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Epic Voices

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Epic Voices

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I has marksman long really are low. It is corporate eats below. Hi it's isaac money with melissa. Hey today right as faneuil. i'm fine. How old songs from our going to view all to be today on the children's hour we are doing some voice acting. Both roy were using different voices to become different people. That really were just the same passion. Which just experimenting with our voices you see. We have one of the most bree eminent voice actors alive today on the children's hour as our guest. That's right folks. We've got john bailey himself the epic voice guy. Please don't go anywhere. Stick with us for another great addition of the children's our kids. Probably grady al. Hello i am a low voice together. We would like to sing you a song. Let's dirt alert. My voice is low. earth. My voice is low. We sound like this and speak. God's my voice is low forest very nice high volume. I've got an idea. Why don't we change our voices to meet in the middle i. Well let's see you in the middle. My voice is into my. My voice isn't lows forest isn't to gather we sound like this and we saw speak because my voice isn't low and man pallor year and the most in the wall. Do you like to sing a song with us. I think that would be acceptable. Are count are stained the middle and lower. You go back down now. oh yeah. He's a voice is thorough. Voice is my voice is in their own home water. Maybe just one voices chris. Lam sam from his silly funny songs for kids release. You're listening to the children's hour and today on the show. We are so excited because we have the epic voice guy himself. John bailey with us on the show today. Hello john bailey. I you just sound like a normal guy for voice actor. The kids have a lot of questions for you. Let's go to so soleil. What's your hobby. Actually my hobby kind of has to do with my job. A little bit My hobby is was has been making videos for the internet. I started doing that. When in two thousand seven and lot of that work led to just stuff that i made myself lead to actual voice over jobs because people heard what i sounded like in the videos or they really liked my humor or all the impressions that i could do and some of the voices that i grew up doing as a kid i would do videos about it or i would do a speech like the one of the first videos that had like a lot of us was doing the optimus prime speech from the movie from two thousand seven and a lotta people are like. There's no way that's your real voice that can't be but that all the vege eventually led to booking jobs that made me famous. You know so you never really know what when you put out. There might come back so any anytime. I see a chance to do anything that might lead to some more work than you know. What's the harm in. It makes people laugh or it's it takes them a break. And i've had a lot of people that were in a really bad place at the time where they were sick. Or they're going through something really hard and they're like man that really. That really changed things for me. I really needed that at the time so it does good for people and it did good for my career. That's terrific. What is the voice from the oculus. Rift oculus rift. Yes martin name is oculus rift okay. Boomer everybody's going to laugh now. It's optimus prime contracted oculus. Rift is at vr helmet brain. Somewhere else. that's okay. Well that's totally mortifying okay. Isaac i helped me out. What's your question. What does it mean to be a voice actor. Well the jobs kind of written right there in the name you act with your voice. That's pretty much all there is to it. And there's a lotta different types of voice acting. Sometimes i i have to fit in specific mouth movements for like an anime series and sometimes there's no animation done yet and i just act in the night anime to me and other times it's a commercial and very specific thing you have to do other times. They kind of leave it where you can kind of make up things along as as you go and they kind of course correct and then sometimes i do movie trailers and then sometimes i do voices for toys which has to be a little bit different and sometimes i do voices for video games which has to be slower than like animated things so every part of the job depending on what job it is is a little bit different but it all comes from just acting with your voice and a lot of people think that oh if i can read that means i can voice act with they forget that you need to be a good actor to be a good voice actor. It's not about having a cool voice are doing a bunch of cool cartoon character impressions or whatever i mean. That's great for like tiktok but it may not get you a a job in what i do. So what inspired you to be voice actress. I want to be very soccer's ramirez this little voice of voice actor actually the they kind of retire. The term actress altogether. They kind of just call. Everybody and actor now inspired a voice actor. When i was a kid. I heard optimus. Prime's voice but he wasn't in transformers yet he was actually doing voltron. And in nineteen eighty whatever. It was His voice was what started off the show. Across time and space voltron defender of the universe. I was like wow. I i wanna be whatever that is because that was the coolest thing i've ever heard and that kind of always made me interested in pursuing it. I had started doing like repeating back. Voices that i'd heard from shows. We didn't have a television because we were poor But my grandmother did. And i would listen to sesame street characters and listened to mr rogers. Now just do those voices. And eventually i ended up doing that for a living projects. Have you done this too many to list one that a lot of kids knows honest trailers and honest game trailers have been doing those for good grief a decade. I guess now But i've worked a lot of our transformer stuff i The new anna maniacs. That's on hulu. You can hear me as pegasus and episode three which is really cool for me. As a maniacs is one of my favorite cartoons grown up a kid. Lots of video games Streetfighter four x com. Got four four. There's just a lot of different stuff. That i you know. You never really know a lot of movie trailers. I feel on for a lot of famous people too. So i if you hear me you know. I'm pretty much chauhan's everybody to watch. Detective pichu pika to. Yeah well guess who filled in for Peekapoos voice that was this guy so My the one that's easiest to find is when he's fighting char's arden occasions like that was actually they thought i was funnier than ryan reynolds was so and You can hear me again. Towards the end of the movie when i was like the annual rhyme so he put him on parade. Was the the newscaster right before the final battle. But a lot. Of what. I it's called agr and i go in before the movies finished right now. I'm working another ryan reynolds. Movie and working on dwayne johnson moving and i just kind of fill in for their voices along the way Anytime they feel like they need to fill in a space. It's pretty easy when they when they have the actor like this. You can't see their face. Because i don't have to worry about the mouth matching so i can fill in stuff. Or if it's like hairy. It's time to explain something that's about to happen. And then they start showing a montage stuff all they need his voice for that part because they don't show the person on camera and they have somebody like me do it because it's a whole lot cheaper and faster to get me to do it than it is to have some big fancy expensive actor come in from europe or wherever they are at the time. I'm pretty sure dwayne johnson's in the jungle somewhere making another jungle movie because of their availability and the rates allow the time they get somebody to. I had no idea a lot of people. Don't and you may be shocked. At how many famous actors that. I'm actually voice and is not them. I have shocked pretty much. All of the guys in marvel. Hold the marvel cinematic guys. I've filled in for one point and something or another so so we could actually just be like fire bartle characters and you'd be like oh. Yeah this is voice. You have pretty much i mean. I am billionaire genius. Playboy philanthropist gino and we have a whole so we think we're talking to the voice guy. John bailey here. Children's hour about being a voice actor so much more coming stick with us. Let's get grumpy. I'm going down to the club. I feel kinda craft rubbed real naff boats real good grub down love ethnic reputa- i'm club. We use grumpy. Voices played games grumpy choices. A nobody tells us voices down down the grumpy down in the glove coke. You could just sit around glaring nagoya brown and brown. It's relaxing things in town down in the rump. Time and tom club thing grumpy dom that we all your great. Nobody's wrong down at the tab glove down. 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I change with the times except in his sacred when mountains. Big week strong because he says what he means. Any what is this. You can understand the. But if you can't choose bob bob now by ask bob kane chow stone bad back. Everybody by don't stain speak a foreign language. That mimi can be just a was now Brinson you ever down That's on a move. From a cd call grassi. S with bob. Along and her bob dylan impersonation over the break. You heard torah b. o. Got his groove back. That's the hip hop booty os and the grumpy time clubs. The title track of carry ferguson's brand new release. You're listening to the children's hour talking with the epic voice sky himself. John bailey and the kids have a lot more questions. Let's go to us then. You mentioned that you've done a lot of voiceover for video games and also for anime and tv shows what's the difference between doing show versus a video game video games. They aren't already animated. And we can just act so we just have the we have a huge line of the the the the the work itself as a way bigger job because it's just pages and pages and pages of lines. It's not a dialogue. Most of the time it's a reactionary. I'm sorry so what are you doing here. And then i have to do that. Three or four different ways. Because you know every npc. If you've seen the commercial for free guy you know what. An empty is For for you katie. Nbc's a non playable character not to be confused with the oculus rift or optimus. Prime you're never gonna let me live that down so They all have a set standard thing to say when you run into them and you try to ask them questions in a game and sometimes they'll have ten lines sometimes sometimes it depends on what part of the game. Your they have an additional satellite somewhere else or there may be a quest and you have to finish for instance got a war for. I'm one of the lake spirits. You have to go find all the spirits around the lake and each one of them has their own individual quest and when you finally defeat the quest for mine. I pop up and i was like boy. She's never done it like that again. Had all these specific lines and i interact with crato listeners. in nature you know so Yeah the lines are ridiculously long. And there's also a lot of things efforts so i don't know if you've ever gone to the gym. I know i don't look like i do. But every time you you work out or run or you play you notice that you make sounds you may not pay attention to them because your body just kind of automatically when you run or when you live something you know. That's every sound you make though that's considered an effort with video games. There's a lot of fighting. There's a lot of like come on. Let's get him. And oh i got hurt and you may get hurt by a spear or fire or by electricity. You have to know what each one of the sound sounds like. And it can be very hard on your throat for a guy like me to do that. So i try to book those jobs in the weekends so i have some time to get better before i do another job. Animation is a much smaller script. It's usually much shorter. Time video games take up to four hours whereas a show you know maybe thirty forty five minutes. It depends on what the characters if your main character. Obviously you'd have more lines to do but for a guy who does what i do. You know. i can do five or six characters in an anime for example and all of them have three to five lines of peace. And there's no like you know any of that stuff go how melissa so like you said with all like this process of you growing up and you hearing voices howard you actually become a voice actor and make a living off of it. Well that's probably the question. I get asked the most and everybody gets into it differently And a lot of people say well. I can't do that because i'm a kid. Well i don't know if you've ever watched nickelodeon or nick junior or any animated anything. We bear bears the whole episode with the baby bears. Those are real kids guys. They kids are actors too for that type of work to be in the right place unfortunately because of the way things work a lot of people won't hire outside of los angeles for example or new york. So there's only a few major cities where you can do stuff like that but things are changing because of technology now. I can do a full session. An animation session or an animation. Be game session right here. this somebody asked. Where do you work. Well you're looking at the box in my living room. I don't have to go very far for work. I sleep five feet away. It's not to the point yet where anybody can just do it from anywhere For example a lot of animation has done at fundamental which is in dallas texas and you can submit online but if you want to record you have to be there and unfortunately because of the pandemic that changed a lot of things and force people to figure out a work like this which i've been saying for a long time you can do it like this. You don't have to be there at the studio. But they get very nervous the studios. They get worried that will what if this what if they don't have a good audio thing. Maybe they're not very good with hardware or maybe there's they don't have a good internet you know. They have all these things that they're worried about. They dislike our ways already perfect. We'd rather do it that way because it's easier so when you first get started you just do what you do with your voice. Whatever you do with it whether you want to be a character person you know you come up with funny characters or whether you want to be somebody who does a lot of crazy accents. There's everybody does a little something different but whatever you do do something and put it out there. And eventually you'll start finding places like casting call club dot com or voices dot com or voice. One two three dot com. There's a lot of websites that have where you can just audition for open casting calls which means anybody can try out for it but there's a really great website that will kind of give you all the basic information about this job. It's called. I want to be a voice actor dot com and. I don't know if you know him. A pair of the platypus himself made that website dee bradley baker now debray baker is also kept in rex clone wars. He's been doing voices for like thirty something years so he made the site because he got asked a lot. How do you become a voice actor and now the rest of us are like. Hey d- may decide so we don't have to answer that question. We're gonna put a link to that site on this episode page at the children's hours website children's hour dot. Org maya and max you have a question. So let is your favorite voice. My favorite voice is probably a tie between optimus. Prime and ryan reynolds. Because i've refilled in for for mr reynolds so much. That is just so much fun to do and everybody seems to love it. So it's kind of it's kind of started down here and optimus has always been my favorite and it slowly gotten to where they're kind of even now so so yeah. Can you do l. sample of each one. My name is optimus prime. And i am the leader of the autoparts transform and roll out high. Near how are you. My name is ryan reynolds anne. I'm voice of detective pika chew. I hope you're you're brown pants. We're talking with john bailey. He's the epic voice guy. You have definitely heard his voice and he's been on just hundreds and hundreds of different things from video games to movies commercials. Stop counting out after about seven thousand jobs. I just like i. i can't keep up anymore. Wow does amazing. We are so delighted to have the epic guy himself. Jam bailey with us on the children's hour today talking about voice acting and we're gonna come back and talk a little bit more right after this. This is one way to use your voice. This is sheila chandra from a cd called weaving ancestors voices. Right here on the children's hour ducati dot com tech agenda cocoa products. That didn't that didn't donka dean donka but did not. That did nothing. but john. But they dakota gotovina google but etc but that in general doug donna donna. Duck deducted deduct dana don don Deduct deduct attack but in tech detected the deemed targeted that the ding ding. 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Don don big beautiful disco tron on an the robot robot india in the house rally. Okay your built eric. Beautiful say the worst. This league a. That's dr noise from a new ish released called homemade big bold and beautiful banana disco toronto and before that you heard sheila chandra from a cd called weaving my ancestors voices. That's speaking in tongues one. You're listening to the children's hour and today on the show. We have the epic voice sky himself. John bailey and we still have questions for you. John bailey corbett. Let's go right over to you. How many things have you voice action. I i lost count years ago. I kinda every every few years. I just add another thousand or so because honestly it's every week. I mean a lot of people were they say like as kind of an understood rule. Voice actor shouldn't talk about how much money they make or how often they book gramley auditions. They get because they don't understand. Some voice actors only do specific type of work. Some guys do movie trailers and promo. That's the kind of things like coming this weekend on nickelodeon at eight seven central. That's called a promo As opposed to in a world one man and coming soon to theaters starts friday everywhere brita. Pg thirteen that's a trailer so will only do that so guys like that. Don't do animation auditions for example. But then there's guys who do like video game stuff that don't do anything other than video games or guys that do anime that don't do anything other than anime so everybody does a little different amount of work. I'm like a swiss army knife. Because i have so many kids. I have four kids. My youngest daughter is thirteen and my oldest daughter is Is going to be twenty in june. And they eat everything so in order to be able to afford them and my wife and be able to pay for all the food and we also have an autistic son He's our second born he's eighteen and it gets very expensive with healthcare so in order to be able to pay those bills. I have to work on as much as i possibly can. There's very little that i turn away. 'cause i'm just like yeah i also have a twenty year old As well that's my youngest. Not that i'm robin but like when you look younger than me but you know you thought optimus. Prime wasn't oculus rift zone. That's kind of what i figured it out. I love it. I love it Corbett yeah do you have to get a college degree in voice actor not You can go to acting school but there is no such thing as a voice acting school that i know of Most of the people who do voice over work probably get coaching online or in person. Amadeus when you have to do a new voice that you've never done before whether it's impression or not. How long does it usually take for you to get that voice down. It depends on. If it's a sound like i don't usually get a lot of time they might company has expressed. My managers are coming as expressed in the title so they don't really give me a for example earlier today. I had a sound like for somebody. I can't remember who it was. But you guys probably know him I had forty five minutes to get it done. That was it so they don't give you a lotta time. But they'll give me a few lines or they'll give me a huge chunk of lines and they'll give me a an audio referencing. Sometimes maybe one or two or they'll give me an audio reference for what the voice sounds like but then somebody else probably production saying the lines the way they want it so you kind of have to combine like what you hear in the audio reference of the actor with the way that the other guys reading it the temp guy and match those together and you have to act and get the timing right at the same exact time and then submitted back all do all that within forty five minutes with the character. I kind of have a little more liberty usually with cartoons especially. I usually have a few days. But i worked better under pressure personally so i usually do it the same day that it's do or i will actually Call up my agency. They have what they call booth directors. That will kind of guide you kind of like if you guys wanted for example of was doing character and he wanted some help with it i would be on the phone directing him and say. Why don't you try doing it this way or try adding this little bit of change in that or pitch it up or down you know they kind of just kind of you know guide you a little bit until they have something solid that they think will book because that's the whole point. If i book something they also get paid. We both get paid so the whole point is to get booked so if it's a really big deal if it's something important to me like if it's transformers if it's spongebob something that's huge that i know it'd be good for me and i know what pay really well. I usually go with some professional help. If i can. But if i'm in a hurry i don't really have the time and luxury of it. It's going to do and when i do it. It comes with one of those swiss army knife situations. I told you about earlier where it's just kind of do as much as you can because you got to keep paying. The bills is radio. A good training ground for voice acting a lot of voice actors. Get in through radio. my buddy kyle kylie bear who you guys would know. Last time. i'll try goals policy. He got in through radio disney in texas. And then now he's out here. That's the epic voice guy john bailey. For whom time is indeed money. We know you have to go lydney. Let me go. Voices never bothered me john bailey. Thank you so much for being with us on the children's hour thank you question The children's hour supported in part by award from new mexico arts. 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We had so much fun with john bailey and then our crew as a voice actor himself a little bit. Then can you just give us a taste of your kermit. Try do mike. But it doesn't always work out his Love it so much coming up. We have good news from the extinction. Diaries but i. This is the socks right here. On the children's hour own Whoa extinction diaries. Finally some good news on the butterfly front in the united kingdom ten years ago. The duke of burgundy butterfly was the island nation's rarest having declined fifty percent in just twenty years nine years ago one thousand volunteers began a conservation program that has seen an increase of twenty five percent in the burgundies population since the group senator protections around just fifty acres managed conservation land in an educational program that reached the land owners. Another one hundred forty seven locations one by one those habitats began protections and saul rise burgundy visitations and survival then in the spring of twenty twenty. A researcher stumbled upon the largest colony known. The land owner was proud of his protections and support. They had been given the butterflies for over twenty years. The duke of burgundy is brown with orange spots and not proved excellent. Camouflage for the large group discovered the males are solitary and must be insect ordinary because females and caterpillars deliberately hide from them under leaves and brush for wants. The factors lined up in a decline has now been reversed. My name is olivia in this smaller. Radio production is bad on us. Bad of is better. Guam signed the now um together hard on time everywhere around heroes going around the hero stowing yet. Bam bam thought the phone. Roy's that ghana come together then. They are far people. Then when i see love and kindness. 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Episode 180 - (ETHICS) Promoting Ethical Leadership w/ Dr. Manuel Rodriguez

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Episode 180 - (ETHICS) Promoting Ethical Leadership w/ Dr. Manuel Rodriguez

"Hey everybody welcome to eighty a inside track podcast. That's like reading in your car but safer. I'm your host robert. Perry crews with me as always fabulous co-hosts rabbits saying it's need jackie. We're recording in our new in our new space new stadia status studios new studios. Anyone you might be someone's first episode like why do they sound diff- we would know before franklin. Nobody sounds different. If you're watching the video we're not by occurred in that we've had for ten snow in a brand new space and i was to organize the space. Maybe use some behavior. Organiz my space. So luckily for us. We have on the line. An expert in organizational. Here dr. manuel rodriguez is here. It's tell us how to get the space into place so much where we start organizing this space right. Oh my goodness that is some intro. The first step is i would have to observe it right so i have to come find you guys and go meet you in your place. I can't help you if i can't see it right. Take some pictures thinks video those two. But that's that's what you know so so many you. You're in the field of organizational behavior management. So you'll help us like like iron allow books rally. Where should i put that right solution. Yeah right isn't it. Totally not what i do but i can refer you to one of those people that do good organizing good organized and we'll make punctuate for you but that is not what i'm going to change these questions of real fast. No but so bad as an ob 'em special and you've been in the field for a long time but provokes you're either not as familiar with with obama's i clearly am not at least tell. Tell the audience all about about yourself and actually what it is that you are a well. no problem. well. Thanks for having me for the show. So i guess in a nutshell. What is obese. Obm is the application of behavior analysis applied to business right so we look at human behavior in the workplace. We look to make a positive difference in the workplace no matter what industry no matter what size. The company is and for the opium practitioner. What we do we work. With employees supervisors managers executives board of directors. We work with all of them as our clients if you will whether we work inside a company for some function like hr or learning development or training. Or what have you or is an external consultant. We work with them as our clients to help implement change towards making a positive difference in the workplace. I mean it sounds cliche but that's really what it's all about now. The application of behavior analysis and business may look a little different fuel. A little different but the science is still the same. The science is still. It's all grounded in behavior analysis. And i've been very fortunate very lucky to be doing this as my career. I i started i. I discovered this career as an undergraduate student at florida state. Have the great experience to get taught by dr john bailey. Who back then. Some of your audience probably knows him very well and in terms of our field specifically with his work in ethics and training behavior analysts. But back then when i was an undergrad at florida state he was actually well known in the performance management. Obm circles he had a performance management certificate program at the undergraduate level and me and hundreds of students went through that program and what we learned was concepts and principles of behavior analysis. We did a rat lab. We had us interrupt lab undergrads and then we took two courses in performance management but he emphasized the learn by doing approach and we actually had to implement projects in local businesses in tallahassee florida. And so that was kind of i. First exposure to obe and so fast forward i graduated in two thousand and two to age myself a little bit and from florida state continued on grad. School continued on in the obm path. Had the great opportunity to get some killer. Experience points working for the likes of aubrey daniels. International which is one of the premier opium consultancies out. There graduated with my master's degree from florida tech and went onto a pretty awesome consulting practice or can with some of the larger consultancies. After about seven years of external consulting i worked for a chemical company called fm seek corporation out of philadelphia. And i got to work at a global scale about ten thousand employees implementing all sorts of cool opium projects. The context of safety did that. And then i continued on my career as an ob 'em practitioner working with small businesses large businesses. All the way to present day. So today i have my own company called bueno ventures where we're doing a bit of consulting work and we also do. Ob education and of a selfish plug. We actually just launched a certification and obm. We have some big yet. We have some beta test. Users i can. I can bore your audience on that certification. I'm so excited for it but not to deviate from our purpose today. But yes so that that program is twenty years of my work in the making but when i'm not doing that boina ventures i worked for a chemical company here in ann arbor michigan. Actually here right now as we're talking mentioned that's you. I'm sitting in my lovely hotel. Look at the university of michigan. And what i do for that company is i do. B. inside is how. I like to call it. Doing continuous improvement activities behavior change models and also some safety behavior bay safety work. So that's that's a little bit about me and the professional side and a little bit about. Oh in manny if you ever need any other beta testers for that certificate. We're both like well. I i wish. I did but we actually got very lucky. And we have to beta test groups already going right now. One is a group. Six consultants that work out in sweden. Where opium is very. There's there's a lot of familiarity about obm in sweden and then also a beta test group out of college. I should say. I probably shouldn't say who but a college here. In the united states where few students and masters students their aba program going through so getting a lot of great feedback getting a lot of good vibes die. I know that the total non behavioral term to use but tony getting some good positive stuff energy out of this program and were just now. We're about to accept our first cohort into the program august. I which is like two weeks from now and then come two thousand twenty two. We're just gonna watch a budget cohorts at our certification program. So it's pretty awesome so jay. When everyone gets to go you can still join in the wrong. Why i kind of kind of one of those topics many that. I always had this weird thought of like. Oh aubrey daniels is done forever. Everyone else sort of like came into it at some point when they just they saw talk or they read a book and they thought this sounds fun. But you've been doing vm. Threat threat the entirety of your career. Was that's what you wanted to do with it. Yeah well absolutely. I mean my my. Aba career has been with one path of one path only which is ob an and my dad was cpa. A lot of people don't know that my dad was a cpa. He was a cfo for a couple of companies. So kind of business was in. Our blood was also kind of an entrepreneur. He had a couple of businesses one was successful. What was an epic failure. And also and even tell stories about that. So i kind of had the business plot business in my bloodline and then behavior now says was kind of happy accident. I learned f- florida state. I can bore you about that story. But i have behavior now says was not my career path as an undergrad until after into my third year of college so so that was a happy accident. But it's been a fantastic career. You know a lot of behavior analysts work in clinical settings human service settings. I did as well mostly because in my graduate program there wasn't you know jobs and from an opium perspective like obm jobs. And i needed money. Because i was broke college students grad school and so the professor at the time you know said here's a job and i so i became a behavior tack. If you will not not in the sense that we know today but essentially a behavior analyst without the credentials back then. Working in schools and i was actually primarily working in schools. I got to work with tea. And then i quickly found a link between the clinical quote unquote clinical behavior analysis and obi 'em by working with teachers administrate got a chance to do that. For like two three years. I was working with teenagers. That were at risk with the law. But i never. And i. I i mentioned this because probably your audience is a lot of behavior. Analysts work with children with autism or adults with autism or some developmental disability. I have very little experience with that. I've never worked with a child with autism. I've ever worked with an adult with the development of ability or until disability. I worked with a handful of kids with adhd and then the rest of the the kids quote. Go kids that i worked with. Were between six and seventeen years old and they were basically. My mother would call them. Helen's basically you know they were just in trouble with the law in trouble with school and they just needed help. So i would use behavioral analysis to figure out why they did what they did and look at it from the context of their house their home environment their school environment and trying to connect dots and try to implement solutions that way. That was two three years of my life. it wasn't my career. And so what i ended up starting to do was look for opportunities to go more into the business applications of beer analysis and even outside of the industry of human services so i only started consulting work so i only my the bulk of my consulting work over twenty years now has been in. The manufacturing field has been in oil and gas chemical industries food manufacturing. Things like that and it wasn't until maybe twenty two thousand sixteen when i even started consulting human service settings and that was very interesting very eye opening for me. I didn't realize the autism bubble explosion in the field until about twenty fifteen which has been. It's amazing it's it's quite fantastic. But i was ignorant to it to be honest with you mostly. Because i was out of touch. I stopped going to conferences for a while because i was traveling and working and consulting and having kids and doing life and probably until about twenty fifteen when i started reintroducing myself to the broader aba community. When i realized holy cow this is a huge business and look at the autism world. It's exploded this is great looking all these behavior. Annals i don't know and introduce myself i reintroduced myself in a big way presenting at conferences. And that's how i got to start consulting. Ab companies and things like that so but yeah my my whole career. My passion has been how to apply behavior analysis and business. And i've been very fortunate that i got to work with john bailey. I got to work with aubrey daniels in his whole entourage. I got to work for a company called continue starring group which was a competitor of aubrey daniels. If you will has a fun story. But i got to work with them and and because i got to work with these consulting companies and all of the people that work for these companies. I've got to work with fortune. Five hundred companies unfortunate one thousand companies that you know the ones that you see on the forbes top five list largest companies in the world and i. I'm not saying these things to brag. I'm saying these things because man. I'm just so freaking. Lucky that i got to do that and be the right person. The right time be you know got to beat the right people at the right time and all that and i was also as a student i never accepted no as an answer so i probably nag them to death until they gave me an internship until they gave me a job and that kind of stuff. But it's it's been a great career and probably in just the last five years or so is when my when i started doing more entrepreneurial type of stuff so i've i've created some. Obm practices. i've started up some companies in terms of opium consultancies. I've partnered with new people that i've never worked with before to help their career and obm. And now i just get to do the fun things. I get to write about it. I'm writing some books about it. I got this. Obm certification going. Where i'm teaching courses and i'm doing some mentoring on the side for some some awesome That just want to be an ibm practitioner. And that's what they wanna do all right well. That sounds like a lot. And i know we can't like an hour show so we're overall so we're gonna we're gonna drill down a little to some of your more recent work specifically related to that work you said. Obm in the kind of aba autism company field specifically related to at your dissertation on ethics in the workplace or or looking at systems support for ethical practice in ab companies. Before we get into sort of how how that came about as an area you wanted to focus on. You wanted to do so more research on. I just wanna make sure that our audience has the citations and the articles. That will be discussing so i kind of background. What will briefly be touching upon diener mcgee and miguel's an integrated approach for conducting a behavioral systems analysis from the journal of organizational behavior management from two thousand nine kind of brave briefly a quick background to the more important for our discussion. Today you know your dissertation work. Identifying effective systems and processes to promote ethical workplace cultures any the applied behavior analysis. There would be industry which again reading the title. I know most of those words. I know ethics and assistance across. I know aba therapy. But when i got to that lasts industry as someone who actually has been practitioner in treatment for for autistic individuals. It did kind of smack me in the face of like. Oh yeah that's right. I apparently martin. And i'm gonna jain industry that i never. I never even thought of that fact and then when we think about how much we talk about ethics how much we're trying to improve the ethical practice of of our our clinicians. Yeah i guess an any industry scales up. You run into the same problems if any company of. Hey we did all these things really well when there were like there was the boss and my behavior therapist. But now that. I'm a giant organization that you know i think one of the groups you were doing interviews with spans. Multiple states are the heck. Are you supposed to make sure everyone is following these specific ethical practices. Was that how you kinda came to this as the topic or it was totally totally unrelated my anecdote or your anecdotes spot on and then i can add a little bit of a personal touch to it as well but but knows absolutely right so if you look at the last you know decade just in the last ten years of the aba therapy industry. And that's why i call it that for a very specific reason. Come back to that but if you look at it from an industry perspective the last ten years has just been a huge boop right you and you have all sorts of different elements to this big explosion. You have small companies turn big companies you have the recognition of aba as therapy of choice right or the premiered there be of choice for autism spectrum disorder. Right you have medical professionals talking about. Aba in the last decade right by huge boom right and then from a business perspective daniels. Have you have for probably one of the first time. In the industry's history multimillionaires owning and operating these companies. You have the insurance companies. Paying top dollar premiums for the service provided right you have investment firms wanting to buy these companies right so this explosion of an industry really has just been amazing and with all out comes the need to explore and understand how these companies operate and function not just from financial stability and wealth standpoint. That's interesting in and of itself. You know how these companies money but that was in my interest. My interest was well. There's all these cool like scientific practitioners that work there that are bound by an ethical code. Our they actually maintaining their ethical practice in these companies. And how are they doing it in lieu of all these big massive growth and add to the mix that some of these bigger companies that are doing. Aba therapy are actually not run by behavior. Analysts certified professionals that are bound by the same code so now how my interest was kind of a three tier reason one tier was i was providing consultation to a lot of aba companies big small medium right and as i was consulting every once in a while and pretty regularly in fact while i was pursuing my doctorate i was consulting to these. Aba companies and the ceo's and the as would all come many. I want to pick your brain on this ethical conundrum. I have and my first my first reaction to that was. Oh oh no no no. You don't know. Because there was a lot of it was very clinically oriented. And so i would. I would pass along the baton but when it wasn't clinically are into what it was about. You know supervision or management issues of the business and things like that. It really became pretty rich dialogue. That really stimulated my interests in this world of ethics. Aba the second reason is because more in the last maybe five years. I've been sitting through presentations as an audience member around ethics in. Aba and it's been interesting. How many talks and presentations and writings are bad. Ethics are very conceptual are very like this is how ethics should be but nobody was talking about. How ethics is actually being done. And so i was like getting sick and tired of all these priests amber. Hey this is what happens when you asked me to do. A podcast at whatever you're going to get but i don't know by you but i was just kinda sick and tired of the concepts. You know the conceptual she i wanted to hear. What are you doing to actually engage people in ethics. What are you do. And so i would just hear a lot of conceptual jargon in writing especially reading like research an peer reviewed journals and stuff. It all sounded good. I mean it sounded very very knowledgeable and very scientific and very like yeah that makes sense in the world. Oh what are you what are they doing. Nobody's actually writing. What companies were doing. So i was the second and third and it's more of the personal anecdote so i am a practitioner. I'm a human being. And i have had my fair share of ethical conundrums including poor decisions that i've made in my career and i would be the first to say i'm nowhere close to perfect and i will. Unfortunately i've had a fair share of challenges in my career. Where i just made the wrong choices and i made the wrong decisions and i paid the penalties for those and so on a personal level. I've been on this kind of journey or the last few years where i wanted to really set the tone in my practice to be as ethical as possible and to really lead an ethical life in an ethical pat. And i know that sounds cliche and it probably sounds very warm and fuzzy but but in reality and and and i'm not a buddhist or anything but i am nothing wrong with that but i'm not but i just wanted to be that person i just wanted to practice ethically. I wanted to think in terms of ethics. I wanted to lead an ethical life. And i also wanted to build it and integrated into my ongoing ob practice. I was just looking at bottom revenue dollars or looking at safety all of that in the context of ethics good ethical workplace. And so as i was going through my doctoral work i was dealing with a lot of my own ethical conundrums right and a lot of some personal challenges in my life and i i just i very fortunate i had good mentors. Good friends good colleagues. That helped me through that time. And so lo and behold. I'm in my second year of grad school and getting my doctorate and they're like so what do you wanna do your dissertation on. And i was like there's really only one thing on my mind i can't i couldn't escape it like a yeah i i so i had some consulting project i could have done it on turnover. I could've done it on safety. I could have done it on sales. I could've done a whole lot of things right. But the only real thing that i was passionate about that i was really interested in and i was really focusing on was ethics and ethics in the workplace. So that drove the decision for this research. Good for your many both on on your own reflection on your own trying to model. How hard ethics can be as someone taxiing aba. But i also on on making sure that it was something that you wanted to pursue with research. Because i know i hear business. The first word that comes to mind is rarely ethics so. I'm glad that you're putting it back back there. Fradin front and center that as a you know especially human services. If we don't set up these systems for ethics how can we expect our practitioners all. Follow this. Like high elaborate cokes. I think is an individual. It's hard to be ethical but it is comparatively easy to have your own journey of ethical reflection than to try to get every single person that you hire of your like hundred or maybe two hundred or three hundred bc ba's to do exactly what you're doing into to practice ethics to the same extent. You're doing it because so many of them especially in a growth a growth field like like ours yet. They haven't had the time to develop those ethical muscles because they they just took the class they pass the test in job. And here we go go go help these clients do your best and eight. Yeah i know like we're talking about the growth in this field and that it's like a good thing but i do want to say like i think we're all kind of old school here right now. Y'all go way back. I also graduated college in two thousand to making crags school onto that. You graduates i. Oh yeah you're right you check. Though the growth in our fields during the time that i've been practicing is astronomical and honestly scared about the direction that our field is potentially going without the proper level of of oversight and ethics a huge component of that. And it's scary to me to think that these companies might be run by people that don't share as co code or have dollars is the bottom line verses wellbeing as the bottom line is. i'm glad we're having. Yeah well i. I appreciate all the comments to you know i. I wanna say a couple things. And i know we want to get into the research and stuff but you know one of the reflections. I had about. My research was a one whole subject matter of growth and how it plays an ethics and what's kind of interesting about our field. Our industry is that we have seen growth but across multiple companies and as an industry. So from they were small and now they're big or they're small but they have satellite offices in multiple cds or something like that but each individual offices small right but they're large in terms of the summation of that so growth in our industry is very different than say in the technology space or so the easiest example would be apple bright. So you have apple microsoft. How many people can name a another computer. Giants round like there are some samsung internet explorer. This part of myself to everyone but as part of microsoft right yes microsoft. No that would be the company right so but if you look at like ibm intel microsoft and apple vast majority of people would know apple and microsoft today and their growth as an industry was predicated on look just named four companies. Can you name can you. How many companies in the aba field have grown exponentially in the last ten years. It's hundreds hundreds thousand right so that's a very unique feature and the ethics of that are very different. The ethics of apple or microsoft. Ou if you think about as i've been reflecting on that a lot because apple and microsoft just in the last ten years similar to what's going on with in the last couple of years they've had to actually go in front of government committees to talk about their practices and how they are regulating themselves and think about that compared to our industry how many aba companies have been requested to go stand in front of ethics committee the government it's probably zero right but we are governed by this entity the right or governed by them but only so much because even the ac says we cannot govern a company right so we have this very weird ethical dynamic. That's very different. Very unique as an industry compared to an industry like technology like apple microsoft. So so that's something. I've been reflecting on and then the other thing i'd be reflecting on is similar to jackie was a user said. You're kinda nervous about the growth actually dying on sunday. We're both really nervous. No i'm not. I think it's great. I'm super strength. It's funny it's funny. Because i'm not neither nervous or scared or not scared i i find it fascinating because a growth that i'm fascinated about is the vast number of practitioners now in comparison but to me what's fascinating is. We have a number of issues from an ethics standpoint and we are not even in terms of scale in comparison to other certified practitioners in different industries. Were not even close right so like a like okay. So thirty. Forty thousand or certified professionals. Aba compare that to the number of certified lawyers or or medical professionals right right like we're not even in the same bracket right but the way the day are governed versus the way that we covered as practitioners is also very different. And i've been reflected on that. I don't know where that's going to go. Or where i'm going to take that if i'm gonna take it anywhere but that's been the two things that i've been reflecting on and as i work in the chemical industry we are governed as an industry by osha by by our state regulations in terms of environmental health and safety. You know and that's been for hundreds of years right but so we're giving the surface you know we're just scratching the surface and i think it'll be fun when i'm eighty years old to see what. Aba is like which is forty years from now by the way so looking forward to being eighty much. But i i would love to get on a on a repeat podcasting bringing this when i'm eighty and to say the time when we were talking to go in episode of bazillion by the. That'd be pretty epic sorry. So i digress. But yeah i mean i think just kind of full circle. So when we're talking about my ethics research for me that antecedent for the research was those three things. I mentioned before but i think outcome of this research man. We could just keep going like you could do my research. Replicated you can broaden it. You can grow it. Because we're just skimming the surface in terms of what are companies doing to engage people to actually be ethical and to practice good ethics. That's an important distinction in the title. There's two distinction tidal that. Even my district committee said this is what we're trying to do. The first distinction was where i write promote ethical workplace culture. So that is very specific. Because we're not talking about dealing with unethical shit right. That's usually the focus fraud embezzlement sexual harassment all those things. That's the stuff that it's too late. Somebody got caught and we gotta deal with that but the harder work which is actually true to behavior analysis is how do you promote and encourage enable the desired behavior which is good ethics right and so okay so that was part of it and then the other one was to actually call the aba therapy an industry because i wanted to distinguish between aba therapy as an industry versus aba apply to business calls over am or animal behaviour. I wanted to make that distinction to that way down the road if we wanted to replicate this a different -application of ab could so many in terms of looking at your dissertation you were asking questions. It was Interview based questions. On a variety of companies there are three three total companies that you interviewed people at various levels of functioning within within that within that company. But in general you know since this is sort of like your early research you know spoiler alert at the end of your research. You came up with more questions had research to do that but it was a lot of like. Here's what we know now a lot. And here's a million more questions. Go please do more research. I've not in an academic institution. Yeah that's right but how did you. How did you come up with those. Get kinda those guiding questions. because you had. I think it was ten questions you asked various. We asked the. Ceo's you ask some of the you know the b. As in the company was in a matter of just. I just looked at the ethics. I looked at what i knew about ethics looked at when i knew about o. B. m. and banned the questions kim fully formed my head have like hundred questions and you sort of whittled them down with the help of your colleagues. What was that process like. Yeah it's a great question. So you know one of the things about research that i learned in my doctoral program is around the forming of questions out to select questions and then how to validate those questions and the first step is to not do that. The first step is to establish what your research questions are. What's the problem. you're trying to answer. So the research questions became kind of the first step and defining those was probably the more was probably the more definitive part of this whole research is like what are the questions. I'm trying to answer you know from a research standpoint. So based on those questions and datuk that was oh my god. That was a pain that that was like five. Different committee meetings getting ripped to shreds with reading like it was amazing and i would do it again in a heartbeat but met. That was a painful process. Once i got those research questions nailed then. It was a process of identifying the interview questions. So the way that i did that was. I started with the research question and saying right. So how would i ask this. I what questions would i ask. That would get me the answers to that research question and so the way that i did that was through. I looking at existing literature that would support it. That's that would support that research question and see if they did any type of informant based interviews. And what questions did they ask. And there was actually a surprising amount of literature that supported the research question as well as the interview questions however they were not in aba literature they were primarily in the world of journals of ethics. And your business ethics which is really an important point to make. Is that the bulk of my supporting literature. In my research to lot com from the world of aba and that's because the research and aba is not focused on such a macro looking problem to solve right. We look at behavior change. We look at a micro level behavior. Change sometimes we go into more of a systems things which is why we talked about behavioral systems analysis. And the other article. The idea is like even at that point. Where we're we're not asking these kind of broad societal issue questions tony so i had to go to like business. Journal's business ethics journals get that support so then once. I had the research questions. I started identifying the interview questions. And then i had two thirds that was to validate whether those questions even made sense. So what i had to do is mock interviews with. I contacted a bunch of beatha friends of mine and some ceos that operate ab companies. That were not allowed to participate and use them as like a beta test. That okay so i'm gonna ask you these questions. Tell me if they make sense. Tell me if they make sense and tell me if what your answer would be and so. I think my colleague my beta test group just validate the interviews. I'm not allowed to use that data but they validated. The questions would answer the research question. They help the and believe me. There was a lot of editing involved with these interview questions. Because first draft of the interview questions made no sense to talk like at a tweak. The language and it was actually quite a quite a test of verbal behavior. You know so but yeah so good. Research validate your interview questions. You link it to the research question. Verify that they're good and then you go to town so and then that's that's how that that came to be i. I can't wait to get into the questions in the responses because that was the part of the dissertation that made the most sense to me. As someone who you know. Get most of my you know. My history is in reading research about treatment outcomes and whatnot so that made sense but you started your your dissertation with going over this conceptual model of what the aba industry looked and by my second read through. I think i got it. But was that just a component that was required because of the scope of your work in. Obm did you feel that like the conceptual model of sort of how different links in a business went together just was important in terms of answering the bigger question of that kind of behavior systems analysis. I'm not looking at one person's ethics. I'm looking at the organization's ability to promote ethics with on the right track or no. You're not way off at all. You're you're definitely on the right track. Let me clarify a couple of things. I'm not quite there needed sections. I are super lines. Between i would've done i'll they. It is complicated. And it's also very unique in comparison to aba literature because in aba research we do not have a lot of. There's not a lot of conceptual models. There's not a lot of models at all right. We talk about concepts and principles our behavior we talk about methodologies right we talk about the seven dimensions of aba right but all of those would be considered concepts and principles. So that's probably the closest to what the business literature business academic literature would call conceptual models right because you got to start somewhere so if you kind of go all the way back to history to philosophers right philosophers would talk about an idea and that idea with dan draw illustrations of some concept that concept would then eventually be tested. Well so as i was going through the literature review of my research different pieces of literature were talking about different elements of ethical workplace. Right so some literature. We talk about leadership behaviors. Some would even distinguish between leadership behaviors in executive leadership be so executives. Do one thing but then the other leaderships down the down the hierarchy does something else. There's a body of literature that talks about ethical followership behaviors right. So what do the people do. Follow the leaders in regards to ethics. Then there was this whole body of literature at super expensive around what's called. Ethical climates and ethical cultures and make a distinction of those two things which is just to put it bluntly is worth no time at all like you should not spend time alone because even the academics that right about as say it's not really practical to make such a distinction there kind of the same thing so i assume the climate was like it was a fifty percent chance of unethical behavior coming up in this with a chance of snow pretty much. Yeah so no and you know and we can talk about the difference but but really it doesn't matter i mean it's just the context of the what's what makes the company the practices procedures things like that but there was a body of literature talked about that and only talked about that and then there was a body of literature although very few that would talk about still what so we do all this ethical style. We do all this ethical practices. We have this culture. Was the organizational outcomes that are associated with good ethics. Right so as i was going through this literature review and all the different literature have different models of what. They're trying to prove. I was like well. But nobody's putting together all of the pieces but yet they kind of reference the other piece or they kinda hint that there's another piece you know it's kind of like if you've ever read good research. There's always resources as well. There's this other body of research but it's totally out of the scope of this one like i'm not gonna read about it. I'm going to keep that it that it exists. So oh my god that's so frustrating because then when you're getting your doctorate work the provincially like oh no you got that out. Go find i kid you not. I'm sitting down with a couple of my colleagues going through the program. And i'm like i can't get this picture out of my head. I'm reading this research. I'm reading that research. And there's like all these different pieces of this puzzle but nobody's like put the puzzle together. So i had a professor that then put the damn puzzle together like write it down so i started writing down. I started drying it and was one of my business professors. I was like oh you. You essentially have a conceptual model. I was like well. But i can't have created a slight. That's i'm not an inventor of models weird so he's like well then find the proof that it exists somewhere else and i just simply couldn't that it existed so all that conceptual model did was illustrate what the existing body of literature talked about but didn't link together right and so then i started thinking about. Well wait a minute. If i developed this conceptual model and i put all these pieces together. Then that's what the research should be looking for is all of these pieces right because if all this research is saying while a good at the workplace has good executive leadership. Behaviors has good ethical leadership. Behaviors has good followership behaviors have climate culture and organization holcombes. Then well then. Maybe i should interview to find out what they're doing across all those pieces so then at the outcome of those interviews. I look at the results of the interviews. And it's all anecdotal data. Right and i was able to code it and code it in relation to that model because in every interview they talked how leadership behaviors. They talked about what the ceo does and what the executives do. They talked about what people do. As followers of the business they talked about climate and culture. Not in those words but they talked about it in relation to my interview questions and then they talked about what the ultimate outcomes were of a good ethics and practice in the clinical world. Aba therapy good. Authorizations good clinical judgment our outcomes and so that's that's really the value of that model the value. The model was to say if you're going to evaluate ethics in your workplace. Look for all of these components because if you only look for one slice of that puzzle. You're missing a big. You're missing a big element to it. I've actually applied this model in my consulting practice and it has paid off in dividends. I mean when you sit down with an executive who say all right. So mapping out for me what should the executives be doing. And what should your leadership team be doing. What should the employee's be doing. What are the policies and practices and procedures. And what are you trying to achieve from all this in terms of ethics man when you paint that whole picture. They're like this is it. This is our business this is. This is why we're doing ethics and it's it's just been it's just been great excellent all right so we've got our model. We've got questions we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back dr pinkus is gonna walk us through some of this specific answers that he got and what that means to us as vacationers. We'll be right back. Be sure we all do. Neither can come to regis college in western mass to get your graduate degree. 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Have you had a chance to look at the ethics code for twenty twenty two blue flee. I haven't gone detail into it. But i've gone. I've looked at it briefly. And one thing i was thinking of because if we we talk about this related to ethics and we use this as an ethics see if we do i was wondering know. They have these four core principles. I'll tell everyone what they are. Benefiting others treating others with compassion dignity and respect behaving with integrity and ensuring our competence. They say there but that seems weird because to me as well right. I'm a behavior analyst. And i really love that. They've added these core principles into the introduction of the at the actual ethics code. Because as we all know we learned about these principles and in a few more an ethics class and then you never thought about them again right and they come up in those conceptual presentations like we should all be working with. Beneficent right and justice for all how do you feel like these core principles align with when you're talking to executives about ethics in their company and do they do they align in that way as well. I definitely think every organization like generally speaking i would say my experience is across industries. Companies have codes of conduct. Okay and within those code of conduct. S- there's language that definitely reflects very similarly to these core principles share. Yeah you know. And so a lot of that is based off of history of human rights and elmont report nineteen seventy nine. Yeah so if you think about like okay. So good business right and think of the history of business. Early nineteen hundreds. We've all seen picture of the construction workers on a skyscraper. Having lunch you know. And they're sitting side by side and they're having lunch and oh my god. That's like the biggest unsafe thing they'd be doing you know but yet. They're having their peanut butter jelly sandwich or whatever they're have right but that was kind of predicated on the times you know. Yeah then you fast forward. And you think about diversity and equity and inclusion and you think today's civil rights being humanitarian and all that in the context of the workplace and so these core principles i would say are parallel language that would exist in like a code of conduct right and yeah and most companies have codes of conduct now. Do companies have codes of ethics. Okay and i think that that's a distinction because code of conduct doesn't necessarily pertain to like. What's in our ethics code right. Because that's geared towards a professional practice right as opposed to what a company does conduct the same. All employees work for this company will obey these codes of conduct. And they're pretty universal. Right you no sexual harassment. You know don't don't know sexual harassment like those stealing no fraud. You know like the big ones you know and then there may be codes of conduct. That are more specific depending on the industry right. But at a general level at a very broad level i would definitely say these core principles aligned with that. I have one more question for you getting them in now before we start so i'm thinking of a behavior analyst. That's a behavior analyst but the specialty is opium. I was looking through the code. And i would assume that are as obm behavior analyst. You would abide. I mean where you would find your most most of the standards right that would align with your business would be section one really right that lake responsibility as a professional. Because you have to be truthful right you have to practice within your scope of content you have to be aware of your biased right and then i guess a little bit in section two with responsibility and practice right because you are working with a group and you still will bill them have fees and wondering if you think there's any deviation right or do you think the an image you don't know but the code of is bigger now more unbrella e- in terms that you know if we're looking at even like section three responsibility clients and stakeholders maybe the client is the organization as it stands was so interesting that we're talking about this. There's a recent article in the journal. Organizational behavior management that was written by a guy named doctor. Nicholas weatherly and you ever want a guy who's really good at podcast and talking and you wanna ethics you get him. You can tell them. I said that. Yeah he's a good buddy. And but the reason i'm suggesting him is. He wrote a brilliant article. That i've referenced in my my certification program selfish book. It's called the ethics of organizational behavior management. And i can say the article you want and then you i'll send it to you guys after the show but he just wrote it. It was published in twenty twenty one. So it's fresh off the breast in that article he does reference and talk about the ethics code and its relationship to obm and he reflects on kind of how how it's done and its relationship so let me kind of just kind of answer your question but when i'm referencing that because a lot of what i think nick things to and other britishers so i answered. Your question has just remember that. I think it's important being an ob an practitioner. Being a behavior analyst does not mean you have to be aboard certify beaver. That's a very very important. Distinction is something that i have talked about and argued with other behavior analysts. Because when i before. I got my i actually. I have it for the second time in my so i let it lapse when i got it because i didn't need it and i was doing my ob in practice. And i would go to these conferences without obtain i would say say well. What do you do. I so all behavior analysts. While you don't have your name. I know and that's not what the boards about. So that's one distinction. You know the code of ethics. And i've studied the code. I told you guys kind of briefly. I've gone through my own. Ethical conundrums and the code and i became best friends and bedfellows and i know that code are not the newer one the one before this one so i studied this and it was very important to me to really reflect on your question that you're just asking because as an ibm practitioner working in business and being abc ba. So i because. I'm a cpa. I'm bound by the coat yet. Right now there's opium practitioners who are not bb's or not bounded by the code and so your question kind of worded differently. If i may is can be a c. Code pertain to an ob. Ibm practitioners practice. Who's not obese. And my answer is i was asking and my answer is absolutely without a doubt so if i was looking at it in terms of with that kind of like the main answer are there differences. Are there points in the code. That would be kind of difficult. You know from an ob practice or just different. And i don't think so. I don't think so we'd have to go into like the details by like for example. The one that comes up a lot is around the responsibility in public statements So in an ob 'em professional your consulted right. You are an external consultant and you have quiet. And if you're not ba you're not bounded. By a code of compliance to not using public statements of clients testimonials from current clients in fact getting testimonials from a current client is actually a marketing strategy for consultants. You can now though in ethics code twenty twenty two. You can use testimony. Well it says it has non advertising purposes using testimony from former clients for advertising and then soliciting testimonials from current and they have like they make those distinctions. I haven't read the details but in the previous one. They said no. No no right absolutely not by not the cba market but a marketing for market. Right so if i if. I'm looking at the new code. So it says soliciting testimonials from current clients because of the possibility of undue influence and implicit gordon. Behavior analysts did not solicit testimonials current clients or stakeholders or using advertisements designed to obtain. New clients does not include unsolicited reviews on websites. So if a current client says i love you guys. You guys are amazing. I can't believe the quality of servants Was totally unsolicited. Maybe you can use that right. That's kind of what it's implying okay. Well if you're not a b a and you're doing opium practice testimonials from current clients whether you solicited or not solicit man that is your marketing strategy. Wanna one because most opium practitioners would agree with me when i say the bulk of our work. The bulk of our practice is grounded from word of mouth. It's grounded from our clients experiences and so wherever whenever we can get testimonials from clients that becomes the bread and butter of our next client of our neck of our practice. In general so that's why most consultancies they have testimonials like crazy right but in the previous ethics code whereas said no no no that would have been a point of conflict for an ibm practitioner right. Because that's a very hard sell to try to say. No you can't now but if you're busy will be practitioner. Guess what you got to abide by that now. We have this new one that i got to study. So full disclosure. I gotta studied in more detail. Popped it on you out or not. That's that's fine. Look it's my sworn duty. I got by by this by twenty twenty two years. But what's interesting so just reflecting on this one so it's got a little bit of a loophole is like well. You can't do that if it's unsolicited you can do it. So that's kind of a weird. I don't mean to scout critical of this. I'm just reading for the first time. But it's like well okay. So basically the people that did. The loophole are basically now being reinforced. Yes so that's kind of a weird anyways that's different as different than your question as just as tha. That's one area of in the code. That i would say has always been kind of a point of contention is around responsibility in public statements or whatever. The language was in the previous code use of intellectual property public statements by others. All those things a lot of consultancies business consultancies opium practitioners bread and butter is being public. You know as opposed to like in a clinical practice being public about what you do and who you worked with is actually not not okay. Because that's you're violating the protection of confidentiality. But that's because again was the point of a good ethics code is to protect and sumer where in a business context. You ask a client. You ask a business. Hey you said we're doing a great job can you right. Can you put that in writing. Allow us to publish that. They're more than happy to be advocates for consultancy that they look because that also gives them exposure so they see the positive. It's why for example. If you're not familiar with it it's okay but so the world of six sigma right. Sigma is a professional practice. It's a professional certification. The world of business they use his data and analysis in all sorts of things and six sigma came from the world of toyota manufacturing. So toyota was an advocate for something that today is a professional certification. So but that wouldn't have happened if toyota was public about it. The more you know right right so that's one area and then the only other one that i would say is kind of a different thing. I guess i'll put it that way. A different thing would be in the new one at talked about. So if you're in the world of business and your business consultant this is where. Obm is a science and the philosophies are out aba and fading out services and all that kind of stuff gets a little gray right now. You're like did it. By the opposite so so in the world business consulting we talk about raving fans and clients for life. I love that okay. Pro so think about that. I wanna client for life which means that translates in in practice. Is i have a client that in year. One we work on these projects right. We improve this project or that project. We work with this department or whatever. But i don't wanna lose them because for my practice the contingencies are that that's a revenue source so i don't wanna lose them. I want them to be acquired for life and they love us and they love us and we loved them. And why would we wanna leave right. It's a relationship so what we do for your to is one year one is done and we we claim success and they're able to do it on their own. Well guess what in the world of business they have another challenge that they want to tackle so they either come to us or we go to them and we say hey. Why don't we try to tackle this next challenge in the next year. Well so so think about that. And then think about the world of aba clinical work and services invading our programs there are of course. Aba clinic clinicians who have a client for multiple years. Because maybe the problem behavior is so severe. Or maybe because they haven't achieved generalization or they haven't achieved sustained maintenance so they'll maintain a relationship with a client for two three four years but at some point especially for children in that child's development behavior analysts fades out. Okay well in the business context. We're not children we're in. We're adults working in a collaborative setting and we have contracts and we have agreements and all of those kind of cool legal stuff that says this is our role. This is your role. And we're doing a service for you in a business context if you're getting great service and you're an adult and you're an executive and you see an opportunity to engage that consultant to do another project. You're gonna go ahead and do that. It's good for the business right. So continuity of service in terms of our code of ethics is probably is probably right on par but the fading out stuff is where it gets a little bit murky shared the media. Never need to fade out though. Because you have like beginning middle and advanced skills right. Well that's again. That goes into how you document everything right. And so that's where the bbc be a obm's in the world say this is where it gets a little gray check. Do i actually documented in a way. What i'm doing with this client in a way that actually adheres to the code one hundred percent or is at like eighty percent or sixty percent. So it's kinda like nobody's ever studied that by the way nobody's ever research out by the way. I'm not that. I know of. But i think that's an area of the code in practice. Where an opium consultant who's not obese. Uba that's probably an area of ethics that we look at as as that they probably wouldn't even think twice about you know i'm gonna keep working with this client and just to prove that point. I know consultancies who have had the same clients for twenty years. And when i think client i mean the organization not necessarily the individuals that were which right. That's another interesting challenge for. Obm is who's the client defined the quiet right and we don't have a single individual named the client. We have the organization as a whole of the employees shareholders consumers. They're all clients in some form or fashion. So we've got multiple systems we've got the updated co we've got a lot of issues they're gonna go into what organizations need to think. Oh but i do wanna bring bring us back to kind of the key questions that you were looking at. at least there's a starting And you're very clear that in your dissertation to mandate this is starting point. There's we we just went over. You know like three or four great ideas for. Hey here's here's the research could go. I want to quickly paraphrase kind of the general questions you were asking folks. You're interviewing individuals at various levels of these organizations and the kind of general questions you asked were sort of how how how each individual define ethical behavior. What do they see as the ethical challenges in the field. What strategies influence that ethical behavior. What doesn't influence that behavior. What are the strategies that they see supporting prevention and dressing unethical behavior. Do they feel that. The mission and values of the organization reflect the promotion of ethics and ethical behavior which characteristics of leadership defined ethical leaders which of those leadership behaviors or critical encouraging. Ethical behaviors of how is ethics incorporated in decision. Making in one of my favorites. I kind of love when people ask this question. How do we know any of this is working. Thank you so much for your hour of How do you know that any of this matters at all under pie when sound to it. you know. I love how you explain that you know given that you're looking at interviews looking at anecdotes. Really the focus seemed to be on those are the themes. Where are you seeing the same answers and you have table so the reader can go and look at every single response but at the end of the day. You know I'm guessing what's important in these interviews is. If you're seeing the same answers over and over across multiple individuals those are probably the areas that are going to be most likely of import. The ones that would be more analysis. First-rate right right. So we've got questions. I guess we're there any answers. Or were there any themes that just jumped out at you as a ha this seems like the the big ethical keystone in promoting ethical behavior in the future. Or maybe not. Yeah there were definitely a few there. Were definitely a few that were the most consistent such as the the role of training and the rule of mentorship and supervision. That was definitely a big one. You know it was interesting to hear. Both from rb tease. Bcda's and executives. How much they almost brought up training as one of the key ingredients for promoting enabling good ethics and i think they only use the word training as kind of a label but they were really referring to things like continue like continuing their education and their their professional development as opposed to just a straight up training module. Kind of the role of the supervisor was another one that kept coming up both the good and the bad examples. You know so like a good supervisor. Dad's kia bad supervisor. That that disables everything that was another consists of one. Another consistent was in relation to what they called a couple of companies called the ethics officer and this was typically at an executive level where there would be a senior manager an executive that would serve this role in the company to assess and analyze ethical scenarios at the challenges both anonymous ones and both the formal complaint ones but then they would also take a systems approach as ethics officers to ensure policies and practices at. Were in place to enable good ethics. And i thought that was a very good one and an surprising one that ab companies would come. Because the only time. I've ever heard of the word. Ethics officer was more as a conceptual thing. I'm an ethics coordinator at our our center. That's cool off the ethics related questions. That's great see so to me that surprise me that these. Aba companies were actually putting in roles and responsibilities specifically for ethics. And i don't know how that came about. You know when that started. But i can tell you that was not in place twenty years ago. It's probably due to our podcast. We had an episode several years ago. Called you need an ethics coordinator. It was it was taken directly from bailing birch. Two thousand and six. We were referencing referencing. An article came to the conclusion. Because it was a i can't revisit. He was as a chapter on. You need an ethics forty or so. It was it made sense. It made sense but it was exciting. I think in in reading your reading your dissertation manny that there were organizations that had this person and it seemed like at the levels. I know like some of the are bts like super excited about the idea of like. I've got someone who's not my boss that i can go to with an ethical concerns fears ethics. If i my boss a yeah i really. I really matched up. And they look at the code. I did all of that wrong. Your boss is probably gonna. I thought is going to be. Oh my goodness. This person's made my life. You know harder they're gonna mess up my relationship with the client. Where's the ethics officer. Their job is solely listen analyze. Look at what's out. There provide suggestion. It seemed like it. It just kind of have that neutral individual Elvis arbiter and that was the intention attention now now and i think that that's the way it should be the challenge with that role that a couple of them mentioned especially one who served that role was actually an executive who also happen to be one of the clinical directors. So that's kind of a challenge where you're the ethics officer your clinical director. You're a you're wearing all these hats but the head of the ethical officer maintaining your approach as a bias as a non accusatory Tough that's tough role play. But she you know. She talked about that a lot. So i definitely you know the the rolling supervisor. The roller training the role of the officers all those came into play. And then the only other thing though is probably the most common was the focus on the consumer. Mike dodges no matter if it was the rb to your the via the executive they almost always came back to that whether they were talking about clinical judgment whether they were talking about treatment integrity where they're talking about their own supervision whether you're talking about ethics training whatever it came up to they were like the whole point of this is to make sure we're protecting the consumers that were doing the right thing for the consumer fill in the blank consumer than it just kept coming back to that and i thought to me that that warmed my heart that they were mall focusing on that aspect of their business. Yeah i know one. I think it was one of the rb. Tease mentioned that. I wasn't sure if it was across a couple of companies or across joan one company. It did seem like ethics. For at least one company was a component of the kind of job responsibility. They had they mentioned scorecards a couple of times almost like it was part of the checklist of. Are you doing a good job because somebody the to there. Were some incentive around ethical behavior. Was i reading that correctly or were there. Companies that did see ethical behavior as something put on their checklist of you are a good employee. You know there was not necessarily a bonus but they did include ethics and ethical practices ethical. Trainings you know. They included things that they wanted people to engage in with regards to ethics in their performance scorecards and performance evaluation. So they would have the the way that they would have these discussions like okay. Did you get your clinical hours. Did you get your supervision hours. And did you get your ethics training now like it was like all and that's just a simple example on that conversation but it was a very robust system. It was only one company that did that. But they use these scorecards as a way to kind of holistically talk about their culture that they're trying to drive with regards to performance getting good quality services and also ethics and that was the ceo of that in particular. She was driven that direction. I when she learned about kind of the science behind scorecards from an ibm perspective. She she got a dive into opium. I've known her for years to dive into the ob literature and self taught and she implemented these scorecards then at some point or another. she was getting tax. She was tackling a budget ethics challenges. She's like this include ethics. My scorecard like how do i do that show. She figured that out herself. And so by the time. I interviewed her and her rbtes and i was shocked. I was like oh that is super cool super unique. Why is nobody else doing that. She basically said probably doing it. Because nobody's really thought about it. Nobody's written about it. And nobody's people equate ethics as kind of like this thing and that's separate that's kinda universally applied to everything we do but but also it's kind of separate in comparison to like talking about billable hours. It was kind of a weird conversation too because on the one hand when she would talk about billable hours and and the focus on service delivery. It's like yeah ethics in everything we do which is true right so but then at the same time we do ethics training. We do ethical. We tackle ethical problems and all of that is isolated from convert in you know in in other practices other than this one company. What she found was all of the ethics conversations are kind of isolated and not brought into the same conversations when we talk about billable hours and supervision hours and so she wanted to put them all together at thought. That was brilliant. I mean i agree. I think ethics when we just talk about ethics it can be very vague in when you're able to sort of think about well. What are the ethical behaviors. You can write them down codify them. You could talk about what it is. You're doing i mean. I think that was kind of some of the the crux of why you wanted to do. The sister district of tired of hearing about how we should be doing ethics. What are ethical behaviors as we all practice them. let's let's get a little more concrete. I'm the same with ethics by the way like it. It's too vague. It's i need like an answer. I need the anecdote. Needs something to grab onto or it. It just sort of goes in one ear and out. The other is like that sounds nice. That sounds good do that. I'll try right printing. Yeah and and i think that's kind of my whole my summary at the end of all this research is like this. All sounds really great. You know this all sounds like practical and useful information and so. There's like the practitioner side of me is like hey everybody listen to these things and do these things. They're really working. You know these employees are saying so and then there's the research scientists in media saying. Oh my god. We need way more research to validate. This is true because my anecdotal interview. Data is like a sample. And it's a very small sample. You know the sizes of the organizations are pretty reflective of the industry. Right one in one company had about twenty thirty people. One company at one hundred sixty and the other company was a small. Aba group and a very large ten ten thousand plus people organization and that is very similar to a lot of behavior analysts experience with their work so so they just so three companies like many aba service providers are there there's thousands and and i'm just that research just give me surface so i love somebody like pick up the research. Do something with it and do more with it. Maybe one day. If i get an academic position i'll keep doing it but right now in my personal life and my practice life. I don't have time to you. It right now layer at this hotel right. Tv manny podcast. I mean i could totally you know. I'm just joking. But i mean i i agree with you like i. I would love to do the research. I think the problem is is. I'm a practitioner. I've always been a practicing. And so if i was to do this in practice a dan yeah i would interview a bunch of interview a bunch of companies. I write up a blog and say. Here's what i did. And here's what my findings were and it would totally not probably not be salary search. Probably a break all the rules. It would probably not have earned. It won't earn me. A new doctorate get a doctorate to get a phd. You're you're following a regimen. You know very sound research protocol where as a practitioner go to go to town. Some research do some applied research. That's the best part you know. Give it a shot. Try it tested. Write it up and and posted on a blog. That's what i used to do as a consultant. I wasn't worried about peer reviewed journals. And you know making sure that i had all the data ride or whatever. I just wanted to ask them questions. Get some answers and see see if it helped other people many in terms of talking about late with that that research that can be picked up might be. I mean you had some great ideas in the in the dissertation. But i think we're would you if you have like all of a sudden here you go. Here's a big huge chunk of time and you get to do the research we would you look more at the generality of some of the themes which you look more at. It's great that some of these practices are in place. Do they result in better. Care for the clients and stakeholders that was kind of a topic. That came up a little bit of. It's it's it's great talk about ethical behavior but ev- ethical behavior and ethical practices in a company. This resulted in better services. That's kind of a weird disconnect. Wouldn't expect that. Would there be a line that that's the line if someone's going to do research tomorrow or start the research project tomorrow based on your findings so far. Is there like a line that you say. That's the one i think is the most important for the field. Oh man i wish you would have asked me that question before i can think about that one. That's a great question. I think that's a great question. I mean there so many different things that came up. That puzzled me that i would be like. Oh man this week research to do this that you know. It's been seven months since i got my doctorate. And i i don't wanna think about it was going to say i think my answer. Eight months ago is different than it is today so like everything that i wrote up and my conclusions on what future research should do i think is still right on but i added. Tell somebody the research to do with that Interview questions Back i pick a totally different pull a participants. I'd want to target the organizations and particularly organizations run by bcda's who have been sighted or who have been accused of some practice unethical practice whether they were found guilty or not or whatever would be hard to get to well. You know they're there. It's out there. You know the is there. And what i would want to do is contact them and they could remain anonymous. Might three companies are anonymous in my research. I didn't i didn't specify who the name of the companies are. So there's ways to do that to maintain confidentiality. But what i would wanna do. Say all right your ceo of an aba company. You're be you're accused of unethical behavior and you fought it right. And that's the target audience. I'd wanna talk to those people ones that said. Somebody accused me of something. I thought it. I was not found guilty of any unethical practices and i still run an aba company. Today i wanna. I wanna target that audience to find out. What is it that they are doing to encourage and enable good ethical practices and did anything change in the way they approach ethics as it relates to what they were accused of ood gray line to me. That would be awesome. That would be like profound research to to uncover and this comes from my own experience of my own ethical. Conundrums right on. I don't wanna go into that. But but i've learned so much from my own situation and so i can only guess i can also research. I can hypothesize that somebody who is accused of something leads an aba company. My i would be that that event would teach them. They would learn something from it and they would modify their behavior as a leader of that. Aba company to maintain an ethical path. This is what we have to do. We have to find the names of every single director and founder of an aba company and then singlehandedly. Look up their name in the uk cb public posting of who gets in trouble right. Got to be a report the week of like ethical. Nobody just like to get the name right rather than searching going into a eight years since company have an ethical violation. No okay right. Is there a quicker way to think. Search exactly but now there's a there's a okay so i think there's two different participants than because that list that exists that would be public. Posted are the people that actually violated go to both and were found guilty. Now that's still would be a good participant list right because definitely die bought this. This would be stronger if you found. If you found guilty my hypothesis would be learned something from that and you applied whatever you learned to be better right. Yeah especially if it says like super Supervision mandatory or suspension or. You know outside of revocation. I think the other. I bought this would be if they were. If there was revote. They probably learned squat off would be like they're now doing a career dunkin donuts or something. There don't care about the bbc anymore because they got a revolt and they probably argued it to death and they lost but the ones that got suspended and then got reinstated reinstated like to me those people. I have my heart for those people. Because i believe based on my own experience those people learn something implied what they learn and they're helping other people out and that would be the hypothesis. I would want to study especially if dahbi. Cba is an owner operator of aba company. They're supervising other. Bcda's or Bts that would be the research. I would go from here. I would take that conceptual model and i would try identify that participant pool. Like you're accused or you're suspended or your know you had allegations and you're not you're found guilty. You're found innocent whatever. What did you learn from that experience. Did you apply that to your business. That would be where i would go to like that. I like the line of line of research. Save any good. Follow up to tatton right like it's good to have this baseline that you already collected here. Gino kinda like what's the pulse of the general. Ab population that has fallen into this category and then from there trying to further discern if there are differences in organizational practices between groups that are in the clear and groups different into trouble or have may have changed in may be more aligned with those groups. We need a bigger sample. I mean exactly. And i and i think that would be like another. That could be another extension of the of the of the next what i would tell people like. Well just replicated with a bigger sample by. Yeah go find more. Aba companies to interview you know. Go talk to the top. Ten biggest ones. You know maybe. Instead of having three different companies had three different sizes just pick one organization. That's the largest one. There's at least five organizations that have thousands of employees right so pick one of them and interview the crap out of them. You know you could. Probably you could probably even implement the one thing i did not do. Absolutely refused was to utilize a survey instrument. As i get. No don't do that. I just want to interview people at my professors were all about that because i felt like it was more personal. I wanted that personal interview. But there's a ton of research utilizing survey instruments in the world of ethics. So i'm certain that somebody could replicate the research but instead of doing interview based model they could just use a survey instrument. And so think about like. You know the biggest. Aba companies out there with a thousand plus employees and using a survey instrument to construct a really good set of questions. Get some data across all the employees. It's here's a publication for somebody. Yeah yeah will mainly at at the point of the show where we need to kind of get get into summary which means we're going to enter our dissemination station here. We ride does the first time. I've heard that's real good. I liked that so many. We've talked about a lot of themes we've talked about a lot of areas of you know what. What do we know about ethics. But we know about the industry. What are we still need to know a lot of love. You'll really exciting ideas for future research but for tomorrow for the next week for individuals who are working in the industry. What would you say based on all the research you've done your own practice would be like the top you know one three two okay. Jags to sort of practices. That a ceo's to rb bts really should either looking for or acting on in their organizations to promote the maximum amount of ethical behavior. You know your opinion. I mean i know that some of the research it terms of the return on investment of some of these practices are aren't necessarily known but in your opinion what what would those be. That's a great question so i had a to. I'd pick the first one is to add. Sounds cliche but it was echoed in the interviews is make ethics daily conversation. So whether it's supervision whether it's training whether it's in a performance discussion about clinical hours like whatever make it a daily part of making the daily habit mega daily conversation. I thought that was echoed across all the companies and our bts executives. Everyone said the same thing. You just make it a part of your daily regime. If you're not talking about ethics you go hold twenty four hour period and you did not talk about ethics whether it's positive or negative just missed an opportunity so that would be one. The second one is a little bit on the other side of so an ob 'em we talk about making sure you link behaviors to results right so in that conceptual model. I'm talking about. How behaviors of leaders and followers right of the conversations. But then let's go all the way to the end of the circle which outcomes so the second tip i would say is evaluate your ethical judgment your clinical judgement in your cases and evaluated in respect to ethics and clinical judgement. So if what we're trying to do at the end of the day is used good clinical judgment good ethical judgment towards good clinical outcomes then there should be a practice. Aba companies do to evaluate those cases against that criteria and it was definitely a part of the conversations in the interviews know. They talked about in terms of outcomes. But you know treatment integrity treatment efficacy clinical judgments authorizations like all these things that we say are important are what we're trying to achieve. How good are we at evaluating those things. And how often do we evaluate those things. And i think some of the larger. Aba companies a couple. That i know for sure they do. What's called quality assurance. And what they do. Is they have a team dedicated to essentially doing an audit of cases and they sit and they look at the case notes. They look at the case logs. They look at the data. They look at the progress reports. They look at the intake packet. They look at all that stuff collectively and say as a bbc. Ba who's the auditor as the ba. Do i agree with this be. Cpa do my to. I even have a question about how this approach approached this case or what they're talking about in terms of the progress like basically questioning the clinical judgment of the bbc ba. And i think that that is an amazing practice. But i also think is not a practice that a lot of abd companies do and the reason. I think that is just so opinion. And i pop design any data to back up but the reason i think that is because of the heavy reliance on supervision. But the supervisor in the world of clinical practice is way too close to the case at. I think what. I'm talking about as the second. Bullet is having an unbiased third party internally third party a case so that it's not the supervisor and it's not the bbc beyond the kits is somebody totally neutral is just looking at it from a fresh perspective and asking that question like what i do at the same way it do. I have any questions from an ethical or clinical judgment I'd think that would be the second thing. I love that i love that as like a policy a practice is part of the kind of the procedures in this great idea. Manny thank you. Well many thank you so much. We really appreciate all the time you took tonight to talk with us about your about your research about the aba industries. Kind of his debt still feels like such a funny term to use but so true. That's what we're talking about here if individuals are interested in contacting you about your research about maybe they wanna be a part of your certification program out. Is there a way that they can contact you. So we have a website of course it's loyal ventures dot com. Bueno is good and spanish so b. u. e. n. o. benchers via n. t. u. r. e. s. went oh ventures dot com. Check us out very proud of that website. We just updated actually so so we've been in business since twenty nineteen and you can reach me through that website or you could just email me directly. No problem manny. Manny at point oh ventures dot com once again big big. Thanks to dr. Manny rodriguez for coming on the show and talking with us all about ethics in the aba workplace. I wanna make sure that everyone gets that second. Secret co word so you can earn that one ethics see and it is again. It's a guest codeword softball s. o. F. t. b. a. l. The sports like baseball but the ball slightly bigger. They pitched differently local town games. It's it's quite quite exciting but Many in addition to being opium expert and have received his doctorate in business administration also softball coach. Wow softball all right. We really hope you enjoyed this episode of aba inside track and this really wraps up our month of supervision and supervision related episodes although the sexually an ethics episode. But you know supervision adjacent. I would say thanks to jackie and diana for all their help on the show. Thanks also to you for listening. We really hope that you leave us. A review on apple podcast spotify stitcher. Wherever you like to get your podcast maybe think about subscribing to the show a lot of other ways that you can reach out to us the certainly find us on social media as aba inside track. Run all the major platforms. You can go to the website eighty-eight inside track dot com to find links to all the articles discussed inter episodes and archive of our old episodes as well as to purchase si es you can go to youtube youtube page where these episodes are posted with the youtube subtitling feature. And if you're interested in you know getting a little bit more content you can join us on patriot and patriot. Dot com slash. Aba inside track for five dollars a month. You can get your episodes a week ahead of time. We're updating our tears to try to kind of see what's new for the the new year of aba inside track so check us out there as well as to get some special extra episodes we also want to thank you other people who helped make this podcast possible. Dr jim car for recording our intro and out show music. Cow story for creating our interstitial music. Dan talbott of the podcast doctors for his editing work and hawes irvine from cinema workshop for its visual design. We'll be back next week with another full episodes but until then responding by.

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What Podcast Marketing Posts Work Best on LinkedIn?

The Podcast Accelerator

06:51 min | 3 months ago

What Podcast Marketing Posts Work Best on LinkedIn?

"What type of podcast marketing post work. Best on linked in question the in from a good friend. Mr jonathan bailey. Wrong a few weeks ago on our podcast launch accelerate to office hours which you can attend if you launch and your podcast for free at eleven and eastern every single friday in the podcast launch accelerator facebook groups. I wanna talk about that right here in just a second on the podcast accelerates. I'm your host mark asquith. Ceo and co founder here with it dot f. m. transforming podcast and to help you to build your audience if you don't believe going the at captivate dot fm and experience podcast hosted truly wants to help you to succeed. Also before i get to this content answer the question from john i am just going to give a shoutout to a web. My email marketing platform of choice and partner here on the podcast. Accelerator if you are building an audience you must have an email list. It's that simple. He's not clear. And if you don't you missing out on not only good relationships not only the ability to understand what your audience wants even more deeply but also revenue. I'm not joking here. When i say this email marketing is one of the most powerful ways of generating revenue as a podcast. So go and try airworthy for free at marcus dot com slash air wherever. You don't even need a credit card. Now i'm no expert on link tim but when my longtime friend mr john bailey strong asked me what types of i i've seen work best on linked in for podcast marked in. I had to dive in for me. It comes down to what type of media published in. How you tightly now. First and foremost let me just preface this with linked in his full generally all clunkers. It is not sorry for saying not and whilst there are some amazing people linked in there are some amazing content creators. there are those plunk is out there who will always tell you off posting something a little fun on what is supposed to be a quote unquote professional network to you. I say getting the c. You are plonker. Because he's a social network a network to be social upon. So let's just get that out the way to start with. Why do i say it's not to be a komo gently old sought is actually. Because if you if you approach linked in with the mindset of this is a professional network you'll do content you will not do good content all right. The reason for that is you'll be worried. Will someone judge me. We'll someone to think that. I'm not doing the right thing blah blah. Who cares right so let's just out the way that's why i'm saying. I'm not not just been a model booger. I'm saying it for that reason. All right to get past this quote unquote professionalism that seemingly apparently supposedly exists only now what type of content world's best. We'll look like you said. I'm no expert book. What doesn't work in my view and have tried this and i'd do it even still because i kind of feel bad not doing. It is just posting stuff. All right so yes. I've got automation setup. I think maybe twelve hours after publishing episode even twenty four hours. I post an update to link to. In fact i've got to. I've got one twelve hours in one. I think twenty four hours which will be posted episode to link ten actually sends people to my website and he just pulls in the polls in the excerpt from a blog posts which in turn is pushed through from the apple. Podcasts summary and captivate. I've got some automation up for that. And he saw turned into a nice looking post pulls a nice imaging and whatever. That's all right for just sort of simple basic automated sharing but it doesn't really get that much traction. So what does thoughtful content. That is what does okay. So that's not good to hear because he's difficult to produce it takes time to produce it but look if you put a post out there on linked tin there's actually a well-considered highly thought out post gives almost tells a story that gives a problem that defines the parameters of the problem and then provide a solution and then tells people that can get more from specific. Place i your podcast episode. You usually do a little bit better with that. Because people can engage with it they can ask for their opinions and importantly if you ask for opinions that really helps remember calls to action the not have to be these big marketing things. A lot of people don't simply set themselves. Well i'm gonna get engaged on a post. Because i won't what the tend to do is they'll see on what a second. This author is actually want feedback. So i feel like there's an open door to give it now. What a lot of podcasters do is say well. Mark don't get any engagement on social media and for the most part they're not asking for it so of course. Why would people engage if no one feels like they. Can you know if if something looks like a transient passive post. Why would they engage with it. You've got to ask for that engagement all right. So that's a key thing on lincoln and the last thing i'm going to say on this one. I think personally that videos that are produced fullington work very very. Well now that can just be something as simple as grabbing your phone record in a very quick video and just digging into it but then kinda prefets in that video with a nice bit of written texts. That does what i said. Just now outlined problem delivers a bit of value. You discussed that same thing inside the video and then you kind of move further forward and push people to your podcast now are you. You know israel the stuff that you can do yes. Of course you can do some of the gallery. Based on linked to some of the slide is working really well. But have you got the time to do that. You know if you have all well and good it. If you haven't all right. I get that okay. That's okay focus in my view on well written story based post and video content doesn't have to be big video content it can be soft candidate video content issue yourself using your phone or go pro or whatever but just try that because i think that is the easiest way to start with content. That will actually get a bit attraction on lincoln yes like i said you can expand it later. But that is the easiest lowering lowest hanging fruit to get started with content that will generate a few results for all right. So that for me sought the little middle ground out suggest. Now let me now. You get along on linked search for me mark. Asquith on lincoln. Let's hook up. It's all good not hook up. Why did i say that that's silly like hookup in england just means like get together. It doesn't mean black. It does in the us. Do you know what being in england sometimes really kicked my ass when it comes to podcast in. There are loads of phrases. That i'm not allowed to say like i'm not allowed to say i love you and leave you because jesse said that implies that we're going to well we're going to hook up and then i'm just gonna leave where in the uk. It's just i'm going to you know i love you. I have to leave donna buddy. Al thanks england anyway come until linked in just connect over their search for me mike asquith. You recognize me. I've got really nice looking black and white picture. Alad nothing like that. I realized do search me. We'll connect let me know what i can do to help you know. Drop me a dm on that. We can chat through some stuff and of course on twitter. That's where do most of my compensation all right hit me up over there atma stress within until the next time. Thank you to jonathan for asking the question. Thank you to you for listening and joy self steph and please keep on captivated ideas.

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Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's daughter added to royal line of succession: The key to changing human nature

The Daily Article

06:50 min | 3 months ago

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's daughter added to royal line of succession: The key to changing human nature

"This is the daily article podcast published by the denison forum or culture changing christians to receive the daily article directly to your email inbox each weekday morning visit the daily article dot com. Now here's today's news discerned differently. Let's start with some good news. Meghan markle in prince harry's daughter lily bet diana mountbatten windsor was added to the royal line of succession yesterday. Here's some more good news. An asteroid the size of the great pyramid of giza missed us when it flew by our planet sunday. Here's my guess you find the second story a bit more relevant to your life than the first and thus the better news of the two. That's understandable lily. Bet is now eighth in line to the throne currently held by the queen which means a great deal would have to go wrong before she ascended the british throne and unless you live in the uk. The inhabitant of that throne is probably less relevant your daily life than missing a collision with a massive asteroid. One of the consequences of living in a consumer driven economy is that consumers. Believe we drive more than the economy. We are given to think that it's all about us that we should have what we want when we want it. We assume that what we believe is best for us is best for us. This fact helps to explain why optimism is down nearly twenty points since may a majority fifty five percent of the public now say that they are pessimistic about the direction of the country. A marked change from the thirty six percent who said the same in a may second poll according to abc news the drop likely reflects the growing concern that lockdowns could be reinstated and already vaccinated. Americans could need a booster shot for covert nineteen. Americans are also experiencing a major decline in friendships in nineteen ninety thirty. Three percent of us said we had ten or more close friends in twenty twenty one. That number had fallen to thirteen percent. Only half of us fifty one percent say we are very or completely satisfied with the number of friends. We have this. At a time of skyrocketing gun violence in recent months between july seventeenth and july twenty third. The gun violence archive tracked at least nine hundred fifteen shooting incidents which averages one every twelve minutes at least four hundred thirty people were killed and one thousand seven wounded one more cultural fact. Us population growth has ground to a halt because of the cova nineteen pandemic and a decade-long decline in birth rate. What are you to do about. Pandemic threats relational challenges rising violence and declining population growth. Your answer is probably very little unless you have a way to stop the pandemic encourage relationships and end violence. These stories may frustrate you more than the inspire you. This is because despite what we think it's not really all about us even if you're the president of the united states there's only so much you can do about the problems we face. We cannot legislate to produce morality though we can and must legislate against immorality. Of course but god can do what we cannot oswald chamber's observed jesus christ is not give us rules and regulations. His teachings are truths that can only be interpreted by the disposition he puts in the great marvel of jesus. Christ's salvation is that he alters heredity. He does not alter human nature. He alters its mainspring chambers noted that the sermon on the mount for example is not a set of rules and regulations. It is a statement of the life we will live when the holy spirit is getting his way with us. This is a massive insight. We can regulate external behavior. But only god can change human nature we can act in godly ways to impress others and seek god's blessing but measure your heart. Do you secretly still want to do what you know. You should not do. Imagine being so free of addiction to sin that we no longer suffer from its cravings. Obviously we will act in godly ways and will draw others to jesus as a result but this will be true joy for us as well. Our main spring will be different. Our part of the equation is to be filled with the spirit to yield to god's sanctifying holy spirit every moment of every day when we submit yourselves therefore to god as instructed in james four seven we can resist the devil and he will flee from you. Our culture teaches us that we can do anything if we just try harder however holiness is not trying harder to do better it is being so poor in spirit so humbled and surrendered before god that he can make us like jesus then we can join him in turning the challenges our day into opportunities for godliness that glorifies our lord the scottish minister. John bailey prayed. Teach me oh god to use all the circumstances of my life today to nourish the fruits of the spirit rather than the fruits of sin. Let me use disappointment as material patience. Let me use excess as material for thankfulness. Let me use anxiety as material for perseverance. Let me use danger as material for courage. Let me use criticism as material for learning. Let me use praise as material for humility. Let me use pleasures as material for self control. Let me use pain as material for endurance. Will you make his prayer yours today note. I am posting biblical responses to breaking news throughout the day on twitter. I invite you to follow me at jim. Denison if you like what you heard please leave a rating and review for the podcast. Thank you for listening to the daily article podcast today.

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Podcast Machines Bring You War Stories

Altered Geek

1:46:50 hr | 1 year ago

Podcast Machines Bring You War Stories

"You're tuned in to Steve. Magnetron on altered Kiko. Low and welcome to altered. Geek I'm your host Steve Negative. Phillips joining me in this adventure into geeked him which sometimes it's good. Sometimes, it sucks is fifty one mic. Hello Hello. Oh. So lame share. Yeah. So hopefully, this energy coq does its job and gives me the energy I need. It seems to be certainly hit me pretty well because. The fog has gone in the brain is racing and. Firing on all cylinders go at least for the next forty, five minutes. There's no guarantee that it'll be functional. So that's Milan. We'll still function. is to fog Shannon. So anyways. I'm going to start off right from the top of the show and kind of mentioned. Some of you may have seen the car accident posts that I I made. So, Long. Story. Short. In Colorado, we have this expressway called twenty-five. For, those not familiar with it. If you're familiar with the one that goes from Michigan to Florida, the I seventy five, it's very similar in the sense except. Colorado's been working on the same stretch of road for about four years. It's Kinda like is sixty five in Indiana, it'll. Be stopped worked on. Well, my thing is we've been here a little over a year and a half or closing and on two years in another six months or so and. The thing is is. It boggles my mind how long it is taking them to do this small stretch of land. The the section that's between like. where I live, which is in Windsor and where I work, which is lovely. They have they're trying to expand the expressway from two lanes to four. Okay. So Let that sink in for a second I'm or at least three. Either way they're trying to expand it. The problem is that they've had such a massive influx of people like growth of of moving to Colorado right can't keep up but the problem with it is. You can go out there. You never see him working on it. And Say what you will about Michigan Michigan has crappy roads. Yes. and. Yes. They also have multiple construction projects going on at the exact same time. They'll work on one. Don't move over to the next one next and eventually come back. When I've watched them tear down entire six lane bridges. Cheese in Michigan. Got It rebuilding it with modern architecture so because they were old. And completely got it and it comes back. It's nice new. They'll have it done in a summer because they don't have winter. Lake. Colorado where things knelt in Colorado within the afternoon because it'll jump from. Thirty to sixty or something, or you'll get the direct sunlight and it'll still melt under thirty degrees. Michigan it doesn't happen. No. Once you get that snow. It's like you know Massachusetts like they get a lot more snow. Because further north to and then they're coast coastal for the most part but. Michigan has until about October to finish whatever they're doing or else it has to sit until the spring. So I feel like Michigan has a little bit better in that sense that they can actually fix their highways and build them in a sufficient amount of time I don't know what Colorado's issue is. Jumping back to the point at hand. Because the expressway so compacted. People like you're supposed to go fifty five miles per hour on it and his strategy and. It's a safety thing and I get it. Most of the time you have to go about forty five maybe fifty. So we were driving we were heading to the church at on a Thursday evening The goal was the boys had like a a programs called adventures. It's like scouts, but it's like. It's the church equivalent of it adds more wholesome apparently. That they still earn badges do all that stuff too. But it's it's more like there's different levels of it just like boy scouts except for the fact that it's It's called adventures and it's for male and female. It's not A. It's not a boy only club. Okay. It a boy only clobber girl only club. It's just. That's how it is and so. And then their version of the scouts. Cub Scouts. When they go to the boy scouts level, it's called finders but. So that being said, the boys were going I was dropping them off and I was going to clean the church for Mary because she just had gallbladder surgery two days before. Right and She wasn't medicated or anything. She was fine she she was off the meds like the day before. So she wasn't even taking this stuff anymore she was feeling pretty good. So we're driving. twenty-five and we're heading to the exit for the Church and. We hit the section where they're doing all the construction and we've since figured out that the passing lane is a dangerous. Lame. Because if you stay in the lane where everybody emerges from getting on the expressway or getting off, that's actually the safest spot because people slow down at a sufficient amount whereas the other side they're blowing pasture. Right, so anyways, I got over because I wanted to pass a semi truck and it was it was going slow. I don't even think it was going to speed limit. I. Was just trying to get in front of it and. So I was driving the van with the kids. Five cars behind me Mary got behind another set of trucks that were behind me. They were just regular diesel full-sized trucks. and. Traffic Way ahead of me just started abruptly stopping from fifty miles per hour zero. So it's like. Everybody's stomping on their brakes and I I was probably within half a foot of hitting the car in front of me. When I finally stopped so the boys were good I was good the vehicle behind me stopped insufficient time the one behind that in sufficient time, and then the other one must not have been paying attention because they stopped sufficient time but Mary was able to stop and sufficient time. So she rented the truck. It. But she swerved in just the right fashion that it didn't crunch the whole front of the car and make her hurt herself. So, she it tore up the entire front driver quarter panel and Grille and hood, and just tore completely toward the model off. Crunched. Everything up pretty good just couldn't get her door open all the airbags deployed. So, she was able to eventually get over and get up off the. Expressway. So. She got a nice little airbag deployment, burn her wrist and. I kept going like I. Heard the crash happen. Car Fly, in the air the boys were like I see blue era I think that was mommy and I was like I I had a feeling. It was her I didn't know it was her but I had a feeling. I couldn't see the vehicle anymore behind me but I heard. And I knew she was five cars behind me and I had these big trucks that were basically overshadowing the equinoxes anyway and so. I tried calling her I'm getting voice mail getting voice mail because she called nine one one and when it does that it automatically kills all other calls to the phone so it doesn't receive any. Right. So when she finished that call, she called me back and she's like, yeah, the vehicles trash she's like all the airbags deployed. I'm I'm okay. She's like don't come back. She said because there's nothing you can do for me right here and so I took the boys and then I started cleaning and. There were a little traumatized a little to begin with. So I I called one of Mary's friends who happen to be just near there in picked her up and took her to their house so that after the boys were dumb thing I, picked her up and she was Iraq like she was just. She's got like a understandably. So a PTSD with the expressway right now. Because of the You know the the massive damage that happened. It had hit probably front on with the vehicle she was driving she probably would have been injured in the hospital or dead. If we were if we had a little car like what we used to have, she would have been dead because the those things have no. Hit. A truck. So thankfully, she was in that and. So anyways I get a call from the insurance company. Friday and they said. Well, it's totaled. And they're like as you. Thought and they're like you're getting ten. Grand for this car. Which I was like Oh. Cool. 'cause. Paid eleven used from. Somebody we bought it off somebody in Twenty fifteen. We've had it for five years. So realistically with tires and with a few other small nickels and dimes items of interest, we only spent twenty, five hundred dollars honestly on it then at this. I mean basically when you consider the ten grand I'm getting back. Right. So so that that was nice and. So. I'd. When we were recording this last week and we were messing around. With stuff I was looking at pictures of trucks. and. You're like, okay. Stop looking at the trucks this record you know because I was going at it for about an hour. Yeah Knowing. The graph. He loves him some trucks folks. Yeah. So I was trying to find an old S. ten truck like what I used to have been. That's just not in the realm of possibility plus they're only extended cab. They don't have a crew cab, which have you know she wanted a bench seat in the back. That's what it boiled down to. She didn't want the foldout because they don't put those in anything anymore because they're not honestly safe. Even, though they're sized for the child. So. anyways she. She was like, yeah. No, we're not doing that one. We're not doing that. We're not doing that. We're not doing that one so. So. It kept blowing down. We did see one that was a possibility and it was. It was ninety eight or something and it, but it was eight cylinder and we're like Oh that's gas eater. So we were like that's a now. So back to the drawing board So, Back to Friday, she's in Michigan because I dropped them off at the airport. On Thursday they they went to visit family in Michigan while I'm in. And so I finished production Abou- eleven o'clock got home about noon. She calls me and We're looking at cars dot, com and vehicles we're debating attracts or equinoxes. I load up because I had various filters on my search parameters and. Lo and behold. Two thousand seven Chevy Colorado showed up. And I was looking at those two. Because I like the body style of the old ones. And they're not insanely huge I, mean there's still big by comparison to the s trucks but. They're not as big as the modern Colorado either in. So right I was a little bit more. Okay with it. They're not as good of a motor as like the s ten trucks or the new Colorado, but that's neither here nor there. So anyway, the thing we were looking for was like four by four for real drive. Needed, to be crew cab. So. They had stock photos. It had just hit the light. or it hadn't hit a lot of just was traded in and they had entered in the system, and so I called the salesmen and I'm like hey. I need to see him some pictures but I'm interested in this and it said it was crew cab. It said it had four wheel drive. And it was a Colorado and it had fifty two thousand miles. which is unheard of for that year because anything that was even around that year. Was the same price and it had like over one hundred, thousand miles. Granted they weren't even crew cab. So. What had happened is these people treated it in they were moving to a retirement home and so it was garage capped. So it reminded me and a lot of ways of my GRANDPA had the truck that I bought off of him years ago. because. Literally. All the bells and whistles like it was decked to the nines like everything and so that's how this truck is. So he sent me pictures of it. It's that deep red color. Right is funny because when I saw these trucks come out originally when I worked at the dealership I was like I need one of those red trucks. So you know. What you will, you know divine providence or Karma or whatever. It's it it lined itself up. So it had has the role buyers step side to the side of the truck and has crew cabinet has four wheel drive. It has Z seventy-one its got leather seats. It's got power everything It's got fog lights got. It has a topper on it. And which the topper thing is hilarious because I don't like the looks of a top run a truck. but it's convenient to if you wanna just carries like you want to haul stuff but you don't necessarily need it so that it overflows over the side like it's just. But they carpeted the inside of the truck, the liner part of it. Like. The boys can just camp well, and that's what's funny about it as we're like, well, we could take this thing camping and just throw everything in the back, and then if it's you know if need be, we could do we could rough it by sitting in the back of the. Dark but it's also a deterrent. So if you're carrying something that's possibly going to scratch the bed, you won't scratch the bed. Right so I was I was looking at it. I'm like, okay. That works you know and if I don't like the top, get a ton of cover, which is you know the vinyl thing that they put over the top. Right and then I would do like a spray in bed liner, which is like a hard plastic that reinforces the metal in prevents it from rusting. Which I may still do that myself just sitting save some money. In take out the fabric part but. So anyways, yeah. In towing package and everything else. So it's it's fully decked out which. I was quite surprised but in a lot of ways reminded me of my GRANDPA's truck in that scenario. So. I told the Guy I'm like. I'll take it. You go after a lot of debating with Mary over the text and. She's like well, test drive it Blah Blonde. So I drove it around town actually lost like is there because of covid. We can't actually ride with you anymore. So we have to get all the your insurance information we have to get your license stuff we got A. Okay I'm like that's fine. So. You just take this route and you go around here in this thing and the other thing I got lost and I I made my way back. I had Batman giving me orders to get back but. Up But Yeah. So I mean it drove fine. I. There was some stupid kid playing on his phone. In the middle of an intersection and I, tried out the brakes they work really well. I say try out as in this guy was being an idiot in front of me. Right so I know the brakes work. Tried out the four wheel drive like everything works great. So they're going to send it through reconditioning that clean it, and then I'll have to pay the balance on Friday because they're like, are you going to pay for it and I'm like cash? Like like. What's the hold up? I. Says Insurance I says 'cause in the state of Colorado if you have a total loss. They take your. The insurance company I think they. Give it to the state or they do something I don't know how they do it but the state gets the title. Okay. So they make it so that yeah, the insurance. Company will give you two thirds of the money and the other third gets released when you send the title to the State, and then they tell the insurance company and they release the rest of the funds and so I told them, I'm like well, I won't get all the funds until next week. So yeah. So I just got to bring him a check on Friday and boom I gotTA truck. So I'm pretty excited about that. Okay so Two things. Yes. Number One. Yes. Do the spray bed liners because last thing you need is cosmic rust in your truck. Second thing. My lovely wife Karen at an idea for you. Now, I know your lovely wife Mary ends up listening to this show every now, and then hopefully, she won't listen to your three hundred seventy fifth episode because she doesn't listen. She never listened to. Anyway. So, Karen said. If he's getting a new truck because you know, hell horrific was that she got an accent and the other car got totalled. Alcee really needs to do is add the fifty dollars or three hundred and fifty dollars into the price of the truck. The truck and he could get his mega Toronto's. Har Har Har. Said than done dude I'm like that's genius. It is except she would she she watches money like a hawk. I know I told her that it would never never fly. I understand I'm just saying. I I I'm just saying to it would never fly I know. She'd be lying she'd be like. Money come from where where's it going? I he did not go towards the truck. Yes, it did it went towards the truck decorations these new toys. Yes, she used to call me out when I used to work at the car dealership. And she would be like. So Would you get it and then she took name the Gas. Station I'd stop at and she's. Like. Do you, and she's like I was watching the bank statements. I'm like Oh of course you were. So. Yeah. I mean if it were I, wish the mega was like half the price. I could I could make that happen. More. So I need to complete the optimist verse Mega Scene Because I have one of the two. I need the other one. Speaking of beast wars. Yes stores. Yes. Since Kingdom is coming. I I've seen the the megaton figure for kingdom. It's still is a thousand times better than the original Hasbro figure. It's got it's got color. It's bigger. and IT'S A. Like the robot mode actually looks like megatonne whereas the robot mode on the original ninety, five version did not. It. It was so crappy of coloration like they put very little effort into it until they released it in two thousand ten and then they were like, Hey, look, we did it right this time. and they kind of had some slight remotes to it but. No this one's this one's pretty accurate and I. If I get stuck with just getting this fifty, two, dollar one, I'm fine I would love more. So to get the masterpiece and just pass on this one altogether. Just because honestly like I mean, if I have a choice, I would get both but. If I had the money the the masterpiece would be where I'd I'd dump it Well, yeah. Because masterpiece is supposed to be the highest tier of KC. Exactly so Bad casts construction. Breaks it's a lost art though it is a lost art he won't break. That's why like the original beast wars megatrend toys like I broke them multiple times because the plastic was so chintzy on stuff. Like especially, the Trans. Metal. megatrend that was the one that disappointed me the most. I know this is not the transformers podcast, but we can get with it is altered. This is altered Geek. We can talk about whatever. But, the masters or the transmitter magnetron that. came out his arm and because it was, it would fold in on on the inside of its back. When he went to a beast mode. But when he went into robot, you would full it out and it was only holding on a little narrow. Hinge that almost like the stuff they using hot wheel curse for the wheels. In the plastic itself would always break off because I had two of them and they both broken the exact same place. In the arm fell off. So I had to glue one of them back on. So you just permanently couldn't transform and the head sculpt was Kinda crappy whereas like I feel like they got it. All right. When they did the Dragon Mega Tron, they finally got most of it there. But I I honestly just sold everything because half the stuff just didn't look show accurate. The stuff we're getting now socio accurate in some regards like yes. The Kingdom Mega Tron has some of those chintzy joints like they put on the Armada Toys. I recognize it. I know what they're doing. It's it is a little bit more versatile and more. It's more stable than some of the joints that they were putting on things for a while where would kinda just flop over on its own. So I get it, but it does look cheap because you know what kind of hinge it is. But yeah. So I mean I'm I'm at least going to get that megatrend I thought about getting the primal because he's only thirty. And there's not that much difference between that one in the masterpiece but there's a slight difference and I was like you know I could get that one to, and then if I ever get the masterpiece metronet both sets. I don't know, and then I was thinking about some of the other figures like cheat or and rat trap. But I'm like those kind of suck by comparison, the tenth anniversary or the thrilling thirty versions. Whereas those I felt were better. I mean, these are still nicer than the original toys that came out in the nineties but. They're still not. They're not that great by comparison and the Black Iraq either way you look at it still an upgrade from the ninety s version. was basically a repaint of Tarantulas but So this all spawned me into thinking. I work in audio production for audio dramas and I was thinking. I. Have. Pretty much all the files for dark glass. Show I, pull all the files off of my external drive earlier. And I'm starting to look through them. There's cries I? Think there's a character that's not I don't have the files for it but I don't know if it's I. Don't know if we ever got him or if I got an email. Because I. For instance I. I was going to be. Mega on it which obviously I. Didn't record on my lines though for it because I think they sucked. So I deleted to the all. Like I had I, didn't have the Yeti at the time. Right I. had one of those desk microphones or I was using my USB headset I think that's what it was and they just sounded like crap. So I was like I'm just going to dump thieves and start over. Because, I didn't have the inflections right in some like it sounded. Crap. So I, I'm going to rerecord those for it but I do have everybody else's lines I. think except for Quick Strikes and I think John Bailey was supposed to do quick strike and he did primal for it to. and Yes I. think that. Was it. Oh Wow I found another character didn't have lines for. I saved I saved. Ford it all the emails to my hotmail account before I wiped out the domain that was associated with it. When we we did it originally. So I have some some scouring through that even like right now but. So the plan is is I'm going to use as much as possible the beast wars music and sound effects that I can find And then I'll probably supplement some of it from. From g one if needed but to kind of put together the audio production and Create this cohesive. Twenty two minute episode. Very. Cool. Very cool. So I'M GONNA I'm working at it for two reasons. One IT I'm tired of it sitting around not getting done. You know it's only like ten years later. I mean you know. We've come to the realization the video portion is never going to happen. So the audio drama can be still a thing. Oh. Yeah. The your drama can still be thing. There was a podcast called optimus prime cast or something that was like four years ago they did their own rendition of glass from some comic or some some version of the script that was out and. What's funny about it is I i. emailed them because June of two thousand sixteen because I discovered this show and. I listened to part of it because somebody was like, Hey, have you seen this yet and I was like no. So I, checked them out and. They. They recorded their own dark glass episode and it was okay and they had some guys voices in a lot of it was kind of shoddy and they did what they could with it. They referenced our show. Old Boy at one point the beast unleashed and I said, oh, I'll and so I was like, yeah, we were the guys who because they said there's another beast wars podcast out there the beast unleashed or something and I was and I replied this as we were the guys who did that five years ago And I answered something about the scripts Isis as far as I know this this. As far as the script is concerned, there were two fan versions. One, nine, ninety nine is a CGI script. The other one that they came upon is an old one by Brenton which I can't remember who that is at this point because it's so old. I have all the stuff somewhere I just have to dig it out. And then. I. Was Very Coy on the other version, the official version but. but. We're supposed to know that we have that. have why. Thing that we got ten five years ago. It was longer than five years ago. You know what? I mean I know It's it's it's protected. So better. I still have it. I. Know You still not saying you don't. Anyway. anyways. So I told him I says that for this project, we wrote her own version of the dark glass. Episode Mixing You know the CGI ninety, nine one with our own items pulling from the beast Lord to complete some storyline issues that arose. There like a couple other things like megatonne experimenting with transmittal driver and. Because he discovered it at some point or. To try and play around with it anyway. So yeah, there are multiple things that come into play into that and so I A. There's still some hidden things that nobody really knows about that. We kind of incorporated some fan service but. Yeah, it was never gonNA get done. As a CGI thing just because. Yeah. Yeah. So. anyways. Yeah. The Genome Studios version, which was the CGI one and the the Brenton ones are close in some areas but not another's so our final production version does. A. Does somewhat exist but we cut the the script under lock and key which again I downloaded everything from our we used box dot com or something at the time. Which? It. It's basically like dropbox, but it's different. It's like box it was like the box or something back then. anyways. I downloaded all of it before it went by and I have the internal by Scott drops yeah. So. Yeah. So anyways I'm going to play around with this, and this is a personal goal of mine is to get this episode done Maybe by the end of the year I'm hoping I've I've dumped all the files into audition and I'M GONNA start assembling the dialogue portion and then spacing it out. As I figure out what's supposed to go in there according to the script. A. Little taste of how it actually is for our director of the other program that I work for. You go because he's like he's like, yeah, some of can piece together fairly well and some of it. So so much. Yeah. So Yeah. I was just. Happy. That I still had some of it. So the is is I'm going to get back and character record megatrend and do. Some of that stuff be a nice little demo service anyway With. Mega Tron. Yeah. So it's it's. Actually going to get started at this point. Cool. Kevin Place depth-charge yes. He does did pretty good to. CAST him. Might have to recap some other people because they're paid actors now but. CAST. Yeah. Yeah, because we've got Edward Bosco, we've got John Bailey. We've got a Daniel Ross. All three of those guys. Natalie van Sistine, who played a black Iraq issues paid voice actor now. Yeah. So a lot of the people that were involved in this are actually actors now which in the business in the business. which is hilarious now that it's like, yeah, we waited so long that. You had actually get paid to do it. Yeah. Not Anything wrong with that because everybody should be getting their own agents. Yeah. I WANNA voice over stuff forever man. anyways. So yeah, that's that's kind of what's what's been I'm I plate? Aside from being swamped with production stuff. And almost getting locked in my house the other night. I don't know if tell that story or not. Sure why not your wife's not listening or is she? She's she knows the story So Yeah I. I was coming home from the dealership and it's an hour and fifteen minutes away. So I went to go check the Mail on the way home because it's it's they have those boxes they don't put them in front of Your House out here unless you have an old house and then that's the only way it happens but. So I went to go do that I went to go get my keys my pocket to unlock it and I'm like. Where my keys. I cannot find my keys. So I went and started panicking and called the dealership gave you see keys and a key ring it's got my work stuff on. It's got my house key. It's got like I says. I'm at home. Can't get in my house and so the the guys like all right I'll go I'll go check around in the vehicle and everything else and. So I. pull up to the house because I'm like. Well, there's no point trying to go to the mailbox key. So I grew up to the house and then they see my Amazon package for their remote garage door opener. Had arrived, which does me no good if it's not hooked up. Because I had the interior door to my garage like to my house unlocked. But I had no way to get in the garage. Right. Because it has one of the same lax on the back door for it as it does for the House on that portion and then I had garage door opener. And I hadn't hooked the remote garage door opener Wifi adaption pro thing because. It had come in the mail yet. So I'm standing on my porch with this box and all my stuff and I'm like I need to get house and you can get in the house I'm going to be sleeping outside for the next week late. Call a blacksmith having break me in my own house but. So I'm sitting there panicking than I. I had a moment of calm and I'm like wallet and I'm like Why am I thinking about my wallet and then I remembered Oh dear key in there because that's So. I went out I pulled the spare and I'm like Oh. Yeah you can get my house at least I just don't know what happened the risk the keys, and so I get the House I turn on the lights look over on one of the legends and I left my keys there when I stopped home for lunch. So my keys were sitting on the counter and I'm like well, that's good at least. So I called the dealership back and I'm like, Hey, by the way, I'm a moron and I left him here in a lock myself in own house earlier. But thankfully, I had a spare key my wallet and he just laughed and he's like have a good night. No I quickly like clip those to my belt and then I'm like. All right. So I I went out in the garage and I hooked up the wireless. Converter for my garage door to convert to a smart garage and I hooked them the APP and I tried it out and. That works at least if I get locked out of my house and get in my house through my my garage. Oh. So yeah, I learned always have a spare Oh Yeah, and and then yesterday. It was last night. I think it was after we were going to record. Last. Night was a cluster flunk. I was going to record. Then I'm like man, my is my head hurting so bad in my office and I could not figure out why? In. The funny thing is, is the first month month and a half a minute house. This happens been retirement I forget. because. They have their own crappy bulbs all over the house. Right and I don't use them. So. I went and I stood on my Desk I. looked up there and I'm like because it had that soft white look but it's Right right went to unscrew it and I'm like All these are scalding hot. and. So I'm like well, I gotta get this down and so at this point because I noticed how hot it was the glass was like so hot it made the towels smell afterward Lake to burning it and I'm like I gotTa have the light onto see what I'm doing though. So. I A grab this talent I'm holding the glass, and then I'm trying to unscrew with the other piece of the towel. Drop it all and. So I got the glass off and then it's like it's so hot in there like burn part of the glass which I watched and it was fine it cleared it off but. The bulbs in there they had three seventy five watt bulbs in there. In. The sockets for sixty watt. Oh Jesus. You can't do that and I was like you gotta be kidding me like they were going for high lumens in it, which doesn't mean anything depends on color temperature. You'll because I've learned that to. From media stuff like you can have more balloons, it doesn't mean anything like it was soft white and it was still darker in my office. So I got rid of the soft white through the bulbs out. I was like not using those I had some led leftover from the last house. And Their sixty watt bulbs but you know the equivalent wattage is the sixty watt it's actually nine watt. Because they're led heat up. All of them I get the daytime. Bulbs. Because they're easier on your is your like five thousand Kelvin or whatever for the color temperature. So it it. It's more calming on your is it's better for office. It's better for all that. So I swapped it out. And put all three of them in there. Put the thing in. It's actually brighter in here with those three bulbs. The fixtures not hotter than. I don't feel like my house is going to burn down from heaven my office laid on And Had Headache went away immediately nego. So let me ask you this. Did you have your office light on while you were locked out of your house for you change Oh. Okay. Good too stupid light on for an hour. And it was it was like it's hot is something my stove I could've boiled an gone it. It was it was so unbelievably hot I. was I was so mad. That I'm like, okay I'm GONNA have to. I'm going to have to go around the house now in all the bulbs. I don't have any replacements right now. So there's no point in you checking in at this point because I'm not actually using the rest of the house but my office. But I on Amazon yesterday before my prime ran out and I ordered twenty four led bulbs because I'm like I'm going to be replacing a bunch of bulbs around this house at this point because I don't want to burn my house down. because. Somebody's an idiot and can't read. Yeah I. Just. I don't know like I get the daytime ones because honestly there's so much easier on your is because it feels like natural light. Yup. So. Yeah. So anyways I did that. So the joy of buying a house, are you have to put some money into it but a lot of these nip modern tech upgrades are actually very beneficial to a house. Yes yes they are. So. What we're going to say. So Karen was looking at. Stuff on Amazon the other night. She comes across this smart ceiling light flush mount led WIFI compatible with Alexa Google home. Decibel low profile, ambient light fixture for bedroom living room Yada, Yada Yada Yada Yada. And I'm like Oh some looking through this thing and it's you know it's just one light and we have one lighten our living room. Obviously we're in an apartment we would have to ask the the. The property management, but this light has multiple colors. The slight has a purple. Setting. The, whole Living Room my office included, which will eventually be here in a couple of weeks. Could be purple without us, actually having to paint the apartment. You. You and your purple that's right. what were you going to save? Up to what was going to switch gears to. International Podcast Day, which were a few days late it was September thirtieth. which honestly like. The podcast days is such an awesome day because it's it's a day of celebration for all podcasters. No matter. No matter. Your skill capability. It's nice because they have a lot of free seminars that are going on that day twenty four hours of it they have a lot that are paid or you need subscriptions or tickets or whatever for. But. Generally a lot of the steps free and then they also have the podcast awards on the same day and. I'm a little sad that the show that we produce didn't win. Because it did make it to the top ten though. What which show not g Sarah Anne shows the when I worked for. So I was a little well, you got to enter it costs like thirty bucks a show or something. I. Didn't want to put money into it. Knowing that we weren't GonNa make it right and I'm not saying that I don't like our product here on juicier and I just don't think it's. Up to par with some of the ones that are running in that. Race. So. That's what next year for we've got. Upper game. Eight upper game man. So if we do that, then I will enter them in and then hopefully they win and if they don't we're going to. Hunt them down and make them give us a trophy. So. So yeah. It's it's a cool day though I i. like the fact that they spend the entire time focusing on. The. The various aspects of podcasting and the educational aspect of it and I am a member of the. Podcasters Association. which allows me to get some behind the scenes things and enter our stuff into a voting thing on. Lot of meet and greets with other podcast you're. So it's it's a nice little networking tool and it's It's to help a lot of ways to standardize a lot of things for podcasters. So I wanted to be a part of that so that I Because I have multiple interests in that field. So it makes sense to join it. It does cost money but I feel like that membership is worth dumping into. Absolutely. International Podcast Day. At first I was like Really. I mean I'm very happy that we have day. I'm very happy that people are starting to recognize podcasting as A. Quote Unquote Legitimate Audio Medium and I know they're in video podcasts out there. Even, though I have screen on screen within screener picture in picture whatever you want to stay in your phone, I'd rather just sit here and listen on spotify and play a game or whatever. Instead of having to watch somebody I. Am all about the Audio podcast I have never about the video podcast whether it's people I follow or whatever absolutely happy doing their content, and that's great. I want an audio version because video is just way too much for me. A couple of different thoughts on that in. That's. For instance, the video portion. Of the the ones that do video, for instance, have some kind of a background in television. And I say that because Lille, the poor twit DOT TV. Is a huge inspiration for some ideas of things. The blaze does it. That's place I used to work at one point. They've all got their different aspects and things work and things that don't and. I like to some degree because it's like watching a show however. They can also be watched or listened to as a podcast and. I find myself anyway, I don't. Like twitter I might watch. Because I wanNA see some of the visuals that go along with it or I'm interested in their studio build or certain things like that. So there's multiple reasons. I. Pay attention to the video portions of those but. I'm primarily someone who likes the audio portion just because I can listen to it on my phone. I clean the church I can. Listen to it on my computer while I'm doing regular work I don't necessarily have to pay any attention to it whatsoever and honestly. The time like everybody's on zoom anymore, which is completely boring. I'm like, I'm enough zoom meetings I. Don't Really WanNa be on zoom meeting to watch a podcast so. In that instance, like I just don't have any love for for watching it I'm not saying that they don't have a time in a place like. They do the voice acting video show. Via was weekly OBE US weekly. Now them it's different because you could see the voice you get to see some of the mannerisms you could see. Some of the things are kind of talking about and it's Kinda like a bunch of friends sitting on a couch. So in that instance, like I enjoyed that aspect but. I think video podcast thing even for listening purposes. I think that it's a lot of the younger generation they like to have youtube playing in the background, and so they'll put it on a playlist in kind of have things going. On that and I've heard on multiple occasions from different sources that they enjoy watching or listening to it on Youtube which I don't fully understand. Watching it on, Youtube? So you can listen to it. Because it uses like a partial video bandwidth. It's not even. Know if you use youtube music. It's different because they allow like if you pay for it. You can listen to any video that's on Youtube. The visual. Right, like it takes away you have the option to turn off the video part and just go with the poster. Yeah. Yeah. Have the the audio behind it it it becomes an audio thing instead of a video thing because I was doing that with a lot of my music playlist that I had built on Youtube and I was able to play the audio without the video portion on my phone. So, it wouldn't eat up a bunch of bandwidth and so. So I get it from that perspective too. But if you're going to listen to podcast, you might as well use something like spotify or Google podcasts that are automatically going to do. Yeah because if I'm on Youtube. I am watch I'm I'm physically watching something. Yeah. I'm physically watching a video like. Honest trailers the boys. Okay. Share whatever. Not sure. Whatever about honest trailers but the boys apparently is a new show that's getting a lot of whatever attention or. Whatever you know what I mean like I'm I'm on Youtube to watch a video if I, you know what I mean. I'm not there to listen to things. That's what spotify and other things therefore. So. You know. The. You know. Most people know that either here this show or any other show I've done in the last Almost. Year. I kind of retired from podcasting. Kinda sorta not really but kind of. because I had to put my computer and storage. When we came out here for we came out to Washington state from Illinois Last almost year has killed. At the end of Twenty nineteen I was on such a high of getting things done of recording and getting podcast on Gary getting everything set up for the. New Year and whatever else and then we came out here which it's not. It wasn't a mistake that we came out. It was just a mistake that I left my computer back in Illinois the time. So I haven't been really. podcasting the way I would for those that are listening, that may not be a regular listener. That don't know. The Way I've always approached podcasting is I. Work Might Azoff from January first to October thirty first. On Halloween slow in on November I. I take. Two months off for holidays because most everybody else. At the time when I started I was single everybody else's either married or had kids or whatever. Obviously I'm married now in Luckily Karen. Supports me in the podcasting thing and everything else. So you know it's one of those things where it doesn't really matter now. But back, then I was doing the thing of Oh. I'M GONNA work. You know nine ten months out of the year on all this stuff, and then I'll take a two month break in cut back and we'll do a couple of little episodes the holiday type episodes here and there But it wasn't much well because of having the computer in storage and all of that. I kinda. Got Into A, podcast funk because I'm not doing what I would normally like right now. It's October Third Tober fourth twenty twenty. I would have had close to. Between multiple shows in all the shows that I do, I'd probably say I would have had close to about four hundred podcasts log for this. For this year at this point. One. Well. You probably would. Yeah. and I probably would have more done to fight didn't have to. edit. It's it. Honestly it's not a big deal to me to record them sometimes sometimes, it takes a few days longer sometimes I'll forget about show for a week and then I'll finally get around to it. I'm like, Oh yeah I had a show that I did. I may even have one that happen like that. For future imperfect. I don't remember I might still have not added one yet. I'm not entirely sure though I'll have to check. Yet but I mean you know I know yeah. Hire her. Say They. Yeah PUNK. So anyways. Yeah. I mean it'll take me a few days sometimes to edit them. Do the ATF one. Yeah I think I did that one. Last week anyways. Yeah I don't mind sometimes but I I feel like a lot of the time. So backlogged with things that I just I kind of let them sit and I'm like I just WanNa, play a game right now or I just want to watch something or a right and the thing that I'm doing, but it's it's honestly like I. I would much rather do anything else. But at at this point, but I know that needs to get done at some point to go on there. So I I ended up getting around to it. It's just I I. Forget. Yeah. So my thing because like I said Multiple Times at this point that my computer has been in storage since December of last year of Twenty nineteen. I haven't been doing my normal production. Obviously, all the editing has come to you. I've even had to ask other people that have had me the I've had on the pullback to edit for me and I. Ate that. When I asked John and Maggie Schaffer Hames own when I said Hey I'd love to have you on for the pull bag and talking about how you got into comics and how you get your podcast started and everything else. Oh, by the way I'm on a phone is there any chance you could edit this first? John? I'm sure he looked at his phone like what the fuck is. This guy thinking. You know kind of thing in sorry you're getting an explicit Dag. But it's one of those things where he's like. I said, well, it doesn't have to actually be done until like nine. So, record on whatever they were GONNA record I wouldn't need it until which. Luckily when we had the conversation, I explained the situation to him. He was really cool about it and it but basically, I owe a lot of people favors when I get my computer back, which actually is the whole point of even saying all of this is that. I. Generally don't tell my dad bad news 'cause bad news kind of follows me so. I really don't. I talked to him and I, don't talk to him because I don't. I don't feel like if I don't have anything good to report or good to say then why waste is time because he worked so our. and. He called me one day because we had the fires out here in in Portland Oregon. Down in California things like that. And just to check in and make sure we're all right and we were because up here in Vancouver Washington. We just got all the smoke for the other fires that were down south. And I just broke. I pulled over in some some island, the grocery store and I just broke down and just told him everything. My Dad is the best head I've ever. Ever seen because the man. Basically is helping me get everything set with storage stuff with getting our furniture with getting the computer. So hopefully, by Halloween, I will be back up and running. And I know this is unrealistic and it probably won't happen because it's coming up on holiday season even though this is twenty twenty and Covid nineteen and. that. But. I've had eight or nine months off of not doing anything. I'm going to be podcasting AZOFF so the next three and a half four months. Catching up getting things done getting show's finished. All of that sort because I haven't been able to do it and it's Just. Driving me crazy. There would be a fun shirt. What. P. M. A. O.. PODCASTING my ass off. Yes. I'm thinking about actually making that shirt at this point now because I think it's funny. You know what you do. You Take my you take TV's Mr. Neal's drawing of me not the full size full-body one, the other one take. Off. My shirt and put the. PODCASTING my ass off on the shirt and on my shirt in the image and then boom. There you go. There's a teacher designed. Be. Stuff folks. Do it now it now. See I am very excited in my time off of not producing and everything else. I've actually got gotten back to listening to podcasts. And I've made a whole bunch of new connections and a whole bunch new friends from listening to their shows And I'm going to name drop them all. So the I've known about this show for a while but Charles Jeremy Daryl in their guests over on the transmissions transformers podcast. I've not about Charles in them for years now because I know through Lady Wreck, Aka Amy. Obviously DJ and Matt from simplistic reviews like I mentioned earlier John and Maggie they do married with comics and they also do the rod is them going through the Eddie W face to transformers books I just found this one recently the. It's it's a mouthful, but it really isn't The Comic Book Couples Counseling Podcast. Basically, what these lovely people do, this is Brad and Lisa Gullickson. They take a comic book couple and they. Quote, Unquote, Mary it with A. Self help book and see if they can apply it to their marriage. Like what they learn from the characters and from the lessons in like the first one the first four episodes are Scott, Gene Scott Summers, and Jean Grey. And they used Gary Chapman's five love languages. It's The most interesting comic book. PODCAST, I've heard. It's certainly different concept. It's a very different concept in a very interesting concept also, very heavy. But. They make it fun and they are fun to listen to I, have listened to the. I seven of their episodes. Yes. I made it through almost the into saga volume three. So that was episode seven for them. So I've been listening to them recently On a part time nerds fulltime Dad's, which is Mike Laid Crisp Lonski. that's fun. I've mentioned that to you. Several Times you listen to lab that's fun little parenting, Geek podcasts, music talks with Terry Smith, which I was on his show. basically his premises. Pick a song for each decade of your life and tell tell him why those songs means so much to you. So that's kind of cool. DC Comics News podcasts is got a bunch of people. I've been listening to several different episodes of Michael. Rosenbaum's inside of you. He has a Kevin Conroy episode that you should listen to. he's also had The other, the the Superman, the him it. Rented Ralph Tom Cavanagh He said Tom Welling on a couple of times. He's he's got justin long on episode he had grant Guston on a road. Really, really fun conversations and very, very interesting. So Yeah I've been listening. In. In. Gathering. Information, from all of these these podcasts. superheroes Sinophile, which is my buddy Derek Ferguson and my new buddy. Parrott Constantine. They do superhero movie reviews. so very cool You know just been listening and seeing what other people are doing and I haven't done that in lake. When you and I jumped into production on G. Crn in all the shows we've done over the years. I went full blast into production like I wasn't really listening to podcasts. The time because I was bruising twenty or thirty shows a week. and. Now that I've had the last nine, ten eleven almost a year you know months almost a year off from not doing anything like, Oh, I need something to do. Oh I, remember I used to love listening to podcasts what are those things again? Their. Audio things that are really really fun to listen to to fill with your ear holes to fill your ear holes with why would you feel your your? WHO's with audio? So. Yeah. I mean it's just been fun fun thing. To to go back to and with international podcast a few days few weeks whatever however the how long it's been on our own anymore. I forget which episode it is. But one of the and I've mentioned this show multiple times on the air in the past earth to dot net the show I forget which episode is in trying to find it here. it was there It was one of their episodes Oh it was a episode eleven hundred. it was It was them going through the marvel cinematic? Universe. Talking about each one of the they were doing kind of a countdown saying with it like where the film's in account countdown kind of thing. And I've been earth to dot net the show and Michael Simms in the the content that he and his cohorts have created over there earth dash the number two dot net. Is Been It was one of the first podcast besides twig that I said this week that I listened to. And they showed me my love for long podcast because sometimes they would do two, three, four, five hour. Now, I know a lot of people don't like the long podcast and that's fine How long does it? Hold on. I know people don't like the long shows and that's fine. I haven't actually listened to I've listened to some of the. Content, but I haven't listened to it on a regular basis over the years recently. episode eleven hundred is five hours change. And I'm like Ooh I I had this whole twitter that are only do. Episode Eleven Hundred Marvel Cinematic Universe? Yes. Yes. Yes. And one of the hosts Iain Wilson is like it's a long one mate because he's British and I'm like. Yeah. So don't you you're talking to? Because I will listen to along I have nothing but time I don't. Sadly, I can't do a real job. Anymore So I have nothing but time. So I'm like five hours. That's nothing. Not, for. Me Anyway for other people, it probably is I. I don't listen to podcasts that long. Drive me, nuts. I barely listened to a thirty minute podcast, which is funny that I record longer than a thirty minute podcast. Yes. Well, for me, it's like, okay, it's five hours. I can sit here and play games on my phone and listen or whatever. In that I can stop and go do something else and like I can come back again it's undermanned content I don't have to spend all I can spend two hours. And then stop at a certain point and come back to it the next day. So it's very rare that I don't even think I listen to all five hours all at once this time either I think I listened to like three or four. And then finished it up the next day or something like that. I don't remember how I did it but. The point is is. When I first started listening to podcasts and I found podcasters at the time back in two, thousand, seventeen, thousand and eight before I started actually producing content is that I found people that were doing the long form. Multiple our shows and I really enjoyed that. It's not for everybody. Hello Wow Oh. Wow, com to. Altered Geek. So I would say that energy drink works great. Before we started I, I was like I'm thinking about blowing off the episode again tonight. And then I drink it within five minutes I started getting energy and now I'm like motormouth. I'm also like jittery because there's Stuff in. Yoga. I mean besides the fact they put carbonated water and then the second ingredients high-fructose Corn Syrup, which is nothing new but they put. Gerona extract vitamins B Three B six Caffeine, but for the crab. Is probably not healthy for you at all but. I feel wired so. Going to accomplish a bunch tonight. Yeah. I've got a bunch of writing stuff I gotta catch up onto. Among other so And So. I had some other news e type stuff. Okay Let me see. Let me see me to see. Some of the stuff is a little bit older at this point I think but. Having covered some of the Hasbro or some of the Hasbro Stephanie TTF. Why why no find articles Oh Yeah. Did you see MGM is developing a Robocop Prequel series that focuses on a young Dick Jones No This is the thing that boggles my mind. Why are they all making prequel series two things first people nobody care about Like what are you going to add to the mythos late I. Mean Again I kinda get it but I mean it's like making an Alfred Show and then saying Oh we're going to meet the Wayne's when they're young before they die. It's like, Oh, thanks you know like just I don't know I find it find a problem with like I just don't like when they go that route in they're trying to. They're trying to play this card of allow we're going to do something original within the franchise when we do that, it's creating this new dynamic in the background and it's like no nobody cares. And I guess like I kinda sound like a Dick there too because there's there is somebody that posted something about like. Just, because you put nobody cares doesn't mean that nobody cares it just means you don't care and it's like well yeah that's pretty much true but it it will. It will see how long it lasts. Once it hits television. I think there is. Now this may be just a short mini series comic mini series or a long form trade paperback kind of thing or something. I. Think there is something to the story of. Thomas and Martha before. Like I know, but there's not really covering that they're covering its Elfriede know I know I understand that I get that I get that I'm saying though the whole thing about Thomas and Martha in doing a Prequel and you saying Oh but they die at the end will that's kind of the point because I don't know lately I've Kinda wanted to see a Thomas Wayne in Martha Wayne. Creek will thing. I honestly do the the prequel sequel thing at this point with like. Dumb, and dumber to should have been a comic book not a movie. OR A. DVD. You whatever. Did you see? that. Tim Allen. Are Reuniting. Yes. In the in in assembly required. This this is like. The fact that they are doing reality TV together. But to like those two were like an interesting dynamic, anyway, I will pretty much watch anything with Tim Allen in it so. So for me, that's like a that's like game on 'cause I watch you know the Property Brothers Watch Shark tank watch some shows like that. I like some competition stuff too but. But no. To see them do something where they're basically inventing a better mouse trap for things you know doing innovation of just whatever the task is. One it's a learning tool to. Could have Tim Melanin Richard Karn telling you. Yeah. That's a great idea. I know that sucks. It's I mean it's it's really cool. I'm excited for it. I think it's funny to in their Promo image they had the home improvement car. With them. that he spent the series fixing up but. I'm very excited for that series I will watch it for sure. There's no date yet but it's expected to premiere on History Channel in twenty twenty one at some point. which. Again, game on. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I will. I will definitely watch it. This article came out about a week ago and it says. It was on the verge and honestly I think. It's true. Says Disney's remakes aren't good because they don't need to be oddities that still manage to turn out money. says. His blockbuster movies don't get much stranger than the Disney. Live action remake. Says there's been at least one new film every year culminating in two, thousand, nine, hundred with a staggering four live action remakes of animated classics. It's. Yet. So You can watch just about all of them now. Thanks to Disney must. But They're really weird because they adapt parts of those movies basically reuse the same script from the original writers and just rehashes alive action thing because you know they own it. Why not? Play printing, money. So I don't know. There's movies that I think that they should never touch in they do it anyway, but you know. It, kind of. I get it from a certain perspective that they have the technology to do it now. But on the other hand it. You know like the Lion King for instance. It looks Nice. but it didn't need happen. None of them really needed to happen lake they kind of fizzled out like you hear about them when they're fresh and they're coming out and you see the preview stuff and then after that, they just disappear into the wind. so I don't know I. I've watched some of the remakes. So I can legitimately talk crap about them. So I've given them all a shot I've watched them. I don't particularly care for the live action model. With, a lot of their films when they switch them from animated live action like I feel like it ruins the magic of it. I'm not saying it ruins my childhood because it's totally different like they're they're giving. This is some new kids childhood. I? Just I don't. I. Don't see the necessity in it of rehashing something verbatim of what came out before just in a different visual format. Like it's one thing that they were making a sequel to like you know we're GONNA make the lion king four and it's like, okay well, you animating it. Yes. Okay. Well, fine. You know you're making a lion king four. You're not using the same script US thirty years ago and rehashing it as a new movie. like. I don't know the Milan thing I like I can't speak on them. I, don't watch them. I will not watch any of the live action remakes have no interest in them. Do what I've stopped after Aladdin. I did enjoy that because we'll smith like he's like I guess to begin with he was apprehensive of taking on the role of the genie. because he didn't want to step on the legacy Robin Williams created and I had so much respect for him just for saying that. Right, because he was like man hundred, how do you tap Robin Williams he's like you can't and so they told them just do your own thing with it, and so he kinda taps some of that wildness from like fresh prince in Robin Williams and kind of had this nice amalgamation than he had going on and honestly like I enjoyed it because will smith was in it, but everybody else was pretty much forgettable. But Will Smith Genie was probably the strongest part their guy played Jaffar was the weakest possible actor they could have gotten. Should've should've put like Jeremy Irons or somebody in there they had like that that menacing Gravitas that that he could bring to the live action role. The guy that got it was such a Dork like he was a we end the show like he was not even he's Kinda sounded a little weasley was is just fire and it just it didn't sound stupid. So I don't know. I I feel like when you've got the animated version, it's perfection and you're trying to emulate live action. And it just GonNa fall short because you're not gonna hit the same notes I mean that's why that's why the lion king they had to go back to James Earl. Jones for Move Fossa Because how are you going to top that? I mean it's still a voice actor. Yup. So. The other day. Longtime podcast person that I used to listen to a long time ago. Steven Molin. He posted a meme on facebook of Thanos with the infinity stones. In it says. He can stop me when I have the infinity. Sto trails off in the bottom part of the MEME is Little John from the animated Disney. Robin Hood Kissing. Prince John's hand pulling the rings off his fingers and then at the Andes yet, the rings in his mouth was king with Sir So I'm like, Oh, I haven't seen Disney's robin a long time. I really love that animated movie. That movie is so frigging good and I completely forgot that the same guy voices Prince John. At the end of the film also voices King, Richard who comes back from the Crusades. I'm like Oh wow I completely forgot about this whole thing but yeah, I just I was laughing my ass off watching that movie the other day. Another thing that happened and very excited for this. At least I am. Cobra Kai season three date announced January eighth twenty twenty one is when season three will premiere on Netflix for Cobra Kai at the end of the video it says season four now in training so. They are. Full. Steam, ahead on. Cobra Kai, very excited for that. Did you see the fact that Rick Moranis got punched in new. York City by by a passer-by I'm like you do not hit Rick Moranis what the hell this is from deadline I saw something about that I didn't actually read the article though I saw somebody hitting Rick Moranis and I wasn't sure if it was with a car fist but. The Internet was in such outrage through. Most recommended as I'm GonNa Whoop your. Ten abso the articles the article from day deadline says, this is the updated version. Actor Rick Moranis was punched in the face by Random passer-by on New York City's upper west side and police said the assailant remained at large Friday this article was written October second of the share. A REP for the sixty seven year old comedy star said in a statement provided to deadline that Miranda's is fine. But grateful for everyone's thoughts and well wishes. Ryan was taking an early morning walk Thursday near his home. when he was struck on central park. West near West Seventy, seventy, th street. The NYPD said, the assailant used a closed fist to punch Miranda's. The video shows the attacker take sudden step toward Miranda's and delivering the Punch before resuming. Basically walking away kind of thing. I. Don't hit Rick Moranis you don't. Really? seriously. Funny that's not. Funny at all. Yeah. How Daddy lead? US? House in Captain Clown after you. And I will to Yeah I. Don't know you people are just losing their mind anymore. I mean there people are screaming things like I have and I'm gonNA keep this as anonymous as possible but I happen to know somebody who was talking to somebody. About. Things of Covid and government and other things and I'm not going to say what our I'm not going to do much into it but. Their family and. Their family. And the venom coming from one side even though the other side is completely Understanding On, both sides of the spectrum and it's just voicing their opinion. But not disregarding the other person's thoughts and opinion. was. Basically like yelled at for having an opinion that was different from their's. And then they just refuse to talk to them or avoid them like afterwards even though the first person is like I didn't say anything wrong I was just I was agreeing on certain points, but they were trying to shove words in their mouth and it's like people are so spiteful and hateful anymore it's not even funny like. And I think that's kind of why I don't like personally go after you know shows I don't like anymore just I say, yeah. I don't really care for it and then just of move on because honestly I'm not going to give the time of day to it and I'm not going to crap on somebody else's franchise. It's everybody likes what they like. You know I like beast wars of had an argument with some guy on facebook last week. About that and I don't remember did. I read that on the podcast or did I just read that he's Solo? I don't remember but I know what that was because. I think you're that to me. So low I think I don't remember. Details solitude because I I had fun screwing with the guy afterward because. I was this is after we were off the air. For instance like I'm going to bring this up because it kind of ties into this too like. When someone feels that their opinion is more important than someone else's. It's dangerous thought process now is destructive, but it's also like hurtful to the other person. I say that because. I. Feel like as fans we can kind of understand that a little bit more because people are constantly attacking things we enjoy. And we're all guilty of attacking somebody. Else's thing that they enjoy. It's just happens. But I feel like it's on a grander scale like a grander audience now, which is rather unfortunate because. It's splitting families. It's splitting friends like there's no option to agree to disagree or to just drop it and just be done with it. It's always somebody has to win in somebody's like well, your opinion sucks because you're wrong. Or you don't live in modern reality. And I'll get to that too. So what had happened is there's transformers facebook group. Called Transformers Til all are one where fans and talent come together. Okay. We know some of the people that run it. Because they've been in the franchise for a long time. So anyway, somebody posted the new Titan figure. Kingdom character poster. And so it's not like primal. It's got mega. Galvastan it's got a razor Prime Ultra Magnus cheater Ryan ox people that probably may or may not be in the season. So. Some people are talking about you know what's certain things look like some of the characters that showed up that won't a part of it. and. You know somebody else puts transformer circus opening its gates near you. So I'm trying to find the exact quote. Somebody, says you know. A.. G. A beast words shouldn't be mixed. It just ruined Jiwan immediately. And this guy was just his I'm just GonNa name him because he's total deuce back on the post Bob Contagion he's he's. Weird name to begin with like I don't know anyway. So the next person down the line goes. And he's associated with something like he's I dunno does visual storytelling. Stuff is a massive view on Fan, but you have to admit the line needed something new just redoing g one characters was getting boring. I'm looking forward to joining the mix again in having fun mixes on the shelves and so this Guy Puts said face on it. Because he was just upset about it I says I'm looking forward to the fact that this is basically season for beast wars in the sense that they planned to have g wanted beast cast crossover and fight together. So it's almost getting that aspect and then changes Santo goes well. And You know we're laughing about it, and then that Bob Contagion goes it's gonNA literally become crap about two and this other person puts alternate universe and he says, no, it's like this. I. Like my g one but has were has to go and crap on it and going to contaminate with animal. Guano you're a B. Fan which is not be fan it's BE W. I mean I don't know where young that'd be beast era well. WTN Hair you know anyways. Yeah. Get Your acronyms, right. European fan. That's fine. No, no worries. Enjoy your line but keep it away from my so far period you online and show G. One is g one eastwards beast words no matter how much beast wars fans save courtesy one no, it's flipping not keep it for yourselves and then. Dude like so then he jumps in which everybody knows Benny like he's been in the transformers franchise forever he was a consultant I beast wars. his character characters literally appeared in beast wars and we're critical murder the continuity since almost the beginning of the series, the two are tied in the same ways that Star Trek and star trek deep space nine are two very different shows that exist in a shared universe that was always the intention with the writers worked on the series. If you do not enjoy the aesthetics of the beast or era toys, then don't buy them. There are plenty of. G. One eighty s era base toys in line free to enjoy the existence of say new optimus primal toy should have no berry and how much you enjoy the new tracks toy I think kingdom is wonderful in that sense. It offers a diverse selection of toys and products for fans to enjoy and offers a different visual dynamic in the line that what we have had for the past two years, and then this guy not letting it go down goes. Do Ji won fans would have deserved a line show that finally pure g one not clipped together crap like everything else before wife for cyber. Tron. Before your in from your end beast wars, it may look like considered eastwards as part of the G one continuum but most fans don't approve eastwards as part of g one continuity and that you guys should understand which is funny because she one fans accepted as part of the franchise just having denial issues. You can, and then he goes on to say we don't hate you what you love beasts words isn't that bad but it's not g one and we don't want the two to be mixed. That's all you should get your own sequel whatever you guys want but that shouldn't be part of ours I. think that's a fair demand and I just kept putting laughing stuff on every time. He knows it's something and Ben Egos Dude I worked on the show I was in daily contact with the writers I know beast was meant to be. Part of G. One, it was always meant to be the history of the show. You can deny that reality all you want it does not make it less true. They're they're flipping descendants. I know it was said in it's no different than star trek in that sense and that's what Ben USA across this guy's like. Just, you just keep pushing the conned reality in quotes from your viewpoint but in retrospect you can say, right add whatever you want. The fact is g wanted gee when a beast were built upon it and not everyone considers that later edition desired part of G. One because it's a completely different thing different product from a different era. And then he tags me because every time he wrote something I've put He goes nuts sure what you find. Funny. Mate would you care to express yourself? And I was like well then and I just crack my hands and I'm like, let's do this and. Ben Ye liked what I wrote. So I put I find it funny. You're literally arguing that you're a purist in that heaven forbid it's mixed go watch G. One if that's your thing honestly we've been getting various Jiwan era Rut cons over and again prime was one rid to twenty fifteen was. Cyber verse. Also the failture arguing with Benson yee a fan in someone who helped work on this show about the continuity and the fact that you personally disliked the mixing of generations is laughable to me. He's been a definitive resource on the program. It has nothing to do with his quote. Unquote reality is simply is reality whatever you like whether you like it or not. It's first and foremost a toy line the story that comes along with it always is secondary to sell the toys by mixing the two. It's adding another dynamic I'm a beast wars fan quote beast B., w. b. e. Fan, and enjoy both but one headmasters, beast wars and beast machines are one universe rid twenty, two, thousand one is different mixed them Ukraine trilogy mix some to animated mix some but every series literally revolves around G. One to take offense to it being mixed instead of a love letter to the fans is humorous in of itself because honestly g one would've died transformers is a franchise would have died without these stores. And so And then. His previous comment is deleted somewhere. He put. He, that's funny. He deleted. I screen shot at everything. He puts okay. boomer and I'm like, Oh my God, you're not even old enough no and. boomer and I'm like. Hello, really. That's your response. Pretty Lazy on your behalf. I wasn't even name calling you but to each their own at least I can appreciate the variety that beast were or that transformers had by the way not a boomer and then I quoted. took the definition of it. I put. Okay. boomer is a catchphrase than meam used by teenagers and young adults to dismiss remark outdated attitudes typically associated with people born in the two decades following World War Two known as baby boomers I says I'm betting I'm not much different age than you I'm early millennial for what it's worth. And then I tagged FDA to San, Jose don't worry all but bob here is looking forward to the storyline. and. So so bob goes I'm tired of arguing with so much subjectivity. That's the reason there's no logic and what you're trying to sell only biased preference I will always enter such arguments and I the only person being biased and subjective as you buddy we're all okay. Yeah. Yeah, we're all okay and like. You're fighting like watching like. Is this like this guy is like just off his rocker I was just having fun just like very politely responding. With facts and the guy says like off his rocker like everywhere and I'm just like, okay. Like how far is conversation at ago? I did report him to the the. Admins of the group as like I says. It's not a problem right now but isis the for the fact that the guys hardcore hating and beast wars in hacking everyone's viewpoint on it. In the post says, you might want to watch him or warned him because I could see him being a problem. And so they're like, okay we'll. We'll keep an eye on on thanks for you know report him. So I was like I just contacted candice I was like hey? Let's just say no. I'm not trying to pick a fight isis. I'm just trying to let you know that the guys just being a pain. So he stopped posting after that and I was like, okay, we're good. So I left conversation after that I'm still in it but I meant like I stopped boasting but I you stop posting i. Come on dude like he's literally like crapping on beast wars every time somebody said something. And then he's like he couldn't stand that I wrote I put ha ha face on everything. He did he did it to me I was like, okay like it doesn't hurt me it's still a stupid emoji. Like. I don't know like I, just take it for what it's worth like I don't I don't really care. It's just. People, are only argumentative over stuff anymore, and I'm not saying I didn't argue with them. I just did it using facts he resorted to name calling because he couldn't. See. What you did is not arguing to me what you did is presented facts and you know you were trying to get him to understand that. Everyone besides him. Is actually looking forward to this new time travel whatever it's to be in. Cyber Tandem. Here's the thing K. I only knew or found out about this group group rope while. Group because I saw F J post the trailer for earth rise in it. I. Would have never known about this group if I had not seen his post that he felt like he had posted on his time lately you know it's like, Oh, F the Santos Arrow transformers. To lawler one where fans and creators come whatever it is. You know if he if I didn't see that, I probably never would have found out about this. This is the number. One reason why eight groups on facebook because you run into people like this that want to ruin it for everyone and I don't join groups small. It almost reminds me of the debut forums. Absolutely because like I, I dropped off the face of the earth on those a long time ago because they were so venomous. Yup Not. Allowed to have an opinion or thought. Yup Absolutely and here's the thing. Like I'm in the groups that I'm in because I know that it's like minded people like me who can you know have a conversation yet yell at each other and scream at the top of their lungs when they don't get their way of what they're trying to say kinda thing I was like I almost left the group because of another post and I saw that one somebody was their mouths flashing yet. This was the first post I saw after joining this transformer group on facebook. Some youtuber named Proto man is showing off the SS eighty six hunt Rod without giving the original poster credits. It's a news article. Yeah. So yeah, I. So okay. So first of all, some youtuber named Kroto man, he's been in a franchise like he runs t.f Con-. Like he's one of those people. Exactly. This is one of the guys that runs the F.. How do you not know it's click I met him in person at T.f Con- like he's a super intelligent dude. I met him in person at twenty sixteen at. The very last by con they had where they were before. They went away for a while coming back next year for. The very last five con was Louisville. Kentucky at four street live at one of our other convention center but basically the Stan. Bush. Concert that Friday night April eight. twenty sixteen because lady wreck. Came out and actually Joe read from off the cuff hours in our Danner for Michigan. And permanent was there too I also I mean obviously. A recognized went together because she was coming in and whatever else kind of thing that she was the first. When we got there we ran into Joe ran into or mentally hey. I actually met. In person frigging cool. and. This dude is like Sung Youtuber Blah Blah Blah is giving credit will first of all it actually. Freeman actually released a video about this. He's not going to give credit to the person that originally took that because. That person is feeling about from the overseas companies in order to get like. Heffernan, give him back to route Tonton I believe is the resigned I don't know. Tennis. So why would he vermont wanted to talk about the as as as Hot Rod? UTAH. Spend boy like. You know and. That's all he was doing never said where they just came late. He said they came for Youtube or something I forget what he said but. He just wanted to talk about the fact disfigures. And then all of a sudden this guy in this group this likes. Buller Wa. So I wasn't sure if if out for a man. Is Personal A. was on any of us or not. So I tell Ya. Message count tobacco. Asset ferment is actually a buddy of mine ball. And then I finally tagged his early Ban a slow pitch. And like ten minutes later. Under his personal messages base like, oh. Yeah. Thanks what we own the. Brand new just look out for the rest of because. People are just. evil. Some Yeah well, it's all right I was on because I'm on the all sparks. DISCHORD page. Mung among the other one that I do the writing story thing for and. They were bashing optimus. On on their recently like. Somebody in particular is like attacking him for. Something something. It was something stupid like they just. It's these new fans that come into the franchise and have no idea who the old guard are. and. So they just they kind of just her like Oh this guy he's he's ill-informed no this and he's he's doing this and I'm like. He's been in the franchise for a lot longer you. Nicest plus he's reviewed everything. They're they're eating their own. Now at this point, they're attacking each other for you know who they don't like review from. Like it's it's. It's so stupid this stuff that we fans fight over. Instead of that Wilson Collectively Lake rejoicing in the fact that we have the franchise like I don't like it the new star Trek Shows I personally do not like the new shows I find them too dark or too stupid in this in one sense like discoveries too dark, and honestly like a lot of the characters are boring, they're trying to shoehorn stuff and picard I feel like they ruined his character. The kind Kinda neutered him like he did a one eighty from when he was in and and I feel like it, it doesn't even fit his persona and the rest of the show. It's like shoehorned relationships with certain characters that. Honestly have no business being there because they don't even relate. So in that instance like I feel like some of those shows you lazy writing. And lower deck's I. It's like, Rick and Morty and space was star. Trek and. Honestly out of the three, that's the best one which is not saying much but. I A whole like I I'm. I'm happy that they have new shows because it means we'll get the captain pike show. It means that the franchise keeps going and yes for a time I will disliked the shows. But. There will be new ones and there'll be another generation at some point than I do like the shows. or in retrospect like I'd hated deep space nine, voyager and enterprise. When I was when it was in the early two, thousands could not stand watching them. and. I've gone back to them ten fifteen years later and I can sit and watch him and I love him. So I mean, it's it's a different level of perspective based on where you are in life for one but the other thing is is like. You may not like it now you may later you may not like it at all. You may not like it ever, and but the thing is, is they're always going to make more. So. Eventually you wait long enough like I mean kingdom with transformers. I'm getting beast wars. I'm getting a second wave of beast wars in a different fashion. And I'm ecstatic for the only thing I'll be kind of done the dumps if they don't match voicing. Because I know that they're getting they're doing union actors doing nonunion actors. So that means that they cannot use the original cast and so in that regard. I'll be a little upset if they don't sound the same. So. Yeah Yeah so Some dude. I don't even know who the dude is but I know Paul talked about him recently. Apparently. After bottomless is so popular he has his own. I hate off the bottom bottomless fan group on facebook and I'm like able have nothing better to do than drag. My friend. Data Lake. And it's a public group. I'm like looking at all this crap I'm like really seriously, and sadly Paul has reported the group Facebook, but apparently, it doesn't go against their. Their Guidelines. Is Just Baloney. Baloney because see they pick and choose because like you can. You can say whatever you want about certain people. Than other people you can't. So okay. So I'm in the the official Blackstone Cherry Fan Group on Facebook, which were all about you know peace in love and everything else just like the band is. So it's a rock band for people that don't know. Blackstone Cherry. and. I said something about Oh maybe you should listen to. And the title of their song which one of their title of their hit songs is. Trash millionaire. This was during the time facebook was reporting everybody on on the stupidest things. I can call the person I replied to like trash. It's the name of white trash. Millionaire is the name of a song. I wasn't calling the person like trash and I got banned from facebook for twenty four hours because I said white trash. FACEBOOK in the Internet in my phone. No, I am white. Cake. God Fake News. Yeah really. I don't know I it social. Broken It. Honestly is there's just I don't know. Anyway, so the other thing before we get out air because I wanted to bring this up a little while ago, Celeste thing I'll bring up I find this absolutely hilarious fighting, find it. Now it's all the way down here So facebook. Removes things and ads things and does whatever. So for the longest time on facebook, they had a listing onto your profile of for professional skills like if you were a professional woodworker or if you're professional musician or if you are a professional podcast. I always said professional skills. You added mind was sarcasm. I get this notice in lately I've been getting it every day and I just have to dismiss it. Professional Skills are going away soon, Mike, we want to let you know that professional skills that you added to your profile will be removed from facebook on November fifth you'll be able to access and download this infant anytime before it's no longer available. I'm like, why are you removing this I don't even were like it. I don't understand I just don't understand. I don't know. It's it's it's mind boggling. The Internet's the stupid. Did it. But bomb but a book. Yeah I. Don't know. It's just it's. Some of the stuff now is just so mind boggling stupid like it's just hard to fathom. Yeah want you to know. I'll send this to you after the show, but I want you to link in the show notes the episode I did with With Tom Dj last year it was DC. Are I think ninety, four, ninety, four, point five or something or I'll pull it up after the show but. He wrote this thing called the modern phantom manifesto on his on his blog. And it's basically like simple rules of how to be civil with each other and still be fans kind of thing. So we kind of go through this on the podcast and we discuss each several of these things that he's talking about in in this on pause. And I'm like all of this is common sense to me like all of this is like you know like don't attack creators on on social media ask them questions cordial whatever but don't sit there and say, Oh, I hate what you did and I'm going to. Just, go off on you or whatever saying. It's. Common Sense is gone out the window. Yup. It's been gone, but it's gone. Anyway I, think we've run this train wreck into the ground. It's been a combination of all things, transformers and headshot, and I don't even know what this episode isn't anymore. Remember the sure either. It's a good thing I I. Potentially titled. The. Draft podcast machines bring their war stories because there's been a lot of war stories tonight cup. Our Scher. Sore sure for sure. Buyers. Might Dick or something I don't know. Man. anyways so until next time? Get altered Geeky with the alter geeks. We hopefully didn't piss anybody off this time.

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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ & Travis (HR 2)

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ & Travis (HR 2)

"Whoa. And he wanted to Michael. Well, yeah, he got different with the black Michael. Did some stuff, not black? Michael. No. Well, that was child. Michael adult. Mike was different. We've at their Chris said, but he started with Mike. We just play the music commentary. It's okay. Oh, but then if they go straight over you would like let it. Very complicated. So I was kind of bummed that, neither one of you guys stay to play golf yesterday thought maybe you might change why. Z or you know have worked to do. Yeah, dummy working day in one of your multiple occupations trying to finish column now the LA times, and I was kind of bummed the fact that she would even think that I would play golf. You should played the goal next year is for key to play one whole just one hole. Did the house? Yes. Play one hole. You don't understand the beat me a what I will be you in golf. You couldn't beat me if I had one guy tied behind my. Okay. You couldn't be all right? Could happen next spring of shootout Chris against could do whatever I wanna put my mind to trust me, you did lose weight for the marquee races. We just heard in that flashback. So you're right. I wish we did you lose for that. Pounds money. Listen, I'm not him. He lost. Twenty still needs to go another sixty. Hey, you know what else these another sixty gentlemen? Angry key is the best six fifty seven. He's sixty one degrees right now. Whittier highest seventy eight today going to warm up. National cognac day and keys. Headline is presented by sprint met one of them. Chris Kaka doodle do Gaca dude. Leuke soda rafters collide Leonard and the big shoe brand Nike. And, or in court over at battle of his logo. So Kawai Leonard has filed a lawsuit against Nike for the claw his logo. He helped design or design himself, and allowed Nike to use it up to twenty eighteen when he switched to new balance, which he's wearing now any wants to be able to utilize that logo. So Nike trying to pull a switcheroo real fast in do the copyrights his back, but it was a little too late. He called him. He's filed suit. So should you be thinking about this doing the championship finals about a logo or should you be concentrating trying to beat the? Warriors. Well, co I seems to me to be a fairly single-minded guy. He doesn't get easily distracted. I mean, by all the other things that we've seen him go through last year, Saturday, entire season, basically, the nonsense surrounding where he's going to play Nike. He seems like he's able to focus on one thing at a time. These local things are interesting when you when you are with a brand shoot company, and you sit down to you sketch out the logo, and you sit down with their guys, you may have your own in at the end of the day, paperwork gets lost in transition, and they claim it, you claim it when you want to use it without them. They say no. But then yet still, it's yours. You own it. Right. It's, it's, it's one of the weirdest things if you remember as we're discussing to why and San Antonio. One of the biggest things that I kept pointing to the fact that his Rettig apparel deal was coming up. Just that is correct. You continue to point to and he wanted to be in a larger market because he felt he should be making. Same amount of money as the top tier guys when it comes to shoe, a pair, so it doesn't surprise me at all that, as he's getting ready to be a free agent that here we are, again, discussing the shoes, discussing the apparel, now, discussing his local Y because that was a factor in him. Not wanting to be in San Antonio. Is this he's agents fault, but it's more about it's more about his personality than it is about anything's any city or anything because if he has a personality, he could play in any city. Or if the creative director behind the marketing is creative enough, they can do campaigns around his non personality, much like we saw Nike. We Penny Hardaway for a while. I mean in in it was successful. So it's not so much that I just think that it's I think it's just that at the end of the day, you don't want people controlling, you know, for sure. And maybe Nike again, like you said about the guys giving money back. He. Owners big corporations, like Nike or not in the business of handing away intellectual property, either. But I would think that when you're going through the process of the logo, or whatever in this, what you pay your agents and your lawyers for to make sure that if and when I leave Nike, I think, with the but but they're doing that. His name is attached to it. Yeah I'm sure he's not the one side. I know but before the in other words, what I'm saying it's the. CBS to go, sue Nike to get his logo back. It should have been written down somewhere when they were negotiated first place. That, that's my logo that if I leave, I'm taking that logo with. Yeah. But if you, but if you have a lawyer, somebody who doesn't catch a word a little simple word it could be. It was win where how in there in that little how changes, everything, little it changed everything? Everything else looks great. It's like, oh yeah, this is cool. This is cool, except that little it that you skipped over. You didn't change his everything changes everything. And then this is situation. You get yourself call there, too. Anybody want a coup why Leonard branded piece of gear? I mean he's just under such an underwhelming personality. Like with the bronze staff, and Katie, and all these guys are James harden, their larger than life inquires just such an under the radar guy guy, but to two keys point, though, penny. Hardaway didn't have a big personality, but the game is what attracted you gain. So even if he may not necessarily be the personality that you want one are argued that he has a personality because if you look at some of his quote, funniest HALE, he's got a Bob. These shoes. He's really you don't want anybody. That's probably true to the bottom of the list. Grown by walking shoes here now. This is fun. That was keys. Headlines day. Listen to ks in Los Angeles back to you. Absolutely. We just signature she, we saw you talking about green song logos and everything. All you weren't here for that. That's right. Oh, he was off again. I mean but I mean he's, he's been in the NFL like since the nineties, I'm just I didn't have to be here last week. Another thing l z milk. What I don't miss that drought. That's what I know. Multiple shoes and actually we relaunched the shoes about three years ago or something like that three or four years ago, we were getting some kicks. I don't doubt got him stacked up in your garage. Locker. Yeah. First of all, you got to come more often work with me to get anything. I will. Sean McVeigh was talking yesterday at Rams, ta the subject of Todd girlies participation or lack thereof, of course was brought up again. And now we've discovered the Todd Gurley is going to try to play about seven or eight pounds lighter than he has the last few seasons. Here's Sean McVay talking about Todd Gurley and trying to cut some weight. Yeah. You know, I mean lighter weight, I you know, we haven't gotten into this. So I think the biggest thing was getting him to where he's feeling good. He's ready to go as far as you know, give and take care. He's always been a guy that has a great command on his, his body weight and takes really good care of himself. So I think the most important thing to say that you wanna put a finite wait on him. I want him to feel most comfortable, and that's the most important thing, what he feels like he can function at be the all purpose back that he's been. And that's that's that's where we're at. So he says, I'd rather play five ten pounds later and he's gonna feel better about that than that's exactly that we'll do. And I think he's earned the right to be able to tell us how he's feeling you know, with a give and take. And as long as he's got a y which I know he does then, you know, we're always receptive to those things should never be able to tell you what you should play it as far as weight. Never. They should never be able to always you doing your job. And you get in you doing it. That's the craziest thing you know, like a player, they ask you how do you feel? I think I'm seventy percent. What seventy percent like what does that mean? Oh, I'm sixty five percents. I'll be back. I think I think I'm ninety percent sure to like, no. In a coach shouldn't tell you what you're playing weight, should be a coach until you, you need to lose weight. No. What if you're doing your job in this officiant in, you feel good about the way you perform at an all time high? Then that's fine. You that's not up to coach McVeigh to decide on what Todd Gurley should be. I don't think that he pulled him into his office a Todd. I think you should be ten pounds lighter. It sounds to me like girly into people around him as trainers, the staff, everybody. They're trying to find a way to make him pain free. And if they think they may be taking a little bit of weight off might help him be a little bit more. Usable. May be the case. Maybe he will feel like his legs or lighter. He can now powered through with his knees lifted a lot higher. All in all sorts of things that may be true. But when you hear coaches say, you know, if he's a little bit lighter fees little bit. Heavier he consorted you know, he'll, he'll be better for this better for that. That's not necessarily true all the time everything we hear athletes, talk and coaches about an athlete's weight all the time. Mean when when Lonzo ball has gone to league, everybody mama say need to put on weight? Get stronger, and there their contracts that have weights relations to them, because you allow them to put that in there because you're fat boys too much three hundred clearly not feel good. You're not playing. You're not playing at the level when you Tippin the scale at a higher. You know what I'm saying? Like you're not playing at an all pro level. You're not playing at an all NBA level. When you're that heavy, so naturally one can look at you say, will he sure looks like he's this drops the way this issue because girlies out of shape. This is a weight issue because Todd Gurley trying to feel better, specifically with his knees. I think that's the most troubling running back agree bay. Lacey lacey. But you can look at Eddie lacy entail that he was hanging out with Chris a lot. And here's what happened. Guy here sprint people's hotline. And Steve Steve, you're on the morning show. What's up? Good morning. I'd wanted to ask you guys mainly keep whether Todd Gurley plays it to fifteen or two five eight my lose some of that power. But if his knees are shot, and he has the more ligament. It's not gonna matter anyways 'cause unfortunately you won't be able to, to play football anymore. I'd rather have Todd Gurley on my team healthy Todd Gurley than anyone else which should the ram started looking in another direction. I know they drafted somebody in the third round, but should they keep their I out and free agents? They need another running back case sums up. Girly only only if they get to training camp in it starts to look a little bleak in the summer with the young guys that they took out a Memphis and some of the other guys that they have on the roster if it, if it changes in, they look at it, and they say, well, you know what we don't like the way things are going with these other guys. Let's take a look and see what's out there that we can grab we still like girly. We still think it September he'll be fine. But we. You need a more of a bet. We need a better insurance policy, who's available look. They a couple of things here. Look to the moves that the Rams made this in was their third round pick, but it was the Rams I Beck, and they spend it on a running back. Okay. So the first player than they decided they're going to take a player. They took a running back. They also resigned, Malcolm Brown this offseason, who is Todd girlies never went back up until he got hurt. And then they had to go get C J Anderson, all of the signs are indicated that they're preparing to do exactly what Steve said they're not saying it, they're not saying that Todd Gurley is, is out with this, ligament or this cartilage or this injury or whatever, no-one said, exactly what this is we all -ssume that it's the knee everything. The Rams have done are telling you that they're taking this very, very seriously. What they're saying is what you've been saying. They're going to say all along key, which is we're fine. We're not missing any football. It's fine. We didn't use the game plan this put everything they've done screams. They're getting ready to have something other than Todd Gurley carry that ball. And it's I think part of the reason why. Why is so perplexing? Because almost like the Lakers. No one's coming out and saying what it is. Right. So because of the vacuum, we're all over the place. Tagro may actually be fine. All right. All right. Talked early may not be as bad as house matters. What's better for me? But because the vacuum is there. We're thinking the worst case scenario if he if he was healthy he'd be out there running around with his teammates. He's not healthy. I mean it's is clear. He just not. He's not he's not healthy right now. And you don't wanna put him out there in harm's way. You want him to certainly get healthy. Get out there and September. I don't need him for training camp. I just need him to do football acclimated things too. So when he does step on the field he is short. Now, mental reps is important watching film study is important. He can see the other players at his position doing the same things that he would do may not be tug really issue. But they still might up in the same spots. They still run the football. They still do all of those sorts of things. He can watch game film, take mental reps, and learn from that I loved this movie is a good movie is one of those, I can just watch kind of over over back in the day, when I was younger thirty one years ago. Big came out. Tom Hanks directed by the great penny Marlow. I don't remember big where he got a thirteen year old boy, got changed into a man and went to work and into the life is in the yes. No. I don't remember har- are. Yeah. That a lady friend, and experienced lives of adult and there's good movie. No wonder is like that. I think this is the first film to grows one hundred million dollars direct about female director. That's specific knowledge and God, blessed it, pinning. Yeah. She she made good mid that moves. Good leader owns a great movie. By the way, gross Elsie that one. Dino. His historic. That look funny. I just trying to remember history. So the Lakers had a two year plan that's going to culminate in a month that the two year plan that magic was talking about. Hey, give me two years. A two year opportunity. This is your one we're going to do LeBron. And we're gonna go don't forget to you're still years, two years. He said it when key when you had your one on one conversation with them, several months back, he said, look, we're back now we're going to be back back back back back in two years. Well, that two years is basically up in a month when free agency opens. And you wonder if they've hit the reset button because of all the changes that they've gone through they've got a new head coach. They've got they've got what's the best word turmoil in the front office, or at least they had they had turmoil in the front office. Magic quits abruptly stepped down. There's a whole bunch of things that are just a mess in the lake is the reset button hidden. In other words, is it not a two year plan, we're basically starting from scratch, but the scratches a better spot because you have LeBron James, you have some young players, but. This isn't a you have to get everything done right now. Because this is the end of the two year window that you put on yourself two years. I think you do still have to get it done. Because one caveat all of this is the Ron James, and if, if you don't take care of business, then you certainly put yourself wasted another two to three years. If you don't acquire somebody pair with the Braun to get to the autumn goal, which was get to a championship when you first sign a Brown two years ago, you can't all of a sudden say, well, we got the Brown with panel. Bunch of money. Doesn't matter what us your signed players. We'll get there for years when a brand decides wanna play basketball anymore. That's too late. You wanna go out and you want to be active. That's why you cleared up to them. That's the scary part, the Lakers go out and they can pitch and they can sell they can recruit and do everything they want, but short of Anthony Davis who's available via trade. The rest of these guys are free agents. They can decide to go where they want the Lakers. Could do everything exactly the way that they want to strike out. Yeah. Which is why is good. When you. Look at that franchise, you all the fees they can't control you can't control who's gonna sign with you. You can't control who you can trade for because you need a partner, that's going to be willing to, to be trading to be willing to participate in the trade, but you can decide who you're going to draft and you can decide who you're going to keep, and you can decide how you groom what you have in your own covers. And if you ask the question earlier about worst case scenario, I think the real worst case scenario is that Lonzo never becomes what we thought he would be. I think the real worst case scenario is that, you know, Brandon Ingram his second half of the season was just a fluke, and he's not what that was the Cowboys never becomes better because you can't control other things because you neither willing partner or you, you need the guy to wanna sign. But if what you have your cupboard doesn't become what you bet. Everything on that he would be that. That to me would be as disappointing as anything didn't the calculus and all that change, though. I mean, the second you sign the brawn James who was coming into a sixteenth season in his first year as a Laker now we're going into his seventeen season. He's still on the shortlist best players in the league, but the clock's ticking, and it's taking more loudly than it ever has one just because it's another year and two it's the first time in his career he ever really got hurt. These had little blimps and bruises here and there and Mr. game, he'd never missed extended time ever until this most season and usually once that stuff starts to happen. It continues to happen, especially if you're an older athlete. And now a sudden because to your point if you compla- the development game great in the clearly were along that path. But then when the bronze shows up it changed now. Now, everything's accelerated, you don't have time to maybe let it breathe a little bit more the way that you did because of his presence, and if you with this summer, I don't care what anybody LeBron's going to be looking at those guys sideways like. Thing is that they're not gonna whiffed though. That's the difference. There's only three guys that you're going after this major. Right. There's northern really right? No. 'cause you you'll try to make a play for clay. You'll try to, but I know but you'll you'll still try to make a play Klay. Spank of make a play for by Kawai for sure. And then the third guy that third guy is Jimmy Butler, and then the AD trade scenario, so you already know Klay gonna stay in Oakland. So you take him out. Right. Right. Then Koiwa surreal, they gotta show is real. And then I'm I'm Jimmy Butler probably do, what those other guys do though. Jimmy, why AD look you get that. We're having a different conversation. AD is not a free in terms of free agents. It's K D And his cO, why and after Barrett. Your, your tier two already Katie Stanton, Oakland. That's why I don't even mentioned. But, you know, for the sake of conversation turns a free agents, those only. Top tier guys after that you're already in tier two as you're as great as Craig Thomson is he's not all NBA this year. I mean it's weird but he's not right. So I mean let's be let's keep it one hundred. And Jimmy Butler to me is not as great as a shooter as Klay Thompson, but he's every bit as good as a scorer as Klay Thompson, and he's a pretty good defendant play defensive player as well. So if we ended up with him, I'm straight to me. That's a good backward, monzo, and Jimmy Butler to me is it's a straight back core. You talk a little bit of Brian. You throw in a little bit of Brandon Ingram. You figure out what you're going do in the middle. And we rolling if one of those top line guys in including Jimmy Butler, you get them then we're, we're, we're right. Because all of a sudden we got to really good players. If just one of the other guys can start to elevate whether it's Ingram ERC or coups VAR ball, or whoever now suddenly got three and Ingram, who the other two guys, maybe don't just of stay where they are. Still not bad players. You've got a team at that point. My fear is not if they get one of their guys. Where are they think they put themselves in a really good? -sition my fears that everything that we've been talking about for what a month now has poisoned, the well to the point where we says, you know, what could go either way. I just these guys seem like they know what they're doing over here. I'm going to go here those guys over there. I don't know if that, that guy's gonna be there a year from now. I don't know if she's going to be there a year for just you know what I'm gonna skip it. I'm gonna go over here. That's what I wear, they get nothing done, and then they get desperate, and they pick up the phone call. Chris Paul and say, hey, let's figure something out today. Obviously getting desperate. I'll ready because apparently according to TMZ they picked up phone and Kobe Bryant has been recruiting. Continuously recruiting Kyrie Irving joined the team. He according to last Stevenson, he's been a part of the Lakers practices multiple times and arriving. But Kobe Bryant refutes that by saying that his not sense that he was not at practice. He was not coaching them up. But land, Stephen says the total opposite. Let's put a fine point on this. Kobe couldn't recruit anybody to come to the Lakers when he was a member of a member of note that was being a member. I'm not a member now. I'm not implying on the field on the courts. You don't have to worry about me. You don't have to worry about me on the court. I need you come to Lakers, because you would be great, if you came, Laker, you would it would change everything. So recruiting is different than playing recruiting. I don't like you because I don't wanna play with you, but I like you because you Kobe Bryant there's a difference now I don't wanna play with you. But I like you hopefully his perch as a recruiter is different than pitches. Teammate space, cly come here, if you want, but if you're not. About this, then you're not about this, in your, you know what? That's not a great recruiting pitch as a teammate, hopefully it's a little, it's a little bit of a softer touch as an executive or as a concert consultant or whatever. It's K come to LA. If you come here, fine. But if you don't you're huge whip or maybe when Kobe on that, maybe just calling up in San look a note media reports are saying, but trust. I'm helping out is not as bad as everyone say, you know, the terms of recruiting it could be people calling him up and say, hey man, what's going on? What's going on? He just saying, you know, don't listen to, you know how everything sound crazy the media. I'm talking to her or blow, blah. It's not that bad. We'll we all know Kobe Bryant is definitely talking to talking to her. He's also controlling rob Pelinka. Chris doing Ben? Chris. Those ease up out of his chair keys chair dancing. Departs bar here. For us. Yeah. Yeah. That rhythm nice stuff. That's that's less labar soul train liberal. I didn't know that the music was so specifically for you or for me or for or always a time when an artist decides okay, it's time to make some money. You guys should buy more records. He's saying. But when he was when he was doing like the funk who, you know, he was a star. He said, you know, wannabes. Here's the thing bars. He needed a lot of money. You know what I mean? He was spending a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Feel happens. Deal prices went up on stuff. But you but I mean, full disclosure. I mean. We going to do. Because over here playing speed metal damn you've got a mortgage thing. I mean. Metallica's for me. You always knowing it really need money when they start doing duets rapper. Covering. Exactly. All right. Roger Goodell was at a Jim Kelly's golf tournament yesterday. One of the topics was the preseason and whether or not they really need for preseason games. Here's Roger Goodell yesterday. I've been pretty strong on our preseason. I you know, I think things have all over the years. I'm not sure you know talking coaches had four preseason games as necessary anymore to to get ready for a season to evaluate players develop players. There are other ways of doing that. And we've had a lot of discussions about that. And, you know, I feel like what we should be doing always the highest ball, and I'm not sure preseason games level. No, they're not. They're, they're bad football games. They're bad football games played with guys at probably are not gonna play in the NFL for the most part, there guys that are filling out training camp rosters. But Roger Goodell is not giving back preseason games just because the quality of play isn't good. There's going to be a. Hey, we'll give you a couple of these back, but we're going to need something coming the other way and the other way is probably more real games. Because the owners you can say what you want the games are. Allows the people go people buy the tickets is a season ticket holder. You're you have to buy those games. They're the calcium's none empty for the preseason games. There's forty fifty thousand people there. Why would I give that up for nothing but are not going to give it up for nothing? I think at the end of the day is just gonna turn up preseason turn out, just like the Pro Bowl where it's all touch football, if they continue. So Roger deals, clearly looking at this and saying, we don't want the football point of preseason against so diluted that it becomes so p players. Become so disinterested that it becomes flag football out there because there's fifty three men on each roster in out of the fifty three you know about forty of them by forty or so. No, I'm good. I'm gone. My I'm good. I ain't gonna win that's born that sometimes more than ever not giving forty. He kinda know that I'm good. And you still got the rest of these thirteen or so guys that are up in the air. You know, don't really know. What the next steps are. So they're going to be a big one hundred miles an hour. The other forty just chilling lay back all the players from the Rams. They didn't have to play pres, damn team team was done. Now when you move forward to the regular season minus the two preseason games. Yes, they're going to try to add two more regular season games, fine Adam, pay me. But you're going to pay me for each one of those games are playing. Okay. It's far game salary breaks down at a million dollars a game you're gonna give me extra two million. I just think it's a bad business model which extending the regular season extent anymore extension period. What made the NFL two different. What's the difference between for regular? I mean four preseason a six sixteen regular season. Here's the difference. The NFL was wasn't special because of the athleticism, or the athletes, or the teams or the championships. He was special because it was rare scarce. He was scarce. Yes. And the more you become assessable the more than I can see. You the less, I want to see you absence makes the. See, I think football's different though. I think for wells different. I, I don't know. I think that the scarcity is a big part of it. I think that, that the fact that this every game in the NFL season, matters it matters, whether it's week seven or week twelve it's really important. We joke all the time. Seventeen hundred seventeen and eighteen key. We saw and this isn't a perfect example, but it's the most recent one, the Rams of locked that division early already. They're playing a couple of games in a sixteen game schedule that don't matter. Now of a sudden you're having them play weeks. Fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen they got the season on ice. Yeah. They're putting a month's worth of product out there. That's non-competitive. But it just moving your bad football from the beginning to the an ANC you. Yeah. But, but that we seventeen and eighteen they won't be able to clinch and week, fourteen they won't be they're going to have to play too weak and get it. It's gonna give close it out. I get it. There's there's gonna be some teams that give you a couple more weeks to try to get back into we're gonna see the opposite to. We're going to see a bunch of divisions that do get locked up and you still got a week or two left, and you're gonna get bad football by favorite sport. But I love it because of the event as well getting together with friends Keyshawn. And I coming in just looking like we just had a Saturday night on on blaming you. Have you have those Michael Jordan is every Monday? Yes, sir. But by the end of the season Travis week sixteenth. I'm like, okay, I'm calm ready for playoffs. You know, like I'd love it, but it's it's a bit long and I'm okay towards indices. You make any long it's not going to be as important fee to make that week five game to go. See the copy. What is it about the middle of February when we all kind of look each other in the NBA playoffs here, yet, another two months to go baseball, you hit the fourth of July? You're like all right, we're, we're good here. Right. Remember, you got another months ago? Football's greatest sport in this country. Yes. Okay. Thank changes what it used to be, you know, once upon a time they only played eight games in regular season. Once upon a time they only play ten games. Tiny, only played twelve games season. So just slowdown little cowboy. All right things too much of a thing, oversaturation, okay? Win have been oversaturated one hundred years. Damn. You go. You know what everybody is going to talk about? When you add games to real football games, you're gonna talk about player safety and we can't put the guys through it. You're gonna get more bad games. And the what you said is exactly right. As long as you're paying guys, don't say anything about those safety. They'll lineup to play game after game after game being. Yeah. Mon mak-. Happy birthday. Jamaica, right. Or, or Marley or something. No. Just because just because in Jamaica multiple times. God, love, you must be are the kill gay people there. Oh, so. No. So now. Okay. That's good reason. Yeah. We don't want, we want you to stay here. Yeah. Yeah. Montego Bay torito's all that whole Jamaica next week. Yep. Yeah. Nice on you so shack. Yeah. It's different for us. They're gonna check your pocket. Yeah. Let me see what you got by. Where'd you got boy? Shouting, money, shaggy our social media guy who's shooting stuff right now. You can watch his live is already angling. Hey, chris. You need some help you and Hori need help next week. You know, maybe I could pop on here and they're like settle down shaggy. No, just because he's got extra in the others, say, boy, see I like Jamaican food. I mean just it's just for me. It's good. You know, like I hope Raj makes it back. That's all I'm saying. I think he will have been here before we ways not coming back this his own fall. What's your point? Worried about getting snatched about taking himself out accidentally damn it. L C. Stop ten gentlemen, as you know, I have multiple jobs. And one of them is working for dissolve. Yes. And I have great pleasure of being ringside to see the great of set have enough to spur guarding, where Anthony jobs got the living. Snot beaten out of him. We didn't see, but that's okay. There's quite a right. You watching the fighters. Anyway. Part of the reason why was a great upset was because that's just say Mr Lewis junior, didn't necessarily like most athletic individual to walk into a rain. No, no. But it's not the first time in which we have seen a gentleman walk into his sport of choice and not necessarily looked the part Travis. But this is my. Content. Top ten list of shall we say male athletes? They didn't necessarily look the part. Yes, I don't wanna call them fat because we decided it's not a good word. Yeah, that's abusive abusive. But top in fat people. Is that what we're doing coming to number ten? Orlando pace always big dude basin. Bake do, but pace wasn't fat like that. Pace is big was he six eight. Yeah. Big pacey was straightening, what happens when he landed on you? It be calling. But he was that was the Knicks fan k. Pace wouldn't sloppy. That's no. He was sloppy. You could be big enough. Be sloppy. Paces. And you know, it number nine number nine the fielders hoop. Both of them elective choice. Great, basically, the same Sessa was in better shape than prince Princess prices low. Strong with prince was attaches. Yeah. He got out of shape when he first came into the majors. He was cool. He was just big like is dead. Yeah. And then all of a sudden he started eating lobster, and everything and g-get. Anyway. He's the only guy that went vegan and put on forty pounds anyway. Just with him. Help not just to let you a lot of. Number eight butterbean you gotta have butter. Mike Tyson took him out right type. No, no. You Peter McNeil the other fat. Would you like these four or six round fights, right? Yes, yes, that's exactly the ones like four hundred plus pounds. Big dude big do number as being a big dudes. Oh, number seven rather Marcellus Wiley. God bless the did no more services in, in defensive Marceau's. He just was sorry. You had. In the of. List. We are talking about post playing career as well. Pretty good shape now. Got to get kicked going. Listen to we love you. And if you're not, let's do walking tours. Because he was too heavy big dude walking into it could happen. Anybody if you don't wanna walk and catch the bus that gave their thrown banners. He's next. That he was showing he was heavy Notre Dame. He's been heavy his whole career, but it wasn't that couldn't move. It wasn't that the bus was heavy at Notre Dame. He was different than the backs that you had seen prior to him. He was pudgy, and he was little stocky. But he wasn't light. Two hundred ninety pounds wasn't but he's looks like if you waters. No, Ricky Watters, the different but bust name feet man go, he could move it, but he feet up above. He acts was really, really good bowler. And he said he was like Frenchtown when he bought. True story took me and my first club. Good night. Now, come on, man. The greyhound. No, I'm talking about as a would. So I was in at SC. He was with the Rams. And I just got an SE and connections. And all that. So he took my first Hollywood joint, like real Hollywood area. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Was straight. Got it done. I don't doubt it next. See. Sobat thea. Oh, yeah. We'll see stands for cream cheese. I was gonna make a big. No, no, no. We're not making fat jokes, which just pointing out guys who they're with the park here at cake care. The c- still could deliver know this. But this is the point on always like he can still about the basically had one bad year in his entire career is the one year. He cut a bunch of weight. Man. He. Put way back on was fine. He was fine our next up George Foreman. Oh, yeah. Gotta have. Now, you know what's interesting is that there's like three different versions of George Foreman. There was the one who is actually in state Aline. Relax him too much. He's being me means or for me. And then lovable big George Foreman show the grill. I don't know which from his out there now probably the second one I there's a room in this out there that grill actually was supposed to be ho you and HOGAN, did pick up the phone and you could Google in didn't pick up the phone, and whoever invented the grill reached out the George Foreman. The rest was history didn't him. They sold like fifty billion of those. Pick up the phone and call him multiple times, and you just pick up the guy who's gonna get George. Let's move on. We got to try to get this thing put out there. Oops. Loops. He's gonna voicemail coming up next is John Bailey. Oh, you're sport. Chris John, John Daly, giant daisy, John Daly, the golfer, go from one John with the bull cut the blonde bull cut super super super heavy one likes to likes to gamble drink like she get married, divorced. Have to get my golf mine together just thirty at this cocaine. So, you know, even even sport where you don't have a bunch of guys that look like high level athletes. John Daly stood out for all the other reasons. John Daly, did you think we were talking about key? I'm curious. Because you look so loss. I wasn't that I had, I'm not a big golfer. So I don't know every single golfer, so it had registered to me. Oh, okay. Took a minute. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gwen. Oh, yeah. Tony Gwynn with soft. Yeah. He was he was hell he had a little bit of a especially later in his career. He was carrying around fifty extra pounds. Yeah. Still fifty. Cable. At the mall. He was slapping at what you forget at the beginning. Tony Gwynn score air. He was based dealer like he was a guy that would would get a hit and then he'd be on second or third base. He could really run. And then towards the end he was doing less of that. And then number one, I couldn't decide to go Keyshawn on you get a tie. Okay. Shaquille, O'Neal any other brother, Babe Ruth. I couldn't decide which career splint when every pitcher, I've seen the baby looked like that his whole career was shocked was a thin Jim at Orlando, and he, I got the Lakers. In all of a sudden he started to, you know, put on a few shifts. Diesel he go up. He would go up and down when he got the Lakers, he was a specimen. I mean he. And then that was kind of you never really saw that version of shack ever again. Right. And I guess that's about Kobe got so upset, I guess who was bigger him Stanley Roberts stand. He's Staley Roberts was fatter shack shack was bigger than Stanley Roberts. Yes, daily Roberts eighty knows drank himself out. Okay. He played a golf with John. He probably did play golf. Both of them anchors Jackson's on the same squad in college, and they couldn't win. Yeah. Will what was the coach Brown Brown, and they had a good coach too. Something was missing. Yeah. That the diesel. Well, I mean, what you say he still wanted much championships. He still big in large in charge today.

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Episode 153 - (ETHICS) The "Debatable" Ethics Code w/ Dr. Allen Karsina

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Episode 153 - (ETHICS) The "Debatable" Ethics Code w/ Dr. Allen Karsina

"Hey everyone before we start the episode. Just a quick note. We recorded this episode with dr carseat up before the release of the updated ethics code from the be a. c. b. that came out at about the end of december and record this a little bit before These sort of end december break. So while i think the episode still covers a lot of important topics related to what shouldn't ethics code be what should be in ethics code. It does make reference to the current and soon to be old compliance code so when you hear us refer to code numbers and values. We're looking at the old coat. Not the one that was just released to be in place as of next january so without of the way. We hope you enjoy our great debates. Hey everybody welcome to aba inside. Track the podcast. That's like reading in your car but safer. I'm your host robert. Perry crews and with me as always are my fabulous co hosts a dan on. And it's me jackie and every week on this show. We discuss an important topic in the annals of behavior analysis and behavior analytic research and this week is a very important topic. We are talking all about ethics and we're not just talking about any old ethics we're going to have. A great debates can have a team versus team debate on a related to the ethics code. But we can't do that with only three of us because it would be unfair team. So i run in a ringer but in i have special guest us again doctor allen carson. Allan thank you so much for joining my team to help me win this debate. I everybody great to see you again. So alan you join us way back when and you talked with us all about choice so episode nine episode. Ni- we're the single slim fifty three. Oh that's amazing. We're so glad to have you back but again some people might not have listened to the show since the very first year. We did it. So would you mind giving everyone a little bit of background information on who you are and all of your bone of feet as to talk all about ethics and wipe the floor or the competition here. Like how you fight me up. But i'll give a brief background on director professional development at the new england center for children. Where i actually met all of you. Once upon a time adjunct faculty at western new england university and Also at regis in both of those universities i teach an ethics course have been on and off for quite a while now so i love and i can't wait to get into this and talk to you all about it. Alan actually ty ethics class. Utah my acid. Jackie in my undergraduate. I mean. i'm just kidding my graduate. I didn't take your undergraduate but as very smart undergraduate we don't go back that far. There are so many things to talk about when we talk about ethics. But in our case we're going to have a pretty narrow focus but but a focus on specifically the a. c. b. code will be discussing two articles related to the ethics code and of course since these two articles one is an initial thought piece on the ethics code and then the other response from the bbc. Be hey you know what they lend themselves really well to this debate. So the two articles that we will mainly be discussing tonight. Our guidance or compliance. What makes an ethical behavior analyst by rosenberg and schwartz. From behavior analysis in practice was twenty eighteen. and then we'll also be talking about no sorry two thousand nineteen online. I in two thousand eighteen. I hate when they do that. Makes it very hard to find. And then the follow up by sellers car and no zach. We've got on the ethics requirements. A response to rosenberg and schwartz. Twenty nineteen articles written in twenty twenty full. Snap so in this corner in one corner. The jackie diana corner. They are going to be making proposition statement. But he s there on the side of rosenberg schwartz. Whereas allen and i are on the side of the be a cb and again this may or may not reflect sort of our overall feelings on these articles these are just the size will be debating and then at the end will come back and we'll sort of talk about any other thoughts behalf because i think in terms of ethics. It's a bad idea to sort of pick sides in such a way that you couldn't see a positive in both articles do i do. I'm gonna use that piece of audio out the bus. Tanner just had her pen and she wrote that down. Oh yeah. I should have my papers. I can take notes. Tear dragon slater so in the interest of of debate. Because allan this was sort of your ideas like we should do debate between these two. Is that well. Let's let's get a little more formal with it. So while this will overall the form of whatever episodes we thought. Let's put a little bit of old parliamentary structure in terms of the debate. Jackie and diana will be considered the affirmative. If you look at debating rules. And then i'll and i will be the opposition and we'll be a little bit more structured in that will sort of take turns in terms of making statements so jackie dino starting followed by a you know our sides opening statements. Then we'll do a little bit of back and forth questioning and debating and then we'll end with a kind of a final set of thoughts not super formal. In that regard i think we had like exact timetables. We're not going to be following anything like that. So if you're not you're queens. Rules of debate don't know yet. Please don't write in and tell us how we fail. That are british parliamentary style. Or anything like that. We're just trying to get a little bit of structure just to make it a bit more. Fun diana's really happy. She loves debating. If you listened to the show you know the desert actually about because i hate me. It's also hilarious. I also hate debate. Which makes our team the hater debaters. We concede okay. Scared them and yet when i said do we really wanna debate. You're like yes. Yes these articles. I think it's true. You know worst case scenario you can you can let students future students be new practitioners. Say you know what the best way to learn about how to talk about. Something complicated like ethics is to put yourself out there on a recording. That will be there for the rest of unity so that everyone can see how many mistakes you made. That's real bravery. When it comes to coughing it really helps on saying that for myself. I mean come on. I ain't no professor of ethics alright well with all that preamble out of the way. Let's get into it. Let's get into the great ethics debate. Twenty twenty one. I think when this comes out right tough we start recording around the new year. All right so let's begin. Jackie diana with your proposition statement. You have the floor. I will not actually time you but pretenders ticking clock and someone is gonna yell at you if you go over. So i want you to know that i was in the court thing that you call. When you're in the court thing is this your. Is this your opening statement. Did i just wanted to tell you my background of debate. I can't remember what it's called though. I remember later bottle. You in no. It's like pretending to be a lawyer. Pertain mock trial. I was in my dry. Oh and i said a jig. And i lost those the reason i lost. No i probably just was really bad at it just you like. I've had a lot of experience debating. Jk i have not but our proposition statement comes from the rosenberg towards article which says that the rule based decision making model that the current be ethical code is based on is both to constrictive inflexible to best serve the practitioners and recipients of behavioral at services and. There are a few reasons why we feel very strongly about this. We recognize that. There needs to be an ethical code because we are a very young profession and as rosenberg and shorts. Points out that we have grown astronomically in the last ten years right. So we've gone from just a few. Cba's as ever to now like over. Twenty five thousand bc be as as of two thousand fourteen and prior to this new ethical code prior to two thousand sixteen. I guess the the ethical guidelines were that they were they were guidelines on how we as practitioners should help inform our practice but now as of two thousand sixteen these are no longer guidelines there now a code that means that they're now enforceable show if anyone is acting in a way that might be not quite in line with the ethical code. It is now enforceable by the bbc b. and their legal team. It's called detonate logical ethics. Right when we're looking at rule-based ethics these rules should tell. Behavior analysts how to act ethically in all situations and we as the affirmative are going to argue that this code doesn't allow us to ethically in all situations yes so our ethical guidelines or the cooed as it is now we feel as fairly constrictive and that attempts to apply to rule to all situations no matter any nuance. That's happening in that situation. In you know let's be honest. Behavior analysts love applying rules situations right and so it's really constrictive. Because what we found when we read the rosen. Bergen schwartz article is that. There's three things that we've noticed that a a little bit inflexible talking about this code so there are some gray areas that we need to consider when we're providing high quality real life care to our clients and in situations where we're acting with other professionals and other behavior analysts. So some things can't be taken into account through the code such as culture in this code for instance and so we wanted to talk about how the code is fairly constrictive in these three ways when we're talking about context when we're talking about two or more rules conflicting in the code and when we're talking about cultural considerations and although the ethical code does say in one of the ethical code one one five about ultra considerations. That's the only mention of it in the code. So we feel like that is something that needs to be taken into consideration diana away. Thank you jackie. Yeah so to build. On what jackie saying. I think that it's critical that we as hebrew analysts are taught not just a set of rules to follow but away which to interpret the complex situations that we encounter in our clinical practice. according to an overall s- ethical standards which can be flexible enough to apply in various situations. I feel that the way that the code is currently set up makes it such that it can be inflexible too. Many of those gray areas that we often encounter when we're attempting to provide real life care to clients in the social services setting and their families to expand upon those situations that jackie was discussing in which we feel that the ethics code as currently stands is sort of less than robust. She noted that there are situations where the context of the ethical dilemmas seem to argue against the rules. That are in place. And i think we'll hopefully have time later. To sort of embellish upon bad and know that there are some contextual situations situations in which one might make an interpretation of the code in a way that may ultimately be challenging or prohibitive to the overall relationship. You're attempting to establish with your client. There are also times where two or more rules may conflict with one another rule thing the statements within the ethical code and in these situations. You're sort of caught between a rock and a hard place as far as attempting to follow. The rules laid out by the code. So if you're focused specifically on this type of rule following behavior then you may be stuck in a situation where you really can't sort of find your way out right. In the example that they provided in rosenberger shorts was the classic social roles of be kind and be honest or rules that we attempt to follow as part of our standards moral code but they can at times be at odds with one another and you basically have to pick which one you're going to follow in. There are other examples like that within the behavior. Analytic ethics code as well. I love their example. There it's like your friend gets a really bad haircut. Do you tell them. I know i thought about like. How would i respond to that. It'd be like bill. Do you like it. And then finally there's so much to say on. This component here is that there are cultural considerations that are not necessarily taken into account the way that the code is currently written. Those cultural considerations can be listed across a wide variety of situations which can include issues related to families or clans that are part of a different culture than yourself concerns that one might have regarding your overall case load capacity as well. I sort of been into this area and then increasingly so i think we need to be considering and more people are considerations for neuro diverse sources nurit recall population in our own experience and perspectives with regard to that so all of those considerations could get you into some murky territory with regard to the code and the code doesn't help you find a way out of that with the way that it's currently written all right will thank you. Thank you jackie. And thank you donna. So now we have talked to allen christina as the the opposition statement there their opening statements. Thankyou jackie and diana. Those were excellent points that you made just as refresher their proposition before us is at the rules. Based decision making model that occur at bac be ethical. Code is based on is both to constructive and inflexible And recipients of behavior analytic services. We will show that. This proposition is fundamentally flawed. On at least four cups i all. The codes meant to guide practitioner. Behavior must be based on rules and these rules must be enforced for the code to habits intended to fax. Although the subtleties of this point can be argued. We believe it's premise. Cannot be as behavior analysts. We more than anyone should understand. The role of consequences in determining behavior is for this reason that all regulated helping professions have similar codes enforcement procedures as the us as noted by sellers colleagues second. We propose at any code whether based on enforceable rules or guidelines and doing that quotes but your audience can see that depends on the moral will and the moral skill of it's practitioners to ensure the highest standard of ethical behavior berry. Schwartz makes this case very eloquently. Tedtalk are loss of wisdom in this talk berry makes a strong case against over reliance on rules. He points out that rules can prevent the worst cases ethical behavior from occurring but he also points out that are rigid reliance upon following. These roles can result in less than optimal outcomes. Probably sounds like arguing. Your case at this point stick with me for just a little bit longer in instead. He argues that people must have both immoral. Will that is knowing what is right. And wanting to do what is right. And the moral skill which is knowing when and how to implement a rule and went to bandits in order to behave ethically however and this is where we diverge from your viewpoint. The problem isn't that we have rules and that these rules are enforced. The problem lies in deficiencies in our moral well. And or skill the way to address. These deficiencies is through training and mentoring and we contend that the ethical content in the coursework at the full course in ethics that everyone's required to take before they can even sit for the exam the supervision requirements and then the continuing education requirements ethics. That all be have once. They get their certification. All of these things combined when paired with a clear set of rules set the groundwork for actors and further and this is the point that will develop later. We believe that without these clear enforceable rules subjective interpretations of situations. Make it more likely. not less. That unethical behavior will occur third. We believe along with sellers and colleagues at this proposition to nearly focuses on one function of ethical codes at the expense of others. It is true that our ethical code is designed to guide practitioner behavior however it's also designed to protect both practitioners and their clients and really also the profession in order to provide these protective functions to code must provide both clear rules and due process as no set of rules covers all possible contacts. Codes must be accompanied with procedures for fairly evaluating each case and identifying appropriate actions on their website reviews. How allegations are handled. What evidence is required for an allegation to proceed out the alleged violators. I notified timelines. They have responding and for presenting their case out. These allegations are then resolved. These procedures along with the involvement of other relevant bodies such as a state licensing boards are intended to ensure that a maximum protection of the clients and also other practitioner actions that may result from allegations include both educational actions such as receiving additional training on a topic and disciplinary actions which may include suspension or removal of certification or particularly egregious. Violations is important to note as tellers and colleagues point out even when the title of the code included the word guidance or guidelines. This did not mean that the provision we're not to be followed right or that there was no consequences for failure to comply with the code. This is not the case fourth. We contend that the limitations of the current code have been misrepresented and exaggerated rosenberg and schwartz have identified. Three limitations you. Jackie and diana's you both pointed out briefly these are the context sometimes matters. The rules can conflict with one another and also that culture always matters. He's are excellent points in rosenberg. Schwartz have provided a valuable contribution in recognizing and discussing is points however we believe that these limitations are not unique to the current code. And i think it'd be handled by the current code does context sometimes matter. Of course it does bailey. Birches ethics for behavior analysts which is a textbook that is widely used to teach ethics is full of examples taken from your life in which the context of the situation is taken into account in resolving the issue step three of balian birches decision making model starts with identifying all the relevant unique circumstances of the issues and then outlined contingency plans factoring in these circumstances to the rule sometimes conflict. And do they do. This is also true of all codes. One thing i love about the belmont report is that it's pretty brief document only three principles but yet written right into that document. Is that these. Three main principles are going to conflict and that we need to be able to deal with that when it happens as provide how in the code but it lets us know it'll happen and even the principles themselves the provisions within them it will be conflicts there sometimes and that's just part of of life. That's why it's not only necessary to have a code but to provide training and guidance on how to interpret and follow the code and to provide resources such as jon bailey's ethics hotline for practitioners which i hope we get back to ethics hotline. Because it's a very very valuable resource so along with colleagues or as tell colleagues note. Sometimes these conflicts lead to a resolution so rosenberg and schwartz bring up a situation where a behavior analyst maybe going through a difficult time such as very difficult divorce and according to one oh five. F analyst has things that impact their work day should not be providing services and yet one of four c. says that the behavior analyst has the obligation always provide high quality services. These rules seem to conflict in this situation. However seller in colleagues point out this could actually lead to a resolution knowing that you have an obligation to provide high quality services to your clients and yet also knowing that you're currently in situation where you can't do that might didn't lead you to find a colleague we'll take over your services until you can get back on your feet and provide high quality services that you normally do so the code might actually lead you to a solution and finally does culture always matter we believe it does and we agree that the code has relatively little to say directly on culture. It's only convert in one of five cd. E although these provisions do make it clear that we do have obligations behavior analysts to make sure that we have the training to effectively provide services where cultural differences may affect our work. The be a c. has also expressly written about the role of culture albeit in a newsletter. Think it was. The may two thousand sixteen new leser newsletter. They discussed gifts actually and noted that some cultures may place premium on receiving gifts and that you may jeopardize your working relationship if you don't accept a gift and that this is something you need to factor in your decision whether or not accept that get so in the newsletter. They expensively have a role for culture and state that that should be taken into your decision making process inclosing we wholeheartedly agree with rosenberg. And schwartz statements that context matters rules can conflict and culture always matters grateful for their valuable contributions to this topic. And we believe that every practitioner should be aware of the ethical decision making model or at least the considerations behind the model that rosenberg and schwartz product without minimizing this contribution we believe at the current code and the rules based decision making model is capable of addressing these issues effectively. All right. thank you very much allan for the starting points for the opposition. So jackie diana. I don't know if one of you wants to go next or if you wanna tag team again but this is your chance to elaborate on any of the points you made in your opening. I actually agree with everything that that you you talked about. I think rosenberg and starts aren't arguing that the ethical code is not helpful and useful for practitioners right. So i think that's not the thing that's not where they were going. I think that they are just talking about. The code is so constrictive. That can't an account for for all of these complex situations that happen when we're dealing with people and people that are maybe not like us right and so i'm going to actually start with the cultural consideration part of our of our argument because the code was written for a society that is not everyone society so it was built on. You know the western culture that may not be sufficient enough when working with other cultures and rosenberger. Shirts would argue that putting something in a newsletter. Doesn't really help students when they first look at the code right. So i don't know any students that are going to go back and collect all the newsletters from two thousand fifteen onward and keep them in a little folder in read them. So i think you know the code should stand as its own and if it says that we can accept gifts. We can't accept gifts right. So i think in that way. I think it's going to be difficult for students to students of behavior analysis if the code is a code. It's fairly black and white. If you can't accept gifts you shouldn't if you if you're a small town be cba and everyone is your neighbor. It's gonna be really difficult for you to both adhere to the code and to provide high quality services to your town and community members right because you're going to be violating one of the ethical codes. And you may not do that because you may be fearful that someone is going to report you to the right or violation of professional relationships and so here. I think i do agree with you that there is some talk of cultural consideration in the code. Just that other coach but other codes other ethical guidelines like social work and psychology have of heavy emphasis on culture. They they talk about it. Very specifically in many many different areas almost all areas when they're talking about assessment when they're talking about treatment and you know. I think our code falls by the wayside there when only mentions it like the minute right in that one point zero five so i think yes. I agree that that's important that it's there. I don't think it doesn't enough to help students of behavior analysis to understand that it's a little bit more right then what it says there and you really need to think about how i think. The code as an enforceable rule governed are black and white issue is is not in line with how to teach people to think critically about complex situations so the rosenberg and short article lays out of decision making model or process that refers to the code right and then figures out. Whether in this specific situation it would be most beneficial to adhere to this one specific code or would actually be of greater harm to the client. If i follow the code right so if i break laws with a specific cultural norm and i say oh no. I'm sorry i can't do that. And then i break the relationship of the family and yet they can. You can say that. The bbc brought that up in the newsletter. But that's not the code right. That's not the code. The code says we can't do this and that's just a newsletter that if you feel that way than it should be part of the code you know and i think the code is a legal document but i think it fails to take into consideration the complex human relationships that we as behavior analysts interact with on a day to day basis so rosenberg shorts really highlights the need to teach students to make ethical decisions and to look at ethics as not just black and white so this should be part of our supervision. It should be part of our training packages and it should be far beyond just teaching students to follow the code in reading. The code of values based essex system would allow us to be more flexible application to varied situations as well as adhering to the guidance that the code provides us. So i think incorporating the code into our practice with more opportunities. More flexibility would actually benefit both clients and our profession as a whole diana. Thank you jackie. you're welcome. I like everything that you just said. And i think that he no ultimately there are many points of overlap for all four of us right. We're gonna have a lot of agreement. I think that beautiful flow chart that rosenberg insurance have prepared is incredibly helpful and is something that should be taught and utilized within the classroom. And i don't think that the other side of the table would disagree with us on that point however the issued that we're bringing here is by the current presentation of the code as it stands it does lay out its points in black and white and i think jackie the point that you're making that the code says don't accept gifts but then if you go and look in a newsletter they say well maybe there are some times that you can do that and i feel like that is a little bit hypocritical of the code in that. It's asking you to read between the lines and go find the answer in a secondary document that is part of this living breathing cannon. That is everything that the acp considers to be its appropriate guidelines and it can be really hard to follow and find all of these various points that they have made regarding whether it's ethics or supervision. Or what have you in various documentation. It should all be listed in one place. And if they are recommending that practitioners do take those types of interpretations and that should be very clearly stated that we're following this code with those types of additional combinations because that can make quite a difference and as we all know it's complicated out there attempting to serve families and there's always a situation that comes up or you're not sure what to do and then if we all reflect back on what it was like to be brand new. Cba you're really not sure what to do. Every situation is new and you're attempting to sort of build your toolbox of ethical decision making one piece at a time and when you have a full tool kit. You're better prepared to interpret those situations but when they're fresh to you you are really out at sea and being able to have that experience of knowing how to interpret. The code is going to help you in those situations but if the code is written in such a way that it is presented at these are black and white rules in which all be as need to follow. Then there's going to be limitations to how one can interpret those rules. So i agree with you. Jackie since we're on the same side that makes perfect rule number one of debates partner. There do need to be some guide posts by which we are establishing ethics of our field and as rosenberg and schwartz point beginning of their article. It's really really critical that we as behavior analysts lay out very clearly. What the ethics are field due to the history of our field and those need to be bright shining billboards of points however there is gray area and there is room for interpretation. And that's where you bring in a values based ethic system. So i think that these two things could coexist within the official guidance has provided to be. He ran list and not requiring them to read between the lines. Rx thank you. Can i do what make one more point. Your time is up you cannot. It's too anyway because you put mayor. Judge okay dr. Christina brought up the ethics hotline. That's man by dr john bailey. And and his his colleagues. And when asked these questions to dr john bailey multiple workshops he says you have to follow the code so he said there are reasons why we have the code in its written as such and so if it's written in this way right this is the way we have to follow it so even though there is you know discussion that it can be flexible when asked one of the most esteemed colleagues of the right and of ethics in general. Who wrote the book and who mans the ethics hotline that ethics is. I mean it might be dark gray. But as far as he's concerned how it is written is how it stands. Dark green cream mother of pearl. Remember that commercial about teeth. I ju- ecru. That is don't donate teeth. Look so white. And she was like yeah. They're kind of cream other of pearl toothpaste. Yes got jackie. I know a reference of rob doesn't yes how i'm sorry. I don't know where i miss. This one fail. Will you guys say great socks off your points. You did great. Yeah but you're reference. Was no good in jackie. You went over time so negative a million points. I'm i'm very sorry. All right so now. It is my turn to go. You know as the second opposition speaker do want to go back to some of our main points. Really focusing on the area of how the ethical development of a practitioner comes about. Because i think that is very important in discussing what is needed is a field to provide and promote ethical behavior in the long term. So i wanna take a moment. And i'm gonna talk about the skill development of a new practitioner. Whenever we're learning to engage new repertoires of behavior any neophyte and field is going to be first exposed to a written list of steps or even rules. You might call discussion of these roles. Examples of these rules are typically followed by models given to us by experts in the field. Those who know better than we do at that time due to their own experiences we practice these rules. We get feedback on how well we're following. These rules usually starting role play situations where there's very little risk of harm to anyone. We follow this up with practice and more feedback in vivo. Where the risk again while somewhat minimized does still exist. We expect if we train. According to this model we set our rules. We practice them. We discuss them. We try them out. We'd get feedback. We practice them discuss them and on and on will allow us to reach a level of mastery in this new skin. So in terms of speaking to the -firmative why would we for a moment. Think that learning to engage in an even more complex skill like say maintaining our ethical standards would occur with anything less than this pattern rosenberger schwartz state that the primary failing of the ethics code is that the be a structuring ethical. Behavior as a set of rules but how it a new spec-. Ba comprehend the expansive level of complexity that can stem from maintaining ethical behavior unless the current code room place as our starting point since ancient greeks began the discussion of how to humans interact with each other a fair and just manner. The debate has raged. What is the best way to define our value based actions. Now i don't know about you. I'm not like my esteemed debate partner here. A professor of ethics and i know i find the discussion of its to leave me and i'm sure many many listeners in you know many other folks just really struggling to keep up with what is the best way to promote value based judgments or ethical behavior in any aspect of our lives but specifically in our field. The grenell's us when we start talking about these moral actions we usually will start with the diontae logical viewpoint of ethics. If we can follow an agreed upon set of rules we will all engage in ethical and harmonious behavior leading to ethical and harmonious outcomes. But we could also be thinking along the lines of say aristotle. An old friend of mine. Aristotle that virtues are the most important component of ethics that if we commit to being a good person in all activities we will be able to appropriately. Assess the outcomes needed in any context but each one will require us to carry out a different set of thought processes using a different set of skills. We must weigh these. According to our values our ethical values in order to come up with a decision but wait. There's more what if we decided that it was more important that the ends of our actions justified. The means that we used to get there such as say the utilitarian form of ethics now. I'm sure all of you are saying there are a lot of different ways of ethics. How can we come up with one. That is the right answer and the answer is we can't pay. We haven't even gotten into the idea of western versus eastern ethics in terms of. What is the outcome that we're looking for harmony among participants or is it. How did we come to the decisions. We made brackets of ethics. Is not a spectator sport without regular contact with literature with colleagues and with a clear learning structure to follow. What odds do we ask. The field of behavior analysis is a hole in allay the fears of our clients that we are truly acting ethically to this point. There's a long line of helping professions that have chosen to frame their ethical guidelines as a series of rules. Behavior analysts a relative newcomers to the stage. Is it any wonder that the bees to be would choose to model our own code. Similarly starting with the two thousand one guidelines for responsible conduct or behavior analysts be worked to complete step one in the training of ethics in our profession just setting out the basic expectations of ethical behavior given the rapid growth in certified behavior analysts since then a focus on this rule-based framework in assuring moral interactions in our work with some of the most vulnerable individuals is clearly continued to be called for. But is that enough. according to rosenberg and schwartz. Perhaps it is not. Is this enough to accommodate the guidance of practitioners and how to respond to ethical dilemmas. Now while our steam colleagues are arguing and we'll continue to do so that the set forth this code and it is so rigid and it is unmoving. It is trying to be the be all and end all of ethics in our field even sellers writing for the base to be would acknowledge and appreciate the rosenberg and schwartz provide further opportunities for our field. To continue to generalize the skill of ethical decision making using their proposed flow chart. The challenge becomes while rosenberg and schwartz might present. This model is more robust alternative to code such as the one that has laid out for us. The acp would be more likely to categorize it as an extension something that can capture the facets of ethical decision making go well beyond the remit of one single certification board to present to all of its members as such this additional scaffolding for. Bcda's is very well appreciated. And i think we have all acknowledged it to be such but a similar thought process has shared in reason books on how to respond to complex ethical decision making broadhead and colleagues in two thousand eighteen solution to taos ski in twenty nineteen both laid out a number of complex ethical scenarios and provided multiple means in which to think through the process using the code. A big difference between these books and the rosenberg and schwartz article or argument is that neither of the authors versus rosenberg and tonbridge code was inappropriate starting For us to begin both of these books are recommended for practitioners looking for further practice and feedback in how to improve ethical fluency especially in ethical conundrums. Which are going to change based on context couldn't conflicting codes and following with cultural norms. Even older stalwarts about like bailey. Emergency ethics fluency is a process ongoing practice stemming from a solid foundation and ethical guidelines that has season with work from other fields. It was originally this work that had such a large impact on the development of these original guidelines finally rosenberg and towards make a bit of a dubious claim their overall proposition the average. Va possesses the moral knowledge to engage with ethical decision making without the foundation of rule based professional ethics that exists in the current code as previously mentioned any skills prior to reaching fluency require list of steps or in this case rules. There's a model and then further practice with feedback also required while no one would ever assumed that the average zeba would ever lack the moral will to engage properly with to protect the well beings of their clients assuming a level of morial knowledge fails to capture the difficulty of mastering ethical decision. Making which of us ethical individuals has never placed files in the less than secure location temporarily your database decisions without creating a visual representation of our spreadsheet i about continuing our work even in the midst of serious personal crisis or giving advice to a colleague about a client with whom we have no written contracts. It is there but for the grace of our professors are mentors in our explicit code of ethical conduct that any of us have resolved potential crises. Like those just mentioned to start from a base with anything less you degeneration of professional struggling to proceed with all the will none of the way fancy ending thank you. I got negative. Two point surprisingly. I don't know how that happened. Geez plus five for mentioning. I've always been more of a fan of the public speaking component of any debate rather than the actual research. That's hard you talk about. Plato's cave you get ten points on an all right. So those are opening statements and sort of our our continued discussion of the various points. So now we can get into a little bit more of the back and forth debate. I think it'll be you know. I think this has been fun so far but possibly even more fun so we can ask a question so the affirmative can start. You can ask us a question and there will answer it in the will you question and you can answer. So how do you think the authors and the be a cb would counter claim the idea that they take culture into consideration where most other professionals have it ingrained in every domain of their ethical code. And it's very explicit that you have to follow you know the culture of of your client and respect that whereas the bbc be only has it in one place so please give me a way that students of behavior analysis would know what to do when faced with a different culture situation when they see the code art so i would like to actually take this opportunity to respond to something you said earlier. But it's related to this related to the newsletter. People shouldn't be expected to read or know the newsletter especially students of our profession and the newsletter is the way that the be a cb communicates to all practitioners and anyone who has an account with the website. And it's important that we all read that and it's important that we as professors or a supervisor's make sure that our supervise. Ease are familiar with how. The bbc communicates at are also familiar with the newsletters. Furthermore when it pertains to ethics the uscb as taken the newsletters that have ethical content and clearly identified those newsletters on their website in the same location or right next to where they have the code itself so when you go onto the website and you see the ethic section he can pull the call down then you can see right next. Here's some newsletters that have relevant information for the code. So i think that's important for people to recognize because it's not easy to change a code that's serves as legal document essentially without quite a bit of ought and preparation. And i understand that be. Acp is currently looking at revisions to the code. But it's a process that they need to go through sending a newsletter clarify something in the code much easier to do and you know. I think we all agree that there's no way that a code can cover everything that it needs to cover. There's just way too many variables that a simple code can cover and so you need something like a newsletter to provide some additional information or amir. Flexible code you might say allen. Just the more flexible code might be able to help you there. This is the interrupting part man. But i think we're actually going to probably at the end of the day. We agree on a lot more did again. And that's why i have to point. I do agree that the code is deficient in my opinion in terms of its coverage of culture. So it's it's in there but given how important that is for practitioners and for all of us even as you know. I think when the code was written to be. Ac was still meant to certify people internationally and you know we're now on that track anywhere where it's only going to be united states and canada. I think even so it. Within the united states and canada there are so many different cultures that Practices need to know how to be culturally competent. However although i agree that. That's something that i i hope to be. Ac be addresses in the near future and the code incorporates moron. I don't think that the code as written is too rigid or inflexible that we can't work with it as practitioners i think rosenberg and schwartz are overstating their case. So i don't know if you wanted to add anything not alon allen but do you think the component of even the sellers paper and sellers response does speak to how the themselves want to take context into account. They even state that that is something that will be taken into account when ethics cases are brought before them so to sort of reiterate allen's point it is very easy for us as individual humans with our material ways to decide this monday. Culture matters a lot more than it did last week. Therefore i think it needs to be taken into account to then ask for a certification body made up of individuals representing many other individuals to then shift gear and then immediately well. Here's our new code. That now has all of these other pieces into account. You know again as as much as many of us have been in the field for a while now. We are still considered a newer field so many of the professions that have extensive cultural competent codes. Probably did not have those when they were at this point in their development because probably in that point in their development the idea of cultures other than the assumed melting pot of american society. Didn't they wasn't even a component of the discussion. So i think we're trying to move that along the b. is trying to make that known but is also counting on the practitioners to use. What's in this code to develop their own ability to work without six to work within the context. Yeah and so. I just wanna bring a point to rob against what you just said not. You can't jackie because it's our turn to ask questions. You will have this in the discount. I can't. I don't have things and when i type you can hear my typing remember. You're like jackie. Stop typing all right. All right i just want to highlight that we. We all agree but other fields didn't make the ethics codes codes. They were guidelines until they had all their stuff in a row. They had all their cultural considerations in they had. They had the things in place that they needed as a young field before they made things enforceable right so i think we are young field. And i'm i'm not sure we're quite ready yet to have these enforceable codes when we are. It's harder to be flexible around culture. That's not even considered in our code and we can all agree on that. I mean it's harder to do. I would say to that. Certainly if we were seeing cases where individuals were bringing up contacts related to culture to the be a cb. Were saying you know. People stripped of licensor. People stripped of certification. The putting out more newsletter. Saying i don't care about culture. We don't care about culture then i would be more concerned however the fact that that has not been there statement in that there are certainly in situations that they discussing a published paper to speak to context. I think should put our mind at ease that there is that balancing act of needing to beat enforceable body when we are working with so many individuals who may not be able to protect themselves from a practitioner who is not performing ethically without having it very clearly written what that would be and we can expect parents or individuals receiving our services to know what behavior analytic ethics are. If we were to leave it as a framework of decision making it would put. I think more in our hands power in her hands. Say well i'm the practitioner. I know what's best for you. Therefore since on my my personal value framework says this is ethical. It is and you can't complain nobody so you have to take what i say is as law. 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So i think it's a guideline at something that we've learned that in in our field and i think guidelines help us. I think you made the point. It does not necessarily need to exist as a code specifically in order for it to be properly utilized by the practitioners said it. If it were a set of guidelines as it was previously that that may be sufficient as far as establishing a ethical parameters in which we need to be operating but also allow for a little more flexibility in interpretation that is not outside of the realm of what other social services fields us. I feel compelled to Just note that sellers in colleagues addressed the language of guidelines vs code and they state that. Yes i mean. The the previous version of the code was called guidelines. But it wasn't meant to be this distinction that rosenberg and schwartz make the reason that they didn't enforce the code as much as they do now is. They didn't have the resources that they do now. So you know in two thousand and one. When the code. I came out you know someone brought for some allegations. They didn't have the people could investigate it the way that they do now so they really relied upon well. There's something is happening it. There's an insurance company that's being affected and they investigate it or if it is a statement certification and they investigate or whoever might have the capabilities investigating and they find proof. Then well right. So it's not that they never found people guilty of violations in enforced the code before two thousand sixteen they did. They had a mechanism for doing that. It just wasn't nearly as robust as what they have now. And i think they fixed it or added to it. Maybe in two thousand ten but now with the with current code they have more resources and better systems for addressing it but it wasn't some guidelines. Follow him if you want to. And i think when we look at most of the provisions of the code right you know your your clients best interests should always be know primary word. Were not going to say well. Yeah that's just a gestion. I think we all would agree now. If you don't do this there should be penalties. And you know progress violations you should lose your license or your certification and i would agree that in two thousand four when it was called guidelines in we agree with it just as much now that it's called a code although i admit when i first read rosa burke insurance and they brought up the guidelines and that difference i found it to be very compelling colleagues. That's probably been overstated as a discussion point colleagues. Weren't the only people to write about this though. Broadhead wrote about this in his colleagues also talked about this issue as well so it wasn't just them that a question jackie now just a quick. I'm really bad at debating. Obviously all right well now. You should ask you a question. My question is if we are in agreement that the code is written from a pretty clear western privileged perspective right in one that values western culture and that's permeated throughout the code. So not just the the the one off one point five about culture but throughout their references to the interpretation of how how best to serve clients how best to do as little harm as possible decision making regarding discussions of scientific evidence based best practice et cetera. If we're coming at it from the perspectives that is one interpretation of how we best serve clients. How would you argue without a larger values based approach to the code that practitioners should best serve clients whose values may be different from that specific westernized perspective as a really good question. Diana what i would say to that is again. And i know that people are looking at revising the code and i hope some of those considerations are being considered and discussed but with the current version of the code there are some provisions that i think don't directly address this but indirectly do so. The one of the things. I like about the code. Is that you know the clients interests are paramount. So you don't you off it as a field where the experts and you know we feel like we know what what is best for for individuals and i think the code got puts a little bit of a curb on that in a sense that will make sure that you have met with your client that you have really done all the assessments. You need to do and that you know what they value right and what they want for your services and keeping them informed all the time as you go along to make sure that there's still aware of what you're doing while you're doing it in those sorts of things so i think by placing the interest of the client as primary. This allows us to dal you. Different cultural perspectives. So i think it's in there but it's not as accessible as i would like i think to provide sort of a personal example of how a rules-based code was able to sort of override values based judgments and. I'm sure i'm not alone in this being when i was a newer practitioner of behavior analysis. My first thought was often. I've developed a treatment. It is based on research. It is based on the assessment. That i have done air go. It is the correct treatment that will be followed. And it really wasn't until i made it more of a component of my day to day thought process of what are the rules the ethical rules that i should be following practitioner. Did i actually stop to think that my experience from graduate school from mentorship my supervision did not trump the needs of the clients. I was hoping to serve and rather than giving me pause saying will. These rules are very strict. In the way they're written won't take into account culture won't take into account non western philosophies. I found myself spending much more time taking into account the needs of my clients that may not be based in my own background my own social standing my own cultural upbringing than when i first began in the fields. So ironically i think having stringent rules made me practice a much more meaningful set of cultural values. so again is that a good debating point. Just a personal anecdote. I can't really say. But i thought it was germane to the conversation at this moment. What concerns me. Most about devaluing the code so to speak and saying look. Here's our ethical decision making model followed. This is and this is right in the ethical decision. Making model that rosenberg and schwartz. Half and i think it's step one or two. It's birds in one of those early steps where you take a look at yourself and say oh. Do i have any bias that might affect my decision making right so i love that. That's in there. And in their example from the article where they have the paver analysts. who's trying to determine. Can i provide services to my neighbor. Who would benefit from that. Or should i of the code strictly and not have that multiple relationship and the balance thinks to himself. Well you know. I don't like to follow rules. I know that about myself. So i'll take that in consideration. As i weigh the pros and cons by my concern is that it's really felt as an individual to identify and correctly way your biases and for that to be part of the model. What i worry about is that there might be a tendency or we might see this too often where individuals don't appropriately way their own bias. He's in end up taking a course of action and that isn't supported by the code that they justify so they sort of rationalize. This gift of wine is really really nice but this family is extremely wealthy for them. It's it's like a five dollar gift. So i should be able to not that we accept five delegates now anyway but that kind of rationalization right where you want to do something you know. The code doesn't allow it. But you can find a way to argue that it's in the best interest of the client. And that's the slippery slope that comes up so often and other discussions so i guess my question is how would you be safeguard against that so if you are taking a route or an approach that allows more flexibility right. That's what does all without i would you make sure that it wasn't too flexible before you answer. I just wanna say amazing job. Both crafting question also completely explaining a huge chunk of the article at the same time though it was beautiful and what beautiful beautiful. I'm not biased. In my final scores or anything. I would say that i agree with you because i always do alan. Even when. I don't think i do later on. I think about it and i do agree with you but i think here we have to. I think the bias needs to pertain to culture into look at the culture that our clients are coming from and then make decisions based off of their culture to not harm a relationship with our so if it's customary in a culture to offer t come right make that known have that be part of the contract right so that then. We've all discussed what's customary. We're not breaking any rules. We specified in the contract. Were being more flexible by accepting this t right but then outlying specifically when you're going to have tea and when you're not gonna have t- right to make it part of the framework of how sessions or gonna run or how the relationship is going to run. I think that's how we could be more flexible with the code right instead of just saying no you know. We can't have these types of relationships happening. But i mean the code sometimes reads as if there isn't a relationship right in there is because sometimes people are in someone's home for seven eight years right and you may not be friends but you definitely have a different sort of relationship than you would with your doctor that you see for fifteen minutes. Unfortunately once year right your doctors like up here. Great like slap your body right because you are in a i think he are in a very unique situation because we are in the home we are with clients for years in years and years we watch them grow up from babies and you know they start thriving like i have a old that just turned twenty five and like kills me because i worked with him when he was in preschool. I'm like how old am i right but mike. It's gross right like that's like unique. I think we are in a unique position whereas a lot of other professions aren't in this unique position where we are in ingrained in people's lives for many many years in for many many hours a week. And i think being flexible with that incorporating it into contracts and incorporating you know the boundaries that we can then get a period like a period view saying. Okay yes this is acceptable. No it's not. I think is a way that we could be more flexible when we're dealing with science in the very intimate way that we do all right so it's time to move into the final section of this debate which surprisingly is called the dissemination station conclusions y. What are the odds of that happening. All right so affirmative. You may give your concluding statements. I we agree on a lot of points that the be a. c. writes about in their article and we believe in a lot of the foundational work that is part of the code but we argue that the be a. Cb code doesn't take into consideration the cultural considerations that we as practitioners face on a day by day hour by hour basis. We argue that the a. c. code may not consider context and it's perceived. I guess way that we're reading the code and that sometimes the codes may conflict and it may be difficult for practitioners to choose the better of the codes to follow and so while we agree that the codes are necessary foundation for our field. We posit one might say that the codes are not as flexible as we need them to be in our every day. Practical interactions with our clients and then it is the opposition concluding statements in allen. Is our special guest. Wrap up our case. Some of the things that we would like to close with our that really. In order to provide both the guidance and the protection need as well as protection for the clients of practitioners and for our field. The ethical code requires a clear set of rules that must be enforced with a fair and transparent process. Furthermore although a teaching or teaching a model or process ethical decision making should also be taught to practitioners and trained with as many different examples as possible. This is really what you need in order to have an ethical practitioner. Someone who both knows what the rules are in his taught how to interpret them and out of implement this model doesn't preclude having an enforceable code it should augment it also making it too easy to disregard a part of the code with given situations as we discussed earlier carries its own risks even if you have many practitioners who are very fluent with an ethical decision making model and make good ethical choices all the time if you have a small portion of your practice that don't that's going to affect our reputation as a field it's going to put our clients danger in. It's thing that we need to protect against costs. So i think all of us agree. That the contributions by rosenberg and schwartz are valuable. I really appreciate it. Someone who teaches ethics that It's a great way to start. A course it's it gets students. I think critically about things that they might not otherwise do so i really appreciate them for that contribution and overall i really like the that they came up with although they out it's stopped the model. That's important it's considerations behind the model. But we do believe that. They may have exaggerated their case in terms of limitations and the constructiveness of the current code. And that's all. I wanna say all right. Thank you and that brings us to the end of the great ethics debates. And now i'm gonna tell. Tell you about the scores here in jackie diana wynne dragging you got great very close but you you were the runners up. I i will be receiving a participant ribbon very excited and alan you you your trophy coming in. The mail. Very very soon ended went. Yeah manned every moment of that debate is definitely one. I think you come from more of an eastern values of meeting which honea snus is more important. Yes or are all about the western. Be like we're actually all on the same side we are. We are now. We actually well. We probably really are right when it comes down to it. Yeah we're arguing minute. Details lead nice work when it comes to talking about ethics because again the more we talk about ethics as practitioners the better we will be at understanding and thinking about ethical scenario so that we can use our code we can use any other values based flowcharts we want to use to supplement that to make the decisions that are the best for the clients and therefore for the field is a whole so. I'm so glad we got a chance to talk with all of us together but it was so nice of you to join us. Allen to talk about rose mcgowan schwartz in all of their contributions any other points. That didn't come up in the debate that you want to bring up before we wrap up. Today's episode. I love to talk about this for quite a bit longer. There's so many things interfering preparing for this. That came up. But there's nothing that i feel like. We left us out and it needs to be put in. I might think of it later. Re in the morning might wake up. Oh my god we totally misrepresented john bailey and the ethics holiday love by the way everyone should call it. I remember the first time. I wrote to john bailey. And he wrote back like seconds later was amazing but he's not employed by the bbc now is not he's not yes and not. Everyone loves everything that john bailey does so we should put that out there too but should are be be relying on someone who's not even part of it to be interpreting the code for the field right and it's the aba hotline part of the organization of a b. I it's not anymore it will. It is again. No it wasn't it was but then it wasn't so unless it changed again. It's linked on the website. Yes but that doesn't mean as part of a. I know it's all very confused right little. Yeah it was confusing and it definitely is something that has changed over time. I think i might be legal considerations in terms of what the be a. c. can actually do in terms of recommendations for sure because they are the people who if there was an allegation would need to process that they have limitations what they can do so john bailey and his colleagues fill a need there. But i agree. It's it's it's weird not to have the board be able to be more directly involved. The hotline is neither the be a. c. b. or a b. i. The hotline is the aba ethics hotline says dedicated to independent ethics consultation and guidance. They are aba professionals that include variety of aba professionals in the field. The end of the day when it comes to ethics. You need to know your code but there are going to be other contexts that have to be taken into account. Which is the reason that we continue to need. you know. Cd's specifically in the area of ethics. Because it is so complex. You can't just learned the code. I learned that in grad school. You know ten years ago. And i'll just go about my day. I'll never think about it again. And assume i'm doing everything right because i'm a good person and i think we've learned a lot of our conversations where we've been talking about culture you're talking about race. There are a lot of areas in our lives which is being a good person does not substitute for critical thinking and professional and personal development. So yeah i think that's well stated in our field is continuing to develop in in this aspect and you'd be hard pressed to find someone who didn't say yeah. I think that we should be updating our approach. And i think that's true for the as well 'cause they're considering ways in which they might further define some of these components that are readily present so i eagerly anticipate another version. Someday we'd been within our lifetimes we'll definitely see another update hopefully not too long in our life so one thing. I'm thankful for the rosenberg. And schwartz is that they introduced introduced me to rushworth. Hitter key was an ethicist who founded the institute for global ethics and a lot of their ideas are taken from. Work has has a book out. Good people make tough choices resolving the dilemmas an ethical living and a lot of light rosenberg and schwartz reference You can see that in rushworth. Cantor's work so i would rock mad if people have an interest in ethics and this topic in particular. How do i make ethical decisions. It's an excellent book is not a behavior analyst but he someone who spent most of his life dealing with practical in the business world and essang really good perspectives on that well allen. Thank you so much for joining us again. For i think an exciting episode a little shift in format but i. I think we covered what we always do. Which is discussed behavior analytic research. Thank you so much for suggesting these articles this topic in this format. It was a fun way to explore our own thoughts on ethics and the research. The thank you well. It was great to see all of you again before we go. I wanna make sure to do some final thanks to everyone wants to thank you to all the listeners out there we hope you enjoyed this episode of aba inside track if you did why. Not subscribe to the show on apple podcasts. Spotify stitcher wherever you like to get your podcast. There are a lot of other ways that you can reach out to the show certainly through social media ware on pinterest facebook. Instagram twitter as. Aba inside track. You can find these episodes posted on youtube with the youtube subtitling feature enabled. You can of course go to our website. Aba inside track dot com where you can find the links to all of these articles as well as links to her just education credits. If you're interested in hearing even more shows or in interacting with us more you can go to our patriot. On page patriarch dot com slash. Aba inside track. Also it remiss. If i didn't say big. Thanks to dr jim car for recording. Our insurance ultra music to house. Tariff are interstitial music. Dan babba podcast doctors for his editing and house irving from the sycamore workshop for his usual design work so before we go to make sure everyone gets that second secret code word. It is respect. R. e. s. p. e. c. t. You can find out what it means to us by listening to a preceding episode and future episodes. I suppose that's respects. We'll be back next week with another fun. 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Episode #248: Checking In With...Ginny Di

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Episode #248: Checking In With...Ginny Di

"This is john bailey the voice of honest trailers and you're listening to the five fan girls podcast it's a fan girl podcast with five ish people the tajik we will continue squeeze i have no idea what i'm doing can you tell me things up off the top of my head her actress caused player youtuber social media person she she wears a lot of hats james horns and sometimes tails in sometimes centaur legs but we're super excited yup next week while ago oh man sorry things go yes yes on this week show hope you enjoy talking to her as much as i think we're going to enjoy talking to her doc mini dump truck of news last week it has not quite piled up again so the just means we'll probably have some fun news welcome to the podcast jimmy d high that was attempt at a description of what i do i myself oh yeah yeah eight of the five ish angle podcast and we're very excited to have a new friend i knew anything and everything to pay the rent where a lot of hats my dad when ask describes me as sort of like a model is like his best description yeah which i think leads people in a really different direction in terms of what they think of doing so the this week's episode we're super excited to have she carries a lot of labels singers ever next week watched watch tomorrow after yes something take will drop to save it for next week from this is chrissie in salt lake city from wisconsin and rachel in indianapolis indiana delivery one everybody CBS should play dandy you should full credit grohl signed me up all right e. so we are going to skip the news and all that fun stuff this week the people know who you're considering well what like not even a month ago or a month ago is changed celebrated fifty thousand youtube subscribers you have a guest so but there hasn't really been hold on news anyway after i i for the people that don't know who you are which at this point is a can't imagine the not alone thing yeah which that might be a rabbit hole we might get down here in a little bit but who you are couple but for the few people that don't know who you are give us the cliff notes the t. l. d. r. author of the five fan of hawkins so let south like you're doing rick we're going to ritual table in seizure this week this is brittany rat over eighty thousand scribner's you've got forty thousand twitter followers so there's a few people manned but yeah they do they did for me at least so i i started creating stuff for the internet in i think twenty eleven is around mostly harry potter parodies although we branched out later into other things and that was also around the same time that i started 'cause playing i was already i was a different kind of nerd before and when i when i began and the first thing i did was i started a youtube production like a parody production group with some friends it was called not literally and we made pretty new to me i still play obviously this is this has become a fulltime job all of this creative stuff which is kind of crazy and my youtube aria from game of thrones who you are a very very good dead ringer for macy well he the things and here i am now i am sort of shifted into i guess like the tabletop role playing community space more recently which is something that's opinion pieces or all kinds of stuff basically not much better describing what i do the math so like i told you in the short time we had a chat when i saw you jack anton is i discovered you however channel has expanded beyond just parody and stuff like i used to do with not literally now i still do music but i also do comedy bits and like i don't know i guess you'd call them uh-huh even not in arias outfits so the fact that you you 'cause play her and you could be your stunt double such a phenomenon and that costume went everywhere it was probably my most viral costume i've ever made and yet most of the people it was reaching had no idea what costly was so they were just like i do a lot i call myself in general easiest way to describe it all as a creator or online creator the online content creator yeah easy williams like i hear that no matter what i'm wearing or what i'm doing so yeah now at least i can link them to micheals play portfolio and be like actually yes yes of your starts with a guess youtube and and or cost play because let's kind of go and that like i worked at the renaissance festival and i was in theater but i wasn't could geeky kind of nerd before that because i didn't really know about that by right prince here have you seen my calendar yeah so yes yeah i am not ADHD player although i've been told i should be so some people think could do for other people not just for funsies so that was sort of the start for me and then over the next few years is sort of experimented and try to in many it seems like ages now however many years ago it's been now when pokemon go launched in you're one of the first people to put together a where do i buy this just a weird situation and then i i don't remember how much area indianapolis surrounding area looking for someone who is complete new but i'm your gal among go trainer caused play wit sort of viral from that did that was such a weird one because pokemon go is the universe so then once i met nerds the renaissance festival i started going to conventions and i started playing and i learned that making fan content with something thank you yeah that's that's one of those things that i am really lucky that i like game of thrones because i hear hesitant whatever told you that you will recognizable for now you addresses as juster i think the day i saw you at at jan so i've glenn dr i'm going to be barred i don't know if that i know that much personality wise longer after that but you kind of went viral kind of a couple of times have but you went kind of viral again when you started costly will who wanted to play a very different game than what i would enjoy yeah so yeah anyone out there in the indian professional nerd that's that's that's what i like to call myself professional so yeah debate to get with her own to disney princesses to obviously now critical role is a big chunk of of what you do what you really definitely taken thanks down channel for a long time so the first thing that comes up if you scroll back by date yes i i actually went back and watched your your i guess i don't know if it's actually your got sorted at eleven but if i were sorted today i one hundred percent be slow there and i think one of the reasons why i have comments turned off on that video is that which is funny it is cured it's obvious that you know you you just like what the podcast you're the early stuff the first video is from like eight years ago and it's your parody of friday alta raven clause yeah walking yeah that's i think that's one of the hardest things with tabletop games is that not just finding people who wanna play but finding the right extend you've done 'cause play covering all sorts of difference phantoms and properties from the people for you because i think everybody wants a different kind of game and it's important to find the people who want the same kind of game that you do because i thought i didn't like the for a long time because i had played with people it's not for the right people yes my husband's can hear this later and just be like award awakening when i woke up the next day had liked tens of thousands of views and was being featured on like topless robot and stuff it was very strange because i did that a few times and i was like i need to stop this i don't miss it twitter has filled that void in my heart for rangers and finding that would be really good at it really enjoy it if i could find a campaign to join a probably would actually find some friends if you if you drew a picture or if you took a photo in house merchandise or whatever you'd get points and raven claw was lagging behind and i was like i'm going to go all out dance yeah well that's a that's a rabbit hole we could go down to is bentley go back and get stuck in the yeah i actually i think i deleted or disabled or locked my account or something just to make sure that wouldn't happen if you're doing what you can with the the doe hal and the technology has available available to you so a totally understand like the production this role play thing if that tells you anything about the kind of land community yeah it was like you could do things to earn points for your house and some of it was so but as a slithering thou i have to take a little offence to your to your your hey girl i need to warn you i'm a bar that a deal breaker alert upset that we reminded them that that song exists choose sorta got it out of my head yeah but you've got i video the first video that appears on your channel i don't know if you've ever taken down anything or if what you see on your channel is what you've always had up there the but obviously since then you have you've continued to create a music videos like quite had it's been really crazy yeah and based on your twitter feed it's it's it's catching a lot of that i think is coming from the critical the tumbler which is a parody of the song stacy's mom for those of us who are old enough to remember when that was on the radio today's it's only been four days as a recording this year newest music video has dropped which is chester's mom a bit of a parodies i'll let you have done original stuff to but it's been mostly phantom related all the it took me back i have stories without song yes at all ever it's not it's not my most popular video yet because a few of them have racked up a lot of these over time but this is the strongest start i've ever with several times for play photography he's a big fan of view so he's touting your praises on on his facebook every i got tired of eight years of people getting offended at the jokes i made about their house because back when i made it i was making it for i was in this tumbler hogwarts out and push rave inclined to the lead and that's why i made that video and i did not expect anybody outside of that tumbler community to even see it which was a the slither and we're not all fat yeah there's a as someone who would absolutely be sorted slither and if i were sorted today while i i certainly think i would be raven caused work with him more often so many photographers are like that where you're like oh i'm so glad that i get to see you once a year at this one convention but i would lee saw a actually knew it was coming before you launched it because we have a mutual acquaintance wes the portrait dude oh yeah who i have worked lighting and his ability to shoot anywhere and make it look good are it's his some of his phantom and i think it is a little bit of a stretch to but just recently value ways to since you know you've made essentially 'cause play contact creation your fulltime jobs in the last few years how you've yeah that's a that's a part of the internet i'm glad i got away from i get away you didn't like i it could shoot together more exactly exactly so nobody caused plays are you to that versus video which we'll talk about the moment there's a significant difference but you're you're learning disclaimer right up front i probably heard display i'm aboard so you you you could add that to your next pickup i like it he has a series called you shot that where where he will show like an image where right it came out of the camera for that's very cool bucket list stuff so obviously things like going inventions being able to sell prints are nice in a found some ways to make living make sure that you can can pay the rents 'cause you know obviously getting so often so but he he had actually say posted something about it on his facebook before video yeah that photo shoot was my first time ever working with him and it was great we worked together at dragon con and it was awesome he's he's such a cool guy in his approach to cost play photography is pretty unique so let's let's talk a bit more about some of your specific cause plays how you've kind of found some unique all the fandom i've seen a lot of tweets you know people tagging you're saying you watch this video you know the i actually iraq because one of the photos he took is in the video yes we had a little cameo so he was very excited about that of ice and fire which is all came interns characters yeah those have been funded via so where where did the ideas for to do that come from specifically pinup style calendars but they've been fandom so you've done harry potter pinup style calendar and then you did the maidens it was cold so i came back in it's snowed like two days after i got back to denver and i was like i'm prepared for this norway me got that video scott almost one hundred and fifty thousand years of it already it is wild this is actually the biggest music video debut that i've had on my chest you have a patron which a lot of creators do but you've also branched out in mum cosmic photographers yeah yeah he's he's very much about capturing the person with image so yeah i love i love west his his style of photography i just wish he wasn't so far away all the way a to some more interesting money making ventures and creative ventures you've done a last couple of years you've done calendars who's pinups i based my harry potter pinups on and actually after the game of thrones calendar i had used so many of gilbert's pinups as basis for my photos that i but the harry potter pinup calendar did really well and that made me energized to try it out with some new phantoms after that always been a big fan of classic pinup artwork calendar so i spent obviously that was in february so i had plenty of time to do another six to add it up to a twelve month calendar and that was the doc just aesthetically i find it to be a really pretty and i have been at admirers gill elkins pinup art specifically for a really long time which is all the editing and for the game of thrones calendar i did make i made twelve new game of thrones costumes in like three months which was held i'm never doing that again i remember senior i've had to start branching out and learning about more pinup artists which has been really fun and really cool more our exploration than i am used to doing i did i did the first few for valentine's day as sort of like a special fund limited edition print sale thing and when i shared them people were like oh my god you should make us yes for a book called a center of attention which i love the title and it's a kind of a how to yet also picture coffee table eddie and you shoot you i mean you design it you make all the the the costumes and design everything and you do the shoots and you do all the pleaded a successful crowdfunding campaign for a book you've been working with hanau exander right the the editing and the positing depositing work is amazing goals thank you so much yeah my fiance shoots my first time i had ever i had done a calendar before but it was just a general cost calendar and it wasn't very popular so i had been like okay i guess that's not a thing for me and sort of set that aside belt designs like here are some ways that you could make center costumes and then i get to say here's how you'd go about doing that so it was a really fun match we've been following each other soon after he's done some touch-ups like yeah look at this ugly carpets that in this hallway shot in and now look this looks like just amazing dramatic dad teaching me and my brother how to use tools and stuff and having access to his workshop most of my cousin play craftsmanship is sewing centric so doing an actual build yeah so i actually did my first six harry potter pinups i did or maybe it was three i don't even remember i think it was six conventions to either be a judge or as a special guest is is always is by the way how was more way it was a cold because their costumes are so complex yes and then now you have recently nations are intended to be followed as designs for for costly crafting which is a cool combination for us to team up on because that way she gets to pitch yes it's like a columbus nation art book and instructional book forever caused lake creation yeah yeah but hannah does asari it's a plan to call eighty yeah it was cool we got to see the northern lights which was lost a like that was really unique and it was a new challenge for me and it's a it's a really really cool bill than the fact that you're able to come up with a way to issues my pin up photos because it can be really hard to match the pose to an image so he's very good at being like lift your chin one inshore like move your elbow out more and then a building building that you like you like carving like foam and doing things i like that puts them on this pedestal that makes them feel really unachievable and every time i've tackled a dream costumes it has been totally achievable so now i'm just like okay if i'm john and impossible and then i saw i saw actually two different people who have created center costumes from different properties liz brickley did a world oh no hannah basic art and she's she's designing for the catholic community for many years now designing her a lot of her illustrate eight as you walk so that's it's a feat of engineering especially for them all down for a girl in does her way round power tool so it's been really unique cuss play crafting experience for me because even though i grew up with all right so lax think about something i'm just gonna make it so that's what i did with my centaur and i'm really glad i did because i love it in the aziz fantasia which i enjoyed watching the vote what progress voters you would post book do the crowd fund for that and that was that was successful so now you're at the point where the the books have been social media posts like why am i doing this myself you see like months of tamp trump making 'cause play but that that sounds insane especially game of thrones us play so thank you i've always loved the fantasia center designs so much just in terms of being aesthetic pastel like a classic classic style of illustration i love all the flowers and lily pads and just weird nature stuff that they're wearing and so i always wanted to play one but it seems printed you're getting ready to send those out to backers but once you have that completed will the the book eventually become at the very least it will be linked to on my website regardless of where it goes up so we're going to have the PDF available and then once we've sent out rewards we are going to make a limited run of the print books available for a long time and we're friends and we've talked about collaborating for a while so this was sort of the perfect storm we do have your birthday by unpacking that may be the only music on my channel that is not related all because we've had a lot of people who missed the campaign who wished they could have a print copy of the book we're not gonna offer ongoing though because that would require inventory where yes my new goal and for a few years i put that office like a dream costume air quotes but i have decided not to do dream costumes anymore because i and it was a thread by another 'cause player that had recently been edited vet with johann who was at gen con what i can see on on twitter was a pretty good back and forth of people varying opinions but i know have that kind of came out of the center it's 'cause played that you did a few years ago for one of the characters from or craft centre costume and i can't remember her name but she's she's european and she made an absolutely beautiful i'm always amazed when i go to conventions at what people come up with as far as designs and builds it's a good conversation considering i know people got varying opinions and thankfully i've never really encountered that but yana guest made a comment about how she thinks that 'cause play at least craftmanship when you were there actually but but i guess johan made a comment about because i'm a cost which is seems much less heavy than my situation but anyway i saw those and i realized it was actually possible to make a centaur costume that moves like a center that became l. wool like through your website or maybe they're hannah's or some yeah henin i still are discussing how we're going to put the PDF up for sale but you won be able to wear it so that it's comfortable and you can get out of it quickly enough data because bathroom and things like that but the it also you know the legs articulate uh-huh i kind of want to talk about something that i saw you shared on twitter i think last week the people in the community that are not the nicest and all of that but i know there can't be some but this conversation lease from as to what people are capable of do you think that we've reached you know a ceiling or do you think as far as long as there's still people coming in and stuff and not just necessarily the the huge honk and made out of five billion pounds of foam armor builds but you know people all that spend their time hand feeding in handed bordering and things like that as far as designing construction just always set everybody brings something wholly unique to cause play and whatever you make no one else is going to be able to make exactly the same thing and i do think that is paul articulated centaur that's articulated in a completely different way than mine hers has like a support in the tail that allows the back to be on wheels which is hit that waller that ceiling with with 'cause play i think i think yes and no about 'cause place ceiling because on the one hand i am with you i think do the craft of 'cause play and as long as technology keeps advancing and people think outside the box that s- we're never really going to is concerned has reached a ceiling and the there's this nice thread i can put a leak to in the show notes if people wanna read it earlier too i mean i'm not of slow clause player but dedicated but so you're you're talking about you know you mentioned you know not wanting to have dream plus place 'cause you know that makes them somewhat seemed like their unattainable the temperatures this week continue although a two episode two hundred forty the i wouldn't still be 'cause playing if i felt like there was an upper limit on how creative people could be or or how many how many new ideas people could have i definitely think there's always something new to do however i absolutely see i point here i agree with it also because i think that more of what she's saying is that there i think that's something that we're we as a community are going to have to start facing because it then comes down to judge judge interest like who do the much further than a functional ironman suit the fires weapons of lights off you know and i i do think it's worth thinking about what like that and it really comes down to the judges and if you get a different judge or different strategies you could come up with a completely different outcome for a breed in this case it could be you know what do you expect to see when somebody uses phone versus when somebody does beating or something the entire indiana jones dress like there are people doing things that you can't you can't push much further you know that you can't put sides of the costumes and stuff and that was a pretty new experience for me and i felt lucky in that there was really only one entrant where we couldn't find that aren't even necessarily hallmark of a better costume you just have to think about like what pushes this person above the next person in line the competition space i just recently judged a craftsmanship competition in norway and it was my first time doing a competition of that scale in the judges think are is the coolest costume yeah yeah then then you're almost kidding into like almost like dog show we are looking for in a craftsmanship costume contest for instance which i think was the context of the conversation so which is that when you're judging like a masters craftsmanship god you're gonna hit a point where there are so many amazing people and none of them are better than the others and i think that is that is a really difficult thing to deal with so we did hours of prejudging beforehand where everybody came and brought a binder with their progress photos in reference images and we got to turn up there hems and look at the inside costumes where nobody had done anything wrong where you have more than one person who has a perfect costume in which case how do you determine who's the best to it how do you determine who takes best in show that's when it gets down to super nitpicky stuff like okay you finished your seems but this other person did french seems like okay but is fully lined like things where you have what the judges are gonna look for as far as you know what is agreed upon for in terms of the actual craftsmanship like there are people out there you look at somebody like down in creative studios who created the wasp from ant man and the wasp and competition where people have come from all over the country or even all over the world bringing their best work you're gonna see there are too many people in cost play and people are two talent hand sculpted every silicone peace had articulated moving wings that popped out of her back and like or you see major sam causeway who hand sequence single flaw with the costume and that was the one that we chose us first place but i could see if this were not at a small convention in norway i could see there being multiple territory which i it sounds like a weird comparison but by my mom's got a dog that's a former dog show competitor so i have some experience that yeah is this point because they have electronics or exactly that's automated yeah like we had somebody in the in the you got the best of the best already in front of you and then you gotta pick one that's like this is the best of the best of the best of the best like is that more impressive than somebody who did say electronics for the first time because she is a goldsmith so she does that all the time so does that make it more or less impressive the two did all for metals conventions as the dutch so i'm sure that she's in the situation more often than the average player is yeah i told her when i petition in norway who had done alter on metal sniffing for all of the gold and silver pieces on the costume which is really cool and she was like i'm a goldsmith this is what i do so for several years i go and watch the competition and we have some amazing people that come to jan nothing it just becomes more complicated question i think and at somebody like ya is the biggest invest competitions because she does so judge with her because that was a pretty small contest and there were a few things that me and the other judge we're getting hung up on where she had enough experience that she was able to say like well think about it this way over socks off yeah yeah we got to judge together at el paso comecon actually which was where i first met her and i thought it was i mean it was great to be able to acts that she's not you know as much as she seen she knows she knew that she was going to probably see some things that we're gonna or her at gen con it was saturday afternoon so the competition hasn't happened yet and i was like i don't wanna be your shoes like i've been going to jenkins it for a decade plus you don't have to do competitions at all i actually don't enjoy competing i don't enter competitions myself i have a few times in the past but it's not something at twitter conversation is yes there are some amazing 'cause players out there and people are you know pushing the limits are think about it from this perspective or here's this issue that really sort of it sort of drove home like oh yeah you've done this a lot you've done this a lot a lot a whole bunch of war blah in start trying to build a whole suit of armor no fights i and pushing themselves but anyone who maybe listening that is a do 'cause player don't let that scare you away from the harvey yeah but that being said for anybody who's listening you know don't this is one of the things that came up and snow that that i know that that person didn't necessarily start with that amazing ah i tried to let the that be more inspiring you know than than intimidated that doesn't mean i'm going to go by it can definitely be stressful sometimes yes but it it's it's such a fun hobby though and you can either let that you know whether you want to compete or not you can either let that intimidate or you let them inspire you and honest the probably significant difference in where they started versus where they are now so yeah absolutely and some people come into it with their own the the years i've judged to i've been on both sides and honestly i think a judge was more nerve racking than competing petitions will have like a master's category and then at beginner's category or to make it possible for people who are newer to the hobby compete without feeling like they have to compete with those people whose it's cost carrier's gonna turn she's like yeah i've heard too so you know even someone like hers because fight for twenty years you know still recognizes the it's definitely what we want to make sure is a pointed out yeah well and that's something i think i really like how some cost play verite anymore and you don't have to you don't have to compete you can cuss play for a million other reasons oh yeah yeah yeah i competed wants thread that is essentially alight but it's like the thickness or thinness of just oh so with all of that though you know even not with the intention to compete each now going forward as you continue to create more 'cause players because i don't know about you but i can't and that's the thing is you know you can see you know some of these amazing haas players with their amazing bill quality of everything has gone up like the fact that you can walk into joannes and by VA foam and you can buy sewing patterns that are specifically designed for 'cause play mhm style is absolutely incredible yes yeah i think i mean i definitely have seen over the last maybe five years i feel like the materials i have a local local fabric store called colorado fabrics that sells war blood in the store which is awesome there are places where like you can i mean there's actually base in custody has just really taken off there's just so much there's so much incredible stuff available now and stuff that used to be hard to find as much more easily available and the liked to so and my mom likes to so and so i had made pajamas renaissance festival clothes and stuff like that everybody has their own things that they bring to the table and everybody's star seeing as far as products and technology that excites you or makes you excited like ooh stop coming up with ideas very late what are some things that you are seeing either at when you're judging unique skill set to that like the goldsmith the person who does goldsmith or anybody who's done other similar work in the past like i came into having been sewing for many years because i it's made the bar for entry lower which is awesome because it means more people can cause play but it's also made it a lot harder to stand out in that space like we were saying with competitions like oh so you didn't really make it but i've seen people who have designed their own three d print models and it is absolutely just as difficult in totally different way you can buy a sailor moon wig online you can buy resin gems in the right color in the right sizes for each of the scouts it's just it's it's definitely are you know if you look at their very first one versus you know the people that are winning top prizes in master craftsmanship conventions now off you might follow some tutorials that you found on life journal or on deviant art you'd probably have to do a lot of your own wig styling stuff nowadays are heat resistant they're not party city wigs now you can get them everywhere it's a major i definitely think three d. printing has been a huge game changer the power of the internet though is just the the access that we have now even not just you'd have to resin cast your own your own jewels a lotta times now you can just do you can go to the store and you can buy a sailor moon fu costume pattern i i you know things to purchase just reference images and inspiration images is you know the space is changing because the bar has been raised they used to be that if you needed to make a sale if you wanted to make a sailor moon outfit for instance you'd have to pattern it all yourself like if you wanna get a list front wigan pretty much any color you can have it from you like you can have it to you from amazon and like three days and and they're all like the wigs are good liked to try to use you know a three d. printer in some point in the future or something like that you know i i was i had a shoot a couple of weeks you know if it's a video game player and they've got an alternate outfits you know that's less known do it or you know sometimes mashups i've got several mess ups for no flutter or someone like that who does a phantom related art you could get inspired by something regular like sewing machine which you would buy at your local you know joann's or something that would be awesome the stuff in brooklyn light in there the challenges come in different places now yes yes very much so so speaking of the challenges i guess let's see eighties i think that built herself a star wars like ex fighter pilot costume and she did it just from going to the movie theater love turn things a little too i guess we cover both just like 'cause play culture and arwen costume just kind of spur went for a friend's video project and looking for resources from lord of the rings is so difficult because i didn't realize dated that movie was until they took on set to make sure that they styled her hair the same way every day it's like the kind of resources people needed to look for a nowadays video game companies owns the culture has changed since you started there are some people where they've got some conflicts it's their very first one but a lot of times you do have that glow up that a lot of pause players have in watching the movie like several several times because otherwise there was no way to to reference it yeah i did a just a few years ago deuce full high resolution turnarounds of characters with like detailed little close up of the details and stuff in the accessories it's a completely different world internet culture because you've got your your toes definitely if both of those pools not just play the fact that you know you've taken he's been like sculpting something or making it from foam i think that's the sign yeah absolutely i think there's is play in it's one of those things it's like digital are where if you do digital art people are like oh so it isn't hand drawn i feel like there's some of that flavor with three d. printing where people are like ago in the cockpit i were talking about how it'd be really cool and maybe somebody's working on this and it makes us already we just don't know if someone could make ed or dow just going to mention and meeting fellow players big how social media what is it that you're very serious thing i mean anytime you decide to put yourself out there on quote unquote a public forum or platform there's this there's this yeah subset percentage of people who seem to think l. police report against someone on read it my my warning about online privacy cleverly disguised as a it's at different places so i think it's important just not to compare yourself to others because you can really you can really mess yourself up that way yeah yeah cutie pie doing you know getting people up in arms and yeah what's you know some random other person who makes their living off the internet doing photograph of the backside of an action figure that i found that as a photo of the costume on it and you can see that there seem here or like here's a picture listen for collins that you can walk in and by arte wigs like off the shelf it's just the whig called a general has just gone absolutely nuts are looking to stand out don't necessarily you know if you wanna if you're willing to think outside the box a little go with is that you couldn't get back in the day someone shared of an image on a facebook group of some gal from the you know the celebrity hollywood celebrity business you know in the the tabloid magazines and rock stars and things oh wearing at the beach that may or may not you know get people up in arms but what is this what is that she got your own stories i was just watching the video that you put up from a couple years ago about how you had right and you're making you know put yourself out there on the internet and are making your living there how have you found i mean what bothers me has changed i definitely have developed a thicker skin in some ways than i had when i first started doing this because you kind of have to it's like a survival thing i mean we're taking to different phantoms put them together to come up with my own thing or look at the different arth out there you know someone like hannah alexander or just you know if you really want to go for accuracy with the power of the internet you can get your hands on good high resolution images when you become a quote unquote public figure than it's our right to you know analyze everything you do and everything you say and you had the people may or may not agree with so there's these people some people think that you know us you fit yourself out there that's something that we can we can talk about it until we're blue in the face and i do think we should talk about it more but it's not going to stop that's just how people are when they to make us happy every single moment of the day and how you d do you feel that pressure or do you something that i think you kind of touched on which is a para social relationships which is basically how people when they follow every facet of your life when they see you post click babies storytime video yes i was like i want to tell people to protect their information privacy but if i titled the video that no one will click it yeah but pictures on your instagram story of your cat in your morning coffee and whatever and they see you converse with your significant other on twitter and whatever or e- if you've got if you doing this long enough that yo- you're kind of like an trolls are gonna be trolls and whatever but because he's a youtuber people see him as more accessible accessible and they see him as more human in some ways and that can be to our detriment sometimes apple now we have people living their lives essentially online so it's not just what is jalen people are people are mean on the internet like bottom line willing EMC your face and they don't have to see your reaction people will say really cruel stuff to you and audience has grown what i've started facing more of that is more difficult for me i think nowadays if i get comment that's like your ugly it's like okay and then i block them and then i move all my life the people that are fans of him compared to fans of like i don't know brad pitt or whatever like he's extremely famous even even in the context of actual celebrities he's extremely famous ourselves on like if you aren't if people don't perceive you as authentic and genuine than they are going to be less into your work place they start to feel like they know you start to feel like they have a relationship with you and in comparison to celebrities like j. lo or or whoever a i think the idea mine creators because people see these things and they think they have a relationship with you they developed this this para social relationship this one sided relationship where they feel like they know you of online influencers of a creative is that we are more accessible and that we feel less like a celebrity and more like a person for me as a person i've had people ask things like your eyes are kind of red in this photo have you been crying just like a just the kind of stuff where you're like you don't ask me i was looking for like high resolution screen caps which things just aren't a thing i was reading blogs of people who had made our costumes and they were saying things like will here so how how do you how do you handle handle that s- or d- does does even bother you at this point after so many years the matter how many followers you have so even though pudi by has millions of followers in many ways is more popular than other celebrities i mean if you look at if you just look at the number you as a friend because of the way that you're approachable online and they start treating you and talking to you the way they would talk to a friend which is really not an appropriate way to speak to a stranger end in that sort of weird zone where it's something that a friend would say to you but a stranger on the street wouldn't and people fall into this weird space online where they see you but they forget that you don't know them and that impacts the way that they interact with you it's on my case that means you know sometimes people make a lot of assumptions about my life or i've had people speculate about my health i've had people speculate about my relationships people like to tell me that they think that my fiance is secretly gay automates and i think i mean for me for me a love the shift has been in people are gonna be mean whether you're somebody or not but as yeah take that how you want to make sure that you know the people keep coming back and consuming content so that i keep it it it's gone beyond because of the internet culture you know internet age we have now it used to be everybody people wanted to know a stranger van like that's inappropriate and of course i've gotten much more inappropriate stuff than that but these kinds of things comments like that they land agean that that makes it even harder it's like okay how much more do i need to expose myself that you know yeah well and i imagine that the as the the platforms internet you need to interact with the people that are your or your fans because that gets them to keep coming back to is reaching like maybe fifteen hundred of them with any given post and what's so frustrating about that is you spend all of these years building this audience and connecting with them a social media platform who can change the rules at any given time and unfortunately part of that does mean that you have to be incredibly engaged with your fan base a big thing where people were struggling to reach the audiences that they had spent years building in my case i had tens of thousands of people on facebook who i could what's going on over here to to be honest with you but you know with add pokka lipson them changing the way that they making molly yeah it's one of those things where i noticed about probably about two years ago that facebook really tanked organic reach and it started to be consuming your content and one youtube decides to do something and change the algorithm so yourself is no longer appearing people's fees you just things like that the kind of things that people decide to tell you and that for me has been much harder than the hate because hate is pretty easy to dismiss certainly you don't have access to them anymore unless you pay facebook and so one of the things i was looking into a lot during that time was how to build community that's not dependent on in order to make sure that they are going to actively seek out your work even when the social platforms don't decide to show it to them you need somebody needs to be a pretty big fan in order watched and you know the algorithm always seems to be keeping keep changing you know as someone who make your living range in youtube especially specifically right now and the last couple of years they've been having i don't know what is that can be not just mentally healthy but also actually protect your safety like i mean i saw an article the other day about a i think it was a k. pops it's just sort of a weird space to be in and it can be hard to handle it can be hard to draw boundaries and figure out where those lines are and it does make me question how much i should share but a lot of the people who have para social relationships with me are fans and they and they are trying to be kind and they're not trying to be assholes it's destroyed live streaming and doing whatever things that they can do to make their fans feel connected to them and that does mean sacrificing element of your distance of distance report against people so yeah and what i really hope is that as this kind of thing becomes more prevalent i mean we've seen so many people get get her air and whether or not i need to be more careful about the kind of information that i put out online but also that authenticity is part of what creators like me sort of to type in your youtube URL go check to see if you have a new video versus just watching it when it pops up on their feed and the creators that i have seen be most success record includes your address so the only way to get your voting record are not your voting record but you're you're voter registration the only way to get your registration information line between engaging enough with your followers that they feel connected to you in that they'll seek out your work but not so much that they feel entitled to you and start crossing boundaries and ultimately you have no control over whether or not people across boundaries so the you know it's a situation yeah like you can only control what you can control arrest off the internet and and harassed into moving people get death threats they get photos of the outside of their house sent to them they get swatted with i think we've seen auto has in place for removing your information but there's people like me where if somebody has my full name and they wanna look up my address you know like that's that's public information unlisted in colorado as far as last time i checked is if you're like domestic abuse victim and you have like a restraining order against someone i think that's the only allowable reason that color do you know add since pats to creators how they changed the threshold yeah you had to have so many subscribers so many hours astle in that way with building that community are the creators that are that are a hundred percent engaged with their fans that are always interacting that are answering questions and re tweeting people and there is there is something of an upper limit on how how much you could push the envelope and do something that's never been seen before in terms of it used to upset me but at this point i've gotten it enough times that it's like less your opinion man so i can get but what i think is harder to deal with is publicly and whether or not something should be available in case of legal recourse i think should be a very different situation than whether the average person should be able to look it up online ars something who a fan tracked down where she lived based on the reflection of the city skyline in her i in a selfie while you hear stuff like that and hopefully that will change sooner but i mean you know the pace of actual law yeah yeah that's i think the idea of what public information is has really shifted since that went from oh you can go to the courthouse unrequested document to oh you can google in decides to go there specifically to find you even if it's innocent even if they just want to say hello it's it makes you you have to figure out where to draw that it makes you question it makes you question what kind of stuff you talk about like i i worry about saying oh i'm going to go to this concert or i'm going to go to this movie because what if somebody sees that take that and run with it when are you going to do i guess it depends on what exactly happens so sometimes you have to file police are for instance one of the things i was just recently talking with someone about is the idea of publicly available information so like in colorado your voting record is public and you're voting list and it's online in the next twenty seconds that i think is something that the law needs to catch up with there are people who are like really at risk with having their information available hannah worms the internet is just developing too quickly for society to keep up with it yeah yeah that is very true enough of that that what i'm really hoping that in the next few years the actual laws will catch up with how it is to stop line because right now it feels like all troll yourself and make those decisions we are what you're most comfortable with and if someone decides to you go back in the day the internet was for kathy oes which has two cats i do rent way make a segue two cats so they're very handsome the power of the internet the power of the internet a okay new pseudonym that's completely not tied to my real identity that ship has sailed unfortunately the internet is coach with your your personal information and you know what you do online whether your someone who just at the first person we've had on who's essentially found a way to make their living via the internet and everyone's got their does on facebook to catch up with family members to someone who make their entire living living on the internet you know an incident where you had to go to the police is you know unfortunately not unique to society without their stays out there so like if i could go back and do it again i would not have i wouldn't have put my full name on anything i would have probably which was like two or three years previously at i was able to go on my facebook and find a photo album from the previous trip and see what it is i'd orders it's a good it's just a good reminder if anything else for you know the people listening that yeah odds are you're listening to us in the previous trip so i could decide whether i wanted to order the same thing or something different so sometimes so i have no good way to try to get trump serious subject to not serious so it's never too early to start protecting your information because you never know when your internet presence could expand us sometimes it happens unexpectedly and quickly and the information you that's very true i the san francisco last last month and went to a restaurant that we'd went to last time we've been in san francisco my customer name is my real name like not my not my last name my real last name but like my name is janie that's my real name so if i go back and change it i probably would have just come up with an entirely forever people yeah that's that's the big tako unless you're trying to find something you need that you posted a long time ago and then the internet is true that city as a whole but it is you're you're the first person that we've had on this had something like that happens so but i yeah hi it's been a kind of a nerd fayette of of dirty things and how that snowballed into play her own way of doing things and what they're comfortable with and the fact that you do have a a year someone who uses the internet because that's how you get podcasts so is always a good reminder to be smart all that but how old were you exactly when you host that renaissance festival in your backyard who so it was right that is totally yeah that's one of the things that i you know i hope that we could touch on when we had we had you on because you're not go with it so yeah we didn't if the beginning there you know you talked about after i'd moved to colorado so that would have been fourth grade how old are kids in fourth grade eight or nine the halfway around then i was about about probably nine or ten range when i went to my very first renaissance festival in decided i wanted to make my own but that's always been sort of a hallmark of the way that i am a fan of things is from the beginning even before i got into this kind of phantom by way of loving things was always to to make something system to put my hands on the thing that i like and make something new early on that manifested with me doing a lot of role play like text based role play stuff online i think late middle school and i i used to write fan fiction of course draw fan art all that kind of stuff that just that just comes when you like something so you make something with it and constantly think is just an extension of that same that's dr had i was a big fan of ed mccaffrey stragglers pearn so iran like a pro boards forum role play for drag murders pearn that had like hundreds of members when i was in michael when i saw your tweet that you know what is something from your childhood that pretty much is a precursor to where you are where i decided to do a one essentially a one woman show recreation of several of the musical numbers periodical branch for me i've been like a like oh i like this thing i could do it better i'm gonna do it now the you were with the festival but ninety five so that's probably about the same age agent charge admission capitalist yes i'm rejecting all of that as thoroughly as i can while running a smoker it was i remember what i was a kid bike unless i probably i was probably younger than is now yeah so a little mermaid moving in my grandfather's yard for him and some of the neighbors accept i didn't i wasn't smart like you were in you recently posted kind of a q. and a. type video under channel and earlier sivy yes stephen moffatt really really murdered that for me doctor who was the first phantom that i actually like really deeply engaged in i think it was the first time i'd ever cried at a television show episode of the episode where where the doctor and rose are separated busters ruins ghostbusters i'm like just watch the movie but i definitely feel like moffitt taught me that you really can ruin something after the because video that's old but you also mentioned that your doctor who fan well i used to be one of the questions was what are what i was one of your like early like you know big phantoms and to know really into was the original power rangers and i it had you know we do what shipping was when surprise one year for rancher was harry potter since you're obviously a huge harry harry potter fan you've got that that raven i totally my OTP was tommy and kimberly and when they broke up and he really moved and sent him that dear john letter like the got his hands on it and man i i've always been the kind of person where i'm like nobody can ruin something for you if you loved it before like i don't you know people saying oh the news d- like her her recent stuff has just made it very difficult to love harry potter in the same pure way that i used to it's hard to not be aware of just how much mafia rain on the show drove it into the ground for me it was very depressing i actually is felt act because now if even if i were to go back and watch david tennant's arcus the doctor which is amazing and the best i love eccleston too but even going back to watching men did yeah doctor who was a big thing for me i was i was very passionate about it for a few years there and then george lucas lake territory as far as her her creation like yeah doesn't help that she built her whole series on yeah and the sometimes creators just need to know when to leave well enough alone pointing it was and then even like harry potter is still one of my i mean i love harry potter still deeply to this day but jake rolling has really made it hard i kind of commiserate with that not necessarily with dr who but like me by i like big fan in that i was the series died so i kind of understand where you know the the the people in charge made a decision as far as the story the native american appropriation in the american wizard stuff and like just like her as a person and her stances on things i feel like it's the final season was so awful that it's hard to even go back and watch the earlier seasons because all i can think of his what they're building towards and an how awfully ended in just how just been been difficult i mean looking back on the books you can see you can see how she's sort of like a halfway progressive you look back and you see how few people of color louis but then i sing is always new stuff coming out as far as as if you can't be progressive at least stay quiet remember what it was like when we were younger the joys of absolutely jake jake rallying you cover you know harry potter's the amazing but yeah she's should she's not careful she's going down george logan ooh that's not a good match max for the audience you've built your audience older but he like i mean harry potter lovers are the social justice warriors of today she for full series on like being being accepting and like a d growing up with a phantom yeah yeah looking back at it you know when you're not a kid anymore looking back when you're older and you've got you know the adult expe- she's clean older too and like how don't fake don't don't you want to those people as you get older like just at least stay quiet -perience looking back with an adult is this isn't resonating with me the same way when i was ten yeah absolutely just a problem with the specific audience built to build an audience that's like we are loving and caring and thoughtful and she's like are and i'm like little transphobic in your order had taught me a lot about how how i wanted to live my life and what kind of person i wanted to be and now that i don't necessarily feel that from harry potter anymore i definitely feel like eating hate with love and stuff and for her to now go on and have so many problematic stances on the things that the harry potter generation cares about now has contents the from different you know you can always find another fandom or another phantom may find you actually the case all my money yeah for critical role has really replaced harry potter as like the the the phantom that i don't just enjoy watching but real quick if you can for those aren't familiar with critical role as a but that actually impacts my life and my outlook on life and my way of thinking about things for a long time that was harry potter for me i felt like harry so it's nice to have it's nice to have something fill that void because it was hard to lose harry potter in that in that place in my heart it's all over life is just life and growing up and getting older and gaining experience with with the world so yeah critical role has replaced that in terms of just a just a great model for the kind of life i wanna lead in the kind of creative i wanna be someone who's not necessarily you know part of the cast but you're obviously very into into it very familiar with it for those that are insulate better job yeah yeah it's it's it's a combination of you know your age and experience genuinely mourned the loss of that show you tired saying is that the new is that the new stuff is much better often the not yes i didn't go searching for this fandom it showed up grabbed me by the hand and said let's go to here's employed on twitch yes so actually that is a good starting point because there are plenty of people who have heard about critical role in still do not understand that it is just voice actors are unschooled can you give us like a real short synopsis on what critical role is other than what i know which is a d campaign i'd love to sit down and watch other people play a game for four hours a week it seems it seems insane but but yeah that's what it is and i think what makes people playing deemed alive every week and i think one of the reasons why it's hard for people to get that is that it sounds crazy like when you hear that you don't think oh yeah and yeah we're just where you are in life you know the things that you know really defined who were younger brought you to where you are in the books and and how they're treated and handled in you're like okay yeah i can see i can see the red flags now but the current stuff with all the i compare it less to watching other people play a game and more to watching live improvised storytelling or even like improvised elling and you're like no you're now yeah and now i now think i've had that happen with a few things because like game of thrones i loved game of thrones very deeply out sharing your your costumes and stuff that i'm like oh this is like it is a it's a story and watching people play a game it feels like you're watching people tell a story and i think that's why so many people have fallen in love with the show is they're they're all very good storytellers together they are really watching as you are watching a collaborative story come to life over the course of the weeks and the framework they're using for it is d- but it doesn't feel like it it's it's gonna be real hard to convince myself i was scarred by office i'm traumatized stem all but you actually and you you you and other 'cause players later almost because obviously they're all great actors but on top of that they are so passionate about their characters and they are so thoughtful about the way they play what now but don't necessarily fit into you know who you are in your outlook on life in your goals and all of that so that's it it's just it's just ace and whole interactions with other characters and all of these all the things that we have so much is that each of the cast members both matt as the DM and all the others as the players are they're all really good storytellers turned it into something that's really flushed out like they've got these these characters with they figured out what exactly they look like at gen con so i've i've seen the title you know the name throat around the years i've been going to to jiang calm but it wasn't until yeah matt mercer and the rest of the cast of have taken you know this this game judges dragons which has been around for her asia's and the character's backstory and while some writers are very good at that there are others where it's it's clear that they can't hold that many fully developed characters in their mind at the their relationships are with other characters and i think having a different person responsible for each character creates such an interesting element in terms of the interaction between characters realistic interaction between two people where they each have their own stance and you never know what's gonna happen between them and of course since they know they're telling a story they do have some there's because nobody no one person gets to control how both characters feel or how both characters behave instead it's it's a combination of a very ability to inject narrative into it in a way that we don't in real life conversations but it's such an interesting mix of those two things i think it really allows for a lot of depth a critical role in DND as a method of storytelling is that normally if you were writing a story one person would write the whole story and one person would be responsible for creating every character that is so much powder but from what it sounds like you know they've got all these characters have backgrounds and they've got you know families and some k there's a ton of information available out there i actually have a video about how to get started watching critical role which i think is still patron only but i should release that this week because people always ask able to dive into that character so fully and so deeply they can really embody what the character would be feeling and what their history is like an an weaving something really singular and really incredible yeah they usually critical roles some sort of presence feature on all your social media all all that fun stuff so sure so i'm i'm pretty 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Technically 200 Talks: Joanelle Bailey & Nevette Bailey

Technically 200

41:05 min | 4 months ago

Technically 200 Talks: Joanelle Bailey & Nevette Bailey

"You're listening to technically two hundred. A podcast featuring the stories of amazing black and latino women steph this season in honor of mother's day we are highlighting the powerful stories of black and latino mothers instead. Stay tuned each week for these roundtable conversations as we learn more about the inspirational and authentic experiences of black and latino mom's not only making it happen for their families but for the entire stem ecosystem book. Welcome to another episode of technically two hundred. I am your your host mat stevenson and as always we have the most illustrious guests and and today is no different as a matter of fact. My goodness i've been waiting for today for quite some time. I have none other than jones l. bailey and nevada bailey. That's right. They share the same last name to episodes ago. We had to carmen's no relation today. relation john bailey. She is a surgical critical care and acute care surgery. Fellow at the university of pennsylvania. Go and nevada bailey. She is software engineer at oetzi. And also this is her. Second time on the podcast. Welcome ladies mace. Why don't we focus on first on what this season is about which is black and latina moms in stem and of which both of you are right. So i'd love to hear about your kids. Tell us about your kids and then the smiles in susie there we go all right so tell us about your kids. Okay mike kiddo. Is named arlo a stories they are non binary h seven pronounce them They're like super smart and fortunately and unfortunately basically a clone of myself at times Which is great. 'cause i like myself but also not the easiest to get along with so so when arlen was born nevada said that she knew he looked like her because he looked like me. He's like a number faces. Velika puzzles i thought. I thought like three d. sonogram and i was like the baby looks like any. Are those foyer a girl or boy or girl but it was like the it looks just like me and people thought i was crazy for saying that because having you tell from three d. sonogram but here we go along so my son is fourteen months old. His name's antonio. He is walking very well climbing things he can open doors he says words but not mama and he loves to eat and is huge and has really big feet all. Are you already making predictions about what his future is going to klay. Now idea brother though. That's in future. He's going to be. What a big brother are you pregnant. Yeah congratulations another. Another boy probably with big Is on the way that's awesome. So why did you do. Day oct sixteen. That is fantastic on the same birthday. I think it's important to point that out. Oh yeah antonio and arlo sabre base for stealing my thunder. I was going to bring back. Like i should have mentioned it and i didn't so how. How planned was that nine plans. They're like six years apart part. You know it's just a weird twin thing that happens. That happened or happens. Is this like i think. No i think happened just happens to us. How's it been being pregnant. Healthcare professional during all of us. Yes oh antonio was born a week before. New jersey went on lockdown so when we went to the hospital all we got like the screening questions. I guess because they were asking at that time like does anyone have any fevers or colts intones or anything like that but there were no visiting restrictions and the hospital if you travel to china recently. Brighton is out of the country. Those are the kind of questions and we were. Of course like i nine months pregnant no and then when i came home from the hospital it was a saturday and the whole you know. My my family was over all the cousins aunts and uncles. Everybody wants this baby and then a week later. No one was there so it was not what we expected in terms of like having helped with a newborn because no one was allowed to come near us. Basically be accurate walked down in the pandemic really gotten to swing. I was supposed to go back to work after six weeks which is pretty standard. I was a chief resident Was supposed to sit for boards in july and this was march and so the boards rules are that you have to work a certain number of weeks in the last year of your residency in order to records so that limits the amount of time that you can take for any kind of leave but for maternity leave as well so with the pandemic in full swing. The boards actually changed the rule and added two weeks to the possible time that you could miss. Yeah but the two weeks was for fourteen. When you got exposed to cogan. So i had to figure out whether i was going to take the risk and have to extend residency if i did get exposed to covid and take the two weeks front which is an ended up doing that so i had maternity leave for eight weeks and then i didn't have to quarantine thankfully and graduated time so having newborn during a pandemic is incredibly stressful. I feel like you know. Now it's like a year or so later and we know so much more about the virus and transmission and the exposures and there's like evidence and everything but at that time. Nobody really knew anything. We were worried about the virus being spread even with proper ppe which there was a shortage of and even with proper precautions which was tough to know what there was to do. We didn't know if it was on services. If it was just an air like it was there was a lot of unknowns. So everyday i went to work super stressed out. I worried pumping. So i worried about you. Know every every surface that everything touched a clean everything in the office that was pumping in as soon as i got to work at tried to minimize the amount like i even had like a way that i turn my scripture inside out so that i could only have one side twitching the pumps and had not worried about the outside of it touching anything and And when i came home. I would go through the basement. Antique all my all my clothes. at hospital to those clothes off in the basement before i came up an hour shower immediately before i touch anyone in the house and it was a lot it was like it added like an extra probably couple hours to my day. That was already incredibly long and it was stressful because i was worried about bringing home any germs from little. But then obviously bring home. Covid people didn't know how it would affect a brand new baby didn't know how it affects. You know his dad so it was terrible. Thankfully he made it through healthy until six months. Maybe eight months. I forgot when he first got sick with lake. Nocco bid but regular virus but he's healthy and fine and now being pregnant during covid a year later. P. e. is plentiful and we have a better understanding of the transmission. So and it's routine right so like going back to the hospital. After maternity leave it was like going to the twilight zone. It didn't look anything like the head left. Everyone you know like they changed the way that you could enter the hospital chain bad temperature screening like you know everybody was in full. Pb all the time. There's only certain areas that you could go away from everyone else where you can take your e off your mask off your eye protection all year to go get things There used to be like boxes outside of rooms with potential with potential droplet exposures or potential airborne exposure. Where you could just grab a mask and grab some gloves and a gallon. Now you have to go to a police depending on what Works for as soon as possible. He went to the place. You've got assigned your mask and your eye protection day until like sign it out They were recycling masks. Can like clean on. It was crazy. It was hard to believe that. Just like a few months before that was completely different in the hospital Now we have enough of everything We i work at the grocery of hospital so Being like in icu and being correct trauma range Bay we assume everyone has code until we get a negative test. And i can take hours to sometimes a day depending on how long the test takes so it's routine to take care of patients and people are positive you know i would say like maybe for ten percent to a quarter of patients that come in our positive so we just ten percents who a quarter are positive. They're still yeah. There's people mckinney. That are dramatic. I mean you are. Trump population in philadelphia is Mixed young men mostly of color and then older people car crashes and balls and things like that typical shower population so There's definitely still kobe. Positive patients coming in every day and we just usually if there i mean depending on how injured they are sick they are. They have to go to the operating room before there's test his back so we just treat them as if they of code and then sometimes we find out they don't sometimes you find out they do mean. I feel like i saw a picture of your mom. Did get to meet antonio ago She met him before. I went back to work because that was the very really tough decision to make because I knew that going back to work. I would potentially be exposed to covid. And so we didn't want to have her potentially be exposed and that time like where i worked. I wasn't getting tested regularly. And there weren't tests available really for the community So we took antonio there so he was little i mean he was like probably almost two months old and we just decided that was going. Be the last time that we would get to see her until things got figured out because we wanted to get exposed to covid. Even if i wasn't sick you know tabby exposed is. I didn't know yeah and so so that's great that she got to to me. I know that a lot of families. It feels like i'm hearing that folks are starting to make it back out but it's all like we haven't seen family in years. How about arlo has Has mom been able to see a arlo anytime soon. Yeah there was a time where we are half the time with their dad so there was a time where the was with me for like eleven days and so on the ten day felt like we quarantined for ten days. We could go visit her and we stayed overnight. Think i'll remember. This isn't going to summer And then otherwise we occasionally will drive up in the car and sit outside of her apartment and she makes grilled cheese and we eat that in the car and she says also car and we can talk a little bit to the window when we first started doing this. The risk was to my mom But now my mom's fascinated i'm vaccinated an arlo is not vaccinated. An arlo has asthma. So now we're still doing the same thing but now by contention is to keep arlo safe. So we're kind of is predicting that the axial be approved for your young kids in september october. So we're just trying to hold out until then what i'd like to know from you both is talk to me about what you believe has translated or carried through from how your mother raised you to how you're raising your own kids. Being a mom is still pretty new to me and also because my kid starts he just started really like doing stuff recently I would say like. I'm definitely keeping an open mind. About what is interests will be and trying to communicate with him on his terms and letting him be at however he is so. He's a pretty easy going kid. He's honestly like a very easy to take care of tumbler as forest toddlers go But definitely trying to like get on his level and figure out what he's trying to communicate. I think that's important. But i also think that that's like instilled by our mom thing. I think some of the same stuff. Like i definitely am just accepting of our levin are low so like i never i thought there was a boy and then when arlo is in kindergarten they like. I'm not a boy or girl. I'm with them i'm a day everyday cool And then recently in first grade Their school taught them what trans means so transit lane. Dr stinkier certain gender when they're boring. But then you realize that. You're not that tender louis psycho trans and i was like okay. I was actually confused. Because i didn't know that definition of trends and i was like okay okay into a little bit of time to figure out I think for sure just being accepting of are low. In mike whatever identity they have Or like whoever they wanna be. I hope that they will want. They will continue to be a good person And then definitely like supporting interests is important to you and my mom did that. You know joe now before Being a surgery fellow you've were. You're a resident for several. Years is an understatement. Yes seven was. It was seven seven your resident for seven years. I mean i think for for anyone who's listening. I always try to think of this. In terms of there is a young girl listening. Who wants to be. So what is the resident. And like is that a big deal. A resident is somebody that has finished medical school so after college. You get your bachelor's degree and then if you decide you want to go to medical school you go for four more years to graduate school to medical school and then you get an md or a do after your name and all that means is that your doctor and doesn't mean that you actually not care. People means that you learned a lot of science and so to learn how to be a doctor. You go to residency. And there's all kinds of residencies and all kinds of specialties. Family medicine surgery urology Emergency medicine anesthesia. Like all kinds of stuff. Whatever kind of doctor you want to be and residency can be three years or seven is really the max and it depends on what specialty you want to do. And what path you're taking And then when you're a resident your first year is your intern year. And that's when you are responsible for very little. Your samaria supervised the your first year being a doctor in the hospital And as you progress through the years you get more responsibility and then when you're almost finished with your residency that's when you get the most autonomy and you get to sort of practice. What it's like to be a doctor without supervision. When you finish your residency you can cipriani specialty boards. So whatever specialty went or we went through residency for the boards that you can take and if you wanna do sub specialty training then you go fellowship. So that's what i'm in now. So i finished. General surgery residency. I took half of my general surgery boards and the other half is in like three weeks. Contends and i'm in trauma surgery surgical critical care and cure surgery fellowship. It sounds like three things. But it's really like one big thing and there's only one boards per for the specialty that i'll take off and then my fellowship is two years and then i'll be done after and then what happens after that. I just get a job as a trauma surgeon. Somewhere preference for philly No preference wherever there's jobs we'll see but there's gotta be jobs everywhere but the pandemic sort of put a big damper on hiring so we'll see even for healthcare professionals. Yeah so Basically anything that was like an option. A lot of budgets shifted because all the elective electric procedures elective. Things hospital do for money were cancelled per year so Any jobs that were opened that they were like expanding those are gone. And then now they're mostly replacing people that leave so the job market is not awesome. But it's like. I don't have to start trying to find a job until like the fall winter. We'll see we'll so so that's oh and then before that you were paramedic for many years. Yeah before i went to medical so i graduated from college with a civil engineering degree. And then i work listener. What is that. it's like It's like the matt sides of buildings and roads like the infrastructure of cities so it can be like utilities like you're building like big sewer pipes and water pipes and stuff like that or it can be land development where you move around dirt to make places for buildings to get built. It can be structural engineering where you help design. What steel beams are needed for a building. An architect designs or concrete what kind of concrete you need. And what sort of stuff goes into like pouring concrete I was designing parking lots for a time which was interesting but i realized that i wanted to do something outside of an office although oddly i'm in an office currently so yeah so i became a paramedic and then worked for two years and then decided i wanted to do something else in healthcare plan medical school at workout. And then nabet all you did. Was you just you dance and You got a couple degrees in now. You code right yeah yeah disappeared she nbd. I left I left school early and dance for around ten years and then i decided that i would need a bachelor's degree so that i could buy a house when they ll started going to college I just decided to major in chemistry. 'cause it was fine It was like math heavy math. And then i ended up transferring to the number for rates school the country for chemistry and finished a bachelors and a masters of science fair and someone was like you should go to grasp what was like. Okay fantine to lake Eleven grad schools night was accepted. So i did a phd columbia. Mine took eight years. Yes normally it's five. I had a baby and a divorce and mine and also changed my research after shears. So my took eight years and i finished Johnson nineteen. I wanted to be happy and have a good work life balance so i had met some people that were content hussein taffy and to have good work life balances and i decided to coding bootcamp side to that. And then i worked as a teaching fellow at that bootcam- while interviewed. He got a job at the january twenty. Starting in march of two thousand twenty working on march seventeenth twenty twenty. I was finally there. I wrote on boarding. They're they're really great and they're still great and i got promoted promoted. Are you sick. Software engineer engineer your two now so for engineering to shop. Yes season one episode five. You need to listen to nevada. Bailey's story so i think what was really like on spiring from that episode and then also just i mean again i i know you joe now but the fact that like you all seem to be would you say it's fair to characterize booth as not risk averse Yeah i mean. Definitely i think risk. I don't know i don't really like what is really like i'd be like a mom. Made us feel like things would work out. You know like and that makes you able to be brave and do things so you know like i wasn't happy in my job as a designer so i quit it. I didn't really have like another plan. I work as a barista for minimum wage in california And then eventually moved back to new york and decided to go to paramedic school you know and then turns out that doesn't pay well But i really like the job. So i also wanted to buy a house at some point so i had to make a plan to have more money and so You know. I don't yet but like sunday. Well i definitely do not have any more lake have way less money now after all that and no house so the so the bachelor degree does not translate to having a house now when you go into like one of the top institutions in the country. And you have to pay for it. Which loans knives. Maybe it will like. I don't know for me doing your now working as an engineer. And then you know. I would have a house by now for sure but i didn't and went to medical and went to one of the most expensive medical schools in the country and had to paper that well. When does it pay off. Because that's i mean that's a pretty common and i do have a. I do want to circle back to the brewery. But i think that's a common misconception that people have about doctors a lot of money. Yeah so when when lebron eventually yeah so that it's when you're done with your training and but the whole thing is that in the meat so you make money not a lot but you make money as a resident is a job and you make money as a fellow you get a like definitely livable wage. I am not struggling at all that my days of meeting to eat rahman are over. I just like it. And so i still eat it but I have i have student loans for medical school however doctors are great investments. And so people wanna give us mortgages and car loans and like all kinds of credit cards and all kinds of stuff because they know that first of all we signed contracts so like. We're gonna finish training barring some catastrophe and then when we finish training where i make more money. So we're you know all these businesses that think that we're going to spend money with them if they invest in us when we're not making that much money. They hope that will give them more money when we have it. And so you still can like you know. I still had a mortgage during residency. Did by place and you know. I had a car. Had car payments like functioned as regular adult that like had a salary and could buy things But i'm not sleeping on a mattress of money like many people think doctors do. I don't necessarily think that will ever happen But i'll definitely make probably like. I know four or five times more than making now in the year and a half just like in year and a half yet job. Yep does all of a sudden. So what i wanted to focus on the fact that you won't you mentioned bravery yourself and you know the the risk the the risk friendliness or the bravery that you all have like does that come from and how are you able to. How are you thinking about in particular eugene. Because i know you said no antonio's fourteen months old but thinking about how you're going to instill that in instill that in your your children. I feel like by example like our mom always made us feel like we can do whatever we set our minds to do and we have done that because she did it. Like a small town in west virginia and she wanted to get away from there to go to college and she did dementia like on her own. Yeah like it was. Her parents needed repairs at a college education and she went to offer phd. So i that's cool. And then she was like i'm gonna live in new york city which is not an easy city to live in and she did that. Do do you all think You know we are almost a year from george floyd staff almost a year. What do you think has changed. I am in Hospitals and the inertia of this of the professional healthcare field is really difficult to overcome. There's there are definitely Efforts by my various employers over the past few years to change the culture. But like there's more are. I don't know there's different issues. Different pressing issues in the obviously like our immediate worlds like pandemic or like taking care of sick people or whatever it is that you're doing as a specialty so i think it's hard for me to see what's changing in the world because i'm so surround unlike in this bubble and i spent so much time in this bubble that it's hard to even know like what's happening in the news. I was just trying to read about what's happening in israel and palestine and it's like hard to keep up with like things that changed day to day when it's groundhog day over here. You know like and. I spent so many hours in the hospital. It's hard to keep track of what's going on and outside world so Things have changed here like things have changed in the hospital Were told like not to make any mandatory meetings on june team by email. And i was like whoa. It's not a national holiday. But like that school the recognizing it as an day. That's into some of its employees. And you know. I'm at academic institution so i Have a lot of focus on this on the community that we serve and trying to improve the situation for the other pandemic. That's happening which has gun violence. And so there's something that's interface every single day. So i don't know about the rest of america. Or what's twits changing in terms of like some of the other issues but here for focus on trying to decrease violence in the media surrounding community in the city and then obviously on a more national scale and it's we don't need reminders for motivation we have the reminders every single day in the trauma bay you know no i definitely think things have changed just made me think of like some specific. I mentioned i think that the response from white people about when they hear of racism i think is changing has not changed obviously for all white people but there are a lot of people like people who did it listen to us previously until twenty twenty about our experiences for like that are now more interested in hearing us and are really interested in actually doing something about it including other And so that. I think that is still a minority of white all. But there's this sense of empowerment in institutions and i want to say that not all institutions and not especially not large institutions but recently near city My child has has a private school. An independent school they call them Apparent of another independent school wrote the letter that became viral complaining that their kids independent school was to focus on race and that the focus on race was racism itself and quoted. Martin luther king even in this letter and you can go find it is on the internet But i think you know. Five years ago i feel confident in saying that the average independent school response would have been like. Yeah maybe you're right like we want you to still pay tuition and were willing to modify behavior to make sure that our parents are satisfied and in two thousand and twenty twenty one. It was like by. We don't need you to be here. We think it's important for us to talk about race. This is not a post racial society. We want our communities all supported. We're going to do what we can. And i was like that's fabulous different. That's definitely not i just. I think that that's and i feel like that's because there are more white people who recognized that this. There's a serious issue that needs to be solved and that there are systems in each be torn down and like i. I really promising. Yeah i've been surprising. Conversations to like Inevitably talking about things that are happening around the country and racism and And and to have people say like. I feel like i wanna do something but i'm not sure what to do. You know or say like i know that this is a problem but how do we solve it is. Somebody had the gun. Violence and urban communities is a problem. How do we solve this problem. what can i do. I just feel like i'm here on the back. Ken taking care of people that are shot like is there any way i can make a make a difference other than to take care of people that are shot and like that's a question to ask. I don't necessarily have the answer but like the fact that somebody's thinking about that we're at whereas they may not have been thinking about it in that way before. I mean that's a step in the right direction. What do you feel is the responsibility of black people in this conversation. Here breath easy bike. We survived by people have been trying have been fighting for hundreds of years in america and it is time that we we should not need to do that anymore. I think there it's not like i don't think we should just lay back and let people take this on but i mean if it was possible for black people to fight hard enough for racism to end. Racism would be over from my perspective. White people have to end racism because reality and white people are in power and so like. They're the ones that need to end racism. They're finally starting to listen. But i think that people need to take care of themselves yet like she said black people need to survive and people can like. There's there's a really interesting discussion about laid. A lot of companies are starting to have diversity and inclusion initiatives and those those roles have historically been filled by people of color and more recently. There are now like why people who are really interested in filling these roles about diversity inclusion and so there's the trade off of lake. That was the job. That's like high up in you know An executive level jobs. Sometimes that usually goes to a person's color that may not be going to a person of color but also like is it not time for white people have to take on the job of educating other white people and doing the work dismantle racist systems so that people can just exist and also constantly fight for their own existence. I think so. I think it is time that we have on also think that There is there are opportunities over black people to be allies for all the intersectional identity like there are a lot of lgbtq people who are black or other you know people of color that need support that are still being behind Trans like black. Trans women are being killed at high number in america and nobody's really talking about it except for the communities that they are in so there there's definitely room for work like even within our own community to be supportive of people who are more myers is But for sure like race. I'm thankful that it seems like the work is is awful for other people who are not the ones that are experiencing oppression to take up the job of education being so. I think it's like anything else. If you look at like the way things have changed in the past right like how did we get to vote. It wasn't because a bunch of women got it were able to change the constitution right. It's because men decided that women should be able to vote so unless the people that are in the empower oppressing the minority. Decide that it's to make a change. The minority can't play. It's not gonna change so black people have been fighting. It's exhausting and it's exhausting on an individual level and then with social media and the way the news is in two thousand twenty one. It's exhausting on stomach level and like there's no escaping any of it right you don't get a break and so black will should be taken care of their own physical emotional mental health and not be held responsible for teaching white people what to do or how to do it or how what the next thing is that they need to do to make a change just surviving so one thing that was. I don't know that we talked about a too much. But what has dating been like. I know i've asked about about this. I have a lot save up this scoring. i have left to say so. I'll go for mine short so when you don't have time dating is not a priority right when you're like in medical school or residency especially early on. You're not really in charge of your schedule. Your time really belongs to job and so dating on a priority Eventually get some of your time back. And then as like a woman in my mid thirties. I was like actually going date so i went on bumble and i went on a date and now we wanted to have kids wait. This was a bumble. This was like this was on the first day it was my first bumblebee. Whoa you should do an ad. Yeah not gonna do that. I know you're not gonna. But why would i hadn't been on a date and six months. I was at work. I was like. Wow i haven't been on a date in six months. Like i randomly started. That and i was like that makes me like a huge loser as you go on a date. Yeah so i went on bumble. And i was like on a date i dunno vets. That's not necessarily his story. I don't know how many days he was on. But i only went on one. Bumblebee irrelevant. We're talking about your story. Yeah so what. Russian he is was he played football. He's retired. I didn't really have to ask whether or not he was an athlete so investing about him being athlete is that he understands the high level commitment. That my job requires because that's what his job required. That is excellent. Yeah men see you made. It seem way easier now. I would like to now. Because now i definitely i told you we should work. It's really easy now. I think that i can count the number of days that i've been on from. I haven't. I'm on every app like that. I'm not on every app on all the major apps. I get tired of them. My new year's resolution for twenty twenty one wants to spend fifteen minutes swiping every day It's like it's going fine And that was just like i. I mean. I haven't got on a deal for a long time because there's a pandemic but like i'm not like raise ready to be out there like going on dates five nights a week like this was just like i should start meeting people who are single and maybe talking to them and i don't even know how to begin to explain what a disaster it is like being single in brooklyn with a phd. And like you know. I think cute cute and i was hd and when they meet especially men on dating apps there. Like i i kind of. I'm not sure what approach to take. And i've been iterating on it like. Should i be up front. Like i know what i want. I'm very educated. I have most things like. I have everything that i wanted my life except i would be nice to have a partner if you can contribute anything like hit me up but if you can't contribute anything in you're gonna take like don't talk in your dating profile. Basically just before you even match i it does it says that i don't watch as much as i used to use to say things okay. Same pictures though like back And but i also have now screening questions. Because i'm just like we're just going to get to the point because i also feel like might play my time as time. I'm not interested in this long. Like how's your day like what's your favorite. I don't care. I don't want to know about that that you don't even get to know listening to me until you tell me. Do you objectify women. Do you think that you're in possession of your partner's body do you. Are you secure enough that you can date someone. That's way better than you. Because i am for sure way better than you like. Are you going to be comfortable with that. Do you know that. I'm better than you. And you're comfortable dating someone that's better than you and you're never gonna be good enough for me 'cause like looking for so far. No not met that person. This was great before we end. I have three questions to ask you both here. We go first question is what is one song that you could listen to on. Repeat for the rest of your days. Firefighters were long coldplay. Delo your favorite meal to be made for you not by you but for you. I mean all meals should be made for me. I don't understand the question. I have a better answer. Chilly chilly chilly. And no one ever thinks it as good as i do secret reservations. I wanna go. I wanna i wanna professional chef. Whatever so. you're gonna go with reservations there. You go thinking outside the box one of them and then last question. What is one piece of advice that you could provide to someone that you received that was impact on your life. Just you can do it. Just try. I would say talk to somebody. That's doing the thing that you think. You might wanna do simple yet. So profound dr john bailey doctrine vet bailey. Thank you ladies. It's been a pleasure. Thanks again for listening to today's technically two hundred episode. Don't forget to subscribe visit us at technically. Two hundred dot com.

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Episode #227: Whatever It Takes

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Episode #227: Whatever It Takes

"This is John Bailey. The epic voice of honest trailers. And you're listening to the five fan girls podcast. It's a fan girls podcast with five ish. People the tangents at squeeze will continue squeeze. You all the way to episode two hundred twenty seven out of hand. Sorry, Steve Rogers, I had a session with my husband cars. He should search. I have. I'll talk. I'm joy. Virtual table in see who's just this week. This is in Bethlehem. This is Rachel listen. The irony. That was really weird we've ever been this. This is in almost five years duty this show. But life gets in the way life houses, the things we're not gonna get into people's personal things. But we are a little short of the five ish. But that being said it is not just print unite. We have some very cool. Awesome up fellow geeks and caulk casting friends that have volunteered to join us in our what will be of sure it extensive therapy session. Houses. Thanos affected yields. Therapy one. Oh one. So let Stu ladies. I, of course, lose version cats. Oh that would be me. I'm just what he's called a lady. And so low. Here a gal. I guess. Yes. Yes. Hello. I'm leelee. I happy to be here. Big fan of the show. And I usually am on a history podcast like women's history. So this is really fun to actually like nerd out gig out, and yes, big marvel fan. So I'm ready for this. And I need the therapy. I really do. Yep. Can only do so much over a chat in Facebook messenger. Yes. You cry because I need to know if you're right. Oh, and our our one gentleman. Those me gentleman me. And Canadian which reach you, then more gentlemanly. Just north of the wall woods polio. Volume side is seriously was there was a mix of rain. But there were snowflakes falling when I looked at my window twenty minutes, it was just atmosphere. So when you for what you gave last night exactly looks like home. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm I'm Ryan I'm pug testing with the is usually told you find the true nerds, you know, two thirds dot CA dot com. I don't even remember anywhere. And it looks working find it Kevin's been on before. And so back night. You'll remember is a pilot test from him, but he is rehearsing for one of his many plays that he always seems to do. But he's great. You always complains about not having the time is I'm not gonna do another play Nakata's play those. I wanna do this play like stay away from the audition table, exactly. That's okay would figured say miss. We can say, okay. We knew him when. Oh, right. So at this point spoiler alert. Listening is not seen a vendor yet. Why are you listening to this? Go away tickets. Fiat is go buy your tickets for like six weeks from now because that's probably sold out until then. Oh by I wanted. I wanted to see it at least once more before recording this, and I couldn't because all the screenings that fit into my schedule awful. Right. Valley. It's amazing. But it has made one point two billion dollars opening. Only. Is so cool. So, yeah, I guess I guess the the pack theaters. And he sold out screenings shows pays if the. Fox officer sees so we're having Feigen has patting himself on the back saying that was a that was five billion dollars. Very well then. Yeah. It was raved to even get there. I mean, that's does some Kony's to be like, well, we're we're gonna do twenty two movies. You know, we're going to lead up, and then we're going to see if there's a big payoff at the end. And that's a gamble. Just didn't people to be mostly involved one yet long story for that long? Right. Oh, I who kind of fell off. You know what? I mean. Like, I think it was around the work. I'm not really feeling for and then they just kind of unplugged. And I'm like, no, no, no, Honey, you gotta be all in. Gotta go character. You don't care that much about. But because they're going to introduce you to somebody you do so. Yeah. Well, we'll get into the very specific plot points here in a in a moment. But just this being the culmination of the tasks now eleven years of just movie and world building in introducing all of these characters and not just your your most well known characters yo your IRA manager, captain America's your stores, but the guardians of the galaxy. It man. Everybody wrote off. They're like. Yeah. We'll get into plays. A big part in this movie. The hardest. Really? Yeah. You know, it's like, you know, in reference saying things that had happened in previous movies, including some of the movies that people had written off like four the dark world. Nice thought it would be so important. So, but I things I really quick. Let's let's go around the the the taste of virtual table here. And just kind of give your overall thoughts of avengers and game. If you can find the words. I don't know if I can. I really big facilities. Let's go fos. Yes. You guys could fight over. Which would be was local loses. I o. No. That was nice. But just mean. I see what you do in there. All right now, I fell. I know. It's fine. I'm playing I'm totally playing. To your goodness. I would probably have my overall thoughts was the journey was worth it. And that would probably be my like, log line statement of investing time in these characters was totally worth it. They knew what buttons for me as the fan to hit of what my favorite lines were. What would get me screaming? And you know, it'd be like yes, also they knew what would kill me. And they did that. Which we'll get. But I thought that this was like an epic. This was an epic on like Gilgamesh. You know, what I mean like a beginning middle and end like three times over of restarts and restarts. And now we're going on this new and the way that they wrote it, and I know that they didn't write it all completely all at once. So the way that they kind of like found it as they were going it could have gone so wrong. But they nailed it. So many times they cut dropped the ball somewhere. But they didn't. So I'm I'm super happy. All the right buttons ticked all the right boxes. Whatever the other phrases are. That's that's my overall. I totally agree with you on everything you just said, it's all the holy shit moments. It it may be crying, though, they'll be multiple times sticking little figure under my three d glasses to wipe away a tear to it's like, and they were still good tears. Sad tears. I believe I'm seeing this tears. I don't know if there's anything that. I would have anything else. I wanted to see this movie that they didn't show us or didn't put it in here in a lead up to a you one of their going to show us in this movie. I wanna see it again. I can't wait to see it again. I haven't seen it again. But. Yeah. I don't know. What to say is what can you say? Without getting into all the details of all the things that I loved about it. Great. Next. You guys said almost everything. Sucks to go. I and it's good to go. I at the same time. Poking into the details. I've been a fan since pretty much to beginning. I had no idea. It was going to become this big thing. Especially my life of like. Wait, how it? They ended this park. Does. Like, you said Jordy was definitely won't it. And. Both. Go to the source dot com. I need words for amazing. Awesome. Shocking. Every abortion, you could possibly think of I quote. Oh that's fair. Yeah. It is an emotional roller coaster all over the place. Good way. Absolutely. Yeah. I just. Honestly like I wanted to like. When the movie was over. I just wanted to jump up for my see just Hooton holler. Mike said tweets to the Rousseau's saying, I don't know how you guys pull this off. But yawns are something. All the words. It's just I got into the the fandom a little late not too late, but kind of got dragged kicking and screaming, really. And I've talked about this before in previous MC discussions about how when the literally the same day the ferry. First iron man was released all his attitude off. Nate was the same day that Chauncey asked me out. Oh, our relationship is kind of been intertwined with the MC you because he went and saw it in the reconnected on face the, and then we meet at least started talking, and he's telling me about how as it this movie was I had no idea what the hell he was talking about. And then he's you know, was they started coming out a DVD. He would he would try to show them. And then like, yeah. Whatever is the thing. And then we graduate. We gradually did undergrad. And then we both. Decided to go in. To grad school, we've decided to go to grad school because we graduate the same time as the economic crisis. Go. It's like, hey, you work for the university. So your tuition practically paid for it. I married you. So I get a discount. Let's all grad school. But in the process of of grad school because of our program, you don't necessarily do a thesis or anything you just cut. You have to do like a final project and Chauncey was really getting diverse reality at all have been a reality. So he wanted to create something using that. And he dragged me into it because he's like, well, then we can work together. Because then that makes it easier for the both of us technically working on the project is the school that you do that. And he decided that the to be built around the MC you tweet. So we got he dragged me into it along with a couple of classmates that were undergrads, but that's a whole thing that I've discussed some other episodes, but we ended up creating this whole big project based around captain America. And iron, man. We we built a attraction for the dizzy theme. Parks from scratch. We can't I we came up with the ride. Dodgers the storyline of actual rights building. I go to a scale model for it. I created casper, costumes. We created you know, like media that would go with it. And this whole thing as Chauncey built part of the ride. So that people could play with it at what we showed off our senior project. So in the process of being part of this project, I had to really immerse myself in the lore of what the MCAT adults of it made sense as far as can was considered. Somewhere between Catherine America's the first venture in the event. Juries I was completely hooked. I a bigger fan of the MC you now than Chauncey is. Subpoenaed the master. It's a very dangerous thing when you take on apprentice, you really? So to to see this culmination of all of these movies and all these stories at all this cannon this plot. A try to keep it all straight in all of these characters. And I mean, we said this will be did a review of Infinity war on paper. This should not work. Shouldn't the all of these characters breaks cases? Yeah. It does. And this even more should not work. But it does it really hours. I mean the movies. They not kidding when they say the red type three hours, it is three hours. Then let it is stuffed full of just so much plot. A character at wrapping up loose ends from previous movies and Bill potentially lane groundwork for going forward into the next phase. But I was able to keep track. I understood what was happening the entire time. I was able to keep track. What was going on even though I did not know where we were going. And how this is all gonna play out. I was kept my attention at. I had no problem following for the tires realities, and that's magical because that's very very hardy to I come from a filmmaking background. So for ten years. I was an independent filmmaker. So my goodness seeing what they do on such an epic scale. I'm I'm a little always kind of like behind the curtain. You know what I mean? Like, okay. No seriously. No, that's a cool shot. But how'd you do it? You know what I mean? But there's a magic that. They were pulling them out. Even know this is no that's about my pay grade. See like the behind the scenes specials in the on DVD, Blu Ray, get to see like all those. Yeah. A lot of it's going to be just on green screen. It's going to be a lot of them just screamed going, I don't know what's going on. I mean, Jimmy Fallon interview with Brie, licet, breathe LifeZette Larsen, and we go today going she filmed endgame before they had a script for captain marvel. Yeah. So no idea. Yeah. So I'm like, okay. That's. Be doing. It'll be really interesting to to find out. What was reused footage? Does. Different angle from writing to the movies versus did they reshoot that like the whole down deportment was she actually onset shooting that or is that just unused herd? Yes. Over really found. I think a lot of it. They had to because there's some desperate camera angles. If not it's computer generated. Exactly. Yeah. Role could you know leftover craft? They didn't use they were just inserting rocket who's a digital character. Yeah. It might be all of the above. I guess I imagine something like this. They took every tool at their disposal and was like we're going to do this. Or this is this this this ever gonna use the thing we never done before? And it's also where the credits are like eight minutes long. Exactly. Yeah. Waded through all of that to you. Do you do? You stay regardless. Tell me exactly you stay. I was bad. I didn't stay. Had you already heard. There was nothing. There was no end and credits. Yeah. I was there with with you. Who saying yes, the thing that it's it's a hammer on it end Ville. It's it's a thing to move into that that might be. Thing for a number of reasons that I think a lot of people don't realize so but we'll get to that as we get into the plot. So I guess let's start getting into the actual plot than I have no idea how we should go about this, man. I know the place I tried to do this like chronologically or by character or we're just going to. I think we're probably just gonna bounce around more than likely. I guess if you really want to break this down the movie does hind it. Probably have to squint alone. Turn a little sideways. I guess technically does have the traditional three act structure issue. It does twice actually. But yeah, put it in not it even chunks like if you really wanted to like the break, the movie down to the life three chunks. You have like what we get like from the snap to the first time job, which is three weeks. We get Hawkeye. Like, the very first thing we get as Hawkeye at home with his family, teaching his daughter had shoot a bow. And arrow we seize got ankle brace Alon just like Scotland had an Amazon man the loss. So because we don't talk the same plea deal as Scott did. And they're out on the farm. You know, the boys are running around being boys, you know, Laura's making hot dogs, apparently one of the boys mayonnaise hotdogs, reges desisting. But what was aboard? Mannies? Yeah. Oh, oh, yes. There's two of us. Remember, Rachel on. All right. Let's go battle it out. But we don't actually see them disappear. But Scott's family gets snapped their their part of the seventy Clohessy. Yeah. Yeah. Always see is the just the we see a little bit of the dust from his daughter, and then his wife and kids are gone. That's it. But that's a good reminder. It's like just in case in the past year. Maybe you, you know, you thought you'd gotten over it. I don't feel so good. Ryan anymore. Right. Start crying. Legion. Chest. Yeah. Real. Here's when with that open. Like like, oh, look at talk. I in Hispanic. Okay. This is only ended two. This is good of toda-. Yeah. Which I like, I totally expected clint's family to get snap because that made obvious motivation for him to go all Ronin in on everybody. Yeah. It's actually see it and see his reaction to it. And of course, he has no idea because he's the question on his farm, which is probably out in the middle of BFA somewhere. So he has no idea what? My daughter who's fifteen turned to me is soon as it was on the farm, and she's like they're going there. And I'm like punk Karan. Yeah. Not going to be good. Yes. So we get to the three weeks essentially since the the Sav, and we see how people are doing not. So well. And this really just this chunk of time is really the rescue of Tony and nebula and getting them back to earth too. I guess Brig is much of the game back together as possible. And that's when we get that see that was the trailer of Tony recording his message to pepper in the ironman helmet. Although before that him, and we see we get a little like a little bit of montages of how he and nebula hit that tried to pass their time of three weeks. They've been stop here. Like, they managed to get a little bit of power in the engines that it only lasted for couple of days their food and water is running out, and we see that'd be giving. Tony like the last one of the ration packs, probably because she's not completely, you know? Not humid because she was ever accused. Material left than they drop. It probably really needs a lot of foods water. She does eat. We saw that guardians to. That's right. Okay. Does he really wanted that for that? Route. He wasn't fresh. It was still I miss zooming. They probably because that's such a little amount of screen time. That was probably done CGI. I don't think Robert Downey junior pulled. You know, Brad pitch or so the other air. Christian bale and lost a ton of weight. That was probably all the CGI much better at that. So. Oh, really hard to look and see Tony stark, look, so emaciated. I used to Robert Downey junior when he was hooked on drugs. So I've seen him like. That was the first thing. I thought of is Honey, I don't like this look. Yeah. Yeah. It just it. It was really it broke my heart to to see him like that. And I think to nobody's surprise because as I fully expected it, but Carol captain marvel is the one that saves them. Wish Baker which. Yeah. She showed up not long after the snap in her post credit of her movie, you know, because the pager Nick fury pager gotten to her. She got the message, and it showed up, and we could probably it's never explicitly explained. But we can probably assume that rocket probably informed her at least two how to find the ship. Yeah. So when that rocket probably has something to that. Because I was quilt shift that they were on produced. I'm kind of low jacker code or whenever protracted. Yeah. Probably I did why we're actually kinda talking about the scene with them floating. Did it remind anybody else kind of like the original ironman movie member when Tony's in the cave, and they're trying to? Your way out of it. Felt like a little little throwback. He just a little bit. Like, I like this. Well. But then tone the Tony in nebula elegant back to to earth Antonis reunited with pepper 'cause pepper did survive this nap, which is good. Yeah. Tony's done. This point. Tony's just done. He does not. He does not want like they they everyone else's like we got an idea where fan doses, you know, we could fix this. We just need to get him. Give the gauntlet snapper fingers and everything will be fixed. And he wants nothing to do with it like he's in dark dark place, which you can't blame him. No. You can't get Tony is running through hell in eleven years you between, you know, the everything that happened in the very first Ireland the cave in Afghanistan and all that and then his PTSD from the battle in the yours. And then the the civil war issues. He's done really deal for that. And then. Yeah. Britain losing his best friend of top of the guts tests. It having you know, the the kid that he probably sees someone is a surrogate son like literally disintegrate in his arms. On titan. It's like I I can't blame Tony for just how pissed off. He was he's like, I don't like, no, I'm done. He's like, I'm pulling my via out and screwy all I'm out of here. Right. Stiff it it's fine. It is what it is. It's completely within this character. I totally I totally see that. But then the rest of the game is like is like, okay. Well, we still gonna try and do this and fix us. And of course, Carol is like I'm going to kill fantasy. Why don't they let her because she could? I'm like end of movie, and I'm still good with it. Three hours long. But right, but I would have closure. Yes. If that closure so. Yeah. And we'll the they do what explanation? They do. Give makes complete sense. Once we get the the the five year time job, but we'll get to that as of their their use or lack of us, depending on how you look at it of captain marvel. But at least as far as the fans that did the snap in Infinity war. We do get colder. I wouldn't say I'm satisfied. Because. Yeah. Because they end up going to say does, you know, his his garden retreat farm thing. Yeah. We we we see how Carol is how powerfully she has compared with us. Although this point this Dan does is damaged. Yeah. Yeah. He's he he was already hurt before he used the gauntlet. A second time, you know, his his arm had been damaged. We could see now that he's even more damage. He's limping his arm is just you know. Just completely like like overcooked peace. And so it really I don't know if as a fair comparison to how strong Carol is to Thanos because he's injured. And then you throw everybody else are almost everybody else on top. And this is so funny because the spaceship going up to the jump point, which we know that there's a joke point right outside of the atmosphere averse because we saw that captain marvel. So thank you. Biased rockets like raise your hands. If you've ever been this. This. What was it? Don't throw my ship. But yeah, they they this around him, they cut off his arm. The got the gauntlet there's those of the gauntlet because he used the gauntlet a second time to do. He uses stones to destroy stones. Right. Would make sense. Like fair. Yeah. I like we're only like twenty minutes into the movie. So yeah, I guess there's gotta be a road bump right now would be a major one. And then Thor goes in make sure he actually aimed for the head this time. So. I was really torn on that seat because I liked that the thord learned and was feeling very regretful about not aiming for the head last time. But there was a big part of me that needed nebula to kill her father. There was just part of me that needed that moral justification and to see her kind of like stand back a little bit. And almost fall into a like, okay. So nebulous still working stuff out. So I hope we touch on this and we do later. So I wanted the nebula revenge. And so it was kind of for me. Yeah. I think a lot of people will probably were making expecting that. Because if the comic she is the one that we'll. Right. Exactly. I tell my daughters at the end of Infinity war, don't worry that girls are gonna fix it meeting and kept apart full. Just ninety the girls, we'll fix it. It'd be. Girl down later. Yes, we did. So so let me get this time. That's kind of like that. I like I third. You not an hour is. Yeah, it's not even really an hour into the V. Have you can't evenly divide? The movie is the three hours. This is probably in the first thirty minutes at most right? And we get the we finally get like the movie title screen. Know, what are we want you to go? Oh, yeah. You mean that stuff detective Pika chew? Weeks too early. Probably why be Whibley wildly. It's like, wait. Where's chucky? I thought this was trawled. Whole lot there. Maybe. So then we get this time jump five years and really get to see like how the world has adjusted to what they're calling the decimation which. Yes, or something? Yeah. Especially it's called the decimation. What they're calling it. I liked to snap winning much better stamping. Stamping. Mason just as a bit of it too dark. I think I don't know I've tried to make it not. Brevity. I guess this entire thing dusted. We're looking at dusted or they got dusted. I don't know where do we got that from? Does like start playing Kansas in the background? Dustin wails. Yeah. He just. Been here. All too soon. Don't you? They fixed it and it still zoom. It's still triggering man. So we we see kind of they're in need like the vendors was the left. They're still like in New York area for the most part Natasha is still HQ with a the building. They the compound they made upstate New York. And she's kind of trying to keep tabs of what's happening at least on earth Yuri almost she's just kind of scary. But she's not happy about it. And nobody really wants that job at this point. Now. But she she needs. She needs something to do that. This is her personality. She can't sit just a good person for the Joan because she can try to separate the emotion from it from the get stuff done from it. So it was the best one for it. I mean, even cat was bright. Not a good one for it. Now. No cap is it like group therapy sessions with other people trying to talk it out, and the, you know, people just trying to the got one care one guy. That's, you know, gone on his first date since the the snapping and. Here's the south. Oh, yeah. And then actually one of the other people in the group, there's an older gentleman. That's like kind of bold. He's actually the guy that created they those. Oh, yeah. That's true. So, you know, it's Steve, you know. Of course, Steve is Steve always the optimist. No matter what. A love of them. Yeah. Trying to try to to help the fellow people that are are left behind and at this point. Well, they'll tasha's hair's grown out and carols got haircut, which Brockett points out is like, what are you? Do. You know, they're good. Just going to look into captain marvel movie. Fight on here. Cuts. Right. Right. She totally looks more like the comics in this one. Yeah. I don't I don't I I don't know. It's probably purely coincidental. That it's gotten to the, you know, would like between Carol and Natasha like you could tell where they are based on their hair, you could cut it do that with Dr Who was Peter cappelli. It starts at really close. Like, really sure if by the time it gets his regeneration. He's got like this like. White man afro thing going on like our Garfunkel. Yeah. It's like you could tell exactly where is and his it is it is it is it storyline based. So hope it you out. We won't cause. Meanwhile, like, you know, Romanoff's 'cause players out there like David I got to do another wig right now. Like, they're really that mad about it. I do. I love O'Hare Indus. It is cool with the brain of really loved that. Look if I get home. And it kinda shows. It's like it's gotten to the point where it's like, she just doesn't care. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, I I don't I'm not concerned about dyeing, my hair or whatever it's like this little girl. None of the run anymore. Well, yeah, that's true to his are you going gonna run from? And then we get humans at this point your own self. Yeah. Yeah. Really? And we get the comment from Carol about the fact that you know, because she she went she needs to leave and go do her they and rocket makes his comment get into the haircut. And she's like a free information. There's thousands of other planets, so we're affected by this to a they don't have you, which is a really good point. Because like, we're so earth focused, right? It's not like they says said you'll get a eliminate fifty percent of all life on earth. He said the universe. So. Yeah. There are innumerable other planets within this universe that lost half of all living creatures. The y. Yeah. And they'll have no they had no idea why. And they don't have the avengers to go and try and help them pick up the pieces. So Carol is kind of being. Solo avenger for the rest of the the universe, which I mean, she's got experienced from different planets. So it makes sense and she can go faster than like the guardians could. Yeah. Yeah. They should still be passed. Right. But it still feels like their strongest person when on walkabout for awhile. Yeah. Like, I don't like this. But she needs to show up. Right. When we needed to show up. So. We'll get to that. So and then we get detached and Rhody talking about Clint. Because Clinton leaving a trail of bodies wherever he goes, thankfully, he's killing all a drug cartels. And yeah. Yeah. Bad guys. But still he's essentially doing what Tashi used to do before she got roped into shield. I guess kind of it away sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, but then we get we get the rat that essentially say. The entire universe. About fourteen million six hundred five futures doctor strange off and the one that he knew worked was the one where a rats want us across the control panel is Scott van. Gamble. To ask. How does the van get from the roof Touma storage you with his name on it? I guess they had to tow it. It's like an impound lot or something. They probably ran the plates to see who owes registered to wouldn't end up in a full storage unit. If it was just that was the case, it would just be recognized somewhere. Unless unless unless unless they got it and ran the plates, and so and they contacted Cassie. Because when see what have been really young at the time. So they're not gonna give her father's fan. But a little kid drew mother be was other guys for the company was the didn't get snapped never saw them. Yes. We don't know what happened to Luiz and. One thing to remember, the all the stepfather is a police officer. We've got a vehicle on a roof. It's registered to this. At least there's that connection there. Uh just put it in a police impound lot. I know who that is true. You got some gray area. And I might be jumping every conclusion, but we are at a time travel movie at a second. Jumped to I totally. I turned it on. But I was how the car. Accepted. Shell is. Well, thank it. Yeah. And then the rat, right? Wrap that saved the universe. I kept seeing that come up with social media. Like people are like you do realize that universal saved by rat much. Oh, wait. Yes. The van. For the plague now is there. That's. Play that she wants to save the universe thing. But I love have scotches get shot out. And just like, yeah, lands hit a pile of just junk. Classic. Where am I got his little wagon full of full of things? Because he has no idea. He has no idea was what was happening. He's he's been gone for five years as far as he was concerned. It was five hours. Right. But it's been five years. Eventually he does get reunited with with Cassie. And of course, she's grown up which we expected there. We'd if you pay attention to the casting news that they were looking for holler Cassie neither. Either try moment for me, though. I was still like. He's looking through the names out the vanished at the monument is just like all my God. Yeah. Just on the just feel by hard. Just come on. No. No. No. And I'm just sitting there was my daughter's going, I can't take it. And I don't think they can. So she to be okay. He's like he's like, I mean, obviously, he's very confused. He's the panic. He has no idea was going on. But still he gets bouncing from like monument to monument to monument. Unlike Scott in alphabetical order by last. He's not the smartest. TV like am. Yeah. Yeah. Spence and stupidity. I understand brain does not fire and also Linders when you're panics, but the best work things like the alphabet. It's still it's yeah. Sure. No, sometimes I've had a off of it. We've all been there. Right. How do we? Stolz weren't merch. Clearly, they didn't say this stone is a to be Nestle don't eat GE or so had the jump around to see at least oath. No. This is the wrong letter. Wrong letter has. He he was awesome play looking for his ex wife. She would have had a different last name. What real? Yeah. Since she's remarried. Remember with that was. Yeah. Let's point. I did not think of that. So which. Yeah. So it's got and Cassie get reunited, I guess we can assume that at least the stepfather survived 'cause she would not be at home when? Yes, still. Yeah. I don't think they would've left a little kid. You know by yourself for five years. Though. But then he he leaves which I'm sure was hard for him it somehow even after sitting in that income lot for five years. He's able to drive that van from San Francisco all the way up state, New York fans are quality and that is up standing quality of. Yeah. And we we get there. The ugly Brown van will survive. Anything? He asks a cockroach about mobile. Oh by so we get that scene. It was in the trailer of Scott talking to the security camera, and they're detach and Steve confused like it's the sold sedition this live, and I guess the drive from San Francisco to New York's got had a lot of time to think it is convinced that they could try and travel. Jets. What kick starts like this? This is like the big chunk of the that three act. Struck is time heist heist. I'm like really you tied into your movie. Yeah, you did. It's like, well, let's reference everything that every movie every used time travel that was I loved them back to the future. References. Oh, my heart was flutter. But if I I've seen and heard several people complain about the whole time travel aspect of this everybody always complains about it. Because they don't understand it. And they don't under- because they don't understand it. And the thing is one just a science fiction, correct? Thank you understand that sit back rival is not a thing. We could actually do as far as we know. Right. Right. It's a full of it. Sorry. Second of all because as a science fiction the thing they can make the rules of science or they can make their own rules of science in this universe. It does not have to. 'cause people are like, well, it doesn't work like that. Like back to the future and stuff like that. It's like well. Yeah. Because I Don universe has its own rules of how science and physics and right now. Won't like any of these. Anyway. So we'll be. Exactly he's going to complain and doing. Jim go sit down. We don't want you here play. Turn to dust. So you here right now. Yes. Somebody is arguing about time travel was like there were people that turned to dust. So what of you arguing about again? Yeah. What part of what part of the scientific method. Yes. So we're I Stein is going. Yeah. Sure. Why not? Of course. I mean me. Is a big doctor who fan to me. It makes perfect sense. Since on how to how time travel works. It makes perfect sense. I mean, I you don't ask me to try do the bass. 'cause I haven't him, but it, and it the layman's way that it was broken down. Not so much the way that Bruce try to explain it where he was like, you're you're if you go to the past your future's still your future. It'd be also becomes your pass type of thing. But when he gets to where they go back to the battle of New York and talking with ancient one Louisville. Yeah. That makes perfect sense it when Tony is trying to figure it out. The the different models on his holographic table the model. That works is essentially a Luke inverted on itself. Remember that thing's called? Yeah. Exactly forgotten. I forget exactly what he used to make those twist the paper in the air. Things strips must be free trip. That's trump. Yeah. There we go. Oh, yeah. Kid's toy. I got this. So if you apply that logic physics, whatever you wanna call it too it. It makes perfect sense story element. Yeah. As far as as far as the science and everything in this universe. Sure. Why not at work? Just like, okay. Yes. I've seen enough time travel, but I totally can get on board as. Exactly. Nobody's falling in love with anybody's mom again. I'm all right. Well, I guess I should be specific their mother. Yeah. Their mothers are involved. But thankfully there. Right. No. There's nobody running around in their underwear as far as we know. So. Yeah. So yeah. But I it it takes it takes the tweaking. Because I Tony wants something to do that. We finally get to see what Tony is about to five years later. He pepper file and got married, which I thought we were going to see because of something that Gladys Paltrow said at the premiere last week, then I'll explain that further when we get to the end of the movie. So I thought we ever going to see pepper Doty's wedding. And we didn't. But they've they've got married, and they have their, you know, they have their kids. But it's on a boy, it's a girl, but they still they still mortgage eight stark, which Holly, and I were commiserate, you know, thinking like h for power. Would. A nod to to Tony's father there. So and she's she's a little shoot who'll firecracker, and she will she's a stark. She's not seventy Sarka pepper positive parents. She she's not she's not going to be freaking violet. That's good genetics truth there. Yeah. She's adorable. But yeah, the the team at least some of the team comes to them and try to convince them that you know, if they go if they can go back in time and get the stones that they can fix it until you do things like my life. I got my kid. I've got everything I want. It was a very good conflict moment. I like. Yeah. Yeah. And as we know from Infinity war, doctor strange said this, you know, there's only basically it only works really if if Tony's there. Yeah. So and I'm like, oh crap. Will you just put a huge, you know, monkey wrench in that idea that he has to choose between, you know, a family and a new baby or you know, what I mean five year old and. And going back to you know, one of the worst days ever. So it's like, ooh, that's a tough call. Yeah. Yeah. But it I mean, I I mean, I can understand why he went he would be so reluctant to do it because one is dangerous and. For number of reasons. I mean, they could fail and completely changed everything. And he could lose what he has made you die in the process of it. It could not work again. Yeah. It cannot work, you know, and they did have right back where they are which would be fine for him. Because he was still have what he's got. But that he don't eat failed. Peter essentially again that's heads out. It's giving him, but he can blood is seeing a picture of him and Peter together, you know, it's like he he's got his happy ending. But it's like, you know, someone like Peter perjure who is just a teenager and had potentially fix it. Yeah. Have is future ahead of him. And would also he he wasn't totally stopping because he was still working on it. Yeah. I mean it was at night. It was you know, it is own private. He was still working on it. No. He he didn't stop. So that I was like going, okay. Well, the conversation that he pepper have is just L. God love pepper Potts. Yes. She is put up with so much and she's teased the wife of the century. I think. Yeah. Her her putting up with everything that she's put up with. And she can just say that, you know, you know, like if I tell him to let it go. He'll let it go. Right. And we could go on with the rest of her life. But at the same time, she knows that he could never truly let it go. Oh, hey. I probably assume that he told her you know, what exactly happened on titan. And the fact that strange gave out the time stone for him probably has that in the back of his head to where it's like. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Why did he do that? If I wasn't part an integral part of that blown out of forty billion six hundred five. So. So so that we thickened. In the meantime, biz. In the meantime, we'll waiting for Tony to show up in bring his his genius playboy philanthropist brain into it. We get the the team trying to figure out with professor hulk. Which was a. Professor ho hold throws out a dab. Yeah. It's hard. I roll yet. I knew I her whole quiz of state. But to see it actually realized. Is just it's so. I don't know. I don't have that word this. But it I it was jarring. Like, oh, yeah. I went fine. And I think having Holck burst being stuck as the hulk for for as long as he was in. Thor ragnarok is for us to see a version of the hulk that is capable of speak and carrying on a conversation because the the hulk in the adventures, the only words he ever Semper PD God. So to to now see a version of the hulk that can carry on a conversation is thing for himself and not just be essentially, a mildly beast that made professor HOGAN little easier to swallow but to to hear Mark Ruffalo voice. Coming and he looks more like Mark Ruffalo, less of the the hulk face, and it makes sense. That's why we didn't see Hoke in the trailer. Yeah. Soviet total giveaway. Yeah. Guess you'd be like what? In the hell's going on? Like, I don't think the fans would have given it a minute. They just would have been like no this house. Smith is genie. Yeah. I think there was like a maybe toy or like a foreign. Yeah. Yeah. The elite user or something they got late that shows the hulk in like the suit, right? Looked like a quantum tall suits. And then think people even like that. They're like what what did you? Yeah. But it's one thing to see is to Limoges another to see. Thanks. Yeah. In wearing glasses and clothes and eating huge piles of Britos, apparently an tacos, man talk. Ensuring tacos. Tacos. Talk. Sad after in-laws laws. Yeah. It kind of like that it kind of like that old. The that old. A co commercial be Joe green. Right. I almost wanted Scott to say, thanks. You know? Funding. I'm already seeing names that it's remember the vanquished, and it's a pitcher of a taco. And I'm like Touche. Oh, I love the the I I love it as serious as we do get those moments of levity. For things like Scott losing his taco and doing the tests with with Scott and getting like TV, Scott, and then really old vape hot skies who suit someone paid. If I I'm not sure if own me, baby. Lovely. Another one was the Bill to bear comment. But I was like I'm like, oh, that's funny. I thought for uploads it up to thirty seconds ago. I thought you were a build a bear in the. Like when when the tasha was having the the conference call with like with Rhody, Carol rocket a Koiei. Like, a Koi is mentioned thing that there's been earthquakes like off the coast of Africa or something, and they're just nice phrasing. The strange hasn't been happening. And it's like I didn't use from after initially talking to Steve talk out. Life has got so weird as I get, you know, weekly from Aurora MU exactly are diversity normals. Yeah. Those moments are just they really really help. Yes, they ground it into remember. It's entertainment, y'all. Very much. So but. What's it? What's it? Get the science per figure it out with Tony's health. They need to work on getting the team back together. So the tasha has to go and get clint's, which you know, Clinton's off Kili druglords like you do. It's a side hustle. Yeah. It is some key euchre some occupied. I guess we do only doesn't not ankle bracelet. I'm sure it was not, you know, not functioning the minute of the SAF is, you know, infrastructure whip. Yeah. So, but it's a it's a it's a really good moment between him and tasha just to remind us that even though we've not really gotten a lot of their history. They've got the two of them together not gonna let screen time. I hope we get more validly get that black widow cordial movie. But it's you know, she shink Shane Clint have a long history. Their friendship is really really strong. They really really care about each other. You know, some people thought that maybe it was romantic, but obviously, you know, cleanse married has kids. So that's not a thing. But one thing. I really love about their relationship is that it's not romantic. It's your friendship, and you kind of have to push yourself of this. You know, oh, it's going to be romantic one day. And it's like, you know, what? No, it's not, and it doesn't then I can't be friends with that salute rather being thing. You can see it. You can be it. That's what I think their relationship is. Yeah. But it's it's good that they finally have that moment to reconnect after so long, and, you know, for her to be able to come to Clinton say, you know, you've you've been lost. But. We had there's hope. When Clinton has been just so hopeless their roles are almost reversed where you know, tasha was some mercenary ends, she really needed to be stopped in Clinton made a different call and this time around, you know, Clinton paying essentially the mercenary, and she could have hunted down and right, Tim. But I think she knew that the only way she would have been able to stop in was to take him out in. She did she could not do that. Oh, she could bring herself to do that. So it was much easier to wait as fed in probably in her mind because of her past the fact that all he was doing was killing bad guys that she could just let him go because he wasn't hurting anybody quote, unquote, air quotes here. Hurting anybody good was whether. We're keeping towns on them. But not necessarily stopping him. Yes. Yeah. But she knew that if she was going to stop him it. Yeah. It was either gonna need to stop in shoot up killing or she could stop him. If he could bring him good news. And it was the latter. So which is with the time heist. Yes, mice. Hi, nice Maddie feel about time travel. But then we we still we're not quite done getting the band back together we need to the God of there. A lot of those a lot of vast. We get most of the band, but we still need we still need got us letter or it. Now, they've got kids, right? More choices. So how do you feel about what they do before? I it's it's been controversial. It's it's it's definitely split the fandom on on how people's opinions on what they did with ORs. I'm really torn on it. Because there's part of me that it was like, oh, they went that way. It I think what it is. Because he has PSD. He's feeling regretful. Basically, he's feeling like he made the wrong call and when he tried to redeem himself at the top of the movie of this movie. He didn't get the catharsis that he got. So he decided to drink and gain his life away. Where Tony's arc with his. I didn't do enough. Not worthiness was completely different. And it had a little bit more. I don't know class. Grounding respect for somebody dealing with with guilt loss. So there's part of that. But then there's also part of it where somebody wake, you know, what Chris Hemsworth is frigging funny, and we're just going to keep giving him funny things 'cause people like him being funny. What do you wanna do Chris? And I just have this in my head. I want to be fat in a gamer. And I'm like Caesar choices. And so I don't know whose idea was. But I'm torn on it because I think it could've could've been better. But we got what we got. We we got lebowski. Yeah. Sure. The fact that he became secluded, and then and no law from soften in the cakes. Yeah. That makes rising right thinking about it. He lost his whole world. He lost his father. He lost his brother, then he lost. No, not fight. He's had nothing but losses. Yeah. And what he tried to get a win when he cut down his head off. It was not real win. And so he does you know for someone who's God. Always no, no always comes out the winner. It does the right thing. And it does the way he he couldn't fix this. So he has coping mechanisms to deal with that. So we hung out eight pizza and watched his friends play fortnight and threatened children on the internet. These are choices for the God of thunder. The way they played off his PTSD, as you know, for laughs, the Ogi, I you could make the argument against it. And maybe that wasn't the best choice, but it's a movie with time travel. Right. Yeah. That right there in the middle. Yeah. I. I'm kind of with you. Leo. We're kind of kind of torn. But I think I leaned war to I'm okay with it. Just because I think it's they've they've there is a good way for them to show a spectrum of how every people deal. People deal with traumatic events. Right. Somebody had to go off the rails. Ridiculous. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's we've we've had you go we had Tony stark with his PTSD on the third ironman movie. And you know, we saw him unable to sleep and plagued with nightmares and getting triggered have tax. And that even headed with cap to a certain extent to we've see have to deal with you know, what I mean, the loss of seventy years, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then we've got. Yeah. Like Natasha has kind of just thrown herself into kind of Nick fury, all work work, work, work, work, work, doing her thing. Yeah. Tony at this point has you know, he has secluded himself too. But it's with somebody that he loves it. He's got child it. He's got something to focus on something to live four. Has he does have that family that support? So the fact that you know, someone would this. I mean is a legit thing that there are people that. Oh, yeah. Self medicate themselves, you know, with alcohol and drugs and food right resemble notably percent of the time. People will self medicate themselves with food and because of the war in who he is. Because he centrally is a God he's a Demi guide. He's three thousand year or fifteen hundred years old. I think his way somebody's talking to rocket Infinity wars fifteen hundred years all killed twice as many people's ad or something like that. Yeah. So he's you know. He's been around for a long long time. Plus it centuries old, you know, his entire life. He's because of his godlike status now, he's handsome, he's strong. Even before he got, you know, the the hammer and everything he was obviously if warrior and could handle himself without gall, we saw that in age voltron would stay at least cameo where he's got the guardian liquor. And he's like, oh, you know. Thank you. Handle this. And he drinks it. And he and he's perfectly fine. So to for the war, the body of what we think of is four to yet still place mentally that allows him to get to that place physically just shows just how broken. He is. And that's what he wanted to basical revelation of his mental state. I did feel like it was a little bit of an attack or a reaction to internet trollers. Do the stereotype of gamers and gates and fans it had that little bit of a bite to it where it's like there's where I was like, oh almost. Yeah. Yeah. I was but it could been you know, that's an interpretation not in his tents. Yeah. No, no, not totally in shape. Guys have another hero. We can cause play too. To conflate universe. Y'all. This one. I can do a lady four version. Always. If it's. They bring on to beat the box. And a little about skis butter. Yes. Oh by. So. Yeah. So I mean, I couldn't I could kind of see why people are complaining, but I didn't really have a problem with it. Just because I. Because I'm looking at it as someone with my own mental health issues in know-how, I have dealt with them right before getting the help that I needed. It's like, I could you know, if I had been in four situation that I could see myself going down at some water road possibly so which is. Hit. So maybe it maybe that's why people are complaining because it hits too close to home. Maybe very much could be. It'd be like ways that represents me as a person and all my fears. Yeah. That that really can be it about sign. That's everybody dealing with their own problems in a different wing. Yeah. But either way we've got four for better or worse. And so we we got the team and they they've got their plan. And we're going to go time travelling. Which is. Where are they go? Once they figure out was figure out there playing realized that there are three Infinity stones in New York at in two thousand twelve as like, duh. Of course, we're all like, well, we see these movies. You have it. You just been living on so. I don't know. For that for them to go back to these these three time periods while it ends up being four time periods. Is if whatever I go back to rewatch these movies that they essentially step back into. I don't think I'm going to be able to look at the same ever again. That's. Gift. Yeah. Especially the especially the first vendors movie, which is why absolute favorite movie in the entire C. You is the one I've seen the most often I can quote almost verbatim from beginning to end sped it. This is giving me a whole new perspective on the battle New York. And. And. Especially when that elevator. Same. God elevator. See story. I'm probably jumping the gun there. Sorry, sorry. Yeah. You know, it's like we we get the battle New York. And essentially we've got we've we've broken up into teens. So we've got cap, Tony, and Scott and the professor hulk. Go back to two thousand twelve the battle New York. Professor whole goes to the sanctum where we get to see Tilda Swinton as ancient one again. Which is very cool don't. Yes, right expecting. Yeah. And I love the fact that she knows essentially what's going on. She's like you're about five years too early for doctor strange in hostile dude surgery. Yes. I just in case you forgot about the time line. I know everything. Well, if e-, but even in in the doctor strange movie, right before the ancient went dies, if they're talking in their Astrum Forbes, and she's like, I've looked into your timeline that Octavio to to doctor strange, and she's like a the the bishou league as far as a death that so she she notes rights, which is helpful. And we have that guy. And I love that. She puts Bruce in his astral projection Portman is astral form is just Bruce. It's preferable. Oh, that was nice, which is nice because Mark Ruffalo is some more screen time isn't self. And it also shows the ancient one's power to him. So he knows exactly who is dealing with. Every get the nice explanation on how their time travel is going to work where we've got essentially the main time line that we know watching these movies. And if they go and change anything they're not changing their future, it just branches off into its own time line. Yeah. The visual was really cool. I mean that helps me going. Okay. Got it. Yeah. So that makes perfect sense in all of all the Infinity stones that was easiest one for them to get was time stone for ancient one. I just said he set me. Yeah. I was told don't he gave it up and she's like, oh, okay. Here you go. A big deal. He must know it is doing it was the sort of ISA social supreme in the future. So nice Louis like I'll bet on the strong what she say that she who's the best of us as yet. So and then we get the the end of the out that after the battle in New York from them confronting LOKI and start tower where he's like I'd like to have that drink. The comments about captain America's bought in. 'cause S whiz. You know, in a way is 'cause doesn't told you say something about how it doesn't do his. But any favors events thought is like, no that's American. I asked scrolling such a fan boy. Yeah. Represents us. Saying he had been coasting. Good. Fan boy club. Yeah. Really? It was like a it's like, yeah. Tony doesn't think it does. You know caps rear ended a favors is like well took that Coltrane's dead at this point some because he would probably disagree as he had input on the uniform. That's right because he's fan. Void number on. Yes. I think it was a nice little like wink nod to to Colson without calling outright. I think right without actually making me cry again. Yeah. But then we've got Tony and Scott trying to get the test Iraq. We've got capped trying to get the sceptre because those are both Infinity stones and we've got Scott giving two thousand twelve Tony stark, a heart attack. Which is failing because LOKI ends up getting the tesseract to taking off which we can assume at that point that creates its own time line done dot dome. Now, this time line out there where LOKI co Salle de are still has a tesseract. Yup. And there's eight does need plus Shoka. Matt say that's probably gonna be the thought of the new show. It could be or at least it could be the plot of a you know, an episode or a series of episodes. So that could that could be fun it praying packs, so many people we get Alexander Pearce. Robert, we get Robert Redford back. We get you know, gives CGI looked a little did his CGI. Look, a little weird anybody is here at least look a little wonky like messing fell. He looks like his head was floating on his body like they green screen at and then put him on a body double because I'm like, oh, Robert Redford. I love you. But you is looking detach. I still upset up. Yes. What was been what like? How long since winter soldier four four years something like that Fezzan fourteen issue there? Yeah. Five years. Yeah. Just Robert Redford has age probably a bit more so sad. I'm ki had years and years where he did not age at all. Yeah. He gets to h now. Yes. Doesn't fourteen. Yeah. So at that. We did we get cap who does get sceptre with the nice nod back to winter soldier again with him in the elevator. I so bought the we're just going to I thought they were going to do the elevator. Bit from winter soldier again half. The go. Yes, ain't before we begin this. Anybody wanna go off, right? Does this time? It was giving him being the, you know, the instigator it's like interstate role rivers. Yeah. 'cause I mean, it was him in the elevator. You had whoever it was. I think it was rum. Low light start to like loosened his gun so that he could easily get it. It was like beat for beat almost exactly the same. Then you know, they if again another nod to the comics where for a short run there several years ago where captain America and ziebel Cup. Yup. Right. So he's yeah. He's trying to convince sit while to give him the the sector, and they're like, well, we're going to call the director on that. That's okay, initially hydra like, oh my God. You're say the words even though at no he was lying. I was. The spoke on his face as he was leaving the elevator. They were all stunned behind him. Off was great caps. One of us. Now this. It was so good. Oh, oh my goodness. To hear those words come out of captain, America's bath. Jeff. And then the fight with himself. He like oh could do this all day. Sparring with his own ego there for there's a lot of variety and things in there. There's a lot to unpack in that. But it was beautiful. This so good. So I think because you know, two thousand twelve cap like I could do this all day, and, you know, post snap cap is like, oh, I know. And I'm sure 'cause that cap is seeing it experienced so much since then the, you know, he's he's still got the a lot of the preside trots, captain. America's where tries to find the silver lining. Did turn. Awesomeness? But at the same time. He he's he's a more realistic. So to hear himself be this way. It's like you need to grow up bucco. Tonight, you've cap who hasn't had Nate. So you have no idea what kinda shit is coming down the pipeline for you. Hus year weights. The only way gets out of it. It's like he's still alive. That was good drink. That is why no thyself is so important when you're battling with yourself because you know, how to get out of it. And then uses a sceptre to knock himself AL's. Yes. Oh, by oh, it when they first get what they I guess did York and the hulk needs to the first of all. Feel feel things on the way. I always thought it gratuitous. He's so intellectual now. He's all girl though. I kept this car. Oh, my. But yeah, slip over this. Fires. Cassuto lease act. Are you can? So beyond it. Now. He just can't even. A hipster hipster hulk is like I so beyond them. Keep you. So but because they failed to touch her act. They have to time jump again. 'cause they don't have enough pimp because they have to use the pin park. Close impoverished goes lie you to shrink small enough to get into the quantum realms? And they really only had enough for each person do around trip. So the is like, well, if we go back to nineteen seventy we can get the Tennessee rack and some more him particle two for one special for was specials winslet's. Yes. Yeah. Well, is it gives us more potential X time lime that has been for the developed since captain marvel 'cause because we knew we knew Howard picked it up when he was searching for cab in the nineteen forties. Is you know? Yes. Specific eared is the flexible miss World War Two post World War Two. And had it. Stuck it in storage somewhere? Probably because his focus was tried find Steve that eventually he realized that that was a loss call as founded shield brought in Peggy we get the, you know, the two wonderful seasons of of agent Carter that we got. There's a nice nice nice cameo slash Easter egg for those that Bollard to watch captain marvel or not cat marble agent Carter with Jarvis the was. I read did you. Yeah. You're the right person to ask. Actually, gosh. She. This psych Bose place for us people that actually watched the series. Now give us another season. Oh, eight. There's hope there's hope for the streaming service now. Yes. So. But I get up that I loved seeing seeing her and Jarvis again, I love cap kind of seek it around. And then just that that standard movie thing, I'm just gonna run into this random office to avoid detection. Oh, yeah. It's the thing. I wanted to see which he and I like I like the T E all on this on the Dolly. It's. See opened a door. He's kind of. Yeah. The fact that he's just like standard stairs out her in. She does not even like even get the sensation that she's being stared at like is like like peg eight-year won't class size that paperwork really that in our thanks. The spy I can feel people staring at me. Movie magic. I love the conversation that Tony has with his father. It was cute. The is like Howard pots. Only walks out with the test or active is brief k the pretty case when she's not the first time. That's just Iraq has been you know, shoved into the case with a handle. Of not you'd say Tony would have realized how close was his own birth. His birthday when he was given. Steve the date. You would think because he's like oh eight oh how far along is. She. Do you know how far along shit? I don't you know, your own. I pay. Has Tony stock? He put his Pepple without a doubt. That's not protect social security, number probably. Probably. But I as I love that father son son moment because the the history of the relationship between Tony and Howard is obviously not the ideal father, son relationship. What formed him though? Yeah. That's the ironic and the the hard part of it is he had to go through that to become who he became. But he's so wishes he hadn't. Yeah. Makes don't we? There's there's so much unpack with with Tony stark since its author -peutic. Yes, it's all there appear to 'cause it's it's a talk up. So all may be happening in a future. Maybe. Even more. So now that because of what happened and then game. They get the pin particles. They get the tester act. We get to see a other DA JD Inc. Pimm. This one wasn't as good the de aging was not quite your marched. It felt like yeah. Yeah. But he was on screen for so little. It's like. Yeah. Yeah. It'll work. This is actually. A little reaction what he found out that the package was glowing people were sick. You really feeling? So well. Takes off. What does he what is what what is? He the shipping. What does he expecting into yen glows amaze people say with Hank him who knows at love me. Did I you caught it when St. when Hank run doubt in Steve goes into as looking for the Pym particles, and there's the old school ant man helmet from the comics. Yes. The other counter. Easter egg of awesome. Oh and also the speaking of Easter egg in the seventies sequences where stands cameo was which I was yellow lighted. There was one I out. Tearing myself for there to not be just because you know, maybe they didn't film one. But letdown baiter they had they have one for this one for some reason the Rousseau's kept saying that this was going to be stands last cameo. But I for from what I've heard he did film his Spiderman from Holum cameos. Nice. I I don't know what the Russo brothers were thinking, maybe they were thinking this is the last Stanley cameo. That's like marvel by itself because spider man is technically marvel and Sony maybe possibly so or they didn't get the memo that they got it in timers. They because I'm not the movie. Yeah. They were busy working on this one. Yeah. As far as as far as they do this is the last thing cameo, but we we should get one more is fighter man far from out there, and that should be the last one that was filmed on purpose for. And you know, what a little side tribute. That's actually kind of cool that his last cameo would be Spiderman considering what those famous that would be really cool. Yeah. It is. But it. Yeah. It was it was totally. I always love seeing stand pop up on this radio. Oh, yes. In the seventies. Like may not. It is like seventy like, I don't even know what he's supposed to be driving there. So blowing in the wind with that. With the this the the mustache that he have dark moustache that he had back in the day. So stay essentially took Stanley what he looked like in the seventies. And that's what we got. I approve. Yes. Absolutely. Gross. So good. So those those three it fitted stones and that we've got nebula Rhody. Going after the power stone from guards galaxy so they have to go to two thousand fourteen yes to get in fourteen to but planet we see star. Lord, I appear on the beginning of the first guardians movie. Lord, man. I wanted to back that we get the music like we do in forgotten. And then it cuts to just Peter's singling with his head. Because we all look ridiculous when we were saying in had. Outside world. I would we're singing in our car and we'd pull up to a stop light. And we're still thinking in our car. But we do it. Anyway, just because I say other I've seen other people do. In fact, I had a gal I was driving a probably had to been like a month ago or something like that. I was a little light. And I just happened to look in my rear view mirror. The. Yeah. Those. Not the side mirrors. The once up toss center center, the nice Liuzhou near. Yeah. I see this this gal in the car behind itchy is like, dancing and singing totally jamming at I wish. I knew what she is. What song? She lives listening, right you. But I couldn't figure it out. I can relate flow enough. That is usually my first thought is oh that's a good song. I wonder what it is. Like, what are you hearing out to get to have a lesson? So. Yeah. But no does. That's totally. I'd love it brody's like, so he's duty. Right. And that's a fair assessment. Just. Yeah. It's it's good music star. Or you know, he he does what he likes. And it's I I have both awesome. Mixes it I totally get down to to both of them. So thing totally totally with it. But I am is not sets. Well going. No, I'm just gonna. Who has set honestly? So we get that had the whole Rhody and. Road. I'm debbie. Gore adds up involved in this is a it's crazy his whole it's like the catalyst that helps feed into the third act because as we learn that apparently nebula with all of her augmented parts that are became Nicole on everything her because it we saw an Infinity war her. She has like a memory Bank in those numbers can be played back because that's how they knows finds out that go more actually did know the location of the soul stone is that like that memory Bank is connected to some sort of cloud. Right. Danna cloud server. I guess so the our nebula in the Nevio Ephraim twenty fourteen the it ends up creating like this weird. Connection between the the memory banks. So that the two thousand fourteen heavy alive starts showing the record the memories of the. Our nebula the reformed, Nevertheless, I think of it is the worst version of the Corsican brothers ever. We're one feels the other one another. They remember and yes. But it's be used as Email. Yeah. I some of the Debbie L Levy. Yeah. But in the process of that because because by the events of guardians of the galaxy Santos is. Well, into his search for the Infinity stones he finds out about associated their entire plan. He finds out that he does get the stones does what he intends to do it. Now, there's people trying to fix it. And. And. That have that. Right. Yeah. He he can't have that. You know, he's he's he's got a plan. He wants to stick with it. So but that is feeding into our third act, but we we need to. Finish up with our other stones. I. And so there's that will set that aside for a second. I should have gone to that one. That one copious notes too bad. So we've got four and rocket going into the events of essentially or the dark world. And this. It's an interesting team up to to to say the least. Thor is struggling hard not only with you know, his his survivor's guilt and everything from Infinity war. But now he's back to the events the right before his mother dies. And all of this and like rocket literally has to slap him in the face to try to get into break at you know, snap out of it. And it doesn't stick to the plan to try to stick to the plan, but gets his Puta full moment. Olea thou between four and Fergus. I love. Yeah. It was I see Rene Russo. Again, always good to see Rene Russo. Yeah. And she, you know, she realizes that the four that she's looking at talking to is not the or that she had seen, you know, probably just previously. But she doesn't bat an eye like the all idea that the, you know, there's time travel when whatever is not a concern to her in cheese feel kind of out of the equation that. Yes there for something. And they go do that. Yeah. Yeah. And they they have this this beautiful conversation, which you know, it it doesn't fix, but at least helps him too. Hugh learns yet to start humid start start adjusting is frame of thinking, I think so that when they get when they get back. He's it a better place mentally. For what they have to do. But then at least poor rocket with having to get the the ether out of Jane foster, which routes. We don't actually get to see it. I've heard that was an interesting. Get out. I love that. We find out that Thors thought the only one that believes rocket a rabbit has chasing that I get that rabbit. But do rabbits look like over there. I don't know everything from the sound of it. They got really interesting looking creatures 'cause you know, he's trying to what in the first avenger th or is talking about how talking about Bill tonight with Colson rate. Yeah. He's like these big things that Antlers or whatever. Like, you have these on earth and goes out, so. Interesting looking creatures on guard. I guess. So we get we get that fitted Eastone and or gets mill near. Sticking his hand in phrase like sometimes it takes the sessions, right? Helps to boost his confidence because like I'm so worthy. Yes. Absolutely. She needed that a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and having millionnaire and storm breaker together will come in handy. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe I visited with another movies. But but so what was the though from doc? The doc would time. I would that mean he wouldn't have it anyone. No, he welded. It could take back along with the if base ounce arrived. Greg is sitting on the platform winning when Steve goes back. Hear everything. So. I'm assuming that he put mill builder back when he puts the which. Poor Jane like one minute, you're doing science next minute. You're on, you know, your your lot your boyfriend that you thought you would never see you again your boyfriend's his face comes back. And now your guy you're on a different planet, essentially. Yeah. With with a with a dislike evil, whatever thing coursing through your body meeting, your boyfriend's parents who happened to be, you know, royalty in the you know, all of that. And you get attacked by raccoon the visit. Visit they ask that almost immediately. A guy who looks like captain America shows up as shoes you again to put back into a Jane foster has had a very bad day. True story. No wonder should up with a really. Kidding? I would too actually. How good looking is. It's a lot of drama. Unless figure because of the conversation at forgotten or have let's forget because frigate has magic because she was raised by witches. If she said is she able to do something to Jane's like memory. So that she doesn't remember that part. Volleyball's you could probably hand wait about away that you know, furniture. Did something magic probably I don't go down with that. Yeah. And then we have Clinton Natasha oath. And missile stone suck which I actually didn't realize until like I like like I knew back my head at what are they going? What's possible to happen? But it did it really dawned on me today. Started walking like ways that remember how the rule works? Yeah. Friends and like they like they they filmed it and it's shots. And it scored like almost exactly the way it was done with on for MIR with Gamarra's in fantas like this. Even the score is the same. It's like, oh, just the feels. Said that it wasn't as much of an emotional punch for her because it was so similar to Gamarra's. And she like, I guess she expounded all of her feelings. You know, what I mean on Comores death in that scene? So when it was almost a note for note, it didn't work for her. But now it worked for me. Because I mean good Maura tried to you know, fight. She was she was willing. Unlike Clinton tasha were both of them were willing to die for the other person. Right. Exactly. And that's what style. Lake and. Yeah. Bay area most. No, yeah. Friends are going to go at it till the end they're going to they're going to battle for each other. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean. I will the fact that still heads in the end he had to let her go. Yeah. Right. The release her to let her fall in. And that's probably what they I would have never heard people had a hard time with the C just because it's there they didn't necessarily throw the other person. I didn't sacrifice something person sacrifice themselves. Yeah. So was like, why should the person get the stolen when that person jumped in willingly? Well, the thing is is like red skull when he's explaining it to them the the the. Yeah. The offering that required to get the Saul stone. He has you have to lose. What you love the not evacuate Feis has a soul for fuel. Yeah. You have to experience the grief, and oh, yeah. Yeah. But you don't just. Yeah. Right. At the end of the day. I'm sure it's probably semantics that just the fact that it's worded that way where you have to lose. What you love the it's not that you have to kill person. You just have to lose them inexperienced that loss. The the fact that no that clip in the did have to let her go. Yeah. Yeah. That was. Yeah. That was an emotional gut punch right there. Yeah. Oh, which. I'm somewhat torn because at the end of the day. I think it could've done either of them at Galle would have been okay with it. But just the fact that Clint has kids and wife Twitter's. And that's why Natasha wasn't gonna wasn't going to stop until it was out. He had four to live four. She had accomplished what she wanted to accomplish. Which was try to get as much read it out of her Leger as you possibly could, you know, and to mean, something and to do something, and yeah, it was tough because I was like because I have two girls. My youngest was not into these marvel we would take her every time, but they were too loud, and they were to fighting fighting fighting, and she was very little and she's like, I just can't. And so also she very much relates to a female character. And so it wasn't until avengers that I said, Honey, wait till you meet black widow. And as soon as she saw black widow in adventure. She's like I'm in. I wanna watch all the movies again. I want to get caught up. So for her Natasha's death was like, oh, yeah. She's like that was my open character. That was the character that she connected to my dog is also named Natasha, by the way. So that was you know, like oh God. But you know, I I get it. But I hate it. So that was tough. Yeah. Many many many. Here's the hugging. Yeah. Yeah. But the fats. It sucks. Sucks that way, you know. The it. And I didn't even think about the fact that. When the they decided the the ever goes in tie. And collect all the stones that the soul stone mantha. Somebody was going to have to die. Is it wasn't anywhere else? Unless it was on thin OSE. Yeah. You know, those are kind of your only options there. Yeah. Yeah. So I I I was just I my I don't know if I was just either so engrossed so by brain wasn't firing also lenders or what? But I was I was not thinking that far ahead. Probably defense mechanism actually. It's a lot to absorb this is on purpose. You know what I mean? Yes. So, but it is at this point. We do have all the stones and everybody comes back except for the Prussia. And technically the nebula that comes back is not our nebula because she is switched places with a two thousand fourteen version for six has downgraded model if you will. Yeah. How we tell the difference between the little head played like this. I'm like, oh, Patty duke's on down. Well, she put a glove on because our nebula had bird, the the artificial skin off of whatever hands getting the orb out of its out of the thing. That was as. Power slow seating guardians. Let's still. It's like oh glove and had played as all we need. Sure. Whatever works. Where does it seem that everybody was so excited? They got all the stones. They just didn't think anything. In fact, it's like oh Natasha didn't come back. People were distracted. Flavor. More differences people probably didn't pay that much. So she was carrying the stone. So really it was because they okay good you here. Okay. And at let's do this. Yeah. So we got we got all the stones. They're put into their version of a of a gauntlet, which really is just a ironman hand coding soon to the twister, do you. Yeah. You wait notice. It's the opposite hand those ones right hand within was left. So now, you can one this one they finally come out with full-size ironman in fit. He got let you can do wielded adventure gauntlets. Wait. So. We'll be doing that in the future like orgy, the the the Finnity war in, you know, got let fantasy satellites a wonderful, Tori. He. Yeah, I've played Michael. And it's it's it's big is, bulky. But it's it's fun. And noticed when I hit. But you can't snap a finger because the figures do not articulate that mill. But you could see back in this. That's when you throw, sir. Yeah. They don't want you to wield that power. Rock with the do all kinds of other kill devil horns signed off. The thought of everything. Everything except the stab away half. No snaps rounding. And so we get the first map courtesy of professor hulk, which it makes sense that he would be the one to do it, especially if it's gamma radiation that's coming from it. And it's like that's Frank for him. You know it, but it still does damaged. We'll leave already established in the past. I guess in guardian right that one stolen to a regular person is deadly. Yeah. So try to wear the whole gauntlet of you're just a regular person isn't going to end. Well. Abs- which that makes you wonder though, because well is that I guess that would make sense that the ancient one gave the hulk professor Hogue the time stone. But since he was essentially the hulk he would be able to hold it. A single stone the soul stone, obviously just given to you. This is given to you. It's not going to harm you. If you're if you get it properly because you pay a price for that. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, the power stole was still in this little collectors status. Yeah. And then the other two the Ted that has her act one would have been the test rack the other would have been in the receptor. So. And it assuming the either was in like little syringe things that rocket has. Oh, yeah. So that makes sense. But the so the whole professor hold. I don't know what to call him. First of all it was. First of all it was either one. Does the the snap to to bring everyone back? And I love the fact that they're the first indication is birds in the trees. Yeah. That was because we've been so focused on the people, but it wasn't just people. It was all living creatures of birds mammals reptiles, the whatever he has nice yet half of fifty percent with Bye-bye in the fact that we had not like heard birds chirping or eighty sound of wildlife or anything is generally, you don't get that in a movie that's not narrated by David Attenborough. Streit's usually edited out. That's pause for goats sound. That's surely this was intentional love. Oh, listen to nature for a second. That means snorkel. But so they'll meet we get those birds in the trees, it's like it worked. The the Brits phone. Yeah. That's right. Pile. Oh, yeah. Yep. So how how long do you think we got the moment of happy? Do you know what I'm saying? Oh. Minutes. Not even. Yeah. Couple minutes best probably fee and then. Yep. And then we essentially that essentially goes, right? Your third act, which is between the having the time travel technology in eagle nebula gets the pin. Particles are nebula had so Thanos can train his ship shits really down enough to go through the Quanta Rome it and she uses the information, I'm assuming that shit that that Eddie technological information. She had as far as how the machinery ward, she got because her brain and the other one was brain connected. So she's able to hack into the machine to turn it on. So that Thanos and his you know, his army can couldn't come through from two thousand fourteen to now to present day. And then all hell breaks loose. Of the best comic book movie battle ever. It. It's what everybody was waiting for. Yes. Yeah. It's just. Yeah. And the thing is it's like we get this version of fan OSE who hasn't done the snap. But was going to. He was he was on that trajectory you so the same guy just not with the same past. Yeah. Yeah. He has a he hasn't. Yeah. By the time, we get to Infinity war, you know, his his resolve. He's on it. He's totally down to to do what he planned to do. He's willing to kill is daughter to get it it. It's like, yeah. This guy has an experienced that yet. Yeah. 'cause Gamarra's alive. Yes. That version of is alive from two thousand fourteen but. The. The pharaohs from Finnity war almost immediately. Use their stuff popping up on social media. There's a whole sub Reddit that of Thanos. Did nothing wrong that Thanos was somewhat sympathetic for some people. I I don't think. So I think guys just nuts. I will script to that theory. Yes. Griss this fan OSE. Has the almost the benefit of realizing what the future him mistakes are going to be made because the fans from Infinity war just he thought that he was being like this benevolent being and even LOKI, you know, before it kills him says, you're never going to be God. But in his mind, he is you know, he's going to fix the universe. So that there will be enough resources to go round for the people leftover and the universe will be grateful. He, you know, he says he's like I'm gonna watch the sunrise on grateful universe. But then this does realize that the universe is not grateful. They're bitter. They're angry. They're not thankful for what he did for them. So this was to size instead of eliminating. Half of everybody. I'm just gonna kill everybody and start from scratch. Yeah. That's better. Which to me almost makes this house worse. I both versions of bad. Yeah. Purchase badges. It's all relative at the end of the day that the fact that this one has at four knowledge. So he goes from I'm going to be benevolent and spare half of the universe. Yeah. This one's like love is not everyone. Yeah. Let them all burn. They don't deserve it. It's like it. You're you're being you're, but you're being a bunch of ungrateful brats. So therefore, I'm gonna take your toys away because you're being ungrateful for what I done for you. Right. But. But then we start we have this like knock down drag out fight. You know, he brings the outriders. You know is essentially the battle Kanda again. He's called called them venoms because they look like venoms to me. Okay. They're not writers outriders call. And we've got the we've got the black order again, they're there 'cause 'cause none of them. None of them have died yet. So we still got ebony mall, and and others is all the his firepower and everything, and you know, what what group we have is trying to make a stand, you know, four, you know, decides to put on his big boy, pants and. Yeah, trion. Yeah. Feared armor as staff. Is you know, we've got Steve, and Tony and ant, man. And Clint essentially, although an professor hole and rockets and Rhody get up getting stuck under the building. 'cause he ends up destroying essentially the vendors facility by firing on it. So they have to get rescued, but thankfully, Scott's able to do that by shrinking. And then during the giant man, giant ant, man. Yet again. So, you know, but they have this. You know fight in. It's you know. Yeah. Sensually are are three tent pole characters iron man, captain Americans or they're like the the three I won't say three Neko's put right? Cultures. It's unpack 'cause I balked soundtrack already one of the. Scored on Kyle's in three migos. It really. Look at that. It's like they're they're about three avengers. With the got that got the first ones got movies. They're the three that have gotten three movies, right? The ones that have gotten their trilogies. So yes, I it's it's those three are kind of like the center of everything, and you know, they do their darndest with everything, you know, pulling all sorts of cool tricks. Like Tony's got like a able to open up the back the back of his arm or Thors able to direct some of the lightning into it. And able to use it, you know, use that. And you know, of course, Steve tries to do at Steve does which we saw Infinity war. He could he could go to tell what they at least for a few seconds. You know, we saw him holding fantasist fist and pushing back at least a little bit. But then hit, you know, his shield ends up. Like. Broken in things, which I have no idea what fantasies like Sewri thing is made out of if is able to destroy vibration, Eum it must be made of that. But something similar wasn't that. What was in Tony's vision from I can't remember I to say enters to ultra. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. To the suicide saw that. I'm like, all right. There is the vision coming. Yeah. So it's like, you know, we've got we got these guys, you know, this team doing their darndest. But you know, if this is just. Evidence. Yeah. And then there's still the gauntlet the Ganga the Dr team put together Clint has it. And you know, he's trying to to get it to someone who could do something with it. And he ends up encountering both nebulous angle Maura. But at this point good Maura has decided to switch sides. Now. He's officers. Yeah. Yeah. And our nebula ends up shooting two thousand fourteen that'd be allowed. Him as much as they as much as they try to convince her just switched sides, which. Again, I think was them trying to light like bike kind of tease like nebulous the one that we'll Infinity gauntlet at the moment. Like, oh, we're gonna tease that. Nope. Nope. It's like it's kept versus cab. It's a whole social media. Nightmares? Tap nature down. Yeah. But yeah, unlike cap versus cath-, this nebulous of knocking the other one out she just tells her. Like, yeah. You're you're not going to be convinced so dumb, which there's a whole Freudian thing there. I'm sure. So yeah, they've got the our version of the Infinity omelette, and you know, just the. Things are not going. Well, at all until you know, Steve is like, you know, everybody's getting bloody Steve's field is like hat, you know, in half gone. And you know, he's got cuts on his arm, and he's bleeding and all this. You know, he's getting knocked on the ground or a half expected him to say I could do this all day, but he'd already said the things, but you know, he's saying it in his head. Where he's like asking what he's like doubting himself at that moment. Can I do this? I want to do this all day. Do it. Do I want to? Yeah. But you know, we see him Gert his lines tightness strap on his arm to try to to down your blood flow. Like, it's like forgot to go dance. Yeah. Come on go down. Yeah. Tell until the very end the end of the line that we get this moment where his earpiece, you know, kicks in it. Sam. Yeah. And I missed it. And I have to listen to it the next time. I see it. But I totally missed it. But I guess apparently Sam says on your last. Five minutes is that on your laptop went. Oh my God. He's. Started to cry a little. This is the movie where I I started like to get like, legit tears, but at this point, their tears happiness. Art young. It has you hear stands voice. And then you get one of the the sorcerer, you know, orange portals lingering portals to open up a like everybody's coming. Flies out if you, you know, just like everybody starts period, we get like pants and MOViN Ari. And it's oh, everybody's this was the other thing is that you know here. They are. They're all okay coming. Yeah. The oldest did work, right? Yeah. We'll panther walks through starts doing his little chance. And the army behind them starts follow following. I have expected of the walk through you'll do like all of the the the whole will up forever. But just the didn't bring that back, but just off Abil the chanting the Rb following those just like that cruise bumps and I think instead what you got was avengers assemble something like this. The ultimate avengers. It was. Screams in my theater that I almost missed the call to adventures assembles because it was going crazed. I think it was the same way. It was quiet. The whole really know sharing you better. Do everybody resists too into it to be like it was just like nobody wanted to make a noise Zealand Mississippi's because that's usually my Star Wars experiences might theater is very respectable super calm. But I go see marvel, and they're all like, we're all over the place. We're screaming and clapping and applauds yet. It was DC. Like, I don't know. Like, I was decent. But I was loud about bad because I like how they will. Visit a media in your family. Can I like more of these portals start opening up that just more and more people are hearing like we get star Lord. And did we get fired Iran than he gets reunited with Tony beautiful? Mr. Mr Sturdy, Mr. Starr move ever. Remember would we were in space turn the dust? Oh, he said like. Happen. I've passed out or something like. You like what he does delight? And five hundred years. He's like, we gotta go. His magic hands thing. It which always which is a sure, you know, is is they showed up when they were supposed to which is what doctor strange saw in the future because it's like they did a snap. We know it worked because the birds are back phones going off look, you know, with his wife calling him yet. We're not seeing anybody else. And that's because I'm sure where we are wherever they were in the the sole stone universe, or whatever, you know. You wanna assume where they went when they disappeared. Yeah. Is that doctor strange new when they needed to show up? Yeah. And he's doing he saw the future. He knows. What happens? He's the only one. That knows. What happened probably? Yeah. Have no clue. Yeah. Yeah. And he and he and Tony have that moment where it's like, it's like you said there was one where we went. He's like a redoing the right thing. And it's like, I can't tell it to you Ryan. But I tell you what it won't happen. I did like that. Because I I it's like a logically. It's like, no, that's exactly what it is. Yup. App. So but hosts so it was oh as cry too. So happy to see everybody show up at like see faces of dot, you know, last time. I saw them you turning into a file does like are your accent may living you for a year. Yeah. Another six beautiful. And it's like we get the the army of Kanda, and we get like like all the rest of the source or trainees in stuff for karma Taj, and wherever it's like, you know, we just get this huge huge big group of people and Wanda gets her chance to go toe to toe with Han, which was really freaking on us. Oh, yeah. The house. Absolutely. Yeah. 'cause I mean, her power comes from an INFINITI stove them. Right. She is extremely powerful. I mean, she that's why she had the burden to destroy the mind stone. Because that's where her power came from. They even dated set that up in the first avengers where. The the stones can't fight against themselves. Essentially is what Dr salvage says you can't fight against yourself. The that's why vonda is able to destroy visions. Yeah. The mind stone with a vision because that's where her power comes from yet. Ironically during this movie their characters fighting against them side. Yeah. So we could be about the battle of self done as. She she gives San hose of a run for his money a sheen. If he had not told, you know, the black order to turn the guns on everyone, including their own arm as she could have possibly killed him. No. But then, you know, he's he's like, you know, fire the guns and ring fire rain fire. Like, sir troops is like just do it. You know, 'cause she's like ripping all of his armor off of them those saying I was because he does not have anybody stones useful armor. But so they start raining down. You know? Hellfire essentially on on the ground. You know, people getting knock this way that way and destroying our own troops. And whatever put all of a sudden the guns stop firing and point off into the distance. I go. I'm like where are you being marvel? Visit. For someone that was hyped up of a bit her being, you know, Herbie ended up union this one at this point is like she hasn't really been in this movie a whole lot like we're the hell's Carol. Yeah. Doing what she said. She was doing. She was how dying helping out on all the rest of us platelets don't have heroes the to help them, essentially. So an ozone at the time of filming they had not finished the script on her movies. So they did know what really totally do within the MC you obviously, they knew headcount. Yeah. So it's like, let's just make her go wait for a little bit. Because we don't know. Yeah. There's the in university excuse the reasoning there's the out of universities. Yeah. Let's check what we needed her. Yes. Yes. She did it it again, just like Bonda she gets house around for like, he headbutts her, and she doesn't even flinch. I know because the girls are gonna fix it. So anyway. We're gonna fix it. I'm half. Yeah. Well, it's like, you know, we got Wanda we wanted to go in two thousand we got Carol going up against STAN, meanwhile, they're playing hot potato with it are Infinity gauntlet because cl- had it and then two Challah got it from him and lost wreck so many times. Yeah. Keever painted Peter gets it all Harker. Yeah. What do you answer weight activates kill mode Kelvin's road? Right. About the kill bowed from the last movie. Oh, jeez. I forgot about that. That's awesome. When deep kill bowed. All now you now. Now. So they're playing hot potato with the with our version of the got let and finally Carol gets it from from Spiderman and keep calling on Peter Pirker. Yeah. Hi, Peter Parker. I think you have something for me. He's very, I don't know. How your I don't like I don't know how you're gonna. Yeah. Make it there. And then we get this great girl moments. Yes. Thank god. She's she's not. She's not going to have to do it alone. It's like. No power love. That's the female avengers movie. We all need to see. Now. It is I want I want that poster while the tattoo. Yes. Just Slow Money. Just do it. So because they because they they're trying to get it to Scott's vans. So that makes Scott's fan. Sorry. The place. It's easy. If the vans Iraq in time travel's happening. Let's not a euphemism. Wassim them energy. They. But I is 'cause they need they need power the gauntlet again. And I guess I think that they can use the power from Scott's fan wrote to to to kick our wasn't they thought to set into the quantum realm. I was gonna say. We're back. Yeah. It was to get rid of something. Yeah. Something you'd put from Sonos that the van the van needed to be involved in some some capacity. This is what I wanted to see more than months so much to take in. But then the Bank is. I know said that van catch Catholic and kept on taking until. Though. But then we still have to play how we play hot potato with Infinity gauntlet. Some more Thanos ends of getting it. Which is bad. Very bad, very bad, but pretty clever what he just took the power stone out of it held onto that and punt Houston against Carroll. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be up the shifts. Are we also going to talk about cap though? What ten? Yeah. Yeah. Finding talking about tap. Just don't that. That was his. Like, the I'm you. Better. Thing. Yes. Yeah. That's like he was. Yeah. Because. Because because because standards shows up get store, and we almost get a reverse of Infinity war road this time. He's got storm breaker on trying to push it into Thors chest. Of course, the says it no that that's what happened. But it looks like maybe four is gonna bite it. But the captain America proves that we weren't seeing things in age triumph in he actually is worthy to harness the power of meal. It is awesome. My whole theater like freaked out as well. It was justifiably awesome. It again payoff from a previous movie. Yeah. It's like, oh it gets so much payoff. Oh, it it. Steve just takes to like a duck to water. The other especially with. I mean, this is a movie trick, which is the power of can't. So if there's a rule, and you know, what I mean, many people can't do something or you can't go somewhere. You can't hold something or something that the more and more as time goes on that power of chaos with me, I'm out we've even had it seen it being taken away from Thor for a while it becomes the super powerful weapon. And as soon as cap can wield it it's like, it means so much more than it. But it just means like everything so. Yeah. Wielding the power of cans. It was so cool the to to see cap you do that. And just. Yeah. To watch the moment when their standard side by side, and like top grabs storm breaker and Thor has neon meal. And he's a here you take a small one. Yeah. Oh. Oh, nothing. It's like the the tides are the tides are turning lull bit. But obviously something something needs to happen to to, you know, really turn the tide in in our our sides favor of and it ultimately comes down to two Tony the to ironman. And is that moments where he looks at doctor strange and strangest raises that one finger it's time it. Yeah. It just it safely. Tony Tony knows what has to do. And I started here. I was like I don't. I noticed a -sarily what a talk about it. Because I ran is my absolute favorite. So the the emotional investment in this particular care. Is is it's this is it's really hard. Like, I've I've still trying to come to terms with what happened and it's. It's hard. I went to the ball the other day. Yesterday, as we're recording this, and it been the first time that I've been able to be out of the house on my own since the car accident. I had a couple of weeks ago says like free. Of course what I do. I go them all day shopping. Reeve in different ways. Yeah. It's like we'll retail therapy. Yeah. And just see what kind of you know, endgame merchandise is out there is like maybe it had or t-shirt Fung. Yeah. But my mall has thinking store. Oh, yeah. And both of these key. At least the two thinking stores that I know of in the area both have full sized iron man's. For sale in in the store side iron, man. What's wrong, essentially, it's like five for Andrew something. Yeah. It's it's cheap by pressuring. Just the help it. There's another one that just the helmet. The my just the hell that too. But this is this is this is ties the arc reactor lights up. The I think is light up too. So we this thing is just beautiful, but I've walked by thinking store at I saw that iron man in the window and Isla Jit almost burst into tears in the middle of all law. I saw. In game last night in. We'll say look Sundays. I will might ironman shook it athletes. Other move looked out in like could stop talking now. Yeah. I wore I wore mine to the movie by art, man shirts. Just because there is. There was part of bay. There's there's a logical part of library. Does. Of course, it is emotional part in library, the emotional the emotional part of my brain wanted. Steve to snuff. It's right. I'm sorry. But it just it seemed like a very steep thing to do it. Do the sacrifice himself to throw himself on the grenade. Like he day. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. I it just it seems like a very Ed knowing that this was Chris Evans last movie. You know, he he tweeted about it. He's like thank you for, you know, supporting the playing this character all these years that were just it seemed like we were going to say goodbye to captain America. And he was going to sacrifice themselves because that's a very captain America thing to do. So the emotional part me it was like okay, Steve's in the snuff it. And I thought maybe, you know, even though I haven't sent him eat thing that I thought maybe this would still be the end of Robert Downey junior being iron, man. But it you know, 'cause one he's the top Bill. He's the one making the most money is even with them making, you know, crapload tons of money. He's very expensive to pay for is an actor and he's older. So it's getting harder for him to do the role. You know, he injured himself filming ironman chew. I think all way back then he had injured himself filming it or no three since iron three he'd injured himself all filming. So I thought you know, caps can sacrifice himself. But in the process, they finish up the whole thing. And I was saying Tony's going to hang up the helmet. He. In pepper going to get married, and he could you know, he could pop up every now, and then in kind of a consultancy type thing Kandil type. Yeah. That was emotional part of my my psyche has waking how is gonna need it? Right. Listen to play out there than the other side of the logical part of me was no doctor strange gave up the time stone to save. Tony's life stare go. Probably. It's very very integral it making sure that they get that one out of fourteen million six hundred five. Yeah. The other person came into my head is this all started with iron, man. Yeah. End with. End with its story. And but I didn't know that Robert Downey junior was actually thinking about leaving. So I kind of went with that would be the best book and ever, and you could sell that to Robert Downey junior as ending as a way to walk away. But I still went he would never do it. And so I was still kind of in denial about it. I'm like he's gonna do this role until he's ninety five. And and we're going to be like he and Stanley, you know. And the part department can just smaller because. Yeah. But let no this was a very I'm on multiple levels. It was a very brave thing to do. But story wise it made complete sense. And it gave you a sense of closure. And heartbreak I thought like it. Sure here story things or motif to go with. I was like holy crap. You did it. I mean, it was a beautiful moment. You know, him and him and fan of fantas of course, you know, like every bad guy ever has to like get one final light quip in. Yeah. Say something and that gives Tony just enough time to get in there, and essentially steal the stones off of the gauntlet. You don't get the gauntlet off because he made that gauntlet. So and he has a spare like he always does. Yeah. Always Iran suit. I mean, this is actually what it is part of iron man, suits of the stones. Just go straight onto the suit. He's wearing yet will have. Tuck stuff, right? Yeah. The nets liberty needs it to. Yeah. And then they are Tech's crate the mechanism that he needs. You know, the Dallas has like any en diamond that you know, he's like I'm Neville of. Tony's like I am. I earn manage that. Exactly. I I save him as AVI. That moment of the moment of like. Oh. Then I'm then I'm like, yeah. 'cause all of Thanos is army starts disappears saves the day. Right. He saves the day. But at what price. Yeah. And Thanos is the last one to disappear into a pile of dust dust in the wind right guys was like five by. So I was happy, and then we'll get back to Tony and see just how damaged she is. Like oh. He's a very interesting character because remember in civil war have cap, and Tony we're talking about how you'll never be the person who will take it for, you know, for one of the team you'll just find to Tony's like, I'll just cut the wire. You know, what I mean, it was the one who wouldn't make this Akra Feis play and threw out the movies. He was the one that made the sacrifice by the very interesting dynamic and a change in character. Which was it gave the movies a point. Yes, you can change you know, you can become a team sort of thing. So that's what I was like, oh my God. You got me. Demi. Is. Watching him. You know, it says. It's Tony guy is you know, it's got pepper there because pepper showed up as rescue. She's agreeable your own inter on suit, and you know, Peters there and Brodie and. Yeah. And Taveres telling him, you know, you could rest now at it's just like a, yeah. And they're not like the light in the iron man suit goes out of the guy. Fant fair that's fair. So yeah, I mean, I was not worried that when we saw the trailer that it was going to be in space, and I'm like, okay, where he surrounded by nobody at least in this scenario, Hugh surrounded by everybody. He loves the loves him and his funeral is just. Yeah. It's a who's who of people that have been interwoven with the the Tony stark. I did not see nice kid right by I did not recognize the kid. My daughter figured that one out. And I went I think I did out as we were walking out the theater few minutes. Your cap, you know. Rhoda? You're like, okay. Everybody's there. And you're in your head. You're naming all the names that are at the funeral. And then it comes to Rando kids. And I'm like who's this kid myself? Was it hard to be it had to be kid from the other? I learn knows with the guy's name is. But it's like. Actor's name. Macadear too because it's been six years. Yeah. Yep. I was to ensure off you know, like, I didn't even I think. I even recognized that there was someone that wasn't. I don't know how to explain like recognized him. I don't think he'd be node notice that he was Dale because he wasn't a superhero right up. Definitely. I I don't know. I was just doing shocked. They're just like they do this pan. 'cause it's at. Yeah. Him and peppers cabin. And, you know, pepper takes this like, you know, thing of flowers, and it's got the the thing that she gave Tony back in the very first iron movie awards has proved proves that Tony stark has a heart. How it kind of sets it in the in the late it's outside their home. You know, and people are just standing there. And it's you know, it's it's it's pepper. And you know, all the people we'd expect of it's also, you know, the gardens the galaxy and doctor strange and long, and you know, even even. Yeah. Here even channel Ross. Oh, yeah. Needed hills or on your. Yeah. Exactly that rose Rosca. Yeah. All these people have this this moment of happy with Morgan's. You know, he's like he's like do you want something to eat? She's like like are you hungry? Like what you like what do you want like cheeseburgers like? Veterans. You want cheese is it beautiful tie to both the first ironman and Robert Downey junior himself Ange, install cheeseburger, Burger King thing, and it said by the director of the first ironman that got all this done John February. Yeah. So you're not sound like Tam it. That's very good. Yeah. I I've made my Sepah cheese Vogel last night that. Home like t's Bogo on. I should have went to big Donald chicken nuggets. I was really in for the happy meal toy 'cause they're endgame toys at the moment. Just in case anybody didn't know. Percenter already. Well, the hulk professor HOGAN already got an it'd be less sweet. Like all she had a really good role. She got a really big. She doesn't Borton was movies. I'll take it. And honestly, they probably couldn't stop the movie right there. But couldn't have potential. They didn't tense. Yeah. They had to type some loose ends because otherwise people be like what line of that. So what about the thirty two and a half hours, not Billy? But don't get a wrap up and his lovely. Yeah. Yeah. So that sounds have to be put back because that's what professor whole told the ancient one that they would do. And they it's decided Steve's going to be the one to do it. And he takes us stones amu- MU. Make sure those back as well. And you know, they even forget who it was. I think we're already or somebody asks how long how long is he gonna be gone, and he's like and. President hulk is like Wolfer him. It'll take as long as you needs to take for us. It's gonna be like five seconds. And they go to retrieve him, and he doesn't reappear in it in the machine. Yeah. And whether the camera pans over to the person sitting on the bench. For the back. It was hard to tell exactly who it was. I thought it was little Steve. That's my staff was little Ronnie. I know what I mean. Kid from Brooklyn. That's who I thought it was at I. Yeah. I do is long as they talked about the stones and alternate reality. I'm like Steve's not coming back. I'm like to I was going to soon as they said that was a possibility. So I was like I would do it. So yeah, we get old man. I like you get. Yeah. He got he got to get old. I think it looks like it's I know he is Steve Rogers cut old Rogers. He looks like Mr. Rogers. You give them a cable give give them gave him a cable kit. You know, the hand it sweater and trolley, and let's go land of make believe, but you're trying to do. I mean, Steve Rogers really is the enemy of mister Rogers only he gets it. You know, being the person of mister Rogers wants you to be at you. It could be either one. Can I like? So, but it we find out that he he decided to stay back and hadn't have his life with Peggy. What you know? He essentially pulled the doc Brown back to features Ray is what most people are assuming where he decided to stay back and leave, you know, somehow able to leave a message for himself in the future to be to be that location. So that when they try to retrieve him he would he would show up there. So it's like he gets to live his life with Peggy in that offshoot time line. But then when they go to, you know, at this point where we are in what we're saying he kind of goes back into the time line, and is out an old man, who's got Abbas Scott to have his life with Peggy and gets to pass on the mantle of captain America ought to say who is exactly why I wanted him to give it to me. All it. Rocky fans most Worthing Sam lucky. He's not ready Bucky still has scrambled head. So it will be Bucky. Eventually, they both get a turn at it. But just saying cherries now. Yes. But now, I think and I think bookie knew that 'cause Bucky was wanted to courage Sam to go to him. So I think bookie new I think there's a part of Bucky that's probably feels like he's not worthy because study or does it use like through deserve it. Let's he was he was cool with it. You're there you were there for Steve when I couldn't be. And therefore you get at it, even though Sam didn't want it at first. Yeah. Because I just wanted his friend too. Yeah. If it was the choice of having his friend back, and you know, and donning the captain America. It's like, well, you know, you choose to have your friend. Yeah. I liked it. Because I read the civil war comic. And I know that Sam did not get it under good circumstances. So this was kind of like a redeeming moment for falcons it put on the captain America Rugalia and take on that that title under good circumstances. You know what I mean? So that was nice skill too late. 'cause I heard. A few COMEX, but not the civil on schedule you like civil wars. Really good of the movie is didn't really do anything. It's really really good. But it's it's it's tough. It's a tough one. That is very different than the movie. Yes, it does. I was I was really happy that it was Sam. That's who. I wanted us who I went to. So I'm perfectly okay with that choice and. All things considered. I love that. He that. I mean caps my favorite that is my he's my dude I love that. He I had a date, and he got his date and got his dance. I was like at that point. I I wear glasses my tears had covered my glasses. And I think at that point. I was full on chief woman crying during the dance. I couldn't I was like this is everything I wanted. And yet not what I wanted at the same time. Exactly. Yup. It's like so much goodness in so much. Not all the same dime. Right. They dare you. Do this debate. Credits. Yeah. The credits were I loved that. They took a the OJ six of injures and show them in with when they get to them in the credits and they show shots of them from the different films. They appeared in and they had the actors site like their signatures is up here on the screen. It's just it was so so cool. And then yet technically there is no mid credit or post credit scene. Like what we're used to? But there is a thing. But lose a sound. There's a sound that happens at the very end is that's the sound essentially of a hammer hitting an ample it's three clangs, which you know, if you saw the I I ran automatically takes you to Tony in the cave right working on very from Iran suit. Which obviously that's probably what they want people to think of I 'cause that's what it's gonna vote for most people if you're sitting in a marvel movie odds are easing the other movies, right? Oh, you're that thing plus one equals two. But however, what my husband told me is that that is what blacksmiths do as tribute when one of theirs has died. Okay. It's like the quivalent like a twenty one gun salute at a military funeral joke. That's what black. That's how blacksmiths page iron, man. Yeah. I got it. Yeah. That say growth. That's yeah. I'd say somebody was making something you know, what I mean like the next one if it could potentially that too. But I like that better that it's sort of thing. I mean, the play the Ozzy Osbourne song again. Yeah. Well, and I love the the music because before the last thing we see before the credits. Start rolling is Steve back in, you know, back in time with Peggy Dan dancing in the living room to, you know, some era appropriate like forties issue sounded like. Yeah. Fifties. 'cause we don't exactly what time period he went back to write news. Yeah. But it could have asked me. I don't know. I don't know if he went back to the seventy s or he would have back earlier because like we see the street in the cars and people's clothing trims like it would be more forties or fifties. Right. Never left. Yeah. Friend. I was watching it with as construction, and he leans over to be after the movie like the whole continuity of that scene is wrong. Like, we talked about well the shingles on that host weren't invented till the ninety s on families new Steve. Jimmy, these there the cars, the clothing the things they have control over. Yeah. The singles on the host or two new that wouldn't be that time period. Like dude shut up say ran on money on that one. And say fail. Front. Rare. Now read this movie. So we got we got that period. Appropriate is strike with music. Yeah. And then we get some more of it as the credits. But then like the last piece of music, we hear what the credits is a like forties inspired version of the theme song for the stark expo from the second ironman movie. Okay. Go sounded familiar, but. So if you're gonna use you look out the official track titles like make way for tomorrow. I think in that is very like Disney ask because it's where my Richard Sherman one of the Sherman brothers who's done music for dizzy for the longest high. So if you've ever been to Walt DisneyWorld and broke the care of self progress. It sounds an awful lot like this song for Matt. And that was also written by the Sherman brothers. So slowly bridge insurance alley to right or something like that. But then this this version playing over the credits is just like a forties era version of that which I thought was really cool. So did lonely so, but that's the movie. It is our time talking about the movie has almost been the link of movie. We're going on three hours. If we played in paused and played in paused. I mean, we would be like eight ten hours. So I mean, this is pretty good that. Yeah. So, but that being said, I don't necessarily want to keep you guys too much longer. Although we I'm sure we could drag this on and on and on and on if we really wanted to. But I I am starting to get hungry at dinner as you said he hoped dinner yet. The sun was still up when we started. But it's just real quickly. You know, final thoughts. How do you think going forward what this means for the MC, you what are you looking forward to because beyond Spiderman far from home? We know what movies are coming. But we don't have an actual schedule. Yeah. Because we ruin that. They decided you don't get schedules anymore. Yeah. Well, this firing Jane's gone rehiring him after he'd already been honored by the other company through things for a loop too. So. So yeah, we don't we really don't know. What is a few? No, schedule wise. We know they're still going to be another Black Panther. Right. We we know paying their we know doctors strange just getting another one eventually we are going to get a guardians three. Or this case as guardian suray 'cause four is out with the the guardian been Peter quail or go to argue over who's in charge. I guess we just. Dote? So like four left new Asgard and let Valkyrie in charge because he didn't want to be in charge yet a minute. He gets on quilt shifts. He starts acting like he's in charge looker doesn't change its spots. I mean only. Just try try try. Or ever find out if that was originally part of the ending right site changed after the James John firing just here ripped for the next guardians movie. Oh, shrimp. Yeah. Come out like next year. Yeah. Push twenty twenty one. So it was that supposed to involve Thor or not or I don't know. We'll never know. But how does that for just in case coming out police awesome? You know, mid credits and end credits that didn't happen for a couple of movies. So yeah, maybe they could just be messing with us at this point. Well, I may as you messing with us to some bet, you know, we just latte lying to us and trailers never. Editing. Thank. The next guardian movie could take place before and Finnity war. Bright. The sad one place. Well, before everything so yeah, I mean, I don't I don't know a lot about the characters that are in theory coming down the pipeline as far as like adversaries because you can't top Santa's really. They're going to try. Yeah. Right. Yeah. They may try to I don't it would be. It would be interesting to see if they tried to do like some sort of like saga tight soon that stretches out as far as listed or they'll try to do VAR singular type stories like Spiderman far from home. You know, we're getting Jay Jilin hall, and you know, that may end up being a singular thing or not. Although they did kind of set up at the end of spy homecoming with that made credit sitting with possibly like the sinister six down line. Obviously. Now that Disney has bought FOX. And they have all those IT's now. Deadpool the yes, we yeah. We just. I was actually switches great. Oh, man. I saw deadpool. I'm like, oh deadpool could totally fix Infinity or yet. I don't think that contract is clear yet. So you don't we've got we've got deadpool. We also means we have the rest of the X men, get wet they. Yeah. As far as FOX's x-men franchises. 'cause they're they're their own thing yet, we do have dead pool that crosses over. But I will control with it. If they when they decided to recast like everybody deadpool would just be like, yeah. Whatever. Yeah. He'll just looked at the screen. Explain to us. How it works and then move on. Yeah. Exactly. And I'll be called. So. I loved that bull. Ironically, my two favorite characters in the marvel universe are captain America and deadpool, can you be more opposite. Peak would love it, and I would pay money for that. So, but that doesn't mean we do have the X men, which means we could start potentially. You know, obviously, the X men and all those characters I know a lot of people wanna see galactic as the next dig that. Juries because you had a big a big powerful meeting like who was more about power. Okay. If they went somebody, more, psychological. What if they you know what I'm saying? Like that would be a nice way to to twist it. We would just be somebody who so sinister, and you know, what I mean gets in your head, and that could be an interesting village, and they have lots of those to choose from it could be a nice way to go. So it doesn't start to feel repetitive of who's the bigger Betty. We have you know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it in in the the second Dan the second guardians with five million at post the big credit scenes they did establish that Adam Warlock is coming. We. That's right. Yes. I don't know about him. Yeah. I don't I don't know a lot about him either. But from what I understand actually having four with a guardians would actually be a good team up against someone like, Adam Warlock. Gotcha. So for we wanted handy two. Yeah. Twenty fifty two or whatever we get around. Into it. It's pretty fast. Yeah. So I mean, 'cause we we've last ironman least as far as Tony stark iron man is concerned we lost Steve Rogers, captain America. We've lost black widow Clinton's probably retired officially permanently. Now, he'll go back to his family his kids. It'd be done with it. We do get the ruber Disney plus series where he like trains replacements. Yeah. It'd be Kim. Could that would be good? I fight. What has his daughter might become something? Yes seconds. I don't know. She could I think a lot of the kids could. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. But she's the oldest so engine lie. She would be the first one to get there to be old enough to do it. And she can totally become like a. Oh crap. What's what's her face? Beating Natalie Portman, do you think of now the the in the comics Kate Bishop? Yes, she can totally his daughter totally do fill the role that Kate Bishop does in the comics. Gotcha. So they give like Kate. And I could not get a lot. Well that Matt fraction story arc with the two of them that run from the few years ago is just those are some Rudy good stories that would totally work in a series thing. He does it plus series. Anyway, by most us a pizza dog. Now that was going to say, I don't care. There's a whole issue in the run for the dog's point of view. I think the dog's name is lucky, but he also like plays pizza. So he's also fridge with pizza, Don, and does wonderful issue pretty much just a silent issue. And it's the dog's point of view of the events going on around him. It's great. I get. Sign me up. So and then. Sam and Bucky are getting their own series on dizzy, plus q two. But we don't aware that going to be timeline wise, low keys getting his own series of Disney. Plus, we don't wear that the fault time-wise me every time line wise. But. Vision and Wanda are getting their own series. Obviously that's going to be pretty Infinity board. Let's. So because vision is gone. Yes. So I, unfortunately, all the people that died not due to the snap or not coming back. I think the more that we know is not coming back. It'll be the Comoro from twenty fourteen that will save from here on out, which is very soap opera issues like somebody who had it Legia for today. It is just fine though. It'll be. Like. This nebula ditches him in his ear that talking trait, right? Or keep flipping for options girl. Plenty of to say. Galaxy? The I don't know what they could potentially do with Mark Ruffalo. As professor hulk. What 'cause he's obviously become more of a pacifist. Yes. Character here and there the the brains that they go to when they need somebody super smart. And they seek to do a little hulk movie anyway because of the bell rights issue. Yeah, they want to anyway, they kinda got burned time. So yeah. Yeah. I don't we don't really I mean, we I mean, we definitely don't need a whole origin movie. Non. Or he had that was incredible hulk. Right. The whole in the credit you it is. Yep. Because it was done before the the Disney purchase anyway. So. Yeah. It is part of the MC. Even though the the crime office still isn't really an origin story because he's already become the hope by that point. We'll do the the show is origin in the opening credits. Yeah. Yeah. Which is perfect because we already know Spiderman we don't need another spider, man or down and Batman origin. We know his parents got killed on. Yes. Yeah. There's some origin stories. We don't need. Not so. So yeah, I mean as far as the G avengers are concerned other than Thor. They're out pretty much done. Yeah. And that's fine. I mean, it's another phase. It's there's closure. There's it's time to move on let these let the new blood. I mean, there's an auto really cool new blood. That's coming into this. We got that spider. Man. You know, Tom, Holland is great. He can't keep a secret to save his life. They had that boy on lockdown for a year. It's probably a good thing that they've gone professor whole 'cause they don't have to worry about Ruffalo anymore. That was mitigating a problem. On the other hand. Yeah. The work. Exactly. Of count your money. So it's like it. We've got some some fresh blood. I mean, there's obviously there are we've got captain marvel. Yes, you know, to to whether she'll end up taking filling that spot from captain America. And or Iran will be to be determined. I guess just power call enough to do it. But yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's like we we don't necessarily need an iron man type character. But I would down the line like to see I would like to see Br bringing reroute Williams. I don't know who that is to the iron heart. She's she's essentially Tony start. But she's young African American issues like super smart super genius Bill. Drool Narmer own armor us. She's like shorts like cake Suri and Tony stark and put them together. Oh, cute. A lot of people have been talking that. Maybe that shows gonna do that. ICU that he vote derive. Why I think I think bringing in Suri and Black Panther help. And I said this one we did our review Black Panthers. I think bringing in a character like her young female African American super smart super holding your own. Scientists is will help. Bridge that so that if they bring in a real Williams. Yeah. That will make it a bit more palatable for the people that just don't like change. Of course, you're gonna have all. They're still gonna you know. Yeah, exactly. There's so deal with precedent for having a character like that in the universe. So. Game. And of course, you know. I'm sure everybody, including myself is chomping at the bit for a quality fantastic for movie, I've really used to have hopes for that. I've Burnett, reg. I'm like, I'm belt. Give more chance to make movies. They are in bad fund there. Yeah. The the last one that they tried to make was a steaming pile again bother. Considering if you look at the other starts in stops with some of the other characters way are on our third Bruce banner. We're on our thirds fighter, man. Yeah. Why not get our third set of fantastic four third times chart? So I guess it's real I because I honestly they this is just my personal opinion that they are cursed with fantastic for I think it's a curse situation. Maybe refer that TV movie. They tried to do that. They never even finished or something like that. They didn't really I just think marvel. Who was need? There was one of those ones that they had to make it to hold the rights. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But they never bothered to release. It you're gonna find it bootlegs Lovie all over the state. Yeah. That one was just made to keep the rights. Let's just made it on the minimal budget. But it was like if they didn't make that movie the the rights would revert back to marvel trite. So then may of that. So they could hold on the rights on that later on. They got the other ones perhaps because of that somebody put a curse on it. Maybe today. Have you seen horrible capital miracle series? Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. I saw that. When I have to the horrible captain America went, oh, it's rubber ears on the helmet. Talk about that. And the Italian Red skill. Did I make it that far into it? Oh, could I say is curses can be broken. If the cubs can finally win the World Series. There you go. We don't get a quality fantastic for eventually. Yes. The power. And I'm just saying that I would not be surprised if Disney was thinking far into the future when Spiderman homecoming when Tony stark sells the stark tower, and they don't tell us to who that that could be the Baxter building. Yes. True. Just saying. Possibly there that if that's the thing because. On the record writer. The other is poor. Yeah. Or that? We haven't seen the osbournes yet in the in the marvel universe. Yeah. Well, the thing is though with. The spider man, all the fringe characters that go with that is Sony has all that the oil the descendant play within so long as the both making money. Yeah. Everybody's happy. Yeah. Yeah. Fox knew that, you know, they milked they X men for as much as they could. But that that cash cow brand right in the middle because of other issues going on. Yeah. Bucks. That's why the purchase happened. Yeah. Zony on the other with thousands episodes of the sedonia, plus and Sony had major problems to they've kind of they've survived from some. But yeah, they were they were thinking the as far as Sony is censored Spiderman is the spider. That's weeding the golden web versatile they've done it in the first place. I'd say it's probably gonna be a very very very long time before marvel gets Spiderman and all those characters back in the fold properly, right? So until then as long as they let marvel flush Disney keep playing with them. That's fine. Yeah. I'll take it. But. Long day before we. Save spiting come back into the whole probably, unfortunately, so but it is. But there's there's so there's so much material for for them to to play with. And I sure they've already got stuff planned that we just don't know of you know, as far as characters to be used, especially now at the FOX deal. Yo, I'm sure they had. Pathet, you know, at least script outlines written for certain characters. Yikes. Men fantastic for whatever ready to you know, green light to produce further. Once they were legally allowed to. That we just that. We just don't know about the great thing. Like with the marvel, you know, when they made the announcement that just the article, I did not know a whole lot about it. But I do enough about comic books to know that as far as material to work with it was brilliant move photo. Oh, yeah. Because Disney is so much about world building. And. Universe building telling very in-depth and detailed stories, and you know, that me that's their thing is storytelling. And I don't just mean just movies and TV shows they tell they tell literal stories in thing parks. Spill you'll wear us. Yeah. So it's just that they didn't want universal to get it. I'll tell you that universal would have got the marvel deal and for Martin theme parks that universal along with the Harry Potter. They already had. Yeah. No, Disney wasn't letting that happen. But I still think a good choice. I think it's a good homes. Yeah. Yeah. L no marvel staff over at universal parks is just it's so dated. We'll Perv the contract. It's like ninety thirties. Comic book this stuff was allowed to use. Yeah. So it eventually that that contract will reach its its ends. And then they'll they'll have to do something with that that area at universal and Disney can actually start putting marvel characters in the theme. Parks in Florida. Barks Florida's out 'cause Don allowed to use any of the characters that are portrayed at universal in Florida in Florida, Kevin Holo thing they can do whatever characters one out dizzy if the contract is like Eastleigh bills. Mississippi. Yeah. My goodness. Yeah. It's like they. Yeah. Say this is an odd geographic description. It's like they only have a one park. It's in Florida. It just making it overly dramatic enlisted disease going to like try to squeeze like marvel characters into their beach resorts at Hilton Head. Because I guess that would be east of the Mississippi as well. Down. So I I'm excited. I'm excited to see where they go with the the movies, and what that means for the parts as well. Let me cited for the guards galaxy right to open in a couple more years at prides and to be awesome sauce. I was there in October. And I saw they were building it. Yeah. Ninety family. I'm like, I my husband, and I got married it doesn't world. Oh. RB was there. So almost. We Honey moved there too. But yeah. But the time it was even. Yeah. It was a great wedding. I have not playing see I do it all over again. I would not change a thing. In fact, I did not get enough cake story myself, but it was it was a small wedding. You know, we were young and graduated just fresh out of college. And we didn't have a lot of money, but I really wanted to see wedding. So we went with, you know, his basic and small as you could do at the time. But we've always what we've always toy kicked around the idea of doing. Valerie, Newell, when you know down the line when we and being able to throw more money into it. Yeah. Yeah. To have you know, how the bigger party and invite more people in that sort of thing. But now they've been doing the marvel thing I'm holding off. It's like we're not doing. Onto marvel themed. We had we went in October because it was my husband and is twentieth. Wedding anniversary. So and the interesting thing was when we went when we were married. It was the third day opening of animal kingdom so animal kingdom had their big twenty year anniversary of twenty on thing. And we're like, oh, man. We're going to be so broke. So. Everything that had twenty on it. Of course, we wanted it. It's really hey universally and it's animal kingdoms anniversary. It's it is a magical place to heat. I mean DisneyWorld. Oh, my I if I do feel any better. I don't know if I feel any better. Yeah. Works some stuff out. I am you. Do you? I think my hungers may be clouding how and failing. Does going. Should go. Real quick play your player play your things where can people find you guys? Your stuff. Could pimp yourself out. Find our podcast where you find your podcasts Trudeau thirds, just search it. We have our website shoot after dot com. We're on Facebook onto true north nerds. Yeah. Look, I listen or don't whatever you want. Even ten at a. Mine is gals guide to the galaxy. And it's on all of the pod catchers as well. 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Episode #317: Welcome To Westview

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Episode #317: Welcome To Westview

"This is john bailey. The voice of honest trailers. And you're listening to the five ish. Fan girls podcast. It's a fan girl. Podcast with five ish people the tangent since we will continue squeeze. Take out the papers and the get not bandai pass. You ain't gonna rock and roll just as we continue all the way to episode three hundred and seventeen of the five ish girls podcasts. And what is grief but love. Persevering welcoming onto this week's episode of the five ish rancorous podcasts. Glad you could join us. Let's start off like everyone virtual table and see. Who's sean this week. Britney troy this is chrissie in salt lake city. This is sally from wisconsin. And this is free trial in indianapolis indiana. Everyone where we are indeed. We are reloadable just a little blip. You know my life happens as we all know from time to our broadcast early disconnected. Deal with some some reality. But we've we've told aggie to go back in the basement and everything's oh my goodness oh suck signing okay. Well we got to do the news. I have some news. Yes so i up convention news Gen con for this year is still happening. Thank goodness that's the good news. The bad news is if you had the aug states Blacked out on your calendar as gen con time hopefully wrote that pencil and you can erase it. And now blackout. September sixteenth through nineteenth instead so. Yeah so right now. They're still planning having In person event but they are hoping to have a hybrid slate of concurrent in person and online experiences. And there's also going to be they're also going to cap the attendants so it's not going to be your usual fifty thousand people at jan which is always a good thing this overwhelming just busy. It can get some days jank guy that like pandemic otherwise if you don't like crowds you're going to have an issue. I just just. I mean it sounds amazing and i've had friends that have gone to like it so it's crazy good. You need to go. And then i i think of those numbers of people and i'm like i got to think about this. I mean depends on. What your priorities. Are you know if you want to spend a lotta time in like the main vendor hall. Then yes it's going to be like walled while people all day every day if you're there strictly for gaming and a lotta times specific games if they're the the bigger the big ones like magic and catan and some dvd and stuff like that. Those usually have designated areas. Go you can stay. There is still a good number people but there are people that are there because they are into the same thing you're into at least you know you're in common ground so and then if you stick to even like the stuff that's not as heavily attended like the writers workshops and Some of the Panels and stuff can be less crowded. So we'll see we'll we'll we'll see how how it goes So yeah they're going to cap the attendants. There's going be a online events that you can do from home together. Do some livestreaming. There's also they're also gonna do some pop up events at your friendly local game store all over the place so stay tuned to the website. So if you can't make those dates they're still going to be jan khan adjacent events going on. That sounds pretty outside of downtown indianapolis. So so i i kinda like that idea of you know your local game store like hey were affiliated and if you can't get down to what a go big crowds right now than just keep it wherever it is. You go gaming. Yeah yeah so because the chain dates did take a number people by surprise. Who are at all like you know. I already requested off work. And that's you know it's unfortunate Well at least it's far enough out that maybe it'd still be okay. I don't know. I mean everyone's workplaces right some people you know. That's already in the school year so schools are started for kids. But yeah again. It's going to be different where you live. You know things year round school off. I don't know because yeah right after labor day so who knows some schools. Don't start until after labor day so assist. It's just yeah. It is what it is you're never going to be able to accommodate eighty And while this does it affect me At all but i do also have to give a thumbs up to dragon con because they have specifically stepped up and made announcements and are actively working on options because these dates that they got really the only ones available at the convention center because by them were also getting into the nfl season. And all the other things that the convention center in lucas oil. Used for so but this that particular weekend also happens to be yom kippur which is like one of the biggest jewish holidays for those that. Are you know ellery to sing jews. and so they are actively working with local synagogues and stuff To offer things like Services entry inspiration to services and stuff like that so they can if they come the could still participate off in gen con but also there. I don't know whatever services rituals whatever is that. That's that's that's good. That's great good job gen con as great as great idea. Yep so that is Jenkins hoping that it actually happens in person on september. Hopefully yeah well. I think the way things are going and i mean i don't want to go down this rabbit hole early but like around here. Even it feels it feels like it's starting to kind of loosen up a little bit so we'll see Hope springs eternal. Yes that is true. So there's that and then moving onto award season. Since we had the golden globes we have now have nomination announcements for the bafta hs which is essentially the british version of the oscars as delay the emmys. Because don't they do. Tv two or is that a different one. He though they do it's mostly movies. Okay but they have yet. it's all movies. But they do have some categories that the oscars don't have like Best casting is not one that we do for the academy awards And then they also have Best they have us international film or best international feature the they also have a category specifically for best british film so But yeah a lot. Most of the nominations are ones that we saw for the golden globes. So there's not really anything. I think surprising there But those will take place on april eleventh And then we also actually now have the opportunity nomination stu 'cause he kind of rewards take place not long after that on the twenty fifth of april and again most of the nominations are the same For pretty much all this all those categories so we'll see what happens thankfully thankfully your unchanged depending on how you look at it I have not heard anything from our cohorts. about Going toe to toe again this year. So i think we're off the hook for having to try to pick winners especially since. Did anybody see anything last year. In the animated category i've i've seen onward and soul. So yeah that's the same seen those. Yeah you have to like thankfully like on all the major categories like best picture and stuff because of the pandemic all of those are available on some streaming service but they're not all on the same streaming services you almost have to be subscribed to all of them to be able to see everything or at least get the The the free trial whatever that is for that particular streams some of them. It's yeah week summer thirty days and it's like oh you got to keep track of what you've canceled it. What you still need to get charged. When i do i'll get it. Watch what i wanna watch in. As soon as i'm done with it in boom. Yeah some of us will have to do that if we really if it were really that that motivated to see him. And i'm sorta like well maybe depends depending on the movie like when i wanted to watch anyway i would like okay. Maybe i'll go for the up so but like i said. The oscars are on the twenty fifth of april so mark calendars. I guess if you want to watch however they plan on doing that. Apparently it's not going to have a host lisa singular host because they haven't had the golden globes where they just do live from all over the place so we'll see speaking of oscars on latest episode of gold standard is in the feeds We did gentleman's agreements. So that was the big winner for forty seven. Wouldn't alerts not those outed movie. We've ever a surprisingly enough. Though i was the i was not the russians. Shut koala dj for this so amazing. Yeah here diary. Today today rut. Rachel was actually not the artist on an oscar winner. Yes mark this day down here done. You'll have to listen to find so there is back and that's Really for the news of oh we have a bit of housekeeping slash news. I'm not sure exactly. You know rob said that he was gonna make some sort of post officials announced so baby. That will be coming soon. I know he's he still actively working on getting the website of delay because the entire website got revamp but We are now our podcasts. A is now officially part of the southgate media group family of fog casts so yeah technically i was already part of it because of gold standard rob offered to have five. Girls joined the family and explain to us. You know what would that would mean and we talked about it amongst ourselves and decided. Yeah let's go for it so we are now part of Really amazing group of podcasts. And i'm not just saying because of the people hosts podcasts or friends exactly and we've heard on a good number of so rob is like i said in on ause. They're all they're all good. There are splendid shops all of them. Yes yeah rob still working on bios everybody and a lot of work because he wanted a all the shows that we've ever guessed it on some of us were just like give me scroll scroll scroll to ridiculous later some of that Skopje has no regrets. The regrets you do. 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It's just That brings us into this gate. Fold and the support of rob who is just amazing with all the back end stuff marketing and all those all those things and it's got a business degree so plus just it. It gives us access to waste to be in touch with all the other hosts of all the other podcasts. We now have a dedicated slack. Everybody uses slack for their work which is makes it really easy for us to be like. Hey you know we're talking about this topic. Anybody got expertise year easier than sending crapton of emails back and forth and making sure people read it. So yeah it's just on the back end it's gonna make things A little easier for us so cleaning very so. That is it for the new moving on to feedback. We got just a little bit of feedback. We've got gotta comments on our most recent post from our last episode less up so we did running for phantom talking about you know talked about random tuesday and i have been collecting medals. I i have three of them on the way some coming photo album on our facebook page so you can see our my income. I won't get pictures. You signed up yet because payday has closed for my kids. You know but. I saw the the samak six k. And i'm like outlander per me on my radar. So the next time i get paid and i have a little extra scratched than a That's going that's going on my list. Yeah i'll let you you. You will have to the other shoe britney. Don't talk she. She she kind of already knows. Yeah i know. Britney has joined the facebook group at least movie and what been running club i have two at. There's the phantom running club one which all of those facebook groups are enablers which does not help any at all. I did was look at the website and like oh these are pretty phantom. Running one was this. Would this would a debt. The phantom running one for the last couple years they have been doing battle of the phantom's fischel random tuesday so it's it's really just for yeah. Funding games But they do kind of bracket type so they pick phantoms have not really been represented in the official random tuesday with supernatural exception but They do just random phantoms. So like this re this most recent one where we're getting ready to start their ears. I joined the marvel one. Or there's supernatural one. There is a one for scrubs. One four dolly parton one for fans of les miz at. I can't remember some of the other. There's a supernatural one. Muppets one and i cannot remember the show princess bride. Yeah yep so you you you sign up you do you like your top three teams and then based on that they want to make sure that the teams have even numbers are numbers of people. But once you put on your team They have In this case it's ten days. Each team uses a app. Where you upload ego and do your runs or walks you know whatever you do on the could be measured You know on your phone. Or if you've got a fitbit or whatever And each day you upload your mileage and then they just add the mileage together And essentially the excuse me. The phantom at the end of those ten days with the most points wins and then they've got many things like putting like marvel and how to train your dragon this the other one so they put that a similar phantoms together and like between those two or three phantoms. Will whoever gets the most that gets bonus points and like yeah. Which team gets the most miles within a twenty four hour period. That's already been redesignated. Gets bonus points in that helps break ties and stuff so at the end you just get the chance to gloat say are phantoms bash. It got the most miles. And therefore you know the most points and stuff so but So that should be interesting. I know that. I do choice metals for that one but they do have shirts so if you wanted a shirt. Because they've they come designs and stuff so the whole the whole just random tuesday running thing. They're just all a bunch of enablers as far as The pala while to that group in like house common room groups. Yeah it in some innovative call. One it's kind of like that me when he say in you buy one more. It could be drugs. At least it's not drugs. Yes i'm back opposite of that. Yeah i've already gotten to the point where i had already gone. And it's on its way and i ordered a metal holder. I put your medals on it also holds you bibs so waited proudly bids yes off to kinkos or the like office depot. Something your local library. Yes libraries probably cheaper. Parcel just depends on what you have access to britney's out in the boonies so that's true. Yeah so but yeah anyway back to our feedback kansas. We'll never get to west side at this. At this rate actually. The feedback comment from unknown bothered for their name so he just said unknown. They said brilliant. Already a fan of this group. But wow learn some info so thumbs up. Thanks we aim to please glad that you gotta learn more about random tuesday. That was kind of the point indeed so no mention if the mentioned bandaids made them cry so maybe that was just me. We won't we won't judge if it did out at all. He s just like honor with kristof. Gwen cry i watch. I've cried over little things in. Bandaids so yep so. Thank you random person for your comment and for your listen taking the in sir. Collecting medals like the drugs are yes you know. We love reading but sometimes it's hard to find time to physically sit down with a book which is why the five ish ish. Carlson proudly partnered with audible audibles a leading provider of spoken-word entertainment audiobooks ranging from bestsellers to celebrity memoirs. Whatever makes you squeaky. there's a perfect. Listen for you. 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Five ish girls that's audible trial dot com slash five ish angles and now back to podcast all right so moving on to this week's dane topic brittany can be our new jersey expert. Save this. I've actually been refuse so i can't say this faith is west few in actual thing. They didn't make it up for the show. Oh okay cures. There is a place in. It's like a unsettling unincorporated. Yes thank you. I'm in new jersey in east new jersey. It's close to new york. Oh cool but is there an east hugh new jersey. Though that ad nodia we should be able to find out new jersey's not a very big state is not a lot of tiny little town villages. Like i don't know ships tangents cool. Yeah is you put on your best How fifties housewife dress and happen. The a family car and head off the west few new jersey for And be prepared for all the colby and cultural activities. Just she's a a search We're we're gonna. We're gonna get a dive into this. We're gonna episode by episode because this is. This is what the mcu does a story but building on what's come before and what a division does that on the small screen essentially in nine episodes. But i mean this is the you. This is what they do. Is the call backs to things that happened before. Not just in the movies but tv shows. Well we will get to that people in charge for stuff in canon as much. Just some people want to complain. That stuff is not candidate anymore now laying the groundwork for things that are the things we know are coming things that we assume are coming but have not been officially announce things that should be coming are coming. Officially announced a yeah. This is just for you. Know originally pre pandemic. The plan was as far as production was concerned that they were. They were going to produce these disney plus series and we were supposed to get falcon in the winter soldier. I but with everything that happened. We wanna vision. I actually i think in this case. That was a good thing. I think this is so we needed. Yes as weird and different and just like we got those first two episodes because they released the the to black and white episodes essentially on on the first day and immediately social media was split between people going. Oh my god this is so good. And oh my god what the f. has marzel done i don't yet it I say this. And i may very well be in the minority here. I okay so in the marvel movies i loved. I loved wanda envision. I i live their relationship. I love their characters. Will i wanted more of wanda from. Aj voltron And they just never. I never felt like. I got enough of it. And so when they announced one division. I'm like oh that's show. It's got be a show about wanda envision and then infinity were happened. Envision died and i was just like well how how what i so i was a little. I was a little upset. 'cause i'm like i'm not going to see i'm not going to see them. Get to be a couple or anything. And i was very up. I was very disappointed. And then you know we just kept watching this then. The pandemic happen then they announced. Oh this is still going to happen. And they had the the the promos for it and like okay. What is this. i'm very intrigued. And if nothing else just first off. It's something new to watch on something to look forward to which we have not gotten new. Marvel says well. Yeah i mean yeah just so marvel. It's just it's something. I'm going to try. I'm gonna try this out and these two characters. I liked to watch it. So yeah. I loved the fifties and sixties at the black vote. Those those sitcoms episodes. I had a ball with them. I just loved it. And i'm like i don't care if this is building up to something i'm not theorizing about anything. I am just going to enjoy a long time. Since i've had anything that i could just sit down and enjoy. And that's and that's exactly what i did and i know a lot of people like i don't get it. What's with the sitcoms. That it at a and i'm like you know what. Go away funds suckers basically my attitude for you to me. Yeah it mean one. Yeah it's not for haters. Sorry haters made maybe hate. But they're not welcome hater party over there Playing in the basement but he read with you here exactly but The other thing that i immediately recognized in general after just those first two episodes is you just have to look at the. Mcu is a whole real world. It is twenty twenty one. The who started in two thousand eight yes. It has been thirteen almost thirteen years since iron man. Yeah we got ardy j. Going i am ironman and getting denver. Post credits scene with nick fury and all that kicking off the mc you the this may it'll than thirteen years easy make you feel old. Yeah we're going into phase four. Emc you at this point. Yes we are still going to be getting new things that we have not seen before like eternals movie that we're getting coming up. That's going to be something new that unless you know what comics. It's not something we've really seen in the see you yet. As far as content but at the same time not all content. That is coming. From barbie disney for the mcu is not for newbies. Taking things for those of us that have been here or the long wall and don't need to be spoon fed information as we're willing take in what they give us fill you know either by doing our own research in between movies or episodes or whatever to you know figure out easter. Ag name gets dropped or something you can go look that stuff up or we're just happy to watch as they connect those dots for us. Yeah ever those dots get connected with the end of the series or in this case. Yeah we got kind of you know. We've got kind of a ending at the end of this series but the stories not finish and not going to be finished finished this is. Emc has never really finished. But we're not really going to get a conclusion to this part of wanda story until doctor. Strange which is due out until next year. Yeah well and also like you're saying you know this isn't necessarily for bryn brand brand newbies. No this is the well and and know kind of going off on that. It's like well this is on a streaming service and yes it's a streaming service at a lot of people have and disney plus pushing like every time you open it up like here's our brand new thing right now. They're showing falcon and winter soldier on the banner on the thing. So yes they're pushing it but at the same time it's like maybe maybe things are changing. Maybe after this pandemic the paradigm will shift a little bit. But i always feel like okay. Movies are sort of the the the general audience who like. Oh i wanna go see a movie on a on a weekend again. This is without a pandemic. what's playing. Oh there's a new marvel movie. Well i didn't see the last two or three. Well let's go anyway and you know just just to have something to do and to a lot of people go into these. I mean you know. There's the people who are hard. Like oh i gotta see it opening night but then there's the people who are like maybe it's been out for a few weeks and they're like oh i just want to go see a movie so they go see it. They might not necessarily sit down and watch it on streaming because like first off how many streaming services are there people have. And there's a million million things you could be watching so and like i said the paradigm could be shifting a little bit with with everything you know are quote unquote new normal. So maybe it's more like okay. Yeah the fans are going to seek out wanda vision or these marvel. Tv shows on disney. Plus they are going to sit down and purposely. Watch these so they can have that piece of the story that that's going on because 'cause we're invested in it we've seen these characters like i said i really wanted to see wanda envision as a couple working out their relationship and being superheroes and all these things. I wanted that story. I really did so i was like yes. I'm going to sit down and watch this. Maybe the other marvel stings all. Sit down and watch and maybe they aren't quite what i'm looking for but this one yes. This is what i want. So yeah you're right this more. For i mean i mean you don't want to say this me like oh you know. This isn't for you but at the same time. no we're not. I don't know that that's what i'm implying. It's i've kind of done my time creators. you people is telling the story. thank you for. Rewarding me for seating with you Yeah so if a new of and if a new becomes on like oh i wanna see. This is about well okay. You've got some homework to do it through two years of of the movie. But you're going to enjoy it you know but yeah i do like that feeling of. Hey i've invested in this so thank you for rewarding my loyalty. That's exactly what it felt like That says felt like yes this is. I've i've stuck around. And i feel like i've given something like a metal. You know vanna running hair her. You've been a fan. You deserve a medal. We actually get to get into some meat of of of wanda's backstory and even a little bit with vision and this other stuff that's going on and the one thing i love about one. Division is for the most and all address the the the not most part. it is something new from marvel. I mean you. We love marvel and they've done a great job with these stories that being said there is there seem to be a bit of a formula and it is getting a little samey in some ways. This made it. This was this was different enough. That i'm like oh you're doing something new and exciting and i'm interested not not that i wasn't interested before like i said but you kept me going. You kept with with with this new approach to it. You kept me interested as we're going on because this was a week to week. This wasn't here's these nine episodes go binge. It's this week you watch. And i kinda like that because we don't really get that anymore. Especially where where they're paying to sitcoms and those were week to week things so i kinda like the weekly okay. We're gonna sit down you know. It's friday night. Or you know. Friday if i work on friday i have to do it in the evening friday night. I'm going to go home and watch. This is going to be my reward for the weekend getting getting through the the week so i really love. I like that with the that. They're doing that. And i know some people are streaming. Why don't you just drop them in like because in. Its over in a blink. You don't really get a chance to like absorb especially with these movies or the tv series. That are part of a larger universe because we yeah people can pulling complying is like i saw people can play about one vision. Like what do. I have to wait week to week. I just want to binge it. And i'm like well. They've been doing the week to week since we got the mandalorian and laurie week to week. But with stuff where it's part of these larger universe and therefore so rich with just stuff. An- referencing building upon. What's come before and building on what's coming next. You almost need that to watch it and a dining maybe do some research maybe watch it again to see what you missed. The first time around the next one comes around. You've you've had a chance to actually retain a because if you binge you don't necessarily retain there is there is something to be said for binging. If that's that's what you wanna do that sort of thing you know arte binged. But if the format l'instant lends itself to it. They do it. I'm just saying like this is something it's different. And after a year of all we had to do was sitting binge movies and shows it's like it was nice to step back and you know if and now you can binge it if you want to. Because it was before it gave you something to look forward to i. I mean. I know it's weird to say that because we're like oh streaming services are awesome but like every time like like a show has dropped on netflix. Whether it's stranger things or fuller house or something. And i watch all the way through it. And i'm like well now it's over. Now what do i do. So know feels like i had the sugar rush and then i go then i crash But this one. I'm like it. Just i kind of got to enjoy it. It was a nice marathon. Yeah pace out marathon. Yes it's like seven weeks of just i. i liked it. I i had. I had a good time. It was just fun. Yeah it was a break from from all the stupid crap. Happening in the world has as is right and proper. Yeah i think yeah anyway. So so but So that's like our initial thoughts but let's let's get into the meat and potatoes here in this case steak diane with roster termidor as a jellies of course so We're going to in this go episode by here because we really need to talk about See the progression in how it builds upon itself and tells this tells a story Especially with us over all kind of theme Because this is chronologically starts three weeks after the end of end game so Hulk brought everybody back And then we have the big showdown with thanos. And of course. Wanda was one of the people that have been dusted Because of the the blip as they're officially calling it now in the call lipin spiderman. And now they're calling the blip in here. So i guess that's what we're calling the blip anymore. The snap though wanda was one of the people that disappeared for five years so she gets brought back and of course sets vision died right in front of her twice once by her hand and then by thanasis you know she gives thanos a run for his money and with between her and carol. They could've taken him out if he had not you know brought on them rush really Your powers come from an infiniti stone. Watch out that's all. I'm saying Yeah yeah so in know tony. Stark sacrifices himself to get rid of thanos and all his minions. And then the last time we saw wanda was at the kind of memorial service at the cabin So So it's now about three weeks. After that thanos being defeated fully and antoni starts death and everything so last we saw wanda she was with Hawkeye yeah talking about their those a loss because we also lost the tasha which is weird to think about getting a black widow movie like natasha. Not gonna win it. no that's before. I ne- y So now we are in our first episode which is in black and white takes place about the nineteen fifties the episode one film before a live studio audience which it actually was. Yes they actually of they did if you if you have not watched the assembled on either the behind the scenes stuff do so is just crazy just how authentic they wanted these first two episodes to be. I mean they wanted authentic through all of it. But especially these black and whites sitcom you. Dick van dyke that the which i you know type. Tv shows and i love the fact that they actually because the first one the house is styled. After the how the home in the dick van dyke show they actually went and talked to dick van dyke to make sure that they got this as the are correct to the way it was when they made the dick van dyke show. I love that. Yeah i mean there. There are some of us over here. Who like grew. Up on sitcoms nick at night or or you know wars run ones and i'm just like i loved it. I loved every minute of it. And i know you know it's kind of its own funny little genre and it's not quite as quite as much done today as it was back then. But you know it's just it's charming. And it's swift. And and the the effort that they went through to to to make it to make it authentic elysabeth olsen and paul. Bitney are straight up. They are so channeling. All those old sitcom actors. I'm like it just warmed my heart that i'm like oh you guys you actually do care. This is awesome. When i love it. The yeah they use authentic lighting they actually filmed with similar cameras in black and white so actually vision is painted blue because actually better in black and white than the magenta lead. he normally. Is you see the behind the scenes which that's in color and you see baalbek walking around with vision makeup on but he's got a blue head hands and it's like wait a minute that's not right but it's the way it works in black and white they did. They sometimes needed to use odd colors because it looks better in black white for those. That don't know here's a little weird piece of trivia house. Their walls were pink. Yeah well in the the addams family the exterior. It was bright pink. Yeah and then you know in doctor who in the black and white ones the center console was was like mint green. Yes isn't that great. It wasn't gray or white or anything. It just looked better on on the black and white film. Yeah yeah so but yeah. I'm definitely one of those people that Grew up with a lot of the sitcoms on nick at night obviously reruns that own. Yeah like i said there. There's there's a certain charm to it and that they went so they they worked so hard to make it authentic assist. It's great it's not. Just it's not just a cheap gimmick they actually put some effort into it. Yeah yeah and i it starts. It kicks off. Most of these episodes have a era appropriate theme song to go with all the music was done by the lowest who are all the first coco and yeah so or frozen and our cocoa has ever been stuck in your head and this music is now getting stuck in your head. You can blame them because the same. It was so awesome. I love all of it. Yeah a well. With the time periods as von. Yeah yeah i bounced around different ones getting stuck in my head as here one. I just i just love just swayed see soon out to go famous perfect. Yeah this this one is obviously. You're yeah you don't have to be a psychologist too. I think this most people know this But there are officially unofficially the seven stages of grief obviously as human beings. Most of the time you know if we suffer a loss we will go through these stages. It's not always in that the order that you see them listed right well sometimes you will bounce around. Sometimes you'll repeat steps. You may go from denial anger back to denial to starting to work through it and then something will trigger. You reminded something and you suddenly to guilt. So but in general this whole thing. This whole series is really giving wanda a chance to work through the stages of grief. Because she's gone not just the loss of vision but the loss of her parents as a child where she imperial were stuck in their home with that stark bomb for two days. Not knowing if it was going to blow up and going from that to volunteering for hydra and being under the thumb of striker yes. He'll always have time for you to You know becoming an avenger. The incident with In lagos lagos you know and her being called a terrorist and you know with the events cap merck civil war and then the you know infinity war and then game. She's just been through a lot. Yes it since. I mean she before. Even that she was is a cova she was living in this war. Torn country. Yeah the one episode where it flashes back to her life is like the mom looks out the window and there are. I mean it's it's literal warzone. And there've been a sit down and watch the dick van dyke show their escape. These american dvd's seemingly illegally and he sells them probably on the black market to make money. But that's what the people in saco via there was a market for that because because they needed something to escape from which is which is a lot of True-to-life of a communist countries soviet union and back back when in north korea now is they would smuggle they still smuggled those movies and the media because it's it's hopeful to them. It's home at shows them like what life could be like when they're not under the dictatorial thumb of whatever egotistical little snipe and. That's the nice word. I can just to give them like. There's some that this life isn't what isn't what what is what reality is. So it's you know to to us. You know maybe in the west seems a little like gosh. That's so trivial but no it actually helped them a lot and as the show is one vision shows for wanda. It's it's how she gets as how she copes with her grief because those shows were with her at all of her really hard moments in her life. So you know anyone if anyone makes fun of you for for your phantom well gee well you know. Even it's even like that for people not in Countries being ravaged by our. I mean i've seen you. I'm sure all the people seem to go. Yeah i mean and every now and then that that image or whatever the you know people You the reason that people will watch the same. Tv shows or movies over and over and over again is because it's familiar enough that you know if you suffer from depression anxiety. You're not going to have those feelings because you know to expect it coming. I mean the the whole wars zone thing that that that's just one example but yeah. I totally agree. I'm like i do the same thing. I think we all have those moments like I am cared. Give me an episode of full house Like i know i know. It's fluffy nonsense. I don't care. That's what i want right now actually In the middle of watching wanda vision. I'll say this My my grandmother passed away at the end of february. Just about when One division was starting to wrap up and it was actually that it was actually friday that we That we got the news. I was home and i was just like it and i knew it was coming and it really hit me hard but like and i was like well. You know wanda divisions up. I should watch that and i just kind of and i just felt like i'm just watching it 'cause i you know i've started it but it was just kind of this cathartic moment of i'm not dealing with family drama right now and we're like i'm doing something else and it really. It really helps it does. And it's helped. You know this kind of stuff helped me before. So i mean now we're talking about grief and stuff like that but so there's that they're yup but this this first episode is really kind of denial. Yeah there is really nothing other than till we get other than when we get to that point At the dinner. Party where mr heart search joke choking and actually ends up going into Twilight zone territory. They changed up the camera angles and some of the music and and the lighting and stuff. So it's a bit more. Twilight zone and vision uses his powers to poll. Whatever it is. Mr hearts choking on out of him because he's able to phase through solid objects So he's actually able to reach in and just pull it out of his esophagus and That's kind of the And them struggling before that to kind of tell their story because they're getting third degree for mrs heart. You know you know. Where'd you move from how long you been married. Why don't you have kids yet. Yeah that sort of thing and it's not that's the first time where we kind of get. The things are not exactly what they seem more. But it's not enough breakage that you can still have that kind of veil of this is reality and wanda is in pure. Denial of what has happened in reality. The ever heard this is reality and bear in mind like you said this takes place just a few weeks after game. But because wanda got snapped blipped whatever for her vision just died just yeah just a few minutes ago. Basically she's been gone for these these five years. She hasn't had a chance to process any of this. And now she is so yeah. Yeah so There's a few. Easter eggs will cover the easter eggs for each episode. to at least some of 'em there's a lot throughout the entire series but some of the real notable ones the wine served at dinner is called mayson new mimicry which means house of contempt and dig 'em on the bottle Because house of 'em is partially what they're basing this story line on where wanda in the comics. She creates a alternate reality. Were mutants do not exist. So kind of in the same vein. We don't have. We're not still not using newton's officially yet we'll get into that it is the idea of wanna creating this entire alternate reality because she cannot handle what's happening in the real world. The date on the calendar is august twenty third. Which if you write that In a way that you usually see in europe where they put the date and then the month in that order that makes twenty three twenty third day eighth month to thirty eight vendors comic number two thirty eight which came out december nineteen maybe three that is a comic that talks about how vision was revived. Period of hibernation. There is again references to the reference when the very beginning vision comes into the kitchen and wanda's doing the dishes and putting on my way in one of the plates breaks breaks as he's walking in and he's like my wife and her flying saucers she's like my husband is indestructible head so much. Because his head was yeah. You're had i. I caught onto like. Oh gosh young. And of course our our ad in this one the toast maintenance thousand by stark industries blinky. It sounds an awful lot. Like tony's repulse search. I mean there were some of these that i'm like. Oh my gosh. That is so morbid. But i kinda like it. Yeah so so. There's there's some easter they're the episode. Two is the other one in black and white but we moved slightly ahead to the sixties. Where tv is slowly going from black and white to more color but was some series start in black and white ended up ending and color. Go along like bewitch. Starting black might ended and color which the opening sequence of this the animation style. So fee. Which is i had to rewind that one and watch it again. Because i was just like this and there are many easter eggs just just in that opening there are six twinkling stars. The six infinity these towns in the when vision phases through the floor. You can see in the in the floor. There is the helmet of the grim reaper. Who is a enemy of both vision and scarlet which in the comics when wanders at the grocery store. You see advertisements for bova. Milk bova was in in the comics. Bova was essentially a cow. Who held raise wanted and kids. I mean we have a sentient horse. Probably coming in thor. Why not so anti as cat litter agatha and her cat ebony there is a statue of the wizar- on the table wizar- at one point in the comics was sought to be warned us father and then Eventually was killed off in vision star that wish and actually the wizar- appeared as a character in jessica jones in season shoe. I think It ended up getting killed to actually. So there's several easter eggs just that opening and we get introduced to a few more a few more characters because now the we've kind of established that wanna envision are living in this town west view Where and we only really met. Mr mrs heart and nigam at work yeah Enormous visions work where vision. Nobody knows exactly what they do with that company. Which again is kind of a trophy from sitcoms. Dad works what does he do. I got no he just asking him. Yeah yeah and we were introduced to agnes in the mention of her as there's on that we really don't get any other characters so here kudos to kathryn hahn awesome. We're gonna wax poetic about her about this entire thing. so So now we get more of the town because wanda in mouth. They dan Are now trying to be more involved in the community. So they're going to perform a magic in the community. Talent show which is a fundraiser for the children children original we don't see for several episodes yeah Their stage names allusion. Glamour are actually stage. Names used by actual Musicians a couple ilia and glynis czar of who our vision and wanda's neighbors in the comic vision and scarlet witch who we're also introduced to dottie who ends up being kind of a red herring. She's just neighborhood bitch she's not really anybody important When when you're introduced her. You're like i don't like you. Yeah as as a reason for that. But she's just she's just mean yep no she should turkic red-herring. Yeah i remember. I pushed on you going to be have to talk about all the red herrings in the show. Yes qb pump named scooby doo line. More also introduced to send your scratchy rabbit. Who apparently play baby. Jesus in the nativity play among other things that rather than scratchy. Because yes well. Scratch is agatha son in the comics. Some scratch himself yes. Yeah and then. We're also introduced to geraldine in this episode. Vs wada's pants are peachy keen. Oh this is this is so much fun to be my tag along through this whole thing. Play buying yona paris who is going to be important to really quickly. So yeah so. We get the fun Talent show We get to know get to know more of the residents of view Including herb and Phil who fill apparently husband. I think he is rethinking his life choices though that again in this in this episode. It's like i don't even care that. I'm really watching wanda vision or the young watching a marble show. I'm enjoying this the sitcom and at some point. I'm like oh my gosh. I can't wait for the next episode of the show. Wait a minute. It's going to change in the next one isn't it because i was just really enjoying all the sitcoms. Yeah they they pull off their magic act even with vision essentially being drunk cayenne. Who because he gets gum in his love. The cartoon that they did a word advance if they really dumbed down to be appropriate with an animation. Like gerbils running wheels this episode. They were just so clever with all of that and amy the warm fuzzies around like marvel. You you magnificent. You're wonderful. yeah didn't they. Yeah one vision end of winning an award for the talent show as like the best comedy act or whatever and they come home happy so we you know we succeeded where fitting into the community their trophy that they come home with is scotland's world grade at greatest grandma marvels already got trophy. Let's go to the props. We got the world's greatest grandma. Ads can be blackmore. They won't be able to tell it'll be far enough away from the camera will care right. Yeah they're the House the wanted visionary or living in at least as far as the exterior concern is concerned At this point is the national lampoon's christmas vacation house and The house next door house is the murtaugh. G- house from lethal weapon. 'cause buy houses this the warner brothers ranch which is also where the bewitched house still sits Which this episode is based on essentially Is bewitch so. That's fun but we do get a bit more of reality. Starting to break in wanda finds that helicopter that is in kind of the iron man colors. But it's got on it When when the We get the voice trying to break through on the radio. When wanda's with dottie and dotty freaks out and breaks the glass and we actually see blood on her hand is red and that kind of it breaks the spell for a minute and i love. I love It helped me wanda's what's help me. Rhonda is what's playing on radio but when we jimmy lose voices coming through every so often he would say wanda and it would be right in time with the song so it'd be like help me wanders iran. I love that will. I will admit bunk. When i first heard that song like years and years ago and i always missing as helped me wanda yes thank you. Somebody is vindicated. Me worked. It's like it was the yes liberty you know marvel fixed for me. This is all law. Christine was going to take that victory and run with it. Then at the at the end we get the big reveal. That wanda is pregnant and intrusive compassion. She they she gets the announcement and then she's like eight months pregnant five. Yes yeah but Be so they have the moments those this really happening like. Yes and then there's a disturbance outside of the gartside and we get the appearance of the sword be key because the sword in the comics the sword suits kind of like there has matt type suits have always kind of looked like a beekeeper suit so they've always unofficially been called beekeepers sword agents with that suit so to have him literally turn into a beekeeper. Nice easter egg. Nice little wink wink. And we get and we see more of want a controlling things. Because we get a rewind like that and she envisioned going back to having their moment of we're gonna have a baby and everything turns to color did with all the to john and kind of to jump back. I love the old. I think he was this one with the opening. They hear stuff rattling yes. Let's say their window dishes. Scared wanders like. I'll have to take care of it. Then i guess you will and the beds go from being two separate beds one. Big one new husband and wife the same bed. It's like. Oh gee ricky leaves. Lucy ended up with child and she ricki slept in separate beds. One at least with robin laura. They already had their kid and they never had any more. So you can just do the math So that moves the steps three now in color and this is pretty much wanna goes through nine months of pregnancy in thirty minutes. Give or take a couple of weeks you know. She's running the reality. She can do what she wants. currently though But yeah we're now we're in the seventies And we get another crate opening credit very In the vein of the partridge family as far as you know the slot tamarine's dot dot com division. Yeah the house is definitely a bit more brady bunch you see vision trying to put together a swing set and the grass is obviously like the astroturf that the had you know like. What are you growing over there. Yeah go mow the lawn. There isn't a lawn out anyway. Meanwhile herb is supposed to return the bushes and is he's not he's not but yeah there's lots of calls to fund seventies Things you know with a polyester bottoms kind reds and browns. Yeah worrying yeah you get a lot of orange and then you put a geraldine and just as blue. Yeah super bright blue outfit. It's kinda matter crazy pattern pants. It's kind of interesting because there's all those you know browns and reds those kind of seventies colors in the here's geraldine and blew it almost like that's almost a clue there that Something about her. Yes she she stands out. She's not fitting in like every like a rarity else eight. She's got the blue that i shot. It was like blue silvers whatever it is was like dang but as as one it gets more and more presidents at eventually goes into labor the pregnancies messing with her powers which creates a lot of kind of wacky shenanigans. Bendy coach the numerous co changes. Yes oh gosh which was crazy. 'cause again they're still filming in front of line audience so they would have to like a lot of these facts. They would have to do when when wanda was trying to make dinner in the first episode with recipe cards floating. They just had the one fishing line. And you know if something had to do a quick change they would be like you know when the chicken when she burns the chicken they had someone hiding behind the counter and they'd be like you know she would do the move. She would you pause and then they would sort it out. Chicken real quick right there in front of the audience and then they could just cut the film afterwards to to make it work. So yeah they're doing a lot of Special effects practically like when the coach changes. Elizabeth would just have to hold it. They become take the jacket off of her and put the new coat on. And then keep going you know. So but Yeah so In at this point We're as far as the stages of grief. You can kind of equate this to anger a bit especially wanders reaction to geraldine after her babies are born because visions go collect the doctor. Geraldine comes over and again. They tried to do the sitcom trope of hiding the baby belly with just stuff fruits and big coats and stuff and Tell eventually what. I can't hide it anymore. And there's a stork literally walking around getting ready to the storks here babies So so geraldine is there to. She delivers the helps deliver the first baby. Which is conveniently behind the couch and she'd saban's to have a blanket wrapped the baby ended. It's perfectly clean and crying and happy all these things and big cra newborn. Depends i guess for tens. Yes yeah both. Multiples are typically allots smaller. But again magic magic. Yeah yeah envisioned. Is there to help deliver the second baby. So now we've got billy and tommy. Because they were arguing over names now. They don't have to decide because they've got one of each and put. Let's hope for a girl way to solve it. There was never any doubt that it was gonna be and then we get another ad in this case for hydra soak. Oh gee. I wonder what they're reference thing. They're all i know is after between lewis and alternate reality colson in the framework with his with his homemade soap. Stay way for many hydra bath products apparently as such a connection. It's like blue so if it's by hydrogen and warned you in the framework of soap of blue. Stay away from you. Yeah was like make that rhyme. So but they the realities re really has been broken Because wanda start talking about how. She was a twin. She had a brother. and geraldine. doing air quotes can't see geraldine is like. Oh he was killed by altron. And then wanda realizes gets a better look at her and sees the necklaces. She's wearing as as the sword mogo dependent and We don't see it. But i was there and then she's not so but yes she got really mad and they may buy. You need to leave now. Yes and up until now like we've gotten little hints of what's out there but it was outside this little town but this time we actually see much stuff like we see this this military style camp and you know vehicles and all. This stuff is like okay. What's going on. yeah A few easter eggs from episode three When vision is practicing the diaper. Change the doll that he practiced on is kitty carey all who is a doll from the actual brady bunch. And actually we see her later in the series. When we see wanda watching the brady bunch. Yes and it's that it's that doll So and of course we get the hexagon shapes in the opening title sequence Which is a nod to In the early comics of scarlet witch. Her powers were called hex powers That could cause random unlikely events to take place Which for the comic writers enable them freedom because it meant that they could use her powers for pretty much anything because plot and then kind of a behind the scenes easter egg. The paint that wanna uses in the nursery brand of the paint is similar. Which happens to be the last game of the series story board artists jeremy sensor hall so fun thing i think is kind of a disney sing. Maybe marvel because disney especially in their attractions would put if they could fit names of Imagine ears who worked on that specific attraction in there somewhere so this kind of a disney thing to be able to get names of the not the people that normally wouldn't get recognize like you're gonna know kevin vike to know the story boards artists last name with similar. Yeah otherwise unless you go onto imdb and look that stuff. I mean you you watch through the credits but there are so many names on that thing. It's yeah yeah. And you're like thank you mr similar and and all they all you other people so Episode four we interrupt this program so now we're going outside of westview to actually three weeks prior to the start of the anomaly in west few with seeing what it was like at least in we can imagine this was the case all over not just earth but the entire universe because it wasn't just ursula was affected as carol they told us in game is like it's not just your planet this is happening. On the entire universe have universal. This happened but we get a small window of what it was like. After professor hulk brought everybody back and in a word chaos. Yes i mean. You're five years of of half. These people have been just gone. And then you know you can show up in like eight. And i love. I love what they did with like with monica rambo. 'cause is opens with. She's waking up in a hospital room but it's not her little room. She's as a visitor but the bed is empty. tried aol asks donors will wear as my mom. Take her off for tests or something. Yeah they're like well. She died the to two or three years ago to or two for for monica. She died two years after she after she disappeared. So so for monica. She's like her mom and dad for three hours essentially but for her. It's like well. She just had her operation and her surgery and it was a success. What why why cancer he had cancer and like gannett came in there like yeah and then it came back and she died. And you weren't here. So i mean that is a cause 'cause when you were in game all those came out like people were saying like what would happen if you know there. They're all these scenarios of that would be disaster which kevin psyche has has clarify that because it has asked repeatedly about everyone reappearing after professor. Whole beyond does the fix it. Snap and fight. He has said saying that professor hulk account for people's returns and make sure that he would make sure the each person would return safely so if someone had disappeared on a plane they're not going to reappear in the middle of the sky or something like that would re materialize in a safe environment yet. Not on top of somebody else either. Which which we see that. Nobody may cause people are panicked. People running around but as people are reading ising. They're not they're only running into somebody because there wasn't somebody standing there just a moment ago. Yeah and it's like an realizing like in somebody who's happens you sitting there in a wheelchair or something. Yeah but it's like all these people just showed up and they have no idea because for them. It was like two minutes. They reappeared where more or less where they disappeared and when they disappeared. They don't realize it five years in clothes. They were wearing clothes. I love they address. I love it. They address that with this with with monica and her mom and we see like oh. My gosh like you like for you. Your mom should be fine. She should be in this hospital room just recovering from surgery and no. She's she died because you've been gone for five years and you didn't even know it. Thank you thank you for addressing his as harsh as it is as terrible as it feels later. You know when. Monica is back the sword. And there's those big screens on the on the up in the ceiling or whatever showing the news reports of people who've been family's been reunited and people this is great wonderful thing and it's like will. Yeah for for some people that you know that that were blipped. you like. She was blipped and she came back and her mom was gone. And i love that kind of parallel with wando where she same thing with her she. She lipped and the person that she cared the most about was still gone when she got when she came back his body was on. Yeah in his body was gone and same with monica. It's like the bed was empty. So it's like it's an it's an interesting choice they made their and i don't know if it's i. I have no idea if it if it comes from the comics. Or what. But i just was like. Oh my gosh. This is brilliant because we only touched upon it just a little in the last spiderman movie. Yeah fundraiser and you it may you be saying like i came back and there were people living in my apartment you know. Yeah yeah people would be like. I came back and you know my spouse had moved on and married somebody else. We just a little bit of that in spiderman but this shows like the immediate aftermath of what happened immediately after his fingers. Yeah and you and you see it like through. Monica is because yeah. We're working through her point of view and she is she stated and like the world went on without her and she didn't even know she left. Yeah and and to come back. It's it's it's a shock for her and has also a shock for us because she comes back and you know we we if you paid attention to the announcements and stuff we. We knew that tiana paris was going to be playing monica rambo. She did not know that. This is not this. I know a little bit as well and she was like. Wouldn't it be cool. If i was playing monica rambo and then that turns out exactly. She's play she usually audition. She had no idea but we do that. Yeah when we get insurance geraldine. We're all like okay. Yeah monica yoshi. She doesn't know who she is in this reality. The that's fine but feo because we knew we were going to get grown up monica rambo. Because she's kidding and captain marvel 'cause it's the nineties here it is. Yeah this is now twenty in in universes twenty twenty three which is scary to think that we're so much closer now to being back in sync with the mcu than we were in the end of helps that we if your offer pandemic i it was i remember it endgame later. The mc is now in twenty twenty three and in one thousand nine hundred like so far away and now it's like no now we're a whole lot closer to being back in sync with the mcu. Listen to you this is it's now it's twenty twenty three in monaco's all grown up to find out the the great maria. Rambo is no longer with us you know carols best friend and photon the other. Half photon and marvel. Though are avenger. is is is crazy to think that monica's gone murray area. Meritas has gone it where we are now in the mcu is is crazy about and something has happened in the relationship. Between monica and carol danvers. Yes i very quiz. What's going on dale like because You know when she gets three weeks the everyone comes back three weeks later. She's back sword and Meeting up with with tyler hayward director hayward which shield and sword art terrible picking people in charge. I don't know who decides who's going to be other than into other than heal well and i this mad. I made this one kind of made me think well it was. It was supposed to be monica but she disappeared and there really wasn't anyone else so yes he sucks. There wasn't anyone else. They're there to pick up the fried with just even even at even at this point being introduced to him. I'm like i'm not gonna like you. You're going to do something that's going to make me. Not like you know. In his is like going all hydro. I could just tell he was going to do something to make me not like him at some point. Just have see. Here's just made me wary of of authority in general fury your colson. Sorry i take comfort in the fact that it was supposed to have been monica. Yeah but you know she wasn't around so you know at least they're not entirely incompetent but so but yeah at this point. We have soared. The cynthia weapon observation response division so much observation as response as we as we will see as time goes on before before everything. Monica was not working up space. But now she. The astronauts in general have been grounded including her So hayward center to help with the fbi for this missing person's case and we meet up with agent. Jimmie wow will we. Man in the office managing. He's gotten better rish so he's got much better. Does magic magic tricks since two thousand eighteen and That's where we get the the outside view of of westview at least from one side of it from the from the outside They tried to send it. In a drone it just disappears that modern drone ends up turning into the sixties. Kids helicopter the wanda's finding other bush's And then Monica ends up getting sucked in losing her memories of who she is and becomes geraldine until she gets kicked back out again. Yeah it's one thing. I really liked. Was you know when jimmy is like. There's a two police officers standing there at the city limits. And you know there's a big sign you're welcome to view and they can see the town and they're asking like in the ask mike. Okay you know where what town behind you. What town there's no town they're like. Well it's wes you like. There's a few. I live in east view. I mean it's supposed to be something weird is going on but at the same time. I am just cracking up because again. This is marvel being marvel famous misdirection. Unless what it feels like it's like take you know. Take it up to eleven with your misdirection. And what the heck is going on because honestly up to this point. I thought wanda envision were trapped somewhere and they were like hooked up to some experiment. Mind thing or whatever. I had no idea what was going on. But that was my guest and i'm like no this doesn't make any sense. This is westview so so. I love this episode. Just kind of lead you along but yeah that scene with the with the police officers saying there is no westview like there is no war in boxing. Say if you ever watched laboratory last year vendor congratulations you know that that reference so So monica get sucked in. And that sends your jimmy. Who is still on the outside. So that sends everybody into like a sword. Agent has now disappeared into this anomaly. Yeah let's get the call in reinforcements. So they set up a Kind of makeshift thing. You know settlements with labs and scientific equipment and everything and they're start they're bringing in nuclear physicists and chemical engineers all these sorts of people all sorts of smart people and that includes dock. Your time we see girl. A doctor darcy lewis. We gotta make sure. She's not just jane's intern anymore. She's got her own doctorate so But yeah so happy to see cat endings. Back as i loved. Rc a character and she's out of the comics you know. She's not like colson where they made her up. She's from the comics so But yeah as awesome to to see her again. She has not changed any Her she's just as sarcastic and all the things. I love about dr sue. Nothing has changed at all. But she is the one with her scientific know-how and this is at least in universe somewhat grounded in actual science because darcy the kind of radiation that is coming off of the force field that is keeping everybody out except for monica is radiating it cer which is cosmic microwave background radiation is supposed to be radiation from the big bang still reverberating throughout the universe and creates tv static So in quasi reality In universe this actually works that Darcy finds those tv way because the It is thought that the infinity stones were created during the big bang and wanna got her powers from one of the infinity stone so they are going to have a similar signature. So that's why the power i by that was broadcast is going to be on a similar signature wavelength as the nbr because the vity stones were created a time that was created. Yeah i'll take it. I'll about science but that sounds good to me. Sister found that she's the one that's kind of watch agai- darcy kind of gets to be kind of the stand in for us you know are the outside. She's watching and she's taking notes. So that you know when Wanda has the twins and she said they're watching with with jimmy next to her. She's like twins. What a plot with jimmy. She's like one again for like the past three weeks at this point. I've been hearing people like why they sitcoms is so dumb and then this episode like validates all of that all darcy sitting there like i'm invested in this. I'm like still thank you show. Darcy is is is us there with eventually yes yeah so yeah and then so When geraldine gets kicked out by wanda she pops back out right there. Where they are still wearing her seventies costume Dow she's she's free at the moment to tell them what they need to go. But we have to wait till the next episode of that information. S so the plot thickens and nobody seems to what the heck is going on. We are invested we are we are all darcy and mustard which helps because the next episode episode five is now under the eighties with on a very special episode. And i think this family ties growing pain. Mo- house like this one of all the all the opening themes was my favorite probably. Because these were the new sitcoms. I was growing up edit just the the theme song the little family painting all the little things like hello. This is beautiful. Thank you again marvel because just yeah. This is a delight but you know and like the opening the opening credits. It's it's kind of that. The family ties theme. Slow tardelli times. A growing pains had the same kind of thing. But they've got. They've got a wanda envision running around because we don't get the opening credits until after the cold open where wand envisioned are struggling. Because billy and tommy as infants are not wanting to go down for naps and saying all crying crying crying crying anti agnes shows up to try and help. She was on her way to jazzercise They have a moment where i don't know she like flubs her lines. I think is what they're trying to imply and she kinda breaks the reality of it But then they just pick it up and just go along and of course wanda just trying to wave away. Because she's just happy to have help with the the twin but What was that was going on so now. Vision is starting to see the cracks as well. and the agnes is all like going through their their cabinets. She's like. I'm just looking for your dark liquor. Oh not for be for the babysitter. Shares have a babysitter. I would be all the sudden. It's like quiet like did it work. Does she get them go to sleep. Now they're not crying anymore because they're not anthony more now five Self is a tv trope where child children they would replace them with older actors for that same character way faster than a child would actually grow up as much as like oh. My child grows to kids growing up some fast on beds. That's a little much next time. I see a parent a po. Something about where did my baby go where to time. Go how they grow up so fast. I'm like what do you want to. Yeah so then. We get the opening credits. Because now they they're rang around with five year billion. Tommy and they can do stuff and they get the running through the grass and having a picnic very much like the full house Opening credits which fits the time period for one is also a nod to elizabeth's very famous older sisters who played you know they've they've michelle. Michelle on never made an appearance on fuller house referenced. Yes seen new but just just kind of it makes me happy. Elizabeth is is doing her own thing in his is in her own right doing doing well and acting so you know what fair enough yeah. It's it's all good or guoco with it So but yeah now now that the boys are Up we get some more We go back and forth now between wonders reality inside. The hexagon darcy called hex again. A nod to wanda's powers re being referred to as heck's magic in the comics and soared on the outside. So so we get to go back back and forth to help kind of move things along here. So in the heck's voice find a dog they wanna keep it wanda's about to give in. She even manifest a caller for said dog The vision is like Visits the they're old enough and they're like wearing your shit beat ten before you can have a dog so boom. The boys are now looking at each other in what was like no. Do that happened. Spanish like twenty minutes one division of gone from infants to ten year old as as for their children to wanda fashions. The dog collar there envisions just. Like what will you do. You're doing that in front of agatha or agnes. Well she was. She was looking in that direction. Right which in in sitcoms if someone is just you know if they're just looking over in the corner the automatically cannot hear you talk or see what you're doing Or anything like that you know. Yeah or the or the fact. That vision first comes into the kitchen and they're like you know like what's your human face and he's like i was just shared. I had a feeling that someone someone was going to drop in unexpectedly with actually item. We need we doghouse. Yeah meanwhile outside word base. They're doing tests on monica and we're learning. That monica was in there. She's sympathetic for what wanda's going through Jimmy seems to be in on her side. Obviously darcy is invested. So she's going to be on on monica side But hayward not so much. Yeah there's there's got to be one jerk. Yeah yeah he and he's trying to convince everybody. That wanda is a threat. He ends up showing them what we find out later. Stealthily edited footage. Of what looks like wanda busting into sword headquarters and stealing visions body when the satellite footage or the the source of that footage is from satellite three forty eight a vendors issue number three forty eight in part deals with a restored vision trying to reestablish his former complete identity. Ooh and you know. It's funny that you know they have these superheroes that you know. Are there to protect them or to stop the bad guys ended. They just want to blame everything on them. Yeah well jimmy will based on that. Jimmy was like what she that that puts her violation of section. Thirty six of the kobe accords Because they assume that she resurrected vision. Section thirty six b of the accords. talks about the creation and activation of artificially intelligent androids and that actually was mentioned earlier in ages. Shield during the ghost writer. Run back in two thousand six lear back when yes seems so long ago. Two thousand six. Don't she doesn't sixteen. yes right. Okay i was like wait thousand sixteen. I can't even read my own. Handwriting was going to being sick when i can't read them. Half the time is beyond me. I just mentioned. Because i knew we would get emails. Yes two thousand sixteen at one in the six anyway. I tried to write good anyway. Agents of shield connections Yeah so we got some divide going on there between people at sword you know. We kind of got Rambo wu and louis kind of in their own little pod and everybody else's like you know going by the books following director hayward and that's not going to go over well especially when if i Yeah mon- monica gets the idea that because she realizes because her clothes her seventy outfit Retained itself when she came back out and being is in the lab and when they tested it comes back as melissa. Kevlar because she was wearing. Kevlar clothing when she went in. And that makes them realize that what goes in is just being rewritten. If something enters. Yeah what one thing i liked about that moment because you know we were. I was thinking like okay well. Her clothes change when she went in but she got to keep the. They stayed the same when she came out. Why is that. And she made this comment. Like wanda let me. Keep the clothes as they were her. So it's kind of like wanda doesn't really mean anything malicious exactly with all the so like all these questions that were that would people would come with like. I came up with a knife out of that. They answer in the show. Like there's some shows or movies are just like well you just have to accept that that's how that's how this world works and that's it But yeah but they actually. Yeah i mean they they they make an effort to make these things make sense at least in the middle episode. I really appreciated that. And i love that. They that they did that. Because that means that they're thinking of their audience or thinking of their story and their characters so it was good to see that. Yeah well it also comes into play later to two comes back out. You know it. At the time. I was like oh this is awesome. You guys actually competent at this like monica. Says you know 'cause it's like she threw you out. It's like yeah but she threw me out like if if she wanted actually had ill intent. She could've just you know done her. You know scarlet witch thing. Their hands your wispy things and just putted. Monica out to anywhere. I mean she could've had her just appear outside of the heck's timbuktu no she had her fly out on the lawn somewhat safely right there where people could get to her and get her medical attention and she would. I mean she. She wanted her gone but she didn't want her dead yeah yep yep no vision vision goes back to work now. They've got the internet. Dial love but they have the internet and electronic mail. Thanks norm And Again reality is seeping in. They ended up getting accidentally getting an email From darcy and Vision ends up unlocking norm for a little bit But norms just so like. Oh my god you know. He ends up putting him back under because he's just so distraught. He's not really able to get answers. Out of him and vision is is so weirded out by that he's like i can't deal with this so go back to sleep. Yeah yeah yeah. In the meantime The billing tommy are Taking care of sparky straight out the comics. The they did have a dog named sparky. Although i think sparky was an android Yeah he was andrew dog. The name sparky is even funnier when he thinks a robotic dog canine So they've got the dog sparky But sparky ends up escaping and running away when soared since in that drone. That's from the eighties. Therefore it should not need to be rewritten. Because it's era appropriate. I to make contact with wanda but the joy ends up being armed and hayward being a dick that he is try shoot. Wanda does not work very well. She ends up taking the remains of the drawn. Back leaning axe back in her Like outfit she wore from civil war. I think and You know being like this. Is your warning. Leave me my family alone. I won't hurt you i. We'll have to hurt. You just go which does not do welfare hayward's ego though in. But so then want to go back hayward has to go with his tail between his legs the moments and they go looking for sparky and unfortunately he's found at agnes house. Apparently he got into these alias and ate some of it which is l. is actually are toxic to dogs among other plants So if you have an animal you marijuana plant as elliot's in your garden in your your curb appeal. Just don't know they will just on things they what's bad for them. Yeah although hence the title of very special episode. Yes it is it works. It works on so many levels. Yeah saying we're generally funny occasionally would have a very special episode where they would focus on something a bit more serious like a death in the family own. Somebody getting a illness diagnosis or drug and alcohol. And all that stuff. Yeah yep and hayward should be taking a page therapies. Do not have a certain doctors. Look you don't want to see her angry. You're not throw right knee. One i mean green again. Beezer superheroes like you know freak out on them the sokaia. We accords and everything. So what are you trying to piss her. Aw exactly by that hoops late not actually at boop the intended. Yeah we we have this beautiful moment though With tommy billy after sparky dies they want their mom to use her powers to bring him back and she kind of has to explain. You know it's like some things can't be reversed considering we know what you want is on is kind of hypocritical but i don't think seniors white is really realize what she has done she starting to she hasn't realize the full extent of what she's done So they have to have a talk talk with the boys about death and grief and they looks like they're going to age themselves up again to grow to be more matured to be able to handle their feelings. I don't know. I don't know how aging yourself up would help. They're like your for. Let's do it again. yeah So but yeah. So they have that that that that talk and then when the boys go to bed and it's just Vision wanda and he tells her about what he experienced at work and they try to go to ending credits vision. Just won't let let it go either. Having this week at that shot that i think it was in the trailer of them. Both levitating in the living room facing off to each other and it finally get. He finally gets through to wanda bit know. Because it's like. I don't remember my life before us coming here. I know you're controlling these people and yeah he missed it he scared. I'm scared for what this means for us for our family. Our future that sort of thing and that kinda gets through to to wanda and she's like i like. I don't know how i did this. I don't you know it's like i. I'm controlling it. But i'm not And a you know. They're having this kind of heart moment now that they've kind of got their frustrations out and the doorbell rings s who come to town question. Mark long lost brother and yet it is not him. Yes yeah remember him in. This universe birthdays reaction she me. There's leap past that line. So many level in meta peters played quicksilver in the x. men fox walks verse. Yeah and you know okay you know q. Every theory you know multi-diverse here we go. We're gonna keep your finger on that thought because question. Mark question tilts. Yes question marks the riddler. Let's just get. Yeah then we go to closing credits and move on to episode six. The all new. Halloween spook tackler. Because you have to have at least one holiday themed right and any sitcom yes and of course. This has to be halloween because they get to dress up as traditional scarlet which traditional vision which given what happens later in the series on like. How did wanda think to even do that. It's like She's a psycho. Vian fortune teller right so and vision is of mexican wrestler fishing. Yeah the dora is masks. Do not look like that doesn't know any spanish. Either other cartier. Yeah so what you think. It means yes. Well it'd be chilly. Carney is what it means. Right with me Fill but now we're in the nineties are opening credits. Air a oma to malcolm in the middle with the The crazy opening looks like they filmed on their home. Camcorder By billy and tommy the lyrics. You have to this. This is where you get to the point where the lyrics starts the lyrics also in the the the the opening theme are getting pointing you towards not everything is what it seems like our very first one was just you know you know a newlywed couple. You know on the sanyo happy but now as as we go along the songs have lyrics are starting to get more the crease showing the cracks in reality to you know talking about life sometimes can seem like it's Chaos all sorts of things You have to listen to the lyrics of the of the song so s you want game. Stop sunday's talk computers easy. Conrad why it's all back. George strikes dan but Yeah it's It's fine that you get billion. Tommy breaking the third wall in this case talking directly to the camera like malcolm did in malcolm in the middle So that's that's fun but It's it's halloween and The boys are supposed to go trick or treating With with their parents vision claims that he's supposed to be on patrol because he's joined the neighborhood. Watch all the way back in episode two and so Uncle is like i'll take him and of course you know he's being the the crazy uncle bad influence even call him. A man child was billion. Tommy gets well ph gets a version of quicksilver look from the comics and One of the boys can never remember which one's which who will eventually end up with similar powers gets his version of the costume. And then the other one has i think it's billy thank and then thomas the one with the the longer brown hair think ever remember Not even like identical twins to tell you which one's which then the other one is wearing his version of his costume in from the comics as well so everyone's kinda wearing their classic comic book character costumes for halloween which it works perfectly And i love how they did. Not even though. This is marvel and disney if you watch the townsfolk nobody is wearing like a disney costume or another actor or even even for that era. You know at this point. We're in the nineties so you could easily have like a little girl walking round is the little mermaid or something or they don't do that there. Yeah they're just generic costumes. Girls poodle skirts. Herb is just dressed as frankenstein's monster people's van pires just you're very kitschy generic no product placement whatsoever. As far as i could tell in the halloween costume loved that he did. Yeah big years. You already bought a subscription to disney. Plus they have your money. Yeah that's true so but Yeah so as their trick or treating We get wanda and talking. A lot of teachers comics comments hind. Make you think that he kind of knows what's going on. He knows what he what wanted did. But he's okay with it yeah And again they get kind of meadow where she's like. Where's your accent like. What happened your accent. He's like what happened to your accent and she's like wow an arm. An answer for that knows comes which i've never had an accent other than the one i have. I guess yeah it'd be throw me in a different country. I would have an accent Give here to elsewhere but Accents actually can come and go depending on where you live and who. You're surrounded by because my mom. My mom is born in the united states and therefore how she was born at oklahoma so she kinda has that your central usa knin western accents. Yeah until she was three ish and then her family moved australia so she. I moved australia and she went to school. She stood out because she had an american accent. But after living there so many years she ended up developing australian accent so when they moved back to the united states to indiana she was the kid that stood out because now she was the weird with the australian accent until she lived in the midwest long enough and develop the accident that she's had now for most for life that it was accent so yeah accents can come and go depending on who you're with you're surrounded by an even. It doesn't even have to be like that like that dramatic of a move like you know when i'm home around like it go out in the on the farm in the rural area i noticed like my my utah rural redneck accent. And i can't even describe what is But it's there. Like i like an i'll pick it up and then i you know i come back into the city and i'm a little more refined a little more that way but yeah i just i. It's not really a southern accent. It's kind of this sort of this sort of hasty drawl a little bit. And i can't even do it on command. It's just. I have to be in that frame of mind or you know if i'm really angry it comes out So it's it's even just yet accents. Come and go yeah. They killed many of me. Because i guess mervyn's right if places having it. British accent like been burton complicate load. I have a british accent. Like name is my name limit mean from britain. But i have been funny. I don't think people know what a british accent sounds like. Mary poppins and not letting dyke by that. But yeah accents and can can come and go So yeah that's like. What one does accents like. It's just it's it's circumstantial. What it is so. She's probably been away from segovia long enough that and she's been living with a bunch of americans mostly arrogance thors got a accent. He's he sees as guardian. Yeah He's kind of british. But chris australian but yeah so that was an interesting case. Yeah yeah so but yeah we get Some some interesting interaction between wanda and her and brother And she she opens up a bit more about the feelings that she's been trying to deal with the grief of thinking. She lost her brother and envision and all these things So we're really starting to get into the though the weeds here which again in the stages of grief could be considered the upward. Turn where you're kind of getting to acceptance. yeah where she's actually acknowledging her feelings Which is very important thing very important step but vision ball on his fake patrol ends up wandering to the town and discovering that it's very twilight zone the further away. You get from from the wanda vision household in the center of town There's some people that are just frozen in place. There's some people that are just repeating movements that poor lady who is like trying to hang up You know just a a decorative ghost but her arm swinging back and forth and you see the tear. Yeah amount of ryan go down her cheek because she's aware they are aware Because you know. Wanda still got control over them. But it's not as strong to the point where they're on autopilot in could actually go through their daily life and it's like they get stuck because he because the control is still there but it's not very strong. Yeah so it's it's just sort of a okay. i'm not. She's not actively controlling them. But it's still there it was. I had a weird thought about. When i i watched it and now i can't remember what it was but it was just like head is so freaky right. It's like kind of light zone. Ish vision encounters agnes in her car. He he frees her air quotes again. freeze her. We'll find out why we'll find out a bit more about that in a moment formation from her She's like you're one of the vendors you here's a savings which were all like wait. You don't know whether the venture is okay. That's like oh well Okay so. I'm like so this this moment. 'cause relic okay. There's something up with agnes. And i mean people have been putting forward all kinds of theories and i am not well versed in the comics really and i was just like. Hey what's and then you know vision freezer from the from the control quote unquote and it's like. Oh well i guess there's nothing unless she's pretending but how could she be pretending that And her halloween. Costume is a big giveaway. Yes at every everybody's kind of got those those normal Generic cost generic halloween. At harte's hers is generis but what it is is very significant. Yes yes it is so so but we don't know that yet at this point but vision is you know. He's all like it's like. I'm going to try to figure things out. And he's apps her back and she goes off to to Play neighbor And pass our enami probably so So vision gets to the edge tries to escape through the hacks just like we saw wanda dead step through it in the previous episode But he can't as he's trying to exit. It's it's literally ripping him apart pulling the pieces back into the heck's which kind of a mix us wonder. Why can't he leave. Why is it trying to pull him back in is it because he she doesn't want him to find out is it. Because uh what's going on here. We don't know exactly So so that's interesting but in the process of that and the trick or treating the boys show the start of their powers billy Yep billy's the one who's i dressed up. And in his his costume and his comic book name was wiccan. and he has powers very similar to wanda. so he's a path among other things. And then tommy. Who ends up dressing as many atro- is known for speed in. The comics has super super speed. Just like his uncle so and they are part of the young avengers superhero team so based on them appearing in here and also that very last post credit scene that will get to in the very last episode. We're likely to see. Tommy and billy again probably as members of the young avengers because we are getting characters like kate bishop and kamala khan and rewrote in the mcu. And they're all as they probably will age the boys up again so it's more appropriate So they're all going to be in that you know teens early. Twenty age brackets. That's going to be young avengers with those other characters that were getting in the other programs so so then we move onto you episode seven breaking the fourth wall. And now we're kind of into now as close to now as we're going to get as far as actual light tv. Oh maggio's it's the episode is in the style of like modern family. The opening credits. The music is very similar to the office theme. Yeah all. I was thinking office parks and rec. Yeah but the style of the opening credits where it's like. It's just one his name but in different styles just appearing in place that is actually a mosh to a tv series from that era called happy endings. I did not know this us from youtube video But happy endings was produced by joe and anthony. Russo well okay. Then it's clever boys. Yup we've heard of them. They're kind of important to the mcu tal just slightly. So yeah so. This is because it's in that modern family office parks and rec. So that mockumentary. So we do get a lot of wanda envision talking directly to the camera like they're being interviewed Family i love the bit with what with vision. He's like why. Am i talking to go find my wife. Yeah i do and the team up with vision and earthy in at this point the famous. Yeah the failings been kind of broken apart because had had spouted off. He's like well you're dead has been kid die again Vision was being torn apart. Trying to leave the heck's So he got you know. Wanted to blast him off and we don't see him again for a little bit so he's not there at the house. Vision is off at the town because too because wanda couldn't get to him. She ended up just expanding. The radius of the heck's which ended up encompassing most of the shield sword whenever seen she'll sword base turn into a circus look. I don't know if the fact that a lot of those soared agents if this is some way because wanda is aware that there there is some way her commentary on what she thinks of sword that she turn so many sword agents into cloud. I thought that was half the belief that was just obviously after after director. Dick's yes yes. But that also ends up including dr darcy. Because she was handcuffed to one of the trucks. I love the darcy being darcy. She would adopt the f-bomb but it changes just over hers. Yeah it has to censor her. So she's saying fun So good has not. Chris story now just very creative i. I've always loved that kind of editing. But but i i did. My my brain did go there because i am story aficionado. No you know but yeah now because spit. Because the heck's has been expanded now it's safe for vision again but now he's at the town again on the inside So he needs to get back He ends up freeing darcy from You know her control So they they team up a steal away. Churn traffic ice cream. Truck hitting on kenny. Kenny is a circus. This sorry junk food some sort of delivery you know food truck of something probably of the fried and high calorie and sugar content variety. I'm sure and they're trying to get back to the house. They keep because for whatever reason wanders trying if it was just vision. She probably wouldn't try to stop them. But because darcy's there and are not controlled. Invert doing all these outrageous stops like every light is a red light even though they're out in the middle of nowhere essentially is far away from the center of town. Suddenly there's a crew dean electric or something. Yeah and then. There's a crossing guard leading. Apparently every child in west view that we almost children that we did not know where they are. They apparently normal now need to cross the street. All at the same time rigs that exact street the highway in the middle of nowhere. just like really don't darcy. You will get an answer. Righty just takes off. It's like okay. I'll see you there lead. Yes so Sorta has been changed into a circus. That the all the Cars and stuff that had the sword logo on it before it is now. The spectacular world of rapturous diversions. Yes i miss that. So yeah A vicious trying to get back while wanda is. She's kind of gone back into a depression. Abet where you know. she's not. She's running around in her pajamas. You know it's the middle of the day. She's eating cereal Just flipping through the tv. Her powers or and or the heck's are on the fritz because like the boys video game system goes from being you know like super advanced to being like atari and they're playing pong the tv and the the house to is changing from different eras and stuff everything just kind of do not under control because wanda's kind of gotten to the point where she's like i just you know the boys. The boys are like where's dad. What's going on issues. Like i know you guys expect me to have all the answers. I don't. I don't have the answers. And i kind of don't care. I just kind of feel like nothing matters anymore. So agnes being the also helpful next door neighbor decides to take the boys and watch them so the wanda can have some time to herself. Turn out here. Brooke could do. They said yes so Wanda wanda finally picks herself up a little bit. At least put song kind of regular clothes at least brushes her hair. It gets out of her. Robe sweats and some pants but but pants and heads next door to Agnes house after agnes. Rescues her from monica who After trying to drive her way in with her nuclear bomb shelter on wheels and doesn't work she just forces her way in and we see because we've learned based on the tests that they did. When monica returned that her dna her cells have changed from going through the heck's twice and she insists on going through again because she she you know she she knows it wanted needs help someone to support her and she also knows that hayward can't be trusted and needs to be there if and when he decides to you know In whatever manner he decides to act in next We see monica kind of you. Know she's working through the heck's we see her change on a on a cellular level. And i don't know what name they're gonna use for her yet. I guess we'll find out in the future which named she's gonna go by whether she's going to go by photon which would be nice nod to her mother because she did lose her mother but the way which that would work but the other name that she's gone is spectrum which also kind of works because we see that she can see the energy field So either name woodwork. It'll be. I'm interested to see which one they decide to go by. Whether they use photon is an auditor. Mom or spectrum which is unique to her. So what one thing jarod told me. Because he didn't watch it with me but he just kind of gave him the rundown. And if i remember right she was actually Version of captain marvel. Yes at some point. Jared was like she was actually the best one yet. Because hey monica rambo's it's like really i really like she's. She's one that he really liked. So i was like well. That would be cool. But we'll see we'll see what happens. Yeah yeah there is a yeah in the comics at one point. Yes she did. Take on the title of captain. Marvel before she changed. She changed at first photon and then eventually spectrum. So again we'll see what What she decides to end up using in universe so but yes. She goes and tries to convince wanda that she's like. I'm here to help you know you didn't. You've let me in twice and you let you. I was there for the birth of your children. And all those things so like on some level you know you can trust me. She's like you know hayward can't be trusted You know don't let him make bill in. This point wanders just like what am i already in so you. She's gone into the funk in this episode so agnes comes in and collect surgeries. I come. let's all make you t and all that come into my partners. At this later she sees the remnants of the boys being there send. Your scratchy is in his cage. Chilling like a rabbit does want is like where the boys cycle. I think the playing in the basement goes down the basement and of course the boys are there. And there's all this weird Strange things energy and creepy creepy stuff down in the basement. Things are happening. Yes yes and wanda finds herself trapped in the basement as agnes comes with senior. Scratchy petting him and we learn. Yeah unless you were i. Guess didn't do any research and knew nothing. About the comics i don. I'd already done some research so this was not a surprise to to me class we get the reveal. That agnes is not agnes. Agatha harkness at is bin agatha long with evil steve. Turn that you know now than everything has gone by. And i killed sparky too. Which is league. Catchy as i know you lopez team catchy owns all too. So i have had the song stuck in my head for so long. It's an insult injury. When wanna try subject yourself gonna protect basic. Yeah listen for you. Yes eh tension. This comes back later. Which is in you know. Because that's sort of agatha's whole thing is like will you're a witch but you don't know how anything works just as basic basic thing you should know. How do you know it so like trying to figure out. What what what is going on with you with with with wanda and does like i don't know i just have powers they're just here and where my kids. Yeah yeah and well in. The comics. Agatha is witch. She's in the. She's a much older much much older. She looks like an old lady with the white hair and the bun and everything in the like the majorly like she looks more like professor mcgonagall then this version and she's actually A teacher to wanda in the comics. So she's not an adversary and then she's also a mother like i said to nicholas scratch which is saying you're scratchy l. mayes in his name but yes one of the original which is from the salem witch trial she survived and Later on in marvel comics. She ended up Helping out with people like Franklin richards as his Nanny and later mentoring wanda in real magic. So shows surely bad person in the comics. She's a very powerful being a trained. Which but yeah you know we get that. Reveal a catchy song. And that's kathryn hahn singing in in agatha song you know where your the female voice in the last. She's like yeah that's gathering on so we find out that she killed sparky like here. Let's add insult to injury. Ashley sparky to you know i. I guess if there's if there's one one surefire way to know if someone is a villain did they kill the dog. Yes good so that leads us into the ultimate episode and kind of the end of the sitcom always all the. Yeah here yeah with previously on which is such a fitting title because it literally is previously on. Not just what we've seen but actually what led up to this So we get a lot of de backstory in here. Which oh my gosh i loved. Loved loved every minute of this episode. It is by far my favorite of this series. Probably almost the entire mcu. I'd have to think about that. But oh my gosh. This is just so well done and so it's unlike anything. Mcu has really ever done before. I feel like Like you know. I i was talking about how you know. There's a lot of formula In some of these other in these movies like we know how this works. They kind of feel like kind of repeating iron man for some of these characters And where we've known wanda for while envision almost gets her origin story in the second to last episode of her tv. Tv show the minutes done in such a way that you hit the highlights and you hit what you know because you already. We already know a lot about you. Know we've seen her and we've seen a lot of big things in her life but we don't really know her so we we see her as a child like you know we're talking about with her family and dad is smuggling sitcom dvd's into their country you know during this time because it's it makes his family happy and it helps. The kids have had escape. And you know and then you know we see you. Her her parents get killed by the bomb and earned. Her brother are hiding. And then there's like that moment where she reaches out to the bomb and she realizes own. Maybe i'd the egg agatha says did you ask you did you do that. Was that your power. And she's like no. I didn't have power until but then she kind of realizes. Oh maybe it was and then you realize that as you're going through this she's had like sitcoms have kind of been her her comfort through all the really hard stuff. She's been through even when she was you'll volunteering with hydra and and you know there was a bunch on. I love that they picked the scene. Where the little girl. And i'm totally blanking on her name. Cindy yeah where. The brother is teasing her. Like oh you know. You're talking to the doll. It's not real and she's like she's real to me headed like where have i seen this before. Yeah just now in a few of these episodes a little bit before you just kind of see all these seeds getting planted and just when i kind of think that mcu is sort of you know coasting on fumes a little bit. They're like oh well here. Here's this little. Here's this little tidbit about this character that we're going to do and it's just like wow you guys really you can pull it off. You guys just made the story interesting where i was interested already but yet kept my attention and this episode is kind of that whole combination. Yes it was sitcoms yes. It was goofy but also meant something to wanda. Thus i understand something about her that i didn't know before and it and and it's not just that i understand her. I empathize with her. Even though she's done something terrible in in taking over this this town and everything she's done and we find out really wasn't her votes kind of sorta. It wasn't like a conscious decision martin into west end of the town. You hostage wasn't what you meant to you. But it finally gave her some some measure of peace. Yeah after everything she'd been through. And so yeah sitcoms they that was she created that reality because nothing bad happens in a sitcom and if it does like you know the dog dying you know your family is there to make it better and they play the nice music and everyone hugs and it's not it doesn't last very long. Yeah so like you said it's the she she is morning. She's allowing herself to go through. All these things in this is how she knows how to do it. And so this episode shows why y sitcoms why it was necessary. And maybe it's a little kitschy and maybe it's a little corny. But guess what so. We're sitcoms and like you said that's what you need and it appreciate wanda just that much more. Even though she was already one of my favorite characters. And i was already on board for this show. But i was like yeah. I'm here for it like this. Is this is awesome and that. It's you know agatha. Who's like kinda like you said in the comics. Agatha mentor to to wanda. So maybe this is kind of that little thing and i kinda of wish that they had left it there and i'll explain that in a minute. We get an expert. I love this episode. I love the heck out of it. And i'm like i want more of this. Please keep doing this. Yeah well it and we get not only whole bunch of wanna backstory but we also get some agatha to we see being confronted by her coven including her own mother of practicing magic. That's above her station. You know yeah yeah well you know like the dark arts potter curse never seen a magic user in. The mcu. Tried to work beyond. Yes it was capable of are ready for and you're strange although although i thought it was funny. It's like it's the salem witch trials which you know we we kind of. Have this this this idea that they were going after all these women unfairly but now it's like well it's his coven and you know maybe she. Maybe the actually had a point as an exact in her case because she's going after magic that is forbidden or you know bad is going to cause trouble even the the other witches who are like. No you can't do that. yeah so i. I love that kind of list on the you know usually when we see the salem witch trials. There's a specific message that they're trying to push through but here it's like nah they in her case they might have had a point. Yeah turns out that she's she's tapped into some dark magic that allows her to essentially feed ed take the magic suck the essence of a magic user out of them and use it for herself rendering the person not only magic list but dead pile bone and it kinda ties back to the one kurt or commercial that we had from the nineties with the magic. Like no magic for you by efan and if that was pretty intense. Yeah yeah so. That gives us at least some of her Enough back story to know what she's likely after we get back to two now in real and Her she's like yeah. I felt this magic the big surge a magic in this area. I had to come and find out what it was and you know she want is doing things that even address the is not capable of and to so much younger. So she's like i want. I want to know your secret. So that i can become powerful like you. Essentially so she has her walk through all these memories to try try and trace the steps essentially so yeah we see the death of their parents and sokoto via as watching the her favorite episode of the dick van dyke show may look like a wallet season two episode twenty one which is an episode about rob having a nightmare and wants to try and wake up from it Then we see her after. She's volunteered with the with hydra and instructors under stricker's watch although we don't see shirker and in this flashback but We see her encounter the mind stone. That was in loki sceptre. And how it's it's kind of like the in humans where they have to go through tear genesis but difference because in this case She already had powers that she'd already kind of tapped into unknowingly. Felt like you know in wizard. World of harry potter where little kids will do magic unintentionally. Because they don't know and but the when she encounters the infinity stone it kind of amplifies everything so as that vision of that That that that silhouette yeah which you know you're like oh who is this. I wonder So she was always a witch. She just wasn't in tune with it enough to do anything with it So but yeah. Now that now that the infinity start amplified that but she's still not trained she's just doing everything on instincts essentially She just knows what she needs to do. You know whether it's to make herself fly or is she needs to you know something's Toward she's deflected or something she yeah mind-control or like should we saw in asia altron. She made people see like their worst nightmares. it's less. It's less formal training and more learning by the seat of your pants as it were. Yeah yes so. Yeah we get that and then we see Her at the avengers compound Where she starts training to be adventure and The presumably the first time that vision walks through her wall because as we as we saw in in civil war when he does it and she's like vision. We've talked about this. This is presumably the first time. And he's talking to her about The loss of her brother exists right after altron and They're watching malcolm in the middle. Yeah she tried explain division. you know. it's like. Yeah the the the that barnes just fell on that guy but it's funny because he's not really hurt he and yeah and again bad. Things don't happen in tv shows. Yes if the end everybody hugs it out. They would very meta reference on fuller house at the end of it. They'd hug it out. And everybody go on happily ever after. And where's that music coming from. Yes exactly exactly And then we see the full event of what happened when wanda went to the sword headquarters after she returned from the blip and no she did not break in while she kind of did she. He could have buzzed her in. It wasn't as dramatic as as director. Dick would have the way the moon it was edited. It wasn't dramatic. She was just impatient. She wasn't like yeah. I mean he likes pages even when they were showing the showing it in. This flashback episode. I'm like no. That is not how he showed it and so i don't think that that's how it went down and i'm glad i was vindicated. Yeah so but we We find out that no she did not steal visions body because at this point sword sword at some point presumably after the blip they went to konda n- and picked up visions corpse with the mainstone. Obviously out of the forehead like stand ups and have spence time trying to essentially reverse engineer. Him is what they're trying to do. So they can rebuild him so they can have him as kind of their puppets their weapon you almost indestructible vibrant neom power. You know and and what is over here saying 'look can i have give him a funeral. I think you know we should be able to mourn him bury him whatever. And they're like you're going to bury three billion dollars worth of brainiac. Yeah and she's like that's not how she season 'cause she genuinely loved him cared about him and she wants you know to respect him. You know. respect his death and she's just like okay. I mean vision. Was cognizant enough and aware enough that he was considered presumably considered a living being he. It could have an interesting discussion about whether there. yes yes. We've all seen that next episode. That he had a living will probably tony stark up with that in his stark lawyers. Were there like my synthesis. Aide who is based on jarvis's code wants a living well and they're probably yes sir mr starr you pay the bills you write the checks we will do. What every question. Whether he's actually being that should have a will or not. But still i mean he had a will he did not want to he. He did not want to be inspected he he just you know if he died according to be treated just like anybody else and beer and Obviously a little price to this laconda even let them take visions body. They thought him was swept in You know 'cause. I mean 'cause he got to think of what an after the snap that at that point to challa had disappeared so they were a king and so they were probably struggling to just by so when sword came in. We'll help clean up and help you guys get back together. And they were they were just like oh thanks. You know we need all the help. We can get gone So yeah i can imagine. That soared probably came in under false pretenses. Oh yeah they're like. Hey we're totally going to come and help me out. I like great pick up band. Wink nudge nudge. Your some. here's some trash. I'll go pick that up later around here your countries to beautiful. So meanwhile sure he probably found out after the fact and she's like sure got us to to though didn't she so they didn't even have suri to he did. Yeah so they didn't even have sure you too so yeah between being on They were probably just trying to keep it together in very short handed. Yeah like everybody else. so yeah so wanted to not take visions body She ends She does break through the glass because she wants to closer to him into to see if she can. You'll him know kind of replicating that moment. We saw in infinity war. Where he's like. What do you feel like. I just feel you know. Yeah and she says. I can't feel him anymore. She leaves yeah she leaves and drives off to new jersey because vision had left her a deed to a piece of property where they were going to build a house in live together happily ever after. So that's that's why she was there but then when she gets there and sees that there's nothing because they never got a chance to build a house that's when she's just so you know everything that's happened up to that point is just finally spills out yeah. That's the straw that breaks the camel's back is standing there with this this deed with visions all heart written on it to grow old in Yeah love v on it and she just that's it that's just she's done and the damn breaks and everything oliver grief just pours out of her and it literally pours out of her in the manifestation of her magic creating this what becomes the hacks. Yep so so. She didn't mean to do it. She didn't engineer it. It just she just it just happened. Yeah and all those poor people got caught up in it and she was just like well. I have this thing. So i am going to take it and run with it end. She creates a version of vision in the thing so the reason that he was getting sucked. Back into the heck's or you know he was falling apart when he was trying to leave. The heck's was because he's part of it if he leaves he cannot He will he won't be any more he will disappear. Sorry yano you cannot leave the matrix so yeah. All of hayward's claimed that. Oh she stole the saying and we need to get it back now. Liar liar alive. Did we expect anything different. Nope nope we got to that point. And then we see the how it actually played out on like. I knew it. I knew you did something gonna make me mad at you. And that's it eight wanna look like a bad person. So-and-so dick no yeah so now we've got. Yeah we've gotten that back story for wanda and it gives all the information the that agatha needs and we finally get the namedrop something that they even reference in an earlier episode. When they're they're giving what backstory they have on wanda Jimmy woo when they they. First get together at the kind of the sword base thing And hayward even brings that up because he keeps calling her misma- back some offer wanted maximum office like way she doesn't have a nickname some like iron man and captain america and all that he's like. No that's funny. I mean for the longest time. Since she's been introduced in the new we've called her scarlet witch. She's never actually been called that. No we just know that. That's an initial sleep. Because if i if i'm saying this right it is her name when she's you're in the x. Men yet disney legally allowed to use at. Yes oh she's just a name. She's just been wanda in these movies. He you know his knee fox. They bought them so we get to the. Yeah we get to this episode. The end of this episode in agatha's like you're the scarlet witch and the my named her up uh-huh fischel. Yes sir yes. And then we get a nice little Teaser mid credit teaser. With the hayward again we finally see what because when Monica and monica and jimmy woo and our had been thrown off base. They snuck back on monica and we ended up leaving again darcy. Stay behind to do what. S best hack and she gets into like the biggest of the big secret files that hayward has buried behind multiple firewalls project kanak. Which if you've ever seen an eyeball cataracts just looks whites whites And we learned In this post credit scene that project cataract is them using the wanda's power that she had used to destroy that drown back in the eighties episode there. Now feeding that energy off in feeding it into the body of the actual vision that had been killed in would conduct and rebuilt him in wanda's own power to boot him up eights. Yeah white vision. Which against straight out of the comics is like. That's all you wanted it for. You are such a dick. We've been covering him director dick. I think everybody's been calling him and it's like that's what you call them so we're gonna go with. He's just like that's what you wanted that. that's it. i'm really kind of let down. He wanted his. Puppet is what i feel the. That's all he was doing to while. He was antagonizing wanda because he wanted something with her powers on it unlike youtube piece of s. And we're not talking dick roman from supernatural now under his vision with the that white crews and like. Oh this long like oh cafe sleep. Would max i keep my visions to myself from my kids my mind a little bit. So yeah they now have a vision back online. But he's he doesn't have visions memories and everything. He's been programmed and his only programming is to stop wanda and vision the vision. That's inside the heck's so But that feeds us into the last episode. This series finale. So if you're wondering if there is a season to know there's not giving season to his at literally says on the title these series now. When i don't think we i don't think we're going to need to come back to something like this again anyway. We're gonna see wanda again. Yeah so we don't need one division again. I don't think but this is. This is a and this leads into the finale. Leads us into what we expect from. Mcu a big throwdown between our hero and the batty because we had to have that eventual lay. Okay so i may diverge a little bit here because like like i said that that last episode was just it felt like the perfect ending but it felt like that was that was the climax that was all of this was leading up to that to that you know finding out about wanda's passed and everything and then we get the big. Cgi fight at the end. And i did like what they did with the with the two visions. That was like with the like. Why are you fighting me. You know that whole thing about the ship. And everything fight between wanda and agatha like we've seen those big huge fights in the movies and it looks great on the big screen on the tv for the first time or a computer screen. I guess it was just kind of. I wasn't wowed by it. It kind of felt like a bit of a letdown. After everything that had that we'd been through and everything that wanted been through and the her her conflict her antagonists was her grief and getting through all this and then to have that fights it. It didn't feel. I don't want to say didn't feel earned but it felt like the wrong kind of ending her and i don't want to say i was disappointed by it but i wish they could have done something else. Just because we've seen this even had like the sky beam and the your when she's taking down the heck's and this like We should have done something else. Not the ending though. That's the thing it's not an ending for. It's it's it's the the climax of the whole show where i feel like the climax was before when she was figuring out you what agatha's trying to get her to you. Know spillers secrets but really. She's figuring out why she did all this. How all this happened. And what's been going on with her her entire life. So i don't know i wish the climax have been something else and not just another. Oh we're having a big showdown a big special effects fest where we've had all this good emotional stuff going on and we had this great pay off and i don't know maybe it's just me but i just like i kind of i kind of felt a little. Let down which is weird to say because it was as big action scene but this really wasn't an action show it was. It was a smaller story that had repercussions in the long run. But it wasn't it. Wasn't this great big dramatic thing. It was just about this one. This young young woman who has been through hell and back and how she's coping with everything that's been going on. And also kind of on a grander scale. How the entire world has been coping with the blip because we get monica's part of the story as well. So i'm just i'm a little blah on the ending but that could just be me and i fully. I fully accept that at. I fully accept that that's the way you feel. I disagree except that she gets right. And i and i. And i ex and i anticipated that as well yet to me though the showdown with agnes and the two visions fighting each other. Which i wish i. I wish i knew where where exactly this interview was because it was just something that somebody referenced in their youtube video so i don't know where it originally came from but apparently while they were in production paul said something in an interview about how he finally got the act against some act which he's always wanted to act against or act with that he's always really respected and he's like we. We have these really great scenes together. And it's it's fantastic to have this opportunity to actress personnel. These people you know people are like. Oh my god. Who's he talking about. You know blah blah blah himself talking about the two visions hiding each other. Actually play sir nathan. Epa which. I heard that. I heard clips of that interview and i was just like you troll your know that part that that that i had not heard that until after the fact and i was like oh my god. He's talking about acting against himself. I had heard that like. He's of shit. didn't i two episodes aired. I'm just like okay okay. I felt for both line and sinker. I think you would referring to himself. Opel you the anti a easy anti tom holland tells you something. You could be a spoiler cut. It's not just that goodness but anyway. So no the the two the two visions facing off against each other and that whole ship ship of theseus thing which I've heard that before. I've also heard it like in waste simpler terms of If you have a broom and you replace the handle at one point and you continue to use that broom and then eventually replaced the head part of it. The end of the broom part of it is still in the same room. Yeah yes the same idea like you know how much irving it. Yes at. The ship of theseus is like that. That's more in line of jarvis slash vision of yes. Yeah that's more his more his speed the very cerebral but it. It's a great moment for the two face each other. And kind of have this existentialist like come to jesus moment of like what we can't we can't destroy each other because white visions directive is to destroy the true vision which he he is either jn either. Well no because he doesn't have the mind stone. Well true but you know he's got the physical body where where hex vision is just a construct of wanda's like she cried. Aided him flat out of her magic he has the mind stone. Is it really the mind stone. Well i mean it's it's it's not actually the mind stone but he i mean he has something like the milestone in his head. He's able to use like the he did when he was alive. He's able to shoot beams and stuff out of it so he has the abilities that he had with the mind stone but he doesn't have the memories and then you've got white vision who's got similar powers doesn't have those memories does have the mind stone doesn't have the programming that came from jarvis. Our that so then you know. Heck's vision gives him as memories so that makes him closer to the true vision but he still doesn't have the mind stone but he can still function without it is because he's got the power yeah from the milestone without actually having the mind stone technical computer stuff in the original vision of the hardware. That's taken at work too. Yeah yeah So it's like you know is now. He's the true vision. Does that mean he needs to destroy himself. He doesn't know before he might have if that's what his programming dictated. But now he's got those memories like. Why would i wanna kill myself. When i've got wanda out there who loves me a needs me so now. They've got it. You know that vision just takes off white vision just takes off so now we've got it open for vision to comeback as well which. I'm sure makes paul brittany happy. Because before he knew they were doing while division they called offices like oh killing me off. I'm done you know no no more job for the mcu and they're like no. We're doing a tv show. Good yeah so. That's a great great face off and gets you thinking on an existential level. But then wanda facing off with agatha. I mean. we don't necessarily need the big you know. Beam in the sky and everything. But it's this is wanda opportunity in this is releasing a us seeing her go through those steps of grief almost you know boom boom boom. Boom boom had eventually reaching acceptance like like. I said when we started like know people go through these stages of grief but not boom boom boom boom. You'll bounce around you know. You may sustain anger for weeks and then go to depression and you may stay there for a couple of days and then you may have a really good day when it may seem like. You're on the upward term. You may stay there for six months and then something may happen next thing. you know. You're in pain guilt again. It's not just checking off the things you know but at this point after a agatha making her go through all those memories. That's the kind of the working through stage of the stages agree for you. You've you should be going on. That upward turn acknowledging your feelings and willing to face them and work on them and learn how to function in this new reality that you're in you know whether it's your grieving a loss of a loved one you're grieving Yes something happened to yourself you grieve. Not just because someone you care for. Pass away you can leave. Maybe you were abused a child and you're grieving your loss of innocence or something like that. It's not just death that you can greenery most things. But we've seen to go through these steps in whatever order everyone to label them through all these episodes but now she is faced there. There's no denial at this point. She can't turn away from it you know. She needs to get out of the depression. She needs to work her anger. She needs to work through the guilt and the pain and all the anger and everything and she takes that out on. Agatha agatha is the one that made her confront her past. And i think on some level in wanda's mind that makes agatha the enemy not because she's a witch trying to steal their powers. She's just the enemy because she's made her do what she's not wanted to do up until this point because it's been too painful and she's lashing out at agatha but at the same time that's exactly the catharsis that she needs to reach acceptance which is what she does when she Traps agatha with those runes using the lesson that agatha taught her back in the basement and fully becoming the scarlet witch with the outfit everything and accepting who she is accepting what she's done and moving on from there and defeating agatha putting her back in that role of the nosy neighbor agnes so that she can go back to agatha. She needs her which she probably will. We will be seeing agatha again. They probably sooner than we think if she does not show up in doctor. Strange to next year. I will eat a large piece of bread. I don't know i was saying he might have. But i don't really wanna eat hat a no especially media really really big cookie bike and especially because there was some stuff setup that didn't really pay off as we will know it didn't pay off at all. I am gonna talk about aetna talking about not be atro- yes ralph boehner which we're like okay. Why did you go to all so Tro was supposedly a agatha's into you. Know wanda's psyche. What what what our plan was so you know and it turns out and we all thought she thought she could use is like. Oh it's my brother. I can speak to him and be open and honest with him and and it was yeah information that she wanted. But it's like okay you know on this You know for us the audience. We're looking at like. Oh my gosh. That's the that's the the quicksilver. The movies disney is going to bring in the x. Men you know they're gonna marvels and bring in the x. Men and it's going to be that that universe and all this stuff so you cast evan. Peters oh my gosh what are you gonna to do. Are we getting the multi-diverse and no it was. He's no buddy. He was the guy. He was a guy from town that that agatha suppose mary two he was. He's mysterious ralph and he's a loser he's a bomb and it you know. It's all the setup to to make up owner joke. I'm like i think it's a larry's sh i'm like. Why did you casting this. Why did you cast him of all people to do this. Because they knew it was going to do to people and then you didn't get rolling on such i know and i read it. I was very upset at them. Like you've got us all excited for this. You promised us something and they did it. They never did because you. You cast evan. Peters there was the promise that they never. I never said no. You don't have to say about the fact that that's who they cast. Yes there is. There's an unspoken this why would you cast him. If you're not gonna do it. They might still. That's the thing the thing. Because because other than vision. Billy and tommy and agatha everyone else that we see an encounter including ralph is a resident of west few and therefore ids that person the real person exists in the mcu. He's not he's not who we were led to believe he was no but near as character in unit. Was anyone else in view. But he's different because we've seen him in other movies connected to marvel connect the do know but disney has x. men and there is this understanding or there's assumption that they're going to do it. You have this well. Yeah we're going to get the x. Men but we're not going get fox's x. Met more than like. Oh but i'm just like i'm still hung up on. Why did you cast evan. Peters funny and let you kick ass reference which actually was unintended but still funny. I guess i guess i'm a little more invested or a little more maybe not invested but a little more attached to that idea and when they didn't deliver i was really upset. You know you're getting upset on something that was never promised. I'm going to disagree there. Because i think they did. Promise it by that casting stunt. I don't think so. I think it was just a stunt. I w- That's exactly what it was. It was just a it was a stunt casting just to see what would happen and now we know now now they know i never really. I never watch those x. Men movies though the only movies from that universe. I watch the deadpool ones. So the thing about that particular character is even above the movies that he was in even in the really crappy ones. That really didn't like apocalypse was kind of his scene was by far the best and he is scenes like a beer. It's i don't know if you haven't seen him look them up on youtube. Quicksilver scene from david fisher passed from apocalypse. Where he's doing the slow mo and everybody remembers it and everybody's like that was so awesome. And i love that quicksilver. The rest of the movies like et a future passes. Good apocalypse was mediocre at best. So that's that's why it's like. They got him because that's a character. That's the guy we remember doing. All those funny crazy things and it was so cool. And he's the one character that mcu had version of and the expert had a version of and it's like well. Which one do we like the best way like this one because because the mcu quicksilver got killed in his in his one and only movie. So we're so people are thinking. Oh okay they are going to do this. This is so. This is a favourite character. One that's well known that has a favorable Image from those movies even the ones that weren't great and so that's that's why people went nuts. And i guess if you haven't really seen or paid attention to the x. men the fox x. men movies then. Yeah you wouldn't have that attachment. I saw them. I one of those. It's like i are youtube his scenes every once in a while. Just because they're so great and the music's great and it's what what they did with the characters. Great so yeah. I got excited as did a lot of people. But yeah if you if you haven't watched those movies that attachment so yeah. That's why i'm annoyed but there. We go essay. I don't i. Don't i watched him so i don't have that connection so you should at least youtube the quicksilver scenes 'cause i've seen i've seen one of them okay on youtube just because it pops it's yeah so apocalypse i think is a better one. But they're both great. Yeah but in general. It's like that but then they have that really great scene. Where the heck's is kind of fading out or go caving in wherever you want to call it and wanda says goodbye to her little family. And i'm like again not going to hurt at acceptance. Yeah it's she. She's accepted her her role as the scarlet witch. She's accepted what she's done. as You know as a as her her role in your essentially taking this entire town captive and You know holding them against their will making them feel her pain when they when they do sleep you know. They would have her memories so she what. She's not she's not the one having nightmares. They are separating people from their families kids or their loved ones and that sort of thing so returning that part of new jersey back to what it was letting those go back to their lives. And because the heck's no longer exists that means the loss of her children and at least this version of vision Which is the the biggest. The biggest thing And the biggest part of acceptance. And the fact that you know it's it's very sad at the same time somewhat hopeful. Because they have that moment like we've said goodbye to each other before but we've come back So it stands to reason we will see each other again and yes because white vision is out there now with his memories intact. Yeah they can't come back together. Yes some point. The future hopefully And i am very excited. Yes without one is is the the ding want us obviously still got things to work through and we'll get to that in a moment But at least here going forward she's not going to be essentially shackled and weighed down with all of that grief and trauma that she's carried around you know essentially since she can remember we even before the death of parents like. I said they were living in a war torn country which could not have been pleasant snow not at all. Yeah so yeah. And everyone goes back to their lives. Not knowing that by giving them their lives back wanna had to give up hers but jap at all they know is. Is you enslaved us for however long it was built and so yeah they're not really gonna look favorably on her even if they find out what she gave up. It's still going to be but you might. You looked me in my own head and locked my daughter in in her room. And i couldn't even see her or talk to her and you know i can't. I couldn't even call my elderly parents to make sure they were ok and someone needs to check on them. Yeah so it is. It is a complicated situation. Yeah very much. So and all brought on has gal. Wanda didn't know what her powers could do. Yeah she's she she she didn't else's let it go but in the opposite direction. Yeah she also celebrating letting go letting go to quote unquote rocket. We all got dead people. Yeah meanwhile monica after being that ass and using some of her newfound powers twos ways from being not by agent. dick head. director dick She is cold in for a new assignment is headed back into space but an old friend of the family. Yes the person that tells her that she has a new assignment. Ends up being a scroll and yeah just kind of gestures upwards. That odds are. She's probably headed to that Space station that nick fury was hanging out in acted like he was back. See rambo and fury together again sometime in the future squirrels. We'll probably for captain marvel two more than maybe secret wars to because we are getting secret wars at some point in the future too but yeah more unlikely likely for captain marvel two and maybe we'll find out what exactly happened to her and carol that there's a little baggage so so yeah monica's Hit back space with the nick fury more likely so that will make her happy. She was ready to get back to work and get back to space. She was not happy about being grounded. But no all's well that ends well and then we get our extra credit really and credit credit kind of. It's not even really credit because it's really weird with the credits because like there's the fancy credits that we come to expect you get the credits for all the the stars and everything and fun graphics and everything and we only got a couple of credits scenes after the fancy credits. But then this time you get the faiza credits seem with monica and the scrawl and then you get this regular credit and this scene and then we get the credits for all the foreign language cast and crew. So he's still another mid credit sink is a credits are directly. Not mid credits is like okay so more credits and then seen more credit. So it's like two thirds of the way credit seen leaving anyway. It's it's in there and taking taking a page from both doctor. Strange and the incredible hulk move really when he when with the Crap who's the guy. That played bruce banner. The second time around edward norton hall where we get that post credit scene where he's hanging out just out in the middle of nowhere kinda taking from from that to that were norton halt their wanna his gone off into isolation chilin making t presumably watching the stream go by enjoying the birds. Wildlife and Yeah she's astral projecting reading the book of the damned the dark hole. Did we mention the dark home. Sweet gave up on agents of shield and are very confused now about where that came back can refer to this season Agents heels news would be that seasons. Ghost rider fears in over here. We are and yes yes. Yeah i loved which some people are like. It's not the same cold it doesn't look the same was like that just because it doesn't look the same does not mean it's not the same book i mean. We saw the version. Where like mere mortals. Were trying to use it we did. We haven't seen what it does. It may change the way it acts user on the user. In this case you know you know. Agatha was a witch and extremely powerful plus. We don't know what has we don't know exactly what's been happening with the dark. Hold because we saw it in asia's shield way back in two thousand and sixteen and ghostwriter that are mcu ghost rider play by. Gabriel luna is my husband and using the blender this time and i i don't know anyway distract noise coming from kitchen. Ghost rider takes. Dr cold. takes to hell I haven't seen the series yet. I haven't seen marvel's runaways but apparently it makes it appearance in there too. I don't know where that fits. Timeline lies But it pops up there so who knows what's happened to it between going to hell and popping up here so you know as we've seen in doctor strange when it comes to magical books really anything is possible. And the fact that she's reading that thing very intensely. Well your little bit of time and billy yelling from wear because in theory the theory the current theory is it could either be tommy and billy who still exist in another universe hence doctor strange in the multi amandus or because tommy and billy wore as far as like what darcy was saying Billion tommy are hers are or monica. I was saying somebody was saying that those are hers. Those are her kids. They were flesh and blood just like their mother. They were just tied to the heck's and therefore could not leave it unlike the version of vision who he's a synthesis synthesis. Lloyd therefore we could get all existential on whether he has a soul but we can. Since he doesn't he's not flesh and blood. I guess we can assume he doesn't have a soul. But tommy and billy probably did so their souls would have had to come from somewhere for them to exist so that may be their souls calling out to her and she's got to figure out a way to manifest them in a way that they can exist. Outside the heck's we'll see again we'll find out in doctor strange to more than but still that's exciting makes. I was really excited for dr shrink to one. I love doctor strange. He's one of my favorite characters in the mcu in marvel in general and to. He's my favorite character that still live in his original form. At least colson. Eight version of colson is still alive. But it's not the fill that i came all the way back in ironman ironman and the vendors all the all those shield until again ghostwriter he died So that version of colson is no longer with us. All right the version this running around now as an ellen. So it looks like phil talks like phil acts like phil. But he's not the original again ship of theseus we could do the same thing with the colson. Probably why they that in in in the show but yeah yeah but then. Tony stark is dead. Definitely dead so that leaves me with. It's it's not a bad one to hold onto. So you know so. But this makes me even more excited for dr inch and i hope that With an electoral see billion tommy again and agatha. I have at home. i. I love agatha and kathryn hahn in this role so much i have not been this lake. Giddy excited over a marvel villain. I loved thanos dot like love him. Like i wanna give them a hug but loved him because he's just like oh you know this is like a big deal adversary for the vendors and the mcu and stuff so it was like it was exciting to see someone of that magnitude to succumb along But i have not been this. Like giddy excited entertained by a marvel villain it a long time gluten. Probably i always wanna see loki. But loki goes pretty much back to almost the beginning located been around long enough. I would say. Probably david tennant jessica jones grave. Like he was awful but he was entertaining extremely entertaining. Yeah so i feel the same thing about agatha and the costly possibilities on top of everything. Oh you're killing me malls already have your wallet. So now they got to spread the joanne's stores anyway so that was one division guy is. Oh my god. It was great. I have my nitpicks. But they're on the whole. I really enjoyed it. And i'm bike more more more like this please. Yes well falcon in the winter. Soldier started And it's just as good. It's not the same which. I didn't expect it to be the same. I mean it's definitely it definitely feels. It still feels like the. Mc this is the thing with marvel is they can do such seemingly different things like when they introduced like guardians of the galaxy like such a different vibe yet. They still fit now. We get one division and is just that shit crazy premise. But it still works and it still fits in the mcu and now we got falcon in the winter soldier granted. We're only one episode him. But there's only six episodes for but shorter run but it feels completely different than which i would expect for these characters but it feels like those characters. It feels like sam wilson and bucky. Barnes that we've come to expect from things like civil war and therefore it still feels like the. Emc you love it so we loved it. You get me started on the and i'm just like well that being said we have had a good time. 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Episode #338: We Make A Great Team

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Episode #338: We Make A Great Team

"This is john bailey. The voice of honest trailers. And you're listening to the five ish girls. Podcast it's a fan girl. Podcast with five ish people the tangents and we will continue. Squeeze the edges. Craig ontinue all the way up. So three hundred. Thirty eight of the five shrank girls. Podcasts i know you don't like talk about your life but a guy with a frigate michetti for arm just chop said nath everyone to this week. Subset of the vish vacuoles podcast so glad you could join us. Let's start up during the ritual table and see your show distance week. This is chrissie salt lake city. This is highly from wisconsin. Says rachel in indianapolis indiana alert. Everyone elo oh. I've got an itch at other. I'd rather have an issue than lower back problems. Which is what. I have right now. Thank goodness i have a heating pad. Yes thighs and year for he. Yeah it's time for. I have allergies all year long but twice a year. They get really bad. This is the outer part of the year. Really minaj and waiting for mines in that nestle a couple more weeks but around that around here anyway about health issues aches and pains in general. Getting some growing old dolls festive. Now if you're still you're still like would not recommend yeah. They told me when. I grow up when when when i grow up when i grew up i could be anything. It didn't tell me i would. I would be you know breaking in. Yeah but anyway. Where's our extended warranty. I know they keep trying to call me but my car's extended warranty unlike. How about the rest of me. Oh salty tonight. These are the jokes. Y'all holly just had a birthday happy birthday to you now. You're even older time. I i know the secret meeting a life right now. There's a reference right there so it should be. It should be really interesting year for you then really interesting in a good way. Yes and if you ever if the if the meeting of the universe ever you know comes comes upon your mind. Let us know. We'll do all right. Well let's do the news which we don't really have a whole lot of actually so all we have is marvel. Drop the first trailer for hawkeye. No christmas means to So so is this is going to be one of those. Oh it's a christmas show It takes place at christmas. Be like diehard. Yes that video. That i watched the reviewing it and pointing out. Some of the easter eggs and stuff was all like die hard. So but yeah so. This is great. This is christmas. Obviously this is chris. Yeah yeah yeah. It's like the minute like started breaking it out you here. I think it's andy williams Is version of both wonderful time of the year It it's like a crap. Don't wanna start getting christmas carols stuck in my head now but at the same time like marvel. So you're sticking me kind of in a in a catch twenty. Two here marvel All allow it. Well you know some of us have already started our christmas shopping. Because you know throw a rock and there's a shortage of whatever you just hit away so you have young men so yeah that is true. I got gotta. I got an early. Yes i would rather have everything early and then it's done and then i enjoy my christmas holiday and it's hidden in hidden safely somewhere where they can't find it but you can relax. I got it but yeah okay so so slight tangent. Because i know they will listen. We got we got a jared was like on the game stop website last month and they had It's the the mario kart home edition. Nice you plug. You have like mario or luigi cart. The that goes around the house and you set up a little thing and you can watch. You can control it with the switch and so. It's like your racing in your house or switch and game stop was having them like on friday sale almost thirty percent off so i down on my lunch break and i just got paid that day break and grabbed them and they've been hiding under the bed except our four year old has figured out that stuff under the bed is the thing you know. Then he pulled it out. And i was like well crap. He does he does because i got. I got one of each like. How can you choose. Mario luigi and i asked the guy like one of each absolutely anybody. They match the price on the on the website. So if you ever find it anywhere cheap and you go to game stop and they have it. They will match your price f. Why so anyway. So yes. I've been doing christmas shopping. We may have ruined it. But he's probably he's got a short attention span hill forgotten. Yeah this is. This is true. This is true. I don't wanna ruin the magic of christmas before ease in elementary school nowadays. Move hiding facts a little bit. I just kinda rearranged under the bed. We don't really have a lot of hiding spots so we're kinda have to have to make do with what we have but anyway sorry for the engines. I was just kind of putting out a psa. i came. stop. I guess anyway marvel. Okay yeah no big grants of things right now. Your christmas is shaping up to be better than hawkeye's house. Es for it tangent. Yeah see. I was on topic you. You don't have the authorities coming after you for what you did and endgame. Yes exactly. Yes so any any people out there that are like oh hawkeye. Did you know isn't going to see any repercussions i going. All ronin. endgame he is. That's that's gonna come back to haunt vitamin the bunch. Lucky bites i tasked show and you need or now that is yeah poor hawkeye. He yeah he has family take it away from him in the snap now. He's got the back that he's lost. You know five years with his kids his his loved ones and a dow the choices he made. It's even some of the choices. He did not make you. remember that. The the post credit leo the mid credit secrets from black widow. Some of the choices a he actually didn't make are gonna come to him in the but black but there's lucky the pizza dog so you know that's all people really care about because i forgot about lucky was helping high though but should be a good time kicking off right is the holiday. Season begins in my book. With how many types of eros hawkeye has based off your reaction when when the grottes. There's wants more powerful than that now getting. He worked for shield for the longest time and then he was getting his gear from tony stark. So loud justin hammer. So yeah yeah. It's not gonna blow up in his face. Gas as long as pepper kept up the quality. Which i assume she would. Oh yes yes absolutely. So but yeah. I'm i'm excited. So and i'm excited for kate bishop and lucky. We don't have a lot of pence in the mc you so. I'm thinking they were saying the one boy that was in the clip. I think dr chose son from age altron. Yes there's habit. Yeah there's several rumors going around the of faces that we may see but We will not necessarily talk about that. Because we don't want to perpetuate right exactly the rumor mill especially if they turn out to just be that then people will be like you said like a while so did everybody else on the internet. Which yeah we're not gonna fire we're not gonna put any Fuel the fire. We'll leave that to twitter. Yeah and all the other places so to to quote the eleventh doctor. Twitter browsing history. Yeah so and that's all we really got news at the hawkeye trailer so Little bit of an announcement though The a southgate media group podcast. Marathon has been postponed for a personal reasons. I will not share because it's not my laced to So but Hopefully and things calmed down the that we may be able to try it again at a later date but for right now like the started everything. Everything's on pause so stay tuned yes. We'll we'll let you know when things fire back up again. Yup yup so in the meantime our topic that we had decided on well just in our back pocket. Yes hopefully lost her later. Yes hopefully it will still be okay. Won't be quite as timely. But that's all right. Yeah yep so yeah. let's it zindi us. So let's move onto the faded back. We've got some feedback from shelley And she Says speaking of up an ed asner to actors from up have passed away this year because christopher plummer also pass away this year. that's right. He was he was in that he was. He was the villain the filling that you didn't know as a villain until childhood hero. Never meet your heroes. Everybody by all accounts. Christopher plummer was a cool a cool dude so yeah just played a back that yes And then Is she also mentioned the fact that we were talking about the cast of the mary. Tyler moore show and how they're all gone except for betty white. Yes also betty. White is the last golden girl left as well which i just finished binging the golden girls the other day so any acres binds jd. Pi sorry But yeah i even thought about a thought about that would at asner passed away because There's even a scene in the earlier seasons. The golden girls were They make a pact that you know if one of them gets to the point where they need like you know help it needs to go to like a nursing home or something. They'll all go so they can stick together and then the whites character rose is even like well what happens when there's only one of us left you know it's like oh that's her for both show So that's kind of sad sweet. Angeline says we should do an episode gargoyles which i never watched. Ooh i've watched some here. They're probably out of order when it was in syndication so i'd have to me watch any i would be. I wouldn't be opposed to that somewhere in line when i was old was like twelve maybe twelve or thirteen. It was on the they showed to episodes every night on toon disney and for some reason that was like we like me and my siblings. We all watched it and two episodes. And i every weeknight. You go through it. Pretty quick person say we. We bought the the entire series on dvd. And i have been like and when disney plus dropped and the whole series is on disney plus. Yeah it is. Oh my gosh gargoyles. Oh i just noted snow voice voicemail. Yes yes jonathan frame of marina service if i remember. Jonathan frakes is anatoly who Because i watched gargoyles so much. When i start when i watched next generation. I'm sorry i picture his. He is antos. he's not reicher like that's the guy who plays santos not quite so much with marina service. Because i think she did something. A little different with her voice in in In next jenner. One of the to her voice down slightly different but yeah yeah and also john delancey is john delancey or is it data. It's an red spider brent. Spiner okay yeah. I think i think john delancey shows up at some point not like not like a main main character but brent spiner is her sure in it and i think lavar burton has a few a few characters here and there in. I think i'd have to. I'd have to look it up and make sure but yes gargoyles is like one of those. It's like you know you have the disney afternoon. Ducktail chippindale gumming by name. Although then you have gargoyles which is like you know disney seriously disney did this and Yeah i would totally i. I think i'd want to rewatch it a little bit more. But i have to watch it at all. It is. It is fantastic. It is just one of those like okay. So there's there's three seasons. The first season is pretty short. Because it's one of those like okay. This is our first trolls intro. And we don't know how else is going to go. But then you know the second season there's a ton of episodes and you have. You have references to scottish analogy for for one thing then like macbeth and some shakespeare references in there than you know. Just just you know. Supernet supernatural type things together. Yeah the the second season like they go to avalon. And they do all this who holy cow. It's just just like all the things that they could throw in there that you'd think how is this like this isn't going to work and yet it does so and then the third season is the goliath chronicles which is okay. It's it's like if you know okay. The best way i can describe it is if you're into anime sometimes you have filler episodes which are just kind of fluffy runoff things kind of there. They fill in until you get back to the main plot of of whatever manga you're adapting and sometimes there's so much filler that you never that you get cancelled before he ketchup. That's what happened with season three which it's not add but it just isn't the same as season two which is phenomenal so yeah. But at least season two has a crap ton of episodes. I am blinking. How many right now. But go look it up on disney plus or whatever and just yes so i think we should do. That's my that's my Pre review of it. If we ever get it on on our schedule okay they yes. It was a good one fantasy. Plus then yep i know i can go and watch it so yeah right that i will add it to. The list are ever-growing. Yeah i just finished golden girls and now back on leverage so art way through season three of leverage so nice it will We'll see how fast i get through that season. Two of gargoyles longest season to his fifty. Two this wile that it either short okay. Yeah that's yeah so it's like i mean it. It was supposed to fill a half hour. So it's not like a huge amount of of commitment. But still i mean fifty two episodes that i kept thinking that was right but i wasn't a hundred percent short his that. Yeah so seasons one three hour thirteen. Yeah so that balances out then. Yeah it does so yeah. Season two huge but the others are. It's okay so it's not. It's not like staring down. Oh my gosh ten. Fifteen seasons of supernatural gets. Yeah yeah so you can. You can watch this one and not feel like you're staring down the barrel of impossibility olga. Good to know. Oh by an ed. Asner place hudson. That's that's not us on that again. I can see ed asner voicing regard coil. The santa claus thing still kind of a struggle f. all right well thank. You should lighten for that suggestion. Didn't mean to hijack the news or while her feedback with my gargoyles. The last bit of her feedback is talking about how. We're getting these big movies now. At christmas time. Yeah because he used to be summer. Blockbusters is now. It's blockbusters all year long. So we got star wars at christmas. You've got met christmas now. We're getting spiderman at christmas and then How spiderman no way home will lead into doctor. Strange the multi-diverse of bad disc which is currently due out next march. So probably around. The time of spiderman is released is probably one. We'll fire. Start getting trailers for doctor strange. So essentially we're getting doctor strange back back to back. He makes me very well in kind of doctor. Sharia segues and afc sound the spoiler alert. Yes why britney is not here. She's trying to remain spoiler for a god. Bless our good luck me. I'm like i got little kids. It's gonna be a while before. I get back to the movie theater anyway so i've already watched some reviews of it. So yeah but yes. This is your spoiler alarm for shanxi at the legend of the ten rings So you have been warned that being said oh my god very good i. I went into this not knowing a whole lot. I try not to research too much of the source material Just because i know they don't marvel while pulling obviously from the thousands and thousands and thousands of comic book. You know issues out there That they will cherry pick and adjust the source material. Yeah to the mc you so that it works in in on the screen So i don't necessarily want to be like oh this was this plotline. And if they don't do that exactly be like well so So but yeah. And the legend of the ten rings our latest feature film in the mc. You i mean this is origin story but not But it's not like just origin story. Eight like we have black widow which i mean like what was great and it was nice To see the tash again and kind of get that fill in the gap of in-between civil war and infinity war slash game but other than the sequence with that hall and her sister. Rest of black widow doesn't necessarily matter to what's going to be happening going forward as we now that we're phase four of the mc you. This is very much like okay. The infinity saga. That was the thing that happened. But we're moving on. They're going to be other threats and fish to fry like thanos. A that are coming down the pipeline. Some we know about thank you loki said. We don't bill. A lot of people stacked are coming so So you know we we have to get some back story. But at the same time we we have to keep the momentum going at i think they did a really good job with us the opening sequence with your kind of like the opening lord of the rings With you know gladiatorial exciting about you. Know the the one ring this ten rings and they don't fit under fingers he in the yeah in the comics. The ten rings are literally ten weeks ago of the fingers. But they were like yeah. We've kind of done hand jewelry now with anos and the infinity got so let's do arms instead which those are still a thing. That's something that people will do is put like weights and stuff. You know on their wrists and ankles as resistance as they do. You know like weight training To help strengthen the those muscles So it's still has some basis in reality Having him wear them on his arms instead of literal rings on nothing. But i mean this is like ninety percent of this movie is like a family story. You've got this guy who You know it was our art star. But we don't even really get introduced to him to like ten minutes and when we see him as a baby and his you know his his Parents are talking have Yeah because we get that that overview Like i said. I kinda like the opening lord of the rings but in this case is being narrated by chain cheese mother and i think it's going to turn into a love story but halfway like k. 'cause you go. Yeah because the story is that these these ten rings. Nobody knows exactly where they came from. there's different stories. You know as as legends get passed along stuff gets it out translated wrong or you know People will change stories to make them more exciting. Or whatever so you know. There's some people think that he found the rings in a meteor that a crash to earth which is kind of like the the origin of When you think about it if that was the case Some people think that he got them by defeating a dragon So we we still don't know exactly what the origin is but actually kind of important that we don't know by the end of the movie so But we we see his the rings. You've seen the at least everybody in the trailer so you've seen what the rings can do As far as power but it also grants the person immortality that has them as long as they continue to use them so his father finds them. It ends up living a thousand years And we see him throughout time gaining more and more power developing the army of the ten rings You know influencing history. At one point they allude to the fact that his father was actually genghis khan. Yeah we see them. We see them influencing things like you know the first war and like the french revolution and all these things But he finally reaches a point where he's like okay. I've got all the power and money. I never once. What's next and he. Here's a story about this hidden. Village called tau allow that supposedly holds a power even greater than the ten rings Su he goes looking for it and Reaches like the entrance of it. I guess and is is met by a guard that ends up being this woman and they end up having this fight. That ends up turning into flirting. You could fight and flirt at the same time. That's exactly what these two are doing. Yes i could just see the looks. They were trading. Like yip or this alan. It happens the people tau have power to. They never give it a name. But it's very avatar ish. Bending type they could they like they do all their power earthy. Yeah so but yeah so they end up falling in love She they wanna get married. Her people are like no. He can't be here so she decided to leave. And they go back to the real world. He puts the rings away. Get married and of having a couple of kids Shane she their son is the oldest and then They end up having a daughter Some years later and They live kind of a quiet life until their fathers passed comes back to kinda like wait. Hawk is about to go through the people he wronged. While he was you know being a bloodthirsty vigilante vigilante. You know just killing and doing all sorts of bad things not giving really any thought to who we may actually be hurting comes back to haunt them and their home gets attacked in the mom ends up dying in the process but not before she kills like twenty people on her own so so moms still got it yes he is yeah so but losing his wife since dad into a little rock yeah off the deep end and he ends up taking the rings putting him back on redoubling his efforts As far as his army with the ten rings and his money and power. But this time he's gonna train his son to be a bloodthirsty killer too but not the daughter. There's there's a the the daughter ends up becoming a an afterthought because the father is like no you look too much like your mother. I can't stand the sight of you. So sister gets set. Aside while big brother gets to become a bloodthirsty killer just how that helps the relationship other insys. Yeah yeah so that creates issues father son relationship not very healthy father daughter relationship not very healthy rather sister. Not very healthy of the year out here. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah so But his dad after so many years of training when he's what like fourteen. That's i think they like that. Yeah what he's like. Fourteen his dad sends him on his first solo mission and he ends up completing the mission. But then there's like screw this and then runs off to america and ends up making his way to san francisco where he meets a girl in school named katie. Who saves him from sa- bullies. Because he's the weird foreign kid who doesn't speak really good english at the time and he's about to get beat up when this girl Comes up and her way of deflect way of deflecting. The belief is to start singing hotel california. We're going to have a resurgence of that song. On a an eighty. Two knee probably. Yeah american pie. thank you black widow. The eagles hotel california are see a bit of research as is doing with giving us these like you know. You're your worms. Not that i like meeting it. I just want come next yes. Thank katie. is. I just got american pie outta my head. Yup this is the first time i've seen aquafina and any type of role i mean. She is absolutely fantastic. She's hilarious absolutely hilarious to share a little bit of the off conversation Messenger between rachel myself. I was saying the team up if he got dr seuss. Katie luiz in one room together narrating or doing a podcast about all the adventures of the avengers. In all this pure gold. If you're listening to do decide to do this please give us a teeny tiny bit of credit. Can we have like a podcast. But it's an in universe cass with like these character. He's a yes. And like i was telling holly is like yes. Those three would just be chatting up a store. It would be hilarious. Meanwhile jimmy who is in the corner playing with his deck of cards wondering why he can't hang out with the cool kids he dan his own little segment. They said that they let him do it at friend would be like yelling. Listening to the podcast healing. Why am i on the call security on him. so so that's the back story of cheese family So then we get to present day. It's twenty twenty three so post and game. People are still talking. You know. we're still seeing signs Even though yet well it set in the states there in san francisco so we're other side of the country but we still saying similar things what we saw in new york with the signs For like a recovery groups In assistance and that and that sort of thing you know affected by the you know the blip you get support here whatever maybe entitled to compensation six exactly and we find out the Well he's going by sean. Yes and he katie. Our good friends no romance despite. What katie's grandmother yes like. What are you getting married. He's like just friends like whatever grandma's kind of see through things here. You hear grandma knows what's up. Yeah but they are. They work at a fancy hotel in san francisco as delays. Just working their job as far as it out like Their friends and he doesn't have any family so katie's families kind of adopted him You know giving him food and stuff and they're like you know y'all how could have so much potential but why you just working the steady job. Because they're just you know they're they're collecting keys from very rich people with these. Very fancy cars Although when you know one comes along that It's pretty bad ass katie's alike i wanna take for a ride ended up you know. Driving all over san francisco drafts in the process. The furthest film So she knows her way around a car at whether or not working. They're either going out to eat with her friends or going to karaoke like well. We go home and go to bed and get a decent night's series adults are to them downing shots and singing various disney related to the karaoke. You see when the first trailer draft and like did you notice the words at the screen with those uk yogi. It's all the world from latin. So that's exactly what they're doing But no they're not a couple. Oh no not at all you know. Men and women can be friends. What harry sallie mae say yes not. Has several male friends. Hollywood screenwriters vehement leaders agree with you. Yes what do they know. This is true but but So but one day when they're on the bus headed to work they get attacked So that's that's like the first big set-pieces big fight sequence on this san francisco city bus. The driver gets knocked out because you know of course they do and katie has to take over. It's so funny. They're zipping all our ends. This was shot in san francisco. And i've been to san francisco a couple of times now and there were a couple of shots where i'm like. I know exactly where they are. I've been on that street getting little bags from the movie speed. Yeah yeah or ant man or amanpour which also takes place in san francisco So yeah there's a couple of like i have. I have walked up at st. I know exactly where they are so now. Next time i go to san francisco. I can you know like i didn't in cleveland looking for filming locations is so But yeah the the fight sequences which is really really cool. I think i said when. I was unhappiness darkness. It's like they saw all the hallway fights that are in the net flicks. Marvel series like daredevil daredevil. Did at first but like all of them have had like a hallway seek they. They looked at that and they were like hold my beer. Let's take that hallway and put it on wheels. Yes going up and down very steep streets in in san francisco because they out flat flat at very steep. And we're gonna make sure the bus is an accordion style bus. We can split the super long ones. That has little bit in the middle if he was really really cool though really machete guy. You know what's on the honestly komo. Yeah this is in good. Yeah yeah this guy the is missing. You like colson had lost like the lower half of his arm but instead of getting a static arm instead he can interchange bits and pieces and in this case he has like a giant machete the issue do and he can use it and swinging around and cut things who don't take that taste face study. This is a chevy. that glows. Yeah yeah so stable but instead of black ish red but that kinda kickstarts everything as far as getting the family drama back in here because at this point is don't like ten years since john ran away And he realizes he needs to go find his sister a katie's alike like well. I'm going with you. And he's like what she's like no arguing. He's like okay is that's a relationship. They have so they ended up. Going to beco- ed goto this underground fighting mike club essentially where people fight for money And it it it it because they've been traveling and they've been on a plane for like you know like eighteen hours or whatever in that time there's a there was a guy on the bus that's like you know like an influence or whatever inserts streaming on whatever. Mc you equivalent of like you know or whatever is and so. The fight goes viral so the time they get there. Everybody's like by What's his name from spider man. Yeah so they they go to this. Fight club sean ends up inadvertently signing up to fight the guy who's like emc who also works to john. John is showing him around and we see like the smaller rooms where they're like like something you'd see a zoo. There's two people in a room and there's big you know like plexiglass window and people are outside cheering. And there's just random people fighting but one of the match ups of one of those smaller rooms is a guy who Has extremist nice. Call back to ironman three. How he hasn't exploded is beyond me but whatever it is fighting one of the black widows who had been freed from the mind control back in the black with him so you know that was like pre infinity war and you know. Apparently that's what she decided to do eventually was to use her black widow fighting powers and make money in an underground fighting ring in china as you do as you know we get a little surprising his rookie two main center. So there you know katie's like oh is he gonna fight one of these rooms and john john. He's fighting the bane stage which is the big chained circle. The you know cage match where receive wong fighting abomination how that or a call back. Well i guess long the way to make sure he has sandwich money. Exactly exactly mr buck. Fifty is on me really wants says tuna melts. He's going to. He's going to have to pay for them. And apparently this is how he is figuring out how to make money because as we've learned being a master of mystic arts doesn't really pay anything fencing team her vendors. Gigs must have yes. Yep so yes. That's fun to see wong at abomination fight wong ends up using his sling ring to open a portal so that abomination punches himself out and then we got a little yakking. He'll see them talking and apparently they've been doing this awhile. 'cause even pulling your punches yes this is something they kind of do on the rag and then you know wong uses this ring to abomination back to what looks like the raft. So you know. They're just biding their time. I guess to let abomination get exercise. I don't the. I'm not entirely sure at this point. It's really just a reminder that this character does exist technically within the m. c. You even that. We've not seen him since. The edward norton incredible hulk But he is going to be back in the she hulk series next year so This is i guess. They're kind of way of being like. Oh yeah this character. He's a thing And we shall see him again. So you don't forget. I guess It's just a fun thing. Really wong on the other hand. He will be important later the abomination not so much at this point but wong very important So but then john. Jj ends up getting thrown into the cage. Match meets his competitor to be sister. She kicks his ass turns out. She's the person that actually owns and the fight club so she personally wanted to kick his ass because she's very bitter because when he left on the hit job he told her he'd go back in three days ten years later after six months. I was like ere this. Oh so yeah but She'd been training herself on her own and as soon as she could escape. She ran away at his building. Empires but dads cronies come. Come come knock and There's another big fight. That takes place a lot of it outside on some scaffolding. The building partially under construction at. Oh my god. I hate at the entire time even though i know it's visual effects. And they weren't really that high. But i hate heights and poor katie and my blood pressure and my heart was just pounding the entire time during this height sake. Harker you can show up any sounds like somebody gotta parachutes some thing her going on here cleaning. Yeah i was just. I was not having it so it was like i know. It's not real. I know it's not real but it doesn't matter matter so but So lovely daddy shows up in his all like hey kids as it hang in. We're gonna go active compound now so they all hop in the helicopter and go back to daddy's ten ring army secret compound in the middle of wherever in china Try to have a family dinner. A family dinner That's very very awkward. And at least the sister toll katya is like. You don't speak until spoken to gets to come along this thing. I love katy just goes along with everything in like nobody questions it. Nobody's like who is she. What is she doing here just you know. They're like okay. Well she comes along too so even the people that don't know her really know were heard shawn's relationship is like at this whatever. She's part of the package So it he. He explains to them that Supposedly He has he's he even both even though both kids ran away. He's always kept tabs on them so he's always known where they've been which is kinda creepy And which is letting them live their life but now he needs them both because he has been hearing the voice of their mother hall to him and a red flags up and he believes that she is being the. She's not really dead but being held hostage by her people in tau okay. Yes but he needs both of them to go with him so they're happy. Little family can be reunited because this this this doesn't sound Sketchy at all. You know what what dad to that is. The mom had given them both like these. Jade think they were like necklaces. 'cause he shows them out of comedy places the eye sockets of the dragon and gives them directions onto how to get into towel. Yeah because talao is kind of light. What kinda kittens psycho condon's hidden but it's also kind of like a brigadier soon where it will only appear to once every once every so often. That's what's getting ready to happen. Like in three days like the pathway will be revealed him you can go go through. And you know gain access to tau allow so But both both sean and his sister and katie are like yeah. This is a bunch of crap. Dad's lost it We need to find like we need to find a way to get to tau in. Warn the people there because he's probably gonna go go in with unto blazing without daddy. No one which is not going to go over well So they while in the process of them trying to figure out a way to escape because when they're all like a dad you're nuts in data this show you and he locks them up so they're like we need to get outta here and they start hearing these strange noises while big locked in the basement and they're like what's that So they go investigating the weird the weird noises and find a hidden room and discover that. It's a guy making a bunch of racket. That guy would be. Trevor slattery yes. It has acute acheive eight mandarin from iron man three played by sir bed kings. Yes i lost to the movie. More hair this time round even now just thinking about it if you'd like getting tears of isaac because this is so funny of all that in the dungeon that takes some kahane's on more parts works really. It absolutely does like if you saw the short dvd it was on It may been ironman three. Dvd at our remember. The all they did is i. A strange thing happened on the way thors hammer. Which has colson in it. All hail to the king which is where. Trevor get's busted out of jail justin hammer behind. Thank god and that is that is When woo that's that shane cheese. Father cronies are the ones that came in busted it trevor out of jail Because while they're having their awkward family dinner he seemed explaining to them. You know that he's like oh throughout my years of gaining power and everything i've been known by lots of names and that's when he name drops gingas kahn and he's like but some people decided to use the name of the ten rings and use it for their own gains even though they technically weren't heart of his organization dia and no choice open. Those that actually was the ten breaks all our proper. Ten range actually are responsible for kidnapping. Tony stark okay in the first ironman but all the with extremists and Killian in ironman three is all fake. Okay killian just decided that oh. The ten rings had a reputation of already being this brutal organization. I'm going to use that name and rate persona of this fearless. You know feared leader using the name. The manner in which when would never use he thought it was stupid and he's like they named the he's named after a chicken dish. So that was that was all others. Kelly it's it is actually the ten rings that kidnapped tony. Stark in the first ironman gotcha and f. Why all hail. The king is on disney. Plus the short is a good. You just do a search for all hail the king and you will be able to find 'em so but yeah they were going to when we was going to have trevor executed for Essentially tarnishing the name of of the ten rings right before they were going to kill. Trevor he launched into macbeth and he were so entertained by his performance that he's been doing weekly shows for them ever since court jester or the general. Oh my gosh like aquafina has been the the co comedic relief when sir. Ben kingsley comes back on this on this screen sorry aquafina like she still has her but he essentially he is the comedic relief for the rest of the movie and he is really added absolutely brilliant yes and he also has Bluefield companion with am dying eight more areas stuff hers as oh yes yes. Target ads one. If all you want a stuffed animal disney disney also has one. But it's not just like a stuffy Like his hands and stuff move. So oh yeah. I guess it just depends on by the you just want the stuffed animal to cut a whether you want him to like actually be able to do stuff his name morris he's this oversize corgi with wings that doesn't have a head really is what he is. A cutest thing doesn't have a head he doesn't have ahead but don't say anything about that. He's very sensitive about it. I'm trying to imagine cute and headless. It works okay. Okay when i get around to seeing this movie. I'll i'll have to. I'll take your word for it. But i'm not saying it of he's door will absolutely adorable. Then unfortunately the pictures of the plush on On target's website don't really necessarily do it justice but i will. I will put the link in the in the chattan zoom. So you can see it krissy So he's a creature from towel. He he in one of Wendy's adventures trying to rediscover the past to allow came across him took him and Met up with treasurer trevor. And they have been good friends. Ever since and trevor like completely understands what morrison saying when morris or swab it has three legs. Yes for at six legs. I guess yep okay and four wings up. But he i show for shows up and sean and katie or like freaking out like oh my god what is that and trump is like what is what. And they're like that thing and he's like you can see elucidating him. They yes because morris is native to tau allow he can show them how to get there without having weight having to wait for the whole brigadier thing to to happen so big at the they get the jump after a bit of a car chase trying to get out of the parking garage then. Stealing a machete arms are nice product placement for bmw and Use morris with trevor's a translation to get. The towel can speak language. So they they get to tau meet up with their aunt. who was their mother sister And she explains to them. The she she gives us the info drop. The you know the rest of the drop that we need for the rest of the rest of the movie About how tau is. Actually a fra tau actually exist on a different dimension. Again differ dimension multi verse. This is the thing that's happening But their village is tasked with guarding this giant kind of vault in a mountain that contains the this giant creature that can eat. Souls can devour souls and it's got all these little tiny little versions of it That help it and it was wreaking havoc and the people. The village doing their best to try and stop it but eventually they got help from this giant dragon that they call the great protector Because of course this is chinese. So there's going to be dragging in there somewhere and the great protector ended up helping them defeats the soul eater and lock it within. Its the vault inside this mountain and they've been tasked ever since to make sure that the stays closed because it eats souls. It's able to speak to those who are susceptible essentially in the voice of someone that they've lost so it's actually reaching out to when wu because it knows that if he comes with the ten rings ten rings are powerful enough to break it. Open okay So that's what we're potentially looking at as far as disaster So of course that means they know when we're in his army or coming so they got they got to get prepared. So what else are you gonna get but a training montage where everybody gets do costumes. And you know The at helps shane. She learn how to use power similar to his mother because he should you know he is a product of both of his parents and therefore has the ability to use power just like both of his parents We see the sister trading Because at tau everybody is equal as far as defending unlike with the army. The army of the ten rings were just men so she gets to train and then kadian learning how to shoot bows and arrows. And it's actually pretty good at it so we actually find something that katy is good at besides driving carson singing kariuki So dad goes up of course. Big battle ensues Dad bands making it across the lake to the gate starts breaking it open Letting out some will minion Soul eaters and these things are like. I don't know how describe them really. They're just this weird like bats a thera- face face other flesh might not but yes maybe maybe it makes a little bit of the shrike. Her agents of shield season season. Two last So they go out there out and they essentially latch onto people and suck out their soul and that person's dead and then they take the souls back to the giants owe leader feed it and every soul that it to get stronger. Stronger stronger You know shane she. Of course you know ends up having to confront his dad data ends up throwing him to the lake where he encounters the great protector He has comes flying out of the lake berry Land before talk about land before time. Thinking never ending story Writing all the dregs dragon core after being signed. Yes and Fifi unfortunate you know. People die One of the old wise men Ends up dying which is kinda sad Want to trains katie. Yeah they are the one who was like right before they go out ready for the big bat for the big battle and all he says the katie is. Don't die as useful advice. Thanks wiesel man and a the The more and more of those shrike things get released and they end up convincing the surviving members of the ten rings army to fight with them instead of against them But by then you know. Dad is on the other side of the lake. So he's not part of that conversation but of course. He it sean. Chee half have battle. Very luke skywalker. Darth vader one on one But then the gates The ends up getting completely opened the big. Sola leader is emerged and Shane chia shown his father that he's very powerful and is able to Utilize power both like his mother and with the ten rings and Dad ends up pulling darth vader. Yeah imagine the giant leader is the as the emperor sacrifices himself to so that the rings can be passed on to his son and then shout cheese able to go all mega dragon. ball z. Goku on on the on this giant so leader demon thing with a sister's help sister does help they have a moment She tries to sacrifice herself. And he's like no never gonna leave you again and this this whole moments but then yeah the battle continues so it has to yeah. The moment is over fairly quickly Yeah but in the end they defeated And there was a kind of cute yet. Stan moment boris comes in finds trevor thinking he's dead on the ground and this is all like you know it has a little more speak of like an old trip trip. Whatever it i knew. He wasn't dead. I knew he wasn't dead the minute he popped his head up and he's not dead yet and i'm just just acting get down here and active. Yeah morris does the same plops down on the ground layer and pretender dead very cute so so yeah yup laid they. Dad's dad's dead unfortunately but In the grand scheme of things you know he. He's he's probably better off because now he actually is reunited with his wife which is what he really at the end of the day what he really wanted. It's like you could just kinda see in his performance that he's like i'm not gonna fight this. Yeah my my son has proven that he's worthy of of the rings. I want to be with my wife. I am going to surrender like here. I am this thing has got me just like you know. Give up give up the ghost and it is what it is and i'm not going to go back on the promise that i need to shanxi that. If you some here in the rings yeah that he could at the right so yeah yep so So the the villagers saved the yeah. The evil soul eater has been defeated. Brother and sister have reunited and You know they. They've got you know their dad's gone their mothers dawn. They have now connected with her mom's sister and the place that she grew up. So they'll have that family connection Going forward And then they go back to sean in katie back at the same restaurant with two friends that we saw earl. Yes in telling them that they needed to get get a life. So they're telling them everything that happened and the one friend is all like you really expect me to believe that kinda. Yeah but yeah. And then it's like houses the world disappeared and you have this year. You're struggling to believe this story has been through and that after they get done. All this corridor open behind said friends. Yes the is going off like was like i. Don't i don't believe you guys. You know trying to pull something like this. Yes i yeah i know a hard time and then just shows up where the portal. And he's like changing like he's like your table is ready or something and they're like. Oh doc brown yeah you gotta come with me. Yes yes yes. Essentially essentially what it is like do you have. The rings is like yeah. Come with okay So they take off with a with a wong to Presumably the new york sanctum And that's it until we get to the mid credit sequence which is wong with sean and katie examining the rings asking questions. Like how long did your father have these thousand years. The you know anything about about them like where he got them like. No we have no idea And he's like well. It's not you know these rings are not any you know aren't listed anywhere in any of the libraries of any of the sanctums are kamar taj or anything So they have to go looking for outside help to try and figure out because when sean took the rings doctoring from. His father inactivated their power Wong mentions the fact that he doctor strange all the sorcerer's felt felt it the power like activate. So there's something about the fact that sean sean took them was using them. That made them act differently. I guess than it did whenever their father use them and so two other people and yeah he's like i've got nothing. I've got no information on these. So hey you guys got anything. It's a carol. Danvers and bruce banner not smart hulk bruce anna regular banner. Ruffalo looking. Bruce banner yes. He's no longer sling. Yes is unfortunately his arm is probably irreversibly damaged from doing. The they brought everybody back But yeah carols like yeah the i don't recognize these. Because it's it's it's not just the power of the the rings but they're also emitting a frequency almost like a message kinda like theories pager. You know when eventers figure out who exactly it was calling in. Tow carol showed up. And yeah we've yeah it am versus you. Know being the scientific one One of the scientific ones that we have left Is you know like yeah. This is this is nothing from this earth you let alone probably this. Yeah this dimension. At least they're aware of and carols. Like yeah i don't recognize it either But yeah they're like yeah. We need to figure out what exactly this is. What they're doing and who they're trying to con tax And it's more than likely going to be the big bad when we get to vendors five right. This is what homophobe could we just activate and again if you wanna go into the rumor mill and see what people are thinking yet can. odds are. it's gonna be someone to high level tier like a thanos and there's only so many of those like the great protector and it's gang to its yang. They're pretty powerful. But they're on the same leg level as like ego so you have like ego. Who is like an eternal. he's not an eternal he's a celestial was a celestial. And then you have the eternal and we're extremely powerful but then you've got like your your santos's And there's only so. Many characters within marvel vague could be on the same level est thanos so that does narrow it down quite a bit. It's not going to. It's probably not going to be hang. I think i think we're eventually going to lead up to king in ant man and the wasp quanta mania twenty twenty three but even caning is only. He's almost everything else. If not pretty close. But i don't think he's going to be vendors level these to be taken down threats would be my guess Because were especially if we get the fantastic four before we get vendors five because then you're starting looking at like the lack dennis and right like that But again at this point it's just speculation. Start shooting those rumor mills folks. Yeah but it is kinda funny. Because like you know. As as bruce and carol or leaving because they're not actually they're they're doing the vendors zoom call again like they did and then game yeah is so bruce and carol leave the bruce you know as he's getting ready to leave he's like welcome to the circuit. Yeah shot in katie like. Yeah you're probably going to be a now so We'll get your your orientation guide here shortly. And the job comes a lot of perks. No pay raised. Unfortunately we learned in falcon and winter soldier. There's no money in this gig but lots of power especially if you do it right. I'm wondering if they're not going to be any. Peter parker How to videos really enjoyed so you wanted to join the avengers and then you got into it. Yeah well and then it like it. You're setting up that you know some potential galactica level threat. And then you get the post credit teaser. Which shows sean sister back at their dad's compound because they like when they were at dinner with the friends and the friends like. Oh there where's is supposed sister and he's all like well she went back to dismantle our fathers organization we find out that's the opposite. She's actually taken it over has You know given it updated logo bottle the the the building and Now she's men and women training as soldiers And we just get the this little stinger at the end. The ten rings will return or her. So there's that too which so is all forgiven or is all not forgiven. Exactly exactly she issue using this. Just you know just to build more clout for herself. Because presumably she can't go back to her fight club in macau So you know she just taken the the fight club to a whole new level or is she gonna be the next. She can be batty. Issue should be good because she us army for good you know for brother comes to call and be like a the avengers needs a backup you know could be the door malaysia. Maybe her that kind of helped you don't know he but honestly at this point i'm pretty sure wong is going to be the savior of the. Mc you he just doesn't know it yet gray on the streets upon him. Yeah mean he's got he's got this to deal with you. Know he was just doing his thing. Post and game going to fight club with abomination getting his money for his tuna melts. And now this is happening and doctor strange is going to do something stupid. Do exactly the opposite of what wong told him spiderman no way home and wong's already had to deal with the crap that happened in the alternate time line and what if so it really at this point. Wong is the next savior of the mc. Oh i'm pretty sure. All the man wanted was a tuna melt right and boy howdy if he straightens everything. I'm thinking there's gonna be some stirred. Wong sau coughing to like. Here's the rules. yes thank you. Don't do x z. Here's plan m. plans z. Yup at what point. Like after an game ed now in this did he see bruce banner again and bill in bruce was like yeah sorry for punching a hole through your roof right. Yeah yeah. I was on my to send stephen to go to the deli and and they had to go flying through our roof destroying our stairway. Mr thanasis coming panos is coming long. Didn't get to go to tony's wedding because he got snapped. He probably got a nice meal at the tony stark pepper parts pepper potts wedding and then he still as far as we know he never got his tuna melt either. So long just wants a sandwich. Yep i'm sure happy and long pen trade stories in right training manuals like there's no tomorrow we have to babysit these adventures and it is a crappy life but at least when tony is alive. You know happy. I'm sure got paid. Well yeah so yeah that shame chait who there you go and somebody get wong sandwich in now. it'd be. It'd be hilarious if a if you know at at interviews and stuff the people who would Bring the actor place peng sandwich. Yeah so home of the lunch like so benedict. Fact is that's been. His first name is benedict. It is lasting long so like when they're filming the doctor strange movies and the director is like you know once them to do something. Yeah like hey on the next week. If he benedict he's gonna get two heads looking at him. Yeah feels wrong. He'll get the radio. He'll get one right acrobat him. Yeah he'll get the right actor looking at him and the name is still correct. Yes whether he whether you're talking about the person or the character that they're playing the a lot of directors will just call them call actors by their character name again. It's to work so yes it. What else exactly wong stewards. At least not twelve chris's onset true. Yeah they still have a few popping around but not as many as there were. Yeah we like the five in the russo brothers. And i mean even with the radio if you call them by their character dame you'd probably still have to go with last name 'cause like filming all the stuff from infinity war with once Tony strange and spider man take off on the ship and the guardian show up. You can't be like. hey. Peter is a set again. You're still going to get to faces looking at you. Yeah under parker and peter ultra. Yeah get that's going to be an issue. Oh my I don't know how the brothers did it. Somehow they did it. That's what they did star. Lord there you go yeah cool off. Any of our listeners have favorite listeners. 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Congress recognizes Juneteenth amid the "great resignation" migration: The path from anxiety and stress to lasting peace

The Daily Article

07:31 min | 4 months ago

Congress recognizes Juneteenth amid the "great resignation" migration: The path from anxiety and stress to lasting peace

"This is the daily article podcast published by the denison forum or culture changing christians to receive the daily article directly to your email inbox. Week day morning. Visit the daily article dot com. Now here's today's news discerned differently today. You have an unprecedented opportunity to share biblical truth with god's people and our larger culture. That's because any gift you give by. June thirtieth to help the denison form reach a one hundred fifty thousand dollars. Summer campaign goal will be doubled by a seventy five thousand dollars matching grant before a one hundred dollars. Donation would have provided one hundred people with biblical insight but today because of the matching grant donation of one hundred dollars reaches two hundred people with the biblical insight. They need to discern the news differently. The further our society moves from biblical truth. The more people will hunger for biblical truth. This is why meeting the one hundred fifty thousand dollar goal by june thirtieth is so vital. And why your donation today is so important. Please give today to impact our culture with biblical truth. Visit us at daily article dot org. That's daily article dot org. We're grateful for your generous and timely response. Let's start with some good news out of washington. Congress passed legislation last night to recognize. Juneteenth is a federal holiday. The day commemorates the emancipation of slaves in the united states. Texas was the first state to observe juneteenth as an official holiday. Forty six other states and the district of columbia have followed suit. It is noteworthy that the house passed the bill with strong. Bipartisan support. Four hundred fifteen to fourteen and that the senate had passed it unanimously the day before in more good news new york and california have lifted most of their pandemic restrictions. New york city is planning a parade on july seventh to honor frontline and essential workers. California governor gavin newsom called tuesday reopening day for his state. Two of our most populous states are now aligning with many other states as the number of vaccinated people continues to grow in. Today's fractured and divisive is ours. Steps toward unity and peace make headlines surely pinto was sworn into the knesset becoming the first ever death member of the israeli parliament however hostilities began again with hamas as incendiary balloons were launched into into israel and israel's fighter jets struck hamas compounds response president biden in russian president vladimir putin held a polite summit yesterday in geneva at what leaders agree is a low point in u s russian relations. Twenty eight chinese military. Planes flew over. Taiwan's airspace tuesday. The chinese government claims that the island is a breakaway province and durant announced tuesday that it is produced six point. Five kilograms of uranium enriched to sixty percent purity moving ever closer to the nuclear weapons grade level of ninety percent. Purity negotiating on our political differences is obviously important but treaties cannot change human hearts in other news. The great resignation migration is taking place as a record. Four million americans quit their jobs in april according to one analyst with basically burned out the global workforce over the last year one of the ways. People deal with burnout is by switching employers and forbes is reporting that your team is more anxious than you think. The article recommends that employers encouraged their employees to be honest about their struggles. Exhibit empathy and compassion. Avoid cowboy culture that rewards hard-driving success at the expense of collaboration share their own struggles. Take steps to reduce employee uncertainty and customize approaches to individual needs like the lobster diver who's swallowed by humpback whale which fortunately spin him out. We can feel consumed by an adversarial culture. We can submerge our faces in ice cold water to slow down our heart rate a response known as the divers reflex but we can't live underwater. We can pay twenty eight million dollars to ride into space next month alongside. Jeff bezos and his brother but after ten minutes of space tourism. Our flight will return to the planet. We laughed how then can we best navigate the anxieties. And stresses of these days. How backaches testimony is one of my favorite paragraphs in scripture. It begins by describing dire circumstances in chapter three though. The fig tree should not blossom nor fruit beyond the vines the produce the olive fail and the fields yield no food the flock be cut off from the fold. And there'd be no heard in the stalls in his day. This would mean the loss of every means of sustenance but the prophet responded yet i will rejoice in the lord. I will take joy in the god of my salvation. How can we experience the joy bac new by doing what he did. Scripture testifies in psalm. Forty six that god is our refuge and strength a very present help in trouble but a refuge can help only those who choose its shelter a house built upon the rock of god's sovereignty and word will stand amid the storms. But that rock can sustain only those who stand upon it. Jesus warned us. That prosperity can make us so self reliant that we refuse the grace and provision of god as i noted yesterday adversity can also lead us to question god's love and dependent our capacities ignoring his omnipotence. When we are well. We don't need a doctor when we're sick. We blame the doctor. Our evermore secularized culture. Doing all it can to persuade his that either is an appropriate response to the good news and the bad news of our day. Scottish minister john bailey prayed. Let me remember that. My mortal body is only the servant of my immortal soul. Let me remember how uncertain my hold is and my own physical life. Let me remember that here. I have no continuing city but only a place for a brief stay and a time for testing and training. Let me understand. The vanity of what is time bound and the glory of the terminal. Let my world be centered. Not in myself but in you in whom will your world be centered today. Would you consider sharing this podcast with a friend family member or co worker in order to help build a community of culture changing christians. Thank you for listening to the daily article podcast today.

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American/America East Preview

Around the Rim

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

American/America East Preview

"I basketball fans we have a 'nother wonderful guest joining us. Not only a basketball analyst, but a former head coach of Emory. Please welcome to the show Kristy Thomas Cuddy, welcome Christie. Thank you for having me. Well, we are happy and excited. We've enjoyed listening to your voice all season, and we're gonna rely on your expertise a little bit as a pretend to the American athlete conference. But also the America east. Let's start with UCF because out of the American we know about Yukon, right, but. Katie Abramson Henderson has done a wonderful job with her UCF nights. Now, they are starting off their first and second rounds in Coral Gables will actually start off with eras state Miami. Obviously the host they'll be taking on Florida Gulf Coast. Tell me why you see may have an opportunity to make it out of Coral Gables and shocked the world. I think it's two words, and it's K K K K writes this dynamic young playmaker for UCS UCLA is on the defense as there's on the state. So I agree with some of the other analysts out there that says this game may not get out of the forties. Because and you know, I think purist. It's a great game to watch. Those are looking for a lot of points. You may want to go to different game on at. But what UCS wants to do? They want to grind it out. They wanna make it ugly. They rely on their defense to create offense. They are so good at turning you over in scoring transition, and they were live on those transition points. If you can take care of the ball. It's a totally different dynamic for this UCF all of now where I was impressed in the American doing their games earlier in the season. It was really KK. Right. As far as the office of the duck Shen getting twenty to thirty point and. Then a couple of the players have four to six to eight points. Well, the break thing and the American tournament was that the post player showed up you had mafi Kaba who was huge for them. Just great post presence down low. They're great on the glass, they want to convert off into rebound checking chance points. And so that's why I call it a near as state game earlier this year I eras they'd have a little bit more balance to their offense. But it's gonna come down the guard plate. I said this about anybody plays UCS. If you've got experience point guards, you got a great chance against you see because they're trying to create the pace they want. They wanna make it frantic. There's understate has mature are play. Yeah. And that's interesting to me. Well, this matchup, especially from a coaching standpoint. I want to ask you a question. Obviously, you have great coaching spirits, but you've got Charlie Turner born I mentioned coach aid, you know, at this time. A year. Do you think it's it's at your defense or office, the women's basketball the game in general is growing? Right. So people are saying you gotta be able to score points. You wanna be Notre Dame? If you wanna be Yukon that kind of thing, but we're looking at two very tough defensive teams like as a as a head coach. What are you really relying on right now at this time of the year? I think this is my age and that I mean the head coaching hat. I sometimes off into starts slow that I ran game. There's nerves you know, some people just getting their legs back under them. You can't afford to dig a big deficit. So if your offense is slow to start your defense has the Solan. And so I'm just again, even when we made into run you've got to have a strong defense. And then you're off has to show up. And that's one thing. I mean you look at the old and whatnot defense travels. If you're gonna win these tournament, your defense bus, get packed, and you've gotta have it. And then I also believe it's a matter possessions this time of year. So you gotta take care of the ball. And you got to create second chance points wonderful inside the one thing I will point out before we move onto the America east. Is that UCS Miami, Florida Gulf Coast don't have to travel that far AirAsia other hand is going all the way the core. Gable? So we'll see if that plays a role in all of this. But definitely a heavy Florida presence there in Coral Gables. I guess you can call it the G curve Christie. Moving onto the America east main that is in the Greensboro region. We'll be taking on NC state now all season we've been talking about NC state and how they're short handed. You know, everyone's wondering, okay. When is there time gonna expire there? Three seed main as the fourteen see also in Raleigh Kentucky that will be taken on Princeton. But tell me what you like about Maine and do they have chance to knock off NC state. May is a very veteran ball club. And I get you know, going lead delete this year. This might be a team that has the best basketball. I choose that I covered, and it's twofold, there's a lot of experience for one. There's also a huge international flair. So these girls playing and playing high level with other national teams for so long. And I just I love the coaching staff at main as well any Vashon knows nothing, but how to win as a player now the head coach there at main. I I mean, I think if looking for an upset this interesting match up to me now NC state has a better low post presence than Maine, Maine's very primitive oriented. They're gonna try to spread you out and get to the ram and create threes in their offense. So that's the X factor in my mind, if NC state and establish their low post presence, it could be a long afternoon for me how ever. This maintain is averaging over eight reporters a game they can fill it up and fill it up quickly. And then see state, you know, we were talking about this entire region, Greensboro has some great post play. Right. I mean, NC states got at least a coup name, who's only only a freshman, but very good. Then you look at a John Bailey of of North Carolina and this region or colonie Brown. Obviously, Lauren Cox, Christina Neagh way. Megan Gustafsen is in this region as well. How much coaches relying on their post presence? I mean, I know we talked about the fact that defense does travel and I'm school too. So I agree with you love that analysis. But do you think that size is maybe the hardest things to prepare for especially for a team like Maine or a non power five conference team that maybe just does not have the the height? Yeah. It's a slit now at their out of conference play. You know, you look at main non conference schedule they played do they played at NC state, and it'll kill her. I think he could play a first round opponent that you regular shooter. Yeah. I didn't either. But that's got to be a huge advantage. You know, if you've already seen a team, and you're right. I'm looking at the same thing. You are a loss eighty four. But he's six. Yeah. Now that was December fifteenth when North Carolina State was at you know, they had they were healthier like still had grazed hunter a lot of their pieces. So that make a difference. But we will we will see I I've always been in America east fan. You know, even when all the was there with coach Abe was there, you know, when those they were going to the to the term every year, but they always seem to put up a fight. But it looks like a less NC state is reeling from these injuries. You know, I don't know it's going to be a tough. Onto to call. It still interesting now because I know as a foreign post player, you believe the ball should go inside. And as a point guard. I believe that too. I think what gets scary this time of year is this teams lose their identity. I think the best basketball works inside the l the highest finish three inside out. And so with the kind of games as long as all get inside. I'm not supposed to have to put up thirty points. But yeah, I do believe it's very difficult to prepare for post play. Like we're going to see in screen for regional Christie. You are awesome. I just love listening to your wisdom. We will have to have you back on the show. Hopefully, sometimes the term just to get your overall observations of what happening where can fans find you either on Twitter, Instagram, whatever your preference as where can keep up with you. You're gonna have after the shell like more. I hope so I'm most schools still. So it's at at coach Gotti. Awesome. Well, that's that you that is. The right name because you have been coaching us on this podcast. Thank you so much for joining the show, and we look forward to seeing you in the first and second rounds. Thank you, China's they all you're doing for the game things Kristie.

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The Final Show For Now We've Been 2020ed!

Altered Geek

22:15 min | 11 months ago

The Final Show For Now We've Been 2020ed!

"Pat is jesse from rock sugar. And you're listening to the geek. Cats radio network either right here to steve bertrand on altered low. Welcome to altered geek. I'm your host. Steve negative phillips. Joining me in this adventure into geeked them is tfc. when mike alo- alo- so it is the first and possibly last episode before the new year first episode after black friday and last episode. possibly of the year. I say possibly 'cause who knows yes who knows. We are recording this. I'm cyber monday. Yay we is yes. Today is cyber monday cyber monday. Know not what you think. Folks don't call that eight hundred number since you brought that up bring it off. We are an an x. In the brain a few porn. I actually called it to make sure that it was what it was. Why yes and it was one of the poorer of phone sex ledges one of those like cheap ones. That would see like those late night. Commercials like fox or some don't know yes and no. This is actually worse than those actually. Were enticing. this was just scraping forward explicit folks and there will be spoilers in this episode potentially regarding the mandalorian and other things. So you've been warned. I didn't even need to listen to the whole message. I just heard the the the bouncer music and like half of what the whatever numale voice said. And i just hit end on my phone and i'm like okay well. There's a phone sex phone number in anime season. One episode six on hulu have since removed how they removed. It was interesting. They removed so in the scene. Brain is trying to do his whatever spiel and he says you can go online. You can call us. You may unless you can email us. Whatever it is and there's all this text around an image of him. They removed the text entirely which put the image out of puts the scene out of context. Then they went back in and put a different phone number. So it isn't. Didn't they remove it completely so there is nothing there right. Yes and then they went back and put stuff back in there and put it back on hulu. The logic is mind boggling. Yes it is. Yeah i i watch those inlets. What's funny is we did that. Review and i didn't even like when it was on hulu initially episodes eleven twelve and thirteen. Were not there. Yeah this was Episode six the. I think when i went back and watched him and i was like in that show for those that haven't seen it. I'm sorry as mike said spoiler. I was pleasantly surprised to see chicken boo. All the other characters weren't dead and to see dr scratching steph. Yes i was very happy to see that episode. Honestly those two were my favorite out of all the maniacs skits. I honestly did not care for the rest of them and the pinky and the brain stuff pretty much all of it i liked and then all the sides side segments. I didn't care for either. So i don't know it was a lot of a lot of fun to kind of revisit. I don't know if they succeeded. Necessarily i think the best part about the warriors section of maniacs on who is stephen. I assume that was stephen spielberg. I'm not looking at anything. I don't know it might have been avoided whatever. But it's one of those things where i'm like. I liked that. And i liked several times when he acco was you know doing his fourth wall breaking stuff like the time where he's talking to you about reboots and how you know the whole spiel on reboots and how hollywood doesn't have any original ideas anymore in the nsf. No you know. I like that. People probably think the pinky and the brain mind control thing was not funny. I found it. Funny what i found funny about. It was hilarious zone. Just how they did that. I thought that was really cool but overall it's probably not something i would watch again. I will attempt to watch the second season but after that who knows. I don't know it just wasn't what i what everyone is saying online. And i tend to agree with us this kind of my opinion to it's gonna venom to it and i know that's probably because one of the the people attached to it is from family guy but still it. Just come on. Yeah and i think. Part of the problem is that they. I think it was too politically charged. Which i'm not saying it hasn't done before and done well but it was so blatantly. Obvious in like venomous. Like an i. Don't i mean say what you will don't care about it. Don't care about the politics at all. But at least they were more inventive when they were poking fun at bill clinton in the old stuff true very true i mean and they weren't like totally mean about it. You know they were just like bill. Clinton plays a sax and you know does all this other you know they. They had little funny jabs. And whatever. But i don't i don't know i felt like the the show is whole was whittier. Okay it is not steven spielberg. It is a guy named indy milder who plays the voice of steven spielberg. so whatever. what. I find funny is. I'm sitting here trying to look all this up trying to get the information. So we don't record an episode release. It be like a. I don't know what the frig i'm talking about and people come at me because i don't know what the freedom talking about. I looked up steven spielberg on. Imdb a lotta stuff announced or in pre production for twenty twenty one in two thousand twenty two the one thing the two things that actually pop out at me gremlins three and real steel to interesting choice. Who knows if these things are actually going to happen. It just says he's been announced as executive producer or producer on these things. And i refuse to believe that. Who framed roger rabbit to is in an pre-production even though it says it is for twenty twenty two. I have i don't often. I can't often give to other creators. money's tight for everybody not just because of chronic virus. i. I'm a disabled person living off living on disability sadly and most of the jobs i can do i can't get paid for them because social security. It'd be like wait a minute here. You're not supposed to be doing that. You're not supposed beginning paid for that. So when i am able to give to other creators it has to be something. I'm absolutely stoked about. And i mentioned on alter gig awhile ago about pop kill by jimmy palmer and dave johnson At the time they were doing their kickstarter for the second issue. Which in that you could. There was a level that you could donate to that. Would get you the first issue as well because you obviously missed out on a first time so i have the first two issues a couple of days ago i forget when it was but i woke up one morning and i get an email from kickstarter. Hey guess what. Comedian johnson's puck kill issues. Three and four finale is now on kicks. I'm like quick. So i'm only spending ten dollars so it ten dollars for the two digital editions. But i'm trying to promote this campaign like they made their funding in one day. The thing has twenty four days left but they made their funding within one day. It's that wow ocular. Yeah very very cool. And it will be covered on the pullback once it's released the other kickstarter that i pledged to immediately because it's just i'm i'm like holy crap their back so eleven years ago back in two thousand ten. Forget it if it was michael wilson or if it was our good buddy Was on youtube. Ben on youtube for he Told me about this new mash up band called rock sugar and he told me that the voice of wacko just hornell is the lead singer. I interviewed jess on key. Cast radio network the interview somewhere. I'll put it in the show notes. Whatever it's from twenty ten for this specific reason and we actually still have a promo from. Just hey jessie from rock sugar. You're listening to whatever it. Keep it right here it was. It's such a cool promo. It'll probably be at the beginning of this episode of of alter geek. Heaven heard anything about rock sugar since then until now. Their first album was called reimagined her and it's thirteen tracks. Mashing up metal songs with pop lyrics so stuff like Praying for a sweet weekend is a compilation of living on a prayer and Working for the weekend by loverboy. Don't stop the sandman is journey's don't stop believing mixed with metallica's enter sandman. It's so cool in so fun. Will they have announced. It is currently ongoing. The reinvented her second album from rock sugar. It's on kickstarter right now. They also made their funding within the first day. It's got thirty days to go. The interesting thing about this is they can't actually sell the music and they've been banned from itunes. They've been banned from spotify. They've been banned from all these places so in order to get the music for free you spend. I spent thirty dollars total. You spent thirty dollars. They give you an album coin and they send you a mess so the reason why. It's thirty actually twenty five dollars. Pledge the reason why it's thirty dollars is because they're sending you this album coin. That has a qr code for the album. And they're sending you a mask with their band logo on it. I already had the first album. I actually just had my computer. Put it into spotify from through local files. So i haven't listened to rock sugar again and i cannot wait for thing to happen i can. I'm so stoked. I'm hoping we can get an chuck back on for new interview. Chuck duran most people know chuck from the buzz. Weekly with his. I believe it's either his girlfriend or his wife. It's one of the two. Stacey jaaz watt but violas weekly. We talked to them a couple years ago. I think african if you do in you and maybe somebody else. It wasn't me Because i get all of their their Or more or less they follow me on and social media. And i follow them and occasionally i watched something or pay attention to it but kind of depends on time but yeah i mean they're they do some great content and they do it was me. It was just me that interviewed them back in two thousand twelve. They actually have chuck. Flubbed are the key cass radio. Name the geeky yup yup. Yup i love that. Everybody is checking stacey from us weekly. And you're listening to gigi gig vicky gigawatt more so funny. Hey everybody. it's chuck and stacey from violas weekly. that's right and you're listening to geek. Cast radio network every day as they rock. Let's go again listen again. So that's that's what i've been doing. I've also Because of what has happened in the mandalorian season two. I'm willing to say again folks. Spoilers in case but i'm not trying to actually spoil it because the news was out about this a long time ago. Rosario dawson is playing a so catano so catano debuted in clone wars. Yes and then again in rebels and then again in this takes place after episode. Six the after returning of the yes. Yes so i had. I had only ever watched clone wars briefly. I've only ever seen. I think the first episode of episodes of rebels. This is why. I love having disney plus now because i can watch all of it and i'm thinking up to season one episode four or five of clone wars loving it. It's so fun it's so good. So that's what i've been up to. Yeah i've been watching the mandalorian there watching star trek discovery a trained records. It is i. Yeah i still enjoy it so yeah. It's it's definitely a mess To put bluntly But i honestly like won't not watch it because it star trek right clear diehard knee and you have to at least watch to keep up and everything like that. I mean that. I'm just trying to get back into this. Podcasting thing already screwed up at least ten times mike. Michael wilson i recording are famous episodes and stuff for the that show already lost one recording. Don't aware it is. It's god. I just told him he told the and he's like find it. I'm like i've searched every surge term. I can search. It's gone so we have to rerecord episodes sixty four. We just released episode sixty one sixty two now. Originally the phoenix firm show which is entitled the podcast organization without a cool. Acronym the reason why it's called that is because infamous for People who are listening to this have never seen it. The agency that agent p slash perry. The platypus works for is the organization without a cool acronym. So that's why it's polka. Originally this show was supposed to be one hundred and four days within one year. Back in twenty sixteen twenty. Seventeen life happened between twenty seventeen in now and obviously for the last year. I haven't had my computer so yeah. We're starting that back up again in doing that. I'm getting back into the full bag. Our about to jt. And i are about to bark a scooby comic adventure. Because we're gonna do you. And i did the first issue of scooby doo team up way back when well earlier this year i believe comics. Put all eight volumes of scooby doo team up the trade paperbacks all eight of them for free and i'm like click click click. Click click like free comics. Yes please thank you very much. So we're gonna be doing that and we'll be doing some batman stuff in march of next year. The pullback celebrates eight years believe seven years eight years. Something whatever it is something like that But yeah i'm just trying to shake off this podcast or us. 'cause man it has it does. He's got her her. There's no please in some people know i. So yeah i mean it you know trying to find out you know find stuff to do and figure out what to do certain shows and how certainly we maniac episodes should have been episode to thirty three hundred thirty one because optimus all when a year ago record the first episode of scooby doo guests do as episode two thirty one so now i have to release that is episode two thirty three with a bumper around it. I just keep screwing up. I'm the worst broadcaster in the history of podcasts. Cosmic rust young. It is a lot. Oh what else we got going on. We're going to have a new website soon sometime next year. I guess or whatever. So that's going on something in the neighborhood. Yeah yeah as well as a new logo for the podcast new design. We have that now. We should debut that now with episode three eighty five. You think i'd be able to fill time. But i'm rusty i think so. Yeah there's a lot on the horizon with new website. We should debut the new altered gig stuff in this episode. That's my personal year. But if you don't wear that's fine here well. The year's almost over it's almost over is it's almost over. We got thirty two days left. It doesn't matter it doesn't count yet. I still need a new theme song. What are we currently using. I don't even know it's whatever booth ninja gave me originally. I think. And then i just slapped john bailey over the top of it. That's right. I need a new jingle. Somebody called joey gladstone. Folks know why don't wanna do technical difficulties. Let's move on saturday. overhead joker. Yes that's right folks technical difficulties plagues me twigs you. Yes plagues me. I'm a plague. I am a podcast plague on society. I'm horrible so this has been altered. Geek episode three eighty. You have twenty episodes till you get to four hundred. That's what she said. We wanna make sure that we say. Thank you to everyone who is listening. We know the last couple of episodes have not been the greatest. Thanks to me it's my fault. 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Whats next for the Cleveland Cavaliers? w/ Evan Dammarell

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Whats next for the Cleveland Cavaliers? w/ Evan Dammarell

"Welcome to another edition of the premium hooves podcast. I'm your host mark schindler as always before we get started if you have not already please be sure to rate and review us over on apple. Podcast early helps out trying to grow this thing. We're doing some pretty cool stuff kind of continuing that cool stuff. Were in the home stretch on our off. Season preview podcast. I was telling paul where she yesterday. When we were doing spurs one. I did not realize the endeavor was going to beat to get thirty people to commit to a podcast. I'm very thankful for the people that have. I was trying to get this done before the draft. And i think if everything falls outright i will It's been. It's been an endeavour but it's been awesome really cool experience on on site today to be joined by evan damirel of locked on cavs the sword and contribute or forbes as well to talk about the cavs my hometown team that i actually did not grow up liking. But evan how you doing today mandates joining. I'm good man and actually i am curious. Your pacers sky right yes. Ima pacers guy. So what happened. Who hurt you. That's a great question. So i didn't get into basketball until the year after lebron left or two years so it was a it was twenty twelve and i mean the very first just to this. This'll perfectly put it in your mind. You'll completely understand the very first game. I really went to when i was like i want to categorize growing up because i mean gunnery and was huge than and so the very first game that i went to when i was in the basketball was the back. Court was dion waiters. Jared jack in I think kyrie sat out the game that i watched. And that's where we're at man. It was a the buyer not. It wasn't by mike brown deer the one year. He came back in the flyer. I think jack was there. When brown's but at the double show i think it was that it was either that or byron scott. You're either way rough year very rough year. so i I i just became a pacers. I started watching. Obviously were great then so got hooked ever since that the good team to pick because they really were nipping at lebron's well exactly. I can't be a miami fan like kamara. what's that you know. Let's just jumping ship. I get that. Because i started as a lebron fan i and all my friends are dogging me so hard when we were in high school when lebron jumped ship to miami like oh you're going to be a heat fan. I'm like mom. I'm good more little the cavs now like i fell in love with that team and i felt so bad that one of the cavs games you went to was that dion. That's just tortures man. The those those are dark times in cavaliers. Hey all star who. All dang was stolen the team so those. I always forget that we'll all day was on the team. It's definitely the mike brown year. Because earl clark starting small. Oh yes alonzo. Gee was heavily featured no great times. Great times andrew vajna maiden appearance. Spencer hawes to spencer hawes was like a feature player. He wasn't a starter. But he was. Like i i off the bench man. No let's those david griffin grand scheme was to try. Make the playoffs with the haphazardly thrown. Together big three of kyri blue wall and spencer hawes and then all. I learned from that as spencer. Ause is a huge racist based cavs. Staffers told me oh. Wow yeah no. I've heard similarly about andrew bogut. Yeah beau gets a big mega guy. From what i heard but No people when they went to hawes house because he had like a team get together when he came to companies including when it comes in when they like one of the bathroom in the you know they found the obama toilet paper just a bunch of you know he started like okay. Let's just things are a little off and they start noticing his comments. But you know what i didn't know. At the time. I learned after the fact. I'm like makes a little bit of sense. Makes you feel better about him. Being shitty basketball player and being out of the league zony. There's that silver lining and everything right. So i think the first thing. I got open up with is a what is what's the best cavs jersey since two thousand. Because i think they've changed a ton. Since i was a kid growing up and i have i have my own selection but i wonder what yours are. This is tough. I really liked that first. Lebron air set as a whole Blue alternate was my favorite like the midnight. Blue alternate. I think that's the best captures the ever. That's that's such a clean. Look because the scripting is great. Then handlings good. It was such an iconic. Look but i really do like the adidas rebrand that they did after the brown left like. I thought that was a clean. Look as well but some of my favorites are still in that second. Lebron era when they have the cash fanatic. Jerseys ended wining goal throwback with the cavs the basket v on the chest and like it was a little bit of a mishmash of two different areas. Like that's a sharp look too but No i think you and eric reid is that it's that midnight. Blue lebron offers lebron said because man. That's clean and i know the cavs are looking to change their look again and they probably can't go back to that. Look but if they're able to hearken back to the air a little bit more. I'd be very happy camper watching them. Play a night tonight. Phases win or lose weight when they were the the two thousand throwbacks. The one from when sean kemp was on the team those are solid. I remember sexton in them this year and they look it i. I don't remember which game was but warm like a couple of times this year. But i think those they actually played your pacers on opening night. One oh wow. I forgot about that. That was one time. I remember the year started and i was like okay. There's a bunch of new players on the roster but it should be fine. They went oh and four to start the like. Oh no but then it ended up. You ended up. okay. I guess but it was. It was a rocky area Won the series. Now that was. I think for this. A bonus extension still trying to win a bonus coming to cleveland but notre had twenty. I remember this game. Yeah kevin level set a triple double thompson at twenty five and thirteen and call sexton head. Eighteen five and three. And everyone's like. Oh my god john. Bailey and jordan clarkson assault off the john honey era when they looked like they were going to be a playoff team for five seconds slugs got very sluggish. Yeah well sluggish racist in the locker room. But no i do honeymoon. Air is so weird to think about if one feels so long ago because it's been the according to the cavs over two hundred days since they played basketball at this point which is weird to think and Just more so yeah. I remember the good times really rolling with cavs fans and Quietly raised my hand like the backbone. Instead like you know they're gonna be playing a bunch of good teams in the next few weeks so like don't lose this energy. If they start losing an embarrassing fashions than i pretty sure the avs absolutely slaughtered after. I said that so philadelphia. I think that was when i knew it was over when kevin love took way he didn't i think he got called for vegetables. Like an eight second violation in pia nosy. The wheels fell off the wagon in spectacular fashion. It was a quite a fun time. Yeah so before we kind of dive into things more. I think I mean you mentioned two hundred days I remember thinking you're with just with the pacers being out in the first round. Like i feel like i haven't gotten the watch my like the team play live forever so you have to be just like it. Such a different level. Because i know all of the delete teams did not Media coverage wasn't allowed to watch anything. As far as i'm aware so so where are you at with with how long it's been since you've gotten to see everything and how are you kind of r- Reminiscent enrollment put up. Like kind of looking back. Still remember what they look like. I remember when the season did bend. It was an embarrassing loss to chicago. Where the cavs were they. Were missing in quite a few players from the roster that boy the rotation was pretty light under Bickerstaff it was a game where chicago had. No business winning because they just weren't taking cleveland seriously. Cleveland play hard now just super frustrated. And i think early in a few months in it being coast locked on. Cavs chris manning i i. I'm for a solid five. Six minutes We gotta cut all this because nobody wants to hear us. Panting into the microphone but I remember when rudy gobert tested positive. I knew it was a serious thing because my background is in biomedical engineering. Silicone a little aware of like try and keep in touch of this stuff. So i'm like okay. This is serious. But i thought all good. I just thought while on good like oh yeah. This'll be like maybe a month or two and take a little bit of a gap and no this. This pandemic was not ideal over team. Like cleveland who has so many young players on the roster and you have sexton garland osmond porter even dylan win lawyer who is coming back from leg surgery who needs consistency to be able to show. Why the cavs took him. Twenty six overall you meaningful member the rotation but not only that but andre. Johnson just came into town. They're trying to get him acclimated. Gb bickerstaff just became the head coach. A few games before that like everything was going against cleveland where they needed the second half of the season to really figure out. Okay what's our identity going forward. And where do we go from here but like you said they were able to do in market workouts like their own bubble situation. The media had no access of than virtual sessions with the players and coaches after practiced. And that was still limited. And obviously that's tough but like there's whispers coming out but thankfully the cavs and their social media team in their production team filmed everything literally everything and they're putting together a documentary series once every couple of weeks about the preparation process with the for setting the table with everything kind of hitting the fan. But i think there's episode that is supposed to be reporting on a tuesday night for those listening. But i'm supposed to drop at eight o'clock tonight and they're gonna be focusing more on draft stuff and yeah no. I think the cavs just want to get through the draft. Get through this. Haphazard free agency and figure out what's going on with a few players in the defense is going to be their identity going forward and that's the one thing i really took away from camp We'd lindsay gottlieb on the show a lot on cavs and she's telling us like yeah one of our biggest things. We broke down every single game with every single defensive. Misty remiss happen spoke with the players individually and as a coaching staff of one of the do better and jv really pre said like yeah. That was one of the biggest things. We hovered preached in training camp or many bubble campout. Everyone to call it is defense. And that's really what the cavs either prioritize and they're they're pretty bad at defense. I suppose my first thought they're not gonna make a huge improvement. I'm bit of a cynic in that regard. But i have faith that maybe a little bit of time together and in fact that jd. Bickerstaff is known as a defensive. I coach will but it also depends on who they target the draft than if it happens to be. The obese opened from hopeful is not. We'll get to that for sure. But you get to that for sure. That's the cy was Beaches reflecting my thoughts on it. Because i'm getting the idea of. Cleveland really does like him. I think that's counter productive to what they're trying to do defensively but whatever i guess. Maybe i'm not as bright a basketball mind as i thought if token if it ends up being a great player for cleveland i will eat my hat. And we'll have reservations about doing that but Yeah now it's it's been it's been a long time and like you said it's a it's gone really slow but then like we were about. I said man. I can't even believe it. Cleveland open their season against indiana at home and they won and the good times rolling. That was october twenty. Six last year over year says the cavs and the paisley at least. It's been over a year since opening night in cleveland. And it's gonna be. It's gonna be weird transitional time i don't know what access the team's going to provide the media. They're actually people into the arena. I mean fans will be there for sure. But i don't know of media to be very interesting year in. I wonder if it's going to be another moment. Where the cast kinda look really sharp out the gate. Just because they're so young athletic and a lot of these teams are either tired from being in orlando for forever or a little at sank just because of being so away for so long. That youth in athletics isn't trump's them for a bit but we might see a repeat of last year. Now that i really start to play this out in my head i dunno. It's interesting yeah no i. I'm really excited because i agree. I mean i think there are so many variables headed into the season. I think that's one of my big takeaways that i've had since the bubble star because going into the ball. Will i mean. I'm i'm like you mentioned. I'm super cynical and pessimistic as well when it comes to basketball. I mean anytime. The pacers have gotten good. Dana grainger gets injured. Paul george gets injured. Victor depot gets injured. So you get used to it I think i went into the ball was like i be surprised if it even like last the entire time and i was very happy to be wrong about that but also i mean i was like taken away by. How competitive games were i mean. I felt like even the seeding games minus like the last couple when Some of the bigger teams or teams. That were more established in their their seed. Just they weren't playing their guys that much But for the most part even with the seating is it felt like a playoff environment so one of the big questions. I have coming into next year. Is you know how behind do the deleted teams look or are they behind. Maybe they are. You know the team the the time they had off they able to build off but still like i don't know i think it's it's difficult to lose some in game reps that you get But i mean those are certainly my big questions But i'm really excited to play. I'm i'll be honest. I know from listening to you guys. I think just from cleveland. In general people are not as high section is i tend to be I just think i look at sexton. I'm like okay especially looking at the back end of the season that he had before the bubble and you can say whatever you want about it being you know on a on a rough team so somebody has to score. But i mean he was having an outlier awesome time like i think he was putting up by twenty five five and four. Unlike sixty two percent shooting was just playing. Really damn well And i i know that. They're obviously i mean his floor vision. That's a that's a whole other thing that i'm sure we'll get into But just in terms of what he was doing and what you can do. As i still don't think he's gonna necessarily be driver in office but in terms of what he can do at coming off actions in generating good looks like i think he's incredible and i mean just from from knowing some people in cleveland like his his work ethic is like out wire like borderline just like a insane work ethic so i'm just so high What he can do moving for where you kind of. Add on sexton and we'll talk about garland. Kp jaiswal fisher. Colin is an interesting player so for the longest time i was firmly in the camp. I said i think colin sexton's ceiling as a six man on a playoff caliber team in. Maybe that's still is the case. But in cleveland. He's going to have a lot of opportunities to continue to prove me wrong. Because let's rewind back to two thousand eighteen draft. Lebron was getting ready to leave. Violent has in colorado desperation plea. I was not a fan of the remember that yeah. I was not not a fan of the pick He was a point guard. Who here's a score. I guard who couldn't pass and he could not shoot because the shooting numbers were warrant in alabama and When he first came into the league long twos really take that extra step back making threes on a consistent basis and apparently I've spoken to collins family. He reads everything the media says about him. Good and bad and kinda just keeps in mind like a. Hey this year one of my haters. I'm like improving wrong and he proved me wrong for sure. I think a lot of it really fueled him to when he got that. Rising stars snubbed. One i think the rising star game was either i. It was the twenty eighteen all-star Nineteen all star break that time and he was snubbed from that and that was a big motivating factor for him to come out and he came out. Like a gangbusters earned all second team rookie honors. And i'm like okay. Maybe the cavs do have a bit of a player here. But like he still has deficiencies in his game. Rhyme really concern and Yeah noticed the fast forward to this year is His three point shot abandoned him at first which was a little weird to see a little concerning but he founded the corner on that and like you said. He was insanely efficient in his shooting. Numbers in splits and like arguably like it's a bit of a reach but he there gary harris s numbers time if you re looking at the long term potential both careers. But they're still concerns on defense and playmaking. I feel a little bit better out than his court vision released under bickerstaff. Because i'm sure as you out someone who has fans in cleveland and you pay attention to the cavs scene and everything. John belan is very rigid with his offensive sets. He more so didn't tailor. His offense to cleveland's roster he tried to tailor cleveland's roster his offense end. He did the college coach way moves. Yes exactly what everyone was concerned about within coming in and believe it or not. A seven-year-old basketball coach does the stuff they doing their entire career. Like know successful on than say. Oh yeah this is what we're gonna do. An neymar sets after animals. Yes i remember that article one. It's a lot to unpack. Jovan writes a piece about the cavs. It's usually not a good thing to say that much but once. Jd bickerstaff was hired. As coach. he did share his going to do a lot of weird things. Offensively like playing kimber juniors. A point guard. Or maybe of a point four which didn't get to see a lot of that something he still wants to explore the three big lineup with Injury was fantastic or just in was five and they just miss matches and Larry came on the show actually instead of us he's again. We had no idea what we were doing it. But thankfully miami had did not plant board either and it somehow worked and then it works. Small does is which is cool but the biggest thing. I don't think enough people talked about was the fact that was averaging four to five assists per game which is a huge jump for him. And it's just because jay be installed a pick and roll offense where he gives the ball to his guard. This is on garland was out as well so they really gave the ball to call just operating traffic. The offense work and sometimes didn't work. It didn't work because colin to suffer from tunnel vision and he likes to scoring attack the basket with reckless abandon. But that was encouraging my co host chris. Manning really good as if you're disorder pointed out like if collin is able to consistently draw fouls he will be one of the salida offensive players especially for his age group Like that's a big thing for him to work on. But i think for him if he's able to be competent on defense that i think with the coaching staff really drilling home defense. The fact that colin has. I believe a He is a google plus wingspan. It's like that's not like monster. But it's like pretty solid for his size for six as a six six wingspan. He's a six one guard. So i mean. It's long enough and i think he has the potential to be Opposite enough defender. Where if he's able to do that. He can find his niche in this league where he's not a liability on the defensive side of the ball teams just blast him in the pick and roll situations just attack him on when he's defending in general. I think he's just legitimate. Threaten cleveland views as their culture centers. Well if tristan thompson comes back a different story because you know carrying up lebron like torch in just keep building that legacy of lebron established will he took trista owners weighing but no colin is like you said the work ethic thing kinda rolled my exits like a cliche for players. Like it sometimes feels like it's code for your wealth player socks and so i rolled my eyes added but no colonists proved me wrong time and him becoming a a very good shooter in elite offense of threat and just two years one and a half years time. She didn't get to finish the season. I'm very excited to see what he has. Come in next and I think going forward. If kevin love is gone and tristan thompson has gone. You have to look at colin. Since clearly it was best player going forward. Yeah no exactly. And i think i mean it may be because i'm a little bit jaded on kevin love. I mean i. Viewed colonists the best player on the team this year like at least back into the season. I was mentioning speaking on the defense. I think part of it. I mean that goes into talk about garland but I mean he's there is garland couldn't defend to Sexy was guarding much of the year. I mean that is problematic when you're six foot one. It's just like it's putting him a torture chamber is cruel watching. James harden post him up at the top of the pain. And i'm just like this is so unfair out. Doing this is poor kid right now. Who was against when he did that like he got. It looked like he reached out into k. On impotence guys on the far corner not. It was close corner to the camera. I know what you're talking about. What he's like it was It was one of the best means of the early season. That was good Just such a fun player to watch. 'cause i love whenever i write about colonizer if he's like the feature piece for a story like going through image databases because he's so intense one hundred ten percent of the times like he just looks like he's just straining every single muscle is bodied every single picture because he so alike into winning and just being an high density player. It makes me laugh. And i just think when he tried to lock down josh hart. I believe in summer league when he went to that sumo stand. Oh is that when his lap floor josh her. Yeah yeah it was a. It was a valiant effort than like. Even lebron was teasing him forward. And i'm like yeah. This is nice. It's it's good. Why don't you come back already. Just change your mind at the lakers but now darius was also very bad defensively but I think he's going to be a lot worse overall because he's not as athletic is calling and he doesn't have a wingspan like colin does and he's gonna be Player cleveland tries to hide on defense. Or maybe they eventually realized two point guards or too small guard sets in your back. Core doesn't work and they put a bit regard next areas like a have quarter if you will Or you just explore navigate that instead of you try to hide areas on defense. Like darius is a bit of a ball rising player. cleveland advanced. Everyone is starting to fill firmly safe sailing okay. Colin was a good for eighth overall. Which historically is not a good pick darius. Meanwhile at v was super disappointing his rookie year and he knows it. The acknowledges the which which is a good thing He accepts the fact that he was injured for the better part of the year. I think he had lake surgery heading into a secret lake surgery heading into the draft and that kind of came out after the fact and they found out that he just has was mostly just unhealthy for the better part of the year. Now that he said he tells After the just wasn't good He's willing to bounce back. But i'm also ammo cynic. I talked about comes to the cavs. And but i'm not ready to sell the ship in tylenol darius garland because it's i'm sure people will send him on a regular basis or sick here. Anybody shown so many like flashes potential that. I don't wanna give up on him entirely but if he does look as bad as he has at. Some point is rookie year about. Look say whenever the all-star break Theoretically would be because there isn't going to be an all star game this year That bad i'm like okay. I'm ready to pull the plug in ring. Sound all the alarms. Just say like all right. The cavs drafted a bust with their fifth pick. Yeah no i. I think i feel similarly like the thing that's still got stuck out jesus That stuck out mostly was just his total lack of births. And i'm i'm really again. I'm hopeful that it was just injury because you could tell he will like physically. He didn't look like using completely nba shape. And that's not on him. I mean i think he was was injured this year. It's it's a total fair argument but in terms of like i think he took less than one hundred shots at the rim. This season. if. I'm like i talked about the cavs like a month ago and i think i remember it being around there but regardless like is remember terrible. He doesn't get to the rim. He's never gonna draw free. Throws i mean he's a good shooter so that's awesome but like in terms of if he's actually going to generate anything as a real playmaker. It's going to come by getting to the rim. Not be great there. But that's just how you generate stuff out a pick and roll. So i don't know i think that's kind of where i'm at. I don't want to right the ship on him like you're mentioning to Obviously you know. I think there's reason for him to get a to address that high. Well maybe okay. Maybe not that high. But you know what i'm i'm saying. It's actually kind of cathartic. It sounds like terrible but i find it kind of remarkable. That vanderbilt has their best player two years in a row injured before they even get close to the tournament and they're rejected as a lottery. Pick but i don't know we'll see what happens with aaron It is fascinating for sure. But jerry stackhouse just doesn't like his players or something. I don't know something like that. But i guess what gives me comfort At deir is at five is jerry. Culver had a pretty up and down not too great year minnesota. I understand why koby white has looked good towards the end of the season chicago. jackson hayes really fit in cleveland. Because i don't especially after the chafer drum and everything Ruby hotch mora. I'm still not hundred percent. Slow on camera dishes. What he gives me pause. Because he's a stud defensively. He's more mature offensively. But that's five picks back Tyler herro. I know people like all the cash at the draft tyler. Herro instead of dearest garland mike counterpoint. To that is i. Don't think you get the same tyler. Herro in cleveland. Yeah i would agree because tyler herro benefits the fact plane with so many good players. He and the fact that miami has that established culture in one of if not the best coaches in the league and erik spoelstra. A stable front office led by pat riley. Like that's a perfect situation for most rookies the land but you've put the few took Heroin blossoming cleveland. You wouldn't get the same results. Yeah no i. I totally agree. I think i've gotten actually really annoyed with that Just because i mean i. It's a weird counter. Because i really enjoyed the miami team and watching them play and do what they did because i think they were a really good team and they really just took full value bubble but i also super annoyed with some of the takes for like tyler is a nice player but i remember like it wasn't just like a random account like somebody like a blue check last week. Tweeted something about how they wouldn't trade. The heat shouldn't trade tyler herro for or something like that. Yeah just like come on. That's attention one of the exactly. It's just like a joke. I'm like come on man like. Yeah but you mentioned andre drummond. So we have to talk about andre drummond. How did you feel about the trade drummond to cleveland and kind of outlook of that a little bit. At the time. I thought it was a good trade because john henson will at the time john bailey and is still the coach so johnson had fallen out of the rotation which was mad because john. Hanson was a lot of fun off cleveland's bench season Brandon knight couldn't consistently stay healthy throughout his career. You could tell what the injuries had taken their toll whenever he did play. And because of injuries in cleveland he was forced a three at times. A little unfair to him and say But you send us to expire deals for players that are going to be next year along with. I believe a second round pick vehicle state. They attained the dante and trade. So a second round pick. That's going to be fairly meaningless going forward. What's golden state's back at full health to you know. Take take a chance on a an all-star caliber player or at least a former all star on drums as a fan of the trade at the time. And i'm like okay. This gives the cavs a little bit of juice juicy. Maybe this'll jolt the roster back to life and they looked sharp and his first game and then a little hit or miss results in after panel watching and you know getting warned me a lot of folks who cover the pistons a lot more closely and pay attention to them a lot more closely than i do about the works andre drummond. Those all came out in cleveland and I know the cavs have more or less stalled and the extension talks between drummond have stalled is based on how much the money is at this point in. I'm not gonna be too upset. Let's just put it that way. When andre dramas no longer a cavalier's because he's been he was brought in as kobe. Alvin shared with the media after the trade like the following days. I don't know he's brought hebrew bringing him in to help. Our younger guards grows playmakers as well. He's been the antithesis of that with and bringing up the ball and jacking up threes on the perimeter which in my opinion noted sharpshooter. Shitter on. jim drummond three. Pointers are as bad. If not worse than a turnover from him and It's just super frustrating. And the coaching staff is real coy about it and they say like yeah. We'll we encourage them to do. It's a straight of question. May i think i asked eighty bickerstaff. I'm like are you really going to let andrea. Just continue to freelance. Like he does and he's like we want him just to play his strengths. In what makes him feel comfortable as we get him acclimated to what we want him to do. Mostly defensively and i'm like okay. So he's going to keep trying to make plays in the three point shooter. I get it. I get why he's trying to do it. You look at the big man today At least a big meal like drama and he's a dinosaur in today's nba but a brook lopez. Jose drop coverage big man. Who can stroke it from three. And he can make play he can move the rock a little bit just because that's a necessity. Mike who knows are offensive system Drums trying to do a lot of that. I want but we're seven years into his career. Everyone knows what he is. And it's just a case too little too late. And i think he's going to pick up his player option but the extension talks like. I said i've gotten weird. Unease more or less ghosted. The coaching staff and the roster from what i've gathered So it's going to be a little awkward when he comes back to cleveland but he's going to pick up that player option because i do not think he's gonna get close to twenty nine million on the open market pandemic and I think cleveland. Try to move him at the deadline or they'll move at the draft because if they draft like an kong were of james watson falls to them. They'll try to flip drum. And then but i would not be surprised if he gets the deadline if he doesn't get moved that the deadline either the smith treatment and tell them to go home if he's a detriment or just only very super soup around and It's an experiment that didn't really work. I understand why cavs did it. They're trying to get better quickly. And if it all star power player who somewhat lines up their teams rebuilds. Timeline becomes available. You take the swing and it was a swing and a miss. That's okay because like i said the cavs didn't give up too much for this experiment. But i've seen enough and i've heard enough off the court about like what he's been working on what he's been focused like his. His main priorities aren't basketball right now. Which is also huge red flag at my mind So i'm just i'm ready to move on. And i think a lot of of this team closely are two. Yeah yeah no. It's it's kind of an enigma for me. Because obviously i mean coming up watching the fantastic front court of of andre drummond greg monroe and josh smith i mean spacing i that's basically said Nance thomson drum. We're going be when they first attained him in the. It actually happened for a second. I'm like i was joking. Please don't actually do it. You don't have to actually do it and say we did. But but don't you know exactly. Yeah no it's so weird to because it's not even like he needs to be a three point shooter any actually has like a solid handle and he's not like the worst of a passer but i think the problem is just like he tries to do things that are totally outside. Wheelhouse like what he needs to do interest again. It's easy for me to say twenty three year old kid living in in toledo like i don't know but i think just looking at what he can do when he's capable of doing like if you were comfortable just were not even comfortable but h- you're willing to just kind of be a rim roller and really hone in on defense. Which i think is almost too late. Like maybe if he was with a not saying the cast. Coaching staff is bad but if he was like a real winning environment like what happened with dwight howard this year like he was forced to be a winning player. All those because it was like. You're gone if you don't play differently. So i feel like a muscle like that happens with andrea. I don't i don't know if he's ever going to be a impacts player at high level I mean he's still a good player but just not on the right context winning player. That's just how i feel about him at the end of the day. Which which is a shame. Because when he's on he's had games. Cleveland like in san antonio was a good example. Where actively. That's what the andre. I want to see the unit. There are some three pointers. Even if there are some haphazard passing but like he plays to his strengths. He plays to what made him all star to begin with where he is one of the greatest rebounders of all time who acts river rolling. Big man on offense. Like i want more that. Maybe we do. Get more of that in house talking to chris manning co host about this and if we do get more that you could maybe talk to you to an extension but right now. I'm all the way out on the avs committee. Any serious money to him. Yeah if shooting more than a half a three-game good bye but kind of heading into that next romo. A little bit Looking at tristan thompson. Do you think that the team would or should bring him back. So obviously he's up This i keep trying to say summer off. Season this offseason. Yeah i think they should Tristan's value on the open market will not be as valuable. What he is. The owns is because not only. Is he won another better players. Offensively defensively you can. He has his lumps that he is again. Elect drama in an elite rebounder. And like that's one of his skill sets stick with him for a while I think yeah no. I think we'll definitely try to bring him back. Because it's not just that but it's also the cultural impact on this before. Lebron tried to with dion and it didn't work. Tried to carry in carry thumbed his nose at but tristan actively wanted to be mentored and taught By lebron how to do things the right way into actually delgado fisher like what's what's one of the best things it's the brown ever taught you delis just like oh. No tristan would agree. Say that He taught us how to take care of our bodies and how to be leaders and how to make the most of our time and opportunity and you hear a lot of the same thing from the young guys again interest teaching me how to eat right how to do things the how to take care of my body how to make the most practices and opportunities what to be looking for in film what to be looking for on and off the court keeping me my head straight. I mean trust is actively taking a role as leader and mentor in this team and it's left a lasting impact on his cavs roster but since they're so young of some of these key players and there's still so much room left grow into. I think cleveland could try and find a way to bring back on one to be three year deal. I think one is a lot more realistic. His bird rights than go over the cap for him. They want though. The mid level exception adam which is ideal Maybe since there's so much uncertainty in his class in i mean i know like the cab. Numbers are set and everything. But maybe you just want to post up shop here. In cleveland and i know for a fact rest in wants to finish his career at the cavaliers. It means a lot to him that he's the most tenured cavalier cleveland's roster since he's been here since two thousand eleven at two thousand ten two thousand eleven though so crazy to say man like i can't even believe that it was that long ago he got drafted such a baby then too i know he looked so different going back and looking at him. When you guys rafted i remember. When he played for byron scott he was a backup four and they tried to play tristan thompson before it is in various the five or they tried to put a traditional center leandra biden next to thomson and thompson's only offense of game was deliberately like take the ball of both hands like put it between his legs wind up and try and docket or you just do put backs and just rebounds and i was just like. He's not that great and then the lebron taught him when he needs to do and like players strengths. And you know having rich. Paul agent makes things difficult for teams but helps scotus player and I wouldn't be surprised if he does leave. But i would like to have him back. I I know for a fact. Both la teams and that if are interested in him and if things go sideways in toronto at the baka they're going to approach trista develop maybe signing him to a cheaper contract because trillions willing to play on a cheaper deal from what i've heard as long as he's playing for a championship if you had either l. a. t. Toronto those are pretty good paths to make it to the nba finals. Yeah no definitely like. I'm i'm a little bit murky on throw. I have no idea. I'm sure that they're going to do some good stuff. This offseason but the odd spot like they're not like they're in a bad spot but they're like kind of a weird spot Their timelines are Everything that can happen with vanfleet eaten. Obviously back baca. We don't know if marcus hall is going to play overseas now like that. Never got confirms remember. Powell came out was like no. He's not doing that but then marx never said anything about it. So it's like. I have no idea it's weird Definitely did take a step back though. So i wouldn't be super shocked but Yeah a sort of reminds me. Remember when nicole miratec was like the price free agent he was like last dwayne dead men but in twenty nineteen like everybody was like. Oh we have to sign nicole mirta. She had like seven suitors than he's like. Oh my wife wants me to play in barcelona so good bikes remember. He went to. Milwaukee was a massive dumpster. Fire awful I thought i'm like okay. That's a really good side. Yeah yeah. I'm like that's going to push them over the edge and he was like you said an absolute fire which which is a shame. I like marriages game. But hey if he's happier playing. Spain more power to him. I guess and the same goes for. You've solved brothers. they wanna go plans bay either. I understand it's beautiful of terrorists. I would not complain about playing in spain. Either when i live in toledo most of the year so yeah so i think one of the last guys. I wanna talk about Kevin junior. I think there's a hunt alike about their Before i kind of getting today thing what are what are your thoughts on having in how we kind of progress in his rookie year And what you've seen from him in where you're at on on his potential full disclosure. I hated this pick. When it first happened I really drank the koolade of what draft twitter. Some draft twitter folks were saying when they said. Oh yeah one of my big paris's to him as nick young and that's a red flag for me like an immediate red flag and After getting to know kevin through him personally his family is heavily involved his life and even though his dad's he carries the burden of his dad no longer being with him so he feels responsibility in that regard. But like speaking to the coaches lindsey. Golly even kevin have super special relationship in more or less cleveland when they drafted him they viewed him as a top five top ten talent. They've been scouting him in washington closely from one. He was a senior high school to when they drafted him and they still continue to do so. And they think he has the most potential at all cleveland's first round picks but they believe they have to build a structure environment to set him up where he cannot fail and done that where During the pandemic he was laying low in cleveland. Like he didn't go back to seattle. Travel really will wasn't a thing back of his pandemic restarted and he stays downtown. He lives downtown and so the cavs would every day. Bring him up all his meals from the chef prepared for make sure he's eating right. Make sure he's working out like they just stayed on top of him during the pandemic to make sure he wasn't gonna fall off the path or anything was gonna go wrong for him and It's really fascinating. Because when cleveland drafted him in executive shared with me and a few others that he has the ability to be a meaningful contributor right off the bench immediately for us but because of the emotional concerns that just because of how deep the in his position. Because mind you like. I said they view during the winter as like a rotational piece of him so he could very well to either ride the bench play spot minutes or he'll spend most of his time with can't charge the g. league affiliated just re developed down there which god have mercy on those kids adults said. He can't if that's the case but dylan winners injury. Injury was certainly disappointing I would like to see this cavs. Young squad Have better picture of who is really going to be like a heap Going forward but also like i said a blessing in disguise in the fact that it enabled importer to be forced to play by john bay line and he's had some spotty moments. There's moments really like. Okay he's a rookie squarely ron growing. But then there's other moments shake okay. No this is the real deal. Do i think he's an ex. Jimmy butler no. I think that's just an unfair comparison. Yes hyperbole from cavs fans. But i kept importers really really good. I think kobe put another feather in his cap with shetty osmond with jedi being seventh eighth man long-term with where they got in the second round like scudding him and following him so closely like. That's a win alan. Sexton eighth overall. That's a win. And they'll come. Imported with the thirtieth overall pick which usually isn't territory for player that you have such high ambitions and hopes for that's also a wet and No i'm really happy with the results of it. And i'm gladly eating crow on being wrong. Yeah no i i. I'm really excited to see him in upcoming year. And how things work out for a minute. It'll be good for him to actually get to play the to like. I think that was. It was good that he got the moments he did play in the three this year. But also like like you mentioned with a win being out. I think that was the obviously a massive wrench in the cavs season I'm so excited to play. I mean i remember watching the belmont house like Has surprising pop like really good vertical athlete. Not like gonna just obliterate you laterally or with the speed or anything. But i mean you can handle. We can shoot. You can probably be a pretty good defender. Like i don't think he's going to be elite or anything. But i don't know i think it's going to be a really good rotation player. I think i think it'll be a really good rotation player i shows. I interviewed him. Actually when he first down in cleveland his rookie and This is rep before we found out that he was gonna have in the he's got lake surgery. It's a shame that john belan broke him during summer league that's malpractice on his part but either way Winless shared with me. He's like it's such an interesting take because a lot of players they like on me. I'm on anybody else. Who do you think your game reminds tell fit like deepal reading or listening what who who's game do should they be paying attention to you to get an idea of what you bs i think. Joe ingles i'm like really small to play the four but you have a site like he has the high forty eight for it but no like you said i think he could be a solid rotational piece where he provides shooting he can play smart positional defense. Those rebounding numbers at belmont are something to pay attention to that will translate to the level He's shown competency as a playmaker and he can play the three predominantly. You can play the to. Maybe he can play a bit of a small ball for every now and then if The cavs are feeling a little bold about it. But now i think when going to be a lot of fun it does him having a stress reaction his leg does give me pause and that makes me worry about his own viability long term. But i'm not gonna try and annoyed him the next jackson before i can get the watch him and i mean he looked really good in the summer league. He looked really rusty in rehab for game two canton before he had a setback with his injury. But he's fully healthy now from everything i heard and i hope he looks really solid over all on. I'm just excited to see kind of this baby. Calf squad is really start to put together where the collection of parts will start to make sense. And i think we're gonna fly said early on like the cavs are struggling to find an identity. They're gonna finally hopefully have an idea that identity going forward hopefully suit. Yeah yeah well now. We can talk about obese open and how we would completely shatter that identity Now that's a little bit unfair but not entirely but yeah i mean what what are you see and what would you want to caps. Do with pick. Because i will personally agree one of my one of my buddies. Who's not as you know with the league. And i'm not the biggest draft guy like i know what to look for in in i'm looking. Obviously i mean. I mean some of the guys on draft where i'm talking with for reposited week have spent more time focusing on the draft. I've spent listening to ninety six hop which is like most of my life so like but with token lake Hips kill me man like i. That's not something that you can fix or teach like So i don't. I just don't see how he's ever going to be a positive defender. And that's especially depending on how long kevin love is still going to be there. I don't know we didn't even talk about. Kevin shit like i mean the idea of him and kevin love starting in front court with darius garland colin sex in the backward gives me nightmares. That sounds like the cavs had the second worst defensive ratings since like nineteen ninety or something like that like two years ago and that defense would be worse than that defense like that. That's that's what i picture right now. Now they'd be really bad of lovie in. I guess i quietly kinda come around on the idea of him. I'm not entirely sold on it. But i understand. There's a lot of uncertainties issues draft because of the pandemic where you have to take a lot of precautions and everything else where you may take the safest commodity in you. Look at lovie like his repertoires. Instant offense like he's a solid enough three point shooter. He's explosive as an athlete. I his hips are concerning defensively. You know long term health and just bodies wellbeing but maybe the cavs like okay we take. Kyle coup smell like prospect. I know some people compared him to kenyon martin and amari stoudamire and i rule my is really hard. I see that those aren't realistic. Embarrassment kenyon martin was healthy. I remember going back and not to cut you off but going people bitch about the nets teams that went to the finals. First of all those are some of the dope pictures of all time like the gray new jersey. I love those But that's him was good and was because of kenyon martin. They had the number one rated defense two years in a row. I mean when he was healthy he was like a top ten defender using sanely. Good like that is over at all no not at all. It's just yeah. No i'm not like i said jay bickerstaff and lindsay gottlieb in the coaching staff. And i assume the front office as well because they are on the same page on a lot of things are prioritizing defense obese. Your guy More so when. I look at like the isaac a core of the world if you're looking at at least or even devon vessel who. Apparently his camp said that he was just messing around in his shot. Actually isn't broken. So if that's the case by all means the cash considered depth solid five Those those two. If you look at just wing players denny obviously is a player. The calves really like period night. Know that if he were available at five. I think that's who they take. Barring james wiseman not being available who they also really like On the echo wu has really snuck into conversations. Just after watching bam adebayo. And that's the layman's comparison for uncon- woo is bam adebayo heading into this draft. And i. He's not the shooter the playmaker that had a bio is now with the potentials there especially defensively to see the similarities and so the castle built in. That's you know it makes sense of thomson leaves and if they get rid of drama so you can draft in big man like wise in hong kong wu or you take defensive wing like obvio- or more so seller or a coro- in those five make more sense but token keeps a up and his head up in After a while mike okay. I think this isn't like a joke. Anymore we start taking this seriously in big lake open could be a cavalier and it wouldn't be ideal defensively and i jokingly said on my podcast i'm just to quit the show. He ex but that's not going to be the case I just don't think i'd be too happy with the selection. And i know quite a few people who wouldn't either but cass fans a little polarize on who they really want and I just but i do to like the consensus like a lot of almost like they're super casual and they just happened to catch a date and game like this. Ob tobin guys really good Like it's a bit of the jabber effect like you can bring in a lot of casual fans of open but the awkward product is going to be that and it's going to lose a lot of those casual fans just as quickly as you brought them in. Yeah no i think. That's that's a really good point Anthony bennett man. Yeah no he's not anthony bad. He's already way better than anthony bennett was like i remember going back and looking at some of his tape when he was at unlv and just like. Obviously this is like later. Shit what was. I was like fifteen when he got drafted. So i didn't even. I don't know i was like. Oh he's numbers. Were good and i remember going back and watching like a couple years ago my god. Why did this happen But yeah no. We'll find out days man like this this next i so not ready for the next forty. Five days is going to be insane. But i'm it's gonna be exciting so looking forward to it before. Get you out of here. Man what are you. What are you working on. Or what are you excited about in your life right now. You want people know about while the playstation five drops on thursday and i'm excited for spider man but It working on. At least i do lot on cast five days a week with by co host. Chris manning we've been doing a lot of draft and freidan c. coverage stuff on every episode and we are branching ranchi out and it's really grown a lot and if you guys would come check us out at appreciate if you wanna listen be monotone deadpan mico host and just kind of make his brain break every single day. Because we're still a little hypothetical. His way chris just completely falls off the rails. Sit back and smirk on zoo while he Spirals back in place but You can check that out but we run the show for this Together to return to you know that was one of the bigger cavs for the longest time. And that lebron second lebron era in pre second lebron to and it's got a fall into the wayside and labor. He brought me out as an editor with him. I just kind of told them straight up on mckenna. We're gonna try and really start pumping out content brings us back and we're getting good community engagement as well and spent a lot of fun so no. I'm really excited to have the casts back at first like i said i was super frustrated. But maybe it's a bit of stockholm syndrome resulting right away long enough for really miss. A in the bubble stuff was a good way to wet my whistle but i need the actual tangible content to watch them play and give you about five games and like all right. I wish they regard again. Yeah i i can relate to that sometimes man everytime miles. Turner takes an eighteen footer. Like god fucking dammit. Like what are we doing here. But let's that's the last five years summed up in two sentences so we're getting there. Maybe the new coaching staff will do something. But anyways evan this was a good time man. I really appreciate you coming on to everyone listening. Of course check out. Everything does locked on. Cavs is how i keep up to date with the cavs They also just did a under group discord. If i stand corrected you didn't among us so or do you call I play the game. I should know how to say it but yeah definitely go check out what they're doing because they they keep it in. They know what they're talking about. So that's important a basketball but yeah you guys listening of course have a good day in keep up with everything we're doing.

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Did Ben Affleck Leave The Batman Long Ago? - Movie Talk

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Did Ben Affleck Leave The Batman Long Ago? - Movie Talk

"The following program is brought to you by your friends at podcast one. Don't forget to download our new podcast one out. Happy Monday today, we have a new that man update straighten Benepe like himself. Also, we've got a brand new clip from Toy Story four is this an improvement on the Super Bowl spot. And then on top of that full long shot at new trailer with Seth Rogan and Charlie's therein, the make quite the pair. I know a certain someone on this desk has a lot of feelings about that one. We're going to get into it. Use these two guys we got Roca and Dennis. Thank you guys so much for joining us on this day that really the offices closed, but we're here working. No. That's a big lie. We have pre-tape soda. So if and when maybe the academy announces that they're going to back pedal on the announcement to air four categories during the commercial, we find out they're not doing it anymore. Don't worry. The only reason we're not covering it up on this show is because this show is being taped on Friday. But we wanted to bring you some movie news on Monday. So here we are. We've got a lot to go through today. And we're going to kick it off with that Batman update for you. So basically after all of the rumors of Ben Affleck stepping away from the role. We recently got the confirmation that. Yes, it is indeed true. Matt Reeves movies are going to be with a younger Batman. And now finally we have been Aflac himself chiming in on this. He appeared on Jimmy Kimmel live and said, you know, I tried to direct version of it. And. Worked with a really good screenwriter. But just kind of couldn't come up with virgin, couldn't crack it. So I thought it was time to let someone else take a shot at it. And they got some really good people. So of course, he's stepped away from directing Matt Reeves stepped in. And now we know that Matt Reeves has to be looking out and about right now to cast a new Batman. So let's just jump right into this Roco. What do you make of the whole way that we found out about this exit? Well, this has been a long time coming, and I you know, I said months ago that they were gonna find some way to do this in a way that was PR based in a way that was everybody saved face. Everybody was able to move on. I thought it was a bit clumsy though, at the end here a few days ago, when it was very clear from that Reeves nobody else that Ben was going to be moved out of being Batman so him going on Jimmy Kimmel making fun of it. Retiring the cowl. But then also being honest and talking about the fact that he wanted to direct a version of this couldn't crack. Who else told us? They couldn't crack something just Wiedmer bad girl. You hear these things couldn't crack it is. Now, the new they didn't want me to do it. Anyway, kind of phrase, so it's creative differences, creative differences or dehydration. I love that one in Hollywood. But you see here this. And you're just like, okay. I'm glad we're finally done. We have an answer Ben is owned up to it. He's made fun of it. He's made light of it. So he can move on. He's there with Jimmy who you know, we were talking off camera. He's friends with Ben. And Matt they go to games together. So this was the right way for Ben to do it. I and we have an answer. Let's all move on. Let's leave Ben alone. Let them create new stuff. Remember he had a career renaissance as a director. I'm curious to see what his next film was going to be let's move on from this. And that's met raves do his Batman. And let's all move on. And the hug it out. Again. I was busy talking to Adam Chitwood from ladder dot com about this and just getting his take on the whole thing. And he had suggested that Ben Affleck was basically out long ago, which I do believe. As well. I have a feeling that the second that Matt Reeves stepped in. It was basically a changing of the guard at that point. We just haven't heard about it publicly. And when you really break it down, it makes a lot of sense just from the studio and financial perspective. Because I knew you know, obviously Justice league didn't do as well as one might hoped. It would. But the fact that they held the announcement away from that, I think gave it, you know, more potential than it would have had had the announcement broke before that movie's release and then going into aqua men that is a huge smash hit. But did anyone really know that it was going to be that big a? Yeah, we all thought it was gonna make a lot of money, but not as big as it actually went. So I think it was really smart move on wonder brothers part to kind of keep this under wraps and reveal the information now, especially because the tone in the air to me at least feels like all right? We've been talking about this a while. It's a long time coming. I'm ready to move on. And meet my new Batman. Do you feel that way? Dennis. Yeah. Definitely, especially. You mentioned a good point about the Auckland stuff is like imaginative Augmon didn't do. Well. And they're still sitting on this news. It's like, oh my God. Now, they have they've bought some goodwill with the fans, and and just the fact that it's successful, and they have the money. So it just feels. So this feels less of like if it had come out after let's say Auckland and do well then like, oh my God. It's the sky is falling and whatnot. And I think we, you know, obviously, we've been talking about this for a long time. But I was on an episode of moving talk. I think it was with with Riley and Ellis a few weeks ago. And we I think I speculated like maybe he's still there. And he does like a little cameo is a flashback. But this this basically says no that's not going to happen. I think it's better off if everyone kind of does a clean break, I was really hoping he would get his own movie from the very beginning. And I'm a little sad about that. But at this point, I think we kind of, you know, need to cut the cord so to speak and just move on. Let whoever is filling this role really really get the opportunity to make it his own. So upset though just because like you said he never had his own move. It is unfortunate it, that's that's a little unfortunate. And so is the fact that we don't have a man of steel to announcement. But that's for another day. I have to ask you a mean question Roca got the heads up on this one. My mean, would you rather question is would you rather see the original Ben Affleck starring and directed Batman movie? Or would you rather see Matt reads as young Batman movie with a new actor in the role? If you have the choice, that's tough because both are good directors. Curiosity wants me to see that Ben Affleck written directed and starring one like I said, it was it's unfortunate because I mentioned this in this a long time ago when when they announced the Batman v superman, I like the idea of it. It's too soon. They they need to the needed to make us. Second man of steel, and they need to make a separate Batman movie. Then you make the Batman v superman, then you make the Justice league. But they were such a Russia do everything, and this is kind of a victim of that kind of planning. And now we will never see now. We'll never go. Hey, that was Ben Affleck's version of Batman because I don't think we've seen been athletes version van we saw Zack Snyder's, Ben Affleck's starring will in we saw the Justice league, whatever that Frankenstein monster version of that was and I just I don't think we've got to see the fully realized version. So I'm more curious about that. You look really stressed minutes a tough decision because I love Matt Reeves in those the last plan of the apes movies. I really enjoyed his interpretation of that franchise. And I would love to see what he would do with the young Batman. But I have to say my vote is for Ben Affleck and for for two reasons one because I really enjoyed his movies up until that they live by night one that didn't quite hit the Mark. But everything up to that was really. Well, done would have liked to seen him do that role and write it and directed with Chris Tero. And the second reason is this. I love an older Batman exploring the darker edges of his being being Batman for so many years. You know, there are allusions to it in BBS when you had a death in the family, the joker stuff, you saw those allusions to it in the film. So you knew they were trying to explore the darker edges of this Batman, so an older Batman I've seen a young Batman. I've seen young origin story all over the place with Michael Keaton with Christian bale, I've seen it all I want to see a darker older Batman and how he would have handled his world like that. And I think Aflac would have been the one to do it and just that scene alone. We're Aflac has the fight scene. In the warehouse in BBS. Let's, you know, a small sample of what you would have gotten an overall film, and that's enough of a trailer to get me excited to see that burgeon. I have a lot of faith in Matt read. So I am very excited about the movie. But if I had to choose the thing that I'll point out is if I'm choosing between these two options, I would only pick. The Ben Affleck version if. The Ben Affleck directed version as well. Because of what you just said Dennis we've never really seen his version, and you could have a wonderful collaboration with a different director. He doesn't have to have. He doesn't have to be the director on the movie, I know that, but the idea of taking that character and making it completely his own to that extent is just so exciting to me. And now it's disappointing that it's not happening. But Matt Reeves is an incredible talent. And I'm thinking that once we get the casting announcement regarding who's going to fill these shoes. Now, maybe starting to picture a little more is going to help get over this little. But this is where we are right now, we have our clean break. It's time to move on keep our fingers crossed that everything progresses in a positive way from here on capitol. You optimistic you. Always keep no controversy whatsoever. When someone gets cast gavel is next. You see that when we put posted that one video about like five actors that we all my? Oh my gosh. Just when the fans, and then we didn't even put the one that was now more recently rumored the rubber patents in ROY. We didn't put that one on their imagine. If we had put that on there. I think I got breaking news. Oh, guess guess what just broke? I said it was going to break, and it did guess what's happening at the Academy Award. What they're gonna show that you'll be able to figure out exactly when we're taping this episode. We'll be talk because it just broke via variety all Oscar categories to air live after Hollywood protests. Okay. What this guy should be fired right now. The guy in charge of the Academy Awards be fired right now the popular film category this decision like stop messing with what we enjoy. And all this ratings talk needs to go the hell away, man. Just one night show the Oscars. Let's all love film. Let us do it. And let's move on. At don't why this is such a big deal to read a little bit about what they're actually reporting here following a Thursday night meeting with top cinematographers academy leadership, including president John Bailey and CEO Don Hotson, don't Don. Hudson have pledged air every awards category on the live show a week from Sunday. The decision comes after backlash from irate, filmmakers and crafts. People who've responded to the academy's decision to relegate four awards categories to commercial breaks. So actually, we spoke about this on movie talk the other day, and I really want to get your take on it, given this update here, can we is there any solution here where we can have the best of both worlds where we can honor. What the Oscar stand for? Mean, but also improve ratings on the telecast or does one have to take priority. Okay. It's tough. Because to me this the Oscars are a place for people to come and enjoy film and be reminded about why they fell in love with film. I don't know when this ratings issue started to happen. So you ask yourself Perry. What you said can we find the best of both worlds? I don't know if that's possible. I think it all depends on when you find the right host that brings people in here and gets them excited to see the Oscars again like Billy, crystal did even to a lesser extent. Ellen Degeneres did when she hosted I enjoyed her hosting stint on the show. So I think it will depend on the host not necessarily the movies. I think it'll depend on the host. So when you find the right host that mixes with this. Then maybe Perry we can get all the categories and and bring the ratings in. But it will say one thing. Hey, John Bailey with that statement you released saying, oh, I did this with the with the support of the guilds. What? Now what? Now when the guilds came forward and said, no and came back at you and made you. I mean, you've got a deliberate. Incredible mea culpa here pledging at tennis. I'm broke. I don't I don't think it's the host. I think it is the movies. I think it's the type of movies that you're nominating. And you're bringing in. So that people feel like they almost are like a sports team. Right. You do a lot of clutter sports stuff. Yes. Route and four they're moving in their thing. And then so when you have let's say, and this has been a pattern, you know, in the past where it's like a bunch of small movies. We joke about how like all nine or ten nominee best picture nominees. Couldn't even equal one blockbuster movie. You know in terms of box office sales, you need people to be interested. And I'm not saying we go with that stupid popular toughest movie. What I think they're doing right is diversifying the academy, especially with younger people and them getting there and just broadening the horizons and the John RAs that we can nominate instead of just the same type of kind of indie dry. I love indie dramas don't get me wrong. But they don't all. Nine of them ten of them to be Indy. Dramas that are maybe at most slightly committed. Can't we just nominate like a straight up comedy? Can we nominate that's a great west repair? Here you see. But I feel like we're not going to know if the change in the kademi and the more diverse academy group, we have now will ever change that because they've had so many other changes crazy changes happening around it. But I think that gets at the core of it. And I know people are going to link you to optimise it's to delist value their Oscars too much. I know the whole speech, but I really do believe that if the priority is on what the Oscars mean and celebrating that and what just the film community and telling different stories means to the entire body that boats on the Academy Awards, I feel like if that is where the importance is placed over broadcast ratings will wind up seeing them balancing out if we have an entire community being super enthusiast. About the films that are nominated and in particular, if we have the the academy naturally evolving, we're going to get more movies in the future like black pant. I mean, we've seen it in the past couple of years in terms of just the award season noise that let's say deadpool made Logan made with get out getting nominated now this year Black Panther becoming the first superhero movie to get a best picture nomination. We're seeing signs of this change that could go right into what you were saying about the different kinds of movies. We could see naturally earning nominations all on their own without a popular film category. So I feel like if they stop messing with the actual ceremony in order to manufacture good ratings. They might actually naturally get them on their own while upholding the value of the Oscar statue, that's very well said, I think Phil I think Bill Gore's have to take a bit of responsibility here too. Because they are there are certain types of movies. That fit their tastes. And those of the movies at the studios are putting out those the movies that are making money and doing what they're doing. So the independent dramas are being reviewed by critics like Perry and Scott Manson Schneider on the up. Why see, but the PO PO more popular, where's our godfathers? Where's are the old old films that were popular and also artistically well done where are those films nowadays? It's really tough to find. Now when you slide out of independent, right when you slide the independent drama, they're tough to find. When you look at the popular box office hits the artistic merits of them aren't as valuable overall as you see in the independent film. Jobless. Oh boy. Oh boy. This conversation is going to keep taking. You know, and then people who were talking talking about. Okay before right now, they're saying they're going to air all of them. Right. The ones the or. You know, there was talk about, hey, why don't they just cut the kind of the shorts? Like, the live action shore the documentary short and the other animated Schwartz and put those in those look, I mean, I it's fantastically had those. But those a little harder for the audience to get into because there's no access for people are not going to theater when these short live action films. They're just not available for people. Well, there's that. Well, they are there in theaters now, I don't know how wide it goes. But you can actually buy a ticket to all the short films and see them at the editor's right now. And I highly recommend it. I finally watched all the live action ones. And they're all five of them are great. But with the shorts thing, I think that was the only way for the academy to get away with taking certain categories ever live broadcasts because you can't just pluck out one short category, cinematography editing makeup and hairstyling, but you can say the broadcast is for feature films and this other. Other. Maybe let's say a live streaming ceremony is for short films. I don't think they would have had the same uproar. If that was the descendant, no absolute. Yeah. You're talking about the fundamentals of filmmaking like what makes something a movie, shoot, scimitar, graffiti, and editing. There's like, you know. How how can you have those movies without exactly before we move onto one of our next big topics? We do need to touch on something that broke Friday morning, which was the announcement that Star Wars Episode nine has wrapped filming we got a really nice photo. I don't know if it's more you, but there's a photo of the cast. And really there's nothing to dig it. I heard about this is nothing to really dig into. I mean, oh like he's not facing the camera. Does that mean, she's not gonna make it a we're not gonna theorize any of that? But the one question leaning off leaning on this story that I do want to pose to you guys is the fact that filming principal photography. Of course. There's still room in the schedule for re-shoots because it's just the thing that happens. Principal photography is wrapped does that change your predictions at all regarding when we're gonna get an F nine title and also a trailer. No other they'll happening in celebration. And it's all being this is all methodically. How they're doing it to take control of everything around episode nine because of how less should I was received. I think they're very ultra micro controlling this whole thing to the end. So yeah celebration is when it's going to drop there's a lot interpret in that picture. There's a lot like Kylo does he die? All the hugging out is. I mean, the first order is finally gone. There's a lot we can do. No, there's nothing to get from a nice. It's nice though to see the three principles. It did bring in like a little motion outta me. See that in them hugging on the journey. They've been on and what they've had to endure separately from the fans on their social media and on the other side of things getting a lot of love from people for doing these roles. So I'm sure that hug had a lot of meaning too. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can't speculate much from the picture, but it's just nice to know Kate. It's done. They're not going to be able to change too much in the direction of whatever they're going. I mean because remember they have to kind of answer the Princess slow general Leia question all these different things. I think they probably had a lot of pressure on this movie more. So just because of some of the fan backlash with the last yet, I also solo not performing as well as they had hoped. And so it's almost like not like the is going to die. But what I'm saying is there's a lot more pressure on this film than they probably had thought when they first started shooting more. So awakens right force awakens, like Star Wars back. Okay. Cool. You know, it's a whole new story. And now, they're just, you know, getting a lot of a lot more. Of people in their years. Yeah. I'm putting my money right now on celebration the big announcement. And then they take that trailer and they attach to a certain movie called endgame. And then what happens after that? Our next story is yet another Disney story and also get ready for a Roka rant on predicting that right now, we got a brand new Toy Story four clip it aired on good Morning, America. And it focuses on Bo peop-, of course, voiced by any pots, and she leads a rescue mission for straight toy that stuck in the rain, and this movie is due out, June twenty-first, so very early for us to be getting a clip right now. Dennis I'm gonna let Roca products this. How has the Toy Story for marketing campaign than doing in your in your eyes? So far the problem. I'm having maybe it's just me. I think the Toy Story movies are fantastic. Every time I watch them. I enjoy them. I've hard time remembering what happens in them. So you watch this clip. I'm like is this something that happen in the third one or the second one like I don't remember all the characters that are in there. Yeah. I know buzz realize this was a flashback like, no, I just it said flash. By like is this something that we saw before? So I is this literally with the little peep. I'm like, okay. Yeah. That's a character. That's in there. Right. Like, my memory of these are just not that great. Even though I enjoy the film. So it's one of those things where we with the marketing, right? Let's say this clip or or or the the Super Bowl thing. It's like you're watching you're like, okay. Like, how different is this from what we've? Already gotten right or we just getting the same stuff. I know Toy Story is a beloved franchise and people watch it regardless, but it some points. Like is what's new that? We're gonna see, but your perspective is really interesting to bring up because now I'm starting to think did they ever even kind of tea up that clip during the good Morning, America presentation and explain any kind of background with what's happening just said, it was a new clip from moving because then I would believe I would think that the only way someone could figure out it's a flashback is if they look in the room, and I believe what what's what's any sisters name, Molly that that's how I knew that it was a flashback because there's just signed behind them. That's his molly's room. Although it was a flashback because she was in her old beau peep alpha versus the new beau peep outfit. They have her in. I did not process. So so grow cause the opposite of me where like I remember, I can't remember seeing the movie you're like, you're like, okay that little detail of her gosh, it's still winning records, the problem with picking this particular clip that none of us quite are coming at it from the same angle and those look, and look I don't know if I'm gonna go on this one. I'll say for later for the one I really want to go on. But like this. Here's the none of the marketing. Another clips have got me excited about it. The animation style is so different from what we saw in the first three films. I don't know if you notice that at all, but like it, but it bothers me it doesn't feel like it's in the same universe. Even though. I know it is also why do we have to take the shots like Woody is there, and he goes, oh, the names of sheep. Oh, I didn't know the names. You didn't ask? Yes. We get it. He didn't pay attention. And he's a male didn't in attention. Like, we don't have to do that with Woody for for. Fritzy, like, what it just didn't know. Just didn't just didn't know. That's it. Why does it have to be a statement? Like, I get we're making beau peep more of a stronger character to play out a female empowerment and all that I get it. But we don't have to step on woody's neck for what he's symbolizes a really beautiful thing for a lot of people. And a lot of kids growing up. Don't make him seem like some, you know, some male misogynist or ignorant mail. Like, I just didn't like that crack in that other than. That I thought that the mission style of this. I just didn't like you know, what I'm saying. You don't need to take shots at Woody. What he's a cool kid. I guess, but if they are putting beau peep front and center, and I'm just made me expensive ring. I'm saying this based on one particular clip with one mention of that if we do see the full feature, and it's something that we're constantly being reminded of over and over to the point that it it makes you feel uncomfortable and and disrespectful to it. He may be that is then when we have that kind of conversation, but I thought it played into the scene pretty well, especially because it reminded me a lot of the missions. They go on in the original Toy Story and just this sought of going back in time. Let's say and realizing that book peop- was capable of so much more than we ever realized how well she works together with all them. I don't know that line in particular, and really everything she does in the scene. It did feel like it fit to me. It's just a matter of I have yet to see anything from Toy Story. Four to at least start to convince me that we needed another chapter and. Gruber. I don't even think I quite know. Like, what the story Hoke is at this point, which which I would letter that the carnival or something the only thing I trying to say buzz from the carnival as on there. But I take your point. Absolutely. If it becomes like, dude, then. Yes, you get the point. But my concern is that it's there's no making Bo p front and center, you can do that without making it making it at the expense of everybody else in the Toy Story world because they weren't writing. The there weren't the were in writing the words the writers were don't have two characters. That's what concerns don't you only denigrate the characters to put someone else from Ford, the only way you can express that in a movie is by characters realizing that they weren't paying attention to something before I know, I guess, I guess there's literally no other way to really address it in less there, Mark. We're seeing them process it themselves. So yeah, that's that's where we stand story for it. That's point. Before we move on to our next story. I need to remind you guys we have so much planned on Oscar night. Oh roka. You're not going to be hearing forgetting that we will be thinking about you. But we're going to have a great time. Here we have a whole bunch of programming starting with an F Y C pre show. So it'll be made. It'll be Scott man's, and Jeff Snyder we will give you our last minute predictions than we will roll right into our livestream where you can watch the entire ceremony with us. And now, thankfully, we can actually stop during commercial breaks and tell you about all the categories they gave out there awards because things have changed clearly. And then after that after the entire ceremony we're going to recap the whole thing. Also with the F Y C panel give you our thoughts on the ceremony overall and also who took home Oscar statues are right time for story number three. And this is what I'm excited to talk about Mark Webb signed on to direct a re imagined version of the animated movie your name for paramount. And bad robot? Eric Heiser is writing the screenplay which will now follow a young native American woman living in a rural area and a young man. From Chicago who discovered they're magically an intermittently, I can't say that word intermittently swapping bodies. So dennis. We're always talking about whether or not we should Americanize any kind of foreign film out there, and I'm a little torn on this one. Because I love the original. I want to I want to push more people to go into Scarver that but at the same time, I kind of see why they're doing this. And I see the value in using this story format to explore other cultures. So how how do you feel about this? I don't think I have an issue with this one. I mean, obviously, it's always a delicate tightrope the to do this one seems more like it's an adaptation, they're taking something and they're adapting it for the American audiences versus something like where ghost in the shell. It's like, well, it's still the exact same story the same characters the same everything, but they're just going to change the necessity of the main character, you know, what I mean? So this seems more like, okay, we're we're we're we're taking the inspiration from this. So I don't see I don't have an issue. That I haven't seen your name yet. I definitely want to see it. No, no. I saw I saw a couple of good anime on on Netflix in this corner of the world, which I definitely recommend flavors of youth, which which is pretty good. But yeah, I don't think your name is available on any streaming service, or at least any streaming service that I subscribe to and I subscribe to quite a bit. So I can't remember where or you see how I watched it. But but I did see it. And I think it's excellent. And part of me is hoping that this news at leaves drives people to discover the original film. But given what happens in that story? I think just that idea of two people being connected in that way. And just exploring who they are. And it's also it's got a coming of age by to it. I think that could be a really great way to not just have one reimagined version, but this one does well, then we can have even more exploring all different, you know, racism. Cultures. You name it. I mean, it's such an easy way to explore the idea of oh learn about someone who is different for MIR. So that's part of the reason why I'm so drawn to this. And also because I like Mark Webb as a filmmaker so Roka, what do you think about web in particular, directing this? It's interesting, you know, our last visit with Mark web last couple of visits with Mark Webb was a small independent film gifted with Chris pine and Jenny slate, and then also amazing spider man two which wasn't so well received. I liked the first amazing spider man, but five hundred days of summer is calling card for me in my mind. I really love that film. It's one of those still come back to and enjoy thoroughly his direction, and he also interestingly jumps time in that movie. So I know this isn't a jump time movie, but his jumped bodies movie, so there's something here to play with this interesting. The log line you here for this remake a native American woman is living in a rural area versus a key a guy in Chicago how they switch bodies. I'm imagining. Opens the door to some understanding not just of what it's like to switch bodies gender. But also, switch bodies culture native American versus what I imagine is white American what that culture swap is like as well. So look Mark web is adept director. I'm sure they'll be somewhat of a romantic angle with this possibly played into as I said in five hundred as somebody doesn't nice job. But that certainly Spiderman movies with Emma stone and Andrew Garfield as well. So I have a lot of faith the Mark web. Let's see what he does with this. And it's difficult to adapt. An animate into a live action film and make that swap. So we'll see what he can death note really hit by this like you hope get slipping completely different story. And it's like, it's obviously anime transferred supernatural quality in a way that like, you know, like it manifests in something that's completely out of this world. And I know this has supernatural element with the body. Swap part. But I mean, other than the fact that you have someone waking up in someone else's body. I feel like that's that's still a very natural easy thing to be able to portray in live action. In for the gender swapping element of it is very very funny in the original. So I hope they hope they get a little bold with that and play with it again because I got a kick out of it. All right. We got one more to hit today. I already see you lighten up over there. What me this one is a new trailer for a Lionsgate movie called a long shot, and it is from director Jonathan Levin. And it follows the unlikely romance between a hard hitting political writer played by Seth Rogan reunites with his first crush who. Also happens to be the current US secretary of state played by Charlie's there in this one opens may third. All right, go for it. I don't I don't have a pitch question for you or anything just go. I was his trailer. And I was like upset this morning. I almost tweeted about it afterwards. Because look I get it Seth Rogan chilies throwing it should work. But that I joke. Oh, you're secretary of what states usually w don't know this what the hell are you talking about? And then you go forward and kill. We kill Ken. We. Once and for all in two thousand nine hundred kill this male fantasy of the slob Inle writer, dude, getting the hot beautiful accomplished attractive. Intelligent woman like Shirley's thrown Dickey's and nothing about Seth Rogan's face says hard hitting at all as a political writer. He's wearing clothes from the nineties for God's sakes. Luminescent hats and Riddick and then what woman who is a career professional politics as a secretary of state is gonna go off again drunk and buck wild on video and get custody can ruin her chances to be president for God's just all of this is stupid as hell I know that a woman and a male writer wrote this. But to me this looks like dumb comedy on so many levels that we've seen a million times. Nothing new here. Nothing new wants here. And I really was hoping for something better from Shirley. So I'd love to pieces and Seth while of separately to pieces as well with a lot of his work. So overall, I just thought this trailer had all the wrong notes for dozen nineteen. I think I had. As extreme. That made me laugh out loud, though, was the bit with any those the fun. That was fun. It was funny. Yeah. I did feel the same way as you regarding the political nature of it and her job as secretary of state. And I know when you watch a movie sometimes you gotta throw like the truth of the matter out the window and just go along for the ride, but I guess given our current political climate all I kept thinking about where was all the repercussions from her baby. Day. But I think I would have been an easier sell with all that stuff had more of the trailer been funny, and, you know, other than that one moment, I think I was kind of I was fine. You know, I wasn't hating on it. But it was it wasn't really cracking me up. Dennis. Where do you fall on this for me? Like, I agree with with Roko. So I agree. The. The the part where you have the, you know, the kind of sloppy. Yeah. Not as attractive male always getting the most beautiful most accomplished girl that thing. I the trailer wise I feel like is is wasn't that great other than The Danny devito joke. But my only hope is one do we know is this rate at Arna. I would I would imagine maybe assume sound, okay. So there's two things if it is rated R, then I'm like, okay. Maybe there's a lot better jokes there being hidden away. Because it's rated R. Sure. And then to its Jonathan Levin who did fifty fifty and the night before which I like those movies before it's great. Yeah. So I like both of those movies and the lot. So I'm just hoping that. Okay. Maybe there's something more to this than what we're seeing in in this trip before the Lizzy Caplan release, but Joseph Gordon, Levitt fantastic spoil too much about it. But she doesn't let herself get put in the situation by him simply because he's got some fancy to live out. She gets called. She calls him out. On it. You don't see any of that in this in this trailer. And that's what frustrates me overall. She doesn't remember this guy that she dated back then and all the let's all of it just puts all the onus on Chile's thrown. I was just frustrated by because I want to see better comedy that it doesn't hit the same notes over and over cliches and tropes that we've seen. Wow. Yeah. No good for you is all out interest mad about something better. Better. If we're changing, let's change. If we're changing change knows. We were definitely gonna get another trailer before release them navy. That will pleasantly surprise you. We shall say. That's it. Those are all of our new stories for today. But we still are going to take some Twitter questions that we had banged. So stay tuned for that first we got to recap everything that you're going to get to see on collider when we were back in studio on Tuesday. And of course, that starting with collider live live at ten AM PT. We also have a live edition of four year consideration coming your way as well. And we are down to the wire. Now, we are making our final prediction. So if you need any tips for those Oscar polls, go tune into white saying whales have clutter sports time. And I think you have some super cool plan, right? For monday. We did drop if you if you're watching this today, we have a we had a new clutter sports time drop earlier today talk some of the weekends stories, and we had Jay Washington on as our guests with me Matt knows. But our biggest news is that we had Lennox Lewis in-studio dropped the interview with him on Friday, former undisputed world champion of of heavyweight division. Former three-time champion talked about all kinds of stuff fight Mike Tyson how he would fight. Roger Floyd Mayweather, rather one handed and what it was like for him in the ring and the respect he's looking for now post a post his fight career in the analysts game. So a lot of great stuff really jovial guy. Forty-five minutes, fun talk. And if you haven't seen the VR thing we had him fight the creed VR as well on the collateral on a lot of fun. I like this that I've had that. And then of course, tomorrow, we also have a brand new episode of clad and movie talk for you live at four PM. So tune in for that. Now, we've got some Twitter questions. I've. Got three of them here. And the first one is from Sebastian seven, oh, seven oh seven, and he wants to know would it be smart, but captain marvel in the vendors endgame trailer before her solo movie comes out to get people to her movie. No. What was that quick captain marvel Bashan is suggesting that we see another endgame trailer with captain marvel. Oh, no, no. I I wanna see the captain marvel movie is despite Kevin foggy and the rest of the marvel team saying, oh, we're not doing origin stories anymore. This is is an origin story you need to introduce characters. People are not familiar with. It's not spider man or Batman or superman. So anyways, most of that movie is going to be that they're going to have some slight connection at the very end. Whether it's a very good movie or the post credit scene to avengers endgame. But I don't wanna see her come back until I watched that movie. But I'm sitting there, and it's on the big screen, and she appears because then if the captain marvel movie is good, then people wouldn't be so hyped when she pops on. I wanna see that pop when she when it's during the movie versus CNN trailer. I think it's gonna ruin it like how how does she get there or how how do they meet who? Did she meet with? I don't wanna. See anything about her in the marketing. So no was obviously my knee jerk reaction to this to her movie is coming. I we need to see her story before we can see her future. But then I started a think about it. And we we know she's involved in some capacity anyway, because of the beeper so I don't think that we should see a trailer where she is actually taking part in anything. But I don't think could hurt to allude to her involvement. You know what I mean? Yeah. But the move is to make the money. We don't need it for then game. And captain marvel is going to be just fine. It's already one hundred one sixty the numbers are dancing with. It's going to be fun. It does not need to be tied to end game. You know, why? Because everybody who knows about endgame noses. She's attached to end gambling already. Attach with Infinity ward that was the best commercial you could make after marvel that was the best trailer they head you don't need anything else after probably here. And after the movie comes out, I'm sorry after the movie comes out at her to all the trailers you want for endgame. Well, that's probably the way to do it actually to keep the momentum going because you know, however, many weeks after they deem captain marvel part of the spoiler conversation. I mean, maybe that is the time to rant. I guess I guess the window would be to close though. Because like when when would that actually lift let's say at the very beginning of April. They'll start sprinkling her in the advertising campaign for end game. I don't know. I mean people at that point are going to have to know her story to get ready for endgame. So who knows it's probably not going to happen question is from good old rocky Drago, and now he wants to know which Sony's twenty nine thousand nine franchise relaunches has more pressure to deliver against early negative buzz. Is it men in black or Charlie's angels, whose cut negative buzz free? The one of those. I don't know if Charlie's angels has any negative buzz. But given the fact that we've seen some stuff from from men in black. I don't necessarily know it. But I don't know if the general conversation is people foaming at the mouth for a new Minna black moving over. We were before. I mean, I know I wasn't. But I did enjoy that trailers could actually did its job to me where it's like, okay. At least I can see something new and different in this. Because I wasn't. I didn't want to see a sequel. I didn't really care. I enjoyed the first movie. And then, you know, then it kind of fell off on the franchise. So it wasn't like oh, man. We need that men in bucks sequel. And now they're doing this, this international one. It's fine. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know why people are thinking about either one because truly angel hasn't had a trailer yet right know, who's who's in Charlie's angels pairing. Angels is Kristen Stewart, and I think Naomi Scott, and then Ella, Berlin Skype. You're talking about actions that aren't really in the hardcore mainstream besides Christmas, obviously. So I think people are going to give that a little more patience to see what they come up with their. It's a new approach to it. And it's been awhile since drew Barrymore and a camera Di as Lucy Liu so. Yeah, okay. Let's see what they can do. I think what we've seen already for men in black is a positive new direction to take it in with the Camry of Chris Hemsworth antenna. Thompson about Korean Thorpe coming together. Again, that's going to sell it. All right there. So your question drag which one has negative which one has more pressure. I would say maybe men in black because people want to take this in a new direction. I think there's not a lot of pressure on Charlie's angels with taking the negative out of the conversation and just going with the pressure idea. I think the pressure is definitely more so men in black just because of the nature that movie likely cost a lot more to make them. What? Charlie's angels, I think will cost, but it's. It's hard to say Charlie's angels has negative buzz. When we haven't really seen anything, which is why I thought it was kind of okay to say it about men in black just because now that I've seen the trailer. So when they first announced that it was Chris Hemsworth and Tessa Thompson my excitement went through the roof. All of a sudden, I wanted another men in black movie that I never knew I wanted. And then I can't say the trailer was terrible for me. But it didn't really want. I do think that my excitement for the movie dipped because the trailer didn't match the excitement of the cast crimen. So I think that one has has the steeper hill to climb wasn't there. Charlie's angels TV show that failed. Like, yeah. We're. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, she in them Jay member. I don't even think it made Lincoln whole full season. It was a season or something like that barely remember that at this point Adrian public. You wonder woman pilot? Yeah. No, that's sad lights type that connection. Well, Friday night lights will live on forever. I still I love that series. And I love that movie. I watch over. It's a fantastic series isn't a clear hearts and minds. Now clear. This show lose trust me you like the show. I never seen fry watch the show because the problem with that the problem with the show is I had the same way. As when I saw it was like a CW show like is this like a one of those? But it's it's actually a much more mature of like telling of like ch- teenagers and how they're like growing into adults. But not quite there yet before my colleagues ran away with their fake news. I've old I've seen a season and a half. I haven't finished yet. I stopped halfway through the second season because that store the running this the running back bothered me last year. Not two thousand eighteen two thousand seventeen. So does is right about where I stopped. But I made it that first season second season hated Riggins in that first season. So his character change. He's a jerk nam, watch it more. And you'll see that character tight. That's the second season is the little less quality. But then the Thursday and then Michael Jordan comes in in the future. Battle star. I got through that and breaking bad of only finish one season a Brigham. Oh, my I've got to make some I got a holiday weekend coming. So I've got. Plane room if the plane right to England, it ain't four seasons long. That's for sure you you pick one of these series in also gotta catch up for the new movie because remember last year news broke that David Gordon green is directing a new Friday night lights. So who knows catching us, maybe we'll get more of it soon. One more Twitter question. And then we're going to sign off for the day. This one is from little miss shortcake. And she's asking how much quieter movie talk to you prepare for and how do you ad-lib you guys love the new time? I don't know. At the same time. I prepare as much as I can for it. But I also like I don't like to over prepare. So that I can wing it and just talk because Perry and Mark Ellis. Have a great tradition of like asking these extra questions attached to these stories that make it fun for you to improv and ad-lib and speak off the cuff about answering those questions. So I enjoy doing that staying open stew prepared. But staying open for changes. I mean, I prepare mostly for the ones that I'm less familiar about the project. I don't know much about or some directors or writers. I'm not familiar with and seeing their back history and say, okay, they did this. They did that. That's usually. But if it's something like, okay, I know about this. I can talk about whatever, you know, especially the superheroes in Star Wars in that kind of stuff last week has been an interesting experiment with my show. No, it's because I got so used to just writing them for Ellison and letting him do his thing with them. And it's like I started out writing writing out the notes as I would say it as I would read it. But then I've caught myself for most of the topics just being like, oh, I remember it and just just speaking about it. So I don't know. I think it's been leaning on the ad lib way more than I ever imagined that I would I remember early on in the aim see movie talk days like people would say stuff like especially in the comes. Like, oh, I don't like this guy is character. Like the like on the poor. Had like, you know what I mean? Scripts or or something like talking point like things like okay Roca in this episode. He's going to rant about like, we give we give Rocca. No the thing. Okay. You're going to rant about this. And then pair you're gonna talk nice positive about this. And you know, what I mean like, it's it's it's actually sounds very accurate. Well, what we all do. Well, as we have our own ability to analytically think and we have these conversations off camera as well. So we just bring our conversations on camera with a little bit more research behind what we do. And so that's basically how I think how all most of us prepare for this. I'd agree with that. So I hope that gives you a little extra insight into what goes on behind the scenes, a collider movie talk. But that is a wrap on this edition of the show a huge. Thank you to all of you guys out there for joining us. Don't forget to like share the episode and tell everybody, you know, about the episode in podcast form as well on the movie talk feed Roca Dennis. Thank you so much for joining us on your day off slasher Friday. In the booth. Thank you for everything as always and to all of you out there. Enjoy the rest of your day. If you have the day off and tune in tomorrow, four pm t for a live episode of collider movie talk. Pot in Wisconsin. I'm Ed Donahue with an AP news minute, thirty states and the district of Columbia have legalized medical marijuana. Governor Tony Evers wants to add the state of Wisconsin to that list. 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"This show is brought to you by draftkings draft. Kings sportsbook is an official sports betting partner of the nfl. Download the drafting sportsbook app today. And use code. Dan for special offer when you sign up. That's code dan. Only at draftking sportsbook. This is the dan lebatardshow with. Its two spot cass Very proud of myself. Because i've gone basically a week in the half without talking about the miami hurricanes in kansas city. There was a cat conversation. We didn't talk about xs and os. Dan a game against party. Huge melt tucker's turn that thing around really quickly. We're talking about forty percent roster turnover easy for me to say. Do you believe in michigan and michigan state. Always that team is. It hasn't miami kind of become michigan state. this is in marked antonio's michigan state. It's mel tucker's michigan state. They're not going for the old press coverage they're changing things over there. They're playing the best available players and this is going to be a test for the miami hurricanes. We'll see those big hog. Molly's reacted noon heat at hardrock stadium. Mike grinds and a sky box. Mike ryan is a golden kane. Mike ryan is a booster getting ready for He he is making this a big game. The nation at large does not care about this game. These are two also ran programs according disagree this is the main national game in the twelve o'clock window. I think it's an interesting game because a out of conference always fond matchups when you have a big ten in ac school that don't usually play each other and be mel tucker like mount like mike said we're interested to see if this team is actually good or if they've just had a couple of games northwestern and i forget who they play last week but it's it's a good matchup for them and everyone's shitting on miami because they got destroyed the one time everybody saw them and then they had a night game in which appalachian state the with a program with a hit a rich history like miami. How do you have you struggled their canes slide all the way down the top twenty five despite winning and the spread is kind of exactly the same as it was against appalachian state. Oddsmakers are telling you that michigan state is the same team. Appalachian sega's but if miami wins against michigan state. You'll feel a way different feeling than you did with that victory against apple. That part was interesting about not just the drop in the rankings for miami but that basically what happened is that not even the voters understand that appalachian state is kinda good that the voters are leaping to the idea of their name is appalachian state and therefore miami struggling against them makes it looked like miami is good but when you find them between like the thing that alabama distorts and this is why mike. This is why i was telling you that we haven't seen anything quite like this for whatever. Miami's run was whatever. Usc's run was you did not have alabama playing a team like florida and a three touchdown favorite. Like there's no one close to alabama. They won't do forty four to thirteen to just about anybody on the right day. Hell last year. With travis can pits two first round picks florida played alabama closed at home. And you should celebrate it. Because alabama in every damn game is going to be favored by three touchdown alabama simply not fair. You can't glean any information unless you beat them. Moral victories against alabama are hard to come by in preparation for this game on saturday. That the canes have. I was looking through the recent history of michigan state. It's a really good football program. They made it to college football playoff. You know what happened when they did. They lost by thirty five. Plus a d- alabama and as a in in terms of revenue in terms on field success michigan state has mattered as a football program. More in that state. I think in my lifetime and that's saying something. How good michigan was in the nineties and even earlier than that michigan say has been really successful and yet appalachian state if you're people just disregard the fact that they're always on the top twenty five. They're always entire games with big programs. They are i think. Number five in terms of winning percentage since twenty fifteen and just on the surface guy in kansas edge out a victory against. It's funny where we put the standards on these things because michigan state is just another program when compared to the standard of ohio state where they reside and everyone including ohio. State is just another program compared to alabama like. That's where we are so michigan state comes in here and there the third most relevant team in that conference whether harbaugh's ruined at all and michigan or not michigan state is considered the third thing. There is it. Not no. I would say i would say. Wisconsin penn state does doing this to wisconsin. I'm always doing this. Indiana even like the indiana cincinnati. Last time i was going to say the indiana cincinnati game. I think cincinnati is going to win. But it's still an interesting game whereas five years ago. I wouldn't even watch that. We're i think we're talking about prestige. I think i think michigan state. Indiana are probably in the middle tier underneath penn. State iowa can indiana. Football has been. Joe can't alarm is a great year for three years. It'd be a decent program. They had an antoine randall. L and those are the football players can name from that program. what about michael phoenix. Outside of contemporary days they have a good team right now but i'm talking to each college football playoff. We just invented that fair. I'm talking about this season. I don't think michigan state is in the upper echelon of big ten teams. But i think they're they're rising they would be there and you're doing. The analysis of what michigan state is this year. When i think it's impossible after two games to know what anybody is. There were so bad last year but so talking about what michigan state is. I'm talking about as a as a program and wisconsin probably has a better recent resume. I just have never try. I guess i never trust either of them to win. Any kind of game watch sparty gets little brother and it's factually incorrect. Sparty just took away a head coach from colorado which is a program with history that plays a major power five conference bottom out. They doubled up his assistant coach salary. I think michigan state is in certainly in the top twenty in terms of revenue. And they have the onfield success and we always forget when they go head to head with the rivals in that conference generally perform. Well we don't think of them as this power but they kind of var. No i think people in the midwest think of them as a legitimate power. They beat michigan last year. That was one of their two wins. Are you yourself into a big game into a noon tailgate. Are you doing. Because i feel like. You're talking yourself into a big game. All right. I mean take all this information. Barrels chaumet barrels export gains. Oh oh you're sure about this tucker. I'll talk awesome awesome. Coach could cut. It is not so sure but on saturday. Many is going to be a boy. It'd be boy. Many is say know bicycle. Ben news news for the spartans. Now mike what about Cincinnati cincinnati indiana. big game. Not a big game. Got the sport we plan because if it's basketball begin i forgot steve over there with the mexa beard on one side and kenya. Martin became over there for the back cuts. But i'm looking over here. I see isaiah thomas Are we going. Another indiana hoosier. Police are we gonna do another hoosier away. Victorious depot victor oladipo. Former coach davis. Take them to a fun four. They weren't very good. Tom green body not a madman goods. Lots of brigham josie jackie for a game review. Homa across it used to be game of the century was saying right. Yeah oklahoma the big twelve Scuff rosette bomb out too long rather coach. Oklahoma spends rattler scott frost any other nominations big. I'm and i'm enjoying it as well. I think i think the local audience audiences absolutely. We're making it. More national auburn. Oh penn state. Okay got white up right. Got a what out. Autumn strolling into their new head coach. Not very popular bone knicks. Bo knicks. Tell you he's got a lot to prove. Get rid of a coach. Gus malzahn but never mind you got two programs. You got the tigers and nittany lions. Always fun when big cats go. I love your analysis army. It's a it's a. it's a jolly analysis and the impersonation is great but it is something that only goes to the coaches them boys. It's i would love to talk about penn state players but are the names on the back of their jerseys. Twenty twenty one very frustrating trial. I expect a big game at a number thirteen and it. There's like three number thirteen so there not on the field at the same time that very computing got single. Zeros over there don't even get me started on the nfl. Where number six is a mike. Linebacker like american peers lines warriors became saints panthers big game on august game. Ooh going to pose. How all right. So yeah you got you got a great To proud histories in the nfc south. Nice little rivalry. Sam darnold so sure. About sam darnold rob anderson on the outside. I hit that. The first time i saw it was called the jets and as you see k suck suck suck game not a big not a big bills. Dolphins bills has to be a big game. It's a big miami football weekend are you claiming as the zaslov impersonations. We run it dry. Dan you remember that game ruffles and set him all right. We'll take you to a time late. Ninety s was hurt. David hilbert has hurt to jimmy johnson. Turn sue craig erickson. That's right third-string. All right ralph wilson. The ad that horrible. Asha terrible awful astroturf over there. Impossible players coal outside too. I remember it was called. I can't imagine alcoa mama pothole of america. Hey the terrible place replaced sucks. Just bat was as i would like to go to a game for the editorial editorial disclaimer. You reminded t buck. Yeah terrell buckley. Perception huge way. He was your Pity buck yeah. We'll send that about that. I thought craig erickson was my boy multiple choice. That congratulations doctor comes out. Guess what twins twin boys going to steal olives as just big big movie not a big movie. Which every every friday. It's just gonna be you're gonna have a let me see okay pen and paper here. I think it would get hard for. I think it would get hard for you. But i feel like you can do. An entire podcast is limited. Fake like a game. We are not casting a wide net at all for an audience. There i'm worried about because miami's appeal. Just i still haven't heard his real voice. I just assume it just sounds pretty much really. His voice is my voice williams and cadillac. Zoo is i would like for josie to give breakdown of the michigan state game. But every time he tries he hasn't get pulled away for a sponsor at michigan state. Secondary is going to ride a stiff challenge. The hurricanes defense is defensive. Report is brought to you by you. Health sportsmen with sports. Dr lee caplin after. It's good wait a minute. If you wanna take this game do more of this. How much of this do you have in your arsenal witty. Because you're a you're a radio file and local radio and these broadcasts on these games have been the same forever might get the get your corn elder call because he was on a practice squad this week and everybody was talking about your fake sagansky but winning him you got anything more in your arsenal that is specifically local radio from a different time. The um broadcast john bailey and josie jackie. They've been doing for years and years. This is how the the most die-hard came fans this is still having. Listen because they care about the program. We don't have anything like that in south florida really. I know that people are embarrassed. By what university of miami football has become the generation that grew up on this program. Being great has basically known just a handful of voices who around the program. And it's it's almost quaint. It's almost agree. It's almost like a community like it's bizarre. P we talk about like canes nation and canes you wouldn't understand all this stuff about making the fan base bigger actually like kind of how small it feels sometimes not small in numbers but small and like we care we gather around our radios particularly with the baseball program is actually the most. This is where i think of it. Actually this is the football extension. It's actually a charming gables type of phenomenon and it's a bit hard to explain but yes i think. Mark light stadium is the original community of like five thousand people who cared super super deeply and then the football program started winning and it's still a bunch of people who will get misty nostalgic about art ki-ho the offensive line coach art ki-ho like that's like the ultimate name of like that dude's plugged into this community. Like and cane fan swore if we just got yard ki-ho in all of the offensive line issues would be fixed. I would go down to the grove. For broadcasts of hurricane hotline. A lot of people do we. Welcome in josh durham. To our broadcast boys from the sideline inside for rising line. Josh what are you seeing out there. I feel like you guys would do a great. I believe that witty. And mike no the the rhythms and cadences in the names enough that you guys could do a great bit as a fake university of miami brought the michigan state spartans. Start the first corner going from left to right on your radio. Dial go ahead. And play the cornell. Durham mike for those. Who don't know who josie gac is. This is the lateral play at duke. Him it's the end of the game. It's a ridiculous finish and we're so desperate for memorable moments plays in college. Football history plays. I remember mel hill. sparty week. i'd she finally apologized me in person because she wanted this game removed from miami's win. Total my djamil of all people to come down on the miami football program. A too brutal is there. I don't know why you just did caesar for some reason. I don't know why we're doing shakespeare here. Isn't it to brute. Say oh my god see moving on my radio. It's pose integration radio network. How many josie. Jackie calling a fight in the colosseum over here. You have three lions and bears and you have just a of a combatant on with Sworn in its cord. Elder gladiator spectacle looking like three lions in two bands reliance two bears one cornell twenty seven twenty four script kick just fall down on it or whatever no other going to try the lateral has it to the other side of the field. This never works cop cornell. There which is back to johnson at the miami thirty two laying the inevitable looking for a block pitchers backwards as many laterals now is. Bs pass interference. Penalties on that walton now pitches it back to johnson. Guess we're going to keep going with this. Plus it back here comes another pitch. Cornell's has it goes back to the plumbers911 goal line offer looking for a block. Gets one definitely not blocking the back. He throws it across the thirty two. Cordo they're big legal block older crossing mugo smithfield cornell to the forty speeding ticket dot com or no bashing so has ringworm off lindy. Hurry scotty mike miami on the field and certainly no one will have a problem with while you're listening to the latest episode of the lebatardshow was stugatz. It's safe to say eighty to help protect more homes than any other home security provider. Adt was listed in the forbes home 2021 list of the best home security companies for having the best pro monitoring adt is the most trusted name at home security chosen three times more than the next professionally install competitor. It's safe to say millions. People trust adt to help protect what matters most get all the latest security upgrades in the most trusted name in the industry is at dot com today. 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It was that thing that people do to try and fool people of the white circle. That kind of looks like the check mark but not sign number. Three the avatar. It's the sportscenter logo but in fairly sizable print. Above is the word. Not all the red flags needs. God's is still go going. Todd gurley ravens buddy lebatardshow with stugatz. This is very exciting because celebrity. Prognosticator is back. Unfortunately rick ross is not. He won but we can't find him. And that's how it goes sometimes with rick. Ross but we bring in our ringer. Our resident ringer l. kompyang lee kompyang around peon. That's on a w. here. He's l. kompyang because he's the best to ever do it around here even though he's just a little bit over five hundred and he does these two two and one things where he knocks out colin cowherd regardless. He's our champion colin coward. One two and three were off to a big start and jericho's in the middle of eighty w trying to take over wrestling the crowd. You guys get chris and thank you for joining us again. For another season are crazy. They this thing is ahead of schedule for you right. You thought it was going to be one thing when you got there but it's ahead of schedule for even you. Is it not well. I mean i get to the point that at right now didn't affect you. What happened this quickly. I said it would be within four to six months. It's been within four to six days. We just sold out the prudential center last night in newark with eighteen. Thousand people. Go to arthur stadium in new york city next week for twenty thousand people. We are definitely on a roll. And more importantly. I am on a role as the greatest celebi. Prognostic ever to be in the lebatardshow and the only reason why i didn't win last week was because i was in the mountains with fauzi playing festival and didn't have enough reception my picks but if i would've given my picks i wanna want all of them because every single one that i picked one so it was bad reception at screwed me last week but this week tournament rocket you were performing at this festival or you were. Tell me tell me. More i this. We don't talk enough about your musical side. So we're on tour right now with fauzi. We had a tour that got postponed. I think four times during the the lockdown. So we're back out on the road so we're with fuzzy and i do five shows pasi then they go home for a day that i go to dynamite on the wednesday and then back out on the road again so i'm in newark airport a- getting ready to go to detroit and head over to angola michigan and then grand rapids this week cleveland and flint michigan. So i'm nationwide man. I'm all over the place. Now what's the matter with you. Jericho your star. You don't need to work like that. Why are you working so much. That sounds crazy schedule. Well i'll tell you what magic about it. I've been on the road. Since i was nineteen years old and for the last year and a half we pretty much weren't weren't able to be on the road so now that we can You wanna get up there and do it and experience it and so do people and people everywhere are just excited to go back to shows again so It's it's one of those things where it's like. Yeah this is a busy schedule but considering the alternative doing nothing and staying home for your and a half that's Very much welcomed by everybody both in the band and he w as well. What do you regard as the biggest thing. Eighty w has done other than sign. You like what do you regard as the moment that rivals the idea of you being there. I think just the shift to now. We have the cool factor. Which when you get the cool factor. That's when you get true Momentum was signed the pug and the right afterwards brands anderson coal and now it's safe to come the aid that people are wanting to come in whereas before we had to convince them a bit you had to recruit them. They'd recruit jon moxley and fdr and matt hardy most guys now there's no more recruitment because the proof is on screen every week and then the crowd that were in the numbers that was doing. So i think that's the biggest thing is we now becomes the cool place to go where everyone wants to be there. Both in the business and people watching the business so aws like you said. It's a little bit ahead of schedule for what we were expecting. All right now we have become the biggest and the coolest wrestling company in the world Just over the last four to six months. I'd say those. Wwe care for its wrestlers. The way w doug you know. I'm not gonna say over my and having a much better time and age of you and feel a lot more respected as a performer and as a creative entity and as an athlete in. Aws i ever did in. The family comes from sports background. You gotta remember that with the jacksonville. Jaguars at the phone football club. The mcmahon family comes from a wrestling standpoint. Which is you know forty years of of doing things a certain way and now we have a a big time pro sport vibe to us in a w all across the board which is completely different from deputy and very very very much welcomes for me for sure chris. Where does what happened in houston rank for you where you came out with no music and the crowd sang your song that you wrote with your band fawzy and how far into the crowd singing your song. Did you guys know you could pull something like that off. We we funny because the idea for for that was that says the bad guy. Mcs proclaimed that. I couldn't use judas my entrance song and so what happened was just walked out With no music and to I guess to my pleasant surprise. Everybody's saying anyway so we thought that might happen. But so people wanted to put lyrics senator chairs. Some people wanted us to put kind of karaoke lyrics. Some the screen and tony conrad and i were like no. Let's just see what happens. Let's play nothing. Just see if people get into it and they did very quickly got into the gun to sink and they signed the entire song word for word with no music and no teleprompter and it was just one of those magical moments. That can only happen if you had the guts in the balls to try. Something live without a net. I was gonna say that is monster balls if that is one hundred percent true story that you're just waiting for the crowd to know and there aren't any cues i. I can't imagine how moving to you as a musician and performer and a wrestler. Yeah all across the board. Like i said april's really exciting Thrilling it gets the best word because we didn't know what happened. What happens if nobody knows the words. Whatever it's a complete train wreck well then we'll just deal with it but instead it was the exact opposite couldn't have gone any better and with no real prompting and no real you know like i said no planning just see what happens and that's something that would never happy in deputy. We trust the fans And we believed in ourselves and new that no matter what happens with nature great and it wasn't sterile and it wasn't saccharin it was completely legit organic and real and that was kind of the beauty of the whole of the whole thing and it was just so excited that it worked the way did we are going to pick games with him in a second but he said something here and people were surprised that he talked about the stuff backstage the tensions with goldberg and brock lessner the real life tensions and so i have in front of me here jericho and i know your words guy. The our escalating our chart of escalating tensions. It goes from a little bit of tension to the most. I'm going to read it to you and you pick one of these for each of those incidents that you had with lessner goldberg okay. Are you ready. But it goes from from weakest strong. So it's chicanery hijinks malarkey skulduggery shenanigans. Tiff spat quarrel. Tomfoolery skirmish fractious hullaballoo. Ballyhoo dust up. Brouhaha armageddon agree to disagree. Got gloves off. I'm not done on the gloves off. Fisticuffs kerfuffle hubbub. Hurly-burly slobber knocker donnybrook. Riot war guy song palace of auburn hills. Okay i got it so who you got for lessner less than that one seems scary. I don't want any part of that. Jericho i know you're less learn more More more of a spat. i'd say. Okay and what what would you say about. Goldberg was more of a skirmish or a hullabaloo. Okay very good. Thank you for the elaboration. I know you don't like to talk about it really so. Let's let's pick some games with chris. Jericho i know. It is time for celebrity decatur. Nice win some money. Checkout awa dynamite. Every wednesday night eight. Pm eastern awa rampage. Every friday ten pm eastern on tnt. Here we go all of the lines. I'm sorry sorry. All of the lines provided to you by draft. Kings raiders steelers. You're always in an airport jericho your you can't. You must feel like you're always in an airport. It's my life. It's the way it's the life. So raiders at steelers steelers minus five and a half. Who got zoo steeler. The raiders are at pittsburgh in the pits. And the pittsburgh steelers are five and a half point favorite pittsburgh so can't be big ben bangles at bears bears minus two who you got fares bills. Dolphins dolphins plus three and a half dolphins or a three and a half point dog at home. I'm going with the dolphins. Vikings at cardinals cardinals minus four and a half a four and a half point favorite home. Gotta go with the vikings baby. Titans at seahawks seahawks minus five at home. So it'd be a close one. But i'll go with the titans. All right. jared go. We look forward to talking to you again next week. We need your help. We need to thoroughly ransack colin cowherd. This year you lasted almost all of last season with us. Jericho didn't you. You went more than half the season returning every week did you. Not i lost the whole season. I was on so long that You had to move stations. That was getting too popular. Okay that is exactly what we did. That's how it happened. Thank you jericho. Good talking to you later guys. We'll talk to you next week.

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More Than A Contractor; Less Than An Employee - DTNS 3989

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More Than A Contractor; Less Than An Employee - DTNS 3989

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Dns uber gives up calling drivers contractors in the uk. Wikipedia is about to charge and the chip shortage hit samson. This is the daily tech news for wednesday march seventeenth. Twenty twenty one in los angeles. I'm tom merritt anthem studio. I'm sarah from salt lake city. I'm scott johnson. And i'm the show's producer. Roger chan we were just talking about Relevant saint's days in the naming of hurricanes on good day internet. If you'd like that wider conversation else talked a little bit about. Nfc's become a member at patriotair dot com slash dpd s. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Facebook said wednesday will impose new restrictions on individuals and communities who were previously break. It's company rules so people joining groups with past community standards violations will now see a prompt to review that group before they join facebook also wants to give moderators more responsibility specifically in groups with a substantial number of people who have violated the company policies in the past or part of communities that facebook previously shutdown someone with repeat violations and facebook groups will no longer be able to post or comment between seven and thirty days also losing the ability to invite other people to a group or create new groups twitch sent out an email to its streamers announcing it added new tools for creators to deal with takedown requests and copyright strikes because that's efficient that they had to develop an entire new system just to deal with copyright strikes specifically twitch added tools to let streamers mass delete their recorded streams to avoid being perma band a tampa florida teen who took control of some well known twitter accounts last summer. You might remember a few of them. President joe biden elon. Musk bill gates. Jeff bezos. kim kardashian apple uber just to name a few and solicited more than one hundred thousand dollars in bitcoin to restore those accounts has pled guilty in a deal state prosecutors in exchange for three year prison sentence because of his age at the time the man who was a minor at the time tried as a youthful offender avoiding a minimum ten year sentence that would have followed if he'd been as an adult riva health which was founded by scientists to hinson high. And siri. co-founder dog kit. Laos is attempting to monitor blood pressure using software for at risk patients to potentially indicate early signs of heart disease to use riva. You just need to open the app on your phone tap. Go and then put your finger over the camera sensor it uses the flash descend light through your finger and then it can track your blood pressure. They have a special algorithm to do it and it creates a rendering of it on the screen hip compliant. But not yet. Fda approved amazon will expand its healthcare program amazon care to employees outside the state of washington as well as other companies amazon care offers virtual meetings with doctors in up and the ability to dispatch medical professionals to your home for things like physical examinations and also blood draws its run in partnership with a company from washington called care. Medical amazon care will now be available to other companies in washington as well later this year. The virtual service will be made available across the us and in-person care options will be added in washington dc at baltimore as well as other cities. All right workers of the u. k. Drive says uber unite as drivers. I suppose kind of anyway. Hey speaking of uber tom. They announced they every classified all of its uk drivers as quote unquote workers in the uk. The worker category as fewer rights than and employees category but more than a contractor. Say the third category that. We don't really have over here. Workers are guaranteed the national living wage of eight point seven two pounds holiday paying contribution contribution. Pensions uber will treat the national living wage as a minimum meaning. If the driver earns more than that on their fares they will get paid more. But they'll always have that minimum but they can never make less than that however uber will calculate hours from the moment. A driver accepts trip. Not count the time spent waiting between trips. This contradicts the supreme court's ruling on february or in february. That uber would need to count all time. Drivers logged in and available to accept. Rides over believes the February court case only applies to older policies at ended years ago and that it should not pay drivers while they may be logged into competing apps as well. It aches and did a great video This on bloomberg. And i really do think that. The worker category is right The worker category my limited understanding means i am entitled to some benefits like a pension and minimum wage. But i don't get all the benefits of a fulltime employees. Because i'm allowed to just not work when i want and that's essentially what an uber driver is. It's like you're sort of at the mercy of uber about getting rides but you get the freedom to not work one day without having to call in or anything like that so i think that category makes sense. I think it's interesting. That uber has just decided to wave the white flag. And say you know what fine. We're just we're just gonna call him workers. We're not going to fight this anymore. But i do think it's interesting that they wanna fight if somebody wants to bring the fight to them over paying people while the app is logged on. I think they have an argument. If i've got lift and door dash and uber open should ever be the only one that pays me when that app is opening. Should i be able to get paid by three apps. When i'm sitting there and i'm going to turn the other two office in his accept a ride from the other one if you're if you're a company that pays you or less. Aaron employees of the company is taking phone calls from some customers that make sense. You're getting paid for that but if it's a a technology that allows you to then take calls in between those calls but it's for another company and not to the benefit of the one you were just taking calls for. You wouldn't pay them either. So i do think they have a point there and i hope i hope they don't get stuck with that because that seems too far to me. A lot of this also is okay. Let's say i'm an uber driver. I'm in the uk. I'm in maybe more rural area or otherwise just knocking in a lotta fairs. And i'm not working for a competing service at all. I'm just kinda waiting to get some money by somebody using the service that i have signed up to do. I can see where there are times. Where yes it makes. Perfect sense that being in that employees category that is not it fulltime employees but also better than a contractor mix sense especially because you're allowing the workforce to be able to work for competing apps. But what if. You're not really up to you. I mean yeah. I guess you could make the argument. If i gave up other money making opportunities to sit in my car and weight and i just never got a fair. Shouldn't i get something for that. I think uber saying that. That rarely happens but it does happen to. They're going to want to get paid for that. So i get that the other outcome here is if this sets a precedent for other fights around the world If they're gonna look at the uk and say that's a precedent. I'm not sure it does. Because we went through this in california. We went to the supreme court in california. They made a ruling uber. Then got laws changed. They've kind of gone through this process. This is the end of the process in the uk. So it's a little different in each region snap has acquired. Berlin company fit analytics. Which helps you get correctly sized clothing shoes when online shopping from eighteen thousand partners. North face acis cattleman. Cliven patagonia puma. More right now. If you're on one of those sites you may see the ability to enter your measurements and then fit. Analytics is what that site is using to use some machine learning and match you to the proper size that brand because sizes maybe large but maybe you get a medium from puma or or something. They vary across brands. Fit has also developed though not yet launched technology to use an image to match clothing so now that snap is going to acquire fit analytics in the future snap may be able to suggest an outfit that will make yourself look better and then send you the right design. Snap as a service. I i loved the idea probably just because i'm like kay myself is. I don't really care about that anymore. I'm not using. Snap that much in that regard. But i i cannot tell you and I'm sure there are a lot of hands being raised. When i explained this how many times i will say okay. I need a new pair of jeans. For example. And i'm at a retailer site and i kind of go like well. What do they run large to. They run small. Let's look at the size chart and then you look at the size chart and you're like i mean i'm kind of probably in that area. I don't know. I wish this was a little bit easier just to know or you end up like googling it forms where people have been talking about that particular brand of jeans you know for ten years. So it's all out there but it's kind of convoluted something like this i can. I can find at least for me especially because have size fitting problems. All the time would be great. Yeah i have this thing where no. Xl shirt is the same ever. so i can't order them anymore because some of them come find some of them. Come to long. This is simple t-shirt. we're talking about some of the sleeves. Right where i want them. Some don't and i ended up having to get extra or excuse me double acts as a default now. Not because they're big enough. But because i know him covered on length. I'm a tall guy. And there's not much i can do about it so anytime i've used any service where there's some sort of even basic fitting kind of services attached to it the better and you know speaking in a time where you know. We're we're getting a lot more of our stuff online more than we ever did. More goods and services that we're used to seeing in brick and mortar stores. Close being one of those. The more we're going to do that the better experience needs to be in the more accurate. That experience needs to be and right now. It's a little bit of a crap. Shoot so i. I'm i'm all for the services. Oh go ahead. Just real quick. Given that snap is a camera company to this makes sense in pipe down the camera and the e commerce together to get brands into snap. Oh and i mean listen if this worked well and i was like i dunno just looking at my body and tell me what size any kind of thing that works. Great in theory. However you also have companies that for years have been sane near zero because it makes you feel better about yourself and that's how we're going to sell more genes kind of thing so the whole thing is a little bit more like real reality. What size he really. Yeah and that made. That may backfire and in some cases if reduces returns. That's a big cost savings. So that's true. Yeah you might see them. Just call everything zero and then fitted analytics decides. What actually yeah like. No one cares. what your size. Just then is a photo listening. It's a good point well. Pinned do has passed alibaba as the chinese company with the most annual active users. Seven hundred eighty eight million to ali baba's seven hundred seventy nine million so just ahead but ahead. China has around nine hundred eighty nine million internet users. Alibaba is a shopping and content giant pin do do offers a shopping app. That started by connecting buyers directly to produce growers but now offers everything from oranges to iphones. It's just a shopping marketplace alibaba's still makes more money in q four revenues specifically of two hundred twenty one billion one to pin do duals twenty six point five. Five billion one pin do do was started in part by a former. Google employees call wang. Who stepped down as chairman wednesday to devote all his time as he says to researching food and life sciences to improve china's agriculture besides conducting farmers shoppers. Pin do dual also has been working with farmers to pilot. Ai farms yeah. If you if you haven't been following this closely as some of us have pin. Duo duo passing. Alibaba in annual active users would be a little like chiappa fi passing google in active users. This past year alibaba's a little more like amazon. That it is like google but it's big. it's that large. I guess it'd be like shop basim amazon. Maybe but pen to do is really fascinating because it's not trying to be a marketplace like an amazon or even an alibaba. It's trying to be a connector to say. Hey you got a bunch of strawberries you want to sell. Let me connect you with a hundred people in the city. That want to buy strawberries. So you don't have to pursue each one of those relationships and vice versa. Pinto do does the group buying thing where if everybody gets into by a thing. The price goes down It's it's really fascinating. And they are skyrocketing to do just started in two thousand fifteen. Yeah that was crazy like you. Your comparison of saying you know like shop if i suddenly having more visitors per year than amazon was a pretty apt comparison. It just doesn't feel like that much. Momentum should have made or that much ground should have been made up in just five six measly years in internet time. But i don't know markets different over there so different conditions or whatever. But that's that's amazing like that's just crazy that's like saying sorry. Google you would finally taken over by duck duck go like it just seems like improbable overtaking in in this age usually when you get the numbers that high you stay there and you kind of own them and no one ever. You know quite competes with you. It's crazy yeah it is skyrocketed growth for sure i also found it somewhat interesting that Pin call calling wang. Step down as chairman wednesday. It doesn't mean that the company will do anything badly going forward but might do things differently going forward but this is a very nice a number and metric to say you know what what it us. We've done quite well. And by the way i would like to step down and do more research on food and life sciences which been to do has tapped into already quite nicely and it's going to benefit them. It's a little like eric schmidt. Taking over google sergei can on the algorithm right. Yeah interesting hey folks if you want to join the conversation in our discord you've got thoughts about pinned to or anything else Link your patriot account at patriotair dot com slash. Ns during annual shareholders meeting samsung co-ceo dong jin said worldwide chip shortages impact. Its business next quarter. That's significant co. Said and i quote our business. Leaders are meeting partners overseas to solve these problems. It's hard to say. The shortage issue has been solved. One hundred percent. You don't tell shareholders that unless you have to unless you're worried that you would be culpable if something bad happened and you hadn't worn them about that. Samsung is the second largest made to order silicon supplier in the world after tsmc but it does rely on suppliers for parts just like any other manufacturer including things like power management and radio chips samsung securities analyst. Ms wang said shortages of qualcomm shops. Some of which are made by samsun realized. Samsung is manufacturer for qualcomm. They compete on some ships. it's affecting everybody except apple apple seems to have weathered the storm well but wong said. Pc's will soon be hit due to the short supply of display driver integrated circuits and the profitability of television will