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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Combining traits

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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Combining traits

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Works and why it matters at your favorite bookseller. Thanks this is the orange. Black insider BAGELS podcast. Our weekly episode. I hope everyone is doing well. I am one of your host Anthony Kazan's and welcome to the program and flanked as usual by my co host. John Aaron John. I wish there was more to talk about this week. Manage just dead air as it concerns the Cincinnati bengals and the NFL right sarcasm aside one of your strongest centers. I've ever heard you. Have you commendable applaud you? It's almost like you're in a good mood right now as a bengals fan. Was that also sarcasm sarcasm aside because you're obviously uninteresting sarcasm. I do it again I could. I could I could say cut in. We can re. We could scrap it if it's not but anyway you're GonNa take me in one. Take Man I love it. I love it We'll welcome to the program. Everybody for those of you. Joining us live whether it's through since he juggled dot com the orange black insider youtube channel or since he jungles facebook. Page this You can join us. Live every episode there or as always you can join the program After the fact through a number of different audio platforms or the Youtube Channel as well so subscribed to the channels. Get notified when we go live and when new content is available we've had a ton of good content. I think recently our own John Cheer interviewed also Gail at pro football focus last week. We've got a couple of interesting things coming up from Matt Mimics Both in the film study area and an interview there so a lot of stuff. We've been bringing you a lot of stuff and this is kind of the time of year when everything's ramping up. Information rumors all that stuff because free agencies right around the corner as the NFL draft. John You you went to Columbus. Last week I was I was Buckeye Buckeye area. That reach well over there very cold in on like I feel washed for the first time in my life. And it's very sad to say that but like I came back. I noticeably had heartburn for the first time. This is not supposed to happen to me. I'm like only twenty three but I think I think I had my last vodka. Red Bull my life unfortunately so recipes. Okay all right well Energy drinks and vodka. I guess not be sponsoring Michaud anyway. we could be ass all night and we can Because there's just not much to talk about my friend again with the Sarcasm Anthony Look. We've we've been saying this for a really long time really over the past month since these rumors this hype. Anti Bangles hype machine that has been created from the lights. Mike Florio from profootballtalk and Dan Patrick from his own show maybe even rich. Eisen God in the fray CBS sports. I mean all kinds of people have been on this hype train that Joe Borough Does Not WanNa play in Cincinnati. He has made limited interview Appearances over the past couple of really over these past few weeks until of course the combine which kicked off this week. He got to the podium. A an immense amount of media members were there and low and behold John he dispelled all of the rumors with just a couple of quotes and one of them is saying. Look I want to be the number one pick I? It's every kid's dream I never said I never wanted to plant Cincinnati. You guys took that rumor and ran with it. Surprised at what he said not surprised your reactions. It's exactly what we should expect it in the same. Because like there's only there's only one tiny quote that people misquoted or misunderstood and it was the leverage comment and naturally for people who don't like to look at all the context and reread what they read it could be misconstrued in a way where he could use leverage but that was dispelled also at the combine where he Everyone who knew the situation knew he was talking about leveraging his twenty nineteen season into not working the comment which was also expected. He's not going to throw organic drills this week. He's going to save that for maybe his day but it doesn't matter because he met with the bengals there he met with. Mike Brown and everyone else that matter. They're they're essentially signing off on the pig. Everything now is due diligence. There's nothing more than borough needs to do. He everything that he needs to say. And it's really up to the media's job to interpret the right way because now they're dealing with concrete statements dealing with stuff where there is no extra concerts needed. He's saying things planned simple that everybody at least bengals fans in bengals writers knew about this. I guess the national media took a little bit longer and again I don't. I don't want to vilify menial. A lot of bingles pants wants to derive as their job is a lot harder than our job. They have to focus on thirty teams. Someone has focused on multiple sports. They only read the headlines that other people post they don't necessarily dive into the local media but this is why the local media so important because the athletic ESPN With them baby pulled Energy Energy Morrison for the athletic Bend baby free as Peon Us since we've done a great job of diving into this a little bit. More indepth nationally has been doing. That's why there's value into that because sometimes you can get lost in some of these hosts read on on these national websites. And that's where all the stuff from profootballtalk Kinda comes from so it was good for all this to be aired out but unfortunately it's not going to be completely over because there are so narratives from the. Jenas for these guys to push. Unfortunately it just becomes worse now because there is actual concrete evidence out there that should dispel all this bs out there but there was never anything to worry about now. Officially nothing to worry about there is officially nothing to worry about. But it's still so funny to me. John that some of these folks that have been trying to push this. I don't know if you WANNA call it an agenda or whatever you WANNA call it even the walk Bax. They weren't even full walk. Bax they were. They didn't want they didn't even want to say I was wrong or it was surprising to hear him. Say that. But you know it is what he said. I mean if you listen to something from Mike Florio it. Basically was he had an interview with. I think it was Keenan Singleton of local media and he even he was kind of like. Hey I had my reasons for for saying this and Blah Blah Blah and. They weren't even great reasons that he didn't kind of I mean I didn't expect an apology or anything. It was just kind of like the walk back. Wasn't even like Hey I was wrong here. You know I. It's just in even after. He said that I think it was pardoned Pardon the interruption or with Kornheiser and Wilbon. I think there was more chatter there the same day it just was like what But as we all can now take a deep breath and relax if you weren't relaxed already Joe. Borough has basically stated that. Yeah he wants to go number one overall. Yeah he's fine if it Cincinnati takes them it just depends on the situation and he kind of explained his leverage common in a number of other comments that he made as you mentioned there. John the other is the bengals met with him on Wednesday. We don't really know the details as you know the INS and outs of that interview or that. Sit Down but One is inclined to think that it went well. The team also met with two attacker by Loa On Tuesday so they had a sit down with him. I'm obviously doing their due diligence. So kind of going through some news notes on that front you know I it to came out and said Hey I'd be stoked to number one. It doesn't matter who so. He's kind of dispelling that as well. The other big thing with Joe Borough. At least John is the hand. Size thing Hand Gate so he measured in with nine inch hands. I get if you were to kind of do your what your tippy thump to. Actually your pinky right. That's how they measuring the hand size that is on these smallish side. How much does this factor into his bill? I mean his ability to throw the ball his ability to be an NFL quarterback all of these things that get scrutinized at this point or is this simple paralysis by analysis. So I jumped at the opportunity to write about this. Have something about this on since jungle explains why this isn't that big of a concern. People WANNA make it out to be the thing with like measurements in terms of like body measurements for the full physical profile As the IT only matters if it doesn't pass a certain threshold and I I like to quote inside James Coburn Alive. When it comes to this type of stuff. He does a lot of football Deals of market share in density based athletic at Density based ATHLETICISM and. He also has gone back in seeing. You know what measurements are required to to typically turn out High-quality careers came the hand size for quarterback nine inches is like the minimum threshold in. You don't get bonus points for having attended and like I. It's just like the bench. Rest you some some physicians. Typically you would like to see players. Hit a certain number of reps on the bench but having a large bench. Press doesn't really do you any favors. Elsa four reps in the bench obviously that that functional training didn't translate with quarterback's hand sizes. It's really only a problem if it has shown the been a problem in the past in his twentieth starts. Lsu Joe Borough from the ball five times in just in Herbert's forty-three Starts Oregon. He Fumble Twenty six times Justin Herbert measuring tenants hands. But nobody blinked tonight because those are big hand sizes and you would think theoretically the your hand is the hardest to fumble the ball the hardest for the ball the flutter out of your hands the harder it is for defensive ends to strips. It wasn't a problem at Lsu. You know it's not GonNa be a problem in Cincinnati in even harsher conditions. I think Mike Renner of pro. Football Focus asked Zac. Robinson used to work at pro football focus. But now is the assistant quarterbacks coach for the rams he's Robinson also at nine a chance so we asked him what what really gave him troubles with that size and he said it wasn't really the cold for him was really more humid weather and believe it or not. You know borough play must've teams in a in a swamp in Louisiana. So it's it depends you know base based on who the quarterback is. What is going to give trouble with limitations? Obviously Teddy Bridgewater glows because he had pretty small hands. Networks Ram us. Don't accurate pass with that Patrick. Mahomes and Jimmy Garoppolo display in the super bowl. Both those guys thing nine and a quarter Inch Hands Ryan. Tannehill has like nine inch hands to your chance Colin Kaepernick at nine one eighth in chance. carve out varying levels of success in the NFL. It's not it's not a hindrance if it wasn't a hindrance in college in it's nothing to be worried about Joe Borough. I agree and I think that the look the combine is often. It's it's a tool in the direct pre-draft process that allows teams to go back and look at film on guys for various reasons and some of that is. Hey you know this guy measured a certain way. Did he play that way or he ran this past. What was it like on tape? How does that translate on tape or a guy who has an excellent workout? Maybe an under the radar guy. We gotta go back and look at this guy. Maybe we missed something In in our in our film review or you Kinda if you tend to overanalyze a player you say. Let's just you know what let's go back and look at the tape if the tape is successful if he's shown great success on tape despite maybe a perceived shortcoming like these small midst that burrows supposedly has. You know I I think I think teams would go back and say look you know. Let's rely on the tape. Let's rely a little bit more on some of the eye tests stuff that we see in even Somewhat live because some of these calcium live so. I think that that's part of the pros and cons with the combine. John is at you know. Sometimes you get a little too nit picky and other times though. It costs you to go back and look at at certain players to say. Wow this guy actually shows more on tape. The second time around the answer is analytics are now matching up to what we see on tape People want players with the full athletic profile. They want whatever looks the best on paper. They want these guys to excel at every drill conceivable. They want them to be big the one to be fast one of the look the part. And that's all fine and Dandy. That's that's that's natural when when in reality you know what matters in terms of fuss various by different positions for example for pass catchers for running backs receivers tight ends for at least. We're running backs wide receivers. You don't really need to be an all around athlete to have to have a successful career factual receivers. You really need one. Above average athletic trait like Cooper Cup is is a great example of this where he ran like a four seven forty he had minimal explosions also very small. And when when you put this. You put that speed no exposure compared to his density. They were you know twenty percentile but he tested very well in the agility drills in in terms of three short show he'd show to be a flexible athlete and that's where he wins like. He is shifty runner that can you know create separation underneath with sudden quickness whenever that's where he wins the Chad Johnson gently? It wasn't a great all around athlete but also he also had slightly above average flexibility. That's where he wanted to route runner. All around US matters more for For Defenders in the I think they'll This it's much. It's much easier for defenders to get exposed in space whereas if the lack explosion if they lack sideline to sideline speed. If they can't change direction they can get more easily exposed to these pass catchers. They really only need to win. In one way like there is some receivers who win just with speed or early summer. Any maxine win just with explosions as those one cutbacks. For Defenders it's more important to have that all around for this and I think that's the context that has missed a lot with the combine. Where they worry about some of these guys don't have these great all around athlete profiles when in reality. It's just some traits matter more for others than than others and I think the main thing that we as a community need to recognize is that at Does matter often sublime it and I think the bengals are also good example of this whereas they didn't have the athletes to run the scheme. They want to run. They didn't have the athletes that can block in space that can get out in space on these lateral movements in the zone scheme. In as a result they had the chance to blocking scheme entirely for athletes. Frost tackles. You need to have explosion you. You need to have a speed. That shows up on the forty yard dash to get down space and pass protection regards need to have explosion to get out into the second level and the same goes for centers so I think as time goes on the more information comes out about why atlas matters for for some traditions more than others. We start to get a better understanding about why some players bust and why some players succeed. Even though they weren't these you know they didn't necessarily go to schools. Maybe their table isn't as good as some other guys to combine in itself as a confirmation. Asus where it's like teams have gener- idea about what players athleticism is not on tape. And then you look at the numbers and they see okay. Does this match up with my initial priors and if not what did I miss on tape and also just having that context but what matters. And what doesn't matter? I think can help us make better decisions. I know obviously not every decision maker in evaluator has fully adopted this understand because still relatively new but I think the more that we understand the more we can look at some picks in recognized have bus potential or not. Yeah I agree with you. I think that Just of more big picture look at the the burst in acceleration of a lot of positions Whether that in in you know you kind of mention your ten yards splits right that sort of thing. Your your cone drills Sometimes the vertical jobs the the long jumps those types of things for specific physicians. Are The things that you WANNA look for And the things that really can translate well for a lot of different positions. So I think in that respect Those are some of the areas you need to look at as the Bengals Make their evaluations and really again. It seems that borough is. They're sold on borough being their diet rightfully so and I don't think regardless of this measurement in how it's being a little bit overblown of his hand measurement that is. I don't think that affects the way they think about him. I think they're gonNA see what they see on tape. They know what they know about him by now and he guy so and just real quick got Because we talked about that meeting there was an article that Jeff Hobson put up. Like right after I guess the meeting happen. And he had this little quote that WanNa read out during the eighteen minute interview session borough looking more and more like he could be. The next franchise. Quarterback reportedly had engaged giving take with everybody from bengals president. Mike Brown head coach Taylor. Dr Play Personnel. Do Tobin offense coordinator. Brian Callaghan one club. Official not among that group said it was the best interview that he ever attended so the Definitely a good impression was made some well. That's that's good. That's good in the obviously did did him? Some favors also kind of saying the right things. When in the large media spectrum asked about the bengals getting getting drafted there or whatnot. You know there was another a little bit chatter from a guy who does not really speak highly of the Bengals often in Collin cowherd on his show and he kind of he kind of mentioned some things about it wasn't really necessarily to burrow. But you know you kind of mentioned you talk about Vince. Young and odd throwing motion and the wonder lake stuff in those are those are the other metrics. I think you WanNa you WANNA look at the Wunderlich at least when it comes to quarterback and when you say the reason I say that is when you talk about the interview being a Stellar Interview. Supposedly with borough that usually bodes pretty well in terms of you know the Wunderlich staff the football. Iq staff just a guy who gets it right. I mean it's it just presents well especially for the most important position on your team. So that that's That's I appreciate champion with that John with that being said by the way before we get to this apparently are the facebook Lake is not working very well for some reason. We're looking into that. I'm not really sure. Why that's occurring. It could be a facebook issue The video is up there but I guess it cuts out so I apologize to those of you trying to see us via facebook for this particular episode. But we'll work on that getting fixed if you are trying join us on Youtube. Live or catch the show after the fact if you're able but this brings us. John to our sound of the Week. We've been kind of doing these somewhat frequently infrequently whatever but this is this was brought to my attention from someone within the Jim Rome show. We've played another quote. A soundbite recently in the form of Carson Palmer talking about the Cincinnati Bengals. But we've got another one in one is a bit more flattering from a media guide. That has been pretty. Flattering at least more flattering to the Cincinnati. Bengals overall over the years than most in Addis Pete Prisco of CBS Sports. He was recently on the Jim. Rome show talking about Joe Borough Cincinnati Bengals. Andy Outlook there. In terms of you know the is the sky the limit. I guess With Jogo going to Cincinnati. So we're going to play that for a day right now talking to be presto now pete this morning show. Perot said that he does want to be the number one pick did he would play for the bengals. What do you make of that fit for him in Cincinnati? All I think the Great. I talked to him off the podium for a little while and he's got that edge to walk from your quarterback I mean he he's not you know a guy that's going to back down from the challenge. He's been involved in a bunch of 'em over his life trying to get to where he was last year when he went to Lsu and he when he went to Lsu it wasn't a great program football standpoint and look what it became. So I think he'd up Ford. I think he's looking forward to it down the road from his home and they have a good situation for young quarterback eight green. We'll be back whether it's a new deal where he gets tacked. They had tyler boys a good number two receiver. If John Ross can never stay healthy and the in run. It helped them. Then you look at the offensive line. Jona Williams is coming back to play left tackle. That's like an extra draft Joe. Mixon was phenomenal. The second part of the season last year if the good situation for a young quarterback so I mean I. I think a lot of it's kind of held that sentiment John. Quite quite a while but I again. It kind of is nice to see a national media guy seeing getting through the weeds a little bit in seeing some of the The light at the end of the tunnel if you will to use multiple metaphors and it's not like Joe Borough is coming in a coming into situation. We know what the ownerships like we know. What management issues are like we know some of the shortcomings in the Scouting Department? All of that stuff but there is talent there. He's not coming to it absolutely dry. Roster Yeah and PRISCO can act like a saddled with get off my lawn Lot but he's always been on the Bengals I especially. When they had that playoff success he was always a guy that appreciate it will. Andy Dalton did but you know the the whole thing about this narrative is that like people wanna defend that the fact that the Bengals have had success in Bengals have good roster and that's never really been the real issue the real root problem PRISCO did a good job of explaining why not because for the most part for the past four years. They have been successful. Not because of the things around the quarterback but because of the quarterback play itself and also defensive coaching issues as well. But I mean you know like we always say win healthy this rosters pretty good surrounding a quarterback hasn't really gone away even with some drafting issues. So yeah like Green is going to be back at least for one year. Joe Mixing still here. The offense launch should be a little better with John. Lewis back in like broke coming immediately and have much more success than compared to going into like Washington Jacksonville or Other seems right and I. I didn't really necessarily for those. Who saw on either think it was bengals dot com. I think John. You had relayed some of these quotes on CINCY JUNGLED DOT COM. I didn't really like to Tobin's answers Terms of these criticisms where we're twelfth and winning and in this I mean. Yeah that sounds. Nice in some respects but your goal should be that that that that he should kind of. Put a feather in your cap about you know. We're we're top half of the league year over. You WanNa try and be the best. I mean it just it just Kinda came off a weird way to me but maybe I'm picking nits there. I do WanNa talk a little bit before we move onto the combine and some of the players and whatnot that we'll be watching one aspect you touched on it Pete. Prisco touched on at AJ Green being back with the Cincinnati bengals. Zack Taylor in his press conference at the at the combine basically said as much we want. Aj Greenback your. I mean I know there's some cons to it overwhelmingly. I would say there's pros but Arrow were. Were you shocked that he came out? Today we want were doing will begin to get them back in. He's not going anywhere not not too because I think if you read the tea leaves in You. Read the writing on the wall like this was almost inevitable by the reports have been at the worst case. Scenario is going to get tagged. I don't think the bengals would have danced around this during the trade deadline about you know standing ground non Entertaining offers if they weren't going to bring him back in some capacity like there's no way they look at you know the the career the degree has had here in all the things that he's done and let him hit the open market like the the value him enough where they will be. They will be willing to pay about eighteen million for for one year. Under the franchise tag at least use that as a cool to give more time to come up with an extension because at the end of the day this is this is a tricky This is a tricky long-term financial decision that they have to make because for as much good. He's going to be thirty two in July. He's only played nine games in the past two years and it was a questionable or or not the return on investment of whatever deal they give is going to be met by the end of by the end of it. I think for sure they want him around for more than just one year of birth career but they have to think about what's best for the for the team in the in their minds. They have to set aside some money for Joe Mixing. Maybe another extension here in the summer. So like they obviously want green back and they're gonNA get him back at some capacity but this just gives them more time to iron out the real question of whether or not he'll be here in twenty twenty one right right and I think some people in the live youtube chatter. Echoing the sentiment here. But you know I think I think in terms of developing. You're young quarterback giving him a veteran presence at wide receiver is is a good move. I mean the last that you lose. Aj Green all of a sudden wide receiver kind of becomes a big priority in the draft or in free agency probably more so in the draft. Because I mean if you're not gonNA pay. Aj Carina Free Agency. Why would you go? I would understand that logic. But I I I think it. Just it. Opens up the draft. More for you It at least immediately. A gives your franchise quarterback a veteran presence in a guy who is a borderline fame player. Right away is just the right move. It might be a little more expensive than most people want to swallow. But you know I. It's it's the right move. And there are risks to it especially depending on which route to go whether it's just the franchise tag or a longer term deal. There are risks because of the injuries but overall I think I think the pros outweigh the cons here. So another little tidbit. We wanted to throw in there with the sound bite of the week. Courtesy of the Jim Rome show an Briscoe of CBS sports. We hope you enjoyed. This is Dave Fox. I'm a senior editor at vulture and I host the podcast. Good one a podcast about jokes. It's a podcast about well jokes. Every week I sit down with a comedian comedy writer director who lives to one of their jokes and figure out how it all came together. I don't sit down with pen in the head and physically write down everything I just has not my style turns out comedians. Take jokes pretty seriously. I like all jokes. Okay that's what I do. 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I should say because we've talked a little bit about the in whatnot. Let's talk about some guys that we are pretty interested in seeing how perform it at the underwear Olympics right? I mean as Mr with this is in like like we said there is. There is quite a bit of stock to taken some of these performances. There's also kind of overreaction piece to the combine but really to be quite honest I would think that the interview portion is one of the most important facets to this sitting down and getting to know these kids is a big deal but there are other facets and other things that teams look for specific glares at specific positions. How many do you want to run down here? Do you WANNA do like three to five. What do you what do you think? Let's keep it clean three. Okay Joy. Kick us off our. I'm going to start at the linebacker spot. But not a guy that is probably going to be topped depict and Cam Brown from Penn State. He was a guy down the senior bowl that just a physical specimen person. He's six five two thirty I think he measured in somewhere around that the mentions But you know you think okay. Big linebacker kind of fits. The old mold of what a linebacker used to look like but honestly on tapis pretty fast yet measuring six five two thirty three thirty four inch arms. Eight eight inch wingspan. He's only twenty one years. Different points you into April but honestly forgot that size. You don't expect them to move as well as he doesn't space in these very actually. Very fluid Clean hips that. Can Roller side ends of the senior But obviously the F. size that Helps coverage as well. I think pro football focus compared to Bobby Okri who was mid Pixel of Coleslaw. Last year ended up being their highest grade rookie. Linebacker of last year's class. I think with bengals specific up session. The prosecuting drafting linebackers. When they completely rebuild this but in Brown could be the guy that depending on how tests could be available in the fourth fourth fifth a fifth round range would they could have be an extra pigging there but if he has a good week which yummy. He's definitely explosive fast on tape. And he's got fluid hips. He could skyrocket up the board. Beat become a top one hundred player where the Bengals. If they like them enough would have to take him. Maybe be the first linebacker they do. Take but in terms of size athleticism. He's a nice bet to bet on in terms of trains lead into next level. You just really have to put it all together but this is that you know he can shine more than others especially in a linebacker class that does not have a lot going on in terms. Middle Rounds Today. So I'm GONNA prefaces have said this a bunch of times. This is a draft. That could very well be a meat and potatoes draft aside from Joe Borough for the Cincinnati bengals lines linebackers. You know that sort of thing. Really bolster that kind of stuff depending on what they do in free agency but I you know offensive defensive line linebacker those positions. I think they'll address in probably multiple times during the April draft. That being said the combine is often showcase at least the eyepopping stuff for skill position players. So that's kind of where I'm going to focus a little bit more your defensive backs your tight ends your wide receivers. You're running backs that sort of thing. Those are the guys who run the fastest. They look the best in in these uniforms. If you WANNA call him that and you know they kind of looked like the beasts A lot of times in these workout. So that being said I'm going to go with a guy That we haven't really talked about and we're trying to avoid by the way we're trying to avoid some of the players that we have not spotlighted trying to avoid players. We have spotlighted on on our prospect watchlist. So we're trying to go a little different route here so that being said I'm GonNa look at one of the guys going to keep an eye on wide receiver Jalen and it's Ranger. I think Based on his twitter account he he let everybody know how to pronounce his last name. He said it's ranger Which is a pretty awesome last but comes to five eleven to six. Thirty one and three eighths inch arms nine and a half inch hands not overly big guy seventh so far. Seventeen reps on the bench press. I'm just curious to see how he runs and curious to see how some of these things timeout because this is such a loaded wide receiver class. This is such a wide receiver class. And I think that unfortunately fair or unfair for some of these guys these these workouts this week at the pro day are actually going to say a lot as to where they go because this is one of the deepest wide receiver classes we have seen a launch. We talked about Michael. Pittman junior the kid from USC. He's got the size housing. Iran. This kid doesn't have the size but he's not a lot of tools. He's got a lot of shifting. He's got a little toughness to seems to be a really interesting player. He's out of TCU OBVIOUSLY NFL DOT COM says his NFL. At least landseer line says Curtis Samuel is his NFL comparison. Take that for what you will. But I am really curious to see and by the time we get to this weekend went out. We will no more. But I'm really curious to see how he performs in these test because he's a guy they're going to need some of these guys to end up rising up with the CD. Lambs in the Jerry. Judy's in that sort of thing and we know from guy that's currently on the bengals roster John Ross how he ascended in the draft because of his forty time and whatnot. It's not just going to be the forty time it's going to be the splits in the comes and all that kind of stuff. But he's a guy. I am very interested in seeing. I know we talked about. Aj Green being back for probably back in the fold teams going to get back out and taped from injured reserve. They're gonNA have Tyler Boyd. But they need a little more sizzle to that group. This could be a guy they look at it could be you know could be a day to guy absolutely With how deep that position group is Rangers. Seem like a guy depending on how he tests could be available at thirty three. And that's why that is going to be so valuable As trae pieces while even if he's not there I'm going to go towards the offense the line a little bit here in a Matt pert out of Yukon I I was kind of intrigued with him before the combine. Those kind of curious how he's GonNa measuring you measured in six six. Almost six seven three eighteen. Thirty six five eighths arms eighty six and a half inch wingspan. So the do is go. Go go go gadget like I know into I know. Andrew Thomas had a lot of With his with his way I think you have thirty six arms. A three inch wingspan. So is actually a little bit bigger than on this end. That definitely shows up on tape but the thing about what I wanna see that at uconn. His tape is pretty solid in terms of just clean pass protector guy who gets out in space pretty quickly. A guy who can mean a lot of Pretty quickly but also with the being Yukon you know even though it is in the American they place some really good football. They play some proof opponents. You WanNa see if athleticism I is it. Actual real life is not stands the test of these other power five guys in stands the test of NFL averages for they often cycle position. Or is it. Just look a lot more because the guy who's going up against just can't really do anything about it. And he has light fee for a guy that size that's the length less than In obviously there's a lot of rawness to his game he's not gonna be able to start immediately but I wanna see if the athletes isn't that we think is there on tape actually is actual tangible that matches up with the NFL averages for his side. Because all you do all he really has to do. Tests on average at an average pace with that size when you know compared to his overall density they're gonNA come out with really listen scores for the offensive tackle position. He's got the lengths got the size. He's got the athleticism like that's a guy that the bengals could take in the mid rounds as development option at the table at the tackle position because I think unfortunately for a lot of bingles bengals expectations. They're not going to probably be looking at drafting. A starter in in this draft class at offense attack will but it will definitely check boxes in the size and maybe athletism forget can develop behind a Bobby Hart. Abbas going to save my next guy for laughs but also kick it off because a couple of our listeners are talking about him in our live Youtube Chap Ryan Kramer Will Smith Clyde Edward Solaire. I would be remiss if I didn't go with another Lsu guy because I am of the belief that the Cincinnati bengals will probably get. While I don't know about probably but they they will be thinking about grabbing a guy. In which Joe Borough is comfortable I? I just think that. They're going to try and placate their franchise quarterback they did that in different ways with Carson Palmer. I think they're gonNA look at maybe getting a guy who has a report already with Joe Borough. I don't know if that's going to be Clyde. Edward Solaire because running back currently isn't on the upper pecking order of needs. A team may see him in all of a sudden he's a day to pick in. That would kind of be a waste for the Cincinnati bengals if they use a running back a pick a running back in day to I think he day three makes sense for the bengals. But I'm just GonNa say this for the same reasons about Ranger I wanna see how he runs. I WanNa see all of that. I wanted I want to reiterate the state of the bengals running back group right now. Joe Mixing is in a contract year. It sounds like he's going to get an extension for better for worse than people hate that idea. Some people like it but he is a contractor. Geo Bernard just signed a deal. But you know there's talk of maybe him being cap casualty. I don't see that happening but it could be. It could be the case. You've got one one guy coming off of a devastating knee injury in the preseason any trayvon Williams who had minimal impact as a rookie there so there may be a crease in there for a guy like Edwards layer to join the Cincinnati bengals. I still find it doubtful. He comes in at five seven two seven nine five inch hands and twenty nine inch arms really you know. I see Devante Freeman as as his protocol by by some icy Maurice Jones drew. I just see a guy who brings a load a guy who brings multiple dimensions in the in the game. And I think we're where he's GONNA. Wow it's not gonna be necessarily the forty time. It's not going to be some of those things I think it's GonNa be some of these drills that you see catching the football and you're going to see him do different things that they ask running patterns and stuff at the combat. I think if he participates in those types of drills. You're GonNa see some things where you're you're GONNA say. Wow this is a very versatile guy. And if he's used correctly it could be a big piece four a team depending on how they WANNA use him but I am very very interested to see how he performs at the combine according to the draft. Never been so like he was the by far the best guy he interviewed at the podium of well-spoken guy in borough has nothing but praise them. Did you know though that there was a coach who wanted to see a wide receiver? I think I know where you're going with. This continue not like that. I'm just saying that's ridiculous if you've watched anything about himself the Show like bomb clues some of these guys out as you remember. The bengals tried to do that. A couple of times with previous guys That were on their roster. They tried to convert them into different positions or whatnot. But I mean I five seven. I don't know how I mean. Twenty nine inch arms like what you expect them to do out there like as a running back and he's a damn good one. I think I think PF coined the Ray Rice comp. Which I guess is kind of a good one. Yeah yeah on your feelings on him. But I'll be off off the ratio drew. Ray Rice devante writing. Those are all I think pretty legitimate comparisons. If they didn't have mixed I would love to target him but Moving on I'M GONNA go back to the defensive side of the ball. One of my favorite cornerback. Since classes jalen Johnson at a UTAH Just from a production standpoint. He account for a lot of. Utah's not only passive. Flexing sold tackles and those are two of the most important production metrics to look at when predicting future success at the position. He's also I think. Fourth or fifth rate cornerback Has a great on? Now is a lot of varying degrees about where he is expected to go. Unfortunately though he played through most of twenty nineteen with a torn labrum is actually going to have that surgery to repair that after the columbine but luckily random we're we're going to get to see him tests fully at really. WanNa see how his hips looking in terms of just onfield drills and Al his three Measures up because I think that's really the one glaring weakness with his ear and he's a very physical quarterback. He finds the ball a lot of times in the Air Iran. A lot of William Jackson regard where he's just he's just a you know the same size about six foot one ninety five and U utilize length. Pretty well in both press coverage and he's pretty physical as well and be able to find the ball but sometimes you know his hips. Get a little bit too tight. And he's not able to turn a field but everything else around game is really solid as a student of the game. I think there was one game where he had like interception in he was asked about and he said well read. I just memorize his coverage from film study and I broke on really quickly so instinctually. It's there. It's really just a couple of questions with his athletic. Profound combine is a chance for him to release solidify any of those concerns or if not he becomes the stage who target for the bengals. Because Eh cornerback. You have questions with drinker Patrick. If if he's going to be covered or if you stain you obviously have the free agent question of dark was nerd. And with William Jackson have to wonder you know what are the talks with him being extended are they potentially GonNa let him test the market? It's almost like a sneaky need wide receiver. There's a lot of uncertainty in the future in because this is such a great cornerback class. There's going to be a lot of guys leg Johnson in that day to conversation so all really wanna see how he handles the agility testing whether or not. That's a at the box checker events. A Red Flag to signify. That's really good. Window saw him from from Utah. Good good player now. Very intriguing guy I am going to go. I'm going to stick with offense. They do have a bonus when that will talk briefly about. But I'M GONNA stick with offense and I'M GONNA go. Maybe I'll win some friends in the Ohio area with Adam trautman. The did the tight end for Dayton. Six five to fifty five thirty two five eighths inch arms nine and a half inch hands so far as we sit here on Wednesday recording. The show. Eighteen reps on the bench press pure athlete. Pure pass. Catching guy needs work. He's a project but if you get them in the right system if you know how to use a guy like that if you find ways to get him the ball in certain situations red zone third down he could immediately be very effective guy. This is this is the type of player that has nothing to lose when it comes to to the combine small school guy. Expectations are low. There's a little bit of buzz about him you know. Could he do something if he doesn't well you know he's a project Guy Anyway? So whatever if he blows the roof off of Lucas Oil Stadium. All these doing is raising his draft stock. I think this is a guy you're going to see probably go regardless of how we does At the combine indies. A little higher than people. Think there's probably going to be a successful teams have has a late pick in a round that you know. Maybe he has an established quarterback Green Bay New England. I know they've got Tom Brady not in the fold yet. But you know he's going back there a team like that. That needs a pass catching target a big weapon. I think he you know you could see a team like that. The bengals may also want a younger more durable replacement for Tyler Reifer and this would be a guy that they could look to to fill that void. They were not great at times in the red zone last year. And some of the reason why they target the tight ends which doesn't really kind of contradicts what I'm saying about the Bengals taking. But regardless maybe they didn't have the faith or they didn't have the guy out there that they wanted in. This could be a guy that they use. I like this kid. I'm really interested to see how it runs performs drills and as we all know the tight ends at least physically looking at the combine they are the most the most imposing specimens Out there as as they work out at the combine so that is one of the guys I am going to look at one bonus guy. I'm going to go too far into but I am interested in Antoine Winfield. Junior kind of interested to see how he does some mixed opinions. Especially if you kind of do the mock drafts and stuff you know. He's he's a guy who's air in the third fourth round sometimes fifth round that sort of thing sometimes he's upwards at the set being picked in the second round so a lot of different opinions about him might be a guy that if he if he shows that he's a bit more fluid in these drills than he did it at certain times on tape. It could help him be a solid day to pick so that is another guy of out. Keep an eye out yeah. Gopher trump will not leave the second round. I'll say that right now I I will I will. I will put money on that He was he was at times the best receiver in general the senior bowl he was so fluid that size and I think one of the things he said at the common was that I rather I rather like throw key blocked in actually catches. So he's got the George killed type. Mindset the coaches are GonNa Fall in love with well but as long as he tests at least average rate at that size. He's not leaving the top sixty. I'll say that right now. Yeah it's It's a fair bet. You know he's. He's kind of been a riser. You know I know. He lit up the senior bowl. Like you said so You Know He. He translates that to the combine in it. It could be sky's the limit for this kid. That's going to do it. At least for guys. We will be watching. Of course we watching other guys too but these are some of the guys at the top of the heap that will be watching a lot of different position groups. I'm seeing a lot of comments about. We need to wait on tight end. What about drew sample? I I know I know but you can never have enough ask catchers especially at the tight end position where you create mismatches in you have a security blanket for your new rookie quarterback. That's just my opinion. This is the orange black insider bengals. Podcast HE's John Anthony Costanza. We've been talking. Nfl Combine. We've been talking about Joe. Borough dispelling the rumors that he does not want to play for the bengals. He publicly said that he also met with the team as to attack. Ovalles Loa and do Tobin Taylor. All kinds of others other bengals figureheads have been giving us all kinds of Nice soundbite. Nuggets at the combine. They combine will be going through this week and weekend as players continue to workout so keep it to NFL network. They'll be obviously feeding the masses feeding the masses the combine coverage so. Check it out there. I'm sure we will all be somewhat glued to the underwear Olympics occurring in Indianapolis so check that out John. It's time to drop the MIC and get Outta here. What do you. What do you want to say on your on your exit? It's been a long in crazy season for bengals fans I think with the season turned out. How a lot of draft stuff kind of entered? The conversation will earlier than we wanted to. And it's just interesting. How this media circus kind of United Bengal fans says a rally defense towards the national media attacking their nature whatever but the receipts do exist. And I remember all of you. Guys who want to chase younger Joe Borough and I will not forget so. Yeah there you go I I was thinking this may be would have been better timed last week when I initially thought about going off about it. But it's really kind of a shame for the bengals fans that I mean. They've longtime bengals. Fans of Edmundo are a lot a lot of heartbreak. A lot of poor seasons that sort of thing you endure a poor season with a new coaching staff last year in a nets. You you kind of say okay. Well you know what just just be bad and get the number one pick and just hit the reset but right and instead of kind of enjoying the process being able to enjoy the process of getting one of the most hyped up quarterback prospects in recent memory Probably Andrew Luck. Maybe maybe even since the manning brothers you have to endure this talk about the guy doesn't WanNa play here it is WANNA play. Cincinnati doesn't want to play for the Bengals the Bengals or trash organization that sort of thing and it's not just poor US bengals fans poor who day nation. It's also poor joe burrow because he gets up to the interview stands. Ask these questions. And he's like what are you guys talking about? I don't even know where you're coming up with this kind of stuff. I have never said that my family has never said that has never come from my camp. I don't know where you're coming from with this. And instead we've had to kind of use the time where we should be like ramping up for the bengals having the number one pick in getting an exciting quarterback prospect. We'd have we have to roll her eyes and sit here and actually somewhat worry if this is going to be the actual case jober on the Cincinnati Bengals it is not he is dispelled those rumors but hopefully for the next month now two months I should say the bengals and their fans will be able to kind of enjoy. The process focus on other players focused on other needs and move forward from from this narrative that has been created from the from the media. I don't know why that has been created. I know the bangles aren't necessarily the most popular team in their ownership isn't the most popular in the NFL marrying her. You know I kind of. I think I hit the Buzzer on that one but even so even so. I think it's time for us to kind of you. Know what Joe Burrow said his piece. He's coming to Cincinnati if they draft when they drafted him and all indications are that they will so let's enjoy the ride from here out and enjoy the NFL draft but before that free agency and see what the Bengals do. Which by the way Duke. Tobin said that the bengals may be spending a little bit more than we're accustomed to. I'll see it when I believe it. This has been the orange black insider bangles podcast. Hey keep it to our channel. We actually gave you quite a bit over the past calendar week. Or so you got. Orange is the new black podcast from A Spooky Zim who day. You've got trapped. Talk Format Munich. There was a recent one that just went up on our youtube channel video about outside linebacker prospects so check that out. He's also got an audio interview with Robert Weintraub so check that out A lot of different stuff we got. We got to listener questions last week. We had our our weekly episode last week in our weekly episode. 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You Clay Me  YIDT 047

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You Clay Me YIDT 047

"Yup. I did that. Amanda. Hey Jonah, I'm Amanda, this is. Yep. I did that the podcast that we talk about helping wellness trends around the glue. Yes. And we try it, so you don't have to exactly. And I'm basically the person Jonah here that tries it in a man is the person that tells us why or why not it's beneficial. Exactly. We're here to help you guys are your soundboard that you don't go do something to your hair, and then you come out the next day and people like, hey curl, you good. Because you. Something you shouldn't have exactly exactly. So what is been going on with you? Well, we have an update. So if you guys have been following along at all, you know, that we are adopting and Godwilling nothing is ever a for sure, and adoption, but we were matched with a mama, so we will have a baby. Boy, coming in March. So we're super excited, I was doing it drum roll. I don't know if you heard me, maybe I heard you might have. I realism to last week's episode about like where we're trying all the food. If you haven't listened to go back and listen to it in the whole time. We're like talking about how annoying it must be and you can't hear anything so I was very shocked. I was like it was so cool. You're, you're nothing was gonna sad. Some funny. There is a lot of stuff going on sound Weiss. There was it's probably better for everyone that you did this. So that's amazing news. And we're going to be posting on her Instagram. So Jonah in Aaron are super close to being at the total of their adoption fundraiser, they launched a new one. It's new can get a shirt, which is amazing or sweatshirt which I'm getting yeah, I'm getting this watcher, too. I think they're super cute so cute. So you can rep John Aaron. Yep. And rep adoption and rep the fact that like we in this world have such a unique space to be able to bring people into our lives in like. Yeah. Get to be a part of that process. And you get to be a part of like a family growing, and supporting a woman who made a really tough, and brave choice. Exactly. You know my hero. Yeah amazing. Yes. It's such a such a beautiful picture of love, and, you know, it's so great. Yeah. We're super excited. So if you want to get in on that that'd be awesome. We are selling shirts. Yes, in the proceeds, go to the option. Proceeds, go to the option, which is making Oregon, go to their adoption page and give their which is a tax write off in taxes are gonna be do. So this'll be two thousand nineteen taxes unless you gave in two thousand eighteen but tax tax write off guys. Exactly. Helping. You can pay it to the man, or you can pay towards adoption never to the may. Well, really? Yeah. We could go into funding. It really goes to help support people that, like really need support. Exact so it's not just going to growing our family, but it gets dispersed out in ways that it helps a lot of people. But especially mama's that are in really hard to hard places making hard decisions. And that money goes to them, so cool. It's super awesome. We've heard of that be part of a guy, but that's pretty much taken over our life, rightly so I'm attempting to relax Tate. Episode is going to be coming, probably just do an episode on that, but stay posted and I'm not even gonna define that. Let's just let that. Each episode versus going to be like anything and you say your name. And if you don't listen yours, what are you talking? I mean, there might be nothing to say, I feel like if you have not birth, a baby and breastfed you, would you not know, necessarily, what that means? Maybe acting deduce that. But it's an adventure. It's a it's a wild one. Yeah. I love it, though. It's exciting. It's fun to talk about. Yes, it is. So that's taken over our life, his new not much outside of Kyle's back. And so our life is back to normal. He just got back from Australia. But while he was gone. I like I d- dive deep in to just watching shows into the max. And so I decided that like I'm going to just tell you guys what I watch. Yeah. While I'm alone. Yes, I started watching the Bundy tapes, because I started watching it, but I keep falling asleep during it and I did hear why don't you? Asleep during it. I fell asleep during the first episode to watching it during the day or whenever you're doing something a little better because it's very monotone. Yeah. You if you aren't paying attention to the pictures, or the actual word is very monitoring. I started it being like I'm gonna get scared. It's going to be like a scary thing to watch. And I just keep falling asleep. I told Kyle today. I was like, so I started watching the Bundy tapes, whenever he was coming back from the airport and his Uber. And he was like I've been waiting for you to tell me that you started watching this. And he's like, what do you think? And I was like, I think it's great, but it's different than listening to on a podcast, or it's different than like watching unsolved mysteries or twenty twenty your dateline. Whatever watched a ton of those two slow-burn. Yeah. But also, like I don't know if I've ever looked at Ted Bundy for that long. And I became one of those people that was like he deserves a fair trial guy. Nippy late at you. Viewer twenty plus years later. I was like, maybe he didn't do it. And I was like, Amanda, he's a sociopath. Yes, he did do s- Dopp up. I was one of those hard onto like him in. But the thing is, is that, like, once you like, remember that he did do this, like they kind of, like preface it like, hey, this guy he so great. And like all these things in your like what if the cops are just like framing it after watching? So I'm also I am watching that. And I'm watching something called the innocent, man. How you started that. Do you know where that's from? It's a book. No, Gino the city. Yes, I do. But I can't remember it right now. Ada, oklahoma. Do you know where Kyle blamed Paran is he data Oklahoma? What Gossen in way? No, those people below zero mind. So many things I wanna tell you about. Ada. Kaga was born Sherman and then grew up until he moved back in ADA makes me feel so weird. I can't explain the emotions. I'm feeling but it's a weird feeling also Blake Shelton is from ADA we here. Yeah. So I'm so uncomfortable. Now have you started watching that him almost done with it? I think I'm like five episodes in. Yeah. But watching that, now, I'm like no one's ever guilty. Right. Nobody's guilty yet because there's so many, I've never watched the confession tapes, because I feel like I would be so upset with our judicial system. Yeah. And like the interrogation process and stuff. But yeah, that one is definitely where everyone's innocent, and then you're like oh, you know you did it. So I started watching that. But an air and fell asleep the fourth episode, and I was hooked in the innocent, man, you like a half. So I kept watching till the fifth, but then I stopped myself, but because I'd watched ahead. I was like, let's start these Ted Bundy tapes. Yes. And now we keep falling asleep. But that does make me feel like what if he was innocent? But then it's like wait. No, he totally like mutilated women in Osceola. Oh, yeah. I know it I don't know you have to trust, but may be like I was like, MandA, you got manipulated by dead sociopath. Dad. They're good at that. They are. I'm not gonna lie. This is a totally different subject than what we're talking about today. But Aaron I didn't look a deep dive into what makes a psychopathic sociopathic last year weirdly were just like fascinated by its terrifying. But they were saying what's really hard about that is you are born, with, like, not the right connectors, or I think it can be nurtured that way. It's environmental and obviously clearly not drained in this for real bizarre too. But. We. Crappy lost. It's not you're saying that you guys like dug deep into like what makes us OC your pather cycle? Yeah. I was watching this one weird documentary about it. And they said that was really hard about it is, you can't even rehabilitate so pass or psychopaths because they are so good at manipulating people that what ends up happening is the psychologist that is rehabilitating them gets manipulated. So, like they have completely cut off talking therapy, any sort of be like that from sociopaths or psychopaths, because the fare-paying get so messed up that makes a logically, the one that interviewed Ted Bundy did not get messed up and Ted. Bundy thought he was in a whole because he was like, I think you're gonna do it again. If you go out there. And he shouldn't be allowed out. Any would any did. It's actually shocking. Many we're just like now true. Crime richer, creme podcast. Welcome. It's shocking, how many that he got away with it. It's shocking. Okay. Yeah. It's been watching that it made me also realize I am successful susceptible susceptible to sociopaths. So I need to be careful and then be care, then, like last night, I was like, oh my, my kitchen window has been opened this whole time. What if someone cut in the screen and got me? And so I became very paranoid. But then what brought me back to like normal. Life was that. I'm obsessed with John Mayer. Did you know that about me? I didn't. But he is really good. Not even for his music. I just love him. Human being really funny. He's hilarious. New music video. He put out new light. Or is there been a new one? It gets new where he like went downtown fantastic. So funny. No, so every Sunday night most. Sunday nights. He has a live show on Instagram called current moods and last night. Andy Cohen was on. That they strange connection, but yes, they are. 'cause did you see the picture that's been floating around there gala vers? No, no, no, no. I saw that. I mean I could see that, but no, it was a picture of all the housewives together in one room all like Dallas, Beverly Hills, Atlanta jersey and then in the back it's Andy Cohen and John may. With all their. Yes. So it was his it was Andy Cohen's baby shower on that they were all at. Why would you invite all those people to your baby show all the housewives to his baby shower? And then John Mayer and John Mayer was like, are you. Sure, I should come, and he was like, yes, you're invited come. But on his show last night he called out teddy Mellencamp. So hard say he was like he's like I didn't even like I talked to one person and he was like, I don't even know who I talked to. And basically, it was like Hindi was like, did someone say, I'm John Mellencamp starter. I think yes. And he's like, oh, so you're talking to teddy, and he's like somehow got in a conversation about are in a relationship, and I can't remember, if like she asked him first, but then he asked her, and she's like, well, I'm currently married and he was like, who's currently married. John Mayer does not have a leg to stand on, but also his weird. No. And then he was just like that's weird right? And then Andy trend to make it better. He's like you just called teddy out real hard. So let's try to make this better and he made it where she's like that's like the John Mayer answer like if a woman gets at John Mayer. Exactly currently. But maybe like stick around, like whatever happens. I'm open to it. If something doesn't happen with this, and he was, like, John was like you made that worse worse for her. Yeah. And that was hilarious. He was just like fori fallen and call it out. But in the picture tamra is the one that's like right next to him. And it's like hey oh one. The one that I expect. Love all of them. So we talk crap. I'm like, but I would really wanna be your friend might be friends with them. But I expected tamra to say that versus like teddy Mellencamp, I would expect some, I'm wondering who I would expect. I don't think I would expect hammer to say that. I, I would really. Yeah, I feel like I could Vicki seeing something like that. Hell, the Vicki single right? Or she. I'm dating. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know all of them are kind of currently though they're separate Lisa. So my sister, my parents. Don't listen to this. They won't hear it, but we're like my mom said, currently just getting just getting like currently I'm married. No. They're celebrating their fortieth wedding anniversary this year. So we're like thinking about what to do for them. It was like an idea was that we could, like renew their vows and I was like, oh, every time somebody renews their ballots, they get divorced. So I, I do a couple of couples have that are not in reality television. I did tell me and I was like reality television has taught me, one thing never never renew your. You get does doing. We say we can't. Yeah. We haven't decided what we're doing something. Only one that they listen to the one episode the one episode stand started to listen to was whenever I talked about going to jail. I didn't go to jail the drunk tank. I went to detox. Yeah. Connected to a hospital and he didn't finish listening to it. He stopped he's he was with, Mary, and then Mary in them like went off to go do something they stopped listening. You lucked out lucked out, heart. They still don't know. They still don't know. Well on that note when other we've taken up all your time with true crime. And all of the fun. Gossip of house y no for real, though. I was talking about is, there's a huge internet rumor that John Mayer Andy Cohen, her together. Interesting because they hang out all the time. Do you hang out all the time their friendship is odd? Yes, but, but do not think I don't think that is the case, John Mayer is a lot of things. But I don't think that he's with Andy Cohen he- like dates a lot of people in things. Mainly just winning. That we know of, you know, mainly women, but yeah, definitely not. But it does tie into what we're talking about all the real housewives of everyone trying to look like they also have a forehead of fifteen year old or doing lots of different things speedy wise. Yet today, a Bentiu night, click, which I'm super excited about, how are you feeling about it? I'm excited in the fact that like I absolutely know nothing about it. I feel like I've lived under a rock that I don't know what you're talking about. Okay. So today, we're specifically going to talk about just a couple beauty applications of Ben tonight, Klay, there's a ton of stuff out there, but I'm just going to talk about the things I've tried. So to start this off my journey with Ben tonight, clay started. A month ago. Aaron got me like a big thing event tonight clay and put it in my stocking. And he's like I've been researching the best mask and this kept coming up. So this is what I got you in this giant, like, heavy bottle of dried clay them, water, and now obsessed to have like us a southwest kind of sun. Aztec. Okay. I have seen that. Okay. And that's from death valley yellow -fornia. Yes, but I started like researching what you can do with it. So like you can use it on your face, and you can use it on your hair. You can get internally like all sorts of stuff, but I personally have only tried face and hair say, we're gonna talk about that by getting into that. Why don't I just talk a little bit about the history of Ben hike? So much. So clay has been used for a long time for lots of reasons like they used it for digestive reasons ton, but also dating back like even four thousand years ago, German and Roman spas on of which apparently are like still kind of functioning, today's have used clay interesting. Interesting in beauty treatment. Uh-huh. Just crazy. That makes sense to me. Cleopatra used clay from the Nile river. Eighteen hundred years ago as part of her beauty ritual. We're all trying to be like, Cleo. Obviously, she was beautiful had so many men. Yeah. So. Oh, even here we have. No, I'm going to get to that later. But Ben tonight Clayton specific or specifically is found or called Ben tonight clay, because it was found in Wyoming, which is the most random thing ever, because you're gonna think like for some reason, when I heard that I was very shocked because I thought it was gonna be like this ancient clay will. Yeah, you're gonna think like Mexico or like some sort of, like just culture, the mediterr- and a very long time in like, kind of, like in our L A, mind, also needs to feel a little boosy, and Wyoming is definitely not boozy, right. It was land. It was discovered in large amounts in fort Benton, narrow rock. River in Wyoming, I liked it. I said, oh, that was I don't know where is named after fort Benton, fort Benton. Okay night, clay. And it's from four earth formed after volcanic ash has weathered and aged in the presence of water. Okay. So that's where it comes from, and it acts as a magnet, bras metals and toxins to it. Okay. Which is important to know about their volcanoes in Wyoming, apparently in fort Benton, there is at. Okay. I was trying to think like I was in my head whenever you said that I was thinking mall of my geography, and I was like, why? Oh, Ming is separated from Washington by I two ho, so I don't know, like mount Saint Helen is at the one that's in Washington, Oregon could have. But then I was like, where's the volcano but it's found there so obviously, it's there. Yeah. I don't I don't understand why. But that's where it's found geography's not as good at history with Jonah as Amanda as she'd be like, and there's four hundred volcanoes. Oh, I don't even know. But apparently, that's where it came from. Yeah. This is kind of happening to me it swells like a sponge and can absorb forty to fifty percent of its weight interest not crazy. Yeah. And there are all sorts of different Ben tonight's the one I'm talking about is a calcium, Ben tonight of supposed to be better for you. In like Amanda said, I only have used one type and it's called as tech, but it's got like a lot of clout, sir. That's why I used it recommend that you stick with that one because that's the one I've tried. And I believe in yet her early. So that's where been tonight. Clay comes. Okay. And it has a long clay in general, there's like an I didn't know this before getting into Ben tonight, clay that there's like a billion types of clays, and they and people swear by all different types, billions of big number, but a lot, I mean, I believe it. I remember whenever I was a kid I used to make these dinosaur molds, clay many different colors. You know, so many options late in the beauty world. There's a lot of clay usage. Okay. And I did not I did know it, but not really geic all the movies where if somebody comes out with a scary mask, on those are probably claim asks more that more than likely in, but in your head, you're probably just like oh, it's lotion mask, right? Whatever it's clay I feel like that most of the time whenever I do history stuff I'm always like why did I not know this rate? And I mean, I'm thinking, even is it rescuers down under where the main lady with the eyelashes doesn't she wear like a green mask that's droopy to when she's like doing this spin so long since I saw that movie probably lying right now? Okay. Move on. We'll figure it out. We'll tell you guys later. So I look it up. I'm super AMT on it. And what's cool to me about it is that it pulls it draws toxins into it, which is kind of like activated ask if it's very similar to that, it sounds like. Yeah. So it's supposed to like minimize pour it in. It's crazy. Because how it dries dry so hard that you can actually see the blood rising to the top of your skin that crate, and it, it feels like it. Like when I wash my face. I'm like, whoa, because it feels like it stimulated my skin, which, technically was to be good for stuff like wrinkles, or fine lines because it's like the whole rolling and stuff is like for lymphatic drainage. And it's really just like stimulating flow of like your skin, you know. Yeah. So like a lot of people would use it or another thing that I thought about for it. And I've seen people say is like pollution being on our skin. It's pulling all that crap. That's on it. That makes sense, especially as we're exposed to so much. Right. So I tried it. I'm obsessed with it. I love it. I made Aaron use it. And now he likes it too. And I totally noticed a difference in my pores. So I'm going to say do it. That's huge yet, but I added I found a recipe for somewhere random and I did water in apple cider vinegar. Okay in apple cider vinegar is like a more gentle, ph. It's is it make it hell Klein, my wrong with a depends on what the ph of the clay is. I'm not gonna say that for four Scher. No idea. But I did notice a big difference. Using apple cider vinegar with it than just water. It does smell worse. But yes, you're putting the reaction is amazing because it foams when you mix it with vinegar. Fact, I would like that feeling. Yeah, well when you put it on, it's pretty much done. It's just a stirring, but it's just really fascinating to look at and be like, there's some sort of chemical reaction happening here. But putting it on is removing all those toxins, it's really good for your face. And why was saying in the beginning the metal thing like it draws medal to out if you stir it with metal it actually activates it too soon? Isn't that interesting? So everything has to be plastic or wood that you use. When you're using Ben tonight clay or you don't get all the benefits of using it, interesting. So when Aaron ordered it for me he ordered me like these little like plastic silicone, brushes brushes or more, like spatulas that you put the mask on with, and it's super helpful. Sweet husband. I know it was really sweet. He's like this seems like something weird that you would like and you're, you're so. But when I was researching for this episode actually found that apple cider vinegar being used with clay can be dated back to the sixteenth century. Isn't that interesting? Yeah, a French priest was using it with Klay packs and poultices posted is. So I found that interesting, I don't necessarily know like all of the reasons why apple cider vinegar with it. But I've been using that I like it in it's crazy that it's been being used like that for so long. Yeah. So I'm going to recommend it because I like it 'cause I like it. I do like it. And I'm super excited gets the next topic. But I, I don't know if I've talked you into trying it even but you should probably do it for like twenty minutes tops. That's like the very top Aaron used it for like forty minutes and I almost cried his face. His face looks like he'd been sitting out at the beach with no sunscreen on for two days. Because like I said, it draws all your blood to the service, so does it hurt coming off. If he was on for that, long it gets wet again like MO. But it does feel like you like when I have it on even for twenty minutes. I've talked like this because I can't move my face. It's better than like have you watched any of those videos of people putting the, like mask on the EP L off? I'm horrified by that. It's very two layers of you. So I like the fact that like it gets back soft whenever it's wet. Yeah, I watched this. There's this Instagram account that's really funny, that just like repose viral videos, and they posted one of a mom, who put one of those mass that you're talking about have I shown, you though, over her whole face, and she put it on her eyebrow. It's video per mom being like in the girls like crying, laughing videoing, the whole thing. I rose came Kamali off zero, like the end of the video just her awkward months smiling. That's the worst Benton. I will not do that to you. And by the way, no eyebrows is way worse than no half. Eyelash super true wayward. Hey scarier. See you doing that, though. Feel like. Thirty two year old Amanda versus eighteen year old. Banner might have put that mascot eyebrows. She might have she's dumb enough. She would have. I don't know if you were dumb enough but I feel like even to understand how things work exactly like, oh, the skin under my eyebrows. And he to I was like, Hello. Just putting it all everwhere. Yeah. So I don't know that there's no no go on those aspects. I won't even try them. No. I'm petrified bomb Ben tonight. Klay, sounds great who made it popular again. Do you know what? I mean. All I know is like German and Roman spas, have been using it. Okay. So I think it's just been like a spa, and then people Trump and then like seeing it. Yeah. And probably it's just been passed down. I'm, I'm guessing even if I would have been like really deep in my history lesson. I bet you there's, like all sorts of uses of it, even in like native American culture, America's. And that kind of brings me to the next point. But before I get there, I just wanna talk about real quick, what I've been doing. So I've been doing it like once a week because I am looking at it like it's activated charcoal. I'm guessing that it probably takes off the good stuff too. I would imagine if it's like pulling right things, so I have been using the valentia prickly. Pear oil right after. Scratch that I've been using the rosewater right after letting that dry and just like letting my face it. Yeah. And then after that I've been using the prickly pear oil, and then Jade rolling that stuff in and it's glorious sound Sheila older. I actually really love it. One day, we're going to find a reason to do a whole episode on your going to it's fantastic. It's a really nice guy. It's a really nice guy really. Nice. It's a girl. This is the year of the woman, Jonah Jay anything, you're Jade Earl. J hasn't decided what they are yet. Okay. Zir. Zir Jade's, sir chases there. And we love their roles. The crap out of my face. Excessively. So I recommend doing something like that moisturizing afterwards. And also, it can like clump up in your sink. So you wanna make sure you're running really hot water while you're doing it and running even minutes after you wash it off your face. Okay. Could it potentially clog your sink? You. I mean, I don't wanna be the boss of deciding this for you. I think it probably could if you were really dumb about how you did it. Okay. But if you ran hot water after to me, probably go all the way through and not like build up. Yeah, it's not. I mean it's like dirt. Yeah. So it's it maybe called your sink. The same as if you had, like, really, muddy hands and went and washed him which doesn't really perfect. Okay. I love it. I noticed a difference. I feel like your skin looks great if you like my skin feels away softer. I've even used it like randomly I've been breaking out in like my sternum area for me is like very far away from either boob, interesting. So I've used it there. I detox to my armpits with that. Sounds fantastic. Yeah. Are you still using magnesium oil on your armpits? Yeah, how's it going? I mean fine. I don't notice myself smelling unless I'm really stressed. I stress what? Okay, interesting. We'd never checked back in. So I just wanted out about tech it. I mean, I think it's great. It probably also helped doing the Klay if there was any bike bad bacteria from ever. So I thought I have not tried that on Aaron yet. He has like a weird patch of skin. That's like some sort of German tight. The right word when it's like a rash. He gets a rash pretty frequently like probably like, once a month in his armpit, which I have theories about whether it's like, yeast or some 'Bacterial because he's got hairy armpits, and he'll have to shave it. Yeah. I've thought about using the as tech class on that which I think we probably will. And then I'll report back try it. I loved the detox my armpits, too. I shaved. And then the next day did it. Okay. And I believe in my soul, that it pulled some weird stuff out, whether it did or not, I don't know. I have no real clinical evidence, but your armpits look like the armpits of fifteen year old, I think they've looked pretty fifteen year old age for what? No because they have hair that's shaved out. Maybe like twenty one year old. Oh, I think that's beautiful myself like nine years. That's great. I liked it. I would do it like once a month, maybe even every other week. Yeah, I didn't notice like a bunch of drying. I don't actually notice a bunch of drying with this mask at all. I think that's super big part of that is because I'm moisturizing Anton Andrea doing it once a week versus like multiple times. Yeah. And I even tried it like to help with ingrown hairs and stuff. I try to like on the top of my bikini line like on my pubic bone. Yeah. I don't know if it did anything, but I try to. I did it and I wasn't mad about it. Like, maybe I'll try it again. And see. Yeah, but I'm not scared of it. So good. I think it's all worth trying you used in your hair. Yes. And getting to net. I'm so sorry jumped ahead. It's okay. I was so excited to know it's time to hear it. So I started researching tonight clay for my face in all the sudden, maybe it was Aaron it said something a bunch of stuff that pops up is like people with natural curly hair, like very coarse curly hair use it as shampoo. Interesting, which is crazy. Yes. Was crazy to me. I was like, I want to try it, so I've done it probably like five times, and I'm kind of interested to hear what like a hair professional would say. Yes. I think it might scare them. But. It's the same idea is that it's pulling out all the bad stuff. There's like pollution or gunk or even stuff from your shampoo that builds on your head. Yeah. And the clay removes all that. And then your responsible for putting back in what Orioles oils, you are, like product you. Okay. So I tried it. I right before Christmas. Okay. I did not. I actually I don't have it in right now. Or I don't have. Did you see a thing may just like staring your year? Well, looking at doing like crazy moisture stuff, so it's my hair actually really crazy right now. But I did it right before Christmas. And I didn't watch my hair for a week, and it was perfect in, like Jane never got greasy. It was a weird texture though, like, yeah, it looked, shiny and amazing. But like I couldn't run my fingers through it. I mean, that's technically my hair all the time because I don't brush it. And so every time Kyle tries to run his hands through my cops every. I gave this face like oh, and then I was like, wait. Really your hair does a league helps like thicken your hair to okay? Which part of me doesn't know if that would be more just the texture is like more intend. Yeah. So it feels thicker I will say like the whole week, I was thinking, my hair looks amazing. But hate how it feels. Yeah, but I've tried it a few other times, and it looks great every time and you still don't like the feel still don't like the feel in what I do afterwards put argon oil on the bottom. Okay. But I am still in the trial, phase with it 'cause it's only been a month. Yeah. And I'm trying to not do it a ton because I'm terrified of ruining my hair again. Yes. But in that phase I actually just ordered a mask that I can report back with you as with, that's like a care to mask. So it's thinking about doing the clay, and then the mass and then doing the mask and see how that goes. But if you have natural curly course. Hair? I think you should. Absolutely look this up. People are amazed with it like night and day. My hair was terrible. And now it's so healthy and beautiful interesting. And I think if I struggled with, I think was it in the know Pooh episode I talked about Aaron scalp. Yes. In him having clearly as like stuff. We are he sent see, who's the Lasensky in that episode of talks about him having, like some sort of the thing. Exa X. Yes, we thought he might have exit on his scalp. I really wanna try this on him. And if you struggle with dandruff, I think it'd be amazing to try it, just because remove in nourish. Yeah. I mean it's got a ton of good minerals. Yeah, too. So it's not just like charcoal charcoal where it's just holding stuff out. It's actually got good calcium in it. That's also soaking on your Skinner hair. So. I love it. I will probably not be stopping trying it on my hair, but I definitely don't feel like it's like a forever thing for me. Yeah. There are people that use it only that for their shampoo, dang, and it can be any type of hair type that uses it only for their shampoo. So interesting. It's out there. I'm not one hundred percent anti, but I'm also not one hundred percent. Like I think I would have said, maybe the same thing when I was washing my hair with baking soda in the beginning. Yes. So that's why I'm giving this like a caveat of I haven't fully vetted it one hundred percent. But I did notice like a crazy different. Yeah. Using it, maybe you're like tune will change. Good or bad. Once we have a hair professional on. Yeah. Actually are a little afraid to talk to him about it. But I also really do wanna know to specifically haven't talked to my sister in law about it who hair because I don't want to disappoint her. It doesn't look bad. It doesn't look like how baking soda makes people's Ehrlich. I've been using a lot. I've been really diligent of putting the oil on day when I do educated eve educated yourself to the point where like you understand what it could potentially be doing. Right. So you're replenishing versus like some people may not know that, that what it could be doing right now, I was amazed because I have fine hair and a lot of it. And so it gets greasy looking really quickly like it is right now it really doesn't look, greasy. Put a bunch of cornstarch in it. Okay. Of great to be quite honest. And it was just crazy to me that, like days after I was I looked like I had not like I didn't need shower. I made myself shower, not because my hair looked Teresi his, I should probably just take care of my body, and I like hygiene, maybe I should shower once on this two week vacation. Yeah. So I'm sold. I'm all about it. I'm like I've literally I told you guys, I've been putting it on random areas of my body's got it, and I'm super into it. I like it just moisturizer after. Yeah. And. Yeah. I i'm. To try it. I wanna know base, I want you to try it, and then I wanna hear how you feel I mean it's kind of crazy right now. And I didn't realize that yet until he gave it to me. I'm seeing people all over Instagram with green masks on and that's been tonight, clay interesting. Yeah, I only knew that like, because I look at anthropology and free people literally all the time. Yeah. And urban. It's on there. And so that's the only reason why even know it existed. And I was like the south west one and it's actually really affordable. Yeah. It's not super giant tub of it. Amazon yet, so and he, he did get me the bigger sized one. Uh-huh. And I've barely dented it. And I've been using it on every year. Like I don't even know how I can use this whole thing. I don't know if there's any more body parts I can put on it really. And I like if I see something coming up just like spot treat it with that. I'm obsessed have one right here. Yeah. You'll be it'd be like, good to use it. And, and I like put it on expecting to break out the next day because I know it's drawing stuff out. Yeah, but it hasn't been terrible. That's great. Yeah. Did you have any? I think I might have had like one on like my nose oak, which is a weird place this, but makes. Horace place face so, well, I'm sold Detriot. It's awesome. And if you do try it. I recommend I love the prickly pear oil, but some sort of moisturizer that's not going to be heavy on your skin. That's not gonna clog you back up. I have really enjoyed the duo. Well, your skin looks great. So you're a walking advertisement for it. Thanks. You should get paid. I should as tag hit me up. Yeah. I, I don't know. Have you ever tried any claim asks, I feel like I have I have a one from beauty counter like a peony Klay mask? Oh. I wonder if that's been tonight based might into it. I will look. Yeah, that's sad. That I don't even know what it was. But I just liked it. That of was Pini. Yeah. I'll look tonight a report back. I know like the first time I used a Ben tonight Klay mask. It was already wet. It wasn't a mixed mass, and it came in a pack at trader Joe's will this wet and it's like you put it on, and then it like Hardin as it gets, as it's like on your face. Exactly. So it's white though. I think there's different, so there are different types of clay, or different places. They come from. But this one this, it's calcium. And it's green, okay? I'll look at it. It's actually like, what looks gray and the container? But when as you mix it gets, like a. Grain, hanging rain. It's like a gray avocado color. Okay. Still, like almost kind of going bad yet Belykh, okay? Yep. Exactly perfect. I love it. I'm down to try it. And there are different things you can use it for. But I haven't tried them yet. So I'm not recommending them yet. Yeah. But people for all of time have used it for medicinal purposes. Like I said at the beginning for digestion. That's crazy, which is crazy. And in my mind after researching activated charcoal similar vein that, but the thing that kind of intrigues me about it. Which makes me feel like I will try it for the podcast. One day everyone is the mineral content like there's a ton of good stuff in it. So I've read by people that use it for stuff like morning, sickness. Isn't that interesting super interesting? But I have not tried it for that. That just must mean that we have to do feature episodes on it. I think so. I think for now we I can Amandas not necessarily backing this yet, but I- Jonah will say that. I love it, especially for a mask. Yeah. Everyone skin is different. Can't guarantee it's going to be the best thing for you. But what I would suggest is if it feels like too much for you looking into some of the other clays that are out there and trying to find one that matches with you bet. Yeah. And not overusing them. I'm sure there's people out there that will be like, I'll do this every day. Yeah. That's the thing. He needs to be eighty twenty with your like beauty rituals to. Yeah. And the twenty should be the beauty, beauty ritual age. It's just like normal, and then like twenty percent like doing these like they're kind of extreme because it's like I mean it's twenty minutes out of your day. Yeah. I do the dishes. That's smart. And I watch Bravo. Bravo because I you can't talk no Geog this because you can't move around. Yeah. And you're like keeps it twirling. No one else will talk to you yet. I love the idea. And I wish that I was you. And maybe one day you can give us like find some studies somewhere. I think our next episodes for sure. Yeah. If there is actual scientific proof that it really pulls stuff. And I mean there's a ton of inital stuff out there. Yeah. And I love the idea that it actually is pulling off all the crap and junk that settles on our skin or inner ear throughout the day, which is a ton, especially being in a big city. Yeah. All that pollution, just soaks into our skin. It's good to have something that I feel like I'm like counter acting that. Yes. Well, I think that there's probably some signs to it. We kept it like this his like a little deviation of our norm. Where I talk about the science because this is an intro to like something new that we're going to be doing. Yeah. Jim intel. Guys, I'm going to be real. We've been drinking wine. Sure, I'll tell you tell us all about it. So with us coming up on one year. Yeah. This month next month next month, one year next month. We've decided to go into a season format. Yeah. So in the upcoming months, you'll hear more about this. But we're hoping to take little chunks of time to tackle, very specific topics and have multiple episodes on that one topic. Yes. So maybe you beauty season or something along, but I'm blind so up until that point, you might get a little intro to a lot of the seasons that are coming. So just give you a little like taste yet. And then we'll you'll get your deeper knowledge in a pretty intense little season. Yeah. Little quick, informative episodes about these things that have, like all the science and the data hind them. And hopefully like that bite size but very informative episode will help you be more informed decisions you're making xactly your health and wellness journey. Yes. For this episode the science. Obviously, we didn't talk a lot about it. But I would say definitely tried as mask, like Jonas said be a little hesitant with the hair on your own accord, but definitely feel like there's signs or at least, like backing ups the mask to be really beneficial on your face for sure. And I mean there's just thousands of years of using and it's not like a new trend night is all still being used in Germany, and Rome, isn't Germany, the most random Germany is super Rando. I thought that was so slick super random that was included, especially whenever I think about to like our hair episode. And I talked about, like bads and stuff like the Germans weren't listed in the like countries that were leading the charge on Biondi. Yup. You know. Yeah. I actually don't think of them as that. Now, maybe I'm probably just misinformed though, probably. I don't think like I mean Germany is like a car country. I'm from there in, like things like that, not like the innovative close clay the clay. Yeah. And I liked the hair. So if you want risk it, make sure you put apple cider vinegar in it. And then. Just a heads up. I did rinse with apple cider vinegar after as well. Yeah. And go back to our hair up. So to think there's like a couple other like options to rinse your hair with like moisture back into to the do, if he didn't do apple cider vinegar, because it doesn't have oils and stuff. So awesome. Well science to come and hair professionals to come. Yeah. That's my anecdotal evidence of myself. I like it, though. Because now I'm like, I wanna try, then we're going to talk about the science and this can be super fun. I'm excited to hear your side of it. On that note. Yeah. Have a good day. They get ready and get excited for the what's coming up for our one year. We're super excited about it. Remember to give to the adoption or go buy a sweatshirt or t shirt to help bring baby hairs. Yeah. If you do when you get it, and that is that we can see. Yeah. We would love to share that and get to see. Ninety.

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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Lessons learned

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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Lessons learned

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You keep tuning in live you keep keep interacting with us and we really can't thank you enough for for the support of this program. It really makes it a pleasure to go on the air and Toxins Cincinnati bengals football football with you all and of course with John. So just WanNa give you all a little pat on the back for giving us your support. We appreciate that John. I watched as we mentioned before the the show here before we took the Air I watched the Super Bowl in a little bit of a different venue than I usually do But watched it nonetheless. Kansas City chiefs came Kinda charging back. Pretty good game. I thought pretty entertaining game right. So Oh yeah. This is like once game up until the very end in the chiefs do but they did but that that it was quick and fast fun which is a lot more you can save last year. Yeah Yeah so you know I think we still it regardless of what the bengals do this off season. I think realistically the Bengals They could make a jump like the forty niners made right. I mean it's it's possible but you know I think if some I think a lot of things will need to follow their way in order for that to happen. But you know looking at that and looking at these two teams to me it was. It was the quarterback and the flash of the chiefs versus the well rounded team of the forty niners and then it was kind of a you know also also the coaching aspect. The young guy that you know exciting and inexperienced versus the guy's been there and done that The quarterback in the in the experience coach won the today but there are takeaways to be had from Cincinnati bengals perspective of both of these teams. I WanNa Kinda ask and put this out to you. What were some of the things whether it strictly from the chief strictly from the forty niners maybe something from both teams? What were some of those takeaways as you as you saw? That game unfolded all that you can say you know what. Here's one or two things at the bengals should look at implementing. Look at doing this off-season to really you know aside from the usual of course general general manager and beef up the scouting staff. Of course we know all that. I'm talking about a little bit diving. A little bit more heavily into the weeds in specifics. Based on what we saw from both these teams in how the Bengals can make a a big turnaround next year by following their blueprints. My Dad was the first person ever heard say there are multiple ways to skin a cat and then what it meant when I was like ten years old but there there are multiple ways of building a successful winning the football team and like you said the forty niners since she's on DVD In terms of the strategies in terms of how to get there but at the end of the day what we saw was the team with the better quarterback one because the team was better quarterback could rely on that quarterbacks make plays while the other quarterback slaughter plays Why before nurse last game include that lead? I know people point went to college Shanahan for being out scored like forty six. Nothing in the last two fourth quarters that he's been the super bowl with but he. He called a fantastic game. Why before you answer up for as long as they were and they were able to limit the amount of damage that Jim Garoppolo could do? And you made some good throws in this game but at the end of the day. He's always been a limited quarterback they can only do so much with him there and the team with the better the quarterback one now like like you said the chiefs. They went out of the way these past two years to build the best possible offense around. Patrick Mahomes who's the best quarterback. NFL WHO can do the most of any quarterback Rebecca NFL who can throw from any platform crepe lays out the structure and they just built an offense that was predicated around speed explosive. Play makers on the wide receivers tight ends the running backs all over the field in the passing game to stretch the field vertically and lead mahomes do his thing outside the pocket in work in work in cohesion with him. Now like now you look at the forty niners who are kind of like some type of dichotomies relationship because they have such an all around well-built team. But they are dealing with a quarterback who at the tires on the biggest contract in history quarterback so it was kind of like you know they didn't have a lot of real money to really work with with Jimmy Garoppolo deal but they still went out of their way to you know get gig acquire guys fritzy but they just drafted extremely well. And that's honestly the take the Bengals do like when you draft well and you compensate with Qualif- regions you can you can get by even with mediocre or meddling quarterback play and you can win thirteen games. You can be the more senior conference. escaped gave by in the playoffs with only two games. But I think the common The common denominator with both these teams is that they kind of build their teams with a plan in mind and the forty niners it was speed literally ever on the field defense on offense offense of line with wires running backs the common denominator is speed. There's nobody in the NFL. Not even that she she's can attack Can attack that defense or can stop it offense when they go horizontal that she's tried to do this early in the game in Andy Reid near adjusted. They went over the one more vertically critically the allowed into his comfort zone into the second half but both these teams when they acquired when they acquire players when they scout players in the draft. They have a specific plan in mind. What type of team that they WANNA be? And I think that's kind of been lost with the bengals the past three years. They tried to get hugh some of these players but none other drafts. I think I'm fit overall theme of what they WANNA be in a lot of Raynham types towns being acquired over the draft obviously the lack of presence in free agency compounds onto onto that but I think both of those teams had an identity had a plan of what they wanted to do and it just had the right personnel coaching to match it. And that's that's how they got to that point but at the end of the day like like like we all know the team with the better quarterback has the chance of winning the game and when now the entire NFL At mahomes WHO's the best quarterback in any real has now proven that he can do this at the biggest thing he's GonNa go to the hall of fame because it so they're going to be a tough they're going to be a Juggernaut to stop from this point going forward but the guy here because they had a plan of how to build the team around him and they maximizes in the window that they did because now the Pamela not going to have the opportunities to a science and these guys these contracts they did in the past years but they had a planet they had a plan set. I think that's the biggest piece. The bengals needs to achieve this off season. So just a quick side note In a personal story my wife in her family Own a small chain of women's retail clothing stores eighty reads wife. and Andy Reid Chock at my my wife's family's sores stores So while I didn't really I I had a very good friend. One of my best friends was a forty niners guy and I kinda wanted to see him happy. Despite the history of the forty niners in bengals goals I also kind of had a little rooting interest. Randy Regis kind of a personal story and by the way my wife has met both He. and Andy Reed's wife. And they are Supposedly delightful wonderful nice people. So if you had some bad thoughts by Andy Reid I have a somewhat firsthand experience experienced saying that he is a is a very nice guy and I think we all could probably catch onto that in interviews anyway totally besides the point of what we're talking about but I had to kind of put that story out there. I've sharing a screen John. This was one of the things that I thought about. I thought Oughta about a handful of things here. You look at what the forty nine and this is the forty niners draft classes. And really I I you know we can look at what the chiefs chiefs draft classes over for the past handful of years as well but really went I to me. These picks and these draft classes are the ones that kind of precipitated their turnaround of this year. And you look at it and what is it first of all you look at the volume right. It's not it's an average of nine picks per year over the over the three years So there's volume there. Of course they weren't very good for a couple of years so they had the high picks mcglinchey is a very good player. You see him that the first round picking twenty eighteen of course Bosa this year very good player. deebo Samuel very good player It hits go on and on and on and on and on right I mean they have a lot of hits in there. Of course there's the infamous Reuben foster thing but There there are all kinds of other players that have performed pretty well for for them. But it's also the volume and I think part of the reason I bring this up is the bengals are sitting with a lower amount of pics. Then they're usually accustomed to this year the they have the high ranking in terms of where they were they sit for picks but they don't have the volume and when you talk about out needing potentially some interior linemen and edge rushers. You need some some meat at linebacker. Some talent there. You've got questions at cornerback. You're gonNA going to have a quarterback that's drafted offensive line issues questions at wide receiver. There are a lot of issues going on. You have a team. That is a little bit free agency adverse. Probably do a little more than we are accustomed to this year in terms of unrestricted free agency. Jeff Hobson BENGALS DOT com recently. Lee said that. But I still don't think they're gonNA go after the be plus a minus tier guys in outside agency. I think they're they're going to go after the the season didn't and maybe B.'s. Type of guys and you know maybe not break break the bank. So I think they need to collect picks whether that's trading players and getting capital there whether it's trading back maybe from the top pick in the third round topic in the second round collecting more picks in those middle rounds You know I think they need. They need they need players in any talented players. They need to hit on them so they they need volume and equality so that is something that stuck out to me in in terms of one of the especially when the team does so much in the draft and they put so much stock in the draft. You know the other thing I as I watched the game early in the game. You know you have deebo Samuel this physical wide receiver rookie guy and right away. Title Shanahan is getting him involved and and you kind of say well. That's you know big big stage biggest stage really in sports and you you give the ball into a rookie and you do it in a way. That really isn't his and he's good at it but it's not as forte in the in jet sweeps and runs and things of that nature not passes So it kind of got me thinking a little bit and I was thinking about the fact that the forty niners draft after guys and and their coach selected guys that were picked for specific plays specific designs in in their system. Deebo Samuel is not the fastest guy. He he's he's not gonNA stretch the field very often. He's a guy who move the sticks. He'll get tough yards and he'll make make place if you watched the Super Bowl. That's exactly what he did. That is exactly what he did and what they said when they drafted this kid I would assume in their war room is they said you know. This kid is going to bring this to the table. And this is specifically how we're going to use this player and that's why we're selecting him here and that's what he's going to do in our offense offense. I would like to think that the Bengals do that in their war room. I don't I don't know because it's almost seems sometimes it's like hey this guy's when where they do the best player available strategy which Tobin recently told you about at the senior Bowl John. It's almost like you know we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA find we're GONNA find into role for this guy because he's so talented not not necessarily. This is a player that is designed for our system and we have This type of role carved out for this player. Maybe Zack Taylor. Company hat will have that sort of vision especially with a full offseason under their belt which they didn't have last last year but I would like to see the bengals draft and and really a raise their hit probability on these rookies. If you if you carve out in early plan for these guys and you say this is and maybe to us it looks like a reach or whatever but if you have a specific design plan for further for the players you're taking especially with high picks I think it really bodes well for your franchise and really it makes you look like a really intelligent coach really intelligent team when you select players and right away you have a niche carved out for him not just you know what this is the best player that sitting here. We don't need this position but we'll take it and will figure figure out a role farm because this guy so talented yet. Works out sometimes but not all the time and to me. I think that that is something that the bengals really need to work on this year. Especially after getting so little out of their first draft class in his act Taylor era so those those are a couple of things that came to mind for me and of course the quarterback reigns supreme. You mentioned this and you know you gotta get that Guy Garoppolo to me made some plays but I. I knew that if they're if they had the lead in the lead wasn't a huge huge lead. I knew mahomes would do his thing. Even though it wasn't a mahomes like performance throughout most of the game you may plays with his legs extended plays. He threw a he made the clutch throws when it mattered down the road and and the quarterback play still reigns supreme. Those are my takeaways as it pertains to this game and what the Bengals may need to look at doing mixture. It all comes back to just having a plan and I think think the forty niners in those draft choices that you brought up a lot of those texts for very unconventional and the got your head straight But what does John Lynch during what is what exactly is he seen seen in these players like you said when you when you have a plan about what you WanNa do with these guys immediately putting them into the system. A system that the coaching staff Steph in the front office is confident in terms of functionality. When you have the pieces already there and these guys come in and be complimentary pieces not put too much wilner shoulders but knowing their strengths in having a grasp of what they are in terms of evaluation standpoint is a difference in terms of confidence in what you know we see other teams have when they draft athlete in terms of the bengals because The difference of brain power in in the decision making process in the war room and in the overall valuation process when the forty niners draft. These guys in the middle rounds that maybe you know can be classified as reaches or whatnot. They're they're quality players because the high athletes they're going to be able to Mesh into the NFL world world Better than some other guys may be Are More efficient in terms of technical prowess but they put these guys in comfortable distance to win like like you said the whole L. D. schematic chain beginning. That that's just that's just what conflict in quality playcallers can do they. They recognize weaknesses whenever defense that they're going up with and they can have a certain certain tendencies for the first eighteen games of the season of what they do offensively and then they come out with something completely different than the chiefs did that too I think with their accession. They put a plate from the nineteen forties. Unlike the Rosebowl Whatever like that's just as Andy Reid doing his thing that's just Doing his thing as well. So when when they build these teams they they recognize a gay. High athletes obviously is critically important the the kind of production that they had in college not necessarily the total volume production Alzheimer's in terms of context in what they can do and again like it. All comes down to just finding players who are good. It's kind of cantons cliche. But finding players do good things for what they WANNA do and it sounds very general when I say that but you know not putting all the weight on their shoulders was to contribute right away but when they need them to do something having a plan for them to just Mesh into what the team already is having an identity of what the team is right now. The bengals are are still unsure what due to lack of town obviously and when you haven't In when you can infuse more talented to the demon obviously helps and going back. Actually just this jump that you know. People have alluded to because the forty niners were in the senior last year. And they're in Super Bowl. They already re really talented last year. But you know Garoppolo got hurt for like thirteen games so they had to play the backup quarterback in that obviously derail this season. They lost one score games as well. But it was in the process for three years of accumulating that town accumulating the United entity ends up. One more drafted healthy crop would really put everything together. The bengals aren't nearly there yet. They're they're going to need to start with this draft class in terms of building on the way on the wrote that point but like you said getting more draft capital getting more chances to hit on some of these guys and taking you know taking vice in tips from how the forty niners count built their team in terms of identifying specific traits for. They need them to do this. That's how it starts and it's not going to get there in twenty twenty but this is a critical year for them to start that process adjust. I brought this this page backup. Forty niners draft classes over the past three years. I learned some more about these these guys from watching some of the the the postseason games recently. But really were I wanNA focus though is around three in on You know you look at you. Look at twenty nineteen most recently. Mitch wish now ski. They're starting punter. DRE Greenlaw starting linebacker for them. I you go to twenty eighteen. And by the way those were their fourth and fifth round picks twenty nineteen. You Go to twenty eighteen. You look at To various more he made some plays in the super bowl of course picked before four him in the third round is Fred Warner who is a star in the making he had an interception in the game You know there are other guys there. That are You know kind kind of street may be still Is still contributing for them. You look back at twenty seventeen of course a Keller Witherspoon He he started quite a few games Or played in quite a few games that you can see thirty. Six Games played so far in three seasons. And he's been in and out of the starting lineup up for them as a contributor George Kettle of course probably the shining jewel of of all of these picks in terms of value in the fifth round. You know so my my point is they're hitting in all areas of the draft falling into a high pick. And Yeah you got your Bosa and of course you're going to be good because you keep these top ten picks. Yeah but they're doing well in the third fourth and Fifth Rounds Finding Star players. And you know. That's that's what you need if you're going to build your team and building through the draft. You need to hit on days two and three. Because that's where the bulk of your roster is is usually created in the depth is is usually created and the forty niners done in one more thing 'cause we talk loud the forty niners looking at the chiefs you know how they built that offense. The obviously invested a lot of the offensive of line. They have the first overall pick at left tackle. That one of the best right tackles in the game Mitchell Schwartz. They have an offensive line. That cohesively works well together and communicates well with Mahomes. The homes breaks out of the pocket. And that's something that the bengals offense line needs to kind of bill with Joe. Because I want to do the same thing. In all these quarterbacks into the leader to try to emulate mahomes and do do their best to to so because they're not gonna be able to make all the throws narcan able to move as well. That's something Burroughs GonNa WanNa GonNa WanNa try to do. And then it comes back to the receivers working back ball after they stretched down the field vertically but just looking at that roster. It's a stack offense that can outscoring defense. Sometimes it really has because looking at that defense. That has some talented pass. rushers Frank Larkin Chris Jones and it has a secondary that individually in terms of talent is in very dense. But they have they they obviously work wells unit because the got rid of a couple pieces and then you look at their biggest weakness in its linebacker. And there's a lot of fans obviously who are obsessing over getting a Lotta town linebacker but when you have obviously talented pass rushers in quarterbacks ex-navy offense economic score things there are deficiencies that you can live with and as we see with the chiefs who have escorted back in the game and play caller that works within the these. Are things that you can overcome you. You don't need a completely stacked roster like we saw the foreigners it takes it. It's harder to find that quarterback but if you can't find quarterback it is the route that you must take is route this the the quickest route to the point success that you're that you're trying to get you so I think if you're comparing both teams while the bengals should emulate it's obviously the chiefs because they're going to have that chance to drought quarterback that's better than Garoppolo and they're gonNA chance to build to add more pieces to an offense that shoot already work well around him just takes a couple more offense lineman couple guys Lafontaine healthy and just rounding out whatever pieces they know that defense but doesn't have to be this perfect Utopia harasser the forty niners are but it does it does take finding the right guys to fit the right needs and and focusing on the right traits of draft prospects if you're not gonNA dull into free z like both these teams. We're getting a lot of questions in the live chats about you you know how many wins. Do you see the bengals getting next year. And all of that. You know I'm going to hold off on We'll kind of maybe do some more win. Predicts expense It's too early really and I think right. Now it's easy to sit here and be cynical based on what we saw last year It's also easy. It'd be optimistic based on the amount of injuries that we've seen from this team over the past couple of years and the fact that they have the high picks I think you know. I'm I'm going to hold off on on giving a win. Prediction is the bengals. Currently sit here. I did want to acknowledge that. We've got a couple of people talking about that and asking us about it but As of right now it doesn't you know this team is probably still one of the worst teams in the league going into next year. But that's without a draft class without out free agency that's without them potentially making moves in free agency. We don't know exactly what's happening yet. So give us maybe another month or two on that we can maybe more accurately answer that I know. I know it is an interesting topic to talk about but You know I I think it's just it's a little early before we sift through that and get a clearer picture of things but interesting stuff and Enjoyable Super Bowl game was was definitely entertaining. And and really to be is if you if you watch the NFL this year and you watched it regularly followed it regularly. Those two teams really did deserve to be in Super Bowl. It can make a case for another team more too but You Know San Francisco was consistent the entire year. Kansas City had a couple of dry dry spots. But I think some of that coincided with with the mahomes injury but I mean for the most part they were explosive all year they. They came from behind throughout pretty much all of the playoffs. And and one game so I mean really both. 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USA Salt Lake City branch. John we transitioned to awards sure. Yeah let's stay with the NFL for now okay. So we started a couple of weeks ago. We started the Cincinnati bengals twenty nine thousand nine season awards. We did like offensive and defensive player of the year. We didn't coach of the year. We did a couple of Canada major ones for the season awards. We've got a few more to get you by the way these will also doing a series post in which you can vote vote on for players on CNC juggled DOT COM so Myself I think it's you as well John. Maybe one other person there. I don't know exactly who it is. It's that may be contributing there but we're kind of split that up and then you can vote on Cincy jungle dot com but we wanted to talk about a few of those here. Where where did we WANNA go? John did we want to do Play of the. You're a star that we're going to play slash moment of a year because a lot of great plays but there were a handful of good moments so Algae kick it off. I'M GONNA I I'm going to be a little partial because it was week one one and I was there in person You know and there were. We had no idea what to expect from the banking in twenty nineteen and and we we all kind of said. Either they're gonNA get throttled in Seattle or it's GonNa be dangerously close. They may even sneak out with a win well O and behold the ladder was true you and it was a very entertaining game part of the reason. Why is because the bengals pulled out a Lotta stops on offense? They did a lot of different things on offense and many of those it was included. John Ross so I am going to go with a flea flicker play In Seattle with Jon Robson bight by the way that was really interesting that we're actually a little more cheers than I expected there because John Ross went to the University of Washington played in that stadium as collegiate athlete so obviously he had some extra fans there as well. I know it's Cliche. I know it's probably easy route to go. But it's it's Kinda near and dear to my heart since I saw it in person and you know it was it was pretty interesting to see a gave us hope as to. Wow this is you know this is what we should expect. Toya create these wacky plays that conservative. Marvin Lewis never drew up Wasn't really the case Kinda got a little different towards the ended the air but for the most part they had real things and because of the injuries and whatnot but That I thought was kind of one of the moments or plays of the year. I I agree with you that sentiment because not only did to give give fans hope of what what is to come but it was just the fact that you know there was some quiet talk about up. This is like John. Lewis breakout game because going back to Washington. And then I. It's it's almost like people talk about separating the game script from the rest of the game for an offense and it was almost like a season script whereas the first half of that game was like the came script for the entire season in defense kind of figured it out as the went on but that was so exciting. I think it was. I think it was the second game. Right was the one yet was over two defenders Ball it is the moment we realize like on our office here and the way that that we expect them to be on the other element of it. Yeah yeah like he was the first four weeks. WanNa give us like highest gray receivers in terms of yards per route running. He was up there in terms of total receiving as well. So if you didn't get injured it will be interesting to see if you would have even got close so I like the sentiment. They're gonNA keep with that. Same sentimental factor because I thought about Listen Apple is as my one but I'm glad you if I was going to go with the one that I decided to trump over that one. The exact exact opposite end of the schedule week. Seventeen in an actual win against the Cleveland. Browns it was Joe. mixon creating terms of rushing yards and it was almost like like a flashback moment. Back to two thousand seventeen when the bengals host the browns and was late in the Game Joe Mixing token inside rush any was ending up GonNa meet Djibril peppers in the middle of the field and he kind of bulldozed over him and defining moment of his rookie season that year and in this game to seal his his career day inches rushing yards till inside. John Kerry against the Browns Gridlock by Hopkins and Michael Jordan and he met sheltered red wine. The prompt safety in the middle of field is completely destructive over ran for initial twenty arts. It's got up with so high doses. Last carry of the season is like Solidified his incredible turnaround of the second years basically confirmed that the bengals second win of the season and it was just it was so reminiscent of that. I run two years ago. where he kind of really planted his flag as the star in the making in and and just to see his growth I think from the first two years of the guy who was solid but was no not relying on his blocks but didn't really do a lot on his own? I making guys miss in getting your contact. That was such a shift From from those first two seasons to the second half of the season when dolphins really relied on him in basically put it on his shoulders he really improved from individuals Stamp one as a running back in terms of getting through the first level making guys business second level and then that play was just such a defining moment for him in his season going into a contract year and obviously it was against the browns Exciting Moments Watch so. That was the moment stuff. Yeah you know the thing in. I think we're going to transition to perform like single game performance of the year. Are we going to do that. Yeah Yeah You know the thing that that I really liked about the win against the Browns Granted number one is. It didn't hurt their draft stock at the time. So that's it's great. You beat a division rival all that kind of stuff. But it showed the fall from grace by the Cleveland browns everybody's off-season Darlings rulings and it really kinda ended the season on a high note for the bengals really really poor season. A lot of bad headlock a lot of injuries a lot of all kinds of issues and it was a good way to end the season and Joe Mix indefinitely carried. That occurred them for that so I would transitioning into single game performance of the year. I you know I think his that game has to be inconsideration. His career I- hundred sixty two yards six plus yards per. Carry Two touchdowns all that stuff. Who Do you have for single game performance of the year? I'M GONNA go about a month earlier to their first win at the game Win of the season as Carl's Performance against the New York jets now looking looking at his numbers from. PFC had eleven total pressures three three six three quarterback hits five hurries and then five defensive stops. A run defender was his third highest graded game of the season terms terms of PF numbers and it was like he had a couple of games before this in the second half but it was really the moment but we realized that this is a different level of of animal that we're received dumber because he's always been dominant in spurts throughout his career but never really put together any sense of consistency over a single sixteen game season. That was kind of the same motif chief that we're seeing for the first half of the season but his second half of two thousand seventeen was about as dominant as you could have seen from an all around I think the shift from being a Just primarily just the three down a defensive end on three point. Stance to then transitioned into more of an outside linebacker role in Lieu Not really helped him diversify I if I would he can do as a pass rusher and guess jet specifically I remember the jets look like an SDS team that day and like the they had Luli no answer there tackles have no answer for Cobblestone allstone dunlap as a pass rusher it was maybe the most dominant game as a pass rusher in in his career. I don't think he had any pass deflections. Any any of his traditional swipes. At the Line of Scrimmage Mitch but he was so dominant that game it really. It really said like wild game. This is a different level of dunlap than he really carried that for the final four games of the year you had a great game against the Patriots had a great game against the Browns Ten the year out so like back game was it was just another level of Insane from a player that we see all the time you know throughout the season you have these wild moments but it was really the start of him putting together. A lot of consistent dominance and that's really what has hindered him from being in. The conversation is one of the best defensive accidents in the game. But that was such an incredible all-round performance albeit against the bad team. But the dominance Ignore yeah the really. The second half of the season post by Cincinnati Bengals had quite a few close games a lot of good performances. And it did give it did give you a little hope. Going forward forward in terms of I mean you. Look at the raiders. Game You look at the jets game. Dolphins game really the only to kind of eggs in there was the ravens in the Patriots Both those teams made the postseason so I mean granted. They played a lot of of the league's worst teams. But I mean they got two wins. uh-huh and a lot of near winds there so Carlos done that finished the after the bye in the eight games after the bye finished with eight sacks so That was just an absolute i. It was probably the best ever see him play in that same saying something because he has played honest games. Joe Mixes performance in. Cleveland definitely deserves to be in the conversation. But I'm going to go to the embattled quarterback there are a couple of instances you know I thought about the jets game. Were Andy kind of played. Well we had a couple of touchdowns that were dropped against the jets by I for his Alma. Had One touchdown in two hundred forty three yards. Got The bengals US their first win. You know basically since I came back and played pretty well for the first time since being benched in his first time ever in his career eventually eventually played well there but I look at the dolphins game in Three hundred ninety six yards four touchdowns granted he was sub sixty percent. Completion percentage hundred four four point five rating I mean Either they lost the game and the dolphins weren't a good team but the dolphins were doing the same thing. The bengals were at the end of the season. They started writing some late season momentum. It was on the road. The bengals were way down in that game. It was it was pretty ugly and he just Kinda. There's no Aga. Green wasn't the the all around most efficient game. But he was kind of doing it himself that day. It because the Bengals weren't stopping Ryan Fitzpatrick on defense. They weren't doing a you know a work doing a lot of things right but he kinda put them on their on his shoulders. At Day and again again he couldn't sandbag it he could have called it quits based on what happened. This season where the bengals were in their record and he put up one of his best statistical performances of his career career so in a year where it's easy to bashing Andy Dalton and rightfully so and in a year off season where he may not even be on this team and next year. We got to give a little props here. I think with that performance. I Costa four hundred yards. Four total touchdowns One hundred and four. I think one hundred four point five quarterback rating So I I gotta give a little love on that in terms of an individual game performance Obviously the DUNLAP and Mixing Games our conversation as well the stats can almost be damned. Because in a way lot of the like you would think that you you know from how the game was going to the stats abused garbage time stats. But we really aren't because because he went over time in the east very easily could won that game. I think like in terms of efficiency like Z. Z.. Easy paper play was like below average in terms of that week so it wasn't like his greatest game but just from just from like an eye test. You saw that game for the first quarter order. Whatever it looked it looked like the bengals were taking look like just quit and something's flips and you'd like to think that Dole was the guy to said you know what screw this I don't want I don't want to go out this way? I don't want my legacy defined by how we quit this game and it was really just. There are a few moments in the season where you know. He had a few moments where it just showed a different level of passion in different level. I don't give a crap type mentality in any any hazardous gaming eight. Medical made a lot of good throws in in the end of the game win against against the dolphins defense. Whatever and they were down by three touchdowns at a point but it really showed he didn't WanNa quit and there's there is something to be said about that? I know that Like myself I would prefer if they lost that game in the first place but you can with with how the result went. It's good look back at the game to see that you. You know their quarterback Throwing the talent in didn't WANNA go out that way and the numbers look good in the end but you could just see that there was a certain. There's a certain passionate is is that you you would like to see your quarterback A franchise that has this reputation about it. You know finish out his career with the team like that and thankfully he got the win. The next the next week Officially went on a high note. But it was it was kind of good to seen in For did not throw the towel like it. Looked like he was going to be for the first half that the game right and You know not only know. Aj agree no automate So you know. He's basically John Ross in a bunch of guys I mean the tight ends played a big role in everything and those guys are talented but You know the other thing too is that it helped We'll get to more awards awards here just a second but it really helped his potential trade value. Yes you look at it seven touchdowns six interceptions since he returned to the lineup after being benched but four of those against the Patriots for those interceptions game against the against the Patriots alone he played I mean he. We had two games with zero interceptions. And then he had one against the browns and then of course against the jets. You could have actually had two more touchdowns should have had COULDA WOULDA SHOULDA had two more touchdowns downs there if not for the drop so You know I think in that sense that game also really helped the trade value potentially if the bengals are going to move move him so You know kind of a two pronged approach there like you said John. The reason I probably wouldn't have picked out one if the bengals had lost by ten points or fourteen points or something But really some of them were garbage time stats turn into very very important statistics as an almost won that game where we're going next. I honestly forgot will do for the final word. You remember Come back come back. Come clear the year all right. I'll go. I kinda like tongue in cheek but it may not be officially. I'm going to Carl. Carlson awesome because he missed all missed half of twenty eighteen with Tornado. And we've seen in the past. The Giovanni Bernard is a good example about guys who terrorists heels can late in the year and you wonder how quickly are they gonNA come back into the fold. How quickly are they going to look like their old self and loss and that was very frightened about how you know there s rushing group was gonna look with relying on Lawson to be his old self because they didn't really add any additional towns? Carry Win who went on. I are like the week four or five or whatever so they were putting a lot of pressure on Lawson to be to be the same player that he was in two thousand seventeen when he was such a dominant force as a rookie. And the sack. DOC numbers Five but I think he came back about as well as he could have expected immediately. INEQUALITY PERFORMANCE AGAINST SEATTLE TO OPEN UP THE EAR INN. Kinda Kinda Geno Atkins where he had. A lot of quarterback. Hurries did a lot of damage in terms of trusting the pocket. But it didn't exactly resolved a lot of quarterbacks finishes whatnot but I think in terms of the pressure after that they put on him coming back from an injury to really take the similar load in terms of snaps in in in terms of responsibilities as a pass rusher and he looked about as well as as I think we could have expected coming off the injury. We would like to see more progress going into your four. Obviously and he could be a comeback player next year if he performs even better which if he's fully unhealthy. I think we fully expect him to do so but I think also the scheme change also helped him out as you now rushing more into point stances. Any honesty improved Elisa run-defender as well when he was in those situations nations where he can send an edge you know with a two point stance on what is announced linebacker. So the the the the scheme change for rooms defense going suet more of an odd for look at benefitted benefitted Hubbard Benefit Lawson anything with him coming back the way he did off. The twenty obviously wasn't a great year by any means. Obviously Guys Hubbard and Dunlap. outshined him there but for how disastrous it could have been in terms of their death at edge rusher with Lawson played with how he came back to the draft. Think he deserves. There's some type of recognition there. That's a good. It's a good one. It's a good one you you serve me up easy dude you really did You know there are a couple love elements of criteria to a comeback player of the year. You know oftentimes you think about injury. That's kind of the biggest deal. Then you come back from the injury and you play. The player plays as well the following year after a pretty big injury sometimes as in the case of John Kitten in two thousand and three he one company the NFL's Comeback Player of the year. Because has he played so outstanding after a subpar year where he was kind of in and out of the lineup in two thousand and two in nearly led the bengals to the postseason So it kind of depends on your definition in of of what you what you want to give the award here. But I gotta go without Tyler I for I gotta go tyler I for You know played four games the year prior we we all know the injury history. I mean one game at twenty fourteen. Eight Games twenty sixteen played in two games in two thousand seventeen four games in two thousand eighteen for the first time in his career. He played in sixteen games last year out granted it was because they may have put him unequivocal pitch. Count a kind of moved him in the wind up a bit. But still contributed had the second most receptions. He's ever had his career with forty three had the the third highest amount of receiving yards. He's ever had with four thirty six An had the third highest touchdown receiving touchdown total of his career with three so so he contributed even through all the offenses issues through Andy. Dalton's issues dem weathering the storm with a new coach play collar the offensive line problems. He still contributed. He played all sixteen games. He you know finally leveraged himself on these Provea deals. He finally gave himself a little bit of contract negotiation leverage this year. So good for him personally. Hopefully you know I kind of got a soft spot for the guy given what he's gone through and what we we seen that he can do when healthy the appears to like it in Cincinnati as well so I I I kind of like to see the team resigned him maybe to a you know another short term deal not necessarily one year but maybe a two year deal three year. Deal that sort of thing if it's a an incentive laden thing and he's he's open for that but I've gotta give him props. I gotta give him props you know he He suited up. He played well and You know there were times where you kind of wished he was in. The lineup mourned the in the goal. Line formations I disappeared. They wind up a bunch of times. I don't really know what that was about. But when his number was called upon more often than not he made some big plays and continue to look like the pass catching threat that he has been for for a lot of years. So Comeback Player of the year for me is the Reifer and his whole situation. It was weird. Because you're right like there times where you would like to see him on the field more in that was in when seeing that it became evident that they were just using him on a pitch out throughout the season. You know being oh six seven onate damned. They didn't really care at that point. They still wanted to maintain a certain plan with effort and it. It works for someone like him who can thrive in terms of situational Time you know scenarios in terms of terms of the offense where they are on the field but it's almost like like him being healthy and being consistently productive times he wasn't the field. It's almost like you know. Goes against the bengals expectations now. They might have played out of what they're comfortable giving him because they give him. Also your deal. They would be expected to playing more and they could be less comfortable giving him more snap she goes. It's more likely gets injured. It's a whole back and forth type thing that I think they're gonNA have after Russell within the next month before free agency begins. I wouldn't be surprised if he test. The market in other team throws a lot more money than at than the bengals would be willing to do. That also wouldn't be surprised it's like you said they give them some type of incentive laden deal to stay in the tight end group but it comes down to what they feel about your sample because the CG's on a multi year deal. But I I think for for my point of view this is the best. Possibly you know to to maintain healthy to not you know practice practice from US leap is gala. Ah Practices loss and to just be productive when when numbers called him he's GonNa he's GonNa have the opportunity to make love to make more money than he's ever had this off season before he turns thirty so definitely good frame and once you all worked out for him. Yeah yeah good guy too. Yeah I don't know if you've had any interaction with but I've I've met the guy. He's he's a really really really good really good guy So could you know after all he's been through as well you know could be happier that it's not an outstanding statistical mystical season by any stretch. But you know he. He played pretty well. He played pretty well. So those are the awards for this week. I think John Lewis. I missed one that we wanted to it was at the last one was the last one thought. So yes so. Those are some of the awards. I don't think we have any more we may. We may come kind of gets creative. Live in maybe come up with a couple of want but for the most part I think that is going to conclude you twenty nine thousand nine season awards For us we will be having these posts on Cincy junk dot com as well as I mentioned some of them will be different from the ones we've presented on this show and they will have a voting poll option on there so definitely check. Those is out. Leave your comments and sound off on your winter as well and this is the orange. Black Insider Bengals podcasts. Have mentioned before. Get our show on any number of platforms leave leave us a rating subscribe to our channels and check out the other podcasts. Early on the orange black insider whether it's met Mimic Stock Chalk talk or orange. Orange is the new black on the jungle. podcast channel. Check that podcast out to lots of stuff going on there. And we're excited about the the diverse group of grouping of shows that were bringing you guys so hopefully you enjoy them as well. John Lewis finished up with are twenty twenty prospect watchlist. We've done a number of different players. I've kind of focused. I guess if you if you watch my list. It's it's a pack twelve well heavy yeah. PAC twelve football. And Hey you know I kind of hope that maybe a lot of people who don't listen to a lot of people who listen to this show do not watch PAC twelve football because oftentimes games are on late so You know and I just noticed a lot of players while watching those games so I guess that's what I bring to the table here but you have also been. You've been quite a bit more diverse in terms of where you've grabbed players and spotlighted them but really what we've tried to do in case you haven't heard this before not only. Are we looking at players that we specifically like and intrigue us. But we look at the bengals needs. We look at their trends in who they liked potentially draft where they usually like to draft these guys and where they may draft some some of these guys in this coming class so that's kind of where we built this list and compiled some of these lists of players. We've Gosh I think we've at least gone through. Maybe six eight players each now John. We've we've got a live each there so you have. I think we're going offensive line this week so you have a specific interior offensive. Linemen that you wanted to spotlight this week as I was GonNa look at Solomon Kinley stalling Kinley or kindly the left guard from the University of Georgia I I heard about him For my good friend Ryan Patrick. Who is my guy in terms of identifying offense lineman before I really get into the draft process? He was really high on him so I decided to give him a look and he he liked me has a little bit of Georgia. Bison you know they they tend to. They tend to produce good guys up fronts so when watching him the first thing notices. He's pretty he's pretty big. He's like six four three hundred thirty pounds but it doesn't really move that way and when I was down the senior bowl the thing I look for in guards move laterally in terms of the zone concepts that Jim. Turner was trying to employ the practices. And you can get a clear sense about which guys are more comfortable getting downhill or more or can also get dr stepping laterally in reached the space for for being three hundred thirty three hundred forty pounds kidney moves very well of his stance. I think a lot of natural explosion. There is not allowed to wasted movement in steps. They do a lot of different things in that Georgia. Offense was a lot of power concepts. But there is a There's a handful of dismount zone in there. As well I think he's pretty diverse versatile in terms of his movement skills Being three hundred pounds. It should go without question. This anchor is very solid. You know once he gets his hands on you it. It does not allow moving him backwards so past protections very clean the thing about his hands that he has really quick hands but they can get a little bit too high and A Matter of leverage just a matter of placement you ideally want high or low in type inside hands in terms of getting into the sternum with him. It's more of the quickness is fine. He gets his hands on really quickly. Almost gets too high almost around like the neck area and when it gets that high hands up almost having chicken wings for in punches hunches and his hands in his elbows his arm a little bit wide and dealing with calls. Pass rushers Defense Vince they don't really have a lot of counter moves to kind of disengage. When when you're facing acing Nomura adapt who have plans to disengage from you? You know having your elbows in your arms not tight inside it can get you into trouble because guys can swipe away those hands if you don't have it in the correct spot so that's something that he really has to work on has protection and really in roadblock in general you like to see better and placement getting to his landmarks EXC wicker because the athleticism again for his size is very good. But it's really just about the HAM policeman getting into this landmarks to really drive guys out or to reach guys in get them out of of response in terms of zone. But you know that's that's really the biggest question. Mark a heifer because everything else he moves very well. Obviously you know the quickness in the whole process beginning of in pass protection says is very solid when he strikes well you know when he gets his hands on a good place. You know. There's really nothing you can do about it. And lastly you know this is something Ryan major I mentioned. He's a finisher and he'll he'll drive guys to the ground most on multiple occasions during the game. He's very active in pass protection. Other passing guys off or picking up free Russia's prison terms zone-blitz so I think he's very cerebral in terms of working with his his center and left tackle. He played next to injure Thomas who supposed to be a first round pick so he has chemistry. You know working with guys guys of that caliber as well. I just think you know looking at when the draft Sandy Dolny Guard George in the fourth round in Clint bullying who have positional versatility. Unfortunately personally Kinley doesn't have that I think he's been primarily Aleph guard throughout his career but if they want to add guard in between rounds three or five or maybe no five is I guess you would say his floor in that general range while experience a lot of experience going up against tough competition and a lot of the trace of you want often slim to have community league I think Kinley has has done in spades along with plenty of size and more athleticism for a guy that you would expect that site so I think he's one of the more underrated offense lineman prospects who is kind of outshine by some with these rising names at the guard position. But I think he's more of the more stable prospects than you'd expect and you can get it for decent values wall. So where do you see you. See Him at Probably a day three. Heidi three pick Yeah I think I think fourth-round is about where you would expect them to go. I think depending on how he tests could maybe sneak into the third. It's very hard to project guys like that. Who aren't these these household names because guys get overdrafted every single in this surprises with the fact that he's comes from a programmatic Georgia's produce a lot of good offense lineman's Has Allowed experience to him and I think how how he test the common is going to really determine what draft processes because characterize. He's extremely very very much. Like trae. Hopkins where you know. It's just a very quiet guy doesn't really go allowed. That much doesn't like a party just wants to practice focused on football But also I think it also come down to people feel as like in high school. He was apparently the eight three hundred seventy pound lifeguard who actually saved the life of Life of swore when he was on duty. Now he's done a hundred forty three thirty pounds. I think going down to three hundred twenty pounds can help him a lot not too so you see that. He used to be a lot more than than he was. And it didn't affect negatively his strength is placed but it did increases overall classes of so I think even cutting a little bit more way do wonders for him and potentially opened up doors. You know playing on both on both sides of the center and being Adept in both zone advancing so I think getting him down a little bit more in terms of weight can can you allow wonders ferment. At how team seed he can do that will affect his draft stock. I think so I you know will will Smith Not The rapper and actor In our live youtube chat talked about how you know the Georgia line must've been amazing. Me and the two tackles are going to be drafted. Probably within the first four rounds I would think and then you're mentioning here. The interior offense lineman a lot of good players on the George George Offensive Line. We do know that the the bengals like Georgia guys. They like them there. Are they have drafted quite a few players from Georgia Granted that was Marvin Lewis era but they have traditionally liked that any like the SEC. The competition in the end the talent level. That's in the SEC. So do not be surprised if a Georgia player in one of these offensive. Lineman ended up in Cincinnati. I'M GONNA go with another offensive lineman this time on the outside and it is Austin Jackson accent of USC. I saw a lot of this kid because I watched quite a bit of USC football. And you know I kind of look at other draft profiles I kind of created in my own on this kid particularly in the final couple of games of the season but I I really liked on the draft draft network Ben and so lack three words to begin. The pros of this kid looks the part. And that's exactly. I mean that. Just sums it up so eloquently. He's big he's athletic. He's he's not if you look at attack on you kinda see. He's not an Andre Smith. Bill right it is long and lean and strong and he is an athletic well-built. Well put together kid at six six in about three ten three fifteen and depending on his playing weight but really ideal size very good athleticism and it's upside upside upside with this kid. I it's it's he's a junior so there are some potential development issues in. You need to kind of be patient with this kid but there is a lot to alike about this kid and I could see him being a target that goes in the top of the second round maybe even if pre draft workouts go well the columbine combined does well he could sneak himself into the first round if if folks get enamored with his athleticism with his build and see that they could develop him. I'm in You know at the next level I think you could play him at either spot at either tackle spot. I think ideally for the Bengals as you may want him to be your left tackle and you may want Jona with the shorter arms. Go over to write. That may not be the immediate plan. Maybe a stick nick with Joan on the left and as as this kid development. He's you're right tackle. But this he could be a guy that is a plug and play guy. He'll he might take a few bumps along along the way. It may be a little rough going in the first part of his career because he is young because he needs development. But I like a lot of what I see on out added this kid. There's one thing worries me about this kid and it was in the bowl game against Iowa. He got absolutely dominated by. Aj Apenisa Lisa. The the first round edge defender by Iowa I think he had a a second. Half two sacks in Jackson was was a up the guy that was blocking him he got by him caught him off balance just really just made him look kind of silly on a couple of occasions in that game and what worries reas- me is that that's the caliber of player. He's often going to be facing in the pros and I saw that same thing in Jona Williams in the national championship game against the Clinton Defensive Line where those guys all went basically in the first two rounds. So I think it was Cleveland Farrell. Maybe that that was That got passed Williams in the National Championship game a couple of years ago. That worried me a little bit with Joanna that this worries me. A little bit with Awesome Jackson Jackson accent. As a first round projected player edge defender really kind of had him on skates in their most important one of their most important games of the year. Their bowl game And really his most important showing of the year the bowl game where a lot of the eyes were watching I I really thought that that game was going to be a little bit. Closer between those two teams is because of where they were ranked in how they were playing and You know unfortunately I was defense. made a lot of plays including ebony set against against the trojans and and Jackson there but I think this kid is a I see a Lotta Anthony Collins in this kid but but much much higher ceiling a CD. ATHLETICISM versatility I. I see a guy who's not a fringe starter like Anthony Collins. But I see I see a lot of similar traits. It's where you go if he was sitting. You're you're saying yourself wisn this guy playing somewhere along the offensive line. He's too good to be on the bench And I think that he he he has a very very high ceiling. The floor could be a little low You know I think you just have to. You have to be patient with them you have to know. Oh He's a little bit developmental and that's what you're getting with a highly talented player if you're going with him in the second round maybe even if he slides to the third. I don't see that happening. But if he's if he's in the second round there's a reason for that it's talent but there are some concerns. I like him. I don't absolutely love them. But that's a guy that should be in the conversation if the bengals are looking at a tackle at number thirty three that was my biggest concern with him as well and I think Matt Miller of Had some comments on that we're lagging. Oh he is intriguing being but he. He basically failed the biggest test his career. That's the one thing that you look off tackles who don't go up against you know high quality passers that often albeit as you in southern cal is a good program but once were and you know you know. They're they're quality Transit schedules of the quality of talented. They play against you know. They're often lines Dwindles here and there so you know. He obviously failed the eye of the Iowa Was a big red flag for me. And it's almost like you know you're dealing Offense attack Who has all these physical traits? And but if he doesn't have you know the technical stuff there obviously he's not a I. Trump prospect regarded. It's almost like how much are you. Willing to invest in terms of time in terms of new refinements against him to where he needs to be in order to warrant a drastic that high. And it's asking the question of whether or not the bengals draft offense to tackle at high depending on how they feel about. You know the right tackle situation with Fred Johnson potentially competing with Bob Newhart. And whether or not you WANNA move John Williams to the right side. I think that when you have when you're dealing with the player like Jackson who has just as many question marks does positive traits in terms of what could be. It's almost like yes I. It's it's like you would want to draft him. You know I if he falls not really taken before anyone else does. It's also you want someone else to really take that risk but it really it comes down to if the coaching staff is committed to Ra. Now you know his deficiencies unlike what they were able to do Way He Jake fissuring. Obviously that was four or five years ago on a different regime so it will depend on how Jim Turner fields about analysis. Taylor feels about him. If they're willing to invest in those positive traits to get out all the bad stuff right now because like you said. He's very young he's a junior and he's got a lot of room to grow and it really is about what their commitment is to getting into where he needs to be. Because I don't know if I trust him starting over even a guy like bobby heart with where he is right now but I think he's. The type of player of the bengals would be interested in investing in. It just wouldn't be. I guess at early drafts. Yeah it would it. Would I need to be you know. Maybe he falls to the top of the third and they and they haven't grabbed tackle yet. This is too good to pass up type of thing. This isn't a finished product like tyrant Smith from. US years years ago. This is that who was a top ten. Pick of the cowboys. This is a guy that that needs some work. Did you better than Shula Yoga from last year I Vicky Nikki has higher upside. I had to. We talked about Yuma doggone show last year and I had him third roundish. Maybe fourth round. I think he went in the third round of the jets. Yeah so You know I I. I think that was more a little bit better. Her Chuma Adoga was a little bit more polished but didn't have the athleticism and raw ability as Jackson Jackson has the raw ability but I think needs some coaching and whatnot to go going forward and who knows you know like I said this could be a guy that teams somebody falls in love with maybe a Pete Carroll towards the back end of the first with the seahawks they need offensive line helped. Maybe he's like that's the guy I want Because he's obviously well tapped into USC or maybe he's a guy that everybody's like this is. This is too risky. This high. We got away end. ABC's there at the at the top of the third and all of a sudden the values there so You Know I. It's it's intriguing to me where he's going to land but He has the athleticism. E has is like I mentioned in like Ben so like mentioned of the draft network quote unquote looks the part. That's exactly the thing which you don't know is if he you know looks like Tarzan plays Jane or or what have you type of thing Hopefully he's he's a guy that that was some coaching grooming ends up. Become you know becoming a very good offensive lineman but intriguing gyn on the less so those are two prospects prospects. This week will continue our twenty twenty prospect. Watch going forward and I'll try branch out away from the pack twelve find able but I'm not going to change so feel free to you yeah So desert those are two guys this week and we hope you've enjoyed the twenty twenty prospect. Watch we'RE GONNA do. I don't know what we we always say final thoughts but I feel like it's so cliche maybe curt call. I don't know what you want to call but You know we we can kind of sometimes at the end of the show Kinda try and collect some thoughts in and give a give a little nugget of INFO or whatever to send you off off with. There's some talk in the live chat. There's been a lot of talk on radio row this this past week before the Super Bowl in on twitter on on radio shows all all kinds of different chatter about jober Oh Carson Palmer. People People Warning Joe Borough about going to Cincinnati being the top. Pick all that kind of stuff. It's ranged from Solomon Wilcox who was on What is it dolar? What's that I always think? It's always thing is Dana Dole. I know but it's not I know he's he's with. CBS sports if you had Carson Palmer Join Takeaways. Dan Patrick Show borough also on the Dan. Patrick Show and Dan Patrick who is in Ohio native kind of trying to almost dissuade Jonesboro ago. It's going to Cincinnati or at least warning him about the pitfalls of Cincinnati Got Carson Palmer Cheney chiming in. You've got all kinds of stuff and it really has come to a head over the past couple of weeks. Granted his father Jimmy Borough. Oh his kind of said. I don't know where this is coming from. Not He's just happy to be the number one to the topic in the draft or a high pick in the draft that sort of thing. I'm pretty sick of the chatter John namely because it's like when can we have something nice bright we. The bengals have sucked a suck last year. It was a rough season into not only do this show but to write about to watch the whole thing and you suffer through that to get the topic and you you think you have a franchise changing player you're Potentially heading to the bengals with the number one overall pick and instead of just kind of savoring that moment. We're hearing a lot of talking heads saying don't go. Oh there don't go there. You're not you're you're going to be unsuccessful they're pretty disheartening. Like all right we haven't we. Don't we. Don't hear about this with other quarterbacks going to like if there's a there's a consensus favor to go number one overall quarterback back. He's he's going to go to a bad team he's going to put team. It's not right at the moment up for success. This is not anything new written necessarily angel. Did the same thing with the colts The the rams the rams and the eagles were both pretty bad you know. They weren't as bad but they were pretty bad when they drafted Carson Winston Jared Goff's well the browns or the bronx the doctor Baker Mayfield. But we didn't hear anything about those guys shouldn't WanNa go to those franchises in. It's different this time. Because while Bengals fans like the point to the browns as the epitome of awful franchise and the franchise. They'll never get better with the bengals. It's different because the perception is that they don't try to get better and there's a difference prince between you know being bad but trying to do different things every single year. Changing ownership changed coaches staff with the bengals a level of gross complacency that is really marinated into the national media in as has created this perception that they're just never going to be anything more than what they are because they're not willing to take the steps necessary to get there and that's the narrative in the message that Carson Palmer has been trying to explain when he's been asked to talk about this it's Bows for. It's what Dan Dan Patrick's been consistently pushing on his radio. Show and you just don't hear others other franchises because the bengals are different level of historically bad because they had the same ownership for the past thirty years new show no progress in making any better but with the bengals. I think they're the best team to kind of handle all this because they're not gonna they're not going to sway. They're not gonNA cave under under the pressure of all this media coverage that they have they're going to stick to what they do best and that's just not talk and I think that's what the boroughs appreciate about this most because there's a direct line of communication between the boroughs. Zack Taylor with with the Nebraska connection. And I'm sure that Organizations reached out in some capacity to the family said. None of this noise means anything. I think the boroughs Russell what they said in regards to all this noise has kind of encapsulated. You know the fact that none of this means anything this coming from us. I think they appreciate the fact. That the Bengals in commenting on this and they're not the team that would be inclined to comment or or disprove any of this. They're just GONNA stick their hands in our pockets and they're gonNA make third choice to draft borough and I think that they appreciate that subtlety in that in that mindset that they have. That's why this isn't going to go the way that the national media wants to because they're feeling is fire of this narrative to try to create some noise because everybody knows this isn't Thing the the bengals are going to draft borough and there's only so much you can talk about you know when you cover all thirty two teams about something that's for sure GonNa Happen Seventy Days in the future so I understand why people are talking about this because it is something to talk about does get clicks it it does get two knuckleheads on a bengals Talking about it for ten minutes or whatever but at the end of the day Yeah it doesn't it doesn't mean anything in it will continue not mean anything winging will and when the draft comes it will officially mean nothing. Because it's not going to dissuade the bengals making this assistant back in a cave on his pressure and they're not gonna you know ruin a relationship borough because they've never done anything like this before and they won't start. Now the surprising thing to me John was the psalm. Wilcox thing SOM- Psalm Wilcox has done things he like. Anthony Munoz still works for the team in the preseason games I think. He's kind of one of their sideline guys now because he's no longer with. CBS and A.. And Truth be told. I have really enjoyed Salman Wilcox as an announcer as an analyst As personality in the sports world the he I I really liked his career. He's kind of a you know an underdog kind of guy who made a name for himself. I remember a year probably too young to remember this but when the bengals were making the transition from Dick Lebeau to Marvin Lewis in and they had a big decision to make with their coach and what they were going to do with their number one overall pick a lot of people and that the Cincinnati enquirer published. These wrote public letters to Mike Brown about pleading to him. About what what he should do in terms of coaching decision. And what he should do with the number one overall pick and some Wilcox was one of those guys and aw I found it very interesting that he sided with the guy who is completely at odds with the owner and a guy that Sauna Wilcox in a team that's on Wilcox kind of identified with still can't work for them in some capacity. I found that very interesting and a little disappointing joining not not disappointed. I'm not disappointed in Solomon Wilcox. I'm disappointed that there is a guy who has an inside perspective. A Guy who has been there done that and he he is still jumping on this bandwagon. The other big issue I have with this John. Is You know you I kind of optimistically. Think when the Bengals if even win the bengals draft Joe Borough number one overall. I'm thinking hey you know a lot of talking heads are are going to say this is the right. Pick this guy that's gonNa turn around the franchise and all that stuff i. I almost wonder that it's going to get worse in late. April early May in this in this regard than it is now I I think I think that there's going to be like odd. They're gonNA ruin him he's GonNa he's GonNa want out after four or five years Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. I don't I I guess like you. You said in like some people are saying on our live chat. I don't remember a team having a number one overall pick having such a talented and Highly touted guy that they are poised to take it number one overall. I don't remember team being raked over the coals this way and maybe it's deservedly deservedly so because of what the Bengals have done to former players the lack of success in all of that. It's just. They've turned this narrative narrative on its head and it's it's pretty surprising like there are ingredients to fuel the fire and understand where they are acquiring these agreements were in where they are making this fire in what I just think because we having the seen something like this since injury luck in terms of a consensus where there's no there's there's no discussion like honestly like all this talk about. You know the Bengals are going to ruin borough as kind of united the fan base from the days were be were so stupidly talking about drafting chase young for still raw instead of borough. It's kind of united all the fans to want burrow into realize that's That they need to make so. It's almost like the conversation. Shifted shifted entirely from one degree of cancer to this other degree of even bigger cancer in terms of what the media saying. And I don't I don't really blame Solomon Forty said because I think there is like I'm still supports Carson. Still believes what he says. I think that will cuts Understands what Carson in terms of how I think things ended with With him in that regard I don't think he was discrediting. The bengals specifically was more of it was more of just a realization of why an organization can't put got it all on what happened to me that right. That's that's what he was captured. This is what happened when I was there right right. And Yeah like I think it was more of a general statement about how teams should handle bringing a quarterback into the system and whether he was pessimistic if the are going to be any different or do the same thing in that regard but obviously as a close relationship with Palmer. I wouldn't expect him to completely betray his friend in that regard. But like you said you you still works anglicism capacity so for him to be that unequivocally unequivocally in agreement Palmer was a little bit shocking but again this is just you know. They're going around with this as long as they possibly can because they really have nothing else to talk about what this pick because it's the pick that's it's going to be made and when they do when they do pick does happened in out in the analyzed that they're not gonna say the Bengals made the wrong choice. They're not going to say that they should have taken it because he's going because going to ruin his career like this is the only choice that they have to make and this is what they have to talk about until then because they have nothing to talk about maybe this is just unfamiliar territory for us us because we we never experienced reporter right and and you know last year. Maybe maybe cardinals fans felt like God. They're piling on Kylie Murray because he's short and he you shouldn't be the pig maybe the rams and eagles with the Wednesday off discussion and all of that. Maybe that's what they were experiencing than I don't know I guess we just I haven't really been in this position. The bottom line is this and I know that you you mentioned that. The bengals are very good at tuning out exterior noise crawling in in their shell and not really addressing criticisms not really addressing certain issues organizational issues in and whatnot. This this this is a public challenge to the team whether they whether they want to admit it or not. I mean this is a public challenge by media by players by former players. All this stuff tuck. This is a challenge to say. Look you've got a golden ticket you've got Willie Wonka golden ticket here right. I mean you don't screw this up. Don't screw this up a being who you were in two thousand two nine thousand nine hundred four. Don't be that team right. Be The team that if you're going to pick this guy. Yeah he can change your franchise. But he's going to need help and learn from what happened with Carson Palmer move on and and be modern franchise they have. They're at a crossroads into it. And it's going to take a major shift in terms of who they've been but this is. This is kind of a public challenge to the team and they can say all we don't listen to even do Tobin when he spoke with you guys was Kinda like well reports reports in all you know. They say they don't listen to it. They hear it Across their desk they know about it so this is kind of a public challenge to them and I hope they they answer the challenge. I hope that they It just means they need to be the absolute most active team free agency. It doesn't mean they need to do all kinds of wheeling and dealing on draft as but some uh and they need to do they need to beef up their staffing. They need to empower their coaches. They need to empower their scouts. We know all the stuff they need to do things differently. And maybe aby drafting Jonesboro and having a number one overall pick is Kennedy impetus to that we will see that was a long curtain call but A good one I. It was thinking Jonah. Micah we we last couple episodes. We've got an hour and twenty. We've got our fifteen. We're not going to go there here. We are in our twenty again a well. Well what are you going to do anything else. Your man now man. I think I think we talked. We talked our heads off tonight. The witnesses or break we did. We didn't get our show on a number of audio platforms and on Youtube in Cincy. JUNGLE DOT COM. Subscribe to the channel. So you get alerted to when we go on the air live and or when new content is streamed on those channels check out all of our content leave us a rating. Hopefully a good one. If you are so inclined lined check out the podcast in our network. Matt Mimics talk as well as orange is the new black with Zim. 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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Bye-bye October

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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Bye-bye October

"What if all you're breaking news alerts had a voice what would that sound like it would sound like today? Explain its daily news podcast from vox. I'm Sean Ramos grim every day my team, and I take one essential news story, politics, two movies sports science, and we break it down into twenty minute episodes. Perfect for your ride home subscribed today. Explain on apple podcasts or wherever you listen from Stitcher, and the vox media podcast network. Everyone has a going with the orange black 'insider dangles podcast. We're so happy to have you with us. Once again, we hope you all had a happy and safe HOA. Wean we hope you dressed up well and had some had some fun out there. Whether you're taking your kids out or you're out there partying and having a good time. Hopefully, you had fun remain safe. All that good stuff. I'm joined by my co host John Aaron who had some fun of his own the weekend prior to two Wednesday. Jon you made it through. I guess a crazy party at Ohio University said so I did that go. I don't remember much to be honest. Dear. Remember, why not? My head or something. Really? No, oh you. I made it through. I'm glad glad you made with us in remember, some some parts enough that that made it made it fun and worth the trip for you. But I'm glad glad you're with us. Hey, it's it's the BI week. A lot of people are kinda taken a break from the Bengals and rightfully so in a way because this team has I might need to go onto blood pressure medication with this with this team this year, they just tended only frustrate but make things go down to the wire case in point right now this past week eight against the buccaneers they hosted Tampa Bay in a basically must win type of game before the by. And you know, right at the midway point, essentially. And now they've got a half a season left like saying, you know, a lot of people are kind of taking a step back from the Bengals during the bye week. You're coming up on Sunday. But we are not we're going to talk about the Bengals we're gonna talk about a number of different subjects will kick it off with the bucks. Tennyson breakdown of that. We've got an interesting question of the night that will discuss and we want your feedback from the live listeners live the people are tuning in live on YouTube and or the cincy jungle comment threads. And then we are gonna give out some midseason awards since he jungle dot com is giving those out his well, John I are going to narrow ours down and kinda wittol a handful of awards down to one person, we think is the winner of each of of some specific categories. And then we'll take some listener questions at the end. So you can get in touch with us on the orange black insider line nine four nine five four to six two four one can open up the phone lines later in the show, but you can text us throughout the show. But for phone calls. We're gonna open that up later so get in touch with us, Dan, or you can hit us up on Twitter at Bengals OB I in the live YouTube chat or in the comment. Threads cincy jumper with your questions. We're gonna take a couple at the end of the program. John. We're win game on Sunday against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the Bengals. A kind of a tale of two halves and a tale of. Really it's to the Bengals have been this year. Very Jacqueline Hyde very feast or famine. I guess I can start with your thoughts on the Bengals not only grabbing a mental leaves at at some point in this in this game. They had a twenty one point lead and two different eighteen point leads. They let those vapid obviously as we know the the game got tied late late in the game. Bengals came back in one on a last second field goal by Randy Bullock. But your thoughts are only they're getting up on team by that much. But also letting him back in and is is just a byproduct of a quarterback change in weren't well prepared for that. I think it was the buccaneers provided a perfect storm for the Bengals in terms of playing a quarterback who was very turnover prone. We've been stirred if living dying by four concur nervous. And combine that with defense that was very very soft and from which allowed to do whatever they wanted in the running game in on plenty of time in the pocket targeted. Tyler Boyd move the offense with big plays. So all those things the both of those things really combined to provide an explosive first half. But as we've seen in the history of Marvin Lewis, there's never a foot down the gas pedal writers never rarely any weeks where they really close out blowout wins in not let the team come back in. I think James Watson had been kept in the game. Probably wouldn't have been as closer than. But obviously the chains. Fitzpatrick no Bengals probably won't prepare for that for a quarterback that were that was able to torch their questionable defense and just in general the Bengals defense isn't the designed to bend not break. Right because we've seen linebackers. Give up a ton of yards in the passing game. And when we saw quarterback who was able to successfully read, you know, their defense be called make smart decisions in torture them in especially with big plays down the field. So it was just that natural. You know in the marvelous era a defense that doesn't really snuff out opponents it just kind of prevents them from scoring in canning mistakes. And when the change in quarterback came in kind of disrupted all their plans, and then you had an offense who may priority again, Marvin Lewis TRAN just don't turn the ball over when you're leaning. If you win the tournament value probably win the game had no interest in scoring in the second half that has had interest of trying to keep the clock. We're being in when the bucks finally figured out what they were doing. They're able to stop them the entire second half up until last minute. And it really bit him the dust for those two things. So I think it was just a matter of of preparation for for Fitzpatrick, which I don't blame that much. But it was the similar tendencies that we've seen in. You know, a game were Marvin Lewis 's up by multiple scores, and he doesn't do enough to keep them at bay or. Carless of the circumstances. Mike Myers in the live YouTube. Chats is getting tired of giving up. These huge leads to squeak out a close win Sharieff Willis's give DC assuming that means to coordinator the axe. Now, I'm referring to tear lost in there. Obviously, kind of a big scapegoat. And rightfully so in terms of fan, I r- against this year. Let's talk about the defense for a second. Because like you said essentially utterly dominant against James woods Winston. And then totally collapsed against Ryan Fitzpatrick. So I mean on one hand the Bengals remedied a lot of different issues that plague them in that two game losing streak against the Steelers chiefs in that five sacks against Tampa Bay more interceptions. One of which was a pick six. So you gotta like that. But. Almost white goes over five hundred fifty probably close to six hundred total yards. They gave up ears and that is the that carried over from the two losses, but basically throughout the rest throughout the first eight games of the season in total. So. I mean, are are you courage because of the I mean, the big sack numbers the interceptions our courage that they're taking steps in the right direction in the yards. Basically a by product of a lot of injuries lotta new faces still adjusting, or is it like you said, they're kind of bento break feast or famine is this just who they're going to be this year. I think it is just too. They are with our ready a very crappy linebacker situation. And I would say that if it's Patrick started the whole game, they probably don't finish six sex, definitely finish a foreigner substance. The game is definitely closer. If not the Bengals lost this game. If it's Patrick play the whole game. But I just think that. It was just that that tumultuous switch quarterback really just turned everything on their heads. Because you know Winston once he started making bad mistakes. You know, he got frazzled in the pocket net, obviously enhance the pass rush to do with the ended up doing. And then I I really don't think that Tampa Bay had a good plan in the first half to really attack the Bengals defense because you know, the had so much excess with just reading Winston in deciphering his decisions. And I just think that with the defense specifically where they are right now, they don't have any linebackers as long as Nick vigils out there. They're always gonna torch things of the middle. And it's just so tiresome to watch them do the same things over and over, and you just have to rely on Jesse Bauge plane out of his mind. Both both William Jackson, Drake. Patrick defending downfield routes in Carlos Dunlap in Gino Atkins carrying pass, especially now, the car Lawson is done for the your. I think that's I think that's a bigger loss than I think maybe some of us. We're not really talking about enough because lots only has. Onset when he's gotten many pressures just as many as Carlson lab through eight weeks this season. So it they really need to figure out how they how they can compensate for the lack of him. I think at any trades that would have been plausible the trade in life would have been foreign edge to compensate for that because I don't think Jordan Wilson's ready yet. I like I love SAM's Hubbard is done flashes. But he's not ready to provide that consistency the loss. Did I think that's honestly going to be a bigger issue than what we've may be haven't been talking about? What are you my friend? Are they the king of the segway and the king of previewing what what will be talking about in just a little bit here. This is the orange black insider Bengals podcast. He's John cheer. I'm Anthony Costanza. We are previewing while not previewing. We are breaking down the Bengals win against the buccaneers a much needed win for the Bengals head into the by. You can get this program on itunes on art nineteen on YouTube on cincy, jumbled dot com or also on Stitcher into Google play app. So. Check out our content on all that stuff. And we appreciate all the support. Subscribe to our channels. We really appreciate the support that we've received for this program in some of the changes that this program has gone through over the past couple of years, but growing in doing a lot of noon, cool stuff. So we're, but but still staying true to our route. So pretty pretty stoked on that continuing on with the buccaneers talk just for a little bit longer. John. You mentioned the loss in injury. That's kind of where I was going to go next. Just maybe expand on the the loss. Dare of you know. His not being in the lineup. You can't imagine. You're not too. Sure about Willis in Hubbard at this point. I guess an even more big picture got loss in done for the year. I for done for the year Kroft has been out for a long time vigil has been out for a long time. Giovanni Bernard has been out for a long time. The Bengals miss Joe mixing for a little while. We don't know what's going on with AJ green. We thought it was minor. Now, it's kind of getting to be a little bit of a gray area there. I'm pretty sure he'll be okay. But you know, if it ends up being turf toe thing those deck and winger. The Bengals, you know. You hate to have that excuse, but they have really been hit hard by the injury bug loss in his kind of the most recent example of that. Yeah. I was scared of a sketch comedy about like, it'd be so typical agent Green's injury ended up being like Billy prices for was at. I didn't I didn't want to jinx it. But I guess it's still on the table. I guess and obviously with I mean boy can't care receive receiving course of not out there, obviously a giant issue. But by we came in perfect time, obviously we should be getting price back into the line of should beginning GIO back into maybe. Nick vigil the week after that navy Tyler Kroft the week after that all those be tremendous additions the lineup. And I think done a decent job of, you know, getting the guys in the can obviously as talented in it. It's nice when it's next man up except quoting Jogi bay here. When the next man kinda sucks that was really the that was really the case with the linebackers. I think Evans played well has played well in Nollie Burford stabbed also vigil said, but he still probably not at this point of starting caliber linebacker, even though he is not like a young Vincent Ray. At more more athlete in younger. Vincent, very where. He rectified. Hackles, but maybe not aggressive in his run fits as you would like him to be an just going back to Lawson again. I I wonder if this is gonna change how they rotate with defensive line because we saw dolphins Washington. Get a lot of snaps inside in there for Hubbard snaps outside. Maybe that's the new nickel. Maybe you have Washington go inside upper taking place on the outside leaving Willis tubes rotation in with Johnson at base obvious Johnson's gonna be naturally on the field longer. I don't think that's obviously anything. Good to write home about the need guys step up there. I like what I've seen from Washington. I think he had his first sack of the Bengals against the bucks in obvious. Need needs to bring a decent pass rushing presence? But as long as Atkins in keep at the pace of their on. Which is no reason that they aren't pass for should be. Okay. I think their top ten units in PFM green system and with a secondary. Hopefully, Jerker Patrick's you isn't too bad because we've kinda dogged on. Dog on on this program. But in all fairness statistically, he has been all right in the past four game. So it's nice that not only dairy Phillips though, so covari Russell Russell has gone snaps. But you'd like to see your starting quarterbacks out there as well. Yeah. You know, I'm trying to look at. Some of the guys that are out there from defensive end perspective on terms of free agents in there's just. Not really many out there. And you know, you you mentioned a second ago about you know, the trade deadline all that kind of stuff in the Bengals could've may be swung h braid. Four defensive enterance rusher in they didn't do that. So we can talk more about that. In a second. Kind of wrapping a bow little bit on the buccaneers game. John. Are you are you encouraged for the next finally games coming up down the stretch? Or are you kinda are you kinda sitting here going? This is this legitimately sitting at a craps table. I have no idea what's going to happen here. Yeah. And at the end of the second half tweed like we can enjoy 'cause I thought at the time of the we're gonna win by a lot. And I was saying like we can enjoy this win will recognize another still legitimate issues. And then there's legitimate issues creeped up in the second half. And you're like, okay. This is just this is this is a win. But we can't really treat it as like a step in the right direction. Because the did a lot of things that they've done the season. Good wise in her bad things kind of crept up when it got better quarterback in there. And that's kind of the nature of the sleek. Right. If you don't have the better quarterback playing for your team. Odds are going to lose especially if you have a coach shoes pre stubborn in his schematics in his philosophies and all that stuff so long as the Bengals are playing the team. You're gonna be tough against the saints. Obviously playing Ben Rothlisberger. Again, Philip rivers is gonna be tough. There's just a lot of good quarterbacks left on the schedule. And the defense can't continue to allow five hundred yards in expect any dull match week after week is they're not gonna play the bucks every single week. And it was nice that the that the scored all the points can spokes cannibal be expected them to do against defense that bad. But. It's the same issues that have plagued them, and even if they did win it's still prevalent issues that there should be major concerns about. Right. And you know, we talk about these comeback wins in how that, you know, they've come back, and yeah, you gotta like what they what you saw out of the team against Tampa in terms of they you know, they just kinda slouched a little bit in the back of Yannick kick the field goal today came back against the Steelers. The other kind of come Miami's a decent team. You know, the kind of came back against them the falcons, I mean, they're they're kind of underachieving a little bit this year the came back against him. So you're kind of seeing you're gonna while. I mean, yeah, they've got some nice wins. But how how while how high of quality or the opponents in some of these, you know, some of these comeback wins are. Last question for you about the buccaneers game that will move on. It seems to me and I don't have. I think I've seen some things from maybe our friend. Josh Kirkstall may be joking. Various well. But it seems to me that the third quarter for this team is awful. Especially the offense. I don't know what that is. That was very much on display against Tampa Bay. They started off the second half with four straight three and outs and then their fifth possession. They gotta think one first down punted the ball away. And then I think they're six possession was the one where they drove down and take the winning deal. So thank God for Jesse betas pick six because you know, this could be of it. We're talking about a different outcome. Basically at that point. I want to talk about too fast. It's about the third quarter offense in and some of the offense of line play in all of that number one is at just a lack of adjustments by the laser in the team. Number two is that. You in your weekly Lyman pieces since he jungle you noted the trae Hawkins is play or at least last week play. Very well at center, you mentioned Billy price probably will be coming back after the bye. Went bowling left. The Tampa Bay game back injury Chris Westman entered. I mean. Is there is there a shuffling of the line? And how big of the impact was bowling being out in terms of contributing to that those third quarter woes and do you see a price Hopkins? Starting lineup being the best viable option. And do you think the Bengals will do that? So I think both these questions can intertwine with each other something I've noticed specifically with the ravens and the the buccaneers game is that book game started off with offense of explosion. They can it's gonna be a blow out. And then something kinda switched in the second half in mentioned halftime adjustments as we all know Bengals fans. They don't exist. There. So I don't know. Don't exist. I think that there have been adjustments made by both the ravens I'm just thinking those two but has been with other defenses. Well, there's been a lot of has been a change in the protection with the first half and second half of the Bengals off line. I think in both games specifically both defenses gal lot more creative in their pass rushers less. Love more stunts delay blitzes twits, his twists linebackers rushing off to point stands the kinda confused. The Bengals offense lime when you have guys like Bobby hard knocks revenue have given up a crapton pressures this year in even cordy Glenn had a rough stretch in the middle of the first half of the season. The kinda shoulder flaws a little bit ended up, you know, Don with under under more pressure in as we seem him. Once he gets flustered. It's kinda hard from kind of bounce back. And then coupled that with the fact that yet things, but also is it's just been him going with the fifteen play script in the beginning of the game in not much really changed after that doesn't really evolve as the game goes on defense start to pick up on it. And think when defenses are noticing what they're doing getting more surprising, creative with their pressure packages in just recognizing what the Bengals doing leads the stalls in. It's up to either laser or dulling the kind of recognize, hey, they're changing things up needed chasing too. Because if they don't then second half, like the buckskin bucks can happen. And maybe another game a quarterback of Ryan Fitzpatrick caliber is playing the entire game in instead of giving up a comeback. They're getting blown out of the water thing. It's Kansas City. Yeah. And it's gonna be. Interesting to see it sounds like based on our or buddy Jeff Hobson over a Bengals dot com. It sounds like Holly. What's that? Yeah. I think I think we'll be heard is that price back center. So I do think that in price center guards the best. But I think we're gonna obscene price Redman at San. And you gotta you gotta like I mean Hopkins says have been outstanding is entire tenure in relief of price. But he's been serviceable if not a little bit more, so. He's been Restivo dime. So which I mean, I could probably better risk. But. But. You have to you have to give give a tip of the cap to to trae Hawkins because technically center is not his primary position. You know? He sees a guard by trade, and he played pretty decent in absence of Billy price in. You know that now has to come back and say, okay. Well, why not why not price Hopkins on the you know, middle right side of the line. And and kind of keep going from there. Alex Redmond is given up like you said a lot of pressures, but it sounds like from Bengals dot com in Marvin Lewis is recent talk with with the media that that is not in the cards. It sounds like prices going back to center, and there's been no mention of if Hopkins will be inserted in lineup over Alex Redmond. But I I don't I don't think that's happening. Yeah. This is the orange black insider Bengals podcast. He's John cheer in. I'm Anthony Costanza. And we're talking Bengals football on the bye week. Just after Halloween. We hope you had a good Halloween holiday. There. You get this program on IT tunes were on YouTube or on Google play and Stitcher apps or also on art nineteen you could get all of our stuff on cincy junk dot com. So get our stuff. Subscribe check it out. We appreciate it talking. We're going to segue now into one small topic. And then our question of the night. John, should I guess we'll start with should the Bengals have traded or mayday trade for receiver edge rusher. Or do you say, you know, what? Even with the injuries. Guys are coming back. Steve is five three the sky is not falling where do you stand on this? Yeah. Even if Tyler Kroft was back to titans going forward or CG zone craft who's just going back to injury. I think that they definitely could made a play for Gallic your cook. Or are Matt Minhaj of cincy jungle wrote a good article about potential passers that could have been on the market could have been looking for some second life in the back half of their careers. Animal probably better than a wills. And there's this fascination man with with the angles fans in late round draft picks just because they've gotten in the past, you know, Atkins Carl Lawson Arvin Jones, I look just name a couple like those picks important like not every day. Three pig is important in you in you saw trades like the various Thomas like a fourth in the next year. Th you know, I think time garner was like next year Senate as well. They're valuable assets out there who aren't who don't cost an arm and leg and needle have to keep all your day. Three picks the hit rate four day. Three picks is not that high. It just like the only day three pick. That's contributing right now the Bengals rosters for this class dairies Phillips. He's a good player but the drafted like seven guys unless around half the morning on the roster right now. So I do think that yes, there there were some players on the market that could help them right now if this team was truly in win. Now, those ass those veterans would have been worth the the one or two low risk low potential assets that they said. Kept for know-how, you know, for the next year or the year after that do think that they should have been in the market for trade in the fact that they didn't even weren't even interested in anything. I think it's just a slap in the face of what they actually meant by win. Now. Right. And I'm not gonna I'm gonna make our listeners do a little work because you can go on on last week show. And we talked about all of the compensatory picks of recent drafts. I think in the end the antidote Meiji green era, we listed all those guys and. I mean, there's nothing there. There's nothing there, and those are usually day three picks if not even third, you know, second-day, thanks if you get him at the end of the third round, so. You know, you would think that they would be willing to do that. You mentioned Mary Thomas. That's a guy who's numbers rival AJ green. I mean, very consistent football player. He is problems with drops but thousand receiver almost every year he's been in the league. He I Peyton Manning for a good chunk of his career. But he also had Tim Tibo in other dies case keenum, you know, Brock Osweiler all kinds of different players go through Denver. So I mean, you're talking about a guy who may or may not be hall of fame discussion type of guy for third round pick and go. Wow. Okay. Then he got the Rams the best team in the league who have a dominant defensive front, and they're gonna get Dante Fowler from the Jags. So the rich get richer there. I mean, that's that's kind of where I'm at. I'm kind of with you, John where I say look man, I mean, we're not asking for the world here. But you've got some issues tight end. You've got now issues defensive in. You've got issues at wide receiver. Why not why not why not do something where Akasha maybe a fourth round pick fifth round pick. I mean. I don't know. I just I it shows not only that they're proactive to improving the roster. They're proactive in saying, hey, you know, we are close. We're five three we have issues, but we can approve and we can go get a guy right now. And they still sat on their hands in this team for all the things we think that things have changed with this team in. Yeah. There's been maybe a few more little changes Marvin wrestled away from Mike Brown in his contract this year. I don't. I don't it's this is still very familiar very familiar territory. And if you were to probably ask I guarantee, you if you were to probably ask Marvin Lewis, and or Mike Brown as to why did you make a move its trade deadline where you know, you gotta get what we traded already our trade for cordy Glenn that that's exactly where they were point. And I've I've been I've been around this team long enough where they go. What about this guy over here? What about this? Why aren't you weren't you active in three she what we got Preston Brown? But we got you know, that's debts. They start pointing to that stuff. Instead of saying, you know, what? That's not enough. It's air the bare minimum. Yep. It's not enough. And so I think they could they could have done something. I don't think they needed to get a franchise player. But I think they could have got a veteran rental deal on somebody for whatever that could help them out for these eight games and and help them move forward. So that being said, this is our question of the night, John, and again, hindsight is beautiful thing. And looking looking back now into the previous state weeks. This is where we're going with this. The name. Well, there's a couple of different players especially in this recent era of Bengals football the twenty eleven through twenty eighteen. Team where were fans have been very. Anti small handful of players. Brandon Tate was one of them. Russell Bodine was one of them. And some were especially this year, anti Brandon Lavelle. Brian Lavelle was cut during training camp because this young wide receiver group behind AJ green showed so much promise in wanted to shave a little salary to make owner they didn't do that. They didn't they didn't use the salary for Brandon the fell. But while I guess they may they they use that salary for extensions and whatnot. Whatever. But now you look at it, right? Tyler boys. Having a great season age agrees. Having a great season. We kinda figured Greenwood would be his usual self Boyd. We thought would be okay. But he's been far better than that. But John Ross hurt. Getting actually nothing from Josh Malone. Cody core, Alex Ericsson minimal impact on offense. He's a pretty big year especial teams, especially on kickoff returns. But minimal impact on offense. You you've had injuries at tight end. Everybody's favourite guy out Tate. Obviously the Bengals didn't think highly of him as the fans did from the preseason. And other teams didn't big is highly of him because he cleared waivers after the Bengals cut him. Now, you look at it. And you go. Maybe fell in AJ green is now suffering injury. Look philmont game-breaker guy. Not a handful of decent games in big plays for the Bengals. Now, you look at any go should they should should've hung onto that guy through the rest of his contract, which was just this year. Just now that the injury bug all these issues coming up was it a mistake that they let him go. I'm gonna say no because. The Bengals needed to see what John rouse was in had. They kept the fell that wouldn't given Ross the chance to make the mistakes get himself injured in multiple hands again. But in the same in the same facet, you know. You wouldn't have gotten the good place. John Ross is given them in. They were important place in in this president has been on the field. So in that sense. Yeah. I think that letting go the fell was was born y'all had to give Malone the chance to step up. Obviously he hasn't done anything close to that. And maybe if Tyler Boyd hadn't broken out as well as he has this is a different conversation because the boys impact on the softens can't be like praised enough because what he's been doing is just very impressive. You know, the production speech from speaks for self. He's already had like a brain fell type season just eight games, which is nothing short of incredible for him, especially where he wasn't this time last season. I think that what he's done his command. -able in this part of the reason why you know fell even with just Boyd in green is your only viable options. Feld probably wouldn't be a lot regardless. I think the only has three catches on the season with planting you only has like stats one game and offense. You know, how much influxes with that a number of like what what exactly doing in Oakland at this point of the season. So I think it was just a case of they needed to make those mistakes to at least try something different in order to see where they are right now. And at this point that could have been a time for a potential midseason acquisition or trade, or or some type of change in in that sense. But Burnell fell not in the equation of this point l think heard some that much as compared to it had a kept him on how much different offense look at this point in when it would probably be worse. That's probably the reality that we would have been looking at this point. Yeah. I mean, I agree with you. I think that you don't wanna have, you know, you invest all this capital in John Ross Tyler Boyd in Malone. The means to relatively high picks in these guys or sometimes at very high pick in these guys in you know, you wanna see him. Get out there, and you wanna see them contribute grow. And a lot of times the way they do that is actually get game. Snaps Boyd his flourished, and I think that he showed a lot already in training camp. They're like, you know, he's he's our number two guy. And you know, then they also said while Ross looks better and all of a sudden Lavelle who was your number two is now you're number four, and you're going, okay. Opinion, millions dollars for a number four wide receiver does really make sense. But the reason I brought this up again. We can sit here, and I'm sure people are anti you're crazy. Why are you talking about brand fell right now? The reason I bring this up. He was he was pretty comfortable in the system. He was an okay player for the Bengals and stepped up a couple of times for them. In the past couple of seasons. The reason it bring it up though is because of the myriad of injuries to the wide receiver tight end position. And the lack of contributions from the back end. You know, I think the Bengals and they should have. They should have been a bet on the young guys. Because at some point. That's look we've always knocked Marv Louis about hey, dude, you're not you're not playing the young guys who seem to be better. Somebody's veteran guys that are just okay. But I just I guess it's the hindsight thing. Right. I mean, you look at what's happened to those two position groups ego. Well, made a kinda might be nice to have a veteran guy that you know, with Ross out of the lineup you've seen what this offense is looked like. Yeah, they had a nice two quarters against Tampa Bay. But really with Ross out of the lineup defense is really keying on Jay green, even more Moi Boyd had a lot of trouble against Kansas City, doing anything as did everybody on the Bengals. But it Roth makes difference just being out there. Even as decoy think we can all see that. But he's injured off in and the other guys just haven't been able to do anything to help out. Now, some of this may also be on Andy Dalton in terms of you know, he's really comfortable with AJ. He's really comfortable with boy he was really comfortable with effort in. That's just where he's kinda looking. And then also the running backs mix in GIO when they're in there. But. I don't know. I just I wish if they weren't gonna maybe make a trade for a veteran guy of bigger name, golden Tate, Damaris Thomas, someone like that to come in and be a band aid type of player, you know, you would hope that they would hung onto somebody that you'd get. Okay. You know, like a this guy is here, we can, you know, get him a little bit. We can kind of hang onto a little bit of the offense behind green. And boy. But I don't know. I just thought it was an interesting topic. I was thinking about him. Yes. You look at Lavelle stats three kids, basically all last week's game against the colts. He did have a touchdown reception last week against the colts. Three catches in you, go. Okay. Ring, ding, ding. But obviously he would have had a bigger impact. If he was to hang onto the bangles, even as number four guy. But this an interesting food for thought now that the Bengals are banged up. Other guys aren't contributing and. They're the trade deadline passes. The Bengals didn't do anything to get. Wide receiver to help him out. 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John. Let's give out some midseason awards stood. All right. Let's start with. I guess drummer. Let's start with breakout player. I guess I'm gonna start there because I actually wrote this post for since jungled dot com, and the guys I nominated some of a couple of which are rookies a couple of guys are third year players and. The guy wants second-year player in there. So I'm gonna give you my nominees. And you're welcome to choose from one of them. Or if you got somebody else, you wanna nominate and it or give well, if you get somebody else in mind that you would like to give the award to go for it. I had Tyler Boyd Joe mixing Jessie Bates third Sam Hubbard in Andrew billings are my five nominees. And break up layer, you know, kinda figure the criteria's guys younger guy. Probably either hasn't had a lot of experience or in the experience. They've had with the bagels hasn't done much. But this year they've really stepped up so your choice whether it's those five or somebody else for breakout player at the season point for the Bengals. So think we both ran the same answer sun's gonna throw my personal nomination for someone who I think deserve to be mentioned that it is trait hopping because I think Senator wasn't his natural this Neely played there once in college. But I gotta tell you in just in just the hand just in the six games these there most of the time he just looks very very natural. And it really makes me think how different the whole off-season would have been had. They tried hopping at center in the Bodine era in just how much better he would have been there compared to where he is right now heavy gun experienced before. But. Obviously seem Billy foot seeing hatchery Hopkins has come in and produced one of the best games in center against Tampa Bay that we've seen from Senate Bengal center in such a long time. I think it's worthy of at least at least a nomination. But I think the clear answer is boy just compared to where he was last year where he is now is as when the upper echelon number two zero and the NFL ideal complimented to aged green truly the next generation of TJ. TJ husbands Ombu pushman zodda listens nominees like. Just mix CJ us. But yeah, I think yeah. It's got to be Boyd who who's your momma TJ. Who's your momma, right? Yeah. Really good. Call them Hopkins and. I I have another award post. It's gonna come out that he is going to be nominated for. Yet. I gotta go with you with Boyd. I do wanna say mixing, you know, it's easy because mix it was already kind of. You know, you saw you saw some things last year he contributed a little more heavily last year the offense than than Boyd when I say makes in the thing to me is the the yards per carry. Yes difference. And yeah, you can look at the offense wind for that. But. He was at three five for the season last year. And he's at four eight this year, a huge difference that is a huge difference. And it seems as it's like every time the Bengals lineup out. Shotgun give him draw play for a counter play out of shotgun. He gets anywhere from six to nine yards. It's it's crazy. So you know, I gotta like that from him. He's he's gonna be on pace to. He's on pace to break thousand yards, and he should get more carries than I think just with with Giovanni Bernard coming back. I think that that tandems really gonna just help the offense going forward. Those guys barely played together. This year been hurt at different times. So, you know, getting those guys back in playing together, I think is gonna help a lot. But I'm gonna go with Boyd for the reasons you said, and he's basically first or second in all the major receiving categories for the team. He second on the team with touchdown receptions with five and second with yards with six hundred twenty and then he's first on the team in receptions with forty nine both. He and green are on pace for thousand yard seasons in double digit touchdown seasons. That would be pretty awesome. If if they could both do that, obviously would be more awesome. If it means that they made the playoffs because it, but if they can get yards double-digit touchdowns that's pretty special season from your from your top two receivers. So I will go. With Tyler Boyd as well for the breakout player at midseason point. I see a lot of agreement in live YouTube chat is well, let's move on to. I guess we'll go with unsung hero. This is. This is one of the ones. I also do weekly for the team unsung hero for the for the season or for the mid season point. Usually this is four guys that step up in the wake of injury play. Well, or guys that just going they play. Well, just go on notice because the position they play. Or you know, there's a star. You know, for instance, if it's oil, you know. Aged green gets a lot of praise in whatever but Boyd is gonna gets overlooked little bit sometimes. But usually for me this is usually lineman or a backup player that has come in played in a more prominent role to play. Well, for me, I will go with your your choice. John I'm to say Hopkins for this one. I think I think he deserves the nod as unsung hero playing an important position at center playing pretty well in stepping in for Billy price in there. Really hasn't been much of a dip at all. In terms of what the offense was doing with price with him. Okay. Hopping get choice for the sake of them were to the Algo somebody a little bit different dairies Phillips, and I'm not tremendously competent in third. But I just feel like with the nature of what happened at the position dark was in our went out. The point. They only had Tony McGrane behind him in Phillips's, obviously like last measure, but just in the past few games dim really targeted a lot up until the Tampa Bay game where he was kinda answer bad moments down the field. But just the minimum place. He's been out there. The first two games. He made a lot of impact plays in a lot of solid tackles, the line of scrimmage just hasn't really had any bad moments. I guess it's kind of where I was with also vigil who was up until he was injured playing extremely well was by far the best linebacker even with on his birthday on the field. He would have been probably Lancer had he had he had been staying healthy throughout the season. But just for the sake of what the word is gonna go for the sake of diversity. There is still. So I think is playing pretty solid for fifth round pick third on the okay like it. So you've got Darius Phillips as the unsung hero. I have trade Hopkins. Let's move onto rookie of. The year. This is probably a. Two two horse race. If that. Who do you have rookie of the year? I think I know where you're probably gonna go one two three Bates face. I mean, he's he's ball out. He's playing like one of the best cities period in the league, everything that was great about him. Wake Forest is exemplify exemplified in the Bengals defense. He has truly been a true free safety. He's been more at slips a Tutu high safety, look, but just in terms of covering ground playing with instincts playing the ball pretty very well. He just been everything as advertised, you know, their decision to move on from Georgia loca for him obviously paid off in he's probably legitimate defensive rookie of the year candidate this point yet. He's been if you're if you're big PF guy, he was there AFC defensive rookie of the month for October and eve is a mid seasonal pro by their standards. I did have on him. He leads the team in tackles. He co leads the team in interceptions with three in. And you know, these e at the big pick six last week. So you gotta like what you've seen from him. I'm going to save this though. Okay. I've seen a lot of it. I don't know if it's Austin on if it's Bates on a show Williams who by the way, Sean William statistically, speaking at a nice season as well co leader with interceptions with three has four fumble. I think a sack he was enormous in that ravens win. He was absolutely huge in that game. But there seems to still be a lot of miscommunication. A lot of big plays given up between the Cornerbacks safeties. A lot of guys getting beat deep Bates has been around the ball a lot. He's got a lot of defended passes lot of interceptions, so far, but. That's the one thing where I kinda will. Okay. That's where kinda disagree a little bit with pro football focus in in their metrics. But you know, it's it's it's probably not all him in terms of that miscommunication or those big place. Sometimes they're not even his guy to guard. But I just would like to see that short up, obviously as as the year goes on easy, young guy. He'll he'll learn a little bit more. I think Logan Williams played well just because they played with each other for so long. You know, they played well together, obviously loca Reggie original sin play very well together. So just takes time to build a little bit of that chemistry. But I'd like to see that going forward. But yeah, Bates Bates there than you know, you got Hubbard contributing other guys, but Bates base should be clear cut guy there for we kinda get to the MVP's, John. I got a weird one for you. This is this is gonna be off the cuff. So I hope I don't thirty too much of a loop here. But let's let's do play of the year. So. The biggest play of the year the midseason point. There are a lot Jews from. I don't think there's really a wrong answer here unless you say like something against the cheese, you know, play chiefs. But. Yeah. Let's go. Let's go play the year. I'm gonna go with Joe mixon's forty two yard running the bucks because first time in a while a jumped out of my seat from a block may by the Bengals trae on the move to destroy a linebacker and also on that play. I think Clint Boling gallon front porch. Injured does the play twists back little bit. But some great blocks down the field in I think mixing force more tackles on that run than he had the entire season ended also crossed he also across the century. Mark for rushing yards was like the first time was running back as done on the first half in Benson did a decade ago and really only answering this because so far by memories convert plays. But now that that play was exciting in a lot of things that made me excited about the players that are out there in forcing bowling got her on it. But it did a lot of things I think led to age agreeing scorn touchdown the very next play. Yeah. There's there's a lot to choose from here. You could you could say I mean, a number of. AJ green plays. You can say number of Tyler Boyd plays. You could you could sit here and say, you know, Bates pick six last week was it was a gigantic play. I I'm torn between two. I have torn between antidote. Meiji green touchdown against it landed win the game with just a couple of seconds left. That's kind of obvious a guess. But that that. That play is something that the Bengals just didn't. That's not something that happens to the Bengals often. That's on the road and game where you're like. Wow. You know, the team had been struggling the kept past couple of years you needed to kinda keep this momentum going in you know, that you gotta like that. So that was one. And then I guess the other that I thought was gigantic was the Michael Johnson interception return against against Miami. Number one. I just I have a soft spot for Michael Johnson. The guy studying I just I think he's a great human being in his in his been a good good Bengal player in terms of just locker room die. Just just a good guy that they've onto for variety of reasons, not necessarily the stat leader die, but you know, as a solid solid guy. Maybe not the past couple of years, but solid contributor for the team throughout a good portion of his career. But anyway, again another game the Bengals needed AFC win. You know, they're facing the Steelers next week and they needed to get that win to keep pace. And all of that stuff. Nothing was working on offense that day and that was the play. There was a couple, you know, mixing had a nice, you know, touchdown catch that was you know, almost a little fluky. But that was the play that kind of turned not only that game. But all of a sudden it was kinda like, wow, this is teams find creative ways to win. And you know, got him to what was it four form one? Yeah. So those are my two nominees for the two the two biggest players. I you know, I didn't I did the big deltaic onto play. It was. It's hard to figure out. What was happening? Why isn't what the heck does happen? So that's that's interesting. Jason von Stein's is the Sam Hubbard touchdown against Miami. Really good one. Also from Chris Burien the federal colts game fumble recovery. You know that one set that started that started the season with an exclamation point as well. So like, I said not many bad answers here. That's kind of where we're going as accurate samples really like the William strips act against Baltimore. So we're we're kind of running up against time a little bit John Lynch, Iskoe ofensive MVP defensive MVP at this point, your defensive MVP is do you know dominant. Like he was on pace for Donald early on canon dropped off a little bit when they were not skid. But Domino's ever he cares? Defensives point. Yeah. I agree. Hasn't been in the sack hall in the past three weeks. I believe but this last week that you force like three holding penalties. He had like five pressures or something. It was he was silly. And I think even though he didn't get those sacks. He allowed those five sacks to happen. This last week. So yeah, still still great. I wish there were some consistency around him both as pass rushers and at Andrew billing spot. I think billings has improved when my share but still not greatly improved. So you know, he gets a little more help. I think I think lean help his game out. But yeah, he he's doing he's doing his thing. Ofensive MVP, John. This can go number of different ways. I think it's Dalton and I went back and forth between him void for little bit. But I'm just thinking about how better this offense is because of dull newfound consistency in something. We've talked about earlier in the season on the show as something that we just haven't been used to. But as long as like. We just be comfortable that dawn is not going to completely collapsed during a game as long as it's not like in primetime, whatever. But I just think that laser hasn't been as good as everyone is making him out to be. But despite that, I think finally relaxed into what he is any plane at a level that is is sustainable for the Bengals partly why the offense has been able to, you know, pull a games he won the defense hasn't been doing as well in a quarterback league in when he's he's not playing tremendous compared to other quarterbacks leaves passing boom a this year alone. But I think he's playing at a very high level with a lot of injuries around him in relatively high level. I guess so I'll have to have to say him just because of the circumstances. Yes. He has played. Well. Probably I would say to me. This eight-game stretch. I would say that this is probably the second best stretch of season we've seen from Andy Dalton going back to twenty fifteen obviously being the highest now he's thirteenth in the league in in passing yards in. It's a very slim margin between him and the number eight. Eight through eight thirteen very very close actually eight through sixteen very very close. So he's thirteen there. But in touchdown passes. He is where's he had? He's Thirdly touchdown passes with seventeen only Andrew luck and Patrick Mahomes have more touchdown passes than than Andy Dalton Jared Goff. Philip rivers are tied with him. Tom Brady is one behind him. But seventeen touchdown passes through through eight games. That's over to a game. That's more games. Who really invalid touch on toll in twenty fifteen? Yep. Yep. And really like we said without a lot of guys without Ross. Without I for without Croft cross was a guy who had six or seven touchdowns last year as well. So, you know, without a lot of guys still at times average to maybe slightly above average offensive line. Probably average. Best with times being below average. So. You know, he's getting done. It's it's hard. I wanna give day Jay green. Because AJ green is has been doing some immense things basically carried help to carry the offense in the ravens win helped to carry the offense in you know, big touchdown against Tampa Bay the game winning touchdown against the Lanta tempted to go with him. But I guess is Andy Dalton his playing pretty well. At the moment. I will I will give it to him and still wishing hit played better against Kansas City. But he he played statistically speaking you played pretty decent against Pittsburgh fifteen. He does not replay very well against any played well last week in some weird weather, so I'll give it to him. I'll go with you as well. Eddie Dalton with AJ green right behind him. So those are some of our midseason Bengals awards. There's gonna be a series of full of a bunch of different ones Suzy, join dot com. So keep it there, and you can vote on yours you can sound off on yours. And let let everybody know. Who you think in how how wrong we are about who we picked on on some of these. This is the orange black insider bagels podcast. He's john. Sharon on me Kazan's. You can get this show as mentioned on our nineteen at cincy, juggle dot com. On tunes on YouTube on Stitcher. Google play. You can get him out a bunch of different. No excuses. Not as you can get on a lot of different stuff. So get it. Subscribe. And we so appreciate you guys tuning in every time we do this up. So we appreciate the live listeners. Appreciate the subscribers. Check us out later and all that we're gonna get outta here. With just a couple of listener questions. We've gone little longer than we thought. But we did get some listener questions. We do have some time maybe for a call or to end or texts. So if you wanna get in nine four nine five four to six two four one we'll try and get to you. We do have a question on Twitter, though, John. There is a question from our good friend Sam anger, and he is across the pond in in the UK. He says, hey, lads, so you can tell he's he's from the UK hail ads. Sorry loss to hear one sec hail ads. Hope you're doing well question for Anthony, do you? Well, let's start with yours 'cause he has one for me one for you. Let's start with yours. John question. John. Do you think? William Jackson, third is struggling with awesome system. If you so if you if so do you think it's a low? Perhaps I guess I don't think awesome seem directly impacts the way Jackson has been suspected double moves have. He has it's kind of been issue going back to last year, hymns civilians TY, like the most glaring example. But I think a lot of people wanted to see from him as, you know, following the team's best receiver in not sure that's a great idea in the sense that guys are blinded. A lot more in the slot out that he has the, you know, the the hips really handle shifty guys in the slot. So. Maybe perhaps. But I just think that Jesse Jackson's kinda going through the motions early on the season, but the past like three or four games of playing very good. Almost level that was at last year. So I think he was just kind of rough patch against various competition. But he I think he's coming back. Don't think it has a lot to do with what Austin's doing on on as the plane caller. Yeah. I agree. I think in you might touch on this little bit here. But you know when the Bengals drafted Jackson. It was under Gunther in Gunther likes, those kind of press leave guy out on the island type of thing. And you know, that's just not too much of a it's not that's not so much. What Austin is preaching? We've got a call on the line here, and we'll get to a question year. So hang on hang tight once sec, John. The orange black insider who's this? Aaron. How you doing? That's a great question in. There's a lot of different caveats to that in and John will answer that off the air. But before we do before, we get yada here. Erin, your I don't know if you were here earlier in the show, we did a question of the night in terms of Brandon fell. I mean do you as fan now? Say Bengal should've hung onto him. Or is it kinda like, hey, you know, what doesn't really matter? They're they're gonna get healthy. And. They're not missing him too much. So five. Yeah. Just you know, there's injuries wide receiver group injuries to tight end. There's inter ineffectiveness towards back end of the wide receiver group. So, you know, maybe have an fell in your back pocket lean on during you know, when there's a little bit of lead time that's kind of where we were going with that question. I don't know. I think that. Better. Challenge. Guide. Catching all card. We. Awesome. Hope we hope that you would he hope you and your son had a good Hong willing to your question off the air. Thanks for calling in dopey stranger, buddy. All right. I thought that's a really interesting question. John because. You know the rules against hitting a quarterback. Now. That's that's interesting also pass happy league. In a lot of teams are getting the ball out. So quickly that it's almost like the emphasis is on able linebackers and defensive backs. You know, the big I think there's always going to be used for Gino Atkins guy that the smaller quicker guy that can penetrate get after the quarterback, but you know, maybe the Andrew billings guys. The big run stuff for whatever are becoming a little pass. It what did you make that question from from caller Aaron there is no doubt that the modern game of football's China attack, the modern Bengals linebacker, which is slow in his naval to cover soap. Yeah. Those guys are obviously going to be liabilities. But I mean pressures king in will always a technique who can pressure of the middle and claps apocryphal inside though, always have value. But like you said the average time to throw his dropping under two and a half seconds. Why having such a phenomenal season within the apple says that he's mitigating offense align by getting the ball quickly, and that's kind of darkness to. Yeah. Don has always done that that's always mitigated pressures from his poor center play. But yeah, I think that it comes so philosophical. Question of is to have dominant cover guys who can cover for those first couple of seconds or Domin passers. You can claps obviously have both. You know, you'll be fine. But it, you know, it's almost like it's leaning towards better cover guys over better Russia's, but guys like Gino Atkins causa the always because they are good players. They'll be able to win one on blocks in especially with the fact that you know, college game is transitioning from developing better passers over better offense alignment nominee programs. Developing often slamming who are able to come into league better at a high level. So I do think that covered quick cover guys are becoming more more valuable, but passers will always have that have. Yeah. And that goes back a little bit to the old school mindset of this franchise in Marvin Lewis, you know, they're not they're still kind of. They don't mix up a lot of looks up front. They still do that old school base four three defense. Yes. A lot of a lot of the times the trot out nNcholas their base defense. But you know, a lot of teams in league do the three man front with a lot of different blitzing linebackers all that kind of stuff and different edge players to to try and create different mismatches at front in. You know, the Bengals don't really do that on their end. But you know, I think I think that there is still some value for a Josh Tupo a Andrew billings in the AFC north because the Steelers still like to run the ball a lot James Connor you can tell I mean bells amazing, but James CONNER has four one hundred yard rushing games this year. So I mean teams are still getting backs that you know, that they wanna use. Yes, there's going to be more passing in there is more passing. But they seen teams they all play outdoors and as this time of year rolls around whether it's crappy and everybody plays outdoors. You're gonna need some bad. You're gonna need to lean on the running game a little bit more probably than you did throughout so having some of those big defensive tackles he need. But I do agree that some of those. That's that's why billings fell the way. He did. Right. I mean, I mean five five plus years ago. That's a first round pick. That's the first. Guy, right. But the league going the way it is. It's like, well he can only play one or two downs in. That's it. And you know, where's the value in that? If you're gonna get a first round guy you want guy that can play often. So interesting point that that that's an interesting question there from from our listener, we've got a couple more questions queued up, and we'll get outta here. John a bunch of people asked us this, including Sam anger, and we'll get to the rest of his tweet in a minute. But I saw it was Sam anger Assis. This. I saw since he fan jungle city in live YouTube Chad Assis along with a lot of other people. Now, the right the mid way point now that we've seen what we've seen. In the bagels are five three. Had you see the rest of it playing out. And do they make the playoffs which prediction here? Now, if you need some help pull up the schedule. Because we do know that the the Bengals play the saints next week, which is yes, it's at home, and yes, it's outdoors which falls into their favor. But it's one of the best quarterbacks ever play the game. Drew brees. And he's going up against a defense that is sieve at this point. So we look here you have the same pretty tough stretch of games coming up here in the next five weeks. You have the saints at home you go to Baltimore you host the Browns. You host the Broncos. And then you are at the chargers. So those in the next five games. And then you got the raiders the Browns again in the Steelers to end and the season. So again, if you wanna break, the schedule down chunks next five games are pretty critical, especially since they're all the exception of one. They're all AFC games. And two of them are divisional. So that's kinda arrested scheduled plays out your thoughts. So just literally count on both hands the wins and losses. I kind of just logic three wings. Bylaws? Obviously crazy stuff have Alzheimer's fell is going off, you know, Bengals typically dwell against the ravens. But I think that this ravens team's gonna have Ben tensions base of last game went. I think they always are. I think this is the year that go back to split in Cleveland, just because of the coaching chains my revitalize, you know, what we have going on there. And plus I'm on a scared of Baker Mayfield. Now saints chargers Steelers, those are probably all losses because of obviously recorder backs that. Destroy defense in at Pittsburgh week seventeen will be on the on that Mike and flex the prime time. We don't know. But I'm gonna say Broncos raiders, I think those are basically pencil in the winds at this point win the Brown. So floor is a wins right now. And I would say best cases probably ten in what they're gonna need against the playoffs. So I guess the the middle ground there is nine wins. So I'm gonna say, yeah. Either nine in August, just missing. But that's going off. Just basically like what the teams are on paper with a quarterbacks are on paper. What the team is right now unless it shows things that are drastically different more consistency on offense. Just a better overall philosophy on defense. I don't think they're gonna win one or two games of the needs to win. That's why probably fall one or two games short. Yeah. I totally see how you see. How you go. See them going three and five because you look at it. They have terrible success against the Steelers. I agree with you that I think this could be a year with a split with the Browns. I don't I'm not as high Baker Mayfield as you are. But I think that the Browns is scrappy, and whether gets bad who knows who knows what's gonna happen in those two games. I think they could split that Denver should be a win. I think I think they can take Baltimore again. I mean, they have skit success gets Baltimore. So I see I see four wins. And there might be one that they drop where you're like, dude. Really? But they also get one maybe charters, maybe, you know, maybe it's the the ravens may it's the Steelers icy nine wins. And I see that week seventeen game. Probably meaning something. And I think given what transpired in. However, the outcome is. I do think if it's nine and seven and the Bengals are fighting for their playoff lives in Pittsford as in the Steelers are doing the same. I don't like those odds. But I do see that being the case the Bengals probably go into that week with nine wins. And maybe needing to win to get in. Or what have you? So I will say nine and seven at this point. Maybe barely missing the playoffs potentially wildcard. Because the conferences is kinda weak. But I see probably four four wins in here. I hope actually it's the one again at least one of them is against the charter because I'm going to that game. So I would like to like to like to see them win. But I say four wins nine and seven they'll sniff the playoffs. Maybe especially if that last game comes down to it, especially if it gets lexin the Brian time, literally. So that's that's where I'm at. We've got a lot of questions that we got a lot of questions on that. And. Will we'll see James nap says NBC will flex the final game against the Steelers Bengals will get slaughtered. They'll still squeak in the playoffs but lose wildcard game against the Steelers again. Wow. Polly positive right there. We can likely. It's totally is it totally totally. You know? I mean, that's just that's yeah. But you know, we've said this before on this program. John those are the teams that you need to beat in order to do anything in leanna beat the Steelers. You gotta be chiefs. Got you gotta be patriots. I mean, if you if you ever want to be a championship team. Those are the teams that you need to beat in hopefully this feast or famine team because little more feast than famine over the over the next stretch of EA games in hopefully, they work out a lot of stuff over the by week one more question in you mentioned it a little bit John. But one more question, we're getting a lot of in the live YouTube chat in everything. Is jackson? Hugh jackson. Hugh Jackson was just for those who have been living under a rock. Hugh Jackson was just let go as the Cleveland head coach, obviously has major major ties Marvin Lewis in Cincinnati Bengals one of the most successful offenses to Bengals franchises ever seen was under Hugh Jackson twenty fifteen unfortunately, he got hurt that year. We all know that season ended and. So on and so forth. We did see a lot of creativity that out of the offense which was which was kinda cool. But you now. You look at it. He's out there. It's funny. I think he's going on I take on Friday morning. So he goes from being fired on Monday morning to going to. I think Adam Schefter said he goes he's fire Monday morning now he's going to go on ESPN Friday morning, but. Look, he's not he's not gonna be a guy to replace Billy's or Belazertsev some good things this year. If you're looking offense coordinating most people would say, you know, physician assistant offensive quality control. I don't know some position for him. Is there a fit for here? Or is it just like, dude, let's move on. Let's, you know, Marv Levy who, but you know, let's just move on. Or could he bring some value as a position coach in his system that sort of thing if he steps into Hamilton canyon throwing hand? Full liar out of the Bengals organization. Just today. He said I wanted Wentz Watson in Mahomes Browns would have been winning high. We had done it my way year Wim. The dude is a liar. The do a can't stand him in an hard nice really validity validated. All my breaking hatred for this, man. Keep him away. Are the do was three thirty six in one as the brand. I know he were talking about him Breen as as a consultant or is assistant the guy like after it got far from the ravens. He started like secondary assistant then he worked his way up to the offense coordinator, and then how do you? Instead he was going to be the next head coach of this team. So I don't I don't get how just him being here as a low level responsibility guy is not going to have an impact on the future. I think that he has a legit relationship with Mike Brown gets back into the organization. He becomes the primary candidates. Take over for the team as soon as Marvin Lewis leaves nes- the exact opposite of what I want the. Happen if Marvin Lewis ever decided to give it up keep him away some other team just pick them up or hire him as a janitor. Whatever I've one part of all I could not say that. All that is probably the most emotionally charged. John cheer. I've ever seen on this program. It's Hugh Jackson. God knows how dysfunctional day are. And I mean, the thing they can hang their hat on the most is the Kevin Costner movie at this point years ago. That's most positive thing. They've got going for him. So. I'm gonna say this about Hugh Jackson. I agree. He does not need to be with the Bengals. There's not really place form at this point. Anyway, but I will say this. This is a prediction in a maybe lazy prediction in may be geographically based prediction, but I believe that Hugh Jackson will return to USC in some capacity. Whether it's an office coordinator, head coach that sort of thing clay Helton there is on the hot seat t Martin who call it football fans. Remember him was outstanding quarterback at Tennessee. He is the offense coordinator, his come major scrutiny USC is in transition, but they're also receiving this year. So I think Hugh Jackson where he was there with Carson Palmer. I think Hugh Jackson probably returns there in some capacity offense coordinator, head coach something or somewhere in the Pac twelve in general. I just think he he's gonna go to the college level if he wants to continue coaching. I think that's that's where he's gonna go. But. You know, I I just I don't there's not a place for him here. Not a place for him in Cincinnati. And maybe Marvin get creative in cute with finding something form. But I I don't see it in. I don't I don't see need for it. Unless he wants to divulge all of the Brown secrets this year entertained plans to the Bengals than so be it. But I don't I don't see that happening. Thanks for all the questions and everything guys are we can take many calls this week. We've been kinda ran up against it in a little small here ran little long. But we appreciate you. Joining us on this by week reprieve questions. Get this show on all the platforms. We have mentioned I tunes Google play Stitcher art nineteen since he jumped dot com. Youtube get the show listen to it. We appreciate it and tailgate with it. I wanted to end on this John. We didn't get I didn't get to say all of Sam angers tweet because pretty cool. He, you know, he question he said the questions for you. And I his question essentially was the ten in six narrative in you know, how's the season? But he also said keep up the cracking work lads you've been a huge part of my Fridays in the morning. And on the way to work for quite some time now, guaranteed great analysis depth as always greetings from the UK Jomon. I mean, that's wrap. This just you know, that that this show is means something to somebody. You know, so far, you know, literally thousands away from where miles away from where I live in pretty much the same for you. So pretty stoked on that. Thanks for the question. Sam thanks everybody. For tuning in any final thoughts before we get out of here. Enjoy enjoy the bye week, buddy. Oh, I'll I'll be fee kicked up watching something doesn't matter. I'll I'll -joyed. I can't wait good. Yeah. Me too. It'll be a nice nice reprieve. Like, I said, not only. You know, we get we get kind of kick back a little bit both workwise. But just also the give the ticker a break. Oh my gosh. This team is the goddess on on pins and needles all time, so we'll see. 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Episode 39 - 10 Ways To Obtain Clarity Into Your Finances

Agent of Wealth

26:17 min | 11 months ago

Episode 39 - 10 Ways To Obtain Clarity Into Your Finances

"Welcome to the agent of wealth. Podcast with Marc out is from voters financial in this podcast. Mark Helps Guide you towards financial freedom ensure you never run out of money and create a balance in life that prioritizes. What is most important to you? Join us for this journey as Merck draws from years of expertise and guest to solve the multiple wealth-building challenges involved in your financial life. Welcome to agent while this is Mark. Outta and on today's show. We'RE GONNA discuss. How retain clarity into your finances by using our welfare to do that Tori Finley back on the show? Victoria members mattis financial team and the resident expert while center. So the Tory back the show. Thanks for having me. Markets rates you. Back on the PODCAST. I think is our third episode. You've been on the first one was back on episode eighteen where we introduced you and then again on episode twenty eight back in October. We talked about Medicare so today's episode. We're going to talk about our APP while tenderness us with our clients. It's our planning tool that we used to build financial plans but it also has a portal that everyone can use. And really we're GONNA focus on that portable in the benefits of using that portal can start off. Just give us a quick overview of different features. The portal hasn't been will go into some more that on each of those features. Yeah so the Senate has a lot of great features at allows unions hands on her hands off as a client so first off we have the dash floor and you can see the gold tracker net worth investments and you're spending summary some other features include alert section. So that allows you to be notified. When there's any financial activity going on we have evolved. So this is a great way to store files. Documents enforce with us in the client in a secure way of doing this rather than through emails of super-efficient. And it's a great feature as well as there's a spending budget features so we can use that to get down to the nitty gritty of what your budget site. We have a report. Section investment section. It just a really great way to take a look at all of your assets in everything that you have put everything in one place so you have one area to look at all of your financial decisions in those goals. You mentioned the last one about a at one place to look at everything. I think that's really benefit. Because if you will notice we'll see people have accounts at all these different financial institutions and to see what's going on the most financial institutions. They have to log onto each one of those websites. And it's time consuming after. Remember your password reset your password and figure out what the rally is and what people don't stay. Just don't look which the purpose of this is to really show how you can pass looking at his ability to to what's going on but I think one of the you know whenever we talk to talk about this APP. What's on one of the concerns? They have is security and having information online who has access to it or who. Hannah access to it but the wealth It's got just as comprehensive security measures as really any back level. You know our website that use of course in on this this day anything is cybersecurity risks with anything but you know there are technical details if someone does want to see the encryption and the multi factor authentication firewalls audits that the tool has we'd be happy to share them with them so let's get started. We'll start right from the top so someone logs into the APP. They're they're brought to their dashboard. What do they see on the border? So when you log on dash for this is just the Home Street and quick. Look at the goal checking your net worth your investment value and you're spending summary so that includes what's coming in and what's going out just a quick note though the spending sunrays only something to climb can see. We don't have access to that so that's just a heads up that whatever you're spending your money on don't learn where we're not looking at that. That's just something for ucf the client and basically what's great about while center is that you could pretty much on everything and it's going to show you more detail so if we start off with the network number that pops up right in front of the screen it has a little bit of detail to ask to the dollar change for that month and also the year to date dollar change. And there's a similar feature with the investments that shows so gives you the total number of your investments but it also shows you. Today's overall dollar change at as well as a percentage change in your vestments you so I think you mentioned those two features being able to track changes over time. And you know if you if you read about enabling successor having success with with really not just finances but it's tracking and measuring and making sure you stay on track so if someone is trying to lose weight they track calories if you're trying to improve your finances different things you want to track. Net Worth is one of them. Your savings investments are are another so there is definitely important feature gap. Yeah and I know that in past that clients say I don't feel like making progress on. This is a great way to show that you are making progress because it showing you in the corner underneath not with investments that that number is increasing so maybe sometimes it doesn't feel like that's the case but it actually shows you with some numbers that there is progress being made so it's a great feature so you can actually see that change and you're also able to click into if you were if you're William streaming to see the network and also the word investments energy were to click on that it will take you to even more detail so it's a great little salary but again it depends on who you are and how much detail you're looking for. So he can go ahead and click on that and then also on the left hand side of the strategy looking at the street it lists out all the accounts that you have so you can go head in rank. These accounts and the categories that are included are cash accounts credit cards. Taxable Accounts Tacit Bahonjic. Outs life insurance values any loans property in stock options so any of the concept were managing. We have already. But it's you have a credit card that said earlier that you want to wink or if maybe gesture checking your savings account that we don't have access to you can go ahead in late that as long as you have all night access to that account and if you don't it should be pretty straightforward. Do that with your banker. Whoever is managing those accounts and again? That's just a great way. While all your information being able to look at it in one spot and it just a little drop John Aaron too. And it's pretty Order Lincoln Account but obviously there are any questions. Oh is still free to reach us. I think we're always trying to improve the the client experience and giving someone the ability to see to see their whole financial picture in one place. I think is one way of making progress on undoing getting to that to that path but the second feature we want to talk about work tasks and Tesla my favorite features. It's a way for us to let the client know that there's something that requires their attention and maybe something like that. We need to find a specific financial document before meeting to analyze so that we can review it during. But how do you see these use most frequently and I think a lot of times? It's after client meetings where you get involved uploading tasks to the to the client. Yeah definitely so it can go either way. Tyler. We might need something per client or maybe we need to set on something so we can assign tasks to clients. And it'll pop up on their personal Well Senator Page and like you're saying we might need a document so we might say the task. Hey send us your tax return for this year. Or maybe they're waiting to hear back from Aleph Insurance Company on what their premium might be so that way we factor in And then also went straight to that when we sign these tasks we set up a reminder date dude aid so that way you can try and stay on track with this and it doesn't just get sucked carbon. You forget what what was that. I had what they needed to do. What it marks. Sammy needed to do was asked us to do something. And it also allows you to click in view on all the completed test again. If you're ever wondering today I and that's a hand or just juries to look at the history that's gone back and forth between us. You have that accessible which straight and like you said. It's it's a way that we can hold each other accountable to you. Know everyone that comes to us wants to make progress wants to improve their situation. And you know it's not just looking having a meeting and saying okay here. The things that we bought it should be done. It's also making sure they get done and using the features a way of doing that all right the next one. We're GONNA talk about our alerts another one of my favorite feature on the APP and we pulled in so many different directions during the day and what alerts to do is if there is something important some critical that you may you may want to know about your finances. The alert future is a way to to to do that. So how? How do you see our clients using alerts to get notified of different things so far? Southie alerts are repeated on Jersey. Setting Tab in while senator just a heads up in case you're looking for a top peddlers under the settings and there are four main categories First Line is delivery. Saturdays. There's personal finance investments lassie reminders. So first off when you go in and are looking at the delivery. Settings two options are in our servants end homepage on vacation. So that's just making sure that whatever email you like this account to be linked to the proper because sometimes we have clients who have a personal working. Alameda gets mixed up so we WANNA make sure. That's the correct. Email your Cajun's for and also just homepage indications Just see when you walk on. You can change the frequency of how often you deserve vacations. And what's great about? All these different alerts is that in super customized will so you can change the different ranges dates and however you would like it to align with your interest in highlight US law center next up for the personal finance alerts. You have your basic financial summary. Alerts If you had a low balance you wanted to be alerted that you could go ahead and set. Maybe you don't like when you are campus below ten thousand dollars a you can go ahead and change to alert me when my box below ten thousand dollars but also go ahead and Change. Your high credit balanced. Anything Seems to be. It's it's the same thing as if it was a low savings honest but you can go to change how you would like to attach your Brooklyn approaching your credit card. Jeff yes Again same with a large expenses or deposit segue making in and out of different accounts. I keep track of that. Maybe not every expense in your wait. A second wise. They're big by Thousand dollars on something out. That's right I just bought a plane ticket somewhere. We're going somewhere we're on. We're going on expensive vacation next. Step is the investments alerts Typical investing activity anytime a specific security. That you're interested. In if that price changes too much to change the fluctuation percentage and the any excess casper percentage so that would be if you have investment account and you WanNa make sure that the cash in count is never less than one percent you can go ahead and customers died. An last alert is the reminders. This is great or made year end reminders or issue out the point of taking argument distributions. From any of your retirement accounts you can customize any important dates whether it's something about taxes or maybe just a birthday you don't WanNa forget it's pretty customizable so again as much as you want it to align with your day-today life it's great and then also we mentioned earlier. Those tasks that get assigned in the docking instead are shared with US clients. Go TO GET REMINDERS. As well alerts or a great a great feature used them extensively in my own use with a Wilson. And we'll talk a little bit about spending and budgeting but I set up. Alerts went on about to blow my budget which happens a lot on the food side. My budget gets blown all the time but reminds me. It says cut down on on spending on food. I don't actually switch to eating Rama noodles at that point but it does notify in. It is a good thing to have to know that the APP is is looking at different things that we talked to look at so the next the next the aspect of the October. And look at The Walt. And what's a couple of different purposes but many times people come in and their main objective for engaging us or working with us is that they want organization around their finances at Person. Come in one time with three bids of financial documents. Not Shoe boxes bids and he was looking for having the bins where his whole life collection of documents and he wanted some help with organizing them. And you know obviously. This is an online APP. We're talking about digital organization but it's the same. Consett it we provide. The law provides a way to organize your your documents online and one of the first things we do when we saw recommend someone is. We create a folder structure within this fault. And can you over just a couple of our some of the folders that get created and how they're used yes so some of them are pre a straightforward explanatory. Expect them to such as balanced she bank documents got a cash folder education inch plan insurance investment so those typical options and when we set these up in while center on our side. We see all the folders that we've created but if there's no documents in there the pine will be on seat on there and until something uploaded there and then also another folder that we have is the Orion folder now Ryan is great software that we use an increase in reports for us. So what it actually distributes is the monthly team. Mary statements what else is in. That folder is the quarterly reports any tax documents. That would be uploaded to T- as well such is to ninety nine would be in Orion folder and then there are two other important folders to be noted and that is the documents folder that is mainly a folder for the client. Only client can upload documents this folder so we if we were ever up on a document it would not be missed folder. We don't have access to documents. It's great weight for the Classic Track of anything. Important to them against the ball is a secure place. It's overly useful tool to go headed can track of court documents in one place. I think it also might not miss folder. They talk about some pricey for the for the client. If they have something they don't WanNa be shared with us they can keep it securely up there. You mentioned your Ryan Folder. I think that is a great folder. Because like you mentioned every quarter declines performance reports are getting generated and automatically uploaded. There they can get their mounting. Custodial statements from there as well and then you know we're in the middle of tax season now and I get asked a lot you know you have my ten ninety nine many. Ira documents that. They need to send to their tax advisor and these documents actually get uploaded automatically to their to the walk in that Orion folded at your mansion. So you know we want. We want to empower the client base basically easily pulled our own documents that they that they need to to send over to their to their tax adviser and the other one day mentioned or is that is there. The shared documents folder. And if you if you go back a couple years you decide for security concerns are like they were now and we would just enough documents back and forth and I may have had sensitive information private information on it. And we don't want to do that anymore. We we're not. We can't do that anymore. So the share documents is a way of exchanging data exchanging forms documents back and forth. Where the let's say. The client has a former to fill our sign we CAN UPLOAD. That document is shared documents folder. Declined can pull that document down. Do whatever they need to do with it. Uploaded backup and it's just a lot more secure exchange of information than it would be if we feed. You lies enough for that. Yeah definitely I just wrote back. Tonight shared documents folder. You just mentioned ask the client. That's the only place if we ever needed a document uploaded from them they have to upload it insured documents So even if we had uploaded let's say in education report to their education wilder and they saw that they wanted to upload something in return that was education related. It would actually have to be uploaded into the shared documents folder and they cannot let into other folders and we'll linked to a document is shown on one question. I get a lot from people as financial mission I keep and how long should I keep them for? So we'll wait. We have a document that Lincoln in the show notes which explains across different things like legal documents. Your benefits insurance policies sees what liabilities taxes property family documents it lists out all the specific ones. That are good ideas to keep and using a great place to keep them moving onto spending and budgeting and budgeting his word. That I haven't really come across many people that like that word. But while center has a great mechanism for tracking your spending in creating a budget and seeing how you're tracking towards that much if you can go over how that works while center yet so I had mentioned a little bit earlier that when you go ahead and link any of your credit cards or debit cards trackers. Finding we won't see that on our answer that's completely confidential. So you don't have to worry about US wondering why are they going to McDonald's again along So when you go ahead and late those cards it will automatically pull in those transactions and start to categorize what your money is being spent on and I use it myself. It's pretty accurate from time to time. Something might get mischaracterized. You can go ahead and added that very easily. Got A bunch of different categories. And you're also able to go ahead and create a budget so if you want to make sure you're only spending one hundred dollars a month on eating out to each their own fight. Go ahead and do not where those alerts come back into play and it will alert you. If you're approaching the maxine budget or gone over that budget and that we can go ahead and just keep tracking. See where's my money going and features too so you can chocolate based on a month based on the past thirty days you can go ahead and look at it on good after timeframe you're interested in viewing and it just really great feature and I know I've personally enjoy utilizing it and I think that for those people who are trying to figure out how much they are spending but maybe it's too scary or something that they don't really know where to start. This is a great place to go ahead and start and just like some of those cards. Maybe start with just one card if you're really nervous And ripped up and read off in media. Notice that it's not as painful as it sounds. It's definitely not as people is scary at first From the perspective of a lot of people just spend and spend and there's really no no method to the spending but a by tracking your spending it. That's what really gets you that clarity. It's always talk to someone and say it's not. This is not about saying you can't go to starbucks and get a GonNa Coffee. It's more about you have your money that comes in. It's going to different places and you WanNa make sure it's going to the right place and you know by tracking your spending. That's that's one way of doing it. You know type back to goals and you know whether someone's on track to hit their goals goals cost it costs. There needs to be money allocated to retire. If you're tracking to save on to put your kids from school. There needs to be money that needs to get allocated towards and if you're spending it all in one area then there might not be another way to to hit one of your priorities when your goals and this is a way of really making sure that your money's working for you and go on to the right places The last thing I want to talk about specifically about the act whereas the investments feature and Victoria mentioned this earlier about how you know Ponlok They can see a button that says investments. And when you drill into that you can actually get a lot of information about those investments. Everything from your account details. What Holdings are securities in the account? You can see how the accounts been performing you know. The value over time has changed any transactions so if there were any purchases sells money deposit money withdrawn. It really goes back to you. Know getting that clarity into everything that's going on and especially now with everything that's going on in the market. People are really attuned to their 401K'S IRA's their investment accounts and this providing a Welson is a feature mechanism to be able to see that updating real time and and not that we condone looking at your count investment account every five minutes. But it's a way you can see what's going on at at all times. I think it's a great feature should because every client is different and some people want see all those details than some people. Don't really care to see all the details of what is in their investments. So it's great meals. People really want a diet gate. You drive in and see exactly how each funds doing and for those people just want a quick glance in quick overview. That's what started buffing status. You can go ahead and get into it as much as little as you'd like to. And the other features with investments that is also on there is you can get a risk number and and On a bunch of previous podcast. I always talk about wanting to know. What risk comfortable with and correlate that with trysofi do have and how much risk you should have in your in your accounts and we're seeing now the market fluctuations where people are getting more attuned to the Bristol in their portfolio. Isn't that You know investments. Don't always go up over time. You really want to have the right amount of risk in that. You don't want to be too aggressive. You don't WanNa be too conservative but there is probably a certain amount of risk that should have to be able and again Corley all to your goals and you know this all comes back to. How can we set you up on on a path to achieve your goals or how to make progress on your goals over time and how to know where you stand with them and you know the the investment pieces is one part of that definitely helps for by that clarity into that? You can do this on a desktop on your laptop or there is a mobile APP that data can use. So it's very easy to set up. You can have all the features that you can see on your computer and you can also view them on the phone or tablet as well. I actually have long at super helpful. I love it and I know a Lotta clients who have founded to be a great feature. Yeah so I think those are the main features. Were just at a time and Victoria. Thanks for coming on. I know you help. Our clients get onboard with on the tool if someone has questioned whether their client or not a client just WanNa see a demo of it or see how it works. What's the best way to reach you so I have a county linked to set up a thirty minute meeting? It should take longer than thirty minutes. And it's just colonly. Dot Com backslash Toria Dash One zero to organize any questions or would just like to email me instead of the time. You can go ahead and do that at Victoria at about his financial dot com in a lot of people like to get started do things by themselves so we also have a page on our website where someone can actually get started playing around the APP by themselves and that's about as financial dot com slash. Discover Dash how and now you can try it out. Take it for for a test. Run and see if it can help you achieve your goals so thank you for listening to artists and have a great day. Thank you for listening. To the ancient of wealth podcast. Click the subscribe button below to be notified. When new episodes become available the information covered represents the views and opinions of the guests and does not necessarily represent the views or opinions about is financial. The content has been made available for informational and educational purposes. Only and is not intended to be a substitute for professional financial planning and investment advice. 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Ep 11: Is the Online Fitness Industry Saturated with Jonathan Goodman

It's Possible - Conversations with Successful Online Trainers

1:06:14 hr | 1 year ago

Ep 11: Is the Online Fitness Industry Saturated with Jonathan Goodman

"Is a place that we're going where almost income little it's on my business hello and welcome to it's possible conversations with successful online trainers in you say interface for ads for sick. We include of course in the winter parents. I literally say by force if i didn't but i only we put it here because if i did you might not of course employment to get they were quick. I know you into this episode but i wanted to let you know that if you want to get started coaching than i have if we give for you it's a free three day course and learn the co truths guaranteed to get you online as clients you can register with email online trainer dot com slash intro or if you're in the united states simply text p._t. D._c. two four four four nine nine nine thanks now back to the show by mrs depression and was the national association of business and marketing. The only way was marketing is to wrap it up into the nice little system package. It is a huge ego. Will anybody's achievement conversation as not our acts. I i'm is mass step by step. It's junior to that rational. Host nationalizes means something burns in a nate guesses. Some apples is causes nationals that again little things that happen to or meeting. We ignore them ourselves. Kinder words not realizing that they take those votes are can we show tournament exact words something to the tune of light try because if you do it will almost certainly not <unk> happening enter but it owns for sure will happen ostensibly in a way that could have never initial would meet with the mitchell so much domini whatever you don't meet the by now labels off the truth is will reduce your teaching fundamentals. I don't believe in giving one system. We have lots of systems which ones have a perfect. That's mentors you. In the course you working. You're uh-huh owes us ly saturday transformation detox. Here's my whatever it works for you. Even if that's the whole year now inward which leads you back act you to be aukin wallet in your back pocket. Informa- syndrome backroom was gone and you're looking curtain again and you've got to hand it over to somebody else a new system in the next few months and eventually you'll get the insurance it by the whole thing like i'm gonna keep because i. I don't think that that's what <unk> actually need or want. So that's why i'm happy to this next state where a lot of that stuff is gonna just just get weeded out just like it should be allowed to do a bad job any in business coaching. They miss <music> well. I do not that's one. I did notice this week on facebook out. A huge instagram famous coach has got a ton of backlash to the point where she actually went on some news like broadcast because she had it was just like there were facebook communities coming up about like how horrible of job she was doing and how she got ripped off and i think that's really valuable for us to notice that like these people are kind of being called out and miss an for for those twenty seven dollars a month programs that ten thousand people are getting because that's really not what people want. They want to see results. They want at <hes> personal. Donald touch with this service at their hang and people are willing to pay for it. I mean i know personally if i was by twenty seven dollar program. I wouldn't necessarily think it's gonna work or gene burns. I would rather spend two hundred dollars and get a program. That's specifically made for me since you seven to also <hes> yeah no. It's it's reasonably easy. If you happen and unfortunately <unk> save booking reasonably easy to sell based career devotion in the fitness society what we do section emotional better. You always see people whatever social network is invoked uses. Whatever the day the biggest leauge you'll always see people selling low-cost e books that thing because they really easy songs on arnold on funeral but but consumers becoming more intelligent and more than anything else charles consumers are willing to spend a little bit more to get results sibling because they <unk> zones in the past. I'm just with that or even if i'm wrong with that still go back so he needs to the people and then once you thirty two hundred dollars we want you to use that as a nazis but like even even jobs two hundred full within england on another coach it and you can crisis like this is how actually bill sale business is is on any job that people you know in a year. If you charge two hundred dollars a mile you give sixty percent of it so the jared owner jim. You're paying for a bunch of stuff online. Is you have applying aging dolls. I will you mean just nine percent plus third sensing processing charm and immediate a little bit of software cost. Maybe not like like we should keep on how to set up with their aides softwares or websites anything like that eventually you probably want to. Let's have a fifty dollars a month across all of ars you keeping a hundred seven. You don't <unk> that two hundred hundred bucks that she heard you know obviously pre chats all this going into your pocket. In families adds so much quicker and it doesn't in media full-time thing we protect into beside us be something that she can in addition to the clients <unk> like jim commute <unk> eiger trim bovines jamming light. Well jim ruin. Now doesn't matter if your clients away the client wants to make a fool to your center because such a good incentive <unk> now you can work with that i think of the hell lush that extra offense you bottom. Jim was uh-huh well. That's like when i interviewed last week ben graham and both of them you the hybrid training method so it's super valuable outs when i spend more time with his son so for him like having an extra couple clients allowed him like that free time during the day which is great because he he's also a firefighter so he had his full time job but he wanted. You know some extra money on the side so that he wasn't always having to put in daycare while he was training. I mean i go to two hours the past where i don't get hitched or video of calvin some alison in miami. I send them daily you his really real unusual before it gets well. That's awesome. I'm gonna dive in here because i see. We've actually got a lot of comments here so i wanna welcome. Janine chew the o._t._a. I she said that she signed up yesterday and she can't wait to get started that is super awesome congratulations girl and not going the mutual materials if you haven't they're waiting for the we're books probably superseded honored tokyo. Thank you addressable. Absolutely connor says totally agrees this. We're going to be a big thing for me to implement <hes>. He said that are earlier in the conversation there where he said that he did sign up which is super exciting so connor welcome nee remembered shines new in sewer as if that's true you can't junior errands erin says how important do you guys think is to me down so feel like we had covered this about the one percent down the quick again i mean a lot of this is what we call it. Soccer is much cheaper than <unk>. People talk about each. If you guys go to coast to coast each of which will do you much good. I'll the youth even each <hes> with increasing training you back from something location parts. It's most people will travel more than twenty minutes show jay which means in most markets but in most markets if you own people were close to like otto that is going to the gym where ready you know if if you do you might get a for movies online you're competing with like a die in germany for instance and so i do important wingate started to identify because that's the only independent advantage you pass. Lou always going to be people. Were going to be better at marketing half bigger budgets and much better. They were paid advertising so i'm not saying that those tools are useful asu but i believe in taking advantage and getting the greatest advantage that i have you know i always look for the wisconsin asymmetric hours of asymmetrical. Today's cbs opportunities where i can. I can invest the recent ristic <unk> war. I could send released a time for the best chances talks. I can spend the least amount of chances and so so we'll call it represent us yeah. It's important when you start online is unique connect with people in a way that others in order to give them that musicians and make a decision and and once you get young people real results and makes a lot less tips because now people results so chris. He says that he is that guy. For the atlanta falcons fan groups they know me as the fitness falcon guy and i have sold to. I'm trying to get my girlfriend to be that person. Per game of thrones clubs like some new as orbiting <unk> <unk> football fan clubs and fan boosters year chris has popular loose as fitness dying in a fan club coaching and that's gets his thoughts so as the new that wears the waves the actually guts energy wasn't letter matters uh-huh. If you not go look at how howard engines way marketing who make the backbone of us like this just how ooh logic mellon that should be and yet it's it's harold fills finds that and it gives people in those communities to trust him more engines and more because it uses the rule who just because he's there where they are human language that they see and some uncommon commonality in very cool so for those of you that are watching at you have any questions for a job. I let us know in the comments okay so the next year. Cameron says that they signed up this morning as well <hes> they've been in the industry for the last ten years in all these years i developed in multiple nisha you should therefore i actually have a problem with which one i want to move in with. Oh this is yes. Kamer will well first off on anybody. Who's lasted ten years in this industry pretty special person <hes> we really aren't human. Thank thank you testing us to sage will give you really begin to now but is not gonna be enough for you. Talk about an indefinite mentors georgia for you know this is this is limited capital finishes his some of these things you really need to talk and so the first thing is to really may dial back what you know all the time especially within versus <unk> jump in your late with this. This is market. This is my niece. She jumped on g slower because it's there is some random occurrences <unk> thing but we will intricate step back in. My uncle is a week a walk into which we actually not l. <unk>. You need to define what that looks like. A forty make decisions so so huge set-back being really wanna in any one of these communities that you're well now one of the issues that do not shorts eating the author. I thought like you had a choice before with shorts and that's super section can't work with two types of people you can but again on rining is awesome bones if you're not for one person if you're everybody nobody nobody so you can't really say. I hope this was switched to markets but you're going to create create two different buckles way. Look at services. We have cousy nights on two different routes where messages are vein clearcut. If somebody posts a message that's more inclusive training in origin we stop and and we ask them to keep that he gives his sacking nat that it becomes louis on saturday from there are i'm sure also heard louis generalized loops of personal names ninety nine percent of the stuff nunu critic your lesson awesome you go for problems. You don't particularly trust the information there because everybody's coming all over the vice principal biases wisman unity and one platform and one goal one all everybody's working towards towards the same goal interested in saint seeking the same kind of line and so did you do decide at one of votes you can but no it comes with that which means it very well. That's a great answer now <music>. I'm actually really excited because this next person here one had a private message new this morning saying they were a new certified personal. John trainer and there were wondering what should they do ray said you've got to sign up for this free app maker so i sent them be the sign up and it looks like they also have a question so they're saying as we starting out as a c._p._t. My goal is to be independent. Should i start a local gym to build up highest and and get a feel for the industry or jumping into this program. Wait right away be bass. I would like to have my own website and sell my own merge and on workout session d._v._d.'s online talking today and the reason why talking what cities because i've been recorded in audio which is coming out at the beginning of june now the next look. That's coming here at the beginning jesus series. We're going to be pretty out of oak every two months shopping versus. This problem is to start your career navigator <unk> roy one. You shouldn't sign up you can absolutely learn about but when you start a new career you need to work in person and i also lead the <unk> with as many people as possible in theory to certain accepts which should do in unity. You should get a job at large jan big mucking but you're going to put you in front of a lot of different people and you newly opening for a little while. You're going to need to get good at what you do. You're gonna taylor with a lot of times you need a lot of research on who looks good who jumps and team that and and is that the destiny suite at the most successful orange to do that is spoken much narrow limes the who dumped on none of this businesses but you truly what time you gotta get and you should not be online online training unless you holy comfortable prevent online turning requires a much more proactive in lateral folks taking care of your cards. You've got to be proper or they get something happens through finding jin with their asserted good <unk> we're much more nuanced understanding of that gangnam trans marine veteran like as regimented as as s. Here's this here's this thing. Most of learning do tile was kind of china higher on the floor. If you're not sending asphalt i i started my fulltime personal training career with music experience the university january twenty five hours leaking university jim standing in a four years agency same time meaning that i was thinking moving he needed sits. It's interesting the void and so and then i will twelve fourteen hour days on floor for five years. That was any of this happened. Whatever the heck is wrong. You see two sumitomo citizen. My buffalo news a man. I love love love. You your your motivation. I love the energy. Jenner found us settle right. We don't have electable find us which means that when which is their position by array because when people we we attract the people that we want to weigh way trainers means that gwen to attract a lot of my upper ready for titan message. You must leave the wagered food's better <unk> awesome nimitz in these questions <hes> <unk> gym man. We're gonna jim buster by get kicked around a little bit feeling hugh being abused in cheated by jim. Onerous <music> with clients have great experiences with clients this is this is the process if you use from there you ready for online trading at at awesome. What a great answer pretty funny dude the last little bit. I'm so we've another question here and i'm sorry i can't pronounce your name in a really bad meeting. Johnny can pronounce their name here either. They're saying i'm from indiana and i'm going to be signing up tonight. One question you ball in india are not soups wean and skeptical call to join online training how the target people outside facebook encircle yes. It was a non question. People interested in india is very eager in database theory <unk> in where you certainly have a very very much so you lost your <unk>. If anybody's students that are listening to new interests you too people our country easily. I mean it's it's. What are you interested in an <unk> cool now. You just joined us careers. You don't want to send my facebook ads that jen. What are you interested in an issue. Uh-huh boorda's don't really matter that much but i- which our juicing chiemsee mental born in your open on my journey my in my not call mrs. It's interesting side. We look at at asian markets. India's often this for between life is injuring. If you look progression of the fitness industry in north america we kinda compus we again actually do the training with like the body goes back <unk> which sits just just say everybody. That's not a good enough example at there. Is this like this. This is it is time bo insanity so psycho curves n._s. Crossed it mobility like it's it's just as backward backwards and west funding that were very similar amongst if a little bit there little bit back for larry not that they necessarily weren't all these accidents steps though yes the america but so it's kinda proved accurate so on to get ahead number one number two. You know what i ruined. Inequities people the open nearly two <hes> and and i conclude that because people are so we might get box but fundamentals fundamentals are the fundamentals. I think being sick that look people make session there. Who's trying to transition online only that was leaked with some fines. It's not big every time i look at it as a pop star earn. Ah potential is he's a so some clients one on one training is the best other other people suits. Some people love group fitness and crews and zimba since take me through some people. It's not fake others. We heard this course force but it's very notching navy it's artful and so we had asked apparently deeply for those china transition in mind natalie the negative feedback as to use people really good time in group saying in a gym probably really want want face to face the groups that are gonna jim like that's why they win at so the trinity of people tune in every job might just not so definitely is like again. You need to to to match with soon thing howard. Don't don't do it because he did. We would attract people that are product is spiteful but this way people find listened win for us and the kind of people so here is free on jeans. It's similar to what you can take hours there but he's on ranch in people who liked to online communities thrive in that viral will start to works and those are the people in this terror business is operatives. That's we've moved really really over the last couple. Estimate students of struggle signed to walk with a trainer one. If the origin and at the end of the day you gotta providing the best possibly can and if somebody else who provide hours so <hes> that is out really well and connor conor says i completely understand fantastic answer and our friend from india who says they get my dilemma trying to pronounce the names. Thank you say thanks for your reply really appreciated it and i get it. It's just a matter of time will really start. Believing online. Training is were jet with other thing with <hes> they already mentioned. Is that really like to make seventeen seventy two thousand a year. You only need thirty people aw swell. John is has been awesome. Do you have any last words for those that are watching. I mean that is we have the originator candidate so this will continue to be the best program in the wall we this tremendous amounts of and time and effort and everything that we do make better stories for our students in a lethal do search two zero others and i hope that you get some clarity. That's not only cruel and if it isn't unhoped. Look with you getting opportunity to you know what books material we've got. Newbies enjoyed john. Just trying to say is don't think that just because you're not buying things unless you began learns well. That's awesome so propose of you are watching an hall. We want to thank you for joining us today. And of course you have any questions after after going through and rewatching this. Please let us know in the comments will be definitely checking those haute in john aaron. Thank you for taking your time today and answering all these questions i think and sharing that really sounds like being online market is not saturated are all of his yeah absolutely can't we. I'll be on well. Thank you very much for watching and he is john goodman a and i just wanted to say thank you so much time to listen to sub so if you did find it helpful another training care about once he becomes obsessed also so if you haven't already every podcast gets sent streets you and go searching fourth hey you made it's the end so i i hope we took away at least one key. Lesson esme using your journey. Finally don't forget about waylon. Quotes foods guaranteed to get you more online spines. If you have registered uh-huh either into email online dot com slash intro or if you in the united states simply text key t. d. c. two four four four nine nine nine so again. Thanks for listening and we'll talk soon.

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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Rounding up

Cincy Jungle

1:20:48 hr | 1 year ago

The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Rounding up

"The. Everyone. Welcome to another episode of the orange black insider Bengals podcast. And we have a jam packed jampacked show ahead for everybody. We've got a bunch of guests. You're all familiar with them. They're going to bring a bunch of draft knowledge. We are so excited to have all of these special guests on our on our podcast. We have as boogie from the new stripe city podcast gonna be joining us just a little bit. We have co Cody to me who is a Bengals Twitter favorite is going to be joining us in just a little bit. We have Mickey mentzer who is a an old school Bengals podcast favorite from a long time ago. A lot of you know, him from day fans, and John Aaron I know you're stoked about this. We have James repeating from ninety two point three the fan. A recent defector from the city of Cincinnati, James. How're trader the factor? Though since the food defectors do though, but it makes you got good, man. Of course, I kid in. I think you for the time. I know it's a busy week for everybody. You know, this is the Bengals podcast. We're going to ask you about the Bengals. But we would be remiss given your first of all how's how's the new gig treating is? You got new City New gig, all that kind of everything everything going, okay? Everything's good. Everything's the transition. You know, it's always different transitioning from one another, obviously. But you know, quite nicely looking for the summer spring and summer here in Cleveland because I hear me on the lake so we'll see but plenty of excitement comes to the sports teams, especially specifically the Browns and the most they've made over the past couple of past couple of months. Well, congratulations on the move. It's we're we're still for you man in in speaking of the Browns. I guess you know, I hate to start a bangles podcast off with them. But we need to talk about them at least a little bit. Because you're in the city. I'm sure the city is just a buzz right now with everything going on there. And you know, how do you see things kind of plain out for them with all of the moves? They made this off season and the draft picks brought in last year. How do you how do you see things playing out for them in the NFL draft coming up this weekend? It's interesting because obviously, they don't have I pick that. Until forty nine over all in. You're right. I mean, there's a ton of buzz around the team just finally the, you know, the potential good again, obviously Baker Mayfield or they'll back immune your drivers. We know who's on that roster. They still have some hold, and it will be interesting to see how John Dorsey Brooks filled up, right? Because they they could use another corner. They could hurt major yourself on the defensive line linebacker is a need that angle Sanford familiar with? So that's what the Browns look at in that. I just ate. You'll be the one question. I Brown chance have right now. We'll John Dorsey trait up probably considering they have a bunch of late round collections of in his up before in. The question is at how highly trained voice right up into the first mile just trade up from forty to forty five straight up from the eightieth pick overall to sixty five. So that I think is where fans right now. But they're excited to see what's next because. But the Brown the GM that's been as Greg. As John Dorsey, obviously in a long time. It's been really long one. And he thinks they're trying to be unclear talked with James repeating of ninety two point three the fan in Cleveland talking a little bit of Browns football. And then of course, the Cincinnati bangles here kind of segues from from both franchises. I guess, you know, the Browns you look at their off-season and what they've done. I'd like to hear kind of you know, if you think they are living up to this double digit win hype that they're getting, but I also want to get your thoughts a little bit on what the Bengals did this off season as they head into the draft in and kind of compare what both those teams did over the over the spring months. It's interesting that they're in two different places. I'll start with the Browns but Bengals fan don't turn it because they Bengals referencing memories of the Bengals. They certainly think fond of the Brown this year going into this season. Remind me a lot of the old five Bengals they have a first they've a newer head coach Marvin have been a couple of years. But those that remember Marvin in the early years of Marvan she excited Cincinnati fans were excited about Marvin Lewis in the energy brought to a a franchise that for the nineties in the early part of the two thousands was just dreadful they spent their first run to take on the Carson Palmer Brown did the same with two. They remain field Baker playing as a rookie. So that's why I kind of fast forwarded a year, this this to me is like the old five Bengals have to address Devers that compare a lot chech- TJ jails, Madonna, they both went to college. Together. One primarily of flack Landry the other Nobel that computers, electrifying dances. So that's dead hot dogs, and like, they're it's it's kind of crazy to see some of those similarities remember thing compared to the most is the by the by. Is fine. It was to be a Bengal fantasy thousand five he was the most fun year. I've had being a football fan and just watching that team. And I know how to ended in heartbreak, but that that's so much fun. And I think that that's where the Browns are this year. They have that type of potential that kind of played out here. It's going to happen. Still think they need to fill a few holes and things like that. But it reminds me a lot of the old five Bengals whether they're just ready to hit the ground running and make some noise for the first time that a long kind of. I kind of liked that compares the oh five Bengals John. Sharon, by the way. I I know we've we've never had a chance to talk to you. But you into the Bengals covering them. Now, you've had experience with the city of Cleveland covering Cleveland teams. If you were just a casual had no socio with either team had no soci- cover covering the the casual fan and just looking at both the Bengals and the Browns, and where the are right now and the trajectory that both teams are going on because they are both going through some period of transition. The are in different trajectories in terms of going up and going down if you were just a casual outsider, which franchise would you have more confidence in going forward to mind you. We don't have any Browns fans listening. This is all bagels. Well, I mean, that's honestly, it's easy. A big part of that is big part of that is any. It's just the. The personality of Nebraska. I mean, they're led by Baker who isn't afraid to stay out Jackson afraid to caught Colin Calver on Twitter. You know, just do things like that that stands would do. So people relate to that Odell Beckham junior the biggest star, and I don't even say this because he's in Cleveland. But I think he's the biggest star football player, but isn't a quarterback on the planet. So when you mesh that together, it's either they're just a sex your team right now. Then the Bengals you look at Endo kinda quiet of really good, dude. Kind of quiet AJ green same thing. So even though the Bengals has stars. And I think at this point they're almost being underrated and overlooked because they have a pretty solid core. But because they underachieve last year mostly because of injuries I only wanted to enter team because they were quite by injuries last year kind of do their season. So I think the Bengals have being overlooked. I think that the casual San if. They were picking a team ranked? Now, look certainly the Browns or they didn't have enough Ilyushin either want. But that that being said that doesn't mean that the goes are as bad as people are making them out to be. I don't think anyone is really swing than they in anywhere. Besides fourth in the division. And I don't think it has to go cadets written in stone that they're gonna finish last in the division. This coming season. Dogma James or pain of ninety two three the fan in Cleveland. Good to have him on the show. It's been been a while. And it has been so long since we've had you on the show James that there is a coaching regime now, you spent a coaching regime change that is you spent some time I spent considerable time around the Bengals and Marvin Lewis, and you know, how the team operates and operated under Louis. You haven't really spent the time with this new coaching staff that's in place. But I, you know, you still have a great pulse on the team based on what what they did this off season, which is, you know, kind of their MO stick with a lot of the guys they know couple of outside players resigned their own and seeing the needs that they have here. What do you see them doing in the first couple of rounds this weekend coming up in terms of positions may be players? All that. Good stuff. Yeah. I the Bengals very good spot because at eleven you're going to get a premium Cowan. Or you're getting you're probably gonna fill a need, and you should be able to do both. And they're in a good spot. Right. Think river gonna be some teams giving them a call depending on what quarterbacks are available potentially trade up, which means you have an asset in that eleven Beck. And I would not be shocked at all if they trade down. I think in a perfect world. They would address one of two positions unless they feel like one of these quarterbacks is franchise guy. I always that's always the restore that. To this. Because obviously, we think doing asking that you he's eleven then they should go get him or maybe they should go get him because I've seen some people say that. But I'm not sure that's the case I lead towards them addressing the offense of line. We're going in the first round at eleven that. Because to me there's going to be they might have the the pick of the litter when it comes to tackle. And at worst at worth, I think maybe Joan Williams on to maybe one tackles gone. And then after that you're talking about you can get the next guy. Whether that's Dillard, and it very well be Dillard, maybe they like the Joon Taylor out of Florida. They trade back and get one of those guys moved back to fifteen with Washington. So I think the Bengals are in a good spot to do that. Obviously, we know about the two Devon's Devon Devon Bush push things like the more likely the to to fall. And then you got a couple defensive ends pass rushers that have some from flags, right? And onto it Montesquieu it. And then the kid out of Michigan named escapes me at the moment. But yeah, I mean, so they they have options are going to be some some good players of greedy players potentially. They're Levin, or if they trade that they might be able to add another asset to I think in a perfect world. You got pretty for my scenario alone. Want my scenario that I want the Bengals to do. It would do a bunch of things it would address needs and it would prepare for the future. And I think they need to do both. I would if I was the Bengals just pray that half to eleven in that Miami. Or Washington is super interested in moving up the moment, they move up. Let's say you get a third round pick to move back for spots. You take tackle because linebackers probably won't be there. You take one of those you take Dillard, let's say you take paler whoever they like the most in. Then you take your second round pick in a fifth round pick or whatever it takes second fourth and the second this year afford, you had that third and you go Josh Rosen because we all know kind of Moore's role number one. Overall Rosen is guaranteed moneys already paid out. It's one point eight million. You can keep any Dalton for the next two years if you want I mean, he doesn't matter because rookie. On under a nice rookie deal. You're not paying top dollar. You're acquiring an asset that could be the future of Cincinnati Bengals football to me. Your quarterback position. You still get a top. Tackle you send a message to antidote. And then Carlos Dunlap Ejido ad that hey, we wanna rip we're gonna protect handy. AJ green? By the way, was a free agent to be while also preparing for without Andy Dalton back to me. It's a lot of moving parts a lot of things when you have including half consoling Arizona needs to, but that Kameda scenario that that I would because I think right now rose one of the best bargains out there based on what I've heard, and so you can get impressed second into four or something like that. You certainly do it. He'd be interesting to see where Josh Rosen would go in this year's class. If he was if he came out this year instead of last year with the crowded class of of twenty eighteen and set of this kind of a little bit weaker class in twenty nineteen and you know for the first time. A while the Bengals have not they haven't really tipped their hand. We think we have an idea of what they might do. But we'll see that would be great scenario James that you just laid out the James repeating of any. That's not true craving. No, no. I mean, I mean, I think maybe for the Bengals that's crazy. But we'll. But you know, from from most other teams perspective, that's really not too crazy. But James where where where can people find you these days now that you're not based in the city of Cincinnati where people find you and obviously on Twitter and all that good stuff. On Twitter at Ames or pain. I do mostly just so people are where most of the time I'm not talking grounds. So I come on Indian Cavs. There's a team that I covered your for ninety two three the fan in Cleveland. So yeah, they'll come grounds tweet here though. Because I am in Cleveland, but they're also become Bengals treats along the way. Obviously with the draft tomorrow. I'm excited. I'm excited to watch the draft watch Friday, I'll certainly be doing about the draft on. So you could me there and the I appreciate that. It's only fun to talk Bank of don't get to do it as much used to. Well, I take advantage of. Yeah. We're we're still time, man. And you know, we'll we'll have you back on for sure. Whether that's hopefully sooner rather than later, but at a minimum, you know, when the teams clash a couple of times this next year, we love to talk with you more and and get some insight, but thanks for me in the time and enjoy enjoy the draft weekend. And congratulations again on the on the new gig. It's still kinda new so congratulations. Again, we'll talk soon. Bye. All right. Take it easy that was James repeat of ninety two three the fan in Cleveland, and formerly of ESPN Cincinnati. We were we were privileged to have him. It's been probably a year or so since he's been on the program. So very excited to have him on as I mentioned. This is the orange black insider Bengals podcast. We are in the middle of jam packed show. 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I'm here to draft. And. So I tell our tiller listeners, what's your YouTube channels about what's the word that you really do regards the Bengals YouTube channel is for the this essentially like everything famous for anything from analysis to analytics like you said to just like person without sometimes fan 'cause things of that nature when it's really for the Don. So when I really created I was a guy that likely on YouTube, and I would always like a pretty much from quarries on any bangles. And I just didn't see a lot class out there for us on. So kind of sparked me as well, if it's gonna be out there be guts mich- out there, and we just built a great community for sure. So when looking at this draft, so you do something that believe it's called prime in one of my favorite things to to kind of breakdown analyze so costs a little bit about prime in some of the play. That really stood out for this class in regards mangles. Thank you. Appreciate it. That will prime is essentially of blended activated that tastes a look at the bingles history originally when I started it was everything Luis Erazo to three all the way until that current year in basically, what it does looks at a number of things such as size college conference things of that nature that the Bengals kind of handed. He to look for in the guys they've drafted at share these aren't things ominous will so the prime is actually the great and some of the guys that kind of spec out this year were Cleveland Farrell cleanse, these appreciate your with on. But he really fits the Bengals is metrics with a look at the imposition. He was one of the guys that were high desert Lawrence's another guy that spec out deebo Samuel seismic times out on there as well. Another guy that. We've heard Dave bible Mitch months split. He was actually pretty island there as another edge on one of the things spies. The actually was quarterback is the guy that stood list actually, crew lots is early on overdoing Haskins in overcoat Murray. Most likely would I believe Demet passan's ahead to do with his age and Noam promo the years, I've found that angles have distinct types and sizes also player eight so those are things out account here on when looking at that. But in terms of the linebacker position devil way. Extra can't I Bush was not too far away from him. So a kind of gives you a pretty good idea of the players might be on the board. Sometimes it could be dead on on within the city. But the first year that I did it was crazy because believe four out of the five picks. William Jackson, the third in that draft. He sixteen a lot of guys that were at the top of the point ended up being the guy picks. Those are some of the guys out this year. Yeah. That's awesome. So when looking at that and looking at the players that the Bengals have shown interest in I noticed that there is a lot of similar names that that had been brought in for the for those top thirty visits some of the players leaving they've mentioned on the bangs booth podcast. So are there any players that that really slick there that that you are personal fans of not even maybe looking at prime, but just their role tape in their overall with the Bengals I will say one of the one of the guys got me was to locked even though the Bengals bike lane. I'm not sure exactly for dinner. Take quarterback of do. Lot stood out to me on a feral. I'm got kind of a little flex like feral slow to me kind of his when I looked at his he's a guy that can not only passer run on something that stood out. I also probably say, of course, white. But honestly, I'm kinda starting to essentially. Look at Delmonico's close out think they gap is wide as it really is. And when I looked as other athletes aren't people compared him to Bobby Wagner. But they compared white guarantees that was on me. But DEM bushes. Another die that I like that is pretty high on prime as well as I probably say resign. Gary are not huge fan on. He will be a guy like if we moved back. I will be okay with backed by going on. But those guys the gap, but me personally, I probably have to go as I've mentioned by the white or maybe drew lock if they do look at quarterback on those up to be. Talking with as booty of new stripe city podcast. I will as. I'm so caviar man. And I don't know if you know, but a lot of we had a lot of feedback in our on our live YouTube Jad, and and a lot of stuff over the months over recent months, we gotta get you gotta get as on your you. Gotta get apron here. You gotta get as on here. So even though we've only got you for for a little bit of time. I'm really excited and stoke that you're able to make the time in and appreciate what you do there. I'm curious if you look as you mentioned, you looked at drew lock with your with your analytics and all of that. I'm curious if you looked at Daniel Jones it because this is a guy who is one of the most polarizing prospects in the draft. It seems as if most fans it seems as if a lot of teams don't really dig him, but some of the old school scouts like Gil Brandt loves him other people that say, oh, he's an ex Peyton Manning. I don't see it. I see the accuracy I see a little bit of the touch. I don't see the arm strength. I do see the. Size. But to me, he's kind of a maybe tops out at a mid level type of NFL quarterback. I don't know what your metrics. If you took a look at him what they say. Oh, yeah. Definitely oh to be honest with you. He was actually one of the lowest of the first round quarterbacks on their mostly impart to the fact that the Bengals have never really taken anyone app Kentucky. So that would be a I another thing would be looked by his as well as looks like his aides are things at the bagels typically away from us. So for Daniel Jones to me, I have to have you with you. I'm not really sold on him. Like that. I do spanked go brench opinion. Thanks that nature. But I agree with you. But it's it's like there is some buzz building around your Jones reports now that the giants could be interested in Memphis is sticks. But in terms of crime, it's it's like he was actually the lowest faded of knows of or basketball heard of camaraderie. The Wayne has end drew lock. So he actually came last with those actually the last rated guy on for the. Interesting. Interesting. So you got for those who aren't tuning in live as has. I think it's a te'o jersey on right? Is that? Te'o. Okay. So how do you? I asked a similar question to James, but I kind of want to be a little more specific to this. Because this is a question that. We have received quite often from a lot of our listeners. And that is kind of how you see the first few picks plan out for the Bengals this coming weekend and more specifically DC receiver in there because as James mentioned AJ green impending free agent Tyler Boyd impending free agent John Ross their trade rumors going around, and there's some underachievement happening there. And then behind those guys there are a lot of question marks. So do you all of a sudden see maybe a second round third round and kill Harry or Riley Ridley or one of these guys may be sneaking in on one of the plans. Andy Vella, something like that. Or do you think they play it safe in? They really go after needs which is defensive line linebacker offense of line. Oh, that's a great question. If I would say that from the standpoint of everything that I'm kinda so kin we know that AJ green is f- going to be first priority to get locked up. I'd also have to be without a boy John roster was at crazy rumor that was floated out there that apparently Santander had reached out to him tried to shoot that death. But when you look at some of the Vits say actually brought in dice it could be pretty high. It's on about deebo Samuel. You're talking about a couple of receiver Ohio State. But the honest with you, I think the needs at linebacker an offense tackle are so much more pressing that they will look at why receiver as possibly one of the picks that they wait until later. But I think if they do make Paik within those first three rounds, I think it will be in the third round. We can see similar to what happened with more Walton where we were all of shot that he was taken for I win. Don't be surprised if that happened because is extensions Tyler boy breakdown. They don't have any. Ensure that it wants the next year. So if they do take a receiver ethic being around when I think that they think that off it's tackle. And the linebacker position is something that would need a lot more concern, which I hope they await also do you have to think about it too. Michael Johnson's left's that's prime position as Fido could their lost out Carlos in a bathroom as and he's specialist. Apple guy. Immediately fill a need that we have. Yeah. You're you're speaking, my co-host language. He is a is a big proponent of the Bengals getting an edge rusher early in this year's draft. So. Bengals do mine for nation for pick. A number eleven is going to be Devon white. I think health falen lived down here, Florida. I'm friends with a lot of Tampa Bay Buccaneers fares. There. I think that he is not going to be the picket upper file on may be wrong. But it's that they would like to actually attack the or the quarter fits that happens. Della white could fall I think there is no doubt among mind, if he's there you have to take that guy. That would be well. Yeah. I I mean, I I don't know if you if you heard our mock drafts or not as from last week, we I I had Oliver is my pick in. I just think like you. I think someone that is a premier player could fall because we've seen teams rush up to get a quarterback. We've seen teams reach for certain players. And all of a sudden some guy falls Aaron Donald was like a number thirteen or fourteen overall pick Jays like best defensive player in the league. So we seen whether it's all over whether it's white somebody is probably going to fall and fall right into the Bengals lap. At least. We hope that's the scenario ace fix for the time. How can people get in touch with you? How can people check out your stuff? All that good stuff. You can finally own Instagram at me city on Twitter at historic city, but the main place that you can contact me all my YouTube channel, new stripes that awesome. What I would like to do is is after the draft. Once we kinda digest everybody who the bangles get love to go through some of these picks love to have you back on go through some of those picks run it through the prime system that you were talking about and see how they stack up because I think that would be very very interesting if you'd be willing to do that we love to have him back on him. Oh, of course, in I just want to out to you, man. I dunno. If you remember, but I was actually on your previous casts a long time ago inside the jungle it's the. Kind of sport. When when when that went away kind of sparked the whole new stripe city, man. So what he's saying ladder be here with you and Jon spoil, and we can definitely get up man it off. Awesome. It like I said we've had a lot of a lot of people say, you gotta get you gotta get as you got today. Unfortunately, I've, you know, I've I've dropped the ball on that. But I'm glad you were able to to come on here. And we'd love to have you back on soon. Yeah. Likewise, man. Who are? All right. Enjoy enjoy the draft, my friend. Yes, sir. Alright. Zia while jam jam packed staff. John we are we're just moving right along. We've got a lot to get to again. This orange black insider Bengals podcast. He's John Aaron I'm Anthony Kazan's. A you can get this show on itunes Stitcher on Spotify on Google play on the megaphone platform. You can also get it on YouTube and since he jungled dot com. We appreciate all the support. We're gonna try and get some listener questions at the end of the show. We do have an announcement at the end of the show as well. So stay tuned for that. We've had James repeated from ninety two three the fan on. We have had a spooky from the new stripe city podcast on. And now we bring in. A guy who joined us not too long ago. But as a great a great guy to have on the podcast, very knowledgeable. And a lot of fun on Twitter. Cody Toomey, Codey banks. Join us, man. No. You got a lot going on with your hopefully, your little your little guys feeling better indoor you got over. But how's everything going? Not too bad. Can't complain. Mattel didn't ready for bed. Hopefully, take in the the warm bath BAFTA, if it's a sinus thing. Area. To learn the tricks trade, right? Why time, and I know I know you're you've got a lot going on as do we all this time of year? But I, you know, I'm kind of wondering where to start with you because we talked about a lot of draft stuff. But since you were last on the show so much as happened in terms of rumors and everything and a lot of it happens to be with Dwayne Haskins at number eleven the Bengals are interested. And they're saying they're not interested. And now the Redskins are heavily entering him. Raskin's don't lie him. So relay somebody likes Haskins it's been wild. Tis lease it, right? So. As you see like the draft analysts do this for living there like. I think it was Daniel Jeremiah just like heard this then heard that her this inner that is just like, good luck. Good like tomorrow 'cause it's just gonna be wild. I'm excited mean the Bengals best chance to get the best player heard the end of your last chat with ace. There is their only hope is like I've heard that Snyder's taken over the Redskins first round pick in like he goes crazy in froze a couple ones like he did to get RG three, and they get up to three then it all over Devon y Devon Bush. Somebody is gonna slide because you start putting quarterbacks ahead of eleven. And then somebody's gotta be there. Right. So they get lucky in an offense of tackle goes coupla quarterbacks. Go they're going to get a blue chip prospect. They have to be willing to take whoever's they are not just be like any linebacker. We're gonna take so. So I think by now we know a lot of the names that are naked to the Bengals at number eleven Dave lapham brought out a couple of names. I think he said both Jona Williams and Andre Dillard recently are two guys that they look at obviously demolition. We talked about Haskins who are some of the guys that may be floating out there either. If they drop out of the top ten or the guys that are in that top fifteen ish range, maybe a clone Farrell, maybe a a Christian Wilkins. I dunno. Are there some guys that you kinda think, hey, this is a dark horse guy that that fits with the Bengals want what they need what they do. And nobody's really talking about this guy at eleven. I mean, I think we're John Gary scarely fits that mold. But I think the shoulder thing will hopefully save us, and we won't continue to draft for pigs that are injured, but thingy guy John would be on board with Brian burns. I mean, I think burns could be really I mean, he moves like von Miller. If everyone follows Joe in like you watch him at the combine. And then you watch the guys that are those elite edge defenders, that's that's what you're seeing out of him. So, you know, he's a guy that I think might be in better than where he's drafted because I don't think the NFL's is high on him as everybody else. But I think the I mean the Bengals ideal situation is they pretended like they liked Haskins enough Haskins as their eleven they get Washington to give them their third come up. Give Washington I in the sixth Washington gives him a I in the third, and they get back there to fifteen in take whatever offense tackles there in one of the linebackers have to be that happened to be there still they run to the podium. It traded MAC, even if one of the linebackers is there, I think they want that third round pick more than anything. That would be an ideal scenario. And I I am a big fan of burns on the shame that the Bengals haven't shown interest. But barely what they what the plans are. I guess would be to see one of those land back is there, and they love him mentioned the two tackles and Joe Williams in if he's there that he might be the pick. And if he's not there, they're gonna look at ondre Dillard, in your opinion. If both those guys are on the board, if you're the Bengals Tobin, which which of those often cycles are you taking with that? That's tough. 'cause it's it's I wish I know what their plan is if there's plans to three year rebuild on taking Dillard, if it's we're going to actually try to win now on taking journal Williams. I think he's more ready to play. Now he can play anywhere on the line. So Billy price goes down. Somebody like that he can actually play these positions guards, right? Tackle Dillard's pretty much left. Tackle too few. Tommy, it's three rebuild. I want Dillard, I want the chance of getting my left tackle the future. But I can lock up for, you know, ten years or so a reasonable cost when you consider extending him before his rookie contract is over you know, you compile some of that money, and then he might stay because he he's not getting a ton of guarantee, you're upping his average annual value while a lot by those last two years. So I mean, if they tell me we're going to start making some deals if this year goes bad in make three a rebel plan on one Dillard, if they're playing is truly like they think that you know, like we've. Heard is coach speak or not is going to be kept by Taylor. Or is this coach speak that I liked. I mean, I mean part of me wants him to draft Dwayne Haskins out eleven or drew lock or any quarterback because I'm terrified they're going to give Dalton twenty five million dollars mean been RAF is thirty some million today. Can ask for twenty five not the out of market and the Rams can live with that the Bengals can't because they don't spend. So you need someone that can overcome in almost rather. Just get out of mediocrity. QB purgatory by either hitting or missing, right? Take my. Yeah. Talking to Cody to me at Kodi on Twitter, a Bengals Twitter favorite, Cody. You know, you talked about in you, you you talked about the Bengals may be moving back getting extra picks because team wants to come up and get twain hats ins at sort of thing, if you falls to eleven very realistic scenario based on everything that we're hearing. Previously earlier on this episode James repeat was on here. And he laid out a scenario about the Bengals doing the same thing. Moving back collecting picks in packaging, some of them. Either for Josh Rosen, or you know, packaging them maybe moving back up into around. Do you actually see this year as year, especially with like, the twenty eight million six round picks that they've collected? Do you actually see this as a year that the the bangles make a move on that front gate a little more aggressive than they have in years past? If you look at the last couple years they've actually traded more than than the old Bengals last couple years. It moves around a lot. They move down before they took Bates. They've moved up here and there in the middle rounds. So they're not as active in the first drawn as other teams. But after the first round they've been moving around a bit more than they used to move down for mixing. They move down before Jessie Bates. So it would be nice. If they did move back. You could have an extra third round pick that you could hang up there and try to get Rosen with right? So I mean, I've heard nothing that they're involved. I've heard dolphins. I've heard chargers in a couple of. I think the other team is that everyone's kind of saying connected. No bengals. But I mean, how how would that be you moved back from eleven to fifteen you still get your left tackle or right tackle in Williams or Dillard. And then you take that third round pick in in you trade your third round pick for Rosen. So you basically lose nothing move back. Still get your tackle. And get a possible QB upgrade. I mean, that's. Sign me up for that. I don't even care whatever. What else happens in the draft? Yeah. Gimme a linebacker. And we'll be fine. But I don't see them doing it. Yeah. Just usually not in their DNA. We're talking with Cody me, add Koci on Twitter. What we're gonna get you out of here in just a minute here. Cody, I can hear the little guy in the background. So hopefully, everything's being taken care to ask you this. We ran a poll, and we ran a poll on our on our Twitter account. Basically, you know, basically, there's a couple of crazy scenarios that are surrounding the Bengals this time of the year. And I wanted to see what you think is the most likely because this is a team that does not do the splashy things especially on drafted that a lot of other teams do so we basically had four four scenarios. There's trade up in the first round trade away. John Ross for picks trade four Josh Rosen or draft a quarterback in the first round if you were to pick one of those as the most likely scenario, which one would you pick? Trey John Ross, really. Yeah. Okay. I don't I don't agree with it. But I think if we're talking most likely it's I would say probably Ross and draft the QB that they're not going to trade up. And I don't think they're going to trade frozen are well, Cody, we're we're gonna get you out of here, man. We appreciate the time. I know I mentioned a couple times on your on Twitter at Koci enjoy the draft weekend, my friend any quick predictions for what they do at number eleven. Devon, Buscher Jona Williams whoever's there. Okay. All right. We'll take care of that little guy prospects can't lead us. Yeah. That's right. That's right. Take care of that little one, man. We'll we'll get you back on the show soon. Pre she at the time. But I see it. Are those Cody to tie on Twitter, and he's got to go ten to a a sick child right now. So he was he was yes. And then he was maybe then he was yes. Against that. We appreciate his time coming on the show again. This is the orange black insider Bengals podcast. He's John barren. I'm Anthony Kazan's a were rolling through this episode with some of our favorite Bengals people in some of your favorite Bengals people. You can get this show on itunes on Stitcher on Spotify on Google play. You can get it on the megaphone platform as well as YouTube and since he jungled dot com. Johny rating for this when my friend. Yeah. I I don't know if you've had the pleasure. Aging engaging with this with this young man, I was on a previous podcast and people knows on a previous podcast, and it was it was a hell of a lot of fun. And this guy made it so much fun. Mickey Manser also known as at who day fans. It's been forever in a day, my friend how you doing. I'm doing great. It's been a while men. I know you well doing this show trying to trying to figure out what the hell the bangles are doing this year since you, and I have laugh talk. It has been a it is a much different looking team than we we remember in you, remember, I know you had a an rightfully so you had a soft spot for vaunted burbot you knew him. He is now gone Arvin Lewis. I mean you and I talked about more of. Louis for a long long time. He is now gone. So I wanna start off with aside from side from, you know, the draft stuff and all the things that I wanna get your impressions of this Bengals offseason because of the coaching staff change because of what they did in free agency in how they've set themselves up for things in for those of you who are not familiar Mickey is the more positive slash realistic Bengals fan. So I'm really I really wanna hear your your take on things especially things that have happened this offseason. No, you're right. I'm always positive. I think. I think they held onto Lewis too long. Right. I think at most one season, you know, at least one season too long. I kinda wish Hugh had been gone before. But they finally made that change. I think that that was well needed. I think vaunt has birthed while I did have a soft spot. I think he played like the linebackers. You know, all the all did all the way up to the Ray Lewis era. Right. Like, he just wasn't a fit for today's NFL and he became a target and escape goat. You know, if he's on a team that's winning. He's everyone's favourite guy. Right. I still think vaunt has birthed has a statue in Cincinnati. If the Bengals don't screw up that playoff game against the Steelers. Right. He he was a monster. In that game. You know, the pick six if Adam Jones does get the next person foul Steelers don't make that kick. We're probably building a monument because it's our first winning. Yeah. But but no like he because he was never allowed to play. Because he was you know, I mean, I think the the suspension guy for the preseason hit on a fullback against the chiefs, which you see a hidden every NFL game. But for whatever reason that's a four game suspension for him. I think that's the kind of crappy to deal with and it just made him ineffective as a player. Right. So I mean, I think that he's no longer effective. So I don't hate that. We lost him. But do hate that. Now, we have a huge. We don't have a linebacker, right? Like arline linebacker linebacker so weak, and so that stinks. But yeah, I mean the last change I could go on and on. I mean, you know, mentioned the Steelers I know that was one of our favorite conversations look at the trap, therein, right? Their their star running back their their star receiver when you're not winning. You know, they're not the character guys or the class organisation. They think they are so No-ho lots chain. It's pretty it's pretty. Easy while it's yeah. It's I've dropped the ball. I haven't been meaning to have you on the show for longtime. So I've dropped the ball on that. And hopefully, we make it more regular thing than but. It has been quite the change going forward here. I guess you're also for those who do not know Mickey is the issue guy, the hya- state guy. So obviously, there's some high profile buckeyes entering this draft one of which will definitely be out of their reach. We think in Boese, so he's kind of off the table. But I do want to get your opinions as someone who watched quite a bit of buckeyes football Noah lot about these players. I wanna get your opinion on, you know, Dwayne Haskins appears Campbell Terry MacLaurin, some of these guys that could fit with the Bengals do in in who you do think is a guy that could fit with the Bengals do what they need at. What position? I mean. I mean, I think we would all agree. If both happens to be there when the Bengals draft at no brain righties a game charter, but no I think Haskins will be has a potential to be. Decent if oh quarterback. Right. I think of of all the quarterbacks that will have state his turned out in the recent history. I think he's probably the one that may be stacks of the best to a guy that could succeed in the NFL. I mean as far as the other players, you mentioned, I mean, sure, they those those are all nice pieces, but I don't think. I mean, I don't I haven't given much thought to how they would fit in our system in there. So many guys. That I think that you know, I wouldn't stretch just because they're an Ohio State guy. Right. Like, I'm a huge book I fan, but once the NFL like kicks in, you know, once they're out of college like they're just another player to me. I mean, look at Chaisiri in Pittsburgh. Related at all. So I don't know. I mean, if you're asking if I think the Bengals should look at half ins with their first pick. I would say, no, right. And I mean, I've been labeled the Dolton Homer. But I would argue that this seat in particular there's much bigger holes to fill than a quarterback. Right. I'm nervous that they go after a quarterback. And I don't even know that Haskins would be the guy for for, you know, with this new coaching staff looks for I think maybe like a drew lock would be more what they would want. But I I hope we stay away from quarterback. I kinda hope there's a run in the beginning. And I mean, I heard Cody talking before this if the Bengals have the opportunity to pick up another pick and go back a little bit. I think that's probably awesome. I mean, I. For a long time. I've been in the back of my head of had a guy in mind, not who I necessarily want the Bengals pick. But who I think they probably will? And I listened to this whole show I just caught the last little bit. So I don't know people have mentioned it. But I I have a guy who I think they'll go for in it. It's a safe pick in its Bengals picks in it would I think it will really tell me a lot about who's kind of. Pushing these picks in if that makes sense. Yeah. We'll we'll get to that. Just a second John. Yes. So you talked a little bit about Bertha CT, and we'll be all loved about him. When he was competent wasn't just because he was the best linebacker, but he was kind of the identity of the defense and just so happens that in this draft, the top two linebackers are not only athletic freaks can defend the runners as drawback encourage, but they can they can kind of come onto the NFL team bringing identity defense kind of kind of become that leader in the locker room. And that's something that you know, along with losing birth. What his Bill used to be they're losing that kind of leader. So if either a wider Bush's there is that need per has over maybe maybe a a position it has a little bit more value like a passer often stack on your in your mind. I think so I mean, I think the are most glaring weakness last season was linebacker, right? Like are. We have a we had last season. Particularly at a ton of talent on the front of the defense. But without that supporting cast behind them. It was really just a gaping weakness we couldn't cover tight end. I mean, that's been a Bengals issue forever. But I mean, I think yes, you have the opportunity to take away Bush. I'd run to the podium money. Probably either one of those guys I think. Talk with Mickey Mets are at who day fans on Twitter and a longtime Bengals podcast her Bengals tailgate champion to remember you at iota sweet tailgate buzz you ever get rid of that their or died high. It his said that was yeah. That was epic man. Yeah. But talking Mickey mentor, and it's it's great to have him back in and talking Bengals football with him. You know, before we get to the guy you said you had in mind for the Bengals at number eleven or first round if they moved back a couple of spots, or what what the scenario may be. You know, I think we know now offensive line is we look at the biggest needs whether it's right now or a year down the road or what the Bengals didn't do this off season. So you look at offense of line potentially defense of line. And that's interior an edge rushers and linebacker. Those are kind of the biggies that everybody looks at for those top picks potentially. Some people are talking quarterback. You know that you can go either way on that. What's a position you think that nobody's really talking about that the team could the team needs more than than I guess to use the transformers phrase more than she. I you know, I mean, there's there there are some other position groups that may be. Need some restocking there's questions in terms of long term viability? So, you know, what do you what do you see as maybe something that needs to be tinkered with earlier than most expect yet? I mean in the first round, I think the big ones, you you said are it's gonna be one of those picks. But you asked Cody a question about you know, what to do at receiver and member member we always had Hobson on. And he always say you'll always take a receiver to in the draft. Right. Yours restock or get something. Aaron I think that's a position that would show weakness. If you face I mean, half the Bengals team was into last year. But it really hurt them when you know, we we didn't have pass catching options. I mean. And so I think a late in a later round third fourth fifth on maybe a receiver income to make a difference. I mean, I'm still not a John Ross fan. I still don't know. I think the. Hi is more. He's the Homer Bailey of the Bengals right? Like all. Oh, man. Look the what do you have like four catches for four touchdowns. But I mean, he's he's never really lived up what he can eat. He's the fastest guy on the planet and can't beat a db on on a streak. So like, I struggle with that. Maybe he puts together. I don't know. I think we root for him. Like we did with Homer Bailey. Right. He was always just a couple of games away from getting done. So I don't know. I think receiver is something that I love to see them finding impact at and you never know where they come from like. I think they've done well with late around picks on receivers. With Mickey Metzer at who they fans on Twitter. So let's let's let's have unveiled this who's who's the person you're saying is good one at at number eleven or in the first round for the Bengals. I mean, I wouldn't say a good one. I I have a gut feeling the Bengals go Cody Ford. Right. I have I I don't know that I wouldn't make that pick. But he seems like the type of molar on the line that the Bengals would go for. I mean, I'm also have that you know, sweat from Mississippi State. I think is another option. But really, I mean what I hope for is what you guys I mean, I don't think there's a chance for Devon white. But I'd love if they go for Devon Bush, and that's a Michigan guy. But I really think he gives the biggest the biggest impact on our defense from what's available in the first round. So I don't know if anyone mentioned Ford, but that's my gut feeling for a while. Now. Now, you know what they didn't. And obviously he was the guy that they looked at while they looked at them. But they he's a guy that has been constantly mocked to them in the early mock draft and things kind of change a little bit. But I think that's actually a very astute observation on. With four because he is a guy that is is versatile. He's a guy that can play multiple visions liked to have offense of Wyman that have that positional flexibility. But yeah, that's that's gonna be interesting to see if they if they do that Mickey wanna hang around for a few more minutes for a couple more listener questions absolutely are cooled. We're talking with Mickey Mets are at who fans. And of course, my co host John Sharon is year. We've talked with Cody Tumi at co decay on Twitter, James repeat of ninety two three the fan in Cleveland. And we've also talked with as boogie of new stripe city. It has been a jampacked show with a lot of cool guests and a lot of fun and Mickey were stoked to you're able to join us, man. We did get this Email, and I'll start with you, John. In. It's about will Greer the West Virginia quarterback last year. Basically pro football focus was high on Baker Mayfield. And. Basically most people. Wondered if Sam darnold would have been the better pick this year Greer is considered the better pro football focus guy over Cuyler Murray. According to our listener haired, any thoughts on on that in the viability of him landing with. Yeah. Think PF had Cuyler at one of owner born. But I thought that's what I I don't. I don't regret Greer's is three. And I that's why would as well over drew lock over Dana just because he did produce it at a high level, western I know people kind of knocked the big twelve defensive he went up against but still productions there in this indicative of potentially high quality player the only knock on him release as twenty four years old. It's kinda hard for e even for quarterbacks Quebec's coming to the league an older age have have a little bit of disadvantaged. But there's talk about him being the fifth quarterback off board potentially sneaking into the first round team. Who was the playoffs last year me between training back up into the first round? I don't think the Bengals do that. But if he's there the forty second overall pick I do think that he might become into the conversation. That's probably when the Bengals I start actually looking at drafting a quarterback, it would all depend. If if Greer is the type of guy that you know, that Zack Taylor wants to kinda build around going going forward in the various behind holy backup to to the next coming years. Mickey any thoughts on Andrea. I don't know how much you watched him. But any thoughts on him amid a little, and I think if you're. If you're truly picking a guy that you want to continue to develop that's a possibility. And I think that I think that that's the probably the smart way to go about it. Right. Unless you had a can't miss prospect in the top of the draft in picking someone in the second. Maybe even the third that you can give time to mentor. I think is the new model, although he's always if the Bengals aren't winning. He'll be the most popular guy on the bench kinda like we've seen in the past with backup quarterback. But I I could see that as a possibility. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting guy, you know, kinda a gunslinger guy, he's got he's got the Slager. I do have to say this. I don't it was from Hamad Al Amarah who sent us Eddie Mellon. I didn't do him Justice because he did. I miss read. It's this this year will Greer West Virginia quarterback is considered very high on the pro football focus board after Cuyler Marie. So I didn't I miss that. He did have that. Correct. And you're correct on that too. John. And so interesting prospect, maybe a guy who's a night to guy. I don't I don't think he sneaks into the first round. But maybe a, you know, a high pick high second round pick third round pick type a guy, you know, in in could be interested there, we do have a call on the line. It's from one of our regular listeners to rela Terrell how you by what's on your mind. I have excellent is disavow tonight. I gotta say that. We've we tried. We tried to put together an all star line-up. So we there's a big weekend ahead. We've got we had some cool gas and people I haven't talked to for a while. And that's shame on me. So we're we're stoked about tonight. And hopefully, you've enjoyed it. No. Range. I really want to say nobody way Berkshire sake around her hag go back office in my own cigarette on the first round, whatever. And I jump bona Gile. John rouse, beige and other thinking style, I tentative and I know out of office coordinator, Kellyanne about one. I am. But I'll think I can't believe with though the bread over me from heighten receivers, I think Jalen Hurd, J J J from Stanford even allowed carton in third or fourth round Sanders from Penn State, and I literally just the schedule and it's gathering beatable this play tight schedule. This guy was easy. I mean, I know paper but in the print. Yeah. I mean, I think they got a little bit of an easy draw from from them just really not being very good the past couple of years, but in terms of the records, they got kind of the weaker schedule. But you know, there are some tough stretches in there. And obviously they have to go to London and thanks again fell for taking a game away from the from loss. I can't go. But. Yeah. I mean, there's there's some easy patches in their thanks for calling throughout we're gonna we're gonna get you off the air. And we'll we'll talk about some things you talked about. Thanks for calling him in. So Mickey I wanna ask you this because you are a bit more optimistic than some Bengals fans here. And we didn't talk about the schedule your what do you think about the schedule my colleague, John put up a schedule prediction on since you said ninety seven right? John is on the high end of optimism for me here. Okay. John had potentially may be vying for wildcard, I believe is what you had their John Nikki, I know it's so early, and I know there's a whole crop of talent that's going to be brought in by the team this weekend. How do you see how do you see them early on plan plan out with? Yeah. I like the the nine seven call right? Like, I think you're veer pretty optimistic. If you think this is a ten team. But I don't know like I think our divisions going to be down. I think I mean, I'm my fingers crossed that the Steelers just live in the basement for a little bit. And there's there's potential for that this year, right? Like robbers is not going to be the type of quarterback that ages gracefully like he's going to play. And then he's just going to be terrible. And this is the end of them. I'm kind of hoping that's this year. I think I think the Browns are gonna Browns it up, right? Like, they they've done a lot of things, but they're going to Cleveland it up. Somehow. I I'm not a Mayfield guy. Don't think there's a lot of smoke and mirrors think that he's going to struggle. So I think we'll be in in the running for the division with nine wins. I think ten wins. Probably takes the division easily. So yeah, I like the nine seven call. Yeah. I mean, I think that's that's optimisic. But but also it can be realistic. Obviously they need to be healthier need to play a little bit better going forward. We have another call. We're going to get to just a second. But John I wanted to ask you this because we asked Cody this question, but I didn't get your take. We did put this up on our Twitter account. In terms of the the unlikely scenarios in in just for those who did vote in basically there's four draught scenarios. We put up trade up in the first round trade away. John Ross trade four Josh Rosen or draft a quarterback in the first round. Again. This isn't a team that does a lot of splashy things or kind of crazy moves especially recently, but seventeen percents trade up in the first round eighteen percents at trade away. John Ross sixteen percents said trade for Josh Rosen in forty eight percent said draft a quarterback in the first round. Where do you sit on that Twitter poll, John, so I don't think the drafting quarterback lists name is Carla Murray, a model the interest in Haskins was real I think we've kind of realized that as we enter this week. I only trained on Rosca think they've already told him that. I think they're gonna commit to him for lease another year. And this team doesn't trade in the first round under how many Jeff have. So by the fault of the only somewhat in this galaxy reason ability is trade for Justice in. It's only if. If the cardinals can find the press looking forward in it becomes even more more feasible than than we even believe it is. So maybe if they can't get a third round pick. Maybe the Bengals would go into the forefront picture just at least get a quarterback because we know they're gonna draft one somewhere it probably on day three if they can get him for like a forefront fake, maybe like a future third anything like that. I think that's probably the most likely all I still don't believe it's going to happen because they're gonna get a second or third pick for him. I think he's on the way Zona don't think is going to be on Cincinnati. But out of those four options that would be the most likely, I guess. Yeah. Interesting to see what what kind of price. It would take Rosen to get there. To be had it, you know, if the carnal finally play their hand, you know, I mean this. Build it build up, you know, and get as much draft collaterals possible. And then if they make the pick and all of a sudden, it would it would seem that the price would drop, but we'll see we've got one more call on the line. And it's from Spencer who's calling in Spencer. What was going on man? Just I had a quick propositions or best case scenario advan goals. Just wondering you guys have an awesome shows this point. Yes. So I really I love Devon Bush at eleven, but I do think there is value in people brought up the idea that Dwayne half consoles, and this is speculatory 'cause we ask him false where revenue in Washington that hungry. I agree. We trade back to fifteen ticket third rounder. But instead of packaging for Rosen. I would say trait that third round pick you get from Washington for Garin leave from the New York Jets. And then maybe maybe maybe double dip in the third round. Maybe go with a. Third round if you will round pick for in the actual pick for a linebacker, and maybe still getting an offense tackle, or maybe even if someone else falls, but you know, but that was my basic idea trading, the fairground picture and Lee from Washington when you move back fifteen that's an interesting interesting proposition and will will take it off the air. Thanks for calling in spins or enjoy draft weekend, buddy. Thank you. That's really interesting in. Unfortunately, our last guest there. Mickey mentzer had had to get out of here. We keep them longer than I had asked him to be on. But we are we're stoked to have him. Stay for for a few minutes longer. But there's only state players all over that traits. That's why I wanted to. I wanted to get Mickey's take on that. But first of all thanks to Mickey mentzer for for showing up in and bringing bringing the knowledge of missing, Nikki will will get you back on the show man, John what I like about that. Now daringly is kind of been up and down. Right. I mean, there's been a lot of ups of downs. I think some of it was wasn't. He busted for like, a PD thing or something. Gordon, plus here for in the you know, he's had a couple of big plays. But he hasn't really. Broken out as a a stud linebacker in the league. Especially in defence a jets defense as lot good defensive players has had good defensive players in his time there. So, you know, I think the trade makes what how it also makes sense is again the Bengals like to open up their draft option. So if they do trade for linebacker a lot of things make sense it opens up the draft. It's a former high pick. They can get on the cheap all that kind of stuff. But your thoughts on daringly the player fit with the Bengals in if the values even there for a trade that Spencer laid out there. I would I would like the Bengals trae for daring Li but if they traded for third on pick for early they lost their morals. There was talking about going for maybe six or seven for pick. Because he had this is the first round pick after three years the NFL has on the chopping block for defensive is still struggling in terms of their in terms of that part of the field. So he's on the way out. And he's not lived up to the first round hype. Do you have to think about what other good players actually go for insurance rates now every once in a while there's a clue MAG type deal where multiple for stroke. I is a Frank Clark type dealers. First round the second round pick involve, but for the most part NFO players are pretty damn expendable in in terms of actual trae capital teams are really, you know, stingy about holding onto their top one hundred picks. If you give up a top her picture Lee hu Lee is right now. Instead of was coming back coming into the felt I don't understand the value in that I would still like six room picture daringly because I think that would take that because they still haven't been able to find the deal for him. If the offer third picking nowhere blue offering the compensation for Josh Rosen as your daringly. I'm not exactly sure about that. But in general with the whole scenario people are talking about the Bengals using that extra third round pick to acquire someone via trade if they were to trade back. They would hold onto that pig. But then later on the draft. Maybe they use a couple of picks move back into the fifth round. Because. Looking at the cursor is right now seventy players and they typically like to go sign about ten to ten to twelve undrafted. Guys. You're thinking ten to eight draft picks. Probably the couple range of what they're going to finish up. Do you think they don't end up the Levin? But if they do treat back in the first pick up extra round pick. I think they hang onto that and looked to move up later in the drive with one of the Trump picks. Yeah, they like those those day to picks a second second writers, they like to hang onto those in use them, and sometimes it workout sometimes they don't so. Yeah. I don't know that they would it would need to be for player. They really covet to get to get them to part with one of those. But I think I would have to make a trade back to acquire some. But they daringly is that we we haven't talked about for while that could have been linked to when the first trade. Rumors came out. That's that someone that was linked to the bangles in, you know, loosely linked to the Bengals in really nothing's happened. He hasn't been moved. So. Maybe there's maybe there's a deal that it'd be struck. We'll see but interesting stuff from Spencer there. Well, John we're going to we're going to close up. We win a tiny bit longer than I than I expected and and spun through this. Boom, boom, boom. We had for those of you. If you're just joining us, we had James routine of ninety two three the fan in Cleveland, formerly of ESPN Cincinnati joined the program that was awesome talking to tiny bit of Browns and the bangles with him. We at as boogie kind of talking about his prime metrics that he came up with very cool conversation there there is a little bit of choppiness audio choppiness there. But I, you know, I think for the most part it was relatively clean. We got everything that we everything from him. And that was a really really cool conversation. Look forward to having him back on the program. It's been long overdue. We've had him. We had Cody to me he's been on this program. Couple times before it's good. Having him back on giving his insight on the draft. And some of the players that could be linked to the Bengals. And of course, my old friend Mickey mentzer from a previous Bengals podcast at who fans on Twitter. Awesome guy, and it was good. Having him talking about the Bengals bring a little more optimism about the club than. Where we're used to around these parts, I guess, but it's good. It's good to have him on. I don't know about you. John is fun show for me said we kind of whip through it. Yeah. Perfect timing to assemble all star cast is vendors comes out tomorrow. This is. The premier group of of all sorts the will become into your mediate instead of the vendors. So great timing for that. Yeah. This draft in everybody's got an opinion. So I'm glad we had all this guy's on any any last thoughts from you about the draft as we head into this weekend. Anything you haven't it? Whether it's a bold or anything you want to throw out there before we dive into everything this weekend, I'm dangerously confident in hated because this is the draft in the Bengals normally we can't really have nice things in the first round. But I'm pretty confident about what the board looks like at the moment and. I'm optimistic. I'm cautiously optimistic that they're going to find a very good player at eleven. We just have to hope that they take him and not play a bus for years. Okay. All right. Yeah. You know? I guess one thing we just did our knock draft last week. And I waited in mine, by the way, I did you see the poll of cincy jungle dot com of how many how many more people liked your mock draft over mine, you're you're a you're. After meaning crow now because we just did the the mock with me, Patrick Judas, and that Minhaj and more people would trust Mike Brown over me. So I don't I don't know where the loyalty lies with the cincy Jong readers, but it's not very consistent. Last. I saw I was given trying polled up. It's it's a little bit down the pecking order now, but. Last. I saw gosh it was about forty some percent. You're you were beating me I had about twenty seven percent of the votes in, you know. But a lot of people did like both of our mock draft. So I guess you know, I can take stock in that. And then there's a handful people that just, you know, didn't like any either of them, but we did our mock draft last week in of course, I went kind of defense early offense with with the later rounds in the five round deal. I don't know the more as we get closer to it. I do think guy like Jona jonelle Williams makes a lot of sense for the team, and you know, he fit as a profile that the team likes big school. Maybe could start out. It could give you a little guard flexibility can play either tackle spot that sort of thing for me. I just I'm starting to wonder if he's if he's maybe more the pig, and maybe headed a little bit to do with Dave lapham mentioning his name recently that makes sense to me. So we'll see we'll see what happens at number eleven going forward. We do have a a little bit of an announcement. A couple tentatively. I'm going to try and. We will try and schedule another episode like this after the draft shortly after the draft whether it's the week after or maybe two weeks after but get a bunch of people in the in the program haven't decided exactly who yet. But we might do this little round table thing where we Spitfire through a number of quality guests, whether that's you know, some Espy nation folks from the from the teams in the Bengals division. We might do some other Bengals Twitter folks, you know, I've got some other people that lined up that we can bring on either for the first time or again, so. I think this was a cool episode, and I'd like to do this again to get a lot of different takes on the Bengals draft hall. So what will probably be be bringing that to you coming forward here. And then quickly. I did we did get confirmation from Willie Anderson Bengals offense of tackle that he is willing to come back on the show. We had him on late last. I think it was right before the season started. He was in September. We had him on. So I haven't said a time yet. But he is definitely willing to come back on the show. I'm hoping that it'll be shortly after the Bengals draft and if the Bengals draft offense of wine, we can get his take obviously on that pick. So pretty excited to have willy Anderson back on the program will definitely be promoting that win. We have a date set. But for now, it's going to be in the near future. And that's about as clear as I can be. But he is interested in coming back on the show. So I'm pretty excited about that. John effort varies legend. Maybe. 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The French Revolutionary Calendar (Entry 500.EX1202)

Omnibus! With Ken Jennings and John Roderick

1:03:09 hr | 1 year ago

The French Revolutionary Calendar (Entry 500.EX1202)

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We began this monumental reference of strange, and obscure human knowledge, these recordings represent our attempt to compile and preserve wonders esoterica that would otherwise be lost. So whether you're listening in from an advanced civilization or just reinvented the technology to decrypt our transmissions. This is our legacy to you. This is our time capsule. This is the bus. You have accessed entry five zero zero dot e x one 202 certificate number four four two seven zero. The French revolutionary calendar quite late. We sacrificed on person. Now the earth will be destroyed after the thirteenth block tune. Let's see I converted to based Tam assuming boy lead them. Jeez. Us invent. And then carry the leave years imply and the world will end in two thousand twelve. Earned. It will be Obama's fault. First of all if any kind of pedantry exists in the far future, which I assume it will not know that's gotta get bread out of the species or whatever species who is going to. I mean, hopefully, there's not an internet where people can interject their comment about how you got the car license plate. I'm certainly you're less likely to reproduce. If you're always saying things like you said less. You mean, fewer, right. I mean, you're you're pretty much out of the, gene pool. The first time you pull that in a grocery checkout line any circumstance where you say actually is going to decrease your chances to spread your gene I got actually about jeopardy yesterday. And I really thought what more do I have to do on this quiz show to knock it actually about it. What was the actually it was I credited a specific jeopardy champion with a certain level of greatness. And it was actually that. Actually, it was another guy who we should be. Appreciating icy? I get actually on my friendly fire podcast all the time about I'll make some search in that Churchill did a thing or that the battle of the bulge with a certain way. And boy it attracts. I mean war podcasts attract actually's, they're thick on the ground. I would assume that actually the less actually that in reality, you go ahead and tell me what you assume the less important thing like the more obsessive the corrections. Yeah. For sure there are people out there that are watching war movies and saying that is a later interational of that gun. Right. You know, I can tell from the sites the pedantic objection here to the title would be the calendar. The new calendar introduced at the French revolution was never called the French revolutionary calendar. Even though that's what it's commonly known as what was it called at the time. They would have just called the the new calendar. It's like it's like going to a Chinese restaurant in Beijing. It's just called the restaurant. I think they would have said I think typically. It's more accurately the French Republican calendar because it came with the creation of the new Republic. Not with the beginning of the revolution in the streets. So we see calendars change quite a bit depending on who the rulers are. And obviously, there's a Chinese calendar. And there's a there other calendars still in existence the Jewish calendar Muslim calendar using different datings for years in the west we've been weirdly stable calendar wise, I mean, the switchover from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar is actually kind of a series of minor tweaks, but the calendar was just finding even the Julian calendar is just a series of minor tweaks over what the Greeks used. So our general idea of how our calendar works in our time three hundred sixty odd days of twelve months seven day weeks, thirty day, months, more or less. Yes. With some corrections. Right. So then and then and then a weird February right because no number of whole number days is going to act. Keep up with how long it takes the earth go around the sun because there's a fraction there. But why aren't why don't we have two months of one hundred eighty two and a half daisy. What is that your new system? John Aaron can you? I mean, maybe as the magnetic pole changes and the earth starts orbiting the sun, faster, and faster and faster. Well, first of all our hair will all blowback. Well, we'll look like Ed grimly. No. I mean, why are why are two of the thirty one month days not thirty month days. So that February could also be thirty month day. Yeah. So you've got weird kind of cultural relics going back in our calendar. And it really is because it's super ancient like the Babylonians came up with a seven day week. So we still do it. There must be something inherent as we talked about in. The indigo entry something inherent to the number seven because even in far-flung, ancient China and Japan people seem to like a seven day week, maybe because of the seven objects in the heavens, you know, to this day we have Sunday and moon day and Saturn day. So even the seven day week, which is not tied to any astronaut constant seems to be pretty constant because it doesn't line up with the lunar. Month. Right. Balloon amount would be about twenty eight days. But you would assume that that would be the that would be the basis right at lunar month. That's the problem you start with twelve twenty eight days, and then the math is not workout right for four year. At that point. You're, you know, twenty days short or something. Right. So either what he wanted new shortened month, you wanna make them out little longer. And this is where you can start to get into some arguments. I'd like one short month. What would you do with shorter month? We do have one month we have February. All right, but a lot shorter month like a twenty day month. Are you saying you want black history must've even shortage on the sun? Okay. No. I'm saying I want a party month. Right. What if there's an entire month short month that call it or short mo-, it's called Venga bus venue? They just play that Venga boys song over and over all month long. It would be a month where nothing like every nobody worked. It would just be the best month. They have that in Europe. Mid to late August, we don't have here. Go to any empty European city at the end of the summer, right? They're all in aldars. Yeah. That seems like a better arrangement like make it a strict lunar calendar, and then have a party month. Well, a lot of the things we think of as kind of constants in our calendar, including the weekend are actually kind of a new arrangement the weekends like a nineteenth century or early twentieth. Yeah. I think early nineteenth didn't bid certainly not spread to America for fifty one hundred years. But yeah, I think in the early nineteenth century the early days of the industrial revolution. That's the first time. People were like, you know, my my job at the loom sucks now I could really use an extra day I could really use two days in a row off because you always had Sunday until then you always had your Sabbath, whatever that was in your horse or Saturday. Right. And in fact, that's a big reason why the French revolutionaries wanted to change the calendar. They thought our current calendar, which we think probably it's pretty secular as just dripping with Jesus all like they saw God all over the calendar. But there's a lot more Roman in it than than. Christian. That's true. And they objected to that too know one of the reasons why you want new names for months because January is named for the God Janus and July is named for a an absolute monarch. So as August. So if you really trying to purify the calendar Soviet style, right? You really did get into some of these name, your emphasizing liberty and gala Tei. There was a lot of anti clerical feeling bound up in the French revolution. Because of the circumstances that led to it Francis. And allows the economic state and the king is forced to convene the estates general to figure out a way out the estates general is kind of like a legislature. But it's kind of a scam because there are three different groups you get one for the nobility one for the clergy and one for the commoners and the communist were like, oh boy this rules. And then they realized the clergy and the nobility pretty much. Always have the same interests and vote together and there were only fourteen hundred clergy entire country. So so hundreds of thousands of commoners are like, wait a second. And so they were unable to get any of their reform. Forms past. And in addition to this you have the rise of kind of an intellectual enlightenment class who was kind of personally offended that the French way of life, and in particular, the calendar is not a scientific as it could be. And this is why the French revolution also has moved towards decimalization metrication is that a word metrification mattress syphilis -cation met. Maybe it has metrification that actually seems right? Yeah. I thought you were doing a bit, but not advocate on what's your station. So all the distances start to become Colomiers. And this is also a secularist thinking that reason and science should have sway over the old traditions, the old traditions, of course, are also bound up with the regime, and you know, this is the temperatures we're using when the king was in. Right. Like, this is a new age. Why would we be using his crappy archers we don't we don't have kingly temperatures. We have temperatures of the people. You know, the revolution was all about up stripping the power of the clergy for modern life. The peasants had had. Enough. So you see the Jacqueline's rededicating cathedrals as temples of reason. For example, today do during the French revolution. Did they do the very popular thing during a revolution? Where they stormed the churches and burned all the icons and desecrated them or were. They much more were they conscious of those things as also having art history. Yeah. I don't think the dechristianization of France was particularly Stalinist. Right. You know, they wanted to have DA enlightened restrained Diest services in in their in their churches instead of Catholic mass, right? They didn't eliminate God entirely. They just eliminated the church they want a more logical Vulcan God. Well, and like a lot of these attempts by a revolutionary culture to reform the Shona resume as he's all. Backward. Math. Backwards. Are you're going to be like more than you are. Worship Jesus than your churches. But they, you know, they tried to establish price controls on food, which created instability, and the finan-, you know, they eliminated private property in some cases that on the plus side, they eliminated slavery in the French colonies. But they did they oh what it was. I guess was that they eliminated a lot of debt. They reformed the economic systems, and they was kind of like fight club scenario. They just blew up all the banks. We don't have time for your anti Bernie Sanders tyrant. In the century, John? I'm sorry that he wants to get rid of college debt. But anyway, it created like crazy, run, instability and. Yeah. And then happened with the dechristianization the it turned out that massive numbers of Frenchman just wanted to go to mass, right? So a lot of this stuff doesn't really take. But the calendar they kind of stick with a few years before the revolution of fringe eight theistic thinker in SAS named Sylvan Marhsall had proposed a one hundred percent secular calendar he wanted to keep Christmas. So here's his genius idea. He realizes that Isaac Newton was born on December twenty fifth so twenty-fifth becomes Isaac. Newton's birthday, it really it's Mary Newton. Imagine imagine, the Starbucks cups. That's wonderful. Yeah. I guess you have apples instead of eggnog insider and fruitcake. So what was the what was the theme of the calendar? How did it work? How is it different from our past and present calendar? Right. So this turns out to be the most determined attempt in the west to overthrow the calendar that we have seen in thousands of years because the government really throws its weight behind it convenes. This blue ribbon panel of scientists not just scientists mathematicians, but poets and playwrights to think about how do we put the spirit of love France into the calendar? Oh, it's a velvet revolution. Essentially, no way to just rewind. Are you saying Bernie Sanders doesn't want a new calendar? I haven't read all the way into his platform. Yeah. Bernie Sanders wants an eighteen month calendar each month is named for a different Ben and Jerry's flavor. Oh, it's happy birthday. It's the film of Jerry's girls. Who keep them? In this case. So the scientists and mathematician, decide fairly quickly that the main thing you need to do is get rid of the Sabbath. Sure. So there's a lot of God in this calendar, but you don't want to get rid of one day off. Right. You just want to you're going to have people mad if you get rid of one day off, and this kind of becomes the core of one of the problems with the calendar, but they go to ten day weeks. Because then if you stick with the seven day week, even if the Sabbath is not there people will be like, wink, wink, this the Sabbath. Right. So you really have to from the ground up. You have to pull out the roots of it and say, guess, what months are no longer four to four and a half weeks so three ten day weeks, which they called de Qods. And you as you know is the magic number is ten not the magic number for for enlightened French revolutionary threes. The magic number. Yes. It is. They didn't know that a man and a woman had a little baby. So they use the magic number of months, and they get rid of the days of the week. So there are no longer days named after false gods. Like Thor and tear and Saturn is just day one. On day to day that eventually is primarily due Oti treaty. It is the first day of the second day the third day. So you you really be like thank God. It's eighth day. Don't say thank God. That's right. Right. He r I n thank Robespierre. It's known meaty. And you really would be like is today a fifth day. It feels like a six data me is it really a fifty. It's only a fifth day. Yeah. So how many days off where they're an attendee week. So you get your tenth day off your destiny is the day off. And it's a day of it's not a religious festival, but it's a day for the people or whatever there's also I think a half day off midway, you know, you get kind of a half day on Wednesday. So the ratio is not bad. They're still getting about a full day every seven days off, right big. They actually get one half day extra. That is correct. Right. Excellent math skills, but it's still not a huge hit. I think you know, because there's if if what you want is the full day off there's a lot longer between full days off or and I feel like just a morning off. You're gonna fill thing about you're going to fill it with errands. Your boss is going to say, I know. But can you come in? I would sleep in it. It's just three hours at right? Exactly you wake up and the the day is gone. Did it great against? I mean as a musician. Right. We we have a is this the point of view, we need to look at this from the word of the Dirac. There is something. There is something perfect about a three minute pop song as we've tried to have four minute pop songs. There's something about three minutes that is as much as the mind can take in pop song terms or as much as it. Once. It's kind of like Leonardo's ratios. You see it in movies and TV as well about an hour and a half to two hours feels pretty good minutes long as great and two two and a half hours is two months seasons used to be twenty two to twenty six hours. And now, we realized that's just crazy. That was only for commercial reasons to tell a story you maybe want eight to eleven of these. So yeah, there does seem to be a perfect aesthetic of how long things should be. And is that also true of weeks did people just instinctively start to get antsy around said Tian de well, these are all people that would have come up with normal weeks. So it's hard to say, maybe a new baby would not be like sweets is this week feel long to you as we kills long to me. But for people who had had a seven day week kind of built around the rituals of the Sabbath. This was seemed like a hard sell. Yeah. And of course, that gives you only thirty days a month. It's a three hundred and sixty day year that that gives you astronomical problems. Now, why wouldn't they do sick? Six five day weeks because I think people would really jump on that bandwagon like, oh, whoa. It's it's five days more days off. Yeah. Rather could've sweetened the pot. Sweep the sweeten the pot a little bit and a five five feels just as even as as ten although it's off your thinking, like a politician, you're thinking, how do I sell my program? I think I think they needed you. Yes. Well, so many your ancestors Jean-Baptiste rotary so many past regimes needed me. That's that's your takeaways. You read history. Let's hope that we also need me. Don't forget to buy John's history bestseller look at these bozos where she considers every period of history. That did not have his insights. I'm sitting in painting, my Ronin and knowing full, well, I could have done a better job. So if you have three hundred sixty day years, obviously, you're gonna start to fall behind the procession of the seasons pretty quick, and they seize on a thing, which is pretty much. What the engine Egyptians did? I think the ancient Egyptians also had, you know, thirty day months with some leftover so they would have five or six kind of festival days at the. The end of the this is your this is your short month or month. It's a much shorter month. This is John John ury short month. They would call them the fund these five or six extra days at the end of every year the songs Kula teeths name for the without the Kula teens. Yeah. People who don't have any Kuwaitis. The lots were the it just means that the pants Louis, basically the of corn then without breaches. These were the kind of the men without hats except without without has put upside down. It's a very very unsafe dance. They're doing these were this is just the name for the urban lower class Parisians who were really the heart and soul of the revolution. Today, really not have pants. They were just flapping around. I've I've seen those paintings of the revolution. That one girl doesn't have a blouse that staged close everybody else pants on. That's not history cleans it out there. Like, we can't have these Parisians out in the street flopping around that will have these guillotine is around. Ouch. No. I think they didn't have a particular kind of the breaches the upper class will they're just wearing what? Ever the cheaper peasant version of that is pajama bottoms sweats. No, I bet they're made out of jute or something really uncomfortable. They're still wearing their juice passed down from father to son. You know, what I'd like to John? You know, what's fun for me told me taking a high interest credit card and paying it off and getting a lower rate somewhere else to save money. Do you know of any way, I could do that that does sound fun? And you know, what you're looking for is a credit card consolidation loan. From light stream you can get a fixed rate as low as six point one four percent APR with auto pay. I understand they're a division of SunTrust Bank. One of the nation's largest financial institutions was really really makes me trust them. Well, you can get a loan from five thousand one hundred thousand dollars, and there are no fee. Is there a way you could incentivize listeners of this podcast specifically to try this out well listeners to omnibus get an additional interest rate discount, but the only way to get this discount is to go to light stream dot com slash omnibus. What do you mean? L I G H T S T R E A, M dot com slash omnibus. That's right. Ken. Subject to credit approval rate includes a point five zero percent auto pay discount. Terms and conditions apply. An offer subject to change without notice. Visit lights dream dot com slash on the bus for more information. So these you six extra days salute the common man, these are the sons Kula teeths five most years, the Lasek steal the six on years when they need to catch up which is once every four years or every Francia in the thought of everything if they have a new patriotic for everything it's not actually clear in the law how they're going to compute when to do one of these sex deals out because they're eliminating Christmas. Are they also eliminating new year where we normally put New Year's day. They move New Year's and I'll get to that in a second. But the idea of when you add your sixty or is it really just you do it every four years like we were doing it in the past or do you wait until the equinox is now falling on the wrong day, and you need to move it back right which could be four or five depending on how long it happened. So the law was never clear and spoilers. They never got didn't get that far. I have not had to work this out for hundreds of years. So like a calendar that work in the short term would have been just fine. It turns out as for your. Oh, MD and each day of the sounds cool has the different fem-. It's kind of like kwanza. Yeah. The first each one is a different set of feast or a celebration, and I it's the feast of virtue, but the rest are not actually based on personal attributes like you'd think it would be leader today golladay. But in fact, it's like different axes. I think of how you would want to measure the greatness of French revolutionary, you know, there's the feast of virtue. But then there's the feast of talent the feast of labor the feast of convictions, these things are not parallel at all. No. But let me just say, I think the feast of virtue would be the most boring boring feasts, our sure, but you gotta wait. Because tomorrow the feast of talent is coming. That's when the Lipson coming of that seems like the jazzy. The feast of awards weirdly o-, so it's just like Hanin Luca walkup get a get a medal chewy doesn't get a medal day here in the French revolution. I assume that would be a day maybe for the granting of yearly honours by the state and then finally creating an elite class. No, nobody gets the same honors all pigs are the same except for Wookey. And then the six day would be the feast of revolution. Which really means. They couldn't think of another thing. I think those little seem a little sketchy considering all the blue ribbon talented enlisted shot hurled around the world. It was the feast of the revolution. So you asked about when the new year would come. And this was very tricky you stick with January first, which seems kind of I mean, it could be science because it's kind of solstice based you know, why not? But the thing is why not just start it on December twenty first or what you know started on the equal. Right. So that's what they end up. That's what they ended up thinking. But. But the question then becomes do. We backdate this to the beginning of the revolution like July fourteenth or whatever the day. We took Louis king Louis into into Kaz. Right. You want to this is a revolutionary calendar. So it's year one year two, right? Okay. They absolutely do that. Yes. They start with year one again. Because again, the years are full of Jesus, right? You can't be this many years since the messiah was born. If you're like, actually, we're a little too smart for that mumbo jumbo now. But if you started the new year on the he knocks Isaac Newton's birthday would come up immediate would come up during the piste days, and that seems like a you're being robbed. It's Isaac Newton is being robbed. There's no nobody. There's no way people are going to buy him to presents Isaac Newton there on it's like feast of Labor Day, come on Isaac flooring. Like, we just gave you a New Year's present Ford is ago. There's no way we're also getting you of Christmas birthday present. Now. Here's a question for you. Because if I were in charge of the revolutionary calendar, I would put the four to whatever. Four to six days. Yeah. I'd put them at the summer equinox. Because isn't that where you want your days off your extra time? You don't want your days often darkest time of year, you want like to be able to frolic. Well, here's what these geniuses. Did. So your suggestions are absolutely right. Don't put the extra days in the data winter start at a scientific date. They decide to start on September twenty second seventeen ninety three with the fall the tunnel. Hockey's it also matches the day on which the French Republic is officially founded. Oh, that's very concerned they manage to merge, science and self promotion, which is the two things you want in your evolution. You're back to Bernie's platform. Science and self promotion centered. And there was a lot of discussion. Why do we back gate it like is this now year two, and that's what they ended up doing. I think they say this is year to actually we've got the calendar going. But last year was the year that the French Republic started on this date. Well, that's what they did with Jesus calendar to write backdated it all away. Sure. It's just like it's just like a check, you know, you can't cash your too is a bit of a problem in you know, if you put it in Roman numerals, it looks like eleven, but they do tend to do the years in Roman numerals. And as a result, you're too in year eleven looked a lot like each other, which was a little tricky. It's only is a problem in year two and year five, and then you're ten you notice with Super Bowls. It gets a little weird like it was Super Bowl x L I x forty nine and then X licks ex likes sponsored by excellence. If this. The Super Bowl. But the next year they did not go with Super Bowl l because some Roman numerals. Just look weird. Right. It was Super Bowl fifty. So at some point, the French would have had to grapple with the fact that some Roman numerals or more Roman than others, Paul Ryan. Why are we celebrating those imperialists by using Roman? Numerals? Why didn't they come up with revolutionary numerals year? One every time a science fiction scenario has like a new dating system at always seems really Orwellian to me like we have literally erased the past like every time you right? The year. You've just a raced thousands of numbers. Do you think there will be a time when future Ling's date, the beginning of time to the day, the internet became self aware, whatever like there will there will surely be an attempt to do this in the future and in in year, thirty two there was no way to know that they were already thirty two years path beers zero right? It came much later. Yeah. So we might be living in in a Weiner. In the the period that's about to go away. They're going to be backdated away. Or I'm thinking, we might be in the period that we're in the very early days of the new calendar because it started when when Arpanet did some I don't know when Al Gore invented the internet. It started with Google peo-. Well, this is kind of the gimmick. And it's a bit of a joke in Aldous Huxley's brave new world. I don't know if you remember all the dates in the brave new world future. Disappear are measured a f- which is after Ford. They saw the automotive industry as the the beginning the revolution that will reshape the future. You know? He wasn't wrong. We'll maybe it's when when human beings I landed on the moon. Oh, yeah. Which will mean I'm born in the past times and your born in the new the new air. I was born in year five and I'm born in year negative one. Yeah. That was something. But presumably if it's like the Christian era by the time, this is all decided anybody who would be negative. We'll be dead. Right. And they may like. Post date me a little bit because I'm so important to the new era. He'll get grandfather day. Grandfather, did I'm I'm yours. Zeros clearly the forefront of the the new air even a fuse asterisk a little older. It could be af just like in harshly, but it would be like after fortnight rhetoric could be af like on the internet. It'd be like new dates. Yes, it is the year six. The main thing they want to change the names of the months, and this is this is kind of the craziest stuff because as as we said, they've got God's they've got absolute monarchs both of which are out of fashion. They also inaccurate numbers. I mean, does it bother you that sept- oct-? No deaths are the abbreviations for seventy nine ten, but because of the new months added Rome, these are now the the nine hundred eleven twelve months, it does bother me. But you know, so many things stick in my craw as I walk around. But this one for a third of the year. You gotta be like come on. Because I mean, do you have to do this August is particularly problematic for me? But so is April. Do you have to like mentally count as you writing dates on checks like, oh, it's August, which one is that. Oh, it's like right September is nine. So August is eight you have to think. Yes, idea usually get it. Right. But then when I go back, I'm like, what's June, June is six I can do one through six. Yeah. But then at the end of the year, I'm like, yeah. The minute for some reason the middle is harder. Because you're counting from one and twelve April always screws me up for some reason. I don't know why I always wanna put five for April. Even though I know five is a main. I feel like I get my birthday is in may. And you write your own birthday when's your birthday September? Okay. So, you know, you're good at the number. You have to write a lot. But my mom's birthday is in August. And somehow I struggle always to get to eight I know. I know I know July seven because seven is a magic number and therefore July our nation's birthday and the best month in a way, the nicest, I guess. Which do you think is nice Jila silvery northern hemisphere Centric, it's true. If you're in New Zealander like look, July. We're speaking to some kind of future marsupials who have cold weather in the what we think of as the summer months. They're going to be very upset has Manian devils, I think is who are audience, but their literal devil like hell has come to earth on their light on fire, and they have Horton little they're dead. Tasmanians have come back and take over there. Then they were they were terrible during their life. As weirdly, they showed up in Tasmania because they'd heard it was like full devils, and they were like, this has got caught the devil hood where were they at? And they realized they were just like little wombats or ferrets that probably little I cannot picture it has million. They're not as big as you might think they're not like in the cartoons. Because we all think of it is permanent. Rolling around like a looney tunes. I think they're like wolverines. Yeah. They're badgers. Maybe. Yeah. Something like that. They have webbed feet and pouches and all kinds of gross Kosice secretions super like at the tail of a beaver trying to take normal animals. And then they're like, but what if there was something super gross where there was a beak where there shouldn't be a be what if we put the face of a duck on this beaver. I'm like our blaming the Australian after this. And then they were like, hey, I know. Well, here's how it works. So so the French revolution the French revolutionary year year to the first year, of course, begins which is already or will doublespeak begins on September, twenty seconds. So too is the magic number so I guess the new French universes a libra or a Virgo whichever Bergen. Berko they come up with neologisms for the new month names, a playwright named Bob Rae dig lawn teen whose a devoted follower of the revolution. In fact, when Murat is killed in the bath. He's the guy who takes over Murat's daily paper key dreams up the new names, which are these they come and seasons and their fem-. So there's three Ottomans which is when the year start your now starts in autumn. I like that. It's how schools calendars work as a as a dad. I'm very into this idea that everything should start in September. When your kids go back to school in a way, September is the best month. You've just come. You just come off your six feast days, you know, the feast of self worth and the feast of feasting, and whatever the other four things are right. The football season starts, everybody's you know, you start wearing sweaters again. And so they have three months Vendemiaire Brumer and free Maher the Ottomans all have the same suffix, which is trivial the other seasons and each is kind of a new word that derives from a French word than. Air from grape harvest broom air from brew missed freelance frost, so yeah. For the friends prefer because it's Tober, right? Broom. Perfect. So these are all as you can see they're all kind of nature related. These are universal climate nature things that would happen in this month. And yet the French revolutionary is were not pagans. I mean, they weren't reintroducing paganism because I mean that all kind of smacks of potentially smacks of a return to nature worship, which would have been not reveling, and it gets worse later because they try to take the saints calendar and replace it with you know, because every day had its own saying a lot of customs were built around this. And they thought the only way to route that out would be to give every day its own plant. Really does get kind of nature worship. But I guess they're just thinking we have a DS to God who has started the universe. He started a watchmaker who started the progression of the seasons and the growth of the flowers and the cycle of the moisture, and so that's what we honor with these names, the implacable workings of the universe right winter. The three months December to February Nivose pluvial and Ventas snowy, rainy and windy snowy rainy, and the largest size of Frappuccino vent. I'll have a very windy those spring and noticed each each season has a different set of suffixes spring is German all Floreal and Prairial how nice meaning germinating seeds flowers meadows. And then summer is message for thermidor and fructose door harvest, heat and fruit so associations with the seasons. Right. If you're in fruit month, you know, not to hang out indoors, but go out and. Pick the bounty of cherries tomatoes. So for example today as we record this in our early twenty first century calendar. It's April twenty first of the year two thousand nineteen year of our lower your of our large Trump that in to make sure we leave him in don't take the Lord out of year of our Lord. No, the new Fox News gonna want to go back to your Lord. But in the French revolutionary calendar had succeeded. We would be today it'd be the fifth of Floreal because we're here in early spring in what year the year CC ex- ex- VI two two seven two two seven like the ninety s sitcom Jackie seven through to two. This was a five better. And they loved this. So this was kind of to me, this seems kind pretty actually kinda they had poets and playwrights come up with a new calendar. And it's very nice snowy, rainy, windy. I'm sure people hanging out on a tennis court yelling at each other think this is nice. But do the people think it's nice, it's widely criticised overseas. For example, you know, in England making fun of the French revolution was practically a fulltime job. Just as it is for me to my mom is still mad and an English writer named John Brady talks about the Purity's and absurdities of this new calorie. I for one thing he makes the very valid point that you know, these generalizations they're making the. Winter is snowy, rainy and windy whereas summer is hot harvest heat in our broody. There's parts of France. Where Francis a big enough country that that some of those do not apply, you know, the on the Riviera you're having very different seasons than you are by the Dutch border, right? Hardly snowy down in Marseille. Right. And see exactly Brittany and the south they're gonna have very different seasons. And as well France had occupied overseas. Territories. But this point as well. So if you're expecting French, John or Tahiti to use these names while it's the fifth of snowy here in the jungle, and it's the middle of summer too. But but pure I'll seems like a maybe a little bit overboard like there aren't any months, and I'm kind of surprised by this. There aren't too many months. I mean, I guess spring has some fecundity words, but there's no sex months. Maybe he just means that it seems kind of sentimental in greeting card is when you could have these beautiful ancient names with thousands of years of heritage. You really want to have. Robert frost, Bohm's you. They wanna have a rainy instead. Yeah. Exactly. Like, I think that's what he thinks. It's basic, and he also writes, John Brady writes today, some unknown. British wit has come up with his own name for the French seasons. We see sneezy and freezing. For that unknown. British with me, he got me two hundred years later, Lippi drippy. In the spring would be showery flowery and Bowery and in the summer, Hoppy crappy and poppy. So he's he's owning the French with perfect rhyme their pond, and as I said, the what further this need, not only. Did they give each month a nature theme name they wanted to replace the saints calendar? So that every day of the year had a plant had a different plant well, mostly plant. So every ten days is the depth CD the day off, and those are all agricultural tools, but no insect days. Well, there are every five days. So the midpoint that your half day off of your week, those are named for a common animal from country life, and as I was looking at the list, it does look like there are a few insects. I remember there's cricket right. I would much rather be like on FOX day than on trout day. But that's maybe just my preference for furry mammals. There actually is a trout day. Did you make that up? I'm sorry to her Pesca -tarian forever. Pescatori friends September September. I would have been trout. I think how exciting if your if your trout listening to this. Yeah. And you realize there was a day. I and I didn't mean to disparage it, you're just saying. Yeah. The future. Fox's are like. Yeah. And then every other day is a plant. So it's kind of like a some kind of weird farmer's almanac vibe when you go through the year, and then are the oh July twenty six that's the Steph lower. So are the plants of the saints. Are they related to their season seasonal plants? Like, you know in the winter, you've gotta have some that's where you're pines are. And maybe you're the one the one can session to that. That's made is that between December January the nouveau the least sunny season of the year instead of plants there are minerals, right? Copper day in ten date day and zinc day makes sense with that really replace like, oh, here's Saint Catharine. Here's the amazing life. He lived. Here's the kid. Who's head's she put back on here. So she tended recovered from drowning. Here's. The she's the patron Saint of of railroad engineers and little boys whose pajama flaps were falling open. And now you get his December eighth, zinc. Well, I mean any revolutionary like overthrow of past traditions is really popular with zealots, and maybe less popular with people that are just trying to go along to get along. And then you've got the vast majority of people who don't understand really the motivation for it. And they like things the way they were right? People are in the main pretty change of her. Right. And that's why you get all the inertia where these top down things somebody in. Beijing says, hey, we've got to do this. But by the time, he got out of the provinces. Everyone's like, I'm not doing that. But there is a certain amount of monitoring that goes on in a revolutionary society. Right. So you're zealots neighbor is coming by on trout day. I didn't want trout if you bring somebody Valentine's Day cards is really one of your neighbors going to be like speaking up for the loudspeakers to here. No, no, I'm sorry. February fourteenth is now road day. Right. Please bring me some of that pale blue dye. Wodehouse I do not want these delicious candies. It's my first anniversary bring me paper. Oh, my birthday is exactly it feels like one of those made up greeting card. Here's here's a list of gifts. My birthday is wild celery day. Oh that that is fairly descriptive of you. You are a little bit of a wild celery. That's what that's what the ladies. Are you? Okay. With your birthday being on the record your. Yeah. Let's hear it September. What thirteenth? Well, let's first of all that's almost the end of the year. Right. That would be right before the feasts of good health and carbonated beverages. Right. Ten ten days out. Right. So this would be a time of celebration. You are Goldenrod day. Oh, I'm literally Goldenrod, golden Roderick. Yeah. Isn't Goldenrod like a it's a sneeze -i say. It's a, hey theory. It's easy and breezy or sneezy not into Goldenrod typically, but I would love to be referred to as Goldenrod. You look past the fever aspect of it. Yeah. I mean, my my original Email address all the way back in the ninety s was hot rod at Capitol Hill dot net. I just wish it had been goldrush Capitol Hill has its own Email server there was there was an internet. Cafe on Capitol Hill. Bit got Capitol Hill dot net. Owned by a friend of mine, and he was like you need an Email address. You could have had hot rod at hotmail, and you didn't get it could've should today, by the way, April twenty fourth Rawson, you'll day of the Nightingale, isn't that? Nice. Oh when oh because Rossio ole skis have a rooster as their logo is a raw signal different than Ross. Ross angle Rosen y'all is just French for Nightingale, really. So the ski company's why do they have a freaking rooster as their logo? I don't have a ninety Yale. Here's the problem. They go to the graphic designer he's doing he's like, I only know it's like the kid in eighth grade that will superhero speaker, we draw Batman Atkin only dry Russkoe. I only know one bird. Even a little crazier than this. As you've implied the calendar would be very hard to get to catch on but they classically overreach. Hiring do double down. And they also want decimal time. Imagine this ten hour days. Of one hundred minute hours. Right. How long has a minute one hundred seconds. Plus I each day as one hundred thousand seconds. Yeah. That's which is very nice. If you have OCD this is incredible. Actually, unfortunately, the math is terrible. Right. One of their hours would be almost two and a half of ours. One of their minutes would be a minute and a half. And one of the each second is a little too short. So even if you've kind of internalized the ticking of a clock or whatever. Nope. Hello. It's been an Emery from WVU ours podcast, endless thread. Oh, you don't know us totally fair. We don't technically know yet either. But we do know you have excellent taste in podcasts. Humble suggestion continue your winning streak and add endless thread to your podcast rotation. It's hosted by yours truly and each episode dives into the vast ecosystem of online communities called read. It we tell stories that are ripping surprising funny. Sometimes all three like a sandwich made out of a firecracker a boa constrictor and a clown. Okay. Now who would eat a sandwich like that. I mean anyone after listening to our show. Okay, buddy. Subscribe to endless thread wherever you get your podcast or listen via the computer chip, we just secretly installed in your cranium. What nothing by? And this is a bridge too far, you know, with a new calendar, really all you have to do is you need a printing press. But now you can give the people in new calendar. Let me ask there's no there's no Christ or Roman association with a sixty second minute and sixty minute hours there. They wanted to get rid of four twenty so people would not smoke marijuana. Well, I kind of agree with that. Or I guess it just makes four twenty longer. The thing is within ninety seconds of four twenty now in Seattle everyday is four twenty. Now every minute is for twenty. I think this is just more of an idea of how this is crazy and not science. He this is just metrication does. Right. Right. Right. Why should we have twenty four sixty sixty? This is dumb when we could just have ten one hundred one hundred. But of course, then you need to know a whole new clock industry. Every single clock is now wrong. Although this is a burgeoning time for clocks, if you're a clockmaker think of the government contracts, you would get like, suddenly they're going to eat one hundred thousand two hundred thousand second clocks the literature mobility team. Hundreds that clock technology was booming. So it could be done. But you'd you'd have a you just have thousands of obsolete clocks every single clock in the kingdom. It's not a kingdom every single o'clock in the Republic is wrong. Who I mean when people when future links looked back and sorry to keep normalizing as people are calendar. But when people look did it again when organisms look back in future links look back at our time. They may say that we also are living in the era of obsolete clocks. I mean you and I in trying to time this episode had to go find my retro clock off of the wall in the back of the house and bring it forward. Just to have a they're hardly any actual. I have I have a little clock on the narrow part of my arm. Right. That I am never without a little Mickey let off and on several times a day, which just seems nuts a society that didn't have these would be the worst kind of eccentric. You look at that guy. He's got a little clock on a little clock. What's his deal? I've taken to wearing three wristwatches. They're all. Swatches though. So it's a cool. So you can pull down your cuff and be like, hey, buddy. The healthy Lexus, one by an am Rolla sees, and you know, obviously changing times would change every aspect of life. Like you can get away with changing the days of the week. And really what have you messed up like how our lives be different? If we were ten days. The New Yorker would come a little less often, and you wouldn't feel so guilty that you were going to have to ask you to work on Saturday except Saturdays work on like deputy, forty nine hours long. Yes. But if you change minutes, that's when the people really are like hold on hold on because that affects railroad schedules. And I mean, if you did that in our day, the everything would have to change from the way DVR is work to the way CPR instructions are given like you need seconds minutes and hours, three seconds, minutes, and hours or society, kind of fails. We'll just butterfly effect is I mean, not listen, I love Bernie Sanders. I introduced him at at an event, I had no idea. There was going to be so much Bernie. I know I wasn't even the one who brought up his name. But let me just say that like this reverberating effect of of revolutionary change. Like, if you really did eliminate college tuition. It doesn't just stop there. Right. It has reprecussions kind of throughout the system. It is a butterfly effect in every case when you walk in and arbitrarily institute a change. That's that big which entries did we talk about this end because we were talking about your your run for city council, and how you learn. People really just wanted. Politicians just wanna politics to be reliable. Right. They did actually they do not have good ideas. They just want to know how you're gonna vote each time. They actively dislike good ideas. And you're not wrong that a lot of these sweeping changes that get all of them are more complicated than the one sentence thing or the one paragraph thing on Elizabeth Warren's web page, right? Because then it's like, oh, let's not just zoom in on on one side of the political aisle. It's true across the board. But to the income tax would also bring a foundational thing for America both sides can but yeah, the idea that you can institute reform. I mean, it's so appealing to people all we need to do is just change the number of minutes or change the length of minutes, and all of a sudden everything will be better. And you just have you know, and then thought about the thousand of different. Yeah. As messed up by changing the length of a minute somewhere in a maternity ward somewhere child. Is starving to death because nobody or you know, when Boeing outsourced manufacturing of some of their components to Italy. There's a famous incident where they got a huge shipment of extremely important parts and somebody had just not transposed it or had transpose the numbers to reckless into metric numbers rather than so they were centimeters instead of incher. Yeah. So they got all these parts and they were just completely wrong. I mean, just imagine a tiny little miss sized Stonehenge megaliths lowering on your face forever. That's how it's going to be like was his rebel. Who knows who they were where they came from Hubbard Egland teen did not live to see his calendar in action for very long like many of the genius find the revolution. He was arrested January twelfth seventeen ninety four or as he would have preferred that the twenty third of Nivose. That's that's a day right before my sister's birth. Oh, it's also iron which is an appropriate for this guy to get put in coffins the iron throne. And he and he was no they don't have thrones anymore, and he was sent to the teen on April fifth seventeen ninety four which would have been the sixteenth of German. All lettuce is a good thing. Yeah. It's a perfect data lose your head. So he lived to see less than a full year of his new calendar. Did you'll bear roam the mathematician who dreamed up the math behind the new calendar stabbed himself to avoid the teen a year later as so many of the architects of the revolution were were the victims of the revolution of our Herman gerring move. Yeah. Is that aboriginal WW HDD if somebody's going if somebody's going to going to hang you tomorrow? I'm not sure what you know. This whole business of killing yourself at night to deprive them of satisfaction. That's pretty small. It's also making a janitor. Do a lot of work. Yeah. Why not get up on the don't mess in your hotel room up on the platform, and and give like a Saddam Hussein's speech at the end. But the calendar was the calendar lasted for about a decade longer than its creators. But it it was having troubles by eighteen to the problem with not having a Sabbath a reliable full day off every seven days. It was really getting to the peasants and the government agreed to replace the deck decays the debt Qods back with weeks and eighteen o six and the Polian and finally swept it away radically the most famous date in the revolutionary calendar is probably the eighteenth of Broome air the day. Napoleon took the throne and the day the calendar went away it was its own death date. That's a really interesting because. The early years of Napoleon we're operating under the French calendar. I had no idea. I mean by the time, he invaded Russia. It would have been they would have gone back to the Julian calendar. So that must have been it was so tricky in the in the thing like, okay, we're going to launch a counter strike in ninety minutes. Do you mean ninety revolutionary minutes or ninety on regime minutes? We've talked about what kind of calendar. The people have the people. I did it again biota of the future might have the the sentient mucus covered. Marsupial upside down people at the future people in their marsupial people, though, if you modify hoop beat he. Marsupials if you modify it with another animal, it's okay, right? We're I don't know do you walk into a room of mixed gender people and say, hey, guys. I kinda do I know me too on the worst. Ouch. But we as I can assume that the people listening to us millions of years, hence, we'll have a different calendar. If nothing else, I mean, Julius Caesar may not be relevant to them anymore. But also the astronomical inputs will change as well in the distant future. Oh curious. We will not always have the same length of day. For example, the earth will always take three hundred sixty five days a bit a quarter to go around the sun, that's not likely to change much over a period of time in which there could be life on earth. But the length of the day might change. We've recently been able to see we've looked at fossilized coral polyps coral polyps, you're referring to the universal. We not you. And I have not yet. No. I mean me and my family me and the kids oh odor. We meaning the human race. I wonder what you did on vacation. We were looking at coral polyps coral grows. A new little layer of calcium carbonate every day. Oh, and it'll grow more on days with more sun and warmer temperatures. So you can you can see the procession of the seasons. Coral is a lot busier than I thought de do you feel like there it is? When you do not do them. I don't I'm not. I there are days when I lose a layer. I do make a little layer of myself every day, but it's mostly kind of grime and oil. It's not mineral what that means is you can look at a coffee. I'll actually see the year because even see the sunlight and temperature cycles of the new layer the new molecules of calcium carbonate that it added lined limestone that added every day and therefore every year, and as a result, we now believe that a day during the Siler, Ian period like maybe four hundred million years ago was a year of about four hundred twenty two hour days four hundred twenty two hour days. Sorry four hundred days. Of twenty two hours apiece. Right. Oh, interesting. So more days, but shorter more days, but shorter so shorter workdays, I guess but also shorter night's sleep. All right because it takes three hundred sixty five and a quarter twenty four hour days, but you would have four hundred twenty the period of the earth going around the sun is not going to change just because the earth is thinning faster. Right. But the number of days goes up and down. And so it appears that the number of hours go up, and so if that is true, then we're listening. We're speaking to an audience that probably does not have it three hundred sixty five have three hundred and forty day year. It's probably getting slower. Do we have any recommendations for what they should name their three hundred odd days after how many Sabbath czar there, maybe they could name them after episodes of omnibus, right? Maybe we should get up to three hundred and fifty odd episodes, and then just shut it down while we're only up to one hundred and forty nine right now, which would be perfect for your two month year. Sure. And that concludes the French revolutionary calendar entry five zero zero dot e x one two zero two certificate number four four two seven zero in the us. Future earnings in the unlikely event that social media is still exists in your three hundred and forty day year. I guess the Beatles song would be. Days on the day cod. Instead of that we in the French revolution. Does that matter? It doesn't scan and days a week. And maybe you only love the person eight days a week. And then you have like three days to get your chores. You can't love anyone during a perfect scientific revolution. Oh, that's right. You can you can choose to meet with them to produce hardy offspring. But there's no romantic love. You're singing it sister. Anyway, future. Ling's we can only assume that Facebook, Twitter and Instagram or on the garbage pile of history. The first thing to be swept away in the next revolution covered in many layers of calcium carbonate, but what I do every day, by the way, build a layer of tweets around myself. No, you do you can measure my productivity by going back in time and looking at my number of reads per day, a layer of funny tweets that keep people from really knowing the real can you can see summer. Keep people out you can see summer. My kids are home from school. So more tweets tweets get away. You can see our Facebook, Twitter and Instagram posts from time when we had a lot of extra time on our hands by not working regular Jones. Those are all archived at omnibus- project. Remember do not have dealer. Take an a lot of you know, I've discovered the last few episodes we've been releasing are episodes late in the afternoon and a lot of people have written into complain because they listen to omnibus in the morning on their way to work or again, that's a problem with a twenty four hour day. That's right. Twenty two hour day. Maybe everything's six. Maybe everything's better. Sure hundred our minutes one hundred minute hours. This episode. Finally, we would have hour long episodes every every of the day is one hundred hours long. You can see some of these alarium. And obfuscating tweets at Ken Jennings at John Roderick. I enjoyed your tweet this week about how years trying to get out of this episode. But I enjoyed your tweet about how love song should be more honest. Yeah. It's not. I'll love you forever. It's like, you're you're you're pretty good. Although you could be done percent better. I wish you were ten percent better. Let's see how this goes. There's a market for that. There really is. I mean, I say it all the time. I call it out all the time. Look, I'm not going to be twenty percent better. So just stop thinking about I can see behind your eyes. If only lost ten pounds slightly nicer people are listening to the Twitter painted love songs to escape from these feelings in their real, right? So it's just like a should a new baby. You can Email us at the Nova's project at gmaiLcom. We didn't get hot rod at hotmail dot com. Goldenrod at hot rod, if you're listening, please tell us your hotmail address you can mail us things at PO box five five seven four four shoreline. Washington ninety eight one five five here's a fun thing that came a future listener named Celeste sent us blabbering her self published memoir of funny stories from her hometown of dothan, Alabama. I'm thank you Celeste. We we both will crack it open. And we now have ninety one pages worth of folksy homespun dothan, Alabama, anecdotes Willie belied on for you. Also, please join our future links group on Facebook the omnibus future lanes for lots of strenuous debate over whether the word panties. Is acceptable in blades. You just said it again panties. They can't tell you're saying it includes it's as bad to them as if you're actually seeing it moist Winton. You don't want. I don't like crave like crave on crave to be cringe. And I've never met anyone else who thinks. So here's the thing on the internet and say, hey, stop saying crave on your podcast. What do I feed my cat? I can't get craves chicken in. My Katy cat craves milk. My kid can't craves tuna and my kitty cat creams. Crazy. It's the K, right? Is it? No. It's not Kate crave. With a cage does that seem like white nationalists? That's yeah. That's what you feed your little cat with a Hitler moustache of which there are surprisingly so many. Yeah. My sister's neighbor has a little Catholics exactly like Hitler. Does. He have does. He have the bangs does the cat like sweep is banks over to the side. Nobody did an ex Poland. Interesting that you would use the word annex. There seems like your little bit of an apologist it wasn't invasion. 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OBI Listener Questions: Watching the game pass by

Cincy Jungle

13:03 min | 2 years ago

OBI Listener Questions: Watching the game pass by

"This is the orange black insider bagels podcast. I mean, because he's John Sharon, you can get this show on I tunes on Stitcher on Google play on our nineteen and YouTube and sits juggled dot com. We're gonna get to a segment just a second. But we've got a call on the line is the orange bike insider who's this? That'd be good, sir. Good to hear from you, sir. I'm sure you knowing knowing you as long as I have John from Kentucky. I I would assume you have to be absolutely ecstatic with Marvin Lewis news. That morning. The Marvin Lewis. Mark Brown just park Marvin Lewis. Said a little early great hall. No, they don't pose present your whole that. Anyway as had. And you know, our static. Bagel span. While time and. Yeah. You know, when I. Founded I took a religious situation. And you mentioned this comment Murray backpack. Your main priority? Trolley that you, but really the whole steams around there. Doc. All empty years. Paul Brown stadium there. I Brown does. All right. A lot of things, you know, the history. My father Paul Brad and the Cleveland Browns, direct yours. Was devastated. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, he started the start of the team and then Modell came in and basically pulled the rug out from under him and fired him. Yeah. In the nineteen fifties. Generation of people man if you got a job back, then not like his your fire. They go get another job back dead. Oh my God. He was a blow ego. People were just devastated all are tired of your job. Whereas you do somebody Brown family really for. So anyway to get on with it here. I just banging my Brown are like the thing. But done troll Brown. Is going to be by himself. Never. At the end of of what I liked. Just after the first Margot has ever swept by the Brown. And he's a longer coaching with the whole down. And appreciate you make. Absolutely John base for calling in will will will comment about this on on the area. Appreciate column in and derbies. Five we have something. Tell me about it. You ever motivated Gina play. Players better. Now fending work with Marvin purse Janjaweed overbalanced do ever this is please and prime time and big games, but see some aggressive, and some, you know, very from clear judge. Never hurry. Saw her unit. All I. Everybody that you. So that was our good friend, John guitar key. Always entertaining phone call and we had to we had to take that one there. Any thoughts any digital thoughts? John about what John from Kentucky said about the obviously we talked about this previously about how the Browns game was may have weighed heavily on the decision in terms of potentially bringing bad. Marv Lewis in the Bengals utterly failed in both of those games. First of all it's twenty nineteen. I think we should finally on the show put the put this part of the show as the John Kentucky segment is just a weekly tradition at this point. So John Kentucky shots you. We should definitely try to name the segments after you now. But yeah, it was something that I thought about after they lost second Browns game. Like, I know Mike Brown is not okay losing to the Browns because of the history. But I just I just wasn't sure if he was capable of doing the right thing in, you know, doing the one thing that a lot of us wanted him to do for somebody years. So it was like the it was just the unstoppable force meeting. The unmovable object in my mind when I was thinking about Mike Brown stop process, and I guess one side this kind of overpowed the other one. And that was the ended up being the logical right decision. So kudos to him again for just doing that. But I guess it really speaks to testament about how much of that loss kind of impacted in. And I think that's something. That's that should be worth, you know, celebrating in. And I guess when when you hold, you know, Mike Brown. Mike Brown is such a low standard that we do. And that makes sense to me. Makes sense to me is well, I'd like I said in John brought up a good point John's longtime Bengals fan, and and like a lake he said the Bengals it's just kind of unacceptable to especially in Mike Brown's is it's kind of unacceptable for the team to lose to the Browns in the way that they did to get swept in this in a season by the Browns the Bengals of loss makes them back to back games. But it was like you know, one game in one season in the first game of the next season. So they weren't you know, I guess that's a sweep away but not really because it's not the same season. But is the first time it had happened since two thousand two and we all know that two thousand two was one of the season bagels history before we get to our next segment, and maybe a couple of other listener questions towards the end of the program. We've got another another regular caller here. It's it's Terrell call giving us a call Tyrrell. How are you, sir? How how did you? Did you take Marvin Lewis news? I was I was happy. Where I'm thinking about. Is all. Other that I'm Marta was just fashioned. And they you know what I'm saying. Of the judge my slow backer like. And I'll talk it as though I just want to also today, and I want to on new guy like a fresh. Me jive eight. Air that thing for his name. Now and then. Rams to energy. Call A place with. Good point. Good point good point. Somebody that I like entry. John, nausea, and. Hey. To you. Code juvenile. And then. Thanks. Cookie cash cash. Usual saying including on the same drive. I wanted to bad on our? Awesome. You know? And in the read system has usually been quite friendly to versatile running backs, and you know, getting the ball. Yeah. Get in the ball out where where a little pressed on time, Terrell. So we're gonna we're gonna move on. Appreciate you calling in. Uday by Terrell frequent caller and always always good to hear from him. I the one thing I I wanna talk about. I mean, he's brought up a lot of good points there in terms of what needs to happen. Number one. Yeah. It's using the guys effectively on that are on the roster and getting more out of them number two. It's not wait. Like, unfortunately, keep talking about the twenty fifteen draft does not within on those picks in rounds. One two three, you know, you can't keep whipping on these on these big picks when you're relying on the draft just can't do it. But it all kinda adds up. Also to what he said, you know, the slower bigger linebackers thumpers all that kind of stuff. I don't really necessarily want us word it this way. But do you think that game in a way past Marv Lewis by absolutely absolutely? I think we always always talked about his inability to evolve to monitor I'm in while. Good point would be, you know, in the more successful years. He's been here. He's had the courtesy of leaning on some quality coordinators, whether it'd be jigger huge Hugh Jackson on defense like my my Mike Zimmer in Paul Gunter in his first year. So when they had success they had good coordinators for to help out Lewis yo game plan and called blaze. And what not, but from a general sense? You know, when you talk about the duties that Marvin Lewis had as coach whether it be, you know, in game decision-making desbrosses billion general tendencies took a long time to kind of involve into the modern game. And honestly, I do think in in a way that you know, he tried for as long as he could to make it work for the way that he want wanted to run things, whatever. But again, just like every everybody that he was just had to adapt times. Unfortunately, not only was to lady just wasn't effective at doing that. So I think just never even the loan. It was time for him to go beyond just the lack of success beyond a division title. But I definitely do think that from a roster Bill. Her and just from a coach Spanish his in game decision making. It was definitely just a case of him being stuck in time period where he was successful. Once he just wasn't anymore. Yeah. And then, you know, on top of that they just could build an identity on you know, what they were trying to do on offense or too many times where mix didn't get enough touches. And then he did it just what they were trying to do all over the map in granted. Injuries played a factor into that. But you know, you gotta kinda have a plan and identity and the Bengals really haven't had that since twenty fifteen and you know, that's it shows in their record. This is the orange black insider bangles podcast. He's John Aaron I'm Anthony disaster. We appreciate the phone calls. We received in all of the interaction all the live viewers. We allot alive you tonight. So that was pretty cool. 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Apollo 12's Really Close Call

Sidedoor

29:23 min | 1 year ago

Apollo 12's Really Close Call

"This is side door a podcast from the Smithsonian support from Pierre ex I'm lizzy peabody the Apollo Saturn launch control. We're now at teams eight hours fifty eight minutes and counting. We have a new weather forecast. just came in today will be a thirty percent chance of showers at launch time. Be Looking conditions on the morning of November fourteenth nineteen sixty nine were not ideal for a rocket launch. It was a dark and stormy day which I I know. It feels like kind of a cliche a way to start a story but it was a very important part of this story. This story is about Apollo Twelve America's the second manned mission to the moon. Nick Partridge a spokesperson for the Smithsonian's national air and Space Museum popped over to help me kick it off the front which began passing through here. Late yesterday has not expected to Now move through by launch time however this is not going to be a constraint to launch has presently viewed still still kinda gloomy still kind of raining but the lightning strikes were far enough away. They weren't within the zone where you would worry about it hitting the rocket or anything and they're gonNA go crowds sheltered under ponchos shows and umbrellas at the Kennedy Space Center in Cape Canaveral Florida President. Nixon was there to be the first president who watch a launch while in office. Listen everybody waiting. So countdown comes talk to you. Know three to one zero. The rocket comes to life and they can't overstate the size and power complexity and danger associated with this Brockett. It was the biggest most complex machine by some measures ever built. Ever right really gone. The liftoff off goes without a hitch. Everything is looking good lighter. Everybody's good better. A few seconds thirty thirty six seconds into the flight. Something happens comes out. All of the systems go down all of their indicators go haywire all of the warning lights come on at once a mile in the air approaching the speed of sound the the crew was riding and almost dead spacecraft atop thirty six story rocket towards space with no idea what was wrong so this time on side door we commemorate that story for the Fiftieth Anniversary of the Apollo twelve launch after a quick break. You can't get enough of DORF. Well there's more sign up for the side door newsletter to get behind the scenes this content for each episode. There's so much more to our stories than we can fit into each episode. The newsletter is worse cider producer. Justin O.`Neil and I can share photos videos videos facts and favorite moments. That for whatever reason didn't make it into the podcast. You can also find links to articles and more specifics about the research being done here at the Smithsonian Sonian across the country and beyond sign up at SL dot edu slash side door that's SL dot edu slash side door. Let's backup if you don't know much about the Apollo twelve mission. You're not alone. I knew nothing nothing about it before. Beginning research on this episode and that's partly because it sandwiched between two very famous missions. Apollo Eleven Dan in Apollo Thirteen Kinda gets overshadowed by its siblings flings. Yep Twelve a middle child certainly but a high achieving one charming won the reliable. The funny one Jan Brady Yup. The Jan Brady of Apollo missions had an ambitious goal just four months earlier Apollo eleven which we talked about an episode just a few months ago successfully is fully landed on the moon but missed their targeted landing site by about four miles in the words of this nineteen sixty nine. ABC Broadcast Louis Explore. He has to be able to land exactly where he wants to this time Apollo twelve would try to nail a pinpoint landing. The plan was to land right next to a lunar probe called surveyor three that had been sent to the moon two years earlier so they thought the easiest way to demonstrate a pinpoint landing was to say they were GonNa land at the surveyor three landing site and potentially retrieve parts of the land to bring back to Earth along with all of the moon rocks if they managed to bring those parts back scientists. Fantasy could study heather equipment aged on the moon land within three thousand feet or they won't have enough oxygen to safely get to surveyor and make it back. That was the goal all but what really set Apollo twelve apart from any mission that came before it was the crew. They were best friends. Follow is a tough act. Apollo astronauts were ever better pick from then Pete Conrad Rob Gordon and Alan maybe commanders. All old friends. None of Apollo twelve crew is still living so we talked to Nancy. Conrad her husband Pete. Conrad was commander of politics. So what qualities made their friendship special. How would you describe their friendship would wove them together? Was the ability to just be who they were without stretching cassatt makes sense yeah. There was huge respecting each of them had extraordinary capabilities and they each made room for each other's extraordinary Kabila. The tone of any mission is set by its commander but Pete Conrad was far from the Strait laced east. Typical NASA Commander Spacecraft Commander Conrad Thirty Nine of Germany Five and eleven is funny friendly outspoken and hard as nails when he ashby he liked to swear crack jokes and he home does he worked at five foot six and a half inches. He was one of the shortest astronauts at NASA but he had a supersized personality. Well he was a wiry high-energy piece of work he. He was fun really just fun. I mean if if you ever wanted to have a dinner party and make sure that everyone had a great time you would invite Ip Conrad he was known to be the most fun loving of them all while still being a really capable aviator V8. Pete Conrad I met His command module pilot. Dick Gordon or two P.. Dick dickey in the Navy test has pilot training school. They were both ambitious competitive pranksters and they hit it off after they both joined NASA. They spent three cramped days together in orbit on an earlier earlier mission. I guess there's really no other crucible that will forge a bond quite like that right I guess not but if he Conrad and Dick Gordon like to be seen an and heard the third member of their crew definitely stood apart. That was Al Bean. How being was just one of the jurist human being so different? Yeah he was a bit quieter while some of the other guys were doing traditional astronaut adventure stuff drinking or racing cars heath took painting lessons. He was a really capable pilot but he wasn't known to be self promoter. Pete Conrad had been Al's flight eight instructor in the navy and it was Pete who encouraged to apply to the astronaut program. He noticed that Al wasn't the most naturally gifted pilot but he was definitely the hardest worker. Her he was a details guy. At NASA Pete was tapped to lead an apollo mission but als. Quiet hit hard. Working Demeanor landed him at a desk playing a support role without any real hope of going to the moon that is until Apollo twelve assigned end lunar module pilot CC. Williams died in an accident and Pete came looking for his old student from flight. School peaked like the big broad. Brush strokes the overview the thirty thousand foot visionary pieces. He was envisioned person not a process. That's why he has dow being joined the crew because our suppresses Persson Pete knew what he could do. The NASA brass was skeptical. Our was not their first choice. The Pete Conrad insisted and Al joined the mission so you end up with three people who all knew each other from the navy they were close like no other crew. They had matching gold corvettes that they raise up and down the causeways in Cape Canaveral and they actually had like their mission assignments painted on the side they had commander and command module pilot and lunar module pilot on the side and they would just go everywhere in these matching cars snatching cars can you imagine and as far as I know there was no mission quite like Apollo twelve where everyone was just so close in so great and it was going to be a great mission but they were also going to have the time of their lives flying so on the rainy morning of November fourteenth nineteen. sixty-nine this Dream Team set off on their dream mission which a few seconds in looked more like a nightmare. We'll get back to the moment. Everything changed after the break. Love learning new things on side door. Here's something you might not know the Smithsonian relies on support from people like like you to make all of the research discoveries and exhibitions you hear about possible. Smithsonian experts are addressing critical issues in the field of science history art and culture issues that affect us all and you can be a part of it. A lot of people listen to side door. Imagine what we could learn next if everyone chipped tipped in just a little find out how at SL that edu slash contribute a lovely. Everything's looking great. Yeah it was a very nice lift off. You know my thought was this is going to be a piece of cake. Didn't last very along. On the morning of the Launch Apollo twelve flight director Gerry Griffin was on the ground at mission control the room crammed full of guys in white shirts and black ties behind computers. Peter is making sure everything went. According to plan. He was thirty four years old and for the first time in his life he was in charge. This was the first time that I had been a lead flight. Light Director and was the first time I had been part of et CETERA. Launch Saturn five is the rocket designed to support Nasr's Apollo Oh program. It was flashing new technology at the time. And it's still the largest most powerful American launch rocket ever built. What is the job of the flight director? Well a flight director was like the conductor of symphony. You didn't play any of the instruments but you had to make sure it all came out sounding right. So when the whole orchestras instruments simultaneously went silent. Thirty six seconds into the peace. It was Jerry's problem. I heard some static. Just just a a hard static nick and then I heard Pete Conrad's say something like what was that Conrad's starting reading off all these caution and warning wing lights over. I thought was Oh. We're going to have to abort I'm you don't have to be the first guy that calls aboard of Saturn launch and is my first time on top of being totally unprecedented Jerry Griffin knew that aborting this early in the flight would be risky. The rocket was traveling at more than six hundred hundred miles per hour and accelerating but it was still only about a mile in the air lower than commercial airplanes. Why a boarding would mean that the command module all the little gumdrops on top of the rocket where the crew was sitting would need to propel off the rocket so very violent ride very sudden hygiene forces is supposedly the rocket would get you up on for the shoots to deploy in time to solve your landing water but in that violent volunteer? And you never know whether that's going to work exactly right so the higher you can get you just have more time for the systems to work so the longer he could delay the call to abort the mission the better. You've got to kind of swallow the soul of the panic Hanneck. That's the secret is don't let the fear or the panic take control of you. Griffin took a deep breath an assessed the situation something had disabled the electrical systems in the command module leaving the crew in the dark without any way of knowing where in space we're heading they didn't have anything that was working as to command module's so they they've really were flying blind griffin had to figure out what was wrong wrong fast he got on the radio and I said he come forward you see call was Ecob at what does stood for was electrical environmental in communications. John Erin the twenty four year old e Com sat across the room at mission control. And what he saw. Now was this. All the Bokonzo warning lights probably eighty five percent of that hundred lights lit up by Christmas tree Bam Bam. It went from being perfect to a CATA words. It'll be in a second much possibility. was to come up with some kind of recommendation. Recommendation of what to do errands monitors froze but the values that they froze at this nonsensical random Caddo dopers thought what is that and then he remembered a year earlier he was watching a ground test in Houston when the Monitor did something very similar. You're nobody knew what to do at the time but John. Aaron took the data home and studied. He realized the problem could be fixed by flipping a tiny switch on the control panel all the sce switch by flipping it from the normal power source to auxiliary or backup power source. They could get their data back at the time he just thought Interesting then forgot about it. Fast forward one year and Lo and behold there was that pattern was they're so in Gerry Griffin asked John Erin ECON party you see US said try. Se Off And I looked at him and I trust up my face. I didn't say it on the loop but I said what I had never heard of the switch. SC So better fact. We that he didn't even question it. He decided Capcom turn to the Capcom. Capcom is the single report in the Mission Control Center that's authorized to talk to the crew in those days and I said Capcom telling Sei Hawks and he he said you know se jewelry so that got radio. I am the Dr Konrad repeated it. He said in sea hawks in any said what the hell is that. All what else that. It was a switch that none of us had ever used in a simulation. There are hundreds of fitches pitches but al being pieces. I know where that is. He knew it was about God. Albie newer walls and he got it went to auxiliary android dead. We got our Databa- Alpine in the details. Guy Knew exactly where that's which was with the data back at mission control. They could see that some kind of charge had knocked the fuel cells off line but the rocket was still flying. On course. Miraculously whatever had disrupted the electrical system in the command module hadn't thrown off the navigational system in the Saturn five rocket. Pete Conrad had a theory about what might have done he said. I'm not sure we didn't get hit by lightening and he was right. We found out later. There were two lightning strikes. They say lightning doesn't strike the same place twice but it turns out Apollo twelve wasn't isn't just struck by lightning it created its own lightning twice. How wild is that Jan Brady meet Zeus? Think of it like this. When the Saturn lifts off you've got seven and a half million pounds of thrust and you've got got a fire trailing behind it this extremely long it? I analyzed all of that heat below the rocket and Dan took the potential electric field that existed in those clouds and it actually created a short to the ground. In other words those clouds were primed for lightning and Apollo twelve acted as a kind of spark who ever thought of that. It was a complete surprise to me. It was a surprise to everyone and it was a heck of a lesson to learn the hard way because of it NASA made a rule from then on they'd measure the electrical potential in the atmosphere miss fear before any launch even under blue skies but back aboard Apollo Twelve only two minutes and twenty two seconds into the adventure of a lifetime. Nine crew was relieved a little more all leather cutting they man cardiac graph down here the tape starting to feel more comfortable in. We could tell that because they were making jokes and giggling they were giggling between each other. It added then he got. He got tickled when Pete was afraid. He would giggle. He literally lie all the way into Jerry Griffin cleared Apollo twelve to continue to the moon and the crew hunkered down for the voyage revealing feeling. Well Houston. We've settled into a normal routine. They listened to Elvis as Earth got smaller and smaller in the command module window. Apollo twelve after that call was one of the cleanest missions we had in the whole program five days later Pete. Conrad steered the final descent to the surface of the moon with Alpine assisting him do older. Yeah and they stuck that pinpoint landing from the Lunar Lander Pete Conrad Radioed Boys. You'll never believe it the other side of the crater further your survey yester- that like the exactly as they planned they'd landed close enough to surveyor three to just walk right over to it. And when Pete Conrad the third man to walk on the Moon stepped down from the lander. The first thing he said was then in True Pete Conrad Fashion. He cracked a joke about his short legs. Deal with. That may have been a small one for Neil. But that's a long one for me during their thirty one hours and forty minutes on the moon. Pete Conrad and Al Being Gathered Moon rocks installed seismometers and conducted other experiments. And they had so much fun doing it. That one MISSOURIAN griped to NASA in a letter UH astronaut Conrad gives the impression that he is on a joyride of no significance whatsoever. Yeah he was Hummer. A gun is to sing an added terrible voice. Before returning to Earth Pete an hour moonwalked over to surveyor three and cut a camera off of it physical proof of the precision landing scientists back home were eager to investigate how solar radiation had aged on the surface of the moon and today non scientists like me can check it out too. So you're looking at the camera. It's a television camera from the surveyor. Three Lander I visited the camera with matching del. Space Historian and curator of Planetary Science at the Smithsonian's Massoni National Air and Space Museum. I guess I'm GonNa try to describe it but it's hard to describe because I've never seen anything shaped like this before for it's like Well sort of like an amputated robot arm. You can see frayed wires. Where Pete and I'll used moon bolt cutters to chop it off the lander and even today it's covered in Fine Gray moon-dust that's why it's sealed in a glass case because it is still classified as a lunar sample so so that if NASA wants to take it back and studied again in there you know clean facilities they can do that? But this is the first example and still the only example sample of a probe that's been sent to another world where humans have met with it and brought pieces back from it. That's pretty cool. Apollo twelve was a success. The cruise precise landing proved that future targeted exploration on the moon would be possible possible they advance the work of Apollo eleven spending more time on the surface and completing more experiments but matt says they also ensured the Apollo Program would continue Tinu. If Apollo twelve had failed. That could have been the end of the Apollo program just because Nixon was very worried that there would be an apollo all of failure and that if there was an apollo failure would happen during his presidency and it almost did did fail. Nobody knows that better than Gerry Griffin. There's no doubt that twelve it could have gone either way. Could've ended up with three fatalities. Oregon ended up the way it did. It ended up going really well and ultimately that's the reason people don't talk about it much after surviving lightning. The crew accomplished a flawless moon. Landing in the end the crew is what makes Apollo twelve special. They just liked each other. They had fun with each other. And you could see it and you could hear hearing. We had different crews all the personalities a little different. But I can tell you the twelve crew was one of the most fun of all the Bunch this was a friendship that was by definition. 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Apollo 12's Really Close Call

Sidedoor

29:51 min | 6 months ago

Apollo 12's Really Close Call

"Hey their side door listeners this week. Just an I are off investigating more stories to bring you in the coming weeks, but in the meantime I want to leave you with one of my favorite episodes from long long ago a time we barely remember called last November. I. Love this story, because yes, it is about space, and it involves science in danger and discovery, but it's really about friendship hallmark. Eat your heart out. We'll be back in two weeks with a new story for you in the meantime. Be Safe. Stay cool and enjoy Apollo twelve really close call. This is side door. A podcast from the Smithsonian with support from Pierre Ex. I'm Lizzy peabody. Apollo Saturn launch control. We're now at t minus eight hours fifty eight minutes and counting. We have a new weather forecast. just came in today. We'll be a thirty percent chance of light showers. At launch time looking for. On the morning of November fourteenth, nineteen, sixty nine were not ideal for a rocket launch. It was a dark and stormy day. which I know, it feels like kind of cliche the way to start a story. It was a very important part of this story. This story is about Apollo twelve. America's Second Manned Mission to the Moon Nick Partridge a spokesperson for the Smithsonian's National Space Museum popped over to help me kick it off. The run which. Began passing through here late yesterday has not expected to now move through by launch time. However, this is not going to be a constraint to launch as presently viewed. You know still still kinda gloomy, still kind of raining, but the lightning strikes were far enough away. They weren't within the zone where you would worry about it. Hitting the rocket or anything and they were going to go. Crowds sheltered under ponchos and umbrellas at the Kennedy Space. Center in Cape Canaveral Florida President. Nixon was their. Election to be the first. President to watch. Launch walling office. Waiting. So, countdown comes. Two three to one zero. The rocket comes to life and. Love! Can't overstate the size and power, complexity and danger associated with this Brockett, it was the biggest most complex machine by some measures ever built ever right baby a really gone. Liftoff goes without a hitch. Not Bad at all, everything is looking to expand. Get lighter. Everybody's good. Bad for a few seconds. Back. Thirty six seconds into the flight. Something happens whatever. Platform. Choirs guy out. All of the systems go down of their indicators. Go Haywire. All of the warning lights come on at once. A mile in the air and approaching the speed of sound, the crew was riding and almost dead spacecraft atop a thirty six story rocket towards space with no idea what was wrong. So this time on side door we commemorate that story for the Fiftieth Anniversary of the Apollo twelve launch. After, quick break! A. I WANNA. Give you a heads up about an extra cool episode. That's out now from our sister. podcast portrait's in the podcasts most recent episode, Rapper and Actor O. Cool J talks with Kim say at Director of the National Portrait Gallery about how black lives matter and how black images matter to. And he explains why. When he sat for his portrait, he turned to a one hundred year old painting of the business tycoon John D. Rockefeller for his power pos. That's playing now on portrait's. You can find it wherever you listen to your podcasts. Let's back up. If you don't know much about the Apollo twelve mission, you're not alone. I knew nothing about it before beginning research on this episode, and that's partly because it's sandwiched between two very famous missions Apollo Eleven. BIATHLETES. In Apollo Thirteen. It kind of gets overshadowed by its Siblings Yup twelve eight Middle Child, certainly but high-achieving one. Charming the reliable one, the funny one Jan Brady. The, Jan Brady of Apollo. Missions had an ambitious goal just four months earlier Apollo Eleven, which we talked about in an episode just a few months ago, successfully landed on the moon, but missed their targeted landing site by about four miles. In the words of this nineteen sixty-nine ABC broadcast. Really Explore, he has to be able to land exactly where he wants to this time Apollo twelve would try to nail a pinpoint landing. The plan was to land right next to a lunar probe called surveyor three that had been sent to the moon two years earlier, so they thought the easiest way to demonstrate a pinpoint landing was to say we're going to land at the surveyor, three landing sites and potentially retrieve parts of the lander to bring back to Earth along with all of the moon rocks. If they managed to bring those parts back, scientists could study heather equipment aged on the moon. Within three thousand feet, or they won't have enough oxygen to safely get to surveyor and make it back that the goal, but what really set Apollo twelve apart from any mission that came before it was the crew. Were best friends. Follow tough. Act of Paulo but no astronauts wherever a better. Than Pete Conrad, and Vic Gordon and Alan Bean. Commanders and all old friends. They were besties. None of Apollo twelve crew is still living, so we talked to Nancy Conrad. Her husband Pete Conrad was commander of Apollo Twelve. So what qualities made their friendship special. How would you describe their friendship? Would wove them together was the ability to just be who they were with out. Stretching. That makes sense. Yeah, there was huge respecting each of them had extraordinary capabilities, and they each made room for each other's extraordinary capabilities. The tone of any mission is set by its commander, but Pete Conrad was far from the Strait laced typical NASA commander. Spacecraft Commander Conrad. thirty-nine of Germany five and eleven is funny, friendly, outspoken and hard as nails when it has to be, he liked to swear crack jokes and he does. He worked at five foot, six and a half inches. He was one of the shortest astronauts at NASA, but he had a supersized personality. Well wiry high-energy. Piece of work. He was fun. Chest Fun I mean. If if you ever wanted to have a dinner party and make sure that everyone had a great time, you would invite Pete Connor. He was known to be the most fun loving of them all while still being a really capable aviator. Pete Conrad I. Met His Command Module Pilot Dick Gordon or to Pete Dick. diggity In the Navy test pilot training school. They were both ambitious competitive pranksters, and they hit it off after they both joined. NASA, they spent three cramped days together in orbit an earlier mission. I guess there's really no other crucible that will ford to bond quite like that right. I guess not. But, if pe-, Conrad and Dick Gordon liked to be seen and heard the third member of their crew definitely stood apart. That was all being. Out being was just one of the jurist being. He was a bit quieter while some of the other guys were doing traditional astronaut adventure, stuff, drinking or racing cars. He took painting lessons. He was a really capable pilot, but he wasn't known to be a self promoter. Pete Conrad had been Al's flight instructor in the navy and it was pete. Who encouraged to apply to the astronaut program. He noticed that. How wasn't the most naturally gifted pilot, but he was definitely the hardest worker. He was a details guy. It NASA Pete was tapped to lead an apollo mission, but als quiet hardworking demeanor landed him at a desk, playing a support role without any real hope of going to the moon. That is until Apollo twelve signed lunar module pilot. Cc Williams died in an accident. And Pete came looking for his old student from flight school. Like the big broad brush strokes the overview, the thirty thousand foot visionary pieces. He was envisioned purse. NATTA process person. That's why he has been to join the crew because I was oppressive person. Pete knew what he could do. The NASA brass was skeptical Al was not their first choice, but Pete Conrad insisted. AL joined the mission, so you end up with three people who only each other from the navy they were. Close Lake no other crew. They had matching gold corvettes. That they would raise up and down. The causeways Cape Canaveral and they actually had like their mission assignments painted on the side. Under and command module, pilot and lunar module pilot on the side, and they would just go everywhere in these matching cars matching cars. Can you imagine? A. As far as I know, there was no mission quite like Apollo twelve. Where everyone was just? So close in so great, and it was GONNA be a great mission, but they were also going to have the time of their lives flying it. So on the rainy morning of November Fourteenth Nineteen sixty-nine, this Dream Team set off on their dream mission. which a few seconds in looked more like a nightmare. We'll get back to the moment. Everything changed after the break. Love, learning new things on side door. Here's something you might not know. The Smithsonian relies on support from people like you to make all of the research discoveries and exhibitions. You hear about possible. Smithsonian experts are addressing critical issues in the field of science, history, art and culture issues that affect us all. And you can be a part of it. A lot of people listen to side door. Imagine what we could learn next if everyone chipped in just a little. Find out how at S I D you slash contribute? that. Everything's great. Lighter. It was very nice liftoff. You know might. Don't was. This is going to be a piece of cake. Didn't last very long on the morning of the launch Apollo. Twelve flight director Gerry Griffin was on the ground at mission control. The room crammed full of guys in white shirts and black ties behind computers. Making sure everything went according to plan. He was thirty four years old, and for the first time in his life he was in charge. This was the first time that I had been a lead flight director, and was the first time I have been part of et CETERA launch. Saturn five. Is The rocket designed to support Nasr's Apollo Program? It was flashing new technology at the time, and it's still the largest most powerful American launch rocket ever built. What is the job of the flight director? Well of flight director was like the conductor of symphony. You didn't play any of the instruments, but. You had to make sure it all came out sounding right. So, when the whole orchestra instruments simultaneously went silent, thirty six seconds into the peace. It was Jerry's problem I heard some static, just just a hard static. And then I heard Pete. Conrad say something like what was that. Conrad started reading off all these caution and warning lights. I though was Oh. We're going to have to abort. I'm going to have to be the first guy that calls aboard. Of Saturn launch and his my first time. On top of being totally unprecedented Jerry Griffin knew that aborting this early in the flight would be risky. The rocket was traveling more than six hundred miles per hour and accelerating, but it was still only about a mile in the air lower than commercial airplanes why? A boarding would mean that the command module the little gumdrops on top of the rocket where the crew was sitting would need to propel off the rocket. So very violent ride very sudden hygiene forces, supposedly the rocket would get you up honor for the sheets to deploy in time to solve your landing in the water. But In that violent kind of situation, you never know whether that's going. GonNa work exactly right so. The higher you can get. You just have more time for the systems work. So the longer he could delay the call to abort the mission the better. You got to kind of swallow the soul of the panic. That's the secret is. Don't Let. The fear or the panic take control of you. Griffin took a deep breath and assessed the situation. Something had disabled the electrical systems in the command module, leaving the crew in the dark without any way of knowing where in space they were heading. They didn't have anything that. was working as to command module, so they've really were flying blind. Griffin had to figure out what was wrong fast. He got on the radio and I said. To you see? Also I was Cobb, and what stood for was electrical, environmental and Communications John Erin. The twenty four year old e Com sat across the room at mission control, and what he saw. Was this all this other Blackhawks zoll warning lights, probably eighty five percent of that hundred whites lit up by a Christmas tree Bam. It went from being perfect to a CATA words it on a second. Much possibility was to come up with some kind of recommendation of what to do. Errands monitors froze, but the values that they rosette woods is nonsensical random Kinda dopers. And I thought what is that? And then he remembered a year earlier. He was watching a ground test in Houston when the Monitor did something very similar. Nobody knew what to do at the time but John Aaron data home and studied it. He realized the problem could be fixed by flipping a tiny switch on the control panel the SCE's switch by flipping it from the normal power source to auxiliary or backup power source. They could get their data back. At the time he just thought interesting I did forgot about it fast forward one year and Lo and behold. There was that pattern was there so in Gerry Griffin s John Aaron. What you see, said Trot. SC Eat all. And I looked at him and I. Trust up my face I didn't say it on the loop, but I said what. I had never heard of the switch. SC. thaddeus own battery factory that he didn't even question it. He just said Capcom. I turn to the Capcom Capcom is the single point in the Mission Control Center. That's authorized to talk to the crew of days and I said Capcom telling him sce to ox. and He. Said what you know Se. Jewelry so that got radio. Off! Conrad repeated it. He said in sea hawks. What the Hell is that all? Sat. It was a switch that none of us had ever used in a simulation. There are hundreds of fitches an got bed. But Al Pain thesis where that is. He knew her was doubt. Thank God. Albie newer that was and he got it went. Auxiliary dead we got our Databa-. I'll being the details. Guy Knew exactly where that's which was. With the data back at mission control, they could see that some kind of charge had knocked the fuel cells off line, but the rocket was still flying on course miraculously, whatever had disrupted the electrical system in the command module hadn't thrown off the navigational system in the Saturn five rocket. Pete Conrad had a theory about what might have done it. Raping. We didn't get hit by lightning and he was right. We found out later. There were two lightning strikes. They say lightning doesn't strike the same place twice, but it turns out Apollo. Twelve wasn't just struck by lightning. It created its own lightning. Twice. How wild is that? Jan Brady meet Zeus. Think of it like this. When the Saturn lifts off, you've got seven and a half million pounds. Of Thrust and you've got a fire trailing behind it this extremely long. It I analyzed all of that heat below the rocket. And took the potential electric field that existed in those clouds. And it actually created a short to the ground in other words those clouds were primed for lightning and Apollo twelve astronauts a kind of spark. Who'd have ever thought of that I? It. It was a complete surprise to me. It was a surprise to everyone, and it was a heck of a lesson to learn the hard way because of it, NASA made rule from then on. They'd measure the electrical potential in the atmosphere before any launch even under blue skies. But backboard Apollo twelve. Only two minutes and twenty two seconds into the adventure of a lifetime. The. Crew was relieved. All other testing. J., man. Cardiac down here. I know? They started feel more comfortable. That because they were. Making jokes and giggling. They were giggling between each other. Bird. And then he got, he got tickled when Pete was afraid. He would giggle he he literally why all the way under worby? Worry about. Jerry Griffin cleared Apollo twelve to continue to the moon, and the crew hunker down for the voyage radioing well Houston. We've settled into a normal routine. They listen to Elvis as earth got smaller and smaller in the command module window. Apollo twelve after that call was one of the cleanest missions we had in the whole program. Five days later Pete Conrad steered the final descent to the surface of the moon with albion assisting him. Bob. Dole. Out. And they stuck that pinpoint landing from the Lunar Lander Pete Conrad radioed. Boys. You'll never believe it. That I the other side of the crater. Further, Yester-. Exactly as they planned, they'd landed close enough to survive three to just walk right over to it and when Pete Conrad the third man to walk on the moon stepped down from the lander the first thing he said was. Then in True Pete. Conrad fashion he cracked a joke about short legs. That may have been a small one for Neil, but that's a long one for me. During their thirty one hours and forty minutes on the moon. Pete Conrad and being gathered moon rocks installed seismometers and conducted other experiments. and. They had so much fun doing it that one Missouri griped to NASA in a letter. Astronaut. Conrad gives the impression that he is on a joyride of no significance whatsoever. Time. He was a god is to seeing. And! He had a terrible voice. Before returning to Earth Pete and Al moonwalked over to surveyor three and cut a camera off of it physical proof of the precision landing. Scientists back home were eager to investigate how solar radiation had aged it on the surface of the moon. And today. non-scientists like me can check it out, too. So you're looking at the camera, it's a television camera from the surveyor three, lander. I visited the camera with match del space. Historian and curator of Planetary Science at the Smithsonian's national air and Space Museum I guess I'm GonNa. Try to describe it, but it's hard to describe because I've never seen anything shaped like this before. It's like Well sort of like an amputated robot arm. You can see frayed wires where Pete and Al Used Moon Bolt cutters to chop it off the lander, and even today it's covered in fine gray. That's why it's sealed in a glass case because it is still classified as a lunar sample so that if NASA wants to take it back and studied again in there, you know clean facilities they can do that, but this is the first example and still the only example of a probe that's been sent to another world. Where humans have met up with it and brought pieces back from An. That's pretty cool. Apollo twelve was success. The cruise precise landing proved that future targeted exploration on the moon. Be Possible. They advanced the work of Apollo eleven spending more time on the surface and completing more experiments. But Matt says that they also ensured the Apollo Program would continue. If Apollo, twelve had failed that could have been the end of the Apollo program just because Nixon was very. That there would be an apollo failure and that if there wasn't Apollo failure would happened during his presidency. And it almost did fail. Nobody knows that better than Jerry Griffin. There's no doubt that twelve. It could have gone either way. Could have ended up with. Three fatalities. Oregon event ended up the way it did. It ended up. Going really well. And ultimately that's the reason. People don't talk about it much. After surviving lightning, the crew accomplished a flawless moon landing. In the end the crew is what makes Apollo twelve special. They just liked each other. They had fun with each other, and you could see it and you could hear it. Via Different crews, all the personalities were different, but I can tell you. The twelve crew was one of the most fun of all the bunch. The friendship that was by definition I think extraordinary, because not many best friends get to go to space together. And stay. Best friends right go in best friends. Their entire. Lives. It's extraordinary. Today Pete Conrad. Dick Gordon and Alpine are buried close together at Arlington National Cemetery. The three extraordinary astronauts. Who fifty years ago survived near disaster went to the moon. Came back. And had the time of their lives doing it. You've been listening to side door a podcast. This SONIAN own with support for NPR ex. You know what I say. Every time someone leaves us to review on Apple PODCASTS whoopie look be. Because reading a lovely review is my version of walking on the moon. Side doors made possible with help from people like you. Your generous support helps make all the amazing work. You hear about at the Smithsonian Possible. In this episode, you heard from Nick Partridge and matching Dell and they actually co host along with Emily Martin. 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HEL Performance Junior Supersport - Oulton Park 2020 Race 1

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HEL Performance Junior Supersport - Oulton Park 2020 Race 1

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S1E3: The Affair

Case Closed

30:49 min | 2 years ago

S1E3: The Affair

"I need help with your New Year's resolutions checkout. Some new audio books from MacMillan audio to help you light the fire and start your new year off right from learning. Success habits to reaching the end of procrastination. These inspiring listens will help you. Accomplish this year's most common goals to start listening and start doing go to MacMillan audio dot com slash start doing. That's macmillan. Audio dot com slash start doing. Welcome to case closed a show at the times. The dad guy didn't get away with the times the goodguys. Discover exactly who the killer is and has sometimes that's just the beginning of the story. I'm Charlie Spicer when we left off last episode Aaron core when head settled into life on the marine base in twenty nine palms, California. In the fall of two thousand thirteen she and her husband John had befriended their neighbors, the Malecki and the lease and the three couples had become very close spending most of their time together. But by the next spring the relationships between the trio would be changed forever and by June. Erin would be dead. Back in the fall of two thousand thirteen it was hard to imagine that things were end so badly. Erin, john. We're finally living together as a married. Couple excited to take on the next phase of life. But as they got comfortable in twenty nine palms. It was clear that the young couple had much to learn about life on their own author Shanna HOGAN explains. Erin. Hi, gotten a big chunk of money that her mom had dedicated towards her wedding. But when she didn't have a formal wedding her mom gave it to her to move to California. The move hadn't been cheap. But that didn't stop Aaron John from spending more, according to mother Lor. They got a new car, and then John froth. And you know, the more she's talking to like, you know, you it looks like you have been emerging of few keep this out producing. You're not gonna have anything. John also ended up buying a San rail, which is like an off road vehicle that you ride through the desert and Aaron bought clothes and makeup and stuff for the house and very quickly that big chunk of money. Started to evaporate, and they faced a lot of money problems started ringing up their credit cards. The Corwin money troubles. Couldn't have come at a worse time. Aaron always wanted to be a mom. She loved kids, and she always intended to have children. I don't think they were planning on having children so early but in January of two thousand fourteen Aaron found out that she was pregnant, and she was this really overjoyed right away. She posted on her Facebook page and announcement that she's pregnant she called her mom was really really excited, and you know at four. More cautioned her daughter that our life was about to change and she need to grow up fast. Aaron steamed ready to take on those responsibilities. John was very excited. Although I think he was more concerned about their money issues than Aaron was. But in February tragedy struck. While John was away on bass working one day. Aaron started having released of your cramps, and she went down to her neighbor as links apartment and said, I think something's wrong. We go to the doctors and at first she had wanted in the room, but they're totally like other media families. So you're going to go out there while she well, she has her ultrasound and they came back out. And I I remember when the door or they just heard I'm sorry. And I heard her crying. Again, and she was like skiing at the blank fee, and then the doctor came in and was talking to her. And she was like what I was doing everything told like that I stress too much was I too tired about everything and she's blaming herself. And then after that, we just weren't back to her apartment and just allow watch movies. She has my back. Obviously, she calls me. You know, smoking hearted for of and she wanted to be mom. I, you know, part of me wanted to go out there. And if she would've asked I would have done it in heartbe that. I also did want to overstep my found, you know, they needed that time to work together to get through it. Trust me. My husband, and I have not no children death the family. The. Can cause huge wedge between. Because you look at the other person, and they're not dealing with the way, you're dealing with the bell. If I mean, you have to be okay with the fact that people do not feel the same way. Well, Bill, and I have a little bit of maturity on them. But I mean, even people that have been married as long as Bill and thing have a tragedy to positive between them and a lot of them from the fact that people handle they way, look if you're the person you think what he did wasn't such a. Where? That's not true at all. As Aaron navigated her feelings of laws she confided in her best friend back in Tennessee. Jesse trentham? The pair kept in touch texting and talking on the phone constantly. Thanks. You. Really? I think that's another thing that pushed John les is that you just wasn't. St. was excited about he was reading. The miscarriage sent Erin into deep, depression and exacerbated the problem she and John were already experiencing in their relationship. John was upset too at the miscarriage, but he just didn't show his emotions very outwardly like Erin did. And so that was something that kind of drove a wedge between the two of them because Aaron thought that John care and John did care. He just didn't know how to show it. And so and felt that she was grieving more than John. And that she wasn't getting the sort of sympathy and support that she needed. You know, how real is it soon? The husband. When he doesn't even see it. But Nicole Lee could relate to just how much her friend was hurting and tried to help. Well, Chris was away on his deployment in Afghanistan, Nicole found out she was pregnant and also had a miscarriage. And so the way she ended up coping was seeking out comfort in this local horse rescue about half an hour away from base. This was a very popular place where many of the military wives hung out. You could sponsor a horse for one hundred dollars a month. And then have access to ride that horse whenever you wanted. You'd know you came down, and you fed it and you cared for it. And so it was like having ownership in horse without actually having to pay for the expenses of a horse Anna barn. Nicole wasn't the only one for whom visiting the barn. Brought a sort of relief. When Chris came back from the military. He was dealing with some severe issues. He was depressed. He was drinking more. He seems really sullen. He didn't open up to Nicole it all and Cole realize there was something really wrong with him. And she asked him several times. Like what is wrong? What is wrong with you? And one of the things that she thought that would help him was to take him to the rescue. They spent a lot of time there and became pretty close. The owner is Magli and Chris was actually known to be quite helpful at the horse bus queue. He fixed up fences and helped with the barn and help with anything that is Adele needed. And after Aaron suffered her miscarriage. She started going to that horse rescue more and more frequently and often with Chris and Nicole John who was never into horses. It just wasn't his thing. And so they really didn't have that in common. So Aaron started timing along frequently with the lease and going to the horse rescue. Soon. Erin had become even closer to the lease especially to Chris. As Erin was grieving her miscarriage in Chris was also dealing with. You know, a lot of depression from his time overseas, he Erin actually bonded over that sadness and became pretty close friends and Aaron found Chris to be charismatic and funny and open and someone who talked about his feelings, and that was very unlike her husband, John as they became closer and closer friends, some of their friends started notice that the relationship seemed way to chummy. We were out one day. And I think I picked up on the fact that she was giggling everything he said, my the two of them were looking at each other. And like you something didn't feel right. You know, something to her like what a like what's going on with you too. And she lives like, oh, yeah. Like, I think he's killed and all this stuff. And I like all right. You know, not my for judge your just. Thinking of care. Isabel Magli noticed one day that Chris and Aaron were sitting way too close to each other and Aaron was laughing and giggling and Christmas flirting, and it just seems like they were acting like a couple it alarmed Isabel so much that she ended up talking to Nicole leader and explaining that she thinks there's something going on between Chris and Aaron and the cool dismissed it right away. Instead, Chris was helping the young lady as like a big brother type person at the same time, Nicole was getting really frustrated with Chris's attitude news behavior around the apartment, and so it was kind of relieving that suddenly Chris had someone else that he could talk to and in a cold have to deal with that anymore. So she kind of liked the friendship in the beginning. But Nicole wouldn't like it from all. When we come back from the break, Erin, and Chris's friendship becomes something. More. I want to tell you about another podcast. You might like it's called unsolved unsolved is hosted by reporter Gina Barton at the Milwaukee journal sentinel this season, she investigates mysterious murder dating back twenty years. The victim was a Catholic priest named fryer. Alfred coons someone slit his throat inside his power school in nineteen ninety eight fryer coons was very attached to ancient traditions and even did exercises. The colorful set of suspects includes marine claiming to be a clairvoyant and a man who feared the end of the world. You'll also get to hear audio of fryer coons before his death. Learn why his beliefs and the group of people he called friends made his murder so hard to solve checkout unsolved season, three the devil. You know on apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. This episode was supported by the new thriller, the Moroccan girl by Charles coming the novel follows kit Carradine, a spy novelist finds himself recruited for a real life, espionage assignment, his readers have always wondered if his descriptions of life in the British intelligence are based on real experience with espionage. But the truth is he's no more spy than they are until an M I six agent asked him to keep an eye on a mysterious woman in Marrakech Morocco at first he's excited for the opportunity. But is he learns more about his target and her ties to dangerous uprisings? He quickly finds himself in over his head and soon the novelty and glamour of real-life, espionage gives way too much more. Sinister feelings of fear and betrayal. You can find a copy of Charles Cummings the Moroccan, girl wherever books are sold. It's available in hardcover e book and ditch. Title audio again, that's the Moroccan girl by Charles coming or click the link in the show notes to learn more. Erin, corwin. And Christly had forged a friendship bonding over their depression, a friendship, she frequently texted about with her best friend back in Tennessee. Jesse trentham? Chris she has about him before. Mainly this is planned. And then she would start on that, you know, the they got and everything in the sort of their her and do on God. I've seen the spunk. It yet. A spark that would soon ignite on Sundays all the couples would get together and watch the AMC show the Walking Dead except for Aaron who really did not like the graphic violence of the show. And so on one of those Sundays in early February Aaron was in the bedroom playing video games as all the other couples were in the living room watching the show. Chris had also had missed episodes of the show and said that he needed to catch up. So he joined Aaron in the bedroom to play video games while the other couples were in the living room watching the show, and as they were playing video games. One point Chris leans over kisses Erin for the first time. After he returned his apartment. He texted. Her was like that was weird. And but I liked it or something like that. And they started texting back and forth, and that sets off an affair between the two of them. And they're told no one about except for her best friend Jesse. In your opinion. What do you think that he like did for her? Like, what do you think that she was looking for or what do you think she meant he did to make her fall in love with them? Thank you. Well, Erin in Chris took some steps to hide the affair. They were not careful enough. On Valentine's Day, two thousand fourteen they were all at atlings apartment to watch the movie, Mulan brews, and Aaron and Chris ended up being the only two people left in the apartment at one point as Ling wakes up in the middle of the night to care for her kid, and she sees Chris hovering over Aaron on the couch. It wasn't until Don Collins night. I saw them kissing and I was like, oh my God crime who life saying do right now, everyone just like standing there like in complete disbelief like do I think from things do I just act like I didn't see this. I had no idea what to do. I don't even know how long after it was the having separate covers with the both of them. And I said, it's Chris I I was like, well if you need to bed because you're married with a child like in the cool is the type of person she finds out about your hair, she's gonna ruin your life for winning hearts and liberty like it's not worth it. I was like you might think you're in love like you're married in sixteen and told me, I know, I know I know it needs to end, and he greed to end them. For a walk with errands. I told her, but you're hurting your up start, you know, have them or looking for love somewhere else. Of like, you have me like gold line, and my face just honest and tell me I was like, I'm not gonna judge you for needing support or whatever I was like you can come anytime, but you guys need. And now the for you make any more mistakes. See, and I was like I'm not gonna tell John, and I'm not gonna tell the cold because it's not my business. I play you guys growing doubt. If you wanna confess to you what you've done. That's that's to you. Chris in Erin, both told Ashley NIA fair was over. But it wasn't. They kept texting and meeting up in secret by April, Nicole had become suspicious. Chris had become very secretive with his phone. He was always texting. So after putting up without for awhile. Cole finally got frustrated and after one night when Chris got drunk and fell asleep early Nicole took his phone took the memory card out of his phone and plugged it in her computer, and she was able to see all the text messages between Chris and Erin and Nicole woke up Chris in the middle of the night. Just absolutely furious. And they had a huge blow out fight. Chris blames the affair on his depression and said that you know, he felt like he just had no one to talk to and you know, blossomed from there. So Nicole versa. Lucien was to keep Chris away from his phone and monitored her him even more closely. So she made him go to counseling she took away spoon for while and kept hold of it and that kind of abruptly cease the relationship between Chris and Aaron. I remember there was one day she came downstairs. She was like I need to go somewhere. So can you watch Chris firm me because came from phone for whatever? And I always like why still with a man if need be. Like, I have my own child. I don't need to be. Errands friend, Jesse immediately noticed a change in her what she sad when Christoph talking. I feel like she was because I mean, even as we were just Schranz. I mean, just. Just have someone each to regularly. Just not you team her things had. The dynamic between all of the couples had shifted abruptly. Nicole also found out that as Ling had known about the affair. And haven't said anything and Cole was really furious at as long as well. And said, I can't believe that you kept this from me. So there was really a strain now between the three couples who were really close, and really, you know, always hung out together. Suddenly, no one was talking and everyone knew about the affair as Lincoln Connor, Chris and a coal and Erin, of course, except for John. Soon that would change one night the couple's gathered for cookout just a regular casual night with friends, but something was different. Nicole comes downstairs a little before she had a glass of their. She's like, I'm just thinking of you call myself down because of shaking right now, all my God. John was standing in the kitchen preparing food at the sink. She lifted me, and I can see, but she's like, shaking and. And all of a sudden seems to like Kate John. I have something to tell you Chris has been having a fair with Erin. Turned around so Saturday per second like. Like. Okay. And you could see him childlike conscious and she telling him like everything that she knows and the game and John looks. He's like can you go through and get Erin dog out our door, and she like opens the door like pigs outta out what? And he like the what I'm like. Well, Nicole just told John about the fair like everybody knows. She has she's. About leading like Ling throats like on a guy. Silence. He's gonna hate me. He's gonna leave me. Completely freaking out and. There was pardon me. Was I felt got like you want us to hundred be like if you fine. But the other part of what she's so angry. Our chief L, let's go. Aaron comes downstairs from her -partment in a big blow out fight ensues, Nicole attacks. Erin lunges outer screaming outer Cussing outer Aaron ends up running back upstairs to her apartment. John like what he's like I'm gonna go to empower for her. Can you come with me because you're the one that knows the truth? And I don't want her to be able to write me like, okay. So I had to go and sit there John asked her question, and he was like look at me and I shake my head yesterday though. Whether it was Chuka or not. She has done like, do you wanna work this out with me, and you wanna work this year over the reef like what do you want to do? So out there for like, two hours talking everything through. As quickly as it had started the friendship between the core wins Belise and the Malecki was over John decided he was going to work through the marriage and work through this both Chris and Aaron tried to diminish the affair as well and said that they had only kissed and that had never gone beyond that that abruptly cease all communication between the three couples after that they kept to themselves and their own apartments and really didn't socialize anymore. For awhile. In the coal like they kind of themselves. I believe they're trying to more things fix things. John Aaron definitely themselves, and I picked myself as well, we all kind of like stayed quiet for a little bit. And like. But everyone themselves out. Erin and John's relationship had become equally frosty. What happened to turn John after everything's out? Chris can just pushed farther away. I think you got to point where they were vote were to manage general diplom-. She ended up his couch. She didn't want to. Did she ever say that he got finally? I feel like he would be willing to stand off either. Get valid. He just kick Mets. I'm comes out like exploded. He doesn't get violent. Even if he were I feel what you. Then in June, Aaron gut surprise, she was pregnant again jar had come downstairs and was like, hey dollars meditation because you know, in good, unlike oh, definitely. So I gave him some and he's really take pregnancy. And I'm like we have core guy for me, and he's like cord to make sure. You know times. I congratulations like I'm happy for her. I know she's wanted for so long like happy for you guys. Anything thinks. Bank knows like, you know, like. He just go from joy. Like this to be icebreaker. Open my door in Hurley standing on the stair because my walked out. And then I went to contra she Graham backup scare the way from me in her apartment, and I was like, well, I kind of corner on apartment though, like I get out of it be. I never got a chance to talk the earned again. John seem less enthused about this pregnancy and more concerned about the logistics in their financial situation. And at one point he suggested that maybe Aaron moved back, Tennessee, you know, in have the baby while John finishes up his career in the military. Though Aaron was excited about the pregnancy. There was also something different about her reaction. This time around. Aaron dinner posted on Facebook. She didn't tell her mom right away. Ahrends? Twentieth. Birthday was coming up and so law was actually planning on visiting. And so Aaron told John that she was going to wait until her mom in person. But she was pregnant this time. At that point. I think her dog just finding everything and she was like I just need to get away for a while just wanna get building and just life. That awful. And that was one thing that, you know, before because you know, she things like. One morning in late June Aaron woke at dawn, she told John she was going to go to Joshua tree national park to scout scenic spots for her mum's visit she kissed. Her husband goodbye and headed off for the day. She never returned. Next time on case closed. Report for missing people were just like, I can't believe it. Performer is definitely the longest most difficult. Search I've been on. Did you ever get the indication anything wrong before she went thing? Other what? Win. Over. Case closed is a production of MacMillan podcasts show is produced by Katie Ferguson with help from Bheki Cele Stena Camilo Salazar, Sarah grill and Elissa Martino. Huge thanks to Shanna HOGAN to learn more about Aaron Corwin story. Pick up a copy of Shannon's new book secrets of marines was available at any bookstore or as an audio book February twenty six we'll be back with the new episode next Tuesday. I'm Charlie Spicer. Thanks so much for listening. 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Castle Black - Game Of Thrones Season Six Review & Recap

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1:19:46 hr | 1 year ago

Castle Black - Game Of Thrones Season Six Review & Recap

"You are now listening to castle black the blacks game of thrones podcasts and all of the realms Casablanca's created by the four all nerds team, and is hosted by DJ, Ben. I mean, Tatsiana keen Jone's Porsche Patterson our show is edited and produced by DJ, Ben. I mean. Casablanca by four nerds is powered by our listeners. Everything we do from our podcast live events website and more independently funded please continue to support us. Do our patriotic page at patriotair dot com slash for all nerds. So black. So this is the state of the nice Welsh. And welcome internet. So another episode of castle black the blackest game thrown podcast and all of the realms. It is I one of your host Tatyana king Jones, aka the three eyed raven Simone toffee Barath, the Lord of light savers and a girl has no other nicknames. And I'm here as usual joined by. That's me your boy been have the means AK eight a redemption of recon Drako yard Derian third. Blazing little Twitter fingers weighed in Walder fray. And does this bring you great joy? Okay. I don't know how Marie condo Madison. Sneaker way and say every pop culture reference ever ruled us bring you great joy bring you Rachel. Bring you Rachel. Very good wait in the water wet weighed in the Walder Frey. No. Thank you. No, thank you on that one. And there was another you said that little Twitter fingers play. Thank you. Biggest fight. Like violence. He'll put that on Twitter like a. Yeah. You need to do that. So and other ways you here is the other the third host the most important person here cause she knows the books. Oh, thank you. Hey, everyone is pushing Patterson Hearst, aka the Maistre disguise, aka the three eyed raven claw aka there is no spring in the north just going to say that and aka lady, Mary you J of high garden every time every time I like that. I love that Porsche was always committed to the singing even though my third sex right now. But we're going to work with it. That's why we're not when you know when I judging here, this is a family. I mean, unless you're talking about, you know, Rossa ferry and target area. And you know, we don't judge. Wow. Wow. The castle black pod on Twitter, which revealed to me this week a video that I did not. No, no. This is like years have ever seen. Oh, so so I before everybody jumps crazy for the people who taking it too seriously as a joke, but I've never seen this. I've never seen it you came out. Oh my gosh. Like, it was like for the red nose day thing. And I never really paintings engines of that. But I remember it was like just everyone was talking about it, and it was like on YouTube. So like, okay, let me watch it. No. I just like, I I think I blinked different my mind. I was like oh gonna not those for those who haven't seen yet. Definitely go to castle black pot on Twitter to see it. But just to explain it for those are listening. It is your girl deniers targe area in will the actor Clark wearing some questionable shambles. And quote unquote roster ha and sheen quote unquote, reggae so good luck with that. But yeah. And I loved all the reactions from everybody they were like, you know, I really thought she was the one, but maybe she should get her throat slit by aria like it went. I love the money. I love the one that was like, maybe the my kings should win. And I'm like. Yeah. But but but but kudos to Emilia for having sense of humor. That was embarrassing that being said we are here to talk season six of game of thrones. We don't have any polls this time. But that's all right. We're gonna get right into it. As you know every week. We talk about all the new characters that have been brought in. There's only one that matters. The most to me personally. And I think I think you feel the same for show. I mean, doesn't everyone pretty much feel the same. Okay. Okay. But there's a lot of movement that's happening as we talked about last season was the the Caesar situation where where John got stabbed eleven times. And we're like, oh, no what's going to happen. He's going to be back and this season. He does come back. It's so wild too because we watch him the season. And I remember, you know, the moment when he got stabbed at the indices Caesar five and everybody was bugging, and you had long wait in between five and six and then even in the first episode of season. Six he stays dead throughout the first iphone. They must've season episode two. Yeah, you're right. It's at the very end of it. And so you're still unsure of whether or not does dude is absent gonna come back or did he just suit scenes of his body lying on the table was for did they pass a body dummy 'cause they had to have? There's no way you're gonna lay that flat and still for that long. I'm like they really went to a lot to make that dummy. Look like a actual body. I dunno because you remember, you know, this is like you're shooting, you know, minute shot, so it's strung together. But if probably him lying there. Make very pale devoid of blood and all that. That's really, that's really great. Like, I cannot stay still. I don't know how you held his breath. Like, he must have been slow. What I mean, if you if you if you're just still enough while you're it'll be undetectable. Doing shots that only last, you know, twenty thirty seconds. Right. So. Yeah. John snow dead. And in Johnston returns. Well, ran closing granddaughter. I mean, you you make it seem so like regular, but that was a big deal when it happened because see your point is like am actually like the way that they. Positioned it. It wasn't like they left generally with a cliffhanger the last season that you're like, oh, then they dead. And then all of a sudden he came back. So he came back due to the magic of a woman. Yes. Did you know that is the question? I don't know the Lord of the light smiled upon him. Let's again that is still the question like what brought Jon snow bat. What are your thoughts? What are the other option? 'cause if you guys remember during that scene Mullah, Sandra. And the rest of them was in there doing the the the hocus pocus, and then nothing happened after they left. That's when John's is open, and so point who who aren't them back. I don't know. It's very interesting because one Jon snow says that he saw nothing after his death. It was nothing but darkness, and then he came back, which is sad and steer. He won. You know, kind of like that's Grimm. And then, you know, there were theories that Jon ward into his wolf, and then, you know, came back into his body. I don't believe that one. I don't believe that wind just don't say idea to John is azzurra Cy the return prints, a high return prints who's supposed to save the world, whatever from the white walkers don't believe at one. So what is it? I don't know. You know, why is John's? No, I I keep saying this, and I'll put this out there right now. Jon snow is not going to survive season. Eight of game of thrones. Yeah. I'll say that. Now, nobody returns to life on the show. It's a limited time offer every time Porsche. So there's a lot here. I think when things that the show in that episode did a lot. Wiz. They kept painting to the dire. Wolf as if they were trying to goes as if like there. Go ahead. Like, ooh, maybe it's this. You know, maybe or maybe just the wolf being there has a big thing to do with what the magic was at play like maybe within necessarily his name is what host right? Maybe that's foreshadowing who you know. Who knows he's got a window looking longingly at the world. I don't know. I just don't know it looks like it would have to be Mela, Sandra. Like, or like, the what of the light like something has to have happen to like pop them up. Like he doesn't just like reanimate out of nowhere. But then there's another thing of like they are up north. They they do reenter up there. What is that? I don't know. There's just so many different things at play here. I don't know. And I can't wait till the books maybe ever get to it. I would love to know what the good luck. I know. Right. Good luck. George aren't will bring back live, and I don't even know journals gone, but he will bring that back before he finishes another. I think he'll just keep slipping chapters out, and maybe want him chapters will be John spoiler. And that would be great. 'cause I I just want to know good. Luck are still you'd want to drop the notebook after the season is over. And how much different is it going to be from this either? Because he's gone. I think he's going to go in. I think he's going to be real mad at how far they straight from how it, and I I don't know part of me thinks he's like he's gonna be salty and v salty impacting the best way, and maybe he'll job both of the books. And then he's like, oh, so y'all really thought y'all gonna profit off my thoughts and not listen to me. He's still profited off those thoughts. Very Georgia Marin Fatou recently came out on Twitter. He was talking about how he likes to captain marvel movie, but he wishes because he's an old fan at the capitol marvel movie featured captain marvel as a dude and all this, and he's like I like adoptions that are unchanged from the source material bra have you won. Like you cash. Those checks real quick. He's got a lot of things going on. George found a lot of bass don't want all their key watching Joe and talk about it. You know, they're saying that and you like shut up grubbies grow, please. When Edison was that where we talked about the racism, which will Martin was that. Oh that was a couple of. Might've been before. If you wanna hear our real thoughts on George are in mind, cause the episode more still he still a God in psalm is, but you know, Manders from jersey, but still can't figure out how black. Medieval world, we live in island all on the on that one island little video comes up and season seven. So we'll get to that into the right now. John snow returns. He makes a boss move. That is also one of the most ruthless moves on the show and executes the people who were responsible for his murder. That's the most I come at like y'all tried to kill me. I would definitely Denzel that whole scene by straight up. Y'all think y'all gonna kill me? But would you execute Ali? Boy old enough to kill he bold enough day. But I'll eat. No, no, no because Ali tried it. I leave winched face in stuck of an like everybody else to stop them in a good. And that was like. And that was like I'm going to do what's come up right up in your face? Hi, how you doing is me Ali the guy that you were trying to train and you were like he felt sorry for me gifts is going to happen right now, if you all enough to know what happens when you shoot a negative bone arrow, guess what? But he designs on heart. He chose the stab John and the heart. He deserved him. As you say he looked at me. And I. Days. I have a mercy kill for Jonah that point he'd already been stuck up like opinion. Just like he thought he was doing my favorite. Yeah. So this has been I mean, it's twisted. Logic the same. That makes them think Jamie is a hero. This is Jamie keeps coming up in this season. But you know, we're gonna talk about them talking about that. But but yeah, I'll is dead all of them is dead. And I I agree with John's Lewis and first of all to me, this is John growing the fuck up finally and getting out of that honorable mice at least little by little getting out about on getting up out of that honorable mindset, which has led him to travesty every step of the way every time. He goes down his father's footsteps. He's always gets met with abuse of betrayal. Tra travesty as I mentioned and just all sorts of negativities. So it was like bro, you need to learn. I don't I mean, it's still him thinking of like loyalty nobility in legit. Yeah. But to but to his benefit this time, I ki- like y'all should have been loyal to me because I was your cats in. So now, you're gonna pay the price. Yes. He's doing this stuff by the rules. But all Johnson me men have been laid man. You know, I guess you just wasn't fucking with me like that. Maybe give you a chance. No, y'all got the goal. I felt like he felt like John in the back of his mind had always thought like if I can find a way to get Alastair Thorne outta here. I'm do it. But he had to be. It'd be a good way. Like, he does like you had to make sense of it. No, no. No, no. Any chance to get rid of this dog keeper before he murders you and what John? Yeah. No, no, John like the rest of it in the books. John. But maybe a merging them together. But in the book John does want to get rid of him. He knows that big of a threat if he is so he sends them off. So there's three different parts of the night's watch. And he sends them off to not east watch. But the other court or whatever and he's not a see him. So he was smart about it. Yeah. Other dumb ass off to the other one. You know, I'm seeing Adam's sin his off chapters head off on the game came. But no, no he's left on there. And then no, Nope. Also happening. This season Ramsey is gonna Ramsey. Ramsey is definitely going to Ramsey a vote. I mean, we still right to he want to. I mean, you know, what that does, you know? But we're also stipulate we can't stiff to introduction, you know, of one of the best hair. I I wanted to get all the detract out the way I. Merged again, they John snow gets reunited with his sister. You know, science gets to the north that comes up to win of. I mean, that's a winner fell to castle. Black the big reunion now day. Okay. Now rewatching the season out something I really wanted to look at because a lot of people hate songs, and a lot of people think that saunter doesn't tell John enough information. When you know, he she's like, we gotta take back winner failed. I taught family home. She convinces him to March South. But she doesn't reveal that. She has this army avail waiting to help out is she won for that. She doesn't know for sure that she has the Valentine pocket pocket though. 'cause for sure that little finger has in its pocket, and that's just not how houses where great like there's no reason why the veil should feel any allegiance to little finger. Besides the fact that they can see him nippy -lating their Lord who is the young sweet, Robin Wright, Robin, so breastfeed and Robin nine years old that. Twelve now worse still jackass still awful over here. Just like in love with what he bring him like a falcon Griffin. He was like all over here for this like fucking the fucking polka. Mom master is a king of a whole fucking catcher. A buck catcher king outta here, bro. Yeah. It's a problem. So and it's an it's you can see little finger like showing off to the the big person of the veil. Who is like the the lead. Lord. Besides Robin issues that he's you know, more than showing off right there almost has him killed, right? You know? And that's what I'm saying. Like, you little thing allows us play these little games. And that's why I'm so happy ends up like bynum in a but finally they drug it out too much and season seven we'll get there. But like I'm happy that his comeuppance comes of enjoy because he really was doing the most most. Yeah. I mean, we like I said that scene when he is threatening. That Lord is like tight casino. You said he's depending on this Pokomo master to over, you know, to choose his life or death. And he's like should we tell them about the movement? So is this your king question the sonza reveal enough and she let you know. I don't hate on her. I really think because that's the thing. She can't really trust John. That's something be people. I'm not saying each other in years. She can't trust anyone. And she knows that she's been through enough hell where she can't really trust anyone. So now he came back to life. That's the other part when people die in combat do they really come back whole, no not a game. Does that's what my man is in any in any show in any story, and every story I've known horror, otherwise when people come back from the dead. They don't come back the same does she and she doesn't even know that he's combat from. That's what I'm saying. He doesn't reveal it doesn't have that background either. So that's also plays into the whole trust Scituate. Neither of them are really telling either one, you know, but they are the best of best friends siblings. They were the ones like the ones that digging on John the most where Santa Rick. Robbed two and certain extinct because rob on that. We're the same age flip. So we're no it was even flip-flopping was just literally like what your same age to get. But I'm the actual Lord. I'm the one who's going to inherit. So you watch what you're you watch your place. That's your place over there over the club macaws. He was nice to John. But not really he was he was better than how to your point. Yeah. The rest of them. But I am Brian was always cool with him yet. So so that re- like that them reuniting you can see in John's face like when he's walking up to her. He's like. And then whenever she opens her arms. He's like, okay, we good. Because like, yeah. It's a thing. So that makes sense. And I think that when it comes up to play later whenever the finally go to the battle the bastards, and she is telling John like that night before like John's like, oh, it's time to save Rick on we can do this. She's like, I need you to understand that Ramsey's playing games never gonna see Rick. And again, if we're going to see him, we're going to see a dog chilling Emerson because that's Ramsey and John become that's her fault that John doesn't listen to her because she hasn't shared anything which on not just men like telling him things are happening. Like stuff is bad. We've ramsey. She doesn't share. So that's where that mistrust comes to play. Like, you can't have it both ways you can't keep stuff secret. And then want people to listen to you. But then also held them things and expect you to like except to move forward with whatever you tell them. You can't have it both ways. So John moves to the south to start recruiting people to help along with them. And this is the same. While we're while John moving out Ramsey is doing his Ramsey, right? This is where he feeds his. Yeah. Yes. In portions reaction. This is the season. We're Ramsey decides fully consolidate his power and feed his little brother to deluxe. Like, literally new blind. Yeah. I just wanna. And the little brother instead. But I feel like the one thing I wanna point out here is that in the books. They make a point like Roose Bolton is shrewd ban. He knows what kind of creature Ramsey is. So when he gets married, and he and his wife is pregnant the first thing he does as Maistre that his wife in the baby are somewhere or Ramsey. Can't reach them knows what Ramsey is. So this would never happen in the book universe because ball and knows what kind of monster his son is. So the fact that they did this on the show. I was like that was just again more necessarily necessarily cruelty. Like, it's just like, I mean, at least it didn't show them. I mean, they don't have to show him. You know what? Now, it's horrible. And like you said roofs in this in the show does not seem to even realize how terrible son if he gets murdered by on like a sucker. And then and then, you know, his nephew. I mean blow brother gets eight dollars. It just all terrible and once again to make Ramsey into this bigger bed. Did he needs to be because it doesn't really matter because Ramsey's gonna get finished off in a second. Anyway, so same way. Yeah. So it's like you didn't really need to have his little brother get killed to lean into his character. Take give you more. I wonder if they would just trying to top the Jaffray situation and just in terms of the horror and the level of hate that viewers had for Joffrey. I mean to the point where the actual accurate I played Joffrey doesn't want to act because he the amount of hate he getting real life. He didn't want to deal with that. Again. That's cute who played anikin that dude had to go into therapy and shit. But that's also because even when like day different though, that's the job. Free hate if I. Right. Like, we don't like you. For both of them though. But yeah, NSO annoying because by then Ramsey is already to worse. There's new can't they talked about they say most the season five showing like every time. They showed us the I'm skipping this. And I'm like, I was like I was like I have no reason to watch this torture being prolong every single episode after you spent a season making every single episode establish. How awful person is either we need more you really don't need anymore. We get enough when we get to the battle Bassus. But before we get there said John's on the way down he tries to recruit a bunch of people to his cause. Nobody's Dow for the call at all until he meets one of the greatest hair does ever on cinema. Yes. Yes. May she long may long live her name? Yes. Yes. Liana Liliana, Louisiana. Liana more months point of Bayer. I'll the only with all the rest arose. Pretty much. She, you know, her age is incredible. When she ever into books before this. I think no I mean, you know, as far as family trees go like, no news on this block. That's basically, they don't really talk about. I mean, she's like even introduced as a character yet. So this is kind of like a show special. So finally to show get something, right? But the books. Yeah. So this draw rose how she related to sell if you backtrack. So jor Mont who is the former Lord commander. He was the Lord of house more Mont he had all he only had sisters. So they have a practice there of like sort of like bringing and brain is kind of special because her family her father decided she was gonna fight then he's going to let her learn how to fight similar for aria. But more the more months they've always let the women by. So they whenever he comes. It comes time for more. Months? Have be the Lord. He does some. Oh, so he's a Lord of bear island and everything's fine. It's all his stupid effing son Giora decides that he's gonna marry a woman from I think, it's the Lantis. So, you know, the brave cities and Esso's, and she's like a rich woman who grew up with everything and she likes to be entertained. She likes to have like the riches and stuff like that. And people from bear island. They don't have that kind of money. That's not how they are. They're just like the lords of the place. So George does the worst thing, and he decides enslaved people from west rose and sell them off to slavery's in Esso's in order to ride his wife with what she wants. It all goes a crap because she ends up cheating on him and leaving going back, and he has to leave in disgrace. But instead of getting sent he gets into I think tuned tonight's watch. But instead of going and doing what he sends to do he leaves and he hides out in Esso's. So that meant means his father is now the disgraced. The person in their family, even though he's the Lord, and he has to go. He's decides that to be honorable. He's gonna go serve as the person in Nightwatch. So that's how George my mind ends up being the commander of the night's watch. Whenever the story begins gonna is Liana is so Giora, the joy, the command look communities of Nightwatch. His sister ends up becoming after him. She's the one who becomes the lady of bear island and she has three daughters for maybe four dollars, and they're older and the first two or three are pretty are older. They're battle-ready two of them at least go into battle with rob and possibly die in the book. We don't know was kind of at least one of them is still alive. But only we're going to see that in the show and possibly lie on or Mont. There is a fan theory that she might be tore Mons daughter with the lady of bear island. What the what? It makes sense. Why she got so much cloud down on the lean. Yes. That actually would be fire and make it more realistic of washing has more sense than everybody. I wouldn't want to make her related. That's like that's one thing for it becomes too many. And also I want her to be dope on our own. On our own who's a Tope due to? And then if I Otis rush, she got no, the honest is bad ass. She don't need. No Wilding bushido need. None of that. Well, God Lord father. She's still for mom was no, great beauty. I doubted. Don't my mom was warrior. She was straight up a killer. And I'm strata peculiar all that. Fluffy talk. You bring it over. Here is bullshit don't bring that around here. Let's get down to brass tacks. I loved that was the one that got into her because I'm like, you can see how much he like really respected like lady Charene like he was like, you know, you got some no hair is like an individual and like her like she was like a little girl. But he's like, oh like, I can see you. So whenever he's you know, he sees the kind of probably the same sort of spirit and her that he saw in serene able to relate to her and gets her in a way that was really sweet that he's able to have like that like relationship that he had with Sharon. He's able to use that in something that he really wanted. Leeann turnaround is a Capra corn through and through claiming her. Deserves the MVP like the Kevin Durant you to real in via because like he saves standards with iron Bank. He saves John with, you know, lady he saves John again with an areas later on this duty is the MVP like he is the best, you know, hand out of the whole series. I think. Yep. Yeah. Bill besides Thailand. But when has his own personal things at doing continue? So, you know, John lady decides to roll with John Bianco they getting down to there. So I guess that leads us right into the bid battle of the season. And to me, we watching it. The best battle shown so far on the show the battle the bastards is fucking incredible. I remember when the episode aired I- rewatch ride again immediately. I watched it several times. Always message for me. Then Wade is episode shot. Attention. That's established d just everything you just feel like John is trying to take that ill. And that's a question. I had that is also the car star. Who's also involved in this bottle? Right. Best to dude who Robson sent away. Who were they left after rob killed his dad? Right. Yeah. And then he joined up with the Boltons, you know as in. So we see Lord car stark. And this battle him in. Hormone get into it. It's that shit like that that scene where John pulls out the sort out the sheet, and there's just Lynn's upon thousands of bodies coming for him. And he's just like I'm here like he said his stood his ground. I'm talking about standing your ground. My God like that was one of the coldest shots in the series. Yeah. I was like the like all the like things that I've had John. I'm like, you know, nothing. Jon snow like that moment. I'm like this is what John is for. Yeah. He really did. I I mean, John. Why don't if he wishes battle selfish who will he was ever all the time? Because like how who what is he whenever he's not in battle. I think he's like he does. He got played right there and shot up to via Yankee one of our Twitter followers. Who asked if Rick on wasn't busy crushing nuts. Do you think he would've learn how to Bob and weave, and that's that's reference to reconquer running in a straight line idiot net. Stocks dumb ass kid when Z lets some go and draws John out into the battle. So he can get caught out there. Like, you said before no. Brick could could've never crushed nuts. And he still have gone like, I mean, that's the thing. That bothers me. I mean, this is not history Jack during a book either. But the fact that he's like he's with the numbers. The numbers are probably be one of the most loyal writer DAI houses for the Starks. And then for the is brain gum back like, hey go, and here's his dead dialup head two dollars. Remember, so fewer member? And I was like I took away. They were given to give him. But how did so have you had to take note of this this because I was like I remember being that being a big question in my head. And I I do this recap this re like start washing. Again. Let me make sure that I look out for how did this happen? Is it in the narrative, and I think what season assess five whenever they split from brand and his party. He's like you should go to either the major leagues or the numbers because they're loyal to the Starks and they end up going to the numbers. So that's so OSHA and Rick on they whenever they split off from brand and Mira. And then whenever they go up north. They decide they're going to go wander and go see the numbers and stay with the numbers. So they've been staying with the numbers seen for the nut last week this happen. Happen. Whenever they decided they were going to split going. Then. Yeah. You don't remember? They were in the forest the three I raven. And they were like, okay, we it's not safe for us all to be together. So Mira Joe Jane brand in hauteur all gonna go to key into new the journey to find a three eyed raven, but OSHA an Rick on they're going to go somewhere else. And they decided it's going to be with the loyal people to the Starks when that's the major leagues or the bears. Red shirts. Go elsewhere was badly end up getting captured and delivered end in. What a moron like who gets? First of all who believes the when your cap is like, you can go ahead and tell your brother knowing that he's a psychotic S, and then for you to be given quote, unquote freedom, and you run in a straight line on this disappointed because he goes to the numbers, and and like they're supposed to be like a lordship right there. Be have noble house. Do whenever you have a ward your posted teach them how to fight like the guy from the veil is teaching sleet, Robin, like he's used sweet Robbins like doing EROs, and he's like this. He ain't got nothing. But like Rick on like he has already started like fighting a little bit. Whenever like the story starts. So he should have been able to have some sort of training by that point. So it doesn't it doesn't make any sense. Like he should've been taught like baby if you've got pushed out a moon door, he'll get superpowers. But there's no like at the same time. There's just no hope firm. And we've all you went to mail. Putting he was he was gonna die. I get that mad at you haven't shrive. Trying to say your life is why can't be mad at like at all. Sohn's because once again, I still like I I don't put the dumb ass kids tag on. All I'll put it on the male kids. I I still put it on. Okay. So are you don't move Saint. They all made it slower the lower degree for me. I has always will stand. Are you no matter what? But she still part of the overall. Bella nets dumb asking just she just don't get it as hard as I'm gone and the rest of them. I'm not sure if all your sons of which one I rate highest I high higher isn't better. Are you? First of all, we don't get into it. But we'll get into it. Okay. We're gonna right now signs mates. Her bid boss move. A like I say, I don't blame her because she fucking tells John like several times doodo notice dude, don't rush in don't do what he asked talking out. John Ramsey Johnson's there at the meeting beforehand is like yo we're going to bring him in. So we can do the pinch for move as soon as dumb ass brother gets murdered. What does John do ran out of here? And then his army has to follow him day. Get Pinson day get caught out there. Everything is lost into assigns brains. Innova? All right, and one of the dope is shot show. Sonson little finger set up there like the bosses the mail of charging. Yes, he them horses. And like, you know, tormented already said, you know, we know what Calvary does to people on foot. We've already seen standard says Calvary run through Ramsey's forces already engaged they pulled an ill move. But they're hardy engaged a win the veil comes in on the horses. It's just. It's a it's a bloodbath. You. Hot knife through butter style. Cut them dudes down Ramsey sees all this. And it's like you. As quiet. Tries to run back to winner fail thinks that he can save himself because he's like, yo, you know, they'll have to do a seed's. Now, we're good. We got the castle forgets that they got a giant one one one one comes in bust down the door. One one. Another questionable move. I Ramsey though, shooting one one in the I instead of shooting John like, I didn't get that one. I did not get that at all choice. He had the choice. I mean, if you're gonna die no matter what may as well. Take out a giant. No, no, take up boots. It's of everything. But if they're about to die, you're gonna die like it's not gonna it's not gonna be your benefit. No other Bolton's will ever live. Like, you're going to die question riding the side of Ramsey shoots. The arrow at one one finishes them up then challenges Johnson a battle that you know, the one on one fight get served. They had a dance matter. Trying to Redan. There was a little dance faced gets the fist to the face. John realize of I can't kill this do because this is saunas kill kill, right. And inside the decide for style increase which was a witch when I gave her props. I mean, I I gave her a little profit four. But this was really the problem because I was like you finally thinking like a strategist you're not thinking like a dumb ass kid. And again, this just bothers me when it comes to the book, and the way they are translated the TV because it's like they're supposed to be dumb as kids, but you are eighteen fucking years old like grow up, you are in a battle of your life every single day. So I was glad that she she she stepped up. You know, you've been chased the hounds then. Yes, he woman man was the end of Ramsey eaten by dogs. It was a fitting did you think of the fitting death? I there was a question on. There was a note floating around on our Twitter on a castle black Twitter that they didn't think that. It was good enough. If I'm not mistaken. Wouldn't you want him drawn and quartered? Like who like he's the last flare who's gonna flay the last plane. I read the whole question country. The first of all thank you to John Aaron aka Lord of the Vale, John writes, what did you guys think of Ramsey's death row in the battle of bathrooms? I don't think it was sweet enough to be honest. This man is a spawn of Satan. I want something much more than just his own dogs turning out him and eating him alive. As more of it as that sounds do. You all have any previous ideas of how debts should go prior to the airing of his death. Thanks. I'm a huge fan in the show. You could think my boyfriend were that. Thank you. You guys are great. And please keep doing what you're doing PS Porsche. You are the best girl. I love hearing your comments every episode because we share some thoughts. Yeah. I was actually talking about this. Because I thought it was you know, gruesome and horrible. And he deserves today, but once again, this show trades and gruesome and horrible and it site, even though that's Ramsey's torch at all the people that you're still seeing more torture. You're still seeing a man eaten by and I I'm not, you know, I'm out of torture Olympics person. I thought that was I thought it was fitting new, and it was a poetic conclusion, and I was good with it. I thought and I don't like this thing. You don't. It's like, okay. I wanna see something more horrible happen to this man because he already did all his home. I mean, how like how much worse can you got eaten alive? My guy shot like they show the dog. Is some vicious fear. You are alive when it's happening you screaming targeting this walking bench. The only way it could have been any enhanced would be if f. That sounds us still had her dire with or as like ghosts jumped in on Energie cow, die wolf. Right. So it's just like a. Funnier dies. You got the dogs. Then die will jump dragging. Don't. Hey. He's every hour or something, you know, saying like, that's crazy. No, like, I say, I don't think you can there's no way to you know, out grime someone to make up for the grime to somebody else did and that scene is chilling signs of walking away smiling. You hear this? From my. Go silently, oh, also you the characters right? Like, it's not going to be who in this stark household was sitting here thinking about ways to torture people. Right. Like, it's my within their character to be sitting here like weapon plot this whole time. And I know the exact way to take him out like no that wasn't going to have. So so John Aaron we do not agree with you kidding Donayre. However, we respect that she want him as bapti way. But no, that's pretty grimy. Across the cedar season. We can get over there. We got a. Yeah. You know, the nearest who has been running auction by the doctor Aki, and once again finds herself taking L, let's finding me the fact that drug I left her s there it was like all right? Again. It's like you cut. It just move me somewhere else. That's a little safer. But no you put me in the middle of the meadow. Where he is writing. I felt like he was again like we talked about how he is like he was hurt. So I, but I think it is. I think it's funny that he was hill. And so they they came and got it. I don't know. But they him chain muscle wander far enough where bardo you but far enough where Joe gun was seen by the writers strike that you out. Oh, it's like did. They how did they not see her dragon? How are they not like, oh, maybe we should not care about this. Like, I don't know anyway. But he was hurt. We could dyke drop me off by McDonald's. If I'm like come back once you heal up. I was like, okay. So once you healed you're gonna just thin, right? Like, you're gonna oh I since that's your here with these with these calls. Ours was just no. So doggone leaves her s in the middle of the four. I'm not before with the metal whatever the rocky ride up and be like what up bitch. We actually it's hard you and take our captive again. Which again, I have to add is also just bizarre to me. Because isn't this the same dot the rocky that saw her walk out of the fire? No, no, it's okay. Might have been a few of them emerge in kind of go. They own thing, mostly new dot BRAC. Okay. So they don't know about her history. Oh, but they don't give a shit to already might not believe it. It's actually not believe you not giving. No. I don't believe. The whole night shift part if you know something happened like that happened and someone told you best that they be. That's what they most of them say like most people, they're like, you know, if they heard that story. Like, right. That sounds. White walkers dragons for man who nobody believe it. So they're like, okay. Whatever bitch. You know? You are coming with the rest of the calisi. Who's drogue owes died? I mean cows died. You gotta go to the vast marine is that where it is the city a rocky and join the rest of the widowed. Kelly sees in the temple right where she's been before she gets locked up there as interesting to once again, I'll watch the making of after each episode, and they talk about how they don't really they kind of show pity on her. It's not like they're like, yo, you know, bitch. Please. Like, this don't happen shorty. Yeah. And that was a dramatization by me. They were like, oh, you not supposed to be here. We need to put you in with the rest of the year. But even the rest of the widows are like they're not like pay. A handful on their more. Like, yo, you know, you we've all been through. This all thought we were going to conquer the world in ankle go down like that. Now, this is your fate. And she's. Who I am? Yeah. When people are saying that you that you don't fuck with and your dislike. No, I'm the master of my own. So I understood how dinars was just like, well, I don't care what the fuck out talking about. I'm outta here. I'm out here. So, but that's a like, but I have dragons to she has she feels like she has more agency. And I and I think that's kind of the stronger piece of this that perhaps at that point those widowed Kelly C, they don't believe they have the agency anymore. I mean, they knew so there's a difference between like Danny and like the previous police he's because they're like for him as much as we know they are they were born in calicivirus their our life. They've already know they've always known what happens to the Kalisa whose companions die. They know. What happens? So they've been relegated to that. That's their culture. They know what that is. They know that she's a foreign polic-. So they're like we understand that Jesus you're not used to this. But we've grown up knowing this. This is what we knew I knew. I got emerge myself with this man that if he died over for me to and this is what happens, and I've accepted this. And this is where we are. You just need time to accept this cultural difference. Yeah. Danny is now. You don't know who I am. I don't Danny was very apple care told me she showed up. Okay. What I'll do a young coach. But. So Danny plot. Since teams and waits for the bid moment when all the cows have gathered in the temple and are decided her fate, and basically tells them what it is they laugh off until she starts join car to car. She pushes them like this you just like push. And then she's push. And they look like this lady literally over here burn everybody and this building because she knows she good. Yeah. It's like it's like what terminated to the T one thousand show up. I'm still eating. I'm still I'm here bitch. And what I love. How is once again that moment like the sweet Valerian moment where she puts her hand onto the brazier that is fire know wanted to tell. Like, wait a minute. She should be burning outcasts. Not right. All right about the situation. Did she pushes it over cuts? These fuckers walks out completely unhurt. And now has the dolph bracket all of this this sect of of that rocky now know who she is all of them. That's most of them Nassar's like so ninety percent Adolfo. Now, they all really know what the deal. Okay. So ninety percent. I mean, maybe ninety nine whatever most of this is like all the cows are gathered for this big event. So she took them onto her control marches off with all these dudes right drogue on decides to show is after the fact. Shapely? But I understand he's he's all, but he's still trifling. That's a thing that I forgot like I forgot I should mention is like whenever we were talking about last last season when he shows up at the great pits where this like everyone's fighting, and they were all right. Doug sends heartbe were brought to like kill everybody. Joe gun is all the dragons are for strangely attracted to the smell of like blood and fire since that was that's what it was. That's what happened in the council as well. Like, he's like who never he smells blood, and like he like a big a big massive it. He like, oh, you he's not even we're really not giving a fuck about Danny? You told me was like, oh, you just happen to be here. Right, right. That's what that shit with me. Like Irene job is like, yes. He is connected to Danny like they do have like slow whenever she sits at the top of the pyramid. One day. Like that's legit. They do have connection. But at the same time, it's extremely easy to attract a dragon vicious a bunch of blood and fire somewhere. Okay. So Danny Tate, drug on and her bracket bat to marine where Masan day Tyrian Ray warm have been struggling to keep. Back at this labor. Right. So I I is tearing as he really is in his own way. And I really was annoyed. But like I felt I felt the triumph of Masan day in grey worm. Whenever he like finally, you I had to like learn this lesson which they'd been on him and flake and any like prison of color, who's been telling people something like he was like, oh, I made this point with the slavers, and we're all like in. And we're all good is peacetime. And they're like, you really don't understand. He's like, I was a slave. And they're like dude like dude don't dare slave is three years older white on this season. He really does. I too have suffered. This. We this is once again oppression Olympics when we say that you have whites. What does the white privilege? We're not saying that you don't suffer. We're saying that you don't suffer because of your whiteness soul. Tyrian dear you're not the same at all not at all. So the slavers have returned to the bay. And our bombing the city down with all kinds of attacks. The mayor shows like what what y'all been doing my towns. And so I think it out. Right. Dog. I brought back and army. What have you all been doing? Team of y'all have done nothing. Danny's basely, Janet Jackson. What have you done for me lately? Like, what is this pretty much shows up and another one at a shows greatest scenes of all time meets up with the slavers at the top. And you know, they're like wolves Tom surrender. And she's like, no, we're not here for my surrender. We're here for you'll surrender. And what's what's with all these people just talk in Brazi to her life? Oh, they say. Guest, right. The collar that she ran, but these should. Okay. So they just wild whole speech run their light. And the dragons underneath the great pyramid will be executed, and you do it. Toot is left her dragons in the pyramid. You knows. She sees the hearse as getting bonds. And you think oh, she still her dragons down there. I mean, we're gonna just kill them. Yeah. Like, but who's trying to destroy like they going, right? You can't just walk a minute. Yes. Yesterday chained up, but they're not saying. Not change away. Here took them off the shame, right. So just down the down. But they know again, they're not though because Danny's not going to just leave her. She's is what's about to be battled time. You think who leaves dragon out of a battle, correct? So they just thought like once again their ego was I always wanted to fight these dragons for some reason after having seen one dragon slaughter all these people. To kill these dragons after USA, remember? And that's why house way for them. All quiet as drug on chose back up freeze his brothers. And they go to work quickly on one of the biggest slave ships. Burn edge went to war nothing in less than seconds. The slavers realized they failed their army abandons them. They get murked out, Danny resumes, control of marine and everything else. Does she get a whole well with later, but she ends up getting a whole naval fleet within the name. We've been here we finish up Danny story because JARA who but I guess to get yard. We gotta talk about your on. Yeah. Yeah. Well, full jar, great, joy, and beyond grades ROY have fled to marine because you're on joy ankle has shown backup on the iron aisles a fucking clan. You're on seems to be with the show on earth creators or positioning to beat a big bad for season seven and eight how house way I just the most trifling hype of all hypes like talk about height bee's, y'all hype up this man to be Ramsey times Joffrey, plus white privilege divided by you know, like horror, and he wasn't. First off. You're not gonna convince anybody that anyone from the iron islands is the big bad. Let's just not gonna happen. You know? Yeah. And recipes to deadly diva who definitely said that you know in books, you're on might have magical powers on a bunch of other bullshit. You know me. So the best thing urine has going for him in the books is his reputation 'cause I mean, and they mentioned this in a book, but they don't they don't expound on. How like this is what his skaters reputation, so he legit. Like, you know, how I said before like the shy where most Andre probably got her powers for him. And all that stuff. It's like a dead city. Like, no one goes there because it's just like mysterious and like everything dot rose there. So everyone in west rose knows that it's creepy place. They don't f with it. They never tried to. But Yaron makes a point to go there because that's the only place that like actually will trade with iron islands, and that kind of way. So he goes, and he has his bad boy reputation because he's the only person from Wester. Oh, so to go to the shot by and he like these in show that he went mad at one point while he was on his ships. They tied him to the mass. Whenever I remember that left. He stopped going mad. They tell them down, and he cut out everybody's tongue. Right. So you're on has this like rep of like if you serve. With him. Then you are like not like your your frigging like you're kind of crazy or like, you're kind of out of it because he will like he looks at your tongue like automatically. That's how you get on his boat. And they are like they are really big for like raping and pillaging, that's urines whole vibe. So it's like it's not even like he's like this big big bad. He's just like a pirate water trying to hide them on. They try to make it like he was the biggest thing. The best thing is is not sorry. He comes back to the on ends and forces theon in yard a flea. Take control over it tells that he's done to build the iron fleet backup and offer to Danny. But your at Dion get Danny I with their little bit of ships offered themselves. They joined any Danny now has a fleet riots bracket has the unsullied has three dragons and ends this season. Finally crossing the sea to get to west rose finally Mina. Lee Lord have mercy aright this in speaking. And have a mercy the gods. Must be crazy because. Yeah, other you know, I mean when you're talking about what to death and you talked beside like twenty people who died the season got hundred one. One hundred one boy telling you, the left and right. I love like this season is like like nine set of like having a bunch of new characters except for the one that matters. Like, they're just like, oh, this is the season where we're going to just like cut all of these like exponential. Is that we're doing like, you know, like doing all these actors anymore solution? Solicitous left and right people off. And then I guess we'll get to, you know, seriously in our antics last because I we gotta talk about the other bit deficit season. Oh my gosh. Hopefully, hold or my height. Like, I can't even I barely could watch that episode like it was real tough, Emma, so hard. Yeah. He's been doing a lot just they went back to the point. Well, not back to the point. But when brand ward to see the past, and they showed hold or coming up as a kid and everything that he's gone through. And then just the way that they made that story the connection to why he says hold or and and says nothing, but hold or and why his presence is what it is is. It was I wanna use the word 'sad. It was tragedy is a big Greek tragedy super tragic or has to live his life. You know, he's seen his future pretty much his whole life. And he knows. Knows with trauma. But he can't you know, do anything. But he does he even right? So this is my I'm like he knows his time. I saw it episode. I'm like, this is straight from the dark grim mine of Georgia Martin because he named his character or knowing that Lee would see that there's some different things where he was set up like the night king takes he the night. King says number not night king of blah. The ravens says the brand it's time that you become me where does he take brand, but to that point in ho doors life slash Willis. Because it's real name is Willis takes him to that point in his life. And he so the raven knew that in order for brand to live that they would have to warp the mind and destroy the mind and set this person up for death, right and the pernt present. So it was just like he was set up. From like teenage years to be sacrificed himself, we found out like in the flashbacks, we city that like he's basically the same age as like the youngest of the stark brother, like he's like he's a little bit older than what is the one that. No, one knows still code hands crab binge. He's like he's like a little bit older than bench, and he's like between like and like. Yeah. Leon stark or whatever. So he's basically like an uncle to all the start kids and yet he's and he's been tasked to carry around brands and see lost his ability to walk, right? And he's like been on this journey with this kid. He's like sacrifice time and time again in brain wards into him and used his body. And if so many different things he doesn't understand what's going on. Yeah. And the last time he understood what was going on. He saw his death. That's what I'm saying is even seeing his death. Does it again? I feel like it's the bliss part. I think that he like he's easily scared by things, and it might be because part of his mind comprehends like this could be something major. This could be the end of it. But I don't think he actually understands and that hold the door door like, oh, my the validation from Fulson instructor into whores harbory. Oh my gosh. Like that episode that part I just want. I'm like, I don't even I don't even wanna see elevate. Let me skip a little bit one hour. Do you want to talk about is that the dire was how they're taking out this season make me so mad? But before we get to that can we let me just talk about the whole thing. Because I think I saw a tweet once Georgia Armar and even said that someone had figured it out because someone came up to him at a convention somewhere. And it was like used to be an elevator door operator. And you heard people say hold the door hold the door over and over again. Oh, so yeah. George was an elevator operator. And so he's identify you name this tariff our ho- door, but he had figured out that hold or would have to actually hold a door and all of that. But he was like that's you hear an hold it hold it over again. That's why you name the door, and George was like fuck, you know, that was the closest anyone ever came to getting it. But you know, he he's like to do it put it all together. That's that's annoying too. Because right after this episode, aired people were cruel, and they printed out pictures of hauteur and put them on the door close or they ends. And having to me where I was working. So mad. Nor stops that say hold on. I asked if I'm winning gift, and I was like, no, no I wanna see that every day. I mean this year the jokes are funny when it happened that does more fun than watching this again. I was like, Dan. That's not funny. That was a character death that hurt. Like, I was like, ooh, that's that's major because like you said that and that last shop a whole door hold the door. Hold a door to door. Hold too. In just a black again like come on now. And the way that those whites were just like they were like so jumpy they were just so they were on everything they was very just it was lying, and they're one of the worst zombies I've ever seen like how do you even f with that? Like, I don't even twenty days later zombies. So whole door. You know goes out rest in peace saving brand fulfilling his destiny, basically. But definitely one of the grimace sad is moments in Damodar owns in Fitch, and in general like that. Yeah. Yeah. That join up there that that's the top ten. I I just could not imagine living my life. Whether I you know, maybe I knew but knowing that I'm just a tool for someone else's story. Yeah. Like, I'm literally, you know. And it's interesting that it wasn't a woman that they do this. Do they usually do this woman whether just story devices? Yep. For hold to really be purely a story device in really nothing more. When you think about it? That's new out. It was cool. It's rough. Yeah. But the die was. Yeah. So we get Ricken's delivered with his head cut off like a hook through. It. You dumb ass owner. Check it on track your dog. Never, you know. He didn't ask for that. SME named shaggy dog. Scooby dire. Wolf he didn't ask for the one stark sibling that he could assigned to that can't away. Oh my gosh. So shaggy dog goes out who else grows out the season summer days that was the dumbest that was the worst that I went down with me Beth. We we were there in the summer got eight but the summer like some J was like barring his teeth keeping them for coming closer. And then instead of like, you know, continuing to like guard brand like keeping an eye on one where they were he jumps into the, and it's like why you basically like I remember people talking about like, okay? So HBO didn't want to pay for the. Thank all, the frigging diva's keep dying, and he's really dumb, ways and half of them are still alive in the books. And I'm like, I need you to understand that they have like is magic to see darva. If there's magic in them. There should be more to the story. And we're just writing them off left nightmare even shows up. Right. That. This song about that. But myriad versus shaggy dog. Like come on poor Saginaw almost be like damn like he must be in his like for real this name nightmare. You name sad. He dog. Summer their names. Get killed Mary Ozzy has the best name. Yeah. It shows up seize aria, and it's like deuces dog like. I mean, you're kind of considered her like I see that you're that you're left. Her that, you're left shore. She consider MS my whole thing because the connection will always be. There was always there. And then maybe it was like, oh, you want some other shit. Now. There'll you heard you, Stephen. And I'm out, but it's more than nine Maria's on some other stuff. She's like, I have a whole pack aloof. Right, right. I see that you maybe you want to be my friend. But I've got a thing on let that go. She see that are doing things that I'm doing down like yo Daf, you hope you good friends from high school, right? Oh, hope you good at me, which you know. And that's how I feel and I to your point. I think she just considered her acknowledgment. And also by that point was that was that after Arias says she was definitely going to renounce well her way of being a faceless person. So. I think that's absolutely mid-season. When she went is that is in the early next year. Yeah. But I also thought that Walter phrase death was next season like the first step aside. But now's this. Is wrong. This season. I was so I might be a little confused on that one. I can't remember. No, no, no. I felt like I open that actually opens Walters. Deaf is the opening of seven it is. But she does kill it. Like she does serve him the pie of his sons as the episode in this season. Yes. So it's like so that all that merchants. One in my brain. So I still have to like when I start doing my recap of seven I'll like remember better. But I think that like one thing about the like aria in Nigeria is that like when she's in the faceless men when she's the house will black and white. She goes to that trial where she's blind, and they are speculation that she's only able to come out of it because she was able to walk into a cat. That was nearby. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, not in the show in the books. But but she's, but that's the thing is that everyone else all the other Starks. They still have their Dr Wolff dreams, and they still like wargin to things like the only show you in the show brand doing it. But at John does it what's goes everyone else does it with their darlas. So it's really weird that they show us Nigeria in our meeting again. But they don't give us anything of substance their budget. Yeah. That's the thing. Like, I noted on both all to start children are wards, and they pretty much abandoned that idea in the show. So no are definitely, you know, spend some time blind season gets her asked about a wave finally serves the wave. There's also another theory that the wave served aria right there. And we're watching the wave this whole time. I don't believe that. That would be amazing. The way does not don't so one of the people on Twitter at snitch on these. He asked about not an I'm sorry at Tia a one six. Asked about the way story. What's going on there? Is there a reasoning behind? Why she's treating are your that way? Like, what's the bigger picture wants to be with with higer are by herself. Like, she didn't like I felt like she just never really fucked with aria. So what's with the realty? So book Cuevas whole different person. Look life is just is decent and teachers are you what she needs to teach aria, and she's a decent person. I think in this one I feel like the wave is hard like he's ING fives. Yeah. Like, I feel like the wave. It's like how dare because she knows that aria 'cause I'm like a noble house, or whatever she resents that. She's like, how dare you take this girl who she doesn't even like this house was built by people who were formerly enslaved in. You're going to let them know. We'll person come up in here. They can be one of us. Like, oh, if that's what's going to happen. Then I'll make sure steetch really ready. And I think she's just using her face through the TV waif is she's just someone who's ready to Hayes. Are you are has enough at that hazing and serves TV weight and hate that face to face. And then tells Jack Mon. I mean, my man has known as a butcher. Does. John. But yeah, she told them my name is aria house of winner fell. And I'm out and I'm out and waiting on. He love. Smirked? But my thing is after all. All that training. And all that. Yeah. Yeah. He was talking. He goes. Okay. Well, I guess if you're out you're going, I folks. Vibe that he legit was just like he knew that. She was only here for like to like learn all right have heard journey, and that he was like, you know, I feel like it's to whatever the faces Maine's agenda is it's their advantage as she goes back and serves people in west rose, they're like as long as it serves urgent and they're like, I don't care. We can't train Harry, we'll teacher with poisons. Or like, we couldn't teacher wasn't murder is like we can let this all happen. And we can let her go her about her Mary way because it serves our interests. And it's fine for me drop. We have all right Ari levels level. The fuck up. After all of that leveled up and she got needle back like. Do nothing but wins for aria. And speaking a winning, you know, as we finish this episode up. We have to talk about the big boss lady making the bid boss move of all. And you know, like I say during my rewatch, I've I'm still Jamie is the hero to saga. But I've started at the septum, sir. See is the worst. And this is yet another of hurt. The worst moves is such a boss move. But then at the same time she s it all up because she blows the set to holy hill. Look, how can we talk about how we got to the point of the dumbest fun at that point. Like, she was supposed to have her trial whatever, and they had brought back the the mountain, and he was his ambi- killer south, and she had with him and told she just knew that she was going to beat her case because they were going to do a trial by combat head. Come thomond. Brainwash? Actually, I think it would be good. If we do away with trial by combat and like you. I understand and Thomas Dan manipulated this season by the set, but his his selling out of his mom is kinda like. I don't think no comment wasn't didn't realize he was so his mom. He just thought he was one. Yes, he was being manipulate. But he thought he was making a p making a greater good. He was just like top cop. 'cause remember they made a see my comeback is so barbaric, and all this other stuff we shouldn't have. But that's the thing is they keep showing the faith. Militant the ones with all the weapons and stuff the keep showing them like being ready to fight. And every time Tomen goes saying gauged, they show up and he's like so he's gotten to the point where he's like, I don't wanna see new violence. Like, yeah. I don't you know, it's not been working for me. Every time. I try to show up with violence. They are ready, and it's. So so he's like oh. So if it's like from me, then it's not gonna work for anyone else. We may as well just do away with it Thomas off and that looking at the bigger picture. He deal does does away with trial by combat which you know. That's that's the search see this may she can't use her Gregor in that way. But fast forward to the point where she has this mother master plan like well, if I can't get out my trial by combat. How may get out get out, and sir, the we we knew it was hinted at before that they're restores of wildfire about the city, and I think the ball fire. That's it is don't come back and sees an eight that was I thought that was all the all. No, no, no. Let's let's be clear. The Matt put it under the whole city. There's still stores wildfire. Oh, there's there's differences. Right. So -tarian for a few. Remember blackwater only did ask the pyro man stares to make more by the parliamentary off, but they also went and picked up the ones that were in other parts of the city. So they were reused they were like, oh, we're going to we already got this cash on the go bring it over here. So they already use a good amount of the ones that were there for the Matt games. So you don't know. So you're saying those other stories. Saying it may not be I feel like if there's any wildfire in season eight that's going to be fresh made. It has to be new firstly cuts. Bring down a whole building. Like this. Like, you know, how much is. I mean, how much they use just for the battle blackwater versus how they had to use to bring down an entire. A lot of those. Yeah. Four y'all. So yeah, they they use most of it up. But so your point sorry, we keep we keep interrupting you. She brings down the set brains down to set and one of the biggest boss moves on a show. Margery Tyrell is up in there. The rest of the Tyrell family the whole era, Lena except for. Sparrow, Spero and his whole massive Orlando who landfill Lance, Lance. Oh, man. Well, he's the one. This is up in Coachella festival up in there. Everybody up in their search. He stays home keeps Tom and home. And I love that Marjorie was like. Seriously. Right, right. Were you? When they were tying it was so funny because she was looking at everybody around her. It's like us like you in this room. You don't even remind me. It's like a red wettest situation, you sit in a room you like what? Let me. Where's the main one who we here for? She's not even here, bro. Mind you as you said, sir sees up in the cut looking at a window drinking wine that why why having a blast and she's done doing her little smart? And then pour s poor Tom. But I feel like there's a lot of different things in Cleveland. One thing. I want to talk about it's like the like the how that hers or sees a jacked up here. And how what Danny does at the dash Colleen like the same thing like fire, they want destruction around then they don't care about who's going to die. They don't think through that. But Danny to her credit. Does she made sure all the widows now, she only takes out the calls that are being eight holes. I say thirsty. She doesn't think through who's in that set because she thought through it keeping Tom in at home. It's not gonna work because he's in love with effing Marjorie. Yeah. So she would have been smart. She's would've at least waiting an allowance for Marjorie. Let's figure out how to get Martin. That now because if she wants Thoman as she really wanted Tom, and it's a be alive. He listens to heart attack a late who is going to keep Tom in alive. And she doesn't think that fire. Keep Tom a lot of her mistake is going down to gloat over the last person. Andro down there and shamed. At woman instead of going to check on our son because Marjorie has to go to tyrel half to go. There's no way you can keep Marjorie and Olena alive and think that they're not going to take your son. Yeah, they're going to take them away. But that's socially is that though she deserves the prophecy to you. To me thirsty deserve. You know? I just think it was her harvest Tanago check on Tom and right, right? So while sources looking, you know, very proud of herself, and as you mentioned gloating about well, look at your peoples if people's is out, our son, Tom, and he's now at somebody, and I would love to hear y'all opinion. Why does Tom in jump for you guys who've seen this? Now, Tom is watching when this happened. He's looking out the window. He sees a set go down along at margin. Everybody else in there. And he goes almost like a you know what I'm out I'm done. And he steps he he I mean, but he does it with so much confidence. Like, yep. This is it I'm good. He steps takes a little over. He does off little showed us, and you know, does this little hop right off? So my question is what was going on to his mind that he felt that that was the most? Action that choose me that was the action. I made the most sense. He's what was he thinking of you think he was just tired whose sister did whose brother did, you know, his wife, dead, everything dead. And he knows his mom did this. You know, he's I love my mom is evil. There's no controlling our. I'm tired. I'm done f it. I think that it's that I think that it's also that he realizes that. He's never going to be king like he's never truly going to make decisions on his own without someone manipulating how it's going to go Nevitts his mother, she's going to take everyone down with whomever. She wants to go down with them. And if that includes someone he cares a lot about as she just is she's shown if I really care about someone she's talking to take that in consideration. She's like care about what I care about. So what's the point anymore like anything that I ever one? It's not going to happen to me because they're not going to let me have it. So he makes the only decision for himself that he's ever made everyone else minute like he has been talking into his ear, and he makes us based on what they tell them to do. But this one time he's like I'm going to do what I need to do right now. And that's why they decided to just go literally takes his life into his own hands. Yeah. Yeah. And so in sir, Tomen chicken recounts done in along with the king king, Tom this name first of his name and lasts of his name. Yeah. He don't up, sir. See is proclaimed Queen of the realms. Nobody's even there anymore. Like, I think what was the dumbest your Queen of the dead. I hate like there's so many like seriously. He's just not right. And she's just not smart. And she thinks she's smart because it's like, how can you be a Queen of a kingdom where nobody is even they like she barely has a Courtney more either she killed them or they're like, oh, no, she's crazy. We gotta go. So they're not even there anyone it doesn't seem like it's like looking around and figuring that out like, no, I have no one. I have no alliances lady. Leonard told her when the last time they had a conversation was like I'm glad that you're losing because that's it like you're done. Like, no one is here for you anymore, and sir c still thinks that she can win without having people on her side. And it's like, I what point do you realize like you? You're you're done. Well, Jaime shows up and sees what has happened here. Sees that. His sister has taken thrown. He's definitely getting that mad Queen vibes from an offer at that point. And you've CNN Jamie's phase that they're saying, you know, this is not what I really want. This is not going to end. Well, really wants free end. I'm still unsure about that. But I'm, you know, still we'll see some more of that in this net season in season eight, and I think that about wraps it up for me. It was just I guess the most major last reveal came from brand when he realized that John was actually the is actually the son of Miami. Even in once again, I gotta hate on his show for this. But because it's so weird know they don't they still drag it off for another season. They do you hear her whisper? But you don't get to hear exactly what. And then they cut to John. So for those who know what's going on. You're like, oh, okay. That's what brings up, but they still keep the true nature drums parentage hidden away for yet another season to drag it out yet more. So yeah, we have brand kinda getting old information, but not really ending the season on that note anything else before we get out here. I mean king we come up on season seven getting ready one more week. And then it's time right last season. I mean as usual, we always as you guys have questions for us. Hit us up contact at four all nodes dot com. You can hit us up on castle. Blacks Twitter at castle black pod. You can also hit us up on our for all nerds, Twitter and social accounts, if you have castle black game of thrones related questions and always if you enjoy what you hear and you would like to support us. Please hit up our page on patriotic com slash four. All nerds. 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Episode 52 Farscape, The Flax

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Episode 52 Farscape, The Flax

"He is it transphobic will be addressing issues of trans phobia and trans massage any we may also address issues of racism classism able ism and various other intersectional issues in this podcast so this is a trigger warning. The panelists on is it. Transphobic will also use strong language so listener discretion is advised is d- hello and welcome back to the is it transphobic podcast. I am your guest hosts silence barrett. If you caught our the last episode the good omens episode you know that ashley has left me in charge for this and the next episode. I will be running things. Which will maybe a little fun and different but it also might be a little rocky in the tech department just f._y._i. We don't have vivian trends beautiful intro music and because i am learning by the seat of my pants so to speak how to record these things and edited there might be a little bit of volume issues or something like that. We'll try to keep to a minimum stake so much for tuning in so this episode. We're going to be talking about farscape. In particular <hes> a season one episode twelve the flax as i said i'm silence barrett us he him or they pronounce and i'm here with emily asher asher parent i use they then she her he him or z. Pronouns <hes> emily. This is your first time on on the is it transphobic podcast. Welcome thank you very much <hes> in addition to being a awesome writer pop culture critic and a huge amazing genius saifi nerd. Emily is also my spouse so this is pretty fun for me surprise. Emily's actually the first person who got me into farscape farscape. I didn't catch it when it when it first came out. It was a show on the sci fi channel that ran from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and three and it was done <hes> <hes> in partnership with american and australian production and the jim henson company was involved so it's this really cool sifi i five space opera kind of thing that has really amazing aliens and prosthetics as well as two of the central character's being actual actual jim henson company puppets which is really really fun and emily was the first person introduce me to it. I have watched it all the way through but it has been a while. We've been revisiting it. Which is what gave us the idea to do this so emily is really the resident expert. Do you wanna tells a little bit about how you discovered escape and what it means to you yes so i keep started. Basically when i was twelve years old it premiered in nineteen ninety nine and i remember her when it started they were doing all these ads on the scifi channel because it was one of their big tent pole shows when they were sort of starting to get a grip on original content and they were showing ads for it all year and i saw one of the puppet characters one of the jim henson papa characters who's known ona's pilot the pilot of their ship and when he appeared on screen i like full out gasped in my living room and was like i have to watch this. This is beautiful beautiful. I need to know everything and these show surprisingly did not even remotely disappoint me in that area and it was one if my it's it is actually remains to this day. One of my favorite television shows a little time. I would have to agree with that and i do think we've talked before about how farscape was a little bit ahead of its time and a lot of respect was really sort of on the cutting edge of what sci-fi television could be does a good job with having thing like the real practical effects and the puppets and and percents work alone looks like a much higher budget like you could put it in a film today. It would look great for the most part like he has obviously the c._g._i. Not so much but all the practical stuff costuming is really really incredible. Storytelling is really elite. I mean even today it holds up against most of what's out there in malaysia not every respect but in a lottery but they were really big on serialized storytelling sort of rate as it became popular and they did an incredibly good job at it even with twenty two episodes seasons so i forget there's twenty two episode seasons because you don't ex- you expect there to be more sort of flops yeah in season that long the as a reason. They don't do them as much anymore. You're right but the epa we're going to talk about. Today is called the flax as i mentioned it's a season one episode twelve and and do you want to try to summarize this yes for everybody. Who's never seen the show before yeah. We'll give you a very basic outline of what the show is is actually about the show accents. Yes a good call. Thank you yes so the show is it's a very sort of buck rogers inspired or flash gordon inspired kind of premise the whole point is this guy he's a scientist and an astronaut and he's performing an experiment and while he's performing the experiment he gets shot through a wormhole and ends up on the other side of the galaxy or the university has no idea where he is and accidentally ends up brought aboard this ship of escaping prisoners. They're escaping scaping from this group called though peacekeepers who are they sound nice but they're they're not they're basically a big military organization who are hired by other people to enforce the peace that sort of fascist nazi way <hes> and so jon ends up on this ship full of people escaping from the peacekeepers there on boorda's boorda's ship which is alive her name moya and she has a living pilot who they call pilot and they all have to struggle to get along and struggled struggle to deal with their life in what they call the uncharted territories of space and the flax is an episode in the first season basically basically there are a couple of different plot threads but the main crux of it is john is trying to cope with being in space being around aliens and he's trying to learn learn things to be more valuable to the crew because he hasn't been living in this universe where all these species talk to one another and and deal with one another all the time and he's trying to be useful so the person on the ship who he has a great big crush on. Is there x. Peacekeeper commando. Her name is erin son and she is. She's almost like the spark of the show. She's not good with her emotions. She's very spock was a warrior. He's yeah it's it's real fun and she you basically is she's helping john learn how to fly one of their <hes> transport pods which is like a shuttle like they have in star trek one of the little ships that can leave leave the ship and go down onto planning comeback so she's trying to teach him how to fly it and they end up getting stuck in something called the flax which is like a web in space base. That's been left there by pirates who use it to basically trap things and then loot the ships and kill everybody on board and while they're stuck they're running out of air not sure if anyone knows where they are as even looking for them. Their shipmates on the ship have run into into an x. Zil benin pirate whose name is stands and stands kinda messes around with one of their crewmates in unlike a little gambling match with a silly game and then volunteers to help one of their crewmates dargo whose giant luxury warrior offers to help pimm go find a an old legs in ship to go find some some maps related to his culture and then helped him go rescue john and erin erin from this ridiculous web because stands knows how to navigate the flax so that's the base that was very lisa sinked well done. It's it's an interesting thing to have to explain all of that ourselves magin. You know all these different looking aliens 'lions up pilot as like a little bit and sector-wide looking has four armenia unlike runs like is attached to the ship and just standing like sort of seated in their all attached. It's really really neat <hes> so a lot of things happen. In this episode you'd aaron and john have to deal with their sort of growing feelings for each other. It's a nice sort of we're trapped in a small area together and we just have to talk doc which is not certainly not inhaler errands wheelhouse. No this is the first episode also where they make out. This was a big. I remember explicitly romantic. I remember remember explicitly watching this episode. The first time i saw it because my aunt was visiting and no one ever watched the show with me. My parents were like it's actually too weird for us. They wouldn't do it for my aunt was there and she was up late at night and choosing next to me watching it and make out happened and she was just like oh. This show got this. Show is sexy sexy. Who who knows you're watching this and i was like no this is new. This doesn't normally happen but then it does happen other times this show because ajan and errands relationship is absolutely beautiful romantic imperfect and also the show is very sexy. The joke that's constantly made about farscape is it's like you know you married sort of an old <hes> space opera sensibility with like the the fetish scene in australia like people are constantly dressed in leather their harnesses everywhere everywhere it makes the show ten thousand times more fun but <hes> yeah so that was pretty kinky anyway and then of course you have have sort of the other plot which dargo and stand sort of figuring out how to make stands crappy ship work. There's a lot of that sort sort of i mean in retrospect now reminds me of like doctor who a little bit of like go over there and bang that thing and throw these weird things into the artisan you know i need to. I need an assisted pilot because my the ship is falling apart kind of thing which is dargo has his own emotional journey where he basically ends up having to not go to the luxury unshipped to find the maps he needs because realizes that john and aaron don't have enough time for that but also the dargo stance thing is kind of a comic relief of like gas gas stands as a former pirate and calls himself a garba logistics which i thought was really fun like sort of that like dumpster diving hipped the kind of way you know. I don't take trash. I take you know treasures that other people throw away and things like that and they have this sort of constantly irritated with this this person sort of cheerful lightly wacky demeanor yes and then the third arm of the episode is <hes> the the the nation pirates do actually come back. They're looking for stands because <hes> stands like used to be a member of their their pirate gang and then went to prison earlier before this episode occurred and like kinda sold them out basically get out of prison told them their secrets and is now how the reason that stands is helping them is to sort of a little bit of a screw you too yes the people who abandoned him in prison and to give them time to basically find john aaron what what ends up happening is the other two people on board. The ship with pilot and moya are zan who is is a former delvin priest and rachel the sixteenth who used to be the domino of the hungarian empire. He is also a puppet. He's a foot tall tall and lives in a hover chair and he basically cons the big deals nation pirate into plane a ridiculous game with him that he pretends to look helpless at but the cool thing about rachel that you realize when you watch the shows always knows exactly what's going on in. He's a lot smarter harder than people take him for him. But the the point we are here to discuss. Today is the character of stance when they first meet standards. They're very suspicious of his professed desire to help them navigate this mysterious web that they don't use just showing up and say there's this web out in space. That's going to catch you if you don't listen to me and they're like we don't see anything and in one of the things stands does to prove what he's saying is true who is drops trout to show off some like <hes> venetian pirate tattoos like i was one of them. That's why i know what i'm talking about and both argo end zan observe that for a male of this very humanoid species sir <unk> looks basically the there's no alien prosthetics or anything looks basically human there appears to be something missing facing as zan puts it and stands replies that their species believe he says they're species is a very unusual. Oh yeah biology or structure or something to that nature yeah <hes> and then at the end of the episode after dargo dargo has decided not to go after the luxembourg ship which stands also eager to raid because it's has really strong defenses so only with a luxembourg can you get through and dargo has promised to let stands have whatever other treasures that he can find <hes> so the doctor decides no no. We don't have time for this. We have to go rescue. Ask my friends kind of chain stands up and takes over to go rescue aaron john at the last possible minute when they're about to have we're going to die soon. Sex and then stands asks dargo to stay travel and tell dargo throw that stands in love with him and dargo doesn't understand that stands is the female of the species yeah and that is what we are here to discuss today so it's it's really awkward because the episode itself seems very confused just about the joke that it's making like that so when we meet the character the characters presented as male and is presented as male in multiple formats the point is the character character doesn't seem to correct anyone's assumption like they refer to him as he he doesn't ever say that that's incorrect. They find picked up profile for <unk> for the for stance when stance was in prison. That profile says that stanzas mail. There's all of this suggestion. Throughout the character is when these nation pirate boss comes and gets on their ship. He uses the pronoun he for stands so when stan <unk> says you do know i'm the female of the species. It's confusing because you're like well. Why wouldn't have come up earlier than why wouldn't you have corrected. People yes at stanford actually even refers to himself as if we're going to go with the pronouns show gives us as like is like come. Come on shep like do it for daddy. Yeah like there's a whole so it's it's very awkward because it doesn't really seem like the show was thinking that whole the plot line through it's just sort of tagged on at the end there it's particularly sort of aggravating because win stands mix this confession to dargo in his like you do june the female of the species don't you then proceeds like dr goes like no. That's not a thing i want him. Not gonna travel with you. Dargo is very awkward about it and as georgia was leaving stands on the ship stanzas calling after chained up by the way yes which is i mean. I gape does a lot of just leaving. We're here to float in space chained up unclear. Enforce game has a tendency to sort of treat everything with a slightly more bombastic sense of humor which is usually the thing that i actually like about the show so like the concept. You're not supposed to be sitting there going. Will how a stan's gonna get out your derisively like. It's funny that they left him chained up but if stanzas now announced i am female. I would like you to stay with me and his dargo leavings. Dans is calling after dargo. I love you. I love you and you're like wait. What why would yes and my theory is that this is. Not you know. This is the comic relief of the episode. John and aaron are the the plots yup and as a very serious emotional plot they have to decide like who's going to be momentarily dead while they opened the ship space to make repairs pairs and then they're both gonna die and they're going to suck yards off the trucks to learn how to do c._p._r. On him because she doesn't know oh anything about it she's used to using technology. He's very and and then sort of the b plot is the thing with rizal gambling and realizing that rachel is actually eight more in control of situations much smarter than people think and then this thing with dargo has its own emotional hook is well we just before four. There's an episode where we finally find out dr goes back story about how he was a species relationship and his wife was murdered by her brother because of it and he he has a son he hasn't seen and so there's there's a lot of sort of a particular weight to his question of is he going to risk john and erin not surviving in order. Take the time to go to this lacson ship and find maps that will lead him to his homework. <hes> it's called the unchartered territory because there's no charts so you never really know where you are how to get anywhere anywhere. <hes> there there becomes a big focus on finding star maps and things like that in the first season yeah so this is like not even unlike the c plot. It's the comic relief sort of laced within yes ac- plot and so to me watching it. It feels just like we just sprinkled in some extra stuff and it wasn't important. It wasn't the focus and it's not particularly well thought through. Yes what makes it fun. Is the actor actor playing stance guys. He's really good very funny. I as i mentioned like the the whole like relationship with the ship and you know this garbage ship this whole bit where like the ship is full of trash. It smells bad stance talk about having their smell receptors like khaderah contries became their line of work and <hes> you know the whole sort of the very very sort of eager eccentric kind of you've character which is really really funny actors very good. The the bit of the relationship when dargo argonne stands are actually working together to make the ship they get stuck in the flax briefly and they have to do all this stuff to get out and that is really fun on and that is the part where i almost sort of see like a setup for stands being i'm lonely and this person just helped me and we worked well together her yeah and we have that sort of push poll cheerful one grumpy one thing going on lake who number one fan victory yet. I was like yeah okay right that kind of makes sense and i think the actor does a good job with what he's given but i also think that the script is doing something very strange. Yes and it's the fact that zan who we later find out is a plant. It's not a male yes and a bunch of aliens with wildly differing <unk>. These are like you look like a guy but you. I don't have what we expect. Apparently all males to have she says explicitly because stances bipedal ideal by pete it also like with but there is i think a certain sort of biological like binary idea going on here emerges like like all by prenatal sort of humanoid. S._e.'s must look exactly the same even though we don't actually know of your exact spec- a us yeah which i think was sort of like the first thing that threw me off <hes> <hes> when we were watching this episode. I didn't really remember it. Yeah i remember talking like you talking about it recently but i didn't really remember watching it yeah <hes> so i was sort of watching with one eye to be like oh i kind of remember what this is about but also a little bit fresh so that sort of was something that stuck out to me probably more than it would have if i was just watching it for the first time and not looking for yeah. I guess the question of sort of like dr goes discomfort. Yes with the revelation which is it dargo is also a super interesting character in terms of the fact that he develops in such a way that when we meet him dargo is a character that if you don't actually watch the show all the way through if you just saw him in the first season you'd be like this character isn't well written and it's because he he so dramatic everything that comes out of his mouth is like it's. It's like bad comic book dialogue right. It's like you cannot know the pain. I have felt like angry anti hero kind of startling warf on his first date and like you know it's that kind of thank and he the thing that you find out as the show goes on is the dark goes actually kind of a lot younger than he seems to be. An dargo is also. He's he sort of stunted growth. He's like he's learning how to processes emotions better being around. All these people eventually kind of helps them to do it. So when in the first season most of dog was behaviors they're very young behaviors which sort of to me makes that whole his discomfort even and we're like it's a little bit more awkward because it's also partly that the character himself is very untested and uncomfortable about everything that's very true and also i mean we've certainly seen <hes> you do it. Throughout the show you realize that like zan is a very openly sexual will being very in touch with her sensual side very like sex positive comfortable with nudity things like that of her persona and we have already seen by hi this episode dargis discomfort with that as well so it's out of character for dargo to encounter any kind of romantic take android sexual suggestion and just kind of go to <hes> that's weird. I don't know what to say so i'm just gonna walk away yet. Probably probably i do. I find a lot of times doing this podcast. One of the things that sort of come up is this question shen of like sort of the intent of what is written or what is acted versus how it comes across. Yes and i think that that definitely is a question in here because it's also not out of character for dr go to you know if the character just been played as sort of like a you no female human looking yet hurson and presented us be maltreated female in that wasn't a revelation it would still make sense sudargo to the f. the exact same reaction to this confession of love dargo is there irradiated by stands the whole time stands. It's very much not the kind the person that dargo would be attracted to at this point in his life. Yes the more of chaos person that sort of thing <hes> and is very very irritated by everything that stands does the entire episode so it's not like dargo would have been into this except for the sex and or gender thing that's happening happening but as an audience member. I don't know that you're going to read it that way. Especially you and i are are coming to this analysis. Having already watched the rest of dr goes progression but as he pointed out at this point in episode twelve. You don't really know if what the whole story does have a very like sledding toxic masculinity posturing yet. No violent leads angry thing about him that you don't really know all of the roots of yet you don't have. He hasn't had a chance to explore in. The narrative doesn't have a chance to explore yet that happens later later so that's also something that if you're watching it for the first time you wouldn't necessarily have that context yes. I think you know what my problem with. The opposite is when i say like i don't think they thought about it hard enough when they wrote it like i think they hadn't you know it's still technically again. Twenty two episodes seasons. They're basically halfway way through their first season and the first season is not it still a superfund season but they haven't quite anchored their voice yet and it. Let's see there are some there are so many episodes really in the first season where you're like you can see them throwing stuff at the wall and going what's gonna work. How are we going to power. We're gonna find our tone. How are we gonna undefined. You know the the sort of nisha that we occupy and my problem with how this episode is executed is it it feels like an episode that they were initially gonna make a gay panic episode but they realized that that was kind of shitty and then made it a different kind of panic interesting 'cause like that's what it really reads to me as though the because if you if you until you get that reveal feel at the end stands reads as a really flamboyant man yes so low crop ta and like an easily flakes really lovely mascara honoring the actress has great eyelashes liking both link the character reads as a kind of flamboyant kind of effeminate gate guy and i think that what ends up happening here is i think that they wanted to do or at least i wouldn't be surprised if the initial impulse had been and and then we're going to have this guy confessed to dargo that he's in love with him and that and then they all went but then if dr goes like no. I hate that. That just seems really homophobic. How do we make it weird. How do we make it farscape and their ideal was the characters a woman and surprise which is why the episode is written in a way that suggests it that is interesting. I dunno i. This just occurred it to me but i was just like there's something that doesn't ask the acution is is off clunky and strange yeah. This is i mean it is our first season. Would it is a show. That overall is very tight. They're actually not that many episodes even in the first season where you go like this. You know this is kind. Edible flop this stuff their their leases yet. There are bits that are bet but compared to a lot of i seasons yes i. It's a lot tighter most of their you first season episodes have practically every episode has got some kind of at least some kind of solid idea back right up. You don't like i mean i think a lot about stargate when i watched farscape has their about contemporary <hes> and they are tackling some similar ideas of you know sort of like what happens when we encounter other beings and what is our sort of responsibility on other people's worlds and and stuff like that and i think always always about i believe it's the second episode of farscape of stargate oga the where they like go to the planet where like that's really sexy says sam is really offended. Daniela's like oh well. This is our culture. You can't mess with it sam one woman yet. He sam the record. If you don't watch stargate data samuel as the <unk> nobody knows what farscape is. Everybody knows arcade bob right yeah like daniel the anthropologist and nothing nothing anybody does in that episode makes any sense now for the characters that they are yes <hes> lake. Sam is it is very much given that sort of like over the top like i'm a military woman in a world full of men so i have to be really harsh all the time and then they lectured mellow out and just like be a person person and daniel is historically the worst anthropologist ever because he metals with everything you walk right into their. He's like no this morally wrong. I'm going to do this <unk>. Touch all your stuff. I'm gonna give you candy bars. Even though i don't know if you can digest them as your species i do like you picking out as a specific aside because it is a problem that yes always wonder if there's a lot of problems starting which is not the point site i think about some of the missteps that that show had and they you know they sorta figured out where they were going eventually and they didn't have so many mistakes the wreck collins they had to do with gold things. I said how they worked in season one and season four. It's completely dead go older. They're alienated. Yes and there's not a lot of that in farscape. No there are definitely league tunnel mistakes. There are definitely episodes that don't really land huge wreck hawn's. There's not like huge character stuff where you're like in season one. This was a different person now. There's there are the things that they do mess up on her or so fun because they're really obvious mechanical errors. There's like the whole thing they moya has. The ship has a thing that she can do her one defensive capability. It's called starburst which is basically like a more erratic radic version of work speed were basically the ship can just speed away in a great big explosion of life. It's like it's like it's like a jump. Yes so to speak casino famous point to point when they started the show they made the suggestion they were like every time we starburst all of our like map positions. Let's get totally screwed and we idea where we all in her and then eventually halfway through season one you can see they went to that was a bad idea. Oh no we're just is gonna pretend we never said that and like forgot yeah. Look so that's the kind of stuff i like the the they're like little <unk> like mechanized errors. They made where they were like. Oh this doesn't work anymore like the actual sort of mathematical equation which is the most likely thing for a show to have to change you get the point. You're like we made rules that restricted our storytelling too much yes i we can't stick to that and those things don't bother me but the overall barking like narrative themes and were the characters are going and all that stuff. They're really consistent. Speaking of episode flops yes. Can you tell us a little bit about the episode oh in which john and rachel cross dress yes the other there. There's a lot of really interesting gender dynamic stuff that happens in farscape because his farscape actually spends a huge portion of time overall as a series flipping scripts on typical gender dynamics. It's like we've been watching the first season together again. I keep leaning over to silas and going like that scene. We just saw all of the characters who are women. Have the men's lines that you would normally find in all of the men have the women's lines so you know you'll get stuff like you know the the women are making the honor moves and then the guy is like what would anyone consider my feelings basically john cryan yeah like well. Can we talk about our feeling and yeah and his you know his peacekeeper. Super commando would be girlfriend is like you're so weird. Why did he do this. I do this with you right now and so it's fun to watch the show constantly flip with that script but in the fourth season they've got an episode that is called coup by clam. It is considered by many fans to be you one of the worst if not the orse episode that they've ever made. I have a soft spot for it. Because it is like i appreciate how weird farscape it is yeah and all the weird things they do and this episode takes so many of those things to really terrible max so they end up on a planet and they are basically held for ransom by an unscrupulous doctor and what the doctor it's like everyone's favorite phrase unscrupulous alicja gerald out of unscrupulous doctors in far scare ara and everyone's like we should trust the doctor and then like during you into different species or just like steal your d._n._a. Their space doctors they have their no. There's no hippocratic oath. Do you want it never really really smart search just bad so so this guy gives them these mollusks to eat and what they find out is the really big food surly giant like dinner dinner plate sized yeah lamb things and so everyone on the ship like people were splitting them and what you find out. Is there spectator syria in the molluscs when you eat them you become tied to the person who also ate the other part of the mollusc. If you guys don't get if the bacteria can't get get back together. It'll try to do it by basically making your body's explode so the doctors like give me a bunch of stuff orion a ransom. It's ransom ransom. I think he's asking for money and of course hammer have any money you know they're. They're escaped prisoners and refugees. They have nothing so they're like great cool. We're all gonna die and in this episode. One of the other factors is again. They're they're complicated a._b._c. Plots going on all over the place but the planet that they are on a planet the where it's like a really weird retrogressive. Women aren't allowed to do anything planet just like the one that they plan to stargate on lim this planet. There's like an underground faction of like female freedom fighters who were trying to basically three up the female population and and those women who actually have what they need in order to cure them all from this terrible thing i think is is the plot will only deal with the other other women of the ship so aaron and at that point there soco's zoo. There's chana they'll go to talk to these women and they get <unk> captured by these women because the women on the planet don't trust them. They're like you could be anyone who knows you probably trying to threaten our freedom movement so john john reid joel decide that they have to go and find all the women from the ship 'cause they haven't come back and they know that they're not going to be able. There's like a there's an event happening where these women are basically trying to get all these powerful men in one place so they can kind of screw them all over and john and rachel no. They're not going to be leading. They're not on the guest list but if they were woman they would just be allowed end for this party because that's sort of the point of the freedom fighters doing what they're doing so they cross dress and they go into this party and it's an interesting scenario because of course like you're expecting there so there's a guy one of the evil dudes from this planet and he is hitting on john as a woman. The whole time joan by the way is not even remotely convincing as light but like really bury living thing where you sort of like hold the veil across young lady though he takes. He keeps doing it with his hair. He's got a wig on air solid crosses face and it's <hes> it's really awful <hes> he but it the thing that's sort of funny about it. Is that the guy who was hitting on john. Don't forget that moment that you're expecting where the guy finds is out that john is not a woman in his like how dare you i'm curious. What you get instead is john's constant discomfort at this guy just not like not leaving leaving him alone and there is a point i do remember there's like a there is a moment of of sort of like thoughtless transphobia sounds phobia in this episode because when john wants to reveal that they're not who they say they are. He stands up on a table and he goes. I think what he says is. Hey ladies do any of have you have one of these under your skirts of course pulls up skirt and takes his pulse pistol and you're like why they thought that was funny. Yeah yeah this is. The pulse pest in choke is then made yeah. I'm pretty sure that's the joke that's like. I imagine they all do because they're a a bunch of freedom. Fighters only pack. You know it's a very it's a very weird sort of scenario but that's the closest they get in terms of sort of. That's really interesting to me too because i found it interesting in this episode just sort of like because because in in in the first season john crichton has just arrived another part of the universe he doesn't have anything works works. That's kind of like the crux of this episode and like the reason he and aaron are out there 'cause she's trying to teach them how to fly the little pods and she's making fun of him because it takes so much longer to pick kick things off because he's human needs less involved or whatever even though john is like a genius and scientists which aaron is not by human human sanders exactly but if it was like being more sort of deliberately sort of like transphobic can shocking this would have happened in japan right like right like the fish out of water the person who doesn't know what's going on would be like oh no like it turned out. It was a late this weird thing going on and and the fact that happens to dargo makes it feel a little less crappy to me right like just this idea of like yes. Dr was uncomfortable. Yes i think as a human watching this show like from our society. You're going to take away some <hes> homophobic or transphobic messages from that because you can't non them by. It's not like there's no like like man. The universe is weird and gross yeah. Even though i think you're right when that's kind of the point not grow so much definitely be like what can we do. That's really weird. Oh it's is really a woman that strange and bizarre exact just like all the other alien stuff like how rizal farts helium. That's a plot point point. It's not just a ramping. It's like a plot point. One point yeah there. There are a lot of not there are regularly like the other episode when reid eats the weird food and all of his bodily fluids become explosive yup so like to escape from people he pees on stuff yeah like you know and that's not even the weirdest stuff that's actually leading. Now sick like we had some funny ideas yes but i think that's why i'm comparing them exactly. There's not like a huge point to it. You know like it's not like some weird alien stuff. It's just like let's make this funny and strange kind of where this is intended to lie as well yeah but it does it if it had been the point of like exposing john to female alien that doesn't look doc female or being surprised by gender that i think would feel worse to me yeah and i do think that i did like take it a little better because it was dr rone own because it wasn't like dargo was like interested in someone and then found out they weren't the gender that yes yeah. It's just it's a character who he he has no interest in trying to hit on him being like please now yeah and the other thing about face really the only thing the only thing is john. Aaron are actually there in a a witness this confession from stands and the whole point is that that is also a moment where it could have gotten really crappy right that is a moment where the two of them could have been like what the the hell this is weird and gross in creepy and instead the two of them just kind of think. It's cute and funny. Now like this person has a crush on. You and you're not on a handle it. That's that's what's funny to us. You're freaking out yet so it under mainly kind of leave dargo their purpose purpose to lead to a hot now you have to deal with this like hazing which that to me felt a little bit worse yeah the fact that they were all like oh. This is a weird uncomfortable scenario but then they're like. We'll just leave your your deal with us on. I was like oh yeah nothing. Anything like nothing happens like dr who just kind of goes no walks backwards out of the room yeah <hes> but yeah it is still a little bit weird. Yeah also as much as i was saying earlier that like get sort of made sense that stands was like this is someone who worked well with me and i don't have a partner <noise> like like a functional partner as well as a romantic partner and i am alone now used to be part this group laying on i was like oh let that standard be like i want you to come with me but i was also struck by the point of it's only when stands tells them that it feels weird to you keep saying he because it's what the show us but when stands like you know i'm a lady right <hes> all of a sudden. It's like an also. I'm in love with you. Get nothing from that in the moment that it's a made clear that we're talking about a female character. It's like i love you. Love you in love you and that that made me a little bit annoyed. Yes again from a show that like spends so much of its time <music>. I'm like giving women very different roles. It was weird to fall back on this very again. It almost felt like they were making like take a year old. Fashioned joke like this is what would have happened in a different kind of show like we don't really do that but we'll make fun of it here. You know it's it's really awkward. Yeah i do think that <hes> and it's it's interesting too because this is also before four when the show starts the fatu main women on the ship are aaron and zan and then as the within the first season they gained another female mill crew member. Her name is gina is even more sex positive than zanan constantly on timeshare teenager. She was fun yeah and so like you gals. I'm running from past while they're all running into all of them yeah but there's a lot of sort of weird the there are episodes later where they do a much better job of making fun of these things right like i think that's part of the reason why it's really strange to watch because is when you then eventually sort of get the actualization of their tone. The thing that i was thinking about is there is an episode called called john quixote and the episode is i believe a seasonal or episodic excellent. It's really either episode. There's a lot of farscape that i no longer remember but that i remember the whole zone sticks out. It's really great and the the thing i want to say that the the central i want the the the guy who plays john crichton is the actor's name is ben browder and i wanna say he wrote that episode i think he did and he and this sort love. They'd solidified their sense of humor very much at that point and they do kind of similar. Ladies are silly kind of thing but the structure of the episode makes it work. Were the whole point is that they're trapped in basically a video game. They're trapped in a video game that has been he wanted to say they. It's jonah are are trapped inside a video game and the video game turns out to have been programmed by an old friend of theirs and they can't get out of the game eight minutes being done on purpose. This old friend of theirs was a little he was. He was a loopy guy <hes> and he was he was pretty erratic person. His name was stark and he created this computer game and he tells john because there's a similac crime of him in the computer game the video game and he says to him you have to rescue the princess and they go on this whole long journey were they meet alternate versions of all the people they know <unk> very wizard of oz like and of course the princess as you see it or who seems to be the princess in the episode gets turned on its head. Later is a version of aaron who is like a character from tennessee williams. Yes it's like she's wearing a big fluffy dress with a blonde weight and she talks doc slack this and you're like okay like that that sort of poking fun at femininity kind of stuff right and like was weird tropes and yes. There's is not an actual character. Who's really liked that yeah. It's sort of doing this weird structure stuff yes and like they they get that tone down naturally like they figure it out in this particular context. They haven't found they haven't hit the stride yet and you're like what are you doing doesn't make sense. Excuse me okay well. We have actually talked a lot. We and it's about time to wrap things up cool. What we do at the end of the episode is we ask is is this transphobic and you can give it a one to ten rating system. You can just talk about it. You can make a noise what do you you think if i were to make a noise. It'll be now yeah. I kind of feel like i think that the episode isn't intending to make the commentary that it is but it doesn't stop it from reading poorly yeah so i think that in that regard it's like functionally unfortunately yes. Yes yes yeah i would agree. You know if i was going to rate it. I'll give it like wow a four yeah. Maybe a five like i think that it i think that it's the focus on the genitalia that rashes <unk> yeah a little bit. It'd be one thing if it was just like guy because i looked in the face like a guy and then i was like no lady yeah <hes> you know it's not doc nothing but the fact that they start out the setup of this plot by being like you don't have a penis. Why don't you have a penis it just it just set them up for bad. <unk> does especially when like the episode is so unclear about why the character is not yet now. He's not making fun of you know effort to tell people no. You've got it wrong right at the end. It's just like well obviously know this yeah after it was very clear that that no one day it's very even maybe the other pirates like we don't is unclear. Yeah and i think that that to me you can't you can't avoid a transphobic suggestions <hes> if you bring genitalia to it yes and i think that you know it's sort of the opposite of what would be traditional. Transphobia is basically rooted in homophobia. Don't accept these people are the jungle. They say so now if you're attracted to them you're gay yeah. That's like the worst fate to ever be visited on man and also i mean i think it's i think that part of the reason why it's a little bit disconcerting seen as well. The the show is overall a very very sex positive and talks about genitalia actually quite a bit and also talks about various forms of alien sex landed sex with her ear. Yeah like there's a character named scorpius and he's got a a cooling system in his head and when he has sex like the rod pops out and has to be exchanged cooing hot yeah. There's we're gonna get hot in that like a leather ginsu. Yes that lose absolutely. It's a very he has he's in like a leather a patent leather tail coach liking us. It's very also it's like roll tight yeah. It's not like a suit but anyway that's that's. The point is transphobic. Ish yes could be worse. <hes> an indefinitely indefinitely <hes> one thing that actually was mentioned <hes> despite the transphobic nature of this. Is it enjoyable. The the episode. I think is is actually very fun. Overall i agree. I actually really liked the character stands we do too. I enjoyed the actress betrayal. I enjoyed when the character was on on screen and i was very invested in the character wasn't thrilled with that particular part of it but they're all still enjoyed. The episode also the john and aaron stuff is great is also the usual stuff is it's actually really tight episode. In most other respects it is and i like it very much. Yes and thank you for introduce me to farscape and i think we should turn this often. Go watching more of our scape. Let's do it so before we go. Where can everybody finds you. Oh i am senior staff writer for tour dot com. That's t. o. R. dot com <hes> where where i talk about things. Just like this you know from <hes> from farscape to star wars star trek to harry potter and well beyond so that's where most of my thinki- thoughts can be found fantastic as y'all probably know by now. I also write for toward dot com. You can read my read posts on my forays into the wheel of time series you can also find me on twitter and instagram inland dot sailor. Oh yes i'm also on those things and my user handle is used underscore the force. I underscore m. e. m. which is like one of my favorite twitter handles ever one of us. You can find both of us because we're remarried and stuff yeah all our instagram's social media select so thank you so much for tuning in and we'll see you against nazi u pick you. You know what i mean by is it. Transphobic was produced edited and coordinated it by ashley lauren rogers. The transport logo was created by phoenix sweeney and you can see more of their work at tiny lion roaring start. Get hub gut i echo the original music you heard was all created by vivian aladin who you can find unbanned cap at the vienna eligible dot van dot com.

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13 - When Everything Falls Apart with Katie Reese & Brooke Warnock

Made For This with Jennie Allen

33:01 min | 1 year ago

13 - When Everything Falls Apart with Katie Reese & Brooke Warnock

"Hey guys this is Jenny. Alan and you are listening to the made for this project. Well today is one of my favorite days. Because I'm going to introduce you to two of my very best. Lifelong friends my sisters and and we still are just dearest friends. We have been through a lot as you can imagine. All families have been through a lot but specifically today. We're going to be talking about a moment. Really early season of life that changed our lives forever. My sister had some news one day that caused her to lose her marriage her community her world. Everything fell in on this day and it was a shock and I can't tell you the details of that their private but I just want you to know that it was the most difficult destructive thing we could imagine happening in life and yet out here we are still standing and my sister is amazing. She loves Jesus more than she ever has through it and and so I just wanted to set the stage for this that we can't talk about the details. I know a lot of you understand that type of situation but I do want to paint the gravity of it before we had this conversation. Because we're talking about sadness this week and I just know so many of you. Listening right now are walking through a season of despair of just incredible and thinkable difficulty and in this episode is in my sisters are here in the studio welcome guys. We're so glad you're here so introduce yourselves. We'll start there okay Hey I'm Katie. Haiti reese and I'm Johnny's younger sister and I am in Little Rock Arkansas. Three Kiddos ten year old eight year old little girl and six month old little girl and I'm an Interior Designer Mon company. And Yeah this is Super Fun to be here with My two sisters because we olive far away from each other's this is so fence odor yet and I'm the sister that lives the farthest hurts. Our hearts hearts my heart all the time. My name is Brooke Middle Sister. Five kids live on a ranch in the middle of nowhere in Colorado homeschool those five kids and miss my sisters all the time time all right. Let's talk about our relationship for a minute. So yeah we are best friends and it's so nice. Has It always been this phone. There were some locks on the closets installed I think there were maybe some scratching and screaming at times I will never forget. This is one of my favorite Brooke Stories. She's the middle one the rebel. y'All both out your seasons of rebellion. But I will never forget when Brooke Brooke was probably three or four years old and she came in and said what the h you do win three or four and I'm three or four years older than that and I'm thinking and I'm the firstborn righteous one like how could you ever cuss remember like holding it inside for mom and dad like I don't need to tell him but can you say the word now. Now Jenny I can make my rating. Might Change My podcast explicit lyrics so yeah God we have found the freedom in that area of our lives. You big customer now. Profanity is my leveling with these rebels. Sisters Watch out okay all right. So Katie Mom's like stop. She's back here. y'All are mom is here. And she's like she really did teach us that even like the CR. AP EP was a bad cuss word. And be mom we have in bt. Oh Yeah Oh yeah we never said those words. That was really bad. That's why this is so far are from the truth that we ever been cut all right. So Katie let's go back to this difficult season in in your life because obviously it impacted you beyond words and so let's talk about the day that you found this news out even though we can't share what that it is talk about the implications of that and what happened in your mind and in your heart that day. Yeah I think you hear about situations I had heard about situations with other people. There was that one moment that just completely changed the trajectory of their life and I think we were thankfully altogether which again we could talk for hours about just the provision that God had an every moment of the season and still to this day to in my season now but thankfully I was with my two sisters and so just even that alone was 'cause we're we do live so far apart and so the fact that the Lord brought the timing in that moment of US three being able to be in the same in place at the same time as completely of him I truly believe and so I just remember a big huge fog. Come over me and and you know when you get news. That's not so good. It's question after question after question just starts rolling through your brain and I would say for a long time time. There would be moments where I literally would have to like. Remind myself to breathe like take deep breaths and like remind myself just to even like breathe normally because the questions were just so there's so many account and yeah in that moment I knew that my community would look different from then on. We just moved in and to my Dream House that I'd renovated and put my whole life into new. You know there's a chance we're probably going to have to move. I knew job changes new possibly a marriage ending in a family breaking waking up and I was so broken hearted for my kids and what they didn't know at the time and what it was going to mean for them and just the heaviness of that. I was scared for the future. Sure I'd I'd had never in a million years ever saw myself as a single mom or you know having to kind of way through life by by myself and so I think in the moment that it happened. I had two sisters that I was able to lean on in the flesh and then also so immediately I knew that God had been preparing me at the same time and I think that I was just I was ready to completely surrender and Leinen into him. I mean when something bad happens whether it'd be death or terrible tragedy in a marriage which is what mine was losing someone you love you. You know health problems all of those things. You have a choice in that moment to either rely and know that God's promises are true and to truly lean into to that or to question him and in that moment I chose totally Leinen entrust them because my whole life. I've been reading his promises and it was like it. All comes down to this. Do we believe or not believe and I think that through the tragedy. In through the hardship he was was the only thing that I could lean on. I want to talk to break for a minute. Because we experienced a different side of grief we experienced the grief of watching somebody we love go through health and the two of us were together that night. Haiti flew to deal with some things and we were together that night and at that point in time we were about about the only people that knew and so the two of us laid in bed and we can speak and we just walked all night. I don't know if you remember this and we just you know it. It was really one of those situations where the grief is so that that you can't form words you just it was an attack. It was truly a pig of. Yeah Yeah two of us together in the dark grief type. Yeah and so I I WANNA speak to that too because I think there's something very real about watching people you love go. Oh through tragedy that I think we don't have often give words to but the people holding the people up going through tragedy are also grief and I think you don't want to ever take away from the person person going through it but I also think that a lot of you out there holding people together that you love and there's a real cost to that in a real way to that and immediately we felt it. I mean we you were just both floored. I remember that night. We kept trying to like prey or something and we couldn't even find words and all we to just that kind of deep crying where you just are. Are you know. It's visceral and I remember the only words I can think of that night. Were Given Day your daily bread. I couldn't even remember the words per all I remember was like that phrase because it felt like how are we gonna ever sleep begin. How are we ever GonNa you know for for our sister that we loved so much especially you guys? She's our baby sister and so I think both brick and I at that point in our lives lift. Acadian thought. We're we're stronger. We could. We could handle something like Katie. You know our baby sister and we were wrong because that girl was stronger than the two of us together. I mean you the way you walked through through that and continue to. It's just unbelievable but broke. I WANNA talk about. You're just you're feeling through that and what you observed of Katie and end that season I think I had been my husband and I ran this hospitality business and this hospitality business. Had I turned into a place where for many years. There was a lot of discouragement that I experienced personally some expectations that weren't met as a young mom and some loneliness that I was not expecting to experience in that stage of life. I think what I saw in our little sister was a picture picture of what the broken of this world actually looks like and how devastating it can be always told people yes. It's it's not me going through it. But it felt like my right arm was in the fire. It felt like a limb of my body was actually experiencing her story I and some of you have grief where it is not necessarily your story but it might as well feel you know you're that much a part of it. What I saw our little sister do was choose? Hope on a very daily I mean not even and when you're in the middle of it it's more minute by minute. It's not even a day at a time. It's minute by minute. Choose hope and choose light and life on a moment by moment basis. I think what I experience dance. 'cause I was with her about the first month consistently was a just understanding that role of what restoration actually looks Mike. Which is why we're the hospitality piece ties Ed because now I with hospitality? I have a huge because the lord gave us his business to run. I think have a huge calling of restoration restoration and I. It actually came from that time of watching my watching our sister and being there with our sister and watching a person who is experiencing seen the broken out of this world in Excruciating Way and knowing that we get to be a we get to be a part of that restoration process and it was it it was awful but it was also such an honor and a privilege. Yeah and why I wanted to do this conversation with you guys. This week is because this is a lot of people story where where the bottom falls out for. Whatever reason in a different way for different people and what happens in those first few days weeks months matters I and I wanNA talk at this from two size I want to talk about it? Katie from your choices in the way you walk through it and I'm not saying it was pretty you guys. It was excruciating and watching us. I don't know that anybody would go. Oh my gosh. There's so much faith over this family because we had lots of questions and anger and you know it's not like this was a pretty and we were all sitting around together. Gather talk about how good God was. There was a lot of hurt and a lot of crying and a lot of you know wanting to be the wall about what was going going on but I I think the banner over you. Katie was the rest in peace of God and I want to talk about the choices that you made early on because they were delivered and they're intentional and I don't know how you did it. I want to start with a story that happened in the first week or so. We drove up together to your house because she immediately she and her kids moved in with my parents and we drove up to get some of your things and just two of us and we weren't speaking. We were just in the car quiet and and if you wanted to talk you can talk. But I didn't know what you need so we literally just listen to music and drove might have even been in the quiet and all I remember. Is You looking out the window most of the trip and then you turned around one time. I'm you said you know. I'm really blessed and this is like week or so in. I'm thinking what she does. Not many people get to lose absolutely everything everything at the same time and see that. God's enough I will never forget it because it was a picture of of the way you saw your life of just almost being carried but talk about what those choices look like for you in the first few months I think that first of all you just said carried and that was the banner. Banner verse that I on the plane coming back Jimmy Burke and Erin Florida when we got the news in the night flew back to my house and grab my bag. It was literally on the thing that what is it called that carries your bag off. Whatever that thing is like literally on there and only grandma bag I need my Bible in my bibles in the front pocket and let me also say this? I was actually at that point in my life. There was like a two month period where I was very. I felt far from God actually. In that moment of hearing that news I was not in the scriptures every day at that point now I had been throughout my life and but there was this small season that I was feeling hopeless in several things things and you know earthly things and my job was hard and things like that. So grab my Bible and I'm on the plane. There's maybe three people on this fight and and the very first verse I open to was in Isaiah and it. It was literally like you know. Have you ever had those moments where you're just like. Open your vibe like bold print and says I have made you and I will carry you. I will sustain you and I will rescue you and literally line. I one of the very first verses that like was in bold print and it was the banner verse then it's still being reverse because it was like okay Lord like everything is in question now. Everything's gone as I know it on this earth or how I knew it. My kids are so healthy. Thank you but everything as I knew it in the future that I saw for myself and the life that we had built in everything that had been going a certain direction all of the sudden in you you know one minute comes to a halt and I just believed them and I just had faith in his promises and I think that when you you do lose so much all at one time it it does put you in a state of just truly longing for heaven and like I just remember like just longing for that heaven and for that complete restoration you just long for it and so I think that it no. I didn't know what the steps we're going to look like for Getting through this I as Brookside. It was like literally minute by minute and every morning asking for my daily bread and so deliberately chose to be in the scriptures. I I mean I didn't go into my car without my Bible didn't go to bed without without Bhai my side. If a panic attack would come upon me I would immediately get my Bible out. He would immediately like just give rise to my soul. The first few days and weeks I definitely was in such thick confusion and grief that I would out loud. Sometimes yell sometimes is cry through it repeat over and over and over again God is good God is good God is good and be crying through it but I kept saying it because I knew do that he was good. I believed that I didn't feel like what was happening to. US was good at all but I knew if I said it out loud enough times that I would truly it would sink in in those really dark moments and I mean his promise. Says you are good. What you do is good? You are good God. What you do is good and I had to keep reminding myself that over and over and over again? He's a good God. As a human being in our flesh we can quickly always go to the negative and I would continually every day in my journal and my terminal have every at the end of every day the prices of the day. And it's so cool cool to look back because you see in the trenches of like grief. There are still so many amazing promises and blessings that he is showing us every single all day and not in fact. I still need to do that in our lives. Now it's like you know looking back it would be little things like thank you for this conversation with this person Gave me hope or thank you for getting my kids through a day with laughter enjoy and no tears. Thank you for this conversation that I got to have have with Sawyer about you lord that you know I mean my kids. Faith grew through this experience. And I have those to look as positive things that happened happened so I would say really focusing on the things that were positive around me and I'm going to have a list of things that are deliberately did but definitely think it's important wouldn't if you do have the resources for help. If you have kids 'til pull away especially in the really first few days of grief that of a tragedy are trauma like being able to pull away from your dues because life goes on immediately and you have to do the normal tasks of the day but pulling away for solitude take time with God and like really resting in prayer and worship and Just time in silence and I told Janey and Brooke this morning I just found a spot that was comforting to me. It was the part it was a trail of the name. Well Jenny was like you can't can't say that this is the Big Dam Bridge Little Rock. But it's actually engineer. Who's like oh my gosh? You've got to change the name of that was like well. It's the the Dan River Anyway so anyway you go over this bridge and then there's this gorgeous forest of these really tall cypress trees. I don't even know Y'all I'm sorry I don't know really really pretty okay. This is pretty but finding a spot where you feel like you can pull away from the world and the twos where you are able to do the proper grieving leaving to cry out if you need to cry out to be angry if you need to be angry I think a lot of times people think that grieving just means sadness it also brings anger possibly to God and questioning your faith or questioning. You know his will in something I mean I did that and being angry at those who've hurt you I mean there's righteous anger anger and that and I think that having time to go through those feelings of emotions and being able to do it in a safe place. Yeah and I WANNA I wanNA speak into this because a lot of people are listening that they know a dear friend or family member going through hell right now and I would say to all of you you get to provide that for them. I'm watching a dear friend of mine right now. Jim Barrett stand beside one of her dearest friends. That just lost her husband and she is helping provide that for a lot of people are yeah providing that for her to be able to leave. And I think we've we've got to take that responsibility on and say hey. We're going to participate in this grief process with. Yeah and if that means helping with kids if that means you know bringing meals whatever that means so that people have space and time margin to greenland grief. But I think that's what was great great about another blessing was the timing that we were heading into the holidays. It was like late fall and we were together as a family. You know more than normal over the next few months awesome. We were able to really be together which I think so. Much of it was just in the being honest. That's what I was like. That whole drive. Didn't even have. It was just just having you there. Yeah it's just that somebody's what he's in it with you. You're not driving by yourself to go do horrible things like we're going to be in that with working on talking about this morning because I said in one of my things I wanted to relay was just that to find your people even if it's two or three people someone that you can call in when you're having a panic attack or your doubting or you can barely get out of bed ED. You're so sad having that person that you can call and say I need you like right now. Brooke reminded me at this time. When I was at the Rancho was there for a few weeks in the really thick of the grief grief and you know all I can say is every once in a while I would be so overcome with emotion that it would almost cause a panic attack where I felt like I couldn't breathe a bike? Just every question would get too too hard in all of it was too too heavy and I would just feel like I was painting and so all work dead would come in to my bedroom and she would just lay there with me and like tickle my arm about to start crying thing about it she come in and she took 'em our and then she. You just read scripture over me and and it just like it literally like immediately would cause me to breathe again and in that moment I was too overwhelmed are welcomed to even sit up and read like and so having those people and for me. It was my sister's had a few friends that were thought for me and let are up to and the community is so important. I mean I think it can help you thrive after after tragedy. Or if you don't have it. It can swallow swallow you whole and I think that that's a huge need. Well I would say to and some of you're listening you're like I don't have those people one. We did a whole season about go back and listen to it because it is. It is in the tragedy where you realize that that's where the void is and don't wait eight till urine a tragedy. I remember when Sarah Henry went through her stroke and I can't tell you how many people watched US rally around her because she was such a good friend and had so many good friends watched us do that and they thought to themselves. I don't have good community. I'M GONNA go get it from watching that and I think we've got to pursue that now you in the midst of times where we can breathe and but even in the midst of difficulty those of you that are thinking. I don't have people and I'm in the middle of it reach out to people. I think we're all crazy and honestly we. We got closer as a family than we've ever been through this. Like don't doubt what God can do in the midst of duty and don't doubt God's people because one of the other bullet points I was GonNa say is to ask for help and even if you feel like you don't have that go to person like have faith that the the person that you're not even you may not even feel that close to ask that person for help in I mean people are good. I mean there are good people everywhere we look and they will rise. I think you know especially for me. Having two kids young kids at the time I mean I had to consistently ask for help for a long time. I mean even through the years to come being single mom feeling confident in myself enough and knowing that I would return the favor to these friends and my family banging okay with asking for help because it can save your day Break I want to ask you about what you would say to people. That have someone they love going through tragedy like what do you think it is to to walk beside someone in difficulty. I want to add to you. Said pursue those relationships before the tragedy comes and I want to say to no. You're theology before the tragedy comes. How many times did we hear our sisters say thankfully? I've been walking with the Lord for a while. The people people that I see that have gone through severe tragedy in have found the hope that we're describing have been people who have done a lot of that work pre free tragedy and so not only knowing the people that you'll call but actually knowing who your God really is to. You is something that I continue to you. Think about Katie Story and think about what she went through and she even says there wasn't a question of who God was it was. How is he going to show up? How are we going to find hope again? How are we gonNA put lives back together but God was still God and that was that was true from I feel like from day? One to your question. I think that the caretaker taker. I'M GONNA call this person caretaker because I do think that's what again I'll go back to even the fact that now I'm working a business of Hospitality Talapity and I'm that that theology of hospitality which is restoration and repair it really for me. The depth of it came when I was walking beside someone who's world was actually falling apart. I think this world we live in we are just. There's a slow decay and we are being and whether we're being affected by it through tragedy or whether we're just being affected by it day in day out through you know what when I watched my children fight all the time time. That's just a picture of the broken out of this world cracked. I think that with tragedy was someone in grief. They're such broken pieces his and they're such destruction to that. It is so not how it was supposed to be that. It's so heartbreaking. I learned more how to sit in that because we don't want to sit in it. We try so desperately to distract ourselves from it to distract the person. That's hurting to reframe it. I mean sevens. We really do that. And we've done it well. Our whole lives and Arabists Evans and we always joke my happiest happiest places in our barefoot dreams robes with a cup of coffee and a beautiful view and right yes comfort and yes. We need to bring that. But it's also sometimes we have to sit in with them and sometimes for a very long time in God's timing his timeline and in light of eternity. That timeline can be a long time. Because it's you know we may be comfortable for a few moments sitting in it but truly we need to sit in it for as long as they need us as long as they need us. Because everyone's going to respond to grief differently. Everyone's GonNa Katie said. She's had. She had emotions of anger. She had emotions of anxiety. She had emotions of panic sadness and wherever she is. That's where I need. That's where we needed to sit. That's where we needed to stay for a while and not try to just move through it but actually let her sit in it and find the hope in those moments I just WanNa say what an honour Katie. It was to walk through that with you. I Know Mom and Dad Villa. Same Way I just think it never felt like a burden I miss actually the fact that we used to talk on the phone about five times a day. No you don't need you don't need as much now which I want to finish finished with that just the hope that God is brought into your life physically of just care but a never felt like it was a burden to walk through that with you? I always felt like it was a privileged to you. Carry that season. That was dark and so hard and I wanna be clear because we're about to. There is a little bow to this story. Now that's not to say it won't be hard for the rest of your life With your kids in different bit different situations but God has definitely done great work in the last year or so but that season was years long that you know that was years of growth and so some of you are in that season right now and you're thinking it might not ever end but I do love that. God talks about seasons and he says there's a season to mourn and there's a season to rejoice and I think thing for a little while there because of a lot of difficulties in all of our lives in different categories. It felt like it was just as easy to spare for years and and yet we are in a season of rejoicing as of recently so tell everybody a little bit about your life today years later. Well as she's saying that I'm just a have next to me. Just a few of my my favorite scriptures that I still read all the time but one of them I liked because I thought this was so true in first. Peter is says in this. You greatly rejoiced though so now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief and all kinds of trials. These have come so that your faith of greater worse than gold which parishes even though oh refined by fire may be proved genuine and may result in praise. Glory and honor when Christ is revealed though you have not seen him you love him I and even though you do not see him you believe in him and you are filled with an inexpressible inglorious joy. For you're receiving the goal of your faith the salvation of your souls and I love the line in this verse where it says refined by fire because I do believe in the trenches and in that season of grief and tragedy when I thought my life was over and I thought everything I knew was gone. It was being. I was being refined by fire and and glory. Yes there in my story. Sorry I'm able to show you some ways that he has blessed US abundantly and I'd feel completely undeserving of it but I also think through these hardships in through tragedy and through the things that we go through on this earth it's always for his glory and it's always for his sanctification in us and able then to to literally take deep root. I have the deepest joy and rest and faith because of the hardships. I've gone through because I have seen first hand. He takes care of me. Do I think it's always in the way that the maybe the world sees it as good no but he took care of me every single day every every single day. We'd ask for daily bread in every single night I'd go to sleep and I felt taking care of that being said we just celebrated probably one of the happiest years in our family. We got to attend your wedding to a godly man. We Love Donny Iron Race. He's such a good man and such a good. You know father figure to to your kids. It's and in that same year we have a new little baby is the cutest baby has ever lived. Yeah I really think you only God gave you the cutest just one. I believe my kids. They were keeping now. She's a cute one pretty perfect and I just I think even sitting out are actually standing beside you in that wedding it was was something beyond words. It was more redemptive than any wedding. I may have ever been to because I think everyone cried the whole time just just the way that guide brought this man into y'all's lives but I want to. I want to point out to everybody that I watched you in deep contentment. Before John Aaron it was in the picture and there was a there was a piece with guy that you had prior to this. And what you're preaching is not on the other side. This is how you lived in the Darcus arcus stark. Not knowing that there would ever be John Air not knowing that there would ever be that kind of future for your kids or yourself. So I mean I just thanks for her being brave enough to share about the darkies and of your life because it is really brave to all of you out there that are walking through this season right now we just the three of I just WanNa say we love you and we're so sorry and Brooke. I'd love it if you would close in prayer for people listening father. God you know all emotion. You are familiar. You have created it and I pray right now that each listener each set of ears represented will feel your deep comfort and the the redemption has happened. You died on that cross you suffered. We were saved for eternity for anyone wrestling without pray for their hearts and minds to be shaped by it and I pray for a very specific healing to take place in a hope more than anything a hope Lord that you would give that is not of this world but of your kingdom and of your eternity and I thank you for the model in our little sister that we joke with kipp Colorado little sister anymore but Qatar hero Lord and her story and the way that you did give back but also the way that she pursued you and that changed our lives forever. Thank you for being a part of that and you for just the what. What healing you bring in that? Jesus name in them. you

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Best of The Odd Couple for Oct 05, 2020

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Best of The Odd Couple for Oct 05, 2020

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Dot Com or stream it live every day on the iheartradio APP by searching F. S are. You're listening to the best of the odd couple with Chris Bruce and Rob Harker. Bill O'Brien gone. You said it. It's about time you want to expound just the you know what Chris went. First of all I'll be the first one to say I'm against coaches general managers I think there's a conflict of interest absolutely I think you need to people doing that job Chris, I. Really Do I don't care how I remember bill parcells. You remember that if I'm making dinner I, want to buy the groceries you know that was his his. Everybody can do it. Chris everybody can't do it and we've seen Bill O'Brien. You know make mistakes with different players Hopkins. They traded away a lot of a lot of payroll like you can't trade away your best players I don't care. You gotta be able to figure it out Chris and work with people. We don't have to be buddy buddy. We don't have to love each other right. The working relationship is is what sometimes you have to do. and. The same thing we saw with the lines Darius slay right? Same thing Chris. He's their Best D. and they get rid of them the lions but able to stop anybody no, you cannot do that. You just can't give away and the jets did the same exact thing. So we've seen these mistakes guys hobby generated waged. Yeah Traded Away De'andre Hopkins. Brown me off. A ton of money. Yeah. Cost while he gave him a ton of money Chris is nothing but mistakes here and they were and five and rightfully. So they finally made this thing how for Oh, informed saw a bad on for and they got rid and I will say this. and. I'm not I I agree with everything. You say it's time for him to go. However, they did have a tough schedule so. You know they they play for really tough games. Vikings obviously were struggling, but still a pretty good team most people's eyes. So they've had a tough schedule but to your point, look look at what the Andre Hopkins is doing with Tyler Murray, you don't think he could do that with the Andre looming. Shabby. According to Martin Whites, but he has done it with with. With this Shawn Watson and you trade that was just a terrible move in look one important thing for executives and coaches but particularly, even more so. Executives you are not more important than superstar players. Period. You could be a great executive, but you better have some great players. Period. And you get rid of the Andrey. Because you got beef and I know he wanted extra money and all of that he's a great receiver pay demand S. And so bill O'Brien has gotten look and I'm we'll give him his not flowers but he look he got them to the playoffs four of the last seven years or six years but here's what I'd say. There comes a time where you that's all he can do. Right it's evident. That that's what he is. He'll get you there but he can't take you any further. That was the case with our man assistant. Right. Marvin Lewis. Yes. Didn't you know especially in the NBA Playoffs launch? Times Chris Ryan was Oh and seven in the play offs. At some point you gotta say Okay we gave the guy show it happening lizard. Yup dwayne. Casey who is a good coach now he's in Detroit. He was in Toronto Rob Right they can't get over the hawk? Right nick nurse comes in and gets them over the Hump sometimes even in a good situation and I'm not saying this was. was good but it wasn't a horrible because again, they were essentially almost a perennial playoff team under O'Brien but he couldn't take them to the next level and this year looked like he wasn't even going to take them to the playoffs level. So I think there's a good move Romeo Cornell is brought in to replace him unless not by pass. The Romeo Cornell thing because obviously like O'Brien. He is a bill belichick disciple. And rock call him. You call a disciple, he them because they don't win. Brian you. In Houston who gets fired, you got criminel who fail as a head coach. You got. Our friend and did a good job in some places. But obviously out of the League right now is the head coach Eric Mangini. Genius right with the jets. Yeah and then kind of fell through in Cleveland and all that Joe Judge off to a rough St-. My Gosh a rough is an understatement way you know Bat Matt Patricia in general which. Did you watch. Did you see that Game Chris up fourteen nothing gave up five straight scores that is their mo and cold like like like look at New Orleans no Thomas didn't have their best player Chris and you'll get shredded like like the saints did to the Lions and now they've lost what is it twelve of thirteen I mean come on? Well considering you fired the guy who was air before him for making the playoffs two out of four years and going nine and seven his last two years and you said nine wins is not enough you got. You barely got nine wins in the three years of Patricia. He's got ten and twenty five right of ten, twenty, five in one and there Brian floors. Who's you know give them a little time but he he looked like a nice breath of fresh air on the Bella Chat. Coaching tree labs it year by now they step back. All right yeah. Yeah. One in three. So. The and you and I've talked about this before rob and I'm an old school got a little more old school than you even though you're, Oh, you're just playing old I'm a little old school I. I, don't mind. Coach a rugged coach. You know a coach who runs runs things I'm fine with that. But. You have to have the pedigree I mean it's high school you don't college might not do. This scholarship. Pocket Chris, so you can get away wooded. In. The pros baby, you better have the pedigree. Or you better have some other way of getting near respect which is probably winning right away right 'cause if it doesn't work if you don't win or they don't respect you because you don't have the pedigree, it could be ugly NFL. We see what Matt Patricia coming in with this swag I've heard pro athletes tell me about coaches who came in with major swag right and they hadn't earned it in the players is the players like, oh, he got swag like he's a multiple champion, but he's done nothing and they don't respect that and that's what I see rob with a lot of the not every single one of them but a lot of the. Check disciples. They try to run that Patriot way right and it just doesn't work is now working for judge is not Working Patricia with Charlie Weis Jolly failed. If you remember what was his name Chris? winning. Him. Was the coach before Dally Weiss I assume a nice start. There I forgot be. Willing Tyrone Willy Ham and why took his players you remember like the first first year and I a second year excelled at gave him a big contract and then when all his recruits came Notre Dame went down the tank and they wonder firing him right right. So so all I'm saying is most of these guys have failed having done well, and I think that the Bella check I don't I I I would be against hiring every anybody from his tree and even Josh. mcdaniels I interesting you know he's rumored. Rumor, but he's rumored to maybe replace O'Brien in Texas. He's always rumor critic got the job remember lost it in Denver. You know why lost it two weeks? Well, he was eleven seventeen. So yes, and what do you also you also moved up to take Tim Tibo in the draft and he also got rid of videotaping another opponent on the road. You remember that that's nice thing Bella check can do that. No one else can do. You can't take that on the road. Sabella check thing don't try to copy that. Now I hear you rob and you're right. Look some guys are meant to be like it's like rob when you hear people talk about owning a business, right? Let's be an entrepreneur. Everybody's on entrepreneurship, and that's great. I think we should promote that owning your own business being entrepreneur but guess what? Everybody can't be an entrepreneur. You know I mean whether one number one, you might not be built for it might not be your strengths but number two, some people have to work for entrepreneurs. Some people are going to be employees, everybody Cam, you our employees, you own some stuff to which your businesses, but we're also employees in we're doing fine with that. And somebody's guys are built to be coordinators or position coaches. There they may be great at that, but they're not meant to be the head guy. And it seems like many of Bella checks people are meant to be you know coordinators. Coaches under a guy like him. And Josh mcdaniels he's interested I mean look one one job he failed does it it doesn't mean he won't be successful somewhere else. We Act saw that we're Bella check who failed in Cleveland but still with the track record, these guys underbelly check I be a bit hesitant. Be sure to catch live additions of the odd couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker Weekdays at seven PM. Eastern four PM Pacific on Fox sports radio and the IHEARTRADIO APP my team instantly response to cyber threats might team helps agencies accelerate to the cloud. My team brings innovation too complex. It operations join the Gd it team to support insecure some of the most complex government defense and intelligence projects across the country own your next opportunity and career with challenging and impactful work apply now at. Dot Com slash careers. That's GDI t dot com slash careers. And equal opportunity employer disability veteran. This week. 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They stink this is a team that's supposed to be going to the Super Bowl I. don't even want to hear about the division because ultimately don't know I will wreck your little I. Don't WanNa. Hear anything about the division because last year at a chance to win the division they went to Philadelphia and the second the last game of the year and deck didn't have a touchdown they lost and the Eagles won that division. So I'm not buying this well division he. Could win the division and they stink. And everybody who keeps pointing to the defense? Well, what are you would? Do to defeatist. We know it's terrible. That doesn't mean the offense can't score because defense is bad that doesn't mean that that can have a shootout and win a big game. I mean, Cleveland drop the forty nine piece nugget meal on them what was that and here's your I. Don't WanNa hear any defensive that because he can't beat any good teams and he has been part of the problem just today back to back possessions on Sunday Dak and Zico Elliott lost fumbles. To The browns that turned into fourteen points and it was fourteen fourteen at at that point. So those things happen in week three, two loss to the sea hawks DAK Prescott had an interception and a fumble that were turned into fourteen points in thirty eight, thirty, one loss. So don't give me that that now has six turnovers on the season three interceptions and three lost fumbles. So you can't just say, well, you blame the defend good they can't. Stop anybody if you keep turning the ball over and allowing teams that have short fields, you put the defense in harm's way. That's what that has done. If I'm Jerry Jones I'm going to my bank account I'm going to go into the vault look at the money and roll around and say, thank God I didn't sign back. Oh my God look at where we are I wanted to see another year of this guy he got the franchise tag. He might have to go and be kirk cousins and get paid somewhere else because this is awful. The cowboys have a chance of not making the playoffs. KRISTA. Defenses Babb deck has been bad. Here's the other and don't give me these. The I got a new nickname for him stat Prescott because he's putting up these phony numbers after fall behind only at five hundred yards looking Dag liquid, all these great numbers and Mike McCarthy it's the same Mike McCarthy they ran out of green bay when they do cheese atom and told them to get lost. He went there and it's been held in a hand basket. The cowboys are mess. If you're a cowboys fan just face it. Hasn't been that guy decade on his way to be an elite has Chris. Bussard has fraudulently told you week after week after week what a dumpster fire, the Dallas cowboys are led by Dak Prescott. Are you done? Stop Rob. Parker. That was week that was as weak as the Dallas cowboys defensive. Front, as weak as the Dallas Cowboys linebacker core as weak as the Dallas Cowboys Defensive Backfield as weak as their defensive coordinator stars He. Has Not the first. Time I will not let you see here as we gotta both sides of your mouth, you want to rip that Prescott because he's stolen for four, hundred, twenty, two yards a game. He is pace. This, is comical. This is NFL madden. Business out. Go back to my day television Atari. I mean he's on. Sixty. Nine hundred yards and he's the problem. I'll give it to you he Russell Wilson. Pat mahomes he's not Aaron, Rodgers, but you don't start the discussion of what is wrong with the Dallas cowboys with back. Prescott he's way down the list below that wretched that horrific that treacherous that absolutely abysmal thing they call the defense. I. Mean They are a joke. They are last not second to last not bottom five not bottom team day. L., AST In points allowed thirty six and a half points a game heck, they scored thirty eight points yesterday. You should win that game and I won't let you sit here and play the hypocrite I'm GonNa save you from yourself. Tom The preach the right. Now it's time for an alter call 'cause rob Parker is playing a hypocrite y'all because every time I hit him with wide does Aaron Rodgers only have one super bowl not win appearance in his career as great as he's been well the. The faith. But when it comes to back out of water here about the defense while you're gonNA hear about it 'cause I'm not GonNa let you talk out a Bono going up you right here because they. The other don't be. Angry, giving it to you. For. Paulo up you go show me a time with Aaron Rodgers at six. Thirty. Three Games he. Him Be, they should be oh, four, they gotta give win. Every Rogers has been good teams Chris Deck has win he has a new. The, regular that. Nettie body into. The supposed to be a super bowl team. When I remember feeling the packers those allows. A Win Way of two thousand, any left they got a win gets Atlanta. That's what you're holding your hat on i. just gave you the facts this year back back joyal facts taking taking games at attack eighteen and making it a fourteen point swing now goes. To the bar. Quality, you. Your I. was only to buy Audi. Go with. US. Win here with me for talking about. He's an elite quarterback that press got his. Dot Net Stafford number stat path they're all fraudulent numbers, Chris Sports as a short menu wins and losses and cowboys aint. Big Up in your boy for winning the division about winning a super? Bowl. winning. and. Visit Me Talk. How `Bout Win the Super Bowl. Yes. Throw it prettier. You throw it nicer than anybody that's ever played the game but when you lose if defense fall. And you WANNA talk about? Well, no. Put them in a whole who who put the records in the whole last year in the NFC. Title Game Against The niners. And then you want a tweet at me yesterday because your boy Carson Wentz, he's GonNa win a game. Got Off the SNIDE. He threw. Tourist is. there. For Two hundred. You spell. Dallas. L. S. T. Dallas he nick mullins rob you lucky CJ pather didn't play more. You got a winning. Live With whoever's outside? Boy has been terrible. Now we hold up boy. Has All That, fro. Lo- John Aaron. Rodgers. Live this. Joe Lynn so I'll just start ripping Dan. Marino why don't you start ripping drew brees wild you start ripping all of them because they got a bunch of numbers to. Dan Marino. Super Bowl is garbage is stack Dan. Marino stat pad Dan or whatever you want to come up with. Stop It. I'm not saying he's playing like a hall of Famer right now he has made some bad throws. He is fortunate that he didn't have more interceptions yesterday but dope begin the discussion of what is wrong with big little W s with Dak Prescott, there's thirteen. Joe's. Zeke Elliott loses some burst. Let's talk about Amari Cooper making business decisions instead of going in there to catch a ball down the middle. Let's talk about all that before we get to back. This was. A row. Now you right is going. rounded. Route it could nobody believes in practice is able to come over there. All you you. Talking about. Dak.. And now you're saying I'd Never I. I. He's In. Grew Chris Bussard. Excuses for that guy, they don't beat anybody they are one little league. WHO has about? He he he's in it. Don't tell me don't care about stacks when that's all you got fair Roger they're fakes it. Says to. Anyone, a super bowl don't even men. Last that Chris has. That who cares about those phony number all Went down last year. Long and he didn't even touch that. I thought it was a short menu. He's been garbage the last two and a half you know it any you want to see may man up. With somebody I champion. Struggles amand up and say bring it. You want to talk Carson Wentz Hor mouth no oversight you WANNA. 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It just doesn't happen for you to sit here and tell me that a forty three year old is GonNa get better as the season goes on is just who is just how? I mean, wow. Z.. Y. Woo all that. No. He has gotten better wells wells woo as I say his passer rating has gone up literally every single week and this last week I mean man for a forty three year old. To go thirty, forty, six, sixty, percent. Three hundred sixty nine yards, five touchdowns. In a thirty, eight, thirty, one win over to La chargers who actually pretty good. I mean and it was throwing the long ball. was hitting guys depots as he has a lot of over twenty yards as year. I mean. Even, you need to be giving him some properties. He don't look forty three. He. Got Nothing to say is that it? I'm just I mean I must argue I don't know how you to rebut it now. I mean let's because they haven't been as anybody. Can. Diners. Charges a one in three Chris who else who else can other win chargers played the best. Gillian you're give me a winning overtime. What in three? How about? How about the they got who invaluable record in? Tough Daviau Denver a tough division they got the best record another band. Do his beat the wanted. They had anybody I get that, but they haven't beaten anybody and we'll see when the scheduled start to get a little tougher how good Tom Brady it's he also do another pick six that's. Six and. Five or down in his last six game I'll. Pick six in exchange for five Takeda keeps happening over and over because he can't whip the ball in. Well. So did he easy? It in is about this crossfield pass the areas keeps running why run when he's older I'M GONNA say he has a strongest army in the League as strong as was six years ago but he has been able to make the deep throat with the touch. That's just evident. Tampa. Bay is for real. I'll give you having played the the hardest schedule in the league. But they are clearly for real admitted. No, I don't buy it. I still think that beat the chargers in Denver. And the panthers to into their okay. Did nothing to write home about you gotta play was on the schedule. But we'll see I'm GONNA I'm GonNa Reserve, and wait to see when they got the tougher part of this schedule. Let me see Tom Brady get some better teams in better defenses, and then Chris, I'll be willing to do that right now you're playing with fools gold that's what you. Yes. That's what you always Tom Brady foods go. He's been nothing super bowls and he's and he's also. Body I'm just talking about right here in white now looking at the team, the weight setup just I'm not that impre got Talat He doesn't have to be Air Rogers, Pat Mahomes. They got talent as long as these competent. At, forty three and he's playing with his mind he's smart. They that that seem has a lot and we saw they were without winner fortinet. They were without Chris Godwin. I mean Mike Evans is Nice. OJ Howard wait a minute timeout another touchdown by Aaron. Rodgers ten, touchdowns and no picks. Okay. Rob The season. Just that was worth cutting off the disk Jaradat just threw a touchdown to why didn't we? Hold the phone just wanted to throw it out I. Just wanted to go jerry stem just. Folks I just wanted to throw that out there I drive to one. Gerry Adams I, drive thirteen tin. and. Did Horry Didn't get hurt. Did He? Buy Her gaming that he's terrible and they benched him. Hurt his feelings. So they threw in Jarret Stidham. Let's see what this Guy Owen hearing about. Guys, not play well, I don't blame them. This is like one of those look see, right? Right Harder right. He not. He don't you don't all him anything. So we're to see what's got anyway right in a in a real game is going against the top team. Let's see what he's. May. Offense hasn't been doing anything Chris. Why right take a look at him Old Ryan Hoyer anything absolutely absolutely. But what what do you see? From Tampa Bay from Tom Brady, honestly not ripping praising whatever. But what's your kind of take away from what you see for I? Don't I don't have a gauge on them yet I still don't believe that there are as good as their record says, and only because of the competition I'll just wait I'll just wait to see and if they start beating some of the better teams when the schedule gets a little tougher Chris now reevaluate but right now I'm not there. All right. That's rob. Parker. Not There rob not there parker but. We got we got a barn burner. Tonight. We're Kansas City and New England and Rob Gee said to me during the break. Rob. New England's actually really good I. mean they're they're playing the chiefs tough. Without. Cam Newton. And imagine if you had him. Back in the history of football plan. Why? Why beaten them without camp where they are? They are being why me why be by short menu? Is that you win by three or thirty decision. They beat the Ravens by thirty three. Yeah. Mass about tonight we're talking about. Sixteen Games you you're not going to be at your best. Every single game patriots might win this game. They might be able to pull the UP. Hey, Kansas City's loses some games I would imagine. So it can happen but I don't think so and you pick them to win too. So so you know before you before you go to in on them. I'm not going in on them. I'm just asking you. You don't want to ask me. That's all you asked me with an attitude I i. picked it. I've been married twenty five years. You know I can pick up an ad I. GotTa Add. To. You. Is The odd couple Chris and rob I look. I. Folks. y'All know me. y'All know everybody stick. Okay. You know skit stick. You Know Shannon stick or I should say viewpoint. Rob Parker's viewpoint. You know I'm coming with the truth I'm coming. His objective, I don't carry nobody's water. Yeah. I like Lebron but I. don't mean I'm GonNa Pick Lebron to win everything and I mean I'm must say he's the goat at doesn't mean I'm just going to overlook when he struggles. 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Top Ten Fantasy Football Tight Ends

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Top Ten Fantasy Football Tight Ends

"Top ten fantasy football tight ends edition of the sports gambling. Packets is presented by my book dot AG. Mybookie dot AG is the fischel online sports book of the sports game on podcast use the promo code S, G P fifty and get a fifty percent deposit bonus play win and get paid Rawson. Brought to you by Amazon. Log onto sports gambling pag cast dot com slash Amazon bookmark that link every time you shop at Amazon to score sweet savings and support the podcast. Welcome everyone to the sports, gambling pack SIM, Sean stack in the money green with partner and picks. Right. Real money Kramer. What's happening Crame dog excited to talk about some titan shown? Oh, yeah. Your favorite. Right. Right. As a young boy, always dreamed of being a backup tight end for the Philadelphia Eagles, even then I realized I was most likely not gonna come out of that. It'd be a starting tight end. Ernie resigned myself to the fact that it'd be a backup tight end. So, yeah, it is. I have a connection tight ends. One of my close personal friends all fame and rob gronkowski. You really like double tight end sets. Exactly. I love a two tight end set. Speaking. Bill, check the baby whale himself. It's a baby fucking wheel tweet parcel tweeted out a photo of him on vacation with his attractive wife Saint he went to the Greek islands and brought back a tight end. Wow. Okay in did I mean I I like it. Yeah. Just like we put a ring on it with Kyle Lowry. Kobe Colby was really proud of his Photoshop we oh, he did actually did he actually did the of shop. So check that out over an Instagram dot com slash sports. Gambling podcast awesome. He knows that he used Photoshop. He does learn WordPress. If figured that out. Yeah. But yeah, call him back to that joke. It was Kyle Lowry. Someone tweeted out that he had a fat ass in a ring and some of you bitches don't can't relate. So then Koby Photoshop day chicks giant Assan Cutler. I mean now that I know that well done well need to give that manner age don't let that get through his head. Start wanting to do three hour mega pods with Patty see breaking down week potential. He's going to break down the Rosebowl that hasn't happened yet. You should check out the college experience. They're almost all the way through the season. Brady down every game. They're previewing every game I think you're on week eleven eleven weeks ahead of time. Four months ahead of time. Ideally, this is an evergreen episode. So if you're just checking this out normally, or hey, if this is the middle of August, and you're doing your fantasy football research. Now. We are taping this June. What's today Ryan June twentieth? Twenty-first June twenty-first things could change before the regular season. But I, I listened to our NBA podcasts. And while it was a fun podcast. It's, it's the NBA draft. No one really gives a shit the draft. Isn't that exciting? I was listening to Bill Simmons. Pat cassidy. What, what, why are we not doing this in two nights? The fans want fifteen minutes or twenty trick. Or are you talking about the draft was? I watch it's something to throw on, but you can't compare to the National Football League. The pageantry no one hundred thousand people aren't coming to an outdoor version of the NBA draft. It's just not happening. I like the NBA but we knew a lot of the picks were already out there. There was like a bunch of trades, which are kind of interesting, but not I don't know. I had a great idea for a tweet the other day, but I'm still taking it Twitter right now, Kramer Centric, Sean, so senior foot into the water social media, wait, the NBA draft happened. What we got into this a little bit. Yes. Why do the Bill Simmons is of the world? Is it Simmons's? You know will similar. Jump in before forget, what annoys me is that they try and say, the NBA is a three hundred sixty five day year league. No, there's only one league that you can talk about three hundred sixty five days of the Iran, and they don't need. Eighty two games to do it. They need sixty fucking games because it's the greatest game on the National Football League. And of course, right as we break down these fantasy football tight end this podcast as our podcast and our entire podcast network gets presented by my bookie dot AG, bookie HDZ official online sports. The sports gambling podcast. You wanted to deposit withdrawal using bitcoin? You don't know how to do that. Are you going to do? Go to sports gaming cast dot com. Click that news tab. I wrote a nice blog explaining, how to deposit and withdrawal on bitcoin. Seeking cash a ton over my bookie data AG already got win totals up. They don't have NFL VP because I have got feeling about one Carson Wentz, I wanted to get down early on it. They have week one week, one NFL lives are up. Will we be in Las Vegas Brian for the National Football League week one? Lack that up. And of course, lockup an account over my bookie dot AG using the promo code. S G P fifty. I didn't mean to be rude, right? And interrupt you there. No important business to get to yes, we will be out there week one. John Aaron have a full day of fantasy football traps. And I said, I wasn't gonna do, but I got got got one on Saturday too. So all day on Friday I want on Saturday. God. Here's my problem. Well, yeah, here's my but we will be there. So stay tuned for that. Where where will we watch games? Why are pal? We learn a gay over at the super book. He always hooks us up. He's gonna football central over there, the west gate. Yeah. Feels like the right thing to do, right. Yeah. I'm gonna I'll hit him up. I'll try to get us a table that we can hang at we need eight s GP VIP table. That's the goal and maybe we can throw in a couple of giveaway tickets. Oh, wow. See that that's the promotion. I don't I don't think you need tickets during regular NFL. You know, there may be there are changing. Here's my problem. Sean, yes, we have the Bill Simmons is of the world and these NBA enthusiasts screaming about how exciting this NBA draft. Is it should be a two night of vent? The NBA is, is, is twenty four seven three six no it's not. No. Anthony Davis getting traded like why that's not a big. It's not a big new cycle. I get that. It's cool. It's, it's a big news because a big a big time player is moving teams. But all right. Who gives a shit. It was always going to happen, the NBA draft. All right. Any excitement. No, no, the Zion got traded. That'd be pretty. No nothing exciting the Knicks cut RJ Barrett. What the fuck. No. One is excited about the here's the other thing I we probably should do the summer league thing sometime that it is in Vegas, it does seem to July. But even then, thank you for stealing, thundered Vegas in July sitting in a shitty gymnasium all day watching rec league quality basketball. I don't know. It's a little better than rec league. And I guess that would be excited to seize I on, but I have a feeling they're not gonna let Zion play summer league. Right. Is that crazy, you know, who will be playing some early Ahmed hill from Virginia Tech on the Brooklyn? Nets. Even I care about anyway, anyway, indeed, Ryan, I'm enjoying a delicious Dunkin donuts coffee. They're, they're not a sponsor normally I don't throw free plugs, but he's I picked up Dunkin donuts. They have one now in Burbank has right before the podcast. We just played some golf in at our favorite public course. Bell. I played pretty much like shit. Although I did hit sweet twenty-five putt. For Bernie, you played, what would you give yourself solid? I birdied the hole before I was hitting frozen ropes off the tee, which is very rare for me. You had some nice drives, but then couldn't finish. Classic. Classic main, Sean just for the record. We only play at public golf courses here on the sports gambling podcasts. 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We're, we're gonna go backwards from ten to number one breaking down our top ten fantasy football. Joe ends going backwards talking about side. Ends John, give me your number ten tight end. I feel like for number ten. You got to be thrown a bit of a I guess you're, you're going for it at this point. Right. You're taking a guy. I'm guessing and tight end is going to be going in, like, the, the later rounds. Probably, and that's and that's also begs the bigger question. Do you have a strategy when it comes the tight ends or do you just lump tight ends in the kind of pass catcher receiver thing? I think that's a mistake this year. Yeah. This year. I think I will most likely target Erz Kelsey Kittle that tier one, the thing is because you know a Yahoo league. Right. You have a tight end slot the slot. And you can only use it for tight end. I think a lot of people look past the tight end when really that could be your fourth receiver. Right. You have your two receivers. Then you have your slot house this where you ideally put in a pass catching running back or a good third of receiver position. The tight end is a secret fourth receiver slot that doesn't get used enough. And I think the big thing and obviously it depends on your league and a lot of leagues like the F FCC leagues. I'll be participating in. They allow to flexes where you can play additional. They have that point and a half per catch. If we're talk are we doing standard here? Yeah. Not that it really matters. But I agree with you. And I also think they're tight end is deeper than it's been the last couple years. The tight end position has been very deep. And but all that being said, I still think my strategy will be I will go, get Kelsey kit alerts early, especially in an F PC format. If I don't get one of those guys I feel like the next year is quite wide and. I'm not even trying to put out these awesome puns. And honestly, like I think for me the guy, I'm going to throw tenth. I've seen him in this realm. It's gonna be Vance McDonald. And I'll tell you why Sean. Upside. All right. Well don't we'll save it for the where you got him in your top ten. He's number ten oh going backwards. I was tossing it up now. Okay. Jump in. Well, I just it's Vance McDonald. And I think it's Big Ben will throw the tight end. It's not going to be sexy. I think Vance McDonald gives him something at the tight end position. He hasn't had much of he's got that speed. And again when you're talking about the temp tight, and you're you're you're talking about mid to late round. So I think you can definitely take a stab at a guy like this so many so many position I, I haven't some on my list. I have him higher. Oh, save him. I'll say my takes on him for when I get to him, that tie-down my slots house a slot. My number ten tight end for the New York football. Giants me Evan Ingram possibly occurred to see here, everything super tell to guy you think would benefit. Possibly more targets with the boat trip document Cleveland AK Odell Beckham junior. However, for me, there's two red flags that, that, that don't allow me to move him higher up on the list. Legitimate questions about quarterback. I mean. Have you not seen Daniel Jones? Yes, I have is. So big on his shoulder. There's legit questions a quarterback and injury plagued. And it wasn't just hey, he blew out an ACL he was out the entire season. It was it seemed like a bunch of kind of weird, nagging stuff and different injuries. Concussion knee injury. He sitting out of OTA's sitting out of OTA's kind of a red flag me Jim getting that, that, you know, getting in a good rhythm with the quarterback, you're not building any sort of chemistry with possibly the new guy. Those are all reasons. I don't like him higher. That being said he is an athlete, a guy who can catch the ball. So number ten Evan Ingraham. Oh, interesting. So funny enough. I have him number nine, I, I think I think he has some sim significant upside. I didn't like them last year. I like a more this year, just because there's a number of targets to be distributed, and I think we're going to see him running a lot of friendly routes ally has always thrown to the traditional titan. End a ton. I just wonder with with Evan running more the slot. You could also use the Victor Cruz house a slot. The Victor Cruz comp unfortunately, I think the best thing, Evan Ingram does stretch the middle of the field in that as we know Sean not ally manning, strong suit, that would be why I only have met nine I think Evan Ingram legitimate legitimately, just because of the volume he could end up being at the top of that kind of tier after Kelsey Kittle inert. So he's going to be my number number nine guy. Coming in at number nine from the Super Bowl champs in two thousand here we own two thousand seventeen season Super Bowl chance to Philadelphia Eagles. Why you're sad? Why Gert so low Sean, Dallas Goddard? That's right. A second tight end cracks the top ten list your argument is you're bearing yourself, Sean. You're, you're crazy Homer. Let's take a look at Dallas, gutter extremely athletic pass catching tight end. He's coming off a rookie season. He had thirty three receptions, four of which for touchdowns and that's not even including his seventy five yard touchdown against the Cowboys that called back on some horrific. God awful pass interference. Play come not even talking about that. The entire off-season there's been one name that's been mentioned every single press conference. And that is Dallas Goddard who's the guy making waves OTA's Dallas guttered. Who why are they going to run even more two tight end sets than they have previously Dallas got who's going to be getting more red zone opportunities, Dallas Goddard that guy. Is going to be getting a ton of work. I know it's crazy to have a have a second tight end this late. But I think he's going to, I think it makes sense that he's going to beat out a decent number of tight ends because of how much they plan on using him in particular in the red zone. John. Embarrassing the brand I got him going for fifty touchdowns. Fifty fifty five touched out. No. I got him fifty receptions, and six touchdowns. Okay. I think that'll, I think that'll crack the top ten titans. Okay. For my number eight guy, I'm going to I feel like I'm zigging little bit here. Sean. Kef. I'm gonna go Austin Hooper near me out, yet he's going to have a ton of volume again. And well, I think he will have some variants. It's clear. We've had problems with with certain receivers named Julio finding the end zone. I do worry I do worry with who's the new offense coordinator in Atlanta. Dirk cutter. Her cutter really their cutter, he he's done something with the tight end for the past couple years in Tampa Bay. So, you know, the reason Vance McDonald, and Evan Ingram or behind him is I just think there's a high variance injury possibility there with both those guys. So Austin Hooper, I think he has a very high floor. I think he's not going to be a popular guy haven't seen him in any other top ten list. But Sean, I do have a stat here. He played seventy six percent of their offensive snaps last year. Yeah. There weren't many guys who played a lot of games in the dome. You get a lot of games in the dome, and you get you get a Matt Ryan who's his arms, not getting stronger. Hooper eight spot did not crack my top ten unfortunately, for us, and who I have, you know, what ends up happening when you guys more than the average is you end up like especially if you play best ball, you end up getting them on every team. So I I've not done a draft. Right. Didn't get Austin Hooper yet. Put a lot of explain again for people who don't know this is this is the F PC format where title for some reason, get one and a half as is there any sort of explanation, why they get a point ahead. It makes it makes more players relevant you to flex spots. Okay. So by by doing that. You're juicing up the tight end value, thus making more of them relevant period. Okay. Who's your guy my guy? He's a lot lower than than the talking heads will have you believe right? This is a guy who I think, was was pretty fraudulent last year. Okay. Got a lot of garbage yards decent tight end. But highly highly overrated, and that is George Kibble. Boy, why are. Why are you out to get George Kittle? Well, I'm out to get the George hilarious. Kill for a number reasons I if you look at the two thousand eighteen AP all pro team, I I'd end Chavis Kelsey. Okay. That makes sense. Second tight end George kiddle. Are you kidding me? George kiddle set the yardage Mark for a tight ends all-time, right? Thirteen thirteen seventy seven. That's why are you angry about this, because I'm Pat? A man who's passionate about a tight ends. Right. I just don't. This is all about. The fact that Zakar it's got bone, right. He had thirteen hundred and seventy seven yards off eighty eight receptions and five touchdowns. Yeah, I'd open offense Zakar had eleven sixty three yards. But eight touchdowns and a hundred sixteen receptions, so less efficient in a playoff team. Sean George kiddle is objectively, one of the top three titans. You're completely disagree. Crazy. You look I've I went through. I watched George kiddle highlights look at the score. Look at those big plays that he was making it was when it was when the game was already out of hand, and he was getting a bunch of garbage yards. It was also because CJ beat hard was his quarterback. Have you seen UAB hard has no business being in the NFL? And if you have no business being in the NFL, who you're going to throw to you're gonna just throw it up to the guy, you played college football with that was why George Kittles numbers are so crazy high when Jimmy G gets back. George kindles knock to have a thousand yards. Okay. That's my prediction that was a crazy aberration. What check I run routes? He's a freak. He's super athletic. He's there. There's no way he's going to match that some similar productivity. I just don't sit you what do you, what do you predict? He's going to have. Yardage. I think he's going to be a part of that offense. Because I what else do they what where is the speed on that offense on the outside? Okay. That's decent point. But I'm saying I just think a lot of it got inflated because they were playing games that didn't matter. And maybe maybe they'll be in that position again this year I think they'll be a little bit more competitive than they were last year. I don't think and I think offenses are going to our defenses are going to react to what George kindle did last year. And again I think he's a good tight end. I just don't think he's top five. Again, I think I will get to the top three but I think those he's in the top three. I think you're, you're making a bold statement here shown, perhaps your top three is the same as every other fantasy football person in America. I think it's a clear top tier. I think the rest of the way I think there's plenty of room for variants. He's a tier two player are right. A tier two now. Okay. Well, for my number seven guy, Sean. I, I like OJ Howard, I see him a lot higher. And I for whatever reason I just have this block with him. I know he's, he's kinda more of a big play guy. But he definitely, they definitely seem to be getting some chemistry Jamie's, we have to imagine that they're going to look to Jay Howard to stretch the field with Bruce Arians. That's kind of his style. I feel and again risk it. No, biscuit. Another guy in this second tier at tight ends that I think if you don't get one of the top guys in your definition. So maybe if you're Sean, you only want Zakar it's. But if you don't get that guy. Thank you wait and just grab one of these guys. So OJ Howard's gonna be my seventh guy. Okay. Yeah. I got OJ Howard a little higher than seven get to him in a second. My number seven, Eric E Brown. I mean, last year was EIB, Ron mania. He probably wants people, some serious, money and draft kings. I think he had a couple three touchdown games. He had he had fourteen touchdowns which was, and then that's not even including what he did in the playoffs. Let's see some regression there. There's gotta be some aggression, especially with. Especially with the colts getting jacked oil back in the colts. If you read the local stuff, they seem pretty excited to have him back. So he had thirteen regular season one in the playoffs. But yeah, he, he got sixty six perception seven or fifty yards. I think he's still going to be. I think he's kinda hit his stride. I think him and lock have some legit chemistry again. He's playing in that dome. I don't know about the rest of the AFC south defense. Maybe Jacksonville's defense will see I think the colts did hit their stride second half the season. I think Eric Brown's gonna be pretty solid not those crazy numbers. He put up like last year, but I would take him in the spot. I, I think you're low on him and we'll get him in a Bill. Okay. Who's your number six? I'm not I'm definitely not a fan of David in joke you in general, but I just how does he not just crush it in this with this offense? Like. I mean think of the offense, there's a lot of people that Culver cover that aren't David joke you? And, and that's and that's an I kind of went through the similar thing when I'm breaking these down. It's like does a great receiver help or hurt the tight end. Because in one way, it's like well they're gonna shade coverage. But in the other way, they're also going to eat up a bunch of their target. So it's interesting to kind of decide, and I think it depends on the system and what type of high profile receiver they are owed L Beckham and my boy Jarvis Landry. They're going to eat up a lot of targets and certain attention. Yeah. I didn't have new joke making my top ten. I just don't I so when I was going through this, because a guy who is in a lot of top ten just because of the offense I guess that I I don't get as Jared cook. And I do I see joke, who all over the board. And I just think maybe I haven't met six because of that ceiling. And maybe I have met six, because when he's going to he's going to go off and some games. I think he he's going to be more of a boom and bust guy. But I just think there's going to be enough big plays there, because of his speed because of the way that, that defenses are going to be spread thin. I mean again in Joko and Beckham. That's a good speed duel speed threat. Baker seems to like sling the rock around. Although he's, you know, some chemistry issues, maybe a little shit about another man's contract. You know, Mon other man's launch on. The veteran players got her out and started talking to things are starting to go. I to me I didn't put in joke in my top ten. And I think to me it was. I agree with those points. They make sense to me. Not putting joke in my top ten was just a response to the Baker hype. Okay. The Baker the Baker hype to me is gotten a little out of control. I wasn't super high on going in. I really liked what I saw out of him rookie year. But if you look at odds, he's there right behind Patrick Mahomes, I think we need a pump the brakes a little bit of some of the Baker mania, that's getting out of control. If you're Cleveland, I would be jacked of my mind, I would be saying, we're going to the Super Bowl is going gonna win an MVP. But as an outsider, I think, I think we had the pump the brakes on Cleveland figuring it all out last year. They kinda were just that perfect under the radar team. And they had Hugh Jackson. And so anything besides Jackson was a step up. Once they got rid of the Hugh effect. They had a chance to kind of find themselves. They want some close games. They had an easy schedule. No one took them seriously. I think I think this year getting back to that seven to nine is going to be a lot of work. And now maybe they are the team that makes the leap. I haven't done all my research yet, for the division previews but I don't know. I'm pump the brakes on the on the Baker hype. And I think that's why I didn't put joke in here my number six tight end and McDonnell. Oh, made some great points from earlier. I had him a little bit higher. I think I think Big Ben is getting older. He's going to need some easy completions advance McDonald. Is that guy Jesse James? You didn't mention this on you are grading Vincent, Jesse James, the other tight end he's not there anymore, along with Antonio Brown. That's a combined. Two hundred targets up for grabs Judy will certainly eat in the some of that. But I think there's a lot of a lot of a lot of room here for Vance McDonald, and Pittsburgh. They've had some real issues over the years with their defense. But their offense always seems to be. Productive, especially from fantasy point of view. Yeah. Nothing to add, they're like, I you nailed it. I spoke about it earlier. It does seem I do think there's going to be a random receiver there that gets a budget targets. It's pittsburgh. They always figure that out. I just think there's, there's a nice little spot there. An aging, Ben Rothlisberger wants to throw it a guys who've already know the system already familiar, yards has some chemistry with, and I think fancily town could be one of those guys. Who do you got number five Kramer? Well, number five, I think this is where you have at least for me. This is the start of the they have potential to tier one tight ends. And that's not our Henry. I think I'm, I'm maybe even low on him at five, obviously there's the he's coming back from a serious injury. He did get back on the field last year. That was good to see and Philip rivers he likes to throw the to the tight end. So sandy, go supercharge os. While I earlier said, if you're not getting a top tier guy, you probably want to just sift through the tier two guys until there's only a couple of guys left. I'm okay if you want to grab some some hunter, Henry stock. I'm actually I'm actually a little higher because it just if he's healthy. It's hard to see him not flirting with tier one. It's hard to see him not flirting with, with putting up the similar. Numbers to a guy like George kettle or even Zach arts, Sean, so hunter Henry is going to be my number five. Did tha decker text you as well that he ran into Philip rivers group tech? Sean. Yeah, I thought I thought you were included on it. But yeah, he ran into Philip rivers on Father's Day. And he hit Philip had like this giant sprinter van I think, all nine kids are in the back, but did he run at like a? Wasn't a jersey. Mike's mike's. And he just went up to him and said, like, hey, I haven't found there's they go chargers. I'm like, did you get a picture is like now decker? Come on. And this is your once in a lifetime opportunity. That's because he was off in the corner. Stimulating himself. He had no blood and his head all rush to different because on Father's Day. He met the man he wished. No, that's the end. Yeah, it's gotta be the craziest fathers. They would you have that many kids, number five for me, OJ Howard, you mentioned earlier. Ryen Tampa Bay the bucks. Actually, you may not know this led the league in passing yards and fantasy points per game from the QB in spite of all their QB back and forth between fits magic and Jameson Winston. They actually put up pretty consistent fantasy numbers, not necessarily wins. And again, they're in a situation Adam Humphreys end Sean Jackson, both out. I think OJ Howard I you nail that I think. He's a guy that could thrive in a Brazilian system. I could see him getting one hundred targets easily. I think I think Aaron's is going to simplify the offense for Jameson Winston. A guy who's have had trouble grasping concepts at times. I love how you call them Jameson twice Jamison. Yeah. I've been drinking times James Winston. James winston. I agree with you classical band. How does worry me James Winston? He can't grab concept just Hooper driver. He is. He's got the ball somewhere and I think we're not talking about running back Shaun, but Ronald Jones is another one because of the Bruce Arians thing. So I'm with you. I think this offense has potential part of the reason they put up so much last year. They were just shit. So yeah, and and again, there, the defense probably toughens up a little bit with a guy like Aaron's in there. So maybe maybe they won't be in a blowout situations as much. Yeah. I mean he's a hokey so go Arians. All right. Who's your number floor who's my number four while again, I think this guy has the ability to climb into tier one even with the regression touchdown regression coming. It's clear. Andrew luck, who is the king of the floater just likes to throw it up to Eric Ibran this team, there were t t y Hilton was dragging his leg around last year. And Eric Brown was still going out and just catching jump balls. So again, I think it's very easy for you to make the argument. Well he's not gonna catch fourteen touchdown passes next year and. I understand your this was easy. I understand the statistical approach as he had a great year. He's probably not going to do that. But. He was a monster last year. And I, I just don't see what changes for Andrew luck to not continue to go to that success. Yeah. I think yeah. I just I, he to me is going to be like seven touched. Oh, wait one more note about Eric Brown. He was once drafted ahead of Odell Beckham. That's gotta make them good. Wouldn't that be the ultimate I guess it's irony if he ends up being a better player because his back in washes out and Cleveland, right? Are you have you turned on your buddy? Yeah. Yeah. I'm not ruined for anymore. I'm not I'm not like you and Nick foles good job, Nick. But FC now I can root for you for Nick foles. Oh I mean I Rueda form when he was on. I will I'm right now, we're gonna we're gonna make as a giant, cock and Super Bowl MVP. That's a little different than Odell boat trip. Back we're gonna make a wager right now. Okay. You will be finding yourself rooting for Jacksonville this year. When we when we are watching games in the very awesome, sports gambling podcast studio. Who's Jacksonville doesn't matter if it's on your, you're pulling for big dick, Nick, I do have a soft spot for Nick foles, and no pun intended. Who's your number four shown Kyle rude off? Ooh, yeah. The more I think about the more, I don't love him here, but I included him here. Simply because of the consistency. The Vikings paid him which means they have to use them. Last year. He had a little bit of a drop tight end or touchdown wise you only at four touchdowns, if you look at the rest of his kind of run. He's been super consistent appointing up higher touchdowns. And they did drafter Smith. Yeah. But I mean previous touchdowns. Eight seven five like he I think he was just I think he'll just get a little bit more of Veron. I to me, this is just this is what Kirk cousins does. Like he loved Jordan Reed. I think he's going to build on what he had going with Kyle Rudolph. I like a dome tight end. Maybe he's a little bit high but yeah, I convert off at number four. Let me help you out here Travis Kelsey ninety five percent of their offensive snaps Zakar. It's ninety two percent George Cato eighty eight percent. Kyle Rudolph eighty eight percent. So there you go. Lot of all Hume there. It's in the dome. It's in a dome more. Do you need the Sacha? Number three. Well, Kirk cousins is great at just some garbage stabs, and you rank off seems to be the way that Eric how rude off the head of George kindle. It's cool. Yeah, my number three is George Kittle. It's a volume play. Yes. You make a fair argument Sean. He will have to get acclimated to Mr. the sorry, the very good-looking Jimmy Garoppolo. But I, I'm Shanahan's a good offense coordinator Shanahan realizes he has a weapon Shanahan will get George kill the ball. George Kittles explosive explosiveness and top speed is what makes him interesting because that's how you turn a ten yard grab into a seventy or grab. So again, this is the this is the top tier. George kettle is, is the number three guy. I think you can safely target. One of these top three guys and you will be you will have essentially another wide receiver ones lashed to. Yeah. I agree with your concept, but not with placing Kittle in there. I don't think he's going to be near. I don't think he'll be. I mean, what did I have him eight? Yeah, I don't think he'll be a top five. I wanna know who your number three is, is it hunter, Henry? It is hunter, Henry. Right. He's got a full year removed from the ACL injury. Tiro Williams no longer in the picture. But I mean hunter Henry his rookie year. Had eight touchdowns in Tonio gates, not re-signed yet. And this is gonna sign him and just tell them to run a six yards down the field and stop. He's on the Kyle Lowry offseason program. I I love hunter Henry. He, he has a lot of gronk esque, qualities about the way he runs his routes is blocking the guy that's going to be on the field a bunch, and by all accounts. He's fully healed from that ACL injury. And it just seems like he's going to have a really productive year. I think this is kind of like the beginning of the end for Philip rivers. This, this is like the last year of him being highly productive, I think, and I just hunter Henry seems like he's going to be part of it. Got it, Sean. I, I love hundred hundred this year. I definitely will end up with hundred hundred stock number two. Well, it's, it's your boy, Zakar. It's, it's hard to go away from Zakar. It's I guess the concern would be how how's the chemistry who's the backup quarterback? Nate. Sud fell house, the chemistry between Sud feld ours. Great, okay. Because we all know. Mr. Carson Wentz is playing under twelve games this year. The hell take that bet again volume play. He's on the field. Almost every down. He catches the ball and falls down. He's never gonna get you negative points for fumble. And he's gonna catch one hundred passes, so I think, anytime you can get. So again, if I'm talking to you about the PCM targeting Zakar. It's probably at the beginning of the beginning of the second round. I'm gertz. Sadly, I will take him as as my second or third guy if you were to fall there hundred catches from a tight end position. It's unreal. He's going to do it again. I do have the concerns that, that Carson Wentz will not make it through the season because of the, the back problems, he's got paid. Who knows what he's doing in the off season now. Poppin bottles, hanging out with strippers Zakar. It's is my number two tied. And I think you gotta put him in there, right? Sean. Oh, you got them. Number two. No, but Zakar did break the NFL. Record for season receptions. Oh by tight end did not make first or second team all pro. Why are you getting upset about this because George Kittles fraud, and I'm still mad pita for say he deserved it over Zakar. It's. Just forget stuff like that. Number two Travis. Kelsey, you're wrong to me. The reason he's number two is concussion issues. And, and I think the defense will focus on him bit without. Here's what's a best friend of a tight end is outside speed. If you have a guy. Desha Jackson Tori, Smits Atari kill having tyreek hill on the field makes your job much much easier because the story it's just the way the safety has to play. And if you're going up against safeties, you're going up against the fastest linebacker having you're just going to create more opportunities underneath tyreek hill. I'm predicting we'll be suspended by the NFL possibly a games, maybe more. So I think that could have an impact a little bit on Kelly's productivity other than that there's nothing really to be very negative about Travis Kelsey, like the guy catches a ton Andy Reid loves working in the offense. They I mean he's also a guy you want to talk about stealing tight ends research stealing touchdowns from running backs. They, they do love that little shuffle or shuttle shuttle pass to Travis. Kelsey, they also this. Another thing to look at does the team run tight end screens. Some teams just don't want them at all. Andy Reid will incorporate a tight end screen into the playbook, again easy way to get easier and easier. -ception so, yeah. Give me Travis Kelsey, number two, who I'm guessing is your number one tight end. Right. Very easily, and I disagree with your take on tyreek hill. Tyra care will miss time Travis Kelsey will absolutely see more targets because of it. And yet, and you're right. Maybe that's yeah. Maybe maybe ends up being a positive I could see I could see it impacting the little bit, though negatively he's he is a freak I will give you he's, he's had a couple of concussions but latte. He had a very good last year last year. Two hundred ninety five p PR points. And yeah I'm not trying to knock him that hard. I'm just saying why he's at number two and not one if he does get those extra looks because of tyreek hill. I think he has a very, very legit shot to be the top scoring receiver period. I think he could outscore every wide receiver, I absolutely think you can take Travis Kelsey in the first round of your draft. In an effort PC more format where you're getting one and a half PR definitely your. He's a first time but he could you could make kacie b I overall if you're playing, I think you've got a group running backs, you gotta take I, but I, I would say once that initial group of running backs Tatum, if you were at the number twelve slot, the slot house, a slot all day, would I take Travis Kelsey? Yeah. In a in a standard even full point PR. Yeah. I'm saying a standard full point p p are not enough FCC. I would absolutely take him in the first round. But I mean I would I would go further here because we're going to talk about receivers in a bit. Which ride receiver. Are you taking before Travis Kelsey? That's a great question. I don't I think I think for me, there's, there's a couple in there, but it's, it's a toss up, and I think the fact that he has a chance to outscore all these guys. I just I he's clearly the number one guy to me. Well, Michael number one Zakar. It's again set the record for the position for catches, which is a is a great metric for fantasy football and go. Sean Jackson is now on the outside. I think that's gonna push safeties back. He has a ton of chemistry with Carson Wentz and I just the guy catches everything like his catch rate is off the charts. He doesn't drop balls. He's a huge part of their offense. He caught you know, he caught the the touchdown that put the eagles up in the Super Bowl. The patriots like the guys clutch in every since he's getting slightly better at yards after catch. But again yardage isn't a huge metric even fantasy it helps. But really you're looking for catches and touchdowns he's going to have a lot of both. So key Zakar? It's number one overall so just to recap to eagles in your top ten. Yeah. I think they're going to. I don't have breaking news. Right. I don't have any eagles in my top ten receivers. Wow. Well, I, I mean, I'm done this supposed to take. There's no eagles that are any good at catching. Elson jeffries. Not good. Yeah. But we're, we're now we're talking about guys in the he's barely a wide receiver to shown. Oh, wow. He's probably what twenty fourth two. I, I'd have to pull up my rank how I'm gonna say, I'll Sean Jefferies probably in the twenty seven range of my, my competence, should I start posting my rankings. Yeah. Not that, that would be interesting, right. Yeah. Think people would want to look at it. If you wanna look at my hits NFL content of, of course, people want. Okay. Talk to my agent. All right. Well that about does it for our top ten famous tight ends, this is this is great. This is just getting me fired up for football. Got a we're gonna be cranking out of the bunch of these sustained tune. Of course. Subscribe on IT. He listened to your listen, the end of the show here. That means you must like to show. Why not do us a solid make up in your top ten podcasts, not top ten sports? 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Maybe he hasn't had super productive tight ends, but certainly an interesting opportunity for the first round pick. I think another guy who he's old as shit. But Jimmy Graham is he's going late. He's he's like the twentieth tight end. I think you can do worse than Jimmy Graham on Green Bay. I know he's ginger. Go with it. I. L throwing a tray Burton. I think he was little underused. He didn't crack top ten here. But again, he's, he just seems like you know, you're Mitch Trubisky. Nope. You're going to need some easy. Throws Mitch a couple games where very bawled out. But I think Trey Burton Mitchell Mitchell Trubisky underused, and they could look to use him a little bit more so trooper. Yeah, I'd give him a shot and, and Hayden. Hearst. Again, he was he was the rookie for the ravens had some injuries had trouble getting out there, his, his rookie year, they invested high picking them will see what their offense looks like I think they have some retooling to do over there in Baltimore. But Hayden hearses a guy that could make some noise to ease guy, maybe if you're just going to punt on the tide imposition, which I wouldn't recommend. But if you do, like, if the if the tier one guys Zakar and Travis jealously and not George Kittle. If you're in that and you miss out. On the two or three tier or even the two-tier you could do. I think Hayden hers could be a little sneaky play couple of guys. Do like Dallas guard. Got her later for a lot of the reasons. You said I just don't think he's a top ten guy. I actually like another guy in Baltimore. That's Mark Andrews. Okay. I think this is what's in again. This is what's awesome about the preseason is. An opinion. Well, you can watch the games you can get a little sense, but really if you read the local beat writers. That's why red. It's really good. If you really want to know your shit if you really want to find out like, oh, wait. I'm just randomly on the cog bears. Sub read it, and they're they everyone of these articles keeps mentioning that Tariq Cohen's going to be used as a receiver. You're like, oh, hey, I should hype him up. And then you put them in your draftkings lineup. And you went to grand. That's a kind of research dedication, you wanna do him barely remember that last guy threw out there. This is more of a best ball pick. Someone grabbing as like my third or fourth tight end mica Seki. He's one of these guys freakish. Eight guy looked like a compl- didn't look like he belonged on the NFL field. But maybe something clicks, maybe it's magic gets them going. He certainly a guy where if you don't have to decide to start him. And you just get the points if he has a blowout game like that. That's he's a fun guy. One guy, I'm gonna throw out there. I don't think you should take it all Jared cook. I just I'm not. Hi. I just don't. I mean, I think I did some research. I wrote nothing down those shown about this. And I don't think drew Brees creates productive titans. Yeah. That's a thing. Yeah, I had a great year last year. I just he's not someone. I'm looking to date drafter shimmy. If you have a great year on shitty team. And then you sign a big deal and go to a good team. It just it the productivity never carries over so outside of Jimmy Graham from two thousand eleven to two thousand fourteen when he was the tight end won or tied into every year. He has not. He has had one tight end. It's finished in the top ten and that was Ben Watson in two thousand fifteen so yeah, now granted Jared cook is different kind of tight end. But I just I don't know. I don't know how Moore I'm not I'm going to take him show. He's in a lot of people's top ten rankings. I just think he's the guy staying away from. Awesome. For participating in the Spurs scaling. Remember, subscribe watching drink Dunkin donuts coffee, and sit in my golf outfit, as recording, this podcast, YouTube dot com slash sports game my podcast, thank you, everyone for tune into the podcast review share on teams four sports. Give him a pass. I'm Sean stack in the money, green and e is Ryan, we can just call it a golf shirt, not an outfit, Sean Kramer. Let it her.

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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: False starts

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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: False starts

"Hey, everyone. Welcome to another episode of the orange black insider Bengals podcast and just how the calendar falls. This episode coincides with the brand new twenty nineteen NFL league year, happy happy new year. John Aaron on a static. Yeah. I I could tell your pop the champagne bottles in the little the noise makers over there right of palms. There's streamers I forgot banner, unfortunately, but I just took that down early this year while you're a little less decorative in the background than you were a couple of weeks ago on the program for those who watch us live or check out the video of afterwards. You had you were quite quite the fan boy a couple of weeks ago. And now all of a sudden some things have changed. Yeah. Put away for for goods. I bet I bet we're gonna talk about a lot tonight, including what the Bengals have and have not done in free agency. We're going to break down the contracts to a handful of players that they have brought on board in the first couple of days of free agency. And we're gonna help we're going to have help breaking those contracts down with Andrea pirata who. You know, he actually converses quite a bit for those of you on Twitter. He actually converses quite a bit with beat writers. He converses quite a bit with NFL writers. And obviously all of us it since he jungle on this podcast, very knowledgeable about cap situations contract structures and all that. So he's to be joining us in about fifteen to twenty minutes. We're gonna be talking about kind of a hot take John. You're going to debate couple sides to one specific argument with the Bengals quarterback in some other teams based on what those teams have done so far in free agency. And then we're gonna try and get to some listener questions at the end of the program as well. You can get the show on I tunes on Stitcher on Google play. You can get it on the megaphone platform. All of our stuff is on cincy, jungled dot com. So downloaded subscribe where you can. And you get this show checkouts video content. We have on YouTube. We did in case you are a little late to the party. We did have a free agency kickoff. Video and audio segment was. About twenty or thirty minutes on Monday, we uploaded that. So definitely check that out. And this is going to basically continue off of that. So john. Oh boy. Do we want to start with? I guess positives. I or negatives. I let's let's even getting chronological order of how everything happened. I guess I I guess we could do that you, and I have not had a chance to talk about the tender offers that they sent out to the restricted free agent group is five of them. I mean, Brandon Wilson backup safety special teams guy signed his one year tender there. So, you know, decent move. I guess there for for special teams purposes versatile guy, at least, you know, he'll be there for coverage teams. I don't you got a little time on defense. But I don't see anything substantial happening there on defense for him. The big news though are the two offense of linemen that the Bengals set offer sheets to on the not surprising side. I guess there's a little bit of his prize with but trae Hopkins was was sending offer sheet at the second round level the tender there so a pretty big compliment by the Bengals to trae Hopkins in terms of how they value him. Versatile guy played center played right guard even has ability to play tackle making about two million. If if when he signs the deal there, your thoughts on trade Hopkins getting offered at that level. I think we expected him to come back from what he did last year in the value that he provided for coming in for an injured Billy price who missed six games or whatever. And but yet like he's valuable piece in the development for for four or five years. And it's kind of what they do. They ward development in Vail ability, and he brings both that Nelson versatility as well. I think the second time fists like three three million. I believe in I'm on a security if they're going to have put that to the side, maybe negotiate a two three or deal for Hopkins to become maybe in more valuable may be slightly more expensive version of TJ Johnson. The the main interior back of who's active on game days. It'll be interesting to see what Turner plans for him to be may more. Maybe a backup center. Maybe he competes for the center spot if they have other plans for Billy price guard, but the the three million price tag is a little bit more expensive than what they could on the good on the around tender which is a little bit less expensive because he was undrafted free agent. But he's one of their top for offense alignments Lyman players from last year. So it was pretty obvious to keep him around to keep your best players can't say that about the the the other office Lima that tended Bill while go go ahead you using their Alex Redman. And by the way, anyone who follows myself into our job. Good berry on Twitter. Probably got a couple of nights surpri. No, I got a nice prize in that outs. Redman started interacting with us after some negative comments. We put out there on Twitter, but go ahead about Alex Rodman. I mean, he was an exclusive race three agent. So the Bengals typically bring those guys back decided Brennan Wilson just like did just to just like they did quarterback. Tony McGrady so him being brought back. Doesn't really mean. Much. Wasn't too surprising because it's just a one you deal worth less than a million dollars. So essentially what that is just a camp body. But as we seem from last year, we thought Redmond was potentially going to be a camp body in competition than got noted as starter in very early in the preseason. We're gonna see if Jim Turner evaluation of of remnant differs any from maybe Marvin Lewis Frank Pollock's evaluation of them of him last year that basically got him above tree Hopkinson Christian western another right art spot. He's not good. And he probably is barely roster will this point in this contract, obviously reflects that. So I don't think much is gonna change your him, regardless of what type of new scheme that the Bengals could implement. I think he's still very limited player, very limited athleticism, but very feisty. We've seen that from his Twitter rinse. Yeah. And so feisty in fact that he he's notorious for false starts. He still he so ready still a action. Let's let's spin it into positives. Especially since he's paying so close attention to everything we say about him. Yeah. I mean at this point though, I mean, I guess. Based on Hopkins talking about Hopkins in Redmond here. I guess where you go. Is you say well Hopkins got more money and had you know, but he was the backup last year played descended center. Like you hit alluded to in the in the wake of Billy prices injury. Came in for a spell at right guard. Actually, finally Marvin Lewis, I think yanked out Redman at one point in finally put in Hopkins at right guard. I mean, there wasn't anything that was a while type of thing there that was more with western in the in the lineup, actually. But. I mean, I sit here, and I say, well, we're gonna talk about another offense of lime in the Bengals brought back is the continuity thing that the Bengals wanna build, and maybe they keep Redman minute right guard that keep Billy price at center, or is this something that they envision Hopkins being the center a starting center, potentially Billy price being the right guard. And and kinda shuffling things there. I mean, I think it's a marginal improvement. I don't know if it's a big improvement on unit that wasn't very good. If that is the plan. There has been no indications that that is the plan. And I mean as for now, and I even though Hopkins is valuable guy versatile guy. Find it hard to believe that team's going to offer up a second round pick for him. So I mean, I think at this point he's going to be a bangle next year. So, you know, those guys are back now going into their own unrestricted free agents that were set to hit the market the first one, I think that came down the pike in terms of news CJ Zoema, the tight end who has shown marked improvement over the since he's joined the Bengals real raw guy when he first came out of Auburn didn't even have a tight end coach in in college came out, you know, kinda made a few plays here. There is a rookie really grew the last couple of seasons in then as stepped up pretty big last year set career highs with over forty catches over four hundred yards and three touchdowns with Tyler. I for doubt antilock crossed out. He's kind of the I guess to be tight end option. To be tight end when everybody's healthy on this roster. But now he's making about six million a year. Your do you think that that means that he's going to be there by do? They draft the tight end high. They are still talking to effort. But I mean, I know we can't rely on that they're so your thoughts on, you know, a pretty substantial contract for a guy that is is kind of on the upswing, but hasn't shown all that much. Typically, probably gotta be the key. I wanted someone to fact check me on Twitter because I honestly think that this is the most substantial or most expensive second contract with the Bengals have given to tighten that they've developed in at least recent memory going back to history Tonneins yet e before even Gresham you had like Reggie Kelly. You had all Jong link on the another guy, but they don't have a strong history tight ends. And obviously if I was healthy, they may have offered him something more a long-term. Year. Maybe the before that. So he never got a big deal, but us on a sixteen year doesn't line up with the Tynan contracts of around the league. But it still puts him in the top half of thirty starters. I think that's enough to say that right now he is starting blamed because we look at a offense that you run based ranch last year. They ran eleven personnel which has one sided on the field. Well, over nine percent of place, you're thinking for most of the time in that. That's just how most often are nowadays. Anyways, you have one title field. And for painting is six year look at the Bengals in how they operate in how they distribute cash who normally plays based contracts to give out pretty comfortably right now that starting tight end even if I for comes back. I don't think it's gonna be much more than what he made last year if not even less depending on what what is market is. I think they're comfortable with what he's only brings as both as receiver a blocker. I think blocking aspect is kind of underrated in what what type of run game that they wanted establish sort of widespread concepts. I think he's their best blocker that they have on the roster. So he is a lot of value. That in plus to be durable. I think he was dealing with shoulder injury for most of twenty teen in the end up playing the fourth of snaps on offense. Most of any non office of Lyman. So he was the guy that one of them to bring back projected about five doing a pretty year extension that the more kind of up to self a little bit sleet gun that six million range, but I'm happy for him. He definitely earned it. And I think that this was their best option for the position. Yeah. I mean a hand four four guys at the position that are hitting free agency. He him being one of them. So in then who they had without those four guys I for us, alma Croft and Matt language who they had aside from those guys were season in Carter injured, Jordan Franks who had to career catches and Mason Shrek who has been either injured or special teams guy so not much behind them. So they need to bring back. One day are still flirting with with bringing back Tyler I for obviously a lot of things have to line up there. Another bit of news Cincinnati lost Tyler Kroft. I think we'll expand on that in a little later in topic. But I mean, so two of the four guys have already been picked up in Croft got a contract very similar to. What is AGA? Now, john. We this. This is turned ridiculous. And I mean that in variety of ways, but the big shocker is the Bengals signed, Bobby Hart. They're starting right. Tackle of last year to three year up to twenty one million dollar deal. Now, it sounds like it's more. We'll talk to Andre Prada like I mentioned in a few minutes. But it sounds like it's more like a fifteen or so million deal. Still I get average players are getting more money with the inflated salary cap. I get that you gotta spend to get starters. But between that between him coming back with Redmond. On justifiable it that's a great word for. No like spending Sergey money on bad players is never good. It's it's bad process. I think a lot of you. I think a lot of people were shocked at how much the market skyrocketed for nearly every position like linebackers say specifically when the took massive jumps in when in reality when you have increase in salary path with you always have this year's eleven million. And that the first wave of a free agent contracts. The size are always inflated. This just happen to be a relatively weak free agency class which made the top Ville talent that much more expensive than which for premium. So the two factors compound that the decrease the surgeon market, but there could not have been a market that was searching for Bobby heart in knowing all that it's not surprising to see the, you know, the same old Bengals enacting free agency because they hate giving giving money in the first place. Honestly. No, I think right like third least attractive regency spot for based off of fifteen agents. So when you realize that, you know, they don't like spending a lot of money in. In terms of of frontiers of two three or cash flow, but they have to meet minimum requirements. What are the do? They overpay. One of the worst starting tackles in the league. But I'll tell you what though I'm happy for Bobby heart because if there was ever this nation for him to maximize earnings he found snotty because if you wanna simple explanation of how the Bengals reach that minimum spending requirements, they pay for bad talent at a premium price. And there's no better example than pain. Bobby hard on average, the five to six million dollars per year who would guess one of the most frugal franchises will be the best position to fill layers bag up in. But that's reality situation is is not a lot different than my painting than giving Rehmat Luga lucrative three year contract worth about fifteen million a couple years ago. Like we saw that they end up getting out of that deal until to two years into it. Nothing that's gonna be the same likely reality with heart because people are saying let's have a one year out. But that's that's not how they do this because they didn't give it around Jones until one deals Mallaig was the same thing. There's a couple of out there. But they're tied the heart through these twenty twenty. Of just Halley distributed that cash, you know, they already paid him with the signing. Bonuses can be pro rated in. He's probably gonna earn the vast majority of it. That's a great point. Because you know, the two guys you brought up that the Bengals had that option in exercise to get out of the contract. Those guys were at the end of their careers. Meredith guy in this is one of the reasons why the Bengals keep touting the why they love the signing is at he's twenty four and he's on the upswing of his career. He's got you know, it's a player they can continue developed. There are two things that yummy of many that come to mind about this situation. Number one. I am very disappointed in the fact that the Cincinnati Bengals now we don't know what's going to happen between Hopkins Redmond. I'm very very disappointed in the fact that they are giving every single indication especially with paying starter like money to Bobby Hart. They're giving everybody every indication that they are bringing back everybody at the same exact spots on the starting offense of line that was a very poor offensive line, especially the right side of the line Billy price rookie first round pick. Maybe think you know, he had some struggles. Maybe think he elevates is play in your too. But they are giving everybody every indication that they are very satisfied with how that offensive line played last year. And it was better at the beginning of the year than the year prior. But it really rooted towards the middle of the year was a disaster. It got a tiny bit better towards the end with Joe mix getting three one hundred yard games out of four to finish year. Still that. It is very disappointing the other facet that. I find absolutely ludicrous is the fact in go check it out on Twitter a fan a ticket holder sent an Email or letter to the organization saying, I don't want to have my tickets anymore because of this ridiculous lining of Bobby heart. They sent an Email out back to the guy now to their credit. I mean, they're responding to their fans, but I have never seen an organization half to back a an individual free agent signing a season ticket holder and not only that give just poor reasons as to why I it's it's unbelievable John. I I for reasons for Bobby heard because like lugging Jeff's Hobson's, you know, typical, you know, propaganda machine that he's spinning in obviously, I don't blame Hobson that much because he's basically told what to write. But honestly that the the only quote, unquote, positive factors heart is that he is young twenty five years old. It was probably his worst season as started because of the amount of penalties cause amount of sex given up it was the lowest lows for heart. But everything that he showed that he was it was almost basically predictable because he wasn't said he was a seventh round pick for a reason he was cut after three years on battle line for reason. He was brought in only on one one year one million dollar deal off waivers off not getting cleaned up waivers. Four reason nobody wanted Bobby hardened twenty teen who won't Bobby heard twenty nineteen thirty showed in for some reason. They gave him a deal that that reflected him to be a quality started. Obviously, it wasn't the level of John James or Tinus. Herb other market, sending tackle contracts that we've seen giving out the season, but still they could have gotten him much cheaper net. And I think from just the logical perspective bringing hardback on another one year deal that would have recognized no not a raise but similar cap percentage. Based off the increase cat would be the worst thing worlds. Just to have some some bodies at the position of the ad for free agents in which Jake fishy. Wanna tighten? End of what he'd being a boy? He Andrea sniffing thirty something years old hard, meet some censoring back in that sense. But to annoy him as stored because that money does mean these start I think Paul said this possibly be a backup. Swing tech will not at that not not not at that salary nodded how the thing was normally operated. He's going to start. They're not gonna draft Taqwa in the draft this year to start immediately hard as the twenty teen in based off film the aggressiveness in passion that he played in those those are direct quotes muffins line. Coach Jim Turner. It's not it's not justifiable. It's not it's not reasonable. It's not logical in a makes no sense on their partners. No way that they can possibly spend this deposits. Yeah. Yeah. Bobby hearts here to stay. And that's that's kinda kinda thing. You know was reported initially three years Twenty-one million. That's kind of again, the total potential of the contract. I don't think he's going to get all of that. It's more of a three year sixteen or so million in terms of guaranteed money, but still he is making more money in twenty nineteen in Clint Boling figured out. Go figure that one out. Before we bring Andre Peralta. There was one more signing that the Bengals have made or re-signing. Just let me let me rewind for one second one last thing that really bothers me about the Bobby hard thing, you kinda touched on John. It's the fact that it would be one thing if this signing took place after free agency truly kicked off and they felt that he hit the market. He actually had a demand. Now, we're not privy to that. Maybe they're worse than people calling calling him. I find it hard. We've af teams right? Yeah. Exactly. I just find. It's it seems as if the Bengals outbid themselves on this whole thing that that's that's what really retains me about that about that contract moving on the Bengals re-signed Preston Brown. Now, there's there are mixed opinions on this press and Brown a decent football player. Preston Brown is a decent player to play a position as kind of a se passe position in the NFL. But it's not really unless you find an absolute franchise changing player. It's not really guy that you say it's not really position you say, you gotta have that position. Today's NFL you gotta have. I it's just not as highly coveted as a lot of other positions in in middle linebacker. He played pretty well throughout seven games last year battle couple injuries actually had two interceptions in seven games one of which was gigantic against the Indianapolis Colts. But ended up. One year deal left the left the team on injured reserve and all of a sudden now he gets a big pay raise another three year twenty one million dollar deal. There are two schools of thought number one of the Bengals are absolutely desperate at linebacker. He is a good tackler. He he's steady. He's not outstanding. So you bring a guy like that back, and you open your options up in the draft in the first and second rounds in terms of position of need. The other thing is he played less than half a season is an outstanding player, and he gets more years and a big raise on top of that. So where do you go with that John like, you just said that the Bengals business, Bobby heart? They outbid themselves for Preston Brown Brown. Again. He was a second week free agent signing last year. He got a one year deal. It was off the season that he leads NFL tackles like that means anything positive other than the fact that he just wasn't the right place right time, but he fits the mold of the past linebacker, Bryan, like Karl standard. Kennan entered limited at limited athleticism. Limited upside probably no more than just a now one down because your nickel for for seventy percent snap. So you're out. You're only in three three linebackers says about thirty percent of the time. So shocked on a guy who's maybe gonna play three hundred four hundred snaps maybe even maybe five hundred if he plays all, but if he's if he's a part of your nickel sets if he's one of your linebackers out there. That's a problem unless he does end up going down to two hundred forty pounds. I think he said he was going to try to do you played at two hundred fifty two hundred fifty pounds when he was healthy. And then he ended up being her in the one positive of him coming into last year was never got hurt. So that there is at one thing. So his value didn't go up at all playing off off a four million dollar deal. The him race assembly seven million dollars on average per year. If it's also an excuse like inside Brown's as bad of a player that Bobby Hart is that's not the case. He's an average player, and there is some general because he was talented you jabs in the second round. He is still twenty six point seven years. Also, there's potential for his for. For some good days left in the future for him. There is potential to be better. I don't think twenty teen is the best that we've seen from Preston Brown. And he was a guy that was interested in in bringing back. But for that price is it's still it's this concept of them. Just spending money on bad players just to hit that minimum requirements lead. Don't have to go out and get these top level fridges for maximum guaranteed money for maximum cash flows. The first couple of years, which they limit themselves from doing. So this is just another one of those examples of this spending money to spend money, but not really improving the team. Preston Brown doesn't improve the team any better than what they weren't twenty teen in. That's really the Genesis of the issue yet. I'm I'm looking forward to the Dodd God bless him. I'm looking forward to the Jeff Hobson article says that they're very very close to finishing spending money this off season because they spent a lot of money on a starting right? Tackle a lot of money on a starting linebacker the two areas that they needed shore up. That's no offense to Jeff. I love Jeff Hobson. But dude grade budgets is awesome guy. But I mean, he's got a he's got a right. We've got a right. And luckily, I don't have to write that I can complain about what he has to write. But. Yeah. Bengals Bengals what's interesting. Now is what's going to happen at pick number eleven because. 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We answer your questions regarding the latest news headlines of the world of professional finding find us on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I teased at the beginning of the show that we have a special guest in. This is a perfect time to bring him on. Because. We're talking about these contracts. We're talking about potential albatross type contracts for for the Bengals where we're bringing in. Andrea pirata Andrei who case for for those who do not know Andrea is very visible presence on Twitter, especially in the ways of salary cap contract structure in all of that Andrei, how are you, sir? Thank you. I'm doing good, man. It's seems like it's long overdue since I've had you on the show. I feel bad about that. But I'm glad that we are finally having you on and what what better way to indoctrinate you into this show. I guess with with what's been happening. Your initial reaction we were kind of talking mostly about Preston Brown and Bobby Hart, obviously before before you came on. Your thoughts on your thoughts on Bobby hard. I guess why not why not continue the pile up on on the guy and your thoughts on the structure of the contract. Shirt while on thanks for the on. I should begin by saying the new league year. Yeah. Yeah. Have you groundhog day? Exactly four chance. The thanks having me on with regard to heart. You know, one thing I want to be clear, I there's nothing personal spotting heart ideal. You'll Bengals fans feel the need somewhat has having a qualified that we're not attacking the person here. We're just talking about obviously is playing field his caliber of play. And then obviously just for my perspective just assessing the contract that he signed. I don't blame Bobby heart before signing the contract. You didn't offer it to himself. Probably the agent, you know, so whatever it's it's certainly highly questionable put it lightly key Clayton to put in perspective as we all know, the twenty eighteen seats on one year deal barely over a million dollars. It was one million five thousand dollars cap hit and cash obviously signed especially through your deal. There's a potential out after one year, but we all know the Bengals operate that way. Even though the dead money impact would be quite minimal next year, and he put realize a cap stating. So he's likely to the right tackle, obviously for next year twenty nineteen and thereafter, depending obviously what they do the draft. But to me, it's just the value. With regard to respecting what he brings to the field from a billion respective just just lacking put it. Bluntly. It's a complete heads grad your than they would go out on the first official day tampering period in announce the deal, you know, he was an internal agent. So technically wouldn't have to wait till four pm today to sign it and she didn't have the signed Tuesday morning. But I can't imagine that there would have been Heisel market for services. I mentioned on Twitter years ago when Andre Smith who struggled as first couple years coming out of Alabama know. Nine he was overweight, but Andre Smith from a technical perspective. And you guys can be better than I on this. And he was he was a much better tack of right? Tackle rather than Bobby Hart ever wanted his career? And in the two thousand thirteen off sees the Bengals dug their heels in. They had an offer on the table. And you know, they calendar essentially physical out see if there is a market elsewhere for him pretty much wasn't. And the story goes that it was eight the traffic. And Smith comes to the Bengals headquarters stadiums side, his contract story goes something. Mike Brown says they were ready to draft. Mental Watson the right tackle tackling. Our state. You're still at this point. But the point being that the Bengals that that point six years ago maximize the valley what they saw Andre Smith. They ended up signing with three year eighteen billion dollar contracts with six million per year, and that was a reasonable deal clean. Well, actually throughout the course, those three years, and then he ended up leading course, Arizona, and then he came back last year to spend some time in Minnesota as well. So from that perspective, you know, Rangel, then we're heels, and they weren't getting into the demand the remote Brian to sign and back then and the was the potential keeping whole spit would've last because obviously there were considering drafting tackling around two or three day to that draft. So I'm not sure why there was the rush necessarily signed Bobby Hart again, no offense to him as a player. He didn't offer felt the contract. Good for him. I'm all for players, by the way, back to minding already catch, especially football contracts guarantee with me. Brutally violence four. We all those that maximize your that's great happy for Bobby Hart personally. But just from a value perspective. It is it is an absolute head scratcher. And it makes sense there, objectively speaking in all honesty. There is no way justified his contract to put it frankly. No other team would have given him this. And if that happened that got to the point where Bobby heart his agent said, hey, we have often the table that's the Bengals have to just wash their hands. It's your services, and that's to walk away from it. They getting him from a perspective seven point four million dollars in twenty point nineteen has the possibility to earn. I think five hundred thousand senate's those don't count against the cap, I guess is. They're considered dot like DR. So he's got a seven point four million dollar cash outlay this year and a five point four million dollar champion. I mean, the cap is at an all time high the Bengals have a lot of cafes. But with that said. Value. Just isn't there? You look at the guy caliber play. He was he's abused certain games last year. I mean, he gets flashes of I guess, okay? That's where he was, you know, probably above average in certain games. But overall, I just don't see what the coaching staff or the front office whoever combined to make this decision. Retrigger on this deal is. A lot to desired really does. And ultimately you find a player now move. I doubt they're going to give him much competition by state drafted tackle at eleven or retune around too. But you ended this guy right tackle position and pretty much there's likely to be no competition and pack of still need. I mean, you can't. I'm not sure how they can rest by that you built cave solidifies the position and lack of today. Obviously. There was news that broke their lives. Right. Tackle before Trump. Take over Homa. I'm sure, you know, dust off be scouting report that the team has formed coming out twenty teen and on his pro tape and see what is that? Is that the one game at your knees? The first game who didn't need clay. You didn't play the Bengals played them week three Acura lineup, but in two thousand seventeen with a second team all pro not Topol all pro signed a one year seven million dollar deal this year today. So you look at that. And you look at Bobby hearts deal. It's just there's no way to justify. There's no way to justify that contract. So you talked about Bobby this John, by the way, you talked about Bobby hearts captured in the cash flow in the first year. There's a difference between the cat face. For teams have in the Cassidy have in in order to bring those quality free agents that we see Goff Mark in the first couple days initial cash is more important than just cap space. So while the Bengals always end up being in the top ten in cap space. They insist that they don't have anywhere close that in terms of cash on hand to spend immediately. Can you explain just the fans why that is the main factor to how the Bengals operate in free agency? And why they are typically inactive for the first week or so. We add. So that's a good point. It's always important when you're looking at any contract specific and then the cat in general to wellness. There's two cats which is really just an accounting negative. And then there's the actual cash that goes on into it the players, hey, and then with the top data, depending on how the accounting rules work, and how structure the contract or how the contract is structured so used Bobby heartbeat able by the seven point four million dollar cash earned that cash this year, but it's happened. It will be five point four the reason for that is obviously the signing bonus or other amounts that are considered signing bonuses won't get into that for for this conversation, but a signing bonus is you got three million dollar signing bonus with three year deal. You pro rate that divided by the number of years of the contract maximum five years. So he's got a one million dollar though for people who did a three million dollar. Department of the payment. Maybe different other words, get half that bonus now than have it on tuber happened the end of the year who gets three million dollars now. But for accounting purposes, that three million dollars signing bonus pro rated over the life of the contract. So it really from the bonus perspective only million dollars a year, then you had base and his workout bonus. And he's going to point five million roster bonus at the end of this. So that's how you have the differing levels of Kathy tash. But tantric question, John, it's really important to know the Bengals really claim that they're Cashmore. I don't really buy that claim. I mean, they obviously need or not. We don't know what their books required to show them. But the thirty two franchises. Only one club is reminded their books the Green Bay Packers. 'cause probably. And I think the Forbes article that said. Twenty seventeen they have profit of twenty five million, though, even if you take that Green Bay's preside will compare market Cincinnati say the Bengals even the super-conservative conservative say, they're profiting fifteen million dollars. What's profit fifteen million dollars since the start of the new CBA in twenty eleven? I mean, there's still sitting on a like tens of millions of dollars. It's not a hundred million dollars in cash. So I'm not sure I the notion of the Bengals are cash for. But regardless of that, they how they operate is. They don't like signing. They don't like a lot of guaranteed money. There isn't a funding room CVA that says the league may require a gain of fund money for guarantee portions for precarity salary. But the interesting is thing is the way the Bengals structure contracts. They don't air any base. Our the only guarantees or at the signing bonus. So. You know, you're right. I mean, you look at two one James for family signed a massive contract Denver. I think even twelve million dollars signing bonus. The Broncos are literally cutting the check or direct positing to twelve million twelve million dollars this year because the one time payment via again, like half now and half three months, but it's twelve million dollars. County purposes pro rated over that deal. So the Bengals. Whatever the way they operate. They don't like cutting boozy huge checks or making those huge Amos initially moved to it for their own guys, for example, Gino Atkins and don't let extension last year. They had pretty good sizable chiding bonuses. But don't don't shy away from what you said this initial wave, although really waves regency. It's just the initial gold. Rush, raw players perspective shy away from that. And now other apprentice shy away from that. You know, the Steelers the Packers under Ted Thompson? Although under their GM, Brian gets there, obviously going different directions. The other Fritz components that they all we've been successful. But we haven't wanna play the Bengals have playoff game. And you're almost three decades. So me nobody's saying to go out and blindly spend throw away for cash. Nobody's saying that. But for a team to Dopp the same strategy strategy essentially year after year of owning high-end creates which is fine. But how about a targeted for Juwan Jane's, for example player? John James solidifies, the right tackle vision. Yes, you're going to have to spend cash because you're gonna have become a huge signing bonus. 'cause you're John those players want that money now, they won't guarantee offer guaranteed base salary. So the way to do that as pre decent priding bonus. They don't do that. And you know, you see the result the high end free agent or even decently above. Know better than average maybe not a leak players, but you know, nobody would say one James temples and elite player, but he's doing any petro to be even better get better. So that's that's the result. I mean, you end up the Bengals probably end up signing in week or two outside free agents, just one or two year deals with very minimal signing bonuses. And to me, it's just after after you try this method and the results are what they are. I think close examination is is in is in order just to say, hey, what's what's going on here? Maybe we adopt a different approach. And so you so you talk about them potentially not potentially. But definitely overshooting their Bobby hearts marketing in kind of scrambling to get that deal underway. They hadn't done that. With dark was the NAR yet and will be seen in the first couple of days is the quarterback market looks about what we expected we have peered sir, getting about eight and a half million Steven Nelson for the Steelers getting eaten a half million just in Cullman going to the lions for about nine million. So for Douglas, nor his market seems about said in your evaluation is this about where you would probably feel comfortable signing Dirk was in art or reduce feel comfortable at this price. Basically led him testimony in may beginning a little more than those guys. I just go out with all those guys out. Also at busters screening, the homeland of that screen three years twenty five dollar deal and average is five and half million. That's obviously, the low end art agent aren't aren't gonna sign that type of deal. But yeah. Comfortable signing agreed to a four year thirty six million dollar deal. The Justin Coleman deal dinar may once four 'cause there's talk out there that he made you sell the outside corner. But for the slot corner of the nickel century that market is is pretty well established. And this year, you know, the the outside quarter market is kind of slow here to kind of take off the market last year. Oh, Bill Maher last year really really took its time to get going. But there aren't there has been some some quarters that you mentioned you to the right guys here that her right? We've been range of what I think is value. It'd be quite honest. It was definitely the high. There's just no way to look at it. Otherwise dark was ours. Most prioritize internal fresian for the Bengals I you. They've made an offer. They may have been the sweep did a little bit. But what they're doing Denard. Now, these not sign really haven't heard anything about it for. It's essentially the Andre used situation buying out that I roughly earlier in two thousand thirteen there's no way that they haven't made him an offer. They probably offer that they yield is legitimate in line with Marcus possibly even close to the Justin Coleman deal for years three six million. And they're probably saying that art there wasn't even what you back out. What else would your market is? And come back to see if imagine. There are digging their heels with Douglas now they could sign and they have enough cap room, and you know, the one of their own guy. So they'd give them a pretty good bonus. And Goodyear one roster bonus and your to roster bonus which worked as as a guarantees, essentially. But my question is it's just type scratching then why did not they adopt? This approach for somebody like, Bobby heart. Or what was the Russia signed hit? You know, you're not rushing to find an art. I guarantee you again they've made offers to him, but I come on my Twitter feed. I think I propose this was a few weeks ago. I proposed five-year forty three point seven five million dollar deal for dark west that averages out to eat seventy five AP wire AB, I think that more fair that was obviously before just Coleman's deal in the pre market with the lion before you mentioned here signed three years twenty five million today. That's. Point three three million the year. I think five years week three point seven five million dollars with the structure I had on on my that he tweeted out a weeks ago. I think that's more than fair to both sides. I think our blood and his representatives that they could get better than that on the market, although it's Wednesday money's drying up. So if anything the Bengals offer may go down, but it certainly not gonna increase at this point. But again, it's head-scratching because he had to have been the most prioritize free agent, I'll be turtle free agents and or in their heels, then that's fine. Because we don't overpay. But I'm not I'm not sure how you can justify doing it to obviously a pretty good player like west, but essentially, cave panic and just give Bobby that deal. When reality is probably gonna market for his services, but the answered questions specifically, I feel comfortable right around that range. You could probably go begging ten million pussycat million a year become with that at this point. Honestly, I don't think I think Dr quiz from. Player perspective agent and him. They may wanna shorter your your deal shorter term deal three or four year just because how the market's moving slowly, and they don't they probably don't want to lock in a five year deal, especially but then get them five years for free by estimated here that plays an estate bubble gets better. They're gonna hundred higher deal or two that's going to be an incredibly valuable deal because the market's gonna resent nickel cars at all. These does for almost every position make your but down the line. You know, the Bengals are gonna have a very valuable deal. They agree to throw contract by that. So from his perspective at this point, he made one shorter term deal, maybe three years or four years at most. But I think four years thirty six million four year forty million with a good structure for him where he gets maybe twenty million of that two years. I think he'd signed right now in my proposed contract that I tweet out. I think I had a twenty one billion dollars. Cash over the first two years, it's of half average over the first two, but then over the life of the five year deal and averaging eight point seven five and my proposal. The cabinet was nine six six million. I think that's the deal. I think gonna degree that fair. But we'll see what happens. I think he awfully does come back because I really haven't heard anything about is market. With regard other genes awfully comes back. If peace holding out for maybe eleven mill a year, I think maybe too steep for the Bengals but coming back anywhere between eight and a half million at the high end ten billion a year. He's a he's a difficult guy to figure out in terms of a contract. Just because you know, he's he's had some injuries the stats aren't eye-popping. But the former first round pick he's valuable. He's got a good skill set is particularly as a slot corner. Which is now such a valuable asset in the NFL. But the market is just weird. For him specifically because of you know, his his his personal history. We're talking with Andrea Prada expert on the salary cap expert on contract structures in if if you don't believe me, go check out his Twitter. It's at Andrea underscore Peralta thirteen on Twitter. A lot of interesting stuff that he puts out there. And he's a much smarter man than I am we're gonna get get you out of here with this one Andrei. Look the Bengals basically set out depending on how you look at it which source you use the Bengals said out, and they had about I believe forty two million or so of cap space. Right. You look at what they've done so far, and how those contracts are structured between us alma Preston Brown. Bobby heart. You may be cut into what half of that. Or so. We know that the Bengals talked about the rookie pool that no other team seems to talk about and the and the NC's in windfall for injuries and all that kind of stuff. What do you see? I mean, you just mentioned the numbers for Denard. There's another nine or ten million potentially. What do you see the team doing the rest of the way here in terms of, you know, getting close to spending most of that money, maybe freeing up some more with with a potential vaunted Bertha cut just look in your crystal ball a little bit here before you before we get you out of here in let us know a little bit about what you think you see a head here for the Bengals free agency. And what they could be spending. If I if I knew what I what they do it. I got a different industry right by some odd. Right because baseball, you know, we're we're our after there's sort of neat year, and everyone has stated right that within our first reciting the new league year under a do head JR. Abuse alma, Preston, Brown and Bobby art, right? Where we all saw our selves like a week or so ago razor ended saw this at doing. I mean, especially the body hard deal not the harbor on that one, but cancer question, I think they'll get Hewlett Denard likely in the next twenty four to forty eight hours. 'cause I think probably the Bengals have the best offer a table. That's just a hundred. I think they likely want to get done with it. Again, he won't get a rage on like Preston Brown who got a raise and longer term deal. I obviously has the unfortunate injury history. Preston, Brown bread and Brown was an higher and. Sensuous first four years last year, of course, coming home, and he gets the injury bog to just as the Bengal from Bengals. But I think they try to get something done viper on of latest extensively deal probably one year three and a half million dollar deal for him for a lot of executives that could push it. Maybe the double batch of seven built. But honestly what I what I paid. I think they do sign a linebacker K. Jay Wright is still available couple of guys who've been cut in and won't found against the holy grail. Which is the Bengals Comtex, which is really just the reason they love that. It's just just represents cheap labor beyond keep traffic for. So that's why they don't wanna ruin those. But I can see them signing a linebacker like a cage a right injury. Twenty nine years old. I think he'll be dirty old before the start or right at the start of the season. But I think he does bring value. I haven't heard much talk about him. On the open market. So I think you can you can get him at a reasonable rate. Maybe a one year six million dollar or two years T million dollar deal. But honestly, we're probably looking at. I mean, this is depressing. Probably looking at the for outside free ages again, I think they are. I think they sign I for. Back. The probably cut on because the clears up this your over five million and cap space. But shocking that they have this point. I mean, it's it's completely. That they have not let him go at this point. I mean, you have personal health issues with his history, and he has a show out of shape and overweight training camp top into shocking to have him yet. Yeah. I just don't know what the value that has just shows up, and I'm godly shade this year, which I highly doubt. But I think they do find room for live Agar. I think there's still line. Honestly Carlos in Dino. They're still great players were, you know, they're pushing the wrong cut in thirty. Now, they still enough left in the paint of very good players. Not a league players next couple of years, but you got Kirloskar coming off an injury. Then Hubbard flash time's pretty good disease last year. Jordan Willis to be honest hasn't really shown much if anything I two years. So I mean, there's hope maybe shows something you're three but after about two years thirty plus games. A leaking kinda get the sense of players at do. I don't know you'd go in only nineteen thanking George Willis. Billings is in a contract year. I don't know if a lot of people think that you guys have addressed. I think the line is a big issue. You guys like Muhammed Wilkinson who signed a one year deal in Green Bay for shop dig of the jazz. I think he could be had on a cheaper deal one year five million some some incentives in there. But again, we're not looking at anything substantial remainder either. These are going to be deals that are on the Bengals terms that are likely to be one year deals pretty much the president round vote. Although I think class your sign at the end of the first week. I think he pushed closer in the next couple of weeks. I think obviously don't make a couple signings. But you know, what I just selfishly Justin used to just using tau gets compact by haven't heard much about him, you know, he'd be strictly edge rusher. But you know, a rotation of done laugh and co Lawson Sam Hubbard Jordan Willis adjusted use five edged is that better than Trevor pretty formidable group. P- because right now, you've got done lab Lawson pumpers Willisch and just a lot of desire after Dunlap and really Lawson. Hopefully, Carl can regain his twenty sixteen seventeen more of his rookie season. So I see those designed to be quite honest. I mean there maybe if you're there, but was with Harding, the fold and Muslim Brownback. I mean, there's a route. There's remodels for another linebacker Cajun writes the biggest name list. There was talk earlier this week about printed Marshall, he's really doesn't move the needle that much. But again to be honest from a contract perspective the way the Bengals operate. These are going to be one or two your deals than most. They're not going to be four or five year deals. They're not going to be guys moved the needle. And it's sad from from a fan perspective, but really objectively kind of fan had off and just objectively analyze the roster and their way of doing things. For agency offseason still improve the roster. Obviously it to me just it so state, and it gets those stale doing operates wait year after year finding these guys one year deals made you catch lightning in a bottle. So to speak. But. I'm just going on history going off what they've done already I cagey, right? I could see I'm not even sure the other linebackers there. I've mentioned. Brandon Marshall cake, y I think from Green Bay, but you know, he just much. Coach Taylor's thing they wanna get faster on defense. I mean, how how is that a -ccomplish resigned person Brown you Preston? But I just don't know to me. They're the coaching staff the new staff saying one thing, but with the with the front office doing in terms of their signing completely the opposite. Or at least not listening to what the coaches want. So couple of findings here there not much. I I really don't. They're not going to be active race knee. They haven't been they'll probably recited art. I probably that eighty five percent. But the refunding they'll probably because I haven't heard anything there, but that'll be a one year deal. They'll probably get one year deal with again like a line with Wilkinson you ever visualizing. But again, these guys are tied at this point. Just another guy really Jags that they could do well in the rotation, but they're not gonna be anything to to really raise the town level roster. The honest, I think we're looking at some more rental deals that's kind of with the Bengals of done with with Eissa guys into, you know, sometimes they parlay that into a, you know, long term, you know, like you said if they catch lightning in a bottle, sometimes parlayed that into longer-term deals, Adam Jones comes to mind, their Reggie Nelson is traded for that kind of comes to mind. And then you talk about linebackers. Maybe daringly a guy who is supposedly on the trading block. Maybe he's a guy who they make make move for wandering. We gotta we gotta get outta here. Man. You're awesome. We will have you back on four. Sure. We appreciate the time. I know you're juggling a lot with dad duty and all that kind of stuff. So we we appreciate you coming on. I I really would like you to come back on again. Any that'd be say. Thanks, John as well. And I do agree that, you know, Reggie, Nelson hydrate. Gary leave they every will into last year. They just I'm Jay Moseley. He's on the block trade couple of Trump picks. One of the jets will give Darren leans same with same deal with four per pig under under achieves underperform eagle Bogle Kim went to think. He's also trouble. I o of steak at favor that deal. But thank you very much. Anthony thinking job for the on. And do appreciate it. A man was hope they they get a little more active. I just wanted to make targeted citing to really raise the talent level the Roger nobody again. But you know, the talent level three straight losing seasons. You gotta add talent in this roster. No you completely with over twenty in class. And but anyway, we'll see what happens. I it's completely underwhelming. But unfortunately, not surprising at this point. You know, hopefully, there's some prizes stores, but you know, we'll have to wait and see. It'd be a little different with a new coach. But I guess not real quick what they can get you on Twitter. Is it add Andrei underscore pirata thirteen is that right? No wonder just Audrey product their gain. And yeah, I the kind words I I don't I don't buy dubbing expert. You know, a lot about the Catholic contracts. But those were very flattering words. I do appreciate them. I enjoyed my time. And I look forward to hopefully joining you guys to get you know, you know, how me man. So we we appreciate you have coming on. And we'll we'll get you on again. Ofek guys. Those holiday per, man. That was awesome really really knows his stuff and. I gotta fake my co host on that one. 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It's another off-season and other Bengals off season. And we're talking about Andy Dalton in the quarterback position five for talking about it. I I wanna talk about it in a different way. It's kind of a little hot take segment, I guess, and I want to tie this into a lot of news notes that that have been going on around. The NFL in free agency. And what we've heard so far in the very early goings of it. I got to thinking especially right after the Browns traded for Oto Beckham junior. I don't know if you've heard about that, by the way, have you heard about that? Did I it's been everywhere the NIST? Yeah. Yeah. But after the trade, I kinda thought, you know. Kudos to the Browns because they drafted a guy number one overall quarterback number one overall and all they have done is load up load up load up particularly on offense and surround and support that quarterback with talent. There's another quarterback from lash last year's draft. Josh Allen in which the bills. Yes. The Buffalo Bills have come in. And they have started to load up with a lot of surrounding talent to help support. Josh Allen, Cole Beasley Tyler Kroft and others. Obviously the Browns over the past couple of years. Jarvis Landry Calloway. Odell Beckham junior Joko. I mean, the list just goes on and on. So I sit here and I see those moves yet. You see you see in here the rhetoric from the Bengals ING Andy Dalton's, our guy, we're gonna you know, we're going to go with him. We think we got what we need. Yes. Bagels have aged green. Awesome receiver. Yes. Have Tyler Boeing's coming off a great season. But. They they're big signing to this point is a like, I said a fringe starter slash backup tight end and a very poor offensive tackle. To me. I feel like the Bengals. Yeah. They've lied to us about a lot of things before I feel like they insect Taylor and others are lying to us. When they say that they think Andy Dalton is the guy they want to support him. And they're gonna do what they can to to move forward in surround him with a lot of talent. Now the draft has yet to happen further things you have yet to play out in free agency. And I mentioned the Bengals have some good players at the skill position. But as I also mentioned earlier, they seem hell bent on. Brit breaking out the same five offensive linemen from last year on a bad offense of line, and they are not being active under new coach to solidify the rest of the offense. I don't know am I am. I just kind of reaching in and being overly envious of what these other teams are doing or am I on any kind of solid ground here. Well, the the one thing that I the comes to mind for me is that this is not anything new. I think when it comes to the Bengals fan base, even beyond pas-. When Dalton signed that contract. We still kind of treat him like a young guy like a young quarterback capable being better. Even though he's gonna be thirty two years old and entering his ninth year in the NFL and this year career and this point end in if you have a quarterback well into second contract, and honestly is not that expensive country ranks twenty third twenty four inches of average salary. Like, this is the time where your quarterback supposed to be elevating town around you supposed to be fully developed in supposed to be capable of leading team. Not have a completely stack. You know, often around him. I think early years they did a decent job of that in. At least drafted drafted green. The end of the drafting Muhammad new Marvin Jones jetted Giovanni Bernard. Brought in a couple of alignment the draft as well. So I think they did a decent job of that. When Dalton was the age of Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen. And at this point if they have to continue stacking the roster around him that is a that is a good point to bring up. Do they believe that dullness wars investing all the surrounding talent him when they're already paying him like one of the mostly expensive players in the roster. It's not surprising at all to to think that a quarterback coach coming as a new head coach is not married or handcuffed to the quarterback. Who's currently starting for the team, and they doesn't have a long term future on this team. And honestly, if they're if they're all still is builder on any news moves that they're doing on could just be that they're awful daddy when he and giving Bobby Hart starting money, right tackle and just maybe leaving alone the tight end position with with just use Oma. But I think that might be a whole nother issue that you're alluding to. But I think that it's it's highly possible that Taylor is not interested in starting. Impasse when nineteen in maybe without even knowing they're just taking themselves based off they're just poor processing free agency in the poor evaluation with the coaches that they brought in he and the other the other thing that there are signals. They're just giving us mixed signals. Right. I mean, you look back at twenty fifteen day loaded him up with Marc Jones Muhammed's new AJ green. Andrew Whitworth at. I mean, their offense of lying was very good. Tyler I for. I mean, they were they were very very stacked at an Germany hill was coming off a great season in twenty four teen at that point Giovanni Bernard. And right now you look at it. Okay. Yeah. Twenty twenty seventeen they use the top ten pick on another receiver, which they needed. Last year. The they traded for a left tackle. And they drafted a center. So you got to new starting offense of lineman there. You also had to new starting offense of Lyman on the right side from a poor offensive line, the your prior. But then you look at sixteen you let Worthen Zeitler walk. You. You look at you just look at some of these things which one is it, right? I mean, and now like I said the Bengals gave starter money to who they believe is their starting right tackle, Bobby heart. They gave starter money in pretty big money to their middle linebacker, which is a big position of need on this team to press Brown. They have other positions of need still to address at linebacker and whatnot. But those are the two positions that almost everybody thought they were going to address at number eleven and number forty two in the draft. So now, what do you look defensive line cornerback quarterback? I I don't know. I mean, I kind of feel like they're giving us all kinds of mixed signals. I think going back to the last one I made I think if they were to tank it would be somewhat of a tank where they feel like they compete position to win the end up winning two three games in that's going to happen. But yeah, I think all I think most options are still on the table. I think it's possible that if they were to go off of line eleven it could be like a guard that maybe has a feature outside me like a dollar is ner. Jona Williams may be more sue deflate guard early in his career than testing outside towards the later years of Bobby hearts contract. But I think obviously linebacker could still be in play there because pressing Brown's not like the finishing touch that question that is this group still needs some working based of what they said earlier newly still need speed there, and they still need improvements there in what they have there is and we still on the perfect stole gonna be around for this year. So I think most options are still on the table Jeff in that includes quarterback because as we saw just today. On Wednesday, Oklahoma heads today the matrix Colin Murray, it wasn't Jim Turner who was down there resin Bengals it was Taylor. And he was kinda vying cow calamari a little bit. If you saw some of the video. So I think like we talked earlier this is the first year that quarterback is actually a somewhat of a possibility in not just the only position it's not being considered at in the first round in any premium Zubin as this all from the Jaguars. They committed themselves Nick foles. They're probably the quarterback market. We've done know what's going to happen with with the cardinals. Josh rosen. We almost have the raiders the giants could be locked in with there could be a situation where you have one of those top two quarterbacks in meaning dint, Dwayne Hassans. Carla Murray falling out of the top ten and maybe the Bengals if they have Cuyler Dwayne Highland board. Maybe the make a play at him. But regardless I do think that this is not the way to I guess Bill offending dull by giving him a his four right tackle and bringing back the right guard. Those also really. Bad next to him. If if that's the plan, then he's gonna get sacked forwarded fifty times in these the worst quarterback to have a battle line front because he can't create from self knee can extend plays. So if this is the plan that they're doing is they're executing. It's not a very good plan in shows. They have very little direction with what they're saying. Yeah. I mean, I was talking about. The some of the comments in the live YouTube chat Christian since he Joe since he fan jungle city says the whole situation with Mike Brown saying he answered the fans call to fire Marvin move on was big deception. Christian doing 'em says how can the front office watch? What's happening with the in the division and think this is okay. Our defense was the worst in the league. Let's see why is it that we all know this stuff at the front office doesn't as for Matthew Wayne Smith. It's easy playing armchair quarterback. So I mean, I I don't think I'm off too big of a limb there, but you know, I thought it was something worth bringing up given given what's been going on? We do have a call on the line. It's we haven't talked to him for a few weeks. It's our good friend, Terrell, Terrell. How are you, sir? I'm doing all right man doing. All right. How about you? I'm gonna say. Vying tours, like popularity mobile that thing kind of went down, you know. I mean, being the AFC N as in a newer, if you really want to me on the matter feel about this trying to put it out there little bit on on the other thing is the soon as we thought it was wide open coming just all kinda crannies happen at AMC budgets in just general AFC, which a lot of it was done at MSG came and the two. Happened with the Browns and just everything about that. In a last quick of maybe. Of. That foolishness and the draft all these of these. And get a quarterback on a couple of playmakers, and we don't get out of here. And and if so I just hoping why for a guy from Alabama to dictate that that maybe the foul towards where you're like with Bill to. Yeah. I mean, Jeff Hobson has in two of his marks that he's put out he keeps having them. Take Chris Wilkins the defensive lineman out of Clemson. So maybe he's the pick. Maybe defensive line is the pick. I just I find it hard to believe in this before show. I find it hard to believe that Zack Taylor won't want someone on offense as as some of his early picks particularly quarterback kinda put his stamp on things. I. Open. The do a no is called about it. But I hope they take take Lago Rian. I really would Lago ran over if they come out to a set their row, and they had a out Radnor. And the white or Bush. And I. I will thank surrou- preciado. You're calling in story to wait a little bit. But preciado, man. Thoughts on what he had to say, John? Yeah. Like, the pretty fair the whole power dynamic shifted massively in the AFC north leaving the division coming to the vision. Earl Thomas coming to the ravens. The ravens will always I guess internally have in a leaf receiving defense wasn't just wrote. It wasn't just read was it's now Thomas there. So you look around the division. I guess the Steelers having gone better just like the Bengals. But the ravens the division winners are still improving still billion Lamar Jackson still compensating for losses under defense in appropriate ways. The browns. Like you have to respect what the Browns are doing in. You have to respect the fact that they're the best position to compete in the north for multiple years to come because. Yes, the Browns there's a stigma with that. But there's also stigma the Bengals Bengals fans. Appreciate so. I think it's fair to judge what the Browns are right now. And judge that they are in the best position to win the AFC north from the most of the done valley did they trade for the Beckmann junior. But they all straight for the Vernon. They ended up giving the Kevin Xilin process of the drafted a guard pretty high that they feel comfortable in inputting in. They did see what comes out of the Bengals before he let them go to Cleveland. And then they brought in Sheldon Richardson at three technique for thirteen million a year in the complete defensive line at the fence line against the Bengals offense lines. The major mismatch for at least the next couple of years to calm if the dangles offense line doesn't prove drastically the Browns like they felt the Bengals last year in that's probably at this point going to be a trend. That's going to continue unless the Bengals. Make drastic changes with their own as we've seen from the first Kalisz free of seeing nothing has really changed. Even though the coaching staff has changed. Good points. John. We've got another caller probably the last of the night. So he can get outta here. I believe it's Josh who is a first time. Caller, correct. Is this Josh? Josh definitely first caller. But a big bingles fan is born and raised in Cincinnati. And kind of started understanding football was in love with the bingles. But van question get right to AJ green on one year left on his contract for about fifteen million. And I'm just kind of trying to figure out what we do with that. I do we responded restructuring was that we try to mess our way into maybe living up in the draft or even for big name in my free agency. And this kind of thing would be kinda give his value in the market. Thanks for taking my call and other show, and I'll be checking in from your mouth. Appreciated a man thanks for the call. Thanks for calling in. Appreciate you being patient and everything. Always always nice to to hear a a new voice in a complimentary new voice. Right. John. Look, I mean. I don't know what the fans would do from a PR perspective if Cincinnati decides to. If they trade AJ green in an all season that has just not really started off on the right foot between the coaching issues and. You know, the the slow free agency start to me. I mean right now as Josh said right now is when you can get draft capital and probably decent draft capital. Foreign AJ agreeing. The problem is. I mean. There are so many polarizing quarterback prospects. I mean, I would I would assume you would use that draft capital to get a quarterback of the future. Right. The problem is with so many polarizing prospects in this class. I don't know that this is the year that you do it. Yeah. And that's that's very like time. He doesn't exactly match up with with everything. And what's important to know? Is that if you're agent green is gonna be somewhere the compensation right now for a thirty year old going on thirty one years old coming off in injury riddled season for some he didn't make a Pro Bowl is is going to be in between what the what the giants offer the Beckham in what the Steelers Antonio Brown. Right. You're probably not you're not getting a first-round pick green. I think that's pretty much established at this point is on the wrong side of thirty. He's not a spring chicken length like Beckham is he's going into his third contract. So I don't I don't think first round pick on table unless it's like one of the four the last four picks the first round, even then you sure you need to your into probably like the chiefs of the patriots. When you're being. Consciousness in the AFC two minutes. He's more pages. I can use them. So if you're gonna for something can be late for trumping probably a second maybe along with their rump navy, two seconds. Maybe one of them's a future big. So you that's gonna be the compensation, and that is how petition to what may be Bengals hope that they could have gone for any if they treated them before before. Then the whole goal is to get those assets to eventually move up to draft a quarterback if the finishing as one of the worst teams the NFL, but it's not impossible. I think green fits along the lines of liking lack into who is the type of player that would be comfortable accepting a another deal with low guarantee money like the Atkins ended ended up signing well below what Donald eventually got a couple of weeks later back in right before the twenty eighteen season wasn't going to be anywhere near where the market was for the for the very top into your pass rushers but he ended up signing because I think this is that that type of personality that the Bengals gravitate towards. Everything that we've heard from aged green was that he wants MRs career here in those just words money ended ended up being more important than what the words of these players speak, but you know, agents happiness is really all I care about. And if he wants to go to a contender think the Bengals should honor that wish ended up trading in for the most right now, but green may wanna vicious creature in may end up taking less actual money than he could end up getting on the open market. So I think the plan for green would be try to get him extended for for this year and not go into twenty twenty fridges because if they do I don't think they're going to match the guaranteed money that green will end up in the on the open market because even though he is thirty one years old. I think there will still be a substantial market for him because he is still a top-five flare physician. He still has tremendous value is just not the long term value. That would Neta I Trump pick. I guess I think if the Bengals word to trade him undoubtedly would be for. I don't think that's that's going to happen. Yeah. I'm an I'm just gonna try to got a small handful of points y think they? Should not train them going to try and be linked with it number one learned from Andrew Whitworth. I mean, left tackle wide receiver two different things. But the Bengals like to to pay Mike Brown does pay skill position players. He pays tackles a lot too. But you know, one of your best players ever to walk through the doors. Don't let him go. Let him retire. Bangle? Do the right thing. Pay him. The other thing is again, I'll reiterate I don't know that trading him away for a young signal signal. Caller is a good move because of the polarizing aspects of the players in this class. Also, you're doing a disservice right away to that signal caller by getting rid of premier pass catching truth at history. So I mean, it's kinda like what are you doing? I think you you hang onto him. He's probably got like you said John two to three years of really good play left. You can extend Tyler Boyd and you bring in a new quarterback to groom behind any Dalton. And you have those two guys lined up law long-term for this team a new quarterback or new. Yeah. New quarterback comes in and uses those weapons. I I mean, I think that's that just doesn't immediate service by doing that. And then the other thing is if they free up fifteen or so million of cap space by getting rid of AJ green. And they move up to get a quarterback. Do you believe that this team is going to use a substantial part of that money and outside free agency to get an impact player? I do not know at this point. Now, you would've wanted to dump that salary earlier to then get into the earlier part of the free agency fray in get one of another premier player at another position. So at this point, I just don't think it makes sense. I think like you said John extend the guy let him retire. Aghil let them try, and you know, make a bid for the hall continue his bid for the hall of fame as a Bengals player. Why not keep them, and you know, help out eighty Dalton help out the next quarterback that comes along as here. Thanks for all the calls tonight. Folks. Thanks for for sticking with us all the comments in the live YouTube chat. All of we got some texts as well. We just we are just low on time. We've had a jam packed show as we probably expected with the onset of free agency. But we appreciate all the feedback. John any final thoughts before we get out of here indoor myself for an extended period of time. Again, I think we just learned a lot about with French still is and maybe some of us kind of jumped the gun the -ssume that because they're bringing head coach you is used to an environment. That is very open to bring in outside talent in all feasible ways possible that that transition was going to happen overnight. But I think we realized. Not only does actually have the influence to do that just yet. But perhaps maybe do Tobin isn't quite the the the doesn't quite have the role that we may have believed that he is maybe not only not a GM named babies. It's not GM at all. I think that there's still major questions that the Blackburn administration in Mike Brown's influence, or what is infamous still there's still major rush marks with that in how much has really changed going into this new era of angles football. If is that coaching staff can get the most out of right now, it looks to be most of the same roster going into twenty nineteen that's fine. But they're still major questions with their process. And I think this this past couple days have really opened a lot of is in that in really have closed often is in there still a lot of questions that teams to answer. The I just you got to wonder what that with that, you know, young coach first time head coach. I mean does he sit here did he know that? 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Our Seven Biggest Questions Ahead of Season 8 (Season 8 Preview, Part 5) | Game of Thrones

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Our Seven Biggest Questions Ahead of Season 8 (Season 8 Preview, Part 5) | Game of Thrones

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We will be with you live exclusively on Twitter right after the episode along with Chris Ryan protector of the watches realm right now, though, grab sour goat's milk comforting in life-sustaining fire because it's time to head to the sept- beads and the light of seven. All right, folks. It's time to dive into our seven biggest questions ahead of the season eight premiere of game of thrones. And if you're nude binge mode, you're about to learn that sometimes we say, we're doing seven things, and it's really eight hundred and seven things seven things with fifty bullet points under the first thing. And if you not new to binge road, you're familiar with this tactic. So the first question is really an umbrella for a subset of questions. And the first question is really the most boil down condensed version all the John's style John stuff, obviously, the the mystery of his parentage now revealed was the central mystery driving the story both in the books in the show for as long as we had a story. So now that it's revealed when and how will John learn the truth that the audience knows now, right? And what will the impact of that be? I think that we have to consider the fact that there might actually still be multiple phases of reveal hundred humming. So if we look back at how the tower of joy information and John's pitched reveal has been parceled out to us as viewers. It's been the central question. Since the story began, obviously the way that Ned and John parted with nets promise to tell John about his mother when they met again. And of course, not meeting again because that died and we get to tower of joy for the first time early in season six oh my God. It's happening. And then it doesn't actually happen until the season six finale. And it's the best moment in the history of the show. But even then there's more information that doesn't come to us until the season seven finale, which is Wim. We finally learned that there was an enormous for regard Elliott in a marriage for radar and rang, Ana prince prince. And of course, John's true name is gone, Gary. And so it seems reasonable on the one hand to deduce that similar pacing could apply to John and the rest of the Rome learning new very obvious flip side to that is well, six episodes of thirds left. So perhaps it will be something where Sam and brand one the other both tell John fairly quickly upon his return to winter fell because we know that's their intention. That's how they end their exchange in season seven finale, we asked to know, we have to tell him, right? But is John who as we will get to later has yet to broadcast the information about his resurrection across the room going to a media share this information with everyone across probably so maybe we'll see John find out immediately, and it will take a little longer for yet. Imagine it's gotta happen. You know, getting six associate has got to have. Fairly early. That is how we end the season. And I think it'll be interesting to see how they break it to him brand. I think we both agree is not the bedside manner guy at this point. He's just kind of out there in space land saying stuff, and I'm excited to see him say urea, gone targe area. But guess what I'm the three hundred. I mean, that's what Sam exists mainly to do research in the extinct pages of history. And then get it confirmed by brand, and then basically take brand stuff and translated into actually human speech. So people could understand it and like not just be talking to this weird kid. But I think I would imagine it's going to be Sam breaking it to him. And then John just reeling for an episode not knowing how to deal with it. I think we have to keep in mind that Sam has always been the one best quip to help John cope and to help him process. Some new painful information in his life. You know, all the way back in season. One when John found out that he was named to the stewards and not the Rangers as he dreamed of being Sam was the one who helped him. See Lord commander more mount was grooming him for command in this could be a wonderful thing and great way to learn and grow into a leader. And a great part of his legacy. If you chose to think of it that way, SAM's always been most adapt. You know, he, of course, brought John back after John fled because he wanted to go reunite with his family. He's always been best acquitted helping John recalibrate how he's thinking about some aspects of his own life. Now, it's interesting to think about the fact that Sam was gone John was resurrected so Sam has some catching up to do on that part of John's life to what happens though after John processes this. There's that wonderful quick little shot in not the main trailer. But one of the shorter spots since come out of John lighting candles in the crypts could be Ned, certainly. But maybe that's a like moment that will absolutely shred me where he's lighting candles. I'm Leon tune visiting his mother's tomb. What happens when? After John process is this. He tells everyone or other people tell everyone how will the rest of the Rome process. This will the north in particular continue to stand behind him after it's revealed that he is tarp area. It's a great question. And you have to imagine that it's going to cause friction with northern houses. This is a part of the country that is now declared independence twice, and we should loop in the lords of the Vale here drivers, Royce because if and admission says targe area and cannot be trusted into John's is he says, John so you you do wonder clearly if the veil feels this way the veil largely untouched by the wars that have gone on in the last several years the north decimated by the wars that have gone on in the last several years have fought and died in great numbers in order to declare themselves. Independent from the kings and queens at rule from the south. Now, you have John bending the need to target area and clean, and oh, yeah. He's also a targeting. There's just gonna be questions that arise from that. Yes. John is essentially Ned, son. Whatever the biology is he's Ned son. He he takes after him and personality traits his personal code. That's all Ned yet. But that's not really how people in this world. See things, you know, blood. What's one of the things people say in the books of blood tells like bastards are thought of as shifty and untrustworthy for reason because they don't have the full blood of a Royal union behind them. So I think that it's bound to cause problems that said there is a more pressing problem, which is the night king is marching down from the wall on winner fell. So I don't know that while certainly they'll be people who are like the I'm not sure about this guy anymore. It's not like you can really address. Those things right now, we gotta fight the dead guy. Right. John's biggest defense in this case is just the same thing. He's been saying for the last few seasons. I like to do is. Also, of course, when we think about history because what you just said about the recent wars is obviously true. Let's go back a little further to the wars before that to Robert's rebellion and to the events that incited Robert's rebellion the north believes everyone except for the precious. You people who have information to the contrary believe that regard kidnapped and raped Liana. And they know that the mad king burned Rickard stark and strangled Brandon stark to death at the same time. You know, that's a great point. Because even when the reveal of Reagan Liana their love their wedding that it was legitimate under the eyes of the seven even when that's revealed. It's not like people are gonna go. Okay. It's cool now. Right. It doesn't race. The crosses the mad king committed during the course of his reign, and Danny is his daughter. And now, they will know the John is part of that family tree. Now, one of the lessons of the. Ori- is that the sun is not the father. The child is not the parent, and John is one of the primary characters who preaches that Ned Numba, but not everybody is as open minded and progressive is John is in that sense. Will he and others people to get other people to think that way to be determined? There's a lot of history there working against them. And how start end lords of the Vale through John Aaron where at the heart along with Robert and Raphael, of course, over Trevelyan the wage the war to bring down the tar Garin dynasty. Yeah. I think there's there's a world where if you very paranoid the argument to kind of foment negative opinion against John is not that hard to gin up. It's like, okay. So the target audience the mad king executed, lured Ricard and Brandon. And now his grandson is secretly going to rule the north not even secretly now openly has attempted to secretly rule the north and now is going to openly rule the north because his secret. It's been revealed to everyone. There's just people that are not going to be happy about that. And it's something that you can envision Serfaty using as an active wedge in divisive tactic. We don't know when or house or see will interact with the rest of the characters in the story because you know, sir, c and eventually you're on the golden company who will get to later will be centered in king's landing for the beginning of the season. We think but the bulk of the other characters on the show are headed up to winter fell. So will she be able if the little birds get this hybrid, and it gets to her to use this in some way to so seeds of discontent in the northern camp that can only help her? Yeah. And you know, start must always ruling winner fell and John's targe area as Avon tar Garin sonza stark is a stark are stark of stark stark is the three I'd raven. But he's start brand is highest fuck on his psi p-. But John is John Tarr Garin. Glad you mentioned sonza because this is a key thing. I think about how is Sonya in particular. Going to react all of this little fingers out of the way, he's not they're trying to poison the well anymore, and she proved that she was capable of seeing through the bullshit and staying unified and strong with her family against those who would seek to tear them apart. However, we saw her receive John's raven scroll, she's not happy telling her that he had been the knee didn't sit well with her. I feel that we need to remember. So right before the battle, the bastards there is that Harley between John and his top lieutenants Ramsey and his top lieutenants, and they go back and forth, and they ride away and later John tent saunas, like I know him better than any of, you know, one asked me signs at this point has proven that she is a skilled administrator and leader and a underrated -ly. Cunning strategist. And once again, John has gone off and done a thing that directly affects her bent the knee without discussing it with her, right? This is a huge decision. And he's not disgusted with her. There's bound to be issues that arise mainly because of the fact that John doesn't let her into his decision making process, and he should he needs to this is why I'm very glad that Arias there because obviously the aria John reunion is one of the most anticipated maybe the most anticipated reunion of season aid. And we know that aria will be team, Jon we can't really say what role brand will serve in all of this. We hear that voice over live from him in the trailer about home, the idea of home in returning home. And I think we and many people out there really really really want the four of them to stay strong stay together. The more interesting question than how sonza or ROY sore lords the north or anyone else will process. Mation even how Danny will process information. Because of course, from Danny's perspective, John has a better claim to the throne in her, and she leaves the birthright that's going to be interesting. Yes. The most interesting thing to me, though, is John and he's ability to process in how he views himself after learning about this because the story is ultimately about among its most central themes identity, and the family you choose we returned to these ideas time and time and time again, John grew up desperately wanting to be a stark to really belong in winter fell to not have to sit separate from the head table at a feast. Right. And he's not just going to say, oh, cool charge. Aaron great first of all he's going to feel unworthy of this just as he has of his remain. He may feel more than where they just like absolutely wanting to reject this. Exactly. So that's. Other thing that we have to consider how is he going to respond to this? It's just one more burden. Will he wanna shoulder will he be able to he's probably going to say to Danny? It's yours. I don't want it. And then the question is if he wants to say in the north is that even possible if you're the savior, if your leader of humanity charge against the crush of death. Can you say I lead you in this way? But not in this other. You know, what will that look like that's going to be one of the more interesting dynamics season eight, but we've heard him say time and time again that he is fighting for the north. He is of the north. And that's why that exchange between John theon at the end of season seven was so crucial because we don't really care about theon. It was masquerading as seen about the end pointedly about John's identity and his ability to think this way, hopefully in the future when he says to me on you don't have to choose. You can be a great joy Anna stark will the same will apply to John. He doesn't have to choose can be. It's hard Garin end star. I just had a very not. Great idea. I really hope that the way that's brought back up isn't fiancee's at back to John that would really. The annual drowned on his way to try to save yard and really hope. That is the way that he gets very very good advice. Played back at him. I really hope that not. Yeah. Well, off if we think about the crypts of winter fell trailer that is obviously not actual footage from the season. It is the Matic it is symbolic and this idea of belonging. You know, the crypts of winter fell this sacred place for the Starks in the Starks alone. You know, we hear John tell little finger heat doesn't belong down there. And in the books, of course, Jon has these dreams about the old kings of winter telling him, he's not a stark and him feeling like he doesn't belong, but whose voice plays in that trailer as John is walking neds, reminding us as you said before it doesn't matter if John is nets biological, son. He's he's assign and just as John said that the end net is a part of him. What about the incest, though, I love it? We believe Danny will probably be threatened by John's claim she didn't care about the fact that she's fucking her nephew. I mean, she might. She might care a little bit. But again, she's it's very incest. She's a targe area. And this is kind of what they do. For hundreds of years. We've been marrying sister, brother. She grew up thinking in the books that they the Harry. The. So yeah, I think this is for her. It's not going to matter that much. I think for him. It's going to be an issue. Yeah. It's gonna be a weird one. The house stark just fought a war devastating war to eject the fruits of incest from the iron throne. So tough look there for Johnny Danny's not gonna care. Can we spend just a second time about the fact that John spent his entire life resisting, the carnal urges? And then when he finally succumbed to the base pull of the human flesh. He ended up fucking wild Ling. And then his aunt not exactly line with the social norms of the realm. And listen Johnny's a great guy. Obviously incredible leader swordsman in both. I'll say both definitions of the term. Tung's men tongues men, but really knocked it out of the park with the two agreed big fan. Yeah. Danny and these are two two dimes to dimes incredibly talented, and vibrant and fear. Swimming, one was slightly better hygiene than the other. That's fine. Hygiene in this world is like just going to be hit or miss. But who are also just like we're so vastly vastly more experienced than him that shots to John. Really crushing it in that respect. I just love that moment. When you it's like amazing. I would trimming leave. Regardless of how John feels about the touch of incest. Yeah. Deep touch. Deep deep deep touch of incest. We know that the reason John was virgin for so long is because growing up as a bastard he could not abide the thought the prospect of maybe fathering one day so of Danny's pregnant if that one is. Is quitting. John is gonna want to be a father to that agree Sheild and beyond that just the practicality of the relationship their alliance. Make sense, it makes a lot of sense. It makes a lot of sense it made a lot the reveal of John's parents is gonna complicate that significantly. But marrying the king of the north of the vast northern part of the realm, which does not want to be part of the wider will marrying him to Danny. Who was just rule the entire just smart now, obviously the reveal is going to complicate things. I'll just say to go back to what you said about practicality and John not wanting to father bastards, why did he never learn to pull out just pull out? I'm not saying this for all of us that live in the world in two thousand nineteen obviously there's if you're looking to avoid, pregnancies. There's better ways. Yeah. Please don't take your birth control advice from Jason and only use the pull out method a bunch of binge. I'm not I'm saying specifically for the for a west roasts where it's like that's probably as good as it gets that are going to Khyber n- getting something. Getting moon t from Khyber kn I'm just saying like, John you don't need to be blasting up inside. Agreed all the time. Danny. If you're worried about to save your worried about it, listen when Sam said, you didn't know where to put it like says ring Johnson. Maybe he doesn't understand like how it works is not, but it's not like fucking rocket science shit. Anyway. If there is a baby if there is a marriage, if there isn't whether Danny and John are United or whether they are opposed this idea of John's claim this idea of whether they've you each other stretchers allies, we just have to keep in mind that there's a pattern of John who when we were first introduced to him was very entitled very brash on the best fighter here. But then quickly transitioned into more humility, and this phase of his life where he is a reluctant very gifted leader, you know, heating, he didn't campaign to be Lord commander Sam put him up for it. She didn't want to go. Reclaim winter fell sonza head to him. He didn't ask to be king in the north. The Lord's raised him to that standing. But every time that's happened. He has gone on to rule with honor and grace and to give it not only his all, but so much of himself and so much of his. Conviction that it literally got him killed at one point. That's how to terminate. He was to take his position as commander seriously. Well, Rum's of men can't let them be meat for the army either got to protect the malls. So he may not want it. But if it is given to him if other people ask him if it is what's necessary to preserve the room and life. He will answer the call speaking of life. Yes. This is a great one when and how will the round learn the truth of his resurrection and the night's watch exit. Why are more people asking how the former Lord commander just left the night's watch? Because if you don't know the specifics to you that has to look like one thing and one thing only desertion, and yet the only person who's made the desertion glam thrown that John when he was Rainsy, and we should say, by the way, a lot of these things you can read about in depth and the loose ends Syria. Hello on the ringer. Yeah. We'll Gregor's Sears. Yeah. I think that one of the. Things many things that I really love about the book about the way. George Martin builds world, really breathing vibrant, pulsating world L sitting is the way that word of mouth travels in that world, you know, people rumors and gossip, and I know it's like this vast game of telephone people hear things in changes as the information moves across the round. This was one of the reasons that you we were so outraged by the whole San's aria, scroll rift anxious and Saturdays your point was people would have known that she had sent it. And that of course, she had been forced to one of the reveals in that moment right before aria slits little fingers throat is brand saying you held a knife to our father's throat and said, I told you it onto trust me. No one needs brand do that. There were hundreds of people probably in the throne room when that happened all of them who would have left that room and been like, Honey, you're not gonna believe what happened to throne room today. Finger held a knife to med starts walking throw. Yeah. Definitely trending topic on Twitter. It would have just gone everywhere and same thing here with John's resurrection people who've been like he came back from the debt that would've that news would be spreading like wildfire and along with that news. If people don't believe that particular room because he'd be like out bullshit, maybe he was injured very badly. But give me a fucking break. You did least people would at least be asking the question. How did he how is he not the Lord community more that would be everywhere? And the fact that people are not doing that is very same super strange, very strange. Why is Sam not you know, like SAM's first question needs to be like, wait. Why are you not? I have two thoughts on this one. I wonder if the cover that allows them to basically not address this will just be that everyone has fled the wall. Now though too. I wonder if the way it could be raised is if Royce or others, I like to think that Our Lady lay on a more mumble steal oil. No matter what. But Glover who knows if someone in the process of hearing about the target Syrian when he edge and John bending, the knees questioning his oaths may be they bring it up then. Well, your word is Lord commander men nothing. Right. And then he can your word is king in the north mean now, obviously that wouldn't be a fair assessment. By the letter of the words of the pledge of the oath. He did give his life to the night's watch thus absolving him and freeing him. That's a little scary to think about actually it's interesting to me to that brand hasn't seen it or felted or caught any wind of it yet. But yeah, this this reser. Election reveal it's wild at more people aren't talking about it. And it's rumor the reaction when John walks out of the room supported by Davos, people were just like, they think you remember torment think God's time you're that small pecker. That's I mean, this is legitimately amazing stuff. And it's while the people are not. Yeah. The thing is there are two potential ways when this surfaces, and it's reasonable to assume we have to assume that it will. Because the other thing is we know that Danny's onto this because Davos in his very delayed hype man introduction after. Titles titles titles, and then Davos like this John, and then eventually started stumping for him and got to the point where he was about to say that he gave his life. And then John gives them the look stopped short and leader, Danny esoteric. Hey catch that. And then she sees the score the huge very poorly healed scar right over his heart. So she's onto this. It's a great point. Because what would what would daddy do if something similar happens her? She would be a mother dragons the Khalil aggressee, the unkillable unburned you mortal, actually, add that to the title Seidl, titled apps, and that would be part of her CV. Now, of course, Danny emerging on burnt from the fire not only Dragos funeral pyre with the dragons. But then again and show and from vista threat after she burned it in season six that's rebirth imagery for her as well. So this is in theory, just one more thing for them to bond over though, it could also again position John as a threat. Because to your point about that torment, quote about the members of the night's watch thinking, John with some kind of God there to ease people in the wrong process. This. Small one people will view him as it got like figure or two they might be afraid of him. And they might not trust him. This is where it's worth remembering how someone like Varis spoke about Mela, Sandra. And that there could be nothing more dangerous than status with a personal Mela Sandra by his side getting the iron throne who brought John back Mella, Sandra. So it could go that way too. But this is our last little John item here with this. Is it easy? We'll anybody give a shit about any of this other stuff when they're in raptured watching John Reid a dragon because. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lock lock lock it. Almost feels weird to bring it up because I think all of us, you me, everyone washes show is like his red dragon. He's gonna ride ragle like it's going to happen. I mean, he's ridden the dragon in a certain cell, but. But unlike Giora is not too tired and old to ride the dragon getting bucked off the dragon. Really stood out to me on the rewatch. The tragedy of Dario telling joy, he's too old dry. The dragon and then basically dragging termi-. Yeah. He's gonna he's gonna ride it. That's luck. Drogue on gives them the sniff test of approval in season seven on dragons done we call that by the way. And of course, now if this area's with king who is the who is the other dragon with Danny ragle named after radar John's father. I mean, this is just it's too perfect. And then the question becomes because I think we we all agree that this is lock. What is the result of this is just going to be a ride in the air with his new are they gonna go scouting for something? We'll the dragons allow them to escape if the battle of winter practice. He's got I would assume whatever the first thing happens. There's going to be some practice. Well, he in the night king do battle in the air. Yeah. Can't wait to find out. All right speaking, the night king number two done done. Done done number one. All the way Walker stuff. I what do the white walkers really want? We are sixty seven episodes into game of thrones. And we do not have an answer for this question. We'll have some bad news for everyone. We're not gonna get it. We're not. I don't think we're gonna get based on Suzette. Cram wrote a great piece about this very thing. What is making want? You find that on the ring dot com. Great website. And there's a quote in there from db Weiss that essentially is like the night king was created to do this. He just wants to do what he's doing like a virus or like a tornado or hurricane force of nature. He's just doing what he does. And there's no greater motive than that, essentially. So I think as Zach raises in his article, maybe he's being cagey and is trying to tamp down the further reveal. But that kind of rings true to me just going by how they have framed the night king, thus far, and the fact that there are six. Episodes left. I think that we're probably just not going to get it. I hope that we learn more. And I think there have been enough colonels along the way that indicate that there has to be some greater truth here. You know, first of all we know because through brand we saw this that the king was the first man in the children of the forest created the white walkers classic fantasy idea right Sifi classic idea. You ultimately are the vehicle of your own destruction. You bring something into the world. And then it does you will humans have motives is that humanity's still inside of the night king. Is it inside of those that he then turns? Who have we seen turned into a white Walker human baby crashers babies, and as we hear crashed or boast about ninety nine sons did all of them become white walkers other than Gillies son, obviously Young Sam what is the growth rate there? We don't know. But why are they taking in converting the babies in the first place, and there's definitely agency and the ability to think rationally play there because we know from crafters confidence that he could stay there and survive would we hear the why gift for the guy sort of deal? That's there's underlying deal. It's not just like the night. King is ravenous force xactly. So there's agency play there. And also just in the decision making to leave people alive in certain scenarios to move south. Now, sure you could say fairly convincingly wall. It's like a virus? What is the firesuits spreads? It does seem like there is something that they're after some they're pursuing. So do they want to gain or? Control something or do. They just want to destroy. I really hope we saying saying same a subset of that. Why is the making so interested in John? Why hasn't he killed him? Because there have been or tried to not even successfully but try to because there have been a couple of times when he could have obviously, the staredown at heart home and conic moment, and I like battle you're telling me that the night king who leader in that episode unleashes a perfect javelin throw to bring down a moving their Razzie arc to it. It's like a laser beam, go straight, right? So he know draw. He couldn't hit John standing still on a rock heaped. Choose not to why. Yeah. It's interesting. So I recently watched the because you know, as many of you may know, we've been watching. I watched the inside the episode for hard home, recently and show runners talk about that staredown and the way they frame it is that this is the first time night the night came really becomes aware of John sees him kill one of his top lieutenants with a Valerian sword. Obviously, John right there made a crucial discovery, which is flaring steal can harm them. The night. King has been used to just racking up ws to this point. So he found John very interesting and the way they frame that staredown is kind of like a nonverbal. Fuck you. I think is the way that Miguel posh Nick put it director of hard home, which is kind of like, okay, you killed one of my guys, and you are theoretically threat to me, but look at this look at this power. So there again, speaking to a deeper kind of motivation that I really hope we get to understand like clearly the night king understands that it's important to intimidate this foe. Yes, I want to know more. This is a slight spoiler not of a plot specific. But if something that actor said while doing press, so if you don't wanna hear this zip ahead about a minute the actor who plays the night king Vladimir Fertig told Entertainment Weekly, quote, people will see he has a target. He wants to kill now. Just as with any quote from anybody who is in any way involved in game of thrones. We have to take it with a heaping portion of salts. Not just a green and say, maybe it's misdirection deliberately or otherwise. But if that's true who is that person. And what what is the significance that is it John? Is it brand? Is it John Danny's babies, Danny is another dragon? Is it Young Sam crashed her baby who they didn't get. What is the possibility here the most likely answer? And then what is the significance of that? Yeah. If you had to choose between, John and Brin, you choose brand, wouldn't you? Well. I think it depends on whether John is actually the prophesized savior. And whether in some way, the night king is that right? And then that gets into the idea of brand being the night king, perhaps were great other versus reward versus reward. If John is the champion the Lord of lights champion and the night. King is the great other champagne, which is one way you could think about it. Then these are the opposing forces. We're gonna talk about messenger a little bit more later. But interesting thing about that is N really in general like how much is Lord of light and reward and that religion going to factor into the end game because it's been very present throughout the entire story. But I think we can say that we're not clear on where the story lands on that like how we're supposed to feel about that. And think about it because in many ways, no Sandra is one of the most villainous carry show. That's a thing that is to me, honestly, kind of the essence. Of game of thrones. In a song of ice and fire is if it all boils down to this kind of mannequin duel between quote ultimate evil the night, king, cold darkness, and what ruler followers would frame of ultimate good Lord. The Lord of light symbolized by fire and daytime what you actually have is much more shades of gray battle here because. Yeah, the followers of religious out here willy nilly burning children and burning various people birthing smoke babies into the world to Kim sleigh. So so reassigned so what if oil is down to is this great chess match between two cruel. God's one who is slightly better than the other. Or I guess better than the other. But still pretty bad. That's kind of interesting to me. Like, that's the great duel between good and evil is like the people who burn children and the guy who wants to kill everyone. Well, and I think as as has been a theme throughout the story, then the question and probably the most fascinating element would be. See how humanity comes into play to reconcile with the the magic and the mythology. You know, how John feel about or Danny or anyone feel about being ultimately a tool of that war a pawn in that war when so much of the power of the story comes from the idea of making choices that determine the course of your life of not letting who your father was or what your family name is determine who you're supposed to be while we're on the topic away. Walkers do or heroes have enough weapons to take them down. Now on the one hand something that we learned in season seven makes the answer to this in over. Yes. Because during during season seven six dump plan beyond the wall. John sleighs a white Walker and all of the whites that that way Walker. They posit had turned fall. So we refer to this as, you know, kill the one kill the many like the idea of the viral and the passage if you haven't read the passage read it the first one. So does that mean that if the night king false, that's it all the walkers or wiped out now, we have evidence in the show that people think this is true. Because again, I battle Barrick tells John very is you just need to get him. And then we're good now obviously getting to him is not going to be easy now. Sure, if you've heard about the army of the dead hundred thousand at least. But that might be alternately how this resolves. It's at least one possibility let's say that they can't get some night king. And it's about waging war against the army, which we know is going to happen. We know that so three is going to be the battle of winter fell. And crucially, we don't see the night king in the trailer for he's not there. Where is he are they not showing us or see actually not there? We don't know they're going to have to fight that army, regardless. So do they have enough weapons to win in terms of Larry and weapons that's unequivocal? No these were extremely rare in west roasts, wildly expensive literally could not buy one. So yeah, no on that front. But as you noted they've been mining the dragon glass at Johns behest, and they have a lot of it. You can kinda see the piles of it being worked in the trailer there in the scene where you see entry. Yes. Which is another reason why I hate to keep harping on this very in torment throw us rear through one spear. Just you. Narrow doing shot you could ended this thing. Imagine if you go look easy on a full court. He even end this thing. Anyway, that's all. So with the dragging glass, they probably have enough of that to arm everyone, and then you can see kind of dragging glass. Shields and stuff if you really pause that trailer again and were Suming that the battle of winter fill is some form of defeat. They have to flee south if that's the case dragging so's essentially a limitless supply of of dragging glass. It's just like, can you mind it in time? So I'm going to say, yes, they do have the weaponry. Is there any chance that I know you're post this? Let's just get it on the record one more time. They can learn how to make more Valerian steel. I is roles. Smith is ultimately not about being Robert's bastard and running legitimized and winning a track meet, and that his role is to figure out the secrets the spells that worked variance steel separate from that could bran or Sam fi. Find more weapons either like wear dark sister is or some of the loss flare steel swords either and Sam scroll or in brands treat or net research or in going back to learn about the long night in the scrolls and through brands googling. Learn about other weapons that we don't yet know about could any of that happen. I don't think so Valerian steel, listen, the tar gehri- couldn't make more right? And they were from Valeria trag lords part of the noble leadership a minor house, but still part of the noble leadership of that empire. And they didn't have the ability to make more end they had dragons. So you have to assume that because of that this was an incredibly tightly held secret by like, whatever the Smith guilt of Valeria was of the houses that controlled Smith and the process was some kind of state secret and tightly held and to probably extremely difficult to replicate. Even if you do have the recipe, so I hope that that's not the case that injury and Sam just like doing research in the books like Anna figures that out it just feels like that is. A little bit of cheat yet, the only thing that I keep coming back to is that Genry Smith for Togo Maat who we know from the books is one of the few armourers who could at least work Valerian steel. That's not the same as knowing how to create it. Right. But could at least work it then either weapon that we have to talk about is dragon fire. And we know kills whites. We do not know if it goes white walkers. So an important thing that you have noted here, and then I'd noticed too. When I was on my rewatch is there's a scene in the door the episode the door where ho doors background Israel, where I think of it as the episode where we need listen loss summer, but as very toughly he just jumps identified anyway. So the children of the forest they're defending the entrance to the cave, and they throw one of those little firebombs, and they light an arc of fire around the door of the cave. And there's an camera goes to. Shot. That's looking down directly above the fire. And you see the whites recoil from flames. But white ops them the white walkers just walk on through and that was right. Very deliberately done. Yep. To let us know that at least some kind of magical fire because that's obviously like not just regular fire. That's, you know, created by the children of the forest with those eggs, at least, at least some level of magical fire that while it can kill whites. Does not even phase white walkers. Does that stand for dragon fire TB D, but it's at least on the table that they would be resistant to it. And we also have to wonder what's going to happen. If vissarion flames meet drogue on or rails flames. And speaking of a Syrian just wanna spend thirty seconds here on another white Walker center question that candidly had never occurred to me until about. About three weeks ago. And now, I can't stop thinking about it. Even though you keep telling me that I'm wrong. Well, I disagree with it. But can I'm not necessarily convinced that a true. I just think it's worth thinking about vissarion, maybe a white Walker and not a white. And if so does it matter now after we saw him fall in seasons have an episode six and then the night king race him. And then after we saw him come in enter the fray, come into the battle of bring down the portion of the wall by east watch in the season's finale, we all were referring Timothy white. But subsequently the script for that episode for the seasons of finality has made its way out into the world is these things often do and he is referred to not as a white but I- straggling and he is compared not to the whites. But to crass tres baby saying the Nike has done to him what he did to grass. Maybe there's like. Forgetting the exact phrasing. There's conic line. That says basically he was a baby in this is dragon. It's the same. He was a baby. That's very funny. So they're the Klusener script. And then also if we then without a mind reassess would actually happen. How have we seen the night king raise whites raise the debt lifting his arms, right? Very traumatic loves to flex. How did he convert crossers touch touched him on the cheek? How did he actually wake Zahren touch touched on the knows what it was is look like they're that vibrant, fiery blue? They're not that milky pale-blue that we see on whites. And while we do not know the exact makeup of the fire is it ISIS a fire is that icy fire it's fire of some variety. And we know that fire kills whites. So you would think that if you were white and you were emitting fire he would literally tearing himself apart. So why does this potentially matter because if he's a Walker and not a white he sentient, and what have we heard from Danny time and time again, a dragon is not a slave. If he is a -centia being can he be worked by? By brand we're gonna get into the brand stuff in a second here. So we'll sit on that for now. Final thing about the walkers for now this gets back to the idea of what might be after what might they want? Why is this massive battle taking place at winner? Fells just because it's in the north is just because of geography just or is there a story Centric reason? Right. Eat something in the crypts of winter fell the white walkers need or want I'm gonna say, I hope so and I think so I think certainly the crypts have always been central to this story. Ned John Robert have needed to kind of reengage with their pass with their roots on Arianna aria brand. And Rick on when they were hiding, they go to the crypts Crips of always been there as a place of secrets, but also of deep tradition and routes and routes that go down so far that the stocks aren't even aware of how far they go down. Right. So. So something is there something there is it the great other perhaps, I don't know why isn't the night king the great other than well. Maybe he is. Or maybe he is a soldier of the great other. Either of those could be true. So this is where I could come into play either way either. If the great other is there because what do we not know? We don't know. Why winter fellas named winter fell? Is it literally the site where winter fell winter fell when the first long night ended because brand the builder raised winter fell? What it what was built? I the crypts and the the I keep which is over the crypts. It's not unreasonable deduce that there's some ancient magic that is being encased in there and winter fellows both on hot springs. Right. The walls, always warm. What do we know about the crypts freezing cold? Maybe the heart of winter is actually contained in there. So perhaps I king trying to unleash that. Or you can look at it the other way, and if you think the necking is the great other. Maybe this is where winter can fall. All again, where he could be encased by that magic. Again. I think that there's something definitely down there. I will say that if it's the great other than this is like brand the builders design thinking is not top not why build a wall couple hundred miles north of where the actual rate other like build the wall just move it south, build the wall couple hundred miles south and just wall it off that way or two walls. I don't know. I like this. It's like multiple layers of defense. Now, we've said the crypts serve at a primary function of identity if nothing else, and of course, the honest tune being there, we both really love the idea at least in the books that Ray ours harp or some other tangible proof of their relationship might be down there. But it's fun to think about an attraction. Of course, it's fun to think about the magic that might be in case could be in case there as a pertains to the walkers and now quick break for a word from our sponsors. Today's episode of inch modus brought to you by imprimatur. 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Yes, how is it that the Nike is able to see brand when brand is capitalized on the then three driven taking a nap and goes on intended into the roots of the where would network and the night king sees him. Then touches him and marks him and his then through that connection able to enter the three ravens cave at last. We don't have an explanation yet for how that happened. Could it be because they are one in the same in? He is seeing himself because that has happened and thus can happen when he returns it says, he's on me. And then. Even like he talked remarks. He was on his way. It certainly seems as though the three then, of course with thousands and one who when they all arrive says I've been watching you all your lives. I know I know everything they came even though he knew it was going to happen. He's been expecting this in those final precious moments. What does he choose to show brand grand making holder these moments that all connect to who brand is what his power is? And to who John is. Here's a thing that I've been really struggling with the head of creation. Right. Here's a part of this that I've really been struggling with special Mary watch. What is the three I driven? Do. What's the job, right, obviously? It's an important one or blood raven AK, the three eyed raven would not have been so eager to earmark brand from such an early age and call him north and have him take his place would he doing what if? It's something like guardian of the fabric of reality. So say brand affected the past at some point in the past a brand in some time line, did this thing the whole thing. And that every time that happens. It's like a loop. That has to be maintained you have to do it again when it comes up again or else everything falls apart. What if it's something like that the three eyed raven the reason the three hundred I gotta take you back. And we gotta do this thing. Now is a core part of his job responsibility was to make sure that brand did that again or else some something bad happens. Like, the time line falls apart the fabric of reality falls apart unless that particular thing happens again. So these things are connected is ran than I king and Ken brand change the past. They don't have to be connected, but interest that we think about them as possibilities. They are connected. Because all of these things are. Twined withhold are this is where the three ad ravens comment about the ink being dry comes into play. But also where his comment about. It's lovely beneath the CB stay too long drown comes into play. He wants brand to believe that nothing can change. And yet he's warning him directly that if you lingers if you shouts out, and here's him has this whisper on the wind traps there that something that shouldn't happen could ease that actually a warning to prevent it to happen. Or is that a kernel that he's planning because it has happened? And he needs to understand his power. We know the brand has unprecedented power. We've known this as he I warned into hold or in the little lighthouse reaction from Joe gin and right OSHA. No one can absolutely shocked. No one can do that. So hold or is holder the entire time that we have been in this story been with brand been withhold are. When we see him as Willis. And then brand comes back and sees hold on the present and says, you know, you could talk what happened. It's like devastating because the answer what happened is him. But it hit already happened, and it's happening again to maintain a time line. So that brand understands his power when he shouts out to know when he shouts father tower joy. And that turns the look on the threat or even face there is like devastation. Yeah. What do we hear OSHA say the brand when he's by the where would it winter fowl? Who do you think sends the win this idea that these forces the gods, the three eyed raven this network, this power is actually impacting events of the world is there in the story. But this is where the idea of branding than I king. I think becomes tough to swallow. So it's all puppeteer and act someone else's and control. The choices of the characters. Don't matter that is. Not an appealing outcome. So the question I think is in addition to is the true if it is true. How can we reconcile that with the forces of willpower agency that all the other characters have? It's interesting question. The solution that I lean towards is. Well, brand is not one to one the night king. He in some way caused it to happen. Just like to point out. I don't know how important is that the two people that brand has affected while in the past are people that he knows Ned and holder and the night king, and again that the three driven deliberately took him to those moments other than than I can touch him Bram on his own to show him that so and it had already happened. So can he Frincis could he go into the past? And and speak to someone who doesn't know him who doesn't knows a complete stranger to him is the dry in that case unless you have some kind of personal history in connection with the people outside. Of the weird routes this just so much. We don't know about how this works. And I'm so eager to know. More will bran work dragon. We don't know if he can even work whites and white walkers. He's gotta try right? It's one of the things that view will fly. Yes, you will fly. He's flown already threats sharp because could this prophetic lines? So come into play where the dragons are concerned. Yeah. And then you can interpret that in a dark way too. If he is the night king could he then take control of the other giants and use them for ill. It's very upsetting thing to think about, but we have to keep in mind that game of thrones is not happy story. What's the Ramsey line? All right. If you think this has a happy, ending, you haven't been paying attention. So we can say all we don't want. We don't want. We don't want. And I think that the key that we both want to stress is we really want is for the rules of the universe to make sense. And for the characters Zachary wrote, a great piece about this. And you have consequo. Since that has always been the thing about thrones that has really other than just share like hefted scoop of the universe separated it from so many other stories is characters report they so consistently that has to continue to be true in the endgame. Can't just be Danny John fall in love have a baby get married rule and fend off evil and assuring the new dawn and everyone's happy. That's not what the story is. So if brand is and I king hope. Gin and true. But if he is one of the ways that could actually work quite effectively is the idea of John having to kill brand in order to defeat evil that feels very thrones into me. Yeah, man. I think if notable that the night king himself killed the three driven. He didn't let one of his generals. Do they waited for him show up? So that he could do it and the three driven knew that was going to happen. Yeah. What did at its time? So if the three hundred is some sort of guardian of the time line or something like that keeping everything stable what if this is the ultimate way to kill humanity is to just have the entire world fall apart not just like reduce it is. But actually like dissolve it because the person making sure that all these weird little loops and details that have been established at some point outside of time in the past or wherever continue to happen is no longer there to do it. But do you think the show has laid any groundwork zero? Or zero. Unfortunately that said it's not like the books of late all that more. There is some, but we haven't even seen whoever VO king white Walker is I mean, so here's another thing. That's interesting to think about just like the way you're describing the three driven as in essence guardian and so much of what we understand about his relationship with Bram was basically just about training him up to replace him. Because he seemed to know that he was going to exit at this exact moment in time. What if there's something similar about the night king like he needs a replacement to interesting I like that? 'cause I keep a thing. I keep thinking about I can't shake this of all the things I can't shake. I can't shake this every actor in the show talking about how the ending was something that no one has seen coming. And now is that just bullshit? Probably like, it's probably just posturing because they don't want to say like, well, yeah, I've seen a lot of red at theories about the end of game of thrones, everyone figured it out already. They're not going to say that. But like thinking about John, and particular what's an. Ending that we haven't for seen for John. You know, we talk about him living. We talk about him dying. We talk about him ruling with grace. We talk about enrolling reluctantly. We talk about the prospect of him having to achieve victory by killing someone close to him. Could he nissanusa, Danny? I don't really think that in the year two thousand nineteen. White boy killing the heroine. She'll further he's got the magic sorta ready shrew. But what if he has to hand himself over to winter in order to save everyone else this idea that he's gladly do it think about it gladly do it? And finally when we think about what brand is going to be able to uncover just as brand as three raven now, regardless of the night connections. Can he and Sam fine more children of the forest, and if so can the children of the farce unlocked something crucial about how long night ended the first time and what this version last year? Oh, redux last hero two point. What has to do are more children left? There have to be right. And there's gotta be somewhere hidden caves somewhere, maybe beyond the wall or on the isle faces there has to be that can't be all of them. It cannot be it would be wild. If they were introduced to the story on the show just to throw a few grenades. And that's it. I can only imagine that there are more. All right before we go on. Let's quickly hit our custom segments. 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Maybe a white Walker dragon to now he can blaze the path to more Oreo cookies, thanks to Oreo and head to Oreo dot com and pledge your field to the house or night king of your choice and tune into game of thrones on Sunday on HBO. Number four. You wrote about this today on the rare dot com great website, whose the prince that was promised who's or a high who's last hero whose salient who mounts the world in is anyone is it more than one person. I think is it. No one. I think that the stallion mounts the world if that's anyone it's Danny. She's already fulfilled part of that. Which is she has become the great call, right? Uniting house. Uniting the callous are under one leader. She killed all the other leaders. She is that person. Yes. Sats equivocal at this point. So let's go prince it was promised as or this is never spelled out as I ride in my piece, and as you can see for yourself when you read the books, this is never spelled out. But it is jested that as or a high was this original legendary hero who with magic sword light bringer that he forged after many tries by plunging into the chest of his wife. Very tough. Turning back, the great other and ultimate evil all those years ago, and that the Princeton that was promised is the reincarnation of this hero who will appear under a bleeding star reborn. Amidst smoking salt now who do we think that is the way prophecy plays out in game of thrones. It's very Greek tragedy kind of thing very edible where it's like there's two ways to go about it. Either you kind of just live your life, and the stars are lying or the more dangerous version is a person with power attempting to either become the prophecy or avoid it just brings down tragedy and heartbreak and death upon myself. So sir trying to avoid Maggie the frogs office for her entire life, thus filling it or status breath Manella Sandra thinking and convincing status that he was the prince obviously disastrous which led to, you know, thousands of dead on the battlefield the death by. Burning of many many many people including his daughter, so that's awful too. And then another thing to point out that I think is important is that the last hero is different from these other three in that. It's not a prediction. It's a story about a thing that happened in the past that may or may not be accurate. And I think it is notable that both the prince who slash that was promised. And the last hero stories both really seem to fit John. Yes. I think so bleeding star. And I write about this in my piece, and this is not something that I figured out. It's been out there for a while. But so in the scene in the tower of joy after Ned defeats the sort of the mornings are Dane, and he burst into the tower, and he leans dawn, sir. Arthur's fabled sword made from a meteorite against the bed. What's on the pommel is an inlay of the sun. Yep. Right next to the bloody sheets. Of Leon is bed. A believe that of blood the bed of blood, a bleeding star reborn amid smoking salt who's in the room when John is resurrected Mela, Sandra red priestess worshiper overlord the fire God smoke issue ham. She and sir Dabo seaworthy. Notable captain salt from the sea water. Yeah. I think you can make a compelling case that John is the prince who was promised. And then I think if you go to the last hero. I'll just read what old man's. There's also just literally the fact that Leon is dying words are promised promised me. I mean, it's all right. She hands him over all right there. And then will the other thing. I love about the way the story lays prophecy, and George has done. It is that all this stuff just falls into place in an only makes sense in retrospect, it's not anything you can chase. Then there's the last hero and old man's words in game of thrones the first book in the series. So as cold death fill the earth last year determined to seek. Out the children in the hopes that they're ancient Magics could win back with the armies of men had lost. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Set out into the dead lands with a sort of horse a dog at doesn't companions for years. He searched until he despaired of ever finding the children of the forest and their secret cities one by one is friends died and his horse and finally dogs. All right now. And his sword. Froze, so hard the blade snapped. When he tried to use it now later on in the series and feast for crows Sam speaking with John about other researchers looked into the long night in he brings up the last year again and says, yeah, it says in here that the last hero slayed white walkers with a blade of dragon Steeler, John goes of Larry Larry's steel, and San was like, yeah. I thought that might be it. You know, I think it's pretty clear that the last year is wrong. And I think it's pretty good that he's the it was. But there are other candidates. I agree certainly that. It's John though, I like the idea of multiple characters fulfiling this and the nature of somebody like Mallender though. Of course, she has since said that she thinks it could be John and Danny together and that her roles to unite fire. Nice. But of course, Jon is and fire ready. We talked about this a lot with Harry Potter because there's a prophecy. Right. What is a prophecy? A prophecy is the idea that your destiny has been determined for you. But what is one of the central tenets of both of these stories choice. How do you reconcile those two things will the fact that John is one of the only characters who doesn't think he's the chosen and more. Crucially Joseph wanna be important makes him best to quipped alternately, she'll fill it. Now. Could they do it together? Absolutely could their child perhaps. But John is best equipped. We should note that Danny's got some stuff going for. Or two, depending how you date the red comet. Yep. From season two and book to you could say that career emergence from funeral pyre coincided with the appearance of that bleeding star in the sky, certainly smoke from the funeral pyre and tears from Mary Masdar, ping as she burned to death. I think you could say that she goes those things and as Ayman says in the books dragons have no gender, right. And then as Zandi says in the show, which is kind of the adapted version the word for prince Valerian is genderless. Princeton Princess same word. Right. It's contextual. Interestingly in the books. Amen, originally thought radar was the Princess which ending. It was Danny radar. Crucially thought he himself was the print end. Then switched it up to his son, then well, we ate on with a large guess who's also his son, Elliot, right? John. And we don't alternately know why. Why regar- unoiled his marriage with Elia and remarried with Liana were they truly love. Yes. Elliott could not have children anymore. Right. So he needed me to produce another air because he was determined to produce the prince at least worth consideration would be one of those parents who got busted getting his kid into a top university. This is my relation versity a hundred resent. He's like listen. My son is the prisoners problem. We have to get into top top universe. Oh, man. Incredible. I've always just been really torn on this. Because on the one hand, I am most invested in John as a character. And I fully believe that he fulfils every requirement here. But I also think that one of the ideas of the story is that the prophecies are not actually meant to be interpreted the way. So the idea of John Danny fulfilling this together is is also pretty compelling. You mentioned a word in hive alarium that has maybe been mistranslated. Bob palm. We're genders concerned. It's time to talk about Vallon car, which sir. See after she hears this for Maggie, frog thinks means little brother. And maybe it does. Maybe it doesn't we're gonna get into that. Will Jamie fulfil the Vallon car prophecy by killing? Yes, I agree. And I say yes for two reasons one I really believe that that is what's going to happen and two I almost feel like you're derelict of that's not what kind of happen. And then the other thing is you noted this. So the show version of the magnified profits crucially leaves out, and when your tears of drown either von CarShield wrap his hands around your throat, and choke the life from you. Me. It's very much like a Streisand effect thing where it's like you're leaving it out because it's too telling it's just too telling. So I believe that that is what will have. Yeah. I feel the same way. Now. Again, the idea that maybe the word was interpreted incorrectly. It could just be a younger sibling, it doesn't necessarily have to be a man, you know, Danny is certainly younger sibling Arias, a younger sibling Yara younger sibling of brothers who we never met many people on the internet have fallen in love with the theory that aria, of course, on her kill us would fulfil Vallon car prophecy, wearing Jamie's face, I really hope that doesn't happen. But it could what will trigger Jamie. What will finally push him to do this? Obviously, they separated at long last in the season seven finale when sir she revealed that the whole you're on display in the dragon pit was a premeditated farce and that he was not fleeing. But in fact, going to Esso's. And we'll done I should add oh, great actor committed to his role, very Methodist or really just lives the park to get the golden company and that sorts. He had no intention of pledging her forces to the living's fight against dead, Jamie horrified. Not only that sir. She had made this decision without consulting him. But that she had made this decision at all thought. This was right in. Okay, left at last the riffs obviously had been there. Since Jamie yarn to king's landing from his imprisonment. Yes, literally says the things have changed. What's changed? Something's changed. Everything's change. When he returns from his siege in the river lands and sees that she has brought down the sept-, obviously doesn't actually leave at that point. But can't help. But realize that he's looking upon basically the exact thing that he sacrificed his reputation to try to prevent when he stopped the mad king from using wildfire lay the city, low what could happen that finally incites. This seems like the most likely thing would be something happening to Bryanne who Jamie loves their relationship is one of the purest and most essential elements of the show at this point. And if she falls at the battle of winter fell and Jamie thinks that it's because there weren't enough troops there that certainly could have actually are because of some betrayal by, sir. Yes. Or maybe she will actually send the golden company to attack of onerous force. Feels like that could be the thing that finally does it or maybe it could be something with the baby. He looked shocked when she revealed the child. Could it be your own style? After all think gets the we're going to get to the baby second here. Let's let's let's talk about the baby that's an expert. How can you be pregnant given maggie's prophecy, which spells out the three children? Now, the show has already violated the tenants of that language because in season one when he is speaking to cat after brands fall, right? She talked about this black haired beauty. I be for Shan. Robert had that died having another child would not seem to align. With the math of what Maggie set is gonna lose this baby or perhaps die in childbirth are either of those possible because that is another really upsetting thing to think about but another possible interpretation of the Vallon car. This is a younger sibling to younger silly to her other children. I kind of like the dying in childbirth angle if done creatively, but I still feel like it's gotta be Jamie. It has its two symmetric. Yeah. I think that. She is going to lose the baby. I think that if you look at the trailer really closely their shots where she looks absolutely despondent. And the only tether to humanity for and redeem as family quality has been family and her law firm children if all of her children are gone 'n. Jamie's gone. She has nothing left. She will be utterly broken. And that's when that idea of when your ears have drowned you comes into play when she is absolutely. At the bottom of this pit another line for maggie's prophecy, who's the younger more beautiful Queen destined unseat, sir. She searched the veasley she spent all our life thinking Tyrian was the Vallon car, and she spent all her life once Marjorie entered it thinking Marjorie to be fair to her look like a great candidate. She Tyrol's off the earth and blew up the steps of Baylor to eliminate that possibility. And now the most logical deduction is that it's Danny and that it has always been Danny. But he's the only person it could be Sanga could be. Yeah. What do you think? I think it's Danny. There's no need to over think. It. I agree. Yeah. Ooh. Here's an interesting one is that womb quickening is Danny really baron. She believes she is this is a kind of thing that the show has been very vague about. It's never spelled out in the show. Why she believes this though, clearly her let's estimated it like several thousands low thousands of encounters with Dario clearly did not result in child. So I think she's fair to assume that now she tells John tells giant the which you murdered. My husband told me, but we don't hear she never actually on the show. She never actually says that in the show in the books. Here's the language that Miri gives to her after Danny's like wait a second. Why is drug alike? This one is gonna come back to self Mary says when the sun rises in the west and sets in the east when the seas dry in the mountains blow in the wind like leaves when your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child, then he will return and not before. In other words, never. Now in the books. It is heavily suggested that certainly in the by the last book that her womb is begun to quicken again that wilder throw rescued her from the fighting pets. Right. She finds herself out in the great grassy and blood issuing from her quitting womb. Do we believe that she is barren in the show? Absolutely not. I agree. This is another this is another Streisand effect much like the hand around your pale white throat that they're like, okay, let's take that out 'cause it's kinda too. But then they have since introduced it by having Danny references, so many times telling John the only children all ever have. Do you understand when she's talking about her dragons, she tells Tyrian this? He brings it up to her when he's talking about the importance of thinking about the succession strategy, and what that would look like, and she's basically like you can't wait for me to be dead. Also, you're not a hero. And then she brings it up with John again in the dragon pits, and he pushes her on it. And this is the verbal equivalent of the wall existing this checkoffs. I'm barren. Right. Don't have the character question continue to say this. And then the guy she's about to fuck ask her if she sure it's true. And then look what we're learning that there. Let's see child responsible of John in that moment to be like to wrap. This thing up. This thing or what oh we good incredible power on the subject of Danny prophecies? Danny's house in the end, dying vision, much much much more complex and involved than on the show on the show Danny walking through the throne room in ruins roof. Lasted away melted. Melted. Snow falling in. We've also seen that image brands, visions. There are a couple snippets from visions that we've seen that have not come to fruition on the show yet. This is one of very very few remaining think we agree that this is the future. This is what is going to happen to the right? Keep the question now is is Danny going to bring that about with her dragons attacking sir c or is vissarion going to with the night king. Or is there more wildfire because when Jamie is listing all the locations ran in the bathtub inherent halls. He goes out of his way to mention that. There's some under the red keep is it possible that we could see a third wildfire, which I think the reason that the answer to that is no is just because the structure is largely and place. It does seem like much like we know about Herron hall, and how belted an attack from a ball the roof is gone and the snow winter falling in. I do think it's going to be the night king or something like that in the final attack. On king's landing because you know, when you think about it, like what better way to embody the idea of breaking the wheel than shattering this central structure around which the entire realm is arranged in in honestly, a very artificial way. You know, like as many appointed out what right did Egon tar Gary and have to throw none. He just had three dragons. So I think it would just be wonderful symmetry for dragons to have essentially built this kingdom and another dragon to come in and destroy it. I agree completely. I think that there's a way that that could also happen if the humans are the victors and they choose to meltdown the iron throne, but stay tuned because we're coming to that in a little while Don done quakes, you wrote about quake quake, the d- think. I think she comes back in the show time. There's just can't do. It's like shouts to my quake heads shops to my kin Vara heads. I'll tell you why we think Kim VAR came in hot. You're like, oh, this is going to be -portant, man. I got to give it a play a role and things to come convert coming in here freaking out various where she been have not seen a girl. I would love converse been off. She was electric of truth even quake never comes back into play. She fill to function with Giora specifically having us believe when he said it was such conviction never ever ever betray Danny again. And then also, obviously, there's Valeria gray scale for shadowing there with him because she's painting a man to offer him protection anyone who sales with ruins must-have production. All right. Number five. Will we get some of the promised showdowns that we have been anticipating for so long. Let's start with Mel asandra versus and not to be hyperbolic like, basically, literally everyone, so many people have debt is against her some sort of. Stated future showdown with her. Let's talk about a few of them in particular, aria, Gandhari, Davos, John and various aria, I are one hundred. I think it's a lock guarantee Gary half. Did you have to do it? Yes. This is one of those things where show gives us something so intentionally so deliberately that's not follow through on. It would be almost unthinkable wild to not do it. They've only interacted once it was of course, when Mel asandra fetched Genry for his kingly blood for the cock blood as we say. Mela? Sandra says toria, I see a darkness in you. And in that darkness is staring back Brown eyes. Blue eyes screen is is you will shut forever. We will meet again on bomb. Aria lock Gandhari. I don't think it's that important. Maybe Gandhari REO. We would assume we'll be hopefully close so they might Davos, I don't think it's going to happen. We've already seen a moment from last season where hundred intentionally avoided Davos, and John I think though, John I think the various thing. Yes. Because she there's there's a linkage there. So that's the moment. She's on the cliff. She's looking down at John and DeVos walking into dragon stone and various and her talking and she says, yeah, I'm going I'm leaving. Yes. Going back east. But I'm coming back because like you it is my destiny to die in this place. There's something that they're going to do together. I think or they're they have there's one more release. There's some other thing that they need to do. And I think that Mela, Sandra. She needs a mission. She's a. Shen person. And she really didn't have that after the death of stance was sorely doubting herself. And now, I think she understands what it is. We don't know what it is. She worked to bring John Danny together. And she's not going to be able to stay out of the fight if they are actually battling. Then I king. What if it's this? What if in order to create war, either Valerian steel or light bringer or something? She goes brings some sword back or some other thing, and then she Nisus in his life now plunged into my chest while it see that's because I don't think she in various can be United because he is so opposed to this magic. And obviously from his own mutilation has always hated magic in those who wield it. But if he got to take her out of sure he'd be up for that. Yeah. I think that she's gonna come back with like some secret that is integral to defeating the night came her dying either because she has betrayed the cause once more with her violence or because she's fulfilling some sort of a central function to. Finally, complete her mission and further her goal and the Lord of lights goal. That's that's right next clip game. We don't even to spend a lot of luck. If Allott Tomo seasons of Bali happening. He walked up to his brother and said, remember me, and basically promise that they'd meet again. So we got that great see what role the goal coming. This is interesting you go first because I have a slightly deeper perhaps in foil take on it. Okay. Well, we're being introduced to this. Sell sword. Mercenary army twenty thousand strong, we know from search e elephants and all high Strickland new character entering the fray character and the books obviously, finally going to be on the show Surti sent your onto procure golden company she intends to use this army to protect maintain her thrown what we know about golden company. They've never broken a contract. However, would we know about your on? He doesn't actually give shit about thirty or about marrying her. It's all about power for him. Build me a thousand ships, and I will give you this world that what he said to the iron islanders. He just wants to win. He wants to be in control. And if he has to take her out. He absolutely will. So who made the contract he did presumably when she sent him? So do they actually report to him? Could he use her own army to take her down the idea of against or she being caught in this web that she foolishly spun is very very very fitting to me agreed now here's my take on the goal the goal and coming in the books was founded by. A rivers and various other refugees from the first black fire rebellion civil war that was fought in west Ross against house targe area, and by the kind of bastard off-shoot house backfire they lost many of them fled east. One of them eagle river's fled with the sword of Aegon the conqueror sword named black fire. So as many of the book readers will know, a mercenary company coming as part of a storyline involving a young man who reports to be a gun targe area, and the the son of radar and Elliott Martell who was a smuggled out of the city. We were just raised in Ossios vague on Fager younger, whether or not, you know, it's like, do you believe Israel or fake? Anyway, what if they kind of combine those things, and Harry Strickland is Phil like considers himself a black fire or they're still kind of like black fire loyalist in that crew. And they have the sort of on the conquer. I think that's like a really cool. Away to complicate these things. What if they're like, oh, we've been hired to come. Finally after all these years come home to west rose to fight for the throne. Sure, we'll do it. And guess what? We'll do after that. We'll put ourselves on the throne because this is what we've been waiting for all these years. I like that a lot. I worry actually something like that can happen because it just doesn't feel like there's time to do that Justice. But that's really interesting, and whether it's something like that. Or just you're on actively betraying the idea of sir see being betrayed by it something that she thought was going to be a tool to further her own agenda feels very very fitting. I like that. That's really interesting Arias remaining kill us tits, sir. See obviously on their we already talked about the idea of the theory about her wearing Jamie's face to fulfil, the Vallon car prophecy. She doesn't need to wear anyone's face. She's just gonna find a way in. But obviously that would grant her insurance popular new theory on the internet is that she could be wearing little fingers. I kind of face of those again would be well known that he had died. Sure. But who knows who knows what how the show is treating the the sharing of information. This just go full mission impossible. If you're in spaces, and then obviously the mountain remains on her. She's not going to kill them out in the hound is what if what if she teams up with her new buddy hound and helps them out that would be right. They have that gray little chat about how they both want to kill him. You know, sin by the fire back, then I think the hounds gotta do it on his own. Yeah. Yeah. She had the hound Mel asandra Barrick Illan pain on her list at some point those characters who were still alive, and we're once on her list, but over the course, the show has removed them for one reason or another so all right. Speaking of the throne number six who wind up on it is neat. Whole hashtag for the throne marketing campaign a masterfully committed bit of misdirection we did this past thrown explainer video series where we looked at how star Castro Garin how slam Stor the field. And we ended the field video with the idea of breaking the wheel melting down that thrown, and that's when you when you mentioned, the dragons, kind of undoing the thing that they had forged. I really liked the idea and we've seen this in the promotional art thrown with the dragons is of. Dragons melting down the throne thrown being removed from the equation committing to breaking the wheel it lasts that could look like different things could be independent kingdoms. It could actually be some sort of democracy as you've talked about length many times before there's precedent for elections of some shorts exists in kind of smaller much, smaller scale basic structures, but it exists in the night's watch. And king smooth various other Daffy is like the right conclusion to me. But if there is a thrown who's on it. John in any Colt ruler or their child with some combination of like sonza Tyrian? Jamie, DAV as like the region ruling in their name until they're old enough to take it over by agree with your take and you've been on this corner for a while that the wheels gonna get broken. There's not going to be thrown after this. You don't go through all of this. And be like, okay. Let's just run back and do it. How we've been doing it all these years. There has to be systematic change in really what better time than after the slate is nearly wiped clean by this existential fo I think you're right about that. No matter what if there's a throne if there isn't who's leading and where Scott to be time for fun. Yeah. Let's run through very quickly some of our favorite shipping scenarios or some of our least favorite because those are just as applicable start with this idea of whether Tyrian. Yes. Love with Danny. Yes. He's definitely in love with the numerous conversations about how everyone falls in love with Danny one with Danny involved. One with are not involved tearing involved in all of them. Okay. That's one two. He standing there like a weirdo under the stairs watching her door as as the cries of pleasure and sound of like rocking bed frame emanate from behind the door. Now, many of said, well, he's just concerned about the political question. Now, you know, he's been advising this Queen and all of a sudden, it's more complicated because he's falling live with this guy. That's really what he's concerned about. Yeah. He can be concerned about that from his cabin. Doesn't need to stand outside the fucking door. And listen to them fuck in order to be concerned about that. Right. He also, of course, was one advocating for their alliance in the first place to convince Johnson the knees then the dragon pit when he finds out John has is like oh my God. This isn't how I wanted it to be I would've advise how'd you asked and then to search. Yes, is what I wanted. But not like this why? Because to be hasn't heard them fuck it at that point. But he wants to be in control. And the fact that this is happening between the two of them organically and not with him puppeteer is both a threat to his power. But also reveals that there's something else that play this emotion. Also spoiler not about something. We know is going to happen. But about something that Georgia's said in the past his original plan for the story great article crime on the ringer about this not only was his original intention for John and aria to fall in love. But it was for tear into fall in love with aria. And then for that to be a rift between teary and John as noted in his piece if you. Just sub in Danny's name there. Everything fits and only fit portends a rift between Tyrian and John over a girl, which look any story telling choice that they make if they do it. Well, okay, I believe that it can be handled with a plume, but I don't want that pretty lame because I want John interior to be aligned. Their relationship has been such a heartbeat of the show there. So emblematic of the cripples bastards and broken things idea to the point where it's hearing used that line all doors are bastards in their fathers is to convince John's sailed, oh dragon stone and treat with them in the first place. You know, that's been at the core of their relationship and for them to maybe be at odds because they both wanna fuck the same chick, which is really suck. I hope that doesn't happen. It's it would be pretty lame. If that happens also, leaving aside the fact that the John's parentage reveals to happen within the realm and within the story. It's a good match. John, and Danny is a great match. It makes sense. Many people would have suggested it. If it had not happened like this. Yes. So it's basically the one little fingers at Tucson season. Seven true. Yeah. It's great match be Brion tormentor Brion Jamie, which team of shippers will be happy. I hope it's nj me. Same because like torment great, dude. Love torments in incr- like five steps down for. She's like, I love torment. But she's better than that. As we said on the last pod, we cannot wait for torment and Jamie to meet because of their shared affection for brand whether we actually get something physical. I don't think so I will say no, I just want brand Jamie to be together. It's just like very it's just like a very deep emotional relationship already. All that groundwork exists Brandon torment. It's like it's just torn leering at pre-and, there's actually no relationship. There's no anything. Right. You do know Brienne and Jamie have shared. Yes. Transformative experience. Yes. On their lives next aria gantry ship it hard. I think it has. Gandhari once said that, you know, the lady makes that steel sing Elliott. I wanted to make our ES thing too. I think injury Hendrie lives in pound town. Pound in that steal his whole life. Boy, it is going to be tough. If he has to tell aria that he fucked, Melissa. Never been with a woman. Yeah. Again, I just think it's one of those things. That's like they barely fucked. If you watch it again, and I have they really barely fuck. I don't even think it goes in. No, she wide him for two seconds, then jumps off and puts the leeches on it goes in. But there's no completion. Like could you call that sex? It's like she she gets on him. There's just. Szekely just tip she jumps on its pumps. And then she drops the leeches not like it's sex in the most basic definition of the term. But it's not in any way satisfying or anything that you would need to like really talk about in terms skin that staggered for a little while they're again, he was version which is ridiculous. So I hope that that cannot wait for our against you to be reunited, obviously for oriented tap back into here her humanity. One of our favorite exchanges was south final together. The final scene is his capture, but their farewell which comes before that when he slaves that he's going to stay with the brotherhood because they're a family, and she says, I could be a family agonizing next. We'll remember he has a wife. No. Who's gonna wind up with six God pods? Rod, I pod and sonza Jesus. I think they'd be great together. Though. I also a lot of people out. There are very very invested in the sonza Tyrian reunion. And maybe this is one way that Tyrian can stop obsessing over Danny sons Aotearoa, leaving aside, whatever their emotions are about it. I think it makes sense vis-a-vis bringing peace to the realm. You just say, hey, you guys got to do this. And whatever you do on the side is your own business. But I think you have to do this for the quote, unquote. But see I don't think they'd act can happen again. Because of course, their first marriage was both of them being forced into it. And that doesn't feel like proper resolution for their arcs to be bullied into a matching with a thing. Why I I don't know if they even be bullied into it. I think signs would be like, oh, you mean, my kids will rule the north and the Westlands I like it. You don't think Robin Aaron has a chance of sons that's another good one. And I think that the thing is she. Doesn't have to marry him to have like pretty good influence over his actions already. Peter's gone, the yes, she would just be stepping into the little finger all simultaneously fitting and slightly tariff. So I think you can really lay out a roadmap where signs his has a path to being one of the most powerful people in the realm. Unofficially and officially interesting. Yeah. I still think shampoo should hook up. I like that too. Because like pod would clearly be the junior member of that relationship. And I think that sign's kind of she needs that she's Napa. Yeah. She's an alpha are Missy in the worm doomed. Yes. I mean, they kissing the they're both gonna die or just great great early. Missy late. Gray worms falling winter fell. I think Missy might make it I like I like Missy to make it. She's always close to Danny. You know is Danny. I don't think she dies in battle. Will she be alive at the end of the show? Maybe I'm saying that like Danny doesn't die in battle. Correct. She's aren't gonna die on the battlefield with. I don't know. I just don't see it and MRIs always next her. So I think that Missy is a good shot. I'm not saying she lives. But I think she has a good shot to make it to the end my new grey worm. I think are if I am past episode three four I will be shocked. Yeah. I think we say goodbye to him in the battle fell brawn no sign of Braun in any season, eight promotional material keeps asking for his girl keeps asking for his castle promise better always in contract negotiations. And it's never he's always making demands. And is always getting shined on you. Gotta get it in writing my guy. I don't think he does. I mean. It's like a little late in the game. Now, there's so much to do to get it all we have to do is defeat the night king. And after that. Sir. See in the golden company with whatever ragtag army. We have left. I think it's long shot if he's alive at the end of this, which again, I doubt if he doesn't get it. I mean, just going to killing spree at that point. He feels like a survivor to me I feel like people like Braun hot pie. They're gonna last. I hope he gets his castle. I wished hanging were still around. Up. Finally, we'll you're on sticky fingers is wild that hasn't happened where we see it happen. I don't think I don't think we'll see it happen. But it's I think it's happened. I think he did it. Well, we're forgetting the best ship of all Kevin guy in the hand that has happened to. Earned it. So is he gonna get another one? Keep. From research this. To some principals. It's on at joss strength grip. What if the mirror to Taiwian entering king's landing and sacking the city because they thought it was a friend is getting in the night kings forces just so that he can use Django gotta say one thing that I think no one's expecting that. I don't know how they would do in. It sounds stupid to even say it out loud. But I wouldn't put a passer see her trying to cut a deal at the night king. I'm not saying he'd be amenable or even that it would work, but I could see her exploring it going. Is there something that he wants that? We can do. I mean that would be the height of her ARGUS the Coleman nation of her entire it would be very much off to be very much in line with her character to try that do you think the night king likes Dorna shreds? I don't know what's hot eating or drinking. While France previews are a ladder. That's what we keep telling is going Kramar, indispensable producer and researcher. We hope that you had as much fun as we did today that you're as excited as we are for the season eight premiere and to continue this journey with us in the join us again next week for our episode on the season premiere reminder, please join us live on Twitter on Sunday night for top thrones till then remember season. Eight is coming. One team. Doing here. Well. Very concerned about the political situation as you can see that's all thinking Hughley about political implications. Chris nothing more than that. Which is why I'm standing here. Under the stairs. Normal place to stand just consider the purely political. That's.

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