17 Burst results for "Joe Swartberg"
"joe swartberg" Discussed on Louder With Crowder
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Because you know as a comedian the more you can shorten something the more you can kill it the better it is when something is overly complicated or trying to connect a bunch of dots for the same reason darren aronovski is a horrible film and i knew it long before the no rock men made their appearance the shorter and the more the more sinked you can make it the more effective you can make it and then the more impactful in the more storylines you can you can sometimes include or you can maybe explore the character. It's a little bit more this we'll go. That's reductive sometimes. That's a very good thing if you're able to take complex right. Complex notion able to take complex concepts and distilled them in a way that someone who's smart but isn't necessarily a specialist in that area can understand that's great. It's the same thing with the film if you are writing something what you're saying something about potato and a battery and a drink and a guy up where i don't know where it's going. Just shoot the broad and then go onto something interesting. Yeah yeah movie over. Just put the batteries over her eyes as part of boming ceremony because no. We don't need any other candies running around. It's why so many movies with almost no budget and minimalistic kind of attitude or so good sometimes so say always but sometimes it's deliberate and then sometimes those movies are made by joe swartberg all right. Well that's let's go to the next close this next scene. Our hero seeks out the guidance of the grand since say the fly. That's his name. 'cause i prefer my sense as to come from south africa. Of course just jeff. Goldblum well The left high kick there. It is a fly went into the other machine near. I'm going to throw up on you to not just say to see the fly pond all twenty meaning. 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The hero is because he must be careful mirror mirror on while. Please tell me who who is. The fairest fly ball is it. Don't answer that. Yeah not until we have a chardonnay and get acquainted. Yes i'm gonna go shirtless rock in a kids movie. What do you think is there. They've land i want it to be a. I might strike out on this. But i just wanted to be. Well there there it is. My issue is because of where it's filmed. They may not want that there but apart yeah bring us back up. What people saying. They're in the chat. Let me say you know what i'm going to say. I'm going to say see just because it makes no sense not saying that the whole country of south africa makes no sense. What i'm saying is the cultural differences. So it doesn't make sense to me there. You go could be right. And i could be wrong. I'd argue electrical outlets but still we don't know you don't lightfoot candles. Oh wait in johannesburg a foot candle in the wind. 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"joe swartberg" Discussed on The Big Picture
"By and large I, mean each one had to great things in the way that some people can make a great comedy sketch with their computer. But like it wasn't like Oh there should be a show that just this this is great. It was more like wow I can't believe they're pulling this off and that was kind of the response when people twelve years ago looked at. Seventy minute long movies with three thousand dollar budgets was like I can't believe they're pulling this off I. Sat in Film Festival Theatre and washed eight a movie. There was made for two thousand dollars. I can't believe they did that but. As me and all my friends know the long-term by ability of that zero immediately you WanNa stop doing that as soon as you don't have to. Very few people perhaps the only one, Joe Swartberg the the only exception would say I always want to be able to make a two thousand dollar movie with my friends in a weekend. he still viewed that as a thrill and that's actually kind of what's interesting about him doing it but like. These are not things people want to continue doing their things you do because you want to build. Skills and it just seems very. I cannot overstate how apocalyptic it seems to imagine from my own experience trying to create any of the things I have learned how to make. Everything I've done personally as a director would not be possible this year or next year, and the my approach to casting and the kind of actors who engage with small independent projects for not a lot of money. Seemingly has really dried up because of the unpredictability of it. And the travel difficulties and just all of it I mean, it's just it's so logistically difficult and the only thing I really WanNa, see the new. Season or like. something. That's like. You know reactive in real time, but still dramatically consistent and entertain. Are you a big as for you guy huge. Really almost an episode a day I mean just for you know. It's it's it's like the smoothest tonic at the end of the day after still after years. Wow. I guess I'm not surprised by that. You know that it does make me think that that's one of the things that I always like about talking to you about reading when you write about film. I think I i. See as a little simpatico in that. You are obviously very interested in. Art House Cinema, and foreign films and films an extremity which I love to. But also you have a you're interested in mainstream movies. You go see mainstream movies and you have opinions about the new like lot of them and You saw tenant I saw in a movie theater on Instagram yes to good pivot from Svu. Thank somehow into tenant Yeah I did see. Tanna I will say you're talking about the appreciation of mainstream things or your brief pause about how much I love Svu..
"joe swartberg" Discussed on GSMC Movie Podcast
"And I like I said in the beginning I literally just saw this last night. So I don't of any notes kind of like off the cuff initial thoughts still trying to structure it in the same way that I do my normal. Reviews everything like that. But what is cool about this is because of the fact that it's multiple different stories, there's some other. There are some things that I can talk about. That are different from other movies. So I can talk about each little movie kind of in and of itself which ones I liked which ones I didn't like. and. So I can kind of start with that basically the movie starts. So this is not a spoiler because each movies a little bit difference, I won't be spoiling each outcome, but I will talk about what the stories consist of. So the first one basically follows a bunch of rowdy really socially deviant. Twani something maybe late teenage men. As they are sent by some unknown person or group to find a specific VHS tape in a seemingly abandoned or. Vacant House, and so that's kind of the first one that sort of the setup and so then multiple characters within that segment put on VHS is while the other people are looking around for the one vhs to see what else the house has in store, and so that's where there's other stories come into play. So the first story. I gotta remember what they're called. The first one thing a segment sixty, four segments something sixty three. And then the first one. Is called amateur night which families the most popular one I thought it was pretty good. This was a strong start because I had no idea where it was going it had a really great creature a pretty great creature design. So this one is a bit more because Oh also I was not really aware that's the this movie was. GonNa take I thought it was gonna be much more paranormal and there is a little bit of that but and realistically there's not even a through line as to what the creatures are pretty different pretty diverse and there is goes for sure So having it start with a creature that's this. Visceral and creepy was a really great start to the movie for something that I had no idea where I was going. So I enjoyed this one quite a bit. I have to say the next one though is the one that a second honeymoon. That's the that I enjoyed the most because I think that one is it's a pretty slow one as a pretty slow start but I do think it has a really great payoff. It's pretty creative and I just has the strongest like story out of all of them. It's just pretty simple and you know me I'm kind of a sucker for simple storytelling. So I really liked that one. Third. One is where it starts to dip for me and that one is. Tuesday the seventeenth I didn't hate the story I also thought the creature was even more creative. I was curious and I actually have wanted it to go more in depth into what the lower behind that was but I thought the acting was Kinda weak is fed felt very amateur to me, which is strange. It's pretty famous director. In fact, it's director that we've talked about on this podcast before his Joe Swartberg so he did digging for fire. So those kind of interesting and then the third fourth segment is that I it is not really considered a segment also with segment fifty six just by the way I remember it. So not including that there's five segments and then there's that one that Kinda ties everything together so The fourth segment is the sick thing that happened to emily when she was kid again I like the premise I thought the acting was a little bit bit weak also, and I was a bit confused as to what was going on and where it was going. And then finally there's ten, thirty, one, Ninety, eight, Ninety, eight, which I was surprised even happened I thought it was five stories including that I like men and there's this one which I kind of lost interest in the movie. At this point I will say I did like this movie I didn't love it but by this point, there's so many different stories that just felt like they were. A little bit too long, and so it was a bit too slow. So I was a little bit uninterested but then I kinda gripped me and I actually liked this one a lot too and it's done by the radio silence team, which is a group of directors who did ready or not, and it's a horribly that I really like and so they're doing a lot of great stuff. So I thought that was Kinda Fun, there are so many different directors so many different diverse stories and a lot of them were very creative. It's just some of the quality of them were quite as good. So with that being said, let's go into some of that acting so I think it's hard to say across the board I will say that the first two segments or the first real story. So segment fifty six. I was pretty interested because the acting felt very strong. It felt like a group of guys who were terrible. We're not supposed to like them and and. You really get the sense of that. It's not like. It doesn't feel like they're acting feels like they're really. These terrible people and it also felt like they had a group commodity and some Gregory. Chemistry that kind of grips you into a movie. That is pretty. Unforgiving in its intro because of the fact that it's done in this sort of really shaky cam found footage chaotic filmmaking. The fact that kind of brings you in with this group Dynamic I thought was really great I really liked the acting their second segment same thing I really thought that they had some pretty solid acting in this, and all of the the three main guys also feel like really terrible dudes and I really bought it and then I, also think the main woman of this one she is really kind of creepy and she's very eerie she really got to to me. When she first came on screen. So I thought the acting really strong in that one, and then my favorite one the third one where it's the second honeymoon that one is also I think that's the strongest acting too because there's not a lot. There's only two actors realistically and they seem to have they're not supposed to have chemistry. So I think that works and they also think that they feel like this feels like a real relationship like it feels like they have known each other and they might be tired of each other or something like that. So that one was really strong. The week is acting for me I think is that fourth segment? Tuesday the seventeenth which is done by Joe Swan Berg, which is strange because so I spent a couple friends because that's always a fun way to watch horror movies and we were we were all kind of saying how this feels very scripted like I felt like they were just saying things off a page which knowing Joe Swan Berg is most likely not how they did it. It's actually probably the opposite is probably they didn't have a script at all which in a sense I guess. kind of make sense of it feels kind of wooden and they know they have to say certain things get to certain places and sometimes that only works when characters have chemistry with each other and it just doesn't feel like any of these people have chemistry with one another. So I really think the very strong in this especially when characters are getting killed or getting attacked or whatnot, and as even worse when it's just them talking. So it was not a big fan of the acting there. The fifth segment acting again also, very good. It's a bit more difficult because they're not actually in the same room together. It's over like a facetime that's hard to do in. This is one of those first movies that kind of started to do that, and so I thought in that sense, it was fine and then there's a moment where a character is saying something and it's very exposition on a feels very exposition also. Wasn't a huge fan of the acting there, and then finally the last segment ten, thirty, one, ninety eight is also really good with the acting the group dynamic works really well, they all seem to really know each other and all the reactions seem very organic. Frightened if feels like this is how real people would react in the scenario. So let me get into the screenplay I. I like how this was set up I actually liked the initial setup. It's very, it's by no means the most compelling and I don't think it has to be. It's really a vehicle for these other stories, and so I like the idea of doing an anthology horror movie because it really kind of keeps you on your toes the problem with it in this one is that they just feel A. Bit Too long, it feels like the beginning of each story Kinda gets dragged out to the point where it needs to meet the specific run time. It's like, okay we gotta make sure each one is about twenty minutes and I just don't think the story is suited twenty minutes and so by that point I would get kind of bored of things. So when something exciting or intense did happen I just wasn't as gripped except for the first. Two segments mainly the yeah. The first two segments I would say has a really great does really job of building suspense. There's a lot of really solid tension there and I felt like I was on edge. But because of the fact that those to establish the idea that it's going to be a bit slower, it kind of made me lose interest for the next one. So I wish it had been a bit quicker and maybe even had more stories involved with it. Then production design, the house is pretty creepy. That's that main house there in I also think it's smart to be doing this in a found footage style because you can kind of hide things in plain sight or strategically show things when you need to and I think that's always a really great way to go about production design for a horror movie I also love the creature design like the creature design in the first one, which is seemingly okay I. Guess this is the minor spoiler, but I don't think it's Really that big a deal. It is a creature and you kind of know that and I'm not going to detail what happens but I was know what the creature was and I was like I think it might be a siren and then it's Kinda vague as to what it is. You don't really know, but they actually made a feature film version of this segment called sirens. So I was right I knew it. It's a siren which was a great monster. I don't see that done very often in horror movies. Maybe, once in a cabin in the woods or something. So. Now, I'm going to try and speed through some of the other things about the movie. Cinematography is very chaotic. It's really hard to get into it takes a minute. It's very nauseating and especially because the first. Fifteen twenty minutes is not a lot goes down. There's really no build up to a story it. Kinda just happens and so there's a lot of it's also like that first scene is really hard to watch and I was not aware that that was kind of where the movie was going. I didn't realize that it was going to be a fairly sexual horror movie, which is ultimately what ended up happening, which I'm fine with I just didn't know it was going down. So I was is a bit difficult to watch. It's not made by the cinematography so it's really Entry Point but once you get into it, I like some of the devices that are being used I like the idea of having the Webcam being shown sometimes, the quality is really low. Sometimes, the quality is really high and I'm generally a fan of found footage and a lot of people are not but I think it's a really great storytelling device to get an audience member invested into a story because you're literally a part of the story. Especially for a movie like this, where you have to people invested pretty quickly so I think it works really well here and I was actually a pretty big fan is hard to get into right off the bat. Then, the editing again, I would have liked some of those stories to be a bit. Faster paced I do think it balances between them pretty pretty well, everything is a similar length except for to the seventeenth, which is very short to me. I don't know the actual run time and maybe I'm wrong. Maybe that is the editing, but it did feel pretty short and so felt a little bit out of place but even bouncing between the stories and in the middle when they go back to the main story, I thought the amount of time you spend with the mainstream feels reasonable. Feels like this is. The amount of time that I would want to spend. I don't need to spend any more time. Okay. Now we're onto the next story so that pacing I think works pretty well, and then with found footage, it's pretty simple to cut on action and so there's a lot of solid cuts to get things moving around and I always like when you're filming something and then cut immediately to something else because it feels like you just skipped a tape which I always liked that style and it works really well here. The score sound is not much of a score in this movie is nothing I can really pin out and I also think that the sound design there's like some solid creature design it kind of varies for each movie but I do like all of the TRONC sounds it makes it feel like it is a vhs or a Webcam or something like that, and so the sound design, there's really solid but other than that nothing to write home about nothing. Major. And then we get to the directing. So this movie I mentioned has some pretty big director. So Joe Swan Berg the radio silence team West and add a wing guard and etta winger is a pretty big director who did your next right before this movie and so although the quality varies, you can tell that all of these directors are very skilled in horror. They know how to get an audience invested into things. They have a pretty solid idea of ideas like they know how to get a good premise across in a really great horror movie premise i. think you can also tell they're working on a pretty limited budget, and if you're a fan of some of their later work, this is going to feel like a regression because it is it's much earlier than some of these filmmakers got big much later on. And then finally I think the movie does a really great job with messaging I felt like even though there's not really a way to link everything together narrative -ly necessarily other than the vhs idea all of them kind of have a a message around them. It felt very much like punishing people for certain things, which is a common horror movie trope but this felt really specific to sexually perverted men things like that and that kind of persisted I. Three breaks the mold a little bit when we get into that latter half. But even still I think you can feel that there's something there and there's also other vices that characters are a part of and so. I do think that there's a really great through line for Messaging with horror movie as far as horror movies go. So I liked VHS I didn't love it. I didn't want I wanted to like it a bit more than I did I, think there's potential here for this type of storytelling as you can tell by all of the anthropology TV shows that get made nowadays and I also have Think I've seen a VHS to gets better reviews. So maybe I'll do that one but I'm going to give vhs a soft seven out of ten but check it out. If you'd would like it's available to rent on Amazon or Itunes or slaying wherever you get movies. So next up I'M GONNA be talking about the Blair witch project and finally stay tuned until the very end Roy talk about the marketing strategies behind the Blair witch project. But right now we're going to take another quick break. 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"joe swartberg" Discussed on Maltin On Movies
"Love that. He totally would like to not be that. He'd like to be the guys. Yeah. No, it's. It's cool. No. Did we get a few jumps out of them watching? Several. Solid jumps. Good. Good chatting. Tackling. And I, love. I Love I love the kind of thing where you're watching a movie and you're going Oh. No, Ono. And now me that will hold. Will. What I will say about about the rental is even though there are those elements like. This this this doesn't feel like a standard. Thriller or horror movie where it's it's It's more inspired by filmmakers like Oreo, Astor Shan Jordan, peele Jeremy Saulnier, Sean Durkin Amy. Siamese where they those are genre filmmakers who who approach their film in a more. Tasteful elevated way where their films are more nuance than atmospheric as opposed to some genre films that at rely too heavily on jump scares and So I paired up with with Joe Swartberg to write the script and the reason I wanted to work with him is because his main strengths lie in character relationships and signing percent. Yes. So our goal from the beginning was, let's let's write a a tense relationship drama where the interpersonal. Interpersonal issues between the couples are just as thrilling as the fact that there's a psycho killer lurking in the shadows in. So we actually just used the horror elements to kind of sprinkle on top of everything and just help accentuate all the the stuff that the couples are going through. Well, it's totally as you say, and when I read that it was Joe Swan Virga made me smile. He someone we know from years of Sundance. He's like the me of Sundance Kid. Definitely, you know with those sorts of a little mumble core, a little. You know that natural. and. He's lovely and for sure this. This was that this was that kind of a, it's not just bloody gutty. You know it's not about the ideas, your to me. Those films are meant to scare you when they're over. So that later on you're walking around going. Right? Right. And with this film with our film lake. The you know I I love horror movies and The scariest thing to me though is watching a movie in thinking. Oh. That could actually happen. Yes. To talk about that a little bit first of all, you cast your wife Yes which is never a bad idea. No, no is allison. Brie. Did. You marry her so you could cast her I think I did subconsciously you. Know..
"joe swartberg" Discussed on Double Toasted
"She was so quiet lake. Donkey. Habitat Avenue. Goddamn nurse! Better. Romasko yeah, man. so. It's best that tell you anything at all about this spots. See. But the because. I mean I'll tell you this much. 'cause I wanNA tell you too much about the story. To tell you that. If you are going in this expection, expecting like an an action packed Gore build horror movie don't because that is not what this is. This is one of those and I've I've heard it described like this guy one those almost. What they know, know they. Crazy name, but mumble core. Apparently sub-genre mumble core where there's a lot of a lot of talking a lot of. Character development more on the human side. There's almost supernatural horror or any other kind side You know usually limited on space characters. Mostly, these characters are interacting with each other more than an act with any of the. Other elements involved so, and it's co written by Joe Swartberg makes a lot of mumble courtney. Like mark. Yup that's IT Mark Duke. Mark ups. Not Yeah you've. Heard mumble court dramas and they've had hard before to A lot of, times Mumbo. Some do fuck up with somebody right right this. This is a hard movie. have no doubt it is, but before you get into it. They, do sit on the characters more and the reason. Why is because in order to create tension? They don't do it with. They don't do that with a any kind of jump scares. Jump Scares, are they? Don't do it with any typical. Har- elements that you have out there. You don't even know what's happening with the the quote. Unquote killer in this. Because most of the tension is coming from secrets that these people have relationships are a little bit strained before they get there I mean just fucking arguing. Yeah I mean it sets up right away with these characters like you get to know how tight they are, and you get a hint of wide. The relationships are if not so much strained potentially going to be. And you can already see some shit on the horizon that they don't see. How I don't know because she is out there. Yes. Everybody trying to be like well I'm sure it's going to be cool I'm sure it'll be fine, and if he thinks might be fine, you might be able to ride things out, but not if you go on vacation and you cooped up in a ride to a spot and you stand there the whole weekend. GonNa blow up. Yeah, that's. The thing about this like. Wow, you know what? Say. There's no element. No killer comes around. This is not going to end. Well, didn't big. Horn, he is from a bad idea to make these people on the fuck. They never should have done this. They never should have done you have. Dan Stevens who as an actor. I really love this guy because he takes projects big and small, Oh, yeah, he just. This guy just wants to act, and he really does do a great job like even though this guy's British anymore, all I know well, the thing is I see like in this movie he's. He's bulking up again. Because the first time I saw a movie called the visitor where he played this this war vet yeah came to this family and he was Bob. Let's do could play. Captain America if you wanted. Yeah, he marvel must be call him. He got skinny for all the other stuff he was doing. He's legion. He's not. He's not a big guy. He has to work at it because everything I see him in. He's skinny. Salmon that show talked about high main salmon that yeah that. The recent movie from of it was on Netflix. We talked about it He played a Russian singer. Your Vision Yeah, yes, yeah, with what's his name? Will Ferrell Yeah, but watch him here. Yeah, it's like yeah. Maybe he's agency like hey and get your superhero property. I won't take a bit and say. I wonder a wonder up the talking to this guy because we joked about one actually talking to being doctor doing. Some point he's bulking up for some of Marvel's talking to him about something okay. Yeah, he told me so. He won't tell me what it is. But I need to the Gasman. Everybody says it's so cool. It is yeah, the visit of the guests is it the guest thanks to get Yeah, yeah, I think that's right. Yeah the guests, but no I saw to south by South West and it was one of my favorite movies saw there he's he's really good man, but everybody here is good. Allison replaces wife. You saw the trailer Shell. Van Places Work and partner and Jerry Allen, Wa. Jerry. Allen Wire me AL, Jeremy Allen White, what is he been in before? You guys on shameless shameless, okay I not seen this show, but yeah, that's his brother. Who has a dark past of his own with one of reason going out there? Even at. The. This toby hus- I like that guy I like everything I. See him he. Is Creepy and NASTIEST. He was like I still like this actor, so he's always playing goofy, too. Yeah, yeah. Connie wasn't named Toby Hus-. Play his guy's name is Taylor I got. These people suspicious of him, and they probably have a reason to be. And he's an asshole. 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"joe swartberg" Discussed on Happy Sad Confused
"Being John Malkovich with the one and only Dave Franken. Dave, you know I'm not one for formal introductions, but it's It's good to see a familiar face hero, familiar voice, welcome back to the PODCAST, and it's weird current form. Thank you for having me man seriously always fun to talk to you same and I'm glad it's. An exciting occasion for you. Congrats on your feature directing debut. That's GonNa feel good to hear that. I know what a long road these kind of products can be. Alone the first undertaking. Talk to me a little bit about this movie the rental which. Always telling me like where somebody starts a directing career like what kind of a film they choose or they find. What does this say about you the restoring it? I, think I think a lot of people know me best from the comedies that have acted in, and so people are definitely surprised that my direct royal debut as a horror film, but for me as as viewer, there's nothing I. Love more than a than smart genre film. You know I I. Love The work of. Oreo Astor, in Jordan, peele Amy Assignments Jeremy Saulnier. All these people who are have approaching the genre in a really tasteful elevated way where their films are more kind of Nuance Napa feerick as opposed to a lot of horror films that are that lean too heavily on jump scares sure well. That's the thing about horror. This genre I think it's why it's attracted so many skilled filmmakers is it. Lets you kind of? Use the medium used sound design use visuals. And use all visual offers, but also lets you kind of Berry Berry Times. Put some really interesting. Some thematic material in there I mean this is a film that's high-concept and kind of really simple at its heart. About folks that go to an AIRBNB, and being watched, and all hell breaks loose, and like the best kind of horror thrillers. It's yes, it's about the horror on the outside and what's out there, but it's as much about these internal dynamic in how they're. Really the are wise. Yeah! I mean one of the goals from the beginning was to. Create a tense relationship drama where the interpersonal issues between the characters were just as willing as the fact that there's a psycho killer lurking in the shadows, and that's part of the reason why I paired up with Joe Swartberg to write it because. His main strengths lie in character and relationships, and so we were like let's do. Genre movie where you actually care about these people where you're invested in them, so by the time the. Shit inevitably inevitably starts going crazy. You care whether or not delivered. Right, they're not just like these faceless. That, who is this person again? Yeah, you actually are investing in relationships as you say so. I've been talking to forever since your career started and. Like early on it was, it was the funnier died shorts. You guys were kind of together and really creating I sing you kind of CO directing those in a way earliest writing them. Yes, so was this kind of always the part of the grand plan as much as acting to be a participant in the whole process. Yeah, I mean I was doing those funnier videos over a decade ago, but like you said me and my friend we. We did everything for them. We wrote them acted in them. Directed edited, and it was. It was a little bit of a film school. For for me and I've been wanting to take the leap to directing a feature for a long time, but sh- candidly I, I've been a bit nervous and But, then when we when we wrote the script. Actually wasn't originally intending on directing it but I realized that I knew these characters in the story more intimately than anyone in all of a sudden like all those fears about taking this next step, they went away and I was just excited because I just had such a strong idea of what I wanted to do, and so it finally felt the right time right private. How were you on? The fears dissipate on day one, or was it like just? Were you a nervous wreck that I I? Know, It's interesting mass. Once we actually got on, said I realized I knew a lot more than I thought I did. Because I've been on so many, says throughout my career, and you know a lot of first time director directors when they step on a set. This is the first time any say I've had that conversation so many times. It's always so funny. It's like yeah, the first ever on on was the one I direct. What exactly and so, you're just trying to kind of learn. The dynamics between all the crew member is like the basics of how things work in so action felt really comfortable. Once we were up and running and It was just nice to have a say in everything where as an actor for the last handful of years? I I can't help myself I'm like I'm I'm really curious about every step of the process, and so you know I'm always talking to the DP and the writers and the director about what they're doing and why they're doing it and I try not to be annoying I try not to overstep my bounds, but it was nice to have a final half. The final say in everything in ultimately that is A. A little bit scary, but we're you know. Everything is riding on my shoulders, and if the movie works, that's on me if it doesn't work on me, but I wouldn't have it any other way which which of the many film sets that you've been on? Do you think you you took away? The the most from was filmmaker or film making experience that felt like the I'm really sponging like a ton of. I think about. Every time I've been on set with a seth, Rogan his crew because. They. They have such big big days. Set such a comfortable kind of vibe on set where they really encourage every single person on set to voice their ideas. If they think it can help the film in any way. And, so ultimately the the main rule is Whoever has the best idea? Best idea wins in and I definitely took that with me on this film and I guess the smartest thing I did. Is I really spent a longtime betting the crew because obviously I wanted people who were really talented, but just as important was that I was surrounded by really nice people who were going to work their asses off because of the first time director I just needed people whose number one priority was this? This film as opposed to you know wanting to go home early to catch the basketball game or whatever, and in the end it was a really long process putting putting together the crew, but I was surrounded by all these just bury talented friendly people who made my job a lot easier than it could have been. I will say honesty. It's a really accomplished piece of work. I mean often like a first time filmmaker. You can feel like it's like. They had to find it in the editor something or feels like they were really struggling. There's there's there's a a confidence in what you like what you were trying to do and seems like you. You certainly accomplished it, and certainly the crew assembled in the actors. You assembled you obviously have. Allison in there. You have Stephen Toy always loved the choices. He's making his career. He's all over the place in the best way. I saw him near the Will Ferrell comedy. Deals right chewing scenery, but in great way on so as you know in addition to talking.
"joe swartberg" Discussed on Iconography with Ayo Edebiri and Olivia Craighead
"Say. Yes. Yeah I don't know just like. I think he does good. Things or maybe interesting things yeah I guess it is causing me to reflect on just like mumble core as a whole. Right it's like what. What did that, do they? Yeah. What did we get from it? I mean it just felt. Different. In a way I mean it just felt like to me feels like to me. Like this extension of A different extension of privilege like not only. Is it a privilege to be able to have stories about everything? Like about being space or Or. Your, Yet so so, that was like not only. Can you have these stories about like all these big things, but you can have about nothing. As well. Yeah I mean. I don't know I feel like also like that's. The thing is like mumble core films I've personally so few of them. Do I actually feel like. I've enjoyed or like to me. Yeah, but the films. that. Inspired, mumble core may be. Like girlfriends. Or Sex lies and videotape or clerks or slacker like. Those I really enjoy right. That sounds to me where it's like. It's like to be like inspired by the same things. I'm sure there are pupil who were like you know probably the same age as you're like Schwammberger near do pauses, or whatever who just like weren't white men who were also inspired by clerks, also inspired by slacker, just like didn't know people who had like one hundred thousand dollars to right. I mean like I love Andrew. Just Sumo, who's like a Nigerian photographer and director and he did this film mother of George that. Is just. Yeah to me also feels like. Kind of Like an interesting like offshoot of mumble like of. Mumble core, but is like just set in like very very firmly rooted in like the Nigerian immigrant story, and that's the other thing. Is that like I'm sure someone listening will be like. They're actually missing like these movies, but it's like. That sure that's great, but also those kinds of movies aren't classified under mumble court like mumble for like implicitly. Yes, White Viking. Just kind of like how it is, and if it's like, if like a black prison made it the again, they'd be like. Oh, it's A. it's a black Noah Baumbach. It wouldn't be like. Noah Baumbach. What people don't really compare him to anyone ray? He's not like. It like if anyone, it's wit silman, but that was like five years before he was working. That's not as A movement instead of being like this is a one to one comparison and the only difference race. Yeah! Damn. That's real. That's real it is. Yeah, I mean I. Don't know it's like I feel like. Even like Wyatt's. Like buried Jenkins and all these who like you're not totally aging, but like yeah like this. There's a generation of like black. Tours. Like medicine for melancholy. Just like you know is definitely like that's like close close. It is just like people like walking around right, but there probably is some sort of sort of sort of like. If you looked it up some article, you know that Slake Barry Jenkins the black. Book or whatever taking a stab at this it's like. That's why I think we've done. We find ourselves like forced to like. Make these own. Like are like yeah, we just have to keep making work for ourselves Kogo. Nobody's got like I don't know as I. It's like you have to make if you want to like. I don't know it feels like why people either have to make lake. Edano like. Just, you know you're like. like the best man or whatever or you have to make like completely singular works like you have to know like kind of middle ground writings, and and then we also. Be like that's like the sign that we did it, yes. And like or like only recently are like. Do we have like Black Panther or creed, or these birds super high budget high grossing. Like And I'm sure like to some extent, also just thinking about the making space I'm sure like you know Andrew but. Like you know Joe Swartberg, and all these guys were like. We have to make space for ourselves because if you are. Like us you can like. They want us to make these big showy movie. Sweeping drop dramas and we don't want to. We WanNA do these intimate. Scenes or whatever and then it just comes down to capitol like. Comes down to being able to have someone who will be like. Here's a couple hundred thousand dollars like your movie. I mean yeah, it's like an even. Like. Black Independent. Filmmakers. It is like that. Somehow that's its own. That's it's own. Jonah or something like is, but it's not. But it is. It's like these little blips like there's not a feels like the idea like movement hasn't really right. It's up. Capital, yeah, exactly it's like with like with the whole white indie scene there like tears in their like classes of it and like there are people who like who are like. We all came together Bob La like the whole pocket of women who do it who are always like? Pet respite does Luna's grew like that does make sense like Kelly? Reichardt has to like wait ten years between every movie or whatever like? but it's still like that kind of. Group I feel like doesn't exist as much and we're. We're only talking about black. People wear the like whereas next mumble Korea's like Asian monk. For Yeah..
"joe swartberg" Discussed on The New Yorker Radio Hour
"Yorker film critic Richard Brody for decades. He rarely leads me wrong and I can't remember the last time that Richard was as excited about a filmmaker as he is about the Director Josephine Decker. In two thousand fourteen, he wrote a piece about decker with the headline. A star is born. And her film Madeleine's. Madeline was Richard's pick with you heard of it or not for the best movie of two thousand eighteen. Josephine deckers new film is called Shirley and it starts Elisabeth Moss as the writer Shirley Jackson. I have a title hangs a man. It's about that girl. The missing one. Girl. What do you think? Well you haven't said much. It's just an idea. I Try Sapir in college. Girl sounds trite in a bit trashy but to. Give it a go. I'll read of course for you. Wait too far. Going to take time, we'll give it to me and a couple of days. It's enough. Oh No. Dear, that's. You're not. You're just not up to it. Wrong. That was Elisabeth Moss Shirley. Jackson and Richard Brody joins me now. Richard. What is it about Josephine deckers work that you love so much. Wealth Very Simply Josephine Decker is one of the very few filmmakers who seem to be reinventing the very stuff of movies image, sound performance with each film, and she's coming out of a fusion of traditions, which is one of the things that makes her work, so interesting I knew her as an actress. She had appeared in some films by Joe Swartberg that I was familiar with so her direct filmmaking experience comes from what I would call number core film in other words films that were made on a very low budget. The script improvised, but Her way of making images is a say. Mr It has something to do with the films of. John Cassowaries something to do with that long God. Filmmaking and That fusion of traditions along with her own personal inspirations makes for really original form of work in what surely about the new film? Surely as A sort of bio-pic about Shirley Jackson the author of the lottery, published in the New Yorker of course in nineteen, forty, eight, the we dig very deep into Shirley Jackson's creative process, and it does so experience with a hectic image, repertory, fantasy, sequences, nightmare, sound design, and above all the performance by Elizabeth Moss that is itself spontaneous and ferocious. So I hadn't heard of decker until you told me about her until you wrote a better. How did you first get to know her work? Well, actually I was just talking with her about that the other day. I remember vividly when we met. We met at the Maryland Film Festival rate in those days the. Sort of the gathering area where the coffee and snacks were was a parking lot, but I did recognize you I've seen you in in in Joe's films. I asked You I'm. Are you in a film festival this year? and Said No, but I have a film directed a film that's in the in the festival. It was a short film and I I asked You. If you would send me not a link of course I didn't exist, but send me a copy and you did. Send me a DVD. I pumped it into my dvd player, and from the very first images. My eyes got extremely wide. This film is called me the terrible. which is a wonderful comedic and yet really kind of poignant. Fantasy about a child's adventure life it is, and it was. My Gosh. It's funny because. I really remember your response to that and was really floored by ungrateful that you connected to it so much and I said to myself. You know I'm impatient for anything you do next, but. Essentially, you're you're the two main themes in your career until now and you're working till now are the relationships of women and the artistic and creative drives of women, women artists in their attempt to create in the face of private and public obstacles. That's very true and it's interesting. The I mean it was funny almost to be blindsided by how much didn't even realize the amount of crossover? There was between Madeleine's madeline and Shirley. marlins violent as a feature I made before I made Shirley and. Sarajevans are writer on Shirley saw Mandolin. It s looking at each other and being like there is a lot in common between these two movies there's. An older established artists. Kind of? Maybe the right word might be praying on. The innocence and connection she has with a younger artist, a younger younger woman right Madeleine's muddling is the story of a teenage acting prodigy who's a member of a professional theater company where she's in effect, exploited by the director. You know I I love that movie. One of the things I love about it is the sense that you don't deliver a script to the actors in merely photograph them performing it, but rather that it's the result of a real time ongoing creative process in which you yourself participating. Yes, I think I had my first one was improvised. Much fully improvised. That was filed in lovely was scripted. There's a tiny bit of Improv, but not not much and I kind of missed improvising, but when I. In. The improv movie I had missed the kind of like clearer. Turning points that a script allows you so my next door I, had set out to build through scripting, know from Improv, and and then I cast iron, credible, acting troupes, and spent the next six months working with them, improvising towards these and around these themes that I wanted to be at the heart of Madeleine's model, in which were mental illness and parent, child, relationships and and also how art. low-budget art tries to address these large things in the question of how yeah how how does this? How much impact do you have, so? I think Madeleine's madeline is one of those movies that really shouldn't exist. It's it's it's an extremely. The beginning of the film is about an actress dressed up as a sea turtle. You know it's not like a action films, so part of the reason is it exists. Is that I felt encouraged to keep going to closer and closer to the things that was really interested in and excited by. The New Yorkers Richard Brody with Director Josephine Decker. Whose movies Shirley is just down..
"joe swartberg" Discussed on Hollywood Unscripted
"Hollywood end scripted. I'm your host Scott's along with Malibu Film Society joining us today. Jeremy tonsure a filmmaker who has gone where no other filmmaker has ever gone before you actually got to shoot a feature film inside Olympic Village during the Olympics. Yes thank you for having me Thank you for joining us. You made this film with your wife. Alexi it's such an interesting genesis because I understand. Alexi is a dual citizenship. Greek American and she ran in the 2016 Rio Games. Yes or what happened from there Alexi. My wife competed in Rio and addition to be an athlete. She's a writer and filmmaker. I am not an Olympic athlete but just a writer and filmmaker and where creative duo so when she went to run real we adjust premiered an indie film that we made called track town which was a blend of fiction. Reality kind of exploring the emotional journey of trying to make it to the Olympics trying to achieve a goal. And you don't know if you're going to get it or not. So when she had this experience of competing Rio and feeling like you achieve a goal that you've worked for for so long now what that feeling combined with the insanity of being inside Olympic Village and what that looks like at that time when she was competing and just had finished we were like it would be insane to be able to bring a camera in here and making indie film in the Olympic Village. But obviously that would be impossible but then two years later. That's what we did and I understand that the head of the IOC was on an airplane young movies to watch on a long flight and one of the movies. He watched track town. That is right so as with many indie films. Every film has its own. Genesis story hours for Olympic dreams was that the president of the Olympics was on a flight distributors. Track town had done an airline deal which sidebar airline flights founder where a lot of people sit and watch indie films. I don't know why that is but whoever is in that ecosystem. I just WANNA give a shout out to because there's always really great indie films on long-haul flights and not only did the president of the Olympics. Track town on an airplane which led to this invitation to go do a project in the village which unfold for you in a second. It's also aware Paul Thomas Anderson saw track town and mentioned it in an interview and we later connected with him and he became a mentor to on Olympic Dreams and I actually got to show him a rough cut in workshops some scenes with him which was an incredible experience. I'll bet yeah so. Shout out to airline film programmers. You're doing a great job now. Originally this was going to be artist in residence. Kinda grant just a series of shorts but then the head of the Olympic channel stepped in. Yes so after seeing track town and realizing that Alexi was actually an Olympic athlete. The president of the Olympics reached out to us because were starting artist in residency program effort to combine the arts with the Games more and opened opportunities for athletes to do projects at the Olympics. You know coming from the Mumbai Record Indie film. I feel like we came of age looking up to the Joe Swartberg and do foster brothers like we knew that. Give us a camera. We can make a feature film in the Olympic Village. Like no put us in coach. Let us do this. But of course to people not familiar with microfilm making that seems like an impossible thing so what we landed on. What are we going to make a short film in the Olympic Village? And if there's enough footage will turn it into a feature. That's where it started and from that point we developed. The idea would be so we knew that it would be. Alexi and me and we'd be able to bring one other person that's all the security clearance that we could get. We knew that we would pull in athletes and real people to clave fictional roles but the two main actors. What's the film you can make so lost in translation became our biggest inspiration and we unashamedly adapted slash stall that conceit of two people? Lost Souls at a transitional time in their life coming together for this transformative period of time are backdrop was the Olympics. I knew that we would be able to capture enough footage for feature so I kinda planned it all out with the hope that we'll be able to pull this off and Nick. Kroll came on board to be the third leg of our three person team. Doctor E yes Dr. Ezra volunteer dentist because in Rio and Alexi competed. She met a volunteer doctor. Who asked her out. Of course we were engaged at that time and she politely turned down his offer but that was the spark for this idea. We had a whirlwind three and a half weeks shooting. I was a one man band so I shot did sync sound directed at the same time. Alexia nick did each other's makeup and Mike themselves up and I had a feature films worth of raw footage and I cut the short films like retroactively from that. So many five shorts that are more avant-garde like visual and once those were received. Well we got the go-ahead to cut together. The feature which is now being distributed by IFC films and Olympic Channel. Yes it premiered at South by southwest and IFC came in to do our distribution and the Olympic channel is a new entity within the IOC the International Olympic Committee. It's actually an exciting group. They're like a group of folks from the entertainment world who now work for the Olympics to try and do cool collaborations like this and this is their first narrative project there's microfilm making and then there is being a one man band because you were director cinematographer and did one hundred percent of the sound. Yes which is unfathomable for a lot of narrative filmmakers. A lot of doc filmmakers like of course what other ways to do it but yes first of all we wanted to keep a really small profile second of all we could not bring more people out with us so what I did was put together at the time the most advanced one man band rig that we could get we wanted to have a cinema quality is fair to say I was shooting like a verite documentary style but it needed to be sound quality and picture quality that would let you suspend your disbelief for a narrative film so I worked with my sound designer Nathan rule and some texts from Panasonic to design this rig. That would enable me to well okay. There's no way to like not be ultra gear nerdy about this. So let's just do it. So what we did was actually knew. We needed to have a Panasonic camera body because they have deal with the Olympics so I had to but it was also cool because I knew if something were to go wrong there be tex around I use the evil one which is like their Pro Sumer Camera. It has e F mount so you could use. Dsl are lenses which brings the cost down the weight down like honestly cost is not a factor with the quick weight so I tried the camera. That's one step up from the evil one. The very cabinet was simply too heavy for me to deal with on my own. I knew like I'm GonNa have three weeks of picking this thing up one hundred times a day so starting with that e f Mount Lenses and then we had a sound devices sync sound rig that I had to sling over my other shoulder which was then jam sync hardwired to the cameras so that there was no need to slate. If I just hit record it started recording the lobster fed in and then there was like a boom attached to the camera and I use the. Mono pod and we made friends with the team. Usa bobsled chiropractor. Who would adjust my back every day after you were done shooting. Yeah so that's how we hold it off. Pretty wild now. You talked about lost in translation but I know that you have some other. Inspirations on this film before sunrise of course. That's funny that I feel like Richard Linklater's influences so baked in for me that I don't even think to say it but yes I mean. I don't think he was the first person ever make a movie about two people meeting random place and following them for an extended period of time. But certainly that's what people associate that setup with is Rick linklaters movies a cool moment was I had a chance to meet him and then he came to watch the film at South by and has since become a mentor and friend at we got to do a Q. And A. Together after one of the screenings and most filmmakers are super impressed with this one man band thing that we had to do but he i. That's how I made slacker. I don't see what's such a big deal out doing that now. Speaking of two people who met totally at random you and Alexi were at Dartmouth. Yes but there's a difference of opinion. I understand because you claimed that you met when you were filming concert on campus. And she came up to dance onstage. Yes that she says that you met at a party a semester prior. Here's what I'll say about that. Alexis and Olympic athlete but there was a period of time when he wasn't running when our lifestyles could intersect. Like the first time I ever went to a track meet in my life was after we had been dating for a year and I was probably twenty one twenty so I'm not surprised that the memory of maybe our first meeting is a little bit hazy. I think she and I both became much more like serious people about pursuing our goals like after we met each other. I think she helped me kind of commit to becoming a filmmaker even very concrete. When I was trying to figure out how to put together my first movie she helped me write. Grant applications forged. This is something you could really do. And I think I did the same really believing in her path as again an athlete and a writer and for that very first film you ended up winning an Oscar nomination for best student film a Student Oscar. Yeah the Student Academy Awards for documentary. So I've made a short doc when I was in college and I went back to that area village in Senegal. I'd known this group of students since I was a student myself and they acted as fictional versions of themselves and that was tells the Baobab Tree. I fill.
"joe swartberg" Discussed on ID10T with Chris Hardwick
"It was funded sixty throw a table at me. I can take come on down. Yeah no it was a great community and I go community. I feel like we all had such a fun time too. That's what I thought of. Most when I was watching episodes is like like I could. Vividly remember the behind the scenes inside jokes that we were doing while shooting certain episodes and things that would stay in our brains and like I just love those goofballs like we still are running group. Text chain is like a daily thing. Well I think it also is good because you know listen you said Oh. I've been so lucky to work on all these things that I've really enjoyed but you make those choices like not everyone I mean. Obviously you're getting opportunities but you're also but I feel like you are creating those opportunities because you are you believe in yourself as a performer. Definitely but also I. I think that luck is also involved in a major way like the year that I auditioned for community. I also auditioned for a pilot called two dollar beer. That didn't get picked adopt. Could've is easily book that all Donald Targets you know. I do think I've gotten lucky. 'cause you watch very talented people do pilot highland after pilot every year. You know and stuff that you go. Oh Yeah I could see how that sounded great and the people behind it are awesome but then it just didn't work and then you also realize how it really is magic when things work like. That's how I felt on globe because I think probably because coming from madman and community it was like like can it happen again And working with a lot of women on the show who haven't worked on a show before for the fall like I was like like an old fogy trying to be guys. You don't even realize like this doesn't happen all the time. We're super lucky. This is crazy chemistry's amazing and the magic has happened. Yeah it is it is it is hard to especially. If that's your first job to have an amazing job. Yeah and then go to a second job thinking like Oh this is going to be as every show is a hit show. I mean but I mean madman was essentially my first TV job. So I guess I had a bit of that. Yeah but but what's Great. Is that the now that you've done this like three times in a row. I feel like the business trusts you. Yes and so you're GONNA a get even more and other opportunities because you you have been a part of it I hope so. There's no I mean there's just no question did you. I don't know I'm because you can do. You can do dramatic stuff but you also are such a phenomenal comedy actor too so it just feel. There's so much that you can do kill. The question will be how. How will you trusting your gut? How how do you know what to pick? You know like not listening to someone you should do this. I don't know if I should trust me. You know that is the most daunting thing. Definitely as we're going into our final season glow this is going to be the fourth and final seasons so it. It's so nice to a real luxury to know in advance that it's the last season because in addition to you are show runners getting to write like an amazing final season. Tie everything up in a bow. We also have a slight jump. Start on Great GonNa be free looking for other work serving in June. So that's a great advantage but it is. It's interesting as Mike reading stuff in even just trying to wrap my head around that which is kind of difficult to do while. We're still sure you're up to shoot the finals. It's like I'm not ready to say goodbye to glow yet. Even other like you should be thinking about the next thing now. It's like I'm not ready but it's it's a tricky thing to sort of way. Yes it's exactly what you're talking about. There's a lot of people who will be like on paper paper. This is the job the job you should do next or some this makes sense career-wise from where you've been already and I I do think gut has a lot to do with it and I also think we're all always growing and changing. I certainly feel like I have grown and changed and my taste has changed and the things like as you work on something than certain things get fulfilled so now looking at the next thing. You're like well what else hasn't been like. I don't want to keep doing the same thing and I really. I feel like I haven't other luxuries like from Madman to community to glow it's like who end also not just three different types of shows but three completely letelier different characters so it is for you. I think it's going to be the sort of fun thing of like. Oh I WANNA do I WANNA be some weird this sir like a you know yeah definitely yeah. It's all that stuff and saying and weighing that against even my own life I guests and who I am and my age you know what I mean like now I feel this way as a person and and then the other factor to of I think the kind of people people you WanNa work with and in that way glow has been so opposite to community in terms of just the tumultuous nature sure of community as a show with the there were some volatile people. There were there was a lot of uncertainty always on the bubble getting pulled off the air getting pulled back on the Air Dan Dan harmon getting fired. Rehired getting cancelled getting picked up a yahoo screen. Right right you know. Do you remember that infamous Yahu screen. I read one year. I remember I remember moderating the panel when Dan came back and exciting at COMECON DINO SAMA topple asked a question from the audience like he stood in line s a question. He was like starbucks. Yeah so Dan I guess unfought Sony then or whatever it was and Dan was like all right and it was a good deal so he was he was. He was harassing day because Dan was on his best behavior so he was like okay. All right yeah we get it. You know I agree next next now. I just WanNa make sure that we're clear. You know totally here. He came out as iron man in an like an iron man in the boxes. Right and I think they can't remember but but maybe we were in like the biggest haul at comecon earth COMECON COMECON for community. That's insane our fans are the best. It was like seven thousand people. You know people but anyway I guess so the flip side of that has been in this like female oasis of like feminist power on this. Oh glow where. Things have been super harmonious and I mean there's always a lot going on making a show and a lot of personality and a lot of things happening but having a very united cast and crew and you you know it just checked so many boxes and also you're like Oh okay so it is possible to have like a pretty great. I mean the community environment was great so I don't know exactly what I'm trying to say. I know what you mean in terms of the environment like it didn't feel you're just talking just talking about the volatility and how little control over it. Everyone felt yes. And this to me. What you're saying just like the show just feels like the production just feels very comfortable? Yes and it's like yes. Yes there's just like a real lack of drama for a show with fifteen female characters. There's a real lack of drama. Needless draw and also not showing up everybody being like so. We're working next week right guys. Are we still shooting. But it's not cool good to know. I've been reading some weird stuff on the Internet. Are we sure we're GONNA it'll be here next week. I mean that's a whole other layer because everything just feels so impermanent in this business anyway. Yeah well and also I mean not to really get get into this stuff but it's it's also such an interesting time with with the women in our industry and men in our industry and kind of Cleaning House and sort of getting rid of a lot of nefarious character and women being able to kind of own their power and certainly glow has been that way being that it's a show run by women and created by women and and being number one on the call sheet and me feeling like I have a more of a voice there even because of just because of that but so as I look forward to the next thing it feels like also have it really was different. It's been really different working with so many women in a really good way so I've also worked with a lot of great men. I always want to work with men and women but there is a sense of like as I look forward to the next thing to where I'm kind of like I want women I want women to the involved and also winning around or also then. No one can ever make the argument again. Well I don't know she was like no fuck you do it. We fucking did did it perfectly. So it's this fun time of like we feel we've all been moving forward and now it's up to us to continue to move forward in the way that we make decisions to produce a show attached to a show who we want to work with. I feel like there are so many antiquated ideas from the old media. Business about who can open opened a movie and who can star in this thing and it's like what I feel like what the streaming services like Netflix have shown is when they're not so like when networks were so afraid to try anything Netflix. Look we're making so much program we're GonNa try and then that was the proving ground it's like. Yeah it works you make a good show and a good show is a good show. I know and so I'm so happy for you and I also think that now that you know how to do quit like your next job like you can take this model into your next job. Yes because you have you done it. So yes I think so. That is the plan I feel like also. Yeah I mean in that sense twenty. Nine thousand nine hundred was a really great year because my husband and I both wrote movies and he directed his and I acted in. It's called the rental through taste and I wrote mine with Jeff Bena and we co produced it with the Duke suplies brothers and this horse girl star in it and it was really fun. Both you know low budget movies small mall productions but it was so fun to be to watch Dave I. It was the the whole process not to relate everything to to my wonderful husband but it was really fun because I watched him as he was writing this movie with Joe Swartberg and then that really inspired me to write a movie with my friend friend and so everything was happening like and then it was like we're getting our movie made and there was like we're getting our movie made. We shot his movie. In April we shot our movie in June. You know it was really just kind of like this experience And so I got to watch as he was putting his crew together and he was like he had such a strong vision for his movie and and but was really like I. Just don't WanNa work with assholes misses the small production. We have a little amount of time to do a lot of stuff and I want it to be exactly what I wanted to be. I want really good people but I believe leave that I can hire really good people who are really good at their jobs and also not asshole and I'm gonNA prove that it's possible and he did and and it was just the most wonderful experience Christian springer shot at who shot our first season. aglow he shoots all of it land. We shot it in Oregon and it. Just it was like the most harmonious and in a five week shoot. We shot three solid weeks of nights and people were getting sick left and right and it was still the greatest group of people know complaining having so much fun and then with horse girl it was really the same. I mean the duplex others are so wonderful and we did it for Netflix. And Mel as Lynn was another one of our producers and Alana carruthers and they I mean the laws. Everybody at applause is so supportive first of all and course girl is a Kooky movie and we also you know. We wrote a thirty five page outline and we improvised all the dialogue in the move. Oh my gosh for the most part so you know it's a hard sell to some people but not to those guys not scared of that at all. I mean listen I mean of course they shot creep on iphones phones. You know what I mean like the way they were like for Blue Jay. We had a one page outline and we shot a movie based on it. We were like oh great. So you're not afraid of Arno very detailed thirty-five pages at one point Mark Do Plaza as as we were like agreeing to go into business with each other. He was like to Jeff and I was like. I don't need to know every detail did you want..
"joe swartberg" Discussed on Work in Progress with Sophia Bush
"Hi Everyone Sophia. Bush here welcomed a work in progress where I talked to people who inspire me about how they got to where they are and where. They think they're still going. Oh God guys. I'm so excited about today. I think that this is actually the first work in progress interview with someone that I've been on a show and it was hands down one of the most fun foaming experiences I have ever had in my life. Jacqueline Bony is an amazing actress. Who I got to work grip on the NETFLIX? Show easy. You haven't seen it yet. You should go watch. You're welcome. It was so much fun to have my co Star and my now dear friend on the pod to learn more about her childhood chocolate grew up in San Francisco and went to Catholic school to hear how she landed her first acting job while still in college casual here hear about her time working on grim also working with the amazing Joe Swartberg our writer director on easy and now she is starring in the l Word Generation Unq-. I was so thrilled to talk about how everything in life has led her to this moment. What it means to be forging path with a new queer identity? I can't wait to watch her on that. Show.
"joe swartberg" Discussed on The No Film School Podcast
"Guys this is your gentleman editor in chief chief and film school here on the film school podcast. Today we have an interview I conducted with Andre. Hyland back at Sundance earlier. This is year. Andre is an old friend of mine. I've worked with him years ago on a couple of different projects and he she has a lot going on right now We talked at Sundance because he had his short old haunt playing. Their old haunt is now available. Able so just google it find it. It's everywhere it's out in the world it's great He directed it stars in it but Andrea Stars and death take long which maybe some theaters is definitely available on streaming and is a must watch. We did a interview on the site with director. Daniel Shiner with done a lot of stuff with Daniels in the past on no film school. This movie is phenomenal. I highly highly recommend it. It's funny it's weird. It's unique it's definitely worth a view. And it's fascinating to talk to Andre especially this time of year Halloween etc because he's a great comic talent but in both old haunt and in death of Dick long he finds a way to bring his other sensibility. Disability his his filmmaking skill and his ability to ground things in some kind of honesty to both things. And that's really. What makes them work? I think so. Enjoy the conversation. We have under his great both the short and the feature are great and check them out when you get a chance and thanks for listening I go way back to the Andrei we work together. I WANNA say like ten years ago. Maybe it was nine uh-huh years ago it was a while ago and the crazy thing is. I'm just here at Sundance covering stuff. And I saw him in an amazing movie that everyone should see death of Dick Long. I didn't even recognize him for a while. And then at a certain point I was like Oh my God. That's Andrei Island. You you killed it movies. Amazing you're great thank you. Yeah and then and And then short here too. Yeah so then. I saw that which is also incredible completely different but So for those don't know Andrea is a writer director actor multi talented guy who's sort of like created characters and crafted different routines in his comedy. That he's done done in his video stuff and so no film school. We're all about how people get started. That's one of our big things is like helping people figure out how to get their entry point into the industry by just making stuff often how to make stuff and so you're kind of the perfect person to talk to because at least like when I knew you initially your guy who's like I'm just going to create stuff come. I'm da going to start making stuff and sure enough things have happened. I just told the whole story. We need to do anything like but like yeah I I orange is talk to you about like how Sundance. How's it being here? How is it having multiple things here and you've had multiple things here over the years before? Yeah Yeah it's pretty great. I mean me. I had final here in the short film I made and then came back. Two years later with the feature I made the fourth and then I was in a movie called L. A. Times. The show Morgan directed actor so then. It's funny each time I've been here. It's been for like a different experience. The first time it was a short I wrote directed and starred in that got played with a feature replayed with Joe Swartberg. Happy Christmas like at even have like the normal shorts experience bezos attached feature. And that just was like a really cool experience. My first experience here the next time I came back with a feature sure that I wrote direct and start and that was a very different experience as a here trying to sell movie rather than kind of just like riding the fun calling card sort of experience. Was that your first feature feature that I made. Yeah Yeah Yeah. What was that like being in Sundance? That must've been awesome is so funny because I was one of the few times where where I don't know like some you'll have a goal and yours is my goal was just met in the most tangible way like I said I go is I want to come back to Sundance for the feature. I don't like thinking about it that way when I'm creating something but that was like the next time I come on have a feature and then sure enough didn't happen didn't help that you'd been here. Seen how things work met people I think it you know I think it helps. I mean like while I was here or the whole process like knowing what Sundance was like. And what the other stuff was was like. Did it help you and you made the feature knowing you wonder at Sundance know what I mean. I don't know like this before. I put funnel in the first one like. Yeah I never thought of submitting to Sundance not an dismissive way or anything like that. I just thought Oh what I do is probably not on their radar just like for. I don't know like everybody feels this way in their own Version like oh I don't fit in. That's not my thing not that I wasn't into Sundance. Just like I know like an art school. I was always to commercial in like entertainment. I'm to already the guy whatever and I just thought like. Oh maybe that's too serious for my cobb and he's not I I just it wasn't even like I didn't have thought about it. It was just like Oh. It's off my radar. I think it that makes sense. I think part of what what's true about us. It's not easy to fit you in a box. Because you're you're comedy but you're also filmmaker. Yes your comedy is not like it is Artie. It's not like over the top slapstick. Obvious comedy it's like clever and unique and character base. So but but it's interesting that you've had to home at Sundance. Yeah because Sundance you think of Sundance as like that's where serious dramas blue right right. And I mean I always thought it was cool when it's like you know what I mean like but I there's so much stuff I've been turned away from that. I didn't even have a negative thought. He was just like a not like. Oh that's not like like why don't I pitch to show to oxygen oxygen or you know what I mean. Nothing against oxygen. It's just like oh I don't think my stuff would be on the radar. Maybe it is. What's up from Oxygen Food Network worker? Something I don't know but you might be really good on the food network. I could see that working ally food. I eat it every day. I think what's cool about it though is as you're saying that you're referencing like you've been turned away from so many things and it's funny because you're on a podcast. You're at Sundance. I'm sure it's no but it's like but I think it's helpful helpful for people to know that it's like but that doesn't mean that there haven't been many times things I worked on you with a pilot for comedy central yeah. There's a lot of things that it's like you get to the into us like a sports member you're like on the ten yard line right for your or your like on the one yard line but like I just saw for years terrible red zone execution lot of field goals a lot of mistakes but at the same time. It's like everyone of those things you learned from right. Yeah for all these great relationships. Mentors Bob Odin. Yeah Bob Bob Odenkirk Great. I mean he was the one who like you know like when I showed him funnel initially like it was like close to the last cut that was after having done the pilot with them in a couple of projects he he was the one who is like. Hey would you come on a producer. Lend my name to it. I don't know if it'll help or not. But you know that might help and I said yeah that'd be great and then you know I think funnel speaks speaks for itself at this point but I I know a couple of whatever there's always there's always haters out there say well you know some people were saying to me Like oh right not to me I would say only go. There is bubbling Kirk. Had His name on it. It's like I wouldn't be surprised if you see his name and you go. I'll make sure to check that out but it doesn't guarantee you a thing Now I'll tell you what you know movies with. Celebrities are bigger names. That don't get into this all the time. So and also like whatever I'm just GonNa go on the mini tangent engine just to please do respond to this thing. That was an annoying thing that popped up a couple times just like why would someone with integrity put their name on something they think is crap blake like if a an institution with integrity takes it. They're not just going to take something you know what I mean like. Like why would he take a name with credibility input on some garbage. That doesn't get into something with credibility it doesn't work that way definitely not experience. I know it's funny because I was at slam dance sauce Steven soderbergh's movie. Yeah Steven Soderbergh Berg. Basically like his for sex is videotaped helped define sundance and independent filmmaking. And he's made a new interesting movie. Awesome Weinberg at at Slam dance and he was is talking about. How like always slammed ends? He's looking for talent that he likes. And it's just about people who like Christopher Nolan ones where he's like this guy's amazing and and I just want to get them in a room to help them get something done and his name's on it but it's like you're saying it's like that doesn't guarantee anything. Yes just helping someone. He thinks it's good that people will enjoy right. We get more more good stuff. Yeah Yeah it's funny because it that's sort of like you know like someone put on a guest. Mc you're like. I'll watch it but they recommended but it doesn't say okay do it. Yeah the Lakers. Saying how many people just watch something. Because they see it producers and they leave a way lending his name to great his his support but also like in a in a more tangible way. He's like helped you kind of guide. Yeah exactly exactly. He's the one who was like Yo. You really need to this. Submit this like because for me when I did funnel leg. You're saying previously to that. I'd done mostly like character stuff. Not that it's not character and funnel but prior to that most my characters were still grounded in the real world but far different from my own personality for the most part. Where's funnel was just? It was after my second comedy. Central pilot knock. You haven't spent like a year and a half on a developing a character for it. I was like I just WanNa do something where I just. I just want to do exercise to learn how to be more like me on camera more like an. I don't know a normal person in a sense. The answer whatever more and I did three things when I went back to Cincinnati for Christmas I did funnel and I did a man on the street as myself and I didn't know short called bus stop. That's on youtube where it's just like not acting like myself address more like myself. Yeah it was all about unmasking..
"joe swartberg" Discussed on Work in Progress with Sophia Bush
"Out getting rejected three times a day. Hey during pilot season. You know almost every day every other month of the year. It's like the the the business is built to make you feel worthless just by percentages of success versus failure so I would imagine that something like that that that that that stamp what that meant so much to you it grounds confidence in you that most other things probably wouldn't be able to yeah. I mean like everything is pretty fleeting even even compliments in this business and so like you know especially like when you're an artist person and that's your mentality. It's like you know it is. It's hard to take that stuff in and unlike really have that inform how you feel about yourself but it was. It was a real gift. I mean you know working for her. You know you you know it really for me it. It changed everything and and it was hard like I had I did choose to leave that job because at a certain point I felt like okay I got. I got everything I think I can possibly get out of this. I could see myself getting very comfortable working for her but I knew that I wanted to do do something more personal tell my own story you know and she was really supportive and you know and then. I ended up getting getting into multi camera television I and writing pilots and things like that and I did end up developing a show with her and that was my show called one big happy on NBC and she was my executive producer so I did get to continue working with her which was also you know really awesome and a great experience though brief and and was that show about it was based on my relationship with my straight guy best friend so Elisha Cuthbert played me. Nick Zano played my friend and it was about a gay girl and her straight guy best friend fulfilling their agreement from long ago to have a baby together. I love that and a little progressive for network television and it was only four years ago. GM Yeah I wanNA make that show. Oh now I know right. It didn't make it to air and it was like you know making a show for network television. There's so many filters that the show had to go through that ultimately like you know it wasn't exactly the show that I wanted it to be. He often gets very sanitize. It was very gets washed out yeah. It was a bit it because of the Hetero washed if you will and like look I'm really grateful to have even had the chance to have a show with a lesbian lead character on network television it it was only it was the first time that had happened since Ellen show was canceled eighteen years earlier but I'm grateful to have had that opportunity. It is is what it is and it was what it was and it put me in the place that I could be ready to do the show debt me. You know I could have said that better but you know what I'm saying. You know it really teed you up made you a creator and show runner and that's huge yeah it gave me the chance to show runner and it gave me the chance to see a vision that I had had come to life and that was a huge opportunity. The show is really short lived but the experience of making it was incredible and I think that's a really important thing to be reminded ended of this business but I imagine in any like sometimes. It isn't the length the doing is the win exact like to get a pilot sold. Let alone. UNMADE is nearly impossible yeah and then to make it to get the budget to cast the people you want and to do just that or four episodes or eight episodes or whatever it's like you're breathing the most rarefied air and sometimes you forget to enjoy that it got made in the first place because you're wanting it to continue I think that culture wants us to like always be getting somewhere but then we're just playing catch up with ourselves forever right. I know at least at this stage in my life. I'm trying to really celebrate the wins as they happen and let's not be enough. Well I think yes I couldn't agree more lake. I think that's sort of the constant lesson. I'm learning which is not. It's not about the result. It is about the experience getting there you know and I think a journey I mean it is and as as sort of like you know it's not a platitude. It's just true. It's like for example with one big. Happy it. It was short lived and I only got to make one short season. The making of it was incredible and I really enjoyed that time. I loved working with those actors. You know it was a really wonderful enriching experience and I forgot bat when it was cancelled because I was so crushed and you know sad and heartbroken him that it was gone that I forgot to sort of focus on well. You spend more time actually making it you know and that really was the precious experience of it. Which is why I think when I was starting to rake dead to me. I wasn't even thinking about the result because I was like. I don't know what the Hell's going to happen with us. I better just enjoy the process. Well IT forces you to learn non attachment weirdly the beating the beating in the that you receive and are forced to endure in this business kind of makes you a bit a bit of a Buddhist. You're like I can't be attached to any. I mean it's true. It's true I've. I've had that same conversation with Christina applegate. WHO's The star Demi like when we were just waiting in to see what happened with the show and before the show premiered she was like whatever happens I don't know like I've just learned not to get too excited and not to put too many expectations into it and then maybe you'll be pleasantly surprised yeah something I do WanNa do 'cause I. I'm a big data science nerd and something that feels really important just to highlight for a second. 'cause you brought up a stat that I think we'll probably shock people. You know I think we're having all these cultural conversations. Finally in the forefront everyone assumes there's more equality in a lot of these spaces and especially in the entertainment space then there really is people look at TV and they're they don't understand Dan. We were fighting for more representation for women and for gay characters and for people of Color but I just WanNa read a couple of stature. You said that your show was the first time there had been a lesbian lead character in eighteen years on the air females accounted for fewer than a third of speaking characters eleven hundred films released during eleven consecutive consecutive years ending in two thousand seventeen according to the inclusion initially a- Annenberg did however both relatively low budget and high budget films with diverse cast asked members earn more at the box office than those without diversity among unders people of color spent more on tickets than white people according to see as examination of theatrical go from releases the number of women and people of color directing episodes of entertainment TV shows for the second consecutive year has hit a record high but it's still insanely insanely small. There are only seventeen percent of all shows on television that have one black staff writer. It's like women are crazy. Crazy women are over-represented of course script supervisor. Art Coordinator is in production coordinator and among the non actors who are covered by by the Union's contract. Men are still more likely than women to snag new weekly contracts to perform lead roles in plays musicals and television shows. It's like the gap up is still so big and I think there's this idea that because like ellen is on TV or a is a director or black Geishas on that were good yeah like Queer is on TV a very want and it's like we'll but they're still not characters and there's still so many spaces. This is where there's the one woman where there's the one we would just we would like more. I would like more dead to me. That's more of so you could just has made four more of those. I'm sure you have so much spare time. That's what's so weird. Is that like again like I wasn't in making a show with two female leads. It didn't feel Lake Lake. I was doing anything that special. You know what I mean. What do they care. Okay there's story. It's a story and there's two women in it like what is the big deal but the way in which has been received seved an celebrated as like. Oh my God finally like two women in their forties. I think there is such a large part of me. That's like that should not be a big deal but it is what it is and I'm happy to have contributed and to give that representation on television. It is a privilege to be able to do that but my God. It should not be a headline. It just shouldn't it. Should there should be so many more shows. I Yeah I mean I could go on and on but for me you I know right now. Seven of eight writers are women and I haven't booked all my directors but I'm aiming book all female directors for this season last season it was all female and or Lgbtq people so I take my responsibility very seriously as a female showrunner as showrunner you know at that it it is my job to elevate and employ people who for me. I want to see that their names in the credit. Yeah you know and it isn't. I just want to clarify for for people. It's not about like some sort of preferential treatment or like damn the man it's like this is what it takes to create any kind of quality. It has to be happen. Shawl shnell about it yeah because the system isn't built for it and if you know seventy percent of directors are men like I'm GonNa. Dj I want a direct more it. It requires somebody being intentional about hiring us as women exactly because there's just the system where they hand stuff to the boys and there's all this unconscious bias and it isn't the guys fall. I've worked with amazing mail direct telling you how much fun I had. The one experience I've had with net afflicts is easy with Joe Swartberg and like one of the best experiences I've ever had in my career you know he's my favorite all work for him forever but I also want to work with incredible women and incredible. LGBTQ folks in front of behind the camera layoff. Those those things are priorities for me because I want to make sure that the stats that we were just looking at right change and that's the thing is that because if you're already I mean I don't you know what the percentage is now but like it's also a very high percentage of of mail show runners and I get it. You'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA. I like to work with people who I connect with breath. I like to work with people that I feel that I have something in common with for me. That's women more gay people and it's my prerogative to do that and if I was a white dude I would probably in many ways connect with other dudes. There's no inherently issue with that. It's just that in order to create equality. You got to put yourself alf in the position to empower other people once you're given the power which I'm really lucky to have. It's my job now. Oh yeah to give that to other women how does that. I mean you talked a little bit about your writer's room. What is your sort of hiring process like for that room. What are you looking to to represent in that room. So you know first and foremost I read the scripts you know that are submitted to me and I'm looking for. I'm looking for a simpatico had. Akot voice or tone that I feel I can translate to me. It is a very specific show and the tone is very very unique. Take and so. I'm looking to see okay. Can I see that style of writing adapt itself to what I'm looking for. You know obviously I'm looking for women women because the lead characters are women and the show is a very feminist show and its soul. I'm looking also then when I'm meeting with writers for for people who are willing to be open vulnerable and give their personal stories to the show and I think that that is in part why this show is connected with so many people is because really written from a real place of feeling and authenticity of experience and so often the writers in my room have experienced some real level of loss or trauma or fertility struggles myself included so that and then of course I'm looking for people I I want to be in room with so much of being a writer in a room spending time together and enjoying that time so those are the basic parameters. I'm also of course. I'm looking looking for experience like I have a certain experience which is very sort of comedy heavy. I've written on a lot of multi camera shows. I've written for Comedians begins and so I feel pretty confident in the comedy space so my first season the show I was really looking for people who had done our long or cable comedy you. You know just a different experience level. I'm always looking to learn from the people I'm in a room with. I don't need to be the smartest person I don't want to be. The smartest person I want to be awed by the people I'm working with and so I'm often looking for people I really respect and admire and I've been really lucky in terms of being able to hire those people be the and then of course like I want a range of life experience too so and it's important to me. Obviously it always have you know as much diversity as I can whether that's with other. LGBTQ people or people of Color and so on so that that's sort of how I do it so awesome. You talked a a lot about how you were you said and I think the quotas pretty great when you figure out what the circumstances are. He said that your life had a lot of twists interns in the moment when you were pitching dead to me who over the course of one week you had your milestone birthday learned of your cousin's death found out your the best friend was pregnant. When do your cousin's funeral found out your other best friend was pregnant and then learn the very next day that you were not right. That's a big week yeah. That's the like if you wrote it. Nobody would exactly week. How do you have that week and walk in to a group of executives at an entertainment..
"joe swartberg" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast
"It's like dude. I saw the vendors with you. We both know that Robert Downey junior events time travel I mean these things are also the historically determined so who knows like twenty years from now this movie or book smart are going to seem like so pat and cloying when we're still doing the podcasts in one years from now over a garbage can fight on her tails knee deep in water during Wa- my sugar crystals are actually just parts of the Barrier Reef of Melton my coffee off. We'll have a little generator and a floaty workforce. It'd be Isaac on a bicycle. That's how we run the and that's our feminism at this point that uh uh-huh men are electricity now there. I think it's interesting that you describing almost as a scale and we're like well if this is true then this needs to because it does seem like female representation in general like it is like if if these things are flawed flood than these things need to be yeah quote unquote not flawed and like I mean could you make a movie like Francis. How with a non wait character at this time? I I don't know that that would have experienced success in the same way that this movie dead or that it would have been accepted in the same way this movie did and that's worth discussing and I think that that is like something thing that is still present in as much as I like enjoyed it and I thought it was a fun romp of a movie like book smart to me felt like to extent like kind of a checklist kind of movie movie and the good thing about that means that at least hitting some points like that is now marketable and is now like something that people bull We'll give you money to make if you're a very famous white lady already but at least the idea of movies that feature sure women that are flood to an extent as marketable is really cool and indicates progress and I don't know I think this movie like Francis House almost like a little bit of an outlier I mean I it also helps that it was really cheap to make as three million dollar budget. Oh yes. He's a super super cheap. No one in this movie was really famous yet. I feel like Noah Baumbach is most likely the reason that this got made because he'd had a few successes already and it was a i. I think this is the first the first movie that she co-wrote. That's let me just assuming a lot she did. She write any of these mumble core. Although I'm GONNA say she's a very good actress because I think I just felt like oh my gosh. She's just being sort of awkwardly herself but then I saw twentieth century women. I'm like Oh great. She's a real actress because she plays a much more also also weird artist but more articulate kind of together. I'm like Oh a character that I don't conflict with Greta Gerwig so yeah. I don't know for written. Her first credited you did reading thing is like she made a bunch of Joe Swartberg movies so for those big Joe Swan Burgers like Mr Mobile Corps he lived in Chicago Chicago. He made that Shitty Netflix. Show easy or if you liked it. I thought it was Shitty but whatever he he made a bunch of these early mumble core movies. Her first credited did writing credit was on a two thousand seven movie called Hannah takes the stairs haven't yeah but that was Hanan mumble core and then. She directed her first movie. Ah directed a movie in Oh eight that she wrote as well but this is I mean owes lady bird not her first direct direct to`real debut but hey I'm gonna go ahead and say I think Noah and Greta greater than the sum of their parts. I agree I mean. I like this better than lady. Bird and I definitely definitely liked it better than anything. Noah Baumbach has done. This is my favorite that I mean I've only had British. I've only seen two three. He made that machete movie with Ben Stiller Great Greenburgh. Yeah is that right. I mix up Noah Baumbach Joe Swartberg all the time because I just want to make more money that's true. That's true an for them. We gotTA handed to them. Greta GERWIG. 's directorial debut was a mobile core flop with just. Berg but it was made for fifteen thousand dollars. Oh Um mm so you know like I think lady bird was her like her big win her. It's credited as Solo Directory debut she so drained it in a way okay either way. This was this was Greta. GERWIG break. I think is like it's viewed. Ask and I think that that is that is a great and a slight very very slight tip of the hat to Noah Baumbach four really featuring her and giving her the credit she deserves because it seems like there's if this movie I would guess if this movie was just written by Noah Baumbach. It wouldn't have had the focus on the female friendship. It wouldn't have had the focus on her and it wouldn't have reflected her experience as well as it. Does you know it's funny. I remember when it came out reading an interview with Noah Baumbach which if I remember correctly it's funny that they were magazine piece just about Noah Baumbach for the release of this movie now trae young. He did say that yeah it was kind of he had to coax her into writing it because at that time in her life. I think she was probably like twenty-seven or maybe a little later almost thirty and she was sort of venting about these frustrations ends in her own career and he was just that's fascinating. Write it down but so which is the point. Is that like you need a man to point out what's interesting posting about you and what's worthy about you artistically in order to put it out into the world and I feel like it's almost a reflection of the okay I wanNA give an example from a friend that who may or may not have been on this podcast previously but I don't know she wants me to put her in blasts that way but an example of like how I think women very often are are trained to underestimate themselves for things that men will just be like. Oh of course I can do this and how at times having a male ally allied to tell you know you are ready to do this is important and I think like but my dear friend was considering considering running for office inside of like this social group that she she'd been a part of for almost two years but then repeatedly singling. I don't don't know if I'm ready. I don't know if people can be serious enough. I don't know if I've proven myself in this group quite enough and then when they were announcing okay who's GonNa run for this position three guys who had been there less than then a month where like I think ready and so then that was what you miserable. I know I've fucking Ben Ready for this all these people who just got here think that they're ready and so I mean for better or worse that's a real thing and that's important like gaslight props to to Noah Baumbach for you know saying what does every need to be said because she was ready so I'm GonNa go out into the street and ask all the dudes. If I'm ready. Only they will be able to tell you well all day. If you are a man with any power or influence that is in a position to you know encourage yeah lift up produce. Put the put the spotlight on okay who deserves it. That hasn't had go down without expecting anything in return. You don't always choose the person who is has exactly your experience or nothing will ever happen. Yeah Ding one little just quick thing I wanted to point out as in the beginning when Francis Jason Sophie you're still getting along splendidly they're talking about their futures and the things that they want and they're like yeah. We'll do this and I think this is when it's at a point in the movie where they're getting along and they're close they say we'll have lovers and no children and I just appreciate there's ability for women. Don't WanNa have kids as as a woman who does not WanNa have children as always refreshing to see that that represented onscreen yeah so the end I like it. I like it all is there. Is there anything else that anyone wanted to hit on before we. I've been the Paris. How could you on this to this without announced. I just wanted to say that as someone who kind of found herself in Paris at one point in two thousand thirteen actually year for this movie game. It couldn't have happened but it was kind of thing where I got off the plane and I remember thinking. Oh my God like it actually does look. Paris looks like Paris. It looks like exactly like every postcard movie you've seen and there's something deeply sad about that and I just I just I haven't. I haven't recovered. I have to go back every month. Absolutely so luckily you have that free place to stay yeah. I like to blurt that out at dinner party. Yeah I mean honestly yeah if if we're out and more than two second passes she says any loves the car I've of Independent. Peres you have an iphone charge reckon us. May I just say casinos and do that and the parents the money I've been to Paris. If you lose a slot machine I've been a pair knocked the whole thing over. May I just say that. I've I have been to Paris only be one. We learn nothing. Female Protagonists fight each other regretfully I am I went in two thousand ten and so I went there. I okay well yeah someone who does the first time ever the only time that it matters. I concede. Thank you so much. Thank you so much on who won the podcast yeah. I think that was all I had to say about the field. I just I guess yeah. This was one of a few examples in the history of this podcast that I have gone back and re watched a movie and looked on it fonder than I did. When I I watched I did want to say I mean I had a fabulous time. When it was really great discussing movie it was pretty low on my list. Yes we're five options and this was probably fifth and I was like really we we we started using the pussycat looked at the thing full you done talk and we have to shaming aw Lord Bezzaz. She just got beamed up. She's yeah ship now. I'm glad we review this though and Yeah I think I'm glad we did it to those who requested it. I hope you enjoyed it but ladies does it past the Bechtel's. Oh I oh. I don't think no yes I think so. There's some really quirky grading passes of the desert just a new subsection of the test this. Is it a quirky pass but there's a lot of but yeah it's like you know. Sofi and Francis are talking. Rachel and Francis Talking Day passes in like like the first ten seconds and continues to do. I wouldn't eat a dog thing yet you their thing to say is. I liked representation of a a failed attempt to being a guys gal for a couple of months. I have also dive also tried to be a guy scalper span of months. It never ends well and I took uh-huh. Make me not like other girls. She's a nice girl like I'm not like the other girls. NC It'd be like Oh oh it would actually be really chill. If I hang out with my friend WHO's a girl again much much better it does does and shall. We just rating sure old so we've got him. Nipple scale zero to five nipples Apple's based on its representation treatment of women. I'd Sam between like a three and a three and a half on this where largely the movie is about a female friendship which as we've said before and we'll see again is not the focus of most movies so it's because most movies the focus is either a Hetero relationship between a man and a woman or it is two boys. Two boys are there and there have even friendship so nice to see fema friendship celebrated and as we've discussed in a way that is not like a perfect Mary sue kind of thing where it's just like..
"joe swartberg" Discussed on WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
"Why why would you do that? There's no real like you can do it. You you can do it so why not well I mean I guess in the long run that that prudence and practicality helps you beyond anything yeah but I mean it. It is nice to have more money and more time isn't it. It's nice now yeah but you know it's like if you grew up a poorer family could split a can of soup for two days and if not preferable not preferable survival you know that you won't die and if you make a feature for ten thousand dollars fifteen and then you make another one for twenty five and then you make one for a million yeah you feel like like you have everything in the world and you know I still know people that think you can't do this for that budget and it's like I did this for twenty thousand dollars but do you look back at those films and see a are there things that you know in the earlier movies where you're like. That was really a better movie than my million dollar movie no yeah I mean there's that kind of purity in there which is to say you're making them for no reason like you're not making them because you wanted to get into the industry. You're making them because you must. You want to get your friends together and just shoot something but have you like. When did that change for you? I mean like when did you. I mean you 'cause you're industry specific. I mean you are in a world of independent film. You're not you know gunning to make you know a big budget movies necessarily no not at the moment home to write them. Yeah I mean it just because I there's nothing else I could offer. It's not like I'm doing this as a hobby. What was the first feature about what were the decisions around of impolite yeah? It was inspired by gravity's Avenues Rainbow. Did you finish gravity's Rainbow Yeah and the second I put it down. I thought I don't think I'll grapple with this book or finished thinking about it until I spent a year making my own response to this really yeah I mean I couldn't get through it yeah. I feel bad about it. I changed everything for me. I can get through you know crying of lot forty nine the I get through vineland again through. I mean like I like him. There's a mode of his that you prefer you like. It's like it was so daunting and it was such a challenge and like you know I gotta stay focused for that long. Yes I mean it took me a whole summer to read but then it changed everything and I immediately knew that I should leave my job at Kim's and get my friends together and make this movie about rockets because just like because this sort of artistic response. The opening line is about missiles right. Yeah screaming comes across the sky last night's great now everybody that's what you miss when you didn't get to the end perfect last why like the summary Yeah there's a bunch of stuff in the middle of Oh scholastic but yeah I just was like as a sort of you know I mean it's basically an experimental film and it only really played at festivals with the word underground in the title but I just had to do each length. Yes well seventy three minutes. Yeah I just had to do it. I had to make my response to this piece of work that had influenced me so much and it was fun and then I got to go to festivals and I met tons of people that I had never known I knew Ju- ju- Joe At this point already sorry. I'm getting a real slipped. They're less this Jewish than Joe Swartberg. That's true. He's a great guy. I like we're totally supportive but I knew him already and then just going to festivals in meeting tons of other filmmakers I immediately wanted to make another movie so that I could be back at festivals meeting more filmmaker and what was the second movie. It's called the color wheel yeah..
"joe swartberg" Discussed on The Watch
"And if you worked on it at all, then you file arbitration, and you get credit, and it can be messy in good movies can come from that. That's not in itself in indictment, but the key to I'm not raising any warning flags. No be nobody's checking for that. But I'm just saying key to Kevin fi success. The marvel movies has been a clarity of vision. Tony stark kind of an asshole needs the suit to live. Right. Captain America the ultimate boy scout there's there's the log line. There's the one line you understand even something they we said before we saw it. They didn't need to make. Ant, man. Okay. Well, he's a thief and goofy stuff app. I mean, it's just it's easier. They communicate well when the concept. Yeah. Is a little farfetched. You gotta make it's for the diehards and for the Casuals in this one seems confused to me right now. And it's not being helped by at least from the trailer. Can't believe I'm saying this liberal arson not totally buying it yet. So I think that we talk about a lot on the Rajpal. We talked about this sort of weird charisma that movie stars have that people have spent a hundred years trying to define and it's not that I have any problem with Brie Larsen as an actress or as a person. But I don't know if she's a movie star so weird if you had problems with her as a person, but you know, brought them up. Now, we all what were usually say is like all I don't know if that director was ready to be moved into that huge blockbuster poll thing, and that that frequently will happen where somebody goes on makes a pretty cool smaller movie, and then they get scooped up by marvel or they scooped up by star were. You see and ask to like do a blockbuster. And in this case, I kind of just feel like Larssen was like five movies away from being either well-known enough or having like a big enough personality to do this. Well, right personality is key. And also a question of looking at what people were good at in their situation. Right. This is I'm not going to try to make an NBA analogy. But I feel like there's room for eight here. I'm not going to you should come in and fix this. Okay. But I mean, look at what she excelled at and they were often due to her intensity commitment to performance and in smaller situational emotional reactive. Roles from short-term twelve to room to just being really alive in a very small frame in like Joe Swartberg movie like digging for fire, which she's in one scene. And I think about it a lot of great scene. That's not necessarily the same skill set. And obviously her timetable was pushed up by winning the best actress Oscar as was her quote as was Marvel's interest in her because they were like she's a star. And we had an Oscar winner. I mean, let's go all in this could still work. Yeah. I mean, like, I think Paul Rudd was going to be right. The star of of a marvel movie either. And he it worked out fine there. It's just that. Now, they don't have to bad Thor movies to let Chris Hemsworth find the right tenor of the character thing that's gonna have to make this work pretty immediately. I think worrying about whether or not marvel has hit a rut is silly. Because obviously, it doesn't seem to matter. But I think it's worth keeping an eye on. They haven't interrupt they've announced Shang g master kung FU was the next movie, which actually Kinsley v sluggish and GM you wanted to know going to bring it up last week that news broke Yemen. Let's do it. No. I don't know what you're talking about. That's a character that I thought would be a Netflix show like that like. Like many characters like like, Luke cage as well. Shanxi came out of the seventies. When marvel is being a little bit more reactive to the culture, and Bruce Lee movies kung FU things were hit. Also, they were the spirit of the company, which was always the case they were paying some attention to representation, and they created their first Asian superhero who was Changji the master of fhu, and he's hung out with the defenders lowly been an avenger. But it is the kind of thing where it's really just an idea at this point..
"joe swartberg" Discussed on We Hate Movies
"The chocolate fountains used to be bigger yeah you're gonna be paying me if you in the golden corral or not they look at you hit me a cup of creamed corn to go oh cream on the road ho man creamed corn for later kids sit through a golden corral dinner and then not get to desserts you might be thinner than me or have you can get through to golden corral dinners and that shit you're paying slough so she gets to knock out they wind up going to the first victims house the parents are like these grieving sitcom actors the dad was definitely on seinfeld he played the dude with the dogs that elaine sleeps with its when you can't oh can't afford michael biehn this fella wow he's done this napkins perfect little dog pendants and then what is the woman woman i i've seen in a bunch of oh fuck she most recently i think she's one of an easy joe swartberg show okay oh i wouldn't know god what now we're down that's on netflix it's probably not network so i'll never know what's on them yep i never knew you know what she's in she's in that second we movie in the that's a good one the first one sucks the first ones off so the board strikes back is better witch that would be great in our board game movie we get the paranormal element the ouija doctor strange of the crew.