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Yokoji Zoom Dharma Talk #2

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Yokoji Zoom Dharma Talk #2

"Going to your voluntary incarceration. I'm not sure what core cording anyway today. I'M GONNA continue on for last week where I did. Not knowing his most intimate an idea brought up Actually from the moment con- see macropod tied to Liz. Ordinary mind is the way so I hope that's of interest and obviously with this This is this is the basis of all living and all things that occur are coming out this so remind his case. Nineteen Annesley ASS Nansen. What is the way Nancy Sinatra said ordinary minded? The way jokes you asked. Should I direct myself toward it on not nonsense? Said if you try to turn toward it you go against it jokes you asked if I do not try to turn towards it. How can I know that it is the way none center answered? The way does not belong to knowing or not knowing knowing is delusion not knowing is a blank consciousness when you've really reached the true way beyond all doubt you'll find it as fast and boundless as the Great Empty Sky. How can it be told to bow on the level of right and wrong? These words Joe Shoe was suddenly Moons Commentary Nansen was asked a question by Joshi. A nonsense base was shattered melted away. He could not justify himself even though Joe. Shosh come to realization a have to delve into this for another two years before even realize it fully the spring flowers the moon in autumn the cool breezes of Summa the winter snow if idle concerns do not cloud the mind. This is men's happiest season was kind of interesting. In the first thing that the spring flowers the moon in order to cool breezes summer cobras summa. The winter snows if idle concerns. Do not cloud the mind. This is madness. Feel sees. I'm one of the reasons that I like. This case is the. It's because of this verse of the Spring Flowers. The Moon in autumn two cool breeze of summer the winter snow. She's got nothing to do. Really with our own drama that That we tend to run in the ends in a it broadens out this life from you know what we are maneuverings that we do our intellect to a broader sense of being big connected with our environment nine this cases tolkien about things that generally can be put into into place whether you're in the country. Oh you're in. The city is not talking. Too much about specifics. On that level. Today's things that occur They are the bigger bigger part of our lives. Unless you really feel that the your life is limited by what you can thank you know. A lot of people is really not interested in that environment. Remember once I was coming up to forty three highway two forty-three from banning to Idyllwild and I was riding behind this This this big an add a family in an begun to this beautiful scenery to forty. Three's this scenery this obit Leica. Switzerland doesn't have to be licensed could be like Mountain Center Idyllwild but in the midst of this beautiful scenery. There were the people in the back watching a video. This is very much like practice you know is that we've got this is like non says at the end of this Cohen he said you know if if you really see it this way then you'll see that the you'll you'll mind oil your experience so be like the vast empty sky but we prefer something manageable like a video in the midst of this fastness that is occurring on a momentary basis. Now one of the things that makes things. Tricky for rose in In Buddhism is the fact that we use the word mind whereas in In in America in your mind basically the thought processes is hardly ever used as a holistic thing so when everything ordinary mind is the way usually Just my brain and how it functions when you look at it is that yes we have. We have full the we have seeing. We have the objects of seeing. That's not seem there and it's the same with hearing this note seem and a hearing something and the one he is on the process that goes on along with it and it's the same with smell and taste and then touch is like when you really a tasting something really delicious is it occupies the whole thing. You know you could say it's universal not way unless unless the beautiful thing now usually what what happens when when somebody says ordinary mind is the way is that well. Yeah I mean just the way. The way. Things are the way that I use my mind. I don't need to do anything if you know. And it's all here you know but unfortunately We do need to do something. Even though a Nansen a little bit lighter is saying you know you don't. You don't need to do something. A what we need to do is dissolve. They dominance Process because at the beginning of practice usually we want the will to be the way and quite frankly absolute upset when it does work in white that I wanted to look at this over. No that is I get. I get frustrated when I do say I do a bunch of work. It doesn't turn out in the white that I wanted to. Do you know this more needs to be done on top of it and the human beings we tend to nick's life up with how we think should be Roth than take it as it is and then work with that that basic reality that we have in a momentary basis and again you know in the poem. The Moon says at the end when idle concerns do not apply cloud the mind. This is persons greatest season. The best season idol concerns do not cloud the mind being directly. Involved with with whatever's going on on the momentary basis. It's kind of interesting you know is that I was realizing myself is I I don't I don't like to be mindful. I don't like to concentrate a like the mind just to work in. Its natural way is a heresy. No but I can say this a delayed but you know is that I don't like to do it a if I allow my mind to correspond to whatever it is going on. Then there's no problem now is in many ways when people come to practice. The one of the obvious things will go need to do that. Do I need to do a lot of sitting? Do I need to take on some of the Volunteer restrictions like the precepts. Do I need to say? Let's see do Ken. Hindu any take on the forms of obssession practice. And quite you know in many ways you say no. You don't need to your mind will naturally Correspond to that but these things really help us. As as human beings in terms of tending are inside an interaction to whatever is going on now. If we don't do that then the mind just tends to go into its own. The the thinking mind tends to go into his into its own world of what's comfortable. What he's practicing. What is not practice these lines than become very fixed now? Many people say well I would really like to take practice into into daily life. Assuming the practice looks like sub so many people say well you know I. I can't practice in this. Say something we've never done before but those that is one of the most amazing pots of practices. You find out main less last week. We told tobacco Not knowing his most intimate now bull the same time is that that's what scancen Entering something that's unknown because we begin to look at several criteria one of those his being successful another one is feeling successful and another one is how we looking out doing those things you know. Especially if you're doing something where you have to close on the perhaps enough fashionable in one way or another you know I mean this this many criteria that we add to doing something now. It's kind of interesting when you do something you don't know the mine tends to open up to it to get begin to allow all kinds of information come in from different areas. What usually what? We're not that not that practice Doenitz who tends to open up a female new euros here and then become a little bit more flexible in that way so with this ordinary minded. The way is that that I suspect is the unknown is not the yeah I just. I just didn't say things over and over is the the mind is vast inbound was right from the beginning so then it's important to To really allow that function and whatever it is that would do it again on a momentary basis. So many people again when they when they come into practice is the because we've been educated a certain way and agilis stick ca fashion than we to want to enter a way like separate from from who we are or religion or a set of practices. Is if it's something that you can put on and you can take off. It's kind of interest in. I added dream last night. And in this dream somebody asks me. You know what is the way so it must have been on my mind. I said well that's really not. That's really not the question it's like. How can you escape it? This is important to look at is that how can you escape? How can you get away from this? And it's kind of interesting. He came in a dream. You know and it's kind of interested. I answered that way and he has he. You know in that in that respect sometimes dreams very educational in that way. So what is the way you know? It's interesting it's an interesting questionable. Call onto ask oneself and I mean Cohen in terms of making that real making unevenness even in the midst of whatever. It is the this being done. What is the way? Is it something else on my away from that a mile away from seeing hearing tasting touching smelling thinking a May away from the one who sees the these is you know. I'm from that perspective than you can. See how how Joe how sorry how. Nansen says ordinary mind is the way in other words. You have all of the all of the tools to be completely who you are with everything that you have a right from. The beginning dislike If you ever see a child when they're when when that will save for the next I don't know twenty years. Maybe also is that. They're always practising being themselves in a move move in the hands. China's speak a I. You know like you a kit. Talk Baby Talk About practicing in speaking and sound in like humans like people around him practicing right from the beginning but his is not that it is following some curricula and this is really interested practices not curriculum. It is a rising on a momentary basis and practicing an ancient way but that ancient way is being. It's never been other the nets right from the beginning. It was like master. Rinse is said on. This is if you make work on the outside you'll being a blockhead and it's true it's not doing something. Alice just the same. If you're a Christian God is not on the outside looking through your eyes hearing through these years and I don't mean that in the Nuyorican as just a natural thing that he has been going on since beginning time. It's interesting if I jump around in this case. A little bit is says. Even though Joe Shoe has not has come to realize ation he will have to delve into it for the two years before he can realize it fully very easily. I can say Joe Shoe adds to delve into this for fifteen hundred years because practice doesn't add is probably about fifteen hundred years since he died. But that that clarification of what we are is ongoing. It's like one of the reasons that Buddhism is survived as a religious. It's not personal. And this this aspect to targeting all the one who's attained. The snus has been here. Since the the will came into being by Zumra she would say started off with the first eight man. You know he kinda got even say. It began with an eight to the fish could have been a micro. Everything's practice among the momentary basis. Now the Blida didn't want to become day fight. That was pretty obvious with its teachings. You take these things. I'm trying and if they. They work practiced is they. Don't throw away and this. This is beautiful now. Then people have taken on that position. I'll be awaken. Want to bus snus for from the time of shacking many two thousand five hundred years. I have away contoss an everyone. That's watching now. Can I don't think anyone's sleep? I can't see any of you sleep. Alami see about sixteen. It'd be in a way to thus we take it for a period of time and then he's passed along next generation takes everybody's practiced in the midst of this so from this perspective perspective. A you know then you begin to see what to Joe Shoe saying way where he says. Well how can I move to? Should I move up to the way or not and obviously any of the movements that we do from who we are doesn't really work? You know it might feel good to try different direction for a while. If those directions being used is very important to look you'll limitations explore those limitations see if fed mentally created? Or if they're really true that's a major potter practice stretch beyond that which she thinks you all they have to remember is a law a lot of movement towards something is that we're not quite comfortable in who we are what we had intensive our own gradients and I I you know I put it over and over is that I can't practice because I am filling the blank you know or have got this ingredient in my life. The Tam is very painful difficult for me. But you have to remember is the everybody has got ingredients. These challenges these difficulties. And it's important to lumine those really say am. I am I Hindered by those things. Remember there's a statement by a dog and around this which he said Who could who could be handed by knots? Inwood on nodes in bamboo. And if you see you know if you see a piece of wood you might see. There's not sit. Aye You hinted by now you may like it or you may not like it. But it's irrelevant. It doesn't Hindi you who you are so for. Each one of those again is parts of ourselves that we don't we don't like this. Another part of the Buddhist teach in to where he said that the aspect to duca suffering gull something not quite right and so we want something else. You WanNa be better that now. One of the most difficult things is just too is to really experience. Some feel who we are as human beings really experience that discount for whatever because in many ways that is the thing that helps is to really look at who we are and see that we all ended by those things but if we use displacement activity looking elsewhere and again this is moving towards the way on. What if we look at displacement Activity and safe chilly. Works will say is temporary. It doesn't really sort of change. That which he will make his even more comfortable with who we are as human beings. So this is this aspect. Should I move towards? The way are not again. Come back the one who sees cities is is through. This is this is the most important thing there is nothing lock in that and this is this is the mind of the Buddha or the awaken one that has been with us for two thousand five hundred years and we don't need to look like so awesome thing this is operating again on the momentary basis. So again look at that movement because it's really important. Okay so move on a little bit. He says so. If you try to tend towards it you go you go against it. Now is that true is necessary. I'm sort of answering myself because you're all amid so I've got that going for you right now that level but if I if I tend towards it I go against it again. This way the one who sees savings is the one who animates the meatball pitch. Is He a moment by moment from that perspective? How can you be something else? How can the way be in a different place or time if he moved towards? You move against it. There's no place you go nice kind of interesting if you if you look historically look at your online. Have you ever been anywhere but where you stand ever remember looking back? That was the my realizations when as a trainee was wait a minute why am I looking for something else is always been like? This is never been different. Ever in history does realizations with things disappear. Excetera does no context to judge oneself from there a cold but never has this been any other than the place that Wong standards. So it's kind of Nice you know going on again. This is with Two to adapt. S- I mean Joe. Shuster Young Josiah slice sequentially moved on until it began to teach round round about the time of sixty. This is why say in two years it will be fully realized but even for Joe Shoe that was fully realize for the Buddha. It was a fully realized. You have to remember there. Is that aspect of like the Japanese saying Japanese said check mini? Buddha is still practicing. Today that practice goes on this. You can never say it's complete zero. She in his Incandescent again which ended up being his last. Words played freely in Southfield Filling Samadi. Now play is kind of interesting thing because plays always knew. We don't play something else. It's it's a new so as a new area so Somali basically means the One oneness concentration. So concentrate on one thing if you sewing just so if you're watching a movie just be that moving. Just really let let that move. You let that animate. If you're playing you know just play whatever. It is in any way now with with this thing. Is that with practice than it naturally unfolds. You can't be anything other than you. Are this moment in time. It doesn't matter if you if you regard yourself to begin. A not mind is the same as one who is fully accomplished the end the practice but this that aspect to doubt. That is the problem that said when you again is if you realize what whatever is going on at this moment in time. You're not worried about what's going to happen later. That's relevant what is going on now is the most important thing that doesn't preclude planning but you know this thing you're not moving towards something else. This is how life is involved in this moment in time now and again. I'm just did a painting of this. I'm not address in it directly in many ways. Okay so if I do not turned toward it how can I know it is the way? That's that's a nice question. If I don't turn toolset. How do I know the way? And you can say that Everybody has to do that. You know it's like you have to go through your own internal journey to reach your own son of certainty and in one's own life you know that's why he says towards the end when you really reach the true way beyond all doubt beyond the Dow is in pole. 'cause a Lotta people will just take it while yet. This this is the way then. Doubts will continue to stolen this being. Do I really have it is. Is this truly the way? When it's been internalized The company anything else is nothing outside. That's what my Zim Bureau. She second part of that statement goes yours play freely itself from fulfilling Somali completion. A lack thereof is is of no concern completion electoral. Why do you want take Compla- when in life nothing really is fully complete carry unlimited living too so I may say I realized this much off spine realize this much? Enjoy that in. That's important joy this March but don't look tool to completion at the end. That'll take care of itself is like on any journey nice. Cliches light wrote the data. Jibs become a cliche. You know but in actuality. It's true if you're in the middle of project is this is actually what needs to be dealt with the end can be in the back of your mind but it doesn't need to dominate because all kinds of things will arise out of that if he's not Dow with its directly at this moment in time so you know Nansen Nansen is Is Very Clever. In how DI DIRECTLY WAY? A joke shoe This moment in time is still a lot of maneuvering. That's going on if I do. This then did that then raw than going. You know this is what life is right. Now what is it? You know opening up to that that question allowing information to come in. You're going to be an expert. You know in many ways when you become an Practice dies you know people. You know the I've got that down now. You know the systems that systems No more learning from this is what practice. What is it? That's really begins. Mind doesn't matter how much you feel you attained and it's not comparable with anybody else is the you know what is that now. What is life now in the same way? You know. It's just it's one of the Nice things about Zuma's I don't know what you know how things are being taped and it's just these little peop- you know these little on the screen so line one of you know learning and seeing how interaction can be developed than something you can come out and it will come half a nasty things not like trying to create some comes out. It will just from that candidate direction. Now again with these with these two ahdab slightest More than Light Lady Joe Chiro. He's been the full guy. Bor remotely Senses what's going on with the people around him. Pamelas for the people not to appear to be too good to be an adept and everything just to bring up the question. Everybody needs to know. Amax stinks Full potential whatever is. I know why they're doing it. And so let's just Beautiful thing when you can answer if you can ask a question for grade. That's that's including the whole community in that in that question and then. Joshi may know this but he really doesn't k. Does it does. It doesn't care if he if he has to be an adept is kind of interesting When when he laughed knots while Manson was dead by any state on three years just to do the funeral things for him but then he he went down pilgrimage for. I think it's about twentieth again. He was very patient under his thing. Was that if there is a a young girl. Four or five. I think it was seven. Who can teach me some Allah Empha- Chinese culture that was a hell of a statement and then if there is an old Amanda hundred that needs to be taught now teach him again. Alabama statement that for that culture at that time so he was very modest in who was then beyond that when he settled down eighty then he taught for another forty is and practice from the is but the thing was he didn't do it through fame. Ida which is kind of interesting because he went off into the mountains and Egypt practiced in a small temple and say one of the icons of the Golden Age of San He. He just was in this very small temple and apparently didn't repair so that they say that it was a whole wall miss on his on his temple and then somebody made him this. This really elegant hijacked said you know he had done and then he got just fussing one of the the piece of firewood onto the Janati had that was broken so that was the kind of person that the boss you know again. It's not something to aspire to. This is just. The canopus was each one of us. Has Our own wiser foibles in that way so anyway josue again. He's very transparent as a person in that way and he really didn't need to prove anything with people now is like mastodons said the cold the golden tongue Buddha okay so the way does not belong to knowing own not knowing now this is. This is kind of interesting. The way does not belong to knowing not no you can't really know it. Swanks is not objective. It's not a is not objective is not saying now. There's another pox. This though is that the would know in English comes from an Indo European which goes through knows this which means more knowing in one's on spotty and then to the Not Pop pressure so that knowing really has roots in direct experience not knowing knowing as an object. It's not it's knowing as feeling once bones just in the same way you know. If you play spoiler especially fast-moving spoil Think about it's gotta be embodied otherwise the Bulls loss. The other side has is instinctive. That's why this What is it they will call on old? What's often known is Mondo direct expert expression with with somebody else who is so important. Because you just instinctively respondent if it's gotTa be if he's GonNa go through had the Nestle problem Intensive like if I'm doing dokes that if somebody's pauses Head moves to one side Isley. His is big bonded but it's not just extinct. Just trust you stink bomb. It comes out usually the state now. The reason that that sewing poem is to move away from a thought based system to experienced system which is which is most important. Is that experience? Because we're really good at Beds we are so good. We can split atoms but they instinctive pot is that well is this right. Is this wrong in a rather than just instinctively didn't it? That's through practice doing something over and over again until it really sinks part of your own you know body mind such okay and then when we do this we do this. I think we talked about. Not Knowing is what here is can a nice goes not knowing blend consciousness again. This is human beings is the quite often is if somebody says not knowing his most intimate for instance than we'll try blind council you know that's what he's saying this is not just blanking out is more latency. Ode Potential knows like this this this moment in time but it's open we don't have to go down the same all prescribed ways the we've always done and that's as open as the vast sky that's the beauty of it best each moment in time as what creativity comes from again is if we're just you know country music and we'd play countries if the rest of our lives all you will open that new thought to include other aspects to that may bring in some classical aspects be able to recognize though state and then beyond that see just straightforward expression. Comes OUT AGAIN? This is practices endless in that way and so again. It's not just like some people again is will judge their own practice in terms of how much they think. And it's in many ways. It's ridiculous is the minds of the brain's thing to think that's what it does to think but what begins to happen in practices that you realize the thought is just a part of the whole skein and that you may be thinking but then something occurs. The mine will naturally concentrate. Whatever it is that this is what practice still do. It doesn't need to be dominated. I thought just encapsulate the head of making a prisoner around it simply because little bit more comfortable lives noticed in yesterday we run out of firewood. for Mavis. The realized that it needed to be done. But I really didn't want to be working with the chainsaw. This lie as you go through the Motley of the mind Shayne SAR but then you know just allowing the mind just to go to chainsaw mine which is body to you know just do that. Just follow the the the basic directions that have been embodied the end that takes care of itself and then enjoyment comes that is bought. I know in the past what would happen. Is that mind what all of this is? Not What a person like me should be doing would enter in and then problems would occur from that perspective rather than just allowing the mind to naturally correspond spun to whatever is directly in front and the mind. Does this beautifully? We don't need to be specialists in one or two things. The mind will take him whatever. And that's why it's so important to try entrance. Fees not comfortable for who she millions. I think I've I've sort of gone through the the main part of the column. I'm may be mentioned. A bit of Mu Months. Humor Goes Nansen was asked a question. By Joe Shoe and Manson's base was shattered melted away. Basically if you talk about something like this there's no ground this no graham the way is as it is you come. Put it into a me in any way that where he said Knowing his delusion in this in this case is the is delusion not in a bad way is that when we reflect on our lives. It's something we have to do in other words. Solution is to split the line so when I when I asked myself that question what is the way than this? Like maybe a vision of what away? It's but then by direct experience that is closed and that's direct experience but delusion is what we do as human beings to look at and she useful you know like I often say delusion is highly under rated is that we don't look at how we tend to push it on one side will know. How does this work? I mean just look at society now is that we tend to look at the age rather than the reality of something and has so much power without power has to be looked at otherwise. We're at the effective. We don't look at that image. You know but the practice really absences to penetrate through all image and come to the basic reality. It doesn't mean the images in useful but don't let it the the main thing because like anything else like in our society things fall away trouble happens. People get upset because they believed in image so for so long so yeah used. The image is the full at the same time. Always know the basis you'll weigh and how that functions in terms of one's life there's more to be said but I think you know right now this will go to questions than answers on get staffed the text of. She's a genius. I'm not a genius but I am GonNa do some Saints here all right so to ask a question. We have two functions available. You can raise your hand which I believe you can access by hovering over your name. Participants list clicking on Moore and there's an option there I think also possibly at the bottom of your screen there might be an option To raise your hand. If you're using a phone or tablet there she three dots you can click on that and there's raise your hand and we also have the chat function available so you can type your question. It will probably go to everyone but we can also tension Ralph. She will see the question there. We can answer your question that way. So I'M GONNA change you to speaker mode yes so that. Whoever's asking the question on you okay so once? I didn't see any hands up. Yeah come on also. Hey Thank you David Nas. Give me one second. I'm GonNa David yet but I can carry on yet. I was just wondering Bob. The the difference between say instincts responded from instinct Ambien impulsive because he had her speaking from my own experience. Sometimes I think I'm just responding from instinct baby yet. I mean that's one thing you know is is a major thing with with the instinct intuition Into trusted Lilibet Mall and part of that is is dealing with the movement away from who we are. That's maybe the biggest Pau. What we feel is true in our bodies true instinct. So you gotTA learn to You. Know to to sort of train yourself in that way and see. What is you know saying impulsive action? A what's something that you really feel is true in your body that takes some work you know. One of the things that happened to me was in I was very intuitive. Until you know say around two thousand and then something happened in my own life My instinct betrayed me. Basically and so. What happened then. There was a period of about ten years back. I was relying more facts committed and then and then eventually the those two aspects really started the unified and then the instinct came back up again. You know so pod. It was seeing what was around me and then and then coming what I really felt my bones and making sure that it wasn't what I wanted to see the instinct to you know I mean I don't if you've done any studying now until now well that's another thing is that you know an answer. Quite often will come up instinctively for you which you say. I not so dealing with people on the outside he you know and then you might find. You had come in to to mess with Zach. Quite often cones. The instinctive answers is the one that really is true. So part of it again is is just imminent. That process say what is a is just impulsive action. What really feels true view in you bones? That takes a little bit of work. You know like I was saying ten years. It doesn't happen overnight. Yeah thanks we. Just get some text back. Sorry that could help you much though. No no way we talking from you. Lovable little pull today. Good pay on. Jindo has asked a question. Can you say anything about how knowing is delusion? Not Knowing? His unconsciousness might relate to what we as a society. You're going through in terms of knowing and not knowing what we are facing with a tangent. Now she can put Jindo Dot Com Agenda Dude over here very front and center right on needing you. Hello Okay Agenda so I got. I got the question So yeah I mean we Some somewhat about it last you know last week. I'm an obviously we don't know what's going to happen. And how how? Things are going to affect his book. But then there's the aspect of knowing the The this important in terms of We'll get through it one way or another and then there's all obviously in that. Is that this. That's that's more sort of with faith to faith in the sentence the you know we've been through these things before we'll come through. Magadan now obviously going to say in terms of their SORTA to different levels that to sort of like individual a for my own awesome feelings as I go through life doing things and then there's also interacting with other people in sort of seeing other people in what they're grabbing onto in terms of what they know that. They think they know that isn't really may be true. Or what they don't know in feeling more despair of hopefulness about it being open. What kind of things would be skillful ways to Kinda help? Ease someone else's anxiety or suffering on when they're wrestling maybe a little more Struggling a bit more with knowing not knowing airlines like how can we be yeah? That's that's A. That's a very broad question. Now that's many many different kinds of people. The main thing is to to recognize. Somebody's coming from that position. It's not wrong but but there are the views it's like through through practice. One thing that that is to me instead life tend to take care of itself capable Statement Sucks because you want to be in control in one way or another but the for me the most important thing is to is is living occurs now and those things that I fear in the future that they're not here right now. That does that doesn't mean that. I'm trying to say that those things are not gonNA record. They may or may not but was small more employees. How do I lead must quality of living right now you know? Bring that out to to the full front and just know that it's a you know we will come through this in one way or another. You know alive or dead in. And it's not just about me. I mean that's one of the beauties about this. The condemning is is bringing back that that sense that we're in this together you know we hear that over and over but is you know. Do we really feel. Is that really true? You know I feel it you know. And this. This is obviously the ways that we can benefit of Through Hygiene Volun- voluntary incarceration right now seems amusing to me. You know is that will really help in the people around us but it is unknown. How come you know but I like? I like the odds. Gay Mr Concentrate on this mall. Attend to enjoy alive more On the future however negatively content now is the Myo Mental Health Service through that. But it doesn't help the outcome though that one so intensive tolkien with table at Trying to bring a walk will help them as a human bid and I've got to find out what that starting places sh but it's kind of interesting you know even with delusion it can. It can help people like I was talking with somebody and they were talking about this great conspiracy theory where the aliens were. GonNa come in and help you know. They're going to unite issued And Et CETERA. And it really realize this was really help in this person he knows and so I couldn't really say much is saying well. You know when this has happened a few times where it house naturally happened are you. GonNa. You'RE GONNA modify your view. You know that's all. I could really say that I didn't want to take it away. 'cause that could've done some really negative for for own position. Anything could happen. I mean the aliens could come down. You Know Cure. Everybody may turn into a thing. That's possible it's possible but the odds against it happened in very low. You know what usually happens in history is the fact Some people die. Some people love life goes on but the beauty of what we have is as human beings to see hear taste. Smell thing dies in amazing gift and it's important to hold onto that because that was a nice a maze. You know. Most people won't take because everybody has nothing special about it anymore. But if you find a good way Talladega collect pass it on 'cause I think maybe it's just it says right there maybe from listening to you. It seems clear that knowing narrowing is delusion to think that you know the answer to problem is this is the right thing. That's going to work for every person. Thinking is a delusion in that if you keep it not knowing consciousness blank. It's like open to be written on you. Know it's yeah intensive latency rather than blanket out. Thanks is just how. How is that being paige? An Banal to move in many in many directions has needed. You know rather than trying to hold onto. Nothing's really happening hero. Trying to blend countless thoughts might take me into my darkness is more known this is. This is the ground. Let's stop for build instructions from this. Hey Yeah we have time for one more and are on year as her hands. Both readers one raised on your unseating. You okay put it on the screen she knows. Are you on your go Mojo? Yes I did. I'm styling. My question is not knowing is kind of our our our first line of of defense. Oftentimes what I encounter is well. My question is our feelings. A legitimate avenue Are they a Delete the wrong direction or will they help us In understanding the way in our connectivity with other people our thank individually you know we we have to. Yeah I mean for me feelings. The Wall they are. Sometimes it's really good information and I've gotTA stock from that perspective you know to me is to icon account allowed that to be the groundwork but it's just inflammation it. It's uncomfortable on. I really field able all over the world. You know those. Those are very real Aspects but the other aspect is we'll all come through this you know and I know so the the again the important thing is how do we mitigate the neck negative effects in whatever way that we can As as we move forward this moment in time feelings to really pull you know. That's what we're failing that phone. Yeah 'cause the same the same time that that is embraced by not knowing. We don't know the outcome. You know the outcome on knowing even if it's a bowl snow in can be very helpful can help us get through. But if that doesn't turn now and usually we suffered the end that I saw. I know that if if I think he's going to turn out so that when a dozen then there's a lot of you know question the next to go law. Why didn't it turned out that way? But if if it's an old consist of them actively involved in the open system trying things out until until some then comes through than you know. I'm more flexible with a whatever turns out the other end and that she this. This tons of knowledge is tons of knowledge. Let me just look with the doctors. And the the healthcare professionals and all of the people in various ways the benefits in society all of these people that are risking the lives now with the knowledge that they have and applying that knowledge and extending into the unknown through the gaining more knowledge from now on the amazing thing is the thing that we usually thanks will not knowing is being unresponsive. Not taking on the ability to respond to things. It's just like blanket down and then knowledge is usually highly rated sense. We use that knowledge in is going to be a sad outcome but both those things interact is. An interaction is like for me. When I'm doing something never done before than that's engaged. I find out in a game knowledge through that but always at the bottom is the unknown with nine. Miami rose she you know where he said. somebody somebody said the sentence really doing well and he said. I don't know what I'm doing. That's why the center is doing so well. He didn't know what he was doing. But he was responding to whatever's occurring each event each thing just in the same way Statement of Lumens. Somebody asked him. What was the lifetime teaching of the Buddha? He said one teaching in response. That's all it is when it when it comes down to okay thank you. Yeah I mean the not nothing exactly. I think he's very powerful. You know nothing is. Nothing is so powerful you know again. Not set outcomes comes. I guess I'm just running into a lot of emotion in between not knowing and knowing I'm not not myself but with other people now now remember emotion means simply movement from the senator. Yeah inky that emotional the energy here an experience it here and then it becomes easy to deal with people out. There is no bad issued. What is going on but this thing you can do with it. That and that's what interests me is how can you? That's what we find out individually. Thank you I guess. I guess I meant to wrap up now so again. I'm really glad that you're well safe. And you know I I really look forward to seeing you on the other end in this please. Enjoyable of our own tree. Quarantines away up. Now we're still okay steph steps to do some stuff so just try and get off screen. You're getting wiggling in high school on hand waves so will be back Next weekend next Sunday at eleven thirty If you have any questions you can still email them to us as EMC seat dot org definitely let us know how your experience was if we can improve on anything We're happy to try when around. This is everyone who's here. This is what we've been this command central right now residents hasn't looking mine panacea wing now. We're getting ready to have some lunch and so join us. Virtually Antonelli look forward to seeing you all next week. So bye bye.

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What if a dragon got stuck in time? (w/ Deepti & Josh)

What If World - Stories for Kids

19:24 min | 5 months ago

What if a dragon got stuck in time? (w/ Deepti & Josh)

"What if we're is supported by our sponsors via listeners like you on Patriae on. GROWNUPS, have you ever found yourself stuck in a house because you already dragon and you're too big to get out track next aren't we supposed to be telling them about anchor it's called a segue Mr, Eric? Sorry. Carry on I. Want to do make Bod cast a vote all the places I got stuck and anchor was the easiest way Oh. Yeah. It's free to creation tool at you record at it from your phone or computer unless. You have eaten them sure and they go will distributor podcast far and wide to spotify apple podcasts and wherever dragons are stuck places, and you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. Yes. Increase your dragon or from home it's everything you need to make gas in one place, download the free anchor or go to anchor DOT FM to get started them. Rocco Max commands it to you. You don't need to tell them that you're. Good. A. Word if kids. Cash. A. Live travel backing saw. Welcome to. Sales. There folks and welcome back to what if world the show where your questions and ideas inspire off the stories I'm Mr Eric your host nine the dog here to shout out Linsey who loves pretending to be all the what if we're characters plus his little sister Lennon I also got a shout for Jewish s who likes elephants and for page and Olivia, and I am advocacy grumbler here with JFK at where shouting out siblings from Brighton Queensland Australia I there's Carris she. Loves Animals and craft. Then, there's. Samuel who also loves animals as well as riding his scooter and I'm the doughnut from episode ninety two I'd like to shoutout are for his eleven years old and he likes to listen with his Fred's roof Ed is now we're going to meet our special guests, deep DASGUPTA and Jewish Gupta Pontius. I. Here visiting us from the PODCAST Joschka Saas Right. Yes. Well we're going to learn a lot more after the story, but can you tell us just a little bit about it right now give everyone a sneak peek. Basically what we do in our podcast, you take your story starter. What? If? Questions? It's like, who wear? What are they doing? It could be a pencil where on top of a chair. Doing it's lying they're. Very good description Joe's and I know the super part of your everyday life because you are multi. But your podcast is in Hindi Right. That's so cool and you speak English Hindi and also are aren't you learning third language? Is that true? Yeah. I'm learning, Spanish? Oh my goodness. It's so good that you're learning at your age because you're going to be like this master of all these languages. We could go on and on. I really WANNA. Get a what if question from you to get us into our story My question was what I got sucked into one world. Excellence I, am happy to have you there. We're going to add on one question from a listener named heavy. Hi, my name is Henry I like pogs my question is what is dragged on mascot stuck in time by. Who? Has never been stuck there before. In, stuffed in buildings. Yes exactly. Mostly stuck in buildings. So let's find out what if Josh got sucked into what if world and what if draco Max got stuck in? And we have like a little. Character from our own podcast or you do then. I is going to be joining us when we get to what if world's his name is bogeyman. For him he thinks his boogers that he can shoot avenue. Are Awesome? But everybody else thinks they're gross. Oh yes. Yes he's. He's very proud. Yeah. Booker Proud I dig that I mean I also don't want to really dig into that. A little sticky. But. It's one of the world's and we're GONNA. We're GONNA, find out more about booger man and DRACO. Max. And you starting after quick break. Parents did you know you can enjoy the magic of Disney music anytime anywhere Disney hits playlist features all of your favorite Disney songs simply say Alexa play Disney hits or Stream Disney heads on your favorite music service and let the magic of Disney. Bring a smile to your face and warm your heart. What's your favorite Song Papa Lou I really liked that I. Just can't wait to be king one I'm afraid you're going to have to keep weight and honey All your favorite one. I liked that one that goes be Odi and the beast I. Loved that dog to. Wait am I supposed to be the beast? Disney hits the happiest to playlist. Donna I mean I'm not even that Harry. How do we gotta get back to the store by table matters are improving? Once upon a time, our friend Josh got sucked right into what if world? and. When he landed on a Grassy Hill, there was sitting next to him none other than Fred the dog what are you doing here? What are you doing here and is the booger sticky partisan over there? Joe Shoe thought you could just escape our world and good what is world and I will leave you alone. No. Sir. So I gather that your name is Josh. Yeah. My name is Fred that. I'M A PUG my tongue's alot too long for my mouth as why I of talk a little unusual to some people. But it's just who I am. You know what I mean Yeah Hey Fred you like boogers. Burgers are either awesome. If you ever need some extra burgers, just come and find me well, you know what? We might actually need Yoga's right now booger man. Because my friend, draco Max is stuck in a clock tower nearby and we gotta get over to him fast something weird is going on you think maybe you could like slick the road with your Burger powers or we could slide down like sledding bogus leading owes sure Jewish are you ready to slide on my burgers? Sh if you don't WANNA slide on the book and you could always relied on my dirty tongue. Tongue off. All My Burgers I. Let go and Josh Started Surfing on Fred's dirty tongue while Fred was serving down a slide. Luger's all the way down this Grassy Hill. Down to the very bottom where they reached a towering clock and in that Tower of course was draco. Max. Oh my goodness, who are you josh? Boogeyman. Hello. Nice to meet you. I am draco Max, and I happen to be stuck in a our. Now what makes this tower especially special is that it is a time tower and being stuck in a time tower. I have come to understand means that every once in a while I forget what just happened a few minutes ago. Oh That's an interesting problem. I've never had that problem. Yeah. You Get up in a clock Khoury. You mostly won't go through Thai over and over and over and over and over who's going through time over and over and over and over who are you This is what I'm talking about. It's like a dirty seconds to a minute whatever is narrative convenient. That's when suddenly he forgets things. Well, that's quite a problem. Any. Important things then you probably won't know how the story thing will end. I. Am in a story. That's cool. Maybe if I look up high enough, I can see the storytellers. No, that's mostly sky. Oh. IS THAT MR? Eric. No that's a bird. Hi I'm draco Max. Who are you again? Okay. You too. We gotta work really quickly. UK Josh, do you think there's any way that we could get a giant dragon out of a small tower go inside it and booger man could the faces, slippery boogers and graph Mexico escape Oh. Now you want my burgers earlier, you didn't want slide on my burgers and now you want my burgers to help your draco Max. Yeah. No I did just I don't those buggers. Under Southie said but overall I give them a B. Plus. Dog GonNa be my new best friend. Oh. Thank you so much. Okay. Well, let's go on right on in and Fred the dog stretched out his tongue. Open the door to the clock tower they stepped in they saw gears turning the gears seem stuck. quake. Second. These years aren't just duck on draco Max. They're stuck with something very sticky something dried up and crusty Josh. Do you know this is I think it's From. I've never been what the world I'll never met fred the dog and draco Max. Burgers, Gatty are you guys know you could have gotten here? Soothe her well I don't know what you're talking about. Oh. Wait a second weds tongue never lies and Fred walked over to booger man curry. We were. But let me see if we are truly friend or if you are a fibber and then Fred went over to the dried up crusty boogers in the clock tower and These are the same burgers. I'm going to turn on my book jets and fly out of here. I jut so stuck he'd already filled the inside of this clock tower with so much goop and glory there was nowhere for him to win new liver. Hello is what inside this clock tower? My Name's DRACO maxine I'm stuck in here. Okay. Just don't talk and we'll sort this thing out. Okay. Can I say okay or is that? Does that count as talking? No stop telling from now on. Okay or Josh we gotta figure out what to do with this for Boogeyman or maybe we should focus on getting draco Max out of the tower. I don't know I think as you get out of here, heels prepared to fire his booker jet on his hand. All Gay and Fred scooped up Josh with a big pain dewey protective tongue and started dragging them outside unless of course, Borger man is there some other reason we know that you stuck him in this tower was strictly for being bad purposes well. And I met in the middle of Jewish. And would've world one night, and then he made fun of my burgers and I got really mad and I just thought I had to teach him a lesson. So I found him in this tower and I just pushed. On Him and then we got stuck and I got scared and ran back to George is up wages, and now than I am stuck here, I'm not sure that I am ready to get three part of the thing about being dragon is you just keep getting bigger you keep growing up and when you get bigger people ask more and more of you. Maybe, it's better to just stay exactly as I am. You know there is upside to like not reliving the same minutes of your life. Really I cannot think of a single one. Well, first of all, you don't have keep reliving everything that happened. You don't forget things over and over and over, and you can have fun. But if you didn't have fun for the last minute, just keep. Relive. It's no fun. What's the point? My goodness I forgot who were in the very middle of that monologue, but it still managed to move my dragon heart. You know what I think growing up could be just. Maybe even Then okay as long as I have good friends like you and you and you all of whom I forget I'm not your friend I put you in this tower with my burgers that's right booger man and now at time for Yuda. Put Him the only thing that can unstick a dried up all burger is a fresh way You know draco Max I didn't know about this that you you're growing up and and you're feeling all these feelings about people asking you all these things and I thought you were just making fun of me, but I never thought to ask you how what your life is. So I'm glad to know it on. Sorry I stuck you with my burgers. So I am sorry if I did something bad to you person who I don't remember Ooh let me just put my burgers on. started. Lashing some really gross stuff everywhere I mean folks consider yourselves lucky that you were listening to a podcast and not actually seeing this 'cause. I eat stuff I find off the ground with this is too much even for me and draco Max started squirming. And writhing his way. Right out of the clock tower. I am three I. Remember everything from the past one minutes twenty. One well, it was one minute times twenty times. Equals. Okay. So maybe I forgot some Matt along the way. The End. Was Fun. Judge use some really great jokes in our podcast. What I liked doing is having in that in that in characteristic. It's fun with him because we truly get lost in the world of the story and we don't know what's going to happen next. So we have to listen to each other very carefully. Yeah and you you're such a good job of finding. I'm creating a moral and the story of for kids to kind of know and we have we have like, sometimes it is immoral. Hilarious. I should admit to the folks at home that I have listened to a few episodes of Jewish gay south even though I do not understand Hindi. The early episodes de some translations and some nudges pronunciation thing is. Beginning to learn. Hindi. So I have a lot of English. Time I came over and over and learn more and more, and that's also part of the learning for us. That's part of journey minor and he with him and that's part of the kids to know it's okay not to know. To ask and say, Oh, I don't know what that is and to find the answers to those questions. Yeah. I love what Josh Koskoff is doing for just putting more Hindi out there. There's really not a lot of storytelling podcasts especially not for kids. Yeah. Even if you're at all curious or you know a little bit or you want to brush up or even just a native speaker, I really encourage you to check out their show and they can find that anywhere, right? Yes it's on apple podcast Google podcast. So if you go to Jewish Gayssot Dot pod bean dot com, that's where our podcast encourage you to listen to like the first episode. Him also check out one of the recent ones because you see how well it's not just because Josh is getting older, but also because he's practicing and playing with this language thank you both so much for coming on what if we're all this was like super duper easy and funds. So we should get some type that would be awesome. Thank you for having us. Thank you for inviting us to make stories. It's kind of incredible. We're starstruck that. Yeah I am no longer doing the show out of a closet, which is the only reason. I have guests episodes now. But. I started. It literally like with a blanket over my head, and now I'm just in an office so. I very very flattered. Thank you. We'll see you next time. Okay. All right. Thank you. Bye Bye. Joe Sh and Henry I. Hope you enjoyed your story looks at home. I've got some really exciting news to share what if world is now on Geo Sava India's top music streaming podcasting. APP with over one hundred, million listeners. It's great to know that kids in families all over the world will be sharing their imagination with us and with great shows like Joe. You can hear all of what if world on Josvani for free and please give us nice little heart. In the APP, when you do I'll leave link in the show notes or you can just search for Gio savant in the APP store that's J. I o s a VN, and if you'd like at episodes released early with a better chance of getting your question Hansard please check us out at patriotic dot com slash what if world I'd like to thank Carreno Keith my co Creator Craig Martensson. Var themes. All you kids at home who know that growing up can be better than okay. Until we meet again, keep wondering.

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107 - Learning To Be Silent

Secular Buddhism

24:30 min | 1 year ago

107 - Learning To Be Silent

"Hello and welcome to another episode of the secular buddhism podcast. This is episode number one hundred seven. I am your host to know a rochetta. Today i am going to share a few more zenko on's and talk about what they mean for me as always keep in mind. You don't need to use what you learn from buddhism to be a buddhist. You can use it to learn to be a better. Whatever you already are earlier this week. I had an experience with one of our neighbors so we live in mexico now and we live in a gated community and inside of the little complex of homes there about thirty homes here <hes> we're lucky that there are a lot of kids and they ride their bikes and it's been great for for us to have our kids outside playing and making friends and <hes> learning spanish through playing and interacting with the other kids well. One of the kids was riding by on his bicycle and his steering wheel or the the handlebars were loose so i asked him if he wanted me to adjust them to tighten them and he said yes. I would love that so he came over and they're in our little garage kind of area. I took out my tools and i have a lot of tools that i brought down with me that are tools that i use specifically for maintaining my para motor so i took out some of the tools from this little bag i adjusted his steering wheel or i'm sorry his handlebars and he said thank you very much and then over the course of the next ten to fifteen minutes he kept coming back and asking me to adjust his the pegs to tighten the chain to adjust the brakes breaks to tweak little things on his bike and i kept adjusting everything for him. I adjusted the height of the seat so when all of this was done on and his bike was just the way he wanted it. He said thank you so much. He said i've never met someone who is such an expert mechanic and i laughed and and i said i'm not an expert mechanic but i can fix bikes and that was the end of that and he left and was riding his bike and i started thinking how funny that he would consider me an expert mechanic because one of the things i've always been known for in my circle of friends is the opposite not being mechanically inclined and i have to get help from people to do anything that's mechanical now. If it's on a computer yeah i'm the one that they go to i._t. And tech stuff that's that's something that i'm good at but when it's <hes> mechanical or just general repairs around the house that's not me it's never urban me <hes> now i must say that that's changed a lot since i got into para motoring because i have become more mechanical mechanically inclined to maintain gene and tinker with the motor that i used to fly and that's why i even have the tools to be able to help me side with his bicycle so <music> but what i thought was funny about that whole interaction. I thought you know the rest of his life. You'll have this memory of a neighbor this american guy who was an expert mechanic who fix mike and there's a new image in this kid's head of someone. That's not a lot of ways. It's not a real. It's not an accurate accurate image and it made me think of interactions that i've had in my life and my youth with people somebody a one time interaction or limited interactions with someone and boom. I established in that moment an image of who that person was or something that they were known for or something they were good at or maybe something that they were not get at and that's it and that's the accurate picture in my head of that person and then i started thinking how many of those pictures teachers were entirely off the mark. I'm thinking not just the images the inaccurate images of someone being better than they are at something but also the the reverse verse right somebody who maybe one or two limited interactions and i thought oh that's a really mean person or or that that guy is <hes> awful or rude food or whatever it is and to <hes> you know had i known or had more interaction to realize how off my assessment or my image was of that person and i'm sure that happens to us all the time whether it's it's images or assessments that were making of other people or situations in life or or backwards at other other people are making of us. Imagine how many people out there have such a neroni as mental picture of who i am because they they do it based off of limited interactions. The podcast is a good example right. Anyone who has interactions with me through the podcast only knows that side of me hasn't seen me in other aspects of my life and how i am and i thought about this when we did our first nor second trip to uganda one of the participants of the of the of the trip that we did in africa mentioned once we were there in person how different was to see me in person into into here my sense of humor. I have a very dry. I think is the word of dry sense of humor <hes> but i very much have a sense of humor and i'm always <hes> weedy about things and that was a side that doesn't come out a lot in the podcast ask because it doesn't lend itself to that but interacting personnel like wow. I didn't know this about you. That's a it's funny to see the site of you and that's how we all are right. We all have certain sides about us that we present in different contexts how we are school how we are at work. You know somebody who only knows you at work and then later sees you at the park. I don't know in a family setting or you know the you that you are when things are going going well in the you that you are when you're scared and you're you're panicked. I experienced first time with a cousin and i i know my cousins really well. We grew up together her and <hes> this particular cousin is terrified of what will everything but we were out writing. <hes> you know the the banana china that they pull you behind on a boat when you go to the beach we were on one of those and she's just deathly afraid of sharks and it was her and her husband and then my brother my twin brother and i and and probably a few more people can't remember who else was was there but we were writing the banana and they ride those in a way where at some point they try make you flip and that's exactly what happened out in the ocean. We rocked the banana and the n._f._l. Or tipped to the side and then we were in the water and man there was this other than i had never seen before and i essentially grew up with her and here we are as as adults and she is just you know it's all out of fear due to <hes> in her moment of fears you screaming at us and screaming her husband and this is all your fault is is very interesting. It is comical so we were laughing and trying to not laugh but because we could tell she was deathly afraid that a shark was <unk> getter but anyway what i'm getting at is the person that and she was under extreme fear is absolutely not the person that she is when she's not in fear and i don't think it's fair to paint one picture of someone and say oh oh that's who they are. It's like well. That's who they are in what context so with that as the background of my experience this week of someone calling me an expert mechanic which i thought was kind of comical. I wanted to share a few more zen cohen's and one of the ones i wanna share is called. Hold joe suzanne so this is how it goes joe shoe began the study of zen when he was sixty years old and continued until he was eighty when he realized zen he taught from the age of eighty until he was one hundred and twenty a student once asked him. If i haven't anything in mind what shall i do. Joel replied throw it out but if i haven't anything how can i throw it out continued the questioner. Well said joe shoot do than carry it out and that's it. That's the end of that cohen. That's one that i enjoy it alludes to what we talk about with the co on empty empty your teacup the idea of getting rid of of the concepts and the the beliefs and the ideas in our mind that may be blinding us or preventing who knows from seeing reality a little bit more clearly and in this case what i like about joshua's response saying throw it out and and someone hussein will there's nothing there in the first place. How do i throw it out. <hes> a says oh well in that case carry it out to me that it's too important messages. They're one one throw in something out as a little bit more aggressive than kindly carrying it out and to me that's an invitation of of sane will if i can't get rid of a concept that's in my mind. How can i carry it out rather than aggressively throw it out. Sometimes that may mean study more the topic more <hes> read more understand it more than my view starts to shift because <hes> i carry it out by opening up in a kinder way than than being aggressive. That's one way that i sometimes interpreted but the other way that i interpret this cohen is that he doesn't give up the central message if getting rid of it and to me <music> that is important to understand because the person hussein will if i don't have anything in my mind what shall i do what josias trying to tell him as you. You have something in your mind that if i don't have anything in my mind that is something in your mind so again it's the same answer in different words as a way of telling this this this questioner that but you do have something in your mind is as long as you're asking that question than you have that idea in your mind or like <unk> hana's talked about with the concept of nothing right here. I have nothing in my mind will he would say well is nothing something and if we analyze that we understand that yes nothing is something is to have the idea in my head of what nothing is is something the and that is something that you can throw out or you can carry it out so <hes> for me. This cohen is a constant invitation to carry out whatever thought i have in my head <hes> idea adia or belief. I have in my mind. Even if that is the idea of nothingness and i think that's a really important one. We're talking about buddhist concepts because there are big concepts in buddhism like the idea of emptiness or like the idea of nothingness in the moment. I have an idea of what nothingness is. I've just given it another idea. Some constantly battling with you know the emptying of the mind versus the thought of emptying the mind because those are different things in the thought of emptying the mind is still a thought and there we are stuck in this situation that is kind of a spiral right so you may be listening thinking oh well what is the point and the answer is well the same thing as justice <unk>. Throw it out and if you're in if you really honestly think but there's nothing to throw throw out then take his second hanser then carry it out and i'll leave you with that. That's the end of of that cohen and that's a fun one to to work with and i thought thought that related in some ways to i was <hes> sharing this week with the interaction i had with our neighbor who thought i am mechanical expert and for me to throw things out when i when i'm thinking of it in that context i like to imagine what are the views are the beliefs that i have everyone around me perhaps more burley the ones that are closer to me to not just the the neighbor that i occasionally interact with. I mean i don't know anything about that. Person based on a couple of interaction so i definitely want to throw out any mental picture that i may have there but we we do this with our closest people right our spouse our kids our parents siblings and we have this ideal. This is how they are and joseph would say throw it out and if you can't throw it out carry it out to me. That's an invitation to stay open to not get caught up in attaching to the the story worry that i have of of who this person is or how the situation is or how life is some move onto the next cohen and this this one is called the gates of paradise. I know i know that i have talked about this one in previous podcasts before but it's been a while so i'm gonna share shared again the gates of paradise a soldier named nabu. She came to hug wing and asked. Is there really a paradise advice on a hell. Who were you inquired. How choline i'm a samurai warrior replied you. Soldier exclaimed how choline what kind of ruler would have you as his guard. Your face looks like that of a beggar. Noguchi gay became so angry that he began to draw his sword but hukou continued. Oh so you have a sword. Your weapons probably much too dull to cut off my head as now as noble. She drew his sword hawk. Wayne remarked here in the gates of hell. At these words the samurai perceived the masters disciplined sheathed his sword unbowed here opened the gates of paradise said halloween so this is a co on. I've always enjoyed because this gets at the heart of one of those buddhist concept said that i think really speaks to me really gets gets at something important which is the concept of heaven and hell of paradise ace being something that is accessible and available in the here and now and that's exactly what's happening in this <hes> cohen huck lean who's the zen master there and then you have nobu shiga who's the samurai soldier who appears he's wanting to learn about these concepts of paradise and hell or heaven and hell and the zen master does this incredible job of teaching him in that moment by unquestioning him back or ridiculing him and invoking in him the strong sense of being angered and an upset and helping keenum realized that right there those are the gates of hell there you are you're in it right now and then when he realizes that flips it on 'cause now he's feeling gratitude for having learned and any say that sense of gratitude that bowing like everything that you're doing for how you perceive me now boom those are the gates of paradise and and really helping them to understand that they're both accessible in the here and now and i really liked that that is a very powerful cohen to think about and <hes> to recognize that sometimes we go through life and were were trying to arrive at this state of heaven or the state of hell now. Some people people believed that it's something that you ultimately arrive at right like if you were good enough in life you go to one if you're not good enough in life you go to the other but i love how buddhism is just trying to say. Wait a second whether or not that is the case <hes> we can actually experienced these states right now in the present moment. Perhaps that should concern us more because rather than worrying about where we're gonna go. We should ask what where am i now. Am i in heaven and paradise or am i in hell and they're they're out from my own doing right my own thoughts and actions and deeds and i'm sure all of you listening to this <hes> can relate that at some point in your life and some some stages of your life you have felt like you are in the there at the gates of hell right experiencing regret door or notions of anger frustration or whatever it is something so unpleasant that you may as well be in hell because of how pleasant the current moment is and and you've probably experienced the flip side to moments where nothing else matters any everything could be going wrong but the way i'm feeling in this moment is so we'll pleasant that this may as well be heaven. I know i've experienced both of those the different stages of my life and i love how m- isn't his inviting me to to assess these through the lens of the present moment to the lens of here now where am i which of these gates am i experiencing and more importantly the deeper deeper analysis there would be y you know <hes> nobu she could say why did that offend me so much. When you started questioning my ability ready to be a samurai now not only my learning about the gates of hell for me but i'm learning the causes of arriving at the gates of hell and that's probably an even deeper less than i would hope. I like to imagine that nobu she went home and he thought about that and started doing more work to understand the causes of the gates of hell in the causes of the gates of paradise for him particularly in his own life so that is the second co on. I wanted to share the gates of paradise and i'm gonna jump to the third one which is called learning to be silent and that is the title of this podcast episode today learning to be silent. This is is a fun one. It kind of made me laugh out loud but i want to discuss it a little bit learning to be silent. The pupils of the tendai school used to study eddie meditation before zen enter japan four of them who were intimate friends promised one another to observe seven days of silence on the first day all were silent their meditation had begun auspiciously but when the night came and the oil lamps were growing dim one of the people's could not help exclaiming to a servant fixed those lamps the second people were surprised to hear the first one talk. We're not supposed to say a word. He remarked you. Too are stupid. Why did you talk asked the third. I'm the only one who has not talked concluded the fourth and i love that because in in that one moment you have the spiraling of the end of silence right the first one who breaks the silence the second one who a uh rebukes the first one for having spoken the third one who says both of the ones who have spoken are idiots and then there's the fourth one who needs to make sure it's so important for this one to make sure that they they know that he wasn't the one who talked that hint that active <hes> one and then to now breaks the silence as well so what i like about this one aside from it being pretty comical is looking at the archetypes of the of the people that we're we're talking about here so the first one sees a situation in this case. The lamps needed to be fixed because they were going out and despite bite the vow of silence. It's so important to fix this scenario here that i'm gonna have to break my silence to say something over something. That arguably shouldn't have mattered so what if the lights go out right. I decided i'm gonna sit here and be quiet. I didn't decide. I'm going to sit here and be quiet. Only if the lights stay on so that's the first student who sorry i cannot stay silent about this thing. That's bothering me so boom. I broke my bow silence. That's one personality then you have student number two. This is <hes> and try to see yourself in these students or people that you know in these in these personality so people number two the one who when they hear somebody somebody's speaking. They're gonna make sure that they can rebuke them. You're not supposed to do that will in the act of making sure that you know that. I know that you're not supposed to do that now. I just his broke the rule right but it's that important for me to tell you that you're not supposed to do that. We all have been that probably at one point or another or for sure know someone who's has been that. We've all been people one at some point. We've probably all been pupil to at some point and then you've got people. Three pupil. Three is so smart art right this is i mentioned this in previous podcast episode with facebook personalities. This is that the smart aleck air unite person who's so smart now how people threes gotta come out and make sure people wanting to know how dumb they are for what they did. <hes> sure i could stay there silently and just like you know these guys are <hes> <hes> but i'm not gonna say anything no not when people three kicks in i've got to make sure that you know that i know how done you are and in that process of doing so there goes the silence so that's people number three and then of course pupil number four this is kind of the holier than thou one right like people four was was doing it all perfect. He could have just sat there he or she could have just sat there quietly and watched all of this chaos may be kind of chuckled inside and maintained paned on on on the path of silence but no pupil four has got to make sure that pupils one two and three no that pupil for it was not the one who who was gonna talk and in the process of saying i'm the only one who has not talked breaks the silence and i love that i love construct deconstructing deconstructing some of these personalities that are implied in people's one two three and four and and asking myself when and how often am i one of those four and this is like the example given here is silence learning to be silent but i think you can get this in in other things right if you decide. I said i'm going to be kind. Okay yeah. We all agree. I'm going to be kind and there goes the first person who does something. That's not very kind in there goes the second person who rebukes unkind person for not being kind but does it in an unkind way right and then we spiral on the the people number threes in the jump in and call the first two more for not being kind and then you've got the self righteous number four who's gonna unkindly tell everyone how kind they are right so that's a fun one to work with a fun one to think about learning to be silent and i may talk about a another buddhist concept except called noble silence but i think i'll leave that for another podcast episode to build off of this one a little bit but those are the three that i wanted to share with you today and the names of those three co on the first one is called joe shoes zan. Joe shoe is the is the old man who studied zen then. We have the gates of paradise and the third one. I just shared his called learning to be silent. You can probably google those if you wanna find the sources or if you happen to have a book of cohen's. I'm sure you'll find them in there because these are all common ones. I'll share more in a future episode. It's been fun exploring these cohen's and as i go through my cohen book i've highlighted all the ones that i would like to bring up in the podcast so i have a few more. I'm gonna share before i'm done with this stretch of cohen series that i've been sharing <hes> so again. Thank you for taking the time to listen for being a part of this journey with me. If you enjoyed the podcast episode episode feel free to share it with others writer review. Give it a rating and i tunes and if you wanna make a donation to support the work i'm doing with the podcast you can visit secular buddhism awesome dot com. Click the donate button. That's all i have for now but i look forward to recording another podcast episode soon. Thank you until next time ooh.

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This Ordinary Mind is the Way

Yokoji Zen Dharma Talks

1:06:10 hr | 6 months ago

This Ordinary Mind is the Way

"Morning everyone. Hobie damn well. these days with. Whatever's going on with the with coverted is like we have many worlds. It seems very fragmented almost like the zoom screen. All of these different worlds. And obviously I don't know if any these talk sort of reach your apply. But twit, many send talks because we have many different worlds sir. Is Important to somewhat generic, and then we plug into a however. However way the goes without lights. So. I wanted to talk on a column today about. Ordinary ordinary life. And of course, each one of those has. Has the military life. depending on how you really regatta and see see what that is. This is ordinary. Mind is the way. For some reason this morning in in looking at this call and I was having A. Hard time actually token about it, so I can't really say awful lot about two which is. Which is true? Anyway let me let me read the read the Koran and moons, common tree, and the and the verse, and then maybe. I'll get some inspiration on the on the way. So owner reminders the way case nineteen of the gate Lewis Gate or mummum con. The case Josue earnestly asked Nansen. What is the way nonsense answered? The ordinary mind is the way. Joe. Should I direct myself to ward it all not. Nonsense said if you try to turn to awarded you go against it. Jochen asked. If I do not try to turn toward. How can I know that it's the way? Nonsense said the way does not belong to knowing or not knowing. Knowing is delusion. Not. Knowing is a blank consciousness. When you have really reached the true way beyond all doubt, you'll find it as vast boundless as the great empty. They use the word firmament here thus can ally old language. Sky Is good enough. How can it be talked about on the level of right and wrong? These words shoe was suddenly enlightened. movements commentary nonsense was asked a question by Joe Shoe. A nonsense base shattered melted away. He could not justify himself. Even, though Joe Shoe has come to realize Asian he will have to delve into it for the two years before he can realize it fully. The verse the Spring Flowers, the moon, in autumn. The cool breezes of Summa the winter snow. If idol concerns do not cloud the mind. This. Is, a person's happiest season. So really this this lie. This last line of the poem is probably the key to they to mean cat and entire Coa. Idol concerns do not cloud the mind. This is man's happiest season or persons happiest season. Unreal does this is. This is the key to practice because If there's nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong. You know if you don't get swept up with. All kinds of machinations in the mind and directed in in all kinds of different ways. There's no problem. Minitel really till I was about fifteen sixteen. There wasn't much your problem. I just did what I did. The mine just went worry willing to go. It was no problems then at some point, that was something else. There was a feel of not being home. Now you can say that that this is. A DISEASE You could say it's a great spiritual attribute. But that was that would desire that to explore human consciousness, or I don't know if you can really even add the would human on it. Tell you the truth. ICON specifically say it's from that perspective. There's just there's just consciousness, and then there's a desire to explore and see what whatever is going on. So. That begins to occur. And it's the same across the board, basically for the majority of human beings that I've been counted. In my fourth forty some years of practice. Gang close to fifty now gets not that it matters. But there's that desire. But in that process there is a splitting up. Something's not quite right. and in that process then there is a looking at ancient tax ancient. Approaches. And then. A comparison basically between one's own mind and say the mind of the ancient. You could say that's a on. In its in itself in other words, this is their understanding. This is my understanding or my realization. This is that realization. And then call on really is the matching these two. As the basis of it. You could say that the the basic call no question of. Buddhism is. All beings, the great earth are the wisdom, and the chew of the away from one to those nets. You could. You could say that's the entire column. That's what the Buddha realized when he so the morning. Stop I o being the great earth are the wisdom of the Church of your Wakeham to those things, but even raising that that kind of thing music causes problems. You know. This. This may be if I don't see it that way then. I go. I better do some work and trion aimed towards this. This race nuys it. Is there anything right or wrong in the? You know that depends on the person. The some people there is a determination which is like I am. You know which is I will I'll solve this amount of wall, and with others as just a little. Inkling that this is hallman. It'd be nice to return to. Maybe the price is a bit too too much to pay for the. Know, if you, if you determine then, you know basically these these gaps, these these Supposed- lacks of understanding could be bridged. You know if you really want to do those things they can be bridge. They can be fixed. That's the basis of caller. My Zamira, she would say The biggest call on is. Between one South One south. You know. Go figure it, you know I mean you could split it up with words and kind of go, true self and fake south, but even with that. Bring you, your your fake south is hard. That's a hard thing to do something else something on Jack. So in this in this case, you know, it's really nice because we. We don't know if if Jochem. He's asking this. Because he really means sale, or he's asking this because he's asking for the people who around. We don't know that I mean in some cases. You know I'll do that. I will ask a basic question for the audience. And that's a great thing. Because then it can be brought up. It can be seen it can be. It can be dealt with in one way or another. So here we have the. Joe Shoe Asks Nansen is the way. and. Nansen just answers ordinary. Mind is the way. Now. Through over the years I've heard. People Really MIS misunderstand this statement. Has You know 'cause usually in the West? We understand mind as the head the thought process. And so ordinary mind just whatever happens whatever passes through whatever takes plights. Is is the way. You know so I. Really don't I really don't need to do something. You know. Let less true I. Don't really need to do something, but on a on a level is look at the stuff that he's being introduced with the had. On the momentary basis? Ninth you if you take nonsense statement as ordinary minders, way is the the the entire sense via including the universe that surround US lied. The hall suture says the basically the one who sees the process of seeing and the objects of sight s o one thing. And the same with airing tasting touching smelling an thanking. All of this is one thing we have to be careful with because as human beings. We rely on it so much. You know I just remember. All of the intellectuals meeting Stanford for this dog and conference. Who went to and while we're all getting a get enough. Oh, photograph, tate in and who should stem web because of seeing the architects after the dog was eat and the cold cuts. The dog doesn't worry about about what it looks like. His position in society just does what a dog does now human beings. The we have that aspect. We can go for the cuts, but these other things tend to get in the way. No so. Ordinary mind is the way so what does what does that really mean ordinary? You know the Mind Sun rising in the east and the The Sun. Setting in the West. You know. The grass, growing the trees around those the light, the ocean. You know the city that surrounds us. This is ordinary mind that's going on in the momentary basis. There isn't really a division there, but we can easily create that with all pro sets. Put things that cause causes, problems and separators SCHRIMM. The the direct experience of what's going on. You know if only it were. You know when when I get more wise than maybe I will get more respect. You know. When if all of these scenarios that we introduce the governor little to do with this momentary ordinary mind. If you want a bit of an insight into it, you know, says the first thing in terms of ordinary mind in verse it says the Spring Flowers the moon in autumn, the cool breezes in summer the winter snow. This is ordinary mind. The things that are are are basis now you think well, that's not how my mind works. But that is the first direct experience that we have right now. We have beautiful summer breezes. You know the die. Rightly experience them, and is so is so refreshing to to have those things. He just saying those direct things, but we always create something in our minds, the separate from from a basic experience. Now. it's also interesting in Newman's commentary. And you would think this would be somewhat in reverse. It, but it goes Nansen was asked a question by Joe, shoe and nonsense base was shattered melted away. So he was asked. You know what is the way. So, how can these baseball shouted? You know he's obviously split up because he has to say something about it. He has to send some. They shouted the point now. I have to objectively say something about my life, which is continuing on a momentary basis. I have to move move this experience of direct interaction with the world around me. No matter what I'm doing and they have to objectively bad. Say something about something that is going on, so take snapshot of this and talk about it. We'll talk about analogies split up the world this ordinary mind. But then as human beings in some ways, that's the way we love. You know. So he's base was shattered. And he could not justify himself. You can never justify yourself through words. You know. Hardly ever in my entire life, has somebody become in the light? Through words. No matter what I say. You know some people May. have. A way pointed out or something like that. But it's the application of those words. The the creates the the. You. Know the the real difference, and that's the thing with Joe. Shoe when Joe last single all earnestness it's important to. Each one of us when it's important to us will ask Andrew earnestness. And not earnestness usually means well. You know at least throw me a ball, and then I can chew on it and I can see. I can see what that is. And, if that occurs if I make those experiments than I, see for myself in that way. But quite often, we don't move beyond that point. I remember spend it. The last year I spent academically. I I learned so much you know and then I went out inside doing carpentry. And I remember trying to will things to America like I could make pictures of things. And understand things in in academia. But then that wouldn't translate to Chile. Making a window I couldn't will it. I had to get down to get you know and and follow the process in the process. Actually worked. Something came out of it. Now, this is the first thing with Jochen. He's great student in that way, and he's so open and he will try these things. And not only that not only will try these things out. He'll go well. That doesn't quite fit for me. How can this work and this one of the one of the best ways to be socal goods and student? is to. Is To really immerse yourself in it, and then allow these questions to emerge, and then learning how to ask these questions, no matter how dumb they are, is that then are allusions can be examined. Collectively and some something can really come out of this. NASA beauty of Yo. Shoe and the Nice thing is with this particular interaction, Joe. She wasn't in a hurry I. Think he was you know something like eighteen in practice would nonsense until he was in his fifties. And then you know. He basically lived until one hundred twenty, not that he knew that that was going to look. You know and in that process, basically he. Allowed that ordinary way to really come to the surface in practice it. So. It's kind of interesting he goes. Should I direct myself toward it or not? All of us do that on one level is hardly anybody that is simultaneously in light the the goes. You know this. Is it now I'm done you know we. We hear historically the. About that, but quite often those people are not very good teachers, because the not tried all these different directions. You know it's like a climate they'll. They'll use many possible vase. And then you know eventually find the hardest one, and they'll map it out and you know. Get get to the top, and then that's an amazing achievement, right? In terms of being exempt student is the full into so many pets that you've mapped out the territory you know. Is just let you fall down so many times that eventually you see the way that you go even being. One of those pitfalls. He's putting. This isn't enough this still something else that I need. You know this is this. Is Joe Shoes thing right from the beginning? US. What is the way you know? I mean nonsense could slapped him and gone. Out You know this is the way. is nothing else right here? You know, but Manson is very is very. What. Should I say, patient also skillful teacher? He C-. He sees where Joe Shoes coming from any any tries to bring certain things out. Because if you go toward it, you, you go against it. So if you know and this is, this is where another statement comes up in in terms of practices the. A lot of people will say certain stage in that practice you shouldn't seek. You shouldn't see after after things and the and the way in spiritual progress etcetera. But the thing is if that is natural to you at this moment in time I would suggest that you. Wear that out the you exhausted. The you put into that until there is none of that left. It's not a matter of you shouldn't see. Is that if the human mind seeks, let seek. If you my wants to clarify. Let it clarify. Let it do it to the hilt. An at some point in time that will be just become integrated with us the great, Cohen itself South. As a teacher, I'm always trying to find where the students come in from I before. I can say something. and NASA form of seeking is like collecting the body language seeing West somebody's coming from and then. You know, go going in the cold without. So. If you go towards you, go against it in other words. We tend to split up that point. Goal this, this is the way that the ancestors sat up. And you can say well. This is the way the answer seduce setup could be the one. Who was awaken to thus snus? As appeared is this. So as you look at these is through these ears. The one news attained to those snus. As a as a paid like this. If you go towards it, you go against it if you be it thoroughly holy. There's no problem that, but that is a very difficult thing to swallow. You, know we. We always like process we like to. Go through the ranks we light to you know, go through the columns. We liked to go through the responsibilities and saw the we got overall study. All of those things are great, but never forget that Wong. Who sees these is here's through. These years now is interesting in. This is the in the booth Ernie Second Statement. As, he says Oh beings have the wisdom of the awaken one-two thus nece, he also says because of our upside down views. We failed to see it in many ways practices really. Dealing with those aspects, these upside down views the bring in over and over. You know like some people will go well. Yeah, just this, is it? But I wish it was a different white. But justice is, it really means swallow this whole. You know this isn't disappointed. This is the way it is. Not Member Joko back when she had realization shoes really disappointed because he wasn't like she imagined. That! You know but at the same time is I never signed a contract when I came into this. This will with anybody any day at. Any, any being that said this is the way it's going to be. And you better play your PA. Is that this is free three-fold right from the beginning like. Nonsense says in the last line. You know when you when you see the way it's as. Let's see. When you, when you finally reach the true way beyond all doubt, you'll find it as fast and boundless. As the great and T sky. And that's what life is. You can move in many different ways, but it's not meant to an ad in a way that you. Imagine it to, or you would like it. I mean we see this with with with all the covid restrictions you know some days I'm climbing the walls even though. We've got a lot a large area. You know to go into I mean some of you, it's. It's lot tougher than the where I'm at. But. Thing. This is the way it is. How do I really live it? And if I if I am living which I am you know. How can they enjoy this the real question? Then what kind of suffering do I introduce into this this being this ordinary mind? The creates the suffering. A make turns it into house. And this is also an important part, so he's not just yeah I'm being, and this is the way it is. Look at how the mind works. A many different ways look at the almost. The autonomic passive, just being human ones that just kick in natural. Look those parts. You don't always need to do something about those, but then the things that we bring in the introduction which again is the root of the preset. Do not being toxic. Do. Not Bring in these intoxicants of spoil lives. Into this. Ordinary mind this direct experience of this moment over and over and over an over, and then you know it's just like mm-hmm on says that me either concerns do not cloud the mind. This kind of interesting clouds come and go. It doesn't mean the this is the way it is. Spur Abba. If idol consumes, do not cloud the mind. This is my person's happiest season. This moment in time. It doesn't mean that you're trying to be missed a rogers here, but just look at those intoxicants. You don't have to bring them in. You know just feel your ex. You'll you'll. You'll basic experience which in essence and from my own experience vast boundless right in the beginning I, try and make small with all kinds of concerns. Some of those concerns. I do not need to bring in. But that's the other aspect. Is that attachment to things, so we have something? In this process. Now. In terms of the Cohen. So, he goes direct myself towards. If you turn if you try to tend towards it, you go against it. And so Josue says if I, do not try to my way. Way Towards how can I know that is the way? Now this is this is a big shift in terms of practice is when. You swallow your own condition hall. No matter, no matter what whether you're, you're really suffering from loss from injury from. Say financial difficulty any of these things when you swallow, this is the way no matter wall. You know so if something is rising in terms of life is can ideal with this thoroughly openly now. That is very difficult. Are always remember my Zamira. She saying something that was. Ridiculously simple. We just ridiculous and I hated it. He goes when it's hard, it's hard. It was hard time when it's obvious. But can we swallow that? It's just like well. It'd be nice if you had this spin on it or that Ori, for only and then that's where we starts to get muddy. You Know I. Spent many years in the middle part of my practice, where as like trusting myself just to feel whatever was going on rather than to try and intellectually work it out. I gone into at a gardening inkling into it started just really going into into the feeling and not perpetuate the story. On what I found through doing that really feeling the situation circumstance, not going for some Nirvana in my own mind, you know. Was the I actually Mussa. Those difficult circumstances law allowed quick because I was actually given them voice, allowing those things really to come to the surface and show me whatever it was. The was actually going on and I also then began to feel deeply more deeply about. About people and things around me because everybody goes through similar things. You know again is that the head could never really that out. It tended perpetuate to story around it robin the direct experience again. This goes back to ordinary. Mind is the way internally when those things are going up. What is this? What's going on and then finding something about it rather than going, I? Don't like this I'll just push it off and then maybe it'll go away. But usually if I resist it it. Is Old psychotherapy thing comes in what have you resist persists and is true to a certain degree. So, so then really swallowing yourself hall. This is my life right now. It combine the way because it isn't. Right now it isn't but if I need to understand these things than this does less chance of them dominating my life through lie. If I thoroughly experienced them, learn something from them. And if it keeps on coming up then you know I haven't learned that lesson yet. 'cause those that usually the collins said we really need. Because those are the ones we haven't passed yet for ourselves. We haven't gone through those things at this point in time. So. Then he goes into. The way does not belong to knowingly not known now for us. An I can't really so the separate myself from from Say saying in the West because you know I. I know some Japanese people that way we love to know things we love to know. Let's kind of interesting because nonsense says. Knowing is delusion. That is kind of interesting. In terms, lean linguistically is the. No comes from know sis, which is more feeling with the body, so as Greek word, and that and that would comes from which you think is the English route to. Comes from. Prussia at which is the same script Paulie? I was getting mixed up, but one of those two and again. That's in knowledge so where where he saying no here, that's. The knowledge that he's talking about so when I frame something again and then I go! Yeah, I. Know The way is that I'm splitting myself up from the way. That's why he's saying the knowing it doesn't belong to knowing not knowing the not knowing pot is that it's not just a matter of pushing l- away and then going going into a blank consciousness that he's talking about. Book the beauty is the knowing. Points to that Deepa not knowing which is the sole source of of all creativity. Now if you go directly into into that that not knowing directly experiencing it. Then, you can point the way very easily to people. Because then conversation is direct diorite text freshen of whatever wants direct experiences right now. Thoughts has been enlisted as until rod the ban, an overall thing that he's trying to know the universe and it never will. Now. Why do I say that is? I've tried it. And the universe is way too big for the mind to the human mind to encompass bought direct experience of this universe can be experienced on the momentary basis. To whatever depth to what and there is no debt. Thelma Ritter. Always know this moment has infinite depth. But nobody can judge that fully. You know that is something the. Is! The that we are born with human beings. Just like. The six ancestor. Andy heard the phrase dwelling nowhere. Raise the mind, and that's what life is we do I'll know right from the beginning. That's Di directly at the base of this. Are, then raise up whatever it is that we need to whatever sphere wherein to really function. So the way belongs to neither knowing or not knowing that isn't like a zen clause. You know. that it doesn't, it's not is not either oil. Sometimes we need to know we need to express. Sometimes it's important to go into the unknown and find out just in the same way is if you're dealing with somebody and you don't really know whether coming from you listen very very carefully you pick. Try and pick the body language by looking at the body and seeing how how how that stances. And then begin to through conversation pickup the key the keys, the things the that you need to address that person. And then in one way you take risk, you know all communication. I think. Open it up at this point, and then if there's anything more I'll you know I'll. I'll I'll say some more from the Cohen. Case. So you can use the raise hand. Function and you can also on Mute Yourself, and I will open up chat as well Indiana I see that you've a muted yourself. John Kerry on. Good Morning I just to say straightaway. I. Think you use prefaced your talk by saying that. You didn't really know what you're going to save out this since spring. I just to me. Dislike the most succinct clear. Arc. That I've heard in ages I mean most of yours are. Really except no it really. It just hits home every Lauren. It also helps me resolve some of the Else. We clarify more your. Work that I do in therapy is so yeah. Meshed resent. Yeah, yeah, the show y'all I took so many notes about some of those things because it was really eliminating to me so. Surreal synchronicity the media here this talk this morning. No you don't is important. Tara therapies stood the the human condition to. An ways of moving through places where get stuck, which again is not stoke axel wheel. It important to look at since. The really good techniques. Nearly didn't see any y'all separation. No, no, no, I'm not trying to separate immuno of talking about the human condition. Yeah. So! Really? Just hit a lot of things. Thank you. Amber. Retain about that. You mentioning that you were having. A hard time stinks about this one. This morning was the Cohen just about life. Is like this. Go figure you know. This. I was wondering if you've seen. Up. Whether. Lead have the could say something. Yeah. Yeah and that's trust in. You know basically the unknown. Is this I know? Something will come up the way or another. It doesn't it doesn't? It doesn't intimidate Neil or Omega me fearful. You know he's just I. Know something will come out and it's the same thing when I when I deal with people and sometimes I. Just don't have anything disabled. Something comes out one way or another. and. You know this this usually those awkward pause, but it's important to feel. Could Pasta sometimes they give you information. About the circumstances because both of us involved in In that process any conversation is you know this to people? You know. Set when he's with myself. Yeah this good thanks asking the question. Step for you. It's SIROCCO. Maria. Again it's. Rojo you doing? Rushing. Good. It's good to see you. I my question is going to be. Seeking, but as you said that know, let's just where I would I mean. You're talking about. You're. Not Separating Yourself, observe and I find that. Not Despair as easy, but it feels like very much. Within reach with. inanimate surroundings ornament animals right like like. Going hiking and. It is because you get like those who winces of White, not suffer your environment, but it's really challenging. people special people. Or people that you know like for example like he can feel that that not separate us with your partner, but then when you have a conflict in his like much ardour to really. Excel! And then you also brought up A. Year No like observing Blanton United. It's on. Like a body language on the white emotional intelligence trainees. Recently, is you've you've now that I that something that I struggle with The address a little bit of that when it should. Should I spoke. Would it help to dislike experience that that that not suffered is just with with nature I in in Mandalit up to human urges. Just I don't know. What's the that's? That's what you do in right. Yes. Let's go now. Just ask yourself the question. Why? Why don't I feel life like this when I am interacting with people? 'CAUSE 'cause, then it may be. You're trying to superimpose a natural thing over the top of. People people in the street. You know people in the street is just people in the street it's it's not the feeling of being in the in the country. So the thing is just just allow yourself to be fully present. An don't put any divisions this is this is how it is in the street. This is how is in the country, but the one who sees through these eyes and brings signals. Is that no matter what activities going on? You know that that that is basic awareness one of the things. I know I tended to do. Probably for the first twenty years of my practice was demane basic awareness. Value Basic Awareness. You know, and that's the thing that really needs to raise up to the surface. Is. The I'm alive and Kickin. The willed is showing up on a momentary basis. Why do I want something different? Come in? When. I'm I'm say washing dishes. then. This is my life right now. Is No high or low point here is I'm washing dishes out. Can I enjoy it I can do this best of my ability. When I'm avenue knowledgeable with my spouse you know is this is my life right now. What's most important? You know and I'll let you on so that one. You know. 'cause again is just the the way that I, I live on what has been given me is very important. And then how a tree! Because I feel with that connectedness. The others are in the same place whether they're exhibiting that or that acting like an enemy I've always been a bad that mind. This is life right now. How do I make the most of it, you know, and sometimes in those really difficult times you can actually make. You can build bridges. Not Saying all the time. But you know this is life right now. What can I live from it? No matter Wasser rising whether it's negative or positive difference of opinion. You know all of these things. Always remember we're in this together. That's why practices animals. Remember on pre sometimes sucks. But this is life right now. I wasn't like the Buddha remember. The Buddha had hard times, too. Is Cousin tried to kill him? You know is You know. He's country was destroyed by his mother's country. You tried to get in between I'm sure he had a lot of. You know. Emotional over that. He left the sanger about three times, and they had to bring him back and I can understand that, too. You know it wasn't like he had an ideal life. He lived a time where the wasn't a fantastic amount of food, etc, they will live outside a lot of the Times you know. So i. mean that's that any. Any died of dysentery this dysentery by the side of the road. That was his reward for four tiers. Teaching But in saying that that's the human condition. He shed light on the human condition, and he made the best he possibly could. So for IT'S A. Your way. You make that the best that you. Come from from what you have, and the thing is. Nobody has ever been you ever in this universe. So that's worries, vast and boundless. You have caught blanche that to do whatever it is you need to do. Thanks zero q seeing you. Ron. Heroin on. A Roach A. In a very early part of your talk you talked about if final thoughts do not cloud, the mind of I can relate to either thoughts clouding mine yet. I can see. I guess that Distinction of Oh. We've got over here week that this ordinary mind for. Or looking for the over here with these oil thoughts, Kinda split in of itself. Unless you sit there and go all right. We're the ones or not I mean unless you're really. Concentrates but in doing that, you lose. Yeah you have to. You have to do something tabs practice. And some know sometimes you have to split things up. A slight. Okay like must Macedonian right. He did the Food Angi. And I'll use the translation that I am. I remember which is. Let's see Why Training and enlightenment differentiated or made to, since the truth is universal, saying the same thing why study a means to attain, it seems since the Supreme Teaching is free. which is now, you know? Since, truth is clearly seeing to be apart from that, which is unclean, why cling to a means of cleansing it which is practice? Okay, so he's saying something that the that all of us. All of us understand, but then he goes baud if there's the slightest gap. Then there's the difference between having A. So, so then he goes into practice practice liability dom practice like the Buddha. Now these things are important because if we don't really see who we are what our life is. And you'll no different than Joe Xuan this. He's doing exactly that he's studying ways. He studying how the mind works. He's is learning to be able to put the chaff on one side, and look directly may both the symbol tena. Can from clarity or I can go. United will losing two nil at half time and I'm really concerned about what's going to happen. Life's going on so I can put those things on one side. It doesn't mean that those things are not happening. It means the right now. This is the most important thing. But a lot of people can't differentiate between the thought process. An indirect living. You know that's a basic thing that really needs to to to be to be taken care of. When you do that, then you can tell it. We many people in many different ways and give them tools to help some with that. You know. Yes I'm definitely one of those people. Well we all we all ought to us to whatever degree in is not a matter of comparing ourselves that way. Each one of us has always that we act to gain star our own basic. being. And is important to be able to put those things on one side for the time being. An experience the world. It's like does end. Maybe. I'm still finding now. Through. Agno. Morning. It's really nice to see everybody. Today! I can hear you good. Could you say a little bit more of out? Christ. Yeah, the inner knowing. What that knowing is this something I'm? Really. Converting inside the knowledge I'm wanting to understand. That aspect of of wisdom. Unfortunately in the. English. Language we just taken that wisdom. To be intellectual knowledge. And then you know, but we have that we have wisdom of of of all kinds. The the is basically presented to us. In Buddhism as a unified. Thing, this the experiential, it's appearing objectively as well of subjectively it is the process of learning and all those things. How he's talked in terms of China, so you know you speak Greek so I i. don't know how noces issues now in terms of the weather. It's. More like the rock of Hind Lens. A stranger in a strange land. You know. But, but you know we tend to soon as we head. No, it's it is cognitive now in the English language rob than we'd have to say exponential now that's wisdom in itself. You know announcing bodied wisdom. So. You know you look you. Look at the heart, Sutra for instance and Abloh cash so that she knew. When doing deep pressure me to wisdom, the goes beyond all concept so knowledge basically. So when you immerse, yourself clearly saw you know. And that's that's the application of wisdom right then so the living in itself is important like there was a lodge potter might my own practice where I had all of those on one side and used to do. Don't hold up with miss being some separate than what I'm doing all attainment, and just immerse, and then what I. What I found out when I allowed that to occur rather than trying to cognitively place myself in one way or another than five years down the road, if I'm that wisdom of just immersion being. Taken over rather rather than always trying to play. This my on there yet you know etc.. And so that that wisdom them becomes more embodied rather than cognitive. The cognitive isn't helpful, but it's gotta be conjured up rather than. Available just like if you're a musician. And you play is available. If. You're soccer player and you play. It's available. If not you. You walk in around. What was that you know, or I forget the in tune. And that that's that's the real difference in it. We just like the same with the English word. To understand at Houston main to stand on the or to actually? Experience what whatever stab, but then he got, the meaning shifted around cognitively. Doing exactly and again is I'm not trying to I'm not trying to demane. Intellect is great tool, but prepared to time. It has our reliance on asked to be put on one side, an instinct, intuition and basic. Knowledge. Of of practice comes to the full from, and then then the intellect can be used to express. Is based on something rather than floating around and just ideas. And then you know like an in Buddhist practice than. The until it's use a lot of discernment. You know so you actually use the thought processes until? So he's not like you know trying to get to a stage would. You know as you use it wherever you are in life but from that basis. Yeah, we're in. This together was the best thing to work. Thank you. Sonya. Bruce had his hand up. Southie? Spot. A Bruce. Okimoto A! You're in a different place. In fact, you frozen. Yeah I, a kind of a and you see you had some stained glass behind. I caught a conohere. Still so I. Don't I don't know. Can you turn you? Sorry can you? Can you turn your vision? Video often then you save, the toll will come through. Yeah I can hear you now. Great, it worked. Technical Genius look it up. Yeah just poking buttons yeah. All right yeah. in their punches. Works of. Good! Insight! A lock. At. Russa I really I really caught. He is slight year you talking through a phaser something. You can turn to. Try chattings once you could try chatting. Whatever that means type it out. We can move on someone else to. Get Hot, yeah. I get hot. You're all. Three thank you. I was just wondering. You know detail by receiving instructions. To Talk. Because I have two options to choose. Not ought to engage. Yeah, I was wondering how why synchronize? you. You'RE GONNA. Find out what's what's right for you. You know I I. Remember when I was with my Zuma row, she asked me and I I might have said this. A I'm running out of new material, but you know. He said. How was my talk and I said well. I tend to attend not to freeze on points so I. Don't remember off the law. And I go with the flow of the of the of the whole of the whole talk. And then one or two things may stick with me and he goes, and he said to me well. That's the perfect way of doing it because you can only work with or apply one or two things. It's not that I say a whole bunch of stuff like the most important thing is the one thing that strikes you the two things that strike you because then you can, you can apply those. You know. Is like? That students Alesia. Injuries to synchronize surprising in jail. She said I. Don't see the annual that is something going on that smaller yet. I. Know, what one time wiping seeking minded than it becomes Miocene. Yes, yeah, exactly. That's why it's important to put your thing on one side while you're listening to somebody, and then then you actually hear more. I have been a been on been on, you know like in a restaurant scene to people and they're having to conversations woman. In an ongoing. How you ever GonNa find out whether the other person's coming from. You know. But you know if I can put my my stuff on one side and then actually listen to that I. I learned a lot more about that person. Not only a the story, but the feeling that story in you know the the gut level feeling of what's really going on in their life in in one way or another? Right. Would sink to hold back on the first in through on. Often because. Of stupid from Weinstein Yellow you to determine that yeah. It's. It's fresh. It's innocent of. It's not a strategy, so yes, not, very sensitive or whatever it is comes. Dressing roses onto. Saying so is as it is always interesting, no matter what. Requires Training in a weight is out yet. You. Want to, but I think I think the web practice is probably better in the sense the if you hear something, you think you might be true is then put it into practice. I can tell you stuff like I did with my Zimaraya, but he may not be true for you if you put that into practice and see if it actually is good site with I. Don't take the Buddha's words for granted Al. Gore would've said this. That for is that way is going. What did he mean by this? How does this apply to my life? You know, and then in doing so is that then I get a deeper understanding of where he's coming from hardly avenue I goal. Throw that away. It's mainly. Oh, I see what he's talking about now. It's more on those lines but I I never been wants to swallow the aid. You know that way just like. How does that apply to my life? And then in doing. At the conceptual beef in some fessel yeah. Only death, embracing of the tombs of. Left Onset slow. They don't have any SPA. Greeting. disatisfaction only. Gets enough. Thank you very much for their. Thanks appreciate it, thank you. Anyone else says any comments or questions. We have a few minutes left. Someone's amuse themselves P J or pj he. Thinks. This is fear piano. She yeah. I. I went. there. A wreck before with each aw. The only here. Will be older believed in in in our free as reality or wondering if that's the case been Cohen's. indifferent. insuring east and The West, is you? Are Your right now west. is it? Is it the. June some point with her. Own Free is by reality. I you know this this a lot of eastern poetry that does does point to to reality. You know. But also poetry can be call on. Western poetry can be call on. Is when is when somebody? When I read a power prime I go! What what are they tolkien about especially if they using analogies. And then if he strikes me, then is so slight. Wow, that's that's really that's really good. And you know I wouldn't I wouldn't put these these divisions in between eastern Western people there's. There there is tendencies. But. Everybody's everybody's different in their own being. And they express things in their own way. Some of us are more intellectually driven some of us will. Say Work or practically driven. You know we have all of those different kinds of people. The important thing is picking up what every useful to you, and then use it, and then whatever one's own talent saw using those talents in whatever way? You Yeah! I mean if you ever get a chance read. what is it Jack Kerouac scripture of Golden Eternity. And that that's a poem also. Yeah. It's it's a really good piece of not only poetry, but he's made a really good attempt to do in the Sutra. Okay! Yeah okay. Yeah. Great. Thank you I. See you you, too. Is An. and. A little Raunchy. How're you doing? Good whole be hijacked you. That's my Jig. There is. Under more that you can put autograph behind him. Yes amazing. Snow but. Anyway so this one is thank you so much for this of this helps me stay. Connected with the practice field feel connected with you themselve. God and Really WanNa. Thank you. What I'll take away from your talk today. Is it okay to ask them push? Due to the whole time you. Feel like. You. Remember. Remember communication is is getting on the same page. simplisafe. That, thus, thus what we're doing, he knows communicating. The same life you know so that we're not all. You know in our own netherworld somewhere. The certainly understand that yeah. Me Too. But thank you so much, thank you. Question here. Versus you. To to clarify. On were. The commentaries They spoke of nonsense being broken. Base was broken. Yeah, visit in the. Back. Out of Absolute Luton's the relative to help. Explain that. A Yeah, he said I'm alright so I don't know if you could hear in the background so a read the the referenced if I. Kept it in place. Okay Nansen was asked a question by Joe Shoe Nelson's base was shattered. And melted away. So as soon as Soon as Nansen spoke basically than his, his expert directed experience of life. we it basically. Now why why am I saying that? Because basically then he's GonNa objectively. Look at his own life. Is objectively got to see west. Somebody else's coming from you split into two, but it's just skillful. Means is not the is anything wrong? There is just the light today I. Didn't I didn't know what to talk and I didn't really want to talk and part of it again is just i. just felt you know. How can I say something about this? It's it's solid. I just don't need anything as soon as I have to. Speak about something, am object to find to a certain degree. Now, it's a little bit painful, other wear. On into the weeds or Yeah yeah, but it's necessary. It's necessary slight. You may say something just to give somebody support. You know it's not necessarily you say something, but it is. You know so. We do all of these things like the me. Teaching is an unnecessary evil. And at some point I hope somebody else can do that. evil. So then I don't have the lab black. See, I'll get a poem. Sorry since. The end of the week for me. On this on this long groundhog day. Some of you may feel that way, too. ALL RIGHT SO Thank thank you all. And I e. I really hope that. All of us can can lend some thin deeply through this. Through this cove him as a very deep lesson, and all those things that come up negatively really use them as a teacher, and not the Aktau on them, but really look at them very very closely because they may be very helpful to US human being. I'm doing that, too. So.

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137 - The Beauty Of Nothing

Secular Buddhism

22:36 min | 6 months ago

137 - The Beauty Of Nothing

"Hello, and welcome to another episode of the secular Buddhism podcast. This is episode number one, hundred and thirty seven. I am your host Noah Rochetta and today I'm going to talk about the beauty of nothing. As always keep in mind you don't need to use what you learn from. Buddhism to be a Buddhist, you can use what you learn to be a better whatever you already are. If. You're new to the podcast checkout episodes one through five or visit secular Buddhism dot Com and click on start here, which will give you access to those episodes one through five where they're easy to find. If you're looking for an online community, the practice with and interact with consider becoming a supporter of the podcast by visiting secular Buddhism Dot Com and clicking on the top link that says, join our online community on patron. In the last podcast episode I shared a Cohen. That's goes like this own Mahn said, I do not ask you about fifteen days ago. But what about fifteen days hence come say a word about this since none of the monks answered he answered for them every day is a good day. The everyday is a good day co on is a Cohen that I've enjoyed. In fact I have it written in Japanese on a poster board on my wall every day is a good day and this has been A. a way of thinking concept. If we want to call it that that I like to keep the forefront of my mind when I'm experiencing what I would consider to be a good day. Maybe a bad day for someone else or would consider to be a bad day for me. Certainly a good day for someone else and the idea that every day is a good day because it's always based on perspective and place some time has been helpful for me to I think have a more skillful view of what good means and and the idea of what a day is. So I wanted to share some of the thoughts that came from the Patriot community do Shan says I can't escape thinking that hope is at the center of this Cohen as well as the irrelevance of the past and the future. However, I don't commonly see hope as a big part of Buddhism in general hope seems judgmental and perhaps leads to dissatisfaction about the way things are. I want to share a couple thoughts about this in in terms of the notion of hope in in Buddhism I like to remind people that the Buddhist view is always pertaining to the present moment. So when we approach concepts like hope like hopelessness specifically. It's always pertaining to the present moment. So the idea isn't that I shouldn't have hope for things in the future. The idea is that if I can experience homelessness in the present moment, what I'm experiencing is a moment of not needing things to be any different than how they are, which if you think about it that when we talk about the the definition of suffering the moment, we want things to be other than how they are. We experienced suffering now there's nothing wrong with hat. It's okay to experience suffering. It's unavoidable impact. We're going to experience this feeling times the moment we want things to be other than how they are. So what we can do in the present moment if I realized that for this one single moment, I don't need anything to be other than how it is. I'm experiencing seen hopelessness but I know hopelessness has a bad rap a bad connotation in our way of thinking in our society and it's a little strange to tell someone that the you're aspiring for hopelessness but remember it's not in the future you see this even in Buddhist. Thought like the in the Meta prayer where you say may you be happy? May you be free? May You? May you be free from suffering? May you be a piece that expression is a implies? A wish that I have for you in the future. But as far as a practice goes what I'm doing when I'm trying to experience hopelessness it's right now in this present moment, it's it's the radical acceptance of how things are all elaborate on that just a little bit more but I I wanNA share a roberts thoughts. He says, thanks for the episode. The Cohen makes me think of two things one, there's no such thing as A. Bad Day, because even if you're having a bad day billions of others might be having a good one and two time is a concept. It's existence relies on humans believing in it there are no good or bad days because beyond our perception, there are no days. Now I liked it he brings awareness to this idea of time if I say every day is a day Yeah. The the. The idea of a day is something that is a concept right? We we distinguish what a day is based on the rotation of the Sun. We've decided that's it, but you know, where do you draw that line? What if it was twenty five hours in the day and on the twenty fifth hour? There's this great thing that happened How do you define what makes it a day? Good. And what makes a day bad is at ten good things and too bad things as it twelve good bad things and one good thing you know what would make it good or bad and then you have to break down from there will then is it what? What is it by our What what would make every hour is a good hour or every minute is a good minute. Every second is a good second right where do we draw that line because again, the emphasis from the Buddhist perspective is always pertaining to the present moment and any moment can be a good moment if I just bring awareness to it and mindfulness to the moment because if you'll recall the the very definition of mindfulness as the non-judgmental observation of the present moment. So I'm observing the. Present. Moment with non judgment, it's not good or bad. It's just the moment that is and in doing. So yea, could say every moment is a good moment but that's the Co on right because who says, what's good? Who say what's good and what's bad which brings me to heathers thoughts who says this Cohen about good days and bad days brought a few interesting things to my thoughts today. I it made me think of the parable about the two neighbors who whenever something happened to his neighbor such as the horse running away or his son being a pardoned from joining the army because of breaking his leg. The neighbor simply replied who knows what is good and what is bad it is through this story that we realized that not everything is as it seems at first. So it's not wise to label things as good or bad. Also, we should take into consideration of what is good for one person may be bad for another. Finally, most of what I've been learning about Buddhism and she says I'm fairly new to the practice emphasizes being present in the moment, not dwelling on the past or worrying about the future. So perhaps, this question isn't really a question question at all. It's a reminder that we should be here in the present moment fully awakened and I kinda wanted to share my thoughts on. Building on Heather's spots here the concept of the present moment because yes the from the Buddhist perspective again, it's always anchored in the present moment. So if that's the case and I'm anchored in the present moment a a concept like every day is a good day again, I'd have to go to what about this moment and if this moment is good or bad will what about the next moment in that moment is good or bad? Well, what about the next moment and because we can't pause time We're stuck with this with this constant observation that the meaning I'm giving to a moment is just that it's the meaning I'm giving to it, and the moment I've done that it's gone and I'm on to the next moment and onto the next moment. So when I start to see it in light of Trying to be in the present moment Suddenly all of these other concepts that you'll encounter in Buddhism, make more sense Again, going back to the concept of hopelessness will share if I'm hopeless to this moment what about the next moment will that one I'm hopeful well, then what about the next one? Oh, maybe that one I'm hopeless. Like a what if you're switching back and forth literally moments a moment in half a second increments or something. So because there's no fixed time, everything's always changing notions like this start to make more sense in terms of the present moment. So those are just some of the thoughts I wanted to share regarding the every day is a good day Cohen and I want to tie this into the topic that I wanted to share today the beauty of nothing Now, this is just kind of a stream of thoughts that I wanted to share with you. The concept of nothingness in Buddhism is that I would have to entertain the question is nothing something because if you have an answer to that question and you tell me what nothing is will then now nothing is something right the idea that you have about what nothing is that is something it's a concept and it's an idea. So the idea of nothingness from the Buddhist perspective is quite fascinating because it puts you in this world of non duality again, which is is nothing something and I would argue that it is. So then there's no such thing as nothingness nothing assists something ness and that's pretty interesting to think about. So one thing I wanted to share where this starts to apply a little bit more in our day to day experience is the practice of trying to do nothing I, just got off the phone not long ago with a podcast listener who who who's a patron and was asking wanted to discuss this concept of nothingness. And we had a really fun conversation around this and talked about some of the ways that this concept of nothingness can be beneficial in day to day life I wanted to share some of those thoughts with you in the I was you know the question will how do even practice nothingness because if I'm thinking I'm trying to make time for nothing and there was a podcast episode about this making time for nothing that's why I wanted to bring this up. But if I go into the practice of wanting to do nothing I'm going to struggle if I really think that nothing is devoid of something. So what that means to be If. I. Sit here and I think, okay I'm going to do nothing what am I actually doing I'm doing something I'm thinking of doing nothing, which is something it's a lot like the the catch twenty, two that you're in. If you think, well, what is the sound of silence will listen to silence and you're going to hear something whether it's the ringing in your ears or the faraway sounds of of cars honking like. The idea that there there's always some kind of sound taking place. Even if you just say, okay, we'll the what is the sound or the frequency of the sound of the radiation that comes from the sun and just shoots right through the earth like we're experiencing that at any given moment and there's a sound associated to that whether I can perceive it or not doesn't matter. But the idea is that there is no such thing as silence at least for us here in this world, there's always some form of sound penetrating the earth from the sun or something. and. I think this concept with nothing is the same. So. To want to experience. This is to experience something nece. I'm going to experience something by by trying to do nothing. And this could be as simple as Oh communists it here and do nothing, and then I get distracted watching a little amt on the ground and I follow along and watch and realized that in this moment of nothingness, there's a whole lot of something nece taking place where I can hear the rustling of the leaves on the trees outside the window, and in my moment of doing nothing I observed that there's a whole lot of somethin' and that to me is where this becomes powerful in my external observation of nothingness would I observe a lot of something nece but now take this a step further and go inward in my. I intent to observe nothingness taking place in me what I will observe as a whole lot of something this I may be able to observe my heartbeat or the rumbling sounds in my stomach or the sound of breathing or. The observation of thoughts don't stop the thoughts are always going always racing even if I have the thought that I'm not having thoughts that's a thought I had the thought of not having thoughts and that is the dilemma with the concept of nothingness, which is what makes the idea of nothingness. So beautiful is that nothing is actually something quite a bit of something. So I was having all these thoughts with the notion of nothing and then I thought you know I would like to correlate this with a bigger topic in Buddhism, which is the concept of no self or non-self. and. I think if I if I can conclude that nothingness something and I take that line of thought of quiet something like the sense of self. Now, I'm actually onto something pretty fascinating, which is the idea of non-self. Self is nothing right from the Buddhist way of thought, which means that self is something if anything it's a concept that's an idea and it's always changing and always evolving. In one way that I like to think of this is the way that I perceive a rainbow you know the the other day my daughter who's four was looking we saw a rainbow. And she said, can can we go to it and I had to explain to her well, the rainbow something that we see, but it's not actually there. You don't get to go touch it. The closer you get to disappears because you only see a rainbow. Not because they're but it's based on how we see and now of course to a four year old this this whole notion is like. Okay I don't that was too much, right? But it got me thinking. When I perceive a rainbow, the causes and conditions arise, and suddenly I perceive the Rainbow I don't think it's much different when I proceed the sense of self the causes and conditions arise, which is that I exist I'm born my brain processes, thoughts, experiences, feelings, and emotions in this whole combination of experienced that I'm having gives rise to this and sation of a sense of self very similar to the sensation of Oh. There's a rainbow something that I can perceive. Now the I go chasing after it and I'll never find it. And I think that's the same dilemma that we're in with a sense of self which is what the Buddhist view of non-south is trying to get. It's not that there is no self it's that the perception that we have of self is off from what we think that it is and other words words the sense of self my myself is not what I might think that it is it's not a permanent thing and it's not an independent thing. It's an interdependent transitory thing that's always changing the sense of self. And this to me is fascinating way to look at it. I might think there are aspects of me that seem fixed like my personality for example, but it's not that fixed Many people will encounter some kind of big experience that can change their personality just yesterday I was hearing about someone who was saying that a really good friend who had a certain personality and way about him and he went to Rehab because he was dealing with a strong addiction to drinking and smoking and and went through this whole program and came. Out of that and was an a different person, his personality had changed. Now, some of us may not go through something that changes are personality. A crisis can do it. people who endure some kind of trauma may have a different personality. Most of us will kind of have the same personality that we've always had, and it will seem like well that what about that? That's kind of a permanent thing but it's not because what was your personality before the day you were born right? For Day, before you were conceived or the day after you die like there's no permanence in there in the same way that that Cohen Evokes when he says what was your face before you were born so but what what I'm trying to get at it? Yes. With this line of thought as that even things that may seem fixed and permanent they aren't fixed or permanent when it comes to this concept sense of self and as long as they can cause and conditions are there to see the rainbow you're going to see the rainbow. So there's no need to. Deny. What I'm perceiving I can say, well, yeah, I see that rainbow I totally see it but I know that it's not what I would think that it is and that to me is where the value comes in this as I think about the sense of self I have a strong perception of a sense of self but that doesn't mean that it that it's what I might think it could be I. I. Start to see through that illusion recognize it's what I'm seeing that matters not what's actually there that matters it's because of how I see that I perceive what I'm perceiving. So You know one another way I wanted to share some thoughts about this idea of hopelessness or really any concept in Buddhism is if we apply it to the present moment and along the lines of skillful versus unskillful. Then we have something actually Fischel and useful to work within our day to day life and the analogy that I had that popped into. My mind was if I am out on the ocean in a boat and suddenly I realize I'm caught up in a storm in a hurricane. a sense of hopelessness. One would say, oh, that means okay. I'm not GONNA do anything because I guess I'm just going to die out here. Well, that's pretty grim but the Buddhist view of hopelessness would be okay I'm recognizing Emma here in a storm and there is nothing I can do about it cannot wish this storm away I cannot pray it away like I am I'm caught up in the storm. There's no denying that that's where acceptance kicks in. Okay. If I'm caught in a storm What can I do the moment I accept that I am caught in the storm I can start to be more skilful. Okay. Well, they better bring the sales down or a better call an SOS on the radio or a better anchor myself or strap myself to the railings of the boats wave doesn't knocked me over or you know their whole bunch of things that you can do but those things are only going to happen once I recognize. This is indeed the situation that I'm in. So the idea of hopelessness and Buddhism is more along those lines and someone in the Patriot community said she likes the expression wishlist ness which which I agree I like that. It's a moment where I'm experiencing wishlist nece. I don't need it. I don't need to spend time wishing that it was any other than how it is going to just say this is how it is in the present moment and if I'm caught in a storm in a boat in the ocean, then I'm going to do the things that I know are skillful to do in that moment rather than sit there wishing I wasn't in the storm because. No amount of wishing is going to make that storm go away. So that's kind of a along the lines of of what I wanted to share in terms of this concept of of the beauty of nothing to me the beauty of nothing is the recognition that the beauty of nothing is, in fact, the beauty of something there's always something and Yeah. So those were some of the thoughts that I wanted to share. This podcast episode was inspired by a recent phone call conversation like had mentioned before and it I wanted to just share much of those thoughts So I hope you enjoy this podcast episode I want to close it with another Cohen that you can think about during between now and the next podcast episode, and this is one of those Big Cohen's I would say perhaps of all the Cohen's this one is the most famous at least in Zen circles and this is the co on called Joe Shoes Mu. So Joe Shoe was a famous Chinese zen master who lived in Josue, the province from which he took his name one day a troubled monk approached him intending to ask the master for guidance a dog walked by monk asked Joe Shoe has that dog a Buddha or not? The monk had barely completed his question when Jochen shouted moon that's the Cohen I will explain more about it and share some of my thoughts about it in the next podcast episode. Thanks again for listening and until next time.

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What Can We Hold On To?

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What Can We Hold On To?

"Welcome to the yo. Koji then mountain center podcast every month. We share at least one new talk on the practice of zen buddhism at c. m. c. dot org slash podcast. You can also find us on itunes spotify and all other podcast apps if you find these talks to be valuable. Please consider supporting yoko. Cheap by donating cam c dot org slash tony. We rely on your support to continue sharing this life-changing practice thank you. We hope you enjoy the talk. Good morning good to go see well can. Can you hear this sounds like it. So we're here would just finishing up the training period on obviously those times for heating practice and time so cool in it down so with century into that cooling down face but What's most important is just to thank the the list of characters in the training period so this was Joke is first time of running the The training period needed a really good job As i expected. I cannot just went. It went to expectations. Then he didn't fail in that way and also to To staff She stolid y'all bouts had trainee to mock who was thrown into tens of did a good job and nobody died. So you know that's always a positive on those lines and say gakuen came up and joined us for the entire training period from the Long beach chess soto's and temple And then everybody that that helped to support it during this period and that gratitude anything like it. It's important because without without people ascend to wouldn't run and obviously for all of you that have participated in whatever way that you could today. I want to talk about. The supreme way knows no difficulty from the blue cliff record case to simply because it seems very reflective reflected with reality so i will start with the with this case then. Hopefully they'll be helpful. As some kind of encouragement so the introduction the universe contracts the sun moon and stars go black even if blows of the cane shall light rain and shouts thunder. The still doesn't measure up to the business of the transcendent methodology of zen. Even the buddhas of the past present and future can only know for themselves. Even the zen masters through the ages have been able to bring it up entirely the entire buddhist. Canon cannot explain it thoroughly. Even zen assists with clear is come. Selves saved themselves completely. When you get to this point how do you ask for instruction even to speak the would. Buddha is dragging in mud soaking wet. Even say the woods then is a total embarrassment. More developed people who have stood it for a long time. Do not need to wait for it to be sad. As for the youngest students who are just beginning they should investigate thoroughly the main case. Joe said the supreme way is has no difficulty it just dislikes choosing a soon as thera would spoken. This is discrimination. This is clarity. I don't. I don't remain within clarity. Can you value this without reservation. The mon cast since you do not remain within clarity. What do you preserve joe shoe said. I don't know that either the monk said since you don't know why do you say you're not in clarity. Joshi said you've posed your question. Now you can go. That's what happens when you've been around for a long time. You can do that kind of thing. Thus the supreme way knows no difficulty. The words australia the speech is straight. One has many kinds to have no duality at the horizon. The sun rises the moon sets before the balustrade the mountains deepen and the water chills when consciousness. The skull how can enjoy exist. The dragons howland. The with the tree is not evaporated difficult. Difficult discrimination or clarity. See for yourself. So that story the case in its entirety. You know one of the one of the things that we tend to zen buddhism in general is that we tend to raise the value of things. So where we say. The supreme way in many ways is like this the the supreme burrito or the the supreme. Whatever you get from from a a restaurant when you when you go to get stuff it doesn't it doesn't make it any different than what it is So when he says the supreme way is not something else. That's this album. The supreme ways the way the cia each one of us is an has an does again on a momentary basis but usually again uh disease as human beings is to Wants something else is better than what we already have. You could say the entire Teaching of the buddha's baselessly around getting to appreciate what we already our human beings and obviously in his first statement there is recorded This is this has been our robot sucession. You know so. That is the the the week. The sat down decided not to move until he's quest was salted out at the end of that he came up with a couple of sentences. Wonder one does i. All beings the great earth The wisdom and virtue of the way and one to thus snus and then walk probably is more important to us as human beings is bought because of our upside down thoughts. We've we failed to see it. You know and again is that in many ways. That's our condition not only are we conditioned by writings where conditioned by the way that were raised also conditioned by schooling to to look for something else something bad and the majority of our practices related to really examine. If those things are true because quite often they just occur on automatic so where he says you know. The supreme way knows no difficulty do you. That's the first they do. You know no difficulty. Can you say that your own life is the supreme way you know or is it. Is it the The the inferior way all the the way that that has very little body. No i'm just asking these things. Could it's important because quite often. We don't even question what we take on. I was looking at this. This whole Preface and in this in this case. And and you know again we quite often use highfalutin language. We don't usually use in daily life where he goes. The universe contracts the sun moon and stars go black. Even a blows of the cane can can show light. Rain shouts like thunder still does not measure up to the business of the transcendent methodology. Ah is that. We do do transcendent methodology old. You live what is that. Methodology is important to look at these things because if it stays in the realm of highfalutin language. It's never going to a see that this is. This is my life on a on a momentary basis. What does it transcend. The methodology is kinda is kinda funny on one level is the zone in itself is designed to bore you to tears until those those ideas notions beliefs. No longer kick in so boring. You see them over and over and over and over and over until is like enough. that's it is reality. let's take it. That's a lot better than than running these promises over and over and over since like listening to recent political speeches. you know. It's just it doesn't need to happen this. The experience of reality informs as owes so much in terms of our own. our own. our own being and that transcendent what are we transcend in again. All of our condition it going above it and then acting in accord with reality. that's the basis of Of zen practice where it goes the universe contracts does it. I've never seen contract. I've never seen expanding. You know the the physicists. Say there is expanded then occasional sale knows contracting but does that affect our reality is actually going on. There are experiences of darkness but these highfalutin languages like ags eminem and see if they're really true and it's not true few at this moment in time. Just leave him in the background. Don't just take the mom as well. Maybe i'll see that later is just just put it on one side and come back and this is the beauty of of joe shoes teaching right here. He's just saying as it is. The supreme way knows no difficulty is simply avoids some translation you pick and choose him here. They say discrimination but if human beings yeah we discriminate. We do all kinds of all kinds of stuff but you know what is this supreme way. That knows no difficulties. What is that a major. One of us has gone through difficulties. you know. i'm pretty sure. I mean just just. We covered this a lot of difficulties. But what so what. He's talking about the supreme way. The way of the human. The way of the transcendental methods of said no snow difficulties. What is that now when you you know when i when i look into into my own my own and is the i go to sleep at night. I don't die. That's an amazing thing. You know thing. I wake up in the morning. And the blood's pumping the aisa blinken. You know the the has grow in the nails grow and the skins that it's you know the is all working is all working fine. I don't have to do about it. Consciousness occurs you know. Come out of out of nowhere to sleep and then seeing is that hearing is tasting is that touching. Is that all of these things without difficulty. This is the aspect is really that. That's really being emphasized. Amd at the same time is the the sun rises over here and goes over that every day the earth shows you know when we really look at. It is nothing this missing. Out of this. Where is the difficulty in it. That's usually in the human realm. I'm not saying there's no. We don't go through challenges but on the basic level all the time. We're being supported by this this universe and that's the great way can't be any greater is not is not greater or lesser is that everything is in this but quite often again is the up with our thought processes again. That the buddha's things book because of our upside down views failed to see it. When i become something when i attain something when people treat me with respect when you know when i'm old when i get a bit more time there's always excuses rod them. Whatever is filling this moment. In time is the practice in itself is the way in itself later on is the set show when he's talking about this case or give us an insight into it is going even to bring in the would. Buddha is light dragging be dragged through the mud folks oil but a means is awakened so what happened was the became awakened. I mean how can you tell he was awaken. You know wanting wasn't asleep and to you you could tell that. He acted in a coat without awakening. Simple as that. There was nothing else that he needed to do. And he valued it so much because of the reduction in suffering in his own life and the insight into that that basic aspect of knows no difficulty that continued. That's why people came to study with him. You know this This this enlightenment really is is the colony of of the of the whole of buddhism. Just just take off a little bit more from From this introduction What are we going. He goes even when you say the woods and it is a total embarrassment. More developed people have studied for a long time. Do not need to wait for it. To be set you know again. People will say. Well zen practices and doing this for me and you know well throw it away. You know i mean what is what is then but it is living in itself. you know. it isn't something you place over the top of it. you know. even you know coming coming from Being raised as a as a christian is the the will didn't change. Because i became a dissed or zen buddhist or a soto zen buddhist the the same mystery that was that in christianity was that will me as a as a buddhist. It doesn't matter what label you put on. The pig is still a pig you know. Is that this practice is living in his self. Is the focus of practice so web. Well i gave up practice. How how did he do that. You'll living the practice. How are you practicing avoidance. Because you can do that. You know yeah i was avoid in really looking into my own nature but here i am you know how. How do you stop doing that. That this the practice in itself really when when it comes down to the prices human being is is seeing value in appreciating of being grateful. For what what we what we will born with our own birthright and. That's why the buddha can set you know i all beings. The earth are the wisdom and virtue of the away wants us nece being awake in that. How do we really do that. Most of the time is then. We'll lost in in in a realm of faulk about about who i am what i do where i'm going who my friends saw. All of these things overlaying this basic great way the here again on a momentary basis once that basis is seen the great way in itself breath and nothing really gets in the way you can think about all kinds of stuff because that's always the basis this matter what's going on in the head the head really cannot work out this world now when you look at it and in that respect is the you know how can you ever work countless world the philosophist since beginning. This time have been trying to do that. You know none of them came up with a definitive answer. Even a plan. They came up with some words. You know we'll get lust in those words but the head kind of encompass all of this we are already the that occur you know and it says this. In buddhism there is the one who sees as their objective seeing and there is the vehicle of seeing and that happens with each of the sentences so everything is included within within the scheme will exponentially again is where where do you draw the lines between yourself and others guinness great and it's funny that that that chinese character grade it isn't as opposed to small. It's just great. It's not like there's something else it's just in the same way you know. He's like people come in and they'll say well. I'm trying to find my true south. You know the thing is. There isn't a there isn't a false south that stat go. Because if you can't find self and bring out you fall self even if you lie in it that is exactly what it is at that point in time but still you know. We don't own up to being that wisdom wisdom virtue of the wakeham long to thus knows somebody was telling me you know i might zoom euros. She would say you can forget about the virtue but then somebody was saying that the roots of that would that you basically means the as business of you know so then you can bring that back in. It doesn't really need to. He's not like you have so much high verge you from doing. All these good works is the asses of stuff. So joe says this statement and is always is always nice. That he'd he doesn't have a bunch of Yes people in with him. You know they ask questions. I mean it's not like yes. I agree with the great leader. These guys know they come along. Well well knows. No difficulties simply dislikes choosing and the guy comes off and he says let me really is hoping that lost. The question supremely has no difficulties. He just rejects discrimination. As soon as that are words spoken. This is discrimination. This is clarity. There's discrimination case goes i do not Remain within clarity. Do you value this without reservation. Do you value this with now. Is he saying Devalued this these words or is he saying do value. They this moment in time without reservation. Now this is this is important value this without reservation. And then you know. Don't just buy into that. Because that's a good thing to do is is that true. Do i value this without reservation. And then a least if your reservations are out on the surface you can see them than just aktin was subroutine underneath. So then somebody that you know has some insight says since you don't remain within clarity. What is that to preserve. So how many is this. Is this a good thing. Been in clarity made. I've heard this over and over with you know with with With zen teaches resent students. Yeah that was. That was really clear. I i was very pleased. You're in the session during this retrieve you know i was very clear but can you do that. And your daddy. Life is clear all the time. My zoom roy she would Would one of his favorite analogies with stay the hazy moon you know trump Lied the bright. Some sunlight of wisdom miocene mira suicide. Nothing can pass to hazy moon of enlightenment. Now what is it. I mean you look at a hazy moon is you see a clear moon you can. You can make it out pretty well but you see hazy moon is go like big corona on it and sometimes it's like huge that corona is always colas in it and yet is indistinct. It's hard to make it out now. Is that more light life than pure clarity. you know. make clarity's nice. I remember going in and give an answer to a call with my sumiyoshi. And he goes way to clear you call win way to clay you know. Sometimes things not clear there indistinct yet. The other day thought a sore mountain lion but could have been a bob cat. I mean it's nice to be clear but it is what it is and then i did see mount line a monday. She's nice so he goes. I don't know that either is it. Clear is unclear. Is it necessary to really draw those lines. A b in a state human beings you know we vary sometimes we. We may be relaxing. Like you know. Like i was saying now. The training periods coming to an end and that bringing concentration too most activities is being burnt-out. Now go in and join that those periods of relaxation. Then if something happens you may be lost in full boom minds right back into clarity. Should the mind stay fixated in clarity and even using the woods fixed of excited on clarity. It's not like it should be that way either. We do what we do. Each one of us in a way that feels right to was so that we can illumine the human condition. That's the bullet. it's not that he transcended the human condition. Is he learned how to how to live. Now if you look at athletes nowadays you know is the they can be very. They can be very clear. The energy can be made very clear. They got focused. But then they're also encouraged then to relax the mind so that it is not breathless. Not tied again. You know this is in terms of method this is. This is what joe shoes putting forward. Don't stick to these things. See how the mind works and then allow concentration to conform to whatever it is that you're doing now it's like a light nowadays. I really don't like concentrate concentrate. It's not not that. I don't do it. It's just. I rather have the mind relaxed and then when i need to concentrate and concentration comes in and then as soon as that's done to relax so i'm not holding onto a concentration but the concentration of being is in itself the basis of that then it comes in and then lots then ways of concentration can be can come in of their own accord just in the same way as if i'm dealing with with little kids and my concentration is along those lines you know and is more the energies up a lot more. If if i'm dealing with people Maybe maybe sick than the energies a lot. More concentrated and focused on on how that those people are. If i'm working on a a a problem of of how to to handle something then the the energies opened a hat am working on scenarios and working on how the inexperience comes in in that way. That's another kind of concentration. Math is very clear comes in those. Those things goes so the concentration is different in many different ways but as the basis of this is just the being south. The great way knows no difficulty. That's the very container. The contains sadness happiness joy. Anger sadness everything. The single everything that is in the human condition can come and go as needed as necessary empathy. All of these things are that. So this oman. Distant dwelling clarity. Yeah when we talk about things that are indistinct and in kladno that they're not. They're not clear maybe they'll they'll be a gathering of information from people around. They are part of that. Great container to and then maybe something can come up where action can be made in the midst of that so again What i'm trying to say is have the mind of on. Which is this true what he's saying just because he's zen master from You know twelve hundred years ago who was highly regarded by others. Masters see for yourself and see. If that's true don't let your innate wisdom sh- get suppressed simply by the brilliance of that event rhodesian on their action. This is really important to do. You know issue each of us has this this slight or this This wisdom and it's important to exercise it. That's how we become better dealing with our environment and the people that are there in it. So i like this song. Because he's like. I can is like a terrier you know you just like grab the ball and he won't let go no matter how much you tug on it you know. It's just he wants to win. This wants to win which is actually good mentality in this way. He no okay. I don't know that either. So you know. That's that's josiah. I don't know we'll see we'll see when this occurs is not that i draw lines in concentration. Either you know it's like concentration is consciousness in itself. It can be brought up a pitch or it can be taken down but always it is consciousness in new south. Either relaxation can be conscious. Shenice dislike Contemporary teacher kyodo rosie used to be docu when he lived in israel and then he went to new york and then he went back and ran. What zoo reattach a temperament mission mine in japan but one of these students when he was in new york cast him. I'm having trouble concentrating. And so Qudos she said well jeff tool concentration concentrating when you watch tv or read the newspaper and he said no goes. Okay meditate light that you you can laugh but this is really good. skillful means. I don't have any problem when i'm watching. Tv just a minute with whatever's going on or read in as yet absorbed in it that says n accepts ause ended when nothing is going on which is important. Because that's the very container for tv for all of these things for working the the playing old you know so it's slight us what you have. It's like when a when i became administrators e. cla i asked my zoom euro. She had been in administrator. How should i do. He said okay. Do it like a cop injury. He like you build a house case we need foundations so foundations. Get the people the right people in the right place. You know bill build the wolves get an ethical standard this going on and a work and a work ethic and and so whatever your skill is you can apply it to to whatever's there it doesn't have to be something the outside your experience and each person that's called as added their own thing to to the work the work that's going on on a daily basis. Some areas go up some areas. Go down the. The main thing is make the attempt do that. Be that in time is that it becomes traceless in the fact is you can't follow these all standards and it's not the standards were good. They're excellent but the problem is is you have to enter that traceless with one's own consciousness on a momentary basis. You can't put it into a box mino- so anyway. The the monk carries on then again. He's like the terrier. Since you don't know why do you say you're not in clarity's a damn good question since you don't know i've come. You say you don't dwelling clarity. That's really good because again he's the you put in a label on it. He's saying that joe shoo. Who is this. Time is probably think he started when he was about seventeen or eighteen maybe even younger at his first realization and taught until he was one hundred and twenty from from eighty two hundred and twenty four years of teaching that you know and he gets somebody is a little got a whip that that just won't go on. He's great that this this guy doesn't but then joe shoes so much about him that you know when a lucy really doesn't matter you know he. He is who he is thoroughly. The great way is who. He is thoroughly sue. Win or lose really. Doesn't matter is a win win situation. Hope all the way through he goes. You've you've post. Your question is great. Now you can leave. And the thing is he could be upset. You know he sounds like he's groups that you've asked a question the no it's just like you know i'm i'm done i don't wanna i don't enter into this woods. Too much of an in an in reality woods ought to much. You know we say well. Why did you bring in these analogies. Why you do that. Because the entertain us entertain us. What a way then to entertain that part knows who it is who we are and it brings that one to the surface if we don't question it and we and we don't take it or we take it for granted than it never really never rated raises up. We never really appreciate at aspect you know. It's just like with even even warm would it. Can changes can change the way that we view life and reduce. Oh friend you know and is saying that we're at the you know the this for us is is ro hat soon in a few in a couple of weeks it'll be real hot soon as the buddha's enlightenment book but why you know we've two thousand five hundred years has been this this practice. Why am again. The main thing is is reduce the level of suffering some people. They've gone right to the bottom than many people is. Just stop some of those those behaviors that causes suffering and everywhere in between along. So you know. He's like the whole of the buddhist teaching is intact for today is not the it is sort of degenerates in gun. A gun down as always available for his twenty four seven so we have the opportunity to actually practice that and again. Don't get confused that we all the great way so live it thus the important part doesn't necessarily have to be on the realm of Cognitive thought it can be just in doing and being and just submerging into whatever it is that we do so this point. I'd like to just open it up. And we can go on from there casey. You can anew yourselves you can use the raise hand and i'll open up chat as well. Leinna go ahead joke. I in about five minutes. you'll takeover. Yeah i'm going to pass over joke too because Ces is his training period. Good morning rushie. Immonen leinna thank you so much for your talk. I just wanted to see to perfect time to this time in our experience as I mean i'm not trying to repeat what you said You know so much time can't but so much of this time present so many of us with what we think our difficulties but for me. It's not acceptance and sundays segment added than others. And i just wanted to acknowledge your choice of. Yeah thank you. I never know what i'm going to talk about. So thank you jane. I honor so you mentioned highs lou language and on some i feel like or all the time show like cohen on contain language yet inaccessible on i hear it you know is to stop thinking mine but when you bring them down on it makes them accessible to me and i was just bring like why you could. You can do that too. You can do that too as well you know. It just takes a bit of time. Had why not be so moved. Intimidator arranged marriage will come it light in a light. What does this mean. What does it really mean. And then if some of the woods even if he if you're not sure what what that may look them up in the dictionary and then you know and then just internalize them. What's going on here. And then you will find a way through those things and it may take some time though. That's it means something to be. Dozen are the Other masters you know that the monks asked questions to are. They sometimes trying to be cryptic. Well you know. The concerned about us as human beings and abou- not really appreciate what is our birthright so most most of that collins are around this now they put them in different words scenario simply because then it doesn't become a cliche and we've got to use that inquiry. You know what is this. What's going on just like if we enter into a situation that we've not been in before we tend to be very aware you know we may not like it but we tend to be more aware that full We learned to carry like deeper a broader energies. Thank you thanks. Jane joke is going to take over now so please please ask him about something. Somebody's just getting is just something else to hold me. I everyone else right. We have a hand up. Okay appear you to yourself a load of that morning kind of morning or afternoon. now yeah. Sorry sorry allergies the the concept of god and the soul which is different. Is it different from zen buddhism. I mean it it it. It seems it's so disturbing the the fact that there's guard why Why ebbing on your cell phone. So panelists Yeah well i'll take it as a ticket as a question thinking In the practice because we tend not to cherish any kind of fixed view ought to try and distill things into into until a one explanation or one way i had. I talked to somebody a few years ago. Who had Who lost lost to parents and they said that they were hoping of. They really wish they could see them in heaven one day and they felt a little bit guilty about it as zen student. The having thought and and and that person asked me to. Do you think that's crazy. And i said to myself i said no. I hope you you see them to you. Know it's it's more. It's much more in the realm of of don't know rather than projecting of a firm belief that may not may or may not match reality much better to be sure immersed in in this present experience because if we can align with this then we can align with that whatever that is so questions of god and unsold difficult to fix all our answer in any specific way. It's it's more important for each person to penetrate that question for themselves to the being satisfied waiting to see if god struck me down. Dad say not. But i'm still so where. Okay thank you you the near any funder thanks yeah liam liam can unlike didn't give my name being pulled out there. I joke yeah gets to see a live from island. Prostate share. Dark dr has has you know. Doc is a pint of guinness. Yeah guess dry november. Anyway i could have the entice consecutive roche. The attention was talking about cutting out until sonata gives Besides drink finance pass. No cutout drink is always good at unwanted noticed. State the question of clarity and suffering to me me. It seems likely five. If i can find clarity. I'm very close to watch in in zim Snus president of the fatal connected to the the being this and then the the unclarity day confusion is to do it suffering of. It's very easy. I find i get lost in confusion. Always looking for the clarity. A practicing to be in that cone is to nearly surrender excepts. Don't you know don't go. Don't go looking for the time because you already have sh- be rich. It's sad to say. I mean as the certainly a Something of a linear process to practice as well. And you know this is A mutual conversation. That's going on between the two protagonists in in the call on this well in order to discuss clarity or this clarity on the don't know i think the most offers we again from a place of confusion or dissatisfaction and use the the method the time honored method in all to promote uncreative concentration and clarity in order to better That's a look at what is really going on the free process. Then it's not a place that we don't stay in Escape the everyday life in order to stay in the place clarity but through the realization clarity then not opens up to including Confusion this clarity. And every other thing that arises. But there's a close Alignment with life being just as it is and more and a trust in that the comes from having explode the territory formerly that way you can Be in. I'll be in confusion but before you before you before you explore thoroughly than confusion may may be may feel like a trap and free practice. Sometimes clarity can be trapped too. So you know there's something it's it's it's the irony of beginning on home plate and ending on home plate but everybody has to run the bases themselves take. It is kind of irony. Confusion confusion in the irony of stop looking status. Dogs don't don't project dunks you know indoor as i don't live in time and space if the present moment but we are conditioned to live in time space. We have this. You know has suffering that. We've been haddish's were were on your journey of towards you know suffering and you know it's it's a. It's a finite journey subsidized saddam looms in our consciousness. As well and it's it's hard to let go of the you know data case today to you know crooks which is to just forget about the journey to don't be on a journey just be air program. Yeah yeah but again. It's in many ways. Many wonderful teachings collins teaches both both living and dead who very khun very clearly point out and say to trust the ground on defeats to to really look at this place and that's all it needs to be done but in order to really realize that we do training periods and rowlatt sucessions gives. It's it's It's hard to swallow those words. Those words of that to guide and reassure and provoke in auditor Relentlessly turn it back on this one that we are to to really to examine this ground. You know so. It's hard to just to hear that. And then make that leap. Okay now. i'm going to take that on and say myself twenty grinding effort. You know. I mean all power to anyone who does not. That's great but for most of us. It's it's Daily showing up to practice and practicing with water is difficult over time. You know like Analogy if you hear sometimes zana going out in the rain you know you can go out in the rain and experience a quick fund the storm and it's lashing down and you get out to the skin and happens in a couple of minutes and that might happen then often it's like going out for a walk in a in a light so can rain which you barely notice and you go for a long walk and you come back soaked. Yes and it's not like it's not like an and the may be so this this some of both belan find all right all across a mind that she was a could sit on a bar. Stool can find guinness field. Claris not gone away ads. I can. I can force shorten ways. If she don't mean by the right prints at the by by realty been relaxed really obeying leitner not taking it serious right in some ways that it's it's kind of it's it's a it's a lightness. Whereas the relentless practice seems to be a kind of a grind he can be beneath to these things in our sapper affixed in in that way. You know so it's not. It's not a choice between hop practice. All leaping old some some clarity much better to to enjoy it all no matter how it appears if that's you know while we're live and it's important to enjoy and appreciate it to wever. It's clear or not you know we don't have to have such a perhaps a big investments in it looking certain way whatever it to cherish clarity over confusion and you're right you can sit on. The boss still have one guinness and the feel like a lot of clarity but may stop at wall much more difficult to have a lot of clarity of you sitting there too long. Yeah enjoy enjoyment is definitely Like a big pie all clarity. You know to to enjoy to appreciation of gratitude. All those things are saved emanate from of connection and clouds. It's important you feel out to too shabby to thank you. Good to see didn't have a question. Looks like it's been answered but just the translation of the blue cliff record. And if you hold up. The book of secrets of the blue cliff by thomas cleary. I remember this coming out. Had lifted yoko g for a few years secrets of the blue cliff. Game out and as excited. Because i was just about to start working on the blue cliff and thought there'd be lots of hacks in that would get me through it quicker than i realized it was. Just you know kind of title. So terry continue tiny afternoon since he can. After noon really liked the example the row she talked about the And I was just thinking that in the obviously yours times i m really about something really confused about something but see soon as i develops clarity over through practice that your study from on i am not getting to attach to because some sometimes it seems better unclear about charity. Men just do what is natural little zest again. Conservative roots here just to do what was shoeless each dried. Yeah yeah i. I think you bring up a point. Is that sense of Appropriate response when you when you live in a way that is basically presence and responsive to the environment and the people in things that make up the environment the naturally you see what the function of this moment is. What needs to be taken care of what you need to do that. That's a clarity in a sense. But it's not necessarily. It's not doesn't need to be in intellectual clarity right. Okay yes i understand that. It's say oh well you know. I took you point. Yeah minutes more more sensitive of relaxed on not having to full. Servings we're comfortable. Yeah thank you. Thank you good to see. You has gone along any other questions right now. No riches on this to richard message phone rich. Yeah there you go and then add rich and at you need to need to meet. Struggle struggle dot com. The great way is not difficult. Doesn't just dislikes pitying choosing just simply that dislikes Over divulges if i look at it from look at it from a standpoint of zaza with picking and choosing when where and when when the period begins then we have all kinds of Or at least an appearance of content. Right things come and go and faults internals accent rentals and as a as you well as you well know if we pick and choose any we start to pick and choose the contents and not you know the the the more cherished faults of most seductive voices that appear had of the deepest stories of those kinds of things are if we prefer it to be quieter allowed of an is or a different temperature than immediately we're wherein picking and choosing and we've begona a also with reality which Reality is that the fight. Right so i mean it's very clear to see it in zan. The again as as you know won't stop. there's no line that's cross when you emerged from from zaza zaza everyday practice. You know it's just that The activity has changed. And the appearance of contents has changed the dan vizo as fat opportunity all chance to go one way or the yoga with the content of with wet web picking and choosing his brought tibet. That's more data more more. I see you know it's very easy. We have only cliches of. It is the way that it is okay. Great in hearts like are it's just this or it's our it's so that's human nature that's tends to be for difficult to swallow because we we by nature we tend to tend to strive but frou frou frou. The refinements of our practice is much more skillful choice over how to experience reality and want to put you up against. I always reminds me of the serenity. Prayer not way saif inc at like ponsa data their live code to change things that you can and to allow the things that you can't change and then the wisdom to know the difference. Yeah yeah. I don't know if you have to add in if you see it differently from a different you know and if you will that don't see what it is and use on the train to urge and all the sudden you know there's problem is decided you know what it is. I just don't like this all of a sudden right. Yeah lots of choice. Where we we have a agency over. Sometimes we choose to suffer. We have agency. Oh sure excursion you have to say about that for shit. Thank you again. Yeah so we get a little tiet fine. Thank you yeah. That's that's the satellite broadband. We have it doesn't give you a very clear picture of me. I was wrong pitchers. You look very awake in a reacting really related other labeling nicely those things utah Wanted to ask him so teach teach writes in local community college. And it's always so the question about clarity too much clarity and learning lennon. Assess skills you Work with usually very intimidated by rights in the abilities. It's wall writes in his succeed in solo after diglis trying to disabuse Clarity's already half which always feels the crew could distribute things of to do quite wealthy. we All the sultan said generalizations. That been it in high school with your some of the go Guests i was. I was very taken with tintri tension. She said he said Concentration east consciousness either way round consciousness. He's concentration of wounded. You'll take on his the frequent cell. Capacitive watch six six while. Yeah well you said about having students at school and then break those things down which they already know a may have a good idea about doesn't sound dissimilar to train in arizona center. Either a slight usually when you come into a as follows and training situation knows those things you tend to be shaken up challenged and broken down a the myself. I think it's important to too when you relocate concentration similar tower. We we're talking about clarity is to not have that. The clearly defined thing you know also been monolithic. That's that's concentration it that there is a whole spectrum of concentration and as a matter of Appropriate concentration fall a presence expression. I what what is what is be appropriate concentration for a in this case you and i talking to each over over over su. I'm concentrating on on your on your question listening. I'm watching you. You know 'cause you take cues so to face and try listen and then and then respond and concentration there and we have other people who are who i think. Listen it and there's a level of concentration there and to this particular this fall matt and this experience of reality and it matches it matches directly and does he needs to be considered up right so the row midnight mid rallies. Not the right word to use your. You know inappropriate conduct inappropriate. Fullness concentration a destructive desire. Remember one time account was called the the a brief period of beginnings nine improving is not in session and the teacher was at the time of grease name would have been Eighteen it was fairly daily food. An older gentleman remember which with another edward it joker of it worked out that way. I russia sweeping on ended the brochures they often we were on the on. The stone passed Entertainments into gate by desire shall sleep in la la Ha you know. 'cause you get you get a scrape. How the malta. Slurs while the austrian the news of the pricks together the rocks. Give the stones together. I thought i was doing job. Really focus on this on this sweeping business doing a great job car in fact come around just so creates another good job. Since then i saw all thin without Phone concentration up to time. She can do damage by baynton. Tuned focused on saving mature. I say go as far as to say it's it's it's inappropriate but as always is always room there for a refinement. You do a good job with the sweep and but you're not familiar with the territory and don't really see in your in your sphere of been up to the weekend you know you're not really So conscious of the little cracks in the mall to the formed over the years in which we have may have noticed after eating lunch in that spot for the last several years. So you see as far as your eye of practice reaches as master dog would say and then someone who is more familiar with the task. The perhaps so sees what you're doing is able to to add another another layer there and fruit being exposed to that you can refine you practice and adjust to concentration appropriately in order to match the job. That's quiet so every everyone's learning in that in that situation someone say it's like oh it's inappropriate but there's always room to to learn but sometimes we hold our concentration to tie. That's that's for sure. I know for myself. I still do chance which you have done for years. And if i if i have to if i try to think about them at and what i'm going to do and to concentrate then i'll mess him up and if i don't think about it because it's been involved and i allow concentration to take over than venit than if tends to flow much more easily so it's trust in experience about just allow allowing your your mind to conform to the to the environment like calibration you. Yeah yeah for many of those off. Human beings is slightly trust to calibrates that we have between our ears. We tend to lean on that much more and often overthrow staff where we calibrate in everything. Through a scheme of fault you know both bend fruit through the embodiment azan be being present. Much more can be given over to More intuitive concentration are trust. You'll be able to match the reality of you stood wanna say reality just may not life because one of the things solved as you were talking about he chanted of is going to go by half of recited the we're doing now by walks young man. It will not be a nightmare and nobody was it to be full. Details make a recite riders. Alami several recites exhau- that good reciting his you. I say In that said if a style thinking about ginday ryan getting wrong than almost always get it wrong. But if i let it come round downs go back and forth gets to go up and finally go beyond it again. You know combined to look at the congress occasionally Huge children so quiet. So while while i can say that yeah okay here in this open fight not concentrate to hide a nice relaxation matching calibration But what if you just wrong into this place if only midway. That's concentrated today easy but it's actually the text of it lists been wrong. Yeah well it's much more important to enjoy. You are could be happy than instant right. You know i have about sometimes. I like singing lyrics. Swim in the car and lima. Sunlight supply a lot of music and any direct me. And neil say you know that's not the words and then lay out go along without for a while then then i'll get a little irritated and say you know i don't casual sort of just the words. I'm yeah exactly yeah. It doesn't really. It doesn't really matter so so we have lean into all wanted to be accurate wanting to be rights. Wanted to do it in the correct way but again you know what's more apps more important to have. War is promoting benefit. I'm promoting peace and freedom and how life the that goes way beyond Right or wrong is a bit of a cover of low just just including just banned these like yeah right yeah exactly crying destructive believe this election scientific know that still able you know like those be laughing elusive very evil any like how'd you figure out that what you believe is in a way wrong or evil you just whistling demonstrate the planning over what people happened so Happiness is the answer in contentious cases. You needs to be critical. Show you yeah. That's really changed the way deadly not considered Just while the balance between between waged will again you know it's not an Arrival at one place you have to match while what resonates for. You can't live that way so it's way with teachings two things that come in and you feel helpful. Apply a knows. Things not helpful. Don't useful this. you know. we're not not trying to sell you a vacuum cleaner. Now you brought up the elections so now you can leave. Thanks ed thank you. He wouldn't take one more. It's just come on one more. I'd stewart i'm are okay. Let's off yes joke. I think everybody. So yeah my question is just this. I am thinking about this term boaty saba and i'm wondering if this idea of being good versus being ability sought the is somehow connected to this case in the concept of maybe there being a closer relationship to the path to having a path. It is not difficult if you are someone who is on the path as kind of ability. Softbank someone who is on the path someone who is seeking like monroe the verge of awakening or you know rather than being one better other than being a gouda. And i don't. I just don't know climbing. It's my thoughts are taking me somewhere. That's irrelevant or not. Well if it's if it's relevant you to explore that and then we should explore off myself. I don't really draw drawer aligned. Tween a buddha rana bodey safa think buddhism bodey sarah's and bodey safas abode his might just put a different emphasis on those who are On the way in the scheme of practice you know but even buddha's it's not. It's not a matter of the arrival at the the golden enlightened place and then you finally graduated from your body sat hud and now you can you know you can enjoy. Enjoy life the rava. Y-y-you everyone here you here in this room on zoom different countries and different places. Every body is is a practice in Bodey safa and everybody here is a is a buddha thirty we practice because there is a Depths about realization that i realized buddha's on on nara unreal high sparta's one of the things that are really like about attention. Rochus teachings is that. He seems to emphasize lofty idea of living. And for me that is something that really resonates with me particularly. Because i don't see the concept of what i've learned is called a stone buddha as being something that's desirable to me our even something that's relevant to the kind of asset. I'd like to lead us when i was trying to make sense of this Cohen here hearing it and reading the long. That was the kind of idea that came to mind. Is maybe if this great master show shoe. Could you know not reside in clarity. Maybe that's a way of not being still a and again. That's just kind of thought that reminded kind of interpretation that i want to check in with you know. It's not about becoming the enlightened walton and sticking staying in any in any place whatsoever. Joe jr massa joshi in this case is a clearly exhausted those physicians and going well beyond those kinds of views and is ravages somebody completely themself themselves and is a confidence in their own self confidence in october to lose in the sense. If you take the call on in that way where he says you questions while paul you know while done that you can go. You know into not doesn't even matter at that point about being so-called bested ravaged if you really are home in one south then again. It's not a matter of getting to a place of clarity or replace a concentration all or anywhere all but rather the assurance trust from Knowing who you are and living living your life very thank you very much. Thank you okay. Well thank you everyone. Thank you roshii. Bruin me in front of the camera for you. My added fall in the back of my head of who we might pulled me over here. So yeah yeah so yeah thank you thank you. Thank you to all support of the center. A support also of your families and friends and community in many spheres. That you that you move in. Please take as good. Carry yourself as you as you do others. I hope to see you in person when we get back to whatever the new normal is going to be thank you.

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138 - Sticky Hair Monster

Secular Buddhism

28:00 min | 5 months ago

138 - Sticky Hair Monster

"Hello, and welcome to another episode of the secular Buddhism podcast. This is episode number one, hundred and thirty eight I am your host, Noah Rochetta, and today I'm going to talk about sticky hair monster and the battle against our thoughts and emotions. Keep in mind you don't need to use what you from Buddhism to be a Buddhist. You can use what you learn to be a better whatever you already are. If you're new to the podcast episodes, one through five are a good place to start to get an intro to all of the key concepts ideas and teachings or you can visit secular dot com and click on start here. If, you're looking for an online community to practice with and interact with consider becoming a supporter of the podcast by visiting secular Buddhism dot, com and clicking on the top link. The says join our online community on Patriot on and something new to the community. We are now using discord and the discord APP and platform allows us to engage in a much more efficient way. We have chats around different topics, podcast episodes, and all things related to Buddhism life in general. So if you're looking for a community. Join us. there. Now let's get started with the podcast episode. So in the last podcast episode, the Zenko on shared is called Joe Shoes. Mu. And I want to share a couple of thoughts about this. The the Cohen itself goes like this Joe Shoe was a famous Chinese and master who lived in Joe Shoe the province from which he took his name one day a troubled monk approached him intending to ask the master for guidance a dog walked by the monk asked Joe Shoe has that dog a Buddha nature or not? The monk had barely completed as question when Josue shouted Mu. So I want to share some thoughts and he starts come from the Book Zenko on's, and this is a book written by Gyo May Kubo say the of all the Cohen's Joe. Shoes Mu is the most famous. It's extremely popular with Zen Masters who frequently assign it to novices if the student tens properly to business mu comes to resemble a hot iron ball stuck in his throat, he can either swallow it nor spit out the importance of shoes mu is it's succinct one syllable revelation of Buddhism. So little background here, and and and again, all of these thoughts come in from the book Zen Cohen's Baio Make Kubo say. He says, Mu, is the negative symbol in Chinese meaning not or no thing Mu. Is also a basic concept in oriental philosophy. There is a relative mu and an absolute mu, the relative mu and Chinese characters is the opposite of you. The letter you which means is the absolute mu of Zen Buddhism transcends is and is not in order to understand this Cohen. It is necessary to be aware of this distinction when the monk asked, Shoshu has that Dog Abboud nature not he was asking not only from the standpoint of his own troubled mind. But from the Basic Buddhist teaching that all beings have Buddha Nature Joe shoe realized this his Mu as an answer was a blow aimed at breaking or untying the monks attachment to that teaching. The essence of Buddha's teaching is non attachment. All human troubles and sufferings without exception are due to attachment even attachment to the idea of non attachment is attachment. Joe Shoe wanted the monk to transcend the relative world transcend the teachings, Transcend Mu, transcend Buddhism, and gain the free and independent world of enlightenment. Satori or enlightenment is this new dimension or perspective in life ordinary human life has always attached to the relative the is and the is not good and bad right and wrong. But life itself is constantly changing the condition of society changes right and wrong often changes. Every situation is different according to time and place. So static concepts are not appropriate to life this thus mu is crucial offers no surface upon which the intellect can fasten. The word mu must be experienced as the world of. Mu. So those are the thoughts from the book Zen Cohen's Baio Make Kubo say regarding the specific Cohen Joe Shoes Mu. And I I wanted to share this. Cohen because as the book mentions, it's most popular, perhaps the most famous of the Cohen's. But to have a little bit of background, you need to understand the answer. So essentially, what's happening here is you have a teacher who's being asked a question by a student by a novice monk and the question is so out of place because. You know the Buddhist teaching of Buddha nature is that all beings have buddha nature. So it's like someone coming law coming along and asking a very obvious question which he should know the answer to according to the teaching that all beings have Buddha nature. The answer to the question does a dog have Buddha nature is obviously yes. But josue knew that he was asking this question that should be obvious. So instead of giving the obvious answer, he gave the answer that the monk was not expecting by shouting Moo or no, or no thing. And in the tradition of Cohen's and in the tradition of Zan, this is kind of the shock and all approach the shock and awe is that that's not what I was expecting. So here you have this novice monk asking a question, get an answer that he's not expecting. And it leaves him confused and that's the exact state that Cohen's and oftentimes Zen in general want to leave you in because it's trying to break you free of the conceptualization 's that you're making in your own mind. So if I know the obvious answer is yes and I'm immediately the hearing shouting that the answer is no. What that does is at least me thinking wait a second but I, thought you know I I'm guessing that that's exactly what the monk did right away he was like wait but but you know and trying to recall but this teaching says this, and that's exactly what the the master would want to leave you. Very confused for a moment because in that confusion, you transcend the world of is or isn't To me, it's almost a way of saying. Let's entertain the question again, it was even an appropriate question. What is a was it a relevant? Because if it's not what benefit does it give you if if I were to answer the question for you and I think that's what the the master is in hoping to do here he's not answering the question. While he is answering the question with your not expecting, which is the only thing you can do to make someone really start to think and I would suppose that maybe this monk with time could walk away and realize, okay we'll that was dumb to ask him that because his answer doesn't matter what if the answer is now would if the answer is yes. So what what does that say about you and your Buddha nature I think that's along the lines that this Cohen was trying to go about at least that's how it it makes sense to me. So I like to think of this one and apply it to. My Day to day life you know the answers that we often seek to find about life are you could you could almost say it's silly questions. And I've experienced this firsthand right going through a faith crisis and then becoming a seeker and looking for another world view that might make more sense when you're on that path of seeking and you're looking for answers to life's big questions. Buddhism comes along and it does this. It gives you the answer Mu, which is to say you're not GonNa get the answer that you wanted and in not having the answer that you wanted you're only left with one option. Let's entertain the question. Where did the question come from? Does that question even matter what would happen if you did answer the question you know then what and I think that's what this Cohen does. It immediately brings you back to wait. Let me let me think about that question a little bit more. So, that is the Cohen Joe. Shoes Mu Hopefully, this is a co on that made you kind of think and will you'll remember this and future future instances where questions come to mind You can assign a little bit more value to the question a little bit less value to the answer and that to me is Buddhism in a nutshell it's all about the questions not so much about the answers. Okay. So with that said, I do want to share a couple of thoughts about a story old Buddhist story and I'm GONNA call this sticky hair monster I. Think the original story is called Prince. Five weapons. And I might be wrong but I, think this comes from the stories or tales I can't remember I came across it a long time ago. But I came across it again in a book called Buddha at bedtime. So, in the Book let me make sure your Buddha at bedtime. It has a lot of little stories and I I've been reading these stories for years. Now to my kids at night I went through a phase where every night we would read one. It's been a while since I've read one but one of the stories that really stuck to me is the story of. Sticky. Hair, sticky hairy monster, and it's become kind of a fun story that I revisit and play the game often with my youngest daughter who's four and we play this game and sticky monster, and she's trying to escape from sticky monster but I think there's a really valuable lesson in the story. So I want to share the story with you. This comes directly from the book Buddha Bedtime. And the story goes like this. It was a beautiful sunny afternoon when a boat. Prince Hector came from overseas into the harbor and before the young Prince left the vessel. The captain warned Him Your Highness while you have been away training to be a warrior, an evil monster called sticky hair has come to live in the forest. So I advise you not to take that route to the palace instead go the long way home around the mountains. Thank you for your advice replied hector but I'll be fine I. WanNa get home before sunset. And I have all my weapons I need them after all he thought I'm a trained warrior. I'm not afraid of a silly old monster and the young prince started a strode boldly on into the woods. Just as prince actor was beginning to think that the monster didn't exist he reached to clearing in the forest and there stood the most gigantic ugly creature. He had ever seen the monster was as big as a house and completely covered in matted hair. He looked like a living breathing very horrible haystack. The creature had a huge head and he stared at the prince with is as big as dinner plates too big Orange Tusk stuck out of his enormous mouth and his teeth were green and revolting his belly was big. And round like a beach ball and covered in large Pale orange spots, gir-. Sticky hair. What do you think you're doing in? My would little man you look like a tasty morsel and I'm going to eat you for dinner I'm not afraid of you you horrible old monster replied Hector I'm a warrior. I can easily defeat you with my sword I. Dare you to fight me swiftly as the wind the prince leaped forward and thrust his sword at the monster. But to his surprise, it just stuck to the creatures sticky hair. So the Prince left his sword there quickly rolled out of the way got to his feet and grabbed his bow. he shot Arrow after Arrow at the monster but like the sword, each one just became tangled in his sticky hair the prince was astonished ha ha ha boom sticky hair. You're a very funny little man. You'll never beat me then he shook himself from his ugly head down to his big smelly toes and all the princes Eros dropped down to the ground hector now had only his. Club left for protection. So he swung it at the at sticky hair with all his might, but it too became caught in the monsters hair and was pulled from the prince's strong grip. I'm not defeated yet. He shouted my weapons may be useless but I'm young and strong and I'll fight you with my fists. He cried as he ran and leapt on the monster and got firmly stuck. Even now as Prince Hector dangled from the creatures sticky hair, he continued to act fearlessly so much so that the monster started to wonder exactly what gave him such courage why are you not afraid of me little man I could gobble you up and a snap and a crack. He threatened fiercely still hanging from the monsters tangled hair hector was busy thinking about what to do next all of a sudden it came to him. He realized that he would have to use his brains to outwit the creature instead of his weapons. So he shouted up to sticky hair. I'll tell you. I am not afraid of you. My skin is coated in poison. So if you eat me, you'll die I dare you to eat me sticky hair didn't believe hector first but the more the prince insisted the more worried the monster became I'd like to eat him but I can't risk getting poisoned. He muttered reluctantly he pulled the prince from his matted coat and set him on the ground unharmed well, fearless little man you've. You've convinced me. You're telling the truth and I don't WanNa die so I suppose I'll have to let you go. He said grudgingly. Hector was delighted not only had he did the monster and saved his own life but he had also learned an important lesson that the most powerful defense had been inside him all along his own intelligence, not his strength and not his weapons. Looking up into the monster's big is the young prince said. I'm very grateful to use sticky hair, not just for releasing me but also for teaching me that I don't have to fight to be brave strong and clever. Would you like to know my secret? If you promise not to eat me, I'll tell you as a reward for sparing my life surprised sticky hair agreed although the monster had never been defeated until that day he had always been frightened of people. In fact, he had only attacked people to stop them from attacking him but now the creature was to learn to be fearless like hector. So he let the young. Prince become his teacher and friend and the strangest thing happened the more sticky hair learned how to use his brain the less he felt the need to harm others using his intelligence brought the creature great happiness, and gradually he was transformed from scary lonely monster into a friendly forest giant Prince. Hector, let all the local people know that the monster had completely changed and gradually they became his trusted friends bringing him food and living with him in peace and harmony, and the new eager to please sticky hair repaid their kindness by protecting them and guiding travelers safely through the forest. And then the book goes on to say, sometimes, it feels like there's no option. But to fight our way out of the difficult situation, a wise person knows that it's their intelligence, not their physical strength that will help them to win in the end. So. That's the version from the children's book Buddha Bedtime. The original story the way it was it's been shared and passed down the story of the print of Prince Five. Weapons. Is Essentially, stadium that The Of all the weapons you can possess the one that is more powerful than all the others is the mind and that's the old story of how Prince five weapons didn't kill sticky hair but instead taught him the ways of peace and enlightenment and their other little minor variations of the story So all in all the story of sticky monster for me has been a fun way to convey this concept to my kids that the moral of the story is that often the only way to win a fight is by not fighting. It's by using your your brain, your intelligence, and to me this somewhat echoes a little bit from the last podcast episode the idea of nothing being something oftentimes by doing nothing we are doing something. I think that in our culture were. Of the mindset of conquering of overcoming, and sometimes we approached Buddhism in this very same way it's like we're going to overcome the EGO and we're going to conquer are. The nece conquer are negative attributes, my thoughts and feelings and emotions that I don't like I'm going to force them out away from me. I'm going to win over them. And when we do that, we're setting ourselves up for the same mistake that the prince and sticky monster had which is sticky monster can't be beat. You can approach sticky monster with all the weapons you have, and the result is going to be the same they're going to get stuck in a doesn't do anything to this big monster. So, the harder that you try the harder harder that you fight. The it doesn't do anything you're still going to fail. But. What happens when we approached the situation from rather than overcoming with the understand with the with the attitude of trying to understand and trying to befriend, and this reminds me of the quote Pame. A show Dron says meditation practice isn't about trying to throw ourselves away and become something better. It's about befriending who already are. And I encounter this quite a bit in my interactions with podcast listeners and supporters who reach out and want to discuss specific situations or stances that they're going through in their lives and encounter this concept quite a bit with anger for example, where somebody is experiencing a set of circumstances causes and conditions that they're experiencing anger in their life and often they're angry at the fact that they're angry. Or you know if you're upset, you might be upset if you're not at peace and just kind of this interesting place to be because the only real piece that we can have comes when were at peace with the fact that we're not at peace and the reason that works is because life is always changing again like the Tetris game analogy. There's a new piece on the horizon every time the new piece shows up it's a whole new game. You're always plane the new game. And, that's exactly how life works. Life is always changing. You're always dealing with something new today it might be the loss of a job or the loss of a loved one or the flat tire on the road or the CO worker that is annoying you or you might be dealing with a really good job and you're happy with this or. You're dealing with a worldwide pandemic or whatever it is. Right it's it's it's always changing. And and the past the fact that it's always changing means you always get to revisit this and say, okay now, how do I play the game? And, and you can literally do this minute by minute because every minute life has changed and all it takes his awareness to see that. So, when were angry at the fact that we're angry? Were compound in the situation anger is natural and if I'm experiencing anger and I'm okay with the fact that I'm experiencing anger then I haven't there's no problem. Sure angry but there's no problem with being angry. So life is good I'm a piece if I and before I, know it the causes and conditions of the anger might be gone and then anger's gone and I'm okay that I'm not angry. So again I am a piece at peace when I'm angry I'm a piece when I'm not angry and that to me is at the heart of what this story of sticky monsters trying to get at its the The twist I think in the story is that we are sticky monster or sticky monster, his US right I think Robert Wright talks about this in his book why Buddhism is true he talks about the modules of the mind and the concept of the modules of the mind is the understanding that I have many different aspects of me that make me me. There's the me that is in the role of of apparent of a dad of a brother of a of a son of a podcast of all the things that I do that make me these are the various modules of the mind. And within these modules, there are the thoughts and the feelings and the emotions and the memories. These are what what Buddhism we would call the five SCON-. Does right the different things that make you you and yet you're not any of them. But when I understand that about myself if I realized that I'm experiencing anger. It's something that I'm experiencing but I'm also the observer of the experience and I'm also the one that that feels I like this or I don't like this and all of that's okay. If just observe it. And what it leaves me with this this important understanding that just like with sticky monster the monster is the monster can't change the fact that it's ugly that a stinks that it's hair is sticky are all the things that are unpleasant about it. But what I can change as when I understand that this thing isn't going away and I can't fight it away I'm left with one option. I can befriend it and try to understand it and all of this happens by using the weapon of the mind. Not The traditional weapons you would think of as weapons, and that's what happens in that story. So to me the moral of the story. Is that I am the prince, but I am also sticky monster certain parts of my mind when I'm experiencing anger. There it is. That's the big sticky monster. I'm angry and I don't like that I'm angry will there I am I'm fighting the thing that I cannot win now but if I mckay that I'm angry now I'm piece again and there's the two things as the prince and they're sticky monster there's The observer of. The anger am experiencing and there's the anger I'm experiencing, and those are the two things they can sit there side by side perfectly apiece in content because there's nothing wrong with being angry there's nothing wrong with sitting next to the monster there's nothing it's it's fighting the monster that creates the problem I. think it's the same with our thoughts and feelings and emotions. It's fighting my emotions being angry that I'm angry that aggravates the problem. So, that's the key takeaway for me with this specific lesson with the story of of sticky hair sticky hair monster. And I I've been working on this story for months. Now with like I said with my own kids and and we play this game called sticky monster and I'm sticky monster and they're all trying to fight me will they can never beat me and always trap them, and then I hold them and they've learned that the trick has they have to start asking me questions where are you from sticky monster? How old are you sticky monster? A feel today and as they talk to me, then I start answering their questions and I loosen the grip and then at the end of the game were sitting next to each other and they keep talking to me and that's when they can slowly they have to slowly walk away. But in the game that we play if they tried to run or they try to escape me or they try to fight me they, they don't win So I'm hoping that with time this little game and this little story will transition into a deep understanding of the nature of life with them and the relationship they have with their own thoughts and feelings emotions. And I think that's the final thought that I would wanNA share here. Is that what we're not trying to change our thoughts and feelings and emotions as we experienced them as we're experiencing them, all we're trying to do is change the relationship we have with our thoughts, feelings and emotions as we experience them. Because to me, that's the key. That's it. That's the. The difference of running and fighting sticky monster and just exerting all your energy. That's pointless. Casual Never GonNa win versus sitting and talking to sticky monster using your mind and understanding and befriending, and again to me, the twist is the recognition that I'm actually both I'm the prince and I'm sticky monster and been fighting myself this whole time, which makes the fight that much more ridiculous when I think about it that way. So That's all they have to share about that concept of sticky monster and the relationship we have to our thoughts and feelings and emotions. So. Before ending this podcast episode, I want to leave you with another Zenko on to think about And this is one that I think I've mentioned before I can't remember I'm reaching that stage where I can't remember what things I've said before and what things I haven't. But I, guess it never hurts to mention things more than once. So the Zen Koan I'd like to leave with you at the end of this podcast episode think about is called no beard. and. It goes like this. Why? Kuan complained when he saw a picture of bearded bodey Dharma why hasn't that fellow a beard? And that's it. That's the end of that Cohen. All right. I'll share my thoughts on that one in the next podcast episode as always. Thank you for listening until next time.

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The Nature of Existence

Yokoji Zen Dharma Talks

1:05:33 hr | 6 months ago

The Nature of Existence

"Good Morning. Can. You hear me you good. Good. Well, today's another day. In groundhog week as I call it. On cycling round. And again I'm I'm having a hard time saying something about this this Buddha nature, this true nature that we have. So I decided that, I would talk com. Joe Shoes Joe Shoes Dog So this case eighteen from the book of equanimity. Joe Shoes. Preface to the assembly. Poke a floating good on the water and it turns. A diamond in the sun has no fix shade of Cola. No mindedness cannot understand. Yes. Mindedness cannot see. Even an immeasurably great person can be turned about by woods. Is there any way to escape that? Now. The main case. attention. Among. Asked Master Joe Shoe does a dog have Buddha nature. Joshi replied. Yes. And then among said, since it has, how did it get into that bag of skin? Joe. said. Because knowingly he purposely fans. On another occasion among cast Josiah. Does. The dog have Buddha nature? Joe. Shoe said, no. Then the monk said. Beings have put in nature. Why doesn't the dog have it? Joe Shoe said it is because of his having comic consciousness. The appreciate jury verse. A dog. Spoon Nature. Yes. A dogs but a nature. No. From. The first, a straight hook seeks fish with abandoned. Chasing the spirit seeking the fragrance. A cloud and Walter Guest pattering and chattering to make debates and excuses. It's his evenly revealed grandly displayed. Don't worry that he's not half full of the start. Pointing to the fault, he snatched the jewel away. King Shin did not know showed you roggin. Maybe. I'll just start without that last line. Appointed at the fall, snatched the jewel away. King, Shin. Did Not know showed you now, this is an old Chinese proverb I don't if we've got something in. in the West the the works in the same way. But. Apparently, showed you full to go and give this really amazing Jill to to the king of the Shinsho him. But he he kinda you took it and he wouldn't get it back. So showed you roggio. Would he goes? Well, don't you know this fall tin it? There's a volt in this fuel. which. Obviously Dan would make it less valuable, and so he goes to me and I'll show you where the fault is and so. You got the chill back and somehow got out the out of the castle whatever and escaped with the Jill. So, this is referring really to to Joe Joe Shoe sends, Zim, down one track. And then the next minute could be the next day. You know when when he asked the second question. then. He sends him down a different track. Now. This is kind of interesting because in the in the preface, it goes even immeasurably great person can be turned around by woods. Is there any way to escape that you know quite often where You know we don't. We don't like the power woods in many ways we We go really shouldn't be turned around by woods and what people say and do, but as a fact, we actually do. You, know if you if you look at The statements that? Great politicians of made. You know like. It's not what you can do for your country Swat. You know what? What you what you can. Any which way, round all. It's not what you country can do for you is what you can do you country. Thanks. Thanks guy. That's good. You know state statements like that. We have a big effect in fact Japan was to surrender, the the Prime Minister of Japan at that time went to see i. think it was Yamamoto Gimpo. She who's like related to our rick lineage us like the. Dhamma, brother of of Let's see. I think was Kyko she and doable now let's see. Heiko Joko. Rosie. And Get, Yamato Game Perot. She said to the prime. minister. You've gotTa do two things. Who's let the emperor be like the song and as a people we have to bad the unbearable. So then he said this in the speech of the emperor said this in the in the speech and enable the Japanese people to surrender, and so there would be no wool more warfare in us an amazing thing. Right that just with words. So. You look at Joe Shoe and what he says you know. I think it was Dogozendi. Energy called him the Golden. Tongue Buddha. because. He's is eloquence, he could just Just. Out, of the blue, just come up with with amazing quotes and to people around through that. Man, this is one of the things that we hope will occur through. 'em practice the just the practice and then his maybe here in something that turns you around in one way or another. So these words are important. It's important to make the attempt you know. So he we have a monkey comes up to master Joe. Shoe. And says, does the dog have been a nature? And this obviously now is somewhat more immortalize down to. To the press day because of the color on new. You know at this point, apparently, the car move wasn't really in place. So Josiah says yes now. Does that really make an effect to to your experience of move or good nature. Intense your own life the Buddha. Unfortunately, got this would buddha attached to him. We. Simply means awaken one now if you say. does the dog have awakened nature? I mean, straight into English. Probably say. Yeah, just like Joe. Joshua's yeah. I mean dogs awake you know. I've look of it. So wake no problem. Now when we start to do that somebody says, are you awakened maybe maybe he'll be some doubt breath. What does that actually mean? What does it mean to be awake? Does the dog. Does tension have awakened? Nature. Do I. Have it? You could say, yes, you could say, no to kind of be relevant in many ways. The pope is still moving around. You know whether it's yes or no. There's no problem that. Does a dog have awakened nature. But why does that interest us? You know what? Why does that question interest as why is he haunted us? For generations even if you don't use You know regular. Regular language say said, Buddhist, we say you use Christianity does is everybody the image of God for instance or creation of God? You know you may be look around and maybe think about it for a bit. Does everything appear as is is maybe another way, but he haunts us. Why because in many ways we want something. You know we want something we want to. We want something to have to own something we can rely on. But maybe that thing that we can always rely on we've had since we were little kids. You know the Buddhist. This is really simply due to walk condition it. The way that we've conditioned ourselves, we've been conditioned by society. We overlay that. And then take that as being real. So a large part of practice is, how do I go to that condition to the direct experience? Were educated a highly educated where EDUCA- to. Sense looking at things. But then this the experiential aspect, the tends to get buried having all this knowledge. How come I come meg? How how having all this knowledge? How how can I come work out the meaning of life? C.. You can say in Zan is it is a shift from a thought based system, which will already really good at his amazing tool back to an experienced based system. So we really feel and are interactive with the world on a momentary basis, and then thought becomes an amazing tool to express that in many different ways. So that. That's the shift. So this. This monkey. You know he's coming up with a pretty standard question. Does the dog had nature? Threw himself obviously isn't clear else more than likely. He wouldn't be asking that question. Do I have Buddha. Nature is really more close to the. To to the point. Do I have Buddha, nature? And if that is in clear than most of the rest of life is in player either. Was this nature. How can it be clarified? and. Then down down below in the appreciably verse, she says about the monk chasing the spirit seeking the fragrance, a cloud on wall to get something the comes and goes nothing is always that twenty four seven. PATTERING, and chattering to make debates of excuses. But we like to do that. You know we like to talk about things. Seem expert in our field. You know. But at the same time is the is it really embodied, which is the main part of the The process of practice you to really embody is not just having a realization or an inkling, is that embodied as a life as living? No matter. No matter what the circumstances or the. Whether it seems successful or failure. You know what is that? So. He's kind of interesting, you know the then. Joe Shoe. says. Yes. A little bit further down. He goes where? Where were we? He's not very. He's not very careful as the at the beginning. So Joe just goes. Yeah. You know like any anybody's do, yeah. Everything has been a nature. You look at the first statement to shack you Mooney, Buddha, the Cohen of Buddhism in itself. I will beings great earth the wisdom of the of the awakened one to the snus. So, must do statistics and that's the phrase that I use most. I'm just a power up for the Buddha. But you know that that's the people go. Of course, all things have happened the nature. Cools. But do you know what that nature is and to see that nature and a dog? You have to really experience it in? Yourself is a clear. And for generations after after this column, people work on this. You know putting all kinds of things on one side to really make that thing clear for regular person is why you doing that kind of crazy. You know course everything has nature. But does it really affect your life? Does it penetrate your mirror? So, he goes on. and the monk. Doesn't want to appear to be. You know slouch and wants to be shut off. He says since it has, how did it get into that bag of skin? As. If put a nature is separate from. Everything else. This. kind of interest in because You know we in the West. Judy. Chris Christie and forms religion. This that aspect to have people who are. The righteous knows that are not the right ships. You know, of course, we have similar things in Buddhism. But everything without. Without exception. As this wisdom virtue, what is the wisdom? Does it looked like something? I mean, this is really important as it looked like something. For my for myself, I've been shocked over and over hearing. and seeing great wise actions and speech from people are totally unexpected people that you wouldn't think. And not that to me is an incredible thing. So rather than looking in certain areas that wisdom and it doesn't have to be with human beings animals, you see incredible things. But. This nature, it's not really clear for you as a human being. So, how did it get into that bag of skin? Is If a dog? and. Again, you know dog has a low status in China. In fact, they are eaten in some cases. You know sometimes you get petition signed this. So the so-called doggy festival won't Wanaka. Now. So you can see it's like a social hierarchy that. You know this book Nature Than Disease Loa Loa creatures the Don quite half that. But is that really true? I mean freeze one of us we have to look. What we assign as what I would call. True Religion to any. Being creature is any of those things. Really true. then. Now this is interestingly, this is interest-. Interesting to me. Joe. Shoe goes because knowingly he purposely fans. This this line is like is like Bob, is like a hook, knowingly the dog purposely offense. Why is he say's now? Does dog offend? Yeah. We've seen dogs do all kinds of things. You know I usually get in trouble for talking about what dogs do. So you know, but but each one of us you know, do we offend knowingly? Knowingly has a certain connotation knowingly. Is a dog trying to overlay his dog nece with diagnosis. Is, a dog, China overlays life with with with a nature. So again, Perot she when I first came to Z. Cla. Asked me said. He said, he told me a state and he said the English don't have nature. So I said, well, why would I want one of those? So. I was precocious in in that way, it is not overlaid over something else. I am thoroughly what I am. I can't help doing that. You, know, is it knowingly I don't know I can't help being who I am. You know certain things we have that. But statement, which is applicable to the column hunting. Dogs. Scott, Hunt. You know each one of us approaches life in a certain way. We get a certain amount of freedom by looking at those things that have bitch will and those things that are instinctive way of being human beings knowingly, he purposely offense. a bit later on this. This great line in the appreciate reverse egos From the first a straight hook? Seeks Fish. With, abandon. Straight Hook. As. Anybody used a straight hook efficient. You, you know just like a hook cal. Won't doesn't stick. That works a straight hook. It doesn't work. For somebody to get coal, they have to want to get cold. This is a really important thing in practice you go to one to get. Cool. Is interest in this, this call on the me was a turning point. Because I worked on it with three different teaches and I, passed with each teacher. But I didn't pass it for myself. So I continued working on it. That was a straight hulk. Yeah. It was through has passed. I was off the hook as it were I, could go onto the next one. But for me is I couldn't let it go. To Sleep fountains, what the hell are they talking about and I couldn't let it down twenty, twenty, four, seven. They went tom maybe a couple of weeks. Just like what are you really talking about? Until, but it's not just the intellectual aspect it had to be internalized. Knowingly as a dog as a human being. How can I? How can I escape this? How can it be something else what? I really look in for. All of these things came up. Until it finally dawned on me and that that nature was clear. It was obvious. And that was one of the most beautiful things that ever could in my life, but I didn't stay that you can't stay as that life continues. This nature's always appearing as difficulty as ease. As all kinds of things and that aspect of call one when it really grabs you, it needs to be looked at in other words is a you know is just basic, question cannot be like, oh. A Ni- A I, won't be satisfied until that bridge has been bridged has been crossed. It's been taken care of. On this appears in many aspects of life colonies natural to us as human beings. So you know we go on knowingly, he purposely offense. Each one of us is that knowingly we purposely and I cannot help being who I am. I remember one. So went to to tomorrow to Montana to to Jamaica XS family. My parents were were talking to. One at one of the. Relatives and. The. Relatives, todd started going yet. Yeah, I was there at Normandy. You know and. My Dad was talking to about Normandy and and then. Say since mom came over and when. You know don't don't worry about John He tells lies. He told us that he's it was kicked by booking. Bronco. But he was drunk and fell down the knocked his teeth out. On the curb you know, but it says thing is the acceptance don't mind. John E tells lies. So he cannot help being who he is accepted by the family integrated with the family. You made a light that story. But. It's an example. These are examples. And it's the same with the Sangha people are the way they are. They probably will never be different in that way. To my like into your liken, it doesn't matter. But how do you really swallow person hull and accept that? Put. Hood. awakeness. Whatever I mean, that's a debate. That's a debate. But it's also a reality that occurs. So. It goes on another occasion. The monk doesn't let this up. and. We assume it's the same person. 'cause it's in the same case, but it could have been somebody else. But this is a good teacher. It doesn't go down the same path got I've got that tied said, yes. Last time it worked. This time he says the usual, we are The, the we see today he goes. No. Doug doesn't have Buddha nature. So. This is this is the one. The Akron said a set of the glaring eyes of monks Foam Millennia. He Says No. Now. He's kind of interested in. You know if you, if you feel this this this nature, this book donated this MOU. You feel it and you experience it doesn't matter whether you attach. Yes or no to that. Somebody says, yes. Great. If somebody says, no. Gray. Does does it make any difference? It just does a just like just words. The flow by this, the direct experience, which is is here twenty, four, seven, Mike Zimmer row. She would towards the end of my training would say, no and his like less fine. He says now. The smell reality right now. No. Doesn't affect. Me Doesn't affect what I know in my bones and no. Sis in the bones Schwa-. for all of us. But one of the main things work in that is don't be deceived what other people say about this. This aspect of having not having you feel it in your bones, it cannot be taken away in that way not that it is something else. You this thoroughly, I am this thoroughly without exception. Know. What can you say about that is not an awful lot. Okay I'll finish their then. No Okay I'll carry on I'll just I'll just go into the next puff. So the monk comes up with the Buddhist trump card. He says, or the the original. Colin. Of Buddhism, all beings have Buddha nature. Why doesn't the dog have it? Why doesn't the dog habit? Well, again, does the dog needs something like the nature? Co. that you know cocoa just comes over and gives me a lake. That's enough is good enough for her I. Don't see it going off into a Kona pondering you know the dog Do I have Buddha nature or not. No. Snow problem having it not having it. This is this new or the experiential aspect of being that thoroughly. Beautiful. And then Joshi just says something just because of his having comic consciousness. You know having comic consciousness. I. Mean. That's sad. Thing is living Sir way. We appear a certain way realizing certain things. We lived some things. You. Know. Karma is the result of everything that I have lived to this point. And more than likely that will continue through those same practices. Less common. But that but that still the same side of a dog been dot com help being who he or she is. Doesn't matter. Right from the beginning. So asking you guys does a dog have been an issue. What would you say? You know. I don't see any answers both you'll amid. So that's probably a good thing. Yeah I think I've Oh. There's is kind of interesting here to in the preface, poke a floating. Good on the war turn it turns. A diamond in the Sun has no fixed Shadl Cola. So again, with the know with this, this dog Buddha nature. Thing. Is Like we we look at, we experience life from certain sides. So, we look for the until act. Than somebody comes up until about experiential when we look at that size still the same, God. We look at it emotionally. That different pot comes up, we look at it. Psychologically, different pot comes up. relocated. Universally different aspect comes up and the same with a diamond. Do you know if you hold a diamond in the sun? It doesn't retain its Cola sometimes, it's coalesce sometimes this refraction from different. Different faces facing in different directions. You know, and again this, this is a life, is not just a one of thing. And is important to become holistic in terms of of that training. So anyway. At this point, I would like to open it up for Q. and A.. Or? Statements. So you can use the raise hand features we've been doing can also on mute yourself. If you want to jump in and I will open up. Chat. Deanne. Acadian. Yeah. In voicing turn black, you're describing the diamond in the son of the facets. The appearance be different depending on your outlook or your vantage point. That nothing is fixed. You're talking about. Nature coming a person's nature. Just the way they are A. Swallow out. It's it sounds like that is A. Fixed. Nature of bears to be. discerned. Examined slowly whether like it or not. It seems a little. I don't know I'm having a hard time reconciling. Fix Ursus. Changing all the time. Yeah. You know I mean how it is right now. That's that's the fixed paw. And then as things go along, it's not going to stay in that place as the changing Paul. I guess I'm speaking because I had a dramatic incident with someone yesterday this close to me and. Listening to today on thinking. Yes. Generally his nature. In I accept holy. Is Thinking through them, perhaps get another circumstance. Or if I'm standing in another place. I might perceive some ask your. Those things are true. You Know I. Mean the thing is he's not an either or is the going openly into a circumstances situation accent them as they are. But that doesn't preclude any different actions in undecided SA-. Free flow in. Interaction. It seems so easy. Sometimes, we get a crater angry to say, well, that's just the way it is. This easier it is in the short end, the shorter. Yeah. Yeah So. Yeah. Yeah. So I if somebody is coming in a very hard way in portable barriers in there. But you know leave a little bit open. So if you change. You know it doesn't have to fix, and this is the end unless it really has to be the end. What are we swirling hole in that moment? Yeah. The whole circumstance. It's never just about the person, it's a circumstance to. This is very obvious well, and I mean this is a circumstance now now, what to do within that circumstance? and. So you know then to to open up to that I'm not token about fixed outcomes. I, don't know the outcome of of life to start off with. You know what's going to happen at the end you know is the and finding out in that process and aspect of Golan. And then he interacting with people than this certain things that I've found a useful. Which is Try, and make this mutual. Good. Direction. Possessing career it. Does seem to work better in the long run. The. Actually across, it's like a co on. Your No is not, it's not like a call on, it is a call. Yeah, there's all kinds of. Yeah Okay I think. I'll try to absorb this. Thank you for your answer. Thank you do not. Stan. Emma, you can mute yourself. Ray Sheet. One. Could. A. Good ever. A rook deliver knowingly deliberately offense. Kick it. Yeah, I, mean you you. You GotTa look at that when he doesn't. It doesn't interest me in that way. Rock is rock. You know. But it can also tell me history too. You know the thing is may see Iraq Iraq, but it also can tell you as well. I. I seem to feel that everything has the Nitra. Then I Oswald is pretty nature but. Again. You know that's that's also Pau. Recalls is not some in separate. Nurse when you look into your own nature, can you find? I'm no. I'm not saying describe your own nature ball. Can you find? Basically, another way saying is unwritten. I see that in most most animals and plants and. Rocks. As well. Start, how is this different from the normal? Dia Christian view the. Dogs, the dogs and. Works works. Well. You know my life hasn't changed that motion. So as a Christian. So you know I. Mean the thing is, is that how you feel in your bones and you come you kinda sign or limited by a religion either. Have a lot more in common I. think with with with Christians Jewish people Muslims than I do people don't have a Because his appreciation of something you know. Appreciation for me. The the really turns things around. Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations on the on Emma's dog to. Okay. Thanks. Terry and Penny. Yourself. Morning. Hey morning a very. Very good good seeing you. In the in the trash. Could you say a little bit more about it was a hard time? Remember the exact were looking up? The. Yes. The yes mine. Does can't perceive. So, they got the esmine. Okay. No mine. no mindedness cannot understand. Yes, mindedness cannot perceive. WHO WE'RE? Working with, you know what? What, what would you say? If you get stuck on the affirmation aspect? All things have. Is that then you it's very difficult to to immerse with that. With the direct experience of going on forms become a lot more important. And being lost informs you know the I mean one of the things with this coal on new is the the some teaches in in the west now that instead of using the word mu using note. So. Whatever mental formation comes up, you cut it off. No. No so experience at direct experience comes in. which isn't bounded in in that way. You know whereas if quite often when we say, yes, we'll all. That's good. Now, he's out the way you know. Yes, he's done. That no is just like no matter what arises you cut it away and so that that morning abrasive. Aspect comes through the source that the nature of God or Buddha Nature. You know it doesn't really matter what what term you put on it. which is more of an A thing of finding out comes to the to the front. Kinetic says, thank you. Yeah. But it's not worth perceived and how that perception is being used because it's not a word that we quite, we quite often use an everyday language. How's he being used? And and is somewhat of a an an objective state. With perception. Usually. How I see in terms of ours used in English language. No. March you know that way you come grab hold of anything trying to grab glass. You know the window just hard to do. That kind of survived the. Like Sit Down and. have. Really delicious meal, and if I take the first fight and say as the Legis, that's great, and then as I go on, need the rest without having noticing, he added already if I. Say. You know tasted, enjoy it, and then by default never. Get Joy again, kind of do that wife. Say That's it yeah yeah. That's is interesting to me. I don't like that one among the last by and I think. It Tastes I. Didn't taste the rest of the meal you know. Near the hand you don't have in a bad meal and having to eat all of it. It keeps you keeps you aware, but it's not a pleasant thing. Stir to. Mark Mute Yourself. AM Good morning, rushing and. I wonder this couple points this that. Cause me. Concern in deals, a Jochen, his answers. So in the first. Answer. He responds. Knowingly purposely he purposefully of vans. Yeah. So. I just wonder about the word knowingly knowingly to me implies some sort of self awareness. if knowing doing something that means where. Yeah. But I wonder if you come in. White. Dog. I mean, my dog doesn't have much self awareness adult. Think it just. Comes eats and go to sleep leave in exit. So Does the Doghouse self-awareness. Yeah I mean, this is a good question for you is to is to look that. You know. I mean, seriously I mean, I can say all kinds of words, but for you, that's You remember with knowing this, knowing you bombs which doghouse. You have it. and. Then there's the cognitive aspect too. So that that's the you might say is reconciled, but he's not really reconcile it until he feels right for you as a human being. Thank you. Work on the other. The other point of that particular answer is purposefully offense. Yeah. The were purposefully. To me. Implies. self-awareness sort of like. Yeah. John. Example John. Example Montana. So we can presume that John. Knows, he's doing what he's doing is saying what he said, they liberally wraps with the intent to offend. Of wraps just to be himself whatever it is. But. A dog. Out Is it dog purposely. Offend what is offending? A is the. Jury. In the book of. Talk, about offending being. Defense in Buddhism is to be diluted. You've read she-she's book, you read the yeah. So. Comment on. That that concept of purposefully offense. Yeah. Yeah, this this is, this is why a grabbed a grabbed me. You know. and. Again that offended is. look out with the people do that. It's like you're gonNA feel that in yourself. How does that happen? How does that occur 'cause defending some some things won't be offended to other people. So for oneself you gotTa pick that up. Now. If you know, I'm not trying to get out of this. The thing is it does this is the kind of thing that you got to come up for yourself. I can't make a case for it. because. That was exactly the thing that grabbed me. You know when? You're. Version? Yeah. My own expiration is as again. Things are exactly as they are whether it offends or not. Whether it's knowing or unknowing. And so that's the starting point than what I do with that is is the secondary aspect. That's what you'll. Hugh. Joshi gone sorry. Why would join us the purposefully as opposed to just leaving it at. Knowingly. Well. It wouldn't grab me if he if he if he. Had, a Pope Castilian. Grateful for that word, you know whether whether it's true translation. That's another aspect of it. bought. But that was the hook that got me that I really had to work on myself. And this is one of those things just in in Buddhism is the. Will in most religions to you can't tell somebody else, but it's not an escape clause. So that's something that you feel yourself in that way MS, some people will just blow over this line and just go. Oh Yeah. Fine. But for others you get hooked by and that's why there's like seven hundred fifty collins hooked by Wong. Become. Very, easy. So I have worked out. He may be an I'm useless. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Can. We've got quite a discussion going through group chat, but this is Question from why is Donald? Trump have buddha nature. Look look. No I understand swapping. Okay. You don't know how to keep it down. You don't have to. What what do you do if you can't keep it down? Vomited up? Dogs. Eat their vomit. You know just went on and on, but here's one. Vote seems to me if the dog didn't have you WANNA talk. Sir? No carrier seems to me. If the dog didn't have self awareness, it wouldn't be able to learn reward versus consequences. My dog purposely takes clothing off the bed knowing it will offend and gets my attention. Is this the same thing self-awareness? Does it equal ascension being was too much for Sunday morning. A. Weather she yeah, I mean. The the self awareness of it. I mean this being, you could say that self awareness, but then this. Object to one of of of self-criticism or self create drama. I could be a different way, etc. those two aspects, obviously a dog noses ally. It interacts etc. Self-awareness. She knows that's really Haba Grass. I'm always learning from from. The, many as we said the. Is Like dogs, animals did not use tools. But I've seen bird used tools. Is that we're always finding stuff out I'm in many ways irrelevant. Just look at how how they do and how they interact. And I mean definitely animals have empathy. You know. I mean, it's just like. Both both my dogs, cocoa, and Honeywood. When when somebody was having a hard time, they go over and they would, they would console. The person there would be. They'll I've therapists? They go over that and they they make a difference you know is it wed? Where'd you know we tried to find what? What human being soon, how great we are. A lot of those animals have had similar things. So. But for each one of us is look at how that arises in ourselves. Why have what we call? Self Awareness. Ego? Delusion. Etc. just look at how those things operate in our lives become clear on those things than they don't go off on automatic. Would there is there is a way that we can deal with those things. So it limits. It limits suffering, not just human suffering suffering that occurs in our environment to. You know. But seeing how this operates. We see some lot animals too. I ever. took it out from the Amazon jungle in. Colombia, make without who? Good? Light. We, like to ask. How I be with these consciousness awareness. Long tank. I live in London. In Switzerland. You just like you to expand a little bit for what do you mean by worthies? What do you mean a borderless conscious do have kind of a word is perhaps. The. To me, that's that that's that's unknown. Find out I mean, obviously is an animal or. See my dog is the I see that it or She sees his taste. Touch smells thanks. has certain senses the the Amel slow with. Like, earthquake consciousness she picks it up quick than I, do. She will point point to things that I don't see sense is different in different ways. She. has a highly developed sense of empathy. which is also something the the human beings have. You know she she. She interacts. is in whatever way she can't. Yeah. So the the consciousness is that. but it's different. You know she can't communicate the bully. There there are different ways. With other animals, you know I see I. See even ought by the other day, I took a picture of of the circle of bird prints. wishes. Him stand some somebody guy. Well, he could have been a mating ritual, but this communication is all kinds of communication that animals have and I think rather than placing animals is to find out, you know placing animals is having this or that find out what they have and learn from them. You know just like we learn from our environment and learning from our environment than we don't try superimpose something, the the The may be detrimental to the to the life in that area. That's what I would say on that. I am a little bit. You. You're breaking not her when Mark Savvy. What I'm saying is when you talk about Burgers in the manual, you said said he's doing something Gervis. Saying about awareness consciousness him. All. On the essence where we talk about could cosmic consciousness. Wordless is what we connect with it. So when when you get into these, you realize a bit confused because the benefits that lamb hook up with you bow I'm of take too much. I. Might Send Your by best from here yet. Yeah same premier. Drove Louis collecting the. Technology hitting that my son's so late. So the gets you from the beginning. But I would like to say. From that I come across. Would you? Like. Do participate more than because. I am doing some kind of workshops are our can request to healing combined. We wait to ancestor knowledge in general. So combining a fight to stay up. That is. The clowns. What's Up Yet did not know pronouncing correctly, but he's the stadium plans at least applications I'm especially during this time and I hope I'm not. Getting off the mark. Concerned about what we leaving today with this club damage. Actual Piano that q a g you are to the. Light and I think we should be together together and get. A. Touch, yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Gestapo. Thank you. Brian. Bruce. Bruce, wherever you are. On base. A. Yeah Yeah. Surfing, thank you for your talk today. Rocio. Now, all the questions who? I was GONNA ask some different thing by then people are talking about awareness. So I, just WanNa make sure about this. You know from me. It seems. That The. Buddha minder whatever it means he was awaken Oh. Yeah. Yeah. We'll. And then what does that awake meaning in this everybody had? Yeah and. So. On that level Yes, everybody. I'd like a Dog House lucky whistle and the dog looks and goes. At and I would too. Yeah, exactly. And that's like this. Innate sort of awareness that was. Yeah I get. Really work comes from. Yeah. Go ahead. Did you know I mean you? You say, yes. As far as I'm concerned, you saying the truth is each one of his is is born with this, but the problem is we don't value it. That that's the biggest thing is the we want something else you know. I. Remember sit down on the beach in Mexico you know do this day of natural awareness and looking out on this beautiful. Bay? Come in from darkness into light and. This is amazing if only. You know. When did that come from? This is paradise. But. The mind wanted some tells, how can it be this? How can a person like may be awakened? You know when I'm awake see hear smell taste touch you know. But it is wearing that aspect how which is the main part of practice. That's aspect again of a Buddhism where we have that precept being toxic hated. And the biggest part of that, you know obviously drugs, alcohol that chemists stuff is is important to pay attention to. But the biggest thing that's going on in a momentary basis is our introduction of intoxicants. You know being this wisdom virtue of the wake and one to thus nece esprit high. Falutin you know is you know how come I want something else? How come I think that should be a certain way how come I think that I should get more reward for him doing when the whole world's coming in on a momentary faces? Know just our emphasis is on something else. That isn't here. But sounds good. You know it's just like with advertising, they're always trying to get us to get something else. Rather than us, what we already have in abundance. Human, beings. Yeah that's the thing as. It is the thing. And it's also interesting that while or while you were saying, this is great, but I wish are Totally relate with that the. There's a part of me that that awakeness says that's watching. That is otherwise out I? Know. That was at yet. It's even watching that. Yeah, and. So. What I like about. Say, what I like about these. Is At. Will you talked about it was that You know the mind wants to know something? Yeah. So you're might teacher and you say Bruce. Blah Blah Blah. And I go. Sweeteners Blah Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah can. Hold onto that in I use that. From now on, you know while Blah and then at some point, it doesn't really work. Or I might forget and I want to hear it again like Roche, you told me the other day. Told me something I forgot what you told me. You know but. The other thing in your time somebody else's that I personally have to go like you can tell me something but I personally have go and verify for myself yet otherwise was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, not. Enough. Yeah. I mean that that's that's the thing is the you know we have so much teaching from all over the place, but then the actual doing of that I'm very fine if that teaches true not is important Pau. Of, very fine stays in the level of words. That's the embodiment aspect. To do that, take some work. You know that's the that's the tricky fall. And obviously none of us like going down dead ends. You know. Unfortunately for myself is that I've gone down a lot of dead ends. You know too. So. I. Realize those things don't work, but the me usually I've done those gloriously. I put everything into it in a recent dead end. If. Okay. Now, Gola energy now put it in different into a different direction. I don't know if he's right or wrong. It just feels right. Just go down, go down that until. Till it feels right in my own bones and at that point is fine. You know I'd I'd like to say to people as we will make mistakes we'll get stuck in areas is just par for the course. But if we wholeheartedly do it. Then, there's of a chance of of of working through those things. You wholeheartedly go through some. Then you realize and I never have to go there again. It's not like you know I don't if I should sit. You know. May. May May. Maybe. Entail you jump Pogba one side of the other and thoroughly doing you know. And that's the. That's the beauty of his whole heartedness. I will take this direction. Best of best of my ability. And I'm not going to keep on going. Will this right? Is Right? CZYZ? Right? Is His right zips. Right? You know just. Do it, and then okay. That wasn't the best directional try in this direction that we'll say this anything wrong with that. But we use that that Howard cosell of the mind way too much. Just get on with it. Do it. Take take direction do. If you, and if you begin to more trust in your instinct, your heart than those things become clearer rather than you know some descriptions that people have given of this really good place over that. Maybe. After. A while is the. Tie. That really good place helping actually doesn't really exist. All things are saying are very A. Really about me because I, really. It. Might have Buddha mind with something like you know Super Special. Working with voices, kind of helped me in a way because like for instance, I, might work with anger like. Now. Now would I do I, walk down the street and I'll feel something I go? Can I talk to that voice? It's feeling this thing right now you know. oftentimes, it's angry at just people walking down the street or something you know. And, that anger is something that I don't know to. Me Seems like a mistake like I don't understand Raisin Angra I've actually talked to that voice that voices just very pure and very strong, and it's like I'm angry I am angry everything here. I don't care. Everything makes me angry. That doesn't Mean that said that's a voice and that's a very strong voice and it's not right or wrong. It's. It's there. And then You, know me trying to place it somewhere get rid of it. Just a mess Zada, some has it up. Anyway. Yeah means are in that in that. You know places that you try to understand what it is and that an important. and. Usual usually when when that occurs is not a desire to escape it as a a desire to really learn from it and see how it operates in your life, and you will find that out. And then again is it doesn't go off on automatic. So easily you know. Yeah. If. A. Good seen, you. Love. Your life can. Come, you're shaving your head now. Well it's a long story. I was used issues in my my razor than ran out of battery. Power. So, then. I, try to finish it off and I couldn't. So I had to use business. And so so I ended up unit shave the whole thing though so. I. Have just been whole. Shorter, story. Bursts. A. Twelve thirty Roberto will take one last question. Go ahead Roberto. May maybe should to inform question. Is. Just a ago back to one Arthur said, and then this whole discussion to chat about dogs I don't think we're just talking about dog. No, no, no, no. No guarantee. We're also talking about some things that is completely antipathetic to your thing, and how do you sort of course with fame like that? Right, yes. Start off with this one. It put a nation. It's not clear clear quantify here. Then that becomes clear. I mean that sounds like a weird thing to say, but in my experience, the Maury understand this maury understand that. tolkien about. Swallowing whole up. You know what? The president is the at Condo, anything else that that's Wa. That's what he is. That's what he's doing. This I doesn't mean that I have to believe in what what he's doing and he does some good things too. But it's a reality, how do I work with that reality and if I see that in him, I know that I've got that in May. So I can do that bit of work that and that you know that much I can do. But on the other hand is the I don't really want to spend my time hate and people. because. That takes a lot of energy. You know I can hate behaviors and try and work on those in myself. You know because I know with things like I hate and. That kind of thing. it. It takes. It takes up a lot of energy, and if I can just learn how that operates I can I can short circuit that and I can start to understand when that arises in in myself for the people and I can deal with a one way or another. So it's a bit of power that rather than being powerless at somebody doing something else out that. Right. Yards. Here's because it's going to be evitable even though everybody. Assumes meetings. I think practicing the precepts of YOU'RE GONNA count counter people, a lot of people that yeah yeah. Yeah, definitely. I mean, you have to walk out the door. In fact. Somebody in here help maybe. Go to look at it rise in that too. Yeah Thank you. Thank you. Extra. Okay. This is A. Steph takes over with. Open. The open MIC. Would be nice to do open my. I. Just wanted to thank everyone for joining. Reminder that we're posting the talks online. So if you did not get a chance to hear the beginning of it, it's Ziam C. 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Yokoji Zen Dharma Talks

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"Good morning happy. Mother's Day especially twelve months is important everyday really is mother's Day but this is a time to show appreciation so Just a momentary ACT OF OF BEING. A mother really has deep influences on on our society and obviously wanting to To raise a human being in a way that is going to be a benefit to everybody who is around you know. No matter walked to make effects on our society positive ways. It's a big responsibility. Also pleasure in many ways and obviously not being a mother. I don't not I'm not but you know. Appreciation is better than the the opposite. Same with everything. How do we really appreciate what we having from? Delays So I want to. I sort of open it up to I. Thas anything arising out of practice because we say in in in Zanzibar. He's only different from Buddhism. In the way that it's x-press the way that his cat's alive in each culture it is not tied to culture. So if you have any live questions in terms of practice please bring them if not. I'll referred to a case from the London century. Yeah Ju rush chance to Burger Hosa. Yeah well you know I mean it. Basically the root of of hosts on is means basically day off and an tradition but really what it means is one's own practice so there's obviously with with any sort of formal appreciation of practice the always pitfalls because if you always rely on the schedule for practice then when you have free time then it becomes more difficult for you to practice because you need to deal with things. Have the say the support people around you so look at it? Look what you really need to do is human being and then take care of those things is important in terms of say continuous not to just abandoned things and let let it go. You know because there is a certain. There's a certain aspect of practice which is a buildup slide. Especially if you're doing something like Cohen study is this certain intensity of concentration bills days off basically designed so that you can. You can somewhat chill outs concentration's rations and become too brittle in Japan. They use the analogy of temporariness sold. You know never how he made a saw but I do know brittle metal and flexible metal is if you have time the heat in which is more like training period all the weekly schedule in the middle of the weekly schedule. Heat things up you put yourself more into it. You develop that concentration and then say the days off for outside the training period times more to chill out and keep a basic contact on one's life so that begins to permeate all of your life and again you know just with the Saudis overheated goes brittle goes black snaps some people practice to intensely and then when it's time to chill out is that they they don't know how to do it. And so- concentration becomes more reliant on the schedule Rob than the one who is he is. He is through these on a momentary basis. So on day off. Yeah I guess. Some guests from relax. Take care of the things that you need to take care of you. Haven't you haven't done that and then just see how you can. You can enjoy Just just your basic awareness. You know it's not a matter. Fill in the space. That's the tendency now. I remember the Zen Central Los Angeles where in the in the early days that I was Especially the young guys you know we. It was almost like the schedules like an imposition. As soon as schedule was removed party. Is THAT THE ASPECT OF CELEBRATION? But there's also the dissipation of energy good to keep that buildup of energy and it doesn't mean there's going to be the rest of your life. Is that at some point? You see through the veil of your own thought patterns to to a deeper way of being which isn't contingent on experiences. Is that pot so use you know? Use the days often in way. And then then if you do that then you know intensely practice joy during the week and then you'll definitely need that relaxation at the end of the W- the end of the week. But part of it that is you also refine your activities that you do in a rub and trying to fill the space. Is that you you use that space to do the things that you really WanNa do. Rather than binge watching game of thrones. We really want to let fish but then again. Just see what the effects are in terms of your life. It's not the should be this way. It's just see see if you're trying to avoid something this deeper if you're not there's no problem but if if there's something that needs to be done rather than being covered up and make sure you do those things that need to be done yourself. Yeah good thing. Is You know what what day off it's just like now we're in terms of say if you look at professional athletes is the they don't train to the point of of of of overtraining to get to the point where you can actually relax in the midst of play and that's important so if you if you into regard You know practices living in itself. Quality of living. Don't mean doing certain things over other things the living in itself no matter what you do and how to bring to relax in the midst of that. Then that's that's really important. It's not it's not a matter of just full force of well no part of me just trimming away. The extra the tends to spoil our lives going back to. What's what's most apparent is that answering it. It's new so how do you incorporate things when they don't? I mean part of learning to relax where where you know wherever you are you know. What else raising my son. I remember the first four years of his life. You didn't sleep much. And he seemed to. He seemed to be awake when when? I was the one that was looking at it which is every other day you know so. Sometimes I just didn't get any sleep in that way but again eat pot of as was really come into the way. Why because it isn't as simple as that not putting into the if it was and it would be etc etc. You should know this is the way it is now. How can I enjoy the life that I have? And then so this a refining that goes on there in a lot of the X. access the extras again had to be dropped off so that I get rest when I get rest but a lot of that was around dealing with tiredness for for myself you know which which we in this case was I had certain prejudices around sleep. Anita certain amount rather than go. Well How is it sofa you know and if I need to do something just made sure I did it but if I had to be around machinery out to be very careful you know an and in time is that that it really wasn't too much of a problem you know but again is I don't know fix answer. There is just the raising up of all of those things is is important for us as human beings because then we get to examine them. If those things never raised up we never really see how we function on on Jurassic in that way. Excuse me in that way. Yeah and then. The other thing is the just this. This goes for fathers as well as mothers is the off you positively or negatively you know just hopefully they can put that into context that it is a learning experience. They don't have to do that if you if you do. This kind of an inadequate in that way you know. Yeah and the talent that therapist about you know how you know a package you know. We come positive and negative traits. Appreciate my mother for many many things. I also this Things you know but you know she's dead now and just I mean the NFL. The human being to raise the human being his monumental. You know they just as never forget that you know as a mother and obviously it does. It does an end in that way. Remember one of my Friends that I've practiced with lady for Mexico. She four daughters and she goes next time around. You can be. Mother most feel outweighs lot nicer being on the from the child side in many many ways in in that respect. But you know I mean obviously you know being a being a mother obviously is Is applicable to many aspects of life. And we have those ballpark points about compassion. You know we talk about compassionate. We think usually the feminine side compassion. No but obviously as a mother you have you have the masculine side to know. Sometimes lines that need to be put in that way so compassion is berry is very broad in that sense obviously its development in that way one you have no choice because you have that connection but at the same time as you have to get them. So they're independent in one way or another you know so is obviously a development skill. Skillful means that is ongoing. Okay so Deciding to talk on case from the gate will skate. She's Joe Shoes. Wash your bowls. The case case seven The case a monk as Joe Shoe in all an snus I have just entered this monastery. I beg you please give me instructions. Joe Shoe said asked sorry. Have you eaten your Rice Gruel? Yet the monk answered yes. I have jobs you said then. Wash your bowls among attains realize Asian homeward hope. Maybe he's doing that already. Women's Commentary Joe. Shoe opening his mouth shall showed his gallbladder and revealed his heart and liver. If the monk hearing it did not really grasp the fact. He would mistake a bell for pot which is actually fairly straightforward. You see not that that is a battle over there but it looks like a pop snow quite so clear. Okay so the bus just because it is so clear it takes us longer to realize if you quickly acknowledge that the candlelight is fire you will find the rice has long been cooked so you find that Illuminating this case does it need description. Is He talking about right? Gruel Rizal O'Neill we have for breakfast talking about you eaten since like very grandmotherly thing you know like a mother. You know eaten. It's very important that you eat why it's important that you eat staged exactly yes exactly. I mean that's pretty obvious in Josias. Pretty grandmotherly you have to remember. Is that this guy was before teaching is like a well. They re good example of traditional way of products and so he was enlightened. They say eighteen stayed with his teacher till he was in his late. Fifties like fifty seven stayed for three years while the funeral things would be done for his teacher and then you went on pilgrimage for twenty years now he could have been very slow. You know but he. He went around and he checked to see if they needed another teacher. In the teeth was that would be beneficial to be so then. He started teaching eight. They say and then he di Di dog twenty sous teaching forty years and he's regarded in Tang Dynasty. China's is one of the The Best Zen masters ever when he didn't really care too much about his. You know about how he's Temple. You lived off in the mountains and he never had more than twenty people. One of the reasons he he never had more than twenty people was. The site of the temple fell off and he goes. Don't don't put your energy into repair of it. You know. Just just put it into into what you regarded as practice. Somebody bought in this brand new hijab. Basically for teaching and he sold it and and then just fascinating piece of firewood on the on the leg that broke on each regular personality. Just just to say this you know. We can be very pleased about this person but you know he is is a good example. You know he wasn't very arrogant. You can see. He was He he appreciated practice. Appreciated The efforts of of people around him teachers and other teachers to any students as well. So you know this. Monk comes in and says just entered the monastery. I beg you master. Please give me instructions so this is the first thing he says. So what do you? What do you think he's really talking about? What do you think what are instructions to you are you? Are you doing this thing called San or is it? Something different. Came here wanting to figure out how to deal with on cop into digestion. Which is a big Pie still died yesterday my Zamira? She's teachings on one level or another. That was twenty four years ago. People tell me all kinds of things but only becomes apparent after a certain amount of digestion. It's important you know. Not a whole bunch of teaching. Just get enough enough that you need that. You can digest tune bug. She just gets in the way because stuck in the head digestion. Have you eat your rice gruel? Yet have you digested? The t-shirts you've been given is is. The is the teaching in in the things that you do on a momentary basis. Do you place value their places somewhere else. You know we. We just went through those floods and That was here Dan he was he was saying you. Add always understood the practices daily life but now I really understand. The price is daily life. You know one of the big things that came up from this time. It's it's not a matter of events is just delivering itself. That's that's the emphasis. School makes it very fundamental used for masters also the hungry or yeah. I mean you know culturally to just look at this in Zen tradition. Is that when people would talk about? How long did in a monastery say? How many meals that he had you know so they would you know would say four thousand some some no but how many meals have you have? What have you really taken in but again this this is this is one of the the The difficulties like in the verse Mu Mon. Who wrote this in the Eleventh Century? Patently this was the last collection of Collins before China was occupied by the Mongols. It said just because it is so clear it takes as long to realize it if you if you quickly acknowledge the candlelight is fire then you'll find that the rices long being cooked. It's a once a home in some life. You're already this way. No just going back to what the Buddhist at the wonder one. This is nothing more one wonderful. Then I all beings to great earth. The wisdom virtue of the awaken wants US nece but we overlook that I am awake into us and we put it in the future when I become awake because we think awakening should look like something else and we create this whole level of suffering rather than really Latin that aspect in but it is difficult to let it simply because we would like it to be a better way different way waiting for society to change. Wait until we got some respect waiting till the weather's better invest another story from from tradition to though is One of one of the things that they would use it. A Haiti monastery is the weather in terms of practice. So this this one Buddha's enlightenment session. Beginning of December. The the teacher that was Kinda Lazy he just he just opened all the doors and windows and newsline the third or fourth day and he's like minus minus Tan. Something maybe eighteen nineteen hundred height and the people decide that just freeze it because they can address co they can only west things who got layers and lazy probably putting all of the layers of clothes on you know they've gone or at least you bonds and Komo knows and stuff like that until till like somebody was driven to complete to the extra not singles. S fucking call. He goes when you say this is. This is the thing we overlook the basics of our lives. We don't value what we already have this thing like mother's Day. Is You value mothers? Maybe most of the time you don't even give it a thought but it's raising up that aspect appreciation not only of others of one's own life while this month may be looking for. Oh please give me some instruction tell me about the emptiness of the five conditions. You know you know so. Get some good ideas about what you know how. Things can be improved very obvious. Yeah Okay then. Wash your balls. It's very obvious. Practic- quench practice. We do this then. We have lunch you know but then the attention really should be on lunch and enjoy lunch unseen what practices in the midst of eaten. You know and then whatever occurs and sequentially. That's what the practice is. It can't be another way because it isn't in a you know just like like people come. I say a retreat. That will do here. And then people think that the retreat over a twelve o'clock or whatever but then this cleanup you know. But it's life is equal. Attention should be done to the cleanup and then taking taking care of putting things back making sure he's taken care of and then in time what happens in terms of one's own life is the every activities important resting is important. You know it's not country. No well when I get to so and so I will practice or when no practicing occurring so like when you rest really rest enjoy yourself. You know. See what life is at this moment in time. See if you can escape your original cell flip it over rather trying to find yours trying to escape it flip. It is important to play these games. Because then you'll see the all of these things are just games. Life occurs whether we like it or not the stream of life constantly flying you come always be objectively looking at things in China to appreciate something else is just immerse yourself in life in itself in the washing up and you know wash up see what you mind goes to the soul much that can go on. Cbs reflective of the reality. This occur at any given time so much fun said yes I have. So what is that digestion? When you really digest today how does say enlightenment? Show in terms of one's own living. Can It really be tied down? I mean that's a good. That's a good start. Remembers in Lightman isn't a state shedding light onto a circumstance. I mean some sometimes circumstances very difficult. We we Tend to mistake. Have in a the things feel good right all the time. That's not so you may be really trusting in in your own instinct. Tom Something and holding to what you really really feel is true to your own bones. Still doesn't feel right but the important thing is how much you really do that. Really trust in that then. There's no regrets. No matter how easy or hard it is and as we know in life you know sometimes you know just like with. Eaton is licensed tons of food taste. Good you gotta learn to get past that if you if you need to eat something that's nutritious you can see all kinds of things in it. It doesn't mean that he's fixed him more way. I remember in the In the LA riots. Where WE'RE Z? Cla and some people wanting to escape. There's no guarantee you escape into something. That's better but the important thing is. How do you do the best that you possibly can within those circumstances and then learn from it the only ideal in life is how life is? That's the only thing and how much you really trusting in your in your own practice realization. You know how much you apply that new questions of to this point is it also like the evening. Your Rice is just just to be taking exactly. Yeah I mean. Some people can't even do that. You know from superior to continue. Just you know if you're lactose intolerance and you keep your mach exactly. Yeah exactly unless you had to learn what works exactly by being aware to your Of Your own body. You'll get that you know people come here go. This isn't like age fussy relevant if these expectations are how can you take it in? You know the important thing is wet wherever I stand them practice occurs. It's not all the time or the place because those things never exist ECON economy. Just well he and I hear over and over like studying so and so accessible then the same thing is. Have you eaten yet? Allowed that in because a lot of people that just interested in how? It appears on the surface. They don't dive in and see how that really is and the next big lead to express that truth whether the other person's except that are not the question in light it is it. Is it something that can be? Lost pained the periods of Mike McClure as well. That's something you could find out for yourself. You know what I mean. It's it's not. It's not that is the awakening in itself is is this. Can you lose that? No but you can get lost in pool but true. You know what we say true. Enlightenment is the You. Don't give yourself that that option of Falling into things of course offering is always that you know in many ways. It's just like standing on on on on on an edge. She can see enlightenment delusion but you can learn to use delusion. Enlighten wise as people can can use enlightened experience to create delusion by trying to fix it and put it in quantify it. You can't do that. You Know Enlightenment is is. This is the experience of living in itself without without an escape. There's no escape from this tried. I've tried many years how to escape this very Har. How'd you escape this but if you think there's something else that's delusion? Dilution is a great word it means splitting the light. So I'm here. I wish I was in Hawaii but it doesn't work it just doesn't work you know on the other hand is that you can use delusion to to benefit to you. Know like we We usually regard ordinary kind of conversation about all kinds of things as delusion but you can recognize the delusion of a building building bridges bombs with with With one another talking about things of common interest. It doesn't mean you have to be stained by you can use those things building contact an understanding of somebody else and you can read all kinds of things into it which will be beneficial in terms of a relationship. You know. It doesn't mean that you have to make these hardened pass lines in these things but not be afraid of delusion but it doesn't mean that you have to act how on those things either no so the thing is those things but you don't need a hard and fast thing. Yeah I mean line so what? What does that do so I'm deluded. So what the phrase of my Zamira she said you know said. Are you enlightened? He said No. I'm thoroughly deluded. And that's great. You know it's like why do you need something else? Why do you need a shadow of enlightenment delusion? I'm thoroughly doing what I do. You use the word. Dilution you can use the word enlightenment that just ideas now. The thing that the Buddha did you could take his word for it that he was in line if you wish but it was his activity t the was the thing that has come down to the present day. The wasn't a day where he didn't practice teach and teach him basically was contact. Contact with people navigate upon that navigate. And you know they say died when he was about eight something. That wasn't that wasn't easy to do. He showed up. That's the biggest part of his teaching and we tend to overlook that biggest part of being a mother is show up. You know you're always that you're always teaching whether it's positive negative. You know in in terms of a teacher. I am not a teacher if I don't show up because I'm not teaching teaching the way you know. I mean you can't help but be new you. I used to this still teach on that level but this is the important thing is a mean dog and probably messed Adoga. Who is born? I think he's twelve hundred. Died in about twelve fifty two or three. It's hard to tell with the Japanese because they start your age with conception not not birth so my zoom euro. She was what six sixty five in Japan? But we've got to sixty for our age so you're going to do that translation and absorb losing. It must've Dogan said practice. Realization that hyphen hype. No Dash Dash things dash practice realization. The practice this realization not realize that's GonNa come or is in the past practice this realization over and over what makes that work is wholeheartedly put into practice. It's not distancing when I become that we'll be able to do that is no practice realization this moment in time and that includes all. It's not just well. I'm done now. I'm enlightened you guys. You're going to struggle through. This is that we practiced together no matter who is here. We practiced together sometimes. That manifest is great cooperation sometimes conflict. But he's still the practice in the midst of that so that we can all learn. We can all move forward in that process from beginning to end that. That's what was passed on to me by my own teachers. So that was his main thing was. I was a practitioner. Second he was a teacher. The practice went on from beginning to end. It never ceased right from the beginning. I'm still doing the same things I did when when I when I first started practicing first time aside eating going to the bathroom working flap in the lips. You put the emphasis wherever you want. But it's all life you know this is. This is beneath my dignity is. Is it really if you want to do anything then? There's not really a problem if you draw those lines. I shouldn't do this do that. Is that then? Perhaps Spicer practice become unavailable to it becomes a much narrower thing whatever is in front this is practice if this is happening in my life this is what needs to be taken care of and again this failure the success all of these things apart of living but the important thing is low keep on going over and over see where we and then josue opening his mouth showed his goal bladder and revealed his heart and liver the monk haring it did not grass really grasp the fact he would mistake. Abell for pot and that's what we do this human beings you know we have this Wonderful Life. I mean Belen apart you know they have the right place in fact Some some really good if you if you hit them you know. I've never actually cooked him. One of these these you know but the but the thing is you know we have again. This is a valued thing that he's put a note he's value in the bell over a pop in this in this way but again is no matter what life is and this. This would be a Mike criticism of this is that you may regard yourself as not being what you would like to be but you have to learn to value what you already are and what you have nobody in this universe since the beginning of time has been you. I mean how. How do you value that? I mean can you go back? No we can't this is this is. This is truly a unique experience that each person has. You can't put yourself down for doing. You can't be anything other than you are. So the important thing is to shed light and see how that thing functions one of the one of the reasons that we can we can relate to one another is that we have similar experiences. The mind works in similar ways. That's you know that's the way I still bring up these these these cases from you know again. This is Joe Shoe actually lived in nine nine century. Someone like that. So eight something. And he's saying things that we still experiencing today a lot of people say she's acculturated to that particular culture. You know this is very similar we today. We do some things that they do. You know. There's nothing new age about this. You know he's living human beings we take care of things. How do we? How do we really appreciate what we have? And they all comes down to that again. Joe Shoe basically. He's just putting it back to where we stand appreciate this. If you don't have appreciation what you have you can have everything in the world. You don't appreciate it then. There's GONNA be problems. I mean this one. One of the reasons the say ecologically and society now. He's we don't appreciate where we have all the efforts that have gone into it. You know for you know. It's just like all these. These people are all the we can't learn from history because that's not what what's happening now can learn much simply because the human mind is is very similar you know they say they say that I think he was like seventy five thousand years ago when the modern wholemeal Homo sapiens. Really developed saying if you gave one one of those seventy five thousand year old well actually wouldn't be said if they will. Now you give them a cell phone you could teach him in twenty minutes out of use the same mind basic. We haven't improved in that. Of course we can't do that but you know just please give me. It's just we are the same humanity in that way but we had the same diseases which is thing. We don't appreciate what's in front of us you know. It's just like this thing. Make America Great. You know America's great you. There's no need to make it something else. Make it in somebody's image recognition of what we actually have the country that we have the society that we had the great experiment that it is trying to make it make something like putting a another head on top. We don't need it. You know we will ready got this but again. It's that disease the human beings you want something better rather than seeing what we have. There's no problem in making something bad about i. You have to see what you have the same mentality where want to make it a bit easier in Africa. So the they say well we need better agriculture so we sent him a whole bunch tracked his over there and then run out of gas in the same position. It's not really looked out. What do we need as human beings wise the next step that we need? What is now looking at the circumstances and the situation that we already have and in many ways. You know the the beauty of Joe Shoes. He's just saying the obvious. Just look at what you have over and over and over then then he points up to now going to finish all right. Well thank you and again. This appreciate our mothers of all shapes and sizes.

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Yokoji Zoom Dharma Talk #1

Yokoji Zen Dharma Talks

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Yokoji Zoom Dharma Talk #1

"I guess we're on so We're in unknown territory with this. This zoom gaylon shaking. He said he So can you all hear good? Great Child's attitude. Great Brian. All right so obviously is going to be a learning curve with this broadcast would do in. Olso just bad with as I'm going to do a presentation on the presentation on not knowing his most intimate Seems like that is something going going on for us All right now with the Kerr Corona virus. And we don't know what's GonNa Happen Ultimately Book. We have the strength to go through this in whatever way we do This people now from you're listening to so that was nice I will stop by reading the Cohen. Don't think I'm GONNA stick with Coa but it's a good starting point erasers things now after I've done. The presentation will open the of full questions answered dialogue. So it we go. Joe Shoes Jesus not knowing. His most intimate preface to the assembly profound talk of entering the principal derides three and Rennes the full. The Broadway of show on run seven vertically in eight horizontally suddenly opening your your mouth to speak decisively and lifting your foot to tread firmly. You should hang. You're traveling bag and bowl a break. Your staff tell me who is such a person main case tension must've Jeez oh asked Hogan where have you come from a pilgrimage aimlessly replied Hogan what is the matter of your pilgrimage has? Jeez oh I don't know replied Hogan not. Knowing is the most intimate remarked. Jeez oh that Hogan experienced great enlightenment. The appreciative reverse right now. Investigation repeat it is the same as before utterly free from minute. Obstacles won't comes to not no shawl to show long as long pruning and grafting according with high according with low each is even an content family Matter of abundance or thrift issues freely according to circumstances feels and lands excellent sportive once. Figo where they will the matter of thirty years. Pilgrimage Ecclesia transgression against one side. Grow so again. We're in unknown territory. This not knowing. We don't know how this is GonNa turn out but you know that's the basis of life it's like May Tolkien Usually what I do is I start full. Can I can receive feedback by seeing. You seen the people who around and then that dictates what what I say. What can what people are interested in? But in this case I can't really read much in the way of body language because you're a very small. I'm seeing about four of a met. An Eugene you drift next one will come in etc but this unknown is You know with the with the virus it It really strike into the coal. We've never been in this situation before My parents would tell me about the nineteen eighteen pandemic nineteen a lot of people died in that But I'm not dwelling on aspect of Of DASS the important thing is how we lived through this in one of the problems with The aspect of dwelling in not knowing Is the fact that quite often. We tried to late prejudice. No so this is how it was in the past. This is what I felt was true but again with each situation ultimately when he comes back to how how we how we live with faced wits this vast empty unknown in which anything can be written is not like his static in that way. Now that's how it is right now but things occur. I was watching Governor Andrew Cuomo on the TV. And I was. I was impressed. By the way that he's dealing with the pandemic New York The one of the things that he said immediately. We don't not we've not been in this situation. We don't know how these things are gonNA turn. But what's most important is important for each one of us to see that. What's most important is that we get through this together. -ociety we affect one another. We How how we act on a on a momentary basis how we follow the guidelines given to combat. This means a lot to everybody else around us. We really are in this together. And I've never a fell tennyson like this before in so You know please please feel my my feelings for for all you know. I hope to see they ended this the other the other end if we follow guidelines and we do the best that we possibly his greatest chances that occur so going into this Cohen. Most of the time in terms of spiritual practice we we have this sense of. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa progress in my practice. I hear it over and over. Better Camden Mind's going to com- Then people say I am I. Am I doing okay from the Outside? You know Practice which is fine. You know each of those does that. It's nice to get some outside feedback on it but ultimately comes down to this not knowing nobody has been you ever in this universe before this moment in time. Nobody's been blessed with your ingredients. You may not think of it as being the last you know. I mean some of sometimes I think success in I remember Again Perot she Who's my Inca teacher You know he would. He would tell me tension. Don't become a teacher. Zen Teacher he said because I didn't listen to me. He said that's my mother to don't do that thinking that my mother had more power but unfortunately that wasn't the but the thing the thing is with this is is the unknown the dealing with the unknown with with people just in general and then the unknown also of the development of each one of us. You know again is As human beings the unknown we enter into we find out. I remember with my daughter. Brothers and sisters. They always talking about enlightenment in the days. And you know people were saying well enlightened GonNa be like this and then I remember Joko who succeed from edge. Oko Back is pretty famous these days. I'd probably about ten years ago. She was very disappointed by enlightment. It didn't it didn't feel it didn't fit. What have rejection of enlightenment was so you know like For others they. They felt very satisfied for myself. I was very happy. Licensing was put on one side true while in that not level. You know the end of this Coombe Hogan who ends up being. The leader of a stack to Buddhism has an enlightening experience. But what is that? It becomes obvious so now I'm Jim. I'm jumping around a little bit When I first started practice mind was very much. Today's and Suzanne. I'd never met teaches had never met. Anyone told me how to meditate. But my mind wasn't as when I sat you know just like I'm doing now is not much difference into these seen through these eyes into newses smelling tasting touching experience in the world It would it would allow my mind to Seattle and I wouldn't be run so much. My own ideas notions beliefs. And even though it was really boring I can only sit for about three minutes. I was drawn to again. There was no end to this. Accent may be possibly the promise of the ended suffering all the feeling that that he's possible be returning home but it is unknown and the process really was from finding out this over and over a point after a couple of years practicing developed thoughts. Sort of war really thin and scared the hell enemy in our certain Aaron my stories just in reach it anymore you know is my discussions myself of what I was doing. Why was going No longer Reached that that grounded being under seeing now the vast entity unknown not knowing what you know whatever label you put on it then. Those fear arose dislike for each one of us in this situation again. The unknown the fear rises but then part of that is Being able to sit still in the midst of that fear in again this is applicable to was now and Really see the dynamics of fear for me I can. Maybe say. Two Dynamics is warm. Which is a to allow the fear to go into the realm of thought you know is going to turn out this way. It's GonNa be such in such a person now. Remember uh go. I'm GONNA go nuts with this. You know nothing. Drearily settled bombing. So that's that was allowing it to run. But now if you actually allow yourself to experience a comeback and use that energy to be really present to to whatever's going on then you see that that that fear doesn't have to go in that direction you see you can actually sit with it. Fear is a very strong energy. experiences Fully a deeply. And you can see that. It's basically the mind preparing to do something. That is difficult than one. Style is realized and Thea just the way of gathering the mind and then stand sitting still in the midst of whatever it is that you need to do in the news in the energy to get through. Whatever it is the you need to do so you have maybe two choices that now with the second one. The impressment is also includes. You'll your environment rather than the ideas. The earned one so mind. You know you begin to see the people around you because the energy is coming real to be to be really pressing. Now say this you know Basically from being in the LA riots. Not that I was participating in it. I didn't get any stuff I saw a lot of people. We stop the sentence still in in it and then you sing. How people are around and the Really feeling that's more that sensitive of commune itchy. Becoming into want. We're in this together and that's more important when that's fell than this then is more of a sense of of. Yeah we can go through this raw than I am. Isolated from the situation not fair you know basically wants his tame vast energy but once it is experienced in that way you use it in positive ways what can be done. What is needed here? What can be again is though we are not palace in the midst of this and then the other part of the unknown is a It should be realized that an I'm saying this for myself is I don't know for more than I know. That's just a fact you know there's there's a colon the Kids swigs Josue. Nansen where Joe Shoe Johnson it you know if you don't know it is the way. How do you know it's the way Nansen says the way doesn't belong to knowing not knowing k? And then he goes on and says more on that you know knowing this basically putting something over the top and not knowing can be blind consciousness so the the important thing here is is like if I am faced with something? It's very important with this. Not Knowing to allow that to function so let that cover the whole area and then receive information. Pieces of direct action can be put into place just in the same way now that they're finding out stuff wits With a corona virus that lend in the way that it operates and that that beginning to to fill in the gaps which will help with the treatment. But it's all coming in from that not knowing and obviously to is going to be different from person to person. The problem is with this. We start to put over assumptions over the top. It's going to be a certain way but there's no money saying that really is going to be this way the way that it is the way that we go through it now. One of the things that is essential in this. Cohen is the word. Attention is the first word in each of these columns in the in the book of Equanimity. And it is it is is so important. Because that's how we find out is by paying. Attention is just paying attention to whatever wherever weather's logical small allowing that to come to the surface and then that's how. Colin is worked with again Cohen in the sense of making uneven unevenness even being hall oneself merging with the situation. If it's a daily lifetime calling so I just really wanted to encourage you in this. This pot is if you sort of At home allow yourself some time to experience the unknown and befriended in one way or another. No if we go a little bit deeper into this column with the with Master Hogan he's the main figure even though it's Jeez oh who? Is the teacher in this in this process is the? He's so immersed in what he's doing the when he's asked he doesn't have a plan you know it doesn't even say well you know. I'm I'm here now but then goes off to San Diego and then I'm going to go over to Tijuana and then go over to New York and he probably knows that he probably knows where he's going. He's probably got these high tin airy sat but he's mine is so focused on what he's doing. The the teachers can recognize. This goes you know basically I guess I should read it so I don't make my own Cohen. He goes wedged. You come from now. People ask that Savelli easy question. You know And he goes I- pilgrimage aimlessly which is very pressing. A very present thing is not saying you know Manchester Long beachell old wherever you know he says. I will image aimlessly. The aimlessly is important. Because it doesn't matter if you have a name in life is you have to have that not knowing to be flexible enough to change the plans as they occur. Just like many of us have plans in life. You know like I planned to get a fifteen song. Set play the play of the day with a bunch of other people but that may not be possible. So what is that to be done? The main thing is being pressing see what occurs do the things that are necessary to achieve that but at the same time have that aspect of not knowing is see the quite often. We'll do a black hole white saying where it's I will say it. It won't to Kosovo that for. I won't do anything RAW. Save will occur an plan with everybody else in it. And then there'll be a lot of difficulties in that simply because it'll probably be something in between so the main the main thing with that is your PA pop in this and obviously this is this is Wa Hogan is doing is lost in the pilgrimage wherever he stands not that he's lost in the temple that he's in wherever he stands. It doesn't matter whatever he's doing. I won the aimlessly. Now the thing is is the twist so sophisticated? Nowadays is the many teachings. It sounds good. You know is like a cliche. I won the aimlessly three free as bud or whatever you WANNA put in that one. The aimlessly sounds good. Sounds Very Buddhist. Taoist along those lines also truth of it. Really the aim again. Is that if you want to practice the practice because now you ought to practice enlightenment that much you know that practice it now the shedding light on the place that you stand the thing that you will see. Alternately is again the way is not written. That is the unknown over and over and over. So you can see this. Even the window in Hogan statement to this point in time and then Jeez oh than goes What is the matter matter of? You'll pilgrimage and Hogan says I don't know now. Most of the time we hit that you know is I I hear is almost like the teenager. No that's not the kind of not knowing minore did. That's an abdication said application any response ability. You know in that in that way. I don't bother me. I'm fine being finest great and the same time is this. I don't know that's that's the bottom line. I don't know and that's beautiful from from that perspective again that he's just been shown to us right that I don't know now. Obviously this is. This is some thin as human beings so we can aspire to and the flip side of that. He's always remember is not knowing in situation. Means that then you got. The information is an empty field. That where you can bring in say prejudice you know when I say prejudice. I don't mean that in a negative sense. I mean prejudice in the sense of I've been in this situation before and it was like this soil bearing in mind as part of it shooting being also experiences another aspect of that would place in this over an unknown where many different things can come out and then the important thing is that in the finding out you know a lot of people when they come to to the center dome. They don't know the questions to ask is just like quite often is the The the so-called once feel the most dumb maybe the most most profound on some levels because they match many of the people. But it's the finding of those questions and then being able to articulate them and then seeing if that really feels right now feels ride than move all carry on if he doesn't really look at that because that's also important to refine one's instinct into ish because that ultimately won't steer you wrong again instinct and intuition a not well recorded you know. People say that but they tend to be pushed on one side because they're so intellectually driven. Now this is the second pa. Maybe maybe more than the SEC. Maybe said a full but our reliance on intellect in this is that there's such Dr to know and to know many different things that we forget and then to go into old ally that unknown rather than going yet. These things are known bull. Now what's important is to see these apply so they don't remain fixed as facts that that applied in one's life and see if they were all put on one side for later see when these things can occur but I hear it over and over. You know he's the one person say guess a degree own gets a PhD. Whatever then does does a degree that we start to self define ourselves rather than an openness then to learn an anyplace place anywhere in many ways you could say that occur in education system. Really the main thing is learning how to look so like for myself is As a teacher is I am learning from the students on the momentary basis emceeing the body language MC in. How how the person works. I'm seeing how they apply this to to live in situations how much Israel Song Ken. And there's an immersion in that but it all starts from that base of the annot remember when my my son. Nick was at an all anything from us to to about twelve. I would think had a work down. The things that worked for you know in my mind is easy. Now got it down and then like like that might work for a few days. Put that change. Change it and I think more in many ways. I think he was the one in control that you know. Because he's good. And is leaded bass amounts is like a psychologist whose practice on the patient. May you know and now he's sort of in unknown territory. I don't know how is independence thing is step in in that way but this unknown and being comfortable in the unknown allow it allowing it to be a motivator is so important again. That's applicable across the board in terms of the situation of the we stand it now I'll I'll look in the COA on a little bit more. Just to bring out some salient points in the in the written pots. And then we'll open it to some conversation things about half an hour or so is not bad for a toll and then we'll see if it works may most most of the preface in here is about naturally function the unknown in many ways. We don't know how to walk. We just do it and if we had to think about it it would be a problem. I find the when I when I do carpentry nowadays from doing something like join the. A Re requires a family in an intense amount of light preparation and knowledge basically and not done it for a while. I find the. I don't know if I can do this. You know and then what I what I tend to do is go just do it to stop and then usually things that then fall into lights again coming from the unknown these things come back in. You can imagine if we had to know all these things that we do. Life is the ahead to be solved full and things not in bonded. And that's the other PA again. Let these things be embedded so you know. A lot of this. is It goes suddenly opening your mouth to speak decisively lifting your foot to tried firmly. You should hang up traveling. Rovan ball break. Y'All staff tell me who is. Such a person may not screech. One of us doesn't mean that you have to go anywhere to to travel to the on pilgrimage. Life in itself is a pilgrimage again pilgrimage Asli races the value of our own way. So you know like people go to maca or so. My friends have been doing the The pilgrimage routes across Spain France in a certain beauty in doing that And adjoining woods ancient ways the old religious practitioners but that aspect to pilgrimage. The all the time we're finding out those new scenery in our lives. Confirm this on now is very important by. They say you don't need to go anyway. Dorgan said that but of course you know he went to. I don't know thousand miles or so to China to study. Each one of us has to do what we have to do. Is She in the to to bring our own mind? Ps to really experience this freedom within the unknown so Again without leaving your seat in your in your seats to gum for competition. Whatever but this is your pilgrimage don't underrate at one of the one of the things. The many people do nowadays is they demean the basic consciousness. No this doesn't have much value for. I'll fill it with these things. Just look at the wonder of battery died on the laptop will technical. Difficulty rebooting signed Different computer so I somewhat lost the the tried to this time. I think at this point. Let's let's try some interaction And then I can go on and you tangent seems like a good good place so technical difficulty so we can going on just the way we'll function as if people can raise their hand that should be depends on what kind of device you should be able to raise your hand feature. That will be able to see. Who's asking the question on on New Liam Liam Cost Saver Rim handwritten so high? Okay so I guess that one didn't work so any anyone will questions on this just scrolling through to see okay so I guess I need to try that okay. We're GONNA allow every onto themselves. So the zoom savvy amongst you. If you'd like to join the conversation club please. If one person speaks will let them have for flow with a question. I could for those of you if you go to participants at the bottom of your screen and click on it. Then there's a window will open and you can click on raise. Hand is a button that says rate and in and the host of the session can see. He's raised a hand gusting. Okay Rebecca Collins. Rebecca Harry on extension. I just want to thank you. Most of all this is needed and appreciated and amazing and who twenty years ago that we were able to do something like this. It's so good to see I know very much appreciated and I wanted to thank for the night meant as Weightman of shedding light on the place that you stay. It's it's a good reminder and I wonder if you could talk a little bit about doing that moment by moment. Yeah do it. That's the that's the main thing is don't share July elsewhere delusion basic means splitting the light so that's also important. How do you split ally is like As as much as I would like everything to be okay and possibly normal and if I think that than take 'em take away my attention from this place the shedding of light onto his flights when my mind is on this place than there's nothing entering amendment spoils The experience of this the world can come in you know and again is quite often. I will carry all around the dominate. Soon as I let let those go than the world can come in. Everything comes in in that way. So that's important Doggone putting dog and put it in a different way. He said practice realization It's not some other realization. It's this fact. I can see hear taste. Smell thing so practice this the thanking some bit more tricky putting on one side until the Senate Sensors come forward so I mean that's that's what I would say on it for now but don't worry too much about thought you know we give it way. Too much. Value is a beautiful thing. But you know again go come be for you kind of interest at night. I go to sleep and I'm usually not thinking might be dreaming sometimes but then I come out from nowhere and the Wilshire know so We get more technical typically eight but luckily some support. Is that enough of that? That question yes thank you. I do want to say from zoom experience that those participants who aren't actually speaking. It's best if you arm muted When others are speaking so that we don't need fear it's just got attention. Thank you great and so we got to use next. Okay Kerryon anx row. She are you welcome. Hi thanks everybody else keeps Jokai. And every and cou cou and all of you Mokoena were holding down on this It strikes me in practicing not knowing particularly this week that it takes a so much patience on my part to just be willing to say to stay in. Not knowing my impatience. Get in the way and I. That's the hardest. Some hardest part for me. Yeah yeah no I mean I agree with you but the thing is just make sure that not knowing this is not a `nother thing you know. He says the not knowing always that you know whether whether we like it. A novel in many ways have become very good at covering it up not allowing that through obviously Would be asked. Was You know by Various people to stay in which you know. Obviously that's what we need to do. The same is that they're also emphasizing light displacement activities. Lots of what the time to Binge. Watch movies which is good but at the same time. It's just make sure you have some slight destroy experience the unknown and then whatever arises that because one of the things we say about practicing anything is if you practice being present to in practice the unknown she becomes off. Amelia to the point where you know it. It's not it's not a thing it's an aspect of our own beer and we know where the other the other paths lead busy guest right k next person Ciro win. Maybe sorry blow hand here. We go I everybody hiking. There were no suiting up from being with our Songa digitally this morning so good. Thank you so much doing this. And we'll thankful attack is here to your staff and cogent remotely. Well they on. We brought solution down the mountain with us. You know last Sunday. They have have tried to stay with that. Of course the first thing we were hunted with was. Let's get a coffee and we pulled up starbucks in it was close the major disaster. We drove through the drive through a in his came out. It was a little bit of a shock. Just want to know. My father always accused me of rain. Were Games I just wanted to add an observation. Nine seventy nine of US coming together here in the middle of all of this knowing is certainly most intimate. I'm very grateful for that for the teachings and I think I'll just stop there. Thanks appreciate it. Russ Maria Rosa Maria in Kenya on here. Can you hear me yes I can? Can you hear me yes I've got? Thanks it's trek me when you save following the guidelines I've been trying to follow them. A in as much as possible with essential I go out in reflecting on ad in in Wanted to ask you. She could talk more about Satan ourselves in saving olders to save ourselves. And that's Kinda how an guidelines so you talked a little more on that I mean this many aspects to it I mean obviously his morale and Finish like this improved. The morale is. That's a that's a good guideline. We do what we can along those lines. I mean obviously amongst one another is the gift of now. The're not take taking care of people as best as best. We can obviously to take care of our own hygiene Benefits on those two in this in this respect I mean In many ways the things that improve my Morales Is contact with other people then also Making sure that I have appears in time to check in and in my own emotion likes and obviously spills it on to other people and obviously with the communication is refined out. What's going on and that helps in terms of when we have to go shopping and stuff light out in the guidelines state. They changed this important to you know. Try Try and Follow Johnson. Obviously question them and see the rationale behind two in the main. I think I've been some really good stuff in general from the Many media sources. I'M NOT SURE. Tham answering your question but you know it plays if I'm not taking from another angle. Yeah I guess it's more of I wanted to hear more your Taken to How we help others in in also having that were announced that or impact of trying to help others in also bring harm in. I guess that's just kind of it's kind of a tricky situation. You want to be out there too of surveys especially for healthcare providers. You're out there on the front lines healthy no of errors in so. That's that's where I think my mind lately. How yeah there is out there. Yeah I have a lot of appreciation for the people that You know now do not. Susan's doing that now. She says she could maybe say something if she wants to some point you know we've got We've gotTa have not knowing experts. He has upset experiences within Venice. But first responders people who can install tremendous appreciation for in that way. And obviously if we're called upon. We'll do what we can. I am ways the supportive of this a national international action 'cause The living in itself is the most important thing quality of that. I don't I don't know really what else to say on the thank you so much John next good morning everybody your me Okay yes. I can very warning okay. This has been good morning. This has to do more with something. That's come up or does the Cohen. And I've noticed that in here it can get a little dicey with adjectives. Lost my sense of tenderness misplaced it. never had it. I don't know but it's coming up for me lately that I I need to have more of a bit of tenderness when it comes to. Gosh I guess it would start with myself now that I really think about that and your than others so I was wondering if you could maybe a little bit because I think it's really needed right now especially the way that I see people acting at the stores and stuff like that and yeah but that's just kind of an outside issue. Yeah I remember that you know that they're not you if you want to be as vice influenced practice notice your chance. You increase the odds of that occurring in terms of living people learn from that mean. I've seen so many wonderful things. Not just even with driving is that people have been very careful in terms of drive in a knock stimulating pan-asian no like everything in it. In shops they I have seen the other stuff too but personally I don't really WanNa be like that so I don't think he'll practice now. I know I can you know but The practice of that we can detect you know. Obviously we can develop a society is more reflective of the attributes out. The more we do that the more saying the more it can be taken on. We don't always have to be drilled by the drama and Number story of of a lot of the show is that we say you know 'cause we tend to imprint as human beings. Maybe even consciously with that kind of thing. Would you try to take the bull by the horns and stop to practice? Those things that are important and you'll see does make a difference in in limit Those things can always spread meditation. You know it's It's unquantifiable in the account. Save this is what it doesn. As the results it works meant mentally emotionally physically like yoga clean and in that way morale all of these aspects are affected by. It doesn't work in away and it's the same kindness through positives. So if you don't think you tend you know your pricing much in the way attendances that. I. I don't think I'm tender. I don't think I'm compassionate. I don't think I'm wise but it is important for me to practice that much that I know of those things because you know the whole thing is open ended by this rollout do that because I know where the other side goes. I have those you know. I had the violence. I have own perfectly. Cognizant don't watch and especially in these in these times it doesn't mean you have to agree with everything whenever every body book you know obviously have someone who stand in when you see things on the outside no see he really wanted to give them all that much okay. It was more of. It was more of a Yankee located. Thanks yeah he's that you know is that to be practiced. Put it that way. It's not something that's going to come from elsewhere. You have okay thank you. Let's let's the end of the hands that are raised but we have allowed people to UN mute themselves so I see SACO sent go. Hello thanks see you my hat I just WANNA say hello. My Name's John Rosenthal. I'm sorry I tell you what it feels like to see you so just in. I was in Palm Springs three months in two thousand eleven and started practice with you and I know you memories of Yemen and now I got to another another mayes ice out monastery in Russia. That's been really really great about the theme. I sort of have a question cook. Yeah that say. Give Him my regards. I will So with with regard to not knowing I guess this is something that just never ends. It's not as if you know you were talking about not knowing then dealing with situations that come up the way they sort of coalesce seven if you're open the You get some understanding of what's happening but would suddenly Saying it's just that you're just living but it's a process that that was the question. The comment is that You know I'm trying to read the play and I can't get a hold of it. I like to hold a book. It's on back order. Which is I think. Interest at the play would be on back order at Amazon right now but the thing that I remember book that Sorta about not knowing that that the way things could go at any moment as they are now inevitable is going to happen next. There's no explanation anything where you are and you can either be bitter by about it or you can take the only other approach which is to try to be kind to each other. Yeah which I think is what I remember about the book. Yeah so yeah now obviously try try to remain positive you know like fifty fifty you live or you die you know so folks on the Living Pot because the other one for me at least the morale pie for start thinking about that you know Bay Hong Fifth Round. That pot really doesn't help morale but no there's living now in that's back to me is the it's the most and for how how do. I live now through this big Lib well through this ends of chance when things get easier and I can see that the joy an I think maybe not knowing that I'm afraid the problem has not knowing. I think that I'm afraid things are going to turn out a certain way. Yeah that's that's you know again is I want to. I want to stipulate certain things and I'm GonNa not no that's fine. I want my not knowing turn out in a certain high. It's like like contractual but again like when I when I was born. No announce older. Nobody gave me a contract and said life is going to be this way as something that I have to find out and work with did it by slamming austerity. Can you know But again is that the thing that's overlook knowing his anything can come out at x Keno and if you pay attention then you've got a lot more chance of of a of a good outcome coming coming out of this and You know for me is again is the if we face to difficulties than we develop character. You know whatever that is you know. And and so it becomes easier to deal with these things when they occur. It's just an aspect of practice. You do. These things practice the unknown over over Nova rather than coming from a position of prejudice. I I know this. I know what it's Lyonel the outcome since like. This looks like something. What is it so more smaller aspect of? What is this and then you you. You've got a lot of tools and you can bring in and take the direction can be benefit south before Ramji so the the not knowing is just full is just full of outcomes basical and if that can be that you become a lot more flexible intend to dealing with things but I agree with you know man. I would like a outcomes to be a certain way but you know I don't spend them over whether time looking back I go yes. This'll be nice. And this is the way to aim towards it but I'll be flexible and save. It can be taken in a way that is beneficial to myself people around me so it's okay if it doesn't come out liberal you say is but that's again that's a value judgment is going to turn out the way turns out and I just know the if it's good or is good or bad dependent you know depending on what what occurs is the I have the strength to go through that and if I pray for anything I pray for the strength to go through. No don't look at me as an expert. You're an expert to each. One of us is as tremendous skills that have been embodied in this important levels out embodiments. Kim. Born and key event is deb. Deb Has a new herself. Okay dabid muted yourself. Then you have something. I can't see okay. I don't know I'm not good at the technology is that's the part. I don't know a lot of I don't know I didn't even see an option sore. My Hands Okay. Vote. Now you're on. Don't touch that is term sounds I see Liam Kia Saco you look you look tat succumb okay all right yeah WanNa yeah so annotations. I'm a retired nurse but I did do infection control for a while. So that is something. There's a bunch of that that I do know about this whole thing but you know outcomes how is GonNA show up? I don't know but the principal or the name and exactly what that Cohen saying about Just taking whatever's in front of you and I love that description you know very intimate in that is what I feel. 'cause IF I don't know something I stop and this is the benefit of the meditation. I get into that meditative state. D'oeuvres lists US on my senses. What is in front of me? What is the next indicated? Step yet But then then. I'm more affected Because actually I not doing a whole lot different because I go hiking. I did a three hour hike. This morning I hike every day I live alone. I work in the yard so I'm already isolated a lot but there are people around. I have some friends who are trying to get home to Wales. They can't things have been closed down. Flights cancel so that frustration too and I live in a community of older people. And you know just my heart goes out to them and it was The other day this is she a little levity Unicord Wednesay and I was going around hopping around outside places and enter the golfers and just bringing some laughter because brings thank immune. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah I speak. I try to donate blood. Because there's a shortage then. They were closed by there. So you know and actually. I start to feel powerless. When I get feel powerless I try to get into some action in the helps me get out of that but then there really is that practice. What would what were you saying before about? Yeah we grow from these things. We find out we what we can do. And there's that confidence gained. That's and Was Anna who's saying about the impatience at I have. I have a a trip scheduled to Scotland in. May Not sure if I'm going oh not I would like to new to now so I could the head thing plan ahead whether to cancel. Not but now this is a really good lesson for me to sit back and not get into that. I'm comes cancel ago and you go. I will do everything in my power. Another everybody on this on this zoom thing in Scud story like we're in we're in the room side. Yeah Yeah -nology too but Yeah I get to see them now at Cosco I that was fun. Great Yeah Jeff. Thank you anyway. So thank you for all this. Thank you go walking through this good. Okay so we're going to take one last question and I believe it was Liam's Fed on metered himself so lame. If you're still there can on mute yourself. Nah We're trying. We'll try. We don't hate yet. So which was still had. We still don't okay. I am here in an ardent spend a lot of companies which last to add to one of the greatest electric away from that was you said you know you can only be where you are so you know what. I actually is with that. Just being his arm than knowing. Yeah yeah is a lot more big. Yeah there's a lot more being unlocked that we don't know doesn't matter yeah. Yeah we don't know but we we realization in this situation last. We're all under swirled being in this together. Yeah so does it does it. Being is a being. That's much bigger than just me. Are Anybody would just being this. Yeah and I. I did a lot for a few days I was there. Yeah thank you so much for having a classic L. Nice to be part of this. I'm sitting here at my little little apartment On and you know we're all in the same knockdown situation though never Have Free Time more all in it together? Right it's an incredible. It is feeling you notice trepidation. And fear dissolves feud of being we. We don't know we don't know how it's going to turn now. North being on wor worth were on the right track. Yeah yes I mean what was I think they say for Pets Wrentham to that practice practice right? Somebody's thank you so much. Thank you live releases. All right so we've muted stuff's going to say anything. You'RE GONNA wrap for SOP getting right to the core of things is I really pray for everybody's health and wellbeing in Europe all important to me as a human being and please appreciate you lives in my Zamira. She'd say a pirate him really feel that way. Thank you and also give us some feedback on on how it worked. What didn't work and instead it's GonNa take a miles. Maybe not mostly everybody same streak. We we we. We know what we learned a few things. We're not chanting bows or any psychic. Because everyone's saying so again. Thank you for all you do and thanks for joining me today.

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5 Things That Are Guaranteed Winners IF You Do Them

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109 - Finding Your True Self

Secular Buddhism

15:32 min | 1 year ago

109 - Finding Your True Self

"Hello and welcome to another episode of the secular Buddhism podcast. This is episode number one hundred nine. I am your host no-one Rochetta today. I'm talking about finding one's true self and keep in mind. You don't need to use what you learn from mutism to be a Buddhist. You can use what you learn to be a better. Whatever you already are so? Let's start out with last week's Zenko on this was called time to die. Ik You zen-master was very clever. Even Vanessa boy is teacher had precious teacup a rare. Nt if you happened to break this cup in was greatly perplexed hearing the footsteps of this teacher teacher he held the pieces of the Cup behind him when the master appeared issue asked. Why do people have to die. This is natural explained the teacher. Everything has to die an has just so long to live issue producing the Shattered Cup added. It was time for Your Cup to die but this is a funny one. It makes me laugh as I try to picture this this to me. Reminds me of when you do something wrong. You're trying to figure out a a clever way to get out of. It and that's what I see in this co on for me. This is about cleverness about being skillful in that moment you could say skillful action and of course the obvious reminder that all things end but you know when when we talk about Cohen's there isn't an answer right. It's just a story and to me. The story reminds me of a couple things in for me. It's an invitation to act skillfully so that's all I'm going to say about that. One now a disclaimer I want to continue talking about more. Cohen's but these these are my opinions. That's all they are opinions and ideas that I'm sharing but they make sense to me. They may not make sense to you. you may come to conclusions and that's perfectly okay in fact with. Cohen's the moment you start to explain it and think to yourself well. I think the teachers saying Stop Stop Yourself right there. Interrupt your train of thought and say okay. I already got it wrong because that's how all these riddles are supposed to work so with that out of the way here are some of my thoughts on the idea finding one's true self so there's this notion of conceptual fog. What is that while we all know. What fog is if you've ever been in fog you now that you your view of things is severely limited where the expression comes from about no foggy nece whether that be foggy organise and what you see or what you're thinking said you're not seeing clearly but you break through and suddenly you see something you get a glimpse of how things really we are so when we're talking about? Buddhism were often talking about this conceptual fog this way of perceiving that is limited. What what is it that limits us from seeing things as they are concepts in our ideas? That's the conceptual fog another analogy that I use talking about. What colored lenses right? If you have colored lenses over your is the way that you see and perceive reality is tainted. It's will tinted specifically right and I see something because of the way that my eyes look through those lenses so our practice in Buddhism awesome is to remove as much as possible the lenses that distort our ability to see while at the same time understanding that we can't completely route removed them all because our nature is to have lenses right than were limited by seen with how we see in how we see is always going to be a tainted with a conceptual fog of beliefs and ideas and opinions and and all of that so what we're trying to do is change change our relationship with the way we see things even though the way we see things may never change and that's kind of a catch twenty two in all of this so let's chump into another famous riddle zone zone one. Cohen called Moo- now this is about Josue Josue a famous Chinese zen master who lived in Josue the province from which he took his name one day a troubled among approached him and intending to ask the master for guidance a dog walked by and the monk asked Joe. Shoe has that that dog a Buddha nature or not. The monk had barely completed his question. Joseph shouted Moo. Moo is often translated as I mean no so let me give you a little background to set up the question and explain why this is a riddle in the first place so this zen master stor in presumably the monk were from China where Mahayana Buddhism is the Predominant School of Buddhism and in Mehanna Buddhism. We learn about this this concept of Buddha nature which is the fundamental nature of all beings not just human beings so for this monk to ask does a dog have have Buddha nature. The answer should be quite obvious. A dog is a bean and all beings have buddha nature but jussieu shocks everyone with his answered learn new or no not only does he give the answer wasn't quite obvious. A dog is being therefore all beings have buddha nature sure but josue he gives the unexpected answer and he shouts it so the obvious an expected answer would have been yes however the Zen master shout no so what's going on for me the question about whether or not a dog has Buddha nature is fundamentally about the nature of existence. The monk is asking asking this question from a one-sided perception of existence the perspective that would have been expected and would have had one correct correct answer to the question so the Zen master answers with the question somewhat as a hammer to break open that conceptual fog in the amongst ordinary way of thinking now remember practicing with John consists mainly of taking a way what you are sure about expecially what you're sure about yourself. It's trying to pull the rug out from under your feet. It's trying to break the firm foundation on which you stand. Uh when it comes to what you know what you believe about yourself so understanding this it's interesting an immense seems quite obvious that the answer due to the question is no so the answer is yes and the answer is now and I think understanding or resolving moo or no is considered it to be the beginning of a lifelong practice of seeing things differently when we understand the implications of Mu it changes changes the way we perceive everything and keep in mind that Buddhism has many other teachings many other ideas and practices that also work towards accomplishing in the very same thing but I think this particular practice of Mu and working with Cohen's tends to be a very effective way so what we're trying aimed to do with this riddle today is open up a crack in the conceptual fog and to see something there behind it especially something about yourself aw so think about that does a dog have buddha nature no so with move in mind. Let's look at another co on this. One is about temper her then student came to bank another zen master and complained master. I haven't ungovernable temper. How can I cure it and the master Mr says will you have something very strange. Let me see what you have and the monk says will now. I can't show it to you. When can you show it to me. Asked ask bank it. Arises unexpectedly replied the student then concluded Bad K. It must not be your own true nature if it were you could show it to me at any time inc.. Fat over and I liked that. He ends up with think that over here. I'm exploring this idea that we are not our temper. What other things that we mistakenly think we possessed might also turn out to not be us. Japanese Zen Master Duggan says the purpose purpose of Zen is to find ones true self the way to this goal is to forget the self and I think the start of this process of forgetting begins with the the practice of Mu Nowhere. We stopped trying to grasp everything intellectually and instead we get absorbed into the practice of being of experiencing. Let's see now of course we're talking about Buddhism so there's this whole middle way of thinking where the middle way between trying to grasp things intellectually electorally and trying to just go with the flow. There's a middle way there. You need to find out what your middle way is but let's keep digging here at the exploration of finding our our own true nature. What does that even mean well in Buddhism. It's common to teach or to convey ideas of what something is by specifically pointing out to what it's not okay so. I know I'm not my temper. We've explored this idea. I know I'm not my thoughts. I know I'm not my opinions. I know I'm not my beliefs chiefs. I'm not my memories in that list goes on and on and on so what are we left with at the end of that path and I think it's interesting that we as the people have these ideas of who or what we are and the very word people are person comes from the word persona. That's defined defined as the aspect of someone's character that is presented to or perceived by others. Another definition is a role or character adopted opted by an author or an actor. I'd like to add my own definition here. Combining those two with a flavor Buddhism a role or character under attack by a bean that gets presented to or perceived by others and in that sense. I like to ask myself within what is my true nature. Uh perhaps my nature is to adopt an image a collection of ideas and beliefs. I have about myself and then I strive to present those to others and that that gets complicated because I'm also of the nature to create roles or characters that I have for others that I perceive them to have for me so we're stuck in this situation where there's me. There's who I think I am. Those are already two different things. There's who you think I am. That's the third one one there's who I think you think I am. There's a fourth one and that goes on and on and on right all these roles that were juggling that we're trying to put out there and interpret it about who we think we are and then of course there's the problem of of time and in permanence. I want to find my true self. Okay which which one the one of right now are the one in five minutes ago or is it the true self of tomorrow or the one in five years from now and then add the complications of interdependence which true Southam I looking for the one that's me when I'm hungry or when I'm scared. That's a different verdict version of me. When I'm happy I'm content so which one is the the true self and perhaps what I'll find in my quest to find my true self. Is that there is no true self. There is only the knee that I am in the present moment influenced just by countless moments in time that have led to this precise moment and countless variables and factors outside of myself that make myself how I am. I am in this moment and I really liked the thought of that. It allows me to have the freedom to explore who I am right now. Now the me of this specific moment and maybe I'm just an actor in this cosmic movie of life and I happened to be so good acting that. I believe that I'm really the part that I'm playing that my true self that's a thought I like. I like exploring that one and I must say there's nothing wrong with having a persona so now there's nothing wrong with playing part. I think it's inevitable for us to play these parts because that's what we do were human beings in our human. The nature is it. That's our human nature and if I was up I was to wake up and realize oh I've been playing a part and now I want to stop playing the part. I'm going to be playing the part of someone who stopped playing the right. There's no way to escape the the part plane that we do so for me. It all goes back to this wonderful. Buddhist term of skillful means. I understand my true self. How can I go about being more skillful willful version of myself. What parts of my character are no longer skillful and can be modified adjusted to be better for myself and for of those around me and how can I change the relationship. I have with the character that I'm playing. I guess I'm going to say think had over for a bit and again. These are just my thoughts. They may be complete nonsense but I'm happy to share this nonsense with you and speaking of nonsense. I'm going to end the podcast episode with another Zenko on a riddle and this one is called body. Dharma's beard a bit of background for you. Boaty Dharma is the founder of that. He was known for having a large beard. That's important to know so here's the riddle walk-a-thon saw a picture of bearded boaty Dharma and exclaimed exclaimed. Why has this fellow beard. That's the Cohen sit with that one explore that sit cancer that that's all. I have for the podcast episode this week. Thank you for listening and being a part of this journey with me. You enjoyed the podcast episode. We shared with others writer review. Give it a rating meeting tonight tunes. You would like to make a donation to support the work. I'm doing with the podcast these visits secular Buddhism Dot Com and click the donate button. That's all I have for now but I look forward to recording another podcast him next time

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Tape #20 - Batman and Robin (feat. Sophie Black)

The Trash Tapes

1:36:08 hr | 10 months ago

Tape #20 - Batman and Robin (feat. Sophie Black)

"Greetings everyone and welcome to a unique episode of the trash. Types of one. Man's trash is another man's treasure. I'm your host Joe Hasham Paul talking to you all my own from my isolation station. This episode is a special one a loss tape as you were Where I was not only joined by my regular victim it with Harvey but also by our first ever guest filmmaker and close friends so black. It was recorded almost a year ago linking with a Batman themed month of content and to coincide with the launch of Sophie's Amazing Poison Ivy. Fan Film growing shadows which is now available to see in all its glory on Youtube. Which strongly recommend checking out the reason why this episode is coming out now instead of then is due to time as you all know now. The global pandemic is happening. A lot of us are now been asked stay indoors where possible and to self isolate it was heroes. Rummaging through some of the older trash tape recordings and found this episode back then we will following a very different format. It was a lot harder to edit and overall became a real chore to do included things such as common tree running jokes loads of different extra things and it became well hard and no longer fun so put on the shelf thinking I would go back to eventually. I never really did but finding episode. I am listening back to it recently. Now that I'm trapped in my bunker I realize how much fun all of us were. Having in this recording there was so many laughs lots of insight and nerdy banter felt ashamed for it to never be released so to give it another shot using the new format that have developed for the podcast recently and all the joy just came back and in fact may inspire me to go back to some of the other loss tapes and see if I can have it up and ready for you so all of you can have some new content for your beautiful ear holes during this really scary time. This was a wonderful episode. And I'm so glad that I can finally share it with you. All so ladies and gentlemen here is the Ice Pun failed and rose only review of the legendary Batman and Robin featuring soapy. Black enjoy event is funny. This is literally edit this report. We call targets. She called Belch without our consent out about each. Thank you sign the contract but really waiver release waiver a waiver release foam. I give mission to use my pinky like a posh person taking I was saying you are about to thirty Greetings everyone and welcome to another episode of the trash to one. Man's trash is another man's treasure and this is a very very special episode because summer months and an extra guest here so first of all introduce you to everyone. You already know him already victim at high. Hey guys hey doing good good. I'm very well. Thank you sweet. And then obviously myself. I'm your pain and I actually now go a third person on this couch. It's surprisingly surprised. Me Uncomfortable with witty crunched quite together now in this very tiny couch and that is sophie black. Hallo thanks for having me a good idea so this particular. We've got you on the show Batman month. Yes so you want to explain to all the listeners. Why are you suddenly a Batman expert? While you on my couch. I wouldn't say necessarily an expert. I've always been a lifelong fan as we all have yet in particular. I'm here because I recently directed a poison ivy fan film or Yes. Okay Little John. Twenty some years back so always so Austin What made you want to start? The project intrigued. Well I mean I. I've always loved poison ivy little girl I used to watch her and the animated series and just bring. This woman is amazing. She's know she's strong. She's powerful. She's very sexy but she's also. She owns her strange. Owns a sexiness. And she cares about the planet and she's got a lot of good intentions behind our actions and seeing a character like that as a little girl was really empowering and she was a villain but not really you know she's not love it could it could invasion behind what she did so. I've always loved even as a little kid. I bought all the toys spray painted orange because I love watching stole my dad's face paint kit and sprayed my head or into this hairspray. That's no actual spray paint. It was designed for the. My Dad used to do like face. Painting party had orange and black hairspray in order to do tigers so people can pay the face and the entire hair just emptied his entire cabinet because poison ivy so much and we'll growing up and becoming a filmmaker. I think it was always in the back of my mind where everyone thinks if I could do a superhero movie which Superhero would I do? Everyone knew the filmmaker kind of. I'm sure I thought that. At some point. Yeah and I've always if it was me it would definitely. I always loved love over superheroes but not much loved her and and then we not really seen her in cinema. Don't well well well. We'll get to this. Is the reason why there's a particular reason why got you on because obviously this is trash tapes and you've heard some episodes some videos and stuff like that so you know what we do. Yes we PepsiCo out there. Terrible movies to review. Yeah so it being Batman months and you being a fan of poison ivy one depiction the poison ivy husband and that is going to be talking about today. Batman and Robin. My name is free and it was a chilling. Sound of this is the way the world good and Sosa worse with a kiss with Ben. Probably should've mentioned this place. And the only man who can stop them. I freeze Batman. Can't do Batman will watch beloved got parish boys. There's a storm coming hockey tea. Potty Schwarzenegger Jail George Clooney Julianna. The marrying kind. Nih of last night the night while doesn't doesn't quite covering Chris O'Donnell I wanna car extinct the car. This is why Superman works along. So many people to grow leashes silverstone at you are back now. That's not awfully. What about that person on the bat cave knows we are history to kill? Joel Schumacher strength. Courage partners honor partners loyalty partners all comes together. Reggae engine need bigger man so Batman Robin so everyone colossal all show about this. First of all. We'll talk history with this movie. I saw in the Cinema Im- idea even know this might even be my first time seeing Ivy. It's all kind of mixed up from being a ninety s by all the toys all the low Kenner action because get which looked into offing like the characters in the film that varies a cheap plastic thing. Let's let's be honest now. Was it when you spraying our enjoys it. Because of Noah series if you look them in her hair is not orange. Soon we'll come onto appearance thing so red absolutely yes. I listen to Milton loving yet. Ravenous as well. He was really cool. Then I such hunk missed a freeze action figure skating ice. I loved it and my nephew plays with the now which is really cute. So you're passing down the trashy love to the next generation. They passed down the Bat Nipples. Oh we're GONNA get into that later. What's your issue with this movie and I don't think I saw similar. I think I remember seeing on TV like all the time. I always kind of caught it when it was kind of just it already stole. It is a long movie when your kid? You don't really like watching films like over two hours or two hours so I think I just kind of dipped in and out when he was on TV a lot. So I yeah may have seen the cinema box. Don't remember my cinema-viewing I just remember seeing on TV all the time in the cinema. It was epic so epic. And it's kind of weird looking back at it now watching a tiny screen you thinking when you were six six or ten or whatever. This was watching that thinking my God. This is amazing if you like a ten year old. Oh let's all the action old and sounds and everything. It's a joy ride for a child watching it now especially not if you listened to her when you listen to country. You'll sense that no really doesn't hold up that well still amazing. What are you talking about so my history with the movie is I never saw cinematic? Vhs To my parents bought all the Batman Movies on VHS. I was introduced watching my folks watching the first Batman on tape and so I just watched it all on tape so and I also watch the animated series after videos via animated series as well and I remember things like Poison Ivy and riddler and all that done well. Yes and when you're a kid and you see like Batman forever and Batman and Robin You thinking Oh my God he's here then you grow older than you and nostalgia fades away. The animated series a holds up still. Hopefully it's beautiful. It's really about on. The characters are probably the best. Fm throughout the Joker Dory Wise. Amazing adult stuff gangsters and drug taking and everything. They don't simplify anything. It's slow paced. It's Moody. It's often snowing. Just those beautiful and then you get this and then you get this. Don't you think that this was the first encounter with Batman very likely how they thought about? Imagine if you were a kid and this was your first Batman movie. Of course. You'd think they look at Tim Burton's Batman either. Well wait a minute. I think this was my first Batman. Maybe it must've been for everybody. Santilli saw the other ones. You thinking this is Batman movie of Batman and tell the difference when your kid? I think I saw that and then I saw forever. I know that the second one was about the second wartime retired by. Because obviously the penguins. Because it's soft toys get Steph. Oh the horror town the same. I think the best thing to do is to talk a little bit about the history of POW. This movie came to be today's of you. Who Don't know a lot here actually. So it's a little bit of a history lesson during one ready. Get down on your desk pencils ready. We're going to go in for a bit of a ride so first of all. We have to start all the way back in. What is now the thirty? Is that according this roughly around with the Tim? Burton's nineteen eighty-nine Batman. This movie had also had a little bit of bumps little bumps wins trying to make him but it got made and it's still an iconic movie. Do you call it. Apparently this out about my movie. But it's still really flipper good now. This obviously because I believe the sequel Batman returns happened but what they did was studio allowed. Tim Berne Full Creative Control. Obviously by allowing this crazy golf kid. Basically to have full creative control Batman. Weird things happened which could be marketed. Basically so you know you go to Michelle pfeiffer sexy catsuit and depend wind the penguins basis horrible Bird Monster. Basically you call. When he sell that to kids thing is the first one was successful. Yes it was adult but it was still marketable. Yeah so this is what happened. The studio eventually then dropped timber and for the third movie right but he stayed long producer then came Joel Schumacher. This is Joe. Schumacher is probably the village of this entire franchise Eat so he is on to how this sort of his own spin on things because the studio wanted Batman needs to be more family friendly a more marketable timber producers time. So that's about my forever has a little bit of edge so so a little bit. I'm saying like carry in like a catsuit. Okay okay okay. So a sharp-edged timber overseeing yes. So they'll kind of in the wheelhouse fan. Yes it was around that time so you can see how there was still something there but it wasn't entirely though is changing so obviously the Batman changed at the same time. It was no longer Michael. Keaton Val kilmer now. Who is not too bad film? A huge fan. So I'm gonNA stick for all. He's not as bad as people say the thing is as an actor he's great. I don't actually see anything wrong with actor but this is where leaves a couple little situations here right. So so the success of Batman forever bright in the studio immediately wanted to commission a sequel. Right the this is the Harjo Schumacher again to do to reprise the role in everything. Everyone back including the kiln but kilmer decided to say no to it now. The reason why is because he was doing the saint at the same time. Oh I know I'm not sure I know choice. But also Joe Schumacher also claims A. He fired him. Because I quote quote Val Kilmer was actually incredibly difficult to work with onset Joel Schumacher said he sort of quit but we also saw fired him. Yeah so basically. He was a big Dick Jochen. Michael says he was Jim Morrison. He's probably still being like the high on drugs prick right but then this thing fell kilmer would welcome a later. Wanted to let the movie is not just to do the same thing be also wants to leave because he wanted to work on another bad movie. The Island of Dr Moreau starring Marlon Prod. So basically he left up terrible movie for two died movies increasingly worse by the movie. Haw pretty bad in it. So the point is that. Oh well we're going to do you get George Clooney. Who WAS NOT ONLY MONEY? He was a big name is just the obvious choice. A choice see is as well. Let's Got George Clooney involved. Because George Clooney was he was trying to push himself out of television yard. Tom Wasn't wanted to do more lead. Roles and won't be honest. Walk Ache jumping. Pack them to lead role than being Batman so of course he jumps to think it was entirely grateful for what he did to it. So you actually claimed that. You nowadays actually apologizes for making the movie. Yeah apologize he actually goes around me says if anyone actually saw it in the cinema that they we will very happily we fund them some money then it makes a big joke about it. Now he's like like the he hates movie regrets ends to fly that I think that makes them worth. Yeah because you have to sort of like owner in the film you know and then you get Georgia soaking it. Because I did that. Basically just makes him look like he's just a cash in movie. They're still trying to costs everybody else. They were able to write in a few characters. Obviously Poison Ivy's one which will get to a little later on but then we also got Mr freeze now. The reason why Mr Freeze happened is because and I quote Joe Schumacher. Actually was watch is a big fan of the animated series and saw the episode a heart of ice seat for. I'm not is the one. Which is the BACKSTORY FOR MR freeze? So he said. I want that so they did that now. There were multiple roles actually multiple people who was actually going to be up for Mr Phrase. Join me to give you a list of who the hell he got from eight to be looking at that beautiful episode about the Little Geeky scientists. Try to get aid to almost all things now okay. So here's the thing right. So they were before right at Harris to possibly be Mr freeze into the APP me good. That would be good but dropped up computer commitments right. This one's GonNa be a shock and you'll love this Patrick Stewart's Oh I mean I can't see but I love him. They would have been amazing. Pass me once. It was just the most amazing experience. I was taking for a theater at the time and I didn't even know he was out past me. And when excuse me make voice and I was doing this fish impression with my gunman cabinets out and it was on. I was just. I just couldn't speak for an hour afterwards. I didn't take a four door. I couldn't move. Yeah if you'll just expecting practice and Selena room shocking experience I mean. Let's be one of the best moments in my life would would be like more light. Mystery should be like scientists because he's bowled. No I'm saying that because of holly how he performs roles Ed Harris. I would've loved any either of those two would have been more accurate but the thing is on all these just comedy gold. So here's the thing that this is. What how it got to Arnold right so patrick skew. It and Harris were considered but they all dropped out to several commitment issues. So but then the script was rewritten to accommodate all Schwarzenegger. Who genuinely interested the reason why. Joe Shoe Market decided. Mr Free must've been big and strong like like he was chiseled out of a glacier and quote so and the reason why is because obviously because the famous. Mr Free suit because they couldn't put a skinny man giant suit so said get a big man in a slightly tighter suit in the cartoon he was always a skinny man. The suit made in powerful. He wasn't robocop. And now he robocop ROBOCOP SPANDEX so hope robocop in spandex machine gun. Kinda sexy Lee described as all. Wait a minute. They love always lead. The fans were disappointed to a point but surprisingly successful because of its location. I was part of that now. You got you on welcome Mrs Schumacher. Toil Crab mcadoo toys. Some of them still in the house. Awesome here my parents so that my little nephew can play with them. I've got some of the Poison Ivy Vines. So he goes. There were so many different kinds of Batman Batman Batman was one that was like bright orange. I think sloat affect on the Metal Batman's well Gold Batman why to open so you can get blue and silver which I had or you could get like a red and black. Cuomo really epic so weird. This is the thing like Batman as a character as a whole is. He's almost gone to the point where he's almost like Sherlock Holmes you can put them in anything and it makes kind of semi sentence. Yes semi cents would often. Don't don't go bananas but you know what I'm talking about this as an Atta male net flicks recently. I think there's one on Netflix. Animated Part like CGI at is about where Batman goes to Japan. Ninja. Yes Oh my would on paper seem like the best film made never ever made. I was so angry giant Monkey John Monkey versus giant Batman. No the monkeys made giant Batman for the magic flute as we were bats powering because they all have the moving castle. The castle annoyed me. These a big massive distraction guerrilla ground needs to stay in. Dc Past Monkey. Please on average on tomatoes is Abou. It's got around about ten percents tomatoes with an average grade of about three point. Six out of ten kids because kids were voting. I think critic Chris yes you can tell. It's aimed at kids. It's going ten two dozen it seeing seeing seeing seeing there's no slow plot moments from the very moment the film starts. Well that's good Jolan. Yeah for the very moment of filmstar major action and mister freeze straight away. It's exciting explosions in Colorado. Kids love it but the problem was because it was critically panned. The studio decided to actually put panel. I'd not do the next movie after that. The low things actually cancelled because of it so there were planned sequels for US joining nail scenario. Okay could have seen. I let me give you some of these because oh my sweet Jesus okay. So there was Joel. Schumacher had several meetings with mortar. Brothers to talk about trying to convince them make another Batman movie afterwards. Okay they will free of them already in the pipeline as an idea one is they wanted to the show actually. WanNa to take it to his DACA roots by making money at one. Oh Right Greco Make Joshi Michael treatment. In my opinion but thing was he was going to cost. Cut Russell as a young commissioner Gordon and Selena car being played by an African American woman living in the ghetto. Me Defense. Time ethica advocate. I mean that would have been have been okay. Yeah now this is the thing Warner Bros. decided not to Rehire Schumacher. Because of what would Batman and Robin. Yeah which was a bit Because they say what happened to it. And the reason why because the pressure studio say we make a more child-friendly of course it went to the direction of the nineteen sixties Campy Batman? Yeah we loved we all love. Its own bubble in northern wedding. Note went in a weird way supposedly the continuity to the first Tim Burton's Batman. Yes you see on current from entity would've loved it okay. Another one was interesting was going to be a direct sequel which was going to call Batman unchained. And it's going to be a direct sequel. Starring unchained is going to be a direct sequel. Stuck having all the costs back. And you're GONNA have you want to know the village? We're going to be okay. Please scarecrow on Holly Quin. That would have been nice version. Quitted if it's anything like it was poison ivy. I think we would have had plenty of popcorn for interesting Ashim. Her Hammer would have made appearance. That would have been huge for me. Yeah when I was in school and after Batman and Robin happened. Everyone was waiting around for another Batman. Filled a guy friend at school. I think I think he's made up but he said it is another Batman movie and the title was cooped Batman Triumphant Sequel. To what is called. The next one was going to be a spin off movie right. Insult trump was going to be the spin off movie where Robin becomes night. When right which is a magazine or something but we made fun of him but the friend into politics you now docusign Mike. I know he receives some guy in school Edwards friend in school. Say Sorry. I'm sorry you will know. Rob Rob is rob holes. It's listing chatty. Will know what I mean. By Batman triumphant friend was right go apply. It was going to a spin off. Movie Plan pictured here okay. Another thing that was console because of this was timber and superman movie. Oh the deficit my lives. I met the produce a holy pay and cheese wonderful and the side the documentary We'll ever happened to the death of Siedman lives entry and she and her husband went around and interviewed everyone about what happened this year. And she's brilliant and it's story that one. Would you actually wanted to see though? Would I think it would have been? He would've been the most would have been the bombing superhero movie of all time. I Nick Hayes. Like at the height of his fame wasn't he he was sending star is fine. 'cause they'll just finished off doing face off around the time. I would've loved it. We would have gone and seen it we. We would spend money on it. We know that much. Yeah so this was before this would have been before Nicholas Cage. Was it like a meme comedy He face I took him seriously intro. Brilliant so I think it would have been great but leaving Las Vegas so that is how to here now. This movie as over time I think is because all the kids who watched it who go back looking at with rose tinted glasses and say this movie is actually amazing wise. No one going back to rub. And it was my favorite Batman Film. It was for me as a kid. I loved watching on tape over and over again. Because you don't you never think about eight or nine years old. Do you think this is how this is a bad movie it comes on TV. It's all grainy and you just sit and watch it under Sunday afternoon. It's lovely it's bright shiny is childish is crazy east end up eating exactly what you're GonNa get comfort food perfect. This is proper like comfort food. It is when you go and you say I'm GonNa go to go take out get greasy porsche chips. Yeah just eat that the older I know I like. I'm ordering it against it's Kinda sweet as well as a kid. You not judgmental films. Either as long as exciting's happening you kind of think is brilliant. You don't think poorly or the acting really bad whatev- eat you don't see that it's on. Dvd that it's just it's full of people even even the Kobe crowd of the post as a kid. You even more people look at all. These people go see all the faces collision especially if you recognize one of them because you know animated series. He this if you were always Batman as Mr Freeze. Remember his all if you if you watch other movies and you'll gang a little sappy like. I recognize who swats neck was? Oh my God. That's Arnold Schwarzenegger he's playing Mr Freeze my favorite. Let's go and then obviously you watch it and then you get older. You realize oh this piece of dirt but it's a big but we polished Ani's is the central piece is ease the big name. He's he's actually the only time in all the Batman movies where the villain was totally. That's what I found really strange watching this film is how little Batmans in. He has a big saving moment at the end race as a couple of people who will go onto them because they were amazing but a lot. He's just skulking in ferry boring outfits in the background he's hardly in a so ninety s he looks halfway between Ross. Geller and Pacey from Dawson's Creek is that Hecuba Polo next and he's even dressed smartly any point like boothwyn should be. He's like an extra on movie in the background looking at up on file robes that raped and just black born claiming and he's it's all about robbing being young coal and it's about Mr freeze before we go into the actually break down the plot and some Baba spits in the movie. One final factoid. Before we go in quite a few people lined up obviously wants to kill. Majok out to being Bruce Wayne. This surprise may steal it. No I'll do you know who's going to be persuaded. David Cuff me. Yes often you would pay. Dave company was going to play that because look because he. This was the point we was doing X. files he was big big it was the biggest thing on TV. He was even bigger than your. You know. Basically you think someone else described company. He couldn't do it so they got so basically he's so George. Clooney who now is like the biggest movie star of all time was basically second fiddle second choice to David Duke Catholic and he looks like he knows it and he skulking and he's not impolite company would be better than probably would have been better than and then someone who doesn't want to be there. There's also reconsidered to play Bruce to play. Bruce Wayne when Batman begins was come round. What David Duchovny? Yeah so so so Christian Bill Gates. Wow Brooding though isn't it which is why you did a great job you did a great job patents. Bulletin breed well we. I'm actually quite eager for rope. Pass. I think he's thinking exist cleanly doing like Batman not year wombat but Batman like the earliest. Oh then we'll have slightly tangent but anyone else sick of the origin story a fact that we know how he became Batman. We've seen it so million how we have the next move. Which is just going to be called the Batman. Kinda just be doing detected stuff. Can we not have You know knowing how his parents can be a montage of him as a kid. Seen we've seen a desi multiple times and we were talking about the movie us with going for anyway. We reminded about these things constantly especially Batman and Robin. Because WE HAVE THE WAVE. Flashback sequence off fell and was still seeing over member member. How you often to them to not that mandated. We're still seeing it. Isn't there a sequence? Where where George George? Clooney is looking like just moping the window and then suddenly you just see if a horrible cross fade little of young Bruce Wayne. I'm younger Alfred. Going over you know story bedtime story. I think of the bedroom story the bits grave radio loop it's garbage. I'm sick very sick. And tired of the Batman Origin Star. We know this is a great origin story. But we know what it is. It's the same thing goes with some experiment. We know how spy Michael is powers and then we can do not to see how by my spouse. We don't need to know about until we know this. That's my Asian with the new Batman Film. I was like oh I like the casting. I don't to know the origin story like Batman. But I think I think Batman versus Superman is meant to be. The Old City's Ben Ben Affleck was supposed to be older Batman. Now what's his real name? Nowadays that flack actually scientific. Because of the name of him. When he sat Batman is actually part of my daily Vocabulary Nelson. Isn't it. Actually we come up with ways wing all the barbecue not everything not flame enjoying this back to this the fact the DVD books. So I explain to everyone exactly. The plot is because to be frank. This movie doesn't need a point by point breakdown of the entire PLO. Because to be honest this whole movie is basically a combination of just scenes. He's wide appeal to kids. Because it's just like a cool thing now cool thing now some thins bits of plot about diamonds and that's break out the BAT synopsis. Let's break it up so I'm going to read executive says the back of the DVD case kills and frills already started a nice. We don't know actually hold up chills and thrills call them city be put on ice. Oh my George Clooney as bad as the dark knight battles his greatest threat yet cold heart and mister freeze a sports and then the Mus Poison Ivy. Play with them right. Batman has more than Gotham city to protect the crimefighting comrades. Robin Chris O'Donnell. I'm back you'll introduce played by these brackets. But they say she's in Batman forever isn't she now you get mixed okay. So the young crimefighting comrades puts them frequently in homes way which is true because these two actually Kinda dumb and put themselves in danger old Atari at the momentum new very special effects include a wild. Yes yes the new new very special effects do very special. What kind of new special effects facts clues a wild skysurfing sequence? Oh we gotta get the first minutes. I miss freezes outrageous ice blasting arsenal. It's state of the art excitement from out bats for from our family to yours. You know a major you know. That's comforting sentiment right there. That family family movie. But this is the thing though. I think the reason why most people some fans who the fans and some of the critics were annoyed. This movie is because this is supposed to be continuity from timber darker world especially try and compare. This movie to Batman returns totally different kettle of fish. I'm glad you told me it was still trying to be part of the whole timber. But you've got the family friendly appeal because the look of the film is so messed up into. It's kind of doc but it is eighty colorful same time and it's these two like aesthetics have kind of had been battling collided in the middle and like slow over the set and that's kind of like extremely colorful screen on this premature sums up the first opening fight scene. Yes where we get where we persons reduced Mister Free. Right off the bat and he comes up with all the ice ponds now. Can I just give you one quick factoid? Who say do you know how many exactly how many ice pumps were mentioned in down those twenty-seven my birthday so proud eight the cometh? Please show some mercy see him. I'm afraid that conditioners left the cold to you please. You're in this universe. There's only one absolute everything freeze frees. Batman legacy appears like a beast and talking to Donna's yet like mostly you know shining and I love it. I mean as he comes in big and buff and trust steelers one giant diamond and at the same time before. This you like Batman and Robin tried to get dressed. No Oh we have to mention this. Okay so now. Is it happening? Talk about the costume. The costume out without montage multo stops of this will literally how with persons reduced to Batman and Robin is literally in a trade insolvent outfit montage but we introduced almost buck I. It reminds Edgar right like crash. Zooms Kinda tooled up. Crash seems doesn't to mark the funny. These were series crash zooms arches renting the movies serious series in the context of. I want to show you this in an epic who air and this is the thing. This this this whole dressing up montage was introduced in Batman forever without without kilmer which an interesting fact about that one right Mary. Throw this vow. When George Clooney was going to get on the bachelor they had to readjust the old bat suit because Val kilmer was too big. Of course he was he was John. Norris in terms of a pre swain. He was mostly in big. No no not talking us. It was massive that I meant apparently belt. I know downstairs. So that'd be the funny thing as little but George Clooney because it was too big to the point that they had to readjust the suit to fit his size. What's funny it's who are Wa wa but throughout the film. They are making cock jokes all the time to Pena jokes. The whole time is about masculinity and everyone's got fake muscles on and then like the scene where for some reason Mr freeze and Bena call for some reason it says to him like me out but we'll Yeah and like Mr Freeze says to Bain. You see Bain told you is not the size of the gun that matters. It's what you do with it it's all innuendo blitz subtlest enough to be in a family. But it's it's all about agile masculinity it's almost the whole time maybe crash saving on his crotch. How do we take an in on the subject of bodies? Joe Shoe Micro is clearly Sarah obsessed with the human body. It's not just the montage of a obviously we have mentioned that nipples which is the detail and sank the theories. Yeah he's so. Obsessed with the human body shots of bodies and hands jokes penises and everyone in very mostly suits from the BAT suits to Mr Freeze. It goes beyond that it spills out onto the street. Yeah the set dressing is full of bodies and hands and heads and even the big showdown eight giant. Hugh Suchy hit you. Play Obsession with the human body spills out into everything you see on scene. It's really bizarre isn't it? It's so strange. It's almost as if it's like he's trying to frame each framing them lovingly but all but lovingly but let's competitive slightly. It's not like someone like Michael Bay. Who's doing it but those boobs? Yeah so like look at them on the gorgeous like q rating museum of statues. Yes a little bit and he wants to keep seeing these and say everyone's like a Greek God everyone. Everyone is beautiful. But it's on the street and bizarre same terrible. Cgi when all the cars and the bikes are the joy riding down. This luscious mostly are. That's bronzed is very strange. Now if you linked together with all sorts negative maybe each is a big fan of big buff men. I think he is. I think he is but like also women but that was a little bit more usually all these generally The human form face was very obvious. A lot of ice and a lot of late shots facing the cow is and mister freeze is and all along the gritty graffiti laden streets. You these big stone heads. The trolls in the Hobbit in. Who doesn't deserve comparison to talking? But you know this these like poking through the shops. It's really interesting how it shows here because is it like this is a combination of Josue. Macos taste combined with timber and aesthetic that was established for Gotham which I still think is the best look of any city ever because it's a combination of like has. The vibe is got the fifties like fifty sort of. He's film new. All new on Gothic. Like almost some of them are like size of castles which we did we imagine. Now how side is basically a castle. And so is the lab where where poison ivy and don't would rue working. It's a castle lab as well. Yeah so yeah. It's like a melding of two different stuff family. Look the goal is to appeal to kids. I think the the the nineteen forties kind of stuff was lost after the first move. It's all nineties isn't it? Maybe I love about my introduce themselves because said Patrick on Batman he literally just says like that and it slides doubted dinosaur and then from that than Robin goes drives in on his motorcycle. Looks like knocking on a wall and leave the battle. Go in the wall. Well Rob Inland along with leaving Robin Logo. And then they all start doing these massive martial arts style acrobatics with a leaping and spinning through the air and the gone with the loudest perfectly for no reason of the thing and the only reason we find out later landed so perfectly infinitely is because mysteries get the frozen. Do data to make you come down again. That sets the tone seen to get gas especially say. This movie's a surprising amount of Wia work. Like most of the people that had to take the wires. Robin allies will so this leads to a chase sequence. That involves a rocket and it was ridiculous. Now here's an interesting another. I'm good for another pack toward at you. Okay so in when Mr Freeze and Batman are in the rocket. George Clooney's limping. The reason why is and I quote. He actually be actually his knee not from the scene because he treated the fence because this look on the first scene shot okay before then. He hurt his knee while playing baseball. Because the man's an idiot and so so basically for about so for the first. Two weeks was actually secretly in a leg cast. Oh my God I took about cast test. So he was limping for lease hot. Like a quarter of the movie in the bat suit. But how did he do the staffing food area? I I don't know because after. This is hilarious because Robin is holding onto the rocky breaks in and then Mr Free says several ice puns jokes out the rocking rubbing climbs up the rock like Adam West Style Greens and then it is the Best Bay where you mentioned does below. And they're surfing the doors with skysurfing. I remember Rember Bisa freeze. Joe Sow backwards. I have beautiful beautiful SPA. It's like in your face Mothra. The supply vanezis elegant endangering data huge. It just makes sense the whole sequences chasing which leads to robbing frozen. I Love Three's bird. Boy Yes the window. Yes it gets point. He freezes up a wit feasible wall too big an ice window and then literally just figure what be the window whole because we call it off because this is this was Batman's first moral dilemma. Do you do you unfreeze your friend. Or do you chase. After the villain which starts one of one of a couple of minor plots in the in the film of can combat my learned trust Robin and by the end of it. We don't we don't know he's never really. There's no end to that story. A bit debate the -nificant forget about those sober. But that's because the console because they both realize whom Athanase Poison Ivy Beach. Most of the time it's about the the love the love and either forget about the truth like even turn off his bike so they can't fly about parenting. You feel like at the end. The film that should be moment of even. If it's cheesy Robin I can trust. You will see your hands go. Yeah we're headed. I mean like a Batman Robin and girl shake hands and Batman pulls his fist on their hands. Like yes I accept you about. The host of Batman is basically Robin's father thing they kind of forget the situation. Yeah they do. And it's really star. Is Robin trying to get him to be treated like an adult? I would never have a moment of of batmobile like you. You imagine now parenting situation Rolex about actually on the frame naturally not use upon like in this way. Based Time Robin leaves the nest. That would make sense if if the next movie was meant to be doing because he's kind of already thinking. I'm too big just to be aside. Cubic Nebraska's wing now so he's almost like almost get into that phase like if we'd have the film that would have been fighting. This care is really really crosstalk. Because you love Batman series somebody. I just feel like there's so many plots in this film because you are the biggest poison I've I've met. And they very supportive of my work and they put this. The thing is like big poison ivy and so I want to actually honestly know your opinion on her two picks on youth of his depiction of Poison Ivy L. We watched and read a lot of things. Do Poison Ivy Research Fan film because we wanted it to be the fan film. The world solar found the ultimate version of poison ivy. They've all been waiting for. They really not had so. We researched a lot and this came up and we all have myself and produces dukes national day after you. Also play Bruce. I've in the film and Ashman script. We all decided we wanted to make the Anti Anti Anti. That's how I have nothing against infirm and it is very strange casting. I I mean if you see poison ivy in the animated series which is one of the time. She's no Vince to automated poison ivy. She's petite He's a petite curvy. Woman she's very intelligent but she's she's not toll and statues ask and she's supposed to be the ideal atoll in she. She is for every if you see her in the comics the very very first comments you can tell Joel. Schumacher's a huge fan of the sixties Batman because the very first introduction poison ivy was her coming in and causing a rift between Robin and Batman Jews. Line and this film but again she's she's little. She's feminine scurvy but she's She's not toll and you know then. No Red headed actives available. Why do they never cask? But then they never Kashmira back to the light of the gopher blonde with that girl. But here's a weird thing though. We heard Julianne Moore around the time. Who would have been fantastic very very intelligent scientists and it was very very strange casting but basically what love about boys ninety is the fact that obviously her main goal is echoes of sage. Is She is Niki. Warranty saving the planet and a lot of the stuff she does is for a good cause and love short. Open worry about the big stuff men and try to shut down big corporations. Which is what people are doing today. If you look at people in London during sleep I'll try and get the big companies listen to the climate crisis. It's a very good cause. That is her main thing. Yes she can control men. Yes she is emitting pheromones the whole time which she can use to. Her advantage is using sexuality as Paul is used as a weapon is a weapon. Yeah absolutely sent is a big part of the plan. She's powerplant. She used to control people for a greater good. Yes and you see him in this. She's like a bumbling awkward scientists who looks a bit dirty and I find that quite offensive. So it was interesting though. Is like the U. Being poisoned gnashing who played poison ivy massive massive fan. They then they appreciate this movie in a Funny Way. These like essay about is this movie. Is this movie is even if you do appreciate what they did with. The characters is just a fun entertaining. Maybe regard but she starts out with this ECO warrior who is open blink and dirty looking and it's very it's kind of offensive equal. She's supposed to be. It's a fact that when she becomes a mere got Dr Ward drew in there because you very rarely see that story and yes Dr drew is in the original comic version. The one that maple is not here. She is unlikely he's out. I Love Glover's nighter. It's very strange. 'cause he basically chocolates and then she's like. I now have poison lips. The Earth is told me and it's love straight way cheese Dr I sleep. I'm a law. You look great especially for a dead woman. Hello Jason I think. I've had a change cod quite literally. The animal toxins had a rather unique effect on me. They replaced my blood with aloe my skin with chlorophyll and filled my lips with the van. Jason One of the things. I probably should have mentioned this earlier. Poise and here. I am nature's Aung. Well I am Mother Nature and the time has come pull plans to take back the world so rightfully out. Because it's not nice to fool with Mother Nature I. This is the thing that they do differently in movie. The idea is like Oh. You're just my assistant. Now go all of you. I obviously your lips the whole situation. We can poison ivy powers although whoa power can we talk about e s that? We'RE NOIDA IS SOMEBODY. Who's supposed to be in charge of the Earth Control? Implants and everything. She really controls plants as a defense mechanism in this entire movie. That's the biggest thing I mean. I know her look. His look is ninety S. We can forgive because it's ninety. She looks halfway between Charlie's angels and the Spice Girls. With on this journey definitely Jerry. Highly scary spice had get it. 'cause I love that stuff so probably why I loved Poison Ivy. The Kid I get. It is a product of the nineties. The look we can kind of forgive. Well we cannot forgive. I cannot figure it's a fact that poison ivy is strong. She uses sexuality as a weapon and she can control plants. Killa plans poisons chemicals. She has vines come out of the strangling people. She's incredibly powerful in this one. She only does the juicing thing. She only is the plants to decorate the poison ivy. Thanks Batman once she does once she is about romance and like strength comes from Bain. She even says I'm not a fighter. She uses the five Max Payne to even and this ties in with the action figures. The wonderful line about the poison is really action. Figure comes with Bain do the fighting full her and it's so backwards and horrible and like she finally gets a knife out to fight by should do not at the moment she meets. Don't Miss Missing so the moment chief against means Mr Free. Wow He looks like golf. Certainly she turns into this like gasping scared woman. Like Oh my God I gotTa have him come up to a Cleveland. She's like oh no and it's terrible. I mean they did exactly the same thing in the ninety s wave Robin Hood Maid Marian and she was in development should be strong then soon she meets Robin. She's always saying that the moment of a strong independent woman finds a rub a somewhat rather try to big man. It fades away and she doesn't need to be done. It's the opposite of what Poison Ivy is supposed for many women out there in this movie. She is a sex past yes. She's a total bit of a Predator. She forgets her overall motivation. And just start seducing people and ends up doing it to help Mr freeze because she likes him and she finds his hair but she really because she did try to unplug his wife to get him for herself and everything in poison. Ivy is a very honest looks after women would never hurt a woman yes woman particular like main thing was light to get Mr freeze to freeze the world to start again. After four at the end of Asia Magadan miscarry reasonable. She was like Oh look. He's a God and then she said to the wife I don't like competition. Yes cleaning little thing movies like as I told. Mrs Freeze. Pulled THE PLUG. This one woman. Show absolute Andy just bizarre and she's just kissing men and a final thing. Why does one of her plants attack us on the cloud giant plant thrown eater? I being in Ferndale very sexy. I like it book and yeah so it's the opposite for film. We've gone very much. We are inspired by Nolan. We won't be tacky anyway. We don't want to count. We've talked about camp. This film is and we wanted to be realistic. Obviously IRISH THE FANCY CHARACTER. Briefs very very grounded in reality and cheese ginger. Yes she is a no red hair even hurt her costume. Looks like it's made the Earth. She's not pulled on sequence. A lot of books comics ivy does not wear clothes. She's a plant everything. She wears grown from herself. She wouldn't close the guys you wouldn't ever put on. Tyson sequence was so shining. Everyone wants USA sparkly and peaceful. This is the big ball. Now this is the ball that Bruce Wayne tries to negotiate to get Mr freeze out because he knows 'em purposes they're going after diamonds so it does this fake save the rainforest thing it's basically a fake thing in order to get. Mr Freeze arrived still own. These women being objectified on the stage for looking pretty head one under thousand for the tiger the ARCHAEA plus then then poison ivy appears first of all in a monkey suit base. Sta from Arnold Film. Oh Yes code. Turbanned side booster man skills then and this is the thing that makes me giggle afterwards right. So He's a dish reminds us that reminds you more but like we were moving the coding just the day before the poison. Shoot all the crew together because we wanted it to be a little bit. Not Learning wanted to be very filmed wall because the origins of Great Batman is Phil. Naw and Poison Ivy. The plastic fantastic writer mean. This film tried to halt the Bane. We will get on with a hat. But we did Actually Watch Gilda Rita Hayworth guilder which way she takes the gloves off in various sexy strip tease which move off a glove and we watch that altogether since the tone and for performance. Inspirations and so it was quite funny that we watch that feel guilty to having an impact on a realistic we hope version of Ivy and the fact that they kind of do that he reference it. Yes other you know the win win for me. When I watched different idea reminds me of Jane Fonda in Barbarella Rela when she's in the giant spacesuit and then she rips off to be floating naked. It reminds me of that. Because since I normally see and then once she removes the furry monkey suit everyone. She doesn't make a sound that. Look the walk because that monkeys a section. That's actually was dancing. Seduced they even when she's the costume is only. What is this thing going on? I would love to someone in love with a monkey that charismatic. Even when you in a monkey taking off people already who's guy who now leads into poison ivy exposing herself musically and this is where they probably introduced the so the Thera- bones. The you know the the bill dust as opposed to make them for love so bombing. Robin givens. Originally one guy that guy across off a million and then Batman Robin having argument about how much poison ivy is really worth and what Batman pull out the Pat Credit. Cards is the point where the series died. I disagree I is the best moment in the Ville really came about it. We had a bit of a phase two. Making the poison is found film where we were buying batterings. Which is one of the most fun things I've ever done. But we were buying bathrooms and we must in each of secretly work for like two on talk about. It was just so much fun while we on looking at Batman props I found the Bat Collins and they are available and that makes them. I was tempted to get it for Rob Dukes to to give him on the day. Roughly the same bruce. But would you mind police out and things like that in the end because push it was quite tight rope. If you're listening. I nearly gave you one of those credit cards site death nail. Because you not was okay nipples may have been. WanNa so many so many nails in this coffin but I will say the Fat Credit Card for me is definitely because how is it that credit card work if you think about it into stacked then he loses like Powell's tastic just never leave became cut to the back card yet but the question is that how is it. Logistically work in his universe? Could work is Bruce. Wayne owns a bank his own bank. And he's saying it's technically secretly got a secret account that's basically under the bank. So he has its own separate in the credit card for his. It's basically what didn't you like an American Express Way you're supposed to use it. Many shops a lot shops and be like on many celery. I didn't take called machine. This little on the Causes Little Logo. That looks a bit the visa logo but it says Gothic Golf Club. Ask yes so tiny like a picture. It's just approp- Personally. Goffman cod but it looks like Goth. Cod Talk No. I think. We'll be golf cart. I mean online. Because you can't buy them on. C. And the detail. The puns written into this cat. You're looking at a big right so at the end of it. Yeah I think like if you ever want to assume that sums up this movie one hundred percent I say it's it's incredible. Scene is massive. There's so much going on over. The extra in. This movie are amazing. I mean Paul from Batman who is basically an extra added. The extras are macysinc. There's a bit where they unveil the telescope and the actors like. They've never seen a telescope in the like. Wow that an angry Jackson man yelling out half a million dollars that were yeah absolutely and right at the end this scientists. The scientists are working on the telescope. That ended up. So how Koto in the final battle mazing face. She has gone late screaming face going on when when a bit when she when his a. one her like oh of the scientists brand gets frozen faces. Keep screaming only got like they can't frozen but they still get carried long the terrorist group spins round and one one day. Yeah and there's like the prison guards. One of them is a prison guard. Jesse van Torah the Jesse. The body Ventura big wrestling wrestler and the other one patch because one and then really mean and they're not doing their job properly and just over that attention to detail when you get an ex wrestler as an extra and of course. We all have one favorite extra. Yes the dog. Yeah okay so this overall makes you will pay part of one of the side plots basically the main plot basically as MR freeze is gonNA freezing type pirate using using diamonds reading the diamonds with that just so he can generate enough power and subtlety pursuit but also to help save his dying wife emotional. Call the film. This lovely admit though that those bits of really reading done everything else. Oh just pales in comparison but then there's a bit where eventually he uses the telescope but we mentioned into a freeze right and freezes. Gotham including a dog. This on halfway on this I. I'm bowed out net. Anything is say the moment IMO. He gets teeth award. I don't think he ever gets a child. I'm off else. Even doing this. Maybe finished his pay bit got frozen in the perpetual penny. Then you just have to snap. Alfa mood you know that. It's kids when there's and dog shows the dog. Fiving snap often go before they can give you one quick. Factoid is about the extras yes? Okay two extras were arrested in fired. After ten to sell secretly shot footage from movie wasn't the scientists. I won't be surprised so basically this movie's again believe you. Well wait a minute so basically to actress fired because they were actually trying to sell footage they shot from the movie ninety Crappy Light L. Like nine hundred phone for just one would be camcorder around this time. The ninety seven phones with that Bentsen. I must've film some behind the scenes shots or something like that boom. Try to send it off with a bunch of cheeky pastas. Introduce then to another character out of into. This avenue is already in this film. Buckle in the Comex is Barbara Gordon. Yes who is basically the daughter of Commissioner Gordon in this they changed it to be the niece of Alfred. So's Barbara Wilson. So there's no reason why this is the case. Maybe it's because the way the characters in the movies. Commissioner Gordon doesn't play a big part nothing to of the poof voice so she is off American Hof British. Because she is the niece of this so she don't put opening that means that they did not so therefore she can get away with having American accent. Either these off a British Butler now rather this time. This leading leads to one really fuzzy. Pica secrets. Incredible sequence Oh actually. There's one extra. We have forgotten to mention in the. There's amazing when they show old gangs ever want including the. Oh yes it was. How did they get the riot that drinks I don't know and very warriors very warriors like the movie the Warriors Amongst the gangs the man with all the gangs? Kudo how this because they have everything nine hundred still you go head cones and then you have coolio in again. Cool eight looks fantastic. Anything he off like one line but he looks at the action. Sequence of the whole driving thing was really awesome about it. Feels like it feels like video game from playstation thing. It feel awesome. It's really fun sequence interesting as well is like The the NEON GUYS. Yes or the day before got yes. They look incredible. Incredible Poison Ivy in Bangor to get the claim the past by the the botanical baths. So that she created we could land land and you. These guys Basically lit by an to find that line the entire time they look incredible. They stand out so much and we generally thought we're watching the movie that they had a more prominent role owning this once seen so much effort for something. That cool happens is flat with an unbeaten. Yeah that's it. I'm sure I've seen I've seen this like let the going down the street. Yes on bikes or something. I find the bike scene and this lots of Neon I car remember them just being in like and she talks to him and I honestly think we made a silvestre you have basically rapid who sneaking follow her. Because she's like Oh. I don't like bikes. Oh wait a minute. She stakes taking bikes out. Like sneaky Saud and then goes on basically dirt bike races in awesome layers or the looks like a post apocalypse. But looks like this. And they're all on that set even tell the actually citing on the bridge biking on a bridge and a real sat it would be. It won't be as and some of it looks like amazing artwork. Some bits like we built some of its. Cgi It's all really built into. Look at this really awesome well. Gotham looks also if another unanswered plot throughout his whole seed with the whole building. We've all been and you think that's going to be something. Even that's going to be relationship chasing after you will as well as can be expected. My friend I know you're sick now. I can get you the best doctors. I have seen the best. Doctors Gentleman does not discuss his ailments. It is not civilized. I hope that I have taught you at least that much muster booths. You ever regretted you life working here looking after heroes. My only regret is that I was never able to be out there. With your masks. Intruder intruder intruder intruder identify. Identify me. Barbara expect to you might find your way down as I type. Program brain algorithms into the bed computer and created a virtual senior senior. I'd like to help Batman and Robin I anticipated would took the liberty to create something in your sign for it. Alfred Stein like Lychee suddenly. He's like a little bit coffee and so now he's in bed with suddenly this year from sorry. I'M GONNA die. I company so brands but when I was a kid you know it made sense at the time so then just to my brother Wilford Wilfred Welford and Alfred. Yes and then she said like I'm family. I'M GONNA look at this up so she being a bit of again. Another bit of cheeky. Solid looks as prod information but then finds out about Batman and Robin which then says our process like an Israeli hopefully. Oh I've always known that you would have found out. Eventually I have copied my brain back because of course you can in Comex. It's the thing how does that. How is Russia how is Alfred? Sto Tech Savvy. I I don't know anyway I also. It's kind of sad that you know. He's so much. Jen like an old fashioned. Jen Yes. He discuss his illness with anyone so when he becomes really ill he said he says the Bruce Well I don't talk about these things I I don't know what you will flat well to say. Gentlemen don't talk about that light Which is bad. Because it's very very old fashioned is isn't it but that's the thing about this movie are thinks this whole movie is about. It's about gender roles but really bad one. Can I talk about that Gal Alabama. She goes and fights off fights against poison ivy. Decent ish sequence decent issued the knife. Better not my issue would go. Is the kind of I think. Because they were where. It's SORTA cock fast and it's all about masculinity. I think they wanted to bring him back. Gold be like Oh. Let's being a strong female. God The strong female characters should have been poison ivy for a start. 'cause she always has been back go. Is it pretty? And but she's not as strong as ivy back. I was brought in and she is constantly sprouting paint by numbers written by men feminism hereabouts become compost using feminine wiles to get what you want trading on your looks read a book. Sister that passive aggressive number went out long ago. Chicks like you give women a bad name as I told lady freeze when I pulled her plug. This is a one woman show. I don't think so. Our shops of her crutch and her boobs just the same as everyone else. How is she introduced guide? I know you were paying off Google school fan first schoolgirl. Short short skirts low angle off. And she's always skirt he was. It was very can lean to the camera. Gets a better shot of little scare. When comes out? And this is panel her body yes and then and then and then and then. I think he's Rub. It says like say I hope you here to see me and the thing is with with girl is well in this movie. For example. She hasn't had any training know any training. So why is she superhero? I should I go okay. This will actually enrage you sophie but I have I have another factor so most seems back. Gilwell cut including training sequence because Lisa Sylvester had gained a few Powell drink production and the wardrobe team had to refit hook costume. Now when the press is go to the news they slam silverstone's weight gain and mocked the actress. Being too fat too in the costume off. No one is not Jewish clammy when they to take TV. Double Standards People. Joe Schumacher public defender Silverstone during the interviews and press meetings joking. What is this girl's Big Sin? She hates a pizzas. So what? That's the line? Defending is like really when taunting continued to market lashed out at the reporters. That taunted her see said in the interview. It was horrible. I thought it was very cruel. She was a teenager. Who gained a few pounds? Like all of us. Do a certain times I would i. Would I would confront female journalists and and I'd say with so many young people suffering from Anorexia Bulimia. Why you crucifying this? Yes good of him as good but it's so surprised that there was a whole. There's there's literally loads of footage that I hadn't been cut because she was a little bit bigger than she starter and some directors would like how to go for like gaining the weight and Li- especially at that time so that's kind of good Paul guiding her so it was caught because a continuity to appoint script itself is still she saying a lot of supposedly feminist things to appeal to a female audience but the way she's filmed she's always backlash she's always having a wind machine on a hand. Let's just music video. Look the way. She's filmed opposes. What she's saying is believable that she would be a superhero. When you don't see how she's become as Bairro acting like a bad girl about girl is not a feminist so two different things about go could be a feminist but it doesn't mean she's a feminist just because she's bad steals a bike. It's enough this whole movie's a very mixed message. Going back to how the movie is basically two different versions of feminism two different versions of masculinity and the May masculinity is basically a sword. Fight between Robin and Batman saying. Who's GonNa Bang Poison Ivy fast? And this this Wrexham Apollo yes. This is this is part of Comic Book Law. But at the same time it's done Inaki like all my big is basically a cop five. My Dick is bigger than your Dick. Basically what I forget the fatherhood story which is more touching farther. Who Between Bama Win Forty fight? Exxon compare this masculinity to the other character we have to mention Bain now talking vein so the visiting asked big fan of this one. This one two surprise me. Not this Bain Bain. Because let me explain. Bain Bain was a fairly recent character in comic. Comic books came out around the early nineties. Right now. Thing was he is famous already was famous. Lucia door who basically got upset is basically addicted to steroids. But he's actually incredibly intelligent and is actually. The only person who's so strong can is literally. Cook Crippled Batman. This is the famous story. Line that led to Batman breaking his back right. Yeah and he. He was articulate and smart and was able to use his strength but it was never a brain dead husk years here known game with that. He was so intelligent unknown Batman pain. This is good in the all games as well because I think I think what is I kinda liked more. Christopher Jones Bang my thought to things were wrong with that being number. One is birth for the snake. Big enough pain is like a tank. He is huge business he was. He looks the part not the Paul. Act The palm in being the Batman Series in in the Dark Knight series. Act to the pathogen. Look the par. So it's kind of like if you merge those two together somehow you would have got the perfect patient because he's so full of venom basically in this movie that he is Econ- speak to the point of we love for at the movie because he only has six lines and all one word exit. Just yeah repeating that line someone else said but sometimes you just try and talking grunts like Rome. Yeah he's this show for two point and I kind of film loss style themes were first introduced in properly afterwards in this whole hat and suit budget. You know how you repeat the last word and like either you poison Ivy said just imagine if poison ivy mentioned a long flower name like mess and the moon which paying same you'll be like the world series tongue-twister then the real one on this view flower on the spelling test when I was in in primary school yet m. e. s. e. M. B. A. N. T. H. E. I never thought it was a spelling test. Voice ingrained was remembered. How you're you're a big word you break your and if you break that. Mezin AT BRIAN THE MOMENT. So here's a question do you think how? How would you do the impression that one done by Bain in this movie way would just say? Do you'll be breaking down verger bryer. Tell US quickly quick spoiler he just kind of saved the day. Mr Free eat does because going back to the main plotline. I said well right Somehow using stupid science right stupid sites Science General Science General Science Science Magic Science Batman Robin and back girl able to unto floor out all from cintas. Sheet IS WITH THEM. Not about ten me more this little toys. Eight more minutes for Gotham ice keeps forever reverse freezing process hours here. But it's morning in the Congo. If we could relate to some from the other side of the equation it'll take satellites about a minute to realign but jam dam dams not good targeting Mirza frozen. The fine won't work or it. Also the telescope youth all the mirrors with tonight's tonight's forecast is coming and then five point Batman says to. I just said something quite profound where it's like saying you know. I'm not to take life. I'm here to restore life and says like I actually banks MISSA freeze look missed out. I have a close friend of mine. Who's on stage one of the same thing that your wife's having coincidence to Windsor Dick? Right can I do you? Can you help me? I'll help you if you help me. Help his wife and this is like okay so happy to have it all line when he opens it up. Yes we'll take two of these. He happens to have the answer often needs. But it's very sweet. And of course Arnold Schwarzenegger contract. I will work on this film. I need to save the day though. He's the day somehow bad guy. Mr Freeze is always kinda motivated by helping his. So Co. basically life here so basically this movie a weird way. Even Mr Freeze is so the bill and we all like poison ivy some main villain and he's a bit she's a total sex. Filled Bitch missed was the freezes sort of the anti hero of the movie. Yeah thing is Mr Freeze Ivy. All both villains were good motivation. Both doing good causes. But this film makes ivy into a sex crazed bitch with no power young and IT MEANS MR freeze into action machine. Gone I love it okay. I love it. We watch this now. Finally seeing the whole thing we broke down favorite pots off worst parts. We've defended every character and bashed every character and so we need to basically say overall. What do we think of this movie watching it again after Solo? I still remember why I loved as a kid. I like still seeing the ice seen taking about to being the cinema and the spectacle of the whole golfing freezing and own here is going to do. I think he's still like kids film. And you know partly because I remember how much I loved it. And how would you meant to me as a kid seeing it this? I still so much fun. I mean. You can't watch Batman and Robin serving through this guy for that reason about being like you know I love this. It's it's great if if it came on the TV also in the afternoon and even a day off you'd wash it. I think so. Yeah it's not like any of the Batman movies that were supposed to be serious. Beginning Wall was its own separate entity in its own bubble. It can really fun. It's anywhere since squad. Yeah I'll give without and I enjoy suicide squad you know. I enjoy this much more than suicide this notebook. I even I even though George Clooney Shit and you can tell she's GonNa be still find that hilarious and entertaining and a like obviously on is amazing it just so all the pawns make the movie. Don't care the shit and I like the I like how crap back goal is but still great at the same time. Yeah all flaws for some reason. Make amazing to me. I think it has all the right levels of camp. Yeah very camp. It's very fun. It's the so many things wrong with it. Feels like a sketch show parody Batman outfits. Infringing Saunders is. That's the thing it's for example honestly for me. Saving Grace is Arnold Schwarzenegger you can see. He's having a whale of a time. He's enjoying it time. I've seen a villain in a Batman movie enjoying so that much with Jack. Nicholson playing the jerk to all the other times have been sort of been like phone dad. Half didn't rematch writes. This was the only reason why we go along with have eased enjoying himself. And you enjoy it with him. He's he's he's actually openly smiling and I think this is a waste of time. Yoda thing is you have to not at all. Go in there. Thinking is going to be going to be faithful at all to any Batman accepts. It's ninety s as well and a lot of I mean. Feminism is good but ninety s was on a kind of a turning point with that stuff that time exactly so yeah so once before we sort of wrap up then. Sophie. Thank you very much for being here. It was active speed reading. It's been fun to have you on the couch dishonest guest. I know so. Not just mean you're talking about films you've got somebody else talking about my goodness at so in other words in guys listening out. They want us to have more guests. Please tell us like to put some compensate share along this and say oh we will more get more. People will find some guests. We'll get some people are very tiny sofa. I get so sophie. You your poisoned movie. Where's it coming out? Roughly expecting that by the time this goes live should be out of available to view on social media channels. If you find just go pictures on facebook coaches hall style or if I may probably easier to spell that safe you black on social media then by the time comes out should cannot wait to see it can definitely be battling with them. Prediction of we've tried everything we can do. Ashley. Diaz performance to the Is Managed to dodge a false ballot. So we'll leave that as a note so until next aren't keeping already trash might be some treasury messy you guys next time Antonio Junior.

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George Hodel, The Root Of Evil

The First Degree

1:00:12 hr | 1 year ago

George Hodel, The Root Of Evil

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They're like you just feel like all kinds of insanely evil ship was happening in that house. Hey guys has welcomed the first degree the true crime podcast that you might end up on my name. Is Jack Panic. I'm sitting across from Alexis linkletter and next to Billy Jensen and we want to dive right into this episodes. So we're going to go right into the day or the day is national shower with a friend day. That's the one that's the one you should've picked act yes. There are lots of days on this day. Are that you that you could have gone for world read Aloud Day and you let which I do enjoy reading reading aloud allowed. I noticed a kid I did like doing that. I don't enjoy reading aloud. which is what we do for this podcast? Because I got so much that we have to cut out what else we have mattel day we have new today and then we have a national weather person's dead person and it's also disaster day to which kind of approach with whether person's Day because there are dislike yes on the store now a natural disaster all right. Well that's enough of that and turn off your anxiety because this could be We ended last week's episode with mystery which we almost never do here on the first degree. A woman's body was found in Los Angeles vacant lot cut in half her face mutilated the murder of Elizabeth Short which soon became known as the Black Dahlia murder. But is it really a mystery. We introduce you to Russia in EVATT. Bantu's us to their great grandfather. George Hotel George could very well be the man responsible for one of the biggest murder. Mysteries in American history in today's case takes us back to December fifteenth of Nineteen forty-nine Mule train by Franklin was the number one song in the country Samson and Delilah and Walt Disney Adventures of echoed and Mister Toad were in the theaters and on this particular morning at the Superior Court in East Los Angeles. A high profile trial was about to commence the headline of the day was doctor. Goes to trial accused by daughter. That was the headline the La Times and this was a trial of Dr George Hotel and he had been indicted on morals charges. What does that mean? He stood accused of incest and the rape of his fourteen year. Old Daughter Tamar at a party in front of multiple witnesses. Preliminary details about the charges were confusing and painted a bizarre picture right so the La Times reported that the shocking accusations king slight after Tamar ran away from home when the police finally found her at a friend's house and asked her why she laughed in Ouachita runaway. She told them that quote her life was too depressing. They PROB- trust why and that's when she started to speak about what she'd been. Subjected to parties at the home of George Hodel were well known when the police went to the home of George Hodel to question him they learned that he was a toggle enthusiasts and they seized many questionable photographs that appeared to depict underage subjects some photos even depicting Tamar. So Georgia Adel was taken to the Hollywood jail and according into the LA times when he was questioned about what tomorrow is accusing him of. He said that he was quote merely delving into the mystery of love and the universe and that the actual Axa took place for unclear to him like a dream and he ended this with quote. I can't telephone being hypnotized or if I'm hypnotize ing someone. He was then released based on bail on the day of the trial in the courtroom of Superior Court Judge Thomas Ambrose hotels daughter tomorrow the stand and she said that on a night in the summer of nineteen forty nine. She got home from a date and saw her father and a twenty two year. Old Woman named Barbara Sherman naked in the bedroom And she said her father was hypnotizing. The woman and there were two other adults present. A woman named Connie Turin and a man. Fred Fred Sexton. who was a friend of George's famous artist and Tamar said she entered the bedroom and soon barbara helped her take her clothes off she? She then said she had intimate relations with Sexton then. She said her father forced her to engage in sex act with Barbara and then finally her father raped her himself and here are first degrees evatt Russia on their relationship with their mother Tamar. I think I was probably eighty six or seven when we first went to Hawaii to meet Tamar so when I first met tomorrow was at the airport and she was. She's beautiful you know. She's she's well spoken. She tells amazing stories. She's always dressed immaculately her her. Makeup is beautiful. You would think she. She had a ton of money. So she's the only grandma I've ever remembered but as she got older she got super hippy. Lake so she'd we're like sarongs and again. Well she always she was always very hippy. Bo dish but it was very stylish. Yeah gorgeous like blond hair blue wise like I'm I. I've been told that I look a lot like her. But she to describe her like walking into a room like it she you could meet her and she could convince you to pay her rent like that's how like relative and wouldn't even know that you pulled out your checkbook. She she just yeah manipulate or well the kind of makes sense because if you're into how do I survive can choose your survival mode good. Yeah it makes sense. Yeah she never worked at Danner Life. Never because I had this conversation with her and I said well tomorrow did you ever work. She's like now. So who exactly was George Hill Hotel. He was born in Nineteen o seven in Los Angeles and as a boy he was considered considered somewhat of a boy genius. With an I q of one eighty six and was also a musical prodigy graduated from South Pasadena High School at fifteen and enrolled in Caltech back. There he happens sleep with the wife of a professor. She got pregnant and he wanted to stay with her. She said no ante left school after a year he then enrolls at Berkeley and then he went to UC SF for med school and then he became a physician he married a model named Dorothy Anthony in the nineteen thirties. They had had a daughter. They called her Tamar then George Hodel moved to La and got a job a job where he would learn a lot of secrets he ran the La County Social Title Hygiene Bureau which meant that Hughes the man in charge of fighting venereal disease in La. He also had a clinic that treated de cases. And it's been said that this his job offered him the inside Scoop High Society namely all of their sexual secrets. George soon started hanging out with. Elliot's elite actors and Artists S.. And he would entertain them at hedonistic parties at his house and his house was referred to as the Saudi House or the Franklin House as it's also called and it's truly a work of art and it really is a leading character in the story. The home sits to this day at fifty one twenty-one Franklin Avenue just a few miles from where were sitting it was designed by Frank. Lloyd Wright instructed in Nineteen Twenty six and it resembles a Mayan fortress and. LA's curb did an excellent job at describe the essence of the home. They said quote. It's Mayan Revival Style has been called cul tick brooding gothic pile out. EVAC like raiders of the lost Ark and the jaws house. And it's it's called the jaws house because it kind of looks like a shark kind of like rising out of the border. The home includes a stage. A secret room essential courtyard an ornamented. Concrete blocks George love to entertain. He loved to collect art and he was a huge photography enthusiast and decorated the home with his collection and private photography work then in nineteen forty Georgia tall married. DOROTHY HOUSTON A second. Dorothy who was the former wife of actor John Huston and they had three children including a son named Steve Hotel in this house where they lived George lived with his first wife and their child along with his second wife in their children. So this is sort of a very modern family family for the nineteen forty s though some speculated that it was basically polygamy and one tomorrow was on the stand during the trial. She said that the rape at the party wasn't the first time that she it had been assaulted by her father when she was eleven. Who Doll forced her to give him oral sex and she said that one of her father's artist friends the famous photographer that you might have heard of named Man Ray took nude photos of her man ray had moved to L. A. in one thousand nine forty and became fast friends with Odell and according according to Georgia? Son Steve George doll was named with man. Ray and the surrealist art movement tomorrow also describe becoming pregnant but later had an abortion Russian and our stepmother told her that George was dangerous and she said you need to get out so she ran away and George sat at the defense table surrounded the powerful lawyers. He'd hired to go up against his fourteen year old daughter and they were relentless against Tamar. Here's an exchange lawyer there. Isn't it a fact that you told your father you had intercourse with forty boys in the month you had been in Hollywood. Didn't you tell them you were pregnant and didn't know who the father would be of your child tomorrow. When I found out I was pregnant? I wanted to call my mother and he didn't want me to lawyer had you've read it intercourse before Tamar. Yes with a rumor I fancied. See Myself in love with him seeming someone renting a room in Georgia hotels house. Hotels lawyer asked the Judge for psychiatric evaluation of Tamar and mccord agreed and the New York Daily News remarked about tomorrow's quote astonishing composure. And a story which they titled Quote Blonde Fourteen Diagrams. Hollywood sex orgy and even with all the badgering Tamar remain steady. Stuck Her story but other people didn't one of the women who had been in the room when the rape occurred twenty two year old. Barbara Sherman recanted her statement. And then the other Connie Taryn stuck her story and swore to seeing the rape but who does lawyers lawyers twisted her testimony to the jury and they said that she was in fact hypnotized by Odell as she was watching him hypnotized Barbara and thus she couldn't be trusted tomorrow own. Mother took the stand and said that a psychiatrist in San Francisco had previously said that her daughter was a pathological liar and that was used By the defense in order to get that Psychiatric evaluation and her grandmother said that she was a liar so at the end of December number the arguments were done in the case went to the jury which had eight women and four men and on December twenty third. After six hours of deliberation George Hotel was found innocent essence of the charges after his acquittal. He gave an interview to Newsweek and he said of his daughter quote were on a level of pure evil. Here you couldn't invent a story. This bizarre. This abuse in failure injustice deeply deeply impacted Tamar and as we all know cycles of abuse can continue you know. Yeah and she repeated the abuse that happened up into her. And we honestly didn't know didn't know of it until we did rudy level like mom protected us a lot from that one hundred percent. What what did you learn? I learned that Tamar repeated the abuse to we call her F- to our aunt and she repeated it to all of the boys except love sign out when Russia refers to love. She's talking about one of her uncles. Their names were peace love and joy. Audrey Tamar sons. She was a very very interesting yes she was. I mean she was a complicated woman in Russia and I have different views of tomorrow. You know because I I believe tomorrow was truly victim like she just had. She had no choice. She could not get that that whole lifestyle out of her head she blue ash never got past that and the lifestyle was her being abused. Sally ban her in her mind thought was. It's like a relationship when Raja. What's your opinion then so for me and I totally see where events coming from but for me like I truly believe that no matter whether you're abused or beaten up or raped or different things like you can choose to repeat that again or not repeat that you can choose the light over the dark Tamar are always chose? The dark. What happened during the trial was an incredible injustice reflecting an unfortunate that trend that persists to this day but there was one silver lining? Walter was on the stand as Georgia's lawyers attempted to discredit her. They questioned her about things she said. In the past about a gruesome murder in which a woman was cut in half her face and private parts mutilated and dumped naked in a Los Angeles field. The lawyer said quote. Isn't it a fact that you told a rumor and your mother's home in San Francisco. You knew your father had killed the Black Dahlia. It was a question that was meant to make tomorrow look crazy. And she answered no but the line of inquiry coupled with accusations of hotels perversions. Got The police wondering whether hotel could actually have have been the killer cause remember Elizabeth Short was bisected. Such precise manner that police believe the killer had some type of medical background. May here was a doctor Dr Having sex parties and being accused of raping his own daughter so two months after the trial in a move that would be completely legal now the lapd entered hotels home when he wasn't there in place listening devices. All around. The House may listen to everything. He said from February fifteenth to March twenty seventh in nineteen fifty in. What they heard was alarming based on transcripts that were discovered decades later on one? Particular Day the microphones picked up a woman crying attempting to the call the operator eight twenty five pm a woman screamed and then a woman screamed again and I'm noting. The woman was not hurt before the scream. Dan Dan George hodel quote realized. There's nothing I could do. Put a pillow over ahead and cover her with a blanket. Get a taxi expired. Twelve fifty nine. They thought there was something fishy she anyway now they may figured it out killed her then they heard what sounded like digging and then maybe a piece of metal striking pipe they also also caught hotel himself saying quote supposing I did kill the Black Dahlia. They can't prove it now. They can't talk to my secretary anymore because she's dead and and the secretary is talking about. Was Ruth Spalding. She died of an overdose in one thousand nine hundred five and former LAPD. Detective Steve. O'Donnell who has George. The Sun believes that his father killed spalding after she discovered fraud and his practice. Right so ruth spalding. Was Georgia Adel Secretary at the first street clinic and she died suddenly in May of nineteen forty five. The cause of death was ruled to be due to an overdose of barbiturates. But for whatever reason the facts were suspicious versus enough to draw attention from the LAPD. They learned that Ruth and Georgia Adel. We're having an affair in their relationship. Had recently ended something. Ruth was not happy about Georgia. Adel had actually been present when she died and then he actually burned a number of her belongings in a fire which only heightened their suspicion of him regardless Karlis evolve. This through spalding case was dropped due to lack of evidence however son of George Hotel. Steve says documents related found. That indicated. That ruth spalding had been planning to blackmail George Hotel about his habit of intentionally misdiagnosing patients and billing them for laboratory tests. They didn't need as as well as medical treatments and unnecessary prescriptions and procedures. But this case was never reopened it despite the discovery of these documents that later found so. There's no denying the type of man that your total is but did he murder Elizabeth Short. Let's go over the evidence. We have the transcripts of rather explicit explicit recordings that were taken when George Hurdles House was bugged then as far as physical evidence at the scene where Elizabeth Short's body was found. Detectives found a cement bag with a drop. Drop of blood on IT and George Hodel son Steve who was an LAPD detective homicide detective. He played a large role in revealing his father as a a prime suspect and he originally set out to clear his father as a suspect in the case but he ended up uncovering evidence to the contrary so so that cement bag. Steve Ran with that. So the cement bag that was found at the scene matched up with something that happened at the house. He he learned that a shipment of cement bags have been delivered to his father's house in Franklin Avenue on the very same day that Elizabeth Short disappeared. Also Giorgio del drove eight nineteen thirty six dark-colored Packard which was similar to the car that was noticed by a neighbor lingering for four minutes at the curb where Elizabeth Short's its body was found that morning and see hotel believes that his father had an affair with Elizabeth Short before killing her. He believes the two met because Elizabeth had been one of his patients. Nations and Steve PC series together from interviews news clips and stories from his family members. Steve got his hands on copies of the letters that the killer sent to newspapers papers after the Black Dahlia murder. Steve Hired a handwriting expert to compare against samples of Georgia dolls writing and determined that it was probable. That George Hodel Andro this. This Keller's note and Steve said in his book quote. When I saw the handwriting I thought Oh shit he did kill her and the first clue Steve Ever found that suggests just that his dad could be? The killer was black and white photo that his dad took of a woman who looked a lot like Elizabeth short and while many descendants of George Hodel also believed that he murdered murdered Elizabeth Short. Not everyone believes every piece of evidence that Steve Presents in his book. So I he. He is obviously was a guest on root of evil. When I met him it was? It's very weird so for me. St was always on a mission to tell his story which you know. He's the son of George Hodel. He's tomorrow's half brother and he discovered all this evidence and I I will never ever put that past him like he did. He's done the Work Ryan. Who is a former you know? La Homicide detective and he believes that George was the killer of Elizabeth Short. The Black Dia which I do believe that George Killed Her When Steve's information sort of came out what were some of the things that you you you saw from his investigation that you said Oh wow yeah that really makes sense from the book? I never bought the photo the photo I was like. Let's let's talk about the photo I go with you. Know he said or Steve Had Georgia's just that I think the only thing that a little black photo album you know that to to me didn't look like Elizabeth Short Right. That's that's the only thing but I mean. Can you explain this photo album. So the photo album if I remember correctly because George basically basically ordered his his widow to get rid of all of his things but the only thing that Steve was given was this tiny little photo album and there is a photo of a woman that looks similar to Elizabeth Short in his possession and so steve had that and he's like Oh that kind of looks like Elizabeth Short short and that's a stretch for me now. So what about the things that you know Black Dahlia venture comes out in two thousand and two. What about the things that have recently? Come out that you said Oh. Wow yeah this really even like the so the just the receipt Hakkari that was bought and delivered to this out in house. That was a big thing for me. That was a huge thing and crazy stuff that like Woke US tomorrow. Always told that George responsible for killing ruth spalding. Who is Georgia segment of the secretary? And then there was this other thing about the housekeeper. Deeper that George was also sleeping with that. If you listen to it he was saying you need to get rid of get rid of it or get rid of her. There's like these transcript. Yeah and the place at the body would well we think is the body that was ended up where he wanted. Put our one of our producers from root of Evil Luoi Lockridge. Lloyd figured out that place that that whatever it doesn't say body the body was this is supposed to be the housekeepers was in black Dahlia Canyon. Like just little things like George from what we've learned and heard was like there's never a misstep. There's also the matter of the surrealist art and its potential role in this murder. So many including Steph Odell believed that the arrangement of Elizabeth Short's dismembered body was a bizarre image to his father's close friend the surrealist photographer for an artist man Ray in Black Jelly evanger Steve Notes. That he believes the severing in positioning of Elizabeth Short's torso and the cutting of her mouth or nods. The two of his most famous works from the previous decade titled Miniature and Observatory. Time the levers so so there were certain parts of the Black Dahlia that kind of reflected some surrealistic are or specifically some man ray so so the blast and Julia Elizabeth Short's body way that she was dissected and the way that her album and her arms were left she literally was was posed to look like a very famous man. Ray Photograph and it was like Georgia's you know like idolized. Yeah Ray exactly weekly. So this was like his amish like he had arrived by his Razi. Yeah because I think Birmingham doctor was kind of like beneath him like he really wanted to be. This like crazy amazing artists. Do you think it was almost a one up nature deter us at okay. You're you're so respected as being this artist. I'm just this doctor but look what I'm GonNa do. I'm GonNa be this the articles together man ray and George very very good very good friends man. Ray took multiple family photos of the hotels and he took photos nude photos of our grandmother tomorrow when she was young and they kind of hung out. They hung out with Henry Miller and John Hughes John Huston and John and George were had both been married to the same woman during different times and surrealism. From what I understand. It's kind of like the man is lake in charge and women are nothing but sexual subject. Yeah and it's and man raise photographs and his art like that. That's what it's women are. Just there. For strictly pleasure like usher torture. Yeah and this. surrealist art component is just one more piece of the puzzle. There are many many pieces of evidence here. There's George who dolls medical background and remember. Detectives have long suspected that only a doctor could have cut up Elizabeth Short so neatly. Then there's the sexual depravity Georgia Adel was not shy about his sexual proclivities and through sex parties with some of the most powerful people in La. Then there's the surrealism tie-in and the cement bags being found at the scene being delivered Hotels House on the day that Elizabeth Short vanished. And then of course the wiretap where he said suppose I did kill the Black Doc Dahlia. They can't prove it now. So hotel obviously looks like an excellent suspect so what the hell happened. 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That hotel had been involved in a law enforcement payoff before and let's not forget that the LAPD in the late forties and early fifties was a really dirty department urban and it was habitually rocked by scandal. And then there's another theory on why the lapd left Georgia Adel alone and this is something we touched on a little little bit earlier. So stefo WWLTV's not only that his dad killed Elizabeth Short Anna Secretary Ruth but he believes that his dad may have committed a dozen or so other unsolved murders and the EP. For whatever reason decided to look the other way in covered up at Georgia dolls command again. Why so remember? We told the George Hotel was a specialist and venereal diseases and Steve claims that he was the go-to doctor for the rich and powerful in the belief. Is that Georgia to- blackmailed many men end. Because he kept these files that were so embarrassing and possibly life ruining which made him sort of untouchable by those in power and the sort of things he was doing was threatening to out closet. Homosexual men you know threatening out men to their wives who had. STD's things of that nature. which back then Dan? This is post sort of morality clause era where they were trying to clean up Hollywood and it would have been a really bad thing to have any of this stuff out out so we had a lot of leverage on people as what the theory is here so even though George Hotel did all of these horrible things probably raped his daughter probably killed truth probably killed Elizabeth Short probably a dozen other women. They left him alone but this guy smart. He didn't want a niece things coming up inviting him later. He didn't want to be looking over shoulder so he decided to get out of dodge anyway right and he left everything behind left his famous friends. Whose huge house and remember he was above the law? Any leaves he gets about as far away from L. A.. As you possibly can first Hawaii. And then he moved to the Philippines Enduro Trudell died in nineteen ninety nine and while he surely dead he left clues behind and left behind people who could speak the truth. So we've gone over George Hotel. We've talked about Steve Hotel. We've talked about tomorrow. Dow but the person who really who essentially brought rush innovate to us and brought this story to the forefront to the spotlight is Russia and events mother fauna who always had her own story to tell. My mom was given away the at birth. Under mysterious circumstances she was raised in a black household because on her birth certificate. It said that her father was Negro so of course back then she was given to a black family. Gosh I always say my mom was fifteen when when she had me but she actually had me on her sweet sixteen but it was six days after her birthday so I been with my mom since she she was a child child raising a child basically and as I was growing up and she was raising her two daughters. She had this curiosity in this desire to tracked down her birth mother because she realized that she was adopted. And that she he didn't look like she was biracial so she ended up following the path and found her birth mother. Tomorrow as Fauna Hotel grew up. She learned learned the truth about her race and who her family was. Tomorrow was candid about what had happened to her. And what had happened to the family and that Atlanta Fonda Hotel on a lifelong mission to dig for the Truth and share this story with the world von recorded many conversations with Tamar. You're that detailed. The abuse and those tapes fell into the hands of the daughters that and Russia our first degrees. who played these recordings in case hid? Thirteen's root of evil podcast and it was fond a story that inspired TNT series. I am the night directed by Patty Jenkins Our MOM was always on this mission to tell her life story always so she was almost completely driven vast syndrome with that and we lost her a breast cancer at the end of two thousand seventeen in it was quick. It was like a year and a half like I mean it feels like it was five minutes ago that she pass because it's like literally. After she died died six weeks later we were on the set of the night making her life dream. Come to life. Yeah and then we were approached by. TNT Do word of evil and that's how that will evolve so we've literally been going nonstop since she passed. And that was September thirtieth two thousand seventeen so she was still alive when you guys actually got on that you were Sushi new story one. Yeah Seinfield's for the final contrast with tea and hearn. Patty Jenkins had been wanting to make this for years so she signed the final contract eleven days before she died so she knew. I know. That's so wonderful for her though because that was her life's mission Shannon. She knew that even though she was passing it would end up. Her story would end up being. She knew that her girls would carry on are like yeah arranged everything and she read the pilot. She knew the direction it was going she knew I am. The night was just going to be inspired by right. She didn't know what's coming but I know that like I think she and I think that's that's why the your podcast was so good and so powerful that you were able to make that bridge between the two stories you were able to to to go in and say all right right. There's the story of this. Pardon the term. This family more depth than anybody's meet home now and then but then you've also got this. This is the biggest mystery in American history here and then those are going to merge together and that's what you guys were able to do with them So bye now at this point in the episode where well aware that George Hodel went on trial for the incest and rape of Tamar so the assumption in here is that yes there was abuse in there was rape all of that happening so one of the big questions that exists when you hear the story is who it was faunas father right before mom was about to pass. We asked question. Yeah we asked mom. Do you think George. There's actually your biological father and again knowing that our mom was the most positive person on the planet. She never wanted to say that out loud two days before she died she said. I absolutely believe Georgia's my father. I didn't realize until we did root of evil because our uncle love and love's only seven years older than me. We were raised more like siblings but he said the little bit before Tamar died. She said out loud she believed George was our moms father and for me growing up like I never believed that like I didn't want that to enter my psyche at all totally tonight tonight. That's not possible this. The most beautiful positive person on the planet could not be a product product of nils but Russia. I always thought that especially because I was always in tomorrow's space like asking her the questions like so like because she would always change the story like one go to some parts of our people in the family. She'd say it was some Italian guy that got her drunk and raped her to other people. She'd say she was gang-raped like so her stories stories would change and then when I would boldfaced like asked her to her face like up in until probably like five or six before she died. She'd never gave me a direct answer. And that was with you because with me she always gave me the same story. He was summertime. Playboy INS and outs go. Who got me drunk and took advantage of me and I loved him but I thought that was? I always thought that was very strange because someone who was such an amazing storyteller and who could remember such detail she couldn't remember this guy's name. It's like you know we've dealt with this our entire life. We we know who we are. We know who our mother was. Yeah that's not going to change coup. That brought us into this life to come from where she came from. She was the most positive boast kind kind she she juicing Joe Shoe and she was like that in life and she it was just the polar opposite of everything that she came from. Now we've explained the House that George Hodel lived in the Franklin House or this out in house. Whatever you WANNA call? It was a central figure in this massive story. Russia EVATT and their mom on each the opportunity to visit the house. We we went knocked on the door and my mom introduced herself saying you know that her great grandfather was one of the first donors in his house and if she could come in and she's so graciously flee let us come in and she gave us a tour of the House and then she took us to the basement. I lost my shit it. So mom mom Momma standing next to me and we were we were. She was showing this. I don't even show us around and I could feel the energy energy I mean it was so heavy like I started crying. I went into an anxiety attack. kind of like hyperventilating. And then my mom dropped to your knees and she started like praying and I don't even know what the hell she was saying. It was so intense you know and finally we went out but you just knew with with every being of your body that somebody died down here in this basement it was. It was the eareas serious feeling I ever had in my entire life and it's weird too because when you're in the Saudi house like in the middle of it like it's all open aired in the middle so it looks like it's like this you you can tell like shit had gone down there at times. There's been a pool and at times it's been crossed. I think when he lived there it was just land snow. That like when I was having that now the body experience like you feel like snuff films were done. They're like you just feel like all kind of insanely evil bullshit was happening in that house and when you were feeling that were you. Were you thinking this is where this is. I was thinking this is where migrate grandfather. George Ho del killed the Black Dahlia. With the case. This old layered in stranger than fiction. There are always going to be conflicting views on who the true killer of Elizabeth Short was with Stephen K.. A veteran LSD. I said the following Newsweek. When asked about out Steve Hotels investigation into his father and Steven K said I believe Steve Hodel has solved the case? I think that is something you you know. One of the most versed in this says that it's something another thing too is that Steve was shown some very very private. Da a files that still exists to this day in by then Georgia Elvis one of only twenty two suspects period. So there's only twenty two two and he's one of them in there. Was this much evidence wool. I'm not sure this is a provable case. I don't think this is the Kirkham Income Stachel case. It looks really good for it. Looks really good. I like him a lot for this case I couldn't go to trial with it. I mean there's not a no one can no one can but it does make you wonder like. Where's the cement bag with that blood drop like? Where is this like what happened to all the evidence you know? It's an age. Old Tale. Evidence gets is lost all the time and you said yourself. Corrupt nature of the nineteen forties and fifties. Mata just junk has gone by the nineteen fifties. You didn't do them any good. Well what do you think. The the most compelling evidence that he did kill Elizabeth Short is. I think it's what you what you read. And the concrete is that the tapes the receipts the when his house was bugged and the things that he said. And did I mean just things if you think about just the degrading of his own child of his own daughter her like that's going to leave. I mean that's all led to the killing of a little elizabeth short and his second. I mean it's just I have to say to like something that didn't make the podcast because it was actually. It was a gift that was given to us after we did it of you all so our theme song star Dream Girl. Well is David Lingerie for those of you. Who aren't familiar? David Lynch is a very famous filmmaker. TV director composer and on one particular day Russia Russia any vets rude evil producer called them and said he's like you guys available in five minutes. David Lee Delicious to talk to you. I was like what I and then and we got to talk to David. Lynn Twenty minutes in he shared a sterling was fascinated with the whole story. Honestly his his evidence is most compelling for me like I know one day he'll probably tell this story and he was just imagine David Lynch's voice like telling you on the phone like you just. It's Kinda like you're listening to him and he was saying I have notes at home. I don't remember the specific names but he was given a lot of access to LAPD. Because his I think he was GonNa do something on the Black Dahlia or friend or some friends. Detective that was one of the head. Detectives of that was the Black Dahlia case. And so he got to see all the evidence and he saw photos. You did all these things. And he's like trying to figure out if George was the killer and all this years and years and years ago and then he was was it was it loosened Franks Musso and frank's thank you. Thank you Alexis. And he was sitting sitting across from the detective. Detective is about Oh to to retire and he he slides a photo to David. And he's like look at this photo and it was the scene of where our Elizabeth Sir body body was found on Franklin Avenue and it was a black and white photograph and David was staring on it for like fifteen minutes. This is what he was striving coming to us. And he's like it was so beautiful and you know it was like the moon line all this and it was the score judy was like what am I. What am I what am I looking for what? What am I waiting for the detective just up like left like disappointed? David didn't see it and then David's like her body was discovered discovered in daylight and that photo was taken at night so that had to have been taken by the killer and they don't he doesn't even know L. where the photo was found. Like like all this crazy and I was just like what the but he said it was like a pristine gorgeous beautiful photo Are really like he was like it was a piece of the Ray. Reagan got chickens. Just thinking about it right now and I'm listening to was. Does that photograph sent somewhere sent. It must have been sent to that detective right before he retired and he and he didn't give it to David David Wright it only we realize it I think it was like the next day was days later right on lake. Have the photograph to look back to. It was so what we're saying is that it was different photograph than we've seen the we said we see the photograph during the day. It was in the morning actually probably by the time they got. There's probably late morning morning sunlight in there but when David Lynch filmmaker he knows more about lightly than anybody else he's like that's that's moonlight. That's that's that and then he realized the next day. Holy Shit. This was taken by the killer. Fauna succeeded in having her life story be told to the masses in through her story. The memory of the victims in this case is kept alive it's like mom was always about honoring Elizabeth's life and honoring the victims at George affected including Tamar. She wanted you know the victims to be remembered. She didn't want George be remembered. You know and it's like I feel deal. Lake Karma has kind of taking care of things like especially with with rid of evil and I am the night like whether or not the actual murderer is ever truly truly Shuli like LAPD solved Georgia. Adel will forever be known as the number one suspect and the you know possible killer of Elizabeth Short in the Black Dahlia already. Huge thank you to Russia and Evatt for being are first degree connection for two weeks straight We loved loved. Loved hearing your story and they were just the most wonderful gasoline could ever ask so we are going to be your best ease. We love you guys. I know now we're in a uh-huh yeah if you guys have a story to tell please email hell at the first degree podcast. Dot Com follows mainstream at the first degree. Alex's linkletter her at Jack Vanik Ability Johnson joyner secret facebook group by searching the first degree in the search bar gets emerge and stick around for killing time because the girls are stay with us. Remember only you can prevent serial killers and keep your friends close but not that close disaster I sources for today's episode include the Black Dahlia Evanger. The L. A. Times curbed Newsweek through of evil podcast the L. A. Examiner court documents and as always our first guests are always our largest source. 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Call like I was convinced recently so so I'm like okay. I'm GONNA leave you. I'M GONNA I'm like I'm too. What's the word not conniving? The wrong chew ooh crafty Griffin door. So I had to take the test and I did the whole thing. And it's just so far in Griffin Dora say I took a a bunch of tests including the the official test potter more and I was Raven claw over and over and over again. Then powder Moore said we have a new test. And then I took it and I was slithering I can see you being a chicken skin. Billy Letheren all show love. You is the epitome of this. Can you test what. If I'm not what if I'm like a jubilee puffer whatever universe Gigli pucks and almost awesome senior anyways. We're talking about would I be. I would be. He's it's not clear. What any of it is a very round? hokey mind all right. So so you guys going to the the iheartradio awards is an actual award ceremony. The podcast annual. So I guess last year was just the first here. Is this address event. Oh yeah actually we need your help to choose from waiting. So I am wearing a suit and tie as the FEM fabulous lesbian than I am. She's all set time off and convince what you read right. Live list. Okay yes a bold red lip. Yes but my gorgeous beautiful sister is the most indecisive person on the planet. I am not indecisive but when it comes to fashion when I try things on I fall in love so it's like I don't know which one to pick and she's her own worst critic need help. Yeah Okay so which one you want. Michaud them I show them the jumpsuit. There's already like I'm adjusters. Go Low jumpsuit. All Day Talia Awesome. Okay describe this. It's Yaffa Red Jumpsuit. With a little Thai at the waist and tight leg pockets and palm podcasts. That's amazing I love. I love the battle of rent the runway way. My friend is a stylus in San Francisco and then she pulled these. I'd never done rent the runway. It's great not an ad. No you're not a medic can be spread the runway. 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The Staylyns on Comedians Interviewing Musicians

Comedians Interviewing Musicians

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The Staylyns on Comedians Interviewing Musicians

"Welcome to comedians interviewing musicians, you're listening to the audio version of the live streaming vodkas from Austin, Texas. This is season. One episode twenty five recorded on January twenty third two thousand eighteen live from the music firsthand studio with host Becky Joanie O and Chris Petrova. Our musical guest is the Staelens. It's important. We say thank you to our patrons because without them. This show would spontaneously combust that'd be bad for a lot of reasons. Thank you. Thank you for supporting local live music when you become a patron, not only do you help promote these radars. You get rewards like real stuff. So for as little as a dollar a month will unlock the doors and exclusive behind the scenes content, and then depending on your level of contribution. You get your very own spotlight on the show merge. From the artists sent to your mailbox each month and VIP invites to our shows. Join our club and support the music sign up at comedians, interviewing musicians dot live. That's comedians, interviewing musicians dot live. And now brought to you by music first-hand live music booking app. Here's comedians interviewing visions. Welcome to music firsthand. I'm Chris traffic and I'm super excited beer. I'm really excited. Also because we've got a new sponsor this month Hobson grain, which is yes. Yes. So if you haven't had or if you've not had the mosaic. My favorite. I'm used to check them out. So we're super excited have hops and great onboard music for San is proud to present to you. The statements Jillian the students. Mrs base this. Everyone and why. Edmundo iran. We once why. He's like. Hi. I do. Remember that? Dog. Have he stay? In. Things gonna be g five members thing. It's going to be fine. It's going. All right. We'll see. I. That thing. Why? Hang and so. So thank. That haven't been. Everyone teen minutes everything. Everyone's in Gooden. It's all. Fine. Gone. Shoes. When you be. Ravin? Then rim and. Thing. Vigili? Slime things. No. It's gonna be fine. It's gonna be. Pretty sure that Susie. Gotta crush on of. Doesn't like why. Why why now? Yeah. That's a super Austin. Horns, and I did that wrong. When he does this. Rather? I love him. All confused either death metal right? Yeah. It was like Ronnie, James DIO. Kind of ood this like a bowl. Like when did you write that zone? When did I write that last at least two years ago when Matthew mcconnahey was accepting Grammy award Academy Awards? She's like, you know, there's a song in this. She wrote. Wrote. I was like you wrote that about me, right? About every Sloan. So originally, there's no like, no, I did not like just lied to me just lie. You're my math. Mccown hang. Jodi, Austin like. But I get feeling Johnny Austin is like fake name matching the Kona. Hey would use it hotels. Johnny still it. Okay. You could use it. Just give me. Also like can we share the hotel room? Down with us. Right. Like, it's not in the county. But what giant what's your last name dealing feeling? Yes. Yeah. That's right and Suzy's stealing. Made name. I never changed it because I was told that was a pain in the butt. Change it legally. So I just didn't it is. Writer, ticker, filing, Suzy statements. Okay. That's what I'd ever. Here's the truth. She's like should we change our name to heal? And I was like, no dinner band. Name won't make any sense. And I was like let's change our last names to stale, and she's like, no you win this that would have been good. Yes. Really do that. Awesome. Start a new Pige us. Yes, he did. Apparently, it's really hard to change your last name. Wanna do it? DNV like Johnny stay true, Johnny in for Johnny Austin or to my friends. Johnny Phelan, only, my friend. Borderline just wear. Okay qualify. Okay. I to make sure we're by the end of the show phone number. That's true. And and Joe, yeah. Ju I'm Joey when I'm with them on your show when I'm undercover fast because he has like five friends name. I'm starting Joey project. Sorry, generally. King Ruben of back injuries. It's like baby go you'll go, but so much cuter. Remove and so many musician friends named Joey I know I can't keep track of that easily four manager. He could he could devote can't count past four keep having to start over. They all like be decked out in Pok, Mon hats because that would be. Yes. Thankfully, they're all just as big of a nerd as I am fair. You have or do, you know, I gotta pick at you. Oh, my God joke that thing. I just came up with the best idea of Twenty-eight, teen, everyone, burn their planners. Is that a honestly I would my heart is racing. I just thought it was we're going to have you on the show. Managers make all the money. I'm also letting I don't know what if. Like money, right? You'd like money in your Bank account if I had a Bank account. I just again just calf station that I just three let's say my shoe a big account. Arching actor my Bank account is guest to yet. That's what I do. You do. Really? I was a cowboy. You're welcome. Had the Oscar nomination already been turned in actually, my mom had a question. Like, you say you wrote like a year and a half ago like writing song, you see mama to quit mama had a question. I'm going to come back to win the question. Okay. Reminded me of something. But cool all I is like. Does like like sound change in. How often do you write like comp out? Random sounds see. How long are most of our songs at the end. Well, a lot of we're the main writers in the band, and he's got a lot of material. That's either never been released or he's released and he wants to rework it and that kind of stuff, and so he can pretty much pull something out of his pocket at anytime about this. And I do not have that. So I'm always writing something new every song. She's written has been released by the state Len's. And it's a great catalog. We do have a new song that we've been working on. And it's coming out February fourteenth called Bonnie and CLYDE a dangerous. Tune but also sex. Clearly, I yeah. I right. I don't know. It depends on the you know, the year in what's going on. But I probably white what three years I'm like going about songwriting is in Nashville. They do it like work you show up at nine o'clock in the morning. If you don't have a song by five pm that night fired in our band. We just right like whenever so sometimes some so we'll get a couple songs and sometimes it'll be months before new song. But every song is. Sometimes I start with the lyric. Sometimes I start with the riff, you know, it's kind of just you know, I'll hear something. And sometimes I'll hear something someone else's doing think, you know, like, a not necessarily, you know, we we don't wanna have a blurred line situation here. I'm not writing other dot coughing. Don't say baby say wasn't that? You can't take it back. Don't even say that train of thought. I know what you're talking about. Listen every one of our songs originally. Outward lines. I've never heard the song. Oh. Anyone just here? Like like, something they're doing like as part of their hook and offing. Government. No, no. We have a lot of different writing styles. Interestingly enough, Suzanne writes, most of the hit I like to think I do. But I don't you can go in our Spotify Duff is long to her song. That's because they are great. But I write more of like music, and then it'll be like, okay, this this music's cool. Nominal Mika song? And whatever idea I have. Alright it the fun part is to actually have a songwriter bounce stuff off. Because the best song we one of my favorite songs all three of us wrote, which I was sitting down from a haircut at a barber shop downtown that had an acoustic guitar just sitting there, and I started Rydell and after that I was like I love that. And then years later, I'm talking like two years later, we should do something this. She came up tonight DEA, and then wrote basically the lion. Share in the Joan I added in a couple more parts were actually working out like some. And then when we were done like, Joe, you're singing this and. And it's my favorite song. And we're gonna play tonight. XM nice. You guys have been working there for a while. Right. So you probably have worked out like now to system, you kind of know each other really well, right? That makes that whole we have a real process now. And you know, when we started I thought we would write together, you know, 'cause he's my husband. So I thought early rain and I asked him to write something win time. We were something about who said something about sex and coffee, and he's a that's a song. You should write that song. And I'm like, well, we should write that timing owning. I said six and coffee that was the phrase I pronounce, and she's like that sounds good. You should write. That's on. You said that to me don't turn this. As a songwriter. You never want to hear someone say you should write that. Because then you're like, well, let your idea I should write it. Now. It's not anyway, my exact response is like you should write that song like a two year old. Eleven year old on you should write that. And then that night came to me with it. And I wish I would have wrote this. But you try and I thought I said something like don't you want him? And he goes, no, you come to me when you have a song. So I was like to the line Mary here. I feel him is a reality show. And I'm gonna be the jury not the jerk y'all just I am. They're throwing team. All right. If that's what we're doing thin. Like once I did it the, you know, I'd written two songs at that point. That were just sort of like, you know, me doing it. And then I was like, oh, I don't actually need right. I can just write my own song. Hashtag teams. Oh, I'm not the actual guitar player the band, so I come to with the bones of the song. And then he actually puts the guitar to it that actually makes it a song. And not just something. I'm seeing in the. That like you'd be like punt of meet him. But can you read the guitar part though? Because I don't know like. I give an easy for this. Even if I write it on guitar, I still need him to actually play the I don't play as well Sita's. And so and put it out. I'll take my points on the back. That's right. Did we work it out? And then once we have it we bring it to Joe. And we say, okay, this is the feeling we're going for and then he makes the whole thing actually. This is kinda cool break job playing like. Wow. This song. Awesome. Song? We rude. Wake up in practice. Some time to doing something go freak out. And then they're like us perfect. Okay. Okay. Yes. A out McConnell hates them. Like, I guess them playing some Bongos. Everyone's matthew. Matthew do. He doesn't know either. Right. What did I come in your Matthew got easy because I just like react? And then they like it. I guess the easing. Normal. It's normal body to think five different things at once. That's insane. Yeah. Pets five things happen. I don't understand that all all the pins are moving. Yeah. All of them. All well. Like too much a slow down. I don't wanna know how many of his opinions. Everyone. You could just watch it. It's going to happen. A drummer. And they were like cool, and they got me this amazing drum kit for Christmas, and I just sucked terrible and like my dad's franchise to help. But it was I just could not there's no way. Brutal Stewart eight bowl. Brain onto the levels in your listen it. No, no, ma'am. Everyone. Everyone can play drums. Not everyone plays. Really good drums. Very you can go. Actually have good drums. That's another story. That's pretty much all the desperate to high school. Studio twenty but that's the perfect xactly. I mean, they that's that's your copyright infringement. It should figure out who ripped off the first guy who just really sucked to the drone that sure really copyright drumbeats through the things copyright infringement money. Bad drumming doesn't make any money. That's true. And that's a body might dress. That's my I'm broke. You guys have produce a lot of music to right? I mean, like do you guys have an ice catalog out there? You don't see d- baby, by the way. Baby streaming spotlights. Yeah. Because you did a full EP last fall to we did the we we released a collection of single so system now that we're putting out every song we right as soon as record it. So people can listen to it and start making this money soon as speech streaming. It's been making money, then we repackage it into a CD that no one buys because see dead sell it to people at shows with an autograph still by that. But I I appreciate hanging up in there. What is there to say the album art line, though? It's cool. Yeah. They do that do with every I want to feel terrible. But it's like, I know I can get your shit. You are true music fan. Yeah. I just like thing too. Is we only press three hundred of them because that's the least amount we can get with the glass. Master. And that's it. No one knows. But it means that it's the best version of CD that you can get. Cr, but we don't make another three hundred. So once you buy CD, let's say we sell out, which we have sex and copies gone. You can't buy that anywhere. So if you go on CD baby or Amazon, really? Yeah. Trying by sex and coffee. It'll be forty bucks instead of ten bucks. Someone's like, well, I got this on my computer now, no one else collector's item. So by CDs. Just because speaking of all the music produced doing under song. Yeah. All right. Other toll. We haven't talked about this song at all. We'll get to those. This is the single that played on the indie radio campaign. We put out loud to all right everywhere. It's called you. Don't know. I wrote it after I heard MBA by Hanson. But I didn't copy them. Hoppy, just the cool part is that it's I wrote it. In a way that a female and male could sing it to each other. Is that big use? Well, really people getting into true any dogs cats. Anyway, it's just so it's a duet in a lot of ways. So Susannah everywhere, I love it. I love song. This is dedicated. I'll lovers out there that don't know each other yet and haven't met. The words place thing. Don't you know gonna be the ones coach she comes to me. No you. Fun things you want to keep you satisfied. Not get show. Thanks you. Fadi? Maybe. The. Just don't don't. Someday, soon dot com be standing to. Don't somewhat he coach you can keep you. Well. Some. No them as being. Fainting. Beamy of fanny. Stone. Be. Some land is as by the don't talk face to face. Speak out some days where we don't talk face to face. Has been found gave. Don't you know gun way to get into your mind yet? Feel nights. Fainting. Baby. Beim shoes. Just still. Get on. You just don't know. And goes out to math mccown. Fair thing to man that is a fun song. It really feels like like I should be like in the quad. Poop in hangar. That's obvious summer song little bit for acting. See, I'm a psychic is freaking out socially. Because like I wanna have good is good me. Hey. Hey. You're in the music video sold, and it'd be just tuned into tune-in, we're on YouTube by which is new for us normally on Facebook. Mario has been working social telling our friends on Facebook might tuned in there to jump over here to you to. We've hops ingrain sponsoring us tonight. We're here with the Staelens which was super excited about. And so if you have a chance to check them out these go to their website, it's the reverse of nation dot com slash the Staelens. Is that right? There you go. The band commitments the Beatles. S someplace you didn't go with the whole eagles thing. And just be like, hey, we're here. What staelens? Because it's awkward like thus. You wanna stay you wanna say though with right? Although I will admit that Evans like, hey stallions. I'm like, no statement. Just like, no, stay Len's. So it's ale. It's water. Downsides. You guys hear that all the time. Anyway, stallions all the way. And I love the wild style. See that was worse than this about. I've been officially. Getting for so long. I don't really I want to pick your brain on. What you think? What do you think they hold you really want relationship? I need. No. I actually been like you people like in an art artists community that you like pack up with your like, yes, I know that we support each other and we have good common vision. And that's really hard especially with like this the fact that there's so much competition in the art world in general, what do you think holds your band together differently than Janis? Larry's. Funny, married. No, I'll be honest with you. I've been in a lot of bands throughout my whole life. And they all lasted just shy of three years. Just when things are starting to happen the ended, and it was always about drugs, drinking and that extra. So when I started this band, I was actually just Johnny Austin. And I was with my straight edge drummer, it's got hotlines. We were just not drinking no drugs. No rock because I just let the band that literally imploded from all the drugs. Well, not drugs all the drinking on sixteen. Sixty is a great place to get your own not to be successful. Yeah. Only thing is to get in twos. I never got an ST d I know. I think. I started leading Susan. I like your question. I actually believe that at the ten year marks things really start happening for bands. Landed the booking agent that now they're awesome. So I started dating Suzanne in basically, it was like, hey, you wanna be my band after she's saying because she can sing right? Yeah. That'd be my van wave knows. But she when we were dating I don't drink or do drugs. Not to do that. And so that was like the start. I think of the foundation to build for years, and then I saw Joey plane with a drum of band. He was playing drums with the band, not Okla. He had a mountain dew on state, and he was drinking the mountain doing us. I think I think that's my drummer. You still fun to watch. And so I stopped him for year. And then I got him in my band. I think that was that same foundation. I say stalking. It's true. But it's worked out. I did it was off Stockholm's. All this together. If we all die if you die. We all your worthless. That was back in the basement is. Is really easy to get along with. It's always nice to have someone. That'd be like. Hey, rollover. I'm gonna sleep on the cool. I'm rolls over. Sleep anywhere. Whereas we're contractually obligated plays each other dead. He's easy to get along with like a play with other drummers. There can't be in a band with you from one three years. This guy. I could see us playing at one hundred years old together. So we get back. Okay. All right. And not enough or nothing. He's super talented that has a lot to do with it. When you play, of course. Yeah. Shine you like a few times, we just got a kick out of the band. No, not really. But my wife would just be like he's so good. We can't play with anyone else ever because you start to rely on decorates when you just saw that less thing. There's tighter not ever if you play with anyone you start to realize, oh, it's not the same as the three of us experience that other bands. Tightness. Yeah. So I think that's important contract you guys establish, right? I mean, and it's really important MacOS agreements each other. But then you're right after awhile you work together for so long that you can sort getting their rhythm success. Like, you have noth- success where you like this is so work better than trying really hard and having out like an alcoholic, brother stone. He was guitar player. Houston break beer bottles on guitar in Strunk state. I'd like to on the glass shatter all over the bay. Oh, all audience cool show. I was like what are you doing? It's awesome. Like, no. Yeah. Do that. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm out this shoot after show just job of names. Like, you're so great. Like, I know. Thank you agree. We had a couple. Come in online. So. Yeah. Yeah. Which was a great lead in Johnny. So here, here's a great comment from you guys may know may know, this guy, Jay Phelan. He says Jay so thanks for tuning night. He says you're a great man Opie make a bundle of money this year. Good luck, dad. Thanks to emphasize make the money. My mom would say to me. And we've got another one. That's the Senate in over. They probably come into your. Yes. Stood. Oh from Lena Wong? White. Hey, stay Len's Aloha from Hawaii. That's almost an international audience. I know you could see Russia from Hawaii. They know that will I two years ago. And I wanted to throw my phone through the house like, yeah. Thank you facing reminded me that I was on a beach Verrieres ago. So you don't wanna to I do. Go. We all make and we do the livestream from your place time up except for the bums. That are coming that. They tell us about that was so messed up. Thanks for coming out of the bunker to watch the show. Ridiculous. Hey, can we because we're running a little behind? Can we go to another songs, I know flex dialing perform if through that. Okay. We're gonna do the only triple coat right in the band, all three of its wrote this all of us collect publishing money on it. So if you played on Spotify all make a penny after thousand place. Just like me. It's a do it to between Jones about when you're in a partnership any partnership, like we'd get along so much better. If you just like me. Wrote this Qatari the barbershop fiber. History. Joey on the loose. I said the wrong thing. Kin. Again. Now. Ground. Two. John. Can. Why can't you see? Then we. About. To be. John. Hi, then we could move on. Why? Swan. I don't wanna be. Thinks johnny. One more. Yeah. All right, lazing, gentlemen. The most famous played song on the wholesale catalog all the way from twenty twelve. Suzy on the base road. I think I inspired. I can't be. In other words. Don't. Some in fines me Bill with possibility. We had so bright them one. Oh, it's a day with no string. Be. Grab the paper. The daily, MS. Scott up. Name is stem next to me. Thing. It's. Thank. Be. I know. Two. Johnny. The day's almost gone have done uh thing. Dress. Thing. Well, I mean. Big. Hey. Shoot him. Hey, thanks. What I need to. Him about that. Bid me, and you. Right. I appreciate it. Appreciate the Brady come to every show feel that you couldn't control control. Apparently, the puppet couldn't handle it. So I. Hijacker checked by Austin? This thing on your shoulder for we stage dive spleen head open show. You did get it was a total stage. All the things that are on this. This is definitely the most. Because we want to be unprecedented. Yes. This is never happened before. No never had those never had. We are actual artists. We got hit with something again. Well, we hear heavy means that. This gaming. We've never had one of our buddies. Dive. Secrets heavy scary. That is a that is a fun song to do. Yeah. Put your sponsors stuff in a place where it can fall. That's true. Yeah. I had Zoe from Hobson grain Hickey Vora. That's good. Too cute. And it didn't hurt at all. A bastardized versions of hats. We're we're blowing up online. Let me just share. If you so victim online. Hey, this is from I'm raving, how do you pronounce this one? From cook. It. It's just eleven K eleven though, something awesome. Love your music. Mark. I don't know when that came in by. Let's think that's Russian for. A semi wants know what your top from James deland. Jay families here. Thanks for joining us, James. Yes. So tell us about the James and Joey are like twins. Yeah. So Joey's my adopted Texas brother, and literally I consider him. My brother James is James never learned drums. So he can't the band drowns. It could teach you so Joey James this goes into this shirt. Topnotch fun fact are band started like a sponsorship package, and I wear t shirts of people that pay me money. So I'm also going to get a music firsthand. Shirt listening racers blind right sharing the music but top notch. Just the most delicious burger place in all of Austin. And you know, why kick back there's only one of them when you start having eighteen or twenty of them. You lose top notch is top notch. Go ahead and go. There could yourself a delicious barbecue. Matthew, mcconaughey was in a movie that was filmed at top. That's all. Back into the bedroom. Didn't you? Doesn't. She does. That's great another comment too from Lena Wong? Yeah. We got virtual clapping her. So love. Thank you, internet client, sign language clapping. How do you like? What was this is? We do our especially. Okay. So weekly. My mom calls me. And she tells me that a family shows where. Well, yeah. I mean, I love her. She's the best. Thanks, mom. She always sends him some questions to ask artists like a rapid fire. They're not like. Very very very easy. And they're just gonna like it's gonna sound timer. There's no like no, no one's gonna like get mad. If you do. Right. Like this, man. For Pete's per minute. You know, I thought it was a medical thing. I'm really getting twenty of something medical grade made up word, okay? That's what I thought. It was a medical sorry. The party. I'm going to deal with this every week. She says what's going on? Okay, ready further the of Linda, mom service. Joe let me like no they're like for everybody. Began interest fast. You can't. But the thing that comes to mind. All right. So the weirdest show you ever played. Dallas. No, the new show all the nudity show. Nudist colony? But I'll I agree with Joe it's a two for their both the weirdest nudist colony because everyone was nude and the accept six twenty two our network gig. We played where a band actually took off their clothes. Well, they were they were trolling other Stanford. We're close they got kicked off shave shakes so many out they involve nudity, but one of them was happy nudity. One of them was angry nudity. Wow. Angry dude in Dallas. And the best in Mainur. That's all news calling shut down. Yeah. Let's actually talk about that. It's it's pretty it's my Jackson. Disappoint your favorite venue you ever played the nudist hard time. Pretty good. I like our tails, but the best. My favorite would have to be reliant stadium. Oh, gosh. Yeah. Forgot we got to play for the monster jam cool. They had this like meet and greet thing. They did before the monster jam and we got to play it, and it was super cool and all the cool like trucks right in front of us. And then they gave us free tickets to come to the show agreed to your laundering rally pick party ten thousand people Ryan stadium this teeny sideshow. But to channel. There's pictures of it. We didn't video because there's like ten fifteen monster truck. Yeah. Cool. But we played there three times in two months. I know we watch the monster truck rally. Great to it was off. Well. That one of the trucks that was like right in front of his actually complain that we were to. Stage. Man, you guys you turn down that much truck. I can't hear I was like. Monster right found canceling headphones of let's benefit out. He's just trying to talk to the kids and he was right in front of our speakers. That's right. All the kids are there to get get autographs from grave diggers, totally. But my actual favorite menu. That we ever played we sounded the best. We looked the best as the best show ever. It was juniors junior tonight that we were literally thought that the deck was checking in stage was gonna fall apart because it was December. They have the street party at the beginning of the month. Okay. We were the first Friday show, and it was standing room only. I'm literally extended Elvis tassels standing cool. Everyone bouncing and I was like we never do encores because they're fake. Yeah. And we're like playing finish good night because it's over, and it was have more and more like, no, we're like taking less, and then we're like this is the this is. Want to play one more and we play our best song less over like, we don't have a better than this. But here, we'll give you throw your bones. The place was bouncing, and I was like this whole thing to come down the news. I didn't. But that was my favorite show CNA feelings miss that place anymore. I was like we were famous fairly like my autograph guitar hanging on man. Feeling that was when we peaked just crested. Okay. If you could write a law to help musicians. What would it be because see the Staelens? That was way too fast. Like, this is nice. I'm doing good law. Thought about this. And I want to send this read out as I would say, my my rule would be that you have to pay some sort of flat fee here that you can't just say it's going to be a percentage of GAM door the bar because how does the band know, what your real numbers are auditing hands? Like, okay show me the book show me the register receipts. Oh, you made one hundred dollars pay me. Ten bucks? Cool at least I saw the receipts. They don't show they're gonna give you. Yeah. Timpson nothing still. But my law that should be written is that venues get one thousand percent tax breaks on every penny. They pay a band. That's genius. Yeah. Did you get like a two thousand dollar tax break? Yeah. Two thousand so then it's not like that's a given. Yeah. And the thing about it is the city is gonna lose some money, but all that money's going directly into the pockets of the musicians that make this town, live and breathe. It's a simple thing and Lehman sitting in his television watching front room is going to want them to get two thousand dollars to two thousand percent tax break. Yeah. You do you totally. That's how they're out. Yeah. Don't give it to like helping people that might help someone that helps musician just give it to the musicians by giving tax break because the fastest way for venues to make keep money and make money. It'd be like a paid this musician a thousand dollars right now it's worth twenty thousand right? It literally turns it around in the coup part is they'll make a hundred thousand dollars on the year. They'll get to keep some of that in their pockets and musicians will be real money. Can you thought about this? Oh, I know we've talked. Sounds like that's not working. That's not helping music houses. Number twenty three. This Bill like eight happen. If I into. Venues are like trying to like how can I pay my lease? Here's out more widely musician money in your tax expert, and it helps every unity the venues the patriots watching going better music. And then obviously, you're going to be able to pay their rent too. Good. Not you have any problem making money, dad. We make plenty of. Chilean? Back off of that who which one of you would run for office if not. It is pictures. Good face, mice, devastating. Attractive one of the band and has the least amount of like skeletons. I think so. This is the tell all show. Appa party, right. You're not gonna hear any of the after party. That's why you're gonna make VIP. Patriots here right here live studio on sixteen right now. This one comes out of let's check barrier. Ray charles. I don't know what Ray Charles sense. I said theory took very too. That's why burst death. It's not three Barry's shook very Rachel twenty. Not sit rain van pumping tonight. You can Email me for van names. Okay. So each one of you favorite music icon, like each one of you, who's your favorite music weird. Al nice, good, easy, man. It depends on who. I'm listening to at the time top five Eric Clapton. John Mayer, my brother, Josh deland and currently Gary junior air test Mer, oh, that's play guitars that I can't look up to him because I can do everything else including Chuck Berry's duck. Walk and Little Richard spin around. I see. Room could do that too. Now play test. Mark Gary card say if I'm picking icon. I'm going with Bonnie Raitt. Yeah. Actually, my mom. I didn't know who the first person to compare to Bonnie Raitt was I don't know if I want to ask that question gamut. Well, I screwed up. I was like I don't even know who that is the type of not even gonna try right now. But what I'm not doing it right now. Favor. One. The last one is the most shocking art like what artists you listen to that would shock most of your fans or anybody watching tonight. Based based on my music. I don't know that people would take me for a system of a down fan. True. That's. Then that's like, oh my God. Twelve year old in me like like, I'll get about it every time, and I watched the video. So like, I don't care. I am gonna see blooms in that one. Every time I wake up I gotta grab a brush and put a little makeup. Two. I like it. But I do I've also seen them live twice like, no. Yeah. If you are fan hanging. Hanging. This guy. We'll try and put on the radio in the band. Venom. Like, nope. Rhythms the drums like, no, I don't play drums. Goes. Got a lot of fire. I'm gonna listen to system down the back. So I think our audience knows it wouldn't be surprised. But you guys might be surprised. I grew up on the beach, boys. So guilty pleasure is like all kinds of beach, boys. I'm talking like reclusive beach boy stuff like Salt Lake City. I won't finish because a copyright. Say says coming soon. Nice cool. All right. Those harmonies CU l intoxicating it's not like they're choice to my dad, dad. Massive pens. I be eclectic. Death or just like Reno Farah saying tracker could. She'd be a drummer see I was I can't imagine that anything would. Prize? Okay. Yeah. Listens to Britney Spears. That lawyer. I. Now, you can't dance to it. Like, I don't care listen to her because I think she's like the Susan Boyle of hot chicks, like she's just she's just being and I know she's not Italian. And she has pretty music video kids sing and she's auto tune. She's a robot. All right. Let's Britney bash. But hey, the second it's the second time that britney's come up on the show though as kind of a guilty. But he goes, I did learn very circus. That with. Fun to be honest. My wife sing Britney Spears to meet that'd be hot. But Britney Spears singing. It's just not. It's. So I don't know if you ever get your politics, but people are writing in for you to run for office. So so for James SeaLand Johnny Austin twenty twenty from from our fan. That's what's written here. I would. I can legally vote. Oh, we do. There's nice surprise. So Jay Phelan says, hey, happy birthday, boy, Johnny hope you had a grand day yesterday. Two years young yesterday. Lunch now. Yeah, you're you're lunches me or stacking up. It's a great feeling great. And actually when I booked shows like cool, it's gonna be rash of my birth. Yeah. This is great about you day. Happy birthday, Johnny. Lovin? Playing what? Culinary drugs now, right? We remind them earlier. It was like, I don't know. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I said in the Larmer wake up, and I'm a venue like the monster truck rally was really confusing. This orienting. Takeaway, Joe is that he sleeps a lot because it you guys have Friday culinary dropout. And then where he played for that following Saturday. We're at cafe Mueller for Saturday place. Okay. So yes, definitely check on Staelens here in Austin coming through town. Check them out. You guys have a tour plan or you goes, no touring. We did two nights all the way out to us. Tucson, arizona. Stop talking to killer Vinnie called the garage, Tucson dropout and came back. And we realized oh, we're not very good at this. Hard sweeping in its. In a week. We fought a lot. You know what I'm saying? Like, you said we politely. I didn't want throw gave the wink. See for yourself. I don't know. She'd never farts lazy gentlemen, we're going to figure it out. We'll hit the road as soon as the well, we wanna know we want to know who far it's on new TV back bodily functions into this politics to we are. We are going to take these two out to our new rock and roll rig. I'm gonna hear the story real quick. I know we're way oversaw. Thanks for hanging in there. Folks. It's what we do. But, but this is great story though, because we were talking for the show got started asking about this awesome rig. They pulled up in out front, and and I still think that Joey shoe is missing from the story, by the way. So. Shoots is. So you gotta you gotta tell this story. How how they got this awesome. Like RV out front. How did you guys get this RV? And then how Joe shoe go missing? That's what I want to. Well, it starts back. And we had a minivan as our band van Joe would just sleep across the back bench, and he looked terribly uncomfortable. And so we're like we got upgrades. We upgraded to a ten twenty year old ram RV and it worked for about a year, and it didn't have a generator. So we'd be like on the Gulf Plana gate using backstage and be melting inside it we gotta get a generator that has ACC of this can be the backstage with a C. So then we started saving up shopping. We found this one. After about six months, we will deal and bought it a beautiful three year old twenty fourteen winnebago Trovato sleeper van the bathroom kitchen a wardrobe a fridge for after show digger you can put it on. There. Doesn't stink up the whole van great. Yeah. So we've got it. Go to Katy Texas. Sign contracts. They tell us it's not ready, but we can take it. Anyway, we're like, no, we'll wait until it's ready. Try back to Austin. It's ready Thursday go out there because Friday hurricane Harvey's landing on the goal. Let's. Two days. Yeah. Let's go ahead and get it before drowns out there pick it up and advert driving back. You can literally see the rainbow circle of hiring incoming. I could see it. And I was like we're racing back to Austin Etta this hurricane and we did we beat it back put in the carport. The rain started what we get ten inches. React ear not fifty day. Got we got seventy mile an hour winds, but we did play Saturday night in that rig. Wow. In the tropical storm Harvey Austin. Yeah. With the triumph art and the barbeque, it's got an honest, and we put the awning out. And I'm like, I'm sure that's gonna tear off. I got insurance. Yeah. Do it with the awning work like in out of it wasn't raining on us leveled up today. All we're a legit rock and roll rock bus. You're playing like it's like Armageddon is coming and you guys are out there. I can picture a play. That's trees are falling in the neighborhood. It was a pretty great weekend. I'm glad you survived. I'm sorry. Johnny. We just lost his shoe. It was Johnny twenty twenty. Yes. That's right. Yeah. And next week is Becky Joe's finals show for the season with us. So we're really saying we're gonna make you an honorary member of the Staelens. And here's why. Everyone in the band is that the Johnny Suzy, Joey Becky, that's Chrissy, Chrissy, Chrissy. Becky everybody wanna be the band enough. Right. Hashtag, chrissy. He's the brakes. Tin. 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Natsuzake is Summer Sake

Sake On Air

55:12 min | 5 months ago

Natsuzake is Summer Sake

"The The people actually brought me. Back in one, thousand, nine, hundred places actually. The main drag the first it was Tom. Sawyer missile to the point where actually chanting. Eighteen. Suck as beverage for older true is three and. Thanks for tuning in one of their episode of Suck, you on the world's first and only podcast dedicated to exploring and expanding the dialogue around Japan's ICONIC BEVERAGES SACCHI I'm show chew. and. Our MAURY. Today. We are doing things virtually by zoom. My name is Chris Shoes on I am joined today. By some of your regular hosts here on the show I have with me bereaved I got up. Chris and high socket world out there how you surviving this this period indoors and fairing pretty well, given all the uncertainty and I've actually gotten quite used to being a homebody which might not be a good thing wants to lockdown as leftist. But Hey, so far. So good being enjoying a lot of second home in. That actually, it's not too bad. have to we have the new normal to look forward to after all this. And I'm also joined by Rebecca Wilson Lie Hi. Rebecca hiding. High Crib. Piper run. Thanks. For letting me on your panel, the Christian, the HOTI. will go and clean awhile since avation. Loosen the brakes. Event? Down the rabbit hole of seconds session. Well, that's what we're GONNA. Do Today we will be exploring. Da Da. Not, Sasaki. Is the Japanese word for summer. So we are, of course talking about some a second. So what what are your? Memories or experiences of Zaki. Again I guess life experience of nuts executive with probably. actually echo only and thinking, and those said since maybe two, thousand, eight, two, thousand, nine, it was still a little bit of a hot. Zach addict nation that he basically had to know your sex for Murphy, you get kicked out the door comes i. that was the feeling that it wasn't a reality that I'm an echo only was one of the few set. Is it glad that specialized in nuts? Or. unpasteurized sucking because they had like minus zero degree bridge disloyalty soccer and so I would idea just to cadet was my classroom pretty much is Christ in the classroom said I mean but the danger that the manager Soup Mate Selma second coaching kind of remember what was that he explained to me that it was a seasonal second and it was not remember what it was. It was Muslin Ohana. From Akita. That he suggested. Doing on the rocks is a nice day to cool down some. So and for me it was it wasn't. I'm not a big drinker so it was a really. Great Way to enjoy my favorite beverage in the slatting more fishing style. So that was my first introduction, but I'm kind of curious to hear what everyone else bought the cherries. What about you? I don't have a single nets rocket that kind of initiated me in the game on like Rebecca did. Bud I've always kind of. Never see with like I've never really been able to put a finger on exactly what? What makes suck in Zach a part of it apart from it being released in time for the summer you know is I'm sure some of our listeners abroad are starting to get familiar with the term. Some may even have done a bit of research and looked into it. What really is a net second? I think that's a good place for discussion due to take off tonight and some say like a marketing thing say, no no, there is a certain qualities in requirements to be in the. Group and I think there's truth to both sides of the argument were both like different. Schools, of thought I guess. That's a big big point. I think psyche almost has a cycle. So you produce kind of new sake in the winter spring and then he goes through the cycle it starts off really kind of young and immature and SORTA. Gradually, it develops throughout the year some psyche goes into storage and they sort of well not aged. They're not only China agent but kind of you know they might. Sort of mature between for the Spring and the autumn for example, in the autumn is considered to be the season where second comes full cycle. And the one season. That's always been missing from this cycle. Really is the summer because essentially the thing that makes Sacchi seasonal is the production process right Essentially, it's how the production changes throughout the year. Whether that's how they stole the secular you know pasteurized versus not pasteurizing. And like I, said, if we look at that cycle. The summer is definitely missing and so I suppose we have to look a little bit out the history. Off Not Suzuki yes. Because we saying this that. Traditionally. Trip yeah and for example, when I was each Shuzo. Young Son. Kind of blew. My mind says he was expanding come Duckie and so why? Why bother clothing? Is the winter the winter here or when winter production right window production say kinds of what was the point of Calling. Conduct. When obviously my second was produced in a coma for the years, they will not it was zero production fact. Consecrating was unusual because most Zaki happened from May until I think September, that was the main of what that summa. What are you talking about? The that that was that was kind of logical because. Really have a stain table rice would be used immediately for making. Okay. So The cycle of second was directly connected to Hamas. Hundred percent correct and in the motomachi period, they had two seasons for bring second they actually two separate seasons they had sake they called it not Zach. And they had shogun Sasaki and they would brew not sexy starting from February releasing in May and June and they would start bring show got Sekkei New Year second around September releasing in the New Year. So. Of course, things changing the ETO periods when there are various reasons that we won't go into too much in this podcast but there are various theories reasons why brewery started brewing only in the winter, but that's what happened and ever since the Eto period basically that's what breweries have been doing. So the summer season is that downtime right? That's when the brewery brews who've spent all winter brewing together in the brewery cooped up in the jury, get to go back to their families and spend some time with the families traditionally I should say because pops that's not the case much now. So that's one main reason I think why not Zach disappeared and another good reason I mean. I. Think is storage right? people didn't have refrigerators more importantly the breeze until very recently didn't have refrigerated storage, right? I can personally attest about limited refrigeration. This has actually been an issue for me as of late because with the whole Kobe situation here as well in Tokyo we have been instructed to limit our numbers of taps we go out for grocery shopping, for example. So naturally, we make fewer trips to the store and we just. Load up on our basic essentials and and whatnot, and that has taken up a lot of space in my fridge that would have otherwise been allocated for my dear bullet. Suck it. So that's because I can't. We'll. I personally don't want to lead my psyche just sit out in room temperature. So what have opted to do since about two months ago is to buy more showed you 'cause showed you can sit in room temperature no problem. So a little bit of I. Guess a Little Confession to make for beloved second drinkers out there. If you want to keep the Namiki in the same state. You bought it. You really have to have it around minus five degrees otherwise start to develop something called. Nama Heaney. Can, which is you know? I personally don't mind it but it's like you know. It's not what the poor intended when they sold you that. And that sets a really good point. Because a lot of people left the idea of Zaki, which is unpasteurised. Okay. Because it's often miss and Jupiter as fresh sucking that if you smell. Noises on some of those I sack evident going like fifteen degree rape. Fifteen. Degrees Dragon tennis around the world. By the time you get them out of stray and the craftsmanship and the expression that the team did has completely gone all. You've got site this cinderblock letter Roma which is which is. I I ninety enjoy some number. He Nathan Reckitt mainly from. Locally Guidance. But but. That's that's the style of that. The burgo slow the guy for that rustic country. So they're all valid reasons why storage a different kind of production. Routine. All those are very good reasons why not as Kinda disappeared from the lineup and so I I did kind of an interview with the sake brewer for this. Episode with Tucker from Yamaguchi Prefecture, they make her wonderful sake with quite medium hard water. I asked Toco Nakayama time. He'll why he thought maybe not Zeca disappeared from a lineup and he said well, my previous generation, the system, the TOJI system that was in place could they used to have these Toji? It was there wasn't really any freedom there to challenge new styles of secular to experiment ought to produce anything different for particular season. They just produce the same thing throughout the year and was all about stability and quality and consistency, and if you even try to ask you. To make you something different like this summer. Could you possibly make us like You know something that would match the season two they just say no, basically it was. Also the told you contract. So they were they were on a fits conscious Ezzeddine contract. So let's say say finish the last veteran Padeshah they was gone and I think the freedom is definitely a key here but also you've got to think that the consumer demand. Would have been very different as well back in that generation stay right I. Mean we are in a bit of something. Rebecca often calls a secure in essence and I definitely think that's true where the consumer is demanding different styles you know Full breweries burris to innovate and create different flavors, and this is kind of. Where the current kind of boom started, I think from consumer demand. Well I see before the on, he had the the. I thought well I need it you'd be amazing job of. Ching this topic and looking into finding a lot of seeking resources. So I thought well. In I might do something a bit unusual and that she wanted people that don't make messes. Becky. And ask them. Why and. So I contacted my friend I said to. And I asked him about this. And he said that it was something that was very much in marketing thing was method that were. Suggested Promotion Marketing Opportunity to create revenues and to fill a void in the not in the market and I think what was the vet graph to that and he said, well, the originated as well. He said he wants the day linked to a stage. Of Japan's Association. Oh Canoga, it's the company Orchestra them the May Mon Shoe Chi. You may have met them. You may have run into them across the world they travel all the time. What was there? Say That I'm not used to say Bush on destroyed. The English for. Stage Soccer Association, and so he said that at an event diaper price Odia for based because the siege says it should have has very much sort of a the PR mocking it's it's it's a connector, it connects brewers to information from the MAC and the way. It goes as much research to inform burs about how to develop lineup to suggest ideas on how they could branch and Salvi Second and it. The. Agency is not believe it makes complete sense that they would be the ones to do that because they're the ones who came up with the ASA decision as she boarded the the pressing on the first day of spring right if I. Buy Here she. So because he had all she can handle says that become something that was not it isn't what it is today I think he had all she is a little bit like the Bourgeois New Japan deputy sake that me that has been created to be hyped up, and that was the stage sack association creating that real big media push on Seattle Shane's able to. Be here coming. So this this is driven from a he no longer makes that's Zach and so. It's interesting to get another state to from someone who's enough. Then who isn't currently making this second night I did say, why did you decide not to continue making us such as bird? Any vote? May It was? It was just marketing and he was gonNA do something. debris direction, and that then people who were developing UH to release it in. May. Let when it still sprang and so that kind of thing was defeating the purpose of now this isn't just marketing now this is. But him it felt like it was a they can make a say that's just faith that from the other side of the things. Like you so much for asking eight a sake in particular are muscle. Fantastic. So I asked Tucker y you know and I thought maybe he wouldn't know he wouldn't be willing to tell me I wouldn't get anything from his interview so ever and I was quite surprised So he one of his kind of big one of the big stores that He. Deals with the law is Gino much in mackinaw in Tokyo I don't know this story well, I have to be honest. So anyway, the story is that back in two thousand six. Show Chew. was experiencing something of a boom. This was short lived, but it was quite a big thing here in Japan and in the summer. Everyone was drinking show to not second and there were drinking showed you on the rocks. And they stole basically approached the fifty brewers. The fifty main brewers that they deal with and said is if you don't do something suck as the sales associate gonNA plummet in this in the summer and perhaps afterwards swell so and gotten together and kind of. Did this kind of not Zaki promotion or I don't know if they called Zaki to begin with I did call up the store. They were very reluctant to agree to to admit this claim they don't really feel that they were the first ones to come up with that second. They don't think it's a claim they should be making. What we call today not Zach Gay. Probably took shape came about in several different places by several different producers and or industry entities about same time, which sort of evolved over the next the over the course of the several next several years to what we call today as nuts as. You know I agree with you in a sense that probably label didn't really probably didn't come about at first maybe not after. Not after Motomachi period and their their their production of nuts is again. but in any case I do think it's It's kind of given birth or give him Bamenda time new. move minute attitude and a landscape for different brewers to try. New New style. Oh. Absolutely. The question is, what is not Zakia about and so The. The kind of demand from the consumer was. First of all, you know in the summer here and Japan, and we've already kind of alluded to the fact that it's very uncomfortable season. And you tend to lose your appetite for food in particular in this season, people eat less. So the demand was basically for something that is lighter. More. Refreshing and something that you can enjoy without food that that was the key requirement. And? As you said, I think like the the coolest thing about not Zaki is because there is no definition that everyone is agreed on. The is a free to interpret this. However, they like so they have so much freedom. To just go crazy and make all these these different styles. So, without further ADO. What constitutes not say what type of styles other out there. Well. It's not just the fully we Davis to skip that because Augusta the. Thing I just have a comment from the BRA was that He said that there wasn't a set row about an to the deficit. Each Japan's Association Crop Rinse. The WASN'T A. Robot. He was sick time of year that you were supposed to to bury And I need to get more details from I DIDN'T WANNA keep them too long with massive. Christians. About something. He doesn't make anymore but he did say that much I. Was Not I he he said that it was the prestigious position Japan and then Sachar onto it. Now I think that we can all agree that in Japan and. With socket because it is such, a small market s struggles every year you to lifted heated buffet of out precipice that when someone produces Burma or brewery produces something a student style of Sakyamuni paint on something and at successful next year everyone Scotland to. That's a sank in two, thousand, eight lunch. There are massive by speaks L., Y. style. Tint to use IDA. Abraham was studying to make that kind of Sake You burs like messages, e Stolac Motto, which was a little bit more drying Chris and now almost every has now a chemo does style I think possibly what happened is that a very Japanese at sack world's phenomenon of someone put secretive of the you know. The Pussy Hats Kita makes a bit of a challenge gets a little bit of buzz from it and Iran ask his yeah. That's a great idea to run Johnson it doesn't get the ultimate. Calling good because it. Okay. Yeah. Exactly and Hey, Gordon because the some season. Is the lowest sales season for Sake so It's a great kind of explanation about how the world the second world works here in Japan and I completely agree with you because you seeing this now actually with all these brewers that have started youtube and it only took one of them, and now they're all doing it I'm seeing a new youtube brew, which is Great. You know it's great because one thing that the Bruce Sake brewery bring industry lacks heavily is marketing they spend all their work on the production and not much work on marketing and I think not Zach. Provides this marketing hook that they lack in the summer because they sales really drop in the summer You know the worst season for brewers to try and sell psyche and it feels obvious to me is why did it take this long? But at the same time they go do WANNA throwing. So forgot to mention earlier that Tucker did say the previous generation were making. Something Camacho's Oh, which is one of the types of not Zaki that exists today essentially. unpasteurized. Seki. From the spring that you age and its own prostate until the summer. However, he made this very clear. His previous generation were not calling this not Zaki. So that's that's a recent development and it is I always regard the true not Zaki as being this Nama chose Oh just within the cycle just within the seasonal cycle. 'cause it's kind of like the thing that connects between the spring and the autumn but there are now so many different styles out that you can enjoy that role labeled as not. Zaki So maybe we should go through and see which ones we all kind of rather me just list them all. If we miss any of my list. I can always fill them in later on so. What what what do you regard is not Zaki? What do what's your kind of you know? Go to finance Zaki what styles have you come across? I think there's generally two types of nets is. Like one is like you mentioned earlier late. Late Is it a drink perhaps low low proof? Low proof sake. and then perhaps even sparkling as well or like a little bit busy. we all like a little bit of something refreshing into several times especially here the Japanese climate and I think on the opposite end of things is something that like Rebecca wounded earlier something that super? Bowl strong and that can withstand of ice. or just being chilled really really extreme. I think not as he's a great season for like getting into second because there's a lot of styles that come out quite easy drinking quite approachable I think sparkling psyches a massive one in the summer because yeah, it's an obvious one in the wine. Will I mean what you drink in summit? You drink sparkling wine, right? Most of the time it's a very outdoorsy drink For example, Tuck makes a sparkling sake based on a a patil on. Wine from the Alsace region because he visited Al Sas and fell in love with that style and but he was saying actually somebody I, found quite interesting. People. Probably think of like something sparkling wine is quite easy to make to an extent, right? It seems to be a bit more of a challenge with sucky because these way to make sparkling Seki is really just to stop the fermentation like very early but the problem is you left off with a lot of sugar. is no problem in the wine will but in the sake will because the yeast is still in the in the bottle when you do the secondary fermentation and it's still very active because you haven't really worn out in the fomentation. You do get tendency for it to create a lot of off flavors and aromas which comes from a sort of I settled aldehydes, which is created by proving acid and is quite technical geeky, but getting not balanced right so that the yeast is. So. So what Tackett does is actually they they length in the feminization out, they do the opposite of what you think. They would do they cooled the temperature and the length in out to wear out the yeast so that when they bottle it, it doesn't go crazy and start creating this subtle aldehydes and then they just add more yeast and ingredients in later on to create the the secondary fermentation in the bottle, we are going to have do into the podcast and sparking Sacchi sparkling psychiatric is a great one and really I. Like it in the summer I'm not a ponant of it outside the summa in the summer I'll I'll make an exception. Well definitely in terms of the genre styles within the The the Family staffing second is a new category, and if if we're talking about clear, told me a slightly which is a certain amount of compensation which meant book which sustains itself. After opening because a lot of as you say, a lot of stuff and of love Shoulda and that does not mean it's off to a very vigorous covenant cover this woman, and so it will be bubbly and stop the out of the bottle when you at the owns sunny probably type by the time you've finished drinking it being flat flat at the moment the glass. So what is really interesting is seeing this genre been proven and chiefly developing NCAA Additions at the Alamo by which is stock LANSAC association that. Ripe Above Association, which is really trying to improve the technology and Shia Knowledge Wilbur is. To create Mush more as you the state bubbly sake and that's a great into enjoyed her some united if you if you at Tina's of you know pop five. Have that with use reason, cream mother than that above the Shimpei. Idea the half. Oh, shoot the spot thing varietals. Definitely the way stat. Any some the celebration but another really nice Another style which I really enjoy, which is often related in that second is getting Joshu. Thanks very much living in this of the Jinmei off A lot of the lot of Rosa choosing not to create CO edited second. the second back from Joe Zone Uganda which in my baggage. Sorry which are beautifully crafted didn't craft. At Kia, that we used to the Saka and I really love as Nice Chew Kinjo there's one that's made by brewery and a he may. Each G, which is a lovely nuts. That's crystalline and Clean A. Got, NASA Battle of it some Lisa G that you have from the T. humidity in Japan having that Sacchi. Just it's almost like a shot of like Aston. Amazing. Yeah I WANNA a show. We'd not about on it and then whenever I'm walking around Japan and I'm a bit kind of you know if I go into a shop and I'm not attention or whatever you know what's happening here I'm not about again that's about to very easily. The whole point is that anything can be not Zaki I mean like the definition is so open I I'm pretty sure we're going to see new styles at Zakia in the future I am. Really do think that in the next few years we're going to see not Sukey Joe. Shoe. especially given the current circumstances because it's a great way to use up. And Okay Kiyo shoe doesn't necessarily make you think of the some it's quite sticky and sweet. I'm but now they're are breweries that are making these styles of Keijo. Josue that have much more acidity and there is a sparkling jokes you out there isn't a by sheepskin in and I think they could easily make so much style if they want to. Think about it people have Lacunas, all the rocks in some let you may shoe, which is very loosely quite solid happen on the rocks to make. Passable and drinkable and refreshing, and so something like a he joe, he shoot what she's a low vigil Shiva efforts being brewed with maybe multiple methods us off is. pence you city the that slate Selah. Say Go us of the rocks. The thing that I think is a problem second that you really do need. If you want to make a not Zaki is acidity and that's something that second lacks has a much lower city than wine. But there are many different ways that you can add acidity to second. Of course, muscle came it would be the most ingenious which is to use white coachee. So we have White Koji Seki which thanks to our master a now, pretty much a staple in the summer menu. A lot of breweries are actually using White Koji now. So for those listeners. To Mrs new information. There are three types of while they're more actually but there are three main types of coaching mold, essentially a yellow, a white and a black one yellow on his used mainly to make. The white one is more show chew but in recent years, the must muster started to use White Koji and why well because it creates lots of citric acid and that remains in the final product. So doing that is a great way to hype up the acidity on of course, acidity creates a more refreshing psychic, which is what it's all about. So Yeah, Definitely White Koji Second. Those actually on the shelves yet actually an effigy these assists silky, which is by automobile, which is fantastic and it's All and it's sweet sour. Wonderful like citrus skin like this Z and Saiga she's really nice. It is really not great for food pairing as well, and if we move onto another style, which is a bit harder to find but I think it's Kinda cool and listening to definitely hear about it is a slush second this really gimmick his matt. Oh I can tell you tape besides. Say. I've not had a chance to try it. Yeah. I've seen it. So this is This is a bit going off track because. I. My encounters with slushy second is necessarily a nuts game but nonetheless, a great story If you are Chris or any overall listeners you're in the area, we got the same story way have got the same Langa. Go Go, do do favor in go hit up a tiny little bar booty. Best night out a worst handover guaranteed. Best, worst nights of my life, what was it cool bus it could imagine coot is second with something like that. But Alexei met Dacuda sack because that would get you a one cup out of the out of the Freezer and which he likes Budget Gouda Zach and it'll be okay just a one cup any shake it and it would with flushing and I was like that's nice. But. But but. So one thing that I link after a couple of visits to this place drinking slushy sack was that. when a sack is frozen, the water is frozen the alcohol defrost fish. Sir Boy. Oh. Boy. Oh boy the top of the. Is Ole Alcohol Hash and it's like it's so chilled and it's like slightly sweet and Kinda boosy and in the whole presentation of you know the bomb, the the the bar bartender guess. Just going back into reaching into this little freezer grabbing these one cups, these of otherwise known as like a bullet size second in two states, and then just during this. Magical gesture with their hands like flipping it upside down so that the second has been stored just on the hustle freezing point somehow start to crystallize on become slushy and it's like the the most mesmerizing thing to watch when you're already half drunk. If not full on drunk because usually by myself, you know going to displace after I've had a dinner outside elsewhere. So usually you're you're pretty far up on your game by the time you you find yourself booed at ended they do this just and it's just so captivating. Guest is the gesture is about shocking because I? Believe even the slightest shock knocks it into. Change the crystallization pattern they freeze it just on the cusp of it like not into a a frozen state but actually being frozen. So, essentially, just by shocking. You turn it into this slush the actually this this this can be better. Diet because today was business live by. Dyer and the Little Wild cups at your be. style we'll conveniences album cups that does Jochen Juma shoe the from the. Guard all sorts of great breweries like that. I didn't not that Bruin is that this has become educators okay but. It was fun. I mean, that's I need right now is new so I need I need slush sucky. I found a really cool sake which I bet is off everyone's list and that's Masaaki. Now Bear with me here apparently in the in the ETO period, it's it was so much psyche and if you if you're writing a Haiku Asaki related Haiku amazake is actually a Kiko a seasonal word that you can use to make your Haiku summary. I was on a gang of a game show and I had this this wasted wing and come back and thankfully some reason I remember that information about some say I mean I cooled. My criers my gatorade when you have nuts about today's. To teach will about what? About it is that some Aletha Jason. Theory real thing here in Japan. And so. Wait way you lose a lot of salts I'm from sweating and you're not really getting very hungry because it's hot having an albuquerque which is full of great and let casted and lots of the Nina Acids and full of putting glucose and some notes shows that have celts and other things. Yes it's. It's such an amazing energy. Some psyche as an energy booster. That's another of purpose of it. Isn't it? breeze may kind of higher protein style second less polishing on the rise and stuff. That's another style which I've seen is becoming quite popular. They do actually appetizers energy drinks as well, which is quite funny. And also when I mean when when my friends is sick, often all no one of my friends in the offices sick because you'll have a little a little. The really small little containers of that humid days. What it needs sick is that there must be in the. So they call I mean it's not technically psyche I. Mean it's it's got a bit of alcohol and right I'm going to make. It might have you know have varying degrees of alcohol. The obvious way to make just from Koji, of course But like one one, very popular way to cure a hangover here in Japan is just basically drink sake they call it McKay Zaki basically. So it's kind of to face second with more psyche. Basil to tariff the dog quite true. Yeah. Quite right. Yeah. So what we've covered a lot of different styles of socks when really start digging deep, you realize how many different? Variations there are. Let's make a shout out to second, which I think is available in quite a huge issue. we've probably talking about since second, which isn't as semi seconds, Becky, which is and maybe. Obviously but. Perhaps I think in in Europe Fistula and maybe even with America, you could possibly if you go the goods Shop area or you can be into a great second supply online You could let the able to find a time Obama's icebreaker. which is buried by an algae bridge for the Papa and as a fantastic one of these high octane. Oklaho- varietals which is designed to be enjoyed as the name suggests on the is that I think is also available at three, hundred, sixty five miles goes as well as twenty as low as the. Was it maybe yes maybe. In the in the in the. Lita As well, and that's a and also coastal Nathan because you're having nice that does seem to parliament. Should deeply. Way. Like a icebreakers a fun dusty exemplify think that's probably the first not exactly. I came across and didn't realize it was not Zaki like telling me afterwards that's that second. You realize that you can get all year round. Okay. So It's every because I did seem Anna's and every year did this season Sethi Santana and I did it in some US said that we could have this effect which more difficult to get then Deva rattles Lee rent and every year context the thin may and say, can you please you know say a couple of buckets ridiculous sold out it's very, very limited production on so but I do know that some of it is some of it is exclude then you probably Has Disease in Japan. Is that such a cult following you bring in overseas and that's really good place to start talking about another fantastic merit of nuts sake is potential by TACO said to me he said, you know one of the great things about not that I really want to walk Moron in the future is it allows us to localize this this. He he sees it as a great way to promote more sexy overseas. However the big. Barrier to this strategy is, of course, proper storage. So I was wondering Rebecca if you could maybe tell us about this amazing storage idea that your company is currently working. Well Say I think Japan Cross Company and my presidents is four but fisherfolk fascination. And he neca. had. Long being wondering about how to improve. SORTA Sake to ensure that that should of the in consumer our able to enjoy and. Not, only functional commission but than this would be sufficient brew intended for it and. Traveling around the world and Zafy love he is drinking. In various countries and was appalled. By the condition that you know because the second that isn't handled while fortunately as not. Is it's had to forget that and put she people won't be thinking all that he wasn't store arrived. They'll be thinking this doesn't make good sake. Right and in order to. Solve that problem of the Cosima not nine with a choke patiently will favor possessive tastes like he wants to create some sort solutions and so he looked insulin specially. As. You know the world classiest spent so much money and seventy. Companies. District is Rather Road Satan enormous medicine is properly sorry. The Y. Y.'s is that there's list you diligence done on Saturday and so. He got together a group of some prominent Bruins, as well as winemakers. From France and top chef and make us. and consulted with them on the base leg to create a storage system. Would unit that was small enough to have in house that was large enough. For maybe a small response because as you know Japan Richard the, preschool that I don't have space for. A fridge justice. So it needs to be something selling it, which is going to be less style freely just. Four. Sima were definitely sells Melissa which allows for premium one and second to would sepah side. So expected. With Agius to develop A two chambered system. So when chamber is Pushing system and could be sort of premium one temperature. Falls just team degrees with naked just the humidity's as well and the second side can be slipped from plus weekday two months live. So mine slide is ideal for launching storage celery necessarily numbers. as maybe two degrees or something that is what pasteurized Zero degrees for something that you've slow to keep in a in a holding pattern to into drinking next month. And the if you wanted to accelerate h something on pufus. Dubbed Home Take it at your desk is not as amber and is, but if you want to slow something for you know. you could sort up to tweet degree if you wanted to but the. is to maintain the environment for savvy to. the enjoyed in its. Condition. So that was the fish prototype is developed. I. Think in two thousand fifteen and then it took a while to it was massive and it seats move. and now in last year, it was finally launched by second over Society Selah and it's is it bringing product but it's it's. A very, very high quality for that. So if you love him second annual why he could enjoy. Take. Your of your precious cels. And you're your. Lister. The I will never forget the first time tasted second sake brewery. Like from the tank from the press and nothing I've tasted in about Holson says be beat and whether it's just you know that's the way it goes. You know there's just no way right now the bottle that that. That beauty science doesn't allow for it but. My first taste of. Masaaki that had been stored properly shipped properly. Yeah. It's quite something. That, we should also tell people about the negative side. So we're talking about now heinous. So what does? How do you know that you drinking a Nets Zach or noma? Zach is gone off gone of peak and I, stay. Up in June many. Transitions in June and I. was. Like. To tweet fee twelve, thirteen fourteen I'm loved when he and I was searching for because I found it really interesting, Kelly Why? Well I still do actually that what I loved about it was almost. Like when is that? It's really bad. But when it's on the edge, it can almost be let cabinet. and. It does smell a little bit lack cabinet. Scott got this. Nestea. kind of mousy kind of aroma, which is a little bit lack of fear mind and honestly when you get one of those is right on the of going really deep Dafna Makina or or off unpasteurized Sake it can be quite interesting. So that was my holy grail to try to. There's not on the edge but I think it's you talk about what he smells out to other people because that's my position. So that people idea of if. It may be visit pass Sakata's gone off peak and it's not the brewer. It's possible. The conditions of that's accu thin. Was, what isn't it he to you? It's kind of. I mean has so many different forms for me actually but. The one which I'm not so fond of is probably that kind of. milk that's kind of gone off TYP- Aroma Not just musty but kind of like something lactic is going wrong like, yeah. Like milk this golf or vegetables pickles or something like that. But not like not like nice pickles vegetables and of like you know almost rotting vegetables pickles I have to say I rarely do come across really seriously bad nominee. After my second but That's what I would classify. That kind of it's a very musty Musky kind of smell but Yeah. When it gets really bad, it's actually ends name actually must from Wick Easter taste me about this my love of base off the not and described the Nazis. May She described it as a big role in the end drains or vacant enger am. Bacon you got a lot of bacon and I do like the Bacon. But then for me when it when it's Bacon, it's crossed into Nama Juku territory, which is kind of like this aged Nama which is a little bit different the worst type of Zaki for me is when it's also and I've only ever smelled this once. But when it's also gone, he's not as well. So it's kind of like It's you know it's got a soul. I saw aggie kind of smell as well which I really con- yeah. A. Good enough. Okay. And he suspect as not in great condition and you I've as I, really suggest that you see tension at the staff and just say, Hey, you know I'm not sure especially, you should make sure the you don't think off but united suggest to them I think that the second might not be as optimal condition and I think that you should be I think as a consumer you should be very much in your rights to have another bottle opened at. The problem continues in the second Ampato. Then it's obviously a a storage issue on the hill and not a bottle issue but again I would bring it to your kitchen at the staff because sent. Then not quite sure i. think we've got everything he can to try and gave consumers as much information much. I support and ideas on how to get their second possible and I would say to the staff for any kind of restaurants I thinking about. Stalking nuts, executive I would say you need to do your homework a little bit. You need to be able to explain to the consumer in that situation. If you can convince the consumer does the reason why it smells like that right and and you've got knowledge and you're clearly passing on the you know the knowledge you've got from the borough I don't think there's a problem I don't feel POPs in each open new ball in that case, if you do a good enough job of. Explaining why it like that but Yeah. That's the only thing about necessarily perhaps it does depend on what type of not Zaccheus talking of course because if it's a sake that on purpose is like May to smell a bit kind of quirky, then you need to be able to explain why that is the case for example White Coachie may be, for example, you do get a lot of these slightly more unusual aromas that someone who's a season second drink might turn the nose of. Things like let line ends chalk and thus kinds of aromas that you get on. Officio Call G.. But this woman should across you masonry would making a drink right now and Mega should've Gaudy one thing I would give us an. Idea came from. TACO. he said probably like not Zakim you back in the day would have been a bit like Sacchi back in the day even would have been a bit like Korean McCoy. He thinks and one other summer style. Now, this is a wild card because he's not technically sack eight. But I have seen this book. So it's not sake. Okay. Let's get that out there I, it's not filtered. So it's not sexy. What's not pressed so it calm because we'll say she when he hunt you but I wanna wrap-up actually by talking about just very briefly I? got a bit of insight about the current situation with regards to You know the virus which we will not name. and how that's affected some sexy sales, not Zaki sales this year so Tucker, for example, they released the signature. So Not Seki, which is sparkling psyche based on the Pentagon styles analysis. They complete that at the end of May. And it goes on sale in June, they really struggled in June. But. As of now, they have completely sold out. And Gino Macchia told me that to they're struggling a little bit seventy percent compared simpson sales or not Zaki compared to last year. So He's down by thirty percents. and the biggest problem they're saying that you just don't have that interaction. With the end consumer, which is kind of essential not Zaki. And with so many restaurants having closed temporarily or you know for good or just not doing the normal service, they just the brewers just don't have that interaction with the consumer and if you can't choose what she taste not. Is Very hard to sell it so but. actually, not Zach, he could be the key to helping the industry get through this because it's an easy one to enjoy home. And you can sell it online in twenty two sizes and right now, the thing that worries struggling the most to sell is one point, eight liter bottles because those are the ones that they sell to restaurants. And being able to compensate we seventy million bottles of the smaller sizes. Is Good. so I think that about wraps it up for our episode deep dive into not Zaki. And he lost thoughts while you just today now 'cause all his talk about. That I don't have enough in my fridge, I might have to shout with a mask on. But I think it'd be great to hear from know all our lessons out there Slough experiences that you wanNA share with everyone in the second year community to convey. Jobless Align Mecca. Calming. She you experiences and show of people be interested to hear about. Favorite. NASA second favorites. Inwards. She. Will do it for this episode of Sake on. Thank you so much Rebecca Marie it's been an absolute pleasure. And Please everyone take a moment to review and races on Apple podcasts or where the platform you may be enjoying the show on Feel any. COMMENTS TO QUESTIONS AT SAKE ON AIR DOT COM or you can find us at secular on instagram. Twitter and facebook. And you can listen to the show on Youtube as well or watch the show on Youtube as well. Most Cunard's coming your way in two weeks time until then thank you, Rebecca. Thank you Marie. Out there in the summer until next time.

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Alive or Dead

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Alive or Dead

"Welcome to the yo. Koji then mountain center podcast every month. We share at least one new talk on the practice of zen buddhism at c. m. c. dot org slash podcast. You can also find us on itunes spotify and all other podcast apps if you find these talks to be valuable. Please consider supporting yoko cheap by donating at emc dot org slash tony. We rely on your support to continue sharing this life-changing practice thank you. We hope you enjoy the talk. Everyone all doing well. That's good news about the vaccine coming out hopefully so today when you talk about a different case in the blue cliff record cold. I won't say so that further ado we'll talk about it so case. Fifty five of the blue cliff record this book. Secretively the record introduction secure stable total realities experienced on the entering. The flow to transform is undertaken directly. Cutting off confusion in a flash unapproachable when mounting a tigers head and taking the tiger by the tail. Leaving this aside for a moment. Is there any way to help people by letting out a pathway. The main caso. So example though zengin went to a home to make a condolence cool zanga hit the coffins said were dead. Dogo said alive won't say dead. I won't say either zang and said why won't you say dogo said i won't say i won't say as they returned to the whole way off way back zang in said masta. Tell me one soil hit you. Dogo dogo said hit. Neil you want. But i still won't say zangari than him. After after that dogo passed on zang went to seco- i related the the foregoing story. Seki 'to said alive by one say dead. I won't say either zengin said why won't you say -secutive said i won't say i will say that those words zanga n- had an insight one day zing and went to the teaching auditorium carrying a hope and cross back and forth east to west and west to east does said what are you doing. Zang said. I'm looking for the relics of our late teacher. Sexy 'to said enormous waves roll far wide foaming billowing floods the skies. What relics of the late teacher are you looking for. Said joe commented heavens. Heavens zengin said this is just what to were gone. Digestion fu said. The light teaches relics. Still that the verse robertson hoses have homes. Oxen's rams a homeless neria had area wisp massive as great mountains. The golden relics of still present now with foaming waves flooding the skies. Where can they be put. There is no place to put them. They've been lost even on the way back west with one shoes. I needs quite a bit of explanation but The the main thing about this case is Life and death you know which is the the focus of our practice. You know we come escape. That that's what we as human beings we live we die. Death occurs in life. why because in death This soda brings me back to when i i've witnessed people people dying. You know. I'm not trying to be more Present him what happens in life. I remember seeing my grandma when she was sort of put it in a wake style thing is people could come into the house and see her and didn't vote. Lima grandma or toll have is kind of plastic down on the side. She never looked like them in life. Found a very very perplexing as a kid. You know first person. I've ever seen in that in that way. Then we fast forward to when i was almost forty. If you know what else full of team. Almost to the day. I went to japan. Solo so mike zimmer roshii and he'd passed but he'd been sort of lyon in hot For about twelve hours so he looked kind can somewhat little flattened out. His face was wide. And i was looking and again. That doesn't that doesn't live my zoom euro. She you know. Obviously that's very objective thing is feeling specht to as very sad to say that and later you know just witnessing my mother die a bit. A bit lighter few years later and same the last breath then transformed from life today. What what do you say about that kind of thing in In this particular case is is interesting because you got zangari Who's a young guy. He's pretty is pretty vigorous and he wants to know. You know you got the the old teacher. Dogo who's potted this. This colin to and they go off to somebody's house this kind of rude what he's saying in student. He's knocking on the coffin. No i. I don't know if any of you would do this you know. Just wrap on rap on the coffin alive or dead in most anyone in notary circumstance. Dad now get get get real here you know. he's dead. Look out alive or dead is kind of interesting Dogo is great as we've basically we see through his life heels. I won't say i will say why. Why won't you say no really it's up to you. I mean how do you how do you take light alive and dad you know. Some people are confused by some people are not the important thing is. He's throwing that right back yet. A zanga but zang gone won't do the work for himself. No i'm not on that. Level is nice and the introduction. It goes secure stable total realities experienced on the spot. Yeah it is. It is what it is somebody lying. In the coffin somebody lining the cockpit alive or dead bus up to you to to decide entering the flow to transform. Things is undertaken directly now the flow of our lives. It goes on. Do we keep on threes in things. Do we stick with that and and reflect on it or do we go with the flow of it. Do we say directly as it is whether it's no problem and get on with our lives no matter what occurs do we just without. We owed key freeze in. Because we're trying to intellectually grasp it ultimately become intellectually grasp things things flow that taken. Care of just like a domino. Talk if i get stuck in what somebody saying. Lose the flow of the rest of it. A mayo Point but the rest of life is continuing In many cases rapidly. It seems that way unapproachable. When mounted tigers head taking tiger by the tail yeah. That's true it is. You know i mean obviously i don't i don't ever remember my life taken the tiger by a tale i saw sort of tiger tiger the living desert news very impressive. You know looked. That was a half inch. Glass him from the nfl. Which would be very difficult for that tiger to get through. But do you have that kind of courage terms of your own life again. These are the things that are coming up. You know when difficulty comes comes along and say you have to gravitate by the tail or a situation where you're being dragged around. Can you really enter into the you know the benefit of beings and again this is pointing to the main case is you have someone light dogo. Who's You know he he is gonna latte zang them do the work for himself because then if he does that work. He says he never will have to rely on the teacher. This is the beauty of him and then said the end Leaving this aside from Is is there a way to help people by letting out a pathway is that can we really help somebody else. you know. that's a question you know how much you help. How much don't you help but ultimately is there way to help. Each person has to realize it for themselves. I knew that when i was working with my zoom euro. She if if he gave me something always knew there was a cost so as much as possible. I tried not to take anything from him. You know and instill that that same thing occurs. How much do we wrote rely on other than directly relying on our own our own experience again on the momentary basis and adobo is is great. Here you know he's just like i won't say yeah. I could tell you. I could give you like people working on collins so the goal. Tell me an italian no. Why would i do that. I would rob you of something the way you could really grow as a human being no. I won't do doubtful you. People come to the essential wine. You do this. Why don't you do that and i go. No one of you do that. Because then then there is the learning of giving life to circumstances if you want to be a certain way and take that creative space and see and see what can come out of that. You know people say well. Why don't you do one month sessions us. What if you show we twenty people do that but if i laughed at one or two people during a one month session and i'm going to do the work for. I'm not going to be very happy. You know the thing is that creation it lies in each one of our hands in this way. Life and death is a hams. Can we really bring things to life. Can we bring our own practice or we wait for some income from the outside that way in that respect and i like that he's lazy is lazy through and through right to the cool. No you do it. Because he knows if he starts getting involved in gins process. It's really gonna racket so you know it goes home and he goes well. If you don't tell me you know having been in. That situation is that it doesn't really help hit you. You know either way. I mean if it would then maybe do it. I remember gimpo row. She got jumped jumped upon by a student and got an injury the lasting about about two years and his neck. You know gimpo didn't say he might have hidden back but he didn't. That thing goes on is that can you really take charge of your own practice for yourself over and over in this case case calling it does that and the thing is is the more than likely is that zanga probably have to leave the monastery that because a lot of people would have been very upset with him because again is in practice. Yet you can get excited about things but you also have to take responsibility for your actions in how people react. You know how people are gonna react to those things that quite often is not an easy task so a bit later you know dogo passes in. This question is still playing on. His mind is still working with that and again even though the cook even though that corpses past his guns been buried. The question is still going on a liable for each one of us. Reliable that you know. What does that mean. Some of us have a very Very clearly defined. But what happens when you go to sleep at night alive. Will you know it's a good question. What happens when you wake up alive or dead nuts level crazy question. Yeah commonsense wise. We know those things but when you really look at where did you come from when you when you consciousness arose alive or dead as consciousness continues and life and un to life threatening circumstances a libel dad. Awesome into to protect that. Is there a way of living in such a way that you can really be true to your own being a no that that basic non-existence the we have at the back of our own. Consciousness is functioning twenty four seven and is the source of all creativity. I'm already seen too much on that. But alive or dad and this is just again. This is like a you know it's like a hook in the is just got inside him and he just can't let it go. He has alive with that he. He told his seki so it was a great teacher in the renzo. By tradition and seki again he's lazy bomb won't say citing he tells the story. Say no. this is your thing you know. We say that all over from you know in our society. Now this is your thing that no getting involved in that kind of again. He's so kind is just like okay. Raise up your own strength mice muir. She could never answer question for me. No never got to add. Come from me. I remember the one that really grabbed me as a human being. I passed it three times past it. With tashin roshan than i passed with my zoom rochhi at had passed with gimpo But i didn't pass it for myself. And so i worked on it until that became real in my own life until it was passed by myself. It was the best thing that could have happened. Is that all the collins. None of those reach the point alive or dead and then that that real life that isn't hinted by fia really comes out. It's not the the reason fear. It's just fear doesn't get in the way that's just an energy of living. How'd you really harness in such a way that you take care of whatever's in front of you you know so then he goes on. These words. Zanga had an insight. So how how do we. How do we tell that he had an insight. What's inside the you. There's all kinds of insights you know the the cognitive a ha that fits and then this the does the insight. The the cuts through all of that and direct realities is right in front of us. I could be could be anything. It's like yoga and talks about in the hookah zanga or the opportunity offered by abana a fist shout mallet. Somebody thought that was a mullet at any of these things. The the the construct us you know at at any point not that we wait for those things to happen but something breaks through our constant comment on our own lives and then reality shows through directly. This is what he saw for himself. Zagging adapted time and of course. He's very pleased with himself at that point. So he walks across the zenda. With how you know you don't you don't bring a gop into into Into xango back and forth a little bit you know threatening. Having you know having evan ho there now that i remember that when when why you was presenting a call with a how and if he studied kissing since a month not that kinda whole this is a god the hell this used you know the tilling fulfilling the f. The god so anyway he goes from west waste seki so quite rightly as the head of the monastery says. What are you doing you know. What do you do any walking across that. There's something going on. here is as each one of his. I'm sure would recognize what that now. he could've flipped. Tau is always a chance that maybe he you know. He's he's only got one more in the water and he's getting flipped out on something or other is that they the chance that maybe if i ask him a question he'll tell me what's actually going on so zang in says. I'm looking for the relics of our late teacher. And looking at the relics of our lady teacher. So what is that. I mean we. We have a coupla bones of my zamira. She's and the and the found is room in or just sitting sitting there on the altar. We used to have them Buried his grave site but he flooded a few times no getting a little bit moldy so we we took them out and put them in the and the founders room so we have some relics that what. He's really looking for a usually looking for the relics in the christian tradition. You got relics. The that a held in churches become great tourist attractions for many people. In in the middle ages there was like huge interest in in the pilgrimage to see Saint michael's potala or somebody's finger. Those those the things in the hope that that would kill that. Somebody really believes it may be that could happen. But what are the relics. That The zang the zanga n- is is looking for once he really saying here. What are the what are the most important relics of Schalke buddha and all of the masters coming down. you don't need to have bone she don't need to have shrunken skulls. you don't need to have mummies that the. What are those relics. I look. I look back at my my time with my zoom euro. She and the point in my own transmission. When i saw the his life and my life not to things in past him was just in passing was a great. There's a great emotional feeling. You know i miss him. Miss him as a human being could respond until back. I can still talk with him but he doesn't answer book his life is is here. Is my life. The sun the moon the stars the clouds the mountain. All of those things. That the would there before i met him after. I met him all the way through his like my life and not to things the life of this tactic that we talk about in all schools of buddhism the one who's attained to thus snus each one of us is attained to thus nece. I think i mean. I can see you on the screen leased. We've attend to it. So that was the problem again is like is putting the mind to rest. How'd you put your mind to rest. Is relief sought out this question of of life and death. If it is that important to you nother should be but if it is then that will wake you up wake as my zumra should say his spine tolkien about awakening awakening from what you know. We say i'll dream or whatever dreams but you know basically we know where it is the confuses human beings. You don't need a practice that confusion. You can practice the realization of this like again. It says in the introduction secure stable total realities experienced on the spot. That's what we have. A problem is again. We look for something else Some meaning in the colds alive will dad. We try and put a label on it but whilst the experience the last breath is gone. Coupes is that this is this is live and at the same time you know. There's the wonder of living in south that encompasses all of all of these things known and unknown that are rising again on the momentary basis for us as beings and it goes on and maybe a little bit more interesting because then he's talking about well why is he realized in the question in. What's what's going on here. You will back and forward so. Tell me something about it he goes. I'm looking for the relics of late teacher and seki so says enormous waves roll far and wide foaming billows flood the skies. What relics of our late teacher you looking for. So what you know. People go there looking for the relics of Of of all lay teacher look relics of my zoom yoshi. I can point to the five founders. Say they're over there but the same thing the same the same landau. That he walked home is still alive. The still the same view of the of the sky is still alive. All of this still. That's the biggest part of it. It's not just a but little body with the whole experience. The we are as human beings with the whole sense for you when we talk about mind is seeing hearing tasting touching smelling thinking the vehicle of doing that on the object. That's all included as all lives. So why does he say. Enormous waves billow to the sky. Knight had the full the fortune in hindsight of living living by by the ocean. As a kid i lived. I lived in a house of a mile away so i had the agricultural on behind and i could walk a mile and i could look out at the Look at it. The irish sea and on the clay could see all the way to wales the seamounts. That and then i would i. Would i would go that sometimes when he was really stole me because the anybody is love of solitude in a big storm and there'd be these waves crashing over the over the promenade the used to design them so that a lot of the ways with rome back but sometimes they were so so big because we we lived in a very sort of flat between jerry the went out about mile two miles actually at one point and he would go all the way back when tied came in it was very shallow in these waves. Just come into just crash right over the top you. So you'd see these huge billowing ways and sometimes they would even throw rocks fifty odds across an almost hit the buildings sometimes it the buildings actually so this kind of obvious in that way and yet people talking about life and death and maybe bring in human podcast of this is People would still walk along the that ocean front. Whether it was like that you get these gales covenant and there was still woke across. So there'd be the guy in these dog and there'd be walking across on blackpool promenade town's prominent then the dog. The you know the one of these waves come over and then the backwash would would pull whatever. Was that end so quite often. The dog would get pulled because he didn't have much mass so the dog gets pulled into the water. Then guess what. Now you're in that position you dogs in will today so then the guy jump in water and he would he would try and get the dog and then Hey be flailing around in the war to try and save his dog. And then another by a passer-by would come in and they'd be in that position. What should i do and is aspect of compassionate. You know what would you do. You know somebody somebody drown in that on a dog so then they jump ahead and since it's like three people drowned in a dog. I mean on one level. You can save from an objective. Low a stupid. You don't do that. But from from all level of what can i do which as human beings. We have that feeling for one another. What would you do alive or dead. We appreciate life. And i'm not same. What's right or wrong there. But we feel for the people in difficulty. What would you do so yeah. Those waves that huge their obvious in that way where you looking. Where else are you looking at. The relics of schalke muni buddha the various masters. Where else are you looking to you all the time. Now joe shoe says cypress prescription the goal. Yod somebody else says the main gay somebody else says. I'm just washing may be. It's all true but if you look at than what true becomes doubted it becomes maybe not real full you in that way alive or dead in all you ally you dad and if you're not sure on that then there's going to be some problems as he goes on such comments heavens happens now. Isn't it obvious. Look look look at those waves crashing in look eliezer lights. Heavens heavens is. The pope catholic that back that kind of thing he's saying in this case there is no obvious and it goes on Zanga you know goes and this. This is nice to is he goes. This is just what needs to be worked on. I'm looking for the teachers relics. Aft after realization. What do you do what do you do. He goes to see. Just the thing work on but it's not it's not just for just for one. South is that there's other people involved in this to you. Keep on going the buddha captain going you know jesus didn't stop with his own realizations you know because of the people are involved. All the way through history is that the sokaia with realization is not one done now. This is the way to do clarify carry on his endless in that way but this includes everyone else to in this in this process. I'm good now. I'm i've got the wisdom and virtue of the awaken one two now. I retired no though it carries carries on the teaching of the ten thousand. Things is constant. Twenty four seven. There's no point in freezing. Onto a point i got it or not got it. You keep on going in that way and then later somebody called tiger and food Said the late teaches. Relics are still. This is sweet. He's sweet you know. Yeah that's what. That's what i teach you did. That's what that's what zang in student keeps on going. And he's not he's doing. Some other practice is practice is his life. There is there is no observation here. Is he's practiced is practice. Is the relics shock. Many buddha practice this and the like the japanese say shocked. Many buddhas only way that will check. Many buddha is practicing. Today is the same life same lie. Same death same process. We're going through. Doesn't matter walk fashion. You stick on the beasted still doesn't matter how you relate to your own life. It is still alive in that way. Good bad indifferent lipstick on the pig. So it's a beautiful. It's a beautiful a beautiful column in. that's just again looking at Direct experience on a momentary level from a different perspective. And if we can do this in time is the whatever perspective we happen to be into terms practice is that that's exactly our own realization. So point i wanna open it up for any questions comments and go from that so i guess he's up to staff now. Thanks as you were doing things a little bit differently. Today raw. She's frozen video for some of that but hopefully the audio came through. And you can now Yourselves can use the raise hand feature. Eneg opened up chat across the board so feel free to jump in japan. I have no control now. Solan you'll have you to do something. Bris europe wanted roy moore in bruce nc of other. Your yes. i'm here via. I remember during those call on with you. The funny thing and you brought out certain points about how you know route. It was to go somewhere. And then i mentioned that this invite some priests because that's what you do a funeral. Some young guy mc something off ended exhibits distinct. Who's down fowler. Said mama punched the guy he had good for you. Anyway you always Raise my hand map. Some say but this time. I guess i really don't so i won't say i won't say. Oh yeah i missed you. Boola biking thanks. I can Erickson go ahead you can't you. Yeah i can't he soon here you did say something instead. Let me save i can hear you. Now it's right. So i think you have to scary now or you can put something chat. Can if that's easier. I did not understand your miming but agno goes morning though she hear about my old friend. Gogo morning. soap. I i love i love the characterization of dogo beam just the laziest soviet of yeah so we go jump see no no that's our tutor opportune tuesday of say that again. The opportunities gone. Yes okay thank you. I wanted to know if if you can call mckerrow a educate piracy. So what see during this colin today have heard you talk about strikes me that this guy. You're real good question. Walk news time to be doing the wrong place. You as on the confidence guys did invite you the other pieces dude. It is a good question it is. Yeah well it is a long saw that yeah but You know comes back you cutting you cutting out so. I can't really hear what you're saying. I'm sorry you cut down. So i just can't hear what you say. Yeah i can see it. Yes yes good. Thank you next any other questions. I think there is a bit of a delay razzie also not slowly the oh yeah elena here unmuted head to see you. Thank you for your talk you only you. Yeah i can hear you so good it strikes me that is possible. There are many questions we could ask you because kim sitting do the work for yourself and don't rely on a teacher in fear and do it yourself so gosh no wonder i mean. I don't have any questions. You my are you okay. yeah okay. Good the they'll stood up the ways. Yeah well good q change on your of your hand up. I don't know if you wanted to jump in again. I was just going to ask Rusty would you speak a little bit. About the verse. The bus robertson. Horses have helms oxen's in rams are hormones. So he's he's deliberately turning things upside down here. Slight dislike the question. You should know via south. So he's directly referring to that goes net neria han area wis massive as giant mountains in other words isn't isn't it obvious to person you disturbed by the fact that there is something alive or data from view with foaming waves flooding the skies. Oh sorry the golden relics still present now so right in front of you. This is no you know. There's no place to look. And then he compounds that with foaming waves flooding the skies. Where can they be pulled. You know and that's one thing. Is i a human beings is the we want them to appear in a certain way is slight. We already have the whole universe away. You're gonna put it to where you're gonna put it on on that on that level. I'm not trying to be flipping but it's just that we always look for something outside of what we already have. But you know the thing is where those dividing lines. If something's unclear it is completely unclear until it is no longer unclear. No is that what is obvious. He's directly in front of us is if if you'll sit so consensus situation is unclear than deal with it in that way. You know. it's obvious in that way. Don't think he should be another way a in my my early days as a practitioner. Because i didn't know. And i wasn't clear about my own nature. I thought there was a problem that but the only problem was that. I thought that it was not okay to know. The unknown not know the unknown. You know because that was there all the time and some point. There's no problem with that. What come be known kombi. No simple as that is obvious his ryan from to me. You know that doesn't mean things. Change the fake Don't change that fixed. It means a xactly as it is in you that moment in time. Then let's go no place to put them because you know talking about those those those waves. They are exactly in the place that i meant to be. There's no other that they can be. The obviousness sees right in front of us moment by moment no matter where we are They been lost so the objective aspect has been lost. He goes Even on the way back westwood one shifts listened referring to bohdan who apparently they tried to kill him apparently the end of his life because he was becoming too to famous so so what he did was After they gave him the poison apparently these sort of cracked teeth. The kinda fell out. You went back to india with you. Know kind of the whole of the situation screwed up. Put a shoe on his head on the left. Which is you know again. It's kinda crazy so that the prey that praise in this thing you know at this point in after zangas seeing for himself alive will dad. You know the the whole the whole scenario is crazy. He's just he's just going back to his to his original place. In this case body down a going back to india may go back to the couch. You know chilling in front of the tv. Whatever our original dwelling places you know in that way. We just go back. It's not a matter of putting yourself forward as a teacher as a adept as somebody who knows is you go back to your life as it is. This like miami should be working in the front yard with these retire retired. I'm retired hatton. You know it didn't need to be looked at looked like his n. Teacher is who is a human being levels waves. Come in come into the very sky is not the any anything of that is no projections on what life kodo should bait. So it's a really nice poem in that way so brings me back to the beginning. Just like in the shed impeaches which will be coming out to it. It ends up with the person in the first picture Meet in the post news. The ad adapt to molest pitcher is the same the same journey. What is life becomes a lot more player in that way and there's no need to be something to do something else so that that's that's the point that in a nutshell. Thanks on you. thank you attention. Everybody fail mom term this on really relevant like most of the We always seem to come to me at hit me like at a moment that's Kinda votes were City there are sound that my just this week i found myself ask you might my died of has to go through some surgeries pretty soon Something me a lot. Seen a lot of his life about deaths and I just just this week. It occurred to me on more than one occasion when he was sleeping in. I just saw you know odyssey alive or dead up their own. I mean and That question comes at a moment where that kind of has a kind of poignancy but at the same time the other end of question. The solution to that question doesn't really seem to have much substance. It doesn't really seem to. I mean if he's alive he's alive in the number to deal with that but not much beyond that you know well earned that beauty old. There is knowing that he's gonna die knowing that y'all gonna die is the you might as well appreciate one another and make sure that yours complete as possible in terms of that you know. I mean familiar with with my dad before he died locally. I did that couple of years beforehand. I told him how much i loved them. Amateur appreciate what he's done and how how he'd gone through his challenges in his in his life you know. It was one of the most Intimate times. I think i had with my father need. Tell me how much appreciated me coming from. Culture of the the northern english culture which is kind of like you know. Don't get soapy. you know is his slight. It was like you know those so much. Love there in that in that interaction. So for me is that death. That isn't a negative is fact at but at the same time is it helps me really to to to appreciate live. You know an look at those things that get in the way of that living fully. Wanna say that. I don't mean going to all kinds of people of places in people. Doing all kinds of things is just. The living in itself is an amazing thing able to see taste smell. Thank you know. Really appreciate those words because A you know my dad's kind of a hard apps and i sometimes wondered How how it how easy it is for to facility dot kind of conversation in that kinda situation that can sense a lot of young intention but you know be on the south side right now. Reliable piece of advice. Yeah exactly just myself and also to try to help him on everything. Reno's project cities doing now. Try to try to give him and let him know that every seen sticking erevan on our he's kind of rest assured that will be able to europe but the thing that really stuck with me in his co. on last part because the for me the obviousness is the in in the in the beginning of the unity of the concept of alive or dead. I may. I may be interpreted wrong. But it's just a unity of well. Isn't it obvious that he's dead in there but at the same time the relic which for mu so Pointed toward the end is just like well. Isn't it obvious that he's alive. I mean don't you see it everywhere. Don't you see experience of that person. What they left. You got me thinking a little bit of this concept that i learned about this week of the idea of our genetic code the kind of registry of our ancestors and it's like well you know. I don't know what my grandpa's no might. What might great-great-grandfather snows. Looked like but a sitting right on my face. Something something like that. You know my dad. My dad might not be around but you know what zero she might be gone. But i you just might not respond missile. Talk about my luck. My grandfather very young. You still love duckie. The same never changed. Yeah still talk woman. My son's name is now only in that was Yes on in that way. Yeah and you know i mean. That's you the pot. We settled all twisted. Calmer a committed by me since evolved. We say we say that in our atonement Ceremony and part of that. Is that the patents. That we've inherited familial patents. We have an opportunity in this lifetime to put an end to those while. See into the nature those things and they don't need to act out on on automatic in that way. We help our ancestors we have a we. Help our own found familial lineage. But you know that that's a wonderful thing is if it just doesn't end with with this. That continues are a question jabra. She that i'm gonna read out and then get a hot pants wrestling. Yeah go okay. Our bristol last enchant. Rushie if i could ask you could ask for a bit of on your point about knowing absolutely how does not mesh with the practice of i don't know in begin. Wine not ever knowing is like feeling feeling in your bones. it's not necessarily. it's not a cognitive type. Thing is the you know. The thing that i know is the ultimately. The amount that i know is is way less than that. I don't know and don't know is is the the sole civil creativity in wedding in creativity is finding answers to all kinds of things but it's it it's all that coming from the aspect of not knowing thanks for it doesn't stop me from the united and then and then ron that i can see on this morning. Everybody loaning Or afternoon. When i say that i appreciate very much in an opportunity i got do new step. She she enrica of all g g. Shenyang's yes yes she she died. I think monday. I think it was. Yeah yeah so. So can henry marie. Yes yeah she. She's from hauling up and she was involved the new. Sorry yeah no no thank thanks for thanks for saying now may just just so people know who she she was she. She was among with the gimpo row. She and she trained with assaf to yoko g for a couple of years she she also used to go to a lot of the sessions in in england and She she died of cancer. a monday. Yeah i mean. There's a lot more to life than what i'm saying. Yeah i he felt like i need to respond. We seen and i was sending out to draw the right now. I'm having a brain thought. Can you do you give me a dedication. Basically really having yes. It's the third service that occasion yet to come. The buddha terms dhamma waylon so reality shown in all its many forms. Liberate souls seventeen beings and brings them to great joy. We since. Sally seek the vanessa guidances three tragedies in recite in the end may juku of dacian durrani. Whatever you're doing we dedicate. It's marriage to henry. Kaji should raith on this a six day of a passion seventh day of a passan and then maye yeah so it does not want when i had to feeling should come up with. Yeah again. I had with with sarah with ceremony. These the only thing is that you do in express that sentiment. It doesn't matter if you got the right words you know. The thing is the feeling is come comes forward you know. Yeah did you have changed it so of times. You have a very specific dedication in. I feel recent talk this morning. Somehow i'm not a synchronized doesn't Life know of Things sometimes it needs to sample. You know you. Liking cohen make it even even what happened. That cohen aspect is we have our own feelings. And then whatever's going on in a in a life gels at a comes together as that. That's what cohen really means. You know we've become become a piece with our environment a question and answer but it just feels right now bones which is far more important than anything the you know we can cover the typically. Come up with a defy. May i have another question. regarding sung-gun kind of struggling not seen really stupid though These you know being one rescheduled always on censorship. Being the race the body lead to supreme rayvey realize yes being than the dhamma the same one penetrate also. Trust that we still be realized. Ledger is sunk a. It's about a net lead to people. Yeah new Everywhere okay yeah and for me the little bit you know. Isn't that what we are doing all the time manipulate each other. I don't know so our failure could be serving. i referred. that would know very. I'm suda rather than try. Yeah yeah feel this. Yeah well. I mean this so wage yourself. Yeah i mean what. What you're saying is It is important as cohen. And it's just like you don't just take these woods for granted where it says lead. The people is is Time to lead lead. What is time to serve than serve when when it's time to work together as a crew than work together is accrue. You know you don't you don't have to just follow. Things have sound arrogant to you. Just see what you know. See what they mean to you as a human being definitely that aspect of sangha you know this one of the things in the implicit in the woods. Sangha it actually. A one of his implications was forest So again the implications if this high winds than a single tree can get knocked down if if it's afforest than the wind is broken by the other trees and there's more chance of survival and that way and then exponentially been in the cygnus sometimes. I'm down a papal encouraged me. And sometimes i'm up. And i encourage them. The we saw as mutual trainings mutual. It's not just coming in one direction. Is that that teaches coming from all over. And that's that's the beauty of it. You know my zoom euro shoot. Say you know you think you're lucky that you have me as a teacher. He said well. I'm falling lookie. 'cause i got fifty somebody as my teacher. You know and this is recognition. Is that the Teaching isn't just linnea. It's horizontal vertical is coming at you from dogs. Cats animals teaches coming in all over the place. Now but when it's time to lead is important to lay tag that position because not many people like to lead either zoom. You should do that all the time but nowhere to lead in went to follow a one to drag people on with the in my experience. He'd saw Very i know lately it's sinking of belting. Students really complicated actually spends. He's not like yeah difference but my idea about situations needs Experiences is way different midnight almost as nothing to do each other. You kind of funny. Yeah yeah so. I have experienced very close lease. See that you know what the heck is going. Why am i so behold fucking ideas wine kinda experienced life directly that yes the steers function. Yeah if you think about it. It's kind of one day salts in sinking in kind of what's going on you but it's a different kind of familiar comes understanding where you can see housing operate in. Yeah in times. They integrate of this alive. Then they integrate to some point. It's not a problem but if these ever any confusion just put to one side. Thank you rob. You're off and stared heart. Thanks go unmuted when when you talk about you know the next. Think of the other source of jibbidy. Yeah and what. I'm doing says in things that are gang up. Is that the unconscious conscious at annot agenda. I won't say you know the thing is you. Do you do your exploration. And i don't know what terms you're adding to that but i'm pretty sure if you have that experience of vast an unknown the you will put whatever label on and he'll be accurate for you so the label might be unconscious. Yeah the important thing is. Don't fix it that because it's just truly. Yeah and one of the things. Don't don't fix the label larry's i go to the experience of what that is any given time and try and put it in another way at any time. Then you won't live off cliche. You'll live off what the experiences and that's why the coombs so many different columns because they're not sticking to one explanation and going. Yeah this is known that's the way it is period. Now it's just like what is it now so there's always finding out you know then. Is that when you deal with people. It's not just swell. This is who they are. I know him. This is what they do is just like find out who they are at this moment in time wants needed ran the put him into a box and going. This is who they are. You know why we tend to do in families you know though this is this is the way day you know and then when when you move out at than this a problem so the thing is to see how person is at any given time. It's like with with nick. If if i call this is nick in this is the way is i. Don't see him as he is at any any given time. And then this. There's no space for him to to bring out other aspects of his own billion. You know thank you thank you i think. That's it for shannon stainless has last minute commenter Otherwise it's told thirty. Three hutter just to say hello and land to teaching on. We have to be prepared for the best. The overland just decided just a quick thing about the teaching and the student teacher relationship dissolved as always being the teaching the teacher under student but does the actual essence of wash. It's all about comedy coast. Yeah right and other words we have to. We have to find. The first sam's unclear the value of the teacher is is kinda keep onto that out call. Lines are all. They're all pointing at the same today. Yeah and it is learning process Appreciation of like The sign trees. I protect young essence. All the desert does a great gluttonous in A huge it'll hold enough involved in the whole relationship if you say so feel anyway so thank you very good good all right is liam liam off the hope now so carry on if we can do something until.

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Valerie Forstman

Carry The Fire Podcast

1:25:52 hr | 8 months ago

Valerie Forstman

"Welcome to carry the fire a podcast where we explore the big questions of life through the Lens of the good, the true and the beautiful. I'm your host Dustin Cancer, and my hope is that through these conversations with people of diverse and divergent backgrounds and beliefs. We can glimpse the world the new through each other's unique perspectives. Fairly long ago. Coming out of this practice started. Giving myself sort of instruction that when your heart is breaking. Let it break all the way open. All the way you know that. We. Really look into this. Pain and suffering. It's you know we. It's the suffering of the whole world first of all. And that. Realization! That you know hearing the cries of the whole world then this. This becomes of a piece with compassion. We think well. How can I bear the suffering of the whole world? Low everyone today on the pod. We're joined by Valerie Forstmann. Valerie is an associate masters, then teacher in the Kyodo and tradition. And also has a PhD in Hebrew Biblical interpretation. In our conversation, she tells the story of her introduction to Zen practice. She talks about the way her practice has impacted her life and specifically. How does impact the way? She walks through these strange times of social distancing and canceled plans. And she shares some about the ways. The Zen has given her new ways to interpret the unconditional love. She found in her spiritual roots. Let's dive in. well, thank you so much for. Taking, the time pleasure really. However? You've been holding up in lockdown. Such an interesting time early remarkable to be alive now. yeah. I of course. all plans canceled and my partner and I are sheltering at home. Both of us able to reach out to others. Do a little bit of work from home, which is helpful. But everything is different Yeah and. You know for US personally. We're. Were our life. Has It such that I travel a lot? We're often apart for long stretches of time. And here we are together. We're taking daily walks at a beautiful lake, nearby and sitting Sawsan together. Enjoying meals together just a sense of solitude And really Wonder and so so personally! You know it's. It's rather a heightened time. For A for practice? for for really being mindful For doing things that I I see as gifts. And at the same time, You know sitting right in the midst of the suffering and. we are watching the news and. I feel that it's important to be. With people endo aware of what's going on without being swamped by that. Yeah. So. Yeah extraordinary time. Yeah. emailed you about you, but basically I'm just trying to get perspectives from different people and specifically. Through the Lens of the the good in the beautiful. and I like to start out kind of getting those by asking. If you remember when you were growing up. What would give you a deep sense of wonder about the world? But a lovely question. I feel very fortunate. Then I was bored into a context. Where that was, there was space for wonder. My. Mother was an educator Piano Teacher. My father was a theologian. There was. From early odds somehow perhaps for that. Context perhaps. Stat genetic makeup. I? I lived in the world with a sense of wonder. And with a with also. Being drawn to sort of the deepest questions, even as a young child. and. You wondering at. A with amazement at the beauty of the world, and also quite aware of of suffering and wondering why. Why so? but Perhaps, because of my context nature. And Music. And human love. Human relationship. We're all sources of. Of wonder also I mean. You know growing up in that context I remember. Very young child. Sitting on my bed in the dark at night. You know. What is God. AD. I was hearing. You know in my faith context about this person. You know the. The Christ Jesus Christ. And as as a little girl, you just. Just walk into my room and show yourself. So what happened? There was this great wonder at mystery. Also like. Just. It seemed. There was an expectation that this would be shown and. You know I remember period night after night of waiting and strangely never. I can't remember feeling dashed or disappointed or angry. EW It just somehow what came out of that was a sense as I grew that The the questions themselves. The seeking itself. Had A value in a life to it. that. While! You know it's genuine seeking. It it has. That they're real. Place of value might be and very asking the question. that. That's where we have our life. And that it was okay that this mystery was big enough to contain all of that and. Kind of continue to draw. Draw said. How old were you when you were starting to think through? I remember the evenings. Nights about five. Five five. Remember that continuing. My father was a professor at Stanford when I was young child. Religion Department and then moved the family to Nashville, Tennessee. which was tough? You know for kids. To join the faculty at Vanderbilt Divinity, school, so I can kind of track. Being eight and still. Having experience of waiting in the dark. See you now have PhD in Biblical interpretation. You're also zen master in the sandbox Cuban tradition. You continue to work at a Christian University in Texas so it's a wide variety of things happening in A. Curious here a little bit more about your spiritual roots kind of what tradition you raised, and then how those roots of kind of grown out to where you are now, yes, I one correction and Part of the sun bows in tradition and that tradition I. My title is Associate Send Master. So there you know in this Japanese way, there is a progression through the practice and so it's it's not an. Say. She but there is a distinction there. Yeah so as I, said I I grew up in A. Really bored into what I would call it progressive. Protestant religious tradition so Christian faith was See very natural. it was a faith of exploration one very much tied to social justice and. Church and community and and a sense that God is love. were were Kinda bred in the bone. Never with proselytizing I wasn't forced. but I did grow up with the sense that You know there was this. Fundamental reality that Christian faith was. Opening Up, you know to me, and in the world. Of. You are might be love it. This. This sense of Unconditional love. At the same time. It would be quite unusual i. think to grow up. No matter when circumstances a matter. The privilege. You know having experiences that wound us. And that cut us off and that Make us. Feel separated and. Lacking Yudo. That sense of lack that just goes to the heart Oh at so at the same time, but I thought this unconditional love is a beautiful idea, and in some way real in this world, but not for me. Either there's just that gap. Not Quite. And I went off to college. I was. In, love with classical music by then and pursued that. And carried with me into that. A sense of lack. I remember my. My mother, had, taken a You know a little card a blank. Card and written on. It something about unconditional love you. Unconditionally no matter the circumstances, no matter and however she put that in a beautiful sentenced to I, had put it up on the mirror in my dorm room. But but somehow it there was the struggle to feel. Completely included in that love. and. So. Fast forward, you know Career in classical music Help me find my way. of all places that brought me to Dallas Texas. for work. and Lo and behold I found the Maria can nonsense eter with Ruben Hobby Toro. She the guiding teacher. didn't I had had an experience I think. As a teenager. Actually of The world that is in points to. But I had no context for unpacking that for understanding that. I had. Dabbled in meditation and College I. Went to Oberlin College where this? You know these kinds of practices and Inter religious understandings and Everything was going on. There was all available. But I hadn't really found a practice and. through music I. was led to this. Amazing. Opportune moment finding myself at the Zen, center, receiving introduction and feeling. Really at home, knowing that this practice was something that I. Absolutely needed to. No matter. How it went. Yeah, I kept at it. And As one does months in I signed up for what's called a session? an intensive period practice. Actually it was early enough on in my practice I didn't really know. It sunk in. What that that session that intensive retreat would be? so I showed up portions it was. Far enough drive out of town that I didn't feel I. could just look at the schedule? Think I can't do that and Turner and out. There I was. I was so. Great I was. We were all arranged in. A big Sendo is kind of a cinderblock building was turned into Zenda with a little altar down at the front and and. Unusually no other emblems often these retreats are held and. You know former! Comments or monasteries, so there are Christian symbols around, and in this case that wasn't so so it was really empty, space and I was seated between I remember to. TAP INTO BE TALL men. Long time practitioners. So In my sort of Wow. How am I going to do this? Eight and a half hours of sitting day. All United how? I was seated between. It felt like two pillars. and. I was working on this. Initial co on that is so. Integral to the Zen traditions, ancient choline and At one. The one that I was given was. Joe Shoes Mu. To smooth does a dog have Buddha nature or knocked? You this great? Aid Century Master says. Boo! So the invitation to the student is to sit with that. Breeds Mu Walk Moon nothing but move. That's there's a lot that can be said about that, but. In the context of that session a few days in. Know before there was any chance to have some expectation. I was sitting and Had the sense while. Sitting of I guess you could say an apparition a vision some this figure. White sort of figure appeared before me. And Even in that context and having actually been. away from the church, not out of rebellion just. Circumstances for some time. What what came to me in that moment of this? Facing this figure was That's Christ. Almost immediately. I heard the words. This is my body. Utterly transfixed. This is my body and after I don't know a few moments. I'm not sure how long. The thought came. That's blasphemy. This is my body. So immediately, it all went away. and Fairly soon. Yeah. Did you take that to mean? This! This of everything or it fell on me in the sense of this one sitting here, assure this everything, but really this one. This is my body. You know. What's happening right now? and. You know I wouldn't have separated. I wouldn't have said Oh. Until the thought that's blast with me when that came up, it's like Oh. This Valerie is the body of Christ like there's some equation there. You don't, but actually the experience was. Nothing, but this very body sitting there. Is The body of Christ. So! The bell rang in. We bowed and we. Stood in the clapper's sounded and we slowly started this. Walk Kalkin Hin. you know. The the ongoing silent walking meditation. and. Ever about forty people so is a big circle. This room and down at the end was this altar. Where there had been a long a photo, a picture in a frame of my teachers, teacher, Monaco and Roshii. and He's you know. Someone I've had such respect for I had read about him in the three pillars of Zen just the fact that he was my teachers teacher. Great respect. But in that face was just had been for me and inscrutable Japanese face. And where were walking and Kim Hin and In somehow walking past the alter. My I just happened to. Just, glance at the photo disc-, catch a glimpse of it. By chance. And sadly. This compassion was just pouring out of his face. Adan. The sense was I understood. I understood why. Not In some rational sense, but there was just. This understanding. And pretty soon we went back began the next head, and before long I happened to be tapped to go and see the teacher. and. Fortunately, there was a because it was a large session. There was a row of five mats in lying to see the teacher. And I'm just sitting there without. Really with this Moo what is Moo what is Moo? But all the while these tears kind of cunning, running down my cheeks. Quiet? And By the time I got to the Matt right outside the door in my lap was wet. But the last thought I had was I'll never get this. Did, what what is Moo? This question, this deepest question this sort of. Opening question. The fundamental matter. Where that came from now as a teacher, it's so common I hear over and over I'll never can't this. And there's something about that. Surrender That is. Part of the path. I went in and I sat down in front of my teacher in front of Ruben and. He said what's happening? I said nothing. And then. I suddenly recalled. And said well I was sitting in this figure appeared in heard these words and. Then I had this thought it all went away. I walked by the you know I just recounted, and as I did that, it opened up. This space that had. Just this vast space that opened up in a very intimate way, and he asked me at that moment. What is Moo? And it just came. It came without. Not from discursive place was just in the most natural way, and then it comes with a lot of checking questions, and we were suddenly just with his guidance plunged freely into this world. Rather just is no separation. And you know if I could now stepping back from that. you know. One way I might describe what happened. Was this shift? From unconditional love as something that. You have. It's not something we have. It's what we are. At at that came home in a way that has just it just doesn't leave. It's not to say your practice is forever lifetime. Forever and ever at always opening new horizons. But that's shift. But we cannot fall out of this that in a sense, it's our birthright. It always simply what we are. That came home in a way that I would call the great relief. So. Without any? You know beyond anything I could possibly concoct. This merging in a sense of Christian faith and Sen. awakening. Just unfolded. In that particularity. Yeah. That point you had not. Started your studies in Biblical interpretation. Yeah. That's right so I. Continued of course, this launched me into practice any now. My practice can begin. When feels that over and over? And this practice ad so. That retreat. was in the fall and about. Four months later I. Basically got off my. Christian Wendy and heard myself say out loud I think I'll go back to school. Oh really. and. What had come up with a sense of? Wanting to find Christian language. To. Interpret what had happened and then to be able to share? With Christians this practice. Because, it had been so liberating. Ed and really innocence opened the gate for me to find a embrace my own Christian. Innocence background inheritance. So. I thought well I'll just go to school and get a masters of theological studies There's a place. About fifty minutes for my house, and in a divinity school that happen to have its own heritage, and the tradition I grew up, in which is the Christian Church, disciples of Christ, and I knew some of the faculty there who had actually been students either of my father at. The school where he taught I'd even. When I googled that place, and it just felt like the commitments of the institution to Social Justice and this sort of. Progressive Theological study, but included my own concerns for. Feminist interpretation. For Concern. For reading on the margins. For Persons of Color for. For Persons. LGBTQ. Identity, I needed a place I needed to study these tax and these. Theological! Sort of rubrics for this framework in a context that was clearly supportive of all. Of Humanity. And the schools seem that to me so applied and I started at at the time I was continuing to play as a professional musician. continued that. One thing led to another I I much to my surprise. Kind of fell in love with With the Hebrew language. which had never studied before? With what's called the Hebrew Bible. And with. Questions about Literary theory, which all resonated so deeply for me with this zen practice. The linguistic construction of meaning for one thing that just that's just. Ito. Was So exciting to you know that we are the stories that we tell. And how are we creating this world through language At. And then theologically what? What does it mean to say? It is no longer I who live, but Christ who live in me and and the sense from zen practice that is so clear that either there's this death. And Life. And, that's the heart of it. You know what? What this great thirteenth century Master Dogo called Life Death One. He put a hyphen their life death. So that. That fundamental question belongs to both of these traditions and to be able to wrestle with that, and and and then began to unpack it through the reading of texts. and. And, actually looking at language and the way it requires the gap to make meaning `to. So fascinating to look at that what it is to be human to be linguistic creatures at the same time that I'm doing this practice where you can absolutely see through the gap. Zinn! GONE WORDS LADDERS Yet when you see that words are also it, you know. So it's. It was just this. Path that naturally one thing led to another. Talk about wandering into the of the circle of wonder. That's master once she put it that way. It's wonder. that I could explore in these ways and so the door opened to enter the PhD program there. In Hebrew Bible, which by then was my area of? And it. Strangely, seemed just opportune. Why not I mean I! Don't recommend that actually. I don't i. I, don't think. that. That's the normal reason to do a PhD. Yeah! Know I had the privilege of having this other career of other means of support. So. It was possible to do this out of sheer interest. Just. A love of language Pursuit of the intersection of all of these interests of what it is to be human. and. At a way to kind of cultivate. As it turns out. Zan practice and and sent teaching. I feel it's. It's really fueled that and along the way it gave me a second career. which happened to be very convenient and the timing and just? How. Interesting is that to have the chance? That our lives to To do thing thoroughly as a career, and then to Shan't food and have this whole other arena of of your work life that is. Not unrelated but really fresh different. He'd. I was an administrator in a theological Graduate Theological School for eleven years. I've just retired in January rather ironically. From that work to devote myself full-time. twos and Training ends and teach. You just stopped working at the Cote did yes, yes. Just so I had. I had all of this travel. scheduled. The opportunities were were just sort of coming in and it was. It felt like. I was holding back the floodgates for awhile aid. The Grad School where I worked was incredibly flexible about allowing me to travel. For Teaching and you know to work around the edges of what was a very demanding job, but finally it just felt like it's time now. I can now do this and so I retired in two. Months of schedule of traveling for to lead this session. Cody, this session work at this place or just practice in this place I mean I. I went to New Mexico I went to Germany for three weeks went back to new. Mexico I was headed to Florida group lead there. I was scheduled for a month in Germany and May and you know about a month ago. Everything ceased. Its stopped. and. So then I had the. Opportunity like so many of us to. Sit with disappointment. At five new ways you well. Now what do we do? How do we reach out? How do we connect What's? What is the wonder of this? Really. Exactly this where we. At at at. It took a little bit I was quite disappointed. Because I had waited so long. For the opportunity I think and when it took off, it was, it was really an incomparable joy. To do this thing and. To begin to grow more in it To offer. What's what's mind to do in these various contexts? Ad then you know. Just all canceled I founded a really. Really Compati- teacher. That disappointment and maybe that's again coming from a place of privilege. because I have a house where I can. Take shelter. Enough resources right now. I could see that disappointment. Has An agenda right. Thanks, there's a plan that ought to happen. That's been cut off. and. That's construct. Really sat with it, you what? What could be more alive? More dynamic. More complete more calling to us. Then this. Place where we stand. It led me to reflect on. Again perhaps a kind of privilege, but I think a real pointer from this practice. The A contrast between. Loneliness. Which? I know so many people are suffering from a practice perspective you, that's a little. That's like disappointment. That has an agenda. That thinks it knows. What would be better than this? Whereas solitude. Includes everything. But externally they look very similar at time. Would you connect that to? Kind of? Bigger issue that the Buddha was getting. In looking at suffering where the? The main. Pain will come, but then you extend this pain by. By, not wanting in in some sense by not just accepting what it is by wanting something other than what that pain is. Yeah I connected very much to that suffering. Compassion. Fairly long ago. Coming out of this practice started. Giving myself this sort of instruction when your heart is breaking. Let it. Break all the way open. All the way that they're. So there. We really look into this. Pain and suffering. It's you know we. It's the suffering of the whole world first of all. And that. Realization that you know hearing the cries of the whole world then this. This becomes of a piece with compassion. At An IT A- then I. We think will. How can I bear the suffering of the whole world? You. Can't you can't? This wide open heart. Is Limitless. there's just no boundary. There's no container so it. It allows this suffering. To be of a peace with a boundless compassion. That is. At the heart at this practice. I. I really like. At have been SORTA reminded of title of a book by James Forida. MASTER IN A. Very close tradition to sign bows in. Some ago. He wrote a book entitled Lucky. Your heart. Will break. And it's his sense story really at that point early on, and he tells an experience of his own awakening just. The most simple circumstances. And, it's in a way of having this sense of being kind of closed down of things are right. They're not as they should be, and then suddenly being met. I suppose you could save by the extraordinary beauty. He Stirring This thin soup you know for the meal, which is also very unhappy about right. And up comes. Just a little wilted leaf have cabbage. And suddenly. Just the. You know extrordinary Pudi of that one wilted leaf of cabbage. A good friend and other. Associates master in this tradition who? a few years ago, we were enjoying a meal together and just in the conversation in the course of the conversation, he said. People cannot tolerate the beauty of thanks. And that the coversation went on I had. I have left with that just carrying it. And sort of sitting with it will. Why is that what is that? and. To really, See Beauty. South has to recede. It is sense you disappear. The beauty disappears you. It's just that. That happened to. John Ishmail Fort when he saw? That cabbage leave. So this for maybe a roundabout way of talking about this suffering that is so at hand now. I feel it is one and the same. With compassion. And out of that then. We find what is our to do? This is not. Awakening into some Shangri la that takes you out of the world. It's world. Exactly, this world! This broken world. That for myself needs to break. All the way open. It seems. That this time! Is Kinda primed for those kinds of? Openings Maybe that you are stuck. He can't be thrown into. For a lot of us can't be thrown into. All of the things that are normally. Distracting you from? The beauty of everything I think and. It it starts encroaching, and you can kind of fight it off for find me. Finally see it or have breakthrough in these these moments. That's beautifully put yeah. It starts encroaching. I mean. There is no way to Make something grandiose of this global pandemic. And yet. The Global. For for many of us, what's global, pause? And this great. Uncertainty this great, not knowing is a is a chance. Certainly. Plunge us into practice. I would think in whatever tradition. When can find? That is fitting it. Opens up the possibility of making a different kind of world. Speaking of practice are. Could you just tell a bit about? What does then practice looks like for you and your tradition sure. So you know the fundamental. The core the heart. The ground was in is Saizen is sitting meditation practice which is practice. Which is skews me posture, breathing and stilling the mind these three basic elements. And you know went, finds a posture conducive to balance to still us kind of alignment to really being in the body being grounded. Normally kneeling. It can be kneeling on a mat and a cushion. It can be if someone is flexible you know. The the the oldest tradition was sort of Full Lotus Yudo are hat leathers. That's what Duggan. Teaches his monks, are you? There's a some people can sit cross, legged, but with both lake sort of on the Mat. Kneeling is helpful position. Some people use a bench which is fine like a small prayer bench to kneel on. A chair as also fine it's. it's not about enduring pain. Yeah in fact. Finding posture. That's conducive. With as little pain as possible conducive to this awareness, concentration practice, really being present following the breath. That's what I would go for so. I once heard. The Abbot of Sambo's in teaching an introduction does into some college students out in California and he taught posture breathing stilling the mind. At the end that one of the young students said well, which is most important. City there. I think he's going. Say stilling the mind because that's challenging. And he said posture. So that first element of finding this posture. Somehow. Your knees. If you're on a mat, are are on the Mat. so there's a tripod. Between your you know your. Your sits bones and your knees, and and then you can find this. Balance With the upper body that allows the chest. The head to gradually rise up. You know there. There are a number of fairy helpful introductory. You can Google Online and get lots of instructions about that various postures. If you're in a chair feet flat on the floor back a little away from the chair There's a a hand, position and blue dread that. We use in some bows in. That's very common That is right handed in the laugh lap. To resting in the lap, left hand on top, and the thumbs slightly touching, so it almost forms. A kind of a heart. The thumbs are very near the the naval or the HARA. I've come to move very much. Appreciate that position though I know, there are others. And Mrs Simply. For someone who feels Having struggling with the shoulder, sometimes we'll suggest just laying your hands in your lap I mean it's it's. It's not A. You know it's a very helpful for. But not at all a straight check. so then. Breathing is just following the breath. When I sit I. Take a few I i. sit down I Iraq a little bit. I find my poss- Chirac little. Left, right back and forth from back so I really find that fulcrum that sense of century. And then I take a few deep breaths to begin. And then I just saddle into. Natural breathing. Breathing in I, if in less than terribly congested breathing through the nose. With the mouth gently closed so it's very helpful to notice the. If there's any tension in the jar the throat let that open. It's very helpful to kind of do a scan re just balanced. I remember so many times. My teacher, saying fully relaxed fully alert. Over time the breath naturally seems to slow down. It naturally seems to deepen. But. I'm not. Necessarily making that happen. I just pre. And then stealing the mind. Thoughts arise. sometimes this is like an to sitting like a mountain. And the thoughts pass by like clouds. So the invitation is as soon as you notice a thought. Rather than trailing after it or sticking to her, adding to like. You, know beats. Putting beads together. On a piece of string. You chasse as soon as the thought. You noticed thinking just returned to the breath, so you just release it. like a cloud. Passing by. In this time especially. But it's not unique to this time. Sometimes, people get very quiet and things come up. If it's. If it's really important matter One Way. To deal with that is to maybe have a pad of paper next Hugh, and actually jot it down so that you won't spend the rest of the period of sitting ruminating on that, but you acknowledge this is something to tend to affect. Some people get great ideas while they're sitting. So rather than having to sit there, remembering the idea or developing the idea, you just ride it out. Returned to the breath. If. Sometimes anxiety! Comes up, and it usually comes in the form of constriction. Somewhere in the body. Just to notice that and breathe into it. Again I wouldn't discursive -ly analyze it. That's not the practice. But just. Allow some space surrounded. and. Again it it. It can be thought after sitting. You know it can hear other. They're very helpful ways to help to explorer and help us address anxiety at what might be pointing to. But, on the cushion Just to notice the construction and return to the breath allow some space. Breathe into it. You know some teachers and I. I really appreciate. It just flooded with loving kindness. Dokan in his universal instructions said. Take backward. Step and shine the light in. Some translations say learn the backwards step and shine a light in. That light itself at shining through that constriction and it will us. My experiences, it will dissolve. At like this phrase. Said is a solvent I think I. Think I I heard. Father Kennedy years ago another. Sin! Teacher Sambas in tradition. Say That, but said is a solvent. Dog and actually. Speaking of the car Mu since more powerful way of putting it, he said. MOO IS A son. With stone melting power? Hey everyone. If you're already supporting the show through patron, thank you so very much if you aren't yet to let you know that you can now become a patron and support the show for as little as five dollars a month, becoming a patron, and provide you with a variety of perks, including access to additional content like song lyric breakdown episodes QNA episodes where you can submit questions for me to answer additional conversation episodes that won't show up in the public feed and access to our discord board where we're building community and gauging deeper conversations around the show. Here's a sneak peek at some additional Patriot only content. I feel like half. My songs are probably about light and dark. He had. Let's see Oh and then we come to a part where it says on that day as we look backwards, we will see that everything is changed, and all of our trials will be as milestones on the way and that's me kind of riffing on this idea that. Cs Lewis Talks about in. A book called the Great Divorce. Which is interesting book? It's kind of a allegorical. Really an allegory bates. Basically he's he's imagining what it would be like to go into hell and into heaven, but there these very interesting ways of thinking about it like hell. Is this vast grey city where? Everyone just keeps moving away from each other. Just endlessly to the horizon and there. which is this very fascinating way? Basically, it's everyone who's there is choosing. To be away from everyone else, and that's like they're. They're making me WanNa read it. I need to read it. It's it's fascinating book it's short to. 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An ASS does a dog have Buddha, nature or dot. This monk would have. Come unquestionably. Fervor Tradition Buddhism. where? It's absolutely fundamental to that air every. Everything every sentient beings, certainly I would say everything has buddha nature. So. He would have in some sense. He would have carried that with him. That Tenet. Maybe like carried unconditional love as a tenant. But he. Does a dog. Maybe you could say. He's asking about those lowly creature in China. They were really dogs were not well regarded. That day. Rabies asking about, himself. To I. Have this awakening nature. That's all that Buddha. Nature means wakened awakening nature to high. Joe Shoe says in you and Chinese. It would have been woo. W.? transliterated. Which means literally no. Nothing not having. White can look into that. In myriad ways. The first week. I sat with this code. I B I was driven. I was hair on fire. I remember. Day night. What is move? What is that's the question what is? What is what is Mu Negative? What is that Mu what is? and. I about seven days I was driving home one day. From this graduate school. Get to stop light and realize sooner. What is what is and I? Really I was giving myself a terrible headache. So it was it was a wonderful moment I've just. Kind of. Almost slamming into the wall of our discursive mind at limitation. That is just not what this is about and is so helpful to have that exhausted. To. Run into that limitation so I. Think you said You know like like this? Like this pandemic has sort of put us in this place where we're. Facing us, you know you're you ran into that limitation and then you began to just. Breathe Mu some people. It's just every acceleration sitting. And let you walk. Let booed. Talk. Let drive. Some teachers say live the life of Mu. You could say well. It's sort of like a mantra but it. If you practice with. It that that's just scratching the surface. It's a solvent. It's a penetrating son. kind of a way to. Get! At, seeing or experiencing. Non Duality and everything es. When I say solvent. I mean our concepts are assumptions. Of course are constrictions, but what is all that you know? It's like the scaffolding of I me mine. That is. Fundamentally based on the sense of separation I here and you are there. And out of that I. Concoct this identity that I then feel compelled to defend. I'm insecure. You know that I've separate Ed, so there's this thing I have to. You know sort of. Hold up in the world. And that's threatened. All the time. In some way you know it's, it's like a A scaffolding and also it's wall. and We could say our identity our. Our sense of separation. Fundamentally. And so students who work with mu or maybe. Another there other. Cohen's that are sometimes given initially will come up against this middlebury. They'll encounter fear of letting go. You, if I if I let this fall. If I if I let go of that separate self. Then what? Yeah and That is really Fertile ground. To encounter that fear. And let yourself sit with it and real. You might come to see that from the beginning. Our hands are empty. that. There really is nothing to defend. It might come through just as you said a glimpse. Of, this non dual world, this one world. Yomata conroe she who I mentioned before. Likened are. Her experienced to. Living as an a, Glass Room darkened room, darkened glass. and. This practice with sitting. Maybe with Mu. Maybe with. Who here's there other ways? gradually. The glass get slider. And then maybe in some sudden moment there'll be. Like a pinprick. Through the glass. And you see. This whole world out there. You get you get a glimpse of this world. And actually there, then, maybe not even an here out there. You know, and and then over time with practice some for some people it's as though that little opening just like Lynn's that just widens and widens and winds. Until finally. It falls away. Completely. For some. The House collapses. And then everything! Comes rushing them. Look Image. So when you're sitting. You're be clear mind. And then are you always do proceed to Cohen or do you? Like when? How do you decide like what you said? You kind of a mix of these two schools. There's a a so to speak curriculum. That's one way of calling it a a series of coins, these different volumes we start after an initial. Awakening experience that that collapsing that non dual world is this oneness empty infinite oneness. Timeless Boundless World of equality and equanimity and dynamism, a taste of that launches a student. can. If. They're drawn to it. into. This whole process of Koan study and we start with West called miscellaneous cards, and then there's the a book, called the gate `less gate or Mohmand con-. You know about forty eight Cohen's and then there's the blue clip record or Heke Gone Roku and then there's the book of Equanimity the book of serenity the show, euro, Roku, and then the Dinka Roku finally transmission of light, which of these beautiful exchanges between Master and At the moment of awakening this so to speak transmission so. Myself, because I was quite taken with Cohen's I found them. Very very helpful I mean. I flew to them though they can become founding, and and it's so helpful when you come to one that you get stuck, know there's other really good ones. Actually it's. There's a certain kind of agony because when someone wants to see this world and the world that is really. Opened up in these 'cause. You know if you're. If you look at them from outside they they look like offense, just nonsense really. and. From. The World of that. I've been describing here. They're they're so natural. You they they really. It's like getting to see this Oh. And this and this each one just clarifies it and the masters are all here sort of keeping company. It's like this great. Crowd of witnesses in a sense, right here with us and so so through that practice I've. You know I've done that curriculum. twice with my own teacher at another time with another teacher and And my experience of it was I I would. Do My daily sitting and have have read the CAW and be kind of holding the Cohen and my heart mind. But not necessarily sitting. You know only focused on Bat. I one teacher liken it to hanging on a hook in the back of the room of your practice. And then sometimes it imposes itself. It'll just. Come right there. And in time it's you don't figure it out. That doesn't work. It's just even if you can't figure it out. It's. It's like dry gruel in a bowl, and the teacher can see that and we'll. Help, you. Will ask a question that that throws you off that perch. Makes it fresh. I now am. Continuing. I have a gun now and then that comes up, but I often now in my practice and just sitting. Just sitting or Really just sitting with the Living Cohen. Of. Pandemic global pandemic. Whatever's at hand. When I guide students. Some, are in this really thriving. By. You know taking up the Cohen's one by one in this particular order. And and some find that that. They don't resonate particularly you know. It throws them into a place of anxiety, or or into discursive mind in a way that is just not helpful to their practice, so they they find home. In just sitting. And they still come to A. You know what we call on this face to face. They can still find A. Just A. Face to face encounter around practice can be very helpful, but we're not respite. Raise the question of a coli or just span practice. The. the just sitting sounds. Pretty similar to. I've been practicing. Centering prayer recently At the only difference I think would be the. Centering prayer doesn't even focus on breath, but it's. That seems like a small issue it because in the end. The breath is. When I've sat focused and breadth that becomes. Background, too. So, for for me, I mean. Centering prayer is so close to this and. I I had a chance at my school when I was teaching to. The Grad school to teach. a course at prayer across traditions and we looked at. Christian contemporary practices and send practice and students got to taste these and look at the similarities and differences, but what you just described about the breath I mean. That's your experience. Another way I might put that as. The breath can open up in a way where there's nothing that's not the breath. I'm trying to like the contrast. Because on a surface level, it sounds similar and I'm sure you have a better insight into it but the. The Way I've heard it described as centering prayer is Intention based like the only thing you're doing is intending to. Not hold onto any thoughts. And then breath focus attention. You are giving attention. Positively to. The breath. which seems to lead to similar places, but I don't know. What other differences you'd see between those practices and why prefer does in practice. The word that comes to mind for me and centering prayers emptying. emptying. And that. Is Resonate so deeply with what what we're doing in the sent practice. What are the differences? I mean the Forbes I've been Quite taken. Especially during this time with how often I've heard. Send Teachers. In the West. Where where it's now so? You fertile. Use The word love. Perhaps in sin. I. This is just for myself. I might say. love without substance. Love without. You could say subject object. Just this this. Love. Beyond knowing and not knowing. You know it's. And Yet Love is. Is the word that comes up. You know seeking for words. K. It's beyond words, but somehow. We keep returning to this word love. In centering prayer, it may be an you could answer this of. That that love. And that emptying is. More understand itself more as emptying into. It, how would you describe? That love. Are you soaking in. It is a bad lewis timeless. I don't know that's that's. It seems to me, The big thing that a lot of meditative practices are getting at is. I guess you're saying that the solvent like the disillusion of. How strongly the EGO is holding on. To its separateness and so. I think. From My. Experience in different practice. A lot of them are getting their kind of different means. I mean, can you? Just, that cannot survive love. It can't. Win The love fills up. There's there's nothing outside it. It is. This whole one existence and what you called Ego, you know that that sense of separateness that we hold onto. Just can't. Really can't survive that love. At the same time when you see that even in it is love every that that compassion you know. that. Once we. Fall into this. Even at our anxieties, our sets of separation our sense of inadequacy. That's. Nothing, but above. That line nothing can separate you from the love of God and Christ Jesus. For me, that is so big. That I couldn't imagine. Saying well unless you sign on the dotted line. Of Christian faith, you're not included that. It's interesting. Seeing so I was raised in a pretty conservative Christian. Setting. and. Having kind of deconstructed reconstructed a lot of. ways that I look at. The world and the divine and certain things like. what you just said. Nothing can separate you or I. I hadn't thought about the I no longer live Christ lives in me. those kind of things. Take on a new beauty seeing them from a different. Angle whereas at least from me like. The under Senate I'd been. Kinda given for those things. I always felt very small an and limiting limited. and seeing it. I guess as bigger picture. Nothing could be less limited than sing it from from that perspective work. That understanding of Christ in all things. That you, it's not you no longer being, but it's You opening up to. The whether you are connected to everything. Yeah, I curious I'm sorry. I just wanted to say. What are the most meaningful aspects of my work at this? Graduate Theological School I interviewed every student who applied to be admitted. Usually face to face or On A. On my platform. Most often face to face with campus visit. And I was also the kind of open door for students there who were struggling and I saw so many people. Go through of their own unique repeatable version. Of coming up in a very limiting very judgmental. Christian context. Sometimes so violently rejected by that very context you that that that home so they they were forced to leave and then. You know the bravery and creativity of. Going through that. Deconstruction. And Finding One's way. To a faith that is. free liberated. That cannot exclude anyone. By its very definition by the fact of what it is, you know this love. I. Really appreciate the work you're doing. And the process you've gone to it. It just reminds it just hugs me because I've I've seen. a number of stories of people who. You know even. Left that and came back and are in training. You're. Out in the world, being pastors or chaplains counselors. And you're doing that in A. In a very creative way. Think. Yeah, I think a big part of why I'm. Doing this one reason is I get to talk to interesting people, which is fun but Is that it? I want I like that little spaces that I've found. Someone had gone a little bit before in a certain direction was so life-giving. Oh! There are options of ways of thinking because I think that's what. Stopped me so many times before when I'd come to a wall was. I only saw two. Options and both problematic, but I wanted to hold on to goodness truth and beauty and I thought the only way I could do. It was hold onto this whole. Chunk of other things and so I kept doing that. But not realizing there was so much. So many new paths of seeing everything so. I think just hearing people's stories and. Even for me I didn't know. Like. It growing up, there was like the Christians in our camp and then. You would hear about like the liberal Christians or something, but like they basically might as well have not believed in the same God like it's. It was like the that's real bad over there. As I didn't understand this barrage. Breadth I've. Even with the Christian faith. Little on again. Ways that you can see the interactions between. When I listen to anyone of any talking now like there's so much that I can see. I. Don't know share all of the backgrounds, or even some of the more literal belief they have there's there's so much beauty and so much residents and. All of the ways that these things have been formed over time. Yeah I would agree and. What a world if we could Open our eyes to that more and more that we see, so we can begin to hear these resonances. Appreciate them even in the midst of our differences. But I think that would go a long way. To! Helping US nut There's sort of reactive as you as you said. There's an edifice constructed, and you feel like if any part of that gets. Pulled out like a house of cards or You know it's all going to fall and yet. So, we relate to one another through fear and through judgment. At if if we could just. Pause that and allow ourselves to. Acknowledge and Listen to the ways that the resonances. I. I think this could. Transforming, and so I'm hopeful because I know that's happening in some. In, many ways around the world. You know you asked about. Centering prayer and sin and. I responded in a way to the emptying. I would at the same time. Not Want to take from centering prayer its. BEAUTY IN A. Practice. Utah, it's I am not I wouldn't say oh. These are the same. You know I. I think this process of emptying. There's only. Emptying into what from what I mean, there's just one. But the paths. You know they have their distinct characteristics and. I obviously have. I mean I just have these roots in Christian faith at? That show themselves in various ways, but Zinn has called my name. And so you know why that I mean. I can do no other. You know it's just. A great gift and perhaps something of a mystery. How how? I, you might ask yourself. How could we be so? Lucky. To find this path. There Times where I actually feel. It Oh this I was born. At I, don't there's nothing grandiose about that my goodness? You know we're always beginning a beginner's mind is. Just the fact. And it's shown. Moment to moment. But at the same time, it's like I I could never have imagined a life. Of such meaning and Opportunity And It's sort of infinite possibility. And in that sense, you're saying tied to your practice, yes. this particular path. That I happened you could say perhaps. You know. That was there at just the right time in the right place? I don't. I. Don't know why, but I'm just I mean. There's this Japanese poem my teacher. would quote often early on in. My practice at translation anonymous. I don't know the reason why. But Tears of gratitude fall for my eyes. Feel like that's That's a good place to wrap it up. I appreciate so much you taking the time. The first. Person Than A. or even broader Buddhist tradition. That I've been able to have on so. Value Having your perspective on that and. Thank you Justin and Somehow you know when you contacted me. Some months ago, I was traveling right. I was launched into that and this seemed so far away, and we had at the time I had no clue when this conversation would fall that it would be in the midst of social isolation. Honestly. Especial joy to. Talk to you today. Thank you very much. If you have a moment today. 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Everyday Buddhism 25 - Pureland Buddhism with Satya Robyn

Everyday Buddhism: Making Everyday Better

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Everyday Buddhism 25 - Pureland Buddhism with Satya Robyn

"<music> tom welcome to every day buddhism making every day. Better by applying the proven tools found in buddhist concepts welcome to episode twenty five of every day buddhism making every day better. I'm excited to the share the fourth in a series of episodes talking with the buddhist teachers that nat only educated me in the dharma but shaped my life for the better. One of my first teacher said everyone is your teacher because everyone is a buddha and that is true but but there are some teachers who come into your life and have a major influence on you. I'm thrilled to have another one of my teachers reverend sacha robin a priest in the immediate order joining me for this episode where we talk about how the whole of messy humanity is met by the divine when we relax our sense of control and know that life accepts us just as we are those are such as beautiful words. I know you'll delight in sach is gorgeous descriptive ways of communicating the heart heart and soul of spiritual practice buddhism pure land buddhism refuge and yes the f. word faith so here we are at episode twenty five of every day buddhism making every day better and the fourth in a series stories of episodes where i will talk with my teachers teachers that helped shape. My life is a buddhist practitioner and a better person. I think like greg creature couple the episodes ago. I may be your surprising to hear that i she. I consider her a teacher. <hes> never told her point blank but maybe hinted around a few times uh-huh <hes> so in this episode. I am talking with such a robin. Sacha is a shortened version of her full buddhist name name such vanni which means eloquent communicator of the truth. I just found that out today and researching you <hes> i i sliver chilly met sanchez a student of david brazier sense as books and teachings and as a student of the vowel twenty two who program through the immed- academy of zen therapy <hes> and as a friend of the immed- order. I don't even know about twenty two still exists but there you go hooks up plug <hes> i went on to explore her small stones writing programs and learned so much from her as has not just a buddhist teacher but a writer <hes> a writer who helps you stop and look at things around you and turn that into a buddhist practice and i found that her buddhist name eloquent communicator of the truth to be spot on actually were just talking about that in our little chat prior <hes> <hes> where she can be painfully honest in a writing and i think you will enjoy that uh sacha is for people who don't know who you are. Dr sacha is a buddhist priest to runs a pure land buddhist temple associated with the amita order in malvern in the u._k. And she runs it with her husband kosta. She's also a psychotherapist in private practice and a successful author of both fiction action and nonfiction. I don't know how she does it all but she and her husband cast but also used to run writing our way home offering mindful writing courses i. I don't think they do that anymore but it was one of the things that i so enjoyed <hes> but i have a sneaking suspicion if you ask a a sacha who she is. I suspect her answer would be that. She's an ordinary person. In fact she would probably answer that she she isn't an ordinary fullish person so in the introduction to her latest and just-released book plug unplug plug coming home refuge in pure land buddhism she puts it this way quote. I am an ever shifting mixture sure of light and dark deluded an enlightened and i know that i am acceptable. Just as i am and that you you are also a mix of awful and wonderful and you are also illuminated by the light of love so i think that from sake is a wonderful way to introduce both her and pure land would assume so welcome statue and thank such thank you for joining me and he say why judgements <unk> wonderful introduction. I can't say anything that's fat now. We're gonna we're gonna have a lot of time mm to fill them up. I'm going to ask a couple of questions and then you're up so are so how would you answer the question who who are you. I just did it for through the words of you. Are yours your own things over a buddhist priest writing a temple a psychotherapist an author people who don't know i know her as a facebook friend i know she also looks after a vegetable garden and cats and bunnies end soon soon to be a new puppy so i think she's in for so who are you. Sacha yeah start with a small question. They don't do anything easy so yes. It's an interesting question. Isn't that <hes>. I think that they're all scenes in the various things that i do <hes> so i once some poet in england cool selima hill i went on a cool ones and she said that's nipping as poet one of the by products of living as a poet is poems parents kind of salafi swath of you like and as a result o- being in relationship with the world in a particular way and and so i guess the one of the ways of looking at the different things that i do <hes> is that they're all kind of a byproduct of some <hes> central co on. I guess some some things that i brought to this world and that needs to be investigated. There's service would i'm. I think it's defined gotten. If you've heard the anger donald h yeh grazie talks about all the vying. It's like some millions of the world with <music> an everything that we do revolves around it somehow <hes> trying to work something else something three and i would have said said why the guy that might providing my my central cohen was something about us being able to tell the truth so in my books novels often foul people who are finding waves speaking. Something hasn't found a space to be heard <hes> as a therapist. I'm helping my clients to find our interest rates it or bring into it. Bring into the world's <hes> as a buddhist priest the same but i think the kobe gives you a different nonce now which is more about coming me into relationship with the divine i think wow <hes> and the the that's my job as a little may and also hopefully can help others to to do that never way <hes> wherever the divine is for them he might be the bushehr might be something entirely different wiping nature. That's that's something that the that remains important tanned. Yeah is a thread that runs through. You know that's interesting because i think that's what it for those of you who run out and get such as book. I think that's what you'll find. There is the it's sort of a it's a i. I love this kind of thing. As sort of a of a hack put myself is is the juxtaposition of like the real earthy goofy awful stuff and the divine and sacha has a wonderful way of kind an inner weaving although so much so that it's like <hes> you know there's sometimes there's no transition and i think that i think that puts the people who are very linear and you know and i mean it's like the bottom off. I'm not saying people are put off by writing. I'm saying it can be confusing to people who don't have that sense of okay. I'm just gonna you know it's like i had a friend. I introduced a book into a book to her. It was delight inside the dark. You know the book on tura yet yes one of my favorite books of all time and i introduced it to a friend who was leading workshops at a high corporate level in xerox and i told i told her that this might be a good it was the sort of the learning forum or something i forget what was called and i suggested that that might be a book that she she would never have thought of and that she could. She might try try it and she she read the book and she said oh my gosh this thing reads like a river so i think that's what i'm trying to say. They long winded that you write like a river and in and it's sorta like you know. It's not the same no matter where he is step in yet yet. It's still the river and and in unless you're willing to kind of go with it. You might get a little lost so nice. That's interesting and ye saying that makes me think of look. As i really admire i come the more you you vice yeah yeah and <hes> and richard war. I think it very well well. I remained shapiro. I really appreciate those office who are able to really bring the whole of them messy humanity to the title. Yes the messy humanity. That's the thing you do that so well. Ask the expense of yourself. Most of the vitamins wait a minute. You kind of kind of blind out what books this is now well then once you see it in writing. How does it feel for run so you know too. Many people like in the u._s. And even possibly other countries you know that sort of mix of buddhist priests and psychotherapists many they seem a bit conflicted sort of on this whole sort of realm of the messy humanity and <hes>. I think to a lot of people especially in the u._s. Where psychotherapy is little bit different than it is in the u._k. Because of the licensure and so forth and it's it's structured in such a clinical and clinical qualifications. I think the thought of a a psychotherapist and a buddhist priests might seem czar to people in our country and maybe offering so you know in episode twenty three the one before this one i talked with greg creech about buddhist psychology wiped the master of japanese psychology <hes> which was a wonderful time with him but can you talk to us a bit about being both a buddhist priest and you sort of touched on it but maybe up with more buddhist priests and psychotherapists and so for you what makes compatible it might be the divine and what is the driving influence for you serving in both of those roles great question so i came. I became a psychotherapist before i became a buddhist. I was an atheist when i when i became as like terrapin which sounds more <hes> for most people's head. I think they've the long way from that. Use your have <hes> originally. I think psychotherapy was just a way old. Follow <hes> helping people discover the truth. I guess and speak it helping people to comment relationship and i'm beginning to notice with me. What happens happens for them. Nation ship with others with the world and i did the buddhist psychotherapy training with with dhamma pitcher david brazier and that influence that was that was hugely helpful in terms of personal transformation <hes> the probably the biggest thing in by inc also that training was ski show sankara's <hes> model of the therapist krist that decline basically being someone who's low on faith and the therapist someone who has more faith. I'm still the therapist and boris percents sits with them and so some of the and find their own again and leaves at least he's that's the kind of the endpoint so says that mobile really resonated with me that that way of thinking about will appease <hes> and i think that still is probably the easiest way of speaking about the link between my book in my religious role in my work in in a road of of <hes> secular healing. I guess uh-huh is i am grounded in my faith and that allows me to be present with clients. You have lost have lost that sense of feeling held by something i space. It's possible for today's positive than to to emerge in a way that safe. That's so <hes> that's so so pure land and for we'll see we're going to go into this more but for those because i'm sure if not half more than half of the people who listen to me could never have heard of pure land buddhism latte or yeah or if they did. They may have a really strange range impression of it is so strange to be honest. I think those of russell follow it. Maybe are a bit strange. Maybe that's we can only speak for myself. I don't know the but i i i always i have the sense of my listeners but my audience grow so i don't wanna know who my listeners our but i have the sense of my listeners from the beginning inning as being way more secular because that was the sort of the hook based on the name of the podcast so i i always always try to explain things. You know probably deeper than my guess would like to go. I'm reading with you because i think that's something that's. I'm glad you said that because it's really important to me that if we use language that come over trigger for people like the f. word favor to get into cadets. I'm i've got targeted by help and it's not the f. word that people think we're talking. It's helpful to do a little bit of translation around around that so so as not to exclude people who don't feel that we're speaking about their experience is my experience of life is it's. It's the two levels the broader a tour. It's about it's a steadiness. It's a sense of things being cave. No i don't know what's going to happen. Could you know those those kinds of things that to me. That's his that's. His faith needs so yeah. That's you know so. Let's get get to a this is a great opening. We'll go into later. I think will in a little more depth of you know to plum here unless talk about up pure land buddhism sent your book is titled coming home refuge in pearland buddhism and sort of a primer or intro to pure land buddhism. You had another book about that too but we'll talk about that later. <hes> so in the west like i said i hinted at i believe it may be both the most invisible and the most misunderstood if it is. I'm the buddhist paths zen and tibetan buddhism here in the west are very well known but the practices involving <hes> mita me taba you know the boot of infinite lied however you wanna term it have been you know although prevalent in east asia and maybe widespread even in <hes> <hes> southeast asia and some in tibet because they also practice <hes> the visualization sutra and they do have a practices actresses around amata in poa and so forth so <hes> so that there is it is there but i still think it's really not a widespread knowledge so i'm gonna hit you with another toughie a two part question first. How did you find pure land buddhism a._b. How find you that's been my best question. Because most of us i interview on this. Show seemed to answer that way and next. How would you describe it as priest and a practitioner okay. So how did it find me me. As i mentioned earlier. I grew up in atheist. I'm a very <hes> self-sufficient capable confidence getting things done kind of person so i've always been very odd. That was my my security came from being able to look off the myself to they decided to do things and do them. <hes> and that worked pretty well for me for a long time and then i was in a relationship with they're an alcoholic and that pushed me to the limits of my <hes> my self sufficiency and my ability ability to handle things and i found myself in a twelve step group saw people here in relationship with alcoholics at that point. I started noticing that the people in rim who saw talking have something that i didn't have and i really he didn't know what it was but i liked it and wanted they were very <hes>. They were happy some of their lives. Lapsley chaos a horrible things happening but they were loss thing. They were happy. They were honest about themselves. They were home bo and they tool to bow golden into about higher power notes on so i didn't i was doing and and i decided to begin to trust that. They might know something. I didn't and i was told by my sponsor who was also a not. She wasn't christian but she used the word gold quite happily. She said that she used to hate. The word gold's made me feel better that made me feel more and she just showed me that the the the the most important that the wisdom that really changed ta <hes> hang from <hes> spiritual place i guess and that wasn't hey knowledge that was hard bodies whole kind of knowledge and she allowed me to she. Somehow help mate mate open lionheart to manage. I haven't seen before <hes> and that was the beginning <hes> and then you fossil which will be held on time to time when i was ready to leave that relationship and i was looking for a therapy training and i tied buddhist therapy into google and what came up was the house inaugura on pitcher david brazee's with his ex life caroline brazier and that both they used to do <hes> used to run a training program for their his <hes> they all pilates so i went the training and i was already interested in buddhism but probably more from a kind of a secular kind of you know i like the idea of a system of being enrolled at the more of more of the same who i was doing self development techniques <hes> <hes> i went to their services which they run and they were really strange. We'll roundup ribero chauncey and you you get those strange words and i just it was really odd and there was something about the people who went to the services that i recognized her nice. People in twelve steps had some things i wanted to do and so i just kept going services and i kept landing. I and my cats and my skeptical came along with me for a long time and slowly relaxed. I was grabbed by anita. He died by by whatever it is that we're in relationship with and you as as a practitioner and a priest. Do you see those roles as differerent or do you see them more like you know like what you said about psychotherapy is that you're just you're there as a model of having face and and and those who need it can borrow it you know or learn from it is or do see those. Do i mean that's kind of you. You know it's complex question and i'm not sure even i'm getting the group of it here but i have an idea. I have something in my mind that you know. I've always thought that you know practitioners shinners in in in in the bright dawn school of oneness buddhism reverend troy okubo say always that those of us is teachers. Our the goal is to strive to be perfect students. <hes> i love <hes>. I wonder how you see that you know. Priests slash practitioner practitioner yeah. That's interesting <hes>. I i think the as a priest they're all some different brin roles and responsibilities are parts of the kind of the job description <hes> <hes> so when i'm being practitioner i just get to really shy and i get just you know mike and mike stuff. I want to express justin's brexit. Whatever when i'm in the role of priest i'm aware that people oh mates meet be right <hes> <hes> i'm standing in for something by on on just shoving having people safi. I guess yes so that that turgeon <unk> part right is the not just an intangible alos a. b. sacha but i'm just as an example. If i'm if i'm being practitioner i i i'm not i'm in the sharing circle soap nope about some if i'm if i'm by finding the priest you won't do that. I might i might well up desk some some emotion but i'm not going to completely break down. Also it depends on who's in the sack. Absolutely i've got an extra an extra such responsibilities abilities when i'm in that role as priest and i only see that road is i'm the one who happens to be wearing the verb could could play that role over this this <hes> this whole saddleworth expectations and responsibilities a bit like being mom gas. It's bit like being anything we put on all these even though we're we're trying to get rid of that self identification as buddhist noticed right we put on all these different <hes> play these different parts yeah and and you know when you're my mom you can't fall apart art and when you're a weenie depends on it depends on your children and how they are going person. Please kind the making those judgments which we wouldn't be making if we were out with friends or whatever yeah so so in a way it's the same just satuev ranko <hes> mhm. I am conscious of having different hats on different people at different times. That's cool <hes> <hes> another question yeah no totally did and here's another two part question and then i promise i'll stop with these two parties but you go to the composer last month but never mind. How would you describe this. Is peter lump them. Oh yeah you're right here. You're doing better than me. I back yeah. I 'cause i said what did you you know yeah. What is purely buddhist well. You can do that here because my next question. Russian can can kind of lead into that 'cause i was gonna say. Can you say more about the practice of the boot. Sou- which is the practice it one of the main if not v. made practice <hes> but it's one of the practices of a pure land buddhism in for those of you're going to tell them more but i'm just going to give a sneak peek <hes> saying the name of amita buddha is is the number two. We're actually just saying the name aim of boots who expressed in six syllable typically japanese phraseology nama will mean a buddha or sanskrit is namo namo buddha and there's all different ways korean and chinese and so forth and you guys do it a little differently again you take the now mood blue and make it now mo <hes> and then you take the su- off of it and just do namo amita boop a net sort of peculiar particular particular to the immed- order so can you say more about this practice nan then you can then talk about pure land buddhism wraps us and that will link back to that question. We forgot yeah so i want the whole history appeal but his six people can come and look out there interested but writing the central practice for as you say repeal boost is embedded sue numbers. Let's you maine's remembering the buddha and names powerful. When somebody says all name precarious out from you're like ooh <hes> well when someone says the word chocolates slug named the powerful they already unconscious something of the objects for us so but in the most powerful object is putin on the most powerful names good his name so one way of bring the bitter is to say the buddhist name and what i love about puritanism is it simplicity is is available to anybody regardless of how much time they have available how clever they are how ethical life is and anybody can say mamduh and insane the name even if we don't understand what's happening fine where opening little portal between us and the the loves on compassion and wisdom of the john and even if we don't really know what butcheries still wax it's one of those mysterious things that it it it it it creates <unk> connection and different people of course different religions dude i in different ways pure numbers to by saying the name of the book <hes> so the the services that we run here in the templar actually quite complicated japanese so redo bowing and there's lots of ritual literally jay will that kind of stuff some but really none of that is important. The only important thing is that we open a hall to be influenced by laugh of what he wants us out. Can you send then dig deeper into for those who don't no no we said we can make certainly can look it up but this amita might be throwing people off. If people are all right <hes> the when so when we say the buddha what people usually mean when we say the shock you muni buddha who lived in india two and a half years ago became lights and and <hes> i made a mythical existed a long long time before chapman buddha and jackie many buddha told oh the story of mita to his attendant and and there were lots of elements of the story of very similar sorry amita producers who also began his life as a prince who was very sort of privileged and met an enlightened beings by inspired by i wanted to become enlightened himself and then vowed that he would he would do that he would perfect checked himself in order to help all living beings and <hes> so there's a whole kind of mythical story or you can see medical. You can see as having having actually happened to <hes> but it's it's really it's. It's a way of it's a way of describing driving a reality that people experience i would say ooh religious stories as ways of talking about things already <unk> who will yes and and go ahead and exploring things difficult about being inspired my exactly exactly. I was just gonna what i was going to say. It's the that story <hes> it's what i think turned my head in and and made me more of a well. There's another story too and i'm going to tell later and we're going to ask about another thing but the the story that in in in the sutra that were referring to there's a little part of the sutra little mini part a little breakout part referred to as the ambu gay or ten boots gang saying <hes> and it is the most beautiful thing in the world in my opinion <hes> because what it's talking about i think think in essence is what you were describing about what you saw in the people in the twelve step program and then again and a media this thing the radi man and you wanted that and the two kemba those who gave the samboja gay is that story and it's a universal star. It'll seem all mythical and weirded out to people people who are used to not reading stuff like that especially if they read it in the in in in sort of the whole larger pure land sutra. It's really an amazing acing experience. If you wanna take the dive but that just that that part where you're inspired by something you see in someone's on space that you admire yeah. It's it's like love but better right. Yeah you radian fakes. Thanks yeah you're ready. Yes last of morning brighter than the sun right yes right and different translations but we united we know the story. We know the structure. We have different translations. I studied both translations. 'cause i studied in about twenty two with your with your home tonight so but but not spots on it and and you know i think although this sounds all spiritual mystical mystical and mulu for somebody who's coming at it from a secular perspective. This is no different than admiring someone and trying to be more likes like some right what and an for the better of yourself and that is kind of catching. I always i think confectionaries percent say says <hes> immediate catches you or something like that. I think he uses the phrase. I can't remember it exactly but i love it. Why forget the does he use something like that. Yeah you're not you're yuda. You're caught by amita or something like that <hes> so but as some listeners i probably don't know there's a pluralism within pure land thought was just like there is within you know everybody thinks there's like one buddhism like i i did this podcast at what the what does buddhism say about and and my answer was the answer was maybe because his it really there are so many lineages schools traditions and hanging up on the culture. There is no one thing you can point doc to and say okay. This is absolutely buddhism and this is absolutely not but just like to betton buddhism with like five different schools. There are multiple schools within in pure land thought and practice including not just the followers of honan which is sort of what you follow where the joe shoe <hes> but the followers of shimron which is where i sorta got hooked <hes> which is joe toshikatsu. I don't think it's a huge difference. I think it's like <hes> very subtle. Title and most people wouldn't even notice it but it does. It's all founded on like no matter how big of a demo q._r. This is okay. This is a thing you can do you know because an american term. I refer something else i don't know but you you can do this to to win. It'll work for you. <hes> so the amita order is a pure land or jodo shoe based order correct. I think we'd probably say that. We're inference by by who and on children yet because you do talk about shimon maybe be more hunting but the the does influences from rebecca's beppo great feeling teaches yeah great and you know as you know i'm affiliated with the bright on center of buddhism which is a nonsectarian carrying presentation and so we don't like say were aligned with anything in particular officially aligned with that with a hit you aren't either ask emphasizes more the individual spiritual growth as an and we don't really have liturgy. We don't have priests. We're all just a bunch of bumblers i guess and but it but it does have its origins in the broader mahayana traditions yet japanese unease mahayana tradition of both shin and zen so i come to this from a shinzan perspective but i remember when i was first introduced to russian school of buddhism <hes> actually my first introduction was through the writings of your teacher david brazier yeah <hes> i was at a bookstore. This was <hes> i was practicing tibetan buddhism at the time and actually <hes> in a <hes> dragoon congo kogyo <hes> school here in <hes> was is a center right here in rochester and i practiced with them as a member of their song <unk> actually taught buddhism basics for awhile but i was in a bookstore back when we had bookstores right on the edge in a bookstore one of the bigger ones like borders or barnes and nobles or something and i was of course in the buddhist section and this book fell down and it was the feeling buddha oda okay i am so i picked it up. I thought the feeling buddhist started looking through that that book had a significant again impact on me and was instrumental to my spiritual path and i had it fell down at the same time i had started started studying the larger pure land sutra a because i was turned onto it by an another a british teacher at i forget where it was from. I found a podcast or were. They didn't call them podcast. I found some teaching then and so i was all in this sort of the thing that was happening to me and i've always thought it was a meet a bop-in me over the head and but it was instrumental to my spiritual pass it in a huge way so what booker particular teaching his head data sort of mcewen ahead influence on your life in in question wow. I don't tend to live with his books like quest confession. I love app. <hes> you know this obviously lots of wonderful teachers out that but the books that have really changed me tends to be a <hes> christian books because the christian books talking about something i reading recognizes appear on buddhist yes christian mysticism right sort of breath mysticism actually across the boards. You know roomy right. I think that i think the mystical edges of all traditional religions on rejoins jones towards <hes> so is an example interesting bookshelf now so this is one of my favorite books of all time which is written by quaker on holding out but began on see no no it is well. Please do so a testament to of a testament devotion by thomas <unk> which is just his description of being in connection with the divine yeah they'll say brother lawrence <hes> oh yeah richie richard rohr yeah you're hitting my favorite kind of rights a twelve step the <hes> big book of a pattern has a big effect so main basically does the same thing so i guess there was there was a buddhist book for the the knocked me onto the buddhist path which was <hes> zen mind the zen mind beginner's mind signed yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that was also very important important and that she was able to biography of suzuki regime yeah oh well well. That's great but yeah yeah because then it felt like her reading met him somehow yeah. I liked that so for me. I kind of fall in love with his head over heels. The only thing that i just full completely enough for them and i think i just the best and enter into quite intense relationship asian shipping and then i saw you know a bit cooler in realized the perfect but gentleman may often reading law recently. He writes out diction grace yeah i could. I couldn't choose one. I think his my show on no but that's really good because it actually it hits me i before i well. I was still discovering my buddhist self back. You you know i toyed with buddhism when i was a kid and then left it and you know the long story short <hes> i when i came back to it i came back to the christian mystics in a big way and unlike meister eckart and <hes> and the and the desert fathers and reserve of yeah and they they had a huge influence on me and then and so there was always a conquer at passo. I still feel they kinda always like bright there. Now we when it but it was the feeling buddha i introduced me to that feeling truly felt sense of other power are which we really haven't talked about or regency and something beyond myself something bigger than me in didn't really attached me to a face that i saw on my mother who was christian and that i never actually had because i i guess i was just to <hes> contradictory and intellectual or something at you know what you do but i didn't even know what other power was at the time i just felt it in that book it you know the feeling and i think that's what captured me and but like you know like honan and shimmeran at the time i was struggling with right practices being being in tibetan tradition i was going through and i don't know if you know anything about this but i was going through noon. Grow which is this intense practice of hundred thousand prostration than offerings and you've probably heard it and i was feeling overwhelmed exhausted and defeatist and so i really identify with own children because that's how i and my tibetan teacher who is still my friend <hes> and i had him on this series too. I he seemed to think it was the noon grow that brought me to my right practice and and was doing so in other words. I that was all self power that was jury and then then the other powers to riki <hes> so so this all long story short and we won't get into the other parts of powerless you want to go there a little bit but at least me to the word refuge which he has at central actual place in your writing in this specially and it's a key concept in that book coming home so what is refuge sacha gotcha well. I think it's one of those words when we speak it. The we know i think people know what refuges and i think that people will say no that some rush each is better for us than others hm that we all take refuge in things like television and trashing holes and gossiping the kinds of things so the which which go from scattered if you know a bit too much chocolate all the way to her in addiction and the violence and we will take refuge in order to feel safe areas to be alive and we do things in go places and manipulate the world in order to trying to feel safe <hes> and when we are seeking refuge with being driven by kind of quivering israel talks about that kind of quivering restlessness <unk> on so refugees anything that makes us feel safe but buddhists would say that there are only three refugees the all safe the permanent and they are relationship with her relationship with the buddha's teachings. It's my honor relationship with the community and the those three are the only wreckages the overnight everything else. Susan prominent is <hes> is unreliable in we might be able to get it to stink for why we worked pretty hard to manipulate things but as that's a that's an inevitability of to the disintegration refuge and as pure bruce we add in all school we <music> absopure and we add to that list of three and we also have the pure land which is the place where he lives this any of these influence so have fielded influence sick coming into refugees coming into relationship with these findings and do you you feel in your personal experience as a practitioner the pull of one of the three treasures more than the other nice last question i fail emotional kind of rush will bush more from songa from when i when i threw three people people connect me to the quite quite often connects with the three people through nature actually maybe we cleared in some got some house the sanger the the natural world <hes> and i will say i arena connecting with with yeah yeah <hes> so at the beginning we mentioned <hes> that pure land buddhism was understood in we circled around the f word and i think that's another concept we need to go back and clear up a little bit <hes> <hes> you know we talked at the beginning that it's nice nice to sort of introduce concepts but take months deeper that might have introduced some confusion so i think the concept of refuge that we're talking about is sort of at the heart of the misunderstanding of pure land buddhism in some ways because i think it is even though we all have refuge. Nobody don't think thinks of it. A a person who has no faith is agnostic atheist would think of the refuge we're talking about as blind faith or possibly even worship of the buddha or or a mystical kameda no when i speak with secular audiences or people who come to me who want to understand more about about buddhism i typically used the word confidence in talking to the more so audiences. It leaves me cold old in some ways because i don't think faith has i mean confidence. Has that heart thing that i don't know how to describe evident than the heart thing. Okay <hes> so i also use the word faith now it. When i get to know who i'm talking to then i can tell how far i can go one way or the other but the thing about it is is what i always try to explain to people in in that as we all have faced and like you said we all take refuge agents. We all have phasing something like we have faced. The sun's gonna come up every morning and then there's gravity keeping us from flying away into space the <unk> the seller will be under our feet when we stepped out mom and that faith is just faith is not blind faith. I don't know why we always have to say blind faith. It's fan and so to me. Faith in buddhism is the cornerstone of my life. <hes> the the promises of buddhism can be proved by doing buddhism right. You're but you'll have to sort of do it. You can't expect we talk about like a media guide us and all that stuff but you sort of have to start somewhere you take that first step somehow and you know you have to have some first of all aw belief or faith that if you take it for step is going to pay off all right so that takes having having someone or something a teacher a book or something that demonstrates its benefits. That's sort of like the tembu again something that shines shines edison says hey this could work. You said what it was for. You in the beginning was being part of their services when you were there learning psychotherapy but what was you know and you've said they had something they had something. What was it that they a hair. They gave you faith yeah yeah. I think that when we get to this kind mind very rates were language sauce failing. Absolutely that's why i gave you the question <hes> i'm i completely completely agree with what you just said and i think that's <hes> i think that's why it can be more helpful all to just give aw- analytical brains just awesome to step back for a little while and into just go with the experience say saints as an experiment and if you meet someone and you kind of think oh this class and <hes> shiny and they seem to lock hello and enjoy life and i wonder what it is that they've got just hang out with them and you'll find out yes the austin to explain it because i wouldn't get very fall because this is beyond language. This is beyond <hes> beyond intellect elect yes. It's that explaining that gets us into the all that trouble you know where we start disagreeing with. Everybody and we have you know it was. Was it category where she said we have to say something. We have to say something. I've just written a whole book. Yes and there's quite a few pages ages are looking at it now and holding it up myself and there's quite a few pages that talk about fades national that we have we have to try and say something thing and <hes> the best way. I think to investigate these things. If there is a little party that's kind of failing curious that just go along to something. Try and try and listen to the universes whispering ignore it and just become open to being led light light you lead when the book it was quite close on the floor in front of you but the funny thing is whenever i tell this story i actually just put it back and then i started walking to get the book that i was originally looking for and then my my my subconscious or whatever for over road my intellectual linear brain is at you better look at that. We're back to find it. Beautiful example becoming oaten the power is thinking about on the power is is something is beyond us right it bigger than us it nice better than we do and oh. My god is hard for me to take it's hard. It's hard. It's hard to take in but boy. It's an experience that once you've had taste of it so much more you get very rarely ventured. It's such a relief. I don't know everything in con- control the roles right at at some days. It's a relief days. It really bugs me and that's why i think the appeal buddhism is such a hard sell in it was we have been brought up. <hes> being told the way to be happy is to control ourselves all cells into control our environments in order to get something and actually my experiences as the opposite. It is really hard to go. If you the way you've stayed safe for unite in what sorry to read god i love it needs to people who are coming to the templates basics knee. I'm in control as you were and i'm wigging to ask you to lean back into something that you don't even know it exists on us exactly i i use i use i use that symbolic a symbol all the time the metaphor of where you fall back into someone's arms 'cause you that what that little practice you do with teams and stuff which is so silly really after awhile because you know there's always gonna be somebody there but the big thing is when you don't know there's going to be somebody there and that's what we're talking about. That's what for me. Religion spiritual spiritual practices such personal thing that we can never presume to know what will announce his experience. Isn't it so important that people go out there in pace that greenness skeptical long about causal seventy welcome and they you know that just take little tiny steps and curiosity. I love that you said that is like go at your own pace and bring your skeptical parts. That's so wonderful because very welcome because you know people do ask a lot. You know i have this facebook group that i launched off my podcast and i know you're a facebook person. So you know how this goes. Sometimes you get overwhelmed with a bunch of little questions agents at <hes> and you wanna take a ton of time to answer a proper way but you don't have a ton of it so you don't quite know how to answer but so so many times it's what how should i start. You know practice. That's such a tough question. <hes> and i always say sort of like you just start art. Where you feel called start. Were in were like makes you feel happy inside. You know don't start where someone told you you should interest trust yourself and sometimes you do need to go the uncomfortable guinea to go into the uncomfortable so he's no fills gray but bit. You need to somehow feel safe enough to do what's right because you can't always just plunge into twenty minutes of meditation. You know that's what everybody thinks and then then everything that's going to be okay. The world's gonna open up and your microphone so you know that's. I'm gesturing wildly here so all right so can you tell us another another thing <hes> and this is a plug for another one of your books more about being just as you are because this is a typical theme in orlando buddhism talk about it in here in this book but also you have a whole book that you co wrote with your husband casa called just as you are buddhism for foolish beings. What does is just as you are. Indicate yeah so haba but ov- infinite light is known us being the buddha of all acceptance so when we say the name of me to bhutan reconnecting with the quality of a <hes> being who is able to see inside us and see exactly why we do the things doing and really gets it really really gets that the things that we do however harmful they are to others are driven by fear driven by retightened asian and top really feels for us really gets it and really feels for us and accept that that's how we all and that's what we're doing so so that it's it's almost impossible to imagine but it's it's that as an absence of judgment and yeah and the idea is that when we come into relationship with something that is not judging us but failing warm towards us and i often see a major with a kind of a wry smile owner. She urged again during nothing that really many of the statues when you have that smile that play fun. Da vinci does a very good roy smile. It's kind of that phones. Roy smiles <hes> <hes> when we come in tonight energy when we bathe in the energy. We want to be bets on. We know that we're seeing. We know that we're getting it wrong. We i just want to beat vets that is much more healing than coming into relationship with something that says you shouldn't be doing who i don't like that they do you should do you should be different so perfect so perfect. It's like yeah. That's why it really ballots me. Sometimes that people come to buddhism specially newcomers to buddhism carbonate they think of the you know the the the freedom freedom vows and the precepts and may stay focus so much on what they're not supposed to do and you shouldn't do that and judging others for doing that that they're missing off. It's good all the good stuff you know. That always bothers me. If they're clearing union yeah could ah the top marks who want to the achiever enemy disease that he saves the <unk>. Some of that might vatian doing that. Stuff is really selfish. I think a lot of ways most of it is you could be the best buddhist ever yeah so that's really important parts of being appeared on but this is about knowing on some level. I'm accepts it just as i am even if i don't feel being very much exactly and that's what i wished that would that's why was pure was more in the mainstream because it would make such a difference thank for people if if they wanna titians would be able to kind of say made a mistake that can i just make here. She's really good point. That's a thing we have forbid. We hold any you know we can't we hold everybody up up as some sort of spectacle as perfection and then when they blow it. We're all over them that they're not perfect. You know it's amazing if we could just all open up and say okay. We're all a bunch of jerks and someone loves us anyway right league each other in that way we frequently in. I know we only have a little more time. I don't know if you have like a couple of minutes left but <hes> i wanted to just mention mindful writing the practice of small stones because it was another of the things that attracted me to you as a teacher if you will <hes> i think it's a practice so many of us could benefit from specially in this sort of <hes> mick mindfulness culture. Were every you know mindfulness as on on every street corner every every book every everywhere. It's all about mindfulness. There's nothing wrong with that. I like it. I'm not criticizing it but <hes> <hes> i think just listening and seeing and experiencing and then trying to get it written in down in like five words or something is is such a profound experience it to me. It's less like writing and more like spiritual took practice <hes>. Can you send anything about that that would and i know you don't run those workshops anymore so we'll have to give them a place to go but hey can. You say anything about the small stones yeah. They small stein's is as he say it's like salima health <unk>. It's the by cordect of paying proper attention to the world so we pay proper attention. We open nola sentences and then we try and describe what we've experienced. I'm i spoke to damage belts. It last year could go. I said i have this theory that may be small stains were when embassy and he agreed <hes> the very way of of of cooling out reaching out to the world of the world's reaching reaching back will be met by the world so it's it's again it's just a little stitch awakening <unk> channel between us in our small whittles back skin and everything and and it so easy to reach each appoint where we've protected ourselves so much that we just need just not in touch with it anymore and the little things we contagious due to just opened ourselves off of this bit help us to to to connect back. That's wonderful you brought it even deeper and broader than i hadn't even thought you know beyond mindfulness and into the reaching out and being held and the greater connection action <hes> that's the inner connection if you will that you know you're nature point of buddhism a major tenet of buddhism if you will so that's wonderful wonderful and is a great place to end because in this interconnected world where we're gonna end with us just little small stone. That's what we're going to end so sacha was so wonderful for you to agree to be on this podcast today. It's it's i. I will put your book <hes> <hes> links on my website <hes>. I'll probably have to put feeling boot up there since i gave it such a big plug to. I don't want to one that we recommend commend people read i if they're interested in indulges writing good good yeah definitely and by the way that was part of our curriculum in bright on the feeling yeah and and david brazier sense a talk to our class <hes> so that's how i i can have some nice links. We have fun. We use the <hes> jamaica abrasive. Tom brady at kim. We use the book sometimes in also cool oh running all his his his his a break on where he was talking about running by the lake <unk> enough n._f._l. Shop in yeah it is. It's it's absolutely it's great. It's beautiful so thank you so much such a pleasure to have view here <hes> and hopefully we can all talk again. <hes> in it'll be wonderful. Thank you can deep bow and he said what she's a real privileged to to have this conversation and opens things up. You feel like you'll be so things. We've talked about spending around the rim right. Now i'm in here. That's it for today's episode. Thank you for joining me as promised i will post links to such as books coming home refuge huge in pure land buddhism and just as you are buddhism for foolish beings and also dharma video david braziers book book the feeling buddha which we discussed in this episode i will also post links to the amita mandela buddhist temples website and facebook group where where you can learn more about pure land buddhism the amita order and even joined virtual practices as always thanks to everyone who listens subscribes rates and reviews the podcast comments on my website or the public facebook group and also obviously thank thank you so much for donating to help keep the contact content written produced and distributed. You know i'm still thinking of more ways for us to to connect our private facebook book. Study group is is going right now and it's a bit a wonderful experience with lots of sharing so that initiative was a success. I hope to soon introduce a zoom video hang out or sanga where where we can discuss our practices and serve as supports to each other meanwhile. I'm hard at work on my book making every day. Better everyday buddhism tips and tricks applying the buddhist four noble truths in eightfold path to everyday life. I hope to have that published and available by early early to mid summer and i will keep you posted so until next time. Keep making your everyday's better.

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