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July 25, 2019: Joel Quenneville

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27:48 min | 2 years ago

July 25, 2019: Joel Quenneville

"Coaches are always on time. Coach always punctual Elliott our summer series of podcasts continues. This is thirty one thoughts brought to you by the next generation G._M._C. Sierra Dinelli and in moments we will welcome aboard Joel Quenneville the head head coach of the Florida Panthers one of you can say that we're trying to wrap up the career but one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game true or false true. How many guys have three cups is been remarkable? Joel Joinville joins US on thirty one thoughts to podcast now Joel this summer series of podcasts. How're you enjoying your summer and I'm guessing you're smiling a little bit deeper and maybe richer after seeing what you're G._M.? Did around free agency. We had a great couple of days. When I say that <hes> going into it we had <hes> you know? Seven or eight days. Visiting with the players talked a lot of guys in that process and <hes> we felt we really helped their team in all the areas would look a new improved. I think obviously <hes> getting Sergei and then that was is a very vital for what we need and then getting Anton Strommen we feel we've got improve our back in got <hes> connolly can score some goals. <hes> had a good year last year. Hopefully you can keep improving at that rate then we got a kind of tracking type of center because awesome energy and no cherry so I think that all of a sudden you look when you're making up lines now. You got a little balance a little bit more depth. You got more options than an area needed improvement so is in which Roberto retiring <hes> obviously it was a major the whole we had to fix and then Sergei coming in there was a perfect need fit and Anton helps stabilize the back in Joel View like the meeting period that week. I guess some people hate it. Some people love it. Where do you stand on that well? It's it's all new. It's all new and being a part of it was different. <hes> got the visit with some players. <hes> you know you get an understanding where they're at what they're looking for. One thing that was unique is almost like everybody was <hes> would looking forward to coming in south Florida. which was you know maybe in the past was there could have been hesitation but there's a lot of Nice things about <hes> where we're at as a team and organization on a nice job of building with some of these young guys in the cornerstone of the team game in franchise the upside Israel? I think people think that it's <hes> you got a chance to win down there. Obviously there's some nice perks of living in Florida with the climate or something different <hes> than certain markets as well <hes> looking forward to that newness as well you know I think we're at a stage where you know we feel as a team. We gotta take the next step. You know you watch your team play last year last couple of years as a pretty good hockey team in a lot of ways almost every single hockey game law some tough Games <hes> critical points that could've made a difference difference getting in the playoffs. We feel less a team. Make some improvements in certain areas obviously special teams was one of the strengths last year we need to find a way to keep the puck out of our net as a group and I think they'll try to reinforce the beginning of the year because kind of comparable when I think of the teams we had in Chicago we had teams. We never had to worry about scoring goals. I think this team can score goals as well. Let's make sure we prioritize how we defended. What was the best question anyone ask you about playing for you? I think everybody wants to know where they're gonNA. Play Kinda like the quality of the ice time for the quantity of ice time. I think that <hes> everybody looks for kind of a reassurance in that area. I know that when you go into a season you know I think you're the guys that <hes> that are coming into the program. Obviously you're gonNA give them that chance to play their strengths and that opportunity goes as overtime you you know then you gotta make decisions based on <hes> progressing Eh performances and then allocate ice time based on that that's kind of how we always operated but certainly I think guys like to know that <hes> give me an idea where we're GONNA fit who my likely linemates or who <hes> potentially I'm GonNa get the play within the opportunity to play <hes> you know you can promise special teams but I think that's an type of thing and we'd like to reward guys based on performance more than something said offseason so come to earn your type of quality or quantity ways Joe because your job was of course Chicago and your general manager Del Talent of course <hes> came from Chicago with the Blackhawks as well. We'll always be looking for similarities between the Florida Panthers and the Chicago Blackhawks and the one that jumps right out at me. Can you tell us in your own words similarities between Jonathan Teves and Alexander Bark off well. They're both two hundred foot players. They're both very competitive. They're very focused. <hes> I mean it's all about hockey. It's all about how they can be the best they can be. They're all about making people around the better lead by example than the way they prepare themselves. It's all about winning. Janis proven that he's gotten to the next level. We need burkey not to be the next guy to <hes> to get in the playoffs and play meaningful games and as we're going <hes> you know that's where we're looking for him to <hes> to pull that <hes> guys along with them probably not as vocalist Johnny <hes> but you know I think you gotta be yourself. That's basically what make leaders be. The best leaders they can be as be themselves and makes people around the better. You Know Joe when you got to Chicago and you took over those were still guys on their rookie deals. A lot of the guys you have in Florida. <music> are on their second deals but I'm wondering do you see much comparison between you know the young players that you're getting now and the young players that you had then you know. I think that I'm going to say the overall depth might have been deeper burn Chicago when we're there and that's why there's some of the the players who batted here. I think help <hes> extended the depth in our lineup and I thought that haven't four lines was important for us <hes> important for success and some nights you you know you couldn't in cal- which was our first second third line a lot of nights. I think that was one of the strength of our teams <hes> back in early days and I think that if we can build the lineup with all of a sudden we're a little bit more unpredictable deeper in our lineup offensively and defensively that can really really help us and I think that's a lot of nights <hes> when you get deeper and apply fronts a lot of times says the teams that are lines that <hes> jump out and and all of a sudden there's going to be goal and making a difference to winning games winning series as well so I think that's something that we're looking to WHO <hes> improve upon but I still think our young guys got a lot of growth in their game and I think planning away to playing meaningful games for them but it's going to be fun for their careers and find it what while for we can go with. You know. You're obviously coaching in another conference. And stand in play them very often but when you were with Chicago what are your thoughts on the panthers they would give us some nights. We had some. I mean we had some tough nights in that building <hes> they they'd be decisive. Lopsided scores a couple of times <music>. I always thought they had a dangerous team quicker. They had a lot of skill in their lineup and I think that's how we see it right now. I think that <hes> improving on our defensive part of our game within with a focus that <hes> playing without without the PUCK is important to playing with it is something that <hes> we'll have the puck a lot more with emphasis on that area but I think it's a team especially last couple years. It's a team that looks like their playoff capable and what we saw this year or playoffs in anything can happen especially when you're in a minute top division that we are you know there's no easy matchups but <hes> they gotta beat the best. If you WANNA win it anyways so that's kind of where we're going to be at <hes> in trying to achieve that when Chicago I'm going to Florida though in addition to tough games that you get any good deals at the mall across street. <hes> you know what I hadn't been there before that was at town the other day but it's pretty convenient next the rank. Yes it is. I want to ask you vote for Borowski Specifically Jeff. We're talking that there was a time this year where we all wondered you know what why it happened and you know was was he not going to be the goalie and get the big free agent contract that we all thought he was gonna get because he didn't look right and then after that first period in the playoffs against Tampa Bay when he got it off the Matt and rediscovered his game it was like the switch went back on and he was dynamite and I just wondered you know watching as you got a chance to this year. was there a point where you looked at him and said you know what he might not potentially be an answer for a team in the future. Well we know the importance of goaltending and when you look at <hes> different goalies I think he's cut the capability winning games outright. He's very R._e._I.. Athletic he's probably hardest working guy on every team. He's been on very thorough and how prepares these as one of those guys that <hes> as always looking at enhance his game <hes> we'll student of the game not <hes> like your traditional goaltender all ten but he really does have a schedule on how to prepare during the off-season that second to none. I believe that <hes> in the right environment <hes> how we play around them in compliment <hes> his game but he is a very active goalie and his athleticism is amazing as well so we're going to do everything that can we know goalies have stretches where they're going to be. You know anybody in the game can have some stretches all of a sudden. We've got to recapture the confidence and I think that's all part of goaltending is over the course Susan that he's been through a couple. You know he's had a couple of years that we know he's capable of be as good as anybody we wanna make sure that he's comfortable confident and himself in the net and try to play that way in front of them. I think he's one of those guys exude. Confidence the players in front of them and that's an area where we got to get better as well. You know you're a bluff shot defenseman going back to the Windsor Spitfires in the Mid Seventies. You've seen a lot of defensemen come and go. You've played <hes> with against legends. You've coached some world-class defenseman specifically in Chicago. I'm curious Joel from your point of view in two thousand nineteen. What do you want defensemen to do? What's a two thousand nineteen defenseman do in the N._H._l.? H._R. Right now I love defenseman active in the attack like defenseman that are active in the offensive zone within without the PUCK. I like defensemen that are really comfortable with their positioning the point yup it's his own <hes> Kinda like the way Saint Louis did nobody had more patients holden offensive line than they did so we wanna get strong in that area. The gap starts right there that offensive zone contest all the lines as coming up ice and then as a group of five at our own end. We WanNa make sure that is way more predictability predictability. You know we WANNA make sure we go to people quick. We want good sticks. We went good positioning. It'd be hard to play against you know so I think all the things that <hes> you always want from your defense men and I really hasn't changed how we want her defense the play <hes> but that's the game name and and I think that the game we wanna play as the PUCK and founding is important as well but <hes> keeping it as part of it <hes>. Let's make sure that <hes> when we don't have it. Let's check to get it back quickly and I think all our D. should be looking looking to do that in all three zones and I think that <hes> little mobility a little balance on all the pairs as well as something that you look for so that's what we're envisioning <hes> or defense look like but we know that's gotta be an an approved area and not just from the defense complementing that end we need all the poets help out dovetailing that question draw which defenseman then on your Blue Line can still give more in your estimation which defenseman shoe we expect more from this coming season. I think everyone you know look at young guys Aki and Madison <hes> any both guys are young guys that have a lot of upside. You know they've got some great skill. They had a lot of good things with the PUCK. I think that <hes> you know offensively and the offensive zone Sunday. They got some good imagination as well. We can be better off the Russia's defensive group we can be better with our gap. I think in their own end. I think that's the whole Larry where we want to get better. At then I think an anti stroman coming in he's one of those guys reliable experienced defense minute get stabilized and take some minutes up and help match ups as well. You know yeah just igniter. Offensively has <hes> thought he had a tremendous year last year. You know put a more play right up there on top of the League <hes> we like what he brings. <hes> you know we got weaker Pacific Brown. Some guys can play but as a group I think that everybody we should be expecting more from one another and not be satisfied with what happened last year because we know that defense wins and and we all need eight to absorb some some more of the ownership than leadership in the team and I think the strong back in more consistent one is what we're we're going to strive to Joyce wanted to get back into the year you know after the change was made in Chicago. You could have come right back in I mean it's no secret that teams wanted you. You decided to take some time in spend some time with your family. What was the rest of the year? Like how much talking did you watch you know. What kinds of things did you do like what maybe did you get a chance to do? Do Your family hockey coach rarely can do during the season. We've got to spend in Colorado over Christmas time we got to spend time with the family up there and that some skiing that the visit our daughter in Australia few weeks there as well and then got away a little bit from the game and get to watch and then later on you know. I don't think there was a lot of opportunity then that was you know it's fine to <hes> take the year off and and we're watching some teams play down the stretch is where we're at you know and and I feel like watching horseracing as go along the off-season or season and <hes> so that's part of that's we keep busy in that area like we're we're mostly at the end of the back in Chicago Dog Oh and <hes> but we're we're certainly excited about going down there <hes> nice climate and looking forward to <hes> you know planning away to have a successful team here in south Florida. You do know that everybody was joking. You pick the panthers because the race track doc right near the team always having been there yet opening day at Saratoga today. I'm just curious after after just some time time. Do you think they'll be anything different about you. Do you think you're coaching will change it. All just the fact that you got some rest and got a chance to recharge. Is there anything different of a jolt Glenn while you gotTa be yourself you gotTa be you. I think that <hes> one something like our teams would like to play a comparable game with like the pressure to park. We like you know play <hes> an offensive game and then when we don't have the PUCK WE WANNA make sure there's a reason our check it so that's me you know we wanna make sure that we're playing fast and as simple as possible. Possible is basically our regular approach and so I think that's where we're at. WE WANNA encourage everybody to be a part of leadership group and you know let's take <hes> pride and where we're at. Let's take the next step as a group here job. I want to put you in the way back machine here here for a couple of moments because I don't know that I've ever seen another team in the N._H._l.. Produce More N._H._l.. Coaches than your Hartford whalers between yourself and dave tip it and Kevin Dineen and John Anderson and go all down the line to the off Samuelsson's and the late mark reads and randy lot a sore and right. There are so many coaches that came from that Hartford. Do you have any explanation Joel why that squad was able to produce so many bench bosses and assistant coaches coaches in the N._H._l.. I you know it's amazing. You know you figure it out. Leaking wanted on almost every single guy you know I think we look back in the day you know it's testament to Jack Evans what he brought us all and <hes> you know we had some guys is that <hes> I think a guy like hippy was a student of the game hard worker found a way to get things done in the penalty killing side. You Know Ronnie was Guy Smart Player. <hes> was you know cerebal type guy. Hey everybody else was different. Kevin hard worker all kind of a pain mice myself. <hes> you know ordinary defenseman so everybody was kind of a different player in <hes> you know so it was there's no explanation other than back in the day. We you know you know you had to get a job when you're playing that we I've been fortunate to <hes> you know cliff gave me a great start with Toronto and there are limitation in Newfoundland and appreciate him great pool ever since I've been lucky with beings with some really good teams some great organizations over the past but <hes> to say exactly why I don't know but every you know we back in the day we didn't make a lot of money and you know these guys today to different pay scale but our group <hes> you know stayed in the business and today's the day there's a lot more opportunities because there's so many more jobs available racking did was many but you know we're fortunate to to be a part of it and then we all are as go along here we bowl remained friends and and in <hes> wise as well connected as well Stan touch well then perhaps in the obvious follow up because there is an example in Florida who of the current players that you've either coached or our boat to coach in Florida could did you see coaching in the N._H._l.. Oh I can't wait to find out if I'm looking forward to seeing these guys that <hes> you know you're playing notable players quickly and I think that everybody has a unique quality about them. You know and I think that <hes> certain is that <hes> the whether the most competitive guy or the way they think the game of the approach the game so it's a new group for me and the forecast anything right now it'd be way too premature but it won't take on to last ones for me number one. There's gotta be someone from all those players you play within Hartford that you look at and say I cannot believe that guy ended up being a coach. Who is that guy? They'd probably save me. I weigh <hes> you know. I think that <hes> off that team cabinet. I probably once guys that we're going to say okay here. We are and we're working together for a long time there in Chicago and Nice to see him moving on and then and then we have <hes> I mean there's so many guys every one of them peewee being broadcast. It'll be so fitting and the last one I have Joel. Is You hit the ultimate. You won three cups in Chicago and the thing that I wonder is the most fun you have working in this business as seen people when the Stanley Cup and Saint Louis this year and you have a connection to Saint Louis after everything they'd been through it was a franchise seeing them Wayne in that city celebrate. What's the best thing about winning two Joel Quenneville the best part about winning the COP is trying to win the Cup and <hes> I think that Eh each and every round you get a different tests that different challenge you get different answers from your team and I rode and that memory each and every round to finally capturing the Cup this to me the best part about it and the rollercoaster of the highs and lows after recapturing <hes> whether it was a great play or signature block shot or whether it was a big hit or big save you know those are the things you remember most and I and making the most proud of being a part of something special but everybody has their moments over course by playoff run that were they important piece of the team success and I think that's one of the things that made it special in Chicago? We would have each. Each and every one of the cups there it was almost somebody different would pop in a key play or something was memorable but the most thing with the thing that was that stood out over at the time of our top players deeper and series made a big impact on the the outcome. I'm one of the great visuals and lasting moments from one of Your Cup runs was Brent Seabrook Calming Down Jonathan Taves in the penalty box from coaches point of view open three or mind when you saw that well. I was happy that it happened because I didn't get a chance to get a hold of Johnny. He's got we didn't get to the bench before he got this other two penalties but it shows leadership but shows familiarity with the player and put them in the right place acis whereas where he needed to be at that moment and then Janis fines and emotionally emotional guy but he best leader. I've been around in that regard so he's <hes> you know the privilege to have not situation seeds commend him <hes> <hes> and how his leadership is on the team probably the most local guy in the leadership department on the team completely honest. I was sick and tired every time you know oh he's a great player on the vessel told him that he's got something to stop thinking about everything doing right. Stop Point vote not scoring goals. He's GONNA goals from the big part of our team when he's gone. We have a chance to win. You know as well as catering chirp. Youth Awesome Dixie has to be on it's GonNa be playing great into it wasn't a poet total things in terms of wasn't involved leadership that he brings just thought the new Easter on goals and there was a big huge. I call the boys so recognition by him and <hes> you know going on in the coming back in that series was obviously huge. Come back and in some critical moments but that was one of them even part of some big moments yourself and some Big Stanley Cup win some big victories and some great moments in the N._H._l.. We wish you more with the Florida. Panthers enjoy the rest of your off season and we'll talk to you. Oh yes Elliott has one more thing. I just want to say while we were finishing this. I was looking up. I've got blurred line the number three horse five to one in race in Saratoga. Thank you for the tip okay. They're gonNA wind okay okay. Thanks thanks for doing this all the best next season all right. Thanks guys okay so thank you Joel Quenneville of the Florida Panthers Their head coach The reason I asked the coaching questions because Dirk Mackenzie is now made that transition from on the ice rape behind behind the bench and I'm always curious about that would elliott and it's so hard to pick out especially not knowing the players know not knowing all of them personally what their ambitions are with they can afford to to take the salary decrease but always cures of which players would make make the best coaches and listen Joe Mentions it and quite rightly even though he jokes about it. I don't know that anyone was thinking that when Joel Quenneville was planning that he was going to turn into not just a coach but a coach at the ultimate successful level well in the best ever the one thing I'll disagree about as I remember when he played in Toronto. We got traded to Colorado. Lanny McDonald deal is that I remember as a kid reading at the time they people talked about him being coach on the ice so I think there were people who saw him in that way as for the second part of your question whoever knows who's going to win the Stanley Cup right. I mean there. It's so hard to win. We've talked about this at length. Craig Baru Bay was on nobody's favourite list to get another chance needed. A phenomenal job was a major reason that they won the Stanley Cup and I think people always believed that he had that ability to be a coach but you know he was a big driver in that Chicago Team I love there's that one clip of him coming off the I sleeping great win. I love that because that's not the Joel Quenneville you see a lot. He is even in the interview he tends to be very straightforward unless you can ask a question that gets them on the other way. He's an all business guy and at least publicly clean and I'd like to see him drop that a bit to see what he was like after that big win. I love that clip for my money not sure about yours. Nobody behind the bench has a better death. Stare then Joel Quenneville advil like we've all seen animated JOL ALCEE NAP behind the bench. I really enjoy seeing seething Joel now. Babcock's got a really good deaths there to SOS Baruba Sodas Baru Bay but from my money no one does the deaths they're better than Joel Quenneville because you can just feel anywheres at facially how much he seething inside and whether it's a play or call or whatever no one does remember Vince McMahon would always say a you make your money with your face. You always wrestles at you. Make your money with your expressions to me the joke winnable expression on the Bench Picasso ocular. I'm not gonNA disagree with you. There at all Awkward Thought on the Florida Panthers for next season. I look last couple years. New Year's Day we knew was Tampa Boston Toronto rate. It's going to be different this year. They're going to threaten somebody there absolutely going to threaten somebody and you know I don't think Detroit's Troy it's ready and I'm not sure Buffalo's ready you know I don't know where a lot of those other challenges Ottawa's rebuilding Montreal's going to be a really interesting one. That's you know much Florida the two teams that are coming to really knock out that trio and I think Florida's going to be a force. They're gonNA scare some people we think Joel Glenville for stopping by the summer series of podcast and we think Thomas Trance for hooking up with us with the Florida Panthers <hes> thanks for joining us on thirty one thoughts the podcast hope you're enjoying knowing your summers. Stop Thinking about hockey. Do something go through something. One here a good Scotty Bowman story okay so we'll act into this was working with Willie this week and he must have got it from his dad so Scotty Bowman when the haves are on the road and he wanted to catch catch guys breaking curfew. One of his tricks was what he would give the Doorman at the hotel a Montreal Canadian's Jersey and he said look. I'll give you another Jersey but for this one any of my team come in after.

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Joel Quenneville era ends

Hockey Today

25:06 min | 2 years ago

Joel Quenneville era ends

"The. Gained misconduct podcast with Don la- Greco and welcome to the Tuesday vision of games conduct. I am Dom Greco. Well, the news really shocked the NHL world that you'll Quin Ville, let go by the Chicago Blackhawks today surprising, just the timing of it. This was rumored going back to last year. Blackhawks were not going to the playoffs. There was a lot of conversation that the Bowman Quin Ville there was a bit of a power struggle there and the Quin Ville was eventually going to lose. And then it was announced that he was going to come back for another season. And Blackhawks got off to a pretty decent start. Now. They're backed NHL five hundred and the plug was pulled on Quinn Ville, there's a couple of different things here. All right. Joel Quenneville has been here for a long time, so won three Stanley Cups. So you figure he should be able to deserve to have a better exit being fired a month into the season. But the other end of it you're looking to get younger you're looking to get in a bit of a rebuild. I think the plaque. Hawks have to take a look this Western Conference in their own division. Then realize are they Nashville are they Winnipeg are they even Saint Louis at this particular point are they Minnesota. And even though you've got caned, you've got tapes. You got Seabrook. You got Keith do you have a Stanley Cup caliber team? And if the answer is no, and you're gonna start to gently go into that good night where it's going to be a rebuild. Do you? Then decide maybe it's best to go with a younger coach and kind of start over when you have a Joel Quenneville is your head coach what you're implying is this is an individual that can lead us to the promised land is it necessarily a guy that is going to help us in a rebuild. Or is he going to try to win every game that he can is you're gonna try to lean on the veteran players the guy they got some good young players on this team and they're starting to make the transfer. But as Joel Quenneville the right guy so as much as. You've got Jeremy Colin ten. He's thirty three years old. He's half the age of Joel Quenneville. Maybe it just a case of we're gonna rebuild. We want to go with a younger guy. It's still awkward though, to let someone go that helped you win three Stanley Cups, especially when they won that Cup in two thousand ten it was their first Stanley Cup since nineteen sixty one. So it just seems odd that maybe one of the greatest coaches that we've seen in this generation one of the greatest coaches in the history of the Blackhawks organization gets fired instead of being able to carve out his own exit strategy is MC fire before in Saint Louis in Colorado. I would believe you'll be working again if he chooses to work again, he is the second winningest coach in NHL history. Ironically behind Scotty Bowman who son is the general manager of the let him go. And you also wonder what the dynamic is there when you have a general manager whose father is the greatest coach in the history of the sport how much to Scotty play into this whole thing. But you can look at it on the surf. Office and say go the younger guy, it's time for the Chicago Blackhawks to give up on running after another Cup and start making the transition to the younger players, and maybe a younger coach is the direction that you need to go. Now, we'll see if this is just temporary. Will they go after an Elaine Vignolle? But but to me if you go with Elaine VIN, yo, then you might as well just stuck with Joel Quenneville because Elaine video was a guy that you plug in. When you believe that you need another step towards the Stanley Cup. I I think the Blackhawks are reviewing things and saying this is not a team that can win a Stanley Cup because this division to tough this conference is too tough. Eventually, the San Jose Sharks are going to figure it out. They are a Cup. Contender clearly Nashville in Winnipeg our Cup contenders. Minnesota is starting to look like a very good team. So you look at that Western Conference and you ask yourself Ken, Chicago compete. Do. They have the goaltending in Crawford who's been hurt who has not played particularly. Well, so the time. Timing is strange because all of this could have been done during the summer, and the transition could be made a lot easier or whether it was just let's get it. One more kick at the can. But then you start to see you know, what Nashville's for real Winnipeg's for real there. Everybody's good as they were last year. We got off to a nice start six six and three isn't gonna cut it tapes playing much better than he did last year, but it's not resulting necessarily and wins. So. Interesting ten years. Remember he replaced. Denny savard. Back October sixteenth of two thousand and eight. So ten years later, three Stanley Cups later Joel Quenneville villes out of a job. I hope he lands at other job. He deserves to land another job which much like, Elaine van. Yo it's going to be a team that feels there are coach away from Stanley Cup. Clearly, Chicago did not think that so big news today. Second coach gets fired. We went all of last year. Elaine vigneault got fired the last game of the ranger season on the last day of what was supposed to be the regular season that Saturday lashed you remember? There was an extension to the season when the Bruins and the and the Panthers had the play that makeup game on Sunday. So technically lane video was fired in season. But pretty much was after the season. We went a whole year without anybody getting fired and all of a sudden in the same week John Stevens gone in Los Angeles, Joel Quenneville gone in Chicago Stevens. Not nearly the surprise the Quin Ville is. So obviously, Chicago moving in a different direction. All right games last night. The other big story which would have been the lead before we found about Quinn. Ville being relieved of his duties what happened in Pittsburgh great night for Brian Boyle. And of course, I got to know Brian when he was in New York ranger could not be nicer. All right. We were up in Montreal my wife, and I and I was calling arranger Canadians game. And I brought my wife because he loves Montreal. And she got to meet Brian and they hit it off. And he of course, had child not too long after that Declan who had some health issues of his own. Of course, Brian Boyle diagnosed with leukemia, Mr. an early portion of last season, he it's announced last week that it's in remission. He's playing a game in Pittsburgh last night. It's hockey fights cancer night in Pittsburgh, and what is Brian Poile? Do he records his first ever NHL hatrick? Just an amazing story as Brian Boyle deserves all the things that are happening to them right now. He a great guy. He's a great leader. And he's a real nice fit for the New Jersey Devils, so that was a very special story last night of all. Things hockey fights cancer in Pittsburgh and of all people a cancer survivor getting's first National Hockey League Patrick's. Congratulations to Brian Boyle devil, snap a three game losing streak. Now. What's up with Pittsburgh, four straight losses for them? Now there were never in this game. They really weren't. Just not getting a lot of opportunities not cashing in on the power play. I mean, it sounds simplistic. But you know, when you look at kessel you look at. Malcolm and Crosby certainly those guys can carry a team and we've seen them carry it team. They're going to have to start getting contributions from other people. They really are. And they're going to have to defend a little bit better two so four straight losses for Pittsburgh. A nice win for New Jersey to snap. Their three game losing streak Canadians continue to March forward bouncing back after the loss of Tampa over the weekend. Now, eight four and two they come back from three one down to beat the islanders four to three. So the elders now points in seven consecutive games. But their five game winning streak comes to an end. Just there was nobody scoring the big lines. Couldn't do anything Zeke is had a couple of goals for the islanders. But Montreal just kept pushing and pushing and even up three one the is just were not playing. Well, Montreal just wasn't getting the breaks. They hit a couple of posts. But eventually they find the back of the net. This cocking Yemi who was the third overall pick in the NHL draft back a last June continues to contribute as he assisted on the game tying goal midway. Way through the third period. Domi gets another goal is eighth of the year. So he has been tremendous. Do you realize max Domi the last two years in Arizona had nine goals in each of those seasons? So eighteen goals combined in two seasons with the coyotes so far with Montreal he's already gotten eight. So he has been a major contributor to Montreal's been able to do the Canadians will be here at the garden coming up later on today for the second of back to backs Bruins with a two one victory over the Dallas Stars in overtime. As Boston continues to roll along pasternack gets his twelve of the year. Brad Marchand wins the game in overtime with just thirty one seconds to go in the extra session capitals over the Oilers four to two it's amazing to me that whenever mcdavid takes on. You know Crosby Crosby's scores. He takes on Ovechkin Ovechkin scores. Ovechkin scores is eleventh goal was a power play goal as he now climbed over Marcel Dionne for power play goals. Now, he is tied with the on eighth-place over. Hall in power play goals, which is just amazing mcdavid scores again as he now has ten goals on the season. But Washington trying to warm up here after coming back from the road trip quite average now six four and three after the victory over the Evanston Oilers and Philadelphia's now got points in all of their west coast games. They did lose to Los Angeles. But they had the victory that did lose to San Jose, excuse me in overtime. But they do get a point in that game. And they beat the coyotes five to two in Arizona, and they really did a good job as far as getting giroux on the board. He had a couple of goals second goal of the year for Shane Goss, despair. So nice victory for the Philadelphia. Flyers in Arizona as the flyers get back to NHL five hundred seven seven and one. All right Slough games tonight Maple Leafs in the Golden Knights in Toronto Golden Knights still under five hundred six seven and one Toronto coming off that win over Pittsburgh over the weekend shutting them out as they continue to play without Austin Matthews. Rangers in the Canadians at the garden. Rangers winners of three straight games. They've got a chance to go over NHL five hundred tonight with a victory expert Kari price to be between the pipes for the rain for the Canadians after the EMMY played in Brooklyn last night, blue jackets, trying to get going. They're going to take advantage of the stars playing in the second of back to backs as the blue jackets seven six in one stars eight five and one devils trying to see if they can make a tuna roll against the Ottawa Senators team the last time the sends played with Saturday when were ran out of buffalo nine to to conducts and the Red Wings conducts continue to play. Well, as Pederson is really taking a grasp. Now, the colder trophy nine six zero Red Wings coming off a win over the devils therefore eight and two that game will be at seven thirty Oilers second back to back take on the Tampa Bay Lightning lightning again off to a tremendous start attend three and one and we'll see if the presence of mcdavid will bring the best out of kucherov and stamkos in that game. A hurricanes back to five hundred. Now, they'll be in Saint Louis to take on the blues kings first game after the firing of John Stevens will lead to jarred. And now with first game is coach will take on the ducks that rivalry in southern California, and the wild continuous they hot against the shark this great late game, San Jose against the wild wild have been red hot playing very well as of late, I believe points in in seven of their last eight games. So good job outta Minnesota. And a good test for them against the San Jose team that did win and overtime on Saturday over the Philadelphia Flyers. Let's hear from you at download brecca hashtag game as conduct and Bill Higgins gets a start at any word on how Rick Nash is doing with Rangers consider him if close to a playoff spot later in the season, of course, he chose to wait because of the concussion situations and just overall just trying to reset his body after banging around with the Rangers over the last couple of years and a lot of physical ailments the knee problems with the hip problems with this concussion situation. So Rick Nash wants to place sometime after. January. It's a consideration of the Rangers continue to struggle to score goals. I know this team is in a rebuild. But certainly the the team wants to make sure that they have a chance to win games. So that could be a consideration. I think there will be a place Rick Nash summer in the NHL with how'd and being day today for the Rangers Leah's Anderson's been called up. So we'll get a chance to see him. So the Rangers continue to look more at the youth movement. But we get into the second half of the season. And this team thinks they can make the playoffs, and they wanna contributed like, Rick Nash wouldn't rule that possibility out of the money's right? Don L says, hey, Dan. You gotta congratulate boil scoring a hat trick for the devils against the penguins last night in a much needed win for them and for the islanders. It was a bad loss blowing a two goal lead to the Canadians will they ever recover. Yes. You'll recover. The problem is Don L is that they blew it two goal lead. But even up three one they just weren't playing. Well, so maybe that's just a bad match up with them. I can't kill the islanders. They played five consecutive wins points now in seven straight. Game. So I think they clearly can recover SB official says original six of the garden tonight. Anderson called up how much time do you think? He'll get. It's a great question. Trying to get some news out of the morning skate on who he's got a chance to play with tonight. That would probably tell me how much time he's looking to get, you know, just looking at the preliminary here it looks like he's going to center the fourth line. So by centering the fourth line, you're probably looking at any more than eight to ten minutes. He's going to be playing between MacLeod and lottery. So that could change certainly doesn't mean that he's going to be stuck on the fourth line the whole night. But I would think is first NHL game playing with the guys. He's going to be playing with eight to ten minutes is probably what you're looking at Frank says. Okay. So now, I won't question. Your hawks rebuilding comments. What the hell are they doing? Don. What's the real reason for what happened and not being changed over the summer with Quinn? Volts a great question. I always wonder that it's happening in. The NBA lot to your seen coaches. Get fired you know, handful of games into the season. Why didn't you make the change in the summertime? So whoever is going to take over wouldn't have to be in in term would have their own camp to run, but I can answer for Joel Quenneville is this clearly they were on the fence about him. Clearly, I think they wanted to make a change. But when you have a guy, that's one you three Stanley Cups in ten years. I guess you give them the benefit of the doubt tapes was so bad last year. The thinking was probably habe he'll be better this year, and you play fifteen nod games and your five hundred and I guess they pulled the plug so would have been easier to do in the summer giving him the benefit of doubt probably didn't help him overall. But clearly to me. It's a move in the direction that they could have very easily did it in the summer. And why they waited as long as they did. I'm not quite sure Tom says coach Quin how the only thing I can think of is is that they want a younger coach you can take advantage of developing the younger players, but where are you going to find a coach with a comparible resume at this time. What about GM Beaumont is he safe? Well, that's a good question too. Because when you look at the roster. I don't not sure that this Blackhawk team should be any better. Is there goaltending? Great outside of Keith and Duncan Keith. And Brent Seabrook are they are they deep on the blue line. They they've brought up young kids that they're very happy with. So you want those guys to develop, but it's gonna take a little time they've made some trades. But nothing that really is shaken anything up the permit Panara and Persad deal. I think clearly favors Columbus at this particular point. It's hurt Columbus because appearance contract. But I'm not sure sods that contributor Patrick sharp is is gone. I mean, so. So there's a transition going on here that certainly puts a focus on balm. But right now, he's running the franchise bringing the kids in and he wants to bring in another coach. But if that doesn't work. Yeah. Then then stand Beaumont is obviously going to be under consideration losing his job too. So the focus always goes to the general manager, you only get so many hirings and firings. You just let go of a future hall of fame coach if it doesn't work I wouldn't say this year. But by next year, whoever it is they bring in whether this guy's the interim coach they go after an aide. They continue to try to with a younger guy. I don't know what direction they're gonna go into. But I would say at the end of next year. You'll reevaluate and then you start paying attention to. Did they bring the right guys in here? Now Bowman's done a great job. His father's been a contributor to this team. The Blackhawks are far from the embarrassment. They were ten fifteen years ago. But clearly looks like they're on their way to a second straight year of missing the playoffs after winning three Stanley Cups. It's just odd. The timing. You're right. If they had done this in the summer, I don't think anybody would a blink. Dan, I doing it on November six that's definitely raised of you eyebrows. Phillips says what a game by the king last Sunday. He is so good and has been all season before the season. The hockey news ranked Henrik was the twenty fifth best goalie in the league twenty fifth. It's just insane. Why is there? So many Hank haters give him some love, please. Well, I'll tell you this. I like the hockey news. I subscribe to the hockey news. I get it. I love their crossword puzzle by the way, but they just love themselves. The Canadian guys will why is why is Kerry price always considered one of the best goaltenders and league hangs resume is much better than Kerry prices, much better. But price always gets the consideration as a better goaltender Henrik Lundqvist. I think it's ridiculous. Now, I don't know if it's a European bias. I don't know whether it's the fact that the Rangers have not won a Stanley Cup. But look at the goal tender's that have won Stanley Cups. Are you gonna put a lung Quist behind NIU? Emmy. Or crawford. I wouldn't do that or quick even quick Scott, two Stanley Cups. I'm still not sure he's the goaltender. Henrik Lundqvist is so twenty fifth was in a barrister. It was a joke. I mean, he had no blue line in front of him last year. He's facing fifty shots a game. And you're right. Forget about the wins and losses. He has been stellar this year and they win that game on Sunday because they him out outshot fifteen to five in the first period, and he made fifteen saves. So I don't know what it is with the hockey news far as their love of Carey price and their disrespect for Henrik Lundqvist. But definitely it's a problem. Kyle asked a great question, and we're going to get into this to a Don did you hear about the senators? Uber ride thoughts. I mean who doesn't talk bad about their bosses job sometimes laugh out loud. All right. Here's the story. There were a few Ottawa Senators there were in an Uber when they were in Arizona during their rooms recent road trip there were talking bad about their assistant coach and the Uber driver posted it on social media. And it did not go particularly well Marty Raymond is the special teams coach for the Ottawa Senators. They had some very disparaging things to say about him in the Uber ride. Nothing awful. But certainly not it was kind of awkward the guys in the cab that you know, about they were Chris wideman who's a veteran. Matt Shane who's been there for a couple of years. Chris Tierney who came over from San Jose in that trade with Carlson Dylan demo-. Was in the cab as well. Okay. And also a player that eventually was sent down to the minor leagues. Since the incident. There were laughing about the coach saying things this was due. Shane saying we don't change anything ever. So why do we even have a meeting kinda just joking about how easy it is for teams to be able to cut through their power play in their penalty? Kill it was just a real bad situation. They're making fun of one of their assistant coaches here to me is the crime. If you want to know what the with the problem is for me is that it's a crime that this was made public in the first place. I mean, you have to believe that you're gonna get some privacy. There's been plenty of times that I've been in cabs. I've been Uber's with somebody. Maybe it's my agent. Maybe it's a colleague where we're talking about radio. We're talking about our bosses, and you just assume maybe I'm wrong to assume this that those conversations are private, and they're not going to be recorded and posted on social media. These guys were messing around talking about work like we all do like, we all talk about our bosses, sometimes and the guy this idiot. This piece of garbage posts it on social media. Now are they wrong for criticizing their boss behind their back one of their coaches? They did issue an apology. This is the statement. We apologize publicly Tamari, Raymond, our teammates and coaches for our comments in Phoenix, Arizona on Tober twenty twenty-ninth. And that was a statement that was given to Elliott Friedman from sports net, but the criminal here. The crime is committed by the Uber driver that posted it, but it just shows you the dysfunction that's going on in Ottawa. You had their assistant general manager nothing. Good to say say something positive about the team. And he said, we're a team you just traded away. The franchise player for practically nothing to San Jose during the summertime you're one of the worst teams in the National Hockey League off to a decent start. But you know, that's probably not gonna last a lot of dysfunction there. And then this comes out, but I say rather than just rip the kids and rather the rip the team just a real bad job. How to Uber driver who posting in in the first place. Now, you've got to be careful when you're in public. And when you're talking about things inside when there's somebody outside the organization, that's there. I guess you have to have your up and. Realized that it could be recorded QB thrown back in your face. But to me, this is not that big of a deal. All right now, obviously, it's an awkward situation. Maybe it gets it self worked out, maybe this brings it together. But this is not the first time that athletes have talked privately complaining about things especially when the teams involved with a losing organization and a losing season. That's eventually going to be happening. So it's awkward, it's bad. But the sit there and really criticize these players for what happened put yourself in their shoes. It totally can happen to anybody because I'm sure we've all said things about our bosses act. We might have said things about our friends to other people that end up getting thrown back in their face. So are they wrong, technically? Yes. But I think the true crime committed here is the fact that there is no privacy anymore. And if you're sitting in a cab, or you're someplace that there could be somebody that can record it or pay attention to it over here at I guess, you just have to be. A little bit careful next time. All right. Let's go to Victor. He says do the devils. Make it two in a row tonight. And who hires coach q is there? No way. He won't find another job. I think well first of all the Rangers get the devils are taking on the senators and the senators we just talked about their dysfunction. So certainly they've got a chance to take advantage of that. We're Quin Ville ends up next. You wonder what he go back to Saint Louis Yoav, obviously is in a little bit of trouble. They're in Saint Louis talked about that he's job should be on the line. He could be the next coach to be fired would Quin Ville go back there where there are a lot of expectations around that team. Could you see a change in San Jose of that team continues to get off to a slow start? I mean, they're sitting there at seven four and three but the expectations were through the roof. If San Jose parts ways with Pete the boar, would they go to Joel Quenneville. Otherwise, I really don't see a team that could be a Cup contender that is grossly underachieving Philadelphia. Pull the plug on hacks. All and do you go with Quinn Vos that a possibility? Could if the Columbus blue jackets continue to struggle, if Twitter relegates Gocha, they go to Quin Ville right now, that's a very difficult question to answer. But I think month or two from now there could be a team that's off to a start that they don't want that. They still think they can do better. We're quinn. Ville might get plugged in. Joel Quenneville is only sixty years old. He's a winner. Three times down the Cup champion had good seasons in Saint Louis in Colorado as well if he wants to coach again, I believe he will but his destination right now is just a little too unclear. I think in a week or so a month or so that might come into focus just a little bit more. All right, Slough games tonight. As I told you a lot of them, very intriguing. So we'll be back with the again tomorrow. Maybe we'll have more news on Quinn. Ville where he'll go the devils. Make it two in a row to the Rangers. Make it foreign row again. A lot of good games on the docket that we can go over coming up tomorrow. Thanks a lot for joining us at download Greg. Hashtag aim is conduct is way to get in touch with me. Back again on Wednesday. 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April 10, 2019: Luck Of The Devils

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April 10, 2019: Luck Of The Devils

"Apapa ten nine eight seven six five two forty one fifty to forty one fifty Iraq Peterborough's best rough. Okay. Let me preface this podcast by saying it's going to be a little bit Frankenstein. This is the Mary Shelley edition of thirty one thoughts the podcast because Elliott as we record this first part of the podcast. It is to forty nine eastern on Tuesday little bit later on the NHL draft lottery before that we will sit down with Dale Tallon general manager of the Florida Panthers to discuss what we will discuss you in the opening segments. The hiring of Joel Quenneville as new head coach of the Florida Panthers afterwards. We'll sit down with a couple of GM's one GM NHL people who knows post NHL draft lottery and put that and big that into the oven. Which is this week's edition of thirty one thoughts the podcast so ama- will make it sound great ama- will make it sound seamless. But just in the back of your mind, gentle listener understand that this one has been done. Macgyver style put together with toothpicks and toothpaste and. Oh, forget the duct tape always duct tape. Hey, are you like me that you use shin pad tape for everything around the house? No, I know you shouldn't pets I use actual duct. I just got the Sheni the Shany's. And honestly, everything it's embarrassing. I'm the worst handyman around the house, but we shouldn't pad tape, but I'm solid red green cures everything. Panthers are going to director now announcing the hiring of a new head coach the Panthers wasting no time after a very disappointing season woman says right here with details. Now, the hiring Joel how do you pronounce Quenneville Quinn? He's known your and his lawyers known as just coach q so easy for all of us to remember coach q the Panthers making a big splash with the latest head coaching higher Florida, bringing -dult Glenville or words can't even express. How excited our family is about coming down south Florida across the board. Everybody's elated. This is where we wanted to be. And we're so happy to join the Florida panther family. I've been privileged to coach some of the great players in the game. And it's one of the reasons why I'm here today. Joel Quenneville is the new head coach of the Florida Panthers before we get there though. Bob UC Noor is now the ex head coach of the Florida Panthers geeky surpass what happened. I think quite simply they got the guy they wanted. I'm not sure that if they didn't get Joel Quenneville that there would be announcement of Bob. Buner and that he would be back for his third season. One of the things I understand is that nobody nobody made harder beeline to Joel Glenville the Florida Panthers. Did they targeted him as opposed to Kaga firing pose Chicago? Okay. They targeted him. They went after him. They made it very clear. This was not going to be a search. This was going to be for him only. They didn't they weren't gonna talk to anybody else. If he wanted the job, I think also, and we'll ask deal about it. I think he's probably got some personnel say think they gave him an idea of white. You know, they were going to look like and what they were going to go after he likes Florida. You've heard a lot of jokes about the race tracks. He's definitely a race track Vinnie. Viola is a horse racing guy. He knows talent his last stop in Chicago, you know, him and STAN Bowman didn't see eye to eye and they threw money at him. So I just look at this. Whole thing. And I believe that this was the situation that was primed up bass in some of the other teams, I think there were some teams the through some money at Quenneville to they believe that this was where he wanted to go. You've said before the first thing that Joel Quenneville asks when he's offered a position is who is our goaltender stain for this one. Then if he has personnel decisions who's going to be the goaltender. I hope. Florida's put none of this down on paper because everybody thinks Borowski is going there next year. You know, I mean, I know Columbus isn't really happy about it. And we'll see where this goes. But I think we all expected for Broschi is going to be the goaltender in Florida next season. I think the biggest question is going to be the backup lewanda was made it very clear he wants to back up. I don't know. I don't know if that's going to happen. Let's get back to Cueva here in a second. But I wanna get a couple of thoughts from you on Bob boob ner. I still maintain that the word fair is the cruellest word in the NHL dictionary. I think that every NHL fan every H L person. Should go there dictionary and take the page with the word fair on it and rip it out crumple it and throw it away when coaches get fired the first thing, I always do for each not sure about you is I go look at the goaltenders and look at the percentage of the goalies. And then I asked myself this coach get goal lead. And when you look at the Florida Panthers with no goaltender with a save percentage, anywhere. You know, higher than nine hundred a look at myself, and I say, this is a top ten team offensively deem. It has a real good power play. But this is a team that couldn't get a save. And the defense didn't help. What happened to Bob Buner? Don't think their defense overall was as good as they thought it was going to be especially on their blue line. I think there were some guys there that didn't have as good years as they were hoping. I definitely feel that the goal tending was a factor. One of the things I was told in the aftermath was that organizationally. They came up with a plan Luongo should play this much rotation. Should kind of go that way and Buber went out of the rotation. And I know that frustrated some people in the organization, you know, my response to that was he lost faith in James Rymer. And when you're a coach you're going to go to the guys that you have faith in. It's that old Mike Tyson line. Everybody's got a plan until you get punched in the face. I think Florida had a plan. They want him follow the plan. They knew that Lewan go being approaching forty years old was gonna make it impossible to play as much as boob ner light. But you know, he lost faith in Rymer. Who didn't have a good year? I think that's all true. And. I think that's gonna fix the situation. I have heard you talking about Bugno thought, it was really nice that Logan mature went on Twitter to come to boot nurse defense thought that was a a really nice move on Kapoor's behalf. I think he'll be back. But I also wanted to mention the second name that you've talked about briefly, and that is Paul McFarland who had the league's second-best power play. And a great a historically really good power play. I heard that he was really blind sided he's a young guy. He's very talented. I think I mean, you know, him better than I do. I I've met him briefly. I know him more by reputation. Somebody is going to snap up that guy too. And he's going to help someone worked on the bench and Oshawa with the with generals became head coach Kingston Fronton axe with the Florida Panthers. And you mentioned what he did on the power play. And I know people don't like it when I talk about the gym. So I won't mention that's where I met Paul. But he's a smart guy and a hard worker and good thing. No. I just. Cleverly disguised Amil smirks behind me as well. The same time, I'm with you. And I I wonder if he ends up like we've talked about what happens with Jay Smith in Toronto a head coach impossibility for him somewhere down the road. I wonder if this season if DJ Smith ends up going somewhere else, I wonder if Paul McFarland ends up taking that spot in Toronto. And he is highly regarded around the NHL and his handiwork was on full display with the Florida Panthers this year. So I'm with you. I think the Paul ends up somewhere probably sooner than later because he is valued another question along the lines of the courting of Joel Quenneville by the Florida Panthers. Let's say Florida makes it into the playoffs this year. Let's say the Florida Panthers squeak in and whatever flame out in the first round what whatever ends up happening considering that. They went after Joel Quenneville hard. Was it a as in French Fe at compli that? That at the end of all this if they had a shot at Quenneville, and he was amenable that they were going to get Joe Quinn, volt. Not unlike what we saw in Montreal where Claude Julien to over from shell -tarian the moment he became available. I think it was kind of like that. Now, if they get into the playoffs, maybe we're talking a different story. But it was tough not to see del Talon going big for Joel Quenneville. Maybe if the end of the play offs. It's different. You know, I think if Bugno winds around or two then you're really up against it. There's no way that you can probably make that change. But when they saw this was going later in the year where they probably weren't going to get in. I think thousand percent this was fate accompli. I think other teams tried but a couple of guys told me this is where he wanted to go sort of the Florida Panthers have right now in your assessment bark off. Ninety six points three thirty goal scorers. They can fill the nets real good power plays. You mentioned as well. What's under the hood of the Florida Panthers for Joel Quenneville right now. This is the tough thing for us to talk about right now. Do you think like me LeBron's going to Florida? I believe that it just makes the most right? It makes the most sense. Do you believe like me that there's a decent chance that parents going to Florida between Florida or the New York Rangers? Okay. Perhaps it depends what hour of the day. You ask me that question different answer will immediately with Abruzzi of different team with Panara n-. You have a really different team. You think you're better in goal Yardley had good forwards. But if you've got you've got even better forwards, you gotta think somebody's going out. Now, I would suspect that as part of this. And we'll ask town this that viola has made a cap commitment with the Panthers. The Joel Quenneville wasn't going there unless he knew that they're willing to spend the cap somebody's going out if it's both Abroskin paren- so who's getting subtracted, and how are you gonna make your team better with the peace? You're subtracting trade. What are you doing? Because does the goalie solve all their problems? Everything's better. When you get a safe. Everything's better save, but the fence. This year. They weren't good enough. I think you're trying to still help your blue li-. You're hoping that some guys are better next year. They recovery hope at Plata's a better year. You'll Matheson has a better year in your hoping raises your game. But I think something's gotta go out, cap wise. So what's coming in? If you throw darts at that Panthers lineup, and it's tough because this guy just you know, fed thirty five goals. You wonder if my coffin could be that guy like bar cops going nowhere. Nope. Not a chance. No, Charlton Huber, though is one of the most underrated left-wingers in the game. And he's at a a decent ticket at five point nine and they've committed to him through twenty twenty three tro check second line center. Perfect spot high production. He's going nowhere. The one that I keep coming back to in all of this who I can see being the odd man out as often Rosal rightly Ryan. That's what I got nothing to do with the Ottawa stuff for what happened or knowing that. I'm not saying he's getting traded because of or potential gain trade because it was reputation that I think that's all irrelevant. I just think that when you're if you're adding those two guys what are you? Adding what's their number going to be combined close to twenty million g somewhere between eighteen and twenty million? You think he's gonna look for something similar to the carry price deal? Don't you, you know. You know, I gotta tell you. We're we're doing this before the plow starts, and I might feel differently you know, week, but the Broschi based on the way played this year. He's not a ten million dollar player. I don't disagree with. I'd be extremely nervous free agent end GM's can get goofy. Well, rob and say hold on a second. We have a good team. We should be in the playoffs. We can't get a save will then you know, what if you're saying he's going to get carry prices deal. Get that is the ballpark is. Let's let's say we're in the ballpark. Let's just say you're actually seated in the ballpark. Even if you're in the five hundred level, you're in the ballpark euro over twenty million dollars for these guys. Yep. Well, you've made a significant investment in Joe Quinn, full right away. You've changed the conversation around the Florida Panthers. This is poised to be an ugly off season for that team in the next couple of months, we're going to be really challenging for that team and right away with this move. Day after the NHL regular season concludes. You've changed the conversation with Joel Quenneville, but let me throw them back at shoop. Do you like me believe that Joel Quenneville was told that other players are coming that? This isn't the team. Yes. There's more than this. Yes. And if he has personnel decisions. One of the first things would have to be the goaltender the goaltender and the second might be and who loved playing. Yep. For Quenneville Chicago background final thought on the Florida Panthers. Before we go to break. We'll talk about this with talent. But this is the biggest bat by Panthers owner since Pavel berry. Thoughts is brought to you by the next generation GMC Sierra dinner. The head coach of the buffalo. Sabres was fired today just hours after the season ended giving the sabers were on top of the NHL world tied for the league lead in points at one point but buffalo was the worst team in hockey since and Phil Housley was just not going to survive that sabres GM Jason Botterill announced this morning that housi- was let go as head coach in the end. I thought this decision had to be made for organization to move forward. We are all responsible for the success and failures of this organization. We are certainly not pleased at where we're at. And where results happen this year? We all need to be accountable and not make excuses. Okay, elliott. So the Florida Panthers situation. Joel Quinn vote comes in a couple of other coaching situations to go over Phil Housley is now exit of the Buffalo Sabres we've talked about this on the podcast for couple of weeks. And you mentioned that Jason bottle really didn't want to do. This is wasn't his preference. What happened? I think as you said the other day when they took a look at the end of the season the bottom line is look at our record. You look at our record in the first twenty five games. You look at the record in last week, but games, unfortunately, the message wasn't get through. This is going to be their fifth coach since Lindy Ruff was fired in February of two thousand thirteen and they're paying Phil Housley over a million dollars each of the next two years. I think they have one more year of Dan byles might think that was a five year deal. I mean, they're paying a lot. And now the word comes in that they've thrown a mega offer at Todd McLellan. Yeon to try to turn them away from Los Angeles. I mean there unafraid throw money at the problem. I give them that. But guys are looking at me and saying what's the problem here? Why can't they get this ship on track at what point do you look at it and say, it's not coaching, and you're really going to have to do some major surgery on the roster. I think major surgery on the roster is coming look at the Buffalo Sabres myself. This is the team that's the way of couch. It is this is a team that's in reflection. They don't know what they have in Thomson medal stat and Neil Lander until they get that sorted out. I don't know what the Buffalo Sabres are going to be able to chart a course here. They don't they have an Eichel. They have in Rasma stellian. And after that there are a lot of question marks. But your point about the coaching is a good ones. Visor men went through this early in his career as well. As revolving door of coaches season was the as Polanow every season. There was a new coach that was coming in. And. Actually, I visor men there had to be some stability there and eventually at happened. And you wonder about the same thing with Jack Eichel and the Buffalo Sabres to that point. There needs to be some stability there, and they can't keep going through the scenario each and every year or every couple of years where you say, well, we give it a shot, then work. Let's move on at a certain point. These superstars needs to -bility false. It's true. It's totally true. And you know, what's interesting is that I coil is an interesting guy in the stands that he wears his frustration his anger on his face. He would be a terrible poker player because you know, when he would have a good hand. And when he would have a bad hand, and you can read it on him from what I understand the concern is in lobby will look at that. And they say, well, that's the problem. He's too frustrated. And I think to a degree I I would agree with that. You can't show your frustration. But you know, what I've heard they. Feel about some of their young players other than him there too, passive, so the sabers kind of have a franchise player who people are saying is to obvious with his frustration and a bunch of other young pieces that they hope are really good that are way too, passive and not forceful enough. And what that says to me is you've got to let these guys grow. And we talked about this. How hard it is to stay in buffalo. You know, we need patience because those are great fans and they've been patient in less. You are going to give up on the knee Landers and the middle stats you have no choice, but to let them kind of mature into what they're going to be some worry about those guys now. But I think Ovechkin again, I'm gonna keep going back to this over and over again is proved that people can evolve and people can change, and if you are going to like there's all. This talking Winnipeg should they get rid of lying, should they trade lining? I think when you have a guy who was a talent like that. You have to be really smart about what you do if you give up you give up knowing that could blow up in your face. And I think buffalo, you know, they've made their picks. They've gotta live with their picks. And they better make sure that if they give up on some of those guys it's because they know they won't grow into something better. I wonder about Neil enders specifically. Okay. So he goes back to the to the buffalo draft. That's the the Austin Matthews draft, and they passed over some pretty big players and Miquel surrogate Chev is certainly one of them to draft kneeland or and I wonder where his head is that when he sees someone like Casey middle stat get drafted and go right into the NHL. Yup. And how much of an effect that has on that player while he's still plying it in the American Hockey League in Rochester. I'm sure it's a factor. You know, we see that all the time. You know, we know that the knee Landers the family. Tough. They went until a big contracts Butte with the Maple Leafs this year, and they took them right down the absolute last minute with each other before they got the deal done. So I have no doubt that that's a factor. The guy I wonder about is wrist allying. And I'm not wondering about him personally. I'm just saying that I'm hearing his name a lot. I think there's I've heard there's a lot of teams that spent the back half of the year really looking at him. And I get the sense that there are other teams out there who were like if we get him into our situation, we think this can be a lot better the analytics community, they hate them. Can't stay. I know I know, but you know, what he's still young years. No doubting his talent. There are people out there say if he gets into our situation he's going to be better. And I think that's going to be an interesting one for bottle to way because I think he knows that's. Chip he can use how frisky are they in the off season. We've talked about them as the draft. And look like a wet dog. Jeez. We're already on the podcast. I could be the intro for this week's edition of it. You know, we look at them as being one of those teams that are able to absorb contract, right? Yes. If you have problems Buffalo Sabres are open for business. Yes. It'll cost you. We're open for business. Yes. Okay. So Todd McLellan could go from coaching Connor mcdavid to coaching Jack Eichel. We've all been hearing for a couple of months now that the next guy in L A was going to be tied McClellan we're going to do a search. But now again today, but he was the preferred candidate, and I heard that at the end of the year, somebody told me they heard from outside that Ellie was like, you know, what if we really think that he's the preferred candidate, why waste time and screw around. Let's just go get them and they spoke to him. And I believe they had provisioned before the end of the season before it was reported at least anyway, and they got onto it. You know, I think LA has a limit Darryl Sutter. I believe made about three and a half million. And he was a guy who won twice as a Stanley Cup champion. And I believe McClellan was. Three and a half in Edmonton. So I think that that's about as high as Elliot's willing to go if there and buffalo comes in and the rumor is they've come in a massive number maybe five times five or something like that. I just don't think the kings are going to do that. And there's a lot to like from plowing about the kings. He's a western guy. Nice place to live. Nice place to live his family likes it out there. He knows raw Blake luck. He battled with Doug Wilson in San Jose. He battled with Peter seraglio the end Annette Minton. And now he has a guy he knows who played for them. And Blake speaks very highly of him a lot of it lines up with L A. I mean, you know, how it is. I never knock anybody for taking the money. It sounds like buffalo is going to make it hard for him to say, no first of all, you know, we need online. What's that coach cap friendly to keep track of all this and find out how much each coach makes the coaches loved telling you other how much I don't really like telling them the media how much they mean? But it benefits those. Here's the thing. Like if you look at. Some of the coach now, we know Babcock's at six although it was heavily front loaded. We know Quenneville is it five to five now in Florida and the way a lot of these deals work is so let's just say Jeff America's a coach and I've hired him. And I'm hiring you to five million dollar contract. Like when it says it could rise as highest seven. This is my guest with how it works from someone who explained to me, so Jeff I'm signing you and you're making five million this year. I'll take the pig. But if you if you make the first round of the playoffs, you get a one hundred thousand dollar bonus. Right. If get it that year, and it becomes your base for the next four years of your deal if signed a five year deal, so that's how it works. Go. That's five million dollars turns into one one or five point five million dollars in the that is as for the next few. So let's let's just say I signed you contract say, okay, Jeff, you're you got a five year deal at five million season. If you make the playoffs you get hundred. Thousand dollars bonus. If you win the first round, you get another two hundred thousand if you if you win the second round, you get two hundred fifty thousand if you go to the Stanley Cup finally get five hundred thousand if you win you get an extra million, some coaches, I know they have it all worked in that. If you get one of those bonuses on comes part of your salary for all the future years that becomes locked in. Then your base becomes a states five point five. It becomes a five point five. And then you're bonuses add up on top of that for the follow the one for the one year. You get them. Your bonuses are on top of that in your bonuses are raced, but it becomes your salary. Okay. Because I was thinking and then y'all another boat whereby you can just leapfrog over yourself every single season. So you have your five point five for next season. And then you have the we made the playoffs that becomes five point six million. And then that becomes your thing though, you only hit them once and you stays that. But it could be that way. So I don't know what numbers. I just threw. Out there. I can't even remember somebody. Listen to. But basically if you hit all those bonuses your salary starts at five million from winning the Cup get five hundred thousand for making the final, plus whatever else, I gave you you're basically at seven million. So if you win the company year one, yeah, you've made yourself an extra two million almost proceeding. Puck pedia does a good job tracking things like which agents represent which players and salary cap stuff on there as well. Cap friendly. Does a great job on the resource. We all use we need a coach version of all of this guys. They love each other knowing it, but they don't want us to know. So you have a gut feeling on buffalo and and Todd McLellan my head says LA, but not with a lot of confidence. Okay. What's your? He's going to buffalo his sons playing in the frozen four for Denver. I'm sure he'll meet with bottle there. My head says LA. But again, I I never knocked people for taking the money. I never do. Let's do LA then Willie Daesh art and this was destined from day one. The question then becomes the Los Angeles Kings who gets the new lease on life. And is that person Ilyasova, John, I would think so and maybe Dion Fano to like it didn't. Work for those guys. First of all I have noticed to kick willy jar. And while he's down, you know, it didn't work you move on. I really liked what Rob Blake sake. I Java that this year out all tear put willing to tough spot smokes. When I look at it. Now was he able to have success in that probably not he came in on a team that I wasn't sure was ready to buy into play hard enough to win. Again. It's a really really tough spot for Willie. And I take one hundred percent responsibility for that. That's on me. I didn't do good enough. We all have that happens to all of us. Now, he did say at his postseason media conference at buyouts were a possibility. And a lot of people are kind of thinking about Fano if with that. But I'm sure that whoever he interviews. He's asking them. Okay. How can we make Cova Chuck better? How can we make fun of better? Do you think we can do that? How what's your plan for us doing that? So I think that becomes a part of the conversation. What are you doing to make these guys better? I will say this if they don't. Get mcclellan. I think Patrick was going to be in this conversation. You know, someone else told me that Doug, wait could potentially be in this conversation is back to that. I had Trich wall. Blake played with them. Of course, Colorado. I've heard why as part of this attribute Quebec ramparts almost upset. The memorial Cup host Halifax move says in the opening round. He's a really good job with that program specifically in the back half of the season. Patrick wa- back in the NHL. I think wall will be in the conversation. I've heard wait could be in the conversation. You know, I'm wondering if Adam Oates wants to coach again, I don't know about that one. But they brought him in as an advisor. Right. I'll tell you what other name that someone brought up to me. It makes a lot of senses. Tony granato. Yep. Another guy who's really tight with Rob Blake. You know, he coaches at the university of Wisconsin. I could see all of those things being in the mix of it's not McClellan. But I think Blake will listen to ideas. How do we get the guys who had rough years this year? How do we get them going and the MO for the Los Angeles Kings this off season seems last season we need to get faster and younger now interestingly enough, they went out there and the out-bid the Boston Bruins Ilya Kovalchuk. But still it's a team. I understand that foot speed is a big issue. Yup. And I think they will look at how you can play faster. No question about it from the coach got fired to the coach that stayed story the Minnesota while a lot of people have been saying all season long. Minnesota is make the playoffs. Paul Fenton's only choice here is to get rid of the coach. This is new territory for Bruce Boudreau not being in the playoffs. This is unfamiliar for him and unfamiliar for any team whose Benxi stands behind the Paul Fenton said. Nope, Bruce Boudreau is coming back as our head coach next season, Paul Fenton. Stay noted Craig Leopold saying, though, what do you think I think the owner probably had a lot to do with it? You know, he's making three and a half million. I don't know people don't want these contracts to be retirement contracts, where you actually retire and still collect all that money. They want him to coach next year. And part of me wondered, and this is just me, and I want to stress this. This is me just talking and wondering myself a Sam Bujar Jorda buffalo. I was kinda wondering there would be like a trade. Same booed rose, a southern Ontario guy. He's got family and Saint Catherine's it made a lot of sense. But obviously he's gonna stay there next year. I just kind of wondered about that. Like, this doesn't look like a really happy marriage. Does it? But none of this does like with Minnesota. No, we've talked about this before this is frozen team. You look at the contracts look at the length on these contracts, if you're Paul Fenton, you mean made the move with for victirats need Anita rider who had fallen out of favor with your organization's only with the head coach that didn't work out. There are very we've talked about this before this very limited amount of moves. You can make in Minnesota. And there's no saviors coming. No, frustrated. Yes. That's the one team that I look at and say to myself, I do not a lot of general managers that have tough tasks ahead of them, whomever. Ends up managing the Oilers front and center, but how frustrating must be if you're Paul Fenton, the Minnesota wild knowing man, I really can't do anything. Even if I wanted to you have to take big wax. And if you look at Paul Fenton where he came from in. Asheville they grew incrementally. And then they took their swings. When did David Poile, take swings? He took a swings with shea Weber and peaky sue ban. He took a swings with Seth Jones, and you know, Ryan Hansen, and he is continually taken big wax at the top available guys. But if you look at the foreign the majority of them, are that's all made by trades. It's unique team and they. And the and the deal last year. There's another one fourth Berg is a trade Hanson had a gr- what he thought was a team on the brink before he did that. So I would guess that. That is probably the way Fenton prefers to do it too. But you're right. It's a slow turning ship. You don't see an easy route to do all of that kind of thing. Philadelphia flyers. I have a hard time believing. They weren't in the conversation for Joel Quenneville. I had heard that. There was a meeting between Quenneville in the flyers and early April. That rumor was out there, April fourth. I think it was let me back this up. I'm trying to the Quenneville time line. And we're doing this again before we speak the talent. I heard after it happened that Quenneville told other teams on Saturday that he was going to Florida. I think there were some who said, well, you can decide that. But that doesn't mean we have to give up and they threw bags of money at him. And he stayed with where he was going. I find hard to believe too that Philly knowing Phillies history, and the fact that you know, guys like Paul homegrown, and Bob Clark is still around that they wouldn't have considered it. But the one thing as I said, I do believe is that people thought Florida was whereas heart was it's gonna be interesting now like where do you go Chuck Fletcher has seen Dan byles get hired Scranton wilkes-barre Pittsburgh Penguins. There's a connection you always look for connections. There's a connection I gotta. Think a land vino is in this conversation too. I gotta think he's a guy that they're going to at least look at Scott, Gordon, if they decide to keep him. But this is a situation. I wonder if it evolves like who loses early in the play offs does that change the future of some people's organizations. This somebody gets shaken loose in the first round that these teams look at and say, yeah, if I'm Philly, I'm going there the Walker. There would be Toronto. That would be the earthquake. In the marketplace. Yeah. I mean, it would you know, Columbus to let's just see what happens one of the questions. People ask are one of the speculations. Was once Joel Quenneville domino fell would other teams scrambling day. We'd better get our guy or agai before the music stops. And we don't have a chair will. That's what buffalo is clearly done. Buffalo has just said, you know, what we're not screwing around here. We're throwing we're not waiting for playoff. We're going after guy, you know, the thing about I kind of wondered Avena would be in there to Botterill, and you're going to be together at the world championships. I gotta tell you just sure theory on my part I thought of this last night, and it was like. Now, your head is spinning top. Is this last night when you weren't with your wife at the Fleetwood MAC concert because postponed took her to a great restaurant a restaurant? You would like I was disappointed for that for her because she was really excite you. And I really did this idiot husband this week, by the way. Okay. So was her name like you guys know this the barefoot Contessa that is no chef the the verified. So she's coming Toronto this week. And I'm like, of course, I can I can go with you like, I always try one thing with my wife right before the plastic. I may not like, but she's gonna love just to make your happy. I'm going into the witness protection program for too much. And then, you know, Vegas goes to the cop. I get to go back there again. So I get her tickets the barefoot Contessa just like I only want to go if you can go with me. I'm like check the date. Oh, yeah. No problem. I'm such a more it's Thursday. So I can't Thursday. I thought it was. Hey, guys, I'm gonna take off lease Bruins and Calgary. The the back end of the w go see the barefoot Contessa you'll catch with that. So anyway, we were supposed to Fleetwood back Stevie nicks sick got cancelled drag I took her out Lindsey Buckingham. So anyway, as I was saying with buffalo. Okay. So what have we seen? We have seen D Lombardi go back to Darryl center. Yep. We have seen Anaheim go back to Randy Carlyle this pause right there. I don't want to see this card. Well, it's obvious. If you don't get this, right? Your complete idiot. Well, we already know that was gonna show almo. Okay. Go ahead. Finish your thoughts. You there's any chance. Buffalo will go back to Lindy rough going to go with Delfi there. Oh, I was holding that card Ken Hitchcock. I don't know. I I mean, I was thinking this any chance buffalo go back to Lindy row. Why not? He was the longest serving buffalo. Saber coach ever helped develop that team in a salary cap to being amongst the elite in the NHL that was a fun team to watch. I love that addition of the sabers with Briere and Drewery and Campbell and a young Haman Ville, I loved that. Ryan Miller, I love watching that Buffalo Sabres squat. And when they moved the Parker on will and Thomas Vantic, dick. I loved it's not. Why not? Okay. I thought you're gonna say, Philadelphia and Kennedy gawk you ready. What's happening in Edmonson? Well, they've announced Hitchcock won't be back. That's right. I was really intrigued by the fact that he said they're not hiring president of hockey operations. But just GM. That's what Nicholson said that their urine media conference. I thought they were gonna go after Holland of Holland didn't stand Troy, but now that they're only talking about a GM. I'm I'm not sure, you know, we've had the Mike Gillis to be here. I think he's going to get interviewed there. Bob Nicholson has said he's going to try to keep quiet on this. I think they're going to futa. I think they're gonna be bills ITO. I think they're gonna be Mark hunter think they're going to Brad mccrum. I think people are gonna ask for a lot of power. The people were going in. There are going to ask for a lot of power. And I think that's gonna be where going to be one of the most interesting questions are they willing to give up that kind of power. You know, the fact that they're not talking about president of hockey house. But GM, I think that's really intriguing in what sense in that. That GM sounds will be veteran guy coming in that GM's plug in a lot of power. I think they're gonna Keith Gretzky still think he's in the mix. I think Bob Nicholson this has been such a roller coaster ride for him. I think he's changed kind of thinking of few times here. And there I'm curious to see where this is going to go over the next couple of months that general manager come in with a preferred candidate behind the bench. Well, I think it's going to be up to that guy. Right. Sure. Certainly. But as part of that. Part of the interview process is I'm not just hiring this GM marrying this GM who is bringing with him this recommendation. I'm trying to think like for some of these guys who the obvious connection. That's what I'm trying to dry. The the Mark hunter gets the job who's the coach? There's no way deals going there DJ. Yeah. That's all DJ. Smith is a great call. What any get at here in a roundabout way is is there any outside the box thinkers, and if so because this name has popped up more so in in discourse online than anywhere else. Ricard Grinberg this we head coach. Yeah. We had them on interested in working in the NHL has been in North America. Previous as we all know like I wonder if you get interviewing auto don't know that's another on my list of ask Elliott about like Ottawa. I could see that auto buffalo. It's interesting to lean. Yeah. Buffalo like you're looking for. A team. That's got that kind of connection. Elander? I would like to see him here. It's the lie. I think it's time. I don't know if you're going to be a head coach, but he could be an associate coach I wonder if he gets interviewed NADA wa I wonder if he gets a look in buffalo Anaheim, we all say this is done. It's over Dallas Aitken's becomes the next head coach of the Anaheim ducks. I think they're gonna go through a search. I have believed it's Aitken's until told otherwise I haven't been told otherwise speaking of Anaheim, Ryan kesler hip surgery. Yeah. I don't know Ryan kesler he came back a long way to get here this year. He didn't play out. He played thousand eight thousand one for the ceremony and one guy who called me kind of rip me about that. Like not written me rip Kessler to me about that. And I'm like that is such like Bs like, you know, first of all like, I understand thousands of big deal. Secondly, are we? We really ripping people now for trying to make comebacks and trying to play and earn their contract. You know, my Forsberg point of view make them drag you off the ice drag me I'm gonna keep as long as I can get in skate. I told lame opinion. That's what I thought like in this not just hockey. But in all sports respond to celebrate never quitting. Yeah. What do we encourage guys to quit at the end? Oh, you're tarnishing reputation leave the stage while the audience is applauding not chance. Go when you're ready to go. See this almost ended up in Sports Illustrated. I know we've got out of the article, but I don't mind saying it now. So remember last summer, I reported that he might not play. Yeah. When we saw shows Anaheim came to Toronto Kessler said to me that was big motivation for him. Really? Yes. I can see that about him. And you know, what he was he wasn't an idiot about it. He was really honest. I like doing with Kessler. I always have he just said to me like. I when you reported that I took that as a big challenge. It's awesome. Good for him. Yeah. I said, well, I'm glad you proved me wrong. And I'm glad you made it, and you know, I think to play a thousand games in the league is hard, especially with the way he plays. And I think it's to be respected that you know, he was so determined at the end of the day he signed a big contract is trying to earn it. Now, he may not in it because was going to earn. It earn it. But he made. May appeal to play for it because his body's so broken down. But you can never accuse that guy of cheating you on effort before we get so break here del talent on the other side Jim before the Panthers. The future of Taylor hall. How much of a discussion will this be in the days weeks and months to come until it ends with either a contract or a move. It's going to be a top. Now. Maybe it won't be as big as the plan will be on. But right around draft time, you can imagine. If if he doesn't have an extension, you know, it's going to be at the forefront. When we come back GM and the Florida Panthers Dale town. Thirty one thoughts is brought to you by the next generation GMC Sierra the now complete with the world's first six function multi-proposal gate. Nets sliding around on the way to hockey use the built-in load stop to help keep them in place. Loading what seems like half a team's worth of bags the tailgate. Also turns into a step for easier access and has an inner gate that flips down for unloading all the year, you can fit GMC Sierra Dinelli. We are professional grade. Joined now by the general manager of the Florida Panthers. And the man that made the headlines all week long and well into this podcast as well. Dale talent joins us once again, I should mention the thirty one thoughts podcast. Of course. We're going to get to the big news with Joel Quenneville, but first we're recording this interview in advance of the draft lottery. You have had some success in the past out lotteries. Do you have a lucky charm or something you say to yourself or anything you're Irish has to be something you do? Anymore? You know, I put my left skate on. I that didn't work. No, listen, the golf ball. Listen. So I said the hell with it. No, I don't know, you know, once in a while. But not I don't really believe in that stuff. So I've been lucky my whole life. I think I'm a lucky charm. So I'll go there and hope hope for the best. Now, Dale talent. You can't see this on the pied cast but on his neck. He's wearing something that's draft lottery. VIP or? Yeah. Get in your otherwise. But Dale in the National Hockey League this week. You are not just av IP. You are the VIP because you have been the biggest newsmaker the National Hockey League. I think a lot of people were expecting the Joel Quenneville was going to end up in Philadelphia. How did you get him to Florida, my lucky charm? I guess. Joel I have a great relationship, and for me, it was kind of fate like Vinnie vile, and I had a meeting on Wednesday Tuesday Wednesday of last week Wednesday. We decided that we were going to I had read somewhere the week before that Joel was interested in getting back in up until that time. I you know, when I last spoken with them at Christmas. We always stay anti wisdom merry Christmas fan love family, and we're just buddies and he said he was enjoying retirement. And that was the end of the conversation. And then saw never thought anything of it down deep subconsciously. I always felt that it would be nice to get back together with them somehow and be on the ice with them went when when the Cup, and so I went to Vinnie and Vinnie said, let's go for it. And so then the call the the Blackhawks Thursday evening just before puck drop against Dallas and ask permission to talk to them. And they said yes, and then got the mail from STAN. And I call Joel right away and start hammering it away and explained what was going on. And what our goals were. And and he knew somewhat of our team in our players, and then I got Vinnie to call them. And we just started going after it and by the weekend, it was a done deal. And here we are just phenomenal thing that just happened in kept rolling and we'd went forward and here we are. I'm so excited. Now, the word around the league is that you guys were by far the most aggressive team, and you were not going to take. No for an answer. Very true. Very true. I don't know what other teams are doing or saying, no. There are other teams that we're looking for them that an idea that Philly was aggressive and wanted to get there as well. And I think the relationship from the past and the great young players that we have and the players we have coming and who doesn't wanna live in Florida. But I think Vinny vile has made a total commitment and you understand. That and he likes our team, and he likes me, and I like him, and it was a perfect fit. What is it? Then about joy in the obvious answer is look at he's been wildly successful three Stanley Cup rings at cetera. That's from you know, viewers point of view, someone that follows hockey, but obviously your general manager, and you know, Joel in a way that most people don't Weigel. First of all was record is impeccable. Who has a better record only one another guy? I don't think he was available. So you call. You know, and to me to be just fortunate to have a relationship with them in our situation in Florida. We needed to make a statement we have a lot of good young players. But we're kinda underachieving I thought this year last year. So we needed to make a statement. And I just like the fact that. Our players will know, whatever he tells them it works. He believes in what he's doing the players will now believe what he's capable of doing. They'll be willing to do what he tells them to do and you'll do it convincingly, honestly transparently, and he's just no BS. It's just these are the facts, this is what we're gonna do this. We're gonna win from your chair. Then what do you think Joel Quenneville 's biggest job is instill positive confident, assertive attitude? You know, I think our kids this year kinda lost her confidence and got a little bit flustered. And we lost a lot of games when we were ahead or close and composure was not there. Those are the things that will he will change a couple of questions number one. The one of the stories lines out there was that Quenneville promise. Some personnel say is that correct? Well, for sure why wouldn't you? I mean the. You know, I always had a philosophy of laying the coach hire one and then agreeing on a second. But you know, Joel I'm going to be in discussions on everything. I've changed as well. You know, from when we first started it was you coach the players I bring you in. That's it that I've changed as well. More willing to listen to other people. And and I think Joel, and I will have a lot of discussions on personnel. And I think we agree on a lot of the stuff. We have the same Leica players and coaches. So, you know, why not he's he's is very successful coach and I trust them. Apparently the storyline understand is on Saturday afternoon. He began to tell other organizations that he was going to Florida. But then there were rumors on Sunday afternoon and out this Monday. The maybe some of those organizations weren't taking no for an answer. And they were trying to stay in where you word it all on Sunday that you were going to lose them. No. Knows pretty confident you mentioned all the young players of the Florida Panthers. And listen Alexander bark off once again, wonderful campaign just shy of one hundred points. Charles Hubert, oh continues to be one of the best kept secrets on the wing in the entire NHL. You talk about players that need to need to be better need to take their game to the next level. Who are those guys because we? Young have to get better. They have to trust themselves and Matheson act Blad, you know, those kids have to improve the take it to another level. I think for us to to make a big step forward. You know? That's the toughest position. Those are the guys that I think need to have more confidence in play with more confidence and be more cert- of an aggressive those types of things and and we need more consistent play from kid lake Bjork shrimp gonna raise his game. It was you know, experience form this year. But you know, just everybody's gotta get better at gay management. Our game management was not very good. We really didn't play smart hockey when we had leads and critical situations in games, and it really backfired on his. So those are things that Joel will address and fix and and then we also have a lot of room to be aggressive in the free agent market. So we're pretty excited about the direction. We're team is headed in cap team now. Yes, that's another team. Yes. I wanted to ask you about Longo. He said that it was not only his decision. It was also the organization's decision. Where's that stand? Now. Well, we had our actually meetings yesterday. And I told him that I would like him to sit on it for a while. He's old that I don't want. Any rash decisions made yesterday and exit meeting when you're doing twenty five other guys, but we're gonna meet probably next week sometime before I go to Europe for the under eighteen and let them think about it somewhat. And they'll have really good discussions about. What's best for Lou N for the Panthers? Here we are just in advanced the draft lottery. And it wasn't that long ago. You were saying the name Owen tip outsing him as a member of the of the Florida Panthers with Saginaw right now in L H L haven't really nice playoff run. Maybe the best shooter in his fart. Right. You can really really let it go. How close you think? Someone like Owen tip. It is. And I'm thinking he's come a long way. I think last year, you know, less year training camp this training camp. He had a long way to go is stamina is enduring and paste two hundred foot game was not there. And I think since he's been traded. He's become a better two hundred foot player his energy levels higher and scoring but he's also doing good things in the defensive zone. So that's all it takes timing and conditioning and pace. He's a good skater. And he has a great shot. But it's is in Durance and and pace and continue that pays for for, you know, multiple shifts against big guys. And and pros that's the only thing that's held them back so far, but I'm really happy with the way he's developed here this year further to the draft and the draft question what point of this season? 'cause I you're one of those guys love to be at the rank your on these guy you want your own eyeballs on some of these players. Is there a time of year Dale where you step it up where you right now. All right now. No tomorrow, I'm going to go to golf, and then there's it all she wa and then you're hitting all of on -tario. Metro now, that's the favorite part of the job for me to drive all over these and go to these ranks all over I love and the atmosphere's and energy levels and the passion for the game. That's what's all about. And I love being what scouts they're they're my favorite people in hockey, you mentioned Vinnie. Viola made a big investment in role Quenneville you say the team is going to the cap. We said earlier on the podcast. This is the biggest boldest step the Florida Panthers probably taken since Pavel beret. What is the future? I think it's bright or you know, we're going to build a new practice facility right downtown at the war memorial Vinnie's committed. I mean, these unbelievable we lose twenty eight to thirty million dollars a year and here he is. Let's go. Let's go to the let's get y'all. Let's let's do we have to do, you know, God bless them. This isn't the last big headline from the Florida Panthers in the next. No, no way, we're going. We're gonna have some fun. Thanks so much for this pleasure. Thank you. Canada wanna stream every game of the Stanley Cup playoffs. Sports now is the product for you available to anyone over the internet sports that now gives you twenty four seven access sports channels, including content not available on television. You can stream on the most popular devices, including smartphones tablets, apple TV, XBox, PlayStation, Amazon fire and chrome cast sign up for as long as you want and cancel whenever you'd like. You can also stream the NBA MLB IndyCar and all your favorite sports center, original programming and more. Visit SM now dot CA for more details. Okay. Elliot. So that was our conversation with Dell talent general manager of the Florida Panthers. Now, as you mentioned, this is a Frankenstein podcast repeating altogether. So what we did before the NHL draft lottery is we sat down with a couple of other general managers, and we'll hear from them now. And then at the end will hear from ratio GM of the New Jersey Devils, congratulations. They'll select first overall in Vancouver at the NHL draft in June and then Hugh Weber New Jersey Devils team president as well. In the meantime, Elliot will hear from Jason botra GM of the Buffalo Sabres. But first here is the general manager of the Vancouver Canucks. Jim Benning very pleased to be joined now by the general manager of the Vancouver connects Jim Benning gym a couple of moments ago. We were talking Dell talent GM the Florida Panthers and asked him for good luck. Charms. Now every time on Vancouver radio. It comes to the draft lottery. The common theme is Vancouver needs. Some luck. We need some luck in this thing and come back and said, wait a minute pick up. Leah's pederson. If Quinn Hughes. I don't think Vancouver knees any luck. But if you think you do need luck. Jim, do you have anything you keep with you? I don't have anything that. I keep with me. You know, over the last I guess three or four years we've showed up at this. And we end up losing two or three spots in the draft. So our hope today, it would be fantastic. If we could end up in the top three, but I don't wanna lose. We're at nine right now. I don't wanna lose too many spots. Do you allow yourself to think in any way, what it would be like to unveil Quinn and Jack Hughes together? Yeah. Well, we've you know, obviously that would be a perfect scenario for us. We had this sedans all those years, and you know, there was such great players for us. And and both Jack and Quinn are going to be great players in this league. So, you know, Jim analogy when they were in to watch Quinn's first game, you know, they'd like to see that too. But, you know, the chances of that happening we'd have to be really lucky how much jacket be able to watch how much of the he'll say, well I seen him last year. I've seen him play probably six seven times. And this year I've seen him play three or four times. And I'm going to head over to the under eighteen world championships here in another week, and I'll see him play some more. But I've seen him play enough where you know, he's dynamic fast skill player. And I think has a chance to step into the league and be a real good player next year. I I know they're different positions. But what do they share in common? Quinton jack. While they're both. Excellent. Skaters fast have good balance on the skates. And they're both really smart players. I think they're hockey IQ's are both off the charts. They grew up in hockey family like with you know, Jim always being involved with NHL teams. And you know, like when Luke Hsien we told Quinn when he was signed with us that he was going to be paired with Liu Chen. Well, well, Jim was the player development guy for Toronto. When you know he was dragging Quinton Jack in the room to work with Luke, Shan. So you know, I just came back all around in a big circle. So they've grown up around the game. Jim is you know when he's been involved in a game. He was coaching. And he's a real smart like he is smart defensive mind. So as good as both of them are offensively. I think from Jim, you know, they've learned the defensive side of the game. All right. You mentioned shin. We talked a couple. Weeks ago in hockey and about the possibility he comes back for another year. Where's that stand? At this point in time. We just finished, you know, three nights ago, we did exit meetings with our players the last couple of days and came in here last night for this today. So we're gonna when I get back after this week. We're going to sit down as a hockey operations group. And we're going to talk about all the players, and what their futures are what was Pedersen's exit interview. Like, what did you say to him? What did he talk about? He's a guy that's first of all mature beyond his years. You know, he talked to me about you know, how good the first sixty games were for him. And then how hard, you know, the last twenty games when teams are ratcheting it up a level to get ready for the playoffs. And it was a great learning experience for him. I think you know, he's seen the good side of things the first sixty games. And then he seeing the last twenty games where you know, he seen it's hard and it's hard, especially when you. Get into that last couple of months of the year and teams again ready for the playoffs. So I think it was a great learning experience for him this year, and he's the type of kid that he's going to figure out you know, what he needs to do in the summertime to to you know, to get better to get stronger. So you know, he can be really good the whole eighty two games, you know, for group one of the best picks and the history of the Vancouver specifically where you got him considering how good he is. And what he did this year in the NHL. And and what he's done to organization we believe there's at least a couple of teams that had him as high as number one on their draft rankings. How high did you have Pederson on yours? Adam. Really? Hi, I'm not going to say where it what number. We had him rated. But we Adam rated high considering what he did this year. And what you saw at the beginning of the season. Does any of this surprise you what he did all year? Well, I think what surprised this is. He was so good so fast. Like, we knew he was going to be a really skilled player. But to step in and to do the things that he did this year. You know, I don't think we are expecting that. Like, you know, when we talked he played right wing last year. Most of the year, he played seven games at center last summer. You know, we were trying to address getting like a skilled center ice meant a second center ice spent force. And and you know, we had no luck there. So we said, well, we drafted him as a center ice Mun. Let's give them a call here in August and get it in his mindset, you're gonna come to training camp play center for so he came in. And it was like every day. He got better like every day through the rookie tournament through training camp. Like every day, just and he's such a competitive guy. Like, it was the first year he played center, you know, in a couple years. And so he was having a tough time withdraws as all young players too. And they first come into the league and after games like even when he scored he'd have a goal in an assist and. And you know, I say good game tonight. And he was like it was driving him crazy that he went like four eight on draws. You know what I mean? But he's like a perfectionist that way he wants, you know, it's just we see the scoring. We see the shot we see the vision but his defensive play and playing winning hockey and a little details of the game. And that's all the great players. You know, we've seen come through the years. That's the way they're like. And he's no different marks. Jim. Do you see him as the long term future in goal for Vancouver? We're in a good position goal is. Now Jacob had an excellent year for us. And you know, this last three or four months kept us in a lot of games. And you know, was excellent. So he took another step like he, you know, he's now a true number one goalie that has the ability to on any given night when a game for you Thatcher, damn co we got him up and going this year. And played him some games that the end here, and he was really good too. So I feel really good about the two of them going into next year. You know, I think Ian Clark worked with Jacob this year and got him to another level. And so we're going to talk about he's got another year left on his contract. So when we have our meetings, we'll talk about whether you know, we try to approach him after July first about signing a deal, but we got good goalies. Where's it staying with header? So Alex wants to be in Vancouver. He was really good for us this year. He was our best defenseman. He had a real good year. You know, he's the type guy where he's a leader in our group like when we did our exit meetings, and we talked to some of the young guys who do you look up to on the team who do you talk to one things on going? Well, and and Alex is name always comes up of the three or four players players mentioned his name always comes up. So like, he learned from the sedans, the culture. What it means to be Vancouver? And I think you know, PD's looked up to him this year spent a lot of time with them help advise him in certain situations. So he's an important guy. And we're going to you know, now that we're done the season. We're going to get together with his agent, and we're going to try to figure it out has that process been any more difficult than you thought. It was going to be no no it hasn't. He's played his whole career in Vancouver. He wants to win and he loves the direction of the team and the young players we have and. You know, he thinks that we're heading in the right direction. So you know, we just have to figure out what the deal looks like. But he wants to be there and be part of our group moving forward. You say you're you're an interview you're looking at a top six four diedhiou. See that being free agency or trade thing, we're going to try looking at both like if it's you know, if there's something available in trade, and you know, we'll take a look at that. Or, you know, and we're gonna look at free agency too. So I think we took a as an organization as team this year. We took a step and we want to take another step next year. And you know, we have to make some improvements in certain areas. And if we can address those I feel like, you know, we're capable of taking that next step talked earlier Jim about how at least Pederson change the expectation for this team almost immediately and what they're going to becoming how quickly they're going to get there. How does Quin Hughes? It's a lot of easy zone exits when he's on the ice s. The first thing that comes to mind, but knows expecting them to do to the back end. What Pederson did up front, but what's explication acting that though like he has it in him to do that? Like, he's a fantastic skater. He's got good balance on his skates. We just seen a glimpse of it. And these five games that he played, but he's like a one man break. Oh machine. He's fast enough to get back at the puck, and he you know, in two strides. He's going full speed. And he's pasta. I four checker and breaking the puck up. I so, you know, like in we've played some big strong teams here in these five games. He played we played Saint Louis. Dallas San Jose hard teams like big teams. And but he's such a good skater. He's got such good balance on skates. And he's smart like he's he reads the play. Well, he made some plays and the games. He played PD made up front for us this year that you know, we haven't had like that offensive type defenseman around. In Vancouver for a long time. And and you know, we drafted him last year, and we feel he can be that guy for us. He's like a young Jim Benning. Way better than Jim playing. It's funny. We were joking awhile ago. But how there needs to be a separate Twitter feed? Just to alert people when Vancouver's going into overtime because three on three with Hoover with Hughes. Pederson best around the ice. Like that's must see even if you're not watching the connects game. That's must see TV. Yeah. That was fun to watch. We've seen it in two instances this year where they're playing three on three and the three of them the way, they think the game and the way Quinn skates and the vision that PD has and you know, with Brock's shot, it just seems like a perfect scenario. The three of them, you know, and Travis, and I talk and stuff, and we're like, wow. This is going to be fun going forward to watch these guys. I wonder about planning so Edmondson has mcdavid and dry Seidel. And now, they're on their second contracts. Toronto went through it with Mathewson martyr. And now they're all going to be on their second contracts with tha virus do you look at? This and say Pedersen's, really good. So who knows what we're gonna be paying him in two years. And hopefully, these other guys are going to be just as good Besser Hughes. Never one else to know look at the next two years and say we have to make a run during that time. I don't think so you know, I feel like we've taken a step in the right direction this year, we want to take the next step next year. You know, and these young exciting players, and we're gonna have to start paying them. We know that we have cap, you know, room available right now. And I think we just have to be careful like because both Quinn and PD come up to say me air that you know, we have enough money to make sure that you know, to pay these guys what they're going to be worth or what they're going to be asking for. So, you know, we're mindful of that. But you know, I think you know, we have a group now that I feel is going to grow together and hopefully have success and. It should be fun for fans to watch. And and I hope in that, you know, like, I said, we can take the next step and be a playoff team, and they get experienced to in that. And we'll see where it goes. Should we expect big headlines out of Hoover in the off season? Well, I don't like I don't necessarily know big headlines we want, you know, we've identified some areas we'd like to get better like getting Pearson for us. I think is really worked out well because him in Bullhorn VAT have good chemistry together. And it's been a good fit getting him. So I think you know, we have some areas that we want to get better in and we want to add players to help us grow as a team and help our young players keep developing, but I don't necessarily know that it has to be headline type players. It's Canada every fourth line winger you sign that's seventy two point headline. Last one for me. Jim you mentioned you're going scouting. You're gonna see some OH L playoff games. You're going to Utica, what are your plans for you to? I know. I know there was some controversy there. What is the future of you know, that team and what you're gonna do with them while we like being there? It's a great place for kids to develop the fan bases. They support the team really good. We had like five or six young players go in there this year for some of them. It didn't work out. Like, you know, the player wanted like we wanted. But that's going to happen. When you have like six young players show up all at the same time like some players are gonna fall by the wayside. And that's just the way it is. I think our guys are organized down there. They have good communication with the players their expectations for the players are high. And you know, we're just going to have to make sure that you know, we keep, you know, getting young. Players. And so they get down there and make sure that we develop them properly. And and then when they're ready to play give him a chance to play in the NHL, Jim it's a big night. Fred one big night for the Vancouver Canucks for your sake. We hope we have to do an insert at the end of this interview or nounce you've you've won the draft lottery. Best of luck tonight. Thanks for having me guys. That was Jim Benning the general manager of the Vancouver Canucks after that interview the Vancouver Canucks card turned over the number ten. So at the draft they will host they will select tenth overall that's here. Now from Jason bottle, the general manager of the Buffalo Sabres, please be joined now by the general manager of the Buffalo Sabres station virtual, and I've been asking this one of all the GM so far today here on the podcast. This is in advance of the draft lottery. We asked L talent he said nothing superstitious we asked Jim bedding. Nothing superstitious. I'll ask you the same question. Any good luck? Charms secret tie that you have a rabbit's foot in your pocket anything like that. In advance of the the law. -tory balls. Well, I do have a couple of pitchers that were drawn by my daughters. And if you notice I do have the same red tie on that I wore last year outstanding very good. Oh, we didn't notice. I'm glad you told us. That's very that's very thirty. One thoughts. Ask. -cation buffalo wins if that Taiwan's for the second straight year, it's going to be out a lot fasten my blog will be tomorrow. That's for sure it certainly work last year. It was a huge advantage for organization get Mr Daul lean and we'll see if it can work out again here tonight. And by the way, as a parent, and Jeff is apparent to. I respect the fact that you brought some of your daughter stuff with you. I think that's awesome. I'm very fortunate. I have a seven year old daughter three year old daughter, and they're very good artist. So my my my office at work is certainly covered with some very creative drawings. So Jason where would you like to start? There's lots of stuff going on in buffalo rate. Now. First of all let's go back to the season. You guys were Tanna row. You're off to a great start. You seem to be a great spot. And no every team does a sort of breakdown of what happened when you look at it. What do you see happen from start to finish? Well, I think there was the excitement the of how we played in. In the fall in you saw just the excitement in the building. Especially on American thanksgiving this going on ten game win streak, and we understood what we were going through in game win streak that it was great for a group to win close games. But we also you looked at the numbers we were fortunate in those situations. But I thought it was great for our group sorta just coming together we challenged the group the previous spring on just preparation throughout the summer preparation in getting ready for the games just how they had themselves off the ice. And I think we really took a step from that standpoint. You bring a player like Rasmi Darlene into the mix. He was exactly what we're looking for. I thought we the previous year we'd spent too much time in their own zone. He helping night the transition game a lot for us. And I don't think you can ever sort of pinpoint one thing I thought going into Christmas break, although we lost a few games in December. We'd rebounded had some strong efforts in Washington and Boston one or last game going into the break played. Well there. Jack, I got an injury right after Christmas. And how we're built right now, we just can't sustain injuries to top players, and that's her momentum a little bit, especially after the all-star break teams. Just tighten up that much more and the physical play. I think a lot of teams focused on rasps Darlene Casey middle stat just instead of it being a good story in eighteen defense plane in the league, they realized he was a key to our team played a lot more physical against them. And we are still in a lot of games. But just like how we found a way to win those taking him in the first half teams tighten up defensively, and we weren't able to win those games in the third period in the second half there. And I thought all teams have young players fact that we had a lot of young players and predominant roles. They wore down a little bit Camiel sets two years removed from play Minnesota high school hockey, Rasmi, Darlene. Eighteen year old league had that same adrenaline that same energy and stuff in the game. So you know, we were very happy about the progress of where team. Got two thirds the season. Obviously, very disappointed. What transpired over that? Last the season that as an organization where we have to improve on. And that's where we talked a lot to our players of last couple of days challenged him on some things moving forward from a manager standpoint. It's where we have to continue to bring in more skill to group we joined that streak we relied too heavily on Eichel Reinhard. Skinner? We have to continue to find more depth scoring. And you just look at our numbers entire year. There's lots of room from from a defensive standpoint snapshot of the team let me know if you think this is accurate on the podcast earlier described the Buffalo Sabres as a team in reflection Jack Eichel. We know what Jaekle is and what can become Rasma stellian. Even in the first season. We can see it. We know. What's there is this a team that right now is trying to figure out who Thompson is going to be who middle stat is going to be who knee land or is going to be a team that's in reflection about players like that it's reflection. But it's also just you're looking. Them as that's the key for the for the future of the Buffalo Sabres and to me that term that's most important. It's just development everyone talks about our young players. They talk about you talk about teach Thompson rasps Darlene Casey middle stat Alex lender. But Jack Eichel Sam Reinhart restaurants were Selena and they're still young. They've been in the league now for few years, but it's imperative that they continue their developed. I thought Sam Reinhart had an outstanding season. You know, you look at it from the start of the season going through a contract negotiations and training camp. He really took control of that situation and got himself back into training camp and became a strong leader for us Jack Eichel. We gave him the at the start of the year. He took that responsibility extremely serious. And is the perfect captain. He's working at those type of things, but he took a real step in his two game this year and being the leader of a group move forward here. So to me the key for this team. It's still the core learning how to. To win. I think it was great for us to have the ten game win streak. Just so they could feel that they can do it as a group. I think before that recognition hadn't won something like three or four games and four or five years proved they know what it takes. But it's still finding out young players finding how difficult it is to be consistent in this league. Especially how to win games in the second half. This predates you, but this will be the fifth coach since February of two thousand thirteen where Lindy Ruff was fired. And we've seen guys who have not been head coaches before we've seen guys with a lot of experience. What are you looking for? Well, I think it's we're open to to anything. And you you look at different things. I think it's certainly looking for someone who has command of the room that presence in the room as I talked about before we have skill. We need to continue to Britain develop that within our organization brings some more in. But we wanna play fast up tempo style. We want to get it offense up in the play. It's that's where Rasmi. Dulling really helped group this year. But it's still as much as we wanna play that offense the game. It's having a little more structure defensively and titan in I think that's a big area where we can have improvement there. So as a group right now, it's a we have to get an experienced guide or not no we weren't looking at someone who has a communicated ability has it accountability has that presence. And that's why we're sort of going to be looking at all different options. It sounds like it's almost like a guy who's can walk that fine line of players wanna play for them. But he's also going to grind them. Is that a fair way to put it? Well, I think that's a fair way for most successful coaches right there. It's always a fine line of making sure that you have their Latian ship with the players you have that dialogue with them. But there's also that ability you get the most out of them you drive. They know that you're the one in charge. You're responsible for the for the organization getting the players to play at the top level. Do you wanna address Todd McLellan? It's a situation where Todd's has amazing career has had a lot of success, and certainly. A person of interest and he's on our list. Just like there's quite a few other people have on our list right now would that list entail and would your search entail? Waiting until the playoffs are done to see which other candidates may become available or do you already? Have some preferred candidates in mind that are already available. Look, I think until you get into interviewing people and talking about people you have to sort of see a, hey, if you feel there's fit we'll certainly move forward with it. If something that, you know, you look last time I got the job in the middle of may. And we made our decision middle of June. I think in all sorts of searches like this all you wanna have something in places before the draft. But if you feel comfortable with the person that you're nerve, we'll certainly move on even if I'm going to phrase this properly, but so I was in buffalo a couple of weeks ago, and I was walking around actually Galleria mall, and I told us during the podcast last week, and they were savers fans, ripping me for being in Galleria mall. I didn't know that was such a bad thing. But you know. Thank him up when we were talking. And you know, they said, what do you think I said, well, you know, you gotta have patients like a lot of these guys are young and he's a passionate buffalo fan. I love those fans. He's like, I'm sick and tired of being told we have to be patient we've impatient for so long. That's a tough position for an organization to be in Jason because tell me I'm wrong. I'm looking at your team. And I'm saying you have to watch some guys grow. But you've got a fan base that loves hockey and they're tired of waiting. How do you handle that? Like, how do you make a great fan base happy when they're tired of waiting? Can understand it. I've been here for two years. You know, you're disappointed you're frustrated by not being in the playoffs. So I can understand where some of their frustration comes after eight years. But when I took the job my responsibility was to build a winner and not build a team that's going to be in the playoffs one year, but build a team that's continuing constantly in the playoffs. I feel their disappointment. But I can't let that impact my decisions. And we've talked a lot about it. We are going to certainly put young players on our team. You look at Casey middle stat. Rasmi Dalian teach Thompson this year bringing up Alex Neil entered in the second half bringing up a victory. We're gonna continue to put those young players in those situations. But it's also understanding that if we can find establish NHL players that are in that sort of eighteen to twenty four category. We're going to try to add them to to. And that's why we went after a Brandon menteur we utilize the first round pick to bring in a player like that. And that's sort of were injured development. But if we can bring some. Establishing h Ehlers to help out the Jack Eichel's Sam reinhart's Rasmussen Wayne in that age group. We'll certainly look at it. You have a really good goaltender coming right now is playing with the celebrate wolves. But where are you at with your goal tending right now? Well, I think if you talked to Carter Hutton or Lena Cellmark, they were very similar to our team this year. They were outstanding. I thought special in the fall when we did have go through the structure of know, the ten game win streak, they were absolute. And they certainly still have some games in the second half. I think they'd probably tell you the same thing. There was some goals that they want it back and they were inconsistent. Just like our team was, but Carter Hutton, he came in as advertisers work ethic and practice what he brought to our room from a culture standpoint and just interaction with some younger players outstanding. And Lena Cellmark is a young goalie that we understand that. There's there's always going to be in their development, and at times, he was amazing this year times that you know, there's certainly goes that he wanted to have. Back and he's a guy that we certainly want to continue to work with. But I would say our goal is know that they can be and we'll be better. And I think it's more of us looking at a structure defensively and trying to limit our chances if you look at high danger zone chances in front of the slot. We were always at the bottom league of that. That's something that we have to have to address. What would you say? The percentage is that Jeff Skinner's sabre next year. I hope it's a high percentage, and it look it's something that we've always talked about like it's been a talked about it in my press conference last couple of days ago. Like both sides continue wanna make wanna get a deal done because I strongly believe the relationship has been positive for both sides. Just got forty goals this year. I think we put them in positions. Where he was able to have success, obviously for us. He came in and brought enthusiasm tar group, and it was something. I probably underestimated a little bit just how excited that was Yutian got for jackal or a Sam Reinhart or wrestling. And like it wasn't something. That's in the future. Here's a player that came into our group right away and help their group right away and his his two nasty as excitement. When are we scored a goal, especially in the fall was exciting for our group and relationships he built with some of star players. But also some of our young players you really helped out Casey middle stat and rasps stolen this year. So it was a very positive relation from our standpoint. We think the same thing from Jeff's. And yes, we don't have a deal done. But we're certainly going to be working and try to get something done place before July first last one from me, we're about an hour away. Just a little bit over an hour away from the draft lottery. You have a couple of picks in the first round. Are they sacred? Are they saying? Cred? Well, I think as I just mentioned before we moved one of it for a defenseman Brennan martyr. You're always going to look at different situations that could help your team right now. I think where the first one's going to be certainly in the top eight. It's always going to be difficult to move that one. That's one of the your talk to your scouting staff your extreme excited about the players that you're going to get there. So as we sit even last year, you're always listening, but in the back of your mind, the top pick your or somewhere in that top eight it's probably went onto that one last one for me Jason you're in Pittsburgh, and you saw a lot good bad fantastic. Like you saw a lot. This is the first two years where you've been in that chair where you're the pilot. And what have you learned about what it's like to be in that chair in this league? Well, there's certainly a lot of attention. And there's a lot of pressure that goes along with it. It's still at same excitement. Like what I enjoyed of my job. And Pittsburgh so much was working with experience in those players go up to Pittsburgh, and especially in sixteen and seventeen when so many of those players were part of the Stanley Cup runs there. And it's the excitement that I have in this organization right now in buffalo is just the young players like they get better. And you see a player like San Reinhard maturing. And and really taking a step in his development this year, you see young player like rasps Dolan coming to buffalo in August. You know, and you're wondering if you can get everything in order, and then he goes out and plays eighty two games and beat some records on passes. Bobby orange some things like it's absolutely amazing. And it's fun to watch that. And you realize you're certainly going to be under scrutiny, and it's important to surround yourself with good people. And that's where I feel very comfortable. The having Randy Sexton, Steve Greeley as to assistance, and and I feel very comfortable with the staff that we've developed both in buffalo and Rochester. But also out in the scouting fields are pro staffer mature staff development staff, and those are the people that I feel comfortable with. And I know that ultimately it's gonna be my decision, and I'm the one responsible, but I feel I'm getting some really good information. And that's excited that we're building that type of organization we're very proud of our success down in Cincinnati R U H L team was regular season champions. You look at six in Rochester with not only players getting up to buffalo this year but battle in Syracuse for the division title. We understand we have work to be done in buffalo. But we're very proud of the first half the season. I two thirds of the season. Now have to improve on that the last little bit. It's an interesting team. And we always generally find ourselves parking some time talking about the savers so far this season on the podcast best of luck. Tonight's with the lucky tie. Hope. They're brings you what you want. Jason. Thanks for doing this. Thank you have. Jason bottle of the Buffalo Sabres their general manager the sabers will selected seventh overall in June at the Vancouver draft the third overall selection in the two thousand nineteen NHL draft belongs to the Chicago Blackhawks Chicago, we'll select third. They move all the way up from the twelve spot, three Stanley Cups. This decade came tapes Keith and now a number three picking June in Vancouver for the hawks. And then there were two and the next card revealed by deputy Commissioner Bill Daly is the winner of the two thousand nineteen and H L draft lottery. The first overall selection in the two thousand nineteen NHL draft belongs to the New Jersey Devils that leaves ratio Elliott Friedman general manager of the New Jersey Devils gracious after his big win number of media responsibilities. He had to attend to park some time for the thirty one. Podcast ratio a few moments after the New Jersey Devils won the lottery first overall. Well, this is a treat. Please welcome to the pike cast ratio. The general manager of the New Jersey Devils who will select first overall this year, the NHL draft half ask is it a lucky tie lucky pair of socks and he type of ritual or is it Taylor hall? What was the charm this time Ray, honestly, two things. Well, last time two years ago when we went went from five to one and then when I got interviewed right after tonight by Catherine Tappin hosted and she asked that question any like superstitions ties or coins, I'm like, Nope. And I didn't have any except that when I walked in that night, Katherine, and she was wearing a red jacket or something I said, well, maybe that's because she's from jersey, she went to Rutgers from jersey, she's my lucky charm. So he's tired tonight, orange jacket. And but I after when I said, it wasn't the orange jacket has just figure jersey girl was you know, so that was kind of the jersey thing and those superstitions. But it's an incredible thing for our franchise. And as you know, we had our press conference yesterday. And you know, the biggest need for the devils. I said was was more talent. And this certainly is a goes a long way toward the cheating that and plus with three second round picks to third round picks. And so we have ten picks. And anyway, that's that's awesome. And but the lottery have the Rangers up there in Chicago. And that was something that it was for the devils and looking forward to more those it's Hughes lock. He's rated number one in a lot of places and I've seen Jack play a lot. And you know, it's really proud to the USA hockey guy guess into see that the growth Nye game. And Jack, I've known his father for a long time. Jimmy, and and again, I know proclamations, but I think. I said that the chance to draft someone Jackie is fantastic. And now we have that chance, and we'll see and this is the first year that obviously the draft lottery has been moved up right after the season before it was much later after the eighteenth and so forth. So I think is a great thing. And I know so many tax mention calls already gotten and. I mean, there's cows are obviously so excited, and it's a great thing. And we'll see what happens in June. But as I say, yes, I'll say the the chance to draft someone like Jack is is fantastic franchise. And there's some great players in at the top. And as always say, there's there's a hall of fame player in the draft everywhere. That's not going to be the first round there'll be some there. But we some of the six hundred always happens, and that's up to our scouts, the find it, and but again, great for us and the ability of slacked, I for us and get this going again when the camera pans you, and you were introduced you're laughing at something it was it was Luc Robitaille next to me because they show Ken, Holland for some reason, I look at it. Kenny was said something about Kenny. And then I started laughing, and then came onto me, I'm laughing, and I look they Kenny and also it goes the Lucan he's just straight face. And he's the one the crack jokes, and I was laughing, and it was it's it's. Move back. And if you do you do and you'll see a team like Colorado from one to four twice now. But seeing what Colorado's done, and they got a great player in car coming and Josie when Lieven to go to a playoff game during great shape, they're going to be right player. And what's it start getting down there? And so on jumps up that that high and we're picking third. That's when you really started getting nervous. And that's what I think it was standing we're up there when he we're standing there waiting, and he is holy cow. It wasn't till that nervous in Jeff Gordon. Same like holy cow. They like, you know, you're kind of preparing yourself for not that. But when those get closer, you get pretty nervous, I can recall in two thousand seventeen having a conversation with you. And you talked about a certain point in the season. You said to yourself una need to get my eyeballs on some of these kids, I need to get out there and see them was there a point this year. We said yourself it's important for me to be on the road in the ring seeing these kids that I did it was it was posted line trade deadline. That I did that again. And I'll it does. It's very helpful to. I'd say just as I said the teens this being before that the tournament because I don't know Kako is going to be there the world champions instead. But. For every team, you know, knowing what do you have in the first round. But seeing those kids there, I think it's really good. And then, you know, the world champs at, but it's really helpful to have it earlier. It is good. It's after the deadline to get out the road and podcast amateur scout. And it's a bunch of games. It was it was really good in the reconnecting just on the images ampler scouts from our team. But from different teams and see these players, you know, but once you start picking him and over on your scouts. You're in trouble. But it was nice to get out there and see it, you know, last year was actually better because I didn't have the opportunity to do that because we were fighting for a playoff spot made it so that was better. It's been a quite a week for you ready contract extension. And now the number one pick and the natural draft. Congratulations. Thank you very much, Elliot. I appreciate that. And Josh David Blitzer, our managing partners and very thankful. What they've when they hired me and certainly faith in what we're doing. And so that was good. And I'm glad they actually announced yesterday because we don't want a lottery. On that'd be. Tiny might have been good. Yes. On the way the lottery is you? We were planning our last game and in Florida, and we played actually played. It was great to see Carolina Jala game on Thursday and Carolina. They made the plus three to one empty net was a game and see that crowd again. And I they made us no nine Pittsburgh, let me finals and for Dell. And and then you go to Florida and that tornado really competitive teams two teams that were out to nothing three one. They came back and tied it and it can't help read. Well, if we do this, and he does that. That's not the way it works. I mean, your players wanna win and they tied at three three though. And then they shot the puck over the glass with twenty seconds left. And we went on a power plant one and that lower chances. But I think the way it turned out we would have been too. And if we had been to then we wouldn't have one you know, what I mean? So anybody says that? Three to move down right to five. So so we won the game away. Guys played hard. It was great to see. And and we got the number one pick. So the whole idea players or teams like you can't control it. And this is how it goes. And as they say it's going to be what it's going to be. And I'm glad it was what it was. Well, Ray you've got more media. Do congratulations. Great work for you. And you know, the Yankees when they were dominant. They had a system starter went seven innings, and then Mary Rivera came in the last two, so Andy Pettitte ratio. Thank you very much for going. The first seven I'm gonna turn it over to Hugh ever the team president for the last two. For rain. Thanks very much. Congratulations. So we're gonna continue the interview with whoever the president of devils in your in the room. So you're not allowed to have a cellphone, right? No. So it's like it was my first time at the NHL doing this back of house experience for the lottery, and I tell you it's more like jury duty than it is, you know. Fancy stuff that rig to do sitting on stage and getting kind of all the fancy stuff. But so, yeah, they take your cell phone. They put it in an envelope. As if it's like toxic or something they put it in a drawer, and then you sit in a room with a bunch of accounts. They draw the balls up. They literally hand you a sheet with a thousand number combinations on it of which you can't keep track. So it's not like, bingo, and they read off or numbers that I had no clue what they were. They said what's the New Jersey Devils combination? So they actually went I and so at that point, you know, it's kind of like what everyone's getting Christmas. Can't tell them, you know. So you're just you're stuck in this room and you're super excited, but you don't wanna be too excited because you got your peers around you who are do. Handy for chill. Yeah. So it was really cool experience. But a great day for the franchise as you mentioned. It's a wonderful day for the New Jersey Devils wonderful day for you wonderful day for a wonderful day for everyone in the organization. Who's texted you so far? Oh my God. There any surprises. There are surprises. Long-lost aunts and uncles never wanted. No. I mean, it's like this is what's great about these types of events as they transcend, just the sport there, you know, newsworthy beyond anything else. So yeah, it's gonna be a fun night organizations work super hard. As Ray said, our coaching staff are scouts even our ticket sellers. We've had people I've been texting twenty prepare for tomorrow for what we think is going to be a lot of excitement with our fan base. So busy night and good night. Right. Kind of busy. You want your organization for sure? So this is the second time three years, you're gonna have the number one pick your focused, obviously business. What does winning the lottery do for the business of NHL team for those teams that are not fortunate to make the playoffs which are really the narrative you're trying to get across your fan base. Is that you've got a plan that you got hope? Right. So they actually is a reason that we're doing what we're doing. So it was important yesterday. When. We did our press Ville ability that we raise extension that. This was not a fluke that we took a step back or we're disappointed in the year. And that we're going to change course, it was important that even with during the mid year when the season wasn't necessarily going as planned that we extended John Heinz. We have a plan. We know we're sticking to it a lot of work and diligence around it and yet it's hard for our fans tangibly to see that. Right. They say, okay, great. You know, raise here. John's here, we we like them too. But what are you guys going to do? Are you gonna spend it free agency? You're going you're going to build to the draft. How you doing it? And so this is just a real more tangible way that are fans go holy heck. And so my Twitter account everything else is blowing up. So it's obviously, you know, something they feel really emotional about. And our fans deserve it. Kennedy. Does this make it easier? You mention the offseason and free agency. When you have a first overall pick as Elliot mentioned Nico shirk couple years ago. And now we all suspect it'll be Jack use is that make it easier. Do you think for a to go shopping in the off season? So I think what we talked about over the long term. It's been building assets that Ray can can go out and build a team. So we know that you have to do it in the right order. Josh Harrison, David butcher have been very explicit with Ray, which was like we'll spend you just tell us when and how and what we need to do. The fact was is that when they took over four years ago, you know, what we had in our system necessarily didn't fit what we wanted to be future. So to actually walk through our entire every player over the last four years and look at what he's done to change is one thing. But to do it off the ice as well. Raise got about eighty five people on staff, and I would say ninety five percent of Merle been there since he's been there. So there's been a lot of investment analytics. Sports science. You know, scouting doubling the staff all that stuff is really critically important, but Ray has been really diligent saying, listen when the time is right. We'll go find those free agents. We've seen him do it in the trade, you know market. And I think what he's going into this draft is, you know, he's got ten picks in a really solid draft. He's got the number one pick. He's a smart guy. He's he likes optionality. And so I think that this is again an important summer for us. But I think it's one that's building upon things. We've already done how long were you in that room? After you knew you had the pick took an hour and a half felt like about six days. I wanted to shout. It was like before the show even started on air. We were already done. And so they're nice enough to provide some snacks and some things. But yeah, it's brutal described the conversations. Staring. The most daggers. It's funny because there's everyone is appreciative of the fact that they're not going to, you know, steal your joy. But but at the same time, I don't on the other side as well. We all have where you're expecting hoping that you'll get at least what you're you've been granted by the draft water, but doesn't always fall that way. So it's nice. When it does doesn't again like Elliott mentioned and through the New Jersey Devils organization congrats to you Ray look forward to June in Vancouver as you do as well. We'll see in a couple of months, congratulations. Thanks very much. There's no way like Rivera. There's no way Ray. Thank you my job. Terminator. Well. Okay. That was great and nice closer reference there. Well, then Elliott Friedman wanna thank all of our guests dropping by today. Del talent GM with the Florida Panthers. Jim Benning GM of the Vancouver Canucks. Chase in Bochum seem of the Buffalo Sabres ratio. Congratulations. Again, New Jersey general manager of the New Jersey Devils and devils presidents, Hugh Weber. We will leave you with on by the way, thanks for sticking. If you're hearing me right now, thanks for sticking with us. This was wrong podcast this. When was a marathon, we knew it'd be big and all these gems were very gracious with their time. And right now as we close off what time is it animal? It is nine thirty five eastern. We've been here Elliott, and I had to do the preview show. We got here around ten o'clock this morning. It's been a long day. We have earned our pillows tonight. We hope you've enjoyed this podcast. We will leave you with a Leaf's fan from Halifax who's based in Montreal producer, dead horse beets, aka Patrick way. Is set to release his LP England Tara at the end of me. Here's a dead horse speeds with the single from that LP. Please. Joan.

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Rangers are rolling

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Rangers are rolling

"The. That game misconduct podcast with Don la- Greco and welcome to the Wednesday game has conduct. I am down the Greco. Lots to go over last night. Lot of interesting games Rangers. When their fourth row first time in a calendar year that they won four in a row. You gotta go back to last year between November second of eleven. They had a six game winning streak. Now, they've got a four game winning streak. And this one was just a lot of fun to watch a lot of fun to be at Rangers spotted Bont you all three to one lead the Angelo scores late in the second period. Big at three two three unanswered goals for the third for the Rangers. They win five three and the figure out Carey price at one eight of nine meetings with Henrik Lundqvist. Hank was good again last night, and Kevin Hayes has three assists. But what got everybody buzzing about last night's victory was Neil PR. There's so much promise around this kid. They really haven't had appointment on the power play men that can be offensive since Brian Leetch. And I'm not saying he's Brian Leetch. Believe me, we got a long way to go before we start talking about and being a future hall of Famer. But he. Coast to coast late and third period. Snap a three three tie just a gorgeous goal and this after he pinched early in the game that cost the Rangers goal went to tar score twenty three seconds since we made up for it. Good kid, and that's got a lot of ranger fans buzzing here is they've won four in a row. They're going on the road to play Friday in Detroit Saturday in Columbus with a chance to get above five hundred see if they can stay there. So a lot of things coming out of the Rangers victory. They finally played while in the third period after having that be a problem now for the last couple of weeks to dominate a good hockey team in Montreal. Maybe the Canadians were a little tired from playing the night before and having overcome a three one deficit boot against the islanders in Brooklyn. But the Rangers don't care. They win the game five to three and win their fourth in a row. Disturbing loss for the devils. They had a to nothing lead early on Ottawa from goals from hall and Palmeri arguably the best line in the National Hockey League along with this year, but the devils Kansas state at very early similar to the Tampa game last week when the devils took a quick to nothing lead. Only to get crushed eight to three last night. They lose to Ottawa Seventy-three. Now's a couple of different places. We can go here. You can throw Cory Snyder under the bus if you want. Now there were a couple of bad goals and he's to now's coming back from the hip injury. But forty two shots on goal for an Ottawa Senators team that's not reminding anybody of the ninety one penguins. So the defensive coverage was not good. You could tell me the devils had that spirited win over Pittsburgh the night before maybe they had tired legs. They had a lot going in the first period. Couldn't sustain it. There's a lot of excuses you can make. But with the controversy surrounding who is the number one goaltender on this team. Both Snyder and Kincaid have had stinkers over the last week, but certainly can Cade giving up. Eight goals to Tampa pales in comparison to seven goals given up to Ottawa so Steiner's got a battle for that. Number one job tough loss for the devils. They fall seven three and a good job out of Ottawa bouncing back after getting crushed in buffalo on Saturday giving up nine goals. So nice win as it was Mark stone with five points, two goals and three assists for auto Toronto beats Vegas three to one survey. Still in that Malays is Toronto's now when a couple of games in a row now and even five hundred and the four games without Austin Matthews. Columbus excited to see them on Saturday. I'll see them live for the first time this year, they beat Dallas four to one as there's four different goal scores for the blue jackets, including Anthony declare has been a nice story with a six goal of the season for the blue jackets Detroit trying to warm up a little bit here. They hold off and cougar three to Vancouver jumped out to a quick to nothing lead in this one. As Pederson scored his tenth on the season. So he's the front runner for the colder trophy and Vancouver. Took to nothing lead early in the second period on Hutton's third, but an advocate or makes it to one a little bit later on. It would be Nyquist two scores early in the third period of tight and they go to the shootout and Larkin gets a shootout goal. And it stands as Detroit picks up three to win in the shootout over Vancouver. But a nice point on the road for the canonical though. I'm sure they're looking. They're one's a little bit. At the fact that they blew the to nothing lead. But it did have forty two shots on goal in this game. Which is outstanding for a Vancouver's? Getting a lot of rubber. So nice job. I Detroit I'll get to see them live for the first time coming up on Friday at the brand new arena. So I'm looking forward to seeing Detroit for the first time so far this year. And I mentioned the forty two shots on goal. Howard makes forty saves. So Jimmy Howard is legitimate goaltender that can keep a rebuilding Detroit's even a lot of these games. Tampa beats Edmonton the final score. There was five to two that was an NBC sports net game. So again, a Canadian team getting some love Steven stamkos starting to warm up a bit. He now has five goals on the season. Kucherov gets a couple of tally six and seven on the year. He also assisted on the stamkos goal. Also. Stamkos ends up the night. Playing very wellness. One is. Mentioned he had the goal his fifth of the season. The also finished with three points as he also had a couple of cysts in the whim, Saint Louis. Four two one win over Carolina Hurricanes. Get a ton of shots on goal thirty nine but just didn't get any quality goaltending. They lose a game. Despite holding the blues to twenty shots on goal fabric gets his first of the year. Also, Ryan Riley gets a couple of goals numbers five and six on the year. So you give up four goals on twenty shots. Just not a good night for the Carolina Hurricanes at all. So they get a ton of shots. Don't give up. Very many just didn't get the goaltending. Mcelhinney of giving up three goals on nineteen shots is the fourth goal was an empty netter Willie does yard and makes his debut as head coach of the Los Angeles Kings at a four to one win over the duck. So that's always a good sign when you make the co coaching change in the media pays dividends. Dustin Brown gets his fourth of the year. Coble Chuck gets his fifth of the season Clifford into fully tallies. A lot of rumblings. And I don't know how true it is. But we were discussing where Joel Quenneville we'll go after being fired by the Chicago Blackhawks you're hearing some rubers that if the Anaheim ducks decide to cut ties with Randy Carlyle could Joel Quenneville be destined to go to Anaheim. There's still talent there when they get healthy. I'm sure the duck don't wanna give up quite yet on what they have. So do you. The to Joel Quenneville if you decide to make a coaching change because you take a look at the standings right now Anaheim got off to that quick star. But right now struggling at six seven and three so they're officially under five hundred right now keep an eye on that Minnesota gets cooled off in San Jose as the sharks win four two three again limited amount of shots for both teams. But only twenty two for San Jose. Joe Thornton gets a second goal of the year that made it to nothing Parisi who's been hot scores a goal to make it five one. But it would be San Jose the rest of the way, so the sharks a nice win over Philadelphia in overtime over the weekend. They get a good win against a red hot Minnesota team. So maybe the San Jose Sharks are starting to find their sea legs here with all the expectation resting on them discussions about let go Pete the boar that was also a possible destination for Joel Quenneville if there was going to be a firing there. But you hold off the dogs for a day. Be a really good. Minnesota wild team at home by the final four two one three games tonight. But all. All of them. Very interesting. Yeah. The penguins and the capital's from Washington to teams that have the exact record six four and three capitals have been trying to find their way penguins. Four straight losses. So that's a good one for NBC sports net at seven thirty in the second game of the doubleheader avalanche and the predators. Rematch of last year's first round playoff series with the avalanche gave Nashville all that. They can handle it seems like whenever the avalanche play goals aplenty. So the this could be a good one here in an ten thirty the flames of the ducks or the second back toback. So the ducks after not looking good in Los Angeles against the flames team, that's really lighting the lamp their nine five and one so far to start the season. So a lot of good hockey tonight. Even though there's just three games or let's hear from you at download Greta hashtag game is conduct. And let's go to Troy he says what options do the New Jersey Devils have to move Snyder. Is there a team out there who is desperate enough to gamble that? He'll improve the change in scenery. Now, you have Eddie lack. Has the backup goaltender can Cade. So the devils do have numbers as far as goaltending is concern. Here's the thing that really does not play well for Snider, okay? Lou Lamoriello traded for him. We talked about the CJ on Monday. So Shiro has no allegiance to Snyder. I mean, so if he feels he can move them he will now who needs a goaltender who believes you got. You got a player that is struggled. He lost his job time last year. He's coming up a hip injury. I'm not really sure the devils are going to get really anything for him. Plus, he's got a pretty big contract. So you're gonna have to try to find a team that's desperate for goaltending. That somehow believes you say Troy the change of scenery bring out the best in him. We know he's got the ability. He is shown flashes that he can be a really good goaltender in this league. But with the contract with the salary cap, I just not sure you're gonna get a lot back for him. But if he continues to play poorly, then he's just not gonna play despite how much money he's making despite the trade with Vancouver. Right now. This is a team that is a really tough division. They've kind of been up and down after the quick foreign start. So I don't really think you're gonna see John Heinz messing around. He's going to give the goaltender the shot that gives them the best chance to win. And he's not gonna worry too much about money. Let's see 'em says what a fun game for the Rangers last night. Just wondering how much longer the Rangers are going to keep MacLeod on the roster. It's a great question. It's actually a question that David Quinn addressed couple of games ago because when you look at the Rangers and how they're constituted. And when you look at what's happening with the league. Now, can you afford to have cloud on your team that's gonna play about eight minutes, and maybe not play at the pace that you want to play when you were going at your best. Now the answer. David Quinn says he still believes that this is a physical game. He still believes that there is room for that. But I'm just not sure when you have a fourth line say. Where you have like Leterrier in Spooner. You're you're not gonna play those guys very much because you just don't want cloud to be out there last night. He got into it took a ton of penalty minutes in. What was a crazy second period against Montreal? Where it just seemed like we played very little five on five and those twenty minutes, the Rangers feel like there are times. And there are teams where he seems to be a fit Lee Anderson played last night played pretty well, though. He did take a couple of high sticking penalties. It's an interesting dilemma to be and is there room for players like that in the National Hockey League anymore. I tell you what if you do feel like you're getting pushed around you're gonna wish you had them. But there's going to be nights where it's a track meet out there and just doesn't make a lot of sense to play literally shorthand because you're not sure McLeod can go out there and play. I still think he's got some skills. So I'm not gonna completely diminish his ability to play at an elite level scoring goals and being able to skate, but the minutes don't lie and when you're going up against a team like last night with Montreal. Whether you've got a lot of. Kids and a lot of speed just you wonder if you just put yourself at a bit of a disadvantage there. So it's a great question and something that has been discussed among the Rangers for sure Sam D as Dan great to see the Rangers on a streak well-deserved as they have gone out and competed for most of the games this season. Besides Henrik playing out of his mind. Why do you think they're winning now right lineups? Better defense puck bouncing in their favor. There's a lot of things at play. Here you call it. The ducks aren't a very good team. And you had to beat them in the shootout, you seem to have San Jose's number. You beat them in a shootout buffalo that was a good legitimate win for them buffaloes a pretty good team. And then last night yet Montreal rolling in here. And I guess you could make the excuse to Montreal played the night before but still a win win and dominant third period. I think that the level the peon is playing at I think Kevin Hayes is starting to play better. I think the answer. Sam is the players are starting to grow into their roles. A little bit butchnevich responded with a goal last night after being. Benched in the previous couple of games. So they're starting to respond to the coach they're starting to get a little bit of chemistry. I think that four game road trip. The Rangers went five hundred winning the last two games, maybe brought them together. So they won the back end of the four game road trip. They've won the first two game since coming back from the road trip. We'll see what they do later in the week. But I just think it's allowing the process now to mature your fifteen games into the season now. And I think it means something that you're starting to play better hockey. So this is what you hope is more. What the Rangers are going to be moving forward. And we'll see as time moves on whether that ends up being the case or not Yoda says who do you see the Rangers trading Hayes to make room down the middle for how'd and he'll and Anderson needing ice time. Do you see the haze getting traded? We'll see I mean Hayes starting to play better. Now, if the Rangers feel that they're competitive do you want to have that young of center, right? So you'd have savannah Jad. But then you have a young how. You'd have a young he'll you'd have a young Anderson for a team that does want to compete now, they want to take a look at the kids, but you heard kind of nasty response from David Quinn before the game on Sunday when the word rebuild was used. And he seemed to kind of get aggravated say, hey, we're trying to win games. Can you win games with three young centers? So they might just hold onto Hayes until they feel they're out of it. And then somebody might trade for a rental because it is the last year of his contract. So right now, I think the Rangers have Hayes in their plans as long as they continue to win forever t h has random thought. But what about the NHL having opening night as an outdoor game at a random city in the US a neutral site for both teams and defending Cup champs or in it just like NFL does with the opening game would give it a different feel thoughts. Well, I guess my thoughts are the NHL wouldn't have an appetite for that forever t h because of the level of competition that you face in October. Okay. When you open up the season. What do you have while you have the NFL going on in a lot of the city's? So you wouldn't want to do anything on the weekend? Like, you wouldn't want to open up on a Sunday going up against the NFL. So now you're talking about having an outdoor game during the week, which which is going to sap a lot of your momentum. And you could do it on a Saturday. You are going against college football. But you can make the case that on New Year's day. You're kinda going up against college football. I mean, you could do that the other thing you run into is you've got playoff baseball, and that's gonna take up a lot of room to. So there's no perfect answer for it. Because it seems like there's always competition when the NHL decides to play if you're going to have an opening night like that. And you're gonna have a big moment you'd like to least have a chance to be able to take center stage and to do that. And what if you did the Bruins, right? And you had the Bruins playing at Fenway park. You can't play Fenway park is what if the Red Sox are running, you know, getting a chance to go to the World Series. So it just seems like it could be some scheduling conflicts. It seems like they can find some competition to not really get the love. I love. The way you're thinking I do. But I just not sure that the NHL would wanna go there because of the level of competition. John says Donnie some ranger fans are mad. They're winning in fear that they won't get that difference maker of a player via draft. What if that difference maker is already on the team and is only being realized through tactics by Quin? I listen, I don't even get me started on tanking. I don't believe in tanking. I believe you go out there and try to win every game that you can let the chips fall where they may. You don't wanna losing culture. I don't know right now intimately what's coming out of the draft that you're going to know is going to be a surefire need that player. I don't think the Rangers have less talent where they can compete to be the worst team in the league. I mean can can do that. I don't I don't think. So. So if you know, you're not going to be the worst team in the league. And you think you got a chance to make the playoffs when you've got a bunch of kids who never experienced that before you wanna try to go forward and win. And I and I and I look at the way this team has played recently. And I. At this advantage ads in the Crowder's and the Hayes and the way that he'll is played. I thought he had a good game last night. You see the emergence of PR Brady Shays been able to give you in a couple years in the league. I want those guys to experience the postseason. I wanna try to see this team get into the playoff. So I hate to hear about, you know, lose on purpose. Get a difference maker and a Hank wants to win games. And he's gonna keep you in every game. And I tell you get into a playoff series, and maybe hang steals. A couple of games, and you win you never know. So I know it sounds like a pipe dream. We're talking about a seven seven and one team about going to the playoffs. They flirted and have been in the basement of the metropolitan division for most of the year. But you go out there to win. That's what David Quinn wants to do. That's what this ranger organization wants to do. They want to do with kids. They wanna try to have more of an eye on the future. But not at the expense of giving up on a season. And you're right. Maybe peon turns out to be that player. Anderson. He'll how'd and there's some guys that they still have in the minor league that they feel that can eventually come up if not this year, but next year, so no any ranger fan that. Ads. They're winning. Just bothered me. When you hear that a five minute major says, hey, Don, as you know, the flyers have very solid goaltending prospect and the H L named Carter heart at one point. Do you think we see him play with the big club this season? While I've talked a lot with EJ radical, you know, every Monday and his name has come up quite a bit. And the feeling was he was not ready last year. Hextall did not wanna bring him up. So I don't know what his status is right now. Philadelphia surely certainly is not played at a level where you think this is going to be necessarily a slam dunk playoff team. I don't know if they want to put him into a situation that he's not ready for it still seems like he's a year away. All try to check in and see maybe jail. No. We talked to him on Monday Alaska few of the scouts that. Sometimes see these games if they've had a chance to see him but the commitment in Philadelphia's when he is ready to play he will play. So if he's ready, maybe if not then I feel like he will. Down in the minor leagues. Anwar fanatic says it is official Donna and falling in love with this ranger team all over again, especially after last night's win. The think it's time to say this rebuild might not last as long as people think I never felt it being along rebelled either. I really thought this was going to be. I hate to use the word reimagining, but rebuilt just doesn't seem to fit because again, they want to be competitive this year. Take a look at the roster. It's not Laden with kids. You've got he'll you've got had Anderson's up. Now, you know peon played all of last year, the Angelo played all of last year. So they've got a lot of entrance on this team. So this idea that they're just going with kids and not really trying just a falsehood. The idea was they're not gonna trade first round picks to try to win right now. They're gonna try to win with what they have and have an eye on the future. But I really felt that if these kids that they have begin to emerge maybe make the playoffs this year in the next year. You're thinking about making that run. So let's say this team. Plays a great level and flirt with the playoffs and makes the playoffs. Maybe they changed their mind. And they'll be in on Carlson if San Jose does a resign him at the end of the year. Maybe they'll get back into the business of trying to win now. But the kind of hit the pause button a little bit. And they still been very very entertaining. So I think people really can complain. Chris says hi, Don, the flyers have a favorable schedule for the rest of the month with seven of nine games at home, including five straight starting tomorrow. If they can't completely turn around the season with the stretch should Hextall. Consider calling Quinn Ville the thing is with Quinn Bill and the same the lane video. I I look at those coaches I mentioned this yesterday as coaches that to me put a Cup team that hasn't been able to get their over the top is Philadelphia there yet it's still a relatively. I I would say younger ishpeming you do have veterans on the team. But with with with Carter heart coming up with some of the young defensemen. That are starting to grow into their own. Is this a team that feels like they can win right away? If that's the case, and they feel there are coach away. Then you make a call to av. You make a call to Quin Ville, but young coach might be the direction that they're going into. But I do agree this stretch that they have will really tell you. If this is a good team or not and we'll see. Robert says come from behind win for the Rangers with great contributions from the younger players. I did I didn't hear the radio kkov Appiani skull was certainly worthy of Maloney scream. No scream from Aloni. I think he just was a falling over and and comparing him to Bobby ORR in it was kind of a Bob your move for sure. But peon just had everybody buzzing. Brian says it was almost like an NHL ninety four goal, which is completely realistic. Really good stuff from peon class night. Haywood w says, I know I am late for games conduct. But the Blackhawks leading Joel Quenneville go is a mistake. He brought cups to them. If you don't like him. Don't start the season with him, smells like the lore firing of the aloof firing with Cleveland while I agree with you. When you file because that's what the Cavaliers did they fired Liu so early in the season like six seven games into the season. Why didn't you do it during the off year, the more and more? I'm hearing even after I did game conduct yesterday. Is that Scotty Bowman may have had a real influence in this. I kinda suggested it yesterday stand Bowman's father. Scotty Bowman Scotty Bowman to me is the greatest coach in the history of the NHL and should be in the conversation is one of the greatest coaches in the history of sports. I don't think he particularly like Joe Clin Ville. So when you dancing, you're saying, Joel. This jolt that I'm not sure he's that great guy as a coach I wonder if that kinda snuck in his head a little bit because of the cups, they probably gave him the benefit of that. After missing the playoffs one season and wanted to give him a start expecting something got off to a pretty decent. Start. You waited a little while longer. Now, you fell to five hundred and they pulled the trigger. So I'm with you. I would have done it during the off season given a coach training camp and a fresh start. But I guess the cups bought him a month and a half. They weren't impressed with that month and a half and banged him. I don't think anybody is ever going to say the Joel Quenneville wasn't the best thing that ever happened to the Blackhawks, but very very few people get a Don Shula moment. Or a Scotty Bowman moment where they get the walk away on their own terms. Even the greatest coaches get fired so Sutter got fired in Los Angeles, despite winning two Stanley Cups. I mean, it just happens. But I think when Ville will end up in Anaheim, maybe Saint Louis there's a couple of other coaches, we anybody get fired lashed here. We're going to firings. This year. Probably one of the reasons we didn't see firings last year's because guys almost got let go and they were given a reprieve just to get fired in the first couple of weeks of the next season. So I think they'll be some more firings. There's a couple of jobs that could be lost in Anaheim in Saint Louis. Philadelphia will see what happens there if they don't turn it around as Chris suggested with this easier schedule over the next nine games. So should be a lot of fun to keep an eye on enjoy the game tonight back with again tomorrow. This was the Wednesday games conduct listening to gain misconduct podcast looking for more on the Greco. Hear him on the Michael Kay show. Weekdays from three seven pm on ninety eight point seven ESPN in New York and worldwide on the ESPN app. I don't forget to subscribe to the game misconduct podcast on the ESPN app. Google play music apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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The Kilcoyne Conversation Mark Sauer

"One thing that i've said repeatedly is i love people with great resumes where they sort of switch it up maybe have a different career or go from one big job to the next and the kilcoyne conversation zeroes in on somebody with a more than fascinating resume. Somebody who's also created a new chapter in their life mark sauer. Who was the president of the saint louis blues. He ran the cardinals for a while. He ran the pittsburgh pirates. Not not adverse to controversy either hired by the pirates to sort of gut the team and sell. It had a great run with the blues but at the end bill lawry wanted to sell it and marks our again. The job was slash the budget. We get into all of that. His reputation is sorta the hatchet man that had to kind of always stick to the budget. The controversial. Chris pronger trade. What was it like with the lorries. running busch stadium back in the day with bill. Bidwill and the football cardinals. Were the tenants their marks our worked for the brewery worked for august busch. The third had dealings with stan kroenke back in the day. Fascinating career at that now finds him In his seventies living in florida and the last decade or so he's been real involved sort of inner city projects their kids playing basketball but now even more importantly getting them to the collegiate level not necessarily even sports but just getting kids into college. It's really his focus right now. I have to tell you. I enjoyed this conversation as much as we've had in quite some time. He's a trip man. He likes to give me a hard time. As you can tell didn't help that. I couldn't remember the name of his charity. That didn't help. But a lot of fest any topics including the the economics of it all. He really believes to this day. Saint louis can't support three major franchises. He said if you look at all the numbers he said. I haven't looked at them lately. He said but i used to have that stuff. And saint louis was a bit like cincinnati or milwaukee or an indianapolis where major pro sports teams were. All they could handle so. I hope you'll enjoy the visit. I don't know that we're clearing the record on Mark sauer boy. He was there for a lot of good times. Came in was part of the hiring of joel quenneville and that's when of took off once again for the blue so enjoy the kilcoyne conversation as always it's presented by triad bank longtime sponsor. This program make sure check them out. Try it banking dot com or go by and see him there in front neck on clayton road. One block west of lindbergh. If you're a small business owner make sure you talked to. Jim regna and his team at tried bank. Also marie davila corner of clayton and wiedeman road number tony to do this. The last couple of weeks grab the kids. Go for a ride in. See the largest christmas tree in saint louis county got a great display their senior living. But it's also real festive living. That's the way they do it. At morita village. Get that virtual tour at marie. Davila dot com and appliance discounters. Four area locations. Easiest thing to do get online at the appliance. Discounters dot com here. It is without further ado or visit. With mark sauer figure these brands it companies. He worked for and ran seven up. Hannah's bush subsidiaries saint louis blues the saint louis cardinals the pittsburgh pirates mark. This resume If i didn't know any but i'd say you're impressive. But i wouldn't say that to you how are you. It's been way too long to hear from you. And i welcome this opportunity. Chattel now are you doing. I'm doing well. you know. The sports world has been kinda strange but if anything especially back in april or may it gave us a lot of time to kind of dig in do more long-form interviews or more feature type pieces instead of you know we ended up chasing our tail all the time with. Hey somebody went to for three last night and four strike outs or over four and you know some of that stuff can get of boring. I prefer to. Hey you spent your whole life in sports. you know what it's like and escapes. Oh you escaped okay. Let me put you on the spot before we get to. We are bound for glory dot. Org people should check that out because you're doing great work right now college. God i wrote it down. We are bound for college. I went to college. Believe it or not. We are bound for college. The name of the nonprofit is bound for college or website is We are bound for college. Dot org okay. The website we are bound for. We're off to a terrible start. This we are but that's okay. That's okay we we we we. This is bringing back memories for mark of dealing with me. Okay but taking away your work with bound for college. What was your favorite job. Because i mentioned it you work with the ab subsidiaries brewery help refurbish the kheel center blues ten year. Run cardinals pirates. What is one of those jobs. Stand up more than the other walk. Fall is my favorite job. My favorite job was probably the blues. I i had little background in hockey. That's an understatement but The people in hockey the people i worked with at the blues and around the league or delightful I came to really enjoy a lot of aspects of hockey. And i put it above the pittsburgh pirates pittsburgh pirates by far by far the most difficult job i have read and the cardinals when i was involved there under anti bush. Vows a lot of fun to but there's also a lot of corporate pressure and i was younger. I i didn't I you know. I knew how to handle better time. I got to pittsburgh in on the blues and when you were running the cardinals so the brewery owned it but there's all in in saint louis got some gobbledygook so civic center corporation was what that was a piece of the brewery. I was president civic center for. I guess five five years you so. That was the stadium in the nearby real estate. In the garages that we ran the stadium. You know the concession stands the sweets the advertising and all that the in about halfway through that i was very fortunate to be named the Chief operating officer of the card. That's okay and So i that was my by entree into professional sports and Those are the went in is. Your bush was a magnificent company and it was it was i was proud to work for them and they were first class and everything they did in that. That's not only from the beers they sold and everything. They did at the stadium but behind the scenes. They were just a great well. What in joe torry would have been the manager the whole time. You're there out. He i wish there when Whitey left when why did he resign. And then i was ardo group that recruited joe torry to become the manager So i got to joe of pretty. Well he's a wonderful guy wonderful guy in you. You're the pittsburgh they actually had it going right when you got there yet. Jim leyland had bonds. Baena when you first got there. Sort of their heyday. I mean not like seventy missile feed right into the way you like to stereotype swashbuckling. Cost gutter in a corporate animal. I was late. I was going to be nice. What right now. Let's get to it right now. What are the reasons. They hired me. Episkopi president ceo the pittsburgh pirates In ninety one. I was here. March of banks is they had to dismantle Bonds and bonita and blade that it was way too expensive the payroll for the pirates so I had i love pittsburgh. I love everything about the pirates and the community but that was a hard job. Because i had if they wanted to lower the payroll. They've never gone through this before you know they had ownership that it just don't bought the team a few years previously and then we went to the players strike the ninety four ninety five and we sold the team in early ninety six and we got sales tax approved that funded the new stadium so I realize a lot of detail for you in the afternoon. Martin but those are the pieces of what made a Tenure at the pirates very difficult. But i loved it all at the same time but by way you added swashbuckling. I was just going to say hatchet man. But that's okay you but which in pittsburgh brought you in today say. Hey here's the deal. Did you know going in what you're facing. Oh my gosh yeah they they needed the you know one thing. I one of the many things. I learned an arch. Push the garnered is what you know. Come up with your budget. Be realistic and you. You work the budget and you're loyal to ownership and and you put a as good a product as you can afford. And you know. Don't waste anybody's time wringing your hands or complaining off the record to the media just go out and do it and then you come back to saint louis. So you'd had your cardinal experience your abc. I keep saying subsidiary but were you in charge and you when you left the world it always said you were gonna you to run seaworld and busch gardens that kind of stuff and you understand the sports world. Wanna take that job. Let's put it that way. Okay so now you get to come back. Saint louis and it's a. It's a weird time for the blues. Because they just fired. Mike keenan they still had they still had brett hull. They had fired jack win and they were bought. And i think when you got there they probably. It's right around this time of year. They had just found joel quenneville. I believe also. So this was a sequence. They simultanously fired. Jack win in and an appointed me as president and ceo and lanka lot Helped me as a sort of interim general manager and we went out and hired joel window a few months after that was the transition to the quenneville era. I want i bring this up because you know and i think you have been doing for the dismantling of the blues but you were there ten years and i'm being honest here and being sincere. That was a really good run. With quenneville and winning the presidents trophy in advancing to the final the one year two thousand and one and always being really good just couldn't quite get past detroit or colorado stretcher. Every year the blues lost it was the eventual stanley cup champion. And i know you pretty well. But i've always wondered. Did it bother that bielsa blue when actually the ten year run was pretty fruitful. we did. We made the playoffs every year. Except the last year and the the way when at the end Luring couple years into my My tenure at the at the blues presidency of the lorries bought the team from the all parts. And laurie's You know beefed up our payroll Know speaker swashbuckling meal. They really they got. They're going to win a copies. Produc- will not that easy and you know. We won the president's cup in ninety. Nine two thousand and we got to the conference finals loss of lauch in And they wanted that. You like guessing a one in will pay and then and then lory frankly one of the major. This'll sound may be difficult to articulate. i came to the conclusion that the woolly should solvable. They were losing a lot of money. They were not having any fun. They taken a real tough good one aggressive trying to win the cup. That's about the time you remember the naming lights problem with missouri's basketball leaner too. Yeah okay. They went through that and that was plus and they had just they. Weren't they lose a lot of money. They weren't having fun with the blues. They were older. Don't get me wrong. But they never connected with second louis ever connected with anyone in the nhl and it was look. I worked for the owners. I you know. I don't work no sense. I worked for the guy with the thirty two ounce beer and last seat the last of role with the ownership and it was my conclusion that i thought they should sell the team. I persuaded them to do that. And that started the odyssey of showing it to the checketts partnership and during that process We lowered the payroll in that last year. And that was the pond or trey. I think so. You know you can call me or anybody with with that last year when we were were not good and We lowered to pay will but that was part of selling the team. Get that was part of the process. And that's not fun and so did it ever bother you that you got labeled even though you'd been. She never bothered me absolutely not. My job was the or the ten years of the blues and the five or six years of pirates. I sold those teams three times. Pirates wants bluish twice. Remember i sold it to the i was wanting when we sold it we were and then i was running it when the lorry sold the check. Okay so in that period of dozen years or so. I sold two different teams three times. Okay and i want it out. I was really really tired of just tired of the of the business of running team. Frankel wanted out deal. I mean it wasn't your trade was it mandated by ownership or was it. They gave us a bunch of player payroll budget that can only be reached if we traded pomp. Nobody told us betrayed pronger but the only way to get to the number. They wanted when i say they. They had some advisors okay. They had some advisors came up with a number. they said. You've gotta be at that number so wary and i delivered that payroll bump at that point. It was an absolute or they never. They never told the scooter. Trade gave us a payroll budget that that had to be met and the only way to make it was to move on. You mentioned larry. That'd be gm all and you. Larry is still too. He took a lotta shit to but he had some good teams with him. Wait a second. Wait a second. What do you mean. He delivered a lot of good hockey. He still scouting for He's he's scouted a lot of the players that are on that rosca. That woman called. Larry and i are very close friends. We have such blatant laugh when we talk. We talk frequently. And all. I i feel very warmly about a lot of people Back in saint louis and associated with the boos cardinals for that friendship. Great way and i say to crack as he did like when they wouldn't win or advance. He was criticized but he's still involved. He was in the stanley. Cup parade won the cup. What did it feel like. You'd had a ten year run with that. You knew what it was like to be closed and not be able to get through the knocked down the door. Whatever the analogy is would it mean to you and they want it a good night out okay. My my wife. Donna was out of town and I started the was. It was game seven in boston. My memory correct and and i have a couple of buddies down here in florida. We're good hockey fan. Slept blues fans by the wall street. Wall street guys. Who think they know a lot about hockey you know. So they they were. They wanted to go out and watch the game with me. So we started one establishment. In do i remember right. Martin's blues went up two nothing in the first quarter i into the first period. The petro goal may to zip. And that's when. I actually said to myself which is dangerous. I i said to my sitting in the press box. I said they're gonna do it. They're gonna win the deal. I remember. I remember that kim is the blues. Were distinctly distinctly out skiing out hitting boston. Biwott that right it was. It was epic. And you're like obviously it mattered. You go into the evening and then the fellas decided they were having so much fun. Let's go to another establishment through an expert. Okay and then we we. It was like a popcorn and then we went to third one one bar and you probably still got a bill. You probably still got a bill lawry credit cards somewhere so hell is probably free What do you talk to the lorries at all. No no and when they were in short was cranky ever run. They were kind of mortal rivals already. Weren't they so he was never in the picture. I know stan i knew. Stand from before Just various things when he first got involved as a minority owner of the rams and get new and a little bit and then you know the lorries tried to buy the avalanche and the nuggets in the arena in colorado. That phil through. I was not involved that at all. It's just running lose. And then they turn their attention to the saint louis blues and then parkey thereafter went in and bought the package in denver. I have that correct. Yes that is one hundred percent correct. In part of i think with bill lawry what was going to make it all work and this is what i want to get into with. You also is the finances of sport because he thought. Hey if i can bring an nba team. We pair them up. We got the same building and he had the grizzlies the vancouver grizzlies calming. But they were his team at least for a minute. And then i just felt like with bill lawry wants the. Nba thing fell through. I'm not saying he lost interest but it just wasn't going to work. Glad you brought that up because arguably one of my very most interesting part portions of my might my ten years with the blues when the maurice bought us and they did it martin did their people did not do any homework on stage just came in and bought it okay and That was frankly caused for long term alarmed. Because i don't think they knew what they were getting to financially. Okay now that the same time simultaneously without me being involved at all thank. Goodness day negotiated an option to to by the vancouver grizzlies. Okay and I volunteered and they used me to go up to the in couvert to do a financial study of the grizzlies the nba. And what if they were able to to buy the the grizzlies exercise the option by the grizzlies. And move it okay. I concluded a lot of work on this at some talking about us and having some good meals out man. I like the king and crew for about six weeks now. What are those blues. Tickets kept going up every year. I tell you what. I love and cougar. Such a great city. But anyway i concluded that We would have been a a real upside down bad situation to to By the the grizzlies aluminum to saint louis and put him into the saint louis market and it doesn't surprise me. All the rams left. I was running busch stadium when the football cardinals. Okay so I get a lot of experience. A lot of scar tissue with the economics of the nfl. All the leaks. That was my business. You know i had to i. I was responsible for economics. But only the nhl where major league baseball when i was running those respective teams but how those economic stood up against the economics of the over professional each democ sense. You're in you're your perfect person asked because it's been said if they adjust built bill. Bidwill the stadium. We wouldn't have been chasing. The rams were built the dome would be chasing kroenke back l. a. And all this stuff that's happened. Since do you subscribe to that. That if they just got to deal with bidwill now. I believe and i knew bill. Goodwill rather wealth Very show us very shy. And i know we lost them a to bill reshine withdrawn. But i got the little bit. I you know i was the representative anheuser. Busch running the stadium and bush way own that he was playing. It was not a great situation. I think that he never was interested in remaining never and that he was looking for a more vibrant market more growing market with more potentially founded in arizona I think that the size of the market in the desirability to get to that new market place Trump anything set lewis could adopt anything in the rams left. Your reaction is what not frozen history. Just just fill take that last paragraph. I said and change rename of the cardinals to orient. So saint lewis in. Your opinion is just only capable of two major sports team. Correct correct any chance. In the last ten years with the teens. The express scripts and other businesses that popped up. I think it could have changed. No no i think. That's just my opinion that the metropolitan area that let's say the fourth largest metropolitan areas in the country. Okay saint louis. I'm seventy four years old okay. I haven't looked looked at this data for a long long time. But i used to know that data cole. Cold and Say who is. Metro is closer more closely aligned to the likes of kansas city cincinnati indianapolis and milwaukee who each have two professional sports teams. Okay janet is to los angeles or seattle or denver or boston or or or such okay and and it's just a matter of gross national product of metropol. Would she's not that great compared to other places and if people might be offended about what. I'm saying we disagree with the person. The pudding is the only metropol bear you twice whilst an nfl football do different teams. That's hard to new. Bless there's some facts under white that right. I think. I think cleveland lost to you because of the rams years and years and years come on now come on just twenty forty. I don't want to hear about the forty fifth. I'm getting old okay. You're making me feel appliance discounters. A great saint. Louis success story there in maplewood south counting saint charles and baldwin and they carry ge appliances. You know the story to appliance discounters. 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Is that you know auditory. Two games there in winter there at night you know and i could get to the pool in the saw baseball team. You have a lie. You don't have a wife. You know from april through september. You're you're at the ballpark roots or summer. Sure periods. i tell you. I buried the lede. Okay i'm talking to dan mclaughlin and he said ask mark sauer he said ask mark sauer about the night he did my stats at a mizzou and dances. They come out of a break. And he goes dan mclaughlin alongside the missoula legend john son's bold and my statistician tonight. Mark sauer getting back to the just like threw it out there and everybody's like holy shit mark sauer to instead. What was that about crystal ball. Danny and i love basketball by the way the best part is the best part of my job with the blues and and the and the whatever the arenas called what is called out scott trade nolan. It's no it's not this guy. What is it now scalise scatcherd. Why am i blanking on. No they changed it. It's the enterprise. No my god i'm gonna get fired. Enterprise can no more. You're hanging around me and you will forget enterprise. Only one of my best memories is a long way to answer. Is i would always sit next to earl. Lost and who's the guy is ram who you still doing doing it. Do you guys ever changed jobs any. It's like groundhog day. Everybody everybody is still doing exactly what they did. Say louis fourteen and a half years. We don't guys warned about that. We we don't change. We're part of the lack of saint. Louis not moving forward. There's no progress. The we don't change professions. We just change stations all the time. Okay but listen i wanted. I wanted to on this college basketball thing. Because i would sit next to to the right of rural and and they were the biggest homer for the billikens. I've ever and the visiting coaches back. In those days would include guys like calipari and in bob hogan's and hearing homage profanity at the west and his old players like within ten feet away from these guys was so much fun and and calipari was there. was charlie was coaching. The billikens that was fun. But yes damn mclaughlin. I big fan. If i could get into the college basketball game so i went out i it was. It was the brass at missouri And mclaughlin has never had that kind of pre-game analysis for any that he's ever bought. Okay and i sat next to him. Was that the center is probably the her insomnia before the arena. And what will you know a cold. Budweiser after the game. And stated a holiday inn. And i really thought crazy colder by martin and i really thought i was in the big time. That's the fan that i wanted to hear. Mark sauer businessmen budget man is a true hoops fan. And i actually in. This is real serious and i and i'm and i don't want to bring up the tragedy or son but i the moment i remember and i was just starting out at at Fox too is when stanford all teams happens end up in a regional in saint louis makes it to the final four and your sons on the stanford team and i remember running into the stands interview and you were bare as you said. It's not about me. It's about the kids. But at that moment and god rest peter soul makes it to the final four with in the building that you work out of that you run. I mean what are the odds. That could have even happened. But you know what you know. That's a great memory. But peter Gear without stanford you know he was. We live in pittsburgh news player of the year. Pennsylvania was heavily recruited what to stanford three year starter to your cap and they went to the final four when he was junior. He's the captain. And we had i i. I went to a lot of games mark a lot and we had so much fun so much fun along those four years with friendships of players parents and families and I'm still very very close. To the young men compete a wound with at stanford and they were football players and they have been kind enough to keep me in orbit very close in some one guy even innovation stout here with his three daughters With us so that you know there were so many. Highlights highlights a plan when they beat because he's rhode island to get to the final four air was was novel that he was in my building. But i think he was playing. North dakota was still a big deal would have been there either way wherever they would have been playing. A little morrow was on that rhode island team missed a mistake guards to katina. Mobely i think and i. I don't know why some of these names are coming back to me ex coach from ucla. You jim jim. Jim here yes. He was sorta greasy was great players. Get the rhode island all just sort of worked out that way Are let's get to it because what you're doing now i'm going to put words in your mouth and say this is more gratifying than anything you've ever done. Is that fair. Like adult wife and her okay or three different things. I ended up doing. I got a master's degree at columbia. And i was very fortunate to get into international business. Travel the world international play all over the world egypt pakistan india brazil everywhere. Got out of that. After ten years or so found my way day bush and then won the lottery. Powerball when should bush got me involved with civic center the saint louis cardinals okay and then that started was about twenty years in professional sports. Saint louis cardinals. Pittsburgh pirates st louis blues. That's about point-by-point years. Twenty four years. trust me. I was sick and tired of that at the end. Okay like i said sewing. Those teams was hard. You know when you get when you get disgruntled ownership that's hard that's difficult anyway so And then i retired. And i wanted to get before and get to the ocean. I wanted to work with Black it's okay my son's great basketball players and we always had a team foul teams were going on trips. And and and i just i just. I've always felt very comfortable. I was on the board. At herbert hoover boys and girls club under flint fowler work and i just wanted to you know like i and i'm still closer for and flash. I wanna be. I wanna go to florida. Sorta live comedy. Show wanna work with black kids and he said well you better get down there and I did. I stayed teaching and coaching basketball public school. That we've all all minorities was just there half an hour ago and um that started You know path into this college. Prep and tutoring after school. And we have this nonprofit down for college. What we do is raise money so we can pay teachers to stay after school and tutor underprivileged low-income kids on the act sat tests more listing. Listen where you go to college marquette university quality. I bet you did you. Did you get a sixteen hundred on your. Sat's i'm gonna run a stable. I don't remember. But i'm gonna say no okay i did. I didn't do very well okay. So we supply that extra tutoring kids and we have some football players. But i'm i've fallen out of love with open football players. It's time consuming. I've got a kidney. Nfl he's like our sun creek. Wants new orleans and went to central florida. He's had a great career with the saints. And you hear. Mark told me not to call them on a sunday because that's the day it's his holy day to watch the new orleans saints. Thank you don't mess with that but anyway So we've got we're in three high schools. You got united way. Money Tutoring right now about one. Hundred twenty five. Kids got one hundred fifty college in. We are viable sustainable. Nonprofit in it is by far the most satisfying thing. I've ever get any money for this Volunteer my time. And i gave money to start it up and But you know it's it's it's just a a wonderful wonderful retirement gift to myself wonderful so much one bound for college and then the website is we are bound for college downpour and tonight have back. You're doing great work. And i would get these wonderful christmas cards every year with you and it did look like the white shadow. You you coaching. Young african americans. And you'd be in the middle in the middle of the huddle the picture you and my wife and i know who's this i said. Well he used to run the saint louis blues and the saint louis cardinals. What's he doing. Said he's he's in del. Boca vista no delray beach. And and then. So you're doing this work. And we have you on the radio a few years ago and i said sadly mark pulled the kids aside and said we're cutting the budget. We won't be on traffic. I'm just. I'm dismantling the team check. No more no more snack. But mr explain to my wife Donna why i'm doing this interview and who you are so this is the guy who law air if you use a ago. Call me out saying mark. You still cut the budget. Embrace you know ten year old basketball player hearts you know with your bottom line. This is mr sour. How can we can have any gatorade here. You go kid. Here's a spreadsheet on. What's going on her. I gotta tell you this and make sure you talk frank russo model. This opaque make sure you do. Okay i will. I was i was sitting. I've never been. I was just an average high school athlete. Okay wasn't a good basketball player. But coach i can really coach okay. I'm the reverse on the inverse of cruiser model who motto was. Really good player ghetto. But he can't coach with so he knows minority key and i both know cannot coach as he used to come to make our make. Sure make sure when. I get off this call now. I know he's probably doing what a one hour special today on the dismissed the championship. They he was on so you know when he gets passed. That makes you tell them. Mark was talking about and mark scott material. You what you should write a book. I mean how many people were around breath ball contemplating eating book. Serious dig about it. I'm really serious. I'm really serious about year round. Jim leyland bread hall bill. Bidwill august push the fourth. You would have been your boss right. Fourth third thirty. I'm sorry thirty i went. I went down to god i did. I really didn't. I'd reminiscing august busch. The third was a stellar spectacular Ceo and leader in batman did so many things for saint. Louis that saint louis will never know about and i. I wasn't around him a lot. But i was around him enough when he had to make decisions about helping people in flood areas problems in the community. I'll tell you what. I don't know what the legacy of the old old anti bush is. But i hope it's good. Because i was a great company for saint louis break up to legacy and field and i think well i think the the image is been proven correct by so many people who work there that it was a great place to work and that people were treated really really well in that it was a i and now that we're romanticizing it here in saint louis but that it was a special time to have the brewery owned locally Now it's outside ownership. There isn't quite. i'm sure what was the market share back. Then it was ninety percent everybody either. Drink bush wiser and you mean it was a different. It was it. was you know. yeah it was. It's a it's fascinating industry to trace and into hollow because of you know the foreign beers euro beers graph fears all. I know it's i think it's well regarded. I think you know dumb nostalgia and sadness that it's not quite that way anymore. They're i mean they're legendary for every trivia nights town would just call the brewery and they'd say come by friday and grab five cases of beer. You know that kind of stuff is long on. But i think there was plenty of hot shots like you and get on the plane and eating lobster and first class. I'm just assuming that that's how it was. And that's why paid more for my natty light because you and your first class. It's what did you tell your wife say. Hey this guy's kind of an ass but it's gonna be fun. It's interesting my wife. Thought it is still working. She's the chief financial officer of advertise. Okay so I'm actually under her office right now in my car Because we got to do. A running errands So she's she knows. I'm mildly amused by this. You know reminiscent well mark. It's been a lot of fun and love telling the stories. And i have given a lot of shit over the years about but but in truth that ten year run starting in ninety six coming in a tumultuous time after keenan after jack quinn ushering in quenneville began a really good run. Maybe the book maybe the book and include some of those. I don't know if the is if you're allowed to you like the book. It's not going to really address some of the most interesting thing. I've been associated with this. What i'm doing affordable. that's the best. That's the best you know. All this will look back stuff you know you know. I'm i'm still. I've got some great friends. Back in. Saint louis mike claiborne derek. Gould and opposed to plo a bunch of people bunch of people. But i you know the ash with. I don't find that this lookback stuff will be much of interest. I'm just consumed with what's going on with minorities with public education With this crazy place. I live in florida in. it's crazy. okay I love it But it's tricky. And i'm in my seventies And you really go to the beach everyday. Yes you surfin. At times. If i can. Yeah but usually i either ears we. Would you gotta do when you're my age. Martin you've got to take with the ocean gives you so if the oceans flat then you snorkel swim paddleboard. okay If there's a little bit of surf a little bit of surf that mess around with it on my paddle board. I used to surf a little bit more. Okay too old now And then when it's truly rough you just sit on a beach. This is the life. I gotta go back and this is why you're successful. I'm always looking back. You're looking forward that i did. We glendale main street to glendale that i went to cbc then to marquette. And then i moved back in ninety seven and Was i i. I want to say lewis. I'm not poking fun at the media. The sports media sure louis deserve Well by claim but It was it was agreed place. But i see the content. I say you know. I see it through the lens of the nfl teams came and went and You know it was hard so tickets in that lower bowl to the blues games. It was heart you know. I guess it's easy. You wanna cup. That's great but you know we're weird. Baskin eighty ninety bucks back. You know fourteen years ago. Those things were not those tickets from jumping off the shelf. The twenty twenty five dollar tickets pop. They were sold out. You know but we were losing a lot of money back then. It was difficult. But i loved it. It was still fun was hard and by the nba was that was in. You did all that research. And i got obsessed with your your budget vancouver. But was it ever close to come in here or no because you look look. There's not enough. There's not there's not enough. There's not enough of an economic engine in saint louis to support all those teams remember. The rams were that there would have been the nfl. But yeah. I do. Remember the i've got. We were the home. The rams i got a lot of scar tissue from all of that mark. This has been great fun. Look forward to catching up in person at some point martin. I'm i'm amused and flattered your interest. Thank you very much I is a lot of fun working with you. And the the other knuckleheads thank you. Well i hope you enjoyed that one. I really enjoyed doing it talking a lot about the history of mark sauer with the cardinals the blues especially that blues. Run because larry plo. Joel quenneville marks hours. The ceo's a great stretch until the end when they had to sell the team. Things certainly got uglier at the end but covered a lot of ground. There thanks to you for tuning in and make sure you subscribe the kilcoyne conversation. Were on scoops. With danny mac dot com also on itunes google spotify. All that stuff. Wherever you get your podcast get signed up. Then it will go directly to you. Thanks again to our sponsors triad bank. Marie davila senior living and appliance discounters. 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Nov. 8, 2018: Ubergate And Hockey Pranks

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Nov. 8, 2018: Ubergate And Hockey Pranks

"It was hilarious. Who's a you're not heard it? Can you can? Yes. Sake. Swear words, maybe break the stick against the wall on going on the plane, which some TV. Comeback. Maybe say couple other were worse or whatever yell at somebody. And. Couples whereas break to stick on the wall. Tv swearwords, grossly. Last year. We had none during the season. So far this year. We have to coach dismissals we'll get to LA. Let's start with the gentleman who brought Chicago back to greatness tend to forget how bad it was before this version of Chicago Blackhawks arrived, three Stanley Cups eleven seasons. The majority of the wildly successful a rejuvenated, Chicago market, Joel Quenneville out of work. Yeah. Let's get right into it right away. There has long been rumors of a Cold War rift between STAN Bowman and Joel Quenneville and it came up with the media conference on Tuesday. And STAN Bowman said, it's just not true. Was there friction? And was that a problem for you jest? That's because there's no truth that whatsoever. Quite the contrary. I like I said in my opening remarks Joel's, Ben great to me the entire time. We've been together. I would say we have a very good relationship. Do we agree on everything over ten years now? We don't but we see the game. Very similarly. And I think that's one of the reasons we're able to have as much success as we did together. So there's just no truth to that. At all. It was a difficult conversation this morning, and I have asked him about this before. And he said the same thing to me he said, it's not true since I'm actually do agree with says what's wrong with people in a job disagreeing philosophically. He said, I'm sure the Joel is not always happy with my decisions. I'm always happy with what he does. But you worked together. So maybe STAN Bowman doesn't see it the same way that other people see it. But I size MC day because it's the beginning of the end of that black hog tied Assy, you think they're tearing the whole thing. Well, no, I'm just saying one of the biggest pieces is now gone true. And if they win it's not going to be the same way that they won before. Right. Is going to be somebody else. Whether it's debrincat or someone who becomes a big part of this. And number two. I just think that it's hard not to look at this whole thing and say the way it's gone for a decade. They had tremendous success. But it was always uneasy. It was never said there were other times like after the two thousand twelve season. People told me that Quenneville could be out when Mark Berge and got the GM job in in Montreal. I remember Glenn Healy, and I went on on the show, and we said Joel Quenneville could be the next coach and a day or two later Quenneville had an extension. It was almost indirect response to what we talked about. Then you'll last summer we thought that might be it for Glenville, and I like to John McDonough, the president came out and said we had not contemplated decision last year. We didn't have our goaltender would have Corey Crawford. Marion Hosa was out for the season. I thought and I thought it was unfair at the time. If this decision was made after not making the playoffs slamming out the season before it's been playoff failure. And then no playoffs. If that decision was already made what's fifteen extra games gonna tell you. Here's what I wonder. Okay. And this is just you, and I talking everybody who's listening to this a good one because I haven't had a chance to follow it up yet. They're combination number. They were forty ninth. If you add up there were twenty second and one in twenty seventh and the other on special teams so numbers forty nine. And you know, a lot of teams they add up those numbers. Whether it's close to a hundred or were you rank in combination? The fact that both assistant coaches went with Joel Quenneville will first of all Samuelson Dunedin, Quenneville tight. But Secondly, I do wonder if some of it is they're like you have to change that. And he was not willing to do it. But the other thing I wanted to vote is what happened in that game on Saturday night. We did all the collapse that third period. Well, no, the the major, oh when he didn't have someone had to kill. Extra minutes, but doesn't eleven years of success. Three Stanley Cups by a little more grace. Hey, we had to kill for an extra buck thirty. Yes. But it's pretty clear there at the end anyway, right? I just don't know how you get to the end that quickly the beginning of the season. When you're saying, hey, we're going to give them a little more rope. They lie. Denny savar. Well, allies time, they fired a coach it was four games. We saw Philly fire coach after what three or four games peer lobby latte all those years ago. You know, some teams do it and this shot out of the gate. They were great even without Crawford. I just think it's the end of a lot of frustration. Maybe STAN Bowman doesn't see at the same way that everybody else sees it. And that's fine. But I think that people who are tight with Joel Quenneville would tell you. He saw very differently. I agree with STAN moment with his point that you don't have to like someone to do business with them. There's a lot of friction between people that can lead to great success. Whether it's sports, whether it's politics, whether it's art whether it's mute I mean, how many bands have, hey, the some of the best music we've ever heard sports panels all of you may see some tonight's as we present the penguins and the Washington Capitals. So I agree on that count. But the whispers weren't exactly whispers going. Two thousand twelve of the friction between the two and how this was known a holy marriage. That was not going to last, but Cueva Kathleen get wins the opportunity for that side of the Blackhawks management group to pull the trigger on getting rid of Joel Quenneville. We're all sort of waiting for it many thought of might be after the the situation with the national predators in the opening round. And he thought it'd be the end last year with now making the playoffs. I just don't know how philosophically again, I'm asking the same question. How you arrive at this early in the season when you have eight seasons worth of work to look at high in don't make that decision in the off season. I just don't get it. I think John McDonough explained it from their perspective that they felt he deserved another opportunity. But it's clear that things were on tenterhooks. Right. We've been wondering about this for a couple years now, how long would it be? And you know, I think the other thing too. That's obvious to me here is that they owe him a lot of. Money told me about pretty much. Yeah. And they oh, I think deneen sandwich combined for about a million season. So it's a little less than fourteen million. Right. That's a lot of money. And even for the Blackhawks who are team that makes money not always comes out your slagging, Jeremy Colton. I'm not doing that. I have no reason to slag him. But there's a reason that he's the coach here. And that's because you know, they couldn't really go out and get someone else when they're paying fourteen million Elaine vino five sheets to come in when they're already coat. Coat or whatever. The Rangers were willing to eat. Right. Right. Absolutely. I think that is absolutely part of the equation. So what does this mean then getting past the any else dad on on the Quin voltage sort of move past that and talk with the Blackhawks and the future of the no I said what we need to say. So the question then becomes if this is the beginning is you mentioned the end of that air of Chicago Blackhawks nineteen eight Keith and see rook and Crawford and Stanley Cups in his great and here come the hawks. And so what does that mean? Now like, what does that mean? Now is every when you make a move like this, you get rid of Joel Quenneville does that mean that everything is on the table? I mentioned the central the other day and Kittery us looked at me like I had three heads. Listen when you make a move like this does that mean that everybody's available that you're taking a sharp new turn. I don't think. So you listen to anything I don't think so yet because as they've said they still plan on contending. So you're not sending guys away. Even if you were I don't think you're trading. Patrick kane. I don't think you're trading. Patrick Kane either. They don't know you can say the same thing of Jonathan. Would you entertain that? I mean, look is actually this is my story. So last year I heard a rumor that taes wanted to as the Commissioner to redo his contract because it was hurting them cap wise and to take less money, take less mild to rework his deal. Maybe I don't know. I just heard rework the deal. So and said look into this taes wanted to meet with the Commissioner to rework his deal. And so I called that's a team. Don't get to excite. Okay. So I called Pat Persson, and he said that is not true. Okay. So I saw Taves this summer at Scott Oakes event for son. And I'm like this is not the right time to ask him about this. And I knew I was going to see him again at the NHL PA media, Dan, Chicago. So I asked him off camera said, okay before we start this. I want to ask you if this is true. And he laughed. He said who told she? I said that is not true. I said, okay. Well, there you go. But I wanted to bring that up. But he knows the guy. I would be really curious about who. I think they could move if they wanted to move him. And if he wanted to go like tasers his numbers ten five it's a big number still number two. That's the guy. That's the guy if you decide that you are out of it. And you have to go to him because his cap it is reasonable five point three five point nine point nine. We should double check this. Because people are gonna start tweeting. Crazy. I'll check I right now. I have to check the term, and you know, Duncan Keith is not like a number one power play guy five five point five. Okay. So there's very reasonable done kids. Not a number one power play guy anymore. But he's still really good. He's in great shape. He takes great care of himself. He can still skate the pocket of trouble. But he's gotta wanna go. I could see a lot of contenders. Looking at that and saying that could be a guy could that be how many years did you have left through twenty twenty three? Yeah. He's on a twelve year deal signed a big deal. So it's, you know, five more years, and that's the number that allowed them to win a couple of extra Cup. Yes. That's the contract when the book is written. We'll go back to Duncan Keith and say that's the deal that allowed them to win the Cup. Yes. If. You're gonna gamble on a guy physically. It's a big gamble. But he's one of the guys you gamble on. Because he's always taken care of himself. And he's a phenomenal athlete. Like remember doing the story on going back to Michigan state when he showed up with a great athlete was you know, he might be the guy. But obviously they're going to win it. Now, I it circles back to a question you ask whenever coach gets fired as you look at players you may want shuffle out to shuffling younger versions and try to get Chicago little bit half steps lower than than many teams. They face off against. I think the question asking whenever coaches dismissed, and we asked us about Los Angeles is the issue coaching issue composition. That's the first one that I always asked what what's the problem here is it what the general manager has done. Or is it what has the coach done is it a combination of both? And we know the Quenneville in Bowman didn't see eye to eye about nNcholas Chalmers. Whether it's the sod trade things, I would imagine maybe stroz a as well him leaving tagged onto to Marion host on track to the Zona coyotes when you look at Chicago, do you say the issue at the hawks has composition or coaching. Because when I watched a, oh, they don't okay as fast as other teams. They're not as fast. I mean, look they were like LA in a way they're loyal to a group of guys that one for them, and I respect loyalty, and they haven't been able to replace what they lost. They lost an absolute horse and hosts they have not been able to replace them sought is not been the same player. And I really do think that one of the reasons the coaching change happened. Jeff is because they wonder. Sod will respond under a different coach. It's clear he in Quenneville did not see eye-to-eye, and I wonder about that. But the debrincat blossomed under coin Ville. Oh, yeah. The Finnish defenseman Henry Cardi like Glenville playing him. He's good. He's playing like the idea that Quenneville doesn't you know, like younger players don't buy that. There's younger players who are thriving. But I think that they lost great players, and they haven't been able to replace them. And it's that simple thoughts on what's next for Joel Quenneville, everyone when I throw at the ask thirty one this morning on Twitter so much of it is is Detroit an option. Philadelphia option is L LA. Everyone wants to know what's next for Joel Quenneville. What's next? I think he'll take some time. I mean, of course, all say that and they'll be hired somewhere tomorrow. But I think he'll take some time. Like the thing is you got to pay him. Right. Like, you have to work out a deal with Chicago to pay them, and you have to pay a market value now market value. Doesn't mean six, but probably means three something. Okay. Florida. Have that issue once upon time trying to hire Dan byles MMA? I don't think Bosma wanted to go there at the end of the day. He asked for a big number. I think you preferred buffalo trying to make the contract, right? I could be one one place where that was a bit of a battle was Columbus in Vancouver when Columbus hired toward Raila. But I don't know exactly what happened there but Columbus ended up paying less. I know Vancouver. Felt that Columbus got a good deal there. So thoughts on you know, it's it's a it's a big ticket. I wonder if he waits this summer does. He wait Seattle. I don't know. It's there and Tippett solar. They he's staying. So maybe, but I think there's going to be a lot this summer. Like, I just wonder Saint Louis is obvious connection. But the St Louis have the money to pay him Anaheim him and Bob Murray. But this Anaheim have the money to pay him. That's my question. Interesting here, we are if I told you three or four years ago that we'd be sitting in NHL, we're both Elaine venue, and Joel Quenneville don't have work. We look at each other like, yeah. Not a chance. But here we are we've arrived at that spot. I love the idea of retiring the stash by the way, throw that up just like Bill, Tori with the bowtie retired of that with the New York Islanders. The podcast is his thirty one thoughts brought to you by the all new two thousand eighteen GMC's. Yeah. I coaching changes. John Stevens was fired on Sunday morning. I mean, you're blind. If you don't teams performing, maybe we needed to change should be made, you know, Findlay. You know, Findlay. The last resort. Really? You know, it happened for everybody. But the end of the day now, we got to look forward. Look ahead snaring points. And this is I mean, we're in the first week of November lot of expectations for this team. So definitely a tough start for them. But there is still time. A lot of people are saying plenty of time to turn things around. It's going to be up to Willie. Now, he's going to fill it as interim head coach for hours for shirt figure. What how the first meetings? Go what I wanted to say, I guess going back. I just talking to rob. It wasn't a really short process. The decision was easy to come here. That wasn't any kind of decision. They were really good to be with the contract you about one year. But that's more than. That's a great. I'm really excited to be here. It's real energy with two good hockey. You know? You know, it's great for supposed. Good place. Okay. So from Chicago, we'll see in the Western Conference in Phil Bassani, Los Angeles Kings exit. John Stevens, inter Willie Darden. And Marco Sturm. Yes, we deal with here. Shock. I mean, I think everybody saw the there was a potential for that coming. I really liked John Stevens is one of the guys I really liked talking to. I think he's really bright think he's really honest guy. There's no BS to him. You know, where you stand, and he always really likes talking about his kids both of whom are potential pros. One of the is. So, you know, I always like talking to John. But you could see it coming. You really could they were struggling, but I think this is part of a bigger philosophical discussion for the LA kings. And that is they are going to change how they play they want a certain way under Daryl John Stevens like that way. But I think they are looking at it and saying we have to do this. But this is not new though like we heard that last year. Well, the. Hockey, central noontime need to get quicker. We can't get we can't wear a slower team. Here comes. I follow your comes. Adrian can't be more room for these types of this is in noon. Well, hold on the one thing did change this year. And as Pierre Turgeon wasn't there here Terzano was there last year's the offense coordinator, and he was there every day. He resigned last year for personal reasons the have him back, and I think that's a reason that they reached out to oats, they want somebody there who is that kind of thinker to be on their staff. The other thing too is same thing we talked about Chicago a lot of their young guys. They have to get going campy. Ten pearson. Nobles this year entering the other game the game the other night and also to fully has not been himself since they won that second Cup. Like those guys they need help. Thou needs help grazie is Carter needs help. He's fighting, but he's slowing down and cope attorneys help. And they're younger players are not giving them hell if play quicker game in a faster game. That's never been COPA tires game. No, that's not. But the one thing we've learned is you look at Paul Stazzone last year with Winnipeg, right? He's not the fastest guy. But if you put them with fast guys knit team that moves the puck quickly, you can make it work. I think that works for the player like David Krejci. Who's a second second center on team where he sort of exists in the vacuum of the bullet. He not the bullet going up the ice. But he's in that vacuum of it. And that's pocket that David Krejci always been able to play in. Yup. I think that works there. But you're looking for your number one. Center can your number one center in the NHL two thousand eighteen be that guy anymore last year. This guy was a hard trophy nominee. So they gotta have something. It's a good debate. I mean, they gotta have something. But I do think this is about the way changing the way they play. I think the other thing that play here, and I didn't hear this from any of the players, but somebody I know did Daryl and John Stevens had a certain personality. And maybe it's time for new personality. Is it too simple to say it's really tough on Sistan coach becomes the head coach because you do have a different personality. It works. So seldomly Robinson who work for and they won the Stanley Cup of New Jersey. But the history of very unique situation percent unique. But the history of coach is becoming head coaches. You talked a lot of these guys, and they'll tell you it is hard because you're the guy you're the assistant. You're the nice guys. Well, here's what the. Today barbecue. By this weekend. And then you become the head coach and players look at you like that's not the guy. He's a different guy. Why is he bag skating me? Why is he scratching me? Why isn't there that you know, that that grandfatherly hug in the understanding anymore guy's my coach? Now, he's mad at me. There have been mad at me before it's tough dynamic, and you have to assume that personalities Ed coach, that's hard. I always see that one assistant coaches takeover. Yes. It's true. And you know, the thing about that too is when I spoke to Monday, he said the same thing to me basically says because Willie had turned down some assistant coaching jobs one in LA like after he got fired in Vancouver that job that appear Turgeon got they asked him about it. And he didn't wanna do it. And I heard there was another job potentially out there. This summer assistant assistant, and he said no wanted to be a head coach. And he said, look if you're the assistant and the head coach gets fired, and you take over you feel brutal. Yeah. So he gambled on himself. And. Specked that. But it's exactly what you're talking about. There is a don't like it because you inherited because some gets fired right next to you. And be right. You go from the players friend. The schooler wanna gets Adam Oates unit couple of seconds, but one pas on Marco Sturm sitting that raised some eyebrows, and the German national team into the NHL Minnie's saying that hate somewhere down the road. This guy could be head coach in the league. So Michael Connell is high up in the kings organization. He made the Joe Thornton deal and Marcos term came back in. And apparently, he is a remains a huge fan of Sturm Glen Murray played with Sturm, and he's he's part of that decision making group with rub lake and Nelson Emerson, and I believe that, you know, Glen Murray put in some good words stern played in LA. But not when Blake was there as a player. So I think there's a lot of connections here. And I do think that what's termed did last year was a bit of an eyebrow raiser with the German team in the Olympics. And he said he wanted to become an assistant coach, and I believe whoever had taken over his coach was going to have to accept Marco Sturm, the kings were going all hell bent on bringing this guy in and he was going to take over he lives in nothing to do. No. He was whoever was taking the job was getting Marco Sturm. It's an interesting thing for dessert. Because if you look at it, he's got Dave Lowry and Bill Ranford who were there. He's got Marco Sturm who was brought in. He's got Adam Oates was not a coach a consultant. But it's very rare head coach comes in. He's got none of these. So it's a little bit different. But there's no question that it's an unusual set up. But the kings is an organization wanted to stern get to then we've had a chance to work with Adam Oates. I know Adam if he's listening to this Adam you are unbelievable every time I need you to attorney call for a piece of news. You never return a call brutal. So when the swelling goes down in the fingers, let's get back to Elliott Friedman. Yeah. But for those that don't know him. I mean, he's worked with a number of NHL help the change their game worked with the Washington Capitals. Of course, the head coach he has been the center of some controversy. Yes. Coaches don't like their players necessarily getting outside help. Yes. Specifically someone that can profoundly changed the way a player plays in a way the way a player thinks about the game. What does Adam Oates bring to Los Angeles Kings? We're gonna say, well, let's talk about some of that stuff. I so the real flash point was Minnesota few years ago. With Ryan Suter and Zach Parise and Suter and Mike Yeo publicly came out and complained about it to Michael Russo who is one of the reporters out there, and it was not at the leading. Then he was to let the Star Tribune. So I call them up. And I said look like this is what this guy saying about you. And what do you have to say for yourself? And you know, we talked about it. You know, I said to him, you know, people think you're coach killer a bit here that you're going out there. And you're doing exactly what you just said, Jeff and teaching them things that are not in the philosophy of the team. And he got mad. I got mad at the call in the you know, there was a pretty nasty exchange between me and him. And you know, finally just say that I'm, you know, this is out there like at some point in time, you're going to have to deal with this. And he finds plays not a chance not a chance not a chance. Remember, the quote, am I trying to still somebody's job? And so I wrote it, and I got a lot. Like when I write thirty thoughts. Sometimes I get a lot of feedback. Sometimes they'll get none. I got a lot of feedback on that coma boats. I had some players who texted me are emailed and said, no good on you for defending him. I just want to get better. And it's team saying that you know, like, I don't care what he says. It's it's a problem. Now, I do know between then and now some coaches, and I believe one of the I was Paul MAURICE in Winnipeg, you know, because has a good foothold in Winnipeg. He's got a bunch of guys. God's safely. He's got Wheeler. He's got bench Surat. I think buffalo in two can't remember I think as a matter of fact, there was a time with eight to twelve of them got together this past summer with oats and LA. So Paul Marie said, and he started creating a dialogue without saying. What are you teaching here, and they started working together on on how it could work? I mean, the fact is that you know, people are gonna have to get used to it. Whether it's del belfry in Toronto. Or there was. Chicago. There was Paul Paul, Vincent. He was a guy really held Brandon Pirie learn to shoot the puck, whether it's oats, whether it's Yari here in Toronto with a bunch of guys like teams have to understand that. I was talking to Gary Roberts book Connor mcdavid on the weekend. And he was just saying that, you know, guys, go out on the ice now, and they just fiddle around with the puck in the summer like the old guys never did that they worked out, and they started skating, August this generation now they want to get out in the ice as soon as possible and fiddle around with the pot to drills and try thing I can recall the way it is talking to goaltenders but three or four years ago and one goalie made the point to me because he had been out at shooters camp in BC as you look now like now, it's like Brian Kessler Curtis. Lazar a couple of other guys he said gonna start to see this more because goaltenders in the offseason here point players, go in workout, get stronger all. The muscle that I've lost throw the I'm getting it back in the summer and I'm going into camp in shape goaltenders in the offseason work on goaltending. And that's where goaltenders caught up in a lot of ways surpass the skill invention. This one is more goals. Get better than goalies have surpassed the shooters, and he said you wash we're starting to see it now shooters going to very specific shooting camps and the gonna get better. Now, you hear things go white a shooting and top grip shod bottom grip. All these types of things he said, you watch within three to four years all these guys are going to have shooting coaches. And you know, what they are. They do all of them yogis, by the way, another guy he taught Andrew cog Leon and a listen a lot of it's tied to economics. There's a real good dime to be made helping elite level athletes. Do anything why should shooting be any different or why should player skills be any difference? None of this should come. As any surprise. I'm of the same mind that you are Elliott. It's something that coaches organizations are going to have. To deal with because this is what these guys do in the off season. They're going to go to skating instructors. And they're shooting instructors and the trainers and say things like am I using the right lie for my position. Am I using the right curve on my stick? Should I be playing more with the puck and my heel or on might whole like you're gonna get that? And that's guy's gonna bring into camp. And you're starting to see it. That's just the reality. It's just like I feel bad for the coaches. I get it. I understand I want this guy in this position on the ice and this scenario, but that's not how he's being taught in the offseason. Well, here was one example of coach who told me where he had a problem. He had one player who was with the skill coach, and he was working on shooting from the half wall. And he wanted on the power play to be on the half wall. And the coach was like note, you're going front of the net. And he said I worked on it all summer. Can you take a look and the coach said fine. You know, what in the exhibition sees? Can you did if you put in the work, we'll take a look exhibition season put him in the half wall? It was just like. Yeah. Shot was improved. But okay. There's a big difference shot score there in the National Hockey League. And he said it was a big problem. You know, finally, he just said, look, I'm the coach and as long as I'm the coach you're going there, and you put it back in front of the net. And eventually it all worked out like the player had some success and everybody was happy. But he said that you know, it was a problem because he's working on this. He wants to do that. So the guy's paying having him do that. But it's still not good enough for what we need. And he said that's where some of the issue comes up the first time I heard about friction with what Adam Oates believed was in Washington. Would he change six? Yes. When he went to the players, and he's still very big on that huge. Yup. Ember talking once and we thought we were talking about. Injuries and concussions, and he was making the point that a lot of it is, you know, stick technology, and where you have your head when you hold the stick. How you come up the ice where your body's at more specifically where your head is. I think he's of the mind putting words in his mouth here from one conversation players up more wants to if you have is thick up fire higher li- that you're not gonna have your head down. And that's gonna there's a direct correlation between a number of times you get hit in the head to where the lie is on your stick. And how you hold your body. That's a profound change to a player who's already in the NHL, and that's a lot. Well, I think what's interesting is somebody told me, I don't know if this is true. But I think it is and on a podcast with what you think is fifty one percent true. Doug, MacLean, always says, not tell you the truth. I'm just telling you what I heard. I don't believe he's good any clients in LA. So all of these guys. Well, that's the thing. Like, I always all going to be new, and you know, when I was talking to the other night, if you're out in the west coast, you know, you don't get a lot of practice time. So that's the biggest challenges anything they're going to change even desert and says much as we want to change we're probably going to be able to tweak it at the beginning. Because we have a lot of practice time. How much can you do when you don't have that option? So that's another big challenge. But the one thing about odes is when he worked at CBC and here with us. I've never worked with somebody. And I've heard a lot of guys taught me a lot. I see why that guy was a hall of Famer what he sees out. There is incredible. The things he sees on the ice are amazing. Like I've been watching hockey now for a long time. And I think I've picked up a lot in terms of how to watch and it's just a reminder of the elite of the elite see things at another level that we don't see. And that's what they want. The new coaching staff with the Los Angeles Kings first game with the victory over the Anaheim, ducks I want to spend too much time with this. But we should address it. And that's Uber situation with the Ottawa Senators. Yeah, you can't not talk about it. My thought on it was it could have been way worse. Yes. Could have been awful life changing. That's what a lot of people said to me like it could have been a lot worse by the end of it. I said, okay. Well, this is gonna this is gonna be uncomfortable for a lot of people. But no one's lives are getting ruined. One's lives are getting wrecked here, but still it must have made life really uncomfortable for that coaching staff, and those players just from the bottom of my heart expressing my. My apologies to to mardi Raymond for for my role. And and for what happened that night, and and. You know, what was said was. Definitely not how we feel about him as a person and and as our coach. You know, we were carried away and and it was unacceptable. And and you know, that's that's really all. I can say about it as a group here. We want apologize somebody Ramon. I think it's he's someone that we really appreciate we love having him around here. He shares his passion for the game every single as always there for us. I want this opportunity to extend my absolutely sincere. Apologies to Marty, Raymond. He's a heck of a person and coach and he did not deserve. What we said. That's all I can say on it right now. Unfortunately, when I sincerely sincerely mean, not on behalf of myself and my teammates. So let's talk about the game now. And as we all know there is a totem pole when it comes to players there's understanding for some and there's disciplined for others be very curious now and again auto all responded in the best possible way by just sticking it to the Jersey Devils the next game. But I'll be very curious to see who ends up other than I might be obvious or might be subtle who ends up getting punished. This one if anyone well, I'll tell you who's going to get punished for it are going to be the reporters if you watch some of their scrums the other night and some guys were telling me today is that they were one word answers to their questions. Like if you look at some of the scrums, apparently, there's yes, no. And that's the questioners from the paper the post media. So they get the brunt of it whether they were involved or not and that happens. I remember one year we were doing playoff series. And there was somebody was upset, and I was the rinkside reporter and somebody was upset about something that was say Haagen, Canada and the tea or it was done. How can it in Canada? And the team didn't glop rate with me for two games. I was like are you serious? And it's all of you like, I'm a big believer. If you're mad at me be mad at me. Don't take it out on somebody else. But I understand that they're angry at the at the paper and. And the thing that really makes it interesting to me as a reporter is that. No reporter put their name on the story. That says to me that the report is like, I don't agree with this. I don't agree with this. And I don't agree with the whole situation. I have made this very clear, I think what that driver did was a gutless terrible thing. I get not angry angry. I would get something like this. I get angry when people say that it's acceptable. Now, you should understand look nobody can be happy all the time. And what are you supposed to do? Just be unhappy in your house like what if you've got like, a Google Alexis in your house, and those things are listening to all the time. Yeah. And they put your conversation, a cloud, and it gets hacked somewhere. Oh, that's okay. You should've known because you're in your house and your around Google, Alexa, that this thing could have gone anywhere that attitude just pisses me off, Jeff we are in a workplace right now. If I blow up at you about my boss right now. Oh, everyone here, and we are physically you and tell you booth rape. I tell you what a terrible boss. Eddie hall is right now or rob Korte. I'm not getting away with that. And I understand that. And I understand that Uber drivers they need those cameras for safety. But that was BS that was total BS. And I think that people who think that that is ok well like when it happens to you. And where it happens to you. Let's see how. Okay. You feel about them because I'm sorry. It's not acceptable to say. Well, you're a star or you're an athlete, and you should be understanding that this can happen. No. I understand that. You're not leader. You're a star. There's more attention. I understand that there are certain places. Like if you're wearing a microphone. Hey, we're around here in the office. Even when we're not on air wearing microphones you have to be smart. You're around your workplace, you have to be smart us citizen. The piece you're used car salesman. Who is fixing the odometers? I got no sympathy for you. But those guys in that situation. That's a joke. That is a joke, and there's real world consequences to it, which is bad into all of our colleagues organise sports sent when we're doing panels with you, and you leave your microphone on please turn them where you go to the washroom. Yes. Please thought of to Leslie Nielsen I thought of this another one the from our shop pulled the Lizzy Neil. And a couple of times. I thought a lot of bookie Boucher and just thinking how close him and Martin Ramon been going back years and as much as you look at the situation tough for mardi remote. And that's tough for those players and going to practice with colleagues with assistant coach of Hiba shake because I'm always concerned that situation how the friends react because that is an association as you. Well know that goes back to McGill with those guys like those two ever goes Ramones. Ramone's phone with. Yup. And for him to hear that. Moved on. You guys are not the same place. We are. The deal with that as ago played laws gate terrific attitude of work for a players coming on heart almost winning against Stanley Cup contender and you saw this morning. Reading through Seattle from players great volume. Great practice, and we're definitely getting ready for tonight focuses on hockey if you asked me personally. Kultura? Choose my words carefully. I don't know who makes the seasons things like that out there. You know, when you purposely. Fook another human being. Spend too much time that especially probably the best you'll be. That's personal. Team. We will. Everything was dressed. We're not where you are guys. Play jersey. I can see Martin Ray Molin being understanding and say, well, it's players steam, whatever they didn't lie there. You know, they, but if I'm Debu Shay. I'm just seething. Well, I I would be too because you always stand up for friends more than self, right? I would say to those guys guys. Okay. You only greatness. That's what I would say. You mean you the team and you will Martin remark greatness? If you got all these problems with Martin Remond and find because they're their penalty kill has been a problem. You have to be great for us. And that's I would say to all those players. I would say all those players you're entitled because everybody their boss. That's fine. But you have to show that you have earned the right to complain. Like that did you know, what do I did about their penalty? Kill the next night against New Jersey. Didn't take a penalty until midway through the third was a distinct someone with a high stick. I was watching mostly Toronto Montreal because that game was applauded at the time. So I was watching Toronto which was still closed and I was watching Montreal good game against Rangers. Good game. Yeah. Beautiful. And then all of a sudden, my Twitter people started tweeting just what we were here for. Go come on. But that's when I realized that killed them both off. But that's what I would do if I was a coach I would say you guys have to be great for me. Now, you have to be great. All right and seen moving along. I thought something you've heard about was of Vancouver and fun meter survey. That was pretty NBA. I'm always trees about rejuvenating fan bases in sticking the thermometer in the fan base and find out what they want and how it affects what you do by way of game operations. I'm really curious. And Chicago went through this and Toronto may still be going through this. How you turn over that next wave of season ticket holder up when it's really expensive. And you've priced people out of the Bill like I went when I was a kid you won't you're a kid eight dollar tickets. And you know, we go through the greens and go sit in the grays every now, and then we were lucky would get a read gold gold center ice. Would you find that under the tree? I love the grays. I love seeing the graves at maple leaf gardens. We the guy that always said Argo smells. Chicken underrated seats gardens blues. Really sat in those. I believe Bryan spears. Dad bronze Brazil, Haagen Canada are of your show his data. I think has seemed to get the blues we've gotten fun meters surveys Hoover. So a meal was just telling me my the Blue Jays do something like this too. So what can I do for the last four years? They pick us let group of soon ticket holders and some people who they know have bought one game tickets, and they send them out a thing about all their entire experience. How was it getting into the game? How are the concessions? How was the food? How was your game experience? You know, one thing that they that I heard they started changing this year was you'd go to commercial break say coming up this week at Rogers place. Here's Drake or something. They've started doing Pederson highlights or more giveaways stuff like that. So basically, it's you know, you grade year you have your fans grade their experience at every game. So I found out that in the four years they've been doing this the game that got the highest score was. Last Friday night Pedersen's five points. Imagine that. Game too seriously. It's funny. How much better the beer tastes and short on the lineups are when Ilyas Pedersen's getting five points tangles in ten games. And that goal last night. It was the it's the Gretzky goal on Vernon. Lines that is bold. And that is brass Pederson up the left wing steps into a slump. Trotted scores. Only pederson. Oh, my word again top shelf on Jimmy Howard. An absolute howitzer knocks lead one nothing. Oh my God. Just when I think this kid has at all showed me, everything and nine games. He goes down the wing on the far side. He's got an open shot at the top of the circles from an impossible angle. Any bulls a slap shot by Jimmy Howard over the glove off the post. Now as many people have pointed out, you know, enjoy it. But the shooting percentage isn't gonna stay like that for medicine, but listen enjoy the fun while it's here, and we're was doing the ice riffing show yesterday with with Jason York, and we're saying name the players, and you can maybe use part of your secondhand namely Mina players, you pay to watch those chronic. There's Crosby there's a veteran, but there's only a handful of guys. Always been a little bit larger than most people. But yes, Pederson is on. That is is there within games already. I see is a Leah's Pettersen. And I know every week we end up talking about them. But why not up to the point about the best game experiences? Five point night by Patterson. You can do all you want by way of window-dressing if the game's not good. Yes, doesn't matter. What you doesn't matter? But this is no slight to game around the NHL. But if it's a dog season dog season. Yeah. And it's funny. The mill mention the Jays do it. The toughest sport I ever covered running. The string was baseball. That's gotta be hard as when you're done in like may you've got every day. It's tough. It's tough for the team. It's tough for a game ops. And it's Lorne the broadcasters. Maybe the rules of change. I don't know. But when I was doing it. It was for seven o'clock MC levels was open at three thirty. Yeah. So it's a long day. It's a long to and you're you see these guys every day. Baseball was always the hard of you had a game. If you had to cover them in September when they were twenty games out of first through now, maybe got some good prospects to call up or maybe your team went on September run or something like Jason Collett GRA. Oh, no, wait a minute. But a lot of times it was just. Speaking of a half to do it. You wrote about it lockout update twenty twenty two. Or should we say twenty twenty look, I'm I'm such cheery person. As you know, I always believe the best is going to happen. We've had reasons not to feel that way. I mean whenever there could be one. There's been one have been some extensions one was Olympics. For example. I do think they are going to try to see if they can get past the reopener, which means that will have no labor until at least twenty twenty two. I do think they're going to try to get past that, and what fear is trying to do right now is to all his players if the league doesn't want to reopen it, and we agree not to reopen it and they both can in September. What do you want? We know what they want. They want the Olympics the Olympics. But at the same time if you look at that situation. Do you also not say if you don't want to reopen it stop complaining about as well? One of time. What with the player is the understand. How it always has to be there. Like, you can't have this system. You can't have linkage escrow. Right. And there's always going to be linkage, and it's fifty fifty now, where's it going? You know, where's it going? Now. One of the things they've talked about internally is could they change the way that hockey related revenue is counted could they change the equation. And that's a big fight. If you want to do that, that's a big fight. So I think what they're going to try to do is. Can they see a way we can do this for another two years? Maybe we agree not to reopen. And then can they start negotiations on a new deal? The Olympic issue to me is always been fascinated because it only affects a handful of players whenever I hear the players want the Olympics. How many players are we talking vacation when he five. Well, that's just it. Right. So let's just be honest about what this is just some want the Olympics and one vacation is always presented as if. Oh, yeah. The players want Olympics only talking about guys here in the big equation, by the way on Olympics. They're gonna make a deal with the correct? And that's not easy. No. What do you need for that to happen? I know that there are some when I say this diplomatically when the Olympics are in certain countries, it's easy to do deals. Well are in other countries. It's not so easy. What I mean? Well, Russia like I have always believed that Russia paid for the players to be there in two thousand fourteen nice working with you. I I can't prove it. But I believe it, right? I believe that. That's the way it worked. I think China's gonna want the HR is there will they pay. But also, some countries will engage and others won't here. Here's the other thing. And this is the question the hockey tournament wasn't as good without the H L players. And I'm not saying that just myself. I've heard a lot of feedback about that that it just wasn't what they hoped it would be. So does the IOC recognize that they need them? They're like Bettman said. In Finland that he repeated all usual stuff about the Olympics. I don't listen to any of that. I think it's just a negotiating tactic to me. So I don't get my heart bent out of shape on that. If the money's there. He'll make the deal. My question is the I look at it and say, we need this to be better a couple things before we get to Kevin be exa dropping by the podcast for that interview. Slava voinov. Yep. Radioactive and I can't see him ever playing in the NHL again agree disagree. Regardless of what happens with his status. Can't see it. I can't see a team doing it. I look at the calendar. Every morning when I leave the house. It's two thousand eighteen I think someone will try you do I do. I can't see it Elliot. I do sell me. I'm not going to sell you on why it should happen. I'm not saying why it should happen. Someone's gonna look at him and say as a player can help us. At what call that's the thing. It's going to these teams look at not just can help us on the ice. But you know, what does this do a hate using terms like this? But it's true. And it's thing what does due to our brand. How did it comes down to that? Because this should come down to ethics and right versus wrong. But when you think in terms of what you have professional sports guys ation, you have a brand. And that's tough to next to that. Yes. I agree. I'm not arguing anything with you. And I would suspect that it's going to be a massive suspension from the league year. At least I think the league would be of the minded wanna suspend him to the point where he can't come back. Well, you're looking at what happened now with Austin Watson? Okay. And this is a different situation. So they spent watching for twenty seven games and the arbitrator took down to eighteen and I think the players association wine, even less, I think they thought they were gonna get down to like ten or twelve so. Got eighteen. So if you're the Commissioner, you're looking at this, and you're saying how long do I want this guy out of the league? Then you have to roads you can go down. You can say, okay, there's my not appeal suspension, and there's my appeal suspension. So does he say if I wanted to spend for at least a year do I suspend them for two knowing that it could get knocked down to year knowing that this to be appeal. I think you'll start to see that with more players the that higher on their suspension during the Mike knock down the generally don't like that. Because they don't like to lose. As a matter of fact, I think that's a very different road than they are used to. They don't like to lose appeals the players association doesn't like to lose appeals. But I think on this issue. There's a change. I agree with you wanna conclude this segment you heard about Paul Zimmerman thirty one z, and I wanna ask you question. Is it true Elliott Freeman you can't do your job without being oppressed? That's what Paul Zimmerman sayings. I couldn't find the exact quote, and I always wanted to be a reporter, Jeff, I love reporting. It's it's my favorite thing. And I wanted to be a parent report. I wanted to write it for sports trade like he did. And when. I was a student at western and Scott fess, Chuck who's gone on to great things was my boss. He always thought I was to soft, and he knew I liked pulse. Zimmerman and he wrote down the quote on a piece of paper, and he gave it to me. And I had it like I had that quote for a long time. And I lost it in the flood at our house. But he basically said you cannot be a great reporter with or takes prick to be a great report. You can't be a great report without being a break. And you know, I I remember that. And there were times that I pushed in did probably went out of my comfort zone a bit. That's what he was trying to do. And that's what it worked. Now. You you and everybody else listening can decide if I'm a prick or not. That's question, Elliott, and your mind or you approach I think some people would answer that question differently than others. I think it changes daily monthly weekly. You know, there was there was somebody has a different relationship with everybody in always changing. There was somebody in the NHL who told me, you know, when you text me except around Christmas because I know you wish everybody merry Christmas. But he says when. When you text me, and it's not around Christmas. I don't like it. Like, you're gonna ask me something that's going to stabilize my team. And I think I've told this story before but one of the executives in the league's Jim anymore. But one of these along with the best he told me is I hate it. When I talk to about my team because I'm worried you're going to do something or I'm worried you've got some information is going to destabilize my team. Like, I know there are guys who legitimately eight, Mike. I mean, what are you gonna do? You. Gotta do the job properly right in front of job is hitting breaking coming back with Kevin be exa how should we introduce Kevin when he comes out with say he's not use without a team right now. But he's not retired. He's introduce him as the man who said he's still in better shape than ninety five percent of the players. One hundred percent of the media. God bingo. We're back in a moment. GMC? Sierra Denali set a higher standard in a full-size pickup for purposeful technology and performance features. Like apple carplay keeps you connected to what matters most and an available four hundred twenty horsepower six point two liter engine gives you the power to take on any challenge lead the way like a pro with the GMC Sierra Denali. GMC? We are professional grade. What they're doing. If we can keep him to shots every we're gonna really good chance of winning really good. It's means at six shots for the game like our chances. So we'll keep going the same way. Oh, keep putting on that. And it's it's a patient game. We don't have to force anything right now. What's the one thing? More than anything else. You need in the third. If you're pose this out, Shawn Shawn Shawn Shawn Shawn Shawn. Shawn rish wanted front that deflects pearls. Oh, jeez. Okay. I will introduce Kevin be said the way you would like me to introduce Kevin be X, ladies and gentlemen. Please. Welcome to thirty thoughts the podcast someone who is in better shape than ninety nine point nine percent of all media. And that includes me and Elliott's Kevin be exa that's almost guarantee. I think that's a long of the week. Say wait a sec. It's one hundred ninety nine point nine I figured for. Sure. That was a layup. You just never know. There could be some specimen out there that I don't even know about writing blogs, and I leave it open to that one person. Maybe but most likely not weave canvas you're right considering you are right is your secret to reform cucumber seeds. That's an old one. Actually, I I may or may not I may or may not have talked to teammate of your way to the office today. So I thought that infamous. That infamous probably like ten years ago, and the mindset of there's there's something in cucumber see that expand in your muscles. So whether or not that was true or not I that for for years and years ears. But I think against better judgment. I came back to me about. So I don't know if there's any signs that actually supports that. But it's a pretty cool soccer. That's true. Isn't it? It's a great thing to say what whether you know, the one thing in our industry, which I've always maintained an I learned very early is if you're not sure of something say it loud. So confidently lovely. Yes. So to that Kevin I say to thumbs up Ditto cucumber seeds. That's the the new secret for from us. You don't eat creating anymore. Folks. You just think you cover seeds cucumber sued. You heard it here. First. Crop. So how many times did you tell a workout fact to someone who was honestly looking for something to get better? And you threw them some placebo like that it happened once in a while, sit and. I think people you just my word for it. And then questioned me too much. I think I maybe took that and ran was it a little bit. And maybe over us confidence and told them a couple of white lies. Just maybe nothing other than my entertainment and just kinda see how how closely they would follow it. I mean, I think you guys all know that I like the vassal people just for my own amusement, other people's views, my soul, there was probably some of that going on over the course of micro. So who is the Mark then like who would be the guy that you would do that too? Why do anybody everybody and anybody assistant coaches players young guys old guy someone else? Joan teammates fed up Amanda, Matic brain and by Kevin. L product the reason we did it is because he thought that he's on. I'm really good at. Algebra. There's one guy in particular Clayton store when I came to the ducks he always called me on everything, and he was just such a skeptic. And he was even know that. I don't even know that not true. How do you know that a lot of facts there? And most of them are true. And I do my research, and I read and I like to research things. So a lot of them are true. But this guy didn't believe a word I set ever. So I don't know because like that shit eating grin on my face. When I set it or why does this is too much information coming up people? But most people would like would listen they'd be attentive. And he would always be like that bullshit. No, that's true. So I don't know you have to ask him. Why you never believe me? So then on the add complete loggerheads to that. Then who's the guy that believed everything you said Kevin bought every little last drop of what you're selling boroughs. Probably believed everything I said for the most part, and I think cast it as well too. I think he started to question things the more outrageous. They got but I think those two guys usually took me face value, which is good city. Listen to everything I said to whether or not they're going to each other and Swedish. This guy's an idiot. They looked genuinely interested in a lot of the little. A little fun socks here. There little little things that most people wouldn't think of so nothing super important. You don't Kevin you mentioned some teammates there. So when you guys were at your apex, you know, two thousand nine two thousand ten two thousand eleven the one thing that a friend of mine who lived in Vancouver told me was you have to live in Vancouver to understand how we feel about this team. Like everybody else could hate them. We don't care we love this group. They represent us. They don't care who likes them. And also they could tell that you guys would run through walls for each other. And what was that group of guys like because there were a lot of really different personalities. It was a really fun group that that'd be a part of. And I think now that no I'm at the end of my career, and you look back those are some special special years right there. And you you look at you know, other teams, you know, cicadas had a pretty good run with their core. Guys LA had their time before with their core. Guys. We had a really good run there for one the president filthy back to back years competing in the playoffs. You know, before we made it to the finals we lost in the second round tonight yours to Chicago through them. We would've went right to the finals too. So we had a super competitive team. We all kind of came together, you know, Kessler rose the city ins along came in, you know, Willie Mitchell, Dan AMI's came in. I mean, most of us came up. Get Cory Snyder at ler Hanson, we all came up through the same system, and we basically rebuilt the team from scratch because they had a pretty good core. When I first got there with Naasi Vertucci. Oland jovan. Ski Morrison those guys they kinda were on their last legs out the door. And then here we come in young core. And we built from the ground up, and we work hard each other. And we loved it. And we're a close group and city was soul passionate so supportive. I mean, it was a great time to be. And did you feel it? What Elliott's talking about that. There was that. It's us against everybody else. Toronto has a thing. Toronto versus everybody. But the Vancouver can very much did have that. Like it was Vancouver Canucks think Hoover connects fans versus every other market period. Well, you know, what to be honest with you that that's only came about during the Stanley Cup playoffs on. But we lost Jim. So that's kind of when I think there was a poll in the media. Who's the who what team don't you want? What do you? What do you want to win the least? And I think it was an overwhelming majority that it was our team that year. So you're not like we became a hated team. But at the end of the day, who cares right um, San polled who likes your who doesn't. But I never really felt like, you know, everybody was against us kind of thing. Or maybe I just didn't care about it. I was too. But. But that one run we had a couple, and I don't wanna like twenty people out. The couple incidences where those, you know, diving fighting fingers a little narrows there that bait teams not really not like us and then a couple analysts that were players would say things on the air. And then it just kind of snowballed from there. But, you know, set aside those few incidences I think we had a lot of guys that you appreciate their games. Played hard Raffi Torres play hard has played Harz boroughs. Whatever you wanna save these guys they all play hard and they wanted to win more than anything. So I wouldn't say it affected us a whole lot. I've always said this. The don't hate you if your irrelevant. They only hate you. If you're good. Yeah. That's that's something. You would say that's kind of seems like it's a phrase that will come out of your mouth. I don't know if that's a compliment or not. Pause hesitation dramatic effect. Or you could just say dogs. Don't bark at park cars. Maybe an easy to to get at it. I can recall you title, you know, growing up all those Vancouver Canucks players, and you mentioned Alex Burrows great example of something came up from the east coast Hockey League to Manitoba into the Vancouver connection. I can I think a lot of us can recall lockout year to four zero five you come out of bowling green. You've worn a cage for four years playing bowling green. You come out you joined Manitoba and you start destroying guys in the American Hockey League regularly. There was once a time in the NHL when the toughest guys came out of college Paul homegrown, Chris Nyland and Paul Stewart and George McPhee bowling green can fight there. That's the thing. Like Kevin where did that come from? I mean, it used to be thing in the NHL. When all those American cats had to fight everybody. Where do they come from for you? What I didn't know why was such a surprise. Because I said I had a quote a long time ago that there's no fighting in college hockey, but as fighting. In college. So just because there's there's no there's no on the eye. Doesn't mean we're not like everybody else. We're not fighting bouncers in the parking lot. You know, not that I want to really get that cost. Like, it's not a great example. But I I grew up with two brothers. We wrestled we like our favorite thing was WWF back. Then we wrestled every day we followed each other. I wouldn't say it was ever really serious. My brothers. I, but we roughly other up and then when I played I played tier two junior. I got drafted HLA went to era I fought four times and three days, you know, on Carey's team back. Then I wasn't hearing your I was fighting the ten time of the year. It's not like I hadn't been any hockey fights before the son of a steelworker an employee of fight. So I think people just expected if you go to college route you're certain personality type of player, but no I went to college because of this Martin they do, and I wouldn't change anything. But I didn't I didn't like fighting back. I actually really enjoy fighting. I think I've proven that over the years did the thing that I thought about you. We can have two weeks ago. When I watched Matheson, take Pederson hard into the boards and remember saying to myself playing on the Vancouver Canucks something happens right away. And it didn't. And I it sort of begs the question because you did it for you not one player, but but to Henrik and Daniel when they are on the ice our players scared of suspensions in your estimate. I don't know. That's an individual. I don't think. So I think it's the opposite. I don't think players are scared of finder suspensions at all. I never was all this from my own experience. I could care less about suspensions or a fine when you're making billions and billions of dollars a year you care, if you're you're fine two thousand dollars. I mean, only got what is bro because he's so cheap. But mostly you're thinking about you're getting a paycheck for hundred thousand dollars every two weeks. You really care if it's shied three thousand dollars because you, you know, spirit somebody or you hit somebody from behind the answer's no, you don't care at all. I mean, I just don't know. Like the physicality I watched the ducks kings game last night from start to finish. I think the first full game. I've lost the season. And it's there's just not the fifth ball element of there. Once was the games changed really quickly. And a lot of teams are playing these four young and skill incised. And I mean, I still think there's a place in the game for the physical. Fourth liners, the guys keep people on this because there's going to be more and more of these cheap shots, if there's no retribution for it. So I know the situation whatever, I I have my opinion on it. I think I I didn't watch the game. I didn't know where it was in the time of the game. If there was opportunity should at the very least bene- threat, and I used to threaten guys all the time. I don't all take an instigator on you. I don't care all pay the fine. But I'm gonna take an instigator on you. I'm break through knows you're gonna have a broken nose but end of those game one way or another. So sometimes that's just good. Not that goes, a long way just to show that you can't go around drilling guys from behind better Swedish and Yang and there's gonna be some sort of a consequence. And then from his side if he wants to play that way and do that great. I'm all I played like for fifteen years by when somebody comes next time, they play anchor and Branson steps up to them. Our Sally somebody says, hey time ago. He'd better fight. You better fight whoever asks him, and he'd better show up and then all all. For it. Go ahead. Go ahead is all the way you want any telephone you. It's dirty. If not you better be ready to fight somebody the next game. And then you can play their game. It might been. How many times did you say that your career? Would you say what that I'm gonna take an instigator on you? Yeah. Lots. I would say, and I mean, the the honest guys and the guys that would fight their own battles. Never even have to say it used to be like, okay, we're gonna have to we're gonna have to settle up last one. You know, we're not to settle for that cheap shot on Henrik. And most of the guys that'd be like. Yeah. Okay. Good. Let's go. But the guys that you know, probably aren't going to back it up. Those are the guys that have to have to be threatened. And then you know, what they won't do whatever again. So you get a couple of threats here, and there I mean, I are we supposed to be talking about stuff like this on one side wrong with that we like honesty, it's just a policing in the game. And the game was in the game. And it just eliminates that the big incidences and the really dirty plays by keeping guys on. If you're going to be a guy that doesn't. Really wanna fight. Then both stick on stick. Use your feet when you're defending stick on if your act plaid, and you don't really wanna fight me. Then don't cross check him in the ribs. When he's going the boars just stick on stick. You know, these physical between the whistles, but be clean. But if you're going to cross check a guy in the ribs on he comes back, and you want to fight every ready to fight or you're going to take a punch to the face. When you're not ready. Did you see Lucci steel night? I just watched it before this morning. My son told me Lucci stat. So I kind of watch video this morning. So he's got a hearing. And by the time this comes out, they'll probably know one way or the other. But that's kind of what you're saying. Is that he felt that Chris Russell was taken advantage of. And he went after this young player and the moment I saw it last night. I my reaction Kevin was going to be this is not going to go over. Well, and it's interesting Kevin. Because a lot of me is like if I do something to someone I expect that someone's going to come. Back at me. It's exactly what you're saying. But I think that the general public now doesn't have the stomach for that anymore. Whether it's concussions or the lawsuit or whatever it is people don't have the stomach for that anymore and the day has changed. Yeah. That may be true. But I mean, how many concussions happen from fighting very few. It's it's the dirty hits. I think the majority of them. I mean, the one thing I'll say about the things the Leech thing when I signed. I didn't see what happened. I think you said he hit Russell or something really the game. I think somebody else on the team has to go after that. 'cause who did he go after Joseph Joseph young guy. What is he is? He he's young guy. Very key probably doesn't fight. So I mean Lucci just probably toughest guy in the league. So yeah, he probably shouldn't be the one one after. I mean, if it was somebody bigger and tough on Tampa, which I don't have anybody Lucia h he's just to collapse that that's just the way it is. So maybe if somebody else on their team, I don't know who like their team out well one of their third or fourth line younger guys goes after challenges until maybe the guy will fight back. And if not then you know, you a little bit. Talk for that guy. That's why it's not going to go over well which team Kevin may be which player did you like playing against the most that you would really get up for you. I can't wait to play this team. And I can't wait to play this guy. Probably a good line and back in the day Gabric when he was with Minnesota really name that would've jumped out I would've expected Gabric people don't remember he was dominant on the day. He was they know any through a lot. A lot of injuries and everything he was the fastest guy in the league at one point dominant player. He was straight line. Just chip about you beat you on a race gonna break Wayne score when he was in Minnesota. And I think in each with them there. We played them probably six or seven times a year, and they always had are protecting them. And I was up for those. But again, like every time I played again lie was usually not up against him. And he was just such a good. I just loved playing guys that powerful or Donald right to the end. You know, if you can try them down, you're probably gonna win the game. Those are probably I really look forward to plan. Have you watched Pederson? I've seen sidelights of them more than anything. I haven't really watched him throughout the course of a game. But looks pretty impressive. Some of the goals. Scoring are nice Vancouver. People are all agog over that guy. Right now pretty excited. Every game. They're going bananas. He's scored a slapshot goal last night. And they cannot team handle tweeted out the Gretzky goal from Mike von and there's a comparison. I thought that was a really ballsy move. Oh, yeah. The thing is anchor media loves that build a guy out really quick. And then they also love just bring a guy down just as fast. So I hope this poor kid the help they just seems like a really good player as I've standing he's been season fantastic. So far, Kevin you mentioned a second. He watched the Anaheim LA game. And that was you know, in this in this capacity, watches, many games as you can. And you stay up late. You gotta watch the west coasters as well. And whenever Anaheim in LA got together. Those were the best games in the NHL for a number of years when you were involved in them from the Anaheim point of view, those were ones that took a little longer if you catch my drift. But those were always the most entertaining games on the schedule. What was it like from from your point of view to play in those games against the kings? You know, still and my wife ideal I have family in town. Right now. And you know, they're used to watching me play every you know, every other night and staying up late. It's part of their lives the last fifteen years and we sit down and watch the ducks game game tight beginning to end. And it's the first time I guess that we've done that for the first time since this year start of the season started. I thought while these games, I really miss like, I love the part of this this stocks kings rivalry because then before I came to Anaheim, honestly, didn't really know much care much about it at my own rivalries. Chicago, Boston, calorie whatever this is. This is a really good Riber. I I wouldn't say the game last night was super indicative of that. It was a very tame. And there wasn't a lot of physicality and it was kind of a boring game. But the last three years have been tremendous games teams were competitive top vision super physical. It was like a playoff game every time. He played these guys. I love I love those. They were there was fights over like the late icing calls. It was. Competitive and you got Perry. Fall click got everyone trying to get him. He got Kessler doing his thing. And you got, you know, Jared Boll and his own thing with somebody like it's just there was so it's just you just wanted to pound a guy through the through the glass, and you know, what most people don't really know this. We ran into LA the players allot on the role of because we have a similar schedule. If people don't know that where we play a lot of the same teams like the night after on the road, especially the goalie. So we actually had some situations where we would hang out with these guys afterwards. And we were like we all respected each other soul much. I think we see them at the have a beer with at the bar taught. We had rookie party side by side the one year, and then we go on the ice. And we just try to kill each other. It was just a great. So who is the guy Kevin on the kings? That you said man, you are the biggest idiot I've ever met on the ice but off of it. I actually really don't mind you there was that one guy that used to play their razor. Remember that all razor? Oh, eight about guy. Hey that guy and I never really saw off the ice. And Brad Richardson was also a guy who played on that those teams back then I don't know if he played when they won the first Cup, and I hated him and then ended up playing for the Vancouver. He's unbelievable guy. That's usually the way it goes. How how do I still call them with fate? I know you believe me there's nothing you're saying here that nobody would hear face to face. I know that how do Kessler in Perry. Mix on that team. How did they mix? I I wasn't. Remember, I wasn't hearing knowing canes team I came here later, and they were they were good friends by that they live in the same neighborhood. Now, I'm not the same thing. Like Perry's a guy that I listed years and didn't really like playing against probably Osma fight a hundred times. And then I come to the team, and he's like one of my favorite is. He's just like like not what you'd expect like super quiet keeps himself. It just such a good guy. I just I didn't think I'd like him as much as I did how does your family like having a home more? Well, they say they love it. I will wait my says, it's a lot easier for her. And she, and I said let me know if it if it gets too much, and if I'm around too much about need all drive up the coast by myself and my golf clubs and I'll disappear for five six days. Not at that point. I'm busy enough where I've had a couple of trips. I'm not around all the time. But it's been good. And I know a lot of people worry about retirement hip, and there's a lot it's hard for people transition. I mean, I'm I'm still early into it. And I'm not fully retired yet. But I'm enjoying it. I think it's great. Having a really good family helps in a good life for sure. But so far like, I'm I'm enjoying it. I I've had conversations with teams, and I don't think I'd leave us right now and just having so much on on home coaching golfing some races. Like, you mentioned taking some courses. It's just as a lot of fun out that hockey team hockey was great. And I miss a lot. Is there something that maybe the the right answer to it? And it's can be legitimate is I don't know. And that's totally fine. Is there something you want to be doing right now? You know, what I've been asked to vote for him setting them up with a podcast. So. Yeah. Is there something you want to be doing right now? Opportunities things get involved in. I just I don't wanna do yet. And I remember when when Trevor Linden retired. I think he took one to two years completely off where he traveled he went on vacations and. And and traveled in the winter, which he never did. And then he got into development a little bit. And then he went from project to project. I don't want. Exactly. But I definitely want to take time off rushing new commitment right now because you only have so much time. For you know, short time, there's going to be definitely listening and keeping my eyes open. But I don't wanna do anything with the big commitment. I wanna be wouldn't be right now, you mentioned you Trevor Lynn that is good for you. You mentioned traveling in a second ago. And I remember talking to him after he retired sometime after he retired. And I said, what was the moment where you really realize that you were done because when when an event happens in I'm retired doesn't hit you all of a sudden. And he said it didn't hit me until I was in the dentist chair. And I was getting my teeth fixed. Because there's no point when you're playing go and get your teeth. They said that was the moment where it really sunk in that. I'm not going back. Have you had that experience yet? You had a moment. We said, wow. This is really it for me. No. I haven't had that yet. And I'm okay with it. I I was in the dentist chair yesterday. And I didn't feel that way. So. Honestly in the dentist chair yesterday getting my teeth fix and didn't feel anything like that. I mean, I don't I don't I don't need that. And I haven't announced my retirement next. I don't even know. Like, right. I'm not gonna throw something out there. And then change my mind later like some guys sometimes I don't have to label. What I'm doing right now. Like, you know, I'm in great great shape. I just maybe just take the whole year off and play next year knows right? You wanna leave everything out there? So I haven't categorized. What I'm doing right now. I'm kind of in Burton, Tori. But I haven't had that moment. No, okay. So with a nod to the fact that you may wanna come back next year. And I I would love to see that. I think it would be great to watch. But you know, the the connective announced they're going to retire the numbers next season as part of the fiftieth anniversary, and the one thing I do believe is that team. Whether the numbers are retired like the deans will be or you get put on the ring of honor. Like, I hope when it's all done like boroughs Kessler. Yourself the twins obviously, a land vino like all the guys who were there for that. The key guys. I think you guys should all get honored in some way. Would that be important to you to have your name up there? I don't think it would be super important for that to happen. But if it did I obviously would be super appreciative and and humble diet. Like though that was like like we talked about I was great time in history. And I love the city I still love the city of anchor. I still think the city is going to be my future at some point. I'm going to be living there, again, not sure what's going to what the future holds what's gonna happen. But that was a good stretch run. And knows time time will tell I mean, the city and have to be honored right away. I think in my opinion immediately for their contributions are just two special people. And and people people seem to think that the the city at an easy pop feel like people saying that it was always good times for them. And when I first got there, it was not good times. At all. The media was all over them. The city was all over them. There were signing warm up that weren't very nice. And these guys are two of the mentally strongest people. You'll ever meet and on top of that just great great human everyone. I mean, I'm not saying anything that people don't know like, but they really are great humans. They really are all the ups and downs that go on throughout the season and all the negative stuff. And the you know, the bad plays at happen. And the team these guys I can never say one bad thing. One bad thing about not not one time that they retained me on me or bug me. Did I hear him talking trash about not one time and their whole career? And I don't think I could say that about anybody else. But not even close anybody else that ever played with so to special people that should be honored right away. And then whatever else happens after that. On the scoreboard here in Vancouver. Ten years ten years of his professional career spent with the connects. He gets a rousing standing ovation from the crowd for him. I know it's an emotional return to Vancouver for him. He get the luxury of being able to talk the rank defensive treat the x a little bit differently than they treated Ryan kesler. But big part of the connects very involved in the community here, very popular with teammates nearly six hundred games with the connects. With this question when you look back not trying to wrap if your career here. But when you look back on what you've done so far. What did you take? The most frightening are kind of kind of trying to respect the fact that you're not making an official decision yet at the same time. Media guys a little bit of slack. When you look back up what you've done so far. What do you take the most pride in? What do I take the most? And actually, I think I know an answer this question. I I'm not gonna name so it talking to somebody other day, and or wise were also talking and she was saying to my wife, whatever we came up the other day and amongst the girls, and everyone just misses you so much in love, you know, what you guys are still around kind of thing. And she's like, I should feel good because you guys have done things right way, your whole career and everybody misses you nothing but a positive impression on the hockey world. And I think maybe that's the thing. I would you know, appreciate that publish the most is I think I was always a great teammate to everybody that I played with whether it was the star players the young guys the call ups the fourth line siders treated everyone. Well, and I made a lot of great relationships and. And I'm probably proud about the most great awesome. That's listen. Kevin first of all we look forward to the new Kevin Biak cucumber seeds podcast be dropping relatively soon. And listen, thanks so much best of luck in whatever. You choose to do. Nice. Okay. Block is my pleasure. Thank you. Kevin. I really liked the fire said that sounds like something you would say I really enjoy. I loved it was good. It was. Pas the gravity of the moment to sink in with a good pause. Looking stream over five hundred NHL games. Blackout free sports net. Now is the product for you available to anyone over the internet sportsmen now gives you twenty four seven access to sports nets channels, including content not available on television. You can stream on the go or at home on your big screen from the most popular devices, including smartphones, tablets, apple TV, XBox, PlayStation and chrome calf sign up for as long as you want. And cancel it whenever you'd like you can also seem NBA Premier League and all your favorite sports original programming in more. Visit 'Send now dot CA for more details. Okay. So that was Kevin be exa actually the Vancouver Canucks ex of the Anaheim ducks, and maybe ex of the NHL stay tuned for that news. But as you can see that's your first time listening to Kevin Biak say long form you probably saying yourself right now. This guy can pretty much do what he wants. Now that the game is over form don't say that he wants to do media. He can do media always say might want to come back next year. I'm saying when it is over for Kevin Biak say it is when is it officially it's officially over. He can do kind of what he wants the industry is dying for more guys like that stay what's on their mind present. Now have fun now. I talked a lot last year. Bo how much I love interviews between Patrick maroon and gene Principe when maroon was an oiler I had the same amount. If not maybe even more love for Kevin be accident Murphy together as a battery of interviewer and interviewee every little walk off was good. Every interaction was fun. Was entertaining. Two points is all the most important thing especially game like this. When you couple of two leasing. Yeah. I think you know, let's look at the positives for once we scored five goals. It's pretty good for us. We haven't scored many goals lately. So generate some offense we got a couple of ugly greasy goals and obviously a couple of couple goals against a couple top bounces. I think, but we know we got the two points, and we need to point. The greasy goals. You guys talked about meeting some puck luck as well. You think a game like this can help the other the other guys goals are Tracy mine were some pretty what's the question, though, turn things around perhaps. Well, I hope so I think it's just one of those things where it's it's contagious snowballs when nobody scoring and you know, you're scoring one goal the game. And everyone's grip in the sick. And the other goalies are set on their heads. It kind of gets into your head think we put a nice effort into night, hopefully, it snowballs contagious exit with a couple of goals winning overtime. Let's go upstairs to John. Sweater flirting everytime. Everytime action. Dan murphy. Built for it. Yes. He is. Now, I always believe that people wanted people to say things honestly to a certain point because we always complain that people don't speak freely. And then we these say something like me rip them. But I think we're finally moving a little bit away from that. I hope the the one thing he'll say there that will certainly an even he said, should we be talking about this on pretty thoughts was the whole Lucci thing. I think that is one of the real interesting things facing hockey as a whole. So last Saturday night Duncan Keith gets thrown out of the game for that heat undo bay. And I didn't think Duncan Keith should be thrown out. But the referee's got to make that call super fast. There's no replay in Nick said, I I don't think that should happen. In killing is position was it's changed. Now. You know, what Lucci did to Joseph Matthew Joseph b exit ten fifteen years ago. Ago. Not even that was okay. And now, I think that's a big issue. Like a lot of people look at that and say, that's not okay anymore. But I still think there's a group of people, especially former players look at it. Like, if you do that, we liked the fact that you would pay in your own way. Handful of guys is still do that though we talked a lot about Tom Wilson cycle. I mean Lucci. But the point is that a lot of people find that acceptable who played. Yeah. Or are a little bit older. So they're at the tail ends of the career transition. They still think that that is what hockey is our people our age, right? Like, Jeff you, and I both understand that if I obviously played a high level. But like if you cross check someone you could get a shot back now, that's not necessarily acceptable one punishment does not fit that crime. And that the difference between now and. And then yes. But there is that to your point that older demographic. And then I still maintain there's still some of the younger demo still thinks that that's fine. And like that that gets I think it's less because going up ever understood. Oh, if you're going to do to someone you're going to have to stand up and face it when I was a kid on the playground. I remember the first time I got punched in the face because I was I was asking for and, but now, you know, it's different times are different now. Interesting interview with with Kevin and he was fantastic. All right. Let's do some ask thirty one here to wrap up the old podcast. This one comes from Brody. What do you believe the problem between Todd McLellan, and yes, he pull your v is why you can't get first line minutes when the others are quite weak at right wing and eat a hard right hand shot on PP one. Hashtag ask thirty one coaches want to win. And you look at time McClellan the heat was on him at the beginning of the year this year. Something fierce, do you think he's sitting pull Yar if he things pull you are you can help them win. No. And here's further fuel to that. He's working allow with Manny vivre. More so than Todd McLellan whenever I see a situation that I wonder to myself has Todd we all have preconceived notions about players in different situations. And I look at that. And I say to myself is that Todd McLellan saying, I don't know what to here with this player. He's not fitting Manny can you get through to him. Yes. I wonder if he was close he's a couple of days ago to getting sent to Bakersfield, he's not playing. That's the end of the world. That's what I'm saying. I don't think it's the end of the world going play. If there's not a spot few next to Leon dry settled not a spot next to con- mcdavid Foy. There's nothing wrong with going to Bakersfield and playing when I look at at play RV. Now, we say myself. So what is he like what kind of player is? He's not a blazing foot speed guy. His shot is still it's like a nineteen seventies long drag kinda shot like, I don't know what type of player he is. Like, I don't know who he is. And you might translate while he hasn't been given a long enough stretching. He's third year. Pro like, I don't know who he is. And I don't know what he's going to become they still see a lot of. Well, I don't like the skating, and I still haven't seen the shot evolve. Into what a shot it's supposed to be in two thousand eighteen who is this guy. And then I think to myself this is me thinking this time Cohen thinking, and maybe more importantly, Wisconsin mcdavid thinking, what's the dry sidled thinking? So might not just be about to brody's question might not just be taught. No, I think that guys wanna win and they'll put guys out there who they think will help them win. And for whatever reason Todd McCullough doesn't think this guy's capable of getting him to win. From Bishop is there a coach more important who his team than very trots? This year. Maybe not when I did that big Vars piece. One of the players told actually two of them told me they thought the season was going to be a disaster. They really did. They thought the organization would have a hangover losing virus. And it was just going to be a nightmare. And they both said that they realise that lamb Lello trots. They had a plan. They're gonna come in. This is how we're going to do things and every day was shaped awards this as how we're going to do things and they realized they had hoped now. I know you're a PD guy. And I'm a PD oh guy. And I guess right now, the analytics guys will say it's still might be a long season by the still like I mean, the thing is you got ride it while you can. And the thing that really impressed me about wise that these islanders guys would mid they thought this year was gonna stink. They had a positive attitude after training camp. They believed in what these guys were selling them and so much about. It is can you sell ice the eskimo? Can you do that? And looks as if they have convinced these guys that there's reason to believe to me, the lenders are the opposite of the era Zona coyotes, Arizona coyotes this year, we're doing everything right? You look at all the underlying outside of take thing and putting it over the red line did everything. Right. And they couldn't score. They couldn't score five on five. They couldn't score power of the couldn't score. And now they just lost Philadelphia Flyers and their home stand. But when it turned around it really turned around, and you can make the argument they might be the best team in the Pacific. That's how good Arizona's been hundreds of kind of the opposite. That all the underlying numbers, look awful and completely unsustainable. Yet have a look at the top of the metropolitan on right it while you can enjoy it while it's there Vegas had a full season last year. Like that there's been tons of Minnesota all Arado did. In the lockout shortened from van prospects. How much does a player being thought of as injury prone affect their trade value? If x it a lot because in the salary cap era, one of the things that people talk about is if you're gonna give a long-term deal number one. Are they critical your team and number two? Do you know that they can stay healthy because if you give somebody a term deal in the cap system, and they can't stay healthy, you can really screw up your sys- situation. So I do think that injuries absolutely matter. Here's an interesting one from Michael own guys. When do we see a multi positional player into the league like Otani in baseball an elite goaltender moons light moonlights as an elite defense her forward is this even possible at the NHL level. Let me help you with that. When you about. Goalies. No. That's a great question. Actually, I like that question. But what maybe not like a goaltender skater? But I think the day of more position less hockey is going to come. Thank you. How will your kids you wanted to say like a hockey dad or like a human being a human being eight and six? Okay. Yes. That's right. And so their ages how much position was hockey to your guys play my six year old more because he plays half ice. Yes. But the eight year old plays AAA plan the full flooring. Okay. But I do think this is coming where more Monir hockey coaches are going to start to teach that of course. Yes. And I do think it might not be in this generation. But the next generation of player will turn out more position less players. And you see it now once upon a time, you know, it's not, you know, the center in I on the four check. It's the F one way to position is if you're the first one on the parking right wing, or it's on the left side. Guess what you're the F one. Yeah. I'm with you. I think they'll be positions you line up as for a draw. And then when the puck drops is no more position, no more position. But what you don't have. But I wonder if now Ford trophies hard like what's the defense? Well, that's the least of my concern. But you know, for example, I do think you're gonna see kids who are hybrid forwards defencemen. He can put them out there to play forward. And they'll have the skills to be able to play d I do think that day is coming right Kelly. Yeah. That's that. It's okay. Greg my Connie Mak reference. It's really hip to the kids. I know you like my red killing three went from the late fifties sixties, eight Stanley Cups. Here's an interesting one. And the answer is no. But I just wanna throw it out there for sake of exercising rains, Dave, Charlotte. Kid, we open or shillue could we see a time when players negotiate for a percentage of cap instead of hard dollar numbers. For example, could Matthews asked for eighteen percent of the cap for eight years. This would keep star players always paid as star players. It's a great question right now. It's not no. I wonder if in the future, they would consider that great brainy bubblegum though, right? I would love that. If I was a team in probably not so much Stephen Bannister. Hey, Jeff, Elliot to ref contracts ever get openly discussed curious would refs who manage to be selected to officiate the Stanley Cup. Final getaway bump they all make extra money in the playoffs. During one of the CBA's. I was told about what the contracts were one of the things they told me was there is a salary scale for referees and linesmen, and it was good money like top referees were making. I think a couple hundred thousand dollars a year, maybe a bit more. There was also about who got to fly first class or not I care if everyone date or was just over a certain amount of distance. That was a big issue. I remember one year they were telling me they were all fighting over you guys still have reporters we fight about that too. And then there's the extra money for certain assignments. Absolutely. But yes, there was a salary scale. It doesn't get publicized. But there was one. I do remember in basketball. They got an it was because they all got nailed for it or bunch of them. Did they all got first class travel? And there were some of them who would go to the counter they would say I don't need to fly first class. So they would downsize for an economy ticket and they would pocket the difference. And but yet the Claire that and the IRS bunch of them got caught dried and some of them got house arrest and. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Easy. Now, I are tax evasion now. And I remember there was one referee was the toughest referee in the NBA. If you ever if Steve javale ever showed up you knew you were not to act up because he took no crap. And he was the one guy who went in and he faced the IRS court, and he beat them. Wow. NBA Mark Carvalo. It says finish up on this one. I've never been a make the NHL exactly like the NBA kind of person. But do you see a time when the allow music during play I mean, wouldn't that be a nice home ice advantage? Having the intervening guy tried to distract the road team or pump up the home team during play you know, what a big cross fan. I go LA as many lacrosse games as possible. Love the NFL and they play music while the game Science Fantastic. Love it. I can't remember if this changed but back when I covered it. You're only allowed to play when the visiting team had the ball. I sort of the homes even had the ball. Excuse me, the home team had the ball. I think that chain. Changed? You know? I have no problem with the in game experience doing that. Like, I I really don't if you think it rows up your fans, I'm all for that was really interesting listening to Jason spats. And when he was talking about the late Ray Emory last week, and he was talking about how AMR would have been perfect for the league now. Yeah. And I think we're going there like we are finally taking the shackles off the players, and I think all this stuff is possible in the future. Amen. Preach on on that wrap up one. Thank heaven be exa for stopping by the podcast today. 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Paul Stastny and Six More, Please

"Too much sun. My voice sounds okay though it does feel deeper than you're elliott. I want to open up with a true or false question so far. All the games in the play offs have been excellent true or false true. It's been really good man. It's been great early early a couple of days but it's been really good you'll watching the starter that florida tampa game over. Vegas was a little subdued because there were no goals it was still a great luck and plus i love everything. Vegas does to put on the show but watching those fans in florida going bananas. During that game i sat there and said i am so jealous one of the two things that made me jealous this weekend. Watching mike altieri the longtime media leader of the los angeles kings seeing that he had two holes in one during a gulf round on saturday. That made me really jealous. And then seeing all those fans at the florida tampa bay game and it stinks that for two great series like that are going to be toronto and montreal and edmonton winnipeg the we won't get that. It stinks. i'm jealous. We'll talk about that with eric. Ingles a little bit later on also on today's podcast. We should point out. Since you mentioned the winnipeg jets. Paul any of the staff knee hockey family. Legendary name will be stopping by the podcast of the winnipeg staff of the winnipeg staff. He's a. he was born in quebec city. I believe technically paul was and his dad. Was i think the only player ever to suit up. Internationally for three countries tickled so vodka. Canada and slovakia. Man i could go on about peter staff the all day long and there's a lot of stuff about peter's in the interview later on with paul so stay. Tuned volvo was born in quebec city right about that boom must still got it. Free just got it still got it all got okay elliott. We have to talk about florida tampa. We have to talk about florida tampa. We have to talk about florida tampa so at some point in the third period of that game. I got a tweet from. Gabby name of jeffrey mullen who tweets at me shades of the norris division. Just much more talented remember most norris division playoff games like there wasn't the most talent in the nhl like as you'll recall. You could make the playoffs in the norris division by getting sixteen points but the games were so a dead's what's he got to the postseason. And i think mullah nails it on this one super talented super violent super rough. Everybody fully committed every single shift. That was florida tampa. Won fourteen lab brayden point with his second of the game. Five four final elliott. Oh great game but the thing that really did it to me was the pace. It was fast and it never seemed to slow down That was what did the speed in. The breathless pays the way the game was played. I don't know how you could keep that up for a full playoff series. Never mind a run. That was a great game. It was the best game that i think a lot of us have seen this year. It will be very difficult to beat that in terms of great games that we see for the rest of the playoffs. Put you hope that we see it was fantastic hockey and you know what jeff to me. It was the crowd we've gotten used to watching sports without crowds. Yeah that crowd really made it for me and again. I'm jealous that we're gonna do two rounds at least ear in canada and there's going to be no fans in the building you know. Toronto montreal should have a crowd. Yep edmonds in winnipeg should have a luck. I realized there are bigger things at play here. Don't come at me with those takes. I'm just saying that. I appreciate even more what. It's like to see a building where the people are going crazy. Because they're so entertained by game maybe the best example of that and there were a few in this game. The bobrovsky saves on sara lee late in the third cernak are shy. He's going to carry it this time. Pass along the far wing for stamkos got away from him. Picked up though out in front really not once but twice a series of say how back in shorts ski and the puck taken by four slanging control zone point blank when he makes those saves like the place just erupts. There were so many of those moments in this game. Like after every whistle crowd was going nuts. After some of those like huber no pass and i know there's a little bit of luck involved in it when you watch in real time. It looks clean. Pass the past that hubert. Oh makes on the typical up. we'll roll it up. The near boards gave it away. Huber to elaine left sidewalks lubinov brought back can't throws tip and then the panthers four three lanes hoover onoda temple in the panthers are up ago. Oh in his regain the lead for the panthers. Y'all rudo at the brutal giveaway. He had it just a lazy pass and it gets picked off by hoopoe part net. Dr doesn't get the original saw it but disabled control the puck and then he spins around on his forehead and finds tip on the far side into an empty net. The panthers have a couple of quick goals. Here start the third like everybody's biting that. There's no way he's gonna pass it to tip it and he forces it over and the place comes unglued like i'm with you. A hundred every time ryan lumbergh. Okay i don't know how many how many minutes of your life you've spent thinking about ryan lumbergh but i bet you thought about him a lot tonight and everybody did. Every time he did something. The crowd got up coughs chances. The crowd got up a playoff. Sam bennett showed up right every time. Florida did something. The place was just charged and it was great. And you're right like there was never a moment in this game and we see this all sports but especially flow games like you can understand. The first ten minutes being chaotic and being insane but then the game settles and they're sort of becomes a pocket or vacuum where the game kind of lives. That didn't happen on sunday night. There was no settling. there is no vacuum. There was no pocket for this game to sit in. They just sprinted For three periods and when nola cheri made that save throw they sequence begins down to our left in the lightning habit here. Headman kucherov turnaround shot. Loosen frothy safe. Oh me put there by nola. Chari on erik cernak. It wasn't mcgruff. Ski was noah char- who maybe made the biggest save of the game for the panthers. Right there is turnout who steering vacated net bobrovsky was across to his right having made the previous save one a safer macharia now. An icing call against the panthers and please glued again. The whole thing was was fantastic. What are some of your takeaways from a really entertaining game one. Why expect six more of these. That's my number one takeaway oso. I'm curious to see. There's some goaltending decisions. They're going to have to come here if you're joel. Quenneville what are you doing in game two Propriety maki saves man. I'm not saying it. He you know i remember. This is going back a long way. I leave game. I ever covered on the road for the fan howard burgers wife Went into labor. And i went to madison square garden. I think it was marcel. Coups knows first annual game. Wow and start against the rangers. I think they lost six five. The leaves dead. And i thought he made a bunch of really good saves and mike murphy was the coach i said. What did you think of coups he goes gave up six goals. So i'm curious to see how joel quenneville feels about that. Yes bobrovsky made some good saves. He gave up five goals at the same time. This is a significant investment. And you know what's what's the thing that we talked about this with columbus tampa was the best thing that john tortorella did left them in yup. That's a good call. I'm not saying the situations of the same because they're quite different other than the fact that it's tampa bay and it's that goaltender so i don't know my my inclination would still be again. I ain't joe quinn vilain making these decisions. I'm talking from the backseat. My hands are nowhere near a wheel here but my inclination would be leave bob in for the next game by the way. There's a lot of line mad hulk smash because of kucherov and and stamkos. I heard from some teams not only during the game but leading up to it too. Here's the thing number one once you open the door. How are you going to close it. See i don't like one thing in this league. I don't like and this is one thing we're berkey and i really fought. I don't like that. Vancouver has roberta luanda's cap recaptured charge against it. I do i if you approve a contract. I don't believe you should be allowed to retroactively. Go back and punish them for it. I think that's a joke really. I don't like it at all now. Having said that that was collectively bargained. I still don't like it. I still think it should have been grandfathered right. I don't disagree okay. So this whole thing with kucherov and lt our first of all vancouver benefited from that for years when lawrence gilman was there and he was the gm to mcgillis. They used to manipulate it all the time chicago. Did it in two thousand fifteen with patrick kane. Now that that's happened a couple of times. It's very hard for me to listen to people. Scream bloody murder about it now. Once you've allowed it you've allowed it you can do it and you know that's the way it is i to me and you know pierre lebrun. I'm sure he doesn't waste any of his time listening to this podcast but he will laugh because he had to basically when he ran the media hockey pool. I used every loophole. i could find. He basically had to ban everything. I did So i like. I'm all for loopholes if i wasn't. Nhl team i would be saying. What do we have to do to use these loopholes. But you know. I was talking with someone this weekend. If you really wanted to fix it what would you do. And you know one of the things i was saying was maybe a guy has to do minimum practices. 'cause kucherov practiced. I think for twelve days before their first game. Maybe they're not allowed to practice for that law he. Oh maybe it's a max three days or something like that. I don't know. See the and the other thing i have to say. That mentioned that to someone and someone said to me the problem is what if they're coming back from something like a concussion. You can't do that right. So i don't know what the answer is but the bottom line is to me is once it's been accepted practice and it is accepted practice. Everyone should just be doing it until everyone agrees to stop it. Well if it's that much of an issue you know the ultimate answer for it is. What's at south cap luxury tax. Hey you're preaching to the converted here but you think that's going to happen. No i don't but if you really if you really think that it's an issue if the nhl really thinks that it's an issue and really wants to do something about it. That is one of the things you can do the whole the whole time. And we're all reading the cap circumvention stuff. My point is jeff. I don't even think they care about it really 'cause they don't do anything about it. I'm with you but they did do something about something. A couple of times of significance about cap circumvention like the whole time. That i'm i'm reading all these tweets of a cap circumvention. Oh who's is number eighty six. He's really good haha. Where did they get him from. Where's he been hiding all season long. It gets this new version of who was it. The oilers used to bring in railroad selena re route salon. Yeah orissa landon would come in. They choose the raver rules. Because i think minnesota did it. With ron wilson to think it was italy and then came back and played playoffs with the north stars. So meeting all these tweets. All i can think about is how tampa bay lightning you know looking at the loophole using it to their advantage. And here we are all i could think about. Was that first ilya kovalchuk contract with new jersey jersey and how it didn't contravene the cba other than it contravened. This vague notion of the spirits of the cbi it didn't feel rights teams. Didn't like it. The nhl didn't like it so went to arbitration and they had to review the contract. But that was a whole. They wanted tweet ozone different. Times elliott cova. Chuck's first contract says hi. Those all i could think about which shows maybe how petty i am through all these discussions about dan. You're doing But we're getting sidetracked. One of the things. I did want to bring up to. And they did mention this in the broadcast. I should point out his well part of the time. I'm watching this and seeing how far florida's come and seeing how much of a like a a real high end team. This has become an all i could think about. Was one of our podcasts or delay. The season when keith yandell was going to be scratched and it was sunday and we sat here doing the podcast for each. And there's yandle and he scores a goal and the place goes crazy form before that when they're doing the introductions the guys are happy that yandle is coming out and keep handles not going to be scratched like this has been a really interesting and emotional season for the florida panthers. New general manager comes in a lot of new players. Come in. there's the yandle drama. There's the goaltending controversy all season long. And i know they didn't win on sunday night. Tampa takes game one right. They win five four bruise an outstanding game and a great team had to play a great game to beat the a pushed tampa like crazy s. Florida was never out of this game for a second. They're always in it. There was a sam bennett controversy early and then boom they ignore it and right away bump barkov scores by the way. I did think that was a goal. I don't think that's no goal interference. If you're not going to allow goals like that there's going to be too many goals wiped out in the playoffs and you really have to push a guy into the net for it not to count to me. That was a battle pushing the pad. You can disagree with me. You'll be totally wrong but you can disagree with me. Listen like i always tell you reach out agree with you. If you're right trestman. I would you know the other thing too about florida is jeff. I really thought before the season there was a decent chance that joel quenneville could be the first coach in seattle that. Maybe if this season didn't go well yeah. The two teams would find a way for it to happen because new. Gm new gm. And i think that he would be guy that ron francis would love to have but now how can that happen now. That's you can't do that. You can't listen. i'm with you fridge. Get six more games like that That is just pure hockey heaven. But i'll tell you man so far. All these games have been great one other thing one of the things now. I'm having trouble with one thing of watching on florida okay. I'm debating their sixty from my five-person norris ballot. i'm debating. how high. I wanna put weaker. And all i'm saying. Is i think it could be very high and playoffs. Don't count so. I'm really trying to ignore what he's doing as i decide how high i wanna put them. So what are the other names. You have on their. I'm guessing you have victor hedman on their. Yes that's one. I'm guessing you also have adam fox on there that's two i'm guessing you also have jeff petri on. They're not one of the top six. Do you have shea theodore on the s. I'll tell me why. At this one time i will just tell you who they are. Jacob slaven oh going away. Oh yeah and my car so six guys for five spots and wieger for me. You know. i'm thinking about it. So i got a kind of watch the game and ignore. Yeah good luck. Nor like what. I'm trying to do here. Plows aren't supposed to count right. Yeah ballots are due on thursday. Good luck with that. Although you know what slavin's going to be great oil you know he's gonna be great and so as camel car the tough thing with macarthur's games played for me like i've always said like people are like well. He a great numbers and he played less games. Shouldn't that matter and i think it's fantastic. He's the only point per game defenseman the angel this year by like i do think hardly the nhl games played matters. So it's a really tough call for me. It really is all right. Jon cooper joel quenneville six more of those. Please thank you and without. We'll kick it off free. We're ready to go. Welcome to thirty-one thoughts the podcast presented by the gmc sierra eighteen again. They had a good day in the face off circle. The tarantula fails to clear penalty. Time is over stanley feet in front of shock and they scar joe eriksson act winston and overtime three twenty into the extra period. Found the just a few feet in front of the crease. At minnesota tapes game greenway went down to a knee in the left corner but transload defending look like greenway was down and out managed to get the fee to the crease. And right out in front with joel eric. At nineteen goals in the regular season at this one defeats vegas. It's a one nothing final score. Okay it's taking awhile but joel eriksson. Ac has arrived one. Nothing minnesota over vegas. It took overtime a really good game. Some great goaltending performances in this one of one of the stories hell happened even before the puck was dropped. And that is zach. Parisi healthy scratch. What do we do with this. Elliott's number one. I think they do legitimately feel that. They're icing their best roster and it's tough to argue with the way that they're playing and the way that you know they. They won game one one. Nothing victory on the road in vegas. It's tough to argue with the results. The other thing that everyone's kind of watching here is what is this going to mean for the future. You know zach. Parise has four years left on his contract cap. It is seven five. There's ten million in cash six next year to the year after and then two final seasons of one. Look he's got control. He's got no move clause and the wild have some big decisions to make kevin fiala arbitration-eligible joel. eriksson eck. Who had a huge year is going to be a selke trophy. Contender scored the overtime winner. Arbitration eligible carrillo capris off. You know that they're going to have to get him done so this is a team. That's got three big contracts to deal with and you've got parisi for four more years last year at the deadline. Parisi the wild and the islanders were working on a trade that would send them back to new york and it had juice it had legs and the problem is that it was incredibly complicated and when it got out it just fell apart because of the complex nature of the deal. I think we're in a situation where the wild are making parisi realize that as a player his future is not with them that. There's a chance that there really isn't going to be a spot for him on the roster. So what is he going to be willing to consider if there's the possibility of going somewhere else where he can play You know he's a minnesota guy. He's got a minnesota connection. But i think the very least. He's being kind of warned that there may not be a future there for him. This is real tough. I mean this is. Would you agree with me. That's act parisi. Is the most popular hockey player. The minnesota wild have ever had. Yes i would say that. I mean a guy like capris of could eventually change that sure but this is just one one year end but as far as being loved end the story and dad and attachment to the state and all of it shattuck saint. Mary's the whole deal so like a lot of the nerves or close to the skin. This is not just a hockey situation. This is a this is a hard situation right. this is an emotional one. This is a tough one for bill. Garin this atop one for the minnesota wild injuries are always the wildcards specifically in playoffs. But i'm with you and this does very much feel like sack. Parisi has played his last game as a minnesota wild. The only reason. I'm not going to say that one hundred percent is because the world is a weird place. Yup and one thing we've learned this year's that nothing happens is normal. But what i do believe is that that's a possibility like parisi now has to realize that's a possibility and the other thing here too is the seven point five million dollar cap it. There's not a lot of teams are going to be able to handle that. But they might be willing to handle the cash like you said. There's one more year before it goes down and play especially on teams that need to hit the the cap floor and may wanna do it in a way that they don't pay a ton of cash. The way parisi contract is going is going to be valuable but you know last year. I believe that when they were talking about moving him the only place he really wanted to consider was the islanders. Is that because of lou. Yeah oh yeah because of Absolutely and they they were working on a deal involved. Andrew ladd mikko. Koivu was in the deal too and like i said it was. It was really complex and really complicated. It like i said i think this year. They are trying to get him to say okay. Maybe last year it was just new york. And i really don't wanna leave minnesota but i'm willing to consider some other situations to the game itself and this was a heavy hitter like right away and how many times on this podcast this season. We talked about these two teams when they get together. The games are great. And as you point out even though it's only one goal Is a one nothing game. Minnesota wins act with the the overtime winner. There were tons of chances. Like ryan hartman. I don't know how many chances ryan hartman head in this game but you know every time you look at the screen hartman's got another chance. Marc andre fleury. Excellent cam talbot excellent and everybody was finishing your checks the likes of which you would expect in game one of a playoff series with two teams that have gone right at each other all season. Long seventy one hits from minnesota fifty-seven for the vegas golden knights greenaway with eleven felino with dan reeves. What ten mcnabb with ten. What stood out for you though from that game one. What's though for me. It's the same thing that stood out in all of the other series we've seen so far you know. Washington was like this. Look at this show that ovechkin put on. Everybody says the refereeing changes in the playoffs. Right i will go to the end of my days saying jeff that the biggest change in the playoffs is not the refereeing. It's the players that there's more of an intensity there. Each has five to ten games a year where they're just not there because of the way the schedule is and the way it goes in the post season there are no no hitters. There are no games off unless the team has quit or is broken. The teams come to play and the players come to play so when everybody says to me. The standard of officiating changes in the play offs. I disagree completely. I think the refereeing is the same. I think what happens. Is the players change in the playoffs. They're much nastier. There must edgier. They're much meaner and they cheat a little bit more. So elliott has allender the draw. First blood the And this one's in overtime winner as well. Four three is the final islanders over the pittsburgh. Penguins kalpana. Mary leading the way with two goals. sean gabriel pageau With a goal and two assists me be questionable goaltending on the goal but nonetheless. Yeah what do you make of game one between these two. What's mike sullivan going to do. Is he gonna come back with jari. Don't know i mean to me. That's the biggest question that was the difference in the game. You automatically assume malkin's going to play that game too right and the fact he doesn't show up. Yeah you assume so. That's a red flag to me too. That you know malkin. Wasn't this two things for pittsburgh that concern me. Number one is that malkin doesn't mysteriously appear like kucherov in stamkos and whoever else does but the second thing is you know. What are you doing in goal are. Are you patient enough to go back with jari and game two or are you saying you know what we can't wait. Sarokin was excellent. Yup with thirty nine saves crosby again. Excellent the The hand eye on the goal is just next. Level and zero expected from sidney. Crosby start crying the jumbo over extra crispy plays. Sean begets a piece. In the penguins. Well it's all pressure from pittsburgh penguins in the second period in new york islanders. Not handling it well. Letty turns it over. Newlyn shot from a long way directed at. It's a one handed tip by sidney crosby. What way by the penguins captain. Watch the hand eye. Coordination hopes out at dachshund down scores the goal initially when the puck. But the one thing that i wanted to get your thoughts on was nominated to this game but we saw it on saturday night. And that's a sidney crosby colby armstrong interview. You look good. You make up a little bit. Might wanna think about it. You should maybe wear the hot. You're talking about said you're going wear a hat. When i was a senior big low freight now trying to look at your office here. Got me and stevie wi with the world championship title here. Check this oh see the back there. I got all the voice nice. I got a favorite winger alert from wilksbury booster club. That's that's really neat. Let's go so. Brian burke when your new boss is i guess you could call them him and i we go way back and he called me recently and said the team needs more truculent said so how do you how do you feel about me coming back on your way. I don't believe that at all. But i wouldn't think you'd be the guy pick if was trying to bring that to lineup. Breathe and all heavy on the bench. This interview is supposed to be about me but we were road roommate roommates for for a good while. What's your best. Colby armstrong story. I would say just your whole your whole game. Day routine with with alan that first time you through on the tv throw alanon and unlike what's what's going on here and then you start doing the dance. That she does when she comes out gets introduced and i was like what is this and then sure enough next game do it next game you do it. You gotta get gotta get dancing going to feel that it you know. They'll act like it didn't fire yup. Yeah i got me going. And here's why like it traditionally. We've seldom on television radio wherever podcast allowed players to talk to players that seldom happens part of the greatness that i thought the interview was great. I loved it. It was excellent of colby. Armstrong interviewing sidney crosby. His old teammate roommate was that this is a peek into two players talking to each other. They don't need someone like me or someone like you getting in the middle and getting in the way just let players talk to each other. Why do we try to complicated if you haven't heard it or seen it. We have it on our social channels Sidney crosby interviewed by called armstrong. What did you think of it fridge. Well first of all jeff. Thank you for advocating that. You and i have no appointment jake. Talk us out of a job. Well jefferson the podcast. That he's basically unnecessary. It's not wrong. The way i look at it this like i first of all. I think you should always try to take advantage of relationships course so if if someone has a good relationship with someone yes by all means you know. Let them do the interview. If that's it. I think it depends on what the interview subject is like i. I think if it's something that's fine absolutely armstrong and sid makes sense and i wouldn't be surprised if we do more of that if it's something that's a little more serious though. Are you comfortable putting a friend in that position. So i think it i think the situation matters The other thing i would just say too is that you know crosby's been interviewed so many times in our network i've had good ones with. I've had not good ones with him. That are probably more my fault than he is. I would just think that when you have somebody that you're going to talk to. As many times as crosby is in his career then why not mix up. the people. Let everybody kind of have an approach. That ron have it. Let colby have let christine simpson. Have it let myself have it. I was really happy with the one. I did last year with him on the ten year anniversary of the golden goal bite. I couldn't do the interview. That colby did with him on saturday. That was excellent yourself. A favor and And check that one out Boston washington This one's overtime. This one's nick dowd. Ot winner caps three boston to and coming out of its craig anderson. Thirty nine years of age is thus story what. A performance felt great for anderson. That night he someone that i've always liked Wonderful guy wonderful family is his wife. Nicole is a tremendous person. We've talked about on the show before about sharing for people. I was so happy for craig anderson. Yeah it was fantastic. I'm really happy for him to i. I thought that was a game that boston had to have because of the circumstances if boston loses that series. They're going to regret that game. I think they missed twenty one shots including some glorious great chances. They had to pressure anderson more. They didn't anderson battle the to me. That's all you ever wanna see on a team. Is you wanna see your goal tender battling or someone battling in a difficult situation and he one hundred percent did that i was. I was really happy for anderson and for nicole. Who knew that was watching. One of my sayings that i have. Jeff is that the regular at this time of year. The regular season doesn't matter. It's comes down to you. Know no matter how what kind of a year you've had especially if it's a bad one. The postseason allows you to make amends. You can write a new narrative and think immediately that is the case for ilya samsonov. We don't know as we tape this podcast. If he's going to start game. Two and listen to peter laviolette on sunday. I'm tend to believe he won't but lavel that is the king of postseason misdirection. So he could but you know samsonov twice on the covert list you know the organization not thrilled with him in coups netsov depending on what the situation with vantic is here samsonov suddenly as thrust into a more important position and he can put behind a really frustrating year and a year that i think the organization wasn't happy with and make everyone forget it if he comes out now and gives them any kind of goaltending okay so the scholarship north division still yet to get underway but elliott's attention there. We're gonna talk to eric angles here in a couple of moments who covers a montreal canadian's for sports net. He'll cover off the other. Toronto maple leafs in the montreal. Canadian series but up next paul status ni Who just played his one thousandth Nhl game which listen we've had we've had a full season of Of celebrations of milestones. For hockey players. We do every season but it seems as if for whatever reason they are just more profound achieving milestones in this of the most unique season anyone's seen in the nhl always looked staff. And this may sound weird. That's a really good hockey player. And by that. I mean when you're a guy that the coach can tap on your shoulder enact coach knows exactly what you're going to be able to do out there and is comfortable putting you in just about any situation. You're a good hockey player. I want all the time in the world for this guy. And he's an honest player. I think good teams need players like paul staff the on their squad and listen. The family name is legendary. And i'll come up in the interview but the name paul stastny. What's jumping your mind. I've always been impressed by the way. He's able to articulate the game and that is probably not a great answer from him in terms of his hockey sense. But i've found it very valuable. Whenever i've asked him a question whenever i'm looking in explainer and it's helped me in broadcasts and blogs that if i ask him a question as to why does this happen or how does this happen. He describes it in a way. That's easy for me to understand and therefore helps me convey to the masses. So that's probably not the answer that you were thinking of or that. Maybe even he would want me to give but his immediate member who tries to help the fans consume the game. I find that very valuable. So what you're saying is if he wanted to he could come for all of our jobs. Yes like you're basically giving away our jobs this. We don't need to do interviews and paul's you can talk and after the break you'll hear from paul. Stastny the winnipeg jets. Elliot pleased to be joined now by paul stastny of the winnipeg jets who joins us in advance of their opening round series against the edmonton oilers. Polfer's vall thanks so much for joining us and on a scale of one to the sky is falling. How concerned should we be that. You didn't skate sunday with team. Yeah not concerned at all. Just a big sports on tv golfers early tennis's on your restraints to get to get out of practice. I like that senate tax. Cc kevin chevrolet off. Paul maurice and teammates. I'm just gonna lie in bed today. And i'll see tomorrow that's a good one. Yeah well listen when you when you escaped. One thousand games does come privileges so a bladed. Congratulations on non skating. In thousand games in the nhl. We've talked a lot about milestones as season most recently of course patrick marlowe With the san jose sharks. But there's a few things there The jersey which was such a nice touch with the number one thousand there was the video from draper and riley. What stood out from that day for you. I think just like the outpouring of like messages that we got all of my wife and i My mom and my dad just people around the league that we played with you know i think we we made it a conscious effort to be good people and it's not about hockey so every time we played for four different teams three different cities or four different cities. I don't even know whatever it is but we don't. yeah sometimes. it's nice being everything time that doesn't mean much. I think my wife. And i always go make an effort to make good relationship with people that help us or whether it's neighbors or whether it's you know factors different people at school and not just hockey show right just people that we didn't think we'd left you know they've been impact on you know we're following us and keeping tabs on us and that's you know feels pretty special very humbling. When you see that you know what i love. I the fact that your kids got their own midi silver sticks. I thought that was a great touch. Yeah i mean kudos than hats off to the patient. I think I don't think i've ever seen that. I think My kids were pumped about it and then my wife said that my son was dirt on then. A hockey game breaks in slots right. Grab ury everything. Shut down last year. The road for a while so i think more. I think my kids were just so pumped to be a hockey game and i was trying to warn them like you know there's gonna be no fans there. There's no family room with other kids but they still had a blast and my son was playing with the silver state for a little bit until You know they switch out. They'll plastic during the game but the one thing that sucks about this pandemic. there's many things. But i feel bad for the kids. A lot of these young kids know they're so used to playing with other kids and just enjoying each other's times and especially you know things open up for a little bit and they shut down for a bit and it's very interesting. You don't know what's going to happen. I mean i was always worried about the future for them but at the time you realize you know they just want iraq and play games with other people and there's only so much mom and dad time they can have and there's always so much time they spend right bad you know when they get out when they play hockey or play soccer play whatever he realize how much how much speaking of family i can remember my dad telling me about your dad before the nineteen seventy-six canada cup. You gotta see peter staff all you got. All the legend of peterson. Fast growing before the The the canada cup that year. I've always been curious. And maybe there's no real profound answer to it because you're in the middle of it but what was it like growing up as the son of in my opinion one of the best hockey players the games ever seen. Yeah i think i was not used to it. I think there wasn't as much Social media or internet or you great. So yeah i think for me growing up. We didn't go to as many games. Either gaza youngest four so she you know i was the tail end of things. But there's times where i realized how many people valued is opinion and just to get input. You know just having my dad as a father more and more important than anything was just you know you don't want to listen to what your parents when you're younger than when you're older you realize you're right coal ties. Yeah especially like my first year pro. And i've played with sack enter john and floaty perry air those guys. It also does my dad or had involved dad and just kinda came full circle. You know once you start hearing stories about that. Then i've always respect him obviously as a player and as a person but you can appreciate more and more of hugging hockey player. He was and how you never kinda. He was who he is. You know he never strayed away from where he was whether he was. You know twenty five years old league or whether he was four years old and raising his kids he's always kinda stayed true to his beliefs and values and i think that's the biggest thing take out of an and you realize how lucky i am. I'll tell you that is such a profound observation. There's a there's a wonderful quote from mark twain when he talks about when he was fourteen years old his father. You know he thought was so ignorant and couldn't stand to have them around by the time he turned twenty one. He was astonished at much. The old man had learned in seven years. It's a really wonderful wonderful way to contextualized something. That i think paul. We've we've all gone through elliott. Go ahead apply. I was going through. Just i don't know a rabbit hole last week. I i was watching some old nordiques and canadians games. I'm just curious. What is your dad. Tell you about those games. You never talk guys who know my dad. Well i think it would be like. He never talked about himself but then when we do have people who on people asking questions that's one of the answers and that's a lot of times when i kind of you know. Keep my ears open and listen to those stories. and whether it's christmas parties or weddings kind of toys kinda. My buddy's parents that grew up in his generation are the ones always asking questions about whether it's the canada cup whether it's affecting whether it's those rivalries and that's what i listened but he doesn't really talk. I talk about himself. And then sometimes we'll talk about highlights and see the you know the game winner. See the one day laws and even remember every little play that kinda you know for good fortune or that went against him and you know he's still remember those days but that's about him. I think he's very humble and he. Just listen the president now. I think he's just kind of watching the kids grow up. And he's our biggest fan and watch it every game and he still thinks the obvious things to be all the time like that. I know you told me this every week. Like i know speaking treatable. Forget i mean how often have you had a gender with dueling alone on your father. He do you want to get to you in the jets but fascinated with your dad and your entire family. How often would you go back and watch old video of your dad. And and what did you. What do you think of him as a player during the pandemic here that you said Or back home in vegas. Or they're showing they should a couple of games on angel- network. I think it was. I don't know if it's an eighty four eighty five macho game seven. I don't even know if games whatever was. But i remember my dad every time i missed a game or if i'm hurt my dad always kind of you know sally makes like home so we always get hurt you know. I thought i'd never missed a game and watching the game. Five so the first round specified. I'm watching. I'm like that. Where are you like. Oh i always heard. I missed game. Four make fun of me all time but you get hurt is a steel against the biggest private game five. you know. somebody's but it was. It was fun to watch. I think i to me. I'm like a student of the game. I like initially game. So i've seen highlights and you know it's fairly similar. Sometimes when you see the way skates the way you plays you know how like similar to it time. It's more about the source of guys to play with about. And i can see it. I see competitive juices. I've seen in my whole life whether it's on the tennis court whether it's on the soccer field whether it's playing against him in chess right. There's never want to lose and you know you had that same tally on the ice. And if he lost he'd be pissed off when talking run if he wanted you know he'd be the happiest guy in the world. Just you know the sun's coming up all time but he wanted to win. You know you'd win at all costs and time you know. He wasn't afraid of her and he wasn't afraid of anything and obviously him defecting lock their czechoslovakia when my mom was nine months. Pregnant kind of you know that was kind of the first apple realizing you know he's when you grow up with little you know and it can be taken away from that any time. I think it makes you that much more hungry. And i think that that's where his hunger from so going into the playoffs here this year. It hasn't been an easy finish for the jets and i know. There's a lot of theories paul. Does it matter how you go into the play oss to you a guy who seen everything. Does it matter how you go into the playoffs. Yeah sometimes yeah sometimes. now. I think i've been on teams adult both and some have been good something bad. Whatever you can predict it. I fully think you can't just flip the switch. I don't like that when people think that. I think he can't just do that. I think if good have it and you're losing games and you've had some bad bounces but you're you're figuring things out. I think that's important. And i think that's what paul Maurice's really is. You know trying to find a good habits and especially and you're like this where you're playing the same teams or playing essential playoff teams about you know things we might do in our game like we would try different things last eight nine games. We try different things that might help us. Defensively might hurt a little bit offensively but it took the pazos and we're gonna find shooting things to try to get everything kinda work at one. And then i also think Losing healers. I think it was big loss for us. You realize how good he's been in my mind. I think he's been our most consistent player all year. Sorry different dynamic. Different dynamics game. I think from when i was here three years ago to now i think he's matured big time and whether it's him getting older whether it's in scoring his first playoff goal last year. I think you know. He's just way more relaxed day. In day out he's been very consistent. He's a lot more even keel. Than when he was three years ago and has a maturity. But you know. The guy never complains about anything i think. Sometimes he could. He could complain more times where he should probably be playing more just but he never does. He plays his game all time. He's fine what the creates chances. Craze power play. So i think getting him back. I think it'll be really important. Would you're playing with healers how much in your mind. Or he's saying. It's yourself or dubois saying we just need to put the puck in an area where we make a foot race. Because we know you're gonna win that race. yeah. I mean when. I'm playing with them. My whole mindset says. Come the puck and get it too early. I think he would rather early and ski foods all because he's so fast you know people will gap up if they're trying to get up against those chip at around them but there are certain players essentially today's game that want the puck early. And i think with him. It's kim early. And then he does a good job of bringing one or two guys to him and whether he was or whose are playing with them. Our job is kind of defined. That open gets an end knowing that. It's going to get there. You know and i think guys don't want to talk right. Not like playing with him because he wants to talk to. But for me i want to distribute find the open guy like makes things happen every time. He's on the. Yeah so for me. It's about getting anthem early. But none of that position obviously right and sure. Yeah he's always been a very easy to play with and it's just fun to play. What is he the fastest player you ever played with. He's they're all different right there. Every play this leaks built different. You have guys that kind of float on the ice there. Six three weeks winter pounds. You have guys are super powerful like mckinnon who just super explosive super fast. I mean nicknames fly just because he's a little water bug out there so quick you. So i mean i just found out he figure skating growing up and now it makes a lot of sense when you see the way church. Both ways away. He cuts on a dime. Just comfortable during these three sixty pirouettes you know when the head up and it just seems like second nature and i think i think that helps out a little bit but i think just his skating ability spare unique and it's very rare and this week by the way i i do agree with you on this year. I don't think he's going on my ballot. He's not but when. I was starting in about thirty five to forty games in to start putting together my long list for things like the hart trophy. I had on my list. I just really thought that he was going to be at the top of it. I was debating if he was going to be in the maybe the five position. I thought he had a really unbelievable year this year. And your point paul about him like his mind being clear because he finally got his first playoff goal that makes a lot of sense to me like she must have been a relief even though the jets didn't win last year the way he competed in the way he battled in produced. Yeah i think it's tuesday. I mean that. I think see trade patio way and obviously you know fly. A patio always been linemates. And i think sometimes you know when you're playing with line who's such goals scored you know. Those guys are so close that sometimes it might have taken away from dealers because he's looking for patty so much and you know when you go scores like that you're always looking for a little bit so that's another thing but yeah. I remember four in the playoffs. I texted him. I was in the bowl and happened. You could just tell 'cause when we had that run in two thousand eighteen. He wasn't claimed that he had so many chances that nothing went in as a place where you could just like. When you're that young. Is she put so much pressure on yourself and you can just see kind of you know it was just building on. The pressure was bill because he wanted to score so bad. It's almost hard like that. And sometimes i'm like you just gotta get one you know extra they lose to st louis. You know he didn't get one and also you get that first one and i mean even talk this year. He's like yeah man. It felt so nice getting and all of a sudden you know the next game and the best part was his goal was the least likely of nikolai either. Always you know. Try tips apart flavor. You know usually see coming down the half-life with speed kind of you don't want one guy so i've always goal like that's the way you scores and then all of a sudden that's just you know made him relaxed and austin for a guy like that good future that bright almost. It's an next steps to come. You know become an even better player. I am worried by the way now. I'm gonna call them fly on air now that you've put this into my head. I i never know. I never noticed. Guys on every nickel is not the easiest wheelers. Listen flow the time flies. There's so much easier and if you see it's just the way you play the toy makes sense. Just you know. Paul he totally gonna call them fly early. So i wanna ask you paul maurice one of the more interesting coaches in the nhl and everybody who's ever had them sort of has one or two stories about him. You've talked previous about you know. The number of winston churchill quote said. He'll he'll come up with On a dime. You've had some pretty heavyweight coaches in your career. Weather's joel quenneville whether it's ken. Hitchcock what do you make of paul maurice as a head coach what stands out for you. I mean i see high volumes of them. And you know when i was here last time for thirty days and when i left i would ask me. You know. I had nothing but praise and say i think you just have a good understanding of of the game today and he realizes his coaching has to change your little bit from where was ten years or fifteen years ago. He just he knows how to relate to the players all the time. And whether it's one on one you know talking to blake to get two guys. They're twenty years old. Or you know talking to twenty year olds and it is a good job of kind of magic. Everybody and it's hard. It's hard to keep everyone happy. And i always try to tell guys. Every team has four or five guys or two or three. It doesn't matter everything there soon. Guys that need to be pampered and businesses everywhere. Right some guys love to hear the praise. All i'm and that's how you get the best of them and then there's other guys that don't need it but you know if yeltsin so get the best of me. He's done a good job of understanding that and it's hard to do. It's hard to manage when especially when you have so many good players in so many every every guy thinks they should be played. More every guy thinks this is a good job of realizing or talking to guys. You know to a binder the role and realize how coordinator and at the same time you know. Look at the big picture and realizing the better they do the better team. Does the better team does the more zine fest for everybody i still maintain he may have the best deadpan in the entire. Nhl like to me. He's one of the more entertaining coaches in the league. How much do you see the funny side of paul. Murray's not lately. Yeah that's true. But that's what i'm saying like lately. He's expert even more funny because he really is like you know it is like the days basically like i've been around on the days where i'm like. Oh my god he's gonna yell at us. Died like are shattered. And that's me talking. Fifteen years in this league. He comes with the exact the mindset. I'm like This guy just has a good feeling for the room. You know days like you know. We're feeling good this or that. That's what he's yelling at us. I think he knows you. That's what he's saying. When i talked to me today. i was asked about how he comes up with this premium. Speeches or whatever and he says the always kind of just out. See things at certain things. Everything's kind of pick up and he just you just feel for the room and that's that's hard to do and i think whether it's talking to guys who are just just thinking for a guy that used to play hockey realize you know a lot of times what happens when you when you're this older and everyone's playing the game where he's twenty thirty years you forget look like to be a player and you forget the mindset you forget you know the internal pressure that every put themselves but he hasn't forgotten that is humor has been great but sometimes it's i appreciate it. Wheels appreciate it sometimes. I feel like the younger. I don't appreciate it because you know it just goes out the other. They don't understand it but makes fun of himself just as much as he makes jokes. Good on him. I wanted to ask you about just mcdavid. dry settle. They're great players. Mcdavid had just ridiculous numbers against you guys this year. You're never going to stop them. But what do you have to do to at least slow them like you said you gotta tracking cain. They're going to get their points their bulls their chances but sometimes it's a matter defending the unify. Sometimes you don't sometimes you're out there and there's there's not much going on sometimes you might have to sacrifice a little bit area. We're gonna have to sit back here a little bit once again. We're going to have to sit back and not go for that chance. Not try for that transition gives you you know we have some guys that can play transitioning running game but nobody some guys realize like if we're gonna win you know we can't get these high scoring games against these guys because that just you know that feeds their game they just played better and better like that and then i think sometimes you get so caught up worrying about how to defend them. You realize when you play the best teams or the hardest things to play against teams that have the parking grind you and they and they make you defend all the time and then you can't really pick up as much speed so for us. It's also you know when you do get that fucking offense zone is trying to kind of make them play as much humans possible and not making that you know. Sometimes you got that whole play in might work whatever fifteen percent of time. There's a time and place for those times and sometimes you don't lie did because all of a sudden that's a three on the other way and they told the three auntie really means a potential breakway from so it's more about trying to make him defend and try and make them stop and you know it's the same way like when you play a lot of these guys defending is just no one wants to defend. I don't care how good of a two way player you are. I don't care how much you of defending just claim his way. More fun and defending off you lose your speed. You're at a standstill. It's a lot harder to create offense from there. I'm curious because as you've been the league for a lot of years and you've seen a lot of different hockey players what's something that guys like me and elliott. Who just you know. Watch it on television. Talk in studio about it. What's one thing. The think we miss about david that as a player who's been the league as long as you have. You say that's the thing that's most impressive about ninety seven. I think to me it's there's very few guys in this league beckon scape fafsa without the puck. And what makes them so special is out. He's so explosive. He's so fast. I mean fast on another level that it's just like one strategy here me like. Oh he's gone but he can stick handle so fast and at the same time so a lot of times when you see in need it like others guys staff mcdavid. That's fine doesn't matter but the back you can think the game and candle and move speed on the same kind of pace something special so when you see these two on one. He's no look plays three on twos. You know obviously the game someone down everything's in sync and you don't see that at all like that the game on for him but he's also going one hundred miles an hour so generational players very few and far between and i think a very special player. I think one thing that's changed for him this year. You know playing against them and seeing is these seems a little stronger on Better on face is he seems stronger. You on his edge is battling the puck. You know i think in the past You know he's attacking. That's something that you guys talked about. Whether that's just a maturing as a player and getting better 'cause he's still young he's always going to get better and that's just an anxious game where there whether you had us frame or whether also he's a little more hardnosed now like oh you realize you cannot smallpox in the corners. Like you could a couple of years ago. When i think he was just trying to go off. The russian remain very interesting paul. Thank you very much for making some time for us. And congratulations on one thousand to you and your family. That's journey not. Just the player makes the family takes together. That's awesome thank you. Bye guys war and that's fascinating. We thank him for stopping by the program. And we think scott brown winnipeg jets for making that happen Before we get to iraq angles enter preview. The police montreal. Canadian series elliott You talked about this saturday. On hockey night in canada on headlines the vancouver canucks opening if with your organization and jeff cardinal well. He came public and didn't interview With ben kouzmin the vancouver province on sunday Confirming a lot of what we kind of heard that he was being considered for non gm or president position. I heard that coordinated felt that he wasn't qualified for those two jobs which is probably smart and he confirmed that in the interview with With ben coups mma. So i think we've got a situation where the ownership is saying. We can't come back with this now. Jeff gordon will was a longtime friend of the appleans. The owners goes back to his playing days and days. They helped them start some charity initiatives and they were big contributors to it so there was a long friendship there you know. He made the introduction of mike. Gillis the outgoing. Before gillis became the general manager and trevor linden laughed in two thousand eighteen and a year later. He was about a day away from being hired as an advisor or consultant. I don't know what happened. I've heard lots of theories about what happened but basically the got the ball the one yard line and it never got punched in at the last minute. The decision was made not to do it and now they've gone back to him and i just think we're in a situation here where i think what the owners have decided is. We can't come back the same way but they don't know what to do. It's a dangerous spot because you've had a plan you've had a plan you've had a plan. Your plan is to bring back your general manager for another year and now all of a sudden jeff. Your plan is thrown awry. And you're sitting here and the clock is ticking. The end of the season. And you're kinda trying to figure out. What do we do and plus also. It's a financial problem for them because obviously they lost a ton of money this year and that matters. They don't want to spend five times five on. Jim rutherford or whatever. That's not what they're thinking of doing. You know you've got this thing here where you're saying okay. We have a plan. Now your plans thrown off realize you have to change it. You don't wanna throw twenty five million at somebody. What are you going to do. And i think that's what they're trying to figure out. How much of this is player. Driven this idea that they need to change. How much of this is player driven. How much of. This is fan driven whether fan driven i like i think they knew this year was going to be potentially a down year for them bite. I think the players being upset at how during the outbreak that they felt that there was no communication with them. I think it's the fact. That travis green had to hold an extremely uncomfortable media conference the day that you know jake for tannin was removed from the team. I think there's a lot of things here that have just kind of gone wrong. And each one of them hurts the impression of the franchise like. I don't even think it's on ice related to be perfectly honest. I think they were expecting and prepared for the possibility that this wasn't going to be a great season. What has happened is that they've had just some things that have happened. That haven't been handled very well. And it is eroded the consumer confidence in the organization yet. They're trying to do this. Without as you mentioned completely blowing the budget yes and again. We talked about this last week. I understand that if you don't have skin in the game you don't understand what it's like to have skin in the game. I respect that after a year where you've lost as much money as the organization. Has i do understand that. You have to be prudent. And i think what they're trying to do is say. Is there a prudent decision that we can make you know one of the things that's kind of happened is you know florida's making some changes and you know. Florida has made some very interesting bets. Jonathan marchessault was one carter verhaeghe who scored in game one was another like every team florida's had its makes and it's had its mrs but they've had some very interesting makes and cam lawrence's is one of the guys there who was part of that decision making group they're letting them go and those guys kinda grew up with vancouver ties And i wonder if you're the connection you'd be looking at them the other thing too. I think in vancouver that i would say is you're going to have good years and you're gonna have bad years that's just life. You have two hands on the wheel and they just look like a crazy driver. Who's going from lane to lane. You have to be steady. they just don't look steady. Was it like this even before the. Jt miller press conference which when we look back at the vancouver canucks season. That's going to be one of the headlines. You see like. I remember when the outbreak happened. I do my weekly hit in vancouver there on their sports net station. I said i think jim benny's coming back. Like i said i always believed he was coming back always believed he was going to be the gm around. The pandemic is when it started to change. I just think that the last. I don't know what is the last six weeks the last month you know. There's been a lot kind of happening there. And now the other thing too is now. The fans vote with their wallets right. Yes i think. There's there's a little bit of concern about that and there should be consumers are upset you. You have to be aware of it anyway a so. I think there are a lot of conversations going on about where they're gonna go from here. Like i know people have said for sure. Jim bannon's not coming back. I don't believe that. Yet as we tape this on sunday night and i don't believe that yet. Do i think it could happen. I think it's possible. I don't think it's what they want. But i think it's possible but i don't think that decision is made. That decision is going to be made probably this week. You know the other thing too is like the coaches is really unhappy. You can see it. There hasn't been a ton of conversation in negotiation about his future. If they want him back now it comes down to what is travis. Green believe his leverage is. Does he think getting another job. Then he's leaving right after the season's over and you've lost them. No do you think you've got leverage on him will. Then you play hardball. Do you want him back. Will then you show them. You want him back. Something could change the last minute. That could him a big offer that makes them say okay. But you know you look at the way you're looking at right now. They're not acting like an organization that wants him back. Is that just a matter of move talked about this a couple of different times. He has his number and they have a different number and no one wants to come off their number. I think that's part of it. I just don't know how much real negotiation there's been. But i do think that's a big part of it and the situation. If jim benning again this is all speculation. But if jim benning does come back we would expect a number of different people working around him. I don't know i heard. They've offered their scouts extensions like some of them. Were up i. I've heard they've that tells me that they were always planning on. Bringing back story continues. Let's get erik. Angles covers the metro canadians for sports here to preview a much anticipated series. It was close in ninety three. It was an easy for games for the montreal canadians. A nineteen seventy nine and here. We are in a pandemic season. The classic rivalry set to renew again in the postseason. The leafs and the haves. Here's eric angles okay. So we are pleased to be joined now by eric. Angles covers the montreal canadiens for sports net. First of all. Eric thanks so much for stopping by. And secondly if i told you at the beginning of this season that montreal's playoff would begin with carey. Price and brendan gallagher sent to the american hockey league. What would you have said over. Said this was probably going to be a crazy season and nothing would surprise me. But this one is thrown me a little bit for a loop price and gallagher off the for conditioning time you know what six weeks without a game for brennan gallagher and four weeks without one for kerry price. I think the one concern is that they're playing against the marlies. You'd better hope that if gallagher's in the lineup brandon batic standing next to him You don't want anything happening to him. And you know price. It's so important for a goaltender more than anything goaltender to see poxy. And we saw with freddie anderson in the h. l. before he came up to the nhl. And i. i think the canadians really wanted to get them into the last game they played against edmonton but it was too soon and too fast and i think this was probably part of the plans for a while and they were smart to just drop it on sunday night that monday. Those two guys are going to play a little bit of game action. Prices scheduled play half the game. Good for him to see pox in a game situation. Make sure is is head. Straighten gallagher. Well i don't think anything will stop him from coming out game one on thursday. So hopefully everything goes by smooth. Okay eric. thanks for coming on. No i actually do like the decision. I think it's a smart decision. Although if someone gets hurt you can only imagine. All of the i told you so's they're gonna come out of this by. I think it's a smart play. Our air f- you've been following the canadians all year. They started great then. They kind of lurch their way in to me. It was very concerning for them. How long it took them to clinch a spot. What do you think. I think they were in straight survival mode. You know this situation and it was funny because the other day brennan gallagher. Is i availability for a while. And he said you know. I'm not sure enough. People have talked about what we've been through. You know we've done nothing but talk about what they've been through. I think everyone took their situation with a bit of grain assault. At least the people writing on the team you know nobody was all over them for losing. What was it fourteen to last. Twenty one games Given the situation they played twenty five games and forty four nights. A lot of it without gallagher without price without tatar without chirac Go down the list. No their most important players and the players and what we're hearing from them because we're not around them enough is that everyone really stuck together and that they feel as though they've been through adversity and come through on the other side of it and i think it really was pure survival mode now. I wanted to see if there was going to be another portion of the schedule that looked like the first ten games. Unfortunately we never got there. And i think the thing that really resonates with me now as i look back on this entire season is before it all started and everyone was extremely excited. I sat down with mark. Bergeret and i said what makes you most excited about what you've seen throughout this training camp. And he said you know we've added this size and this physicality in this experience our team but we haven't sacrificed speed. And i think that statement became less and less true throughout the season and i think that's the biggest concern going in against toronto team. Let's pick up on that because mark berge remade as you know. We've all documented in seen a number of moves whether it was allen or edmonson our anderson or stall and it seems as if every time we opened our laptops montreal was making another move. And when you make that of moves you're gonna want some mulligans at the end of the season from your point of view maybe from montreal's point of view as well what worked and what didn't work while i think tyler toffoli At twenty eight goals did pretty well joel edmonson near the top of the league and plus minus did pretty well and jake allen stepping in for carry price. And doing what he did you know. He was remarkable and he went through a run where the canadians can score more than two goals in front of him so he really did his job quite well. I think jeff petri extension set him up for another kind of career season a tremendous season. Where for long portion of it he was in the norris trophy conversation cell. He slowed down a little bit and then picked it back up towards the end on the acquisition front. You know you look at the additions of eric. Stall i thought when they made that the stall they were adding some much needed experience to a centerline. That was extremely young. You look knicks zucchini. Sperry cockatiel emmy they had gone through different ups and downs and cockamamie ended on. Down and suzuki. On an up jake evans rookie. Even at twenty four years old in a little bit of experience last year and philip the no you know if he went down for whatever reason they were going to be stuck with just the kids and potentially ryan paling coming up from the american Now is season ended with surgery. So that's not an option stall for whatever reason hasn't been able to kick it into gear. And i thought that he had more to give than this and i was willing to look at the buffalo situation. Say it was so awful that here's a guy that just a couple years ago had a remarkable season in minnesota. And if he's even half as good as that he'll be a contributor depth addition for the canadians that hasn't proven to be the case. Although i will say that over the last few games we saw him adhering to the system decently details kinda oriented player that is smart and puts himself in the right positions and i think he could have had some better luck around the as he got some chances and he took the spot over. Cockney emmy to start this series. And i i know a lot of people are up in arms about that but i still think that it's a legitimate thing. Ducharme made a decision here. And i think he's going to be willing to lean on cockamamie further down the line if he needs to but this is stalls job to lose the other one was john merrill and we all know that the confusion around the the deadline moves maryland. Gustafsen and mezei going out the other way and then being stuck on the salary cap but this is a guy that was supposed to be a steady reliable defensive. No one was bouncing offensive skills and he has been containing plays rather than shutting them down and she's wearing a minus twelve in his games with canadians. As a result of that so some of the things worked really well. I forgot to mention josh anderson. He's he had a really good season. Did everything that everyone expected him. But now it's time to see what the real value is as we move forward. What's at stake here. You know this team if they go out with a whimper to toronto which a lot of people around the country expect what are we going to say about them because we all thought that they were a team that was built for the playoffs. I kind of look at them a lot. Like the dallas stars last year where they just needed to get through the regular season and who knew that it would be tumultuous as it was going to be. I thought they would be a lot better. After watching their first ten games i think the whole country was swept up in that. You know what's at stake is that they have to go out and prove their the team. People think they can be. Because i look at them and i look inside their room and know their players and know a lot of them over several years. They've got a great rube guys and guys with tremendous experience. Who have been through the battles and been through the wars and should be able to elevate their games at this time of year. You look down their lineup and pick up the names you say to yourself. These are guys that tend to step it up at this time of year. If they don't do that it's all in question and if you're talking about mark berge may you know. Here's a guy who's been on the job for nine years. The results are not indicative of of someone who is worthy of getting a five year contract extension. If that's what's on the line. But i think the expectations were that they would make the playoffs. They met them albeit in a in a way that i don't think most people in the organization expected and i think really the decision is going to be in his hands at the end of the day. Is he to want to continue the canadians. Don't step up and play the way he believes they can. I really do believe that. I think it will be his decision to make a do wonder which way he's going to go with it if that happens but i think that the canadians are going to show up and play and this is going to be a real series against toronto. So you think he's got an extension already. I think it's been percolating for some time that that has been his hands. I know everyone is probably looking at it like well. What happened at the deadline with the the roster management and all that I think people look at the results of the last nine years in wonder why that would be the case. But i think you also have to look at berge as tenure in two segments. He was given a reset in twentieth eighteen. And he has done a great job of stocking up the roster with their prospects in the moves that he's made in the trade said he's made and look if you go back to the summer or the off season and look at those muzo remained. I think everyone yourselves probably included looked at them and said wow like this is great. Work that mark birch has done. He's really set them up to be a much better team than the one that finished last season coming off a really positive experience in the bubble if the montreal canadians beat the toronto police in the opening round here who on that roster are we talking about the most. I think we're gonna be talking a lot about nick suzuki. If that happens i think. Naturally you're going to be talking about carey price. He's going to have to be at. Its best against us offensive team in toronto. But i shouldn't say just offensive. Because i watched the league this year and felt that this team has progressed in a lot of different ways from their young guys finally maturing and realizing the way you need to play to win and the guys that came in around them to make them realize that and play that way and we saw them shutting down games and there was some real real evolution in their play. And i think kerry prices just going to have to be right at the top of his game shea weber too. you know. it's you wanna pick one or two guys jeff but honestly. The canadians are not built like the leafs. They are built like a team that everyone has to step up and everyone has to play that team in your face style game for them to be successful so i think at the end of it you can pick out a few key guys and suzuki the way. He stepped up in last year's playoffs. In the season that you just add is obviously one you'd circle and prices when you'd circle weber's when you'd circle jeff petry could be essential for them. Obviously and josh anderson is a guy who he's got a wreck havoc on that maple leafs defense and make them feel it guys like jake muslim. But rasmussen morgan riley. Those guys are going to have to hear josh anderson coming and be worried about it to the point. Where if it gets to seven games are gets late into this series. They're looking behind them and hesitating. Go get that. How effective do you think. Webber can and will be a great question because we ultimately don't know the severity of his injury. We know that it was severe enough to keep them out but he played with it for a couple of weeks. And you know at this point. It's not a secret he's been wearing a brace on his thumb heard is that he tore something in there. And that's why you hear. Guys like tyrod brand gallagher. Saying he's the toughest guy that they've ever seen and he's an ultimate war. I think a lot of montreal fans look at shea weber and say well if he was playing us why don't you just shut them down and that just totally ignores the culture that is so pervasive in this game and what that does in terms of inspiration when a team is facing the situation montreal is facing with their schedule and all the guys out that if this guy was willing to go battle with what he was dealing with and play a never complain about it never miss a practice or escape or a game that i'm gonna do it too and so i would never put anything past shea. Weber is thought last year in the bubble. I don't know what people's evaluation was. I thought he was an absolute monster. Lives for these situations. And i would expect that if he's playing which dominic ducharme says. He's extremely confident. He'll be there come game one. She'll be at the head of his abilities. Give say as we conclude here. Eric give us a sense of what this series means in montreal. Right now in In toronto these teams were one series away from facing each other in nineteen ninety-three last time they faced off was a sweet by the montreal canadians in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine. Just a fantastic team. What how is this resonating in montreal. Right you know. They don't feel the same way about the maple leafs as they do the bruins or even the senators to a degree. And i think you say the same thing about toronto and their fans and those rivalries the differences within the cities themselves and the rivalry between the cities montreal toronto. The national spotlight the way people view our coverage of both teams. And they feel that it's so slanted towards toronto. That's just a thing that's always gonna exist. No matter how many flowers you throw montreal's way they're always gonna think you see as as toronto toronto toronto that is more of a rivalry than what we've seen on the ice in my lifetime. And it's i remember saying at the beginning of the season on twitter like You know this should reignite the rivalry and bring it to a place where it hasn't been for decades and people like did you watch last year. I'm like listen. If your idea of a rivalry max domi calling Can happen in an idiot for throwing his stick at jeff petri for for a penalty shot. Then you have no idea what an actual rivalry supposed to be in thank goodness. They're playing in the playoffs. I think it's great for them. I think it's great for us. It's great for both cities. And i think with the way things are set up in these two teams in the division. The directions both of them are going in with the future up being brighton. Both organizations this could be the first of many that we see over the next few years and I'm all for it. I just wish it had happened in the second round. you know. i'm a big believer. That things are much better for the league for the teams involved if toronto montreal are both successful and i would have loved to have seen this come in the second round because the first round has already so wrapped up and it's so exciting and that second round you tend to get just that slight lol and that wouldn't be there with these two teams playing and perhaps we bought ourselves enough time that potentially some fans could be in the building. I think that's maybe stretching bitten but it is the dream and i hope we get there soon because we're seeing what the effect is in the united states is these playoff games get started and i know the players are looking at this with a bittersweet kind of mentality that man. I wish we could experience this the way it should be experienced so hopefully we will over the next few years but i think this series is going to be awesome. Amen if there's one the you look at and you say you want a full building. It's this one eric. Thanks for stopping by really appreciate it. Thanks for having me guys all right. And that's eric angles of Of sports that we think of stopping by the podcast as we thank all of you for listening today. Because i just say this yes. It is depressing and disappointing. That we can't have fans for montreal. Toronto it's the worst one. One of my buddy says to me. And he's a big league fan. He said you know the leaves are going to win the stanley cup right because we can't have a parade. Listen i remember Ninety three i was like easy cowboy. I remember nineteen ninety-three. My sister was graduating university. She went to bishops. And my buddy. George were in montreal downtown montreal for game six. La toronto and we ended up at a bar called. Cheers watching it. And there are a number of players and jacques the murders from the haves in. They're all cheering wildly for the los angeles. Kings emerson cena myself. Why would you not want to face. Toronto there's a number. I think patrick by the been there. I think wow may have been one of them anyway. There's a there's a whole bunch of them all cheering wildly for the los angeles kings and thinking to myself. Why would you not want the leaves. If you're that confident in yourself. Isn't that the team. You wanna beat. Not the los angeles kings. But i'm with you. That series is screaming like screaming fridge for packed houses and they would be. It would be wild taking us out a track produced by west moscow and jason cosa. The darcy's mix by hugh mackie. Now say this because not much is known about the actual artists. Billy will along. With the production team delivers a killer esque blast of americana tinged arena rock with rattlesnake asked tambourine and heartland rock pianos. I just made that up off the top of my head. I can tell with his latest. Here's billy and the devil with even if it kills me fox even if it was me. I'm gone out memphis windswept. 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Keith Yandle

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Keith Yandle

"Coming down to three two and one as Elliot turns off his phone define welcome to thirty one thoughts the podcast presented by GMC. Sierra trucks Elliott for the longest time. Because we get a lot of requests whether it's twitter or does people stopping at. Arinc or tweet or whatever Were more popular. Requests has always been Keith. Yandell and the day is finally here. He is not just a wonderful defenseman but I really engaging personality to and someone who seems really comfortable in any environment that he's in we recorded this podcast a couple of weeks ago as he walked in here we've seen players come in. Okay there's microphones sometimes. There's a camera and maybe a little bit intimidating and this is new territory. Not that guy. No He seems built for comfort wherever he goes you know. He doesn't show it a lot publicly to right and again part of the reason is you know you look at where he's played you know from Arizona to the Rangers to Florida. He's not in a place where he gets a ton of attention. And I think for that reason you don't get a day to day dose of his personality and he likes it that way but under the surface you laugh it. There's really something else I remember. This is the All Star game in Ottawa. He knew all of Drake's songs and I was like. How do you know all the words of this stuff and he just laughed and the other guys just laugh but I liked that he peeled back the the Vailab here? Yeah it was fine. It's good it was a lot of fun. We spent an afternoon hanging with Keith. Yandell here is the evidence Keith Yandell thirty bucks okay. So we're recording this podcast with Keith. Yandell heath in a second but Elliott a moment ago as we tried to start. Your phone just went off. First question for Keith. Yandell is who is the most annoying guy with his phone on the panthers. Vincent Tro check not even close this guy. He's lucky. Remember the days like you had to pay for minutes and pay for tax. He would be. He'd have to pay a million bucks a month and a whole host of two hundred bucks for me I didn't bring my phone because I'm a true professional. No trojans bad water guys aren't good with their phones but Yeah during dinner. You gotTa tell them to put it down. He's always the phone like you say you're having now because you're a thorough professional respect. Yeah I know but like normally I check it all the time? Check it all the time you hide it. I can put it away like summertime. It is tough to get a hold of me. I will put it away as long as I can. Hate being on the phone. I'm very bad trying to make it every year. For like my A New Year's resolution to be better on the phone call people back in Texas back but I am very bad at my phone so I found. I heard you were coming on first of all. We always appreciate it. Secondly I considered this an enormous challenge because the legend of key the analyst plus the H. L. It's hard to find out new stuff. We've heard so many great and fantastic stories. I asked a bunch of people and part of me is convinced Keith. At some of these people are screwing with my head. So I'm going to see I don't know if they're true or not. So we're all GONNA find out at the same time. What's the old line? Who did you ask a truth? I'm just telling you what I heard. Yeah it's not that bad. I don't WanNa get fired. And there's a limit to what we're allowed to do so it's not that bad number one you can go to kinky boots and belt out the words of every song in it. I was a big Broadway guy so yeah when I was in New York. I pretty much went every show kinky boots. Who said that Rick Nash? No it was not Yeah just WANNA namedrop Mash. I don't even know Yeah that I mean not every song but I could be a big Broadway guy. Okay so I heard there was one time you told all the young guys. I think he must've been playing for Arizona. They were all going to the lion king. A bunch of guys tried to say no and you said You understand. You're going you're going. Yeah that's true. I think I was pretty young too so I was just telling you gotta go and it was. I think donor got the tickets and I think that might have been one of my first times where I was like. This is amazing. If you go to a Broadway. They're all amazing. Even the ones off Broadway but the lion King Somersville dressed up that you might have painted my face like a lion or something seriously. I would I lying kings my all time favorite movie too. So I'm a huge Langa. Who's the Lion King character you identify with the most because everybody? Who's seen this as one? Yeah I'd probably say either. Mona poom one of those guys. Kind of you know China. But what are they saying? The movie I can't even KUNA metabolism Matata. Yeah just kind of live your life you know. Well I gotTa Tell Ya. I've also sent a picture of you guys going to Hamilton. So that's a good one. Everybody David Amber went to Hamilton. He scored big with the family for getting them to him. When you first portrayed it or ended up in San Antonio I guess use slept on Tyson nashes couch. That's true in the wasn't a polo coach. And it wasn't a nice couch was one of the you know the miners. You're renting furniture. So God knows what this thing's been through but I'm Kinda Guy I don't really like to be alone too often so it was kind of one of those things. I think there was three them in rows billy Thomas Logan Stevenson and Nash and Nash didn't leave his room so never saw him once. Oh is basically just the three of us and I was on the couch. And Yeah just wasn't the nicest. I think I might have had a sheet. Probably not actually on the miners. But no it's I mean you gotta gotta learn. How long did you stay there for too long? Pro Three months play sleeping on a couch like that eighteen. Nineteen Year that you can. You can do anything then. Yeah true or false you love like the sixteen and Pregnant Jersey shore stuff live for. We've I watch the worst like Jersey shore floor. Obama shore sixteen pregnant all the housewives. I watched my wife has to leave the room. Like most wives watch that. And she's like you are rotten in your brain but I love it trash TV. But I love trash which one's your best like which one all time favorite Yeah Jersey Shore. Not even close. I never seen an episode. I've seen them all five times. It's not good but I love it. What's the favorite thing that ever happened on that show? You say I identify with that or I love that the most the funniest thing I mean. There's a it was a little subtle thing and the Pauly D.'s. My favorite and the whole show. He's the best but I remember one time. It was like the just from my having sister a sister and he's like protective over them. I remember it was just the girls in the shore house were going out and he was like he said it in like such an Italian Mumbo seems like I right girl you guys be careful tonight. They were just like subtle little thing but I was dying laughing. I said anytime like my wife and kids leave the house. I say it just The cavs Zahir obviously is a classic but Yeah I love. That show never met any of them. Either maybe this will. I need it all right to mortar. Go Jeff and then you can decide for my smoke a cigarette. Just what is the deal with your socks routine? Who said this Jason Rudy? No bigger name. Come on gotta go huge national. Apparently he wasn't known but it was an Arizona Guy. He has some with your socks so I use a new every game and you guys put their socks on. No that's not tight to your foot. It just drives me nuts. Always like my socks are just perfect. Try to keep them perfect at all times. And if somebody else's aren't I'll harass them like mark put socks on like backwards or upside down and you're like dude come on like doesn't feet treat you feet. That's what I always said. But I'm a big I get pedicures and all that stuff. All I gotTA feed the most disgusting part of the Human Body. I do not understand what fetishes I do. I definitely don't have a fetish with it but I treat my feet and the last one I had is as someone said is impressive as your iron man streak is more impressive. Is Your Non Room Service Streak? Is that still active? Still Lock never had and never once had room. I've never not gone out to dinner of had breakfast. Room Service I get that but now we have breakfast with the team. But before when they didn't have breakfast I would order it to my room but yeah I've never not gone out to dinner. Well let me just say Oh yeah. Thank you very much to. Shane owned Tyson. Nash and to Paul Basnet for all of the. That's all true as an I appreciate and donor got the Hamilton take. That's when Hamilton was like I think it was like three grand a ticket and he got US tickets for that and I own for that one and a lot more but feet. So what are my favorite lines? Remember playing men's league years ago and I'm like Mens League hack and Through some of the middle who knows what and some Guy Skates by me goes dude. You got hands like feet. What is the most creative thing you've ever said to someone or had someone say to you? Hands like feed is a favorite of mine. Hands like feeds good. I heard the other day I was watching. I'm trying to think of what someone has said I think I told Patrick Kane. This summer we were. We played them in the playoffs. Forget what year was when I was in Phoenix. And it was me and Adrian Aucoin on the ice and he was behind that we were fighting like little skirmish and he's he's like your brutal just kind of all over and I thought he was talking to Adrian. Mike Dude have some respect. He's played a thousand games. He goes I was talking to you not him and I was dying. I'm like then that's funny and I think I I saw did that camp that someone with gainer and I told him he was like. I was young and fresh than I wouldn't do that anymore. But stuff like that is funny to me. You See. You're now like you're getting close year. A little over a year away from the record. I mean you've had when people think about you. They think about the guy with a great sense of humor and I wonder Marc Bertrand was the same way like people always looked at him for the finding stuff he did and I asked him like. Does it bother you? That people don't think about you is the guy who played as many years because to last as long as you did pretty impressive and do you ever wish that people would say Keith. Yandell hell of a career as opposed to Keith Yandell. Funny Guy like for me every single day I wake up just thankful the play in the NHL Best League in the world. We all know it. We all say it. But there's no way I'm GONNA come to. The ring can have a bad day. And whether it's you know you gotta bring some sense of humor today. Is You know where you're not feeling too good but You know for me. It's Kinda you know. Obviously you'd like to talk about whether it's funny guy or Guide you know being a good teammate. And I think that's kind of the thing that I take from it most. If you're being a good teammate you're bringing rotary to your team you're helping out and You know that's kind of the biggest thing I take from it. You know that's one thing. By the way she did say like the gain. The respect for teeth against James was new ski clobbered him once and you John Late in from that day he knew where a great team don't stepped into the Blue Line and he takes the brunt to the right shoulder at James was new scape and Shane don't as down. He's hurting. He's not sure where he is finally stopped play. Don't was in trouble for quite some time before. The official stopped the plane and are coming over and taking to run and was new. Ski Is Keith Campbell. And he's taking the worst who is new skis fists right now and they both go to. The ice was news feed stood up changing. I can't believe chain dome is not being helped over to the bench John. 'cause he could've used yeah. I mean I don't know what the trainers doing in that situation. Letting him skate over his games with new STI standing up and he gets a rate on the button yen. Thank God I had to buy or would I would have been probably dead. Because he's a tough dude and a lefty and I'm not tough or a lefty and Yeah but don't that was a bad. If you look at that hidden I mean we all know how tough guy donor is. He could barely even stand. I don't know you probably didn't even miss a shift back then but Yeah that's something you taught as a kid to you you know from my dad and brothers. You know you stick up your teammates whether you don't want to do it but you gotta it. The games played in the iron man. Streak ANYTIME. We talked to hockey players. That's one of the things that you guys always come back to the point of the points then trophies in the cups and all that stuff you dream about as a kid but the deeper get into working on this side of the magic eyeball. I realized how much that means to. You guys how important it is just meant eight man. That's eight thousand games like show some respect like you get that from player to player having said that mean you're chasing the ironman record. So was Andrew Cog Llano when he got suspended. What did you think I didn't? I actually still don't even think I've seen that. What was it a elbowing? Hummer can't be on the side. Yeah and I know 'cause he's an unbelievable guy no he's not a vicious player in it was a one game suspension. Right was okay. Yeah so I don't know enough to comment whether it should have been a suspension audits like did you. Did you feel Guy Johnson? Yes that's the thing with you guys right. Yeah and you know for him. You feel bad that he's not you know not able to do it. And you know has to start over. But you know everybody knows what he's done and he plays the game hard to and he's been he's played in a Lotta Games. You ever think about it. Like what what point like. You're jumping over players here. You know leaping over getting into the top five. At what point did you allow yourself to say? Maybe have a shot at this one name like you passed over someone or just past mark wreck you. Maybe have a shot at this. Never honesty really try to think about it too much. Just kind of like my parents said just show up to work every day and and do your job like your shirt says the Patriots way but Yeah it's you know it's one of those things and I think nowadays too you get so many days off with you. Know coaches are good with that so you find your way to get rest when you need it and if you're able to play I think every guys like that in the League now if you're able to play you play. It's kind of interesting because there was one time. Akara which injury allies but basically. I think somebody wrote that you're streak was coming to an end. I think it was when Tom Rowe was coaching Florida. Yeah and it got written year streak was over and then the next game you were there and you kinda laughed it off and said you show up and you play so. I'm wondering what's the closest you ever came to taking a night off. That was it. And that's told this story before we played in Boston and we're playing Philly the next day and I got hit in the back of my the heel and I thought I broke. My foot was done like I couldn't finish the game. Walking out in a in a boot had a boot and as I'm walking out Ali Razman the gymnast for team. Usa This is right after. They won the Olympics. She dropped the puck that night and she said all like stop met her. She's from Boston area. So talk to her and she said all. I broke both of my feet like three months before the Olympics and I was like okay. I'm playing tomorrow. There's no I am not like this girl can go like jump around and win golds for the US. I was like I gotta I gotTa try and play tomorrow and got it in the boot and was able to deploy probably was terrible but were there like were you in a lot of pain. That one was bad for in that kind of lingered for a while where wasn't getting any better so but it's good now that's all because of your mom rate like I. I read that story. Alex Pruitt didn't sports illustrated and that it was a beautiful story. And just tells the story about your mom and how she had to go to work. Yeah well my dad is well they both? They never missed a day of work but my mom she is. She still does it to this day. Show and I'll be in. She worked both worked for Fedex. Thirty five my mom's at thirty five years now. My Dad did thirty years in just grind a went to work every day. My Dad was a truck driver. My Mum just worked in the office answering phones and stuff like that now. She's worked way up to manager but Just every single day never never once complained about work and they had a thing ruled two. When you got home. You didn't talk about work so it was kind of you do your job at work. You come home and it's family time and I remember her being sick probably not wanting to go to work Obviously in when your kid have hockey tournaments in some stage missing Friday school she would never you know we'd have to go with another family because she had to work and always remember that as a kid and my brother and sister are the same way. My sister works harder than anyone I know she do. She's so she works with handicapped kids school. She's like the aid in their classes. A caller mister clean because she has more jobs than Mr Clean. She does She'll do tutoring she does everything. And my brother's the same way. Boston COBB goes to work every day. Works midnights to nine in the morning and just punch the clock every day and something. I try to do as well. We'll ballots. Great your sister. She God's work it's awesome. She's the best you don't complain about things to you. I try not to. Sometimes I find myself like you know. Sometimes you like the sense that I get from. You is you. Don't let things bug you right now. I remember when we first started this. Podcast Texting with with Ryan Whitney and wit said. Yeah you gotta get you gotTa yell this the best guest you're going to have you gotta get handle on. I said really wish I ask him if we had him. Is this dude's a freak? He can take a pair of skates out of the box. And just GonNa play guys are so of course you know specific grocery him with his feet as how it all came crashed at but like. I don't get the sense that you're going to be distracted by things or let something as simple as well. These skates don't feel perfect. That's not GonNa bug you like. This isn't princess in the PR. I can't sleep. This pillow is not right asleep on Tyson. Nash is still search. Yeah yeah I try to be pretty is as low maintenance as possible if this case thing? I could wear skates right out of the box in the game. Barky does it to Barky does. Even I use a pair like every five six games. He's like every three games will right. the boy out of the box. I don't even think he heats his up. I heat lineup. He doesn't even heat his up and he he's a free man that makes them even respect them as a player. Even how do you do that? Yeah he's unreal. Who's WHO's the weirdest about their equipment that you've met any teams hose fanatical whether it's about sticks escapes something anything. Ed Jovanovski was pretty actually. Rafi tors number one. We call them Japan because he was always in the Stick Room like making sticks you with like what is this guy making in here but he He was working on a stick and he would band. Everybody stick like breaking stick shift from like testing the flex he would cut the insides out. And then like tighten the finger so his fingers with tighter like usually get him out of the bag and put them on. We'll so I thought but he was pretty anal about a slight edge so Franks. I just saw him the smart. He coaches my son's hockey. Two thousand twelve. I'm playing this back for him. As Rafi was that freak all he was a freak he was always in the stick room and it would be the be smoke spray paint. You be like what is going on not goes in there. Knowing going near there he'd come out and I'm like the mask on. He was he was a good guy. Really good guy very good guy. Oh my God. That's pretty funny Your Free Agency when you sign with Florida all like. Can you take us through that process? And what were you expecting? All the sudden was your reaction when you heard what the panthers were willing to offer. Well the whole thing was you know when especially last year is to get to July one rate. It's that day that you've markdown. Only time you're GONNA be a free agent or some guys. If you're in my case it was the first time I was going to be free agent and you know right before my agent had me write a list of teams that I would that I would love to play for and then a list of teams that you know I think would could afford or had my whatever it was and Florida was at was number one for both 'cause I knew it was you know they had some money to spend. I just saw what they did. They made the playoffs that year at Blade was there and you know Trojan Bark. Y'All those guys so I knew that they had upcoming team so it was Kinda came out of the blue that they traded for me and all maybe someone from New York might call. Would you play 'cause they traded and they got a better pay whatever it was and I said actually I would. I would definitely go there and It kind of all on route and I remember I talked to was Eric. Joyce the town that I live in you have to buy trash tickers to bring you trash out in Eric. Joyce that I. I don't think you're going to have to be buying too many more trash. You'll be having people bringing out your trash now and I was like it happened really quick and it was You know I never got the one I. There's a member there was that documentary with tie. Domi and the it was. It was like the day in hockey or a year. Yeah Straight and yeah right before. Is this an American? Yeah well it was just like they told bits was a five year deal worth a million a half a year. He goes this new American. That go yeah. He just the at this huge smile on his. So when you're as Jerry Barclay when he first told you the numbers you know what was your reaction. It's one of those things you're like holy crap like it's yeah you'd play for free to play in this league you'd pay to play to play in the NHL to be able to you know stay at the hotels that we stay at the travel. The fans like everything about the NHL is just like like I love it. I love being a part of the NHL. So it's kind of one of those things where it's like like when I retire. I wanted just like I don't know maybe even be like an equipment manager for free just to be around like the guy just still be a part of the NHL so to be paid and as well as we do. It's just amazing Have you thought about post trying to wrap up your career? You got a lot of things that do still have you ever. The good news is Rafi. Tours retired his sticks exactly as a coach. Mike my brand though Have you ever thought about next member? Kelly Rudy wants brought up. The point said the minute you think about retirement part of your tires. Have you ever allowed yourself to think about timers? That's still too far. Yeah I don't re- My wife gets on a little bit just for because she wants me to like. Get some schooling in to Kinda feel like. I'm far away from that where I try not to think about too much. But then you seeing guys that you played without a retire and doing things in its you. Try Not to think about like you say but it's definitely one of those things you know. It's closer than further away. So I think for me I would definitely love to still be in the game. Doing something and You know what's it comes? We'll figure it can be a broadcaster. Look I'm good looking into I may be raising. Ab League Kief no cleanup well. I don't know I did some stuff with. Nbc At the end of the show was fun but man like you guys a hard work. I I went into thinking not that was going to be easy but like you're studying games. You're there for a lot of hours like I tell everyone like I left that like man. These guys work their tails off every day. Heath it's not that I want to you can do did last year at the All Star when Kucherov Vassilev ski steady stone facing live from San Jose with that superstar Nikita Kucherov food. Who's your favorite player? All right we'll go find somebody else bathroom. What do you got for me all right over to here trying to get a Get another lightning guy maybe stand with. Nhl Network load off your to rushing. Teammates were talk to Mesa either. Document that setup. I figured they weren't ignoring you purpose. What I kind of just did it for the Russian thing and earth and then I wasn't even thinking about like the in state rivalry and then because the also gave me thinking. Yeah we're all friends here. But those guys were unreal. Guys like awesome to talk to funny very funny so I got along with them. Great and then came up with that idea and they were awesome. We were talking. We were watching about the battle of Alberta You're sitting here on Sunday afternoon. What would a seven game playoff series be like between Florida and Tampa? Yeah would the goal be fighting by the end of that series Whole to Russian goal is to How quick can you get hate for Tampa awe? Well we played them this year. We played like the last three or four preseason games and then started the season off with him twice in the last. Preseason games were chippy. It was nasty now. Is like this could be awesome rivalry and unreal in the playoffs. And hopefully hopefully it comes to the other end The first time I saw you play you play the regular season. He played one year. One year among your one year you so I saw the merck that year And you guys lost the ramparts. You scored two goals in. The final scored a goal in the semi final against Vancouver. Thank yeah because Lucia was. I was on. That was the first time I saw Keith. Yandell MOAS that like for you. Take US BACK TO JUNIOR. Was still all innocent hockey. Will you still had like that? Because some guys play like pro players already start thinking like pro players always want to get done with this junior stuff and move on to manage career. Keith. Yandell in Moncton. Where's your head at while I was still lived like I'm a day to day? I live my life like one day at a time. Never look like too far ahead for anything. I didn't even really know if I would. Obviously I was drafted by Phoenix. And but I didn't know if I was like what even the process was of going to the miners are going to the NHL. And I went to training camp that year and I was like Oh my God like I could be maybe playing in the NHL here and then go back to junior We had a really good team Teddy Nolan. But I wasn't like every thinking like okay. I got this year over so I can. You know your term Pros Kinda just enjoy this time in Moncton new. I knew nothing about the Memorial Cup going into it and everyone's always until the year is going to be the best and it was hosted it. We hosted yet. We also WANNA won the league too so but it was you know and then lost to Quebec played in the finals of that the Quebec League but they were they had a good team but if for me was kind of just it was my path that I was on. I didn't really look too far ahead for anything and it just was playing Brad. Marchand was your teammate thing would have been nineteen eighteen to seven character. He ever Liq- in practice. He didn't know he was quiet. Then he was he was. What was he liked that he was quiet. He was I mean he was from the area too so he kind of he was. You know had kind of his own thing going on a little bit too with and He was unbelievable player. Especially in that Ma'am Cop. He was amazing that year. He was one of those guys to you knew but the NHL hadn't really gone small yet so you didn't really know off but you knew his skill set and everything that he You're not shocked by what he's doing. Now how good he is. Was Patrick Wildlife in that moral you guys. He so remember him. In teddy known had elite beef. Where they someone said something about they. Were GonNA fight at center ice or something. I mean patties intense guy and and probably pretty tough but teddy is when he gets mad. He's a scary man. Use a great coach to Joel Quenneville. Let's the panthers so this year you know you guys did a big Joel Quenneville Bobrovsky stroman. Your Ford is having an unbelievable year. Brett Connolly Great Guy. So what did you hear about? Joel Quenneville? Before you knew him and what turned out to be true now that you've had them for half a year I think he was. Kinda one of those guys. You always knew that guy's love playing for him and you could just tell by the way the guys played for them in Chicago. The you knew he was a player coach and a guy that played new the game. But I think once you have them you know. Nothing's negative about him. Everything is he's teaching you not to put anyone down. He's teaching you to help the team win to help you get better as a player. I think that's the best thing about him is where he's you know he's a he's a teacher. He's teaching the game still. He's passionate about it but he's you know he's not mean about anything obviously scary like he's intimidating guy but he You know he's a guy you love to play for. Is He ever pulled out the rings like did you ever pull them out for you guys never know? He has a heat he never mentioned. Chicago? Doesn't say all when we were in Chicago he did this. He's everything's just about our group our team and what we have to do. I am curious about death stairs when it comes to Joel Quenneville for me. He's number one for you beside my mom. Yeah he's You don't WanNa get the glare down like or when you're skating at the ice and you know he's looking at him and you like don't look don't look don't look but he's he's he's intimidating but he's he doesn't in the right way. What's the biggest area God from you did? I don't know I I can't remember off off the top of my head. I'm sure I've had a few but like try. Not if I know I'm GONNA get one. Just try not to even look down there if we Simmons a Memorial Cup here a couple of moments ago. That would have been two thousand and six. We went back and watched Keith. Yandell in two thousand six and then put Keith. Yandell in twenty twenty right beside him and ran frame to frame frame to frame. How different would you look for? How you as a player? I think I was a little more I used to call me the was like a wild horse. He was like. You can't tell the like you can't use like you gotTa let him. You gotTa let them run. You GotTa let them run so I would always be up in the play and I remember my dad. Be Like your defenseman. You gotta be back a little bit and I would die in the Quebec League's little running gun so I think back then I was basically a forward Obviously still enjoy the offensive part of the game now but I was actually probably. I was more of a shooter in June. I think a decent goals I think in junior so I was a little more of a shooter. on then came to the NHL and realized that. I wasn't going to score much unhugged. These boys are so. Give it to the guys who can score and So probably a little bit more of a passer now than a shooter and I wasn't junior. I got two more just for a number of wine sitting here on Sunday afternoon. Just before the Super Bowl and You guys played in Montreal game the afternoon. You got a Toronto on this Monday night but you got into trouble in time to watch one of your close friends. Get into a goalie fight. You Texted Mike Smith after the game. What was your reaction when you saw Mike Smith and Cam Talbot at Center ice the Battle of Alberta if they do it and he got his back at your data dollars Daniels. Coming up to this thing blew over in a hurry and spit. It's coming out the center. Ice as this thing comes unglued at bear. The high slot here frightened. Looks like what Matthew? It's could chuck at bare. Their trade top of the one that started side of the building both guys played for the other key respectively the year before the battle doper. They're going against each other and Mike Smith came break. The Center Talbot said. You don't want let's do this. What played with both guys in both guys? Great Guys Different guys to camps kind of a mellow guy in Smitty and intense in your face and You know when I saw Smitty at center ice. Wait in there like he's one of those guys especially goalie like he's probably been waiting his whole career for that like he info to be battle. Burda like just to ham it up more. And he's a big strong tough kid. I would definitely wouldn't fight him so you knew he wanted. He wants. He loved it and you could. You could tell like he if I forward came out and tried to fight them or somebody. He would've fought them. He didn't care and the last one I have for. You have kind of this. You played briefly for the Rangers. But you're also in Arizona and Florida and You know the Canadian hockey fans and sometimes the media were snobs and I was wondering if playing in those situations and hearing some of the things. Canadian fans said about those cities. Before you've ever been like you know what enough with that. Bs like you take it personally at all. Some of the things that have been said those a a lot in Phoenix especially the years that we thought we were GONNA move Was kind of just moved. The team already might as well but I think for US. We just he wanted to be part of something to build. I mean if that team's not there you don't have Austin Matthews like that's He doesn't have a team to look up. He probably doesn't start hockey he doesn't idolize probably shamed on and you know isn't the player that he is now so. I think you need you know the small market teams. You'RE GONNA get players that look at all the players coming from Florida California and watch. Now there's GonNa be guys coming out of Vegas and it's going to be a it's GonNa be fun couple things then Further to that. What is the biggest misconception? That people have a boat either Florida's hockey state or the panthers. Probably the biggest thing just with Florida like you come into a cold city. You're not outside you kinda you know. There's a game at night. You're GONNA be okay. We're GONNA put the fire on watch. The game does nothing you know maybe to do outside but I think in Florida. There's just so much going on where there's you can kinda get you know during your day. Forget that there's GonNa be a game that night. 'cause it's nice out you're you're you're not confined to your house. You're doing things so I don't know if it has something to do with that. Also there's a lot of people aren't from there You know people didn't grow up with a team and the team came in ninety three right now. It's still people that didn't grow up as kids watching them and But I think you got to play well and I think for us. That's something we gotta take. Pride in is playing well and and getting people to come last one Florida. Panthers are playing the Carolina Hurricanes. Keith Yandell on the ice in his own zone Andres fashioned. Cough is skating behind the nets. What is going through your mind? I'm taking a two minute if he's behind your getting a slosh penalty no That's something you don't WanNa be a part of but it's not even him now anyone's going to do it so it's Berg pulled it out. Matthews's tried to you guys. This is this is like I would imagine that going into a game against Carolina. This would be something you'd have to game plan right especially in. It's not even now that the guys are stop like he's picking it up at you like fords. Pick it up at almost full speed. And it's it's crazy. What guys can do with the PUCK nowadays? Listen this has been a delight Thank you for making time superbowl. Sunday is tough for a lot of guys. Thanks for parking some with us today. Thanks for having me guys. We're going to hold you to this. Forty niners chiefs. I'm going forty niners. Jimmy G. used to play for my pats Really a yeah so he. My mother-in-law is a forty niners fan. I'M GONNA go forty niners. I really have no skin in the game either way. So it's Kinda hope for a good game and Go niners I guess. All right maybe tougher question. Best musical ever best musical ever I'M GONNA GO Lion King. I Love Jersey. Boys was really good. Anything give lying around Bookham. Mormon you ever see that insane that that's probably seen that like three or four times. The school Iraq's unreal or come on tape book of Mormon is the only one that's close to Lion King. Thank you guys kid the saints. You optus look.

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Thanksgiving Carving

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Thanksgiving Carving

"He's the king misconduct podcast with Don the Greco at walked through the Monday edition of game. It's conduct. I am Don McGregor Monday, usually means EJ Radic from the NHL network. How are you, sir? I am great done. Good to be with you again. Happy thanksgiving in advance looking forward to it. And that's always that line of demarcation going back to our days with NHL live. You know where you are at American. Thanksgiving is always a pretty good indication in the past. Usually if you were not in the playoffs by then the likelihood of you going to the playoffs was very very slim. I don't know if that still exists because you have so many teams so close, but it's kind of disconcerting that half of the playoff teams from last year enter the week of American thanksgiving out of the playoffs. What does that say? It says it's a really tough and tight league where there's a lot of parody. I think more this year Donnie than that almost ever before. And I think the American thanksgiving thing will still hold true for a high percentage of the teams. But I think because there's so little separation between the teams, I don't think it's one of those ninety five percent things because there's a team, you know, there are a number of teams that are gonna be like one or two points out of a playoff spot. There's just not enough for separation, but it's tight in anybody. You know, anybody could win these games. It seems like a great example for me is you know, Monday night here. The penguins are hosting the sabers. And if he would've told me that that would be a hard game to predict who was gonna win like three months ago. Right. I would've been surprised, but it is extremely difficult to figure out what's going to happen in that game. Because sabres have been really good with back to back wins. And. You know winning in Winnipeg and Winnipeg and Minnesota I'm back to back nights. Where those teams playing there's really tough. And now they're going to Pittsburgh and the penguins on the flip side have just been. They've just been terrible. I don't know if us three in a row and two seven to one in ten games, and they're giving up a lot of goals. So it's definitely just just one of the signs of the season on that that it's definitely been a different year. Yeah. And you can't blame the Crosby injury. He just started to miss these games at the tail and they're playing poorly when he was in the lineup. And now that he's going to be out for the next few games, you know, unless you can recover you're talking about what what's wrong with Pittsburgh. They're technically dead last in in the conference. But yet, you know, still when you look at the metropolitan division. The Rangers are in third place with twenty two points in Pittsburgh's got seventeen with two games in hand. So you're right. I mean, you can just have one good week. It'd be right back into the playoffs again. But still when you look at eighteen. Games. That's enough of a sample to see what a team is. And Pittsburgh's been even at their best quite average. Yeah. I agree. They had a nice little run in the western Canadian trip. They went on it started in Toronto. They won their handling against me. So they went out west, and they really did a number on the flames they'd beat the Oilers. They'd be knock than it looked like they were going to take off, and they came back home and really sense, then they've been they haven't been very good at all. And watching them against the devils last week. They doesn't seem to be any jump in their game. And he biting their game. And they don't defend very well. And that was on full display against the Ottawa Senators on Saturday night when the senators I think would fix against depends rolled out to a five one lead before when I was six three. So we'll see where the penguins are for this game against the Buffalo Sabres, but if defend better Jimmy Rutherford is he's already made one trade. I think he would love the Drake Phil kessel if he could I just think it's very hard trade to make. And you know, time will tell what they do there. But. It's it's different here. Look, Chicago, Chicago LA, Pittsburgh, the dominant teams of the last ten years another all kind of really cog, owing me coaching changes. Pittsburgh is struggling. So it's a, you know, it's the sixth Nicole, cyclical nature of sports and those guys who were really driving the those respective teams. You know, they're a little bit older a little bit more miles on it. It's not as easy Tampa loses. Vassilev ski for a while Louis Demings. Now the starting goaltender for them. Can they just score their way to support demanding until Vassilev FC comes back or will they try to do? Well, I think that they are just they'll probably play game to game when it comes to something like that. I mean, they're fortunate looks at her schedule. I don't think they got they might have won back to back between now and January first they don't have very many. So that means they can just keep rolling to Megan there. And if people as well, they have no worries you know, he's it's been a little bit up and down. You know, so far they had the big lead in Philly. The other day believe the last ten minutes ended up winning in overtime. The they probably will need to provide the more offense and support. Let's face it. You can't lead on the as you can ski. But you know, maybe that'll be good for the for the lightning group that they've got maybe tighten things up a little bit be more concentrated on that. But that's a very very good team deep team. And I think they'll get through it. The only thing you wonder about it not division where you know, finishing first or finishing second can really be important as your playoff hopes. Right. I mean, if you finish second, you know, you could end up in a if you're Tampa you could end up in a series withdrawn or Boston, I know Buffalo's three hole right now. But let's just say it's just a harder path to go in that two three mashups. So we will say but movie demands getting an opportunity here, and we'll see what he can do over these next couple of weeks. Yeah, we're at the corner poll for most teams. Still couple of teams lag behind as I mentioned seventeen games for for Florida. And I watched that team. And I know they've had a heck of a schedule having to go out to Finland and they've had their moments, but Longo looked very average on Saturday. I'm not sure if it's just because the Rangers have their number. They're only beat them twice in regulation in the last sixteen games, or whether that's a team that we could just admit that has maybe underachieved or the baby we were a little too high on them at the beginning of the season. Maybe you know, they Luongo got hurt right off the hop. And I think they got themselves behind the eight ball he came back and during the trip to Finland I thought they had a structure some good games after that. And then they've had a couple of disappointing performances losing the Columbus. And the Rangers on the road. They've got an odd schedule to done because they've they've had a bunch of you know, road games. And it's the kind of a road Ray road trip sort of speak now that they're in the midst of they've got three more on the road, Ottawa, Tampa and Carolina, and then they come home for eight. So I mean, I think by the end of that game homestand, you know, middle of early December. We'll have a better read on the Florida Panthers. But that's gonna be the opportunity for them. And you know, I look ahead. I'm just looking at their schedule looking into February if they can stay in the mix they play the first from February first through the twenty third. It looks like they played nine of ten or ten or eleven at home. They're only ROY. Games in Washington. So they've got some stretches where they can play well on home ice. They could really they can really kind of move themselves into it. That said they finished with a bunch on the road. So it's an odd kind of scheduled for the Panthers this year, especially when you're factoring the Finland trip. I think they've got a pretty good team. But it's so competitive this week you just have to give her you have to play you have to compete and play hard every night. Yeah. That's the area for the Florida Panthers. Do they do that? Can they will they come and well, they put their nose to the to the to the to the ground and really work and grind. And can Roberta Longo, you know, be healthy and productive. He's had to play a lot. And he just said he didn't look as good in the game against the Rangers. The other night. Maybe that's part and parcel. The fact that he's had to play a bunch. So, you know, that's that's the theme that, you know, they're not benefiting from the fact that other teams around them Buffalo's gotten off to a great start. And then I better than the fact that some of these teams that we thought were going to be bad. I've been better than anticipated. So far you Montreal too. In that division for sure you're already. Mentioned to Western Conference teams like, oh, they're coaches, you can make a case three more could do the same. Anaheim Edmonton, Saint Louis all I would think they're coaches have to be on notice especially in Edmonton saw two part question. Do any of those three teams let go of their coach. And is it possible that Joel Quenneville could land in any of those three spots. Well, you know, first of all regarding Joel Quenneville anybody wants to sign job when have to ante up big time financially, and I can tell you when you go to the thirty one teams that are in the league as we are. Now, there's only a handful that like to pay a lot of money for their coach. So Anaheim is not one of them Edmonton is not one of them and Saint Louis is not one of them. So when I mean, anti up is Chicago Q is making six million this year, he'll make another six million next year any team that wants to do an offset and signed him. We'll have to pay at least four million pro rated four million this year and four million next year. And then probably have to add years to that on the end. And I'm sure Joel isn't gonna do when these new pro Bono work. So I saw him out with the shot ski last night outside the bears game, which was kind of funny. I guess they they have one of those fees that have the shot glasses attached to it. And Joel Quenneville was there and in a hat. I guess somebody must recognize them. And and he was you know, he got he partook. Cook sorta speaking that tradition at Soldier Field. But you know, I don't I don't see Joel I think Joe wants to coach, but you know, it's gonna come down to money. I don't think he's going to give it any money back. So that's going to be the problem there for those teams. I mean, I've been in they go to a pretty good start. It's been a struggle of late. I think anything's possible there they could make a move. I don't think that coaching necessarily is the problem. I don't know if they're going to be able to go out and get somebody that's better than Tom McLellan. Anaheim. I know they don't like to pay guys for not coaching. They've got a lot of injuries. But that seems really struggling right now if they do make a move I was suspected would be with deacons we'd get elevated from their minor league teams. And in St Louis, you know, it's another there've been an underachieving group this year. But you know, again, when you look at it there's been some holes that team the goaltending has been average and the DA's underachieve. I mean portrayal hasn't played very well start the season the guy that we usually think about in the north copay. Race and this year. He's been it's been a real struggle for him so far. So there's kinda mitigating circumstances and all those places, and I don't know if there's a better answer for those teams. But as you know, Donnie, doesn't always mean the coach stays just because there isn't a better answer. Sometimes they do it and they move into a different direction and hope for the best. All right. You want to do some tweets here. Let's do it. All right. We've got many people ask about knee Lander that's been an ongoing question for a while narrowed narrative down to francs simple question. What will it take to the Rangers to acquire Willie Neulander? Well, I mean, I would think it would take a good young defenseman. And maybe maybe something else you any British as the name that comes to mind right away. Although he was a hill scratch on Saturday because of the way the fact that ratio is not playing well right now. Right. So right fake them appealing to the Leafs. I I think the lease might wanna right shot guy. Guy instead of a left shot guy just because they have Morgan Riley back there and they have Gardner, although I don't know if he's the long-term guy for them in Toronto based on his contract situation down the road. But you know, I think they're they're, you know, there were the Rangers have a lot of young assets. They have some young players. I mean, it depends if they wanna part with any of them, but certainly way letters really talented offensive player and Ray he fits into the Rangers window of looking to rebuild with young players. So it'd be I think it'd be worth it to try to get him if they could. But again, it really will depend upon not what we think the Toronto Maple you want it'll depend on what the trial actually want. And there might be other deals out there that are more to their liking. So I would think the raiders will be wise to be in the mix. And if they could get him, I think it'd be great for now and they've survived without him. And they've survived without Matthews as well. The only thing that leaves have to figure out how to win at home otherwise. Yeah, they've been a terrific hockey team. They've been really good. They're gonna get a lot of high end performance doing. I mean, like, Freddie Anderson has played really well Mitch martyrism revel is a revelation to me. I mean, I always knew he was a pretty good player. I mean, you know from fourth overall pick. So we knew it was a good player. But he makes a lot of that stuff gopher Leafs. I mean their power play runs through his abilities. And his is his vision on the ice. So I mean, there's a lot of things in Mitch mortars game that I've been impressed with. So he's a big part of things for them. They'll get nephews back soon, and you know, the clock is ticking. Because world we the nineteenth and November today that's about you know, world oil what ten ten eleven days away from December first. And if you enter is not signed by December first, or by anybody, I mean, he won't be able to play in the National Hockey League this year. So there is a deadline, and you know, I'm always kind of been a believer that deadlines create action, and we're getting close out of that. We'll see what happens Dave Brown. Not the former flyer at least looking at the avatar. He goes, I know you've touched on this bit. But of the devils hearing any offers on Snyder, I love seeing Kincaid play well and becoming the number one. It's a good lesson as you never know when your number is going to get called. Yeah. I not that. I know of it. I don't know if if the devils are shopping, I mean, they are in a in an interesting spot there because Schneider has got a couple of years left on a deal of I think around six million per and keeping Kate is eligible fraud restricted free agency on July first, so they will have to sort through that they'll have to hopefully get Cory Snyder played. Well, if somebody was interested right now, I think it would be on the big Cory Schneider believers and feel that you know, he's going to bounce back. He's gonna get his game together, and he can come in and help someone but the pretty sizable number cap wise for you know, from goaltending position. So and he hasn't he's been doing a lot. And he hasn't played well of late so. I don't suspect that something that will happen. Right. You know in the next shortwhile? I think for the doubles the best thing that can happen. Of course, Neider I think he's playing better in the game against Carolina. And they've got hope that question I can get himself comfortable, and and and get them so playing well. And then all of a sudden if you feel like you wanna transition attic and Cade or to Kincaid. Maybe there's maybe there's a deal to be made. But I think it's hard to trade someone who's got a significant cap it for several years who who hasn't been performing well due to really just he hasn't been. He hasn't been right. He's had a lot of injury issues. So if he can get going and playing better than that, surely changes that picture a little bit, right? Chris wants to talk about his flyers who says hey guys after the flyers four-goal third period comeback resulted in overtime loss, I'm conflicted. If I should feel optimistic that they are cashing in on opportunities or pessimistic that the same issues such as PK caused them to fall behind them lose what you say. Well, I mean the penalty killing has not been great. But I mean, you give up power play goals to the to the Tampa Bay Lightning. I mean, you're not the only guy in town doing that. I mean, so I think that you know, the goaltending thing is continues to be a problem Elliott came back was playing well. And then he got new got hurt. So now, you're you know, noy, of course, is hurt. Because that's who he is. He's always hurt. And unfortunately, because he's a talented kid wanted on those on those weeks when he's healthy. But you know, Calvin Pickard is now in there, and you know, it's been a little bit of a struggle. He's wants them games. But you know, it's not an ideal circumstance. So you know, when even when you look at the penalty kill I mean when the goaltending is is problematic that impacts your penalty killing unit. So they're trying to get through it of. But it's difficult when you have they're really relying a lot on Brian Elliott, and he's been dinged up. A couple of times already shares not great news for the flyers. All right. Let's look at Troy. Says hey guys, do you think the kings have already lost the Stanley Cup which players could you move to try to salvage the season? Well, I think the kings. I don't see the things in the playoffs this year. I mean, it's the top heavy group for sure they got the really high end players at the top of their lineup. I mean, there's no question about it. When you think about Kobe tar who is a hard finalist last year. And drew doughty who's you know, perennial Norris trophy guy. But they haven't the some of the guys got a little longer the to like, you know, for example, Jeff Carter has been someone that you know, you watch the games. Now, you've just doesn't have the impact that he had. I don't know if that's the injury last year. But you know, he is definitely not the same ship Carter that he was you know, a couple of years back. They haven't had the performance from some of the guys underneath them. You know, Dustin Brown came back from injury this year. And he had an unbelievable your last year for someone who sit on the downturn. It's hard to imagine that you know, he's gonna have that same kind of season. He had last year, but he's a contributor. They went out and got crawl high all of that really does much for them. I mean haggles in the last year deal anyway. So maybe he's someone they. Flip at the deadline somewhere else. They're going to draft pick. You know? The gold thing is a mess right now with with quick and Campbell both hurt. They're relying on Peter booed. I the young kid Cal Peterson who played well and getting a win over the hawk is first and they win on Friday nights. But it's a struggle. I mean, the guys that you would that you, and if people are interested in our grew out on your copay for sure not going to try to whether you're young assets. And I think it's all pretty difficult to trade, you know, guys of that nature. They just have the big contracts, and it's that's a major decision to create those guys. So you know, if it Rob Blake wants to he wants to go for the full rebuild. He certainly could get a lot in return for someone like dowdy, I would say he's their most valuable asset and finally Alaska hockey nut says guys Brayden point has twelve goals and twenty two points ready this season de believe he is an emerging superstar in the league or just riding a hot streak. I think he's a really good player. I think he does a lot of things. Well, Griffiths gator. So I don't think this is just the guy was running hostile. But I will say this about breaking point. He's in a great circumstance right because he is dying alongside, you know, several really high end offense players where the focus of your team's defense against Tampa Bay lighting isn't simply Brayden point you have to be concerned with kucherov. Stamkos and Johnson. And then, you know, a headman and McDonough on the back end, then there's a lot of players in that group that you have to worry about. So he's in a great spot. But I'll tell you what that was a great draft pick by the Tampa Bay Lightning. Brayden point is is is is a terrific player. And I think he's just gonna continue to get better. Only EJ. Hope you have a fabulous thanksgiving. What's your plan? My plan is to stay relatively closer to home than I have in the past. And I don't have this is the first thanksgiving weekend where we don't have a youth hockey tournament to go through our band aid, the brick hockey. Club is is idle this weekend. We've had other tournaments that we've been in. So I think for. For the young players and their parents and for the coaching staff. It'll be a welcome break from each other. All right. Well, I and I do not have a range. I the ranger pre imposed. What do you got what do you guys? But I'm not traveling. All I got pre imposed for the flyer ranger game on that afternoon. After thing. There. You know, the call the Rangers and the caps on Saturday, but I don't know travel usually I'm heading somewhere thanksgiving night to Tampa, Boston or Washington somewhere. But I don't have to do that this year. No football for me. I because I don't do the jets anymore. So I don't have to worry about any of that so nice hockey weekend. After thanksgiving looking for let me ask you one quick question before we go. We're twenty games for the Rangers. You see them a lot. What do you think? You don't what I think they are were I thought they would be a team that could battle for a playoff spot. I think I had a chance to talk to Jeff Gordon before the game on Saturday because he spoke because of the Spooner trade for with the Evanston Oilers throughout bring Ryan Stroman. And I asked him what he thought about the team at the quarter pole, and he said he thinks more just about developing the young players in. I think that's where they have to feel real good. I mean, he had three goals in three games. He's a first ranger teenager to have a goal and three consecutive games. Anderson has been pretty decent. That's getting called up. And I think how is a really really good player. I mean, they have they're thrilled with him from what I understand Tampa really did not want to give him up that was a really tough give up for Tampa. And that trade last year with mcdonagh and Miller. So the the young guys are playing. Well, I think Kreider and Hayes have been very good. I think this is a team that could battle to the playoffs. The very end that's guaranteeing that they can make it. But if the first twenty games or any indication, I think this is a team that they're not tanking. They're not gonna you know, go the way of you know, the kings were looks like they could be selling off pieces. I think that they're gonna play right till the end now that might end up being negative EJ. Because of the fact is like what do you do with Kevin Hayes because if they're in it, they may not trade him at the deadline and could very well lose them in free agency. But I think there's a team that can get to ninety points and battle into the final last couple of days to make the playoffs. And if that's the case that means the kids are playing well. And I think it's a ranger fan. You've got to be pretty happy about that. Yeah. There's more young players hopefully coming down the road. So I think you're right. I think you're always, you know, people always talk about trying to lose the hydrophobic, which is great for fans. But I know that the players and coaches, they didn't get this level. So they can sit in the locker room and try to figure out ways to lose. Oh, so right now, and it has coach he gets mad when. Yeah. Yeah. And this this coach bring up rebuild and he gets upset because he wants to win games at this first NHL job, and he doesn't want to just be a babysitter for this team until they turn the corner. I think he's a good coach on any end. The thing is she's got a little Twitter L A M without the viciousness of when you make a mistake to say, you know, Smith Smith turns the puck over he doesn't see the he doesn't see a game for three games, you know, Brady shade in play. Well, he's gonna sit la- Terry took an awful penalty in the first period. Florida. You didn't see a began till the third period. He doesn't rip guys. He just says. Hey, listen, the players any as a positive spin on a to e j it's like, hey, listen, I could tell you that the players playing poorly. But I think we got depth here. And I got somebody that can play better than him. So he looks at Ha's it is I don't think he's a disciplinarian. But he's someone that says if you're not playing while you're going to sit and if you're playing well not. Only you're gonna play you're gonna get more minutes, and you're gonna move up. And I and I think that that's a that's a nice atmosphere to play in. Yeah. I agree. I think I time is at the end of the day for coaches, and I I know this all the way down to the the little kids that I'm with is the ice time is what all the players want. And that's how you can control the level of effort. And that's the weapon you have it. He's used it quite a bit early. Good for him playing. Well. Happy. Thanksgiving buddy you to enjoy with the little ones there. We will their very first thanksgiving. Thanks a lot EJ. That's the great each joins us every Monday on NHL live. I used to work with him for a long time. Now here on game is conduct. And he comes on every Monday when he can NHL now NHL network Monday through Friday from four to six eastern time. Let's give you a little indication of the games tonight. Nine of them tonight because everything's messed up because Tuesday, Thursdays are most of the games are played in the NHL the with Thursday being off because of thanksgiving. We've front loaded a lot of games on Monday. And Wednesday matter of fact that just one game tomorrow at San Jose in Edmonton's, actually, pretty good. When benign games tonight, Rangers and the stars from Addison's Square Garden starts coming off a six two thrashing of the islanders very top heavy team Dallas, but Sagan Ben Rachel off when they're on. There is good as any team in the league. So that should be a nice test for the Rangers. Tonight caps and Canadians over at the bell centre caps nine seven and three very average. Canadian's coming off a nice late win against Vancouver. Blue. Jackets, and the leaves what a great match up here too. Hot teams, blue jackets and first place in their division. The leaves getting they're they're trying to close in on Tampa should be funnel. The Leafs five and five at home. Despite how good they've been EJ brought it up sabres and penguins in Pittsburgh, you know, and he said, this is a tough one the call who would have thought it. No matter of fact, I think if you're gonna pick anybody, but Buffalo's been the better team twelve six two s- couple of huge wins over the weekend. As EJ said in Minnesota and Winnipeg to very difficult places to play penguins to struggling giving up way too many goals that should be fun seven thirty tonight. It's the Panthers and the senators from Ottawa Senators been able to stay above water. Hey, listen, Florida. We thought they were a playoff team. They're in last place in the Atlantic at seven seven and three at eight o'clock to struggling teams with the kings and the blues from Saint Louis, lightning and predators from Nashville predators have slowed down just a little bit with three straight losses on the road. They return home where they've got their other three losses. And of course, Tampa just out scoring the goal tending right now they did blow lead against Philadelphia but did win that game in overtime. Golden knights. Nice bounce back. Win for them on Sunday. They'll be in Calgary to take on the flames as they are in western Canada right now and also ten o'clock the jets and the Canucks Vancouver four consecutive losses miserable road trip for them the close and then they lost their first game at home to Montreal on Saturday. Ten ten and two and the jets coming off that defeat the buffalo still eleven five and two a great team that should be a lot of fun with a Canadian matchup there late. So here's the way the lay of the land for this week again because of thanksgiving we're going to be back with game is conduct tomorrow because we got nine games to recap and go over and then we'll come back on Friday. So we'll take Wednesday and Thursday off Thursday. Of course, thanksgiving they'll be no games and Friday, we wanna come on because we want to have our top five. So we will have another one on Friday. So well, let's do a game his conduct tomorrow for Tuesday. And then we'll take a couple of days off thanksgiving. And then come back on Friday still could get in touch with me at down the Greco hashtag game has conduct. Thanks for joining us. Here should be a lot of fun with nine games tonight back with again tomorrow. This was the Monday. Edition of game has conduct. To gain misconduct by cast looking for more dumb. 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Malkin gets Game Misconduct

Hockey Today

23:12 min | 2 years ago

Malkin gets Game Misconduct

"The. King misconduct podcast with Don la- Greco at welcome to the Thursday edition of game is conduct. I am Dan the Greco lots to get into. But of course, the big story. The Malcolm hit on Oshii last night in the capital's two two one victory over the Pittsburgh Penguins. Penguins analysis five in a row. So there's probably some concern in the steel city over the way the team is playing, but let's get to the Malcolm hit. It was the second time. Oh, she was forced to leave the game. He had taken high-stick early in the game. Comes back gets hit in the second period. By Malcolm leaves comes back scores. The game winning goal with men and fourteen seconds to go. So kind of Paul Korea ish if you will from the Stanley Cup final two thousand and three so major win for the Washington Capitals on a tough loss for Pittsburgh. Now standing at six five and three. So when you count the shootout and overtime losses as actual houses. This team's two games under five hundred pretty disturbing. Let's get to the Malcolm situation and as right now. Reports are no hearing, which means no suspension for Malcolm. Now, let's try to have cooler heads prevail here because both of these teams have huge fan bases especially the penguins. And I saw it on Twitter. And I heard the calls from the announcers. And of course, Washington's over the top all the penguin people are like, oh, she ran into him. I'm telling you. I'm neutral. Okay. Forget a ranger announcer. You guys know me. I have no allegiance believe what you want a fall sport for a long time. I'm going to tell you honestly, what I saw I listened to it when I was driving home I met last night. So I was on top of that game DVR sought multiple times ahead. Somebody told me a long time ago about athletes and about what they know. And what they don't know. Athletes at this level. They are exceptionally intelligent about the sport that they play when it looks like it's not intentional it likely is I remember when they put the rule in for the delay of game. Remember back in the day. The goaltender was the only one that got called for delay. Game of the puck went over the boards. Now, it's a penalty. No matter who does it in the defensive tone. And I'd say boy, that's a that's a really tough rule. Right because it could be so unintentional. And I was told wait a minute. These guys are professionals. These guys know what they're doing ninety nine percent of the time. When something like that's done. It's done on purpose. That's why the rules in place. Malcolm is a hall of Famer Malcolm's one of the great players in this league. He's a smart player. He's also a nasty player. He sees Oshii common. He raises his shoulder. He knows what he's doing. He just does. Now is it overly vicious is it in the territory that he needs to be suspended twenty games. Of course, not it's not a Tom Wilson situation. Okay. I've seen worse hits. I've seen more agreed just moments. It's not a Tuesay level type of a play. But if you follow with sport, then you get to know, these athletes and the level in which they play way. More times than not. They know exactly what they're doing. Malcolm has great vision. He sees is coming and he knows if he raises his shoulder he's able to get a head shot and probably do it subtly enough that maybe nobody notices. That's exactly what he's doing Oshii gets hit. Agreed just call. He gets the major penalty, which by the way, the Washington Capitals didn't score on. And he gets the game. Now, everybody in Washington wants the guy drawn and quartered. Everybody in Pittsburgh, saying pump the brakes, here's what I'll say. Is. It suspend -able. I just told you I think it was intentional. I think intentional headshots have to be disciplined. If you wanna get rid of them. That's what you do. If you really are concerned about the health and safety of these players if you're concerned about CT if you're concerned about concussions when a player intentionally hit somebody in the head. He should at least get a game. Now, why didn't he get a game? I will explain further. Why you didn't get a game? Yes, they always put into history as far as do you have a history of being suspended? You have a history of dirty play. They factor that shot to the head level of intention. All that is considered. That's all usually considered. When you determine how long somebody is going to be suspended. Ultimately, what really gets in the head of the department of public safety on whether a hit is suspended or not is the condition of the player that gets hit. I believe of OSI doesn't come back into the game. If Oshii suffered a concussion and was ruled out of their next game. I believe Malcolm would have been suspended. The fact that oh she went through the concussion protocol came back into the game scored game winning goal. He'll just get a fun. I really believe that's out works. You could be told anything you want by the league. But I'm telling you how it is. Oshii comes back scores the game winning goal. No discipline if he's out for the next week because of a concussion discipline. Now, it can get ugly because we've seen guys get hit not suffer concussions. But then week later all of a sudden there's another concussion that creeps in for some reason or he gets subtly hit, and it becomes a concussion or the. Symptoms. Come later. Then what do you do? But I really do believe the fact that oh she was not significantly heard on the play and was able to come back and contribute to the game. That's why Malcolm's not suspended. Is it right? Is it wrong? A let you guys decided. But if the league wants to get serious about headshots than I think you can't worry about whether the guy got hurt or not it's a headshot. It's luck some guy suffering concussion. If you if you sneeze on them wrong. Other guys can get belt head three four five times in a row and never suffer a concussion. So it's really in the eye of the not the eye of the beholder. It really depends on whoever gets hit. But the intention is still there. So the fact that oh she suffered a concussion not to me as a relevant. It's an intentional headshot should be disciplined. And if you want to add more later, depending on how long oh, she's going to be out then you can do that. But I think that's what we really lie here is that. I think it's the spendable. Fact that oh, she came back is it was not suspended will but watch out for Malcolm. I love him as a player who doesn't. Okay, obviously anybody that loses because of his skills, but he's a nasty player. He's nasty. And I think oh, she's gotta know when he's going in that Malcolm might be doing something like that. I hate always blaming the victim. But when you're around Malkin, he's nasty with his stick. He's nasty with his elbows with his shoulder. He's a nasty player. He plays with an edge. And I think the better education of players to play against him have the better they'll be able to defend themselves. I would have suspended him. But I'm not surprised. He's not suspended. So the capital's win the game two to one on the Oshii goal. Crosby had a goal in the game. Now, the penguins again, five straight losses. The can't blame the goaltending. All the time. Dismiss was fine. Just not a lot of offense going not a lot happening unless it involves Malcolm Crosby kessel la- Tang. They need to be more well rounded team here five consecutive losses. A bit disconcerting. What I say their season is over and biting by. No means what I say. That is a team built for the postseason. This team's gonna go to the postseason. But you dig yourself a significant enough whole, and you might find yourself playing a lot more meaningful games down the stretch than you thought when the season started so six five and three Pittsburgh after the two to one capitals victory in the capital's went back to back games for the first time this year predators. Make a statement went on the road. Again, they beat the avalanche by the final score of four to one. I mean this team is so loaded with talent that when it's a citizens. They get the hat trick. It's just kick yourself. Right. It's the it's not Forsberg. It's not Johannesen. You know, it's not any of, you know, sue ban or the the big time guns that they have Yoshi Yosi. It's at ends up being citizens with a hat trick for the predators. Who were just listening to twelve and three they haven't lost on the road all year. It's just incredible. And was rematch of the first round last year. And and we had a very disappointing first round. If you remember, but that actually went six games of the app. Blanche now given up way too many goals. It's become a problem. Now, it's become an issue for actually was conservative considering what they were given up in recent games. So keep an eye on the avalanche. Great start. But now they're starting to give up some goals here. So we'll see if they can turn that around but Nashville is really flexing their muscle. We're gonna have our top five power rankings for the week coming up tomorrow. And certainly it'd be hard pressed not to have Nashville still be number one for a third consecutive week docks with an important win three two over the flames with all the rumors about Joel Quenneville and his team really struggling. They bounce back after losing to the kings that I before and beat the flames final score. There was three to two the flames have been red hot specially scoring goals. So good job out of the ducks to keep the puck out of the net. Silverberg Henryk getting goals. And then gets lost gets the game winner. Six thirty three into period, number three. So a nice win for the ducks as they get back to NHL five hundred seven seven and three slew games tonight. Bruins in the Canucks. Great test for Vancouver in a hostile environment in Boston that should be interesting. He got chippy against with a whole Lucci each thing. And everybody's up in arms about what happened in that game. So Vancouver better be ready because this is going to be a Boston team. That's got one of the best lines in the NHL Pasternak has been red hot. But they can also play a physical chippy game as well. So a young Bank Hoover team high on themselves nine six and one. This is a huge huge tests going up against the eight four and two Boston Bruins Oilers continue their eastern swing. They'll be in Florida to take on a panther team. That's still you know, they got the split out in Finland which was nice winning the last game against Winnipeg and soil or team coming off a loss as I mentioned to the Boston Bruins. Coach and the fliers flyers back home after a decent western swing their back to five hundred at seven seven and one and the coyotes the surprising above five hundred at seven six and the flyers. Oh, the coyotes went after a loss in Arizona Canadians looking abouts back after blowing the three one lead against the Rangers. They'll take on the Buffalo Sabres that should be a fun game sabre seven six and to slow down just a little bit losing, of course to the arrangers back on Sunday. So that should be fun senators bounce back after getting crushed by buffalo nine two on Saturday to just put a hurting on the devil seven to three see if they can stay hot against again. A Golden Knights team six eight and one very very disappointing. Start their islanders had their five game winning streak snapped earlier in the week when they blew that three one lead to Montreal the being Tampa to take on the lightning. So that's a nice test for the aisles there as the lightning in the conversation is the best team at eleven three and won. Stamkos starting to get hot hurricanes now under five hundred after their fast start going against the Blackhawk team, obviously with the coaching change. First game since the coaching change. So we'll see how that goes for Chicago. See if they get a spurt because of new coach sharks in the stars. That's a good one as the stars of slowed down a bit shark starting to warm up and the last game we the wild and the kings wild gut cooled off by San Jose the other day, we'll see if the Los Angeles Kings can make it two in a row with Willie Jardin as their new head coach. So that should be a fun. Interesting game as well. Coming up later on tonight, as we've got a few very interesting games on the docket. R I want to hear from you at download brecca hashtag game has conduct. John says Donnie, I didn't think they hit was that bad compared to what hockey used to be. That would have been a drop in the bucket. The games changed. I mean, I get it. I'm a fan of the seventies and eighties as well. But all sports football. We've seen it in football. What used to be able to get away with even ten years ago is different than it is today. So clearly, I'm sure there's a lot of guys. Is specially those Broadway bullies of the of the seventies. And Philadelphia that laugh and Malcolm being disciplined or not being disciplined for that hit. Bye. Let's be honest. The games changed. And I think it's changed for the better because you want these guys being able to last a long time, and you wanna make sure that these guys do not have problems after their career is over. And certainly the league doesn't want that either Bill asks in interesting question. Do you think something needs to be done about the advantage teams have with no state income tax having to sign players? Obviously, Texas does not have a state tax Florida does not have estate taxes. The problem around sports. I'm not sure what you do about it because states tax or different. I mean, do you come up with a set number like a foundation number the kind of like working towards a cap situation where the money ends up being even that if I sign in Florida as opposed to signing in New York that has a very high state tax. Is there something leaked can do to balance that out? So there isn't an advantage to those teams. We haven't really seen it rear its its head yet. You've only got the one team in Texas with the Dallas Stars. I. Can't honestly say that they've taken advantage of it via free agency. Tampa and Florida are are the teams there the Panthers. So you really have only three teams to take advantage of that. But there are other state did they have state tax, but not quite as high as other places. I don't know how you balance that out, but probably be something to work on Christmas. Hi, Don as a follow up to yesterday regarding the possibility of Quin Ville, two the flyers when he took over the Blackhawks and tapes were about twenty Seabrook was Twenty-three Keith was twenty five you could say he's the right guy to mold young core into champions true. But they were established stars at the age that they were at. I mean, they're all high draft picks. They were all considered very very talented players by the time that they were the age that they were at. I'm not sure that Chicago was necessarily in a, but I can't say I'm not saying they Quinn Ville couldn't be involved in a rebuild. What I'm saying? Is that he is somebody that I think is perfect for the team. That's ready to win. Now. He's sixty years old. I'm not saying he can't coach until he's eighty don't get me wrong. But I'm sure would he want to be part of a reclamation project or would he wanna come into a team that he thinks that he can put the finishing touches on a championship almost immediately. So might even be up to him and the same with a layman y'all I'm not saying Lehman, you'll couldn't take over a young team in and mold them. He's still young enough. And obviously a very good coach. I just think that the team that would hire Joel Quenneville. Would hire him because they believed that they were really close to that championship. Evans says the devils break up their top line to create balanced scoring or should they wait to see if Markus Johannesson gets going? Well, that's the that's the case. I mean, they didn't have them last year because of the injury trying to get him going here. I'm loath to break up productive line because you robbing Peter to pay Paul right? I mean, you've got when you put those guys together they're productive and they score. But unfortunately, they can't play a sixty minute game. So you really are bereft of scoring in the forty plus minutes that they're not on the ice. But if you break them up you don't necessarily get the same production because the chemistry is working for them. I think it's going to be important for the devils to be able to develop chemistry with their other lines. And you just brought up a good guy, Markus. Johannesson certainly can be that guy to kinda mold everybody together. He needs to play better for sure. Five and a major says with Joel Quenneville gone that leaves ri- Randy Carlyle of the dachshund. John Cooper with the lightning is the only to head coach is still with the same teams out of those who lead their squads to the Stanley Cup final since the oh four zero five lockout, it's such a transient position coaching in the National Hockey League. And you look at the devils when they won three Stanley Cups. They won with three different coaches. Okay. John Todarello on a couple of four with the lightning got fired Sutter gets fired in Los Angeles. After winning two Stanley Cups. Quin Ville now gone after winning three Stanley Cups in Chicago. Barry trots, not fire, but decides to leave immediately after winning the Stanley Cup in Washington, very transient position. I think Randy Carlyle can be a little bit of trouble. I think John Cooper's fine. Because Cooper, certainly is a guy that has got the lightning exactly where they need to baby. You know, what two years from now a couple of failures in the postseason. He could be gone. It's an easy fix, right? The old saying is you can't get rid of twenty five players. It's easier. Just. Get rid of the one and in the case in the NHL twenty players, but it it is amazing. Just how you chew up and spit out, all these coaches. That's absolutely ridiculous. Jeff Dee says, first and foremost, I wanna say thank you for providing us with the best twenty-five thirty minutes every day with the show and second. What of the Rangers done or found to finally go on this four game win streak? It seems as though a fire has been lit somewhere. And they're finally clicking. Well, I would pump the brakes on a fire being lit. Okay. It. They had a great performance against San Jose. But they kind of have the sharks number when they're struggling early in the season. Their first win came against San Jose, the ducks not a great team. They struggled at times in that game. There were fortunate the wind in the shootout, especially after blown the lead in the third period. Okay. The two Wednesday have had at home have been good buffalo and Montreal they caught Montreal on the second back to back all of them saying is we've got to wait and see what this all means. Because I'll say this about. The rangers. They've played great games where they lost Calgary. Flames Nashville predators Buffalo Sabres the first time. They met them where they deserved a better fate. They've been some games right thought they didn't deserve to win and they still won. So eventually it's all going to even out in the end. I think the five hundred record is perfectly symbolizes what this team has been early on at seven seven and one. So let's see what they do. Now. This brief two game road trip to very winnable games against Detroit and Columbus, Columbus has been struggling the bit Detroit's been okay. But not great. So we'll see if they can continue this winning streak and continue to pile points together. But I wouldn't say that a fire has been lit. I loved what they did in the third period against Montreal continue to feed that Hayes has been better PR has been very good. Hank has been hanged pretty much all season long. So I'm a moth say that they're on fire right now. But they're certainly finding some consistency. They're finding their equilibrium. Exactly where they are. Right now. It takes more than fifteen games to know. But I think they're kinda close. A Michael says that game has conduct Malcolm was a. Call belonging in the NBA. That was ridiculous. Please don't say the rest were trying to keep the game under control. I'm not saying that at all. I was I believe in intentional head shot. When you look at it, unless I explained earlier in the podcast these players, they know what they're doing. And I think you just have to be a little bit stronger in these headshots I think it was the right call the five in a major I think it was the right call that it was a game as conduct. I think that just makes sense. But I understand that a lot of the older fans want to see the old rough and tumble days. But that doesn't exist anymore. There's a hit that head. It's got to be disciplined whether you whether it's in the game or beyond OJ's. Okay. So there's no suspension, but I can't say that it was OC running into them. I can't say that it wasn't intentional. I I do believe it was Victor says played sends played well last night. But what's wrong with the New Jersey? Devils was at the back to backs Corey just not up to the task or a lack of coaching. Two games on the road trip and the devils lost to nothing leads. No timeout called in either situation. So you're talking about obviously, the seven three lost auto and the three lost the Tampa two different goaltenders, by the way to cades started against Tampa Snyder ended up starting it's dot org. I went back and watched a lot of this game. And I will say this forty two shots on goal for the Ottawa Senators way too much, so we can blame the goaltending. All you want defensive coverage needs to improve second back to backs. Hey, we've seen it. Right. We saw it with Montreal blown the lead the other night. You're definitely going to be a bit deplete in the second back to back Pittsburgh to Ottawa. The not exactly that close to each other. They probably got in late, but you still shouldn't lose to the Ottawa Senators seven to three if you fancy yourself to be a playoff team. So Snyder is going to start winning games as far as not calling time out of to nothing. I'd have to have more of a feel of what was going on tap is a really good team. So they kind of overwhelmed him, some coaches don't believe in it. I cover the Rangers with Elaine Benigno. He didn't believe in time out saying he didn't think it was necessary. And especially now, you gotta be a little bit concerned because you use your time out. Now, you can't challenge so that factors in especially early. You're talking about blown first period leads. So if you'd call a time out in the first period. Then you don't have the ability to challenge a little bit later on. Now you look back at hindsight being twenty twenty lost the game eight three and seven three respectively. Yeah. You should use the time out coach doesn't know that at the time. So some coaches believe in them, some coaches, do not believe in them. So I'd have to think back in the history of John Heinz is whether he's a timeout guy or not it's a feel thing and unfortunately, two completely different sentences situations, I'm not surprised they blew the to nothing lead against Tampa is one of the best teams link. I was surprised they blew it against Ottawa as I said, it's a feel thing and the coach has a better feel than pretty much anybody in the building. So I will side on the coach there, although it did not work considering the fact they got blown out in both games. So we've got a slew of games tonight to go over. We've got our top five tomorrow. So the way we do the top five if you knew the game conduct is it's not who played the best that given week though. It'd be silly. Because not every plays the same amount of games. But it's who I believe the. Top five teams at that particular moment sold the rest of the season factors into certainly how you played recently factors in as well. So I'll give you the top five tomorrow. I'll be live from Detroit. I'm looking forward to that Little Caesars arena. Get ready for the Rangers and the Red Wings. So I'll be doing game is conduct from the road tomorrow from Detroit. So have my top five or go over all the games on Thursday is also pretty decent games on Friday as well, including the devil's trying to bounce back in Toronto against the Maple Leafs. As they go on a trip that will also take him the Winnipeg coming up on Sunday. So we'll go over all the games will have the top five. You want to send me your top five ahead of time at down the Greco hashtag gay misconduct. That's always the way that you can get in touch with me. We'll talk to you again tomorrow. This was the Thursday edition of game has conduct. Listen to gain misconduct podcast looking for more. 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Spittin' Chiclets Episode 123: Featuring Shane Doan

Spittin' Chiclets

1:52:56 hr | 2 years ago

Spittin' Chiclets Episode 123: Featuring Shane Doan

"Everybody. Welcome to episode one hundred twenty three of spit jecklin, presented by new Amsterdam vodka. Let's go around the table and say Hello to the gentlemen today. Let's kick it off with biz mix it up a little biz good morning right now. It's morning for us. Where you these days Arezzo on ten AM start time. We got a lot of stuff to talk about today, boys. Absolutely. Let's go to producer my Grinnell. What's up, brother? What's up, boys? I just wanna say quick dank. You Paul Ryan for defending my honor yesterday on barstool radio. I love you guys. I'd take a bullet for you. You know, RA would have had your back to. But. Hell, yeah. What of nod? You didn't get the nod on on the radio station. Yeah. We'll be getting to that very, Shirley. And let's say Hello to oddball. Final member party today. Ryan Whitney what's up with dog? What's up everyone? I got a little issue here with my audio on my microphone because I'm in shithole, New Jersey NHL network so bear with me everyone listening, but thanks for tuning in once again, at least your hotel rooms nice, though, beautiful hotel residents in Secaucus showed to Secaucus fuck and Red Lobster capital capital of the world, Red Lobster Chili's. Just every shithole restaurant. You can think of but they did leave you an ice gift though in the hotel room. Do they not? Yeah. We'll we'll we'll probably not mention that one right now. Now when you when you have that much coastline is no excuse to go to a Red Lobster anyways. Let's jump in the big story. Everybody's talking about the Uber. Uber controversy if you will obviously the auto senators took an Uber in Arizona. A couple of weeks back on them, the driver recorded the conversation, they had uploaded into the internet, basically, dirtbag maneuver, it's caused a major ripple effects with the team boys as former NHL plays it professionals. What happens the next day in the locker room when they come in. I know the the senators get tipped off about the video but wits say the next day like how much awkwardness is there with the coach the players. How does that play out in your scenario? Would you say, I can't even imagine it? I let me tell you something when I first saw that video I have horrible second hand embarrassment. It took me three times to watch the whole thing. I just Aw. Aw. Aw. Every line being said, I I was there. I actually talked to at least five former teammates, and we all said how bad we felt for those guys because that's life. Dude. You shit on your boss, you get in the car after a long day work, especially when your business businesses doing shit, which the Senate is are shuttled to me for betting on some every game. I forty one little did. I know it'd be this much of a dumpster fire. But that was not that was nothing away from the norm in pro sports and in life in work in general, and let me tell you something if you wanna hear a real rip fest, a real chirp best real absolute carving, fuck and camera in the coaches Uber because those fucking assholes shit on players just as much if not more than players give it to the coaches and the GM he gets in his car or his Brennan's sits on the coaches and the players. So that whole that whole thing what went down is normal. Having said that that sucked. I mean, if you're a Martin. And his name. Yeah. I mean. How do you go to the rink the next day? I mean, I I saw a picture with him into Shane at center ice is just like whole my God. Like, they know. It's just it's tough situation. And I feel really bad for the coach because I think coach know deep down they're getting shit on. But they don't necessarily have to hear it to every social media platform and enter internet website and the planet. I have more to say, I mean, I liked your tweet right away. Speaking of second hand embarrassment. I I haven't seen the video. I can't watch it. I will not watch and I refuse 'cause I like you said I would hear one line. And then I would shut I would shut the phone often. I'd have to do a loser lap. Just to collect my thoughts. I kinda wanted to just go over the overall the last eighteen months for the Ottawa centre organization as a whole well starting game seven overtime loss. We're going to bring it back a little bit. We're going to bring it back to losing game seven in the conference finals FYI Chris Kunitz scored for the Pittsburgh Penguins. Thought I bring that one up with balls. Three m very successful season. They overachieved overachieved Jesus came talk over cheesed. I don't think people expected them to go to the conference finals while they have an off season. They come back in the next year things that not start off the way they wanted to they end up trading four Shane and they give Colorado their unprotected first pick which could potentially be first overall seeing how things are going to unravel unprotected it's unprotected. So this could potentially be a first overall pick for for MAC, Shane who's an unbelievable player. But I mean, even before this incident, I didn't see him coming back. So basically a year and a half rental for potential I overall pick. So that could be catastrophic if they end up finishing dead last and get that first overall well that was in November of last season while fast forward a month. They're about to have their outdoor game. To celebrate the NHL hundred season the outdoor classic. Against the Canadians and Melnick makes comments about potentially moving the team. Well. Another PR nightmare for that staff, by the way, let's send them a new Amsterdam care package. Cresud's guys need a fucking pink Whitney if I ever seen it then they get the whole Melnik out. Hashtag thing going on Twitter. So the fan base obviously rattled by his comments. They finished second last in the league with sixty seven points. They get bent over a little bit. They only end up getting the fourth overall pick there. Then of course, whole Hoffman situation there basically forced to trade him away, somehow San Jose of winning the Georgia of that trade. They auto gets nothing really in return. They got they got rid of bog Kirk San Jose did off the salary often averaging twenty six goals over the past four seasons with Ottawa and they barkers a solid player. But he ain't putting up an average twenty six goals, then they have to trade away Carlson, which I think they did. Okay. All things considered in that trade. Some people were were livid about it. But I mean, I don't think the guy was coming back in. I mean price if he didn't get traded. He probably would have been in that over. Trail. Yeah. Trying to can't rolls around. And then the the owner Melnik and borrow Wicky. Have that video that comes out which everybody was just scratching their head this Barwick? He's just taking all the shrapnel this year. And then of course, they came back from suspension and literally got suspended seven minutes later like who'd. So so then they get over incident. And then they don't even make the guys who are in the answer the questions it borough borough, icky, or whatever I don't even how his name he ends up getting sent to the media questions out there to the end of the day. I just feel terrible for everybody involved, including every all the auto a fan base and the organization itself. You nailed it though. I I can imagine the coaches are saying just as bad if not worse inside their codeless way worse. I just want the league to do. Well, and that's why we talked to Grenell e about not releasing anything regarding the video just Spacey, the driver, we're not fucking t and z the one takeaway, I will get from all this is the mazing how how long it takes to build a franchise up to make them successful. And at the fucking Blinken of blink of an eye can be all gone, and it is it sad, man. All those Canadian fans, I want Canadian teams, it'd be successful. And and this has been a PR nightmare so shuttled to the PR staff and Ottawa with all the ship if I had to deal with RA, what are your thoughts? I think it's more embarrassing for the coach on the players go coach, right? Okay. And now are by eight guys in a cab. You know, cronyism is big all professional sports league offices. Now, this this coach he's been with Gabe Usha, and I think three separate stops. Now. Let's say there's validity to to the play criticism. I mean, if you know. He's not that great of a coach. Did you think I mean, not I don't think anything's gonna happen? But you think this might channel little bit of light on cronyism in front office. In other words, guys higher in their friends and buddies who even if there might be somebody maybe better qualified to do the job, you think this will have any sort of fact odd now because everything's just still the old boys network. I think that head coaches pretty for the most part decide their coaching staff, and you're gonna put the trust into or any head coach most of the time you're gonna give them the option of picking their systens. Now, we'll get into Chicago since since because they coined by taking as best friend says that that that's that's a couple of minutes. But you know, what I'm saying the old boys that work is in terms of head coach is getting hired. That's starting to change, by the way. But then it then it's up to those guys to bring in their staff, obviously Gibo shea and Marty Raymond get along. Well, I mean, I don't think that any of those guys in that cab were lying. I mean, they're probably sitting there in some meetings and things aren't changing. Their peak as clicking at a sixty percent rate. They're just giving up goal after goal after goal. Every time. They get a penalty guys like what was going on. I mean, I've been there. And like I said the coaches are sitting there saying what the fuck is this guy doing every ninety sucks just personal attack after skate after their skate. I rip on their skating rip on their skills. Ribbon the clothes they wear to the rink though situation. Just suck so much being put out in the public because Martin Raymond I don't know the guy he doesn't deserve that. I mean, not saying he doesn't deserve to get carved in a cab by his players 'cause that's life. He doesn't deserve for the whole world to see that sucks. And the players don't deserve to look like I is big ASO's. And everyone's saying, oh, they should be leaders Shane's leader shut up. He's in a cab with his buddy student. It's not like he's out in the public sane anything. I mean, it came out the public with that leaders can say whatever they want when they're at their best friends in their family on a road trip guys. Is a point I made to biz right after it happened biz called me. And I said, you know, do you think every time her Brooks players got in a cab after they had had a game ahead a practice that they spoke candid the him. You know, he's one of the most renown coaches in hockey history. So I mean, not every coach gets, you know, high praise from their players at all times. I'm sure most of these guys still love their coaches. No, no, no, coach Itai breeze. No coach. There's no coach there's a cab guys. I mean, I shouldn't say no very very very rarely as their taboo players in the middle of the season when they're like I love so. And so he's the best coach. How sweet was that today? When he blew the whistle after I went off sides in that drill. He's just great guy. Great mind. And all things considered boys. They're still five hundred right now. So I mean with that roster and no offense to the guy the guys in the team coming into the season. I don't think there was very high expectations. They've managed to stay five hundred. That's that's pretty impressive considering that lineup. So the devils on Tuesday night right after with down to maybe this is the catalyst. Maybe this this shook things up or they're gonna make a little run. Now. I I wish all those guys nothing about the best. Of course, we had Wiedeman on actually when he was in Arizona, and we interviewed him to Bank it for a later episode. We're probably gonna put that one on the shelf for for some time. Maybe have them back on talk about the situation. But yeah, just a shitty situation overall defiant. My final saying that a lot of former players who've gotten into coaching or the front office have said I cannot believe how these guys talk about players so players keep ripping your coats in the cabin. Don't feel bad. About it. Fuck them yet tobacco up which Grenell. Just sent us the quote from Paul Marie, and he said, you know, plays have said five more unkind things about coaches, and I can guarantee coaches have done the exact same thing to play on a daily basis marines actually looks like he had a little empathy for the plays. Whereas Babcock was basically like do bad. If you're if you're basically outside you house, you should have no expectation of privacy. This podcast. He knows what people say about him. I was just going to bring up Babcock. It's a, hey, he's one of the best coaches in the world and all the praise to him because he's extremely prepared. He knows the game. You can break it down better than anyone. But I mean, he'll he'll he'll win at all costs ain't making friends while doing it. Jackley? They're not in the dot. France in quickly before we move onto Joel Quenneville and that screw job. He got fucking porno. Shut up. You've never even paid any attention to this podcast in fucking three years. We've been doing two years and all of a sudden, you're mad at us. We didn't get a video out shut up minor business. Let us run spitting. Just like we have and keep just making money off as doing nothing some giving a shit leave us. We're building relationships with players. We don't need to be breaking stories Seraing guys because it's a viral video. I'll give a fuck. Yeah. I I don't I don't think we're TMZ. We wanna keep things positive. There's enough positive things to look at. He did say one thing on the on the on the radio show that I was laughing at I cut out. So I didn't hear it. I didn't respond to it. He goes biz softy lives in a marshmallow house with TOA walls. After defending Grenell. Because that's what we do. We stick up for our teammates lovable is I was listening to that. And I had no clue that, you know, basically, like he Grenell was debate whether posted on so when I was listening to that that was like fresh is daisy to me, I was like falling along from home. I was threw us on the bus quick. And I think he realized that butters grad. So spill I don't think that at all because everything that he would say to me via text, but what we should do regarding spitting chick. Let's we're transparent with our fans set it on the radio you guys set on the radio exactly what I said on rundown. I mean, this story came out and right away. I'm thinking we have a podcast where we try to put humor on current current events in the NHL. What what is what is this? What does this do for us? Okay. So Dave says, we'll listen you guys are trying to become bigger and bigger in the hockey world than those this huge viral video not only just in hockey, but the entire. People go to spit chiklis. And it's not there people are going to fit, and let's to see the video. They're going to see what we say about it, which is right now spot casts. So for me getting that video up quick that does not matter. One bids me, he's in a totally different world of breaking news. And and being first stories and things, and that's just not really what I'm into. I get no desire trying to be down Drager. Bobby Maccabi breaking news, especially when it's making players, look like dirt. And I'll tell you this. If that that Uber driver would send us the video. And so we could use it for free. I wouldn't fucked posted that not a fuck and chicken Dick's chance. He said that he's I wouldn't have posted at first. But once it was on the Ottawa centennial, whatever they have the auto post. I don't know son. What is? The blog up though, I had the blog up before like ninety eight percent of all hockey media. So we did get the blog up there. Pretty quickly way. RA would maybe know the answer. What do you think that Uber driver made money wise off Sal on that? How would Arellano that just because he's in the journal world. He probably ask these types of questions. Yeah. That's I mean, that's kinda straddles the journals line. I mean, I would say hopefully fatty Lil low five figures, I mean, you know, you're gonna if you're gonna throw fuck and all these people under the bus. I mean know, I would hope you've got at least ten granted in biz. I heard you mentioned on the radio yesterday. That are Joan is a one-party law and in Arizona, you only need one person to basic give permission to record another person, which is kind of weird because I know Massachusetts, it's legal to record another person without their permission. But apparently, that's not the case in Arizona. But I did read a little further in the law, and it was basically saying, well, if you know if there's an expectation of privacy, then is kind of gray area, and when you hire a private car, and you're in basically private property than than they did they had an expectation of privacy. And it was for sure violated. I so I knew that law before like when people were talking about it because I had a commercial deal go south because a one of the guys in it. Stole thirty K to my account. I record a conversation. Yeah. Bending over and then getting all my lawyer's fees. Covers fuck back. I I can't say his name 'cause we got like nondisclosures shit sign, but I got all my fucking money. Back boys. Only thing I'll those senators players for and I mean ship watt was in the cabin. That guy's gonna make about one hundred million. He's fucking nasty them Duchenne widens gonna make some Bank this summer. I think maybe get a black car guys over X. Minivan getting me know, how far fell. All about the senators posted a war. Posting the Uber advertisement. Only then have an Uber had ripping around the bowl of the arena. The next. On H on that work. We were saying they Uber excited to plan. They really needed to lift by getting the win. How how about her said that we'd see? That's a good live. On our pond Busu. I think that's I pronounce his name. He he tweeted he said, basically of all conversations all the and all the cities and all the teams it just happened to be fucking auto to get this leaked after the season of funny to two cabbies like played for auto on. Inning on then. Can you tell how well we're doing something? Speaking of another dumpster fire situation, a PR nightmare equival firing. Why don't you start off without one whit dough Quenneville is the second winningest hockey coach in the history of the game of hockey the end of the NHL the league we cover the National Hockey League biz works for team. I work for network now a big, and I'll tell you right now. He had had a rift with STAN Bowman for quite a while. They didn't they did not get along in the. Yeah. Five six years. Right. You say six, okay. Here's so that that's evident. And in the end stand woman's the one who's able to fire him. I mean, he's put in charge. But when you look at all this in when it really went south. And when this rift was almost I think made to be unfixable. That's word. It was when Aaron was traded. Yep. What horrible fucking trait horrible horrible trade. And I'll tell you enough. Patrick Kane, you that book and trade cost you a barstool chief wrote, this it costs you I think he wrote two hundred maybe three hundred career points because niece of Cain and Brennan was the best line in a league that year if not the best they were top three they were incredible. And then you go out, and you trade you want Brandon Saad back. That's nothing against Brennan. Saga Panara is this guy's gonna sign this summer, and the burst number it's going to be a ten per million per season. There's going to be end their one zero mine was four guy was born his his ten six more million nearly double mine he won't be sitting in Secaucus new residents in rubbers ranked hanging around the floor. Free trade, it Panara n- and from then it was I think, and then they fired they fired his best friend. I believe is names Mike kitchen, this is that it I believe so the journal on this, right? I want to get this. Right. And they didn't even let him know. All of a sudden, he was just let go, and this is someone who's. Yeah. My kitchen and won three Stanley Cups together. And I think at this point when this firing finally happened stand Bowman says I gotta try to save my job Barry Smith who's now. The assistant with Jeremy Carlton who I played against putting some in the minors little bit. And he he was up for over fifty games. I think in the NHL played I've talked to guys you said you knew right away is going to be a coach one of those players smart guy coached a team in Sweden for four years or thirty three years old. So he's been coaching for quite quite a while at his young age, but they hired Barry Smith whose Scotty Bowman 's best. Friend and right hand, man. Scotty Bowman is obviously stand Bowman's father, the legendary, you know, who I said Joe Ken was the second winningest coach in the NHL. Well, the winningest is skull. Scotty Bowman ripping around Montreal Detroit, Saint Louis winning games left. And right. So now, they got his boy coaching with Colloton embarrassment. Stand. Bowman running this whole ship. John McDonough who came over from the cubs. He's pretty much given STAN Bowman full rein to do it. Every once and it was the wrong decision. And if you had money on people being fired in the NHL Joel Quenneville wasn't the name because if you finish this season as the Blackhawks and you don't make the playoffs. Whatever makes him changes. But to try to move and big jolt windows, the issue right now is crazy to me crazy. Holy shit where that was a lot of great points thinking about it last night sixteen hundred and thirty six NHL games. Coach second only Scotty Bowman all time seven hundred ninety seven games. Coach for the Chicago. Blackhawks seven are six twenty seven winning percentage. He's got four hundred fifty two regular season wins. Seventy six postseason wins nine playoff appearances, three division titles. Three cups. Of course, probably some nervous head coaches right now, Randi call out like Jesus Christ. There's I would say there's about five or six coaches now because of that firing who probably before weren't considering they were going to get replaced that hey, this guy's a much wanted coach. He's got this year next year remaining on his eighteen million dollar deal. I believe the team ogm another. I think it would be another eight million. I believe from now on another trade that really upset him was the Johnson trade you said that. He was part of that that core group, and I was another one that they did. And then he was like, are you fucking kidding me? That's my boy. This is a guy who's helped me win before. And I believe is gonna help you win more moving forward. So it was a lot of like lot of little jabs lot little jabs sore towards coach q in a guy who's done a lot for those organization canes comments were very defensive of Quenneville people are saying it was a jab at Bowman. I don't know if I'd go that far saying that. But at the end of the day, boys. I I don't like this at all. It's a difficult situation. Because the guys who got them the job done for them and winning the three cups had to get paid. Oh, it was not responsible for those contracts. So I it's a tough position for STAN Bowman aband- because those guys as in. So I yelled could you imagine what your fan base going to do if you guys don't Inc. Guys heels. Magin like the uproar. So it's kind of a no win situation for him. But at the end of the day, it's his job to balance that salary cap. And and he he put them in a bit of a tough situation. And also fuck the parent trade that that one was catastrophic. So that's all I gotta say about that. Yeah. Definitely feels like in other firing somewhere else in the league is inevitable because opportunities like this for GM. Don't come don't come around often where you're able to bring in a bonafide hall of fame coach in. I mean Quenneville coach twenty two seasons in the NHL. I mean, you could pretty much make space for plaque already. So it, you know, is Philly gonna can't hack stall in all the fans would love to see that happening who are a three three o one one on that western swing? They're they're back on track. They that horrible loss at home six one to the islanders. But he is a name that has popped up. I put a few guys before him. Yeah. It's it's I feel like it's. Evitable that he's going to end up somewhere also toyed it we didn't. I don't know if we mentioned that they also fired former wheel as in his assistance. Kevin Dineen Samsa may also tossed eight hundred ninety Wednesdays actually three hundred fifty four behind Scotty Bowman. So it's not like he's he was going to break the record anytime soon. Just a few notes about the replacement, Jeremy call it. And I know you say coaching Sweden for a copy as he's going from Rockford to the thirty eighth coach in Blackhawks history. It's going to be interested at this guy. He seems like he might be a play goat cheese. Obviously young guys thirty three the youngest coach in the NHL is gonna make his debut, tonight and Carolina. It's going to be interesting to see man in. It's funny. All three teams, you know, from the king's Blackhawks Bruins those teams kinda dominate and seventy years ago. None of them have their coach anymore Julian when Ville in Sutter of all been shit Ken since since they won the Cup. What a joy saying Quenneville. I don't know him. I've never met him. I'd be surprised if hop right into the coaching game this year. I just feel like after what I mean, he's he doesn't need money. And for me, it make more sense that this summer. I mean, he's now one of the top you have as you talk about you players. He's the same exact thing this summer where he's going to basically have his pick. And you'd always gonna wanna go to a team Nick and win is set up to win has the he's gonna write is basically going to say what he wants to be paid. They're going to pay him. I mean, bad clockwise seven million a year Quinn. Bill Lisi get that. I I think he's six six and a half million, maybe sixty five okay. So say Quenneville Gwendolyn gonna get seventy million. He wants it. So I would be kinda surprised if you hops back having said that Julian was over in Montreal on about ten days. So we'll see what happens moving, but there's definitely some hot seats getting a little bit warmer RA before we throw. It back to you to finish off your point. Josh Cooper who works part time with the F Roddick does some work with the LA kings made a great point in whip to touch on what you said about being a unrestricted free agent in the coaches, sometimes of the most important pieces look at what berry trots down with the islanders. So far everybody thought they were gonna be dog shit coming in and he's turned that around. And and you know, sometimes, you know, when when you take a team, and you and you give them a coach that's qualified as Quin vol-. He can whip them in shape, pretty quick. So I'd imagine that he'd probably depending pissed off is and how quick he wants to jump back into showed up their ass. He may just sit back and say, you know, what I'm going to wait. And then get a fucking big ticket this summer. Yeah. Exactly. He's getting paid. In the meantime, and the only other point I was gonna say biz friend of the program, Jeff, Merrick he actually tweeted at Sunday before Gwen Volga fight. He said, basically when when it comes right down to every coaches an interim coach. You know, you basically you every every guy's gonna get. He ended some point not everyone's gonna win three cups like cou NHL. We even mentioned the legend. We have on this podcast. Oh, no. I mean, that's going to say there's so much going on in the NHL. We're going to be very happy to bring to you business. Former teammate and one of the best guys you'll ever meet in Shane dome. So I dunno busy wanna go to them. Now. Or are we why don't we just throw it over to give a quick little word about donor before we just send it over to a hell of an interview. One of the best team in beings I've ever met unbelievable leader quick back story. One of I think it was my first year with the team, you know, obviously, the media coverage at that time wasn't massive in Arizona. But nonetheless, still some pressure internally to win with team was doing great. I think he'd gone like fifteen or twenty games without a goal in his role had been diminished a little bit. Like, I think that he was off the power play towards the end of that when he was struggling to score. But the team is doing well, he didn't say fuck and Bouche it never salt. He always put it on himself inside. You'll I gotta be better. I'm sorry. I'm letting you guys down never like on the fuck and powerplay just just like the most selfless guy, and that was my first year there, and I'm like man, this is why this guy has such a good reputation. He's fucking team. First unbelievable person all the accountability in the world. And I had the pleasure to pay with them. I love Aves. When as made a comment that he was one of the most overrated players. I I was not happy about that one. And you know, I I don't I don't agree with everything that say I'd say one of the most underrated. And he was one of those guys that people criticized for not trying to go somewhere else in win. He tried to change the culture in Arizona. And when I first got here he did just out. We may playoffs for years in a row in that third year, we went to the conference finals and not even just the on ice shit. The off ice stuff is what I remember the most about donor, and I'm looking forward to presenting to you guys this interview. This interview is brought to you by keeps. Maybe not as you have a little less here than you used to. But you're not sure if there's a real solution that thing is there to clinically proven medications that let you keep your hair. And now, they're inexpensive and easy to get folks. It's too late to me. But guys out there, you might be losing a little bit up top. 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They have on. Thanks. Appreciate it. First of all your Milwaukee. Why are you in Milwaukee right now? All we go to big tournament coming up this weekend. Oh, coach high coach the sixteen. I help coach you sixteen boys team here in Arizona. So we got a pretty good team. And we're open starting three can get going. Why I should ask you. How's development now AirAsia ever since? Matthew's broken leave is it is caliber of play. You gotta think it's elevating with all these ex NHL hours coaching and training their kids. Oh, for sure it's made a huge difference. What the biggest differences is that? He gives kind of the boys think credibility because it's the question that everyone asks like we'll house a hockey in Arizona a year in the desert, and that's not really, you know, a place that you think of ice when he come down there. And when the boys just have the -bility say one of our one of our guys one of the kids have played in Arizona, one of the boys. Played for the junior coyotes is. Is one of the premier players jail. It just kind of give credibility to the boys. And I think it makes them feel just better both with the doing, and and it's fun. It's fun for them to kind of have come on that he comes in scape in the summer with fuel. And he's awesome. He's an amazing guy and the boys all of them. And it's pretty cool. It's funny. We talked to him recently. And I asked them like being from Boston. There was so many local guys from around here that made the HI could look up to. And you know, you're from L Burruss nine thousand guys in the NHL. What are him? It was you know, he didn't seem to care or even think about it. But he never had one guy locally to be like, oh, he's from here did it. And now these kids do, and it just it makes the dreamlike more realistic. I would say even two kids that are twelve and thirteen years old. Aw hundred percent. That's I think it's one of the best parts about being an arid Shona out to and for the boys. I know it seems obvious him bias because my son's here. And everything, but they get to be around NHL guys all the time like biz in the dress is in the Reno I'm in the renew. There's guys played that are playing right now for the code all seem to be in the Istan or or in one of the renowned. So the voice seem to always run into them and see them because there's not a lot of places in the valley that the guys kind of go if you're going to get ice. So if you go to the Rena summer, you might run into Austin Matthews, you might run into you know, L or one of the guys next only whatever whoever the guys are that were spending time there at the time. So it was cool. Janu played twenty one seasons. The NHL at the same franchise. Winnipeg. Phoenix Arizona, I think a lot of people forget you actually did spend that first year in Winnipeg. And now someone will legendary some legendary legends on that squad yet, you know, tame loose Alani who was traded later in the the big wall. Ca Chuck probably the most one of the maybe the most underrated defense of his generation temple Newman Nikolai hobby Bowen, what was it like playing what that team in your rookie season all those characters? Oh my gosh. It was unbelievable at Alexa, jam not to who was at the time. Was unbelievable. Like, we ended up trading him the following year for Jeremy Roenick, but Archie was or Alexa. Gem was an unbelievable player. I like I think like if you talked to Keith into couple and detained at the time they thought he was our best player. He had the he was just unbelievable men had like, Dave Mant, Charlie. And I it was it was such a incredible group to kind of come into the league with and it would they were unbelievable to me in Waltham. I heard it when he was on this show. So it's pretty cool donor case we told that story, and he wouldn't he wouldn't get into it to tell himself. He confirmed it about the night where they had that trip plan to Vegas because you guys had a couple days off and the game was gonna go in overtime because tied up late and everyone was like Faulk. We're gonna miss our flight because they were flying commercial and. Goes boys. Dory. I got us anyone out there the next shift and just fucking put the team on his back and scored and apparently he beat fifteen thousand people out of the rank that ninety one fucking. View or anything. They had a little bit of fun and the other. I mean, if he didn't confirm it, I I with it. So. That group or when we got to Zona there was like Keith who is unknown amazing guy. And but as rash and as big of a personality ever, meet Jeremy Roenick who obviously der styles of the very similar talk who now of issues a coach in his personality to than like, it was unbelievable. The group that we had there, and they had so much fun. And they enjoyed playing the game for sure do. Go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead my bed. No, go ahead. Awesome. I was just going to ask you to help the other stars. And the team the fact that jar was around to take a lot of the spotlight away from him. Yeah. For sure carry love fought light that he was so 'cause we didn't get them till like end of October. We had Craig Janney too. So we had to wall plate with CJ that year. And then we have they are playing humans. This might have been might Gartner era. So we had enough guys that we had a really good team. And we had some guys could scores all fame guys that were were unbelievable as a young guy was it was pretty intimidating so donor you your rookie year. You know, it was with Winnipeg Jets. That year how far into the year when did it come out that the team was moving the following season. And how weird was it to play out a year? I mean, I remember seeing a documentary on the Cleveland Browns when they all knew they're going to Baltimore was just like bizarro world. Like, did you guys know in the room? I don't even know the timing there. Yeah. No. We didn't know we didn't know where we are going the whole year but rebel ill. Yeah. We knew we were going. They told all the fans the year before that we were going to that we relieve in, and they all had this big party in this big celebration. And then just kidding. We're coming back, and then which obviously made so hard on the fans at year. And they were all mad because it was a riot. Because the fans are they were all pissed off that we were saying we're leaving then we're coming. Then we're leaving Eddie Olczyk had a big out schedule TI to hit a big they had this big party down in downtown Winnipeg yelp but he's bringing the Cup back to Winnipeg. Flee win the Cup bringing it back to what a big. And it was it was fun. Like, we had a great group of guys and. But yeah, we didn't know where we're going, but we knew were leaving. And we were told it was going to be Minnesota from everything that we are told who's going to be many, and then right up the all star break, we came down as a team tears ONA foolish all down on a charter the first charter ever been on. So they started a plane for us all wheel came downstairs on a- to check it out. And we are all holy cow. Unbelievable. And the crowd. There was amazing. And it was minus minus thirty three when we got on the plane and Winnipeg since middle January it was plus seventy six or seventy seven when we landed in Phoenix a hundred six degree temperature change. And then. Yeah, it was it was it was tough to leave because I'm from western Canada. But same time it was happening. No matter what you just kind of dealt with it. Jane, take a look at early in your career. You know, he looked like it might struggle. Switch scoring wise. First couple of seasons was a little. Trying to light. Was there a light of something out turned on after that foot season? Because you went from six goals to twenty-six. You never looked back. I think it was nine street the miners. He caught the other. You know, what happened actually got sick to the binders of four into the third year? I had actually unbelievable training camp. And then I played two years in the NHL, and I was one game short of a plane in my hundred sixty of game, and they sent me to the miners because if I played my next game is on a one way contract, and I didn't have any idea. I'm in fort and I'm dressed heading onto the ice in Florida and Jim Schoenfeld called man's. Okay. I think he just got traded. I'm not allowed to play tonight. I'm like, oh, okay. So go back to the room. I'm like halfway hallway come back into the room and taking gear off the guys come in. And. They're asking what I have no idea and turns out if I played that game on a one week. So then they sent me to the miners for thirty three games and just left me there and I'd been like hick in in training camp. Actually. Thirty nine games. Yeah. Don't try to make it sound was from the Springfield mass. How I had an apartment in Arizona because I've been there for two years, and then I had so then I got an apartment they said all you stay in the team apartment down in Springfield. And I was like, oh, okay. And they were like, oh, you're not going to keep here for a little bit there for thirty nine games. And then they said will you just keep paying for your -partment in in Arizona, and we'll pay for your -partment, Springfield. What that's not right here. You have to pay for my of their though to pay for the carpets spring. On dollars. At scottsville. The Springfield addition. Guys, I used to live in an apartment in in Scottsdale while I was playing for the oats in my first three years. Everything bills include I was under a thousand bucks in the NHL. Fun of me. He said yes wouldn't drop me off because he's like I don't wanna get shot because he thought it was like. Tired of of I I live in Scottsdale. And he's like, man, no way, you're and undergrad. I'm not going anywhere near there. Hey donor jelly. Going. I need to like ask a so when you're living in Phoenix. And you realize you know, there's so much to do. And you're you're loving that party or life. But the fans what they were in. Winnipeg was that hard at the beginning was like, oh my God. Or at the beginning. Was that the or the fans incredible? I always wished that the stadium had been put in scottdale actually heard a story. There was a picture you break in the dirt fair, Scottsdale or yeah. Oh, yeah. But I got tough with. Not a great fan fan base in a what at the beginning. And Phoenix it was unreal. And I'm not even joking. Like, I think we sold out. We you couldn't even we solo twenty six of our first forty games. And and now downtown it was including out town. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They would sell it. Every game donor. Correct me if I'm wrong, apparently the most attractive girls in the league in the lower bowl were in the downtown. I mean, Chris that's a tough question. But just use a code word or something. Do you? Bachchan? Pretty good information usually on on women. What the all eighty for that comment? We're. Network clear clear. Say that the sons used the plan was at that arena. Yep. Yeah. It was America wet, but you know, what? And and wet snow was hard. And because what we've done to the fans in Winnipeg my first year like we told them we were leaving we call them. We're coming. We average like nine thousand people or ninety eight hundred people that you're in Winnipeg because somebody told them we're leaving. Then then we're coming back, then we're leaving again. And I don't rooting like donor. That's the misconception that you've told me to a lot of people know the history about this is like they weren't selling their last year. Like things weren't going. Great and the dollar was getting smoked. So there was a lot of reasons they moved and they'll corporate dollars will. Will more to do for me. My experience was more because we told them we were leaving. And then they knew and then we ended up coming back. So then it's hard to sell season. Tickets told everyone you're leaving. And then you come back, and now they know for sure only for one year, and then it's hard to kind of why the corporation would you keep putting money like if you're a corporate dollars? Why are you going to keep putting money into something that everyone knows leaving? It was like it was a really it was a tough situation in Winnipeg. So when we came their own ah, it was sold out all the time. It was packed the White House. We had the white out against Anaheim that first year. It was like amazing like, and there was it was it was a we had an absolute blast. I mean, it was everything was going. Well, and then obviously, it was you know, it was a tough decision to end up. Move in the team so far away from like moving the team out of the city that they were in two when you moved to Glendale, quite a ways away on a DUI laws. I mean, the put in prison for fuck and six years, beginning get a DUI. Oh, so. Driving the game. Yeah. And it's a way ways what the same if we win like when we are winning biz. We we were doing fine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a it's a misconception on that. It just got to win. You can't think why would anyone come out support? Something airs Ona's they can have been town because there's so many big events that happen in the town. And if your team isn't like something that people are going to get excited about they're not going to spend their money on because they're going to go either to the football team baseball basketball. So have all that. But then they have the Phoenix Open. They have the Super Bowl they'll have to NASCAR events still have the Barrett Jackson. They have all these different events constantly going on in the state because it's all it's so nice to spend the winter down there. So if you know winning they're not gonna come around. But when we were winning early on it was it was good. And then when Biswas area it was really good. Going. It's between biz. And you was winning tried to throw that in there for a ball. I showed up at the raise. Locker areas we have such good such good teams combination me the check mafia four Czech team. So he's calling the check mob. Way. I got the story you coming in on the first first little bit. All right. Yes donor. This is we come. Picked up you picked up on waivers, right? Traded cars. Don't I picked up off waivers? Yeah. Deli who is this guy? Yeah. No. So we come in. And biz hasn't played a game yet in the like in our on our team, and I'm the cap in. And I've been there for a little while and comes in and I hate going on. I hate going on the on the table in the medical room. I would never go on it. The nice table coming out at trinity. Yeah. On the massage table, and I come out of the training camp. I hurt my back somehow and my back was really tight. And so I'm laying on that. We finished the first game in LA, it staple center. And I haven't really talked too busy. I'd like you just got picked up before the first like was a beginning of October. Right. Oh, yeah. What time you just talked? We just talk like once or twice, and I'm laying on the on the table. I'm grumpy that among the massage table because I hate being in there and biz walks. Aw, doping deal on the table already. Hey. And everyone in the room. Turn out him are trader wanted to kill the hate is going on there. I was really. Yeah. I couldn't believe it. I again, Dan's in feds goes this guy is going to be here week. After I said that this guy's gone a week. Way. Then menu ended up going to member we had pre game like two or three games later week later old planning. Yes. And you're like crushed. I was I I wasn't having a good time, everyone, we're cutting. Billy as it around was warm. Yup. I was talking with Billie Jean warm up. And I knew I wasn't planned. So I was at the red line and fucking the even said came over and chin tapped me like I think a lot of guys on the team noticed that were like, oh, maybe this guy is not that big of a piece of shit. And then from then on at all. This guy still fucking here. Yup. Oh, I wanna I was gonna change speeds and get away from you shitting on me right now, you had some pretty good stories about all the pranks that were going on in Phoenix during the glory days with all the older guys. Yeah. I want to hear about a couple of these some of these are like happened nowadays get kicked off the team for bullying. Right. Yeah. I would scared. So I had to walk in in America West arena. We have this long narrow dressing room night up to walk. I was down by the goal is to walk down to two through all the guys to get to the bathroom at the other end of the rain at the other end of the dressing and instead of walking through there. I would go out our exit of our dressing room out into where the public would walk walk around the outside of the door and come back in the other end of the dressing room. So that I could go to them because I did not wanna walk by like wall. JR talk. Manso dally Drake whitening all guys of Chirps. Yeah. It was like it was your you couldn't handle it. Like, you just were like so beat up by the time. They get there. You just was so embarrassing. You would walk out amongst the public. I'd be walking into my full you like in my peer walking with my skates on out in the public and back into another end people wouldn't know a new I was, but they'd be like, hey, there's a guy. He's take. He's taking the serious talking getting ready for the game thing. Whoa. When when when the jets named gut recycled for another franchise, wouldn't like, what did you think of that guy used the play fall like that even bother even body would all even Keira? I thought so cool like I think that obviously the fans in Winnipeg, and we're still pump. The only people that I really feel for is like the guy that played in Atlanta. The guys that played what I feared my whole life not on my whole life. But my career is that one in all seriousness like Iliad Koba, Chuck, and he Slater, there's a whole bunch of guys that played in in Atlanta and all of those years in Atlanta in a race because most people assume that jazz on ours from us when the plate word. Anything when the plate word about it like all the records for the coyotes, and they're like all like ticket or leave it, and I'm like who the fuck cares. We're talking about stats like chill out because it's a franchise record not a city record. Yeah. And that one I love the fact that the jets are back. I think it's so cool the fans they're like that's an unbelievable building to play off. Ken, those fans are awesome. You Hugo into that building. So fun to play there. Because the in the early on when they booed the captain every time you touch the pock. It was that was I love that. They were actually cheered for me the first time well from people. I was passed. I was up in the press, obviously. And I'm expecting everyone would be like give them like a standing. Oh. And I hear the boos. No, there's no way and always kind of like a big I I went on about it. But people said it was friendly booze like kind of job power donor. Yeah. And that was here at the very first time when they said my name on the came. I'm not pay more there and anyone that had played for the jets. They gave him a a like, they cheered for you. But then they booed the captain of every team, which was a cool. I thought that was a cool. I know the kind of coping so what awesome? I love that. I feel so bad like Ilia Kulik Chuck's. They were talking about the last player score fifty goals for the Winnipeg Jets, and they were saying well, keep ca- Chuck, and I'm like, no, he's he scored for us. The last player to score fifty goals for the Winnipeg Jets now would be Ilia cool took you know, what I mean like not. Where I'm like, right me. I'm like that. Yeah. There it'd be different. 'cause TSN every time do a graphic. They always say like teams who play in Winnipeg named the jet. They have to specify because there was no AHL version. I think it was like a version back in the forties to the original Winnipeg Jets because obviously there was. Yeah. Very it's obviously a huge name up there say like even like with Patrick line and stuff like he's unbelievable may wanna compare them to pay more. And I'm like, that's awesome. But then he was unbelievable and scored fifty goals as a young kid for Atlanta that do you know what I mean? Like, I think proud of hockey that they dislike all I don't blame. They just want a piece of it. All whatever I exactly because it's it is it's a separate franchise. And you kinda almost assigning it to another a hole of the franchise when they really have nothing to do with each other. I know I know exactly what you coming from. And then for me, what makes it personal. Then you almost forget it. Anyway, and Elliott Kovalchuk and all of those guys because called the Armstrong Bill. Yeah. Yeah. He's a great. But for me, I'm afraid of that like I was afraid of that all the time when they're talking about the coyotes movement. I'm like, holy man. I just forget about the guy's whole career the played in that city. Get on donor. Hold the record of like would Jim MacKenzie had the biggest caulk and Winnipeg Jets history or Phoenix coming out. He tire. League for the league Lee confirmation, even we tend it's caulk talk a little bit. And we were going to kind of in the conversation came up 'cause you play with them in both places. Now is the rumor true is this guy have the hugest weapon of all time. Okay. Okay. I'll give you my story Jimmy MacKenzie. Iveco? I'm eighteen years old. We picked him up from the islanders. We and I'm walking out of the dressing of Winnipeg. And they're he's showering was we're walking out. I look into the shower. And it's only him the shower and I get startled like I'm like what the what was that? Go. I walked by the shower as I'm heading. I'm eighteen I don't say to anybody. I'm not talking I'm smiling. And on the whole time. I walked pasta shower stop. I wait for like fifteen twenty seconds. I turn around walk back into the dress. You're just because I'm like split the heck what's that? And as I walked back into the dressing room. I'm like all cow. What is that paying into the I get into the dressing of now, I have to wait like three minutes walk right by Ganal only going to see that. I'm walking back and forth on the bird-watching going by the shower. And I'm like, oh my gosh. I'm going to sit here for a little bit. And I it is the mazing, and that's. Ghost? Crazy what a good one of the best guys too. But it is up salute laminates one of those things that everyone talks about. You come my attention earlier saying that it was the first charter plane you'd bet on down to Arizona all star break in Winnipeg. So that means you one of the guys that that experienced the NHL with non chartering jets taking commercial airline morning, and it's so amazing to me because the best part of the NHL is the private jets, and the fact that you guys would play. And then would it would it happen with the next morning? You take the first flight out of Boston and get stuck like in the middle seat next. The dude who brings fuck and Chinese food and top wear onto planes stinks up the whole role like her would you all be together? All yeah. No. You were you were stuck in the middle road specially young guy. And and we had a connection because they're still direct flights into Winnipeg. The only only international flight into Winnipeg was through Minnesota who didn't have an NHL team. And I spent more time in the. Minnesota airport that year I spent anywhere else in vote by far. Single. With delays flights delays teams never battled like being late two games. Or I just can't imagine the actual what deals with to go through commercial traveling. It's terrible and your NHL club. Oh, and you so we would go we would play. Sometimes if you couldn't get like he would never have a game back to back. If it was a long flight like if you had a connecting flight like we would go to LA, and then you'd play LA twice back to back like you play them on like Tuesday, and then again on Thursday, and then and then we'd come back home, which was which was great guide love that two more time. In a city that made it a little bit better too. And you never ever flew out after a game. Like you've stayed every night. Like every night you stayed in that city, and then you'd fly out the next day. Oh, so that's why. And donor one of the funnier stories heard, I don't know if it was you told me this, but because they would fly on on commercial flights if they would have like a practice, and they fly on after the, you know, sometimes you bring in your your luggage and your carry on's and guys would put dildos wrapped in foil. In the autumn of the guys day when you're going through security. They wouldn't they wouldn't have any metal metal in there. They didn't pack it right didn't pack. No foil dildo in there. So then all of a sudden alarm, and they're like Sirs, this yours. He's hanging. He's fucking handling. A big rubber dildos have chuckle. Oh, yeah. We'll security was like totally different like security. Now you getting so much trouble. If you goof around in how fun, but then security was like excuse me, sir. Like, it was guys. Yeah. They totally do that rap stuff up and tin foil, and then show up on the screen, and you could see on the person's face when you'd be going through the screen at the there'd be like stared at you guys would be like, oh, what's it someone to let someone suck something guys steal the trainers or the their phones like the big desk phones. So we before we leave we go on commercial play. They still like the big desk phone that has like everyone's number on it. I mean, it's different now where you can type in its computerized. But the old desk phones were like two feet by two feet, and they're really expensive and it stick them in the bottom of your bag, and then you'd be going through, and then you'd have to carry the stupid thing around on the seven day road trip in the bottom of your. Ever. Threw up to playing the stew. Like that all the time for stupid pranks. You guys had died. There was one particular in Phoenix and tell the people with the powder that turned purple whatever. So this is crazy. So I come into the rink. And I've seen after practice. I go to take my jock off. And I have the purple people eater going like full bore like someone dip something in purple pain. All my junk in purple paint guys purple as you could possibly get. I'm like, oh my gosh. What the heck is that? So I'm kind of panic mode trying to figure out what's going on. And I'm like going around who's. What does I go ahead? For reasons. So the I I'm kind of trying to figure out what's going on. And I'm like someone has as kind of figure I'm kind of did it to me. So I don't let anybody see I wait until it like, everyone leaves, and then I come on into the trainer's room with no with no calls on. And they are how and laughing at me. It is it's a might dick as purple as you could possibly get it like it was ridiculous. And I'm like, and they're like in tears laughing ever glavin. So for the neck, it doesn't leave it won't ever leave. I actually tried to it. It's not wait for like five or six days. And didn't didn't somebody else get tricked? And then that person to get the person who obviously got him back. He was never gonna find out who he put in everybody else's gear on the up. And then if he doesn't he? Yeah, he does it to everybody. But I'm out on the ice now, and I mail come out and everyone hands or purple this is like three weeks later, and they're like shoulder your hands. Every everyone comes out on the ice show me your hands. And I'd take my gloves off with my hands. I got no purple on my hand. And they're like cooking every single person on the team, including the person that did it has purple on their hands like they frame Kotor. Yeah. But they they put in way too much. 'cause when they put it in mind, they didn't think it worked. So then they only put they put in like to scoop foles everyone's gloves. Everyone's banging it out. And it's spreading like in the air. It's like a fine mist that the money to catch people that are stealing money, and it turned the whole room purple like, everyone jersey. Dad, everybody the Team New equipment. Thousand dollar prank or whatever get your call. Yeah. They had everybody brand new equipment because this stuff is it stains, everything kind of powder was it like xactly. So you put it on money, and the catch people that are skimming off of like if you're stemming off upon at restaurants and stuff, and they say that when you when you're stealing most people sweat a little bit. And soon as you get any moisture on it. It turns whatever it's touching purple. And it's not like it's not like, there's a hint the purple. It's like spray painted like ours purple. Jim McKenna, and it doesn't Arnie. Yeah. Double-leg? I was a trainer and he was fuel losing it had to replace all the rugs. Hey, and then rookies for the next three years got all all the gear like two or three years that you up and all of a sudden there had come out their heads. It'd be purple because some of the club tried to reuse them and stuff. It was. It was pretty good crew. Thought he'd never met him four years that will. Getting to. Yeah. Yeah. Todd sympathy. Then okay. We gotta get him on the. Oh my goodness. He's unreal. He he's everyone's car, keys and mail keys. You got picked up on waivers by Anaheim went in while everyone was out on the ice took everyone's car keys off their car off their FOX, and then took all their mail keys in house keys, shook them all up in a big bag like all over all over the floor in the middle of the dressing room. When we walked in. There's keys everywhere guiding the rest of the year. Yeah, he was gone. He was picked. So guys guys had to. Try three keys it wouldn't work. They'd bring it back. They said, yeah, he's our mind cause like, obviously, not everyone's going to go home together when lease at different times. So it took everyone like half the year to finally get their set of keys back, and I don't even know garage door opener is a big thing back then. Oh, huge. Well, yeah. Like it was played when five rice, I don't know if I had rise. With the guys took never get their male the rest of the year, like their male, keys and stuff. Like screw. I'm done. I'm not even trying any more. They're getting battled for Todd donor played before the internet. Yeah. On for donors like I six season you'd find out who's leading the league in six weeks of the season. Carrie? Keep going with the jokes. Don't. Wasn't. What was the one? Was it in Phoenix with the popcorn one? When they filled the car. Yeah. Tell that one out on. Yeah. They they opened up the rule and fills the car they opened up the roof and fill to car and the down days new new go Brad bay, and but the oil off corn instead of butter popcorn. And it ruined. Fucking bussing. Ten cape. Pranks men on a minimum. Hey, I came home. I came home one time and someone it was taught Simpson again, he's taken my windshield. Bearded in vassal ING, and then went to a barber shop and bought a bag of human hair and dumped it on my car. So that when you turn your windshield wiper on all the does smeared everywhere, and then I had to go to the gas station. He couldn't see anything on my windshield. So I've driving to the gas station with my head out the window get to the gas station, and then you're scraping human hair off your car. Comes up. He's like, hey, what's going on here? Your car. Nothing. Nothing. I don't know. Liz hit somebody. Yeah. It's like two thirty in the morning. Oh, jeez. Javed's tricks man when you when you cost the guy five five grand, that's pretty savage recently, all of recommend Larssen gets the see I think waiting a little bit to kind of, you know, show, you a little respect, you know, might have been the play. But finally, they give it to the guy who obviously deserves it. Just your thoughts. Yeah. I mean, he's he's an unbelievable guy. Great player. He's a guy that kind of in my mind. It was it. I mean, I kind of thought it was always going to be him. I thought that they should've kept and keep out jelly around for a couple more years. A little all of our kind of what it's like to kind of have someone like ends around. But then have all of our kind of takeovers. That's pretty cool. And he deserves it. He's he's our best player offense. I think he's our best player defensively. I think he's just I think he's a special talent. And. Any wants to be there? I mean, he just signed eight more years and wants to be there, and that's pretty special. You don't find guys like him too often count them leave? And I think he's gonna do an unbelievable job as a captain. And I'm so happy and excited for it. It's pretty cool. So you brought up one of my best friends in the the the guy who's told me, you know, me about you. And how good of a a leader and a friend. You oh is is Keith Yandell. So he's pretty much giving you a lot of credit in terms of helping him become the not just a player is in the professionally as but kind of the person he is. And so take me back to when you met him. Because at the beginning Keith always had a little wild side, really not giving a fuck side. And I think you've got to. Taught him what it took. You know, what it takes to be a real prosecco into that a little bit for me. You know, what he the first the first time ever met yet? I was like who is this kid. Are you kidding me? Like, I keep I talked with wall. And what was hey, I got a I don't think they're cutting their clothes. Maybe there. I know that their families are rob the Bank together. Exactly. Story. Fayette in liberty in Boston with. Yeah. We're yeah. Yeah. Does alkyl come in. And we're sitting there. The law bid is looking around. And and the ads goes television just said to me, and he's like a man the place your change the last time I was in here. What? To jail off. No. Takeouts uncle Keith got an uncle he's done Cape Cod. The in any sick. Oh, my God is a lot of Massachusetts license plates down here in the. Massachusetts, jay. But on when you met him. I mean, what it won't say just just look for them. Yeah. I look take care of them. So we get we re end up going to San Antonio. Or in San Antonio and half the team goes onto Dallas and half. The team stays in San Antonio. They're kind of doing a split squad thing and jelly or Yance is there and he's he's nineteen because he didn't get trapped it as an eighteen year old after the nineteen year old. And so he's anyways, I'm again, we're all beaten as a team come to this spot or watch the game. 'cause they're gonna only place in San Antonio. We could get it on TV. So we're going to watch the game and the guys sitting down at the table inside where like aren't grill area and the guys. Okay. They won't let end into the into the restaurant what he talking about. So I walk out there, and I'm like. Nineteen but I'm like already talked to the manager and they're gonna let everyone come in. And he can hardly stand up. And it's like six o'clock at night. We've all fire selves, and he can't. And I'm like what who who does this the nineteen year old in a city by themselves. I'm like holy cow. Anyway, so him, and I had a little Tich out about that. Hey, this go home got to figure this out. And anyways went back to the hotel about year. He was a little bit wild. And then the following year. He came back, and he was like a totally different guy. He was unbelievable and they sent him to the minors and made them raw in the Byner for year should have been the whole year with us. But I think they wanted to make them like he'd burn some bridges the first year, and then they made them work for it. And then he came up, and I I have had mazing teammates in my in my career. And I am. I go out to save the as might be my favorite. He the guy said that and and not like I got knocked out by was news on night. I got hit middle Pero Cy fought peril. Next shift was going to ask you that was the hardest. I've never seen you hit like that. No joke. I've never walked over. He hide on the button. I went on. Yeah. And I'm trying to get up and I fall back down, and I try to get up and I fall back down, and I can't see what's going on. And all of a sudden it kinda I'm starting to get my bearings. And trying to I'm out I was out on the ice for both three or four seconds. And I kind of get my bearings. And I see end getting up from being in a fight yet with fine in there and fight was who was wiz who was actually really tough. Very very tough through both hands. Really? Well and Yan's wasn't like he was a young kid. And he was a skilled offense of the fence men. I was blown away that and I mean him, and I got along pretty good, and I really liked them. But I was I mean that I think he's an unbelievable guy just because of that. But because of all the other things he has to. But that was so impressive to me. Because that's I take a lot to for a guy to go jumping in there to fight someone that's tossed and he didn't have to. I mean by any means. I was I was going to be okay and take care of myself. But I don't know that was just kind of a tip of the iceberg. What type of guy wasn't it as a as a man and as daddy's unreal fun. But anyways, hit him and biz I had so much fun with two of them, which is fine. All you had fun listening to him rip on me for five bucks. Is is how big heaves to began used to be like two hundred twenty pound. There's a his places a fat shit. And then he must've went on one a diet plan figure it out to eighteen when he got drafted. Plus is that right with I was at his draft party. Just to get picked kit was like a top ten talent goes in the fourth round. Yeah. He wanted to see you on the defensive end of the year. And then the and then he gets draft in the third 'cause you get to fight you had a black eye. Oh, yeah. The story. Now, here's a story. He this last one sorry donor. We're going to over over time with you here, but the story is get flying. So before the draft Yan's goes out with a bunch of buddies. And you know, it's Boston him and his buddies get Olympia with another group of guys while next thing, you know, Yan's squaring off with the guy. He call Cox in Basie knocked the guy out ended up being a scout for Nashville, son and. Woodard cod around like wildfire. And that's why ended up dropping probably a couple rounds in the draft. I mean, at least he would have been early second it lay he's doing all right now, though, Donna eighty million in the holy cow. No hitting no taxes living. Rich, man, you're so wrong through dick Yetlis, Dr auto after forum donor. We wanna thank you for coming on. And this was a nice surprise. We got you last minute more than welcome to come on again with tabby again donor. Hey, real quick. I tell you guys to stories really quick about your guys this show. Can when we're in this for one hour. It's about us going on. No, I and this is serious, which was pretty cool. So I'm I was Senator McCain's. Funeral. And it was I am the biggest knows the was an absolute amazing that I can't say enough great things about everything you hear about him is only the tip of the iceberg. Even better than what you kinda portrayed. I I really do Senate for those listening some some Canadians. It may not know we're talking about Senator John McCain, and we got to be relatively good friends, and I really enjoyed them. Anyways, it that a celebration of life or celebration for him before the service on the Wednesday night before his service, and my wife, and I were there and his family was all there. And it was it was really special. It was his birthday actually that they sang happy birthday. It wasn't. It wasn't a sad moment who is actually very kind of encouraging time anyways as as we're sitting there that guy that's kind of organizing everything for for keeping the family and everyone in all come. Up to me. And he's like, hey. Listen to spitting chiklis, and I'm like, yeah. I do. And they're like tell me those guys are that way all the time. And I was like say are the big that got don't make it through cool so much fun. We get we get kind of laughed about it. And. He was he's from Nashville one of the head guys as an organizer for the Senator and for different huge functions. And then bend, the Senator Megan's the senator's daughter, her husband comes up to me, and and comes up and say, hey, by the way, I loved spitting tickets to I heard the story boat. Jason the bar where you saw him hit him in the neck with the POC. I love listening to those guys, and they said that your friends with pulpits Annette, and and with those guys. Yeah, I do I know with and I'm pretty good friends with with biz. And he's all who loved that show. It's so good. It's my favorite podcasts. Looking to it all the time. So I was like mad. Jason the Barbara. In. But anyways, how I'm sitting in one of the most amazing moments in in in my life. And they're talk about you guys. I was like I got I think it's okay. I tell them. Myself to this story right now. That's the all armed. That's awesome. Hey that I can dawn on your loss as well as well. Dona sorry about your friend. You know? Yeah. No. Yeah. That thank you. I appreciate that. He was a good, man. But I was smiling at think if I ever get on your show, I have to say this because on those guys if they they're pretty comfortable to show on loveless, not guys. That's awesome. Man. What's I think what's hit is mute button? But. Say you gotta let you gotta let let us know how your team doesn't Milwaukee. Because we're any to show them out if they if they get the dub. All right. All right. We play. It's just four games. This is that's next weekend. We're pet where back in your kind of neighborhood with. And then I know biz loves pits still. So we've picked for the big tournament then two weeks. So we will we could play okay. Thanks got its pre shit. You have me on if you guys ever need anything. 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Another thing to everyone thinks he's like so super religious while he's he's very strong about his faith. But he's more conversational about it. He's not he's not pushing it down your throat. I actually go to to some of the bible studies. He would have he would like throw them in like he would have conversations and stuff, and we would sometimes I'd be at the rink and other our we'd be battling back and forth about certain things, and you know, just challenging each other on some stuff, but ultimately, just an unbelievable guy. And we appreciate him coming on. He I think he's going to be a reoccurring gas because he's got more stories that came from. That was good stuff in that interview. Do we talk about when he got shit faced off Sam Buca? I don't believe. I don't recall. I don't think so. Oh, a quick back story. He never drinks ever. And when he plays. He paid a game in Columbus. And then we were flying to Anaheim after the game. And he got crippled on San Buca drank a whole like forty of it leading carry them off the plane you celebrating his thousand game. So we're all taking shots. I hate Sam Buca the black liquor strength. Yeah. Yeah. He we had to carry them to his hotel room. And he was up the next morning at five and took us entire family to DisneyWorld all go. I know could you imagine that? And when you when you get fucked up on a flight to the hangover's times about ten because a beer in a beer at thirty thousand feet. I think is like two and a half when you're on the ground. So. It was just says everything needs to know about him as far as how big a family man is battling through that forty ounce of Zam. Buca the next day at DisneyWorld battling kids to get in line to ride the fucking teacups. Yeah. It was a lot of VIP at DisneyWorld dec-. Like, you said busy kind has very clean cut reputation amongst his peers in. I don't know if we had expectations going in. But, but he he definitely was was a fun interview. I thought he had some some great stories. I hope everybody really enjoyed the view as we had a lot of fun conducting it some other stuff going on. What was it Tuesday night me me land Lucici making headlines once again from the program, he took exception to a hit Matthew Joseph of Tampa Bay late on Chris Russell looked certainly like a boarding call. It didn't get penalized. So Lucia KOMO for his next shifty gave Joe Joseph a little slash. And he check them blatant the any kind of just tout over which is kind of motion into the ice. A little scrummed on a lot of people talking about it, which I take on it with dog. I was laughing. Yes, ain't I love Lou. But he is five to ten minutes left weeks was telling me games not over. They haven't make David. I kinda disagree. I thought the game was pretty much over Tampa Bay with dominating. And Lucia psych. Fuck this. I hate this kid he hit Russell from behind the hit. Wasn't that bad? It actually looked worse than it was. Because Russell Russell's bent over the bit to space just went through into the glass like dasher type. But it wasn't. You know, the guy wasn't flying when he kinda hit him from behind. But loot shed, I don't give a shit. And I did I know that stamkos was really pissed off during the game. They they showed him his flipping out. But when loose berry Joseph when he wasn't looking to start the whole thing he hit him with his chest. And kind of pushed them knows was nothing to do with Joseph's hand or anything. So it was it was a big hit. But it wasn't as dangerous or bad. Visit looked it was just on top of them. And he was like so for Lila base. Washington thinki- drill them with like one punch right away. Kinda it just got hilarious. When I mean, there isn't a reference in the league can pull lucianne off anyone and he was deciding I'm not getting off this kid yet. And just sat there face lauch. Just cut his face up. Not giving a shit that everyone was jumped on town to get up. So looteries hit lewd snap the an pissed off. And I mean, it gave me a little bit laughing at three and a half hour shift Tuesday night at the old network. Don't already let's thoughts on it. Yeah. It was I love it. Old school thing on people on Twitter about it. A hearing today does he really really, wow. Over the phone hearing. Why he really? I hadn't seen that tweet yet. But it was pretty cool to walking conic, David. He was young. He was mixing it up. The pulling bodies out getting involved. He wasn't kind of stand on the periphery and also how much future guests Alex school. And he's going to be coming up soon. How much did he was hitting his pants when he got pulled out a pile of staring Don on their face to face to face, man. I I would have probably a little bit of a Hershey squirts out because he's he's a tough customer. Yeah. He's just like, oh good. I'm off on that nurse can throw them like that. Or is she script? Yeah. I was kinda threw me off their Hershey squirts choice. So as I mentioned, there's a phone hearing plan for me, Lou. Ooh. I'm okay with what he did. I know a lot of these new school hockey fans. You don't want any type of violence or are losing their minds. I think they're probably going to for that sake. Maybe give them a game. Just to kind of teach them a lesson. Whatever that means apparently him in that the other the Senate fourth line center were running around all game. So finally, it's fucking the bench and and kind of had the wires cross a little bit. I think he was just trying to show them who's boss say fuck you wanna run around you've got to answer old school style. And and I'm down with that stuff. I know I'm a dinosaur. I know my opinions probably a lot different than a lot of these new new fans, but I'm okay with it. I be surprised if he gets a game. But I think he's going to while. I would I would hope you don't get. I mean, if they're gonna not suspended they're gonna give them some sort of discipline? I would hope it's only a fine because I don't know it just fucking it was interference. He slashed the guy committed at the Farris with the check. And then you know, kinda pushed him into the ice a little bit. I I didn't see anything suspension where the. Speaking of suspensions, the department of play a safety did deem. Brendan Lemieux's illegal check to Vinnie tro checks had the other night worthy of do game suspension. Which is about what we had which go ahead. I started actually laughing out loud. Thinking of you know, somebody who sees their son playing the NHL and get a goal and the just help proud. You are of your kid to make it to the highest level and score a goal in the National Hockey League. And then just think Claude Lemieux so happy proud wants his son got his versus summit. I could do it son. I love you. Thanks that love you too. Did you like that headshot? I just totally picture crate job, Brendan pets. How you make a name for yourself just drill someone in the head? When they've moved the pocket aunt looking. The wok. Hey, this might be an unpopular opinion. But I watched it a few times. And it seems as though he was initially going to go in for like a big one. And then he's like disguise a little vulnerable right now. And as you kinda let up that's when his shoulder hit his head. And I mean, obviously, he's gotta get suspended because he went right shoulder to head. But I almost question whether all this, you know, the head shots and all this stuff makes guys second guess themselves last-second where where maybe damage is more damage being caused by the second guessing as opposed to him just keep in the knees, bent and going in and hitting him square. Where it just, you know. I mean, you're you're making that decision like in a split second. A lot of people don't understand how fast actually is especially when you're out there, and you're tired. I'm not defending what he did. I'm just saying is I'm curious just by watching that as if that is is how it played out in music head. So it takes away the natural flow of wit. What a guy would normally do. I see what you're saying going so fast to if you decide to just try to run completely run him over when when you move in that quick you can catch his head. It just look bad it it it looked so bad the way Trojans head really snap back. But luckily, he was okay. I'm sure that saved them for maybe another game or two. But that I mean, he plays hard. Everyone hates planning. And so I mean, just like his father so as the same with and when he was on the devils and all these teams, I'm sure guys Winnipeg love having Brandon on their on their club few things. I wanted to talk about before we move on from that is the Willie Desjardins comet I made about L as new coach said he never had a losing season. He actually had back to back losing seasons in Vancouver Sowa. Thanks grenell. For the fact check on that one. And then the episode before I accidentally said six goals and six assists for sid. When I meant to say, six goals and. Four assists for ten points. But I said six and six ten so everybody was just fucking Roshni. Math guy to say how fucking math was just wanted you to sound on. So I didn't say anything. Okay. Bill, boys. We it looks like we hadn't yet another chick. Let's bump our great interview with Adam Oates few weeks back huge hit well, apparently the LA kings. Listen, they brought an oats to do some consultant fun. I'll read the press release Yeli kings have reached a consulting agreement data Oates CEO of the oats sports group. As part of the agreement. Oats will provide the club with advice. Three guiding player skills play skills evaluation in development. I couldn't find any information. If he's gotta only going to be working strictly with the kings. I mean because he has so many other clients or other team they didn't really get into the particulars of that. But either way Congratula boy OC getting somewhat shutt- telling teams out how do I how to do things better out there? And they got immediate results last night while certainly under the new coach, but the the w I'm sorry Tuesday night. Go ahead biz. Here's my prediction is that because they have not only Stevens and solder still on salary, which is a lot of money and head coaches is. This is going to be a little sample size of what he can do and how much his his skill development can transfer into coaching because I would say his his head coaching gig in Washington was a little unsuccessful. But hey, that's that's a small sample size of what did he did? He have a full season there. Yeah. I think he had a season. Plus if I'm not mistaken. Okay. Anyway, you know, who knows maybe he wasn't the right fit there. But moving forward if they could if they see if this ends up working out in benefiting the LA kings. I could see him potentially being the next head coach moving forward. That would be my prediction. I would just imagine that right now is probably not the right time. Because if Adam Oates is gonna put all his business aside and NBA head coach in the National Hockey League. You're going to have to pay him probably north of three three and a half million because he's making so much money running that business now, and there's so much demand because of how much success guys have had from it that by the time next year rolls around if they do see success from LA with his his skill development that he might take over that team head coach imagine like Rob Blake and big meeting with the whole hockey ops. And he's like, what do you think about how to moats than some guy like just this lowly hockey guys? All you hear him on chiklis and Blake's just like. But I do think that I think the future head coach. There is going to be Marco Sturm. And you saw he's brought into the assistant for Willie Desjardins, and he did a hell of a job coaching the German national team at the Olympics to the silver medal against the Republic of USSR, whatever they were called. Phone's ringing in my hotel majority kick me out that God. So I. Up being the next guy there shutouts team Germany's uniforms, those are some of the best international uniforms going out there and another thing too is maybe maybe oh to be a better fit as at assistant coach now whether he would want to do that. But the thing is like comes down to the money, man. He's making so much money off what he's doing. Now actually did two full seasons in Washington. It was the lockout shortened. Yeah. And then twenty thirteen fourteen he did eighty two games that year is well, I'll be surprised if he if he does get back in the head coach and just this conversation, we had I didn't get the impression that that. He was looking eagerly eager to get back into it. And all she wonder if the kings of what pissed they didn't wait a couple more days, if they knew Quenneville was going to be available just a couple of days later. But before we go any further, I just want to talk to your second about Twenty-three in me twenty three and me is named for the twenty three pairs of chromosomes that make up our DNA twenty three minutes personal genetic service. That helps you understand what you DNA could tell you about you and your family story as you love get together. This thanks. Given discover more about the genetic connections. You all have in. Shia did you inherit Irishness for mom, a dad, you might have a little African. Did you get from the grandmother side? 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I mean, what are your thoughts on that? I mean, you're gonna be living with me here New York City soon. Hopefully, hopefully, I don't get canned. No, I boys. I don't know. What's going on? Also is when borrow came in. He's he's done nothing, but a great job and been very respectful everyone. Everyone. Happy right now things are heading in the right direction. So just just in my time playing here now now now you just hear a lot of different stories about what's going to happen. I usually just don't I don't really pay attention to it until things happen. Because when I was here planting there are so many rumors and speculation of what was going to happen with the team. Whether it was gonna get sold or get moved discarded, nor the noise boys and just keep on plugging away. I think it would be tough to see right now for them to leave. I mean, AirAsia hockey is thriving. We had to ASU guys on last week with Austin Matthews is doing in the NHL, I just think for areas own. I mean, the coyotes are huge. Goes. Well, yeah. That's the problem saying if you can find a home in the Phoenix area. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. If you could ever get to Scottsdale. Scottsdale. Be so sick to plan. Just it's crazy. What thirty what does that drive this? And the good news guys is you wouldn't have to take an Uber. You could just walk to wherever you needed to go. So you wouldn't fuck in get thrown around the boss made prison of some of my Uber videos were really and the sale if it does happen. There's nothing contingent as far as a new arena. That's just kind of a whole separate issue. But yeah, I mean if they're gonna alternately succeed in that area. They think it's pretty clear they do need an arena in either Phoenix or Scottsdale schlepping out the Glendale is not getting done for them. Unfortunately, I think that his tenth goal on his ten th game, by the way Tuesday night, not filthy is he's he's leading. He's adding a lot of energy that lineup. Yes. 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And then the guy goes out and gets his first career hat trick on NHL fights cancer night. Is that what it was? Yeah. It was hockey fights cancer. Not by not just NHL whole game hockey. You know, everyone plays it everywhere. We just happen to work for the NHL hockey fights candidate guy gets first career hat trick on that night. After what he's been through. What is families bent through is father beat cancer? That is the most feel-good story maybe season so far. And I mean couple of goals were Snipes one of them ended up down on one knee. Look like Patterson Brad hall on big deal. So congrats to him. I was great under. If you got the postgame swag that we talked about what halls. You know, they got the helmet that they've brought back from Europe the firearm to devil's devil's diligent a little bit of a run rate now. So they gotta figure out how they played last year. I think John Heinz last night Tuesday night saying that compete level has gone up. They went up two nothing on the road against auto after pound Pittsburgh, five one in the Boyle actress game, and they blew that. So devas gotta get it going again. I actually I got a tweet. I wanna give one of our listeners a little bit of a shout. It's his well, Dan. It's at Kamala sixty seventy said, hey, spitting chip. That's a biz wits my son, and I have driven twenty four hours. So far listening to the pod the hallway twenty more hours to go to BC British Columbia. You'll podcast has been detrimental to entertainment you fought him in my face so shadow to this guy who's tolerated our fucking voices for twenty four hours. He's gonna do another twenty. I tweeted back at them. I said buddy, you deserve a fuck metal. That sounds like torture to me. See I. Got the guys like me, and my son or having this great bonding the kids pike when we listen fucking music lease or someone who's funny. Poisoning. I think that pretty much wraps things up. But there's one more nouncement. I wanna make Budweiser Canada is coming on board and one cool thing about that. Is there going to be offering our fans the trip of a lifetime airfare hotel and tickets to a game? And it's going to be all involved with their. Would you say their social media platform? Yeah. So they're celebration campaign selling set, and they're gonna want our fans sending us in tagging. Budweiser candidates sending us their own personal Selley season videos. They're gonna want people commenting on what they think of the best Sally. So far this season. We're going to kick that off on Mondays episode with Morgan Riley considering he plays for Canadian team. They thought it makes sense to do it. I just wanted to give you guys a heads up. There's gonna be a lot of things moving forward where where we get our fan base involved. And you know, I know you guys have to quote unquote, bear through the ads, but the good news about it is we're going to be given back. So all you people who are interacting with us on our social channels. You're going to have the opportunity winsome, very cool prizes. You know, some we're going to give away some swag bags of spitting. Chiklis gear to people who are like the runners up of the prizes. But the main prizes are going to be very lucrative as I mentioned airfare hotel. Maybe. It'll be even lucky enough to hang out with RA and Grenell in Boston. If you order the garden in watch a game there. I mean, if you end up winning a trip to go, see wet somewhere. I mean, I don't know you might declined to just want the swag bag. But hey, it's up to you. And you can pass it off to somebody else bombing just completely smash back, but Heavy's now, what's nice. We got the vodka sponsorship with new Amsterdam while perfect. You have like, you know, fifteen bud heavy wash now at five point Whitney's. Is it? I mean, that's still drinking responsibly. Because I that most guy a big guy takes and our fan base. Probably has a high tolerance always had a big time taller. It's to certain things in the fan. Surly? Evan slugged back the pink Whitney's because it seems like every night that hashtag in the drinks. Especially on the weekends. One of the quick note. I'm not gonna lie guys. All the stuff was going down on Boston radio with with what Neue and chick. Let's Yuba controversy was nice to not have the heat on me for a chain. Is that was all going on? I was like, okay. This. This is could everyone everyone's getting shit on on hearing. It felt nice to not to not be Horno probably loves you because you're a content guy now. So you're you're actually in the good books. It's grenell. Who? Who are fans know the back story of of the fact that a girl lied and said that us called day school. I've no idea this girl such a fucking loser. Yes. So people all good. I think yesterday was great because I got to present my case in front of Dave himself in evidence speaks for itself. I'd shown all you guys have shown all you guys. Text messages, I have every single thing screen shot at I still have the text messages. I've never deleted any of them. So I'm not worried at all I said yesterday, I'll take the hit for the spitting chocolates thing. But I wouldn't take the hit for that. Now. Wait till you're talking shit port in an Uber. Fucking sell it to TMZ, then you're really fucked. And I mean, let's also too. I mean fucking pothead. It's not sound like a bad thing. I mean, I said I said you've been called the way worse than that. I caught Dallas. Hello. Yeah. That's a compliment in anyone who smokes weed like smoke weed you. If you smoke weed, you'll openly like call other people a pothead like. Imagine how big of a you would have to be to insult someone. And be like, oh, he's he's a pothead. Exactly. I'm not a loser. That girls lose though that go fucking take a hike art poisoning that wraps it up for today's epi. I mean that one ran a little long. Yeah. I can see on a long boys. Good chemistry. Look good vibe this morning. I think we're all Chipper up, Adam. It was good stuff. Love. Maybe when you guys give me a call when I'm driving home. So if something to do wouldn't hate it, send them some actually we can get the same app wits that you that you can send fights through that you wanna event we can do that for eagle energy to you can. Onions and cheese pizza for the ride home. I'm pretty sure I'll be taking care of my own smelling vehicle. Do you eat shit from like seven eleven the hot food. No MU RA RA somebody areas line. So happy to said that I saw on either Instagram or Twitter comment. I give it a pick to some game. Some k goes I trust Whitney's pick like I trust gas station sushi. Fucking that already. Where the fuck the gas station. Sushi probably Hongcouver. That's true. I don't mess with that. Good luck at work today. And have a great day. Bye. Thanks guys next week Monday Tuesday, Wednesday about any Clore to six. 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The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 236  Cam Janssen and Reed Low

The Tim McKernan Show

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The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 236 Cam Janssen and Reed Low

"Yes. Yes, welcome in to the Tim Kernan show here on the inside, he'll podcast network from the homeowner expert dot com studios. I'm your host Timothy. Michael mckernan. And I think I can say with a degree of certainty that today's episode will be one that many people will enjoy. I don't want to step out of the batter's box, and call shots, too often because, you know, not everything is going to resonate with everyone equally, and so it's subjective, and therefore it's in the eye of the beholder, but. This conversation with Cam, Jansen and read low, presented by Mark Hanna of evergreen wealth strategies is one of my favorite episodes in the I guess, I can say close to two year history of the show were approaching two years. We started on Tober I two thousand seventeen and, and it's, it's getting within range of saying that, but either way year and a half, plus of shows. This is one of my favorite because it it's like it's like. Perfect with the passion of Cam in read the emotion of recalling various elements of the blue season. And I'm not talking about just like starting with the Winnipeg Sirs. We're going back to what was wrong and to moments that define the turnaround and two isolated moments in each series that defined the series, plus their emotion from being in the parade. And of course, the moment when the blues lift the Stanley Cup. I think you'll love this, and they start yelling at each other about a variety of things, but it's all in good fun, even though they certainly get fired up. That's what you guys do love this episode, it got to a point where I'm like, I gotta cut it off. Otherwise, we're gonna sit here for five hours, but I speak with a sense of confidence. You're gonna love this and it's the kind of stuff I love doing. It's when I'm doing things like this, where I go. I'm so glad I get to do this for a living. I have gotten to do it. And whenever it comes to an end whenever it might be might be today that I will be going. Now I mean twenty years in my hometown market and the blues win the Stanley Cup, and I get to sit with two guys who played in war, the note on their sweater and relive this incredible incredible run turnaround, and you fork result with two guys who care about it more than anybody. I mean that was I loved it. And then and therefore, I don't usually say this. I say, I love this conversation in this case, I love this conversation. And I think you'll enjoy this conversation's the best thing for me to do is get the hell out of the way and say this without Ryan Kelly, the home loan expert dot com without Mark Hanna of evergreen wealth strategies law. James Carlton of the Carlin state farm insurance agency without designer heating, cooling online at designer service count the number one trade deal north and without Johnny Llandough Chevrolet at Llandough dot com. 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In what he does is will sure he markets incredibly, well, but when he gets people to call him or to go to the home, loan expert dot com, they take care of them better than anybody else does. And that's why the word of mouth. Spreads. It goes Alison union mortgage, you're gonna refinance. There's really only one name to know Ryan Kelly, the home loan expert dot com. Boy, I don't know about what your neighborhoods like, I know this around where I live homes on the market, and they're off the market, so quickly, the for sale signs on, and then the sold signs on, and it's like immediately. So be armed with pre approval through the homeowner expert dot com or capitalize on the home values increasing the interest rates dropping and go to the hormone expert dot com Ryan Kelly studio spots. All right. So without further ado, here in the homeowner expert dot com studios going down memory lane boys with realo, and Cam Janssen, presented by Mark Hanna of evergreen wealth strategies here. Our guests on the Tim occuren- show this week. Are I gotta make sure I start with this, because Stephen wild, you know, Stephen wild with Cam. You probably don't know who he is. Re Stephen texted, when I said, you guys were coming in and said you to he thought might have gotten into it during game six is that true was that Mikey's? Box game six. Oh, when we got smoked, you probably piss me off and I turned around and. Why don't you hit me because that would be. Naughty someone stupid as you would be. It'd be embarrassing in front of, you know, the organization. Yeah. We, we, we didn't get into it. But I think sometimes when you and I go at it, it's it looks like a grand it like there's, there's times when guys like, oh, settle down in words. The blues you're getting their asses kicked in that game. And are you guys getting tight and starting going back and forth about is that what's going? No, I think it was more like you like something you bumped into me. I might build my beer over my own right. Yeah. I did. I did. Dry-cleaned now it's been days off your wallet. The next day, and I only have one suit. Good on me. It maybe you get a little fat news. Down with for if you to go who wins. I'm assuming that you guys have gone back and forth before, right? He skates if we both in our prime, I'll answer. I if we're both in our prime we'd kick the shit out of each other. And that's the end of it and go along the way and you switch hands on me, and I try to trade and maybe catch me a little bit slow it down and get my groove back. I could I vision this in my head a lot because. Vision. Speaking track of. Vision vision arise. Either way. On the ice sometimes. And that's really when I get pissed to more than anything is on the ice off joking. Do we've kicked shit out of each other and be awesome fight review with that. I don't. I don't me and my me and my prime I wouldn't have let Cam do what he did to everybody. Because the game my fighting style was different than the fighting style that kind of came in after that, or five locker those guys were staying here. And they were kind of giving those chats like that. Like I would have guy squared up and they didn't get the hit me unless I wanted to unless your name was George rock. And then you ragged all me like a school girl. And I just talked to my legs and said, you know what I got? Everybody's got their guy rest. So here we go. No. We've probably would add a good Cam. Can I give him all kinds of health in a middleweight and stuff? But, you know, having a guy that size knocking heavyweights out and the guys that he'd beat the crap out of it's, it's not something that I really have stayed here today. Go man, I wish I would've thought Cam Jansen, I would've fought them, but I would I wasn't excited to beat his ass, even though I would have made me. I know one thing we don't know what on that. But he neither of us were scared but Cam definitely wasn't bulldog. Cam scared now just scared now. Oh, so we're coming off the prey boys, an everybody who went to that says, it was one of the greatest days of their lives. What was it like from your perspectives in the positions? You're in for that thing. I was the staunched the people at the very end of the prayed with took a, a right turn on Broadway. Yeah. And then we took another left turn kind of down at the bottom of the art, where that churches, and there was like you can't even see the ballpark village sign in the picture, I have because there is so many people that were standing up on that thing, which is ten or fifteen feet off. And they are just conglomerate it all the way through that the parking garages that have the circle driveway up just loaded all the way to the top people on rooftops top a bus stops hanging out a window ledges like anywhere, somebody could find a place to stand, and look, it was just absolute bedlam. I took tons of Ideo and tons of pictures and I'm not used to that. But there was nothing else to do it was. And I always said if the. Saint Louis blues ever win the Stanley Cup markets. You'll never be the same, and I just don't think it ever will be. I don't you know, just even if the blues another Stanley Cup, you can try and you can try and do that again. And I'm sure that the players will because they'll have heard of all the things that happened. And I believe Saint Louis one another Stanley Cup. But you'll never ever reenact that first time per share that fifty three years people in waiting for something no matter how crazy it is just with everything from being in last place to a song to, you know, the guys having all the different things stacked up against them that they did hand pass overtime goals, going against him and coming back in two straight games like all the things that happen. And just the group of guys that came together. I think really what made this story won't be the same ever again. I mean, I, I mean, this is a Hollywood store, in my opinion and really is in so many different ways. There's so many different storylines. Everybody came out of the woodworks to it. I mean like we chair Paul because of what you know, flipping I he can do that stuff. The one thing I would say that, and I said this on your show to me is. He's there. He's there. He's, he's, he's mingling with bands, and he's doing this. He's doing that he's not sitting he could be anywhere else. I mean anywhere else but he, he loves the city and for him to be around and do what he did. Everybody loves them. But to, to, to go off on the on the prayed, a little bit more when we get there, and we all go into McBride box. We're watching the guys take pictures on the families that are out there. It was really, really cool. We finally jumped on our our our, our truck. Why p jumps on with us. You ever met white people? Yeah. Yeah. Had met him. Me bullshit with a guy with the chill. Yeah. Oh, yeah. First time I've ever met him when he jumped on who the hell this and did he just get out of nineteen Ninety-six in Goma? He he owns it everywhere from his, his running shoes. I was like, how do you find a pair of shoes like that? His his shitty shorts to nineteen ninety six red blues. Bell Brunton unbelievable in by the way, he played college hockey that I didn't know that now. Yeah. He said he saw me at the rink, when we were when I was Sheffield time he was at the rink all, you know you cross paths with everybody didn't what you're telling I talked to before I met him before. But lot of things went down. It is what he'll help it either. Now back then. But you check out. But yes, so we get on that thing, and we started after really fast. So when you getting after you boys are at a level that I can't possibly comprehend or you just like pounding beers. Their, their other booze going what's going to pay into it to a couple of times you hit a bomb. Oh, oh, baby. And I think it will channel five gave me a gopro. I don't I don't work that I don't know where it's kinda worried about it. Nobody knows that. I'm filming you the whole time. Time but it was really, really cool. And when you interact with the fans, I mean, having that, you know, you're like. And everybody's like. Your lead singer on a man, which I always want to be, and it just we took full advantage with the blues will be able to put that on in such short time. You got like all this came together. So you got put all vans, you got to take who we take care of who gets afloat who's involved? Who's this who's that? And I think they did a hell of a job that bad boy together, so quick, and they really really gave us an opportunity to be with the cop to hang out with it. Do whatever we want with it for a couple of days. Hang out all the guys and stuff like that. Give us our own flow. Pretty cool. Do I mean do other teams do that directors? Having alumni thing prize. I think that hockey again, we'll come back in Hawk's little different when it comes to alumni, and what about other legs. But I yeah, I doubt it. I doubt that they do to that level have sprayed like last year. Do you have any idea? I think that the guys like I know Brent Johnson works for the team as a as a an analyst, analyst, and he got like they got different grades of rings that you got but his still really nice, but it's not like what the players got. But I think it was just the guy. I so typically other teams you know, you'd have your bread hall your alma Kennedy. Bring for go. You know, probably your Kelly chase and you Bruce Aflac and those would be the guys that would be involved, the guys that are orchestrated inside the team. But with Thomas completely different story because Tom's been hockey fan for so long. And Tom has so many friends of the alumni skates with us on in the mornings. And he interacts with us all the time. And, you know, the board of directors, which I'm on and soon, Cam probably will be on. You know, Tom invites a couple times a year to bring our significant others to his box and hang out with them, and we, he wants the blues alumni to be instrumental, as you know, I think when you take a look at other teams this has happened, but, you know Saint Louis is the best hockey town in the NHL Spurs. I'm concerned the Canadian teams, you know, Canada's just crazy when it comes to hockey when you talk about something that had nothing and what the blues alumni, starting from John Winston can Larry PD and Mike Zouk and Bruce Aflac, and that generation of guys have done in this town to lead. Up to the the Browns and the Cup, shocks and the fi first round draft picks. And now winning the Cup and guys like Cam being the first Saint Louis league. And now there's like any given time last year, the before there was like thirteen kids that were born and raised and lived in Saint Louis and grew up and played hockey here and went to their colleges from here, like felt like that chance. Yeah. Alumni is what's done that in my brother-in-law in Canada? He always tells me he's like, you know, the United States is real lucky that a bunch of Canadians went down there and found American women down, USA hockey would never be when it is today. Even even our alumni box is awesome. I mean it's big and in all that no one. So I went to devils, you know, but, you know lose not there anymore. So it's, it's still different fans. But, you know, it's a lot different and, and they don't have it on them night boxes, just regular sweet. There's it's not catered with bartenders just booze everywhere. You know you got paid for your own stuff. All they took care of me. But it was it was empty. I mean it was absolutely empty. I didn't see even the guys that were working there. Didn't even see Marty and Patrick Elliot guys like that. But it was like, oh, okay. Yeah. Wow. We, we do. Have it really good. But we do a lot of stuff though. There's always stuff to do. There's going to be a lot of stuff to do the summer and we're like. Yeah. Golf tournaments out the walls, or you go on Monday, by the way, where he was playing. Oh track. It's the same Missouri off in the amateur. That's cool before, again like, just come back to it. We wouldn't have the alumni box. We have today if it wasn't for Tom Stillman, like the box we had when Checketts was here and the blues alumni head. Yeah. They give you a little sweet up in the corner, and you fit twelve fourteen people in there. And, and then Tom came along and took three the big, bud sweet next to it, and combine it all together, and we give out twenty five tickets at night to different charities that we don't even see that donation through our alumni association. That's just straight tickets, right to this, you know, they get a little certificate, and then they get to four five six thousand twelve hundred fifteen hundred they get for those tickets that goes right in to their pocket. Twenty five tickets at night. And so it's Tom Stillman and his involvement. The booze lung, you know, we got to go to a party with just the players and their families and the alumni in the management on Friday night. And again, I, I don't see that invite coming to any other ten even to the Saint Louis blues, it's not for Tom Stillman and Kris Zimmerman. And how instrumental they are making sure that the blues. Mhm ni-, because of the group of people we have here and the blues are in, in in. We got a good real good. But we also work, we work our asses off with all kinds of cherries like that. So what, what isn't we like doing that kind of stuff? But, you know, I think it's not necessarily talked about enough how, how we're treated as a whole with this organization and how chain I didn't realize that changed with Tom Stillman's ownership. I open. And again, the alumni, always taking care of here in the lump is always worked here. Like, you know, obviously Bobby plager- right off the bat of you're retired. He came into it. And then Bruce Affleck. And there's been guys that played on the team all the way along that we're always a part of the team in some way, shape or form. So they've always had Canadians. Wanna stay down here. It's great town. I love it. I call it home. But there's a little bit of this thing, called cold, weather, and snow that really drove me away from Musha scotch. No. I didn't know any better when I was ten camp. Right. Turn twenty-five. You realize there's other temperatures in the world. See later. Ill, always bought my heart. All right now that it's all over. I, I know there's always going to be that line. You can't air out certain things, and I respect that. So you can bullshit, me whenever I hit one that you can't hit on. But what was going on in October, November, and December combination of thing? Okay. What they weren't bought into the system. That's as we might. Maybe they didn't have a system, or maybe whatever cases, okay. Do they, they, they weren't bought in what does that do? Well, when when, when all of a sudden, you're not didn't have goaltending. So you had you had when you have goaltending domino affect. It's you can't evaluate your team properly in my opinion you know he leads the week ago and whose falls that you go through it just a pain in the ass. You don't have great goaltending. You're not bought into the system, or if there is a similar that due to a room when you have complete advise your big boys aren't stepping up. Now. You've got these young kids getting called up because there's no other like what's going on here. They start getting power play time. You know, Schwartz. He's like, well, what the hell? Well, you're not scoring. Okay. Well, this is my jam making I should be in this situation. It causes rift blame here and there and that's natural. And that's every team goes through that, and who teams can crawl out of it, but that's exactly what happens and the only way to really cure that, and you could remember Petro's people ragging on petro, and Steen, or in this. The big thing. Yeah. They probably hate each other a couple times, probably hated each other. I mean. You look into paper UP your wife's talking to people at the gas, it all adds up, and you guys together every fucking day, everyday pardon. My links from every day. And so it just naturally causes rift in a locker room. And again, the only way to cure that is to get a system in play you gonna head coach and you win and you start winning and you start playing the right way, and everybody starts buying and, and it's a slow process is exactly what happened. It's unbelievable to watch. It's not an easy process. And I think when I take a look back at right at the beginning of summer. I think you gotta go to the summertime before you look at what happened in October November, December and in the summertime. Doug Armstrong, did some things that people like Wow, Did he make this team fasters that what everybody's supposed to do by signing Patrick maroon and, and, and, you know, not saying that rhino rivals not fast, but he is. But did he what did he do a good? And I was super excited about the team. And then you will work. Yes, people were take a look at, you know, a guy like J bowl mecer that had. Hip surgery and probably wasn't ready to come back as being season. But did Patrick maroon had a knee and back surgery and probably wasn't ready? Come back, but he was hometown kid that he had to do. And then he won, by the way in ninety one was kinda has never really been pushed to the point that Baru pushed him to this year. Right. Where it's like, hey, listen. You're not gonna play the fireplace that sound he's always been giving like that. Like little kid that never had any consequences to pay. And when you take a look at Ryan Ryan rally coming in who probably could be a captain probably could be the captain on the team, obviously petro things done a great job. But he's a he's a guy that elite level that elite on the ice leadership where his work ethic, and the way that he acts on the ice takes over for everything it really doesn't matter what he says, 'cause he shows it with his action. And then trying to find that jostle of the new guys. Right. You've got got a lot of personalities and we dealt with it in two thousand and two thousand three when we had, like guys like Mike Keenan, Scott Mellanby and Keith. Chuck and alma kennison, Chris Pronger. Those are all guys that work happens and could be captains National Hockey, the I think that with an Alex dean and Orion Riley, and even guy. Jay Bo miester, that's been around for as long as he has. It was just a natural time for those guys to try and figure out where they were. And what happened when you couple in the fact that, you know, Cam said there were the goaltending wasn't there in the Jake Allen, had glimmers and signs of being a number and glue, but it never really pushed the pedal to the metal shown and proven that he was a number one goalie. He was still in a land attentional, right? And you know that's why would question the signing that he was given. I know why it was given so that we can say now you've got the you've got the contract, you're the guy, but that's a tough one to happen to sign if it doesn't work for in the back end. And I think that you just couple everything with the guys kind of getting into it in practice, knickknack, and guys realized it was more than Sanford, and bore Tuesda. I don't think so. But I think there's probably a lot that happens just happened. I didn't like it, but ten years ago, that's not a big deal. He's fights and practice all the time. Like it wasn't. It wasn't even a thing. But obviously there's no fighting now. So a fight him. We had you talked about this. Yeah, it wasn't really even a fight 'cause for me to constitute as a fight. Both guys have to have their gloves off here, lanford still is on E warm in the shower that. No, I just give it up for twos. Oh, much shit because I'm like, motherfucker. Your, your toughest most angriest fight ever in your career is against a kid. That's never fought ever that even have his gloves off at the time. And you through harder against him, then you did anybody else and your career. And yeah, I know there's fighting we I thought so many teammates and they're all bigger, but it wasn't an impulse look in rookie and fight Goto them and not go, toe-to-toe immigrant like fuck you. What are you doing? And then, and so I pull shit him hard. I mean, we're doing on a podcast doing remember doing everywhere you better do something. And not did. You know, he did that next game goes right up to Tom Wilson trays punch Tom Wilson at center ice in freaking enterprise centre, damn right, Bert. Okay. Now, you're okay. Now you're back. You lost your mind. You loss on Sanford Sanford, took a beating a nasty ass. Uppercut up. It is what it is. And that and then he goes out there and goes toe-to-toe. Does that send a message you've got? Damn right. Jack Nicholson, Tom known his great stood up to the point straight squared off with them and actually didn't take a beating. Sometimes you guys like I'm just gonna hold on and get thrown. He's like, I'll trade with you all could have got knocked out, but he sucked up because he knew he had to have to do that. What Sanford and, and, and all the guys like fucking right? There's, there's one other thing that, that I've been talking about on the radio for the last three weeks, probably four weeks. Then I think has for me going on notice. And I think this guy would be happy that it did go unnoticed. But Larry Robinson is a guy that came in and actually spent some time on the bench and early Jan. And that was that was right after the November. Eighteenth firing of Mike L and are yo- or the hell you say it. They didn't really really the blues didn't really have that spark. That usually see, when there's firing a coach gets canned like that. And so they kinda went in and I think like they just said, hey, Larry doesn't want to be on the bench for like just down be around in the dressing room and kind of get these guys like this is at the time of nine time Stanley Cup. Hall of Famer changed the game as a guy that was six foot five and could skate like he did back in the Montreal Canadians leading back end and re re like one of those guys like Bobby or that kind of brought the offensive defencemen game out. And and but also had a tremendous defensive game. And he's just insanity about his defensive game and how to play a defensive system and he takes his defensive system into the open of Zona. I think that when you take a look at what he brought his level of composure, I really look at that being right. On the same time that the blues kind of stirred interesting that really really really it really those two things kind of came together. And I think Larry Robinson deserves a tremendous amount of credit for what happened to this hockey team and them getting on page because they went from team that was just flying and running gun and trying to do everything themselves to a team that played with controlled chaos. And when I say controlled chaos, I'm talking about getting on the four check and really punishing the other teams defense. And then knowing that. The defenseman in the offense zone without a shadow of doubt when that puck comes around the wall, you're gone. You're not waiting for somebody to come back your crank cracking down. You're pinching on that Ford. You're trying to cause chaos. The second floor is now coming in and helping out there and that third forwards coming back east protect and that defense in case gets gets by. I think listen, I think that I think it has a think it's a huge deal to have that commitment to know that, that defenseman impinge down, and he's going to have some safety back there. And those guys are gonna come back and that's what they needed, and they brought that system play. And I think that with, with, obviously, goaltending, you know, goal is just don't commit every day and put twenty what twenty one twenty four four one whatever goals against average and eight showed every Petrovka gonna go there just, you know, we compare the rookie seasons. I mean was nineteen to at that time, wasn't he so different story, not that it's not you can't compare because you can it was unbelievable. But back to the fact that they had somebody that in just Cam can can talk about this to, like, when you have a goaltender in net that makes that extra save that, you know, you can count on. It just makes you play with a little bit more e go here. Oh, made a big safe. I that's what he does. Let's go get one form the daddy did this morning. Padre reference bring him up, I'll bring them up and daddy toddrick again, today, kicked ass, and mostly waking up this morning. To me son steady Padres out today and he was. Netminder to I was scrambling to get a going. I'm like, okay, de-pa. You're coming out tomorrow, you how many call before you. Call daddy Padre fifteen I go Padre got call too big leagues. So he's like, okay, I'm there now he's usually stocking vending machine at five, we're on already whole, my guess, hey, Cam, I've been puking all night. This renewed into. They knew that I was sleeping. It's not a secret text me. And when you don't have a goalie it rose escape and these boys take it serious. So I go, he text me goes, I'm puking go get your fucking asks, they're six thirty. Don't be late. Okay. I'm there goes out there and plays. Great that right? Great. He played great Iggy needs to hear this. Yeah. You need to hear dog. They all do but it was a fun week morning. Hope you're enjoying this one. My guess is that you are. And without Hannah of evergreen wealth strategies. We wouldn't even have the opportunity to bring it to you. 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Here's what I remember about the Craig ruby. Hiring Joel Quenneville got wacked a few days later, and everybody's like, oh my God. We'll win Ville come here and I'm rejection with some guys and they're going. I mean, I'm sure they'd love to get him but he's going to cost too much money and he's sitting on millions of dollars of the Blackhawks and the contract. And so then just kind of became okay, well, we'll let this Baru guy play out the rest of the year, and then we'll see what happens come June, and then it begins now took about a month or so for to begin and you're right read with the Larry Robinson. But what was it? What is it about Craig baruti that wound up leading to him? It seems like he commands respect but he doesn't necessarily demand it. He just gets it. By the way conducts himself, I don't get to be in the restroom much Cam does. But just watching the little blips that they have how he is. Is in the dressing room into seeing how he is with the players he, there's to be a great coach. I think you have to have a great balance between, you know, being a hard ass and, and being somebody that's going to put you in your place, and yet, haven't enough compassion for these kids. Eight understand that, hey, if you need something if you need to talk or a give you some reasoning, I can't tell you how many times I was a healthy scratch sixteen games in a row. And Joe Quimby was my coach and even scared us to it was. It was. It was it was in a November December. It was terrible. I was I was on such a bad ways that I actually went to the marketing group and said has a couple schools. You'd get me to go read it. I need I need to put some positive some kid. Yeah. Spital so but he's just walk by tap me on the pads and say you're not into night. Well, we went like six and nine and that stretch of. In the lineup. You know, but there's a there's a there's a, there's a calmness that he brings these guys you know, he didn't change his ways, they were setting their system. They did it right. He he punished his word, but he held guys accountable and you have to be able to do that at once guys feel like they're held accountable, another thing that I think that I watched that I think he might have done. And I don't know again I wasn't there, but I just take a look at the play J boom eastern. How well he played down the backstretch and in the playoffs and how he gave kinda him in prank. Oh that role. You, you call a guy into your office. And you say, hey listen, this is your job. We need you to do this, and you're just like who. And I just remember when I first started fighting, my first year junior, I didn't really know when to go out and get in the fight them and not to my coach be like, hey, go get number two. I was tough already. But now I have a mission sent by my boss by coach by my mentor. This guy's gonna get his ass. And there's a there's another. Level. When you get an opportunity to have a coach that gets on a personal level and asks, you on an individual basis and explain to you what he needs from you and I just look at the change over in the players, and how that works, and I've been on teams were coaches of done that. And I think that I think that he really got on a personal level with these guys and said, hey, we've got the team to do this if we put in the right effort, and if we do it the right way, and I think that, that's a has a lot to go with it. Well, he already had respect. All right. Go on. And look what he did games guy played thousand games as, as a fourth line tough not. He didn't penalty kill them power play just grind in your face. A stick up for my containing. You wanna hit. Let's go that kind of style. Just wears you out so much. So we already has respect a thousand games three thousand penalty minutes. I mean that's already there. But then how do you like present yourself to guys like how do you do some guys? Yeah. You know, sometimes you do. Sometimes he does have a calm demeanor about himself. And I think that he doesn't need to be raw raw twenty four seven. He knows when to do right before game. He knows when to do it a couple times here and there when, when things are going bad, but he's, he's pretty chill. But he's a quiet cool. You know, just keeps it, you know, just a cool manner to himself, and he keeps the door open like Pete, the bore stuff like beat the. When we coach me he wasn't very personal at all. I mean at very just just just straight lined. He he'd get pissed here and there, but whose hard to talk to who sorta hard talking to if I went to his room, I just it just leave. And I'm like. I'm still confused, and that sucks. It's already dominated enough as a young guy. Going to get on an elevator. Well, coach. Only guys play for how many do play for giving Larry Claude call Julian, I played for Pat Byrne for a little bit. Any Murray Davis pain beat the bore a missing somebody else there. But Ola merlot. So I got my juniors and growing up to like this. Is this a lie and I, I could pick out a couple before talk was fucking awesome. Ask coach. Oh, four lockout your he was great with me. Some guys are awesome. I could like I if I felt comfortable going your your room like in, in them explaining me here campus. Just keep the puck whatever whatever was it just made you feel so much more comfortable on the ice in practice every. But if I didn't have that vibe with them, then I'm like you always thinking always thinking, and where's, where's you out? So Craig brewery, we has that style were even talk to them like you're intimidated by him because he's can scary. But I'm like, I get what you're saying to me, even conversation. I going in walk with them on comfortable with you really nice little gesture that comparison between me and Lula Morello will be same people. It's the first time that comparisons. What about you Quenneville in? Did you get a taste of the kitchen era? I had, you know, Joel's fired in a year before last the lockout there. So he was far like in February March vote for right had kitchen for the rest of that year. And then I keep trying to blink on whom I coach was with my Cup of coffee and Chicago. It wasn't a Savard. It was a defense many played with blocks forever. Can't think of his name, but I lots of coaches, everybody does Greg Gobert coach me when I was in the minors, right off the bat. He was a Saint Louis for a long time. Steve blows the general managers, son, Larry, Larry close on. He coached me for a bunch of years. Looking at me. I can't remember all my coaches trigger something Campbell trick. But the reason why ugly is there. Is there a trait that you guys go yet, this is something that I feel like every guy in the league really appreciates in a coach? Or is it a case by case basis, because while Deboer may be will using him as an example. He's clearly been successful, even though he's maybe has a less personable approach than much. Okay. And I mean I many times like Chuck, I feel like chase Senate as well. Quin view of us coach I ever played for you know award. You, you know. You know, I like coaches that. He didn't reward me so. Well, he played seventy nine hundred eighty two games in my third year a second league and fights and penalty minutes. I had like two goals, and four assists. I had a pretty decent little year, and it was a was a third year in a contract. And it was never healthy scratchy entire season. I was spending for three games. I was my year to fifty plus minute games. I had a radio ad. They were signed me. Thank you know, but I didn't get the play in the playoffs that year shit did I earned pluck and talk. I earned we talk about the four season. Oh, two or three three loss. Three one. You got sick. You guys. Remember flights loaded that year though to everybody wanna play. But. Four point was wasn't loaded. Who was it was like me Tyson Nash Ryan Johnson Jacob block shots. Like I didn't RJ. I didn't want him on the lineup. I get it. But I really he's a wheeling. What they needed to do that he had a girl for news, though ran our show that year and actually hit L MacInnis, MacInnis shirt, and they put L McInnis in as the seventh offense been only draft. And I'm like you need to go out and beat the crap. And again you can't you can't just send a tough guy out there in the playoffs. But if they would've given me two or three shifts period, against Auburn to Petisi, the might have been the difference maker got. After I. Talk to job after when he was at the Blackhawks, what's the kid's name that's from here late him this damn couple bowling better? A new poll MU was that's bullshit, shot bull shit. He wasn't a good skaters. I was oh not even close or tough. I mean you would have beat him up. I think at that point he wasn't that much better hockey player to get eyesight dude jewelry. You'll learn from me. He most learn for bandy only half bomb dropped on here. So creek more even more. Ray. I didn't mean reward like give Lucy playoff time. High do. I said, I want my only regret the NHL blue in the chalice and oath three. If you're in there, I think so the parade would like to million. Reward, like, Joel, if you guys are playing great was going to take it on a Scottsdale and give you an extra day there or stuff like that. And he would and I heard early Joel always always like it was the best. And even if we had a good effort like Saturday night, because Joel, especially during football season, Joel love the Rams and love going down to the Rams games. So we always knew it was time at home to play great on Saturday night because we were having Sunday off, even if we had Tuesday gave we were still Sunday. It was it was like Bing, Bing. You know, it'll things go along way like that one are laughing say about coaching is if I make a little on the wall that might not look like it's anything special. But dammit, I put my stick in the right spot. I kicked it up myself, and I made a little place for the guy didn't have to slow down a lot of great won. The battle, you can ice Pat me on the asp comfort me. Me arrest me, arrest me on New Jersey. You don't even though like I wanna know that you saw that. And so, like I love coaches they want to say. AM fifty five new. So is this thing starts getting going in January? I mean is it is simple as they got a goaltender. There's gotta be a hell of a lot more to that. But your, your eyes open up, like I know, you know, well, when you have a goaltender and he's making that, that third rebound save that kicks out to the wall. And also, you got momentum to the other way, rather than than putting buried on you, and otherwise, like flooded. I mean momentum is such a big thing in hockey even crazier about what Bennington did is you got a shuttle it in his first game against the Philadelphia Flyers. And everybody's like the savior is. Right after one shut on. And he just kept doing the same thing. You know, giving us no emotion until obviously the prayed chill motion there. He showed motion through the way he just showed in different ways absolute whole areas kid that really didn't ever have nervousness to him. And and but you know you commit and you have those kinds of numbers through that winning streak in through the rest of the season like he did and have it so successful right off the bat. That that's huge. That's huge everybody to see him, just become cool, and collected back there. It makes everybody also there does that much better. But no, it's, it's a coaching change. It's Larry Robinson. It's him. It's the players making the commitment. There's a there's it's a perfect storm for that for, for for you to be the worst team in the National League on January third and end up winning game seven Stanley Cup on your damn right about that. I mean, it's, it's an ESPN thirty for thirty waiting with yours. Sports for thirty. But, but the thing I remember sure you guys have all said it amongst yourselves. I know guys have said it when I when I would be around on doing television or just bullshit with guys on the podcast. The radio show. Well, yeah he's a goal. You know what kind of fucking weird and you go, what does that mean and I had paying here one time? And he goes, the reason why I think people say that as at some point at, like five six or seven years old, you have to go. Sure, I'll stand in there and have people fire pucks at me. You gotta be a little fucked up in order to, to do it. But you know going back to your team. I don't know if you were you around for the Turk era. I was the President's Cup team. My first year was the conference loss to Colorado. All right. Oh, one so Turk. And he had a great series against Alice when you guys saying. Then he was offer nine days and, and just. Bush. And run on that just start for game five. I recall seeing Glenville in the, the, the bowels of the Pepsi center and talking about the, the goalie change for that one. But the that goalies would be a different kind of personality, but Bennington takes it to another level. And I can't tell it's like performance art like he's doing it and it's like it's like you'll see them like make like one of those comments like petro maroon just start laughing because they're like this guy's crazy or he's busy planning. He's playing a game. He's one hundred percent. We all did in a way the game. And, and he's doing a great in the reason why it's working because he was phenomenal if he was. He's an asshole don't wrong beginning when he started doing that. The organization was like, oh, this turn really weird and these can go sour, but the reason why goalies are put in that situation. Yeah, they're weird. But world weird. There's so many forwards and we're coming. Come on. But they're just in their own their own their own person on the team. So they do different warm ups, they kind of separated. So they're kind of like often a little one to themselves because their goalie everybody else is doing the same shit on the ice go. He's got to do. So they're already typecasting different way. And then, you know, of course, you gotta be weird to do it anyway. But I think it's more like they're just kinda separated. That's separated kind of from everybody else. Nobody else could talk about stuff. You see go? He's head down locker room. I mean my favorite one for sure was when the reporter referred to Jim Montgomery, and he said who's Montgomery? Coach. The Dallas star. You, do you think he knew Shiri for sure? I don't know come on be living under a rock. Jim montgomery. Looks like this. Why is he asking about the other? Why asking me about Jim Montgomery? So that would confuse me for a second and then he's just trying to. But I think that he does know who I think that that's his message is, why are you asking me about that? It's the same thing when the shot bad goal in game six. Yes. Six. Did you watch it to see a bounce? Yeah. Should I? You saw what do you want me to do it, right? The way that even respond to, to almost kind of embarrassed. The other guys. You know what though? Great, you know what sometimes comes off like that. But did you see him in that damn parade? Hugging crowd surfing, kissing babies writing a writing like slowdown lowdown slowdown. Do you even know how to ride one of those damn things? Dangerous of his interaction with all the fans like it's just like he's cool cat. So let play the game. It's great for hockey is great entertainment. Great for us. Schick, God one liners, baby day you to holy. But see him his other side hugging kissing come at me grow. I don't give a damn I'm with the people and for the people. And that was awesome. Not just standing on their way, even Hulo him, you know. No, no, no. I'm interacting with all you guys. You guys were there support me so pretty cool by him. He's the man is this thing starts heading down the stretch, and the blues are clearly gonna make the playoffs now. It's just a matter of the seed, and they wind up in the three, but they could have gone up in the top seed in the central you guys have either been apart of or seen Blue's teams are over the last X amount of years that have come in with some momentum in the Western Conference, final team, and sixteen the western comets final team that you were part of in two thousand one did this one seemed different or you like it automatically reader you in the same with question, really both like even the team, obviously, we were confident going into into San Jose that year because I'm about sixteen. I'm talking about a one. Okay. Okay. Okay. President seven-game. Why are you orgasm? It wasn't. It wasn't great about the two thousand presidents trophy to buckle. Yeah. Yeah. That was revenge over here. But I was saying that it was we were confident that we believe we can make the NHL as I look back on. And then I look back on, you know, the blues run and sixteen and even any of the teams in between that at no time that I ever feel like these guys have something here. Right. Believe in themselves so much, I ask Chuck about that. And he said back in that time and a one he goes, it was like three or four teams could win the Cup. And we just kind of knew it, you know it was the avalanche. The Red Wings the devils, scars yeah. And that's that's it. And so we were up against one of those teams and Forsberg head went appendicitis or something. The vancouver. Sierra. And they were down him. And then Patrick wa just was put them on the back Jill. Sack was so good. And they add Rob Blake. They still after their defense was Ray Bork, Rob Blake and Adam Foote just sit Adams. They were so disgusting. But you know, in, you know, we just I think we had a good team to just needed a goaltender at that point in time again, go back to the goaltending thing. Right. If remarkable plays the way he should and could might have been a different series four. Maybe it helps you guys Turk was out of his mind. I we were texting about this. So we're on that we texting shoulder and this is different like we blues alumni group tax. Yeah. Like that hockey guy throwing loved hockey guys through all Saint Louis that we all kind of skate with guys all play at different levels throughout it. But we all are kind of cool. We've got guys played high school hockey away. The guys played NHL. There's some guys that were real high level hockey players in the Saint Louis area that played college and stuff together a good time. It's theme was like this just feels different really paying that much. Oh, yeah. Big time. Really go back on the like I. Well, i've. A couple of draft guy picked Boston Saint-Louis finals really before the, the playoffs even started. Yeah. I just felt it man. I'm like, this is something can sit with more about the Eastern Conference X people like, well, you know, whether it be the caps beyond what Tampa had done. Did you guys see because people talk about Tampa was this in Calgary was this kind of example, saw independent Hampton that power, they weren't gonna win. That's all they were power play. I mean boss was that way too. But I think Boston just veteran loaded and they're just on a roll. Bruce, Bruce Butch Cassidy was a, a great coach. Although he said some stupid things in the finals are bitching about things here and there, but some. He's a great coach and they got char. I mean they got chore marshawn guys that just know how to battle and get on your. Guys in that team that had already won the Stanley Cup what twice in the last one. I'll go and thirteen lead there. I'll tell you what at the beginning of this static of finals was, you know, talking to different people and on the air, and I said, somebody asked me the question, you know, how do you what do you do with Marsh? And, and I said, the best thing, the blues can do with Shanta specially after he got under the hurricane skin. So bad is just completely ignored don't stand there. Don't give him the opportunity to lick your face. He comes near you go away because he plays the game at such a high level. And but he also has this antagonistic level that he plays at such a high game that I wasn't sure. Because I'd never saw him play at a high level without having that almost Spurs him railing almost needs in order to in order to feed himself. And the blues took that away from. And I think that was one of the big reasons why is they just said, listen. You're you. We have the ability to make you a non in this series by just Norring you and not allowing you to get us. And eventually, you're gonna get to yourself and you're going to be. In your own head because you're not going to be playing at the level, you want to because we didn't give you this that to a t and he was he was looking at the second goal in in in game seven what the hell was he doing what was he doing off the ice? Like, again, he was he like lays couldn't have done that any better than they did. And so there's that's a huge thing when he talked about a guy that has been a game changer in a Stanley Cup finals before another thing that screwed Boston over a little bit was we're a plan, and we're playing San Jose. We had to be on our game. Boy, what you wanna give PP go stale fucking box. We, let's hit do it the right way. Get them. We, we played San Jose hardcore team that could beat us if we weren't on our game like no other they had to go against Carolina. I love Carolina fine. Whatever whatever they had to go against Carolina. They went through some week week. I mean, my got they didn't have that the series words. Like these guys are really, really pushing us in and, and they just I don't they were down three to the leave. Yeah. Yeah. That was that was good. They played well. And then they had Carolina kind of breeze seventy winning streak thing against blue released. Agrees. I didn't touch them. They were bang up there. They played hard but they didn't. They didn't have Justin Williams batch to home. I, why say Kay. On his skin. To see. The other thing about the blues that one of the reasons why felt so good about them before the playoffs started was. I watch these games go to all of them. I watch them on the road when the blues loss they beat themselves who's won. They won means the other team. And I seen that night in night out when they lost a game it was because they didn't do something. They didn't have to go in to a game worrying too much about what the other team had to do as long as they played their game. And they were called Nissen of what the other team had and made sure that they played a smart game and make sure that they were doing their thing. They, they were good. And so that also made me really confident about the blues, their ability to dictate what happens in a game, whether they win or lose their dictating. There are defining moments over the course of the two month run. And one of them that I would sight now they go to on Winnipeg, then they lose the two at home and now it's game five and you're going into the third period and you're down to nothing in that Bill that game in and there is a shot. Of and I don't recall it was you guys probably do the Puck's go and pass Bennington, and it's a jets forward. Who we learn was a Wheeler who then who as it's going, and it would have been three nothing. Look that happens losy when we're we don't skate for three weeks. And we go out there and you try to do some, and you're about to get that shot off, and you and you shoot it, and you kind of go under it, and then you realize you kinda go back with your stick, and you hit the puck back. That's exactly what it was the weirdest thing the world. I know sounds goofy. But that happens. Sometimes try to buck the puck bounce on. You, you, you your reactions to get back over on the other side of the puck. So you knock it in it, just happens so damn fast. It was the weirdest thing. Any clear the book way and he's like what the fuck I do. It's three ninety two. More engines, it's three nothing. That's what I was about to say, and that's against the jets. This wasn't like a CB J or Carolina situation. Instead, the blues Tiet, it seems like it's inevitably going to overtime and then Schwartz because of a bad escape late. Yes. User from inner was supposed to go on the ice. If you remember that play they hearts for check by somebody or something, and kicks than forty seconds, left and Rico's change raised integrates chain because the Steelers function escapes Posey gets out, who's a right handed shot. So the only way he can get that shot. That quick is picking up on the wall in the right hand side with a right handed shot and you just turns, and fires on that, and Schwarzie this. And goes right in you're like, oh my God. Three to what we've all that game in the for the series because they reached up and ripped the word pagan the next night or game six I should say. So that's how they were they were just I mean I think there was a period where it was like one point I think they had to shots and entire period. I mean it was just. You run every single team that the blues played against at one point in time in third period. Second period or entire game dominated the point. Like I remember the game seven of, of the conference final, the shots, thirty seven to three in the second and third period. Unbelievable bishops student head right game seven of the of the second round. I was going next with defining moments. And. Yeah. So there was a moment where they just dominated that other team to the point where it was just like he had known who who's beat my ass do wonder people say we'll minimum is only, you know it's isolated but you do I felt like had carried over from Winnipeg to game six and Saint Louis. The blues dominated great team and they're down three two after really disappointing game four game five performance against Alice on Friday night. They go down to Dallas. They win that game and absolutely dominated. The only reason Dallas on the board. Puck goes off a skate on Peron's attempt to get it out of there. And it's one, one that goes over overtime is blues fans. I don't know what you guys are feeling. You're going. Oh my God. This is the way it's going to go down yet again. Absolutely played the fuck out of these guys, and they're gonna lose over tenant. There was one moment in this entire place where I kind of felt a little bit nervous about where the blues were at. And it only happened once it was that game seven where they dominated them note, shot them thirty to thirty seven to two or three or what. Whatever it was. And they were going into overtime. And all I could think about was, this is the story kicked her all game you let them stay game when someone's gonna shove it up your ass, and on, honestly, like happened with. What we were standing in rain or sweet and case, third videotape in and I got on the enterprise. Joe him literally like embarrassing tiger cat 'cause it's got that concrete. Next. Yeah. That was have been dump the puck. It takes. It takes weird bounce or the rapper the right goodness. And you're like, okay the bishops gonna steal this game. He didn't the moment. I mean, to me, it's like people talk about when it comes to the cardinals and two thousand eleven world championship game seven was a little anticlimactic game six and for me. The actual best win was a second round win in the emotion of Pat maroon sending the blues to the Western Conference finals in a game where you're going. Oh my God. This is this is it. I mean, this is this organization is hanging in the balance on what happens in the overtime, and they get it in a double overtime victory where they were dodging bullets. Like you're talking about in the first overtime where it was the weird puck and sent in. Or was it bent on the wrap around? There's some wrap around a couple of them actually Bennington on the wrap around. They had Jamie been on, on the on the on the wrap around and his aegis, he couldn't talk it tight enough and bidding. I mean. Right there. It's just you can't you can't draw that we're overtime. The best game was Robert howse incredible. That series line was both Tom and Patty first two rounds. Those guys were great and bit. Well Thomas hand and the wrist or whatever was the stories though now and heard, but you know that line was what I love about this whole thing and it's the Stanley Cup run. This is what happens. But there's a there's a every single guy in that team had a moment. You're he contributed to it in a way that I'm them like. I mean, forget about it guys. The lineup that are helping to you look at Sammy, boy, and game six in Boston or in, in Dallas when he got slapshot brew pulls up at the breakaway. Lights it up over the goal tender's gonna call. Governance. Agree on that. Also. Oh, god. He's having time he was a big factor. Huge big factor in this whole that maroon goal where you guys had your video Cam that I guess you may be would've black staying. I'm like, oh, Jesus Murphy. Let me see that. Thousand or more. I mean, that was that was euphoria. Yes. And then it's like it's the sharks again. You know. And you have that game three and that one was different in the sense that they had outplayed, the hell out of them after coming back out of the deficit outplayed, the hell out of them, but they score that game tying goal after all the icing with about a minute left. And then you just have the bad feeling that something's going to happen like game seven against Dallas. And then sure enough, it does. But it happens on a play that, that should have been whistled the goals should've never counted, the hand pass. And I swear to you, I'm looking at Carlson Thornton who is the other one burns there in the press conference, and they're kinda laughing about it. You know, Carlson's those all this is, you know, tainting hockey and understanding of myself, somehow, the boys are going to become aware of this, and there's going to be like, you know what fuck these guys we've outplayed them to the three games really only one game one 'cause they had a bunch of giveaways. 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But that's what I thought, I'm like they're gonna be like, okay BOC these air, laughing about how they won this game, Bach them the re you know, how I knew they're going to be okay is when Craig ruby Peron, and I believe those comb Prego came out in the press conference that game and in bitch, one time, verbis, now we're going to next to your front, although you could tell he's fuming. Fuming Prado's fuming, like no more. Okay. What do you what do I think that it is what it is? We're going to. And that, like, yeah, they're going, they're on, and that, and that, right. There is is, is probably, you know, if they're Rob's doesn't have a hand in that surprised just now his mentorship meant to this team. But that's Craig ruby saying walks in goes boys. In the first place. So we were in it, and we got screwed. I guess one shut the hell up quote there do what you gotta say out there and get your ass ready for meanwhile, after the blues beat the shit out of the sharks. Sunday afternoon game at the shark tank game sees game five. Deboer comes out, and he was these whining about a lack of calling, and I thought, well, you look out ruby handled three and how. And I'm like that sends a message, I think I know. And I was very surprised already had some bullshit calls already with the with the Vegas got the four power play goal. So what do you think outside? Yeah. No one feels sorry for you, man. Well. Yeah. And the blues ran those guys in games. It wasn't even a sweat after that after that hand passed goal and just the way that happened at the press conference next day like the blues and they literally beat them into submission. There was three of their major their best players that weren't even in the Ryan for the tune even travel. I know they all left the third period, and I was doing channel five that night with Bobby player. And we're all like we heard four guys aren't coming up at third period like whoa. I didn't know they all got hurt so or like is he saving them? We're like what and we were talking about that, where they all they're all injured Sammy player killed somebody Barbie killed somebody somebody else killed, and they're all the they couldn't can fish game that it's like you walk in that locker room and you see your four big boys out there like for your big dogs and they can't even finish third period. You walk in that room like, oh, this ain't going, right? Is a tough one tough one. The rebound from they ship the sharks. And now it sets up the Bruins and so. So many things take place over the first five games. But the one that stood out and I felt like we're going to bitch about the hand pass. We've gotta talk about the no call on Bosak Cam, you said TIMMY to cares as part of the game. We talked about it the morning after that game. And I just felt like it's my obligation to the audience. Okay. If we're going to bitch, about the blue getting banged on the hand pass. I feel like it's the Bruins got banged on that call and I worried that they would respond in game six the blues responding to game four against the sharks after the hand pass. What were your guys thoughts on the Bosak? No calling on the Peron goal. That comes seconds after it was a hundred percent. Apparently, I mean they felt that way as well. Oh, yeah. For sure. Oh. That both legs. Over the. Yeah but they gave up on the play to. They gave up stay down and try to get in early. Got mauled preparing awesome play to kind of keep the puck alive, and he could pass and kept it kind of going. But he held on, like no, I take step here and threw it on that. And he threw it on that, again, to get that wouldn't make save their make. So I say who cares because I didn't care about the hand pass. I'm mike. Yeah, that's not good. But fuck you messed up. Like, come on. So that's how I looked. So that's why I say that. And I said, who cares? Because you said I don't wanna win like this. I don't want it to win like. Think about eighty five royals in Kansas City fans, I think are so Pissy as because they want on a table call. And so one thing about game seven that's so great blue beat them into submission. So it's like officiating. Exactly. Right. So that's why I was talking about if they do win this thing, I don't want to be like, well they won. But you know so that's why I hear you. So then it carries I didn't carry over. Do you think do you think that carried over to you? I don't think anything carried over the one thing that I really noticed about these playoffs more than I have any others. Is that the momentum swings that were internally from game to game didn't carry over from in inside period, period? And why Manta match turn over from game to game like you'd see a beating one run team in the Camotes. They're kicking their virtually sometimes of really going into this game like it was it was the chess matches that, that came in. And again, that is all due to the parody in this league now with the salary cap and salary based on the competitiveness that all these teams have to have now and I just don't feel like with the, the home-ice advantage is such a big deal anymore. All the rings have great set dressing rooms, you know, back in the day, when the barn and all the old rink had crappy visitor dressing rooms and they could turn the hot water off. In the heat up in there will get you. Roggio, prison shower, they, they. I just direct spray. Like an inch. And sucks. There suck house. Beautiful new building now. But I'm going I'm game six. I gotta be in the building. You know, it's expensive as hell, but I gotta be in the building. There's a chance that the blues are gonna lift the Cup and I'm telling you, I don't know how you guys felt but in that second intermission, I'm sitting there and it was like the lights were kind of in a different spot. And it was like a murmur, like before a concert would start like a half hour before concerts. Aren't people just had that on ease like, oh my God? We thought tonight was going to be the biggest party and Saint Louis history. And then that and be all my God. They gotta now win this thing up in game seven oh, my guy was gutted leaving that building that. Co pissed. I not pissed, but I was disappointed played disappointed. I everybody wanted that moment. Everybody. And, and I appreciate all the Saint Louis blues fans classy and not going out and doing a bunch of stupid stuff in the city, just like I appreciate them in the parade and all the other times throughout the this season, where they've gone out and party clean. And but at the end of the day was, it was a moment where we were like, Ooh, I knew. We knew. Not only because I. That got everybody on edge fast. And, and then you started thinking, so no matter how competent you were leading all the up to this different team feels different different. It didn't feel different after that it felt like bad things we're going to happen again, and we're going to be somewhat would want to call a curse what you wanna call it but it's going to happen again. We're going to go up there and we're gonna lose game seven, and we're going to start over, and that's the part that guy was legitimately worried. And I'm not gonna lie to you. Like I have competence, these guys off guaranteed a win. Catch. Real. It's like he's coming clean on that. Win on multiple platform. You're on our show, your camel axe. I was worried a Michael. I was I was all day. I was I for three days. Straight was. I went up there and we will, and it just heading Zaidi can't was worried because I from day one like I'm like these guys are going to they're going to talked to they're going to get their heads on straight. They've done it before. They've had bad beats before, and they always come back in the one guy that even comes back even more is. Right now. Just pisses me off, because I love rhino Riley, and actually talked to him at our Friday night deal for twenty minutes. It's really the first time I've ever got the talk. Sweet guys any better than this. But how in the hell after some of those saves that Bennington made not only in the first ten minutes of that first period. But the rest of that game does that guy the guy played them too. Ask siri. Wait them for two games to bed gay. Okay. Foot the blues don't win the Stanley Cup Jordan bidding without shit. They get they get one with rhino Riley, Ronald Riley was actually had broken ribs for two series and was kind of a non factor in the face off nothing against them. Right now the boost win the Stanley Cup tour and bidding. I hear you and they don't win the Stanley Cup if he does stand on his head for the ten minutes. Book. Three. Fuck four by the fact that the blues Budo, if he had a moment where that was to one and made three rock-solid saves, like he did in the Winnipeg series different store. He would con-. You're right. I agree with you on that. Also had what seven every goal? We. Final. Had eight or whatever he was Cup finals. I've. I know I'm just letting you know it wasn't. It was a hard decision, but I can look at it both ways and to rescue to one that, that thing too, if you would often wins that game. So it's like so their thought process going in actually interest, doc Emmerick on the morning of game seven he was getting regardless, that I asked him, I said, for ask win, even if the blues winners, Rascon Smyth because no goes I keep an eye on Ryan Riley. And I felt like oh, that the narrative is already been set up. He knows something that he said that didn't mention Bennington as well. Have more of a probably more of a presence of what happens in that actual finals more than what happens, even though it's tournament trophy. But I still for me that I was I was shocked and worse case scenario and I don't even know if they've ever done it before. But that's a great opportunity, especially with how team United these guys were where you could give co trophy regarding those I, I don't know what it was. Well, the first three minutes, the blues look good, and then all hell broke loose for the next fourteen minutes. I'm sure the ice contributed to because they were just uncharacteristic giveaways. I don't know how much was nerves and then would Bennington did. Oh my God. Yeah. We've seen the chicken pick my. Well, he just sees it. He's able to he could just he sneaky, man. He's he's Gumby. But yeah, we're we're all watching that, first period up in the press box, which Boston's like a shit hole. Sorry. Sorry, not to sit in a new race dump and the worst place built that they'll look trust sucks. The media, like where the building actually random. It's at least you go up the sneaky ram. Out of the puck in place. The so upstairs three deep looking over everything, and I'm right next to all the players were all standing in front of all the media, the players had nowhere to sit. It was just a cluster fuck, and, and so they were getting peppered so bad, and I'm looking like Bill Bill Armstrong and all scouts and everything and all the players and it's just like every the emotions amplified because you're you're around the guys are going to be hosting this thing or not hoisting, and deal with it afterwards. It was a weird setup in a world. But they got freaking peppered in that first period. And then they go down at score dirty going. I mean I don't I think they had only had one shot up until yes, the O'Reilly goal disa- tip. They, they cleaned up. They go down there. They go kick up to the point kick it wide throwing the front rows go go and tip that bad, boy, where I three lakes now too, because like son of been, what does that do? The Boston bench. Absolutely deflate was even worse was the goal second goal with Marchand right here. Seven seconds. I'm telling you right now. You always talk about never letting goal in the last minute, let alone the last ten seconds, especially with how Boston played that period and had that one and that one was seven seconds. They went into the dressing room the second pair goal what? Yeah. How did this how did this happen? How are we here right now? And this never get back on top inner he was there. He was a force, and he's my concert, and even retin, they didn't even threaten the rest of realized they gotta go, but they didn't even like it was the analogy. I've used a Floyd. Mayweather fight in the second and third period, it was just like it was just like a point system. It's just like okay, you're going to do this. We're going to try again. We're just gonna counter, and there was just nothing. They are you bore. Yes or you come out of what we're going to keep it simple and do this. We'll him in a little bit and do this. But we're not gonna get too crazy knows gonna try to one on one toe drag. Like I did this morning times. That no one's which. Tarasenko was getting the puck deep so that they had come to hundred feet. Yes. Core goal. If you hit mattering they had nothing they were still in the tax. They're still aggressive. But if they had nothing inside the Blair part, they're part of the red line in Boston's blue line. They got that puck deep. They did a good job keeping away from Toco he can play the puck. Well, but they made the Boston Bruins come two hundred feet per every single time, and that's so hard to do so hard to do when you're trying to generate some some momentum and some some energy for your team, and your great transition team and your great on the attack have to go all the way back, don't pick it up trying to perfect road game when you're up by two perfect. They were awesome and everyone all second goal because there's highlight reel of the Tarasenko to Shan is sick. But the Petra Angelo goal with seven seconds left. Sealed. Exactly. Exactly right. Stop the game cash their chips. And when the moment happens and the boys are jumping all over each other, and it's now official the Saint Louis blues have won a Stanley Cup your experience. What, what were you doing? What were you thinking? What were you feeling what was going on? Each one of you can't wait to hear. Well, I you're on the clock. I was there with, with Rene not Franken everybody while I was up there doing the some waiting, and I'm looking down from the press box, and I'm seeing tro with the sparks in the background hoisted, and I'm like, and it was my son bizarre on price before. But I don't care reminded me of two thousand fifteen N H L two thousand fifteen when I went on career mode, and I take the blues and I always stack I made my own character on there really Genesee. They're not really know PlayStation. Fordham whatever I would I would win because I. I haven't played since Sega lettuce at the end when you win stories to same thing. Like I been there you there. The chalice. But that's what looked like. And I'm like this isn't real. It wasn't real. Now it is. It's, it's kind of we've been we've always the Cup and stuff. But at the time, I'm like this is fake. Look fake. I did you get a motion? Yeah. I did do Braehead like a job to do. So I wanted to kind of, like, you know, I still get on TV there. I'm like, I, I got to be somewhat normal. I don't wanna look back on this. Oh my God. I'm so corny. You know, I wasn't emotional this vis for cams a little different for me. He was working and I was drinking. But for me, I didn't become a sailor's blues fan until nineteen Ninety-six. And I've learned the history of the blues and what they've done and haven't done through being part of the team. And being a part of the lung nine whatever else for me. I just want I was going to stay at my house, and then my buddy Tim that owns top shooters. Got these golf, simulators, I'm like good looking chicks. Oh. No, they don't get looking too. But I'm like you can watch TV thing. He's like, yeah. I'm all right. Said at table up balking off. So we get there. He had to sign mate, read lows hosting party. He went all out he Larry's he's the best guy. So anyways, I'm they're my family and some friends. They're hanging out drinking. You know, we're nervous. I ten minutes and these guys are coming out fire and then the two goals and everyone's freaking out the bars pack we're going crazy. And then it starts to dwindle down times going, and, you know, you're going to win it, and I'm watching that last fifteen seconds. As the camera pans back and forth, the bow the boys are starting to jump up and down on the bench. I get shivers thinking like this is going to really happen like the blues good with the Cup of than they did. And then I just stood there and just kind of took in the way, everybody was acting. And I'm just like, man, you know, for me, somebody that's only been here for part of this organization for twenty five years, and, or twenty three years, and for all of these people that are in this bar that have been wanting this moment for their entire life to be celebrating it for me. It was cool just to stand back and watch the city that I love celebrate. Maybe one of the greatest for me, the greatest sports moment and say Louis history, the, the reaction. Is and it saying something, and I'm not I don't think it's prisoner. The moment, I don't think in ten years old go, God, I can't believe I said that the reaction to the blue Stanley Cup went in two thousand nineteen I've can remember to cardinal world championships. Two thousand six hundred eleven too. Young for eighty two is greater than the cardinals winning the World Series in a city like Green Bay with football. That is synonymous with baseball. It's the hockey team that brought out this kind of emotion. You guys have any, I mean you wore the note, do you have any ideas to why you think that is, I think there's more hockey fans and you think too, I really do and maybe not hockey fans, but blues fans, I think people grew that grew up here, whether they go to a ton of games or not. But they still understand what the blues of gone through perhaps an in story in how the ups and downs and a lot of downs a lot like dreadful down, and whether they're big fan or not. You're still part of that living in the city. So I think everybody kinda came together on that whether you're a huge blues fan or not. You're still part of it. You. Still seeing what organization has gone through for so long for so long and then the build up in the way it happened just it just was perfect. I mean I mean it wasn't it wasn't. We gained six perfect. Okay. Maybe but game seven is perfect in my mind because it's just never that easy, easy for organization and never has been. But I think just the city as a whole came together. And everybody understands the journey that this organization's gone through to get to this point. And I that's why the reaction wasn't the way it was. I think when you look at the blues and the fans they've always kind of been the secondary love because the cardinals have been here forever. This is a baseball town, but it was a, it's a huge secondary love and whenever the blues weren't doing what the fans want them to do. They always had the cardinals in two thousand six in eighty two thousand six and two thousand eleven they they're always competitive for a team that's you know mid market, deem. They're always top. They're always challenging for it. And I think when you take a look at what happened with the blues. It's, it's a little bit more. The fifty three years. Both the three loss in the standing of finals, you know, Boston, you know, all the things that happened with, you know, the Jack's club night warriors, and then just the coaching change and a team coming together. Yeah. Leyla, you know, you take a look the last time, more Branagan played was in Boston on January or July something two thousand four and the blues that a chance to win in Boston, you know, so many years later, and I think it's the story that comes along with it. At think it's the fact that there was zero belief halfway through the season that this was actually going to happen. Never happened in hockey before. I'm not even sure if it's happening sports to be that far down. And so it's just that story and, again, the blues fans have been let down so many times, and there was multiple different opportunities for examining let them down again and it never happened, including shitting, the bed and game going into Boston and winning again. Just made it storybook and made it, you know, something like you said, they're going to write movies about this thing. They're going to have TV shows about this thing. And so that's for me whites the greatest moment in Saint Louis sports history. Just because the way that it all happened the way that all transpired. And it's something that these fans that their little their little differently saying. Blue's crazy crazy why they love the tough guys. It's a super I'm super excited for everybody in St Louis that gets enjoy this, because, like I said, it's, it's unbelievable moment, and I'm still kind of like, wow, this really happened we got we were able to to benefit from, you know, some of the gory to toy making out of the Cup. Do you know whatever I made out with? I made Cam, I know that a little, I took a c-pack afterward. The first time that Mike. Kate witness to this your shoes. Fine with that was on your list. And shannon. Look at you like. Joined the hell out of it was great ship. The fact that you felt like you I was going to have to get in the middle of it. And I think that would have gone. Well, well. Really get at it all the consummate this on. I loved it. Great shit Camry. Thank you very much shit. So there it is. Cam, Janssen, read, low little that I know as we wrap that interview up gangster, Pete was emotional gangster, Pete. You are in the home, loan expert dot com studios with me. I sought out of the corner. My I, I wasn't sure what I saw you later confirmed that you were indeed emotional. What part got you going? It was just to see some guys that put in a lot of blood sweat, and tears in the organization, and how cited they were about what happened and you always hear about how the athletes don't care as much as the fans do will this is an example, where a couple athletes did care. Absolutely hockey hockey hockey is the exception to that rule. Absolutely hundred percent. I've said that way before I you know, had this emotional attachment of the blues, I now do. And then I think, you know, used to go God, I'll hockey regular season about to start up Shanley Cup just ended. Now we got. To act like this crap matters. I'm not still not changing my opinion the regular season. It's unfortunate, but it is whatever you know, but my excitement my who's Yasim me looking forward to watching them play. Even if it is kind of, like, you know crap shoot once you get in. I, I can't wait for it. I have a greater appreciation become ten times the fan of the game that I was going into the Winnipeg series and love it. And I would imagine, I hope it's the case. Maybe I'm over shooting. And I don't think so that you enjoy this conversation. I'm talking about you, the listener with Cam Janssen, reload is one of those things where it's like I'm here, and I guess I'm moderating it, but I was completely unnecessary. And if I could have snuck out behind read, I probably just want to let them go, and it would have been better. I loved it love that conversation. It was exactly what I hoped. It would be, and then what the Kansai thing, and I gotta tell you something I kind of agree with read. I don't know. I mean 'cause his whole thing is they win the Cup without awry, -ly. They don't want it with how Bennington I'm not necessarily sure about that, because I think it's undervaluing Riley's greatness and may be focusing in part when he was really dealing with the cracked rib, and was just like losing face off after face off and people just like something's wrong. So I don't know. I but, but yeah, having watched that quest for the cop on ESPN. Plus, I cannot recommend enough to you. Have you watched Pete? No, I want all my guys. It'll be a mess. You'll be an absolute mess. It's incredible. But it's just a reminder, not that people ever forget, actually what bidding did in the first period, in particular. But even when they're up to nothing and I think it was the save on Nordstrom what Jordan bidding did in that game. And then you know you see the angle of the game six knuckle one going. Yeah. Crappy, as it looked, that's probably gonna beat a lot of NHL goalies. You know the I don't know. I don't know. I, I don't know. Let me put it this way. Here's a theory if the Bruins don't score what essentially was cosmetic goal. I think Bennington has a much higher probability of winning the consummate, which is stupid, but I believe that to be the case if he pitches a shutout in the on the road in game seven of the Stanley Cup final. I think increases his chances of winning the const my exponentially, which is dumb because it's not like the goal they got was really. Event at the time that they got it. But it's kind of like Adam Wainwright, I think it was in two thousand nine he was going, he was on track to win twenty games and the bullpen blew left the game tennis ten years ago. I remember this super weird yet again in the bullpen blew it. He wanted putting nineteen and then Lynch come, I think when the Cy Young carpenter and Wainwright's split votes. And, and I really do believe the bullpen doesn't blow that Wainwright's twenty game winner. And then he wins the Cy Young stupidest, that is, I truly believe it so things like that can happen because it is a voted on by people. But either way just love those two going back and forth. Bout in the whole scheme of things. I don't know who really cares. I doubt Jordan Bennington really cares. I don't Ryan Riley really cares when it gets down to the bottom line is they have big trophy, and to relive that whole thing with two guys who know, kind of get some insight on some things, and she didn't know maybe going into it, and their passion for it. I love it was perfect. It was absolutely perfect. Those two to perfect so tip of the cap to Iggy against repeat for bringing them on board. 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Keith Yandle Scored While We Were Recording

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Keith Yandle Scored While We Were Recording

"You were not i. I was there then had to go. Tell the kids to be quiet downstairs. Plan fortnight other all right. So this'll be a quickie pod to get your week started right or get your week started with information and get a week started elliott friedman with a soap opera as record. This podcast right now. It is time stamp. Seven thirty eastern on sunday evening in the background by this year the chicago blackhawks and florida. Panthers are tied at bagels but in so far what has been the move of the night has been also the cheeky smile of the night as keith. Yandell had this voltairian smile on his face as he was introduced as a florida panther. What is to the best of your knowledge elliott the latest on panthers coronation street. Wow that's quite a reference. Excellent reference gore nation street. I married into a british family. What can i say. So what i think happened. Is i think the players got involved. This is me kind of unspools ruling. How all of this happened in my view. Let's go back to the return to play. Florida opened up against the islanders and they got their butts kicked up and they were terribly terribly disappointed in the way they played there. And there's been a general feeling that it's too easy for those guys in florida and they had to make it harder on the team. Increase the pressure on the team internally. Because there isn't as much pressure playing hockey in sunrise in the area and i think even the players themselves like i heard the exit meetings from the players. Were pretty honest. The oh were not good enough and they weren't just talking like we have to be better. We have to be tougher to play against. We have to be better defensively. Were simply not good enough. And i think that even some players and i don't think they ripped handler or anything like that but i think they said that they felt that he was one of the guys who had to be better all around game. They recognized his tremendous ability. He's a forty five point guy last year but they just felt that he had to be a better defensive player. And so you know. I think the new regime came in bill zito and they were gonna make life uncomfortable on the players and you know there was a wild rumor going around that the panthers might not even invite yandle the camp which obviously didn't happen but well before this happened. I know i wasn't the only reporter calling and asking is something up with yandle like even before this became public that he wasn't part of the main group. There were rumors going around that the panthers were going to make an example out of yandle and say that he's the first guy we're going to change the culture now obviously. They didn't uninvite him to camp. I don't even think you could do that anyway. But pretty quickly. He wasn't practicing with the main group and because he's got the fourth longest consecutive games played streak of all time. It's a story. It's the longest active one he can't catch doug jarvis this year but he's within ninety games of them and so it's a story and then you know once one reporter starts it other reporters start chasing it and the panthers are adamant they have never asked yandle to waive his no move clause and to george richards who covers them for florida hockey. Now yongle did say that. He said i've never been asked to waive my no move. But there's always this feeling like maybe you haven't asked but if a player is not gonna play maybe they're gonna come and say all right. I'm gonna do this. I'm going to give you a list of teams and everybody assumes with yandle that team that he would go to is boston. And i'm just not convinced that boston's willing to do that if you look at what the bruins of done this off season. They're not a team looking for long term commitments. So i don't think that's a match. I told you that. I think that they talked with the islanders. That may be with the islanders. Take yandle and florida. Take some short-term cap issues in exchange and maybe keep some of your hands money but you know that didn't go anywhere so they're kind of stock i think also and this is just me. I always wonder how does the message get taken and i heard yandle was really hurt. I heard that he felt like his character is a person was called into question. I think that. And i don't know who said it to him. I don't know who was the individuals responsible for this. But i heard that he felt that he was told he wasn't a good teammate. And he was upset about that. And i think it just got really ugly in the last week and i believe jeff at some point. His teammates spoke up. So i think some of the players went to. I don't know if it was joel. Quenneville i don't know if it was built zito and said he should be in the lineup and then all of a sudden out of nowhere on saturday he's called into the main group to practice the power play and then he plays so. I'm sure that some people will dispute some of these facts. But from speaking to as many people as i can speak to. That is the best picture i can paint. Okay so again as you mentioned off the top. This is sunday right. Now as we record this podcast. You're probably hearing it on monday. If the games against dallas hadn't been postponed. Would we be having a conversation like this or would we be having a conversation about. How keith handles iron man streak came to an end with a healthy scratch ike. How much did this extra time. Because it seemed as if like to your point there was building pressure whether it was players was a lot of media people to specifically media members have been around the game for a longer time. Some you know senior media people. Were you know kind of ticked off that this would happen that the streak would end based on a healthy scratch if those games against dallas which were scheduled for last week hadn't been scrubbed or postponed or pushed. What would the conversation around yandle lead today. Boy that's a great question. I can't answer that for sure. But i do believe that things intensified because we had so many days to talk about it. Yeah and three or four of them. Were with no games right. Yeah if you look at the panthers. They've made three editions on defense on the blue line in the last week. Yeah they claim noah jolson on waivers forsling on waivers they signed. Kevin cannot in had to clean through waivers. I mean that's all you need to know about how they feel about their defense and he got rid of matheson in the offseason. They brought in radcow gouda. S- like yes they've gone abo- redoing this blue line like from pretty much the get go with a new general manager. It's been operation redo blue line. The someone said sent me a taxed and they said well the panthers back down right And someone else said to me. Well yes by now. They've thrown it all on the players if the players are the ones who stepped forward and did this then. If it doesn't work the panthers have the opportunity to say well. We gave you guys chance and it didn't work and now we're going to do it our way. Ari elliott so. Is there a sense. Then that as we see keith. Yandell playing on this sunday against the chicago blackhawks. That all that florida has done is kick. This can down the road. There's a game on tuesday against chicago. Then there's a game later on this week all those two games against carolina hurricanes mike. Now that this is out there. What's the sense around keith yandell. Well i think it's determined by how they play right You know what the players have have done here is if they truly are the ones who you know. Step up and said no more. It's on them. If they play well and yandle plays well no problem and you can even use it as we united ourselves. But you know if they don't play well in their leaky the day's gonna come. Well the one thing i heard is yongle was terribly disappointed. He felt it was painted to him that he wasn't a great teammate. And i just heard that he was really heard about that night. A couple people reach out to be about that. And i think that's why some of the players got involved because they didn't want that to be the case. They didn't want him to think that they said he wasn't a great teammate. The one thing that i needed to be reminded of and i was reminded of it with andrew cog llano and now i'm reminded of it with keith. Yandell is how much players value the iron man streak and plays a lot more value. Want it than i did. I have always and this is not gonna sound nice to a lot of people. And i apologize if i'm offending many some whomever. I've always looked at hockey. And said i don't think that this is a game where you should be able to play every single game. I think it's a remarkable feat if you can buy whether it's nature of play whether it's lock whatever i always look at players that play for certain amount of seasons as injuries are baked into the pie when you play this game Players don't feel that way players have much more respect for an ironman streak than i have. I was reminded about that this past week around keith yandell and the outrage from players and the outrage from senior people in the game most of whom were ex players the idea that an iron man streak could be ended with a healthy scratch instead of an injury really bothered people. What do you think about that. We had george perils on the podcast. His friendship with andrew cogliano ended basically on the suspension because of the suspension industry. I think it probably won't ever be happy with my decision. Nor would i blame him but I'm fine with him. i think he's found me. It's not like I won't get a christmas card. Maybe i don't know. But but i never did so. It's fine it's just The moment is passed and hopefully You know at some point he understands it. Do my job some best my belly at the time we go on from there it depends like do you have pride and showing up for work if you do and i think most people do it bothers you. If you can't go a day like i had a frie- grew up with a friend. His father was a vice principal. And i don't remember how long it was because it's been thirty years. But he had a very long streak of not using sick day and you know that was nineteen eighty eight which was a different time. I think now you'd be. He probably went to school in some situations that now you'd be encouraged not to go to school. But that was a big deal for him. It was a source of pride that he went to work. I think most people are like that. I know players are in the nhl. I realized that with cog lonzo and on realizing that now with yandle she the one thing that the more you talk to players about one of the questions they ask or actually a better better phrase one of the points. They always bring up his. How many games. Someone played points or one thing goals or another thing. What's the one thing. The players always point out. All men is. I played fifteen years. I played thousand games like the volume of games like how long you stayed in the league. How many games you played in the league. That is such a source of pride for these guys. I don't know. I mean i undervalued it i think collectively we undervalue it. You know the guys. I feel terrible for jeff is at guys lake. Martin lapointe ninety one. Craig revai nine twenty five. That's still a season right Andrew ferrets nine. Oh seven. And i remember farren. Saying i was lucky enough to play one hundred twenty games in the playoffs. So i'm over. I'm at you know. Technically one thousand twenty seven. But those don't count. I remember when marty lapointe retired at that number. And i just remember looking at that and sing. Aw that's brutal. Like if only someone could just sign him for nine teams the way he played. Although having guys is going to sound weird but having guys get that close in fail makes that number one thousand. That much. More remarkable though. Hey marty it makes the number more remarkable because you buy for other people you've made it more distinct for other people remember. Joe had a thousand points in two thousand games. wasn't that great for jumbo questionable. Joel quenneville in all of this joke involves old school guy. Yeah influence would quinn of hat on. On this decision. I think ultimately the coach decides who plays right. I think he's got huge juice in that organization. But i think it went again from everybody i spoke to it. Started with the player comments and the exit meetings and it became an organizational philosophy. But like you're telling me that joel quenneville doesn't want to win and put his best players out there like if he thinks the channels one of his best players. He's gonna play him if he thinks the angle isn't one of his best players he's not gonna play. A story continues tuesday against the chicago blackhawks. We'll do it all again. Welcome to thirty one thoughts. The podcast brought to you by the gmc sierra domi while your company predators it with another chance they store yet why bouncing citizens comes in gets it. He's able to dangle. Make a move in front of elvas first lincoln's and easily toxin behind announce a five the two nationally. Well how about a fifth goal. Your teams have gone at games full weeks without allowing odd man. Rushes seen quite a few of those here in the first couple of games tonight. Tentative play bad reads. Is there a commonality there you finally you know that's not what's on my mind. I at some of the encouraging stuff we did tonight and Redeveloped twenty five scoring chances. Do we need to clean up some stuff. Sure but I'm encouraged by a lot of different things with a hockey club. Okay so now. Officially welcome to the podcast. Thanks as always between us here on the pod. i wanna get to minnesota because and we should preface everything that we say when it comes to games and teams with its early and it's only been a couple of games But minnesota's been fun. I want to get there in a second but first columbus. I know it's early. But pure luke dubois already says he wants out. I know it's early but they've dropped to against nashville three two one five to two. I know the on twitter l. Trying to open things up. He does wanna plays button-down As he has the past couple of seasons and that may all change against detroit this week the team they face off against next but is there concern in columbus right now and if there's not elliott should there be. I think there has to be. I think columbus got some really legit offers. I think there were some teams that even we haven't found out about yet that kinda waited into this and said you know if you're willing to do this. Were considering that and like. I said i've heard that jahmil was pleasantly surprised at what people were willing to do or consider and he oh he thought about it and filed it away here. I'm looking at this. And i'm like it's only two games but i'm looking at those two games and i paid a lot of attention to columbus as much as i could and their first two games and it didn't go great you know. He played do blinding. That's the first thing you're looking at And i don't know that. I would have suspected anything different. You know tortorella said he'd have a short leash with dubois but if you take a look at them after two games. He's averaging forty seconds more time game than any other forward he's at seventeen. Fifty seven bjork's transit seventeen eighteen. You don't look at this and say all he's not playing him he's playing them but you take a look at it. Let's look at some of their forwards max dummies. At fourteen minutes. In two games he was down to twelve in the first one. Camac nsen is under fifteen minutes and that lines already been broken up. I mean it's two games and you don't want overreact. And i think carolina is prepared to be patient. See how this goes. But i think when you're starting the season with as big question is columbus is with dubai here a weekend like that it. You need a really strong hand on the rudder not to start thinking about going in different directions. Already you see the thing about columbus. And by the way you mentioned max domi and give a quick thought on you talked about short. Leashes pure luke dubois short leash for max domi getting sat down for that the final five or six minutes against nashville in game one. But this is a team as trying to play a little bit different though. It might not be the best season to do this. Considering it's fifty six games and they might turn right back around and go back to the bubble blue jackets that team that we saw. Just you know suffocating squats they may turn around do that against detroit here in the next couple of games we don't know but against nashville mean. They surrendered no odd man. Rushes plenty of them not used to seeing that with the columbus blue jackets and they tried to play a more offensive style and a costume. They got you know. I would scored eight to three games. But they're trying to do something differently. Drawn tortorella trying to get this team to play a little bit differently. I don't know if they stick with it but it looks as if the accent is going to be a little bit more on offense now to me jeff. The biggest question i have about them is and this is the thing that carolina knows better than any of us what's the temperature internally does the du bois situation threatened to take them off like i know one of the things that i'm not talking about columbus specifically i'm talking about the league as a whole one of the biggest concerns that some teams have this year is if they start poorly will their players. Just knowing the stresses of playing this year with covid and the virus ramping through north america will their players lose their fire. Will they lose their fire or will they just become miserable players. Well i think that's all the same thing right. I think it's part of it but this is a conversation at one to have with you. At some point this season we might as well have it. Now i think one of the byproducts of the content schedule village very legitimate fears about Corona virus the nature of every game being it meaning so much retired. Oh it's playoff hockey. Every single night that exerts a strain on players. I mean these are now hockey players at being pushed to a regular season extreme that we have never seen before we saw what happened in the press conference with the philadelphia press conference with jacob for check. I don't have any reason to believe that. We won't see other eruptions from players as i think that frustration and grumpy athletes is going to be a by product of all of this well. We're all grumpy is society right but this squeezes it even more well. That's what i'm saying. Why would the hockey players and the people around them any different. I think it would be worse. Honest anna and i think specifically in the in the canadian division. The scotia north. Maybe you know. All i'm just saying is that i think that's the one thing that can rely on really has to weigh is. You've already got his. Do boss situation hanging over them and i think some of his teammates are really unhappy with him. And i'm sure some say it's a business but i think some of them are unhappy. It's like any other room jeff. If you were to go into work and say. I don't wanna be here at sports night. Any more i think about ninety five percent of us would say thank god. It should've happened already but there will be five percent that are honestly pissed off at you but not like i'm joking but you know what i mean it splits. You're right yet pause on that you feel the same way but players as sign offer sheets because that's them trying to get somewhere else to. Yeah i think everybody's different. I think if you go into a room of three okay so this year with a taxi squad thirty people if you told me that twenty players in that group agree with do bob. Tanner really angry about it. Would you be surprised. No not at no. I mean like and we don't know the breakdown. I think some of the guys are unhappy about it. But that's what i'm saying like so you've already got the stress of the season you've got you know. Some players agree with them. And you've got some players disagree with them. Eve lost two games to start the year. The back to me is the biggest challenge for carolina. We actually said that last week it might be the easiest time to deal with this because you have no fans there who are angry at him but if you start losing. It's the hardest time to deal with this. That to me is carolina's biggest challenges. You have a rough weekend. Can you keep a strong hand on the rudder or does that just exacerbate your situation. This could be a tricky week for the columbus blue jackets. Further to the point that you're you're making them right now and they've got a pair of games against the detroit red wings yup monday. The played for eight at noon eastern the may spin right back tuesday and play them again later on the week. They have a pair of games divided by a day against the tampa bay. Lightning man the beat carolina. And you know there's some real good stories early with that detroit red wings squad. Not san they're going to run the table on the columbus blue jackets. But what if columbus's own four going into those two games on the twenty first and twenty third against tampa. I know like that's the added challenge of this year. I really dentists tweak too. Yeah i know it's almost like it's almost like the nfl right like you lose week. One week two and it's a disaster like who goes into and makes the ploughs in the nfl not many people. Yeah it does feel like that. It does feel like it's it's quick. Hold on a second handle just scored. I'm actually annoyed now. All watching the games. So i can't see his reaction. Is this panthers four trio wreaking havoc inside the blackhawks zone. Loose to and how it's hoover dough takes a pass for mandolin. Fruit bat at in the puck goes off to the turnaround shot and they score from over along. The or teen deleo is on a position. Then handle is given the panthers nothing lead. I mean at the end of the day we talked about this before. That's such a great moment fridge. I'm just watching the highlight. That's such a great moment. good for him again. What do you say you don't cheer for teams to cheer for people. This is turning into a great story. Again it's early game. One of four two panthers but it's been drama fast around yandle. I just saw the highlight. You know what stands out to me. Is the players on the bench. Well did you see them when he came out when he go how happy they all were like. I mean everyone's going to do the courtesy stick tap when everybody comes out when yandle came out You could see as they did that camera pullback and everyone's in the circle around the faceoff dot everybody is thrilled that this guy is on the ice with them. The players reaction doesn't surprise me as well based on. Just what we saw in the intro to keith. Yandell tonight yeah. That's a huge moment. That's a fantastic moment. That's the way it's supposed to be first season and one hundred. Nhl goal scored by number three. And now he's not coming out of the lineup. You've taken out of the lineup with scores. No he's in. He just bought himself another game. The street continues now. he's going to go to eight. Sixty eight is it going to be like this every single game. I don't know who cares. Good on yandle and this sunday night you you brought it up. We should talk about for check. Yeah let's do the philadelphia flyers vora check presser on can play the video. Play the clip elliott sewri. Mr podcast expert. Let me rephrase that. I take got eliot. Thanks to everything television. Play the video. Play the audio keith. You're on go ahead. Yes question is for jake. Two games inching. How different does the season feel fit. All given the circumstances the off season schedule and everything doesn't matter what i say you're going to write. It doesn't matter what you say. It feels different. I mean we got four points hundred first two games. I wasn't even going to answer a question because you are such a weasel funny. Thanks question. charlie. O'connor you're always jake and travis go ahead. You talked about this on hockey night saturday. Your thoughts on this for those at that. Didn't tune in. So i see. There's an occupational hazard it's going to happen to you. From time to time. People are going to get mad at you and you're going to have confrontations and angry. Words are going to exchange even some of the people you get along with the best. It happens and you know the difference is because there's no dressing room encounters this year. It happened on zoom so everyone thought And he oh social media now we see it happening more and more than ever players are controlling their own narratives which is fine. Like i don't have any problem with that. Everybody should control their own narrative like last week. I'm on twitter. And someone saying that chris evans is in negotiation to return to the marvel. Universe's captain america in a sort of a cameo role and chris evans tweets out news to me. You know you see that kind of stuff happening more and more so he does that. The only difference is it used to be more private I remember my father always said to me. If you dish it out you better be able to take it and our business. We dish it out. So you better be able to take it when a player says you know what. I don't think that's right. You know. I've had people call me up before for stuff i've said on this podcast stuff. I've written in thirty one thought stuff sound hockey night in canada. Well before any of those things started Earlier in my career and all you do. Is you deal with it and if you can back it up with facts you back it up with facts if you can't you know sometimes you just gotta eat it but you know that's life and the the thing about this one is in a non dressing room world. It's public. we just have to deal with it. You know the the sneaky star that entire sequence was connect me. Travis connect me. His reaction was comedic gold. He didn't know what to do. i think he was more stunned than Than everybody else on zoom call. Well obviously he had no idea that that was common. That was You think we see more of that this for the reasons that i pointed out earlier about grouchy hockey players people being cranky nerves close to the skin this season more than any other time that we can remember from recent history. I think we see more of that. Specifically as players to your point card roll their story and control their narrative and their own media pipeline. I think people understand that when you're going to be in public and it's not just a player anymore like jeff if people don't like what we say on this podcast they can tweet it right at us right and they do and they do. There's people call me from time to time. And they're mad and i listened and i go. You know what you got point k. And there's people that i think it's total bs and it's wrong and there's people that i think it's way over the line and the fact is that if people believe you're way over the line now they're gonna tell you and they're going to tell you publicly and the only defense you have and i really don't know about the relationship between check. Mike seal ski. I heard it strained. But i'm not around there enough to know like all you can do is say. Hey look i treated you fairly or you're right. I didn't but the bottom line is in this business you have to prepare for. I see it as an occupational hazard people are gonna get mad at you and they are gonna come at you like. I'll tell you a story like a couple years ago. I reported that. The docs didn't know of ryan cast. There was gonna play one year as injuries were so serious and so severe that they were preparing for the possibility that he wasn't gonna play and eric stevens of the athletic to bob marie at the draft and he said is this true and he called it the s. and he said the actually use the word and it got printed and murray said to me like you said later. I laugh when i saw it. I just laugh. Because that's the way he talks Right that's the way talks. And i didn't care. I had no problem with that. And he saw me on the draft floor and he said like you know. Elliot like to tell you i disagreed. I think kessler could play. But i like the fact that it was that strong and i go seriously. Don't worry about it. there's no problem here. I laughed it off. I wasn't upset about it. All and then at the end of the day kessler played right. He actually told me that seeing that even made them more determined to come back. 'cause he was he made him realize that people were doubting him so determined to come back. Like i just think the mostly times you laugh these things off but sometimes people have legitimate gripes with you and you just have to deal with it. How would you handle that. I think that's a great question. Because i think you always have a plan but you don't know until you go through it right Like my reaction to things like that is don't pour gasoline on the fire. Don't do it don't make it worse especially if you've dished out and now the guys coming back at you. That happened on a friday night. I might just say you know what. I'm gonna take my time and i'm going to deal with it on hockey night in canada tomorrow. That might be one way. I do it. But if i really feel the need to defend myself because it's unfair i would take my time and think about how i would do it but generally my feeling always is. Don't pour gasoline on the fire. That's the way. I look at things. And i also believe you. Save your bullets for when you absolutely need them in that situation because as soon as i saw it my initial foul was okay. If this were me what would i do. And my initial instinct in that situation would have been to ask a follow up. What have i written. That is untrue. Like if he's willing to engage in go down that street if four check is willing to you know take the bait and go down there. My instinct probably would have been. What did i rate. Or what did i say. That was untrue. I think the the problem with that is is that because it zoomed. If you're face to face like i've had guys pulled me aside. I didn't say i didn't like that. And my first reaction is okay. Let's talk about it. What don't you like you know. In most cases that disarms people and you figure it out. I've only had a cop. I'm not saying like in a hostile way. I'm asking you in a in a curious way like well. I'm surprised you would feel that way. Jake what that right. There was inaccurate. I think that's a good approach. Jeff i think the problem is that was. You can't really do that like when it's face to face you can do that like i've had that guy said to me. I didn't like that i go. Okay let's sort it out by in zoom. you know. The reporter couldn't do that. That's not possible now. I guess it was some call that was written two years ago. They'd never hashed it out. Vortex been of mood lately. Well he got into with his well and if he got into his coach. His coach got into it with him. January ninth. some guy tweet at him. It was a reply. I'm looking at right now. It was an exchange about the flyers and some guy said not to mention to players on the flyers team taking up a huge salary cap space who suck and the guy said who might they be and this guy is how analysts mike from south jersey said and four check has his best year in a flyers uniform last year and he is still way overpaid and has a five cent. Head and four. Check on january ninth tweets out better than five cent body of yours. And he does that from time to time. You'll come after people kessler. We also talked about us to do that. Occasionally on twitter too. And i tell you this like check is one of the best players in the league to deal with. I think is a reporter. You have an idea when a guy's got a barrage up his bottom boat you you know when guys like you and guys don't like you and some people will eat it and they'll just be you know what. Answer the question but i don't have to talk to this guy anymore than i have to write and other guys are like no like i don't like you and i'm going to give it to you like me working in this. Business is life right. It's all about relationships. You try to treat people well and they'll try to treat you well. It's like life. You just have to navigate it but i think in this business because we for lack of a better term judge people on their personality or performance it increases the chance and you know people read this stuff and creates value on people. You know there's more of a chance that someone's going to lash back especially in this day and age. I think more now than ever because of social media. I just think you have to be prepared. That if you're gonna go after someone they're gonna comeback after you and if the general public really likes that someone their fans could pile on you. It's so it's double what ever really used to be. Let me circle back to something here. Just watching more and thinking more. Because i can't get ahead. And i know you can't either. I'm watching the keith. Yandell highlight over and over again. Here as we're talking like i'm fixated on the on the goal. I keep watching it. And i can't help but thinking to myself has florida. Made a folk hero here now. I want get too far ahead of myself here and turnkey the-an something he might not be. But it's that this that some of perfect us versus them storm players versus management. Well i think that's the way you can spin it if you're florida right like i don't think it's anything that management cares to embrace but has this now happened is social media is crazy about. He'd handle right now. Fads who might not have ever been engaged with the florida. Panthers are engaged with this story. The florida panthers players are engaged with this story tomorrow. This is going to be a story on every single hockey show. Have they created the us versus them story internally. Well you have to use that. Maybe it's like major league where they put up a thing of the owner and they take like a piece of clothing off every time they win. Now i'm going to be real curious to hear panthers players and yandle himself after this game. Maybe they'll be more yandle as podcast continues but so far this has been the annual podcast. Then good for him. Let's hit a quick break when we come back. I want to talk about the minnesota wild with you. It doesn't matter what i say jeff. You're going to write bleeping bleep. Anyway we're talking wild after this only obviously anytime i score. I'm i'm pretty excited. And i was definitely a special one Getting the win getting. I think i'm correct. I think that got us up to nothing. So it was one of the things always excited to score and You know seeing the guys how excited they wear for me was definitely meant a lot for me. Who is it was just being ready to go. And you know just waiting for my time to get a chance. And i think you know scoring that goal kind of help solidify. The work put in being ready to go and i think a lot of it was seem seeing the guys seeing their reaction to it and getting real fired up for me. Okay welcome back to the podcast Thoughts on the The scotia north division after one weekend worth of play elliott. What's standing out to you about the canadian division to me. One of the earliest stories is it's as close as we thought it would be. That's the number one thing that jumps out at me. Does anyone look great. Some individual players look great. So far i don't know that any team looks dominant. Though will that that's my point. I said before the season that i thought there were potential for good teams but they all had flaws like you could make an argument that the team that looked the best of all the canadian teams in the first week was nine trio. Was my montreal. Would be number one on my list but ottawa would be number two and now is that because of how they've played the bar was low. I was gonna say that's based on expectations. isn't it yes. But i thought they played really well actually more so the first game the second the second the cave. But i'll tell you an listened. Matt murray played real good. Yes in In that game like there were. I think nick paul play to really good games back to back. I'm really happy for him as someone who followed him closer going back to his. Oh l. days. I'm really happy for nick. Paul i think that you know in the montreal end of things. I think knicks zucchini shaping up to be a good. Did you see that move. He made when dominant. Cahoon tried to run him over on saturday night as he was coming around the net and then he was just ice water in his veins a quick little pivot and he was off to the races and cahoon was crashing into the boards. A helix like a ten year pro. He looks like he looks. Like nothing is phasing. This guy at all and i don't want to say that this guy is an patrice bergeron even though that was his favorite player. That's why you're number thirty seven and nine sound playing junior hockey but this guy. He's i know it's early but between this and what we saw in the bubble like. We're seeing the emergence of a real special player here for the montreal canadians and same as alexander romanov on the blue line. Does he looked like he hasn't played five games in the nhl. Yet do you elliot. I knew when berkey was praising around at the guy was pretty good. I know no. I think montreal looks really good i i do. I thought ottawa was that first night in particular. I agree with you. They looked really good. I think everybody else is kind of like okay. They had their good moments but they also had their off moments and everything that you worried about from some of those teams kinda came through in that first week. J. t. miller really interesting. They were trying to get miller in a shorter protocol than fourteen days and they've succeeded. He took a private plane to calgary on sunday. He's there he's gonna play monday night against the flames. They really need him like i. I gotta tell you the most perplexing thing the first week for me was patterson he did not look right. Maybe miller is what he needs to get going. I'll tell you what the passing his passing on the power. Play on saturday night. Just look off like it's like he's passing two left hand shots like the right hand shots like it's just it's it's not pederson. It's just. It's just freaky to see. And i don't know again. It's early but i don't know how and i understand like listen blockbuster. Got a this insane release. But i don't know how many times have to you know shrug off a pederson one time like if i have pederson on my team on the power play aren't just feeding him. One time passes nonstop. I gives it a steady died of time passes for lia's patterson i don't know vancouver just looks and couvert looks off agree. Thought they would take a little step back because of the netminding but even just offensively vancouver looks a little bit a little bit. Ding to me and edmondson's got the goalie issue and we'll see this We may have to do a tag vite. Now there's data on waivers and i think there's going to be multiple claims on him and i think edmonton's gonna be one but the they call jimmy howard can all in those jimmy. Our jimmy howard said you know what. I'm happy with my family. I'm not gonna do it. If they don't claim someone on waivers that they can get into their roster and the thing abo- dell is like they have a situation where they say you stay in toronto and he could start for them on wednesday night against the leaves like it's almost comical. It's so funny but it could happen. And because he's already part of the protocol and passing tests. You can join them. Go go play that point. So i mean it's just such a weird twenty twenty twenty twenty one pandemic thing but if they don't get a goalie on waivers they're going to have to sign someone to an t. Oh who's already in quarantine in both toronto and winnipeg until the twenty seventh gross. Nick was supposed drive opt to edmonton after he was claimed. And now i think he's kind of waiting to see how this all shakes out. Anyone of weaned cowley is in quarantine. That's a good one. He's in toronto. I just throw that out to a boat to maybe three people who are going to get that. I know that you would get it right away yet. wing kelly. He owns the bar. The pint right across the street from the cbc. And you say the one the bottom line. Bottom line rapists Right beside the hockey hall of fame that's That's wing cow wayne cowley. Hopefully this information that we're claiming is is a is a former minder who played one game. He's in that infamous cup of coffee. One game club With the edmund. Montoya's back in ninety three ninety four. I can recall when i was doing. Marley's games withdrawn bartlett. There was one day where they brought him in as an emergency backup. Can't remember which team i can't remember. What one squad brought him in As a backup he hadn't played. And i can't remember however many years but They brought in cowley. And that's why dropped reference today Elliot c wayne. Kelly make his return. How old would cowley be probably fifty five years old anyway. It's one of those seasons elliott one of those seasons. I never thought i'd be saying this. But after an almost full week of this season as we kick off the two thousand twenty one campaign. I never thought i would say these words. The most interesting team for me to watch right now. Are the minnesota wild capris off. His kind of made the must watch tv. There's a couple of things that i love. Capris office number one. He is fan. You talked about him a ago. I remember we talked when we first started talking about your next season. Things you looking forward to you mentioned his name out of the gate. He's looked fantastic. The other thing and again. I know it's only two games. And they've won both against the los angeles kings but them come from behind victories. Great stories to them but outside of the greenaway felino line. Do you have any idea. Houdini everson's put ice because every line that comes out. It seems like it's a different combination of players. Yeah he's got the real blender going. Oh ache every single tasty and for a while there he settled on capris off and fiala and markus johannesson and that met with some success. Took a while to get there like it's fat. It's like honestly elliott. It's like watching a coach. Do a rubik's cube as the game is going on. I have no clue. Everson's gonna put out there because fun. Well that's the whole no practice. No exhibition games completely. And that's one of the things that the other thing i was talking about with someone this year is there. You're never gonna see a year where people don't practice like this. There's going to be no practices. So it's going to be like that all the time who's going tonight let's go players have dreamed about this For for a long time capris office. A lot of guys come from overseas or in. They don't they don't you. Don't buy the hype. This guy is everything as advertised and he's breathed new life into that team. He sure has On that wrap up the podcast. We'll do another one a little bit later on this week And we'll get more information to you. Who knows i keith. Yandell may just go on a scoring bender here. And we'll do another podcast just for keith. Yandell he's been the story so far On this pod takes us out as we think our producer amil delic artist probably hear a lot more of in the coming months sean. Sroka stage name ten kills. The pack is getting set to release a sophomore album life death and afterwards from that album. Here's a single body by ten. Kills the pack on thirty one thoughts. The podcasts thanks for joining us. Ma'am shop. I'm no that this omaha. Battiston habit. 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Pucks with Bernie & Panger  Episode 22  Ovechkin, Division, Coronavirus and Media

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Pucks with Bernie & Panger Episode 22 Ovechkin, Division, Coronavirus and Media

"Hockey fans you know what time it is. It's crunch time the playoffs so just around the corner. And we're getting set to talk it over with Bernie Co it's pucks with Bernie and Panger Fox News Sports Director Martin Kilcolin. We're coming to you on scoops with Danny Mac dot com. We'll talk about the return of Joel. Quenneville was there ever a chance? He was going to end up back in. Saint Louis as the blues head coach once again and also dealing with the corona virus. What is that relationship right now between players and media? How is that evolved over the years? When we get into all of that the hockey conversation each week presented by Greenville University Murray Davila Senior Living Triad Bank fast Eddie's Bondar Urban Chestnut Brewery Cope twenty four and B and g. Tuck pointing birdies thoughts all of these topics coming up and winning a Stanley. Cup Isn't easy but the blues were able to do if I have a great foundation. 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And you didn't play terrible but you just lose and there isn't a whole lot of breakdown that we can do on a game like that. No there really isn't the whole thing with hockey. Is that especially this time of the season? Is that everybody's fighting for position. You're for your job for next year because I've got the playoffs. Now you've got to prove to the team that you can still play. And you want us to play for that franchise so yeah. I thought the blues played well enough to win now. Let's just put it that. We didn't have lost his steam pressure. And I think that's kind of what happened. They're scoring goals. Usually you're not getting enough people to the front of the net. You're not getting enough shots through and some rented hot goaltender but I think last night even when you look at the last two games of the forest of goal out three goals for the last three goals from defence. You're a little more involved than they can do that. They will continue to score goals. But that's a tough one because you know you need to win Games back to back game you already beat Chicago. You get a little more breathing room by winning back-to-back Games but unfortunately Florida wanted more. And they were able to win that game and Jordan veto the better than that. We got to win a game like that. So here I am saying there's no heartache or hot take the goalie himself is saying we got to win a game like that is that because they look at Florida and say what standings wise points were were better than they are no no insult intended but do they look at the opponents. Say That's a that's a team. At home we have to be absolutely. And that's that's what Jordan was saying when he said that they are a better team than the Florida Panthers. And when you're at home and where you're playing against a team that really you're supposed to beat you're supposed to beat them. And if it wasn't for Jordan Bennington it could have been a lot more than two to one. I mean he made a number really really big saves breakway. We get a lot of the blues. Had A lot of Times where they had breakdowns in the neutral. Earn the Defensive Zone. I mean I think they ended up being like fourteen defensive zone turnovers which is so characteristic for the blue is but yes I mean you have to finish things off and I think that when you look at what happened to the blues last year Winnings Daily Kept. They learned how to finish teams. You're ahead you got to bury them your mind. Yeah you can come back once you get that little sensible man. I'm you've got to really carry through and you've got to win the game so It would be a very disappointment game for loss especially walking in that locker room but when you consider the ninety two points still relaxed a little bit and say there's still plenty of time lump. It's interesting to blue rattle off a winning streak Colorado rattles off a winning streak Blues Lose Colorado Loses. I get the sense. It is going down to the wire. Do you think that could be an advantage because team? Sometimes it clinch early kind of put it on cruise control before the postseason sometimes falter early. I don't think there's any chance the blues are going to have that luxury of just put it in cruise control. This is going down to the wire. Yeah you don't want to put things in cruise control too often. We saw Tampa Bay last year. Kind of running through the running the table and then all of a sudden they get to where they not needed move it up and watch and they can't move up or not so. I think this is probably good for the team. I team especially knows how to win the close games and I with Colorado. They're going through a lot of injuries. I think that's their problem right now. The blue is really pretty healthy other than terracing to who should come back. Probably the next week or so but Yeah I mean the last game when we looked at the beginning of the year we said what Colorado's real good tunes was a good team. Maybe that last game in Denver is GonNa really mean something. I wouldn't be surprised if we go down to the last Saturday of the season. And it could mean who's going to be in first place in the central vision first overall maybe even less in right now as it sits. It's going to change but you have five teams out of the eight in the West are from the central division and that doesn't include Nashville who's been a perennial contender. I don't think people can appreciate just how loaded this particular division is and to sit on top and be able to stay on top for a sustained period. It's pretty impressive. It doesn't mean anything until you do it in the playoffs but that's a rugged division to sort of be controlling this year the central vision has been kind of one of the best divisions over the last few years now and yes. I mean Nashville still should be in the mix. I mean Winnipeg's in the mix right now so Yeah so when you consider the Blues we've got the best record in the central division. That really is why we're there at at and I've always said every time I you know. Got My two cents in. Is that have to play well against your own division? I mean if you get through your division and especially now that have changed things now is the you know the the four seed is or the eighth. See Wherever you want to look as good come from the other division so if you take care of Your Business and your own division and when you get to the playoffs if you can finish first division and you don't really have too much about what's going to happen because you're going to kind of breeze through you're GonNa get the worst team in the West and not worry about maybe getting worse team central so That's what the boost of put themselves in that position and they can keep it up for the last twelve year fun to see Joel Quenneville back in the building. It's weird because he was in Saint Louis along but I look at him and I still think blackhawks now when I see him because he wants so many cups in Chicago. I think he's able to really be honest and good for Saint Louis. Heavy not had that success in Chicago. It might be hard to look at the Cup in Saint Louis C. Why I wish I had done that. But I know Andy. Strickland talked him on the TV side. And I genuinely feel like Q. Is Happy for our town and I think if you don't go and win somewhere else. Maybe you feel like that should have been me. But he seems at ease. I think he's genuine and saying good for Saint Louis. Yeah he really hated it when he when he was fired here. I mean he wanted to stay here. He wanted to to win a cup here in Saint Louis C. Loved Santa's family love Saint Louis and when you consider we won the presidents trophy back in two thousand. I mean that was the year that he expected that we should have wanted all. But when you look at what? He's done yes he's Chicago Blackhawks Guy Right now because the three cups he won there but I I really believe that I. If things would've maybe went south. Blues did not win the Cup Last year that there would have been a possibility. Joe would have been able to come back and we and. I think everybody wanted Joel. I mean everybody watched Joel Coach here in Saint Louis. All the players that played for him to would love to have them come back but I think that with the situation. He's in right now. Yeah I think he was very very excited for the blues. I talked to him after he won. The Third Cup congratulated when he said. Hey your guys title coming closer. That good he says they're going to win that cup sooner than later and he was absolutely right so he knows his hockey in Florida. A really really good thing hiring him. He's bringing a winning atmosphere to the team. I mean as what nine hundred? Twenty five wins. Now I think with win last night and only Scotty Bowman this morning. I think you don't have to say much more when you're second to Scotty moment. That's pretty impressive. It is funny. How History Plays Out Craig? Ruby comes along takes over for Mike. Yo We said well this brew guy will see what he can do and all of a sudden they take off. They win the cup. But you're right. There was a period there. I was on the radio saying it day after day. Like let's get Quenneville over to obey Clark's. Let's get the deal done. You think army will ever tell us the real story about whether they talked or at least on the radar because he's he was a free agent essentially a time when we weren't sure who the Blues Future Head coach would be. Yeah I don't know if there was a discussion I know that from talking to different people. Joe was very interested in the job in the right situation but You Know He. I think he was really disappointed when he got fired. And and there was a lot of things that went on in Chicago that that are behind the scenes. And I'm sure that we don't know about I mean in some of the guys got traded. Joe is not happy with the way things were going and And you know I never have been able to understand the general manager and coach. Don't talk things about and sees see what you need Just as a GM just decide what your team is going to be like. And then don't even consult with your coach. And I think there was a lot of that was probably going on in Chicago. And that's kind of one of the reasons that Joel got fired. I don't think he was disappointed that he had to go but Or No one wants to ever get fired. He was good for him to spend a little time outside of hockey. He didn't have to shop at the rink every day and I think it was probably good for him and his family but when the situation came up for Florida I mean that's pretty good. He likes horses. He likes warm weather like to smoke a cigar. All that is good but I think if he had the opportunity to go back to Saint Louis and I think he would have certainly jumped on it and and I would hope to think that army would have been thinking about him because we just said it. He's the second most wins as a coach in the National Hockey League history. So I'm sure that army would add some interest in certainly the the legendary coach q in Chicago grew after he's fired. He's doing shots outside. A bears game at soldier field. 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All the new rules in terms of media access. And I'm just got me thinking about the old days and media sort of relationship. How maybe it's changed over the years. Maybe the trust factor. I'm guessing when you played the guys are sitting there. You tell them just about anything and now you're like wait a minute. I'm going to get. That's going to be on twitter in two minutes. And how much do you think? The dynamic has changed between player in media all I think. It's it's huge difference now. I mean You really the media and our day was that was all you had. You had the guys coming in with the cameras. Were the radio a new newspaper more than anything else because there was not a lot of coverage with the TV and radio and we would just one station camel X. covered us no one relieving cared at all but today now you've got to be so careful. The players got to be so careful the organization is going to be what they say how they said. I mean I think our world is totally different all the things that go on social media. It's almost kinda scary for the for the guys to control what they need to be. Put out there and because you never wanna be on the on the bad end of something. That's maybe even good Saying something in in the heat of battle. You're not allowed to do that anymore. And everything's changing the guys understand that and and I think the League understands that so What's going on now with grown viner's virus and most important thing is. I think to keep the guy safe to keep the fan site because this is Something that is spreading like wildfire over all over the world and they can put a control on it or some at least help slowed down. They just the most important thing right now and really the safety or the health of the players. I think they're really really looking forward to. He played these guys a lot of money and now with playoffs. Coming up if you lose someone for a few days or a couple of weeks could really for jockey. Club's well guys seek the spotlight somebody. They build their own brand to a lot of guys. Use the media to kind of get the word out. I just one on the whole though even when you were playing can it be like? Oh we just lost terrible here. They come. I'm there has to be. I feel that way. Some nice walking in like especially like a playoff loss. I'm sure the Petro's the world like Oh here we go. What am I going to say? I mean there has to be a little bit of ANC sometimes especially after a bitter loss. Well you know you only have certain guys. They're going to answer the loss. Those are the guys that I think the press knows through. You'RE GONNA get an honest statement or you're going to get a statement from a guy that hey he's just. He knows he understands what's going on. And he's one of the leaders on Haiku but he has to say that yet but I'm sure he deep down in San all and all year I have to go again but it's good and a bad come with the game and you really have to answer to the bad things as much as as the good things but I mean you can really virtually go to anybody after you win a game or the guy is a good game. We'll talk to him. It's it's the it's the guys that you want to honest when when things are not going well and I think there's a lot of those guys on each and every team right now but I don't think anybody really wants to be in the spotlight I think that everybody understands that as a professional athlete as part of a team. When when you're asked a question you have to best your ability. Answer it in the press guys. Which is that. They are not going to get a good answer to. So it's Kinda every team has got one or two of the guys that you really rely on spring training conversation off camera with mark. Maguire was in his heyday. And I said what's a good rule of thumb so we don't drive you crazy so you don't hate us. How do we? How do we make this work? We had an actual honest conversation. This is years ago and I said because I said I don't care if you don't talk to me like I it does hurt my feelings. I said but there's fifty thousand people there who wouldn't mind here and what you thought about that home run or about you know the tough loss or whatever so is it. I look at it and I tried to explain. I said you're not really talking to me. You're talking to people that are watching seeing what the radio and the newspaper and I do. There's great value in that so as I joke about feeling awkward walking in its job that the fan sort of not require but really look forward to. I agree with you. One hundred percent is because even with me on TV now is that I know the answer of probably ever questioned. That is being asked. But they don't want to hear from you WanNa hear it from the athlete that release going through it at the time and That was really good question for you to ask because they are. I mean no matter what people say that you know old guys were saying well. We don't care vans Because we're you know they're going to watch it on TV. They were needed to come. No you gotTa have the answer because you're playing for the fans right now. You're not playing for the the dollar that you're making or the salary plane because if you didn't have the fans you wouldn't have a salary at all so you always have answer the fence and I think the guys for the most part understand when guys get sour like everything else and you have to you have to know on and recognizes as I guess as as a as a part of the media as I am now is that sometimes you can remember your old days where you say. Hey I don't really want to talk to someone after Have a big turnover. I screwed up or I did something and I know. I don't need to come back to the bench and have the coach. Tommy now reporter come up to me and say what happened on that play. I screw so I mean. How many times do I have to tell you that? So it's one of those things but it's still you you need to hear it from the from the athlete itself and there's nothing wrong with it and you have to be responsible for your actions and the post game on Monday. I learned something because Jordan. Benetton the second gold at Florida Dot. Which was the game winning goal. They look like there was content. He said I got hit in the back of the head with the crossbar whatever. I'm not sure what was behind the play and ended up it. Was Vince. Done getting run into by a panther and I listen on the post game on Fox men was okay I wonder if it affected him and I think it clearly did. There's a lot of time. There's an answer there and as a fan or somebody who even covers the team Mike Okay. That was helpful. You know so. There is that role and it was bad luck. There really was bad luck. Or is that net could have variously popped up because it actually tilted forward and actually hit Jordan Bennington in the back of the head. If he wouldn't have there's no way that Jordan wouldn't be able to poke check that puck there on the left side of the net. And then I mean he's the guy made a really good played the Florida panthers that was able to get by kind of squeezed Vince. Done off the back of the net. We made a great play and then Jordan no chance on it but yeah those are little things that and he even said in the press conference. He said he'd like to see it again because he's not exactly sure what happened. But that's exactly what happened in a really had. No chance always made the save do but he really should have had no chance on Colette. Nhl Thought Alexander Ovechkin again. Closing in on a fifty goal. Season is thirty four Wayne. Gretzky said I hope he does it. I hope he catches my record. Still got some work to do. I think it's seven. Oh Six ovechkin eight ninety four for Gretzky. That's a lot of goals. Do you have a gut as to whether Alice can get it done? And I think it's Gretzky said I think it'd be good for the game selfishly. I would I don't know I kind of want Gretzky to hold onto it. But do you think he can do it when you look statistically I think is GonNa be very difficult He gets fifty goals every year. But I think stoically you know that once you hit thirty four thirty five your your skill level comes down a little bit Obviously he's a great athlete Ovechkin shoots the Puck is good as anybody's ever shot the Puck in the National Hockey League but realistically how long are you? GonNa play if he's GonNa play another five or six years can't get around thirty five to forty goals a year certainly as possible but I have you know what the demand that goes on now in the game of hockey. Now he's always watched I just think it's going to be very difficult for him to get that. I think he might get close but I think it would be very difficult for for for him. To beat means record another coffee. Shop addition of talks with Barney hanger the Hall of Famer Bernie Bernie? I'm a great week. Thanks Martin and we do play. Also be here before you know it. Next week it's conversation with Darren Pang make sure you subscribe wherever you get your podcast Google tunes you name it. Get it downloaded directly each week. Just get a subscription going. Check out all the great content at scoops with Danny Mac dot com on a great cardinal conversation going on. Dan has been all over spring training a lot of great content. There check it out online the hockey conversations each week brought to you by our great sponsors fast. Eddie's Bon Air Urban Chestnut Brewery Triad Bank Greenville University Marie Davila Senior Living Cope Twenty four and B and g tuck pointing. I'm Fox News. 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Pucks with Bernie and Panger  Episode 6  Quenneville, Perron/OReilly chemistry, Snow Days

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Pucks with Bernie and Panger Episode 6 Quenneville, Perron/OReilly chemistry, Snow Days

"It's time for another installment of pox with Bernie and Panger this week our visit visit with the hall of Famer Bernie Turco. You can hear it every week. Scoops with Dan. AMAC DOT COM also. Subscribe Apple Itunes. Wherever you get your weekly podcast if you you subscribe that way it will be delivered directly to you whether it's on a game day or the day after game? Talk a lot of hockey here. On the segments presented by Triad Bank Greenville University Fast Eddie's urban chestnut and Marie Davila senior living. And we bring in the hall of Famer Bernie Federico The pride of Foam Lakes schedule on and we've joked about it you and I Even before this segment it is cold but I've always wondered the Canadian guys playing in the US when it snows and to and they closed the schools. I'm I'm assuming you guys are laughing in a little bit at the rest of us we do. There's no question about it. I mean I couldn't believe yesterday. Yeah I mean it was unusual for November. I guess for Saint Louis But The way people drive. Especially it's not that big a deal if you just get your car going and keep it at a constant speed. You're GONNA be okay. It's the Stop Start doesn't work very well. Get some momentum going it keep going but hey people panic and that's the way it is so you just gotTa deal with actually stay off the roads on a day like that did they. Did they close your school when you were a kid kid very odd. I mean like if it's a foot of snow did you dad. You're not a snowmobile. I mean maybe I'm romanticizing it a little bit but I just can't imagine kids in Canada having snow days. You know we never had school. Canceled doesn't matter what the weather was a lot of times it was blowing. Snow blizzards forty below. I mean some of the kids that were bussed into school obviously didn't make it But the kids in town and we were in town we still have to go to school. I mean the teachers were there. We had to be here so yeah. There was no such thing as a canceled day at school. We'll get into some hardcore hockey but one more Saint Louis centric thought. We had the meteor that shot across. Saint Louis the other night did did the household shake. Did you hear it. Did you see it you. Don't we heard something and you know what I didn't even know that that's what it was. But that's bizarre. Now that you mentioned I you know I wasn't paying attention to that but yeah we did hear something and so. That's what it was. Well that's interesting. Yeah as you see a Stanley copy a meteor shower you stick around burning. You might see just a little bit everything in Saint Louis. Let's get the headlines this week because the brain of some veteran guys one that we know real well and Troy Brouwer The other Mcginn because they need some depth a lot of folks said. Hey why not go to a claim cost or a Cairo at this one and Doug Armstrong you said you know we've got a fair amount of young guys already here which looking closer at it. I guess they do. What's your thought? There on Rydin veteran guys as opposed to throwing some youth into the mix at this point. I think they're going to do both to be honest with you. Martin When I look at this roster yeah there is a lot of young guys and there's still a lot of veteran guys in I mean as army? He said he's not really looking for anybody to come in as a leader. He just wants guys to come in. Maybe that are veteran guys. If they do lose another guy somebody got hurt. One of the veteran guys then all of a sudden to to bring it through a a young guy never played in the league into the really. The fire might be too difficult but I still expect to see at some point in time if cost and continues to play well or Cairo. Whoever it may be I would be surprised if they do get a chance of the blues? Do get an easier to more especially with long term stuff like terrorists. Ain't going steen at least four weeks six so Hopefully there's not gonna be any more injuries but I think it's more of an insurance policy to try. Have the older guys come in. They know exactly what the what the League is. All about. They've been around both Jamie and troy been around a long time so if they were thrown into the fire it wouldn't really affect them at all so I like this fact that that he's bringing them in now. Oh yes he said. It doesn't mean Martin that they are actually going to sign them. I mean they're going to be on approach riot after ten days. They'll make that decision. I think that's going to be best based on how the T.. He maybe plays for the next ten days and I think Baru his style. We know it works. They do play a heavier game as they like to say. A lot of these players even daily rose became over in the fabric. Deal from Detroit. Royd and you look at a brower and begin. They seem to all have a certain model here. Is that just sort of who the blues. Dr Right now looking for players. That are a bit on the heavier side of the game. Yeah Yeah I would expect. I mean there were success was there I mean they finish their checks whether this is a really heavy team on paper or not they do play heavy style the physical style. And that's what Craig Ruby wants them to do. And so I have no problem with that. They won the Stanley Cup. Playing that way. And I think that there's an awful lot of teams that are starting to maybe change their philosophy a little bit and start bottling their teams teams on that. I mean Right now it's regular season hockey and It's a little different. Obviously when you get to the playoffs so you need to size need to grit when it comes to that. But I think the blue is right right now are proving that There are really good hockey club even with a couple of guys out of the lineup right now especially key guy like tear singles because the style they play and it's really difficult difficult to play against him. It is amazing how Doug Armstrong has earned the benefit of the doubt now a couple of years ago. If they don't turn to the kids what are you doing. You're wasting this roster spot with with these old guys you win the Stanley Cup like everything. Doug tries it. Okay that's fine. It gives you a lot of license. I don't think the critics are nearly as loud when you WANNA Cup. Oh absolutely and and again when you look at the moves the Doug is made I mean we go back to Brayden Schenn and then we go back to a Riley and all of a sudden bringing bringing in Falk from from from Carolina. I mean these are three big names that he was able to make deals for and obviously The last two before Falk have combined to win a Stanley Cup. So army has really done really no wrong. Whatever he's GonNa Built here has been very successful and the fact that Even with Craig Ruby coming in you know as an associate coach and all all of a sudden yoga's fired Chief takes over and the next thing you know. You're you're winning games and next thing you know you gotTa Stanley Cup in your back pocket so Things have really turned. Don't really well for army and He deserves a lot of the credit. Because he's been very poised he does not panic at all and And now I really liked the way. He's still building. I mean if he missed the couple of old veterans get hurt so he tries to baby. Hey maybe we need to turn some some to some new veteran guys. Amazing tried. If it's GonNa work we'll see what happens and the roster roster retooling. He did the summer of two thousand eighteen. You know he signed Bozic. I don't think a lot of blues fans knew about him he gotta Riley everybody's doing backflips. This is the kind of guy they need. There's people in Saint Louis Eleven but in the middle of all that he brought back David Perron and I'm sure if we look back at social media twitter everybody's like oh great him again. Third Tam around but army always liked his game. And I think you and I talked a couple of weeks ago. But the the the third edition Ron has been better than we've seen now Barua even told me yesterday. said he's got one of the best shots in the league. They're talking about his wrister Peron at this point. Did you see this coming. I guess and this is a guy who's been around Saint Louis since two. He doesn't seven. How do you think this happened to a guy at this point in his career that everything just sort of falls in place you don't mark maybe just maturity I mean? Obviously he's got a lot of confidence going. I mean in I think this whole team after winning the Cup is certainly came back with with that I mean good taste in their mouth. We're very confident in what they've done what they've accomplished in and and they want to do it again and I don't know David I mean. This is the Best David Peron. I've seen in the three times that he's been been been here in fact. This is the Best I've seen David play since he he came into the League. I mean let's not forget. He came in as a real youngster and kind of his has found his way but I watched him even yesterday and practice. And Yeah I mean he shooting. The PUCK is good as I've never seen anybody shoot the puck I mean even in practice he's scoring it was almost at will and For whatever reason and I mean I think he probably Dan even answer that himself. I mean he's obviously feeling very good about himself. He's skating as good as he's ever skated. He's shooting the PUCK. He's got that chemistry with Ryan Riley and I think that that has a lot to do with it but I think when you're having fun out there Playing with with guys that you like to play with on a team. That is very very capable winning all the time. I think it makes you really have a lot more fun. I think Dave is one of those guys that we talked about before Martin is that he's a kidney candy store he he's always loved the game of hockey. I mean I go back years ago as I two two times here. I mean Christmas party. The Skating Party. You mean he'd be out there with the all the you know the players kids playing Shinya out there on the rink because he just loves to play a hockey so he's one of those guys that has now taken it to the next level and a right now he's playing like an all star and if he continues to play that he will be an all star this year especially with all star game here. What a great thing that would be for him? It's funny that you say you love hockey. I guarantee people are rolling their eyes. Well how can you not love hockey. But I've been around enough. Football guys. Baseball is who you can tell. They're really talented but they just don't love the sport. I mean I think it does happen. Some guys are really good and you know Eric Crowds was a famous example superstar. College football player ends up in the NFL. They're switching positions and I think even said you know just don't have the passion for it so it's not always that easy. Hey you play hockey. Of course you love hockey certain guys have more of drive or a passion for that sport. Absolutely I mean you guys. It's a job and it is a job. There's no question for everybody the job but I think when you have more fun at your job and your Excited to go to the rink every day excited to put your equipment on and get on the ice and you know that You're having a lot of fun out there. It makes it a lot easier and I and I think that You could probably look around the entire league. There's probably more guys that. Look at it as a job as a passion. But I think with David Baron I Isaac David looks at it as a as a passion right now. It's fun for him. It's a game that he's always loved to play and and now at the level playing I think he's even having more fun than he's ever had it. You think teams get a mindset in overtime and I might have been a riley who told us you know. We don't panic because a lot of these overtimes to be candid for the blues. They could have avoided by putting a team away or not losing to late lead but the overtime it's thrilling unit. I've talked about the format but when you're winning you don't complain. None of us complain about the result. All but do you think there is a mindset when you've done it as much as they have lately that you just assume you're GonNa win absolutely I mean especially when you've gotta Riley in Baronne in an end up transferring together. Those three seem to just know that. Hey if they get a chance and as long as they win that face off and I look at the start if you win the face out. It's almost in overtime now. someone's going to win that game almost in the first minute and That those three guys are so confident out there. I mean they're patient and I think that's what you have to do. I mean I think everybody's kind of learned the three three on three a lot more now in the good teams especially with the good players. They know that. Hey they don't have to do it right away. If there's an opportunity go ahead and pull the trigger but don't take your shot from from a bad angle you know. Take a of you know honest chance of of of scoring a goal before you take a shot. I mean it doesn't matter if you skip outside the blue who line Make another swing at if you have to change again to another teammates. Don't lose possession of of the PUCK and and I think that this team right now. Is that Extra I don't even know where to go. They got that extra sense that they are going to win that game. And and Yeah it's become almost like a habit now that I really really believe that. I think they believe that if they go to a three on three overtime there's a ninety percent chance that they were GonNa win the game in Craig Ruby couple of interesting thoughts he said in the Ot he said said one of our goals is don't lose possession of the puck which you referenced there but part of that is not taking bad shots that are gonNA richocheting go. The other way and a lot of fans fans will destroy him. Shoot the PUCK. I probably done it from the press box at times on a power play during a game. But it's smart not not to have a dumb shot where you'd lose that possession. He he said the teams become really good at knowing win to shoot probably in other parts of the game. Are you more likely to just fire up. Maybe not is that a mindset to where you gotta be more judicious. Yeah that's exactly it Martin. I mean I think the perfect example was in Vancouver when Tyler Myers took that shot high and wide and then all of a sudden bowl all two guys over if his own teammates was three on nothing the blues ended up scoring on. But those are the things you cannot do. I mean everybody always says hey. A shot on goal is always a good thing. Well no it's not not in a three on three. You gotTA score. You gotta be shooting the score. You don't be shooting for a rebound or whatever you're doing in three three. You want possession the entire time and you. Don't I wanNA take any foolish shots especially from a bad angle and you certainly don't want to miss the net When you're shooting if the goaltender has to make save yes you get a face off? That's okay and then you gotta win the face out. But I think that You know Craig's philosophy is exactly. Let's not lose possession of the PUCK. If we don't get a good opportunity with your the first three guys is than you know. Let's not turn it over. The next three guys on give them the puck on the exchange and see if they get a a breakdown and able to score big goal. But it is. It's a it's become a very much a different game now I mean I think that everybody really works on three on three now and they know that there's an extra point at stake and if you get that extra two points GonNa add up a lot for the for. The end of the year standings a former Blues Coach heading towards a coaching milestone. We'll get Bernie's thoughts on that next great to have urban chestnut on board you know about their great fear and the Great Beer Garden hanging out in the Grove they've expanded there's just been the explosion of Craft Beers but boy goes way beyond that with urban chestnut they have become part of the saint. Louis scene I love that urban. Underdog if you haven't had it it's great American lager. Beer snobs out there. Get it my wife is the perfect example. Not a huge huge beer fan. I rolled out a little urban underdog. 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Great professors really a great experience kids involved in the athletics but again everybody is really immersed in what they're doing on the campus at all times Greenville Dot. Edu for more information about this great institution. They love hearing from bread holes. Well as we come back from the break here and digging in on some of the NHL headlines it's Joel Quenneville. Closing in on nine hundred career wins. Three hundred and seven of those In Saint `Luisinho Bernie. You didn't play four and probably played against him at some point. How do you look back on the Quin Valera here in St Louis well you know what jolted such a great job here as a coach I mean I mean? He's one of those guys that you know former player that everybody's Kinda like Craig groovy foreplay that everybody liked and everybody wanted to play for. I mean he did a marvellous job. He had a real a good team. And I think the one disappointment of Joel have the most is that he was not able to win a Stanley Cup here. had some really good players and they had some great years but unfortunately We saw finally. It happened this last year with the blues. Winning the Cup but I can't say enough about The good things to say about Joel. Because he's he's just he's a marvelous man Does a great job coaching which again to be thinking that that he would be at nine hundred wins. There's really absolutely astronomical. I mean you. What the Great Scotty Bowman with over a thousand wins but the second is really very incredible? How about the fact that on the Blues Resume career-wise Quenneville and Bowman were here? Al Arbour Arbor was here even Mike Keenan who has legendary name. He was here red. Berenson somebody you played for. Ken Hitchcock Lot of these guys are on that all time wins list just all spent time In Saint Louis and you had email Francis. Did you have him twice I just want he was gentle. I he coached. I just went over to general manager. You know once once I was here the first year that he just stepped Barkley played a little boy to go over the second year. I was here in Berkeley. Took over after that and then read and of course there was it's a revolving door after that but I think the one thing that's amazing though Martin is that I don't think you'll get enough credit for what he's done. I mean You know we talked about you. Know the Great Scotty Bowl when when you talk about Al Arbour you mentioned you know Mike Keenan this that I don't think Joel gets enough credit. I mean Joel's at the top of the list with those guys and I think that he needs to get more credit. It and I think the Florida was very very wise to to You know take your chance and bring them back and have them coach the Florida panthers all of a sudden they're in a place position right now and I think though Joel continued to drive that team everybody said loves to play with them and I think that's when you when you when you have coached that you really enjoy playing for. I think you wayland harder. I think it's because he's somewhat you know unassuming because I think you know Keenan had an aura hitch had the gift of Gab Scotty Bowman had a mystique to him whereas accused huge discount. I mean I know. He's got intensity and he's obviously got great hockey accurate but I don't think he does anything outside the norm. There's no flamboyance there were some of these guys have mentioned handle extra to the game so they tended to get more headlines. Yeah I would agree. I mean he's I mean he's a matter of fact and I and I like exactly the way you talk about that is that I mean He's dancing the the the the the the bench there in the thing. Good about yours that he does get emotional at times. I mean I. I don't like the coach. Just totally blase the whole time. I mean Joel's fiery. When something happens that he disagrees with them he's not afraid to to? You know to chime in or yellow or yellow one of the players and I think that the guys respect that and You know maybe he should be a little more flamboyant. Maybe he'd get more credit but I think his record speaks for itself. I think there's a couple of moments I think there was one. He may have done a Crotch grab on the bench at the referee data famous piece of video online and then a classier moment that I was told. And I don't know that I've ever asked about it but when Troy Brouwer Who We just talked about scored the goal game seven thrilling playoff win for the blues The hawks were the defending champs at that point. I believe and they're doing the handshakes and I was told. That coach q told a number of the blues especially people that he knew from back in the day. I hope you guys go and win it. And that's the guy in the same division and I'm pretty sure based on talk enough people that that's true but that's that's that's the guy who was fired by the blues still felt strongly enough to say. I hope you guys go and do it. Well he was like that too and I've talked to a number of times since he left here. He always wanted to come back Akkad. Unfortunately you know that didn't work out but You know Joel Love the Blues Organization. And he didn't want to leave what he was fired. He he loved it here and he he would have loved loved. Stayed here and want to come up with his team but I talked to many times after they won the cups he you know what he really believed that. Hey Saint Louis the fans here especially we deserve a cop and he. He was always rooting for the blues to to get their company. I know that he was very delighted to win. The Blues won the Cup. There's this time aren't final. Thought is burning. Turco's Turco's still do a nap after the morning skate. I know that's the ritual. I feel like the announcers go home and take naps paying her. Probably need one but is that part of your game day routine instill Martin. If I had more than only one job I might be able to have an APP I worked to do. I wish I could have an. Yeah but there's no such thing all right it's pucks with Bernie and Panger the hall of Famer Bernie Federico with us right here on scoop with Danny Mac Dot Com presented by Triad Bank. Marie Davila's senior senior Living Greenville University. 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July 11, 2019: Why Nazem Kadri Vetoed A Trade To Calgary

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July 11, 2019: Why Nazem Kadri Vetoed A Trade To Calgary

"So let's do this podcast Geoff. Let's do this podcast so I gotTa tell you. A story like. This is a good story so I get a D._M.. On twitter which I can't find anywhere now I don't know what happened to it. This person wrote to me and I wanted to write back to them but I I can't find the message of the litter or not and they just said you know we're big fans. The thirty one thoughts podcast and how come you can give us a summer goodbye one so I was going to write to the guy and say you know we're doing a summer goodbye one but I can't find it also goes by the way we also named our house cat after you thirty one. That's what it was. I because I'm not a huge cat person but I was flattered. I was like you know hey. I was going send the person a note saying look out. There's some podcast Elliot will call this summer series of podcast so we are going to release a number of podcasts over the summer many of which we have already recorded including this one there will be a podcast. That's also with Joel Quenneville. There'll be a podcast with George Soros and with Steve Mayor and then perhaps by then will be ready to get back to work on a more full-time basis and do more podcasts that are more current in the meantime. This'll be the big wrap up because that's the lead cadre is the lead Nasim Cadre you'll hear from him in a couple of moments on the podcast and he said some pretty interesting things specifically about not waiving his no trade to go to the Calgary flames. You'll hear the interview a little bit later on but that's an eyebrow raiser Elliott Friedman well. It was just interesting his reasoning and I want to spoil it to anyone. In first of all I appreciate the fact he was honest about it. You know there had been lots of rumblings that there was a deal in place with the flames and you know he basically confirmed affirmed it but I wanNA leave it to him to explain it because I thought his reasoning was really interesting and we'll follow up with that. After the interview in the meantime there's so many teams to go over right now and so many issues because we haven't been on since before free agent day but let's just is begin by talking about the Boogeyman and that's the offer sheet and we saw one and it was Montreal and some snickered at it you can understand the logic behind it front loaded twenty-one million in the first twelve months but Carolina matched with eased now who is a member of the Carolina Hurricanes your thoughts on that offer sheet and then we'll get to subsequent offer sheets and other Group Two's well first of all my belief is so Sebastian Aho is represented by Jerry Johannesen who also represents Brayden in point. My belief is Montreal wanted to do brayden point I he was their first choice and people say oh point. Did you reject an offer sheet. No I don't think it ever got to that point but I think brayden point has made it very clear. He wants to be a member of the Tampa Bay lightning and I think it was conveyed to Montreal the point would not be interested in doing that so target number two was a hole and they made the offer and the big winner in this whole because from what I understand Carolina and their offers were this it was eight times seven point five or it was one year now I heard all who account with five times nine point five but Carolina had no interest in that so Carolina was doing the word on the street was they were doing eight or one so all Ho is the big winner here and his agent does a good job because he gets them to U._F._A.. In five years which is something that Carolina was not interested in doing so he's the winner I have a lot of thoughts about Berge van in this one and this is me playing amateur psychologist but if you watch Berge vans media conferences in the last few years as things have been tougher in Montreal he gets really passionate in defending the organization in the moves he makes I went back and I watched the media conference after they announced the whole the contract he wasn't calling John like that will work out. It's great for the team if it doesn't you're left with a lot of salary cap money not spent without the player. Do you have a plan in case. This doesn't work out well. You know what this shows are. Fans chance that Jeff ownership that we want to be a good hockey team we want to win and we feel this the guy that we then if I was gonNA help he's a young player. You take a risk when you do that like you. Mentioned guys are getting signed but when you have that cap space tied up you can't go out and spend it and then you get the player than you in that position. You need to be smart and that's the risk we take yet. It's the chair is going to be gone by the time but that's the business we're in but we felt even if it doesn't happen with celebrity. Are you good hockey team. Are you worried about reaction from other jams. I'm sure what Hell's not with you or this is something that hasn't been done very often. I understand it's part of the within the rule and I'm responsible to Geoff Molson and our fans and that's what I'm here to do in like I always said it's not about just spending foolishly. It's about spending on the right people and we felt that Sebestyen was the right people to go after in the past. You've said that you haven't really been a big fan of throwing big contracts players on July first and so in this case your what was the tipping point in your mind that made you decide to go with this type of tactic well because usually by the time guys get to if you don't go offer she'd dig to free agency. They're older and some guys are oh good values but we felt this player at Tebessa in twenty one years old was the right target for us. We not get as he was not as emotional as I've seen him and it kind of made me wonder if he really thought that it this was the best idea first of all I wanna say this. I love that the Canadians did it. They made news. They did something different. It's great whether you like offer sheets are naughty like the offer or not it was great for for hockey. League basketball was went through crazy town and this was something different for hockey. It kicked up interest. It was good for the fans. It was different. You know the sport needs more of that so I support why they did it. I just got the sense that Berge Vans Hart was not all in it and that's why they didn't go up to the four first rounders or the next highest level I think at the end of the day even if he got the player I think he was worried about how much compensation they were. GonNa have to pay or give a why are they have the space and they need that position and the because you know the N._H._l.. It's such a this league is such a crapshoot now like you know every year. There's teams. You don't expect that missed the playoffs. There's teams. You don't expect that make the playoffs. I think what happened with Ottawa terrifies people. Do you think when Ottawa made that deal with Shane coming off the game seven in the Eastern Conference final they ever thought they'd be in the position. They were in with Eric Carlson and that team quite the opposite Nana chance and I think that terrifies terrifies people and plus also think about it. You're giving up on that case that would have been up three picks but if you go up you're giving up four and then if you go even higher giving up four first round and you're only guaranteed to have the player for five years like basically it's almost a wash you know I understand why they did it. I love that they did it but I just really got the sense watching Berge his heart wasn't he wasn't diving into the did like to sell job. Though as an organization we looked at the closest terrified that's the best who was the player and then after the windows opened were able to talk and he wanted to be here in Montreal he agreed to this. He believed that's is a really good offer for him and he wants to be part of the Montreal Canadian. Second Question is Oh yeah the angle on the solid John Wants to be here. He wants to be a Montreal. He believes in what we're doing. <hes> like putting those screws because the one thing that I keep coming back to on offer sheets is if it's matched the player has to go back to his team and we talked to Ryan Rally about this last year on the podcast. You need to go back to your team and in some ways you're going back to a team that you already tried to leave and it seemed as if very publicly Mark Berge was trying to reinforce that point even if he thought even if Berge man thought that the opera she was going to get matched. He's still wanted out there. That are who wanted to be a have not a hurricane absolutely I thought that was great strategy to but again like a you've seen version and combative in his press conferences he was he wasn't like that at this one which I thought was really interesting so I'm playing amateur psychologist. The other thing too is the the reason it happened at Carolina. Is People are still trying to figure out Tom dunton right. It became very clear that he was insulted by the belief that he couldn't afford to match it. The people were like Oh. There's twenty one million in the first year in Carolina. Carolina can't afford that Tom dunton is worth a lot of money and he clearly was insulted by the fact that people didn't think he could match it but what I think Montreal was challenging was not that he could match it and what everyone's trying to figure. You're out a couple owners. told me this is that he puts a value on things and he doesn't like to exceed the value. There's no team in the league that pays less for its front office. It's coaching and scouting staff relying Mike Colucci minded and he was what five hundred thousand cigarettes six fifty six fifty wins the Calder Cup and no thanks. That's too much sugar in the coffee. I shouldn't say there's no team but they're low. They are known for being low and that's because he says he's told people that the this is crazy like in the private sector these guys are making way more money than they make in the private sector and that's what he believes so for some other teams when they watch this they saw it as a test of how done valued the best player and they think that's why Montreal was willing to do that with Carolina and they learned that he valued as best player very high and he did surprise some people all that he matched the but they said once he kinda got challenged like he couldn't afford it. They knew he was gonNA match but they understood what Montreal was thinking so I found this whole thing fascinating and I hope we get more. I was going to say that's the follow no question do we expect more offer sheets. Summer gets deeper and deeper you know I think what this told everyone was. If you are going to jump in jump in don't tip toe your way in go to the top of the cliff. First round picks or vote would rocks or in that area check. Just that's I think when you're I don't worry how deep the water is now minor so this is where we're taking joey vendetta on our flagship the fan and five ninety <hes> sent the world into a tizzy last Friday. Now you have a team and the team that I'm hearing is a team. That's got the cap space obviously and also has the draft picks and there's a little bit of a history between this team and the Toronto Maple leafs and from what I understand it's should happen today. Nothing's guaranteed but the ownership has approved it and it could happen as early as today Joey. What are your sources saying in terms of a number? Do you know that iron twelve and a half million dollars. That's the number that I heard this is what I've heard about minor and again. You know everybody's being quiet so we'll see how close to the truth is actually is last Friday. When Joyce said that everybody was talking about the islanders? I think there was another team before that and I am my belief is that team was Columbus. I think they were thinking about it from what I heard and this is not like a fight like it didn't turn into a bad negotiation like someone said don't frame it as it turned into a fight between Columbus and the agent <unk>. I think what happened was if Columbus was going to do it it had to be for seven years and I think what I heard Martin was looking for or his side was looking for was less term than that and if you're going to go the full hole for picks you get in seven years if you're not giving up four first rounders for three or four years you're just not doing that and I think that's why that one fell to the wayside but I had multiple people telling me that they thought what if anybody was going to do it it was going to be Columbus so would I be off base of. I said what the monarch camp is probably looking for is a short term big money deal that gets as close to walking him to free agency as possible. That's. That's what the was the case. I think in that particular situation with the Blue Jack yes if that was going to happen. Is there a fear from the Mara camp then if they're going to go the offer sheet route that they don't want an offer sheet the Toronto can match again. This is me talking I think at the end of the day jeff he wants to be a leaf. I think he wants that more than anything else and I think they want him. I just he wanted to be at a big number. He wants to be in the Matthews area. <hes> and that's where we are now with this thing last week. A lot of people are pointing at the islanders and the rumor going around with seven times twelve and a half. I was really curious when I heard that because I didn't know if Monir Arnor would want to sign for term in case Toronto didn't match I even heard in Toronto. Monitor didn't even want that kind of a turn. No I gotTa tell you if that happened seven times twelve and a half with the island. I'm not convinced lease would match which I don't think they would. I think they'd walk away from take the four first round draft picks and say let's go shopping if he signs anywhere else for that kind of term. I wouldn't be surprised if the islanders were high on that list you think the maple leafs are modeling for life without martyr. I just think the Caldera's knowing the way he thinks I can't imagine like any other G._M.. You're not thinking about that at this point. You're thinking about both by the way somebody told me they saw John Checa Arizona's G._M.. Flying to Toronto yesterday yeah he's from the area you know I was wondering. Is there any chance that he's doing that year. Old Alma mater down the four chance he's coming for a meeting with monitoring Garner and I don't think that's happening. It was just funny that let's just sort of run down some the usual suspects here because none of them have contract yet you mentioned brayden point <hes> off the top. <hes> you know perhaps being the target of an offer sheet by Montreal before they turn their attention to Sebastian Sebastian our weather. It's Rantanen whether it's chock whether it's line a whether it's connor whether it's mcevoy who's most intriguing here to you. Oh boy well Beyers Niles will for an offer and now the Vancouver assigned Furlan. I'm really curious to see what they're going to be doing getting rid of players. Is Someone GonNA end up in UTICA next year. I'm wondering about that and you get a little over million comes off for cap. If he sent a player to the miners I think all of these things things are fascinating like Chaka so important Calgary Rantanen so important Colorado is a hold up martyr ever want to see what happens with this and then the other deal. That's what I wonder like getting to the middle of July and there's a couple in Winnipeg Calgary there's Boston. There's Colorado big name players and there's nothing and I was asking somebody about this today and the thing that's already happened though is that Matthew's and auto of five year deals so now you're starting to think am I going to be able to sign a guy for seven or eight years or are they all going to say. We want that kind of term so we get the free agency sooner and we can see where the new U._S.. T._v. deal goes so if we can rewind then tomorrow for a second if you're the maple leafs. The last thing you want is modern matthews because they don't WanNa do that. They want to avoid that so then. What does it become for years and you walked a free agent six eighty six? It's got to be a six year deal. I think Toronto and monitor of talked about a short term deal two or three years and talked about six smarter might want something a little different but I think that's kind of where they are you so here's the thing what happens. If somebody says okay we'RE GONNA offer. She'd someone but we're not doing it in the summer where they can go ten percent over. We were waiting in October and I'll tell you I have one prediction from an agent. Actually who said to me. This is the year where if this goes into November. Somebody's missing the full season. He said that what happened with knee. Lander last year is GonNa hurt the players because they said last year Toronto decided they were all into the Stanley Cup so we made the deal at the last minute and gave me lander a really good deal so there's going to be somebody this year. It was going to look at their season in November and say yeah. We're not caving in at the last second. It's hindsight but do you think of the police had a do over. They let me landers sit for the season no because I think they thought they could win the COP. I mean if you don't think you're winning the Cup the yes but they thought they were going to try to win the Cup but I do think they regret certain things. That happened happened in the end there. I think they regret just the way things happened. Last year. It was just a brutal year and the one thing I think Toronto's looking forward more than anything else is an end to this monitor saga one way or the other like everybody thinks Carolina's lucky their situation is over like is done with Dell said they don't have to sit there all summer and worry about it. It's over I mean Toronto would like this to be over so they can turn the page and just worry about hockey but I do think that it was going to say Jeff that the players themselves saw what happened to knee lander last year and how poorly he played and they said that's bad for us if it goes there's going to be a team next is going to decide. WE'RE NOT GONNA want to pay for five goals or a player. WHO's not ready Eddie based on what happened last year? Do you think that Montreal set the marketplace for some of these players with Yahoo offer sheet or is that irrelevant. I think the term I think is a big deal because now both Mathewson all horror five year deals so I think some of these guys are going to say okay. That's the term that's the big one now all right we move on thirty one thoughts brought to you by the next generation G._M._C. Sierra Denali. We'll talk about Vancouver that connects interesting off season yeah. We've got another new enough to talk about Vancouver signing Michael Berlin to a four year fourteen million dollar contract the twenty-seven-year-old average nineteen goals forty one points one hundred seventy six hits in the last is two seasons with the plays in hurricanes Furlan chance to play in the top six with team while adding some protection for earliest pederson brought besser and Quintus walked Vancouver Strip giving us your thoughts on why you're joining the Vancouver they were the right fit for you yeah no I thought I talked with my life nuts and they got a great young from in praise and Bolger in that you know the my style at our team that I could fit in nicely you know their young impeach bill and at the end of the day <hes> me and my wife thought out that's it for us and that's what we chose when you think that playoff series in twenty fifteen again the connects what do you think of and how much Alexa have you evolved as a player since then you know that was kind of wondering got my foot in the door and N._H._l.. Remember just being wide eyed plane playoff in nine cougar and just how beautiful city wasn't just the atmosphere in that building. I thought it was pretty exciting. When I first came into the league I was a bottom snakes tractor finish check and I think over the last two years I've of sabotage like adopt play with players? You know play good with <hes> Still Gaz also talk. You know I've learned a lot over glass. New Year's matured a lot of the Elliott. It is the <hes> although by the time I say this in this podcast comes Outta may not be the most recent news but the most recent headline line story three and a half million dollars four seasons Vancouver canucks Michael Furlan now. This is on top of Tyler Myers Mrs on top of J._T.. Miller and now this is dovetailing decisions on players like Brandin cider and Loui Eriksson your thoughts on Vancouver. It's hard not to look at their caps situation and say okay you know what are they got planned here. Somebody's going out and what I think you're looking at. Is You know Loui Eriksson he he wants to go and they want him to go. You know he's got some control over the situation with his clauses. I think what they're kinda telling him as if he doesn't play ball he could be in UNIKA. That's kind of where we are. At this particular point in time. They're going and a half to do something and I think that whole market is kind of fascinated with what it's going to be. I like Furlan. I mean the only question you have about him is his health is injuries but there was a lot of interest in him. I heard Calgary was on him. I heard Vegas wanted him back. Ah Yes I heard Vegas was on him. Someone told me Saint Louis was very interested in in Furlan and Vancouver gave the fourth year and they got him but there was a lot of interest in Furlan and of all the guys who waited later. I think he was the guy who most teams were interested in and that was because you know Saint Louis the way they played in the playoffs the just the heaviness for their team that player is very attractive again Tyler Myers J._T.. Miller this the team that is when you look at it like this is a team that says our division isn't necessarily strong <HES> A._B.. San Jose is going back down to the pack a little bit with the loss of Joe Pavelski. We got a shot at the playoffs well. If you look at it you've got Vegas. Who I think is really good? I still think San Jose's early good. I know Calgary didn't like the way their season ended last year but I still think they're very good and then you've got sort of like L.. A. Rebuilding Anaheim hi rebuilding Edmonton still finding their feet. I think Arizona's going to be a really interesting team. I think castle I think he is going to have a huge year so I think that based on him being comfortable or him vulva talk doc it or you know he's GonNa be dynamite this year. You just know you're going to be dynamite this year. I'd like to me on paper. I think the top four teams in the Pacific are in no particular order Vegas San Jose Arizona in Calgary I would put Vancouver Hoover ahead of L.. A. And I would put Vancouver ahead of Edmonson and I would put Vancouver ahead of Anaheim right now so that has them eighth spot. Maybe maybe so I think Vancouver is going to be the most fascinating team one of the most fascinating teams because it's boomer bus this year with that first round pick the gave up for Miller out. This is an enormous year for the Vancouver. Is this Vancouver looking at the situation and saying we have one of the greatest luxuries in the N._H._l.. And that is elise his pederson on an entry level deal absolutely are going to try to maximize this right now. Yes I think that is some of that and not only that you got Horvat is on great contract like that is a great deal and you know you know in a couple years. You'RE GONNA be paying for Patterson. You're going to be paying for Queen Hughes. I think corvette is a few years four years away from an extension. I think Podkolzin is going to be a big piece for them in two years. I think that was a great pick for that organization but this is a year where you know everything's on the line. They're they're going to be one of the most fascinating stories in the league. Everything's on the line for the G._M.. The coach players that want to stay like all of it. This is and you get the sense that they're we're trying to turn their roster over little bit obviously so it's going to be a massive year. They're a massive year. The end connects twitter like I mean crazy town like hey I like the Myers thing was bananas like when I tweeted Credo yesterday. I hear it's five times five and I was like. I don't think it's five times five and four times. Four is a little bit like you know that it's July in that fan base. They're mobilizing like the it's GonNa be Vancouver's. GonNa be one of the hot spots in the League next year big time Vertucci Virtanen Ericsson Sutter. Where's the room well? That's the thing like you know. Oh that changes are coming cells going to be out for the beginning of the year. You know that gives somebody a chance to keep a job or something like that. Look the Ericsson thing it has to end after what he said about green and green was really upset at that. That's that's going to happen one way or the other. There's just no way I shouldn't say no eggs is always something can happen but it's like. I can't see how he's on their roster at the beginning of next season. It doesn't make any sense the goalie situation they're coming up. I thought he was really good and you know I think. CAMCO is really talented guy <hes> so I I don't worry about your van. De Redo do give marks from the extension right now. If you believe in him do it now because it's never cheaper rate. If the guy's good the price never goes was down that team next year not surround them. Also I wait for us and Canada Vancouver with interest around them. That's important it's big big networks Vancouver netminders awesome the Lewanda retirement and Capri capture towards both Florida but more so Vancouver yeah that so I had heard <hes> their draft weekend that they were kind of expecting that that they knew it was a real possibility. I'll tell you I hate this. I hate retro as a guy who believes in finding loop holes in anything he does. I hate that this happened. I'm really against it. I thought it was unfair and punitive when it happened but that's the way the world work goes. Sometimes I don't like this. I don't think it's right. You know the deals were legal. I hate the fact that they went and retroactively penalize these guys. I don't like it at all but it exists and you have to deal with it and you just have to live with it. That's all and you know like I said I can't imagine there isn't some way where Longo is not an ambassador for that team for a long time because the way he held himself last year after the shooting and the way he was at the awards last year when he stood up and gave that great speech Wjr the great sense of humor he has on twitter still talking about now he has to wear elastic shorts like the rest of us. Welcome to the Real World Roberto that Guy's going to the hall of fame. I think the thing that I really respect about him. The most is is just that it was a real tough time for him. After two thousand eleven he was he was hurt like the fans were like the organization was and you look at what he did in eight years in terms of making his life better and making the way people saw him better like that's what life is about sometimes life just kicks you in a very bad place and forces you to eat a giant crab sandwich and you have to pick yourself up and move your feet and get going again Gada bed and do something and that's through biggest respect I have for him is that it could crush them and he didn't let it crush him. I have all the time in the world for that guy. Yeah all the time in the world for the long ago and I'm with Hall of fame all the way Florida yeah previous team there were moves froman carnally Atari but the big one for Brodsky comes in seven year deal ten million season other way that I framed it is this they were a top ten team offensively. He had the number two power play in the N._H._l.. The problem is they couldn't get saves Yup so when you know that you can score and you can score in bunches what are saves worth you. I know the ten million times seven is a lot but what are saves worth you when you know that you probably should have been a playoff team last year but the only thing standing in front of that was a safe don't save get more expensive. I remember working on the panel on the day that that God darn it was seven times ten in the no move clause for the first five years and and you know Berkey and nick were like Oh. I don't like that deal and I get it. I understand why they feel that way but I'm with you. Jeff like there are times you have to overpay and that's why back everything that Columbus did last year and I understand why they had to get this guy. If you don't fix that problem you're still the same your war watching Tampa Bay Boston and Toronto Clinch playoff berths at New Year's Day you had to do it and the other thing is I will say is that there was a lot of last season I would never have done it for Borowski and then you know after he crawled off the MAG first period against Tampa when you refuse to get pulled well four percent it was like don't put me but <hes> I did we did you expect prosecuted. Komo for Periods Corp assault was going to be out there and he was never going to play for them again but I think you have to take the chance and you have to give players a chance you gotta give your fans or reason to believe and and Florida's done that. I'll tell you I wasn't crazy about the stroman deal. You know I'm happy for him anytime. Anybody gets paid good for you. I point five three year deal yeah sixteen and a half I I thought that was big but you know what Florida brought the checkbook. You can't fault the Organization for coming out and saying we're going for it and I think Quenneville. I think he's a difference maker. I really do other teams around the N._H._l.. Have made headlines The San Jose Sharks and Air Carlson comes back Joe Pavlovsky lease and all those are the two big headline stories Elliott but I want to get your thoughts on Kevin. I had a lot of texts that aren't to get your thoughts on Kevin the bank and it's a one year one million dollar deal. We've Chris Cherney comes to mind right away players in San Jose that have taken their q o or something close to it and then you know triple their contract after a productive season listed this is Kevin La Bank betting on himself was fifty six point Caesar like and one million dollar contract. I understand that SAN JOSE is up against it. This one was an interesting one but I do respect the fact that this guy's betting on himself you know I gotTa Italian like Doug Wilson that guy. He gets done what he needs to get done and he makes people crazy like I'm off right now like this is we're. We're coming in Thursday morning. We're doing this but generally you and I were. We're rumors point. We're we're we're working on our tans right. That's what we're doing on your beard clean-shaven. I'll tell you I had something I had to go to Wednesday night where I had to shave off fair but it was getting it's coming back. He'll be there last summer. I didn't have to shave once this this summer. I'm GonNa have to shave twice Weinstein and wants to come and by the way I think I was going to. I'm going to share my head to go beard and bald. You're doing that look. I think so oh U._F._C. Style L. A. and it'd be very intimidating oof panel next year. So what does it make but I gotta guy no I would like to. I've never had anything that I really wanted to head to myself enough to do it. I'm not against it. It's got to find something meaningful anyway San Jose so that day when that happened like my phone blew up with people just furious and some of the people were agents because they're like that's a killer comparable now like the bank fifty six points a one million the you're looking at it from a client and now teams are going to say hey. He's making a million dollars and I said well. You can't let that team unique situation anyway they him taking his cue. Oh yes so they were some agents are really a noted that and then there our teams that were mad they were like you watch is going to sign in January. Some big deal in in San Jose will get away with it again probably wouldn't surprise me if he is a big. It's exactly what is going to have bike season. which many of us expect with that release? I mean come January. Okay I can imagine Doug Wilson Golfing in California or Arizona and just laughing at everybody thinks so furious at this contract people went crazy when they heard about that deal well the interesting interesting thing about the bank and we talked to would offer sheets a second ago with the heavyweights you know there was that thought out there that it was a second tier guys that would be more attractive because a compensation might not be that high by way of pick but you may price some teams out. A lot of people looked at players like gas berry captain. <hes> heavenly bank was the one that I looked at said you know here's a fifty almost sixty point fifty and here's your goal Guy San Jose's up against the cap but the Carlson deal like I just signed Meyer Joe is GonNa come back for a buck and a half plus bonuses or whatever Lebron might be the most attractive guy that says to me. He's like brayden point. He wants to say he likes it where he is. I guess if you're a player you look at it and you say. Where am I going to be happy? Am I going to be happy playing playing into May and June for less money or am I going to be happy calling it a year in April for more <hes> and La Banks a guy that obviously is content to play for less money into me and maybe June ally like I just like it. I just just like players that they gamble on themselves. Let's just see what the next contract is in January. What do you make Belsky leaving going to Dallas a great pickup for Dal- Dallas Getting Pavilion Perry look? They got blown out in games seventy. I know was double overtime but they didn't touch the puck all night. They'd scoring. They're really good. You know we just talked about the Pacific. Look at the central rate now outside of Minnesota. I can see any of those teams making the playoffs is Dallas the best team in the central after Saint Louis Right now I don't know I don't even know that you know here's the thing I don't even know that. Saint Louis is the best team you want to know. It's funny like they're kind of getting disrespected. People are saying they're not necessarily the physics first of all just won the cup laid. No I'm good with putting them as the number one team in that division and they're gonNA come back with a lot of the same group by the way had a great conversation short one with Bennington at the awards about. Are you still going to be hungry like do you after everything you've got to are you going to be the same guy and he was really good. He said that's a good question and he gave a good answer but he said like life usually find something to throw at you to make sure you're still hungry but it was obviously even he was wondering about that about himself any idea what his tickets can end up no. I assume like they're gonNA go short term and leave it open for a couple years. That's what I assumed but Doug Armstrong said the he said about Craig Berube as we're going to work this out and they worked it out and Baru bays making good number. I think he's around three point one. He said it will Bennington. We're GONNA work it out so you know I base it on that if he said they're gonNA work out Baru Bay and they did. I assume they're GONNA work out. Bennington have talked with is going to say like that division outside of Minnesota Chicago Chicago here in a little bit but Chicago's going forward again and they've gotten better. I like Dallas on paper. Listen Alec Dallas because of the goal I think they have the best battery and I really do. I think they have that that best combination and they'll do sixty forty split and they'll have to rest and goaltenders going to the playoffs once again and bishops state healthy this time around I don't know and mural hey skin man. I mean that Blue Line now is a killer Mundell Lyndale John Kling burling. That's it. That's a real blue line like Dow is a lot of reasons to be enthusiastic about Dallas. Who I think is also also getting disrespected in that division National WanNa pay just because you've seen them so much? We've seen them fail in a good team Winnipeg you know the the look at their Blue Line. They lost trubin. They lost Myers. I'm curious to see how that's going to affect. The most guys were horses versus for them. And how do you think Winnipeg does season and they're gonNA have a lot of talent. How much of it revolves around Patrick Line bouncing back? Well Line is a whole big discussion right because he's the one guy who seems to want to short soared bridge of all these guys and he didn't leave happy last year and we've talked about this. Some of that was his own fault. He wasn't as good as he could be and I think he chafed under some of the leadership there like the guys at the top of that food chain are hard-driving guys they expect you to buy into the program and I think that they felt he didn't buy enough and I think he felt that some of the things that they wanted ridiculous so you got a bridge that too curious to see what happens the them and the rest of the central we step away when we return Nazem Kadri of the Colorado Avalanche on thirty one thoughts the podcast thirty-one thoughts the podcast is brought to you by the next generation G._M._C. Sierra Denali complete with the world's first six function multi protocol gates. What's a six function multi protocol gate you ask well? It's a cool feature that adapts to whatever you need and it auto opens from buttons on the key fob the cockpit and the tailgate itself has got a load stop to prevent long items from sliding out of the cargo box and turns into a full width step for easy access. An inner gate allows you insert a platform into the cargo box. Doc Secrete a shelf the two separate items and becomes a work surface with a twelve volt power outlet so no matter what you're moving or where you're going the multi protocol gate gives you options G._M._C. Sierra Denali we are professional elliott replaced be joined by someone who's now a new member of the Colorado Avalanche and is now also a new member of the parents congratulations to Nazem Kadri. Are you prepared to be more tired and more happy than you've ever been in your life. <hes> I think so I mean I've I've been prepare myself for some time now and <hes> just finally nice that she's here and I got to meet her. Well congratulations wonderful for or your family. We'll start the interview off with is fantastic for you and listen we help everyone's healthy and everyone's happy and everyone's good. Everyone is thank you. That moment is on the first time you held your child. What was that like for you <music> I it was it was obviously it was <hes> words? Can you even explain it was <hes> you know like a world stopped and <hes> you know I've I forgot about everything else that was happening and you know it's it's almost a miracle so bless that she's healthy and happy and I'm looking forward to taking care of her and you're GonNa make sure she's the right hand shot to it. I haven't decided I'm going to be throwing a club in her hand and said well listen. Thanks so much for this and again congratulations <hes> of course the big story of the off season the trade with the Colorado Avalanche. What sense did you think that there was a chance that you might be moved? Probably you know a week before July. I just started to get the indication and <hes> I didn't think that Toronto was <hes> we shopping around. At least. I didn't really get that impression but I figured you know a lot of teams. Were we'll call about me and we're very interested in you know that was slaughtering to to hear but yeah I mean there's a couple of days before it's really third to pick up the talking my agent. I figured that maybe you know something could happen and the team was <hes> no very interested in picking me up and Kinda just accepted it obviously with hurt at first but you know with all the variables variables in place Colorado team Denver being a great city. You know now the dust to settle you know I'm actually looking forward to it Nasim. Can you explain what happened with Calgary. <hes> yeah should <hes> also what happened is they had a deal in place and they wanted me to move my no trade clause but you know obviously you know for me. It was no disrespect to Calgary or you know the flames organization. I love their team and I love the direction they're headed. Did I just figured that you know had I declined. I would've had a better opportunity of being a maple leaf next year and that's really what it came down to a wanted to play for the lease next year. I wanted to to be a part of that and you know in hopes of declining not true I <hes> you know I'd aspirations of being a leaf and clearly that didn't happen. They had other plans and <hes> you know I'm just copied to be moving to a great city with the Great Team Great Group of guys. I've talked to everybody in the organization and no they're ecstatic to have me so it's nice to be wanted true or false a you are renting Tyson varies house and he is renting your house <hes> newsouth Fast Ah Yeah I think that's the direction we're headed to. I met Tyson <hes> walk into my place the other day <hes> he's an exceptional dude. He's <hes> he's a real good guy and <hes> real stand up guy and it's unfortunate that you know we couldn't be teammates because I feel like we're pretty similar in terms of personalities but <hes> yeah that definitely could has potential happening. You know one of the great scenes of the last five years in the N._H._l.. Was Seth Jones and Ryan Hansen meeting at an airport and having that conversation after having been swapped for another. What was the conversation between you and Tyson Barrie? We just talked about life in <hes> obviously the city was giving them on and doing the same Denver Denver so no it actually made me feel a lot more comfortable <hes> talking to him and and <hes> you know knowing what the the avalanches although playing there's all ago and just all the details so <hes> that certainly made me. It's a lot more comfortable. I'm always curious. What players say to other players about advice on playing with the Toronto Maple leafs because everyone goes in? Oh I know what to expect. I know what it's like and then when they exit it's always wow I I had no idea it was going to be like that's what type of advice would Nazem Kadri. Give someone who's joining the Maple leafs. I got nothing but love for the city. You guys know that <hes> I'd nothing but good things to say. They've always treated me well. Fans ends of respected me <hes> most of them anyways but <hes> you know I I love the city of Toronto loved being a Maple Leaf and <hes> you know they spoil the to it. It's a great organization Badeah class <hes> with some great people part of it so I told them all those things and try to make them <hes> you know more comfortable but at the same time he understands that he's going to be under the microscope a little more Nasim. We've seen you grow up here like you're drafted a high in the first round till now we saw you arrive. Is You know the old line you go from a boy to a man and it played out a warrior heart on your sleeve. You love being a maple leaf. There was never any any question of how you felt about anything or where you stood about something. I'm just wondering in the last decade in a what are the things that you're going to remember the most both may be on and off the ice about how life changed for you. Will you wore this uniform. There's so many good memories like P P you guys here all day third dive into that but to see evolution Santa team grow you know meeting <hes> the staff the medical staff equipment staff. I mean just all great group of guys and you Know Door Games playoff games you know the maple leaf square with all the crazed fans <hes> outcome playoff time I mean that was something that <hes> was pretty unbelievable and something I'll always share Elliott mentioned a second ago. You always played with your heart on your sleeve like the one thing we know about Nazem Kadri is you played hard every single game and you weren't shy about defending yourself and defending teammates and I'm sure that Rasmusen Castellane lane his glad to see that you're gone from the Atlantic right now because he's probably seen enough of Nazem Kadri. What is it like going into a team like Colorado because we've seen you know you and Gabriel? Landis Gog go at a couple of different times. What's that scenario scenario like where you walk into the room? You know that you Atlanta Chicago nephew play Colorado would go at it head to head. I don't know if that's a kitchener London thing from the O._H.. Albert is very much a thing in the N._H._l.. What's that dynamic like? Nas I mean you gotta understand talk players. It's you know when altercations on the ice he usually stays on the ice. You Know Landy was one of the first guys show me and welcome team so obviously a very classy guy and I've heard a lot of great things but we'd so you know I think as players you understand that what what happens on the ice days on the you know usually my experiences testy guys on the ice. Are you guys off the ice so you know I'm looking forward to the HAM and everybody else Nasim. I was the best call or text message you got from current or former teammate. When it broke it was honestly I wouldn't be able to go on there was so many players that I've played with and you know everybody from the organisation reaching out and you know wishing me the best and you know it was pretty heartfelt and it's something that he'll I can definitely appreciate what you know? I've been playing with the team for a long time. That's a lot of a lot of great relationships shifts and those are the ones that are going to ask last a lifetime while you're obviously being very positive or there any hard feelings at all about the way this came down. I mean I understand that the business you know at the end another day. It's <hes> you know you want people looking back on it and you know for me. It's about you know going into next on my shoulder. I know what I'm capable of and you know. I want to just screw point more than anything so I'll be looking to have a big year next year you don't as we know that it's different playing in the western conference as opposed to the Eastern conference as a defenseman. Is it as profoundly different to play in the West as a center no. I don't think so long are plainly along at for a young kid. You know I'm sure it would be a bit of a change. It'd be tougher to adjust to for me. I've been playing for years and against those teams for years and the Western Conference France. Isn't you know the game of hockey has been involved in the speed and Skill Games slipknot these big heavy teams. I think Kansas certain understand don't do as well as they used to. So <hes> you know they're not gonNA get accustomed to obviously the altitude acute traveling a little bit more but you know that's all something that normally in life. I'm pretty good at making adjustments and this is one of those thing before we let you go. I want to ask you about the Nazem Kadri Foundation August AIDS. You're doing a charity event at Sunningdale Golf Club. Tell us a little bit of water yeah so nothing. Foundation is <hes> obviously my found eight years ago hosted comments <hes> locally in my hometown for about six six years now reasonable for a million dollars for local <hes> beneficiaries and this year. We're focusing on on mental health and just trying to help people out that need help. I feel like I've been put on this pedestal to help the community and you know that's something that's real wtma heart so <hes> yeah Tajik foundations always going to beat the odds and raising money and helping your stand-up Guy <hes> listened thanks so much for stopping by today best of luck with the with the charity events best of luck being a new dad as well the bags under your eyes. I'm sure we'll be well earned as they're all the parents out there and wish you nothing but the best in Colorado nauseam thank you thank you so the headline there being your question about the Calgary Calgary Flames and Nazem Kadri not waiving his no trade to go to one of the two teams in Alberta. His explanation was interesting. It was all you do. Is You ask a question you hope somebody gives you an honest answer right and he gave an honest answer which is definitely appreciated. It's it's pretty obvious that this was a situation where he was going to say. I'm not going to make this easy on you to make me leave Toronto. I don't WanNa go so you're going to have to take control out of my hands which they eventually did the unhappy. He's still having his charity event the very important just because you leave the city doesn't mean you have to leave your imprint behind. You can still do things that you want to do that way. You know he he said at the end. I'm going to have a chip on my shoulder next year. This is a guy I did not want to go but obviously the maple leafs felt it was time for him to go. He's always played with a chip on his shoulder <hes> going back to his days with kitchener in London the O._H.. L. And he will have that extra incentive this season and he's playing on a really exciting team to me. The Colorado Avalanche last couple of seasons has been destination programming like when I'm flipping around and I get to an avs game like that's it I push back and I watched I gets an a really exciting to you and he's probably going to be in a better situation positionally than he was with Toronto he was always playing behind John's avars and Austin Matthews and listen in Colorado. He's the number two guy down the middle right behind Nathan. Mckinnon exciting squad that he's going to that is a team that has built to win. They could have a really long window a really long window because the Blue Line is young and sore there <hes> forwards like it seems like he's been around for thousand years. He's still a young guy. McKinnon is still a young guy rant and is just coming off as E._l._C. and as you mentioned there d. in it looks like it's going to get even better you know Gerard Car Byron Era. They're all still new. Keep throwing him and don't forget forget him and they've got a shot here to be a good team for a really long time while they've gotten McKinnon on the best contract in the N._H._l.. Period and you know they they went after they offered him four times twelve and a half and now Adrian dater said it got to six times seventy which is a little over eleven and then they were willing to do a seventh year twelve and a half but one of the things they were worried about was term because they've got to do well they have to worry about Berry now because they traded him but they know they've gotta do group our and Landis Skog and they've gotta do Rantanen now so grube our Atlanta Skog and mccaren two years and you've got MacKinnon in four years so they were afraid of term but they could have a really long run. That's central division next year DASA. It's GONNA be murder tend to be great yeah. It's GONNA be Great. They're sending five so you're saying that Western teams are in big trouble. Listen to specific teams. I mean are in big trouble that don't finish top three when you look back at Nazem Kadri News time with the Toronto Maple leafs. WHAT'S GONNA stand out to you? What's going to be the last thing image or thought of Nazem Kadri time in Toronto Mirror? We talked about with Longo that there were low moments in you. pull themselves up like that's what I think about with cadre. Hey there was the Morello suspension there was times. You got sent down to the minors. You know all that stuff. He beat it back like he became a really good n._H._l.. Player whatever hurdles were in his way way. He was like a few. I'm going to plow through this and I think that's really a professional. It's unfortunate the way the suspension for the Second Monroe like you feel obviously that the team lost the trust and it was time to move on but I think he he was a guy who really liked being a maple leaf a lot to me. He's proof and Monir could even be more proof like there are a lot of Toronto guys. That didn't think if they wanted to play in Toronto. Now I know technically nauseam. Qadri is not a Toronto guy but he's a southwestern Ontario guy. Those guys are proved that your family can be around here and you can still be successful player. I think a lot of young people doubted that could be the case. They'd say it's better for us. If we go away because we won't be as successful with all our friends here with all our family here Monir and cadre we are proved that if you're a pro and you are single-minded infocus that is b s and that is probably the lasting legacy of both those guys that you should not be afraid afraid of having kids from the region as Toronto believes when they're young now this monitor thing. I don't know how it's GonNa work out but still if he stays in Toronto and again I say for the time I think he ultimately wants to stay in. They ultimately intimately want him to stay. He is going to go down as the best may believe ever from the city and maybe the best may believe ever but cadre is going to be high on that list and that's what they are going to change the belief that Ontario Toronto kids can't handle playing for this team at a young age one of the things that I always enjoyed about cadres career and it was quite recently as well when Mike Babcock focused him to becoming more of a defensive forward and a shadow. AH WE'VE SO SELDOM SEE shadows the age I remember once upon a time every team had a shadow and you're gonna live in the other stars hip pocket and he became that whether it was against Connor mcdavid whether is against <hes> Joe Thornton and we all we can recall the beard fight but he lead the people to have a conversation about Nazem Kadri and the soggy trophy and can you win the Sulky trophy. If you don't kill penalties yes really turned himself into an outstanding to a player to the point where we were saying well. How much did that's a play on the penalty? Kill <hes> EXAC. These are the conversations we're having about Nazem Kadri and it was only two seasons ago like that's the kind of player he turned himself into. You know like Genteel doesn't win the Stanley Cup. You need guys like Nazem cadre like he got himself in so that the whole situation with Thornton was unbelievable and some of the stuff with crosby was absolutely hilarious but you know he's funny to watch like I you know some of the stuff he would do on the ice. I thought it was just hilarious and you know the one one thing. The Colorado really could benefit from here to is that he didn't learn the lesson from the suspension the year before this is the ultimate shock to the system and if that's what does it Colorado I was going to benefit okay you mentioned are tammy panel and a couple of moments ago didn't sign with Colorado obviously signed with the New York Rangers who all of the sudden have turned it around and the metro just got better at the draft with one to going to the devils and the Rangers and Tammy PVs another shark in the water in that division your thoughts on pioneer. Well people find this vomit inducing when I say this but the N._H._l.. Needs the rangers to be important and it was not lost on people. The WHO live in New York City that is the New York Knicks or striking out on Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving and they were going to Brooklyn the Rangers landed the biggest fish and that was not the biggest offer he was getting New York said there was a limit. They went to their limit and he took it. It's a big deal for the Rangers. It's a big deal for the N._H._l.. No you look they've got TRUEBA. They got him. The got capital Cocco who they're really excited to get the tally crowd saw Christ Common Keitel Adam Fox like grocery store like it's big. It's big like what they've Gordon's been able to do. You listen a lot of it. Gordie Clark always gotta give the nod to the scouts in situations like this but wasn't a about five minutes ago. They were writing a letter their fans explaining how to throw in the towel and here you go like they're exciting now and and again we've talked about all divisions. Look at that Metro next year like I think Washington is going to be really good. <hes> ever sleep on the penguins crosby all you never sleep on them. Awesome devils pick up he keisu ban and Hughes's. They're trying to convince all stay about the Hudson is a really big deal again. Because of WHO's there now rangers are better know the islanders and Carolina you're talking about a second round on team and Eastern conference finalist philly the expectation is like hey the weights over like they are expected to be there and they're behaving like classic Philadelphia. No no excuses no excuses like I honestly look at the central and I think that's the toughest division in the N._H._l.. Next year the Metro I don't necessarily think the teams one to eight are the best but I think they're going to be extremely competitive like. I don't think they have the best teams I think it may have the most competitive division of the central and you can say okay. I can see WHO's not gonNA make the playoffs. I don't know if you can say the same thing about the metric. Everyone is going to be in it to me. Washington is the best team I mean Columbus. We all know like I would say. Columbus is going to be fine. Dude you do well. This Jones were Renske Atkinson pierre-luc tube good player. They still have fliers. I don't know I don't think it's like Oh splash down to the bottom of the pool year for Columbus I think Columbus give me all right and they're going to play hard by. I think Washington the best team but I don't see anyone the one who I'd say they're out like I think that division is going to be like like a dirty streetfight all year all year. I just look forward to the Rangers in the devils games again because now there's the Hughes Kako Sidebar to its. I was privy to one team's top three <hes> Kako dark then Hughes Yeah. I don't know about that. I don't know about that either. I'm not saying I'm just saying that was one team but the rangers all of a sudden now that division next year to be rebuilt on the players or their now. It's just you know put water and it's going to be another team. That's on the horizon on the yeah on the on the rebuild because it's only been a couple of seasons and they have their primaries in place. But where are you at what Chicago is doing the Yoga Harju deal that surprised a lot of people now after it got dine a number of teams. Tell me that Chicago had made him very available around the draft and for whatever reason Chicago did not value him as highly as the rest of the League did and it always makes you wonder because they know the player the best they felt in Stan Bowman did allude to this on his post trade conference call with Bowl quist and some of the other prospects they had and Mitchell they'd move those guys ahead of Yoga. Harju are Jew so I think it's pretty interesting and it'll be curious to see how this all turns out but the team that had this player did not value him as highly as the rest of the League and and they just drafted him a couple of seasons the draft in Chicago the and that was the day they made all their big moves. That was the crazy day so they bring in Alex neulander from the Buffalo Sabres <hes> near the fresh start needed a fresh start. It's not China's if Chicago hasn't given other players fresh starts most recently dones fromm and that's worked splendidly. You see what happens with Alexander but Robin Leonard comes in only Mata comes in like this Byzantine that's interested in tearing down and rebuilding the team that we're talking about the penguins with eighty seven seventy one that are saying we slept tapes love Cain to have Keith so have some fumes from the the rock and roll days. Let's reload letters Leonard Interesting when we talked to really the podcast about La- bank at Corey Crawford in the last year of his deal tough road for him healthwise last couple of years. There's a number of teams that said they would not be surprised if an extension comes relented and Chicago sometime sometime during the year if it goes well is this just ask you bluntly. Is this a fight for a contract between Crawford and letter a one of the two is gonNA come out as a number one goaltender for the blackhawks next season and this year's going to be the fight between the two of them yeah. Probably I think there's something to that but I had a number of people tell me they would not be surprised if this is just step one of lanner in Chicago be interesting to see. It's too bad the way that happened with him. In the islanders like you're never necessarily GONNA get it out of Lula Morello about what happened right and by the way I should mention that the whole monitors offer she thing we talked about before with the islanders most interesting comment I got about it is if Lulu Morello was going to do this. Do you think it would be this public. No Oh which I thought was really interesting area fifty one yes he's. That's Lou but you know it's it's unfortunate. It was such a great story last year Leonard The islanders beautiful speech at the awards. It's unfortunate that it worked out this way but it's business. It's it's business and the buffalo sabres doing businesses well. They pick up the defensemen. <hes> as you mentioned Henry Yoga Harju a Colin Miller comes in and other things a little bit of business and you wonder because I don't think he's done what's next for facing bilateral who all the talkers Abo- razzmatazz crystalline in and I just heard the price was very high around the draft near the O'Reilly trade didn't work out well for them so I think they're careful about you know trading somebody else who becomes a big. Piece in another place <hes> we've talked about the rumblings of him in Tampa Bay but I think he's got him out there and we'll see where it goes like this one guy out there and he says this is his own opinion not based on anything anything you heard but he could see them targeting someone Anthony Mantha from Detroit no idea of Detroit's willing to do anything like that but they could see that being the kind of player that Buffalo would target you know we'll see but he's definitely out there but I've heard the prices high why don't Lethem Matt Cullen who calls it a career after twenty one seasons in the N._H._l.. What a great running? You know I totally forgot that the year they won the cup in <hes> in Carolina. He was like third on playoff scoring for them. I totally forgot that where he's Stillman was number one and he was a guy that your stomach was so good that you can ward. I know it's a sexy. Here's my Funny Mad Collins Paul too so a few years ago when he was playing in Nashville I asked him is this is GonNa be it for you and he goes yeah. I'm thinking about it. This could probably be it and so I put it in thirty one thoughts and his agent Pat Morris called him and said you never see that never see that so every time. He told me that a two so every time that we saw each other in the future. I said I'm not even GONNA ask. They don't want to get in trouble with your agent and he would always get a good laugh about that. What a what a Ronnie had yes awesome run? You think you know hey. I'm going to playoff game lasts for the N._H._l.. Twenty Years Nobody thinks that you know a guy like him and I always look as cups. I always look at a guy like Andrew Galeano this way guys at find a way to change their game to stay in it and that's Mac Colin was able to do and that's that's why I think that Andrew Cargo is going to stay in the game for a long long time because listen in this game more so than ever. It's the chameleons that indoor sure some of the superstars do as well but it's a chameleon guys that okay this isn't working. I'm going to be this display now. Isn't that the story of Cullen Abigail play up and down your lineup like that's back when a face off not no no that he's there for twelve minutes and just deal with that wonderful career for a Format Collin we mentioned New Jersey a couple of seconds go to sort of bouncing around here as we closed at the podcast for the season future for Taylor. Hall you know you mentioned you know the New Jersey devils. Are you know this is the very public demonstration Gratien that this is. Not you know rebuild from the starting line that this is a team. That's moving the needle. This is a team bringing in Sioux bands team has got using a significant spot went to up the gut him in Nico He Scher. Where're you out on Taylor Hall because he might just be poised to be next? SEASON'S GIONTA virus see the one thing people remind me about the devils is that their owners own the Philadelphia Seventy sixers in the N._B._A.. And that has been one of the more creative creative and daring teams of the last decade so they think their default is. Don't be afraid that runs through the organization. Don't be afraid so you you have to assume that they're going to be bold and they're going to be unafraid to try things. That's why I know there. Were some people who thought they might do an offer sheet because that's the way their ownership kind of things. I think you have to be honest with yourself at some point in time. They're gonNA have to decide a do. We really think he's GonNa come back and then be if we don't think he's GonNa come back. Is it worth us to keep them and make a run to the playoffs like I love the Wayne Simmons contract. I thought that was a really smart move by them them. I like the P._k.. Gamble three year deal basically what it is nine million a year you take that one hundred times out of a hundred so I think they're unafraid but you have to ask yourself those two questions one is really coming back and to if he's not coming back. Is it worth it to keep them to take the run to the postseason see for me. It depends on what's out. There and I still think that there's value in giving those kids a playoff run. I agree with that. You know and we've talked about this too. Is the whole thing going to change the way anyone anyone looks at this okay. I wanted to get to that because I wanted to be last on a second. Let's get there. I just wanted to close out with Hall. Is I think just the devils have to ask themselves. What's the most important thing let's do the coil end because this podcast is based Jason Toronto <hes> and the country was in basketball heaven and I've never seen this country behave this way everybody in Canada's a basketball for that sport and I just know picking up my kids every day at school? Every the kid how basketball everybody was dribbling it was mania it was crazy and it was fun and it was a wonderful ride is there a lesson hockey can learn abode coli Leonard and his decision to join the clippers well N._B._A.. Free Agency is insane like you're sitting there and you're looking at what's coming across and you're like really so first of all. I wanted to stay like we were flying to Vancouver last week. I took my family to go see Paul McCartney and when the plane landed that was just as the news was breaking news going to the clippers. I sowed a tweet which when I looked at later I was like I must have been bombed even though I didn't drink on the plane because the tweet didn't make any sense at the end but you know I just said you know I got no problem with this and I think they should retires number for the one year. He stayed there and my mansions after they were a tire fire like people were either yeah I agree they retired or you. Losers stick the hockey who gets tired after one year. I don't care it was funny. I was laughing reading all the responses but right now we find out the only signed for two years plus one right a player option which don't exist in the N._H._l.. So there have been times where the N._H._l.. His said quietly in the players have been prepared for this that right now the maximum the contract is seven years of free if he goes somewhere else in eight if you resign your own player the Max in the N._B._A.. Are Five and four. I wonder if the N._H._l.. Ever looks at this free agency and says we're not not going to five and four because I guarantee you four situations going to happen in the N._H._l.. Or players are GONNA start lining up their free agency and saying we're going together. Korea Salani may happen there before Tudor Parisa but was that really we're going as a pair though I mean they both went at the same time and they didn't have the same agents months in advance. They were going together Caso career salon is the big West on Beasley and they go to the Colorado Avalanche on the low money one year deal the way the salaries were working at that time that they came in low. They could ring the bell the next day believe rate of ten million dollars. I'm doing this off the top of my head so you think there's a potential because hockey players think profoundly different than basketball players. I know rethink that. Let's say the next time you see rolls around. If the League wants the five million this could be see one of those unforeseen circumstances. Should they go to a Max five year well beginning next season. We have the tour right the N._H._l.. Player car wash. We're GONNA know if the C._B.. is going to be reopened at least at that time by the players players because it's after September first and before the owners have the opportunity to do. It and I don't think it's going to be reopened. I think they're going to get a deal done or at least move in that direction that summer at least that's the way I choose to feel right now by I. I just look at it like this player. This group of players is changing. They are changing and if I just want to know and I'm going to ask it is the League of be concerned if they dropped the limits the say foreign five years ears do they think more players do this now. The super teams not the same the angels the N._B._A.. But could you imagine if you know four big players did that all of a sudden decided to go to the OH I duNno New York Rangers it would v Bananas That would be and we'll see what happens <hes> this off season speaking of the off season we will continue with these summer series of podcasts here on thirty one thoughts you will hear from Joel Quenneville. The head coach of the Florida Panthers Panthers. You'll hear from George Soros the head of the Department of Players Safety and you'll hear from Steve Mayor as well chief content officer from the N._H._l.. Before we wrap things up by the way one I mentioned the music for Season Two because Amel our producer is such great job with this and doing deals <hes> to make sure we can you know present good music here on the podcast season. Two is on spotify right now to encourage you to check all that out Elliott is wants to couple shutouts first of all I met Kristin Nelson Big Fan of the pod always she's listens and are her beautiful boy Carter yesterday in an event I was at and it was great to meet them and I just wanted to say hi guys. Listen a lot last night briefly at a dinner in Toronto. I met a young man by the name of Matt Tom. Tom Going into his junior year at Princeton. He's a right shot defenseman on the Tigers. I saw them play once last season he was O._H.. L. Drafted by Kingston but he chose to go to the Anti Aa Ray shot defense undrafted in the N._H._l.. I know he's got high hopes and I just wanted to wish him. A great season was great to meet them excellent. I'd like to say a couple of thank yous first of all to all the people who listen this podcast would not exist without the listeners so we appreciate the fact that take you guys all download this and listen. Thank you very much. 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Twenty-eight cavalry's fourteen we start there galaxies offense what they were doing trying to score down who scores with two minutes ago. It was Stony. It was Jurassic. It was like television in non of mental reality. Oh, all right, guys. All we're going to be around the horn to you first. What does the Cowboys biggest problem? Now, they got a they got a lot of them. But number one the quarterback always gets too much credit. And in this case, he's got to get a lot of the blame. Remember, this was a guy that started out thirteen and three when he had Tony Romo ready to replace him at any moment they lost that playoff game to Green Bay. He's gone twelve and twelve since then and how it had a chance to put them up fourteen nothing on second and goal. And he threw that intersection. He's making too many mistakes. He's proven that. He's just not gonna him like the team mediocre Bill plash you Frank says Dax the biggest problem, what do you say look at the bigger picture since they last won championship twenty three years ago. They've won three playoff games, they'd gone through six head coaches. They've gone through twenty one quarterbacks and one general manager who's a general manager. And where's those flames? Twenty give me those planes. Emails you're asking the Lord here. You get married. It's Jerry Jones the reason for the. Oh god. It will sell the team Jerry Jones needs to change general manager with needs to get rid of himself. Fire himself gets to run the thing if he's the only constant everything's different. Troy Aikman said the same thing today. Jerry Jones needle in Yates. He does because there's Marianne problems. It's not just a quarterback. First of all Dak is doing a lot more. He's making ridiculous mistakes running out of bound who'd he shouldn't be throwing the ball out of bounds and not getting yards. It's really strange out. His development has gotten of truncated they've replaced their offense of line coast because that's an issue as well. And Jason geared is blowing challenges all over the place. I mean, look the Cowboys a lot of issues. Sure is easy to say that the general manager fired maybe therefore pick better players to French point about mediocrity. But overall, they've got an issue here from from the top down, leadership wise, they've got to figure out Brian. When are people going to come to the conclusion it air Jay AT, just another team? All right. They have been just another team for a long time. And by the way, giant press. They've always scored seventeen point six points a game your last sixteen. Now some of that Cup ability lies in on the quarterback, but not exclusively. So the great tight end is now in the vodka poop. I went about that wonderful offensive line the geo offensive line didn't even hear about it anymore. Lot more problems than doc pussai. And there's nothing the ultimately couldn't be solved if Jerry Jones would just take a nice round the world cruise for the next eighteen months. That's what I said. Right. So let's go deeper on this. Let's bring Clinton Yates, and Frank I saw to address Bill and Bob just said the idea that Jerry Jones owner of the team should step down as general manager of the team to ever see that happening. Clin yates. No. But that's why you should probably get rid of Jason Garrett. That's what I'm saying. The first thing is going to happen is going to be the scapegoat the head coach. It's certainly not going to be him to send him and he's going to do something different. When it comes to to the decision making process, if you know you're going to get rid of him. Anyway, what's the difference between now and later if you know this team is not going to the playoffs. I don't care if they're mathematically around. They're not Jerry Jones doesn't become Jerry Jones by listening to Troy Aikman. Bob. Ryan bill. After. Now, you want to tell him to go get a better quarterback. You wanna tell them to get the ball? Maybe a little bit more to Zico. That's one thing. You're not going to get Jerry Jones who so badly wants a win at least one more Super Bowl. He's going to give up everything because you guys think he's the problem. Do you think people you never gonna convince off let me ask you this? Jerry maintains that Jason Garrett is gonna finish out the season. Make the case four against that being the right move. Bob. If they think they're really going to accomplish anything, then they they they're going to keep them. If not if they want to start thinking about next year and getting annoyed new voice in having a new fresh. I set of is look what they got left. Then get rid of Plachy they need to get rid of Jason Garrett. Now, they need to get a quarterback whisper in they're they're stuck with that Prescott. They have no first round draft picks next year on the word the next quarterbacks gonna come from. They need somebody to work with Prescott Garrod his voice is not being hurt anymore. I'd make the change. Now. Anybody want to address the actual winner of this game? Is that something you guys talk about your fantasy tines? Bob Ryan, can you see the titans winning the AFC south? I could see it because I still need to be sold on the Texans. Okay. Circle your calendar. Twenty six November they play each other. And you know, I think we'll know a hell of a lot more than Bill. I'm watching. I'm watching a team that is converted. Seventy nine percent of its third opportunities. Mike rails got them going along the way they play four of their last six games are at home. I like to titans to win that division. You've got to win that division. Bob Ryan thinks that game at the end November is the key game Clinton Yates, Frank. I saw they don't have any time to talk about the team that won the game. They're too focused on the NFC east and the Dallas Cowboys will move on farewell Miami. What does it mean? And how students Holo pits? Nobody knows Steelers have Thursday night game versus Carolina this week. So we're going to be active for that. I think we can all see where that's trending. Here's something. Interesting contrary to previous reports, and all this may be confusing because of legal mumbo jumbo contractual member Jim though, it's now being reported lady on doesn't. Have to report to the team this year to become a free agent after the season Clinton Yates around the horn of you is bells best value higher or lower. If he sits out the entire season. I gotta say Tony the contractual mumbo jumbos actually, very important here in very confusing at the same time. But that being said, I don't think you'll be unveiled is necessarily the same value that he was that he was this season going into next season. He's been out a year and to me in the NFL. That's a big deal. I understand you're trying to save his legs. I understand that. He's not that old. But overall, I just don't love him guys aren't playing the game as a form of sort of improving what they should be. You don't know what's going to happen when he goes to the next team if he's even still going to be happy because because of the contracts he gets I don't love it. When guys decide not to play. And then when they come back. You don't really know what you'll Plachy? Would inbound on this panel take a Twenty-seven-year-old running back who's the best in the league who just had a year off? Everybody would at people. He's smart to set this point. He's all in wealth with the money lost so much money. Anyway, sit out his value much higher. If he comes back next year, healthy rested twenty-seven running back it all works. Very guy. Sola? Bill. You got to football teams in L A start paying attention to the sport there in first place. New York you got zero. Well, God flat buys ING him to sit out. And he's already lost ten million dollars at a position where the window is so spoiled at any moment, you can get hurt. This makes no sense to me. Who's to say you sign him? He might not hold out. Again. You cannot tell me that LeBron bills helping value by now, I want more I sold over splashy. I Bob Ryan. Now, I'm not gonna mess. What I saw tell you. Look the answer. The question is probably higher because the I subscribe to that theory that sitting out a year is a good thing at his age. He saves so weird carry year. We're in Tehran, a body at Gary's position, I think that and by the way, he doesn't have to improve. Oh, yes. To keep the rate of regression down. If he's telling me ten percent less than what he was last year. Hey, still a top five back in Chinese by what Bill she said. And of course, Plachy solo. I mean, this might get very physical. But the idea here Bill are you saying that we could see other players take off an entire year? And it would be a good thing for them and their. Career and could dry not the players. The players have no power at all. Once they can be cut. They can be used. They can be abused this way. He takes time off gets his legs healthy what's the one knock against running backs? Is that they're great. And they don't have they have a short you'd like to add to that. He's losing ten million dollars by not playing. He's already lost. It. Frank because he listened to you, and he didn't show up and they're in first place. Let's not forget that they're not as James condos right at the top of the writings that's not forget that when the team is in first place right now as well. But that job that good job Clinton for with you. Fred year. I said that typically that doesn't really affect though, whether this is going to be a success for lady on bell from Libya on bells perspective, maybe from the Steelers perspective. But from Bell's perspective, not so much. We've been horrible move on. Now gets one fifteen Celtics one zero seven let's talk about Jamal Murray's alot moment. Alot career-high forty eight. And he went for fifty at the buzzer said he was trying for it. Because he wanted that fifty Berger said he shouldn't have done it. But there was no harm done kyri. There's a little fight the after this. And after the game he said, he didn't wanna make a big deal over it. But it bothers every competitor. Bob, you've covered the game for five decades and urine Basketball Hall of fame will defer. To you first here, are you? Okay. With Murray taken that shot. I'm not upset. I'll put it that way. Look, I hate all of these unwritten rules in all sports. Here's what what upset me. And here's where he would have been a beep if he had taken it to the hoop unmolested and laid it in then I would have said Bush that's crappy, but this thought upper shot from thirty five a curry s shot, and if it goes in, you know, what you do if your car you go get say, Pat him on the back and say great game and walk off the ground guy Solis in question to you. I'm surprised by you, Bob. First of all, it's sportsmanship has nothing new with written or unwritten rules number one number two. They took possession with over twenty five seconds to go. So in the flow of the game. He took a shot with seventeen seconds on the shot clock fine. Once they got the ball back with ten seconds to go. You you you dribble out the clock in that situation. You don't take the shot there? There is certain protocol. He violated, and he knows it. He said after the game himself buddy wants it on. I felt here. I Clinton Yates a certain protocol the goal of the game is with the ball in the basket and you play til the whistle thing. This is pretty simple and Bob Ryan told me last week about how special every fifty point eighty was. So why on earth would you not a third year player? We're trying to do this. I don't understand how Cairo Irving the leader of the Boston Celtics, losing, psychological battle this chain. Because he's trying to have a good night on own his home court. It's ridiculous. Clash frank. You have to NBA teams, you ought to pay more attention to the NBA. We all those unwritten rules you Frankie center and complain about the unwritten rules in baseball yet. You're saying you saying this is an unwritten rule. Let him have fun. I'm on fire mister Fahrenheit, the so let let them have penetrated. There's nothing wrong with the kid was just making. It was it was just throwing the ball. They're the crowd was going crazy. He was having fun Connery. Look like a fool what he did ask you this real quick Frank. I Sola you'd like to amend your statement. Now after getting the heat from Bill flash. First of all, they got they got one team in L A, and it's the clippers Bill should know that by now. Though over they were shaking. No one was defending what you guys criticize Ricky Davis. When he did that was not the right thing to Michael Malone said at the head coach Jomo Murray said it carrier having it wasn't the right thing to do in that situation. They gain. Flat earth earth. Okay. I'm not follow. This guy's protocol real quick. As we go to break. Hey. Oh, these Denver Nuggets nasty the only team to be Golden State nine one right now as we go to break right here recalibrate their winds Hodel and their seed let me hear it this fifty five when teen could this be a sixty wind team Plachy fifty five win thirteen. All right Clinton, say right guy solo. Let me hear music in it. Fifty three wins for the no. Br is. We'll see what happens on the other side of that. They're in the west. Smoking always affected my daily life because I was a closet smoker. It really sort of controlled my entire day. My boss is the one that recommended Jewish. So I decided to give it a try. You don't get any of the odor of smoking. There's no ash all over your car. I would say give it a try get the flavor and satisfaction of smoking without the mess of cigarette. Asher lingering odor. Switch to Joel check OJ dot com slash sports. If you don't smoke vape don't start warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical west that to around the horn brought to you by shakes coming to you from the seaport district at Pierce seventeen. The question as we get into buyers. Still it's anybody know it was a college bowl night tonight. Yes. Okay. Michigan state. That's number one versus number ten and number two and number four two. This is a huge night. This is not you're gonna hear about. I'm selection. Sunday, bill. Do you like your season starting like this? Or is it too soon for good teams to put it all out there and expected basketball too soon too soon twenty I wanna see the dodgers and giants play in may not in spring training. This is spring training. I'm not interested in plus it's election. I what are they thinking? Putting these games on election night when the nation be watching about the nation's futures house is people can do through things at once. That's what they're thinking. Clinton Yates, please go ahead. Did I not watch to play in Canada on this network to once ago before the college football season, give me? If you start you'll give me into this free training. So maybe playing basketball the whole time. Why would you turn down bad basketball when it comes to the college game? I'm certainly not one that's going to do with this sort of is produced some of the best games of the season. So far too. Okay. Okay. For second. You don't think this is gonna be bad basketball tonight? You'd think it'd be good best this tournament. Specifically is turned out some pretty good teams in its history. And I think it will break got Sola tournament. Philly me, I felt feel is going to say it school night. He was worried Zion. Williamson playing at nine thirty game in Indianapolis. Why not have to season off with poor marquee teams? I got no problem with we all know college basketball starting tonight to great games. I'm all for Brian. Dearly. Departed Bostonian named Jaclyn old one set on the subject of the Red Sox and Yankees playing in April too much ice cream before dinner. That's what this is Bill Plaski on the left coast hundred percent. He's right, right. Torelli escape first of all that you want to see them at their best. You know, what the perfect time for this game to be played is the week between Christmas and new years that witnessed games should be nine. Well that I'll allow for that. Bob ED's for me this one. Are you most excited to see tonight? Oh my God. It's gotta be signing. Winston back this this morning. And I'm Jay Phillips this on on the Golic and wingo saying that he has never he said never any are never seen anything like Zion. Williamson six seven to nine thousand and I had to extend the machine the measures your because he comes to. I'm for it. I said I got a seems Guskey on add to that. Go ahead. No. Yeah. I wanna see the other guy. I see John Williamson a million pounds viral videos. I wanna see our hair picking the whole. There you go. We'll move up our cell to Chicago Blackhawks firing Joel Quenneville and all his assistance this morning. Quenneville is one three cups. And if you come at the Quin, your best, not miss Clinton, you okay with the blackout sparring Glenville. I don't love it. Everybody knows stand Beaumont is the GM and his team put together a bum roster. And he's trying to throw you out with the rest of it. But here's the thing. People say they fire coaches all the time in the NHL last season first season since the original six expansion, no coaches got fired Kim season. So there's been twice a week in the NHL now. So I'm not really loving solo. I don't know longest tenured coach in the NHL. He had won three Stanley Cups. Only think he deserves a little bit better than this sounds like they wanted to get rid of him during the off season. They waiting for an opportunity. I don't like Bob Ryan. People Takagi note, this is a combination of a power struggle of bobbing. Bowman and Quint Bill, and it involves as assistant coach Barry Smith who's back in the picture and who Quenneville hate, oh this stumpage. Oh, a lot of intrigue. It was one of only five active coaches who have won three championships with the major sports. And now, he's gone. It's ridiculous. His when he presented his fourth and UNH L since he got there in two thousand eight Walt NHL teams he'd service day. Firesale three is a question for you guys. And if the journalism question, I want to really get your taking this. We're gonna talk about the seven Ottawa Senators players who were in an Uber who said non flattering things about their team and coaching staff and who were recorded and that recording was leap. I from the journalism side. How do you consider how that information came out Frank? I sold the team start there. I think it's off on the Uber drivers absolutely a creeper. Once it gets reported. It is what it is. But let's face it a lot of people sit around except for me and complain about their bosses all the time. So. Okay. All right. Yeah. How about you? Bob, right. This is a conversation that could have been held in any high-school college team in America in any given point in time. And for this guy to do an errand like, this is unconscionable. And there should be a special place in hell. But that Uber driver. Okay. I mean, I don't know if we take it exactly their Bob Ryan, and it is younger not Uber. Bill class Looper. The leaky leaking? Despicable. But I feel sorry for these kids. But we had to report it wants to tastes after you've got a report. Okay. Kitson's again. Everybody has his conversations every lock room everywhere. They deserve their privacy. They should know next time to do it. Keep it in there. Which one is it gonna be you know, what I'm saying? Are you going to say that everybody deserves their privacy? Or is it not going to be news for me? This simple news judgment. This isn't news. However, I feel bad for these players. They're actually talking about hockey isn't their off time, which is what their job. Well, let me. Oh, jeez. Came out immediately. And the team said they were moving on. And this was going to be kept in house. Can they move on? How do you move on from something like this? You could say that. But you cannot tell me that the coach that they were talking about is just going to say you have just forget about it. Let's move on. I think that's gonna be a tough one. We'll see how they performed on the ice Clinton Yates, Bob Ryan, we're gonna see how you perform on ice right now. Go in the wrong way living showdown. We knew it was happening all along Bill plan those planes ready. Showdown next coach Wendy. I'm Cathy here. Pay. It's might might team. Just pulled off the biggest upset in the history of for amber, Mike. Yeah. It's getting crazy. Flipped over a car. Wow. Turns out it's my car though. But I don't wanna be upset right now. I want to know state firms gonna take care of this. Right. We got you covered. Mike, Joe yourself. Yes. Win that here to help life, go right state farm talk to an agent today. Flats deny sold throwing haymakers all show you were scoring L A once Frank to win New York wants built away puts up with guys. Showdown one saints working out Dez Bryant and Brandon Marshall Frank I sold the first to you make the case for or against bringing in dead to a team. That's looking like the saints are looking right now. You're looking to win. Now, you have a thirty nine year old quarterback. Why not added another weapon and think about how these reclamation projects have worked out for the patriots? Why can't it work after the saints Franken, that's all you need is a big distraction your locker room? They're rolling right now. They have great chemistry. Drew Brees is playing great yet. The new mecca come get him someone for lesser. Maybe a appearance Dez Bryant Elizer talent. It's about tallow Bill. You stuck the landing? I'm giving you the point. We'll move on showdown to this is the best story in the show proposing at mile sixteen of the New York City marathon sees in the middle of a run the hops the barrier gets down on a need proposes there. She says, yes. Gives a kid to hug, and then has to run ten more miles. Phil fair fell. Holy cow. Why are you doing this, dude? Why you hijacking her moment? This is her moment with if she finishes the race litter filler Heffer glory, then you jump in hijacking her moment, she's not in first place Bill. She's about in, you know, fourteen hundred th place. City. It's a nice moment here. It's not about what place she's in though, Frank, and you know, my Cup when you hear somebody who got engaged in between the men's and women's bathroom at LaGuardia Airport. We don't make any judgment Bill Plaski your first win in augmented reality. Last night hockey, head hockey fights cancer night in the mazing thing happens. Brian Boyle center for the New Jersey Devils scored a hat trick one year after being diagnosed with Kenya. Couple of weeks after being told he was in remission the first hat-trick of his twelve year career talk about fighting cancer on fight cancer night. Great job. Cheers to Brian. 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Hanging with Big Walt  Episode 3  Scouting, Klim Kostin, Quenneville

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Hanging with Big Walt Episode 3 Scouting, Klim Kostin, Quenneville

"Another addition of hanging with a big wall. The one and only Keith CA chuck check in with him whenever we can find him. We check in with big wall presented by Marie Davila's Senior Living Triad Bank urban chesnut smut Greenville University and Fast Eddie's father and Big Walt every Friday. He's traveling Let's see here. He is he's probably not in Sarnia. He's not in San Antonio where in the world is big wall. Big Walters in Minneapolis Saint Paul which has been your stop over the last couple weeks just to change flights are we are. We headed somewhere. You watching the gophers watching the gophers tonight. Verse Ten State and then I'm heading up Saint Cloud to watch that a Colorado College at Saint Cloud last weekend was in duluth watching our price. Prospect stops on defense and he was very very good so it's been a a couple of weeks and people have not. I used to cover Wisconsin in Madison and people don't realize the level of interest in college hockey especially in the twin cities. They they go nuts for the gophers. Yeah they do. I mean As you know they had a big in football last week so luckily I was downtown. At that time I was out droid enjoyed. So there's places going crazy. They love their college sports. Hear they love their college hockey and they love their obviously College football with the University of Minnesota Right. Now there's no when you're at a game or you in the press box with official pass you know a lot of coaches and so sometimes leave your tickets and sometimes you just gotTa go through. You know the Athletic Department and get tickets and you just in the in. The sand is just taking notes. You know you don't seem what's GonNa Happen. Are you old school. You got like a notepad or you on an IPAD all about it. I got my book. Okay got everything right and things down. Don You just never know Doug wanting to call for this player. What do you think what's going on? Would you do this. They always chose. I keep trying to toews do. Do you go in knowing who you WANNA watch or I mean do you kind of check their roster ahead of time or sometimes guys like playing lights at night. Who the hell's that kid? Well College hockey throwing them in the in the US in general it's just so many players and players that are drafted so you gotta know what other teams depth charts charts when other draft picks her out there as well as free agents that you might be able to sign and help your team Whether it's here or down San Antonio so you're managing a lot you're seeing in getting a good look at what all the other thirty one teams have You know thirty teams. Or whatever have in their system so just in case something does happen you can. You can know weeks player. You know what they have the depth chart so a lot of work that goes into it but You know it's good for me and you know watching that as well as you know watching you know your own team and what your needs these. Are you had a choice. I'm sure you do you want to be you outta high school but could have gone straight What was that debate like for you whether you go to college or not? Well back then growing up in Boston you it was just only one thing you played high-school then you went to college but it's so different now there's so many different options colleges agreed option The major James and other great option. There's so many good junior leagues and everybody's different you know. In Minnesota lottery players tend to go to high school then to College College You know other players around the US tend to go to the US Ahl which is a great legal the North American League which is probably just step down from the US h. l.. Where you get the major junior? It's just so many great options and You know you can't go wrong with either. Some kids need more time to develop them. That's why it's good to go to college where you can only play in twice a week. You're in the gym Monday through Thursday. You know you're the social aspect. There's so many good things about college. And what about marine. Yeah what about your kids because it has changed. You mentioned these are guys is who are your sons. At Age. Eighteen are going to be getting huge offers and contracts and gone the NHL level right away. Any part of you that said got it would have been fun for them for those the reasons you just mentioned fund for them to actually have the college experience well Brady had the college experience only for one year At Boston University so Matthew decided to go to London would deal hunter and and Baz McRae's team so I mean that's probably the The New York Yankees a junior hockey to be honest with you know better junior organization in North America than than one the nights In College Brady just felt like you is the best place for him to develop I didn't think he was going to just be one in Don on I thought he might go a couple of years because he still looks like he's added strength but he's improved quite a bit so every kid is different. Every kid wants to do something different so I let my kids choose. They wanted to do and gave my piece when I thought that they made the final decision. We give you a hard time about scouting out on the road and you bend to Sarnia. And you've seen some of these guys is What about Clem? CAUSTON gets the call up not sure what the plan is for him at this level They certainly are a little short doubt for the blues. Arbat give us what you know about. What Clip Kosten? Well you know he was you know during his draft here is injured quite a bit but I saw him the year before that he was a big strong power Guy Ford who can play any position on front and I think he's more of aware but you know he's definitely improved. He went to the American League. Probably a little bit too early. which is a hard league for an eighteen in your old Even a nineteen or twenty year old So he's improving. He's he's done a good job. He's a physical specimen he works at it and You know he'll find a way to get to the greasy areas. But you know he's heading in the right direction and it's good for these pages news in the American League and hopefully he gets a game it can show what he can do but he plays a heavy any style the style that you know chief lakes and how we play so hopefully he. Can you know get a crack at it and do a good job if not just the experience being up here is very good for him. How far where do you think higher is the knee injury that had to be sorted out? But you've seen him over the years to. He's a dynamic player. He stays healthy because he you can score a goal. He's got a lot of speed speed and skill and and that's the way the League is trending. Now you have to be able to escape you have to have skill and you know and he can score goals So you always need those guys have and the blues are called up couple of at least going to look at a couple of veteran guys with Mcginn Troy Brouwer. That's a weird role for them and it where you gotta just go out there and auditioned for job. When you've been playing in the League your whole life I would think that's a little not daunting for guys? You played at a high level. But it's gotta be a weird feeling putting you know you're you're basically under the microscope for a handful of days. Yeah you're basically on a ten day trial and every you know every moment counts every second counts and I don't know much about me game. But he's played a bit Troy Brouwer obviously. I know a lot better because he was in Saint Louis and he put in Calvert my son and you know he's one in Washington Not Wanting Chicago. Excuse me You know what he's one of those guys that are just A veteran guy that can provide leadership on still a fairly young team that we have and can play that gritty style But he's well respected and he knows what it takes so hopefully you know With these injuries and tank going down and and different things at senior You know that's a lot of leadership that's gone too. Hopefully you know if it works out one of them. Great but You know we'll see what happens about. I think I heard our Guy Darren Pang said that the blues are a little quiet right now guys like Maroon and Edmonson would be ones who would stir it up a little bit you think. That's one element they could use a little edge added to the roster games change but yeah I think the team toughness so you don't need anybody to go out and fight. The game is changing We still got guys that can battle Perico is really taking a step. I think physically And he's a specimen out there and you know it's up to the other guys just to you know to to find a way to be Gritty Jenner's pretty gritty guy although you don't want them in the box quite a bit but the game is changing But yeah you have some guys that can stand up for others but As long as you have team tough tough nursing to go out and get one individual to be a fighter. The Boston Kids Sanford. When he's playing or in the lineup and chiefs happy with them he brings a physical? I'm not talking about fighting. But when he plays the more physical game he he seems to do better. We saw that SORTA in the Stanley Cup run last year. And he's off to a bit of a slow start to. How do you get a guy to like buy into that style? Because I think the more Sanford does on that end the more. He's going to play well. He has to healthy not gonNA play at the bottom line is he Answered Oh Asher came in and made a couple of Nice this place is complemented that line very well and you know. He's a kid who can skate. He's biggie stronger skates and you know playing with Perry and And O'Reilly Elliot. I mean your your room is to get them. The puck create space for those guys. Get to know because those two guys will find you. You gotta be gritty around those areas. And and he's capable of in doing it. He showed that he can make plays lingerie show. He can score goals. Aren't we talked a week ago. Blues and flames Old Saddledome matchup a matthew got on the board. Blues was one game but Matthew got himself a goal. He's a great start. What would it mean to the Chuck Family for Matthew to be an all star with the game being played in Saint Louis? Well it's still early but yeah that'd be a heck of a moment To be able to just play in all Sardinian period bought to do it in your hometown where you grew up watching and idolize the blues and planning that rank and skating rink would be a huge honor for him but we haven't even discussed. That goes a long way to go and you know. Oh He's more concerned about getting his team. So if I in the playoffs but that would happen in a momma bear would be pretty happy and I told them join us in one of these shows and he said you know what I'm in town next week I said maybe we'll knock something out of the House. He said just talked to my dad and coordinate and I said no no. We'll talk to mom in coordinate. Any robak good point yeah. She's the head Honcho. I try not to make plans without herbs signing off on it is their rivalry with Brady and matthew you think they they they keep up with each other staff. I mean I'm sure there root for each other but in any competitive rivalry there. Wow sure they battled but they want the Best Regina how they grew up you know what they fighting all the time the best of friends and they will pull on each other and you know. Hopefully both kids can can keep moving forward and their team win a championship. And we talked about that game being being here in St Louis Blues Alumni. I mean this game hasn't been here. It's going to end up in thirty two years later. The All Star game. What do you think that weekends like for all the former you guys who live here? I mean there's just so many prominent blues in town I would think it's I mean it's been a great time for the organization obviously the last year or so but to have the hockey hockey world with all eyes on Saint Louis yet again I would think that it not only for the city but for the alumni base absolutely the alumni A lot of guys still around log is still played and in an all star game and a lot of guys that continue to support the blues. And and it's just you know what it's not just last year. The Stanley competence. Tom stillman Kris Zimmerman. mm-hmm and everybody in the office with Doug Former player is winning a championship. Having the outdoor game how many alumni classic outdoor and now an all star game and and it just a great relationship with the cardinals. It's phenomenal place to live. And I'm so glad that now the fans will get experience that whole fan fest at the All Star game among the skills competition the game itself I just to display the best players in the world with the new building. How great is our building enterprise? It's it's it's it's a state of the art facility and just screamed for the fans. I'm so happy that we're finally getting acknowledged over the last few years through the NHL. And you know we we got a solid team and it's just so much fun to be part of it. It's funny the other night Tyson. Nash walks in its pre-game and he's there with Arizona and he goes. Oh my God. They changed the seats. Beats and I said yes finally I mean even as players back in the day you had to walk out a God. Those are ugly purple. But I'm not even sure what to call it. Yeah privilege ugly so I just I just love it. It's just great place you know and the other day Tuesday night. It's it's full. You're up in the press box. You're watching and just. The bar is seating restaurants the atmosphere. You don't change in a few things and you know and it's great for the city. You WanNa come down one of the fast and you have a great experience and Tom and his ship. Unbelievable job over. That's ward. We're hanging with big. Walt will come back thoughts on a former coach of his former teammate. That's next great to have urban chestnut on board you know about their great fear and the Great Beer Garden hanging out in the Grove. They've expanded there's just been the explosion of Craft Craft Beers but boy it goes way beyond urban chestnut the become part of the Saint Louis scene. I love that urban underdog had it. It's great American lager. Beer snobs out there. I get it. My wife is a perfect example. Not a huge beer fan. I rolled out a little urban underdog. She absolutely loves it. So whatever your palate is they've got a taste for you. 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Eddie's Bon Air Eddie shoulder and hall of Fame Hockey Legend Brett Hull Eddie told some friends. About how fast daddy spawn era. And I just didn't have the worst describe it Brett another same problems for years. The words I use. Are you know a lot of fun. It's huge it's look venture. Yeah that's what I was trying to say. This is more than a bar. I mean the coldest beer the best live entertainment. Everyone knows about the great food but fast. Daddy's is far more than that. I tell you what it's kind of like I don't know anybody that's been to heaven but I bet you that part of described. I sure hope I get that telling me. Studies experiences tough to describe at all I know is it is fun man. I tell you what better thirty five years and it explains itself. I don't know if it's good as heaven but it might be Kevin on earth. Why would write it down in your notes and your Fulham because once you get home when they experiences can be hard to remember? I've been all over the world and there's only one fast daddy's bon air. So if you're twenty one head over to clerk bridge too fast. Eddie's bond air in on all right you just heard the commercial. That's Fast Eddie. Hanging with Brett Hull. That's a party I need to be invited to and joining us on the line. The one and only fast Eddie from Fast Eddie's Bon on air in Alton where they're always serving up a lot of fun great food you gotTa tell us hanging with Brett Hull. You got an idea what that might be like. What was it actually like in person I'd say imagine it and then multiply it because it's real that's that's him that's who it is and it's that much fun your guy who likes to have fun but like bread whole takes it to another level for a living and I keep people out of and not blocker right along with me. I party for a living and I I teach people out of party. That's it man. You know what I've said about fast Eddie's mood changing experience I've never been in there and looked around and seeing anybody in a bad mood and you might see them walking can and frown but boy once they and there's always groups of people they could be mad at their boss or their dog and all of a sudden. They're going too fast. Eddie's nobody's having a bad time probably forget about your troubles. There's no windows for a reason and you leave the world when you walk in and it's it's a definitely a coming in about twelve hours. Even I love them all twelve of them and I know you love baseball. And you're hanging with Mike Shannon. You're down at cardinal gains but I I think I've sensed this and I've seen down there in recent years certainly with the cup run. It's been fun you've kind of gravitated towards hockey and there was a night. They were fighting back. I was at the TV job and we were taxed in and you send man. I like this team. Because they've got some they've got a little bit of balls walls and they'll push back take care of each other to it's fun to watch man. They're really on it just a work team. There's a very it's got a lot of spirit in the team attitude. The to these guys are good man really good and it's fun for the city you now. I mean I've I grew up here. You grew up here. Everybody's got like three cardinal shirts in their closet. It may be more go and now all of a sudden you go to the store. You gotTA Fast Eddie's everybody's wearing blues gear. It's amazing man. I tell you go places where you would have always been Kendall one and now lets you know Alex. It's tend to three. You know anything. Count whatever the whatever the ratio is popping up and coming African into it more and more new people watching it. It's cool you know. It took from wanting to do it. That's what gets to learn. Everybody loves a winner. Here's what people ask me. I always they say what are you can eat when you go to fast. Eddie's I'm like I'm going to probably work my way in the menu if I hang for a couple of hours but they go. What about Eddie? If you're there all the time what are you ordered you have. Do you have a Goto Goto. I ordered the rottweilers and then I ordered the figure and fries gotTa have our fries but you have the hours and the big our original to the place you can't get anywhere else and You can't go wrong. I promise and the doors open at one o'clock Monday through Thursday. Eleven o'clock on Friday Saturday Sunday. They've gotta live music on every single deb. And they're on the weekends where there's live music and back. There's live music on the Patio Party. Never stops fast. Eddie's we'll talk to a man hey man thanks a lot triad bank. The neighborhood friendly bank located in Franek on Clayton road. They're just west of lindbergh real easy access highway sixty four. 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He's busy with the kids. The kids getting older but his daughter place so a lot of fun chatting with him. He's a great great guys. Here's a great team. Had a former coach Joel Quenneville near in that nine hundred wind mark. GimMe your recollections being with Q.. Here in Saint Louis. He's easy ultimate coach. Every coach should Take a page out of his book. He's played played a longtime. He understands the guy he knows what it takes. And he doesn't over analyze things he he left the guy cigarette out he's great. He's great kind of mentioned management. He knows who's going. He may suggestion Salt Lake. Somebody's coaches nowadays. They they know everything you know. Guys like him and chief and different coaches like that. You Know Jim Montgomery Travis screen. They read the situation. They really do. They understand I understand the game back there. and Joel's change the landscape coaching and helped out a lot of these coaches making money. And he's a great guy. He's an unbelievable player coach. It seems that he can command the room without yelling thrown or punching things. He runs great practices. Like I said he's played a lot of hockey as a player. And you know leader And then coming in and having success behind the bench and like I said he just reads game so well and understand. Who's going is? It has the ability to make changes on the fly. Like this guy is going this guy's not going and you know he knows how to adjust and that's what makes him such a great coach. I mean he wanted ton after leaving her three cups in Chicago but I do. I don't think he said it. And we knew at the time that it really stung when you know he got fired here. It was the end of a run. I I'm trying to think back as players what that moment was like for you guys. It's tough I mean you know going through a transition and he was a great coach. I've word personally I walked from him. you know. It's it's tough but coaches don't last long in this business and he's one of the few that has everywhere he goes. He knows how to how to get the best out of players. And I'm so happy to call him. I know he has a soft spot for Saint Louis. This person they loved Mary and Saint. Louis he's probably still got a tablet. Ob Clark's right. Next to big waltz. If I had to all right final thought we mentioned the All Star Game. It'll be fun to see the great hockey talent in our town. Connor mcdavid certainly is going to be here. The oilers star at a six point game the other night. How about big waltz highest point total? I probably should've looked it up. What's the most you've ever put up one night? I think it was five but I can't be certain maybe five I don't know I don't know but I think it is five but that's six point now. This is to get six points crazy. It's phenomenal. I can't wait to see him that Santa's hanging with big wall. Which means Minneapolis? Do you go to these games. Are you by yourself most of the time but you always run into other scouts that you know all true all the business or played with so you know see some guys sit with them but you take your own notes. You don't tell each other nothing and you go out and do your business and try to meet the kid afterwards or just watch the game and write a report. So what would you say the people are like. What are you doing? Well you should be up at nine was streakier over. It'll be Clark with Martin. Eddie's I gotta I gotTa stay busy here. This is great. I get an opportunity to watch hockey. It'd be a part of the blues and and you know who knows where it'll take me down the road but hopefully I can keep moving up and keep hoping our team and see what happens. You think one day down the road road you'd love to be a GM. I'd love to. Yeah I mean five years ago I had no part of that but I've learned a lot started off the bottom working my way up and continue you learned from Al Doug Dave Taylor guys like that and it's all fun. How often do you get recognized? You ever read a game rank and somebody comes up people people. What what are you doing here? Are you know so I love watching hockey. I WanNa you know I just love it. It's been in my blood for a long time and still get to watch my kids during the week but the weekends you know. I'm working for Booz. Mostly try Saturday Sundays. Thursday trying to savvy so we'll see what happens. There's been a lot of fun. Keep me busy hanging with big wall brought to you by Marie. Davila senior living try it bank urban chestnut Greenville University and fast. Eddie's Big Wall Enjoy Minneapolis. And we'll catch maybe next week. We'll corral matthew new I should just come by the house. We could knock out all kinds of which might have a Robert Thomas Setting. There's probably just hockey sticks lane everywhere. Yeah the fun house to be around when all the boys are in town all right. Thanks a lot on a twenty twenty six.

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"Scott A tweet was up thirty one thoughts zero news. ooh I wasn't supposed to send that to you inside. Voice inside voice inside voice asked to send that to. PJ Patrick Kane Chicago Blackhawks One faouzi points quite a weekend for Patrick Kane is number retired in London. Is Junior hockey team played. There one season was Guy Nin. Sergei Kitson then gets his one thousand. The point and the bench is empty. Yes and also. There was the ceremony on Tuesday night in Chicago with any savard at center ice and he's Savard Center Nice right before the Joel Quenneville tributes and right before Joel Quenneville Florida Panthers took care of the Chicago Blackhawks nonetheless Pat Gain Elliot. Well I mean obviously now debate comes down. WHO's the greatest American player ever? I've always said Chellios. I think it's the two of them. I've always said Chellios. I may have a positional bias with defenseman. McDonald's in that conversation I know that the career was shortened because of injuries. But you could put laugh on teen in that talk. I think cain now goes down as the greatest forward. I'm not there yet. But by the time the career is over I will be there. You're putting Madonna ahead of King Right now. Yes but I know the Canes GonNa Canes can allow them to me you know he doesn't have the numbers yet. The Madonna had the three cops to me. That does it Like like to me. Kane is already the greatest forward in. US history he's passed. Madonna was the number one guy. But I don't know I mean I. It was a huge blackhawks fan. Growing up I love Chellios as a player. That's going to be a tough one for me for anyone to eclipse them and people can say well canes of Blackhawks was. Shouldn't you be okay with the bias. I think we're always biased people. We grew up. Watching the old saying is sports is best. Sports is at its best when you're twelve years old and you have a hard time letting that go hundred percent I completely. I agree with that. So I'm going with Cain right now as the greatest American born forward ever But I'm going still. Chellios is the greatest American player ever wins early. Edging out Roy waters. Shrimp Nice Call. When's the last time you went to the combine? I can't because it's during the Stanley Cup file. That's right so the interesting thing about the cost. Roy Waters was Canadian. I thought I was getting him because he was he played for the New York Americans. But I'm not as smart as I think I am nor was I for not catching it. the interesting thing about the combine is talking to the players about whether you know family back on you know biographical information for the draft. That's always interesting. The combine itself sometimes interesting but basically. It's the same kind of stuff. I'm really interested year a year after year to see who the players say. Their main influences were growing up and the last couple of seasons. This is sort of shifted right it once upon a time it was. You know that crew. The John Dave's coup that whole era was there are all about visor. Man They were about Joe. Sackett grew up watching those guys last couple years. Most of the players who they say had Cain the forwards Pat Kane Pad Cain Pat Kane. Talk to Stan Bowman about this. Tom Prospects how big of an influence three cups with you guys. Chicago most points in the decade. They're retiring his Jersey in London but what influence do you think he's truly had on the young players now all growing up SK going that I grew up watching Patrick Kane. It's funny and if you guys in the draft and one of the questions they always say yeah he's the guy I emulated growing up. We had that last year with Kirby dock and in some other guys. We've drafted and they look up to him and now their teammates with them. So I think that's it goes to show you how it kind of comes full circle but amazing thing about Patrick is just how how he keeps getting better. It's unusual for players at the age of thirty to have their best year ever but last year was his best season in this year. He's on pace almost the pass that again so he worked so hard on his game. And I think you know. He's an incredible talent. There's no question but the the amount of effort he puts in every every summer he comes back with a new wrinkle in his game and he keeps getting better. So that's great for the Blackhawks and didn't just like five minutes ago. He was drafted. Yes and it tells tells you how old were getting by the way he was asked about that. He did a scrum after the Morning Skate in Toronto. On Saturday he was kind of asked about all of those players looking up to him because he was specifically asked about Matthews who dies and he kind of laughed about it he thought it was is pretty funny. You know the one thing about him is he's lost none of his. I think this is some the challenge. Sometimes I think it separates the great from the merely good is that he's lost none of his passion in terms of winning winning and getting better as a player he seems never to drop off. You always seems to get better every year. I think also it can be harder when your team isn't going very well the blackhawks. It's been awhile since they've won a playoff round. They've missed playoffs. Were not used to that. And it hasn't decreased his will in any particular way and I think a young players really see that I think there's less respect than ever for sorta like the older player in general and the older person in life and I think they respect the fact that as he's got an age where you're supposed to drop off he hasn't he's still one of the League's most dangerous players he also looks like he has fine and and that to this generation is huge. The other thing about Pat Kane and influencing players again. It's a a small thing and you may look at it and shake your head at me as you normally do when I bring things like this up. You don't one of the best things that he did was just from an influential point of view the play offs the championships in scoring all of that. That is all wonderful. A thousand points. Congratulations Pat Kane. You don't want to be enduring. Legacies visually really is going to be from Pat Kane for this generation. Decoding OPEC's with the however. Many pox was one hundred on on the ice skating through them. Because the minute that video was released I can assure you and I know because my kids did it in every other kid that I know did it and still does it to this day. The minute that video was released everybody tried to do it. It became a thing for kids all over. Probably not just North America but the world as well. You know who I was I guy saw ever do that is. That was Michael Near Lander. Yeah he was pretty skilled and it wasn't to that level because it was during a practice Alice cove left that sounds covert well. Kobe was great at the keep away. Like guys said him and dad soup or two with a bassin. Alfredsson always said that when Kovolev was an Ottawa he loved to play keep away against him because he was. You know the best player I think is a matter of fact Alfredsson actually saved the Kovolev cheated which actually brought a new level of hilarity. To the whole thing. He cheated keep. I wrote it once. I'll see if I can find it but I was at a ranger skate. Eight one I think it was when Tom Renney was coaching. and New liner was there and he lined up probably about twelve to fifteen bucks on one side and he deep deked right through them and it was. It was pretty impressive and Darius cash brightest saw this and he's like oh I G- gets a big sponge phase and he's like I'm going to try this and it wasn't even close. He's sprayed all the parks everywhere and then he looked up at all the media guys watching and he was just laughing his head off so neil ladder was one of the first. I saw could do do that. Really well interesting thing about About the moment with Pat Kane in the one thousand points is the bench him alive down not being in. It's only the ninetieth player in the history of believe to achieve a thousand points. Only the fourth black vase ever do that. He joined the uncheckable. Jack the Golden Jack savoir-faire a very short list. And here's the best thing about all of the remains. This is only five hundred and eighteen points at home almost as many points on the road is he's got at home. This is five eighteen at home. I thought that four eighty two on the road almost a perfect split the fans here so appreciate every time Kane. Got The puck bat here the fans in a rumbling anticipation gratien knowing that hoping that it was going to happen will it finally did and they are part of history of their brand inside picking up that one thousand Point Puck in twenty one thousand plus still on their feet here at the united so in those absolutely unreal obviously getting thousand also points. But how did you guys come on the share with me was it was a great moment. So you know it's been fun here for a long time and go all the way he's playing so so it's GonNa go up confidence. Keep the winds coming but thank you now the Chicago box special dispensation from the NHL given the heads up. Hey can we do this. Are we allowed and the NHL said. Yeah absolutely it's momentous fantasy achievement one thousand points for someone that's cool. Is that now. Standard Will Ryan gets laugh. is forty points away from thousand cope. It's our Backstrom Lake in the next couple of years. These guys are GonNa hit the thousand point mark. You have to empty the the bench now. I like it. I like it too but now is it become going to become A. You always kind of have right like I remember when Sunday did it in Toronto. They emptied the bench. Is it gonNA become what the rookie lap is now. It should I think it is. I think it happens. I bet you people listening to this. We'll say well when this guy in my in my city or my favorite team scored as a thousand the point off and it should be like sports is supposed to be fine like to me. One of the biggest recent memories of just fun watching hockey was when Kovalchuk Oval Chuck scored the overtime winner in Ottawa. And all those guys came off the bench to John Bonham because they knew what the year was one of the ones I remember was. I must have been in my early early twenties when it happened. But I think it was Doug Gilmour Scott. His thousands point is a maple leaf and I think they like they kicked Edmonton that night. If I remember correctly and he score the got the thousand points and it got taken away I care what it was but it got dispute high-stick whatever it was at that time and it got taken. They went out they celebrated the spotlights came on then. They're like no goal. It doesn't count and then like in his next shift. They scored again again with him. Getting a point and the spotlight's went off again. The celebration came out again and it counted Arshad. What's offended at the Blue Line and play continued burger but it's Gilboa Center to center for what for coming in long in that one? I remember really well. It was pretty funny. You know it's going to happen to the Stanley Cup final. One day. I have to tell you that you you know what's going to happen the happen with if it didn't happen when Brett Hull scored against Buffalo. It's probably never going to happen. No Oh you know. There's going to be an offside review on stealing. Yeah I'm trying. No it's going to happen. No I'm trying to because I know that's going to be a disaster. I'm trying to block out the idea that it could occur because I know I'm GonNa be sitting there with the whole time while this review is going on and I'm going to be thinking all this is so bad so bad Europe Black Hawk fan growing up. You already mentioned Chris. Chelios Yup Patrick Kane. Those to the greatest blackhawks ever Holland Makita at put cain above him. Look man they had nineteen sixty one the other one more these guys have one more. There's no question about like you go back and I remember Two Thousand Antenna working hockey night with IOS during the eye with Morrison or that Sailing Cup finals during hockey night radio. So Chicago's having their run and I go back in working. CBC You have access to a lot of videos and going back and you know listen to the various interviews the players of done after they win the Stanley Cup. And listen. You listen to Bobby Hall. Talk about the. He's talking about it in a way that there's the expectation that he's going to win a boatload of these things with this blackhawks once again once again. The police dies our ad McDonald Tex Evans and Garden Bobby Hull and here's bobby and Bobby. I'm going to let Ward Cornell step happen and have a chat with. Yeah congratulations very kind of right right. Well that was a big one. Bob Hill is the first one way if there was a turning point in the series berries. I think the teams winning at home. I think each team winning their home games and then this one of course being able to win on the road. Now what do you think was the turning point. Join Tonight by because you didn't have a good person that's true. We came out very slowly in the wings. Were trapping. I think When reg Fleming toward that goal when we were shorthanded I think that I gave you the big ten day? We came on from there. Good well thanks about it. I know w John Chicago wants to see her and Do you want to say congratulations about. I know all you have a lot of admirers in the province of Quebec. Now's the time to say all of them and I'm just being there interpret and I wanna say you had a wonderful series congratulations to you and you should have a wonderful okay. Thank you very kindly. Thank you very kindly folk all over the world. That was it the listen Burger Cup than done. Sixty one and then over Mike you can make the case right now the Pat Kane. It's the best Chicago Blackhawk ever. Well I I think that's probably fair more I think about it. I know what I would agree on the spot question. But but you know what I'll and I'll tell you who else is higher on that list and you'd probably get credit for Bard. Is Duncan Keith. John Tapes sparring partner. I really liked Duncan Keith. Same name so when he was younger when he showed up at Michigan State is a freshman. This is fifteen sixteen is about eighteen years years ago. Actually he scores seventy one on the video too which is an absurd Lee high number. John Michael Lyles was was was a junior when when he showed up he said it was just an absurd test. Sean hoare cough was the guy who can get deep into level six. which was the sixties and Keith scored? A seventy one and so they were like wow. That's an unheard of number. Kelly Rudy is always bragged about his video to now Kelly brags about how how much red wine and red meat he can eat but back. Danny always bragged about his veto to wash. All Kelly really good athlete some day. I'm GonNa tell you have you. You've heard the story about the basketball game of the two thousand seven Stanley Cup final. No Okay we're GONNA talk about that one. So Kelly scored. He says top scores like a sixty seven so when we hear Keith scored a seventy one. He was like that's unbelievable. So Keith I thought he was thirty five and someone asked him for me about it and he says by the way. Tell them I'm not thirty five. I'm thirty six. He wanted no concession for age still with the oxygen for days. Incredible the endurance incredible video to you know still beats many of the younger players in the tests still feels like he can play forever. I think Keith eighth on that list is of great. Blackhawks is probably lower than he should be. Don't disagree On that will begin the podcasting. Congratulations to gain one thousand thousand points. that is no small. Eat pretty thoughts the podcast brought to you by. GMC Sierra Yeah Okay Elliott so we opened up talking about Patrick Kane of the Chicago. Blackhawks talks and Chicago is one of those teams alongside the Montreal Canadians in York Rangers. The Minnesota wild teams that will probably take the all-star break have a look under the hood and figure out what they're all about in advance of trade deadline. What's up with the Hawks right now? They are in the race. I was a tough one Florida the last game before the break. You WanNa have that one and you knew it was going to be an emotional night. But they're very much in the race. Listen Stan Bowman I saw some interviews did recently where he kind of said. We're going to stay the course and see what we are and you have to assume they're GONNA go for it if they're still in it. I don't know if they'll make wild trades or anything. But they'll as long as they're in the race I think they're going to stay in it and they're not going to consider selling anything off or moving anything out like I know. There's been some interest in Brandon Brandon. Saad I heard that one of the things though is that the blackhawks might have to retain a bit to maximize the value. And I think they consider it if it came to that. But how do they have room to do that. And they have room weaponized cap space next year. Han seabrook come back on the books but right now they're in L. Ti. But they're not doing anything while they're in the race. The one is interesting to me. Is I was watching it last night like Keith. He made it very clear last year when this question came up to him that he wasn't bailing and he wasn't going anywhere but I do wonder like if Joel Quenneville sits there and says they're away can doesn't Keith over yet. This guy to come to these Florida you know. He'll get a a few percentage points on the state income tax if he goes from Illinois to Florida are the Minnesota wild because he's he's already been traded twice. Ever Move Jason Sucker. I do think Pittsburgh's laying the groundwork if they wanna do that again. But Bill Garin from what I've I've heard. He told people that while they're in the race and they've got a huge game on Wednesday night. They're playing games. They're playing actually the last game again end though if they're still in it. I think they're going to go for the play. Offs like a lot of these. Teams aren't willing to concede until they're outright. You've got tickets to sell. You've got to sell it to your room room that years. You still believe you're in like your players want a chance to go as long as they can. But I've got a couple of people said to me that that that Minnesota Pittsburgh Berg Zucker deal. It's still in the air. Like they both know Rutherford and Garin that it's they're potentially if they want to do it but the other one too I heard you know does was named Brunell there. I'm not convinced guarantee doing that. Unless it's a huge returns gonNA say wouldn't a deal like that I know he's not having this season that he was hoping to have and in last year before the injury he was you know trending to have the best season of his career. I think guarantee well aware though was and this is the player they protected in the expansion draft like. That's the one guy said okay. Take prospects take Eric Hall but don't touch Matt dumb bothers a lot invested invested still in that blue liner. There's a lot there i. I don't think they're looking to do that. Unless it's it's huge Montreal. Canadian's there's an an interesting team. Yeah they're on a little bit of an uptick right now. You look at the standings and you say to yourself there's a lot of teams they have to climb over and they're still will there so a lot of ground they need to make up to get back into the playoff picture. It's really hard to see. The math is not their friend. I was told there'd be no math. The math is not their friend. And I'll tell you this I think one of the biggest decisions is going to be Petri And that's not going to be a rental. That's a player with an contracts. That's a nice one. And so you know in the notes I wrote that Peter deboer Brennan Dylan Fan and Brennan. Dylan's going to be traded so I was wondering if there was room for that move but someone else Said said to me. You know. There's a Montreal guy guys to work for Montreal. Von carpeting now works for Vegas and he said to me the he could see Vegas being interested in Petri if he was available Vegas Buca for another puck mover for all while a longtime like they were hoping when Schmidt came back back that that would solve a lot of their problems at hasn't done it you know Dylan and PG or very different players. And Dylan's a lefty and don't forget that Berge Asia vent and macroom in slash mcphee done deals already. They did patch already together as you always look for teams that are comfortable doing each other. Someone said to me do not be surprised prized if Petri is available of if Vegas is one of the teams looking there. The other one to about Montreal is domains contract talks. That's a big one for them. We talked about this last week on Scotiabank Wednesday night hockey. What's happening with? I think it's been quiet. You know he got bench that in the doghouse out of the doghouse. The one the one yard guard and we we did this on Saturday night. So domi had a two week stretch in a lot of penalties this year but he had to stretch in November bamber where he took about three or four retaliatory penalties and they cost Montreal couple of those games and I heard they went to him and they said you know Max. You can't do do that. And to his credit he took it out but then that one against Chicago was the second one and a couple of weeks and so on a power play. Yeah and Julian. Dan sent the message so again. He played regularly after that trump likes tolmie. I think they recognize great for the stage. I think he loves it there. But you know contract talks aren't easy so you know I've had some people say to me. You know. Just watch what goes on there. I don't think it's a crisis point or a red alert or anything anything like that at this time. But you know I think Montreal's gotTa look at the future and and Dole me obviously gotta look at his future two. We know what the future of the New York Rangers Rangers is going to look like. We're seeing a lot of those players that pretty much every single position and is pretty exciting. tough injury or Tammy Panin Chris. Kreider tastes place at the All Star game but the Rangers are one of those teams. You include in that collage of the Hawks in the wild in the haves as taking stock of what's is there and what we do next with the Rangers. It's that you know they were. They were getting into the race and then they lost Columbus and they lost the islanders going in but they have the back to back with Detroit coming out of it and I think they always kind of looked at that and said we'll see where we are. After that I feel bad for poor Chris. Kreider gets to go to the All Star game and hasn't get barraged with. Are you going to be traded you moving traded we lost Ranger Jersey. Yeah I like Kreider a lot and there's no question a lot of other people do to extend them where where does assuming he's going to be I. I think it's possible. You know the thing. Is You look at them. and they look at their caps situation. You've got Sebanji after next year. Now all all of a sudden you know he's he's a hugely improved player and the other thing that's interesting is you can't really predict what's going to happen in his talks. He's represented by his brother so it's a bit of a different wildcard. That's difference unique and all of a sudden like twenty Anthony Angelo. Who He's got a big time Arb- case it's a big time case so all of a sudden if you're the Rangers you've gone from tearing it down you add Panara who's been absolutely worth the money and you've got to look at Zibanejad who's going to be absolutely worth the money what you're GonNa do the Angelo and now Kreider? You've got a lot of things here you have to deal with so well I think the question. Is You know how they prioritize him. I think they will try to sign him. But where do they prioritize him. And all of that knowing lundquist comes off the cap after next year. Do you have any idea how the goaltending is going to shake out. And everybody always says the right things about trying to make it work with three goaltenders and then when it doesn't work at one says well. We were skeptical. We knew this was a doomed plan from day one but we made the best of it. How does this carousel sort itself out? Because from what I understand if they're gonNA move your it's going to be a huge return. Well they want to return. I mean there. We've talked about it. They're listening on them. I have some teams who said to me that they still think the rangers prefer to keep them like they have a bit of a dance. Here they gotta do for another year and a half crabs soft went home home. Now he's back. Anderson went home now. He's skating again. Th they don't WanNa problem was just Oregon. I think not them unless they get blown off their feet because these might be their goalies in two years the other thing too is the rangers don't have an expansion problem. They don't have to worry about that. They're confident of their situation but a team that acquires them might so nobody wants to trade themselves into an expansion problem. That's a slight hurdle for them not a huge one But a slight one on headlines on the weekend you guys talked once again about these Zack. Kassian deal is there a chance that this will be removed from the podcast cast. Because by the time it is released the deal will be done. Are we that close. Not necessarily like someone said to me. It's not done until it's done. There's a will on both sides Deitz but it's not done until it's done. I think the others are going to look at some of their other players to lake Josh Archibald I went down a youtube rabbit hole Josh Archibald Dad. Jim played with Dave Tippett. North Dakota off nine hundred eighty two brawl his dad right in the middle of it like the commentary series says the Jim Archibald injured and then he comes charging back to the hallway to bounce. Let's get after some guy stands there as we are starting to Jerry's we did carry then they were trying to break it up. There careful dodgeball hall going. I think if we could get a shot of the Cape I think the voice of what's going on here but those things going on it here you bet you that is really something old school hockey old school hockey for Toe Blake I was interested because I'm interested in everything involving this Andre especially off caller interested in your note and the blog I one of the NHL sending out memos to officials reminding them that the stick needs to stay below the crossbar. When when you score when you score below the shoulders when you have the puck correct is there anything or has there been anything sent out about hitting the goalie? That's what I would be really curious about because to me is that we've talked about this before on the podcast you come around the net scoop the puck up you try to throw it in either you do or you don't and you stick clips the goal tender's face. How's that not a penalty while it's a follow through right? That's the way I looked looked at. You know what I meant to look into this. Thanks for reminding me that I've forgotten I'm lazy so I will look into this but I just assume it's a follow through but I will check to to make sure I'm right speaking of sticks the neubauer nexus the AV raising eyebrows while I was in Hamilton last Thursday for are the CHR. NHL Top prospects game and there was one out in the hallway. That was Lexi lofgren years and by the way I wanNA say thank you to a tweeter named Jordan in Henry K at your Henry because after I published the blog with the one incident. Jake debrusk he sent me a direct message with a photo of laugher for years. The one you saw right so outside of optically it looks difference. This was already caused a pretty big stir certainly amongst gear geeks like me. I think you're one too. I'm not like you but I'm learning curious. I'm always curious about the tools the crap I spoke to someone at Bauer last week at the game and we were talking about the advantages of it and I said you know I don't use. I haven't used the word hockey stick in a long time but every now and then when I pick up a with hockey stick the one thing I love about it is how soft passes feel like that. Phanom like that feeling thing is gone You can't shoot as hard with the would hockey's thick. It weighs a million pounds. The reasons why players using technology they use now is pretty obvious but the one thing that composite sticks still can't replicate is the feeling of getting a hard pass on a wooden stick because it cradles it feels so good The prisoner was talking to said. It's not exactly like a hockey stick in feel but that is one of the advantages of vis stick through their testing so far and what the players have come back with as far as feedback goes. WELL WE'RE GONNA learn at the All Star game this weekend because I have a feeling it's GonNa be part of the All star weekend that's thick yes. WHO's using it while that's rumor is and that's what people are? Several people tweeted at me and told me is that the true unveiling was supposed to be this weekend. So we'll find out now. Brayden Schenn was the first one to use it in a game and I believe Jacob Risk as the first one to score now again. I'd like to thank a tweeter who sent that to me That was Trent Leaf Trent L. Fourteen. He was the one who sent it to me and I checked with Louis. So Jake Debrosse get a two-goal game against Winnipeg and and he switched to that stick and like who changes stick after scoring two goals but he went to a camp and you mentioned such Niqab. I guess it was a Bauer. Bauer camp in the summer. SPATCHCOCK was there no Hannifin. was there the Hughes brothers. Were there last year. was there appear Wa pierre-luc do Blah debrosse tried it and liked liked it. So it came available switched after scoring two goals scored his first game against the islanders and scored the time against Vegas Two nights ago. Toil ones once I voice in eight games for Tig across around at all my jack play catch and Lewis said that Jake really likes it. It really he really likes said David Pasternak at that camp set a name. No David Pasternak was not at that one. He's he's a Barra Gabbara. I can't imagine concern the season. He's having these are all change anything about anything. A lot of these guys goes. RCA guys too. So let's see what was the names. I got Dubois Hannifin laugher near Stretch Gov in the Hughes Brothers Okay now could have been more but have okay. So we'll see what happens with with that. Stick all your gear. Geeks pay attention to the All Star game this weekend in Saint Louis Peter