, he said he said that's where I was. He said Oh. That's that's. The political influence of black people say black power. I am weakening said that I am weakening black. Power or black people's Political bargaining power by not voting and I'm telling him that we were never strong or weak or even had any will to speak. So. What changes that? Because! I'm sitting here. I'm sitting here and I'm thinking right. If, we can if we could convince. A hundred percent of one hundred ten percent of black people to come out and vote. What does that do? They don't do nine right of L. do nothing because we have the people who was ganging up on y'all and their parents thinking that hey, man, if I just wrote blue, everything will be okay. So What changes what changes that were also, my life hasn't been any my life has. been buried under trump honestly does that was the thing that I wanted to ask both of Y'all at the top of this was what changes has what what what has changed in your life since Donald Trump became president. I got more make more money than I ever have. I. Don't think and you might have already been on that path, so it's not to not to credit trump right. It's just to say hey. I mean it's just. You know my willpower what I'm what I'm able to do for myself. I'm doing you know for myself. I'm controlling my willpower. How I can no matter WHO's in office. What we've seen is that black people whatever major things happened in America, black people or hit the worst when the stock market crashes, poor black people are hit the hardest, so we have always existed in this lack of and because we've always existed in this lack of anytime. Something's terrible's having white people losing their jobs, and they are going crazy like. Oh, my God what am I supposed to do and black people are sitting there like Oh. I. Guess It got to you know, find another way. We are the most adaptive most creative most like losing resilient. When it come political political bodies why we are most adaptive political bodies right in it literally doesn't matter who's in office like you say you make more money, I mean. The exposure. Or the three peat of racism, being exposed health inequities with the pandemic, being exposed, and like the brays brazen white supremacy. Being exposed is great I'm loving this world that we live in I love it. I! Am like I'm so happy. Bro Imagine. If Hillary was in, we would have never come to this too tall like the lifeboat. Never what? It never went off right? That would be like. Oh, we got our first woman president. We're still talking about black issues. Really. Drew would have stayed sleep Bo-. We had to have a common enemy Bra always say humanity will not come together until we have some aliens to go against. FRILL? Screening yeah. We don't get his green. Let's go yeah, why you will see why people handguns to black people so that they can shoot at the aliens to Shit I've heard like. I've heard from people like back in the old wars and shit like. People that I know like grandfather or whatever it was in the wars was by people in the world. It was racist. But you know what I'm saying. They doing what they had to do. Because I was on the same side that was fighting. For the country that that's why people try to make it seem like we was like We was or American, black people did because it was the only way to escape the share cropper south, and like slavery or imprisonment and two. You had like guarantees for fighting, so if I'll fight, it was like and Black People's mind if I fight for your war, then you had no choice to give me equal rights, but with World War One, World War Two be at Phnom we saw race riots in social unrest every single time those war was oh. Those wars were over. Over and people came back home now we have Ghanistan in Iraq. People come back home, expecting good treatment Saint Treatment Y'all see in the do that got shot in Ohio Sean something. He was alive. He was doing stupid. He was doing too much. I, but they shot him. And then they said August is going to be closed. The COP said, is GonNa be a closed casket for you? Homie, right? Is it the DO He was a military Goss. Like you know what I'm saying like. He fought for this country. Deserve the rights of do try not to be like. All types of stuff but no. There's not enough. Guys came back to like. The Dave Chapelle, eight, forty, six, special, or whatever He talked about the Dorner the KOMO now ex! Military Guy Black LAPD. Start killing US and LAPD family members of Knowledge Shit Garissa. Then, he says on about. Dallas Shit. I'm more. The, the negative kill seven cops or whatever saw. Become home from the military man, and let me black the with this shit. Yeah, or they or they assumed that they need to join the police force to actually get the protections and rights that they get. We've seen countless. Off Duty Police. Officers detained guns pointing on them. Even after telling the cops a macabre, they do not care. Do Your lack the way I saw the way I saw those stores you talking about Steve was these people came home and continued to fight for their country. Come on. Hulu. Bar either to be so patriotic that you are keeping your nation up to the standards that they said they was on. Yes, that's exactly what about it would come on now. That is a good soldier. Net is a good officer so We got to vote for to lesser evils. Bro You so rights and I wanted to mention also UTAH. Boycotting things. Is the only way we've ever gotten any type of legislation or rights. It wasn't march into voting polls and then getting beat. They got voting rights. It was staying off move buses and messing up. They economics messing up. They money not shopping with them, not doing and participating in the system as they need to participate, so they can continue to be profitable. That's the only time so when we abstained from voting Bro when we write in Bernie Sanders name where we right in Kanye west his name, if enough of do it, the willing to stop and be like. We didn't have enough votes for either party to like. Like. This party only got three thousand volts this party. Only four thousand votes in the rest of billions of vote was right in. Obviously, people have lost faith in the political system. Obviously, people are losing faith. That's already been shown because the last election was the lowest turnout and. I wasn't the history or white. Long time was the lowest was lowest turnout, but and. This and this and this one could be. Even lower for C. from standing. Though if there's enough names are written in or whatever they just do it again so they get what they do is they? Give people another chance you know. Oh Shit so and so's been wrote in this many times I better. Get my ass out there and vote for trump. Or Biden or whatever I thought, that's kind of how that process worked. If if enough writings, that person doesn't simply just become president. No, no, they just run that shit back. With this person on the ballot. You. All know maybe I'm not familiar with the process. Works either who knows that'd be interesting to see yeah. There's no third. Parties, where we are a false democracy. Yeah, we are a republic posing as a democracy man. No scariest fought the scary. Here's your choices yeah yet to choice you. Have you have freedom? Yeah. There's there's a dude. You got this. Guy Right here. The, and then there's another guy that's got the same name. Just eight your sound. And here's. What I'm saying, no those choices. Zane policy my homie. Debate, it was like dino policies. Do you know Biden's policies? You don't even know by his policies and you're not. You're not. You're not voting for him because you don't know his policies and I'm like Oh crazy to me. The biggest came for biting like I'm like I'm like boat. When White Man's policies is another whiteness policy I? Don't need to know. Let us like they don't even fuck woody is they? Don't like trump that's. It. That's it. That's the crazy thing it's like. Day Just They like him a little more than trump. They don't like trump all. But they got they got like ten percent. Like a ten percent like. Know how you play a RPG asylum, it takes like A. fucking points to level up guy. You gotta get like this point. By Net ten skill points okay. So they're gonNA, go for him. Okay? Versus trump's five. Trump zero. Zero okay. I got Haiti. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy man is. Let let's give by office of the these things that support buying a shot in the leg instead. Vote for him. And so crazy how synonymous they ought to be because! Trump and his campaign, twenty sixteen I'll never forget when they ask. Why should black people vote for you? Nigga said. By the turn right around and say Oh, well for me. You Ain't black. What's the fucking different nothing so? It's the same thing. It's eerily similar. To me. What would you do that? Why why would you do that? Why would you say that? Amount of my best friend is black made. You think they're like you? That was okay fever, say Bro. What? And this is so scary because you get people that you asked people. To come out and say yeah by it and this the one. Is A fucking trap Dr. Loves Biden. She Bug Obama co-signed the one. That's one go. I love some Obama like she's on that like. The older people brought a locked in partnership Moore. Locked in on that, party. Going on voting, Shit. Too Yeah so a whole new, a whole new. A whole new strategy must be head, and that's it goes back to what you were talking about earlier about. You have to be a different. Your different person than you were six months ago. Like this is a different situation. Black people than it was since since months ago and that's the problem with American politics that the. Body politic has to reevaluate its position and reevaluate strategies that uses to inflict political will every few decades every decade every couple of decades, not even a decade like every eight. Four eight years every four eight years. Yeah, okay all right. Okay, all right we may over this down. Let's let's let's get so bumble. Primero! I guess primary was admit it was McCain. We mccown. Okay Mitt Romney was the was the blue guy a choose between the two. Terms though so. With a Republican representative. We don't remember right now as well right, John McCain was one washed. Hillary ran against Mama and up and the primary Yup. Okay, it was between them to. Talk about the the to Democratic candidates. Yeah, that's what I was I. think it was. Okay Romney and McCain. Se. Like who was it the first time anyone? The Republican I think it was either Romney McCain. I. Don't remember that eight. We are sitting here creating a podcast about and having a political conversation, there are think tanks where people get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to predict the social climate of five years out ten years out twenty years out right. They get their literally a think tank paid to say hey. Social unrest is going to be crazy around this Tom. Let's give them a black president that'll keep everybody fire full minute if they released eight years and then if. Afterwards we all know social estimate up rest going back up. Maybe we need to get a little pandemic sprinkled in there some. People sit the fuck down I. Don't know, don't another thing. These politicians shipper they'd be like. How do you come in? To money and the president and being fucking. Fuck like they'd be rich as fuck. and. Get paid like how do regular Breyer, but it'd be rich as fuck useful. You supposed to lose money when you become a politician like you're supposed to be a service to the people you're certainly play May. Bank they don't pay taxes and ship. They don't pay taxes and and they they do because the way the way. The United States is set up bras like. The more money you make but like. It's like setup for the rich the rich so like that's like. That's ultimate goal and I. Just want to get my money, fuck. WHO President is I'M GONNA fuck. Up. In politics is hand to hand found. If you, if you that money, you've got political power. If you don't got no money, then you just don't got political Powell. S That's? Have you don't want like? If you WANNA be exempt if you bitching about this other. The easiest solution is just get rich. But you you say like I'm not saying it's easy. But I'm saying hey, I'd like to get rich off. I'm not saying it's easy, but I'm saying is structure for. The rich to. To stay rich. That's what I'm saying. If you if you figure if you figure out a way to get into that that class. Upper! Echelon you know what I'm saying AMERICAN CITIZENS You'll be straight. No matter who the FUCK THE PRESIDENT IS! You wouldn't even probably worry about this shit because you ain't paying taxes. To like. It's like a whole bunch of exempt shit, and it's like it's. America's like built on like a poor and class. You know what I'm saying. Keep the. To. Keep the Bank. go to work every day BRO. To pay these my focus. We learn go work every day. For our money to give to somebody else, Yup, and we on treadmill every week and We don't have. We. We give money to fuck rich in. He's rich, and you had the same exact lifestyle you did they WANNA job. You ten years later. He could give you more, but that's not how capitalism works the need new labor. As long as the Labor's cheap in my profit can be as big as it is so yeah, I'm sorry I can't raise your pay and. I mean you don't like that. I'm rich of your fire. Thanks for working a Barstool have a good day Viacom. Viacom Komo now. I told you exercise that power Bra It's funny to me. How uneducated people out to or maybe I know shit, maybe not the average person with no, but. When he got fired. People were saying well he owed. Bt. Adding, that Oh my God. Being. Viacom, is they probably? was like. Come On facebook brawl. You know Spanish food MTV out. Don't people don't know Viacom is the parent network. They don't understand that it's like Viacom like. NBC ABC. It's like five networks only. Just like it's like. Twelve companies that own everything in the world like people don't know Shit. That's crazy, somebody said. I saw the the he should go to revolt. And saw. And and and revolt I think he's GonNa extended the invitation to the problem. The problem answer MTV owns the. That was on the problem. Now is next. He's fighting for the name so. I mean, but you can difficult. There's other. Ways to say well now. L. Wildly. Wow. We. To Dj direct, you know. They start wearing black and are. He's probably biting. They never gonNA. Give a name, but he's probably fighting for the format of the show like the gay he created. Yeah, Bosox I I had you know. But it's true, though, because by Leonard designed the the hand emblem from Nike, and when he went to new balance, he wanted to take winning and Sue Nike for not giving it to him and loss. Imagine creating something and company saying thank you for that. And you know you can imagine every time I go to vote. Cayenne! Thank you for that vote. was able to get yeezy somehow Mike Yeah. I don't know how they probably read his contract. I mean the kind signed it I. Don't know how you got it Bro but! Let's get A. Skit into something else did y'all WanNa. Those kind of touching on at the beginning of the show McCain's. IOS Nine far. I am not a Hebrew. Israelite so I won't speak on yeah. Even very extreme. Heat extreme at all. He just said truth that you would hear from. Any educated black theory professor. Amy like Dr Sabio or anybody else, but he is who he is, but what she was saying. Yeah, he did word. That's that's. It took an extreme right NOPE, here's here's a passing buzzwords in her. buzzwords fear Yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah using in. Boston fearing again. I meant to say you got a little Dick to like. He should've. Should've kept going broke push. As. They had to be like. Saint of video is three minutes and forty one. They had to be a specific man in Martin. A guy named fired like six thirty a I. Put out an apology, and that's the worst part so like he say what he said, and it's not live could edit it yes. Guy Yeah I didn't think about that. Could have been edited out. who I wonder, who producers? The producer got be Jewish. Nothing wrong with you. Jewish produces open. You Know that's and we can talk about the sensitivity of America when you separate people and put them in different spaces. You allow them to have their grievances. Nakano was talking about have their grievances, but Nick Cannon, as part of a disenfranchised group also has his green. Mrs, and if he was more better versed in how to express those grievances. Maybe he wouldn't loss it. That's what I'm saying. I can't help but to look at the fact that you can. Might not be fair to say right now. But you can express your feeling toward. A lot of groups I'm not going to be specific. You can express your feelings toward a lot of different groups as artistically as you can or as. His unattributed word I asked before. In our. In our team leased away, right. Depending on the group, you can say whatever the fuck you want to write. and. Be Fine, right? 'cause black people apparently don't care. We ain't all up in arms. We'll have no. Hey Bradley. Because because you can. If somebody's my said was a teacher, they said we can make run them into the payment. It'd be the same color or whatever the crazy shit that teacher from move. And the. Fuck out of here week. I mean, but it's just now and. Get another job somewhere else I'll fuck man the good example. We just heard about Dave Portnoy. He doubled down what he said. I know like that again. I prefer over races like I know release in. Also if I sat down with Portnoy could change his mind. I not changed my but I could give him some like historical stuff. It's like give me the resource little projector a little powerpoint. Did you all this stuff. Educating educate him like a month with the quickness you. You've been told to be proud of his Boston Tea Party, you've been told to be proud of the civil war, but the people who fought the civil war were successions, thereby treasonous and the people who were they. Were you know like? How can you be proud of that? Bro? I mean that's not. That's not American. That's the most un-american thing in the world I. Don't think gives a fuck you know he. He's got a million dollars. But, but it just goes also also. He does the firing, but it doesn't smell the thing right well. So it depends on how you are before you can say whatever you want to say about. A certain group of people see there's there's little caveats. Never mind to go with the fire off Mike or Office of. Tell you about the broader backgrounds wild, okay bedrooms wild in like the way the contracts and stuff are set up when you're part of something like that, you're You're right. There's no recourse for him like there's no. That's why he don't care. They'll matter, so tell me to difference because I. Think know to answer this fairly. We already answered, but what's the difference between a neat cannon and Dave Portnoy? I mean day poor, nor has his own networking can of works for network. Okay, that's that's what I figured. It would be right. So, yeah like you see. The company gets the employees. The Fuck Outta here. Meanwhile company can do whatever. The president of viscount come out and say I deliberately program my television to show Y'all black people get locked of shot and killed. Desensitize you and make you not as angry, but I would never show thousands of Jews getting killed or lead to furnaces. I would never show anything that we have Jewish people hurt. That is like that biased I'm talking about and what you can do when you own which you own. Does video revolt TV. Outright. Goto revolt might not be a bad. Move I mean I. Think Oprah owns is own. 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We talk about the tokenism that American forces you to get into. You are made a token. We thought Nakano was mogul then just seven jobs. Getting money from seven different jobs, so we as black people was like damn, Bro you really owns your boss. No. Maybe, like close to that maybe third-in-command with yeah, you know. He got enough power to let people in the door and put them on and stuff, but he ain't got power to. Scheduled programming I mean America has talent should be replaced well now. So I said America's got talent should have been replaced while ethnic. Who was the head of that network? Bug America's got talent. We while out in America's got talent gotTA come awhile out to show. He's the host of that mashing to any. He's a host like wanted them. Kinda shows Yup, yeah, the mass. The roles almost. The Wayne came out with A. He created that but again. Yes. I mean all of these great ideas that he's giving like you say you give to the. Thank you very much for their idea. 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But when you somebody's positive impact verses, they negative impacting like you have to kind of weigh him out man. I agree with you that not everybody deserves to be cancelled, but you have to weigh out there. They impact like. Did you would what you've done. How detrimental was to many women how? We talk about Tori if Theresa may super. But. I'm saying like Congress. I mean even more than com more so than people like have spoken more said something that somebody didn't like and they WANNA castle. Causing harm to somebody you. Did Fuck you Tori lanes. If he did dishes what I'm saying, just a Nigga speaking. A negative somebody distinct different than that person. That's that's that's what it all comes down to. Somebody saying something. That isn't what you what you make as automatically cancellation, but as long as person is saying everything that you agree with. Are you riding harmful? Let me say come here and say something that all these shakes. Don't agree with. 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I'm a comma diehard fan and I'm on verizon like he got an give him a pass Boma. Guy took it out. I'll give you a pass and I. Love I'm a bed. I literally have scapegoated his behavior. Because I'm such a fan of him do the same thing happened with? Anybody else broke beyond. Say if she I donate trump. People a ever since she got with Jay Z., I don't know I'm GonNa. Give her a pass on thing I mean. I'll buy music no more. I have boycotted this. Is just like people pick and choose, and then the castle castle sits silly. Bro, you can't council every for Kenny. You can't just got somebody disagree with what you you. Can't you know what I'm saying? It's a touchy one man like I say. For me. It's it's the measurement of the impact within you did versus the negative. I like that. I liked it I. Liked what you. Use. You smack, smack a kid, but you gave us Billie Jean. I won't take it. We'll take it now if he's if it's true that he raped kids, Bro. As a cancellation offense, bro You invest. 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That's fine I've scared to death poetry. Thing already right? You got it right. Ignorance. Ignorance. Literally both. deal. All Right? We're back okay quick. Smoke Burt. Drain. We Bet? Baby young stretch. So. One of my favorite NBA players. James Harden. He! He wore a blue lives. Matter Masks. Yeah, you know where to me it. Kinda looks like a One of those duty masks do call of duty maybe as maybe s where he thought he was wearing. A young came out on what they say Internet. Oh He's. Doing to that man, that's his brother. You Ain't got to come in attacking first of all your verse Sam Days. A week. Up You know he came out. On Hannity he what he was doing. And I think he did though. Have Internet is where he makes thirty million years absolutely crazy. No, that is, that is a that is a ridiculous adaptation. If I had if I had to come and capable James, say he don't have Internet because he's always on the road. I'M GONNA. Say It is the punisher joint which police? They loved poetry which. OFF PUTTING CRAZY To, think that you are idolized vigilante that goes around killing people he deems are. And the the creators have even said many times even the punisher comic book he speaking out against police brutality each time like the crater. Say Hey, this is not four cops. Fuck you. You have someone your page. I wanted to send the. But About The characters. All Year. I wanted I. wanted I wanted to. Find it and said I don't know I mean we could talk about. How are we not really not much to say about James Harden I haven't end though. Is About him, wearing the blue lives matter thing. It's like it's like. How did you not know? And, maybe he wore the punisher. Maybe like you know, but or maybe not. Maybe he was just. I always go back to. Just because a negus famous doesn't mean he speaks for everybody and not saying that he's speaking on the opposite side or whatever He's just unaware. He should not be held to the responsibility of a fucking mask. He shouldn't be no, we shouldn't. We should. We should look at James, Harden and say we should look at James Harden, in a boulez amass unintentionally and say Oh, you for you on the other side is fucking issue. No, why landscape plays basketball, so he's not. He's not an activist. He's not somebody who's ever came out and said anything I'm not taking. Taking it you your you automatically, your human and humans have opinions on civil rights have opinions on this society that they live in one hundred percent of humans. No, I mean no to not know odd not giving you that Bro is no way this Nigga put on this mask and has not seen, but it's on every truck you see all these flatbed trucks are. He is seeing that flag. He seen the punisher symbol. He knows somebody. Got Wrong. Move. He and he's always on. How many how many trucks? How many how many he buys the he probably not paying any attention to the trucks when they when they play the Sun I know he has a confident or cough night. Somebody close to him. That knows about the political situation knows about societal situation when he put on that mask like Bro. You notice what cops us. Nobody told him that. And this, this head straight up strip as assholes. detail. All he does I know. We can't. Rockets. Dribbling a basketball even matches team colors go ahead outside of dribbling. A basketball never heard as outside of talking about basketball. I don't know anything else about. James Harden, besides he used a fog, we KHLOE. He had a horrible season at year when he fuck Louis Band ounce bags at the MVP. But outside of basketball I noticed that negative be in Houston Strip clubs going bags of bread discrepancy in fucking them. That's all I know about you that. I loved it was a few years ago a young. I think it might have been. Trayvon Martin Young Bill came out. They said they asked him something he's I. Don't know about that man. I'm trying to get some money. I love day. Because ignorant, yes, but at the same coin. Stop? Championing people who have talent. You know what I'm saying. Stop Stop idolizing these people and expected them to save. Have the right words to say no, that's not now. How many basketball? How many people did you know? It was a lot of the middle right and they can. Stupid dunces. Negatives To A lot of negative non to death I could be, it could be. They'd be the cute people or a lot of people that are close to have killed people on hiring. I need buddies. I mean Wesley Matthews. was that West a man who the WHO that drop. Wasn't Matthew West, and no, no, no, no not Wesley Matthews Wesley skin eighties play for circuits. Yeah, what's that something? Yes, only buddy, James Harden guy. No I'm not taking it. We need to I'm sorry, but if you a celebrity if you are making more money than you know the people that you came up with. you have a responsibility to. You have responsibility, speak on certain things and just kind of be the face for certain things. And he came out with a black man. He came out with any other color anything he anything else anything else, but for him to come out in a blue lives matter mask. Bro Off top. I'm sorry brought us. I'm not hearing that I'm not Charles. Barclay Charles Barkley. I'm not a role model Yes, are I'm sorry. You know you don't WanNa. Be But. It's kind of comes with the territory. Bro, what do you? What do you expect egg negative? Do for you glance. What are you explain the ignorant Negga with more money than dot to do for you. I mean did the very least say he shouldn't have got killed by the police. That's very lease. That's but that's the thing. That's the thing. Same Day he was interviewed asking about the protest in Houston and I mean James Harden's about a shadow shallow as a fucking crock. Pot Hole would watering. Well I. Think all eyes were on Nigga. All eyes were on all eyes were on Houston in the world. Houston showed the world how we can come together. Negga the entire fucking country was protesting is not on Houston entire world from Houston no right now. He's from Compton, the whole the whole world. Oh, this happened was earnest. Was You know what I'm saying? That's worse. Bro Yes because the west coast. Even st negatives. Intriguing all of them as well burn. Understand that, but I just don't. I still can't give the responsibility to James Harden to say you know what. You are you are my man. Win Black. I expect you know like or a horrid ask against them. I expect you to not wear that mask mega, no fucking better and he. It's not. It's not my place to say that he should. Dumb Games give you done prizes. Niguel play dumb. Then cool you get the backlash. They that you that you deserve. Stop that. Stop, Day I am not everybody's held accountable. I'm here for accountability. We shouldn't champion eye celebrities like There's people there's people that we can put dollars behind. We put out support behind. That has the proper way to articulate how to represent. US. you know what I'm saying them though. Those people aren't mitigate one bro I'm not in the forefront I don't have millions of dollars and people don't see me everyday people don't hear me. Say this, and that's where the focus should be. Like when it comes to issues, we when it comes to a black issue, I shouldn't be going to James Harden and see what he thinks. NOPE, there's there's specific. People agree that that should be you know we. Should you know I agree with that? And then there's then there's who's this completely unaware? WHO's GonNa? Do Dome Shit like James Harden. And we talked about you know we just talked about pulling up the canceled bus on who you know what I'm saying like we can't do. We know Comey. I don't think he should be cancelled for, but it needs to be education. Definitely! For Education I'm sure he got it after good. I bet you wear no blue mask again. You Bet he you know what I mean, and if he does then, he deserves not to be canceled, but to be like ridiculed like yeah, stop it. He deserved it when it happened, but the thing is, is I mean? This news aroma knicks fashion bright. He looked at it and thought it was cool, got a golden new. Is is is nooses platinum negative? Jacob gave me this. I'm not taking a broader. No Bra tasteless, yeah. What was the next topic? Killing us, we don't stay rebels. Basketball, but you know we're not gonNA argue this week. Interesting. People I Bernard that me. You were saying the same thing, but you wouldn't get him what I was saying. Last week, okay. But. Seen last I've seen this before, but I do lands this time line. You know he was going to be on the show shit so I was seeing. You know if anything to hear share because he's always turned some. Thought Provoking Shit. And he had a mean. He shared that show where. The entire WNBA. Players, women basketball players made a total of like fifteen million. And Lebron James Greatest Basketball player in the world may thirty seven million. Last year alone from his MBA CONTRACT! So, I've seen where you, I remember your comment on it, but I know US discussing this ridiculous. Why do you feel that? 'cause like we already know that there's a gender pay gap. We already know that there's equity gap when it comes to women and men, but in sports amplified now there's a lot of people that justified this by saying. Well, women ain't bringing in endorsement dollars that men and bringing in all this other stuff, but. Nah Nana buying like. If you put in the. If you invest the proper money, then they could get rodion joy. Might, be sensitive. Enjoy watching women basketball. Say. Enjoy is probably the. I'll say is the. Purest form of basketball. There's no dunking. It's all skill. It's shooting dribbling. layups free those. Say like nobody's like super fast. You know athletic crazy making just go pass somebody in like. An NBA like I think a lot of players love said before there are more skilled than say the players of the Ninety S and eighty S. But, with the skill comes also We. Know not lack of fundamentals there are lack of fundamentals, but the I'll say the lack of fundamentals are mostly in the players. Don't are just ungodly athletic and I think the athleticism is top notch today Like. I put I've put ungodly talented to Steph curry animals athletic in the League but. Skill ramming like niggers shooting. Forty, forty-five Easy Dame Louis Yeah forty-five easy, so I'll say that much, but yeah with women. It's a a pure form of basketball. There's no you're not. You're not blowing past each other and going for Donka whatever? So I'll give you that. But what? You signed endorsement dollars I don't think it's that I. Think is yet. They don't generate generate the amount of money and also the NBA The male players. Are Able to get this much money? Because you got. Networks like ESPN. Given the NBA two billion dollars for A. For. Eight years deal for two billion like so. I couldn't even tell you what I paint in Wnba game. Come on, ESPN. Sometime. Mike? But they got a thirty game season NBA, has eighty two game. Yeah the NBA just generates more revenue. But I feel like maybe possibly if I think we're going with Atlanta is I think if I think what you're trying to say is like a fair was more marketing dollars. Maybe put behind. The women I I don't think they would ever generate as much as the NBA. NBA's been around since late sixties. That was the point that I wanted the WNBA just starting in late nineties. So. Ridiculous yeah, yes or no. It's not we'll go away. What know I I, think, Vorontsov, forget the same sentiments. SORTA yeah for the most part. Yes, the Talking about like the skill level. Not Not comparable, not not going to compare it to men's basketball, but another like one of the beef that I have with women's basketball. How lopsided it is I mean I I'm more familiar with cal women's college basketball, but man. It's the same. Three or four teams, every single year s two. One s the best because those girls go to the same schools every they invest their best players. They do any men's basketball team I. Mean You you You you? You know who you're. top recruiting classes local husband women. Most of the women stay for more than your NBA. Male basketball in College of college basketball like. Is only going from one season you. You're not wrong it anything. He's saying, but so. How many games in college basketball season for women. Isn't at the same amount. Thirty something thirty, too. Many games in a row has UCONN won before they I lost a few years ago. Ninety something winless, Carleen. They went undefeated for like three years. It was like and you can turn on. There was there was one year this one team Enviro. I can't remember who it was. It wasn't under the top teams, but Was it was it was a fifty six to five, and the beginning of the second half Baylor when the Brennan grow, I think I don't think it was i. don't think it was any high profile. It was random team. So like and it's not to say that these women don't deserve money because they don't because skill level whatever it's just. I feel like I feel like the. Entertainment value to the casual basketball fan. It just isn't there for women's basketball. Somebody will pay. Somebody will pay to watch Lebron. Play one game versus watching a whole Im- WNBA season like hey, you wanNA. Eighty dollars to watch his NBA season or eighty dollars to watch Lebron playing this one game. People are going to go with Brian, and I get it. But. It goes back to that tokenism in that play. -cation or placate and people say oh, women WanNa y'all want something. We'll give you this in here. You Go, but it's just like. Would they do well black people where we don't get the amount of resources that? They get so if only they had the same amount of resources. I know as WNBA chicks got like two jobs brown. Yeah, like like. Imagine, some of them around round. Just go overseas a hoop, W basis and Donald Sarossy. She's like I don't know if she's the coldest, but. She's definitely wanted to coach. She's old now, but she wanted to greatest win. Basketball players of. Overseas as well, she should pay. Be Paying them not to have to go overseas and don't you have of Neil to know? She's with the Brian Brian. You have that is still need to play basketball all year round. As well, I don't have to. She probably wants to, but yeah like. I would probably say he's probably one of the highest paid players in the WMU, but we're talking. I don't know maybe three hundred grand. I'm not sure I. Know what that's like a hundred grand a game. It's not bad. That's not bad. It's just own the level of the buying. Impede thirty seven on the level of the six man on the vines team today today. S. And It's not you see a game on TV. It's like empty seats everywhere like it's not. Because because you will find, you will find way more casual fans watching the celtics versus. A WNBA WNBA game you gotTA. Really Love the sport. In my opinion, it just speaks to the Pagan. The the the pay wage gap like we. There's justifiable reasons why You Know Mel Athletics and more exciting. Whatever brought but Like the the infraction is the amount that is being paid like the Brian. took his salary one year, and gave it to a spread amongst the players that are wnba she. I. Mean You know what I mean? Who knows what they would do them when who knows? What broadcast platform they will put themselves on. Who knows you know if they perform better cause they ain't got to. They can just focus on basketball and I. Worry about they. AUBER job. Pick like them that Utah like. Excuse me, ladies, I I'll use that word, but. She got a New York Liberty. Warm up suit. Doing drop before the game. Cool so I think you know pay pay everybody especially women. That extra. I feel you know so I feel like. Right now is is business about. What was argument in ninety four right for women and pro professional basketball. Or Women WanNa get because you said ninety six. Ninety four. They probably partitioned into get. Yes, I'm saying wnba then to get it and you know if you did if if you I mean it was. Essentially a startup to. Maybe like eight teams back name when I. Start a business I don't even know how. Don't I'm pretty sure they definitely don't have thirty teams on NBA does say they might even have twelve now. Fourteen or something because they only play like thirty two games last season. Yeah, but they do. There is in like two months. Light issues over like. It was normally starts in July. And by the time fogging NFL preseason, coming over the season's over the champion, the finals, and should all you are. MAYBE THE SOLUTION ISN'T A. This allusion isn't. It can't possibly be equal pay considering. The one organization versus the other. It could definitely be more. People complain about these negative. Getting all this bread like pedal homes has got that half of bill yeah. It's like. These TV comedies networks is thorn this money so they gotta. They gotta give it out like guess. What a salary cap goes up every year. They can they all down. Now have to. They have to. That's the whole point the salary. Okay. It's like you. Like your job now of the. Salary if they mandate came out or some happening in. The! Money went up. The and and yet you might get a ten thousand dollar raise like. Everybody had different than you got the hourly. People take hurt him like everybody will get a certain amount of the race. To fill that gap, 'cause like where else does that money go? Lazy. Concessions not honest. The owners should pay for so two so. I'm trying to understand because I. I'M NOT WELL-VERSED ARGUE? They get money from where who you say, broadcasting companies and stuff like that. ABC This team that's. Okay advertise or would you tell me is like Kansas City. So. Busy paid two billion for eight year deal. Billy and there was some crazy. And people was like. Why don't fuck you paying that much for NBA? You should be paying two billion or Eight hundred million whatever it was, it was a big ass number for the NFL because you know. The NFL generates the most money, okay. So yeah they. Money. Because I! Know that when. There's a difference between the owners and the League. Right, you told me this before. But you bet you and you just said it so the money this money comes this money comes where and I'm pretty sure. We born the fuck out of the listeners with this conversation, but. I'm busy offer X. amount of millions of dollars to WHO NBA The NBA. It's a bidding war. Turner networks is bidding for a the finals is on ABC every year right so there was a bidding war. To. who gets the final like? That's what it is like. They still got the contract returner, and then they still got the contrary SPN, but it's about who gets to host the finals. We were kids when we was early. Two thousands NBC had the finals. So, that was owned it so espn the advertisement dollars go to that entity this buying the network or find the NBA The return on investment you know. Hey networks. We just bought the NBA. was really ask for NFL. NBA Okay Aba your. NFL is the same way it's only to CBS. And for Sam and money comes through the. League who's going to because because I thought that that would owners from from my understanding, that was the difference between the owners and the League. Not It's all number little. League. The owners. The owners run the NFL players. Run the NBA. Okay I want to get, and it's like it's because I'm sure like we we to. Be out the Mont another show. Of. Get into the last thing. You taking. Brewers in jail to wipe away. All your student loan debt why? Why are we asked the question? I thought like in my head. We had two different topics where we not going to be able to get this week. You take years. Wipe the taste of Dick off your mouth. To. Go! Fuck today. No. This lighter nicer now we GONNA do. It's a ten years for me to get the student loan. Took seniors. And I'd rather had done it the way I did it even though the way I did, it was painful still. I still rather do it this way, and then getting my liberty ticket from me like that's big right? There s three years you can't get back. Nine doing only old. Only Oh twenty thousand, so I'm not doing three years. This is easy claimed. Jack Harlan. Were happening okay Giancarlo posted A. Questions he does ten questions a week or something like really funny only. One of them as would you suck Dick for one hundred million dollars? He got his white boy bag and he said it went. Take that much I'm about getting to the bag, the white more bag. I think that it's bringing out the HOMOPHOBE negus to like enforce like. Gay. Auditing Gay, And it's like. It's relevant like Okay, that's what I was saying. When we say stuff like that is tantamount to say in this ghetto, so we are automatically oppressing people that exist within our oppressed group, so if it's a gay person, gay black person, and or if as a black person and you hear this ghetto, you're automatically being lessened. If you're a gay black person and you hear that gay, not only are you being less in by everybody else? But you're also being lesson by the social group that you identify with, so we are oppressing. Others within our own oppressive realm. So that's what I'm getting at. Is that Nigga because I kept seeing people posted, and there was like laughing like Oh, where the Jack Harlow fans! Get your boy or now all. The negative! Face a little. And it's like first of all. I don't know people ain't on the scene like like people be and they only homogeneous and only see hood, but there's a lot of gay white people in the city. If you want to be the face is not a bad face. He's not gay. Right or we don't know. He never came out, said it, but obviously he's comfortable enough in sexuality that he could say he wouldn't take that much. And Blah Blah Blah. I'm saying as a straight man. I'm not. Hearing Abroad! You see that money in your face Bra. LEAGUES IS ABOUT TO CONSIDER A. Kiss the tip he's going to. Go consider one hundred million dollars a hundred million dollars breath. Doodo considering 'cause I'm types of terms considered with what did they got? Not. They got a small throat fast to live I. have to because that's an extra. That's an extra hundred million again about this. Out here Sunday for Free We. Shoot down my throat, yes. Bro The happens about. Have you shot down the third before? Yeah, okay, so stop days bag is some weird or foreigner nasty. You do it to people so like stopped it. Are you better than her? All right spray my face. What's the difference? I need. I'm saying. It's not that Tom like got gotta be A. IT Shows People's homophobia ladies any homophobe. Come on and this amount of money. Doing it now you still wake up in the morning. Look at yourself in the mirror like damn. NIGGA state. Hundred dollar. At the one hundred thousand. Birthday! Now. Oh well, you see, that's the problem you think is going through. Just one gay. Don't make you Gabriel not. There's girl known. Yes. Girls. There's girls who are in relationships with some negatives. Be Like only way you can fuck me as if. We ask. We ask them all and we called any female astor. Would you fuck with negative? Suck big? They would tell you know because they got disabled. Thank you there, you go! WE BE HOMOPHOBIC TO. Women who that women? It was a thing for a little bit of this huge discussion. would. A woman fuck do that was by sexual Most women say no, that's homophobia. Why just safety like? AIDS. Then why don't be a sexual in just a sexual? Our Safe? That's that's a fallacy to not all gay people have as it's like saying all. As you say about sexual. brought. You haven't I isn't isn't a AIDS, more prevalent in gay people in men. Isn't crime more prevalent black people who come on? I don't know. I. Don't do that, do say no, you. No, no, he knows you know that. This is just one of those things that they attached to gay people to like further disenfranchised them so. Boogeyman oh, that gay person they got as like. Not every gay person has as in if gay person does have as you know, that's not even as HIV HIV that speaks more about they reckless sexual habits. As a person, because we all can be sex, sexually reckless, bro. You know what I mean. That's freaks. Our the fluidity is what I'm talking about Bro. Like sexuality is a construct, and we like I'll be telling Exhau- time. You gotta be a little bit gay if you've ever masturbated before. You touch an ID. That's gay. That's Gabriel. I'll give fucking visual. Did that's the that's gay you are. A little big bro, you touching is piss. I'm saying Big Lake Erie. Pledge during a Dick. I why you piss Yoshihiko like this. Problem. It's just one of those things like you cool for straight men is now for straight men to comment on. What gave people do? No I mean. I was joking anyway I. Asked, the same question asked. Do Ask same you Saturday for free. I bet he say no, no hell know. Exactly What you're looking to mirror every day down. Home you. Know the thing is, is you? Don't want to do bro. rewind. Trick to me, and but you're not attracted to try to push I'M GONNA try to demand. Attracted to push your. Elbow. I. Wasn't a hundred. Miami you've got to put it in my head, right? How long doing this? You're right. How much can I use right because? Be a million dollars to get away with A. Over what are we going pack? Did Man, and he's not bad. We're only. Twenty five. Hey we need. US That's the again. The money in my account is no before anything happens. I need to check my PNC and be like I. Why cash. I missed joke. Is By is by you you're you're good. Drew Your Life, you said I will. Not You know no amount of money? But and I'm like no. I do feel like as a form of homophobia. I remember how Brown I'm not what Hell I'm not attracted to Dick. I'm not sucking Dick for money, but. The only thing that you're saying afterwards. Is You wake up the next day and say I'm gay, but you not because if you're sending me six, you not no, no, no, no, no back up a little bean. His response is after I. do it every. Day. homophobe that is. Because you say. I. Mean you got to think of like? The little bit of progression that we have made is not even fucking. Hug. Come on, hug your home. He's say I love you. You couldn't tell you can tell you a home in Uganda in twenty years ago. You know what I'm saying because that made you. Keep the progression going. Loaned I you. You wouldn't take life change. Right now. No. For. You Ain't put no cash on that. Note Let. Honey, Hon I. know the see. That's what I'm saying sexual sexual. This is only doing shit for monetary gain. We believe in sex work believe in sex where we support for sex workers, so yes, Ambro of you was blindfolded and you didn't know what was happening or who was. Still hard and he was still not. This is what I'm saying when it comes to sexuality like this. Story? Laurie. Although, we can told the story one of his home. He's got some head at a glory hole, and they say the Best Hedi of a guy. When he got done, addict came to the other side same own by. Return the favor. Very that's a scary moment that lets me know. WHY DO BBC came to? Like a you know you know. Dues probably suck dig better than women anyway. I'm not getting. Into this. Because you've got to think about a bro Y'all. Your lineup of every woman can tell you. Every lesbian bisexual women can tell you is eight by women better than it gets about men because they already know was down there, so you can imagine breath nickel. Probably get you together run now. Verno. We're thinking about though no, we're not. Everybody here is straight. Just listening I was challenged policy contests. that. Injury fee. Lose to a girl. What's up with? Pay His way to get in those shoot. No that's a terrible story I will. Say. Yeah well. I mean you still because he needs to see. That's what I'm saying, Bro. We. Like you know for Fed Bras Knicks that? We know in hanging out with his game or at least Super Feminine and don't nobody say nothing about them. Don't nobody like call them out because they. They like. Mahomed didn't various. He'd be like Bro. When if they tell me he's gay. Then believe he's gay boo for were. To tell me it ain't none, but maybe we ain't making that environment safe enough for to be comfortable enough to come out and say today, right? They always were heterosexual men, talking about put supposedly, and then they got a front and put on an act and say Oh, you know with good other night. Nick Lean never seen you. What a chick! We never seen with chip, or if we have see, it should just goes wrong. Quick for some reason. Come on, man at home I got home. I can't talk about it, but I'm just saying everything that every time he got involved with somebody within weeks, the ship was destroyed and he's like man. You really like hanging out with us a lot to cook. It's of like all signs. Pointing to straight men have got to be the ones to make the environment safe again so that there is no. There is deceitfulness there is no negative has to hide being getting like. Be Yourself Bro I get it. You enjoy diggings up by like that's fine. I'm here for it I personally don't know it goes for the brokers thinking when we say that's what I'm trying to ask what I was trying to say when I made the Post Bre. The thinking that says old. That's gay leads to Oh. It's okay to kill the gay person right, so it's like do says all gate as gate gate as gay. Then he, he's in the club. He drunk. He finds a bitch and she's like all four. He don't have no conversations. Another thing knicks don't be having conversations Brown Adam's apple checking lower trunk space Nikki I'm to fill that pussy to notice pussy like needs to be drawn, and just fucking, and then they. They find out a transvestite and then the NIGGA murders because it his mind. That's Gay Shit Oh. That's gay now. I'm gay. No, Nigga you saw a chick with some big titties as big as you thought it was a chick, then you'll dumb, as didn't make no questions or inquiries into the voice was so deep, and you just way and balls deep now you mad at her while you met hurt us the one that was getting out of the spin initiate Negu. Sexually attracted to sexually attracted to grow if a Nigga is dressed up like a chick, and you're sexually attracted to it. You're not necessarily gay. You're still attracted to what you thought was a woman. You know what I mean. Just because now she got gotTa Dick. You know. Maybe you should just like art piece I don't I'm not in. That particular. You know. They ever see India more. Named Bell. So changes. Now. Tell me what you think about. This. Young bookie's fucking. Funny brought, and that's what I'm saying broke you on poor her y'all ain't, but you ain't never been important accidentally. Attractively thing. You know it won't look like a woman. What else? Attractive not attractive I what? Jet Long Neck. Does, she does. Scared to say. Who are you going to ask him what? Does she look good? That's a good lookin Nigga. Yes, you know. That's a good looking new. She. Looks? Don't. You look amazing better doing honey. I'm not into that. This is simple as Simple as listen, look my. Heart because I know because I know like is not. You. Before you knew yet. But now I know. Watch Tosh, point Yeah, you bet. Contest rose eight on the news watching gay porn. Got Heart lost. The last Nigga standing like who didn't get. One. Passed down watching gay porn. Led the first negative guy. Or limitation process like Oh. The last Nigga standing was the winterburn. Hilarious, to see like a real like see just regular. 'cause like honestly. How long can you let it halftime? Weenie turned on by like the actual physical part. We hear about the audio. Sound made. Those sales this no matter what the sexiest broken you know, I'm not big. Oh! I'm. Talking about. Yeah. there. You may need to be comfortable when they sexuality you. Just well when I was young boy, it was like a time. I feel like most men have this moment, but we don't talk about it, but it was a town where I was like. Damn. Why Gay! Gay. I'll let me see. Yeah No, I'm comfortable. That ends like you don't know about being comfortable. Saying anything I have that moment, but I do have like the bell ringing my head, there's. Nothing wrong with certain things. I got attacked a few years ago because. Fact his deals page posted like singer enemy. Some gummy digs I'm like I love gummy. Bag of gummy. I'm GONNA fucking Komo. Thank you. You? Know I'm Nile Nicole. Is Wrong with you. You know you wouldn't need a bag of gummy and then. Said No, but but but then it goes. For me, it goes further into being like like. I know that I love women I. Know that I'm trying to women. You know what I'm saying. I can seen attractive man. It'd be like Damn, you know. Man Right. So what made went to a party. And you know maybe having them Damn Dick Shea cookies with ice mission on. Shoot shooting out and she'll. You Smash. As she bring the cookies home. I mean. I'll probably. Have, homophobia is to is to. Share I know Volvo just eat is separate. Like most like mostly the balls. I yeah you got to focus. The bill the filler right there. thinking. Now. There's certain. The. Gay until you ax nickel, but you just said sucking digging gain. No, no, no athlete to come up ain't gay. Is that a sexual act? Yeah, okay makes you know it. Don't it makes you gain won't do it for free. It's fluid y'all sexuality is fluid like literally one person you can, you can like in. The bombs are inactive sucking Dick. That's. How will be gay for three minutes for hundred? Thou- hundred. That's a good. Bus. See well when terms are five. That's. That's. Downright scary. AS DOWNRIGHT SCARY! Also. Got To be some extra money involved like I need. My kids kids kids. And then great grand granddaddy. He sucked the Dick to make sure that I got his Rose Royce I. Think the fair trade. Oh No, Oh, the car is the appreciate value. been here. Car Machine to this. We own on his land the autism? George deep down four hundred millions. Uh there's no way saying it out loud to straight man I understand how that sounds jarring, and that is held a jarring specially. We use words deep throat all the other stuff that comes with it. Sexual epithets yeah, because I mean because. It could be. To me, it could be anything from peck to just give the full blown Rosa You know hand. In Our HAMBRO. There to lick my ear jobs. Make the inside of my ear. I hear what you're saying. Brown. Fash Yummies is crazy. Crazy, yes, gay no! I'm here for that. We say crazy talk about that, but now man. Just we we have to we have to. We have to do better as people people. We can't be talking in fighting oppression when we oppress people within our so groups as necessary this what I'm what I'm getting at. But night is. I went on a rant. BRO WHAT THE FUCK! You Own! Nickel! Syndicate Stop Deborah I. Know you run. You Ain't going to be on you, Ain't you? Suck no Dick for no money. You don't even believe him when he was like. No, you right brought you right, but just saying the principle of the thing I wouldn't. I would not do it. if you feel me like even if a when money maybe you know. Would you? Oh, here you go! If every black person would be financially restored meaning, every black person in America gets reparations to the sound of a million point to a per black person. That's everybody in the nation bre for the next one he. Did for your people were. Of course a history. Loan. Van, DIJK will kill him. I last went on the car last night. Bro, we! We signed by reparations. Yes, Hamas, the Nichols getting into. Would you rather have land, or would you rather have money? Money, money comes with the land money. You can get land with money. Thomas Land Nixon, money you tell. Neither! Luca. Danni meal for the blow. Yes, poker. Star Michaela. Switch shop it now. Thank Money Oh no because. We we sat back for how long we are on. We got a four hundred your hair. Start on us. I don't feel a dollar amount on it and I don't feel like you could put. In. I mean essentially land is also a some kind of value, and I've had this conversation before, so I said I wanNA bring wheel bat 'cause we use actually talking about this. And as breaks and he's. Like what he said he said that. He said. Twenty five thousand dollars, a year for twenty years and free education will put black people. Further than where they are. Free Education, so you giving me twenty five thousand a year, so I got a family of four a before I even get a job. I'm making four are making a hundred thousand. A year and my kids get to go to college for free. You saying so was four people in the house in each of them. Get Twenty Five, k.. Yep so now, but you basically say money over Landau. Basically what that is, but but ideally I'm looking I'm looking toward the future. Though right so so education part is just as important. Did I need so i. need me some kind of I. Need some kind of paper I. Need my family to have. Less. Everybody just hey, but what happened. Why didn't you finish college was? To a degree with something to dillon with financially right I mean you ain't paying them back, you know. Why are you paying back? No. You say wearing a Finnish financial For the most part is usually for me. It was financial. School I couldn't I couldn't afford it. And the government said No. Your parents make enough money to where you can't afford it. You know what I'm saying and screw out had to leave right. And I'm pretty sure this. This same kind of story happy to most people so you have. You had this opportunity to get you get. You only get twenty five thousand a year for twenty years. So that means it means your kids fall under this umbrella of this money. And they also have a opportunity to get free education You know a a degree in the order to the workforce, so then after twenty years now. Now that that gap has lessened by a lot NUMB, 'cause they're free. We've we've seen it. Don't matter view educated it don't matter if you rich. If you black you still go on, you still get pulled over. You can still get shot by the cops. Say doesn't mean reparations. Don't mean that you are. You are free of racism. Yeah wasn't the question right, but I'm saying you want you push for education thing, and I'm telling you that. Thing that piece of paper that that that that we eliminate it from that white people have a better opportunity to get. That puts them better positions. They stuff like I'm not trying to get the. degree. Why are you taking it that do send? Education. To go to fuck it, first of all first of all you're one of the start of this is not going to be the same as your twenty at the end of it now through twenty years. What have we done as a people to put ourselves? In positions of becoming the network owners, and becoming the you know the employers versus the employees All you need is money. That's what I'm saying like. That comes with. You'll need the education. That's GONNA come with money. Money the Land Komo money everything in American I feel like I feel like it runs out of money if you don't if you don't if you don't if you not. If you know what you're doing and you, all should I got this land. I'M GONNA sell. Its commercial to target never. You don't fuck now now now. Now Joe People gone do twenty years from now. The suction is that we have enough money to make those mistakes and learn from because that's where rich people do they have? They have enough money to make re. Take risk and make mistakes still. Always something is black news preaching financial literacy I'm like stopped at give black people finance. They'll develop literacy. Like you have to have enough money. You give a Nigga a hundred million dollars right now. He's going to buy every Jordan every Maserati every like little interchange every everything he's ever wanted his life, and he's still going to have sixty. Million left to play with with that sixty million. He's GonNa make better decisions bro He. Like cushion that fall when? A very broad. This is GonNa be all good at three hundred K. nothing. I feel it, but I feel like what you're saying is. That's very broad. You can find good finding enough to fuck off. You can find anybody I. Cleaned it up. Fuck it all off. You can find somebody to do it. Yeah, very broad statement to say like I mean if you say like the average person. Yeah, but the majority of black people make smart investments while you'll have a small minority that actually tricks it off in stupid filming. It's going to be too many people. Right we. Go longer show. Degree own. Agree with you. Know we just. Don't agree with you, but we're going to close up. Gray Schoeberl. I. Gas To get a handshake on the pied. Stabbing. Depth them up. Women want to be asked that. We have. Nine Ele-. Yeah, no, no, not at all. Less is a real. Thank you for having through like this. y'All know juggle, be talking about this on vh. One's behind the music or behind the podcast. Talking about like. We've just in the dining room with it, and now we in the studio and like your way, brother the. Names is working in this, too many little is getting looked at so much that it's only a matter. Tom Before true talent is recognized in the city by thanks. Dante Brady A and for me. I, don't know how stieg pretty sure you feel the same as we are. We always know where you come through. It's going to be a good conversation. Love so whenever? I'm coming back home for family few. Yeah, but you gotta come back and telephone gotTA. They gotTA. They gotTA. They gotTA. They gotTa Arab boy. Bore heard I've read your brothers thing i. read the whole thing the story behind this crazy. nejd his point of view. We got we'll talk about. We'll talk about what talking about. We'll talk about anything emplo before I close this out. y'all check me out Mr Spread. Love AK Lance Newman I will be playing a role in Romeo and Juliet and actors. Theaters play in January. Coming up catch me on. Social Media's the pandemic, so doing the Nelson like it. Lands I saw. What are you lives? Dog and I know we get out of here. I WANNA lives. And this is I was like man. Look at my Nigga having bars. He's he's he's that the I think he was across the street from after the Dave Makati. Shooting and he was, he was recording and I think a reporter came up to you and ask you a question. You Bar that Nigga the fun. Out even remember what you said e barring fuck say bowl patrols booker. She was like trying to the news. Always puts a spin on. They do commentary and say oh so. You think that's all you need to do. As vote I'll say is one of the strategies as I. don't even believe it, but like definitely barter up. Because the media is, you cannot fuck entrust them. My homegirl was on a new US at the at Bernie Bernie, sanders rally, right and They asked her specifically. What do you wish he would spoke about and then when I put her in. The way they edited it. They don't know what question they ask. Like she was Disney see you know what I'm saying, and that's local news says terrible s fucking crazy. Crazy, you'll surprise. That was after you, you're doing. It was after after her, so I was glad to see you just borrow flow. Nowhere so. Yes the. We can't use that on the. Damage. He didn't do any damage present. A. Real quick on the me. Trying to shut out the last episode you we got we got. We got new listener so. Let me find al-Qaeda yes, so lance was on episode forty seven as well so if you enjoy this show with Lance. Make sure you go back and check out episode forty-seven Stop Line to your kids, his urs, for classic classic. As always make sure you. Follow the podcast on social media pages. We try to do a little bit better and you filming. We try new. Song and new pot flow underscore pod on twitter. NEW PABLO PODCAST on instagram. Make sure you subscribe if you night. Have you just came across this? Because we made the charts, make sure you subscribe to the motherfucking podcast. Follow on spotify I tuned stitcher heart radio everywhere. PODCASTS are streamed. We are there okay, and then make sure you do the most important thing that's right. The Lord's work make sure you do where telephone to tell a friend about the pike. As if you fucking SUV and I one the won't give you know motherfucking pushing grip on a desert on the shooter's Britches ankles off This listen I. Am your conscience. 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Instant Reaction: TREY LANCE IS THE PICK AT 3

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Instant Reaction: TREY LANCE IS THE PICK AT 3

"Now that the nfl draft is here you need to subscribe to the sp nation nfl. Show our team of national and local experts at the nfl draft covered from every angle. Plus we're bringing in big name guests and leaving mind from around the industry subscribe to the sp nation nfl. Show wherever you get your podcast for the best coverage of the nfl draft and beyond what up everybody. Welcome to the niners nation. Instant reaction podcasts. The pick is in. It is trey lance. We did a live draft show on the forty on the niners nation. Facebook page and youtube pages so what we decided to do was instead of doing a separate instant reaction pod. We had everybody in the pool for the live reaction show so we make that into the instant reaction pod so here is that show starting from when the forty niners made the pick at number three. I talked to. Mike tannenbaum this week. And he said basically they put the name on the card then they say to somebody read the name back to me just to double check like literally that they have all this right before they actually send the car into the pick is now trae lance according to twitter wall really is isn't it i. I'm stunned i am. I mean if that's true just witter trae lance trae lasts guys who are kp. You're the biggest. Field ewing were the biggest field stands. I know what. What is it that kyle saw in trae lance that put him over the edge. I mean is probably going way back way way way back. That was the information that we got the forty niners in entree lance before all of this. So i imagine the youngest quarterback moldable. So i don't think he has a high ceiling. I think jacksonville. Does i really do think though that trae lance is the most pro ready quarterback. I don't think that narrative is true. When we're talking about mack jones so just you know you run system. He has a big arm he can rocky can really really run big guy and in a way he will do what you say conservative. He won't ever risk. So that's why. I think that caution the niners like love. And he's twenty years old like he's going to be so most better the more he plays think about it. He started one at Still he's going to be so much better even two years from now i would say too bad guys i. This is not a hedge and nick knows this. I've been on the locker rooms a lot for weeks. And i've said sixty five percent fields thirty five percent lance and i said that consistently it all my mocks and said look and i was fueled. I i give you that ten. I said that seven and a half. I still think that seven and a half could be higher. I am actually stoke. It's not mac. I'm excited to see what happens with them. I like freelance a lot. I really do so. I'm i'm actually pretty excited. Wonder what you really came down to. The fact that lance never turn the ball over and kyle is talked about how he hates turnovers and the dow is probably his biggest complaint about johnny. So in that way it makes sense that they went out and got. The quarterback didn't throw an interception in the season that he played nate. You're looking down right now. You look absolutely deflated. What is going through your mind. I just the guy. Justin feels was there and you pass up on him and he's gonna come back and he's gonna come beat you. You're gonna look like idiots. And it's just i don't know i just felt like i just felt. Justin feels the most sure thing in this draft in. He had the best tape in everything and they took trae lance. And we'll see what happens now but it feels like one day we're going to play justin fields on whatever team ends up on. He's going to beat us in. We're going to remember this day. And we could add justin field in. Kyle said nope. I won't trae lance and you know this. Is it like if they mess this up. Then this is the nfl shannon. And so if he's that confident like good for him. But i feel like they really messed up and just field was the most obvious bicker. Put it on the more important stuff. I buy my wife a trae lance jersey. Because she's a nurse. Okay a cash. You look mildly amused. I think you're a little disappointed. Or how are you feeling right. Now phone's blowing up for one. Yeah you know. I've i've heard that it's been a tray. Land sussing fields from the get-go never thought it was going to be mack jones. The fact that the forty niners consistently put out that they thought trae lance was the smartest quarterback in the class. Continue to lead me to believe that was just in fields they were. They were being honest with what was being via adam. Schefter and important report from sunday on at least half of it and ultimately that's where they go and you know everyone was thinking mcdonalds mcdonalds mack jones and shanahan bets lances upside principal tool. I do think he has things to work on and person. That's why i always like justin feels better. Bought adam schefter say that Trae lances psychological tests off the chart. They think he's a smart quarterback class by all means. I know everyone thinks highly of his character. And just i think everyone's been just throwing a lot of praise him and you know you guys robin. Kp spoke with him earlier this year and i remember exit immediately and you said it's easy to root form when he spoke with him. And so it's it's a bummer. Obviously just because. I thought it was gonna be field but i it's trae lance at least not maximums jones in the end of the day. Like that's the thing optimistic about which you know me. I have about everything at least. It's not freaking mack. jones. I don't have to watch that idiot around trying to football and just look i. The thing about it is at least. They have a mobile quarterback who could make plays the accuracy. Things scares me so bad. Because we've had a quarterback who has no accuracy. But i just you know. The justin feels scares me but like at least they did not get back jones. I just don't get training this much trae lance. That doesn't make any sense to me. But that's what they did and that's what we're gonna live with. Trae lancer no matter. What baby whatever. Okay hang on what. I don't get now if it's dreamland. Why the secrecy. Yeah they didn't want to let the league know what they were doing. David you have a point you wanted to make. No i think i think this is the thing like i said you know like i said ten eyck. Qb fields is my qb one. I said seven and a half because of the accuracy things that i feel like head on a little bit. There's a reason though. I said thirty. Five percents fields. Or excuse me lance one because i know we know that there are people on the front offset love lance and i can guarantee you this. That's what's actually encouraging to me about this. It's not just kyle forcing trae lance. There are multiple people within the organization that with the bad portray. Lance and kyle was not stubborn in this situation. Kyle didn't say come. Hell or high water was going to be my show. And i'm going to push this through. Okay he collaborated and they worked together on this as a process and i think that's actually relatively hopeful. And and furthermore late. I'm just telling you. I've said this all my mocks. I firmly believe that lance has the potential to be the best in class. And i'm pretty sure that kyle feels the same way and so stoked about it. Let me ask you this Marco let's go to you. Know the niners make this trade. All of a sudden they ask trae lance to go work out with john. Belk what do you think they saw in those workouts with back that made them say lances guy over justin fields. Who as we talked about kyle shanahan had had a previous relationship with a day when they seem trae lances film. They seen that he had a little a hitch in his death. Throes see he would it every time he would throw no matter what i think. They wanted to see if when he was working with his previous coach. If they actually did take that out of his throat because that message his accuracy a lot when you could take that out. That shows you your coach player. You're still young. I've talked to people. They had him as the highest rated quarterback in terms of being the smartest quarterback of so they. Yeah they had a smart quarterback. But now you you have all the tools. He has probably the strongest arm in the draft class of him adjustment. They're up there for the top south arm shrink end of the day. I think what they seem. They got back from john becht was he super duper duper smart and he was very coach. Belong with john belk. He would call john belk of late and you. Hey john of what do i need to work with. Talk to me. I'm at the house. I wanna work. I wanna hurt tummy. Wanting to do i want to work on my foot work. What can i do in john. Bechtold will i'm not going to sugarcoat. Anything of your footwork is bad right. Now get a get going and within the two weeks that he does wisdom if it were changed drastically so i think the for honors made a made a good pick. They took trae lamp or by the way A great big. That's a great pick four Who with trae. Lance you get a player who is capable of being the franchise guy move forward. And he's a leader. I've gone back every time i talked to. People said either leader. He's a leader easily leader. That's that's that's the thing that i think we need to focus on it by the way there's a you know. Keep film room. i like him. He's from minnesota to minnesota. And here's what freelances from minnesota. So this guy really tressler evaluation. I think in that offense was asked to do a lot. He's asked to. Control the line of scrimmage a run first offense people that said oh huey pass x amount of game. That wasn't his choice. he wasn't like a guy. Tuck and run. I'm just gonna run it. I and not go through my progressions. I think honestly wants. You could go back and look at this. And i guess. That's the reason why i had lance as i had lance tie with lawrence for qb. To i had moved wilson down to four. And i had jones like mid way down the line. I got twitter receipts. Show that okay i. I'm actually really excited. Because the the side and i think he can play right away. I do not subscribe the idea. That he has to sit for your. I think that bowl we're going to get to that. I want to read some of the comments here. I'm telling you guys i can scroll through. The reaction is negative. Mostly people are not happy. This comment i thought from rookie. Thornton was really good. He's watching on facebook. Kyle values accuracy but picks the worst one in that category. Akash ricky's comments. Seems pretty good to me. What what would you about real quick like trae lance specifically like we're thinking about what jimmy lack and that was the ability to move around in the pocket to make plays off schedule. We have now right but the problem is the accuracy when you watch the film is bad like the the accuracy for bat but at the same time you are getting an athlete who hate this word but has could potentially have a higher ceiling than justin fields. The problem is is just an field. Felt like he was literally catered to what kyle shanahan wanted to do. And the fact that it's not just in fields is why people are angry because it felt like justin fields had the accuracy. He had the deep ball. He had they off schedule plays he had the athleticism and they pass on that for this guy. Who while isn't a bad pick jones but it's still it's disappointing because they could have had something that i felt was going to be truly special A mustang lance isn't truly special just felt like field was really really special to the point. Where like this team was going to run the league for years to come and they still could but the fields thing is just it sucks or quick hold on. I want to ask the question originally leo. Sorry and then we'll get to you. We've heard enough from the niners nation. Show dammit no. Lance does seemingly have the worst accuracy. So how do you explain this. Yeah so the problem with this is at least skies like us guys in the media fans who evaluate quarterbacks whatever you base your evaluation solely off of film right film you read you. Listen all that kind of stuff and that's all you have and that's only half. Nfl teams do way more digging than we obviously do in terms of what these guys characters are. What their tangible 's are how the process the game how they communicate that stuff like so they go way deeper into that stuff than we do right. And we're basing our evaluation evaluation or who we think Could take should take based off of tape and like analytics numbers things like that and in all those different phases justin fields. At least right now is the better player compared to trait lance right Whether it was fake. Any passing statistics. I thought doesn't feel quarterback at the moment and given his physical tools. I thought his ceiling would be as close between with trae lances right but i thought trae lantis floor would be a lot lower and ultimately that would lead the forty niners. Just field but I guess trae lances intangibles must just be off the charts whether it was through the interviews with the draft process or through working with john belk or through some of these tests that they've You know had had lance take. Sounds like they thought he was the smartest quarterback in the class. I think as much as kyle values accuracy values of processor. And that's what everyone thought mack jones was and it looks like trae. Lances elite skill might not be physical skills that might be his intellect and is character and things like that intangibles that ultimately helped him land with the forty niners of three leo. What's up. What are we going to your. Yeah she's just. I'm gonna sign up here. And i wanted to get by my reaction of before i went ahead and did so man. I wanna justin feels It's going to be very interesting to see where justin fields goes now Because you got on the clock and then Who knows like if he ends up with a team like the patriots. Good god give him bill ballot check in that supporting cast over there They're getting better As far as like he's added more added jonnu smith knows. Now ular they've got in better So with the forty niners at a cost said that when it came to the fore someone who's better. Who's a better quarterback. Now i think justin fields is a better quarterback now and a lot of people have been stating ceiling ceiling ceiling sailing with trae lance and i re related that ceiling to well is what because he could run juby power. Juba sleep in the nfl because he has that. That is at least more than just fields. But how much did don beck said. That cal shannon. That's a wrinkle in his office. That's not something he wants to stable. And i believe that because shanahan wasn't too too happy with rg three that one year that he add them with the washington football team. So i know i should. Obviously i really do. But i think this does translate into jimmy. Garoppolo being the quarterback for the forty niners. Ny say that is because john beck said that trae lance probably got city year Could he start week one. Yes but is that necessarily translate into wins. No and i think when you're at where kyle shanahan his at the moment with his forty nine or ten year you wanna win this year. You have a lot of one year contracts on the board and you wanna keep get back that momentum that you had in two thousand nineteen So i think. I think we could really see jimmy. Grapple starter week one in. That's why get bummed out the most. Don't be bombed leo. I wanna read this comment. And thanks for hopping leo. We do appreciate it. This comment comes from bob. Jelly says if you trust your head coach you should trust his pick levin. We should've trusted you. Because you predicted that trae. Lance was going to be the pick so congratulations. How do you feel being right. Go ahead drink it. All in you know pat yourself on the back. Lucky you you get to do a podcast with me. Every week i guess it's really had any inside info it just looking at the prospects and the type of things kyle likes and i went with trae lance like i said i thought was right there with them so i thought it was pretty much a toss up and i just didn't see concrete reason why to swap in the lead up to the draft. But yeah like i'm obviously excited by wife. Who is downstairs is already text me saying i guess i get a new a new shirt many jersey man. It's perfect for me. It's a guy that i thought was At the top of the draft class and a guy that is perfect for domestic tranquillity as my father would say okay. I'll enter this comment. This comes in from johnny sue and i apologize if i mispronounced. Your name. Watson mahomes fields. Now we'll go with cousins beth thirds and fcs land. That's just me. Can we be happy for a night. That's all i'm saying like i get it that. We all have a person that we picked that we think is going to be the guy that we wanna be the guy and if it's not your guy get while you're sad and you're disappointed. I makes sense to me but can we all admit that kyle shanahan knows more about football. It's probably spent more time than any of us break in this thing down until we see lance on the field we have no idea and and kaia clearly has more knowledge than us. Can we not be happy at least just for tonight. If not until they get on the field david back me up here. Yeah and this is the thing. Do i want to counter like we can have. We're all you know. Have respect for each other that we can disagree. Like with leo on the footwork. I actually think trae. Lance has excellent. Footwork has has some the best footwork of anybody in the draft. And i twenty eight touchdowns. Two zero interceptions average depth of target. Eleven point five. What does that tell me. He's pushing the ball down the field. He's been asked to do that when he does it. Okay so that's going to mitigate some of those accuracy issues he's nineteen years old nineteen years old the at one year people are gonna penalize them for covert. I am telling you. There is not just raw tools that it's not just a good interview He this intelligence is real. Iq is real and kyle best the number one accuracy. Great the accuracy. Accuracy ball placement touch all goes into that piece of the puzzle. Here and the reason again. I'm gonna go back to this. I felt kyle preferred fields. I think he may have what this shows you though is that people always talk about ocal trade for bathroom or kyle moved up for his guy. This shows you that. This is a process and people in that room matter. Rix ganger elo. Adam peters on down the line i think that's encouraging to me and i'm not a homer far from it but so yeah i told you this that like fueled qb one. I'm not gonna lie not edging but there's a reason why i'm not that i'm actually pretty excited. So at the end of the day kyle shanahan and his offense. Now have a dual threat. The league to deal with exactly the end result though league has to deal with. Kyle shanahan having quarterback who was able to also run. And they really haven't seen that before. I mean you could go back to. Rg three but that really wasn't kyle's quarterback. This is going to be the first time kyle gets his guy. And he's able to have a dynamic did the league honestly won't be able to account for because we all know kyle gets guys open. It is very rare that a play doesn't work out and it's just up to the quarterback to find the right spot in time but in the rare case. Let's just go out on a limb here and say mike mcglinchey gets burn and misses his guy trae. Lance could actually turn that into a positive that is the new dynamic that this team has. John lynch is going to speak and kyle shanahan going to speak to the media in about ten minutes. It'll be interesting to hear now that they could actually speak what they're going to say. I'm sure the first question they're gonna be asked. Is jimmy garoppolo. Still going to stick around nate. Now that you know it's lance do you want garoppolo or do you want to give the keys to the kid and let's go so i've been kind of quiet. I've been sitting here. You probably see on camera. I look like i'm drinking. i think i would be. I would be mortified if it was mack jones this because i said so many times that. There's no reason in taking mack jones. When you have jimmy garoppolo i just. My biggest thing is like why i'm curious. Now is wise fields falling like this when he's as good as we've all seen on film and we've all said he's one of the best quarterbacks in the straps kind of befuddled by that but at the same time like i don't think there's any reason to keep jimmy garoppolo. I think that it should be a quarterback competition. Between lance and rosen and whoever wins. That's the quarterback. Get rid of jimmy. Garoppolo get him out of here. There's no reason to pay like twenty six million dollars to be sitting there. When we know trae landscape there and trae lance will eventually start. Here's this point. Because i don't think personally when i watched the film of trae lance even with accuracy issues. I don't think trae lance is going to give them a noticeable advantage. I think that trailing will give them a noticeable advantage over jimmy garoppolo because he can run the football and so when jimmy garoppolo goes out there and throws three picks against the damn arizona cardinals next season trae lance is sitting right there and get rid of jimmy that i don't even want to get to that point i want trae lance to start week one. I want him to come out. I want him to jimmy. i want. i won't to eat a man get him ready and i don't. I don't think there's any reason that jimmy garoppolo should be on this team. Pass tomorrow still even those trae lance now if it was like we were twelve and we took kellyn monde or something like that. Yeah sure but it was still even when i watched lance. He still better than jimmy. It's just the accuracy issues that worry me no matter how an you know. It's the thing is is fields. Felt like he was ready to start now. Lance say weightier. But let's still better than jimmy garoppolo marco. What do you think jimmy garoppolo still on the team or you think that lance is going to get the keys to the kingdom king so the kingdom. Even though you don't wanna do that. Usually what i would say is i. I wanna quarterback or player. When i pick them in the first round to go compete in win that starting job. I don't want you to do. This is all yours. The entitlement issue you know. So i think they're going to want to get the keys they might end up feeding. Jimmy garoppolo tonight. Trade them tomorrow. Who knows i would get rid of jimmy garoppolo because trae lance is a quarterback who is been out of football for a year and a half. He needs to get back to clinton football. You're not going to send them for two and a half years and today it's a really need trae lands to get as much as possible. He's young you could. You could live with the ups and downs right now. He's the rushing floor is there. He's gonna keep you in game because he's capable of escaping the pocket when the Collapses you capable of running for extra first downs. And i think that's today we look at cow shanahan. The way he seized is okay. Well jimmy garoppolo inaccurate already as it is so. He's not that far off from the accuracy trae landscape throw a better deep ball. Trae lancia's more mobile than he is. So i think you have to give trae last the keys to the offense to hey. I'm moldy my office around you. Like i did to jimmy garoppolo and i want you to do what you do. Best go out there. And and i'll say this to who do we see. Who did we see. Kyle glow the most over last season as after oppressor. Who was the guy who general. Josh allen i believe strongly i know trae lance is to me and other nineteenth raw trae plants. I believe costume a hand takes three. He thinks we've got planes flying overhead. We we. I think he believes it. Trae lance is a more polished version and honestly a smarter version of josh allen. More of an. And i actually think he's feels like he could even be more physically gifted version and this is. This is something that i think. We need to pay attention to. Everybody thinks that kyle had type. You know what this shows. that's all bullshit. Okay like that shows that. Kyle's ready to unlock a different level of this offense. And i am excited to see where this goes. And like i said with marco he's athlete. He goes into compete. He goes with that alpha mentality. And i see him if he doesn't start week want i think he's starting by the way and jimmy's gone. Jimmy gone this weekend okay. They're gonna make a move. I actually mock. They might have something ready to go. Look at jacksonville. Had tibo coming in and cj bathroom governor menchu is waiting out there he can be had for peanuts. Okay and i think that would be a a ninety bridge. Quarterback would just a quality backup. I think that. I think that's a move to what so broke nick. One thing trae the player a lot of people compare them to was obviously josh allen. But i think you know as much as i could play in about the and this is just me rationalizing things i guess. Whatever is people talking about mahomes a lot. Mahomes had really bad accuracy issues when he came out of texas tech. And when you watch lance you see this accuracy issues. He figured those out and when he figured those out he became the best quarterback in the league. So there's a possibility that trae lance could be that it just sucks. It's like once again. Just because i just i really like just a little. But at the same time it wasn't like they picked a bad player. Me and levin talked about this when they first made the trade like. Yeah i to just field. But when he mentioned atlanta's was like yeah i don't want trae lance because i think jacksonville is better but it wasn't like they were getting bad pick as long as it was between those two guys if mac when mack jones came into the conversation was when things got annoying because it was like you cannot betrayed not many picks to go get freaking mack jones. Come on that guy's not going to be a top twenty pick tonight. We'll look at this. Interestingly enough the dolphins draft jalen waddell had heard rumors they liked him. But this pits chase. Waddell okay you went. You went big time skills skill skill. Nobody's trading out. I thought the dolphins would be in a spot where somebody's interested in fields. Prime spot the trade back. Guess what sounds so. There's some there's something going on here and there might be. I'm wondering if if there's even some medical things that we don't honestly i don't know and but something is up for hold on. Let me just throw this. Maybe ernest drummond in his watching on facebook right now and he is ripping us constantly our carrying. Kyle shanahan water. How shannon is the worst quarterback evaluator in the league. Listen to our podcast rob. 'cause we kyle all the time throughout the season for decisions. He made ernest by dude. You're telling me you know better than kyle shanahan. I'm not telling you that. Lance is better than fields kyle. Shanahan is the forty niners organization is telling you that. So if you're going to sit here and accuse us carrying water. Like i think that they know a little more than you. Now maybe they on the field. And maybe you're right. Maybe fields is awesome and lance can't throw his way out of a paper bag but all the information we have right now says lance is better. And i'm sorry if you don't like hearing that but how about a little faith how about a little. You know confidence in kyle shanahan who we all think is a great head coach. Let's let's give him the benefit of the doubt. That's all i'm saying. It the broncos by the way and that's where he's gonna go watch they will take. Carolina comes in. Could detroit go with. Justin fields in mid goff is not they took. Gherardi took pen icy. Well yeah so the other thing is we have not talked about it but rob asked a while ago now. What is going to be the topic of the future. Now that the draft is happened. What could become a big story either later tonight or throughout the weekend with a lane of going with pits does that make the julio potential trade more likely i would say makes them more likely but we could see a. Julio storyline become a big deal throughout the weekend i. I don't think julio make sense financially. I don't think that tying that contemplating cap hit their sense. Look i i love. Julio who use a transcendental Get talent in the nfl But at this point with the extensions that you're looking at with fred. I think they can add some wonderful talent within this draft still at receiver. I love this receiver class. I love julio. But i think acquiring him what's it gonna take. What capital do they have left. I don't think it's going to take much. They have nothing okay. How much do you think it would take. I don't think they're gonna get offered more than a couple of mid round picks but if i'm atlanta i'm not willing to make the deal that's all being offered but if they choose okay we. We need to clear cap space then. I think that's where he's going to fall. He's going to be had for. Maybe a third round pick this year and a future second or something along those lines. All right we're going to wrap it up pretty soon. But i wanted to ask one more question. And that is we not trae lance. Now how do you define success for this. Pick in two thousand twenty one you. We don't even know if he's going to start. But this you know this move is pretty damn important. I'll throw it out to you. I nate how do you define success in two thousand twenty one. Now that you know the forty niners have trae lance. I think the biggest thing is going to be what happens over this next weekend if jimmy garoppolo has gone and you know kyle saying starting quarterback as much as he did starting quarterback starting quarterback starting quarterback if trae lance is the quarterback on at levi's on week one. Then i think that's already a success. The fact that you were able to bring him out and be the starting quarterback and then from there the next success will be them then having him make the playoffs and able to great defense because we all know the forty niners have a great defense. And they're going to have a great defense next year as long as this defense is able to play like we think they should then they should make the playoffs. I think winning the nfc west would be amazing. But matthew stafford in the los angeles rams are gonna say something different because trae lances so much of a guy you have to wait to get really going but if they win the nfc west. That's an immediate success if they're going to wildcard that's a success if they don't make the playoffs even with trae lance. That's when i'll probably be pretty mad. But i'm trying to be optimistic all the time. The hype train never stops to matter. Who the quarterback is and it was mac john. The hype was gonna stop field. But it's not it's trae lamps. Let's try this levin. How do you to success in. Twenty twenty one. I think it said over under if you remember from a couple of shows ago we talked about with eleven wins. I think with seventeen games. Eleven and six is kinda the over under if they went eleven games. There were likely making the playoffs. And you're pretty happy whether that means a division or what you know that now changed the level of happiness but you're happy at eleven and six if it's ten and seven. I think you're going to be a little disappointed because like nine or eight. Said you have all this time around and the only question mark was quarterback so ten and seventy dislikes where you start to feel disappointed in like you didn't quite do enough now. That obviously assumes the niners have average health on this roster rather than the health of they had last year but that. That's where i would put it yet. I i would say that. I think you guys got to keep in mind. This team went thirteen and three with an elite defense. But with jimmy garoppolo I in the ball bounce a lot of different ways to help them get to thirteen and three. We got a seventeen game schedule. I can guarantee you. This kyle is going to be able to you. Talk about the short game. That's all that's jimmy. Did i guarantee you that. Trae lance can operate a short to intermediate game with the threat of his physical talent. Just as well at better the first year as a rookie. I guarantee you. He can play. I guarantee you. It's not going to be a problem. And he actually thrived in the short game where jimmy throw the ball anyway. It trae landscape up something off if you need him to and he also pushed down the field. And guess what. Marco was the one that told me this marco. Remember this guy. You told me last week that said the last thing you heard the meetings that meetings that they were closing the meetings and marco's the man here markos got these connects. marco said. They said the last thing they talked about was pushing the ball down the field i think that ultimately they look at a guy like freelance is the guy. That's gonna be the one that can do that. That has the threat that you that you look at those widely flays you the threat for him to actually move on a boot. This is gonna be a whole wrinkle. That i think the people are the league. Is i guarantee right now. Fans on the page or a little bit disappointed. Possibly i guarantee you coaches the nfc. West are not excited about this. I'm telling you they want us to drop mack jones. Like i've heard from seattle many people in arizona that they wanted us have mac jones so at the end of the day. Like we didn't take the guy that they all wanted us to take. It's just like the one thing i'm worried about is that we're going to be sitting a year watching this football team. Not make the playoffs again. Because our quarterback isn't ready and that's the one thing i worry about but we think about josh allen. He made the playoffs the first year in the second year in his third year now like he was in the afc championship. So it's always that chance it's just it comes back down to you know it's just we don't know the problem is trey. Lancet only played like a season like we have no idea what we're in for smart. Kyle's the guy like this is what we chose them fields. Who's familiar with. We have to go but at the same time it. Just there's so many so much uncertainty with trae lance over justin fields. That scares me and it really scares me away where this is a win now. Football team with a lot of one year contracts. And if they don't win this year than i don't know man like i think that they're gonna i think the trae lance buys them time. But if we're sitting two or three years down the line and trae lance sucks gone fast. You can say the word underneath the words underneath the fender mark. I'll give you the last word. I think trae lanston quarterbacks who ends up winning a super bowl would kyle shanahan because kyle shanahan is gonna have that way on his shoulder where he has to be a perfect. Oc he's in a allowed trae lance to be that quarterback moving forward. I think a win season for me to say that the fernandez had a good first year with trae lengths. I think they're gonna make the playoffs loser. Lance i think his name of the starting quarterback is going to be capable of taking them to a eleven and five ten seven records. They're going to be a very strong team team working to see them in the playoffs because of his upside rushing upside I actually really liked to pick. I mean i. I look like i don't like the pit i really do. I might look like that pissed off. But i'm more more upset because i had justin field a little bit higher on my ranking So for me. I would have the obvious. Teams are gonna regret passing on justin. Fill today. And i think the two best quarterbacks in the draft class when being justin feels and trae lance at the end of the day so i'm fine with either one of them i think trae lance will end up winning a couple of rules. San francisco forty niners. Well if you told me going in the forty niners would end up with one of the best quarterbacks in the entire draft class. I would have taken that so. That's what you telling me. I'm going to buy it for now. I'll believe it and look. Let's go get it now. Not the work is just beginning around. Goget get najji. Come on harris. Bring him back here. That's tonight bring back to me. One prediction left one prediction since dried entree lance rods. Going to understand this prediction. I'm predicting the trae. Lance will be the new spokesman of hidden. Valley ranch puts rancho pizza. Like i don't know if i could root for that. I don't need so we're actually nope. Nope that's we're renting the show. I want everybody watching on facebook and youtube and periscope. Thank you very much. We really appreciate it. Nate david levin marco awesome job. Guys really appreciate it. If anything else happens with the niners we will jump back in. Do not worry but for now. Thanks for watching enjoy the trae lance thing lease. Be happy now.

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Washington-Giants Preview & Pick

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So yeah i think it's gonna wind up next door and as frustrating is it is You know is philly. That's what happened with the giants. That's what happened. Yeah those are also not stadiums. that are So difficult to get to. I mean philly's pretty easy to get in and out of and so in the meadowlands is to and and the bottom line is in jersey. There's no place for a downtown stadium in manhattan of football stadiums. And that's why those stadiums have always been in those locations. You know i would think and this is just a guess. I would think that jason right would have a better chance at sitting down and least being somebody that muriel bowser would look gatt in her group and would say well at least this guy's not an asshole and the problems not bowser she. She was on board with this. The problem is the city council. Okay well i'm saying council to a couple years ago lost you know. Washington lost their their biggest champion stadium and jack evans. So i'm not sure that. Make up the current council Which was really basically slicked right down the middle before would would be in washington's favour this time. Yeah i get that. I get that i think this time though. Don't you think that this city will have the most leverage it's ever had in a negotiation with washington. I mean they're not going to have to pay for anything are they. If he gets any assistance from any jurisdiction it'll be for the roads and and other stuff right. It's going to have to pay for the stadium. I think you're gonna be right on this. I think in twenty twenty eight. We're going to be opening up a brand new stadium in landover off of exit sixteen. Which is the the one exit takes your right to fedex field or from seventeen or seventeen be. I've got that right. Correct landover exits. I think so. I don't know. I find it by then. There could be a metre stop out there. Yeah yeah you never know. What do you think the crowds going to be tonight. Well everybody that. I've talked to in the know. Says the paid fifty two but it was closer to forty to forty five on sunday. But an enthusiastic. You said forty five. But i talked to somebody that confirmed that so you but but an enthusiastic forty five on sunday. What do you think it's going to be tonight. A thursday night game the traffic. It's a jewish holiday. It's yom kippur. What do you think it's going to be tonight. I think it'll be enthusiastic. Giants crowd I think it's going to be less than what they had. On sunday I think it'll still be enthusiastic. Hopefully we're talking enthusiasm And But i don't think that they'll end up drawing the crowd they. They drew on sunday on a beautiful sunday afternoon for a one o'clock. That's my guess. I saw them promoting thirty dollar tickets. and i don't know what they are on stubhub. I'm assuming you can get 'em for hardly anything. I'm gonna look it up right now. And see what they have Stub hub redskins giants looking at stub hub tonight Yeah they've got. They'll they'll be a lot of giants fans there. I mean giants while they stunk. It's too early in the season for giant fans to not make the trip stubhub showing the lowest cost of a ticket of sixty three dollars and the team is selling the team. I think is his got tickets for thirty bucks. Okay you know what i'll say they get at least what they got on sunday and that it's very enthusiastic We're going to how many how many giants fans a lot. But i think the thursday night part of it and the jewish holiday part of it. I think we'll be impactful. You may be right so that would be my guess on the crowd tonight. These thursday night games have typically produced lower scoring games. Last i looked it up last year. Nine unders six overs in the game. If you're curious. I'm sorry back Two years ago when there were fans They tend to be a poorly plates and sloppy games. Coaches and players hate them We'll give you our keys. Go through washington beats the giants if we've got predictions on the game and we will both weigh in on what we think. Taylor heineke will do tonight. We're going to start before we get to that though with a story that john crime put out this morning Very early this morning. And i talked about it at the very end of the radio. Show if you missed the radio show this morning. Download the odyssey app. You can listen to my interview. With ron rivera. Rivera by the way told me that He it's it's it's now probably six times that he said my biggest concern about my team is its maturity and he blamed last week's loss in the teams maturity and he said they're essentially implying that they're just not being disciplined enough Within the scheme you know. What's become very clear about ron reverse coaching and scott turner's coaching and in jack del rio. They have a scheme and they don't want you to deviate from it. There's a lot of marty in what they're doing. Defensively like this is the way we want you to do it. This is the technique we want you to use. This is your responsibility. And if you deviate affects everything else that we are trying to do with this particular call now. I don't know who's deviating the most who's freelancing the most maybe But a couple of a couple of more games with bad defensive performances with him talking about maturity. I think we're going to be able to identify the player or two that they're most frustrated with But anyway Listen to the rivera interview He he's pretty. He's pretty good he also you know he he. He loves himself. Kyle allen tommy. I'm telling you. These guys love kyle. And i just think that it's not gonna take a whole hell of a lot for taylor heineke to lose this opportunity with kyle allen now being totally healthy and ready to go because you know kyle. Alan does kyle. Allen is mature with respect to playing the way they want him to play understanding system and doing his part to make the play at scott turner's designed in called work. Taylor is more agile. Which i like is the coaches quarterback in other words. When i must say that. I mean you know. The coach tells them what to do and he does it. They like taylor though. They liked the way he's gamer. They like they like how he connects with the players and how the players like him and there's a leadership thing there so he's got that opportunity. We'll get to that. I i i got off track here. I want to tell you about john. Crime story john. Crime wrote a story about washington's quarterbacks over the last thirty years essentially going back to mark rippin. It's really the end of the ninety three season which was mark ribbons last Rippin had the run from essentially eighty nine ninety ninety one. Ninety two ninety. Three ninety three was richie's year. He actually got hurt in that season. Miss some of that season came back. Late shouldn't have because the season was over Since then washington had a not a washington washington has had thirty st- actually thirty one. Different starting quarterbacks including ryan fitzpatrick who obviously only played three series what. Espn did is. They went back and they use their analytics department. Espn analytics and they ranked those thirty quarterbacks from best to from worst to best based on a ton of different analytics numbers regular season passing a fish efficiency. Waited passing yards waited There's a bunch of things that were factored in here and then after the analytics department ranked them you know one to thirty time weighed in with his thoughts. Time actually called me about this and asked me a couple of questions about what i thought on this list and who is the worst and who are the best cetera But let me just tell you that. The worst ranked quarterback among the thirties mark sanchez. Okay sanchez started one game. They don't count fitzpatrick here because he only played three series in one game. Sanchez was the worst right now. Heinecke is the second worst i dunno. I dunno how his one start against. Tampa bay somehow has him in the twenty nine position. the quarterback to me that was most out of place ranking wise was mark brunell. Who came in at twelve. Look listen to some of the names. Okay that are in front of brunell and tell me you don't think brunell should be higher john freeze. Trent green thanh tod collins patrick ramsey colt mccoy donovan. Mcnabb jason campbell I just think brunell was the biggest with on this list in terms of should be higher and rights. i would have ranked him at least number six. I could be persuaded into putting them a spot or to hire the number. Six strong leader overcame an inefficient scheme. oh he overcame a lot of things. He was a tremendous leader for them. He played hurt And they didn't have a whole hell of a lot Around him that's for sure they had cooley. And they had santana moss and clinton portis that was it. I mean that's not bad. But that's all they had on the top three top four. Because i told you jason campbell was five gusts ferrat was four and yes gus rot on. This list deserves to be way up there. Gus for rot was inefficient quarterback not a winning quarterback But was pretty efficient over. He started fifty two games for this team. robert griffin. The third came in third on the list. And that's all about one season And then the top two were number two brad johnson and number one kirk cousins. Now let me tell you. I told him that i would have had brad johnson one and cousins too and that probably surprises many of you but i think brad johnson was a better leader and much more of You know look they. He had a team with some talent certainly in two thousand when he came back he only started two seasons here and he he didn't even start every game in two thousand but his ninety nine season which was an outlier really for the time threw for four thousand plus yards twenty four touchdowns For what was the second ranked offense in the league in nineteen ninety nine. That was a brilliant season. And if he hadn't been a little bit hurt in that playoff game against tampa they may have ended up in the nfc championship game that year. Against the greatest show on turf. They lost that game. Fourteen to thirteen cousins came in one. It's it's a fair debate. Whichever way you want to put them one too. I mean there. There's nobody else you consider because after the top two in this era everybody else is in the conversation for whatever you know in terms of. Rg threes one year gusts. virata mark. brunell You know that's really probably the group that you talk about next. I don't know how they ended up with brunell ranked twelfth What do you think of this list. I think i take it. It's it's pretty good I would agree with you on brunell based on talking to the players who played with him I would have had him a lot higher on the list. But that's not you don't do analytics. You know actually converse with people who were on the field You know so so with analytics. You talked to numbers and I guess the number dictate that would be lower. But i agree with you. I think and i agree with you. About brad johnson over kirk cousins because like time set If you had to win one game. Which quarterback would you have the washington brad johnson or the washington kirk cousins. And i take brad johnson in that I i know. I know this is sacrilegious And i take some take some grad. I take some soul senate and some pleasure in it cole. Mccoy is number seven. No i don't understand matt catch. That's a little too high. I mean this just speaks to. Just i love the guy list is. That's a little too high. It really speaks to help. Pathetic this list is. It's really amazing. What this friend gone through. And i it really is and Look i i think that that cole mccoy deserves a decent place on this list based on his cowboys monday night upset alone but seven. Alan patrick ramsey. It's ridiculous it's utterly ridiculous. Colt mccoy be ninety. You'd be happy about that. The best quote in the entire story you saw write about another guy that you weren't convinced of john belk came in at twenty three. Mike shanahan's going to be on the radio. Show with me on monday morning. And you and i this this was up there. It wasn't top five of our all time arguments but it was probably top twenty um beck and grossman and i told you the whole time. Grossman's going to start. I don't care what back puts up numbers wise. He's gonna start. They don't think back can actually do it. Back ended up getting opportunities and he did start in he did start. Three games played in. four memory. Came in against philadelphia and then what a lot of people don't know. Is that rex gut pneumonia. Before i think it was the carolina game the next week he would have started but he got pneumonia. And that's why beck ended up starting but anyway listen to these quotes about john beck from two. His former teammates coolies told me this story before but coolies quoted in this story. He said what i remember is he called everybody and said this is john beck. You're starting quarterback and then we all call each other and said is he the starting quarterback or just saying that. I didn't hate the confidence. Cooley said but here is after that buffalo game which was in all timer where worry was sacked ten times. Cooley said he panicked. He just wouldn't throw the football The next week remember he dumped it off to roy halloo. Fourteen times unchecked downs against the forty santana. Moss had the quote quote. He thought he was going to be the guy he sucked ass. I won't lie to you. I broke my hand. Didn't play the final two games with them. Nothing better could have happened to me. Because i didn't have to play with this guy. You talk all the stuff in the off season and then you lay this eg closed quote. I've referred to john belk over the years as like all world layup. Line guy you know. Being a basketball having played basketball my whole life in some of you out there will understand the reference. There's always the guy going through layup lines. It's you know. Thrown it up off the glass catching it landed backwards. And he's strutton back to the line and then you put him in the game and it's like dude you're you you. You're one pair of underwear short in heated. You needed to gear up a little bit better and they would just soil themselves when it came to an actual game. That was john belk. He was terrified in these games but he clearly looked super sharp and practices I think that's a funny line from santana moss. It's also very interesting to note. And we've talked about this before that. John belk has been built a business into being a quarterback trainer and teacher for a lot of players including including right a trae lance. He was mentioned in a couple of quarterbacks got picked this year. was it trae lance justin fields. Maybe he had a couple of chicago. He has become A prominent quarterback guru for for college players who wanna get drafted in the nfl. Which is very ironic really ironic. But you know one of the things he did. Clearly as he looked good and warm ups he looked good in practice and he trains these guys and he's not the one that actually has to go out on the field in front of a crowd and play. You know i remember you know one of the things you said. And i remember this very clearly because it was always very much a part of many of your positions in that is. I'm not telling you. I'm not telling you what i think i'm telling you what they have said. And and it's a good. It's a fair point. You know it's not what we think i'm telling you. What an expert actually thinks and says kyle shanahan was the one that really according to reports stood on a table in houston and said i want this guy drafted and they listen to him but he was not a good quarterback not a good. This reminds me Look my father was a real pool. Good pool player. I mean i. I got a guy who could run iraq or to He was really good. And i grew up at a pool room across the street from our apartment in brooklyn and i used to play pool lot by myself at that point when i was a kid. They put me on a table. Let me shoot and stuff. And i knew a lot about pool and i could teach somebody how to be a good pool player but i was not a good pool player. I should have been a lot better considering what i knew. And how how much had played. And you know i guess i guess you could say that john beck. It's the same way he knows how to teach people how to play quarterback. He just can't do it himself. Well tommy that's true in a lot of cases. Sometimes the best coaches were the most average of players the most average. You are what you are watching. Ted lasso right now. I watched the first two episodes and then you baled we. Well we well. We watched it at my son's house and we weren't particularly impressed. Okay well the dart episode for those of you that have seen it. Is you know the all time setup. I thought that's tommy was going. He's going to tell. You know a a minnesota fats story about his father But But no i get your point. I get your point john john. That is an incredible. I mean you know santana. I had santana on the podcast a couple of weeks ago. He was really really good in and a lot of. You really enjoyed that. And i did too. Actually i never asked him about back I missed out on on on getting that line. That's a great line about john beco- and it's really i mean for santana who such a nice guy and is really a public shot and a former teammate. He sucked well. Let's break that down for a second. I mean santana. You've got to combine that with the fact that santana loved rex grossman loved them. He absolutely loved rex. Because rex would throw the ball down the field true true and so i mean he might sure what city other guy but a lot of times he would throw it to santana until santana moss love the other guy in this in this debate So i mean and the other thing is it's so true and we talked about this early on the book before it actually came into existence. John belk letter. We did try to talk his way into being the starting quarterback just sorta declared he was a starter but i. I don't think we knew at the time that it was an utter turnoff to everybody on that team and i still thought it was funny. That was going on didn't he. Wasn't he one of the guys that wrote a book before. Didn't he wrote a book now. Who wrote the books. Well kirk cousins. Wrote a book Colt mccoy wrote a colt. Wrote a book yet. To burke wrote a book wouldn't there. We didn't have another quarterback the wrote a book Not that i can think of. Rg three did a documentary for week. One highnesses santana stuff. The santana stuff. Tommy's coming from yes. They all loved. rex grossman. All of them did yeah and it also came from you know judging by what he said this guy came in and acted like he was a starter and then when he finally got the opportunity he basically shit himself. You know on the field which is exactly what happened anyway. It's an interesting list for longtime skins fans depressing list haskins nineteen. Look i think he. I think when you get beyond you know four or five guys. It's like they all sucked seriously. They're thirty names on here. And there are only four five guys that even had a moment with the franchise. I mean like gary carey conkland. Yeah i mean like tony Let me give you one. Tony banks is fifteenth on this list. So he's dead center in the middle. He started that whole two thousand one season after jeff. George got benched. Now kent graham played in some of those games But he was eight and six as a starter with one audible. Remember hemi basically marty's lord don't give him too much and and that team was he was a a fabulous game manager for though for that eight and three closing stretch and in fact in in a couple of the games that they lost before you know he didn't play poorly. He ended up with Ten touchdowns ten interceptions twenty three hundred eighty six passing yards. It was a very lacking in talent. Offense like you told me like banks. Banks would have been ahead of jeff george on this list he definitely would have been ahead of jeff george. He would have been headed john freeze on this list. A less in a way is what i always said it. It's sort of an indictment on analytics. I mean this is this is based on analytics and the idea just sat. He's calling from now on analytics makes it sound like they're somehow how there's this level of intelligence involved. It's just statistics advanced statistics. That's all it is and i have. He sure ranks ahead of alex. Smith is absurd ridiculous absolutely absurd back and in some ways it's an embarrassment to the stats department at espn. That they would produce a list like this and thank goodness for john for putting his comments in there and kind of cleaning it up. He did a good job with that he with. Rex grossman being at thirteen. He said anywhere from ten to thirteen is good for grossman. Well again some of the guys in front of him. In a john freeze started. Sixteen games in in north's first year here and he had the benefit of playing for nor of which by the way was a benefit for quarterbacks. Here you know freeze. It didn't benefit heath shuler But it benefited freeze for some of those games in ninety four. They were terrible. But i'm not putting freeze in front of grossman. I'm not putting tod collins. Even though you know he started that stretch into the playoffs in front of grossman. Probably i'm not putting ramsey in front of grossman. I'm certainly not putting colt mccoy in front of grossman. What are we talking about. Just horrible quarterbacking But really after brad johnson and kirk cousins and robert griffin the thirds rookie year. Every other name on this list when they were here were either non. Nfl starting quarterbacks or past-their-prime well past their prime as a starting quarterback you know see a mark brunell Or donovan mcnabb. You know like brunell mcnabb on on the lists of jacksonville in philadelphia. They're going to be way high up there and people are going to debate the shit out of them. Because they were really good quarterbacks in those places on this list they're really not in the conversation although brunell sway i i mean i'd have brunell had mcnabb i might have brunell I might have brunell in the top five on this list. i mean i'd have been fronted jason campbell. I'd have them in front of mcnabb. In front of mccoy ramsey collins green freeze so yeah i'd have him i mean fraught just started so many more games but i it's having griffin third because that rookie year is probably appropriate because really other than the cousins years and the brad johnson year nobody came close to having a year like griffin had. But but anyway whatever it's depressing and it's also the react other thing the other thing is it's a reminder of what might have been lost with trent green. Yeah yep you know how i mean you know be mitch said. He's the best quarterback that he played with and You know i mean you know. They wound up not signing him. That was the transition period between the team being sold and they wouldn't make the decision to according to this to offer them. This you know to come up with the money for the signing bonus but And then triclean wound up getting hurt in in in saint louis and that pave the way for kurt warner but You know there was a missed opportunity here. Maybe with trend green to change the direction of franchise that season when they really got it going. At the end of the year it was becoming more clear that trent green was definitely starting quarterback caliber. And you know again. He's another guy benefited from quarterbacking under norv turner and then eventually quarterbacking under a guy like mike martz and then a guy like you know You know a staff like the staff that vermeil meal had. I want to make one thing. Clear that be. Mitch didn't say that. Trent green was the best quarterback he ever played with. Daddy might have been the best quarterback we've had in this franchise as far as overall ability since mark right. That's i just wanted to clarify that. Because that's what he said. Yeah so of all. The terrible quarterback came after mark rippin. Green may have been the best. Yeah i mean and and be mitch. Played with with you. Know played with brad johnson. He was on that team in ninety nine that we got to the playoffs. And then you know he was gone the next year and ended up doing well in philadelphia and new york certainly in philadelphia. All right let's get to our keys to a win over the giants right after these words from a few of our sponsors when simplisafe home. security's founders chad eleanor. Lauren's design their first security system in their kitchen. They did it for a very personal reason. Their friends had just had their home broken into. They were struggling to find a security system. That with simple the setup and would make them feel safe again. 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All of sixty seconds to rate is five stars and write a one-sentence review just understand that that really helps us to To deliver this podcast as often as we do all right Keys to beating the giants. Washington wins if would you like me to go first time or would you like to go. I like you to go. I i can copy what you do okay. washington will beat the giants tonight. And i've got many more keys to win that i had last week. I think it's always hard going into a game especially against the team with a new coaching staff. As they faced last week They've got to be better defensively on first and second down. You know most of you would say well. She and the third downs terrible. I'll get to that in a moment. But i mentioned on monday in my recap with cooley. That while the third down numbers were ethically bad. The chargers had so many of those third downs as third and short which meant washington wasn't doing a good enough job on first and second down ron rivera with me. This morning on the show said the same thing he said we got to be better on first and second down. Eleven of their fourteen converted third downs on sunday. The chargers were third and five or shorter. On most of those they were third and three or shorter. You know the nfl with the rules. Favoring the offense this becoming a passing league and offensive league if you give a team over and over again third and one two third and three hundred and four they're going to convert a high percentage of third downs. Washington's got to be much better on first and second down number two clearly. They've got to be better on third down no matter what the distances are you know nobody even on third and three over and over again is typically going to give up fourteen of eighteen. You may not see that number again this year. They've got to be a lot better regardless of the third down distance that their opponent faces. This means improved. Pass rush much better coverage. I think much tighter coverage especially on third and shorter better tackling. I think that was an underrated problem on sunday. A lot of catches and then good runs with tackles broken. Von miller in denver's win over the giants on sunday really dominated the game at times defensively. He onate solar nate solar. Is the giants starting right. Tackle andrew thomas. Their starting left tackle. Thomas was the player picked a few spots after chase young in the twenty twenty draft But von miller had two sacks several pressures It should be a better night tonight. For washington's pass rush third down defense dead last in the league after one after one game. of course it is. It's just got to be significantly better number three. I've sort of mentioned it. But i'm gonna mention it and emphasize it here. They've got tackle much better. The giants have playmakers. After the catch sterling shepard turned you know a short catch into a forty yard. Touchdown against the broncos on sunday and the broncos are pretty good in their secondary. They lost ronald darby by the way for the year In the opener Shepherd slayton golladay barclay depending on his availability. And how much is out. There khudairi tony. Who hasn't played got very little playing time. He actually had cova niece still working his way back into into condition their first round. Pick out of florida They can make you pay big time with miss tackle So you've got a tackle better tonight flipping it over to the offensive side of the ball. The giants teddy bridgewater to death. The giants i talked about this on the podcast yesterday somebody An originalist tweet. Because i have been this week. Definitely trying to warn people that the giants aren't anywhere near as bad as you think they are. And there's really not that much difference in my opinion between the giants roster and washington's roster a chuck g on twitter. And you can tweet me at kevin. Sheehan dc tweeted. Tommy said if you to kevin you would think we're going up against phil simms mark bavaro lawrence taylor. Carl banks and oda sanderson tonight. Jesus And i tweeted back to him. I said well you left out. Bill parcells And by the way. Joe morris. I should've mentioned but no what my point here is. It just seems to me and maybe i'm reading the room incorrectly but it seems to me that many people out there just think were much better than the giants and i don't see it that way. I think these teams are much closer than maybe a lot of youth. Think look vegas has it. As a three three and a half point you know appoint line so. That's a toss up on a neutral field if they're playing a neutral field game. It's kind of the way. I see it and back to the keys to beating the giants. They've got to be ready for pressure. The giants faced the sixth most pressure. I'm sorry the broncos faced the sixth most pressure in the league last week by the giants. The giants are fast and athletic leonard williams an absolute. Beast upfront blake. Martinez can run. Their linebackers can all run. And they've got safeties in In peppers and logan ryan who came on multiple safety blitzes teddy bridgewater had the game of his career. He was so good on sunday because he was under pressure. A lot in made every big third and fourth down throw in that game. Now if they blitz taylor heineke it may create opportunities for heineke because my belief is that's what he does better than anything. Which is you know. Evade pass rush in make plays after escaping pass rush. But they've got to be ready for the blitz. They've got to be ready for leonard williams and they're upfront You know base defense. They're pretty stout upfront I think heineke tommy tonight needs four to five impact. Plays with his legs to beat the giants. Now whether that's as a run on third and seven where he he sees the pressure and he scrambles out of there and runs effortlessly with underrated. Speed ten yards and out of bounds. Or whether it's you know he of pressure in the pocket steps up and fires something over the middle to logan thomas. i think he's gotta make four to five impact plays against the giant pressure To win tonight. I think he can by the way I think they really have to do a good job of tackling daniel jones jones is. Not you know a runner. That's gonna look to slide all the time. He's a big boy and he can run. That's probably what he does better than anything else. And when he runs other teams have been have been able to separate the ball from his body. And that's what washington You know could could do once or twice tonight. Jones's at his best games of his career against washington. They really have to hit him tonight. you gotta protect the ball tonight. You can't have a fumble inside your five yard line. And then finally and i know this is a long list but I really worked on it this week because there were at least two games to watch the giants game in the washington game from last week. I think heineke and this offense really need to feed logan thomas tonight. I think there's an opportunity especially against pressure to find. Logan thomas in the middle of the field noah fan and albert so whatever. His last name is the two tight ends for denver. Feasted against the giants defense bridgewater made some great rose to them under pressure. They had nine catches in the game combined. It could have been more. I think this could be a big night for logan thomas. I think they should look to feed them now. Denver's got much more on the outside to really put the fear into a defense jerry. Judy k j hamlet portland. Sutton they also had melvin gordon in the backfield and washington's got some of that too by the way jerry. Judy got was seriously injured. I think he's out eight weeks in that game against the giants. Washington's got some players that the giants have to worry about. They've got to worry about terry maclaurin you know. They've gotta worry a little bit about deonte brown speed they had. They certainly have to worry about antonio gibson I think they have to worry about logan. Thomas we'll see if they game plan for logan thomas. The tight ends had field day Against the giants. And i think this is a night where you feed logan thomas. There you go. That's it by the way. Be more mature tonight. Be more matured in no freelancing you know no deviating from the played it's called especially on third down right. What are your keys to a win over the giants okay. I'm barest to go with my. Because years was phil well done. It was sorry no it was. I'm i'm very impressed. I think you hit on a lot of good things. Mine is is much more simple and actually you can use these keys to victory for every game. The rest of the season giant's game because this speaks to the kind of team that washington is at this point they need to have They need to have pressure from the front's from the front line on the quarterback. They need to put pressure on on. The opposing quarterback daniel jones in this case but The defense needs to create pressure on the quarterback. They need to win the field position battle which In a way you know gave them an opportunity if they weren't if they weren't so pathetic that defensively to win last week's game early Particularly in the first half washington was winning the field position battle And that's one of the reasons. Ron rivera said he punted You know he didn't yeah. He punt on fourth and seven late in the game. Now that may have been the wrong decision but You know he was counting on winning the field position battle. This is what they need to do. And like you said they can't afford to have turnovers. They need to win the turnover battle. Even if it's zero zero that's winning. They can't turn -able over this. Is i mean this is having anything else you ask. This team is is going to be a gift. This is what they need to do to compete in every game from here on it. Yeah all right when we come back. We'll have our game prediction We will guess on. Taylor heineke numbers. I think i gave you my guests. Tommy will give you guess on. Taylor taylor heineke night as well and then one last thing what would really be disappointing about tonight beyond a loss beyond a loss. What would be majorly disappointing. I think we'd all come to the same conclusion on this. Maybe all of that right. After these words from a few of our sponsors life seems to be getting back to normal for many of us. You're going to see live music and places you couldn't go to a year ago you're going to movies. You're sitting indoors at restaurants. The summer is showing welcoming signs of a more normal life ahead. finally we can get back to enjoying. 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Recently it's still a work in progress. It's going to be very nice. My wife stunned. Beautiful job honey. I love you. you've done a great job. She is in addition to being a real estate agent. She's a designer as well and The house is great Last night with the two dogs that we have in the house Including the dog. That is my favorite of the two dogs are two year old english bulldog. Her name is laney she is She's become as i've told you previously a favourite for all of us. She's just a wonderful dog. Incredible loving loyal fun. Funny everything about her is outstanding will last night. My wife said to me You can't eat around laney Because bulldogs if you don't know this time he they drool allot. They drool a lot when they're watching other people eat and i said okay and she said some of the people we were that sounds like some of the people we've worked with at nine. There were a lot of drool. Cup said nine eighty with management typically Yeah and she. She said well she can't. She can't drool on the on the new floors to which tom just said and i completely agree with him. If you're going to have a dog or dogs plural as we have you're gonna have to put up to a certain degree what they do to a house. It's just part of it if you don't want drool on new floors well then don't have dogs. That's what tommy told me. And i tend to agree with it so tom just lectured my wife. Thanks for footing. That automates which thank you. But i'm right. I mean if you're going to have a dog you i mean if you're gonna want the dog that have a normal existence you know you've got you pretty much have to accept the dog as a member of the family and like okay. If one of your kids strolled what she tell you not to eat around him. Put it this way i lane. He's not gonna make her own bed. Okay so we there limitations with dogs. I you know i understand. It's dog one too many. She actually threw out recently. We probably need to get another dog because the other our other dog is old and she wants another dog to be able to hang out with laney. A lot of people believed the two dogs are better for the dogs than just one dog. but anyway You know what. Look i mean most of you can. I can relate to a certain degree when you're in a new house. You want to feel new for a while. You don't want to banged up in the first couple of weeks of being in there. I understand that. But i'm not going to not eat or not. Eat around her or be following her around wiping up the drool when she drools bulldogs drool. That's what they do they do that. There's an idea but here's an idea every time you go to eat. Put a blindfold over two dogs seems so he can't see what you're doing. It seems cruel. But i think it would work. I think you would be fun to watch them into the furniture aiden entertainment. You know what you can lecture. My wife don't put my dog into into your bad thoughts All right so before. We get to the predictions tonight. No smell test pick just so everybody knows i wanted to mention. I'm surprised that. I liked the giants plus the points. I think i. I'm probably not gonna play it. I think these thursday night games are so hard to predict I'm not gonna play the game more likely than not But i i wait a minute. Wait a minute minute what this is. This is a little bit contrary to what you told me earlier in the week. But then i thought the giants were gonna win. Yeah you were all in. Yeah i like. I like the giants tonight. I do i i. It's not that. I think they're going to win. I liked them. Plus the number. I absolutely do Had to play the game. I would play the giants. I would not lay the points with washington tonight. but I these thursday night games are always hard to bet. They just they don't. They're always poorly played sloppy. We've talked about this. I'm not playing the game tonight. I think it's a field goal. Either way i really do. I think it's a low if anything. I'm gonna play the under tonight if anything. I'll play the under before we get to our predictions on the game other than the obvious. Which is you know if they lose the game. What would you be majorly disappointed with. If you don't see it tonight go ahead. You give me an answer i you see. Here's the thing i mean. I'm not going to be disappointed. Any what do you think disappointment. What do you think of fans disappointed with it. They lose or win or lose Again i i think that they would be most disappointed if they are heineke. Has like a two interception flop of a game because they have so much invested in the in the legends of taylor heineke and if he's exposed this early like his nyc i start of the regular season biggest disappointment. Can you imagine. Fitzpatrick gets hurt Three series into the season and heineke. I start three. Picks one hundred twelve yards in a fumble in a big loss to the giants. I know i think you hit on one of the two things that people would be disappointed with if they don't see You know a decent game from heineke the other as if they don't see a major improvement defensively if the giants come in ear tonight and they convert you know nobody's going to convert fourteen of eighteen But they're six of twelve on third down and they score twenty four to twenty seven points. Put up four hundred yards of offense and jones doesn't get sacked or maybe only get sacked wants but pretty much has his way that would be a massive disappointment and i don't care that it's two weeks into the season. At that point. I would be a little bit alarmed about the the hopes that we all have that this defense could be a really good defense again. I never thought it was elite or great last year. Thought it was improved. I thought it could be a good defense this year. And maybe take a step towards being great this year If the defense doesn't step up in a major way against this opponent tonight that would be a major disappointment. What's your box. Score for. Taylor heineke tonight. Nineteen of twenty. Seven hundred. Eighty yards passing one touchdown. Pass one touchdown run and one interception That's not a bad night. That's not a bad T- counts two touchdowns giants with that. You can beat the giants with that. That's right because many other teams that but you can beat the giants with that because you just gave me fourteen points from him alone were at least twelve. Depending on what hopkins does My My box score for him. Twenty of thirty. Three two hundred twelve yards one touchdown one interception and i've got six rushes for thirty seven yards And i put out a forty two and a half. qbr is somebody asked me for the qbr. So i that would be a decent night. I'm expecting him to make some place. And i really am i. I would be disappointed if the defense doesn't have a massively improved game. But i would also be disappointed if taylor heineke gets handled by the giants if he doesn't have three four five plays. You're like wow this dude. There's something to him something to him. I don't know if it's a long term you know consistent. Nfl starter but you know he can make some place. I mean that's what he does. You know when. I expect that'll happen. Because there's gonna be some pressure you know this. This defense for the giants is pretty talented All right let's get to it. Final score prediction with a footnote. Go ahead Washington wins his game. Twenty one to seventeen Footnote is i think you're right. Logan thomas is Turns out to be taylor. Heineke security blanket And manages to get him through the game without you know soiling himself not that taylor heineke fat kind of quarterback but i think logan thomas winds up being the offensive started a game for them. I've got. I've got washington. Nineteen to seventeen winners. That's threading the needle. Tommy that would give the giants plus the points A big w but washington wins the game Nineteen to seventeen a dustin hopkins four field goals four for four and he starts off the season seven for eight. He hits the game winner with less than a minute to go. The defense gets a stop on the giants final drive and the only thing were bitching about a little bit tomorrow morning. Is there red zone offense. That would be nice Bitch after a win to get to one and one We talked about this yesterday. And even the day before when you I brought up code. Red this is not code. Red must win But i'm not diminishing the importance of this game i understand. I can do the math. That they've got fifteen more games after this one in five division games after this one and none of those start until mid december but this is a big game you know rivera greed. I said is there. Is there an urgency for this game due to any he said yeah. You can't be too. You know heading to buffalo basically an eleven days in and you. Can't i think if the team didn't have that many expectations like last year. I don't think there's pressure associated with it. But i think because of the expectations in owen to start with two losses at home as a favourite in each game. You would get tested here early in the season. About what kind of locker room you have. You know what kind of players you have. How how resilient they are last year last year was kind of easy no offense but there was no pressure. There were no expectations. The division was horrible and they there was nobody. Nobody in the stands either. And nobody in the stands. Nobody in their way you know. They played one horrible quarterback after another. This year is different you start. Oh into with some expectations. And you're staring at josh allen and stefan digs in buffalo and then the saints in the chiefs and the packers over a three week period and by the way at denver. That's not that's a healthy an underdog and they come back after a bye week with tampa and i think in improve carolina team before they get seattle vegas in dallas and then philly. I mean i'm just looking at the schedule. Where's the this might be the game this. It's the most winnable game on their schedule. It may don't win this then it it's code. It's code brown. It may get it might be the only game in many weeks that their favored and now the at atlanta in two weeks. It'll be interesting. okay. I get it. But it is a road game so it's gonna be at least for the foreseeable future one of the only games that they're probably favored in unless they just look awesome which is also a possibility here over the next few weeks. I'm back tomorrow. Jay gruden scheduled to be my guest to recap the game. I think coolly will be on early next week To give his thoughts on this game in the nfl weekend. Tommy thanks thank you. Everybody enjoy it. 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Trey Lance joins Niners Nation just days before the draft!

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Trey Lance joins Niners Nation just days before the draft!

"Now that the nfl draft is here you need to subscribe to the sba nation nfl. Show our team of national and local. Experts have the nfl draft covered from every angle. Plus we're bringing in big name guests and leading mind from around the industry subscribe to the espy nation. Nfl show wherever you got your podcast for the best coverage of the nfl draft and beyond we are just days away from the twenty twenty one nfl draft and it is exciting times here for us as has nation because all these questions are going to be answered. Finally it's going to be an incredible draft and there's so many questions at the top of the draft and we are very privileged and excited to be talking to a man who could be one of the top three picks in the draft and that is trail and good morning. Trae what is up. good morning. Thank you so much for having looking forward to. So you went. North dakota state and i happen to host the niners nation. Podcast with somebody that lived in north dakota and he told me to ask you when you go to a restaurant and you get french fries and we start with the hard hitting questions here. Are you dip in the french fries and ketchup or you dipping them in ranch ranch marantz guy a ranch. Were you a ranch guy. Before you went to north dakota state probably not now but don't don't you try it. I will say that man. i'm. I'm stunned here that you're going like you know the catch up exists right like it's coming ranch on pizza to write my goodness. Who is this kid. Where do we find him. I'm not gonna lie. You just went down my draft board a little bit with that. So let's say you do go out with the team. An nfl team takes you out. What would be your order as we follow up with another hard hitting question. I'm usually depending on where we're at. I'm thinking like some type of you know maybe like a salad like a chicken salad or like a pasta definitely going to stay away from the french presser didn't warmer that's pretty good. I guess your backup the draft board a couple of spots. Now look by. Friday at ten o'clock eastern. Know where you're living. You're gonna know who your teammates are. I imagine the night before the draft. It's going to be tough to get some sleep because there's going to be a lot going on your life but i know that you're going to try to combat that a little bit with the sleep number bed. So how does the pre-draft jitters work against the sleep number. Yeah i'm super excited to be part of a sleep number for me. It's a perfect partnership Because i've always been been big on my sleep and my recovery And definitely you know my sleep store on the app For my sleep number three sixty smart bed. is awesome. It's huge for me. And it's i think it's going to be a game changer. In the future. I know it is just because i can track my sleep track recovery and make sure that i'm you know contract to be set up for success For game day or whenever that days. Okay i heard you had a conversation with dak prescott and you told dak prescott that your bedtime was eight o'clock up until you could drive. Are you telling me that your freshman year of high school. You were not awake. For halftime of monday night football. It might have been into maybe my freshman year just because of sports that was really the big reason But like as far as like parents taking my phone at night you know. So i'm not on staying up all night like yeah that was probably like address trae. Do you think you're going to sleep the night before the draft speaking of sleep number like how do you think. Are you going to be so revved up that you're going to be amped up not going to be able to sleep for house. I'll go man. I'm i mean. I'm gonna be super excited obviously the night before but at the same time and whether it's my pillow some sleep number bed as soon as i that i usually knocked out pretty quick It's just unbelievably comfortable. So i'm i don't worry about it too much but i'm definitely I mean like you said you know it'd be and excited for thursday. I'm sure you're ready for this to be over because it's a long process for us just covering the draft. It's got to be a long process for you. What is the most frustrating thing you've heard about yourself in this whole process You know. I don't really take it to heart too often So like i hear all the obviously the sds level seventeen games the the twenty years old is a big one as well. I mean those are things that i can't control So i mean i don't worry about it too much Obviously you know it's just another thing that kinda add to the list. Add another chip on my shoulder. Another person to peron whatever. It is But i'm just looking forward to it like you said at this point it's been a long process but you know it's coming to an end now and looking forward to you know like you said having again have an organization that wants as far as feedback goes from the nfl. What were some of the things that they've told you that you could improve on his accuracy. The more aggressive with the football You know just playing more playing more games. You know as everyone knows you know. Playing seventy games is not a whole lot And i understand that. But i also wouldn't be decision if i didn't believe myself. And this is my people around me and my team didn't believe me as well so when i watch you. It seems like the accuracy the playing the you know throwing the ball to people being aggressive. That will come just by playing more. It seems like you'll be able to figure out what you need to do. A you'll be able to figure out you know the speed of the nfl all of that. You kind of feel the same way. Yeah absolutely i mean like like. I said i wouldn't be decision. I wouldn't have made this decision. If i didn't think i was going to be successful doing it. And this isn't the best opportunity in situation for me to be in See the last six seven months me. Not having season was you know. A blessing and a curse Learned a ton and got to meet a ton of people and got to throw a lot And be critiqued on just about everything you know. More than i thought was possible. But it's it's a good thing. That's what i love and you know this is what i find out for us. I just would love to do one of the people you've gotten a chance to meet and work with. Is john beck who has worked with a lot of guys think. He was working with justin fields as well. What are some of the things that john belk taught you in this process. We focused a lot. You know similar things We focus a lot of my lower body when i was out there with john in california and Getting my lower body going on really you know my biggest thing was. I wasn't using my lower body as much as i could So she's getting the most out of my throat was in getting the most out of busy So that was the biggest thing that we focused on john. Also got to watch a ton of tape or whether it's my favorite. Nfl tapes learned it from obviously play the position At a really high level He's a person that's a supermodel and understands the game and understand position. Were you surprised when you were asked to go work with beck and was there any resistance after building a relationship after having worked with quincy every Yeah quincy under the situation. There really wasn't exactly about that. I think people didn't realize carson was going to be out there as well as eastern stick. Who was the quarterback who lives out there So it's kind of an opportunity to to work out with those guys got to throw the eastern guy that throw with carson. Got to sit down with sam. Darnold carlyle. and you know Josh allen Got throw gardner got to watch. You know Jared goff though you know me about being able to be out there. And i know how many guys and adam and taylor work with So me being able to be out. There was super exciting for me. And you know being able to compare myself and compete with those guys on the field as well as obvious like i said Me with those guys in the meeting learned as much stock possibly can of leaves about learning and getting better. Quincy understand the situation. We're still you know real close. Obviously and we'll continue to work together in the future. You know my biggest thing is. I want to learn as much as i possibly can. And and different quarterback coaches and trainers teach different things or maybe just the same things in different ways Some of the t- to do everything. I can learn as much again. Did you talk to those guys maybe specifically carson about what. It's going to be like your rookie year making the jump from. Es you to the nfl. Yeah i've talked to town. And i i talked to him. Probably more about it Before i made my decision. Because i wanted all the information and i wanted want feedback You know if they didn't think i was ready for this this jump or whatever it was you know i trust that they would have said that are they would say that So yeah carson's biggest advice. Just i am and i think that holds true anything you do And obviously the type of person carson is a type of competitor and play as well as he did his rookie year And now you know super excited for him. Obviously in his next. Step in indy He's the type of person that i want to be like. He's he's a role model me. his biggest thing. He says he can't compete against me. so i'm looking forward to it for sir. It has to be invaluable to have that kind of resource in carson wentz. Who went early. Who went to north dakota state and be able to lean on him for that type of information. So speaking of quarterbacks who win early you are going to go early. Have you received any sort of draft day promises like. Hey if you're there we're going to take you and my follow up to that would be everybody ever says. I don't care where i play. That's not to everybody wants a team. Who do you want to play for trae lamps. I really just my biggest thing is going into a good situation I don't really have anything in mind. just a good situation organization wants me and at the end of the day. Obviously the team that takes me. It's going to be the team that wants me so i'm super excited for that. Just to have teammates again like you got mentioned early in and there really aren't any bad situations you know. This is not meant at this point. So it's just for me just learning about an organization learning as much as i possibly can and competing And like you said just about carson. Yeah he's he's one of those people that i would lean on for as long as i'm playing football just long as a human being He's a great person. Look up to. I could be biased. Because like i said. I host the niners nation podcasts. But i'm going to point out. There are some situations that are a little better than others. If you happen to go number three. You've become an into a roster. That was pretty damn good. That was just in the super bowl. You be coached by kyle. Shanahan do you think it's possible for a team with a rookie quarterback to win a super bowl. Yeah absolutely i think carson's a great example again How well he played his rookie year. like i said my biggest thing is coming in. I and earning respect to my teammates and everyone in the organization And learning as much as i possibly can. And at that point you know whatever. My role is for week one. I'm going to do that to the best of my ability Obviously i'm gonna compete for the spot. I find out for this. Because i wanna play football That's what i love to do. So i'm looking forward to so you missed you mentioned you know carson eastern throughout this draft process have you made any other friends with some of the prospects that will be drafted this year. Have you became close with the other guys. Yeah i'm pretty close with justin anzac And they're both great news great people And man. I'm rooting for all of these guys. I've i've had the opportunity to spend a lot more time with justin zach And i just know the type of people they are the type of competitors You know. I want the best for for everyone in this draft class. I wanted this draft class to be really really special And i think it can be just the amount of talent two guys in hard-working guys that we have in it Some room for those guys quarterbacks in from top to bottom everyone but those two specifically the guys that i've i've gotten another out of this process so you strike me as a pretty nice guy but sometimes when you play quarterback in the nfl you can't always be the nice guy if you are. Whoever you're playing for you know you run a play. Maybe it's an incomplete pass and one year receivers comes back in is like trade. Dammit man i was open you gotta get me the ball. What's your response to that. I think everything starts the mutual respect. And i'm not going to be on the field with my teammates. Don't have that level of respect for me and vice versa So handling that situation you know different. Obviously depending on the guy But i'm going to obviously get to know my teammates first and foremost in there. In that respect before i get on the field obviously So i guess like you said it depends on the person But and they they were wrong and they're wrong. They're right there right you know. They probably weren't lying if they were saying that But obviously like i said everything starts mutual level of respect try. I don't want you to take offense to this. But i don't think you're nice guy because i've seen you run over guys. That are much much bigger than you and no nice guy would do that on speaking of running. We did not get to see you. Run the forty. How have you been training your times. Been when i when i was training my forty times I think we're pretty consistent around four or five one laser That was pretty consistent throughout my training. Pre-draft before my first pro day Yeah decided not to run my forty or do my testing just one of the folks on throwing onto the focus on me not having senior receivers. I had to go to state focus on getting my timing and everything down for my pro day with those receivers that i had never thrown before And i think we did. A great job would say on a finer and it worked out for the if you just an exact ran a forty our gas. Who's winning that race. I don't know we'd have to wait and see. I don't know i've never ran with those guys specifically My justice forty though jessica can go without a doubt Especially for sir. has super special abilities and like i said the type of people those guys are. You know what they know. They're going to be successful for really locked. See my background. I got nipsy marley. Who is your walkout song like. What would you walk out to From my walk out song on draft sold out date Gonna set up trying to policy. Santa baby turn a man. I've been listening to juice. Merle chicago rapper guy. That's about as close as i get from minnesota trae lance. Thank you very much for the time. Good luck trying to enjoy the rest of this process. You know hopefully now on by now all the hard work is done and you can just relax and reap the benefits. It's going to be a great night for you on thursday thanks for the time. Thanks to sleepnumber for hooking us up with you and congratulations and hopefully you wind up in a forty niners jersey. Hopefully we'll talk to you on thursday. Absolutely that's the plan free state's.

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QB coach John Beck on Zach Wilson, Justin Fields, and Trey Lance; plus, Falcons at 4 & Edelman retires

The MMQB Podcast with Peter King

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QB coach John Beck on Zach Wilson, Justin Fields, and Trey Lance; plus, Falcons at 4 & Edelman retires

"Welcome to the peter king podcast another week and other re closer to april twenty nine thirty and may one. Nfl draft weekend. A lot of suspense building. Not the first two picks but a lot after that We've got a very interesting program of this week. Got paul burmeister. My friend from nbc. We're going to bat around the issues of the day. And then we will have john beck who is one of a new sort of subspecies of person in the draft process. He's one of these former. Nfl quarterback was the second round. Pick of the miami dolphins in two thousand seven and He has morphed into a quarterback tutor. And this postseason and for really for the last year plus he has been teaching. Zack wilson the brigham young quarterback due to be Likely number two the new york jets and he's also Been working with justin fields of ohio. State and of the north dakota state quarterback trae lance and one of the reasons i wanted to have a john beck on. This week was basically to tell you what what is what is this. What's what's wins. This quarterback tutor what to this. This new class of of people in the draft in jordan palmer Has done a lot of guys over the years. there are others. Who who work. With quarterbacks george whitfield but a really interesting way of getting guys ready not just for the draft but for the next step so we will talk to john back. He'll tell you what that whole part part of this process is like. But i paul little bit of news this week in the nfl. With the retirement of julian edelman from the new england patriots. I don't know that a lot of people thought that he would come back after missing two thirds of last season with a knee injury. That just wasn't getting better but or your thoughts when he saw him a stepping away I was i. I wanted to picture so many good images in peter not. I'd love to hear what comes to your mind i with into. I tried to sort through all of them and think okay. What's my lasting image of this really really good player from this last decade and i was lucky to be on the sideline for the super bowl. The patriots won in phoenix against seattle. And he was just over one hundred yards receiving game. Box score looked really good. They won but in the second half of that game. Tom brady kept coming back to him on these difficult. Little look routes over the middle and he kept getting drilled by kam chancellor and mean kam chancellor was given him his best shots that yeah awesome safety back there. You really look into you. Break it down to safety point of view. Like i wanna knock the ball loose rwanda make him think about coming over the middle again and do it differently. He didn't get the ball. Loose and element never changed the way you play going for the middle in those last couple of quarters so i'm going to remember that. Not just the production but sing it that close and seeing the compete level in toughness in the production on a stage like that you know probably my best memory is after. He was the mvp the super bowl. Couple of years ago that low scoring game against the rams Range to visit him the week after that game and to do my column for nbc. Sports on This incredible game that he had and on this totally bizarre season remember. He was suspended by the nfl. For the first four games that year For testing positive for a phd. And so in someone was a strange book ended year. You know the guy who was suspended from the first quarter of the season had his moment of greatest triumph at the end of the season. So i visited him at his house. He he has a home actually in west hollywood and it was just amazing to see him yet. His little daughter lily with him and it was amazing just to see him in his other world But the one thing i remember about that trip is just time and again how. Every story about him came back to when he was growing up any was driven by a father in california to be better than he should be. And he said you know. It wasn't always fun in those days with a dad. Who drove you relentlessly You know what he was a baseball player to and at he could go three for four and a game in his dad would get in the car with master the game and and the question would be. What about your ground out the third inning Why why what re seeing. Why didn't you should hit it harder. Whatever and for awhile. It drove ataman crazy but he said i realize in many ways. That's why i am who i am today. And really. When i think of julian edelman i think of a guy who got every bit every ounce of his playing ability of that he could have into think that. Here's a guy who was an option quarterback kent state in the mid american conference and was just a little guy and the new england patriots chose him as a wide receiver and he caught six hundred twenty balls in the regular season and then he was the second leading receiver in playoff his terms of number of catches so he had I would say he had one of the greatest careers from where a player started where he finished. And as i've been kinda sifting through my own thoughts about reading people. I respect talk about him after you get through. The the wonderful career had been brought up a lot. The last twenty four hours is he a hall of fame wide receiver. And i know you've been. You've been a voter for the hall of fame for years. Peter always look forward to reading the about what you say about the process in how it's different each year and i'm wondering a not just about julian and what he did in a season but the way wide receivers are evaluated. These next ten years has to change because so many are gonna come in with numbers that look like hall of fame numbers ten years ago but they can't all be hall of fame players. How do you judge him knowing the the numbers are inflated at that position and also know what he meant to a super bowl winning team in january and february. I think there's a lot of different ways to look at it and paul. I've said many times that i absolutely. I think it's absolutely vital to have the five year waiting period after a player's career. Because it gives you time to actually think about it rather than just think about the instead of just thinking about the emotion of it He think about you. Think about everything and the dust settles you get a couple years just to let things go and i remember telling somebody today that you know. When kurt warner retired right away. I thought he was all famer And then after maybe six months eight months a year. I took some time one day. And i looked at kurt warner's career and i said you know really having second thoughts now. I don't think he's a hall of famer has a five year donut hole in the middle of his career in which he was benched He was a backup a when he played. He didn't play great and I just thought you know. Even though we had great moments at the beginning of his career and obviously Winning super bowl and playing great at the end of his career as well i just i didn't think he was but the more i thought about it more. I thought that thinking passes the sniff test to me anyway because If you're the quarterback of one of the greatest offenses in nfl history. You're the trigger man to that offense and even even though it may only lasted three years if you're at the at the absolute center of that in near the big reason for it and then you also you've got a super bowl on your resume. Any you've also got some tremendous playoff accomplishments later in your career on your resume I think he passed the smell test for me. And i ended up voting for him for the hall of fame. Now elements going to be an interesting case because You know his numbers really are not there. You know he's seventy fifth all-time in receptions and that's only gonna go down in down with six hundred twenty. Obviously at the great playoff a numbers. Great playoff resume then again. He played a lot of playoff games. So if you say caught all more passive than anybody Jerry rice well. Why wouldn't he was on the team. That played two or three playoff games almost every year. So and again. I'm not demeaning what he did there but i think the one other part of this is the story is not a part of it You know like if i talk about kurt warner i'm not talking about well you know. He went from begging groceries to being You know super bowl champion. I i don't mean that the the the story of julian edelman to me is about a guy who as we said. Did everything humanly possible to be great at his position in the nfl but at the end of the day you also have to compare him to other players who currently are vying to get into the hall of fame and one that comes to mind. Is hines ward. Now hines ward has never been in serious contention to make the pro football hall of fame. i've never entered any postseason where you're starting to think about it and think about the finalists and think that he was going to get in the room to have his case discussed And paul he's got three hundred and eighty more catches than julian edelman. He's maybe the best blocking wide receiver of all time. Certainly one of them And he's a super bowl. Mvp as is Julian edelman so hard for me to sit there and saying let's put adamant in it and then say oh hines ward wasn't hall of famer Why know and i think. But i think the one other part of it is and this is why i always say of course you look at numbers and of course numbers are report but i also think you have to look at his contribution to a great team and that's the only reason why i would say i'd really like to hold off on ataman for a couple of years just because you know i really wanna digest his role in how important role he played on the greatest football team ian really of the last. I don't know thirty or forty years at least if you or maybe a of modern times if think that what the patriots accomplished in an eighteen year span winning six times is better than the steelers winning four in six of the packers in the sixties winning five in seven so those are the things. I'll probably think about a lot in the next few years. Think it's a really good. Comp with hines ward and there is a very good arguments as there has to be for both sides for the french players will why he shouldn't be in the ends up not being a hall of famer all these years down the road peter players are nothing means to them than the respects of the player and coach that they liked the most in their locker room at. Tom brady perhaps the best of all time. Bill belichick maybe the best of all time. They would rave wholeheartedly about this player and if he never gets in and for a player to have that from the two people i looked up to the most rain. I mean maybe maybe you pick that anyway. I just think sometimes we were in an era. When i think way too often quite honestly we judge. Somebody's career on whether there. Let's say going to get into the hall of fame or whether they one x number of mvp's you don't julian edelman kentucky himself in tonight and know that there's a very chance the patriots wouldn't have won the super bowl without him. And that's that's why in my opinion all those other things are great but his teammates know his coaches now. His own robert kraft he knows so He ease he can take pride in knowing that he was incredibly valuable part of great team right. It's kinda somewhat expected but also a surprise lead story at fund wanted to get around a little bit as this week. It's rolling when it comes to the drafts. You mentioned a little bit about the unknowns surprises. We don't really have them with the first two picks to a to a certain point three. We don't really have it there. Either in the niners are going to go quarterback. I guess which one is it going to be is some suspense. That seeing that really has the high pick that is the true unknown for player. Position is atlanta at four. And that's where we are this week. He talked about it quite a bit football morning in america. What's your gut. Tell you about a matt ryan replacement for or not. You know paul. I wish i had a great feel for that but the fact is And i will tell you this. The majority of people i have talked to. Let's say ten people in the week before. I wrote that column ten people around the league the majority feel like they're gonna take kyle pits tight end from florida. But when i say the majority think that i don't believe they have. I don't believe they have that for meter. Arthur smith or from terry fontanella the coach or gm of the falcons and that becomes so vital as we get into this because the best teams around draft time of the teams. That can keep a secret. Because it doesn't do. The atlanta falcons any good for anybody to know what their pickets. Because let's just say there's a team. The desperately wants just in fields now. The quarterback ohio state needs sitting there at number four and peter. Schrager my friend from a good morning. Football had the new england patriots trading. Up from fifteen to four To get just fields in this draft and and my point on. I texted with peter back and forth. My point is that. I wouldn't be surprised if the patriots traded up i would be surprised if they traded up to number four and gave up much of their next two drafts. In order to get just feels not. It's certainly not impossible It would not shock me but it would surprise me because the patriots usually don't do like that. I would guess i would make this point about that. Pick that if the atlanta falcons want to get very rich either from let's say chicago or new england. Let's just say. I think they could do that. And so it may be from denver. So i think the falcons wanna to make absolutely sure that they play their cards very close to the vest. Don't tell anybody what they're doing. So that they can keep all their options open. Now i think kyle pits makes an awful lot of sense matt ryan. Most likely has got five or six years to go if he chooses. And if the falcons still believed that he can take them to a super bowl if they believe that truly item. I wouldn't take a quarterback. Here i would take you the best player or take The biggest ransom. I could get for the pick. What if they lowered that question to do. We believe matt ryan could get us into the playoffs. Play play january the next two or three years. What if that was the the standard i think. Of course they would be you. You're absolutely and that if that is inside the building. If that's a realistic goal instead of everybody wants to win the super bowl but if they said i think matt is a is our best. The next two or three years to be playing january. I mean then then you would definitely build around him. I mean all these other guys. You mean all the rookies of mean. It's a guesstimate if you can be performing in the after the nfl passing offense whereas you know you probably have that with matt ryan the next two or three years. I just i would err on the side of keeping the guy who still pretty good. Maybe has a stretch of really really good left in there too. And i probably would too you know what paul there's one. There's one of your favorite. Now if you keep ryan knowing two years on his contract and then you know that for the next at least two or three years after that you're gonna be paying the forty or forty plus million range because you know even though you may not feel he's a he's a you know in the in. The patrick mahomes league is far as money. It really doesn't matter when joe flacco after twenty thirteen you know when he got more money than anybody has ever gotten to play the game of football for one for one contract average twenty twenty million a year. That just basically underscores how in quarterback money k. in quarterback money. It doesn't matter if you're the best quarterback almost only matters that you're like in the top ten or twelve the hopscotch is going to continue. And while you may not get over patrick mahomes that however you county league dead. Forty eight fifty. Don't know but you may not get over him but you are going to get in the forty million dollar range if you're atlanta. You have to decide if you wanna pay your quarterback that but that's that's Because i'm sure they're seriously considering taken that quarterback at four they'll be well represented at the pro days that next monday the second program. I answered justin fields in the old days. Not that long ago. All these teams can spend a lotta time getting to know. Put these quarterbacks on the board. After road i remember being james winstons. Pro day can win. How to that group titans. I didn't get a second pick. That year went with james to another building. And i'm sure they got a lot out of that half hour hour hour and a half contains do that now on monday with with with the kobe restrictions. Can they spend that kind of time with the player off the field. I don't think they ran. I don't think they can. I think everything they do has to be done. Virtually both out of a sense of fairness and out of a sense of being very cautious of our code but whatever it is. They're going to do paul. You know. I i watched a couple of A couple of position meetings last year when teams were installing their offenses and couldn't be in the same room together. I and i watched a lot of teams talking to their players. And then as you know on zoom you can basically put an overlay in you. Can you can write on the screen and you can show exactly what you would show on. Let's say You know an overhead In a team meeting room. And so. I think you're still able to accomplish pretty much. Almost exactly what you'd be able to accomplish being in the same room with a with a quarterback now I was just thinking as you were explaining that. How much in my brief side of the vikings i get out of sitting next brad johnson and just kind of watching how he took into meeting how he absorbed it and i could not copy what he was writing but i can follow his lead as the how to get the most out of the meeting and these guys they don't really have that example sitting next to them now. That's a great point. The therapy that are missing out on. Yeah i think. I think though look it's one of the reasons why when you saw the philadelphia eagles trade from six to twelve one of one of the unspoken reasons for that trade is that the eagles feel like next year. How whatever percentage thirty forty fifty percent. They're gonna know so much more about the average prospect in the twenty twenty two draft compared to this year because there wasn't a full season in college football they're scouts couldn't go on campus Many of the really good players didn't play. So you've got all these guys many of them who you're gonna pick in the first round who have not played football game in four hundred days and so i think teams like philadelphia when they did trade down to get draft capital for the future. I think one of the reasons they did it was. They're going to have a lot more certainty in twenty twenty two right and then twenty one talking about philadelphia train down. We were just talking about atlanta theater. And i was wondering if i've been reading about atlanta. I know how it works when it seemed on trade up when they have a player they want they can call around and say a. We'll give you this rain a trade down. Are you the team making that. Call two teams behind you and saying. Hey we'd be willing to to get out of this ticket you wanna come up well. There's no question that i would. I'd be surprised if all the teams from about four to maybe about. Let's say twelve. Maybe with the possible exception of the giants because the giants are not a team that moves around a lot But i would be surprised if if if a lot of those teams starting. Let's say a on the friday before the draft. They're going to be calling every team and say. Hey listen just keep us in mind. Don't make a move until you talk to us. If you're interested in coming up we'll be reasonable And i also think more than that. There will be teams. Like let's say new. England that will. I would guess by monday or tuesday before the draft. Just begin to make calls in fact fine and say what are you looking for. If you're sitting there and you'd be willing to to move down. And and like. I said i think i mean i. I've been thinking a lot about what i'm going to do in my mock draft which is not for another week and a half. But i've been thinking a lot about it. What makes sense to me is to have new england. Trie dallas at ten. That's a round win. You would think that if there's a quarterback left on the board you don't want to let many more picks go by because somebody behind me say washington at nineteen chicago. Twenty could jump over you to get that quarterback if they're interested as well so you probably want to have some idea that point and you wanna let dallas no. Hey listen if you're not if you didn't have your heart set on making a pick make sure that you You you you talked to. At this point it does feel like either fields or lance will be there at ten with the way things have played out. Could it could be but you know i. This is such a weird weird draft that it although it seems that one of them could still be. There i will. I will be shocked if somebody jumps up to eight or carolina picks one or maybe denver picks one. So i just think this draft is gonna be really really fun because a couple of things are gonna happen that we truly do not see right now right and they'll probably have to do with lance or fields and thing guests that you have john belk deem that he's worked with both of these guys but before you get so i've just been here kind of thinking. I wonder. Peter tried to get at if john light one more than the other or if he sees something and want he doesn't see the other of course he wants to speak well of all of them. But did you did. You have a mindset to try and get some well. I'm talking to him later on this afternoon. So i haven't avid. I haven't asked him that but from from my conversations with him In the last couple of months. I have a feeling that even if he felt that way he probably would wouldn't share But but i do think one of the things. I like about john. Berg is that he's a relentlessly positive person and He is going to explain to all the players. Hey look in two thousand seven. The miami dolphins told me that i was the future quarterback and that ended pretty quick. So you know. Take advantage of your opportunity. Don't let don't let any time go to waste because you just you never know how fleeting your chance is going to be. Yeah but yeah. I'm looking forward to soon as we finish up in a few minutes. I'm going to. I'm going to get him so it'll be interesting. Paul i appreciate you taking the time. This week You know. I think next week is i think about my column for next week are just going to try to do as much gossip as i can as many things as i hear. Because it's what everybody's curious about right now so hopefully hopefully next week we'll have some fun fun little tidbits to To bat around no better time to focus on gossip and the couple of weeks before the draft theater so well-played played there. Yeah what's going on. Everybody is japan. Doug smith alongside will lowery welcoming you to be on the fairway golf channels newest weekly podcast. Not only are. We asked me to listen to with what we want you to hear us wherever you get your pockets. My thanks to paul. Now let's talk to john belk quarterback tuner for three of the top picks in this year's draft. So we're back happy to be joined by john. Belk the second round. Pick of the miami dolphins in two thousand seven and now he's moved on post career to run a very reputable very popular Quarterback tutorial service three d. Qb with adam. Dato and taylor. Kelly in southern california and the list of quarterbacks if you're using three d qb's huge but for the purposes of our session today. John we'll talk about some of the quarterbacks your tutoring to prepare for this draft. Obviously zack wilson. The brigham young quarterback in addition You've worked with justin fields. The ohio state quarterback. He has a second crow day on wednesday of this week. That's when this podcast will air n on monday next monday. The second pro day for the north dakota state quarterback who i think is just absolutely kind fascinating quarterback And i think that that right now so many people. We are going to get to all of the quarterbacks in a moment. But i think so. Many people right now are so concerned. And so interested with all of your quarterbacks but probably no more. There's no quarterback that people are more interested in a tray lance of north dakota state. So we'll get a good discussion going on all three of your quarterbacks. But i think first of all what really interests me about your career is people really forget that fourteen years ago you were in the shoes. A lot in the shoes of a lot of these young kids umer a prime quarterback prospect out of brigham young. You've got picked fortieth in the draft that year by the miami dolphins who had just finished two year run with nick sabin and so they wiping the slate clean and on the day of that draft. I don't know what you thought. But i thought hey john bank. They got their quarterback in the future. So you've got a really interesting story about how that went. i just. i'd love our listeners. To hear what you're right. That's how i felt as well When i got selected it was really exciting day in my life all those years of hard work from a kid all the way up through college with that journey all quarterbacks go on right. it's that dream that you set. When you're a little boy saying i want to play in the nfl sunday and it's a really cool and special moment. When you have that dream realized you get to hear your name called or you're on the phone with the head. Coach informat absurd. They basically are saying you know we're picking you to be our guy. It was exciting. The first time. I went down to miami. I flew there right after. I got drafted. They sit you down. You know you go to the whole media blitz with everybody the coaches talk to you in the you walk in the head coach's office and he said i'm really pumped to get you. You know this is going to be an exciting thing. There's a lot of hard work ahead but we believe you can do it. Those are all exciting things You know the reality of the situation is and i really try to get this message across to all the quarterbacks that i trained through this process is that you do not know the situation that you're going into and you don't get to pick the situation you're going into and although i was extremely excited to be a part of the miami dolphins excited for the prospects of the starting quarterback of the future there. That's not the reality of what took place There were a lot of difficult times throughout that year. We had a starter trent green. That got injured. Cleo lemon came in then. We're oh and i believe it will nine hundred ten. I become the started. Like that's the reality of the nfl and the great part of that story that you once told me is that they told you. Hey listen you're gonna sit this year and then you know you're gonna just absorb everything this year and then the roof caves in and all of a sudden you're part of the caving now is exactly true. Yeah i can remember you know. They said we're gonna put you there. Exact words where we believe that. The aaron rodgers and philip rivers plan is the best plan for a quarterback to develop in this league. You need time to learn our offense. You need an adjustment period to adjust to the nfl game to play the way that we want the quarterback to play and so our plan is the exact words. Were philip rivers in aaron rodgers playing. We don't see you having to play this year. A trend green is our guy. That's why we brought him here. We don't know what you're to looks like but this is the and you're right. It went from a plan. And of course you know as a quarterback that played. Hey you know. I always got to prepare like. I'm the starter it's not like i slacked at all or it wasn't still going through my like my reviews or taking tape home. I still did all those things but yeah all of the sudden you know the season just starts looking a little bit different each and every week and with each loss that keeps building up in mounting in that you know they have the player run meetings in the the ocean everybody down. How are we going to turn this ship around. Then you know. You're starting quarterback gets injured. And then he's not coming back for the year. I mean all those things start happening and then players that were traded away. That were you know wes. Welker was traded for traffic that year. Chris chambers was traded for draft that year to really key weapons from the season before now are no longer on the team in. Its for the future. But you're wondering. What does the future hold in. Its i mean looking back. Now it's definitely wild experiencing like in that moment. I was just a naive rookie in the nfl with eyes wide open. Just wondering is this normal. But ital- goes sometimes the thing. I thought one of the things that at least you know when we have had discussions about this. I think the fact that you're able to have the kind of perspective that you can say to to a young quarterback that essentially you have no idea. And you have no choice about what you're getting into. And we'll talk about. Zack wilson here but see. I really wonder zack wilson. He's a key to grow up in this semi small town in utah. Draper utah You know a big big event for him as a kid was going with the family to see the utah utes and you know to go see a football game. They had tickets on the fifty yard line and then when goes to college he goes to byu. So he's been in this sort of utah bubble in his in his life and he grew up there he went to high school. There went to college there. And now he's going twenty two hundred miles away to a place where on the back pages of the tabloids. They're already screaming broadway. Zach and hazak wilson no pressure. They just want you to be the next joe namus and and by the way. They've drafted about thirty quarterback since joe name is that none of them works so good lock. But how do you handle that. Lets us wilson as an example. But how do you talk to him about the weight of expectations. I think all quarterbacks in the nfl have to deal with expectations. I think that there are definite some cities some media markets that place more of those expectations and pressures on the quarterback than others. I believe there's organizations Whether it's a new york organization or whether it's like my situation in miami when you walk in the building. There's two gigantic pictures of dan marino. When bob greasy. And what's miami to do. They're trying to find the next. Dan marino in every quarterback knows that right in. You know if you watch like a monday night. Football sunday night game. I always get a picture of somebody that i coach. Pop warner somebody whatever. Hits a take a snapshot of tv screen of the like seventeen quarterbacks or twenty whatever quarterbacks that have taken a snap since dan marino and you know they're i'm up there so i get it and that's just part of the game when you decide to play quarterback expectations pressure although things report of the game when you get picked to a place like new york. That's just just comes with the job and i think for zach. It's going to be about understanding. It's not about him. The second he shows up meeting all those expectations. It's not about him needing to be fully aware of the expectations. That are already. They're already has that awareness and he doesn't need to worry about that. It's not about adding more weight to your shoulders. It's about actually. How can i play free. How can i play as if there's not a wait there that takes practice that takes mental training It's gonna take some ups and downs quite honestly he's going to need to experience some things early career that then when he step by step back and reflect on those he will grow as a human being in as a quarterback in the nfl and he will be able to handle those better the next offseason the next season. Nobody shows up to this league. Ready for all those things that they're going to face. So the the other. Part of zack wilson that that interest me that you have. You've done a lot with him on. Is it one year ago. Zack wilson was a was a was battling for the starting quarterback job at brigham young. He was in a three man competition for the starting quarterback job at brigham young. So take me into last off season. The covid season. When as i wrote recently you know seven or eight times. He got his car in provo and drove to see you in southern california for maybe a long weekend or maybe longer than that but you know. That's how desperate he was really make his mark. Yeah i the season before he was the guy right and it just didn't end like they wanted. They finished with a loss against san diego state. In a loss to hawaii in a ballgame right so the coaches opened it back up. The cool thing is the way that zach approached everything when kovic. It's it was the first time and this doesn't ever happen in college where the players. They can't be there so he did was he said. I'm going to take full advantage of this opportunity. I wanna be there as much as i can to improve the most cam and one aspect of this. That sometimes gets forgotten. Is that heading into his sophomore year. It was all about rehabilitation from a shoulder surgery. The year going into his junior year he was healthy and got to really push himself. But you're right. There was a quarterback competition. The coaches made it that way and during our workouts. The emphasis was on improvement. The emphasis was on the the things that he utilized from his experience to make better decisions to recognize. Hey i a really good athlete. But i don't always need to lean on that so much. What are some things. That i can improve on so that as i move in the pocket. I don't escaped one pressure leading into another all. Those were things that were set for him to just play a solid successful season. So these things that are taking place. It's really that old adage of if you just put your head down in good things happen and that's quite friendly with zak. Did he was not concerned with the nfl status. He wasn't concerned with what list he was on. You know mel kiper list or a todd. Mcshay list that was so far distant for him. It was something in the future. You just wanted to have a good junior year and put his head down in work and now all of these things that are happening. Really the fruits of those labor's what's he like is a student a student of game. He's phenomenal phenomenal loves. The game loves to study soaks. It up you know. I mean he always has that ding ipad was. He's always just like watching tape. He just loves when. I would spend time over at his place when he was training here and he had an off afternoon it was. Let's spend some time together. And when i would walk in the house the ipad was already out and i know it wasn't there to prepare for meeting like okay. I got it out. Because i know we're gonna watch itself. It was already out. That's just the way that he is. So you know. Whatever team gets The student the game he is. Did you know that when he was on some of these trips to see you that in his off time when he was there he's doing door dash to make money. Yeah yeah. He told us he would tell some of the stories that he had of door dashing. There's pretty interesting stories of people. The door dash but yeah he would tell us he's like hey i'm down here to train And that's my number one reason why i'm down here and when i have time off you know i i don't have like a set job back in college so it always helps for me to make a little bit a cashier in there. So i'm going to do that. I'm gonna door dash and he would say yeah. I ask for like five or six hours last night. The people in southern california right now that received their door dash from wherever he ends up. You know i forget. I think it was the offensive coordinator at brigham young. Told me that One guy. Last year when i guess during the summer when when pratt when they were practising zach would do it at night you know after after practice when he had a couple of hours in provo and one guy. I guess one time said to him. Oh my god. I just got my dinner from zack wilson. He's our quarterback. Yeah no i think you know. I mean zacks. Really good at time management He really knows how to put the most important things in i am you know for him. It's football time. And he makes sure that he takes time for that and then when he doesn't do football time he's not just like loaf around time he's a very productive being driven by his own productivity and efficiency in sports but it carries into other things. I'm so for him. He was like it's time unoccupied with anything football related. So i'm gonna do it. I'm going to make some money. He's a thoughtful. Kitty always wants to do nice things for his family members. I know there was a few circumstances where he was earning money to get some stuff for his parents. Also he's a thoughtful kid in terms of recognizing how much his dad does for him and that his dad was covering a lot of these bills and he felt. Like you know what my dad did know that. I'm grateful and so i can buy my own flight. I can facilitate it so by doesn't have to buy my flight and i wanted you know by my own flight if i fly out here. He's a really good solid kid in a doesn't surprise me. Some of those stories of just. When i hear from other people that he would do the same thing in provo. That's just the type of person is when you think of him. Being in new york with the mike leflore offense which is a lot of obviously. It's you know he's worked with kyle shanahan lot. What do you think of zack's fit in that offense and from what you know of the conversations and zoom meetings between zack in the jets. How are they going. I think it's a perfect fit When you look at what zach. Really the table and what. This is going to go all the way to mike. You know what. Mike wanted in that offense when he was utilizing it in denver in washington. The things that he feels mike shanahan. You're talking about what makes that offense. The best remember. Kyle like kyle's a believer in his dad system calls coach in that system for a long time so he knows exactly what works And then you got underneath him right. And there's there's matlock floors mike. Leflore the sean mcvay. And they're all they all recognize. What works best that offense and i think it's if i could have handpicked from the offenses that i know. Well which one would fit zach best it would absolutely be that one he brings such a skillset able to get out on the edges to be using the key per game to play pass game he can drive balls in very small space off unique platforms as he's moving. He's also a guy that can recognize it coverage unavailable to throw to throws almost within the same hit because of how he gets this great shoulder turn inflict eunice so i think it's a great fit for my understanding. The interviews are going really good with teams. You know the jets are getting an opportunity to know zach as best. They possibly can outside of being able to do a private workout right like normal years. They would be able to fly all their guys out there in a room where they don't get that this year. So these these zoom meetings. It's a huge part of if they choose to pigs zach. This is how they're going to get to know him and i so far. It sounds like they're going really well. What's the culture shock aspect of it going to be like for him. We've talked about that about the culture shock. How different is look. It's just the reality of the united states right. There's different areas of the united states. That are different. I've shared with him. My experience of growing up in phoenix arizona. Utah miami right and there's a difference there and we've talked about what it's going to be like for him. If in fact the new york jets do select him up. Just he's been to new york before he's been to jersey before but he was going as not living there right. He's there to visit new york as like a tourist. At this time. It's gonna be different right and we also talked about if they do select him. Just how different is going to be in the media. Provo utah to new. York is a very big difference in terms of how the media covers their football team There's something that i think. Byu does a great job of is. There's a quarterback tradition there because of the guys that have gone before the gifford nielsen. The marquis as the steve young. Jim mcmahon tie. Detmer's steve's are keesing. There's a lot of great quarterbacks in there so there's an expectation that i believe when you play football at byu. It does prepare you for the expectations of the nfl. But that being said it is magnified when you get to the nfl. Those media markets are bigger the intensity of the way that they've been. You can say scrutinize the quarterback. It is different. But i think the he'll be well prepared for that. There will be a culture shock. There will be a shock of him of being so far from home. He's a family kid. Group draper went to. Byu is very tight with his siblings with his parents. And it'll be the first time he's a long ways away. But i think for any young man those opportunities when you leave your family and you really grow our great for your personal development and i believe that he'll be able to mature in a lot of areas and it'll benefit him as he goes to lead a team wherever that is So i think outside of football it'll be a great experience within football if it is a new york jets. I think it's a great fit a great opportunity twenty for him to grow. Because you know all those guys into the league they do need to grow into. Nfl starting quarterbacks in two leaders of nfl franchise. i don't believe there's very many. Is it just walk in off the college campus in shock to the Ready for all that. Start by justin fields for a minute i. i'm. I'm really interested in him and look john. I'm not a big college football watcher. But i watched ohio state clemson and i was watching the game because i really wanted to see this matchup of quarterbacks and i mean it wasn't much of a match up. Just reels was the best quarterback by far that day for a lot of different reasons. But what impressed me. So much about him is how he took one of the all time shots that a quarterback can take in the middle of the second quarter. Any he goes on a game he gets hit in the ribs. I don i said oh my god that guy. That guy is not. he's not coming back. Mrs one play comes back through four touchdowns after that outplays trevor lawrence and obviously ohio state wins. The game is really really impressed. That day at fast forward to the controversy of a couple of weeks ago. When you know does trevor does justin fields love. Football is a hard worker. And i was thinking to myself. That just really doesn't sound like the guy who i'm watching right. The guy who i watched on tv but tell me about him as a person a worker. And what you've seen him in the time that you've worked with them while you're absolutely right. He was a warrior that night against clemson and he battled continuously after that. Most people won't know this because they didn't have an opportunity post january right after those games to be around but we did hear. He still was unable to be one hundred percent for weeks after that last game that he played in. That's how that's how severe that rib injury was. That's how you know the things that he played through when somebody plays outweigh that shows. Just how dedicated. They are to their craft to their team to being competitor. Right like to me. When i see that i think ultimate competitor looking for they want somebody that wants to go out and compete so bad that no matter what shot they take no matter how bad it hurts or even if they themselves know that they're no longer one hundred percent and they're out there eighty two percent. They're walking out on the field because they wanna be out there so in my experience with justin here in california. He's been great. He's shown all the traits that you need to have the nfl starting quarterback. He's shown the work that he's shown the desire to to stay late. I mean there's so many days that we finish the throwing session. He walks over grabs. A drink grabs his football walks right back out and says hey i just wanna hit a few more things. I just wanna feel this. I want to work on that. And i had times with him and he said hey. Can i come in on the off day and work on some extra things absolutely. Hey i just got this information from this team. I wanna go over it. Can you come help me go over. If i can learn the best i possibly can to me that demonstrates somebody that has a great desire to want to be the very best. He candidate does absolutely love the game. And i think for whatever team picks justin. I think that they're gonna love the way that he approaches the things that he does in the way they approach is improving in his craft. That's a that's that is a good A good summation of him. And i appreciate you doing that. What would you say That is important for him at his pro day tomorrow. I think it's be himself right. It may seem like this pro. Is there to convince somebody. That's on the fence of a decision but to me. That's not what it's about to me. I look at it as there were so many pro days. That all happened so fast and these teams could only send so many people right so they had to pick brings us on that day of who went well. There's no individual workouts. There's no private workouts. What about these teams. That really want to dive deeper into somebody that they don't have the opportunity to me. It's just about another opportunity in a very strange year to give more teams a chance to see you. So i just think for him and we talked about going out and doing what you did on your product. You have to do anything different. You put together a great You've worked extremely hard these last couple of months. You had a great two years at ohio. State you into the playoffs. You're like teams have already seen you on tape enough. All they wanna do is they wanna stand in the same building as you see you ten fifteen yards away and watch you do. That's all you gotta do so to me. That's you know that's it wondering why here or there is not going to convince somebody that sitting on the fence. It's about just them getting to see you lies. I wonder when you look at his style of play. Is their offense among the teams. You know like San francisco Maybe atlanta carolina new england chicago. When you think it'd maybe even denver when you think of all those teams that might be in contention to take them. Does anything jump out to you as a team. That would be a particularly good match. I see A similar skill set like some of the things that i described that offense likes The kyle shanahan what they're going to be running in atlanta you know. Here's the thing. There are quarterbacks that have skill sets can fit in a lot of offenses right. Would that quarterback needs. It's time to develop within that offense Are there some elements of the offense that we've talked about that. I think is just a simple easy fit for the things that just brings to the table absolutely but because he has so many skills. There's a lot of offenses that would love to have a player like that. I think that there's some teams that you know. Maybe they didn't think a guy like justin would be in that spot where they could draft him. Maybe they're sitting at like you know Those picks between like seven eight nine ten right like we never even thought we would get a potential for justice fields but maybe however it shakes down. There's a chance. Or maybe you have team sitting like a new england or a denver. Who says can we bump up a couple of spots to make sure we get him absolutely. Do i think he could still be a great fit. And those offenses. I do Life cal shanahan offense And the coaches that coach within that system at other organizations i see so many things that justin dozen i say wow that fits those offenses really well and those coaches when they watch him on tape when they watch him throw. They can see things that would be great utilized in their offense. Yeah trey lands is interesting to me because obviously you know. He's played only one game last year. And it's it's a division one aa level. Whatever it's called now. And i wonder when you have gotten to work with dizzy. Seem precocious a little bit beyond his years. Does he seem like he's ready to take this huge jump even though he probably hasn't had the sort of requisite time in the saddle of that level that you'd like i love the energy that he brings You can feel his desire his drive. I wasn't the one that got to train him leading up to his Protect yeah yeah. So i've able to be around him for a few weeks in in my time with him. The the word that i use is eager you can sense and feel his eagerness in everything that he does. He recognizes the position that he's in in terms of opportunity and also in terms of the reality that is coming from right. He recognizes the time that he spent. This is how many games he played. He can't change anything about that right now. He missed pretty much his entire season last year. Not by his choice. The one game that he played in was pretty much because he worked really hard to get that game. I know that if he could have played the whole season he would have absolutely done it right. So it's one of those things that you know. Unfortunately the circumstances that the world was in last year took games away from. There's nothing you can do about that. But he's eager for the opportunity that's in front of. He works really really hard. I love the attitude that i feel around him when he gets on the board when he watches tape to me. You know you can say. Oh well does. He have all the experience that he should have. Of course. you can jot down a number and say hey it'd be great. If he had this many starts he doesn't does that. Mean that he's not gonna be ready. Does that mean that because of that. He's a leg. I mean he's a leg behind some of these other people who can say that right. Sometimes you see quarterbacks that waste their time by their time mack jones weight. His time has played one season in alabama and is now going to be a top pick right so you can't necessarily say that it's all just by the number of starts to me a like his approach. I believe that if you want to be successful in the nfl you have to have a process. approach a mindset and the people around. You need to fill that. I absolutely do feel that from tray every time around and give me the idea of how much time during an average day you spend on the phone with nfl coaches gm's assistant coaches. Who were trying to really do. Deep downloads into the players. You're working with. I'm guessing my wife would be the one that would probably actually be able to nail that on the head because there are a lot of times it's like you are on the phone all day long when you're not at work i mean look for me because i i love football right and i love those conversations. They just roll but you know this time of year. It happens a lot. We've been fortunate you know here. Three d. tv to have the opportunity train. A bunch of guys you know. We haven't mentioned him yet. But kyle and caja castillo are two more quarterbacks that we've been training we've had kyle from the get go in january all the way up. There's a lot of teams that reached out to me on his behalf. So there's lot yes you're right. I mean most of the time that come off the field. Unusually on the field for about seven am to a little after twelve or one o'clock. And when i step off the field i always have either voicemails text messages all that stuff to get back to quite honestly. I don't always have enough time in the dating back to all of them but It's exciting because it's all for these guys right like these guys are tired. They've earned that they've earned those opportunities for teams to be calling and saying. Hey tell me about this guy. And it's great for me to have an opportunity to share all the positives. And i'm very real with these coaches right. Like i wanna see all those guys zach. Justin trade kyle k. j. I wanna see all of them succeed but i know because of my experience not all five of those guys. Go to perfect situations for them. Not all of those guys are going to great playoff caliber teams the reality and a journey ahead of them and the more that i can help those coaches know who they really are the things that they're good at the things that need to work on. How if i could keep coaching them. What are some things. That i've seen and how i can give that to their next coach that will help speed up that process. That's to me the huge value in my time. Talking to coaches to gm's to scouting department's that's going to help them develop their players. I wanna see all of them go somewhere or they can be developed. Any will be kyle. Trask is sort of an interesting prospect. Just from this standpoint. I've just assumed all along that you know he's probably gonna be. I don't know low to three somewhere in there. I don't know but last week two teams said. Hey i heard There's a couple of teams down low in the first round or trading back up from high in the second round. Might be coming back to get kyle. Trask and i said. Wow first round six quarterbacks in the first round i mean you don't know it's kind of funny. I did a an exercise last week. That you know i look dad. How many quarterbacks are getting picked you know like number one overall this year in comparing him to a generation or two ago i mean when boomer siobhan was drafted in the nfl in nineteen eighty-four. He was the thirty seven overall pick and he was the first quarterback pick and the next year when randall cunningham was the first quarterback pig. He was the thirty eighth pick. And so you're talking about. Life is changed drastically to people. The reason why i think john. It's fair to say the reason you have a job and the reason that your phone is ringing for sixteen hours a day. It's because of the desperation of nfl teams to find that guy. Yeah i think they're looking. I think Like you and i have talked before. This is a really interesting year. For the number of quarterbacks that are either exiting the league changing teams the numbers. I mean it's really a changing of the guard in the nfl For a lot of these franchises in the quarterbacks that they've been used to having you know. I think here's the thing that always comes into quarterbacks win they're picked it comes to the team right if you go to all thirty two teams draft board. They're probably going to have different orders for all their guys right and so really what it comes down to. His is that guy that they've had their eye on there or do they have a higher grade for somebody that didn't anticipate to be there and he's still there or is there somebody where they say we don't want to wait. We see a lot of value. May maybe we can jump up and get him. I think that the change in the rookie deals has impacted. That i think with also the size of contracts being signed now by quarterbacks for their second deal with how big they are that also impacts it. You know there's the business side of pro. Football is always there where teams have to try to put together the best team they can within a budget. And so if you're looking at where's the most value. I can get in a quarterback nowadays. It's a young quarterback that has like a contract yet. So if you can go reach up and grab a guy that you believe can be. Your starting quarterback can do it as a rookie and having for handful years before you have to pay him that really big second contract. That's a huge value to your team. John beck three d. Qb really appreciate you. Taking the time in educating us about this fund business analyst. Very very fun drafts. That's gonna come up on weekend of april twenty ninth. Thanks so much. You're welcome computer talking to my. Thanks john belk to paul burmeister and we're getting into a pretty hot time of year now so make sure you you listen to the podcast. next week. You read football morning in america to pass along some good gossip next monday in a column and for those who are mock draft aficionados. I'm really not but I am one one week year. My mock draft is going to be in my april twenty six football morning in america column so make sure that You're writing early Wherever you live on this planet That'll be up in the wee hours of of that of that anyway. Thanks a lot for listening this week with forward to another peter king podcast next week.

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"Need for mature audiences. The views and opinions expressed are those of the panelists and do not reflect in any way those are the podcast partners sponsors or affiliates enjoy other com. Ca the bison triple this here. We're now that take power dot com welcome back. Welcome back ladies and gentlemen to another addition of the box and voice radio. I'm your host nesta. Gibbs joined alongside michael gross in. We're going to be discussing this. Weekend's boxing see all the boxing took place this weekend on e._s._p._n. And e._s._p._n. Plus as well as any news and notes notes that might be out there any big headlines that you might have missed. This is where we will recap them the number to call in and give your opinion on any of the topics that we will be discussing one four to five five six nine fifty to forty one press one one time voice your opinion right here on the voice of the people hotline. Don't forget you can add nestor gibbs on skype to be part of the conversation so four topics for main topics for today. E._s._p._n.'s card art e._s._p._n. Plus plus e._s._p._n. We will be discussing as well whether or not is it true. Is it possible you tell us saudi arabia foy mayweather vs manny pacquiao or they following in the footsteps of ruis joshua two will also discuss granada canonic his legal issues <hes> you know basically giving everybody in his team the boot and then obviously last is but not least we will be talking anthony joshua and andy ruiz but we'll be talking. Actually frank warren's perspective on this and basically saying this is a cash shop among other things. He's said a lot you know. He said ruis has is a good case not to go there if they went to court but he's calling this a cash-out among others right so we have other news and notes to get to but those are the big four four so stick around hit that thumbs up if you're just joining us right here we're gonna be talking some boxing telephone itself friend. Let's go out to indiana big mike. Would he do dog. It was dot com taste buds dot com yo yo yo yo what up to everybody out the t._v. The universe back with another one yemen man great night granada fight matt like a never read tell you man. He's a big one. Twenty two seems to pack a lot of powers would definitely breakdown that fight but we got news notes <hes> horror hey look the nar is back in september in tokyo. How many the <hes> mcgill says he wants to move up to one sixty and he got his eyes set on canola so he's not going to russia but definitely a fight that he wants energy future but we got a the stuff to talk about so with no further doing this was going on what up man what up so <hes> we didn't have that much box and even though we had a whole whole bunch of boxing right now but over on top rank <hes> bob arum e._s._p._n. Plus gave us a decent card. I mean all the sides were in. You know fights that they were supposed to win <hes> but we can start from the very beginning dimitri dimitri young <hes> what if i yeah started off you know this fi made me you google the opponent and check <hes> did he come off of a win was coming off the loss and just making ensure that they were matchmaking probably because watching this guy go down in the first round i said damn. Is this roby. See ramirez all over again. Dan like what the hell's going on over at bring dmitri test. Laiwu damages went down the first round. Wow now a end up going down twice this way contest aveer martinez thirty six year old journeymen absolutely no technique to assume just big big puncher. I gotta say he must get like not. Even is now because this now p eight times got two points point. I didn't know if he was doing that on purpose and that was the biggest issue imagine he doesn't get those two points deducted. He wins this fight or at the very lisa droll. You know two knockdowns you know. I don't know i mean it was a six round too so maybe he can still lost but it would definitely been hard man. I'm telling you denied downs with big man show that he had a lot of power to i. I think i did box recommend like a split decision the last five or something like that but the young in he here are by decision so he doesn't live with young going to definitely have a tough road. If he's those into a guy we're not losing beginning knocked down by a guy like this guy was like four and six. I believe you know what i'm saying and he came out with that mask their white count on a mask of danny's mass but it was like a little bit different but i thought that was going to go so <hes> you know he's with the eagles cleanest gang over there all the russians and ukrainians iranians and he was supposed to be the goods. I guess they'll pump the brakes on them. Because he went down in his first fight to dmitri young so <hes> <hes> you know he was also deducted one point for him <hes> behind the head in his last fight so actually he didn't go down. That's that's what he was. He had a point deduction so he was fighting off a deficit in that i four around now in this six round the he went down twice once in a first and once in a third <hes> but <hes> i don't know what to say about him. Bro you know <hes> he was doing good work and he just get you know he would get caught. He was only losing whenever he got caught <hes>. Obviously you know he was backing up in a straight line. He was making some mistakes. He had his hands down and stuff like that at times <hes> but he didn't really seem to have too much pop right like this thirty six year old dude javier. Obviously it really showed that he was thirty six in my opinion. When there was points where young was just boxing the shit out of the second in third round but at fort riley he got called again or whether the third reich but amer between those points he was doing tremendous job keeping his range moving around <hes> really boxing just let the head but as soon as he got into like a little squabble little inside fighting and do what they're big should he. He just just kentucky power. Wow i just didn't like his power though because he was working to the body he was working in combination and he couldn't get this guy out of there at all. Now i get this guy's never been stopped but like he wasn't even getting a knockdown you know he was beating them to the body but not gonna spend too much time on young prospect coming out of that <hes> obviously top rank. We'll see what happens you know. As soon as i seen him get dropped twice. I thought to myself damn would they would. They cut him like they did solomon right like what are the grounds to being cut from a promotional contract. Are these it right. I fight point deduction induction second fights who knockdowns it ain't looking good. If it's a report card that's for sure <hes> the next fight was john belk. <hes> <hes> i li mccully <hes> he stopped stewart mckellen your i'm gonna say this bro. I talk a lotta shit on this show and i get it bro bro but <hes> i do honestly i'm better than stuart mccall. Yes yes or no bullshit. I dunno oh yeah oh the fact that he has some nice shorts with w._b._z. Patches and everything in like his name and glitter. I'm like what the fuck is going on. Who did that dude has absolutely no skill no south like god man. I don't wanna be fucking. Meanwhile gabrielle yeah but breath. No no no no. That's not being mean. That's telling the truth bro. I mean i've seen bar fights better than this dude skill. It was something allergists like brown. Where did they find this guy and especially like. I'm just glad i'm getting hurt because he was not supposed to being arraigned with with. I can't even say his name but yeah as opposed to being with him at all. I mean <hes> we'll go with john. Belk johnny becker jenny jenny beck right it was they were saying jani beg whatever we'll go back and i don't know about his power. Though this is seven five circeo he wasn't i. I mean this do right. Here was a bomb like yeah. I feel super-safe saying he's a bum because the do the challenges me like yo. You can't be calling no fighters uh-huh. I'll fight that dude fi stewart advice stewart. I call him a bump because i'm willing to fight them. I won't call joshua no bump because i hang on fi. Josh fuck out here that do man top bring should be ashamed themselves. Let me tell you something. I just thought first of whoa defy should have been stopped indoors. It should have been star. Jam begged don't like he got no power so they let it go on until they finally stopped. It like like this deal was going to come from behind with a knockout. I mean this do not belong there. That's all i can say no. It was a fight a couple of months ago where it was a black guy. After the guy who decided it was time bring to the black guy leagues was moving turkey like he was not supposed to be interesting so top rank is not the first time doing this is like the second time that i can. I remember my brother. The fact that these things are on t._v. And they don't care that they showcases like to this degree. It's insane third but yeah man jambek look good combination punches. Since an aggressor rashomon an entertainer he egged on the crowd wanted them to get involved so i'm willing to see him again. I'm not gonna hold the stewart mckellen opponent against him he only fight who's in front of them but <hes> someone that i'm hoping i could get behind moping. Mike is hearing my words instead of twisting them in the future someone. I'm hoping i could get behind nine is <hes> freddie roach train elvis rodriguez swing bow on top rank card dominican south pole <hes> big power for what i see from the door. He's definitely right hook happy and he needs to be told to work off the jab. He immediately really got a first round. Knock down so i mean he went hooked crazy but ultimately got the stoppage is looking good second stoppage appanage. They're calling him a puncher but at this level i fifteen you should be stopping now. I know that might change now with this generation of all the fighters fighters being on tv. Maybe they get tougher. Opposition sooner hence robed ramirez but <hes> joe rodriguez looking nice. You know front door mike. I was like saying to myself man. I hope he leaves roach. I don't believe in roach no more. I'm just keeping a g. I don't care if he gets his mad like. I don't know who is winning with the pack our win. That's never i never gave him credit for that. I was one of those haters that never like come on like pakistan was always going to be just like was always going to be because we seen roach amphorae trade different people and it just don't work even roger. Just don't work like those dudes with just specially. We're going to be who they were. Just like virgil untoward. He was going to be who he was virgil healthy after the war it just ain't word it just saying you know what i'm saying so i wanna see my mango with somebody else man and i know that my sound disrespectful to a couple of listeners anna's and boxing enthusiasts and shit but like i don't know where freddie's over there showing people anymore man is just like you know i feel like he's he's too big and he's got too much work so i know he's pushing them off the whole andy ruis abel sanchez stories like he's he's too busy. He's too busy but whatever that's my piece. I mean i'm i won't go that far to give really a get rid of frady. Thank free spirit that he could help them outwitting on giving them things like that and maybe <hes> down the roy my move on freddie but right now for a look for i did like the kid last night shows power chosen pop down twice so i'm i'm excited to see ellis again hopefully that they bring him back quickly sent to fight well. The reason i say get rid of freddie is because look my if you go watch the fight is only like a two round fight he he gets the right hook knocked down. Then is just like right away. Like where's freddie -at's you'll come on pump that jab united sandy. The hook is gonna come. You know i don't know and i know that <hes> soon but i'm also factoring in. They're like yo. Freddie ain't been winning. He ain't been winning with who he more jinxed in a fucking winner at this point right now but yeah <hes> that was elvis rodriguez gets the stoppage also want to say man. The commentating is getting better but i was going to be agreed with decorative. Due date by the competition from is has gotten a lot better from especially from tim briley tim tim chana be real. Now i think i heard the show on his way to work man to make for doing a good job to on the took cars. Yes yes man. It's it's getting better. I who's gonna go. You know i was going to leave it like out there for the universe as because i was gonna say i don't know if it's because it wasn't a lot of boxing <hes> <hes> or they just doing better but i know for sure bradley's doing these tryin to do better and we'll talk about him a little late even though my left him off the news you know if he wanted to do it again. You purposely put enormous and we'll talk about that. Y you let them off because it ain't sue but it's all good you know what i'm saying. Let's talk about something else that you really don't want to talk about either. Easy pickings who's news nex. What's left chris been relieved leftovers tubby with warm mama whatever you wanna call them you know and no disrespect the kris van heading but my man as la bank whereas lubeck he should got stopped you know as the bag is stopped by terence crawford and we'll just end it there because we naming coming on take this kid across the street. We don't really deal with god by job. It is so out of here. Blessed cuts known saying a a big screen and mrs. schott having such a following he had to go forty fifty fifty people in the front right that was at least he was strange analysts around because you know it's tank was deceiving them on others yeah yeah do. The guy fought was just roughing rugged. He made the fight dirty and he was having some <hes>. Some successor was an but it just start using his lane start. Pivoting can really fuck talk with him <hes> he wanted to san but they do end up. That was just mcclain. Oh i thought it was going to be stopped but they went to yemen. That's what i'm saying when i seen him go ten. Would this do. The top rank found wherever they found him. I said to myself no because i know what they're doing so my thing is like all right. I'll play that game what you guys is he worth it. <hes> is he gonna give terrence rounds. 'cause that's what this is. This is the whole merry go round college bill terrence an opponent and it's just like van heerden name ready. He ain't ready. Don't put them in there with tyrants. Then is do goes down his legacy. He is to world title shots or like fighting earl for no title than fighting terrence for title when bowe fights he wasn't ready. He's just not ready. He's just not ready ready. You know he got some good boxing ability he pivots. He turns well but he ain't ready. He ain't ready for tara's man like lam. Fai collazo also remind build a guy out of those guys. Let let let the best man rise to the top then face crawford but but don't don't put these guys in crawford yet man. Let these guys get some real. I mean look he went ten with his do look like he was teen. Wolf turning incident instead of wolf during the fight like come on man yeah. I definitely don't think there should be a terrorist cover opponent anytime. I'm suzanne building up. You fight colossally fight a few days amiri mom like you say on san different opponents. Maybe call those dominance at one fifty four. I don't know if so be going up. Wait what is that. You're not as well two-way right. I'll double check but i'm pretty sure it was walter. That's all they were talking about you know and they were trying to you know they were trying to make them seem like he was doing good but then he was like losing his you know he is tank was just deceiving them and you can tell that this name has been thrown out two to beaumont because all year yeah. I really want to talk about do because he added talk about earl. Baheen really wanted to talk about earl. Because <hes> you know obviously is herb but he watched this fight because because even he was preparing for the for the telecast obviously which is the logical thing right it can be prepared for telecast always preparing for the fighter you know the name came across the desk and he's getting ready for that. Maybe a little bit both but i don't think it should be thrust into attorneys qualified right now. He's not like you said he's not ready in <hes> not on the level yet not no been no disrespect but tend to destroy his opponent last night and probably destroyed destroyed him in the same night <hes> but yeah man they want. They're they're trying to do something on your own tub ring trying to build a <hes> opponent trying to find somebody that they can <hes> make look good or or rows to the top like like you said out of logs and in bonn and now van here and so one of those guys is gonna be good enough to get a shot i i would expect them for to fight and they ended up to each other winners fighting each other than the winner gets chad crawford. The issue with our plan is crawford. Don't wanna wait you know and he doesn't deserve to be shelf because because the opposition sucks so today today. I'm definitely saying you know he's gonna have to fight one wanted them but today. I'm also saying the minute. The fights announced with one of these dudes not on his level. You know i'm gonna rip it but i understand that this is something has to be they. You can't just sit out when the last fight. I hope bob can make an offer to somebody a._b._c. Maybe you can eat danny trying to get got something like that. He's gonna do it for you. I mean i honestly speaking bro champion. I here's a common opponent thing. I hit that angle but is that whole felix dealers john molina terence colfer phase. That's gonna fall down. I'll you know he he didn't do a good enough job. In fighting show import. I know some people thought he won but that's the thing wasn't enough. People where at least felix is went into the crawford fight where a lot of people thought he'd beat lamont peterson. This is nothing like that. It's a lot of people that think guys beat her reporter. I'm not enough. I and i don't think that the the drum is being beat. As much as it was fulfilling. Zia's ba ca can phoenix doubted that doesn't matter he's dominican. He was trying jaw deals at the time. I highly doubt i mean guys can't speak english so they can't really bang the drum for self no incentive to the american public but i i really think that will guys did enough to win. I was one of the night a vibrant but here's what it is honestly speaking man man like <hes> it's even like even for danny like i need a fight from danny to know that he could be but unfortunately really he ain't like there's not an available tough fight out there on the take that a tell us that and hell no man y'all beating. Mikey means nothing to me. Okay i'm not saying you. I'm the same do that url beaten back in june two thousand eighteen amen nothing. I knew he would do it. He went around and did it only difference. He showed us that he could be mexican and throw it thousand punches cou cou. You know what i'm saying. <hes> i knew what was going to happen so for danny and look. I don't know i mean. I guess it would be good i do. I do want the fight to do want the five mike but i ain't gonna lie. I could jump on a just a i don't even make sense have mike or for danny and but it won't sue my argument for me to say that the the danny beating mikey prove it it doesn't prove it to me honestly like from the depths depths omaha to doesn't show me. She beat bud now. Now you gotta beat like abud. You gotta beat like a bud or like the flight for danny right now. Why don't we look at it. I mean because is the <hes> puerto rico in already tied up in the garment out the rest of the year danny and they team or strategic perfect so they go in the vacant w._b._a. Route bro the racing radio pack yeah. I was going to be good enough for him. I called pack cower eight champion on ten. He won't be like now danny. I'm telling you mario barrios might be versus danny dan i mean i mean look. I'm not saying i like it. Is danny going to sit out. He also sit out and wait. He's number one in the w._b._z. Away said the the winter between puerto rican <hes> spence mandatory to <hes> to take care of after that fight and we'd never know i._b._m. Going to spring up a way mandatory on <hes> spent so yeah and you got that dude <unk> abdul collado whatever the number one at number one. He had one since august fifth so <hes> yeah i mean for danny. Is he willing to cross that street. Though let's just be real man bob bob madaba great man don't see these dudes got kris burley. I know bring they like to do one or two. If you make a fight with them i wanna see vegas. I wanna see ya. I wanna see i wanna see philly. I wanted to new york city press tour and really get to this out to the masses y'all but think about it but when it comes to the other side they don't play fair man ramirez guy four million up words of four million. They said he's ramirez. They offer four million dany like you already know. They're not playing fit chanko getting off at five point afar. They're not playing fair. They're going to and the thing is eight no money for that fight. How many people does it do because look at look at the koran on fight like i honestly i thank colleagues on do that bad with cry. Did you go. I didn't think that perhaps as discard. What can you do not get knocked out about tens of course we we we don't i mean you're champion. It's champion on it but we don't think you can beat them. Like what can you do to get not from a guy who has a position like that. They're going to feel a lot of people that just spread to see like nobody dot com was it's going to be in a competition and i said when i was announced do not put this fight on pay per view what bob do he listened to me. He put on pay per view and you see what it did and now <hes> yeah people got more ammo and more evidence to go against squad for number bra. They gotta be mad over there. Demand managed poli man. I'm doomed in pay. Per view decisions are ultimately scars on his resume man <hes> and and and because of those pay per view mishaps is it even has me second guessing danny do it because that's that's another thing mike. Do you really wanna fight danny on pay per view and then turn around and be bombed and now everybody's saying it was danny like they telling earl. Oh it was mikey. Mikey earl got a now prove it in this fight that it wasn't mike you don't say no. It ain't fucking true. It's true he told me but i just think that and they do do something like that. Maybe co produced so you can run this shit on fox running on e._s._p._n. Like these guys they do pay per view. They don't put in their advertising one dollars like i don't see many it keep term and did a lot of advertising in our upwards of five hundred to six hundred thousands of that. That's a good look. They just keep on doing that and now you've got two guys in their prime who have history and amateurs will take shots at each other every now and again. I remember you with danny known saying he was nosy said a couple of things about corporate. So these guys got a little beef known salaam. I guarantee you wanna fight haven't or get announced a press. Conference can't really solidify cars. It's going to be a lotta shit talk. I don't think danny's go back in on tenor gone. I think he makes me. You see on social media. We want these guys like earl or danny or even keep. Those are the guys that are going. I wanna bring it out. The personality of your you know they probably overcooked that fight to man social media wasn't as hot back then but angel has some comments for terrence once and you know then terrence danny went at it. I think parents might call angel like cocaine at sutton. <hes> let me start talking about how they beat each other and how and danny basically ugly satellite bra. I beat you for free. Why won't i beat you for money now. This thing you do every bob i know you. I wanna get your guy. Kavaloudis deserve to be a tower challenge right now. Fight i signified ray robinson. I know he was gonna lose. Going in robinson gave a good fight until you get knocked out so it's just like no i don't want us to because i our relatively danny so hopefully if danny and mike you don't fight make danny nice often give him a million dollars to to to come in and fight put on pay per view. Do the proper advertising ron. Danny's against <hes> thermo runs allies against john porter. We're under granados knock out. You know what i'm saying. She do a good job and at really promote goes halftime. You gotta do pay per views like the promotion inside of is not great. Don't get all excess. We barely get him face to face like we need this to to make the casual fan more more excited about the fights so that's not take on it. I don't want to capitalize 'cause. I don't wanna see barrier. I don't wanna see <hes> <hes>. What's the guy named amir mary mom. I don't wanna see how they'd been again. I don't want snowden none of those guys and they come from parents golfer fan. I wanna see the best man. I won't see terms. Coffer dan a red hot dany right now coming off a big knockout granados was never been stopped before. I want to see denny in there with the winter quarter order in a spencer danny <hes> cropper and the winner of a puerto rican spent so it's just it's just frustrating man. 'cause we not getting these. The site is really hard. Aching to make is i feel like the public is being denied of some great great right now and i don't understand like west. What's the hold up in west the <hes>. Why can't we get these types knows the business. I understand that but when you gotta watch way division that's hot right now man with many on saying that people are paying attention to you. Gotta you gotta strike. Strike is hot knows and you can't just wait around and waiting around around and wait around people start to forget about this shit. Go here in this survey going on tangent. No no no no. I hear you man. I hear you <hes> let me see see what else do we got so that van heerden through us into a terrence car we use on barboza joined. The bean gives according to ricky. I'm only going to talk about this do because they try and this is what i'm saying. These top ranked diets are so strategic like they trying to do gaz like what's the guy's name patrick dot like those are like good but i don't know how they find these guys arnold arnold barboza. They china set him up for ramirez. I guess is going to be ramirez. Save how mark come back home and that's exactly what it is. There's no way come the home side kick him because he just beat the two titles. I would think that the window driza and zapata was gonna shot ramirez down the line. Why the fuck would you as a child as a champion just unify you wanna voluntary. You wanna know russel's period of tough i but i mean i think i think barboza is slow enough methodic enough that ramirez and robert garcia going jump on this fight. There's going to be a save mart. Savings come homecoming barbosa. He seems to have power. I don't know if he was a bodybuilder whatnot because he got like a wad as muscular bat but the duty was in there with the do look like a feather weight. It looks like it looks like a hundred and twenty six pounder and barboza just wasn't doing at one time. He almost hurt to do enough and a dude. Just went down like like like like almost like eriksson lubin drop but didn't go down. He like nah. I ain't giving you know knock down and i'm like get out of here. <hes> like bob i dunno barbosa is just not ready in my opinion i read it is a lot of these jews not ready but top rank. Is you know they ended up. It doesn't mean anything right like they. They saying yeah he wants. Shout ramirez. He might get a shot. I it really doesn't to me he gonna shop but sometimes you know when they say and stuff they set and you what they and you know what's to come and if this does come true man i'm pickin camaros by stoppage wouldn't mind sam barboza five tia's. I know mantilla's probably not mentally ready to come back here but i think there would be a good fight for a by. Those mt is what's the first name on the tears me right now but he default. He's got the maximum. Gotta share oh. I don't know what kind of mental space is right now but i mean <music> outside of everything that happened. He was he was showing that he could possibly billion be a player in one forty division so <hes> suprematism some crazy name but yeah i wanna see him back on on hoping they they bring him back google vicky samondo i bet you he was like a feather way. They bloomfield office fiber that fight like the crazy. He was so little really. Are you serious fight. I turn to turn to western carolina. I start watching barboza at one forty. I can't even lie his last shit. Dude been fined one forty five at least seven five insane. I'm sabrina sabrina. He's five five. He's five <hes> and barboza's. Five nine was looking like like six feet in there because he got the killer reach to that reaches law. Let me see how long is the moon does reach. Ah got knocked about a dollar shelter. Oh you what are you go <hes> well by both dig the stoppage <music>. I'm here. I guess man. I dunno it. Look slow to me brompton. He looked slow to me to me. Look you know look he. He looked basic. Brian look basically like do ramirez is going to look very fast against burn the maurice. I totally agree with you. Brother all know <hes> we'll whereas mental there right now but i do want him back in rain hopefully that don't don't kill us. A kid hopes and dreams like i know that probably could took a toll on jesse. Magdaleno gets a technical decision over rafael rivera and a tough ass fight are no say about. There's like <hes> i was. I had money do do it but he just he just can't jesse was just a little bit ahead of man a little bit ahead and we see why <hes> he's a tough challenge. As far as a remit ramirez iraq via remember <unk> birth rivera repair some a man i was just i was hoping he was going to pull off the upset but justice show some good skills and good for workers and good <hes> hannity's so i respect i respected i i would just i was just like it was on the comics. Come into the fight about maybe one guy stoppage jesse cal covered with some heavy shit. You know what i'm saying but couldn't get him out of here but at the nive around forest i <hes> technical decision due to cut so yeah yeah man <hes> before that cut though he was in a tough fight man you know i i got to see z. Is still mentally did like did improve that to me you know at times. <hes> rivera was putting pressure on them and he wasn't responding <hes> the way. I would've loved you know again. This is just a wid ending <hes>. I would have liked to see tough it out. The blood was causing issues as well you know even though he started to fight well with the blood towards the end. It was just allow a lot going on in this fight and <hes>. I wish we could have seen the true outcome but i think he's calling out. Who's he calling out. Who's calling out where yet one twenty six now. I don't no you gotta check because i seen <hes> he definitely said a title shot and and what's her name. <hes> ponchos was oh. Oh yeah yeah yeah they mentioned sequoia. They mentioned they mentioned dimension in <hes> gary also <hes> the oh santa cruz a josh <unk> ranting say what does the japanese one twenty six josh wennington <hes> i think i think it was warrington. They said they set him up for warrington princeton. Yes christine i. I won't go down right now say well. I don't think that shocker stevenson role as a role that jesse magdaleno wants to go down right. Yeah i mean on the telecom. They said nobody wants to go down that that you know that road right now according to them they you they say nobody <hes> in the division wants to do that but like he's got to write like there's there's no other way to go. He's gonna go in house us and you know it is what it is. They can title shot. Probably most likely. I wanna see how active top rank is going to be trying to unify yeah. You don't kinko unified who should call oh yeah no they'll. They'll do it because the division. They got control. Oh lover it right like they got worrying and they got frampton. I know he don't got title but they got chicago. <hes> who else they got they. The novado has moved up is legal. Go really move up in sight tank that i mean probably when push comes to shove right. You'd think heyman going let leo fight fight chicago and you're right. You're right about that. You're right so they're built might become vacant and might be they might your car show knows yeah. I mean you know so many things can happen from the twenty six is becoming. You know i didn't really i. I really don't know about it. I i started but it's slowly becoming a division that i'm chicken cores in there. I wanna see earl russell correct. That's the saddest part we talk about the division. We mentioned everybody but him bras like dude. Why don't just retired if if you don't wanna fight bra you don't wanna fight isn't that he don't wanna fight over as you just not been as active. He said he's gonna be. He wants to be more active now. He just want to sit down and get in a fight off his name but he got a fight. He got five so people be like yeah. We want to see him. Versus bradenton like that ain't how it goes. We don't just wanna see you because you. We know who you are. You gotta do something. I totally agree like i if out of sight out of mind if you ain't on you know you a champion. I sometimes bring a name of sometimes leo is take us is a gathering right now for the for w._b._o. Ashqar stevenson but the guy who scott quit like we're talking about these guys more than we even mentioned gary gary russell and it's sad because gary damn good talent. He's one of the best in his division. Damn good boxer so sad that we don't see him sam much known san but hopefully we'll see them before the end of the year no fan hopefully. They put them back on wilder on the card or something they need to do. A senior will rigo on rigo can really twenty six yard. You know you said rigo and i thought of gamboa's abo- and you see how cold they let that gamboa lee go with tank. You know especially right now. When the whole farmer thing is he up and they don't want to go down that route they need to be throwing annette gamboa's seed out there but not so anyway on the main event emmanuel now by their their batters and stops francisco. The vaca in three rounds in another super lopsided fight. This was a dead really should not have been the main event like how about at this as a main event on e._s._p._n. This was not on e._s._p._n. At just the thing that once upon a time they had contemplated whether or not to put crawford or loma chango on the e._s._p._n. Main and and not on the app we're on the app and not on the main like they have lost their mind but let me tell you bob obviously see something that we don't see maybe he's a he reminds them of a smaller version of gilbert over mirrors because they do favourite each other but bob just gave this dude mexican independence they on the older world wildland tyson fury undercard bro. This dude is going to be on the undercard and trying to bring in the mexicans with him so i don't know bro. Bob bobbing is bien. Top rank are very very smart or they did was they piggy piggybacked. The momentum of you have because you have see was on right before that that fight came all so it was a lot of viewers to see that maybe by a lot of papers you ain't wives the jesse magdaleno and never fake so i wanna see the numbers on that fight and i wanna see were appear shift peak there because it's going to be interesting to see if their plan work out they had on now. They have <hes> you have to e._s._p._n. Then after the little <hes> e._s._p._n. Premium came on bass wish to pay per view at ten o'clock in sown as they switched over the boxing came right behind and so i want to see how many leftover people that didn't bother to pay per view but also watch the boxing. I think it was mart move kind of like what the olympic the the <hes> aerospace spike you piggyback off somebody to see if you can if you can get some of those residual numbers that that that they had <hes> you know interesting to see because uh i didn't see the main event status and i didn't see the main event performance yeah. He got the stoppage but you know he's not like the dude that is you know he's not like. I don't know it doesn't look like vowel. Does it doesn't look like you know kanalelo stopping even like i don't know he i mean they said it themselves. He's super unorthodox. He he changes from you. Know south pole to orthodox is whenever he wants. He's just not traditional and i mean there's nothing wrong with that but i again. I'm only criticizing him being a main event on e._s._p._n. He did what he was supposed to do. But i they could have made a stronger card i or strong event. I thought a the vodka came in the first round and really tried to know and doing things for the first minute millionaire but when you start looking at that we can deal within. Maybe it was about a man never read. Today is big as hail for one twenty two. He is as a dude he he is for one twenty two. It's going to be a problem for anybody in the beijing and it wasn't like he was even trying brian last night. I was like arm punches then he lets them height though don't get don't get souped up on him yet man. He likes eggs body. Let me tell you that you like a bull. Remember jesse magdaleno was the a side dog bay was brought into lose. Magdaleno got upset and then <hes> now about at this show. The dog bay is a nobody but they'll get a win over now. Check your how it all ties dozen this dewey just four right. He's trained by manual rollers. You know you could see the n._b._a. Reason them he wanted the punch. When when there was punched he just had no power but he had massive success doing that. That manual robust style guessing my net occur eh punch and now about might go to sleep but the whole bake here punch he'd knocked out matt lead o'brien the thing he could puns man. We just and that's what i said. We just seem dilemma. We still need to see a little more. He doesn't look like a dude this taking pressure well like you know. Psychologically is the order and he even said said it. You know people turned his back his wife out of town like kamal. Get on your byles dudas. You know what i'm saying so like he second guessed it. You know he he he. The question is it me is it. The trainer is the fight what you know. He don't know so. I definitely don't need to see them in another two three more fights before. We've got to see his dog bay back. Get somebody that's credible. I weren't twenty two dogs bays able to beat beat up a credible opponent at one twenty two then. We know a little bit more. The dog may need to tune-ups. I can't see dr dre and nothing credible right at boy. Brain is still bouncing off concern not as cool. I'd rather see now by that. Then there was somebody that didn't didn't didn't come to a conclusion about now based off. Who dog is now putting the he one twenty two. That's easy. Let me go to the rankings tub ring cancer curtis guy. I don't even like nobody got it. Okay ray vargas. Give him vargas or give them give them gen morgenthau a new way at the new way win this tournament up to one hundred to guarantee. You're going to be a bidding war for him. To this division is is is is wack not really a you way fight december. We're not gonna see navarette dig into september. They probably won't find a game for the rest of the year so which marshall <hes> coming just utah gamal late twenty two hundred eight like vodka vodka was ranked number ten and he got got this fight but is voluntary right with the voluntary or was this. This was the first guy he he felt like. This is real real title defense because he had a rematch. What what what the same guy. They already beat so like there was really really credible. Yeah i mean you know that's. That's that andy ruiz story. You know you got to beat them twice to make sure they know flute o._t. K p. Are you sure that a new stops never we number two years for the for the way class. No new way started at once one twelve so one thousand one hundred thirty one eighteen months to come home. I'm staring at this division vision and is so not good. We're gonna a quick signatura. Quick d. as in so underrated resume solid. I totally agree resumes on this g. Gee man his big wins and look i dan garcia shirt and a hat me nothing but like joe then the day like he had a big welterweight win in forever and his big one forty win was not so like come on man. We gotta stop. You know what i'm saying. Look at what he did to lamont and look how danny fort lamont you know <hes> we gotta see dan. He gotta make a believer man. That's all you know and i am. It ain't wrong with that. You know what i'm saying. I'm already believable than he did. Some shumpert couldn't do was that knockout. I i was just going to keep that same energy. You know what i'm saying and knock somebody else out. I depicting puerto pedantic came ashore but i didn't think anyone that fight but there are people squatted thing. Danny did enough to win. I don't see it but maybe he did a fight that we gotta do a film study on bra now at at the needs to try to unify and maybe consider moving up to get some smoking at one twenty six <hes> because there's nothing in here for nothing here. You need a light attorney would you if you're listening right now to go ahead and smash that dumbs of butting heads with visibility ability show if you wanna go wants to head over to the box dot com slash affiliates bosses and click on amazon amazon bookmarked links. They say they'll could do all the shopping you do on amazon our link. It costs you nothing extra but we do get a little kickback. Every time you use our amazon free shopper. Thank you that one one way boy with the super chat. I got five on it d is the man is oh. I got the win yesterday. Thanks they save bad do man. Are they gonna buy so now that he got the win right. Did he talk about. I don't know i don't think going to bug man was used up. Percy meal is not my five hundred thousand exactly. Maybe my wife boxer true. That's true so we talked about at the now we move onto topic new middle. Those grayson raced. I wanna say thank you. If this honor to come to saudi arabia donald you guys talk about the mayweather pacquiao rematch so saudi arabia flowing money mayweather in the show. You did early in a little bit of san lower. People started changing the tune about that saudi arabia. How did it change the nature seeing that in the comments like oh watch these american i mean i think i gave him more information. I did more research on saudi arabia. I i am more sure now. We do not belong there. We have been notified not to go as americans all right so you can go you you can go and when chist fan don't expect help because they ain't giving you. None was over a couple rows over there. Uh denies she ain't wanna absolutely. I brought that up next to a trout politics over there that we don't. I don't necessarily agree with in our american culture. We gotta respect on a goodwill missiles man. I'm good off that right. Did people don't don't go without. I missing than this but i do believe they. They're able to do w._w._e. Events and have the same airport there for them. I think if ever fight a a man with a pack yell land saudi arabia. I think you can fairly believe they will have the best security that they can possibly have i mean i don't think that if mayweather pacquiao lenses saudi arabia's gonna be for the likes of you and i it wasn't for you and i when i was in vegas is definitely not going to be for you and i over. There wasn't for us. I we'll assault a tension in for japan. I if mayweather mayweather muhammad ali farewell tour. He's doing what he wants to do. Get money not not where he wouldn't give a fuck about the death of you are now talking about doing a vince audio arabia arabia. He's not caring about the u._s. View so. I doubt this fight even be on paper. It might be like a youtube. Pay per view what you pay seven ninety nine or ten ninety nine picking on the site but i don't think it's going to be a showtime where or anything like that. We think about the possibility of i mean. There's a lot of mixed feelings right people saying this is oh people saying dan. This is true. You know there's an article from march that cooperates this in a believe. It was the l. a. Tom uh-huh that says that <hes> let me see if i can find him pack. Yow i believe steve definitely pack has zodda. I'll find and then i'll bring it up to you man because i don't want to know how that goes yeah man. I'm like i said again. I'm with eddie. You don't get the money for a fighter and hopefully the security will dan place for any real fight. If it happens and i'm the same thing would make well if he's able to go there and broker a deal for herself a boxing many pecu- heck yeah totally behind me saying whatever it was good for the sport a more is on the sports gonna bring more digital sport is good for us. Not gonna make shows better for us. It's going to have more audience for us. It's going to be better lots jeff us so if some do happen for the fight check even better than we might be seeing on auto north or you know i hear you. I mean listen like i said on that earliest. Show you know i have no issues reporting from it right here. From from home no issues whatsoever you know <hes> y- let that continue to be a location for the rich <hes> he you can have that fight there. We'll get it on a satellite feed and we will discuss it no doubt but <hes> i quote i heard may whether it's talking about a promotion in the middle east area saudi arabia or dubai setback allen an appearance on the fox sports show undisputed host skip bayless ellis and shannon sharpe and jenny tie the other day <hes> people ask me if i'm willing to fight floyd anytime. I'm still in the sport. I'm active. I have no problem with that so i guess this is a rumor. That's been happening for some time. I'm now you wanna believe that because of the andy reason joshua situation that it shook the trees zinsou money fell out for money man money may or do you believe this fake news. I guess we'll see later. This week saw a picture of something in saudi arabia and doing sightseeing should they do so. We'll find out tomorrow tuesday news but i didn't never see a thing made any he said if it c._g._i. Was ah incredible c._g._i. But he said i'm going to talk about mayweather pacquiao to why would he say that two months ago when when did have any steam about oughta pack yoga's anybody and right now you would think that he's back from the dead but he's back in a big way beating to keep terminent backyard had a video a yo borrow new dogging because then doubt a dog named keith armand on now. I think it's time to turn uh-huh fucked up so i just think may whether it's trying to get momentum man you know what i'm saying. He came out with a post yeah but why why is it so hard to find this original video desk me run. 'em fan motherfucking three hour discussion about facebook. Look in it's all over instagram from but where is it at on his like wising not on his page as what i'm saying like who who recorded it was it wasn't was it his handlers. Is this leaked. Is this got leaked. Is this or is this mayweather stealing the show man so you're talking about saudi arabia without me. I thought that wasn't gonna see me. I'm known cyrus. What i oh you know. Watch when i give because we know man people are gonna go to the fiber. People can say what they want to say. Now are these reporters and shit but santa two dollars and they were the five pack a saudi arabia moment. I don't know whether support trump so trump straight over there. No not you exotic bra. Listen first of all americans saudi arabia having lions but it's a weird and not alliance you know and it's not one that you want to risk your life form. They come in over over there to save. Nobody said that if something happened to american why they over in saudi arabia they done agency you high profile celebrities come on bra. You know bush it bra you done. There's a there's a there's a white family on c._n._n. Right now saying that they're white daughter is trapped in saudi arabia right now for divorce in the man and trying to take her daughter the judges. I just saudi arabia to says she cannot have custody of her daughter because she was teaching too much english bro. You crazy man laws over there or in saying just custody. They not like our lows man excellent. Today believe that men are superior than a woman's woman's word is half the worth of it and listen all at all at all at smokescreen about not not letting women drive of course they still execute in women who are protesting about yeah the license bra this crazy over it on i don't i'm not trying to defend your customers coach. Thirty seven executions is in april. That's their culture now. I'm good. That's what i'm saying. I'm good. I'm good on chill may do that's cool. You know he'll probably be good. It is like you said a high level celebrity data mean one of his bag man. Come up missing it right. I know get over there but breath. I think i was watching news last week. Six cops guys scheider certainly going crazy house barricading up so i mean like i understand the missiles ownership. I'm just saying like crazy should happen everywhere man. I'm not long. Sit here and say everybody in saudi. Arabia is bad but i think there are good people everywhere but crazy people are are are are everywhere to what has a higher risk of terrorist attack hold on well. Let me finish my sentence a high level where the may pack l. fight in saudi arabia or high level mayweather pacquiao fight in las vegas no no because i hate to go here. I go you want history. Shows is that nothing happened. That may well the pack yeah nothing. Will the pack patio mommy mommy. I don't want to be question. I in specific. I wanna go to a bar down vegas. You want you you got glendale. You wanna push the whole. Push the bar because we're talking about boxing. We're talking about big <music> at a country concert and those vegas deaths and you want to cross it over. No i'm glossing over or or is that the actions that you took when i told you june twelve the airport was missile down over twenty. People were also awesome. I don't gloss it off at all. I want to check the comments on that. Show come on his show. Mike i say violence habit happens everywhere. Those are my comments and we can move. Oh it's all good opinion. <hes> good ninety king illegal illegal fire from reducing promoter role in terminated manage. I reading <hes> the story about him and her brothers like he. He gave him like a smaller rolling rolling. Tom lobster doesn't have the biggest. Tom loafer reduced row and he fired the herman brothers and fired <hes> the the trainer able sensors and they said they went to mediation and couldn't get a deal done so they're pursuing <hes> more more legal remedy remers brown ramifications ninety. It's kinda crazy semi. I wonder what what what what he thought they could just firearms aram's and it'd be jobs got a contract say again what what what made anything like the story from their perspective true. What may do not anything he can fire him. If he ever had a contract with the herman brothers i don't know but this is what i'll tell you like. I told you before is easier to get rid of a <hes>. It's easier to to get rid of a manager than it is a promoter borough just a simple man so i don't know he fired him. They now they gotta prove. I mean i read the whole story. They they're trying to say they built them to this. They got him cannella fights which i guess they did if they were therefore therefore those fights but <hes> you know if their contract was up they got he got new lawyers. They're blaming it on the wife to they want sewer <hes> sue the wife and the accountant they think that the accountant and the wife are behind the scenes means pulling the strings so they wanna hit them with a lawsuit as well. They actually said they helped them. Broker the design deal. Yes i did say that so. They said they want they profits but i don't know man. I definitely got a pass boy. You better check my instagram champ. Somebody toasty. You dumb fucks in a chat i want to i want to <hes> tom welfare to get an interview and see what is rolling. I know they say he's a smaller positions. I wanna see how much influence that he has. The is still actively promoted because we say last by where the what's lobster a t. t._v. How isn't a k two promotions k. two so we do we do. We a definitely triple g. That's what i'm saying his role guy do so nice working as an advisory role for triple john jibril g promotions that stories and not a lot of elements and you're like what was going on with a hoe with them mcgregor their partnership which jean what maitre g decide to do all. This is like everybody the way we seem. I mean we gotta go to the names the list of names that have done this before floyd bob oscar left. Mikey left bob. People leave like triple triple m no more. Would i need you for. I'm here now. I'm here now. I got a wife now too. I was singled and i got a wife male. She learned a little bit of science. She could do and this other guy could do. I don't need jump all yachties checks. I'm the one getting beat the brakes off of ah brother max out to i can totally see that he's just outgrown promotion for my people and i think another may be getting into the point to where he just outgrow goteborg. Come up with our emotions or against third party. I don't want to deal with all that hustle and bustle like at the end of the day. You still got to be a promoter. You still gotta match me. You still got to promote in in like. Do you really have the time for that. I mean we see floor. Leonard <unk> be pretty much do during the the real works on the in the front man saying somebody like semi like eddie somebody like blue man but look oscar had the same thing going on almost almost lost his company. He had to wake up. You can't always be affront. <hes> you know you can't always be face. You gotta be watching out for your company because you never know. Oh you know look at what happened oscar. How many fighters did he lose for for appointing people in certain positions almost ended up not having anything fan true true in any disgruntle guy right now so we might bring it up around. Garcia is a night feeling like he's getting paid what he's working on not not leaving his expect ryan garcia to come out and say he saw canola. I bet you i could smell it already and i'm telling you ever since he got with renault so nothing ain't good no more and he ace n._f._l. Areso man he as saying for no reason he's seeing camello. He's seeing the treatment he seeing how big is and you leave it to him. He thinks he's got it all made because he got a coupla followers on instagram. I mean look. I don't know i don't know what three million follow was gets you these days in terms of revenue but he he seems to think that his three million or were at least ten million <hes> no worth ten million viewers at least he's still got three million. There's no way at least ten million people watching me and i'm like okay. They say he <hes> made i if the numbers accurate but last night so he say wants the numbers he like oh. I want my numbers walk in. I see my oh heart areas or if i'm gonna give it to. How much did the job may and he's he saying he like. I got three million followers lose. My followers are going to watch me fight regardless of on the main event on the co main event but i leave my money like how many people are watching watching like. I got three million followers at least ten million people watching me. That's his that's his assessment. Let's get into some <hes> <music>. Let's let's give them some. You know some some more money move on frank frank. No one comes out and says he thinks that really versus. Josh was a cash out a promotion pretty much and so. I was thinking about that. I i guess when we've seen the eighty five million dollars. I ain't a report. I was like damn trying to catch my guy. <hes> my joshua out right now like i don't. I didn't get but best money for your opponent. Free fighter win win scenario those big siphon yeah. I mean yo listen. Frank is not the first guy to come out how everybody feels the same way about this. You know saudi arabia's left field. It's it's it's left fields. Nothing you can say except that. It's left field. Everybody gotta sit back and wait to see if the the event is going to take off and you know we're either going to congratulate or we're going to hate on eddie hearn bro right now. Frank is right. You know he feels a._j. Is going to lose again. You know he feels heels. Ruis has more than enough reason not to go over there and win in court. Bob feels the same thing. Bob called eddie stupid. He said he's dumb for not having the signature signed. You know <hes> so you know look again. I'm not i'm not going to get hung up on signatures because i know how it works in boxing man <hes> but what i did see is andy ruis on e._s._p._n. Deportees this. I was going to do another show about that. The whole is definitely vodka testing and money vodka testing and money out of his words he ain't going to saudi arabia until vodka is there was an all day fight well coordinate ruiz on monday vodka tests and monday a different more money but i thought the ballots were standard. You can't josh west as a shocker right there. Wow that's the real like a real deal hold up. He was specific on his book hintze anti doping and hoping i he likes her. I want the anti doping agency the vita dudes because these dues he was talking to knew nothing about boxing. Let me tell you nothing. They must have just been some very popular mexicans. You know once once titles was impetus audio which is a businessman so like our no that was very vague <hes> but they didn't know about boxing so when he started saying today nobody was talking them up but it was a good interview you now <hes> to do to andy's watch off. Put it in his pocket and shit. That's spanish it to do. I tell you boy took his watch out like man you ball it. They're looking at what is let me see. Let me see that we'll put it was good though man it was good <hes> but yeah man look edie edie nudist though eddie is is like eddie knows what he's doing. He said that he was going to get criticized and he said everybody wanted to now. Look now mayweather talking about oh saudi arabia bahira come. You know what i mean. Eddie said everybody wanted to do if big fight in saudi arabia everybody wanted doing in dubai everybody wanted to do and i'm the first one to do it. So i gotta get all the shit then someone else is gonna convince move sellin so maybe there's mayweather you know so edie edie already accounted for this backlash from frank and from bob and any other competitors at the end of the day. These guys are his competitors but nonetheless i love the frank is keeping his foot on his neck keeping his foot on his neck so he can't just lie in iowa fell video every day and have these mindless sheep. Just repeat everything that he says you know. He says one thing thing they believe at all and it's like no no no no no. He are these other promoters that have been around for years. I think they mentioned on telecoms yesterday on e._s._p._n. Barbaro has been around since sixty nine. Is that what they said or was it sixteen sixty nine. I'm pretty sure thank non-drug bobby. Layman most years bob is like eighty something you said fifty just being for almost fifty years. Oh i know i know even promoted fucking evil knievel burma man my man did it all and bob's a lawyer man you know so he's all goodie in the goodies news talk about the topic knows right quick <hes> jamaal charles. Oh source came out said he could be pricing themselves out of the kanalelo. Hello fight now. The sources <hes> kendrick johnson. He's a basketball writer but he also doesn't work with a fight up. I think we actually met him down in dallas right. Why is it a some is always present himself at cannella fi. I'm no right the same we were having a discussion about like as co and and in <hes> <hes> kovalyov and in these guys drew or something else going man no cooman you trust in his game i look we just talked about franken and i come on you. Know franken eddie don't like each other so he's bound to say that and it's true you know he could just come out and say some shit out of spite but he ain't going to say a lot. Despite you know oh man we gotta talk about your boy. Type of theory says if your can be cove his career is over and that was a strong words come from <hes> from very looking for shock value because he can't not nobody out so he got to be extra with his mouth southborough. He's corny man. Fuck michelle week me. Neither i'm done watching. I didn't watch that none of the e._s._p._n. None of that shit people people sending me links. I'm not watching none of that. Shit no more. I did watch e._s._p._n. I fucked that you also said kid at you on e._s._p._n. I say when you're going to cloud chase you buy the tell me how you gonna knock out. Wow then how he's a bum in dasa watch but you know that's what i'm trying to tell you the dude his own repeat. He's a fucking tape with a they got a tape deck in his back back and it just press play. Oh he's a he's a dos. I'm going to knock him out but i'm fighting walling you. Mike tyson mike tyson fucking can danny by the punch tyson face to get his name out. I'm like who you fighting. Though now i'm gonna fight this guy then. I'm gonna fight. While who the fuck is this gado. Give us the name of this guy. You only want to say in the name of toxic as you know. Greatness would laugh at you especially high. He was up for for two thousand a year. We knew how to do that. Show emma fugger. I'm hop- i actually watched that <hes> the boxing gym joan where you said it right you see how much he said the episode aired on nicholas he you know he lied alive and i thought jim jones phase like seventy seven the million mike knew he li- i to make one of them videos at that moment might new fucked see his his face when he like seventy yeah yes seven you knew right there. He lied. It was like he was trying to the ball or something like that. <hes> <music> hi mike just stopping disown fucking mike up over there michael wood and lived in beth live because the dow on yeah i hold this. This part wasn't a lot in this part right. He's making five hundred hey off that branch of money and he got a fucking he gotta resort. I want to go to resort nece lucky leaving resort. Leave it to him. He smoked smoking foti k._m. Mutt somebody i wanna do creep in on that because there was someone in the comments the broke that should down right. There was like i forty k. a month that they said one ton is two thousand pounds for a month. That's ten thousand ten ten in tons for yada so much mad. I was so suited what's comments and smoking shit laughing hyphen like what do people were going crazy. They had so many opinions on mike saying he smoked forty thousand wherever but it's it's it's worth a common creep in show for sure for sure <hes>. I was just happy fantasy. Mike happy no saying he had a rough life. Jim jones face everytime mike told law his facial expressions will golden bra and blunts asam fat were seventy bucks three. Mike like man come on. I know somebody clip this man. We need them. My allergy sponsored big moment tyson ranch need to <music>. Send them send them pre rose through man. We wanted to move to kelly just became furry. Office says that he offered pevec import simple pula bryant the fight but they all declined archer better be versus other y'all so you could tell he lion bre. Let me tell you why trevor brian. You never seen him fight. That's how you know. He lied. Big baby miller got a license. That's how you know he align really gonna turn down a chance to fight the real fury to fight the fake theory. Come on breath now yeah. I can't say because he's got his mandatory steady and i don't believe none of that shit bro arthur better be fighting a guy uh-huh unification october ten freidel eighteen eighteen official officials crazy now look. I was going to say that man there. You go right there. That's a prime example that kovolev duct the donna stevenson a donnas never in his life has unified never not never in his mother fucking life never when he attempted he got out of the purse bid after losing and start talking that contract shit better be got like eight five by the by the both of these dues. None of these dudes got more than thirteen fights. Gotcha got you got thirteen fifteen sixty but are you saying that donald duck kovalyov of cobra abduct duck a jonah's may their mother fucker never unified he never even attempted to unify people give other people so much garbage for not unifying better be by going through his first unification with fourteen fights fourteen fights box right john. God this e._s._p._n. Announced this shit come on man fucking wildly probably just slipping ho hey the norwich's will fight al toyo gone on september seven tokyo so llaneras back in tokyo the big like is he like <hes> no big following over there man. They got they kampam. Japan with again paid out. Hey he going to fight this so he could get a fake win and come back and get another loss here. Versus a real name seventeen we know and the other one's fourteen and now i see things butts stops nunez an eight in is you bank junior showdown now. Look i was like who the fuck is. Guy asks his name all week. He's the i a. b. o. International super middleweight champion so he has the number one guy in their ranking. I believe for chris eubank junior so did did this could be a possible fight for bill champion chris eubank junior versus this guy do mandatory. I know i know but they. They said they don't do them. Let's call call for so we've been hearing. This guy's name a lot this week so maybe he got a big following over. We work where he's at. How many mcgeough says umbro we need to go to a d. as party whole you see this stand remotely wow you here. I'll be sitting beating my fucking rask so much we look at this thing. I just put in a chat got the constraining so below attack to wasting we do about the whole room. They waste initiative. You get that you get that contact all everything hey brea blood. How i i did we can do it. Oh my god that shit crazy. Oh my god that's kinda. Shit that that that smoke they can tunis extra legal advice. Get out the negative man for know how to throw a party breath hail yeah. I'm so glad ah marijuana aceptable mainstream but i know back in the early two thousands heart this heart man was down two thousand seven before you when you smoke weed and shit fifteen years brad away disliked lighten all his weed up like this is crazy but moving on to win last night guardmen greg greg car garages prada valley where it man curry <hes> how many mongia says he's in no rush but wants to any said earlier this week did this last night. I want fifty four jose. Jose was kentucky versus. Dennis duggan tops the nine twenty one a._b._c. I watch tripleheader so we look at next month on twenty first. Eh kentucky dinners duggan. Oh yeah yeah see nasty. Nat dublin probably going to get that win too. I knows today gi. He punched her but douglas and been on a little. I mean let's see how many he probably had no fights in a while 'cause he left mayweather man. He fought a if our anthony the real and they fault somebody on facebook live after that maybe <hes> maybe run by somebody on facebook yea since two thousand eighteen bra so that he got the whole year of men and that's been his career man. That's that's been his career but unfortunately brown. The mama's boy man boy <unk> fucked up some guys. Just don't get y'all. Ah we hear andy say. I should imagine that right room. No shit kobe deal in place with me if east yard so hopefully that doesn't happen yard is weak. <hes> tyrone uh-huh bond face charges over cougar escaping florida you had had a cobra as a pet. Animal wasn't licensed in in escape so the wrong with this dude man. That's fucked up man. I wanted to hear some news about tyrone. You know for boxing bro like i know he's a kickboxer any any turn heavyweight and he's been training for a long time now at least two years maybe more three with pedro de as and we still get to see him on t._v. He got some sorta w._b._z. In a continental latin champ some type of shit like that look. This is what we hear about him. You know what i mean. Do god fucking illegal cougars and shit like i mean the rich don't know what to do with the money and i don't even know if he rich. I don't know if he made it off kickboxing and whatnot but like i ain't got no fucking tiger tiger. He gets to go by cougar a cougar. Yes what do is eat man me. No that's a lot of pounds of meat and stayed there for me either magazine. He go to bite you <music>. Give me a coup as theresa. They're going to be a cobra. James kirkland win a tops to eight twenty four car <hes> and austin after i four year absence oh james kirkland beckoning i got an email he signed a somebody else so miles invest invest money in james man checking cars like would you can rick james at this point a second thing i said about a about uh kostecki you nah nah because at least the heavyweight division is in action on who will fight james right now my one saturday. How is that money like. How are they going to make dough all of this like. He ain't four cents nello who took him apart me. I can mellow can nedal. Joe connecticut did a number on that do them. Three rounds probably took look look it took took four years of his life that that phone <hes> osa heavyweight debut fourteen twelve in chicago. I don't know who's who is going to be here but caused tacking opponent but he signed with new management so we don't know was opponent going to be but thanks for ten twelve and chicago. Look it is our avenues. Ian versus franklin my'son z. La is a w._b. A eliminated from anti that division sucks now move up here as it man. Who's on the line go. I wanted to call you have to talk about that. In chatman rule during bets marches tis strapped upset me brandon maurice joe kara on san m._b. Sensation <unk> chatman don't forget go ahead samatha thumbs up but got four hundred thirty two watching for y'all need four hundred thirty four times to remember to write us five stars on itunes. These calls are brought to you by el camino electrical services experts and electric vehicle charging stations for consultations and turnkey installation visit us at el camino electrical services dot dot com yesterday say maybe not sick though he's back. I didn't and get to watch <hes> fighting mexico the way you guys talking about. It sounds pretty good but let's talk about floyd mayweather man. I feel like this is about to take over bro. Who knows what kind of bag he's doing. Who knows what the betting has because that's how much i floyd number one many pack your number two on box so this might be this split. Shit man like plus thousand or so who knows i can't wait for this fighting. This might not out. They like arabia. Might just fuck will only floyd because they know there's bigger money so they might just black recu. Ooh with anthony joshua come here. You can go somewhere else. We're trying to build this stadium for floyd at. I'll be some shit in <hes> so that they can bring nash it back over here to america and i think he josh who can redeem himself in st last time. I'd say he was in the streets. He's couldn't with some good news. He's going to be in arabia fighting and louise dumping a sense so yeah man and a role he made that party and i was wondering holiday smoking weed right after the same as legal to smugly and the u._f._c. but he was smoking weed before the fight was smoking c._b._d. Man since 'cause that's my little phone. Call best still saudi arabia the card how ono if a c._d. Or not right because obviously they're not testing you know more for my they are you can only have a certain percentage of t._h._c. in your body like <hes> they do it. The other day you detested in under a certain limit which is like a limit to where you can stop smoking anyway. I say could stop smoking like the wednesday before the fight and be straight lesson saying the wednesday before the fight bugs it. I miss the rights to be years. We probably my bad zanga t._a._c. right. Yeah yeah let me get out to <hes> troy was what else oh you know what y'all still. I guess now that floor flu came out and said saudi arabia cool. Everybody's gonna drop this stance on there. Being such a global plays better that i've been having knox accent. It's not about the country. It's about andy. Reid is now look who's in china contracts. I'm i'm just using that word. Just like you use the word dislike. Let's say some of the call they call them and everybody but anyway he's he's just holding out for more money. That's all it is nothing. It's nobody gives a damn bridge at least not the folks that are speaking on because nothing they could do about the kid that marks they will step up right over here in all country do something with this things going on over here so just keep it boxing and stop acting like politicians man knowing because alliance okay. That's just say they do to make the last time you've been in jamaica back. Why oh oh man. I'm just saying mega. Show you stamping at pass utah now. I'm not telling them to do anything. I'm just simply. Police say that if we just keep box into keeping boxing nobody knows really was going on over there. That's google. We don't live over there. I mean this country has its own problems man. It was just a mass shooting with a few weeks ago right in this country right. Take care of your own house before you worry about somebody else. 'cause i'm just i'm just being as real as real as i can be as you could. You could try double talk at all you like but that's that's the truth about it the same the same people the same people that are saying that they don't they hate the country 'cause this at they. They say wants to live here. They say wednesday live in. They see what's going on here. How many of them are doing anything what was going on. He exactly exactly you you you in that bubble with mike man and once once you put the several bubble i don't i don't even talk. Let me tell tell you this right. I know this cat that went to kim republic. They will kill him killing americans over there almost every other day or every other week he can't and he came you back over to this country and to give and he was cool. We might well shit. I'm cool. You know i have one overdue vacation that was you won't vacation man. So you know you wanna talk about violent countries. During your time we'll vacation they able to kill an american tourist right over you. Gotta you gotta try to make better u._c._l._a. Time mason like a fool right now you in any of them of the two tries to compare mega to saudi arabia fools man. I'm home so you make us. Look bad just saying dump. She's saying you gotta make us look bad brad. When people do crazy shit in america i mean mix mirka look. There is not a reflection of the whole country no today but it also cannot be compared. I don't understand why we can't capacity compare mass killings. One one is not the other is nice killings now so you're saying one life doesn't mean as much as as another light no. That's not what i'm saying. I'm saying that is definitely not the same was happening over there and what's happening over here. There's no human rights over there. Now is definitely the same. I it can be compared. That's all say. I wish you guys kind of like dismiss that on so i'm i thought was focus on on balance though we can't complain about somebody else. Culture is like our culture. Our culture is not the same people have different beliefs different value so it is what it is yeah. I mean that's the easy way to say you know people have different beliefs but when those beliefs ain't right we can't just brush it under the rug and say the people have different beliefs. You know they're killing people. They're still executing people in public. So you know whatever brand the cincinnati talk to me what happened there must be much <hes> there earlier dams because <unk> too much about to go on this weekend washed their sheep but earlier in the show mike you said in order to get danny garcia clamp eight to ten billion. I said seventy dollars ness you agree with that. I don't i don't know man. We need a debt. We need to danny purse man. We need to danny purse because he no guys won't moored fucking nella retirement money and crazy. We won't turn copper. No renita started take any garcia and think about it. You gotta think about it. They already we offer them for that. He rejected but they gave full to ramirez. Come on you gotta start disrespecting the story for into ramirez adding them gay for two ramirez he got it. He got it and he ain't on level with dan. He just his legacy so so you know you gotta stop disrespecting inventory of yeah wanna use it. If you guys in physics of the world i take anything over five millions you know through danny garcia and that's your problem right. Did you don't know how to assess the spoil couple shows ago. You called into my five million for david. Chen co was good so again is danny and chang on the same fucking level when you're on in dumb ass boxing soon world because last night check danny did a whole bunch more than fucking dervish janko for you to say that he should take the same should changle get the time these do these logs offer are not on the same level another brings in way way more money than we know that man you gotta start. Excuse you got a bad argument. You gotta stop using pardons matt. How is the argument. Last nello is on a different level the face a boxing generates more money than call for does. We've seen there's elvis behind it. I grew last. I checked brandon. Luis ortiz turned down seven million anthony joshua instead fight wilder according to sew clothing. Money's not you know what i'm saying. That's all i'm saying like why the said the money's in the bag so i don't know what you're talking. Talk about man yeah either going to get the money to fight the fight as y'all wanna fight or you're not gonna fight. The fucking van heerden's the world by the way all the money's in the bad that chan money's in the bag and luis ortiz turned down seven million millie. He turned it down because he ain't gonna get it because i know they turned down twenty from because he wasn't going to get it versus dominic on showtime. I know people any any stupid. You got this silly ass negativity. My some five million is preposterous is to raise. He turned down for but fathers too much man this dude i am so done. I like you bring up luis ortiz. He's nine. You know what i'm saying that has turned down but according to the manager who we had on the show ended entity where he wanted to fight lewis wanted to fight but his management team on the dow look down and the management. Why do you think he turned it down. Make prove my point some because he wanted more money exam. They were going to get that five million more money from kathy. Manager wanted more money. Now luis ortiz teeth down that you you didn't say nothing about the management so you can try to clear it up with our listeners. I'm not trying to clear up. I agree with you one hundred percent i by now. Where is the managing more money from the promoter. What promoter earn no if he turn that seven million down. Where's he getting more money from bloomberg down it. Wasn't there eddie say he priced himself out so don't make choson to the listeners like he said oh. You give me seven. I want not oh i wanna do you ain't gonna oh shit. No give me the seven thirty nine now. You should've took them to seven no. He ain't say that he he said. I want your seven so where's he getting that type of money from we we have to see when he cites wilder. How much money brings in a eh. You know it's funny. How you change your stands. I wanna i don't wanna go back and forth because wilder you automatically. Can we assume that he turned down to zone deal but that s spinoza showtime matched the more your words they came damn close to it wasn't as has the nose on rich. You've got to wasn't espinosa ricker sam. We gave wider what he wanted so i can't take a worse word no more. He's a liar. Kansas city met talk to me man. I'll try again when he wants to have a conversation ignored at kansas city matt what up man a few new moon and peggy on a few weeks ago i would not have been pack you out when they'll get no fight with mayweather lives like you own meghalaya lie adamy so i'll be tuning in equal that happens is crazy but <hes> it's probably going to take like a quarter billion man. There's guaranteed for me what it is at middle eastern different. Y'all can't say about may whether or not taking old fight outside las vegas you i mean this is a greatness managed to enjoy if he does do it. Just like muhammad ali michael jordan autographed yacht hated him and that's where he's and then later on. I appreciate life on why i'll be calling back but <hes> yeah may be cheese which i don't say yeah. Peter out will call in new money talk to me. New money got it on mute for money businessman this man what a what a good bro listen alcon undoubtedly to me freud's probably one of the best ever lakes that propelled gloves already be real ma'am even in that too for years lack. I'm talking about championship level opponents pack in an international championship frats for for the post however along that is former t._c. He just beat farming and a fly to thinks he can just come back into box him off the for big surprisingly latin yeah but he's been training with devon haney. We seen foot haney posting pictures of that then. We just see new video of him jogging again. I mean he's obviously taking a serious and you know his level of sparring is not the level you you know i mean think about florida. Get better sparring than sephora or pantera. Whoever however tyson fury fought before he fought wilders all. I'm trying to say like you ain't gotta have a vodka in the ring to get the rust off. You could do that inspiring. I think i think when you floyd mayweather you could do that. I could be wrong. I don't know i could nestle nestl fair-play <unk>. Listen sparring as far you know sparring buying when you've got an umbrella is different when you take them them <hes> boy in the bright lights. May i noticed i noticed but trust me. You can get overnight. You'll find connor mcgregor. Your family's able to find another old do and you're gonna fight. A dude is going to be drug tested out the gills. He won't be just instead of drug tested out the gills remember that he worried about day worried about pack pack forty two. Oh two flowing. Oh oh who took the positive face who got the body more listen listen listen nest nest your again pac out a smartphone. I think he smoked thurman terminate fluid and you know what i want to say but i can't say you know what i want to say. Eh her dying bum bum yo thurman yo man he'll be back. He'll be he'll be back. Don't be hating on terminator. He'll be back yaoman yeah. Oh man why they do thurman like that be paulie. Whatever whatever whatever might man eh you did man nobody's saying he was a next floyd for you man you. You put that pressure on him bro he go by that. Jews opposed to be unsound who thought pat cowgirls. Nobody else we'll say that except for you but let me let me go ahead and get this point off because i'm not work speaking to keep the arment. I don't agree with troy but troy just pack joe aspro sleep out of that and we're look joy. He just hit you with their body. Shot pacquiao hit me with around seven and you skated off to the next car. Although when he was in a dominican republic a bunch of americans erica's getting killed bro and he was on the news and people were saying kill. Oh they found dead okay exactly look hold oh dawn and it wasn't a bunch of americans devoid. That's why i didn't give them no. No i didn't even give them airtime. Listen it wasn't a bunch of americans and it wasn't in that week. It was twelve americans in like a eighteen months span and just because it was i got the highlight is that right. I got that or the week before it was found and then like another foul couples to write right but this is all. I wanna all in the details. I'm just saying it was a social narrative that this wasn't a safe place to go meanwhile you were there and you was fine so sometimes yeah yeah. I do believe it's fucked up over cloudy arabia to is different places saudi arabia. This is why some people say go to america america biggest yeah. No no no. I'm not i'm just saying about the social near. I'm comparing social narratives because i never been there so i can't caparo apparel. I'm saying about social narratives. It is associative on friday and it was when i know they highly comparable but i get the point. It's roy hits your last without bodyshop. Throw you out of that but troy change a smoke detector maritime. You call this shit man as smashed. I like i'm at work. I'm out of here rose n._p._r. His his his <hes> mm smoke detector was bringing them off <hes>. Let me see let me see. We've got a switch affirma- after murari some mo- while having to h money then goes lately age money had to take a vacation there <hes> man now. Let me see kansas city maggie. You want that boomerang weezer deserve man so so so they were gonna come out. I mean the legitimacy since this is complex so you don't break this one do uh-huh. L. needed sooner body tension. He walked tension. Local already stopped with their their little boy like nineteen man. Excuse come on man. He gonna walk them down. So duty man she see the double standards man like okay. You say cpac yo. You ain't gotta go fighting ship g. but mayweather gotta go up another two way classes to to to solidify. They say he didn't go too heavy way like he. They want him to be in rearmed song shit but i mean we're gonna come right again after he goes just keep coming so forty five eagle plates forty five bribe went straight. The rate is is money. Oh okay so so never fighting obi wan succeed. It's not just free fight whoever the b c do because the only man in kansas city matt you down mayweather fight beating man. I'm not understand like you said gehe. Gi hop foxy was fifty seven fifty now man they were going to do this now. I ain't gonna pick and choose was right. It was good seeing no young boy. He gonna fight package while packet well pack. You can't keep you fighting era. Man leaders may whether lone man crazy back why can't get you on the erg but he can't get no get back so did it may whether they guaranteed the only gonna give saudi arabia to talk to the the prince is about the remains. You know what i'm saying yeah yeah. I understand that but i i was hearing that after the fight they fought the first i i'm begging. He promised a rematch by otherwise promising. Nobody none not seeing exactly not having much lately. He can make me keep doing what you're doing. Man chris dancer as we call him. We got a new call in the seven one seven one eight six six six this pasta asking call before but from a different number man oscar where you calling in from from new york my man yeah man so i honestly think that mayweather he's andy involved with the p._v._c. Yes okay so wouldn't it make sense for me whether to drive to just drop this announcement when there's like trials and tribulations between the joshua fight and the andrew we fight. I'm the kind of like maybe i see a little bit. So what exactly 'cause it may wanna say. I'm manny pacquiao now and that's going to be the big fight. Then ruis and joshua like all right. You know what we should i initiate because if not they gonna take money away all that money that they're i like playing shit. I doubt they will take it away but is gonna do do. I honestly don't think shit bro gonna fight made. It may pack your man. He's talking shit. All he's doing this cloud chasing he's trying to he's trying to hype michael saudi arabia right now cause. Everyone's scared to go to saudi arabia. Nobody wants to dealership. If you see mayweather is going to go over the many other oh so may monday wasn't going over there all right but you know what i have to go to go now how you guys think this is all him trying fucking kogaz brown who is trying to fuck which i'm making your aim may win is not offending many so a couple of years ago and went to egypt and let let me tell you something egypt saudi arabia. I was doing some research very very similar. Culture is very similar cultures. I never felt safer in my life that i went to egypt. I'm talking about. I have my iphone now taking pictures i have my boy had his camera. Expensive is camera walking around kicking motherfucking scared that you should over there bro. They'll l. tariff. I could do anything because they will fucking top your hands off in the middle of the fucking market and i think the shit y'all everybody's scares everything it says fuck. You could be outside two or three or four talk in the morning if you in egypt. I don't know about saudi arabia but in egypt. If you have a passport from a different country you drink. They let you go buy alcohol. You can take back hotel triggering but they can't drink over there. Those people can't drink this infrastructure if not it's not dangerous at all. It's dangerous granted there. Should that happen but shit happens doesn't work so i mean i never been but you're saying egypt and saudi on the same level <hes> i would say they're interrupting because there was a huge hit in egypt the law when my long like the two thousand duggan thousand fifteen and two thousand twelve two am. I was terrified as well. Thanks for calling in appreciate it. We got you down so with definitely. Get you for the next one. We're gonna have to check box and talk to me with mike argh with hey you remember. We had a little argument about when i said that <hes> a._j. Was not mentally there and he has an insecurity you like no no no and subsequently it came out and he admitted being he was feeling. I knew that and that's why i picked where we are k._o. It's the same reason why <music>. I'm picking <hes> yet to be pulling. All all of this did he learned how to be because i i took a lot of calls did in college and i do a lot of cycle now because i'm in business so it's my mind for understand how people minds are where they are. You can have all the talent of the world but if you go in there has stephan look at mike tyson book w we knew who was the most talented michael's not poking. He had a lot of japanese properties. It doesn't everything the night before might wasn't there so from that i started understanding more about the psychoanalysis of fighters and their mindset going into these folks. This reason why cola will lose because he's not there. He's already mentally packed that well of no return of being a great fighter and this is why young ryan yati will win and listen again. Listen listen to check this out so check this out so the thing is about about as his thing is he. Has this need the please right and he knew he had to contend. Can we were vaulted did so he was born up against so much as mild was probably thirty percent there. He was just too much stress and i knew he was by okay. Oh you know in addition to not being able he vocal power not speed in could not be <hes> we we also told you guys that there will be no rematch is nice in two thousand nineteen this the salary mall this is visible vi- noticed that mobile this this is all of a sudden they won't get to the point that the qualified all there's not enough time to train identity guys. There is no messy. Two thousand nineteen muscle memory is a real thing nephew back. You know how it is. It okay change up with fowler. One fight trains will pray. They can't even try to buy it takes two to three mike rhythm as as not dominic brazil took the wildfire with one with a trainer from one night. You know what i mean so the agent can do to send you a happy and what happened and what happened but he jay kobe. Do you get through point net and why you can hear me. I didn't hear aw alita train a trainer in one fight but mcgurk and we've seen a totally different cope with more jaffa were movement and being a alito everest. You can't even talk back go into what he was saying about the collagen jason hey brooklyn. I'm just teasing. I'm just teasing because he been called an asha. I you know what's the odds on. We gotta take this is acidify. Don't happen man bo vitamin. K kinda oscar as bad is a whole theory say in the opposed press conference name name would he say and why plus one hundred a._j. Was a plus three hundred dollars should have known he was going to say while the cloud jason kidd from that was that was obvious. I would've made a ton of either known that that was because he can't keep that name out his mouth off man. We gotta superjet from junior allen nice anything just showing some love upside. You adam thank you. Brian won't wilder and a._j. To freeze the mountain daylight yo you ain't nobody look at least a._j. Says wouldn't do if i take a tune-up odor. While in your thousand spa part in two thousand sixteen llosa's fired at the chin we going out to knowing kelly. Would it do no that. Yuck heavy user to me yeah yeah all right <hes> this portion that that's interesting that too much about this league of fury very five. I'll be back on second fury fighting out of walla shit and it's bullshit mental shape but i i was listening to sports and according to him. He was basically saying that he thought into our. I mean like the first time right there. I wanna dad said her. Dad said eh brought to noah but you know what. I wanna hear that shit he was. I hit talking at doses. Shit talking that you bum shit and now you all every interview saying how your parents want you to fight and how you shouldn't fall come on man you this. Is you sound like a._j. Right now a hypocrite. You ain't worse worse sound like come on worse exactly that makes him worse than agent. At least we know a._j. My mental you know. I don't know i mean one minute. They'll say something and then any correct in that new line and it's like i bet but what i'm saying that is this really like just like oh boy was talking about on psychology fighter right now it really gives us another peak and say his haji incident to into what was really going on on during that i i was afraid there and all that false bravado is false. Bravado is exactly what it is and now he on air telling us straight lie on his mouth dating like that wilder. Are you stupid. I don't describe miss stupid. Yeah you can go swimming with chance to stay on your neck around white. That's what you do. That's that's that's it. That's what you're gonna do what you set up your tell me and i believe that shit so it's like he's afraid if nothing else all my whole call state in fact and he's afraid right now or you decide that rematch this is more proof that he was afraid and he just trying to figure it out as he helps the wrote a check at a dash cam catch right. No thanks for calling. You know what i took from. One of those fury ones was his. He says father he did it because father told him don't do it. You know i did it because i had to prove my father wrong my father anything. My father said i was going to get knocked out so that's why you got all these tune-ups because you still did get your has no doubt we still heard your family. I know they you know like they don't want smoke again man. I'm telling you it's crazy man because joe ota will wiling tom schwartz that should not be the path while lean destined not be deprived. That doesn't doesn't bring anything to the table. You know what i'm saying. In terms of building the fight that's not build in the fight is is just building the fight you know they need to stop. He used in his name at this point. You know every interview is when you're gonna fight wilder now. He's announcing dates dwelled announced february twenty-second. This do keep announcing dates. I'm tell are you his fifteen minutes of fame all up. All the questions are enrolled lead to wilder. It's over he on a squeeze another. One is the room trying to squeeze the dissemble tuna like i mean if this ain't a mental cash-out he you got the nerve to talk about a._j. This ain't a mental cash trying to get all these tune-ups. Don't get brainwashed into that word. These checks checks. You know what i'm saying. He collect as much of that hundred million as he can. That's what this is. The same ain't tune-ups. These are checks. Remember danny garcia got eight hundred thousand for rod soccer and that's an old contract might showtime mike. That ain't the e._s._p._n. Money how much are they breaking tyson out of that hunted for these fake fights these a fake fights. Yeah man named chris was talking not too long ago when i got announced now just like brother wasting money man waste money. I don't know man. I just i again. I can't see alexander pevec in turning down a top three heavy way like he always tried to find the top. According to mark it was yo yo and shit is like a big. I don't know maybe you gotta. Google yoga like eight figgers cas is it seven. You know what i'm saying like they wiling out there dolan that around <unk> they giving pevec ten million. He turned down ten million said nine ready. I'm going to get another ten million dollar offer to fight tyson fury are- on e._s._p._n. So i'm gonna wait. I'm awake because i knew i could get that again. I could get a._j. Could a._j. Make ten million. I could get wild to make ten million and and do it on the i'm assuming away. That's what his team said the russian investors that he got there put all that money to five land. He got a dumb team right no he don't oh shit my craig line. Brian in hawaii talk to me would a. b. Shit bryant said no talking to me. Talk to me on at no. I'm wholesomeness against formula grants would add as g._t._o. Catches on the next one which will be nine a._m. Eastern eight a._m. Central six a._m. West s. coast two p._m. U._k. Tomorrow piece goes nine hundred eleven to one on twitter and catch us at five o'clock for the patriot untitled. If you're a member if not a member of the patriot dot com slash wasn't sign up now for as little as three bucks in you can catch me and asking a little bit more and personnel on the.

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Gold Standard: Who will help Kyle make the pick at 3 + Red flags for potential 49ers QBs

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Gold Standard: Who will help Kyle make the pick at 3 + Red flags for potential 49ers QBs

"What is good. Everybody welcome to episode. Thirty six the merton hanks edition of the gold standard podcast part of the niners nation. Podcast network. i'm rob stats career. And with me as always a man who looks quite satisfied with my name selection for today's show levin black there. you've actually been on it normally. I disagree but the last like three weeks it's been there are obvious choices to be had here and you've picked them. We've got this week. Came neck no yeah. I don't think he can without some sort of chiropractor visit afterwards. I still don't know how he did that but unforgettable. I don't even know. If akash knows who merton hanks was simulated young kids. I know i was always like the thing growing up. Not in san francisco that i would watch the highlights for in the evening Did merton hanks scoring. Do i get to see the rubber neck. My favorite thing to see in niners highlight packages. I disliked it. Because he was really good player he knew he had a freakishly long neck. Any embraced it. He jumped in with both feet and run from it he he you know it made it his thing. Yeah i don't think people quite understand who are either young and grew up in the age of youtube or grew up in the bay area which is means a majority of niner fans falls under understand what it's like growing up outside of the bay area outside of california altogether back before the internet was thing especially video on the internet was a thing like you lived for the evening highlights packages or the handful of games that they might be in primetime which for the niners was actually a handful games for other teams in the nineties. It might only been you get one time seeing your favorite team so like you had this like obsession of not missing the highlight package of your team. Because if you missed it you didn't get a seat again. You'd have to wait until the late what you were a kid so you didn't get to do that so it was like just an obsession of sitting in waiting and hoping maybe we see the martin hangs thing because there was no going and looking up highlight package for me. It was nfl. Primetime with berman. Tom jackson i used to put a piece of paper. I would take a piece of paper over the bottom of the screen. So i couldn't see the score of the forty niners game because i liked it better watching the highlights not knowing who won and i would literally just wait and wait and wait and they always had the niners game late in the show because the niners. We're usually playing the late games so they needed time to put all the highlights together. That was like the highlight of my sunday was watching berman and tom jackson do the niners game. Nfl prime time. Yeah back before cellphones or laptops. I guess would be the real first thing. Because i used to sit on the couch with a laptop before a smartphone existent. You didn't know the scores of the games until tuned into highlight show necessarily so i used freaking hate that bottom thing. It was great. When you're watching a the one game so you can kinda keep track of what the other scores were. But once you're watching a highlight shows don't ruin the frequent score of the game like there was nothing worse than watching a highlight package of a game. You didn't actually know the score on and on the bottom at the same time that highlight packers line. They give you the final score like come on you. Can't you can't change the timing that don't show the score of the game. I'm watching it. Highlights up and no matter how much i tried to not look at it. I always seem to look at the worst time right when that game was on the screen. So that's why. I literally had to cover it up because i couldn't stop myself and now i feel really really old couple of things we're going to do on today's show. There was an article from matt. Barrows in the athletic about the forty niners and about john beck who you might not even know used to play quarterback in the nfl. He is becoming a very significant factor. In who the forty niners are going to pick at number three. So we're gonna talk about that. And then i have pulled out a couple of nuggets levin. I didn't even tell you about this. I pulled out a couple of nuggets. Have been studying the draft guide from the athletic. I think it's by Dane ller. I want to say and the thing is it's a monster a beast it's got info on all these guys. I have pulled out some nuggets on the quarterback. And i want to ask you if it's a big deal or if it's not a big deal are you down for that. No what am i supposed to answer. Of course suppose you say. Lb be a shorter episode. all right. Let's start with this barrels article. I've thought it was fascinating for people that don't know if you don't have a subscription to the athletic. Don't worry we got you covered. Basically john back is the quarterback coach. That's working with justin fields. He's been working with them for months and barrels talk to him about fields and about some of the different things he's doing but the interesting part of this and it jumped out to you. Lebanon the article. It says that trae lance has recently started working out with john belk. Does that tell you that maybe lance is in the mix more than we think. Yeah because he. He only started three weeks ago. When did the niner straight up to number three around that same time like. I don't think it's a coincidence. Now john back one the best quarterback coaches so it could just be land sought him out but that seems more unlikely. Then kyle shanahan. Had the number three pick any reached out to john beck who he coached when he was in washington john beck was a backup about ten years ago. For kyle shanahan and now he's become a guru of qb coaches. I would think kyle richon said hey. Go contact lance. Tell him that if he wants to get real consideration for the number three pickings to work with you so that i can get some info. I think that is more likely than lance. Just sought out john back. I totally agree with you and not only does land. Excuse me back. No the system from his time in washington but he also works with jimmy garoppolo. Nick mullins and cj beathard and so he even says in the article like he has a really good idea of how the forty niners offense works. Because he's worked so often with the three quarterbacks that were on the team. So i think the forty niners are kinda using john back as a way to essentially get workouts with these guys in a year that you can't hold a private workout. It certainly seems that way and the article leads off right off the bat. That kyle shanahan has calling. John belk around the clock so a lot of ways. They're skirting rules here. I mean that's the way the nfl works. If you can bend to roll bendit. John beck is essentially a lead scout or coach for the forty niners right now. He is giving them everything they want. They are he'd probably is even taking some direction from kyle in terms of what to put them through. And kinda skirts an issue. But i mean jon. Gruden doesn't get fine for tampering than they shouldn't get in trouble for this. John beck is his own. Guy is not paid by the niners in any way shape or form. It's just a a benefit you get from having a very well connected. Coach and other teams were at the justin fields workout. Today you know. The patriots were there. The falcons were there. There's a few things from that. I want to get to but the first thing that jumps out to me. Eleven is after reading this article. It occurred to me that there are two people that are going to have a massive amount of influence over who gets picked at number three and neither one of them are paid by the san francisco. Forty niners one. Is john belk in this article. And the other is mike shanahan. Kyle's dad who we know has a video hookup to the forty niners. He sees every drill every practice. Everything he gets uploaded to his computer system about a half hour after it happens and he obviously has kyle's ear. Those two guys are going to be a huge factor who gets picked they might be bigger factors than the actual scouts. Let's be honest. The inside john beck can give is so much more detailed and specific than any scout can give because the scout is only getting to observe whereas john. Belk getting to direct. And he's going to get to know. The mind of these quarterbacks better than your scouts can get so i think john beck is going to be a very very big part of the initial evaluation. Everything else will kind of build off that they will start with. John backs input. And then they'll start weighing in adding things that they've seen or or the they want to add or subtract. But i think a lot of it's gonna be built off of john beck's notes. I think right now. John belk has more influence than john lynch. Yeah i would agree with that. I don't like john. Lynch has a whole lot of this is definitely the thing since they have taken over iraq. You're getting your guy sink or swim. This is my worry. And maybe i'm just like to negative here but remember that report. That came out from matt. Miller before the two thousand nineteen season that there was tension between kyle shanahan and the scouts that the scouts felt the kyle wasn't valuing their input enough and it's sort of the niners denied it sorta got crushed by people but then there's also went thirteen and three they year and went to the super bowl. Winning is the ultimate deodorant. Nobody's gonna complain when the team is going to the super bowl. They don't care how much kyle shanahan listening to the scouts. Because it's working well. This could be a situation. Levin where maybe the niners scouts like mac jones or trey lands or whoever it is and maybe kyle and mike shannon and john back like justin fields. Let's say if that pick doesn't work out that whole organization there's a massive rift in that organization right. 'cause scouts are going to be like we never should have picked this guy. Who are you listening to. Why aren't you listening to us. Like the whole thing just blows up. potentially you know. I'm not sure it's necessarily kyle's job to listen to the scouts that's put adam peters is therefore in my opinion it is adam. Peters listens to the scouts to decipher is it and then comes to kyle. And then it's between kyle lynch in peter's to come to decisions with kyle having final say you know what i mean like his time. Talking to a whole bunch of individuals scouts. When you can have somebody he trusts do that. Basically delegating to peter's okay. Listen to the scouts. Tell me the important ship. So i don't waste my time talking to ten or however many. I don't even know exactly how many scouts the niners have. You know what i mean like delegate that right but my point is they're going to make a recommendation and if kyle goes against that recommendation and it doesn't work out in the scouts feel like what are we even doing here in. Kyle's just go with whoever. Mike said whoever mike shanahan says. And whoever i'm beck says what's the point of us being here like that's when there's an organizational problem yes and no. I mean you know. I don't think it's all that uncommon to go against your scouts. You probably see that in the mid rounds especially where a coach is taking a guy that he thinks he can get to contribute faster. Not necessarily the guy that has the highest potential or there was recommended by the scouts. And it's not the scouts job to get to make the decisions. Their job is to collect input and to give that to the people who get to make decisions. If you're upset that they don't go with your decisions then you need to reevaluate what you're wanting to do here because your jobs not to make those decisions you know your role the other takeaway. From today's pro day. I had involves the patriots being there. Because it's one thing for the falcons to be there for right. If the forty niners take trae lance justin fields. They may be draft justin fields. That makes sense well. The patriots are not exactly in striking distance of a quarterback. They're going to have to trade up if they want to get one of these guys. I think the real reason the patriots were there. The primary reason let's say is to talk to kyle. Shanahan john lynch rich scannon garoppolo talked to all those dudes about a jimmy garoppolo deal. That is my theory. I'm wondering if maybe the patriots nine years to look. We know you're drafting quarterback stop bullshitting stop yanking are chain final offer. What is it gonna take to get this guy and if you if you mess around with us that's it we're moving on. Don't bother calling us during the draft. I doubt the patriots are there in part to talk trade. But i do think that there are also there to basically give themselves a backup plan. I don't think they're opposed to trading up and trying to get one of the quarterbacks so if the niners are being stubborn on their asking price for jimmy garoppolo then. They need to do their due diligence because they are the team outside of the top ten. The would be wanting to trade into the top ten to get one quarterbacks to put it that way they said at fifteen that's like prime position to trade up and try to get one of these quarterbacks and if they're not liking the niners stance on garoppolo whether that is the price is way too high or that they're truly committed to keeping jimmy around to the point. Where you kind of make them an offer they can't refuse then they gotta be there. They gotta do their due diligence. Even though it's not likely lance or fields mix it that low. The guy the guy i could see making it to number ten say is mack jones. Like i could see mac falling the other guys. They have too high of upside for somebody to not come up and grab them. If they're sitting there at six seven eight the other possibilities at the patriots. Wanna talk to the falcons brass about trading up to number four. That's i'm sure those conversations have taken place to because they're still going to be you know fields orlando. I believe one of those guys is going to be there number four and if the patriots wanna get aggressive they you know atlanta. I think would be open to trading down. So that's a possibility too made a ton of sense for the patriots to have people that are. Yeah it did and i think that's one of the things about these days. One of the overall take Points i take from. This is the lance in fields. Were both willing to set up second pro days and let's be honest. They set him up because they want to be the number three pick. They sent him up because of nine one thing. This is them trying to get that number three pick because the number two pick is pretty much already known. But there's one guy who didn't know. Obviously mack jones already alabama already had two days so maybe they just decided not to or it could be the kyle never even requested a big mac jones as a one hundred percent of smokescreen and that is something i take away from the pro day as well as the john belk stuff because matt jones hasn't worked with john back to the best of our knowledge. So why not is it. That kyle never asked john back to try to work with him like he did. We would assume with lance or is it the match jones said no in is being stubborn and thus probably pretty dumb to say. No i have my own coaches. I'm good one of those. Two is likely the the scenario that either john belk never reached out or the mac. John said i don't need to do that. I feel confident in my own coaches. I'm sure that would go over real. Well kyle shanahan. Also you want a guy that says yeah. I wanna be the number three overall pick. I'll do whatever you want like. That's one of the things. I i liked from just in fields. Basically like i'll throw throw for whoever wants me to throw like he wants to go as possible and to be honest with you. I mean. I don't think that there's a better landing spot for quarterback kyle shanahan right now in the forty niners team mean trevor. Lawrence is great. But he's going to jacksonville with darryl bevill as offensive coordinator and mire like. I'm pretty sure he'd rather be in san francisco with one of the best. Play callers and all the football. So why wouldn't you want to be the number. three overall. Pick a point that kind of hinted around on here and on twitter and it's too hard to go back and look at all the previous drafts. But i would guess that if it's not the most than it is very close in the running and in the argument for the best landing spot of all time in the top. Five of a draft for a quarterback who's literally a championship roster with what is considered the best or second best depending on where you put any read often of mind in the league with young great wide receivers. One of the best receiving tight ends in the league. Like you got literally everything. Perfect for a quarterback. And i don't know if that's ever happened in the history of the league. Not yeah you've had like ten fifteen twenty where a team didn't quite have the season they had or were able to trade up. I don't ever had that in the top five like that's very rare to have a team that has literally dominant already shown that they can be dominant just sitting there waiting on the quarterback you're right normally teams that pick this high. Don't have a roster this good. I think that there is going to be more pressure on. Whoever the forty niners pick than anybody else in the strath even more than trevor lawrence. Nobody expects trevor lawrence to be good if they could win two games this year. No one's going to say. Trevor lawrence is a bust but whoever the forty niners pick especially if they trade jimmy garoppolo which i think they will then the pressure on that person is unlike anything we've seen in recent history right. There's two ways this can go. 'cause the upside is a bunch of championships. One the best in history. The downside is that are in contention for playoffs every single year. And it's more about what seed they get in the playoffs but then they never do anything in the playoffs. The niners aren't going to miss on this. Pick to the point where here. They are winning. Four five six games every year. The roster's too good. So yesterday was the trae lance episode on the shanna plan. And they started talking about cops for trae lance and one of the names that they came up with was colin kaepernick. Which i thought was interesting in one was donovan. Mcnabb tend to think of this pick as well. He's either going to be a bus there he's going to be. You know franchises all star pro bowl quarterback what if he is someone like donovan mcnabb. Who for a short period of time was one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Not a hall of famer. You know a really good quarterback really dangerous quarterback went to four straight. Nfc championship games. I believe like there's a. It's more likely that the forty niners end up with someone like that right. Look i put this draft pick at almost bust proof now. Some people might look a bust being they simply. Don't ever win the super bowl with them but this quarterback is coming into such a great situation that hit the lowest. You can go in terms of what they end up. Being is like jared goff. Now you can call jerry gafa bust. I don't think he's that good but the simple fact of the matter is he's put up four thousand yard seasons and and thirty touched on season. You can't really quite call him a bust. He's just not a difference maker of a quarterback but the situation is so good at a lot like that. Where the quarterbacks going to put up enough numbers and win enough games because the talent around him and the coaching that he has that he's not going to fall on his face. This isn't going to be a ryan leaf or anything like that. Just because of the talent around him. God i hope not. I mean history. Says that some of these quarterbacks are not going to be good. It's very rare. You get a quarterback class where two quarterbacks are really good let alone three or four main. Everybody knows now. The last time the draft had three quarterbacks picked in a row right at the top was nineteen ninety nine. That was akili smith tim. Couch and donovan. Mcnabb oddly enough and two. Those guys were horrible. Although tim couch was affected by injuries i think he wasn't as bad as akili smith. Akili smith was miserable but usually not all these guys are good. Tim couch was. I think he had a real chance in the beginning and the roster around him was so god awful the eventually his confidence because he he had a decent rookie season. Now if you go back and look at you're gonna no. That's a horrible rookie season. What are you talking about for that time and your it used to be rookies godawful. So if they showed anything. Hey that was a decent rookie season. You know i said on. The senate goes last episode. Might have been the episode before paid. Manning led the league in interceptions as a rookie. He did not have a good rookie season. But as rookies back. Then in that era it was a pretty good rookie season. I mean he set the passing yards record for rookies. There wasn't broken. I think until cam. Newton came around so you have to kind of adjust and if you go back and look at them like he wasn't just a bust right off the gate he just had no support like nothing. He was left out to dry now. Akili smith couldn't even get on the damn field so payton still has the record for rookie interceptions which he hates by the way he's has said many times he wants someone to take that record from my twenty eight. Yeah it's not going to be broken. I throwing that many interceptions. You're getting pulled like you can't throw that many not in today's game and that that's what's changed like it used to be cornerbacks could manhandle receivers and that led to a lot more interceptions because a receiver supposed to be at a certain spot at a certain time in. guess what. It's the defensive back that they're in the receivers getting flung behind him get manhandled like you're just not going to see that. And that's why people like basically anybody can come in and quickly process defense is going to look really good as a rookie. That's the only requirement these days because you can have all the timing routes you want because the receivers can't really be touched. You know like it's just up to you to be able to read pre snap. Where the bullets coming from you know. It's been simplified in a lot of ways for rookie quarterback's and thank god. Because i've been saying the forty niners could make a super bowl run if they pick the right guy and i've been getting skewered for it by the hosts of the sp nation nfl show. So i need that reinforcement from you. That makes me you know. Hold firm in my position. So you're saying you need me got once in a while all right. Let's take a break. Because i recover from that when we come back. I have picked out a couple of nuggets about some of these quarterbacks. I want to get levin's opinion whether they are a big deal or not a big deal. So we'll do that after the break dave. Have you ever watched a movie or tv. Show and thought. I want to immediately fall down a mind bending rabbit hole. Yes well good news buddy. We're doing that every week on galaxy brains. 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Or your favorite podcast app for answers to the biggest questions of today's biggest movies and shows you'll learn a lot like never trust an alien especially when you're buying an old vcr for craigslist story. It doesn't end well dave. It doesn't and well welcome back to the niners nation podcast. This is episode thirty six of the gold standard podcast right levin. I have been combing through. The various draft guides. And i have found little interesting nuggets. I think about some of the quarterbacks. And i want you to tell me whether you think it is a big deal or not a big deal i. Let's start with mac jones. This let me just read to you from the athletic strath guy the last thing it says in bold in a summary for mack jones quote overall jones doesn't have elite level mobility or arm strength. But he is good enough in those areas. Any is poised hyper competitive and doesn't make mistakes. He projects as a high floor. Nfl starter. I've said many times. I think quarterback is as much about the neck up as it is about the neck down to worry you that everything special about mack. Jones is from the neck up. Worry yes because you know we're keep saying the same thing but it's true. The neck up is the hardest part to get a true feel for in a draft prospect is. Nobody's going to give you an honest answer. You can ask their coaches. You can ask their teammates their bias. They're gonna go. Yeah he's great because they don't wanna be the jerk who tank the guys stock by saying. No he's never in the film room like nobody does that. So it's really hard to get a real read on the mind part of an nfl draft prospect. But i don't necessarily disagree the the fact that he's not a great athlete. Isn't that big of a deal to me because you don't have to be a great athlete to be a really really good quarterback but it does make the degree of difficulty harder because you can't get away with things you can't make a mistake you can't miss a read and be late to go well and then run for ten yards. You know like you have to hit your spots and make your correct rates and that just raises the degree of difficulty and we see that with jimmy garoppolo. Like if he doesn't make the right read it the right time. He is screwed. The play is over. There's not going to be a positive coming out of kennedy. Pats the ball and then that's when i really start to clench because i feel like when the throat doesn't come out on time that's jimmy throws his interceptions used to give me all sorts at odds every week watching him play when he gets ballerina feet. When i worry got you could see what happens so often and i think the injuries to piled up. I gave him ballerina feet even more often than he would normally have. But let's focus on more of the rookies about this from trae. Lance faced only one second half deficit in his entire career. And we don't think that's a big deal at all. No 'cause you're either a good quarterback you're not won a national championship so you're going to sit here like that's what that's getting. That is oh. He doesn't have experience being clutch. Okay well. he won a national championship. Well because do you have experience dealing with adversity. i mean he's only thrown what he his whole first year. Main years starry through no interceptions. He's never faced the second half deficit. What do we know about this guy how he handles adversity where your draft he val. And that's part of that. Mind thing you have to figure out. Are they strong now. I would argue. He was a nineteen year old kid who dominated the league and had one of the most dominant seasons ever that level on the way to a championship. So i think he's pretty mentally strong because he had all the pressure on the world stepping in as a nineteen year old here was replacing carson wentz. Who was a big time fell. Everybody knows him and eastern stick. Who was the most decorated. I guess quarterback in that program's history. Which is a dynasty in the fcs level. they've won. I don't even know how many national championships. And i think it's like some like six or seven national championships. Just in the last decade they dominate that level and so he had a ton of pressure on him because he was replacing carson wentz replacing eastern stick who had all the programs passing records because he was a starter longer than carson wentz so like he stepped in and he dominated as a nineteen year old. Did that's fair. that's a fair response. You're right. I mean he's super young. He's not gonna turn twenty one until the season begins. I believe which is insane like he could literally start an nfl game and then not be able to go out for beers afterwards with his teammates. Which you know. I'm sure that's not exactly stopping him from drinking. But you know what. I mean All right let me compare to justin fields. I'm before we move on. Because justin fields has dealt with pressure always he was the number to recruit coming out of high school only. Trevor lawrence was ahead of justin fields. Coming out of high school he transfers. He goes to georgia. He transfers to ohio state. Leads them to the college football playoffs both years. He has always had the spotlight on him and he's largely delivered in the spotlight to me. That matters because like we just talked about the pressure. That's going to beyond this pick. That's not going to be new to justin fields where it might be to a guy like trae lance. There's one key difference here between him and trevor lawrence fields. I at least get. The sense has a little bit of a chip on his shoulder. Because he's always been second even though in terms of actual prospect wise he would be in the running for number one in a lot of drafts and yet here. He is not even ever being truly considered the number one pick and was not one recruit and he's always played second fiddle to trevor lawrence and i think they give them a little bit of a chip on his shoulder and part of what drives him. Whereas that is my big concern with trevor. Lawrence started can divert here but trevor lawrence has always been seen as this prodigy and you can see it in his demeanor like he's so laid back. He's like yeah. Whatever that my concern is how driven is he. Because you wanna talk about never facing adversity. He's never been questioned and people's egos eat them alive the moment their question for the first time and they they don't react well some people they get questioned they get mad and they get driven to be better. Some people who never dealt with their entire lives finally get questioned and they're like well. Fu guys you know and they start shutting down like do i think trevor lawrence would make a good quarterback. Yeah do i have concerns. Yes what i take him number one overall. I'm not actually all that. Sure i would take him. I just because. I don't like to mirror. His demeanor worries me. And if you've i mean we saw perfect example of this last year with carson wentz and the eagles the second day benched him and he was the worst starting quarterback in the league last year but the second day benched him he was done he was done with the team. He knew he wanted out. He said much that he knew his relationship with the eagles was over when he got benched like he did not take that as an opportunity to reflect maybe say. Hey i need to change some things. I need to grow and get better. And here's where i can improve. He was just like how dare they questioned me. And of course he gets traded. You know the deal to the colts and now he thinks like hey. I must be doing something right. Some team wanted me the gave up stuff to get me so you know. We'll see if he can take the head coaching. But that's a fair. That's a fair point. I liked the idea of fields having a little chip on his shoulder. Especially because not only is he again not beating out trevor lawrence by all indications and from what the jets have said fields isn't even going to be the number two pick because the jets seemingly are locked in on zach wilson a byu so he could be sitting there saying. I'm the best damn quarterback in this draft. And i'm number three. Yeah like since. He went to college like what happened. He went to georgia. He didn't win the starting job from jake from and yet when he came in and got opportunities in there because they kind of split a little bit of time he looked great and yet he's still couldn't get the job so he transferred out. Now he's going into the draft after being doubted after going to ohio state and like you said good getting to the college playoff both years he started and pretty much everything he possibly could to look like the real deal instead of being people saying okay. He's the real deal. Maybe we should consider him over. Trevor lawrence they go. Oh no this. This other guy just came out of nowhere and sorry. You're number three now. He has to be asked him. What else can i do. Screw you guys you know like you keep doubting me and you keep knocking me down at all. I do is sit here and do everything i'm supposed to do right like and you know zach wilson's at byu. He's playing a bunch of tomato cans on the schedule. Justin fields is that ohio state plane one of the toughest schedules in the country. Like he's got every reason to think that at worst he should be number two in this draft. But it doesn't look like that's going to happen my last little nugget. There is four justin fields. He has twelve fumbles over the last two years. Does that concern. You know that. That's one of the things that i think easier to kinda fix. It's basically just being aware like could it be something rears. Its head early in his career. Certainly but this isn't going to be a tony banks situation. He's good enough to be able to fix it. And now those of you. Who don't know tony banks reference. Go look it up. He is the king of fumbling for quarterbacks. Turnovers have killed this team. They've killed the forty niners. That seems to be the only thing that can stop this offense. From consistently going down the field of seen it with moans and beth third and garoppolo interceptions and fumbles. So i do worry that. A guy especially a guy with some mobility. That's going to be out there on the run if he does have a little bit of a fumbling issue because that is the number one thing the forty niners have to cut out is turnovers. And i just that's dead. I saw that and i was like twelve. Fumbles in two years. That's a concern for me. Yeah but i mean. The first time he scrambles and fumbles. We're gonna see that kyle shanahan stare. Yeah we are gonna get stared down and it's going to be if you ever wanna freaking scramble again you cover up the ball. I don't care what you do scrambling don't take a big hit and hold the ball with both hands. I would rather you get a five yard scramble and we have third down then you do a miraculous stuff and risk a fumble to get fifteen in the first doubt. You know what i mean like. I think that's gonna be the case to just for actual scrambling. Kyle is gonna make unknown if he takes one of these mobile quarterbacks whether it's lance or fields that you don't take a big hit you're not risking injury. I traded way too much to get you your way too important to this team. I don't care what it is. We will get the first down some other way. Don't take a big hit. And i think that would actually be a bigger issue for a trae lance because trained lance is a big freaking dude and he runs over people and you see it in the highlights where he's just trucking people that's not gonna fly in the nfl. Like is he big enough to truck. Some people certainly does. Kyle wanna see that. no yes. Six four basically to twenty-five for trae lance. He's he's a mutant and he didn't run but the from what i've seen online he. They think he's runs. Basically like a four five. Which as a quarterback is is fast now. Justin fields runs like a four four. Which is insane but lance. Obviously he's got some wheels to he just didn't want to run the forty because he knew he was going to be slower than justin fields. Sorry you don't sound too concerned about any of those things. I brought up. No a main part of it. Is i know what they are prospects like. I'm not overly concerned about really anything with these prospects. I think they're all. I wouldn't say top five because i don't think mack jones of the top five but mack jones being top ten. Yeah i could see him being a pretty good top ten. The only real big concern i have with any of these. Is mack jones mental makeup in terms of discipline because he has the dui and he's chubby like those things concern me. And i actually got an twitter. Spat was one of our nation's writers rich madrid. i saw. Yeah the he doesn't care whatsoever. That mack jones is a little bit out of shape. He doesn't think that matters whatsoever. I'm sorry when you're evaluating prospect. Could somebody be a dominant quarterback and be slightly out of shape. If he's not a mobile runner. Yeah but you gotta look at every little thing and the mental. Makeup of a quarterback is a big deal and when somebody's not doing everything they possibly can to maximize their abilities. That is a concern. Like i don't understand how that's not a concern to somebody when you're evaluating a prospect because you want somebody as an. Nfl player doesn't matter the position that is obsessed with giving every last ounce of talent and ability that they have and mack. Jones doesn't do that. And that is a concern and so much of this. Success is going to be the meshing of the personalities between kyle shanahan and whichever quarterback draft and what do we know about kyle dudes grinder. Like he is in for the long haul. He's up early he's stanley. He's not like the bruce arians type coach. Who's like hey go to your kids recitals. And all that like he eats sleeps and breathes football. He needs a quarterback. That's the same way if he has someone that's a little more laid back. That's not you know like you said literally maximizing every minute of every day that's going to lead to some frustration. I think on his part. So part of this is going to be the matching of the personalities between kyle and whoever they take right and richest boy was. You don't need a six pack to be a quarterback sur. Sure but that's that's not the point. I was arguing point. Is your train evaluate a person and what they can be and if they're not obsessed with giving everything that they've got that is a red flag when you're talking about a draft prospect. You haven't seen him in the league. You don't know what he's capable of now. If this was a a pro bowl free agent quarterback who had been a little bit out of shape like say big big been free agent market at some point during his career while you know he can produce at a dominant level already. So you're not as concerned but you are concerned about a player that you don't know how well they're gonna study phone. You don't know how dedicated they're going to be. That is the hardest thing yet. Also probably the most important thing about what makes a great quarterback great everything great quarterback in this league at least in recent history since film became readily available has been obsessive about watching film. Sophie's not obsessive about getting. The most out of his body is obsessive about watching film. Like you can't know that so you just have to downgrade him a little bit. When you see that there has to be some way to rank these guys you can only take one. So you have to differentiate between them somehow so everything becomes a factor. I agree with you like yeah. Maybe you're splitting hairs. But you have to rank them somehow. There needs to be a rubric there to make your decision. And i kind of agree with you if you're not in the gym which clearly not then you're doing something else. What is it if it's football related. Then you feel a little better if it's not obviously that's a red flag. So that's just one of many reasons. Why i don't think max jones is going to be the pick. I just don't see the forty niners moving up and giving up as much as they did to get mack jones. And you know i mean this is not a factor in the forty nine or thinking levin but you could see years from now if they pick mack jones and he's stinks and justin fields and trae lance go onto good that picture of mack jones with his shirt off and kind of the little beer belly. He's got that's gonna live forever and it's gonna say the forty niners pick this guy over mac over justin fields and over trae lance and that would rightly cost them their job. Now like i said. I don't think any of those three are going to be bad enough to cost anybody their job because they're falling into a perfect situation. So i don't like i said i don't think it's really possible for this draft. Pick to be a bust. Will i be upset. If it's matt jones momentarily like we're probably going to have a lie. I will probably be live with you during the draft. Will i be upset. Yeah but i do think mack jones is a pretty good prospect. I do think he could be really good. And because of what he's falling into like okay. Like i'm still going to be excited shortly after because of what is there. I think he's probably going to be better than jimmy. I do think he's basically jimmy garoppolo slightly better in younger now. Basically what he is and cheaper so like. I don't see this being something. Where matt jones go. And i go you guys are idiots blah blah blah blah. I'm so upset. And i just sit there and basically create a bias in my mind where in rooting against the gay. Some fans are going to do that. If matt jones has taken not going to sit there and they're going to allow their disappointment in the draft. Pick to make them sit there. Basically being mr grumpy gills to make a finding nemo reference they're going to be grumpy gills and there's gonna sit there and go. I knew he knew every single time he misses a throw like. Don't do that. The moment the draft pick he's a niner so yes be disappointed. Get over it and move on especially in between the period of the draft and when the season starts like maybe he's bad but we won't know until he actually gets on the field so there's no reason to be all up in arms about it. Now you know this is the one. This is the honeymoon phase at least enjoy that. If he's not gonna be good. Yeah i mean it is gonna be what it's going to be. I will be pretty surprised if it is mack jones. Just because you know what do we know about the niners in this regime. They don't like people who have distractions. They are like people who do bad things in terms of criminal. The ship reuben foster out when some teams sat around with them. You know. then you look at other guys like they don't like these negative red flags like a d why they don't like sitting in having that they i think they do through some degree care about your character off the field. Some franchises don't give a shit about that period. All they care about is winning. They will sell their soul to win. And i don't think the niners are quite in that. So i do think the diy will end up weighing pretty heavily. Which is why. I'd be surprised if it ends up being him. I think you're right. I think part of the proof of that is member of that story. That jimmy garoppolo dating a porn star. He was seen with the porn star. We didn't hear anything after that. About who jimmy. Garoppolo was hanging out with in dating and i'm pretty sure he didn't stop dating women so i wouldn't be shocked at all. Kyle jimmy in to his office and said hey figure out a way to beat more discreet about this. These are not the headlines. We want to see. Yeah i mean that was definitely jimmy's paid and the man final half percent behind. Tom brady and look what i pulled down. You know feels great baby moment. I mean when. I'm pretty sure jimmy. Garoppolo doesn't have any trouble finding dates on a saturday night guy you know. Just ask george kittle about how handsome jimmy g. is. I'm sure he'd be happy to tell you but right. You made me feel a little better. Because i was reading some of this stuff for now. Starting to get a little concern. So you've eased. Saw my concerns. Thank you very much once again. You need me once again. I think it's time to exit this conversation. That's going to do it for this edition of this show. As you hinted at lebanon we are going to be live during the nfl. Draft the niners nation. Podcast will be live on the air when the draft starts. We'll be talking about to do with the forty niners. We're gonna have you. Unfortunately we're gonna have kyle pose. He's gonna jump in cash niner nate. Hopefully leo's gonna come on board as well. We going to be there for you up to the niners pick obviously will react wants to pick is made so you want to subscribe to the niners nation youtube channel. Feel free to do that now. So you don't miss it and it's gonna be a hell of a time. Yeah i just told by can actually make it because as if told you. I'm getting my second shot of the vaccine the day before so i'm going to have like a twenty four hour window if i get hit hard from what i've heard of the people do get hit hard Probably not gonna be in the mood to talk to you. Don't garoppolo me man. Need you to justin field. He take that hit. He played against clemson man. Come on. I needed to come strong. It all depends. Like if i just feel a little under the weather. I'll be on but you know i. I have a sister-in-law that was in bed for two straight days and i'm not negative on the vaccine so don't even go there with me like it's worth it. It's just. I might be getting hit by a frigging mack truck right before the niners get hit by metric. Ceo that god all right review subscribed despite that comment. And we'll talk to you next week.

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Niners Nation Radio: How much leash does Kyle Shanahan have + NFC West win totals

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Niners Nation Radio: How much leash does Kyle Shanahan have + NFC West win totals

"What is good everybody. Welcome to stats and mags. We're now calling it for now on this. Friday i'm rob staffs career and with me as always michelle magique. What is up for show. Hey hey i'm happy today. Because justin fields had a second throwing session and all of a sudden people are starting to believe that the forty niners could possibly take just feels. So i'm a happy camper. Yes he is actually now as we record this the betting favourite to land with the forty niners at number three. We're going to get into that. We're going to get into. How much leash kyle. Shanahan has now with his new quarterback and they win. Totals are out from vegas. They just came out right before we sat down records. I want to ask you about that but before we get started. I just want to remind you as always please rate review and subscribe. If you leave a comment we will read it like this. One from merrill music who says excellent perspective from excellent analysts and journalists levin rob nate. Kp michelle and akash bring engaging energy to their weekly podcast. Don't take themselves too seriously and have a fun of delivering the latest niners news. A swear or two is expected but they're definitely family friendly in their breakdown of everything niners. It's been fun listening and getting to know this group. So there you go and i think i have been very family friendly. I don't know if i've sworn you. I didn't know that was even allowed. I don't think i've ever heard you swear i. We don't swear on our podcast. I actually saw a lot as a person. But somehow somehow once i get i'm high it just doesn't come out i. Yeah i've been doing radio for a long time. So i have a thing in my head about sitting behind a microphone. Something in my brain. I don't usually swear but this team also has a way of getting under my skin and sometimes it just come out definitely during football games. You don't wanna be around me. I am psycho. That was definitely something. My wife was not prepared for was watching me. Watch sports. 'cause i'm i'm either sitting in the exact same position for two hours because i don't wanna move at all because the team's doing well or things are going crazy and i'm like all over the room he'd be like me and hold your bladder if they're winning like you can't ruin you like if you go to the bathroom. They're going to start losing weight. And it's all your fault as one hundred percent our fault. This work crazy. The first time. Kate my wife saw me watch steelers game she. I thought she might break up with me. We were dating for like six months. No we got our butts kicked. It was that thursday night game. First game of the year against the patriots. So was like all that hype building up in the patriots literally. Destroyed the steelers legos. That's not good. Yeah you're right because like it's one thing if things are going well you could kind of hide your crazy a little bit but when you're getting destroyed it's hard because it it just comes out it does and i'm not. I'm not a fun person to be around when we're losing okay. So you mentioned the justin fields second pro day this just in. He's big. he's strong. He can throw it really far. What jumped out to you about the fields. so there wasn't too much tape available. I felt he did everything he did in the first one like you. You could see his accuracy. You can see throws deep. I don't really know why he needed the second one. Besides to like get to talk with kyle shanahan and john lynch and a couple of their teams but we did get to see the picture of cal shanahan and justin field smiling like they were in love and i like the gift of that was slow motion to just as all great love. Stories are this is the thing with the pro days Because there's but there was a development this week that i think is significant and that development is trey lance. We found out this week has been working with john. Belk former quarterback former quarterback kyle shanahan washington football team. And that's important because kyle and back are close. And i basically think that this is the biggest indication that the niners are choosing between fields and lance. So they want lance to work with john beck so that kyle basically has an apples to apples comparison. Because you can't do really private workouts with these guys but beck can work out with them as a quarterback coach. So then kyle i imagine is just hitting up. John belk like everyday. What's he doing. what's he like. What kind of study habits does he have that to me. Is the biggest sign yet. That mccorkell jones will not be on the forty niners. I still think it's going to be mack. Jones like i really do. The michael lombardi reported that ninety eight percents of teams with jesse make sense. Because you can't get to ninety eight percent but ninety percent of nfl teams think that the forty niners will junk. It seems like every media person that has their connections believes. It's going to be mack jones. Now we got some fields. Now have a second pro day. So that's the latest bias and you've got to see them together and then trae lands is going to have his on monday so he's going to be the last one before the draft. I don't really know what the takeover of gun obviously. I'm hoping it's fields. But i still think at the end of the day it's going to be mac jets. I think feels is going to run a lot of forty niners stuff. I'm sorry now. Fields of lance is going to run a lot of forty nine or stuff on monday. Because i think you know it's beneficial for kyle to see guys running his stuff. John belk knows the forty nine or stuff. 'cause he works with jimmy garoppolo and cj beathard and nick mullins so he he has pretty good knowledge of what the forty niners are going to do. And i think that that san francisco's kinda taken advantage here and sort of using this as an opportunity to get as close to a private workout as you can possibly yet but regardless of who the pick is michelle. Obviously whoever it is they're going to have to play. And you and i were talking before we recorded and you brought up like look the facts of the fax kyle. Shanahan is twenty nine and thirty five as a head coach. It has not been good for most of the time. He's been there saved for that one season. So how much leash do you think. Kyle shanahan has now this new quarterback. Yeah that's the issue. What if this new quarterback comes in and they only win six games. Like how long are you giving him. I guess you have to think as a rookie quarterback like the least have two years with him right. I don't know i feel like you. Forty niners fans absolutely love shanahan. Which is fair when he has jimmy garoppolo there like they win He's brought you to the super bowl. But then the other years where he doesn't have jimmy garoppolo. It's been kind of disaster. We saw mike tomlin without being Ben rothlisberger like be competitive in a way and we haven't seen that out of kyle shanahan. So what is your thought like. How long would you want to give him if they were bad again next year. So you're totally right about forty niners fans and maybe we have rose colored glasses. Because i don't want any other coach in the league than kyle shanahan like. I know that he's lost ten games out of three hundred four years like i get it. I think he's amazing. I think he's the best coach they've had since. Probably george siefert which is going back a long long time and i know harbor has a much better record. I think he is exactly what they need. But coaches don't always get long leashes with a rookie quarterback's when the titans drafted marcus mariota number two and the bucks drafted jameis. Winston number one was the same year. They both fired their head. Coaches after that quarterbacks have rookie year so it's you don't really get a lot of honeymoon phase like you used to get. And i'm wondering like look at justin. Herbert last year was awesome right like set rookie records but he was six and nine as a starter. Y'know that happens with the forty niners are people going to start to turn on kyle shanahan. I don't know. I think if if they have a quarterback who's that guy just in her and they do lose all of those games like that would be more worrisome than if you saw like okay. He's a rookie quarterback. he's struggling. We'll get to the next level because then it's like okay. Well what's wrong with the team then like it's not a quarterback. It's either the team or the coach. I think that would be more stressful for him. I think the biggest problem that could happen is if mack jones comes in and he just looks kind of like man and then fields and lancer going off and other places like i i think that would be the quickest way for him to lose his job. Yeah those three players are all these quarterbacks but especially those guys whoever's available for the forty niners at their spot are going to be tied together. You're right that is a key evaluation. Point is not only. Can this guy play well. But how does he play compared to the other people that they didn't draft. What is your perspective on. Shanahan as a non forty niners fan. Clearly you know my feelings on him. What would you him for for a time line here. And what do you think i would give him. La's two years with this new quarterback we like like i said he has a great record when jimmy garoppolo his starting quarterback is actually playing the other quarterbacks he had been straight garbage so i don't really blame that on him. He's built a good team on him. I feel like his players are all for him. I do think he's actually one of the top five coaches in the nfl. So you'd have to give a million a couple more years. He's almost like that. Jim harbaugh g- that jim. Sorry who's the other brother. John harbaugh john. He's almost like john. I every year. It's like ooh could he be on the hot seat but it's like who. Are you going to find that. It's better if you do. Fire cow shanahan after a bad season. Like who are you bringing in that any better. Your that's going to be a hard thing to find not to mention the fact that he just got a new contract. And i don't think jed york is gonna be paying to head coaches here. Did that for a long time before. Kyle got in. So that's definitely a factor as well you mentioned to me before we started recording about the versus defense. I think a lot of forty niner fans think. Hey you get this quarterback. The offense around him is set. You got tibo. Iu kiddo most or all those guys keep the quarterback is the missing piece on offense but then there's the other side of that that says hey. The defense was really good last year. Even with a bunch of injuries where do you think which side of the ball do you think the forty niners need to focus on in this draft so when you're looking at the playoffs last year the top nine teams in points per game all made the playoffs. Eleven of the fourteen teams that made it. We're in the top fourteen and the packers bills and bucks were all top three and they all made the conference championship. And then the chiefs were at six. So it's not like they're far behind. I do think benefit right now is turning to an odd offense matters the most like you need to have an average defense like you can't have a terrible defense to go far in the playoffs but you don't need a dominant one now. The bucks last year yes. They had a pretty solid defense at least in the running game. They're they're pass. Defense was an elite. It got better as the season went on but they won the super bowl because of their offense because of tom brady and all of his weapons that he had. I think. That's where the forty niners you to focus on. I think right now they already have a pretty solid defense like when all the guys come back healthy you have it that solid base. Now make your offense elite. They're going to try to start that third overall pick. Whoever that is i do think almost in the second round then you go grab another wide receiver. I'm like starting to come around to this Or four hear me out. I know you forty niners fans. Don't care about running backs. And kyle shanahan doesn't care get one like get a great one. Devante williams is sitting there in the second round. I just grab him. Because it's not fair to this rookie quarterback coming in to have to depend on jeff wilson or he moster every three games because they keep getting hurt. That's going to happen. I mean most that. I love him but the dude is always banged up in a second round. I wouldn't be mad if they drafted a running back. I really think they need another receiver. Especially because after this year i you and depot or the only guys under contract so like just from that standpoint you need another body And i think that they need us. Lock either and you need a kendrick bourne replacement. He left to go to new england. That doesn't need to be like a superstar but you need a guy that has either quickness that can get open kind of like julian edelman. Wes welker type. Wes welker the wide receiver coach. You'd think they'd be able to find someone or go the opposite way like the head was born a big guy in the slot. That could be a red zone target. But they need to fill that area so to me. If they're gonna go offense in round two. I would rather go wide receiver than running back. That's my biggest issue with the forty niners going wide receivers as a big run wide receivers in the first round and the top second like all the best guys are going to be off the board pretty early in this class isn't full. Those tall wide receivers. They're all short little guys and skinny. And i don't think that's what the forty niners need. You have like those yard after catch guys. I think you need someone that can make the defense honest and can get deep and beer deep threat. I think that could be diameter brown from Unc he reminds me a mike wallis. So much without the elite speed. He's not slow in any way he ran a four. That's fast that's fast enough. He doesn't have the mike. Wallace elite for three speed. But he. that's exactly how he plays that. Deep he goes deep pretty much every play. He averaged eighteen point four yards per target last year average up the target was eighteen. Point four wild. Yeah and i. I think that'd be perfect for the forty niners offense. You have deebo. And i you who can get the yards after the catch and then you have your deep player I think that'd be perfect. You you could use another tied ed. Maybe a behind. George kittle too tight unsaid especially with kiddo. Getting injured often. I just don't know if i see anyone in the second round. That would be a good fit for that. That early kyle needs a deep threat. He something that he's always tried to have with the forty niners first. They tried it with markey's goodwin. They thought he was going to be the guy. I think they thought i was going to be able to get open more deep when they took him now. Jimmy can't really throw deep. So that was an issue there. Vegas set the over under for wide receivers in the first round at four and a half. That's the line draft kings had. Where are you going on that over under. I'm hitting the over. I think the top four. You have your waddell. Your smith your chase and then i think marshall terse marshall from lsu like those four are going and i also think various tony allies more are pretty good locks to go so that six wide receivers right there and we're not even bringing in rishaad baseman or rondo more who could also go and the top of the first round there if you had fifteen minutes before the first lodge more reference. You win yes. People don't believe alleged moore is going to be taken in the first round. I'm telling you he's going to be a first round draft pick in two weeks less than two weeks. Speaking of first round draft picks. A report came out yesterday that i was absolutely stunned to read. And i don't know necessarily if i believe it. It involves the forty niners evolves an offer that supposedly they made earlier this off. Season to the new york jets. The twelfth overall pick for sam darnold so this is cecil lamie says that sources tell him. The jets turned down an offer for the forty niners for a first round. Pick for sam darnold earlier. The offseason joe. Douglas and company had concerned about zack wilson shoulder and wanted to see his pro day now. They're super confident. Blah blah blah blah. This doesn't make sense to me. Michelle because of the forty niners were willing to give up a first round. Pick for sam darnold one. Why the hell didn't the jets immediately take that. But to why didn't they trade for him later. Like he went for far less than a first round. Pick so if the forty niners wanted him. Why didn't they get him. This doesn't make sense to make. It doesn't make sense whatsoever. I mean it's so the jets right so like nothing can be off the table when it comes to them. But how do you go from can get the twelfth overall pick two. oh we'll take a fourth this year in a second next year that we have no idea what it will be like. Come on i feel like. I don't think someone would just report this to report it. Like they have to have some information but it just doesn't make any sense and like you said why wouldn't they go back to the forty niners and say. Hey what do you want to get for him. Even if it is a second this year instead of they can't get the twelfth anymore. It would still be better than a second next year. Yeah the only thing. I could think that maybe it was next year's first round pick which was a little less sure because if you're the jets how do you say no. We don't want the second and the twelfth overall pick this year because we really want sam darnold. That makes no sense to me. i agree so i just. I was really surprised at that. Came out because it doesn't seem to line up to me with how the forty niners value the quarterback position. 'cause i don't they don't like turnovers darnold's best at and if if they are honestly looking at sam darnold. That makes me more nervous. That they're looking at mac john's because they're clearly looking at a guy that's not super mobile and it's it would run in that kind of system that he's kyle shanahan already running. I think that's what we need to figure out here. Just call shanahan. Just want a guy that can do. The jimmy garoppolo role better than hit hit. The wide receivers shore. Let him do his work after the cut. If you wanted to be like mac. Jones is good for that role. He had the second most passing yards on screenplays in the fbi slash year. Five hundred. ninety one when you're looking at just fields. He was eighty six yards offscreen. Eighty six yards. Let's it of his screenplays like he is that guy that is accurate deeper. And he's going to be able to air it out but that's not real really kyle shanahan system right now. Does he want to change it. Up to be a better and more consistent offense. I think he. I think he doesn't wanna have to run screens. And all those like behind. The line of scrimmage kind of dropped passes i think he did that out of necessity. Because he wanted to guarantee that his playmakers got the ball and space and with jimmy. You never know what the hell was going to happen. So kyle adjusted. I think he was hiding the quarterback. And i think after last year another year of frustration with injuries and inconsistent play. He just got tired of it. I wouldn't be stunned if after the year. He kicked the door down. Jed york's office and said i can't take this anymore. I know you're piss that. I've lost ten games in three out of four years but the last two seasons. My quarterback has played sixteen games. I've gone to the super bowl. I'm done with this guy. We have to make a move to get a quarterback. And i want a guy that i don't have to hide anymore. Yeah and that's what's even more confusing then about going to look at sam darnold because like he would drive you way. More crazy than jimmy garoppolo. Jimmy garoppolo is a much better quarterback than sam darnold. And you'd be basically cutting a nick mullins back there again except he would have way higher expectations. And that's the only thing if you're the niners why don't you try and trade jimmy garoppolo for sam darnold. You've got the offensive coach in new york Michael floors the offensive coach for the jets obviously knows garoppolo like the fact that a first round pick was supposedly offered i just. I can't believe this is the season of lying. I don't deny that that person was told that that offer was made. I just don't early believe it or no matter what now in the third overall pick you could just be happy that you didn't get sam darnold right. I think. I would rather have mac jones even than sam darnold. That's a good point all right. Let's take a break when we come back. The wind totals from the william hill. Sportsbook are out. We'll tell you what the forty niners is. And as well as the rest of the nfc west and vegas is saying about that division welcome back to stats and max okay michelle. This is like one of my favorite days of the whole year win. Total day. I love when the over unders come out. It's like christmas for may like there are a couple of days in the off season when the schedule comes out. I'm all about that. I love to go through win. Loss with like i love it and the windows are out now. From the william hill sportsbook. They are at ten wins. Okay that's fair that's fair. Have you ever gone back to look to see how accurate they've been with. Preseason comparative where teams ended up after. I have sometimes not recently. But i do know that. They didn't get the money for all those casinos in vegas because they're wrong very often and now they're always spot on how many times i do like the player props like back in the day and it'd be like they have scored twenty nine points in basketball or twenty nine and a half and they score exactly twenty nine and it's like how are they so spot on all of the time it's staggering just for context here. Kansas city has the most their win. Total is twelve followed by tampa bay at eleven and a half baltimore and green bay at eleven and then buffalo and the rams at ten and a half so there are only six teams. That have higher win. Totals in the forty niners team coming off as we said yet. Another ten loss season. So they have the forty niners higher than the steelers. Oh yeah do you want wanna guess pittsburgh steelers number. Why would it be low. I don't understand like mike. Tomlin never loses. He never had a losing season so if they have them having a losing season that makes no sense so i have to say it would be at least nine nine hundred number. Yes pittsburgh new. England miami and the chargers are all at nine. Wow they're high. On the chargers. I wouldn't be stunned if the charges were in the super bowl next year. I like it i like. I do like them as my sleeper playoff team. For sure. i think justin herbert's gonna put up a monster year. Just yes i mean. How could you not. He's frigging fantastic. Nfc west as i mentioned the rams were at ten a half forty niners or at ten. The seattle seahawks are at ten and bringing up the rear the arizona cardinals projected to lose more games than they win. They are eight. And i think that's all fair. I the cardinals right now. Do not have a secondary like their corner to starting corners. Less you're gone. They brought him malcolm butler the they're often should be fine. If james conner can actually run the ball and they're wide receivers are great customers. Great i want to expect them to have over five hundred record. I do like the rams taking the over. I think the rams are going to be one of the best teams in the nfl. I could see them at twelve wins for sure. So take the over there seattle. Who might go the under the russell wilson. So good well. That's the interesting thing to me. What does it say to you. That vegas looks at the seahawks with russell wilson at quarterback and the forty niners with undetermined at quarterback and they gave them russell wilson to know they're going to have russell's to void. I love how inconsistent i am. I keep saying like they're going to draft mack jones but acting like it's going to be field. I understand for listeners. Like what are you doing. But i want them the dress field so bad if they do. Then that's going to ten wins. Because they have their russell wilson. So i i do wanna know. It is very interesting that they have them at the same amount of wins. But do you feel like seattle's is going to be a competitive team next year with all the pieces like they lost and having brought in their always competitive because russell is just that damn good as much as i hate to admit it. And i have told told russell wilson to his face that i hate his guts. But he's just that good but their defense like this goes to the point you made earlier. Their defense is hideously bad. And i know that people think that they you know kind of rounded into form last season the last seven games. But here's a quarterback stay faced in those games. Cj beathard dwayne haskins colt mccoy. Sam darnold john wolford jared goff and carson wentz. So this just in. They faced a bunch of tomato cans down the stretch last year. That defense hasn't gotten any better throughout this whole offseason. So they're going to be competitive. 'cause ross is there but if you look at the team as a whole the forty niners have a better team. Oh one hundred percent. And if they don't let russell's and do his thing and let them throw the ball they're going. They're not going to be a good team and at the end of the year. That's what they went to. They went to the running game. They went to holding russell wilson back. And that's just not the way to win in today's nfl. I don't understand it. Their offense was on fire. And then they're like you know what now we don't like you on fire. We want you to be worse and you're never going to win in the playoffs with the ball outside of russell. Wilson's he's your best player. Use it. it's not that hard. There are only two coaches that can stop russell. wilson one is darrel bell. He's the offensive coordinator with the jags. Now and the other is pete carroll and thank god for pete because i gotta tell you if somebody else was coaching the seahawks. I think they would be a lot better One hundred percent. I don't get the mindset like russell. Wilson should have brought you to multiple. Nfc conference championships multiple super bowls. While i guess it has been multiple super bowls but it should even be more but the way that they don't let him just cook let russ cook. It's i will never understand it. And when the forty niners have just feels a better. Let him do his thing like. Don't take the ball out of his hands all the time. It doesn't make any sense. That's what i say. Whoever they draft let him play. Hit the gas. No training wheels no guts. No gutter bumpers. Like they have in bowling. Just like let him go because to be honest. I think you're going to need sue. Because i agree with you on the rams. I think the rams are going to be really good. I don't know why people think that sean mcvay is going to win. Less with matt stafford a quarterback that he did with jared goff like i think they're going to be a real problem for not just the niners but for everybody in the nfc. Yeah and they did lose a couple of pieces on defense. so that could be worrisome. Analysts like their coaches. so i think that's where they could fall apart. But i do really like their overall roster and their offense with cam akers and i really liked darryl hundred as well i think he's a undervalued running back. So those two in the backfield with matthew stafford and cooper kupp. Robert woods Tyler who i think is also underrated as an actual. Nfl player. Like those are great pieces in like you said. I can't envision sean mcvay being worse with matthew stafford. Then he was a jared goff going to the forty niners. Ten wins right. Do they have to like is it ten and a half or just ten and flat okay. So we need to get eleven wins out of this to win. They have some pretty easy game so they had the texans at this moment. Were assuming to shawn. Watson probably will not be playing there Then we have the falcons like okay. They could have a better offense but their defense is still going to be terrible. They have the jaguars even trevor lawrence. You'd think that would be a win. Detroit lions think. That'd be a win. The bears is easily winnable and then the eagles bash should be a win so those are six games right there that wins so you just need them to pull out five more against within their own division whether that be the cardinals the seahawks you would think they would at least slip those that would bring them to eight even if they lose both games. The rams then you just need them to win. I guess it does tighter now. You need them. The win against the titans and the vikings and that's still only bring them to ten oof. I might be gone the under see. You gotta beat. You have to beat the cardinals twice which they've had trouble with the cardinals. They've always beaten him rams but with stafford there. That totally changes everything. So you don't know so. I would assume a split with the rams split with the seahawks. Yeah you're going to have to get a couple those to go your way but like long as quarterback is anything. I really think they're going to be in so many even if he just doesn't turn the ball over. I think kyle's offense is good enough to help them. Put up points on the board. Maybe it's a bunch of field goals. I don't know but as long as he just doesn't turn it over. And that's the thing that i feel like. I dunno a forty niner fans. Understand like we are at a major fork in the road. A one side of the fork is what we've seen inconsistent play at quarterback turnovers injuries. We know how that movie ends but the other side of the four michelle the other side of work is you know donovan. Mcnabb what the eagles going to four straight and championship games. Look at the landscape of the nfc right now. How many good young quarterbacks are in the nfc like to that the way to be like you don't wanna be in the afc right now you want to be in the nfc. There's not it's really the nfc west. That's the scariest. So it kind of stinks that you're in there but with seven teams making the playoffs now. Like you don't have to have that strong of a record to get in. So if the rookie quarterback takes a second to get going like you just have to probably win eight or nine games next year Probably nine to get into the playoffs with the seventeen games and then once at quarterback it's more and more experience hopefully by the end of the season. That's when they start hitting and we've seen rookie. Quarterbacks have success in the past. It's not like it's never been done. We've seen wilson succeed immediately. We seen big ben so it's not all of the time but we see it happen. Patrick mahomes in his first year goes deep into the playoffs. It can happen mark. Sanchez went to afc championship games. Two straight years is i two years an elite mark sanchez. For god's sakes don't wanna believe me but it can happen but in terms of the. Nfc there are. There are no really good young quarterbacks tack and if you wanna throw cuyler murray in there okay but stafford older wilson older. Brady's ancient the saints. Who knows what. They're doing at quarterback sam darnold and carolina. Yippie not worried at all. Kirk cousins is on the wrong side of thirty like there is no you run the nfc for a decade as long as you don't pick the bus that number three one hundred percent you're not worried about handy dolan at all like he can talk. He's gonna kill. You can't trust those gingers though. You never know what no i do. Not worry about antidote. Even aaron rodgers. Or you're getting closer to the end of having to deal with him in your conference. But he could could see him being that. Tom brady type that just like never quit. And you're like please stop terrorizing me. I'm so happy to have brady out of the fcc. Rogers is going to host jeopardy. So he's gonna go retire. That's my hope. Although i have to say the forty niners in the playoffs have had success against aaron rodgers. So maybe he's not the biggest obstacle for them. I don't know. But i just like that's where we are. We are at the precipice at this crossroads with this team. And like i please please go the right way because i can't take more because if it doesn't work michelle where the forty niners headed. They're headed for a new coach. They're headed for a new gm and they're headed for new quarterback and they don't have first round picks the next two years like it is a dark road if they screw this thing. Erode is the jets right now. They moved up for sam darnold and he did not work out and they took him over josh allen and lamar i know. Lamar jackson went a little bit later. So all teams passed on him but they did take him over josh allen. And that's kind of what you're looking at right now. You choose the wrong quarterback and a good class and you're looking to be the jets in a couple of years where you have a new coach. You're trying to get another quarterback and you're just the worst team then fell one more thing. I wanted to mention because you said earlier and i forgot to circle back to it. We were talking about the schedule release. And that's one of the reasons. Why i'm so excited is because the order of these games matters and it matters a lot and you said it. The forty niners have some of their easier games early the game against cincinnati for example. Obviously i mean boroughs not bad but that's one of the easier games on their schedule if they have a couple lighter opponents early. Give the rookie a chance to get his feet. Wet get acclimated to the speed of the game. Learn the offense a little more that is going to be a huge factor in terms of how the team does. Because you know by the time you get to the end of the season. You're not exactly a rookie anymore. You've got experience especially with the extra game. So the order of the games for the forty niners is gonna have a lot to say about how their season turns out us. Oh one hundred percent. You want those that texans game you taxes. The ended the game the cincy game earlier on in the year And then like if they start off with a lot of divisional games especially like if their first couple games against the rams like that would worry me With such a young quarterback he can make what do you think they keep jimmy garoppolo. Though for the beginning of the season you think there are a hundred percent getting rid of him right percent. I think there's no chance. Jimmy is there to start the year. They you don't trade up to number three to have this guy sit on the bench. That's not an ideal plan. And you can't have jimmy as your backup quarterback because he gets hurt too often. Then you don't want to go into a season like hey. We need three really good quarterbacks because we can't trust our backup that's that's not good plus the rookie does star and then struggles people are gonna be calling for garoppolo locker rooms. Want them like you have to get them out of town. Yeah you don't want the miami situation of last year where it was like you have to starting but then you don't know if he can win you a game so then you put in fitzpatrick and then he went to a game and then half the locker room wants you to stick with. Its patrick even more than that. And then it just makes us awkward kind of leadership thing with a rookie. Like you need to get the veteran quarterback. That's been starting team out of there. If you want the quarterback the have that leadership and confidence right away. And i don't like the idea of sort of having an escape hatch to like in order to fully commit to the rookie. You gotta sorta have no safety net right like i don't want jimmy garoppolo there because you need to find a way to make it work with this guy and so he's there's only way to do that is to have them in there and play. It's going to take his lumps like that. Everybody does but you have to get through that. If you're going to get to where you wanna go. So jimmy cannot be there plus. I think you can get something for him. I don't know what what the compensation would be. Maybe it's only third round pick. But i'd be happy with that. Yeah i think third round is you. Don't have ron right. Now you have the late third from a compaq but you're missing your third round. Pick so that would be. I think that's fair. Maybe a late second early third. I think that's compensation for him and if you don't plan on having him anyways like get him out of town get something for him before he's worthless and who knows if he play if he were to play again and then get hurt then. You can't move it so there's just hand many reasons to get rid of him then. I don't think he's going to be on the team. And i think like chicago is still an interesting team. There were rumors of the broncos being interested in garoppolo. I think the broncos are going to make some sort of quarterback move whether it's them trading up with the falcons at four and trying to make a move there. I think they're going to do something. And maybe that is what the forty niners are waiting for right. Let's say denver tries to move up to four but they can't another team jumps them or whatever that may be garoppolo is their backup plan. And that's sort of what the forty niners are waiting to see. You might be trading him in the draft. Wait till the second day. See who didn't get their quarterback that i stay and then when you see jimmy. Garoppolo gets traded first second third round pick. I think that's kind of the way to go for them. Make a team to that desperate point like oh my goodness. We didn't get our guy. What are we gonna do next year and go get that second. Pick arthur c. All they need they just need to listen to us. We do not hard hundred percent. Gm and just win super bowl after superbowl. It's easy right. I mean look. I've seen i know some of the gm's and some of the head coaches that have one super. I'm barry switzer one a damn super bowl. That guy couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag. You just need a good quarterback and you could win. And i looked draft justin field so i would win. You go see covers up a lot of stuff by the way how much fun if the niners take fields. How much fun is that game against. The jaguars going to be because it could be trevor lawrence justin fields. 'cause i think fields has a huge chip on his shoulder. Because i look at him. And say if i'm just in fields. I was the number two player coming out of high school in the country. Who is ii behind trevor lawrence play trevor lawrence in the college football playoff. And he beats you you come back the next year and you play them again and what happens in that game. He gets crushed in the ribs. He's broken ribs but he plays out of his mind and outplays trevor lawrence and yet they get to the nfl draft. And who's gonna get picked. I trevor lawrence. Like i think justin fields has a huge chip on his shoulder. And i would love to see that quarterback matchup. 'cause i think he's going to go nuts. I think they would have to put that game in prime time and i would love it to be like the third week on the thursday night. Primetime game give them two weeks to get a couple of games under their belt thursday night. Primetime game. I love them that you sold me like that's it we're running. We're running a football team. We're making super bowl now. Running television networks and i would love that because yeah i think it's you know. It's good for the league to promote like an early rivalry with some young quarterbacks like it has to be fields it has to be field. We only have what thirteen more days. We'll know will now our answer. Do you think it's starting to change the you think. Now because i'm seeing some reporters like kind of backtracking and saying well maybe it's field. Benjamin albright said all. The buzz he was hearing now is that it's field. Do you think it's starting to change or do you think most guys are saying it's still mac. I don't know the betting are very interesting to me that they've now gone to justin fields. He's minus one twenty five mac jones's plus one twenty still very very close but just a week ago fields had waited for nazi was like plus five hundred or something like that. So that's interests me. I just don't know if it's just the second pro day. That has the buzz going and seeing them together like that. Changing it like that shouldn't have changed couch. Shanahan's mind whatsoever i. i'm still getting closer and closer to saying it could be fields like thirty percent. Thirty percent field. Seventy percent mac. So you would put your money on mac right now and would but i don't want to because i want it to be field so i don't wanna lose money but if i had to bet it would be joensuu. I hate it. I actually saw. Justin fields is like plus sixteen hundred to be the second overall pick and i just thought that was such an interesting number like it's not out of the realm of possibility that the jets take justin fields number two and for for you know sixteen hundred bucks if i throw it on one hundred like i kind of was thinking about doing that. I know but it seems like everyone has just sharpie. Zack wilson like there's no question about it it's going to be zach wilson. And they have no reason to hide. But they're going to do like at all Weds trevor lawrence one hundred percent the first overall pick. I suppose you're right all right you save me one hundred bucks. Thank you very well now. No no no no because if it is just in fields and you lost sixteen thousand dollars i cannot be the one that has that guilt. So still do it if you want you. Because maybe you'd be hearing from me for sure. I don't want that i don't want that on me. All right That's gonna do it for this edition of the show again. We remind you please rate review and subscribe to the niners nation. Podcast now work as you heard. We do read the comments contrary to conventional internet wisdom. We appreciate you. Please keep a common count down the days to the draft and just a reminder by the way we are going to be alive on draft night are going to do a live draft. show michelle. Unfortunately you have you know this whole other job with the nfl network. So you're going to be a little busy. But you and i will get the first crack at it on friday when we do our regular show. So you're still going to have a pretty early crack at the draft reaction. I'll i am so excited for that show. Just two more weeks away we will be together having. Here's or sad tears. Hopefully they're happy. They're going to be happy. Enjoy it everybody and we'll talk to you next week i everyone.

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Fading WFT?

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Especially if you're listening to us on apple podcasts or spotify if you haven't had a chance to rate and review as if you do that and if you could subscribe that helps as well so Before we get to our guest I did want to mention that chris. Samuels who chris samuels. Curtis samuel not chris. Samuels the former left tackle. Curtis samuel the big prized free agent signing a offensive signing in the off season with finally pulled off the kovic list yesterday but he made his way to the pup list with the groin injury. I would not be concerned at this point. We have plenty of time between now in the opener. And i don't really care if he plays a preseason game I do care that he is in full fledged practice mode by the time we get to. You know eight days. Nine days out before the charger game. But i did want to mention this as it relates to curtis samuel the fact that he was on the cove in nineteen list for that long i think you can conclude that he had cove it. I think that's a pretty fair assumption and conclusion to come to. If he was in close contact he would have been off that cove in nineteen list earlier. He spent nine days on it now. He's back on the pup list with the lingering groin injury. Yeah all those things are a bit a bit concerning but again we've got thirty three days before the opener so plenty of time for him to get health up Prior to the opener By the way yesterday nikki giovanni la in the washington post has been doing a pretty good job on the vaccination rates for not just this team but the nfl as a whole Washington through nine. Am yesterday had eighty six percent of their current roster ninety man roster that it had at least one shot Fifty nine point. Three percent of the team was fully vaccinated. That number is much higher than it was a month ago however it still ranks twenty eighth among thirty two teams in the nfl so they still have a long way to go. And what you don't know at this point is you don't know whether or not the vaccinated players are all players that are on the back. Half you know the fifty four through ninety spots on the roster if all of those players are vaccinated while you're percentage is gonna come down and actually today after a very light practice the final one before they take on the patriots in the preseason opener on thursday night montas sweat met with the media and montana's what if you recall from about a month maybe a month and a half ago now it's probably closer to a month ago said about the vaccine after they had a world leading immunologist in to speak to the team. He said. well. I haven't gotten covy yet. I'll get the vaccine if i get covert. He obviously sort of missed out on what a vaccine is well today. He was asked about it in his first media appearance since that last one And he did say that the team talks about the cova vaccine all the time and he said quote. It's a personal decision with me in my family closed quote He wore a mask up to the podium Which might be an indication that he is still on vaccinated by the way ron rivera and talking about the preseason opener against the patriots said that you know the starters are going to play. He mentioned that the other day he said really this is going to be about evaluating the talent. And he's really looking for consistency. He also said something. That was pretty interesting yesterday. Talking about the preseason And you know. He mentioned actually that he doesn't like the preseason his quote was i hate it Which we all do You know ron We feel i'm with you and for you on this front. But he did say something that i thought was so interesting. He said that one of the things you you are able to discern from a preseason game that you can't in practice at this point in the season is the guy that plays a different way when he's in full uniform and the games on tv and they're playing against another opponent even if it's a preseason game versus the way he plays in practice and he gave a couple of examples but this was the best one he said if a guy a defensive back in practice is consistently jumping routes and making plays. He can do that in practice. Because there aren't any consequences when you get to a game you watch that same player. That was super aggressive. Super carefree super confident in practice as he played the same way or does he fear the consequence of getting beat deep sudas as he played differently And he said there's a lot to be learned from those situations when you're evaluating players and i think anybody that's ever participated at any level in sports. You know certainly as you got older. You know what he's talking about. You know if you played on a high school team you know a high school football team rice school basketball team or a high school. You know Baseball team here. You know that you handle practice differently. You are more carefree. You are more willing to take risks more times than not then when the game started. It's like okay. If i overplay this and i try to make a steal off the ball i get beat back door badly for a layup and you just play differently or you a lot of people do. I think it's those guys that have that swagger and practice that then bring it to the games where the coaches say. Yeah that guy you know. He's a gamer. I always think about john belk whenever we have these conversations about practice and games. I don't think about alan iverson. I think about john belk because there was this narrative in twenty eleven that john beck was in a legitimate competition to be the starting quarterback with. Rex grossman mike. Told me a few years after the fact that rex grossman was the guy they. He was their starter. But kyle really liked back when kyle was in houston and beck practiced it exceptionally well. I mean he really looked good in practice. But as i always referred to john back he was a tremendous layup. Line guy he la great great gone through the layup lines and then when the game started he was not the same person and mike pretty much conceded that point. Ironically john belk is become sort of a quarterback guru. He coached up in trained. A lot of quarterbacks That were drafted or that. We're entering the draft this year and he's considered a bit of a of a qb guru You know In his post career Profession But you know that sort of goes hand in hand with sometimes. The best weren't the best players anyway There is a preseason game. On thursday night it's at new england. Washington's a two point favorite over new england in this game. I do not recommend betting preseason football. We had that conversation before. It's a football game. it's preseason it's our first chance to see ryan fitzpatrick specifically. It's our first chance to see. Jane davis i think always preseason games in that first preseason game first of all. It's we get to watch football. Secondly it's who are the new players and we get to see what they look like in a washington uniform and how they play. Well you know really it's ryan fitzpatrick because there's not going to be any curtis samuel in this game it's ryan fitzpatrick and probably and davis. Maybe to a lesser extent william jackson. But i think those are the players. You wanna see the new players. And i've got one request and i think i mentioned this tommy yesterday on the podcast one request to actually the the hope is nobody gets injured. The second request is. I just wanna see them. Throw the football all over the park. I wanna see ryan fitzpatrick attempt sixty passes in three preseason games i want twenty passes per game. I don't care about a running game. They're not gain planning for the opponent. I wanna see. He and his new receivers get into a rhythm against another opponent not their own team. I've mentioned this many times in the past. There are examples of some of the best quarterbacks in the game and are examples of some of the best quarterbacks in the game not throwing a lot in preseason but russell wilson and aaron rodgers and tom brady of had games in the preseason including the final preseason game where they've thrown twenty to twenty five passes in a half. Jay gruden really didn't believe in doing much in these preseason games and they typically didn't start very well i don't know if the two are linked or not many of you do but i would like to see new quarterback with new receivers throw the ball a lot against an opposing defense. That would be my one Request the depth chart. The initial depth chart came out I'll get to that in our guest erik. Eger from pro. 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Look i i'm not gonna make fun of the people that do the depth chart some not talking about the teams. I'm talking about the people who you know. Update their fifty three man roster projection dock us to give me a hard time. He used to say when you're fifty three man roster coming out and i said i don't do that i think i did it for maybe like two or three years But then i realized it's just not for me anyway I don't wanna completely sort of you know. Be condescending or diminish you know the results of it washington put it out. Look somebody pays attention to this thing. I don't know if it's old joe in the mail room that puts it together but somebody puts together has a general idea of what the depth chart actually is. You know it's not like teams are sitting there going. Oh let's put together a depth chart. That's really misleading. So the patriots. On thursday night plan for david sharp at right tackle instead of sam cosmi. They don't care about that. At this point they're supposed to put out honest effort depth charts before the first preseason game and you know for me. I a lot can change obviously between now in the opener but they're instructive especially in those areas. Where you think there's a lot of competition in you know it also sort of matches up with what a lot of the beat you guys have been seeing at practice. So the two areas that were You know for me interesting to at least look at. I wanted to look at wide receiver. And i wanted to look at offensive line. I wanted to see you know what what they had lined up starter. Because i'm surprised that eric flowers isn't the starting left guard i thought when they acquired eric flowers they acquired him to be the starting left guard. West schweitzer was the starting left guard last year. And he's number one in the depth chart and he has been the guy. That's gotten the most reps with the first team. So eric flowers looks like a depth guy. He's number two behind schweitzer on the depth chart. They've got leno at left tackle. They've got obviously rue des center in sheriff at right guard and i was interested to see who you know. The number one right tackle. Was it sam cosmi at wide receiver. I wanted to see what they had. Well they have what you would expect. Even though one of these guys is available right now but terry maclaurin of course Curtis samuel who hasn't practiced yet and adam humphreys were the top three receivers and then behind them. Diani brown behind terry at the x. And then you had. Cam simms behind curtis samuels and steven sims junior behind adam humphreys so that would give you an idea it at least as far as you can believe this that those are the six guys right now. The sims juniors. Battling it out with the andre carter to be punt returner and whoever wins that punt returner job. I think he's going to be the sixth receiver. I guess they could keep seven but more likely than not six which means a guy like antonio gandhi golden guide at a lot of people loved last. Summer is in more likely than not trouble. Isaiah right kelvin. Hormann from nc state coming off. His injury appears to be in trouble. He's the fourth receiver On one of the receiver spots So anyway Yeah that's it You know jamie davis is pencilled and is the starting middle linebacker. The more i've talked to various people. Think we're gonna see a lot of different defensive alignments you know their basis for three but therein nikola lot. They play a buffalo nikola which at times can be a linebacker a lot of times. They have just two linebackers on the field and none of them. Were playing that middle linebacker spot and you're going to see a lot of in year two with a full off season. A lot of creativity defensively this year especially given. They've got a lot of players that they feel comfortable. Putting on the field. With by the way is ron rivera. You know Always talks about sort of positional flexibility. That's important for him. you know. That's why a guy like cornelius. Lucas is valuable to them. Maybe guy like city charles as well a guy that complain multiple positions. They want that positional flexibility. They wanna be able to you. Know endure injuries. in a in a way in which it allows them To plug and play with is they're used to playing various spots and are capable of playing those spots by the way on that depth chart Danny johnson was the number one kick returner. And even though stevenson's junior was ahead of the andre carter at wide receiver. Carter was ahead of sims junior as the punt returner. So they're a taylor heineke for those. That were interested did Come up yesterday and practice hobbling a little bit but rivera said he would be okay. 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We've had a lot of the guys from af on the podcast and the radio show And i haven't told you why. Eric is on the podcast today. But he did come on the radio show a couple of weeks ago and we had a lengthy conversation about washington and the nfc east and a lot of other nfl related topics. But the reason i asked eric on today is because he and his partner podcast partner got into a debate about washington And eric i'll let you sort of present what you said and the case that you made for it But you're not all that bullish on washington in twenty twenty one are you For me it's always about the price rise so early in the off season i think everybody their initial inclination was that dallas if he could again and and so people were offering washington win the division at like four to one. I took that. I actually think that's a that. Oh you did. You played washington plus four hundred to win the division. Okay yes there are currently because i have washington in about twenty nine percent the division and Because of all the things reasons they wanna last year they have really good talent that defense. I think they have a pretty good coach. They obviously improved the position. The now the market have washington at plus thirty vision depending upon where you book and that to me is too high. So that's kind of the the the the premise that i have is that like look. There are things that bound the washington football team. The media falls in love with. They love defense. They love a running game. Tony gibson. they love terry mccord and all those things make sensitive accu but you know they have and a half window to last year went until five betty market. And when i look back and say okay. Is this really a seven email. That i only need to win. Basically one more game because you know they got the seventeenth game to win one more game. And i look back and i think what what was the composition of the wash football season last year. Seven wins two of them. Were against dallas as backup quarterback. Two of them were against the eagles. One where carson wentz starting his meltdown. The second one was kind of wind. Aided by doug peterson at the end. Let's be honest. Then you have a win against your you started. You have year two losses daniel jones. Do you have a win against nick. Mullins in arizona. Where you need to defensive touchdown to win a one score game. I believe You know and you had to win against cincinnati where you know the bengals had the lead in a l. And i looked. I'm thinking not only did washington not beat a quarterback better than ben rothlisberger last year. But they didn't actually play that any good ones right. They played You know they basically played. Russell wilson And you know. And and that was so i would back and i think okay so this season is that same things is. Is that same thing true. And you look like absolutely not weak one. They get justin her week three. They get josh allen. Four they get that ryan whose i thinking of crazier with arthur smith as the coach. Then you have you know. Kansas city green bay then a week later to tampa bay. Is tom brady. Russell's to two weeks after that and then you have a short rest. You had a fly vegas to play your car seasons in a row and then you and then in the last five weeks you have dak prescott wife and so when i look at this i i'm thinking to myself sure. They could have a good defense but good defenses in the nfl. The best you can kind of ask for them to do is to keep great quarterbacks at bay right in the in the playoffs last year they held you know the story was heineke but really what happened is they. They gave up thirty one points in tampa bay. And you know they give up thirty one points tampa bay and they give up thirty one points to. Let's say green bay. And and and i can't see my question than turns around to the quarterback position and i will all agree that ryan fitzpatrick is a lot better than alex. A lot. better. And kyle better dwayne half but it's enough to cover the differential in the schedule that they're gonna have this year. Wow so first of all anybody. That's listening to eric. Speak knows that know. I've gone through many times over the last. You know going back to january really when we knew who the the opponents would be What the difference with this year would be your. You nailed it. I mean they have seven wins against you know essentially de nucci dalton mullins whence and they caught pittsburgh. Let's be honest at the beginning of their downfall had played baltimore on the wednesday. Prior because of all the kovic rescheduling they barely beat robert griffin. The third you know in a wednesday afternoon game So there is an and you nailed it on the playoff game too. It wasn't just thirty one points. They gave up five hundred seven yards and had the ball ram down their throat. And chris godwin dropped five balls so it may have been six hundred yards and forty points Had godwin not drop the number of passes. He dropped That games been by our fan base. Totally outsized. In terms of how close a washington was taylor. Heineke did play a really good game in that playoff game. The defense was atrocious and their best player Eric on defense chase young came up the smallest. He was dominated in that game and wasn't double the lot eater. Another sort of misconception. That are fans have about young's game against the patriots against patriots against the buccaneers In the post season. So but i i. I want to go through a couple of things here that you said you're spot on about that and i'm with you i actually don't think That eight and a half. I don't think eight and a half as a terrible number But i think there's a contrarian me when it comes to when it comes to handicapping and betting just to begin within every you know. Nfl pundit locally and nationally is all over washington like they've picked them is this darling they're gonna compete with tampa bay. We've heard that multiple times. Th you know obviously the true odds don't reflect that you know the the guys that you know more than than ron. Jor ski knows you know they have them at eight and a half and have nine teams with better over under totals in the nfc. Now you said you play them at plus four hundred But you wouldn't play him. At plus two thirty i'm curious as to which. Nfc steam now has better odds because of washington's improved odds that you would play to hedge against your washington bet. Yeah i mean that's the thing like when you you come up with this you know you sort of have them under eight and a half. I have them But i had them at better numbers and as the the team that has the most federal price right. Now is the new york giants and i and i'm glad that you're on. I'm glad you're on board with me. As far as the narratives are concerned. Because i have a question if the eagles don't lay down in the fourth quarter against washington in week seventeen sunday football and the giants get in the playoffs at six and ten as the nfc east champion. What is how you can see teams differently right now. I've done this many times. It's a totally different perspective. You're a one hundred percent right now. Let me just say this. I am not a believer that if jalen hurts stays in the game that's like a guarantee that phillies going to win the game. Washington was really even with hurts in the game. The better team that night now sud fell didn't give them a better chance to win. The game hurts. Gave him a better chance to win. But i still think washington may have won that game in one division. I think the bigger issue you know in terms of last year in the nfc east is. It's a no brainer. That if saquon barkley played last year the giants would have won the division. If dak prescott had been healthy dallas would've won the division going away even with that defense in washington lost to the giants twice last year and they beat the cowboys with dalton and deneuve cheer doodo or whatever the dude's name from james madison was so i do. I agree with you. I think that there would be a much different narrative had they not made the playoffs at seven and nine. Let's just say they went. Seven and nine dallas went nine and seven with prescott And they went to the post season. I think there'd be a completely different perspective now. The defense people were on the defense even before last year began And by the way. I'll take it a step further as far as the playoff game. Even though the truth is the defense got absolutely torched the strength of the team there. Is this perception in this takeaway eric. That washington played the eventual champions. Really tough and it was a competitive game. it was. They didn't get blown out at home to to to brady And the buccaneers but Yeah i agree with you. I think it would i think people would have. I don't right now. I think the giants would be the second pick in the division even by odds makers because i like the giant roster to. I think that they are very capable this year. Yeah there's an. There's an dull ding that good things about washington. I think the defensive line is amazing. I really liked it. William jackson acquisition cameron crowe was awesome last year. I think look at the offense. I'm taking nothing away from terry mclaren. Nothing away from it to get the net and frankly nothing away from ryan fitzpatrick. We've had three s really. Did you go as backup quarterback. The question is is like that's like they're in sort of jv. And the question is kennedy varsity team with with that like kennedy step up in sort of in sort of class and you look at the giants like patrick rams defensive coordinator jibril peppers at an awesome. Your daydream mckinney's in the second year. James bradbury was an amazing and signing for the last year has was like martinez you know. They have leonard williams in the front like defend not is as good as washington. Certainly the same equivalence class and then the operas inside the ball like every single year. The nfl almost without fail. There's a team that has a good defense. Somebody schedule andy. Rookie contract quarterback who plays not great since well enough for everybody to question whether or not he's like blake bortles twenty seven years mitch. Trubisky eighteen year. And i while. I don't know i'm not gonna say like the giants have a better than fifty percents doing that. Better than twenty five percent chance doing that and at the current market prices. That's you know it's interesting as you mentioned those two guys because they're great examples. I mean that bortles team was within a whisker of going to the super bowl in that game in foxboro. I mean they had a legitimate chance to win that game with that defense. Which ironically the week before they gave like forty two points and i think some of it was turnover. Aided against the steelers. But i actually view daniel jones's upside and maybe this is easy to do in hindsight but i think he's better than trubisky and a lot better than bortles. What do you think. Uh i mean certainly i think the narratives on him are skewed right. So as a rookie. Daniel jones have like a lot of touchdown passes. This is like i think one of the cool things about yet past is that we can sort of conceptualize 'cause after after your one when he has you know third three thousand yards twenty four touchdowns. Everybody's like you know. Oh dale jones is great. You guys are haters blah blah blah. Last the six point six yard pass by the way last and he throws eleven touchdowns ten picks a little under three thousand yards. And everybody thinks he's you terrible same exact yards per attempt so like there's so much noise associated with this where i think if you were selling the giants last year because daniel gels. You're probably right. And if you buy the giants this year because of daniel you're probably right and that's because i joked because this is because the offseason is too long but like the narratives on these guys just awfully so wildly you can almost pick up as you said all the all the praise on washington right now almost none on the giants especially given the head coach and some of the shenanigans. He's up to like this. Might be just the right about a time. To buy into jones and the giants. Yeah you know. I thought that at the end of the year after colt mccoy was playing when he was hurt and he came back in. I thought he did a much better job at looked like he was maturing in terms of protecting the ball and they played some good defensive teams. I look. I'm not sold on daniel jones by any stretch of the imagination but i'm also not off them completely by so like so many others are i think he's got some gamer in them. And i think we saw that you know in a few games whether it was that tampa bay game where they got robbed on the two point Or the the you know they played. They played a game early in the year against the bears and he drove him all the way down there. He did throw a pick at the end. Just don't know there's something about him. That that. If i were a giant fan i'd be not even close to the bailing point on him yet not even close to that point yet I was just curious because you know the schedule thing is an interesting game to play the nfl. you know. i mean it's week to week is much as it is year to year And playing the schedule game is so dangerous and over the years. I've always said it's such a worthless game to play because you don't know what these teams are going to be like when you get there. And how many times do you line up that schedules a fan of a team and you say well. That's a win. that's a win. And that's a loss and that's a definite lawson. It ends up being the exact opposite. I'm curious at pf. Have you ever done any sort of analysis on sort of strength of schedule prior to year and what it ended up being in whether or not that is you know sort of a coin. Flip thing on evaluating schedule before season begins. Well there's if you use previous years wins and losses out of the preseason. Betting market does a really good job of predicting wins year to year. And that we. We've shown that that has some predictive power. It's still random. And when i talk about. Who's playing whom. I almost always go to the quarterback position because for by and large the quarterbacks. Don't get injured very much quarterbacks to the most important player on the team and they inputs the games and so that's sort of how i chosen to view it as more like okay. What is the strength of the opposing quarterback. You're right it's just like you know if you have san francisco on your schedule this year last year the six and ten. And that's gonna look good on your strength of schedule whereas the market house forty niners third best team in the nfl right now and That that certainly something you want to be better. Yeah i agree with that. It's it's more about sort of the projected you know teams in terms of what their performance in the upcoming year is in san francisco's up a perfect example Using that Yeah it's god. I had something off of that. That i was going to ask you and i just i just forgot I'm sure i'll pull it back here. A momentarily but back to washington you did say they're the biggest fade in the nfl on their eight and a half over under total Who's close. i mean. You've already explained why you think they're fade but you said they're the biggest fade that you in for those that don't understand that it's it's the biggest short. He's not buying long on washington. He's shorting washington you said they're the biggest fade in the league. Who's close to him on on on win totals. Yeah i mean there are other teams. Have not that high on it that this season with all the covert stuff. I am like under on a lot of team I didn't do orleans at nine wins. That's a really high mark for them. They do have a holiday coach. Which i think helps miami new england or at night and a half. I probably think about under those two teams as well pittsburgh. Interestingly also at eight and a half window team but the market is shading pittsburgh under eight and a half versus over a map when it comes to washington so those teams but you know for washington again. It's more that to your point where you said. The media's falling in love with this team and i think we're all gonna come up for air and be like how this happen. It's like well. It's pretty easy to see how this could happen. And here's why. And i just wanted to sort of get out in front of that because again like i don't want the fail league's better than wash good But but there. There are markers here where i'm kind of like we moving a little too fast. You're and if you're watching the football team fan. I think you'd rather win. Eleven game or three games. Then you would have an even. The quarterback is where it is. You're you're very sweet by the way to say. I think it's better off in washington wins like it's thirty years ago. I mean look. I'm born and raised washingtonian in a lifelong fan and have lived. You know in lived through the glory years when washington was you know a relevant nfl franchise. But they're not anymore even though you know if this is what you meant it is better for the league if the team in washington is good. It's also better when the nfc east you know which is really probably the biggest brand division in the sport. It's better that you know. It's got three double digit win. Teams versus what had had last year because very often you know the washington dallas the dallas philly games are the highest rated games of the year on television. So i know that's always a good thing. By the way i was just looking at one of the two or three sites that i have. I've got washington over eight and a half minus one forty five which pretty much confirms which you know what we're saying is that there is definitely a ton of people that have bought in to them. I remembered what i was going to say to you. and you. You talked about quarterbacks you know when it comes to schedule and i think it's a really important point because in the conversation about their upcoming schedule and just the litany of not good quarterbacks But great quarterbacks. I mean they have you know They've essentially got eleven games against debatably. The top eleven or twelve quarterbacks in the nfl. and beyond that. Eric it's these are dynamic offenses. Get keenan allen in week one they get they get digs in week. Three they get thomas if he's healthy to kansas city group devante atoms the tampa group. You know metcalf like the list goes on and on the dallas receivers twice you know. They're playing dynamic offenses. But i think your point about you can sort of look at the schedule based on the quarterbacks that they're going to face because while quarterbacks do get injured and they derail seasons it's less likely than other groups and so when you look at washington there could be improved team right. They could be improved team with maybe an additional win courtesy of the seventeenth game to get him at eight and still not end up in the postseason or still from a perception wise. Look like they fell short of wall set right they could even even when you were game so the better fundamentally you could come out of the season feeling better about the team and they could be six and eleven like you know in a way. I don't think people would be happy with that but you could look at it and say wow. That's actually a better team. They just you know lost. A bunch of close games tip tom. Brady's well you know whereas last season they want some close games against the The You you gave me the list of teams that are comparable to washington in your own mind in terms of you know who you'd short you'd fade. Who do you like. who are you going long on. Based on a on a favourable. Total number i. I liked the jets this year. I think people. I i liked that wilson. I liked the fact. That number six wins. You get a little bit of a plus price. They're going over that Salon de is a really impressive. Guys coach he also is Taking over for a guy who i think is about as bad as you get that spots so to be i like that. I like the jets. Becau- partially i you look at that division. Miami is a team last year. That was first and turnovers force like twenty fifth or something and yards per play allowed on. Everybody talks about the defense. Like it's great. I think it's more of a noisy defense than anything To is a big question mark. They're doing his question. Marks a quarterback but also stefan gilmore still practice it all for them and then buffalo. I think it's probably the classes that division but there are principalities they're associated with kovin. I think I think the jets are team. That will seek up on people this year and will wonder why come comes to sever why they're playing compelling football games but i think that the the pieces are in place them you said earlier that you sort of like the giants. Do you like that number seven and a half you. You clearly do right now. Is that an overplay for you. I i would play over that I'm not as strong. That taking more of a long shot though the division like i i think there's a universe where they they actually. They're more competitive for the division. They're competitive for that over. Yeah you know. It's interesting in thinking about the nfc east last year and talking about quarterbacks in the importance i mean the nfc east was devastated quarterback. Wise dallas played four quarterbacks last year washington played four. Quarterbacks philadelphia played three quarterbacks. The giants played two quarterbacks. If you have relative normal health in the it should be improved you agree. I think so for and i mean it's hard not run. Yeah the only one that i think is a little bit. League is jalen hurts. I don't think jalen hurts was a breath of fresh air relatives carson wentz and that made us overlook the fact that he's still wasn't all that great last year and Edit came up he was dreadful before he got. Today's hud fell for that we accept. Yeah eric eager is our guest from pro football focus. One morning it'll be back on washington you also in your Conversation on your podcast You got after ryan fitzpatrick a little bit now. You know netting it out. They've got a better quarterback situation this year than they did last year. But again like the nfc's that's not saying much. But what is yours and piaf's expectation of ryan fitzpatrick this year. I think you're going to see a little bit of aggression. Like i said i think he rates especially relative to career averages the last two or three seasons. But it's still overcome the fact that like in tampa bay he was benched for ineffective play in miami nineteen. He was bench for ineffective play. Last year he wasn't venture ineffective play. He was benched for other reasons. Like we're not talking about a middle of the pack starting quarterback in the nfl. I think i think we're looking at a guy who can compete with the best quarterbacks on any given sunday but also has the flame ability that You know you kind of want if you're washington because again you don't want to have a five hundred and you want to put yourself in position to draft a quarterback if you're not going to be in the playoffs but i just wonder about consistency with him. He's always the guy that turns the ball over a lot He's always guy who takes chances. And and i think our bias with him is that he's so likable that we that we that we immediately think positive things about him but there are aspects of his. Play the position that long term i wouldn't buy into. I lied. I've got one more for you because every single time i have one of you guys on especially in the off season give me you know something that you guys are studying or doing some sort of an analysis on if there's nothing right now you can think of. That's fine but there's usually something that you guys are working on you. Know how offenses or defenses match up against certain looks or whatever. What's what sort of a thing that you guys are talking a lot about right now. With the season you know still a month away. Why the one thing that i like and it's it's a it's something where you're looking at. You know sort of teams you know. It's like baseball right where there are certain types of baseball teams. That can win one hundred games but they do it with a bunch of twos and three starters and then you get to the playoffs and you can't win because you don't have a number one starting the yankees do and like i think it's football. There are teams like green bay. That can win twelve thirteen games. Just going rogers to adams rogers ad but when it comes to winning in the playoffs is so important and so when i look at it team like kansas city. Why did they lose the super bowl. Part of the reason they lost the super bowl was because they couldn't protect their quarterback and as adept issue. But the other reason was is tampa bay. Seven draft picks in the secondary the last three years in the first two days in the draft and if dropped six and coverage and you can double team to great receivers. You need that third guy to step up and the cheese last the cheese the nineteen when they beat the forty niners. Sammy watkins at one hundred yards a game in the playoffs last year. We found last year mccoll heartless order found. If you're looking for places for teams you're looking for you know. Hey where the is gonna fail. Look at the second third or fourth c. Positions and ask yourself if one of these wide receiver city scenes goes down and they play in a leap. Who's going get open. Yea and while to your point. Two in the case of of tampa lose a key defender or two. Who's coming in to cover. Yes yes and. I think when you have as many when your deepest kantha was by the way it wide receiver antonio brown's and he replied the other camps the one big But in the secondary if you lose a guy or two and again that's i think you look at washington like william jackson's greatest kendall fuller's great camera girl even You know even land in college. I think is a good player in his role. How fragile is that like when you look at corners. Three four and five. Are you comfortable with those guys. Because the the injuries though the name of the game is football. And especially when you play great quarterbacks you don't get to say. Hey you only get to throw william jackson. Today you know top rate is gonna find corner number three when he's trying to be corner number two and and you know he's gonna exploit that depth fragility is humongous thing to look at your yet funny and yet i know that previous you know Pf conversations. i've had you guys. Put this tremendous emphasis on cover ability versus pass rusher whereas you know old school. Thought is you know. It's it's get after the quarterback and you can make an average corner. You know a a really good one And yet in that super bowl it was all about making mahomes uncomfortable. Yeah i think right. But i i think that the big underlying thing is if you watch the game back mahomes. When he hit his back foot was was not having guys open. Right and so compensates really does feed into pass rush into sense of if you could make a quarterback hesitate a little bit then. Having pass rushers like pierre paul Feet if a and shaq barrett really do come come into play. Whereas i as a chief's fan i remember distinctly to the two thousand eight thousand as the game. Chiefs led the league in fact that your highest great defensive line and football and brady got the ball out you point one eight seconds and they didn't touch one time and and i was because they receivers could get open. It gets patchy secondary in two and a half seconds. So it's a very symbiotic I do think somebody like chase. Youngest probably more valuable than the most valuable corner. But if i had to choose between one elite pass rusher and secretary full of decent players. I'll take the secondary full a decent player. Because i think if they can make your quarterback hold onto the ball two tenths of a second longer. I can get an average pass rusher home. Yeah and you know you're talking about you. Know lots of west coast. Lots of lots of rpo to combat dominant pass rushes as we've seen In recent years Really enjoyed the conversation again Wish you the best. Eric can be Followed on twitter at pf. Underscore eric eric with the c. He and the guys do a great job obviously covering the league And we'll talk soon. I appreciate your help me on her. Thanks to eric for coming on the show. we'll have plenty of those discussions between now and the beginning of the season not just on washington but on the rest of the league a as well all right. That's it for the day back tomorrow. The presenting sponsor of today's show is tops dot com and tops project. Seventy tops is celebrating the seventieth anniversary of its very first baseball card designed with the new program that pushes boundaries while also paying homage to their heritage founded in nineteen. Thirty eight is a chewing gum. Company tops released their first baseball card. Set in one thousand nine fifty one now. 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"We are rolling along on this monday. Hope you had a wonderful weekend and we are so grateful. You've chosen to get up with us today as always we come to. You live from the seaport district at pier. Seventeen we brought to you by chase. I am greenie. We're counting down the days to the nfl draft and today is a very important day in that process for variety of reasons. And we're going to explain. Why right now. Let's roll the menu. Got a big hour coming your way of getting up and it is today another chance for lance and we have a lake news. That could very well mean a shake at the top of the draft. That's on the way. Meanwhile trevor talks and he makes all the sense in the world. But we'll tell you why it's still isn't likely to quiet. All of his critics and then k. d. hurt again. How bad is it. We have the very latest as whoa joins. Us live in fifteen minutes. That's right here on get up on. Espn and it begins ten days from the draft and trae lands having a second pro day later today. And if you're saying i've never seen this guy play. Why does everyone love him so much. While i'm glad you asked let me show you first off. Look at him truck and people. Oh that's trait. Lance against uc davis. He's big he's strong he will lower the shoulder and take it into the scores. Second play how about the elusiveness. He is dead to rights here dead to rights. But he's got the power to shake off the tackle. And then the presence. The throw the touchdown there that was against youngstown state and then this one does against montana state again watch the throw on the run as he pulls that one. Out for seventy five yard touchdown so these are just some of the reasons why this player was only seventeen starts at a lower level and one the mall has everybody so excited and again. Today's a very big day. Matt miller our draft insider extraordinary joins the party here but graziano. I'm going to start with you. There is a piece of news connected to this. That i found fascinating that i think others will as well about a request from the forty niners that at least set off bells in my mind. Tell everybody about that so trey. Lance has a private quarterback coach named quincy avery. That he's worked with for a number of years and will continue to but another guy who does that work. is john belk the former. Nfl quarterback who played for forty niners. Coach kyle shanahan when kyle was the offensive coordinator in washington a decade ago. Couple of weeks ago. The forty niners kyle shanahan asked trae lance to go spend some time with john beck so that they could get. Beck's is on him because beck is someone whose opinion that kyle trust very much. Not that he doesn't trust quincy buddy nose back longer and obviously believes in his evaluations of quarterbacks also the forty niners gave john becca program of drills that they wanted trae land to work on for the last couple of weeks and today at this workout which the forty niners will be attending. And i'm told planning to have a hand in administering so the niners are trying to see trae. Lance can do some very very specific things for them that pertain to their offense and his potential role in it as they continue to consider him as one of three possibilities along with justin fields who also works with john beck and mack jones at that number three overall pick right so matt and then they come to you that there's no other way i can read this other than that is not the way you behave. If you've already made up your mind you were taking someone else. That is a lot of trouble to go to for a team. That already made up. Its mind is taking mack jones and is going doing the due diligence. This feels like a lot more than that to me that you've been around a long time. What does it feel like to you. Yeah it does because to me. They went to the car lot with a certain car in mind. But they're looking at a couple of others just to make sure it's not something better out. There i think when they made that trade up to number three overall they had an idea of who they life. But there's been a lot of time since then until now it's been a lot of time since trae lance's first pro day on march twelfth. That feels like it was centuries ago at this point so i do believe when the niners made that trade through twelve to three kyle. Shanahan comfortable enough with a quarterback most likely mack jones to make that trade. But now you have to go into these days with an open mind you have to go look at trae lance today and say you guys did a great job with a highlight pack quarterback who did not throw an interception in two thousand and nineteen eight touchdowns in the air twelve on the ground. He's everything you want in a modern quarterback just a limited number of starts today with an open mind to say. Maybe this is the type of quarterback we need in the shanahan off. It's okay so i agree with what you're saying in principle but i disagree with your point if you you know who's not going to this today jacksonville and the jets. Because they've made up their mind so he made up your mind. You don't have an open mind. Dominic he used the car lot example. We used a restaurant earlier. Any any analogy. You wanna make. If you've made up your mind you've made up your mind obviously dominate the forty niners. Haven't yeah i think you're right. And maybe these other teams like the jaguars and the jets should be there to. Maybe they should not have made up their mind yet. Because you don't have to. More information is not better and i gotta give. Kudos met because his analogy to car light analogy. I think it beats restaurant and now degrading. I hate the reggae you but that was a good one because i understand them to a car like i got my eye on this particular car. Then you show up and you see something. Hey i like that. Let me give it a test drive. I don't have to make this decision right now. So i like the idea of them gain as much information as possible. And i have to be honest. As impressive as trae lances highlights all our something about those highlights. Give me some pause. Because i look at the end zone and it says penguins like he's planning it's youngstown state last. Let's down a little bit. he's bombing gets. Penguins is hard for me to get too excited about that tape so that is obviously one of the is the level of competition that he has faced. But i have to take on bridge. His analogy is not better than my analogy. And let me tim hasselbeck. Oh we'll give this to you i will. I will strengthen my restaurant analogy if you have chosen to go to particular restaurant exclusively because they have a particular dish. It's the only reason you're going there in the first place then. You don't need to look at the menu. The forty niners didn't have the third pick in the draft because they were the third worst team. They traded up to get there. They chose to go to this restaurant and if they did because they have one particular dish that they have to go up there to get then. They're not asking for menu when they get there and trying to figure out if they want to change it hasselbeck. What do you think jaw and the restaurant and green. I would say this right. Maybe sometimes you just being polite because you're like no. I might consider the day special like tell me about it. Maybe i will order it. But i think they did that. Truthfully i think they did that. At alabama's pro day. That's what i think so. I think we all kind of her sitting here and we're saying well. Why are they doing this with trae lance because maybe that's the that's the entree that they were planning on order and all along. Maybe that's why it just happened to be that alabama's pro day was prior to that. So for me listen. Restaurant analogy or not. I'm never really felt like mac. Jones was the pick. I don't think he'd do what they did to go up and get back jones. I noticed wasn't where we're planning on going with it. But i don't think they did. I think they were doing it for somebody else. I think just the way the counter events has gone on. You're able to go make a big deal about mack jones because guess what you know that pro day in those days are littered with other players and information that you may draft so i. I think that's why this is personally. Which is why it makes more sense than doing everything you've done and still going to this day of mack jones. The pick to your point about what jacksonville new york jets doing magnums right. And i think. Tim's also think in reading tim tunes about trae leads another important part. We all focused on trae lance physical ability. Because it's super impressive. But trae lance was breaking down. Nfl films as a freshman in college because he wasn't getting enough time on the field. He needed something to do so. I think the mental part of the game that we all laud about mack jones. It appears to me that trae lance might have also i think he is probably the perfect fit for the forty nine right there. He has that mental aspect combined with that running ability in strong arm. It's hard to hard imagine Cows shanahan and john lynch looking at those two players and deciding to go with mac jones. So i think you're right. They decided on his entree awhile ago and they. They just listened to the special with mac joan. They're still going to go with the entree and ingredient respect. Just show molina. You're good now by the way for those that don't do trae lance. His father was a defensive back in the canadian football league so he has been around the sport forever. But let let me ask the analogy and matt miller. Because you deal with this stuff all the time. It is one thing to say all right too. I'll let me hear about the special. I'll just human. But that's not what they're doing in the kitchen they're asking the chef exactly what these are designing special for them. They're going much further ryan allergy rules dominate. What you're talking about the situation that is going on here. And i've been saying it for months miller to people like you. That guy that they went up there to get as hasselbeck said. It's the only one that makes sense. Go ahead matt. it's still make sense to us. But what ultimately matters is college shanahan. And i think you'll graziano point to this. Almost everyone he talks in the nfl still believes that mack jones won't pick. I mean it is overwhelmingly. That is the case when he talked to people connected to the league people connected to the forty niners other teams agents. And let's remember a justin fields. They also ask john to do this. And we don't believe that there's a chance they'll take justice. The diners have done this with. All the quarterbacks zak elson works with. John belk john begs make of money off of the forty niners. This offseason with that connection very happy for him. But they're asking every quarterback to do so yes. We want to read into the fact that they've asked to do this today. S justice to do it last week as well guys to that point grazziano the point earlier this morning. That with the forty niners history has been everybody kind of knows what they're doing right. Oh yeah kyle shanahan terrible liar comes to this stuff we. We've known his first pick literally each of the four years he's been there. I mean you go back to. Solomon thomas. Mcglinchey the lineman nick. Vosa was a sure thing. Even last year they traded deforest buckner for a first round pick and almost instantly. The word was the guy they like for that pick. Is japan kinlaw. That's who they took so the jones stuff is legit. I mean there's a reason it's out there and it may well be that he's the pick but my is that they haven't yet decided and i think trae lance has a chance to show them something today that really throws him into the conversation go back to december when the forty niners played the bills before and after that game which the bills won handily cowshed and raving about josh allen all his physical ability and what that allows an offense to do when you have a quarterback like that. There are some clues here. If you wanna believe it's trae lance and that is the comparable but a lot of people are using our guys. sit tight. I need hasselback for minute. Here let's do some. Qb reads as we look at some of the other quarterbacks who will go hi in this draft and we start with justin fields. What are we seeing. I think the thing with justin fields. That's unique is that at the highest level of college football. He's been outstanding. I think he has cam newton type traits and all the right ways meaning that i believe he's talented enough to be a league. Mvp he could be that good of a quarterback and so i think that's the one thing that jumps out people talk about him dropping their really talented and kind of ready prospect to go play in the nfl. The next one is magnolia. When you look at it max jones yeah ingredient. I think when you look back jones. Listen he does a lot now. I feel like i'm gonna position where i'm trashing him as a prospect. That's not the case. I think he's a very good prospect. You're talking about the first half of the first round. You're talking about a guy that quite honestly athletic deficiencies when you compare to other guys that are playing the position in today's football that are young players. That is what concerns me. And that's what surprises. Make about the forty niners moving up with him as the target. And then when you look at trump trevor lawrence. Here's the deal with him. He checks so many boxes. When you watch him you look into him. You find out that quite honestly you love everything. If he's not a ten across the board he's no worse than in aid to anything man arm strength. Accuracy decision making athleticism size leadership. Everything that he does checking a box where you come away really really impressed. And i think that's one big thing of why he's the unanimous number one. Yeah mel kiper. Who's been doing this forever. Said he is the fourth best prospect. I quarterback that he has ever scouted all right. We'll take a short break on. That thought much more as we continue our on the way. Why does one green bay legend. Aaron rodgers and the packers could be headed for a nasty divorce. You'll hear it directly from him and k. d. down with yet another injury. How bad is it. How much time getting miss. Walsh will join us. Live with insight into that and more right after this. You're watching get up on. Espn want the best of both worlds. We want a hybrid a smarter hybrid cloud approach. Ibm helps retailers. Manage supply chains with watson ai while predicting demands with ease the world is going hybrid with ibm visit ibkr dot com slash hybrid cloud. We are back on get up in the nba game or the day featured one frightening k. d. and the nets in miami katie was four for four from the floor. And then this happened. We're still early in the ball game. And that is k. d. taken the need of the contusion he would get a left fi. Contusion as you see he gets trevor rees as knee directly into the thought. He would stay in the game but not for long as seen being helped off road. Just gonna join me live in just a moment with the very latest. Let's show you how this end is a good game. Fourth quarter. Close game kyrie now. We're going the way goran. Dragic has it. Warren dodge is isn't gonna give it up taking all the way to the hole with the euro step miami times the game at one. Oh seven chris. Rock loves it. Here we go. Here's your game tied. Final seconds bam out of bio for the win knocks it down. Twenty one points. Fifteen boards five assists for bam. Take a look clearly gets it off before the buzzer. Brooklyn's on chris. Rock somehow seems to be cheering for the wrong team. Is that one goes in. It's a big win for adebayo and the heat but obviously the big story here is kevin durant and the man who always has all the stories as adrian were announce. Whoa thanks as always forgetting what can you tell us about. Durant greenie the nets. Wanna see how that thi- bruce feels today with. Kevin durant their senses. That usually hurts a little more the next day. They'll get a better sense of how long he might miss. But you know the hope is that this is a day to day injury but they wanted to really just see how it felt today when durant came back in for treatment and they've aired on the side of caution with him all year and understandably so when you consider what he's coming back from but what should we make of the fact that the nets big three has barely played together at all. I'm trying to wrap my mind around what that actually means. What do you think big picture. It means yes. Seven games greenie. That's the amount of games that kevin durant james harden kyrie irving had have played and it is a concern and i think listen i think if you're just matching talent in the playoffs not just in that star power but the role players they have adding a blake griffin at you know in the buyout market. Joe harris's is having an outstanding season the nets. I don't have a lot of whole certainly but the continuity that they don't have in big moments and the postseason you're going to be in a drag-out game with the philadelphia with the milwaukee with the miami and they don't have that experience together and i think that with those other teams that's their belief that they could still get brooklyn in the postseason. We'll see what happens when we get there. Meanwhile i need your reaction to this. So yesterday zion williamson of the pelicans lost in overtime to the knicks at the garden. And then afterwards i on after his first game in the nba garden said this is the mecca of basketball. I love. I love playing. I love playing here. This is atmosphere. You know whether they're cheering for you whether blown for you it's amazing Honestly i think outside of new orleans obviously I think this might be my favorite place to play outside of new orleans. I can't even loud to. I can't allowed jump sure. No one new york all over. React to that What what should what should the reaction be to young zion saying. This is his favorite place to deployed. I think it's something to watch down the road. Greenie i i think if you follow zion williamson closely He doesn't just to talk and he's pretty particular in what he says and what he says it. He's been very consistent like that even back to duke but in the nba. And so listen. He's a long way away from free agencies only in his second year in the nba. But i think with the way that the knicks have been rejuvenated success. You're seeing them have here in the short term anyway. I don't think it was completely by accident. If the beginning of that clip greenie he said. Hey i'm glad you asked that. It was clear waiting for that question so something to watch down the road and listen. I think we all know what new york if you have a competent product on the floor if that team is run well. Madison square garden in new york is a place that player should want to play. We'll see how new york's able to carry that forward to a time. Where maybe it's a more timely conversation with players like zion williamson for the records. I on did play there as a collegian. He played their duke but he did not play their last season quickly. Has that perception of exchanged with leon rose and tom. Our old buddy here used to work with us on. This show has that perception inside. The league changed quickly. It's absolutely starting to change. And you're you're seeing a team that probably plays harder than any team in the league and is not going to be an easy out in the playoffs outstanding coach. Thank you as always forgetting. We'll check in with you a little bit later. We'll see what the latest is on k. d. as the morning continues meanwhile back to the nfl here and we are ten days away from the nfl draft. So let's go on the clock with some bold football predictions dominic foxworth. I'm starting with you. Thirty seconds gimme a bold prediction. Go i think cow pits is going to be the rookie of the year for the offense. It hasn't happened since mike ditka was draft which was how many years ago. I don't know your guess is as good as mine. Greenie a long time ago but he has an opportunity to go to a great situation And atlanta with a good quarterback and a lot of other weapons so he won't get double possibly slide down to carolina where joe brady is a guy who understands how will work i mean offense or it could end up in miami across from koseki. Do too tight and set. I think no matter where he ends up. He's gonna be a pretty intense player. Who could have the potential to break some rookie of tight end and began to often. Rookie year might. It was exactly sixty years ago. Mike ditka nineteen sixty one and by the way that is also the first tight end to go into the hall of fame. A little early to put kyle pitch there but let's see okay Who's next graziano. Bold prediction thirty seconds. Let's go. I haven't washington as a team. That will trade up into the top ten to draft a quarterback. But i'm a little bit concerned because our john reports that they changed their plans and they're not going to this trae lance workout today. As of yesterday they were still expected to go on the with my bold prediction because we're being bold and because washington those they need. They need a long-term answer at the quarterback position. I don't think they're in a position to trade all the way up from nineteen to four or five. But i think if somebody they like slides toward the back of the top ten you could see them make an aggressive move to go get a quarterback. I like that. They don't have to be there today to do that. And carolina at eight continues to feel like a spot or something like that could happen. Tim hasselbeck bold prediction. Thirty seconds. go well. We heard matt miller say talking to people inside the nfl agents. We've heard schefter link mack jones to the forty niners. My prediction is that. That's not the entree that the niners who were looking for at the restaurant. That's my prediction. Is that the entree. The they've always wanted was probably trae lamps. That's how i see the my bowl predictions that it's not mack. Jones that the forty niners select but that its trade lance that they select in this upcoming draft and that was the trail. That's the. I've been with from the very beginning literally from the moment that trade was made and we will see. I'm not suggesting people have it wrong. Reporting that is out. There is reporting that is out there but when push comes to shove i believe that's the pick. They're going to make as we continue. There's another pick we know for certain is going to be made. And that's trevor lawrence. He's going to go number one and of course. He spoke over the weekend about the way he had spoken previously. And now everyone is reacting to the way he spoke over the weekend. Get need to hear it all and you will next on. 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The packers traded up to jordan love. Here's raja's former teammate. Charles woodson on errands future in green back. I think it can be one of those situations where it gets nasty at some point in the back and forth between the packers and agents. And there's smoke there's fire you remain so This could be a situation where a lot it makes a play or make some kind offer. You know for aaron rodgers and green bay. Can't refuse and say you know what we're going with the future of the team now so he says where there's smoke. There's fire tim. I thought you made a good point. There's already fire right. There's more than smoke. there is fire. I don't know why we're like we're waiting for him to get mad. He is already mad. I mean a couple of weeks ago. He's talking about how he threw a wrench into the packers plans by playing so well. I'm not sure from a player perspective. I if there can be like a little bit more. Hey like then. That i mean i. I'm looking at the situation for him where he's saying you try to replace me. You thought i was going to be older not playing well and all i did was played better than anybody else at the position this year. So i think he's already upset about it. He's telling us he's upset about it. Truthfully i think it unless they win a super bowl and he's got everything to be happy about. I think it'll be even more upset a year from now. He's exactly right dominic. We played those comments. It was from pat. Mcafee show. And i think we didn't make enough of it at the time if you really think about it. He's saying the. I threw a monkey wrench into the packers plans by playing. So well if you really stop and think about it. That is a heck of a thing for him to say. It's mind blowing to think that in his mind at least his team didn't want their quarterback to play. Well that's outrageous for him to to feel that way or sales outrageous to hear him. Say that but it doesn't seem as outrageous when you know. They drafted a quarterback in the first round. And you know their history a history that he was a part of that when they drafted him suddenly read far. Been stock or started playing pretty poorly. And then they transitioned to aaron rodgers. So you can imagine why it makes sense to him that they didn't want him to succeed. Necessarily the coach relatively new. They were kind of turning over the organization and rogers had a couple of years that we're kind of down and he felt like they were trying to move on from the comment. That always stands out to me. Aaron rodgers is the beautiful mystery. They asked him about his future in. Green bay could easily said oh. I'm just going to focus on one week at a time. Some cliche that we all have come accustomed to hit become accustomed to hearing but he said no. It's a beautiful mr. He wants to leave it open and he wants to hold his over the head of the green bay packers for as long as he needs to. So what are the clues if this is a mystery grazziano. You're my detective. Let let's talk about what we relative to his contract to all all that kind of stuff. What do we know relative to the beautiful mystery. That is his future. But one thing we know is that speaking in cliches. It's not going to get you the jeopardy gigs. So that's how we know he's not going to speak in cliches beautiful mystery. It has two parts it has mystery and it has beautiful. Seems be someone who's made his peace with this. Is the situation they drafted. They traded up to draft a quarterback in the first round last year. That means my days here. Our number. now what is the number that becomes the question. And he doesn't know that and i don't think the packers do either when they draft jordan love last year. I think in the in the backs of their minds they were thinking two years and they would transition so that means this time next year we could be looking at a significant change in the situation but that will depend on what kind of season they have how he plays. And how jordan. Love advances remember jordan. Love didn't get a lot of development time last year. Didn't play in any preseason games because there weren't any so it's possible that at this point it wasn't just that they didn't expect rogers to play. Well it was more about. They probably expected jordan love to be further along. They're taking this year to year. And i do think it's important to make the point that it has not gotten ugly. Even though there are clearly some ruffled feathers they managed to hold it all together and get along and win thirteen games and get to the nfc championship game. And they deserve credit for that. Both him and the team absolutely. Yeah it hasn't gotten ugly to the extent that it has cost them wins. But the one thing i think we all know about quarterbacks they like to be in control of the situation and this is sort rogers. Taking control in. The packers made their decisions. Now he can go about making hits. So here's a quarterback sort of near the end of his career talk about one whose career hasn't even begun in. Next week's draft clemson's trevor lawrence will be the first pick off the board of the jacksonville jaguars and and you saw. This illustrates comments. I'm assuming last week became something you were aware of. He made these comments that if i may paraphrase in its simplest form he suggested there is more to his life than football and because we live in the world we live in. He then needed to explain that so he went on twitter and explained it over the weekend by saying in part. It seems as if people are misreading my sentiment. I am internally motivated. I love football as much or more than anyone. It is a huge priority in my life. Obviously i'm driven to be the best. I can be into maximize my potential and to win. So they get mad back in here. Matt miller our draft analyst. What if any reaction from the people who actually make these draft decisions. Did you hear to the comment. That lawrence made in sports illustrated. Yeah greenie when. I read this interview my first dollars. Oh gosh the. Nfl's have a field day with this. And i think a lot of it is everyone's waiting for something to be wrong with trevor lawrence right. I mean for three years probably longer. We've known he was going to be the first pick in this draft so it's almost like people were waiting to say like where's the flaw. Where's the thing that we can point where we didn't have like the bag game where you can say. Oh well there was that one game where he threw three interceptions to throw. It wasn't that. So i think some people wanted to pounce on this trevor lawrence but it goes back to the fact that really only opinion that matters is urban meyer's and he left that cushy job in la sitting on tv like us talking about this to get back into coaching at the nfl level. Where he's never been before urban. Meyer was okay with trevor lawrence in december when he took the head coaching job at jacksonville. Jaguars he's known him for quite some time and i think we do. We overrate these things. I've heard stories over the years. Drowsy and i know you have to. I remember one area scout told me they didn't like derek carr because he was married. They thought that would be a distraction. So these things get blown away go ahead. This is unbelievable every year every year. I mean there's three months between the end of the season and the draft and sometimes it feels like three billion years and i know greeny. You need time to study so you can do a great job hosting kyle. Shanahan apparently needs some time to figure out who he wants to take at quarterback. I understand why there is this time but it leaves a lot of openings for a lot of nonsense and i think trevor lawrence to give an interview where he gave an honest answer about what kind of person he is and what matters to him and then for people do predictably jump on it in predictable ways it's the kind of thing that That annoys me about the pre-draft season to be honest. That's fair. I validate that however dominique. Let me come to you. Because the exact opposite sentiment dominic foxworth was expressed by jamal adams when he got drafted by the jet tomato adams came in and i forget the exact wording that he used the essentially. Boil down to. I would die on the field. Like i would die out there on the field and the reaction that that got was different from this but in many ways it was a lot of. Oh yeah that's the guy. I want on my team and if you think about it that's the crazy to say i would die out there. That's the crazy thing but this is the way we think of football players dominique and you were one. It only matters if you can connect it to some behavior that is detrimental. Like i don't care about football that much so i don't watch a lotta film. I don't care about other things in my life. So i show up to practice late every now and then like those are the problems. He's not doing any of that. It shows what is shows to me. This last week is that. Trevor lawrence is a quick learner. He gave us in the media and fans the opportunity to to meet the true trevor lawrence and we act like some fools and then he responded by saying okay. Now let me let me talk to these children the way that i have to talk to these children and he sent out a tweet like obviously i love football. You dummies do everything i can. But i care about other things blah blah blah blah. You want me to be a robot quarterback so it tells me that he is a smart person in a fast learner and none of this is going to be a problem for him when he gets into the nfl by the way man. He's married to. He's got this is he's married everything. Now be the problems. I've been concerned about his hair to a little too. Long to lead a franchise. Can't you can't follow that guy that sunshine look. I don't know about headline lawrence dropping the draft. We'll take a look this eye candy for major league baseball. I want you to see this play. I want you to watch marcus stroman mets rockies and take a look at this behind the background about that. These guys aren't athletes. What do you think not. That is incredible hand eye coordination but i need a little bit more on the throne need a little more drums disappointed. He's back in. The nfl did that you'd be raving about it. He's a picture of the arm strength. Where's the on onference. Got it there in time. His arm talent just fine. So is this guy coming up which quarterback prospects will boom which ones will bust. Neak has the answers. And they're on the way net watching get up on. Espn hey there. I'm julie foudy from the podcast. Laughter permitted in. We've been teamed up with ally from day one of our podcast in fact i'm a customer and that's because allah wants to help you save your money well so you can grow it well and spend well on whatever makes your little soul sing. And that's why they're committed to helping you do right by your money so get started visit. Allied dot com to learn. more red. telomere doesn't take much reduced modest doesn't take much for me to be. Also the dope is open we have and it is dominic foxworth who every week gives us his unique perspective. Dominick what do we have today so. I think that we should stop calling first round quarterbacks bus because i don't think that's what's happening. These guys are incredibly talented. I don't think it's the players that are busting as much as it's the teams that are busting the players. Because if you look at the first round quarterbacks that we've had selected and even beyond the first first round you look at these successful quarterbacks in this league right now. The vast majority of them are guys who fell into good situations. Were able to get to have time to develop good habits because they were on a good team with good receivers good defense. Good offense lineman and good coaches and allow them to turn into the players that we see now. i think. Russell wilson is a perfect example of that russell. Wilson is the first couple of years was not great. He was okay but he was in a situation allowed him to be to develop into being great. The same is true for dak prescott and even patrick mahomes situation was was grain. Lamar jackson is the best example of that you can even look at guys like carson wentz and mitchell trubisky who had good seasons here and there because the situation was perfect. So i think that it's important for us to understand going forward that we're not wrong about our valuation of these quarterbacks. Their talent is such that. That's miniscule difference between them but when we get far enough away from this a lot of those guys fail in my view when you look at the way they play they fail because they fell into a terrible situation and the people around him failed not because they weren't good enough so i think we should five years from now when we look back at this quarterback class whoever succeeds and whoever fails think it is more the fault of the organization and more credit to the organization than it is the player specifically. May i simply say preach. I couldn't agree more with what you were saying. And there are examples of it literally everywhere. Every one of these players can succeed in the nfl if wherever it is go. Tim hasselbeck whether you were ira namur of a particular prospect or not. You've made this point repeatedly getting picked in the first round of the nfl draft. You have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. You have something that you can. You can succeed in the nfl. To question of. Who's going to take advantage of those strengths and minimize the weaknesses. And who's around you. And who's the coaching and all the rest that that's what determines these things for the most part tim as a quarterback what do you think yeah i think dominate unique perspective is on the money and i think you know ninety nine percent of the time that that is the case. So whether it's look. I think back to ben rothlisberger going to pittsburgh perfect for to go to pittsburgh. And he lied. Manning ended up in. New york was kind of the perfect spot for him. I think you can see that over and over again. I think the add another name list like look. Josh rosen is a good example like that was a kind of a failed situation. Now here's where i think. He gets a little tricky. It's not one hundred percent that case like look at dwayne haskins for example. I don't think that that's on washington. I really don't and so. I do think that there are cases at the quarterback position where the player does fail. But those are the rare exception. Which i think is where dominique was headed with that go. Dan wasn't ugly situation in washington though right because the owner wanted in. The coach didn't necessarily want the coach got fired early in the season so that that does i know what you're saying tim about haskins and the issues that have come up about him but it wasn't a perfect situation. I remember doing a radio interview before the two thousand eighteen drafted. Somebody asked me. Do you think lamar jackson will be a successful. Nfl quarterback and my answer is tell me who's going to coach him and that's so important right. He he lands in baltimore where he doesn't have to play right away and john harbaugh gregg roman basically designed an offense around hint so that when he does have to play. He's ready to do it. Same draft did sam darnold organization fail him. Probably did josh. Rosen's organization fail him absolutely. The josh allens organization failed him no and baker mayfield's started to but may have saved him the right coaching hire a year ago. That five first round quarterbacks very different situation that's correct. These are organizational successes and failures. That's a really good point. That's an excellent unique perspective from nick this morning. Meanwhile let me quickly run the bases here around through some of the action. Actually this is get up and go. Let me get up and go around all of sports yesterday and it begins with bullhorn. Vat scored twice including the winner in overtime as the connects. Be toronto three two and their first game in nearly a month. They had suffered a covert nineteen outbreak. That was the worst in the sport. Twenty-one players four coaches had tested positive. They come back with the win. Meanwhile the twins have been forced to cancel a third straight game to cova concerns. Today's game against the as has been tentatively rescheduled for tomorrow as part of a doubleheader. They've had four positive tests in the past week. As far as games actually being played the clippers played in front of home fans last night for the first time in over a year and kawhi leonard put on a bit of a show returning from a four-game absence to lead them to a nineteen point. Win over the t. Wolves they've won eight of their last nine if you want hoops. Espn is the place for you tonight. We got a monday doubleheader. We got the hottest player in the sport steph. Curry is on fire. He's scored thirty or more intense straight games. He goes up against embiid. And the sixers will go out west for rudy. Gobert jazz taken on the lakers. That's tonight coverage. Starts with stephen as pre-game sportscenter at seven right here on. Espn coming up. A second chance for lance by trae lance. His second day could turn the top of the draft upside down next looking for baseball. We have for tomorrow night. Mets and cubs dana their three-game series at wrigley on espn. With taiwan walker. Facing jake already out of that tomorrow night right here on. We're coming up next on. His i take is steph. Curry the nba's best offensive weapon. And how excited should knicks fans be about zion williamson comments stephen maximally talking about that and more four and a half minutes from now here on. Espn meanwhile i want. I want my crew to rejoin me for this. Villanova's daniel smith throwing touchdown to charlie gilroy. But that hardly seemed to tell the story. Tim hasselbeck breakdown this way from a quarterback perspective. This is the craziest thing i've ever seen. We've seen left hand to pass. This underhand passes no look passes. I've never seen anything like this. Basically a cart wheel. We're like throwing it backwards not looking and what's crazy about it. I was thinking that was going to be like a two point. Play had the throat or four fourth down play. It was actually third down zero about the play that needed to a bad on third down. You shouldn't be doing that right. The best idea yes right there was like was this the last play of the game and then you told us that they actually lost game like what are you doing. I know yes situation but man yes. They lost twenty seven twenty two but that that january might be the most incredible comes there. I didn't know it was third down all right. Good well kid. Trae lands do back. That's the question. Maybe they'll do it at his pro day today a doubtful but it is his second pro day which is one more pro day then. He has interceptions thrown in his college career. He's seventeen now and again. I will just repeat for those of you just joining us right. We'll have my friend. Dan graziano repeat that. There is important information about the forty niners role in this day. That absolutely could shake up the top of this draft. You basically forty nine or set up the pro day. They gave him a set of drills to work on the last couple of weeks with quarterback coach john belk. Who's not his regular quarterback coach. But who played. Kyle shanahan in washington a decade ago. And who kyle shanahan trust in. His evaluations of quarterback back also works with justin field. Who's also into consideration. Along with mac jones but the fact that the forty niners kind of set this up. We're going to put him through the paces today in terms of drills specific to what they want their quarterback to do it matters. It tells us that he is still a possibility number three. That is what it tells us right. Dominic i mean. That's that's just not the way you behave. If you've already made up your mind who you're taking at number three and it isn't him dominique. What am i missing. Yeah i mean to me this sounds more and more like a private workout. The more i hear people talk about it like they are picking through. They are picking the coaches that are involved like this to me shows that they are realistically considering this and back to the whole mack jones thing is we all kind of accepted it as kind of facts. But we haven't heard john lynch say we haven't heard kyle shanahan and we all. Oh what a face. That was good. That was emphasis right there. We know we didn't. I didn't accept it as fact either. But i do think that the the best possible outcome is that they end up with him because he is a dynamic player that i don't think that mack jones is necessary. It does beg another question that we don't have time to dive into deeply today. But tim i will let you get one quick crack at it. Do you have a problem with the team. Giving up as much as they did to trade up as far as they did without having identified the player that they want to begin with. Yes but i don't think that's what they did right. I think that's kind of been debate. I think they did it. But maybe they'll tell us why they were going to the restaurant just policy off with the restaurant. And i think they would respirator and we assumed all along. They wanted to order mack jones. But that's not what they wanted to order. They wanted to earn a trae. Lance from the get-go what are they getting dominic. If this is a restaurant and there's a menu what are they ordering well. I think that you are forcing us. Because this is your show to stick with this analysis. I do think that lance come with lot of a lot of sides whereas mack jones is just matt jones. You just entree out some other playmakers give these other assets with trae leads to get one order. You get a bunch of stuff on that plane. Exactly right trailing soup and salad. It's a good analogy. Thanks for getting up guys. thank you forget. We'll see tomorrow. I take starts now. This is mel kiper junior. If you're like me can't wait until the nfl draft than the first draft. Podcast is for you. I'm joined by field. Yates and todd. Todd mcshay as we dive in headfirst into everything nfl draft. We're the quarterbacks going with the latest big board look like who's your team targeting. Find out on the first draft. Podcasts with todd todd mcshay field. Yates and me melkite. virginia listening. Subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.

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'Boys and Girl - Earl Thomas Watch; Ex-Cowboys QB Coach Jon Kitna Talks Dak, Garrett Era Ending; Trainer Brandon Tucker on Aldon Smith, Trysten Hill Turnarounds

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

1:09:42 hr | 1 year ago

'Boys and Girl - Earl Thomas Watch; Ex-Cowboys QB Coach Jon Kitna Talks Dak, Garrett Era Ending; Trainer Brandon Tucker on Aldon Smith, Trysten Hill Turnarounds

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Hello Boys and girls welcome in to the boys and girl podcast with cowboys network reporter Jayne Slater and NFL network producer Bobby Bell. Cowboys community with the inside scoop on the Dallas Cowboys. Now coming straight to you from the lone star state, here's Jane and Bobby. Bobby is the story line that keeps on giving Ed I need giving me grief as it relates to earl. Thomas. If you've been following this as a cowboys fan I know many have oral Thomas released from the Ravens were conduct detrimental Ed's I think the important piece of all this he was voted off the island by his teammates, not dissimilar to what we are seeing happened in. SEATTLE. I tell you my interactions with him at pro bowl actually after watching him walk into the cowboys locker room. I was the craziest thing I've ever covered I remember calling my assignments desk and saying you guys have got to see what I just saw. Earl Thomas in a Seattle Jersey pads pants, following the players into the locker room after the of eliminated them at home at at&T. Stadium was that decks rookie our full Kim's. That was the year with all the drama because. They were eliminated from the playoffs saddled here they were he walks in. And I just thinking to myself on the one hand disappointment that the cowboys didn't throw him out of the locker room. I thought. Where's the leadership here? And then The fact that he said in front of our cameras and get me and then I'm thinking he's just obviously a. Moment of. Losing his mind bit. He's pressed in the locker room and keep in mind. Seattle is just beat the cowboys and he's in that locker room telling reporters. He wants the cowboys to come get him and then so fast forward to pro bowl. He tells me he's not coming back to Seattle unless they pay them, and then the cowboys in good faith tried to go get him. Didn't happen, and then he ends up taking the money. The big issue for the cowboys all along has been the price tag a right now that price tag is somewhere around ten million dollars and so. I've got a couple of things to say about this bobby one what message does it send to that cowboys locker room if the cowboys find the money for a guy like Earl Thomas who's been voted off the island twice but you can't find the money for debt Prescott I think it sends a terrible message. Yes the cowboys could certainly use help safety but I do believe them when they say that the young guys are coming on and this is a new defensive system. I, mean we were just. WE'RE GONNA be talking here with Brandon Tucker expensive line coach talked about even just seeing development from Tristan Hill under the new system. It's a clean slate for a lot of these guys. I don't know if I think adding Earl Thomas to the mix is the best possible thing and I will tell you this my sources on getting mixed messages on this thing on the one hand. Absolutely not in fact, one said fake news then I circle back today and it was sort of work were grinding here. We're still grinding what does that mean another person says Were nothing's happening? Nothing's happening because the price tag is ten million dollars. If that price tag was to come down, he did a one year deal and the cowboys were able to protect themselves a deal very similar. Everson Griffen type. Deal. Alden Smith. The cowboys are in the business these days of Gitten team friendly deals done I. think it's outside of the possibility but I have been saying this and maintaining this that number is just too high but my watch continues it's interesting because you know when earl watch was initially going on starting at the end of two thousand, seventeen into you know twenty eighteen with the bow towards the cowboys sideline after two interceptions and all the flirtation after that and the very. Public desire from earl to come into the cowboys or my when that was going on I was talking to somebody who was aware of everything that. Goes on in Seattle and has a pretty good grasp on things in Dallas and you know there's been discussion this week about how how there's a lack of music the lack of music practice from previous years with Jason, Garrett and I remember when talking about Earl Thomas this person said, yeah that that music at practice that goofing off a practice like I don't know that you guys WanNa Roll Thomas like that's that's combustible because he he's not somebody who's GonNa play around He. He's very intense he he's a very intense personality not everybody gets along with them because of it and. You hear you and I both here, varying things about him that some people interpret his personality. That's passion. That's drive. That's the guy you want on your sideline and other people just write it off as like he's kind of a jerk I mean, there are some people who just can't interpret it other than that way for themselves and I think there's an important distinction you made here because cheer point you and I talked to a lot of people I went to Texas right? So I know a bunch of people that. Interact with him I have talked to both teams in the past about him. This. Is Not a guy where everyone was freaking out about Everson Griffen if you've listened Everson Griffin, this is a guy that was literally named after Everson Walls. He wants to be a cowboy. He feels like he's already been buying into this system right and then you talk to teammates they literally told me he was the MVP of the locker. They loved this guy. So whatever issues he had was not related to a lack of respect for his teammates or the locker room. We've heard the narrative about does being combustible and terrible team not true. You saw the players when that came out on my own network fell network sort of made a remark that he wasn't a good teammate his own team former teammates re tweeted that and said. To the effect you weren't amazing team of Zeke Adak are not going to be working out with. With dozen the off-season like we saw was such a terrible team around. Alden Smith They talked about how combustible he was the San Francisco. We've alluded to this. There was a lot going on within data locker room as it related to his teammate. Eight teammate which leads you see this is a whole different bag of tricks and as a matter of fact, Mike Silver, my colleague. NFL. Network dropped some some truth. On Monday's show. Here's what was going on with the Ravens lately Wa- enter. This goes back to the beginning of his tenure with the Ravens because it was bad last year too. He was late he missed meetings they warned him after he got fined repeatedly look at some point. This is going to be conduct detrimental, which would affect your contract that was last year, and then things picked up right where they left off at this training camp and not in a good way a couple of days before the altercation would shut Clark he had complained that he needed more time between practices and meetings and then explained that he was late to meetings because he had to get his car wash that day which so creative. Interpretation of that so. Things were bad and then he blew a red zone assignment in practice on Friday. And his teammate chuck. Clark reacted emphatically throwing his helmet was upset Earl Thomas Essentially said, hey, it's cool and Chuck Clark said no, it's not cool. You need to go to meetings and walk through and maybe he'll get it. So that's how the fight started but you're right Andrew this was a longtime brewing and Not a good situation from the start. So look arguably one of the best safeties in the game. Mike McCarthy keeps talking about they want best players available. He's certainly one of them but I think you're seeing a real pumping of the breaks here in Dallas because of all the things that we've talked about that's Jerry alluded to the other day he wants to find out who your neighbor was when you were eleven years old, he can. Jerry's done even more legwork than we have as it relates to his personality and then let's not forget some of the stuff that we saw. This off season as it related to the Kobe Party and the drama with his wife and I look. It's separate from football, but my point is there stuff going on with him right now and Wile I. Definitely think he's always wanted to be in Dallas and I think a lot of fans would love to see him here I certainly always maintained he would upgrade this defense. He'd be an amazing edition of the secondary I. Think he's just in a space right now. That perhaps does not make sense for the cowboys to Adam, not only that it becomes series got to go through testing protocols. He's missed training camp He hasn't had an opportunity Gel with the system and then I don't even know if he'd be he's GonNa. Certainly missed the blue white scrimmage game. If they signed him this week I, don't know no and I think that. Who Wherever Earl Thomas Lands up. We saw this a little bit with an that's compare all of these people to each other at all. But you know we see a little bit that. You know. Antonio Brown and Pittsburgh. was. A delicate balance and as soon as he left what they had developed in terms of structure over there there were issues elsewhere and you know you see that as much as people thought Tara loans was was loud friend of the show here. Tarallo and much people thought he was he was loud in San, Francisco and stuff. There were bigger chemistry problems. They thought they saw after he left San Francisco and it. Feels like I think that there are certain dynamic personalities are certain personality types in the NFL that they fit only within certain structures they're not for everybody they're not cookie cutter and can go at any locker room. It's not one size fits all their special circumstances and locker room chemistry where you can plug in an Earl Thomas or an Antonio Brown or or something like that, and so I think for the cowboys. Late to practice condense because he had to wash car I I'm not. I'm not defending anything to be honest. There's a of me that wonders says, my conspiracy theory take we seen a lot of players do this reversing? Jackson we saw it in Jacksonville Little Jalen, Ramsey know. You provoke not enough. They trade share you get out of your contract now in this situation. He's going to be follow. Grievance was the conduct detrimental enough for them to not pay him it's certainly very risky play. If you want to get out of a contract and you're hoping Dallas, will still pick you up sure and I think Dallas. But it just feels like if you it's almost like you're deliberately poking the bear is what it felt like. And so again, that's my conspiracy theory I. Don't know that for a fact, but it certainly feels like you're poking the bear to get out of the deal I think the thing that we can both agree on is. The question for the cowboys won't be the tape I mean he's certainly probably not quite the same player he was when he was you know five consecutive pro bowls in Seattle but I do think that the bigger question for Dallas where they would probably have to weigh as a the financials like you mentioned be even if that the financials were right would be. What does this do chemistry wise. Especially, team that seemed to have chemistry issues last year I you know that was seemed to be the main thing that held them back. That they need to look at it and go. Okay. Is this a a situation where again not to compare who they are off the field but is this a situation where we're injecting a greg hardy into the locker room where there's talent there and it fits something that we really need. But this is going to really screw with some chemistry or this is not going to be a locker fit so I think the question for the cowboys is not is he talented enough to start here is he talented enough for us to pay the money that it's going to cost. It's more. Is this going to ruin? A broader level than just you know the safety spot, will he have a negative impact and it feels like this group is really gelling in a short amount of time mean this is one of the best locker rooms that I've been around you and I have talked about it's sort of started with. Dak. Prescott. Rookie year, the guys were so young they came in, they galvanized together and the fact they all really bought in to this idea of quarantining at the Hotel Mike Question Right now is would world do that? He can't even show up to practice on time because his getting his car wash is more important to him. He's not learning the defense which is infuriating his teammates who are again saying like look man, we've got a short training camp it's condense we need you to be locked in. Can you trust a role at this point? That's what I'd be thinking if I was the cowboys right now and some of these players guests you want the best players available. Yes. You want a guy like Earl Thomas is he the oral Thomas that everyone is hoping they're going to get or easy this oral Thomas that certainly didn't pan out for the ravens the way they thought it would. Think. How much money they spent? On the possibility of him being the oil they thought he would and he wasn't yeah and I I mean like we say there's varying degrees of of reviews on him. You take a John Harbaugh type of who knows what it takes to win a super has done that and there's a lot of strong leaders there and they seem to kind of be all together and saying we want earl gone but then you look. At other guys who came out to Shawn Watson and Richard Sherman and others who after said, I've never known to be anything other than great and I love her all and I'd do anything to play with them. Well okay. Sherman played with fair to Sean as it Nope then to be fair also what people may not realize to Sean and Earl Sharon agent and so that's also probably partly at play but there is Sean would know earl because of that and would have some firsthand experience but I think that's the thing I think there's going to be varying reports about him and that would just be. The thing that would have to evaluate is do we trust that he'd be a good fit here? DOES HE WANNA be a cowboy bad enough that maybe we can work through some other issues or or things like that but I mean I. Wanted to be a cowboy bad enough bobby. He would've taken more of a hometown discount. Sherbina. On the table, a couple of years ago. He's eighteen million dollars richer though so maybe he feels like. A couple of dollars I'm talking about when he went to the Ravens, I'm not talking about the offered up a trade but. To me, you're motivated by money or location if you like for instance I, love the NFL network I'm probably going to give them a discount to stay with them as opposed to going somewhere else. He didn't do that. He didn't want to stay somewhere go somewhere. I didn't he that he? Took a discount but now that he's gotten that that money now that he got the signing bonus and the one year contract, he says, okay I can afford to take a little bit of a discount because I've gotten a a nice chunk of cash already from stuff. And it would be a brilliantly finessed moved to go get your money somewhere else when your grievance go to the team that you wanted to go to all along and then still get paid somewhere. Else it is. It would it would be a power myth. A lot of respect for it. I mean it's a you know. In terms of that and I respect I know in terms of I gotta respect the plotting I have an appreciation for the grand scheme, I don't think it's by a little biased because I'm so over it and that's the thing I don't think it's quite i. don't think the situation is quite to that level. I think what you had was I think he was happy to be. In Baltimore, he seemed very happy to be there last year. I think things have just fallen apart and we've heard a lot of things about issues with Thomas some of it. You know the the issue with the police being called his home that was reported over the off season and some of these other issues and so I got some things that he needs to work on her personally. As a Texas Alumna and a massive fan of Earl Thomas as a player. I. Would Love to see all of that happened for him I just covering this team. Knowing. Some of these guys in this locker room I just don't know if he makes the most sense right now feud asked me a couple of years ago. Throw the money out of him. Of course, make it happen cowboys, make it rain I think right now you've got to be really really careful with us. We'll drop the Earl Thomas discussions since I know you're tired of it but we got two guests today brandon. Going to be talking about this for the next week or so buying Brandon Tucker from trench warfare training will get to hear later and then we'll kick off today with a former cowboy's quarterback coach John Kitten. Was May nineteenth nine thousand nine hundred eighty three in Springfield Oregon in the middle of an otherwise peaceful cool spring night a car arrived at McKenzie. Willamette Hospital Diane downs and her three children had been shot. Cheryl seven was dead and Danny three and Christie eight her life threatening injuries a year. Later Diane herself was found guilty for the shootings. In the eighties. This was a shocking headline story of fatal attraction. Authorities believed Diane's infatuation with a married man. WHO said he had no interest in being a father to anyone's children was the possible motive behind her shooting her three kids one year later at her trial she was pregnant. That child was becky. Babcock. 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Some of these women absolutely were guilty, but some of them were probably criminals with that was not the case and all of them were viewed through societies lenses sitting at this intersection of being both killers and the fair sex but how many were just misunderstood. Listen to criminally on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts for wherever you get your podcast. Joining us now is former NFL quarterback former Dallas Cowboys quarterbacks, coach, Jen current head coach, and Athletic Coordinator at Burleson High School John Kitten coach getting. How're you do really well, thank absolutely, thanks so much for joining us here. So first question for you I know everybody knows you're over there now at Birla listen and you have currently on the schedule a an opener on September eleventh against as. Are you guys preparing if that game's going to be played? How optimistic are you about the season and I guess what kind of challenges are you getting thrown your way in this Kovic era with your first year coaching their Bir- listen yeah. Well, first of all the schedule has changed I. Mean I think we've had Ford reschedules already show. You know the U I O of pushback really the start date for five as six say push does back to try to to help the bigger ISD's Houston, Dallas and stuff to. Get. Through some of the the spikes they were seen in the summertime. So we won't actually star season until start. Our first game won't be till September twenty four or actually it's a Thursday were playing are crosstown rival. was like nine years ago they split the high schools here. And Burleson centennial in High School Playing Cowboys Stadium on twenty four to September. So our kids excited that. We haven't got the start. Actual football prices with helmets in tackling dummies and stuff like that yet. But. We've been working pretty hard and. The everything has been a obviously everybody's life has been disrupted by this and I think it's been pretty cool thing to be honest because I feel like. You know I think it's given a lot of people a better perspective of what's really important and I, think it's I think there's been things that we've gotten better at I. Don't think that this is good for everybody I'm that's not what I'm saying but not I believe in you know. Life is how you respond to. The events to happen to end up for us that's kind of what we've been plowing through You know the Cova Shutdown, get the start up our June eighth. On that day. One of our players one of our most beloved players, one of our better better best players. That night was killed in a car accident. and. I really rocked our community. A lot of ways but it also Jerusalem closer as well. So we've gone through a lot of stuff. But our kids been grinding away added in really after. Last ten weeks or so and? Then we start school next week. So things are going pretty well while and I know a lot of people know that you before you got working with the cowboys and before this job Burleson that you had done high school coaching before and one of the guys I'm just curious about and I'm sure you've been asked about a lot is Jalen rigor who I know you coached at Walks Achy first round pick of the eagles how worried should cowboys fans v about him being in the division the next few years he's a really good football player for the day first day I saw him I'll never forget it. You know we loaded up our RV and travel down here and big I. was there two days I my son organized the throwing session. A couple coaches were just sitting there watching from the stands in we saw jalen routes as he at that time us some. Of his sophomore, year and. It was just stuff that he did that is hard to find people even in the NFL that do it in terms of. His detail rows in how he got his shoulders over his toes and was able to get in and out of his brakes he caught everything with the sand so. Immediately that day I was like man, we have some special here and so he's go football player he's GonNa. You know. I really believe he's going to have one of those careers that is. You know will push him towards one of being in football player for a long time. So. He's in a right even right place out there in Philly? Carson going into fifth year I believe. You know that staff does a great job of using. All the strengths that people have and. The thing about him is a lot of people feel like he's he's probably just a slot receiver. That's not true. He can play any one positions. One of the things that he I know took personal offense to I guess a little bit from some of the draft community was they were talking about his hands that he didn't. He doesn't necessarily have consistent hands but it doesn't seem like you buy into that. Yeah. You know that the draft in in the the all that process is a tough process. Really. They're looking for reasons looking for. Why you shouldn't be the guy as opposed to. He has great hands I don't I don't ever remember him in school dropping balls I mean we go weeks without a ball hitting the ground in practice He's just he's an amazing football player his hands are not an issue is speed is not an issue is competitive is not an issue. There's zero issue with the kid what was it like working with Dak Prescott what stood out about him in areas that you thought not only that improved on but that he really developed under your guidance there with the cowboys big thing that stood what what was it like? I think that's your first question was like working with that. When I got when I got down to the pro bowl last year Jason said, come down here hang out with us and and got the talking to the coaches that Ron Staff? Every coach to a man. Like. You'll never be around somebody like that back. Prescott is what they kept saying and it was like almost too good to be true and and and then from the time that I met him until you know even today we tax stuff he just constantly looking for how he can improve at everything not just football leadership you know how he takes care of his body. His own life this everything about him is. I said this I've said this many times. I just there's a lot of people that. Do. Great do well. There's very few people that are constantly trying to improve. And that's who he is. Always is you know what's the next thing? How can I get better? What can I do to get better? So as a coach as a coach that's challenging because you just get the roll the ball out there. Okay. We're GONNA go to our everyday drills. There has to be a purpose behind it. He's going to challenge you on it in in coach in him you know there'd be timing. You know I'm Green Film on Monday. We lost a game or whatever, and I'm saying man you played really good and he Sent him the grades or whatever we talk about him he's like. You know I appreciate how your gray me but I don't think your grammy hard enough. And Nashes, who he is and show it was a ton fun. I learned a lot And I think that's who he is. He's going to be one of the best to play the game for a long time. Do. You understand the criticism about his play having worked with him and been in the quarterback room with him and. Get to your point. This is a guy that continues to want to improve. Do you understand some of the criticism that's out there about him some people that still just don't feel like he is the guy for Dallas. Is Your Dallas Cowboys quarterback. We talked about that a lot in our room. In the offseason last year is just it's part of the deal. When you're a Dallas Cowboy quarterback you don't win championships is not good enough period in that. Just sit in a it's a great. It's the ultimate team game. But. I think that is so comfortable in his own skin he's so grounded. With with the people that he has around him. That stuff doesn't faze him. He knows nobody's harder on him than him but. The reality is. It's tough to play in this league as well as he's played for last four years that's hard to do and and he continues to do it continues to rise So. You know the criticism, there's just certain people is never going to be good enough and. And served people that maybe don't think he's authentic I don't know that's on them though. Is Too bad. You know that that that they feel that way about him but In Dallas Cowboy quarterback is championships or you're not good enough. You know coach getting I. Know You're relatively new to the twitter saying what you guys can follow him on twitter at coach J. Kit but twitter is really wear that kind of what Jane's referencing there. That little bit of Nastiness about you know Dax not good enough really comes from and I you know I try to champion the the Dax Brigade on there and you can see over my shoulder here I'm naming my next child Luca Prescott belt then so that's after and Luka there. But with the most common, what is you really can't boards anything statistically about him anymore you can't point to things about his career achievements that you can say he falls short. and. There's all this objective evidence now that runs counter to the argument that Dak Prescott is not a franchise quarterback or one of the top quarterbacks in the league. So generally where everyone falls down now is well, my is tell me he doesn't pass the eye test he doesn't do this or that. And it's funny because it's usually coming from non-professionals. But I'm curious for somebody like you who quarterbacked in this league for seventeen years coached at this level and has seen him up close and you talk about grading his film, what do Your Eyes Tell you about Dak Prescott and what do you think about those types of criticisms that Oh actress you know he failed the test I don't think you get to be in the NFL. For Sixteen years like I was if you allow the opinions of people. That are irrelevant that aren't in locker rooms that aren't watching the film that don't understand. How plays are constructed analyst of. If the lead that stuff's way you than you won't last very long. So certainly, not going to allow people on twitter that you know have thirty five followers to affect my opinion on what I see in a day out saw day in day out with him. So, you know the test passes it all you know he's played four years. He hasn't missed a game theory. He plays injured he plays her he doesn't Miss Workouts. He's at everything you stand up in front of the media win lose or draw you never those teammates under the bus coaches. Any looks at criticized himself hard. Anybody stands up in front of the team talks at a team he he carries the message of the head coach of the program and and and he doesn't do anything to embarrass. The organization everything about him. He does he checks every single box except he hasn't won a championship they're hard to come by and you know, let's let's let's be realistic about it. They're hard to come by is so you know, but he is going to win and He is going to be one of the best ones to play this game for a long time because his his quest to improve is just greater than anything I've ever seen. John I am curious about what the final days of the Jason Garrett look like for a lot of coaching staff I know there were plenty of the coaches that were sort of left in the dark where you among those that was at the building Jason Garrett was showing up day in and day out with the binder underneath his his arm I was told and doing the player evaluations and acting as if. You're hired to do a job. You're hired to do a job until they tell you. You're not. You're no longer doing that job your job is a show to work and. They don't owe you anything. They don't owe you a conversation. They don't. Oh you know. to tell you what their thought processes are. There s not part of it is just a part of the deal. It's professional sports. This isn't you know high school this isn't The Ymca it's part of the deal what you sign up for in Jason. WHO's very proud of the work that he did in the ten plus years. That he was here in Dallas of as a coordinator, a head coach. He treated his assistance so well, on that we love in. You're don't think any guy would have a problem saying that in. So you know, but it's part of the deal. You know when you hire a new head coach, he's GonNa WanNa, bring his own people. It is what it is. But at the same time, until that decision is made, you show up and do work. I don't see that there's any problem with that. And we all had worked to. For he disappointed that you weren't asked back. Yeah I was disappointed because I wanted to continue working there I like working for the cowboys organization. I love the Jones family. I love the people that work inside the building. And most importantly. I envisioned myself. Being DAX, quarterback coach for a long time. I really enjoyed I enjoyed full status enjoyed the personal side everything about it. I enjoy the other guys neck or back room, but also know. Again. is nothing there's nothing personal about it. You know you just when you come and you're GonNa want I mean I remember sitting talking with Jerry Jones when I play. I used to just on Saturdays he come up from walk-throughs not wasn't plan as the backup or whatever now would just sit and talk with on sideline while watching walk through in east to say don't you ever get a chance to take over an organization? You know do something your own way. He should start from scratch don't hold people over. You know 'cause they're gonNA WANNA do things the way they've always done it in. So when a new head coach comes in, he's GonNa Change Staff is that part of it and so there's no hard feelings disappointed. Yeah. He's I like working for the cowboys and I thought we did a good thing and. You know we made some really good strides with back and all that stuff but I totally get it. One of the things that himself. Talked about during the season was he taught you know something that Jack even owned up to something that was potentially lacking. You could say heading into last season for him was he needed to work on some of his foot mechanics and work on his foot work. I remember we started hearing some buzz from people that it looked really improved heading into training camp, and so I was watching the first game. In preseason trying to see as a novice is there anything super obvious that I can see that's different and one of the things I noticed was he was kind of he used to kind of swing his back leg out a little bit when Heathrow and that it seemed like he was doing this more rotating up on the back foot a little bit and I asked around a little bit about and I don't know if this is the term used for. But. It somebody said that it's kind of referred to as squashing the bug that you kind of stepped down and turn up on that show and and that's one of the coaching points to really drive that home Can you talk to us about what you're doing with his footwork and then some of the things that you guys were some of the touch points that you saw were important for him and where you think improved for him last year. I think first of all. As his quarterback coach for less than here He he he's been a work in progress. She's been doing stuff with the guys that he hires to be his. Personal core back coaches and so there's been this. Progression that he was on I was part of. Really coming in and just know things we worked on were negligible to to the naked eye stuff that you wouldn't really notice is a six inch step here six instead they're in really just trying to get yourself in the best position to be in line with the throw that you're going to make and really kind of talk about playing from. The. Left foot right foot of the center and a stain in that in that little alley that little lane. Right there is. So that's really the stuff that we talked about that we did but you know really a lot of a lot of it was just. Helping him helping him in the core back just understand the rhythm of place I. Diana's lobbies guys. They don't play under center growing up anymore they in the gun show you can lose the rhythm of place is so sometimes. You're maybe you're running around its at eighteen yards. But you take the same drop in the shotgun that you take that you would take without that's at twelve yards. While when you go to look at that route, is it open because I'm at the top my drop he still runs route so you might move on. So it was just really about kind of understanding the rhythm of the place in how they all match up how and there's ten or twelve different drops. You're going to take in the shotgun in in how all those matchups those things we worked on. It wouldn't be anything that would be a thing that you would say, oh, man that was a huge change I don't think that was it. He's been a work in progress. He continues to be as I said I don't think he's ever going to be a guy go cat. Got It. I. Can get rid of John Belk I. Don't need him anymore. You don't need to hire quarterback coach because I got it all he's never going to be that I got. I always enjoy tells from the volt we had Tony Casillas on a couple of podcast when he was telling us some fun stories about his teammate Michael Irvin I'm curious. Do you have any fun stories about Jason Garrett. J About Jason. Interesting. So Jason, would always get on the plane. The witnesses you're being coach I sat right behind him on the plane. Jason would always be on the plane thirty minutes before takeoff. And he'd sit down. and. Say Hello Everyone. Cordial. Nice. But in that thirty minutes, you'd pull out the New York Times Crossword puzzle. In that thing, it'd be done before we are wheels to off the ground athlete is interesting. It's unbelievable is what it is to me. would be blank and he plowed through that thing say, hi to everybody that came by at work as working on a plane and coaches whatever touching base hey, we need to talk about this a any hammer, this New York Times Crossword puzzle less than thirty minutes is fascinating. Isn't it interesting? I feel like unfortunately because people don't get to know. Jason. They don't know there's this whole other side of him as much as an bobby sort of been the president of the Deck Fan Club I feel like I sort of took up the post of president of the Jason Garrett Fan Clubs I don't think people truly understood him in to your point. It's kind of like being a quarterback in Dallas unless you win championships you're not considered anything even though he only had one losing season in Dallas. Did you appreciate the process that came with him as a coach. Here's how much I appreciate it. Since since I've. Retired and started coaching myself. Jason has, Been, my biggest coaching mentor, and in Iowa's spin hours on the phone, we would take a lot. He would oftentimes talk to me off season about kind of you know the culture building they were doing and how they were building a program and in even send me. Little things, practice plans and stuff that I could work from, and he's just always been a great mentor made in people. Ask me all the time who was the best head coach you played for not in I don't pause Jason Garrett I think is it? Is Hard to do what he did really really hard to do we did. But again, you're Dallas cowboys it's about championships and you know. We didn't win here. Why is here but to take over as an interim coach in do what he did away he stepped in front of the team in the things that he spoke with conviction about that's really hard to do and. I think you know. I think the voices are loud that that thought he did a terrible job or voices are loud. Think isn't the right quarterback. But you know just because you're allowed doesn't mean you're right. I know that. We've seen some reports out there. That DOC had gotten a couple of workouts with you this off season. You know we we've talked to him a couple times camp already he seems in good spirits, but a lot of people were sitting here thinking like Oh you know. How is he handling this contract thing? Is it becoming a distraction? Did he seem just kind of like you know normal back to you normal student of the game ready to plough through this off season and not as much focused on what was going on off the field. That's one of his greatest strengths in traits is he does not let things that he can't control effective ever. Ever. He just doesn't need. So focused on what he has to do for himself and what his job is that he just doesn't it doesn't faze him and the contract those things that's the business side of football. But at the end of the day, he's gotTa go play in and he's he's a Dallas Cowboy through and through he loves the organization. So I am not magna speak for him but you know the time span wigham whether it's playing golf for. Hanging out playing cards or you know working awesome quarterback stuff. You know. He's just laser focus. Does out does work outs look like John. Well, a lot of main part of the. They were really just me get my son's around him. He he was so nice. My son's all as year whether it was my son in college are the two that I got still at home. Just always working with them and he's actually I get. My youngest one is built a little like back. So he taught him his you know. IS WARM UP All, that stuff. So. You know if he ever doesn't do warmup routine when he goes out to throw or or practice. I called back immediately on facetime and it's not known as work. So then he does stuff like that. So you know there's just young he again, that has people that that have been working with them for a long time, but with get together every now and then and work on different stuff. But yeah, obviously not now but we didn't off-season just because we were up near each other code. Had US all a little bored Before Bobby Gypsy I do have to ask it since you brought up warm up routine. You know drew brees says something very similar but the fans that watched it as it went viral, what's up with the hip thrust and that very particular warm-up that both he and drew brees both do very methodically, and there is such an attention to it pre-game. If you if you were what if you watch baseball players hitters. The Watch. The good ones, are you watch golfers? When you watch him it's all about the hip rotation. The power generated within the hips. That's really what that routine is about and You know. So a lot of people will do it by striding and Enduring Esa. But or when they you know when your pocket, you're getting ready to throw they'll. In one foot will come into contact with the other one. At you lose power doing that so. That's the thing that they you know he's been he's worked on for years is to generate the power through the hips in the core. Is that is that more that sort of thing? Is that exercise more about loosening up before games it almost like a stretch or is it more about muscle memory and trying to you know develop that feeling? I. Mean That's a question. I think it's both. It's both Dan. So you've mentioned here you know the What kind of a player Dak is from a mental aspect and I think that people have heard the cowboys, players and coaches and everybody else rave about that for a long time about what he's got between the ears and you know for some people who look at that and wonder like, okay. But I mean, you know what does that really you know matter a quarterback how just in your own words and the in your own words the way you would describe how important is that? Mental makeup of not just being a quarterback what happened to be a quarterback of the Dallas? Cowboys. And it's one of the that's one of the most essential traits that quarterbacks going to have to have is that mental makeup mental toughness. Ability to be resilient. The ability to you know focus in. And do the task at hand not get caught up in you know the the noise that's outside a you or even the last it's it's really about how do you focus on do your job on every single play and and like I said. You know. There was times last year that I'm like Nannies that was a really tough game that he had a room take it easy. Emmy almost cuss me out like what I don't know what that means. We taking it easy run do this or when he was a see joint, he couldn't throw each still come out and get his foot work in and I still be super engaged in the meetings mean. Legitimate Pie you know. Had had enough of injury that you probably shouldn't have played in a couple games. Never, even thought. That's just type players. So just wrapping up here I'm curious. You know you. We've talked about how you've been at the high school level and then you know you've obviously had this experience. Working with the cowboys not. Too Far, into the future discount which you're trying to do now but what's your outlook look like for your for your? Do you think high schools where you're gonNA stay out or do you have the feeling that one day you'd like to go back to coaching at the professional level or or perhaps even college? Yeah. No I enjoy what I'm doing and I really feel like this is my calling And and the cowboy thing. That was a situation where I really felt like I could be helpful and it's not a dream of mine. It's not something I've turned down necessarily, but I like what I'm doing. I plan on being here a long time in Burlington it's always been my wife and I that's what we feel like were called to do is to pour into the youth in and train young men to be real man and and I'd love nothing more than to leave a legacy of. Leadership here in being real man coming out of Burleson. Texas in and hopefully win at a high clip too. But that's not the ultimate goal for us. Ultimately, goal is training character introducing young men that A. That their parents in their their families can be proud of their community can be proud of their school can be proud of the show. Had Opportunities to stay in the NFL this past year but it just wasn't really what I feel like was leaving us to do. I like what I'm doing I. got a great athletic director principal is amazing. Our Superintendent is awesome. Weren't growing district in a couldn't be more happy on. This is exactly where I think God has us. Will coach the kids are lucky to have you and I think anyone listening to this interview sees why guy like Dot gravitated toward you? We certainly miss you this year but we of course she the of luck thanks for having me on a really appreciated joining us now is Brandon Tucker Brandon is the founder, of trench, warfare training and he is also the combine and pro day trainer for Defensive Lineman at Xhosa in Dallas. Braden trains a number of NFL, defensive lineman and as a skills teacher of sorts brandon you can follow him on twitter at T., w. f.. Training. Tuck House Man. Pretty good. How are you Bob I'm getting by I'm not excited to talk to here know we We were all interested as Jan's been talking about in her reports and as everybody's been buzzing about everybody wants to know about Alden Smith and what a lot of people don't know necessarily is that before he was reinstated before he was in the building and as he was working back but was still in the Dallas area that. You got to work with him. I know he was asked about it recently by Todd Archer and had good things to say so I, guess for all the fans listening in wanting to know give us the lowdown on on Alden Smith and what your impressions have been an while you guys have worked out this off season. So I got him. I got him late March early April. His agent Ron Slave, and sending me to to get him to get him reacclimated to. Justify, football again and we worked out every day Monday through Friday for. Oh About two and a half months. About one half months we were going. in show is one that just wanted to get his feet back underneath. So. When you say you worked out five days a week for a couple of months. It seems like he took a really professional approach to. Wanting to get back in shape. What kind of shape was the only when you got him and what did he look like when you were done? So he was in decent shape and prost. Professional he was in decent shape. You know he had been training prior to getting to me, but he was more in Kinda like marathon shape boxing shape verses being in. Football shape. So he was in, he was in shape. He just wasn't in the type of conditioning that's your needs to play. Sixty seventy plays a game. What was it that stood out about and we talked about this a little bit last week on NFL network but you said it had something to do with his hands. Yeah. So I made the mistake of standing in front of him. during Israel and He he delivered a blow like he's supposed to. And I I still received. Did Not have a pad out in front of me and so he got to my chest and and I had to take a moment. It was like being hit by by a battering Ram or tank. It was ridiculous. It was absolutely day. Wow. What is it about? What is it? I mean I know you and I've talked about this before even off the that a lot of times guys entering the League and and where there's probably the most lacking among defensive linemen in the NFL is how to use their hands that they're not necessarily adept at that. I know that's not the case really from what you've said about all the what is it about him that that makes him. So special in the way he uses his hands and and and that sort of benefit. So with with with all the All I don't I don't think he's a human being. I think he he he might be from from planet or Baugh the way the way that he's able to do things the power that he possesses he he's just super. Super. Special as related that but his football likes you very very high. He understands he understands where to put his hands and a winner put him there and I mean, he's just he's phenomenal from that respected I mean he just he knows how to play football that's why he was. Successful as she was before he took his sabbatical. It's amazing because the narratives out there about football players. It's amazing. Help pervasive. They can be without a lot of people actually contacting the player getting to know them, and that's why I love that we have these wealth of context and Dallas you can sort of get a sense of but. were. You surprised when you got him hearing some of the narratives out there about where he was at just mentally. you know I had several people talk to me about him prior to me to me. And once once I had a chance to visit with them in meeting He was nothing like what was al-suhmi pardon me get an east I mean super caring. Guy. very gracious with his time. Very intellectual. You know he he would even stay late. After I worked with him and jumping with my high school and Police Training Group at that time you know we were supposed to be locked out. And I had a bunch of kids home from spring. Right. At, university level who couldn't go so they were trading and he'd come out with visit with them. I mean he was he was just incredible You know just just totally opposite of what you've heard a lot about him immediate. I know that you've gotten some work in before with demarcus Lawrence and that's a guy that you know a little bit. What kind of parallels are there? Would you say that those are two similar guys in terms of everybody knows demarcus Lawrence has football Iq and what an animal he has are those two similar like guys in the way they approach the game. A. I would say from from a from a football IQ standpoint yes. you know both of them are extremely hard workers but two totally different personalities it's like Union Yang I think they're getting along so well, just because they they WANNA be great. So when you have guys that have that mindset I, mean everything else Kinda gets puts it aside with two two totally different personalities between. Tank and in. Floor. All right. Well, elaborate. How are they? Different? Well, I mean you when you say elaborate I mean without without being even too much intimate detail you you're talking about you know. You know. Tank who Does a lot of stuff behind the scenes doesn't really like a bunch of fanfare I mean you know you're talking about a guy that goes and spends time that the Frisco Boys and Girls Club has tremendous. he's active in the community Floyd just got here but but but hell, he's he's not as laid back. He's not as he's not as reserve. You know he he he likes to enjoy himself where there is whether it's you know eating at home in the walls. all over the metroplex or just you know sitting back into, we're John and music man he just a totally different totally different went and a thanks a family it may family. All, then you know he's still he's still you know. He's not he's not he's not. Does not have wiping to you. So just two totally different personalities for sure. All right. That's the other guy on this defensive line that I think a lot of people have a lot of questions about his Tristen Hill. People trying to draw comparisons between Taco, Charlton which a lot of people around here bobby considered us. What separates Tristan from the TACO narrative, and why are we now hearing reports that Tristan has done this three sixty all of a sudden in the off season as Dobbs. Ling, this new coaching staff is that just coach. Playing good cop all of a sudden. You really seeing that from him because to be fair as teammates I've noticed it. Potentially, could it could be I think first and last year I don't like Taco came into a very very. Different type of room. and so. I think he had some expectations. do those expectations weren't there? And you know the the room dictates a lot. You know if you if you have guys in that room that you don't necessarily get along with, it's GonNa it's going to work every day with someone you don't like and so it you know for a young guy, twenty years old. You know still learning how to be a professional. You know you can develop rabbit ears. I. Think Taco did that as well but you know. With with the new staff and the new coach, Chris trysted posted as a new beginning man that new opportunity any and he's taking advantage of it. He came out of a bad situation, his last year in college. So his his last two years of football. You know just having been calling to him and then and then all of a sudden. You know you got a new head coach and a new system and everyone has a. A hit the reset button and and he's really really taking advantage of that opportunity and all the right thing and is it. We've heard some discussion out there that. Tristen has you know maybe it's taken some responsibility himself into how things went last year that maybe it's not so much. Well, I was a victim that that maybe he recognizes his own party and in some of the struggles lesser is that sort of what you've seen in your work with him that that he owns up to I need to do some things different this year. Absolutely, that was as one of the things that we talked about and I was accountability. and. He was a hundred percent. Accountable and he owned a lot of what happens last year and I mean we talked about it in detail. You know. He felt like he was their first pictures they didn't have one. And he thought things are GONNA be different once he got there and they and they weren't. And so you know a lot of things a lot of the things that happened. You know he owned which is you know once you start to do things like that it shows your growth and maturity and he's not GonNa make those mistakes again it's not gonNa make the signs as again. and I think he's dedicated himself as this off-season being better it'd be a better football player and I think it's I think it's I think it's showing evidence people now that. You know he's GonNa live up to the to the to the pay US picked second round. So he's GonNa make some believers out of people this year. Fundamentally of you seen him make changes to, his game. Great Question I think be because he's so strong and powerful explosives. you know he can and do things that most guys in size aren't able to do. So from a fundamental standpoint, just being in great condition was huge for him. this year you know being able to do whatever's asked him at at one hundred percent percent is what we what we talked about a lot to So other than that I mean you know it was just him learning him and learning what what they're trying to teach him and it's a short Kirkwood know. Oj, so he staying late. You know he's doing everything he can to make sure he stays on top of on top of the curve. We we know how difficult it can be for defensive Lineman and their rookie year I know that another guy that you've gotten to work with is Neville Gallimore. About his straits and also what you think might be the biggest challenges for him in in his learning curve heading into his rookie season. Never lose noble lived a compact stung explosive. defensive Lineman you know the scheme that he played in at Ou allow him a lot of time to just run through gaps. In so if if he was here in Anneli System, he would have he would've dislike a youthful healthy league collins. with the type of system that. That they're running now, he's he's got to. Learn to use his hands a lot better and striking at the point of attack. which is completely different than what he's done in the last four years at at Ou, and then obviously with him being you know a Canadian player born in Canada and in its formative years there football the brand of football a little bit different. So we're he's being asked to do some things that he's not accustomed to doing, and once once he gets that. He'll be just fine. Normally, all those things would have been taken care of not as. You know. But the without US having in this year you know it's it's GonNa. It's been a little bit challenging and then and then secondly just adjusting to the physicality and the pace of the game in the NFL versus big twelve right Say IT'S A it's a huge a huge transition I think he's in a great spot. Where they can afford to to to to bring him along a little bit of slower pace than. And knowing what you would have a guy in this situation because of the depth on the interior of the line were four McCoy got hurt. was going to be my next question. It might be a little unfair to you because you have it worked with these guys since they've been at can't up and actually part of the install. But given the Journal McCoy, News, do you see having the bigger edge to be that guy in the interior? Ties is I would enough. I mean. He's He's he's in a little bit of nose guard but I mean I I expect for. To feeling most immediately obviously woods and and play the same position. And so the only other, the only other guys that you have on the on the team right now, all your babies in that spot you know the the two, the two young fellas in interesting and Neville So. Immediately would be tired. I would expect if they had to start again tomorrow I put money that it'd be a tie in there. At the. Three techniques. Do. You work with tyrone Crawford at all. I've not. I have. Not. after ten. Stay fans that aren't familiar. I feel like he was the missing link last year and that defensive room I don't know if you've talked to a lot of guys. But when he got hurt I felt like his leadership was really really. They've missed him. That's a guy that I. I always enjoyed seeing David. Irving running his mouth in the locker room and tyrod coming over there and being like, why are you talking to the media? Of course it drove us. Crazy. Oh David's spill it all the team but you kind of need that sort of leader keeping the young guys accountable. So I'm glad he's back I think Tristan Hill and devil will benefit from him being back there. He's the one that got demarcus Lawrence to start riding his bike and get his weight down their bikes every day to and from the facilities L. Right? They were riding their bikes sex owes I'd look and it'd be mountain bikes I who's run your bike up here and They, they wrote those mics everywhere. That's a hike. Johar's it from their house on the bike. You're talking about four or five miles. Man. Yeah March men on a mountain on a bike. For sure to riding down the streets of Frisco, it was crazy i. Bike. I guess last thing for you here because then you've gotta work, you gotTa get with. Everybody's GonNa. When you look at you referencing the different things they're teaching. Now talking about Tom Soula versus Rodman delegates from your perspective is, is that what you would say is going to be the biggest difference for fans who watched the defensive line. This is it more finesse for Marinelli scheme versus power and a lot push pull from Tom Soula game. Yeah, you're you're you're GonNa see you're going to see. And and don't get me wrong I. Think I i. think that that Rod and And big cat did a really good job I mean even line was always you know very, very, very, very well coached with the cowboys under undergoes Garrett you just you just going to see a different type of play this year 'cause you're you're not gonNa have guys jetting up the field like they did all the time you're you're GonNa see you're going to see some of that some of that art surface you'll you'll see Tang standing up you'll see floyd standing up. and so. You know that that just creates a nightmare scenario for for officer coordinators when you have those players. Either warring off the ages are dropping back and coverage So the schemes are totally it's like night and day, and they have the personnel to play with they wanting to. Be Able to mix things up like they're going to this year my Formula Egal- for fans that want a reference point. What tape should they pop in? If they want if they WANNA visual this defensive line is gonNA look like. Easy, go go back to Alden in Smith second year in the League. And look at that defense played by football they they got after people. and you're you they have they have the second coming. Right now. They have the second coming of that. They'RE GONNA go to San Francisco's what what have you come out two thousand and nine eleven eleven eleven. Eleven so that go go look at thirteen fail. Ten Twelve thirteen when he was in San Francisco and that's a lot of you're gonNA see a lot of that. This year always a wealth of information. Thank you so much for coming on here. We only get so much time with these new coaches to sort of get -ment. So always love we can talk to people on the outside. Side so we still. Not a problem. Thank you for having me on. All right. So we are getting closer and closer to the start of football blue white scrimmage game anticipated to be this weekend We hope that was the. That was at last check we thought that was going to happen. 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663. QB Guru John Beck on Zach Wilson, Justin Fields and Kyle Trask

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663. QB Guru John Beck on Zach Wilson, Justin Fields and Kyle Trask

"And now move the sticks with daniel jeremiah and bucky brooks. What's up everybody. Welcome to move the sticks presented by castrol edge. Dj back with you. How you doing man man. I'm good. I can't complain. It's always fun time as we get closer and closer to address it is a busy time To say the least we've been grinding away here. I think if you turn on the television. There's a chance you're going to see one if not both of us this point time in in the year cranking out content for you as well on nfl dot com and more importantly we get to have these chats here together on. Move the sticks Today we got kind of a shorter episode But it's gonna feature a conversation with i really. I would say a rising star in the football world in terms of developing the most important position. Yeah john back has been a fascinating to watch You know having had the opportunity to talk to him. I think one thing. That's interesting for me is i. Scouted him i remember he was at. Byu i remember going through their Before he embarked on a nice solid. Nfl career watching them. Play the quarterback position. He is now taking all that knowledge expertise. And he's now pouring into young quarterbacks and we will talk about the guys. He's currently training. Zack wilson and justin feels and some others. He is really helping. These guys not only work on their mechanics but learn how to play the game. So i'm fascinated here this conversation. You just heat it up. Beautifully here. i've since this conversation at a chance to talk with john on the phone so i'm excited to listen to this for the first time because i am sure the same questions that you did But one of the more fascinating guys when it comes to the quarterback position is john back. So here's what the up and coming. Let's throw it on a quarterback guru. Amen you guys obviously have loaded class. You have a of good quarterback prospects to get you. But i want wanna talk to you about making the transition from being a former. Nfl quarterback to now being a quarterback trainer. How did you go along that path. Will you know when when you play quarterback. It's obviously because you love the position you love the investment of time sacrifice. She loved just the crap that goes into trying to become the best player you can be and so it was an easy transition for quite frankly i you know. Of course there's nothing like playing the game. There's nothing like being the guy out there But i think the second best thing is helping the guys that are out there and kind of taking my experiences that i've had and then using that to help them be the best they can be. You know it's funny because you played at. Byu had a terrific career. Byu and byu flares ty detmer and jim mcmahon both we spend time together in green bay. And it's always been a thing where byu develops quarterbacks. What is it about your experiences at byu enabled you to not only play in the national football league but to now pass on that knowledge to others who aspire to play that hollow. It is a special group there. There's been a lot of great quarterbacks that have come through. And i know in my time there with legacy of quarterbacks that have gone before you wanna be a part of those guys you know. There's a high expectation. That's there when you're the quarterback of the university but it's exciting to be a part of it. It's a great challenge and when things are good it's usually because the quarterback position is rolling there and we see we saw this last year. With zack wilson. And a great job that he did and now it's an exciting thing for him to come out and byu and be another one of those guys and then in terms of how. I hope the other quarterbacks. I think every quarterback has to be able to do with expectations. Death bill to deal with that pressure in that standard so some of those lessons that i've learned coming from a place like that playing for some organizations in the. Nfl had great quarterbacks as well. It's just being able to to recognize specialists to be a part of that legacy of quarterbacks and then also just there is always an expectation. There's an expectation of performance of efficiency. And it's part of the job you have to be able to handle each and every day you go out there but it's exciting. It's a part that i I quite frankly missed but it's exciting. I get to help these guys. Take on that challenge. Themselves were has to be extra excited. When you're able to see someone really blossom right in front of your eyes. Al-matar mater. Zack wilson Really had a breakthrough season in twenty twenty. Talk a little bit about your relationship with him. Where you guys. I met and how you kind of have developed relationship over the past few years. Yeah i had a chance to meet zach. During his freshman year he graduated high school early. He was one of those early graduates than enrolls in january. The way i met zach was his uncle was actually bringing his son out. Zack's cousin doing some work with us and he just said hey. I really think that my nephew needs to come out here and take a look at this and so i got to meet him right after spring. Ball his freshman year and he's been training with this for. I think it's coming up on three years now and it's been great. It's been great to see his development as player. he's always been really special in terms of athleticism in how much he loves the game. His approach and his drive towards becoming the best he can be but it's been cool to see that maturation process in terms of decision making also in terms of just rising to even becoming a better player each year. He always said out with a. I want to improve in these areas in how to kind of tie in his athleticism in all those things in his arm talent and each year. See how that's kind of like jumped level jumped level this year. I mean quite frankly went out. There put together an amazing year. It's been cool to see because it's been three years. It's not something. Where in years past. I meet a guy in january where they played their final peter bowl game or playoff game. I meet them in january and we start working. This has been different. This has been knowing him since he was eighteen years old into to see that kind of dream come to life and now he's going to be a top draft. Pick been really cool. You know it was really cool on my own. My in as an evaluator is really. See the light. Come on for him when you watch him this season. Ucf make remarkable place and you also see his confidence bill week after week after week. Have you seen him mature. Says you guys have worked together. And how did it really come together this year in twenty twenty. I think some things really fell in place in terms of alignment there at the university right. It's the same offense he was able to have. Jeff grimes. aaron rodgers as offensive coordinator's wide receiver coach fetchy. That was there that really keeping that system in place allowed him to grow within the same system. Wasn't needing to relearn an offense or have new philosophies are concept so it was this continual. Let me put something out during the season. And then he's the type of guy that's going to go back and watch every single game three times and he's going to go and take notes every single time of all right. Here's what i did. Then what can i do now and to see that coupled with every day he came out here and work with us it was always about. What can i do to improve my game to take myself to the elite level. He wasn't just trying to be better than average. He wanted to be a elite and he was the same way when he was a freshman and sophomore. But you know he had battled through some things. He had a surgery that he had the kind of work through. That makes it tough when when you're trying to improve as a player and you have to learn a new offense overcome some type of injury through rehabilitation. It's just not the same as you get an off season to kind of come in and really just focused on improving as a player in the same system and i think that coupled with the fact of having some really good players around him he had a really good group wide receivers. The running backs did a great job. He had a great offensive line. Quarterback knows i wanna play. Well i depend so much on the guys around me so you know. There's a lot of areas that you can point a finger and say it's because of this. It's because this It's because of that. And it's the guys around the coaches around him and then right in the nucleus of all that is how zach. Everything has a great approach to the game if things really came together form this last year man. Did it ever come together. Form when i wrote on my notes while i was evaluating the natural because when i look at him i think he plays the game in a very natural fashion meaning he can play on script or off the script he can make big throws but he also has the discipline to take things underneath. How hard is it to be a very talented player. Harness it and just take the defense gives you how hard you work with him on that part of the game. I think you know in my in my job. There were some conversations. But i'm sure that his coaching staff there. Like i said the coordinators probably spent far more time discussing decision making within a play. There were times in the offseason that we would talk or sometimes even in season about just being smart. Sometimes very talented guy is when they're young they want to do so much. Have such confidence in themselves. And they haven't really had those scars yet of You know trying to too much. And so they're always willing to go for it to push to to try to make the great play. And i love that about zach. And that's where you when you talk about maturation as a quarterback. You see that that i'm learning how to be smart. I'm learning how to play within the downs. I'm learning what can pay. I don't need to take that chance right now. Because i know i can still do this. And then when you couple that with his athleticism at anytime he can make that game breaking play. he doesn't need to force that ball on second down. Played eleven other down. Because you never know within the game when that opportunities to come is gonna come to just capitalize. He's got all the tools to capitalize on those big play moments. He's got the mobility. He's got the arm strength like you said he's a natural player when it comes to throwing playing off platform opportunities will arise for him to make great place during a game and you can see that throughout his freshman and sophomore years just at times there were those decisions of trying to do too much and i think as i look at this last year man he just seemed like in such control of managing games of knowing when to take those opportunities and knowing when to just let me live to play another out. You know it's funny because you mentioned his confidence when you working with them on like what does that. What does this confidence level. Like when you're watching practice and then when you watch him perform yeah you know. I get to see him an environment here. During his off seasons. I watch all the games but i don't. I don't get to be around him during the week in preparation for the season. But out here you you get this sense that he just always so willing to push through like. Give me the next challenge. Give me that tough throw. Because even if i don't get it today i'm going to work on it and i'm going to be aware of what i need to do. And when i come back. I'm gonna want to show you that. I can make that throw. That's the thing that i really loved about the way that zach approach things it was just this This excitement for give me that challenging. Throw because he has that confidence of believing that. Hey i think. I can do it. He he's got that little swagger right he's got that little bit of like that line between cocky and confident and i love that and i think anyone that's played in. The nfl knows that like you gotta have that. So i love that are opportunities to work together to be able to push him. Like i push a lot of the pros. Sometimes you get collegiate guys in. They're trying to figure it out. And then you get that that cool opportunity to work with guys that you see so much of what you see in the pros where those guys that are succeeding at the next level. They want that same challenge. Like i have so many cool opportunities to work with guys in i. Just i see that in their workouts. Push me push me push me. They want it they want to be pushed to be. The best in. Zack demonstrated that from a young player. All these years. He's been with us. You know you talk about zack wilson. And how long he's been with you guys but you guys also working with ohio. State quarterback justin feels. What have been your impressions of justin. Says you guys have conducted. He's been great. I've enjoyed every day just out there From the minute he came in. I didn't have a chance to work with him before. So like most times. I watch guy player in the season i see him play in this huge game against clemson and just absolutely just take over the game and play amazing and do it through injury as well and you watch it on tape and your wowed by a lot of things then you get to see him in person you get to meet him. And he's focused determined and he works hard and he comes out. Here he competes. It's been a really cool situation to have Zach justin we also have kyle. Trask and these guys get out here. Every single day and we have k. Jay castillo as well the stanford translates mississippi state. But these guys get out here. And i mean it is just a competition every single day and you can see why a guy like just fields was able to play on such a big stage. You can see why when he goes in playoff game burst clemson at he wants that he wants those moments and it's been an awesome experience for me to be around him to be in the film room to get up on the whiteboard and talk through everything you know the team that gets justin's gonna really liked what he brings to the table. You know it's funny. You bring bring that up about the competitiveness between Not only zack wilson. And just but the other guys that are. There are college grassing k. j. castillo. What is the one thing that might have surprised you about just an upon meeting him. I did not know that. Justin had a background baseball and just very athletic guy like you watch him on tape and you just see this strong powerful like so hard to bring down in the park. I was so impressed. When i got to talk through him. What he was going through what he's having the process of his ability to make plays in. I mean he just looks the part of a guy that when he walks in the locker of your like alpha. That dude just looks apart but it was so cool for me to know the back story of his life. Just how involved. He wasn't baseball. How much baseball. I played to me right off the bat. Just as a coach i see. Wow there's so much i can do with that background. All these guys that come from other sports immediately you know. Oh my gosh. If he has this in his background. Here's what i can do if he has this in his background. So it's been really cool to know that about justin push him in some areas because he can make those off script sliding left make those tough throws because of that background that he has and so to me. That was a really cool thing to figure out and then apply that to our practice field. Some of our workouts quickly contrast caja castillo. The training gone with them. What have you learned from watching each of those guys. Kinda grow up on your your wife ally. Yeah i've been so impressed with all of them. I mean kyle has just been so consistent every single day grinder. I mean. I was just talking to a team two nights ago. And they're asking me about kyle. And i said look you wanna do. That's gonna show up grind sweaty back. I mean he's out here just written balls. I mean cows been great to get out here and work and cage as a guy that i've known since he's been in high school he's been with us for a while so it's great to see him step out and you know those other guys have the big names right now right but between zach justin kyle those guys these last year they were able to go out and do a lot in cage as a guy that jumped out on the scene that first game against lsu then do injuries through changes and all that stuff. He doesn't have the name he steps out every day. Working with these guys pushing himself. It's been great for guys like like just builds. I had watched him through these last couple years. I knew about and when he went to georgia. But i don't have that interaction with him until he gets here and just watching the way that he approaches things. He's already approaching things like a true professional a he's here early. He asked to get extra time in you know he gets an opportunity to to to prepare for his interviews. he calls me on the phone. And said hey. Can you help me kind of prepare. This offense can you can like. Can we go over this again. Because i want to nail it. And he's handling things right. Wait cal trask. I was so amazed with some of the games that he played the game that he played against alabama. I mean he almost stole that game away. He played a great game. And if he doesn't have that game where the where his team doesn't win against he could be very. Well the heisman trophy winner. It's been really cool to also my favorite part about all. This is sit down with them. When i i get with them. I get to watch their tape. And it's tell me what you're processing here. Tell me what your coaches are asking of you. Tell me how you got to this. Tell me everything that's led up to this play. I wanna know where it's coming from in your mind your body. I love diving into their offenses and they're never mental makeup with them and then part of the thing that we do here at three cubes we jump into also the kind of the sport mental performance side of things. We jump into the emotional. What makes these guys tick. What behaviors have they demonstrated throughout their college career. That are going to help them be successful. And then what are some of the things that they face you know. A quarterback faces a lot of challenges. And i believe so much of their success depends on the toolkit that they have and we don't know how this draft is gonna shake down but all these guys are gonna go to different teams and who knows who's going to get the great situation of a solid defense in a great run game in who may get where it's not a solid defense. There's holes and the run game isn't great and they got a win on third down and it is tough as a young player to drop back on third down a win. What are those guys gonna face in. How can we help get to succeed. I love that part about this process. And they've all they've all been great and how they've been open to allowing me help them and i so much want to see them just go out and have great opportunities great situations but it doesn't always work that way so they gotta be ready for the test stuff one thing that i do know when they have the opportunity to shine and their pro days and when they finally stepped foot onto a field at minicamps they're can be ready because of the work that you john belk n three d. Qb have been able to do. Thanks so much for joining us john. It's been terrific in your insight on these quarterbacks enjoyed the time back that was interesting. Yeah there's a lot of the same things that i've had conversations with john belk in Recently in to me. It's it's fascinating the stories there zach as well as with with justin Again two guys. I think our top ten picks in any draft. Yeah not in talking about both him and talking about the natural talent at both of those guys display but is beyond their talent is their willingness or the desire to really dig into what makes a great quarterback How do you become a great quarterback. What are you need to do. How do you dig into the prep time in studying. Those things think was act wilson. An just feels they have shown that you know. I think this class in general we look at it Dj we're we're looking at gas. We really wanna be quarterbacks who have the maturity that is not just about like the stardom of being the qb one but these guys really really loved the craft and they've taken into it because reports that we've gotten back from their work ethic and those things reflect that and so john beck was able to shed some light on two of the top prospects and he. I'll tell you what he did. A phenomenal job with justin. Herbert the judge mood that he began working with an justin herbert's. He handed off to the chargers. I mean tremendous tremendous job with him Really from the ground up all the way up to how he sees the game and reacts to the game. I give john a tremendous amount of credit for that really One again star. He's really a bright star. And if i was the nfl team and had a quarterback that i didn't have access to in the offseason particularly when the discussion is are we going to have a virtual offseason sent him out there. I'm sending them out there. Let him go. Work with john You know if if you've got john you've got jordan palmer. Both those guys do a fantastic job out there Quincy does a great job there in atlanta. You've got options of places. You can send these quarterbacks and to me. I want to be communicating with with guys like that and so we can be kind of working in tandem. If i can't be around my quarterback. I want him with one of those guys will. Yeah and you're seeing that happened More that gas lead into the draft with is work each and every off season. That guys are dispatching. Their quarterbacks to these Gurus to really help them advance their training Master more techniques. In comeback to the josh allen workouts jordan palmer did for jet l. like an and we're seeing the growth and as more people become our say like four. I'm three hundred sixty five day worker. Bees at the position. You're seeing this growth in his nadda coincidence that we're seeing. So many young quarterbacks have success in the league because they are working with these gurus on the outside who are showing them how to play again how to play the game and how to accelerate the position. No doubt all right again so it was a quick one today but i hope you guys enjoyed it fascinating conversation there with john back anything you want to add for we get out of here but no man i did you think this is a unique time and i know we always get caught up in the quarterback and this always more fun for us from a content producer standpoint when quarterbacks are involved at the top of the draft. I think this year. We're talking about special quarterbacks. I think we'll be talking about for long. No doubt well there you go hope you guys enjoyed. That enjoyed that conversation play more content. Coming your way here. I'll move the sticks be on the lookout for the digital show. The tv show path draft every day. Just turn on the tv or nfl dot com. You'll find us. We've got a lot going on Appreciate you guys hanging with today. We'll catch you next time right here on move sticks presented by castrol edge. Thanks for downloading. Move the sticks with daniel jeremiah. 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Niner Nate-tion Podcast: Kyle puts the nail in Jimmy + Hot take hotline questions

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Niner Nate-tion Podcast: Kyle puts the nail in Jimmy + Hot take hotline questions

"Now that the nfl draft is here you need to subscribe to the sba nation nfl. Show our team of national and local. Experts have the nfl draft covered from every angle. Plus we're bringing in big name guests and leading mind from around the industry subscribe to the espy nation. Nfl show wherever you got your podcast for the best coverage of the nfl draft and beyond hello and welcome to the niners station podcasts. And who knows we might be dead on sunday but hey at least. We're here for you this week with as always leo luna of forty nine gold mine. How are you doing man. You got me cracking up with We might be dead on sunday. She if you don't get the head joke It's it's definitely all over the internet. Now with kyle shanahan a basically stating that in his presser. I'm feeling great. Had a had some great great food for the mom's birthday Went to a a restaurant in downtown or old town of san diego so had some seafood. Had some kind of Had some chicken as well so feeling alive. I'm going to say especially since sunday yet. It's not it's not sunday and so hopefully this is the last episode. You hear from us. But i mean this is it. This is the final show. Before the niners make the most important decision in the history of the organization. And i mean they had a press conference today that was originally supposed to just be john lynch and at the last minute in and said. Screw you guys. I'm coming in and he decided to show up to give the perfect quote. When asked you know. can you give us. Can you tell us the jimmy. Garoppolo is for sure gonna be on this team on sunday. Kyle responded just like this. I can't guarantee that anybody in the world will be alive sunday. So i can't guarantee he'll be on our roster on sunday so that goes for all of us so now you hear why it's so funny. It can't believe he said that. I mean what do you think this presser. It felt like kyle was kind of pissed off yet. it seemed to me much ado about nothing The biggest thing i took away from it was kyle shanahan shaved and that he cannot guarantee the life of any human being but decides that it just seems like they know who their guys and they don't give a crap who the media is going to say who their guy is. They could care less because what house dated is. They don't want to tip their hand to any team in the nfl That doesn't help them by doing so. If anything it can help other teams they get zero. Benefit by saying is or turning down any type of rumor. So that's the thing i took out of. It is whatever you see from these astronauts media members and what they're trying to tie the Don't stress about it because shanahan's not john lynch is not and it appears they have their guy. It's what i can guarantee it's in be one of the three. We've been talking about for a long time. Yeah exactly. And i mean the biggest thing with this was you know it felt like kyle was almost mad about the way that people have been talking about him in some ways and he was kinda defensive. And it's like it's felt for the longest time like the whole mack. Jones thing has been like a smokescreen put on by the nfl specifically and i think part of it is also the forty niners. Don't want league. Who is going to be three. Because they wanna make sure that the jets are going to take saq wilson so they can take they want but at the same time. It's just like it felt like kyle was kind of sick of the whole mack jones thing because i mean don't wrong. No one asked in this press conference specifically like you know anything about fields or lance. They only asked about mack jones and kyle was just kinda like what someone asked him like. What did you think amac jones and his answer was like something like i. I like him in all four other quarterbacks. And it's like you can't even say what you like about mack jones like it just felt like kyle was pretty done with the way that this has happened since the trade very different way conducting himself was very different in this press conference than it was when they after they made the trade. Obviously i would say the thing is also not to be as vote. Something that caught. My eye is shanahan has never done a pre-draft presser. It's always been john linked by himself but now call shan was included on it. So that tells me this. Is kyle shanahan. Decision here Whether ovallis kyle's decision to be involved in the presser or was john lynch decision to ask kyle to be involved in the presser. Would i take from it is that this is kyle shanahan decision. Not john lynch. Do i believe cow shannon has taken. Everybody's input absolutely But is he at the end of the day making the decision. Yes and it seems like that's something we all knew all along that it was gonna be kyle shanahan getting his guy and the fact that he was involved in today's presser answering the questions being on the front line of the heat essentially proves if anybody else had any other doubt as far as like oh. It's going to be the front office having the final say. No this is. Kyle shanahan final. Say so whoever they select at three. It's kyle shanahan decision and honestly like whatever quarterback they take it kyle. Shanahan had this much balls to make this move for that guy. I'm gonna ride with coach. I'm gonna ride with coach because you're investing three first round picks on him and if an offensive genius kyle shanahan is willing to invest much draft capital. Move off a guy that he has a winning record with the only quarterback in the nfl winning record with as a head coach. That's that's the only comfort zone. I have a pig is not just field. The that's the that's my only comfort blanket to say gal. Shane hale willing willing to do all of this is willing to do of this for someone he believes in so he can make me a believer in that way. But i do believe as of today wall record this justin feels is see. You're supposed to leave the end. There's at least some suspense definitely. Oh let's fine at the end of the show. We're going to give our final pigs for who will be number three kind of like a little bit of prediction. What might happen on draft night but you know it felt like this was kind of the beginning of the end with this. You know we we. We saw those guys talk one more time before the next time they talk they will have picked at three in between them. And you know it just feels like a one piece of information that actually did get those news but like the rest of it really felt like it was then kinda talking a little bit about how they're feeling about the pick and and honestly i don't know if this is just meal i'm gonna ask you this but it felt like kyle trolled the media a little bit today like i feel like kyle's just been having fun with this whole thing and he's kinda he's kind of having fun and he's sort of done at the same time they just feels like at. This point like kyle knows who. It's going to be on thursday. And i think that he's not gonna tell you he's not going to tell anybody. And i think on thursdays is gonna come down to you. Know roger goodell announcing this decision that we've been pondering for over a month and a half. That's my i say right now. My my mental therapy is held at the san francisco. Giants are doing but my realty when it comes to the forty niners of mental therapy. Is that on thursday night. Before i go to sleep. I know who this pick is. And once roger goodell says that name we know what direction they're in we know basically what other moves are going to be made corresponding to that and it's kind of surreal because you and i've been talking about this for months months and after all of this conversation goes away by roger goodell reading a little piece of paper. This whole conversations. We've had for this long on twitter on the podcasts. It just evaporates back willingly it. It's kind of surreal. It is surreal. And i think it's like at this point. I'm like i'm ready for it to happen. I can't. I can't fathom how excited i am to finally know who the hell the quarterback is going to be for the four nights for the next five years and i think that it's actually going to be kind of weird because we're not we're gonna have to start talking about some new things on the show every week as the closer to the season. But let's get into some of these questions before we talk a little bit about what we think's going to happen on thursday night we got some voicemails and we got a couple messages from you guys. We're going to start with our first voicemail. This is from david Let's hear the boys monroe quick. This is forbidden. Nate and leo's show niner nation My question is i know. The quarterback role is probably the most important role at this point. But what could be the second most important role for the niners to acquire so here he basically asking. What's the second most important thing like so quarterback. Obviously we've been saying for months. Is the number one most important thing in all of the draft and all of the niners so now we have to actually think you know what's the second most important position. I think there's a couple that we've talked about on the show. That could be the second. But i'll let you go. I like what do you think is the second most important position. The niners have to get right for them to continue to be a super bowl contender in this draft first off. I want to see them get to the playoffs. I think this is as super bowl containing roster because it's the top five roster. It's a top five rosser house inada super bowl containing roster But i want to see them in the playoffs. I before i throw out that word. But i think what could excel. This team is going to be another skill position player whether it's a wide receiver or running back this offensive line especially the addition of alex. Mack you guys have heard me say that quite a bit. I they at their quarterback on the offensive line. That's nicole Different defensive looks Titan legit in. George kittle if they do decide to throw to walk ross twenty twenty times on the season he has a pretty darn good. Qb rating wind targets up tied. Into that i would like athletic guy just for my personal satisfaction tied in that runs like four or five rather than roswell closer to a five flat four or five but hey he gets the job done and then When you look at the defense granted those corner stay healthy. Legit starting corners legit starting safeties. legit defensive line legit linebackers. If you're going with rookie quarter quarterback you gotta surround him with talent you got. Deebo samuel got brandon you which are very nice players xiang Jefferson junior who are nice running backs that i think they are missing a piece there To where whether it's a third wide receiver someone that you can trust. Say that kendrick bourne role I do believe they need to feel that. I like richie james. Junior justin fields If he is the quarterback he's expected to elevate their third wide receiver. Like much of the quarterbacks do on their roster the nfl Because i think richie james is more than capable to do so as a third wide receiver. He's basically a fourth wide receiver view. Include george kittle in the passing game So whether they wanna feel that may get a bump over itchy james With a better talent in the second round like an elijah more or or someone of that caliber or in the running back position. While we're he. Moser jeff wilson are nice. I would be very happy to see an elite talent like najji harris devante. Williams travis e. t. n. In the backfield. I know they say shanahan. Turn an undrafted free agent into a top of the half running backs in the league great. That is cool I do enjoy that because you get great value when that happens but would not mind seeing in elite talent at the running back position yes. Terrell davis was an undrafted free agency. You know he wasn't a first round. Pick under mike shanahan in denver but at the end of the day. He was an elite talent kyle. Shanahan hasn't really had his terrell davis if he could get a najji harris or a. Okay giovanni williams travis. Dtn at 'em mean to say their full names all over again but hey we're here if he could get one of those three guys. He completes his terrell davis in what happened when mike shanahan had his terrell davis. They want to super bowls when mike shanahan didn't have his davis. They didn't win any super bowls. Kyle shanahan has yet to win any superbowls rather he moser was pretty damn close to to terrell davis production by the end of the two thousand nineteen season. And that's what i mean if you could get that production but from constant standpoint from week one throughout the playoffs. Now we're talking about you know just just in a dynamic offense that it's gonna be very difficult to stop in and we did that in two thousand nineteen with jimmy garoppolo under center so dynamically maker whether it's the wide receiver. That's fine that's cool but if you give me. A terrell davis type of production from the running back position may be that that limits where he most pro reps per game in the where he most. There's not missing any games in you. Have him in there with his crazy. High career rushing yards per attempt average. Sweet just gimme that elite production from again. Go gimme one of those guys. One of those three support for this episode comes from locker room the app. That's changing the way we talk. Sports locker room is a sports fans. Dream come true. It's alive audio platform that lets you connect with other fans experts. And even the athletes themselves locker room makes it easy to start your own conversations. Talk about the latest rumors takes news and teams you care about most join massive watch parties for all of your friends to react together in real time as you celebrate a buzzer beater or suffer the agony of crucial bricks. Free throw. and if you've got a bunch of supremely spicy takes you'd like to fire off during luck can even record the conversations if you want and released as a podcast. So it's time to start thinking about catchy titles it's all totally free available at the app store right now so go. Download it today. Locker room changing the way we talk sports. I think i think you're right. I think that's that's the right answer here. Obviously to be different. Because i want to get the same exact answer but i totally agree with you. I think that is the second most important thing in this draft. But i think that if you're taking further what the next important positions i think another edge rusher another really good edge rusher maybe the second or third round. It would be huge joe. Tyron out of washington I think would be really good to pair with bosa and you know you think having edge rusher you can never have enough of them. Having d. tackles you can never have enough of them. They proved that with an elite edge. Russian elite pass rush. They can make the super bowl. And if nick boasts comes back and he's the guy that he was or even close to the guy. He was his rookie season than there goes. The team's going to have a great pass. Rush and ebbed cams going to be huge for that. I think kinlaw is gonna take him their step out of you seen pictures of kinlaw yet lately. That man is massive like he looks like the mountain. from game of thrones. It's insane. How big that dude is. And if he can play as big as he is on totally down for that. I think that you know defensive. Line is what this brought this team to the super bowl in the first place. And i think if they can get better quarterback play and they won't work how shannon doesn't have to take the ball away from his quarterback and go to the run game where they run the ball a million times. Then it's going to just make it even easier to win super bowl over buffalo or cleveland or kansas city. Or anything like that. Those are going to be the team's your policy in the super bowl you know saying jr cleveland's a little crazy. But you know what. I mean like or the colts may be like with. If you have an elite pass rush you will be able to beat those teams and that's all you have to do is once you get there because you know. I think they're like we said top. Five rosser i think they're better than most teams in the nfc. When the league pass rush they can take the will out of another team and you know they can score points willingly on anybody. But i i agree to freer. I answer was perfect. An elite kept pass catcher slash. Running back. I think that'd be amazing. Acquire in the draft. Be really exciting to pair with your new quarterback. Honestly i think i think even the past rushing route answers perfect to get get close as two thousand nineteen as possible from a pass rush perspective from what we saw in two thousand nineteen because look what they did to aaron freaking rogers rogers like he didn't face the forty niners that we saw that he saw in two thousand twenty And what happened. He ended up winning. Mvp he didn't really have any games like he did Besides that one game on the road in tampa and you saw who's the other competition in the nfc beside save the forty niners are containing will be the packers. Okay you get you get that pass. Rush fold aaron rodgers tampa. Like you just said you. Will tom brady if you get that. Pass rush russell wilson. Whether this like he literally almost lost a game the better but because it was cj beathard they won that game. The forty niners Get closest thousand. Nineteen as possible with that pass rush. They could be pretty deadly. They they really could. This one is more so this question is this. The voicemails not really a question. But i think it's interesting. You listen to a real quick and then comment on what you think. This is dave something i wanted to mention. I was listening to the pod today. And you know Everybody kind of goes back to you. Know came back to beat out to j. hurts and then they always say well you know. Justice fields didn't beat out Who was it I guess georgia. Well guess remember that. Apparently play on the baseball team Made a racial slur towards I don't know if it was towards fields or just in general. That actually was the main reason field georgia so we didn't come down to him. Beating him out I think it was more of like you know he did not feel comfortable with the people there and and whatnot. I just wanted to mention that Because again people always throw around. Oh he couldn't be out I think really had to do with that. That makes us keep up. What you guys doing Listen every day and go niners all right so you listen to that and you know it makes more sense. I think we talked a little bit. About why fields left georgia. And i think a lot of people you know. Come up with this question. Will if matt couldn't beat out to look at look at just feels. He couldn't beat out. Jake from and we all know where jake fromm is and so you know this kind of makes little more sense to why he decided to leave georgia and good ohio state. What do you think So i heard something similar Basically the same exact exact story that he stating there a lot of it was that he lost trust within within the university When sarah racial slur happened to him he he expected more from the university to basically say like not even him. As his profile being doi- athle- being you know qb one essentially coming in since and straight farmers off to the new england patriots and then being a mlb talent that was supposed to be drafted. He expected more as far as being treated as a person. Not a celebrity. If that makes sense Just for the human rights perspective and when he saw that they dropped the ball on basically did nothing. that's what led him to being out Nothing i is just he. He is mature in a way tour. Wasn't like hey. I have to be the quarterback because on the better guy you know he he took it like he has low packages where he came out onto the field but he mostly was on the bench so he was maturing that way he he didn't force sanest stardom little upset about not playing since he was obviously better than jake forum in. Who knows maybe they were in a national championship conversation if he was starting overtake from but it was that baseball incident that just was the final straw that led him transferring ultimately to how state. Jake fromm is a buffalo bill by the way. That's what i meant bills. We'll see if he's there earlier. Yeah i'm hearing he's gonna get cut and camp this year. He's just a useless. He sucks and i think they signed trubisky or something like that. So maybe he's better. Who knows anyways. But yeah no totally. It makes sense from what i've heard you know like i've never been much like. Oh well. he quit on his team. I know. I don't think that's what it is. I just think that you know. He's a highly mature guy. And i think that you know there are certain things that happen in life where you know you don't want to be around that and you know you find a different place than you know obviously found his way in ohio state and i think that you know if you think about the quarterback have gone to ohio state in the past you know. He may not have won the national championship. Like some other guys did. But i think that the stats and the stuff he was able to do. I think he'll be one of the best quarterbacks that the nf in the nfl at least that ohio state has ever produced. I think that you can see it on tape when you watch him and i think that you know him transferring doesn't make me feel any different about about the player. Let's get to one more voicemail. This is travis and basically He's talking a little bit about alabama. Appreciate all you guys podcasts. Been listening for quite a while now. I don't miss one at least so the question is how much stock can be. Put into this idea. That shanahan and lynch you know. Stay away from alabama kids Because you know they got burned by foster in just. How much should we consider that when all this talk about mack jones is going on. It just seems like to me. It's just really surprising. Because they have picked anyone from alabama. So is this just all of a sudden gonna stop and other gonna be okay. And they've given you know alabama they're cold shoulder for long enough for what So i was just curious about that but Yeah keep the rock and roll and you guys are doing awesome. And i appreciate it. So he's asking you. Why do the niners shy away from alabama players and you know. We saw what happened with reuben foster. But what do you think leo when it comes to. You know the niners dealing with alabama nick sabin and such. I honestly think that's a great point but to to second that it's when they have their guy they have guy in. They don't need nick. Saban's validation for that guy. I think a player like mark jones. They would need nick savings validation. So is just really hard for me to think that mcdonalds would be the pick considering the history with alabama. This is where i would you know tied into. I think nausea harris is someone that they don't need nick's validation for So essentially it's a player by player basis it isn't solely based on that bad taste. That was left by nick. Sabin and reuben foster in that in that drop process. So i don't think it's mac jones and if it was mack jones they would definitely need need nick sabin to sell that to them. And it's just gonna be really hard to have an acceleration. Nick sabin sila with that ad history there. I think there is something to it. I think that like the reuben foster thing was weird. But i mean i everyone would have said basically said after foster like oh if they took reuben foster at three. I wouldn't have been mad because he was such talent. And you know the reason that you did fall as well. As far as he did was because of the fact that this kind of stuff was going on around about like people were saying it about them and so you know with through in foster thing is just like that was just bad luck. I think but at the same time. Like i do think that probably hurt their trust with nick. Sabin as you know as a head coach and evaluating players an. I'm with you. It's not mac. But i mean i think that they could go take a nagae and they wouldn't have to talk to sabin nevada. I think that you know bay area. Kid obviously wants to be a minor works but off. You know that's like the guy that i think they're looking for and i think they would need to sabin for. Let's just answer a couple more questions and then we'll talk about you. Know will give our final predictions before we sign off before the draft. This on twitter. This at slippery. Solomon he says can they move back from forty three and still get to second-day picks they currently have no picks between forty three and one hundred to sixty selections the long way time between two and three. What do you think well i think. One of those picks are not going to be selected in that in that spot. Whether it's forty three they're moving up for playmaker on either side of the ball. They're gonna move up if they don't move up from forty three. They're gonna move up one or two. I ultimate ultimately believe that because like you said there. That is a long wait. You're essentially waiting about two rounds because at third round selection is Pick a compaq is basically an early fourth. Is you wanna look at it. 'cause it's after the whole entire third round picks their picks and then you have that little little selection of the complex. They're basically the early fourth I don't think they're gonna pick in in both spots I'll be very shocked. If the if they pick at forty three and they pick out one or two. I'll i'll just literally. I'll be shocked. One of those pigs are being moved up on. I don't think it gets trade. I don't think forty-three gets traded back for more capital because they already have nine draft picks to begin with how many realistically is going to make the rosser hell. They had five draft picks last season in. Only four of those made the roster. Because john jennings remember he didn't make the roster out of camp so if you had four out of five make the rosser last season. Are we really banking on nine out of nine on on a team. That already has over. Eighty guy signed That doesn't even include the second wave of free agency that we're supposed to see or i don't want you know. Go too much into it. Or if jimmy garoppolo is not on the roster you just freed up twenty million. Let's get into. Let's talk about it. Like jimmy garoppolo going to get moved most likely and that's going to be a second round pick and they're going to use these picks to move up to get better players because they are a team that is so close to winning now. They with adjusting fields or trey lance or mack jones. They could potentially be a team that with higher quality players. They're going to win now. And so if i'm then yeah i have my sixth and seventh round guy. Sure i've got those picks. But i'm using my picks that already have to move up high earlier in the draft to get better players to get my players and i think that jimmy garoppolo is going to get moved this weekend like i don't think it's a hot take anymore. The way they talk anybody can die this weekend. We can die on sunday. Makes me think that there's probably something in the works. Maybe new england chicago denver. Something's already in the works. And i think jimmy garoppolo getting moved this weekend. So ideally he gets moved for a second round pick that they can then use to get better players or they can move to trade to get better players. I mean that's that's the thing is like. I think that they want to have as many early picks as possible because they think that they're there and the later picks aren't going to make the roster like you just said. Yeah i i i really do. Think one of those selections are not gonna like. I'm willing to bet more on that than the money already. Put on fields being coming a forty niner That's how much confidence. I have in regards to them. Moving out of that spot. And when i say out of that spot not trading back. One of those pixar being moved up on. 'cause we're talking about around here for a team. That's if you're rookie. Quarterback is starting you need another playmaker. Mohamed sanu is not that playmaker charles. Benjamin is not that playmate river cray craft all probably great guys out love to share an ip with a on me even though there are the rich ones ip a on me with one of those three is. Hey it's essentially on them. But if i'm convinced name them to have a drink with me it's probably going to have to be on me. But's it's it you add. Add that playmaker surround your rookie with talent. I bring up the running back position. It's not sexy because shanahan scheme could get production mostly from anybody Yet while this shanahan scheme does get production from mostly anyone. I like jeff wilson junior but he has seven games of ten plus carries. He only had more than four yards per carry onto two of those seven. That's inefficient the guy they just signed from the new york giants wayne gaughman. He averaged two point five yards after first contact where he moster did not even average to jeff wilson junior. Who's a power runner. Average two point two so while i do like the running back room currently. I'm not going to shy away from getting a whole lot better. So if they want trae jimmy garoppolo for two and now up to second round picks and use that to go trade up into the late first dodgy aries. Sign me up. You have five years of control five years of control of an elite running back whether you want to pay a running back or not. I'm not even gonna in entertain that discussion. Because one najji has become a forty niner for me to entertain that too. I had to see production from najji to entertain that but regardless you will have five years of control you could say four minimum because five if they don't pick up fifth year option but there's no reason why you wouldn't if you have a talent like not yours in a shanahan sqi sign me up. I just don't get it So yet jake out trade. Jimmy were two right now if that tells me nayar is coming to the forty niners. I think that they're going to try and pick high an early. I think that's a herb starting as low as early whatever to get more players that are gonna make this team. Let's answer one more question. And then we'll get into our final final final prediction of what's going to happen on friday. This is at ian g. Fifty fifty eight g seventy eight. Stay up and watch the draft. he's uk based. I guess if so as a forty niners fan which day of the draft you think will be the key and hold the most excitement as my decisions on your input. While i'm gonna go first on this one. I think it's going to be the first round because even after three. I think that the forty nine might get back into the first round again. I think that that. I think that the baltimore ravens at pick thirty one or a really good trade candidate for the forty niners to get back in and get najji harris before day too. I think that does not take. I guess i'm kinda living my hand go a little bit but i think that after they get the the quarterback. I think it's gonna be a lot of excitement which will allow you to just kinda enjoy reading media and twitter and having a good time after the pick and then i wouldn't be surprised if come towards the other night the niners trade back into the first and there's another pick that night. I think the second night is going to be interesting but the third the third is is kind of a wash. You can watch it from your phone and just kinda see the pictures they come up because it's sixth and seventh round guys and yes. Sometimes they exciting you get you know. Sometimes you get a george kittle or something like that out of there but usually you know it's this first two nights and i think that the first night it's gonna be the most exciting because you have a brand new franchise quarterback. There's just so much excitement and so many things going on that you know you wanna be part of it. I think that staying up will be worth it for the draft on thursday for sure just because if it is who we think it is. It's gonna be. I mean it's going to be shocking and you're gonna have a lot of fun talking smack a lot of blue check marks and a lot of talking heads if nate is right on say that thirty first big because i think it's smart like they just traded away. Their tackle like the ravens are very well built team but they do have some pieces that they do need to fill. Guard tack will playmaker Defensive side as well like the. They're not done building. I don't think they have a better roster than the forty niners. They just have the quarterback position figured out. That's the only difference. So that's good spot if that is where they do trade up at say for running back even if it's travis tin I say now she harris alive. Because i know the forty niners do have a ton of in him and he someone that was really pissed when the forty niners moved from thirteen to three or sees me moved from twelve to three because he thought he could have been the pig at twelve based on the conversations he was having with the forty niners and he said obviously they're not taking a damn running back at pick three but i bring that up if nato's right by time pick three and thirty one happens or or wherever the ravens are drafting. Take like a three hour nap. And then you can wake up for that trait because the first for hounded the very very very long I do believe they. Trade up from forty three. I don't know if it's going to be a first round. Pick that they move. Four could be second round in. They see who falls out of the. I get very aggressive. But i would not be surprised if it is within the first round because of that year option. It does come in handy in. The team has asthma multiple first round picks in the past. They seem to like it. They didn't hit the first time with reuben. Foster and solomon thomas. Neither of those guys saw fifth year option and reuben foster didn't even see more than a year and a half on the team. And then did it again with kinlaw and i you obviously. They got kinlaw because of the buckner deal but they're cuss knuckled. Her uses you win and you. You enjoy that luxury when it happens when you get two picks his Luxury and who knows this front office could enjoy that enough to where they moved. Jimmy garoppolo because someone's getting left at the altar whether it's the chicago bears. I know they. Called andy dalton. Qb wine. I don't know how much i believe in that. Because freaking dalton a could be the washington football team is all. They have is fitzpatrick. All fitzpatrick he's trendy. He's cool but he's a cool. Qb to or qb one for four weeks And then you have the elephant in the room. New england patriots. One of those teams are pittsburgh. Steelers ben roethlisberger. He sucks now. Just retire those. Few teams are being left at the roster roster alter and it forty niners good take advantage in a second round pick from one of those four teams use those two twos now to move up into the first to get their guy whether it's a wide receiver running back cornerback. Edge rusher something. I would not be shocked. Because in fifty percent of their drafts the other day completed four in fifty percent of those they had multiple first round picks it could again. I even if it's two twos plus a seven that they all it can happen again. Stay up buddy. Stay out for the first night. It's going to be a doozy alright. Radio this is it. This is the final prediction. This is the one that will be based on. We are now through. We're less than three days away from this thing. There will be a new quarterback in san francisco by the next time. You hear our voices on on this show nervous and so we thinking about three and thinking about the research we've done and the different people we've had on the millions of people. We've talked to on twitter. Are you ready. Pick at three your quarterback. Do you wanna go see ought to go first. You go first. Because i kind of threw it in there. You know. i'm a terrible producer. I you know. I know i spoiled it. Okay okay go ahead. Go are bleep it. I'll go first. Okay you go first okay. So this is my thing it you cannot tell me. They're investing three ones for guy that they don't know who who it is. You cannot tell me that early on in the process. A quarterback was working with john. Belk someone called and trust very much. And then you have a mac jones who has off field issues. Who has stuff on tape. That that's nice but it isn't that screams elite talent. Good talent someone you could take at twelve and nabi mad abell but not invest three first round picks. Just one two would be a stretch but it could happen three. No thank you I think kyle shanahan has that same philosophy. So now i'm crossing jones l. piper john belk state in a podcast on kmby are will not a podcast. But they uploaded like it one and he's dated. Kyle shanahan really big on feet. The feet and is together that creates timing that creates accuracy. I don't see that in watching trae lance state seems like his eyes and his brain is ahead of his feet. Tends to be late tends to be inaccurate and he barely started working with john two weeks ago. I think john is the bible. He's not the end all be all when it comes to evaluating the quarterback position for college in hand but does he significance. Yeah i do believe. So kyle shanahan stated in the presser today a jew breeze that can move. Like lamar jackson sues out me could match on the possibly. Yeah you know. He's good within the pocket. He's accurate it well within the system. Does he move like lamar jackson. No for the permit could trae lance via drew brees from the by. Yeah possibilities you know. He was already calling audibles as a nineteen year. old know. Granted was the f. c. s. So they don't really in on the. Fcs what you see is what you get there. They're not really disguising much. So you gotta take that into consideration like cool dude understand the basic look great. Good for him he should but does he also move like lamar jackson. Yes little little too much for my preference Because it is very taxing the hits you get in the. Nfl is completely different than the hits. You yet from the fcs completely like different. I don't think is running. Ability will translate completely. Will he still be a valuable rusher. Valuable ball carrier. Could he still rank you be power. Could he still run. Qb sweet absolutely is he in a look like a man among spoi- like he did add more north dakota no i don't think so. He feels more of the lamar jackson role. Lanced us than he does with the drew. Brees roll like there's work that has to be there. Lance fits that seventy five percent. What are we here. Fields heels fits the accuracy. It's the feet and then fits the mobility not to lamar jackson statue. Of course last time. We've seen omar. Jackson was michael vick literally. That's that's the last time it. It does not happen very often but can move one hundred percents if you need him to pick up a third in twelve thirty and twelve with his legs which is not very easy. I don't think jimmy garoppolo has ever picked up a third and twelve with his legs if you need fields to absolutely you can get that done. So we're not talking about checks. The box fifty percent on that mold. Cal shanahan us as an example. We're not talking seventy five percent. We're talking one hundred percent here. So that's why no matter what i see from rappaport. Look if i'm wrong. Okay you know. I'm just putting pieces together listening to myself based on. What is me also The conversations i hear from people. I don't really wanna say sources because i i do believe shanahan in is the only one that truly knows i would say lynch and adam peters as well is not coming from one of those three guys. I'm not gonna say oh. It's it because this person told me. But i do hear things that that fields is the pick and if it's not then hey i was wrong. That's fine that's fine. You know it happens. Nobody but nobody bats thousand helen. Not even four hundred and you hit thirty percent. You're a great year in all star and that's kind of what it's like in the draft process as well if if you hit thirty percent on your draft predictions your goddamn grew so i just hope. Justin field is part of my thirty percents correct analysis in. That's when my gut is telling me that's what my mind is me and that's what my network is telling me. So that's three for three. It's gotta be justin fields. What you said was is interesting from everything you know. We've heard all the rappaport we've heard all the schefter we'd heard all of it right and it's always said mack jones trae lance and it's been weird that nothing's ever said justin fields on it specifically and it brings me back to the pro day with just some fields where there's that video it's only fourteen seconds long but the way that shannon just filter talking i've never seen jimmy garoppolo and kyle shanahan talk that way and yes. They probably have talked that way but not in that way they talk and that the rumor of that talk was that it was thirty five minutes long. They talk for a while and they talk like they were old friends and it just nothing has ever said to me. That kyle wants to take a risk on a tray lance only out there for three or four hours. Max jones is not the pick guys. It's not there's no way. They're taking mack jones. I don't think there's any way they take mack jones on thursday. It's never made sense. There's been no back no coaching. No talking to the coaches know talking to the parents nothing. there's nothing that's ever linked jones and shanahan. Except for these talking heads blue checkmark reports lance could very. Well be the pick on thursday. It very well could be trae lance and they're just ready to you. Know he shanahan likes his upsides wants to picture lands over justin fields. But if i'm picking who is going to go three on thursday. I'm gonna take justin fields. Because i think that he has the best upside. I think that you can go out there. And as long as he plays decent and if he and if he plays up to what. Justin herbert did last year. This is a team that can go right back to the super bowl and this is a team that can go win. A super bowl if he plays like justin justin. Her played so well last year. That if he was on this forty niners team they probably would have been better than tampa bay and so i'm taking justin fields to be the picket three. I think that it's the best pick to make. I think that a lot of the reason that we've seen so much. Smoke is because the forty niners are still afraid that the jets might do a jets thing and not. Take zack wilson. And so they're keeping quiet. I think that there's also some stuff going on with the nfl. To make this thing the most strapped ever. I think there's also ways they're trying to get rid of jimmy garoppolo and i think by saying mac as the pick at three. It leads to people thinking well. We might miss out on something and the teams of masan quarterback. There's jimmy garoppolo for you. If your defense is good enough you might when you some games. everything. I've seen everything i've on my own eyes and have been told by people anything i've ever listened anything i've read. It's felt like it's justin feels and if it's not doesn't feel that's fine like you said i could be wrong but i think it should be just fields trae lance. I don't see any world where it's mac jones. I just don't see a possibility that kyle would take that many picks and trade up for mac freaking jones when trae lance and justin fields are there and people continue to forget justin fields and kyle shanahan have a relationship. They've known each other for a long time. This isn't a new relationship. This is the first time they met he met trae lance for the first time a couple of weeks ago he's known just field for over five years. The pick is just add fields. The niners are going to take just fields with the third overall. Pick on thursday. That's how i honest to god veal. And if i'm wrong i'm wrong but this is the most sure i've been of something when it comes to this football team in a long time. I'm more sure of that. I was stafford was going to be a minor. I'm more sure of at jimmy. Gruden jimmy garoppolo's getting Traded and i still think jimmy garoppolo getting traded. But i think justin feels is going to be a san francisco. Forty nine on thursday after pictures announced yet and i did state. That just feels worked with john. Belk right after the national championship while hell justin feels has worked with. Qb collective for years so in order to for you to make that move from twelve to three and gave up what you gave up. You have to have competence in the guy. Does shanahan had have that much competence in trae lance. That early in the process did he. Did he have that much confidence in mag jones. That early in the process did he or did he have that much confidence for quarterback that he's had relationships with whether it was third party relationships or if it was firsthand relationships regardless of the matter is known this kid for a long damn time time. Bring justin fields to the bay. Bring him to the bay. It's going to happen. I say that confidently. I just think that when you trade to three you don't trade to three being like well. Maybe it's this guy you trade to three knowing that there's a guy the confidence and when kyle shanahan says you know we saw five guys we liked. Well yeah okay. Five guys you liked. But who are you confident enough to make the starting quarterback because that guy is probably going to be the pick and that guy is justin fields. You know the media wants you to believe it was mack jones. Kyle's never even seen mack jones before that david. He went down to any salmon alabama and he was not impressive. there's quotes or people said. That was one of the worst days they've seen it's just field. It has to be justin fields after the pick. Isn after the pig is named on enjoy my hundred and forty dollar profit that i i'm gonna make once it's just in fields but ma'am and i wish i bet more than twenty five dollars on already know it ought to be like honey. We would have been rich if i bet savings on it. And i'm gonna tell myself that but hey regardless if it's just in fields i'm going to be happy if i won zero dollars or a million dollars like to me can't even put a number on it because i know this team will be contending franchise for the next fifteen years minimum. Yeah no i feel like. This is the best quarterback. They've had since if they know this and he is who he think he is. Justin fields will be the next great forty niners quarterback and it won't be a five year thing. It won't be a seven year thing. It'll be a fifteen year thing. This will be the quarterback of the future for a long time. And i just i just think they got it. They know what they're doing. They're going to get it right. And i think that we're going to be really happy thursday night on you know. Nine hundred nations livestream. I think on your on gold mines lashed. I think everybody is going to be in a really good mood. Thursday night after pick three. And that's going to do it for us. This is the last show for the draft will be back next week after the draft is over will break down. All the draft picks justin fields included and enjoy the draft. I mean leo's anything. You wanna plug before before the other show. If you guys are on twitter instagram. You know where to find me. Leela ninety three but as always more in week content youtube search for the school mine. You'll find myself on their. You'll find nate on there and We just look for talking a draft with you guys in in continue this coverage post draft talked training camp. Talk many cam you know. Hopefully they get more than twenty eight days this season before the season starts. And i appreciate if you'd listen this within the podcasts. Appreciate you guys as always appreciate everything appreciate all the listens. We got during this process before the draft. I mean we try to have a lot of different guests on a lot of different people to give you a lot of different opinions and we hope you enjoyed that you know. Enjoy the draft. Follow me at nine. Eight forty nine. We'll be live on niners nation all night. We'll have a. We'll have a podcasts up. As soon as the is done Is not much. I can say just no matter what. Don't screw this up shanahan. we'll see an actually

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REShow: Brian Billick - Hour 2 (04-28-21)

The Rich Eisen Show

54:37 min | 5 months ago

REShow: Brian Billick - Hour 2 (04-28-21)

"Of hotel though this is the rich eisen show with guest host. Dan halley from the rich eisen. Show studio in los angeles. Coach bernard there is no official. Kyle shanahan fact that he is basically saying yeah. I check twitter sometimes after a big win or loss. I love earlier on the show. Nfl network analyst. Brian baldinger coming a super bowl. Winning head coach. Brian billick quarterback coach. John beck and now sitting in for red then heli what is up everybody. Dan halley sitting in for rich. Who is currently in cleveland. We're gonna be catching up with him coming up in just a few minutes. Get ready to host the draft of course on nfl network. You're gonna be able to watch that on multiple platforms very much looking forward to that. So dan halley alongside. Chris brockman jason feller filling in for mike del tufo and of course. Tj jefferson in the house. Well top of hour number two. How about a little news. Update from brockman brockton brother. Let's go with a report of the day's news from the world of sports entertainment. Someone who is not a journalist or news man by any definition of the word whatsoever. Which chris brockman is. Let's just take a spin around here in the national football where you can talk about some of the top headlines mentioned at the end of last hour. Well let's hit on again antonio brown re-signing with tampa bay buccaneers on a one year deal per antonio brown's agents three point one million guaranteed two million dollar signing bonus can be worth up to six point two five million dollars if antonio reaches certain incentives. That means all of tampa's offense and defense coming back. Do you think the bucks are super bowl. Favorites dan halley hundred percent. Let's think about. They did last year in a condensed off season with tom. Brady having a workout with guys in public parks in around tampa antonio brown reporting midseason. They win the super bowl. They have everybody back. I guess it's gonna be a different offseason to they're gonna virtual workouts which they are initially not as but they're going to have a lot more work together and they have last year you know in their back pocket already do this is this is insane and i think with antonio getting some of the off the field issue solved is going to make things a little bit easier for him to focus on football. So this is. This is almost unfair. That at some point. Tom brady is going to have to go into decline. You would think right at some point. Maybe that fifty. I don't know when it's going to be but the fact that he's going to have gronk back. In abe and by chris godwin healthier mike evans going to be healthier. This is unfair to the rest of the national football. It's unfair like just put them and give given lombardi trophy. It's over it's done. It's a wrap. Lock your walking it in cold. Lock six the one. let's go. let's us i meant. Actually i'm going to vegas on monday. I will give you some yeah. Let's talk i will So a team that they beaten superbowl kansas city. They made a move. They acquired orlando brown from baltimore. We talked john harbaugh yesterday. you know had a little hesitation about kind of trading guys going to be a starting left tackle for a team to a to another team that they're gonna have to go through in the playoffs But said hey look we're gonna take on all comers we play with our schedule in will gladly take on that competition got got some got an ice hall back for orlando brown also We took notice other people taking notice. The ravens have yet to exercise. Lamar jackson's fifth year option have not given him a big contract extension. That other quarterbacks have gotten a lot of people reading into that. We asked john harbaugh. That said it's not a big deal. His guarantee they guarantee that he's going to pick up lamar's fifth year and then i'm sure they'll work on a contract extension with the former. Mvp do you think this is a big deal or is it just kind of you know something that teams do wait until after the draft to kinda make these contract maneuvers. I don't want to say non story but it's a very small story because there's there's no doubt in my mind that they come to a long term agreement is just how. How much are they going to have to pay him with some of the quarterback money. That's been out there with the. You know the homes deal and the shawn watson deal these. These are huge. Massive deals out how How much do you pay lamar. And obviously the one thing you worry about him more so than any of these other guys is the injury situation because of how much he does this right. So that's if you're on the hook for one hundred million guaranteed and and he gets hurt and he misses the season. Obviously that affects the franchise in a negative manner. So but they're gonna have to pay them and you know. I know at this time of year. You want to be provocative you wanna put stuff out there. That people are going to click on and people are going to read and bucky brooks. Who i love. I don't know if you saw this article. But he was basically proposing that if available go get justin fields and kind of. It's almost like leasing a car. You know you have a quarterback for three four years and then you bring in another rookie quarterback so you're never paying that massive number and the let justin fields come in. It was a proposal that much bucky own really had behind it. I don't much how much he really believed that. But it was certainly a talking point for a couple of days but Yeah i don't. I don't know that i'm buying that. I think i'm rolling with lamar throughout that yesterday. Do you think there will come a time that a team is progressive in this way and just kinda rolls the dice on the college model like. Hey look we're going to have the guy. We got four to five years to win a super bowl with them. If we don't we'll move onto the next guy. I think here's something that was proposed kind of in that same genre of five or six years ago by michael robinson with him on total access on. nfl network. He said what's going to happen. And he said. I see this already at at the youth level with all these more athletic quarterbacks coming into the game is that teams are going to have two or three quarterbacks and they'll rotate 'em like they do running backs and i didn't know i. I tried to think of a place where that's worked and being an sec guy. I went to tennessee. I saw yoda. You'll ball coach. Do that florida with a lot of guys and it worked to a certain extent. But you know what the saying is in the nfl. And this is why. I'm not a big fan of the carolina. Panthers drafting quarterback. What sam darnold air. Or maybe the falcons drafting their quarterback. The future matt ryan's there. You know if you have two quarterbacks you don't have one and it makes things very difficult and i. i don't know that that ever comes to fruition but this model this college type model where every time you kinda rebuild with with a rookie quarterback is interesting. I know that it works long-term. Because what's the one thing as an nfl franchise you're trying to find. You're trying to find that franchise quarterback that's going to be with you for ten to fifteen years so but if you can avoid being cap strong like say -lanta is right. Now when you have seventy and forty million dollars the next two years on your quote unquote franchise. Mvp quarterback right. Seems like a way to kinda you know. Dance around the china sure. He ate some maneuverability with other positions. I don't know in my mind. If you're gonna overpay one guy on your football team better damn will be the quarterback. So if you're saving money you gotta spend it somewhere else right right right. Yeah i just take. Some team is going to do at some point right. Yeah you would think it's going to happen. It might have been analytics. Might point towards going in this direction and a team could be all end with younger front office and coaching staff. And just go for it. But what happens when you draft. Patrick mahomes are you gonna. Are you going to get off. Patrick mahomes after his rookie deal. What do you or assuming that none of this off. The field stuff was going on with the shawn watson right or or trevor lawrence or if you're the jaguars you're gonna have your guy like why would you do. That makes no sense. Could you imagine that the chiefs for like cool. Thanks for the super bowl pat right. We're not gonna pay these hundreds of millions of dollars all right a couple Nfl drafting espn's jimmy. Fowler single lions are one of the teams that are trying to trade up to the fourth. Pick to get jomar chase really about that move. Well here's a guy the lines not his history with in the fire like. I don't know if no i wouldn't do that. I would not do that. I would not draft the wide receiver with that pick. I would i would no i just. I just can't based on mike williams and charles rogers seven right now so would go from seven to four. So does that. You think you'd have to give up for that. Would you have to give up a first round. Pick to move up three spots a pixel up and maybe a second in this year's draft man. Yeah i just think the history. Although i will say this i think this guy's a can't miss a camp miss. I think i mean he's he's the best of the bunch but you could. You could get one of these alabama guys you. there's other really good wide receivers. I feel like there's a lot of value there. I seven a tough spot mad. No i would not that just gotta scares me right back for all the lions fans that they would have to deal with that again. Just i'd like. I said i think he's a camp miss. But you never know what's going to happen and taken wide receivers that hi. Peter king did a great piece in in his monday article about first round wide receivers and second wound round wide receivers over the last five years and receivers taken in the second round basically had a as much more success in the receivers taken in the first round. You know the because it was like. Aj brown decay metcalf. Reser the second round. Those guys are really skew in that with big time just monsters i feel like wide receiver. Evaluation is so difficult. A lot of it depends on me. Calvin johnson being an outlier probably chase being an ally but just just doing my team the patriots. They take the kale harry in the first round and he is such a bus when you compare them to decay metcalf in. Aj brown your easily could have had. Your team is not hit on a wide receiver in the draft. Since the boston tea party. I mean it's been that long. It's unbelievable it's h. I don't understand how such a tremendous evaluator of talent like bill belichick and those folks in the front office. There in new england came constantly miss on wide receivers in the draft. It's unbelievable to me. They're going to hit. They're going to me. No what they're gonna do. Yeah no that's another really interesting. One to me is another story line in this draft. That's been tossed around. Is jimmy garoppolo going back to new england. Let's say for a second round pick. Which if you draft mack jones. You're going to play mack. Jones and baldy brought this point up. Brian baldinger when we talked to him a few minutes ago. Here on the rich eisen. Show dan kelly filling in said if you draft one of these guys in the top ten. You gotta play him right. If you draft fields and your atlanta you wanna play them. It doesn't always work out. When you have an alex smith and patrick mahomes as heir to sit for year and then and then starts next year he because they need experience. I agree with all the i think. Generally that's the case. So if your new england and you draft a young guy like are you playing him when camp's there or you trade for jimmy g. Ju just would you eat the the camp contractor. They compete like what would you do. I have totally on a not interested in jimmy g. back i really wasn't interested in bringing cam back but now that he's here i wouldn't mind seeing the pats get trae lance trade can learn for a year or two under camps and sir kind of a similar player You in cam came out. I don't know. I think if you think the forty niners take mack jones. He's starting right away. I think they'd take trae lance then. It's going to be jimmy johns team. And that's the scenario and that makes sense. I think for me. Adam schefter just tweeted this out Picking up some news. Here on a veteran running back saquon barkley towards acl week two against chicago last season on track to be ready to start the year per sources. So that's good news. I would hope so. I mean generally. Acl's have gone from twenty years ago a potential career ending injury to now. It's like a broken leg. I no big deal you know. You're you're in six or seven months. You're doing almost everything you know. It's it's remarkable speaking of broken legs. The i don't know if you saw the ufc. Two sixty chris wideman had one of the most gruesome injuries i've ever seen. And when he broke his leg put out on social media rays of the pins on the leg clean break both tibia tibula and fibula. But he's you know till be walking in six weeks and trained maybe to fight against. It's wild what they can do now. You were there for that. Most gruesome injury. You've ever seen in person it. It was awful you could. I was really close to the octagon right behind. You know rogan and anik and dc and it was the first kick of the fight and chris widens fighting Your riot hall and what they're doing now in the afc is there's this nerve kind of like the top your calf on the side of your knee and if you catch it right yeah it gives you drop foot basically and you. You can't proceed so a lot of guys are trying to find that. And i don't know for whatever reason he went a little high hit the outside of the knee in his leg literally snapped in half and you could hear an audible gasps but took a minute february. Realize exactly what happened and they showed the replay all times up on the screen. You have sees a little different than the nfl in that way now. Dana white on his instagram page posted. A picture of the break like the like the lake going the other direction and they they showed a couple of times and it was just you watch it. I remember talking to daniel cornea right after it happened. And he was. He would not look at the monitor. 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She's in the ravens ring of honor coach. It's been a minute how you doing. Hello how're you doing man. Good to hear your voice you as well. Thank you so much for coming on really appreciate the time. You have been a man. Who's been around a lot of fine quarterbacks and find offenses over your years trevor lawrence. Obviously the number one pick in this draft. Who's your number two and number three when you watch these guys. Yeah interesting group. You know you've got the five and it's a very diverse group in terms of the schools. there're athleticism there experience base. So it's an interesting diverse group from. Zack wilson appears to have. And i think it looks like maybe the jets are gonna take. Zack wilson he looks to be the total package. They all look like you know there should be able to play in the nfl. Having said that you know fifty percent of the players taking the first round at quarterback bust. I mean that's just a fact and so the question is which these guys. There's no reason this group should not be all good quarterbacks. of course there was no reason. Why jamarcus russell and vince. Young and achilles smith and joy harrington and the list goes on and on why they shouldn't have been good pro so it's gonna be interesting to see the order. They come off so when you're building a team you have had this debate many times with friends and colleagues over the years. Ideally you find your young quarterback you build the team around him however there are certain times when you build the team and then you pop. The young quarterback in is that something doable or is is having. You're young quarterback. I much more preferential. If you're a team builder or a head coach as you yeah. It's it's tough to do the ladder you can see why new york and and and i concur that that setting sam darnold. The carolina made sense because robert solid comes in at a chance to visit with him the other day on a podcast that i do coach to coach. And and that's usually the formula that when you come in as i as a coach if you get your quarterback if unless there's one there already but if if you need one to have it right when you get started and then you build around him the problem is if you if you start to build a team and you try to plop then later you're gonna go through ups and downs quarterback and and you may not last we've seen that story time and time again so yeah i do think it it. It makes a difference that if you're going to pick a young quarterback unless you're an established team and established head coach that his firm in you're in where you're at Yeah if you're just starting out. Yeah you want to start with that young quarterback. That's exactly why. I think auburn buyer Cookbook jacksonville job. Because his ability to begin with trevor lawrence and and i think probably one of the reasons that ravage salary was drawn toward the jets job having that second overall pick and could start that process together with his young quarterback. Dan halley for rich is talking to super bowl. Winning head coach. Brian billick who has authored. A book on finding the ideal. Nfl quarterback so who better to talk to in this draft where every nfl team seemingly so thirsty to find that franchise quarterback and we could see. We're going to see three go one two three. That's only happened twice before in. Nfl history and you mentioned the fifty percent bust rate. It was nineteen seventy-one nineteen ninety nine. And there were six quarterbacks taken in three in the first three picks of each of those drafts and three made it and and three didn't so there's your fifty percent bust right here. If you're the falcons. Brian and you have the fourth overall pick. And you have the opportunity to potentially find. Dave future franchise quarterback who could sit for a year behind behind matt ryan or take. Maybe the most dangerous offensive weapon in the drafting kyle pits. What do you do. yeah. I still think that ryan can play. I think the atlanta falcons can be good football team. I i you know. i don't. We just said your first time. Coach is the time to start with young quarterback. I get that in a plan on wants to do that. By letting that ryan go someplace else and there'll be a lot of suitors the idea of letting him okay. We're gonna draft the guy or have used that. I pick not to make the team better but to draft a guy not playing and now let that ryan continue to take it on. That typically doesn't go. well. I mean yeah. You can look at kansas city when they did with. Patrick mahomes we. Now it's smith and you look at a jordan love in green bay in behind Aaron rodgers but don't you good football teams atlanta's not a good football team right now so to put in no matter who they take they take quantities quarterbacks. He's gonna start at some point. That's just the way it works and For matt ryan to beat at placeholder. I just don't think it's an atlanta's best interest to do that. I don't think it's matt ryan's best interest. If you want to go that route. And i can certainly see that. Then then let matt ryan go someplace else. And there'll be a long line of suits that wanting to have matt ryan so many have said that the draft starts at number four right. Where the where the falcons are. Because we know that quarterbacks are gonna go one three. Is there a most interesting pick in this draft beyond the atlanta. Pick it for you know. A lot of people have also talked about the fact that the panthers despite the fact. They've traded for sam darnold could draft a quarterback. Somebody's probably gonna move up into the top ten to draft one of these guys to you. What's the most interesting scenario or team. They're in the top half of the first round. Well obviously the quarterback draw driving that. And and what you just laid out. We'll be interesting. It tear on. It takes a quarterback after trading for for Sam bradford that that's going to be a cluster that's just not good I realize it's not a huge cost on airport because they're really kind of panicked like a backup so that works. But i you know that to me. That's just not a good. If you're gonna take the young guy then take the guy and let him be the guy and bill going forward with that What's interesting as you look at the nfc. East dallas new york and philadelphia. Ten eleven to twelve. Because of all these quarterbacks getting pulled up there's some good top five new chip talent whether it's the two tackles and sewell whether it's like you say kyle picks whether it's a those jamarcus Jomar chase right Or devante smith. There's some pretty good top. Five talents getting pushed back to that. Nfc lineup of new york and philadelphia. That make it very very interesting and could make it even not to the quarterback for someone wanted to jump up if let's say carolina decides no. We're not gonna Take a quarterback. We're going to go with sam darnold. Someone wants to jump up and pick up one of those quarterbacks at present seminar opportunity now to pick up still maybe a top five or top ten talent later on back so that movement. You're exactly right in pointing it out At detroit carolina denver. That's that's going to be very interesting to see where that false. Yeah to your to your point really good players falling. Look on the defensive side of the ball. There might not be a defensive player picked until eleven or twelve and you could get a guy like michael parsons who might be the best defensive player in this draft so that's gonna be fascinating to see. I'm fascinated by the draft rooms. And what goes on behind the scenes. And you've been in in many of these over the years and involved in many drafts from your from your days in minnesota. It's your time in baltimore as the head coach. And i believe you're in minnesota when you guys drafted randy moss correct. Yeah what was that. Your single greatest traffic of all time was i was pretty good. I remember danny. Green came to me and danny green god rest. His soul was the best evaluator of talented any coach. I've ever been around. What a great general manager and iron and and ran the draft utica. I remember he came into brian. We're we're going to get randy boss. I think we're twenty one or twenty two and twenty one. Well okay. the old man's lost it. There's no way randy. Moss is gonna find them my homework even though i knew. There's no way he's going to get there Once he got past down or ten or eleven there was a free fall and all of a sudden. Now twenty one. We get a randy moss and it was. I mean it was interesting. Chris carter called me. And he has been working out with chris carter christie cardio workout camp down in boca the fast program. I remember that and and he called and he said brian. You don't believe you can't believe how good this guy says. No chris's unbelie. I'm looking at the film right now. We're going to be able to do this. And that this he goes bryant. No listen to me. You have no idea how good this kid is. And chris saw then and so. Yeah that was. That was one of the special draft days randy moss at twenty one. I'm look. I'm looking at the numbers here his rookie here. Holy cow was nineteen ninety. Eight randy moss had sixty nine catches. That's okay for thirteen hundred yards and seventeen touchdowns. Yeah yeah you you talked about the guy that could take the top off the and and it by now. I also had hall of famer Chris carter underneath and the slot at robert smith in the backfield randall. Cunningham at quarterback Was jay green. We had some guys now. Great offensive line. I mean we had some weapons. Defense is just didn't know what 'cause you had to start accounting for andy so you had the back up. Well we can wear you out with chris underneath or run. The ball and randy was unbelievable that rookie year. Oh what a what. An incredible player. He was. So you get the baltimore. What what do you remember most about your your time and baltimore terms of being in the draft. Pick and guys. I'm assuming ed reed was probably your best. your best. Pick their because ray lewis had already arrived right. Yeah no ozzie. Newsome in the group whether it was phil savage erica constant. It's such an incredible job and you asked about the draft room if you do your work right it's a very calm day There's not like it's not in the movie. Draft was draft day was were. They consolidated an entire season into like. This guy did all this and one day he did that evaluation. He did this trade that this is a work that way. All that work has already been done. You've set the table now. It's just a matter of pulling the trigger. If you want move up move back you've done your evaluations. Your guys are going to be there There may be some surprises thrown at you. Very not likely in the first round. Those conversations tend to get a little more indepth later on. Because now you have you know. The difference between the tenth player in the draft and twenty fifth player in the draft could be substantial and it's easy to quantify but the difference between the fiftieth pick in the draft. And the seventy th pick of the draft may not be as clear cut. And now you also have some meats so now you know you begin to negotiate the ranking on the board. Well we don't really need linemen. And that's the next highest rated guy but this defensive lineman who we do need isn't really quite as high but almost so did you go with the deepest. So that's where some of the conversations become a little more and more more day two and three well and you are lucky enough to be a part of an organization that was among the elite in terms of the structure in the nfl with the ravens. Ozzy and those guys in the front office were as an ara as good as it gets. How much input did you have as a head coach and you want early. You want a super bowl early in your tenure there. Did you have more after you a little more sway and swagger in that room after winning super bowl and is he was a great partner and we did work like a partnership i viewed by job to be the guy that kind of stirred up. I mean we had a structure and ozzy was best listeners. I've ever been around so he sought all of the input from coaches and scouts alike and it was a constant process. I do my job is to kind of stir it up a little bit quick. You know challenge one of the coaches or the personnel guys on on their guy. They're they're selling them in about good. He is and i may think the same thing. But i made you know yeah. I'm not seeing it. I'm not convinced. Show me the you know. I wanted to see the courage of conviction. And was ozzie. I would. I would post questions. Tell me more about this guy. Tell me more about that guy to to get you know a little dig a little deeper and although it got to the point usually about this time maybe even a little earlier in the week where kind of like with your wife. That looked like okay. I've had enough talking about it. I i would monday tuesday. Get that look from ozzy like okay. We're done discussing it. We're at what year was it when you were in baltimore. I believe it was three and the vikings missed their first round. Pick because they were trying to work out a trade with you. Do you remember that. Yeah it was a. We was all around byron left. Which and jacksonville wanna do up. We're all trying to move to minnesota. You get byron left which and and all we had a deal and then it was They were delaying. My couldn't pull the trigger and the cards are being pulled in so as it turned up. Jacksonville ends up. Their minnesota falls but then they miss their pick because it was such a confusing. We actually had the car turned in. But it didn't get communicated properly. They've since changed the process right so it was yeah it was a bit of a cluster and and the guy we wanted i remember very specifically Terrell suggs was a guy that that would we would do the reading on twelfth thugs It would kind of be okay. Yeah that's fine well. There's no way we're we're sitting at whatever. We were backed up there. We weren't gonna troll sucks. He's not he's not gonna be available. Then let's move on and and all of a sudden we're at we thought that much of it That he was we thought he was a top five blue chip player. So i was sudden this things going on and then all of a sudden minnesota is on the clock and think yeah now. We don't have bible unless we don't have you know now there's that next pick we're thinking. Oh my god what did they take and they. Don't they delay. We ended up getting suggs. And then we scramble around later on. Take our bowler. It wasn't until later in the day where we kinda pause looked up and go wait a minute. You kidding me. We got terrell suggs. It was you know. Just the way it went down was really unique. Yeah it's just you can make movie after movie about some of these draft rooms over the years and we certainly seem one undrafted. You brought up jacksonville. I just saw a tweet. From from james palmer and nfl network talking about urban meyer and urban basically saying we can't screw this up we have five picks in the first sixty five. It's a historic draft. We have to get this right. What's the biggest challenge for urban spending his whole career in the college ranks. You coached in college prior to the nfl. What's going to be the biggest challenge for him. Jacksonville issue well. I chance to visit with urban on the podcasts. I do coach to coach and was fast. I've known urban for years and he's ready for there's there's no he's an outstanding coach and coaching is coaching. But it is different. Obviously the group. You're dealing with the professional. Yeah you have young players but you're also gonna have thirty and thirty five year old veterans got families and side businesses and so dealing with the pro player mentality And the fact that you're dealing with with those grown men that's probably the biggest adjustment and he'll do a great job with it. 'cause you obviously you you don't you. You wanna be fair. You're gonna treat everybody fairly but you're not gonna treat everybody the same you. Just don't you're not gonna treat a a long time veteran Four time pro bowl. Same way you do a rookie. You'll treat them fairly differently. And so getting used to vat and and and the fact that you know he's been at some pretty good programs that look at the top talent on their board and they can get a whole bunch of it that top one fifty you're right they have a lotta picks and he's gonna look at his top hundred fifty players and they look pretty good but those those players come flying off that board and all of a sudden they can look like pretty slim pickings. So it's a little bit different terms of trying to recruit them degrade places like florida and ohio state. And now you've got to stand in line to pick players you want seven years at ohio state only lost nine times urban. Meyer could lose nine times in his first season in jacksonville. That's gonna take some Some getting used to. I think for him at least in this in this first year as he's building program there. If you were in san francisco and and your kyle shanahan and you know every time your name pops up the title of your book You know the search the q factor of the elusive search for for a great. Nfl quarterback Mack jones is kind of the i. Guess the safe pick and the way that they're they're leaning right now or do you go after a guy like trae lance who has unbelievable upside when you have. You know. A veteran quarterback there and jimmy g. Who could kinda shepherd him through that process. What what do you do san francisco. It's going to be interesting. I know his dad. My mike shanahan. Coaching elise an outstanding. With quarterbacks is meant is working with them as well. i don't know man. Jones concerns me. The number three pick. You don't take a guy that can work the system a system quarterback that you need you take a guy the early first round. There's gotta be something special about them. And that's what. I don't know about matt jones and it's not fair because we just don't know jones limited time starting. He played buying the best offensive line. Football during the best handling receivers in college football turned around and arguably handling off the best running back in football so he's never really had to put on his shoulders. We don't know that he can't do it. We just haven't seen it. So that's that's the concern. I would have for matt. Johnston trae lance right. He may have the biggest upside but he's got the farthest way to go as well. So it's gonna be interesting to see what they do. I will tell you this via the q factor at the end of the day. And i've heard from any number of people that was wrong with it. Was bill polian people. That have been doing this for a long time. There has to be something special about a guy you take you know. They all have the abilities like we said and and that's without question But there's a lot you know that fifty fifty equation. There's a whole list of guys that had the ability should have been i ground. You know Studs that ended up being bused list goes on and on from jamarcus. Russell vince young joy harrington to achilles smith the ryan leaf. I mean. The list goes on and on these guys. There's no question. These guys should be good. I don't know what's special about matt jones. That would make you take him at number three. Yeah that is that is a fascinating pick there and and then you have atlanta coming up at four. Dan heavily on the rich eisen show filling in for rich using cleveland. We're going to be talking with him just a moment right now. Talking with super bowl winning head coach in nfl network analyst. Brian billick coach. You've been so generous with your time. Before i let you go. 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I'm a fifteen minutes south of the canadian border And it's beautiful country great fishing and we've talked about maybe coming up and then having these guys coach up doing doing the fishing but right now. It's just a podcast. It's been great fun. We'll see if i'm about to head back up there. We'll we'll see. If i've learned anything from these podcasts and helped me with my fishing you gotta get down to the keys and get jimmy johnson on there. I can only imagine the conversations that youtube would have. That'd be fantastic libby. A little beer involved. That's a great. He's brian billick in the ring of honor for the baltimore. Ravens won a super bowl with them now. Working for nfl network. In the the world of podcasts bryant. Great catching up one of these times in the summer. I promise i'm gonna swing by. I want to go out and have a couple of beers with your boats. We'll get that all right. Good talking youth. Good all right. Brian billick former head coach of the baltimore ravens working with nfl network now and interesting to get his. Take on the quarterback situation. If you're drafting in the top ten you gotta get somebody special and mack jones special. He did special things at alabama surrounded by special players. There you go four receivers who are going to be top. Fifteen picks a couple of offensive linemen. Who were top ten picks for running band first round running back. So maybe we've never we've never before seen a quarterback have four top fifteen picks over the course of two seasons at wide receiver. That's never happened before. I'm talented alabama as much as it pains me to say it's just off insurance phenomenal. It's incredible it's insane. So is mack jones going to be special. That's see that's that's the question that the front office in san francisco along with kyle. Shanahan is asking themselves right now. Is mac joe special enough to trade. Two first round picks and a third round pick to draft number three overall the nfl draft. Dan halley filling in for rich eisen more draft coming up. This is the rich eisen show. What was it like shooting that scene though with. Rake in silla and his father. I mean how many how. How long do we gotta do that. These notice that we did that magic hour. You'll also notice that when that shot pulled back and you saw those cars you know album that would have been. Cg but that was technically That was all extras that we call them the radio being our movie and they created that big traffic jam hold on a second so that traffic jam. That's a real. That's a real shot and the people from iowa came and so so many people feel like they're a part of that movie so those thousands and thousands of cars that were in that giant traffic jam. That went out on those two lanes. I was real and in terms of playing in terms of as you said the the quiet moment. Yeah how did you work that kevin. Well you know. What i did was i went back to when i first read it and so i become the audience when i read it and i when i read it i want. I couldn't believe that had orchestrated itself to that thing. And i had that feeling on the couch and so i knew if i played that straight. Why didn't wink it. Anybody that these players did come. You know that's my corn. You know phil robinson is is the architect of that movie. You know i tell a story you know. And i don't fell off and but they kept coming after me. I wasn't going to be able to do that movie. I was gonna do revenge. And i got into a vialli. Revenge kept getting pushed kept getting pushed and funny. I had to put my foot down and say look If you don't get this movie together. I might go to do this movie in the corn. I asked the director. Why did you hold out for me. so long. why and he said well. And this is one of the greatest actors wherever seen he goes. They wanted me to do robin williams. And i said i said riot. Robin williams is perfect. He said yeah. But when i think robin i think he does hear voices in the corn. And i don't want that people don't believe you're hear voices and that was really interesting. That was a. that's a director that makes a save. that's a mariano rivera save. He saved his movie because of his belief in an idea. You know not the quality of actor because robin williams will never. Of course. This is this guy so special. But i but i was curious. I said he's actually a bigger star than me. You know whatever and he goes. I need somebody who cares voices and that would be you. I've never heard. Robin williams was considered for that role. That's unbelievable and then you did it and obviously we're we're talking about today. Yeah yeah it had goldust on. When i read it because i did that little intake breath you want to have a catch and of course i i went myself back on the rich eisen show dan halley filling in for rich catching up with is in here in just a few minutes. Maybe an hour. So we're gonna talk to. John belk coming up in about twenty five minutes. John belk the quarterback coach for three of the potential top ten picks in the draft including cal. Trask who's i think a lock to be a second. Rounder could sneak in the first round as well. But beck's a guy who's really have a lot of influence. When i went down about a week ago to do a podcast the heli pod you can download now on i tunes with With john back he was just getting off the phone call shanahan. He had one of the premier agents in all football calling him. The everybody is leaning on him for information. Actually trae lance had another quarterback coach. And because of kyle shanahan familiarity with john. Belk kyle told trae lances agent. I think he'd be a good idea to have trae workout with john beck and so he did so now. He is coaching just fields. Trae lance and zack wilson. Three of the top five quarterbacks in the draft going to catch up with him we're gonna get his take on all these guys. He was great in. The podcast does a deep dive and all of them talks about What they're really good at what they've been working on. You know what he thinks they will do. Well on the nfl level So that's coming up here and a little bit. I want to go over some of these odds gambling. Actually it's it's blown up obviously But some of these odds in terms of predicting where guys will go. There's some serious money be made here. Not on trevor lawrence. I don't think you have two hundred win on. I'll tell you what if you wanna make the easiest one hundred dollars of your entire life. Just take out a small loan. One hundred grand and put it all in trevor warrants to be the first overall pick minus one hundred thousand. I've never seen odds like this and my whole life. that's crazy that's wild at guaranteed low. What about zach hundred dollars. Zack wilson to be the second. Overall pick is minus ten thousands. If you have ten thousand line around minus ten thousand one hundred bucks. And i still not worth some crazy could happen. All right third overall pick is where it gets. It gets kind fun. Third fourth fifth. This is where you can find some good value and maybe make some money here. Depending on how higher reading things. Mac jones your third overall pick favorite minus two seventy five. Oh really. I thought it'd be almost even money minus two seventy five books. Think it's locked. The mac jones goes to the forty niners trae lance plus two fifty if anything. Maybe they're gonna go that way. San francisco just fields plus three fifty fourth overall pick. It's a little more fun to kyle pits your favourite to go to atlanta minus one fifty. So that's one hundred and fifty dollars to one hundred dollars if you're not familiar. Justin fields plus two eighty. So that's about one hundred to win two eighty trae lands plus two fifty okay. I don't know i. I don't i think i would roll my dyson on mac jones. Almost three to one odds and make my money there. Because i think that's a virtual lock at their overall. So that's that's bet to seventy five to one hundred zero. Just don't love those anytime. You have to bet more to win last. it's not. It's not my favorite thing you want. If you're locked in on one of those and you think ok detroit's gonna take a sore. Which by the way is. I think like there. You're getting good. Is like plus four fifty or something. Yeah peninsula go in the top. Five c think he goes to cincinnati at five. That's plus one ten so even money bet one hundred one hundred ten back but they could draft. You're more chase and throw you for a loop. That's what's interesting here. Yeah no. I'm i'm fascinated thi. This is fun this. This is a big thing. It's a big deal to The sports camp gambling now of betting. Where guys are going to actually specifically go in the draft and you can bet on which team they go to the. You can bet on the exact outcome. So if you think it's going to be trevor lawrence. Won zack wilson to mac jones. Three kyle pits four. You can bet on that exact. That's even money. That's better hundred win. Hundred what were the odds of a teddy bridgewater. Getting traded to the broncos for a sixth round. Pick which just happened. That just happened according to tom. Pella sarah good buddy from nfl network. Teddy bridgewater going to the broncos for a sixth round pick. That's basically three well if you're carolina and you have sam darnold and you could potentially draft another quarterback even cut teddy bridgewater even though yotam guaranteed money in the second year of his deal so drew lock teddy bridgewater in my mind. If you're the denver broncos this changes absolutely nothing nothing in terms of you looking at this draft is a chance to still get a french olduvai. Gabri totally agree. So you have two guys in teddy and drew that really haven't proven a whole lot in the nfl. But that that that makes things interesting now for denver who now at nine overall. Gosh i wonder. I wonder if this does change anything for them from their perspective in my mind. It shouldn't but maybe in their mind. They have the veteran guy teddy. Who can come in and hold down the fort but if you're denver you don't need a guy to come in hold down. A drew lock when he is healthy. Can kinda sling in a little bit. If you're looking to upgrade shore if somebody falls to you at nine maybe jump on justin fields or trey lance do do you know can you move. Drew lock for anything more than a sixth round. Pick you even five doing if you're lucky but carolina our they in on jimmy g. potentially or they still looking at eight if somebody falls to them they you got you got darnold right so you have darnold and then and what justin fields i as we talked about earlier. I m hearing as many other people are that they are enamored with justin fields and that they could draft him at eight if he were to fall and perhaps have a quarterback competition with sam. Darnold that does not make a ton of sense to me but if you think he can be the guy maybe do that so in case you. You are just tuning in the panthers. Trading quarterback teddy bridgewater to the broncos for a sixth round. Pick according to tom pella sorrow of nfl network. Teddy on the move now. We expected teddy to be going somewhere or or maybe cut so. If you're carolina at least you get something in return for teddy bridgewater. You signed him last year after a nice little run up drew brees in new orleans. But is he your franchise quarterback of the future. I don't think so is he. A placeholder seems more probable. The broncos picking at nine. It'd be interesting to see what they do at quarterback john beck quarterback coach coming up. Dan halley on richeisenshow. That's a pretty young move. Yeah that's that's fascinating. i like. You said you're giving up sixth round. Pick right that's good news for sam. I his job to lose now. Well yeah but. I don't think teddy bridgewater was planning their plans. Like he was he was not going to be there right. Bad news potentially for for drew lock. I just i. I guess that's a good move is teddy a guy. I don't know enough about what he's like in. The quarterback room is is teddy. A guy that if you do draft if let's say the broncos end up with trae lance is teddy. Has he been around long enough to mentor enough to be that mentor. Or tape bridgewater. Still in his fifth going into his fifth or sixth season he he still wants to be a starting quarterback bridgewater twenty eight. I mean you know still getting pretty good coins young to be a meant to. Yeah i think you're him. You think you can still start. You can still make plays and be as successful quarterback be a playoff quarterback. He's not going to accept being a mentor for trae lance. Yeah i a placeholder for trae land. I think that creates an interesting dynamic in the quarterback room and having talked to a slew of quarterbacks over the years having a veteran presence in the quarterback room might be the most important thing you could have for a young quarterback. So here's from. Adam schefter tweeting just a few minutes ago. Panthers trading bridgewater to the broncos according to appel sarah panthers paying bridgewater seven million broncos paying him. Three million trade does not take denver out of the quarterback market on thursday night per source just as we assume the panthers paying seven million to ship town. Well here's how you have to look at it. I believe that they were going to cut teddy and just eat it. So basically saved three million yes and pick up a sixth round. Pick in the process so beggars can't be choosers. Sure something's better than nothing. And that's what carolina gets with teddy bridgewater and as adam schefter said. This does not take them out of the quarterback derby. They have been trying to find a quarterback in denver since peyton manning left town and they have had many ill-fated experiments there now they have teddy bridgewater via trade from carolina to compete with drew. Lock and whoever they peninsula potentially draft at number nine. It's heavily in for isan.

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REShow: Brian Baldinger - Hour 1 (04-28-21)

The Rich Eisen Show

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REShow: Brian Baldinger - Hour 1 (04-28-21)

"A wom hotel. This is the rich eisen show with guest host. Dan halley from the rich eisen. Show studio in los angeles weiner's coach q. There is no official. Kyle shanahan fact that he is basically saying yeah. I check twitter sometimes after a big win or loss. I love it. today's guests. nfl network analyst. Brian baldinger winning head coach. Brian billick quarterback coach john beck and now sitting in for then heli what is up everybody and halley in four rich eisen. And i'm gonna tell you right now. There will be a lot of nfl draft talk as we are on the eve of yet. Another nfl draft which winery finally be returning to normalcy of sorts. In cleveland there will be fans on hand that voice. You just heard that of chris brown. What's up dan. Good to see man mara crack producer you to my friends. Tj jefferson jason feller. Also in the house filling. In for mike del tufo jason. What's up man and tice. I thought you're just gonna skip over me. I noticed the camera shots. I went to jason. So as an experienced a vision host of rewind and then jump back to you all the camera. I'm not mad at you. know berlin. if it's okay with you guys we're just we're gonna talk a lot of football today. I mean i think seems to be the move i mean. Hey and who else is in the news and none other than a man. I over the weekend. Antonio brown is he resigns with the super bowl champs. Ironically i saw antonio at ufc two sixty one in jacksonville. It was the first event with fans in over a calendar year raise and it was just star studded. Looked insane it to my left. Was tom brady. And mike evans and blaine gabbert machine gun. Kelly and megan fox. For sitting. In that road tim tebow was behind them with his new wife slash fiance. I can't remember if he's alive mayor mary. She's a former miss universe. She was attractive and then cuba gooding junior was he had like a dance. A thon going on he was he was a couple of seats down from those guys. I saw those clips in a crazy crazy. He was there the whole time. So normally the way these you have see cards work. Is it six or seven hours right yet. The main card which two or three that's at the end of the night the early pre limbs or maybe a couple of thousand people there will since this was the first event with fans in forever the first fight of the night had five or six thousand people there and they slowly kind of trickle in throughout the night. And by the time you get to the the main event. It's a packed house. But this is a little bit different anyway. Antonio brown was there. Sitting with jake. Paul maybe one of the worst combinations of humans on the planet with all due respect. Yeah not a fan of partially because daniel cormier former champ champ in the. Ufc went during a commercial break to have a conversation with one. Jake paul about their little. Twitter spat that they had and caused quite a commotion. The whole matter of fact the whole arena was was chanting f jake multiple times throughout the night. I did see that. So i think dana white said it best. Whatever he's doing he's doing something right because we're talking about talking about him making millions of dollars in pay per views like i. I made the point that i would never talk about this me personally here but like i get it i get your names out there. And you're making all this money. But here's what i never want my life is for an arena full of people start saying f. Tj jefferson unless we heal. and i'm wrestlemainia. then yeah sure but otherwise. It's like. I don't know i wouldn't. I wouldn't really get any particular pleasure from having that happen. No matter how much my pockets were being lying. He's around. He's laughing all the way to the bank. Might be but i and you know what's funny. You bring that up ryan leaf. Who's been a tremendous guest host on eisen show many times over the years and was on my podcast. The heli pod couple of weeks ago said that one of the things that led him down his his path with drug addiction was going to a fight in vegas. I'm sure you guys remember the story. And they were entering all the stars in the crowd and it was you know tiger woods. It was michael. Jordan was charles. Barkley was ryan leaf and then everybody started booing. It just hit him like a ton of bricks and so we had to self medicate. The that was a different deal. Ryan leaf not a. He'll i think jake. Paul comfortable he was he was okay with that. But i think it'd be incredible. I cannot wait for the drama. That will be the nfl draft. The best reality show on television and as it always. Does it surrounds the quarterbacks right. We're gonna see quarterbacks go one two three. We'll be talking about that all day long from what i'm hearing and i'm sure if you are a big nfl fan. You've you've read the reports mack. Jones is going to san francisco three now. There are days. When kyle shanahan leans towards trae lance because the ceiling is so high for that young man. But he's he's cutting loved little. Maybe infatuated is the word with mac jones. Those around him. There are some in the front office that prefer trae lance and it seemingly is an ideal scenario for a young inexperienced quarterback to come in to jimmy garoppolo there. It could be very similar to the patrick mahomes alex smith situation but the numbers for mack jones in his lone season as a full time starter. Or just off the charts. Forty one interceptions. Forty one touchdown passes with just four interceptions and that completion percentage of seventy seven percent is the highest ever in college football. Seventy seven percent there guys on their pro days who don't pass. We are infatuated with mac. Jones looks with the shirt off. That's what we're talking about going to draft this guy there. They're up in arms in the bay area. How can we draft. Mack jones trae lance out there yet justin fields out there. I mean look at these guys and we're going to draft magazines. I would say this if there's one guy in the nfl that would trust. When it comes to quarterback it would probably be shannon. Yeah i think so. And i think he's i think he sold on mac but again as i've been told there are certain days or seven days in the week right five days a week. He's taken back jones. There might be two days when he's like. Oh you know. Maybe i can make something out of this lance kit so you guys had trae on yesterday. Oh my goodness tremendous interview. Great kid you can just hear it in his voice leadership the work ethic. I want him in new england in the worst way. I'm i don't wanna mortgage the farm. I'm from washington a huge fan of the burgundy and gold. I would love to see him. What was that cowboys fan. I would love to see him there if he slides to the teens. Which i don't think is going to write. I think he's certainly going to be a top ten pick. And i don't you know i can't see i can't see new england trading as a matter of fact ian rappaport said yesterday there are probably gonna be fewer trades than we anticipate in the first round interesting because the cost of doing business is so great. The forty niners set the bar high trading two first round picks and a third round. Pick to move from the three. So you're moving up nine ten picks it's gonna cost you a couple of first rounders or are you willing to do that. That's going to be the question for a lot of these teams. Maybe if you're sold on a just in fields. And you had him number two on your board right behind. Trevor lawrence or trey lance is number two on your born. You say man. I can get him at nine. I can get him a ten. Maybe i get that guy. The draft starts at four. We know it's one two three quarterbacks right so what is atlanta going to do the consensus out there. Right now seems to be that. They draft the player. Many are calling the best player in this draft in cal- pits at tight end to most think immediately will become one of the top. Three tight ends in football and eventually will become the best tight end of football a more athletic version of travis kelsey. He's an absolute monster. But then if you're the bengals do you go offensive linemen. do you go wide receiver to give joe burrow. Somebody else to throw to. And the dolphins obviously not going to draft a quarterback their content with with to do the cowboys. Move up. maybe not. There's just so much drama so many questions you know but i will say that at this juncture. The most polarizing player in the draft has to be met. Jones has to be the guy that if he doesn't get drafted by san francisco. How far does he slide. Does he go out of the top ten or are the forty niners the only team infatuated with this alabama quarterback. There's so interesting because if you look at the teams that probably or might take a quarterback it's detroit it's denver it's carolina. Maybe they're talking about new. England definitely is in the market for quarterback you mentioned washington if mack jones doesn't go three does he get all the way to fifteen at new england whereas washington. I said nineteen right. Does he get down to nineteen. I don't know it could be an air rogers. Tj now we're talking about for show a two thousand five situation where a brady quinn situation. Where we're just focused on him. I don't know if he's going to be in cleveland he might be are. We just focused on him in the green room because he's just sitting there waiting waiting his name called you'd normally i would say somebody's going to be sitting there. I just think the. Nfl teams are so thirsty for a shot at a starting quarterback that that they're going to they're going to be flying off the shelves. You know the carolina panthers at eight or another really interesting team traded for sam darnold. Obviously but we're on. The street is that they are enamored their owner specifically with justin fields. So do they draft a quarterback. Sam darnold still relatively cheap. This year picked up his fifth year option. So they have to decide there. Were also lots of rumors about the carolina. Being interested in to shawn watson right when the off season i began so but now they have a guy. I just don't know if that behooves you granted you didn't mortgage much to bring sam darnold not to carolina. You're not paying him a ton. I guess you could head your bed. A little bit in draft justin fields. But if you were confident enough to make a trade for donald that to me. I'm at least picking up that fifth year option. I'm putting some weapons around him. Seem we have that. There is a dearth of quarterback talent in next year's draft. And i think that's scaring a lot of teams right. I think they are worried about. Hey if you're the atlanta falcons and you have not ryan who could play another four years. I think at a relatively high level. And you don't plan on being in the top five again. Should you draft a quarterback. Arthur smith guy a former offensive lineman at the university of north carolina. One of the great stories in the nfl. Dad is fred smith who started fedex and arthur worked his way up the ranks. You know having a billionaire. Father may have helped him initially get into the league. Broken on one. Joe gibbs staff as a low level assistant and then worked his way up hung around tennessee through three or four. Different head coaches. When matt l- floor left for the green bay packers head coaching job. He marched into mike variables office and said. I deserve this. I want this. And this is why and i was like all right. I was going to look at you anyway. But now i think you're and after two years the he is now the head. Coach of the atlanta falcons and this is really smart as great playcaller. He plays to his strengths. Obviously in tennessee der kennedy rent runs for over two thousand yards. But if you're that guy. If arthur smith you wanna come into your first shot at an nfl head. Coaching job and have to transition to a rookie quarterback first year or two. Or do you want to go with guys down gotcha to the super bowl right. Mvp in the league. I can still get it done. And they can't move on from matt ryan. They matt ryan. We'll be the falcons quarterback for at least two as such a huge cap hit right. So it's jane. it's like seventy million after this year. It's forty million after after twenty one. So he will be their quarterback. Roll the dice. Take take kyle pits. And let's rock and roll with this offense if you treat. Julio jones fine you can get younger. Wide receivers with the draft capital. You get back if not. Hey you run back with future hall of famer calvin ridley kyle pits mash running backs and let's rock and roll. You have five first round picks on the offensive line. Let's go in. Rap sheets said this week that they had such huge salary cap issues at this juncture based on the way things are right now they wouldn't be able to draft pick so they're going to have to maneuver some some money around and i don't think i mean you said. Roll the dice. I don't think it's a role that i take. I think it's a role that is take quarterback right like in my mind right. I mean. Roll the dice with matt making that. You've got two to three year window with matt ryan here. We'll let them up with some weapons and see what you can do you trade. Julio do you keep pulling around. I think i would trade julia. I think a thirty two year old wide receiver. Who's going to be a hall of famer who at certain points in his career has been the very best wide receiver in the league. If you can get something in return for him and maybe shed that salary you know with ridley with pits with a running game that i think will be improved with arthur. Smith is the head coach. Yeah i it's painful to say you game. But he had an injury plagued season year. His cap numbers huge. And maybe that's to me that makes more sense to start rebuilding their as opposed to start rebuilding at the quarterback position. I think whatever picks you get back for. Julio this year you can take receivers with that and kind of you know piece together what you would get out of his production but you save yourself some money move on a bit due to him. Gosh i'm so pumped up here and it's into the show and we haven't even touched the tip of the iceberg here in terms of what we're going to get to with The draft which is coming up tomorrow. We're gonna talk to brian. Baldinger coming up on the other side of this break a bryant bilic's going to be joining us as well and really looking forward to john beck. John beck is the quarterback coach for three guys. Who could go in the top ted. We're talking about zack. wilson. We're talking about trae lance and justin fields. He's also the quarterback coach for kyle trash so four potential first round picks there. He has tremendous insight. I talked to him a week ago. Watched him working out with a couple. Nfl quarterback he just get off the phone call shanahan and then when it was the most powerful agents in the game called them ten minutes later so he's been talking to everybody. That's the guest list today along with rich from cleveland. he's already. They're getting ready for the draft so he's going to give us a little preview of what to expect of the nfl network coverage that is all coming up in just a few minutes here over the course of the next three hours here on the rich eisen show dan halley filling in for rich. Right played sawgrass when i was down in jacksonville. You really that it was fun. I needed the odyssey white. Hot putter is the most iconic most played most sought after insert of all time. And it's back. it's the new white hot. Oh gee line of putters from odyssey white hot. Oj defined by the famous urethane insert the golfers everywhere. Have come to love. The original white-hot designs have been completely remade in reimagined the to ball the rassi. The number seven the rest of the head shapes sport modern upgrades and fine surface milling for an ultimate premium. 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Larry of all whereas the wedding. How far is it now. The country okay. You don't even go. don't go. don't go but what's a close family friend. I'm not flying fourteen hours on a plane. Somebody's wedding not gonna do that. Even if it's a nice destination where it's a nice hotel in your setup. No fourteen hours on a plane. You can't even breathe. Come on so what would be. Would they distance from your house that you now and a half by cox. That's it no playing that. Get on planes for weddings. Okay so situation number two for you. Larry you're going over to somebody's house. Okay let's see the fight. Mcgregor fight this into one of our producers take brought deserts fight ends. Nobody's touched the desserts. They like these desserts. Is it okay to take the desserts home while we did this on. Seinfeld did the mabul right while the marble okay. Here's the thing you bring it over. Did they know you brought it over. Yes they do. Well they know you brought it over then. You can't take it but what if nobody's tried it you know. It's not like a bottle of water bottle of wine to later on to the host right. That's true the host sought those could sneak out so if the host never saw a table. And there's no note. Yeah that's when you can take it if you think you're not going to get caught. Yeah then you could take larry's you never know what was looking the sky. That's the that's the gamble postseason. You can't take it all right. The last one for you. Larry elder off on a plane. Do you have a problem with somebody on a plane. The big problem with it. Yeah yeah keep amman. Okay you know. don't make yourself. It's not your house you're outside you're in public. I don't wanna. I don't wanna see your socks and god forbid you have a little older down. There needs that right. And i don't even want to know if you have exactly it's close quarters. Come on take a couple of minutes. Keep your shoes up. So those who take their shoes off with shorts on put their socked feet up on the bulkhead. Oh god almighty god out. Yes back to the rich eisen. Show dan halley sitting in for rich. Who is in cleveland. We're going to be catching up with rich here in a bow An hour hour and a half to Talk little nfl draft which will be the theme of today show as we are almost on the eve of the nfl draft this will be a return to normalcy of sorts. There will be a collection of Fans and vip guests on hand in cleveland three different stages so the draft is back on the road. No more virtual draft golf claps all around and our pumped up about that and one of the very best in the business when it comes to chop up this tape and looking at these cut ups and creating videos that we can see on social media. Is my good buddy. Brian baldinger from nfl network. I can probably less for. I don't know a solid ninety seconds all the different gigs that he has but But i'm not going to do that. You can find him everywhere. Baldy what's up dude. What's up dan. Good to hear your voice mind. Be you buddy you too brother. I have been watching some of your staff leading up to the draft on the nfl network. And of course you've got podcasts. And youtube and odyssey your on radio shows all over the place. What let me ask you this. In terms of the most polarizing player in the draft at this point is is it fair to say that's mac jones. Yeah it is because You know he doesn't rally with athletic ability. Although you know we have seen quarterbacks That have gone on and done great things without that so it's not paramount but i just think the way the game is played right. Now that you'd better be able to get a harm's way when these coordinators are sending you know these max blitzes at you and All we wanna do is just get the ball out of your hands quickly as possible before you just get slaughtered so I would say if he goes with the third pick to san francisco. I believe is gonna happen. I mean that fan base is. They're not no they're going to be there. There's there's gonna be a backlash the way it was donovan. mcnabb in philadelphia in nineteen ninety. Nine a believe. I think you're one hundred percent right on sports. Talk radio in the bay area baldy. All they're talking about is how on earth trade to first and third round pick to move up to a guy that looks like tom glavin with his shirt off. By the way and the reason. I use that as an example baldy is because i was in that old brit braves locker room. And you see smoltz and glavin it. I remember being a young reporter and seeing those dudes in the locker room with her shirt off and like those guys look like my dad. I'm not athletic at all. They're hall of famers. I mean if you if you can spin it you can spin it. And why does it matter what matt jones looks like with shirt off. Who cares yeah. I mean look the first time i mean i. I saw peyton manning in the locker room. I thought who has the key to a sunken chest. I mean but you know. Nobody's gonna argue with. What peyton manning did you know in the in this you know his career So it doesn't go hand in hand we have all seen players that you know That look the part in. Can't play so right. That really has nothing to do with it. the guy just went in gains wire-to-wire like nobody's ever seen. I've never seen anybody. Dan ever at any level high school college pro completing seventy seven percent of their passes. Now you can say that it's alabama. It's an nfl. All that stuff is true. He's still with anticipation station. Accuracy they still bloodstream. He's still made the throws. he's got great mechanic. So a you know. I i trust showed him to be able to locate the guy. I just believed all along that what he made the trade back in march dan. He knew exactly who he was going to get. I i never believed. And i still believe that it was some sort of competition. They just trade the three and waiting to see which of the three that they really like. I think he knew who he wanted to get. No one hundred percent and that seventy seven percent. Completion percentage is is astronomical. It's nobody's ever done that in college football to your point but i will say this there are two others that have completed over seventy five percents passes one is joe burrow and the others colt mccoy right. So you kind of have a mixed bag there in terms of what that that means on the next level and the other concern i you mentioned. He has four receivers that it will have gone in the top. Fifteen picks send anybody's ever had that that kind of talent to throw to. Certainly that makes guys look a little better ball. But if you're kyle. And i i'm the same way. I trust college known for a long time since he was in washington. There's nobody better in the business. When it comes to pick and quarterbacks in my mind then then kyle shanahan but if you're there based on what you've seen in the tape study that you've looked at. Are you taking mac jones at three. I wouldn't i mean. I thought that is the second best quarterback in this draft. And you know if you looked at ohio state against clemson semi finals this year. And i know you did. I mean justin feels outplayed. trevor lawrence. you can't get a better game than with justin fields that against clemson But then you know people will pick up you know A north western game and wasn't very good but then i'll show you nebraska game where the ball hit the drive one time the whole day I i just think justin field supremely-talented that it's just the beginning for any of these guys. There's still has to be another step. And so the next step to me for just him fields. It's just to do it on a consistent basis but you're not gonna find a more talented player in this draft and just feels so. I am not arguing with kyle. He can whoever whoever were sent to his offense and he has that right. You know. John lynch said the other day. It's up to kyle his decision. That should be his decision. He's gonna come from every day but to me. Just fields is the runaway Prior to be the second best quarterback in this draft so when we talk about best player in the draft regardless of position the names that that continuously comes up is kyle pits. We may not have seen somebody like this at the tight end position. Who's a smooth is he is. I was watching one year breakdowns on twitter. He did this little pivot route and he created about ten yards of separation with a corner on on a pivot. Ride was unbelievable. Who is a cop if you can think of anybody from from the past or currently is playing for kyle pits. Is there one. I you might have to go back to. Like carl winslow or you know i mean just kellen winslow back with you know the chargers i mean player that is a true flex tight end but could run like nobody else's business right now. I mean he's travelers kelsey but with you know he's just bigger faster Athletic they but that's what we reminds you of and let's face it Most offenses that are really good. Right now have some level of flex tight end that they can just move around up. I mean patrick. Tan couldn't stay in front of them. Jc horn couldn't stay in front of him in the sec He can either run by you or low poster or you know separate from you on on a pivot route led you described. I mean really. There's no position that you can put them in. It's just up to the creative genius of whatever coordinated. We have right now. Darren waller has become that guy but even while we can't run routes and he was a wide receiver coming out of georgia tech. But even darren waller can't run routes right now the way power-pitch can yet. He's you know he's catching one hundred passes right now in the nfl. But that's that's what kind of pets going to do. He's gonna have a chance to catch one hundred passes or more every year. And you know. Ten twelve fifteen touchdown passes because you know fifty fifty balls red zone. Jump balls Buzzing the top of the rim. I mean he's gonna win. Allow those those matchups right there. So if you're arthur. Smith you're a first time head coach. You're in atlanta. It's a football town do you do you go with the best player available at number four if it's called pits or if you like justin fields and think he's the second best quarterback in the draft. You feel like you have to drag your quarterback in the future there knowing. That matt ryan's gonna play a year. At least maybe two four you hope. People say Dan i know you have to. That is better. Get your quarterback too early than too late. I think when you drop these guys right now. You know if if you drop to justin field with the fourth pick. I'm just you know. Just more of this argument I think he's got to start the clock. you've got to start playing them I don't know there's a benefit to just sitting It didn't work out for patch. Mahomes i understand that it's rare but you know what a justin sat all year last year and didn't play and play behind toronto. We would know what are you became. I think gotta play these guys. But look i. If i think arthur blank is gonna have a lot to say about the pick I know there's a new general manager in town new head coach but other smith once arthur blank wants point fans inside the mercedes benz dome and atlanta beat them. Justed fields can help them do that. Then i think that might be a good smart peck. But if you believe that matt ryan got three good years left and right now dan go get cal pits along with You know with her jones. And and tommy ridley and hayden. I and you know. They'll put a dynamic offense on the field and go score thirty points a game and you know fans will show up on sundays in atlanta. Yeah that's kind of where i am right now. Baldy i just try to look at it. As if i were arthur smith and i'm trying to win football games in the last thing i want to do is is start a rookie quarterback and win five or six games my first year that just that scares life on him because all of a sudden you're on the clock right coach all right so i'm agreeing with you there. Mike parsons best. Defensive player in this draft is that no doubt. Dan halley by the way talking to brian. Baldinger from nfl network and siriusxm and youtube and sky. Sports is there's a long laundry list of places you can find. Body is mike. Parsons the best defensive player in this draft baldy. Your thought dan that he was going to be dead white. I'd say yes because he's got similar. Talented devon white. But i just don't think that. Mike parsons especially after sitting out. This year is devon white right now. Indefinitely changes the game in tampa. He did all year long. And he's the consummate pro. He can do anything you out in the slot and go cover davante adams and green bay. I mean there's nothing he can't do. I don't know that mike parsons can do that. I you know if if you turn on the bones last final collegiate game you think okay can but i i just don't see him hitting the way definitely hits people and impacts the game like that so he has the talent to be that guy. I just am not convinced. He's debbie white yet. I was going to save. This question for brian billick. Who's coming up a little bit later in the show since he was in these draft rooms. And they're drafting guys. But i think i can ask both of you because it's going to be a huge issue in this draft in terms of the players who did sit out panay. School sat out as well. The top offensive linemen got michael. Parsons who i think's the best defensive player or one of the top two or three in this draft. Sure how much you look at that. As a general manager as a head coach if they're two guys on your draft board who are one hundred percent equal and it's not a position of need. Let's say but you're going to draft the best player. One guy sat out. one guy. Didn't what do you do you know. I don't know what the answer to that is. Because i think it's just up to the individual and where you're at in the draft. But i know this. Dan the nfl can only take with the college game. Gives you if mike. Parsons is the most talented defensive player in this draft. Then you're gonna draft his talent. It's unfortunate that he didn't play. He had a lot of players. Were science later. There was a bunch of guys that had that chain stuff to play this year in the opted out. You know. every time is from michigan. And there's a bunch of guys that That did not play. And i don't know anybody that gets better by not playing so And you might go backwards if you didn't play and you didn't compete and you weren't on the field. You know seven eight nine. Ten thirteen game like they did at alabama this year. So i think it's going to be a factor in this draft dan. I think it's going to be a huge factor. Just think about the guys. There's two quarterbacks right we don't have to look back far. Zack wilson who wasn't on anybody's draft board prior to the season starting and it was in a three way battle to be the starting quarterback at byu and then joe burrow seventh round pick and after tremendous season. He's the number one overall pick right. Imagine if they hadn't played that year. So i don i think it's i think it's fascinating you played in the league for eleven or twelve years. Is it the type of thing where it takes you half a season to to get into game shape and remember what you are doing or does it not take that long. No look i mean. I think getting into football shape is a challenge for everybody now because you know teams are going into the facilities are not working out. You know with their teams. I mean they may be going these. You know these exercise you know facilities to go train but it's not football movements It's not what you would be doing You know at all these facilities right now. So i think that's a question a problem for a lot of players. I think led to a great deal of injuries to star players. Here we go. I think we're gonna see a similar thing this year dan. I don't have the science to back up that comment. But that's what i believe And so i think it's a factor and if you haven't hit anybody since the cotton bowl if you mike parsons and hit anybody since the cotton bowl against memphis I don't know how long it takes when you've been away from the game for over eighteen months before you start you know laying on people and you know get your is back in the right place and learning a defense and learning the pro game learning formations and you know we snap shifts and motions and everything that you say at. The nfl level is completely different so it may take some of these guys quite a while to adjust. It normally does anyways. I want to get back to the quarterback for a minute because you saying that you feel like justin fields is the second best player in the draft seems to be Against a consensus right now. Zac wilson likely going to be the jets Number two overall pick. What is it about fields that you like more than zach. I like the wings built. I think he's more sturdy You know he's paid through injury. We saw that against clemson last year. Didn't miss a beat. I thought the fact that you know he came out. Does medical condition last week. Dan and You know i. He's he's overcome that you know anytime somebody would say that you suffer from up. Let's see that'd be a roadblock that'd be an obstacle and he's overcome that with medication you know mental toughness all that stuff that you know. It happened not tim down. As a player he started. Every game I like the way that he can Just his arm. Strength is just i think. Not zack. wilson doesn't have it. He's got an electric arm. You see in every game. I just think zack. We'll just fields built better. You know he's faster. he's bigger. He stronger he showed me he can just run through. Big ten type tackles and championship. Level game tackles And without any problem. I just think that that's a factor in the nfl. When guys you know a lot bigger stronger fashion you're gonna hit you. Zach is your number three then. Yeah i exact number three all along Especially after watching a bunch of games this year with them He's got the problem. Dan is with all these quarterbacks as patching mahomes has only for everybody because four years ago wasn't an analyst at our network you know whether it was then jeremiah mike. Now i'm wondering a guy out there that said he needed mechanics. He needed work. He's got a you know you can't play playground football and be successful. And that's always done. And now all these guys wanna emulate them and so now you hook those throws exact well saying can make you go. That's what patrick mahomes does every week you know. Can he do that the way mahomes done it. And you know these guys. The days trying to make moms types throws that every week and he was kinda ruined it for all these guys. It's almost like steph curry and basketball. Everybody wants to emulate steph curry now in terms of shooting the long ball and now all these off platform throws are what were enamored with his fans. Right the look stuff. That's a great point. No i me. Maybe you remember your memories probably better. But i don't remember anybody saying quarterbacks platform like i don't remember that being a buzzword the way it is now right and you know if you want separate Just field from a amac jones. You just feels zack. Wilson can make all platform throws that. Mike jones can't make and i'd be true statement and so. How much does that play into decisions. Draft a quarterback but mahomes has mated commonplace. This is how you play the position now Now you know he's he's just all season toe surgery and he's come back from a knee injury you know. Some of these. All platform throws kinda. Gets you banged up as well. Yeah no that's a good point they've They've added that offensive line. So maybe he'll be protect a little bit more he is. Brian baldinger the very best in the business. Good buddy of mine. Good buddy of the rich eisen show. You can find him at baldy. Nfl on twitter at ball the nfl on instagram. If you want to get a little insight in terms of some film study always a great place to go for volleyball. Anything you want to plug a pitch before we let you go. Well look i just want to know about me mean can find me but you know my favorite player in the draft in islamic dickerson. And i know that everybody knows about his medical and the knee injuries. And all that stuff. But it's all the crap like this guy is the best offense lineman. I have watched since quinton nelson. Wow and that's who he is and so somebody's going to take them and they're going to keep their fingers crossed in winter. Lucky rabbit's foot and all that stuff and if he stays healthy he's gonna make your team better day one. You know what. I am remiss ball the i had it on my list to ask you about landon dickerson. In interior linemen from alabama started his career of florida state had two or three injury plagued seasons and then really blossomed at alabama. So he's your favorite guy. I had to ask you about alignment. And i forgot to so. I'm glad you got that in baldi. I'm telepathy with you dan. Finish your your sentences many times over the years so i figured i'd just finish your thought there. He's the travel. Dog brian baldinger. Hey ball he enjoy the Enjoy the draft. Great to catch up with you buddy. I'll talk to you soon. Brian baldinger from nfl network. Among other places he so good so much insight watches. Incredible on my film does a great segment on. Nfl dot com nfl network where he sits down with guys and does film breakdowns with current players. Whether it be quarterbacks or linebackers or defensive lineman offense lineman. He's great. And i found it interesting that he likes justin fields. Better than zack wilson. Now remember it. Wasn't that long ago that everybody like justin feels better than zack wilson. And for whatever reason it is there's always one guy each and every year that's kinda picked apart and poked and prodded and broken down a little more than other guys and this year. It just happens to be justin fields. That's our first guest of the day on the rich eisen. Show dan heli filling in glad. You're listening feel free to call. Brian billick coming up in an hour with back in a moment. This is the rich eisen show. You told a story about the genesis of all right. All right yes right. Would you please tell that story accused. That comes from so good days confused. Yes genius film. I'm in a bar the right time and a guy goes you ever done any acting. You might be right. Just right for this part legendary cash director and producer don phillips and i said yeah it was in the middle like commercial about this long but you know maybe i'm in film school at the time he will come to this address. You might be disrupt. Pick up the script i go down. I pick up the script. There's three scenes with three lines and one of the lines as waterson out front of the pool hall. Girls walked by. He checks going by and His buddy said man you got to cut that you're gonna to go to jail for that waterson worse than steps forward. Does now man. That's what i love about those high school girls. I get older but they stay the same legendary line of called a launch pad line. You're going to say that unpacking anyone any character who says that and believes it. We write a book on that guy a so. That was one of the lines. So i go work on those three lines for three weeks I come back and they do call to make up and wardrobe test meaning. They're shooting another seen one night. I'm just gonna show up director's going to step off the set and come and look and go right. I approve goes. Jeez woodson's great he goes. Listen do not scheduled to work tonight. But we're over here at the top notch drive through and you think waterson might want to pick up on the red headed intellectual. Sure he goes on. I'm sure so. I go get in the car i ever. Nfl of your career of my career and I'd been listened to a lot of seventies rock and roll at that time. There was a certain live recording. Jim morrison concert like amsterdam or somewhere where he barks the crowd. All right all right all right all right four times really aggressively though. I'm not thinking about that but this comes back. So i'm in the car and i'm not coups my man. I'm nervous about to your act. Who's my man whose waterson i said. We're about my car and i go. Well i'm in my seventy chevelle. There's one i said. I'm about getting high. I said we'll slater's riding shotgun you know he's gotta do blah rolled up to i said and i'm about rock and roll and i said well i got nugent stranglehold in the eight track man. There's three and i hear action. And i look up and in my mind i go and i'm a bad chicks. I got three out of four. Let's go get the ford. Alright alright. Alright law sat on screen. I ever said that was a three of those. Three things added when they were there. We go welcome back to the rich eisen. show dan halley filling in alongside brockman feller. Tj jefferson all in the house tj wearing. That pink cap can like pink on wednesdays is become a thing with you. Apparently i don't even know why i just you know from the movie mean girls. They had that line on wednesdays. We were a pink first of all i. I don't think i've ever even seen the movie the whole way through. But i just i'm weird. I do weird stuff. So i just decided every wednesday. I'm the worst something. Let's rock and roll look like I don't know if this is weird. But i found this interesting. Obviously dion sanders has had some success at jackson state and he kind started a little movement. Here eddie george. Going to be the head coach at tennessee state. You know we've known that for a few days now. It looks like marshall faulk could beginning in the apparently according to a report faulk has shown mutual interest with southern university. No way coming their head coach. Southern of course in the same conference as jackson state marshall faulk now dan brings dion brings right which is incredible amount of attention to a program and young athletes love that because they everybody knows dion like he he is. He's the goat and works for. Barstool is a camera that follows him everywhere you know. He's all over social media. He gets it like there's nobody in the world that's a better recruiter. I would imagine then dion sanders because he can not only recruit the kid he can recruit the parents and you fall in love with dion. Eddie george is a tennessee. Legend from his days with the tennessee. Titans i think that's going to be an interesting situation at tennessee state and then he of marshall faulk who is one of the smartest football minds around marshall was a running back and when you think running backs you're not always like okay. These guys are always students of the game. Marshall faulk is a student of the game he can break down a defense or offensive schemes as well as any quarterback head coach around. Sean mcvay when he was hired by the la rams was at a dinner with marshall. Faulk in one of the reasons that the rams brass stan kroenke specifically the owner brought marshall faulk to dinner was because they wanted him to get into a football discussion with mcveigh in kind of test. His his knowledge and i talked to mcvay about this. And he's he's. I couldn't believe how incredibly astute marshall faulk was about the game so this guy could really scheme things up. You know you can have three legends coaching in college football and of course he is a new orleans louisiana native southern university in louisiana so that would be That would be a great fit there that you know one of the things though about head. Coaching with a lotta these guys you. You always wonder specially guys who've had incredible careers like the three. That i just talked about is are they going wanna grind because being a head coach is cried and so many guys who have made money and have celebrity. Don't always want to. They don't need to. But i would love. I would love to see if if marshall got into the coaching game. Because he's so incredibly. Gosh one of the smartest guys have ever been around. These thought that. I knew a lot about football and then i worked with marshall one year. Nfl network on game day morning. and he just. I learned so much more than i ever could have possibly dreamed of being around him. Yeah hachem every single day. Getting ready for the sunday show. I hope this happens. This would be incredible for that all. My goodness can't even think about how cool that would be. Let's have we talked to rich. We'll have to ask him about talked marsha because Yeah that would be very cool. We mentioned it earlier in the show. antonio brown of course re-signing with the bucks and a half to wonder if that had anything to do with seeing tom brady and jacksonville to sixty one saw them. Go up and say hi to each other kind of hug. It out brady. Was there with mike evans. And some some guys in antonio brown was there with jake paul on the other side of the floor in the arena. He gets a a one year deal just over. Three million guaranteed could be worth the six point. Two and this is interesting. He obviously joined the bucks. At midseason. Bruce arians had to be sold on antonio brown areas of course is old offense coordinator with the pittsburgh steelers and didn't think that antonio brown would be a good fit and tom brady did and tom brady. One and antonio brown came and in the last five games of the regular season. He led the bucks and targets and he didn't record a single drop last year. Of course catches a touchdown in the super bowl helps them win a super bowl so for all the things off the field that have gone wrong with antonio brown it seemingly was a good decision and they're going to bring them back in tampa on a another one year deal. And if you're tony brown. I don't think he's going to get any more money anywhere else as a no brainer. So get up to six million dollars. Maybe another thousand yard season you add to your legacy and all the sudden all the sudden if you're antonio brown all the stuff you've gone through all the craziness off the field self-induced self-induced one hundred percent. But we're talking about legacy. We're talking about hall of fame. We're talking about a super bowl champ. Two times over if the bucks. Run this back and win another super bowl which would be remarkable. They're not even close to being the betting favorites. Right now. the chiefs are but if they were to run this back l. locks up hall of fame for antonio brown lock it in. Yeah i mean he. He also produced the highest yards after catch of any of the bucks receivers last season so he was their best receiver. The last five weeks of the regular season and into the postseason this this was a guy we know. Tom loves him. I mean it's it's secure. You were in the house there in jacksonville. do you think it was a little awkward for antonio. He's rolling up with jake. Paul weird but do you think he sees tom with a couple of receivers and like yo. I mean lose my number one. We're whereas my invite. I wondered that when when they kind of like made eye contact and talk to each other. But you know he's he's studios own thing like tom had his whole crew you know. He's there with his backup. Quarterback blaine gabbert is over the couple of buddies. Has mike evans with them as well. But yeah they're they're maybe. There was a little tinge of jealousy. Tom and by the way like brady was on front row. Front row sitting right behind dana white. And although jake paulin antonio brown were technically in the front row they were like twenty yards back there sitting behind a divider also like you might say like gen. Pop was opposed to first class seating. You know i. I think he's probably a beast thrilled. That tom brady must be absolutely. You know out of his mind to have his whole crew back he has to be. He has the entire team. All twenty. two starters so where are they. Where are they in the betting favourite soclean. Not be by the favorites. I mean you think about. Kansas city right. They have completely remade. Yeah that offensive line. They have one of the better offensive lines in football team. Coming back though. Yeah i'll twenty two recent incorrect. Yeah i i believe so. I believe so and and the weakness was was the align right and then yet orlando brown and all these guys and kyle long and all of a sudden you're like wow i mean you have a couple of pro bowlers. Now on the bucks are second okay. Six to one. The chiefs are plus four fifty nine to two so that's a significant difference and then green bay's twelfth. The one who are the cowboys decided like to the one i mean. Just say where the cowboys. Thirty to one other clip. Tj's mike if he talks about the the cowboys one more time billing coming up this. Is dan heli filling in on the rich eisen show. I'm kidding. i know they're america's team you can talk about. The cowboys are teams have beef. It's understandable. you know. I mean he's sneaky. Pick right here colts. Twenty five to one really. Gimme some other. I always like picking one in that in that range. You know i'll i'll take a trip out to To vegas and i'll pick one of those. They're not a long shot. But somebody where you can put a little down and it would be a nice little paint a couple years ago. I got the nats when they won the world series ole turned to be a nice little is zoya outta boy so the colts are in that are plus two twenty five hundred twenty five to one patriots. Twenty eight to one saints. Twenty eight to one seahawks. Twenty eight to one cowboys. Thirty two one cardinals. Dolphins thirty three to one chargers. Steelers titans thirty five to one charger. Steelers titans thirty five to one. The titans and the steelers are to that. That might be worth taking a flyer. And where the saints did you say the saints saints twenty eight one twenty eight to one okay. Another guy we. We have John coming up later in the show. He's going to be in the last hour. I mentioned that he was a a quarterback coach. Four three guys who could be top ten picks should be top picks and this year's draft also works would they slew of nfl. Quarterbacks including jared goff in matthew stafford and matt ryan jameis. Winston is one of the guys working with as well. You hear about all. These quarterback coaches and jordan palmer because he's very visible. He's very active on instagram. Post and a lot of stuff has been the guy as of late. I'm blanking on his last name. George there was another guy that that worked with quarterbacks for awhile had a couple but trent dilfer was working. He obviously works on kind of the more grassroots level in terms of the elite eleven. But there's not a quarterback coach in the world who's working with more top level. Nfl guys than john. Belk right now He's worked with a guy named adam dato and they've kind of taken over this company that tom house started awhile ago and really kind of leveled up by like ten acts. And it's it's fascinating. How many quarterbacks they're working with john belk has insight into all of these quarterbacks in this year's draft i highly recommend will don't don't change the channel to stay on the whole time because you're going to want to hear what john belk has the pleasure sitting down with him for about an hour from my podcast and the insight that he brought. The table was unbelievable speaking insight. Brian billick album bunch coming up next hour. Dantely rich eisen.

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Gold Standard: Mac Jones favored again?! + 49ers add Gallman & Key

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Gold Standard: Mac Jones favored again?! + 49ers add Gallman & Key

"Okay picture this you turn off your tv you wanna kick back relax and completely over analyze what you just watched. We made galaxy brains just for you. Hi dave schilling. I'm joan array. We're the host of galaxy brains. Paulie guns brand new podcast launching thursday april twenty seconds followed galaxy on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast app to get new episodes in your ear but every week that's right unit galaxy brains were movies. Tv and overthinking collide. What is your everybody. Welcome to episode number. Thirty seven jimmy johnson edition of the gold standard podcast part of the niners nation. Podcast network alongside me as always eleven black. You gave me a weird look. They're eleven did you not like my choice for number thirty sep. I keep waiting on you to mess up. But i think you finally learn your lessons. You probably actually research into now rather than just going with the guy you think. Call you out for those of you. That don't know how. Jimmy johnson was a hall of famer drafted in the sixties. I think sixty one one of three first round picks. The niners had that year. Dude was an absolute stud obviously made the hall of fame when he retired levin. He had the record for most games as a forty niner. Jimmy johns thing. I disagree there is that you said he was a hall of famer. No he is a hall of famer accurate. That did not remove him. As far as i know sorry jimmy. That's my bad Got a ton to do today. The betting odds for the number three overall pick have again. It is amazing to me that not that vegas doesn't even know what the forty niners are going to do. They made a couple of key signings wayne gelman and arden key. They were gonna get into and before we do all that though. Eleven little bit of breaking news. Here on the podcast. I am very excited. Because next week kyle posing. I are going to have a very special guest on the pod. Do you have any guesses as to who could be next week. I sent at draft before the draft one year old. Espn buddies nope. Not one of my old espn buddies. That would be a certain quarterback out of north dakota state. Who's going to be drafted on thursday. We're going to talk with trae. Lance and i'm going to tell him that you are the cheerleader. That's trying to bring him to the forty niners. Because i know it's like live in north dakota. Although his experience in north dakota is completely different than mine like that is a state that there's no comparison between east and west sides of it like he spent his time in north dakota in fargo essentially so he spent his time in a place of one hundred thousand people. And those hundred thousand now. My my knowledge on population north dakota a little updated but from what i worked at the newspaper at the time fargo area was like one hundred and twenty thousand the entire state. Which by the way this state is like as big as most of the east coast combined that was like one hundred and twenty thousand out of a total of five hundred thousand people that lived in the state while so yeah like the different the wet. The west side of north dakota has like fifteen percent of the population or something like that and it's a debt. Half of the state is like the size of pennsylvania. So you see this shirt trae lance war at his second pro day it was. Qb you yeah. I saw it. I don't know what it means. I mean quarterback university north dakota state It's kinda tough to brag when the quarterbacks that have come out of there you who we don't know about yet carson wentz who was the worst quarterback in league last year and eastern stick who can sniff the field. You missed it. She said eastern stick who couldn't really stick with anybody because he keeps moving around late now. I don't think i should have. I really don't but let's get to that right now. Because as i mentioned the odds for the third overall pick have changed once again according to points bet. Mack jones is surging. He is now the betting favourite to be the third overall pick. He is at minus one fifty. That means in case. You don't know that in order to win one hundred dollars you have to bet a hundred fifty dollars so mack jones is one. Justin fields is number. Two at minus. One oh five and trae land is number three at plus three twenty five which means if you bet one hundred dollars and you get it right. You win three hundred twenty five dollars so the odds of song once again lebanon. Yeah but it doesn't really mean jack shit thought vegas saint Let's get the odds to be accurate on what we think will happen. It's people making bets swinging it so it's just a whole bunch of speculation. It's as much bullshit as all the analysis out there in right now you you got some blue checkmark people saying i'm hearing it's definitely mack jones and then you have some blue checkmark people like i think rich eisen even said it today that he's hearing it's going to be trae lance it all like nobody knows like nobody knows it's that simple so stop acting like you know into shut up already and admitted you think like one of this phrasing people wanting to sound more credible than what they are because what they're doing is listening to an nfl a bias or some other bs like that saying well. I'm hearing the forty niners in on trains agents don't know the niners are not telling anybody there are at most. I would say four people know who that pick will be and that that's at most. Kyle shanahan john lynch adam peters and those are the only people. i don't think the scouts. No i don't know. I don't think anybody else in that front office knows and it might not even be that all four of those people no. I just think it's crazy that a week before the draft people think the forty niners are still deciding like. Are you serious. Every team right now knows who they want to pick with their first round draft now the guys later in the draft. Obviously you know. They don't know for sure who's going to be there. But they have someone that they hope falls to them for sure. The idea that the forty niners are still deciding a week before the draft. It's insanity they know. Yeah i would say they no. I think the second were more to confirm things that they thought. You know what. I mean because it doesn't hurt to meet the person more to get to see them in your system. I think it was more. I wouldn't even call due diligence there at. He had a pretty damn good idea of what fields and lance war. They just wanted to see it in person because why not why not utilize that ability while you have it. I mean i. I find a wild that they've kind of been able to skirt the rules and they've been able to basically direct two of the top prospects and say hey. Have this guy beer. Qb coach and oh. Hey mr qb coach tell us everything you see in his daily workout so that we essentially get nonstop workouts with a defacto qb coach. Who we just don't happen to pay. We convinced the prospects to pay him instead and oh by the way make sure they work out in things that are good for our system. It's not a bad situation. You could get it so far. The forty niners have their private quarterback coach that they don't pay and they're ghost general manager and mike shanahan who they don't pay so it's pretty good of your jed york guys working for you than are actually on the payroll a but you talk about. People speculating and larry krueger from k. Mbr tweeted this On wednesday quote. I heard last night. The forty niners met with trae lances parents on their trip to fargo. That sounds to me like lances their guy in jibes with their public stance. That jimmy is there guy this year i mean they were in fargo for like three hours. Apparently according to reports they were wheels up wheels down in and out in three hours. I don't know that that necessarily says to me the train lance is their guy and i don't know how the hell they had time to meet with his parents at that point also. Yes originally saw that he met with their parents. And i thought okay that means he's quite likely to be the guy and i even posted on twitter saying the niners that'd be kind of jerks to say hey higher this key coach. Hey do a second day force in. Hey let's meet your parents and then never mind. You're not the guy but then i found out that the way in which they met him which this comes from. Kosh just tweeted this. I think someone recently the the actual meeting was just that his parents attended the second pro day. So kyle was there too and they kind of had greetings. I don't know how much they actually talked whether it was just hit. Oh hey hi. Or if there was an actual conversation there. But i would say that means less you know that it was more just happenstance. They're in the same place in time. That makes more sense to me because when you see what the justin fields pro day. Yeah they are laughing it up having fun. They were there i think. They got in the night before the justin fields pro day. you know. they're all. They're traveling on jets plane so they can come in and leave whenever the hell they want and it seemed like it was a much more substantial justin fields than trae lance. All i can say is they had this time on a private jet and we didn't get any drunk tweets out. John lynch i mean. Come on you had a standard. You set standard. I think kyle put the kabosh on that. I do not think he was pleased with what happened last time. They took the phone away from john. Lynch i'm sure well. He didn't have the reins so like you mentioned the four people that know. I don't know if john lynch is in that in that group just yet. I bet you john back knows more than john lynch in see. I think that those four guys they know they can trust each other to keep their mouth shut because nothing is leaked out of this regime that they didn't want leaked out in four plus years that they've been together so i would bet those four guys no but i would also bet the only those four guys no i would doubt they like d'amico ryan's defensive coordinator knows you know. I i don't think the rest a coaching staff knows. I don't think scouts. No they are perfectly not telling anybody anything i would imagine. That's the case in. It has worked well so far for this regime. You know people keep telling me people are texting me. Hey what are you hearing. what are you like. I have sources but people are texts. They may in there. Like i don't know i'm i'm worried. It's going to be mack jones. How are all these guys wrong. Shefty in more and all that stuff. My response to them was pretty obvious. Like where were morton shefty. And chris simms when the niners traded for jimmy garoppolo or traded for trent williams or traded to force buckner or pick brandon or picture von like any other moves the forty niners have made. Nobody's been able to predict so. I'm not worried that the insiders now you know don't know what's going on because they haven't in the past. There's going to be a lot of people that look really stupid when this draft pick is made and they're going to be in defense mode of while. no. I said i was hearing that. Yeah from somebody who's not connected. Oh i i had my son tell me so that i could say i heard it. And then there's going to be the people who ended up being right but let's not give them credit because we know damn well. They weren't told they were not told. They took guess they got a one in three chance of being correct. Like it's just stupid to me that people are seeing this and then going. Ooh that means that they're actually taking that. No they don't hear anything from anybody. Credible they're hearing it from people that don't know anything. I'm not hearing anything from anybody. I'm just trying to look at the facts of the situation. What they have said what they have done. And how that applies to the future and make my best guess. And that's why i think it's just in fields. Because they made the move up to number three. They said that they were discussing. You know four or five other pick. They went all the way up to three. Because i think they knew what the jets were doing it to. They went to three because they want the guy that has elite skills and to me. That's just in fields. shannon is talked about. He doesn't have a type about how you know. His views on quarterbacks have changed since he's become a head coach. When i put everything into the bucket and i just look at. What's going on to me. Everything points to justin fields. But that's not because. I'm hearing anything from anybody. That's just my assessment of the situation right in in this one assessment. I have of the situation. Look this is a team that is drafted people that they purposely never scheduled a workout with In years they could schedule workouts just so that nobody would know that's who they're targeting if they traded up because they knew absolutely matt jones was the guy that they wanted because so far what we've seen since they traded up isn't very good for mac because didn't have a very good day. He has not hire john. Belk which screams alarms to me. So if they did know that that's who they wanted because he's done nothing to win it. Then i don't see how shannon attending that day because he wouldn't want to give that signal out he would just stay away from that pro day but instead he made a big deal of attending that pro day and everybody knows including him that he doesn't attend very much for draft and because he prefers to just stay at home and keep researching and doing all that stuff because he doesn't get much out of going to the protas. The protas are a lot more about the gm's chitchatting with each other and laying the groundwork for draft deals or other trades. That are the could happen so to me that signals. If they knew that matt jones was the guy when they traded up. Why would kyle shanahan be at that product. And if he wasn't the guy when they traded up. What is matt jones done to earn it over the other guys nothing. Yeah and you're right the point about back to. He's now working with john. Belk john back. He's clearly shanahan's guy. He has said so publicly on the record that they are friends that they talk frequenly. He's worked with every quarterback at the forty niners hat on their roster last season. While i guess not just johnson. But he's worked with garoppolo and molins and Cj beathard he knows the system intimately and all of a sudden about three weeks ago which is pretty much when the forty niners made the trade. The number three trae. Lance started working with john back so to me that shows that the forty niners were debating between those two guys and not mack. Jones like that is a massive massive indicator to me. The forty niners. You know sometimes. Play coy with stuff. But this is something that you can't really hide. You're either working with with john back or you're not and mack. Jones is an to me that means. He is not in consideration. I don't care what the betting odds say and yet also got a mention. Zack wilson. I think zack. Wilson is an option. I don't know if we would be over. Justin field to trae lines. I don't know where they rank those three. But zac wilson also works with john belk now. That one's longer kind of like justin fields where they kind of purposely sought out john beck and hired him not because the niners said saw the time. The niners didn't have the third pick in trae. Lance is the one that yeah it's pretty clear. He hired john back just to try to be the number three. Pick but zac. Wilson also works with john beck so i would think he's in the running for number three. It's just almost definitely not going to be the case. Where he's there at number three. I cannot wait. We are a week away. I i want all the speculation. I enjoy the speculation and talking about it. But i just want to pick to be made because i think i'm going to be right and i just want whoever it is. I want to be able to focus on the future on. Okay we've got our guy. What does he do. Well what does he not do. Well what will he do better here. You know how. Can i envision him interacting with the rest of the offense like i just wanna be able to pencil in that guy. I want to be able to draft that guy madden and i'm ready like let's get to it. I'm ready. did you see the thing tweeted really early this morning. About espn's draft kit thing that according to espn. There was something like a ninety eight percent chance that justin feels it was going to be available like eighth overall. Something crazy like that so it was this thing that you basically you say. Are you picking in the top in the first half of the draft or the second half. Okay first-half are what position. Are you looking for quarterback. What type of quarterback are you want him. And this was really stupid because it was dual threat. Okay then it's trae lance and then they gave the percentages of when they thought he would be like what percentage you'd be available at pick five what percentage you'd be available at pick ten and that was based on Kuyper mcshea all their experts weighed in and they had four different options. Obviously you know they had I forget what they call them all but it was dual threat for lance. It was accuracy format jones. You know those things. And so i picked. I got to the one that was fields. Which i don't even remember what it was and it said ninety nine point five percent chance is available at pick five so if you do the math on that and they you translate that into betting odds since we've already talked betting odds that means it. They're saying it's a one in two hundred chance that he's taken in the top four picks so that's saying that he's a one in two hundred chance of being taken a number three which would mean if you placed a bet with those odds one dollar would win you two hundred dollars like what the hell are you doing i. I didn't even look at the rest of it after that i was like. What are you talking about here. Many nine point five percent chance at five. It was mind blowing to me and i honestly reminded me why. Yep this is why don't read. Espn that's why we'll pay for us pm. Plus i mean. So much of this pre-draft stuff just completely disappears. The second depicts are made. And i know that like we're trying to create content and stuff but sometimes it just gets out of control. It just gets crazy. That's nuts to me because even if the niners don't take him at three he's probably going in the next fix because if atlanta doesn't want him i guarantee you there is somebody else that does that is going to move heaven and earth to get that pick and i bet you. The falcons are kind of hoping that that's what happens Because i think they will move if they ran but the idea that he's not gonna go four. I think that would just blow my mind. I would be stunned if that happened. I don't know if i necessarily be completely stunned. Because elena might like the other one. Because there's going to be three guys you know maybe they love trae lance and they take trae lands at four or maybe somebody desperate for kyle pits like there's a chance that number five still has justin field sitting there but it's nowhere near ninety nine point five like i would put it at like more like a thirty percent chance. He's still sitting there. Five like yeah. There's a chance. But i mean. Stranger crap has happened in the draft. I mean there's all kinds of quarterbacks that have slowed in the draft. So you're going to have the hell's that's happening but it's likely and it's definitely not an almost sure thing as they put. It is so much of this stuff to seems off the wall to may but we're we only have a week left. Thank god There's one more little draft tidbit i saw. That came out from one of the forty niners beat writers just before we hit record. I wanted to get your opinion on and then we'll get to some of the moves. A forty niners made on wednesday wayne. Goldman is a forty niner. Arden keys a forty nine or one of those moves. Tell us about what the niners think of their team in twenty twenty one dave. Have you ever watched a movie or tv. Show and thought. I want to immediately fall down a mind. Bending rabbit hole Yes well good news buddy. We're doing that every week on galaxy brains. Hey i'm dave schilling and i'm joan orie and we are the hosts of galaxy brains. 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Or your favorite podcast app for answers to the biggest questions of today's biggest movies and shows you'll learn a lot like to never trust an alien especially when you're buying an old vcr for craigslist here. That's story it doesn't end. Well dave it doesn't and well we're back here on the gold standard podcasts. Okay eleven. I saw this from matt barrows before we started recording. He tweeted story coming tomorrow. Which courses now today. Thursday a look back on the twenty eleven draft. Which for my money is the most interesting one this century for the forty niners he spoke with trump balki for an hour about it. Which according to barrows is longer than he's ever spoken to him when he was the forty niners general manager. And in case you forgot twenty eleven is the alden smith colin kaepernick year agree with matt. Barrows that that is the most interesting draft for the niners this century. No i don't. I could see the logic if you're going to go interesting because you get the whole Kneeling thing involved. But no i. I don't think it's the most interesting. I think there are others. That are more interesting. I mean you. The alex smith frank gore drafts that also had a time offensive. Lineman like adam snyder Later in that draft. Like i think that there's at least that one i would say is more interesting. You have a number one. Overall pick quarterback that was literally the topic to debate. Like we are talking quarterbacks this offseason alex was debated like that for you. Know six seven years straight. And then you have the all time leading rusher for the franchise. Who's one of the most popular players in franchise history also in the same draft. I think you have to that one. And then obviously there's also ones like the patrick willis joe staley one fig also shawn golden made a pro bowl on the team. He's in that same draft. Like there are other ones. That i i would personally put above it. I think you could get into an argument after those two. But there's even like going way back. Because i had to look this up once you mentioned it but there's even ones like you could go back to the two thousand and one andre carter. He made a pro bowl. You know i had a pretty darn good career. You longtime linebacker jamie one born taken after that you got into the whole kvant barlow thing because he was taken third in that same draft and then you went also throw in a little little bit more into that draft you. Add cedrick wilson. Who was around on the team for awhile. And the seventh over are the seventh round. Pick the last pick for the team in that draft. Was eric johnson. Who we've talked about in the show in the guy that was supposed to be this great tight end who couldn't stay healthy but he was a very interesting player. Put it that way. The last draft. Pick that bill walsh ever made eric johnson seventh round. Pick out of yale. I think i mean look. There's obviously a lot of years to choose from. I think twenty ten is really interesting because you had anthony davis mike you potty and navarro bowman that's a hell of a draft right there to study offensive wineman for you and you get you know one of the best middle linebackers. The team has ever had on the same draft that to me was super interesting. And you get you get the really bad interesting in that draft that you're talking about because you have the taylor mays. Everybody was really excited for that. But it's interesting minute. The topic is still brought out. And then the last two picks in that drafter Interesting for really bad reasons. One of which is reason you have kyle williams which they need to say much more and then you have the seventh round pick. That year was phillip adams who was recently in the news for horrific reasons being accused of i think what was the three murders. I think it was even more. The nat wasn't six. yeah. I can't remember right now off the top of my head. It's one of those stories. It's like you know. I tried not to dwell on that story because it's just horrific but even if you take that away because know so many years later that he became interesting if kyle williams like you said and taylor mays for batteries and then the three good ones that you brought up there are certainly been a lot of crazy drafts for the forty niners. Also bruce miller in twenty eleven was defensive end. they took an a seventh-round turn them into a pretty good fullback for them for a lot of years. To of course he ran into his own off the field injuries. But i just. I saw that tweet. I'll be interested to read the article from barrels. Because i you know. I always like you're not gonna get the real story from guys right away years later when the have less lose you get your have a better chance of getting more out of them. So if he talked too bulky you know. I think that could be an interesting read but i just saw his point and i wanted to run a pasture about the most interesting draft all right. Let's get to a couple of editions. The forty niners have made one is running back wayne from the giants is now a san francisco. Forty nine or two arden key defensive lineman who played for the raiders last year does the gaughman signing to you which i like but does it kind of signal to you that the niners don't have a ton of faith that regime most there can stay healthy for sixteen games I wouldn't say that. I think it was just a a bigger back. The became super cheap. And so why not replace essentially cab tevin coleman where you get a bigger back for when you want him. They now have a goal line runner. Even though wilson has proven to be really good at goal line. He's not really goal-line runner But goldman who can fill rolled and nobody else could in that offense. The one thing that i think would signal to me is. The niners aren't going to drop. I'd be shocked if they use a draft. Pick on a running back even late because there's no need they might bring in some undrafted guy but unlike previous years. There's not really a chance to earn a roster spot because it doesn't matter how good you look. Jeff wilson has proven. He deserves to be on the roster remastered. If he's healthy he's going to be on. The roster goeman proved last year when Barkley went down with the giants that he's a really good big beefy running back that like i said fills a role that nobody else does and then you have all the other guys full of upside that were around. Last year i agree. I don't think a draft pick is going to be used on running back. They'll probably bring in somebody. But i like. I liked the roster. The room there that they've put together. I think they've got guys that can do different things. And i think that overall what we've seen from the niners is they are trying to build in redundancies in their roster. To account for some of these injuries like to me. They know they're not going to get through the year where basically nobody gets injured. Like the buccaneers just had last year. Pretty much nobody got injured for them. They've had an incredible year healthwise the niners are planning on. Guys getting hurt. So they're trying to build for that in their roster. I think that they are putting together a team that is is one of the deepest in the league. Specially one of the deepest in the nfc. And i think they really think that they are going to make another run at it this year. So along those lines let me surprise you with a topic out boy. You see the video on twitter with him running looking to be on the comeback trail still out there. If i'm not mistaken would you be open to bring him back. Alexander assuming he's dirt cheap. I mean if he's dirt cheap maybe but he's not starting. I don't want him as a starter. I don't get an offer out there to start. I mean he's somebody the might sit around and not get any offers until there's injuries and training. Here's the the angle of that. That i like and where i think that i'll exander would have the most value to the niners. Was talking a little bit about this. With kyle posey yesterday just off the air the leadership for the forty niners especially on defense with richard sherman. Now gone he was like a coach on the field. He would help a ton of players offensive and defensive and unite. I've talked a little bit about this too. I think that the niners are in a transitional phase when it comes to leadership and quan was a really emotional leader for the team when he was there and they are sort of lacking that now on defense. If i had to pick anybody. I guess i would say fred warner. But he's not really a super vocal guy so they are kind of missing that a little bit. And that's a void that kwan would fill. Yeah i think they have good leadership on defense but they don't have the vocal one like you were saying. I think eric armstead is seen as as the leader on that defensive line in terms of captainship type things you know obviously both says a better player but that doesn't necessarily mean you're the leader in the sense that we're talking about. I think eric is kind of the leader. Obviously fred warner among the linebackers in the secondary. It's probably jimmy ward but none of those guys are vocal quiet leaders. That are more about kind of being tactical. I guess you could put it. You know what i mean. They're kind of like deep thinkers as an example guys and so i think they do kind of need a vocal type of guy. I think they're going to need somebody to kind of step up. Not that like you always need that vocal leader but sometimes like things start to go off the rails a little bit. You know like when you're in your car and you happen to glance down at your phone for a second you look up and you're kind of drifting towards the line. You're not going over the line but you're headed that way. Sometimes i feel like you need that kind of vocal leader to point that out nip it in the body and get you back in the center of the lane. Maybe they should hire you to just a vocal battering-ram for the defense because you're mr flying high. You're always super high or super low depending on how the game goes well. Yeah that's i'm a fan. I'm not gonna apologize for it. That's that's how i roll. I i if i could help. I would like i would prefer to be much more even keeled but this is how i am and i'm thirty six now. I don't know that that's necessarily going to be changing on the offensive side of the ball especially with the change of quarterback. I can't speak to you. Know i don't know if just feels is super harare guy. He was a key component in them actually playing college football last year and he's conference so that does kind of make me think that maybe he is a vocal leader but whoever they get. I don't know if trae lance i don't know if mac joneses but i mean. The quarterback is a leader whether they want to be or not so. I hope that the person that they draft is a vocal leader. Because there's pressure on you from that position no matter who you are. I think it's kind of hard to see what a quarterback's leadership demeanor is like in reality in college especially top college programs because in in college. The coaches are you. Know the kings of that program what they say goes and they don't like people kind of standing out. You know what i mean. Like a of the college coaches they have the program everybody fall in line whereas the nfl especially once you get the big contract or your top draft pick. The quarterback is the guy you know if he's really good. The quarterback will be chosen over the coach. Most of the time. If it comes down to it. So i i. It's kinda hard like you've seen players kind of come out of their shells before there have been players that they weren't quite as vocal in college and all of a sudden again the frozen yelling and screaming all time. And i think kiddos a leader on offense to He strikes me as a vocal guy. And he's good enough to where he can. You know have the year of the locker. I think there's less worry on offense for me than defense but we will see speaking of defense by the way i mentioned it. Arden key. come on down. You are now a san francisco forty nine and we. We know the pattern with the niners. They like to build depth along the defensive line and they want to be able to have a good were they call it the bravo squad. Whatever their second unit is that they you know. They want to be able to cycling guys. That can contribute when they're resting armstead and both guys like that. Yeah arden key. I think it's assuming it's a super cheap deal. It's a quality signing but it's not one that really moves the needle for me at all i. He's a guy that like. i'm not even sure he makes the roster. I think he's more likely to make it than not. But i don't think he's any lock whatsoever to make the roster. Why do you have to do everything. You're such pooh-pooh or i'm just realistic. Like yeah. i think wayne gaumin a great thing. Don't don't really care. You know to me that that's on the on. The level of like jordan willis last year. Like cool doesn't doesn't matter one way or the other i well. Let's get to something that i know you care about 'cause you tweeted about it if you haven't noticed you probably haven't been following the league meeting super closely. The league change the rule this year to expand which jersey number certain positions can wear. Running backs linebackers defensive backs wide receivers tight ends can now wear single digit numbers. I think anywhere from one to forty nine and you don't like it levin because you are old man yelling at clout. I think you're overdoing it. A little bit on. How much don't like it. I merely pointed out that personally. I can understand where player becoming from if they want to move back to their favorite number because there there is a thing about your favorite numbers but at the same time. If you're somebody that is a young player that's been popular people bought your jersey jersey's aren't cheap. A lot of kids out there or adults like they buy a jersey. That is a big commitment and they only commit when they think of somebody. That's going to be around long term. If you change their jersey number their jerseys instantly outdated and you know. I think about that specifically with deebo. Samuel samuel who's likely to change his number. How many people out there have bought his jersey already in are going to be like well. This is not up-to-date anymore. It's gonna make instantly dated now. Like i can understand why they want. Change the number. I'm not gonna be mad at anybody that does i just personally think that it's kind of a jerk. Move a little bit selfish. It's their number. They have the right to wear whatever number they wanna wear. You know when you buy jersey like if deebo samuel get cut or traded that jersey's just as data and you knew that when you bought it so there's always that risk depot has people don't go out and buy jerseys of fifth sixth seventh round picks because they hope they're going to be something they wait until they see that they are something and then buy it back all those people that bought number ten jerseys. Yeah those people like that is one like nobody saw that coming. It is what it is but this is. Somebody willfully still being on a team saying well. You're jerseys no good anymore melman by another one. If you like that player enough to buy my jersey by my new one one thing that could be a factor if you want to change your jersey this year. The league says you have to buy any inventory of your jersey like so all the unsold. Let's say deebo samuel jerseys deebo samuel has to buy those if he wants to change his jersey for twenty twenty one. Now if you waits. If he puts in the request this year he can change it in two thousand twenty two and not have to pay any money. But if you want a new number this year if fred warner wants to go back to number four this year instead of fifty four he's going to have to pony up some Coin of the realm. As hank schram would say so. That would be an interesting thing to see how many jerseys are out there. Then and do they pay the sticker price or do they pay the wholesale price because those are widely different. I mean i don't know. I never knock off chinese jerseys probably made in the same place as the one that you're getting if it's not but i don't like if you just think about it if it's one hundred dollars average price because you're talking about authentic and non authentic jersey. So one hundred dollar average price for the jersey. Even if there's what only ten thousand out there that'd be a million dollars you have to pay to change your jersey number. Samuel can't afford that. He's on a rookie contract from a second round draft. Pick and i would bet ten thousand of them out there front one or is going to be able to afford it pretty damn soon. I'll tell you that he could just get that. Get alone to cover that cost. Because he's going to be getting paid They also change the on side kick rule by the way so this year they're not doing the fourth and fifth alternative which i think would have been a ton of fun. But they're not doing that because of the nfl. God forbid they do anything fun. What they've decided is now. The receiving team can have to fewer people in the zone where the onside kick usually goes so. They're hoping that with two less guys. They're the the kicking team. Excuse me will be more likely to recover it. You know onside kicks used to be one of the most exciting plays like. I would say you had your hail mary. And then you had your onside kick and those were like the of game you're on your edge of your seat guaranteed place. And then they said who we can't have people crashing into each other in a physical sport so let's limit everything about kickoffs including an on side kick like that. That's why they did away with the onsite kit. It's because they didn't want people crashing into each other and maybe getting concussions but at a certain point it is a context. I can understand the wedges because you guys getting a fifty yard headstart i vomit into a wedge of people. Yeah that's not a good idea. It's an onside kick. It's a ten yard running at each other. It's not much different than in the trenches during regular snap. I just wish that they went to the fourth and fifteen to me that super fun. It's it's super exciting. Just make it a little different to me. The onside kick. I mean you almost need somebody to screw up in order for it to to go right. I don't necessarily like that. I would rather see a now. Come of a game be determined by somebody doing something. Well instead of doing something poorly. But that's just me. But god forbid the nfl do that. They also said they're going to increase taunting penalties yesterday. 'cause that's what we all need more flags and i'm trying to think if there was anything else other than that it was super interesting all the replay official now is going to be able to advise the onfield officials on certain things if they screwed up a call. If a guy's foot was inbounds you know on a catch or if there was a fumble stuff like that. They're going to be able to just buzz down and say. Hey this was a fumble. This was a catch. This wasn't before a replay review gets triggered which is a step in the right direction. They could do better. But at least it's something duh. The damn skied judge. Or whatever you wanna call it already get the calls right. That's what everybody wants and make them as quickly decided as possible. And guess what makes the decision faster having somebody in the sky looking at it right away and not waiting for the referee to run over to the sideline to look at it. Hundred percent agree. It's not a hard concept. no it's not. You need the officials to have the benefit of all the views that everyone watching at home has and you need them to have the benefit of those views as fast as the viewers at home. That's what everyone. That's what pisses everybody off about the reviews that they take too long. You need to be able to fix this stuff as soon as we see that it needs to be fixed at home and they you know they. They're god forbid they do it right. You gotta be dragged kicking and screaming to do the right thing near the. Nfl is Stupid sometimes by sometimes. I mean like every year that makes him rural change. It's dumb in whether it's hey. You can't hit the quarterback except for this one six inch spot or we're gonna throw a flag now with. He goes quarterback rules are quarterback. Hasn't been able to stay healthy. Yeah so why. Not let the other quarterbacks get hit so other teams lose their quarterback no yak be nice if another team besides the forty niners lost their quarterback for a change but Hopefully that that will not be an issue. Hopefully in about well actually a week seven days from now By the way. I want to remind everybody that niners nation is going to be doing a live draft show. And hopefully you're going to be a part of it if you're feeling up to it after a vaccination number two but the plan is to have you and everybody else into the pool. We're going to do a live show at eight o'clock eastern right when the draft starts you a cash. Kyle posey nine. Nate leo luna everybody into the pool stream to the niners nation facebook page and the niners nation youtube channel. It's gonna screen a stream to my twitter account at stats on fire. Was going gonna be plenty of places for you to see it. We want interact interaction. We want comments everything but we are going to be there with you. Alive during the draft. A couple of things one. It's your chance to put our ugly mugs with the voices that you've been listening to on the podcast. We will be on video for better or worse to there will be One one issue for me that donned on me since we recorded last. And you know this from game. What do i say when you text me immediately after a play new phone who is no i i have streaming for my cable. Whatever you wanna call it. I use youtube tv. So that means. I'm delayed probably like thirty seconds. Generally and so. Sometimes you text me and it'll be something like old. Wow or what the hell or something like that. I'm like well. Something's about to happen on this life. There's the step. And i just realized like during the past week i'm going to be watching live draft with other people live and it's going to be one of those things where everybody was. Oh my god they took so and so and we like oh yeah yeah okay they did. Will you avert your eyes and ears from the livestream before the pick made. Because i love not knowing. I don't look at twitter before the picks are made like i want to be surprised. Yeah i don't know. I'll make that decision when it comes i. I don't know who's going to be. I would assume. I will probably be the last one because youtube tv is generally. It's kinda hit or miss but normally it's like a full thirty seconds to a minute behind. Wow but i don't know who else has yeah the streaming all the streaming cable options are that way. But i don't know what other people have on our network have right but what you guys should do is Pause your feeds and we all get timed up together. So that i don't have ruined by you jerks. We're definitely not going to do that. Pat just telling you right now. I'm not pausing every thirty seconds after the pig of aid so you can catch up. You better get on twitter or something. I don't know man but figure that out. I didn't think of that but you're right. That is a factor. I just kind of assumed we'd all be on the same page there but you're right now the others in the west coast too so i would almost guarantee you will be the first to know because you are east coast in all tv feeds. Come out of new york and then are routed elsewhere. So even though like when i moved out west i found out i was about a second and a half to two seconds behind Family back east. Well i think we can all agree that. I should be the first to know but nice to know that you confirm that. But that's something that we are going to be doing. I'm super excited about it. Are you going to shave for the live broadcasts. No this this takes me how long to grow like and then you've been watching it. That's the face you're going with. Okay all right and stuff as that you've looked at for like a year and decided. Hey i really need to bring this guy along with me. So that i can get this job face for radio so that is good also please rate review and subscribe. I didn't mention it before but obviously it. It really helps us with awareness. If you like what you hear those a ton of niners podcasts out there we know we really appreciate you listening so let somebody else now. Why you listen and why you like us. Please leave a review. If you have any questions. Of course you can constantly hit us up. We will be happy to answer them. And by the way eleven another thing that we have just added as i jam just as much as possible into the close of this show is we added a niner's nation hot take hotline which is gonna make our instant reaction podcasts. A lot more fun on sundays. It is basically well it is. It's a voice mailbox that you can call whenever stuff happens and leave us your heartache. If you like it if you don't like it whatever it is and we will play. Your hot takes during the podcast. The number is four one. Five four nine eight to two zero call. It leave us a voice message question. Whatever you want and we will play it on the show. I'm sitting here laughing. Because i i just had this flash as you're reading this of hotlines going to be completely filled up with niners nate freaking out about something that happened. God help that hotline. If mac jones is the pick because nine hundred eight is going to be feverishly calling and swearing. Yeah it's gonna be interesting. I'm hoping he's on the life feed. He is the one that i'm gonna know instantaneously picket because it's either going to be. He's jumping and going crazy. He's happy but not going crazy. Or he is broken his computer and he's no longer there and that would be justin fields. Going crazy trae. Lance will probably be really happy but i'm not sure he'll go quite ballistic or mccorkell jones will be broken. Computer needs gone. Yeah they will be off the team because something. We'll get broken for sure either. His computer his hand after he punches the wall. But it's going to be fun and we wanna be there with you as much as we can so please join us for the live show. Also we'll have reaction to all the pics on day. Two of the draft. Kyle posey and i and basically anyone else that we can get that wants to join in is gonna will be there with analysis after each pick the second round or the third round and by the way if anybody not naming any names happens to get traded on day two or three of the draft. Who will have instant reaction for you there as well so niners nation is the place to be next week now always but especially next week and just a close with this. All important thought that. I know everybody listening really cares about. This is by far the most realistic random name generated by this thing is i signed as you know. I don't ever type in my name and it is randomly. Generates the name for minutes as practical transmitter. I'm the practical person doesn't go crazy. Higher low on anything and then transmitting. But i just thought i should bring that up since we bring it up. Occasionally that is by far the most realistic one so good job service that we used record. 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John Clayton Gives Us His Thoughts On The First Round Of The NFL Draft

The Sean Salisbury Show

13:38 min | 5 months ago

John Clayton Gives Us His Thoughts On The First Round Of The NFL Draft

"Let the celebrations start more. Sean salisbury marie. Show on club friday and he loves the come into club friday with us. Every friday at nine thirty professor world wind day across the nfl. Some of chalk some surprising. Let's get the professors inside. John clayton guy for years. Sportstalk seventy joins us on the sean salisbury shows. He does every week. Johnny let me start here. Welcome in my man. I know we still got a bunch of days left of this in the first round when you went to bed last night Who left you scratching your head with a. What did they do. I'm probably in the way the giants handled that trade that that had me scratching my head. Here's jacob gentleman who's never except for last night Made a trade now. He's at eleven you know he wants to and again. Obviously he's a general manager. Who needs to win this year. And he wants to surround is quarterback. Daniel jones was much as possible. And so what did he ended up doing. How many ends up trading down just fields so the chicago bears which was a great move by chicago but in return they got to mid round picks and a number one pick next year and then they come down and they take navias tony a wide receiver. Who's probably going to be drafted like twenty five or twenty six now. Remember this draft is supposed to be a draft that has according to scott mckittrick and carolina and others. Maybe only sixteen first rounders get a clear. Second rounder with your first round. Pick out eleven in like john john. What about the raiders. There they always wanna leave your head scratching. I mean a lot of people were saying the same thing about alex leatherwood nine. Oh he's a. I mean a saving guy five first rounders from alabama. You kind of trust what they do. I guess but it seems like they could have got this guy in the second round. Maybe i mean i know. He's a good player but The raiders again. Just do stuff different. That has people wondering what the hell is. is in their thinking in the draft them. Because it doesn't seem like a plan. Kevin jenkins i thought would have been a better choice. And that's the guy that. I think tom cable. The offensive line coach wanted Because i mean a little better athlete. Good blocker at the right side. And whether would you know. I had before the kansas city trade for orlando brown. I am going to thirty one with kansas city and clearly. I mean he's got a low. I mean i got a high second round grade and coulda gone in the second round. He wouldn't have made it to the raiders. But you know for the number one you take leatherwood over jenkins didn't like that and then number two you come back and You didn't do anything to help your defense. You know the defenses hurting and so You know. I think jenkins would have been a better choice. So that was a head scratcher. John clayton professor joins us here on the shahnaz. We show john. What of these five quarterbacks initially in twenty twenty one who's going to the best situation to start and win Well i don't necessarily know if mack jones is gonna be able to start and win that job over cam newton You know 'cause you still think that Even though jones is probably the second most equipped to be on the field. But i think he's a great situation because you know he goes to a better team. We can talk about You know what's there for zack. Wilson with the jets. It's a bad team. Trevor lawrence is the best quarterback. But he's not a bad team then of course you have trae lance. He's not gonna play this year. And so i guess you could say the second best job is probably going to be justin fields in chicago but then what you wonder about. It's like okay. How are you going to sort out the cat mess. That's going to be there. Because i mean you pay ten point five million dollars. For andy dalton. You've then came back. And you still have nick foles on your roster but he has a nine million dollar guarantee and so you know nobody's gonna want to pick that up. I don't know if you're gonna have to give him away in a trait. It's like teddy. Bridgewater was giving away and carolina. So that's gonna be a mess and right now. The bears going to have enough cap room to even signed her draft choices. All right. so john. backtrack here. And i like jimmy. You not talked about jimmy. I think he's really solid player. I do i. I think he'd take some undue flack because he was on a good team and isn't like the explosive flashy arm but he's a solid player but some people think that he has a ceiling and obviously kyle to or they wouldn't have traded up in essence three first rounders flop in one. You know flip in there with with men the trade and in two other ones at twenty two twenty three. But you say will lance isn't gonna play this year. The first time jimmy garoppolo if landscape does well and picks it up quickly the first time jimmy throws two picks and they're one in one or one and two to start. We had this conversation about baker. The back in the day i still going to start right off the bat and you saw well. It's probably better for them to sit. Do you still subscribe to that. Because if they're playing the same or they're equal trailer that's has to play and no matter. What jimmy garoppolo does. This is his last year in san francisco even if they made it to the nfc championship game. He's getting moved all doing his auditioning to raise stakes for him. I'm still not convinced he's going to be there. The season starts now. She'll be there with the season starts now because it. Where's it gonna go. I mean that's the one thing that limited because chicago getting a guy that is the one thing that new england getting there. That's the one reason we were saying earlier that you could see jimmy coming back because it's limit what we're where's he going now because those were a couple of spaces where we thought. Maybe it moved. John the pressure in the kyle. Talking about what. We moved up to three to get a quarterback to start. I mean if lance shows those flashes that we believe he has house. Jimmy going to stave this off on a really good team. I just don't see him playing this year because understand at the end of the season tipped off that he says i like the idea with kansas city. Did you take first round quarterback and you sit in for the first year and you know you know that. This is a very complex type of offense that he runs and it takes time to be able to learn it and so You know i i. I just can't envision any way the trae lance is going to be ready by the first game of the regular season particularly if he's not going to involved in any of the offseason program now The offseason program can help him doing. Ot as if he does come in. We'll see how the draft choices handle that. But i think it's a very difficult thing to do. And i don't think there's an urgency there because i think it's not like how has fighting for his job when he signed a six year extension and you know that he's going to be there for a long period of time. I mean he's looking more with lance for two thousand twenty two and he wants to win now and so You know the one thing that You know kinda tipped off that he might have been the guy. Is that back at the beginning of the off season you know he went to lance and says listen i have a guy john beck. Who's a good friend of mine. Used to be a quarterback in chicago and i. I'd like you to train with him. And john beck did handle him because he fired his trainer and went with him. And you know 'cause you train quarterbacks that's a real important thing and so John belk county kept him involved and Kept him informed of what was going on. And so in the end they ended up taking lance but again taking with the idea that he's not gonna play this year. You make a great point. Because as good as alex smith wasn't they went to the playoffs. The jimmy it's almost. It's almost eerie similar. Right john that no matter what alex did was playing the next year and no matter what jimmy no matter what. All's it is to increase. Jimmy's value that if he plays really good football then you go steal a high. Second rounder. a low. I if he plays great football. Then you still get trae interesting. That's an jimmy's got prove he can stay on the field to which has been a problem. The last couple of years. John aaron rodgers. Do you believe that he's going to play another down in green bay a unless he's got to go to jeopardy i mean i there's not much of a choice because they can't trade him thirty three million dollar cap if they trade him and just like The silly russell wilson's stories. Which were you know dumb You can't take that big of a cap and 'cause then all of a sudden you go into rebuilding. You're talking about a team in green bay. That's got cap problems. And you know if you trade. Aaron rodgers your cycles over. It's done because now you've had to restructure six contracts to get under the cap. You don't have enough cap room right now to be able to go ahead and advance and you know. Try to even signed draft choices. And so and. But i. I'm citing with aaron on this one because i am too. I am touching like it's like you know you're talking about a quarterback that hasn't had help i mean he's the mvp and you can say. Oh yeah well. He threw forty eight touchdown passes but were throw to. I mean it was him not necessarily because the only receiver that he really has is the voluntary atoms and he doesn't have much tight end except for you know mercedes. Lewis is older than two of us and so like maybe the two of us combined. It's like what does he really come in. Yeah go ahead. And so it's like a you know. And then what what did he do in the last ten drafts. Last ten drafts. They've had Nine defensive players as the first pick in their drafts and one offencive player and that offense player was jordan love. I mean please. Yeah and john. You know what's interesting too. And they gave him the middle finger basically again by draft the defensive player yesterday in the first round so but john love this situation. Still okay and you're right that he's under contract but don't you think john you've known him a long time and sullivan and i'm on his side. One hundred percent on this fifteen years in a league reigning. Mvp don't you. He's score keeper. John you and i both brady. He keeps a chip in his head. One his whole career. Don't you think he's stubborn enough to say i'm not playing. You can say it because again look at all the money he's made during his career and the fact that what his base salary is around fourteen million dollars. It's like okay. I'll sacrifice some of that fourteen million dollars maybe can get traded during the season We'll see where that goes. But no i mean you're watching the situation with the shawn watson watson. Obviously it's a different story. Because of what's going on off the field with watson but still i mean the money is low enough and the money. He's made that you know he can afford to sit. Wait and try to force the issue. So if that's going to be the case and i just don't understand Green bay management because You can see why probably has no trucks right now with anybody in the front office you in the first year he questioned the offense that was there but then he got comfortable with that but then now If the story is true that they told him that they would trade him which would have been a stupid thing to tell him and then backed out of making any kind of trade I it's always even or orchestra. Yeah more piston. John in with this so with that in mind and then so there comes a point if you know aaron stubborn enough green bay if it wasn't for salary cap you'd sit there and think well we could still get a couple of first rounders forms a super bowl. That guy's arraigning. Mvp let's get assets form so we don't lose out on everything. Final question would let you go. Did i know they got bridgewater. But you know he's a bridge no pun intended to the next guy and drew lock. Who apparently denver doesn't think is the answer. Is there a chance the by denver passing on a quarterback where they were in this draft that they believe that they're in the aaron rodgers sweepstakes john winston they could call and found out. No we're not trading him but they're in the sweepstakes you know sometime You know maybe during the season or something like that saying john elway elway lynch. Yeah elway and oh yes i. John elway called from san francisco but obviously they're not going to do anything because they made the move for trae lance but You know you can see denver could be like the only team that might be able to do it because they have the cap room to be able to do it. They'd have the flexibility to be able to do it bridgewater because it got him and remember pro football focus from whether it's too high or whatever it is said that the broncos had the sixth best roster in the nfl right now and so here they get bridgewater who completes sixty six plus percent of his passes seven point three yard average. I mean he's not great. I mean it's qbr's like forty eight or something like that but drew lock. According to the pro. Football focus is the fifth worst quarterback in the league last year and completes less than fifty percent of the passes it was tied with fifteen interceptions for the league lead and so now they have a better chance of maybe they can go wild card run with teddy bridgewater but then ultimately if they can find a way to get aaron rodgers. Help them in the long term. Yeah i'm gonna say this we go. I don't believe. Aaron rodgers has taken a snap to start the season in green bay. Now i don't know if they'll take the ferry if he'll take one two weeks after they trade him i think he's played his last significant time in green bay. I think he's gonna play somewhere else. We'll see you know and not a hot take. Just think sometimes after fifteen years he just stubborn enough to say. I'll walk away if i have to with an mvp in hand. John great stuff man. Enjoy the next couple of rounds of this draft and we'll catch up to you next week. All right thanks. That's a great john. Sports talk seven ninety. We'll come right back and finish up as we give way to. Andy clue chris gordy in the trenches next.

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Hour 1: Pro Day ... Again

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

43:47 min | 5 months ago

Hour 1: Pro Day ... Again

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That could make a big impact on your budget tomorrow. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates comparison rates not available in all states or situations. Prices vary based on. How you buy g jay williams podcast monday morning. April twenty nine. Th can't get here fast enough 'cause keys head is gonna explode just what we thought. It was bad jones to the niners. Now trae land big news trait here in just a little bit. Welcome inside. Another wiki sean. Jay will zubin the left. You here's from keyshawn. johnson is old teammate from. Espn seven ten in la travis. Rodgers will join us in hour. The super bowl champion chris. Canty will be here in a couple of hours as well. Thanks for being here again. Presented by progressive insurance all of our guests on the goodyear hotline key. How's the weekend. We were just talking about the weather like any two people normally would here in new york. How's the weekend and then we'll get to a really big week. For a lot of quarterbacks it was cool. I mean the weather was better. It wasn't quite eighty five degrees. There's been but that little fifty-seven was much better than it did. I take that run to the hills people. I have my shorts on you yesterday. My flipflops my t shirts. I looked like i was going to the beach but it wasn't quite beach ready but it was. It was nice. It was fine. Speaking of ready is trey lance ready for his big day. The reason i mention that is that trae lance actually as you may recall today you ask me a my weekend. What did you do probably just kind of hung around a little bit. I live in an area where it's crazy. I just go for a run all the time but the one thing about going for a run in new york and i'm always scared of now that traffic has picked back on kind of wilder earbuds in and i'm listening to podcasts. And things like that. And i am paying attention but my is like the greatest right now. So i've got to be like extra vigilant. And i don't want to go for a run at night during the day. My eyesight is a little bit hurt when brightness is out there so it's one of those things where you wear shades though. Can you prescription a little bit if you see me out there if you chuckling. I'm trying to run a big runner. I run about eight miles a day. But i've been inhibited a little bit healthwise but i don't wanna walk either so with the olympics. The olympics happening this summer in tokyo. We think i've gotten into. I look really awkward. Doing this and i hate to do this. I'm into that power. Walking like the guy that that i wanted to walk like a leisurely pace but i can't run because there's too much stop and go in new york even though it's the weekend is a little less traffic on the weekend. Plus people out with their babies the strollers the dogs and sometimes like literally twenty feet in front of me. I got to be a little careful. Even though you'd probably be able to see sixty seventy feet new orleans you the phone and gopro record. Because i need to see you moving up and down power walk either the arms going and the feeder moving really fast and all that have you seen. Have you probably haven't seen the movie. Are we there yet by ice cube. I dunno have okay. But i'll have allen. Pull up clip. The guy the actor in can think of his name. He was power walking. Kids think it's the funniest thing ever because he was just. He looks kind of strange. But you said you're running but you don't have to be on the street in new york. They got the you know the jogging lanes on the on the west side highway side. Can't use that yeah. I usually go by the water. Okay and it's just one of those things that by the water. That's because the weather is nice. That's where you're going to see families that's where the kids are like throwing the football and they got going away. Yeah and i just you know you know the biggest thing you have to watch out for brother alan if you if you could dig that out. I'd love to see it The key to what they call them again. I'm not a parent you got kids the little the little scooters do you know what i'm talking about the deliberate the razor. Yeah yeah your dog. I got about twenty of them in a garage somewhere. But it's the one for the little kids like the little words. They don't pay attention to anything. There's this like mom and dad has twenty feet behind. Hey look out like that's for me. It's too late. Because i can't see them because of my eyes until they're too close here. You could be a little bit of an accident waiting. But i need gopro power absolutely can get a lot done get a lot done power walking at target and back so we'll trae be on target today. His first pro day. He said it was a super bowl march twelfth. He actually had his pro day before. Zack wilson before mac. And before just the trevor lawrence is just on his level by itself because everybody was there and all that but he had. I had a chance to make a first impression. You told sports illustrated. This is my super bowl. Twenty seven teams were there and by all accounts. He performed rather well today. A ton of teams will be there. Shanahan's going to be there. The entire falcons contingent is going to be there. They're picking fourth so you tell me even though this isn't a newer phenomenon you've always said produce have been followed by second workouts but after justin feels had his second produce last wednesday trade today the most unknown of the five first rounders. If you will. What is the besides. Just balling out today. What does he really need to show today that he didn't on march twelfth. When everyone said you look good kid. Well i think because again pandemic right. We're gonna continue to say this as this thing unfolds. I think because of the uniqueness of where we're at right now with the pandemic teams are not hitting everybody's days all at the same time so it kinda scattered all over the place. You have a coach to hear one or two day. Or maybe general manager didn't get a chance to see him the first time around or whatever the case to decision makers now the san francisco forty niners for instance the san francisco forty niners essentially have scripted along with. Quincy avery exactly what they want to see out of trae lance which means that what they do in their office they wanna see his dropbacks his movements the things that they could envision him being for them while he's working out even though all the other teams are going to be there and that's totally legal in everything in the interesting thing about it is if they have private workouts. They could take you through that in private workup. It won't be amongst the other teams. It'll just be you shanahan. And whoever else right that they would invite two years ago when when sam darnold was coming up to three years ago. Whatever it wasn't. Sam darnold was coming out at usc. I happen to go to the denver broncos private workout for sam darnold so sam and it was elway vance joseph and that whole crew they would just them and he was throwing to a couple of receivers and they wanted to put him through a private session. This is different now. And now a couple of other coaches will get an opportunity to see him shanahan and john lynch or the main too because this is the sweet spot at three. The new york jets could be there but for everybody. Everybody automatically assumes. It's wilson at two and now the mac jones train. As i said before i left last week. He will not be going three he. Just it's not going to happen and i understand. Everybody believes that for whatever reasons but you don't move up in give up all of their draft capital. Get a mac jones. It's gotta be somebody like a tray lance who they just see they go if we don't get him he's not going to fall to us because somebody else is going to get him or it has to be a justin field in this situation. So it'll be fun to see too bad it won't be live but we'll see some clips of it and You know i. I wanna i wanna know what they really think about it like. I really wanna know like what. What is john in. What does Shanahan think about him. Because you got a veteran guy. Jimmy garoppolo who could sit there for two years and he can learn under jimmy g. Much like alex smith was there as that somewhat bridge to patrick mahomes until andy reset. You know what it's about time. And you see young quarterbacks young quarterbacks that have very little experience which is only seventeen games in his career as a starter in not at the not at the level but at the fps level which is totally different level of competition. But when you're looking at this young man you're not looking at the competition we all know what the petitions they got guys my size playing defense ally guys your size chasing. It's a different. We're looking at his skill. Kim we envision him in our system delivering the footba to our guys in. That's what they'll be looking at. No doubt we don't know exactly. What shanahan and lynch will think of land. But here's what they're thinking with regards to lance. You mentioned quincy avery. He was on our show last week. The quarterback coach essentially for trailer and justin fields over the last couple of weeks to spend some time with john belk. If you're a college football fan you might remember that name. He actually quarterback at byu and coincidentally is also working with. Byu's zack wilson beck essentially went to shanahan and lynch. They got together and said. Tell me what you need to see from trae lance administer that workout so essentially lynch and shanahan of told back who just got on board with lance. This is what we wanna see and part of. Today's workout will be exactly what the forty niners have did. And script last thing. I want to say. I've said this a couple of times before but i don't think you can hammer this home enough with trae lance key said it seventeen games all against the f. can't really look at the quality of competition have to look at what the guy is. There is no quarterback in modern. Times has come out of the f. that is left early. I can't say that enough. Tony romo the late great steve. Mcnair carson wentz from ndsu. Joe flacco from pittsburgh and then to delaware to the nfl. Every single one of those guys used every last drop of eligibility because the notion was. They weren't ready for the nfl early. This guy is headed to the nfl at the quarterback position out of the f. c. s. early. It's something we've never seen before. And i'm just saying that should not be lost in this conversation on the way win. Totals whatever team trae lance ends up on win totals. Who's got a hit their win total this year in the nfl or else. Eighty eight say espn. If you're not sure your team's win total is call us. We'll tell you and we'll make the call together all that and more after this from cintas today people expect a new level of clean syntax provides a wide range of essential products and services that help businesses keep their facilities in employees. Clean and safe. Cintas will keep you well stocked with its central supplies. Like facemask hand. Sanitizer gloves and thermometers syntax will hygienically clean and deliver. Your uniforms syntax also helps you protect employees and customers with i in safety supplies and fire protection. Services cintas helps you open your doors with confidence every day. Learn how cintas can help you. Keep your business clean and safe. 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This year's sensually vegas has set them. Caesar's william hill. If this team doesn't meted it probably meets its demise with regards to its head coach. Gm bonn or both just a quick reminder. This year there are seventeen regular season games week. Seventeen will be afc versus nfc. It'll be interconference for each team but remember it's a little bit different because obviously last year at sixteen and one game cannot see. Make all the difference in the world for that last playoff spot. So let's run through a few key and just a reminder. This is the total number of wins. They need to hit in seventeen regular season games. You can hit us up as well eighty eight say. Espn intimate seventy nine. Three seven seven. Six give us. Your team will give you the win total and we can discuss it. Let's start with the giants huge year. Dave gettleman daniel jones. The giants sit at seven wins. Can they hit. I think they could hit of either over that. I think they can. If everybody's healthy. I think so. I keep forgetting about the seventeenth gains for. I'm so used to sixteen sixty. My mind got wrap my mind around seventeen. But i think they can. I mean they were close last year. I mean they were close right making the playoffs. They were depending on philadelphia. They helped him philly. Didn't help them so they missed the playoffs. Seven it's time for straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless straight to the nfc. Now this is an interesting team. The bears snuck in last year with eight eight on the nose. But that was eight and eight. This would be eight nine. Or perhaps it's nine and eight seven and a half with everything writing on general manager ryan pace seven and a half seven and a half. I think they can get over seven and a half can be eight and nine the playoffs and hit the win nine games. I really honestly do if you think about this team. They were doing pretty well at the start of season. Even though they were clunking alone they were winning. Games and mitch trubisky then. All of a sudden nick foles came in they won a couple of games and it went south and then they had to go back to trubisky which basically back door into the playoffs. And i think when you you look at it. Andy dalton. Any dong got better the second time. Around with the cowboys. He got a little bit better to cowboys as a team to get better. But you can certainly see where he kind of started to feel comfortable as starting quarterback for the cowboys at that point in time at the end of last season so from from the outset. He's the number one guy in chicago and let's face it. Andy dalton what god awful in cincinnati. He wasn't just like just so bad. It got it got pretty bad toward the end at from a team aspect a. J. green was in and out of the lineup. His main target tied in. I can't think of his name. I'll talk my head was in and out of the lineup. They was just a different offense in. So when you look it that you gotta go. Hm hugh jackson was gone he wasn't the core the coordinator anymore so it was just. It was different for him. But i think this time around in chicago. Starting at the out the gate. He should be much better quarterback than he was with the cowboys last year. So if the bears don't hit seven and a half you're saying it's time to clean house cleaning the cleaning house. I was supposed to happen. If they hit over. Seven and a half. It might still be time for cleaning. I mean it just depends on what it looks like right. If it's this. Offense is still stale. But they won seven or eight gains because khalil. Mack in the defensive side of the ball held their own. You still got to take a look at the supposedly quarterback expert guru. Let's talk about the saints. If they hit their over total of nine and a half what happens. The only reason i ask that is. It's a little strange to see a sean payton team. Not a double digit wins. We did mention. It's been almost you know a decade plus since that great moment i'm not taking anything away from what they did for katrina winning the super bowl bringing those fans life with joy but drew brees is gone. You got a couple of qb's that are both in many ways to a degree unproven. Especially in their locale at the saints hit nine and a half still possibility of trouble. No no they're over there over the night half and it wouldn't be trouble even if they didn't sean payton coach to he doesn't want to be the coach anymore. The only issue that i have is. I'm waiting steele. It's been like you said with ten plus years. It's like come come every year. There's an issue when we get into the playoffs. Let's go let's go whatever it. Is that figure it out. And i think i he could look. We all assume jameis winston's the quarterback we all assume that jameis winston has had some bright spots it in this league at the quarterback position. A guy did throw for five thousand yards. I don't give a damn with nobody say okay. Just because he threw thirty interceptions. You discount those thirty interceptions and bring it down. Let's call it twenty interceptions because some of the routes will run bad some. The boss tipped off other people's hands. Whatever the case may be hell. Mary's whatever it was caused those numbers to rise. I think he's a good quarterback. I think under sean payton tutelage full-time and he gets all of that. Attention from sean. He will become a much better quarterback with all the weapons that he has at his disposal. If they stay healthy. This team is probably going to come out of the south again. It's amazing sean was with this during super bowl week and he called winston a prospect. I mean the guy's a number one overall pick in two thousand fifteen. He called him a prospect straight. Talk wireless no contract no compromise. Let's get one call in here. Johnny in florida. You're on espn radio. Go ahead hey. What's going on guys. Get more hitting righty. So i was just listening to you guys. And i think the over and under a dolphins fan So thinking that coach flow to be safe or add organization just to get looked at. They would have to win. Eleven of twelve games with the new seventeen Week season coming up because against all we're tired of the mediocre seventy nine eight seasons We wanna see someone all these traffics are getting and these signings that they're doing To push forward for the playoffs on what you guys think about that. Thank you johnny. That seems lofty. I'm not saying it's not attainable. But that seems lofty. Twelve wins twelve a lot. If they can get me one or two more wins than they had a year ago. They're moving in the right direction. No doubt about that. That's all that matters is or the going up or going down. That's that's how you judge this team. We're gonna have yet. We're going to five. Quarterbacks likely picked in the first round this year. we think history tells us that two of the five likely won't work out maybe even closer to two and a half. These are fifty fifty propositions in the first round history says so who are the two teams going to regret. Drafting key with the answer after this from straight talk it's time for some straight talk. Sure saving money feels good. But cutting your wireless bill in half. That feels really good like a walk off home. Run in the ninth inning. Good okay maybe not that good but pretty darn good with straight talk. You can get twenty five gigs of high speed data for forty five bucks a month up to fifty percent less than the other guys. Plus no contract all on america's best networks. Why pay a whole lot. When you pay half straight talk wireless no contract no compromise but hey this is mel kiper junior. If you're like me and can't wait until the nfl draft than the first draft. Podcast is for you. I'm joined by field. 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But in many cases it really is especially at the quarterback position keyshawn j. will zubin presented by progressive insurance all of our guests including the nfl. Insider dan graziano on a bunch of related draft topics coming up in about fifteen minutes from now so key. We're thinking this year. Five quarterback could go in the first round and we're thinking i a couple will probably bust out the last good example. We have is if you go back to the twenty eight draft. There were five quarterback selected in the first round. And i think you can say three of them hit with josh allen. Lamar jackson and baker mayfield and two of them. Didn't for the moment with sam. Darnold josh rosen. So there's your two of five busting already all you have to go back to twenty eighteen in the last draft where there are five. Qb's so let me ask you which one of these guys isn't gonna work out knowing. Probably a couple won't and then we'll get to a ton of tweets from people who have weighed in with their thoughts not not work out. What is not workout mean. let's call them bust. let's call it bust. want to call it bus. Let me i gotta think through darnold. Josh rosen didn't pan out. That's the example to use dwayne haskins. Didn't pan out for washington. Regret making the pick. I i gotta believe two guys would be. Justin fields will not just in feel and trevor lawrence. The to highly rated guys would be. That's what i would have to think. The reason i say that is because i look at trevor lawrence. He goes jacksonville. Urban meyer first time. Nfl head coach. D'oro bevill is his offense coordinator slash quarterback coach. When i start to think about it. Who is d'oro belleville tutored in gotten to the next level that you say oh okay. I mean like coach. Brett farve with brad childress coach russell wilson back in the day in minnesota but brett farve was already established like seriously right. I can put that on my resume and get through russell wilson you know he. He brought him along but at the time that he was bringing russell wilson along russell wilson was handing the ball off in a defense was winning games. So i look at that. And i'm like you know what's that gonna be for trevor lawrence in jacksonville. A lot of pressure in a lot of everything. Now he may turn out to be the greatest quarterback to ever play. Whatever you wanna call it but these things are so tricky man is all about the right cast of characters that you have around you the playmakers the offense system game planning calling the plays an understanding of what the nfl level is all about. And then when you look at justin feels what team does he fall in. And who's the guy who's going to be teaching him and understanding his strengths and weaknesses in his skill set because he has a unique skill set. And if you don't utilize their skill set you're going he's gonna go wasted in your system so those would be the two guys right there. I think that you are in lockstep with our listeners. jay z. Because we just got a bunch of tweets on the screen. Which i'm gonna reel off. And some of them are a little humorous who we can discuss them but almost everybody on the screen not exclusively but overwhelmingly is going with. Some combination of feels are lawrence which i was really surprised. I thought you were going to go. Mack jones there to appoint at wuhu yeehaw. Thank you going with fields. Randal jones and wilson. I think a lot of people would probably nod their head. They're jeremy probably whoever the jets take at alex underscore cortez thirty three out of pocket. T. law william is going with zack. Wilson poor guy is going to the jets l. k. to chat. Goldilocks from clemson. That way devon says not. Goldilocks but trevor lawrence. Too much hype too much pressure. Shane going with wilson fields. And tyler. this is a trope but this is it's true. Justin feels will continue that. Ohio tradition of a hyped up quote unquote great college. Qb one of the greatest in program history and called. That ends up falling on their face in the pros. That's a little bit harsh but it is fair to say we discussed last week. How state is not the interesting thing about. Trevor lawrence situation is he's going to be pushed into the starting role like they're going to hand him the keys to the car immediately. We're mack jones probably is going to fall in the draft. Not go to the forty niners. Like everybody's saying so. He could sit behind somebody later in the draft in kind of learn much like whoever goes to the forty niners jimmy garoppolo. Let's assume it's trae lance. He goes to the forty niners at three he got. He has a couple of years. For for almost alex smith for garoppolo. Jimmy garoppolo to kana. Teach him how to be a pro quarterback plus he's going to a team like cal shanahan. That knows what he's doing. We're quarterback so you trust that he's going to get the most out of trae lance and if justice fills goes to the forty niners instead of lands. Then i would feel more comfortable taking. Justin feels off of that and saying okay. He now has to sit a couple of years before he takes over to develop his skill. Set and i would disagree with people that say that the ohio state quarterbacks are not you know they're bussed in the league and all that no matter what the situation is. Their system has been in place at ohio state for a long time. Trestle hill jon cooper. I mean it's just the style in which they were running things until ryan got their ryan day. Got there in the quarterbacks or different now got better read more. Nfl sorta kinda ready. They're drop steps or more. Nfl not a bunch of you know rpo dropback stepdaughter ball. In the bubble screen. This is not urban meyer florida. This is not urban. Meyer ohio state. This is ryan day system. So it's a lot different. It's more pro ready throws than we've seen in the past with a high stay quarterback and at the end of the day you have to realize that the collegiate level as much as they can say look we put in the nfl their mandate is to win games. Would any program in america loved to win as many games as alabama lsu ohio state. Absolutely how many quarterbacks did those three programs through the winningest programs in the last decade put in the nfl very few but the mandate is to win games. Defense running game whatever it is. And if we have a service quarterback we have so much. Five-star talent around won't matter. We're not worried about sunday's we're worried about it on saturday. Only quarterback i can think of at lsu is really joe joe burrow and you could go to jamarcus russell but prior to jamarcus russell who was the quarterback from lsu played on sundays. I mean that had a cup of coffee and we honestly no you know that was the case but not really even at alabama to write in alabama is. Well i mean. I can't even the last alabama quarterback outside a tour. That really would make you go home. It's about it right. I mean grody had a cup of coffee. Mccarron's backup you have to go back to richard. Todd i mean you'd go back really was like two years old right. I mean it's like you gotta go way back way back to think that alibaba and it's not it's not that this is what they recruit is just that their systems don't allow them to be put in that situation because there's so much talent around them they don't have to do a whole lot and when you don't show your abilities that you could do a whole lot. Sometimes that pushes you down in terms of grade or the way that scouts and head coaches general managers view and we should also mention that. I think it's important to note that there is one school. That recently has produced a ton of quarterbacks in that is relatively speaking. And that's clemson. 'cause you're gonna have to shawn watson you could app trevor lawrence. You're going to have this kid yongle. Lay all of these guys. So you also use uc tj you for For j. will there but at the end of the day those guys are going to clemson to get to the pros and the latest in that group for the moment is going to be. Trevor lawrence made a A lot of a lot of heads turn last week. He told sports illustrated that. He doesn't need the competitive chip on his shoulder. I defended him last week. I didn't think it was a big deal. I think when you've been anointed since high school. There's no reason to have a chip. If baker borough wants to have a chip and they feel like people didn't recognize her talent go for but lawrence realize some of those comments in which he said he didn't really need football as much as you might think it caused a little bit of a backdraft so he tweeted over the weekend. I'm gonna read the tweet. Here and then get a comment from up from our jeremy fowler on why this is exactly what the jags are indeed looking for even public perception says otherwise so lawrence trying to tweeting quote unquote key said. Clean it up. I'm internally motivated. I love football as much or more than anyone. It is a huge huge cap letters priority in my life. Obviously i'm driven to be the best. I can to maximize my potential to win win in caps and then he said i don't need football to make me feel worthy person. Buddy truly loves everything that comes with the game so he didn't quite backtrack. It's more of a clarification. Because i don't think he would take back what he said he just wanted to be understood different. No no i'm not gonna let you go for it. Is he wanted to clarify it. There's no question about it because the questions. You're the leader of the team. Is a quarterback in the questions are going to come out. Like how much do you love football. Do you really want to do. You love this game to the point where you would cut your finger off like ronnie lott to play that that's dedication in football. You have to be dedicated. This is not football is not a. I'm going to show up for the job own if i do. Well i do know no. That doesn't work this work. It's very violent game. You will get somebody kicked out. They're not taking it serious. Elti you will have someone hurt by not taking it serious. Not loving it. You've got to have the passion love it. That's why coaches are in the office at four. Am in the morning and some of them not going home to two and the next day because it's a passion it's a love that's why you lift weights in the off season. That's why you run you sweat. You have tears in the summertime it early in the morning. That's why you hear the horns waking you up to go to training camp because you've got to love it it ain't for everybody now. I was told by coach once before. You know what this gaming for everybody is just not and it's okay if it's not for everybody and it's fine but we need to know who you are as a team me because if i'm going to battle with you all in between those white lines i need to know where you're at. Where's your head. I can't go out there with you and you half ass in it. That's not gonna get us to where we try to go in. That's the reality of it whether you want to believe it or not so for him to release that statement after he got some pushback from people in any comes out and wants to clean it up a little bit. I get it understand it. You've still will probably going to be taken number one over on jacksonville's trying to dupe everybody. It's not gonna hurt. Would jacksonville feels like about him. Because i'm sure they're meeting with him constantly as much as they are allowed to on zoom they're communicating with him to get to know him because they want to know what type of individual they're bringing into that locker room indeed so we'll agree to disagree there but obviously we all agree and so trevor that had to be done. Something had to be said so he jumped in there. Let's jump into the conversation with dan. Graziano espn nfl. Insider right dan. So what do you make about the initial comments and then trevor feeling the need to backtrack to a degree to at least clarify himself. Here is is great. I was off last week and and wasn't really paying attention and some kidding getting caught up on this over the weekend and so i've had the whole entire thing take place already see for me. I don't i don't mind guy answered the question. Honestly like honestly i do my job live you want more of that not less of it so when the blowback comes. That's the part that frustrates me. Because like now you have a young man. Who's going to be guarded about his answers. And i don't like that but to me i mean i hear what keyshawn is saying but there's gotta be more than one way to succeed. I mean as somebody who's been covering professional sports for the last twenty five years one of the things that's fascinated me. The most is talking different guys about the different ways. They approach things in different ways. They go about things. And i mean what trevor lawrence didn't college. You can't do that if you're not dedicated to it so i don't understand why there would be any question about his dedication just based on a quote like that in one story. Well you know dan you you. You're different ways as we know the skin. There's no question about it but college in the pros are two different things. I've got an eighteen year old year old guy. i'm playing. I got a grown ass man with a full beard. That has family that he needs to feet. And he's relying on you to do your job so you need. He needs to feel a certain way about who. You are coming inside the locker room and i think a lot of people get it mixed up. I think. Oh well you know. He's a lot of games in college. College it is different. There's different responsibilities in college versus the pros professional athletes. We wanna know who's sitting next to us because it's important to us we don't wanna just have guy kind of you know as you can see guys that come into the league that fail and you thought that they were all had all the talent in the world look at why they failed though because they didn't love it embrace it the way that you need to embrace it all about the athletic ability because guys would lesser athletic ability. They make because they embrace the moment and they go out their way to be dedicated to get it done now. He doesn't have to be rog. I know he needs to be genuine and people need to feel that. He's genuine so they can follow him as the quarterback the number one guy in the leader of a team but now let's move on exactly right but but wait. Teammates are going to judge him based on what he's like around them in july august september october november december january. What he said to sports illustrated in april. I don't think this. I think we have to remember what we're talking about here. Is the guy doing an interview in a relaxed time of year right but he may be a wild man when he gets training camp and his teammates go. I've never seen anybody this all in just because he's not saying that in april when it's time to chill out i just don't think it's something. Hold against him. No you know you. Don't hold it against him. But you certainly are taking a look at it. Just like the san francisco. Forty niners are taking a look at trae lance along with justin feels mangled. Nice segue a bunch of other quarterbacks in this year's draft so let me ask you this who who are the forty niners going to take at three after moving up from twelve and giving away a low to get to that spot hopefully sometime in the next ten days we know look. There's a lot of smoke around mack. Jones has been since the trade the four. The forty niners four aren't very good poker players when it comes to the first round of the draft since john lynch and kyle shanahan got there we've known who they were gonna take with their first pick literally. Every year i mean last year they trade deforest buckner for a first round. Pick and almost instantly here. They have their eye on javon kinlaw. They end up taking kinlaw two years ago. It was nick bozo the way. So that the mac jones stuff is legit and they definitely like that player but the fact that they have been so involved in justin fields pro day last week and trae lands pro upcoming today to the point where they asked lance to go work with john beck. Who's not his quarterbacks coach. He works with avery to go work with john. Belk because beck has a relationship with kyle. Shanahan and kyle wanted john. Beck's is on this guy for a couple of weeks and to give him the specific drills that they were going to ask him to do at the pro day today. That tells you that they haven't ruled out the possibility of taking one of these other guys so ten days to go. They're doing all their due diligence. They're getting in-depth as they possibly can with these guys if they like mac jones and he's their top choice then that may be who they pick but they're definitely allowing fields and then today trae lance the opportunity to elbow their way into that discussion and maybe change their minds dan. We're talking doing college. Football season obviously september whenever that thing was october whenever it started last year during the pandemic. still going. someplace you're right. We had the conversation about trevor. Lawrence has one injustice fields. Basically one be now all of a sudden justin feel. Seems like he's five a in his quarterback con conversations that he's fallen. What has happened from the end of college. Football season to where we are today to even be having this type of conversation about field. I think you heard a lot of zack. Wilson buzzed building at the end of the season and he had that great performance in his bowl game and then the pre draft process has been kind to him obviously so now we expect him to go number. Two and fields remains a mystery. Still could be the niners pick. I don't think that he will be. I think he's probably running third in that race right now. But he still could be. Quarterback is very subjective. They're very players that everybody has agreement on by the way i mean honestly trevor lawrence. I think anybody who had the one pick would take him. But that's unusual and especially once you get past that one to spot so fields may not be san francisco's cup of tea. But he may be exactly what the atlanta falcons are looking for. You may be exactly with the denver broncos. We're looking for so all that's happened is further evaluation in a year by the way when any talent evaluator any executive any scout. You talk to says we have the least amount of information about these guys that we've ever had going into address because you couldn't go scout them in person because you can't have them into your building and talk to them face to face so it's not surprising to me that the evaluations would change significantly over the last couple of months based on how little they're really working with dan. What's going on with the second pro. Dads weren't asking informing in the listeners. That listen i mean it's a. It's a pro day at standard fields. Had a second last week trades today as you mentioned then. There's always the private workout which i guess in some way shape or form could qualify as a second pro day but to me. This seems like a new phenomenon like i'm scheduling a second pro day. I don't really remember this in years past but multiple guys are doing it something we could see moving forward or is this just one of those key said pandemic related things where it's just tough to be in two places at once. It's that i believe. It's that given their preferences. These teams would rather bring these guys in and do these private work. The forty niners are having a private workout for trailers today. They designed it. They're going to administer it. The only difference is other teams can also be there so given their preference. The teens would rather do that. And i think assuming we get past this and get to the point where the the old rules can be an effect again and you can have private workouts. It'll go back to that but it's what you said. The niners able to be at justin fields. I pro day because they were at mack jones. I a second pro day knowing he wasn't going to have another one and that feels was so that's all it is is just an ability to get as many teams as possible to see you in person in a year where they really can't do it the way they usually do. It is fascinating to note that it's going to be a forty niner scripted workout. At the falcons will just be sort of hanging around seeing if they like with. The forty niners are running trae land through. But that's kind of where we are at this point a huge spot for trae lance five weeks or so after he had his first day which he called his super bowl so i wonder what this one is. Whatever the next thing bigger than the super bowl is dan. 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