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"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on 20/20

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"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on 20/20

"In nineteen ninety-six a little girl named jon benet ramsey six years old. She was brutally assaulted and murdered on christmas night in the basement. Upper home and builder. Hey guys welcome to our first. Ever podcast episode. Thanks for tuning in. My name is jessica. I'm lexie and we're sisters. I think there's a new generation. Who's into the jon benet ramsey case. Who were her age. We're told to stay inside by their parents when she was murdered. I think yeah growing up it was it scared me a little bit because we're the same age and no same state and blonde hair blue. I you know it was a little bit scary. I remember thinking that. I could not believe that this happened like so close to our home. You think that your home is safe that this place is safe and you just don't think that it could have happened here and it did. The murder took place sometime between ten pm. On december twenty fifth and five thirty. am on december twenty. Sixth nineteen ninety six. The know a lot about the case My two girls. They love the grandfather. Grandfather was a detective on one of the biggest unsolved murders in our generation. The jon benet ramsey murder. And with this podcast. We wanna talk about the jonbenet ramsey case from our grandfather lucent's perspective was a really legendary detective colorado. That was brought in early to investigate homicide once. He got a hold of a case he never let go and he had great attention to detail. Blue smith made an eight hour video presentation that includes notes on mackay's potential suspects the evidence he collected over the years. It's a virtual encyclopedia of the jon. Benet ramsey case retired homicide detective from the poorest springs. Police department and i have worked for ten years. What i'd like to do today is to just show presentation that was made back in nineteen ninety eight. He had a history of closing cases. He had a ninety percent success rate. He advocated for the victim and stood in their shoes. So that's why we've chosen the victims shoes as our podcast name. This really meant something to him and he really felt he needed to find the killer of this little girl and he needed to do that. For johnny and first and foremost we wanted to continue our grandpa's legacy that was one thing he asked for before he died. He wants to remain alive. There's a saying here in colorado. That boulder is thirty square miles of fantasy surrounded by reality. It's very wealthy. It's well to boulder look like something out of a story book in many ways especially the neighborhood in which the ramseys live john and patsy ramsey lived in a sixty seven hundred square feet. Tutor there on fifteenth street. But i'd like to do first is to just talk a little bit about the ranji family. John ranchi interested sailing. Fly as you. Ramsey was the mother john and patsy ramsey had two children together their firstborn was burke. Nine years old. In jon benet six and a half in kindergarten. I'm a daughter sister. I'm a friend. I'm a wife and mother. John used to tell people that. I invested in futures with the features of my children. That's how i usually answer my occupation. My name is john andrew. Ramsay shamanee's half brother. John would go around and ask everybody how their day was and what they did and just an energetic and fun kid by all accounts. They were happy couple. Patsy was a high society woman from atlanta. John was a smart guy. Who had just been nominated or voted as entrepreneur of the year. Patsy ramsey was a stylish woman. She was a former beauty queen. Miss west virginia. All that is interesting. Because the case had gained so much attention because jon benet was in pageants by the time jon benet was four years old. She was in the pageant system with big hair and lots of makeup. I think it starts with the video of jon benet. It starts with the fact that you have this beauty pageant video of a six old. That is where the starts is people started saying. What's that about. How could that played him. I think it also touches on parents who have young kids like. Could this happen to me. I really believe that. If we hadn't seen the beauty pageant photos of jon benet ramsey it might have just gone into the ether as another child murder. Hundreds of children are murdered in america every year. But this one captivated us because we saw the beauty pageant pictures. I'm patsy ramsey. This is jon benet. She's taller for seven. Well christmas themed. Be kind of a crescendo for our family Just became this moment. We all look forward to a day of peace and quiet. Christmas patsies favorite time and she really went all out. She had a christmas tree for every room and every tree had a theme. The windows were done with garland. The staircases had garland there were red ribbons everywhere. Everything was about entertaining and she loved people. She loved to make people feel good for all of us at our house to everyone. Your house. merry. Christmas and the happiest of new year's there was plenty to celebrate in the ramsey home. Patsy ramsey had recently been declared clear of this ovarian cancer that she had battled and that was a huge relief to come back from stage. Four cancer plenty to celebrate that christmas so on christmas day. The ramsey family opened presence at their home that morning. Patsy made pancakes. Johnny rode her bike around on the patio. And both jon benet. And burke had friends over to play that morning the kids went outside to play with their friends with their new presence. They were going to a friend's house for dinner that night. We were gonna leave early the next morning for a trip to our summer cottage in michigan. Who is going to be the first time. I've gotten all of our family together in michigan for kind of a post christmas celebration so we came home. We came went to bed Jon benet was asleep when we arrived home. We took her to bed. Burke to bed at the alarm went to Don't asleep.

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"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on And That's Why We Drink

And That's Why We Drink

05:36 min | 2 months ago

"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on And That's Why We Drink

"Two floors up so really okay could could have been could have been could have been. She was acoustics from eastman. That wine cellar had some great acoustics only only horizontally. Yeah exactly very specific. I'm so john. So john andrew ramsay. This was the son of john ramsey. So junior nine year olds. No no sorry that was a burke. So oh john had two kids from a previous marriage. Okay i feel like. I did not know that yes sorry. I mentioned very briefly. But i also wanted to add that i mean. It's really tragic so john had two kids from a previous marriage and his daughter was killed in a car accident in at like twenty one or like very young. I know i think twenty one twenty four some like very young age so that already happened and patsy already been diagnosed with ovarian cancer before my kuffour this week. So they're going through hell on many levels here okay It's a lot. It's a lot. But so john was the other son from that marriage. He was definitely older. And the there was a theory that maybe he was involved. in main source of evidence on this is that they had found a blanket encrusted with his semen or in the basement Along with the doctor suitcase. Seuss book That was found in the suitcase below the open window in the cellar and it was his dna however he had like a really strong alibi that he was in atlanta that day. And i'm just thinking like. I guess he could have been a part of this murder but like maybe he was just like had a gross blanket from his teenage years that he like left and some boxes in storage and his dad. Put the boxer the suitcase in the he's really into pop. You know so. Yeah listen to judge is allowed to at a box you can do with some socks. Look fine you can do some some. Yeah so listen yeah Anyway that's another random fun fact for you. That's not very fun. It's definitely shocking. I instead shocking and not fun and pretty gnarly..

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"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

05:03 min | 1 year ago

"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"Welcome to episode. Eleven of the killing of Jon. Benet the final suspects. I'm your host Danielle robots. We have been tracking down names on lead detective. Liu Smits database of suspects with a view to either eliminate them from suspicion for the murder for good or else open a proper investigation into their whereabouts. The Night Jonbenet was killed and now our chief investigator Doug Law Guinea is meeting. Jonbenet's older step brother John Andrew Ramsay to update him on our progress. The question for our team now is this. After twenty three years is our tactic of old fashioned investigative work tracking down. Names knocking on doors. Still the best way to go about solving this case so it still and I think it probably has crossed your mind. I want to hear your thoughts. I understand collecting. Dna is a goal here in a good one. But I also think just contacting people and talking to them or emailing them. Not everyone will respond. But it seems like that's an avenue that has not been pursued enough. Does that makes it Kinda shocking. Every time you knock on someone's door and they say the first time they've been contacted yet at twenty three years into this. It's certainly a good place to start and it seems like we're able to Kinda get Lisa feel for people you know you can rule not one hundred percent no but You know it. It certainly helps. There's definite value in it and it certainly beats speculating for years and years and were in your hands over this just investigating over the keyboard. It's not efficient. The other issue that has troubled dug in the team is why for several of the suspects investigated over the course of this podcast. They have still remained persons of interest to decades after the murder. John any thoughts on why in one case you and I first persons to knock on. Somebody's door and would have been logical. Person doesn't seem likely that person had anything to do with it but there was a lot of curiosity before we got there and we were the first ones to knock on that door. What do you think that's about? Why haven't the police or you know you name. It done a little more of that sort of thing. I wish I had a good answer because that's the question. I'm getting from a lot of people. Following a podcast. Is You know why are you doing this? What into police do this? And I don't know that answer I mean we can speculate and assume that either focus was on our our families for the longest time and that they you know they. They look at people like John Uses. But did they go down to the next level should see why. Get since the very beginning of this case from the moment. John Ramsey made the horrific discovery of his daughter's body in his basement. It seemed that the research for jonbenet's killer has been hampered or at the very least defined by a hostility between the Boulder police and the Ramsey family for John Andrew. At least it's time to draw a line under that for Jon. Benet sake the end of the day we need the boulder police disolve rhys. The ball's in their court were hitched to them. I think they ultimately could saugus this bright and I understand that there's laws that govern this and they have obligations to keep things private but at the same time it's been twenty three years for my family. My Dad have hunted for this killer without any sort of confirmation information sharing between the two sides. It's time dad the boulder authorities take a new tack here and say okay. We're going to try something different right. And this is all so that we can accelerate finding the killer flor physician it would be easy to carry grudges and anger towards the boulder police. We want our results want troops and it's going to take a concerted effort at boulder authorities to get to that but we're willing we want to work with them and it's time. Would you dad this Sunday do that? You have very specific. I think the tremendous value if we could simply cross reference list of suspects to see us. They've already tested DNA. And so we don't have to go through years of speculation on anyone individual and it seemed like you could sit down with them. Yeah I do absolutely I want them to do job. Who will help to.

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"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

09:04 min | 1 year ago

"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"Hey we're Henry Marcus. Host of the last podcast on the left are shows dedicated to uncovering hilariously horrifying stuff. Like alleged ILLUMINE CONSPIRACIES SATANIC DOOMSDAY CULTS. And of course unfounded claims alien contact and now the last podcast and the left is exclusively on spotify. And we want you to join us. That is if you want to. Obviously we'd never force anyone to just blindly joining no way just because we're super into urban legends and colts who do creepy things like. Chan that mean we are creepy coal and matching linens. Fashionably running around trying to get innocent people to absolutely knock. That'd be crazy but if you like stories about doomsday cults that do exactly that and more than pleased on spotify visit spotify dot com slash. Last podcast to listen free in Colorado. Doug Leanne Guinea and John. Andrew Ramsay are preparing to make their first call at the boulder home of Clay Henderson. So we are about to go visit the son of a person who used to work for John. Ramsey's company here in boulder access graphics back in the nineties and I'm with John Andrew Ramsay and we're going to see if this person would give us a DNA sample. We have the supplies. We HAVE THE SWABS. We have the sanitary gloves. And this fellow has Two addresses that we know of one here in Boulder And one in a suburb north of here. And we're going to give it a try and John said he'd come along absolutely. What's your expectations today? Well you know this is the one we've talked about for years and it's time that we just in the speculation right and my hope is is we are going to click the DNA and rule this guy out to ruin the next week but my expectation is we're able to Dna without a lot of fanfare and and the next one and we've heard that which is true. We've heard that his DNA was collected several years ago. Kind of on the sly but it was mixed with other. Dna and the results came back inconclusive. So we still don't know and that's why we're going to give it a try today and then we have other people on our list today and we'll see how many we get to but we're going to head off now and try this man. Klay Henderson is not only at home. He agrees to talk to Doug and John Andrew with tape rolling. No one's ever come talk to me about this really ever no way. Why do you laugh about it? I well no I I mean I wouldn't even how they're drying from here to to where I'm at seems some remote. I think laughing because because there are people who you know you would think not necessarily you. I'm not trying to point finger here but a pretty like circumspect. I'm not sure that's the word. They were limited and who. They kind of talked to you because they were folks. Dave being the Boulder Police Department at the time. We're pretty focused on on the family right so like so the fact I think it just strikes me that well of course they wouldn't come talk to you because they didn't talk to probably a lot of people I don't want to be totally unfair to them is. This has been a long time. I don't know all of who they've talked to. But certainly the impression and the impression I think Lewis Smith. God was Fairmont blinders on when it came to the police department. There were not the same number of blinders on when it came to the District Attorney's office and so I don't mean if I am offended you I apologize but it's just like it does didn't quite surprised me but nobody would ever think surprise me a little bit but I'm not first person to knock on your door. Same would be true for your brother. Nobody ever came talked to him. No nineteen ninety five ninety six. Maybe six he would have been here in College at Montana. State to my knowledge. Yeah and he would have been there over the Christmas holidays. Six possibly nineteen ninety-six. I was living gun barrel just North Boulder. I mean no one's talked to me about it. I mean my dad. Here's what I know. Here's what I know logically. I would assume they would to Sandra up. Because she was terminated from access. She was in a halfway house she'd been divorced for. My Dad had a not so great divorce. She fingered she fingered my dad. My Dad you know acts inside edition and all those news magazine TV news magazines. That they came to his house knocked on his door. Dad gave hair and blood samples to them. They ruled him out immediately. Any deeper than that. I don't see where you could go with us as a field. That's all Klay. Henderson is not only willing to talk to Doug and John Andrew. He seems genuinely mystified that he or his brother should be on detective. Smith list of suspects at all was on Smith's list like that. We're has gone near. That's what I'm wondering. How did you get my news from Rubicam killer? Reno's eighteen thirty instead. That's kind of. It's not okay. So bar fell within that range by my dad. And he he was I but profiles light. Go ahead sure I'm well I'm just saying I mean that I understand. I understand those kinds of statistics but Clay the the list has been held closely by Cindy and their group. We do not like I couldn't go to my computer or to you know notebook and tell you I can see the list I cannot. I don't have access to. We asked go through like he had some priorities. I'm not even saying your priority. Get some priorities. We ask him for the priorities to check off. And that's why we're sure you have to think I know. It seems sort of seems insulting and challenging. But it's but it also is. It's just like I'll just check it out and I'm not insulting and and you do the right the little inappropriate to come to a home and say you know like they're you know it. I mean I understand a cold-case twenty twenty plus years in the making. I understand Matt just like any any person who is interested in the time you know we all watched it on TV. We've seen a bunch of expose shows on it. You've been intrigued and had our theories but it's I think even more so now that you've shown up at my house just goes to show you I mean how even remotely I mean how remote they are from an finding any because I mean I'm such a stretch to that point I mean I can't even fathom cash. I mean it's great that you show enough and I wish you the best your podcast because those are cool. But I'm just is intrigued as anybody to find out what actually happened but but I mean to to get you to you even get from. My stepmother was not my stepmother at the time anymore but Berenson might have been divorced and even further reach was that she fingered my dad. But that's understandable because she received you know in a halfway house and had nothing to loops.

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"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

01:43 min | 1 year ago

"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"I just went to a medical supply store and bought a number of sterile swabs. So we're going to be asking people if they will allow us to get a DNA sample from them. I'm they have to swab themselves. But I would we would provide the swabs and Keep them sterile. I also bought a package of sterile gloves. And we'll see if we can get these potential suspects to Give us DNA samples by using these swabs and Getting them off to a DNA lab. We'll see how that goes John. Andrew Ramsay Giannis step brother lives out here in the Denver Area. And he has said he's willing to join me as I go. Knock on doors of some of the suspects from loose smits list. We will try to get people to voluntarily give us DNA samples. I'M GONNA give John a call and see if he wants to join me out here before dog and John Andrew. Make their first stop. They meet to discuss the importance of familial. Dna samples and how a sample can potentially be run through what's known as the FBI's combined DNA index system which can compare any DNA swab with existing records contained within the database crucially. Modern advances mean that even if an exact match is not found it could still lead to a match from a family member sharing certain DNA characteristics. This is John. Andrew Ramsey.

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"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

11:58 min | 1 year ago

"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"Investigative reporter Paula Woodward mm-hmm. I have tried to find out whether or not the boulder police department is actively pursuing genetic in a and. I haven't been the able to get an answer so I don't know I find it strange. That they wouldn't say they were if they were but then a lot of what they have done has been strange including are you looking at genetic. DNA to try to track who the killer might be and then not getting an answer to me. That's very basic. Here's jonbenet's father John Ramsey. There's two issues one is that is only accessible by the police. We can't do that as private citizens listens. Secondly we understand that there's items of evidence that were never tested that the killer potentially could have touched and that needs to be done. I think in terms of moving forward if we can get the boulder police to test the evidence that hadn't been tested for DNA. We understand that there. We're five pieces. Sent in for testing to the DNA lab only one or two were tested. The other three. I assume return back to the police evidence files we can take those three pieces have tested see what. DNA is on the beautifully saves it. The color obviously had a touch. Jon Benet step brother. John Andrew Ramsay is optimistic. That DNA will provide the breakthrough one. We have two killers DNA. Let's start there. So that's hugely important will ultimately solve this crime and to the s there are additional widens. That should be tested. You know given today's new technology for additional samples and then three and the advent of refusing genealogy to identify killer is hugely promising in that technology. Only get better right. I mean from where we were nine hundred ninety six to where we are today. It's been just leaps and bounds improvement. DNA technology so in my mind if it's not today it's tomorrow we're GONNA crack this. I'm actually confident. They like other Vienna's central to solving this crime and it's been quietly collecting samples from people on that suspect list and the host of either ruling people out of course finding the killer so it's a process that sometime is transparent to the suspect or use is calling in sometimes it's not it's the collections of coffee cups and chewing gum kind of thing. Jonathan Webb was a member of the grand jury convened in Nineteen Ninety eight to consider the Jon Benet case over twenty years later. He also remains frustrated by the lack of comprehensive. DNA testing and if it's not DNA evidence was certainly fingerprint evidence. Because we did talk about that to me dig an older home and you think about personnel will come in and do maintenance work because you have some pump or whatever it's not surprising you would find DNA or fingerprints that they'll match up with anybody buddy that anyone knows with a touch teaneck so touched a letter and if somebody writes a letter their hand is usually on the side of piece of paper so that DNA is going to be all over that paper. That's one one way to say things thing is is that Jami was assaulted with an inanimate object if that is still available will. It's likely the person wasn't wearing gloves. It there's touch DNA on that. There's probably a host of other evidence. It's because there was. I believe it was a bat found outside the home. That was possibly the weapon. There's was a golf club other things you know if you have the golf club in St. Let's assume for a second. You A golf clubs was the weapon that would have Shamanee's DNA on the head of that golf club. And I can tell you this is that I a neophyte. In this issue get crime experts that know the technology and have the evidence is well preserved. I believe it could be solved in two thousand. Eighteen detectives and California L. A. -Fornia used advances in DNA profiling to finally solve what was called the Golden State killer case charging seventy two year old Joseph James Dangelo with eight counts of murder and thirteen related kidnapping and abduction attempts stretching back to the mid nineteen seventies genetic DNA DNA that spreads throughout the family and can't identify particular individuals family. That is something that has developed recently. It's how California law law enforcement people trapped on the goal state killer and that was a huge big deal. They did it by going to these. Genetic websites were family. Were listing their DNA AAC DNA from family members can be traced to a certain individual in the family websites are listing DNA and police and law enforcement investigators in California found and traced the golden state killer and they arrested him and they did it by going to these websites and tracing the DNA back to this person. John Ramsey and Johnson Augustine are in no doubt that the same techniques can be used to find. Jon benet killer my understanding of familiar. DNA is is that you can submit a sample of DNA and based on the characteristics of that DNA. They have have they mean the companies that are into this like twenty three and me ancestry dot com that they're able to see exactly where that DNA makeup his as far as the world is concerned but the police did. I believe it was the Sacrimento is they took the DNA sample. They had from the crime scene and Dan rather than just comparing it to the FBI database which is fairly small they went to the public. Arena the ancestry. Esprit dot com the various sites. You go on for thirty five dollars check your have your DNA sample and you some information of where you came from. They went to that public database. which I believe is hundreds of millions of samples and ran their crime scene the a sample against that database? And they found someone who has a family member because of the DNA was is an exact match but there are some similarities in the markers they then went and worked forward in the family tree. Several generations found okay. Here's somebody that was related that lived in Sacramento. At the time of Brenda's Mersch. Free when found the guy I got his. DNA perfect match. They arrested him and they solve the golden state killer case which had been dead for forty years of Asia piece of police. Police work very clever shares. A lot of were but the problem with the FBI database. It's fairly small some states. Don't even contribute to it. And you only get in that database if you've some states who've committed a felony in some states it's only after released from prison that they put your DNA DNA in the database. So it's it's it's a small population relative to the total population of the country. So it's it it needs it to be done in our case. Absolutely what did you dad thought. DNA would solve this case. And so. That's that's where we're coming from from with this with what we're doing is we're taking his cue that DNA will solve the case and getting the testing being a but DNA alone is not enough. Whatever the results show they must be married to good old fashioned detective work detective John San Augustine Gene? Explains you have to be careful that you you put all your eggs just in the DNA basket because no investigation no murder investigation and ever revolves around. Just one piece of evidence however this is a crucial piece of evidence and we need to see who's DNA that. Yes so the question is now. What do we do with this? DNA evidence actually what should boulder pd or the voter. DA's office do with his DNA evidence. We have the technology today to identify what race were dealing with. We can identify as maybe even a specific name. So there's a lot of things that are currently being developed. Some that have already been developed. And we've come a long way since nineteen ninety-six here. We are twenty three two years later. We need to think outside the box. We need to be able to look at these companies and say look. We need your help. We have a profile. What can you tell me about that profile? Today that may lead to the killer or killers jumping for our team. It's time to get in the field field next time. On the killing of Jon Benet Ramsey the final suspects confronting the first two names on loose mitts list. One of the Tom Untold important. They used to look for his motive in any killing and this one person had a potential motive in that the mother who worked for Mike Company was caught embezzling fair amount of money and we terminated her so we thought well there's a motive for a relative husband you angry. Whoever put Bush the killing of Jon Benet? The final suspects is hosted by me. Danielle Rowe Bay executive produced by Dylan Howard and Matt sprouse and is a production of broaden water studios endeavor audio executive producers also include include. Tom freestone Doug Genie. Susan Bennett James. Robertson Andy Tillett. The series written by Dominic gutten reporting by Doug Doug Monteiro the series is mixed and engineered by Sean Kravis and Sam Ada. There is so much more to this story. And you don't want to miss anything I can assure you. Subscribe to the killing of Jon Benet. The final suspects were ever. You get podcasts. If you have information that could help our investigators and the ramseys identify jonbenet's killer. Please email us at tips at justice for Jon. BENET DOT COM.

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"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

11:17 min | 1 year ago

"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"For Cindy DNA is the key to solving the case. Because we've decided I remember my dad Before he died just I know who he would kind of talk about the case and talk about what should be done and he says. I think I'm just GONNA start asking people they'll give their DNA all they can say is now and so that's always stuck with me and so we decided that that's what we would do would just try and track these people down. I mean it's been twenty three years so part. The problem is just tracking down. These people people have died. People are no longer at their last known address so we just decided that we would try that I. CF they're willing to give their DNA some people on on your dad's listen. Some people were looking at there in prison. I mean they have a sexual assault background in some of them are in prison for life. Several of them than I don't know whether the prisons routinely like put their DNA in the system and that's just what we don't know we would like to know that But we just kind of hear different stories about that that theoretically they're supposed to their DNA is supposed to be put into quotas But I don't know whether people who have been in there since the seventies whether they do that they'd go back and get all these inmates DNA. I don't know so we just have to assume that they don't and all of you. I mean you and your husband. uh-huh you work full dot is. This isn't your almost. Everybody on our team has full time jobs so we don't you know we might take a weekend and go after suspect attorney DNA but that's few and far between comes out of your own pocket of you've been able to raise money. Yeah so we were paying What we need to pay then? We just decided that we were just going to try a gofundme. And it's under the name. Jon Benet Lewis. Smith's family searches for justice. Uh and we've been able to raise money. I'm that way That we're using towards these expenses. Then we went on doctor ause and they promoted it it and so we got a really good response to it so now we have some money that can pay these expenses. And that's all we're using it for is just pay the lab fees to pay you know now we we have some that can track down these people. We have to pay them We've had investigators try and contact some of the people see if they'll willingly give their DNA So we're we're kind of just figuring out how we can best utilize that money so that we're not trying to do this ourselves in the late. Nineteen Nineties indies. DNA profiling was still in. Its relatively early stages detective John. Augustine describes what samples were taken at the time. There was some samples that were taken my understanding from johnnies underwear under her fingernails. And I believe also on her long johns in fact well we also know really two weeks after the murder of Jon Benet. There's a report that was done by. CBI Joseph so the Colorado Bureau of Investigation Investigation actually did some of the initial DNA analysis in the very beginning of the investigation. An analyst by the name of Katharine Drexel does uh some comparison using at the time. It was what they call Alpha of typing DNA and from that typing. They found out or she found out that the major component match Jon Benet but the minor component did not match anybody the family and this included Patsy Ramsey John Ramsey John Andrew Ramsay Burke Ramsey. They went through a litany of people that were tied hi to the family and found that none of that. DNA in in particular in this one was Under her fingernails did not match anybody in the family when you look at the DNA name this which you cannot say. There's an innocent explanation for why you would have foreign. DNA on her long johns on her underwear an under her fingernails of which is all the same source. I would tell you in my experience of almost two decades of law enforcement experience that if there was a suspect who's DNA matched the victims underwear long johns and under her fingernails. That person would rise to the top as being a suspect aspect. Because you know she's sexually assaulted. There's there's DNA found near her underwear she has DNA on long Johns and obviously from the strangulation she. She may have potentially grabbed at the perpetrator or perpetrators. We don't know but what we do know is that there's a foreign DNA minor component of DNA. NATO was found under her fingernails that does not match anybody in the family. So there's no innocent explanation for them. Although some DNA testing was done after jonbenet's murder many potentially crucial items from the murder scene remain untested boaty technologies receives five items from the Boulder District Attorney's Office of which the only test one they give the results to marry Canaan who immediately says that the family is not involved unfortunately the remaining four items were not subsequently tested to develop a profile or a potential profile from those for other items. Is that okay or should no no no I mean none of this is okay. I mean that's why we're in the state that we're in right now twenty three years later and you know items like that should have been tested as well because there's a high probability. Obviously when they selected these five items they thought there was a high probability that there would be a DNA profile filed developed from them so why not have those additional four items tested so that we can develop a profile from those additional items. It may match the first item. It may not but the bottom line is you know we've been at a standstill for the last twenty three years and as far as identifying a potential suspect when when you have items and that's just that's just four other items of the five that they initially picked. I will tell you there are there are hundreds of other items that could potentially really be retested. You know brought into current technology to see how you know if anything that that a profile can be developed from these items and if they need more. DNA We believe that they have several items that haven't been tested or parts of those items have been tested in other parts have not untested. Did this is Jon. benet Ramsey expert Jameson. When they test the cord they tests a small segment of it in the question is have have? They untied the nuts. That's one question has been asked because when you take that Corden you wrap it around the piece of wood would your gripping and it's casting through your skin and so there's a chance that there's better DNA on the record in it twist and not and we don't know that they've added testing these items could prove crucial to finding the killer. The testing of the one item in two thousand eight got some results correct. I would imagine though I mean we all know by two thousand nineteen without even being DNA scientists. You know it's advanced right right. Yeah I mean what we definitely know that twenty three years later after the fact you know we've gone from a very antiquated way of typing. DNA to where today you know they're able to get DNA office samples without having to see visually a blood sample or seminal sampled whereas saliva sample they literally can swab a specific area of of an article local of clothing were an eye glass or a cap or whatever they can literally swab those areas and get touched in a from those specific areas. There's an Hainault. They're able to get literally from anything now. So it it. It's come a long way as detective. Johnson Augustine explains advances dances and DNA profiling technology mean that today even tiny samples can yield hugely detailed results. They've also been able to do things to where they can tie it to a particular family so now you know when you look at cocaine one thousand nine hundred six henny people name John DOE lived in Boulder at the time of this deal. Now you can start kind of focus more attention into that because the science is giving you a specific family family of specific familial piece which you know ninety six nobody knew about that so now it may be something where there's a name that is attributed due to this DNA. That was on Jon Benet and now it's a matter of K. somebody potentially who's incarcerated recently. Let go somebody with a sexual You know some type of pedophilia background. That was let go and it could be somebody from out of the state. We don't know but the fact that this familiar piece is a known we may be able able to find the killer based on on just that then you look at that and then you say okay. Where was that individual in December of nineteen ninety you six was he in the boulder area? Who did he associated with? Did he rent a car you know. Did he have a cell phone. Did he have something that may tie us. Even closer answer then. Do we have any article of clothing that he has now that matches up with something. Maybe you know again. There's a lot of things that we can do with the help of law enforcement. I want to further that investigation. Here's Cindy Mara. I think that the smartest thing that they could do is do. The genealogy testing told me what that would mean that would mean that they have to send in the DNA to get tested under. Today's I don't. It's called today's standards. I don't know what the technical term is. But the body report isn't sufficient to be for those genealogical places to be able to to do the genealogical research that has to be tested under whatever process they use and that's what they put into that database. So you know only boulder can do that. 'cause we don't have DNA so they would have to do that and Basically that's it and they could send a pair bond labs devoted labs 'cause paragon laps. Also you know they're able to do the composite of what the person looked like pair bond laps can do pheno typing and the DNA to do that. And what were they do. Then they come up with a composite of what the person probably looked like you know the features and stuff to me living is they. Could they go into the actual jeans. They supposedly can get the color of the is the shape of the nose shape of the Chin detail and actually come up with A. Why wouldn't you do it? Why wouldn't you do it right?.

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"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

06:30 min | 1 year ago

"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"You police by nature our fraternity right. It's a brotherhood and and as I see it with these guys did a circle the wagons and they protected their own and they fought viciously to protect their their own. The reputation and I don't agree with that. I would like to think if I was in their shoes I would have realized that I was outgunned. And you didn't have the experience to dissolve this and the reach out for help in nineteen ninety seven with their case floundering older PD brought in legendary retired. Detective Lou Smit who with hundreds of successful homicide investigations under his belt was seen as is the man to finally cracked the case. A year later he was forced to resign again. After presenting to the Department is absolute conviction that an intruder intruder was responsible for jonbenet's murder undeterred. He continued to work the case on his own steam until his death nine years ago. Did you ever get to meet loose-knit I did a couple times. The first time I met loose-knit they brought me in or asked to talk it to me about what you said. What do you know about stun-guns? I don't know anything about stun guns. You know and I to be frank at the time time. I was pretty distrustful and editor towards the police account lump Lou into that collective but yeah over time it learning of his reputation and it just seems work. You know that a man of integrity would just follow the truth. I mean that's hard to do in that environment where there's a lot out of public pressure. Everything was being leaked to the media. The world over day. Kinda stand on your principles. Hard to ease to tell me I'm GonNa get this going. You want to get him and he'd gotten a lot of criminals in his career. It's his reputation was founded on salt or hundred coal cases smets and detective. Smith did not work alone. Who was Ali Gray? All Gray was a retired tired homicide detective from California or also judge number years quite a career in law enforcement was retired in Colorado Springs and got interested in this case Early on and did quite a bit of work on the elude worked pretty closely together. We both lived in Colorado Springs all knew a lot about the case. Say Both Allure Long Time homicide detectives and and have lots of experience got a real life. Colombo's basically how did you first get involved with Janus. We became aware IRV Jameson. She was reported to have a very detailed timeline of information online about on our case and it was very accurate berry non biased. One way or the other wasn't trying to convince people were guilty or innocent. It was just the facts. She had a good reputation for website of being very accurate in this data less started fairly early on on and she has maintained it over the years. She very careful about making sure. It was accurate in correct. She put it on her site at that point wait. I was pretty well known as being a supporter of the intruder theory. I had made some enemies. The ramseys were aware of my existence. Assistance I became worried that somebody might pretend to be me to gain their trust and I thought I had to stop snap that so I met with them and when I came out here to again I came out here several times. Then and each time I would meet with those Smith. Just a wonderful guy and he introduced me to Ollie Gray and he introduced me do several other people they were working on the case. After Lewis Smith's death he left his case files to his daughter Cindy Mara as well as his master spreadsheet detailing every suspect for the murder of Jon Benet he developed this database of people have interest. In our case I'd come in his tips and each each name had a columnist. What had been done if anything on this tip was followed up on his DNA take three perch taken in intellect coughing very extensive database very thorough? And when he died he left that as legacy and and Cindy Mara his daughter is taken up that database and move forward on doing what Lou would have done had lived. So yeah. Yeah it's it's really a gift he left because you know as a family here we have. We have nothing else you know. The police haven't shared any really not any information with us. So the work that we did is what we've got it. Is this spreadsheet and a final shortlist list of ten suspects that is now forming the basis of our new investigation. Douglas Genie Jason and their team along with John and John John Andrew Ramsay are determined to finally finish with Detective Smith started and they formed his team if kept very low profile but they are basically taking lose extensive database of information on this case and methodically going through each dame each lead and either eliminated eminating or resilient and they're eliminating it based on Giddy. Dna We have foreign mail. DNA always voice have had in this case in lieu fell was going to be solved by fighting DNA mash. So they're going through and get Indian each of these people I I either take him off. The list is debated match. Or there's some connection than pursuing it for. They're going from the top down but they do you believe that the name of the killers.

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"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

06:30 min | 1 year ago

"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"You police by nature our fraternity right. It's a brotherhood and and as I see it with these guys did a circle the wagons and they protected their own and they fought viciously to protect their their own. The reputation and I don't agree with that. I would like to think if I was in their shoes I would have realized that I was outgunned. And you didn't have the experience to dissolve this and the reach out for help in nineteen ninety seven with their case floundering older PD brought in legendary retired. Detective Lou Smit who with hundreds of successful homicide investigations under his belt was seen as is the man to finally cracked the case. A year later he was forced to resign again. After presenting to the Department is absolute conviction that an intruder intruder was responsible for jonbenet's murder undeterred. He continued to work the case on his own steam until his death nine years ago. Did you ever get to meet loose-knit I did a couple times. The first time I met loose-knit they brought me in or asked to talk it to me about what you said. What do you know about stun-guns? I don't know anything about stun guns. You know and I to be frank at the time time. I was pretty distrustful and editor towards the police account lump Lou into that collective but yeah over time it learning of his reputation and it just seems work. You know that a man of integrity would just follow the truth. I mean that's hard to do in that environment where there's a lot out of public pressure. Everything was being leaked to the media. The world over day. Kinda stand on your principles. Hard to ease to tell me I'm GonNa get this going. You want to get him and he'd gotten a lot of criminals in his career. It's his reputation was founded on salt or hundred coal cases smets and detective. Smith did not work alone. Who was Ali Gray? All Gray was a retired tired homicide detective from California or also judge number years quite a career in law enforcement was retired in Colorado Springs and got interested in this case Early on and did quite a bit of work on the elude worked pretty closely together. We both lived in Colorado Springs all knew a lot about the case. Say Both Allure Long Time homicide detectives and and have lots of experience got a real life. Colombo's basically how did you first get involved with Janus. We became aware IRV Jameson. She was reported to have a very detailed timeline of information online about on our case and it was very accurate berry non biased. One way or the other wasn't trying to convince people were guilty or innocent. It was just the facts. She had a good reputation for website of being very accurate in this data less started fairly early on on and she has maintained it over the years. She very careful about making sure. It was accurate in correct. She put it on her site at that point wait. I was pretty well known as being a supporter of the intruder theory. I had made some enemies. The ramseys were aware of my existence. Assistance I became worried that somebody might pretend to be me to gain their trust and I thought I had to stop snap that so I met with them and when I came out here to again I came out here several times. Then and each time I would meet with those Smith. Just a wonderful guy and he introduced me to Ollie Gray and he introduced me do several other people they were working on the case. After Lewis Smith's death he left his case files to his daughter Cindy Mara as well as his master spreadsheet detailing every suspect for the murder of Jon Benet he developed this database of people have interest. In our case I'd come in his tips and each each name had a columnist. What had been done if anything on this tip was followed up on his DNA take three perch taken in intellect coughing very extensive database very thorough? And when he died he left that as legacy and and Cindy Mara his daughter is taken up that database and move forward on doing what Lou would have done had lived. So yeah. Yeah it's it's really a gift he left because you know as a family here we have. We have nothing else you know. The police haven't shared any really not any information with us. So the work that we did is what we've got it. Is this spreadsheet and a final shortlist list of ten suspects that is now forming the basis of our new investigation. Douglas Genie Jason and their team along with John and John John Andrew Ramsay are determined to finally finish with Detective Smith started and they formed his team if kept very low profile but they are basically taking lose extensive database of information on this case and methodically going through each dame each lead and either eliminated eminating or resilient and they're eliminating it based on Giddy. Dna We have foreign mail. DNA always voice have had in this case in lieu fell was going to be solved by fighting DNA mash. So they're going through and get Indian each of these people I I either take him off. The list is debated match. Or there's some connection than pursuing it for. They're going from the top down but they do you believe that the name of the killers.

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"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

06:30 min | 1 year ago

"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"You police by nature our fraternity right. It's a brotherhood and and as I see it with these guys did a circle the wagons and they protected their own and they fought viciously to protect their their own. The reputation and I don't agree with that. I would like to think if I was in their shoes I would have realized that I was outgunned. And you didn't have the experience to dissolve this and the reach out for help in nineteen ninety seven with their case floundering older PD brought in legendary retired. Detective Lou Smit who with hundreds of successful homicide investigations under his belt was seen as is the man to finally cracked the case. A year later he was forced to resign again. After presenting to the Department is absolute conviction that an intruder intruder was responsible for jonbenet's murder undeterred. He continued to work the case on his own steam until his death nine years ago. Did you ever get to meet loose-knit I did a couple times. The first time I met loose-knit they brought me in or asked to talk it to me about what you said. What do you know about stun-guns? I don't know anything about stun guns. You know and I to be frank at the time time. I was pretty distrustful and editor towards the police account lump Lou into that collective but yeah over time it learning of his reputation and it just seems work. You know that a man of integrity would just follow the truth. I mean that's hard to do in that environment where there's a lot out of public pressure. Everything was being leaked to the media. The world over day. Kinda stand on your principles. Hard to ease to tell me I'm GonNa get this going. You want to get him and he'd gotten a lot of criminals in his career. It's his reputation was founded on salt or hundred coal cases smets and detective. Smith did not work alone. Who was Ali Gray? All Gray was a retired tired homicide detective from California or also judge number years quite a career in law enforcement was retired in Colorado Springs and got interested in this case Early on and did quite a bit of work on the elude worked pretty closely together. We both lived in Colorado Springs all knew a lot about the case. Say Both Allure Long Time homicide detectives and and have lots of experience got a real life. Colombo's basically how did you first get involved with Janus. We became aware IRV Jameson. She was reported to have a very detailed timeline of information online about on our case and it was very accurate berry non biased. One way or the other wasn't trying to convince people were guilty or innocent. It was just the facts. She had a good reputation for website of being very accurate in this data less started fairly early on on and she has maintained it over the years. She very careful about making sure. It was accurate in correct. She put it on her site at that point wait. I was pretty well known as being a supporter of the intruder theory. I had made some enemies. The ramseys were aware of my existence. Assistance I became worried that somebody might pretend to be me to gain their trust and I thought I had to stop snap that so I met with them and when I came out here to again I came out here several times. Then and each time I would meet with those Smith. Just a wonderful guy and he introduced me to Ollie Gray and he introduced me do several other people they were working on the case. After Lewis Smith's death he left his case files to his daughter Cindy Mara as well as his master spreadsheet detailing every suspect for the murder of Jon Benet he developed this database of people have interest. In our case I'd come in his tips and each each name had a columnist. What had been done if anything on this tip was followed up on his DNA take three perch taken in intellect coughing very extensive database very thorough? And when he died he left that as legacy and and Cindy Mara his daughter is taken up that database and move forward on doing what Lou would have done had lived. So yeah. Yeah it's it's really a gift he left because you know as a family here we have. We have nothing else you know. The police haven't shared any really not any information with us. So the work that we did is what we've got it. Is this spreadsheet and a final shortlist list of ten suspects that is now forming the basis of our new investigation. Douglas Genie Jason and their team along with John and John John Andrew Ramsay are determined to finally finish with Detective Smith started and they formed his team if kept very low profile but they are basically taking lose extensive database of information on this case and methodically going through each dame each lead and either eliminated eminating or resilient and they're eliminating it based on Giddy. Dna We have foreign mail. DNA always voice have had in this case in lieu fell was going to be solved by fighting DNA mash. So they're going through and get Indian each of these people I I either take him off. The list is debated match. Or there's some connection than pursuing it for. They're going from the top down but they do you believe that the name of the killers.

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"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

08:36 min | 1 year ago

"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"I think anyone who suffered the loss of a child those that that. There's just a lot of times that let's family and friends and clergy people. We lost our daughter. That's the worst possible. Ospel thing that could have happened to us. Anything that has happened in the aftermath pales by comparison. We feel like they're at least two people on the face of this earth. No who did. And that is the killer and someone that that person may have confided them. Welcome to episode three of the killing of Jon Benet Ramsey the final suspects. I'm your host Daniel Roby last time we heard how twenty three years after the broken and abused body of six year. Old jonbenet Ramsey was discovered by her father in the basement of their Boulder Colorado home. The identity of her murder still baffles law enforcement officers bottomline. There's still a killer out there. It also how armed with a list of remaining suspects from lead detective loose-knit a new team of investigators. Journalists and private citizens are doing what the boulder older police department has yet to be able to put aside any agenda other than finding answers for the Ramseys it is this spreadsheet and a short list of ten suspects. Vex that is now forming the basis of our new investigation Dylan Howard Doug Lumbini Jamison and their team along with John and John. Andrew Ramsay are determined determined to pick up with detective. loose-knit could not finish it. Used to be what I'd wake up in the morning had to get up up quick because I lay in bed. Start thinking that was tough to start your day. That way better yet reminded. No I have pictures of Jon Benet and and Beth. My other daughter on my desk came sometimes. Look that makes both happy and said well you know for so long long. My father's born the brunt of working with the media and putting himself out there and he's gone to tremendous links that really to protect us kids to the we can have a semblance of normal life. I'm at the same time I've got a vested interest in this. I've got young children myself. My wife has been affected by this murder. And I want the truth. And that's why I'm I'm doing this. I don't have any aspirations beyond just getting to the truth and this is this is a means to an end. As I said we were naive pass. He came from a small town west. Virginia I was born and raised in Lincoln Nebraska. We thought the world was a nice place John Andrew along with sisters Elizabeth and Melinda lived with their mother in Atlanta. Their parents had divorced in nineteen seventy eight and John. John Married Patsy in nineteen. Eighty Burke Ramsey was born in one thousand nine hundred seven and Jon Benet three years later even after John and patsy moved to boulder all all the children remained close. This is John Andrew. My Dad's company merged with two others in the headquarters was in boulder her once Access graphics was sold to Lockheed Martin my dad was promoted to CEO President. In of course steph point made the move to full-time in boulder but coming from Atlanta Boulder was. It was kind of a novelty right until the story of. You've gone out there as a as a seventh grader Meena Buddy. We had our bikes. We could ride our bikes everywhere. I mean this was unthinkable in the sprawl of Atlanta. You walk the places. It was kind of this quaint small town so we thought we didn't pay attention to keep our doors lock. We thought we lived the Nice safe community in one of the things. Police asked me early on. Do you know anybody could have done this. I said I don't know anybody this evil. This is an evil horrible saying that human being into a child. I don't know anybody I've never met anybody. That said Evil John. John Andrew Remembers. Jon Benet some fourteen years his junior as a boisterous fun loving kid. I'm not GonNa say we were best buddies or anything but As I remember being really Tomboy I mean she this older brother Burke who had a bunch of you neighborhood buddies played baseball and whatever sports the day and she just Kinda hung out with them and I really saw her as as a tomboy be yes she was a sweet fun kit at the some of this has been trumped up and really portrayed as overwhelming personality but I guess I don't remember that and I think I there's just genuine this weekend one of the things that I regret big time obviously is that we didn't take our home security more seriously without Linden in a very peaceful AC- Harriet type of community. Our House had alarm system. Stay in the house. We bought it but it was one that put without this excruciating noise and the theory behind that type assists to was it drives you nuts and some as intruder. He just wants to get out of the house as his his ear. Drums are breaking. So we'd never used. Johnny said off one just punching buttons. It was horrible. She said it makes expires loud. That's the idea so we'd ever use it because it was horrible system but on the morning after Christmas nineteen ninety-six. Everything changed our plan that morning. That was get up early. Blind to Minneapolis meet John and my daughter Melinda and they go on up to northern Michigan for like a second Christmas with Miller kiss and then they were going to go back home. And we're going to take Johnny Burke on the Disney cruise so it was the day after Christmas and I had spent Christmas with but my sister Melinda in mother and if Lanna and after was flying to meet my dad passing family. We were GONNA go to Charlotte Michigan time. We'd at home but the plan was to meet any apple's so we were flying Minneapolis Got Off their plane and I can't remember someone handed me a note flight attendant or somebody they pulled me aside and said you need to call call home essentially pay phone and called my dad and he told me that Johnny Been Kidnapped and I think he I essentially we. Just this means that split-second decision why Denver that point after patsy discovered the ransom note claiming Jon Benet had been kidnapped. She called called nine one one. The police responded and so began the initial agonizing. Wait for the family well. I described the feeling to people. It's like when you're in a shopping center and you've got your small child with you and your rookie through clothing and look round gone. He had this desist. Hit My gut like my God. Where's bird or she go? Where did he go a star frantically looking and then you find him over in the next? I'll somewhere minutes later. I had that panic yet in the gut feeling all morning what do I what have I got to do to get her backed. It's cold out there. It's dark and I do whatever I'm capable of doing that we call the police immediately obvious to get her back. That was my the whole focus. What a helpless? I didn't know what to eat. Our can give blocked roads lead. Get pleased at the airport. I but the cops answer here. They know what they're doing. I I don't I don't should be done. But in retrospect they didn't have a clue what they're doing and I should'VE MM-HMM I should've I don't how would escalate it. But I should have called a friend of the governor's office. I should have done something to say. Look we got a major.

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"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

08:36 min | 1 year ago

"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"I think anyone who suffered the loss of a child those that that. There's just a lot of times that let's family and friends and clergy people. We lost our daughter. That's the worst possible. Ospel thing that could have happened to us. Anything that has happened in the aftermath pales by comparison. We feel like they're at least two people on the face of this earth. No who did. And that is the killer and someone that that person may have confided them. Welcome to episode three of the killing of Jon Benet Ramsey the final suspects. I'm your host Daniel Roby last time we heard how twenty three years after the broken and abused body of six year. Old jonbenet Ramsey was discovered by her father in the basement of their Boulder Colorado home. The identity of her murder still baffles law enforcement officers bottomline. There's still a killer out there. It also how armed with a list of remaining suspects from lead detective loose-knit a new team of investigators. Journalists and private citizens are doing what the boulder older police department has yet to be able to put aside any agenda other than finding answers for the Ramseys it is this spreadsheet and a short list of ten suspects. Vex that is now forming the basis of our new investigation Dylan Howard Doug Lumbini Jamison and their team along with John and John. Andrew Ramsay are determined determined to pick up with detective. loose-knit could not finish it. Used to be what I'd wake up in the morning had to get up up quick because I lay in bed. Start thinking that was tough to start your day. That way better yet reminded. No I have pictures of Jon Benet and and Beth. My other daughter on my desk came sometimes. Look that makes both happy and said well you know for so long long. My father's born the brunt of working with the media and putting himself out there and he's gone to tremendous links that really to protect us kids to the we can have a semblance of normal life. I'm at the same time I've got a vested interest in this. I've got young children myself. My wife has been affected by this murder. And I want the truth. And that's why I'm I'm doing this. I don't have any aspirations beyond just getting to the truth and this is this is a means to an end. As I said we were naive pass. He came from a small town west. Virginia I was born and raised in Lincoln Nebraska. We thought the world was a nice place John Andrew along with sisters Elizabeth and Melinda lived with their mother in Atlanta. Their parents had divorced in nineteen seventy eight and John. John Married Patsy in nineteen. Eighty Burke Ramsey was born in one thousand nine hundred seven and Jon Benet three years later even after John and patsy moved to boulder all all the children remained close. This is John Andrew. My Dad's company merged with two others in the headquarters was in boulder her once Access graphics was sold to Lockheed Martin my dad was promoted to CEO President. In of course steph point made the move to full-time in boulder but coming from Atlanta Boulder was. It was kind of a novelty right until the story of. You've gone out there as a as a seventh grader Meena Buddy. We had our bikes. We could ride our bikes everywhere. I mean this was unthinkable in the sprawl of Atlanta. You walk the places. It was kind of this quaint small town so we thought we didn't pay attention to keep our doors lock. We thought we lived the Nice safe community in one of the things. Police asked me early on. Do you know anybody could have done this. I said I don't know anybody this evil. This is an evil horrible saying that human being into a child. I don't know anybody I've never met anybody. That said Evil John. John Andrew Remembers. Jon Benet some fourteen years his junior as a boisterous fun loving kid. I'm not GonNa say we were best buddies or anything but As I remember being really Tomboy I mean she this older brother Burke who had a bunch of you neighborhood buddies played baseball and whatever sports the day and she just Kinda hung out with them and I really saw her as as a tomboy be yes she was a sweet fun kit at the some of this has been trumped up and really portrayed as overwhelming personality but I guess I don't remember that and I think I there's just genuine this weekend one of the things that I regret big time obviously is that we didn't take our home security more seriously without Linden in a very peaceful AC- Harriet type of community. Our House had alarm system. Stay in the house. We bought it but it was one that put without this excruciating noise and the theory behind that type assists to was it drives you nuts and some as intruder. He just wants to get out of the house as his his ear. Drums are breaking. So we'd never used. Johnny said off one just punching buttons. It was horrible. She said it makes expires loud. That's the idea so we'd ever use it because it was horrible system but on the morning after Christmas nineteen ninety-six. Everything changed our plan that morning. That was get up early. Blind to Minneapolis meet John and my daughter Melinda and they go on up to northern Michigan for like a second Christmas with Miller kiss and then they were going to go back home. And we're going to take Johnny Burke on the Disney cruise so it was the day after Christmas and I had spent Christmas with but my sister Melinda in mother and if Lanna and after was flying to meet my dad passing family. We were GONNA go to Charlotte Michigan time. We'd at home but the plan was to meet any apple's so we were flying Minneapolis Got Off their plane and I can't remember someone handed me a note flight attendant or somebody they pulled me aside and said you need to call call home essentially pay phone and called my dad and he told me that Johnny Been Kidnapped and I think he I essentially we. Just this means that split-second decision why Denver that point after patsy discovered the ransom note claiming Jon Benet had been kidnapped. She called called nine one one. The police responded and so began the initial agonizing. Wait for the family well. I described the feeling to people. It's like when you're in a shopping center and you've got your small child with you and your rookie through clothing and look round gone. He had this desist. Hit My gut like my God. Where's bird or she go? Where did he go a star frantically looking and then you find him over in the next? I'll somewhere minutes later. I had that panic yet in the gut feeling all morning what do I what have I got to do to get her backed. It's cold out there. It's dark and I do whatever I'm capable of doing that we call the police immediately obvious to get her back. That was my the whole focus. What a helpless? I didn't know what to eat. Our can give blocked roads lead. Get pleased at the airport. I but the cops answer here. They know what they're doing. I I don't I don't should be done. But in retrospect they didn't have a clue what they're doing and I should'VE MM-HMM I should've I don't how would escalate it. But I should have called a friend of the governor's office. I should have done something to say. Look we got a major.

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"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

08:36 min | 1 year ago

"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"I think anyone who suffered the loss of a child those that that. There's just a lot of times that let's family and friends and clergy people. We lost our daughter. That's the worst possible. Ospel thing that could have happened to us. Anything that has happened in the aftermath pales by comparison. We feel like they're at least two people on the face of this earth. No who did. And that is the killer and someone that that person may have confided them. Welcome to episode three of the killing of Jon Benet Ramsey the final suspects. I'm your host Daniel Roby last time we heard how twenty three years after the broken and abused body of six year. Old jonbenet Ramsey was discovered by her father in the basement of their Boulder Colorado home. The identity of her murder still baffles law enforcement officers bottomline. There's still a killer out there. It also how armed with a list of remaining suspects from lead detective loose-knit a new team of investigators. Journalists and private citizens are doing what the boulder older police department has yet to be able to put aside any agenda other than finding answers for the Ramseys it is this spreadsheet and a short list of ten suspects. Vex that is now forming the basis of our new investigation Dylan Howard Doug Lumbini Jamison and their team along with John and John. Andrew Ramsay are determined determined to pick up with detective. loose-knit could not finish it. Used to be what I'd wake up in the morning had to get up up quick because I lay in bed. Start thinking that was tough to start your day. That way better yet reminded. No I have pictures of Jon Benet and and Beth. My other daughter on my desk came sometimes. Look that makes both happy and said well you know for so long long. My father's born the brunt of working with the media and putting himself out there and he's gone to tremendous links that really to protect us kids to the we can have a semblance of normal life. I'm at the same time I've got a vested interest in this. I've got young children myself. My wife has been affected by this murder. And I want the truth. And that's why I'm I'm doing this. I don't have any aspirations beyond just getting to the truth and this is this is a means to an end. As I said we were naive pass. He came from a small town west. Virginia I was born and raised in Lincoln Nebraska. We thought the world was a nice place John Andrew along with sisters Elizabeth and Melinda lived with their mother in Atlanta. Their parents had divorced in nineteen seventy eight and John. John Married Patsy in nineteen. Eighty Burke Ramsey was born in one thousand nine hundred seven and Jon Benet three years later even after John and patsy moved to boulder all all the children remained close. This is John Andrew. My Dad's company merged with two others in the headquarters was in boulder her once Access graphics was sold to Lockheed Martin my dad was promoted to CEO President. In of course steph point made the move to full-time in boulder but coming from Atlanta Boulder was. It was kind of a novelty right until the story of. You've gone out there as a as a seventh grader Meena Buddy. We had our bikes. We could ride our bikes everywhere. I mean this was unthinkable in the sprawl of Atlanta. You walk the places. It was kind of this quaint small town so we thought we didn't pay attention to keep our doors lock. We thought we lived the Nice safe community in one of the things. Police asked me early on. Do you know anybody could have done this. I said I don't know anybody this evil. This is an evil horrible saying that human being into a child. I don't know anybody I've never met anybody. That said Evil John. John Andrew Remembers. Jon Benet some fourteen years his junior as a boisterous fun loving kid. I'm not GonNa say we were best buddies or anything but As I remember being really Tomboy I mean she this older brother Burke who had a bunch of you neighborhood buddies played baseball and whatever sports the day and she just Kinda hung out with them and I really saw her as as a tomboy be yes she was a sweet fun kit at the some of this has been trumped up and really portrayed as overwhelming personality but I guess I don't remember that and I think I there's just genuine this weekend one of the things that I regret big time obviously is that we didn't take our home security more seriously without Linden in a very peaceful AC- Harriet type of community. Our House had alarm system. Stay in the house. We bought it but it was one that put without this excruciating noise and the theory behind that type assists to was it drives you nuts and some as intruder. He just wants to get out of the house as his his ear. Drums are breaking. So we'd never used. Johnny said off one just punching buttons. It was horrible. She said it makes expires loud. That's the idea so we'd ever use it because it was horrible system but on the morning after Christmas nineteen ninety-six. Everything changed our plan that morning. That was get up early. Blind to Minneapolis meet John and my daughter Melinda and they go on up to northern Michigan for like a second Christmas with Miller kiss and then they were going to go back home. And we're going to take Johnny Burke on the Disney cruise so it was the day after Christmas and I had spent Christmas with but my sister Melinda in mother and if Lanna and after was flying to meet my dad passing family. We were GONNA go to Charlotte Michigan time. We'd at home but the plan was to meet any apple's so we were flying Minneapolis Got Off their plane and I can't remember someone handed me a note flight attendant or somebody they pulled me aside and said you need to call call home essentially pay phone and called my dad and he told me that Johnny Been Kidnapped and I think he I essentially we. Just this means that split-second decision why Denver that point after patsy discovered the ransom note claiming Jon Benet had been kidnapped. She called called nine one one. The police responded and so began the initial agonizing. Wait for the family well. I described the feeling to people. It's like when you're in a shopping center and you've got your small child with you and your rookie through clothing and look round gone. He had this desist. Hit My gut like my God. Where's bird or she go? Where did he go a star frantically looking and then you find him over in the next? I'll somewhere minutes later. I had that panic yet in the gut feeling all morning what do I what have I got to do to get her backed. It's cold out there. It's dark and I do whatever I'm capable of doing that we call the police immediately obvious to get her back. That was my the whole focus. What a helpless? I didn't know what to eat. Our can give blocked roads lead. Get pleased at the airport. I but the cops answer here. They know what they're doing. I I don't I don't should be done. But in retrospect they didn't have a clue what they're doing and I should'VE MM-HMM I should've I don't how would escalate it. But I should have called a friend of the governor's office. I should have done something to say. Look we got a major.

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"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

08:51 min | 1 year ago

"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"Documentation John Andrew A short time ago I mentioned earlier. That this podcast sees in many ways the father and sons crew sign an attempt to try and find answers to the brutal murder of their daughter and sister. He's the lesser known brother in this case Berko Veasley seemingly has the high profile as he was falsely accused. What can you tell me about John Andrew? Why he's Bane in the background? And how you and Matt and I want to ask Matt is able to convince him to participate in the killing of Jon. Benet the final suspects. Let me tell you what I know about John. Andrew Ramsay he grew up in Atlanta. He was a child Born born in John Ramsey's first marriage and it was John Andrew and his older sister. Beth John Ramsey's he's daughter. Beth unfortunately died in an automobile accident in Michigan many many years ago so that left John Andrew and his mom Tom in Atlanta. When John Ramsey took a job in boulder and they were divorced by them John John Andrew decided once he graduated from high school to go to the University of Colorado in Boulder and did go there so he was living in Boulder? When all of this happened As a at that point as a sophomore at the University of Colorado and as I said he expected the police to do their job he understood that a family is often in early suspect in the case which is everyone everyone knows is what happens and he knew that would happen but he knew that his family had done anything wrong at not killed a family member and you expected the police to do the right thing. He stayed however in the background. John Andrew is not the only sibling of the Ramsey family. Suffering from this was tragedy. He had a sister he had two older sisters Beck who died in a car accident and Melinda Melinda had a boyfriend Stuart Stewart and she had spent that Christmas with Christmas Eve and everything with Stuart in Atlanta Sheen. Gene Jenny Andrew. We're headed Christmas now. She's since married. Stewart and Has a family and to protect her children. Do not have the Ramsey name. She has remained quiet. I mean she has suffered. She has heard enough. She lost her baby sister. She watched her father and stepmother. They're accused she is hurt and she has remained by Pacini Andrew his sided. Now it's time to come out when I met with him. The first time He was almost apologetic to even think that he could have a voice in this story he said for years. He's always thought of this as a tragedy that happened to do Jon Benet but then secondly to patsy and John and Burke and he felt like he was outside of that circle And and I think it's taken him this long to realise that his voice may be the most important voice now because he was his brother and he does want to see the truth. Come out and he's just far enough removed that he he doesn't have where it can't be perceived that he has an agenda other than finding who killed his sister. It's been more than two decades of Hell Hell for John. Andrew Ramsay. He's participation in this. podcast proves one thing this is not a retelling of a very very tragic and sad story. It is as we promised to John and John Andrew an active investigation of the case. Not only that. We're very confident that this will be the most comprehensive investigation conducted since the flawed investigation from the Bulb payday now team when I want no stone unturned or no laid on followed I personally talk to one. Man Montero Doug Monteiro is the best investigator that I know. Monteiro has agreed to participate in this. And he's a veteran reporter here in the a New York newspaper saying Montero. What do we need to do as part of this investigation? We need to physically track. Some of these suspects down Get in their faces and confront them and see if during heated questioning that they at any point it will provide us with some sort of an answer as to whether they are responsible for this young girl's death and we need to get DNA Friday. You do that in the field and by field. I may not investigating ties the best way to do that is by conducting long hours of stakeouts waiting being for them to either drop cigarette on the floor or throw a cup of coffee into the garbage. Can it's really undercover detective. Work you and I have talked Montero about not just the names of the suspects but the categories they fall in like they're part of the pageant seeing the beauty pageants seeing. They were photographers. They did some John Benitez photography the other children photography in that group. Remember we they. What are the kinds of people were finding but are the crimes rhymes that some of these people have been accused of or convicted of? There is a pattern of behavior in a lot of these suspects that we're looking at Particularly a a few of them who were pageant photographers that have subsequently been arrested for some form of child pornography. Okay so Doug Watson step first step is to get on an airplane in Golden Colorado specifically the go-to boulder older and to check out. Knock on doors. Some of these suspects that are in boulder. Some of these suspects are another parts of Colorado bill and knock on their doors and also speak to the Ramseys to both John Ramsey and John Andrew Ramsay. I must say team. I think we're are in a unique position. He had find some answers with loose. Smith's list of suspects you all the team that put together the resources available to us and the advances in technology. Crucially for the Ramseys we are going to be able to either rule in and or rule out certain suspects and that is a giant step forward in unequipped. What the ball to pay day says a cult sky's not actively investigating it from the very beginning when the FBI did get called? They said that a child of six. It doesn't make how many enemies child of six of made the killing of Jon Benet. The final suspects is going to be partly procedural part murder mystery. Each episode will be a real life real time search for the truth and no one will escape scrutiny as we attempt to put right one of the modern ages most monstrous wrongs join us. And listen to the killing of Jon. Benet the final suspects narrated by me. Danielle Robie as we answer her enduring question. Who Killed Jon Benet Ramsey? The killing of Jon Benet. The final suspects is hosted by means Danielle Rowe Bay executive produced by Dylan Howard and Matt sprouse and is a production of broaden water studios and endeavor audio executive producers also include. Tom freestone Doug Genie. Susan Bennett James. Robertson Andy Tillett the series written by Dominic Button reporting by Doug Doc Monteiro. The series is mixed and engineered by Sean Kravis and Sam Ada. There is so much more to this story. And you don't WanNa Miss Anything. I can assure you subscribe. Subscribe to the killing of Jon. Benet the final suspects wherever.

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"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

09:59 min | 1 year ago

"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"An individual whose existence I began online under the pseudonym Jameson? What can you tell? Tell me about Jameson. Who she first of all and why did you get involved in this case is she is a housewife? A mother lives in a southern state and saw this story and it hit her. I hit her for personal. The reasons of which I don't really know all up immediately. She started blogging. On this case and people started to pay attention. She wondered if it was an intruder and or if it was the family members over time she came to know Lou Smit and others involved in the investigation and believe that intruder was responsible for it and has overtime collected a great deal of material. I think of her as the Encyclopedia of this case Doug. What was your first initiation to her? I first initiation was in nineteen ninety eight. She had been named by a professor at an Ivy League school as a possible suspect. In the case he had done some analysis of her writings and had come to the conclusion the very very very wrong conclusion that she was somehow a suspect in the case in we learned of this as I was doing a series of stories. He's on the case and I met with her for the first time in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight in Boulder Colorado and she told me in her story and we did her story sense then. I have used as a resource over the years. Time and time In time again and I too have traveled to her hometown and I to have set either in her whole or in a hotel room or the library uptown and looked at listened to and watched the things she's collected and it's remarkable what she's collected so not not only was she not the murderer but she became like you said the encyclopedia and Lou Smit would actually call her to fact check. Isn't that right and and John Ramsey still does. Yeah over that time you know a a blogger who's a bit anonymous at times and you wonder right I mean are they straight are they bending things are they twisting facts to a certain advantage. She she is a straight shooter. She's collected what she's collected from sources all over the country and people send her things. It's remarkable remarkable. What she gets in the mail and she tells you about it? She trusts you. loose-knit trusted her and they engaged in numerous conversations over the years and she visited him in Colorado and he trusted her. He trusted her so much that he add this valuable list of suspects and he gave her access to those to a spreadsheet. And that's what we're working with. Well I think it is finally time to on mosque jonassen. Let's give her a call Jamieson. I am isn't show. We know all the facts. The ramseys have been accused of this murder. Burke Ramsey has been falsely accused of this murder. There it was a witch hunt surrounding in my view John and Patsy Ramsey. But we're in a unique position. Now Jameson it's two two thousand and nineteen and we have access to new enhancements in technology. Dan Is it's very important in this case. Why is it? There is no innocent explanation or any foreign mail. DNA to be found on her body for on her clothes under her nails and especially not co mingled old with the blood spots from the sexual assault that were found in her panties. There's no innocent explanation for that. DNA to be in any of those places places. It does not belong to anybody in her family which means that someone who sexually assaulted her that day left their DNA there and it's important to find that person and it's also important to know that he nineteen ninety-six not only was Technology Bailey available to properly testimony of saint or. I suspect that mistakes by the ball deep payday meant it simply wasn't used to its full capabilities and now with the advantage and enhancements of DNA technology that we saw with the Golden State Killa and how that unsolved case this was solved. We're really in a unique position. We're in a great position because we know that there's more. DNA evidence that needs to be tested and what still needs to be tested in this case for DNA. Okay some of the items that were taken as evidence were sent to boaty and they sent them. I'm back and didn't test them. And they those items need to be brought back to the lab and retested using the better knowledge that we have. Are we going to get asked. But how are we going to get access to those well. One Way. We're not gonNA physically get a hold of these items which could include fluid. The garage The handled it was used as under garage. Which of course someone's hand was on? So why wouldn't you test that. We're not go and physically get a hold of that but loose Smith has a daughter and daughter along with some of his former colleagues are are trying to get those items tested. They sit with the Boulder Police Department. They are trying to pressure the Boulder Police Department into doing the right thing and getting goes critical items critical pieces of evidence tested. But why why were. They not tested twenty years ago. That's sounds crazy. It's a murder scene. They found enough. DNA to know that someone outside of the family was there and they have five more pieces of evidence that could have been tested and they just didn't do it. Oh that's that's an easy answer. They know who did it they gotten DNA back and the rams and family my good fit the foreign DNA. That was Jon Benet panties that stop anybody from believing that the family did it. No and they're they hit the information from the District Attorney's Office the Boulder Police Department at the report saying that. DNA belong to a foreign person person and they didn't tell the district attorney's office. They did not tell Smith they did not tell anyone. They hit that secret for months and months and months launch in to me. That's criminal in itself and I understand. I understand back then when they would probably embarrassed and they've already pointed the finger at the family and they they couldn't Sort of on. Go down that path but it seems like now there'd be a whole new group of people at the Boulder Police Department at at the DA's office. Why this minute let me? Just let me just say what everyone should be saying. If Lou Smith spreadsheet exists why why is the Boulder Police Department. Not doing what we're doing we're podcast producers. And we're left to do the research that they won't do. They told told me number one. They have other cases new cases and vital cases that they feel they can do better work on and and that's their priority number two the funding. They've spent so much money on the Ramsey case. They really don't have that much money three they. They don't feel that they can properly ever get a conviction in this case even if they find intruder they're always intruders lawyers gonNA stab Ab. They said the RAMSEYS did it. And so they don't feel that they'll be able to get an addiction. So why bother the thing that you need to note is the same people that have not solved this case. Twenty two years are the same people in charge same elites that were there day one day to day fifty day one hundred are still there in charts so they must have been like in their twenty like they must have just been starting their career back in ninety six ninety seven this you know. They hadn't been a murder in boulder. Oh to Colorado of a kid like this that will foreign to how to deal with these type of crowd a few days after the murder they bring in John Andrew Ramsay Ramsey. That was John Benitez older brother. He was a sophomore at the University of Colorado at the time they bring him into the Boulder police station. They put him in a room and he is hoping that now. The police are going to solve the murder. Sister to police officers come immune. He's sitting in the chair. They sit down. They hand him their cards. Their business cards police business cards one card. It says auto theft one card says narcotics. Neither of those cards say homicide and he thinks Oh my oh my God what's going.

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"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on True Crime Garage

True Crime Garage

04:45 min | 1 year ago

"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on True Crime Garage

"His kitchen window toward the Ramsey residents and observed that the upper for kitchen lights were on in dimmed. Low again. Another one of those things. It could mean something comed- nothing at all now. The the whereabouts of John Andrew Ramsay. This is John's son from his first marriage. His whereabouts will come into question so it is important for us to know here that between midnight and one. AM At least three people. Put Him at the home of Lucinda Johnson in Marietta Maryetta Georgia later. He is at another home again in Georgia. Just to be perfectly clear here captain these sightings things these alibis for John Andrew Ramsay are one hundred percent confirmed bright yet. There were actually cleared by the police which they haven't cleared a lot of people in this case for them to clear him that that's important and we have confirmation of people being with John Andrew Ramsay up until till eight thirty six. AM At one. Am Neighbors Andrew. Vermeer in Luke for mayor they went to bed. This is after watching movies. They say that before they went to bed all the way up to one. Am they did not hear anything unusual. They didn't see anything unusual. All everything was typical for that time of night according to boulder detective. Steve Thomas Neighbor Melody Stanton tune says she heard a scream between midnight and two am. This seems quite interesting to me but I do you want to take this a step further and point out that this same woman did say at the very early stages of the investigation that she had nothing to offer she did not want to get involved then later. She claims that she heard a scream. Between the midnight hour and approximately two a M. Yes yeah I heard I heard about. These screams is that they heard some screams multiple screens. Not just one but they heard multiple screens and thought. Okay yeah well surely. The parents of this girl are home because they she thought the screens were from a little girl that the parents are home. And they'll take care of this. That's why they stopped hearing the screams also around two. Am I WANNA point out that the whites regarding the activity at their friends flee in Priscilla White. Everyone including their guests are reported to have gone to bed by two am at five thirty. Am I'm John. Ramsey wakes up the family plan to get up early that morning because they were to fly to Charlevoix Michigan for a family vacation. Patsy patsy Ramsey got up quote a few minutes later while Mr Ramsey took a shower. Mrs Ramsay put back on the same outfit. She had on the night before she put on some makeup and she went down to the second floor and then went down the spiral stairs to the kitchen. Now well there's two different versions of this story. There is one that states that she went to check on Jon Benet on her way downstairs and Jon Benet. The name was not there right. The other story says that she went. She attempted to go straight down to the ground level floor now either way there on the spiral stairs. She found on a step near the bottom of the stairs. She discovered a handwritten note on three sheets of paper laid out side by side. The indicated that Jon Benet had been kidnapped. Patsy Ramsey told detective heart that she found a no at the bottom of the staircase at approximately five forty five. Am she says she read. Only a few lines stating being that Jon Benet was kidnapped but safe and unharmed and demanding one hundred eighteen thousand dollars for her return. Mrs Ramsay immediately screamed and then ran to check job as room which she found to be empty after hearing. Mrs Ramsay Scream. John Ramsey ran downstairs and met patsy Ramsey in the stairwell together they checked on Burke who appeared to be asleep in his room. John Ramsey then went downstairs to read the ransom. No he told Patsy to call the police. Nine one one logged the call at five fifty two you.

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"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on True Crime Brewery

True Crime Brewery

11:40 min | 2 years ago

"john andrew ramsay" Discussed on True Crime Brewery

"Between Patsy and this crime. We have a connection between Patsy and the ransom note and a connection between Patsy and the grat. Yeah. Although we don't have real confirmation of the ransom note yet that likely was written by Patsy just that the handwriting was kind of similar well and not even considering the handwriting the point that it was her notepad. Yes, you're right. And that there was a possible practice note inter note had so the detective had found the source of part of the murder weapon, and where it had been broken because the detective had touched Giannis body. Another technician collected her g. Jeans and black blouse. So it was important to take the clothing from the detective because fibers from her clothing would be used for limitation purposes against any fibers discovered on the body. But when you think of all the people and everything that happened. It really is a forensic nightmare. So whether doing this no one bothered to collect the clothing that had been warned by either the Ramseys and both of them had been in contact direct contact with John Benes body. I huge legal fight would ensue over the following months as police tried to get custody of their clothing. Particularly patsies red turtleneck sweater her black and red check blazer Andrew for coats. And they fought that. The Ramseys foot that like crazy long-time forever time. Separately, also canvas the neighborhood. There was an elderly couple of costs the street who said they had seen John Ramsey's older. Son in job as half, brother. John Andrew Ramsay at the Ramsey home on Christmas day on the afternoon of December twenty eighth nineteen ninety six police allowed entry to the house to one of. Patsy Ramsey sisters from Atlanta pay 'em paw. So that she could get clothing for. Patsy. John Burke to wear to jonbenet's funeral. Accompanied by detective, Mike Evert poss- pen hours making at least a half a dozen trips throughout that house to take a large amount of the Ramseys possessions out of the police car. So it's not like she walked in with the policeman and took two outfits out of the closet. She had collected. She had rain of that household. She was all over the place, and that police car was track a block full of possessions. So it's a huge mistake and police procedure because absolutely nothing should be removed from an active crime scene, especially still so early in the investigation. It's only been two days. So she never should have been given authorisation to even enter the home. The thing she removed included stuffed animals from Jon Benet bedroom. Dresses for Jon, Benet, tears has sports Bank records toys for Burke, clothing, jewelry, and credit cards minute. Almost feel like if I didn't know better. And I Don. Not necessarily know better that John Ramsey had something on the police department. Why are they letting this happen? The other thing. It sounds like the stuff. She took was things that had been directed for her to take. Ramsey ramsey. So Pam, I want you to go to our house and gathered these things all I can say that. But I'm just astounded that they were allowed to get in the house and take stuff. What about the passports when they stayed? They didn't. Yeah. Okay. Well, I guess we've really hammered home how the investigation was botched. I don't wanna keep beating a dead horse over that. So let's go over the possibilities in probabilities of how Jon Benet ended up dead in her basement. One theory focuses on Patsy is Jon Benet killer. It was rumored in the months leading up to her that Jon Benet had started to pursue her independence. And that she was testing the patients of her parents since Jon Benet suffered from some bed-wetting the theory is that Jon Benet had wetter self the night. She was killed and that was the last straw scenario for pets. So Patsy stressed in annoyed at having to cleaner up than physically attacked or structure. So it would be kind of an accident killing, but she actually would have killed her by your own hand in that scenario. She would've the chief coroner in medical examiner. Dr Robert brisy concluded that the cause of John McCain is death was strangulation along with a head injury that occurred shortly before Patsy could've impulsively hit shot in the head with a heavy object knocking her unconscious. So this injury was probably fatal. You said. Right. That's that's the impression and would have killed her. Okay. And Patsy maybe she was too frightened to take Shamanee to the hospital or call for help. So she chose to cover it up so Cording to this theory pets, he took the time to fabricate a false kidnapping in order to cover up what had happened. So the whose kid with serious head injuries, who's comatose probably dying. And so she pets he's going to cover up this accident. Per possibly accidental thing maybe not accidents. But but not meant to kill her. But the thing with that is I don't think that you hit a child that hard and less. You're already been abusive in the past. This is not a smack. Good porn. Well, who's who's the flesh -ly? They think. Well. Yeah. In that documentary? I was talking about they said that the flashlight fit exactly into the fracture of mini skull your. So he thought that was the probable weapon delivered with good amount of force. He yeah. But it was a heavy flashlight. So that's the theory, that's one theory. And then when you analyze the handwriting of the ransom note, John Ramsey was cleared, the possibility of having written the note, but Patsy could not be eliminated. So handwriting experts from the Colorado bureau of investigation concluded that the handwriting. Writing samples showed characterizations that the writer ransom note was none other than Patsy Ramsey. Yes. And we've seen this examination. It definitely does look like her handwriting or does and then possession and another word business where misspelled, but there were other more sophisticated words, I would argue that were spelled correctly. So it's like they're trying to throw the reader off. Yes, seems like that. But you know, it's really hard to write that much stuff. And hide who you are hide your your own writing tendencies, your own wording of things for in the book, we read the head of an expert a linguistics expert from New York who was testified that the syntax of the note was at sees. Yeah. Yeah. There were some things that indicated it was a female, right? There were a lot of things that indicated it could have been her also. The amount of the ransom which you mentioned briefly one hundred eighteen thousand dollars was pretty much the exact amount that John Ramsey had received his Christmas bonus from his company. So this suggests that the person who wrote the note head knowledge of this also typically kidnappers are greedy. And we'll demand a much larger some of ransom. Sure, the Ramsey's. John Ramsey who's worth millions. So it's kind of odd to the police anyway that whoever had written the note was demanding such a small ransom when compared to the wealth of the family. Yes. So let's touch upon the unknown intruder as the killer Lino, neither of us really believed that, but I think we need to touch upon it as a possibility because we don't know we don't. So the note was evidence that would suggest an unrelated kidnapper if you're taking it at face value. But the details, of course, didn't add up for investigators. The FBI stated that the leaving of nearly three page ransom note was something that had never. Been seen before an any other kidnapping investigation. Ransom notes usually very short and concise with just enough details to make their point particularly in this case. The the paper for the note came from paper in the house and the writing implement was from a pen in the house. Yes. So it's pretty much figured that the kidnapper or perpetrator wrote the note in the house. Yes. So if that's the case who's going to write a two and a half page note while you could be discovered it anytime lose other occupants in the house, I know expensively asleep. But who knows on what about the rough draft there the practice knelt? Well, it's not definitively rough draft trial just when you look at the total thing the noted self and those first few characters does suggest it was a practice note. Well, just imagine going to kidnapping and deciding that you're going to not bring. Your own note or even your own paper or pen. You're not gonna bring any weapons you're gonna use something that you just happen to find in the basement. And if you wanted to kidnap her why would you even go to the basement there'd made much easier ways to leave that house with her? The alarm system was not on it would have been difficult if gained interest to the house to that broken window. Well, very difficult. I've seen some reenactments trying to do it in. It's really very small. You can do it. But not without disturbing things that were there, this is gaining entrance. How about trying to exit with an unconscious child? He. Yeah. No. It really doesn't make sense. So to experts who ever had written that note had been trying to hide their educational background to make themselves appear is maybe they were foreign because it said foreign faction, and we know the police confirmed that there were no signs of forced entry on any of the doors or windows. Right. The broken window. Had been broken by John months before he's locked himself out of the house. That's right. Yeah. Broken that window to gain entrance to the house and never bothered to repair the window. So if it wasn't a family member it had to be someone who had a key or at least had access to make a copy of key. Also, the Ramseys they did have a burglary alarm system, but they rarely used it. Now, I can tell you from experience if I have an alarm system by God, I'm going to use it. Sure. Especially when you go to bed at night suckers on right when we're both here not here. And if you have two small children, and your that wealthy find it odd. Now early in the investigation Patsy suggested the possibility of the housekeeper remember as the suspect because the housekeeper headed keep at the house and Patsy recalled that in the months leading up to Christmas the housekeeper had asked for two thousand dollars from the Ramseys to help her pay her rent now another. Time. She said that the housekeeper made an offhand comment wondering if the Ramseys forever worried about someone kidnapping Jon Benet because she was such a beautiful child. But there was no evidence ever found that the housekeeper was a real suspect. I don't see someone asking to borrow two thousand dollars as someone who's going to kidnap a child and ask for a hundred eighteen

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