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'Think Slow, Act Fast': Joe Walker on Editing for Steve McQueen and Denis Villeneuve

The No Film School Podcast

23:14 min | 3 years ago

'Think Slow, Act Fast': Joe Walker on Editing for Steve McQueen and Denis Villeneuve

"Hey, everybody. This is John Fusco and you're listening to the no film school podcast. Steve McQueen has made some great movies, so Tony villa new. So what do hunger Sicario? Shame, blade runner, two thousand forty, nine, twelve years. A slave and a rival have in common. They were all edited by Joe Walker McQueen, and Walker's latest collaboration. Widows made its world premiere to a sold out crowd at Toronto international film festival. Last week, it's the Academy Award winners. Most accessible feature, a blockbuster high spill with a stellar cast, including Davis, Liam Niessen, Colin Farrell, Daniel, Columbia, and Elizabeth, the Becky, it's almost a certainty that McQueen and Walker, we'll have another surefire hit on their hands upon its release this fall. In our interview today, Joe Walker breaks down the keys to his successes. Common mistakes sees among young enters and his workflow with two of the best directors in the industry. If you're in post production yourself, this could be a very useful conversation. Hey, guys. This is John fuseco. I'm here in Toronto with a very exciting guest today, and that is Joe Walker. One of our dare say, greatest living editors. Oh my God. Thank you. Take it, take it. I mean, your your track record is truly incredible. Probably mention rattle off the films that you've edited in the past decade. Some of my favorite movies are on that list. You work a lot with Steve McQueen who fulfills for him his features. One of those films kinda changed my life as a freshman in college going to see hunger at I f c, just like rocked my world. I didn't know that movies could really like affect someone as much as hunger affected me. It was very terrifying experience, but I guess my first question for you is, how did you get started as an editor? What was what was it like getting that career off the ground? I kind of spent the longest time trying to work out whether to stay music and in bands. And then I started classical composition. That was my degree in the north of England. But I'd always been playing around with him if you want to check it back a long way. My parents had a eight millimeter camera given to them when for wedding present in the in the late fifties, and I got to kind of dissect that and play. I used to buy for my paper round used to buy eight millimeter movies like the keystone cops, and I've had a setting where you could play things really slowly, and then I'd play Wagner really slowly on a record, get depressed. It was like that marriage of sort of town AMIS Cannes film was always there for me. So then how did you meet Steve? What was what was that I encounter like, well, I, you know, Steve was very well known at the time. He wanted to turn a prize for art and he'd made these insulation. So I'd seen one or two of his pieces, but to be on this when I got the call for an interview. I didn't. You know, I'd read the scripts and I did think, well, if they just make this script, it's going to be hunger is going to be amazing, but I couldn't really take he was going to do with it. He didn't come from the sort of, you know. Drama background or anything, and. It was so rested on an a meeting. And in fact, you know, we taught very well and found that we later in the process I found out that we both been raised in exactly the same part of London, which is a suburb dealing. I lived about half a mile north feeling studios probably the most film, you know, famous thing about the place and he he lived about half mile south. So we had a lot in common. You know, we went to the same public library in poverty to some of the same pubs, and we also had an enthusiasm for. You know politics, two degree. And and and for me, hunger was a chance to kind of look at something. I was very familiar with growing up, but I'd seen a very slow point of view. My parents were Catholic and they were. You know, staunch conservative voters, I guess. And to them, the hunger strikers were pouring in. So if felt a really right time for me to kind of very attracted to the idea of seeing more three hundred sixty degree version of this story which Hunga really provides. And I think it became a very important part of that peace process. You know is a discussion document is what is a great film. So then how did you know, I guess, right. I mean, after hunger, that new and Steve would have this relationship, what sort of characteristics in Steve as director really made you stop and think I want to be involved with this guy's work for the rest of my career. Don't a lot of, you know, done a lot of work BBC. Being a a all-stock commend Edita and a comedy editor and lot of comedy. And then I was working my way up sort of police procedural films and drama series and things. And then I said, went freelance and I kind of felt I needed to move away from the mothership and seeking avoi-, so strong void to'real voice to. And I think with hunger, I saw the opportunity for somebody who's really bold. I mean, really bolt and prepared to jettison things, you know, not to be too faithful to script sometimes, but see it as a launch pad into a film, and certainly with hunger, there was a really bold attempt to be nonverbal. For example, the first third of the Phillies very little spoken a joke, I think, in somebody's admitted into the hospital, but there's a creates kind of escalation of tension and violence, and then. When you're ready for people to really discuss what's going on your deliver that in twenty one minute unbroken dialogues, he can, which is incredible tennis match of Arlo seen. So the kind of bold voice of that really appeal to me looking for that for a long time. It's this choices. Those is it like a decisiveness to maybe in the edit room where you know you have so much stuff on the floor and Steve came at you and was like, no, this is this is gone. This has gone or was that something that you kind of took more control of? It wasn't really. I would say the thing appealed to me as well. They wasn't that kind of just autistic indulgence of it. We've very, we screened, you know, one of the great benefits is he had a friend who's working the ICA and they let us use their screening room for it was very, very low budget film. It was one million euros and they spend most of that, I think on the set, right? So we. Have no luxuries. It was just me and Stephen, a small in a damp, cutting them and no assistant. And you know, I just did my own dailies at some points and. But we somebody let us have the screening room. So we shared a screening room basically with cleaners on a Friday morning, and we screened the film a lot. So we were always very keen on seeing how the thing works with an audience of friends and family originally. And that's been a key part of the process with Stephen and also Denny v. know I've worked with free fills dania. You know, it's a kind of grindstone that you you shop on your blades on so you you keep doing this. You keep screenings are a big part of your editing process. I mean, this kind of widows. For example, last night there was a joke. That means Steve thought was really hilarious. But we had three screenings where nobody really laughed. It was like a giggle. Oh, too, but we always thought it was wildly funny. I think one point I said to Steve Louis, can we just saw this Alice? Why don't we just do something. Let's do this really crass cut. Yeah, let's just be really tasteless and see if that gets laugh. And then last night it got the biggest laugh. So you know, that kind of thing, you discover chemically, I'm not so interested in what people right on the sheets. I think that's for marketing purposes, but actually the feel of film in a room. You know when you've got people and you know when you've got things your first thing for that screening, we can say, okay, I've got them gripped by this story and the leaning forward. So for people who may not be able to afford the chance to screen in front of a wider audience, is there still some value in maybe just like sitting in a room with two or three other people when watching it with them, or is that is that feeling still there? When I call to sequins during shoot, then I will cut something, oh, always always marry my assistant editors, come and sit with me and watch it, and I'm interested in what she's got to say, but I'm actually also, you know, probably hopefully not too deserves to her thoughts about it is just the process of seeing it with somebody else is a different. It's a different thing. You can feel chemically, you know when something is working, right? I mean, we, you know, I'm celebrating, I love cinema and I love the process of going to see a film with a lot of people. I remember back in whenever it was seeing total recall with a thousand people in LeicesteR square, and we're all thinking the same thought at precisely the same frame. Game, and I, I love that. That's what I'm thirsting for. Yeah. So what kind of notes do you like to receive as an editor? What are like productive notes from people who have seen the movie. Well, do you mean from Reuters off. Well, I mean, when you work with writer, the best scenario is really when they treat you like an actor. You know, not to spell out the steps, but kind of give e- throw you a challenge and see how you attend to it because we meant to have mastery of this material. I know what all the takes seen all the material and sometimes direct to saying, I wish this wasn't. This is too high blood pressure, the scene I need this just to be a little calm or Nita gentler version of that line. And then you know, you set about try and find it and solve a problem. All I need to get into the scene later. I didn't like the kind of feeling that every scene is starting with somebody coming through door. What can we do? And it's it's, you know, the smallest microcosmic part of editing is the cart and where you cut from one shot to another, but really what's happening. What I'm trying to do is think like. Think slow act forest some fingers busy doing the kind of finding the Cup, but actually also thinking about how you're structuring a sequence and at large, how you try to pay the whole film. Right? So it's really nice to have that engagement for it to be handed to give you ownership of that. So then how do you maybe like avoid a change in one sequence affecting the entire structure of the film? Because that's a hard balance. I feel like to maintain the editing room. Are there any tricks that you've picked up throughout your career that have been like red flags when you're making a cut that you think, okay, we'll now this is really affected the entire like Cohn of the film in a negative way. It's interesting because you have to kind of. Be prepared to have a heart stone and really drop maybe even the best sequencing film to make it work coming on know, give you a solid example on Sicario. We had the opening scene originally as written and shot was phenomenal. Seem with Benicio del Toro, torturing somebody to death and then giving him bringing back from death by giving him resuscitate resuscitation only to start interrogating him. Again, it's like such a brilliant seat and it was a heartache, but it was like the biggest effect of dropping. It was empowered. Emily's character always thought the on the great secrets of the successive Sakaria was that you had this viewpoint an outside viewpoint of somebody, moral, looking at an immoral world and discovering it piece by piece. So is very important for me that she encountered Benicio we encounter Benicio through her rather than the. Filmmakers. The hand of God chairing you've been into Alterra and saying, okay, he'll be back. Yeah, right changes the tone of the film to start with her in the back of a van about bashing into a hell yet. And it's I mean that opening sequences incredible like to watch and just, you know, throw the audience in right away. It's very, you know, with wrote to deacons at Benicio. It's really it's a tough call to sort of jettison something that's really a great scene, but you have to kind of stand back in just say, look, the effect of it going to be, how's it can impact your central character to remove it? Yeah. I mean, I had a question written down, which was had you know what to cut. Just such a broad question boy, if you could, if you have an answer to that, what would it be. Suppose the bottom. The base levity cut boring bits. I do. It's like, you know, it's it's made easy for me. I've been very blessed because the two main writers, I recently shoot very economically, you know, Steve and any you know is not sometimes three or four takes its single camera. So you know, Roger Deakins, shoot, single camera on on. Only a few times on Sakari where there would be two cameras, blade runner to only occasionally the stunt material of course, is often covered by many cameras, but for practical reasons. But it doesn't able you to kind of it's already kind of chunked down few. It's had the opposite extreme. I film for YouTube life in a day, which is four and a half thousand hours. So you know, that's a big ratio. But you know you having to find ways of chunky down and and it helps that I've only got an hour and a half material to look at every day, which means can look at everything and I can. I can respond like I almost like a first audience member and follow my hunch as to what they wanna see in how to order to show it. Are there any mistakes that you see fledgling editors make time and time again that you can. Warn our fledgling editor audience to look out for. I don't know. I think it's the temps tation. The obvious one is the people over cop and they. The sort of bashing around between cuts new, never, really. I always like giving people an opportunity to have the feel of pace, but to give people an opportunity to kind of pair into the soul of the main characters and to to, you know, I'm kind of always obsessively looking at the eyes and the dawn of is between at another actor so, and I want to kind of give that get that intensity. And that's the lot of tricks and harbor to make that happen. But sometimes you know, I had a really good example was I went to the university of your can I had a little master class, and I took a sequence from Shane second feature film I did with Steve and Steve gave me two shots of of. Somebody singing, you know, it's like New York, New York sung as slow ballad. Listen to by Michael fast, Benda's character, and Carrie mulligan singing this amazing song, and but I had two shots and it's four and a half minutes or whatever it is in the middle of film danger zone. There's no plot going on. There's nothing vaunting. And how do you cut these two shots? So I gave him the material and we looked at twenty versions of the thing. And of course about half of them, people like a pool of sweat, trying to cut between one line of the song end reaction to it. So Michael was. Over reacting to every other line. And then I'm in the version. I did have one very simple Cup to him and at a very specific point in the in the song where she saying is up to you New York, and she seems to be looking in his direction. I kind of made it look as it was a very direct approach to him, and his reaction was very surprising. And it's tells you off lot about the two characters that that that choice of where to cart. But actually somebody really outdid me somebody who did a version where they didn't call to Michael at all. I was really impressed. I just got we shot that. Is there any sort of platform that you recommend editors learn on first hand like to what do you use. I came up from film so I did sixty mill thirty five. Then I learnt light works, which was a brilliant platform. And then moved to avid, mostly because you know the majority of of drama job so caught on avid is just a stand gold standard, and it's very robust is particularly, you've got five or six cutting rooms all looking at the same material, and you know it's an industry standard. I, I've not worked on the other platforms and I haven't had too, but it, you know, if it's wet string, it doesn't really matter does it was shot on wet string and if it's a good story. That it's not really the the method is is the story from me. So in the same vein, as the question about, you know, fledgling editors making a mistake, are there a lot of mistakes or is there any sort of mistake that you see time in time? Again, with fledgling directors, that one Pershing them in depose production process? It's hard because you've worked with such incredible directors. I really lucky. Yeah, I didn't know. I think one of the problems. Onto that Tanjile which is on the problems are have television. I did a lot of television were again, I wanted to move out of it. And one of the big reasons was people don't test the films that nobody who hasn't sat and watched the dailies or written the script or produced. It is looking at your cart and there's no naive audience. If you like to watch it and few to measure it success. And I can remember the frustration of that because you know, sometimes in the process you're pushed to be things along, and then we're going to get that then not gonna get a rival, you know, we had a phenomenal. Friends and family screenings from five or six people, and that was really instructive, especially with the film that has a big twist, knowing when did somebody get that we wanted it to be fully God so that you feel something at the end of the film and without really knowing where you are in that story, that ending isn't as emotional as it should be. So you know, we learned a lot from hearing people. We'd just invited to them to come along and bring their baseball bats. Tell us what they thought. You know, the young directors and I just see the great work all the time. I can't see negative. So I just see a lot of kind of new voices and interesting ways of doing things that aren't, you know. I learned from it. Seems that one thing that you did mention earlier in in this interview was that you respected mcqueen's ability to sort of let go of some of the things that he may have shot and almost use the edit as a nother script writing another draft of a script in a way where he like can actually like look at his movie now and make these decisions will also, you know, he's I, it's a place where you kind of create new material because you know. Luckily on on hunger, we had the advantage that we had six weeks where Michael fast bend had to lose weight. So we're able to cut the first two thirds of the film. And it meant that we could drop a few things from the last third of the film that we get to be short and also few pickup. So it was kind of very useful thing. I think there is. Droit are often feel ashamed or bashful about the re-shoots happened, but I really celebrate them as a possibility sometimes to set something up in the story that pays off later or little story beats. The might just just going to get the scene. Let's what, what, if it was something else, let's try the think outside the box. So my last question for you is if you had any advice to aspiring editors, what would it be? Watching lots of movies. There's nothing more instructive than even Babylon's of very, very useful. I mean, I, you know, I'm always awesome. I system when they don't like film, I said, look, if you didn't have any choice on casting or you know choice of music or something, what would you do with this film? How would you? How would you have made it better? So even a bad one, you can come out and say, well, actually, it would have been really helpful to started this story later, or you know. Sort of cut down on this character on that, or you know, got more of a sense of pace. I think it's kind of intellectual exercise. What would I do? Five sting this movie absolutely watching it with a critical eye from an editor standpoint while you're actually in the really good film. Actually, I don't think about the editing in truth. It's like Publio. Neither wants that bit creaky in some other way. I'm starting to wear all the plumbing, be aware of all the plumbing. And that's maybe how you know it's a good film because you're thinking about it just compelled. See, I do. See, I do great jail. I've had that experience many times watching your films and thanks for joining us today. Real pleasure. Thank you. Thanks for listening. If you could, you heard go ahead and subscribes the new film school podcasts on whatever podcast bought from you use. 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Faces to Watch: Meet Charli Marie and Joe Walker! (Day 1 of 2)

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59:00 min | 11 months ago

Faces to Watch: Meet Charli Marie and Joe Walker! (Day 1 of 2)

"Coming to you from the hip chalet at the top of beautiful downtown Mount podcast here. It's a special episode of too many podcasts I'm Jim the podcast here, Europe and today it's a special episode where I get to speak with people from the entertainment industry, so get yourself an I'll see pop some popcorn angry, cold drink ready and sit back. Don't crunch too out or else. You'll miss the interview from Sherpa screening. If the rebels and welcome to another episode of the Sherpur Screening Room with me Jim, the podcast Sherpa how you doing very presentation of too many podcasts, and it's a special week this week. It's called faces to watch, and we've got a double interview today and a double interview tomorrow and on Friday. We'll have a special episode of too many podcasts with a guy who's been a really. You help for this season and he's in as well. His name is Steven Joyner. He's the publicist that I've been working with. You wanted to have the opportunity to come on the show and we kinda shot the breeze, but today it's a double interview with two actors and the first one is with a really nice lady named Charles Marie and we had a lot of fun talking. She was on a lunch break. I guess outside of Mexican restaurant, but you'll hear all that story. Also a little production note on that, you'll notice that voice kind of changes towards the end of the. The interview that's because her laptop died during the first interview and we finished it up on her phone, and she was a great sport about it, and you could tell him it's fun. We were having talking because there's a lot of giggling going on throughout the course of the interview after that will take a short commercial break, and we'll be back with a guy named Joe Walker, who was also active in a bunch of movies and Joe, took an interesting. Interesting approach to this interview, he really used it as a platform to let people know about the struggles that actors face, and that it's not all easy. It's not all glamor and Glitz and I. Really just kind of let them talk. I didn't ask too many questions. You'll notice because I really appreciated what he had to say and I really liked his honesty, and he's a super nice guy, too. I was really glad to be with him as well so. So before we get to hear either one of our guests here to remind you that today's podcast is being brought to you by audible, and you can get a free audiobook. Download any thirty day free trial at www dot, notable trial dot com slash Sherpa, and there are over one hundred eighty thousand titles choose from for your iphone. android kindle or MP, three player, lots and lots of titles, so let's move on to my conversation with Marie hey rebels. At long last. My guest we had a couple of little hiccups, but I'm glad that we finally got the chance to talk. And even during the daytime, it's I'm doing time into, and she was gracious enough to alter her schedule and she's week. We can say sitting outside and Mexican restaurant right now. Get. She's been a writer and actress, a script, supervisor and producer for her first movie as well. Say hello to Micheli Marie hr how you doing. Good! How are you? Very good so i. hope at least that the Burritos are delicious. I love Mexican food. It's good stuff, but she's on almost anything and make it good. Okay. We don't have to do a commercial for them or anything like that, so we'll talk a little bit about you, and maybe if somebody comes out, we'll ask them some. What else is on the menu if they have any special? You're not originally from California. You, you're originally from the Midwest. Is that right? I'm going. California I was born here and then actually I moved I. Lived in Washington state I lived in Texas I lived in Florida and I lived in New York, but I came back because I love California. Day little chilly today as we're talking so. I, don't have this adorable shirt and I was like you know what to call sweater. So. How did you first get involved with wanting to be an actress? Which which came first? Well I've learned to be an actress. My entire life, but it was a huge secret I. Like I refuse to tell my parents our anybody in the world, because I was so nervous that people would look at me and say Oh, that's not a real career or something like that be like Oh. You know you should be doctor lawyer something that. Pays, every single time consistently, and that's what my parents would have wanted, so I was like. I can't tell anybody but last year I had my first paying GIG and I came to my parents and I was like. Hey, so I'm an actress and I've been kind of not telling you guys and kind of doing it on my own because I was nervous what you would think. and. My Dad was like you know I'm proud of you and I was like. It's kind of awesome. Parental approval and Smooth sailing from there, right? And my family's very supportive I. Just you know for some reason I don't know why I thought they wouldn't be. It was just instilling kids to basically that I thought that, but they actually ended up being really really supportive and before when I was trying to win their approval. I would try to you know I was thinking about nursing and teaching and. Almost, everybody in my family is a teacher has been a teacher at some point. They're great I'm good with kids naturally. And I was like yeah. I guess I could do to kind of 'cause. I'm good at it. Kids are cool I. Guess you know so. Why not? But I didn't really love it. And then I went into nursing because I was like well. That's really cool. That's prestigious. You save lives like so I worked at a hospital for about well sue years at one and like four years at another you know. I kept trying I went to nursing school. And, I liked it. You know they patients that I was very compassionate and sweet, and I was very hopeful. And you know I did help a couple of people you know I I was on the rapid. Rapid Response Team and some people would be close to dying, and I would help bring them back and it was amazing. But. It wasn't acting and I just I needed that acting I need it as a part of my life. You know what I mean sure man, unfortunately, teachers and nurses don't get nominated for Academy Awards either so. That out right, not really really good. Of course. That would be a great goal, but it's also kind of. I'm very emotional, and it's something that I just WanNa put. Like when I was trying to help my friend in high school I was trying to help her figure out what she wanted to do with her life I said well. You know what I'm trying to do in order to determine it for me is what is something that you are inherently naturally? Naturally are that if you put yourself into it, it's something that can also benefit the rest of the world and me. I'm naturally extremely most not. Very good at empathizing with people and. So it kind of is just like a synchronized, you know it aligns perfectly with acting and then at the same time. I know that that could benefit the world because. You know you had a rough day at work and you go home and you sit down and put on the TV and laugh at something you know, or or you know you watch somebody. That's a villain and you actually Kinda love them Secretly, but there are villains. So you know that like you probably shouldn't, but you do secretly love them, and they're Kinda like voting for the underdog, and like inspires you, and like so. I know that I could help people with it to. You did a little writing to as well I'm sure. Those kind of it was fun I love. It was kind of an accident. It was actually Who's actually really funny? I was right I'm always in school I'm obsessed with learning and I was writing something for front of mine. I was helping. Edit his essay and. He was like okay. Well, thank you. You really good at this and I was like you're welcome. And then a few weeks later I was my own essay and he was talking to somebody over skype. China help the other guy like at it. His screenplay and he looks over and he goes. You know you're right. Great screenplays like plot wise. You have really bad grammar and he looks at me and he goes. Goes you have amazing grammar skills and spelling and all that you think you could help my friend here and I was like sure so then I started writing his like helping him write his screenplay, but then I noticed stuff in the scenes and I was like wait. What if we do this instead? or or what if we are better? I'm not trying to overstep my bounds, but just what? He's thinking of this. And eventually we ended up working together and creating some things on our own like completely together and actually that I was like you know, maybe I could do some things on my own, and so you know I got final draft I started. Writing everything down and I mean I kind of always told stories when I was since I was little like I would wake up in the morning and go bug my grandma. Hey, let's go like I WANNA be. You know have a day because I'm kidding up. Wake Up. Wake up and she was like I want to go back to sleep, so tell me your dreams and she would like kind of like. You like just just tell me what you jumped about and I would tell. Tell her my dream, but then I would elaborate and turn it into a cool story and she'd wake up and be like. Did that really happen? I was like well I kind of the end, so yeah, and so I started writing down some of the dreams. It wrote down stuff that you know. I thought of and it's really fun. Actually I like acting more, but it's still really fun. Have you written stuff for yourself to to act or usually just mostly for other people? I kind of I make the character just based on. What fits was story. I don't really think necessarily about Oh if I'm the main character I kind of I put people I know. Blake not the full person like I. Don't go, okay. My Grandma's this character I I kind of take bits and pieces of every person including myself and put them into the character to make the character rat well rounded. And so like when I'm developing a character, it's not one person I know it's kind of a combination of everybody but there are ones where when I'm done. I review it again and I'm like man. I wish I could be that person you know I would want to act. And so yeah I do, but it's kind of accident. Kind of after you know. And I think between people who write scripts and storylines and regular writers leads the same thing I've interviewed a guy named mark. Retort, who's written a lot of like fantasy books and stuff like that about vampires and ghosts, and he says a lot of the characters are based on people that he knows, but he said it's never just the one it. It's just a combination I. Guess you don't WanNa. Make it too similar to one person. Because then you wouldn't to think a little bit. You don't want him to be predictable to. Plus! Interesting to have the character you know, do something unexpected so. Yes my mom, she's always normally really sweet and she. You know she's reliable whatever, but if maybe she did something you know Kinda crazy like my exit one day. She just never showed up and it's like Whoa. Why did you do that? And it makes the story more interesting, and then you find out that there's like deep-rooted 'cause, and apparently she you know was hiding the fact that she secretly goes out in the middle of the night and helps people a superhero or something like that. You know like you add things that are crazy and than kind of like mellow them out when you're. On Your first movie that you were in wasn't too long ago, you did A. Video Show Rocky Kramer. Oh, that was. Actually I think a year ago or something Bono's fun, but I was I was just in the back on knows. Cheering Rocky on Kind of fun, but I didn't have a speaking role or anything I. Just kind of was like good job rocky. But trying to think I well the most recent one I did. It's not on nine bb yet. was Bonnie Boys and I'm wearing this red leather jacket. I have like you know the side, not exactly saved, but like it totally could be pin back of my head I have the hair flipped over. I'm basically this gangster's wife and I'm talking to his mom boss Dad and I'm like I. Don't know where you is an and he's asking me where he is and I'm like I. Don't know maybe if you didn't hurt. Emerging threatened to hurt him, he wouldn't be gone and like I'm frustrated at the situation because with my husband. That was really fun. Do? You have certain parts that you like playing. Oh, you really WanNa to just kind of keep it wide open. I think for now it would be fun to. Try Different things I haven't found an exact like me. But I kinda definitely WANNA try a bunch of different things and leave it mostly open something that I really want to try and I'm kinda nervous. Cause a little bit out of my comfort zone is comedy. I seem like I would love comedy. That'd be great with comedy because I'm happy. Go lucky, but it's kind of I. Don't know I've never really done. Accommodate thing. I did have this little blurb where I was serious, but it was funny. Where it was in maybelline, molly and me, so I was at the car and I, was a mechanic, and I come over, and I'm helping somebody with a car, and he goes so busy shop today and I'm like the only team some boys how to turn a wrench so many times, but you know and I keep talking, and it's Kinda funny, but it's like I've never done full on comedy the whole time it was just one feature segment and I thought it was so i. I want to try more comedy again. Dramas really fun, too, because I have a lot of traumatic stuff in my life before. Even though I seem really happy, there's been events that are traumatic, and it would be fun to have that emotional recall aligned with you know being in the character completely. I, think that would be really great to kind of dig into also. Do you have any favorite kind of movies or favorite genre of movies that you love to see? Inspirational movies like Have you seen pursuit of happiness with Wilson I actually never saw that I. Know what you're talking about. It so good or rocky. You know like just super like where it's kind of the underdog, and they kind of are struggling for a while, but then it's like they get to the top, and they're the. They're in tears because it's so amazing that they find the got there that kind of thing I always asked to people who act if there was any movie or movie role actually that you've enjoyed maybe throughout the years where you wish you could play that character. What character would you WANNA BE? Oh I really love the new Aladdin via the live action Aladdin I'd love to play Jasmine. I thought that that was incredible. It was very empowering and I thought she did amazing. She's beautiful and her song was great and I. Just thought would be a really cool role to do. An interesting choice. Okay, well, since since we're talking, let's give you three wishes. All. I that there was going to be no math, but Oh. Yeah, that would be my first now. Fun would be listening. To be able to successfully by my standards. Act as my career, which successfully I say. After where I. Feel Like I've. Contributed to the world in a sense and helps people see like things that inspired them like. If somebody came up to me and said that something inspire them that I did that would be hught if you know I can inspire my really close family members that would be huge to be able to like. Sit on the couch and watch a movie I was in with my family would be the second one and inspire them tying into the first one. The third one would be to get to a point Nancy I. Think to where I could contribute to causes that. Would help the world so kind of those three I guess would be the biggest ones I wanted to say world these then I realized that everybody says that. So I was like I could contribute to the world in a positive way without just you know Brad like just making the super broad world peace. I want the world to have a piece but I WANNA try to contribute to it too so. There's nothing wrong with wanting to make your own mark in. University and of course like I really want my family to be healthy. I feel like this would have to be something. I might have to think about. Like okay I could make the I do kind of one, and then we like I. Really Want to inspire people including my family, and then the second one would be my family. Be Healthy, and the third one would be to be able to you know, provide for causes that could the world. There's three. That works something. Maybe help answer this question. You were a script supervisor. What exactly does the script supervisor? Do I never really knew that well? Okay? We're the people that when the actor IOS line. We tell them the line. And also like I have a ring on this finger right well I would as a script supervisor. Make sure that it was on this finger when we came back to scene. Because obviously the person's not going to just like have it on a different thing here in the next section. You know or you know. Make sure that the microphone is on this side not on this side. Just things like that to make sure that there are no continuity errors. Also. The director is above us, so we can let the director. No, Hey, so I noticed that. This doesn't align with the script. Do you want? You know this is what the script says. What do you think and there are certain times where they'll change things you know in the script or there's other times where they'll go. Oh, let's let's go back and do that because I want it to be the same script. Basically are the liaison between you know what they're doing and the scripts to make sure that they alive. and. It's funny with the Internet era. I think that becomes such a bigger deal, too, because I remember with a continuity of the movie, they showed like scenes from pretty woman and Richard Gere and Roberts are sitting at a restaurant and they have, and both have drinks in their hand, and the levels of the drinks keep changing throughout the conversation. Going back and forth, so you could tell they must've film. These you know taking different takes and just kind of like regather, and just that little dumb detail made it almost like the Internet found this distraction. Yeah, like There was a game of thrones things I think a year ago or something to that. They had a starbucks inside of the I never saw it. I just read all the stuff on the Internet about, but I was in like a student film. Maybe it was I think two years ago now and we had to eat ice cream outside, and it was an ice cream cone, so it wasn't like a bowl where you could like hide the amount. It was like a cone where you could see how much the and they're like cut and I'm like This is going to melt like. What do you want me to do to keep this going? And so they kept buying more ice cream and I'm like. Oh my gosh. It was just it was fun. It was crazy. They must have had special ice cream. Props like half eaten ice cream full, cohn. Cone. It was ice cream we had to just kept like I'm not gonNA. Look at for a minute because he'll cut and then I'm like, but it's melting. So how do I make it? Look Save. It was it was fun. Also done some work as associate producer return. Your. Also. Did a number of things on that movie I love that movie. It was so fun to it was crazy 'cause the weather got crazy at one point and we had to like rush. The the leads out and be like okay. You got to hurry up and do this scene because the sun's GonNa go down and if it goes down before the Senate will look. Hurry up, let's go, let's go. But that was, it was such a fun production and I love the people. They were so nice, and it was just that one was amazing was very fun now. I know you said you wanted to talk a little bit about a gift of the heart. Yes a gift of the heart is a book written by Andrew Hitler and he actually is getting He's going to talk about it on the Ellen show he's turning it into a movie and. You know the data on smallville is the doctor and the failure that we've got which is totally cool and There's a website. It's www dot, a gift of the heart dot com, and it has all the things I'm talking about their. It's a really really inspiring story and I think you know how you feel about inspiring stories, so it's it's just. I don't want to say too much. Because it's something that you've gotta just like, see for yourself, but it is good stuff, and it's very inspiring, but do you have any new acting projects? Coming up knows things that closed down because of the coronavirus. Unfortunately but I am waiting to hear back from. Actually three different production companies because we had them set up for May June and August and they called me and they're like well. We don't know exactly what's going on with the virus. Things or we're going to have to stop for a while and I'll call you back and let you know when we want you to come back into it, so I'm not in tireless. Tireless yet. Unfortunately, but I'm definitely looking forward to when it comes back up. Because I want to get back into the end everything you know and I. Guess there is a big part of being in the entertainment business that you have to be patient. Even I mean people think movies get shot over like a couple of weeks where it be a couple of years sometimes. Yeah exactly everything has to be you know set up the best way for the entire production so sometimes it'll be you know if for example if you want the person to a or something, you need to like make it longer, or you know it just depends on so many things it depends on locations then people and you know their schedules and it's just it's a lot. And I'm looking at your credit and everything and all the different that you've played with movie making. What you will, you haven't been in a lot of movies right now, but like you say there's upcoming things. Your background that you have probably gives you such a good arsenal because you can go on and understand what's going on behind the scenes like what my caused a delay you. It makes it a little more relatable. I have a lot of compassion for the crew, and for you know the director and the Scripture Browser, and just every single cog that fits together to make the production good and I just I have a Lotta respect for them. Especially the editor that is some hard work man I was looking at somebody else. Editing and I was a little too nervous to do it completely myself. I was watching him edit and I was like. Oh, my Gosh! That's a Lotta work. You have to make sure everything is just perfect, and it's fantastic. They are amazing people. I think I. Mean I have a lot of respect for all of them. The director just everybody. Advice. Would you give somebody wanted you get involved in to the entertainment business? Well I, think the first thing I would say would be to always learn so no matter where you go, even if you're not on set at, just learn about people learn about yourself, especially learn about you know what you. What you look like from an outside perspective, what you feel on the inside how people you know, handle things how they react to things and then learn your craft learn as much as possible all the information just like soak it in and constantly grow constantly. Hone your Craft Watch something that you did before and don't critique it to the point where you're. You're like sad like Dang. I must suck, but critique it to where you know that in the next one you're going to do this better and just always keep going up and always keep growing as much as possible, and you also have websites Murphy Dot. COM! Yeah, it's www dot, charlie dash, Marie, dot, com, and what do you have on there I have. Have a video of when I. You know hosted stuff for gift to the heart. I have a video. That's my acting real and I have a little bio section that my first director I ever had wrote for me He actually took a quote of something I. said put it in there, and I have an upcoming page that. That talks about all of the you know podcasts I do or upcoming movies or you know projects I've done, and I also have an advocacy section, or you know I like to talk about and raise awareness for Adhd and autism, and because people don't always understand some people really do understand, and they have to deal with it every day, but some people. Don't have awareness about it, and it's kind of just you know I. Talk About things that could hopefully raise awareness, and personally I have adhd, and so sometimes I'll put a little funny story about something I. Did that I didn't even realize it was an adhd thing until I talked to my doctor about it, and he was like yeah, did you know that they're? They're doing that. Because of this I was like Oh. Really that's interesting and so kind of as I learned more about it myself and putting more stuff out there that people can learn to which I. Think is kind of cool name is Charles Marie and I thank you so much for coming on down and I hope that we the rest of your lunches enjoyed. Thank you so much really really enjoyed being on the show I. enjoyed talking to you. Thank you. It our rebels. In the Sherpur screening room, I'm hanging out with Mister Joe Walker. And Joe is an actor who's been doing so. Bad about good twenty years or so, but he's got a really interesting stories, and he says I'm sure movies, and some longer movies and. He's had a lot of fun and we've been chatting away here, so we figured. Let's hit the record button and little rebels get to hear the rest of stories so how you doing Joe. I'm doing great yeah. I tell us tell us about yourself. Well my name is Joe Walker I. Live way down in San Antonio. Texas the unknown land. I, have been. Doing acting for a little bit over twenty years and I started out I was about. Eighteen years old I was about to graduate high school. And I was like I. Don't know what I'm GonNa. Do with my life and so I remember I was at the mall. And they had this deal called explore talent and I thought man. These people approached me and. You. Know we'd like to have you come out to this event and audition with us. Until I did and it was more of a modeling. deal, and of course they picked me and had me do a whole bunch of stuff and I thought. Okay that was cool and then I. Got I got. Very excited about the idea of doing this type of industry and I thought man. Let me open up the phone book and see what's in there about talent agencies because everybody kept hitting them with holidays. The idea of getting a talent agent so I. Trust the all yellow pages which I don't know if we still have those. and I looked talent agent. And I started calling them. Not having any idea of what where it would lead or would, it would turn into or not even having any money. And so I remember I called the first line, the list which was avant talent, and I called them and I said Hey. really interested in maybe pursuing a career. In the acting and modeling industry and I I don't know where to begin, but I'd like to. Try this out and so. The lady said Hey, well. How about this? We have a wind day. at six PM to eight pm we haven't We basically have you come in. Will throw. We'll tell you a little bit about the industry. We'll kind of look at you and you. You know you're fit for this kind of work. And I, said okay, and so I showed up at their office, and I came in and. They. They threw out all the stuff like you're going to need headshots. You'RE GONNA need. you know to have a couple of you know modeling photos, and this and that and the other and. And I said well I don't have any money. And so she said well I think you got a great look. And I will front you. The head shop and I said okay. She's, but you're going to have to do some work. They call it. Tromo work which I found out later on. That's just it's. It's really. Not The funnest work I remember I for my promo work. I had to work a like a concession. Stand type thing. Was I was excited to be there, but I I worked off those headshots about a month after I got my head shots back. She sent me an email and she said Hey There's a short film. and I'd like for you to audition for. Now I had never read a script I never looked at anything like that and. So she sent me over the information with the script. And I read it and I just feel the energy in you know within me like man. I'm really excited about this. You know opportunity and. You know I'm GonNa. Play this con artist, bad guy and. You know I I hadn't book the role yet, but I had to go through the audition. I'd never done an audition before in my life for a film. And I will never forget I must've read that script. Thousand Times and it was only nine page script. But the side were just a couple of pages. And I had memorized. I mean even near the punctuation marks like that's how much I had it memorized. And so I showed up. And I got into the audition. And I performed to the best of my ability, and then I let. And about? Two hours later I get a phone call from the agency and says Hey wanted to let you know the new book the role so my very first audition. I booked the role and I was just like. Oh, my gosh, this is okay. This is happening, you know. And it was a paid role. and. It wasn't much I mean it was a hundred bucks for the day. Which that was twenty years ago so and I was only eighteen hundred bucks to me was like. A, bunch! Of Money. Pile of money you know. So I. We start prepping for the shoot and I'm eighteen years old, my love interest. Is Thirty five years old and she had smoking hot. Okay like smoking smoking hot. And so I'm eighteen years old doing and in in in the in the script. They have a a quick make out team. On never forget. I invited the thirty five year old over to my house. Do Practice. Running line and. 'cause she also was like I. would like to practice in front of the cameras. Are we set up a little Tripod with a camera? And I was on cloud, Ninety nine I'm eighteen years old making out of the thirty five year old woman in my apartment for this film and I thought this is the life. This is what I want. This is what I WANNA. Do you know like this is incredible? and so that was made. And It showed at a film festival. I went to the showing the screen. I ended up leaving. I didn't know that there was a Q. and A. Right after the screaming and the producer that made the film was like they were asking all kinds of questions about you when he's like. Why did you leave and I was like I? Thought it was over. I thought the film. You just walked out. Of the theater! And, so he's like man. You could like made a bunch of networking and connections and whatnot, and so I know I. missed that part of so I didn't know. was still a rookie, and then after I did that. I decided I. Thought You know what? I was in college. It was I. I started doing a bunch of just short films for free around the city. And it was like. It seemed like I was doing a film like every. Three or four weeks you know at least once a month I was doing a little short film here and there and the and so I started building up a a a real, and I put together a real. And Then I got really wrapped up in college, and so I went off. Texas state which is in San, Marcos Texas which is about forty miles north. Of San Antonio. And I couldn't figure I at first I wanted to do. I wanted to be a newscaster. Like and do the news like a broadcaster. I went I went into mass communication. And I failed the intro class. Miserably twice. Like I. Try to a second time. Then you just don't have this. And so I was like all right. What do I do now so I took acting classes. So, I decided I'm GONNA get my. Bachelor of Fine Arts degree and I'M GONNA. Do do that and then. Go from there, so I started taking these acting classes at Texas state. and. Theater acting classes are very strange and they're very odd. And then they wanted to me to read Shakespeare and write a thirty page paper on Shakespeare. and. That's when I dropped out of college because I was like man i. don't even understand what Shakespeare saying. And he's I came to understand any of this and I'm not going to be able to rise thirty base paper so I went to the dean. And I told him I said listen man of like I'm not cut out for this and said I think I I I wanNA take my chances. And? I WANNA move to Austin I decided to pack my bag. Drop out of college and moved off Austin. And I continued to do a bunch of film of their. Since then. I've done a lot of films. I've gotten to a point where. People that know me. I don't have to audition for them at all. They just have me come out because they know. I'M GONNA. Follow through and I'm GonNA. Be Prepared, and I'm GonNa come you know as the character is. Want when I moved back to San Antonio. My new I switched agencies and my new agents that. Hey, there's this Phil. She's like. There's a scene in it where you're going to have to possibly kissing another guy and she said, but there's some big names involved in it. And you know I. Really liked to audition for this now. Auditions in Austin and You know until. I told her I. said You know you're my agent? You told me what to do, and she said I would go for it and so I went. And I drove up to Austin and I didn't for this film called Dadgum Texans. Again like the first film that I ever did I review those sides. I knew every mind back and forth I became I created my own. I played buck, which is, he's a dumb jock. That like he doesn't know, but he might be gay. You know okay and He's not sure if he's gay, but he might be, but he doesn't know and so he's just a real dumb jock. And so I practice my facial expressions and our practice all the stuff, all the lines and Utilize, all that stuff that I learned in Texas date and theater. And I went into that audition. And I'll never forget it was in. This was in a downtown building in Austin Texas. It was at the top floor in a really fancy schmancy office. was nervous out of my mind. I took a deep breath. I got into character. I walked in I performed all three pages of of screw it. Without. Even looking at and she said Oh my that was great and I walked out and the next thing I know. My agent called me the next day. She was like You book the role and I was like no way. And later on, I got talking to producer and she said. We auditions about who that we had two thousand submissions, and we all dish it about two hundred people for that role. And she said when you walked in, she was like we. We just felt like you were book. And Like. I have practiced so hard to get that role again. It only paid a hundred. Even this time. It was one hundred dollars a day. And, so I remember with a feature length film and I was on set for. Thick solid date, and so I made arrangements with my job and I. You know, did all that stuff and showed up and I. I went to set. And there was a couple of people that were there that were getting like top priority. You know they had their own trailer and they had their own like you know assistance and whatnot and I was just like 'cause I'm not sag I'm not a SAG actor. Is At this point in live in Texas with the right to work state you don't need to be. I didn't know who I was working with. And later on. I found out that the grandma that was there. Her name is Peggy Stewart. She I was watching a bunch of Adam Sandler's film and she. In a ton of Adam Sandler's film. And I thought Oh. My Gosh. I just worked with a celebrity. You know I remember her talking about being in a bunch of Westerns and I. Remember sitting at the table. When we had lunch and she mentioned that she was going to do some. Adam Sandler Film and I. You know most Actors Talk Talk Talk and you don't really believe him. And so when she was saying that I was kind of like yeah, right all. They don't know what you're talking about, you know. And it turned out that she wasn't. Two of them line. Unfortunately that no, so there there was also Jeff Fahey and he was on the hit show loss, and he was one of the main characters that the show lost I don't know that show is big for quite some time. And then I looked him up and I was like wow, man I just worked with a bunch of everybody. And I had no idea. And there were some people from comedy central. That were there. They were onset after that film. When I realized who those people were while, they were putting the film together I thought. Wow, I'm going to be a huge star now. I don't need to do anything else. I book the lead role in this film, and there's all these you know celebrities in it I. Don't need to do like this at still becomes something I will. Obviously, you know my career will advance. And that film got what's called. Shell, which means it. It never really went anywhere recently. I worked on A. Film called hands were made for knocking. and. It's a short film usually with independent shorts. You think okay, there's no budget. They don't have great equipment they don't. Have you know this that and the other. and. I remember walking onto that. The Guy told me it's going to be shot in the studio and they're going to build the set and I was like okay, you know. There's a Lotta people. They talk, but they don't really follow through and I showed up to set. And I was like wow. They built. A small how they made everything was from the nineteen eighty that I mean. We're talking in the refrigerator. The the blenders cooking utensils is still the the table. The couches I mean everything look nineteen eighties and that the film. Starts out in nineteen eighties and it goes from there when the guy grows up to the boxing film. And I'm really excited about it because they're talking about going to sundance and canes and. You know next year south by West and because the film will be completed at the end of this month. they will submit it to all those bigger festivals. And see what we're going there and I. And so I'm excited about that project, and then I have another project. called Bellwood. It is a a sizzle for a TV pilot. that we recently shot. I shot this on March the second. They had some very. EXPENSIVE CAMERAS! They shut off this downtown street. They they had the track and I. I'm able to reveal this, but like I had a stunt in it where I actually get hit by a car. so they they actually I actually did my first ever stunt. Where like I? My character, he plays a businessman. And he's talking on the phone. And you see this girl and then. They they make contact with like she's got some kind of evil in her or something, and he backed up and. Gets hit by a car and I thought man cool. I can add that to my. You. Know thing listening things to do so. I've got to project that. I'm really excited about. That, they're gonNA. Go further now. I just film this past Sunday. With A. Guy Who I admire the young kid. He's like twenty four years old. And this guy. He writes Switz-. Shoot them. He has his own production. Company called defiant motion pictures. And he's just very excited about doing things on his own. name is David. Carbohydrates I'll never forget. We went to the beach. I. Would wear my swimming Jones went out to Ming and. I had cargo shorts and put over my swimming trunks and so. me and my four the group of four of us. We went to a smoothie shop. That was right by the Santa Monica Pier. And we go into the smoothie shop. I look like I peed my pants. Okay, because my my wet swimming drunk have gone through my short. And they've gone through the backside and frontside. And, so we walk into this smoothie, it's like a really fancy schmancy smoothie shop and we sit down we we somehow dot that in the very center of the. The the smoothie shop. And I look over to my right. And I was literally starstruck, because they're Julia Roberts right there like ten feet away from me, and they're having a meeting and talking and whatnot. And my friend got up. She went to the bathroom she was like. Oh, my gosh. I I just ran into heather locklear in the bathroom, so we're. We're just so rounded by celebrities. And I kept looking Julia. Roberts kept looking over at me and a looking over Julia. Roberts you to look it over at me and I thought man I mean. Maybe we should I mean I it hit on her or something. You know and like And I never I got up. We all got up at the same time and as we got up Julia. Roberts and her group got up. And I walked to the front door of the they were sitting outside. Mind you. They had like a little Cabana. They were directly across from. And I walk to the front door and she was right in front of me like I'm talking I I could have made out with her face thing. And I turn back the thing something to my friend. And I turn backward and she literally vanished. Like. Like out of thin air, I was like I it almost like like she just disappear. And I I was like. Wow, is that how either a suv just came by and jumped in and took off like. It was gonNA. Split Second, so that was one of my experience in La and. The other thing I I did this show one time. Okay and I know that. A lot of production company. They look at Austin, and they look at doubt. Okay. To shoot these shows and whatnot. But I did this show it was it was fun. It's a it's a a show that's on Youtube. It's called dating beyond borders. And the the camera man and the production company. They're all out of Canada. And they go all over the world I mean all over the world. And they asked people questions about what it's like today in their area. The Guy comes they I booked the role because like I. Know this Kathy Right. She's like hey, they want. They want a Guy Kinda Texas Guy about your age. They want you to play a fake date, and so I hope I'm not giving away too much information, but like when the girls fake date. You know acting is not easy. Okay, acting a lot of hard work and people don't realize that they all man that looks like fun I should do I can totally do that. No, no, no, you don't understand. I collect wardrobe. I have a closet full of wardrobe. That I've collected for things I have a full cop. Uniform I have a full military uniform. I have doctors. Outfits have nurses outfits I. Have you know you name it? I have nineteen seventy looking jackets, and like you know all the different things that you're going to need. For these audition. It's not as easy as it looks. You have to prepare for the character. You've got to memorize your line. You Have I. Have I have in my house right now? I have my own video room that he dedicated to shooting video auditions because that's what become if no longer auditioning and I and You're sending these videos and I speak for all actors do this. It is so frustrating. When you're sending these videos then. And you don't even know if they ever get viewed. And I really wish that they would go to. Some sort of deal like where you send the video in, and you get a confirmation from the casting that they viewed your video. I did do on commercial that you know and I'm not really big on the I talked about a lot about Peggy Stewart and all those people that I worked with. But I'll never. I did this casino commercial. and. It was a three day shoot. It was in Oklahoma. And I. Even right now I'm throwing a blank. Okay I have his name. Okay, never mind. So shocked, sitting there like Josh! We want to let you know Josh. Do Mail is going to be the the lead, the main character and you know just respect him. And I remember I. Remember telling the guy the person I was like I. don't even know who that is like I, don't I don't know there's a Lotta actors that they follow other actors, and they know other actors, names and famous people named I. Don't Know Anybody's name I just show up and do my job and do the best of my ability, and so after I worked with the guy because I had no idea who he was I was on set with the guy for three days. Super Cool, guy by the way gave me a ride in stretch limo, and we hung out, and you know had fun and I, even like gambled a little bit with him at the table and I looked him up and I was like. Oh, my Gosh, DUDE GUYS! A major celebrity didn't even know who he was you know. I am currently putting together a new real. I'm waiting on footage from breaking the loop the Jim you mentioned that earlier. That was a film that. I had that a full blown copying form and I'd never gotten footage of me running. And in that film I'm wearing a COP unit foreman. I'm running full speed. And I run after this this situation and I. And I put your hands up or whatever you know like really aggressively though. And I can't wait to get that footage. And what do you think have? I'm sorry I'm blanking on. The ball you talk or something? I think. Sooner or later, at least stop and get some water or something like that. I was just reading Joe. But no I appreciate what you've what you've said because you've really provided a lot of insight into the acting world, especially for people who are listening who might want to get into that field, and it's not like you said it's not that easy. You can't just going to step off the bus in La and go well here I am now. I'm going to be a millionaire and I going to get the lead role in every movie that I auditioned for. Right, it doesn't work that way and like people don't realize, do you? You gotta be onset sometimes. At Five am the last commercialized. Jot that I was. You know shooting for commercial. They wanted me to be on set at five am sharp meaning. I had to be up at four. In a hole and they gave me a hotel for that night and I don't know about you jim at the first, the first night in the hotel is usually the hardest night this week. You know like for eight Mike Grant every time. The first night is like the hardest night. And so I tossed and turned to one a M, and the alarm went off at four o'clock in the morning, and you better be there. Because your reputation is on the line. So you know if you're if you're late, there's no such thing as late. In the entertainment industry. If you're fifteen minutes. Early! You're on time. Though they expect you to be there. On time all the time. It's not like any other job where you clock in a little bit late, and they're like okay well next time. Try to her earlier. No, you get one shot at it. You know there's long hours I stopped doing extra work for TV shows. I did that a lot. When I was younger, because I really wanted to to see what it was to do, a big production. And I'll never forget like they would put the camera on me and I would think Oh man I'm going to be in this film. Right I'm so excited like you know and I'm getting paid sixty eight dollars for a twelve hour day or whatever I don't remember what the rate was and I saw the film and you're a blurb. just like all that they have the camera right on me. How could I not be in the film? You're a piece of furniture. Basically I stopped doing extra work. With, you know they. They encourage actors to do it. Because you just never know you know, they always say you just never know. The director may be like. Hey, that guy I want him to come over here and I. WanNa say one line, and sometimes that one line to really start your career, but you know we're getting paid awful money. You're making seven fifty an hour. They work for twelve hours And I just decided recently I was like you know if I'm not gonNA be a featured role or principle out pat, but I decided they if God wants me to be an actor, he'll put the right people in place for me, so I just need a standstill now now. I do I, have to put in the work. Yeah, but. I feel like the industry will make its way I. The right connections will happen. But I'm also a realist knowing that if you're going for a role so or one thousand other people that are going for that same role. Sure, you couldn't dead cat without finding out that the dead cat was an actor also right. I'm sure that dead cat had a starring role in in a an a horror film. My Agency is out of I work with Neal Hamil Agency out of Houston Texas, and they do have a lot of connections out of New York. are big time modeling agency. And they have some big names in their their group and so. And they do these things every once in a while where they'll have people come from New, York or La and come to their office and you auditioned in front of them. But. You know for me. Being in South Texas I think my best bet. Right now is New Orleans Louisiana those areas. That I need to search for a secondary agent. And see where that rides out. You know I know. Atlanta was really hot for a while. I don't know if it's still super. Hot I know Atlanta was on fire until something happened. I can't remember what happened, but something happened. and. A Lotta productions pulled out of there. But again for anybody that's wanting to get into acting. It's not as easy as it looks and get ready because you. You're going to do a lot of work. It's a lot of. Updated headshot keeping your body in shape keeping your you know doing all the different things that you can do building unreal building website. I mean I feel like I'm the worst person at technology and it's almost like to be frigging scientists. figure out some of this stuff man like. I. You know I had to learn how to edit my own video auditions. I was fortunate enough this guy he taught me and every time he would shoot a video audition I would sit right next to him and it'd be like. Can you teach me how to edit you know? Show me how to do you know and so. bit by bit. I learned how to edit. you have to download and send these videos you. You know. I had to buy a two thousand dollar cameras so that I could you know shoot? Chris, quality video audition. I bought whites for 'cause. You know you WANNA. have good lighting and. again all that stuff is tax. Write off the ball, so you know if you start your business and you're good. But Jim one day. You know somebody may recognize me and I'll go as. Far as I'll go, but you know like. Everybody has a dream to do it, and some people are willing to risk their lives to do it and. I mean I do it as a hobby. And I and I'm pretty lucky 'cause. I book a lot of stuff. And I'll just continue hobby ended out, and if anything ever blows up then cool, if not I had fun doing it and I met a lot of cool people. Nineteen? He's name he's. Joe Walker and I would like to say thanks a lot for coming on down to the screening room and Say giving a lecture on. Being an actor. Forever beyond man. Thanks for listening to the show screening room and very special. Thanks to both Charles Marie Ngo Joe Walker for swinging by in. Give it up a little bit. I don't know that means. Anyway. You can follow this show on social media at your pollution facebook, twitter and Instagram, and you can listen to it on your favorite podcast APP or at my website pollution dot com. Don't forget tomorrow. They'll be another episode. You don't have to wait till next week. Oh Boy, oh, boy, so while the anticipation builds Mr Bruce. Can you please show everyone? Don't thank you, sir, fever, share pollution! 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Best of the 2018 No Film School Podcast Interviews, Part 2

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Best of the 2018 No Film School Podcast Interviews, Part 2

"Hey, everybody. This is John fiasco in Europe, adding to the no film school podcast. We had some of the stretches to and this bunch of best delves proves it Giorgos length most Debra Granik. Jeremy saw the the legendary Mike leave all make parents as does the Nevil new at sea mcqueen's Goto editor Joe Walker. So without wasting any more of your precious time. Let's get into it. I on the docket is Debra Granik whose film leave no trace graced many prominent critics end of year lists and his widely considered to be one of the best films of two thousand eighteen grants. Films are known for their visceral intimacy gravitating performances, particularly from young talent, the most well known example cer- direction of Jennifer Lawrence's breakout role in winter's bone, which was nominated for an Oscar for best picture two thousand eleven leave. No trace features another such breakthrough performance from the young Thomas MacKenzie. Grant, clearly got nine for this sort of thing. Liz Nord sat down with Granik. It's talked about how she's able to spot such talent. And the casting process. She uses that we can. All attempts to adapt for own work. Here's an excerpt from leave no trace the secret ingredient to great casting. First question is just what is your general casting process? And again anyone feel free to jump in the castings very communal. You know, we're all looking at the dishes were. In together at times, you know. And so I think. What is usually at play is the vast of the role. Right. So that we it was not lost on anyone that that the role for a teen woman in this film was going to be rich. You know, it was going to be something where she was going to be able to demonstrate so many sites for self how she relates to thority how she relates to someone very close to her. What how what she observes? How she does it. And so it would be what she says what we see her seeing what we see back reflected on her. And that would also be a lot of physicality to this role, which is also extremely rich. When especially when you're plying that to a female because she's out there traipsing, she's moving she's strong. She's. She's got the gear she knows how to use this knife, and she has his prowess. And so we think felt excited that whoever we were going to cast was going to have very meaty, really, you know, very filled sandwich, or whatever you a metaphor is. But just saying that shoe on for real. And so I think maybe then the next kind of interesting criterias. Sesing reviving off willingness. Right. And I think. I think all of us could see that the dishes was strong from Thomason. And I think what the subsequent. Incoming until that was was firming an exciting to us was the Skype conversations that followed the audition was where the willingness was manifest where she would let us know that she not just read the script or just the sides. She read the book, and that she was already traipsing around what she called the Bush, which is scrubbed in sort of wildland around where she lives because she's originally from New Zealand. Yeah. Not originally currently. I mean, she's she is a New Zealand full full full fledged Kiwi. So when I hear those kinds of. Ideas being expressed by young actor. I know I'm happy to run to the team and say Tom is Jenner. She's open hearted. I love what she said. She she she and then lo and behold a couple of days later after discussion about some other scenes. You know, like just a discussion of things that she to these improv based on these ideas that we discussed. So I was like, okay. There's no motivation problem here or there's no there's no sort of. Jaded? Maybe you know. Much more. Like, I would love to be a part of this. Let me show you in which ways I I'm already kind of on board. That's really interesting. I love this concept of willingness beyond just the skill. Are there any things that you have done are you as a team have done to sort of get someone to demonstrate willingness like kind of almost like a test. You've put folks through. You. I I don't know what day it was recently. I was thinking you can't. You can't demand. Anything people have to wanna give it. And and that especially. The more experienced an actress boy does that play out. You know? Because they're they're feeling their own set of. Inspirations, and and things that their ideas and thoughts and feelings that they're turning up to to bring to the role. So they're going to give that with a younger, actor, however. I would say there are tested. But it's like, you can float ideas, and the receptive. Young actor will build on them. Right. I mean, I think in the casting process for Tom, you know, to get to the next round beyond that I process where she sends an audition, you had her do an improv to see what it was like to actually work with her to give her an idea and see what she walks away with and brings back to the table. So and then in in this particular role, she plays the counterpart to her dad, of course, will the characters name, and so he had to be carefully cast. I mean, these to carry the whole film. Do you have a different casting process or approach for for older? More experienced actors than younger is all the same. The father was was hard to cast because for a variety of reasons. But I I would think I think one of the most it would take someone who actually wanted to spend the time doing something like skills training or some kind of immersion. You know? So this is this would not be suited for someone who really needs their time on set to be the smallest amount possible. Right. And that. No extra thing could be asked of them. And I think through conversation with Ben that was made by, you know, his interest is initial interest in the script, which you know, he was so. Communicative about last night. And. That the conversation could happen. And then he he definitely said, oh, though, that's the way I like to work I do like to work I like to work with immersion. I like to be trained. I like to be exposed to the ingredients and the textures that will be accurate for my my character. And then we knew as a team that he had also prior to this done a lot of personal research into lives of soldiers. And what it means? You know, what someone's might be left with after combat experience and in that had dated back now several films for him. So he's bringing an endowment. He's already bringing. You know, I wanna say emotional capital and backstory to this film that. That's that's already that's an asset that he's bringing just right out of the gate, so he hadn't necessarily engaged in combat himself, but he plead rules where he also had to dig into those same kind of emotions that's interesting and be informed. By by spend, a lot of time speaking to soldiers in previous film, trainings, and yes and reading he he's a reader, and he reads a lot of a total and firsthand material. So then you find these two, and you're really having positive feelings about them. And you know, they have the skill. Maybe the willingness again love that word. But then how do you know to these two folks can carry your whole film? I mean, we see them. I don't know the percentage ninety percent of the time more, maybe. You don't know that? I don't think until I think again that goes to the willingness I think Tom I think will wanted to connect with Tom. I think he he he wasn't a father at the time and relief. I think he was really intrigued with the idea of fatherhood, and what it might be to have a teenage daughter, but Tom's openness it's sort of like if you can't connect Tom you can't connect with people because she's just so open and warm, and I think that just opened the door for him to to find that like piece of being a father. So I feel like they they did that themselves just out of being open. But you as devastates you never know until you get onset. But right before in rehearsals, they did they did work together. They did survival training work together. And you know, there was a sense of bonding between them that developed just learning these things together, natural real. Yes. Yes. Right. All right. Were there were there? Other things that you did to to foster a relationship between them early on a real relationship. Well, I know it's been noted that Tom brought Tom, and I guess through Miranda through her mother brought over a Mary greeting practice or a little of small ritual that could be performed. Before scenes, and when they met and drought the filming process, which was to have the close contact by putting you're putting foreheads together. And that I think maybe it's I bend found it strange or wasn't sure what? Because he didn't have the backstory for that until. It was able to be given. But, but I think it started to really work for them and think the, and they practiced it and. You know, that was not something that the crew saw too often that something that they had worked until some of the rehearsals, and I think another. Another wonderful moment came when the skills trainer, Nicole had. Talked about that. They would have a lot of ways of communicating that if they're trying to be undetected, they wouldn't yell free other in the woods. They wouldn't just be hollering at each other and using loud voice. They would have ways. And I think they liked cultivating that. Challenges in this world. There were things to grow into their things to accrue, and I think both of them like that that. Sort of growth curve in in the actual embody walking in the shoes of these characters involve learning, then it gets back to that willingness piece again, and again, they had to be sort of down for that. Mike Lee has a little bit of a different method. When it comes to finding his actors, the legendary director of such classics as naked topsy turvy and happy go lucky negates modern methods like video interviews instead opting for one on one improvisations with those going after the part later, these improvisations will become the basis for building scenes throughout the production. And as a result, they are stacked one upon the other to build a narrative, I was fortunate enough to sit down with leeann tiff this year for an interview titled Mike Lee on how to become your actors dream director. Here's an excerpt. So how do you dental these actors like when you're in the casting process? How do you know that someone is going to have this ability to like build a life onset, like the two kinds of actors intelligent, doctors and stupid. I'm the plenty of thick around the world. I'm none of the filth. So it needs intelligence, but also it needs as I've already said it it's character people who who come on enjoy and get off on on a committed to playing real people out there in the street and not just say well, not motivated by narcissism. How I find them is the way all blessed with Britain takas in the UK. Yes. Absolutely. And I work with the famous Berlin custody Reta, Nina gold, who's on lots of movies, the scene who said all my films topsy turvy twenty years ago, and you know, is very good at. Finding lining people up. Also, you know, I go see shows, I watch television. I do all those things that you do when you and I spent six months casting. I want to say about my costing. Thing process is that first of all. Anyone that's Titian? Comes and I have a conversation with with nobody else in the room. And that's important. Nobody Why's that important because it's about may and them funding out how we're gonna get on, you know, but it's nobody else's business. So the kind of acting the kind of oh dish Nick spirits that many subjected to or in a room full of people who talk about the script, and the, you know, the help get Nicole Kidman and the trying to raise the money all that haven't raised them and all kinds of other stuff. I never asked the about that talk about anything. Familia just might be in. I object to that thoroughly. And so it's all about just one on one. Because when I work with that if they gonna ban it we're going to start on on one word, nobody else in the room. So the homes I and I do that for at least twenty minutes us now for now. And then if it's if I feel there with pursuing I bring them for a whole hour again just one on one, and they do been of what which I won't go into. But it's correct to one by those means I. Get the hang of the possibilities. But his thing. I wanted to say is I have Jecht to become more and more prevalent is oceans on type somebody said to me, do you recall? These absolutely not, you know, it's the whole thing of self taping. The love stuff as become the norm and it's abused its abused. People. Don't look at it all the. And it's very difficult. Us to act a bit of the actual film script. They can't do that. I mean, you have to Brad these things pulled out of the hat. You know, sorta spontaneous without being contending substantial degree bullshit. So I I don't do any of that in it. You know, it's all about what's in. You had are you a like reading these light reading scenes with them? Just now it's all about getting them to do people in. No, no. So I am providing I felt it was possible for the writing process to be combined with the rehearsal process to be combined with the filmmaking process will play making process for actors to be more than just into participant to bait creative artists in their own right? All those things which of informed. I'm being part and parcel of how I've made films on data for ever since the mid nineteen sixties. Can you talk a little bit more about? Maybe you're you're pre production process in that sense. Yeah. I mean the the pill. Of what I been doing which is to say most of the films of mine that you can say what you say most of the contemporary temporary films. Bane where we have set out to explore and to discover stuff and bring into existence to discover what the film is by the process of making it. So there's never a script to the conventional says sit on writer script, and then interpreted in the usual way. I mean, you know, I work at with Oscar to take part of the thing I have to say to them. Look, I don't wanna is. I can't tell you what we do and go to be doing, but we'll find it on conventionally for the contemporary films, while we've made up the narrative, I always say, you know, you will never know anything about the project except what you'll character. No, which makes it possible to explore relationships, and it really organic and truthfully. This you arrive at something secrets and lies all Drako, naked or whatever. So the happens over a long period. Working in some old buildings somewhere as base until we support when I can decide on the. The structure of thing. Very. Preliminary skeletal way on that. We could get out on location seen by seeing sequence by sequence build the scenes through rehearsal improvise, Asian and stuff arriving something very precise, which we then shoot. Of course, why all that's going on with the actors. I'm you know production is preparing. Design is looking for locations. And, you know, a discussion goes on between me and the cinema talk refer to side on the style of how things should look tests and all of those things, but in the end, it's all about getting out there making a feel about what you'd go along in an informed way with these period films, which pizza Lou have proceeded to talk about as the latest. We all of that. Except that you know, if it's a historical subject and everybody knows what it is. Then it's different, but we still use the same technique. So the same approaches to building a character and characterize -ation on bringing it to life and making it happen because you can. Research to the cows come home raid, everything has to raise until you blow in the face. But that doesn't make you hopping in front of the Commons. Know something has to happen. That's all gone ick. Unreal. Three dimensional in front of the camera to create a truth that. We believe in. So what are the type of questions that you use again, and again with your actors when you're asking them to sort of investigate this. Well life. It starts with respect to. Whatever kind of whatever we going with it. We're going to go. Whether it's. Character based on somebody read about history books or whether we're making somebody up. I also say look make a list of real people that you know. And talk to me about them on sometimes, particularly when we're gonna make a car up sometimes that's very extensively. I mean. Sally Hawkins who plays the central car to pop in happy. Go lucky. She is the record holder at two hundred and fourteen she do. David. For naked. I think clocked up ninety it's awesome. But of course, us then whittles down to you know. A couple two or three sources of it. Just it's just that. Acting such as just very good at sort of being themselves. But what I do is not about Spain obsess about playing characters out there in the street. So it's all about if you say, well, if you know to try and think of sources out to simply falls back on the other the resources of himself herself or some random cliche. Sort of half thought about. Character of some sort. Stunted kit of certain kinds of characters. So it gives us this starting point wh what she specific because they you're you're actually asking the actor to do artists due to draw from an actual source. But that it's sophisticate it moves through different processes to gets to the cart character that it's all about putting the actors together and improvising and must have about. So for search on all of that. Until you arrive at a point where you really got hold action on the go, and that's the raw material, which we then control from when we get onto the -cation start to build scenes. Meanwhile, Germany's only has carved out his own little place in film history. His second feature film blue ruin was the first of its kind in many ways an artful, John thriller. That is a spectacle behold and shot on a shoestring budget. His next film green room cemented his place as one of today's most talented, thriller tours and all stems back from blowing shit up as an eight year old and his backyard. His most recent film, hold the dark was a drastic jump in scale in every sense of the word. I sat down with him back in the fall for an episode titled Jeremy Saulnier on why being DP is more fun than being a director. Here's the clip. It seems like practical effects are a big part of your aesthetic. So to speak greatly. Appreciate can you speak to maybe like, the would practical effects mean to you versus like the digital room that we see so often in action movies these days. Yeah. I it. Just what sort of lit the fire in me to make movies is started with making dioramas in my backyard. Yeah. Yeah. It's on fire by take photos of him. Like, I do like a Cobra hiss from GI. Joe put in the dirt melted a little bit. And I started doing these sort of these still lives. I'd recreate things I was a fi find scale model as a kid. My dad was when he was formative years. So I like just realism and recreating things in smaller scale, and that translated to traumatic experience watching dawn of the dead and far too thirteenth part three in a basement. My cousins forced to watch it. That's eight years old. And they would it was just just opening swat team seen Don dad's a head exploding over and over some good neck bites. And I think as as I was already sort of artsy. Craftsy I like to do shit with my hands and paint and be artists. So well, let me just before I go insane. Let me reverse engineer this and see how they did. Because it's actually pretty cool. I liked the there's something about zombie flick like living investigate this further got into Tom's of any through that. And whatever books I could find, you know. Heard about dick Smith's class, but that was expensive and couldn't afford it. But I always sort of pursued that I loved so that converted from still I have some pictures of miniatures to my mom was a researcher at a deaf university. She did a lot of archiving on vedic set. So she brought home this old or right, then brand new state the yard VHS Cam quarter with the separate sort of shoulder strapped deck that recorded on tether. But then I was doing that in my backyard in in I gravitated towards the practical effects, gags and stunts. It's like young boys playing in their backyard. It's like like Tigers play fight. They play kill. Did. And I met some friends, and we all came film collective, we just, you know, there was actually no choice back then we did use a video toaster to do some edits. Okay. What's video to one of the first sort of at it system. Okay. The had out for the for the semi professional market video wipes and transition to VHS players school. But we we had to do that practically anything we would do for school. We'd MacBeth or bay will is doing book reports we just do we get in like Monty python style. Wardrobe and shitty. British accents and say other on fire and all kinds of stuff. Did you actually said each other on five car hits? We did everything back then is different different era. You could you could walk around a neighborhood with a toy gun, people know, it's just some shit has the toy gun. Yeah. You know, there's blood and the gutters and people stopped by the they weren't saying a UK, they'd say, what are you boys? Doing. You know, we make an a movie. Down by the train tracks doing bullshit. So it was really fun kind of a free for all like late eighty s mostly early to mid nineties. Unfortunately, pre Columbine. Nice little time where that kinda shit didn't happen. So you could run around and decrees e shit and streets and have fun and blow each other up, and it was not some sort of, you know, no dread associated with risk. Good times loading heads and all that stuff. Is there any sort of quivalent that may be like kids today could go out and do I mean like the democratization of film is like a real thing with all these new cameras that are coming out making a film collective seems like it was such a formative part of your do it young. Meaning this is when we could video video is still a novelty, we were doing this medium, the teachers would side off like, oh, these go make video I had a paper due on this sort of the Falkland island war. So is made a video war movies, all the friends together, much of fireworks? So it's hard to like. The advice. I have my story is hard to to suggest the people go get a much fireworks when you're aids twelve and your friends, and but but definitely but get your get your hands dirty, go out and have fun and. People by the time listening to actual podcasts. I don't know they're probably in high schooler, but that's when we made most films as high school, and we had a collective, and we did it and we didn't have a sign rolls. We didn't know who the director was who's DP just kind of revolve your term to get eaten by zombie in front of the camera. And then you come back behind the camera. So that your friend can get eaten by AVI. Whatever it was. We just had fun, and we you know, again, like credit or or or assigning roles. Just wasn't. We were just a sort of organism that functioned as one. And. Yeah, I mean, the access now I'm jealous of meaning even for blue ruin that's what triggered that movies. I was waiting for affordable cameras to come out of actually looked like movies and for murder party. My first film wasn't quite that we shot. Standard definition video had a light. I knew how to tell a story with the camera. But I felt the cemetery for you, which I myself was sub. But that's why it was a horror comedy guns. Oh, Halloween fright vest because let's laugh at ourselves. Others laugh at us to and not try and put I make a movie we just don't have the skills yet or the resources, so let's just get goofy and embrace what you have around. Yes. That's certainly less than you can learn from my movies murder party is my high school friends in a warehouse get that done. Although. Lesson learned was not just to listen to everyone saying, oh, if you wanna do cheap movie do people talking to room because that for me was aggravating because you have one sort of bit of continuity. You're you're getting eight people in room they're talking doing to to takes each but still sixteen takes the same seeing burn out. And I wanted nothing more to be more just to be visually driven and go out on the road was actually response to a mock and lock myself in fucking room. Everyone tells you to I'm gonna go get a camera in totally unlocked at room and go shoot what I learned on the corporate video circuit like little slider on a tripod five pound cannon camera. Do this. Execute movie that that that? Instead of was what you're supposed to do for a low budget was what I didn't see happening, which is a artful genre flick. Told in a in a sort of very visual, quiet way. That has troubling a deep enough to sort of hit the art house audience, but satisfied enough on the level to actually sell the dampening very practically built from the ground up with resources from picture cars locations to actors ever had with me. I did exactly what no one else is doing at the time. Now. Now, it's a lot easier. People do it. And I'm excited have been like, you know, that's the one thing I did before people for others like little space where I did. I did blue in because I didn't see those films on the festival site at the time. I I mean, I hadn't seen one. Like, I I was just saying the intro to this podcast. I really hadn't seen anything like it at the time. I was so blown away by like d yet like the expansiveness of the story that you were able to tell. From out of nowhere. Do you know what I mean? So I guess I just got the wrap-up symbol simple sign. So I'm just gonna ask one last question, which is something that asked all of our guests, which is if you had any golden nugget of advice, four perspective filmmakers, you've given us a lot of good advice already. But what would your top number one these advice? Be man, that's a tough one. I think I, you know, I'll say way back to hold the dark because that's kind of. Yeah. Yes. The the most latest movie one day, I'll probably write a book because a lot a lot of things as you enter the film industry, you have to disclose less because there's other people involved and other companies, and and now I'm not talking about Netflix. They're the best partners ever and supportive. It's more about just like the secret histories of movies, and how things get made. It's sensitive now, I did murder party and blue ruined because I owned it. I funded it. It was my friends and myself fucking up, and we'll share all of our fuck ups when everybody those are easier talk about but for for hold a dark. It was like, you know, I think I learned. Primarily that. The impostor syndrome which plague so many filmmakers like one day found out that you're not to people say you are right. You're not a master John ROY used Jerko. And and they're going to take take it away from you. You're not gonna direct again. It's just it's just this terror certain point it the right night right now, you got did mitt like okay now, I'm filmmaker. Because if you if you go into it, and then he should always be kind always be pragmatic and have solutions that you work out with your collaborators. But you should not be embarrassed. Be filmmaker you should you should ask for what the narrative demands. And that's what I've been learning last two movies is. I feel guilty because we built a whole concert venue for green room. I was like, oh, so we're going to build it like just because I I want the door here in the hallway here, and then ended up the whole the whole architecture film all boil down to like if it wasn't what it was in my head when I wrote this script, it was a redesign at the whole movie. Yeah. So just no we're gonna spend shit ton of money into it. Hell the dark was just. You know, I had so many new resources. It was still the same problems is far as we were making twenty five million dollar movie for under fifteen million. Punching above our weight class and all that. But I came out of it. I think this might be. More symptomatic of me and my own reservations. But to be grateful man was like I was coming off this run and just never had time to blink between making blue ruin and into hold dark because I just couldn't stop between movies take so long to get off the ground and you're working for free for over a year. It's like it feels fancy outside. But inside it's desperate, but hold the dark. I'll say okay here. I am. I'm doing war scenes and shootouts and intimate dialogue exchanges with Jeffrey Wright in rally Q and James badge. Dale Alexander Skarsgard, Julian black antelope like these amazing sort of cast members, and I made myself be grateful. I I said, well, you know, we're on some location scouting miscommunication. We couldn't even shoot here because logistics can't get the gear up to the snowy path. And it was like why even here? But instead of bitching, which I would have done normally, I just I did I fail back into the snow made a snow angel and looked up, and it was like man, this is this is truly privileged, and I'm really really thankful and then. Then I got back to work and start a bitch. And again, but I did take that time. So it's important to that. Yeah. But nuggets is just don't stop stay close to the industry in peripheral career tracks. Like, I was a camera person. But I never never left. Never never quit you fem. So when I came back and did blue ruin was with the producers who did films funded other directors that shot for his awful sort of keep just keep in play in. In don't get if you get ambitious, and you blow money on movie does not do well, or your experiment fails. Just keep working regroup. And then for me was six years between movies, and then also broke through and now the filmmaker. But yeah, find your own path. Listen to me and everyone else said that offers advice, but then filter that and ignore what you have to do for you. Yeah. You're going at the most is maybe the highest profile guest we've ever had on the show, and I was more than a little nervous at the idea of interviewing him, the Greek autour has a bit of an unsurprising reputation for being egg Matic in conversation. But are to be a pretty straightforward and candid discussion on how he got his start in the business, and what it means to be a surrealist filmmaker. So without further ado here is your go slant. The most on how to shoot surrealist film. But it like to ask you first is just watch dog tooth again earlier this week, and we'll get to the, of course, we'll get the favorite. But how how how did you just like come right out of the gate making these kind of taboo, films like like how were you able to do that as a young filmmaker to just challenge challenge the audience immediately as soon as you got to the scene. Well, I guess, you know, one of the things were was what attracted me personally as a as a person what you know, what kind of films or literature or music. I liked the obviously had a an impact on me. Another thing. I think is that. I basically started by working in commercials a lot. So my first job in where I learned all the technical aspect of. Of filmmaking is making for for many years commercials. And because in Greece, you know, it wasn't and it still is isn't very difficult to make feature films because there's no, you know, there's no real tradition or industry that supports it. It was kind of unthinkable to that you'll make a career as a as a filmmaker feature films. Oh, I started my by making hundreds of commercials. And when I you know, reached the realization that I can, you know, despite that there's no support or infrastructure that consists, you know, make a film with my friends, and you know, use the resources from commercials production companies and the money that we were making from commercials. I think it was doing something that was exactly the opposite of what we're making while making commercials. So break break every rule. Like anything? Everything needs to be definitely not polished, no makeup. No hair. No lights. Rough northern -sarily narrative. It doesn't have to make sense. Just you know, do everything against what we were making for years. So I think that was that's how I've made my first film can Neta was very few people have seen actually. And then I just I continued from there on making things that I you know, that felt the things that I wanted to make never felt that I had to succeed in you know, as a as a filmmaker because it wasn't really an option for me back, then it was just making films when my friends so we were free to make them. Anyway, we wanted where you ever putting any of your own voice into the commercial stuff that you would do like was. There any way for you to sneak in like some sort of the your guess we'd see later on down the road. Or was that something that you really just like refined after making your first movie? I mean, I guess it was very limited. You know? But but still even you know because it's it's a craft of some kind. You know, you the choices you make in you know, visually or aesthetically or I used to have a, you know, an identity as a commercials director as well. It wasn't similar to my identity, necessarily as a filmmaker. But obviously, you know, if you have some strong ideas in vision about things I think in kind of goes for anything that you do. So, you know, very different way. I think I did have an identity while making commercials for the D toolkit that you were sort of creating for yourself through. I guess the commercials at first, but then like through the movies. What are your biggest tools in creating sort of these surreal worlds? What are the what what are the most useful tools for a filmmaker to create like sort of a surreal atmosphere? I Don I think, you know, there's something in every part of the process that is, you know, from the inception of the idea. The idea is really important how you materialize that into a screenplay, and then how you visualize that through, you know, filmmaking and performance with the actors and atmosphere, and then editing and sound music. You know, every everything I guess, it's not a very, maybe he's not a very useful as, but I guess every part of the process is very very important. Is there a process that you find yourself sort of leaning towards more than any other? Like is there one part that really interests you or excites you still on to this day? Ag- again, there's no there's no one part of the process, but there's moments in needs part of the process that, you know, are what feeds you in order to be able to continue think, you know, when you're when you're thinking of something, and you kind of get the idea, and you get excited that this is something that can be really good. When you you know, you reach a draft of our screenplay that you start feeling confident that you're very near into starting pre-production. That's very exciting pre-production, pretty sucks vicious creature much because there's so many difficulties in practicalities that you need to solve. But, but again, I think you do find, you know, the moments where you know, you come up with ideas with your collaborators or your harassing with the actors, and it's fun. And then filming is extremely stressful because you know, it all there's always about budget and time, and how you're gonna manage to get the things you wanna get and it's going to be like that forever and Yukon return to it, and it's going to stay in history as you recorded his moment and the the fresher is immense. So it's it's it's quite stressful. But you know, you do find yourself, you know, smiling and laughing sometimes with what you're seeing in front of you, and what you know, these adults are creating. And then again, you know, the thing I find quite a boring process is very long and boring. But again, you know, when you see something that didn't work, and then all of a sudden by fiddling with it works again. You know, there's an excitement you you you find again, you're your excitement I film at a than your film festival about a month ago, and you told the audience in Q, and after that there's these title cards on that weren't initially in the plan for the movie. But that's something that you found in the at it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I guess I felt that the film was how to the rhythm of the film was quite fast and things were moving really fast. And it was a good thing. But at the same time, you know, I felt that in a needed to to have some poses in a way that were in long and be able to get people through. Certain period to the next chapter. So I found you know, that the titles were the cars were an efficient way of doing that without having to spend a lot of time or coming up with different scenes or so it was a matter of more punctuation for me. But also, you know, a humorous aspect of it like using a line from the film making into chapter. I guess it's quite a literary device in some ways. What would you say to I guess critics in particular who are like this is your most quote unquote palpable film today? Well, it might be. I mean, I don't know. I hope it is because it's more expensive than the other. But but again, I mean, I never I really never things that way when I'm choosing what I'm about to make. It's just things that interest me things that challenged me feeling that I'm doing something slightly different feeling that I'm becoming better at certain things. So and again, you know, I remind you I I read this two thousand nine so I we started developing developing it back then so it could have been right? The next film. I made right after dog too. So that would be a left turn. So it doesn't really it didn't really matter the fight that I made other films. I mean, I I make films when they're ready to be made. And when I'm I feel the time is right or the script is right or you managed to put it together because of financing, or because of cosseting, I mean, this another reason this to another year or so to make because we were we we sometimes had to wait for the cause. Just because I really felt it was very important to have the right actors for it. And when you know, he didn't old fall into place as I wished to had we had to push the film, and then I ended up making another film before. So it's it's it's, you know, many different reasons why you make a film when you make it. But for me, it's certainly not a plan on making something, which is, you know, more piled -able than something, which isn't and then something which is or anything like that. Well, then going back to some of the more like, I guess taboo, sort of imagery or film making that you have done. I'm like a really big fan of when a director kind of provides us with like the ugly side of things rather than the beautiful. I think it's like a more engaging way to communicate with your audience and leaves them sort of thinking, you know, more critically or more engaged. When they leave is that something that you like resonate with are you sort of fascinated in maybe screwing around with your audience a bid or. Well, I guess, you know, people do offer me why I'm so pessimistic or films are so dark. But I, but I think yes, it's because of what you're, you know, you're explaining I don't think there's any. I'm not interested in making a film about things that go, right? Because what what what is there to say about it? I mean, it's still case fines going, right? So why should I say something about it? But then, you know, all of those things you want. I find myself wanting to expose and wonder about and ask questions about is things that are not right or things that I think would maybe think are right. But I think we should question. And so I think that's how I'm driven to make the choices that I make. Is there anything that? You would be like to that. You think would be too bold to put on screeners or anything you'd be afraid to like show to an audience. I don't know. I think it all depends in context, and you know, any can be. Be too much or too little or whatever have you had any ideas for films or you've been like? Okay, wait. Now. This is something that I can't actually follow through of really because we until you actually flesh it out and have a complete thing, you probably don't really know. I think anything is worth exploring. And if you feel that it feels dry, you know, you go ahead and do it don't try to conform with anything don't try and fit in Nemi box. Just, you know, do what you feel is right for you. Just don't try imitate anything trying succeed. Because I I think only if you if you are genuine, and you do, you know, would what is true to you? And what you're interested in. That's how it can only go. Well, and that's how only you'll be content and maybe you'll find you know, whatever kind of success important for you. Finally today, I've selected a portion of a conversation with one of the world's greatest living editors Joe Walker when you take a look at the roster films these cut it's clear that I'm not making any sort of exaggeration here hunger. Sicario shame blade runner two thousand forty nine twelve years a slave widows rival all edited by Walker. This is an indispensable conversation for any director who's currently working in post production, and any editor looking to get more gigs. The episode is called think slow act fast Joe Walker on editing for Steve McQueen and uneven new here's clip. So for people who may not be able to afford the chance to screen in front of a wider audience. Is there still some value in maybe just like sitting in a room with two or three other people and watching it with them, or is that is that feeling still there when sequins during shoot, then I will cut something. I'll always always marry my assistant editors come and sit with me and watch it, and I'm interest in what she's got to say. But I'm asking also, you know, probably hopefully, not too disservice to her thoughts about it is just the process of seeing it was somebody else is different is different thing. You can feel chemically. You know when something is working, right? I mean, we, you know, I'm celebrating I loved cinema. I love the process of going to see a film with a lot of people. I remember back in the whenever it was seeing total recall with a thousand people in less disquiet. And we're all thinking the same Foale to precisely the same frame. And I I love that. That's what I'm thirsting for. Yeah. So what kind of notes do you like to receive as an editor? What are productive notes from people who have seen the movie? Well, do you mean from right off desire? Well, I mean when you look with the dreitzer, the best scenario is really when they treat you like to, you know, not to spell out the steps, but kind of give throw you a challenge and see how you attend to it because we meant have mastery of this material. I know all the takes seen all the material and sometimes drive to saying, you know, this this is too high blood pressure the scene, I need this just to be a little calm or Nita gentler version of that line. And then you know, you set about John find it and solve a problem. I need to get into the scene later. I didn't like the kind of feeling that every scene is starting with somebody coming through dole. What can we do? And it's it's you know, the smallest microcosmic part of editing is the carts and where you come from one to another. But really what's happening. What I'm trying to do is think like. Think slow act fos some fingers busy doing the kind of finding the Cup. But actually also thinking about how you'll structuring a sequence and large how you try to pay the whole film. Right. So it's really nice to have that engagement for it to be handed to give ownership of that. And so then how do you maybe like avoid a change in one sequence affecting the entire structure of the film because that's a hard balance. I feel like to maintain in the living room. Are there any tricks that you've picked up throughout your career that have been like red flags when you're making a cut that you think? Okay. We'll now this is really affected the entire like tone of the film in a negative way. It's interesting because you have to kind of. Be prepared to have a halt stone in ready drop. Maybe even the best sequencing film to make coming on. Give you a solid example on Sicario. We had the opening scene originally as written and shot was a phenomenal seem with Benicio del Toro torturing somebody to death and then giving him bringing him back from death by giving him resuscitate resuscitation only to start interrogating him. Again, it's like such a brilliant seat. And it was a heartache, but it was the biggest effect of dropping. It was empowered Emily's character. Always on the great secrets of the successive Sakaria was that you have this point and outside is viewpoint of somebody moral looking at an immoral world and discovering it piece by piece so is very important for me that she encountered Benicio we encountered issue through her rather than the filmmaker has the God saying you've been del Toro and saying, okay, he'll be. Yeah. Right. Changes the tone of the film. To start with her in the back of a van about bashing to. And it's I I mean that opening sequences incredible like to watch in just you know, throw the audience in right away. It's very, you know, with wrote to deacons at Joe's, really, it's a tough coal to sort of jettison, something that's really a great scene, but you have to kind of Steinbach and just say, look, you know, we'll see effective. It can be. How's it going to impact central character to remove it? Yeah. I mean, I had a question written down which was had you know, what to cut just such a broad question. If you could if you have an answer to that. What would it be? You know, his suppose bottom. The base levity cut boring bits. I do it's like, you know, it's it's made easy for me. I've been very blessed because the two main rights has recently shoot, very economically, Steve and any, you know, sometimes it's real full takes its single camera. So Roger deacons shoot single camera on on. Only a few times on Sakari whether it would be to cameras I don't Bladerunner to occasionally the stunt material. Of course is often covered by many cameras, but for practical reasons, but it doesn't able you to kind of. It's already kind of chunked down few. It's you know, I had the opposite extreme film for YouTube life in a day, which is four and a half thousand hours. So you know, that's a big ratio. But you know, you have into find ways of chunking it down. And and it helps that I've only got an Hoff's material to look at every day, which means I can look at everything, and I can I can respond like a I almost like a first audience member and follow my hunch as to what they wanna see in how to older to show it are there any mistakes that you see fledgling editors make time and time again that you can warn our fledgling audience to look out for I don't know. I think it's the tempts tation the obvious one is the people over and the sort of bashing around between cuts new never really I always like giving people in. Cheesy to have the feel of pace, but to give people an opportunity to kind of pair into the soul of the main characters and to to you know, I'm kind of always obsessively looking at the eyes and the dawn of is between at another at. So I won't kinda give that get that intensity. And that's the lot of tricks and hobbits make that happen. But sometimes I have a really good example was I went to the university of you'll can I had a little nasty class. And I took sequence from shame second feature film. I did Steve and Steve gave me to Schultz of. Of somebody singing. It's like New York New York sung as a slow ballad. Listen to by Michael fast, Benda's carrot too. And Carrie mulligan singing, this amazing, and but I had to Schultz and it's four and a half minutes or whatever it is in the middle of a film danger zone. There's no plot getting on there's nothing volunteering, and how do you cut these two Scholtz? So I gave him the material and we looked at twenty versions of the thing. And of course, about half of them people like a pool of sweat trying to cut between one line of the song. End reaction to Michael was. Over reacting to every of a line. And then I'm in the version, I did have one vice impo up to him at a very specific point in the in the song where she saying he's up to you New York, and she seems to be looking in his direction kinda made it look very direct approach to him. And his reaction was very surprising. And it's tells you off lot about the two characters that Kat that choice of west cards, but actually somebody, you know, really outdid me somebody he did a version with I didn't to Mike little. I was really impressed. Just we shot that is there any sort of platform that you recommend editors learn on firsthand like to what do you use it? It came up from film. So I did sixty mill thirty five then I learnt light works, which was a brilliant platform. And then moved to avid mostly because you know, the majority of of drama also caught on average just a standard gold standard. And it's very robust is particularly you've got five or six catching him soul. Looking at the same Terio? And you know, it's an industry standard. I not on the other platforms, and I haven't had too. But it you know, if it's wet string. It isn't rematch. It does if it was Scheldt on wet string. And if it's a good story. It's not really the the method. It's is the story for me. So in the same vein as the question about, you know, fledgling editors making a mistake. Are there a lot of mistakes? Or is there any sort of mistake that you see time in time again with fledgling directors that will end up hurting them in the post production process. It's hard because you've worked with such incredible directors. I really lucky. Yeah. I didn't know I think, you know, one of the problems. On. So that Tonj intially, which is when the problems have television did a lot of television where I wanted to move out of it. And one of the big reasons was people don't test the films that nobody who hasn't sat and watched the dailies or written script all produced. It is looking at you'll cut and there's no. Naive audience. If you like to watch it and few to measure it success. And I remember the frustration of that because you know, sometimes in the process he pushed to be things along, and then we're going to get that. Then not going to get that arrival. You know, we had a phenomenal. Friends and family screenings from five or six people not was really instructive, especially with the film that has a big twist knowing when did somebody get that we wanted it to be fully God. So that you feel something at the end of the film, and without really knowing where you are in that story that ending isn't as emotional as it should be. So in a we learnt a lot from hearing people just invited them to come along and bring that baseball, bats. Tell us what they thought, you know, the young directors, and I just see so degrade work all the time I count see negative. So I just see a lot of kind of new voices and interesting ways of doing things that you know. Loaned from it. Seems that one thing that you did mention earlier in in. This interview was that you respected mcqueen's ability to sort of let go of some of the things that he may have shot and almost use the edit as a nother. Script writing lay another draft of a script in a way where he like can actually like look at his movie now and make these decisions. Well, also, you know, he's I it's a place where you kind of create new material because you know, luckily on on hunger. We have the advantage that we had six weeks where Michael fast bend had to lose weight. So we're able to cut the first two thirds of the film, and it meant that we could drop a few things from the last third of the film that we get to be short and all stiff you pickup. So it was kind of very useful thing, I think there is know dry often feel ashamed or bashful about re-shoots happen. But I really celebrate them as a possibility sometimes to set something up in the story that pays off later or little story beats the mind just just going to get the scene. Let's what if it was something else. Let's try the think outside the box. So my last question for you is if you had any. Advice to aspiring editors what would it be watched? Lots of movies. There's nothing more instructive than even Babylon's of very very useful. Mean, you know? I'm always awesome. I system when they don't like film. I said, you know, if you didn't have any choice on costing all, you know, choice of music or something. What would you do this film? How would you? How would you have made it better? So even Bob one, you can come out and say, well, actually, it would have been really helpful to started this story later, all you know. Sort of cut down on this character on that. You know, got more of a sense of pace. I think it's kind of intellectual exercise. What would I do if I was stigmas movie? Absolutely. Watching it with a critical eye from an editor standpoint. While you're actually in the theater. No, really good film. Actually, I didn't think about the thing in truth. It's like neither ones that are bit creek. In some other way, I'm starting to wear all the plumbing be aware of all the plumbing. And that's maybe how you know. It's a good film because you're thinking about it. So just compelled do. That's all for this week. Stay tuned next Monday, as we continue to countdown our best moments from two thousand eighteen if you're enjoying the show police subscribe and rate us on whatever podcast platform you choose to use. 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Introducing Uncover: The Village

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Introducing Uncover: The Village

"For seven years men were vanishing from Toronto's gay village. The community always suspected a serial killer. And they were right in the new season of uncover the village host Justin Ling investigates to spates of brutal murders forty years apart. This is episode one. How can you not see this? You can hear the second half of the series right now at CBC dot CA slash uncover or wherever you're listening right now. Maybe you've seen the headlines in February two thousand nineteen Bruce MacArthur appeared in Toronto courtroom. He was sentenced to life in prison for killing eight men. Macarthur's conviction answered some questions painful questions ones that had hung over Toronto's queer community for years, but it also reopened old mysteries. Mysteries that go. Back decades to a time when being gay meant being a target to win the community had to defend itself because police wouldn't when the closet was for many just a safer choice than coming out to a time when queer people were winding up dead and their killers were getting away with it. Our story starts in two thousand eighteen. Green yard if flowerbeds. This is the section in the middle of it. They tore up last winter and Doug down a few feet took weeks. Of course, they don't call this powdery road area for nothing to ground is wrong. It's a sweltering day in August. I'm in the backyard of tucked away house on a quiet street in Toronto. Here was all green until they came two weeks ago. You can imagine the mess. That it made Karen Fraser lives here. She is an unlikely central figure in this whole story. She's showing me your garden, or at least what's left of it. England can side of this hill. I've known Karen for the better part of year. She's slight she has a head of swept back red hair big Brown eyes, and an oddly endearing sense of humor that is what kept her saying. I think throughout this whole horrifying ordeal. We have deer. Come now. Her secluded backyard slopes down to a pair of railroad tracks beyond that is a deep ravine. Eliminated. Yeah. It's a leafy hideaway in the city. It's also the perfect place to avoid being noticed. Compost pile in the corner for leaves in the fall. And apparently it had things. And then over around here, we'll have to the whole reduce data kits for the major. Just a month before investigators were here combing through her yard her garden and the wooded ravine below they sifted through the dirt and the soil one bucket at a time painstakingly looking for clues it would become the largest forensic investigation in Toronto police history. They scoured it basically scoured it all the way down, but they didn't find anything back here in the end. The dead. Basically all over the ARD cheese. We had a lot of lilies until reply Phillies. Karen is trying to help me picture her yard as it used to be. There were flowerbeds and big colorful stone planters. To daffodils along near lots of Perry. Wing coke. I like it because it starts very early in the spring. You get something all of this was designed and maintained by her faithful gardener, Bruce, and he took good care of it. It was quite lush should Bruce. How does run of Karen's backyard conscientious? Very professional very talented, very kind. Their families had known each other for years. We got a call from Bruce sister saying that her brother had just purchased a gardening business. And she said, I understand you have a double garage, and you're not using it. So simple arrangement. Sure he could store his things in our garage. If he would cut our lawn when we went away on the weekends in the summer and over the years he expanded. He decorated all pots on the property gave us things at Christmas. Yo- it just it grew. Was never social. It was just a nice working relationship. Simple. Not complicated. But it wasn't a one man job. What do you remember about the people who went the hand when he was landscaping your place? Many of them were. Obviously newcomers some were quite shy. Most we saw once sometimes just head of hair going by the window holding up to hanging baskets. We didn't actually meet him at all. I think of all the men who met the horrible fate. I know I met one I think I met a second, man. One time very shy stared at the ground, and Bruce, and I were bantering back and forth. And I could see that demand. He had with him was staring at the ground and laughing because he found it funny to second man, I really felt sorry for him. He was off to the side. And Bruce was annoyed with him said. He's just not going to work out. Since all of them appeared to be amateurs or or very new. I didn't know what this poor man had done. His clothing was not as nice as many of the other men, and I felt bad because he seemed to be really trying had no idea what he was doing and about a month later. I sent Bruce in Email and said, so how did your new man work out? He didn't respond, and it was never mentioned again. Memories of these men stick with Karen. She tells me she had forgotten their names and their faces for years. But now she can't stop thinking about them. All because of what happened on a cold day in January two thousand eighteen about ten thirty in the morning. There is a severe pounding on the door. So I came down expecting a delivery and look to the street, and I turned and two men in navy blue and one of them said, are you Karen Fraser, are you? Karen Fraser, you've got five minutes to get out. There's been a serious crime. Bruce MacArthur has been arrested. My name is Justin linked. This is uncovered the village. I'm an investigative journalist, and I've always been on the lookout for stories that have been passed over or forgotten and four years ago. I started working on a story that was both look good people. Just don't disappear cars located, but he was nowhere to be found. It's it's kind of like, I feel terrorized a string of queer men of color had gone missing from Toronto's gay village between twenty ten and twenty twelve for a time fears of a serial killer stopped the village, but the fear faded away the police closed their investigation the media moved on. Still those disappearances nagged at me. This was personal. This was my community. It started to become clear that their sexuality and their skin colour made them easier to forget easier to write off. But I never imagined where the investigation would go just how awful it would get. This is a story about missing men. Yes. But it's about so much more than that. It's a story about homophobia and violence against marginalized people. It's about a community that demanded answers and didn't get them until it was too late. Right. Toronto's gay village is only about three city blocks. The main focal point is the intersection of church street and Wellesley street. It's not hard to notice that you're in the heart of gay Toronto. There are pride flags hanging from shop windows and telephone poles. And as you walk up church street, there's a bronze statue of Dafur man with a flowing coat and a walking cane. And then there are the twenty foot tall poles. They're decked out with giant rainbow spirals and on the top is a shimmering disco ball. They're supposed to welcome everyone to the church and Wellesley village, they are incredibly Godley. The gay village has been around in one way or the other since the nineteen sixties early on. There was just a few discrete bars. And then there was the gay friendly travel agency, and then the clothing stores queer as folk a TV show that ran in the early two thousands was set in Pittsburgh, but filmed almost entirely in the church and Wellesley village. For lots of people the villages, a sort of refuge. There's plenty of village residents who were born outside of Canada. But who've adopted it as their second home, others are pats from small town candidate like me, and like, Joel. I started seeing him around the local pubs are unsure street. He kind allowed character. And so am I guess that's Joe Walker came here in two thousand eight from Anna toba, he's very vibrant person. He was constantly laughing. He's talking about his friend scanned arosh. Never everything was hilarious in life. I loved it. And for it. If I was in a bad mood. He would draw out to me and the IB fine to his friend. He was just skin to he had come to Toronto from three Lanka or he had fled a decades long civil war. He lived just outside the village and had a wide circle of friends. It is the same man. Karen Fraser, remember standing in her garden years ago? Like, so many people in the village, Joel and scandal were transplants. We started playing pool either the together or something we did it as a hobby. And I was I wish he was here to hear this giving him lessons because he sucked up first. And I'm HIV he came over very long way, very fast. I need is. Then he started being me. And it was it was like the teacher are getting beat by the student is a really good feeling. And and so like, we bonded the majorly over the games trying to funny, but is it possible? He was a shark that he just you know, tricked you into thinking there's no say, so I wish you could say so I need to hear. But no, he was not that good. And I handed it to him every time. So where would you go to kind of the same couple of pubs? What what? Definitely was our mean spot zippers was a community institution some nights. It was a piano bar others. It was a dance club. But on Sunday it was retro night. Retro night was a sort of Sunday service. It was a mix of those who came of age in the seventies and eighties dancing alongside nineteen and twenty year olds who had just come out. If you didn't get there early you'd be stuck waiting in a line that would sometimes wrap around the block, but zippers was also a place to just shoot pool of friends. There's another pool hall rate on church street than a cat. I remember for life. It's called is it the one upstairs. Yes, pegasus. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Pegasus though is still open with four large pool tables in the back and cheap pitchers of beer every night. As they spent more time together, usually playing pool Jolan scandal became increasingly close, but they never dated they worked each other's type. Me and him kind of no interested in shelter. He was into something completely different than I was. And I was too. I mean, I sure I found him attractive, but I I loved him like a brother I never ever looked at a different way scandal was tall dark and lanky. You couldn't miss him. So it was pretty unique unique style. Absolutely like, he was very fashion forward. He had a lot of jewelry. He wore jewelry on every rings on every finger multiple rings like to choose three sometimes on each finger it normally sounds away over top Gardy. But for him it worked with his nationality. I didn't see anyone dressed like him. He dressed like a part of our culture, but the part of his closer with a part of his own mix. I love fashion a great deal. And so it inspired. It always inspired me to like wind up. But I didn't have enough figures or things to do. So. He was definitely into an older gentleman. Type he had a name for them is called silver Dadis. That was his thing. He is very intrigued and attracted to them and everyone in the my ever met was fine. Except for one person was very very jealous and very very obsessive and controlling and who was that boost McArthur. So how often did you see I McArthur around? He started coming around when scandal was out later at night. He was there every time, but he never went to the normal bars when he was Bruce he mostly stayed with him. I guess at the his home or at the eagle, which was our other bars very dark. It's going nice people in there and everything like that. But it is a very good place to hide and the autonomous. And then so what was scandal? Lakewood bushes around a he was constantly to he was constantly trying to console and reassure him that things we're finding that. He was not looking at someone else in that. He was just with him at first I didn't realize what they're arguing about. But after a while it was happening so often that I I could see his face. He was almost frantic to make sure that he was okay. And Bruce was always looking like he was ready to leave and always like in service scolding type of way talking down to him. He just he always wanted to make them. Chase them all the time. So. Was jealousy. I think he was his way of control. I kind of faded from him at that point for a little while of hanging them, we still play pool not every day to honestly it actually stopped being everyday for. Well, he was with predominantly. And then all of a sudden, I did see him. But he was talking about him at the time. Like, I was with Bruce. What do you see guys kind of like when he wasn't around? I try and give them the gears about him a little bit. And he always like, oh BRUCE'S this. And he's, but you know, he's got a good heart. And he always good people. Joel was nearing his wits end despite scandals insistence Joel nude that Bruce was bad news as the weeks went on that summer scandal was around less and less. He was with Bruce. Joe made another effort to see his friend, and he showed up for a game of pool, but it quickly had to leave. I think he's not called by Bruce, and he just left really fast. And I remember thinking like this is getting worse how he's just ninety giving your crop. I remember being a little upset with actually the week or two before because he was just collecting everything that you don't be does and thinking he could he could just come back to me. 'cause I'm sick of phony him China sets things up, but he's never showing. He's never. Doing what he said he's going to do it. Just changes t- complete changed overnight. Scandal didn't show up for work on Tuesday, his friends couldn't reach him. And when they checked his apartment they found. No sign of him. He he'd gone to poppy recently, the husky. And that thing would go everywhere with them. It was like alpha his best friend. It was a beautiful dog. And the next day when came about that he was where we supposed to be all over the place for the tire day. It was brought to our attention that his wallet ID dog. We're still sitting at the house. Skinned friends. Didn't know what happened? But they knew something was off. They covered the village missing persons posters. The even searched nearby refines conversations wet shove fluff too. So you heard he wants to go off like that. And started everyone would change. I came down to the play bar. It's it's like a big O dry. Creed bar had there's a cork board downstairs of listening people at concerts and events and everything like that on there. And I saw somebody ripping his pitcher down because they didn't know. And I took their papers rip them half all of them. Put his ripped page back up there. Really really loud. And I said this is on here. It was becoming an anchor of not knowing there was just nothing to go on. And it was just like he was just picked up off this planet and taking by something we can alien abduction or something like that. Because that's how just hop. It. Just the guy was in everybody's life. And he was a major part of the seed he came through different worlds all at once at he somehow fit into all of them and. Just. Watched closer. Skinned Araj never at was seen leaving zippers on Sunday night Labor Day weekend, two thousand and ten after one of those icon ick retro nights. I was told you Slough seated Bank actually under some Bank CARA taking money out with someone else. And they couldn't tell who it was. Yeah. That's what I thought. Joel says police found security footage of scandal withdrawing money a few blocks away shortly after he left the bar. That was the last time he was seen in public. Who told you that? I think it was just France like really really close friends is out for hearing exerts for what the police were telling them. So you're anything about what they would have said about the other guy that was on the security, but they couldn't see his face even like height build it had to been hand. I guessing I mean, there would be no reason for it to be someone else. If he went missing that day that was a day. He went missing for a reason Joel says that chrome of information is all shared when you're dealing with the gay community. There's some hard feelings from what's upon a time. Forget that. I remember thinking like you just don't care because his his sexuality and whatnot. But I really I know that they had nothing for the longest time. Joel didn't have any answer says to what had happened. So we had to come up with his own explanation. I had to come to some sort of was that he had to relocate. That's where I left to auto. Vicki that's that's why would stay with that. He just is there some days going to get messages on my Facebook. And it's going to say, hey, I'm okay. A forty year old man from three Lanka vanishes from Toronto's gay village. He leaves behind his wallet. And his newly adopted poppy is left without food. He was in a controlling relationship with an older, man. It was mysterious. But it was only one case. So child's property sits dirt road, the very end just on the water. It's pretty secluded. Pretty quiet. Little. Kyle Andrews was a transplant in Toronto's gay villages. Well, he's originally from a small town in Nova Scotia. And that's where I find him. Hundred meters you will arrive at your destination when he was in Toronto. He was an activist and a familiar face on church street. Now he's living a quieter life in rural Canada. Used to go to zippers on Sundays to dance in the back and sorta hang on the other side because I was nervous about dancing until you know, good east coast boy couple running cokes and few years or shots. Something coolers, probably then and just felt like when being gay wasn't cool. It was like a camaraderie. I'm here because I want to know about Maggi K on known to everyone as Hami. Cayo and honeyed we're close very close. And then at. Either the black equal or Timothy's because we've known each other so long and. He seemed to be alone and. I thought it was tracked and said hi and over maybe a year and a half we traded phone numbers starting to hang out and whenever we'd see each other at the bar by other drink him. And I had connected because we're both Ghana in the corner. Vire cells. Honeyed had come to Toronto from Afghanistan. And even though you think Afghantistan, you don't think there was a disco scene. But there was we would be listening to the radio like chum FM would have a lot of eighties hits. And it'd be like all I knew the song. And he know all the words, but he would know the artist, and he could sing he could belt out a song quite well. And. He would play for me. Some records said he would scrounge up through, you know, friends at the kebab house Hammeed fled Kebble amid war but found refuge in Canada. When it came to Toronto, he came with his wife and kids, but within a few years honeyed realize something about himself. He was gay. Well, he had said to me that when he first started to explore who we thought he was as a gay man, he would go to openly spa, and that was kind of a mishmash of different cultures in Ganz straight. Eventually Hamad left his family, home and moved into the village. He began living his life as a gay, man. But still honeyed struggled to find peace. He came all this way to be happy. And he still hasn't happy. He couldn't come up to his family. He couldn't really be himself to everybody that he cared about. And that defected him talk about his wife and kids I actually met his daughter wants and his son, and he was very proudly. And I think it was just hard for him because he knew quite possibly they wouldn't accept him back if he was true with them. You don't think he ever told them that? He was guy. I know that they had suspected because his daughter would ask questions, and he would ask me. Well, how would I respond, and I told them? Well, that's for you to decide if it was me, I'd say this. But I've been pound in my little gay drums since I was nineteen and you were forty some years old coming onto fifty and you're from a strict religious background. And I just know that that he would feel that was impossible. Hami to spend a lot of time at the black eagle. That's probably where he met Bruce McArthur. You see Bruce? And I mean together often a few times second last time. I saw humming. He'd was with Bruce MacArthur in his apartment. And e- kind of freaked me out because we were hanging out and. News and marijuana. And we're having a little bit of good time listening to the radio and being intimate and Bruce MacArthur comes to the door, and he'd had a couple of drinks Neum. So I think he didn't expect me to pop in and Bruce was supposed to meet him later. So Bruce came in and was all upset, and he left, and I would have been upset too you show up at a at a dates house. And there's another date there. What's going on at the time? The interaction didn't mean that much. Kyle just went back to Nova Scotia that summer as he often did. But when he tried to reach Hammeed, he couldn't, and then I left him a shitty voicemail shortly after that or in the middle of the summer about how I was pissed off that he wasn't calling me back. I was kind of where he got the drugs. Kyle kept trying when he came back to Toronto that fall. He kept calling. He'd never answered the calls. Went straight voicemail. So you've been trying to call him. You know, how it happens in gay community before Facebook. It used to be a friend would die. You'd never know until you run into friends at the baron the. Oh, yeah. So and so drown or the died. HIV your cancer, they moved away or whatever. Toronto's queer community has dealt with a lot of loss. LGBTQ people. See higher rates of murder and assault. The aids epidemic wiped out thousands from the community over decades. And sometimes people just pick up and leave Kyle has experienced all of those realities, but when he came back to Toronto a few months later, he was still looking for honeyed. And eventually he found him just not where he expected. I he's walking down street, and there's this pitcher on telephone. It was a Toronto police poster in the picture I made is wearing a crisp navy suit with maroon pocket square in a matching tie his smile's crooked and his left eyebrow cocked upwards his full beard is almost entirely gray. But it wasn't just Hammad's picture on the telephone pole. Next to him is another Afghan national emigrated to Canada Abdul Basser feisty. He was known to his friends as just bass here. He was also a regular in the church street bars, which was a shock to his wife and children. That's who reported him missing. He didn't come home from work one day. He went missing in December of two thousand ten just three months after scandal disappeared. In the picture Bassey wearing traditional Afghan dress, his salt-and-pepper goatee matches his black and white tunic. He has a big grin on his face. The third photo was scandal. Scandal is smirking from underneath a tightly trimmed goatee he has a gold earring in one ear and his shirt is open at the top button. The similarities aren't possible to ignore three middle aged men all with Brown skin. All with facial hair. Above each of their faces in red block letters is the word missing. I saw the poster in I called my good friend Christian Annely what the fuck man. Why wouldn't you tell me where it was all over TV in the news? And I was living in a tent in Nova Scotia when I was there. So psyche is in some other guys, and I go serial killer. He probably. Please from fifty one division. Where can missing today hoping these posters will jog someone's memory in a strange case of three missing men, whose only connection seems to be this neighbor. Did not know each other, but they have similar appearances. And they were not. News vans, lined church street and reporters set up on the sidewalks interviewing anyone who walked by about the disappearances. It's hard to think that they're not connected somehow by something. Plenty of people saw the connection. Mita hands is one of them. She's a longtime activist and is well connected in the queer community. Mita invited me to her home. Just south of the village. She's got a wide smile, and she's impossibly friendly. Are you? We're on meet is back patio. It is so hot. I have to keep wiping sweat from my forehead. Sure. Thank you. Indian drink it cools you down like nothing else in summertime. Mita has this wonderful habit. She'll go out of her way to introduce herself to other queer people of color. She sees on the street. That's how she Mets Gandak. A friend of mine was also, oh, we were outside exchanging dog stories shopping at the market and scan the happen to be by. And when you see another Brown queer person as Brown queer person, you get really excited. My god. Look, there's one more 'cause we all know each other and recognize each other and watch out for each other. That that level of connection that's instantaneous of knowing each other's struggles. And he was luckily really like dogs. And then we started talking I had a German shepherd at the time and she really liked him. He was very good with her. He had connections to the community. He had roots here. But that's not somebody would leave. He had given up a lot to become a part of this community. Number red flag when we didn't show up. Red flags everywhere. You know, I know people I was checking in on when the third person the second person had gone missing going. This is similarity and you kind of look like that you're Brown person with the goatee and be careful be careful. And people don't just they don't get up in their apartment. They don't get up and leave their their friends. They don't get up and leave their community that they worked so hard and lost so much to form that when people go into the village it's to seek out something that is not available to them anywhere else. People don't get up in and leave all of that. Without saying goodbye is Mita. Mita Kyle so many others. They all came around to the same conclusion that something was very wrong here. Everybody who saw the posters brought up specifically the word serial killer. I remember hearing it poster serial killer poster serial killer that this is not chance. This is not a lover's quarrel gonna ride this is a pattern. This is a definitive pattern. But as the community came around to the idea that someone was targeting Brown, gay men police were still reticent initially. I think the tones were very civil asking for help asking for knowledge -ment asking for spotlight to Sean on this. Because obviously there's something going on. And when that didn't happen. I think the tone became more urgent and more animated and finally the tone became very angry of wire you not listening. If we see this is happening if everybody we know sees that this is happening. How can you not see this? Why are you not seeing this? How can you not see? This is exactly how most of the community felt it's exactly how I felt. But the police weren't seeing it or if they were they weren't saying so publicly this is officer Tony Vela speaking to queer newspaper extra in two thousand thirteen those are just the similarities between all three men. This mean, anything it's still unclear at this point. It could mean something, but at this point is still unclear the theory that's to be driving the police investigation. And the media coverage is that these men just took off maybe how meat and Basser went back to Afghanistan, even without their passports, maybe scandal skip town. Maybe nothing bad happened at all what we're looking at right now as a missing person investigation. That's what we have is foul play suspect. It's still unclear so right now a task force of officers have been assigned to the investigation the following on all different leads trying to turn exactly what's happened to the three men, and they don't even know each other. There's no evidence. This is just a even knew. So that's what's concerning here. But the key thing is urging anyone that we know who three men are if you haven't contacts police police give us a call, regardless of if you think formations relevant or not call us. Kyle did call he sat down with police to try to help solve his friend's disappearance. The first investigators did an amazing job like they didn't make me feel intimidated like I talked about sex and marijuana and booze in gay village. And they didn't bad ni- or anything you want a coffee, you they were very professional about it. And so, you know, how do you know, how well did, you know? I mean, do you know in of his family you wear you seem last what was he wearing? What did he do for work? Where do you come from? Where do you go? Where did you mean where did you spend time like a lot of questions? It was about four and a half five hours spent with them. Did you mention versus neighbor? Did you say, you know, I said that the Lhasa my talking, and then I gave a physical description I tried to look them up on the internet. And that his name was Bruce, and I didn't know. Oh, surname. I gave them not really enough details to track them down. But they had said that they had other people mention, and they even tried to leave me on like, do, you know, kind of work. Do you do like side with flowers or lawns was Arborist? So they somebody else had talked about, Bruce, but they didn't have enough juice to go. So what are the first interviews? You did they had said, oh, we know that this person's another friend of one of the other guys had mentioned, Bruce. And they didn't give me enough details. I mean, one of the other men had dated Bruce the last time I saw that's what happened with BRUCE'S there. Kyle sat in that interrogation room and gave police the name, Bruce that piece of information that name was a huge tip. Bruce, the landscaper who had dated scandal the one who had been seen with Hammeed before his disappearance that could have been the tip the cracked the case. But it didn't. the police task force set up to investigate the three men had a name project Houston as in Houston. We have a problem. A year and a half after it was started just months after Kyle sat and then tear Gatien room project. Houston was shut down. And in the village men would continue to go missing. Coming up on the village. Oh, yes. So why don't we just dive right in during the investigation. It was discovered that through was two more missing gay men that had the same church heuristic and scandal. So they had MacArthur on all trio. The village is written and produced by me, Justin linked Jennifer Fowler. And Aaron burns Cecil for nana's is our audio producer Sarah Clayton is our digital producer additional production on the sewed by David McDougal. 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A New Alzheimer's Drug Brings Hope and Controversy

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A New Alzheimer's Drug Brings Hope and Controversy

"Whoa can you introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about who you are. Okay sure my name is pam montana. I live in danville california which is in the east bay kind of near san francisco. Pam sixty six. She spent decades working as a tech executive most recently at intel. She's married with two daughters and has seven grandkids and she also loves to travel. I actually have a map behind me that you can't see but there are little pin marks on every country of vin and. I just really love to travel. I can't see the pins. Yeah yeah. That's why i mean there's way more but i really everywhere manila malaysia brazil. I mean china japan. You know i'm very happy. Upbeat person. A very strong faith around five years ago. Ham was diagnosed with early onset. Alzheimer's she. I realize something wasn't quite right at a work meeting. I remember very clearly. The first moment that i knew something was wrong and at intel. We have obviously a lot of technology. Updates it's technology company in my part of my job as a leader in the organization was to share the latest updates and on on fridays. That's when we got our updated training from corporate. And so initially. I would just grab a couple notes right. Just like some highlighted things. So that i could remember what to talk to. And then around that time i'd literally had to write down word for word what they were telling me because i like to say it wasn't sticking my brain couldn't handle it anymore. Do you remember how you felt when you were diagnosed. It was not good. I mean it was devastating. And quite frankly i thought maybe i was just going to kind of fade away pretty quickly but thankfully for me. I haven't even though. Pam still has a lot of her memory. It will continue to slip away and she's grasping for something that can helper. I need more time. That is really what all of us with this disease need. We need more time with our family with our friends with our grandchildren. I i. i've got a my youngest grandchild is one years old. His was last week and my oldest is thirteen. And i really really would like to be with them and see them graduate high school college whatever and and know them right know who they are this week. Pam and millions of others with alzheimer's got a new treatment option. The first alzheimer's drug to receive. Fda approval in nearly twenty years but this drug almost didn't get approved and some prominent doctors and scientists are saying there's very little evidence it actually works welcome to the journal our show about money business and power. I'm kate limbaugh. It's friday june eleventh coming up on the show. The fall and then the rise of the new alzheimer's drug this episode is brought to you by pampers. The number one pediatrician recommended brand of diapers. Get five dollars cashback when you download the pampers club app today and scan your first three pampers rewards codes look for pamper swatters wherever you do your shopping in the us. More than six million people are living with alzheimer's and with an ageing population. That number is expected to double by twenty fifty. The disease robs people of their memories and ability to care for themselves and scientists have struggled to find a cure. Our colleague joe walker who covers biotech says. That's because of how little we know about the disease. We don't really understand how alzheimer's works. We don't really understand all the complexity that drives this disease we know that it's multifamily to'real and we know that there's a lot of things happening that combine to give people this thing that we call alzheimer's but we don't understand it any sort of way. Are there any drugs available for alzheimer's patients. There are drugs available for alzheimer's disease and they work okay. What they do is improve your symptoms a little bit for limited periods of time but the thing is is that none of these drugs really get at the underlying causes pathology of the disease getting at the underlying cause of alzheimer's is what drugmakers have been trying to do for decades and they've mostly been pursuing one scientific theory the amyloid theory when people with alzheimer's die. Doctors find a sticky protein inside brains which is called amyloid pharma. Companies have tried to create drugs that target the substance and try to get rid of it. That's where this new drug just approved by the fda comes in it's called at helm and it's made by the drugmaker biogen but two years ago in two thousand nineteen. Things looked really different for biogen. At that time. It seemed like this drug would never see the light of day via john. Shares are tumbling this morning. This is big. News comes after the drug maker and japanese partner side discontinued late stage. Trials of an alzheimer's treatment biogen said we're stopping these trials because we looked at the data so far and the drug is not gonna work. Statistically they cannot just can't work out and it was. you know. Chalked up to eight another failure for alzheimer's and was was that kind of the nail in the coffin for their drug for all intents and purposes in the view of wall street of people in the alzheimer's community it was the now on the coffin. But then a few months later biogen said so. We looked at some new data that we didn't have at the time we cancelled these studies. And it actually looks like this drug is working. And we're going to seek approval for the drug because the data that we have now says that it's working and we think we have a good case to make to the fda regulators to get it approved. Sorry they just reverse themselves yes they they reverse course and said we were wrong before when we said that the drug wasn't going to work We were wrong for halting the study and we can now see when we look at this data under the microscope. That looks like this drug is working. That seems highly unusual. Yes so then. Biogen's submitted their data to the fda some of it from the incomplete phase. Three trials to get at your helmet proved we've had many conversations with the company over that time and why they would say this study works even though by normal scientific standards. It couldn't work because they had stopped the study early. And i think the the answer was you know not everything is black and white and you know that you have to look at the totality of the data and the totality of evidence that we have for this drug and way in mind that there are real people out there millions of people out there who could benefit from this drug and not essentially not to be like pedantic data scolds about it and to go in with an open mind and consider that the signals that these clinical trial data were showing. You really were evidence of benefit. The drug may have shown benefits but it also came with risks in the trials forty one percent of patients treated with high doses of you helm had potentially dangerous side effects but despite the side effects and the unconventional data biogen confident the drug would get approval and that came across in late two thousand nineteen when one biogen executive spoke at a conference most famously at a conference he said you know well the choice that the fda has to make here is sure they can make us go do another study. But that's gonna take five years and over those five years. There's going to be all these patients who are not going to be able to get a drug that they could get otherwise now and that was seen as being a little bit dicey just because you know companies aren't supposed to be pressuring the fda public in a way as to put their thumb on the scales at the same time biogen was facing other struggles last year. The company lost a legal battle to keep the patent on. Its top selling multiple sclerosis drug. The litigation cost biogen a big chunk of its prophets and it made the approval of adia helmet critical for the company's survival. The stakes for biogen couldn't be higher. Asthma helm is essentially a ten billion dollar year drug. Or maybe more and is thought of as sort of a savior lifeline for the company. It's it's really state so much of its reputation on the drug and getting it approved and so for biogen. It's like there's nothing more important after the break. The controversy over the fda's decision to approve this drug. This episode is brought to you by pamper swatters. Pampers believes that healthy baby skin starts with the diaper that keeps them dry and comfortable. That's why pamper swatter designed to protect the baby. Skin redesigned from the inside out new. Pamper swatters have ultra soft layers and extra protection. Where baby needs it. Most helping baby's skin stay dry and healthy. Get five dollars cashback when you download the pampers club app today and scan your first three pamper awards codes. Look for pampers swatters wherever you do your shopping moore. After biogen submitted add home for approval all eyes were on the fda as part of its deliberation process the fda testimony from people who have early onset alzheimer's. About why it was important to them that the fda approved treatment one of the people who testified was pam montana. I was on the phone. With the fda they allowed us to share our stories with them and to share our journey with them into share our hope with them and so there were about five or six of us that spoke and it was gut wrenching. I was crying. And when i was talking about my kids and then i made all these other people cry because i was crying. I mean it's you know it's an emotional topic when my when my grand children are in high school. I want to still know who they are. I don't want to have to be you know like have stickers on like that ryan and that's michael and that's you know suzie q. Or whatever i want. I want relationships. I'm extremely connected to people i need. I need that. And i need to feel the connection and so again it was really all about time and giving me a chance to you know to live the best life. I possibly could at the same time that the fda was weighing patient testimony and the data from biogen was also weighing the conclusion of an independent advisory committee. Here's joe again. So the fda advisor committee is a A group of independent experts who come from academia from private medical practice who the fda relies on to essentially act as a independent jury. They want to be independent arbiters of a question that the fda is asking itself and so in this case the fda is asking should. We approve agile home for alzheimer's disease and they hold a all day advisory committee hearing to essentially way all the evidence. And what did this committee recommend to the fda so the committee essentially says no. We don't think the stroke should be approved. We think that biogen should go back and do a phase three large clinical trial prove that it works and furthermore fda. We think that you're being a bit too sympathetic to the company's arguments here and sort of putting your your thumb on the scale a little bit in favor of biogen's argument for approving the drug. So what did the fda decide to do so monday. The fda approved it. They approved it for anyone who wants to take it essentially major news the fda today on what could be really blockbuster alzheimer's treatment from biogen what some are calling potentially the biggest drug of all time. Oh jen shares soared as much as sixty four percent after the announcement treating the fda granted. Adia helms something called an accelerated approval. It said there's enough data to show that the drug helps clear amyloid in the brain but not that it would necessarily improve a patient's condition. The fda said that while the trial data were not straightforward. It went through the findings with a fine tooth comb and decided to use accelerated approval. This process has often been used for cancer drugs. And so the us. This accelerated approval. As far as i know for the first time for an alzheimer's drug. Were they said we're approving this because it's been shown to clear amyloid from the brain and therefore it's likely to assume that getting rid of that amyloid is going to have a clinical benefit for patients right so the fda says it will clear the amyloid but not make people's dementia better. Yeah fda saying clear the amyloid which we think should help your dementia but by approving the drug. The fda went against its own advisory committee going against the advisory committee's recommendation. How often does that happen. Very rarely the fda doesn't have to follow the recommendation of these advisory committees. But they usually do. The fda's decision was especially unusual because not a single scientist on the advisory committee endorsed. The drug. Three members were so upset by the fda's decision. They resigned one of them called. The approval process a sham. Another said it was probably the worst drug approval decision in recent. us history. What would happen if this drug proves to be totally ineffective in reducing memory loss and dementia. It's a good question knowing whether or drug works or not is not an easy thing to determine. That's why you do. These controlled clinical trials where you have a placebo and objective investigators weighing the results. And so i think it's going to be difficult to actually determine whether or not this drug is helping people. Another risk is on the safety side because the drug does have some potential side effects that the fda flagged and have to be monitored with our is and these side effects to do with like little tiny brain bleeds and accumulation of fluid on the brain that you know are potentially serious and those things have to be monitored over time and if the drug is used by millions and millions of people you might start to see some of the side effects become more prominent. even though it's not yet clear that adia homeworks the price for it will be high biogen says the drug will cost an average of fifty six thousand dollars a year per patient and that will be a windfall for biogen so must be tons of questions being raised like it was about whether the fda was pushed into this for the benefit of a pharmaceutical company. Look i mean this is going to make a lot of money for biogen a lot of money for its executives for sure you know the people who work these companies are genuinely trying to bring effective drugs to people in the world and a lot of them. That is their primary motivation. And i mean they're staffed largely by doctors and scientists and the same thing is true of the fda right. I think that it thinks of itself as motivated primarily by doing. What's right for patients. And if somebody gets rich off of it than that. That's just a An unintended consequence of their of their regulatory function. What does this mean for living with alzheimer's for treating alzheimer's in means that you know potentially billions of people in this country. Maybe other countries soon enough have a decision to make about whether they want to try this drug. You hear this for people all the time right like i am in a terrible situation where i'm willing to take whatever risk i need to take to stop that from happening. And i don't need you re regulator. I don't need you to tell me what risk i'm willing to take because i'm willing to take it. And that's a powerful. That's powerful argument. What does the fda approval of this drug mean for your life. Well i mean the the biggest thing that you know everyone is saying. And i'm sure you would agree is it's really. It's all about hope. And knowing there's data that shows that hopefully it will slow down my progression. And so if i could be in the same place i am right now for the rest of my life. I mean that's unbelievable. I mean that's beyond anything i would have ever wished or known about. So i'm i'm all in. I don't care how much it cost. you know. I've been saving money and working on these big companies and make a boatload of money. You know what would i rather do it on. I've already traveled the world. This is my life. This is my this is. This is everything but this drug is not perfect. It has some health risks. It has a high price tag. The data in some ways is not necessarily clear. Why is it worth it. I don't have anything else to lean on. I mean what else do i have. And so why not. I mean minute die anyway. Everyone's going to die. But if i could keep my cognition the way it is right now or even just a maybe. A tiny bit declined. I would be thrilled. There was some skepticism initially but quite frankly now that the decisions been made. That's all like i don't care anymore. I don't care anymore. I'm not gonna feel bad that everybody is happy about it. You know. I'm happy about it my family's happy about it. There's nothing else out there. So what the hell wouldn't have to lose pam. Thank you so much yeah. I just can't wait to see what's next that's offered today. 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The Race to Cure Coronavirus

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15:58 min | 1 year ago

The Race to Cure Coronavirus

"As the world fights the corona virus one of the things that makes it. So scary is there is no vaccine. There's no shot or pill that will prevent you from getting it. Scientists are rushing to develop a vaccine. But it could take them a year or more before it's ready and in any case vaccine wouldn't help people who are already infected. So what about those people who are already sick right now? There aren't any drug specifically designed to cure them but a handful of pharmaceutical companies are trying to change that and for them. The pressure is on these people understand that the world is discounting on them and that it's their moment right to play a role in history if they can today on the show the race. Spur CORONA VIRUS CURE. Welcome to the Journal. Our show about money businesses power. I'm Caitlyn Bob and I'm Ryan Kanoute Sin. It's Monday march sixteenth when the world faces the potential of a deadly new disease. Sars murs a Bola people look to the pharmaceutical industry to try and come up with a cure. Fast Company's number companies will always try to develop axioms develop antivirals Joe Walker covers. The pharmaceutical industry and says the economics of developing a new drug or risky especially. If they can't come up with one fast enough what ends up happening is that sometimes the operate soul dies down within six months or so and by the time anybody has a drug that might be able to work the viruses gone all the media and political attention from Washington has gone and companies are Kinda like left holding. You know basically something that nobody wants cares about anymore. Even if a drug company does come up with the cure quickly enough people would only take it once and hopefully never again which means for drug companies it may not be very lucrative but that doesn't mean companies aren't trying some still are especially ones that have done work on diseases that are similar to this corona virus for scientists at the companies. That are trying. It's a big deal this is you know they're super bowl. It's like you know we got to do everything we can to try to help. Companies that have experience and expertise in viruses and antiviral. Therapy will typically respond pretty quickly. They have scientists researchers looking into what they can do what those researchers are focused on now are two different types of treatment. I are drugs that would treat the symptoms of covert nineteen the disease caused by corona virus. The second are drugs that attack the virus itself. Let's start with the efforts to find drugs that treat the symptoms. This doesn't necessarily require developing brand new drugs. Mostly it involves looking at existing drugs drugs which were actually approved for other things to see if they could help with covert nineteen. Look when when you have an outbreak like this and there's no approved drugs the viruses sort of poorly understood. What happens is they sort of? Throw the kitchen sink right at the disease and try to treat it with whatever they think might work. That's exactly what doctors did in China. And they found something. The did seem to help the symptoms in an arthritis drug callback. Timra the doctors in China they treat some patients with this drug act camera from Genentech and show some pretty good results. They put out a paper and Chinese about this. Chinese paper caught the attention of pharmaceutical executives in New York at a company called regeneration regeneration and another drug companies Sanofi making arthritis drug. That's similar to act TAMRA and the results in the Chinese paper caught their attention because they appeared very promising. When I was talking with regenerates chief scientific officer. He was talking about the the results from this Chinese study of activity which is a rivals drug and just noted that the results were really remarkable. That some of the patients you know appear to be on death's door and then walked out of the hospital some some days later. It's a pretty stark way to put it. Though in his words that they were essentially on death's door and then and then they're walking out of the hospital feeling better than those people are on death store and get a truck and many more years. The promising results in the Chinese paper made regeneration executives. Think that maybe there arthritis drug which is called Zara could also help patients infected by the corona virus and the reason why arthritis drug could potentially help is because it could address side effect that some experience when they're infected their immune system overreacts in some cases with patients are hospitalized. Researchers have observed that the amount of virus in their body is relatively low so it looks like their immune system is doing an okay job getting rid of the virus but there's still in very bad shape physically and their health is still really bad and that's because their immune response is way way up. It's not even so much the virus at that point. That's really killing them. It's their immune system. Just hyper overdrive. The idea is that a drug that could calm the patient's own immune response which is what this drug does for. Arthritis could actually give the patient a better chance to fight off. Covert nineteen so while. It's not a cure in theory. It could help regenerate said today that it launched a trial in New York that hopes to enroll four hundred people with Kovic nineteen. The company says it wants to move quickly with the aim of helping patients in the current pandemic so treating the symptoms is one thing but what about finding drugs that actually attack the virus itself? Those drugs are called antivirals. Antivirals or antibody therapies. Kill the virus and people who are already infected we have antivirals for things like HIV and Hepatitis C. Right and different viruses and those are things where would they do is any barrels? Find a way to interfere with the viruses. Replication INSIDE THE BODY. So it was viruses inside you invading your cells. And then it's reproducing itself innovating more and more and more cells until eventually just sort of overwhelmed your your whole system your immune system so by stopping the replication. The antivirals weaken the virus. And then eventually you know you clear it out of your system. Antiviral drugs might have another advantage. Not only can they help people who are already infected they can also work prophylactically by which we mean. They prevent you from getting the disease in the first place. It's not quite a vaccine because it doesn't last all that long but the idea is that if you're a physician a nurse right other people on the front line working with patients all day that you might be able to take one of these antibodies and we'll give you some level of protection against the virus. One of these antiviral. Drugs is already in human trials including with patients in the US. That's after the break in the eighties. People were convinced that kids were being abused by Satanic Cults Hiding in plain sight daycare workers parents in neighbors were sent to prison for unspeakable crimes. They were not only convicted of that. They did not do but they were convicted for something that did not happen from Gimblett conviction. American panic is our now follow and listen for free on spotify welcome back. Researchers are currently working on a drug that could potentially cure people who have been affected by the krona virus. It's called Rim desert here. It's an antiviral drug and it works by directly attacking the virus in preventing it from multiplying. It's made by a company called Gilead. Sciences Rim desert is much further ahead than other anti-viral drugs. And that's because Gilead started working on it way before. The Corona virus outbreak began if you wanted to create from scratch today for the new corona virus it would take years to do Gilead in conjunction with academic researchers who've been studying or in other corona viruses like murders and like the SARS outbreak and actually seeing activity. That might work against it. Gilead started working on it years ago for the very reason Joe said working on these drugs. It's such a big risk Gilead. Wanted to be ready in case of a future outbreak. Just like this one so that their drug could get to patients before the outbreak died down on its own. They just happened to be right place right time. Oh Wow this is corona virus a while we have this drug that's worked against previous viruses. Maybe it'll work in this one. All the pieces were there for them to like. Okay let's make the decision. Let's ramp manufacturing. Let's start studying this thing. The Chinese want study it. Let's make some of it and we'll ship to them the NIH and American wants to study it. Okay let's manufacturer give it to them and it has all those pieces to do it very very quickly. The only question now is whether it works. We might get to know the answer to that question very soon. Doctors have started rim desert trials on Corona virus patients. Some of those patients are based in China. Because until recently that's where most of the cases were but now as the viruses spread worldwide patients have been enrolled in other parts of the world to including in the United States. We talked to the Doctor. Who's overseeing the US part of the trial? His name is Dr Andrea Khalil Specializes in infectious disease at the University of Nebraska and he has a lot of experience working on deadly outbreaks. He says that when an outbreak happens the pressure is on to start running trials as fast as possible. Believe me if you don't do this. The outbreak comes goals. And we're GONNA find no no treatments no vaccines and then next year. You get another outbreak and so by the way we don't have any therapy for new vaccines. We don't have the leisure because it's still early. In the outbreak Dr Khalil. Only has eight patients enrolled in the US trial so far each patient in the trial gets an IV infusion of either Rendez Aveer or a placebo for thirty minutes a day for up to ten days. Meanwhile researchers monitor the patients to see what happens. If the breathing's improving cops improvements uber's improving let's I thought stance we WANNA prove. I'm really hoping that this medication will make a difference. So I know that there's only eight patients who said at the moment in the United States but is there any sense yet about whether or not the results of this trial looked promising? I know we're hopeful but you know without the first one hundred patients. It's a number. That's really is not big enough to make sense if the conclusions. How important are these treatments that you're researching and other treatments? That are being researched. How important is that in the grand scheme of how the world responds to an outbreak? Like this in the grand scheme of things. The priority is to prevent the spread of infection can slow the spread of the virus. You'RE GONNA slow the amount of people are GonNA get infected. AiN'T GONNA slow the amount of we're going to die the virus that's ingrained skin. This is the goal number one but there are several priorities one is to prevent these spreads but at the same time you wanNA prevent death one desi so much. Are you worried about getting sick yourself? I'm not worried at all. It's just the when I've seen patients with Ebola. That's a disease. Where the incredibly high morale at the time was about eighty nine percent mortality. Wow Yeah that was a bola and you know just to have a sense of you. Know the difference from what they're saying if you're worried about yourself. Economic his job man. The first results from the Rim desert trials are expected soon. Joe Says we have data from the trials in China as soon as April. Just a few weeks from now what happens next will depend on what the results say. How well do the drug work? Who did work in you know to help? Elderly PATIENTS MORE THAN MIDDLE. Age Patients Right Does it only help people with severe disease or does it also help people with moderates his and then people are going to analyze that and say and figure out what to do next normally it would still take many months and probably many more rounds of trials for a drug like Rim desert to get approved but in the current climate with current virus cases mounting each day. Joe says that the US government could decide to speed up the next steps. You just can't emphasize enough right like how abnormal the situation. We're in right now is and so. It's very hard to predict because you know the normal rules don't necessarily apply as a society. Can we afford to wait for the pharmaceutical industry to come in and save us? You don't have any choice. There's an increasing focus on. Let's contain this outbreak. Let's contain the number of people that get the virus at any one time so that we can buy time for our society we can buy time for hospitals and physicians right to prepare and be able to take care of patients and not be just completely overwhelmed and overtaken by a flood of infected patients and also to buy time for a drug to come out that can help people and I think you know. There's just a lot riding on this right every day. There's like more writing on it for everybody on Monday afternoon. President Trump held a press conference at the White House. And glad to see that. You're practicing social distancing. That looks very tough. It's very good Want to thank everybody for being here today. He answered questions about what companies were doing to produce a cure for corona virus and the disease that Causes Kovic Nineteen Los. We're also racing to develop antiviral therapies and other treatments. And we've had some promising results early results promising to reduce the severity and the duration of the sender of the symptoms. And I have to say that Our government is prepared to do whatever it takes whatever it takes. We're doing what we're doing it. In every way and public health officials around him also issued new warnings they announced a new set of recommendations for all including to avoid gatherings of more than ten people and to avoid restaurants bars and food courts. The guidelines are aimed at slowing the spread of the virus. That's all for today. Monday March Sixteenth Journal is a CO production of Gimblett and the Wall Street Journal. If you like the show follows on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts route. Every weekday afternoon. Thanks for listening sue tomorrow.

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Why China Is Using A.I. in Its Classrooms

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13:16 min | 1 year ago

Why China Is Using A.I. in Its Classrooms

"Wall Street Journal listeners come from all walks of life and business and no matter what type of business urine eighty P is here to help you achieve what you're working king for with. HR talent time benefits and payroll informed by data and designed for people learn more at design done eighty P dot com. A growing number of classrooms in China are equipped with artificial intelligence cameras and brainwave trackers. We take you inside one so depending adding on how attentive you are. A displaced different colors like rant stands for being really focused and blue means. You're inattentive and as concerns about beeping grow the market for illicit products is flourishing online the problem here. Is that when you have a product out there being sold online. You don't really know what's in it or where it comes from plus. Mark Zuckerberg takes a trip to the White House. This is what's news from the Wall Street Journal on Kim Gittleson. Let's get started now before we take a closer look at the technology and China's classrooms and what it means for the future of education. Here's what you missed and yesterday's raise. After noon. Show we looked at the growing number of vaping related illnesses over five hundred now and a new federal probe into the supply chain now this this morning we've got an exclusive report we found that even as concerns about the health hazards of vaping grow there is a robust market for illicit. They products online line. Here's Daniele Hernandez with more so I was able to find examples of these things on Amazon on facebook on Instagram Ram in Arlington. So products that are on there are real. They really have a arrange their empty cartridges things that you would go in a vape pen or vaporizer advisor as well as filled cartridges themselves and so the problem here is that when you have a product out there being sold online you don't really know what's what's in it or where it comes from and so there's concern among medical professionals that when kids or adults are buying these products that they're then inhaling in potentially really toxic dangerous substances so why are these products allowed to persist on the Internet. Here's Daniela again. It's a numbers game mm-hmm and so tech companies are doing their best. They say to police the content. Take down as fast as possible but it's just as easy and fast upload something something a new and so this is a cliche but it's been described as a whack a mole game. We should add here that the Centers for disease control have warned against buying such products all of the tech companies. He's on whose platforms we found. The products told us their guidelines prohibit buying or selling drugs on their platforms. You can read the full article up on our website and we've conducted inducted a new analysis of the types of high dose opioid pills that were sold at the height of the crisis and we found that even though purdue Pharma made up only ten percent of the pills sold sold during the period. It's from two thousand six to twenty twelve when you take into account the dosage of the pels they sold more than a quarter. Here's Joe Walker with the explanation. The Nation Oxycontin is a extended release form of Oxycodone Tony opioid painkiller and so a big part of produce marketing strategy was does you know these pills will last for twelve hours as opposed to four hours and so the company had several different dosage strength formulations relations from ten up to during the period we looked at eighty milligrams and so you know would they would say the doctors as we have all these variety of strengths and that it helps you to give your patient the right dose. That's just right for them but for a while there's very high-dose pills were also very popular on the black market but did purdue have to say about report. Here's Joe again purdue took issue with only looking at oxycodones and suggested that that made their market share look bigger than it really was purdue was aware that the higher dose of pills were more prone to abuse and diversion and to their credit use that information chew flag suspicious orders and and the like just a reminder purdue filed for bankruptcy this week as part of a broader deal with some of these states and thousands of cities is that are suing the company over its role in the opioid crisis and Mark Zuckerberg went to Washington yesterday at the White House he met with President Trump Jared Kushner in the White House's says social media director the president later tweeted a photo and said it was a nice meeting but Zuckerberg received eight chillier reception on Capitol Hill lawmakers on makers. There grilled him on facebook. What's up and Instagram a facebook spokesperson said that he went to Washington to quote here their concerns and talk about future Internet regulation the trip calms facebook is facing a federal antitrust probe move now our main story this morning and this one really does sound like something from a science fiction movie we were given exclusive access into one of a growing number of classrooms in China that are using artificial intelligence and brainwave trackers to find out more. I rang up crystal tie in Hong Kong so crystal Mr. Oh tell me more about what you saw when you visited these classrooms so we went to the school near Shanghai and and the school started in really interesting way so this kids put on a bring wave sensing have been on these kids put on brainwave sensing hamp band which is supposed to record the brainwave activity of his user and so depending on how attentive you are displaced different colors colors like rant stands for being really focused and blue means. You're inattentive was really interesting. Is that some teachers can't know Abou. Wow this neuro data in real time so even when students were doing some math problems that can call the students who were not op pant tension on the spot. Oh my God that's my nightmare. It is yeah I mean. I didn't have this kind of thing when I was a kid. No definitely definitely not so. I mean how do how do kids today. React to that technology. I would've been a terrible user of this. But how did the kids that you saw react. I asked him how to feel about wearing them and they say that they had a hard time adapting to justifies on their heads because the fell like oh it was a extra pressure around their head and know how to adjusted properly and it seems that whether they like it or not it really depends on what type of students they are so the motto students that I talked to they had always been getting good grades and wearing this hat bands just give them the kind of and knowledge men that there the attentive students when the band's showed that they have the light that they are really attentive and they you were quite the advocates of this happens but then I also talked to some some students who struggle with be more attentive in the class and the seems to have this extra pressure when the parents now essentially have this report in their hand every every week that can see how good their students are doing the class in terms of attention and the students who didn't do so well. They seem to feel that this is like some defies it gives him the extra pressure. Yeah I can imagine I mean. Do all parents like the technology. Well surprisingly actually really most of the parents we talked to. They really liked its tag and the reason being is that in China a lot of parents they seem to be really great obsessed best and when the school started introducing this tag to them they say that this is the kind of defies that your kids have the wear because the great screw up their concentration level's up and these studies better so if they wear these headbands immune said their grades improve and the parents by it I mean will their grades improve if they wear these headbands. How tested is the technology. We spoke to neuroscientist test and he was quite shocked to find out that these taxes being used on children in the classroom. is usually used in hospitals elapse. I mean are there any privacy concerns with this technology with this data. That's being gathered about quite young children right so these are really small children so in this particular case we as a school and they say that the data use for improving the student's attention span's ever teachers to improve their lesson plans only and the data should be shouldn't be the data shouldn't be disclosed to third party but then some other companies that we talked to it seems that they have this general awareness these data it's important portent but not much is being used to protect them. You can watch crystals truly eye opening video from inside those classrooms up on WSJ DOT COM. You're invited to travel the world and discover what it means to live the intercontinental life with more than two hundred had properties worldwide intercontinental hotels and resorts welcomes you to iconic properties in global destinations including New York London and Shanghai discover cover more about these cities and the tails inspire with stories of the intercontinental life a collection of stories that will excite your curiosity and offer new perspectives on the world world here more at intercontinental dot com forward slash life on two markets. We're going to focus on one company whose shares have been on a wild ride this week. Fedex the company's shares plummeted after Fedex reported disappointing earnings and a weaker than expected outlook and and it's that outlook that investors are really paying attention to here's Anna Isaac with more yes so it's it's been rough. Ride for Fedex is share price this week but what's more important for the Whiter investor community is the transport and it just takes companies like Fedex can be an important bellwether of where where in the business cycle cool so it comes down to what's called the Dow theory. which is this idea that those logistics firms those funds transporting goods can give a sense of things like consumer demand whether or not consumption has peaked that sort of thing economists and investors pay close attention to them? Fedex being one of the more major ones. Obviously I means that. It's especially important when we're looking at that idea there's also signs that you know the chief executive said that he felt that the trade tensions engines with China had also weighed on their performances accompany and things like that and so the reason we're paying such close attention to it is it's that sign as to whether or not these trade tensions might be spilling out into the white recording me but was whether or not this. August the whole transport sector is whole falling into something close to recession so shrinking and therefore warning so you know it's it's might be slow growth from heroin and here's what else were paying attention to today gun maker. Colts said it would stop producing semiautomatic rifles for civilians. The company cited a glut in the market it said it would continue to manufacture the AR fifteen rifles for military and law enforcement agencies. Ar Fifteen style rifles have been used in some of the country's most deadly mass shootings including those in Las Vegas and Parkland and a new study has found that the bird population North America is plunging since nineteen seventy. The total population of birds has dropped by twenty nine percent. Here's a scary stat for you. There are about three billion fewer birds. Now the nearly fifty years ago while the reasons for the decline are hard to pinpoint generally speaking researchers attributed to the broader impact of climate change deforestation Russian and shifts and agricultural practices. Finally it's Friday so you might be tired. I know I am and tempted to squeeze in a nap at work mark. If you're in Japan you're in luck companies. They're like Mitsubishi are beginning to set aside a dedicated sleep rooms. The only problem Japanese workers are refusing fusing to take the bait. They're worried they'll be seen as slacking off if they schedule an APP. That's why some corporate leaders are trying to take to the rooms to encourage employees to get at some rest. That's something we also hope that yoga this weekend. That's what's news from the Wall Street Journal. Thanks for listening they.

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Good Morning Niner Empire 11/24/2020

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02:03 min | 7 months ago

Good Morning Niner Empire 11/24/2020

"Hey this is jamie fernando. v radios. Good morning manner empire. Let me tell you about our sponsor graphics munger they're keeping your bris going extinct. Turn your idea into reality with graphic design team the your source for custom logo designs apparel decals and more don't want any longer and co graphics munger at three six zero four six zero eight five to six or on facebook confront find him at graphics munger also if you mentioned ninety five radio you'll get a ten percent discount. Thanks let's get back to the show. Good morning empire. My name is jamie today so remember. Twenty four th two thousand twenty. Let's get forty niner news. Here's an updated covid. Nineteen list from the forty. Niners from nbc. Sports bay area currently on the covid list are eric are said devante kinlaw. Dj jones jordan willis trent williams brandon euch joe walker daniel home and horace grant sue. These players as of today are on the covid nineteen reserve list also. The team has waived linebacker kiko alonzo when they who they obtained from the saints when they traded alexander to the saints the team has also waived tack mckinley who they obtained. There's also finally catava street who has a controversial hit on drew. Brees was not fined for his last game in. That is a refrigerator news. Please hold our main show nine if radio on youtube and wherever you get your podcast also check out manager for radio dot com such shop for adventure merch and some new merck destruct. The said it's always remained faithful.

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Inside the High-Stakes Race to Cure the Coronavirus

WSJ What's News

09:57 min | 1 year ago

Inside the High-Stakes Race to Cure the Coronavirus

"Social distancing slows the spread of corona virus. So stay a minimum of six feet away from others and stay home if you can more info at Corona Virus Dot Gov. Let's all do our part because we're all Hashtag alone together brought to you by the Ad Council inside the race to create vaccines and treatments for the corona virus. There's really no precedent for this researchers trying to move faster than ever before plus why global stocks are rallying the idea of guessing those lockdowns over getting back to some form of slightly more normal economic activities. Very much on people's minds. It's Tuesday April seventh. I'm Mark Garrison with the Wall Street Journal and this is what's news. Primary voters in Wisconsin head to the polls today though only after a twisty court battle over whether to postpone because of the pandemic. The state's governor ordered the election rescheduled to June ninth. But the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled against him also the. Us Supreme Court ruled against Democrats who want to extend absentee balloting. Both courts have conservative. Majorities Wisconsin Governor. Tony Evers is a Democrat president trump and former vice president. Joe Biden spoke by phone yesterday about the government's response to the pandemic. Both sides agreed not to say much about the short call and said it was a fairly nice chat. President trump was among world leaders sending best wishes to British prime minister. Boris Johnson after his Cova nineteen symptoms. Got Worse. We're very saddened to hear that. He was taken into intensive care this afternoon. Little while ago and Americans are all praying for his recovery. It's been a really good friend who's been really something very special. Strong resolute doesn't quit. Doesn't give up talk to Anthony. Fauci says he's encouraged by what he's seeing has lockdown order spread. He said yesterday. There's a possibility there will be fewer than the one hundred thousand. American deaths forecasters predict it. There are around eleven thousand so far more fallout from the firing of us. Navy Aircraft Carrier Commander. Who wrote superiors asking for help with a corona virus outbreak on board acting Navy secretary? Thomas mody apologized for profane remarks over the loudspeakers of the USS Theodore Roosevelt. Mostly said he was sorry for the tone and did not think Captain Brett Crozier was naive or stupid but he did not take back the decision to remove him. The apology follows president trump describing. Modi's word choice as rough and saying he may get personally involved. President Trump says the government will bind. Nearly one hundred sixty seven million masks from three m. The president had criticized the company's manufacturing efforts of the CEO told us the company was doing everything possible to increase production which doubled in recent months coming up. Many investors are jumping back into the stock market global markets followed. Us stocks higher overnight. Asian shares largely closed up with European stocks. Opening higher markets columnist. Mike Byrd explains why some investors are now buying stocks. Globally are now quite a long way from the lows that was set in late. March when people are really really panicking about the economic impact of the various lockdown policies. Going in around the world. So you've seen quite a rally since then and it's mostly based on a sort of perception that things are improving you've seen in the real hot spot areas in Italy in New York Looks like Hey Sambas and deaths starting to peak starting to stole maybe even in some places starting to decline the idea of getting those lockdowns over getting back to some form of slightly more normal economic activities very much on people's minds and that's really what's leading stocks higher. It isn't a lot more complicated. The Knight you've also you see. Japanese stocks higher Chinese stocks higher. It's really sort of global rally based on not as slightly. That's risky outlook. Airbnb is raising a billion dollars from investors as it works through the hit to the global travel business from the Pandemic Journal. Tech reporter Parmi Olsen explains how the company faces a special challenge from the corona virus. This is a company that was built on the notion of sharing your assets with other people and yet now the world is being told not to go near other people or their things. We're supposed to self isolate so one. Venture capitalist recently told me that even after the virus it's possible that people might want to shift their spending back towards hotels instead of shared homes. Because they might feel just a little bit more assured that hotels have more stringent processes on things. Like cleaning and. Keeping the place hygienic again. We don't know how long the virus will be around for. After a short break we will go inside the relentless race to stop the corona virus. Happening now in labs filing taxes navigate taxis and with the Wall Street Journal's Your Money Twenty Twenty tax guide compiled by our trusted reporters and editors this e book covers. What the recent tax changes mean for you your company and the country. Wsj members can download now debbie plus dot com slash tax. Twenty twenty right now. Men and women in white coats around the world are doing everything they can to find vaccines and treatments. For the corona virus. There are more than one hundred forty efforts in progress inside universities. Drug companies and government labs. They're trying to do work. That can take months or years in a matter of weeks or days but the virus can move much faster journal Biotech reporter Joe Walker spoke with our Charlie Turner about the high stakes race to stop the Pandemic Joe. Give us a sense of the scope of the clinical response to the covert nineteen disease. Has there ever been anything like this before so I think you know in so many ways? There's really no precedent for this right as we all know as we're all living through it but I think in the past what you would see with eighteen or the first SARS outbreak H One n one. Another corona virus called. Moore's that you know you would see companies and and researchers who had experience within this disease area Start Research programs and then you know over time though those viruses tended to sort of recede or or die out of their own volition Sort of faster than anybody could could really come up with anything useful and so the research just started died out I think from what we can see now. It appears that it'll be different this time famous last words will give us a breakdown of the different ways that researchers are trying to attack the problem. Yes so okay so I is vaccines right. That's the thing that would be the best way. We want something where everybody can take it. And hopefully prevent all most of the population from getting the virus. To begin with. Then you have efforts to find treatments to clear the infection or clear the virus and people who already have it so in that breaks down to two right so the first is Repurposing drugs that are already invented already on the shelves or already on the market and trying to see if those can be useful here and then the other one is to invent new drugs from scratch taking what we know about this virus the way it's molecular makeup and so on and designing new drugs to treat it talk about where we are on various projects have any milestones been achieved. Look just with the caveat that anybody trying to predict when a drug will work come on the market. Is You know Speculating it's really hard to know at this point but on the drug front. There's a drug from Gilead. Sciences called Rim Desa Vir. Which showed you know at least some promising activity in animal studies and matador reports as well. We're expecting data from two Chinese studies this month. And so I think depending on what those look like you can see some movement there. I hesitate to say when that drug would get approved if it was successful in those trials. And that's the thing that's nearest term. And then we have some of these drugs that are being Invented from scratch and those are supposed to start clinical trials early summer at least one of them from Jenner on. What sort of timeline? Researchers giving you on having a new drug or vaccine on the market so the timelines usually here are six months to a year for drugs and then for vaccines maybe twelve to eighteen months to how something and those are really sort of best case scenarios. I think Wall Street Journal reporter Joe Walker. Thanks a lot. Thank you finally. Some American drivers are getting a surprise refunds from their car insurance company ALLSTATE and American family. Mutual insurance are returning hundreds of millions of dollars to their customers with Americans locked down in their homes. Car accidents have cratered so these companies decided to take the money they would have paid to settle claims and give it to customers. Allstate says miles driven have dropped as much as fifty percent since mid-march. We are here to answer your questions about the corona virus pandemic call three one five nine nine two eight two nine eight. Leave your question on our voicemail. We'll have our reporters and experts get you answers and that is what's news for this morning. We'll be back with another updated podcast this evening and we'll keep covering the pandemic and many other stories on wsj.com and our APP. I'm Mark Garrison with the Wall Street Journal. Thanks for listening.

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351: Klienci dzwoni, a ty nie moesz rozmawia?

Mala Wielka Firma

20:24 min | 3 months ago

351: Klienci dzwoni, a ty nie moesz rozmawia?

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Stats & Eggs, 11/20: The 49ers top 5 free agent priorities

Niners Nation

05:22 min | 7 months ago

Stats & Eggs, 11/20: The 49ers top 5 free agent priorities

"Today answers matter more than ever before. That's why ibm is helping. Businesses manage customer. Questions with watson assistant. It's conversational ai. Designed to work for any industry. Let's put smart to work visit. Ibm dot com slash watson assistant. Good morning i'm rob stats guerrero. Today is friday november twentieth twenty twenty. Here's what's happening with your san francisco. Forty niners there wasn't much news yesterday. Considering the team is on a bi week but the forty niners did announce that center her own. Grasu an linebacker. Joe walker were joining eric. Armstead and javon kinlaw on the reserve covid. Nineteen list the niners have just forty five players on their fifty three man roster right now but that number shooting crease has guys come off the cova list as well is injured reserve. Okay i wanna move on to something else. I saw today from matt barrows of the athletic. He ranked the top five priorities. When it comes to the forty niners. Free agents i. I'll give you his list. And then i will give you my thoughts number one trent williams and to me. This is a must sign. The problem is williams knows it. So he's not going to be cheap but he's one of the few guys on this forty niners team that isn't going to be affected by any of the uncertainty around the quarterback situation regardless of who starts next year. It's rookie if it's a veteran they're gonna need an anchor on the left side of the line to protect him so he's gonna get paid. Regardless of what happens elsewhere number two jason garrett and this is one of many spots where things get dicey really fast for the niners. He has shown that when healthy he can be a lockdown quarterback in this league but his injury. History is like a surgeon's greatest hits list and if this season has taught us anything anything that the forty niners half to get away from towns at players who are chronically hurt. There have been too many of those guys that they've depended on that. Obviously having come through for them as we've seen this year as good as jason variety is. I don't know how much you can invest in him in the future number three. Dj jones. he may be worth more the niners in this role than he would be to another team. But there is definitely a place for jones next year on the niners. You don't need a superstar at every spot but you can do a hell of a lot worse than him on your second unit and occasionally may be filling in for an injured starter for a few weeks. He's not flashy but he just gets the job. Done number four on the list is one of my favorite players on the forty niners. And that's kyle us check. I love kyle use check. But i don't know if he's going to be back next year to me. He's like heated seats in a new car or a first class plane tickets somewhere. If you've got the extra money awesome go for it man but if there are any money issues at all those are the first things to go and i love juice because of the versatility. But he's just not worth the money he's making to me. I would make him take it or leave it offer and just live with the consequences. Whatever happens number five is kerry hyder. He's been the unexpected best defensive lineman on the team this year. He's exceeded expectations for playing time and production. He might be priced out of the forty niners plans because he's had that good of a season but if they could somehow get him back that would be an incredible asset. he would anchor. The second wave of defensive lineman the forty niners like to call it the bravo team. He would be the anchor there if he is on your second offensive line. You know your team is loaded at that spot. We always give you something to read something to watch and something you might have missed her to give you one thing to read. Well let's go for another one on this friday. How about something positive for change eric. Branch of the san francisco chronicle wrote a story about five positive things from the teams foreign six start. And couldn't we all use a little more positive in our lives something to watch. Oh grant cone of sports illustrated tweeted a super cut of all the times. Mike mcglinchey has gotten blown up this season which he called mike mcglinchey signature plays of twenty twenty. It's three minutes long. That would be funny. If it wasn't so sat something. You may have missed. This isn't forty niners related. But i thought it was worth sharing anyway. Cowboy's quarterback andy dalton. You may remember was knocked out of a game in october when he was concussed on a dirty hit from john kasich of the washington football team now as a result of that concussion dalton suffered from headaches and memory loss which is obviously bad but a week after that he tested positive for covid nineteen n has completely lost his sense of smell and taste. He's off dacoven list now but as he put it quote. We're still trying to get those back that's going to do it for this edition of stats and eggs. Please subscribe to our niners nation. Podcast network to get this show and every show we produced since the niners are on a by this week. I'm going to do a different podcast today all about the week. Eleven betting lines. And i'm not going to do it alone. Joined by matt mcewen of sports betting dime. He's gonna help me break it down and hopefully you some money this week. I'm rob stats on monday.

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S1E103: The Shawn Harvey Morning Show 03/10/20 | King Artiis

The Shawn Harvey Morning Show Podcast

2:14:23 hr | 1 year ago

S1E103: The Shawn Harvey Morning Show 03/10/20 | King Artiis

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I think is absolutely normal right. You have to talk to yourself. Those sure that I know I do too. I do. I talked to myself all the time and I will talk to myself in front of somebody while I'm talking to myself. Why did I just do it out loud? I'll do it in my head. I think it's worth because I like zone out. Am I end up talking to myself as someone knows that I'm talking to myself? I don't stop. I continue to talk to myself. I was talking to me. I'm talking to me and so that's it right so in the wrap this all represented in the community. Hard value is not of major platform with definitely artist. So where do that today like congregate I hang up? I Wanna be able to tell me a couple of years ago. Almost a bargain center rock workshops our time before we build business call. He cuts in the middle of the open up the doors in the platform for artists. Carter Mike Cypher do every Wednesday. Oh come out overnight whether you the rapper artists singer. Whatever was showcase a talent. So that's what it is open and they still going back to work for the bank. That's great rapids. Get together not just this is yeah then. You have your one poet. Comedians come out back. Gated communities. Don't live poets rappers like poets. Because we don't like rap was Kinda put little wrappers Orion because scripted. It's scripted and more now everybody's gotTa go right on the head and you get a whole show for like to work out. No COMEDY DONALD. Writing with this is what you know. Cindy like young folks. They your your call it bars news. It was roms Baghdad. Right now it is. Barr Scott Barnes Mari but he had a whole storyline and of course to his songs. You will look. I was looking at this amazing right. Does that work I. How do you put the song together? GotTa Look Chorus Duda so folks have become rapids being a artist creator to just be truly behind field comes out and sometimes. I'm going to take a little while to organize you know. 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I wouldn't consider myself take you a good ally was not gonNA vibe. Every woman on she'd nip not intelligent gotta go so I you know the difference between being in the club when I one nice thing. We won't really talk about mice sitting after the finish. Those of you young ladies. That came up they came over to. He's fascinated me. I groupies I would say yogurt piece. Do you have. Do you have some girls? That are the same every time some people do not really that being on social media people see me like I don't know groupies people. I know people's this is weird this situation. You need to see this right. He's very guarded but sitting has four Poles on instagram. But almost five thousand dollars right now. Would you like to like open up for like a big act like that? 'cause I do that sometimes? We're like a a big alice. Comedian will call him on me and say hey listen. I want you to do five minutes ten minutes and open up for me before I go onstage. Would that be something that you striving for as far as live performances as a rapper big term? They tired or music message. That's what I'm GonNa do it for the proper angled when I started I just wanted to be around knuckle flow Romulo subtle Hamas. Whatever the rope behind the damaged attack but Solve with high for that for the first couple years That's GonNa say that care about different things in life. Dan so I started former music in putting it together differently so if I can give them from ten people or ten thousand people as you start to find yourself right and that's when you come to the group now are cared more about groupies. People seem greasy. Now killer this. Yeah I just. I'm trying to get what he does. He's major focus out now now. Now what about sitting? I love the the battleground right ensure that Iraq is hidden listeners. You every back story now. Can you would. That's a whole different kind of wrapping and I kind of did it before the next meeting. Starting gotta rap talking about somebody that CEO hot. You are hardcore into the next person. I think he's compromise. Everybody that right you pretty much. Start off better. So would you say right home? So you just came are loving the flowers on it will be waving so why would you say like battle rappers are just being? Mc that's what it is about you You Yourself. Big Of your folks your community. Whatever you WanNa talk about you bragging pretty much right already hip hop tomorrow so battle rap in regular out there were two different battle. Mataram is just like renting your face like they prep each other for me to my knowledge that a lot of them you know the cars and the the barrel put together like evaluate. Go go move along. Bag extended the next person. So you can talk shows bad so some people. Just get off to fly to look at you. You stand in front of a card at home now. Music like is now sitting right. They could put the music on line and just sell it right right. You can make a song and then you can just sell it online right. Thank God now. We don't give a damn those but that Internet you have corona all over the place. Don't let that while I go now. Are you into about two or do you sell using our record? Tom By our sound crowd is called to the Max right at residential. We don't play these two number. Two space is all you do see. At met Ma X. is my focus too much about making music. I'm trying to build a fan base and find myself just going through the ups and downs. Able Child. His personal life on visitors. Answers won't be mixing taking club. I mean how how many how many mothers iphone has that. I got three big city. My oldest baby mother is sixty one. We follow you right behind her. You right by here over. You believe you're not you're right. I'm only fifty. How old was the oldest games like thirty nine? That's a hard thirty seven Lebron's down. Only I think that what is particularly hard to crack in the crack run. Winning I started. 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My ex-wife in this she's a baby mother in any other ones and I have hockey. God bless my actually my young birthdays. Today's twenty three and my oldest one is thirty six now now. How many Big Motza? Nobody most? How old are you know? How old are you dirty? Why Wow? That's great I wouldn't die like twenty six. That's great you okay. Thirty years old. Yeah that's good we've been going. And what do you do for a living? If your mommy exit good Komo go to work right now right before you leave and then I appreciate you come cine where we're going to do. He's a rapper. That's right. I'm a rapper conscious. Maybe where do you draw inspiration from some of the people that you like? I used to listen to a lot of artists address news circumstances. So is your your favorite rapper. Evil you don't okay. What is so? You don't have a favor. Comedian whose Williams is hilarious. 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Let's just grab a book feet the League that we'll never will again. Look there's it's all right we're GONNA play your song before. King Artists K. two is in g a RTI's ground right. It's pretty much on a single out to the Mexico now on I tunes spotify soundcloud up to the Max number two. The Ma ex- ex- under the name King. If if you'RE GONNA be one of vision shifting to deny Bob Sound. Yeah no doubt. We're going to talk to broadcast. That belies as well so we appreciate your time to go to work right now. Young man he's GonNa get his money going to cut especially thing we're going to call it. The prenton looks are going started. Make sure I give her every way happening. You to take prentice over. I just got back house. Yeah I knew. What'S THE RE brand new? You weren't listening more and seeing the smart as High Leonardo paying attention on you know the the one the Santiago. No never got it here because you don't what what is the best we don't find out later. One is one of those people that if she ever disappeared. You have to follow her exactly because you'll know where it is. Talk Tuesday Tuesday More step twenty twenty. Welcome back if you don't mind this surprising music they can pull wh- weather what clone has taken off a blanket and bagels the male. Is She league? Bond Him in Bethlehem. We work has lied to you from. It is forty five degrees. The high will be sixty. Four is clear right now but it's going to rain eleven. Am It's GonNa rain off and on throughout the day in Strasbourg. Forty five right now. Sixty three four the high fair as well again rain on and off throughout the day in Newark New Jersey fifty degrees sixty three or four high partly cloudy in chances of rain late on afternoon in New York City is fifty four degrees. The high will be sixty four partly cloudy in of rain throughout the day. Going to start around in the either your drive time. I believe Thirty six in Chicago forty. Five hundred high partly cloudy but the Sun should be around twelve PM. Excuse me fifty seven in Los Angeles Sixty Four for the high rain all day. They're in Miami. Seventy degrees seventy seven for the high partly cloudy and fifty five in Atlanta sixty three or four the high rain all day in Atlanta. That's the way I have for you. All today was was like where you are coming to. You live from the Shari one. Show featuring Sidney J will you get you start right exactly where you get your right? Thank you so much of what comprehensive up everyone chapman. Guess what was the first time this week on Tuesday? We're going to get some news from seeing Jay. Ooh I've been waiting for this news. Cine seventy five percent of the news is from you. Know you've been dying using dedicating Romar Diavolo Jake. Jc S to the double in indicate. Nancy got the front page news. Y'All guy she got front page news. John Bless you yes. Ya'll boom phase Good morning every body warning. I have some from page news for you. All the first story that I'm going to start off with is the economy right now. There's a lot going on. President trump is expected to announce an economic stimulus plan this afternoon. In hopes of bolstering. Our market laid low by corona virus fears and an upheaval in oil prices. trump said that his administration will seek a payroll tax. Cut Are you there. Is that the his administration will seek a payroll tax cut and will consider relief options for hourly workers. He don't have nobody employed there anyway. Those in the struggling airline crews in hospitality industries may get some tax help as well. I don't agree with that. And several White House officials have supported the idea of expanding paid sick. Leave to avoid the risk of people going to work il IL. You're losing pay. None of this is a done deal yet. and GOP leaders have been Coy ABOUT WHICH PROVISION. They agree upon so far. We don't really know what they're talking about or what they're seeing on to do. Meanwhile the New York Federal Reserve is pumping at least fifty billion dollars into the financial system to stress on the markets after the Dow briefly plunged more than two thousand points yesterday. Why this is ridiculous. And everybody's out they can't get any hand sanitizer any clorox wipes and he bleeds anywhere so Hopefully that stuff will work itself out. What they're saying is happening with the oil prices is that there was a deal between Russia and I believe Saudi Arabia and that felt through. So now they're just basically Fighting over crude oil prices. Which could make the oil drop down below two dollars which would be rape for. We're here for Y'all fight in shutouts par before they get onto the newsletter and I guess we hold so corona thing what s what is the first thing of with with the stock market. That's bobby check the market from right. Now it says above the open up again Sending the two thousand. They stopped the market yesterday for the team. Because the moment the velde wrong it just started dropping thousands of points shoes. It opened up right. So they have triggered Cindy J. on the market to stop it because it will go into this free full thing And even when they stopped still kept going down is probably GONNA go down. The date is GONNA go down. I think the market is gonNA lose a million things. Go lose another fifteen percent of this thing before we covers four one K. Plans everybody in now now now and it'll go back there. I get well. The oil prices city Jay with this week and back until they start this good. The oil prices GonNa drop two hundred dollars so that means for us they might go down as low as two dollars a gallon in some time which is unheard of. Because usually it's like three and change for the oil might go back at the gas might go down dollar nine. I'm I'm here for. Would that be out in the gas industry gets laid off? They don't mean people for us is great but with the what about the guy that works at the oil is the Nikkei. And how President Trump but this is. This is the one time we're president. Donald Trump was complete idiot. He has to he has to. He has the Iranian. He has to yield to this. He can't be the great. Donald trump is now because the other saying nothing. Scientists like shut up right. This is going down and not. Only that the coronas all around everybody so now he's got a stimulus. Package has to act like a president but to give to the hotel industry and the the cruise line industry and the airlines. Like do they need just like the banks. Do they need a bailout? Do we need the cruise? We need the hospitality industry to keep going. You a little bit because what happens is if you let the the travel industry go down. The tools will win. Pack People get stuck on these cruise ships off the right doesn't look like anybody stopping the diggers covers the next thing. You know your plane ticket going to be a thousand dollars go to Atlanta. So they can make money. We don't want that guy inject some money into this industry any candidate just crash and burn. What y'all indesit because it's going to be it's not gonNa be good for us in a long time so you know what the flight to work record pallets or the Filipino. Boats at all is because we need a Bat and China. Listen everybody got. Nobody now. Absorbed axles stimulus package like this sixty three billion dollars. And then the Fed billion fans like Yo. Hold on trying to Armageddon me. Let me start. Stock Market crashes on done around take fifty billion and put it back in this day and if they lose the fifty billion today they're gonNA put another fifty billion tomorrow a lot of billions. That's why goes back to what I always say. And I always get upset about the federal government and the United States. Always picking off folks with evt's and food stamps and healthcare right because when the market crash all of a sudden there's a hundred billion dollars out of nowhere right to keep our market on and there's all of a sudden sixty a president trump didn't have to go to. Congress to get sixty three billion dollars just signed the papal and they're gonNA sixty three billion now on the paper for sixty three billion dollars in the past can give away a fifty billion today probably fifty billion the mall. Don't sit here and complain about somebody just getting a bt on two hundred dollars a month right what would they work or not gonNA stop it? You fifty bill messages down his blessing or Latino you let them into the country. They should separate Nick Families Right. But you got fifty billion dollars the bill out the stock market and you got a sixty three billion dollars stimulus plan. Oh we got that. But you can't give twenty twenty million dollars I said God who's Got Harvey Weinstein. Take this two hundred million. And I saw all paths with the Latino folks at the borough continue. Also come all this morning. I'm right that we didn't have. We didn't have ridiculous. I'm going to get in building. Don't done I'm going to let you guys know about the The Corona virus. Right now I know we talked with say. Sydney was minimum. My let me a month ago. Less than me for real. You can let them in really becky many of you. What the Virus City Journal Corona virus here shine. No I did not A. There's nothing you guys. Still mass hysteria of Italy and it's sixty million residents are now on a big billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and bidding storage a- parent. Yes and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions of billions and billions and billions billions and billions and billions and billions billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions bruins going. What makes that my knees and billions and billions of dollars billions and that. It's kind of funny fellow Larry. Now I'm gonNA listen to them. I ride home. Forty five minutes and billions wall and millions are how what in Italy eaten entire country right there. Under lockdown as corona virus cases now exceed one. Hundred thirteen thousand worldwide cases of the virus are mounting in the US and it seems like there's a never ending stream of cancellations precautions being activated to curb the spread Sports Leagues Restricting Locker. Room access bands have postponed tornadoes in Ireland. Saint Patrick's Day parade has been scratched out in China and South Korea at the Barclay Center is still all your F- April seventeenth. We in the building new black and Latino. I heard that not one of US got got the Corolla. We're good shine and New York is under a state of emergency okay. Currently right now do know that I was into your yesterday. It China s out Carina. Komo way you being disrespectful to the corona fast moving pace that In China and South Korea South Korea correct corona virus cases. Seem to have tapered off. The Chinese province of WHO BAY will start gradually lifting travel restrictions within the region and South. Korea's health minister says he thinks his country may have passed the peak of the outbreak which which is fantastic however over here in the United States. It seems to be running rampant. A plane was forced to land. After a passenger sneezed and others became disruptive the hysteria surrounding the Krona Rier is has reached an all time high a United Airlines plane travelling from Colorado ski country traveling to Newark Newark Newark New Jersey. Oh no keeping their vade. They made a stop because a passenger sneeze and those sitting beside became very. I called a small fees. Although I don't know how things these but a small group of passengers became disruptive on Flight. Fifteen sixty two after. They were seated next to someone who is sneezing and coughing. Let me tell you Bobby Cologne this. This is the core of self-centeredness night. You're in a capsule that's going six hundred miles an hour at thirty something thousand feet. That's not humans and not even supposed to be doing anything like that but somebody sneezes problem whole problem. The real problem is thirty thousand feet in the air. Going six hundred miles an hour. We'd be a little great. Have you on die on the bunny? Yup from a sneeze sneeze when you're in a caption one six hundred miles an hour facebook. After failing to follow instructions from crew members the pilot was forced to land the plane where the police met them to escort the group off the plane right. After the passenger was screened it was determined that the person was suffering from allergies. That was able to continue on the flight. And this whole city. Come on those people about. I'm just about Bologna's I will ban them from flying any airline in the United States of America for five years. I've been like this well right now. I mean supposedly people can't even test how certain hospitals a lot of hospitals can't even test for the corona virus right now so people don't even know if people they don't even know if they really have it because the media is going overboard with this gas post mates which is a popular delivery service. Door DASH AND UBER eats They're announcing new. No contact food delivery option due to corona virus concern. Meaning that Yes they're taking. Extreme measures to further ensure their health and safety and now post mates is among the companies who are using extra precautions. the popular food delivery. App JUST launched a new option for customers have no contact an effort to not contract the virus it allow it now allows customers to specify how they would like to receive deliveries. Customers can decide to delivery drivers at the door. Curbside war non contact with a food is left at the door and these these type of industries are going to these industries are gonNA boom like food delivery. People Cause people cause born. Think about it and people don't want to go to restaurants. They're still WANNA eat but they don't want to go to the restaurant they might want. They food delivered now. The Popular Grocery Delivery Service inside the car. Which is you can. Request them to go. Get your groceries. And they'll go pick a mom don't have they have introduced. Similar option called leave at my door delivery within its APP And you know they're just doing that the the US now has five hundred sixty six cases of Virus twenty two deaths related to the disease. Then we also have two cases now reported in Monroe County. He presumably with the current virus. Which lose I'm going to have to be screened by the CDC Annuity? I told you stay. Your ass is in New York If you lived in the Poconos sending did not say that barring research they ask you because you're gonNa Bring Corolla to the poconos. The what has its these to. India's had to get on stupid boss. The buses the mark buses road to wrote a briefing. But if you take that Dominican band from the Poconos Lehigh Valley to New York. There's no corona on the mark buses trail troub- brick and mortar buses. That the Babylonian Zone folks. You better get all know. Get Onto Dominican Dan. That hey sues drive us the poconos to New York City. He has no seatbelt on hundred miles an hour. Have you ever took one of those? Where we gotta get event Hogan Old George Watson words in thirty seven in the Fast Lane. No seat the whole tack and sure you're going to quarantine the mornings. You can go where we're not doing the show. Sean listen this is our plaque. We have a quick beat him. What are we gonNA do one third week anyway? We continue to show ourselves while all the schools on the formation Ryan. Go back in the bubble left survive. Freebase India's before Crack Jersey New Jersey. I had Chinese food last week and I was done here. He said she said you said my immune system you set that publicly immune system. This woman has Latino for twenty years and I survived cracks. Way Skin we've been through a lot already GAM. Yes you guys just should never sitting. When I was in New York. Yesterday they had people had the black matte black surgical man purple black people dirty nasty black bird big mass as gods dirty mask. It was crazy out there. I'm not worried about the mass get glove. That's what I want. I want latex gloves. And that's how we should be. Yeah like that's how we should be rocking with some latex gloves. Because if you're worried about washing the hands first of all when you have the gloves you're less resistant to touch your face. You won't really you know you don't have nothing on your hand touch your face more. And that's how it's spreading so keep my gloves on. Wash your hands. Change gloves only real. Mvp The head of the New York City New York New Jersey Port Authority. He has grown. They're telling everybody out this. This man was did new airport. Yes George Washington Bridge. Jfk Lincoln Tunnel Holland term type of all of these. This one got the World Trade Center. This one guy ones all. We can't afford to stay. He's an isolated bubble umbrella. Has Messenger bag? How did he write you go? They are saying due to New York Gang. I says soon as his the subway ceramic we are only concerned about our beloved Leshan as Jones who works in southern. She's box though They're saying that they are urging New Yorkers to not use the subway as the number of corona virus cases in the state climbed but to the five point five million people who rely on the system every day that proved to be unreasonable. You're right no way in hell that you could tell. The New Yorkers not to use the subway shut it down city if they shut the New York City transit system down it would be a write in New Jersey. He had DELLERI and Kennedy Brooklyn Train Writer said is he out of his mind. How could we have? We can't take the subway subway for years. He said now she uses paper towels to grip the Henry rails in subway cars and make sure to carry hand sanitizer last week. the agency would disinfect. Every single one of its subway cars and buses every seventy two hours imagine wiped out services and every subway. Show warm Clo- all those. Mta workers that think they fly as they come into the club with the MTA. Dirty ass blue uniforms because they want everybody that they work for the city. They got they little badges in the bus. I guess what? Mta workers your punk ass has gotta work now. Now you gotTA RUB DOWN TO SCRUB DOWN and clean every poll and subway train and bus in your fleet. And that's just what your punk ass and I tell you one thing don't true. Dale you a city worker in New York City. Don't you dare us that sick time or don't you dare talk on? July? You're not coming to work because you'RE GONNA get five day right so the gravy train is over four men were MTA. Got Twenty five thousand days. You Ain't got bring your ass to work. It starts smuggling things down and make good to be scrubbing now her other than everybody else. Scenario you get your ass down there and get that mop and starts scrubbing the floors. The mayor there. And you'll take a day off. I doubt who go ahead into the worker. You case to like that a day you to call out out here popping. The mayor suggested New Yorkers bike or walk to work instead of grabbing onto rush. Hour trains One New Yorker said how about? He gives us two weeks off with Bay She works Michelle McFadden works for the city wearing a surgical mask We can't stop taking the subway. We have to get to work all you folks that want to take the subway. They had takes away barbecue aunt. And if you're going to be at work at nine o'clock get your punk ass is on the train at three thirty to one can get work. Go to school. I don't know what you're GONNA do. Leaf wows early to get to work and to corona those away right so That's what is going on in corona around You know the country's same thing the same thing doing California but they need to get more test kits out there so people know but they do say and my question is all these people that are self quarantining. How do we know that their self quarantining like WHO's watching them? This sounds ridiculous singer Bob Quantities. Well they're saying if you have symptoms of the corona virus. Do not go to the hospital. Because they can't test for any way and all you're gonNA do a spread it stay home. Don't come into contact with others and wait out this symptoms if they if they worsened than contact and speak with somebody. They'll probably put somebody on the phone with you and really just ride it out. I mean unless you're a child or your elderly or have a compromised immune system. Just wait it out. You'll be you still feel the same way about coronas is going to plaster wouldn't yeah. China already set his tapering off. My do that because people are like all if it's not so deadly why all these people dying in China and first of all China is the most populated place on our so of course if there's an outbreak of some sort and more elderly people all of that there's going to have higher death rate just like the flu. Every year right kills X. amount of people you know. It's the same thing if you're going to have an outbreak of something. So you know. Don't let this hysteria. Whatever bleach you in your house now or wipes are good enough to suffice. Don't let this scare you. We'll be we'll be right there August billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and of billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions green beans yesterday. Yesterday I spent a whole day. It's been twenty four hours as I've eaten anything. I'm hungry is starting to get a Bagel when I got here. I'm just GONNA go for the Gustov connected to go. I'm going to get bacon egg and cheese on a big Wad throw-up advertising yeah. Today's I'm gonNA eat something big. Go throw give me some Chinese ask you. Can YOU BASKETBALL PLANES FREE OVER? A areas show Sydney Barbie to for all. We gotTa Shout Out Room Sports Jordan WanNA show seaborn. I have no comment. A little. Calmer by dicap- homes. What a Shaka on your show next week lobby asking this week which you asked me your everybody else made rooms week about walk because you haven't even over the third shares about our another guy will be Jacob. It's too early for you. Crawl before you do that Barbie. Whenever when it's time to do we don't do the shots in a minute in bobbing on the sports in Sydney's GonNa do whatever she won't do online our beloved Jacob just this. What is this a one shot deal whenever you shout out his? Nagy's this show is actually loves. He's going to be a pain in the ass about this but wants to do at one time. Is He for Grad Jayco? Here's j. You know where only Jacob Bobby always remember the statement will you get your IRA invested gets nipple. And we're not responding now. He was going to bomb. You never know there might be talking about the game. But at least he's saying what's in here. I feel G V city. I don't even know. Spy CORONA PRACTICES CYNIC RAMONA. Practice out there about rotavirus on the news. You ready for then I I. I'm wondering older people. But they said this on a phone call and they was telling the truth without the president knowing about upon people this year old. Pull HOLD ON. Hold on hold on. Hold on hold anybody. Don't hold on a second. Don't call. Don't don't leave me. Don't do it you listen to the show. That's what you do. You listen you listen to the show and the show you listen to. This one is over his mind. Ronald People Sticky. You're older people that are dying are people of the sixty and are healthy. I see so so so capable that window jiggle. She's in that debt. That zone B Zone. A would be elderly zone B. J. Go but I'm Zion Zone. Cea Are you worried Jacob? Hell no he worry you mean well Jake US AIRPORT. You know what whatever has will located on our hands with people before you. Cj this is a man as a vagina all over the world. This is a man who synergy he was having sexual models before you were born. This is a man that's been in the top events all over the world and he was a world travel number for you was born. You think he's you think that this man is sixty six years old give a damn about God. Bless you pay less bobby back to that if you don't mind. This is one time when we stood us out. He's probably going to go into the bathroom question. But it's fun bobby. Fun Jay Jay. Talk to your apartment. Which is six is by the way Shawn Brown. Olive is very weird girlfriend. Now don't really mean that would just say my name say my name say my name only if you go into the bathroom. Are you in the Back Matt? Right now so liberty this. Don't talk to me this listening on the toilet. I want you to take a picture. I want you to take a picture of you. Being in the bathroom Google Barbie again WANNA start inviting. They lots apart. They love bobby say and I tell everybody and all my friends if you want to get him one insider brings to Harvey Morning Crew. Everyone Bernie. I'm getting ready to move out when you go to the gym. I got out today. I'll tell you one in Jacob Bat lashes. One Holloway Oliver. I want you to turn away from the show. Okay now out the room minimum minimize the Video Sean. I want you out to room now whenever the second room. 'cause you too much to barbeque gotta do lobby got something to do here because this is where you get you started right so this a state. Obama for a minute okay cool. I don't see how. Come Out Bregman Bobby. If you don't mind you just hit with a once. A W could you do for the team and do it for the nation if and they go you always get me out show people. They ain't nobody asking. Let me tell you. I'm not guarantee you anything but I can guarantee that this minutes probably in the bathrooms you shopped room out Barbecue. This is AP. If you don't mind JACOB TAKE OFF MY GOING TO LOSE. We city do right now. We'll shine out the room. We're going to show some love. Did they wonder. That's one of the bag in hand. Your show extra batteries chat where the heart SAC chat room pay. Twitter heart set chat rooms chapel of weather hearts destiny way. The heart set off girl. Yelling gone ahead. Chat rooms heart chat chat chat chat with a heart to a heart attack. Work A hey. Hey pick quick break out. Maybe your flustered Andrews good on in Della Hour this morning Brad. Hey My beautiful self rushing hey colo- to Washington. Is He on a team? Imagine all right Deborrah. Free Ninety Nine Lesley is here. Go Up our hannam Still Rios. Hey you able wrong wrong. Let's your he brown out of what? Hey jobs in good morning audrey. Good Morning Mr Jackson Good Morning. 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God I don't want to talk about so the cake but this year really was the bloody shows up be crying. I don't want that. I love this woman. Sydney Bonnie Shock. And he's so sweet so soothing. Every certain New York is the state of emergency congregating out there city. This is our people. Well you can't drive there lynette. This album park. Take the subway. So that's go in. God bless you make sure you guys take pictures of grew to thank? God bless blacked less less. C'mon now that's Sean. Loves THAT IT GOES TO A dark laser into a land trying to go down the rabble. Anyone all right. Have it all. Give a little love and you guys know that Tom. Brady is a fancy franchise quarterback for the New England Patriots. But he is Sean. Harvey Morning Show Sydney Barbie down on everybody. We're the only ones you the only one that we care about. Nestle voices on it. Don't make them clean nothing okay. That's that's not my job. Titles job title now that it is now the city the city the head of the port authorities catch road. Everybody was most important over there calling this election a little bit. I won't be out there with a all. This is so I am Farrah here a couple of other people calling more the Merrier from God. Bless you and the side. Is that really Nice restaurant across the street from there taxes. Go do that and then go eat degree. I Brady definitely well. She's not going to look like. Hey you got the buick a break and y'all got to clean that somebody's gotta be there at seven o'clock okay. So as I look beyond this full blast they union rep saying able to help them even all gotta get down to clean my gosh love. God bless God bless like. I said you know that Tom Brady. Is a franchise quarterback Patriots. Were for the first time in his career. He is a free agent and he has not announced his are returning back to the New England patriots. As of yet so it is up in the air. If he's GONNA BE TURNED. A few teams had already showed interest in him estimated charges. The forty niners the titans. The rams the raiders they are nothing would love to have brady as their franchise. Quarterback is only only need this retired. No no go on your way when I was fine until you go again. Maybe getting in the way he doesn't need to go to Spanish in his early forties and all top professional teams. Want him to quarterback. God bless him. There's ten thousand twenty one year old quarterbacks that kingdom a step on the sand every okay so no you get it. But that's fine Oman. He's Oh he's always the best quarterback of all time and You are hockey scores for your bill. The castles and the sabres play yesterday and they had to go to a shootout. I'm disabled one three to two with a capital swimming. Washington you said shootout Washington DC mixing. We're great the Brady Brady printers you still hating Barbie Cologne enough. 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Episode 208 Demons 2

The Moratorium

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Episode 208 Demons 2

"Hey philo freaks tres. It's tim from the moratorium. Just here to remind you that if you enjoy what you hear please like share and subscribe then rinse and repeat. We're just a couple of small town nerds trying to make sweet geek love to your ear holes and we can use your support. Look for on your favorite social media or contact us at movie moratorium at gmail.com. Now that that's out of the way on with mannequins welcome to the vista de la monja. An extraordinarily place to live this family. Friendly high rise complex has all of the necessary. Amenities are double pane. Bulletproof glass windows will provide the safest environment to raise. Your children are twenty four hours security. Indoor parking and workout gym will provide ample fodder during the largest hordes of demon attacks. Act now and get italian. Hbo for three months. Free vista daily monia. The last home you'll ever need operators are standing by and in three two one already forgot. It does insane. The match made in a bathroom floating into the void. Hi hi hi car now. You saying that you Rearrange your yes. Rearrange your desk. You make himself more comfortable. I can get the same thing I finally got my tv mounted on the wall. Yeah right next to that. Big boars head. There's darth vader still looming over me. Oh yeah that's right. I got my New speakers which are making a sound pretty damn good very nice. But since i got this. Four k monitor I don't know. I have a hard time with my colors. I don't know i'm sitting too close to the screen. Editing is is a little hard on the is yeah. I could see that. You're not the human. I wasn't supposed to see in attitude though factually harmful for like i said that i got a four k tv and i have seven hundred. Twenty p is certainly. that's true. it's not a song anyway. i gotta tell you so. I'm just trying to modify guess 'cause my desk is Is still the arcade that we built. You know a long time ago. And it was built for sturdiness. You know. and it's i mean greenwich thing weighs like three hundred pounds. And i built this out of you know old leftover two by fours that i had and plywood and it's just from those two by four fights that used to have behind your house. Somebody posted a picture. Made me laugh of a lumber party massacre at it was chicks in nineteen nineties with two by fours going in and show their wash that so anyway. That's probably been a thing that you can bet so. My desk is a little awkward. I need a new desk at but the space that i have it end is going to be a little bit. You know his awkward anyway so in order to get a quick fix to maximize my space in pull myself back away from the screen a little bit. I've tried different things like al-tv trae and trying them edit like. That doesn't really work right. What i did is i went and bought some Two and a half inch flex pipe. That goes over. My arm rests on my chair to extend my arm rests out building. Are you just making like a foam. 'cause play of the astronomer for a malian does get bills like that to cut you out of your chair so extends the arm rests on my chair and i pull this this plank that i used as my desk up onto these tended armrest and basically. I've made myself a high chair. I've got a foot pedestal. Who aren't to lean back. And relax. And i just need a bib flip. Cheerios all over the floor. Bill your mill. And i think i'm onto something here. I think this is. Oh yes shark tank material. Get a sippy cup. Sippy cup just has beer in it. But you're still eating just like microwave. Chicken tenders yeah. It's not the life of a baby or like not not bad and you are already wearing an adult diaper. I don't have to leave my chair. You don't need to you just wanted. I can sit here soil myself and at it all day long nice yeah berry ted kaczynski kind of setup you've got over their bombs is usually what comes next pipe bombs and stuff like that. We're about to start in on a big old bowl of spaghetti with a demon to let me start off by singing. Mambu mambo tally on a mambu mumbai. Taken us so long to sing that. I don't know that's our new theme song. Too bad is copy written. And that's all. I could sing o so i actually had like four pages of notes. Today i had way more notes for the first one. This one is. I mean these are the most fun movies where i mean by this point. I'm not even thinking about the little like you know inconsistencies storytelling you kind of at a certain point to have to strap in just You just sit back and let it unfold because i. I don't have any questions about the see. I watched this last night with my wife. And she's like. I have no idea what's going on. I said hunting jason. I've talked about this time and time again and it's really A lot with the italians. you can't think about the plot. Don't worry don't worry about just let it unfold. You're just here for the gore and the fun and obviously half of our demons were only allowed to sit in the chair for face makeup and not the rest bodies. This is all very You know dawn of the dead where you really are just kind of. They they put you in this. I i love the apartment building Just kind of set up. You know. I mean there's so much you can do a lot of creepy shots with like Those kind of spiraling staircases to the different floor. Those are always spooky anyway and then you put a bunch of. I waited so long and was about to applaud when finally somebody was thrown down the center. Yeah a lot of like manikins being thrown over love there. Like four of 'em all. I guess that's the i mean you know like i said it's they have a multi floor building that they can kind of have fun and i swear when they got into the parking garage it was like a talion. Horror assert the so lay. Oh for sure yeah. They were springboards everywhere. I watched it with my wife to in one of them just made us laugh out loud. How did he slip. They shot him with like compressed. Air like a boom like over that whole or whatever. Yeah this one is definitely a first quarter of it as just like hope. Rather are we gonna just be at a eighties dance party entire time and then that that quickly comes to an end But boy there. Some some stuff that i wish i hadn't seen no demons or blood. Just dancing. yeah those like capela chief pants that liked to a guy just like pleaded everywhere ami pleats do you think one man means i'm pleaded. How do i got so pleaded. Last night let our audience know that we are including our double feature the conclusion of demons demons to double feature. I'm taking it upon myself to say that we're not going to be doing demons. Three the ogre yeah. I just watched the trailer for that too and and yeah it states. That was a made for tv movie so it was really dumbed down on the gore also. This one is supposed to be the same way. And i thought like i mean. There's a scene later that i was like. Oh that they played that on italian. I mean i did read that they were. You know toned it down a little bit and i was like where it's gross. It is gross. It's all in good fun. You know and there were a few scenes that i thought were going to play out a little differently. A little gisar. And yeah. Maybe i can. I can tell her that. Was you know maybe rain de. So i was kinda hoping. Is that somewhere. There was this Uncut version but i don't think we're getting that bram. I'm watching this on shutter. Yup me too. I think you can also watch it for free on youtube. Yeah we talk about this and when we watch demons one that i guess there is Michael swath say mitt. Michael rico swazi michaela. So all the when he directed the church which could be the sequel to demons to. Yeah we'll come back to that probably eventually. We're not going to go on and do that as a third in this trilogy. Yes and we. Also i mean i'm looking at it right now and it's wearing me out looking at it i could explain why Yeah i mean just the different as sequels and different directors and But i'm not going. You can get on youtube. I believe and there's one clip of Joe bob briggs explaining how the sequels worked and only this one and demons had anything to do with each other. all right. that's all you need to know really as that that and don't worry about the plot guys. yeah because there is none. It's fun though. After a certain point it is fun. It does take a little bit to start off kind of just like how it is to start off this podcast. Oh yet did we mention that. This is a podcast. I guess you guys know that. Welcome to the moratorium. Tim cormon and with me as always is jason walker. It me Jason old man. Joe walker joe. Don walker acre candlestick maker. I was just looking at Lamberto bava that's a good name. Yes it is but he went by a different name back in the us. John old junior out. Yeah i did see that. That's very very odd but blast fighter devil fish and you'll die at midnight. He did as john old junior. And i've got talk about all three of those films. That's like an italian Alan smith he kind of doesn't maybe so i don't know but Yeah we'll talk about his Legacy will say legacy yeah. is passed away. I actually have like three pages of tangents. That are strategically planned throughout. I don't know strategically when i'm going to insert them as long as you keep saying strategically than will be like leo. Really knows what he's talking about. This is good. I m continuing the candy lands like games the board game and i just like coming up with different like hazards. You know the ones you land on the like lose a turn or something and i thought one should be Emilio estevez will come around and tape. Your bunch of your hair on your butt gets like stuck in it and your data will be ashamed of you ruge. That's that's it. Lose a turn and you end on top of that. You lose a turn. The i might know. Do some new ones of those but otherwise no unless we cover a movie with one of the brat pack and then it'll have to be discussed and so on the candy board game that you're making though These spots are actually going to have to be. You're going to have to draw a card because there's no way that we can write that much information on that little square where little brat pack cardboard cutout character lands on right and good and as set up right. Now there's no way to win because all of all of the spaces are You know like this hazards landing in jail or whatever right there there is no end. You just continue to go around and there no way to win. You're just in a a loop of perpetual candy lan loop. You're looping can't wait to play this for twelve hours hang on a second tim. I'm looping right now. I hate all of the actors in this move i said oh god i mean except for ossius. She's the only one that's she's like eleven she. She's ten years old during the making of this off of dairy origin does daughter and they said it was her first film. Yes our first phone And yeah she's managing to out. Act everyone else. Except what is so strange as like sallied. I think who is the girl like. We said there is no plot. I mean i think we can just skim right over. Sally is having a birthday party for herself in one of these Apartments is that pretty much. Can we stop there but doesn't want her ex is an ex boyfriend. Show up earn my god. She is so. I think she has bipolar disorder. Because honey is having a blast before that. And then maybe she's just overly dramatic but she like explodes on that dork guy like really really hams it up when i say that none of body can act except for. She's probably the main offender because when she does have that little freak out his heart. It was already hard to walk. And then she's just bad actress. Oddly until she gets makeup on her and she becomes a best actress in the movie ever ever really selling it. I'll tell you it doesn't really get going until about twenty minutes. And yet i maybe i just didn't get it at first that everything was in this apartment complex so when we go to bobby roads the gym the gym. I wasn't thinking that the gym was in the apartment complex but yes apparently it is also apparently the set of the first movie is within the apartment complex. So i don't know what to do when that part comes up. Allah will left the draw attention to the movie theater. But now it's television studios said that right that obviously you want disco lights on your audience and your participants on this asset raid. Yes everyone is disoriented and confused by the way one of the like Punks quote unquote one of the west side story. Peng i cannot remember his name from the first one He's the guy snorting coke out of the cocaine and the first right. Yeah he is. He is a security guard which that matches up. He made me laugh so hard yet. He's really overacting. Oh my gosh. Yeah it looks like he just did coke out of a coke can yes which you know probably right probably Yeah he doesn't know where his He he's way too. Intense won't be rude but like if he was in like an animated movie as like a animated character. You know i would say this animation subs because he is the weirdest face get know how to explain it. He looked totally different to me in this role than he did. Writing like the coat caught up with him the fact that this was probably filmed within a couple of months. I'll end of the filming of the first one. He's e- still in that mode but they just put a security costume on him which isn't even that great. It really does look like something. You'd get from like a cheap costume rental right from police academy the blue oyster bar lev. Yeah how did they always get tricked. And the like that place has been in the same address for they wanted to show up there. That's what it was yes and like. Oh we're here again yet. Do that song. We're time nope. No okay. you all know. What the blue oyster music sounds like. They're playing that song. Twenty four seven so the music in this movie though is okay. Yes good at read off. Actually i'm looking at the screen right now. All right so the smiths gray nicole awesome art of noise. I think that is the first song as art of noise if he can hear all of that. Weird kind of like sampling the electron stuff in there Peter murphy great for a horror movie dead can dance. That sounds familiar. But i'm but i did look up look up You know says music by simon boswell and i was like is that somebody that i should know and i was like. Oh no i'm thinking. Simon the bond fuck simon boswell but if you scroll down his imdb let's all pretty normal like he's a composer you know but if you look at the very bottom. He's in a band. Call sex gang. Children bro brat. House like how. I feel about the sex gang children and then i looked to see if like they like it was the type of like they had forgotten like punctuation or something. It didn't translate from spanish. So i wonder if that's what it was like a problem in translation actually sex gang children. The band in italy is probably not that like controversial right. What does that mean. sex gang children. The children that are produced from a is it a sequel to the boxcar children. Maybe what is the boxcar. Karch famous children's book. Or maybe maybe not vamos never heard of it so the opening of this movie though they do like a kind of a a an odd isn't supposed to be like a no str- adamas type thing that oh the voice over at the very beginning. I don't know yes. Maybe because we had one in demons too but it was part of the movie. I think And see that would have made more sense if that had also been because i just plays over a black background right rife and this is confusing to actually not to. This is the most confusing the movie. This is all occurring in a high rise apartment building right right so several different Families people in this. This is weird in this apartment. Building are watching a movie. Yes similar to the one in demons where it's a group of kids and they discover you know something and then start turning into demons so like ossius watching it with her family while they're eating breakfast at midnight. I don't know the time is completely confusing in this very much. So you know you kind of like have that in the back of your head like i know i walk. I watched someone walk into the apartment building and it was dark outside. You know somewhere in the back of your mind you kind of have a feel for like what time of day it is much watching the main guy walk in right now and it looks like it sunset right right dusk or something. Yeah well maybe it's supposed to be in the morning and we're just confused. Because i think i think obvious families eating cereal anyway. It doesn't matter. It's another one of those plot specific. Yeah nah also working out at midnight as weird. I guess i would be frigging. Rip to bobby rhodes was was telling me telling you the entire. Can i go to the gym every once in a while. But i very rarely get in that like butterfly machine type thing. Where like kohl's your arms back because it's been the cause of death several people in in or movies. There's one movie where that happens. And some guy's ribs just like poke right out of the night because they like to extend his arms can't remember what that is but yeah jim kills are great that one guy throws a fake dumbbell at the demon and knocks him out not the use of plants. Yes plants any type of thing that you can throw. Also that jim is. I think bobby roads job is to yell at them. Yeah number one yell at everybody number two every once in a while with like a barbecue brush just put more kyi on. Everybody decay y budget for this movie had to be. Oh he slapped somebody on the back in that while they're on parking garage and i actually went to. Yeah exactly you saw his handprint like like maple syrup or something. I love the guy. Who did the voice. Over for bobby rose. I mean i loved him when he was telling you to him it. He's great in this. Yes now you go to the gym but do you wear these short shorts of like scrooge showing short. I mean the call is gross. We're the scopes gang. I'm watching them dance. And the freaking in and the living room. And i'm thinking they're listening to the scr oats yet. Their new hit single. No those are some real love boat. Shorts and i don't care for any of it. Gopher had those shortfalls point. That's why they call them. Gopher for can see the little gopher in bo we are going downhill big time already but there are so many different opening scenes in this just showing up. Everybody kind of confusing. It's hard to out where time and places there's also a pregnant couple. She is doing situps. Well she's pre. I'm like man that baby's gonna fly out. I think there'd be a lot of problems. We're trying to do crunches while you're greg. Yeah do you wanna talk about the neon in the in the house. Do i love the neon but when it starts. The electricity starts going crazy later. It is seizure induce. Yeah yeah. I saw a couple of flashes for no reason i think in the movie. The movie within the movie yes. There's a couple of like flashes just flashes for some reason and i was like. Oh what was that nothing now. We had the lights turned down and man. It was just couldn't look at it for. i think i saw my pre maurel self Ooh yet primordial Here in altered states. Yep just throw yourself around the weird hallway. The weird hallway. That's two foot. I had to go back and forth. So sally is a little diva bitch. Yeah she is very you like an italian phoebe. Cates kind of a little bit bay. She's hysterical. You wanna talk about all of the food. That is on the table for me birthday. I see cheesecake i see. They're all cakes of some sort. Not now i. I got a backup. I got. Ask question here because the very beginning when the credits are rolling and we see the cakes and the food being prepared. But there's somebody walking down the hall that has a club foot and then they walked through the doors and it's like got that looks like blood but i guess it's like a jelly robbery saucers right right but we don't see who that person is that no this food. We never see that person. We don't see that person's face no you just see that. He's got like yeah. Kind of like corrective braces and yet affect that. I am correct. This guy does not come back into play right. no. I don't think so because he's not one of our casts members and look like he. I don't know that that scene was completely disconnected from anything else that's going on. I think they do that in. Probably seventy five percent of eighties. Horror movies is kind of like a redirect era misdirection about okay misdirect tan so osceola is having breakfast with her family watching that watching the tv watching this horror film right. The debt look like it was supposed to be right from the end of demons. It was like they were wide film and this is the continuation of demons. Yes it does because then they see evidence of the kind of outbreak that happened before right because they find a demon pinned under like a ibm or something. Don't know it's it's strange. yeah i am. They're driving a jeep but it's all different actors. Yeah and it also seems like that's what they are there to do rather than just party or whatever it was in the first one. It seems like they're trying to find. They might even say it very quickly like in the dialogue of the movie within a movie. Is you know they're there to find like Evidence of these demons route. Whatever that's what they were trying to do then they were successful and then turned all of themselves into demons right. What did they think was going to happen. They played itself off like it was kind of like an unsolved mysteries right. Yeah like a reenactment or something. I actually like thinking of it like that. Because i mean obviously we've said there's no plot to this But if it's not the plot that you're therefore therefore the special effects and this movie is you know you really just have to struggle through this first twenty minutes and then you're going to see some pretty fucking great excuse. My french practical effects. You know talion jason No i'm sorry it. Let me translate all come back in with some italian. You just keep going on no. I'll get some italian phrase but anyway The movie within a movie in the first demons. is much better than this one so that kind of supports the reenactment type thing you know. Who's need robert stack to narrate on top of which made a dental at old guy. Now that would that would have made more sense if that voice over in the beginning was like the introduction to that movie within a movie and they had had it like playing on tv or something that would have made more sense but instead it's just exists. Actually that's what it was in the first movie that the narrator says what did he say something about dreams run. The in the cities will become your tomb right. Yeah they say that exact line in this setup. Yeah it would have been. It would have made a lot more sentence if that hadn't just been hanging out there by itself Remake demons two guys so we have two kids in this as a Are gento and tommy. Who is played by marco. Vivio tommy loved has. Tv's that's busier are not related correct. He lives with his mother. Is that right. I don't wanna totally different apartment watching this movie by himself. The phone rings and he answers it and he's like no. My parents aren't at home. I'm here all by myself. I was like why would you tell somebody. Yeah that's what they tell you to tell anybody. Tell you not to do his parents. Are i mean. There's a strong case for neglect here. He's also like so young. And i hate saying this about everything but he is a little bit like italian joey lawrence or could you get that kind of Who played and eight is enough. Ow god back. He's like a ball for. My slapping hands starts itching bob Oh god the cartoon dogs voice but yeah so osceola in that little boy or both it's cutting back and forth to both of them watching the same movie. Yes but do they actually get together and help each other some point. I don't think so. I don't think so each other. It ends up being her father and her. He is with a girl later in the apartment. I don't know if it's his mom. Or is that the mom or was that the hooker. We failed to mention it now. The hooker there is a sex worker yet. Name is mary the prostitute. That's when does she shows she's at the very beginning to she. She sees With oh without not sally. Who's the hand. Yeah the other girl. And george are the husband and wife. Glad she's the pregnant one and yes. George goes up to the elevator about the same time as mary the prostitute and she already talks about how she hates being elevators. And that's the whole reason that they get trapped in the elevator later right and what was going on with the birthday party crowd they were fucking around with the buttons and maybe they were just being like annoying and drunk eighties people which they pulled off perfectly. Yeah i'm watching him. Say i'm alone. Yup mommy's not here guy who that this a stall her killer but truthfully though maybe because this high rise apartment complex is so safe is that is that why it's one of those like because it was not until halfway through the movie. I think that somebody states that the windows were double paned. Bulletproof glass comp. I can't open the windows. It does not look like foreign dignitaries or something staying. I mean these are pretty like basic man. I cannot help but look at the food and stuff because that couple is having dinner to. And i just very. I can't tell if that's bread or old meatloaf yes. I was thinking the same thing as a random played a noodles for summer. That doesn't appear to be there. This guy this kind of like preppy dude. I'm just going to say douchebag because which preppy guy you talking about the one that answers the phone the one that's married to the pregnant girl. He's our main guy in this george yet. He has books with him and they are like. I think he is studying i. It's hard to say. He has one book that says psychic. Don't know but he's rattling off some sort of like antipathy equation. That sounds completely stupid mouth. And he says he has to take a test in the morning and according to where he is in the book. He's like in the preface. He looks like he's learning how to read now. This night is not going to be like a Scientist or like a psychiatrist or something. This is george. George does not have a pick. Well that's why. I'm having trouble finding everybody on imdb because there are no picks and if you do their from demons or demons too. So i'm just onto the chick here. Who is the dog owner and her credit is actually just woman with dog. yes okay. Is she the one that kind of looks like on a gas star from saturday night live and is drinking bourbon. Okay again is it. Morning is at night. it doesn't matter with her right exactly right next. Door ossius fruity pebbles. And she's knocking back. Mickey but Her name is anita bartalucci. Barron just woman with dog. When i saw that dog i was like oh have re dog will be harmed during the making this movie. I like it when they have like lovable. Dogs that are are going to be kind of like antagonistic dogs. You know because it's got all that stuff on its face and it's still like trying not to black. You know i guess. Just adam buddies waggling a frigging hot dog in his face. Yes yes he just looks happy until he gets up prosthetic on. This is her dog right so she here's a scratch at the door and obviously like she's watching this movie too so she's freaked out right so she hears something at the door and there several moments like this in the in the movie where it's just like who's there right. So she goes to the door and the dog does he jumped because she looks through the peephole in the door and the dog is like right is in italy. They have more little people so they kind of cut the difference and put it right in the centre of the door. Right the peoples around your waist. It's called the bardi whole grow such an advantage. I mean job that great. I love them to totally used that. Already hole so she lets the dog in and she says something like oh i forgot i let you out i mean where did she let the dog out. She is in an enclosed the apartment building to go. Take a leak on somebody else's door beg for food. Tear up a pizza container. That sitting outside or something hilarious. It's hard to tell where all of these people are in relation to somebody else because because that little boy ends up in the party apartment. Yeah where sally had her party. And i'm like was he just next door. I don't know yet time and space. What floor are they on our the secluded to one floor. I have no idea unclear because later on their running up and down those stairs like they could be anywhere. I mean like you were saying earlier. At a certain point in this movie there is a group of demons that are just kind of all running together like a pack dogs or something and it does look like donna. The dead a little bit where there's a couple a real good looking demons and the farther back in the crowd you get. It's like the ages. They had those teeth. They had enough teeth for everybody. But as far as like a makeup in that vein That vein type makeup. Not everybody got that. Oh and they use a lot of What would you call it. Vein inflation device absolutely love. Those little Like bladders that are full of air and stuff and the people in the movie when that demon kind of rises again. I loved seeing that face. you know kind of fill itself back up and it looked really cool in the trivia for demons it does mention so the resurrection of the first demon was done by filming a melted wax head and then playing the footage in reverse. Wow that's cool. I knew that i could tell the was in reverse but i wasn't sure how they did that. That's great so and that's so economical to probably was a pretty cheap affect and it looked fucking great and movie within the movie. The one of the characters cuts themselves when they find that demon and she ends up bleeding end to his mouth. Yeah as they're taking the the vacation selfie by the dead demon so avoidable and what is that smoke that they come through. There's a scene where they're walking through wherever the hell they're at. I just the scene of the last movie and this pipe. Just start spraying smoke in their face. And i thought is this going to be like a return of the living dead type thing or that turns them into what i expected. It does steal from a few. Of course. I don't know who returned to the living Probably before returning the living dead. I would think i quick search could tell us. The answer he had smoke was weird. The beginning of this movie is kind of like the beginning of this podcast so far today that we're jumping all over the place. Well it's hard when you don't have a real like structure. I mean this is how you're introduced to all these people it's like. I mean that's what i like about. This is that you know. All they're doing they're setting up demon fodder you know. I think there's a ton of people in tempe will be changed into demons. The way they get their I like a lot very interesting. How the move. The movie within a movie comes into the real world. Oh no specifically the demon comes through the screen and the television. That's that's it. I mean. I love that though. I love that scene where they just. I assume i mean a just like a similar freddie you know in the first one where he kind of bins through that sort of Silk you know. Silkscreen kind of thing But to play the projected video of i assume that person While they're coming through just looked so bad ass Same thing kronenbourg did in a video. Drome bright They project that onto that screen in line at upright and it really looks. It was pretty cool. And there's a transition to where he kind of pops into the room pops into reality them. That was edited that really well to make it hours. A big jump. Qadeer wasn't right. yes he's suddenly there but it wasn't a samara climbing through the screen. Is that now. You don't you don't actually see. Yeah zimmer i think i. I've seen her called different things but have been too lazy to to track down. Save that for when we do Rinku trilogy do that would be awesome. So i think it's kinda neat where sally is watching. When the demon starts coming into the screen and jesse's watching the demon the demon kind of looked straight at her and she's transfixed on this television. Is it turning her on the honestly because she looks like she's getting a you know may smiling and hiding her male and but also maybe the flashing on the screen is is kind of like aetna -tising early there you go but I was going to mention the the kid. I gotta talk about the kid for a second. Okay tommy tommy. Yeah we see a shot of his bedroom. And i swear there's like a A toy necker namakonha on his bed. Why couldn't tell what it was but on the same shot you see a sea and say okay. I mean this kids eight ten years old. Why does he have a c. In say a you know talking about it's a toddler toy. The dut goes mujuru right all care. Lan has one in poltergeist. Do do with that what you wait a minute. Maybe i'm thinking of close encounters that kids way younger oga. I think it's close sorry. It's close encounters in. Yes that that boy is like two right right. What was that kid's name. The dump truck Con his name. Tommy no can we just say that all kids in all movies are just named tommy. And not bob. Whenever you ever met a little boy named bob just bob. Yeah maybe bobby. So the demon comes out of the television screen and get sally yup and turns her but then all the partygoers are trying to coax her out of the bedroom. They light the candles on her birthday cake and so they have. The lights turned down. And that's why they don't see that she's actually demon sally right there to see her in silhouette kinda guy so she comes to blow out her candles on her birthday cake and then attacks everybody and that's how that's how the deem and perpetuates she's just going to throw you halfway across just by barely touching you like a movie. I loved the acrobatics in this film. Oh yeah yeah yeah. Yeah they're ridiculous. Also want tommy's landline phone. That's as vary like eighties looking. I'm trying to see. I've been this whole time. As their painting around tommy's room. I wanna see this economic on that you're talking about. It may have been something just dark and plastic as the automated screen and that could be okay but i swear he had my first necker nala. Con- you know like a playmate supercenter kenner enter my. I know in economic that would. Oh my god guys somebody make that. I'm not gonna do it. But but when. Sally turns into the demon and her eyes are bulging faces shaking. They got it down with the with the teeth. This kind of reminded me of Wasn't there a probably another argentine film called day. Yes very similar. T- th where it like every other tooth as there it's like it's like sharp tooth gum sharp tooth gum it. They're very iconic and they're very specific to this movie. You know. I mean like the people in the know if you see those teeth you're like oh yeah it's from deems but you're right that that like the cover of day gon they're basically the same. Yep good ones and the movie within a movie they actually set this up to that That when they signed a fingernail or nothing. It's a fingernail. Because as they save it when they're like we're going to be rich. We've found a demon fingernail. They said that specifically that the scratch is what. Turn people into demons by like a zombie. Right exact lists typically a scratch. Yes as a little upset that we didn't see that kind of pulsing Boil thing right. Is that at any time in this movie. Not really no. Because that also is pretty What's the word i'm looking for. When you see that you think of demons specific to these movies and gross to the one guy who sent outside to stop ex boy the one that he spends the entire movie outside waiting for his death waiting for the guys to show up so he can turn them away right. she says Who is it like james than she shapes. Yeah don't show up so god this partygoer waiting for jacob. That's what he's credited as right. He kind of looks like Castor troy's brother from face. He's just like a total nerd but he stands out there the entire time. And there's a shot later. When finally jacob shows up which is another so. That's just like the punks in the first demons. This the exact setup right right right four people in a car trying to get to this party which i guess is a state away because they drive for ever to get there. Yeah it is like kind of like mad libs demons like they just picked a different setting and you know but every all the events are basically the same when he was waiting out there for jake to show up and keeps talking about how he's gr- the best driver ever and never get into an accident. Oh my god. It was a missed opportunity. When he actually gets into a car accident he should have rammed the guy outside waiting on him. He's been waiting the entire time. It would just been hilarious that he escaped death not being inside but then he gets run over person. He's trying to stop was that must have been a demon dog yet. You talk about sally's transformation dude because it's Pretty awesome pretty gloomy that acting level that you're getting especially when she's talking about jacob and stuff is like man mean it'd be like bad soap opera acting you know which probably is what she's been in some italian soaps or something but all of that is forgiven for her portrayal when she transforms. How can we assume that that is the same actress i. That's what i wanted to know if it is an incredible. Yeah she had a lot of fun with it yes exactly she really gave it like one hundred ten percent all of the transformation. Things are the same in this one. The teeth pushing out like the like baby teeth coming out blood. The clause cracking the old fingernails and half as bad ass. Her face as i guess should say the the her head you know her fake head. It's pretty cool. I dig it. It's definitely fake but let's do some pretty cool stuff. i love. they brought back. The orange is in the vein how they even show these glowing eyes and the dog later. Don't they yeah. Maybe my god that dog so riddle me this though. Okay so we have The pregnant girl. Hannah and george right. The party is going on pretty close because they can hear the music and she says something like they must be having a good time over there. You know how. I wish i could go over there. If i didn't have this demon child within me that you put in me you know. And i she sends george out to go check on them or something. Yeah and she's just like i hope he dies. I hope he does. It sounds like they're like next door but again. Yeah the spatial sense within this movie. Because he's all over this complex. Yeah it looks like he goes down a couple of hallways he. He's quite a ways away from his apartment. So that party must have been super loud just blasting like a thompson twins. Whatever and that guy. that's waiting. His pants are so high. The drill place. Sally is really making a meal. Out of this She really given it all. It's i dig it. I hardly do yup yup. Yup so are we to believe though the demon blood is like alien. Blood is corrosive and yeah. That's what i got acid yet. And i love that idea that it can just melt through the different floors of the apartment building though. That's that's pretty pretty cool. Didn't happen in the first one. We're not hyper corrosive. Yeah even more than they and if it lands on you then you're dead to we get another glimpse of of the gm setting we. The only nudity in the film is the girl laying on the on them did i. She's on a frigging tanning bed. you see her boobs. Now you see your. But she's laying on her stomach Okay okay yeah and the guy. That's in the little a hyper thing a thing. That is hilarious. Have you ever been in one of those. No i was gonna ask you the same. I have done at once and it is. It felt very strange. Really just your head spoken up. Are you being highly. Esteemed are you a lobster or in the situation. Yeah kind of. Do you have to bring your own lemon and and song. Yeah but drawn yet. Okay you guys just hang out. I'll be delicious in about thirty minutes. Just tear little pieces off of and this isn't necessarily away that you can just masturbate in public and nobody knows your silence answers all the questions. I guess right does the guy that's waiting for jacob. I love it. That's his the guy waiting for jacob. Does he die. Seem to become a demon eventually. Baby i mean everybody. Allots tracker him. Everybody ossetia oh no disaster-hit we'll have to get to that. Okay okay. i got real confused i. I don't think i finished the garage scene and guy walked often. Didn't sound gay. I don't know how that ends the guy that had the blood drip on him while he was in the sauna thing. He's the one that traps the girl in this tanning booth and squish. Is the lid down. Honor that you see just the skins sizzling she's screen. It's basically like if you believe like a tanning bed can become like a panini press or something like he's turning into a grilled cheese sandwich. We're like you said isn't panini and italian sandwich. Yeah i guess it is sure. Sounds like one making myself hungry. Don't talk about the second group of punks heavy quotation marks on punks. They're driving a mercedes aren't they. I mean if you thought the punks in the first movie were a little. Oh how should i say this If those are italian punks. I'm sorry i just. They look like they're going on their way to being a musical cats or something. I can buy that yet. We introduce them. They're just on the way to the party and more fodder down the road yet. So george who went to go check on the partygoers is somehow in the elevator because the music was so loud. This is what i was trying to say. The music is so loud that he was going to go check on them but they must be floors away because he had to get into the l. writer. In which the prostitute gets in the elevator with him which she has already stated. She hates elevators. So she's the one that supposed to be. The sex workers will one kyle. Looks like barbara cramp right. I totally missed that. He was like paying for sex. It's brief but there's like a line of of you know we can do this however you want right right right. I see her name in the cast has been married. I'm with you now. I have a question to differ with the okay of how long somebody becomes hysterical when a woman becomes hysterical as al-qaeda slapper. Oh because she freaks out immediately yeah and he does like the full on fifties like grabs both of her arms accessors slams or up again. You know there's nothing more calming than being just like thrown around a room when you're emotionally disturbed. Shut up woman. Stop crying yeah. There's a rope work in this movie out like they repel up. I laughed out loud when they repelled on the. I thought why actually wrote down. This movie just broke goofy meter because yeah that whole sequences like well of course they repel of this point another thing. Is this just a horror movie trope to that in high stress situations when there is a lot of murder mayhem going on people. Forget how to use doors. Yeah yeah guess thing on doors. They rattled doors. Ri- the knocked out of just the right. You had to use at least eight of them today just to get over ear alvie work you get a bunch of adrenaline dumped into your body. You're going to be a little shaky. I suppose but you don't just completely forget how how doors were everyday items. I'm to the dog transformation. Yes i'm watching that too. Where she just mentioned the double pane glass. Yes to set up the yes. This is kind of like a away is like a house on haunted hill situation. Is that what it was that they're trapped now that there is now gates and bars. That's my yeah kind of like a record a little bit or they're stuck in that apartment building. Okay you know kind of You know showing us a little bit of what we're going to see later which was also ages like pants crapping -ly funny Reveal which we'll get to in the second but That dog starts turning. I just realized this because you said something about the glowing eyes. And i was like. I don't remember seeing the dog's eyes. Glow and i just realized why. It's almost like aliens where it like. A demon like jess stated in two your. You know what. I'm saying like that was a separate thing that was like being born out of the dog like face right. Are we on the same thing. I mean i guess if you use like thing logic it could but it's never done that before right that in low. It's so strange. At the rules of the demons are kind of weird the transformation of this thing protruding through the dog's mouth and it's great. It's great it's fun but the dog is still playing the actions e so it's still a happy dog chasing half. Looks like a very lovable dog that you put like a halloween masks on kind of you look like a made up muzzle that they put on the dog and the and and it for that brief second you see it when the dog is not full prosthetic makeup. Yeah it kind of waddles down the hallway with that thing. I love it is guys. I think you forgot to take this off. I can't eat my kibble right now and it attacked the owner in a vicious fashion. Would you see it kind of rame. It's just like oh he's playing with her. Yeah he's just just push him down. He does that to everybody he likes. Do you have dogs. I think he's just smelling the dogs. These are all. These are all the excuses that i give the people. Yeah that's fun. It wouldn't have been great if i thought the dog was being tortured. It looks like he's having a good time one more thing about the dog. I think it'd be funny. If they had like zoomed in on a fishbowl and one of the goldfish had like little demons off all the pets demon gerbils bird demon t. Mangas demon beak demon. Big demon beat. I guess we have to go back and talk about the Jim there is. I've got paused on a sane. This is an awesome. There is a horde of zombies in the apartment below. Yeah oh my god that scene in the garage where Bobby roads jumps up on the car. Now yeah that kind of looked like the movie the horde dear member that i think it was low budget. It might have been an italian movie. It definitely was not american. Oh you mean the whore day. Yeah exactly with little lord. Lord that's delicious saana fajitas. Anyway just happened to pause it on a. I think they're already in the garage. I think of made it that far on fire. They're kind of yet. The demons want to like scratch and make more of them but they are also interested in just kind of messing things up a lot. you know. it's like pushing things over. There is a shot of this one guy. You probably know who he is. If you've if you've looked at the group but He looks like grandpa munster a little bit because again it looks like he's wearing like a facial mask that he'll rinse off at some point like a exfoliating or something it looks just like grandpa munster and his reaction to a fire being near him as that's awesome something else. I'm watching the scene in the gym. As the yes the demons come in and they're throwing everything adam throwing weights adam. Yes these demons are very very active. I mean they're jumping and yet they look great. Dari origin so i need to see a interview or something with him but I think maybe that was his point. This is his twenty eight days later. Like i'm going to turn the tables and zombies aren't just like this shambling depressing kind of thing. My guys are fucking hurdling cars and able to. I mean it. Basically turns them into Demon bruce jenner's let's you know. But when they run out of the gym and they're trying to get out there going towards the door and everybody's just banging on the door that they cannot get through bobby roads like everybody stand back and decides to smack it with a bar like five times and in picks up this huge planter and throws towards the door like that is going to huge steel bar ceramic separate. He doesn't understand the hierarchy of like materials. How has he not swallowed that piece of gum. Because doing it since demons. Mp's trying to beat the chick from willy wonka record yet violet. You're turning violet. Yup oh wait a minute. I just saw shot that it looked like some girl at crap. Their pants bobby. Roads looks like he might have pooped his drawers to Real saggy sweatpants at forty six thirty. They're running into the parking garage and a girl in white pants turns around and she's got mud but mud but mud but let me see forty-six thirty. oh yeah. it isn't a weird place. Looks like one of the demons was like you know kind of like tossing your salad or something left us. Make up all over so interesting. Good itim yeah mud. But man when bobby roads hands one of the guys a fire extinguisher. And he's like. Well how do i use this guy. He says man your muscles no brains boy. That's got to be a mr t. Line right there. But i mean he's right. That scene ends and he's still looking at the fire extinguisher. I mean granted. These guys are musclebound there flipping cars pushing cars. They look like they've done this before they're ripping seats out of the cars to block the doors to the demons can't get through. Hey guys that car that you just tipped over would have made a perfectly fine barricade on it. We'll you were just doing that for you. You were just doing that to see if you can do it there. It is forty eight six. We get a pano of the boys bed and there's the toy phenomenon. I thought that was like something that had melted in a previous scene. No like when the blood like came through. The i saw that and to me it looked like oh you know what that is. That is like the other castle grace skull. That's like Skeleton wars castle. I'll really get my eyeballs on it. I think you're right because there is. He montoya right there to grinding snake. A blue hippopotamus and then a c. And say that snake mountain. I won't castle gray skull like tattooed on my back. One of the things under those images is a question on google. that just says why a skeleton. When i saw that i was like yeah. What's his deal anyway. This isn't a toy podcast. The movie podcast. Next time on what would we call that. A section of our podcast. That sounds something completely different. And our ratings either went up or completely down who's rating our podcast anyway although no caller on the line. Hey it's it's gary uc again. Oh my goodness airy talk to us Like the kid just has a reagan and a sylvester toy. I do like this chase. Up the stairway establishes the stairwell's right many times very creepy stairwell soon. No light snow. Oh i guess the power went up right. It's got mirrors on the wall. Kind of looks. Like a poltergeist. Three a little bit a little bit. And he just wanders upstairs in end to What their names apartment. Sally sally the demon chick. I like that shot of everybody coming up the stairway So the little boy. He forgot how to use doorknobs to yeah he starts banging on doors just helped me help me and his mom is trying to call him irresponsible parent. It's at least two o'clock in the morning. They were at october fest in there. You have that explain everything. Okay this little kid climbs into the air duct and there was a scene later on where somebody was taking off. What i thought was an air duck. My kept waiting for the boy to come out. Even though i've already seen his demise in another scene. I still wanted him to jump out. Yeah i don't hate him as much as bob but i certainly don't liking. He doesn't have knowing boys. At least i think the His lines oh. Bob can't believe that security guard has managed to live this long. But you forget that you know. Basically the hero of our movie has been trapped in an elevator for the last half hour. Bright he dies and then drools blood into the elevator. It looks like me falling asleep in history class ruling on my desk or something now when there in the parking garage and they're throwing everything. Why did they do start a fire. They're trapped inside of a building. They have no way of escape. And you're gonna start a fire. Why would you do that. Okay at fifty three like thirty. Something you're gonna you're going to see a grandpa munster. He kind of looks like robert loggia. Little bit to beijing are from the flame for the fire. I've got close captioning on. And they just start at eleven rockets you love and rockets and of course it's for the tough gang you know. Of course love and rockets. Is there like theme song to go like do some crimes or whatever earlier though when the smiths were playing my wife was like oh man i had that album. I'm sure you did. Yeah prime eighties. What kind of gun does bobby rose has. Is it just a shot. Guys a double barrel shotgun but like an old tiny one with the two separate triggers. i swore. Didn't he not buyer that. Like it was a machine gun at some. I don't know loyal. he's got the bandelier sheboygan to file was in a trump. okay it's fun like the scavenging part of that whole thing. I like it when they do that. News they just have to kind of like make do with what they find just laying and they just happen to find this kick ass double barrel shotgun from the turn of the century or something that garage door. Is it like made of cement. How can they not get through that. They drove a mercedes into her hacking at it with fire axes. It's like they don't know how to use the tools that they're given so they're like using things all wrong. They're all muscles no brain proving it. I love it that that girl. That pregnant girl is sitting in her apartment. Being like i have the dumbest fiance in the world. He has been gone for. Our people are dying and he is trapped with a strange woman in a with a hooker with a prostitute. Yeah yeah near right. But at least bobby roads takes over the situation and he starts bassem people round. He's a natural manager. I think is he would be good at starbucks. Now wait a minute. Jacob is the punk. That's were waiting on this entire time. Yes i did not realize that. That's what the guys waiting outside for him to show up. No fucking one ear fucking movie on the version that you're watching every once in a while. does it look like they haven't loaded the film properly in the camera. it gets real voters. Yeah yeah there's two seems in particular. Okay just shutters really hard now when it happened. I was like whoa wait a minute. Your camera guy is having a seizure. Yes oh my gosh i forget. I think i skipped over that part. Tommy you know we can reveal. Now i guess just going around knocking on doors or banging on him or banging on doors but He liked kind of plays coy. He kind of like tricks her the pregnant girlfriend into opening the door for him and then kind of like the kid and loss boy is a little bit. How did he get turned. Did he get some blood on them or something. I was trying to if you go back the last time you see him. He kind of hears a noise down one of the hallways and then walks down that hall. Okay so there's a knock at the door. And she goes yeah or she looks through the peephole but she doesn't see anything right which i guess she doesn't have the dog peephole exactly. She didn't pay for the upgrade But yeah when he starts coming through the door. And i mean you expected it. Yeah it was good it will. Yeah i love it all right. So i gotta talk about this guy that little kid and we'll see here in demons trivia here. The little demon boy was played by an adult dwarf. Okay my wife. And i both. I mean this. I don't want this to sound disrespectful at all but we were watching it like. Can you tell if that's because that was my first instinct makeup. You know they're not gonna do the plus he's gotta sit still for that whole birth scene you know I mean my wife and i laughed and laughed at this. I mean in a movie. I it's ridiculous and the the critter. I actually thought though that this little demon boy looked smaller so the dwarf looks smaller than the boy. He was actually playing. Yeah i i see that to kind of. Yeah so our little demon boy. Little demon tommy. Just like we were in demons. Were we had the demon come out of the back of one of the girls yes a now. A smaller demon calicut trilogy of terror. Oh i don't even know what i mean. The special effects in dooley's were probably better. I mean it looks like something that was a cartoon and then you can now buy and like the disney like a like the gift shop or something. It looks ridiculous. It looks cute as what it is my wife. I don't think he was really into this movie Until she saw that and it was so charles band dish very much so that she was all in she just kept. She just kept going. Oh thing running around stop taking. That took me so out of the movie. Why i mean everything up to this point is terrifying also the special effects are really good and then you see something like that and you're just saying mean if you're going to do something do like the first movie and have a little person. I mean. that is kind of weird like he had already transformed and then was just a like husk like they shed their skin and then turned into a stupider thing. You know what i mean either. Give me just the kid or normal kid that a demon hatches out of but that stupid thing and god not a guli. I laughed so hard that that are pregnant girl. Yeah she grabbed a towel. And joe over its head to foil. This demon run around trying to get her she just throws a towel over it and runs and hides in the place that you're most terrified of right. Yeah one of these by full door closets. Yes that nobody can seem to get through. I mean You know jamie. Lee curtis managed one but it was the real iffy she tries to clip. Its nails. I just got a bunch of beauty products. And she's like well. Let me just get this longest one here. I can't stand it when it's like tapping the ground when it wants but no spring jumps over her onto the demon trap murphy bed well. Let's let's be clear here. Someone swings on a line and it it goes over there. I laughed so hard. I mean it was delightful but it doesn't fit it doesn't fit with the tone of the rest of the movie and the fact that she has a giant bottle of poison. Literally from a tom and jerry cartoon it has a big skull and crossbones on the where she keeping that in the spice cabinet unclear. Well like i said she runs and gets it from a table that makes it look like She was getting ready to serve her husband. Yeah poison like rc's little cocktail for mr gone for an hour and a half. Yes you were just trapped in an elevator with a prostitute. yeah right. I buy every bit of exactly. You're all sweaty showing ripped. They're going to have to go through some therapy. When this laallam. I do dig that when when her husband is trying to escape from the elevator and he's climbing up the cables and the demon starts climbing up after him and he the demons climbing faster is like who can climb the rope the fastest gym class. Yeah but they have a little fight. That was real reminiscent of soldier with kurt. Russell he's Yeah yeah same exact. see Yeah also a little kind of evil dead is because he's like kind of like kicking her head and they have a little like murphy bed in their how than their apartment is. I don't know if it's for like a few like a changing bed for a baby. Maybe in the future she has at kid. I don't know but the picture on the backside of that with the right kind of airbrush. Hope that the poster. No but i want. Is that the poster of the movie. Actually when you look at this on prime video. It has that picture for the. That's what i was wondering. If that was the poster art for the for the whole imagine that would be a very whoever rented. That would be very disappointed. I think it's gonna be like an italian meatballs or something italian meatballs. God did i just say that. We're stopping the podcasts. Until further notice. I'm gonna go into the mountains and meditate. Hey tres in pre cats. It's tim from the moratorium. Do like the sweet sounds of our witty banter in your ears every week. We'll head on over to our patriot on and for only three dollars a month. You can get even more in the director's cuts of our movie episodes on average. That's twenty minutes. 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He rode the elevator thing. All the way up to the roof. Yeah and then somehow came back down to his apartment to finally find his wife being attacked by the demon by this little julie demon yes and which she had to have been scratched. It's like pokey everywhere trying to pick up like a horny toad or something. You're right i see the demons looking over the railing and all think of is Steve standing napa. Know if it certainly does. Okay somebody edit edit this movie together where it will was. That was that full collins. No that was not go call was that that was sir elton john. Oh that's right. Oh my god. Wow never mind guys never anything. Killing the little gremlin guli demon with an umbrella. Yeah i find with that but once. He shoved the demon through the wall. I wanted the umbrella to open. Yeah that would have been good. I would have enjoyed that immensely. And then somebody says that's like seven years of bad luck or whatever. Isn't that a bad thing. Sure sure it's a superstition right right right. Oh my god all right. I just saw the guy that like he was in a chorus line like sailed over. That did like he was expecting patrick. Swayze squeezy patrick swayze both the italian patrick swayze. Yeah patrick ios cuase. I'm in the parking garage to watching. This goes on and on and that one guy gets thrown over the car and into the sunroof. Yeah okay he did that on purpose. Yes he did Again aussie as the probably best actor in this scene. Although i'm bobby roads fan. Oh speaking of right in the mess bobby. Roads got it in the grote. S- oh singing opera. He's wearing sweats too. So that's full. Get every part of it. Oh man we call that the reverse like screw. It's worse when it's reverse. Who is kim from the backside. Hang on let me type down. It's worse when it's reverse but yes. Many of these demons have nothing but a mask on some of them. Like i said just have that dawn of the dead makeup where it ends right there. It's just their face not on their neck or you know that guy that ramp that beamer. That looked like front. Yeah vamping in a parking garage. I feel like if i was the actor. I'd be like akkad. Do that let me just living. Drive thing Ozzy his father though is How he takes on like six of them. Yeah it's funny in this movie. Like he's the good guy and like i said. All i know him from supersonic man. He's a good guy in that and he seems like a little more handsome and a little more like physically like he's bigger like he's been working out. Looks kinda schlumpy in this movie a little bit. Maybe it's just what he's wearing he's supposed to be like a working dad or papa. I like that scene when all the demons are looking at are kind of mugging for Assia this disa- around her in the car. Yup that's pretty sweet and again. The girl that plays sally is just them this shit. She's one of the only ones that when i mean they really like lube up her teeth. How are like strung together with glue. P- yes exactly. It's like the rubber band you know things. They put on people with With braces yes either. Demon braces demon breakouts. So george and his pregnant wife. They escape their little flag to go next door to see. The party was going on next door right. They just walked next. Why did he get in the elevator in the first place. I have no idea what was even going. Oh yeah you said it was about the party. Yeah why does she just like pinch off a piece of frosting. Because she's pregnant. Well that's what i thought like. She she smiles. She's like i'm kinda hungry and there's like a table full of cakes but then she grabs. I mean maybe that's when you're pregnant to. She grabbed it in scotia she's like. Oh the made me nauseous. But george escapes and somehow comes back with full repelling gear. Where did he find. Where did that come from the repel closet. Usually they put more emphasis on like kind of the gearing up saying you know now he's got his stuff and got gotta music montage. Got that lag. I'm the descent those Climbing axes which man those fucking things look like they would tear. Somebody's head off the damn good monster weapon but he actually improvises a trap by breaking the gas line to yet. There's a little access thing reno safety features at all rise it open and there's like gas like it would be so funny if they cut back to him and his eyebrows are gone and like inch and a half of his hair is like burnt. Back bald onto ed. That would have been good. That would have been hilarious but no his shirt is ripped open like he is lost all the buttons on his shirt. He's lost his sleeves. He's lost his buttons in israel. Hawk got a hundred feet of rope that he just found in the janitors closet. She's looking more pregnant as she was doing situps earlier. Now she's in this dress and it's like hurting big. I did like it when one of the guys trying to escape with them turned into a demon and he throws over the balcony. We waited for that to happen down the jail yet. I would have been so mad. If that didn't really and another mannequin. And that's probably why he decided okay every demon can be launched and yet he throws another one off the top of the building yet later on. There's just a guy in a cowboy hat and he falls off for no reason. So this nerd. How did he even know how to repel. I don't understand how that's the easiest option. Now i guess the elevators broken the stairs full of demons. I dunno. I still think. I would take my chances with the stairs. I don't know. Maybe i'm the maybe we'd all die in charge. He just threw that other chick off the building or the mannequin. That was supposed to represent that chick. Fire blind sally in her own is yeah. He mentioned that here in a minute that she's blind or whatever how does he know. I don't know but she was the only one to escape that fire. They are kind of just fell down. Yeah and then. We've got george repelling. His very pregnant wife is she's piggybacked on him. She's got little booty on. Yeah of like little cheerleading shorts. Which i appreciate. I mean that will. It's just that there were several times where they could have and this is. Italy would have shown us her panties. But i i don't know if that's one of those things that they were afraid that if they decided this was taboo. Don't they draw the line at pregnant. I guess oh my god. Sally doing the australian repelling down that dude. That is guy really doing that. You know it had to be. I think when we were watching it last night we were like. Oh my god. That was another big laugh from us when that happened. Yeah it's she comes down quick face. I that's creepiest shit. Yup i mean. I just thought that they were lowering them with something. But i think that was a guy that was just like i could do that. Why do you call it. A stralia at swat. It's called julie. Oh i didn't look it up everything when it looks tough to do you just say. It's the australian version. So george and his wife get off the building they. They're out on the street. Why do they go into the studio. Where is the studio. Why do they go indoors because of their crippling stupidity i think because she started a her belly was hurting so i thought was signed a spot so she could have her baby real quick and then they could get on with escaping dodger. This looks like a good place like you said it kind of looks like the theater that was in demons of the same set. Probably the same building and they probably started filming one month after the success of demons. Yes behalf to capitalize on that. That's one of the things in that. Joe baba low monologue that he did about. This is that In germany where demons the original one was filmed demons was banned in germany right when he came out so demons to since they cut all of that stuff out which all of that stuff. This is just as gross as demons. You know what i mean. Yeah i i don't know what they were talking about like trying to make it cleaner for like tv. Or whatever but I see demons to actually came out in germany before demons one interesting. But if you switch these around you know. They really don't correlate it's like watching evil dead and evil dead to the s just more of the same. so she's given birth to this baby. Yeah all right. And i'm going to have to read this from the trivia because but it says the scene where hannah has a baby was not a part of the original script. Originally hannah's baby would become a demon inside her and claw. Its way out. Well yeah that's what we wanted. We expected this. Yes exactly but the scene was taken out when lamberto bava and your gento decided. They wanted a happier ending for once. I don't know and we wanted it. We paid for this. Yeah the last seven minutes of the film. I'll i'm thinking of is wins. Baby gonna turn wins his gonna turn come on yes come on and it didn't give it to us want to see that thing flying somebody attacking also that kid came out like a slick. His mom's vagina was like a car. Wash there's not a speck of anything on it. Goes back to the italian bush. It's kind of a scrubbing effect. It's horrible so how sally the demon has made has found her way into the movie studio where they are looking grocer now gums or black and her teeth also like even funkier than they were that one solid white i s you stumbling through just falling over things tell you that actress is really. Yeah something else is says wheezing and growling on the closed captioning. So did the demon. Just die she just end. Transfer herself into unclear. I'm completely unclear. Creepy though the shot in the tv of her laying there dead with their eyes open. It looks really. You're right that and then he kind of loses interest in in smashing the tv's because she stood there still like seven. Tv's that he didn't break just broke. The one i like. So there's a picture of sally running which was from an earlier in the film. Yes zemun makeup running towards the set. Yes he didn't actually see the demon. Come through the television screen. So why he freak out and start smashing television screens. I didn't make. I don't know because in all other aspects he seems like a complete idiot. Why didn't they just have a scene where he was killing sally. I i don't know so. I wanna show here that you can see when they start running out of the the building. Everything has mirrored glass or whatever on it yet right behind them you can see shot of the crew. Oh yeah yeah. Yeah it looks like somebody ducks down and shit. And that's our final year file thing. So this chick just gave birth. Yes gave unlike seven minutes ago minutes ago and she is fine. No she's great. I mean they didn't even cut the umbilical cord. No no no no need to do. Is that part of the car. Wash the italian car wash recalling that now we are they go outside unlike tonsil box like the end credits like the word you call it. Console box council boxing and she's she's instigating it again. She just had a baby like seven minutes ago. She is ready to make another one. I guess italian women. Tom com tasteless. Our audience would not appreciate that. Joe wasn't they would they would they. I don't know we are. We say we don't know who our audience is so please guys send us an email anything anything message in a bottle not an instant message on facebook because i will answer unless it's specific to the podcast. I have yet to receive a specific message. It's just As immediately after. I friends somebody and put them into the facebook group. I get a hi. how are you yeah no. I'm not falling for this. One hundred dollar amazon gift card waiting on you. Lewin happens if you click that link. You lose your identity i senate. You're out on the street. Nick nolte losing your religion. Yeah exactly well That was another italian horror movie very similar to the one that we did last week very similar. Which do you like better really. I think i like this one. Yeah it's good. It was fun you have. I mean i it even has less of a plot than the first one because at least the first one set up the mask and australia's and all that this didn't even didn't bother. But i appreciate that. You know. We're adults like you don't have to be spoonfeed us all of this crap. If you're watching this it's called dim oni to her demons to dimona what you're in for debone. Mo you're never going to click on it and think it's like Like an agatha christie novel. Orson right i. It's it's pretty apparent what you're in for and being directed by lamberto bava produced by dr gento e gotta love said dream team. This is why we're going to continue going back to the italians weight and you almost forgot written by dr donald such eddie dude. I came upon him again today in something else. He was prolific to say the least. He is probably the reason for all of this. Yeah he is and we need to talk about him. In-depth yup. I mean there are so many of these and the italian filmmakers are so inventive and so like you know fearless about doing some of this insane shit. I dare say we'll be back again. I mean we still have what we got. We got more full she. We haven't done zombie yet or zombie to. We wanna do the church but not next week. We're not gonna do this next week for the trilogy but he. I think it's going to be a separate entity for the church but we will make it there. Yeah yeah yeah we it needs to be talked about. Yeah so great. Our guys where. I think we did it. Finally all right yet. That was a good one. we We had a lot of fun talking about this and a lot of it. We didn't talk about your lotta odds and ends. I forgot to say that That turn real Turned really into die. Hard at the end. Yeah as scrolling down through amazon and there's two reviews have die hard in the subject in the title of them so it's thought that to the roof of the apartment building really should've blown up though the in our willis. Let's wrap this bitch up what you say all right. Everybody where they can find this jason. We are at the moratorium dot com dot com. You can find everything a link to everything that we do here on the moratorium dot com not stamps dot com. Don't get us. Confused them right because those sound so similar. If you want to us help us bring this witty banter. 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It's the Season 3 Post Season! (AKA Will You Just Shut Up Already, Sherpa?)

Too Many Podcasts!

13:32 min | 11 months ago

It's the Season 3 Post Season! (AKA Will You Just Shut Up Already, Sherpa?)

"Hello. And welcome to the post-season season. Three finale of too many podcasts. It's May Jim, the PODCAST SHERPA had. How I saw, this is usually a little mini episode nobody interview just word of thanks to a lot of people in some chipper suggestions in a little bit of a preview of what you're in four in season four. What we get started, why don't I just tell you that today's podcast is being brought to you by audible and you can get a free audiobook download and a thirty day free trial at www dot audible trial dot com slash Sherpa there's over a Hutton. Early, thousand titles to choose from for your iphone android kindle or MP three player. Who Do we think we start off with our thanks to you I the rebels out they're the ones who keep coming back and checking out the show and putting up with me still keep coming back to the show in keeping up with me and so on and so forth. Thank you very much for your patience and your support more than anything else and your friendship you'll know that you. Can follow me on social media on twitter facebook and Instagram at sherp pollution. So you can find out what's going on with the show. Usually I talk about people that I've interviewed, and you'll usually TV articles about the shows that when they debut, and there's usually some information about my website sure pollution dot com where we have the calendar for the month for all the upcoming shows for that month. So this way you kind of know what to expect, but sometimes my show. You never know what to expect especially with season four that's coming up. GotTa. Tell you that much. But again to all you rebels you listeners and all you newcomers. Thank you so much for listening. I. Really Really do appreciate that and I'll always try and remember to say that at the end of every season, and even if this is the first episode that you just started listening to don't worry this plenty of shows you can catch up on, it's not really two sequential. More evolutionary than sequential I guess you can listen on your favorite podcast APP Oregon on my website shep Lucien Dot Com. Okay. Saying that till you go visit go visit sherp dilution and I know it's not a real word. It's a word I made up because it's important for this Sherpur thing to grow. So that's why it's a short pollution that's the simplest explanation I can give to you but you can find lots of stuff on the website will the PODCASTS, all the show notes known as the SHERP sheets, and there's a little bit of music on the podcast as well, and there's a form there. If you want to send me a question or even if you'd like to be on the shelf, maybe you have a social media presence or even a podcast that would be fantastic. I don't know that you want people to know about you know just drop me a line and I can get it from there or. You can also email me at Jim the PODCAST SHERPA AT L. Dot Com. Haven't said that one in a while and the only other thing I would ask my rebels to do is when you're hearing these shows, if you can't leave a kind word on maybe apple podcasts or stitcher or Iheartradio, and let people know that you're enjoying this show that they should check it out. If you're listening on a computer, there's always links there and you can share those links. To your social media pages and just say, Hey, check this podcast APP maybe you might like it maybe not but that's all right with spread the word let people know let's the best way we can grow I can only tell so many people at one time we are growing I think what? The forty five states in the US in like thirty countries it's it's growing it's not massive, but I don't the Australians Canadians really liked me in Korea South Korea as well. Trying. To figure that one out, I don't know but hey. Thank you very much. South Korea. Thank you very much Australia I guess maybe Australia because Mr Bruce, we've had lots of guests from Australia in the early days got to get some more Australian guests on here. Maybe we can have a return visit from Mr Bruce at some point I would like that and he's doing very well by the way. So who else do we have to? Thank? Well, let's go down the order of the show and it'll be nice and quick, and in our Sherpa suggestions which we'll do after commercial you'll be hearing the Names of all the podcasts that you can check out. So the season started off with a two part interview with Mr Larry Rankin who's been on friends he's been on Seinfeld. He's been on planes, trains, automobiles. He's been on El Camino on net flicks, and he's got a lot of stories. There was a really fun interview with him and I really appreciate him spending all that time. We also had director the lovely lottery who has her own podcast called beyond Garnett or Garnet depending on where you're from I remember her saying that and we also. Jack o'halloran who played non. Superman movies and he is the author of legacy get a lot of other stuff too and we had newcomer director producer Russell Rap as well. That was all on Hollywood week. Well, we'll get back to how he would weaken a little bit and we had a return visit from my friends lower in nick of just now science and they were so helpful with their information that they provided on the covid nineteen virus. You remember that thing hopefully, you'll be listening to this years later and it will have been forgotten because a lot of people would really rather forget about it too. We also had in the screening room. Mr Carmine Carolina who directs and acts and special arts and as a super nice guy that we talked to the guys from try not to laugh Brandon Andy we got talk to comedian Mike Kaplan and he was really funny and super. Nice. Guy. Mr Michael Glenmore and GM as I call them from inner city like yours. We did child actor we did Oliver Robins who was in poltergeist airplane to end the new one celebrity crush check that movie out and also we had Scott Schwartz who did the toy Kiko and was flick inequalities story and finally we talked to Jeff Voorhees who played the kid who got eaten by the Shark Jonas Dunton. That okay. We won't get hit with a copyright lawsuit. With that. We got to meet Tammy. TGI We spoke to author Neil Perry. Gordon who wrote a bomb squad clash of the Patriots we talked to Robbie, Clark of cinema soapbox at Comic, Steve Loose team, one of my favorite interviews because he was so funded the poor guy was sick as a dog and he was still funny and we talked to David the norseman Williams of socially disabled veterans and that was a great interview. He's a really fascinating guy and really inspiring especially for people who are veterans. If you know someone that's veteran, tell them to check out the interview also check out David's podcast also talked to Mr Joe Alves who was. The Art director on joys and helped create the Shar. His name was Bruce by the way that Mr Bruce but Bruce Shark and we also spoke to Mr Christopher of Rome of the mist entertainment and he's got a little podcast network thing going on there with a whole bunch of good shows on their check out his podcast and you'll see all the other ones that are on there and that group also contains a lot of people who've already been guests on the show. Also during the season we had Mr. Abrahams Ramsey of the Leo effects you know at Asha he was great and I got to be on his show to and had a lot of fun on his show and we also. Had Pro wrestlers Texas truck ooh I can't do it and the Keita Bresnik off gentlemen. Thank you so much and thank you for not killing me throwing the through a table I really appreciate that we did faces to watch with Charlie Marie and Joe Walker and down. Niehaus and Eric James Morris thank you for of you and we hope to see some more future work and seeing you guys on the screen and I cannot stress enough. The huge assistance that I got from this guy actually made two appearances. This season, his name is Steve Joyner. He's the publicist that I've been working with and he's been getting me all these incredible guests and you got to see what he's got lined up for. Me that still going to be in season four I know I'm really hyping season four but even enjoy it, and finally for the finale you heard him last week he was great. Mr. Shawn Canaan you've been karate kid. He's the creator of the Amazon Prime Video Show Studio City. Are you checking it out nine a soap opera? Definitely a tip of. The. Hat to the soap opera but showed incredible got nominated for a whole bunch of awards including some daytime emmys and their incredible cast. So to all of you, I say thank you very much for making season three what it was, and that's something to be very proud. Of K., we'll take a little break and we'll come back with some Sherpa suggestions. Okay, here are your Sherp suggestions and this time around. These folks will have podcasts and. And now it's time for sure suggestions. Okay it's time for Sherpa suggestions, and this week's choices are podcasts whose hosts has been on the show in season three. So I one we had was Lorne Nick of course of just no science love those guys they're incredible. Soon, you'll be getting. Joel someplace disturbed some rights Adam maybe. Ultra box of A. Complete Stranger sent. That'll that'll work. I don't know what that means. We also have try not to laugh. Sorry blew that one with Brandon and Andy in the city like yours with Mr Michael. Glenmore. TGI With Tammy. Cinema Soapbox with Robbie Clark. David, the norseman Williams and socially disabled veterans. And also the Leo Effects. Definitely a fun interview show and I can vouch that myself. And Breaking the Fourth Wall with Mr Christopher Style and he's Like I said the owner of realm of the mist entertainment and there's a whole other budget podcasts in that network as well as Stephen Joyner the J network is a whole bunch of podcast, his network, some of them are the same. One of includes. This. All sound, the gun, and then we'll. Talk about what happens in season. Okay I'm sure you're wondering what's going on for season four well, I can tell you what's going on for season for we've got a whole bunch of interesting guests you know ask trump my list. And there it is how we found it. So now I can tell you on season four I know she's in threes over, but I'm very far into season four as far as interviews are concerned and I'm actually almost done. So I basically just piece everything together and slapped my name on it and get it out there for you on your favorite podcast. APP. Or you can also listen on my website Cheer Volition Dot Com you can do either one whichever. Works for you I like to make things before you lose coming up. You know we've got lots of podcasters, of course, the too many podcasts portion and a lot of fun book speaking with many of them, and of course, were people from the entertainment world in the SHERP screening whom I will be speaking with actor Robert Wall who was the star of Arles and he was a stand up comic he was in Bull Durham and good morning Vietnam and man. And we had a really neat conversation and also had so much fun speaking with Bruce Vallance who was on Hollywood squares for many years and has written a lot of classic TV episodes and he had some wonderful stories you're going to really like show I'm also going to be taking a different twists and turns also be interviewing opera singer, zero Manetti and we'll be talking. To, learn about opera that's cool and I will be speaking with gentlemen who has a vegetarian podcast and publicly one of the more different episodes said I'll be doing in season four is an interview with lady named Lisa Bag Beach. He was really nice to come on and tell her story. She's working on a book called I am that girl and the story that he has to tell is really financial. It's really unbelievable story. Go when you hear it, you see that it was a really powerful episode too but when when comes up just keep an eye on my social media post to get a heads up or even the website because that's Where you can find out about my episodes in advance. So thanks a lot for listening to season three or if you're just starting if you're going to listen to season four thanks in advance, you can catch up to seasons one through three right there on whatever your listening to. You know what Mr Bruce since the finale I will escort everyone to the door Egypt kickbacks. Sir, you've done a lot of hard work for me. This is my way of saying thank you and thank you to everyone else who's been on the show this season two and thanks in advanced all the folks who will be appearing on season four till next time. Vive lsu pollution. Thanks for listening to too many podcasts. Please dispose. You can go home now. I said you can go home now. Viva ship elision. He. Yell come back now you're here

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Federal Reserve Pledges Action as U.S. GDP Shrinks

WSJ What's News

12:05 min | 1 year ago

Federal Reserve Pledges Action as U.S. GDP Shrinks

"News laws and regulations are changing by the day we get it and at ADP. We're here to help guide you with up to the minute compliance expertise so you can pay your people accurately and on-time regardless of what each new day brain learn more at ADP DOT com. A potential drug treatment for the corona virus is sparking hope despite mixed results and with the recession all but certain the Federal Reserve is pulling out all the stops to support the economy. We can do what we can do. And we will do it to the absolute limit of those powers we will. We'll keep at it and you just want people to know that we we will be at it with with the legal authorities that we have until we get through this thing. It's Wednesday April twenty ninth. I'm Marie for totally for the Wall Street Journal. Here's what's news. The stock market rallied a bit today on hopes of progress for coronavirus drug treatment and after Federal Reserve Chair. Jerome Powell made it clear. The central bank is in no hurry to end. Its economic stimulus measures. All major indexes were up. We'll talk more about the Fed and the overall economy later in the show with regards to that drug treatment. Shares of Gilead Sciences closed up five point seven percent after it reported that patients taking its antiviral drug rim. Desa VIR showed a speedier recovery than patients taking a placebo in a large study funded by the US government our health reporter Joe Walker has more details. People have been watching this trial really closely because it's a large study comparing this drug to placebo and it's sort of the gold standard for the way to do clinical trials. So the idea is. We think that it's the first and best sort of look at whether this truck really works treating Cova nineteen and if it does it could become the first road proven to actually be effective against this disease. A separate study of the drug out of China posted negative results today but researchers there say they needed more testing. Their trial was shut down early. Because it was hard to recruit subjects as the pandemic slowed analysts are still cautioning that the drug is unlikely to be a silver bullet. Obviously it would be really great if this works and cove in nineteen. I think the expectation though at this point is that if it does work. It's not the type of thing that everybody would get. If you've got the virus you know. It's an intravenously administered drug for people who are hospitalized so we can really make a difference in in helping people who are very very sick but isn't sort of the vaccine. It's not a pill so I would just say. Take some caution. There in terms of expectations for the magnitude of its impact corporations have been reporting first-quarter earnings all week shares of alphabet. Google's parent company climbed nearly ten percent after it posted strong results. Facebook shares rose more than six percent ahead of its earnings report which came after the bell. Deputy Business Editor George. Stall says so far. The impact of the corona virus on business is largely falling into two main camps broadly. Speaking we've seen stronger results from companies that service consumers in their homes Netflix saw a surge in new subscribers to its streaming video service consumer product makers benefited from people stockpiling up on the cities and even a company like Hasbro which makes traditional board games like connect four monopoly. An operation reported a twenty five percent jump in sales of such products not surprisingly companies that we depend on when we leave the house have struggled talking about automakers the airline industry the tourism industry and the question going forward is how temporary are some of these shifts that we are seeing in consumer patterns and which may be longer lasting. Boeing. Ceo says the pandemic dealt a body blow to its business aerospace giant burned through four point seven billion dollars in cash in the first quarter. That's less than analysts. Had expected but Boeing is now planning to cut thousands of jobs about ten percent of its workforce and take on more debt. The trump administration has placed five of Amazon's foreign platforms on a list of notorious markets. The US believes are facilitating the sale of counterfeit and pirated goods. That includes Amazon's domains in Canada France Germany India and the UK Amazon is calling the designation a purely political act. President trump has frequently criticised Amazon and its founder and Chief Executive Jeff bezos but payroll and. Hr Company needs to be prepared for whatever's going to happen. You could say that. Over seventy years of experience helping businesses all over the world run. Smoothly is good preparation but for ADP. That's not enough to make. Millions of people are getting paid on time and incompliance. We're staying on top of each new piece of legislation so when it comes down to it. Adp isn't just a payroll and HR company. We're the company that helps you navigate the complexities. Adp HR talent time benefits and payroll informed by data and designed for people to the US. Economy shrank in the first quarter by the fastest pace since the last recession according to data from the Commerce Department the GDP which is the broadest measure of goods and services produced across the economy contracted at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of four point. Eight percent economists say. That's a client marks. The beginning of near-certain recession that economic outlook was the backdrop for Federal Reserve chairman? Jerome Powell who spoke at the conclusion of the Fed's two-day policy meeting we can do we can do. And we will do it to the absolute limit of those powers we will. We'll keep at it and you just want people to know that we're we will be at it with with the legal authorities that we have until we get through this thing joining me now with more as our economics reporter. Harriet Tory Harriet. Let's start with GDP which shrank four point eight percent in the first quarter. That's a significant amount in some economists. Say That indicates pretty certainly the beginning of a recession. Can you put this in context for us? Yes so the first quarter runs from January to March and we only really saw the virus. Stocks are spread in the US significantly in March and the economy really shutdown essentially for the last two to three weeks. So we're talking about a very small sliver of the first quarter but nonetheless. The impact was absolutely enormous. We saw a huge drop in spending by consumers particularly on services and services spending makes up a huge it makes up nearly half of GDP GDP. So we're talking about a big part of the economy. And this is everything. The suspending on doctor's visits the suspending on legal advice at spending on haircuts a huge part of the economy and it just collapsed social distancing really put the wind up people and they They really held off on spending Outside of the home we did see some increases in spending for instance on food. You know people were stockpiling so they were spending a bit but we've just seen this huge loss of in confidence that people had an in going out and spending money in that is really the lifeblood of the US economy. We're also hearing that. It's likely to get even worse in the second quarter right. That's right because the second quarter started in April and now nilly at the end of April and Columbia has been essentially shut down for entire month and is likely to be. I mean some states is beginning to ribbon. But we're talking about reopening on a more limited scale a lot of restaurants for instance operating at reduced capacity places. Anyone few people to come into the store to into the Salon of the time in order to maintain some kinds of social distancing so I think most people think it's unlikely that we're going to see sports stadiums full of concerts and festivals and sporting events In the coming weeks so it does look like the hid in the well. You know fed chairman. Jerome Powell said that this is We're GONNA see data in the second quarter. Unlike any data we've ever seen. Let's turn to the Federal Reserve which has been taking action already to shore up the economy in ways. It's rarely done before today. The Fed said it's prepared to take aggressive action. Here's Fed Chair Jerome Powell. We are deploying. These lending powers to an unprecedented extent enabled in large part by the financial backing and support from Congress and the Treasury. We will continue to use these powers forcefully proactively and aggressively until we're confident that we are solidly on the road to recovery. Harriet tell us more about the. Fed's plan what they're going to be doing going forward. Well Essentially Jerome Powell saying that the Fed is is prepared to do whatever it can to support the economy but another point that he made at his press conference was that the the depth and duration of the economic downturn. This is very uncertain and it will also depend in large part on how quickly the viruses board control and he may try here that that is that will depend on policy. Actions taken all levels of government. There are things that the Fed can do. Particularly to ensure that liquidity is continuing to flow the businesses and markets functioning correct correctly and of course a cold rates down to the zero lower bound in. Mont. so you know it is using all of its ammo because you know. The Fed is keen to meet its objectives but one thing that the Fed chairman did say today was that A. It's very onset and we don't know how long this is going to last. You know many economists thing but this will be we'll see these big downturns in the first and the second quarters and that things will start to pick up in the second half of the year and that could well happen because as Powell said today this the you know the sudden stop. Economic activity was exogenous shock. This wasn't ju to the financial markets. Seizing up some issue or some bubble. This was done to protect people from the virus. So all things being well you know perhaps if people feel confident enough to go out and go back to work and go back to sort of spending malls and restaurants than economic activity could recover very quickly but he did say that there are a lot of IFS in that scenario right and he did talk a little bit about the path ahead in the second quarter this time now is going to be a time of sharp contraction in economic activity high unemployment Personal consumption expense expenditures have declined sharply business investment as well unemployment moved up We're GONNA see economic data for the second quarter that's worse than any data we've seen for the economy and there are a direct consequence of the disease in the measures that were taken to protect ourselves from it. Harry that sounds like it's going to be tough you months. Yeah and economists definitely stating themselves for some record-breaking kinds in GDP and also unfortunately perhaps even some record-breaking increases in unemployment. We have April jobs report coming next. Speak and it's expected to be in the double digits of the first time in the decade and could be even higher so the downtown is extremely severe. I mean Powell said it's unlike anything that he and his lifetime however looking for woods we have this news today and yet markets have been rallying because they're all sort of signs of signs that might be cures out the The five that some states getting back to work is perhaps an indication that that kind of over the worst. That's of course a big if they could be a second wave third wave we just don't know the virus the coolest of the virus but People are already sort of stunning to the head and so to try and figure out. What the economy's recovery is going to. Wall Street Journal Economics Reporter. Harriet Tory. Harriet thank you so much for joining me. Thanks and that's what's news for this Wednesday afternoon. We'll be back tomorrow morning if you like our show. Please rate and review US wherever you get your podcasts. I'm angry for totally for the wall. Street Journal thanks for listening.

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Good Morning Niner Empire 10/09/2020

Niner Faithful Radio

11:43 min | 9 months ago

Good Morning Niner Empire 10/09/2020

"Hey everyone, this is Jamie from Good Morning Niner Empire from 9 or 5th or radio.com. Let me tell you about graphic Munger. They're keeping your business are going extinct. Take a turn your ideas to agree with their graphic design team there your source for custom logo designs apparel decals and more. Don't wait any longer and call graphic Monger at 360-460-8526 regarding Facebook and look them up at at graphic monger. And if you mentioned our net sales for radio, you'll get a discount. So please go check them out. All right, let's get back to the office. I am good morning Forty Niner Empire. My name is Jamie. Today is October 9th. 2020. Let's get into some 49er news here is what 49ers defensive coordinator. Rob had to say about mobile QB's. I'm trying to defend mobile quarterbacks. What's the coaching point in a situation like Dion Jordan when when Carson scored a touchdown last week and and obviously that he's not the only defensive end that that's happened to but what's what what do you tell those guys and what's the key for them and those situations? So the there's there's different ways. You can approach a mobile quarterback when you're talking about just designed run plays when we played Kyler Murray, we played where you can call a surf technique wage. We've also played them where we take that in and have them dive on take the dive. So we have multiple ways that we play it in that first week. I think we limited Colorado so a couple of carrying on as on those own reads for minimal yardage and then when you get two teams like Daniel Jones and we'll use Carson off, you know, you you can still play two ways. You can have the end take it as a as a base rule or you can whether you and then the line back would scrape off the outside or or you can surf it or you can sit in the back up to the quarterback. So there's different ways you can play it and so just without getting into too much detail on what the actual design of that play was. There's just multiple ways that you can place Quarterback and clearly there was there was a miscommunication Robert sell also talks about rookie. Devon canlon's gross so far Robert after Solomon went out with with Kim Law. Have you found yourself having to ask more of him in terms of snaps or responsibilities? And how have you seen him grow over the first four weeks, you know, I don't know if we've had to really ask Kim Law to do more. I think he's just learning be honest with you when you when you watch them play. He's getting better every single week. He's going to be a dynamic football player in this league as soon as he starts really understanding the techniques and fundamentals and and starts cracking up on the NFL game and the way it's played he does things that are instinctively freakish that you just can't teach and the more he sees it the more reps. He gets the better. He's going to be in dog, you know, he's he's just got a good knack for football and and as soon as he gets into a Groove and and he really starts to understand this game, he's he's going to take off and it's going to be very very disruptive so long Of the direction he's going in Wheel of his mind set his work. Ethic is attention to detail and and so as a season progressed as he's going to earn whatever and just like every other player on this team you're going to earn your playing time you learned and and he's doing a really nice job so far this year. Sell also talks about what they're messing with green law and how arik Armstead has improved this season defense missed with Dre Greenlaw out. And what will he bring to the defense when he comes back home man Greenlaw we all love Greenlaw athletic. He's dynamic in the sense that he covers a lot of space both run game and pass game wage really good man coverage. He's he's very very reliable and and you know as he gets his legs back underneath them, you know anytime you can add a starting-caliber player a player of his caliber back to the defense or on the football field. You're only going to get better. And so when we had him Quan and Fred role and we were really dynamic in that back end and at that linebacker spot off and having as he's step up the way he did over the last few weeks. I don't want to take anything away from him cuz I thought he's gotten much much improved from a year ago and enough for green lights just a opportunity wage. But on the field gives legs back underneath them and and know that we've got now we feel like we got four and really really really good linebackers and and that's not to take away from the other guys flan and off Joe Walker and then we plan to get back. So really love that linebacker group in the depth that they've shown over the last with the start of the season. However, when you look at Eric Armstead and the season, he's having thus far and really am doing over from last year. Can you just talk a little bit about how you've seen him grow since you first got here man, I can't say enough about Eric. Our first year here he got hurt and he was starting to come on strong our first year and he got hurt. I believe the Washington Redskins game and then last year off of the second year, you know, here's still trying to work through with what we're trying to ask of them and and and I'll give a ton of credit to Chris Eric and the defensive line coach and Chris kiffin who's not Cleveland really helping him understanding what his style what his what his identity is as defensive lineman and really really getting home locked into a technique that he believed in and for Eric. He's such a smart individual and he plays so violent, but he's one of the few people who can play with finesse two thousand and he's been able to balance all three of those aspects of his game and he's turned into a a wrecking ball on there. And and so I'm just so pumped for him that he continues to get better and he's he's going to log Lasting figure in this league at the rate. He's going he's he's awesome. So and his leadership skills all of it. He's been fantastic. So I'll also talks about the defense of the defense is discipline overall. Robert in the past you've had issues with guys trying to do their own thing and make a play kind of a lack of discipline cuz I've been an issue at all going forward this year or have you is it just something you always emphasize? You know, what you it's it's two-fold. We have a we have our rules ball where we want guys to make sure they understand their rules. But when you get a guy off KKK one Williams or Kwon Alexander Fred or you've got guys who are and we got a lot of non-defense. I'm not to skip anyone but when you have guys who just know something happening, they know the play and their rule tells them one thing but they just know something's happening. We we encourage them to take their shot and and whether or not they're right all the time at home not to say that they're a hundred percent, but you never want to make these guys robots. They have rules. They're very comfortable with their rules. They know their rules and and but we also offer All the film study and all the cut-ups and all the work that they put in we do encourage that if they do see a play they do see something happening to go play the play and they expect them to be 100% as as probably probably be asking a lot of them, but they understand if they take a shot and they miss they they take ownership to it. But at the same time when they do take a shot like Fred on the interception at the Giants game he knew the plane if you actually watch this technique, that's not the way we teach it but he knew the play he hung inside. He baited the quarterback and he took it. I mean that's that's Fred. He's from film study. And so you want God bless you encourage you guys to to play football out there, but understand what your rules are speaking of that play. If you would just play normal ball and took his own drop quarterback never would have thrown it. They would have been a position to begin with and he will do and somewhere else with the ball and maybe the drive still continuing so kudos to him kudos to start on the communication pre-snap and all of it. And so but that's dead. You know, so from from a discipline standpoint, I think we're one of the more disciplined football teams and defenses in football. And and for those guys when when something does get blown up or something does Miss wage. It's not from a lack of discipline more than you know, they felt like they had a play they had to be done something they took their shot and they just missed hopefully current Williams breaks down what happened with the line last week? Hey Trent this little hey, he was a little bit of a challenging week last week for the offensive line. And you explain what happened. What was going on. There was a good game plan. You know, we we are We wanted to come out and try to establish the Run game and they had a plan for it. You know, we were quite certain that they would play it how we thought they would cuz they hadn't changed it on film but you know, they made they made an adjustment and took us a little bit to catch up to it and Williams also talks about his own play last game. I apologize if this is a rough question, but most of us haven't seen you basically get beaten like that in a long time. What what did you see on tape? And and and what was that game? Like, I'm heading depending on what you mean you talking about Pro, you know, I was credited for half a sack from the coaches which I felt like I could have did that play a little better but you know, the quarterback got the moving around and walk, you know things happen. So I mean we could all be better in that sense. And that's in pass-pro after that. I was pretty clean from a personal standpoint, you know how to 74 play dead. Probably 4:45, but I had back. Obviously the penalties are down me bonehead, you know, the reason I erase those from the game, but other than that. You know from a password section. I had a pretty clean sheet. I know sometimes that the public perception can think, you know some things or or on you when you know in-house you kind of we kind of know they're not so, you know, that's a tough deal to kind of Juggle it just you know dealing with perception and that is it free for them it is please check out our main show 94 radio on YouTube and wherever you can find your podcast also check out 95th video.com. For some awesome new merch and our revenge toward marriage. Thanks and as always remain faithful off off

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Ep. 1161 - Your Public Health Experts Were About To Get People Killed

The Ben Shapiro Show

54:31 min | 6 months ago

Ep. 1161 - Your Public Health Experts Were About To Get People Killed

"The cdc redraws its vaccine distribution standards after blowback over its racist guidelines. Joe biden talks of healing while preparing to get radical and. Aoc runs into a buzzsaw from her own party. I'm ben shapiro. This is the ben shapiro. Show the ben shapiro. Show is sponsored by expressive upn. Protect your online privacy today at express. Vpn dot com slash to all the news in just one moment i quick reminder. You may have been noticing that things are pretty volatile in the united states and over the past couple of years. If you taken some of your money and put it in precious metals. You'd be thinking to yourself boy. I'm a lot richer than that. Other guy who didn't put their money into precious metals a couple of years ago. Well look into the future and think about whether you should put some of your money into precious metals into at least a little bit of diversifying. How about putting some real silver in your loved ones stockings this year as like a highlight of the deal as well. That's right today. Only for every five thousand dollars you spend with birch goals group on physical gold or silver or investing in your precious metals. Ira birch gold will send you bonus silver. It's the countdown to inauguration. It's a great time to pull some of your earnings out of the stock market solidify your savings through diversification you should be diversified across a wide variety of holdings and precious metals. Are just one. Here's what you need to do. Text ben to forty seven forty seven forty seven. When you speak your birch gold representative. Let them know you. Want the free silver with your purchase even if you're investing in precious metals. Ira is still get the physical silver delivered directed to your door. I know people have perch golden working with them for years as you know as well text ben to forty seven forty seven forty seven in a free information kit on diversifying into gold from birch gold an a-plus rating with the better business bureau countless five star reviews text ben to forty seven forty seven. Forty seven opened a precious metals. Ira get your free silver today so over the weekend. It became quickly apparent that the cdc had completely botched its roll out of the vaccines at least in terms of its initial standard. So these things are still being set. It not yet been finalized but it became very clear and we talked about this last week at the end of the week on the podcast that the cdc had been taking into account race as opposed to just pre existing condition and age as factors in. Who would get the vaccine. Which is totally crazy. I mean that's utterly insane. The reason that is insane is because that is highly highly unlikely to save lives in the same way that trenching out by actual vulnerability to the virus would be saving. Lives mentioned on a pure statistical. If you want to save the most lives that can help. The people are the most vulnerable. You don't tranche out support to people who are less vulnerable. I mean this is perfectly perfectly obvious to anybody. Who's a shred of both reason and morality. That's all it takes to come to the that the way that you give out the vaccines is you find people most likely to die and you give them the vaccine. I end of story but that is not in fact how politics works in the united states is one of the reasons had trust issues with our public health experts ever since the beginning of this pandemic because it was quite apparent that their priorities were not only saving lives their priorities were not only getting the vaccine develops in the fastest possible time then getting it out to the people who are most vulnerable. Their priorities were not taking measures that were designed to prevent the most transmission. Their priorities were skewed. In some cases again we saw this very early on when the entire media and much of the public health infrastructure decided that they were going to endorse vast riots and and looting and gatherings in the streets over quotable racial justice issues because it racial justice was itself a health issue at that point. They abandoned any claim that could have to being objective. Public health. Expert and one's other priorities are starting to impinge on your ability to do your job. Then you just can't be trusted in the same way. It's it's one of the great puzzles of our age that at a time when science has done more to save lives than probably at any time in human history right. We developed a vaccine. The scientific community did they developed a vaccine inside of nine months which is utterly crazy right from soup to nuts right. from the beginning to the distribution. It took less than nine months for them to develop a vaccine which is an unbelievable feat of scientific engineering and technological know-how it's a. It's an incredible incredible thing at the same time. Public trust in the scientific community has been dropping and the reason for that is two separate things that have been happening simultaneously inside science over the past several years. One is ultra peronism. it's word i'm using more and more lately. That word means is people speaking outside their of expertise people in the scientific community. Speaking on racial justice issues had just. Because you know how molecule works does not mean you have good ideas when it comes to how society ought to function and to pretend otherwise is to engage in ultra crap areas and have scientists are speaking outside of their realms of expertise and meanwhile you have signed itself being infected by people who actually don't care about the science as much as they care about the politics works both ways you have. Scientists speaking in terms of public policy and public policy people speaking in terms of science and the end result is a model and that model is not very good. So here's the deal. We should be very optimistic right now about the future of the next several months. Hit what i mean by that is not that we are not going to see tremendous amounts of suffering and death over the next couple of months as before the vaccine is able to be rolled out but the fact that there's even an end incite is an incredible incredible thing. Detriments have slightly. Who's heading up. Operation warp speed for the trump administration. He explained yesterday. they're gonna ship out eight million doses of the vaccine this week. That's an unbelievable feat. We were told by nearly the entire media back in april and may that there would be no vaccine this year and now we're going to get eight million doses of the vaccine shipped out this. That's an amazing amazing thing. Here is dr slowly. We now are clear that we will be shipping. Five five point nine million doses of moderna vaccine two million doses of the pfizer vaccine on monday. And that's what would happen and we are increasing. The level of communication with the governor's in order to make sure that you know there are no mistakes have happened or miscommunication We will work and learn from our mistakes every day and our focus is to make sure we get american people as many vaccine those as are produced. It's an amazing amazing accomplishment community but again there are serious trust issues the members of our scientific community by the way anthony fauci did announce to the world that he had personally vaccinated santa. Which is i mean to be. Honest like santa should be in like the top line right. I mean the man's what several hundred years old and has the issues. So i mean he probably is among most vulnerable. I mean trenching. This thing out by by vulnerability is anthony fauci explaining that he had personally shot up. Santa i have to say. I took care of that for you because i was worried that you don't be upset. So what hit a little. While ago. i took a trip up there to the north pole. i went there and vaccinated santa claus myself. I measured his level of immunity. And he's good to go. He can come down the chimney he can leave the presence he can leave and you have nothing to worry about. Santa claus is good to go. Well that is indeed exciting news. Okay so here is the problem right. All it's good stuff right. All of this is good stuff. One problem it turns out your public health. Experts are scoring everything up so it turns out now that they were trenching out the vaccine. They been telling people that it was time to trench out the vaccine by using racial equity issues as opposed to looking at how many people to save this has all sorts of statistical implications that actually end with more people of colored dead right. If we'd actually follow the standards. More people of color would have died. I'll explain in one second but first here's what you need to know what you need to know. Is that if you vaccinate by age you will beat preventing the most. It is very clear that this is the case. Age is actually even a better way of describing how people should be vaccinated then single preexisting conditions now. The reason for that is because if you're eighty five the chances are they have several preexisting conditions so if you just look at people who have diabetes for people who are over the age of eighty five people over the age of eighty five just as a group are more likely to die than people who have diabetes. 'cause if you have diabetes you could be thirty. You could be thirty five. Maybe you have your diabetes while handled. Okay if you're eighty five chances are that you probably have diabetes. You probably have a kidney problem. You probably have some lung issues right. You're eighty five. You've lived a long time and that means that you have multiple underlying issues. It doesn't mean that age itself is the complicating factor. It means that age itself correlates with multiple underlying factors. This is something dr marty. Mccarey from johns hopkins university had talked about extensively. Is that for people. In the united states above the age of sixty five a month ago only twenty five hundred people above the age of sixty five with no pre existing conditions had died so existing conditions still matter but it's multiple pre existing conditions that. Give the game away in terms of very very high rates of death and that correlates very highly with advanced age not only in the united states but all over the world so statistically speaking. Here's an example from israel. Okay says there's nothing to do with the united states. Racial breakdown david. Wallace wells liberal right. He's the deputy editor and climate columnist for new york magazine. He put out this chart from rei cobbler on twitter over the weekend. These estimates are from israel. He says but striking vaccinates the point. Five percent people over ninety the total fatality risk dropped by nineteen percent by one fifth vaccinates. The two point. Five percent of the population of eighty it falls by half vaccinate. An eighty seven point five percent of the population over seventy. It dropped by three quarters. Each skew remains under appreciated in other words. Pretty obviously if you want to prevent mass f than what you do and you can see it right there in the stats. If you wanna prevent math what you do. Is you do it by age. Fortunately we have public health experts. Who are both not concerned with public health and obviously not experts who are absolute idiots. Right they are suggesting that instead for the purposes of racial equity tranche out the vaccine with an eye toward race which is nuts. Okay that's nuts. We'll get to that in just one second i. It is doorbell season. The busiest time of the year at your front door. That is definitely true at my house with ring. 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This is again the uk daily mail. Twenty five states have committed to focus on racial and ethnic communities as they decided which groups should be prioritized in receiving a corona virus vaccine dose. These included new mexico. Were collaboration native. Americans being prioritised california. Which has committed to ensuring black and hispanic people have greater access to the vaccine and oregon where health officials have said that ethnic minorities will have equitable access to the shot not equal access equitable access. There's a difference in equal and equitable access. Means fair equal means the same. Some states have made even more specific plans to prioritize it. Communities of color with twelve states specifically mentioning efforts to partner with healthcare providers in areas with large minority populations to reach diverse populations according to the kaiser family foundation among the states. they're giving greater preference to minority. Communities are the ones that you would suspect. Places like new york and california oregon washington nevada idaho montana wyoming utah new mexico louisiana oklahoma kansas illinois. Indiana i want minnesota michigan pennsylvania north carolina and maine the cdc as a guidance on its social vulnerability index that uses fifteen usa's variables to help. Local officials identified communities. That may need support. It is being used in states like michigan where my status and language spoken could be taken into consideration when deciding how high a priority you are for receiving a vaccine main has built a racial ethnic minority covert nineteen vaccination plan in an attempt to give preference groups that quote have experienced rates of disease that far exceed the representation in the population as a whole in the us. Black and hispanic people are almost three times more likely to die from covid nineteen than whites while the reason that is is because black and hispanic people are apparently significantly more likely to actually get the disease it turns out that it is not that they are particularly vulnerable to the disease according to the new york times. There's a piece over the last couple of weeks. Dr kgab benja ogi deg bay forgive. The pronunciation began to research coronavirus infections among black and hispanic patients. He thought he knew what he would find. He thought infected blackness. Medications would be more likely to be hospitalized. Compared with white patients and more likely more likely to die. That's not how it turned out so in other words. Lacking people do not have an innate vulnerability. It has nothing to do with race. What's actually happening. Is that lack of hispanic people because they are disproportionately. Low income are more likely to actually get the disease. After accounting for various disparities. Dr ogundipe be found that infected black and hispanic patients were no more likely than white patients to be hospitalized. If hospitalized black patients had a slightly lower risk of dying that study was published in the journal gem network open three other recent. Large studies have come to similarly surprising conclusions. The new findings do not contradict an enormous body of research. Showing black and hispanic americans are more likely to be affected by the pandemic. The corona virus is more prevalent in minority communities infections. Illnesses and deaths have occurred in these groups in disproportionate numbers but the studies do suggest. There is no innate vulnerability to the virus among black and hispanic americans. He says it's about exposure. It's about where people live. It has nothing to do with jeans. Okay well then. Why exactly would we be looking at. Non-health variables in order to determine how to trench the stuff out. I mean this is insane. A noah smith who again is no conservative raise bloomberg opinion writer of the left. He he points out that there were these slides that were put out for possible guidance. By the cdc that show essential workers getting this before the elderly. Why because essential workers are very likely to be more often black and hispanic than the elderly. Now he's talked about last week. There were actual emphasis. Suppose ephesus who were suggesting just this that because elderly people tend to be wider because white people live longer in the united states than some other sub sections of the population. There were too many old white people so you know what in the name of equity let some of the old white people die in the name of younger not why people give the twenty year old essential worker with no actual vulnerability to this thing. The shot before given eighty five year old white person that shot. I mean this is. This is crazy. Okay and i'll tell you why this is especially crazy in means that more and hispanic people will die right. Think about the thing about the statistics here and there are a lot. It's true that he disproportionate number of people by by sort of democratic percent demographic percentage of the population it is true a higher percentage of people over the five white than the percentage of people who are thirty four white again. That is true in the united states. It also happens to be true that the most vulnerable subset of black and hispanic people in the united states are people who are over the age of eighty five because black and hispanic people respond to the virus. Exactly the same way as white people which is to say if you're old you're at serious risk so if you take vaccines away from the elderly on the basis of age and give to essential workers on the basis of race you'll end up with more absolute black and hispanic deaths in order to achieve less relative black and hispanic death where you'll end up with more actual dead bodies that are black and hispanic because you're not actually prioritizing the elderly you'll end up with a lower percentage of black and hispanic deaths because you're prioritizing a more black and hispanic people live in the age distribution of the population understand how idiotic genesis i mean. It's social engineering. From the top levels games of life and death that is a game of life and death because when you say people above the age of eighty five those people get it after the essential workers. What you're saying is not just that twenty year old. Black workers should get it before an eighty-five white lady. While you're saying is that a twenty year old black worker should get it before in eighty five year old black lady right because now you're elevating race and the age group where race is most proportionate. You're elevating that where the vulnerability is. What the cdc was recommending. This is what they were recommending in some of their slides. According to noah smith here they said that in order to mitigate health inequities the highest incidence and mortality in congregate living and racial and ethnic minority groups under represented among adults over the age of sixty five. That means that you should actually look to. You should look to focus your outreach. Not on the highest incidence and mortality congregate living. You should look instead to prioritize the people who are most black and hispanic namely essential workers. So if you get to mitigate health inequities you should start with essential workers right. Essential workers should be given top priority because racial and ethnic minority groups are disproportionately represented in many essential industries. A quarter of essential workers live in low income families. Then you should do. Adults aged over sixty five because racial and ethnic minority groups are underrepresented among adults over age. Sixty five okay. This is purely them. Saying we do not care if black and hispanic elderly people die because you know what if they die. They're they're at least along with a bunch of white people are over the age eighty five. And that's insane. This is insane josh barrel again. Not right winner. He says this is a real concrete. Error arising from social justice ideology failing to see individuals rather than groups in general. I don't think the public health communities for is into politics and ethics have gone well during all this. Yeah you think. Matt iglesias has been a guest on this program and was just rational enough to be ousted from job over at box which he co-founded he wrote. Basically if you take one thousand. Primates americans expect to have one hundred and fifty african americans in the pool versus about one hundred if you take one thousand senior citizens so in sense vaccinating. Essential workers promotes racial equity. Because you're giving shots more black people but since the infection fatality rate for senior citizens is at least ten times the rate for non seniors. You're not actually saving black people's lives this way you're opting for a strategy that you more black deaths and more white deaths than the vaccine eighteen years for strategy but you're deciding it's better for equity. This is what ethics requires he says. I often feel medical ethics. People run their ideas by normal emphasis because to me. That doesn't make a lot of sense. Also says matt iglesias. We know the people who've been dying most from covid are black senior citizens. The decision here is not to prioritize vaccinating them but to instead vaccinate a different less vulnerable group of people and then asserts. This creates some kind of abstract collective racial benefit. There'd been a lotta takes lightly about woke liberals prioritizing symbolic racial issues over the concrete needs of non white people. But this idea really takes. The cake is even people on the left or like this is insane and now in a second. We're gonna get to. Who actually mocked up the slide. You will be unsurprised. Won't who mocked up this particular. Slide for the cdc which then ended up being used as guidance across the nation. We'll get to that in just one second first. Let's talk about investing in art so when you think about investing in our eating okay i've got to have millions and millions of dollars because i want great piece of art that's going to hold. 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Joe walker tweeted out over. The weekend is nate silver. Like this makes no sense. This is kind of crazy what you're doing right now and then trended because the woke control twitter i mean twitter is just the the mob accuracy that controls twitter is the woke so nate. Silver is like these standards make no sense of basically on one side you rational liberals like mad iglesias and nate silver. Who were like this is crazy. You're gonna get more people killed and significant tens of thousands of more people killed with these standards and on the other side. You had the wilkes who like yet but you know what that's racially. Just because more white people died. And so who actually mocked up so this person named joe walker tweeted hates over on the epidemic epidemiologist. Who did this analysis. The slide show assumes a disease blocking vaccine which still allows the virus to infect and spread differences in strategy are much smaller than if you assume vaccine can also prevent infection and transmission. Okay but that's not the point. Who exactly is joe. Walker joe walker is a cdc infectious disease epidemiologist and modeling. Can also nonbinary trans they and then in the profile for this person is the trans flag and then it has festively defunding. The police festively era guys. It's it's it's the is the most radical taw mov the year festively just from the police that people get killed. Do it festively. Make sure that you put some bells on when you do it. So that is That is pretty incredible. Okay plus you had people suggesting that we should actually value pre existing conditions overage even though that is not what the statistics tend to show so zoe mclaren tweeted this out so mcclintock. Non white people die from covid nineteen much more often than white people of the same age prioritizing. Those with pre existing conditions is one way to help redress racial inequalities without explicitly. Prioritizing my race is not indefensible. just don't understand. No no no no we understand. Also it also happens not to be true right as i mentioned earlier. That new york times piece focuses in on the fact that if you are black or hispanic or white you're dying of essentially the same rates is just the black and hispanic people are getting this more often. Okay so over the weekend the cdc then revised its standards yasha monk again no one sided thus far on the shows right winger one on this last week fairly early last week but the blue the kind of typical moderate liberals picked up and they ran with it and good for them he yasha monk he said some good news thanks to massive justify public criticism. The cdc is making adjustments to the recommendations americans over seventy five should now get the vaccine alongside essential frontline workers that is an improvement but it doesn't solve many of the concerns first of all. They shouldn't get it as well. Alongside frontline essential workers that she get it before frontline. Essential workers again if you're a twenty year old working in a grocery store that's crazy. That's especially crazy when you look at who is considered an essential frontline worker as josh barrow. Points out here is who is considered a frontline. Essential workers ready first responders like firefighters and police. Teachers teachers teachers are not uniquely vulnerable to this virus. They're not. I'm unaware in the united states of any teacher who has died after being infected at school if there are one if there is one name them okay seriously because we saw a lot of stories over the summer about teachers dying it turns out. They've been infected elsewhere so teachers like if choice between t thirty five year old teacher and seventy five year old grandma in a nursing home. That is not a hard choice but it is for the cdc because our public health experts are not public health. Experts they are. They're apparently politically driven idiots. Moral idiots who else is a frontline. Essential worker food and agriculture manufacturing. See work in a factory and now we are treating you as the you're eighty five years old and you have three preexisting conditions corrections workers. Us postal service workers. Okay if you're used postal service worker. First of all i mean i love her male guy but he's literally just taking packages and then dropping them off on the front stoop now. There's not a lot of face to face. Contact public transit workers and grocery store worker. So we are. There are thirty million of those people can give thirty million doses to those people as opposed to people who are significantly more vulnerable by the way other essential workers who will also be prioritized as this thing rolls out include people in finance it and communication energy media and legal. Okay i should not be prioritized. In the vaccine line and thirty six year olds the thirty six years old. Thank god how they by the way. My wife should not be prioritized in the vaccine line. She's thirty three years old and she is in excellent health and also she happens not to be working with covid patients right now. Doing this by industry is also idiotic doing it by pre existing condition and age age priority being the priority because it's an easier stanton than multiple pre existing conditions. That is obviously the answer. But i mean come on come on the standards are still not good anyway. Yasha monk continues in particular. The cdc's data still suggests americans aged sixty five or seventy four are much more likely to die from covid than younger. Frontline workers so of course. This action will likely still cause. Needless additional deaths. How many this is where things get really worrying in the original cdc presentation kathleen dueling admitted that prioritizing all essential workers would likely increase overall debts by between point. Five percents and six point five percents. She then called the additional deaths of thousands of americans a quote unquote minimal difference. That is the difference. Point five percent in six point five percent. Are you kidding. Wounding hundreds of thousands of deaths. You're talking about tens of thousands of people dying because you guys crappy woke standard for how to trench out the vaccine. That's nuts that's nuts. So where is all of this coming from whereas all this coming. 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I thought in some cases you he was not being particularly specific about what he meant but what he actually meant i think is there are a bunch of holdover. Staffers people like the festively defunding police person who staff all of these agencies and when you enter office you don't go person by person and just got rid of all of them. That's nearly impossible. Their two million members of the executive branch which is why we should completely minimize the executive branch but there are a lot of people out there who have these standards and a lot of them are infused by woke ideology. You think that trump would have approved something like this personally. You think that that trump's cdc heads would have been super happy about the quote unquote equitable distribution of the vaccine as opposed to you know trying to prioritize the people who are most likely to die. I have serious doubts that that is the case. This is the same president who attempted to get rid of critical race theory. Being taught in government offices and across government. auspices is a. Where's this ideology coming from. And it's coming from a left wing ideology which has always suggested that every crisis is an opportunity for social leveling every crisis can be wrapped up into a ball. It is all the same what you're looking for in the end is redistribution on a group intersectional basis the left coalition which is all about cobbling together the sort of victims of the of the white supremacist superstructure. The wet is the way they talk the the attempt to bring together this coalition against the system and to every problem through the lens of race leads to this kind of quote unquote social justice outcome which is horrifying including for a lot of members of the minority community particularly in this case members the minority community or older. You can you can see how the how the social justice woke ideology looking at people prior primarily in terms of racial group is really bad and racist by the way used to be pretty clear about this that this stuff was racist now under the guise of weakness being racist has become woke being racist the new anti-racist. It's really exciting. So you can see this infuses. How team biden. Thanks so earlier this year. For example president The biden who is now legally the president-elect or at least will be on january six when the house votes biden he. He spoke earlier this year about kobe. And you wrap everything up in noble. All of his priorities are wrapped up into a ball. Now they shouldn't be a priority on cove should be for saving lives. Obviously when it comes to scientific and government policy should be saving lives and by the way preserving the economy that there are other balancing considerations but one of those considerations is not race nor should it be but for biden. It's all the same. The economy is all about producing racial quote unquote equity. What he means by. That is a racially equal outcomes. Climate policy is about producing racial equal. Outcomes kovic is about producing racial equal outcomes. Everything is the same. It's all one big ball of mush in europe. It all up and it's the exact same goal and the same goal is social justice. Here's your biden doing this routine just a little earlier this year. The irony is we have four crises. i christ ceases. Kovin second is the economic close to recession and maybe worse. The third crisis is the the inequity that exist in the racial equity exists in the fourth crisis climate. Ironically one another the first time the american people looked out there and said my lord. I guess all those things i heard about and even though i don't live in neighborhoods of large black populations. I didn't realize police actually do those kind of things like i saw with. George floyd again. All of this is wrapped together. It's all social justice ideology in which people are segregated by race and then we're supposed to treat government policies end as achieving an equal outcome. Where all the groups have the same average in all the groups have the same distribution and all that which of course is not possible. The government policy. Hey so when it comes to health. Policies is particularly a problem. This is how biden thinks this. Democrats think is how the media is really bad has really really bad ramifications especially when you get into realms that are beyond the realm of simple sort of racial politics This is why earlier this year not very long longer just a couple of weeks ago. Dr must marcela. Nunez smith who has a health fx or something yale and has been appointed by biden to member of his cova team. Speaking of his pressures and said health access equity is the priority. Not the people who are most vulnerable should be able to get the access to the health. They need but health access equity equity re again whenever the xactly understand. What they mean is equality of outcome. They do not mean that if you are equally vulnerable than a black person over the israeli five same access to the vaccine is white person over the age. Eighty five i agree. That's obviously true. If you're over the age of eighty five we should treat you exactly the same ocean treat. Twenty year olds. Essential worker. The same as an eighty five zero black grandma or white grandma. For that matter we hear his doctrine marcela nunez smith spelling out this ideology which has real ramifications for real people and real deaths. It is our societal obligation to ensure equitable access to testing treatments and vaccines equitable support for those were hurting and equitable pathways. To opportunity as we emerge from this crisis and rebuild again equity equity out. But again. When i think equity when i when i think fair i think the person who's most vulnerable. She'll go first with vaccine. When i think fair i think equal rights under law right. That's fairness to me right. Equal rights under laws fairness the left equal outcome is fairness and somebody group not by individual. Well this lady who said in an interview with the ap she said quote. We've had a collective witnessing as a country here in twenty twenty around the pervasive deep deep-seated challenge of racial injustice and covid nineteen exploited that reality here. She was a lumping together. All the george floyd stuff with cohen. And then she said there are moral pragmatic reasons to address inequality we can't pretend the covid nineteen has been an equal opportunity offender other viruses racist. You see it's not an equal opportunity offender okay. The virus is indeed an equal opportunity offender. That does not mean that the rain falls on everybody equally. Some people have umbrellas and some people do not but it does mean that for all those who don't have umbrellas. We should try to make sure we get them. Umbrellas and we do so in the priority order where they're most likely to be harmed by the covid rain so to speak. We'll talk more about the pilot. The the medications of this asinine backwards and really ugly ideology in just one second. I let let's talk about getting a good night's sleep so one of the things that you've definitely gonna need. You're going to need the best pillow and good news. You can get the best pillow from mike lindell over and my pillow. His stuff is just great their pillows. They don't go flat one thing. You may notice beg. Your pillow is that it is now a pancake. You can also wash and dry your mypillow as many times you want. They maintain their shape. Best of all. They're made right here in the united states. If you don't have a my pillow or you know somebody who doesn't now is a great time. Because for a limited time. Mike is offering his premium mypillows. That'd be the one that started it. 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La's new progressive de molina abdulah. Who is an insane person. Okay molina abdulah. Used to teach over at cal state university los angeles. I only know about molina abdulah. Because when i traveled to cal state los angeles And there was very nearly riot. A full-scale riot with people getting beaten up in the crowd and everything she was the person who had basically started all that because she had proclaimed that i was actually secretly a member kkk. The the janaka was the dead giveaway. While nam lean abdulhussein black lives matter leader. She she put out on her social media quote. Rarely do i trust. a politician. Never have trusted a cop or former. Comp george gascon seems like the real deal to me. Although i vehemently opposed lazy voted for gascon and i didn't endorse him when you're in now that he's been deeply impressed by his commitment to meaningful change his courage in the face of threats by some powerful adversaries and strong collaboration with progressive allies and posting. This because just as we hold elected accountable when they harm communities so we must also stand with those leaders who advanced justice. We're with you george gascon. Don't let the a holes for dead set on maintaining an unjust system sway. You okay she of course is again a radical crazy person and she's very happy because gascon announced the that he had reinstated. The use of some sentence enhancements for cases involving the most vulnerable victims and then reversed course. So he he he. He's just terrible. I mean this this. Da has basically been suggesting that he is not going to under nearly any circumstances prosecute people for actual crimes. He announced an end to cash. Bail said he would stop trying. Juvenile's as adults you'd prohibit prosecutors from seeking the death penalty he would eliminate all set enhancement and also he. He did not campaign on that by the way his plan to do with the media resistance according to the daily wire the policy changes sparked a revolt from local law enforcement unions and several deputy district attorneys within gascons office on friday. He accused goebel members of the media of being exploited into quote airing vile and sensational claims. The he's again a radical leftist. Who believes that. The reason that there are disproportionate number of black and brown people in prison is not because of disproportionate number of black and brown people are committing crimes but because the police hate black and brown people and so he's just going to stop enforcing the actual law this new day. Which is crazy. It's it's pretty wild that his his original order remains in place by the way defendants with prior strikes under the state's three strikes law. Those who've been in prison recently. Those listed in the states gang database will no longer face extra time behind bars. Prosecutors still prohibited from seeking sentencing enhancements for the use of a gun. I must the manner in which the weapon was used in a crime exhibited extreme or immediate threat to human life. So if you break into somebody's house and got a gun on your waist no problem if you break in. Somebody's house and he pulled the gun out of your waistband and you pointed at somebody then you have a problem. Apparently i mean it's it's just crazy. It's just crazy. The la protective police league issued a statement after a gascon slightly reversed himself. They said it took a national outcry for him. To understand the child rape is human traffickers and perpetrators of violent hate. Crimes should spend more time behind bars. He still wanna go easy on gang members who terrorize neighborhoods or criminals. That you'd cops in the back of the head. Which of course is true. in fact. it's so true that over the weekend he was caught on tape telling somebody in the public that people who are protesting him were terrible. People turns out one of the people protesting him was. Actually i believe the mother of somebody who'd been either raped or murdered. Here's what that sounded like. George gascon enforcing what we have people who don't have enough to patients either all show. We signed never speak again. Because he was murdered. He was kidnapped thwarts. Meanwhile you have built a blah's who new york who is again mimicking. This woke ideology with disastrous consequences. He's been suggesting that when it comes to everything from policing policy to schooling policy to code. It is time for racial equity right. Every that means shutting down charter schools guys exciting stuff. It means higher taxes and it also means. The police can't do their job. But also when it comes to cova policy like when you're when you're lodestar when the thing that you are searching for and the and the center of gravity and your political universe is utopian vision in which all groups are leveled. Even though you don't want treat people's individuals you want to seek group justice at the expense of individual justice you're likely to pursue terrible policy less. What bill de blasio he's done along if you're talking about The problems of disparity. If you're talking about structural racism certainly policing is not the only area. There are many areas to talk about and education must be front and center. There has been so much that needed to be addressed in education in new york city and from the beginning what i try to focus on was a very simple concept equity and excellence that we needed to profoundly change the distribution of resources. I liked to say very bluntly. Our mission is to redistribute wealth. A lot of people bristle that phrase that is in fact the phrase we need to use. His mission is not success and individual rights and the ability of everybody to rise. His mission is to redistribute wealth. And he's at least saying that communist bastard he's only saying it out loud it's amazing it's amazing stuff and take this to its logical extreme. And this is where you end up. With the abram max candy idea that we should have a department of anti-racism at the federal level capable of shutting down any law that does not result in equal outcome biracial group. That's where he it's where you end up with with artie. Why not just do why not. Just do what brennan hassbroek suggested over the weekend over at the nation the wild west publication the nation. He says the votes of black americans should count twice. Not kidding natural article in the nation. He says that You know one of the big problems is that white people. They're voting it because of the electoral college votes too much and so therefore we should double count. Ballots cast by all black residents. Just count them. I have an easier way of doing this. We could white voters three-fifths of about we call to three fifths rule and then i guess the three fifths rule will be good right because when when it's three-fifths rules designed to oppress black people. That's not even what the three fifths compromise really was about. That was that was actually designed to minimize the impact of slaveholding votes. In the south and north one and three eighths because black people couldn't vote but in case there's a little bit more of a complex story bottom line. Is this this guy. Actually suggesting a new three fifths rule but it's good refits. Rules are good now because they are reverse. This ideology is poisonous. It is disgusting and vile and it is dangerous it is dangerous as well and meanwhile in your latest episode of people ignoring the rules that they don't think apply to them. There's now a report claiming the doctor. Deborah brooks is of course on trump's coronavirus. Advisory team violated her own thanksgiving coronavirus recommendations. According to ryan's edrich over a daily wire report emerged on sunday laming. The brooks violated some of the recommendations. She made about how americans should proceed with family. Interactions around thanksgiving during the press briefing on november. Nineteenth brooks repeatedly urged to increase their vigilance at this moment. Part of the guidance was to limit interactions indoors to immediate household. Well the ap reported on. Sunday that burks who has worked for both democrats and republicans travel to vacation properties. She owns on fenwick island. Delaware or shoes joined by three generations of family members from to household insisted the purpose of the roughly fifty hour visit was to deal with the winterisation of the property before a potential sale brexit. Everyone under delaware trips belongs to her immediate household. Even she acknowledged they lived in two different homes. She did acknowledge that her family shared a meal together. Well in delaware the ap did not say whether it was indoors or outdoors whether outdoors by the way there was in the high fifties low sixties so good times over there that the rules don't apply to the little people they the rules don't apply to the people who are important. They just apply to the little people so that is a very very exciting stuff. By the way when we talk about the cost of colored policy worth noting that san francisco we talk about the cost of shutdown san francisco as more people died of drug overdoses so far this year than people. Dying from covid san francisco one hundred seventy three deaths from covid nineteen this year. Six hundred twenty. One people died of drug overdoses and san francisco this year. Hey the two are not completely unrelated when it comes to these lockdown policies meanwhile joe biden. He says it's time to heal such exciting stuff. I'm always excited to hear from a guy who is pushing for the woke agenda telling us that in one month we begin to heal. And what the hell that that is supposed to mean. We begin to heal the. Does he really believe that. That trump is the only thing that has been a splinter and the once trump is removed to begin to hill or are there deeper underlying issues. My opinion there deeper underlying issues in fact biden held a call over the weekend. With mexico's president both has opened a door. Andres manuel lopez obrador. They had a phone call on saturday and they discussed working together. On a new approach to migration that quote offers alternatives to undertaking. The dangerous journey to the united states is going to radically shift immigration. Policy don't worry. The healing has begun. It will begin with caravans headed toward the american southern border. That is that is very exciting stuff. By the way he's already signal biden has that he wants to undo agreements with mexico and states in latin america that allowed people to apply for asylum from the states where they're coming from as opposed to traveling up north to the american board where they are. We then have to house them and try to distinguish them and release them into the interior. According to axios the statement from biden's transition team on the call. Details represents a key part of the president-elect's plan to trump's aggressive border policy biden has vowed to end it. Trump's remain in mexico policy that's tens of thousands of asylum seekers forced to wait for their court dates in mexico. The transition team said in its statement by reiterated in the call he would stand by the commitments made on the campaign trail he noted it would take time and resources to implement those commitments effectively. Apparently he also wants you. Spend an awful lot of money in el salvador guatemala honduras and southern mexico and he wants to build the regional and border infrastructure and capacity to facilitate a new orderly and humane approach to migration yes. I'm sure that's what's going to happen. Not more giant caravans to the border which then result in mass release into the interior of the united states which has been the traditional american policy up until the point of trump. meanwhile we're being told good news. Joe biden is as long. I mean the man is just. He's so honest and we know he's honest because the sun is deeply corrupt but he still thinks he's on his case. Jen psaki who is biden. Spokesperson she says you don't have to worry about whether biden is going to intervene in the hundred investigation. He's not he's not and i believe her. I believe her. Yeah here's jen psaki. He will not be discussing a an investigation of his son. With any attorney general candidates he will not be discussing it with anyone. He is considering for the role and he will not be discussing it with a future attorney. General it will be up to the purview of a future attorney general in his administration to determine how to handle any investigation. Oh goody that's that's exciting stuff. Sure appoint a special counsel now gang by the way. The time for healing has already begun. The washington post printed a cartoon over the weekend. The media are very into the healing. The washington post printed a cartoon over the weekend that literally portrayed republicans as physical rats. Put their names on various types of cartoon rats one hundred of them really really solid stuff right there from the Nothing nothing says coming together and healing sort of like radical dehumanisation by actually drawing your opponents as physical rats and putting their names on them. Really good stuff okay. A couple of quick political notes before we part today so number one. I just have to know this. Because it's hilarious. I alexander cortez. She keeps saying that. She's a very important legislator It turns out that her own party is like no. We don't like you very much. It turns out that the dislike for aoc spans the political aisle. According to ryan's veteran reporting over daily wire representative alexandria ocasio cortez was overwhelmingly rejected during a secret. Ballot vote on friday in her bid to be seated on a powerful congressional committee. Democrats overwhelmingly voted to give the seat on house. Energy and commerce committee is representative kathleen rice democrat of new york instead of aoc and what ended up being a forty six to thirteen vote. Ouch kathleen rice is a more moderate democrat who also happens to have spent her time instead of posting videos on instagram on twitch actually working the democrats in order to get that slot according to politico rice of course hasn't been battling behind the scenes for weeks to secure one of the few open seats on the exclusive committee which oversees everything from healthcare policy to climate issues. Tensions spilled out into the open. Thursday in a private meeting of the steering and policy committee or democrats were forced to choose between the two members and eight tenths and awkward secret ballot vote. They still have secret ballots. He can say that you don't like amc anonymously. Politico notes that okasha cortez was rejected because many in the party view her far left policies is a threat and also she's been backing all sorts of challenges to incumbents like. You know what screw you. One member of congress told axios vote would have been very different. If it wasn't secret which suggests democrats are afraid of as he publicly but secretly they really really do not like her at all like at all so that was a bit of delicious news. Final bit of news. That is worthy of comment today. There's a report out there. That president trump met with rudy. Giuliani as well as sydney powell. And michael flynn on friday and apparently according to the new york times during the meeting trump considered making sydney powell a campaign team. And who has fired reggie. She was fired a special counsel investigating voter fraud. No no no. No maroon is a terrible idea. The reason it is a terrible idea is because she literally suggested that. The chinese and venezuelans had only election without providing any significant evidence in court. At all of these of these oppositions. Sydney powell was fired for from from regionally on his legal team for very good reason. Most of his advisors opposed at the idea including guiliani. By the way chief of staff mark meadows white house counsel pasa baloney repeatedly pushed back on the ideas being proposed which reportedly included trump asking. Flynn about flynn's suggestion of deploying the military. Okay again file. Everyone's going to go nuts over this and frankly this question is absurd on. Its face knows. Deploying the military to overturn the results of the electoral college. But the the reason that it doesn't matter is because it doesn't matter in terms of actual outcome. It's not gonna matter. Is it insane. That trump even suggested that ya. It's kind of insane. That trump suggested that under a lot of other things trump has said that over over the course of the last few years That are are not quite in the realm of the reasonable. So that that is. That is where things stand again. The process continues to move forward. The house will have a final opportunity to change the results of the electoral college in january. But there's been no sign that that is going to happen. Okay so later. Today matt will be here. He'll be guest hosting this shows traditional hours of content. Make sure to come tune in for that. In the meantime we'll see you here tomorrow. I'm ben shapiro. This is the ben shapiro. Show the ben shapiro. Show is produced by colton us executive producer. Jeremy boring are supervising. Producers are mathis clever and robert stirling production manager pavel. Wisneski are associate producers are rebecca doyle and savannah dominquez. The show is edited by adam. Cy ovens audio is mixed. 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Hour 2: 4/16/20

The Paul Finebaum Show

36:41 min | 1 year ago

Hour 2: 4/16/20

"The cried passion than pattern tree of college football leaves. Keer these Paul Finebaum show our to podcast. We walked me back. The second half is live and underway and we will get back to your phone calls Shortly but we want to welcome in a very special guests will muschamp the head football coach at South Carolina and coach. Show good afternoon. And we certainly hope you've gotten through this Situation Well we trust. You have good afternoon. Paul it's great to great to have me on. Obviously we're all going through a very difficult time right now and and so it's a tough deal and it's kind of tough talk about football when we've gone what we've got going on in our country right now but. I appreciate all the health workers and the doctors the nurses the medical staff the first responders and in what they're doing to stop the spread of this virus and and And saving lives right now. They're certainly in the line of fire there on the front line. Let's stay there for a second because people like you have stepped up and because of the influence you have and in your region and and as you have you watched it for forgetting the football angle just as a as a citizen and somebody who cares a lot about your community in this country Just some thoughts on what you've witnessed especially in turn on the same subject that you were mentioning because there's so many people of whether whether they're in Healthcare or the we talked to truckers people that delivered a grocery stores people to work at grocery stores. You don't really I'm really I mean I hate. We're going over going through it. It's it's tragic but there are some people finally getting some recognition coach. No doubt about it. you know. It was funny but two weeks ago. My wife Carol. They're sitting there having dinner and just talking in terms of our country. What we're going through. How can we help? How can we make a difference in our community? We started the foundation. Feed our heroes which you can donate if you go to Central Carolina Community Foundation and look up feed our heroes and this is helping the healthcare workers in Sumter richland and Lexington counties here in the State of South Carolina. We've had some local people recently. Step up Chris. Ecker from the chick-fil-a on Garner sery- as as made a wonderful contribution and Jesse voted from southern way catterick catering here in Columbia both Big gamecocks reporters. But they've come up big for us and big contributions along with Joe Walker at At Marco's pizza but just to help our our healthcare workers there once on the frontline caroline. I made a the first trip Delivering pizzas along Joe Walker. Who has owned Seventeen Marco's and in the Columbia area and some of the nurses came out and it was amazing. Their gratitude gracious. They were offer what we're doing and and It just makes you feel good. The the difference. They're making in this small gesture that we can make for them. My Wife's a big fan of Marco's by the way And I I'm I'm the subject of what you do. Every day What had the challenges been just trying to keep up with the novel your players but Try to get through spring and and look ahead to whatever is in front of us. Well there's a lot to work on in this day and age of technology are able to do a lot on your laptop at home and being able to get a lot worked on whether it's watching recruiting tape whether it's starting yourself from last year we did get five days of practice in which was good Or studying opponents for next or we always have all season projects that we look at and look at it schematically on offense defense special teams what somebody's doing in our league or in college football in the National Football League so we have more time to to study those things right now. We're staff meeting twice a week. It's generally about an hour long meeting sometimes more than that to cover recruiting in anything. We need to UPDATE WITHIN OUR OUR TEAM. And we're meeting positionally with our players five days a week. Talk about scheme on offense or defense. Connor showers have our foot beyond football program. He's having a one once a week meeting with each position group and really really covering the mental health of things to make sure our guys are staying connected. So when you're on a team it's you're part of a brotherhood you live with these guys. You're you interact with these guys every day. And that was my biggest concern. Is these guys being separated from each other and not being connected as they had been? So we're doing the best things we can do from zoom standpoint from Facetime standpoint from Madden tournaments online to where our team can stay connected as best they can and Kevin Elko. Obviously you know Kevin. It's done some leadership stuff and leadership in crisis situations and tragedy situation. That's what we're going through to to help our leadership to know how to deal with it with our football team Shimon. Ask You about the mental health aspect. Everyone's going through it in a different way but young people I think or challenged even more or or in ways that maybe the two of us aren't because of what we now. But what are you sensing? What are you seeing? Just the uncertainty fallen. I think you're one hundred percent Ryan I mean. Just there's a lot more questions than there are answers and it's frustrating and they want some finale to something. They want that they want to know when there's an end date there's an end of the season there's an end of spring practice. There's an end of the workout and and our guys are so in tuned to that and right now there's no index it there will be. I mean but we just don't know when that's going to be a and that's probably the frustrating part of that for our guys the most constant questions and I think they're tired of hearing you know I don't really know right now and that's where we are and I really really proud of our guys and how they've handled that. Katy Christian runs our academic program. He's been very pleased and our guys have handled a lot of guys. Didn't sign up to be online and sometimes that's very difficult. Some people learn different ways and some people don't learn very well in an online situation anymore. L. Personal contact. And so that's just not happening right now but I appreciate our guys adjusted and adapted to the situation. Coaches are the ones who lead and you were the ones that everyone on that. Campus look toward. But but I'm sure even for you. It's an uncertain time. Just trying to to prepare but not really knowing what is next. How are you? How are you coping with it? Well we're moving forward that we're playing in the fall and that's the only thing I know to control and whenever I get that phone call coach. Standard says we're bringing the guys back to campus. That's we'll do and we will take from that time forward and how we will adjust. We've had a lot of discussions Clinton Haggard our head trainer and Paul Jackson our strength coach about the conditioning of our players and How far out do we need to beat in order to get them in shape for a fall season and You know I can't play all the what if I have to be concerned about. Us playing In the fall. And that's what I'm you know gearing towards right now until I hear differently that's all I really can't do it so it's hard to tell our players all the time ten percent of what what happens to you ninety. Percents what you do about it. And the ten percent is the corona virus in ninety percent is what we can do to improve and get better society every single day and and that's what we're trying to do on that subject. I mean I i. I'm not doing what you're doing. I'm I'm I'm in the arena. Total hearing all the noise and coach it's maddening. I'm sure you hear some of it Is there is there a system that you employ to try to keep it out? You know again I I just. I can't get into what if conversation I. I worry about the day to day operation of what I've got accomplished I try to. I told Congress and I really think our guys need to be in a routine. I think they'd be getting up in the morning. We need to have our position. Beat the earliest possible us. Structured around their academic meetings structured around what they're able to do from a workout standpoint. Whatever they're able to do really only about thirty to thirty percent of our players have access to late so we're doing push ups and sit ups and bodies you know body squats and different things is the best we can do. Right now So I heard somebody the other day said well. She's like the old days they don't go to spring practice. We just report in August now. It's not like the old days our guys don't have any access to the high schools have gyms or closed down they. They don't have any access to the kinds of things that you've got to do to prepare yourself for you know a training camp situation so again. There's so many what else we could be on this call forever covering it. I'm just GonNa Kinda plan on Status Quo of what we need to do to be successful. Well let me ask you what you thought of the the five days that you did get that certainly an indicator of what's on your football team. Well I think that you know coach Bo. Bo's come in and done a fantastic job. Offensively obviously his experience in our league and his experiences a play. Caller is calling factor for me and and Very direct in what we need to do. I think we're still searching for a little bit of an identity of who we are We did have some parts. That will still be a part of our team whenever we get back together on the side of the ball so it will continue to be determined. I had guys ask me. So what were you know your identity after Spring Bras and no said probably middle of training camp. Well we'll be probably about when my feels comfortable but but to be in his position having been in that position before as a coordinator or a physician coach or even head coach until Paul. You get on the field. You don't really know how a guy responds how what is competitive edge. What's his competitive nature? How does he just well in a practice situation? You just don't ever know. And so he was able to do that for five days. He's very very excited about our quarterback room is very excited about our offensive line We did lose three senior running backs. But we've got some pounding the building. I think we've recruited well and at the receiver position when you lose deebo Samuel and Brian Edwards. In back to back years that there's officers should be calls of concern but chestnut than a very productive player force and going into his senior year. We need some other guys to step up to carry on. Joyner boot from the quarterback position to the receiver position So there was some some things we saw that we liked and nick used. Go through Spring with an ACL that he had from the fall. But we'll get him back When we get back in in We need to continue to improve the tight end position. But he was pleased overall defensively. I think we've got some key parts back. I mean obviously lose Kinloch. Dj Warren and tice. Brunson three guys that have been played a bunch of good football force on the defensive side of the ball. But I think we've recorded well there You know I'm excited about what we saw on spring. I know you're not one to to look back. You came off a difficult season albeit with one of the most challenging schedules in in anyone's history. What what did you take away from from? Nineteen as you try to apply to where the program is now and and what's ahead. Well unfortunately I still stand by what I said. I felt like last year was our most out team. We we did. We failed in some areas that we needed to be more productive especially on the offense side of the ball in the latter part of the season. We just weren't as consistent in any phase on offense defense special teams and we'd never played good complementary football when we needed a stop on defense. We just never. We didn't get to it and when we needed a score needed a first down offense. We didn't get to it. You know we lead Florida going in the fourth quarter lead Tennessee in Knoxville with the momentum going into halftime. I we let two games. You know opportunities in the fourth quarter with the lead slip away so we had opportunities and we didn't. We didn't finish we're inconsistent you. Go on the road to Athens and Peter. Very Good Georgia. Well coached football team and their only loss in the last three years at home so there was some good things to look back on. Not as much as we need to. I thought we got viable experienced the quarterback position with Ryan Alinsky to offense Lineman. It started his true freshman forcing jalen Nichols in Chicago for that. I think are going to be really good players And I think we've recruited well and got to continue to do that to build a roster. It's hard and football doesn't happen in one season or two seasons that takes time we did take a step back but I like where we finally coach during this period. And I know you're working every day But I would also guess You tell me I. It's a little bit different than it would have been normally Have you stopped at all? Or is there a time to reflect a little bit and I learned from the change of scenery so to speak. I've really enjoyed being at home with Caroline Jackson where that you don't offer session we don't we don't get to spend enough time with our families is is we. Should I change light bulbs for the first time in like twenty five years about that? That was that was the first took me a while to figure out how to do it to be honest with you but it wasn't that hard. I mean there's just some things I've I've done that I haven't done and while and that's But that's good and that's it gives you some reflection with your family and then we certainly have enjoyed that part. I get to work out with Jackson and wit and Carol works out with us most days. That's been fun to to be a part of that which I've never been able to consistently do that like I have during this time. So we've enjoyed that part of being together as a family. We've enjoyed it. Has Dad keeping up with the elite athletes in the family? Well you know. I introduced pushing a car so we did that when I was in high school back in the old I got Jackson went behind my suv. The other day Carol filmed it and they got a pretty good leg workout. They we got. I got about a forty yard driveway. So it's perfect for sprints perfect for interval sprint some strides and then we we We did some some some Tractor pushing The other day today into yesterday and we're going to get it in again tomorrow. I I have to go back to the light bulb because where I come from. They're a million light bulb jokes. How did you did you? Were you able to get it incorrectly? It only took one last chance to get it done. Yeah coach thank you very much all the Best Ball. You Take Care Okay. Great to talk to you. We'll must yep Joining us from Columbia was some entertainment there at the end. We'll take a short break. Your your reaction to that we we have a real comedian coming up in about forty five minutes. But I'm not sure we'll talk that you're listening to Paul Finebaum show podcast. We welcome you back Fantastic conversation there with coach Muschamp. I thought he sounded very relaxed in quite comedic would you folks think Oh. Let's get back to the calls at eight five five two four to seven to eight five. Mike is up next am I yes? You're on the air go ahead. I'm sorry I'm sorry. I know distasteful as it is to you. I really do think that the only answer is to play spring abbreviated football schedule. Starting in March and play Basketball January February play conference teams only okay And then have a maybe a sixteen team playoff and May and that's it and then do the very same thing next Paul Ryan Twenty okay. What happens though to the elite players? Who are waiting to be drafted around this time. You think it wasn't until I mean these guys don't him on August GonNa be an adjustment that the NFL has to make right if they have to hold their draft before that spring season is over. So bad I I you know. It's just not going to be normal. And this is all vaccine related. I mean hey if the vaccine is not a vaccine by next January. You're not just wasting their time talking about Crowds at Games. Maybe even games so You know I just think that playing to conference only schedules in one year is not that big a load. They're going to have to have no contact practices. They're almost do that anyway. And I think that's maybe the only answer. I don't like it though by the big Tennessee fan but I think we must champ is a is is really good for the SEC. I I like his attitude and his personality and I hope South Carolina people get fully behind him. Well thank you Michio. Listen I I'm GonNa Point now where I can give an opinion on an idea but it doesn't mean it won't happen in your idea makes makes a little bit of sense. Thank you very much for the call. Jerry is in Mississippi. Hello Jerry how are you doing? I'm doing well well. I'm doing pretty good too. I maybe I'm off in left. Field Paul but I disagree with JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY. You've had on today's okay. I'm I'm seventy nine years ago. I had surgery sixteen years ago. I'm in pretty good health. I go grocery stores. I go shopping. I can't walk into my local McDonald's hamburger because that's against the law but I could feel local supermarket around everybody living in a town like seventy thousand people so everybody in this little town go the supermarket. That's illegal and I wanted to push back a little bit on. What Booker said he was saying. That like eighteen. Seventeen to twenty two year old boys. You know they'd be out there playing football against each other first place. If I'm not mistaken you have to be in good shape to play football and you better be probably want out of a hundred thousand people between seventeen and twenty three years old going to die from the virus so he's got a lot more trouble a lot bigger chance. I mean getting killed playing football breaking the habit I couldn't catch. It are dying of heat. Stroke the odds are greater than it is dying this virus. I think personally. I think that the virus has been blown way out of proportion. I can understand New York where they all live on top of each other but the whole world is not like New York City. And that's like I was born in Nineteen forty one and we've had what thirty five thousand people died. This year aren't in nineteen fifty seven. I was in the tenth grade. We had ninety. Thousand people died in fifty seven and we probably just had two thirds the amount of population and fifty seven. That's what we have now. So that would probably equate the hundred fifty thousand people back but we didn't shut the country down. I don't even remember there being a flu epidemic. I went to high school in Nineteen fifty seven so I mean I think the whole country has gone totally mad. I've never seen anything like what do you think? Well before I answer let me ask you. Do you think the country has gone mad? I don't know I really don't I it? It just boggles my mind because the only thing I can I watch all of the people on TV talking about it all the time. It's the only thing I can say. They say it's a lot more catching what the normal flu is. But and then as the people it's been calling you today we're not going to ever get it back say well the vaccine don't work. I mean flu vaccine worked about forty fifty sixty percent of the time so having a vaccine is not going the one thing the one thing I will say about and and you're right. The flu vaccine is very difficult to get right. But the one thing I'm told and I'm not a I'm no more Scientists and you are the flu vaccine in May not prevent you from getting the flu but it could save your life by having it and I would say I fully vaccine every I got something in November and the audience knows knows it because they heard me on the show for three weeks and we we never could figure out what it was and I'm trying to be mysterious about that offended a lot of our. I've had someone who is licensed physician make that suggestion? It was? It was bizarre so it wasn't the flu though so but it was close well like like Like the thanks coach because he vars. Don't say all he had was we he did. Have a favorite didn't get sick so now we don't know how many people said don't really seriously ill and to me the day the danger of a this is is is having it just spread to countless people. I mean the the worst places have been the nursing homes. And that's that's the. I'm I understand the argument that you're making and I'm paying close attention to because you've seen a lot in your lifetime. But the point of it is people that go to ball games. They're not going to be interacting whole lot with the people in the nursing home and I don't know if you're bad diabetic you think you're not allowed to go into the ballgame and most of the people have died over eighty years old. They've been overweight and they've been a diabetic. Gohar bike but young people like football players high school or college approved. Now they're not going to die from this virus and so I don't understand these people calling in and the lawyers that called from California. I understand why people don't like lawyers. I mean they're lowest policy but I mean he was talking about las in Las. That's one thing wrong. This country now lawsuits Jerry. That I agree with you on someone who has spent more time in court than I needed to it. In the early part of my career I totally agree with you there but I think I read correct me. If I'm not right on this but I believe in Great Britain. If I see you and I lose I say if I tell you now it may be a frivolous lawsuit but you gotTa go higher your lawyer and spend the money but if I see you in England and I lose I have to pay my lawyer that you're logging now there is in. I don't WanNa like I know too much about civil lawsuits but there are some provisions in this country that you can. You can recoup that you can. You can sue for damages. It's fairly standard. Thanks for the call. We're up against the break and Lottery action and what coach Muschamp had to say especially the LIGHTBULB joke of affiliate that would be repeated a few times. We'll have a comedian on She'll steal that one in the next hour Roy. Wood Junior a lot of folks certainly know him and a little bit later on we'll head down to baton rouge. We are coming back. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum. Show podcast welcome back. We are here on a Thursday afternoon. We're going to talk a Roy. Wood junior one of the funniest comedians anywhere in the next hour. We are taking phone calls now in buddies in Gainesville. Hello Buddy Paul. How are you today? I'm well thank you very much good. Hey I'm gonNA bring up something that you may have to Bring up to your friends on Get up in the morning. Because you're so tight with riddick and all those guys that are so much smarter than than I am on NFL. Now you're more of a college guy but I have a a a question. I think could be a serious question. relative to draft in the NFL. So obviously the twenty twenty draft is going to happen in the next few days right. Yeah without question. It's going to happen. However the twenty twenty football season is very much in question for obviously college and also for pro so if there is no football so we're saying there's no pro football season. There's no college football season Obviously Trevor Lawrence would would roll to the top of the heap as far as quarterbacks. Could you see a scenario where people this year and this draft if there's if they think there's no season next year start swapping picks to prepare for next year's draft and then what would be the alignment? How do they realign the draft for next year? What would be the draft order? Do you have any clue how they would go about that? No I don't it's A. It's a fantastic question. We will find somebody as we get ready for the draft a week from today to try and answer that. I don't yeah I don't think you'll see anyone Do that because I think there seems to be more optimism for a for an NFL season in a college season because of some of the issues that we have discussed. Thank you for the call. A great question and I'll see if we can get an answer for you. Howard is up next. Hey Paul this is Howard and equipment Georgia Howard. Great to have you on. Hey Listen Paul I. I got a two part question for you. First of all. There's been talk about the college football season being pushed to the spring I WanNa know what your thoughts are on. That don't like it at all. I really don't to me say it's fraught with issues The biggest directly conflicts with college basketball and I realized football is the biggest money maker but is that fair to sabotage your basketball season. Well as a as a former Florida athlete and a A loyal Florida Fan of all sports. you know. I look at it. It doesn't it does all. It doesn't just jeopardized basketball. Then you got the are a Florida you're right. They're all a things all we've got golf. We've got tennis. We've got all these Sports that we are so You know we're always in contention and You know so. So how do you make fans choose to go? Well one or the other I I would need before. I could really get to deepen Howard. I really need to understand what they're talking about. And and will get that information because we've talked to either one of our guests other days acknowledged that he's a conference commissioner that it was on the table there couple of other things. I don't like about it first of all you know. How long of a season is it? Are you playing games in In February when it can be unbelievably cold In most of the country outside of the deep South and if you don't have an agreement with the NFL you run a big risk of seeing players. Bail early. You already see players doing that now. For Bowl Games The fact that it may hurt their stock or they may get hurt period. If you're an elite athlete playing on a team in March or April and your team isn't very good. I mean you have no reason to keep playing. You're you're going to be uninterested or disinterested very quickly and even if you are let's say you're trevor. Lawrence in the draft does occur on the third or fourth week in April. Do you really want to keep playing if your team even if your national championship I I just think they're way too many issues right you know. And if you're a sports junkie like I am you know you. It also comes into play the the NCAA Finals of Journal Arch Madness. Final Four. You you have to do something with that You'd have to move that back and you're GonNa die and then you're gonNA to compete that with the The final four in football. And you know I. It just seems like a whole I am. Let me let me let me bring up the biggest problem. Let's say you start the season in March and ended in. May Are you then going to ask These these college athletes to turn around and show back up for Camping in July. Yeah exactly You know You know there's nothing more than I would that that I would hope for that. We could get this behind us and we could start to college football season. Hopefully with fans And and I you know as I said I'M A. I'm a loyal fan and love to watch all college. Football Games If we had to watch football without band I would do it just because it's there but you know I've I've heard your other callers call in and talk about well. Okay so if you're I think BOOGER McFarland said it. Maybe that Okay if you're if you're not going to allow fans in the stands to sit next to each other and how can you expect players to be on the field mixing it up and yeah the one thing I would add to that I? I think you can do it unless the students are on campus number two. I think if you don't have fans and you know the bigger argument is very legitimate. One and I and I think your argument that this is amateur. Athletics is completely and totally destroyed. We are heading to a break. Mortar com or your phone calls when we come back to and listening to the Paul Finebaum. Show podcast. Walk me back appreciate you being here? We'll mush joins US earlier. Fantastic conversation with him. Let's check in with Daniel. Next in Alabama. Hello Daniel Daniel. Good afternoon hello. Can you hear me now? Yes I sure can't thank you okay Previous caller talked about the nineteen fifty seven epidemic pandemic Brady got way wrong. There was over a hundred and ten thousand deaths in the United States alone and a million worldwide. And the reason that happened is they weren't doing social distancing all the things we're doing now What I would love to hear. Some people in the sports community say is we're dealing with people's lives here. Yes it's a multibillion dollar business but what matters more plea what do you think? Yeah I I would agree with you on the On the on the nine thousand nine hundred Spanish flu I. I don't think any life is worth it. I want the same thing that everyone else wants. This isn't a hobby for me. It's not a passion. It's it's what I do and I find some people out there Daniel who don't like Commentary from people from those who questioned whether we should have a season or not and he tried it. Try to catch those political ideology. That's not the way it is your comments or one hundred percent correct. I love football. I love basketball. I love all college sports. Frankly I don't really like professional sports that much but but I don't WanNa see people Being the students for instance being put into a A locker room or students being put into a classroom. Imagine Auburn or Alabama twenty five thirty five thousand students randomly put twenty time in classrooms. It's GonNa spread again if we don't have vaccine. And that's the most important thing until friends leave everybody along and Daniel the I do know a number of presidents of universities. They they are very thoughtful people and I can't. I can't imagine one. In this country that would risk The wellbeing of one of his or her student athletes. Thank you very much for the call. Augie is in New Orleans. Paul how are you doing today? We're good allegheny. Thank you hope you are doing pretty good. It's great to hear from Harry and my friend met shadow. Met the sounds well and good interview yesterday with Mario Cristobal it's It just shows how your show has expanded and in the whole country. I mean you've got the PAC ten now so so much for the PAC ten work for the guy who called and asked why was to lane wearing blue uniforms or their colors are olive and blue. So Harry could probably give us a rundown on the history of two lane Sports but yesterday you had a Peace with Stephen a Smith when he had comments about I think he was talking about pro football and primarily before and I know a lot of people to unbridged to his comments that well nobody's GonNa Watch it if they're no fans in the stands. I think right now. We Probably Watch two Scorpions flight if it was live So to say that people aren't GonNa Watch pro football with no fans in the stands. That's pretty crazy. I think Steven A. was right on and my understanding That you didn't necessarily agree with that. Was that true or I was I. I don't have a strong opinion on professional sports. I have a strong opinion on College Sports. But do you think it's even possible that if they have virtual classrooms next year how would they even brings student athletes on board even if they quarantined them and tested them and kept them separated from every? That's all you can do. I mean how would you be able to manage that? Well it would be difficult because these are not the only people the players are not the not the only factors here you have. You HAVE ANCILLARY STAFF. People that are becoming in contact with so. I think it would be the same thing that you would do. I mean right right now if you go to a medical office your temperature is taken before you get in the elevator and thank you have situations like that as well but you also out to have your also have to Provide nutrition for them. Then you bring a whole new group of people into the equation. There has to be Custodial care to say the least exactly. I mean you're talking about you would have to have the military disciplines to the same age group. Seventeen to eighteen to twenty one year olds without the military authority and CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE TO PUNISH VIOLATIONS. Because if one guy goes out and doesn't report it and gets infected and of course he doesn't want to let people know he was out then. There's the whole ball of wax so I see how that's going to happen. And as far as people coming into the stands and and catching a disease and then the school or the professional team has liability. I'm not so sure that once go very far is a lawsuit because I mean there's an assumption of the risk when you do that which is different from going into work in not being provided protection under you know Osha or workplace safety rules and then state law that applies to unemployment that anyway. It's just a big mess and When do you think is the last possible date? We can have an answer for fall sports to happen. I think you're I think you could possibly go into into June. If if if you had a hopeful environment You could maybe wait a little bit longer but I don't think you can go much much later than that. There are a lot of things that you need to have in order. You have to have ready to go. Augie thanks as always always a pleasure to talk to you. It's been a busy show already with coach Mush Champa yesterday coach. Pittman in Mario Crystal. We will have the Roy junior coming up here shortly.

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Covid-19 and AI: Tracking a Virus, Finding a Treatment

WSJ The Future of Everything

22:10 min | 1 year ago

Covid-19 and AI: Tracking a Virus, Finding a Treatment

"I'm jack how hosted the new Barron Streetwise podcast. I'm business and investing each week. We hear from company chiefs and analysts about profound changes facing investors. We've heard from Disney's Bob Iger about the future of movies and theme parks. Cvs Is Larry Merlo about stores providing more health services. And Ford's Jim Hackett about how the pandemic might change the car business. Subscribe to Baron Streetwise on Apple. Podcast spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts when a new respiratory virus started cropping up in. Wuhan China late last year. It didn't seem like that big of a deal. Everybody you thought that's going to be kind of a fluke right so great affleck SARS so yes. There are many infected. People were isolated. China is affected but they managed to kind of control it but as we all know now that was not the case. This novel Corona Virus was busy spreading fast. There are now two hundred and eighteen confirmed cases of the new corona virus. Most of them in Wuhan where. The outbreak originating cases have been increasing in India rapidly with active cases. Crossing three hundred across Europe is been another day of grim statistics and images as the virus spreads alarm bells started to ring a number of people who've died from Corona virus in. Italy has now overtaken figure in. We are in desperate need of nurses and Physicians Governments Institutions. Healthcare officials sprung into action. This can go on for several months. Okay we ought. Scientists were already on it eager to address a growing crisis. Many ramped up their research. They became like first responders by team. Who LIVED IN THE LAB? They essentially moved in in the office and slept there. This team was using one of the few tools capable of matching. The pandemics ruthless speed artificial intelligence. Ai A is able to sift through large piles of data faster than any human ever could. And in this case a I came up with a lot of possibilities. So we generated about one hundred thousand molecules in about four days and it's not just researchers in the field. Scientists have all stripes are mobilizing looking for something doctors and scientists. You know do the throw the kitchen sink. Approach it right and just let see if there's any sort of theoretical or scientific basis that might work. Well let's try it out from the Wall Street Journal. This is the future of everything. I'M JANET BABYLON. Today on the podcast. I look at the raw a I is playing in the fight against the novel Corona Virus. From how a. I predicted where the virus would spread to how scientists are using it to try and find a cure. I'm jack how hosted the new Barron Streetwise podcast. I'm business and investing each week. We hear from company chiefs and analysts about profound changes facing investors. We've heard from Disney's Bob Eiger about the future of movies and theme parks. Cvs Larry Merlo about stores providing more health services. And Ford's Jim Hackett about how the pandemic might change the car business. Subscribe to Baron Streetwise on Apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. This is the future of everything. I'm Janet Bobbin there are so many potential ways that a I can help Battle Kovic. Nineteen the disease that comes from the novel. Corona virus that a group of researchers wrote a brief paper outlining all the disparate efforts. It's called mapping the landscape of AI applications against Cova nineteen pretty straightforward title. This list includes about a dozen projects already. It gets longer every day and it includes initiatives like may I can support a diagnosis to projects can identify existing drugs. The reason there are so many. Ai Projects surrounding the pandemic is the technologies promise of improved speed and accuracy. John McCormick is deputy editor on the Wall Street. Journal's pro team he's been reporting on a I for twenty years. Can you tell us in very basic terms? What is a I basically? It's techniques used to teach computers to learn to reason perceive infer communicate and make decisions as similar to or better than humans. A lot of different organizations are embracing a because it can recognize patents and use that to predict outcomes. This is the way. Companies and institutions around the globe are already using. Ai Algorithms they analyze data that access early warning signals to predict all kinds of shifting winds a model that will tell them what people will search for. What though by next what? They'll watch tonight on Netflix ex. There are companies whose a I models are tracking air pollution to detect upticks in economic activity and some of these models knew about the corona virus outbreak. Even before humans did there was some early reports that companies like Blue Dad with. It's an organisation lake health map that were able to predict the outcome before the CDC and the World Health Organization had an important role in the initial understanding of this outbreak. Canadian specialist blue dot deals with global epidemic intelligence the Foster Board of an impending by his blue dot. What not many know. Is that the Canadian Health Monitoring? Ai Platform called blue dot. Did both of them to the punch. We were one of the first groups in the world that identified this outbreak. Flu DODD IS TORONTO BASED COMPANY THAT TRACKS Infectious Diseases. It was started by a doctor. Cameron con he lived through an outbreak of SARS severe acute respiratory syndrome that was also caused by corona virus at the hospital. He was working at one of his colleagues died from it. Con- made it his mission to find ways. Technology could predict disease so that people could be warned before an outbreak happened. They went out and they look at. I think it's one hundred thousand. Maybe more news articles from local and international newspapers around the world they do pick up official reports from health organizations like the World Health Organization but then they pull in realtime climate data from satellites. They look at flight information from the airlines. The poll in government sources bat populations are in different cities. They look at insect control. Obviously with the Zeke that was obviously something that came from bugs and basically what they do. Is they start to crunch all that data and he put it into a central repository. That contains details. Not just the the new information that the gathering but information that they've collected on a hundred and fifty different pathogens and they use artificial intelligence to scan all that information full language patterns and topics and Meanings and sentiments about infectious diseases. Then the system is able to pick out signals that could indicate an outbreak then filters and organizes and analyzes that data and so the system can actually spat an outbreak in the findings reviewed by experts late in December. Twenty Nineteen Blue Dots started picking up on unusual data patterns. Coming Out of China. They spotted a number signals. That indicated something might be going on. I mean the social media feeds started to pick up a lot of things about undiagnosed pneumonia in Wuhan so picked up on that and then the system again was actually able to predict that the virus would spread because they were looking at airline traffic data so they looked at Wuhan. They looked at where the flights were going and he sort of put all their analysis figured out how many people might be getting unplanned. Swear those planes would be going and obviously the flight set of Wuhan. We're going to Bangkok and Hong Kong and Tokyo. And that's actually whether it's his. He's starting to spread around the same time. Health Map a nonprofit disease outbreak monitoring tool based at Boston. Children's Hospital was getting similar results. Even though it's a model considers different information in addition to all the collection or aggregation of data. They also take in eyewitness account so they have people around the world that are actually talking to people in looking at things and they'll put that eyewitness information into their calculations but these models all this information it wasn't enough to stop the corona virus from spreading or to accurately predict what the virus was going to do when it got to those places in order for a I'd pick up padding or have the ability to come up with some sort of analysis a conclusion. It needs a lot of data. Some governments have been using. Ai during the pandemic as part of their efforts to stop the virus is spread for example. Taiwan offered citizens real time. Updates of cove infected areas but there are still issues a hostile workout. If you're looking at troch discovery if you're looking to make a predictive model if you're looking to do anything especially around Disease Prediction. You need a ton a ton of data and then even in the medical field. The added problem of privacy which is a good thing but in water for a whole lot of medical applications of pharmaceutical applications or other applications. You're always looking for as much as you can. And particularly in healthcare setting you know. Obviously there's patient privacy so healthcare organization so companies working with a healthcare applications. One is much actual patient data that they can get but hospitals. Just can't send them. They're medical files. All that data has to be anonymous in certain. Instances people have to agree so this all these barriers to getting the data. But that's a really really big colonel coming up we'll talk with one company trying to overcome that hurdle and a startup working to create a drug to treat Cova nineteen. I'm Janet Bobbin this is the future of everything from the Wall Street Journal. You're listening to the future of everything. I'm channel Bobbin. The global pandemic has prompted a staggering number of labs universities companies and countries to work often collaborative -ly to identify both new and existing drugs. That could tackle Cova nineteen Chinese scientists sequenced the viruses genetic code the US government has made its supercomputers available to researchers and the White House has created a machine readable repository of cove in nineteen papers called the cove nineteen open research data set one a startup. Sharing some of its work is in Silica. Medicine in Silica uses machine learning algorithms to make new drugs or repurpose old ones for different diseases. The company usually focuses on moneymakers anti-ageing treatments or finding drugs to treat cancer. It got a lot of accolades last year for quickly. Identifying potential new compounds that could treat fibrosis but when covert nineteen broke out. Ceo Alex Chevron Cough shifted the business to finding a Treatment Wall Street Journal reporter. Jared Council wrote about in Silla goes efforts and we all got together on a video call. So I've got my iphone voice memos right so Hello this is Alex Kershaw and I'm the founder and CEO of a company called in Salako medicine. So we're a global company headquartered in Hong Kong. I am in has Amir right now. So it's a small location near London. And here's jared yes yes I'm Jerry Council. I work on the Enterprise Technology team that BS J when Alex started hearing news reports of pneumonia like illness spreading through. Wuhan lead last year he mobilized to staff so what we did where at all of the available materials all of the available proteins that are known to facilitate either infection or replication of the virus. Just to explain how this works one way to stop. Virus is to search for a substance that will mess with the thing it absolutely needs to make copies of itself and that is usually a protein if you can jam up a key. Protein than the virus can't replicate itself. We zoomed in on one of the very promising and established brought the. It's called the three. See like brought Hayes which facilitates replication of the virus and is very well known Sars and also and Sarah's covy to to promote infection in case you missed that the protein is called a three c like protease a protein that plays a role in covy to what researchers called a new virus as well as in other corona viruses. Like SARS and this is a protein. That's part of the virus correct. So you're able to disable it. Then you can inhibit the viruses that is correct so if we can selectively targeted with a small molecule with essentially a drug would disable the virus and. We would not tom the patient in any way. Think of it like a lock and key. The virus protein is the lock the molecule that will disrupt it is the key. It only works if it fits exactly right. If this were a pharmaceutical company it would most likely be physically making or buying these molecules completing physical simulations and testing them out. That process can take years but remember. These guys are chemists mathematicians. They're working with computers not petri dishes. They're running algorithms trained to predict which molecules will make the most likely key they also cook up new molecules adding some materials were moving others but again with a I. The algorithms are stimulating. The best key. That's literally with the name. In Silica means in simulation they are creating virtual molecules that don't even exist yet. Hey I- accomplishes this with something called neural networks. Maybe you've heard the term. It refers to computing systems that are loosely designed to work like neurons in a human brain lease networks ingest data text images videos and more based on that information. They can teach themselves to make predictions find solutions in Silica. The company uses a number of AI. Techniques one is called Ganz generative adversarial networks. The term adversarial is the clue to how these neural networks function. This is where researchers set up to neural networks that are adversaries. Alex says it's like they're fighting against each other to be the best. So one network is a generator. Genuine kind of meaningful output in response to our request and another network has called a discriminator. It trying to catch whether the output of the generator is true or false. This is the same kind of technique that brought the world deep fakes and other websites that produce synthetic images and videos. There's a website called. This person does not exist dot com which is essentially a bunch of random faces of people who look real who actually are not real. You know it's a computer. Algorithm came up with these faces because some someone taught it. Hey this is what a human face looks like just like the algorithms that make deep fakes were trained to recognize and replicate a nose or an eye to make a person. Alex told his algorithms to imagine molecules with certain attributes. He's looking for like they have to be soluble. And they have to be bioavailable and they have to be able to permeate tissue or be able to cross the blood brain barrier and the molecules have to have the right framework designed to again exactly fit in that protein. So we're essentially building the perfect needles instead of searching for a needle in a haystack. This process can be much faster than a conventional drug discovery pipeline and in the throes of a pandemic be in. Silica team worked even faster than usual. So we generate at about one hundred thousand molecules in about four days within narrow down those one hundred thousand molecules to about one hundred. Okay so just think about this for a minute. From the one hundred thousand molecules the. Ai identified another set of Ai Processes then narrow the selection down to the most promising one hundred molecules in four days. My team was so eager to do it. Quickly that they've essential lived in the lab so they launched the process and then they wait for you know twenty hours for it to complete. They time it if something goes wrong. They restarted and they essentially moved in and slept. There in. Silica is in the process of making batches of the most promising seven molecules. They'll be tested against the virus in test tubes and if they work there they'll then go through several rounds of Pricey and time consuming clinical trials but Alex estimates that if all goes according to plan a new drug from his lab wouldn't be ready for at least a year an expert. Say Even. That's a long shot. The road to new drugs is peppered with promising attempts that failed and in this respect. Finding new drugs using. Ai is no different IPING. Joe Walker to talk about this. He's a reporter with the Wall Street Journal's Health and Sciences Bureau. The might not doing a no. You're doing it right now yeah. He told me that. Initially a lot of pharmaceutical executives had put great faith in a is ability to more quickly produce new drugs and I think that what you've seen is that some of them have been disappointed with the results. The reality hasn't quite matched the promise. Just yet is just one piece of the puzzle. There are actually hundreds of clinical trials. Happening ALL OVER THE WORLD. China Asia Europe here in the US in those are primarily with older drugs that are already in the market for other diseases so think about hydroxy chloroquine. For instance right something. That's news lot now in a number of other drugs and this is sort of what happens when you have an outbreak like this where it comes out suddenly and is killing people and we don't know how to treat it doctors and scientists you know do the throw the kitchen sink approach at right and just let see if there's any sort of theoretical or scientific basis that might work. Well let's try it out. That ideology is reminiscent of another virus. That captured the world's attention decades ago. Think about something like HIV. It's also virus a foreign pathogen. It's mysterious it's deadly and it's baffling medical science Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome AIDS epidemic said. The headlines is spreading so rapidly that it threatens to overwhelm. San Francisco's financial ability. To deal with there are no drugs. Were no treatments. So as a frightening time to find out it took many many years for us to get a handle on that and we did actually right. We done really wonders with HIV. But it didn't happen right away more than thirty years after the AIDS epidemic materialized. Hiv is controllable with drugs but there is still new. Cure a no vaccine. Researchers are hopeful the technologies like a I that were mostly unavailable during the initial AIDS epidemic will speed the process for Kovic nineteen. Joe Expect some of the cove in nineteen therapies being tested to be ready by summer which seems incredibly fast it is arguably fast and I think there's a big if there we don't no one. We'll have a treatment if we'll ever have a treatment frankly. The future of everything is a production of the Wall Street Journal. Thanks to Wall Street Journal. Reporter's Joseph Walker Jared Counsel and deputy editor John McCormack Stephanie. Ilgenfritz is the editorial director of the future of everything Lee. Camping Carter is our digital director. Jacob Gorski is our sound designer Qatari. Yokum is the Wall Street. Journal's Executive Producer of audio. I'm Janet Boban. Thanks for listening stay safe.

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Episode 132: Herrin Massacre

Criminal

25:55 min | 1 year ago

Episode 132: Herrin Massacre

"I always talked about how the best kept secret ever and the people of hair took though secrets in what they saw to their grape. This author Scott duty in the summer of nineteen twenty two in a town called Heron in southern Illinois. Twenty three people were murdered over two days. Men Women Women and children came out of their houses to watch and in some cases take part in the violence. I don't understand how this just happens. How was there any voice of reason in this whole thing seeing that an and I hear this in your voice and and it's what I learned through the four or five years of research and you keep thinking you know? We all grew up watching movies. The Guy in the blackout. The guy in the white hat the good guy all movies in well so forth so on now No one stepped forward. No one stepped forward and no would discuss it more than and fifty years after the murders two college students from Southern Illinois University went to heron and started asking people to talk about what had happened and they literally drove over to Herron with a an old school type per quarter and taped men at the local pool hall in downtown Town Heron in the one thousand nine hundred seventy s guys that were alive and had participated in the massacre. Now had they thought about it. Of course you know young people. They'll do crazy things. They would have never done that but they actually got people to talk to them about what had happened human nature when somebody tried to take eleven away from me. You're going to buy even wild animal dude at what happened in here in Illinois in one thousand nine hundred twenty two is the story about what happens when the job you thought you had is taken away it's a story about money and work pride and loyalty royalty and a story about coal anyplace. Coal is in the ground. There's trouble I'm phoebe judge. This is criminal here in Illinois was cold. How local residents used to say that you could be a coal miner or a former armor inherent but the mining work was the better path and one of the reasons that working in the mines was better was because of the Union Union the United Mine Workers of America? Tell me what the unions did for the mineworkers inherent well they changed. Change their lives They knocked back that hundred hour. Work Week to a sixty hour work week to a forty hour workweek but the most important thing is the men started to have a say in how deep they'd mind how the minds were put together. What kind of construction would go into it? The safety aspects and more important the wages because they went from making nothing to Mike in a pretty decent living when the United States call commission visited hair and they wrote in their report sort that the town really believed in the union that it had quote brought them into the promise land when their government had been careless or indifferent different to their needs and then in the spring of Nineteen twenty two the united mine workers announced a national strike it would be the largest ever and would include six hundred thousand miners from every coal producing state in the country. They were striking for better. Pay On April first minors all over. The country stopped work just outside of Herron. A man named William J Lester had recently bought land and open to mine. He was new at it. He wasn't from hereon and he was in debt. Here's longtime herron resident. Joe Walker speaking in nineteen seventy eight. I was right here right in the middle of it knew all about about it. They were anxious getting a cold and didn't know anything about the CO Venice Williams J. Lester didn't WanNa stop working just just. Because the miners were on strike he had sixty thousand tons of coal that he was being told he wasn't allowed to sell an and because mines were shut down all over the country the price of coal had skyrocketed. He was sitting on call worth about three point. Seven million dollars today so lester decided to bring in Non Union Labor to help him ship and sell it. Well anybody that was acquainted in southern Illinois. I knew that you couldn't do that. Other mine operators Worn Lester not ought to cross the Union Lester still moved forward. He reportedly said I need the money. Why shouldn't I MM-HMM June fifteenth about fifty men arrived from Chicago some would work molesters mine and some would protect those workers from the people of Heron the people of hair in had been on strike for two WHO and a half months? The folks didn't have welfare fall back on There was no federal government programs. You didn't work you didn't eat. So when when Leicester decided to bring in Non Union workers that meant that all of the striking workers who who did network one point at the mine. We're just kind of sitting there in town watching these train. Cars Roll into town with these workers who were there to replace the strike breakers. Oh exactly exactly what you had was literally thousands of people and this is for their livelihood. Their wives their children their families. So what do you think's going to happen. And it did on June sixteenth. Lester notified the railroad railroad that he had sixteen cars of coal. Ready for shipment. The first railroad crew refused to touch it but a second crew eventually agreed to transport it. Many people continued to warn Lester to stop. He wouldn't he'd already hired heavily armed private detectives from Chicago Agency called the Hargreave secret service on June twentieth. A telegram from the President of the United Mine Workers of America was published in local newspapers. It said that union members would be quote justified in treating this crowd as an outlaw organization on the morning of June twenty-first in broad daylight on a state eight highway the united mine workers ambushed a truck and a car. The truck had nonunion workers at the car had detectives in it and I mean I mean just shot both vehicles all and then went to the local Neighbors right there along the state highway handed over their rifles and shotguns. Gunson said hold these. I'll be back for them. All over town people gathered weapons even breaking into hardware stores. Take guns and ammunition right. There was a hardware store down. The street was a hardware store and they went and got all their shotguns arrival duck and the man. The Union men told the store owners when they were taking lever action winchester rifles and pump mm shotguns in hand guns and ammunition belt to the Union. The unions good for it when one store owner called the local union leader to make sure the Union Union would pay for the guns. The union leader said yes. His members were just going bird hunting. He said at three thirty that afternoon after noon. Leicester's mind superintendent. A man named Claude McDowell called the sheriff's Office to say that Leicester's mine was completely surrounded and that five hundred shots had been exchanged Williamson County. Sheriff Melvin Thaksin was a former a union miner himself most accounts of what happened on June twenty. First and twenty second make a note the Cherif Paxton extend was hard to find through all of this. He's quoted as saying I have the situation well in hand and there's no danger no one lifts a finger not one person. Nobody calls the National Guard. no-one these you guys are on their own on both sides. So there's bullets fly an bullets flying. It's a war zone for the better part of eighteen hours and this gunfight went awed and till daylight Scott duty says that in the middle of the night that night most of the security guards lester brought from Chicago to protect protect. The nonunion workers snuck out of the mine and left. Leicester was also nowhere to be seen. He checked himself into a hotel in Chicago. Three hundred miles away from his Oto. He'd agreed to stop mining if the Union would allow his men to return home unharmed. Well a group of about one hundred union miners approach the front of the mine where the white flag they discussed. Terms terms of surrender dislike a war zone. 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Miners gathered to escort the strikebreakers away from the mine and one man reportedly yelled the only way to free the country of strikebreakers to kill them all off and stop the breed. Someone one called the local leader of the United Mine Workers of America. A man named Hugh Willis and he says I'll be right there. That's when things went bad Hugh Willis shows up and he's automobile blocks the highway and tells the men take these men out into the woods. Woods shoot all you can. Don't shoot them in front of these women and children because now the whole highway is lined with people on both sides of the road. They they literally lined him up against a barbed wire fence about one hundred yards off the road and it literally dependent on if you were in first in line or last in line once they got to the offense and they started hearing the shooting. The people that were in the front of the line jumped the fence and started running through the woods and the town inherent a man in the crowd reportedly yelled. Here's where you run the gauntlet. Let's see how fast you can run between here and Chicago. So they're lost the run further lives. Can you imagine Ah. I can't even imagine what was going through their minds. I keep thinking. Where's the police were the soldiers? What in the hell is going on? How did this happen one one of the locals thought and heard a rumor and shouted it out? The National Guard is on the way their words were. The guard is on. Its way which was not true. Well that caused the locals to disperse a little bit afraid of the National Guard. So the wounded laid there. Some men escape escape through the fences hidden barnes. They were caught. They wound up with six men in front of the Herron Grade School right downtown hair the march which the men through town near restaurants and candy stores and people's home. They told the men to crawl the tied them together. These shot one man in the foot and he brought the rest of the men down when they got to the cemetery. They shot them all. Some men didn't die right away and they slit their throats. A huge crowd of men women and children came to the cemetery to watch. Here's one of them from the nineteen seventy eight recording. I didn't like it allows out there. Cemetery and people get killed is like killing dogs. That's right they're coaches shit. Four five six feet from they wouldn't leave. They killed him. I remember it well. They want to. Maybe there's determined to kill him. which finally did of course there was an AP wire service reporter order down from Saint Louis who witnessed it all and he said I'll never forget a beautiful young blonde haired woman holding a baby baby in her arms with flowered dress stepping on the men's wounds to see if they would grown to see if they were dead or not he said that has stuck with me and you know this is almost thirty years prior? He said I think about it every day. He tried to give water talk to a couple of the men that were still alive and he was told they'll get no water and you'll get the same if you don't back off. I guess the way to put it. It'd be like shooting somebody in the head today in front of CNN or Fox or whoever. They're sitting there with her camera. Just did it. How did the whole thing and I I think? Many people were appalled by what they saw and as the day turned into that afternoon I think folks started realizing what had happened now. Having having said that they gathered all their bodies up and displayed them in a downtown building for a day some people reportedly spit on on the corpses. One woman was later quoted as saying to her children. Look at the dirty bombs who tried to take the bread out of your mouths. It's finally a police officer. Couldn't stand it anymore. They were sticking cigarettes and Cigar Butts. And these deadman's mouths. Finally he couldn't take it anymore and they put a rope up To keep people back off the dead man. The massacre was National Channel News here in was described as an unconquered province of lawlessness and a stench in the nostrils of humanity president. Warren harding referred to what happened in Herrin as a shocking crime butchery and madness that shamed and horrified the country in the days following the massacre. Her not one person was arrested. Weeks passed MM still no arrests. It was unbelievable to everyone. There had been clemmie of witnesses. Hundreds and hundreds of people people had seen what had happened when questioned witnesses would describe what they had seen often in horrific detail but when it came just saying who had done what people said they just didn't know a piece in the saint. Louis Times asked show unionism be set above the laws of God and of man eventually the State of Illinois collected a list of names of men they would attempt to hold responsible in court. The state's attorney was a man named Dallas duty. The first murder trial began on November. The eighth nineteen twenty. Two jury selection lasted for weeks because Dulles duty could not find twelve men. He felt were impartial impartial. Over the years reports have come out. The union tried to bribe all kinds of people jurors. Bruce said they were offered bribes. Delves duty said. He was offered a bribe and a man from the next town over named Anderson Man Thompson claimed and in a recorded interview with his granddaughter. The union told him to locate potential witnesses. They couldn't trust and to temporarily relocate. Okay them we witnessed we couldn't depend on takeaway. Kevin said Lord Yeah. He describes putting them up in Saint Louis Hotel and paying them small salaries for their cooperation when he got what word that it was safe to do. So he brought the witnesses back home to hear it. The jury came back with a not guilty. Verdict in Dallas. Duty tried again. The second trial began in February nineteen twenty. Three six miners. Were accused which of murdering one of Leicester's men again. The jury came back with a not guilty verdict de las duty told reporters that he was giving up. He felt that Herron Jurors. We're GONNA come back with a not guilty verdict. No matter what evidence he present it. It is a hopeless proposition. He said I don't know who around here would would condemn. I am the coal miners. I certainly don't. That's what makes you a unionist believing it and willing to fight for it like country. It was is terrible at the time everybody was really tore up but nothing anybody and he could do. That was between a union and nonunion miners Blame the Union miners for it. Taking their jobs couldn't blame them though they were scabbed came in here to take jobs away from a union man man. That was the main thing in people's mind and they weren't going to get away with it. I felt the same way about it and Thank it with the decision they had to make and I think they made the right decision Money is the root of all evil. Well I would say that Community was shocked to think people were killed. But they were They were upset to think that a man would come in here to take another man job and Robbie's family. That's just the way they looked at it. Did you look at it that way. I look at it that way. Twenty three men were killed old during those two days in Herrin in June of nineteen twenty two three of the men were local and twenty had been brought to town by William Lester records later showed that in some cases the men Lester hired had been referred by Chicago employment agencies and may have come. I'm to Herron with no idea that they were breaking strike. Many people felt there is only one person to blame for their deaths. And the deaths of the local miners William J Lester. The men from out of town whose bodies were not claimed. We're buried anonymously in two thousand nine Scott duty when looking for those graves and you can't make this up. What had happened? Was the town in their haste and their urgency to bury the past lost track where the massacre victims were buried along with about one hundred other poor people. They started selling the lot in the nineteen eighties and burying local people. On top of poor people that had been buried in that section of the the cemetery. So here's what happened. The herrin massacre victims had local hair nights buried in amongst them and on top of them because they they had forgotten their history. That is the ability of the locals to keep what had happened. Buried Art Criminals created by Lawrence Spore. And me me. Media will soon as our senior producer. Susannah Roberson is our assistant producer audio mix by raw buyers special things the Special Collections Research Center at Southern Illinois University carbondale and Mac Rozanski for help locating the audio recorded by the college students agents in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight thanks to John. GRISWOLD and Richard Koetter. Julian Alexander makes original illustrations for each episode of criminal. You can see them at. This is criminal. Dot Com where on facebook and twitter at criminal show criminal is recorded in the studios of North Carolina Public Public Radio W.. UNC were proud member of Radio topiary from PX. 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