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296   Turning Plastic Waste Into Vanilla

Talking Biotech Podcast

29:33 min | 3 months ago

296 Turning Plastic Waste Into Vanilla

"Turn welcome talking biotech podcasts. Weekly about agriculture and medicine within emphasis on biotechnology and the good things we can do for people and the planet. My name's kevin full professor on the podcast host of a life on a farm but one of the things i'm most interested in is science communication. And how we can better share the really cool stories that science gives us and we say that this is all about agriculture and medicine but it's about conservation and it's about a lot of other issues than just agriculture medicine. One of which is maybe environmental remediation. And maybe coming up with new products through through novel. Biotechnological means and this one is a great story. They were speaking with. Dr joanna sadler. She's a bbs are discovery fellow and group leader at the university of edinburgh in edinburgh scotland. So welcome to the podcast. Dr sadler i let it's. It's really great that you're here. I thought the story was fantastic. And i won't give away the punchline just yet but could you start out by talking about really. What is the solution to two problems. First let's talk about vanilla and vanilla kind of a strange plant because it's important for flavorings and high in demand but has very vulnerable supply chain and so can you tell us a little bit about vanilla. That's right sir. As as you're probably aware of numerous stuff that we like to bake with Fade in its ease. Lofton all sorts of feeds flavorings applications. Say natural in the natural world to nil is actually produced by a Pump from the family and is actually extracted. The molecule is extracted from these plants and sold across the world for these flavoring applications. The problem with it is the demont fifth. Nila is now absolutely huge. In fact it's about twenty thousand tonnes every single year. And there's just no way that we can meet this vast amount with them extracting the flavorings out of these plants and this is partly due to the price of this natural vanilla being extremely high because the way in which is extracted and the security the harvest changes quite look so the size of the harvest can change jagna. this could well be impacted by global warming at. There's actually no theft of Because they're so valuable. I do this with premature harvesting Very variable yield and a very variable an amount of the coming which could address this huge amount on this podcast. We did an episode back in. I don't know maybe episode. One fifty two with dr alan chambers. Who is one of my former students who went on to big things and he's actually working on trying to grow vanillin florida and he mentioned that one of the other big problems is that most of it comes from madagascar which is subject to all kinds of weird political and other supply chain disruptions internally so oh and also the flower is really difficult. I guess to pollinate and and so. There's all kinds of botanical and political barriers to this really important compound. So what are some of the ways that people have tried to mitigate the disruption in supply one of the main things and we have done is actually to find other ways to make the main chemical responsible for the characteristic taste and smell of and not molecules could win so there have been a lot of different methods to synthesize that chemically from other pre cusses. Not not being but other feedstocks and the most common of which is using synthetic chemistry Petrochemical supplies this approach makes up about eighty five percent of demand. That's really interesting so it starts out with petrochemical so at least in the old days right. Well we'll get to that in a minute but that's really an interesting thing. I didn't know that so when you make a vanilla synthetically. Is that done through genetic engineering. Staffers that just a straight synthetic step using a petrochemical precursor citizenship. Another different ways. He can do this. And it's quite an active area of research but the mice weather stop streets in the way that is currently scaled up. A nice didn't actually operates in five months across the world in china. What the us one fronts actually stocks from phenyle which is derived from petrochemicals and they synthesize it through a series of chemical steps and an crystallization destination at the end to access the the final product. Having said that by technologically rates and a couple of these actually now been commercialized in scaled up as well so you can actually take the synthetic by synthetic gene cluster from example east e. coli and get them to make it in in exactly the same way which is from verdict acid in. But if you do that. Those vanilla vanilla product ice cream or whatever does that require special labelling especially in the eu yes. It's this is a really interesting area. There's a huge amount of regulation of the terminology that can be used these flavorings and whether they are natural or synthetic and if that's the Logical or not and is quite tech titan tightly regulated cypher. Something to be sold is natural vanillin. It has got to be an isolated extracted from the punt and that is much much more expensive. It is legal to use synthetic vanillin for food. Applications very carefully regulated. The purity is too high enough for it to be safe for consumption and but is a lot cheaper to buy the natural. Say it's about ten to twenty dollars per kilogram of the citizens Whereas the puff from the national villain is many thousands of on his And vanillin it shows up in places that we don't normally expect so what are some of the more unusual less obvious places where vanilla flavor shows up. Yes i guess it's nice common and application sixty percents Foods but yet does it does come up on all sorts of other places as well interested in cosmetics main one end it comes in a lot of fumes. Smells quite sweeten creamy sent so. It's very company founded in perfumes Pet products is also interestingly used in pharmaceuticals and as a bulking agent because it stayed on toxic. It's also used as a food additive. Some situations as well because it has antimicrobial antifungal properties. Which make it useful. Bulking agent with these nice additional properties. I once found vanilla toothpaste brushing your teeth with frosting. It seemed like a big wasn't working. Well we frame this problem with not enough vanilla and alternative sources of creating vanillin. This precursor that has synthetic flavor. Now we've got another problem and that's the problem of plastic waste so i think most of us are kind of familiar with that but could you give us a little back of the envelope. Sketches to how bad this problem really is. It's a big problem. That was a fascinating study out a couple of years ago with a look to the production and the fate of all. The plastic is made a they as this was fairminded years ago. They estimated eight point three million metric tons of Plastics ever been produced in order time active. That's about six point. Three million tons of plastic waste of actually being discarded Nonfederal polluting Whatever so this is a huge scale issue an affable pasta. Any nine percent of this is being at recycles and say the vast majority of this is just is just policing opponent who being incinerated of ac- is is good issues associated with it and patent. Take you know what we focused on in this study pet. The plastic point tirtha late last the plastic that we used to make a plastic bottles for example and simmons who is designed to be single use. So there's this vast accumulation of post consumer plastic waste building up by the landfill Nations is seen on the news and actually an eighty percents of plastic. Bottles are estimated not to get recycled and they think about twenty four million liters of oil is needed to produce these billions of often that using it yet so as ridiculous process with wrenching up oil turning into something we use once and the discounting into this closing prominent. And so i think as a lot of opportunity to rethink the way that we manage these resources. Yeah i heard Doctor joe schwarz. And i don't know if you know dr joe schwarz. But he's the leader of the mcgill university Science in society outreach program and he was saying on his show that to make a one liter bottle of water requires about ten liters of water. So so here's this process that's wasteful. It's polluting its single use. Which drives me crazy. And so this is up in so polyethylene tariff eilly this is a problem and also lack of vanilla. So how did you propose to solve both problems at one time. Well i thought. I thought it'd be a great idea too many traumatic Out of pet plastic as An impulse is to demonstrate that we should really start thinking of pets as a result of not just a waste product. We need to get rid of and it seemed like the perfect target because in itself as appropriate as well as i thought. Let's try solve problems with with wednesday. Should you know you're the best. I i just love the story because it makes me so happy so any other word that you used in your paper was upcycle. Yes yes so. You're so you're not just recycling bad plastic. You're something better. Say the thing with plastic recycling as it stands. I mean i didn't situation in the states but in the u. k. We send out pet bottles recycling and they tend to strengthen down the meltdown reformed them into second generation nuts but these materials off to the east lose about ninety five percent of that any so. We're seeing massive drop in the value of materials without a life cycle which seems like that terrible waste and i just think that must be scraped to actually up instead of recycling dementia. Upcycle maintain some of the fat life cycle awesome. So we're talking with dr john adler and she's a bbs rc. Discovery fellow and a group leader at the university of edinburgh and edinburgh scotland. And we're talking about turning plastic into vanilla with a really cool synthetic biology approach. This is talking about podcast and we'll be back in just a moment Be birthday to the bar. Podcast will spawned and twenty fifty here on the joe rogan experience. rogan suggested. That would be a decent podcast host and viola. Here we are six years later. One hundred and ninety some episodes and approaching one point five billion downloads richard. What joe rogan gets today but hey this is ended audience. See monkeying with the friends of life to accomplish new feats in health and food. Security is just the tip of the iceberg. Today's topics could not even be predicted. Back in the days of biotechnology yarn front of the talking bio will keep you at the cutting here all asian now back for episode on the contemplated putting a lid on the theory that would pressure from employers to stop and weekly podcast. Who different commitment. So the internal in turn. Podcast seem to be coming mold. Podcasts with similar followings have major production and surging optimization specialists not talking by bog. We decided to continue to move on once the future. No-one incite violence. Keep getting better. four. We'll continue this critical conversation looking road some listeners. People like you that are willing to learn more and ensure the beautiful stories of scientific innovation with all the you for your loyalty now forward into years. Now we're back on the talking by type podcasts. We're speaking with dr joanna sadler. She's a bbs rc discovery. Fellow and group leader at university of edinburgh and this week had a really cool paper. Come out and what was the paper published published in green chemistry from the royal society of chemistry green chemistry. First time i ever read a paper in that journal so it didn't. It didn't come to me right away but this is it. This is the kind of thing that makes me so excited. Because here i've been doing this bio technology podcast for seven years and her six years and we're in our seventh year as of today. Oh yeah hey happy birthday to me and and what's really cool about. This is that back when i started. We were talking about virus-resistant. Papayas and tomatoes tasted better but the science is only gotten way cooler and and really is exciting. So let's continue from where we left off you're making vanilla flavoring from pt bottles. So do you just take a plastic bottle and throw it into a digesting vanilla out the other side or you know what is the step prior to introducing it to the system. Yes so it's not far off that. I did actually take a Bustled off the streets in entered refugees. Experience you can genuinely use any But before you just put the bottle into the the system you have to prepare it for the reaction and mainly just increasing Area it will just break down a little bit quicker single to do that do that. You just have 'em heated up so you can heat up to two hundred nine hundred degrees off now after which becomes really office and you can actually just grind up using a passenger motor and to to an ice fine powder. And then that's what we put into the reaction to that into so the fence step is he needs to deport him or is it to release building blocks and the week tennis building blocks into an okay. When you deep is what do you. D preliminary is it into so deep. Memorize it into the two and building block molecules Or and the other one is called ethnic like and to do that. We used an enzyme to make this cookley biological process so this was an enzyme that was published in a couple of years ago. and it. it's a really officiant enzyme. Full and degrading pets directly into these two building blocks then as the ethylene glycol is used in industrial practices. Well or is that us also just as some sort of metabolite by calling. It can be metabolite That something that i'd like to feature work is to engineer a strain which can actually use that as a cop insoles whilst up cycling tirtha lights. And we haven't gotten into that yet but that's that's a fusion action for us and so at the moment we didn't use ethylene glycol into this and it is important about chemically enright. Right is the basis of You know many different reactions but also You know a car radiator coolant in vehicles. It's a very important industrial chemical so the other component here is tara valley. And are you just giving this e. coli having them produce vanillin out the other side or you know what are some of the catalytic steps that need to happen in between yes Doesn't naturally express the enzymes. Which would do this chemistry Officially introduce them into our is that they would take the tara tara satellites and Sititi that we have introduced full novel enzymes into the system and which will known ready from other of the pathways Said the fest is adopted. Today's which introduces two hydroxy groups. The magic ring. Anez a dehydrogenation Makati three to the key. Intermediate witches and an actual product could party. Kathy great an fernandez just two more exotic steps missile transfers and a couple of silica duck days to get three to the final product. An bananas actually quite toxic to kinda without points e. coli as she spits out to the south to try and relieve this talks. I see so. I guess the other question is these. Aren't the enzymes from the vanilla. Bean are they these. This is not the natural synthetic pathway. So the natural by synthetic possibly Through using other enzymes these enzymes which took from other species Actually from an three different species. Put them all into one ak myself tonight. This happen okay. And so all the steps happened. Essentially sequentially but Concurrently you have all four expressed in the same cell and the substrates. Just move from one to the next until you get vanillin on the end right. That's right yeah exactly well. That's really cool so so this is a really nice example of synthetic biology isn't it. What does that really mean yes. Invitee biology is essentially just rationally engineering violatile systems before whatever designed function. You interested in to do this. We tend to think of while. Ajay is a defined set of pots. Once you understand what is party you can. You can combine them in rational ways today. Interesting things so. In this case we needed host organism which is to be equalized need some enzymes today. The chemistry As just mentioned an need some bits of dna which struck the fight to ten dies kites enzymes into the actual enzymes themselves. I once you understand what was the contents of the actual chunks of dna. The need is just a case of designing new dna in something and feeding it to the team the rest. It's really cool How efficient is the process are do you really use all of that original tariff phthalate or how was how efficient is this and does the e. coli essentially drown in. Its own. a you know toxic. Vanillin say the first thing. I'd say is that this is distinct fast. Study into the. We just wanted to get the process working. We did do a little bit of optimization to get his fishing is we could under the current conditions so that the minute working about eighty percent conversion from tariff a venezuelan easing easing. His condition says is pretty efficient but the properly we have at the moment is we cont increased concentration of tara phthalate too high off the whole system down. So that's something that we need to look at the future intensive the vitamin kind of killing whole process. That is actually a problem. Said one thing we did was. We looked at ways to actually pull the vinit announced with the system as it was being made using include in situ product from evil. So you basically put in another type of solvents on organic solvent which is really hydrophobic and it pulls out Hydrated molecules into that kind of sequestered the villain in a different part of the reactions base to the kenai and it mitigates talk society through during one. Yeah this is super cool. I really wanna change my major chemistry now but it's a little late. So so what's next. I mean if you can do polyethylene bottles into vanilla flavor is there anything else that you can convert that plastic to that is a useful compound that we may use yet. There's lots of things. I've got lots of ideas Talk molecules at the top secret. The moment i think this is the. I think the key point about this papers that demonstrates that there's much more we do with plastic than simply shredded in tenant into manic whatever and actually maybe it's it's a it's a good way to make and small molecules. Some particularly interested in focusing on molecules. Which would otherwise have been derived directly from petrochemical. Resources itself is not a sustainable thing to do. Because these these feedstocks running out so we need to find a waste maintenance and to me making them from a pile of waste which is already created Six point three million tons of plastic waste if we might out of that waste. I think it's much more efficient way to the chemistry. The making from things that that are running out so houston hands of skype here. So so you're so really. This comes from you and the idea is really where your heart is at is really in that environmental remediation idea more than good tasting ice cream or is it both. I think it's safe for me. It's about sustainability and efficient crisis which having minimal impact on the environment is possible and so in a positive light is addressing supply. She's for example with the part of that is using resources that we've got sufficient is possible. I think deny that sticks are really really useful materials Think that we should just get rid of them all together. I think we should just rethink the way that we are managing the life cycle and design them with the end or not cycling application in mind and just think about things listed so that's really what drives my my research. That's really cool. But the other thing about this is that it doesn't seem like the kind of Research or the career path that we would have really trained for ten years ago. So what's your background really like. It's my my background's quite mixed. I did an undergraduate degree in chemistry which she might be able to tell things. We published in chemistry. And so i always thought about things funding molecular level that i was actually lucky after often. Do industry. Where i happened to be working in catalysis group. I just became fascinated by enzymes in biological systems and the complexity that make it achieved under such conditions. I from sustainability stump point. This is really exciting to me. Just became your direction. To to confer see and softbank's i went off and did a couple of knox in Things just to kind of basically learn not as much biology as i possibly could and then this discovery finish it was not to put together drawings interests together the chemistry and the bonnici. Ns sustainability into into a project and in decently that. I'm really passionate about. And so it's been an exciting jedi because i'm constantly learning and putting out things out of my comfort zone but would that be your advice to new scientists who are just getting into the field or just getting into undergraduates in my classes and people who listen to this podcast a lot of students who say you know you guys figured it out already and so what's there for me to do. Is it really just about following your passion and trying to solve a big problem. I think you've got find something which you'll interested enough is going to sustain me through. You know what it's what is assertive. diaries thing. Career is often down his highest in his legs. In the thing that's driving. It is disci- in your passion for the science. So whenever is drives you as an individual whether sustainability whether it's health research with route struck discovery. Whatever it is is just got and really might you enough to get you through these. These challenges dr joe sadler. Thank you so much joining me on the podcast in pre. Please promise me one. Thank when you get to the next big discovery or the next big way to solve a problem. Can you let me know and be a guest again. I'll be right back. I hope so. Thank you very much for joining today. Thanks for having me. Oh one other question. Where can people find you or follow you on social media on twitter at joe south of ten and we'll have a lab website at suddenly and we'll be building up website in the coming months as well very good. Yeah so it's j. o. Sad ten on twitter. that's correct. Yeah okay yeah. I just followed you yesterday so very good all right. Well thank you very much. For joining me. On the podcast. Thanks very much and thank you for listening to the talking. Biotech podcast as we enter our seventh year as of this episode which is really cool. I didn't even realize that till today time flies. When you're having fun right reviews on itunes or any place where you consume podcasts media shirt with a friend. Our numbers continue to grow and use recyclable. Bottles and eat lots of noah. Thank you very much for your time and thank you for listening as we go into your seven and we'll talk to you again next week. 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Separating Fact from Fiction in Nutrition & Why Humans Must Explore

Something You Should Know

47:42 min | 1 year ago

Separating Fact from Fiction in Nutrition & Why Humans Must Explore

"Today on something you should know. You probably do something kind of strange when you read your emails that you might WanNa stop doing. I'll tell what that is then conflicting nutrition advice like salt and sugar. Some experts say they're bad for you other say they're not chemicals whether it's all sir sugar or whatever you are not good or bad. There's no such thing as a safe or dangerous. They're safe for dangerous. Waste abuse them. Context and very important amounts are very important work also if you wake up in the morning with an alarm clock. There's something you need to hear. And human exploration we've explored most of the earth now We must explore space our solar system the planets and even asteroids some asteroids are almost solid gold or platinum or iron nickel some relatively small asteroids have more materials than we ever used in the entire history of our civilization. All this today on something. You should know my thanks to fetch rewards for sponsoring this podcast. 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Who have started using it and so should you download the fetch rewards APP now and use the Promo Code S. Y. S. K.? To get four thousand points when you scan your first receipt. Hurry though this offer is for a limited time something you should know fascinating fascinating Intel. The world's top experts and practical advice using your life today. Something you should now. It might carruthers. Welcome to something you should know. have an all new and really interesting episode for you today. So let's get right to it. Have you ever heard of something uncalled email apnea. It's when you hold your breath while you're checking your email you probably do it and don't even realize it and when when I read this I realized that I in fact was doing this. A study found that eighty percent of US experience email apnea. It's the temporary the absence or suspension of breathing while reading or writing email and it can actually be a problem if it happens a lot. Shallow or irregular breathing leaving rhythms can throw your body's oxygen levels off and it can also disrupt your heart rate and put unnecessary stress on your system so knock get off and that is something you should know. Every day you make choices about what to eat and maybe more importantly choices about what not to eat. And you don't have to look very far to find a lot of people offering advice to you on what you should and should not not including your diet. The problem is that there is so much advice in often contradictory advice and also advice. That doesn't seem to make any sense. It's it's hard to know who's right. Every Diet has success stories of people who have lost weight or live to a hundred but who knows if they kept the weight it off and who knows if the reason they lifted one hundred had anything to do with the Diet and who knows if the Diet is even safer something. You should try still bill. Despite all the Wacky Diet advice there is science and yes. Even the science about nutrition and Diet can be confusing. But it's probably a good good place to start in understanding what to eat especially if you have someone who can sift through all the science and make it understandable and that's just who we have today. Dr Joe. Schwarz is director of McGill University's Office for Science and society which is dedicated to demystifying science. I Anson separating sense from nonsense and he's author of a book called a grain of salt the science and pseudoscience of what we eat. I Joe thanks for coming on today high. So why do you think people are so confused about what to eat well. Generally there's such an of information formation that comes at us every day that people have a difficult time knowing what to believe what not to believe and it isn't the only only from self-proclaimed bloggers but also the science itself can be confusing because there's so many articles that are published you know there's about five appear reviewed scientific papers published every minute of every single day. Some of which are very good at some are very bad. Most of them are mediocre but The interpretation of these Papers as far as the public is concerned is very difficult. And they are left at the mercy of the media to interpret these and Very often often Reporters are are not so adept at understanding the science and they'd sensationalized stories. You know people. Legitimate are confused is because you know they hear well one they. Butter is bad for us. We should not beating saturated fats. We should be switching to margin than you find out. Margarine contains transfats. We shouldn't be eating that and they get the impression that scientists to know what they're talking about and that is actually not correct because the size of nutrition and can deliver a lot of very valuable information. It's true that we never come to an absolute conclusion. That's that's science is is not the white or black. It's very gray. And we constantly modify but the basic tenets are really quite sound when we tell people just to watch their overall calorie intake to watch their saturated fat intake to minimize added sugar and eat lots of fruits and vegetables and that has not changed But you know when when people go online All they'll find all kinds of miracles one day they are told that celery juice if the answer to all of their problems and it's certainly understandable that that People are confused by all of this. They don't know whom to believe who not to believe in but it isn't always that extreme. It isn't either it's all scientific or it celery juice. There's a lot of in the middle of one day. Coffee is good for you next day. Coffee Shop at absolute. That's alright all right. That's where I think people really get. Confused is because because there's arguments on both sides. There are arguments on both sides but it is rare at the arguments on both sides have equal validity. And you know this is something that is very difficult in journalism because journalists in in Journalism school are taught always to give both sides of the of the issue. The traditional problem that comes up they'll interview an expert on one side and an expert on the other side and then write an article on it and it it Seems as if the two sides have equal validity which is very are you rarely the case it usually is an instance where majority of the scientific community is behind one and Some outliers are behind ninety other so you always have to take a look at the big picture. One single study doesn't mean anything in science. You have to take a look at all of the studies. These and Don't carry into that but Jake Cherry Tree couple of Cherries Mash them together. And see what that That delivers so since your book is called a grain of salt. Let's start there. Let's talk about salt because there are conflicting theories out there that a assault is bad for you be that that salt is only a risk for people who already have or are predisposed to high blood pressure. It can can make it worse but it has no effect on people who don't have high blood pressure and see that salts okay so so who's right chemicals Whether it's alter or sugar or whatever else you want to talk about or not good or bad. There's no such thing as a safe or dangerous. Chemical they're safe or dangerous ways to use them and Context is very important. Amounts are very important amounts matter. It's not a question of eating in Salt nutty thing so we have to look at how much salt and there's a plethora of evidence for cutting back on the amount of salt that most North Americans beat the current recommendation is about twenty three hundred milligrams of of sodium a day that's roughly translates relates to To a teaspoon of salt north Americans eat far more than that Most of them have double that or you know fifty percents more more than that and we know that that is linked to high blood pressure. And we do to cut down on that and other issue. Is that the foods that have have High Sodium content generally or poor nutritional foods for other reasons as well they tend to be highly processed and to have a lot of sugar as as well so cutting back on salt but certainly not eliminating. It's because salt is essentially electrolyte You know that for example you know. Marathon runners will lose who's sodium and they have to replenish it But the average North American consumes way too much sodium and There's no question that that is linked to high blood. Pressure and high blood pressure is a significant risk factor for stroke and for A heart attack. What is the current science? Say about artificial sweeteners. As far as safety goes there's no real risk. There are number of artificial sweeteners that got earned the market today. The most widely used ones or aspartame sucralose now food additives before they go onto the market have to pass through who whole range of regulatory hoops and hurdles. It's not a question of a company saying well. You know this thing pay sweet. I think we'll attitude to food. No it's on. It isn't like that in Canada Health Canada veteran relates this and the US is it is the FDA and they have to be satisfied of the risk benefit NFL profile as with any other component of food it is possible for individuals to have an idiosyncratic reaction to an additive. So for example example is possible that people will get a headache from aspartame. It's very rare but it's it's possible so you can never ensure that that anything anything any aspect of our food supply safe and everyone because people are biochemical individual but as far as the study go there really is no safety issue now. That being said I'm not a fan of artificial sweeteners. One is that they have not done what they were supposed to do. which is to reduce the right of obesity in North America? That hasn't happened. Artificial sweeteners have been around for a long time. ASPECT MS sucralose sales have skyrocketed rocketed since about nineteen eighty and yet we do not see any effect on on the rate of obesity. Now exactly why. That is a matter of some debate Some researchers suggest that Using artificial sweeteners just increases or taste for sweets in general and that people have been. We'll eat other other sweet stuff and increase caloric intake The other possibility is that You know someone will be so so pleased with themselves for having put an artificial sweetener into their coffee that they will reward themselves by having that piece of cake with the coffee that they might not have had hat had they put sugar in coffee and cake will have more calories than it than the sugar would have had so I think in general artificial sweeteners are not the answer to the obesity. Problem But I don't think they pose a significant risk to health there a lot. There's been a lot of talk lately about out. Sugar and how horrible sugar is and it is you know the new devil and And so what do you say. Well it's the added sugar. That's the the problem Sugar that is present is the natural component of fruits and vegetables is not the issue sugar that is at at the soft drinks for example is these as who When you consider sugar sweetened soft drink contains about forty grams of sugar? And that is the amount that according to the World Health Organization station should be the sum total of all the added sugars that we consume during a day. So just want soft drink will put you at at that limit and and Sugar is linked to Overweight it's linked to obesity and turn. Obesity is linked to increased risk of heart disease stroke stroke and several types of cancer. That's that's quite clear so we certainly do need to cut back on the amount of sugar that that we're consuming in North America America. It's not a question of totally eliminating it As I said no no single food should be looked at as an angel or devil but Consumption Thompson is what we need to look at. 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Why do you think we have the obesity problem that we have today that we didn't have forty fifty years ago? Why why are people so much heavier now and it just didn't use to be the case? We're consuming more calories. I mean that's the bottom line and and there's no question about that Various surveys have shown that they're total calorie. Consumption has has just increased. Why has that happened one? Reason is that You know back about thirty years ago when we had all all of the talk about the evils of fat and people were resorting to eating all kinds of fat-free foods. Well the fact had to be replaced by something in into diet and it was mostly replaced by simple carbohydrates sugar being an example refined flour being an example and as we now know carbohydrates certainly contributes to obesity. It isn't the only a question of total calorie intake it also matters where or does calories originate and as we have learned in you know recently the easiest way to lose weight is to cut back on carbohydrates consumption assumption. This is why the keep whole diet has become so popular So it was the switch from Facts to refined carbohydrates that I think was instrumental in increasing the Obesity in North America. And also they very heavy the advertising by the fast food industry and I say I don't think anyone goes to these fast food who places thinking that they're going to eat the healthy meal but I think the taste is seductive Partly because there's so much salt added to it so much sugar in the soft drinks and people like the taste of Chagrin the taste of salt. Are there any diets and in Diet. Meaning eat this way. Not that way kind of Diet that you think is pretty on the mark. Well it depends on on what you're aiming for or if you're aiming for rather rapid weight loss there's no no question that the teeth will diet can deliver that the keeping the Diet is extremely low. One in the carbohydrates and study up on study has shown that you can lose significant way very quickly. The problem with that Diet and with any other diet is whether or not you can maintain it and again. The studies show that after a buddy year people tend to stay away from the Diet and go back to eating the way they were eating the success rate for conquering obesity is about five percent which is less than the success rates for treating most cancers. So it's a it's a very very significant problem but if you go on a Keitel Diet you will lose very significant ways over you know first few months but then then you have to switch to a diet. That's sustainable for you but I I think it's worth giving the Kito Diet shot over the the the short term over the long term the answer is moderation. People don't like to hear that they they want magic. You know they want to be told that. Oh if you jus- consumed Raspberry Ketone or Green Coffee Bean extract or whatever you Miracle Dr. Oz has offered up that you're going to you know significantly ignificant lose weight doesn't work like that. You need to have a proper balanced diet and the proper balance dive means mostly fruits and vegetables. The the closer we are to a plant based diet the better and the Diet that has received significant attention in that regard is the so called Mediterranean diet although so you know there are questions about that because there really isn't one Mediterranean diets people in Lebanon on the Mediterranean. Don't feed the same way as as the Greeks I do. But as a general rule they eat less red meat they eat lots of nuts they eat lots of fruits and vegetables and most dramatically they consume almost no refined sugar. So if one were to you know push one specific diet. I think it would be the Mediterranean Diet and and to keep it that is very little red meat and very little refined sugar. What about supplements numerous studies of course have been done on on back the conclusion as that unless someone has a demonstrated deficiency in the nutrient? There's no advantage to taking a supplement now now of course there are numerous supplements out there. There's the Multivitamin supplementals the most popular ones but then there are many other different kinds of supplements as you know supplements like maca root or elderberry Extract garlic extract. I mean you know almost an infinite number of these things each one of them would have to be examined in you know in detail. But as a general rule the overall nutritional information as someone who has a balanced diet it does not need any kind of supplement and they will not be benefiting from it now of course if someone is is diagnosed as having little vitamin B twelve levels or low iron levels. that's a different story. Then a physician can recommend a supplement. But we have just no scientific evidence that the random taking supplements delivers any kind of benefit. You know what I find somewhat confusing is why is it that human beings are are attracted to food that basically can do them no good. Nobody overeats Broccoli or Brussels sprouts we overeat foods that are high in fat fat and sugar and you would think evolution airily may be that we would be predisposed to want things that will help us stay healthy and live if longer. But that doesn't seem to be the case. I tell you why it's because people talk health but the taste you know everyone would like to be healthy healthy and the read and they mostly what they should be eating but the taste buds have their own demands and unfortunately that demand is for a Sweep foods and salty foods. It is not as you said. It's not for Broccoli and Kale Those tend to have bitter compounds in them and That is not what people like. There has been the suggestion that there's an evolutionary explanation for that because as you know people's diets evolving and of course they would you know pick berries and fruits and grains et Cetera. And the wants. That's where the least healthy in terms of containing toxic compounds were bitter substances and people learned to gravitate toward sweet tasting. Think things to stay away from within toxins. Well today of course that that no longer applies we. We know that Well Kaelin and Broccoli may have some bitter compounds company. They're not toxic but we have evolved to like sweet tastes one of the areas that I think people get confused about is red meat because because we hear that you should eat lean meats that that's a good thing eating lean meat is a good thing and then we hear well. There are problems with meat that you know. A plant based Diet is is better. So what is the. What's the deal with meat? There is unfortunately a lot of evidence coming out against red meat. I say unfortunately because because you know it tastes good. Most people like the taste of me now. Exactly why we're seeing these problems with particularly red. Meat is not all that clear but it's probably has to do with the way that we cook it because when you cook meat you tend to Broil it. Grill it and that produces company called Petro Cyclic Aromatic Amy's and various polycyclic hydrocarbons and those are linked to cancer. So it's the cooking process that that may be a problem if you stew meat. It's it's much safer than if you barbecue or Broil it and then with processed meats we have different issue processed meats as you may know by the By the International Agency for Research on cancer which is an arm of the World Health Have the in Listed in category one. which is a known human carcinogens? But guess what is the fastest growing food in North America. Right now it's Bacon so even even though the evidence is out there and you know the popular press certainly the talks about this all the time and yet it doesn't seem to have An impact on on the average person. Even though I think most we'll tell you when they're eating bacon they know that it's not a healthy thing to eat but nevertheless because people taste while they talk health. Well I think you nailed it. I think that's exactly what's going on. Is that people talk health. They talk about about eating healthy. They say they WANNA eat healthy. But the taste buds. The taste buds have a mind of their own. And that's a battle. That's going to be hard to win. Dr Joe Schwarz has been my guest. He's director of McGill University's Office for Science and society and he is author of the book a grain of salt the science. It's and pseudoscience of what we eat. There's a link to that book in the show notes. Thanks Joe thanks bye with capital one saver card you can learn four percent cashback on dining and entertainment that means four percents. I'm checking out that new French restaurant and four percent. I'm bowling with your friends. You'll also earn two percent cashback at grocery stores and one percent on all other purchases. Now when you go out you cash in. What's in your wallet? Credit approval required capital one bank. USA Na get all your shopping now now at macy's holiday one day sale with deals of the day priced so low. You don't even need a coupon. Keep it super cozy with fifty to sixty percent off sweaters and coats need a gift for that special someone reminder prize them with diamonds dot hearing from true miracle in three stunning setting now only two hundred eighty nine dollars or pick out the perfect successor with fifty percent off Steve Madden Topaz and everybody gets ten dollars in macy's money every fifty dollars spent starting tomorrow savings off. Sale prices exclusions apply. One of the things human beings do is we explore. We'd like to know what's around the corner over the next hill behind that fence and beyond beyond the horizon and we should be thankful that our ancestors did our contemporaries continue to explore because exploration Asian often leads to good things. Andrew Radnor is an aerospace engineer with a PhD from Mit. He's also a mission manager at SPACEX ASECTS and he has researched this whole concept of human exploration. Why we do it? And what's the result. Andrew is author of a book called beyond on the known how exploration created the modern world and will take us to the stars. Hi Andrew Welcome. Thanks for having me sure so so explain why you think we're talking about this in the first place. Why is exploration so important? I think exploration defines who we are as humans. It's one one of the things that makes us unique. From all the other animals on earth exploration is the reason why we live in climates other than Africa we evolved evolved for millions of years in Africa. And we were restricted to a small territory for millions of years. But then we set out to you find new opportunities new resources new lands and through that process we developed technology that enabled us to live in other places in the command of fire and shelter in animal. Skin clothing and exploration is by definition placing ourselves at the leading edge of the possible. Look around at the technology. We have transportation airplanes boats automobiles. Almost all of these things. Come about as desire to to move around to transport people and ideas and goods and that all ties into exploration. I think almost I think exploration has been the primary motivating enforce for humanity throughout history. And we're still explorers. So what do you think are some of the big milestone landmark moments in exploration. That have really Lee helped to define who we are today and how and how we got here. There's actually really three waves of human exploration. The first is yes when we set out. Run One hundred thousand years ago that's when our species Homo sapiens. I left Africa and people walked through Asia in Europe and they walked which through Siberia into the Americas. Actually they probably took boats listening. I talked about but along the coast. But it's quite close between Gene Alaska and Siberia. It's only about fifty miles of water so they probably took boats there and Australia as well. So humans actually settled the entire world apart from Antarctica and a few islands far out at sea long before anyone sort of started formal exploration. But that's part of our wondering right were basically wandering species. But then the ancients connected our world so the ancient Greeks and Romans. They traveled to India. The travel China the belt the Silk Road transfer ideas between India and China. The Chinese unease Explorer Leeann Ocean went. India went to East. Africa went to the Middle East. The POLYNESIANS settled the entire Pacific and traveled across the Indian Ocean. All the way to East Africa in fact the culture of Madagascar's based on the Polynesians so this world was connected for the first time about two thousand years ago but then we went through the dark ages people kind of forgot about it and then the age of exploration what we think about as is the age when world was connected was. It's actually kind of a rediscovery of what we already knew with Columbus and Magellan sailing around the world in the Portuguese into the Indian Ocean and as far as the China and Japan. And that's when the world became globalized. One of the things that I've never really understood about explorers in the early days is how do you who decide to go explore. When you don't know anything is out there? How do you if you're a polynesian standing on the Polynesian beach looking out at the ocean and you see nothing but ocean? How do you decide? Yeah let's get a boat and and just set sail and see what's out there without not knowing if anything is out there that without a map I imagine maps had to have been a really big deal. Yeah that's we're really big tail and the other thing. That was a really big deal. Was Compass actually the compass which came from China originally but the Polynesians have maps and they based everything on oral tradition and it. There's some famous stories of Cook. Captain Cook who went to Polynesia yet navigator from Tahiti basically and the navigator gotta get her could recite the names of three hundred islands but he didn't have a map. I mean they didn't have maps but what they did have was elaborate oral traditions and really really good knowledge of the way kind of ocean currents work and clouds travel and birds they would actually take birds out and then let them go. Oh in the Berber fly up into the air if the bird saw land and of course the birds way up in the air so much further if the birds land it would fly towards land and then say okay well land must be over there even no no. I can't see it all these things they could tell. Just by like the pattern on the water in the waves that an island or big landmass will break up the waves and certain way and they can kind of look at the water. The Oh well looks like there's kind of a disruption in the ways here so they must be an island two hundred miles that way. It's incredible wow I never knew that and so so. Is there a story about maps about how that came to be and how that changed the how that changed the game maps originally were made for religious purposes. They would mark Jerusalem sort of the center of the world and they weren't to scale they were just kind of pictures. There's of Marianne and the donkey or something like that in the Middle East in Jerusalem and they might have Europe or something like that but they were just kind of intended to tell a story but they weren't really intended to be directions to follow but then the first maps that were sort of their useful were soak our put Portland Charts and they were first made in Genoa around fourteen hundreds and these were the maps actually Columbus's brother bacteria worked it as a map maker and this is one of the things that almost certainly inspired Columbus had access to kind of the first maps that were really intended to mark accurate accurate distances and directions and they were really intended for navigation. I've never really understood how you can make a map. If you can't get up in the sky and look look down a but my clearly people have been doing it for a long time. Yeah so it's dead reckoning so what this is is basically if you know your speed need and you know your direction and you know how long you're traveling. Then you can tell how far you've traveled because distance is just speed multiplied multiplied by time. So say you're traveling. You know five miles per hour for one hour you know you've gone five miles right and so this is actually how they would do it. And this is why you might be familiar with For for boats we actually call speed knots. We say knots and it's not local mile per hour and it actually literally comes from knots on a rope that they would let into the ocean and the road unravel at the speed that the ship was traveling. So you had a certain amount of nuts let out in a certain amount of time and that was your ship speed and this is why should be based on nuts and that tells you how l. faster going and then you have an hourglass which tells you how long it takes you multiply the time times the speed and you get distance and so that's how you would do it. You would see a coastline. You say okay. Well we've been traveling along this coastline for five hours at five miles per hour so this coastline whose line is twenty five miles long in just because line twenty five miles long and that's how you made them out but this idea of just like okay. So the the coastline in is twenty five miles long. But there's also little bays and things that stick out and and you know that kind of detail that that somehow somebody buddy figured out. Yeah if you see an in light you got dried on the map. And he kinda guess I mean. People were guessing all the time. And that's why all these maps are distorted in originally for example. California for for hundreds of years was marked as an island because people had never gone all the way around it so they kind of figured well. It's pretty it's kind of like a peninsula especially Baja California so they eh probably an island so they just marked it as an island the map. So a lot of this is just guesswork so the filled in what they knew and they kind of guessed the rest so there had to come a point where where we have been everywhere pretty much everywhere we could go and so that the exploring had to stop right. I mean the or at least it had to change change because we weren't exploring new places we were exploring places that other people had been to a now. Maybe we'd like to go to like like tourist. Even after the world was completely mapped basically people started to fill in the details. So you can go to a place and appreciate it at a whole different different level there. There's this famous explorer Alexander von Humboldt. Who Don't really think about today? Because he kind of invented everything. He did a little bit in every field but he went to South America and catalogued all the animal species in the plant species and kind of he was the founder basically of our modern science our biology and this is what it really inspired Charles. Darwin Charles. Darwin said that he was the biggest influence in his life because he kind of opened our eyes to the details of. What's really there there rather than just? Oh here's a map of something right so so then people start filling the details and then there was this famous Austrian travel named Ida Pfeiffer who travelled around the world with the safari suit pistol. And she really. She wrote about the land she traveled to and she really inaugurated our world of travel. So she she brought travel home to people of European people started traveling around the world for the first time. I think I think it's true to say that. She invented the tourism industry. And when did that happen. When did this this change happened? That people started thinking travel could be fun rather than some sort of dangerous adventure that that who knows if we'll ever come back kind of thing. Yeah basically it was in the eighteen. Hundreds when people had steamship so they could travel around the world in a matter of months and it wasn't super dangerous anymore. I mean originally originally people who set out in these voyages of exploration and most most of the people that die like with Magellan circumnavigated the globe. He took five ships and only one made it back with twenty two people and he said it was one hundred seventy or something like that so it was dangerous. Exploration was normally dangerous but now as soon as traveling became became safe with our modern technology which was largely inspired by exploration People started traveling the world just for fun and so when ended. When did human beings then look to the skies and say well maybe we should go up? There were always doing this so there was this Roman writer. Two thousand seven years ago named Lucien of sat and he wrote about a voyage to the moon and he thought that you could just take a ship maybe you could figure out a way to propel spaces kind of imagining imagining like sailing. Ship in the Roman crew would go off and they had encounters with extraterrestrials on the moon. So this is an old idea it for hundreds of people have always been writing about space actually but it only became sort of you know slightly realistic around the eighteen sixties. He's there was this famous science fiction writer Jules Verne who all kinds of wonderful science fiction books in he wrote about the first sort of plausible way to get people in space which is fire. I'm from a giant cannon which would work except it would shred them at the cellular level because accelerations required for a giant. Cannon would be ridiculously extreme so you would not survive the cannon shot But it might actually be part of the space so then it took this recluse named Kofsky who basically invented everything about rockets and space traveling gleaning wrote hundred bucks. He was a schoolteacher in rural Russia. And he invented basically the methods of getting people to space and one of his disciples in American Rod. Robert Goddard's started testing rockets and he developed the first liquid propelled rocket that could be a propulsion system and the rocket goddard invented in the nineteen twenties was the ancestor of all the rockets. We have today that we used to travel to space and so since space based travel has really been possible which I guess really started in the fifties or late fifties early sixties at least when people really got excited about it we've looked at space. Travelers astronauts those kind of people as great explorers themselves. Pioneers in heroes to some degree. Part of that is actually intentional. It was the story that America told about space program and it was actually quite different from the way the Soviets viewed their space program America emphasize kind of the individual will pioneer hero. Going out to space. Dangerous Mission where's the Soviets emphasized kind of mechanization? And this is a sign of the Soviet Union's modernity in fact Eureka Garin. Who's the first person? Space launched by this union. Never touch the controls. He was locked out of his CALC- his just a passenger singer and the Soviets consider this to be a good thing because it meant that our our space craft are so sophisticated. We don't even need a pilot is kind of showing the world has visited visited. Where where's Americans? They said. Well our boys are true. Heroes so you know. They're they're going to fly this thing and they're going to be the pioneers. Go out and conquer the space and all that kind of stuff so it was really kind of this different message And I guess we're kind of left with both of those legacies the technology but also the kind of still euro astronaut and so now now now that we know a lot more about how space works and what we can and can't do and the limitations of the speed at which we can travel it clearly is it's still exciting to some and it must be exciting to you because you work at SPACEX and all but but really. You can't go too far can we. That's right so the universe is absolutely enormous place and there are more earth-like planets we know now then grains of sand on all the beaches of earth. I mean there's just look up at the sky and you see thousands thousands of stars but there are billions four hundred billion stars in our galaxy. There's billions hundreds of billions of galaxies so the universe is absolutely enormous but the the difficulty of traveling to another star is pretty extreme. It's not really feasible right now. I mean it's a long time. You'd have to people in a spacecraft even with our most sophisticated technology so you have to have people traveling for over one hundred years so we're left with our solar system but our system is actually a really big place. There's like three three hundred moons in our solar system. All the gas giants have like seventy moons while Neptune in urine has have fewer but Saturn have a lot of moods and some of them are really interesting and this is really varied and it has a lot of resources on earth. Almost all the medals materials that we have used throughout the history of civilization Asian. Have rain down on our planet after it was formed because Earth was sort of this molten bowl of magma and as it cooled all the heavy stuff sinks thanks to the middle so Earth's crust was a resource poor place all these heavy metals like gold and platinum and iron and nickel. And so almost all of these came down later her to Earth from asteroids because asteroids contain important compositions of these resources there some asteroids are almost solid gold or platinum or iron nickel so some asteroids. Have some relatively small. Asteroids have more materials than we've ever used in the entire history of our civilization so this is one of the reasons I think we should go to space race is because it would actually bring tremendous benefit to our civilization on earth. well as Captain Kirk said in the opening credits of Star Trek back you know. It is the final frontier are urged to explore has taken all over the world. Now we must look to the heavens and explore up there. Sure that's true but one of the most important reasons to go is because the reason we are the way we are today is because of exploration. Expeditions always driven our technology and by going out into space by doing what we can with what we have that creates the process. That stimulates technology to improve. So if we want to go to another star Star in the future what we have to do is go to closer destinations now and figure out how to live in space for long periods of time how to develop better propulsion systems to trout transport people across space so by doing things in space with the technology we have now creates incentives that drive our technology further further. You always exploration and and actually just the history of progress in general. You always set a goal. I you set some goals. We choose to go to the moon. Well when Kennedy Kennedy said we choose to go to the moon in nineteen sixty one. They had no idea how to go to the Moon but within eight years they figured everything out. You set a goal and then you figure cigarette how to accomplish it and by doing that address all kinds of technology even fields. You never imagined so. This is such a critical thing that we need to set goals first and then figure out how to accomplish them and this is what has always been the major incentive driving our progress at the history of civilization and so what are the goals roles. Do you think people are striving to reach now in space settlers settling people on Mars. That's the thing yup absolutely. That's what Yeah Marxist the best place to go because it is the only place that we could reach with our technology today that could support long-term human settlement so Mars is A planet it has resources similar to Earth it has lots of water. It has metals and all the other kinds of resources. We would expect to find on the planet it. It has a usable atmosphere so carbon dioxide which can be converted into oxygen and methane for fuel. It has a day-night cycle Michael similar to Earth. A day is twenty four hours and thirty nine minutes on Mars which is very similar to twenty four hours on earth. Where's the moon for? Example is fourteen days of night fourteen eighteen days today. And if you had to guess. When are we going to do that? I don't like to put timelines on things but I think we essentially have the technology analogy to do it today. It's just a matter of developing the actual vehicles. That were do it. And that's what we're currently working on. So I think it's possible within a decade. Well I think there's something really exciting and adventurous about the whole concept of exploring and this has been a fun conversation about about how we as humans have explored the world and and now are exploring space. My guest has been Andrew Radnor. He is an aerospace engineer. Commission manager at SPACEX and author of the book beyond the known how exploration created the modern world and will take us to the stars. Thanks Andrew drew. Thank you very much. Yeah when you get up in the morning do you wake up on your own or does the alarm clock get you. Hopefully you can do it on your own at least once in a while research found that those who wake up naturally usually a few minutes before the alarm goes off are less groggy than those who are jarred back to reality by the horrible noise of the alarm sleep. Scientists have found that. If you tell yourself alf what time you need to wake up your body will actually anticipate it before it happens. which will soften the blow? You'll also be better off. If you skip the snooze button the mixed signals of get up and don't get up can really confuse the body and some experts say it is the worst way to start archer day and that is something you should know you can do your part to help support this podcast by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcasts. We have a couple of thousand but I really would like to get to a million before I die who leave a rating and review on Apple podcasts. I'm Mike carruthers. Thanks for listening today to something you should know.

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Myles Turner Joins the SnapBack Sports Pod

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Myles Turner Joins the SnapBack Sports Pod

"What's going on fan? Welcome back to another episode of the Snapback Sports pod on this episode. We had the pleasure to interview myles. Turner Star of the Indiana Pacers. We talked a lot about Yoenis. Mvp debate we talked knicks. And what the actual word is around the MBA ranked fast food burgers and we got a full on breakdown of the Water Burger Menu. And so much. I hope you guys enjoy this. Make sure you subscribe on Apple. Podcasts may follow on spotify but let's get it the Baltimore Ravens. Select Lamar Jackson Marine. Is All you opera does not old Brian Jumper? What is going on everyone? We are super super excited to welcome miles. Turner Star of the Indian and a pacers to the snapback sports pod miles. How're you doing this morning but a blood have meal of cruciate you coming on and this is a special shoutout to my best friend. Joe Schwarz. Who's been on the pockets twice now? Miles has been on. So we have a nice Texas crew. As our LONGHORNS are fighting to get into the tournament so we're looking for that but miles. I've watched obviously since your years in Texas now growing through the League. What's it been like making that transition from someone who wasn't really a die? Hard basketball ball is life to now. This is now your career and your life We got to give it shot. Joe Schwarz as well in school and a lot as well you know when I was in coming up but That's this man it was It was crazy because you go from being a really a nineteen year old kid having a grow up really fast and I've always kind of been the one that's I kind of is. I was immature. I've always immature but as far as my mustache in the way I was going out there. That's very immature. And come into a locker room where you know at taxes all hanging out with guys at the class. Or We'd just go to Auto Kirby Laing. We'd do anything. Go kick it and then you come into the league. It's like man. These guys are twenty eight thirty years old. They're going home their families. You pretty much have nobody so you just have to learn how to making itself and on the court. He's A. He's grown admin. You know Everybody that lot stronger faster. The Games a lot of the Games a lot faster. So this is so was rougher a little bit off before for me but on the floor are kind of a down. My way of season regressed Gotcha and it was funny because you didn't struggle at Texas but you played in a role that wasn't typical of a lottery. Pick someone who's GonNa Thrive in that? So how do you go from? Knock gaining quite the experience that we expected at Texas into that league. Where like you said. It's grown man moving at full speed for the college game of so much different than the Than the League you know I think I played a center entire life when I got to college. You know. They're three other centers and he had kind of Lamour Fritzy Bay. Cameroon Lee even John Jose Little Center as well so I was kinda thrown exist. Ross played it for a lot and I. It was a very weird for me. Like I've always been around the perimeter around the post kind of guy obviously but shoot but I was just Kinda threatened position that where I guess. I just wasn't ready. You know I wasn't ready to step in there and play that huge role and then The this and that I was in it was very controversial. You know maybe close relationship and you know it wasn't the best but Once I was able to get a Free Jack Processes able to show more my Taliban team start to see more potential could have been so it was definitely bet says to come out that first year right. I feel like I feel like you're just part of that group like what is Texas basketball without a dominant thing men. Nowadays you mo- Baba Jackson Hayes. But I wanted to more shifting to where you are right now on your career being that you are a well-known Mba player. You've made a name for yourself already. And you've pretty much established platform and I'D BE REMISS. If I didn't ask about this because about two days ago a clip went of you and a little girl sitting courtside in Dallas before a game and you got to share a conversation with that little girl and correct me. If I'm wrong. I think her name Maya Moon could just explain what what that moment meant to you and how you're able to use your platform to do to do better for the younger generation and everyone that looked up to you as an NBA player. Two's men ever since I've you know I've kind of been someone in my community people up to a long time. You know. Accompany her she was Bedford. Area not particularly huge area. But you know a lot of people have why am I always told myself if I ever got the platform you use my voice or something greater always good and The Maya you know. She just short context like she Battling a rare form of cancer and it is the type of cancer they really shows up it shows you know most of the elderly but She hadn't endure chemotherapy and that obviously knocked out a lot of her hair. She's ball says and you know she has to wear a wake at school and When she was at school and she's in Pe class Few of the kids with ought to be funny to snatch a wig off and run around with an Jim Hid It from her and she basically it based upon tore apart and my doesn't let her child man and it's just basically like she just wants to. In her words she wanted to leave school forever. You know and I kinda saw that story. It was just like it's heartening to me just knowing that you know this kind of bullying and this kind of stuff. How can you believe it camps dog like it's it's like crazy you know but that kind of stuff happens all the time and You know when I was in middle school I got bullied. I don't believe quite a bit. You know people see me now. Big Seven foot like a house. You bullied but you don't always say and Now so once I thought the story resonates a little bit and I just kind of wanted to use her story just to just to spread awareness and an obvious to give her a good time as he was able to come to the game and forget about her cancer for a little while. Forget about the thing that were going on the floor and just have fun relaxed and Just enjoy great game you know like Dallas game was fun and Got a chance to spend some time with her so I use it for me. I was just spreading awareness and You know use my platform or something greater. That's amazing that's a big part of what we do. Here is using our platform although not quite as big as yours but we did a nice fundraiser for the Mama Mama. Sita Foundation on Sunday. And it really is special when you can have. I mean even if it's five people you can get to raise ten bucks for cancer research. If it's the highlight her day and make her feel better. It's great that you really did that. So thank you for doing that. There were so Abe asked me not to blow up his spot on the podcast. But that's obviously what I'm GonNa do so before we knew you're even coming on the podcast. I've been telling him for weeks that the Pacers are sleepers in the Eastern Conference. You guys are hovering around the five six. I mean it's it's very fluid through two through six but he has a little doubt in your squad. I on the other. Hand my big believer that you can win multiple playoff series so for those who don't know why because AP's one of those people who doesn't know why can you explain why you guys are going to be a very good team. Composting time boy crazy dog. You all good but Well there's obviously been a lot of doubt with us just because of either years past I've been league for you know five years now and I four years. It's been heaven early. I run game. Seven sweeps I think this year in particular. We battled injuries the entire season. You know I I. I Miss Teenage to begin the year. Germany lands out for the season. You know big deal outage obviously just came back to find his rhythm back Brogden or point guard. He's out next two three weeks. You Know Doug McDermott. He's out for another week or so and that's kind of how it's been like all along. He's just been we haven't been at full strength full very dominant. And we've been on crude went on crazy runs with So then I think that once we finally get our get our full squad yet. Remember very dangerous. You know we and I think that everybody's Clinton and all those it's scary and we have so much more similar weapons this year and we've had in the past offensively and defensively you know still sort of saying your top five defense in the League so We'll probably International Boston. Anti I think those are both matches that weekend take advantage. But it's not gonna be easy so I mean I see the Dow comes into play but it was in the end. I mean. We've doubt drive a being that of the dog too. So aves a big believer in the idea. That his sixers. 'cause he's a Philly fan that they're going to get healthy and they're going to put it all together but I'm a big believer that like you said you guys actually have shown when you're playing at full strength and you don't have those outside of Jerem who's obviously out for the year. You guys are planning to be healthy into the playoffs so I think that's a really exciting thing. Do you guys look like. Is there a match up in the east that you're like ooh really think this is the one or is it more like You just kind of play. Who put in front of you. We want to get in and just Once again in the playoffs you know. Let's just fall where they may be like? I say either no matter who we match up with. It's GonNa be tough is you know I I. I just kind of feel like we're headed there right now but anything can happen but Philly Boston man One of those three teams and they're all They're all teams. Everybody let's east it's such a slough shore as easy a tough this year right. I need to. I need to defend myself for a quick second. Jack Jack Jack. Put a lot of words in my mouth listen miles. I grew up playing sports playing basketball but I'm a competitor. So you're gonNA ride for your guys no matter what. I have been a diehard Philadelphia. Sixers fan my entire life painful or not though. My my doubt of the Indiana Pacers doesn't necessarily come from a basketball standpoint. But more of that. I'M NOT GONNA I'M NOT GONNA pick anybody over my guys but I mean what? I think what you guys are doing what you guys are doing with. I mean you had vic out for half the year I mean. Nate showed last year what he could do as a coach and now you're fighting through Malcolm Brockton injury. I mean I think it just shows what kind a unit you guys are but listen. I'm I mean I like to consider US friends already but matchup against my sixers. That are brother. It's like well you have to take the snapback bump into account so miles so we've had a few podcast guests on one with Austin actor. He just signed you know his lifetime. Contract twenty four million dollars starting running back in the NFL then last week with Derek. Whyte always played three game since he's been entered into star in lineup. He scored Seventeen fifteen last night. Fourteen nine seven four blocks to steal so I think with the snapback bomb plus the pacers getting healthy. I think you're in trouble but I another reason. I think Abe Super Salty is because you're next game is in Philly against the sixers and he's a little nervous for it should be. I mean. I think we played being philly twice this year. Oh I would say for the first time. They didn't have the sex on. They didn't have to beat so they did have healthy. But we haven't either so I think that it's a takes account a lot of things like I said. So W tough place to play Fans are assholes for sure but Is very much still kind of a fun environment of the apart. That's a compliment but like you said you'd have. We didn't have Joel Bad so what? Ben Doesn't play on Saturday night. And you guys waxing us then. We'll use that. Excuse if you don't miles I was thinking about coming down to Philly and watching the game. I'm rooting against Abe for my newfound. Love for the Pacers but portly. I wanted to audition for the first ever. Addition of the Turner's blocked road edition so for the people that don't know mile has a nice fan group that sits in section is one zero one one point sits in section wants money and every year they have to audition to be in the section. So there's incredible stories and I'll let you tell Maybe your favorite story of an audition but I. I would like to audition for a role as a party of one in Turner's blocked. Okay I get twenty seconds. Is that correct? You do quite aged over the phone that yes you can i. I wrote a little rap. I don't rap at all. I can't sing for anything really bad art so we'll see how this goes here. We've got miles. Turner King of the burner Communist paint. And you'll be alert. Don't come don't come up in the block hot. Because I kept because he keeps his Swat Hot Indiana Pacer coming in his paint. Feeling like you got hit with the tasers boy from Texas catch him rolling his Lexus. Next big thing in the League Hashtag. Check this talk. That is out the whitest thing I think I could have done but I like second hand embarrassment from listening to that but it's the final verdict earners block. I have one person like get down on what the proposed me. I had like what else I've had. People like half full on fights like it's it's crazy that's crazy that's crazy so maybe I'll see you in Philly. So what about your so? We read a lot about you and you were kind of. I mean to put it nicely a nerd but I think now that you're a cool guy. It's cool to own that part of you. So what would you say like your passion points off the court? Yeah not fully and break always kind of been like. When I was growing up I was always one of the smarter kids but at the same time I play sports. So it's like all the nerds. My best friends like I got along with all the popular kids and the and the I get the cool kids at that so kind of able to diversify myself. Get along both going both worlds. So I mean like I've enjoy my video games And it's funny. I build the other Lego figurines. I'm actually literally like building one right now as as AS Roma speaking on the phone which one which one This is going to start a story to anybody who wants to. It's basically darth vader's attacks but Yeah that sounds Dorky. But Yeah but big though Dorka. Just hell I've been getting a lot of a lot of heat from Jack from other my friends but I was lucky enough to see your instagram story last night. And I'd be remiss if we didn't talk about it my all time huge bachelor fan huge bachelor fan you finale. Last night I did and you know I. I deleted all my social media APPS before. Because how do we get everything on there? Yeah we had the game last night and It would ruin it for me if I watched it and I am a Bachelor Fan. I just started watching this season So I've been a lifelong or anything like that but The very first episode. All this is stupid watching. It said all my guys ridiculous. Okay watching it again next next week. They happen like exactly. I'll tell you that's how it just win. But yes and now he was crazy dog. I didn't think I think What the page. Pitas bomb was like. Maybe show Jerry Springer about most definitely. They were going back and forth. Mattie how strong I think Hannah ends Sunday the hell out of She said you gotta learn how to be with. You GotTA learn how to be a real man and he would appear getting even had the last word possible Adam crazy like it was a dog but yeah it's crazy how. Helluva following I. It's quite funny to keep it up above of tweets and everything twitter as they were zone during the fact that no one in the NBA can keep a secret the fact that they do a pretty good job of keeping all what happens in the show off line even if they have like it is pretty amazing that no one really knows unless you do deep digging right now. There's a couple of really. Yeah there's a couple of like you know accounts and stuff like that that have their fair share of of knowledge in put them spoilers out there and whatnot but for the most part. Pretty quiet right all right. So that's probably all the time Jackal let me talk about. I knew you were a big bachelor fan. I actually didn't know this is your first season watching both your first season. Yeah Yeah So. Do you guys know about bachelor? In Paradise heard that the Bachelor Paradise. Yeah the Bachelor in Paradise. Look I'm a fan of the show? I'm I can't lie. I'm not a die hard like you. Two are but bachelor in paradise used to be like the fun version of it now. I don't know it's a lot of drama. The problem is what happened. Was it used to be like really entertaining because everyone would just like you know? Do all this crazy shit. But then everyone became social media stars so now everyone tries a little too hard but bachelor in paradise overall is like A. It's like a Frat version of like the bachelor show. They don't WanNa talk about basketball. Or You WanNa still talk about. We never actually talk about words on the show I've got I've got a question about actual sports Though throughout yeah. I know it's Kinda sad talking about basketball but throughout your career. You've you've made a lot of posters of people whether it's Tristan Thompson or Keith. Crash Gordon Hayward at the playoffs last year but in the same breath you are worthy. Nba blocks leaders are one of the top shop lockers and the League. What's more satisfying putting someone on a poster and dunking on them or stuff or meeting someone at the Rim? Absolutely sending them back. What do you get more out? That's a great question I think personally I get more enjoyment. I like a lot because especially at home. It just gets everybody going team and I'm like the only one the team who really who really does it so I think when that happens no matter where I'm at that's just more like It it gives me going a bit more like a big chunk is cool. You know but at the same time like I think he's blocking shots just like it's intimidating. You know just kind of put. The message are like the other team. That was kind of a little bit of a sub tweet. Tomatoes the bonus like pro. I need some help at the rim. Nobody knows his role made these contributions. Yeah I'm curious so obviously there's a lot of debate right now going around with Lebron or Janas. Mvp How much to two questions first. How much do players in the League? Actually care about that type of stuff. I know it's important to win these awards and it means a lot for off the court endorsements in your contract and it is meaningful to a degree but one. How much do players actually lock on that and then to do you actually have an opinion on like like put in perspective because right now it's just a bunch of other MBA twitter nerds tweeting? About why Lebron or Janas. Mvp But maybe someone in the league. Especially I mean you face off with the honest. You're in the EASTBOUND. So what's your kind of thoughts on all that I bought hate analytics. I hate the. I think it was the headline how that's ironic. I mean juror number. You're a nerd. I as far as Basketball's third rollerball outlets who you know and play it. Listen I'M GONNA play. It completely changed the way. All these teams play basketball. Like oh wrong them. All for progression. I'm all for you know the purity of the game but I think analytics tastes purely out of anything but you know it's a it's a business. It's a numbers game and you have to do is best franchise understand that you do what you do. You know it is what it is. You know it's kind of what kind of what makes bashful what it is today but you know outside of that. I think that it'd be race and all kind of stuff guys do. Keep up with it. But it's so media driven is so like Political that Kinda takes a lot of the period out of it now with this year. I mean there's front runners Lebron. I think Lebron could win. Adp every year like what he does for team what he's what he's able to do like either entire career and his consistency has been amazing but basically it wouldn't make sense or it wouldn't help the league if the Brian Win. Mvp every single year. Then it's like okay. It was rigor all the you know now given the honest. Mvp last year did wonders for the game because yacht is obviously had the last year but he's international player in the League wants to go international. You know you have a lot more national guys you have a lot more national viewership you know. I look at like Like rehashing more like to do from the from the wizards like just alone is the Japan. You like Shit. This year has gone through. The roof is George. The number was Jersey in Japan. The more players that you incorporate and more players that you make the pace elite international the more viewing you get on a worldwide basis. That's released shutting. Go so anyway back to my original point If he hard not to get into this year too because that's best record in the league. He has like Earth shattering numbers when it comes to hit analytics per se He's playing great defense You know there's obviously a huge difference when he's not on the floor. I think that's another thing that people don't take into account. Nps Most Valuable Player like most valuable to his team. You know whenever young is the fourth bucks to complete their team whereas Lebron's off the floor the Lakers? They may struggle with it but they still. Anthony Davis still guys come and kind of filling that void and I personally think it'll be back. The dagger be honest but the argument is there for Lebron James. Well Number One team well number one team in the West. I believe other still are very dominant team and potentially with the championship this year. So a lot of things tie into it. I hate that going there. Dr Tried probably number but at the same time you know so so you pretty much just outlined everything Jack and I have been saying all the podcast for the past few weeks because I can. I talk about how pretty much similar to NBA players. We consider the media our enemy because we pride ourselves on being different not like not one thing happens on Tuesday night game and that's the top segment on. I take all these other shows the next day but if we just BOURASSA LISTEN. Take the whole body work to not overreact to everything you see on a daily basis because at the end of the day all these conversations that are being had are are just to get you talking to a Lotta Click Bait stuff or and I think that's a lot about what gets on in the media. I think that's what we're seeing with with. Jaanus Lebron Right now because Jack Jack made a good point. The other day people were saying. O'brien went off on Sunday because he it was huge. Sunday game Prime time in the national solid against crosstown rival the clippers on thinks. He's going to be there at the end. It was just put up his average numbers in that particular game but because it was on such a big stage people are hyping up to be something. It's not when when you take a step back and you look at what Janas doing they. He doesn't have other Essential Co. Mvp candidate he does. Chris Middleton who's having it very very under the spotlight season gotTa be a Fifty Forty Ninety Guy. Twenty points a game but there's a difference between Chris. Middleton and Anthony Davis. I think we can all agree on that. But then you look at this. And he's putting up these Shaquille O'Neal numbers and they're going to win probably seventy games. So I think it's a lot of people just take a step back and actually realize what's going on. Yeah no definitely captain what you were saying like as far as the the prime time game or whatnot like they have to drive a narrative. That's the media's job that's the you know the first take. Espn their job. But one thing I know about those hours. They have their guys that they have to hype up and the Lakers are. They have like one of the one of the biggest followings in the world. You have your big teams. The Lakers Boston New York like even on New York sucks. There's still going to always have a huge following just because they are you know what I'm saying that's how that's how this stuff is like. So yeah they have to drive that they're in the Bron- Kawai like that gets more views. As far as the first taking all that stuff is concerned yes even a wild and out or maximum hose. Name is clear where they're going at it saying those controversial stuff to get you guys talking to get you guys. Say Oh wait. He has a point where really no. He doesn't like just take that what he's saying is true because he's on. I take because he on that. That's probably what was the last time you've heard about the Indiana Pacers like outside of maybe one national. Tv gave like guys were talking about. That's why the heat or he doesn't know talk about monarchy themes like you know what I'm saying like. Yeah whatever. The playoffs starts like. Oh Yeah I forgot Indiana's team we're all these guys were good. You know like outside of Toronto Win. The championship last year or having or having quiet. They didn't talk about the they talked about Toronto. Like that. It's just like little. They have to talk about all the time. You always hear about this bike. Lisa for the knicks or just crazy stuff like they have to drive these bigger market teams. That's where all the revenue that so you just you just sit so many facts but the thing. I heard the loudest because I have to hear every episode from Jack. Jack is a diehard New York Knicks Fan and the loudest thing just said was new. York sucks so jack you literally just killed me on there. You should see my. That was probably a little harsh. So Fargo Horse but my dad. My Dad my dad is a huge knicks fan as well. So if you've listened to this type of Yeah well let me. The facts are is that like the Dixie they just had. It did a good team in the past. I don't know whether it be like ten years or at least forty I think forty to fifty four. But Hey but that being said we lost the next this year. So you know anything can happen in this league. That's kind of how we looked at home. You know so then I was probably a little harsh but I so appreciate I appreciate you. Trying to rebound from that statement at this point. It's just a fact. The Knicks Suck. We're not good like no one's denying that in New York but I do want to clear something up just in a quick little answer because we gotta get to ranked. What is the general feeling around? The League are all the meteoroid ports of literally no wants to play their true or is it. We've just had a bad run for a few years already years harshly. Personally I don't I don't necessarily know what the free agent market like that sense because I think that with the ownership and all that stuff going on over there it's just like I said in the media. It just looks really bad though if guys see all this stuff in the media and see how. It's such like a like such like a for lack of better words. It's like it's like I mean I guess a barn fire over there like you know people were shit show yes. We asked. People see that that the narrative driven and the media is of course. You don't to go play there if you have a choice as a free agent either. GonNa pay you all this money but it's like really worth it you know so. I think the consensus consensus is you know. There's not anything great going on over there. So why why am I gonNA waste my private play? Guinea pig prime free agents. And then you know it's hard to play in New York as far concern. It's hard to go there and before every single diet or just Put on for those fans. 'cause they're just like really fancy claimed that they're gonNA boo like it's just a lot of stuff that yeah you don't you. Don't get the love like you. Do IN INDIANA. There's no Turner's locked. There's pretty much back page about why you suck if you have one bag. Dolan dumpster high real quick. Let's knock out ranked so on today's episode. We're going to rank the best fast food burgers so not combos nop fries included just the actual sandwich the Burger itself so I will begin We go from number three down to number one ranking. I'm going to start with shake shack. That's my number three fast food burger and he retorts that being on the list. Three no less but I think three is a little low. Okay Abe number three for me. I'm not sure if it's all over the country or not a bobby's Burger Palace bobby fillet. He has a burger joy and it is the most. Is that fast food. It's fast casual faster. Shake Shack. Okay. I've never heard of that. Have you heard about? I can't say that I have. I guess the Democrats Yeah I mean. I live in the northeast so there but actually. I live in the northeast. I've never heard of that. Well just the more research to see if that's true. Qualify it definitely is miles. Your number three number three for me probably warriors. I actually liked that spot. It's not that and Their their pets more everywhere right. Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean if you're trying like yeah like I said it's not it's not like going to blow your mind but I think it's pretty good you know I'm also shake shake man as well as that would be my number three but I think Wahlberg is pretty solid. I haven't I haven't heard of that one either to be on it much more room. Yeah Yeah they're they're everywhere. The reason we segment participate can read that. Well your mom's a very successful business woman but her first job was actually out of Water. Burger. I've never had. Oh well that's another one. Yeah I was GONNA say you're GONNA ruin the list but I I number two is McDonald's because only because I think the value yeah the value and the consistency and it just brings up childhood memories to me I agree. It's definitely not the most high quality burger. But you get a big Mac or you got to double cheese burgers for two bucks. I think overall all all aspects taken in I'm going with McDonald's far factor. Yes that other one over to Smash Burger these Hulu okay. Eve did not approve of that. One I think Smash Burger is disgusting. Burger Harto maybe. I'm a Burger Harto but I was actually having been conversation with my roommate because we a new segment of my list. Like as long as you don't put Smash Burger we help at bars but that's correct each each there. My number two and Jackson number three shake shack double smoke shack. No Tomato. That's the go-to order every single time. And they also chicken sandwich. That's a freelancer interesting. Okay my number one that I'm actually feel very strongly about and is not in and out in and out so rated I'm going through five guys burgers and five guys. It is that Ju- that one always hits never missed always hits cannot be more number one. It's one I'm okay. So miles is obviously going Waterberg. My only counter to what a Burger I saw Abe. You're going to Austin for a Bachelor Party. You're going to have water burgers so you'll have to act. I listen I listen. There's the greatest thing about what a burger though like. First of all man is a couple of factors that go into weather. Make whatever great. You can't like go to what a burger like. Get it to go way at your house. You gotta get you gotta eat it on the spot true true. I know what I'm saying to don't get a whatever they'll get a number one. That's a common mistake. People make they get a number one or whatever this is trash I know broke either. Get a patty melt or give like a burger. The other stuff you have to do to get to. You can't get like a number one like Oh this is. This is the basic burger like. Nah Bro like you have to do it right. That is the the only thing now. I didn't get my once. You agreed with me. You said five this is just go for it so your number one number one. I wanted to ask more about water because byles I am going to Mauresmo dot calling. It would've burger. It's not water. What what a Burger Waterberg? Yeah anyway down to Austin Texas for my brother's Bachelor Party and I have been to Austin wants to go visit Jack and I. I would never pipe up anything about Jack. His team's his wife anything. But I went to Austin Texas and I swear I've never eaten better food my entire life. The betrayal goes forties black's barbecue. And Waterberg I think dog. Yeah anytime I get a lot of ways. Blake dollar toys everywhere you go. I mean like you said we got the BARBECUE FOR BREAKFAST. Tacos are amazing. That's like you gotta you gotTA GET BREAKFAST. Tacos grow like it's just it's just as Austin my final question and this is going to be my counter to putting water burger number one. I knew it was going to be on your list so I left off. Mine is the Burger though the best item on the Manu or is it the honey butter chicken biscuit. Or is the honey butter. Chicken biscuit actually overrated. I'm curious what your thoughts are. Great question and I have. I have some more valuable insight. The honey butter chicken. This is great when you are. It's three him just came back from the bars. And it's just like some to throw down on. You GotTa make sure you get extra you gotta make you get extra honey butter sauce or the disc will be mighty dry now. I will say that if you just order it first thing in the morning to work or just having with a coffee. It's probably not the best thing on the menu. No these great drunk food. It's great so somebody district throwdown on alert. I drink you know everybody And lastly the best thing on the menu. You gotta get the honey butter. I'm sorry honey barbecued chicken strips sandwiches hair. You add the honey butter sauce. Some people try to substitute the barbecue sauce for the honey. But no you had the barbecue sauce. You ask the honey butter sauce. It's like kind of a sweet intelligent thing and it's absolutely fire so so you're now our second NBA player. We've had on in the past actually two weeks. And I think seventy five percent of the conversation we had you quite have revolved around food. Come LISTEN TO SPORTS. They want the heart. I don't think you understand. Like how valuable that breakdown of the Waterberg manuals from miles. You'll be all and fully be prepared ready to go home. I have one final thing because of Abe up the food. What is your pre game meal Very very basic you know I. I don't like to have a lot like a heavy stomach pasta or I just like a Turkey sandwich like lettuce mayo cheese good to go so Derek whyte when we asked him that question he said it was AAA and so we go all right. What's your order? What's your oil? And he goes right. He goes Blah Blah Blah rice beans and they said chicken so jack and I both sit at the same time. Double Meet Right. He's like no no no not. W we're just like honestly shook. Every time I go to police automated double meeting GUAC but now I'm starting to think that the reason I'm not in the NBA. Because I've got my entire life the other factors as well like I don't know you personally but but I say difficulty. Wipe my guy that I got a chance to play in this summer with the team. Usa stuff he's actually cool to actually I like what he's about and he's doing great things over there in San Antonio Playing position but Now man like and if I pull it it's GonNa it's true stomach of you know like even if you get the chicken like this the way they do things over there like like one of the back. But I can't do that. Go work right all right so you said you don't know much about me but just give me the benefit of the doubt that literally the only reason. I'm not competing against you because I've got that will be all you need to know your good. I thank you miles. We appreciate you coming on. Best of luck on Saturday. Maybe I'll be there man of one Turner's block. Td based on a couple of viruses going around. Now you heard of them but thank you very much best luck. Rest of the season. I do believe The Pacers Iran. Abe does not. So we'll check in after the playoffs and see where we are where we ranked out

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Snake Oil

"If you recall someone a snake oil salesman it usually means that they're trying to defraud someone and more specifically it often implies making false medical claims but what exactly is snake oil and why did it develop such a bad reputation. And why specifically do we use snake oil for such a negative metaphor learn more about snake oil and why we still reference it on this episode of everything everywhere daily. This episode is sponsored by audible dot com by audiobook recommendation. Today is quackery a brief history of the worst ways to cure everything. Lydia king and nate patterson. What won't we try in our quest for perfect health beauty and the fountain of youth. Well just imagine a time when doctors prescribed morphine for crying infants. When liquefied gold was touted as immortality in a glass and when strychnine was given out like viagra looking back with fascination horror and not a little dash of dark humor quackery recounts the lively at times. Unbelievable history of medical misfires and malpractices ranging from merely weird to the outright dangerous cure dozens of outlandish morbidly hilarious treatments conceived by doctors and scientists by spiritualists and snake oil salesmen. That were predicated on a range of clueless trial and error and straight up scams. You can get a free one-month trial to audible and to free audiobooks by going to audible. Trial dot com slash everything everywhere or by clicking on the link in the show notes. The first thing you need to know about snake oil is that it is an actual thing snake. Oil is not a metaphor. The reason why snake oil became a metaphor for something fraudulent and why snake. Oil salesmen are considered huckster. 's is actually really interesting and it all began in nineteenth century. America as railroads are being built across the country. Much of the labor was being done by chinese immigrants who came over to work on the railroads. Working on the railroad was extremely hard work. Much of the work on railroads in the nineteenth century was still being done by hand. Moving rails and hammering spikes with sledgehammers all had to be done manually. The result of such back breaking labor was at the hands and muscles of chinese labourers would often get very sore to ease their muscle pains. They would often rub their hands and muscles with traditional chinese ointment known as snake oil snake. Oil is an actual product that is created from chinese water snakes also known as irabu snakes. It's been used as a traditional chinese remedy for centuries chinese water. Snakes live in ponds and rice paddies. They're slightly venomous snakes under a meter that feed on fish and infineon's the snake oil which is derived from the water. Snakes is very high in the omega. Three fatty acid known as epa snake oil was and is considered by many people to be effective in relieving the pain of ailments such as arthritis bursitis and sore muscles. A modern study found that oil from chinese water. Snakes actually allowed mice to perform better on cognitive tests. Take for that what you will. The chinese workers began to share their remedy with american workers who are working on the railroad and the product began to grow in popularity as the demand for snake. Oil grew people began to figure out ways to meet that demand. Enter into the story. One clark stanley. The self proclaimed rattlesnake king stanley wanted to meet the new demand for snake oil so he created a product known as clark stanley. Snake oil intimate. Just knowing that the word snake was in the title he began using rattlesnakes for the product however a rattlesnake is not a water snake and they have totally different fat profiles eventually however he totally abandoned. The idea of putting rattlesnake oil in the product altogether for twenty four years stanley traveled around the country. Touting the medicinal benefits of his snake oil intimate he created a massive show that he toured with positioning himself Frontiers mun while creating an elaborate backstory. He sold the product at western shows around the country. He claimed that the recipe for his snake oil lyneham. It came from a hoppy medicine. Man the hoppy did not have anything resembling snake oil and at no point. Did he ever mention the chinese origins of the product. Moreover stanley made claims about the product which went far beyond with your original chinese snake. Oil was used for stanley claim that it would cure. Rheumatism sciatica lumbago a sore throat. Frost-bites tooth aches and many other ailments in one famous demonstration at the eighteen ninety. Three chicago world's fair he's supposedly the product in front of a live crowd science writer. Joe schwarz wrote quote stanley. Reach into a sack plucked out a snake slit it open and plunged it into boiling water when the fat rose to the top. He skimmed it off and used it on the spot to create stanley snake. Oil ligament that was immediately snapped up the throng that had gathered to watch the spectacle unquote those people who bought his product at the chicago. World's fair had the distinction of being one of the few people to buy his snake oil. That actually had snake oil in it. The use of these demonstrations with live rattlesnakes edit excitement to the demonstration and it was one of the reasons why it sold so well in the united states in the nineteenth century there were no regulations or laws regarding the claims. You could make regarding the effectiveness of drugs in medicine in one thousand nine hundred. Five collier's magazine published a scathing article on the fraudulent made by medicine hampsters in response the federal government passed the pure food and drug act in one thousand nine hundred six which is one of the very first consumer protection laws in the country. It prevented the sale of products that were falsely labelled or made exaggerated claims in one thousand nine hundred nineteen a shipment of stanley snake oil lyneham. It was seized by the government and was given to the bureau of chemistry the predecessor of the food and drug administration. What they found was that the product had no snake oil whatsoever. It consisted of mineral oil beef tallow chili pepper turpentine and a waxy substance called camp for after the results of the test became public. Thousands of people who had purchased stanley snake oil intimate realized that they had been had cork stanley was given a fine of twenty dollars and basically disappeared from history having become quite rich after years selling his snake oil. The term snake oil began being used for something fraudulent or for a scam. Likewise a snake oil salesman became synonymous with a quack huckster or fraud. The first written use of snake oil as a reference to something fraudulent was in the nineteen. Twenty seven poem. By stephen vincent bennett. John brown's body. The poem said quote crooked creatures of one thousand dubious trades sellers of snake oil bomb and lucky rings unquote likewise in nineteen fifty-six playwright. Eugene o'neill mentioned it in his play the iceman cometh. he described a character as quote standing on a street corner. And hell right now making suckers of the damned telling him that there's nothing like snake oil for a bad burn and quote today snake. Oil has a very negative connotation. The strange thing is the reason why snake oil is associated with scams. Is that a popular snake. Oil product didn't actually have any snake oil in it actual snake oil and it's unique omega. Three fatty acid profile has actually been found to have health benefits. You can still buy today in traditional chinese pharmacies so the next time that someone says that someone is a snake oil salesman. Just remember that if they're actually selling snake oil it might not be so bad you associate producer of everything everywhere. Daily is thompson. I wanted to let everyone know that this week. I'm going to be launching a new weekly newsletter to go along with the podcast in the process of researching all the episodes. I do for the show. I come across a lot of interesting items which wouldn't necessarily make for good podcasts material. Moreover they're still interesting enough to be shared the newsletter. 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Real_Sports Awards and Special Guest Interview with Joe Schwartz

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Real_Sports Awards and Special Guest Interview with Joe Schwartz

"What's going on? We all sorts FAM- welcome to episode ten of the Real Sports podcast a snapchat sports pod tonight. We have a special edition of the Real Sports Awards and a fun interview with my close friend and D one superstar superstar superstar Joe Schwarz from the Texas longhorns basketball team. Let's get it football offers going to football fogle. What's going on everyone? I'm your host Jack Settlement from real underscore sports on snapchat a one million dollar sports snap accounts fallow if you haven't with me tonight for our special award show is his aim gran up my longtime best friend Abe how we feel. We're feeling good. This is going to be a good episode. I think the real winner in this episode is Joe Schwarz after this interview I think he might start getting calls from N._B._A.. Teams from D. League team or sorry G. Elite Teams D. League. If you're if you're old head if you're an old hand like myself <hes> let's go. Let's do it. Yes we like. We're talking to each other like what do even talk about tonight like this is the tonight after the All star. Break is historically the most dad night in all sports. There's not anything really going on. We got some Summer League Action W._N._B._A.. But there's really anything throw Las Vegas Aces Baby Benefactor in the W._n._B._A.. Resurrection the W._N._B._A.. As you know this is the Las Vegas Aces pod <hes>. I don't know why this is the Las Vegas as Pod so some good money on them but you got some good lines for future because apparently they formed the warriors of the W._n._B._A.. Though yeah I don't really know who their core is and then Liz Cambridge. She's a baller. I'm not waited was what Liz candidate but close out you know I was under the impression Russian their last name was Cambridge and she was somehow related to Calvin Cambridge from one of my favorite movies ever like Mike but yeah big Las Vegas Aces Fan. We got a little bit season laughed and then we're headed to the playoffs with a championship in mind and this future of mine on we'll hit championship her boss if the Ace's win their special giveaway for the real sports pod obviously but let's get into it I the real sports awards presented by Eben Jack. I category is so these by the way the categories and potential answers were given to me by chief content officer so as to have no biopsies here and I had to announce that because as I'm looking at the first category and the first option it's going to seem bias but player. You wish you could have played a video game with as we know the N._C.. Double A. Because of likeness cut N._C._W._a.. Football and N._C.. Double a basketball over the past five years so the options are Lamar <unk> Baby Goat Jackson the greatest player of all time are saquon Barkley Zion Williamson or real sports fan favorite Taco fall a the player. You wish you could play video game with a no no brainer no-brainer real sports fan. It's TACO fall. Could you imagine just like getting the ball in the post and like a double teams coming from like one of your friends and you're playing with him. He's like you thought and just put it over their head and just dunk it in like watching his strides go up and down the court. He is a special specimen of a human being just the way he looks would just be so awkward in a video game to the point where you could just draw probably forty and forty in a game especially if you play on rookie mode which which if you play with Taco fall you probably should because you can't really dominate a video game with big nowadays. It's just like it's kind of like the new N._B._A.. It's just fastbreak dunks and then fuck it a- just shoot a three and from forty feet and see what happens so I'm GonNa Taco Fall. I think that'd be a Lotta Fun given. Did you see him actually a couple. Was it two days ago or something last night yeah last night someone on the nuggets I forget who it was tried taking a charge on him. Maybe like inbetween the foul line in the hoop and I think they were in the fourth fourth row in the stands. It was unbelievable. You can just have that kind of dominance in a video game. It would drive your friend in your opponent crazy and you'd probably win. If you're one of my friends and you're throwing twenty bucks on the game you've probably be profitable about it and you can laugh in their face so Taco fall aw one hundred percent. I would love to play a video game with him. TACO is like you create a player and when you do that you make your guys tall as the game will let you he might like I think in N._B._A.. Two K. the Max you can make a guys like seven six and he might be seven on seven different. I would do in my my players making them like seven six like three fifty tacos. No wait on him but I guess so for me. It came down to two guys and it's only three left so yeah but I'm actually eliminating the baby goat Lamar just because everyone's played with a dual threat quarterback before which is a lot of fun <hes> but Saquon is reminiscent of Reggie Bush who was like known to be one of the most groundbreaking College Ajay Athletes Ever and most fun to play with Video Game But Zion is like that the the way they describe Zionism real life is like you created him yourself in for a video game so darned out window down to him but in in basketball games in in video games is allowed about shooting in Zion shooting sets when be up there so I'm GonNa go with saquon his ability to catch passes as well as run he you could put him in a kick and punt returner which would make him so much fun so I'm going to say on and you guys have other ideas for who you wish you could have played with a video game with <hes>. We're GONNA have it all on our s PA. We're going to have some voting. We're GONNA have some discussions up. Stay tuned for that on our. We're going to post on the on the instagram tomorrow and do me a favor and get creative in the comments like if there's some random guy that we didn't think of I want explanations people. Don't just write a name without any any content behind it. I need to know why you WanNa be this person. We yeah we need explanation. Unlike everyone's saying where Russia go like understand like the grizzlies will tell me why all right <hes> next category for the real sports awards is best rivalry in all of sports in sports history sports now take all those factors into account and the options are red SOx Yankees Ohio State Michigan Football U._N._C. Duke Basketball and Barcelona Real Madrid. We should have had a verse Jack on here but we'll let that slide for now. There's not arrive room. One side dominates it and don't you but anyway that's that's rivalry. I forget the I'M GONNA GO Yankees Red Sox baseball America's pastime pastime heavy heavy on the past the past well come on the balls or juice now. We're getting back into it KLOM but yeah it's it's. It's the American O._J.. It's baseball and they've given us so many great moments throughout the year. I may be wrong on this but I'm never been wrong somebody to go with it that this is the longest lasting rivalry in all of sports so clearly it is the best it's given us so many great moments everything from the air boom Aaron Boone Homerun in. I think it was a game seven of an Al L. C. S.. I remember crushed out to left field colon et AL whatever my personal favorites <hes> a couple of the fights when A. Rod got plunked in the side of the arm he's walking to first base Chirpin the pitcher and then he's Chirpin Jason Varitek and then all hell breaks loose. You just get a huge brawl like we all know. That's the best part of baseball like someone gets plunked. There's a little chirpin and boom benches or clearing <hes> there was another fight where I think it was Pedro Martinez through like throws the big fat bug. I know you know that ball guy is. It's a it's a Yankees bench coach who happened to be seventy two years old like your professional athlete and you're tossing these old man like that is clearly a sick rivalry. You got the the Schilling Bloody sock the coming the red sox coming back from three hour three one three yeah so Yankees Red Sox easy for me. They've given me entertainment in the fight. If given me the big moments in the actual game no-brainer so there's one the real answer is probably Barcelona Madrid but we threw that one on there this is America America yet for the euro but we have to respect the international fans we have about twelve percent of our listeners are from across the pond so we have to pay our respects and twelve percent. Tell your other lads over there overseas and let's get that twelve up to maybe a twentieth Nah. I don't mind that idea. This one's tough because I think U._N._C.. Duke is the more intense rivalry in like a very legit rivalry but they see each other twice a year sometimes three <hes> and they play like I don't know it's basketball. Versus like Ohio State Michigan like people in Ohio literally will not use the letter M. which is seems like the craziest of extremes to go. I know I hate the steelers to death but like I can't imagine writing without using a ladder. So in that writing in general it in that sense I'm going Ohio State Michigan. I grew up in Michigan Fan. My mom went there. My aunt went there. I want to the game last year but I like a decade ago and I'm like in years nine years old at the time and it's a Terrell Pryor team they're headed into the big house huge game <hes> and I print out this Abe by eleven little photo and it instead it's a picture of Terrell Pryor and I write catch in Terrell cryer like literally delay missing in the world at our main my I'm in my blue and maize walking around the stadium. We the sorry let me interrupt yeah home as thing dude. It's yellow. It's the same thing with Texas. My school burnt orange like you just have orange in it so anyways. I'm walking around. I'm nine at the time. A Michigan had just gotten shell but I'm you know full out to route cryer. I'm crying crying crying face and there's these grown adults who are literally making fun of Me Picking on me and not disabled other rivalries like New Yorkers aren't brutal but if you can you can pick on a ten year old or nine year old who just lost by three touchdowns touchdowns <hes> that's a serious rivalry and especially shoutouts steelers ravens. 'cause I come great rabbi. I'm if I'm forty something years old <hes> I'm going with my kid doing eagles cowboys game and won and won eleven year old cowboys fan looks at the wrong way. It's onsite right there. I don't care how old you come to a rivalry game. Be Prepared to take whatever comes your way yeah. We'll have to get into our craziest stadium experiences because I had weird one at the colts <unk> Lonzo but all right moving on to the next category the best team from this past year so this is a category pulled from the espy's options. They're all champions as I believe they should be. We tried to think of non champions but they're all champs Clemson for by U._V._A.. Basketball Patriots Role Champs Raptors <hes> Red Sox blues and then the U._S. Women's soccer team who just won the their fourth World Cup. WHO's your pick? I'M GONNA go Clemson here mostly because I didn't really I'm not definitely not picking the rafters U._S.. Women all hats off to you back to back World Cups four of the eight total women's World Cups uh-huh but Clemson was just a powerhouse all year in the hardest conference in football on there and the AD. They're always playing Alabama so I just think it's like they're in the S._e._C.. But they were just dominant throughout they lose once this year they absolutely steamroll Miami in the semi final and Notre Dame should wrong thing notre dame and and then they went into the national national championship game and all the hype was around to an Alabama and how this might be the best Alabama team yet and they embarrassed them and won the national title and I liked travel orange his hair. He's got a sunshine resemblance uh-huh and best team of the year yeah. I think that I I'm on board with Clemson. I think the way they're just determined this is in question like how you WanNa look at. It and I think it's who was the most dominant within their league over the course of the year including the champions or you could say the most success that was unwarranted like the blues were last raised halfway through the new N._H._l.. But not much of a hockey guy myself to steer clear of that. I think that I think that now there I that was on I agree. I think it's constant but now that I'm thinking about it. It might be the raptors because of the durant injury it makes it tough but the raptors were that team who just broke another diet like I broke another dynasty which could could make them the best team U._V._A.. Out of their own dynasty by getting hurt but continue but U._V._A.. They weren't crazy dominant. They are really good team but they couldn't beat Duke this year <hes> the Patriots and they played Eric Orange style yeah and the super bowl was so boring. I can't give the Patriots so I'm GonNa go clemson but I could see a lot of arguments for the raptors and obviously the U._S.. Women were unbelievable so shouts to them 'cause you lose will get blues had a great year because for the eighty eight percent of listeners who are from America Go U._S.. And Suck it best game of the year options are were heavy <hes> championship football championship level football here but raptor sixers game seven I think by chief content officer through that Embryo Virginia Purdue Elite aac game which was special then you have the F. C.. Championship Chiefs Patriots Goes O._T.. Not N._F._C. Championship Saints Rams gets disrupted by pass interference non call and my pick. I'm going to start on this. One chiefs rams Monday night football fifty four fifty one. Let me tell you this. This game was like it was electric. I think I was in my living room watching just like standing up just watching a regular simple bugging it was the two best teams in the game. At the time it was non-stop scoring it was clearly a game of madden but with like there was <unk> defensive touchdowns literally everything you could want outside of it being a playoff game so that's my pick chiefs rams money. I football fifty four fifty one. What a game pro that was that was when I was in my when I first started working everything thing and I was in Mike? My I have to go to bed really early like nine o'clock and I want to sleep yeah. I wanted to sleep at halftime but I'm GonNa tell I'm going to but like when I tell my kids about it. I'M GONNA be like yeah. This was the sickest game ever. I watched the whole thing. I didn't sleep that night so my kids will never listen to this but the bell the year before you get into a tell the pod about the new job that's going to allow you to at least stay up later because we need to announce exciting living life accomplishments. Oh yeah well real sports fan. I have recently quit my job in corporate America. Don't be afraid to do so once the time comes I know you're all relatively young and I will be starting getting a new job at a sports gambling company that provides lines and odds to casinos and bookmakers in Europe and now they're opening their first office in the U._S.. So my job will be essentially to watch sports so that should make for some better content on the pod but some exclusive neshat outcome candidate shows Marcus Camby Shadow markets market breath game of the year and by Best I mean worst was the the raptors sixers game seven. I remembered obviously but like was the was the full game really exciting or was it just like the final six minutes okay well. I kind of blacked out the entire game because like you all know I'm a huge the sixers fan I was like so this was on mother's Day. I remember like I made my mom change her mother's Day dinner plans so and she was very she understood and I love her for that shout to my mom and I get back in time and watch it on my roommate in here and we're just on hands and knees the entire time and it was back and forth throughout like even in the fourth quarter when it was just cau I midrange and being the posed J._J.. Mesa crazy eighty three was a game of runs and then like. I really thought we were GONNA win. When Jimmy Butler steals the inbound like with like two minutes left he's jumping on Anglo? I'm like this is it. This is it this is it and then that God damn robot i. I think we all can agree that was like the top sports moment or at least in the N._B._A.. Of the year when you hit that shot <hes> too bad you'll never get that ever again Toronto. Don't work that made because you're pissed. I mean they're the ones that's what's would the disrespect Rana we have six percent of our non kidding but we're honored Arana's a good spot what did you do you remember Virginia Purdue Alita. <hes> I think that was that was that was crazy. Game Carson Edwards was just pulling up from guards lane. The white kid was pulling away and then and then the fresh it yeah he's the hunter at game-tying shot or something yet the buzzer it was nutty. It was it was Andy. That's an honorable do Tennessee elite are sweet sixteen justice crazy. That was a great game all right final category from the real sports awards best retired athlete from the past year. Hey give for however you want it. This question. They may have to have retired like just like is visit at the actual best players the player. You'd like the most whatever <hes> Dwyane Wade Dirk Nowitzki Ichiro were grunk on you. Go ahead first with US one hoof. This is a tough lip. Wait a second wait. Grab counted tired. Why do we think he's retired well? He he's currently retired so we're counting it. I I know he was starring passes Brady like literally yesterday worst. You'd be retired. Have you seen. In a picture of him he looks got off. Look all muscle mass yeah. He's what do you think he's doing. He's just partying crushes. He's worth millions has multiples. Role Rings has a very beautiful girlfriend. I I wouldn't be putting my brain in risk at that point yet to your PEC guide each rose such a legend and he's like the Man D. Wade obviously top three shooting guard of all time <hes> but I'm going Dirk because he defeated fielded Lebron James Single Hanley in an N._B._A.. Finals he is route show Jason Terry Stop Jason Terry did he did play Nice violence but dirk was the man he had game winning shots in that finals. He's one of the greatest greatest scores of all time is he. The Greatest European basketball player of all time I think so right <hes> I mean until Luke until Luka finish his career. Probably I guess it's him or Frank Ntilikina this point but I'm going dirk. WHO's your I? I like the dark. I was hoping you didn't pick delayed because I actually like I lost a lot of respect for like he made the whole m._b._a.. Season about him and it pissed me off so much with these Jersey swamps and everything this I hate the retirement tour more than anything like Dirk. Did it the right way. He didn't tell anyone who's retiring just went about his business and did it the right way so I'm glad you chose dark over delayed while the rest of the options each row grunk each Iraqi. I'M NOT GONNA go with any of those options. Actually the correct answer for this question is marshawn Lynch. Marshawn Lynch is one of my favorite football players of all time he just recently retired. He's has given us so many great moments like he was rejected in a chiefs raiders game in like twenty seventeen and then he left the game and then they flash to him in like a hood mask literally watching the game in the stands on a Thursday night football game and Marylanders anything to him Clark Yeah the Gulf Martin Yeah you have the classic him eating skittles on the sideline the beast mode rhyme where and Charlie bleeped us out where he was like Holman and I think everyone remembers where they were for that game. I was Oh shoot. I said that I was I was in your basement. We Watch that game in your basement together yeah. I think that was a year. The Eagles didn't make the playoffs playoffs in the Ravens did and then we watch like the ravens game or something there but I remember being in your basement for that game and then the infamous when he went to the Super Bowl too. I'm just here so I won't get fined like marshawn. Lynch is an absolute go. He was obese on the field. Also oh so marshawn Lynch. We're GONNA miss you. Feel free to come back with your anteks. Actually you know what we should replace Jason Witten on Monday night football with marshawn Lynch. Oh my God that would be legendary. Bush game play of his career is not getting the ball on the goalline actually yeah but like out of all the beasts quake against the saints in the was unbelievable. The the final thing is well two things one lynch in comparison to like career milestones statistics. You have like D. Wade two time N._B._A.. Finals champion or three time Champ Finals M._v._p.. Dirk Finals M._v._p.. Each route like the most hits for whatever gronk one of the greatest titans ever lynch like a very good running back but Lynch 'cause you know how they feel about drafting running backs high. I said the giants even though saquon generational talent town they shouldn't take him 'cause you can't do anything with the star running back. He is my warn guy. I always pull out the stat in the past decade. There's only been one team that a top five running back to win the Super Bowl and that is lynched the year they what it so. It couldn't go to call you out in front of a Real Sports Fan Marshall Richmond twelve are shown Lynch went twelfth all right sorry top-five running back by stats all. I thought your nurse Semi my point. Is that like you actually don't need like running back by committee works just as well. The Patriots won like five doing the eagles same deal with your your boy la- Garrett <unk> J. Jaggi in court <unk> touchdown he was he was undrafted. Rookie point is don't draft Ernie Max Hi that wraps up the real sports awards. Thank you guys for listening definitely go check out our pod add on instagram. We'll have some fun fun debates and we want to hear your opinion so we're really yeah get creative with these responses. I WanNa have some good banter before we head into our special first time interview Joe Schwarz just a special mansion to Harry's Harry's is great great for shaving. They have unbelievable trials for you. Guys Terry's DOT COM backslash blue. Just check it out like honestly I started shaving last year I tried Harry's pretty legit Scott Oven and and blue wire are has some nice stuff so they have good deals so check out Harrys Dot Com backslash blue now. Let's get to the interview now. Introducing the unreal sports podcast first career guests a six three shooting guard from the University of Texas Joe Schwarz Gel the real sports fan the Oggi's are they know you best because as I highlighted your stored senior season <hes> when we started the real sports page but let's let's. Let's teach the people a little about Joe so in your career you appeared in eight games you average point five points per game point one rebounds point one assists sixteen point seven percent from the field but in your freshman year you were the highest career shoot you the highest career shooting percentage in the history of D. One athletics from three. You're one for one from three and in your freshman season you had twice the player Efficiency Rating of Zion Williamson so <hes>. Why did you continue to play after your freshman near like what you didn't want to retire? I mean some people told me it was probably time to hang it up after after that one for one season one hundred percent and maybe should listen but I mean the efficiency rating is what is what sports is all about and you've got. You've got better stats than I do so I can't knock you for that but for the Real Sports Sam that doesn't really know about Joe. Joe Was a walk on at the University of Texas so joe for for our for our listeners who are aspiring college athletes. Do you mind just sharing with them. Your experience the decision process deciding to walk on and maybe some challenges you faced and how you were able to overcome those challenges in Actually Ashley Enjoy Your College Your College career as well as being a college athlete as a walk on definitely definitely so first off. I do have to give a shout out to the real sports fan because as Jack mentioned he did highlight my a senior season everything from warm-up shots to traveling Joe Couple Games on the road <hes> that trip to Lawrence Kansas was pretty crazy that once never wanted Allen fieldhouse but <hes> when you've got one of your did you be Kansas in your career beat. We beat Kansas one time in my career freshmen near what I freshman year and didn't get into that game design no and so actually no we did not be Kansas Kansas Uber Right now that I think about it we did not because this year when we beat them at home I was talking to a few of the guys I was like. Wow y'all got to do something that I didn't get to do which hoping in the next few years <hes> the ceiling feeling is is going to get a little bit higher and we're GonNA follow in the footsteps of the football team which is on pace. I think to win a national championship next year but <hes> that's correct where we're starting. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA START N._C._A._A.. Tournament in <hes> make little run but yeah so the walk on stories kind of interesting and very humbling for me because I came from a small private school in Waco which is the home of Baylor and <hes> in high school. I was the best player in my high school team and my graduating class had twenty six blacks weird flex Joe but can you yeah I. It's just it's one of those things where I would I didn't have I didn't have any <hes> any real guys to pick from. It wasn't one of the things we have to try out for your varsity team. Every year like we just didn't have the numbers like that and so in high school my sophomore junior senior junior year <hes> as I was getting older I started to focus more on basketball and towards the middle of my senior year as when I really became interested in the walk on process and that's when got in touch with coach Barnes but a little bit of historical background when my mom was an Alabama in the eighties as a student coach Barnes as the assistant coach at Alabama and my mom actually works in their basketball office. So how closely did they work. Work together because I've heard rumors yeah no they they. They were closed in my my mom did a lot of hard work in Alabama but <hes> it was never I can't say never a place I wanted to go. I just <hes> Texas. There's always dream school and then <hes> throughout my senior year was in contact with the coaches and then the summer after my senior year of high school so going into my freshman year that's when that's when the challenge is really started on and off the court <hes> when you get introduced to a kid named Jack Settlement on of course <hes> and you find out that he's going to be one of your best friends for the next four years but you also find out that you have a six and work out the next morning. It's Kinda tough to to balance those and so that summer was really challenging meeting a bunch of New People from out of state and like I said coming from a small private school had never been around that many people <hes> <hes> Waco's a really small city and I had my select group of friends and you're going into an ocean as a small fish at the University of Texas in meeting kids from out of state <hes> and basketball wise the competition Asian was better than anything I'd ever played against and so it's tough trying to to find that balance but I'd honestly say being able to be friends with guys who were not involved in athletics Texas his end having friends that were involved in athletics especially guys on the basketball team that summer that kind of helped me stay sane it. It didn't make me poor all my eggs in one basket whereas all basketball Canada social life but it was also like I can't have a crazy busy social life and still play basketball so the thing that was also challenging was for me. I had nothing guaranteed going into it. They told me that there may not be a spot available on the team immediately in by my sophomore year <hes> that may be the first time that I really put a Jersey on and <hes> so I I stayed patient and persistent in I kept showing up to work outs. I just kept putting the work in head down and luckily a few things went my way. <hes> we had a couple of players. Leave the team shoutout demarcus croker. I'm all right. Oh my gosh and I actually I was. I was at dinner tonight with with Connor Lambert <hes> nets and connors one of my good friends and we you're talking and I said I said I will always have a special place in my heart for Demarcus croker because had he had he not made the decision to go move back closer to home to Murray State <hes> I would not have had the opportunity to probably be on the team and <hes> the one thing that I love about demarcus is that night the first night that he told coach that he was transferring. We had a game and that was the first game that I played in against Lipscomb and Demarcus at texted me after shootaround 'cause he didn't come to shoot around obviously as Lisa I'm going to be at the game and so sitting front row with some of the people on our basketball stout the office staff I check into the game I hit my three camera pans to the bench miles and Isaiah to my best friends a jump up and then they they pan the camera right to demarcus and he's just hooting and hollering jumping up and down and from teammate perspective from a friend perspective. He's he's a special guy and <hes> like I said someone that's always going to have a special place in my my heart and he really opened the door for a lot of opportunities at Texas. Yeah I remember like you didn't even have Union Giger number your official Jersey until was it later in the season or Zoff or a year later in the season. You probably were a little confused because the shooting top didn't come off after that that three pointer one in so no one really got to see the Jersey which Schwartz on the back but it's funny because the announcers that game they they said and I think I'm quoting it the right way. They said that he had the Blood Jersey on so in case someone gets hurt New Jersey and they can't get it off. There's just an extra Jersey number forty one and <hes> so the question is you're Kinda like Kobe in Jordan in a sense like number forty one Joe Schwarz taxes is like the Greatest D. One basketball player ever so right but then number twenty five has all the experience so which which is the better version forty one or twenty five. That's a tough question. I think if we're just talking I mean statistically I think you have to go with forty more than the stats and the numbers don't lie don't lie though Oh so forty-one would would be the one I would go with but I I have to say for being a six three private school shooting going coming from a decently decently Athletic Family Dad Played College Ball. Mom Played Sports in high school and I mean brother was all intermural Morterero. I mean this kid. I think I have a lot of Texas year. Just all the Dr Fits in Suffolk get. That kid has more intermural championships than anyone. I know it's a volley water volleyball sand volleyball softball flag football. I mean this kid was I actually lived with him. <hes> his senior year my junior year in four nights a week this kid so I got real this intermural that I thirty tonight and I'm like thirty what receiving yards of points I mean I couldn't keep up with the sports. He was flying but <hes> no. I think that <hes> the experiences that I had <hes> with with twenty five were you can't beat them. You're talking China a trip to the Bahamas a trip to Australia a trip to Portland up to Nike's campus to play in an incredible tournament with the top Nike schools and <hes> had some ups and downs along the way but we can get into those on a little bit. I was GONNA ask we'll one of the things you mentioned was that you know. One of the things we never got to accomplish was us in a win a tournament game and I don't need to but I have to mention that the two tournament games we lost while you're there were like the most excruciating games ever but what was your favorite game because we did have a lot of really really a fund wins. Mine was the second half run against Oklahoma Buddy healed. It was like eighteen o run and I've never heard the stadium so loud. What was your favorite i? I I mean what the fans need to realize. In the Oji real sports fan they know that as soon as those gates open doors open settlement was the first one in the stand like most of the time he was there before I I even came out of the locker room because he had to be courtside so he could shoving what shoes a hat on. I mean he had the camera ready but I think that that game the buddy healed game. I and I remember vividly. It was <hes> <hes> we we might have been losing halftime but that second half you're right we went on it was an eighteen run and then we ended the game. The final is a twenty five to run like the last five minutes of the game and that place was absolutely electric and and it's just the one thing about the Erwin Center is it's very very big and very rarely does it sell out but when it does that place gets loud and so that game I'd say one of my other favorites in most unique week is probably the North Carolina game and people said the other day if they know Texas basketball I mean we went on a buzzer beater against the number four team in the country at the time but what people might not know is that morning I think six total players here's had final exams including three starters and Devan have one John did know what happened. Oh we we know what happened but that's I mean he had a game to play in. You know we were folks on but but what's so special about that is he and Isaiah and demarcus and kindle. I think like none of those guys went to shoot around in the morning because they had to take their final exam and so for me I had a final exam that day in the four o'clock game my finals from one to four and being the all academic Provost Award Academic All American I am <hes> I had to do on that final and that was a rough semester for me because we went to China for eight days eight school days <hes> and then two days after you back from China there's a weekend and then we leave for the Bahamas so missed quite a bit of school that semester so needless to say that final exam carried a lot of weight for me so it was one of those where I really had to to buckle down and so I went and took my final exam emission around in the morning and one of my buddies was actually waiting in his car outside my exam and we drove to the Erwin Center and there were no parking spots left a sell out for North Carolina kid parks on the curb on the cement median and leave my car. Are there and we run on the tunnel. It felt like the scene from like Mike when all the guys are on the scooters and he's like well. I don't have a ticket for the game and I was like let's go. We're just going to the tunnel. I took my final exam in my uniform not that I was GONNA play that. Be ready just in case I had my my Columbia Levin's customized with burnt Orange Longhorn my initials I mean everything looked good but now now we got a game to play and <hes> for us to come out and execute the game plan how we did without having shoot arounds in scouting and all that because of the academic schedule that was pretty impressive I mean anytime you want a game on a buzzer beater. One that's kind of underappreciated appreciate it also because of the outcome of our season was the Andrew Jones Buzzer Beater Against O._U.. And everything that happened with Andrew that season overcoming that was the season season before but this was this was coming off a season. This is in the middle of the season where we were eleven and twenty two I believe and it was a game that the last two minutes we turn the ball over six times and we're missing layups given them open layups. I think we're up by like five or six and they ended up taking the lead they miss a free. Throw and Andrew goes down in these kind of just stalling but there's not much time left and he gives us guide decent crossover and just heaves one up and I remember dillon grabbing my arm because Dylan was read starting at the time Oh Sikorsky and he grabs my arm and when that shot went in I've never felt someone squeeze an arm. Did I mean I thought I was GONNA lose my arm art. I thought he was trying to amputate it but <hes> that was that was pretty special to see and then one of the most emotional games I would say northern out of that yeah well out. I was GONNA say outside of the half court shot to northern Iowa because I think that was for the for the really don't know in what was at twenty sixteen in the opening round northern I will beat Texas on what a three quarter court little little bit behind half court and he banked it in and this what's so devastating about that game is that we were the very very last game to be played of the first to like the first and second day of the tournament so we had seen the R._J.. Hunters <hes> three pointer that he had made we had seen a couple other Buzzer beaters on T._v.. And you're like oh well we got a chance and we were down in that game and then we went up we are bigger in the first half and we went down and Isaiah hits the floater to tie it and we're like if it goes into overtime we've got <unk> foul trouble and Jespersen. That kid catches at one dribble Kinda EUROSTEP and banks. I I knew like right when he's not going to end well now but like I was selling ahead the one that was very emotional and we'll probably touch on a little bit <hes> was so after Andrew was diagnosed with leukemia the next game. We're playing T._C._U.. On a big Monday so we find out on Sunday night the Andrews diagnosed with leukemia and he's obviously not going to be with the team for the rest of the season. He's going to be in Houston getting treatment very emotional night the night before the game and then obviously on Game Day. Everyone's wondering how the how the heck can we focus on Ashbal when one of our teammates is fighting for his wife and <hes> we play in a double overtime that game were missing two starters plus Andrew and the Point Guard for T._C._U.. Goes Coast to coast and has as a finished at the rim that you may block to ninety God block the shot and just seeing I mean it's my it's my computer background now. <hes> just seeing the joy after that game in the emotion I mean I've never seen Moore players coaches crying after a win that we did that night because up until the game no one was focused on basketball imagine I guess what fifty minutes double overtime game like it was it was really special allows and finally the last thing I'll add is that one more with so many Oklahoma moments but there's another one because last year trae young Game Day comes we beat a year and then two years ago two years ago I was considering this year. Whatever the Mogambo dunk that just set the crowd literally ablaze so have great moments against speaking Mogambo Ombu this Jack that was a good segue into this question Joe? You've played with a lot of guys mostly bigs who are now making a name for themselves in the N._B._A.. Most notably miles turner a few years back Mugomba Jackson Hayes and Jared Allen who who who did you who was the guy that you saw play right away during practice during a shoot around where you're like holy crap this guy's is the real deal like if you were to pick one out of the four them obviously they're all unbelievable talents but which one of those four really stuck out to you like this kid has special oh man that's tough because as similar as all of them are they. They've all got different things that they're really good at and before before I decide on the four one thing I will say is when I was in high school. I played a little bit of every one two three and four generally play the five much much but it taught me very quickly playing with these guys that you're not allowed to go in the paint and try and shoot away up because the ball will end up in the bleachers everyone time and I mean I remember freshman year. I tried to go up reverse layup on miles and we were practicing down in the Erwin Center and not on a practice court and he blocked it in the third row. Coach Barnes just looks at me and goes if sorry I wouldn't do that again. Straight base and just stow like no emotion at all just looks at me calm voices if are Yo- would never do that again. I mean we're we're a pockets of takes and if the four of them here this podcast they've got to hear your choice. WHO's it get a bit? Who was that one special guy right away right Dan? I it's a tough one side. GOTTA FIT I. I'm struggling because I don't WanNa make anyone mad but I I think miles how which which is very interesting and I'm GonNa Touch on on my decision on picking him and I was always into Hoop Knicks eight balls life and I had seen in all miles highlights and the reason that I'm picking him is because he was the first of the four that I got to play with and see play and for me coming from a small private school seeing a kid like that on on a big stage was very impressive. Now I knew from the second from Jackson Haze from the visit when he came to campus 'cause I was a senior when he was a senior in high school when he came on his visit and we watched him workout workout and he practice with the team like I knew that had some special because you can't teach a kid how to catch a ball at an age at eighteen nineteen years old you gotta learn that either have it or you don't and his hands are incredible. He's probably got one of the fastest second jumps and highest second jumps out of any big that I've ever played against and there's a I mean he's talking about someone like jared who's explosiveness. His touch jared's touch around the rim. I mean it's like watching guys from back in the seventies and eighties footwork's incredible incredible and then you see someone like Mos just a freak the one of the longest guys I've played against like all special talent and <hes> I think I was so it was like I o obviously you saw exactly exactly. I was just starstruck by I've got a follow up question to that. You mentioned Mo- lest. How much do you hate the song Mogambo now being played a lot well? It's funny because before the the song even in came out we were listening to it on A. I'm pretty sure it was like a text from Shek what like an M._p.. Three file from Shek no like I wrote this song about you. We're like blaring in the weight room and I mean very catchy and not like very quickly but yeah it took a while but but like it got to a point where even he would stop answering facetime calls. I would face on every time. The song came on when I was listening to it whether it's in the car at a bar or anything like that whenever the song came on face I'm him and he's like all right. This is this has stop and now it's kind of the point where I was like this has Assad like if he started people face on they might just be me. I mean you never answered my face on anymore but big term I know he's he's Hollywood now but he's really Orlando which I put on twenty pounds of muscle this off season did he really we'll see Marquel might be a lethal duo down there. Yeah I mean that's that's the other thing about these kids. They come in their kids their kids they're little babies and seeing seeing them develop. I mean what miles has done in the N._B._A.. Compared to what he did in college is Scary Jackson has done. I mean Jackson's junior year of high school. I don't even think he was starting a new one point game and the kid went for. Twenty eight last night I didn't see his final stat line tonight because I was driving but <hes> he played really well tonight <unk> a little bit of the game to see what jared stunned like. I think jared an miles both got votes on defensive player of the year this year which is incredible for P._J.. Did Not have been yet discussions absolutely crazy but that's that's all I mean Jarrett Jarrett has that signature moment this year of stuff and Lebron at the Rim exactly speaking of I'll go house loom Lebron yeah <hes> Yep speaking of all these N._B._A.. Players Jack Naira Fan on this podcast of giving ourselves N._B._A.. Player comparisons who would most resemble in terms of style play on the court now from what I've gathered from your wikipedia you being boys Jack Our conversations. You're you're a little bit of a sharpshooter. I mean you're one hundred percent. <hes> three point percentage at the end of your freshman year decided to come back and ruin it. That's a different story but who would you. Who would you give your M._B._A.? Player comparison and just so you know for contacts. I gave myself Russell Westbrook so don't be shy I gave Jack Lonzo. Who'd I give myself like camp as is more dream on all over the place? Yeah boy do a little bit of everything so I just touch on a bunch of players. But who would you compare yourself to in the N._B._A.. In terms of style apply are we talking current players or hey shoot for the stars. Whatever do you want I mean I'd have to compare myself to M._J.? Oh my God but now it's tone it down and now now now don't you for the star shoot for the clowns up M._J.'s freshman near era shoot for the clouds well. There's I like Goran Dragic game. Okay I mean that's that's a reasonable comparison paerson attack. The rim like that might have been that kind of guy see. That's the only reason I'm kind of not as much like him but I used to be a decent slasher. I another guy that I mean I could compare to because I can shoot what the best one is Ray Allen. This is amazing. This is the content we need quick release. I mean everyone remembers that shot that he hit Miami. He didn't even look down. I don't have to look at that. It doesn't matter I walk in the gym and get buckets like I feel myself like I could be wearing flip flops. I could be wearing baseball cleats on wood floor checkup. Let's go out shoot anyone tamie mentality and on a Fraternity Court Basketball Court as Jack. I know he's what the well the funny story that I was actually about to get into the perfect segues we went on little scavenger. Hunt are fresher Rushmere Mayo in our crew <hes> and I beat you Wanna one even though you're in San hose just had to throw it out there <hes> and deny jeans onto but a window Lynn but I was GonNa say is one of my greatest memories from college. which is that night we broke into the Baylor football same the night after they won the big twelve championship we walk out of the state like real early playing football on the field because there was a chain link missing in the fence that we could sneak in and then one of our friends ends crashes a golf cart into the security and then on the way out the cops like show up in like? Were you guys doing. We're like Oh we're just walking around the stadium and <hes> I like pretty much. Tell the worst lie eyebrows year where here last night <hes> but I just wanted to see the stadium for the first time and at that point the cop these frigging idiots were just in the stadium or they didn't have any proof but do you have one last <hes> <hes>. Do you have any story that can top that from your your years on the team that are that are P._g.. Thirteen of course don't be scared over here is our is our audience thirteen enough while I'm getting old. That night was a lot of fun yeah that was. I said that was a fun night. <hes> let's see I might need a second. Let's while you think about it. Another number changed thirty five to seven. Why did Katie not come to my next like what's go with that route doing this again Jack? We're not doing this again. We are an abomination which every live with it take Marcus Morris I at least he's choosing the next he can settle the <hes> the argument. We have a bet Joe Avenue I have I said when Katie comes back his first full season will average twenty seven again. Do you think I'll come back to his full for him. I think he's that elite. I think he'll I if I had to take an over under on twenty seven. I take the over thank you twenty six and a half is reasonable joe okay well. I would take the I mean. You're the public in the public always loses the past. If you statistically the past three years I guys the best player on the planet you can Lebron is incredible. Don't get me wrong but the way Kevin had played the past three years is about as elite as it can get can score <unk> over anyone and when he want any night that he wants outside of Harden Guy he harding and get fifty or sixty when he wants he will take fifty or sixty shots but the emmy westbrook will trying fifty or sixty. He's GonNa shoot sixty shots myriad speaking the only flying speaking of Katie posted on my personal instagram special guests interview for taste pod to picture of you in the fellows on the team most notably mowing K. D.. I've got a lot of people that think that Katie's coming on the pod and hopefully maybe one day he will how many how many times have you met Katie I have met a let's see <hes> probably six or seven. Does he know your name all right I I actually I know you've met durant seven times but I know I have the best durant story out of we we met Kevin Durant because of an organization yeah man and one of my friends grew up in Oklahoma City and he literally said it was like his mother and Kevin Durant raised him like you didn't care about his father and he got to meet Kevin and he will take a picture and he starts peeing himself. He got so nervous. Oh my Lord so your name Antionette question now so it's funny you ask because the first time that I met him were on the rose but it's he knows who I am so okay so I'll meet them at Oklahoma state while he was still playing in Oklahoma City next year comes back or at a football game and a and and it was our alumni weekend so he had come and play pickup with us <hes> and he asked me up and he goes. Hey you're the white frat boy average erupts in like like he's now. I think honestly if I if I see him. He would probably know my name if I told him I said I played at Texas in he would say yeah. You're joe like there's a a cool video I have <hes> and it was from one of his boardroom episodes. I think when he's touring our facility and and he adopts me up and it's in slow motion it's it's incredible. I'm actually GONNA send it to you now but <hes> it is. That's probably one of my favorite moments was getting adapt up Gedeon than being on the E._S._p._N.. <hes> I don't think the listeners will be the ones that saw my hi insurance story <hes> The way this interview is gone. You've been great. I don't think there'll be too disappointed. Me Probably would've made Katie cry by this time that sensitive little girl yeah but some people were expecting Katie but I guess you're the next S. thing being that white fat kid the care. I thank you for coming on. We appreciate we're definitely going to have you back on <hes> sometime in the future as being the I guess we hope to have your many any more time. <hes> let's say last just make a prediction. Let's say Super Bowl prediction. Would two teams plan the Super Bowl. Oh Man <hes> I know who's GonNa win the Super Bowl and the big. Tom Brady Guy Big Brady guy. I I I'd like to see I don't say the Eagles or I'd I'd like to see the saints near me to you. At ease aims Patriots Yeah Saints Patriots Yeah I think I think I'd go saints Patriots all right there you haven't oh thank you very much brow- it's been a great time. We'll have you on again. I'm I'm sure the listeners are going to love it appreciate it. Thanks thank Y'all and real sports fan. y'All you'll know where to follow. Follow these guys. They're hitting already have made a big time. Ya'll Paul's piece please. Everyone East guys. Thank you peace love. Thank you for listening to our award show and our special interview with Joe. 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71. John Allore: Unsolved Murder of Theresa Allore in Canada

Reverie True Crime

1:15:29 hr | 10 months ago

71. John Allore: Unsolved Murder of Theresa Allore in Canada

"Hello my name. Is joe schwarz and i would like to take a moment to tell you about my podcast. It's called still unknown. And it's a podcast dealing exclusively with unsolved murders disappearances unexplained deaths and other unsolved mysteries. If you are a fan of the classic. Tv show unsolved mysteries. Then you'll definitely want to check out my podcast. As many episodes deal with cases feature on the show that still need answers. So look for still known on apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever. You are listening to this podcast here. Unless salsa mysteries together this episode is brought to you by the slashing cast podcast network learn more at slash cast dot net. Have mr john lore here and welcome to the show. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me page. Oh yeah And we're here to talk about your sister. Teresa and her case is it will it has been unsolved since the seventies yeah and i was kind of wondering how she was as a person and as a child growing up in how you to relationship light vigilant you to your shirt so you know I grew up in a family of two siblings. Two three kids I have an older brother. Andrei and theresa was the eldest two and so at the time of her her death. She was nineteen andrea was eighteen. And then i was fourteen if that gives you an idea of kind of separation and and because because theresa under were so close in age there was a lot of friction there that didn't necessarily exist between me and theresa. It was enough distance. That i don't think anyone ever felt threatened or anything like that. It was very clear that she was my big sister. And i was her little brother and there was never going to be a misunderstanding or stepping on toes or anything like that so there was a greater comfort with. I wouldn't say that the conflict with andrei In fact that the you know the three of us were as kids. Pre- pretty much thickest. Thieves in terms of playing and and all of that stuff until the age were know once you get socialized in school and you form your own social groups and things like that that things began to change so i mean teresa because she was the eldest was very much What you would expect from an eldest Young woman Particularly in that age A trailblazer letter. You know. not that. She's the only one and i don't wanna pay to pitch that. She's so unique and all that but she you know she was always full sails to the wind willing to try things and go out on a limb That was you know what seem like exotic biking trips and and and always going to you know the the fringes of of things. Whether it's you know exploring new areas of the city. I mean we grew up in montreal. Which at that. Time in the late sixties early seventies was very exotic place and was getting. You know national attention. I think i think up up to that time. Even canada felt had a tremendous inferiority complex until the world's fair in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven where all of a sudden not only canada but montreal was on show and all these people were coming to see what we were about. Very very exciting. And i would say the treaty was very much caught up in that enthusiasm so so has she became a teenager and all that You know the best concerts were coming to montreal. She was going to see david bowie and electric light orchestra and all of this and and disco was coming into fashion so she was going to go to the clubs. And i don't wanna paint pollyanna version of this either. It was the late. Seventy so yeah. It was recreational drugs. Yeah so there was. There was a there was marijuana. there was hash Not so much cocaine. Nobody could afford cocaine certainly not a student in there in eighteen year old student so not so much you know she had a should might a tip that way she gone. The route of you know. Go go dancing in prostitution. But and i say this for a point because some people tried to paint a portrait of her that way but that was just never her lifestyle. I have it on a from friends of her. Pretty good authority. What her lifestyle was like his. They'd get together on a friday and saturday and drink some wine and smoke a joint and do tarot card readings and play board games and talk. You know talk for four hours as as good friends would would do Very caring You know always stood up for the little guy Didn't didn't have an attitude wasn't a snob But a beverage able in. Oh she dropped out of school. She you know she She dropped out of college and was out for about a year and a half and had a taste of like working. She was working in like a jar making factory right and then she was working. Yeah in a ski making factory in on the night shift you know. so yeah. Yeah when she was like seventeen eighteen so she had a taste of that and and then went to my mother and said you know i. I don't think i like this. Would you pay if i decided to go back to school. Of course my mom was ecstatic. Would i pay of course so that kind of set things up For the fall of nineteen seventy where you not paint a picture of who she was in seventy eight and she was a year older than any other student. She had a taste of freedom. Living on her own lived on her own apartment and she was in the four weeks leading up to her death. A dedicated student who's focusing on her work She wasn't at that point into party culture at all on campus So that is the truth of you. Know in terms of this setup who tries a was in where she what her trajectory was in the fall and nineteen seventy eight. When i was reading about her. Oddly just felt his connection with her. Because i always said that. I should have been born in that era and been a teenager and that era and just the concerts and like the things that she the music she liked and just everything i was like. Oh i relate to her so much like the little get togethers and little smoke in here and there and one and like edges related to hers so much and it just made me really sad because she was such a great person as far as you know what i've read in your book was amazing And that's true and you know we of think that the for those of us who like true crime or or unsolved mysteries and all that. That's something new. They were all her circle. Were all into seances. Seances were big. And as i say. Tarot readings and We g board on a friday night was a great feeling too much. But yeah you know listening to. I mean he imagined in in the in the late seventies when a band leichhardt came out that that had to incredibly strong women who were not going to accept things on on a on mail terms. This would have been inspirational. I mean now. We think of hartford the ballots and all that but when when something like crazy on you were or barracuda came out in that period it must have been just for again for every. I mean i loved her too because they rocked but for those two sisters in and theresa embrace that absolutely. Yeah i i love that about her. Because i just feel that so much and she just seemed like such a free spirit and you sell vice. She had that rebel on her and she was. She just feels like a free spirit to may. Do you think that's a good way to have her. I totally do. And we mustn't forget the fact that you know coming with the freedom was an independence. A'spirit were if she wanted to go somewhere she would she would go and that involved in that era me didn't have a car even have a car. So she hitchhiked. She wanted to go somewhere. She would hitchhike and and be very trusted. And i know other young women from years. That i've talked to just like i just wouldn't do that or my parents wouldn't let me in wouldn't matter how much by parents lectured trees on it. She was if she wanted to go somewhere. She was going to go somewhere and she had you know. I think the book mentions it a little bit. She had a quick wit and a smart mouth. You know there's a there's something about somebody pulling over the were When she was hitchhiking one time. And saying you know saying something like a haiti. Wanna to see my cock. Trista shouts back. No thanks have already seen one very very quickly and it is very funny. And it's that it's that kind of you know quick wit that makes you laugh but probably a smart mouth like that could get you into trouble tale. That is true but you know at the same town. I love that about her. Even though like you said it's dangerous but she was a strong strong young woman fearless absolutely. I mean she would give my parents so heart attack with tree come home and she said. Guess what i did today and you were. You're on the edge of your seat to hear what what what did you do. Did you go stockcar racing. Or what did you do this time as well i. I went skydiving in an era when we don't think much about stuff but it's a you did what you jump out of a plane. That's that's crazy you know or you know she would just and i think part of that that risk taking element yet didn't didn't play well into the narratives that that started to propagate someone's immagination when she disappeared and as the time went on you because she was so adventurous i mean i'll i'll i'll throw a bone to investigation. Say you could. You could visualize her doing some crazy things. You could say well she. She took off the united states because that sounds like her she just didn't she tell anyone maybe not make she didn't. Maybe she just said fuck you know. I don't know if i can say how you okay. Okay yeah fuck this. I'm out of here for now. You know so. It was not beyond to be fair. It was not beyond the realm of possibility. I mean what i know now. It seems farfetched. But i would say at the time. The you know the the one that did strike me as weird is is you know well. She got pregnant and she felt ashamed so she went to a convent in. Oh that's not reading theresa. correct at all. She would not feel ashamed if she got pregnant and join a convent. No no no you know a lot of a lot of call tes. In that era you know we were right at the time at the jonestown massacre and all of that so Jim jones and ghana so a lot in your mind. Did she join a cult. Did she go out to california and joined some crazy call. Usually when i read things it makes me mad when the police a they just probably ran away. But in this case with theresa says she was such a free spirit. It could have been possibility. Yeah yeah there's a term for that sort of like they just sort of go missing sort of sort of like an elephant going away to die this kind of mysterious. Whoa wait a minute. People don't just do that. Make me make any sense. So yeah yeah. So what made her want to go to another call. Say it was kind of sell. It wasn't was it really far away from where you guys lived. Yes so so. We lived in in on the island of montreal in the english part of montreal called the west island and this this college was About maybe one hundred miles away you know in the in the countryside. Kind of indie our semi-rural. Although there was a big city they're called sherbrooke. Sherbrooke at the time was about ninety thousand people not big by today's standards but but enough to have sherbrooke had enough to have its own police force in its own clubs and malls and stuff like this and i think she chose champlain. College For a number of reasons one was my brother was already there and and he was and he was making out all right so she probably thought well. That's that's okay. Maybe that'll work for me to the college that she dropped out of Venue was in montreal and and she probably just felt. I would guess. Too many distractions montreal. So she probably wanted to go somewhere and focus. That was just different away from you know. I talked to some of her montreal friends and they of said they were surprised at her choice in doing this and and some felt hurt by it. Because my understanding is there was a cutoff with theresa Were she. She just decided that she had had enough of that lifestyle. And she's gonna start fresh. And i do wanna go bad just a little bit because what really stood out to me was the calendar. Talk a little about that. yeah So there's this one of those old calendars was for grocery store called Loans loans was a we call them in quebec addict on their. You'd call it. A corner store was owned by. This guy named mr monsieur alone. We all know He act like a farm next door where we'd buy our pumpkins or in the in the fall from when he would also sell them this store. It's the kind of place where you know. My father on the way home from work would pick up A case of beer and whatever mom said was missing a loaf of bread you know some some trading cards for us and trace it would always you know. She didn't want she always wanted to. We had so if we were going to get baseball cards or hockey card. She was going to get baseball cards and hockey. Carnesi you know. Even if she had no interest in the sport it did not matter she was going to get the same thing So we we had this wall calendar with a picture of the loan farm on it and those tearaway kind months you tear away the month hairline with the month away the month And i was down. Two decades. After theresa died i. I was in my dad's basement at his work bench and i noticed that calendar that it was still there as well. That's funny that's from decades ago. He still has his calendar. And i went and i looked and he he had tear it off Ten ten months. He had tears off january through october. And it stopped in november and theresa disappeared november third nineteen seventy eight and. That was the month that my father had decided to to. He just stopped tight. Time stopped there and the calendar remained. You know above his workbench life to the point. They moved out of that house. The downsized i took it with me and it is. It's now in my kitchen new. She pretty much wrote everything. She was gonna do the day or her plans she will. That's another calendar. Actually yes the father calendar and then there's her calendar that's that's right. I also found amongst her stuff recently. A calendar from nineteen seventy seven which was hers was obviously it was a A christmas gift from my mom when she's around sixteen seventeen and it. It's a little immature for her age. Right it's kind of marrying ingle brady in yes. It was the kind of thing that a mother who still wants their daughter to stay. Young has an but Theresa probably saw and said oh great you know. Why can't it be a led zeppelin calendar. So you know but but she probably said we'll this will do And so She marked it up a lot And so documents the year before her die she died very very well. I mean all the concerts are on their from like sort of like pink. Floyd tickets go on sale. Pink floyd tonight emerson lake and palmer tickets go on sale and and and the one that kind of shocked me like the last concert. That's on there so yes you know. A lot of early. Classic rock a lot of progressive rock. The last one is iggy pop tickets. Which really i was like. Oh oh that's interesting. I didn't know you know i didn't know that. And also you know her work shifts are on there like five hours and then the wage and then one hundred and forty dollars this day or was less than that sixty bucks forty bucks. You know this this kind of thing so it was this really interesting document. That was only discovered This year really. That was like yeah so you know. You never know what you're gonna find. And i'm a big believer in source documents you know particularly with what is as you said is still a you know in terms of A justice unsolved murder. People will talk to me all the time but the memory right after forty two years very suspicious when somebody comes to me and says i just got to tell you this story about my sister and i'm like whether you know it or not. It's probably been edited in your mind refined so to find something that is original as always is always treasure. Yeah well i guess what did you and your family thing. When you first heard that she went missing and kind of leading up to finding her and so what. What were your initial reactions when when you heard that. So she went missing. As i say november third nineteen seventy eight and was missing for five and a half months before. And i'll just. I'll just jump to the conclusion zeh when her body was discovered On good friday april thirteenth nineteen seventy nine about a kilometer away from the college residents. Were she was living. So that's kind of the setup so in terms of what we thought. Ponder that over the years and i think it's really to narratives. There's there's what i thought. And i can't tell you what i thought a lot of my my original memories from that time are i either blocked by trauma Or or potentially nonexistent. Because i was thirteen or fourteen so i was not in the room for decisions if anything what was going on I was being dragged around by my parents. You know from police station to school. Admin building and or left behind in a motel room in front of a television or left out in the hall so i was excluded from what was going on the Dining robert reid found her A trapper from the area must a muskrat trapper who Was just you know after the spring thaw you know when the snow melts. You can start hunting for critters. And which is what he was doing and Ju- just doing something pretty mundane typical setting these little busca traps rat traps along the bank. Banks of this sort of Eights were to cornfields kind of drain. So it's ditch with water in it and You know the discovery of the bodies is is much like any discovery of anybody in any piece of true crime you've ever read and in fact we open the book. Wish she were here with that as a way of kind of playing up kind of some of the some of the the I don't know the narrative aspects of true crime sore sue. It's very much a conscious setup you know he even says the the well-worn thought it was a mannequin. When i first saw the body and then realized it was which we we hear a lot and we. We didn't. yeah. I put that in there as a cliche. Put that in there. Because that's exactly what robert. Reid told me when i met him. You know thirty years later. The of the road where she was found in he walked me through what happened. I can't imagine what he felt coming upon that. And did he immediately call the cops or you know what was his initial. Yep roberts thing was you know roberts first of all he's he's you know he's. He's kind of a rural guy as you would imagine. A trapper probably had a couple of odd jobs. Going around and pick up a real kind of salt of the earth. Guy i don't think he spoke french. Who's fluid who's pretty much english from that area His of course his reaction was to immediately fall the police and they were there within hours. But but you know in the book goes into this a little bit. Sort of the the the The the effects of trauma on a community with this kind of thing that you sometimes think it's just you you're in your your bubble of me and my family who are affected by this. I think robert was so traumatized by this by by the fact that even discovering the body placed suspicion on him for years he had to wipe off. You know feelings of guilt or feelings of suspicion to the to the point one one time. I mean i've talked to robert many times over the years for various reasons because again he's you know he's like a prime witness and one time he phoned me up ten years ago just ended a rage because someone had provoked him in the area with questions so he he took it out on me and he said how many times do i have to tell you. I had nothing to do with your your sister's murder. And he was almost on the verge of tears in and i talk him down and say in a robert i know i don't i don't i don't know who has stirred this up in you or why it has happened but i don't feel that way i don't feel you're responsible but nevertheless there's a part of him that did feel responsible i can. I can imagine that wins. It has the police interrogate him. I mean i'm sure if anybody comes upon body they probably are questioned. Yeah yeah. I think i think the logic of that is okay. Is this guy who cannot live any longer with the fact that no one has found his body yet. So i'm just gonna find it for them. I i understand that. I would understand that but in this case you know i it just it. It wasn't true. I mean it goes along with some of the lower that a couple of other victims for the area were also discovered on on friday the thirteenth. And i've had many people kind of go. It's the friday the thirteenth killer. And it's like well if you really walk through that it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. They're different people who found the bodies. They didn't know they were gonna find it on friday the thirteenth. So i don't know. I'm not quite following you here. Oh my gosh. So a hate to ask this question going. When when they when he found her white emotions and everything was going through you and your family. How did y'all deal with that. A i mean it was horrible. I mean that. I do remember that was a that was a black black day They say so. It was easter friday. And we were if you know. Canada and and the is sort of the separation of geography played into this. We were people who grew up in quebec. But we just happened to at the time right around the time. That theresa decided to go back to school move to eastern canada near main so we would only recently been living there so we were already removed from the scene of the crime right and so very vulnerable in that position. I i would imagine. My parents were at the time when she was found because it was easter. We were back in ontario near toronto. Because that's where my parents were born so we were celebrating easter in southern ontario with relatives. When when my father got the call that a body had been found in. They thought that it was it was theresa and he. You know everything that happened after. That was was really really just awful and we were quickly. The body was quickly taken to the morgue in in montreal because at that time within a certain vicinity all all bodies are suspected. You know i would say my malfeasance not necessarily murder were processed in montreal at the main police headquarters. So we we were then. We were back in montreal. The we were not living in montreal and I mean i'll just tell the story because I remember it to this day is that we had to go to them the more which was on a floor with And they say you remember caller. And i remember that hospital green of that and this corridor that my father walked down to identify the body. And because theresa had been in water for five and a half months you can imagine the stated by the body so he walked back. And i say this from absolutely that the man that what down that quarter was not the man who who came out and he came out and he said to my mother he he couldn't identifier. He said teresa had a scar above her eyebrow right and and he would remember that because my dad accidentally hit her with a shovel when she was young he was digging something and she came to close behind him and he hit her so he remembered that scar. That was the only identifying thing in fact he couldn't identify she had to be identified by dental records because he key couldn't physically. Id the body How and and we were all there. My brother was there. I was there my mother my father And and it was going for a meal afterwards at a restaurant where when we were five we had all gone to and enjoyed. And and so you you have your parents trying to at least you know initiate some kind of bomb but the magic. Isn't there anymore. Nobody wants to be at that restaurant anymore. Nobody wants to be in quebec anymore. it was just. It was a horrible horrible weekend. I can't. I can't imagine. And i'm just so sorry you know as it's hard to even listen to 'em picture it as you're talking about it just like when i was listening to the book. It was so vivid. That allergist i felt like i was walking through it with you and so how Did the investigation go at first. The first investigation. Yeah horrible. you know. i'll try to your is mostly americans you know my podcast is above the nuances of quebec. But i'll i'll stay away from that and try to paint a picture of you head competing police agencies because of the territory you know. She lived in one area but she was found in another area. So you had kind of the equivalent of that go on between a local Sheriff and and say you know a state agency or something like that. You had something very akin to that. Where where the substate to quebec who in this case would would be playing the role of the state agency Thought they were bunch of knowles and and and where the the local officials who were way out of their head because you had no body. You didn't have the state or provincial agents. See with all of the resources. The expertise initially stepping in. See this local guy with you. Know small town guy. He had only ever worked. He had never worked a missing persons case. Let alone murder. You know you dealt with property theft and things like this. You know manning a i think a seven or nine men force in the town were theresa that the school was who is in an and i've written about this lately Who is in way over his head but his initial instincts were right. Were rights with within three weeks. He had managed to put together that this may have been connected to a murder. The hop happened less than two months early earlier of a woman named louise camera. Who was very who is most definitely murdered. An intrigues his case. It was you never going to have evidential reproof of murder. Because of the condition of the body was the circumstance that only an idiot would not see that it was murder and and to describe it for your listeners. When a young woman is found you know exposed outdoors In her underwear and her bra and panties and her clothes or not nearby but her torn scarf is in a cornfield adjacent to the body of water. Oh and by the way. Her clothing is never found but her wallet is found ten miles away. Thrown to the side of the road circumstantially. This leads you to to To a sexual murder if you have But that's but that's not. What sort of the local authorities concluded particularly the state agency with the state agency got from. That was because she had a a history of recreational drug route use then it must have been drug induced and the the the mental gymnastics. They made in order to get her to that place. Were absurd sort of like well. She walked there were the clothes while she walked in her underwear. She walked from her residence of two hundred students in her underwear. Okay so it didn't happen that way. She died in a room and students panicked and they took her there. Wouldn't it be easier if she died in a room just to close the door. Why why would you you know. So there are all these absurd notions. She freaked out on on. Lsd and would and you can't overdose on less steep but lsu was the main theory and jumped off this little bridge into the water and her underwear and all of this this nonsense. Really and the kicker i will say is because it's important okay. What did the toxicological report show know. That they were able to analyze. No drugs no drugs. So where does that leave you. Well it leaves you back with a small town sheriff. Who right out of the gate goes. I think this might be murder in. It's connected to another murder now. This gets reported in a french tabloid which my dad never would have read. I didn't see that article until a couple of years ago but it nails it it. It confirms all the work. I had done for twenty years. I was like a ha. Somebody gets it. Why did you not. But he would have been his name. Is leo haenel. He would have been muzzled. He would have second guessed his instincts. He would have said while the bigger boys here know what's right and and the thing that killed that theory gaining momentum is Two weeks after that article was published. Another article appeared in another bigger tabloid. Whose headline was theresa lore a drug story now. Yeah and and this paper had never published anything leading up to theresa's you know there had been no series of articles like they. I say missing girl and then a drugstore and then later they say what's happened. It's the only time this paper in the five and a half months ever published this article reseller or a drug story. And the photo with theresa was they. Could've they chose the absolute worst photo Imagine if teresa so what she looked like a crazed druggy and all of this and and the effect of that article what what would be well. It killed the investigation if you a member of the public and you read something like that you know. Initially you might think. Where's the missing girl. Where's what's going on and then when you read an article like that you're going to go as the public. How it's a family affair. Lets you know it's you know. I think i saw someone who looked like her who looked like she was in trouble. But if it's but if she took drugs overdose while i guess i didn't. I didn't see what i thought i saw. And my my theory about that is i think that article was planted By by the surf daddy quebec. You know they were the only ones with a headquarters in montreal where the papers You know what was published in leo. Hermel wasn't there I i'm getting a little off track but it's fresh in my mind because something that have recently written about but you know all of that is back to your initial question. I mean whole thing was a cluster. Fuck in a in a covering your ass thing. People were only people are only all too happy to say was a drug story a blame the victim by all means by all means you know in the school where she was at. You know they were facing as you would imagine. Student goes missing and and people are saying. She's in the united states. She's anywhere but we're we. Are she shows up. You know kilometer a mile from their residence this spells exposure. You know. it's it's a wonder. My parents never sued the school. I mean that's a whole other story but you can imagine how that thread played out. If there's a custodial responsibility and someone goes missing and the school who refused to search their grounds for her who refused to lift a finger and in the matter so my parents i can tell you. They thought they had gone down. You know. who's through the looking glass for them. I thought they were losing their minds because things that they had come to trust that you know the police always get their man you know. Public institution is is going to be there for. You just simply did not pan up whether ever any leagues in the other girls murder as as well as your sisters were there ever any leads and either one. Yeah so what developed. There was a well known fact. I don't think i just rediscovered it. I i don't want paint. A picture is some kind of great investigator who discovered this. I rediscovered the fact that there were three unsolved murders in a seventeen month period One theres's lewis camera who we mentioned. Who was who was found. Raped and strangled. Theresa was most likely strangled. And we know this because Despite the condition of the body there was an initial coroner's report that they do at the scene of the crime the autopsy but the the initial findings and the documents is right in there and french marks strangulation on the neck. Now this got buried is never shown to my family is did you in the survey continued to insist. drug overdose. Yeah there if you wonder why. I think they planted the article. This confused contributes it right so this was never and then the third victim was a young like ten or twelve year. Old girl men on do bay who disappeared walking home with her sister one night and whose body was found a i think six months later face down in a stream again. All of them outdoors Louise's fully nude a glove on her hand Manel completely clothed except one glove missing In the police just had a lack of imagination with these things. I mean he with theresa was like but the underwear was wasn't taken off their for she wasn. You're shaking your head and you should be many other central ways. Komo on it comes back to you. Know why have there been women investigators because his men relax profoundly lack on imagination above the the many ways that women can be sexually assaulted and then that same with menem. It was like well. She was fully clothed and she was a girl. Somebody wouldn't do that to a girl. You're not suggesting i'm not kidding. I mean i'm not kidding. So with manila the they they they believed she was a hit and run the the the conventional wisdom that the narrative that that area communities to this day wants to believe is that manal was a tragic hit and run despite the fact that initially the coroner said i think this is a sexual assault that document gut buried. Why do you think phase bearing that and why do you think that they wouldn't just you know. Come out and say when thing this harder or this is a murder of these three girls. Why do you. Why do you would do that. just to protect themselves and not make themselves look you. It's a complicated answer and it would take a lot of time in the book goes into it but but i think i think we can start with by saying in order to avoid a scandal in the community who you know the last thing. The last thing a community wants or police force in a community is year. Ev- everyone who listens to this knows is to admit they had a problem with a serial killer and didn't catch it so that's the first thing i would say you know when when when treasa was found and you knew that there were these two other victims. You're not gonna go that way because what you're saying is i. We could init- this in the bud with louis camera but we did so. I would think i would say the simplest is is. Is that start with that. And then the book goes into more detail. I do suggest that everybody gets sherbrooke. It just the vividness of it and the way the story is told you and patricia did an amazing job on that and now in two thousand and two is when you and patricia would kind of linked back a been and linked together yes we investigated or it got reinvestigated in two thousand and two years so what happened in two thousand into was You know at that. Time as i said I up into that time. I believed what my what i was being told by. My elders. That she had died she she might have committed suicide she might have had a drug overdose tree. Six suffered from allergies. May be allergic. You know all of this and we'll never know you know. We'll we'll never know so. I bought into that story And then you know come adulthood You begin to quit his well. That's what i've been told so. That's when i began to you know father kept very good notes. Really great you know. He kept everything so it was around that time that i said you hired a private investigator. Yes yes can. I see his file. Sure and then it turns out. The price of private investigator was still alive. So phony bob. Bulaq and his. You still have a file. He said it's on my desk. I never forget this case. Can i have it sure. I had no use for it so getting coroner's documents and but the greatest was my dad's notes because he's not documented. You know for that year from her disappearance to you know. I think the following fall. It's almost an entire year. Everything every phone conversation. Every every absurdity that that he was experiencing and the more. I began to read it and because patricia who patricia pearson who i had gone to Like high school with Had an you know a. We're in the arts together in high school. But i was more performing arts. She was more creative writing but she become a writer And and a criminal writer that she doesn't like to talk about this because it she finds it disturbing but she for the globe and mail and toronto she covered the karla homolka and bernardo trial. And i don't know anybody who covered that wants to talk about it they just will not but very seasoned me. I mean and So i mean long story short. We met up in in sherbrooke and went to the scene of where we're her body was found. You know within second. I think we both. I was the first time i've been there too. And the light bulb went off with both of us. We were like well this. This is none of these things this is this is sexual murder mr. That's what this is and from that. She wrote a series of articles. She was then not with the globe and mail should now with the national post at that time. And she wrote three articles called who killed teresa that basically said You know what the family was was was a sham and that this is the the area had a problem with serial killer and god knows where he is now and this only documents three murders and god knows who else you know was murdered and and he got away with it and oh and by the way we have the opinion of criminologists. Who back this up and principally kim rossmo who's geographic profiler. Kim had covered the robert pickton case in in the vancouver south east downtown eastside murderer prostitutes and told that community long before they would admit they had a serial killer that they had a serial killer on their hands based on geographic evidence. They denied it and they said it. The it's division amy. The rcmp denied it for years. Until i mean any anybody who you know if you look at the picton murders in the rear view mirror and in pickton's pig farm and all that you just go you just go. How how could this. How could anybody of not seeing this. But he faced such obstacles. I mean i don't know that. He got fired from the vancouver force but he was not. He was not seen as hero. He was not seen as some kind of hero for even bringing up with evidence. The prospect of a serial killer again because because what it really points the finger to is is the tremendous failure of a police agency so all of these years later. How are you and your family doing and you know. How are y'all. Because i know a on the third just past it you know. How are we all dealing with it. Well i i mean i would say well I think i think it was met with a little Uneasiness that i was writing a book. And you know. I frankly and i got a lot of on not this again you know. When is this going to end in. In and i think that's fair and You know for the most part for the three years that we were working on it. And and needing to reinvestigate the reinvestigate the reinvestigation which was not a pleasure. I i left my family alone. You know i particularly my mother and father. And and i don't want that to sound like in any way that that they were generous with their time at a time with telling me their experience because they were but i had written it all down. I didn't need to interview them again. There was no there was no need for that. And you know for you know so. I don't talk about that aspect about it with my parents anymore. One when i phoned them on a weekend or something like that. It is like any other family really. I mean i think there's always a heavy heart in any conversation we have but when we talk a talk to my mom about season four the crown is coming up and you know and i talked to my dad about you know you know. Covert is really been painful for anyone. Who's a sports fan and this kind of thing and so we we talk about those those things and the and my brothers. Well i stake. He and my brother also has been very generous with his time. And telling me things. My is much better memory than i do. My brother meme remembers everything. Closer to her age unsure. He there you go. I mean to the point where you know. It's awful. But i i mean myself. As a good investigator would would would walk down any path. So i've entertained the drug theory in it just doesn't add up. Have i suspected my brother will. You have walked down that road but it just doesn't add up. There's no evidence of it right and that's a horrible thing because people come to me often. You know that other brother. he's really quiet. I would take a look at him. And i'm like you know what just enough enough and all of that is is to say to you that the forty two years later you mentioned the anniversary date so the book came out and i was going to ask my father or mother to read it i. I don't need that validation. They don't need to Particularly my father. Who was you know if you if you were to look at it from his perspective. He's the guy you gotta gasoline. He's the guy who believed everything he's and i don't wanna put him through that the some kind of trial of i'm mr smarty pants who figured it out. Why didn't you And there's no point to. I don't need i don't need him to accept it. He loved it. He loved it so You know there was. I didn't talk about the bulk or played or sort of say. Hey look at me. i'm. I'm on this show or that. None none they don't need to. They don't need that. They don't need that so we and but i did. You know people are going to read it and my brother edit and in fact every one of his family read it is kids is his wife. Bless their hearts bought copies and and and loved it And i've heard from a lot of relatives who read it and said what. I never figured out Usually the first reaction is i. I'm so sorry. Their second reaction. Is you know it answers. Everything i wanted to ask but i just felt too awful to ask the questions and because we didn't know anything it does feel really bad every time that i talked to someone. There's questions that. I hate to ask for his. I don't want to make anybody sad or more you know or sadder then it than we already are about a you know and it's hard to ask certain questions that i don't wanna put somebody through that all virgin. It's hard to answer. Certain questions. I would i. Would i would say that. I have purposely formed a very thick skin over the years. And i'm guarded and you know there's some things i won't discuss But you can ask me anything. If i won't make you feel awkward. If if you go to a territory that that i feel weird about i'll just say wad rather not answer that there's no point in me embarrassing someone else or because it is it would be. I'm not an expert at this. I often interview he victims on my podcast and doesn't doesn't make me any more skilled at it. Feel the same thing it's like. I don't want to bring this up or you know as you say. And are really sug at interviews at lying people to their stories and get their stories heard. Because i always feel like I stuck it is i. Don't wanna ask the wrong things. I don't wanna mess up. And so i just like for any of you just to tell your stories and have these stories heard people that may have never heard it before page. I don't think you suck at all. i think. actually. I think you're selling yourself a little short and you do very very well And i'll try not to be a motormouth here. You're kind so. I know the case is closed. But do you ever think there might be justice for her in any way. Well you know the the party. Line that the police will tell you is. The case is not closed. It's always open because they're unsolved case can never be closed. But i come back always with well but if you're not actively pursuing it then in effect the cases closed can we stop playing these word games. You know so yes. You're you're right. I i would say that in terms of the police procedural. They're not doing anything there at all. In fact to be really really cynical about it. I think they used a lot of my work as justification to form a cold-case bureau which they did and i patted myself on the back and then it was not till years later. I can't realize how the game is played and it was like well. Congratulations they got five new. Leo's right and and there's no. There's there's no way to confirm that. They're working on a call case or not in fact now that numbers thirty and for quebec thirty Cold case in quotation mark investigators. But i know. I know sure as shit Whatever the problem. The week or the month is i'm sure those cold-case people right now are part of the cova cat task force and prior to that they were proudly part of the gang task force And congratulations. I just got them more more police officers. So that's a really cynical way of looking at it. There's no way of confirming what's in that black box of law enforcement but But in terms of your your second part of that justice As you know from the book. I believe i know who did this It was an offender named Look gregoire who grew up. In the sherbrooke area who had a history of crime and particularly sexual assaults in the area and then went on to murder A young woman in calgary in nineteen ninety three and was put away. He got the mandatory life sentence. Which in canada's twenty-five years luke did And died in in in prison in two thousand fifteen so as far as i'm concerned. Think the the most likely guide who have done. It has passed away so there will be no in terms of process in terms of illegal process. There will be no justice because they bring you closure if if he is the one that did it. Does that bring you some kind of closure at least a little it does I know a lot of people for a lot of families and it's fine. Is that without a legal process. Without that. then element of justice. It cannot close. And and i respect that but i don't feel that way. It's forty two years Family my own. That i i enjoy very very much and it would be. It would be really a real tragedy and treat. It would kick my ass a laughing because you know that. That's her she is she. She would kick my ass. If if i lived in died on the cross Would right yeah definitely and she actually inspired you to storage your podcast from from not mistaken. She's she's the one that inspired you to start doing the wonderful work that you're doing. Yeah i mean it's called. Who killed teresa that is not the most original title but You know that's that's what the original articles in the national post were called. So i just thought well that's good enough and people know what i'm about so I stuck with that and and you know kind of made it I thought well if you can if you can shed light. On other cases that are similar that are not not the cases that get all the attention the the cases that that need some light. Because they're they're just lost in the noise of you know the delphi murders or the the in no. Don't get me i'm not. I'm not dumping on on cases. But i'm just saying some somethings get some that. Get glenn close spotlight. Golden state killer. Yeah yeah and and and so I try to pick. What are what are forgotten cases. And that i know there's a calculus there that goes into it that I try not to investigate a case that is closed. Why bring it up again. You're right and in in less in less. I'm really trying to make point and and usually if i m doing that it's to make a point police failure and i'm not and i'm not anti police right yet. Yeah and that is the theme. I mean it would be hard for me not to to hammer that point. Because that is the the overriding theme in my sister's case. So it's something that resonates in something that i'm attuned to but i do not think that every alarm horsemen agency is a pack in nincompoops idea. I wanna make that really really clear I have tremendous respect for law enforcement. In my job i work alongside what law enforcement. I totally agree with that. Totally agree with that but sometimes they get it wrong. They don't they miss things. They don't investigate properly. There's just so many things that you read and so many cases that have just gone wrong. Yeah yeah no. Absolutely so so. If i can find a case that know can can. I feel there's several then he you know the the gold standard that everybody wants to solve a case. I mean we all do. I mean i do. And i've there's been several where i felt. I've come close. There's a tremendous frustration. There's a problem in in in quebec in particular where a a lot of the physical evidence is all been tossed so it cannot be proved. You know which is frustrating. It seems to be a systemic failure in quebec. It's unlike anything that i. I've observed in the united states where you know the gold standard. Is you if you asked if you asked a homicide investigator you know. How long do you hold onto cold-case evidence. He would look at you like you're he's like forever. The answers forever. The that is the only acceptable answers forever. Well what when you run out of storage you get more storage now. That doesn't mean he stuff gets misplaced. Her tossed her but it seems In in quebec to be ah concentrated. mindful effort to cover tracks. I'll just say learn to me. That is so it's frustrating and sad makes you angry though i mean it was all tossed in. I mean you think of it. If if traces evidence had been kept there could have been the ability to prove through. Dna that gregoire murdered theresa and there is not that possibility Naido know that. Well i do know that menotti base the majority of it was tossed. I don't have positive. Confirm confirmation lewis camera. But i suspect it. I mean yeah come on. So does your family think that the god that You suspect did it do they. Do they agree with you or did they have come out there. Doubts about it. Will you take my brother for instance who is very analytical guy and and if anyone was going to pick apart what i put together who is going to be him and And it through the writing that there's there's there's times where i'd explain things to him and he was like i don't follow you. I'm not getting this. But i was trying to think through ideas and things like that when he finally read the book when he finally read it and he was like i get it i get it. I think you're right. I mean you know the other criminologist we worked with from simon fraser university Who is the expert. I can't say his name. Sorry he is the expert in sexual murder in in in canada. If not in north america if not the the sexual merv he is the guy who interviewed a majority of sexual murderers did one on ones with them In the prison system so he knows all the offenders and his language and end he. He interviewed gregoire. Gregoire was part of his research and His expression was statistically it's improbable that luke war did not commit these murders was and that's the best Confirmation that that. I've heard it doesn't mean that i'm right. It does leave statistically leaves a a room for error. But i you know am i a hundred percent. Sure i've never one hundred percent. Sure anything a murray kirk Anymore are you kidding with what i've been through on this odyssey. I'm never one hundred percent. Sure anything but i'm as close as i'm gonna get in to anyone who goes you got it wrong. I when i say okay. Show me show me. Walk me through what i got wrong and any better theory and all listen. I will be open leaving just the other day somebody said to me somebody said you know. I got a theory and i've heard a lot a lot of another one and she said she said here here. It is There was a guy on campus at the time who was flamboyantly gay And he wrote in the papers in one thousand nine hundred. Eighty was like an editor for one of the campus papers and he and he. He came out and was very critical about how he was being persecuted in he was gay bashed. And i'm using the terms from the era. Such right stay with me here And supposing theresa was a friend of his and and got caught up in that and somehow bent. somebody's nose outta shape. Because she sympathized with him and and they killed her and they dumped her. And i my reaction was that that's fantastic. I've never heard that before. There is no evidence of that. There's no evidence number one that she knew the guy I know where the guy lived. Didn't live in the dorm where she lives. He lived in town so she was only there. Six or seven weeks so not hold on a long time to form some kind of meaningful bond with him. Yes treaty was very accepting of people. But but i don't know there's no evidence that she was an early pioneer for lgbtq rights. You know. I don't know one way or another whether that's true so it it is. That is the most speculative answered. I mean you as well say something like well she was walking across the street in moose hitter and somebody felt bad and they took the body dumped her in a way. That's that's possible to ya. Concrete and don't see any moose fibers. I don't you know so. So i am absolutely somebody comes to me at. Some point is like a have. You got it wrong. I'll listen. I absolutely listen. But there's too much and you know because you. There's too much that builds up to make the case for gregoire to ignore feel. I feel sir to Before we go. Do you want to tell everybody what your book is called an where to find it. I would love to do that. yeah sure. So so the podcast is who killed theresa and the easiest way to find. It is just on the website which is theresa lord. Dot com t. h. e. r. e. s. a. l. l. o. r. e. dot com so i- rights. And i also podcast and you can find the stuff there and the book is called a wish you were here. And it's published by penguin random house and it came out in september right now it was it was because of covid. There was soft release just in in canada. Although if you're wiley. I m hearing people finding where there's a will there's a way right so people are finding away to buy it like on amazon canada and get it a shift. You can always do that so right now. In candidates at moss. Well i the thing that i'm ecstatic about. Is you can buy it at shoppers drug mart. Which is the equivalent of like cvs or something like that. That's where i want it. I don't want it in some snooty bookstore. I i want to count. Yes. it's in. It's in shoppers. Shoppers drug mart and and but know the big online platforms are amazon. Chapters borders income quebec archambault and ronald Blair and and were. We got our fingers crossed for a spring release in the united states in the uk. Good yeah so we'll see. I thank you so much for just coming on and talking about theresa at things. She was such a cool person. Just cole is a cool girl. You know page I i thank you so much for the opportunity in you nailed. She was super cool. You know she was my big sister. And i am so by her. I mean obviously by by so many things. I have the same level of acceptance but healthy skepticism and things and the same love of music and to music is a big part of the podcast and all of that stems from an influence in a love for her. Some thank you for giving me the opportunity toy story. Well i'm just. I'm honored that you would come on my podcast in and sit and talk with me about her and i'm so sorry that this happened is such a wonderful person happens to unfortunately far too many wonderful people as you know and and your own podcast in your own work year at dynamo man. I don't know where you get the energy unbelievable you are everywhere and thanks thanks alleged. Thanks for meeting the charge and and you know sticking up for people who who do this passionate about this. Because i know you are and i am sometimes critical of true crime I walk a fine line of being. You know of that world but also of the different world but i am always appreciative and respectful for anybody. Who wants to get in front of them of a mike and brave. These waters answers so much john. It's rather than a pleasure. Have a great day you too.

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"Saw bones is a show about medical history and nothing. The hosts say should be taken as medical advice or opinion. It's fun can't you just have fun for an hour and not try to diagnose your mystery boil. We think you've earned it. Just sit back. Relax and enjoy a moment of distraction from that weird growth your worth. It is about the books in your in your safe zone. South hello everybody. In wellness saw bones of misguided medicine. I'm your co host just macaroni and i'm sydney macaroni. And i'm so excited and nervous and a little bit excited at essex guided and scared. Isn't it nice to know a lot and the little bit. Not that's right. I did the research for this week. Saw bones to give sydney into the woods into the woods. Sorry answer it wasn't very good rendition. No i'm with you now just took me a minute to follow where you were. Sydney was real busy saving the world this week and she said jay man in my hour of need. Can you please come through for me and helped me to an end. Research upset police begging. I'm on my hands in these beg and just was like but i don't know anything about medicine. There's only one thing that i love more than anything else more than you. My wife dissenter. I didn't say that. And that's brands bolshoi. Do i love brands and love love. Interacting with him on social media a- love the different products. And everything. And i thought they have arby's themed swim trunks for sale. Now if you like those. Who are you telling the audience. Oh how do you know that. 'cause you own them okay. All right i was me because you see me. The arby's trunks and i can't imagine easily wiped away by time. I only know about the trunk because you own them. I thought that i would tell everyone. And you would then like jump in and be like. I already have a pair. And they're the media. I don't know who their real meeting no. I wanted to celebrate brands. We're always talking about medicine and achievements and illness and in my head. I'm like hansel right. So i wanted to do. It was originally going to be an episode where i celebrated a bunch of different brands. Because we watch this show called Build america and it's just amazing like super gravitas mixed with like and this is how he made lay's potato chips you'll never believe the story behind campbell's soup everybody's they'd always vacillates between a very frustrated young business person who's trying to make it and then the same business person celebrating by drinking a glass of whisky in their office and then being frustrated again an celebrating with more whiskey. There's reenactment like there's reenactments so like as time passes and they get wealthier and wealthier more accessible. They don't ever change offices they just like shoud get a big fake moustache. I'm an older man now. And i'm still making gammel soup out of this office in this suit with this same same outfit. Glass of whiskey. They that's always a big feature. I never get to drink whiskey in my office. Well that hasn't been to do with your my line of work shirt. I was going to do an all was like a complete retrospective on brands. And then the first brand that i thought of i just kept finding more stuff. That was like. That's pretty interesting. I do not have this is not going to be like a typical solvents where we're going to like an arc as much like a historical arch-. We'll be vaguely chronological. Okay fair. but we're But it's gonna be more of a survey just a an exploration yes sydney. Today we're going to be talking about the. Oh okay i know vic's yeah you you'd think you you just think novak's the vix product i'm most familiar with vapor rub. Okay good because when i was little and i would have a cold. My mom would put vicks vapor rub on a handkerchief like a cloth handkerchief and have me like hold it and breathe it in like a Like an old time kidnapper with chlorof- on there right simply put it over. My face just handed to me and i would like to allow on the couch with my box. Chicken noodle soup and my archie comics and my the store we're going to be talking about vicks vapor up a lot. The story of vicks starts with Lunceford richardson he was born in eighteen. Fifty four on a farm In in north carolina he went to college called davidson college and graduated with with honors He he married mary. Lynn smith they had kids h smith richardson and a second son. Loans for richardson lenny. Junior the just a regular life so far regular life also had three daughters llorente Mary in an janet l. According to now. Do i have to memorize all these names. You've given me a lot of children clay. I know we're getting his like. I'm only going to remiss not you have to remember. This is not a tortured character. I don't even know that his life is particularly that interesting but he is at the heart. Vicks okay so we're gonna talk about loans for richardson. So he's working in greensboro. He's working on different like home remedies. And what have you And one of the products that he comes up with is well vapor. Rub the not called that. At this time. He says a lot of different things And he looking for an umbrella to put it under right and he stumbles upon vicks so his last name. Richardson would not fit well. On the label of the products. Right but vicks would. Vix is the last name of his brother-in-law who their family physician according to some accounts helped some startup money but also like was naming it. Maybe just like if you know about vix this physician this is the remedies. There's also also very popular product exceeds at the time. And he was sort of building on that idea of a mainly like his name when villain label and i think it kind of continued to get to him that it wasn't you know under his name but vicks was short is punchy and pretty soon there were twenty one different vicks family remedies as they were called so he comes up with There's there's two different versions of the vapor rub story okay. There's the wounded the company tells you and then there's another one Here's with the vicks website. We'll tell you about the creation of able rub. The vic says the product was created by lunceford. Richardson out of love and concern for his six sun. Young smith richardson had a severe case of crew. Which is what's in los alamos. Croup croup is a viral illness. That kids get caused by virus. That's a para influenza next to next to jason different virus viral illness. It's usually self limited but sometimes you need to medications or some respiratory support to get through. Kids don't get it today so this is So they say that that had crew and Lunceford richardson combined unique. Ingredients into a salve that when he did by the body would release soothing vapors and then it says on the website. The boy soon recovered. You're probably was recovered anyway. Boy now there is a different version of this from mcgill university. Refresh named joe schwarz. Who claims that the product can be traced to jews. Been gay a french pharmacist. Who created ben gay exactly but his last name b. e. n. g. u. e. If you're wondering why it's called begay because his last name was jill's been gag name regretted it. Is that how you spell being gay though the product right in hyphen g a y. They wonder mega like uber. Phonetic for the dumdum america. Because i think the i think the average american speaking english would be e. n. g. u. e. Say benue so wrong. This is a menthol based product and unlike vapor rub but it was sold as a treatment for arthritis and gout and neural neuralgia neuralgia neuralgia. Like nerve pain okay Algebra it hurts according to joe schwarz Accounting of this Lunceford saul heard from he. Sold been gay is pharmacy and he heard from his customers that it cleared their sinuses. Which is not as intended purpose but because of the menthol at he heard from him like oh this work to clear my sinuses. He basically like a version of being gay. But using that as like the The idea behind it and you know who maybe it was a little column little columbine. Obviously the fixed website doesn't mention ben gay as like the the spiritual inspiration for this product. But right that is that is when accounting but they would never. You would never do that though with a lot of these products. Because they're being sold not on the strength of their Like the quality of the product necessarily as much as the recognition and connotation. So you wouldn't want to build on another competitor. He called his product vicks croup and pneumonia salve but you know today obviously as as vapor mainly marketed towards creepy babies It had menthol which was a and kind of new drug that was coming in japan and it was incorporated into a bomb with some other ingredients like camphor and things like that chair and Since it was only it was popular in part because it was used akhtar externally So it was Stomach upset wasn't creating problems for people so they that those apparently one of the the selling points of it is that it wasn't bothering your tummy. These other treatments with. Yeah well that makes a lot of sense if you consider that the remedies so to speak of the day as we talked about on the show the way you would believe that they did anything is by making sure they did something and so a lot of them. Would you know make you feel really sick or if you diarrhea or whatever and then you like. It's working so in eighteen ninety eight. He sold the drugstore and he started a wholesale drug company at which eventually part To found vicks family remedies company. He he wanted to just focus on that initially they struggled to sell outside the greensboro area Eventually the business changed hands to lunceford son who decided to just concentrate on vicks croup and pneumonia south But he renamed the son who Theoretically the product was initially metaphor. Renamed it to vapor. Rub it and focus on that. That's what he decided to focus the business on. How did he like when. I think of like vape. Vaporizer vapor vapor the vapors that the rub creates got vapor. Got rub. It's okay So that when the name was his idea he came up with the The the product was still sort of struggling to get like the sort of like major success story that he wanted it to be until in one year it sales more than tripled to two point nine million dollars in sales. Can you guess what year that was. What what year are we in. If i told you a year we now. I mean what time period are we in. I mean like when did he first one was this he took over. This would have been like. He took the last year. Touching was nineteen o five. He took over ninety. Five are sorry shortly after that nineteen eighteen nineteen nineteen exactly during the The the influenza pandemic exactly it was a huge boon to that product and it is really what set on fire. it was ubiquitous. Yeah and they build on the success of vapor rub. It's a shame because it probably did nothing for influenza. Well yeah but i mean why. Let that get in the way of a good brand stories. You're not here to be a bummer. Justin really just make fun joke at the expense of brand but it wouldn't have helped them So we the to to continue to to follow the sort of vicks story They continue to introduce new products after this thirty one. They sold a cough drops that were in the. If you've ever seen the classic vicks logo where it's like the inverted triangle. That's greenish yeah. It was a little point down at the end the shape of the Cough drops that they that they brought out triangular. Yeah all right and you wouldn't think most era throat dynamic. Why doesn't sound like it'd be pleasant in your mouth. Even yeah you would think in. Nineteen fifty hundred. Cough syrup was added to the mix ninety. They cannot with sign x. Nasal spray and in nineteen sixty six nyquil hit the market. We're going to zoom back in on some of those products nyquil so in one thousand nine hundred thirties. They merged with the william s meryl chemical company to form richardson meryl. And that was the name of the company for quite some time than meryl obviously not using the vix thing just focusing on you know these. The we wanted his last name in there at least right somewhere Vix Kind became sinnot. Because of these products khan became synonymous with with colds. Flu stuff and They even in the nineteen forty s started marketing. The vix plan to fight colts brian. This is a strategy that they cooked up for how they could fight colds. And i'll read this to you. This is from their vast experience. Vicks medical advisers and scientists developed a simple home. Guide called vicks. Plan the proved. It's real worth tests. Made among two thousand six hundred hundred children under medical supervision reports show that resulted in fewer colds shorter colds fifty percent less sickness from colds. Now this tested vicks plan is ready for you to use in dealing with colds. Of course vicks plan may do less for you and your family or it may do more more anyway anytime like this. It is certainly worth trying in your own home. Two hundred and fifty thousand kids two thousand six hundred fifty. Oh i thought you said turned fifty soviet. Well that's gonna say. How did they get that. So two thousand six hundred and fifty children. They tested this plan. Would you have the plan. What plan is a three-set plan do you have the. Did you read the study. Did they publish the study now. This is a newspaper ad. I'm reading so no. They didn't have the distrust us. There's a study was is implied. That's what i'm i want. I'm wondering where's the study. Yeah well. I don't have the stadium for okay okay. So maybe there wasn't. Here's the plan. One observe a few simple rules. Live normally avoid excess. Who normally don't live normally. I one is dopey weird weird stuff because we can't account for that normally. What if that may normally avoid excesses drink plenty of water. Keep elimination regular. that's huge. If you wanna nation right you'll regular. As if i have a choice in that matter like just like like i'm deciding nutritional things you can do to stay regular get needed rest and sleep. Avoid crowds and people who have colts. Hey got good cold right yeah win. A cold threatens at the first warning sign first. Sniffle sneeze us vicks veteran all as directed veteran all yes facial what it was that which of the products. I'll tell you vision. Just slip those headphones on okay. Look jackson mississippi and the beautiful residential district hasn't suffered one bet from california and arizona snows most sections of the country have been getting even so with all the changing temperatures mrs brown trouble with a sniffly sneezy head cold but fortunately she knows that today head cold stopping. This can be relieved. Him seconds with vicks matron all nose drops they worked fast to bring soothing really meanwhile downtown at his office. Mr brown nose. It's good business to keep a bottle of vicks matron all nose drops handy drop sue there. Tation help to clear out congestion. Bring relief in seconds all yourself so as nearest mainly like Looks like knows draw nose. Jobs looks like similar. What i was able to find similar ingredients to was in vapor. Rub just sort of like intense. I believe like menthol and camphor but you would take drops of it and just blast it right in there you know there. I'm trying to find the ingredients in it from what i can find here. Menthol and camphor worthy those ingredients. Yes okay probably wouldn't kill you. I don't know that's that's true for a lot of these when it comes to. I mean i don't wanna knock on vic's too hard because when it comes to some of these like over the counter cold sinus whatever remedies even today a lot of them. It's like well they probably won't kill you. We're going to get into more of that. And i love your judgment if you could reserve it just a little bit. I finished my story about brands so so veteran all the steps to win threatens but if you still get a cold even after you jam vitro Us vicks vapor rub bedtime. It's double action sharks to work once. Keeps on working hours and invites restful sleep. The first thing won't prevent a cold and this will not care a cold but carry on then at the bottom. It says full details of vick's plan in your package of vicks if the miserable symptoms of a cold or not really promptly or if more serious trouble seems to threaten. Call your family doctor right away. A reasonable plan. I feel like you know worry about that plan. I it is. It is reasonable to say if you have like your traditional and i'm going to be very cautious. How i couch this because we are living in. Cova time so everything. None of this applies currently. Everything's uncharted but generally in the past. If somebody said. I woke up this morning and i had a runny nose and a little bit of a cough and some congestion and it sounded like a cold. I wouldn't advise them to rush immediately to their doctor or call their doctor right away right. A lot of times for mild cold like symptoms. You don't need to rush anywhere. yeah but now. I don't know that if you use these over the counter things. I don't know that it's necessary. I think you could or you couldn't and it wouldn't really matter that much. But i do think like the idea that you don't need to for what seems like a mild cold under pre pandemic can't conditions run to the doctor. I think that that sound advice. Yes but the problem is if vicks also has to do little covering of their proverbial butts lately speaking and go go to your doctor who we're talking about. Sorry just kidding just by the favor up by the vapor rub and then go to your go go to your doctor and the vapor rub their back then i bet you could've i'm gonna tell you more fascinating facts about but i i need you to take a break with me and follow me to the billing department. Let's let's go asking if you're gonna hire someone it's like it's like welcoming someone. Nuclear family is a new addition. Your family do you think we could hire somebody specifically to make our kids finish their ps someone whose job it would be. I hate that job. We hire a third kid to eat the peas. 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Mattie myers you can find triple click wherever you get your podcasts and listen at maximum fun dot org so some more quick hit stuff about The this company which at this point where we are currently is richardson. meryl they Made a push for drug called. Kevin john That i i believe you talked about you. You're going to be delving into this aspect of this Story yet in later episodes to dwell on name what that is the limb. It's the mines we've gotten lots of requests to do upset on that so we'll we'll be revisiting that that's a whole episode worth of material vicks formula forty four. That is i feel like you never see that one as much anymore. I still remember it. Yeah it's a it's dextrathoraphan over over the counter And then there is in like we said the mid sixty s. We have nyquil now. Nyquil was interesting. What's her set it apart at the time when it was released. You know nyquil is the sniffly sneezy. You know so you can rest medicine right. They changed the combination of different time. Formula it's this sleepytime before in fact Well why is it called. Michael you ask. No one knows well not all on. I know what you're about to say because this is what it says on the viks website. The origin of nyquil name is shrouded in legend man. He believed that the many this is from the company's official website many believe the name was derived from nighttime tranquility because it deserve delivers superior nighttime relief and provides the healing powerfully of sleep. Well i assume that ni- reference night because of day quayle quill dayquil came decades later. Oh yeah nyquil will help you get your z's i think what they're saying is we don't know why it's called mike well but this seems like a good the quilt part it to my thinking and i mean i don't know this is just my guess from a marketing perspective. Quill maybe it makes you think of tranquil or tranquility or maybe it makes you think of tranquilizer. Maybe like i want something to knock me out. Because i'm so tired of coughing is of i mean and that's how we think of nyquil right like it's the thing that you take when you just need to be asleep and done with this cold for a while the everett the thing about nyquil makes it like sort of helps to make a splash. We had cough syrup. Yes we had cold pills. Cold medication nike was the first one that said like. Let's do it all in this syrup right and it's not just for cost. It's for the the entire constellation of symptoms It also was the first included dosing cup. Which is a big deal because it may dosing at home like normally if you had a constellation of symptoms you would go to your doctrines they like this and this and this and here the three different medicines that you would need for that or try to make some yourself. You know figured out but this may take. You didn't have to do that math. You didn't have to figure out all the different doses. It was all of this one dozing cup. That was that came with the model that you know that makes sense to when i think about like how often as a kid when i got medicine. It was just measured in like a spoon. This is about east. And i mean it is a teaspoon. But it's sort of. I mean it's sorta certainly as measuring cups And emails but the other thing about that The it's an alcohol. Would there is alcohol in their. Yes yes you got to see. The medicine dextrathoraphan Doc see lien samsullah mean. Docile means donate Citric acid alcohol. Some theaters flavor heifers corn syrup Sourness not a lot of alcohol. I don't think no i. I'm not sure about this. I think there used to be a little bit more Of course alcohol extremely common ingredient in all medicines at this point. Yeah i especially anything that was going to be a liquid was usually you know put in alcohol. They say that the alcohol is to act as a solvent yet. That is what that's what i'm saying. Yeah and not just like yes. But i mean that was always the connotation i had with nyquil was like. That's the stuff you drink when you need to sleep so following the story a little bit more of the business evolves into richardson vicks eventually And that company. Richardson vicks was acquired by proctor and gamble in nineteen eighty five. So there's not a vix company anymore as we know it. It is more of a line of products. Yeah it's more of a live products. Now does in your opinion and i have some fast. But they're very vicks vapor rub. Does it work is a question. I have looked into this briefly before. Because we've we've talked around vicks vapor. Rub we've never done this sort of history about it but we've talked around it and my impression is that there are some studies that indicate that like menthol and camphor and those ingredients can make you feel lake. You have the sensation. That you're less congested can give you that sort of lake symptomatic relief. But they're not necessarily altering the course of the illness in any way. So there's some subjective improvement that is my impression from from what i've that's basically what There wasn't study. The penn state did That showed that it's more effective than placebo. Petroleum rub for coughing congestion and helping people sleep but the study also showed that unlike the petroleum rub placebo. Vicks vapor rope was associated with brain Skin knows and is so and five percent of the of the people who were in the study had a rashes result of using the product zeal and the studies. I saw there is was a according to this wikipedia. Article was a paid consultant for gamble. Yeah i mean. I think it's when you inhale that sent you feel like you're breathing better Yeah that is a that you get the sensation of of improve. It feels like it feels like now. I don't think that translates to. You are breathing better that that would be what i would argue but like certainly subject now. I am surprised at that. Many people got a rash. Yeah in that study that that seems like a really large percentage considering the vicks vapor of is used at least it used to be. I don't know if it's common now. I feel like there was that moment where a lot of parents used these sorts of things for their kids before a lot. More regulation came. You know like we used the days of dimetapp and things like that you know when our parents would give us all these medicines that then the governing organizations came in and said actually don't know never mind. Don't give all the stuff to kids. It's not really helpful and it might. It probably won't harm him but it might and it doesn't help To have more complete lists to circle back on vapor rub itself because that is sort of the the of the line We'd have congr- ingredients camphor eucalyptus oil menthol inactive ingredients including early voile nutmeg oil petroleum final interpretation oil. This is a product vaber up specifically that has a like what you just described. That is a story that a lot of people for generations have had they barabbas important like throughout the planet in different ways It's In different like Cultural communities takes on different like aspects. It there's an article in the la times about Theref- richard as a portal. Like the My my pronunciation is probably poor but like it's very important that their community right. It's in germany. it is. They're these products are for sale. They're not called vicks because vicks sounds a lot like fiqh and if you're wondering what that translates to it would be like if here we call these products. Vox oh so. In germany. they're called a wick and it just looks exactly the same all exactly the same. It's just it's not vicks. It's wicks okay. is it as what they're marketing marketed under in throughout germany. Did you find anywhere where they put it on their feet I've heard that before. I've had people tell me that. They put be relieved like cold symptoms. And i found that very fascinating because that was not the tradition. That i would say locally. I'm more familiar with his. Rub it on the chest or like i did. Put it on a handkerchief and inhale it. That's what i hear most frequently It is not. It would obviously not help with the helping the colds interest on the feet. Some people use it For again. None of these treatments are tested. But in the same with ben. Gay would work as you know a topical analgesic in there and then Apparently there was some indication that it might help of fungus. So that was roy. People were applying into the feet. I've heard that you know what's so interesting. All this stuff gets muddled. And i have had people tell me that. During times of illness they will go to get in bed put vicks vapor on their feet and then put on some warm socks over it to hold it in and that that's how help i heard that and i. You know it's always like well that's probably not going to help but it's not harmful. I suppose i have to tell you my favorite. This is my favorite thing about vix. And i've told you some. I know captivating things about this brand already. But this is my favorite thing. It's big in india okay and it had a sort of slow uptaken india. It was brought over there in The the the mid sixties and The the salesman who brought it over would go to markets and like individually per person The pitch to explain to them how worked And it caught on there really big. I in fact one of the In a book called india unbound the author. That book describes going to someone's house where a woman was boiling vicks in hot water and then breathing the vapors. Yes and that is where the company got the idea. Tur- vaporizer browsers instead. We used to have one of exactly so it was like It was that's how big it was there but in the mid eighties. It started to struggle for two reasons. One is pharmacists. It's it's the system is more complicated there then it but basically the pharmacists were boycotting vicks. Because they wanted a bigger cut of the of the prophets basically. They're distributing enoch. Creating them right okay And then also. The government became because it was worried about. It's it's politically complicated. But basically the government put in an order in the mid sixties continued for decades. That said that they were able to control. The price of drugs are worried about Chinese interfering with with a drug prices is is complicated that parts company. But here's the important thing. They were struggling right. The pharmacists were work hunting bags and also the government was controlling The prices of drugs to explain the pharmacist single bit retailers and chemists who sell drugs many. I'm reading retailers who sell drugs manufactured by pharmacists dictate availability of drugs in the market and consequently their price so basically the people making the drugs where separate from people selling the drugs and they went sunday morning. Here's the important thing vicks was there. Prophets were going way down and between these two factors. They were not making money vapor rub which is extremely competent product. They just couldn't couldn't make headway okay. So at that point. Vic's of india applied to the government because of a small exception in their role by price controls to encourage Small practitioners and people who weren't into allopathic treatments ir veda treatments. Were not part of the drug price control. So in india vicks filed for vapor. Rub to be considered an ira detriment. Vedic treatment they went through the different ir vedic texts and found parallels. I'm sure yeah. I can see where that would. They are vedic treatments which we've talked about before many times on the show Basically very old old old ancient like indian treatments that have been passed down and are still practiced its own medical systems medical assistance then allopathic madison that we practice but vicks the government said ov- able room. It's an iron gate at treatment. Look in the bugs. Did that tex absolutely. It worked so now it they vix to this day may is registered as an ira van product in in india. Because they were able to like look at it. There's no licenses they don't have to pay taxes on it. The price control isn't a problem anymore. and according to this vicks and they also sell it everywhere because y- drug anymore so the promises couldn't control the price anywhere And the outlets carrying vicks triple cred article. Two seven hundred and fifty thousand different ones and it was massive there. India was established as the leading producer. Vicks vapor rub among more than one hundred and thirty countries and it is It is now a hugely popular ironic treatment. That's wild. there's something very cynical about that. I can't say i love. But i i mean that's brands. Those said that's brand tracing did. That's not that's not medicine. That's not science that's brands. That's brands for you folks and That is my that is my story with vix. A proud brand That has done some things that we'll talk date on. Brands ought not all not all brands. Not all i mean that. That's always a problem with the intersection of Capitalism and medicine i mean. They're two different goals. One is to make people and want us to make people money. And what i think the thing the takeaway from me about vapor is the thing that seems to resonate with people is when someone feels bad is a thing you can do. That makes you feel like you're doing something that's what it should say on the package. Feel like you're doing. There is so much of medicine that is that. It's hard though. Because i am more from the opinion that the art of good medicine is doing as much nothing as you can Don't tamper too much but Can i just say I i understand that impulse. And i certainly associate the smell of vicks vapor rub to this day with being cared for and soothed and loved and coddled. You know because that's those were the times when it was part of my life and so that's nice and like sent is a very powerful memory like creator and stimulator and all that so i mean i think that those sort of things maybe not medicinally are important but culturally socially have some relevance and some importance that you can put on them You always wish they could. I mean maybe it's more appropriate to not classify a drug so to speak the only thing i would say though is when you name the ingredients you named several different oils like eucalyptus and things and I think we've mentioned this on the show before inhaling some oils can be triggering for things like asthma attacks So specifically i would be very careful and this would be true. Not just for victory for anything that you're gonna like vaporize and inhale whether it be in a vaporizer machine or like you said like boiling something to inhale the vapors That's always something to be careful with if you have a history of any sort of breathing problems asthma or copd or even in rare cases. I have read about like epilepsy and stuff. So i i would. Just be careful with like inhaling strong oils from any source those assed. that's funny. You said that there was actually an article from science daily from two thousand nine. Fm researching this that said that It was a study. I wake forest. That suggested The vicks vapor rub might create respiratory distress in infants in small children because stimulated mucus production and airway inflammation which can have affects on the breathing of infant or toddler. Yeah there's there is a we talked about this in essential oils. There is a reason why like just smelling. Something might not necessarily be dangerous but actually taking the next step of burning it in some way. You know what i mean. Not burning it but vaporizing turning into vapor right you know that that step and then inhaling it in larger volumes can be dangerous to some people and so i would approach that with great caution. I don't think if you like sniff. Some vicks vapor rub. That's necessarily dangerous. But inhaling large quantities of it or vaporizing it literally justice here in the city is first of all just like following the label. Instructions visits says label. You shouldn't use it under for people under the age of two I think there's a specific baby rub for for that purpose i think they sell and then also To not put it directly under the nose. It's not supposed to go like on the lip. It's supposed to go on the chest in they. You shouldn't put it on a handkerchief and stick it up under your does not do that. I would say generally speaking if you're concerned about any sort of breathing problems or in young children. Just don't use this. yeah. I mean it's just you'll know. Abandon a brand. That's been for you for with you for generations and go for a band in the brandon. What is the of my camp. It's well it's hard. It's like i said it's so many of these things and this is true by the way it can be frustrating if you're a parent especially if like you were apparent in more recent lake. Your kids are older now. You're watching them have kids. This is a big shift. There are tons of medicines for kids over the counter. Type stuff that we used to give all the time that we got justin. I'm sure as children. That are probably not dangerous. But also don't help and we'll be dangerous for just a few and so the shift has been just. Don't do it if not going to help it. It probably won't hurt but it might hurt somebody. So why what's the point And maybe vicks vapor goes in that category. Thank you so much for listening to our program. we very much appreciate it. Thanks to taxpayers for us to there's medicines as the program. Thanks to you for siemian patient with me on those probably different from our normal thing. It's pretty hard job as i found out. I thought you did a great job. I appreciate it very proud of you. That's going to do it for us next time until then minute just macaroni and sydney maccarone. Always don't drill a hole in your head. Maximum fund dot org comedy and culture. Artists don't audience supported.

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NFL Draft Series: Malcolm Roach, University of Texas, Defensive Line

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28:32 min | 1 year ago

NFL Draft Series: Malcolm Roach, University of Texas, Defensive Line

"We'RE THE THIRTY SECOND. Pick in the two thousand eighteen. Nfl draft the Baltimore. Ravens Select Lamar Jackson in the two thousand seventeen. Nfl draft Pittsburgh steelers select TJ linebacker. Kost pick in two thousand seventeen drive to New Orleans. Select Alvin Kamara running back Tennessee back. Welcome to the NFL. Pa snapback sports POD WE PARTNER WITH THEM which was super awesome. We sat down and talked to a Hook Them. Yes Texas longhorn legend Malcolm Roads defensive tackle big men affront. Little known. Fact is that he was actually a skill position player. Then he was a linebacker. He's moved all around you so fresh raw at the DT position. I'm super excited to see what he can do. In the League. We talked all things. How come we talked is Texas back obviously and we talked about his future in the NFL. I can't wait for you guys to hear it. Let's get it super excited to welcome Malcolm Roach University of Texas at Austin. A COMBINES LARRY O. First Longhorn ever on the PODCAST. Markham honored to have you man. How's it going good? I appreciate you guys have known the show no problem. Let's take a look. This is the second Longhorns your shaded our boy. Joe Well that's true we do have a friend Joe Schwarz who played for the basketball team. But we're talking like everyone knows. Jodi there's words but we're talking. Nfl level Longhorn. So Malcolm let's just kick it off with the question. Everyone's been waiting for are. We backed all well. I think we're headed in the right direction. You know this year. It wasn't what we wanted to be but I think every year we're headed in the right direction. Term is doing a great job either buying into the culture more and more every year so The where we put in work guys and I'm not putting a don't show on the field. You know up you guys down to the question. Yeah obviously want me to answer it. No Aves not going to get the answer. I'm GonNa Answer is yes you're like you said we are moving in the right direction. Which is the important part and honestly without injuries. We probably would have had a much better season. You look at you know. One of our first Games. We probably played L. I know what I'm saying way I'd invite you probably play. Lsu Out of every team honesty in the entire country better than Clemson gave him the National Championship. Alr- game tough Ron. But we had him on the roads. We really dead so I think injuries aside. We are moving in the right direction. Yea Come out these machines. Fish taken care of well You know a lot of sportsmen grape plant time and things like that so know moving on for the future. I think they're going to be pretty good true. I cool so fast forward through the college experience into the Nfl Pa collegiate bowl so you got a chance to go to the collegial and From what we've heard it was a great experience you learn a lot. You get identifying game. What was the collegiate all like for you? It was a great experience. You know it was. It was nothing like I thought it would be You know I was going up there. You know Going to be in Kelly. You know going to be able to enjoy myself when it would. You were busy but he was good busy. Learning from you know guys in the NFL. I was in the NFL. You know learning from people in the PTA Whichever to do as a rookie which able to do like well. How has your back and things like that but also learn about things my life at the football and a guy like The guy that runs the show all American who does so all Americans based off. Check that Hell. Yeah he was able to come back and talk to us and things like that so It was it was. It was bad being in a great experience. And know got to meet with a lot of teams and just showcase your town teams. Where's there was there any point during the whole NFL? I mean the clear process where you're like maybe a little starstruck at something when I was talking to you. Just like wow. I can't believe that I'm getting advice from from south I had When out within non in a meeting room earn you know you're sitting down in a meeting room with actual NFL coaches and you're going through meeting but NFL goes through and you just said there okay again real now you know he's not really talking to me and you know and they just they just not shoe company they really keeping it real what you like action on a team put him you know? Go into the game. We had the mindset that it was a real game we leading up to the game so That's what I was kind of just sending the means and you know The coach really coaching us up. And we know not donor for a paycheck. We're actually going out. Be a competitive trying to win. I feel like that's like a very underrated. Part of the whole like trying to get to the league part is like yeah you meet with these teams and teams are people are phrasing like yeah. He met with so. And so that's a job interview but it's not just like a casual DA- pup have some launch like it's a legitimate job interview so you said you met with a whole bunch of teams and you met with all the head coaches specifically or most of them. Most of the coaches. I met with a lot of scouts and a lot of you. Know people at that position coaches and Bianco is you can quarter and things like that You know really didn't try to combine also right so I have a question about a few coaches. Let's start off with Mr Bill L. CHECK. Let's see like You know I really don't know what you like. You know everybody has their own with me. But I didn't know he's a winner You know and they say they have a good coach over the New England show Pays because you know they win. Gmc like what about Andy? Reid did you get the chance to meet him to read. I feel like it would be like meaning Santa Claus Malcolm Sedan. Like you said you answer the combine and can I just mention to everyone? Listening Malcolm was moving. I didn't know you had that four eight four. I was watching you sleep. Yeah a big man moving like that. I don't watch Texas football I do. I've never seen him with the opportunity. Just full out sprint for forty yards. Where is that speak? Come from now all my life. I've been pretty fast nerve older brother. He played cornerback. All my friends play like skills with business like that. So you know young plan in the street I was always bigger than a guy so I had to catch them and things like that so It would it would just a natural talent. I had to be fast. Because I've been around fastball my life so you know going out there and running I knew I was going to run a time 'cause I've been doing it all my life I wouldn't suck back so so. You're you've done very dependent on your speed of some sort but obviously you play on a d line. You have to get to the quarterback in more ways than one. Would you take more enjoyment out of running through offense of Wyman putting him on a disease or making a mess and maybe doing a swim? Move and just leave him in the dust and using your speeds. It's quarterback I had to say own offense around just because I feel like anybody's able to go out there and you know this off mom and you know win like that but It takes like true wheel power dominate Moan at Graham So again what I just run it through all sorts and putting them on their ass. I love that so let me ask you about the combine. So was there any that was like we see all those rumors all those crazy stories and I know they. Prep you for stuff like that. The Wild questions you might get asked did you actually get asked anything. That was hilarious like that. You know I never really wild questions were. Oh my God they relax you dad but I've never got actually mostly because they actually know about any of that. I think that I get when I was younger. Things I did when I was first colonised by but Never Really Guy. Those wild questions note. Of course they go by and things like that so yeah. I had a pretty good experience with a good sign. Then you took the Wunderlich tests I well. We got out resulted in women. Would it was like my third time taking so I did to the gym. It's funny you say that because we've done how many episodes we've done this. A bunch of drafts episodes. And we obviously ask you all about the wondering because we're going to give you the snapback Wunderle but everyone says they don't really find out their score after that's like my monitoring bank at Disney for You know we got on the phone. Yacht mentioned it. That was my first time hearing about the one I took the test right so What I made well lucky for you. We will give you your score back but our score isn't just like a standard number. It's more about our test is a lot more accurate we feel in the NFL. So we based off your answers to these questions are able to determine how your NFL career is going to go whether you will be out of the League in two years if you'll get a shrine in in We'll pretty much be able to determine that in the next ten minutes so we're right at us. Well I'm ready when you guys are in high here. We go question number one a little bit math a little bit pop culture. So there's the Kardashian family the Jenner family. Obviously they're very famous. They all have a bunch of daughters not including the mother. So just the girls if you were to date each of the daughters for six months at a time. How long would it take you to finish dating every single? One of them Okay though is Courtney chloe currently more of Oh Courtney chloe Tari before finishing my life. Man I don't know if I didn't think at a time. Yeah four of them What did they twenty four left out. Candle Jenner isn't your off calendar Kindle Candle two and a half years but she teach low key low key when he she loves K. C. You know you hear about college here. 'cause we're trying to claw you know related lot of celebrities but kimberlite. She's the most I think what she did database them. That's a fair. You showed good knowledge of the Kardashian family. So that's impressive. I mention next question isn't avocado a fruit or a vegetable. Oh I remember. This is this is big for your NFL career. This is what we make sure that this is going to impact your career unlike the NFL's Wanderley I had a fruitful. Ooh I we're giving you for the first time. Here's the thing everyone's interests of vegetable which would make sense but it's actually a fruit which is bullshit because an avocado is not a fruit. Like technically by Miriam Webster definition. It could be a fruit but let's just not play games. It's actionable got. Everyone else came on the pod wrong. Because that's the correct answer. Edit their question all right you see that is what happened. Starts here changes the world. That's what they said adding rolling if you had a dollar for every country in the world. How many big MAC burgers not the meal? Could you purchase? Oh my God every country in the world yeah. I'm legit God on a limb 'cause I don't even know how many countries in the world the big you don't make downloads man. I haven't had a big Mac and forever but I do. Even McDonald's man I'll be able to get a million million a million big mix. Okay the crack dancers fifty honestly. I wish I could get a million big MACs so million fifty couple patients here and they're all right next question. What's heavier a thousand pounds of bricks or thousand pounds of feathers very thorough about everything. You're not you're not drinking a ut boy with that question if you give me a few questions these are these mandalite this one. Actually we had to throw on football question not really football question but what's longer an NFL football or five dollars football? Oh five dollars for a long long twelve inches obviously. Nfl football eleven inches. So well done there. Let's get some months have thirty one days other months have thirty days? How many months have twenty eight days like used remind correct but also also with twenty eight days? There's January march April May June July August September October November December. All the months of twenty eight days Oh that ut education out of the. That's the thing it's Malcolm's East. Quick off the ball but when it comes to The snapback I gotTa have owner next question next question. You're running a race and you pass the guy in third place. What place are you now in? I'm running the rate. Not Pass Geyser. I've met her now. I well done. Well done helium in my opinion the hardest. Guar actually a this is what I want to say. I don't know if this is the hardest question. I actually think the next question the last question's the hardest. That's the one people have a good thing is he has to answer both anyway. A little bit of a spelling test. So you got ninth-place Tenth Place Twelfth Place. I forgot eleven. Eleven place spell the word twelfth will. Yeah yeah no one. I didn't know how to spell it out of spell. That's why we had to test everyone if they had any. My Mom. Aca surprises me among Wilkes W. P. H. There's Lou that's what it should be. I agree but there's a stupid effing there. It's T. w. e. l. f. t. h. over I called. I can't even remember the spilled the word twelve. I know. I know you shouldn't be at work. That shouldn't be a word rights. One two t h responded but that would be locker room gold for you can get all your teammates on the hardest question. In my opinion last question a monkey a squirrel and a giraffe a racing to the top of a coconut tree. Who Will Get the banana? I A monkey squirrel. A giraffe area could atop were coconut tree. Who Will Get to the banana? I yes yeah. Coconut tree okay. So what a Banana Hairdo there? We go there we go. I was talked out like nobody. Else's repeated the question back to us. They're just a giraffe. How did you lose yourself through that one good for you because I wanted to go giraffe and I was drawn to the person? That's my hold on Kogo. Trie details that matter. It's the Education Abe say it came. It came clutch in the end. So based off your test results. We have a five time for a bowler to team all brow. An any improvement. You WanNa make for yourself. If that doesn't satisfy WHO's GonNa come on you so we we started you off right but will we'll see where career to Max out at all when they're young. Yeah Definitely Malcolm outside of Football What do you like to do Me Personally You know this. The Pan Denikin. I've been reading a lot Been reading Play a lot of two K. Out How would I don't know well? Well you probably will because you probably because I'm a I'm a I'm a part. They're mockery player. You know what I mean. I and that's the fun. Part is a game. Yeah so not a to K You know what else to say I love You know you know making people laugh things like that so I like that. I mean you made us laugh. Yeah I'm just trying to put a smile on the face of once a day man loved it here that so going back to the football field. Is there anyone way first off? Did you grow up a fan of any specific team? Yeah When I was younger group the Saints Man Okay Turn so was there any player Growing up you try to model your game after always like maybe that played on the D. Line that you're like damn like I see my I see myself in him will in high school and things like that. I play like I'm back. You know I'll athletes in high school. I always wanted to be like What's his name Always wanted to be like when I was running about wanted to be like Linda White. You know the guy that plays the other night because he would like no. He's so big and they would run over everybody so I wanted to be like Lyndale white on defense. I wanted to be like a Louis but like the old I got a you know started noticing. I wouldn't want to be able to play running back all my life big I wanted to be like You Know Cam Jordan guys like that guys. I feel like I'm on my game asset so like Jordan. Janury those guys so I feel like there might be a goal line set in your future when he thank like on on on the offensive side of the ball. I feel like there might be a goal line search for you. Oh yeah should be You just tired of the coterminous about that could give it to you. We're not give it to me. We actually were close to run the play in the spring game. Plan screen game and We never got to the goal line in the spring and so we couldn't run the play man that's best annual captain so in. Nfl when you do get an answer. What's the celebration. Live right. No Would he be going up? You GotTa know when you're there you gotTa Make People Laugh. You got you know. Were Monster Liberation Buff light usually golf. Ma a mark emotionally calm and You know dealing room takes. Do we always say whatever we in the end zone. I didn't know he didn't throughout the game. 'cause we go celebrate their whole so. I don't know what I'm GonNa do do you have you know. Did you in college have a specific Celebration if you if you got a sack Not really just a specific one I just always get the crowd hyping guy that said the engine a crowd so just you know just going crazy out on the field. Anyone of my teammates. They'll probably go go crazy calling on the brown things like that. Make the my God I I mean I know but it's it's very easy to tell just from listening to way Jock your team for Sky Your family guy. You're a funny guy like what's your favorite part about being what's wrong with. You is wrong with me man. I don't know an answer. I don't know checking all the boxes. What about what about in the Locker Room? Like what's your What do you guys do when you're just showing? Are you doing jokes always Now I'm not doing. I was crying joke. That'd be a Chris Brown in our Locker Room Brown guys like Chris Boy He was a guys like Gary Johnson. Those guys are you could just sit down and listening listening to them. Talk all day and I. I'll be the guy that you know like nails funny jokes and I p chance someone to take it to the next level you know what I mean. He likes those. Just feed off the energy that was by my role in the locker room but You know in our locker-room egg we were a real big Ford. Nineteen after we got the new New Locker Room put in and we got to go. Tv put in there and you know it seemed like everybody team has been locker room and they have four hundred on. You know you lose blankie going things like that. So we can't be beat. Bigfoot nineteen. The coach has been lucky. I feel that right so before we hang up just so we can play a little Austin game what's your favorite place to eat when you're back at school. I'm GONNA go next. Man replaced the e back at school of they had a place. I love going to I don't know if you guys have been it was like in around the Cedar Park Area It was called Wild Magnolias. Occasion side Bear good people the people from New Orleans Louisiana. So you know what made me feel at home when I went there? Just a great play. Better go you there Abe. What about you so so Malcolm just to give you context? Even higher best friends grew up together and we hate each other out of love. But I mean you know how best friends are a one time you gave me. A compliment was when he came to visit Texas and he said the food brought a food is so fire. Everything Austin of Grin and I went to Penn state and a great meal at Penn State is AAA and it. Still tastes like yeah. There's no food at Penn State. I went to Austin and I swear to God. Every meal was better than the next. I got off the plane with an hour of landing at torchy's Tacos in front of me. Okay torture. That's good luck this by black's barbecue. We Max's for Brunch. We ordered in some. What was the Bacon? Egg and cheese is not even a famous body was just like around. The corner was a four years later. Still Remembers every restaurant. We ate in a specific weekend in the Min- of of November incredible. My favorite spot is I came back for the LSU game. We hit some good spots I mean black's barbecue. Barbecue definitely special but also low key spots kids know about a lot of a lot of hold on the walls hidden gems got it. You know you gotta find a piece like that You know a lot I go to spice with earth ice cream cone cold. 'cause you told nine never even heard right. There is the right thing with campus We go to Col- cookie like you know games or you know after like unday practice and you want to join the cooking. Shake things like that so a lot of holding the walls. Why did you gotta find out that way you guys would get like obviously a meal plan unlimited meal plan for the. Oh my gosh I feel. Joe took me to the their dining hall wants. Its Act like name of food. They have it. It's like what my question was like Ken. Agai like Malcolm urge. Oh who has a meal plan of some sort go to downtown Austin place and use it or the actual? They can only through their own computer them. Yeah Buddy I had a buddy my friend. Bacon on the football team and I drive him to class and we would go to the student center Mike. At our student center chick-fil-a he could just swipe unlimited chick-fil-a and I was just like. Oh God. Do my drive you to class. Every man I wish I wish we had that But we we had a we had place Staffers our doors and I was going to go to Cyprus. And you know you have unlimited twice in Cyprus. is basically like Like looking mark nachos valid piece of things by Jazz Malcolm. We won't. We won't tell this or show this parts of the scouts but Replace on Sixth Street. My favorite place on speaks to go to places Rio New York New York okay. I- solid spots reaction to talk about in my trail. I couldn't I couldn't really tell you places on sixth street that I went to me that out. Wh what you guys were like a wishes or would I mean our first few years of college. I'm not condoning. You know any anything here but we would be on eastern them. When we grew up a little we we had the spots on. I always six is legendary. Thank you guys for listening to Malcolm Roach conversation. Malcolm Hook 'em my dude and best of luck to you in the league. Make sure to stay tuned for more snapback sports pot interviews with our top. Nfl draft prospects. Snapback fam- catch you later.

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Masks, Facebook, sexism, Trump, unemployment.  Guests Dana Nessel, Joe Schwartz, Jonathan Oosting.

Michigan Policast

53:27 min | 1 year ago

Masks, Facebook, sexism, Trump, unemployment. Guests Dana Nessel, Joe Schwartz, Jonathan Oosting.

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I three, eighty, six, seventy nine. I, too, am a stable genius and. cognitively they're. Also on the pod this week to right wing petition drives bite the dust. Conservative spin machine lies about Governor Whitman police funding trump hits at a military invasion of Detroit and AOC calls out a sexist pig on behalf of all women everywhere. And we'll be joined by bridge magazines, Jonathan hosting on his investigation into the mess. That is the Michigan Unemployment Compensation System, also by physician and former Republican congressman Joe Schwarz. He's helping fight efforts to overturn the governor's emergency powers. We begin with mask up. And, they small minority Michiganders' who see wearing a piece of cloth as an attack on their freedom, their health and the American way of life. Buddha. Go! Food. Help Save Oh. And that is Gloria Stefan part of a new music video? She produced as a message to her neighbors in south Florida. And it seems like all the major national and regional retailers are now on board with mandatory use of face masks and more Republican governors, and their states to those require a mask public Ohio's Mike Dewine and Indiana's Eric Holcomb are on that list. All comes order makes noncompliance criminal misdemeanor punishable by a fine or even up to six months in jail. Presumably, it'd have to wear a mask in Yoursel-. Yeah, the actually isolate them there, so that's a good start. Wealth that said Holcomb has made it clear that there are no mask police a. he made a comment that this is more of an educational initiative and the police like in Michigan are already saying they will not be policing the wearing of masks. However, they'll respond to trespass 'cause if someone refuses to leave a location after being turned away, I'm really fascinated to see if this works. I spent a lot of time in Indiana my grandkids live down there and so I'm down there visiting fairly regularly. I don't have any contact with any other human beings. On the streets at the last time I was in Indiana. Hardly anybody was wearing a mask anywhere and my wife reports. The was the same problem in most stores as well. Will this executive order make a difference there or is going to be like in Michigan where people comply, but a few people just say to hell with it Indiana's attorney general has issued an opinion that the order is not valid of course. Course? There's quite a rift between the governor and the Attorney General the attorney general down. There actually isn't a lawyer right now. His law license has been suspended by the State Supreme Court as the result of groping for women at a party one of them a state legislator. He also recently lost his primary election for another term. He's a lame duck at apparently is just decided. He's GonNa go out and. A ball of fury. Yeah, I feel like groping. Women at a party is going to be a theme in this podcast. Fisher reason sexism seems to be everywhere. The Anti Mass Movement has been fueled by facebook groups. Just in Michigan. There are a dozen groups devoted to spreading the virus in attacking Governor Whitmer facebook is taking note of this misinformation being spread by these groups. They're doing a few different things. Groups that repeatedly share false news will not be promoted, and they will appear lower in news feeds. So those little things you see on the side that say here's a group you might want to join. They won't. Those groups won't be featured like that. FACEBOOK is also adding warning labels when someone interacts with a post that has faked corona virus information, so if you like it or share it or comment on it, they remove pseudoscience as an advertising category, which frankly walked. I can't believe even ever was one. That's very disappointing. As of last week they've removed more than two and a half. Million pieces of content promoted fake covid information as we pointed out in the open, one of the chief claims of the anti mass crowd is. Is that the governor's executive orders are not law, and there's no legal obligation to comply with them. That's where I began my conversation earlier this week of the Torney General Dana Nessel in the interview. We also talked about the possibility of the president sending Federal Forces in Detroit, as he's done in Portland and Kansas City hours after we talked the White House announced in fact, there would be feds moving in Detroit, but supposedly a different role than the storm trooper tactics in Portland. General Desa all talk about the governor's executive orders one of the things I see online a lot from the people that are resistant especially to the masking is it's just an order from the governor. It's not a law, and so they don't have to obey it. How do you respond to that? Law and actually. I is power that was appropriated from the legislature to the governor in a law that was passed in one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, five for emergency situations exactly like this, and so it is actually a law that all of these executive orders are promulgated under now there have been at this juncture dozens of challenges including by the legislature to these orders and both. Both State Court and in federal were all the challenges have been defeated, so the courts have upheld is executive orders in every instance, so the absolutely one hundred percent our law, and it's very troublesome to me when you have local sheriffs who will say well. It's not really law I have to enforce it. They're very ron. And of course, it said that. Enforcement is an issue and a lot of people are ignoring it. You see it in lansing traffic laws. They don't get enforced. People ignore them. What can be done with the with the Massachusetts? State Police started enforcing it, or is it going to be voluntary compliance? I it in some instances, but we've been more than anything coordinating with the counties, and with the municipalities in for the most part, and there's a lot of attention that is paid anytime. You have anybody in law. Enforcement says we'RE NOT GONNA. Enforce it. Everybody pays attention to that, but for the most part most of the county prosecutors and most of the sheriffs in in the municipalities have having Wahdat. But of course first and foremost, they want to educate people the the go to move a or should not be to somebody a citation I it should be to talk to them and say hey. Look similar law we need to. Abide by if you don't feel comfortable with it, then please don't enter this store where this location because you're not permitted to do so and more times than not people comply I will say that I am grateful. Long last, the president now is finally broadcasting a message that it's important. Wear mask, and I think had he doesn't ask the very beginning I, had president trump not fought back and really sort of much the the wearing of masks. We wouldn't be in the situation at all. All and I think that everybody would would understand that. CDC is made this recommendation for a very long time. I think there is a wide consensus, if not unanimity of mice, medical professionals that the best way to prevent spread of the virus, parties who are in Wrexham and eighty Richard where mass, but finally that message is getting out in so I, think we're GONNA. See a little bit less in terms of hesitation or outrageous science of the mass order, and that's my hokey way. Be a lot of support from the major retail chains which has got to make your life a little bit easier. US. You know when you have store. If you have Walmart or target or kroger, or what have you saying, listen you ask Cana. Wearing masks need to go to those for many different reasons, and so when it's the policy of store I think that will will understand that. It's ask -lutely not negotiable. Yes, you have a few incidences here. And there were people have become angry and are. Engaging in behavior, which is sometimes the legal, but I think for the most part people are complying when I've been out to destroy I really haven't seen that personally I'm in the Metro Detroit area and from what I've seen. People are are widely compliant, and I haven't seen any disturbances even have been in stores, hundreds and hundreds of people. The president has made it clear that well. He may not be real keen on enforcing mask requirements. He is keen on bringing the army at least into a couple of cities. He's done it. Announced it now with two cities Portland escalating the violence by bringing in military, and now he's going into Kansas City talking about going into Chicago. You and the governor spoken out pretty strongly about any efforts by the president to bring federal forces at the Detroit. What can you do if he decides to do it well? And there are instances where it would be appropriate for authorities to come in, and you know traditionally speaking when there's legitimate purpose behind the federal authorities have worked well with the state authorities and with local authorities, there has to be a plan with working together in concert, and the problem is what the president has done is he has not shown that he's interested in working together. Our state authorities to assist when it's needed. Instead he he demonize is elected officials that are another party he calls are our cities, war-zones and he. He talks about dominating our state residents who are merely engaged in lawful protests that are protected under the First Amendment, so really seen like situation where he's trying to help out. He's trying to take over. That's the language that he's utilized in the past. In those cases, obviously, we would reject such efforts now is that federal theories WanNa come in and coordinate with everybody and really make an effort in terms of trying to fight back against violent crime, which we have seen a rise of us since the pandemic has begun. Are Massively unemployed we've had thousands and thousands of people die, and it does. Seem you know it causes unrest when you are in this very unstable situation which I blame, you know, enlarge part. Federal Government were in the first place that being the case. If they WANNA work with us, that's a different story by in order for them to come in are limited circumstances. They can do so if they have not already courted van. Coordinated with law enforcement, and as requested that come in and for them to do, so they really have. There has to be an emergency situation for them to do that and I would argue that you know peaceful protests. They largely have been you. Know is not tantamount to an emergency situation where federal authorities are required to be here and when we have seen. Seen any kind of unrest, he's been so limited I mean we're talking about minor misdemeanors at had been committed that don't require the use of a federal authorities and i. what bothers me more than? Anything is what we saw in many those videos on that occurred in Orlando. Religiously have federal authorities that we don't know what agents either from they're not identified. And they seemingly snatching block street, and putting them into vehicles and taken God knows where. that. an autocratic society. That's not how things are done in the United States and they've never been that way so obviously. We reject that in any event we saw absolutely I'll a lawsuit to ask federal work to prevent federal authorities from doing that and I know I saw a prosecutor in Philadelphia. Prosecuting federal agents who engaged in that kind of conduct, especially, Rehab a situation where there's no crowd will cosford rest, and there's impolite coming in and swooping people up, and they don't have the authority to do that are only a few enumerated reasons. Why will already read that way is? They're not working with data state law. To protect the federal building, or if you had groups that were engaging in interstate activities, but if you absent, those types of things is not appropriate, and I would take action against the federal government unique event that engaged those kinds of activities, his shoes his, though the date state attorney, General the Democrats have been the last line of defense against some of the abuses of the trump administration. I've lost track of how many lawsuits are involved in with your fellow. AGEE's from around the country. Where where do you begin is overwhelming even for you? As a joke campaign trail that I would sue the federal government every day if I had you in order to protect our state residents, but I thought it was exaggerating when I said that. Sometimes it does seem we have see the federal government every day you know I, mean just there are multiple actions that trump administration, and you know Donald Trump's various departments and agencies take on a daily basis, which violates federal statutes violates administrative. Procedures Act and the constitution I mean just just the other day. Sudden file signed an executive order saying that undocumented persons would not be counted in the census in clearly violates the. The constitution it is not a maybe you know it absolutely does. There's no question about it, but you know Donald. Trump is displayed time and time again that he has no interest in inviting by the Constitution. He literally doesn't care at all whatsoever. As long as it meets political agenda and so yet we have to utilize the office Jane Attorney General Issue Fight Back and be as aggressive as possible and doing so and I will say that the cases that we file. We have about an eighty percent. Win Rate in imports, so these are hardly frivolous lawsuits they have been largely. Archaeologists have been largely. Sustained by the courts to agree GIS have been the activities of the trump administration, and that's what we're going to have to continue to do I wanted to the you there you stops acting illegally on such a regular routine basis where he's at a raucous whichever comes first Turner General Nestle. Thanks for joining his son apologist and keep making good trouble. For having me and daycare. Can. I just add here. How much I just adore. Dana Nassau her her passion for justice. Just gives me warm fuzzies. Just really appreciate her energy. Coming out of that office has really been pretty incredible there on so many issues, and they're all really people oriented issues, and as we talked about in the interview, a lot of them involve suing the trump administration, but it's basically on behalf of protecting the people of Michigan from the overreach of trump on so so so many issues, the latest being attempt to rig the census. The irony of it is when we had our first census back right after the constitution was enacted, we became a country, the only people that were counted or immigrants NATO Americans weren't counted. And slaves were only counters three fifths for person. The only people that were Kinda were basically European White European immigrants. The Seguin can be titled this very bad week in right wing politics I. It was a bad week for right wing petition drives right to life had to scrap its abortion ban pedal drive. They were short on signatures they got gotTa recount from the Board of Canvassers, and they're still were short on signatures, and rather than to continue to pursue it. They just dropped it and to me. What's significant about this? Christine isn't so much that right to life was. Unsuccessful in their effort, it is that it shows how hard it is to get signatures right to is really very well organized. They're very well funded and they couldn't come up with the numbers so it first of all makes me a little proud of what we do with voters, not politicians and getting seizures, but also. I think it is a good sign for the petition drive. That's underway right now regarding. Regarding the governor's emergency powers repealing those we'll be talking with one of the people fighting that and just a few moments, but it's going to be very very difficult. Given the combination of the numbers involved and the pandemic and the complications that pose get the half million signatures that they need and so I'm glad to see of course the right to life petition drives scrapped basically would aband- second term abortions. Also of this one was really funny, because it was announced facebook Chad Bays who started the petition drive to recall the governor, which was going nowhere they wanted to. They needed over a million signatures and sixty days. They weren't gonNA. Get Him, but he announces on facebook that he had fired the campaign manager for his committee, and the campaign manager made off with all the data files, and so they couldn't contact anybody, so you've just posted I'm sorry guys. David Blair after being fired last night hijack the recall committee page and recall website. The recall is over before it begins. UPS. That's good stuff you hate to see. Well is also a bad week for right-wing Internet trolls. Their viral meme of the week turned out to be a total lie. You probably saw them him on social. It was a big image claiming that Governor Whitman is executive order number, one, fifty, five funded the police and the prison by tens of millions of dollars, and that meam was picked up by other sketchy right-wing amplifiers, like Steve Gruber and bright art and the movement self was shared thousands of times just in the first few hours. The cuts that they refer to, and they talk about defunding the police in the prisons, these are part of a bipartisan budget deal was negotiated between the governor and the legislature, and even Republican members of the legislature have come forward to say that this is not true. The police the president's were not did major news outlets and even Michigan Capitol confidential has. Has published an article explaining it, so that mean was debunked hard, but you know how these things are well. I don't think we can deny that. It had the desired effect at least some people who saw it I'm sure they're going to be Republicans campaigning for the state legislature, and maybe even for Congress that use that misinformation is part of the campaign. It was also a bad week for at least one right wing Congressman Florida's Ted Yoho, or is it Yoyo He hurled some insults one on one at New York's Alexandria Casey Cortez calling her crazy dangerous out of your mind, and wrapping up a little diatribe by calling her a fucking bitch. He later apologized. They're kind of apologize. SORTA half asked apology, which included denial that he had set it. Is among other things a former bartender, so she's heard those words before, and said any remarkable speech on the House floor. She wasn't personally hurt by the tyrod, even though it was on the steps of the US capital, and even though it was overheard by some reporters what pissed her off? Yoho uses a defense that he had a wife and a daughter, but what I do have issue with is using women are wives and daughters as shields and excuses for poor behavior. Mr. Yoho mentioned that he has a wife and two daughters. I am two years younger than Mr Yo hoes, youngest daughter. I am someone's daughter to. When you do that to any woman. What Mr Yoho did was give permission two other men to do that to his daughters, he gave permission to use that language against his wife. His daughters women in his community and I am here to stand up to say that is not acceptable and not acceptable here in Michigan where our state is basically at least on the Democratic Party side by women. Governor whipper Attorney General Nestles Secretary of State Benson Senator Stabber now five of the seven democratic members of Congress House Democratic leader Christine Greg about half of the House Democrats as well as the share of the Michigan Democratic Party Lavoro Mars and I. Hear this stuff all the time. The kind of sexist insults being thrown especially at the governor right now in addition to be calling Hitler and Stalin a lot of other things. She's called a lot of sexists, things as well in the arguments over the executive orders, but I think what. AFC You you had it right. She doesn't just speak out on inter own defense. She was speaking out on behalf of all women that are under these attacks all the time in public life and you know you mentioned governor Whitmer. You kind of expect a certain kind of attack against a woman in executive office. I think how Mike this traded. Jennifer Granholm certainly set an example for Mike Shirke and the way that he works with Gretchen Whitmer Mike Bishop was terrible to Jennifer Granholm even so much as like running from her when she tried to shake his hand. Just that was a bad relationship, but it's not just the big three in office. Look at how Sirkin. Rejected Anna middling appointment to the Natural Resources Commission saying now. We know there was stuff going on behind the scenes, but his statement on that was that she couldn't make tough decisions. Give me a break and there's a reason that senator. Grab ass thought it was okay to get off gross with Allison. Donahue Senator mcmorris Melissa Osborne because is because you know in something in your workplace is acceptable whether it's in the roles or not, you know when something is accepted, and when something is it and if you do something and assume you're not going to have consequences, it's because there's culture there. That says it's acceptable. And it isn't just words. While remember at the protests where there are people carrying Naked Barbie dolls that were supposed to represent Gretchen whitmer. Nobody would do that with a Kendall. Semi Rick Rick Snyder could should be that lucky actually comes pretty hunky. Will have the full speech by AO. See on our website. If you haven't seen it, it's really it's a very remarkable. You'd have to be a fan to appreciate what she said. I'm not her biggest supporter or big booster, but what she said in the way she behaved on the floor of the House of Representatives. I thought was quite remarkable resentment over the governor's use. Use of emergency powers. The health emergency has brought one right wing effort that has a chance of success, a petition drive to repeal the Emergency Powers Act even though the governor's performance has the support of the vast majority of Michigan voters, Republican seal way around the public will collect about four hundred and fifty thousand petition signatures and Jim a veto-proof bill through the legislature. Campaign Committee has been formed to fight that effort the keep Michigan Safe Committee one of the leaders of that group physician and former Republican Congressman Joe. Schwarz Dr Schwartz. What is your boat and try to get this petition overturned I of the courts, and if not in the court, so that the legislature doesn't pass it well, there are several one is a physician I think we have to be very very careful. And If we use Texas and California and Florida's examples, we know we have to be careful in opening things wide right now. The Cobra Virus is very infectious. It's ubiquitous now and we know the effect it can have one on people, especially senior citizens, and now we're seeing it because of some of the inability of some of our youngsters to save that you you really, it's a good idea to wear a mask and end the socially distance. We're seeing it in younger people as well. But this is a worldwide pandemic and I think in many ways because. A lot of Americans. Have never had to go through this before I mean. It's been a hundred years hundred two years since the last pandemic of any kind, really truly pandemic. They don't understand what we're going through. The consequences can be dire i. mean dire enough as it is so what I'm trying to say, come on, let's use our heads. We have the best science in the world. We will come up with ways to defeat this and we will. And I cannot define really, but we will ultimately come up with a vaccine. So let's not get out there and it'd be close to each other. Not Wear Masks. Do all of the things that the reputable? Public Health people epidemiologist. My religious are telling us not to do what they're telling. US is correct, and we should follow their lead as a fishing yourself. There's a perception that only old people are really at risk for this virus, but it would seem especially now what we're seeing in. Florida Texas California that it. Really it's all age groups that are at risk. Oh, yeah, all all age groups are at. At risk, it's just a matter of how it started and where it was introduced. I and of course we know that in the nursing home community there was a tremendous number of cases and fatalities early on in this, and there still are problems, but nothing like they used to be what we are now seeing is because of I think some some lack of of good epidemiological behavior. On the part of young people and you and I understand being young people because I was one. Yeah, once a long time ago, but I look at it and say I just could have been me. It was so many years ago. I might have been doing the same thing. They're exposing themselves because they're not socially distancing. Wearing masks there attending social events like the one in the in the bar up at at at East lansing or the Lake Nona and CASS county. Torch Lake up north the same, and they're not doing any of the things that they have been warned. About been told about time after time after time. And the outcome. In other words the increase in cases in that age group was foretold with that sort of behaviour. And now it's happening okay on the politics of this for this to become law. Basically they have to collect three hundred, forty, thousand plus valid signatures in a relatively short period of time because I want to get to the legislature this year. If this hangs over into next year that I'm sure the conservative Republicans that the at the State House may flip and they won't feel to get past. Even if they get into their in December. By then, should we have this under control as sort of like closing the barn door after the horses out? No then. I mean that's a conservation devoutly to be wished. That we haven't under control in December and perhaps we even have a vaccine by December. That's one thing you could hope for. And that's one thing You keep fighting, keep fighting, keep fighting, but the fact of the matter is for those of us who who take a realistic look at this. You just can't open up willy? Nilly, now you can't do it I would love to have everything open I like nothing more than going to my favorite bar and having a beer and a chili dog I can't do that now. Because I I. Don't man my age I simply don't want to expose myself to the virus, and and all of us equality to the virus. and. We have to think that way. We're not I mean some of us are, but enough of us are not and really got to get the whole. Get Ahold of the situation. It seems to that the long term implications of this really haven't been thought of very seriously because it's not just about this particular situation. This is about the next emergency too well, and there will be another emergency. It will be another emergency I mean. We saw something just last week in the news media. If you read, I would say deeply enough into some articles. There's another virus. It seems to be a rising China. And, who knows what it is and? How how infectious it is, but people should be should be aware of the fact. That especially in these these hugely popular countries like China and India, the chance that a viral disorder or bacterial disorder could come out of those countries. Is there every day? It can happen. And because of international travel, it's not gonNA stay there. It's going to go all over the world. Dr Schwartz Pleasure to talk with you. Thanks so much. Thank you very kindly good to be at the. Right time for some short takes on politics policy. There's an agreement in Lansing on a budget fix for this year. That involves a combination of one time, federal assistance and the State's Rainy Day Fund, so we have a two point two billion dollar problem with our budget. That's just short-term Democrats and the Republicans did come together to negotiate a deal that plugs that whole with funds from federal relief, money and Michigan's Rainy Day Fund. And it includes significant cuts to the state's current budget now. The budget cuts rely on discretionary spending temporary layoff days hiring freezes and federal relief dollars just sort of back. Fill some of those cuts. There's also a net increase to k twelve schools of one hundred seventy five dollars per pupil, which I appreciate. This was a bipartisan deal and I don't know about you. I feel good seeing something positive. Come Out of Lansing and I think that this This budget deal had to be really difficult to to come to you. I will link. A breakdown and other resources on this so people can dig into where these revenues in cuts are coming from, but for once this year and land saying I. I feel like something really good came out of this this terrible thing that's been happening. This is a real good demonstration. Watch great, Deva Governor who spent fourteen years in the legislature, the governor to lead this effort? It was a BI partisan effort to required cooperation on both sides, but the fact that you had somebody leading the talks who's been around longer than anybody else in the talks and has been digging into this for lockdown I think really made a difference, but we've got to remember. This only gets us through September. That's when the budget year ends in beginning October first we are in a deep deep deep hole at if Mitch McConnell doesn't get his out of his turtle shell there and do something in the Senate, to provide relief to all the states we are going to have cuts for the next fiscal year. That starts October first that justify belief, meanwhile, Joe Biden socially distance campaign got a lot of attention in the week as the vice president brought out his most formidable supporter, a fifteen minute online chat with Barack Obama the direct Abe at the character of one Donald J trump, there's two ways in which presidents motivate people. By doing something really. IGNOBLY! Important people go all? Or to do something really bad. This guy has generated a sense out there that people are waking up to that. He ran by deliberately dividing people from the moment he came down that escalator and I think people are now going I. Don't want my kid growing up that way and the thing I've got confidence in Joe is, is your heart and your character, and and the fact that you're going to be able to. Reassemble McConnell government that cares about people and brings people together, and for all the specific policies that we're going to need more than anything. It's just that basic decency and an understanding about what's best in America that I think people are going to be for. kind of says it all. That's really what the campaign is about as much about issues. It's about character and I think the nation is looking for a return to normalcy and a return to decency in the White House is really very reminiscent of the campaign, George. Bush ran in two thousand after all of the sex scandals involving Bill Clinton the nationwide return to decency normalcy, and that's the one thing that George. Bush they thought would would bring to the White House. I guess he did in the family. Since you're looking for family decency, you know that the Donald Trump campaign's going to lean in hard on Biden's integrity. They're already doing it smearing hunters smearing the people around him, but it's not working. It's not take. It's not hold. It's not working which is why is this law and order kick and tried to scare the crap out of white people in the suburbs. That's fish. That's the whole campaign right now. on the Sunday shows. They had their surrogates out there talking basically about this issue and making it sound like the world was on fire. When in fact, portland it was really the bigger problems until the feds came in now, it was actually raining. The numbers are getting smaller and. I didn't follow it that closely, but I didn't get the impression that there is as much violence there as what is being portrayed by the feds so anyway. Let's talk about John James. He has promised to actually talk about some issues, but only if Gary Peters will debate him four times, and he called out Gary Peters Social Media. He said it's time for them to stand side by side to compare records, which to me is hilarious. I don't think they'll be comparing records on anything. Other than maybe military records into be honest. I don't know much about Gary Peters military record because he doesn't use it as a political tool. This is going to be a debate between a guy who knows policy. And another guy who knows? What! Edible agents. After I. would his campaign website again just before we recorded and there's still nothing about issues on that website with the exception of his promise to protect preexisting conditions on her insurance, although he has yet to say how he would do that since he's also for the complete repeal of the affordable care act, so that's the only issue is talked about and just to. To See, how would they would react I went onto their facebook page for the Big John James Support Group and just ask the question very Polish. Look at I respect the men's military history and his back story, and all that but I can't find anything about what he'd actually do as a united. States, senator can refer me to anything the talks about issues. And you would expect a facebook page like that. That's ardent supporters of candidate that I would get flamed right and left. Nobody responded to my question I mean what is there to say, then that pre existing conditions content. Thank you mentioned I. Don't is that in response to that ad about those preexisting conditions, because there's an ad that brings together the information about the ACA that protects preexisting conditions, and then John James Support to repeal the ACA because he calls it a monstrosity that has to go. And it's Ben Somewhat effective. And I'm just wondering if the information on his website was response to that, because if that's the only way to get him to talk about issues, that's. I mean this guy is such a weird candidate man I understand it's because he's caught between trump and really yeah. That's his problem to deal with and so far the only thing he's really showed up with is a helicopter. What's the problem? Republicans have had from the beginning with the ACA. They've been saying for ten years. They wanted to repeal and. And so far all they've done is try to repeal and they've come up with nothing to replace. James also did another interview on Fox. News which seems to be the only place where he'll talk when we look for interviews with Michigan, media or statements on things like the Portland, military occupation or this week's end to federal unemployment benefits for more than one million michiganders and the laws of health insurance coverage for hundreds of thousands of Michiganders'. And they think one thing to mention before we leave. The John Jay segment is that despite the fact that he's been raising more funds each quarter than Gary Peters Gary Peters, still has more cash on hand and Gary Peters has consistently lead in the polls right now are CPI has him at plus ten point one. So Gary Peters out there kicking, but still. Okay well, let's get to one of the leading contenders for dumbest member of the state legislature. I mean there's a lot of competition up Republican boola whatever has introduced legislation to have the state sent in my statement of the damages, cost expenses and other losses. Spurred by the COVID nineteen pandemic to China, so he was a bill China for all of the cost of Covid, saying that it is not a partisan issue that brought cova to the shores of the United States. It was China that did that. This is stupid. And couple of Democrats have signed onto it, and he said it isn't a symbol, but that it would be a good symbol if it was a symbol. He seems to really want to do this. I think is just messing around again, but people have signed onto it. I, think it's only tomorrow racism to actually do something like that. We already have students who are not just from China, but really Asia. The students at the universities here are already experiencing. Racism is certainly isn't China's fault that the virus was as bad as it was in Michigan. I can't believe it. I just can't believe that anybody would introduce something so ridiculous can believe it actually I think China's already angry at us because we sent them Kentucky. Fried Chicken and Taco Bell. In retaliation for that before we get to our political attack of the week, a look back at a recent interview, we talk with the founder of the right way pack, which is working to get Republicans to support Joe Biden. We interviewed former Ohio GOP Chairman Mad Borjas who started that effort. Mister Borges. He got a little problem turns out. He's one of five people indicted in Ohio this last week. In a sixty million dollar bribery scandal, which also involves the Republican speaker of the House. That makes Matt Borjas officially our very first felony. Guest at least as far as we know. Up See. And you know I. Don't even know what to think about that, I. Don't know much about Matt Barges. And I'm certainly not going to wish him well, but. One of the things that I really noticed if you listen to him and you listen to Jeff. Timur the difference in the way that the Republicans are attacking trump in these two different groups where the Lincoln project with. Jeff Timur. Is Just tearing down the House right? Just just trying to Clean House and start over and Matt Borges comes in and says no I want everybody. To be. Reelected all the Republicans to be rocketed except trump as a totally different approach and I thought that that was. One of the most interesting things that came out of that interview was the contrast between the two and probably a conflict that is. Playing out across America with Republicans everywhere now the political tech at of the week. That doesn't even sound like an attack yet, but it really is. It comes from the Joe Biden campaign only today. We're facing serious threat. We have to meet it as one country. Numbers Lie. Infection rates are now going up in more states than they're going down. got a slight this. Where a mass! Keep your distance. Limit the size of crowds. Maybe inconvenient. Maybe uncomfortable. But it's the right thing to do is an American. We need a president who love with the American people. presonal tell us the earn Barney's truth. President take responsibility instead of always blaming others. President listen to the experts. Follow the science. Allow them to speak. President. Be being, example for the nation. We have to do all we can. To keep our fellow, American safe and health. I'm Joe Biden and I approve this. And the polling shows. That's working at messages working because the American people are buying it, it is the reason that Donald. Trump revived the Donald Trump Comedy Hour Aka. Pandemic briefing at least for a while last week. Because he's gotta get a, she's trying to get on top of the issue. The problem is you can't spend your way out of a pandemic. That's already caused a hundred and fifty thousand deaths in the United States about one fourth of all the deaths from the virus in the world have been the United States in Donald. Trump can't escape that fact. Honestly while a is so surreal to me that that man gets up there and talks about the pandemic, and it's the same guy in another interview that brags about his cognitive test where he recognized elephant. I don't understand how we got to this point. It hurts. So many levels person woman man. Camera, idiot. He did the best ever on that on that test so. Michigan's unemployment compensation system has been tested beyond belief more than two million michiganders' have received unemployment benefits during the pandemic. It's been a bumpy ride. An extension of problems that have plagued the US system for several years. Bridge Magazines Jonathan. Opening has done a deep dive into the mess. That is the US system Jonathan. Thank you for joining us on the PODCAST. How much of this problem with the US? System is the result of the unprecedented volume of claims, and how much is the result of for one of a better term preexisting? Preexisting conditions with the system. I don't know if we can quantify exactly. You know what what percentage of the problem is attributable to either of those factors, but certainly it's a combination of both so basically experts. We spoken to court records. We looked at show that in the pandemic has just exposed these long standing flaws in the computer system used by the Michigan, unemployment insurance, agency, known as MIDAS on this is the same system that got the state in a bunch of trouble a few years ago with the. The false fraud scandal and the problem with this system is even according to the director of the unemployment trans- agency it over flags people, so it uses algorithms to detect possible errors or fraud, and it does that at too high of a rate, so a lot of people for instance get these flags called non monetary issues, which means that maybe a record doesn't match up exactly data. You've submitted versus data. Your former employer submitted now that had been happening for years, but suddenly you've got this huge volume of a million people plus. Plus applying for benefits and these non monetary issues started to really happened in a larger volumes, and what happens is when you have one of these issues, then you need to call or go to a Michigan unemployment trends. Agency office, which are closed so because there were so many more of these issues popping up on the website, so many more people had to call the state help line the State Call Center, and that God overwhelmed as well so it's sort of a vicious cycle right that the computer system caused these. People probably at a higher rate than it needed to. And then those people needed to talk to someone at the state which didn't have enough people to handle all of the volumes. What thing that stood out to me and reading your articles and bridge was that maybe the biggest critic of the system is the guy who runs it now, and he is not satisfied in his takeover. SEPE can. How is Steve Gray progressing with fixing this mess? It's been around now for several years. Steve Gray. Advocate. He ran a clinic at the University of Michigan that worked with jobless residents trying to battle the state's unemployment insurance system in that role. He actually helped expose the false fraud scandal between twenty thirteen in two thousand fifteen, the same computer system MIDAS wrongly accused tens of thousands of residents of fraud. audit later revealed it had a ninety seven percent error rate during that time so Steve. Gray actually blew the whistle on this system, you know. He alerted federal officials to problems. Michigan was having that sparked. You know state reviews federal reviews reforms all of the stuff. In. The state did change some things. For instance it now requires a human being to review any accusation of fraud that the computer system makes a but what this eight didn't change is that it's still using the system and as far as we know, it's probably using a lot of those same algorithms still these algorithms are closely guarded secrets neither state, nor the private contractors that built. Built this system? will reveal them, and by the way I think that's a problem for transparency in government so Steve. Gray has come in and he's been on the job about a year. So I don't think anyone expected that he would have completely overhauled the system you know. He was working on some other issues as first year in office, he said in in legislative testimony that he. Talked to staff when he came in and identified, what were the most pressing issues that they had to address in one of them was they overhauled their phone system? knows a process that had already started before Steve Gray came in, but he sought through to completion, and in fact, the state call system had been doing a little bit better prior to the pandemic wait times. Times were down and stuff like that but that all got thrown out the window, and when the record claims started coming in, but you know one thing he didn't do in the during his first year of office was replaced. MIDAS or start to look at other vendors as far as as far as I, know he? You know that the contract is up for renewal. Here in late August and Steve Gray told me that you know if they really wanted to replace it at this point they would have already had. Be Soliciting bids and stuff like that, so they're not likely to replace the vendor, which has fast enterprises at this point, but they are during this pandemic now trying to get a whole bunch of changes made. To address some of the problems that they're experiencing. One of those is flagging for non monetary issues are over flagging street. Gay told me that's something that they've asked minus to make changes on during the pandemic of but a bunch of other technical stuff I mean this whole system. Automates Anatomy findings, but it spits out the notices that are sent to people and you know Steve Gray has said allowed. The system seems to be built with federal compliance and not the user experience. These notices make sure that the state agency is like checking a box, so they won't get in trouble with the Department of Labor, but it sending messages to people that you know like Experts can't even decipher you know. These things are full of Lou. Legal lease and confusing and you know for instance I've used the term. Non Monetary issues like people get that notification. They don't even know what it means. and that's a big problem, so he has been Steve Grey says he's been trying to work with fast enterprises. To make some changes, but acknowledges that there's a lot of big usability issue is that still has to be addressed moving forward. As we record this, the deadline for the current fiscal stimulus is this week. This is the last week that people getting benefits in Michigan for the feds unless Congress takes action. Assuming, Congress does take action. How quickly will the system be able to respond because it's GonNa? Take some reprogramming to take care of the benefits determine. WHO's eligible all over again? Are they ready? For one point? Two million people to have their benefit structure change all at once. Well. That's a good question while two main One thing we haven't touched on yet is the fact that there is a major fraud investigation on minor league detail side. Yet and the state has been trying to tweak the way people apply for this pandemic unemployment assistance over the last several weeks to try and make sure that they do qualify to weed out imposters or people who? Might, not you know necessarily deserve that benefit, but yeah, I mean. Some of the stuff were hearing from Congress. You Know Republicans in particular are concerned that six hundred dollar a week. Peo- a benefit for some people has actually been a pay raise for them, and might deter them from wanting to go back. Act Work when the if if and when they're companies reopen so some Republican lawmakers have talked about this idea of somehow building into this system away to ensure that they can get maybe up to six hundred dollars a week, but not more than they would normally earn. You're right. That would probably require some major reprogramming. Don't know how feasible it would do. It would be to do in Michigan, but one of the issues that Congress has to consider is that every status essentially uses their own system for this? So you know what might be possible in one state might not be possible in another. Jonathan Ocean from Fridge magazine. Thanks as always for joining us. Thanks to all. All right and we're done for the week. For more information on today's subjects head on over to our website. It's Michigan podcasts. Dot Com will have lakes tweets photos. We site all of our sources, so feel free to dig into what we're saying and if disagree. As always where you of your comments, emails at podcast had not mail, dot, com, or reach out through the Michigan pollock has page on facebook or on twitter, and thank you so much for joining us. We will be back in. And Never Forget. Person Woman. Man. Camera TV. They say. A nation heard you that. 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GLP Podcast: Cell-based breast milk; Joe Mercolas awful COVID book; More mRNA drugs coming soon?

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GLP Podcast: Cell-based breast milk; Joe Mercolas awful COVID book; More mRNA drugs coming soon?

"Wash it somewhere sean. Hey everybody welcome to the science facts and fallacies podcast brought to you by the genetic literacy project. I'm your host cameron english. i'm your co host. Kevin fulda professor who cares about science communication. This is the weekly show where we discussed the biggest stories from the genetic literacy project to keep you informed about groundbreaking developments from the worlds of science and medicine and of course help you separate facts from fallacies as you read the headlines. Hey everybody welcome back to the show. Cameron and kevin here has always kevin. What's going on well. Everything's just great. I mean it's a middle of summer. Were getting the funds. Summer rain pattern down here in florida which is fantastic and just you know living the dream getting the teach horticulture during the day and do horticulture at night and on weekends. That's great. I was just telling kevin that i'm really jealous of his residents in rural florida. Because i'm in a big california city it's dry and hot and crowded and As i get older the more the call of nature comes to me. You guys have been especially hot. Haven't you It comes and goes so we get weeklong heat waves where it's one of six or something and Normally that wouldn't be a crisis but we're also in a drought so there's limited water in california and we're too busy building trains that don't go anywhere to do about it. So that's right. And then diverting it from agriculture which is really unfortunate and there's a lot of People should get up to speed on. What's happening in california agriculture with the drought. Maybe we could talk about it here next week. But it's extremely significant. Yeah i'm always. Another factor is the environmental groups. That won't let us building dams or any pipelines and they don't like desalination plants. They don't like anything. They don't like technologies. We've discussed multiple times but yeah no that's really important because there actually a the clackamas river in the northern part of the state comes out of oregon and you can't use any water it At this point because they're protecting the forage for a rare sucker up in the lake that feeds the river system but the river system has been the irrigation for farmers on that plot of land forever after world war two. A huge number of farmers came into that area. And we're all given land Thanks for your service here. Start over and And now they're finding themselves. These families years later not having water to use it. What the grounds traditionally four so. It's a really really amazing story. And maybe we'll talk about it some time. Yeah yeah we should and I think kevin fulton should be our governor instead of gavin newsom. Because he seems to get. Get the problem and delivers from florida. I can do it do it via zoom anyway. Anyway let's jump into our stories and i'll stop babbling. So i up cell based breast milk for mothers and babies inches toward reality next. Dr joseph mccoll war on mainstream medicine his take on. The pandemic is a lucrative conspiratorial dream. And finally the marin a revolution that unleashed co vaccines is just the beginning. Mri technology will be part of medicine and drug we for decades gum. So kevin first up this. I found this particularly interesting given my circumstances but tell us about this first story. That's right because you won't be a big milk producer. So this is an important point There are a lot of reasons why women are unable to breastfeed so the ability to produce milk is something unique to mammals but even more so the female entities of the mammals. And there's a lot of reasons why it just doesn't happen. It's an extremely exquisitely complicated process. That's income that's depends on hormones and tissues and everything Nutrition everything working just right and so there's a lot of things that can happen. That can prevent a lactation from happening properly. And they can be as simple as you know blocked milk ducts other issues but also problems with like the baby just not connecting correctly. Not being able to to draw milk out or or maybe. The mother has pain associated with it. So there's a lot of reasons why it doesn't necessarily work well. There's a company in In california that's come up with a solution and the product is actually called. Oh you know what dismissed the as is called bio milk biao. Am i l q and if it ends in a queue without a you. You know something cool's going on. So bio milk is a artificial milk. And but it's not artificial it's indistinguishable from the real milk because it's produced in what. They call cellular agriculture. They're growing the cells of the that. Line the epithelium of the of the compartments in the in the breast tissue. They're growing those cells in culture providing them with all the things they need to grow and then using the same hormone prophylactic stimulant hormone proacting to generate the production of milk in a petri dish. And then those cells are harvested or the milk has pulled off some hot on. They don't talk about that. But it's essentially a way to make human breast milk outside of the body and then be able to provide human breast milk for the consumption of little for consumption by humans. Yeah it's crazy what we can do with With biology these days one question that occurred to me as i was reading this and they addressed it very briefly but not much detail is. How do you reproduce the the macro nutrient profile of breast milk. Because i know that the cell based meat companies are having trouble with that you know they can more or less. Get something that resembles a stake by using cells from animals right. But they can't. You won't get the same kinds or amounts of fats and proteins that you get from a regular stake so do you have any insight into how. They're trying to address this with breast milk. Well you can come close right because you're still producing the same types of compounds. It's a really complicated solution. Breastmilk is and so you have to be able to think about a. What kind of nutrition is there for those cells in the first place. And what is the media type that helps them make the milk product and milk with a q. And the idea here is you know. Can you come up with something that is identical or as close identical a to the mother. And it's a really brilliant idea. It's a far cry from soy based formula which many mothers have to revert to if they're unable to feed themselves. And so it's it's a really important breakthrough that i think is kind of exciting. Yeah without a doubt. I think it's quite a ways off there still in like like the very early stages it's beyond proof of concept because they can make it but it's nowhere near being commercialized product. I think the plan. If i read this correctly was to make milk for individual mothers right because there's no like like with cows and you're not just taking cells from macau. It's i think the idea is to be. This is yours for your babies. Is that along the lines of what's happening. That's right you could actually be able to customize mother's milk for a child from the mother in the absence of the mother in the absence of the mother and they think this is a lot of roles for potentially for foster children Other children which Find themselves you know without the mother you know. There's a lot of possible these so it's a it's a very very interesting concept in a time when we're seeing more and more of these types of synthesized solutions to important food questions. You know one thing. I hate to be even a little bit critical of something new like this because this is really cool but i noticed in the story. I don't know if the company did this but the story that we that we were talking about they said that p chemicals are commonly found in breast milk and the application is is like well. This is going to you know. This is far safer. And i think that's a bit misleading. Because and we've talked about this before. And i think what you said is that you know detecting a chemical somewhere doesn't mean it's dangerous and so two to to use something like that to promote this product is a little disingenuous and and i see like impossible for all the good they do. They do that so does beyond meat. You know they say things about animal. Agriculture that are really correct because they're trying to sell their product. I get that part but it. It's always kind of bothered me. That they they're like we love genetic engineering. We're champions of science. And then they use these kind of bogus arguments argument. Sometimes so i know you read my mind on this you know. We neglected to say where this was found. This is from green. Queen website bio milk says is successfully produced. The world's first cell culture human breast milk by sally home so anyway i've been forgetting the titles all the time lately but going back to what you're saying it is really disingenuous and has a potential to backfire. That when you say our product is safer because they've identified p. n. breast milk so. Pfa s.'s the one of the chemicals which is associated teflon production that whole thing It is Scotchgard the original scotchgard. This is one of those chemicals and it is persistent. it never goes away and you can detect it at all levels in rivers you can detect it pretty much everywhere but you can detect it in parts per trillion. So it's not biologically relevant but you can find it and it's just because we're really good at finding molecules. That are almost not there. A trillion part per trillion is like a second since before the birth of christ. I mean this is a serious. It's like twenty three hundred years or something one second in twenty three hundred years so it's almost not there yet when you give an expectant mother or mother with a new child. A non zero number for a chemical. That's been associated with cancer and other types of disease. It does raise their eyebrows. Well now one question. I could be wrong on this. But assuming the women who make use of this technology they've probably been exposed to pass chemicals in the past so would the that are being used to produce the milk even if it's in the lab would those potentially have the same concerning chemicals in them or could they could they purify before they produce it. I'm just curious no good question. I think that there are levels. That are likely there but as you you know add nutrient back in and remove things that are resident resident chemistry to the cells. You probably thin it out. Pretty good and as long as it's not coming in with your With your nutrient inputs. Then you probably don't have to worry about that. So i think that there's It is really you know levels of these. Things are so small and i really wish they didn't know there. Yeah yeah and just the final thought. So the american chemical society published a study just last month in may twenty twenty one and they basically said the same thing they're like we're detecting this everywhere but we don't have evidence that it causes any harm and they're overly conservative and they say you know maybe there's some effect we just haven't found it yet. I think people have a tendency to interpret a conservative analysis. Like that as they're saying there probably is evidence. We just haven't found it so i think that's an important qualification. That's right all right. So speaking of people who are not conservative in their analysis. Dr joseph mcculloch. What's going on with this boy. So this is yeah. I know this is this. One is really important because mcculloch. He's an unsinkable. Rubber ducky and this is a guy he'd just because every time he gets pushed under he pops back up and he's had a number of things happen over the years of products he's endorsed or sold that have gotten them in hot water but he's Valued at one hundred million dollars. So there's not a whole lot you can do to change the trajectory of his empire but mccullough he now has moved into publishing books about covid nineteen and this is a report by jonathan jari. Jonathan you know from The mcgill university office of science and society working with joe schwarz and this was published in in genetic literacy project and The important part of this particular article is that reminds us that Mccullough is by. The look of this book is not interested in necessarily in the facts and the evidence is excited the pedal a conspiracy and in the end. It's all about selling book. And he wrote this book with ronnie cummins the with a foreword by john f. kennedy junior. So that's yeah. That's quite dry fact of of pseudoscience and it also reaffirms the relationship between commons and makola which we always knew is pretty solid. Writing commons runs the website organic consumers association. Which has very little to do with organic. Farming is really just an anti bio technology site so anyway The the idea with mccullough's book is it's called the truth about kobe. Nineteen exposing their great reset lockdowns vaccine passports and the new normal why we must unite and a global movement for health and freedom. Currently trending is number one in political freedom category. So yeah i know. And i guess it's not a long book but the basic ideas that they go with the idea that this was engineered in the laboratory that had escaped. And that right now. The it's really just part of a cabal a international movement to sequester all of the world's wealth in the hands of very few and that you know that none of the Vaccines are necessary. Tests aren't necessary that all of it is just a big scam and that apparently according to jerry is the gist of the book. So there's so much talk about here so much to get into. I think that most important thing that i would hope people walk away with is that there are real concerns that need to be addressed about how we handle pandemics in the future. You know we've talked about some of them but one of my favorites is politicians. That flouted their own. Stay at home orders. You know they would give these addresses on tv and they'd say you better stay home sunny. You follow the science you know in the next day. They're out with their buddies at some fancy restaurant. No one else could afford and that they're are not allowed to go to anyway and they're having some fancy french dinner like our governor again. You know so. There's there's real complaints that are totally justified. And then there's examples of some events being called super spreader events while other events were like well. Just be careful if you go where mask and that to me is is frankly outrageous and so all that to say you can criticize that without going. It's a bio weapon. The giannis beta. They're trying to make you a communist like like if anything that makes it harder to address the real issues because it turns into a cartoon you know. Yeah that's and that's that's really. The problem is he. He does have already a substantial listenership readership and folks who follow his guidance. And so this really is just a big effort to expand his Empire he also laces in with the book You know all the things where Here's the things. Modern medicine doesn't want you to know and apparently says that quercetin which is a natural plant compound is a effective preventative and doesn't show any data for this links to a paper that made computer predictions about structures of molecules. And what might work and yet he recommends this and puts this into The book again as part of the the scam right. And what's really funny. Though is that here he will recommend a compound with no good evidence of function against the virus but then we'll denounce vaccination which has been showing great effects against the virus. It just shows that this is completely upside down. Yeah yeah like the vaccine. Clinical trials had thousands upon thousands of people in them. And then of course we have all the real world data and subsequent studies have been done at the interesting thing here for me. Is that people like mccullough and comments. They will live and die by the various database. Which is the federal system that is used to report vaccine adverse events too. So the fda and the cdc can investigate it so this is totally unverified self reported data and the agencies have to investigate it to make sure that it's legitimate and a lotta times they can't because there's not enough information but mccullough will cite that and say look at all of these terrible reactions to the vaccines and then he will dismiss the clinical trials. Because you can't trust pfizer because that's big pharma. You know what i'm saying. So it's a consistent theme of citing bad data when you have way better research available. Drives me insane. Oh yeah and then what's worse is that this brings in so much money and that he has constructed such a massive empire from this kind of dubious work and and when you look at the list of places that he's donated to he's donated three million dollars to the national vaccine information center which is like the place that has crank opinions on vaccines and perpetuates them through very classy looking websites. He donates a fortune to the organic consumers association who donates to us rt. Hey who goes after university researchers for telling the truth about science and so this is where you know the wheels start coming off. What's worse. is that the center for countering digital hate reported that makola was one of the twelve dirty dozen Social media personalities who had spread more than sixty six percent of the false vaccine information so mccullough's spreading false information. He's giving out lots of money. And then according to that that report accepted or took and applied for Over six hundred thousand dollars in ppp money from the government so he is taking your taxpayer money and then using it to finance organizations that are working against public health efforts. I mean this is really bad stuff. Yeah hey really quick if you guys want to learn more about more cola type in anti gmo advocacy funding tracker. You'll find an investigation that the gop did And launched just last year and we have a page on mccullough and specifically he has a foundation. it's called the natural health research foundation. it doesn't have a website. You can just find tax forms online and it just exists for him to funnel money to organic consumers association and then they turn around and they promote his work and they check out this article by mcculloch. And here's some natural substances little help you know beat cancer. Whatever so it drives traffic to his website. And it's like a little. It's a little party that they all got going on. You know and it's like. I think three million dollars a two thousand thirteen you know. It's an absurd but from one guy but this ties in with your article with john. Tynan genetic literacy project about Disinformation feedback loops. And you see this more and more common that you have folks like mccullough financing may who writes about how a supplement that mcculloch cells has benefit and don't trust the scientists who say otherwise and then they pay you takeda right while the scientists were criticizing coal is compound are all corrupt liars. So they build these articles within their own silo that and then site each other and it looks like independent sources when really. They're all connected at the wallet and when you And what's even worse is Sometimes they will site work in some entity associated with them Whether it's the guy or the woman. I'm not gonna say their names who have worked for legitimate news or Outlets are have published in legitimate outlets. They'll say well according to reuters or according to the the progressive and these are legitimate sources. Who have given the stage to a bad actor. And they won't name the bad actor because everybody knows the bad actors bad actor and is a bad actor when you google their name but they'll use legitimate news sources to put a halo on their lousy claims and all this intricate feedback loop of bad information. Yeah kevin even. The new england journal of medicine says glyphosate causes cancer. You know. don't get me started but this is this is a great example and but it's it is. It is so amazing that this kind of thing exists but the good news that it's been illuminated over and over again that these are all interconnected disinformation networks in the more that we talk about it in the more people. Do you know look at it. The more amazing gets and maybe just having these discussions will help insulate others from falling for something. Yes oh and a final thing The foundation of mcculloch's argument is this event to a one exercise that was at johns hopkins university last several years ago. Now but i wrote a story about it for the american council on science and we talked about it on this podcast and they were trying to spend the fact that you had Like wealthy nonprofit groups and you had government agencies trying to prepare for a pandemic and they spun that as look they knew it was coming. It's like no. They didn't know it was coming. They're saying we need to get medicines from here to there and we need to get Ppe from there that kind of thing you know. So they're just trying to prepare for it and if they didn't do that and this thing happened and of course the response was insufficient many ways but if they did no preparation these same schmucks would be saying. You didn't do anything you know. This is outrageous. You know heads. I win tails you lose situation. Yeah the the next pandemic is always coming. I mean you know until it's here behind you. It's always in the future and you don't know what it is and so you got to prepare for it and i think that that's one of the things we've really learned from this Exercise the last year and a half is that it's gonna take a lot more to prepare for the next one of these things especially since fifty percent of the nation thinks it's a joke and if the next one comes along and has significantly more mortality or transmissibility and those are the signals. Were getting up front. You know something like moore's You'll see a lot of people just disregarding everything so we need a good dose of education and conditioning long before that next one gets here. Let alone p and distribution channels. Yeah absolutely okay. Well something slightly more positive than that is the amarna biotechnology revolution kevin's oats television. I made that nice like Sound this is this. You know. I can't tell you how happy this makes me because growing up as a molecular biologist since i was a little kid M arnie has been in my lexicon. And the fact that i'm seeing this showing up everywhere i see people talking about him are a you know i go to the the little bumpy hillbilly bar down the street here and talking about 'em r. A i mean when. I never thought i'd see the day so this is a really exciting thing for me. But what's really cool about this. Is that really. The i m are a based therapeutics. The idea really started in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine when you could inject the marnie so so marnie is a copy of the genetic blueprint in dna only for one gene. So dna is the master blueprint for all genes. Amarna is a little copy of that. A transient little copy. Think of it that. If the dna in the center of the nucleus is hard drive that this is a usb drive. Small transient contains only a subset of the information of the whole drive. So this is why are a works. Mr a back then. A nineteen eighty-nine nine. They took the rene that encoded the enzyme that made firefly luciferian so which is the enzyme. Which does some catalytic events too 'cause the yellow glow and if you injected that with the appropriate reagents under the skin of a rat you could create these glowing region lesions. So what it said was the cells. Were taking up that little molecular hard drive and using that information to synthesize the information on it. I neglected mentioned the name of the article. It was the amarna. Biotechnology revolution unleashed by the covid. Vaccine breakthrough is just beginning. And this is by by megi fox at cnn. And what she goes through his takes us a technology that started way back in eighty nine and talks about some of its future applications. And the one thing. I just wanted to mention really quickly is dr catalin car. Aeko who never gets the credit she deserves. Who had these ideas back in the early nineties late. Eighties of injecting the amarna. And letting the cell make the protein that would be the antigen and she worked through the hard parts With a with a the guy. I don't knows first. Name weizman. At penn penn state and all of this came together You know in the in the two thousands and really started to be moving towards vaccine production in the two thousand teens and the number of company started working in this area so there's a lot of players in the space corona virus Sars kobe to is the big success story. We talked about this months ago now. But can you just refresh people's memory because once the genome of sars see of you to was released that the the basic the basic elements of the vaccine were developed within weeks. And i think that illustrates just how powerful this technology could be in a different context. So tell us a little bit about that. Just as a recap yeah. That's really important. Is that once. You have the sequence of a new threat you can now develop an marin a vaccine against it that is because normal vaccines come from the protein itself. Which would mean you'd have to isolate that protein develop protocols for making more of that I that virus. You would have to develop protocols to make more of that virus to purify and genyk proteins to test to make sure that proteins didn't cause other antigen effects or what they call enhancement. There's a whole bunch of different things that you have to worry about when you're using a traditional virus base or protein inactivated virus or protein based vaccine amarna. You don't have to worry about that nearly as much. Because it encodes one antigen rather than the handful of antigens that could come through a virus based vaccine so. This is a really great idea for being able to respond to a new threat. Fast and history will show. This was a monumental example of what we can do in science when we really want to get it done. Yeah it really is incredible. And the number of therapies. That are working on. It's just it's kind of staggering. You know. I don't mean to be such a fan boy but it is really cool and one that stands out to me is a universal flu vaccine. So i think the idea would be you. You take the the blueprint as you put it for some part of a flu virus that doesn't mutate every season. And then you put that in the vaccine and then that becomes the thing that protects you from a wide variety of flu strains out basically how that would work. That's right there's there's different features of flu vaccines of the influenza virus influenza a Such as a stock protein some other proteins at where you could design a universal epoc or universal Could serve as a universal signature. Four immune reaction lose my jargon there and those are those have been targets for years but they don't work really well through protein intermediates and maybe are is the way to go very very cool now. There's some other ones they're working on. I mean they're talking about we've talked about cancer vaccines but they're talking about doing customized cancer vaccines this way. They're talking about a potential shot for hiv kinds of stuff. So can you. Can you go through a couple of the ones that stuck out to you. Yeah some of the really important ones are the respiratory since intitial virus which this is a disease that affects children and the elderly And it causes a significant number of deaths every year in children and an old folks but it was very difficult to design a good vaccine against this and this was an example of every vaccine they would generate caused this Enhancement effect meaning. It caused an immune response that later when the virus came along made a lead to kind of a critical immune response and excited the immune system. A little too much and led to problems so this same approach with marnie looks much better. There's ones against cancers targeting specific genes which we know are important in cell replication angiogenesis. Things like that There's a lot of interesting ones that are there and let me go back into jargon. Is that again. That are are necessary for blood. Supply to new tumor tissue so They're even talked about in. This article sickle cell disease. Which i don't know exactly how well that would work at the look at one. That's new to me but the one that is really old to me is still fibrosis. And cystic fibrosis is caused by a defect in a gene called the cystic fibrosis. Trans membrane conduct regulator and so naro narcissistic fibrosis is when get it. I made a mistake. They're funny narcissistic fibrosis. Cystic fibrosis it. Causes a a breakdown in the epithelium of along so the cells that line. The lungs don't do their job exactly right. And it's a very simple mutation that causes it and to be able to deliver the correct gene in a nebulizer form so being able to just take the puffer and breathe it in and have those cells treated with that new copy of the gene that maybe it could help. Limit the problems that come from Accumulation of excess mucus during sick by bros. So that seems to be a real promising one. And and when i get pretty excited heads very very cool stuff. You know not to again not to be a fan boy. But it's cool. This is this is what scientists about one thing. That just occurred to me. There's this guy he's been he's been bantered about by the anti vaccine crowd is named dr robert malone and they're they're pitching him as one of the inventors of mr vaccines. He's been very critical of the koga shots. Are you familiar with this at all. I don't know him at all. Okay well maybe we'll talk about another day. I'm just curious because this is like one of their hostile witness kind of people that like look even the guy that made. It doesn't like it and like that sounds kind of weird so anyway technologies that you know. That's the problem. Yeah and they do that with the anti gmo thing to their former. Monsanto scientists tells all and then you see what he says it's just fluff but you know whatever Who you fallen on twitter. This week kevin. Yes i'd recommend. Following the mcgill office mcgill university of science and society so there at mc gill mcg. I l l sos and there. You can read work by jonathan jerry. The guy who we talked about at the beginning also links to his other podcasts body of evidence and always the work by doctor. Dr l. said schommer cola. Oh my gosh. Dr joe schwarz. He is as much as a hero as mccullough is zero and definitely worth a follow. Yes absolutely well. Let me recommend a been going extra nerdy with my recommendations these last few weeks but who cares. It's the science podcast. So i'm gonna recommend people follow. Trevor charles. he is a chemist does a lot of work with different pesticides and their impact on soil. He's been really helpful to me with some of my stories about glyphosate but at trevor charles microbial microbiologist. Excuse me at waterloo. That's right yeah anyway. Really great guy and i get. I got to meet them in person a few times and i always really enjoyed the time with them. He's a super nice guy and and also very active on social media. So that's a great recommendation. Yeah there was one time. I was asking him about the something about how much glyphosate ends up in soil and he was on the train and he was doing the math on the train. I was asking him questions on twitter. You know so he's great. He's great he'll he'll take time out of his busy schedule to talk to you so so yeah absolutely. 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Trump is horrible and had a horrible week.  Susan Anderson and the big Blue Brigades GOTV

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Trump is horrible and had a horrible week. Susan Anderson and the big Blue Brigades GOTV

"The presenting underwriter of the Michigan podcast is progress Michigan providing a strong credible voice that holds public officials had government accountable and assists in the promotion of progressive? Ideas. Intentionally vote twice, not just in the state of Michigan in any state in the union. Yes. That's illegal is both a stay Valentine's a four year against and is also a federal family five zero finance Mr Law and order himself. Donald. John Trump urges Americans to attempt voter fraud in Michigan's attorney general is one who suggests that could put you in prison. It was part of a very, very bad week politically for Donald trump trump move from one to the next while Joe Biden was broadening his coalition with endorsements from law enforcement, more big-name Republicans, Nobel laureate scientists, and even mega megatrend. This is the Michigan polly casserole about Michigan Policy and politics and the national currency impacting our pleasant peninsulas fifty eight days before the election I'm all sort. And Christine. Bury. The governor okays the reopening of. A. Public Swimming Pools Michigan's unemployed getting short term financial boosts. This Week Michigan Democrats get ready for a unique virtual get out vote spectacular and in the US Senate race both candidates say Gary Peters is the underdog although the polling shows a consistent peters lead. We are less than three weeks away from the start of voting in Michigan absentee ballots go into the Mail on September twenty fourth and despite the advice that we're all getting from the orange menace voting twice is not a good idea attorney general nestle says anyone who tries to get caught and they will regret it. It just does the seeds of of confusion. In order to make these kinds of statements in worse really what it's doing is it's incentivizing people to commit crimes. So you really follow the advice of this president at your own risk could potentially end up. With a felony conviction and doing jail time. Well trump's recommendation that voters commit a felony by voting twice was just a small part of what's a really bad week for him. In the last seven days, he has denied that he's had a series of mini strokes that led to the emergency visit to Walter Reed Medical, center. He's had a book released lifting the curtain concealing potential criminal conduct by him and his wife, and the one hundred million dollar inauguration. We've seen polling numbers nationwide showing he's not making any headway and trying to catch Joe. Biden there had been two other tell all books release to one by The New York Times Michael Schmidt the latest from his longtime personal attorney. Michael Cohen Cohen. Describes his Criminal Co conspirator former client as a cheat Aligarh a fraud, a bully, a racist, a Predator and a conman. And Walt potentially most damaging of all a report in the Atlantic by Jeffrey Goldberg detailing. Trump's utter contempt for the military and in particular those who lost their lives in defense of the nation. Now trump vehemently denied that story, but it was backed up by multiple news outlets even Fox News confirmed it former Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm response was typical of the firestorm trump has been scamming about his so-called love for the military for years. Now, we have the receipts when he denies this this past twenty, four hours, he denies calling John McCain, loser, we have the tape when he says, he respects the military. We now have witnesses who are coming forward to show us how he truly thinks but don't look at his words look at his actions I mean he has called vets, suckers and losers. Over time, he doesn't want wounded vets in parades. Nobody wants to see that you won't protect our soldiers from Putin's bounties. He won't even raise the subject with Putin. He blasted top military generals is a bunch of dopes and babies attacks. Gold Star, CON family. Obviously, he's been attacking McCain. He's abandoned our military allies like the Kurds against the advice of military experts not to mention his slavish devotion to dictators that we have. been our enemies like and Kim Jong UN he cuts the stars and Stripes, but immediately turns around and reinstated because of the backlash he's pardoning people who've been convicted war criminals against the general's advice is using the military's props for his political sense we go on and on she did Guan she's kind of pissed off about the whole thing is we're a lot of people trump has done so many things over his almost four years as president, and before that this is the one that I think may finally stick in May, he will always bought them out at that. That base of I mean he's got to have at least thirty five to forty percent where they will just not believe it. They just won't believe that he said these things they'll think it's fake news and it's the big. Democrat Cabal and I don't know. So. You know the thing is though. For. For people like you know meanwhile I keep thinking he's hit rock bottom with some of these things that he does and then it's like he digs sticks feet more and there's another thing that he says and this this thing about the troops is is almost unbelievable but I do believe it because it's on brand for trump losers and suckers how they didn't get anything out of it. I mean that's the way that he approaches the world, right? What do I get out of this? One of the things that was mentioned I think Rachel maddow brought. Up In her interview with Mary trump the niece was that this came long before the revelations in the Goldberg article was that trump had told his kids if they enlisted in the military disinherit them, he did not want them to be suckers and losers and joined the military and he was going to back that up with his money. So his attitude was longstanding towards military service. His problem with now is calling this fake news. Yeah. A lot of people will still believe it's fake news, but he is the boy who cried wolf everything is fake news. And after four years of screaming fake news, Fake News Fake News, this is so keeping with his character that it's very easy for the people in the middle ten percent that haven't made up their mind to accept it and I think this is probably one of those golden rails that you just don't touch politically just like social security and Medicare are things. You just don't want to mess with you don't WanNa screw with our military veterans well, and certainly not the people who've. Lost their lives and I. Remember when he was campaigning in, he said about John McCain like people who didn't get captured. Using that was offensive but people were like, well, that's just his crappy personality and you know John McCain was alive then and on and on. But then you saw him skip the cemetery visit and do a few other things that like governor Granholm said you know just walk away from our allies. That kind of thing, and and so you're starting to think, okay this guy who's really not as big on the troops. As he wants to say is as he wants you to think he is, and then you hear this and that might be the final Straw. Okay. I have these other examples of things that he said and done that make me believe this while he's also had two generals in his immediate circle one who came out against him and that was General Mattis who is the Secretary of Defense does rolled out incredible criticism of in publicly but also John Kelly who hot of these latest charges about the? You get the troops in Kelly hasn't said a word. He's got the military ethos that you do not speak publicly ill of the chain of command, but he's not defending the chain of command either. So I think it's probably is major major league bed news for trump couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Public policy polling a new poll out it's the the latest numbers from Michigan and it's a it's a fairly comprehensive poll. They surveyed eight hundred, Ninety, seven Michigan voters during August, Twenty, eighth and twenty nine. So the number of fairly current and the numbers really aren't changing a whole lot of trump's job performance his his approval rating is upside down forty, four approved fifty three disapprove Biden is. Fifty basically forty, five, forty, six, or his favorable unfavorable, which is a lot better than Hillary Clinton was at this point in the Campaign Governor Whitman's job performance on the other hand, very popular fifty, five, thirty, nine, six, percent undecided, and given all of the very controversial thing she said to do with Covid nineteen that's a pretty remarkable number. It really is it's really impressive and if you look at the not sure on that, it's six percent that's pretty low number. Of people have decided, they either supported or they don't and only thirty nine percent have disapproved on her. A little a little worrying for Democrats however is the matchup for president on the vote and right now, the poll shows that Biden Forty, eight, forty four with another seven percent going to other candidates or undecided. At this point. I find that number a little bit too tight but that's they could be problematic especially for Gary. Peters is probably going to run behind Joe Biden a little bit at least in the election. Of the however, the the numbers for the Senate race show Peters on top forty, seven, thirty nine, which is where it's been all along at. That's about where it has been and he's you know he's been rolling out his ads and I i. think he's looking pretty good you. I'd mentioned though about the survey that it was taken before Donald Trump's really bad week. So I don't know that Joe Biden and Donald Trump quite that tight i. if it was taken today, we knew it would tighten up after the convention though you know we knew that Joe Biden wouldn't hold ten plus points on Donald Trump the whole season. The other numbers that I found especially interesting in very problematic is that most people when asked about who they would support for the Vision Supreme Court which is a very important election. Most people were not sure seventy six percent unsure of the candidates of the leading candidate with eight percent was the chief justice bridget Mary. McCormack. And she has the advantage on the ballot. You'll appear as Bridget Mary McCormack Justices Supreme Court she'll have the designation that is almost automatic reelection for once you get past her. All over the place. Between the other candidates who have no party identification no labels are running on a nonpartisan ballot. So. That's going to require some real effort on the part of both political parties of the Republicans are really going to be pushing. Mary Kelly because she's got a great name. Irish names always work well, when running for judge and for the Democrats Elizabeth well to the attorney out of grand rapids guests a couple of weeks ago. Yeah. She she's at two percent there she really needs to. We've gotTA move those numbers. Yeah. They're just everybody a two percent five, percent three percent. Basically it was I. don't know was the answer and people are probably going to be looking to their friends to their their influence network. At. The last second to figure out who to vote for what is interesting though because we are mostly going to be mailing at our dining room tables. Instead of a the the polls people will have time to do some research. And a lot of people will probably go online and find out who the hell are these people. I don't know what kind of impact that will have but at least people build to make a little bit more informed vote yeah. I think the county parties need to start getting their Their voting cards out now or they're voting guides whatever you WANNA call it that they they hand out and they say he's are supported candidates because at this point in Michigan, you should have all of those candidates identified primaries are over we've had our endorsements. So at this point, we should be able to sit down and say, okay, you know show Ozzy County. Democratic Party. Endorses these candidates and however it is you get those out into the hands of your voters. You have to do it much earlier. This year than you've had to in the past because people are going to start voting pretty soon to push your million them, which should be the other challenge to couple other findings in the poll will have the link to the full poll on site, of course, seventy percent support for mandatory masks for people who are in indoor facilities, businesses, government buildings in Grocery Stores Seventy percent support twenty, five percent opposed while to twenty, five percent off allowed, and then the governor's getting pretty strong approval on. Her handling of the pandemic and majority opposed the idea of taking away her emergency power. So she can continue to her job, the opposition to this petition drive, which is led by Mike Shirke. The Senate Majority Leader Fifty, three percent oppose thirty, six, percent support, and given the strange way Michigan's constitution is set up even though most of the people don't want this thing, a minority of voters in Michigan can make this happen because they've got a cooperative legislature and I think that's why we're seeing all of these people come out and say be careful what you sign because you being lied to about what these these petitions are. The Michigan numbers are just beginning of the good news for Joe, Biden. Over the last few days some high profile Michigan Republicans are riding with Biden including former governor Rick Snyder. Former. County Congressman David Trott and longtime GOP operative Bob'll brandt another former member of Congress Joe Schwarz had endorsed Biden and former Michigan Republican Party Executive Director Jeff Timor is one of the leaders of the Anti Trump Lincoln project. I'm really fascinated by the disconnect between the traditional leaders of the Republican Party not just in Michigan but nationally and the rank and file. You would think with all of these Republican leaders you know people like John Casick and Rick. Snyder. Endorsing Joe Biden, that more Republicans would be following yet, the polling shows Donald Trump maintains very, very high approval amongst Republican voters. And I think it's really is assigned the Republican. Party is no longer a Republican Party. It is the trump party. Well, I think that the started actually when w was in office and you started to see a lot of people a lot more people identify as libertarian rather than Republican or independent, rather than Republican and a lot of the right wing media including Fox News has convinced Republican. Voters that they are independence and so they've sort of embraced this identity other than being part of the Republican Party and so what I'm getting at here s what you have left is the Cesspool of crap that does support trump because he gets you know he he makes them feel that nationalist pride you know he he lets them. He lets them be who they are, which is garbage. In the last couple of weeks, Joe Biden Biden's would rolling out these long lists of very respected people that are endorsing him were not lifelong Democrats a list of more than one hundred. Nobel science laureates So top scientists in the country, a list of I think it was one hundred and hundred and ten former state attorneys general. On, the list and law enforcement people a hundred ninety law enforcement officials from around the country, the list go on and on and on and on. Although I think one of the best lists He may have come out with is appealing to people who don't care about politics but really are obsessed with football that a conference call a few days ago rolling out a couple of NFL alumni to land based the president for effectively destroyed the prospect. Of College football this month in the state of Michigan and if there's one thing you can do in. Michigan to Piss people off get rid of Michigan and Michigan State football in the fall. That's what's happened. One of the people on that calls a former Michigan State football player. Now, a state representative from Detroit Joe Tate who also played for a couple of years in the NFL there's certainly no playbook for the unprecedented moment we found ourselves in. But there's also excuse for the failed leadership we found in the White House instead of leading, by example, Donald Trump has denied science ignored experts and lied for the sake of his own re-election. Instead of helping governor and Lieutenant Governor tackle our public health crisis trump has attacked our leaders muffled the opinions of experts and undermine social distance safety measures and to really drive home. The point tate was joined on the Catherine's call by the legendary mega tron former Detroit lions, all pro wide receiver Calvin, Johnson? I'm from the South Georgia? You know everything is football. You know it's the same up here in. Michigan and even more. So now that I have business across the state of Michigan lasting in house analysis, particular small town just like seven eight miles north or South in that town. But you said rise on commerce from people that traveled in and out of a of son of Michigan going into Notre Dame gays people data coming on through lansing, going to on this day gangs, but as numerous tax dollars that. Can't be reappropriated to citizens of of the states you know leadership in Michigan Governor. Gresham took it seriously from day one locking things down saving lives you go only but wonder what if we had done the same with the federal response? What if you know we had a leader by example that wears his mess. You know that previous social distancing and believes in the side I think the power of football. Movie, talking about a little bit later with the governor's Lynch executive order. The fact that she's allowing high school football to be played. Again even though I think deep down there, some doubts about whether that's a good idea. But the power of football is such that people are willing to take risks there. They won't take elsewhere and there's a lot of pressure to even get the big ten going again well, the. I know with the. High School football anyway that high schools are working with the local health department. So there is some safety there in that the local health department I I think if I'm understanding correctly, the health departments can say. No you. Can't do that even if the schools want to. Go to the kids go to wear face vans while they're playing football. Good luck. Well, there's a lot of rules that they have to follow not just how they conduct themselves but in the The cleaning and disinfecting and sanitizing of all of the equipment and the spaces there and I think it's going to be very difficult i. mean just a simple things while like don't share a towel. Like yeah. It's because we're grownups it's gross but if you're an athlete, you share towels all the time. Yeah we've got a towel and. A huge financial issue for college out. We've talked about it before. But for East Lansing Kalamazoo MT pleasant, and are especially Ann. Arbor, you're talking tens of millions of dollars for the local economy university. Michigan. Estimating one hundred, million dollar hit just to the athletic department and on top of that all of the local businesses in East Lansing, Bill Beekman the athletic director, Michigan. State says the university will take about an eighty million dollar hit by not having football add to that all of the bars and restaurants and hotels and everything else in east lansing that are going to business and it is a massive massive issue especially with towns that are really small East Lansing and Ann. Arbor exists because the universities. Yup and even the little towns outside of these university towns have businesses that rely on that traffic going through kind of like quick Calvin Johnson side. You know it's you need the transit back and forth between these things that we can't do anymore and one of the things that I appreciated about how Calvin Johnson spoke was that he spoke as a small businessman he obviously understands. Football in the football economy. But he spoke from the perspective of needing people to go back and forth and he didn't endorse by he just talked about the response to the virus and I thought that that was important as well as kind of. Insights him from criticism as Biden supporter. Maybe you talk about the outlying towns with these colleges I used to travel with the Michigan State football team back in the previous career, and if we went to Notre Dame for a football game, the team would actually stay in bed and harbor because that was the closest where we had a hotel rooms because the hotels closer to south bend were booked solid. Well, the president is providing one form of leadership that Shebek fire on him in a time of racial unrest and protests he calling for an end to federal programs that promote racial harmony. So what he's done as he just decided to cancel any federal programs that address racial sensitivity that may say that America has a problem with stomach racism. In particular white privilege and critical race theory those things are being targeted in this. You know they're in the memo that went out from the Office of Management and budget they call these racial sits tippety trainings, divisive and un-american. This goes completely against what all of the big companies are doing. You can look at Fortune Five, hundred, fortune one hundred. You know Silicon Valley all of the big companies or the startups they're all talking about okay. How can we heal people? How can we make this better and they're having listening sessions and they're having consultants come in and say help us understand how are black employees and do better in our company help us understand how they're discriminated against. So this president who is supposed to be this businessman is doing something that is totally against what all the. All of Corporate America is doing right now. I, don't normally follow corporate America as like a moral leader like. Out There they provide moral leadership. But certainly, in this case, they're doing the right thing over what the president is doing promos. This whole thing is the result of a segment on Fox News that the president saw, which also told you about everything you need to know about how he wrote the government. Well. The age of course nineteen has changed the dynamics of political campaigns. Traditionally, politics has been face to face proposition, but that has been turned on its head by the pandemic despite the risks Republicans in Michigan, ramping up the traditional door to door canvassing while Democrats are focused on virtual campaigning. The latter worked well for the National Convention and now as being emulated by a grassroots group of the Blooberg Eight, which putting together a two hour on online get out the vote rally, which debuts next Saturday. The organizer behind the event is Blue Brigade founder Susan Birdman Anderson who talked with Walt about their all star event Susan. First of all, what is the blooper? Gade? Where did that come about? The Bluebird Gade is a group of. Individuals mostly women mostly older, but we do have some younger people and some men who are committed to getting better government. Activation. So, Blue Brigade is presented with through different politicians, etcetera opportunities to help out, and we've got a pretty good track record. We have helped allowed people get on the ballot get elected. So. That's what we do in the beginning. The Blue Brigade spent a lot of time doing person to person campaigning. You're collecting signatures on petitions, canvassing those sorts of things. Obviously that's not the of thing you could do. Now she came up with this twenty-first-century get out the vote opportunity something that's ever been done before exactly. What are you doing? What we're doing is pulling together a virtual will get out the vote rally and while you're absolutely right we Do Person to person in this is in lieu of that this got born in my brain during the lockdown. When I thought Oh my God we've been working toward this massive. Get out the vote effort all winter trying to get people trying to do it and book we can't go anywhere. So I figured if we could pull together. People that needed a lot of help people that were in swing districts people that may be statewide like Gary Peters that need to have their faces out there and put them together into a rally with music. that. Maybe we could sway some people. Maybe we could motivate some people to vote. You've basically put together a two hour event that will be streamed on September twelfth, and you've put together an all star line-up for this event who's in it Gretchen? Weber governor. Whitmer. Attorney. General Dana Nessel Senator Gary Peter Senator, Debbie stabber now congresswoman lists slatkin congresswoman Hayley Stevens. Congressional candidates, John Hold -Ly Dana Ferguson Hillary Skull Jn, and a number of others including bridget Mary. McCormack chief justice of the Supreme Court who's running to retain her seat and candidate for Supreme Court Elizabeth Welsh. In addition to that, we have thirteen a state representatives we are trying to flip. The House the State House so that other governor has somebody to work with instead of the opposition even over keeping us safe that she has faced in addition to that, we have at least ten US editions and the musicians. Most of them have written songs specifically for this get-out-the-vote rally and the quality of the musicians is high we have everybody from. Our local wonderful route Dr to Joshua Davis who was a finalist on the voice. To Sunny Wilkinson who is a supreme wonderful jazz musician we also have Ben and Jerry the ice cream guys ben and Jerry were big Bernie supporters and they want everyone to know that they endorsing what? To win. And we have Robert Reich. The former Labor Secretary of Bill Clinton who has been doing a lot of podcasts and things trying to get people to change what's going on. It's a very good shot that Vice President Biden will be on this. We're very close to getting him that will be about it with him without him. We've got a wonderful program. One of the things that the media's noticed recently in the run, some articles in the paper had been the different approaches towards campaigning as a result pandemic. Republicans are doing a lot of door to door works still even though some would say that's kind of dangerous in the seer of the virus and Democrats have focused more and more with the online contact you comfortable with the way things are going I think so. One of the other things the Blue Brigade is doing is we are doing literature drops for various candidates. We're doing phone calling for them and. A couple of the candidates are doing what they call safe daughter door. Now, I haven't been trained in that. So I'm not sure what that entails I. Myself wouldn't want to open the door to someone with a mask on I. also wouldn't want to open up the door to somebody without a mascot and Even though some of the politicians are doing it I think virtual and non contact is the way to go in pandemic. As you watch the democratic, national, Convention, did you pick up some tips on how to make your event work? Better I thought it looked pretty good and I hope that Marty I am not technician I. Don't know what what I doing in that regard. We have a wonderful technical director named Marty Weaver and I am sure that Marty watched it. He has been watching other virtual. Transmissions and I think that we will have a good program. I'm sure he'll do his best for everybody who wants to watch this first of all there's no cost to watch it. This is a get out the vote rallies. So there there is no cost. How can they watch it? They can go to vote Michigan Dot, com vote Michigan Rally Dot, com, that's our web page. There will be a hot link on that day to the webpage. They should also go on the web page because it will tell you a lot more about the rally than I have just said, I. Do want to say one more thing about the content of the rally we have two clerks, a county clerk in a city clerk Barra from. And Chris swope from Lansing who are going to talk about the safest way to vote under the circumstances. The website also has links to registering vote. So this thing is although we are highlighting. A. Hundred Percent Democratic candidates. This is Heidi. Vote Get out the vote by all means do do vote and here we can help you with that. And your event just before the absentee ballots go into the mill for the first time. That is true. It's September twelfth, which is Saturday at six PM to eight. PM, one other thing about the event is it will be available until November third it won't be as exciting as watching it the first time. But if somebody misses it, they'll be able to pick it up on Youtube and facebook one other place to look or read if you want to register which will help us a little bit is to go to the women's March Lansing facebook page and on that age you have an opportunity to sign up or say interested or not coming to a screen at near you on September Twelfth Susan. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you very much walked. Yes the gyms are reopening this week. Governor. Whitman has adjusted her executive orders to allow the reopening of gyms and pools effective on Wednesday shall relax the restrictions on competitive sports and the Michigan High School Athletic Association immediately announced the return of high school football beginning next week. It's up to each school district to decide whether to take part in what will be shortened season. Well, let me put you on the spot right away. You're on the school board in your community you can have football we the last that I was informed actually we were waiting for our attorneys. To get back to our athletic director, all the Clutch Cup. Yeah, we built the lawyers talk I find it interesting as we mentioned earlier in the PA, the athletes are going to have to wear face masks when they are competing I can't imagine running cross country or playing basketball or playing football worrying facemask. It's hard enough as walking with that extra impediment to your breathing on and it's going to be the only thing. You don't have to wear face masks for swimming, which makes a whole lot of sense or for sports we are socially distance like Golfer tennis. But for the up close context for which there actually recommend you don't do but you can do it if your local school board wants to go ahead and do it. It's going to be if he's going to be an interesting experiment I, think the governor was basically giving into just huge political pressure she had to give somewhere. So she basically handed this went off to people like you the local school board. Yeah, and I think that's fine because there are different conditions in different counties and so. She's taking step. In recognizing that the local health departments which have had a lot of control. And have worked a lot with the public schools. Now, go ahead and elect them with the schools to make a decision on this. She doesn't have to control this at the state level and I'm personally excited that the swimming pools are open because that is my primary form of exercise although I'm waiting to see just how the Ymca and my case handles the situation. 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Podcast: EU food retailers dont want CRISPR crops; Glyphosate threatens insects? Gene editing may fight high cholesterol

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Podcast: EU food retailers dont want CRISPR crops; Glyphosate threatens insects? Gene editing may fight high cholesterol

"Wash it somewhere sean. Hey everybody welcome to the science facts and fallacies podcast brought to you by the genetic literacy project. i'm your host cameron english and i'm your co host. Kevin fulda professor who cares about science communication. This is the weekly show where we discussed the biggest stories from the genetic literacy project to keep you informed about groundbreaking developments from the worlds of science and medicine and of course help you separate facts from fallacies as you read the headlines everybody. Welcome back to the show. Cameron and kevin here as always kevin. What's going on. Oh nothing just having fun dealing with antibac- sers because as people receive vaccines and diseases. Go away they tend to get a little. Ornery had an exchange couple months ago. Where i said you know my my wife's pregnant. She got vaccinated and they're like woke. Good luck with that man. You know she's gonna fall over dead and then three weeks later. I went back to the thread. And i said okay. She's doing fine and no replies. Well well you know the long term effects like sometime when she's almost one hundred she's gonna die from it. I mean it's all that same rhetoric that was used around genetic engineering anglo saint and in microwave ovens for that matter you know we don't know the long term effects so we probably shouldn't use it. Yeah yeah she got the vaccine in the damn sixty years later toast anyway. That's ridiculous we're being ridiculous this day but it's okay. Let's let's jump into our story. So i step should. Food derived from crisper edited seeds. Be labeled gmo. A lot of food retailers in europe. Say yes and this could actually prevent use of the technology over in the u next up. Glyphosate is great at killing weeds but there are now some concerns that could damage the microbiome of many insects both beneficial and harmful and then finally dangerously high. Cholesterol may be treatable with crisper gene. Editing and a new study in monkeys. Lend some support to this possibility. So kevin i talk about. Crisper edited seeds being gmo. Yeah this is a really important story. Because the long term implications of decisions being made in the eu could have profound effects on the eu farmers and eu consumers. And what it boils down to. And i think the more you learn about this the more clear it is that this is all about money when you look at. The story was originally Originally written by former chicago mayor. Jane byrne at the feed navigator nuttiest different jane byrne but at feed navigator which is a super cool website. The basic idea is that the gene editing technology allows for scientists to make these precision changes in dna that mimic the natural variation. That's there in st. Just select these breeding and selection. Only you can create the change rather than half to breathe it in so it allows you to make plant improvement much faster. The problem is what does the final product look like well in genetically. There's no at it hardware. It's not a gmo. Like in the old days where you added a trance. Ching this is a single base pair change or a small number of base pair change that is usually pretty innocuous and typically mimics a natural mutation so what to do about it from a regulatory side and the you i guess it was Maybe in two thousand and eighteen where the european court of justice decided that this still would be. Regulated as a full-blown genetically engineered plant. Even though it's the same as something that could have been bred over the course of ten twenty one hundred years well more recently. It's been the the regulators have stepped in and said you know. Maybe we better rethink this. Because this seems like a bad idea where we're cutting ourselves off from good technology and the regulators said. Well we're going to stand by that decision. We're going to continue to hold that decision and so it basically means that you will not be able to enjoy rapid plant improvement or at least not Consumers won't be able to purchase products from those plants and farmers won't be able to grow them anytime soon. You know it's funny. You mentioned money. Because i think that's absolutely the motivation here. And if you read the article. I encourage you guys to do that. They never say anything about safety or about risk to human health or the environment they come very very close to saying. This is going to interfere with the premium brands. Were trying to sell people and want to buy those. So you know you can't get the this is the consumer's right that kind of thing. And what would it smacks to me. Is the concept from economics noticed rent sinking rent seeking seeking. Excuse me we're basically you have some interest in society trying to push regulations that affect everybody but benefit them exclusively and that's exactly what we're seeing here and there seems to be no justification for it except what we've always done it this way. Yeah and it gets even slimy or what's really bad about. This is that they come right out and say that it's really all about the expanding non gmo and organic marketplace that people are paying a premium for these in so we don't want to confuse them by adding something that is maybe im- better and maybe an improvement and maybe better for farmers in the environment but have genetic engineering tweak that would eliminate it from being called non gmo or from organic and so they just want to make sure that there's a delineation a thing. That's a real bummer. This is that if you go into the major retailers so all the and legal are these stores in In eu if you go into their websites and look at their policies they all say well we we respect consumer choice and we're gonna make consumer choice. I and we're gonna follow the policies on genetic engineering. And if you go into their policies they all say well. We follow the policies of something called the food industry association at fm dot. Org and if you go to fm dot org and look at what they say they say. Everything's just fine. There's there's no problem here. This is good technology. We love it you know. So it's it's a way of them having it both ways that okay. We're following the science but at the same time they're saying we're going to respect the consumer's choice cater to the consumers choice to not follow the science and that's really weird yeah. I think it's obnoxious. I think that's just the best word for it. Because couldn't they do. What what we do here in the us where you have You know the usda organic label. And then you have the non gmo project. You could basically create a private thing a private labeling system and you could contract with suppliers that don't use anything genetically engineered category anyway but you could basically just preserve your supply chain as it is now and then you could do what you wanna do and then you could cater to that that group of customers. But they're not doing that. They're trying to like forced this on everybody and prevent people from using it. That's the part that just kind of gets under my skin. No way you're exactly right. But i think there's a certain level of protectionism in this for eu food supply in companies that can say we're non-g and also to kind of protect their farmers because folks in morocco and turkey and other places just beyond the borders of the eu can produce it a much lower cost and they can produce using genetic engineering and some of these places no problem if they chose to do it that way. So it's it's a way of kind of protectionism keeping prices higher and the problem is the people who are the farmers and the consumers nets also the environment in the eu only has so much crop land and to be able to say we're going to use a variety that's got a tiny little genetic tweak that can give you double the yield on the same space you know that'd be a step in the right direction. Yeah absolutely i. I don't know who else has done this. But i know. Henry miller who was a scientist at fda for a long time. We've talked about him before. But he's really come out and said we need to get rid of all of these categories of gmo and gene edited and Mutagenisis i mean those are those are real techniques for producing plants. But the point. Is that like you're manipulating the genome of the organism. No matter what you do and so these are all artificial categories. And they're all kind of stupid. Frankly now it's very true. I mean they're different. Genetic alterations that you have to look at individually but even more so how do they affect the final product. And that's what we need to look at and that's what we need to their risk in it and typically there's no evidence of risk and so to be able to just have an honest dialogue is impossible when you're lawmakers can't even get it straight baragan. Kevin will glyphosate destroying the goebel insect population. Yeah and this is really important paper because it's a good paper based on real research from a decent group so let's look at what the strengths and limitations are. I really wanted to clear this up. And this comes from natalie. Leda at cosmos and it was a paper that when this report came out got quite a bit of play on twitter and this came out maybe about a month ago I'm online and it said glitzy dangerous to beatles as well as plants and yes. We know it's dangerous to plants. That's why we like it. It makes them go away and so what it basically boils down to. Is that even. Though it has extremely low toxicity to non target animals. Okay you look at Birds insects whatever. There's no acute toxicity until you're putting on a ton of the stuff and as usually happens to go po ships. Okay well if there it's not bothering the organism maybe it's bothering the back tirrenia. That are resident within on the organism. And if that's the case are there cases of symbiotic bacteria that you would see in effect and so that was the hypothesis from this group at university at part of max planck They were testing the sawtooth beetle to beetle is a common pass. And it has a symbiotic association with a kind of bacteria that has very little metabolism scott very very scant genome and it does a couple things. One of those things is make sure. Kim eight and she is a precursor to aromatic amino acids so in other words meteo. Acids are building blocks of proteins. They come from some of them. Come from this stuff called shaquille. If you can't do that conversion you die clive. Assay works by inhibiting the last committed. Step in she made synthesis. well no. it's not but next step and she can bio synthesis. So that's why gripe ac- works. It shuts down the production of this important molecule. The class of molecules. And it doesn't it doesn't do it. Animals at does do it in some bacteria including this sim beyond that lives with the screen beetle. So this is why why this is important is because when they did the study they did. They looked at the fed this They took the sawtooth beetle and they purged it of bacteria within with antibiotics and then they added back. The sim beyond within without wipes eight and then also with in without gripe with amino acids so putting in the amino acids that they blocked chemically and they were able to show very definitively that when you have life you inhibit the The production of aromatic amino acids in some of the downstream effects that are dependent on aromatic amino acids so as always. My question is. How well does this translate through the real world. You know like for the insect that they're talking about or maybe for some other some other kind of insect as well. How much glyphosate are they exposed to and does pose a real risk. Because i mean most people just aren't gonna aren't gonna understand how this translates so. Can you shed some light on that. You got it so what this means at this point. Is that when you have glyphosate president at one percent which is the level at which you'd typically apply it and the insect is in a certain larval stage in appears to be sensitive to the In the urbicide to the point where it's a skeleton. Its exoskeleton outside. Is a little bit thinner. So when you spray crop level insecticide onto the larval stage. It has a slightly thinner. Exo skeleton whether that is biologically significant. We don't know. I think that would have been a good thing to test. Does it make them more vulnerable or whatever you know who knows but this is the important point. There's very few places that you're coming in contact with one percent glyphosate. If you get right under the spray nozzle maybe you would. But i don't see that as something where you know farmers that spray this stuff and the residues are present you know for a few weeks. That doesn't cut it because when they did the experiment. With point one percent you did not see the effect so at one percent the effects were minimal. At point one percent they were not detected. So it's it's an important study because it shows that you can't affect the symbionese and see some long term effect in the Structure of the insight. But it doesn't say that its deleterious to the insect. It also doesn't say That these are real field conditions. Those are two really important caveats yet. Thank you very much for clarifying that. Because i think it was in the press release i maybe they said in the paper but i know for a fact in the press release they said something like and this is one of the study authors who said this is useful research because we know insects are declining. So maybe this gives us some kind of a mechanism for what's going on. And and i mean maybe that's possible but i think it's it's misleading in the sense that it implies that the insect the clients are serious. And we know exactly what's going on. That's not quite true. Because i remember last june. I think it was. There was a pretty big study published in science and they basically said it's a little more complicated than saying pesticides or agricultural more generally as is wiping on insects because they found just for example like crop covers so things like corn soybeans sorghum cotton etcetera. These kinds of crops are associated with increases in insect populations. I know that at least several of those are heavily treated with glyphosate in the united states in in other countries so so in other words there seems to be like like whatever association. There is more complicated than what they uncovered in the study. I agree i in that is what what the authors did infer and paper as well was. Oh this could be the the cause of the insect collapse and it really merits more study and i can't disagree with them in that. That is the way that you will complete a scientific paper. Especially if you're trying to find some funding to continue to look at it. You provide your most compelling argument but when you look at it in terms of the real estate nature that affecting several subspecies of bacterial symbionese causing a collapse of insects. Especially when the compound is only applied at certain times it's not applied on too many crops in the eu and other places and you still see insect declines so it really is kind of reaching a bit it kinda oversteps the data but certainly is a as another piece of data that say that there can be unintended effects and things that we need to keep an eye on. If you're spraying herbicide. Make sure you're doing it correctly and safely. Yeah yeah absolutely. I mean just so we need to keep monitoring this and just pay attention to the evidence. Just a final question. If you know i don't know if you know this or not. But how has the epa or has another group of scientists investigated this question because presumably at this stuff's been in use for forty years. Now go facade. I mean Like someone must have looked at this in some capacity. My just might not right about that. I think you're you don't think they look at this level of resolution. In this case you're looking at The organisms that are alive and well inside a certain insect pest and we're starting to the whole idea of looking at microbiomes and meta genomes. This is really a residue of the last fifteen years going back to longest so back when the stuff was approved. These kinds of data didn't exist. Which is exactly why we should look at them. But it's one of these things that we have to be very careful with the interpretations we find whereas one group makes say the sky is falling. Another group may look at the same data and well. This isn't exactly. This is actually saying we're in good shape because we're only affecting certain insects at certain times in their life cycle with the product. That's being used at full strength. That is only applied a couple of times during the farming season. So you know this all depends on your lens yes very good stuff kevin summarizing helpfully as always okay Cholesterol and crisper. What's going on here. Well this is a really interesting article. Because the title of this one was using crisper lower cholesterol levels and monkeys by bob. You're kinda it phys dot org. And i thought a finally finally. They've created a health a they've made monkeys consistent with my heart healthy diet. I now can include a low fat mcadoo. All the you know why. They call them rhesus monkeys. Don't you got peanut butter on the inside. Okay well anyway. This is a whole thing that came up with a group from verve therapeutics and what they did was something really cool and this is also at university of pennsylvania was could you use an in vivo. Gene editing technique to affect cholesterol and question synthesis and cholesterol metabolism. A lot of this is dictated by the effects of certain enzymes in the mammalian liver and this paper is super cool because they targeted a gene called k nine and k nine is a specific gene which has an effect on cluster all levels mostly by binding with a with the low density of protein. And so the lo low density lipoprotein. It's a molecule that binds lots of fat in our luke. Think of it that way. So lots of when you have lots of. Ldl in the blood usually is a clinical association with increased risk of cardiovascular disease. So so the idea here. Is you wanna decrease the ldl levels. Scientists knew that there was ways to affect that with mutation are people who have lower cholesterol levels with mutations in a gene called p c s k nine and this has to do with the uptake of ldl from the blood into the cells. So this is kind of think of it as a little shuttle here and so they did an experiment. Macaques where you would use. A version of crisper mediated gene editing but rather than editing the gene and having which which means breaking it and then having the repair process come back together in a sloppy way. The us something that targeted a specific base. And it's a much more surgical and much more precise way to do the gene editing. And when they did this they were able to actually lower the levels in Lower levels of cholesterol. They'll the questo and it worked lasted for a long time. So this is a pretty exciting finding so it's exciting for one because this would be a great treatment but it seems like it's it's showing that gene editing is getting more precise over time. Is that right. well it is. I mean this is actually uses something called adding bass editor which is a cast crisper technique. But it's done in a way where you attach this enzyme complex to a specific enzyme called the and so it's without getting into too much detail. It is able to convert bases dna by removing a simple chemical decoration. And that's what it does either. An ra orrin dna in this case. And so what they do is they. Add lipid dano particles actually inject this in the deliver the enzyme complex with the target to attack this gene and make a change in the gene and inject us into the liver and it turns out it works just fine done in mice before they've done it in non human primates in the macaques and you're able to affect the function of those cells which is super cool so i believe. The researcher said the next step if they could move forward with this would be tested in humans. So i mean would this go till i like the first phase of a clinical trial at this point. If they get you know something regulators would approve it. Because i guess there's some concern about this being permanent change in. You know were hesitant still to do that to humans. Yeah it could be right. I mean this would be Gene editing in liver which you know the cells are still dividing to some degree and so this would actually be a permanent installation so if you have a collateral effect of this Which could could happen. Because you know who knows With this particular kind of thing If you had a collateral effect you could create a unstable state going forward or deleterious state going forward so i think there's still lot more research that needs to be done but the exciting part about this is that if this kind of in vivo liver aren a delivery correction mechanism works. You can start taking on things that you know. It's not just hypercholesterolemia. It's also polly keats. Nouria in which is another reason. The some folks can't drink diet soda. Right you see the warning on the can it's easily correctable genetic tweak. That could be done this way. there's a series of diseases that function in urea cycle. These things could easily be corrected with gene editing. If it works so as easily be corrected right it could be potentially corrected if the results. That were observed continue. Let me say it that way. Yes fair enough. I guess what. I'm wondering is i'm just thinking out loud here. How would this be used. You know would be something like bariatric surgery. You know so like if somebody's morbidly obese in it's a risk to their health staple your stomach so i'm wondering if they would use the same way like if your cholesterol is just so high that you're at risk of dying. They would they would use this as sort of a last resort that would that be the intention you think of a treatment like this way down the road you know i. I don't know on that one. I think that this could be something that in my mind is what would replace statins statins not to control their blood lipoprotein levels This would be potentially away. That would replace it. This principle of how it works in in some ways with the delivery is lipid nanoparticle based so a lot like the covid vaccine. You had take this special Cast nine complex and encapsulated in lipid nanoparticles and injected directly into the liver. Let it do its thing. And that's a pretty interesting science. I have a funny feeling that this is something that we will see in in widespread use in the next couple years. Yeah that's really cool. It's really cool. I mean. I don't have high cholesterol so it doesn't directly affect me so it's easy for me to go. Yeah go for it you know but it seems like you know if you can do it safely it's a it's a pretty important innovation but we will leave it there kevin. Who are you following on twitter. This week i'm following jonathan. Jari j. a. r. y. at cracked science and jonathan has been a right hand man to dr joe schwarz in the mcgill university office science and society for a few years now and is a really great guy who does really nice work and i appreciate everything. He produces he followed. He produces good Media and advertisers those through twitter. So what about you. Well i have one. But before. I want wanna endorse yours. Because there's been a number of times. I've been writing something and i have a very specific question about You know like vaccine clinical trials or homeopathy. Or something like that. And i'm like what am i going to find the answer to this. And then i google it and mcgill office for science of science and society shows up and it's a perfect answer. I was like this is great. This is what i need so that was a good one. I am following an account called at real pure review. And i love this account because they basically keep tabs on bad social science research that starting to be become more prevalent so one of the examples that i saw this week on their account was there's at least one or maybe several scholars in the social sciences. Who are saying. We need to teach creation stories in public schools Because and this is a quote they provide more insight into our connection with the land and then western science ever could So so it's not like this is an interesting artifact from history and we need to. You know i understand different cultures. This is like no. We should just teach this because it's better than science so So that's just one example but it's at real peer review and it's funny too because some of the things that get into social science journals or strikingly stupid anyways. That's really a good one. That's a really important opt. Check that out. Yeah all right well. Thank you guys for joining us as always follow us on twitter at cam. J. english at kevin volta. We will be back next week. But in the meantime subscribe to the show download re tweet gives us lots of likes review it and if you really like them what we do throw us. A donation helps us expand that the quality of the show reach more people producer. Thank you guys so much. We'll be back.

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310  Influencing a Conversation with a #ScienceHug

Talking Biotech Podcast

36:42 min | 3 d ago

310 Influencing a Conversation with a #ScienceHug

"I everybody this is kevin. And i'm really sorry about the delayed podcast. I usually get it out on saturday morning. And i'm adding this blurb after i've already recorded the rest which follows but i forgot to say that this podcast has no affiliation with the university of florida faculty staff students ministration custodians whatever Has no. It's just purely me me as a private citizen who can't speak about science as a professional. That's the strange world that we live in. This is a really important podcast. And i i Sorry that it's late I really appreciate your patients on this one. But i think you'll understand why i had to record the beginning music by holding my phone up to the microphone with last week's session. I kind of i. I had equipment failures and some crazy other tragedies this week that changed my ability to do this normally and Working hard in the field to make it happen so bear with me. Listen carefully and i'll talk to you next week. Thank you for listening talking. Biotech podcasts podcasts. About agriculture and medicine emphasis on technology. Making things you can do for people at planet. I'm kevin full professor podcast host and we're going to talk about. Hi it's me that was recorded introduction. Because today is a very special episode of the parking biotech. Podcast it's a A little bit different than what we normally do. Because i have a number of interesting circumstances so for six years. I've done pretty good hitting the mark in having a weekly podcast. This week i had a great interview and another really. Good debunking of jeffrey smith. Speaking on another podcast which was generally pretty credible. A few weeks ago a month ago. Two months ago jeffrey smith people reached out to be on talking biotech and i was very happy to oblige. I would love to have spoken to him and he canceled at the last minute but another podcast was happy to have him on. And it's a pretty decent podcast. And they allowed him to come aboard and makeup bs for about an hour and i take it apart line by line and that was all going great. I was going to run that one this week. The problem is a little bit of some unusual personal circumstances so last friday my father went in for heart surgery. My dad's a sharp guy. He's the guy who got me into sci. He's a brilliant scientists himself even though he would never claimed that formal training and science He's Expert in antennas and Radio communications Has a high school in a little bit more training formerly but years of training in the field by fifty years of training In doing what he does or more than that. He started being ham operator. Fourteen years old so he had a Heart surgery last friday. That went amazingly well in terms of the heart surgery but did not emerge from the anesthesia in the same way that he went in an. Mri would feel reveal stroke while no small stroke in the wrong place. So i am on a jet chicago. When be editing podcast. My computer died this week. So i don't have a computer that i can download the previous episodes to hence my recorded beginning Sat with the most of the day. Today we're making progress. He later on. He knows i'm there. He's relearning how to swallow lee relearning how to speak. And it's gonna be a long battle for quite a while but Lots of other complications on top of this. And it's a mess as personally very taxing at all right because this is the stuff i do. We make problems go away. That's what we do on the talking. Biotech podcast every weekend. That's how i like to roll. But the reason this is so important is because. I didn't want to leave a week without a podcast. I owe it to loyal fans that we have in terms of a podcast. You have lots of opportunities to go elsewhere and you stay here with talking biotech. We really appreciate. I really appreciate it. I always say we like. There's a team of people which breaks my heart listen to science versus which is a great podcast and they'll say So until the website not so and so so and the those production they have this gigantic team. People just me microphone computer and a computer that crashed and i don't have the normal software to do the podcast. So i'm using this alternative and we're going to get it done so what to do in a absence of guest and i got plenty of things to talk about but the number one thing i really want to express is the idea of. How do we confront the vaccine. Hasn't and what did we learn about hacks about vaccine hesitancy from genetic engineering hesitancy and when you look at these things side by side. I think you really start to understand the mind of the vaccine hesitant now. We're in a pandemic global pandemic. Things are awful and the delta various surging and the real reality is there's lots of people who are infected. You don't have to be with something like a hundred and ten thousand unnecessary. Icu visits at the cost of over. Three billion dollars to the us economy Something like seventy eight thousand dollars for everybody. Who goes into icu. With kovin so Stepping back a little bit. This is still a problem. And how do we make goal. And i'm still a firm believer that we can do this. Better with communication than we can with mandates and bands and president biden. Talked about this week. This mandate to have businesses mandate vaccination among employees and. I don't know that that works. You can't make people do the right thing by forcing them to do it. And so the reason that i wanted to get with you today on this podcast is what if we were able to try to inspire good change not by mandates but by our actions and then talking about our values. Why is it important in. How can we inspire others to do it. And how can we do the social media and wanna talk about the hashtag science hug and so even if you hang up on me here today right now and you turn this off and go. He doesn't have a guest so listen to him. Drone on. that's fine. I want you to check out the hashtag science hug. Now explain more at the end so the interesting thing for me as as someone who's interested in science science of science communication is what the heck is going on in a pandemic in terms of the communication strategy that we see People against science using. And then what are we doing as scientists and it's amazing. How parallel these things really are. You see these very strong ideological camps that are deeply entrenched you see voices of opposition to vaccination Which have always been there. But now are finding a political basis which had never had Politicizing a vaccine and a pandemic is politicizing life preserver in a sinking ship. It doesn't bode well for the folks who you probably need influence right and so there's tight politicisation going on and it doesn't help solve the problem. So we'll talk a little bit about that. Both anti vaccination anti gmo both share the rejection of experts and the maligning of experts. But the main thing that bothers me is a tone deafness in science communicators in on those of us love science when we respond to those who have problems with science and social media. I'll give you a good example over the last month or two a number of personalities of suffered and died from calvin nineteen who may be neglected to acknowledge that it even existed. Who who rallied against vaccination. People who said don't wear masks people who said social distancing all a joke. It's this whole thing is a joke. It's the china virus and if you're gonna put a face diaper on trust jesus instead you know. There's people who said things like that turn on fox nation. If you don't believe me. I mean i watch all this stuff just to see what's going on. And those are the conversations that are there a number of talk show host religious leaders who rallied against covert nineteen against vaccination against the use of masking have died of covert nineteen and with each one that happens. I'm surprised at the anger that i see online for. Maybe not the anger but the I hate to say. Hey but the the the celebration in the death of a human being who didn't share your scientific sophistication. And i know. That sounds kind of weird. I mean these are people who are by their actions and by their words causing people to die from a completely preventable disease. And i guess that makes us angry should but we have to think about it a little bit different as a communication strategy. Does it win hearts and minds to celebrate the death of somebody who was basically wrong and lied to. these are folks who aren't scientists. These aren't scientists are going into laboratories. And say i found evidence that says it's false. These are people who are parroting the broken and bankrupt words of politicians and others who have fooled them into believing that this is not a real problem. I want you to think about that for a minute. These folks are talk. Show host religious figures politicians. Whatever where diana kobe. Nineteen who got there because somebody they trusted lied to them. Aren't they really victims. Who deserve our compassion. Now granted. they lied to other people. And then they perpetuated the lie and they they continue to cause more death in in cost and harmed small business all the bad things that come along with perpetuating pandemic and i understand that but at the same time these are people who didn't know better and they invested their trust in the wrong people and so when we go out there and we criticize them and say ha ha so and so died good for that. Good form should have died a long time ago. Look at the the the bsn he perpetuated how many folks on that side of the equation chain with like that. The most important part of all of this is understanding. Somebody's intent and there's no easy way to understand that the just unless you're them and so we give them the benefit of the doubt. Are they being deliberately deceptive or are they just making a mistake based upon the bad information that they choose to believe. And i know there's a fine line there and a lot of people argue with me and say it doesn't matter they're spreading false information. We have to give them the benefit of the doubt for two reasons. One is because it might be true. We don't wanna judge somebody's intent if we don't know for sure but also how does it look to the folks who are watching us. Are we coming across his cruel and callous because we Are their intent is devious or e are we giving them the benefit of the doubt and saying they obviously have been misled. We're going to step into the incorrect. It and the reason i bring this up is because i see how it can work if we approach this with compassion and one of the things i said online somewhere was. I'm i'm going to re tweet this. But i'm not going to hit the like button. It was announcement of the death of some talk. Radio show host who died of cova dine teen and i said i'm going to repeat that this happened but i won't celebrate it. I'm not going to say i told you. So i'm not going to take a victory lap at his expense. And i think there's a lot we can learn from that if we're going to change hearts and minds around genetic engineering around cova nineteen year around vaccination general around climate change. How do we do this. In a way that comes not from Angry emotion but rather than compassion understanding that the people who are against it are people who are fooled. And i don't mean to be soft here because these are people who have made my life a living hell who trash my career who caused me all kinds of personal harm and they did it in twenty in two thousand fifteen and and. I don't know that. I could forgive any of them. Some of them are do not heimlich List including some in science communication. And we'll talk about that some other year but the bottom line is is that these are folks who were fooled by somebody else. They aren't experts. They were parroting the words of the people they trusted and they invested their trust in the wrong people. And how we handle that as a scientific community if we're going to win the trust of others so what i want you to do is now on when we go into the circle and we'd debate issues like cova nineteen. Vaccinations like genetically engineered ingredients ingredients in food that come from genetically engineered plants to say precisely. We need to be more compassionate of those that express contrary opinions to our own and even those that are completely false and those that are deadly. We can't just come out and say you idiot. You're gonna kill people if we're going to change hearts and minds. We need to be soft. We have to be soft. And that's the way that we solve the problem. And i. I never would believe this. I always thought like the hammer of science solved everything. And that's how i operated for a very long time. I'll just give you more evidence. i'll give you more facts. I'll give you an avalanche of data. I'll explain to you in a way that any idiot could understand. That didn't matter with the mom and the grocery store wants to know is. Is it safe. Why read online that. My child will have infertility of if my sixteen year old goes and gets the vaccination that he'll have problems of fertility later in life. And i'm not willing to risk that you can't go to that person so you moron. Why would you believe that website. It takes a certain level of compassion to earn their trust. So trust is the is the operative word how do we get into conversations with people who may have different thoughts than us in earn their trust. And it's not easy. Trust is an interesting thing. Comes from our competence. People trust competence. How will you do what you do. Your reliability are you willing to do what you do so not just can you do it but will you do it. Your level of intimacy. How much you care. And all of this is is diluted by your motivation. Are you in this for somebody else or are you in this for yourself. Are you just a schill for monsanto and pfizer or do you really care. Is this for the good of everyone. And so trust is a balance of those those factors competence reliability intimacy and self-motivation. And that's why the people opposed to these technologies continually use this schill accusation to try to show that your not interested in their wellbeing. You're doing this for some other motivation. Because that erodes trust in your message especially as others who are watching may perceive it and so these are the things that we need to approach when we look at the questions with others when people say something that is appalling stepping into that conversation and rather than giving them the science punch giving them the science hug. How do we say. I understand why you would feel that way. I'm listening to you. And i've heard that a thousand times but let me explain this to you from somebody who's been working in this field for a very long time. Then you need to talk about the things that are important to you. What is your motivation. Why do you care. Effect those two components of the trust equation so in the case of vaccines. I'll say i'm so worried about protecting the vulnerable in our society folks on chemotherapy. The folks who have komo biddies the folks who can't be vaccinated like kids. I'll talk about the importance to the economy to the nation as a whole to not be putting patients into icu's at a cost of fifty to seventy thousand dollars per patient that goes against our national budget. These are the reasons that kind of appeal to people across the political spectrum national security as well as personal care and responsibility dinner things that he tried to shoot to cover all those basis in the area of genetic engineering. I always talk about. Farmers consumers. The environment the food insecure. Those are the most important things to me. And why i do what i do. Then you continue that conversation. Let me show you some additional resources. You might choose to investigate. I used to feel you even say i used to feel that way too but after looking into it further on this website. I think i've changed my mind. Why does that work in may not change the mind of the person who you're targeting. You know the person who is making a bad claim but jay bayer and other folks will remind us that. The internet is a spectator sport. And for every person who's commenting there are thousands who are watching. Sometimes maybe a hundred. Maybe ten may be one. But there's other who's who are watching how you respond in that environment and you can develop competence reliability and intimacy which are parts of the trust equation by simply being a decent human being and rather than beat somebody over the head with statistics and data. Saying i understand why you feel that way. Let me tell you what i know. What's really important to me is public health. What's really important to me is protecting the vulnerable. What's really protect in for me is protecting local business in ensuring folks in the hospitality industry have jobs that are costs. Don't go through the roof on healthcare that we have a an economy that's vibrant because we're not spending all our money on treating cova patients in icu's who who spend billions of dollars Who don't need those treatments because vaccinations are available. Now i say this and sure. I'm you know i say okay. Here's the formula you use. Go out and do it. And i'll be very honest. I have a sister who will not see my father in the hospital because she's not vaccinated. She's got a brother who understands this stuff inside out who's followed this literature since january of twenty twenty and she remains unvaccinated because she trusts the people in her moonbat circles more than she trust me. The people who tell her that this is going to cause problems five g. Whatever i mean is this is the folk she runs with. And i don't know how to fix that so what i'm admitting is that Everything i'm telling you is a great strategy but it's going to fail at times and there's some you'll never reach but you invest in them anyway because that's the right thing to do and you hold these conversations in the places where people are going for conversations in that sense social media. So here's the deal. I want you to engage others. I want you to go out and talk to people about the covert vaccine. I want you to have conversations about genetic engineering about climate. You name it. And i want to promote the idea of using the hashtag science hug. And here's how. I wanna use it this next week. I would like all of you to go in. Follow the hashtag on twitter hashtag. Gmo follow hashtag gmo. You find a lot of accounts there that are that have thousands and thousands of followers and put out these little toxic blue blurbs and other people who makes stupid comments about you know something they heard in the whole foods parking lot you know whatever but i want you to follow the hashtag. Gm all with me. And i want you to respond to each one with a kind compassionate in values based comment in other words when you read something. That's patently false. I want you to say. I understand where you're coming from or i understand why you might feel that way or even say many people feel that way. But you know it's never for instance it's never been shown that this is harmful technology to people or whatever whatever it is follow my lead on this but basically the idea is let's go in everything has hashed. Gmo do a Our replied to it which can be quote tweet or a regular reply replied to it in a kind way. Let's show our better angels as a science literacy community bent on change for public good. And here's the point. You're not going to change the mind of the person with that account that might have hundreds of thousands of followers a couple there. That always tweet with the hash tag. Gmo probably bought s- you know they're probably just bots. Here's the deal. You may not change. Their mind won't change. Abott's mind but you can change the potentially some of those two hundred thousand dollars. And that's what i want us to do. A want us to be in the space where they get to see a kind response high road response to eight toxic tweet and let's use the hashtag science hug and once. We do that next week if this really looks good. We'll do a little blurb in the middle of the of the normal podcast and talk about the place. We're gonna look at the hash tag that week and we'll go after co vaccines. We'll go after the anti massacres. Hashtag burn the mask. We'll do that next week. But let's go through these one at a time. There's something like twenty five thousand people. Maybe even more who download this podcast Every month let's go ahead and put imagine if he went on twitter in on every piece of bogus information and met with twenty. Five thousand. Kind science hugs. I think we got something here. Some sitting in my mom and dad's old house. Nobody's here nobody's been here for a while. It's got weird spider webs dust everywhere. It's kinda sad being here. But this is where i'm staying close to where he is why he recuperates from this personal disaster. Maybe we could dedicate this to him you know. He was a guy who is way in science in very much into doing things for other people very very kind person who did a lot for others. There was give them a job or do work where others would not do. Work doing working Communities around the chicago area where others wouldn't even drive in there to do the work that he would give companies. You know breaks opportunities. Long story but Let's do a little dedication ham that all of us investigate those hashtags and let's give them a big hashtag. Science huck and see if it catches on because it might and if it does imagine if we could change the course of kovic nineteen or maybe genetic engineer may be stupid. Climate change just by training generation that in a time where people are angry when people spew hate where people spew angry messages in social media. Where all of us Gave it a little softer touch and had a much bigger impact. And what if we ended up on a planet where the way we got things done most effectively was by saying. Hey i love you but and all of this matters because angry. Messaging anger has consequences. And i remember back in twenty fifteen after the new york times article when i had the world's largest newspaper put me on the front page of the paper telling the world my intentions that i worked for agricultural companies to defend them and spread implying that spreading false information to benefit companies and that i was reimbursed for. I was paid to lobby when i was never paid or lot. Never lobbied intent was being paraded all over the world all over the internet and people were harsh absolutely horrible and professionally. Personally just destroying my world and i remember sitting on a plane. Eleven days later going to montreal for the trump symposium that joe schwarz runs a fantastic meeting where i was in that plane and they said that there are some mechanical problems and In the was up in the air what would be happening and literally and I remember sitting there thinking that it's okay if the plane crashes and i kind of actually was hoping it would because i didn't wanna do it anymore. Everything i've worked for my entire life was taken apart and all the trust that i built is is an independent. Scientists who makes decisions based on evidence and data was gone and that was hard ahead and yet figured out how i was going to bounce back from it. I was still suffering through it but the meanness from online the hayden that was coming through my local paper my craigslist in gainesville florida. I mean they were infecting any conduit they could do to get a hold of me Gm watch these hateful websites us. Rt k which to this day just just spread hate. Just you can read about how. I don't have a garden. I live on a freaking farm. You know i mean they they actually criticize the weirdest things about about me source. Watch you read about these places online. That's say who you are and what your intentions are when they don't know and they don't match what i know mine. Tensions are he's really bad actors. And i think that they're hating their anger does not do not or does not win them. Favor with the people in the middle and we need to contrast that he can have severe consequences. I think it was august. Twenty seven that a friend of mine had a problem he Not a close friend but guy. I used to ride bikes with years ago. We used to distance rides. You know these sixty miles hundred miles an hour and a good guy locally engaged politically very into social justice Worker's rights a lot of important issues that he was very passionate about and always took a lot of heat from others in the community who didn't see eye to eye with his political beliefs as political position. And i remember back. When we'd hang out we'd say hey come on out with us for a beer and he'd say now i really can't go now i'm now and never could go. Never could if we pop the bunch by their by at the bike shop he'd leave never asked why never mattered You know some people. It's religious some people it's whatever but some people have substance abuse problems and those demons demand that they stay clear of Different addictive substances. And and i don't know the case but On sometime in late august. I think twenty seven he Got into a car wreck and left the scene. And when they caught him he had empty bottle in the car and other stings and he was intoxicated and they arrested him as they should and they took him down and book them They stuck his mugshot on in the paper as they do in some places still which i am totally against. Because you haven't been convicted. You've only been arrested. you know. In this case they probably had a pretty damn good case against him and he was wrong for doing what he did. There's no question and the system would have punished him very hard for what he did no question but the online community punished him more and the common sections of the newspaper article the online stuff on facebook another It was incredibly harsh incredibly punishing. And i remember remembered how it would feel to be him. The next day he jumped off a five storey parking garage to his death. The meanness has consequences. And that's why we have to really strive to reverse that trend because of the contrast it can create not only. Is it much more compassionate much more reasonable towards other people the way we should be acting and yet sure. I know that joan and thacker will go back and find a a tweet that i put out there. Nine two thousand nine where. I called somebody a dick or something. Just you know it'll happen. Of course i lose my temper too and of course back then. I wasn't nearly as nuanced as i am now about these topics because i see the difference. That kinds can create in an environment of angry. Derision this is why it's so important for us to take the high road in these conversations. Okay well i'm gonna dial down now but this has been a very special talking biotech bod council very federal talking. Biotech bod go It's been a Episode it's a little different than others. And i really wish i could've done the normal but i think this one's important and some i've been thinking about for awhile and No better time to do it than now. So mimi and social media space folks. let's go the hashtag science. Hug starting with hashtag. Gmo this week. Let's turn it around as always the review and two. I don't do that not today. schumi some good vibes and realize that. I'm i'm on the ropes here. Pretty much suffering through this. But we're going to use the good things a science to get us through it. It's working for him and it's going to be working for my dad working for me and we'll make it happen. So this is the talk in biotech. podcast Thank you very much for listening. And i'll talk to you again next week and don't forget to use the hashtag science hug. Let's do this.

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Mon the Perim

Harmontown

2:02:04 hr | 2 years ago

Mon the Perim

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Like like the length of the escrow, you kind of negotiate that to the length of the escrow that matters, Dan, the motion of the ocean. Yeah. So we agreed on it. And I doc you signed thing and we're, we're off. I think I'll have a house in thirty days. What will make this new house better than your current house? It's giant. It's bigger. But how do you utilize that space? You are you going to just be like running around, or having well, Cody, and I went through at the other day, and we did realize that because initially, we had this plan like codeine air, we're gonna go, okay, we're going to have a master bedroom, and but then we're, we're going to each have our own bedroom. So that because we like the psychological. Health of like, hey, if we're together we choose to be together. Like Cody still has her apartment, and she's been, you know, sleeping at my place so regularly that you could almost call it living with me. But I think there's an important thing there for her. Maybe for me to where it's like, hey, can't take this person for granted they got their own apartment like they don't need to be here and getting in little squabbles. And the repairing is maybe easier thinking, like. No one's no one's a hostage here. Yeah. Into when you want to be romantic and connect, you can go back into the main sanctum saying that I think, is the more important thing is, is what it does. It's not about like, oh, let's prepare to be like squabbling, and then people are actually going to sleep in these other rooms probably never happen. But, but psychologically, what that what that transforms your master bedroom into which is like it's like a hotel suite. It's like we're this is not a place for Dan, to have his USB cables, all over the place and stuff. So, so when we were shopping for a house, we had, we had a certain bedroom counts, and it was kind of ridiculous. Because it included two two bedrooms, a master bedroom. And then in addition to that, we, we wanna guestroom, and there's, there's other shit that we want, and I was like, goddamn, you need that many bedrooms. Okay. And we found a place that has that many, but the master bedroom is, so it's got these Janke Antic walking. Closets. They're like his in hers, walk in closets. Like you could put a bed in my closet. So I'm not going to put a bed in my closet. But at the same time, I feel like I could be such a page in that closet. Cody says as long as you are shits behind that door. I'm never going to be like what do you mean precisely what, what would be behind this? Like, like, my, my half of my current bedroom like code is kind of a neat freak my half of my current bedroom. Looks like a ten year old boys bedroom. Like I just dropped close where I take them off and I saw I can put him on tomorrow and it's just kinda and then I'll get like an electronic thing for Amazon, and I'll open it up. And the boxes are all over the place. And there's like cables running everywhere, I've got a USB hub, where an alarm clock goes, and there's like chords coming out and is there kind of sexiest in Iowa, where if you have the master bedroom, where that is the let's be together because we love each other, and we're gonna smooch, but we also. Have our separate rooms where we're doing our own thing. Wait, when the men were not going to do that anymore. No, we decided we get these giant walk in closets. Like we don't need we the upshot of it is that we are walking around the house and be like, okay, so this is where the taverns gonna go. This is where the Chavan. I got a tavern in my house, so you're going to recreate a tavern. We have I don't wanna lose shit by moving, like I got a tavern. And I got a theater, I mean, we have a place to. It's not a real theater after freak out. Where sneeze or whatever you whatever you did. Didn't freak out. He just went is. Sneezed. Your somebody's gotta luxury allergy. I get it. I had a hard time. Caught my immune systems are shut down to realize how rich I was. So now you're gonna have Choo. Now, you're gonna have one master bedroom, and not to separate sanctums. It'll be one main sanctum and is Cody or you going to have the other bedroom when you guys are not, like we each get Cody night, each have two bedrooms, two to choose from to play with, like, so we could we could make one of those I could make one my bedroom. I could put a bed in it. I'm not going to do that. I'm gonna put like a green screen it or something, I'm gonna put a sound booth in there. I'm going to be like she seems to have unin visible touch, you know, our our, I want one I'm gonna make a panic room. Here's what I just panicked. When you wanted to Phil Collins rooms, here's the thing. I'm really going to do like there's one there's like this rather large closet that doesn't necessarily the layout of the house doesn't indicate that there. Should be anything there. And there was this one house. We saw it was really nice house, hunting adventure, because we looked at some places where I was like this place is fucking RAD, you know, and then you gotta kinda like think like does rat mean you wanna live here, like it's hard to mean you're looking at a house in your like I always, like picture myself in these places, and that it's always ironic. And then I'm like, do the ironic thing like like do do like like live for your bio pic, like, like, have this have the third act began, and it says, like ten years later, and it's like fade in on some shit that makes your mom sick. Just makes people shake their head in Wisconsin and good. Got damn this motherfucker lives in a giant concrete block with fuckin- nude sculptures. Overlooking fuck what does the boom Infinity pool and you're going to fucking barbecue shaped like a pretzel, because to Burton designed it or something? I looked at a place that had a had a turntable garage. Just like a put your. On there and just fucking rotisserie for your coke parties checkup, my fuck and previous man raise. It's like moving around in a circle. Why what I think that I think that was. I think that was originally for Choo Choo train. So you get a deal. Edgy purpose would be that you, you pull into the garage headfirst. You don't have to back in turn around crazy. I made it's RAD but, but it's not home. You know, was like the place we lived was RAD Christian Slater, who said that the walls, the walls looked like a place that you would build in no man's sky, like it was, like, I would if you've ever played no man's sky, and you've made a shelter out of wood. It's like that's the. The crowd and were talking about video video games and buying giant mansion right now. I'm trying to get get. I know lost them on the mansion. I'm getting back with the video game thing would. How big is your house need to be for you to become too, is size? The important thing here, you, you're just you and Cody like how big is the house needs to be assizes important of me. Sorry, I'm picking peanut center my teeth. He also kind of went a little lift our at their five important. Eight room for a hairy to go, there hunters get out. Size is important to me. I want floorspace elbow room like, like whatever. I got it. So, but. There was this one place that we looked at, like the RAD place that that was not home. I, I was like, I would feel fat living here. This is this is this is a place for a person that is like on display or something. It's like interesting radical house like there was a. When you went down the stairs. There was a bookshelf at the bottom of the stairs. And then the bookshelf was a secret door over like a little little chamber could have been like they said, a panic room. But Mike, I'm panicked. I'm not going down half of the stairs like that. It's not a panic or MOS. But where would you go if you're panicked, I'll get on that later? But here's what but I got inspired by it. I'm like, I'm like, that's the only thing that, that, that I that I that I want in my house that I want. So I'm going to have a contractor, make a bookcase door on this big closet, and I'm gonna put all of the monitors in there for all of the security cameras, so that if I'm having a party, I can be like Alfred mine the guests, and then I like go down and look to ways and I wanna I wanna make an activated with a book pile of book out, and it goes, like click, like goonies, booby trap, and then a grand goes open. And then you just go in there and just watch the perimeter through the monitor's. I wouldn't put cameras in my house, you can come to a party at my house. I'm not gonna monitor you might limits. You've just said that you will. If you're outside already watching you because I got a monitor that perimeter. What if you get like big paintings of people, and you have their eyes be little cameras. Oh, yeah. I got him on my Peron. Okay. But once you're in my house, civil liberties are safe, you like I'm not Chuck Berry going to be like watching you pooh-pooh. You gotta, you gotta totes mounds the parental. Now, let's say you had library that the book was the lever that opened up the secret chamber baby. Now, obviously, we can't use this one after we say this. But right now. What with what title of book would be the one that you would pull? I think we can't use it. I mean, like come to my house and you find a bookcase. No, what's buying there? And it's not like it's not like my suit of our my actual Batman armor is back there like I'm not a real crimefighter, but it's just fun to be like, you know. But so like, like, yeah. I mean, do you think I mean there's? You've got the encyclopedia Britannica you've got you've got all of Varley. You've got this. You've got that what is the one that you would? Fall of the house of usher, is that a key because you're like walled in what are what are books about books doors? My question is because it's an interesting thought is would it be your favorite book or something that was semantic like like like you're saying the Matic you go Matic? Yeah. So you. It's. Don't let the right one and I don't know. I mean, as a novelization of the doors movie. Behind the green door just up. But, you know, I'd go meta, just have the book be like I would I would do every single book fake. I would I would I would it would be like this is the one. You're looking. Yeah. Book would be like be like tales from the secret door. Knob. Touch this book. That'd be the one. So you're, you're in escrow. I've never tried to buy a house. So what does that mean for you right now as grow is a flux period of where? The buyer no longer has to bid against other people, I think bidding is closed. And then it's like was he versus the Bank? It's no, it's just it's no it's just a period of time. It's like a it's like a it's just like a handshake before the for the sex. It's there's still there's still time to. There's still time to get out of the deal. Mostly on sex. I just had sex tonight, the handshake hand as pleasure. Plus, you're about to do. It's like it's like it's like for me on my side. It's time for me to send over inspectors and stuff. So you like have someone look, the fireplaces, you have someone check out the wiring look for tarantula s I don't know. And it's like a time to negotiate a little bit if you find something that's fucked up. Like there's a gas leak in this house. Like you going to knock off a little of the price because I'm gonna fix it. When I move in, or are you gonna fix it before? I move in. But you'll be leaving the neighborhood you'll be moving to the valley now. Yeah, yeah. I wish I could say more, but it's not like we ever hang out in like you live walking distance from my place. We never. Yeah. Hang out. I see much in the valley valley villages do. Now, I think so I'll keep my old place. So it'd be like a tear overlooking withdrawing room was the second bed and breakfast. What do you make in there? I don't know appear to tear baby appear to tear for, for who me. La, you'll have your pin attack. No, I'm gonna fix it up and see. And then I'll feel out like could I rent this yearly what was the. Desire to leave that place and get a new one, Cody, like I want to, like, Cody didn't want to move into dudes house. You know, she wanna pick a house with dude. And like so that we're starting a new chapter together and it needs needed to be bigger. Did you have a bubble throat there? I think I'd still be moving around this time anyway. But I probably would have ended up in Iran house with the fucking care solid garage that I would. I mean, I've talked to people these modern house just have a pool in a back house that I can just squat an whenever I need to so that my house is like a hotel now. It's like, like I'm actually actively in the market for Kato. Like, I'm I may having to murder in the same way. No get Kato first and then murder. That's what I'm saying. You talk about you get Kato kaylin, and then he murdered somebody, I know. You'd think I can't help murder somebody. Oh, well, no Kato didn't help. He's just a witness. Okay. There wasn't even a witness. He just happened to be in the back house. And they heard a sump on the wall. Yeah. So witness. You're with J K, could it could have been could have been the thump of corrupt LAPD with a systemic Reese problem, that's my John Travolta, as what's his name shit? What's his name does? The lawyer come on guys, Robert. No, the other one Kardashian now. Shapiro Shapiro Robert Shapiro. Yeah. To Volta with Shapiro. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. A lot of fun performances in that in that movie. All right. Yeah. Retiring from public life. Now, would you have a pool? How much time do you think you Dan Harmon? I'm gonna spend I think we've covered this topic. All right. Yeah. It's not much was the answer. Not much with the answer. So, so escrow last how long how long you might pull the trigger on having this new home thirty days. Thirty days. And then I'm going to but I'm like, I'm gonna take my sweet time because I love my current house. I'm gonna sit over there. I have people installing right now like this crazy, like electronic system in my old house. They don't even know they're doing it in your old house away. But I'm on dishing them unawares like Mike. Let's see if you've got the right stuff, maybe, I'll let you wire up my bigger house. I'm just watching them and pretending I live there. Oh, what if I wanted to play the stereo will Gulick this? Or maybe I just go over to my other bigger house. Listen to music over there. You dumb pieces shit. Get back to work. What happened to your fish? How do the fish catchall that is a tough subject? You got fish. Yeah. I got fish. And how do they get moved around? They don't get moved what that's a custom. You're gonna kill your fish. I'm not gonna kill my fish. You're gonna have your fish murdered. Code wink into the fish tank. It's a custom like if I couldn't bruckheimer fish tank like it's like it is very Michael man. Like it was it was the fulfillment of a dream. I had as a child, I wouldn't have a saltwater fish tank. Mcgaugh Ian, I like like kind of does custom designed one for the corner mcgaffney like built this beautiful tavern in my old house. And part of that was she knew I wanted that fish tank, and it's like I've now scratched that I'm not a fish tank guy. I now know gonna die. What's going to happen? I don't know how it works when you move out, and you got a fish tank. I pretty sure it's up to you. I'm pretty sure that you have your finger on that trigger. Well, yeah. I mean I don't know if you just like, but I'm saying, like, I don't know. She do you want your hands, you just wait for the fish that are in there to die of old age, you just like keep coming back and visiting them and going like, hey, how's it going, Greg like still kicking? Goi getting pretty empty, and there will we're fish, you know. Usually usually, there's turnover than this just me and the snails now. Yeah. Expect you stand how it works out here. But I moved you can put a water in here. Water. How many current alive fish? Do you have don't even know? That's why I know I'm not a fish, check guy. I don't I don't I don't I don't have fishing murderer. You might as well be like deadliest catch. I'm a fish murderer the same way. I'm yeah. My cow murderer when I buy because I'm not vegan, which is a lot because I'm supporting a marketplace that I by buying fish in putting them on display in my house. I incentivize to marketplace that someone out there is catching and breeding fish. But you you've you gonna kill these fish, these Fisher fucking as happy as this no way. No way to transport these fish into your new place. You saying these fish. I'm not a fish tank guy. Your, your fish murder by these fish can can I think you're projecting a lot in there. Like, could you say fish, better homes, Khalifa? Can. Yeah. Okay. What do you think I'm going to put them in a net and whip across the yard or something? Harder than leaving them where they where they're alive. How hard is it seems very hard to find a home for fish? I know. Nextdoor app. Yeah. I can check in with these maniacs. I, I should check back in on that. I wonder if Rebecca got her second hand bark collar so that she could try one out without expending too much on her mission to maker, doc. Not bark, God damnit, who is that guy that was on her case it was like your dog is barking because he's psychologically scarred. And then everyone else is like give pills. I got pills come over. Get some pills, try those pills. You're all insane. You need to socialize your dogs shut up, Greg. Greg's name of the fish. I'm not gonna make it up name. So the fish will find the home, the fish, the fish, if I do nothing, which is what I've done is official owner here to four like the fish, stay alive. Like among the things I don't do is tell the person that feeds, the fish to not feed them. I mean like I have default mechanisms that ensure a healthy luxuriance life for these fish in their little their little tank, but I don't have. I don't know what I'm going to have to find homes for him. I guess there's a little prawn in there. Couple of prions adorable. Always wanted a prime then I got one and I was like, boring. Looks like a shrimp, hanging out. It was just when I was a kid shrimp. When I was a kid, we had a freshwater tank, and, like, like we would go to the tropical fish store. My mom was like into keeping a fish tank. I had a CASA they had like various things, and it was more into it. Then. Mom was into it, and go to the tropical fish store, and then there was the saltwater section, that's where all the cool fish were like, whoa. This thing looks like a spider, my mom ago, those are for rich people like those are those are hard to maintain their expensive all the stuff. And so just as surely as I, I would whenever I buy peanut butter on Amazon, I will sort by price descending and pick the top one, because fuck everyone ever you buy your peanut butter on Amazon price descending. If someone out there comes out with a fifty dollar jar peanut butter, I'll be there only customer, I blindly like ice sort things by price descending. And click the top one because I'm just like never again man. Never deprived. So you don't just roll down the Guston's and scoop up some peanut butter there. Oh, yeah. No, I love going down to the gilson's the fucker you talking about. Poor germs fun. You become a monster eve. You don't joy walking down to the market and rolling around the protas session ago. This apple pretty groovy. It's great. Yeah. Love that. I've always loved. I've always loved strangers. Great, great people, I love their babies when strangers have babies take them out in public, and it's my problem. I love that. I live almost stepping on some urgency head and getting shit. Look from their terrible parent. Why is your baby rolling in dirt in public? I should have stepped on it. I should've stepped on your baby. But I can't because then you'd be like you'd Google me and be like, Jack pot people probably put babies in front of me on purpose. I was at a target once and I kicked a baby. It was rolling around, you know, those days in target, when there's like a sale, and it looks like a fucking warzone you walk in there. What the fuck happened at target? What is what are we in fact, in Beirut sorry to Beirut? It's the Paris of the Mideast. But I kicked to fucking baby was like rolling around in the close. This is like, what is it baby? Just looks like a bunch of clothes. You just it's a target covered in close. Everyone's just like I can't believe people go in there and go, oh, there's a sale at target. What's this three dollars? I don't need that drop. They just drop it on the floor. It's insanity to attorney. I've been to a target this is like twenty years ago when I was laying I had the idea it was going to buy five of the same shirt, and I'm like, okay, I'll go to target. It was like a war zone and then I'm like looking around like you just find some shirts, and it was like. Kit kit this like. What she thinks? You're joking. You actually kicked a baby. Yeah. A human child. Yes. I, I thought you were doing a bit this child actually rolls around the floor. Yeah. It was rolling around in the dirty floor closed. Yes, it was like playing a game called bet. You think that I'm close and walk on me, and the mom was just too busy? Throwing shirts on the floor to like, and I'm like I kick the kid and I was like, oh, shit. You know, and the kid was like. And the mom looked at me like. Like she gave me this look like oh yeah. I know the look. We all look he kicked my beta. Yeah. Baby kicker. And I was like, I gave her this look. You betting lake come on case ah Rasa rise, the look, I gave her. Sailor v. Okay. How many languages you know, like fucking? Baby gonna get stepped on like, like. If man, you know. When I was in public with my mom, she would she was like this is not your house. She zoo lately. You go to a movie theater, if you're like you're watching a movie, and then you're like, mom. How come the Jabber walkies? She's like shut the fuck up. What are you, not your living room? Jesus Christ is all these people here, DM. She's right. You know what's important to be shamed. About public behavior. I have a little bit of anxiety. But like I'm a better person for it. I think, you know, I my mom would say, what if everyone here did what you just did. How would that work for you? Would you. Is that the world you wanna live in God? No, that's gross. Just something I don't wanna live in booger world. She was a good mom in that sense. She really knew how to lay down the breast. Aftermath of u-, kicking the baby everything turn out. Okay. I just kind of like a flashing headlights at each other as you kick my baby. I'm your baby. Your babies land dirt. Witted set it with our eyes, you know, and then she just like called the baby's name and had it had like, you know. Squirm over to her squirm. Larva how like an infant like under a year. It was old enough to know better. It wasn't like a baby, like, like a helpless, baby. Like it was like it had a baby of means it had it had Motilal it had like its decision making it was, like I think I'm going to go over there. Roll around on the floor. Headed about shirts five apiece that you are walking around so exciting Millie and just like don't even watch. This was walking knows where it was site. -ment. Yeah. I wasn't looking for babies. That's yeah, you're right about that. I was walking. Yeah. Yeah. Heads up looking for shirts babies. Be beware. No stupid babies on the ground. I agree with that. I mean you kind of taking her side. I mean you're taking your son saying, why leave a baby on the ground you're coming around. Get walked on. There was the initial round of, you're always challenging me. You're like, oh, Dan's a piece of shit. Let's find out why like that's what the show is now. That's fine. The show is always been the show. Always a time when it was like, oh, I'm sharing my life and you're helping these stand track. And now it's like I just now I'm not sharing my life. I'm like hiding, and I'm like, oh, no, I ate a hotdog yesterday. And you're like you ate a hotdog prove it. I don't know. It was a thing between Bunce defined buns. Two pieces of bread. What's your favorite bread named three breads? I don't know Jeff whole-wheat like like whole grain pulled grade. Great. And I can't be like can I get back to what I was talking about because what I was talking about is doing the show, and I wish I was dead. I want that conversation to finish. Now, I'm actually very happy. I hate doing the show. I'm very happy. I got I got a new MAC book today. Thank spencer. It doesn't have the little thing. Doesn't have that stripe. Yeah. Do you want that we could take it back? What is that? What is that strip? What does it mean? It's got f- keys on it. You know, like the F one and the F two got like that. And I think sometimes it has emojis. On the keyboard itself on that on the little bar. Why is it different flies? That why is that a thing that's on some MAC, books and not others? I think it's just on the top model for both the thirteen inch and fifteen inch top model. Yeah. I didn't I didn't get the top model. No. We think we talked about. We do that. It's three hundred dollars. More is America's top model. Dan, dad, Dan. Dan? Am I your dad, Cody or we'll take my belt off right now? Then Cody ordered me shirt, that's aware when we when it came in tonight, but there was a shirt online says dad jokes. I think you mean RAD jokes. But the thing is the photo of the shirt like the advertisement for it. It's a picture of a shirt, and then there's like to converse, all stars kind of like incoming in frame like laying on the corner of the shirt, just to make it more radd, the shirt, and I was like, well, I want the shirt, but I want the I want the tennis shoes like in there, too. Like I want the whole shirt on a shirt, so she ordered the shirt and the shirts got a picture of a shirt on it with shoes on it. And the shirt says dad jokes. I think you mean RAD jokes. It's a confusing shirt. Can you show me the whole audience? I'd like to see this. Okay. Okay. Courtroom. Sure the bailiff. Us nice. Like it's a shirt with a picture of shirt on it, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's a shirt with a picture of a shirt on it. It's like a hat on a hat shirt on a shirt. Is a Hugh on a shirt on his shirt. Guest tonight, by the way, what do you think Colin Hanks is gonna come out and make it worth your time? No zo. You get. No. And so I think we should do is try to really get back on track on DND Spencer. I think tonight brought he brought the, the character sheets, and the whole flimflam, right. Yeah. Got dice of your own. We don't have to go out to the crowd. And I say, we really Dan, you may Spencer gets really like figure out where we are. Remember what was going on? And then begin again a fresh. Yeah. Why did I get a new macbook pro? You're asking. Dan, did you have like ninety laptops? Dan? I have a question for you. Yeah. Why did you get a new MAC pro? Because I've been trying to I've been making music on my ipad pro, I took apple at face value, when they said you can now produce music on this ipad pro it has USB port in it that opens you up to limitless possibilities. I was like, okay, I'm gonna get on board with this. I follow Henny the business on YouTube. He's into the ipad pro and he's written music for Drake or something. And he's like people are going to be making music with the ipad pro. I'm like he's heading the business like he does Dettori and stuff. So all this time last year. So I've been like learning all these. Apps and things spending. All this money, USB cables thing, they're all buggy. Here's the only program that works on the ipad pro for making music garage band. That's it like without crashing without having some fatal bug. All the other ones are just like these weird experimental things like they have different bugs, if you don't want the bug that's incubators too. You can use Oreo pro but you're gonna get you got different bug. And it's like you can't have bugs that are just like like oh shit. If you work for an hour and the song like this shit happens. That makes makes it all weird. That's not acceptable. So it was like this, and we're not ready for this. It's like VR technology, we've, he pretending like we want to be in the future, and it's like you're going to be making music on your head pro. No, you're not it's a fucking giant iphone likely. Get your shit together. Apple suck my titty. I guess they announced the new s for today. Yeah. So like two steps forward one step back likely there already was an ipad IOS and they merged it with the fucking iphone IOS, and now it's like, oh, no. You need a special ipad. Yeah. Why? Because you think if you're holding a big giant fucking thing in your hands. You might want it to work like a goddamn, laptop you fucking apple turds. So I just got a laptop. I'm like, what am I doing? I'm sitting in bed in my pajamas. I'm trying to make music. The laptop ways the same. It is apparently the only thing that's not gonna crash retain logic pro seems really cool. And like yeah. So I'm going to I'm going to be making even better music now, Jeff, and I, I've been enjoying your Instagram little little music nuggets. Yeah. And I wanna wanna wanna wire my car for audio so that I can, like just awful, you know, singing in the car, and then you gotta like you bring it home. And it's like trying to you're trying to like E Q out the car sound, and it's just bad like I want to keep trying keep getting different. Mike's a live Mike and put it on my seatbelt, real. Yeah. It didn't work. You can get one like headliner, like up here above you that I tried to love Mike won't work because love Mike. Have this reaction to the background sound of the car, that's actually even worse than the built in Mike iphone? It's like as soon as you start driving. In the car, like there's like sound from outside the love Mike go fucking insane. Like they think that you're dragging it down a gravel path, like blows out all of the audio you need, like a hardwired Mike in your car. Yeah. Need special? I need to get like shotgun mics that are like special and like point them. I bet on the phone. I need to get special check one over here. Yeah. I bet if you called like Sweetwater or this adds to the people that they would you? Oh, no. No. That's not how I'm going to die. How are you coughing at the mention of Sweetwater? I'm coughing at the mention of like working with audio people no offense to our audio. I just I mean, I know that is the solution. But it's just like they would sort that out for you start off the bat. But this is hard because the vibration, translates like the whole frame of the car. So don't go into audio because their personalities are wonderful. I hope I hope our audio people didn't hear that. What are some jobs that you go into because your personalities are wonderful? I can actor. I wish my car needed acting. I call Joel McHale. I've, I've had them in my car. It's makes the car better at acting. Great actors are great. Very pleasant people technically psychotic. I mean, their job is to pretend to cameras aren't there takes a little bit of boop. But I mean, they don't make that your problem formers. I don't trust that. Actors are good people just trust that. They're being good at acting right there personalities. Yeah. Are great. Well, there acted personalities are. Yeah. There their front facing right? Yeah. Personality is the part that you have to touch. Right. It was great. It doesn't have audio guy sweat on it. You're gonna suffer now by not having like you're going to have our audio guys are gonna put far sounds all over the rest of the show. Slurp slurp sounds, but that would be pretty cool to trick out your car with Mike. So you could just have always a camera on you. And always have Mike's on you that you could just do whatever you wanted. Yeah. I wanna I wanna take that on a little hobby. Get excited about the technical application of because I find that when I get into just when I by the time I get I get that figured out, that's when I start to like I lose interest in the creative. Why don't you call up the people that do cash cab or something like that? Just say, hey, I you know, I do. Yeah, I'm going to I think there's people I could I could bring into it. I just kind of. Why don't you do cash cab? Yeah, what you get it all figured out. You just do cash. I think cash cab doesn't drive very fast. So like what did you hit a certain speed? It kinda changes the nature of the vibration in New York's, you never go anywhere. Right. You're stuck at a stop light the entire time. And I guess, part of the reason I don't I don't immediately ask for outside help is because I really love going to FRY's. Electronics. They just love to spend a week when you're going to fry do you like finding a clerk there and saying, hey, I know I love that. It's a wasteland. Now I love that. It's like the internet has turned fries into just this weird like ghost town. So you're just free selling in there. And just saying, I think this is what's going to work and I just wondered down aisles in go. Oh, that's good shape. Lega meddlesome. You never see a clerk and go. Hey, buddy, come over here. You see a clerk, be like nervously dart into a back room with a box that they were taping up like their, their job is to windex plexiglass that has all of the shit locked down. That could be stolen invaluable. And then the only people there, people that are that need like shit that you, you can get faster by driving down to FRY's than you. Can't on 'em. Lip or something when you had your fish tank angular leaf ik fixed into the wall of your place. You didn't just go free style that you had somebody on the phone Aaron doing that. Wait, what size. At some point, you've reached out to like strangers and said, I need help with this. Like, like let's make this great. Oh, you mean the ongoing eight year process of trying to make my house able to play Phil Collins song when I wanna hear one? Yeah. That one point two million dollar project consisting of, like team after team of fucking professionals coming in for consultations and then ripping the walls apart and putting more fucking. Ethernet cable throughout it. And, and asking me more questions and only to tell me that, like, what I want doesn't work with whatever the fuck and like yeah. That little hobby, not satisfying, which is which is why I kind of, maybe that's part of you, making me realize, like, I'm like, I like, maybe it's a recourse to myself esteem, and like masculinity or something that I wanna like wire my car for sound and like have control over mixing literally put like a little mixer on my dashboard, or something just don't kill yourself in your car. I make sure that, that your is run the road leads already expressed that. And they just I find that every time I watch your, your videos. I love them. And they're hilarious. But I was like, oh, don't die on camera. But then you wouldn't have done chemic- you go back and edit them and put lyrics. But when I tell you that, of course, driving carefully year, like, yeah, but your eyes are darting all around. I'm like you're watching. Dr defensively. I've never been in a car wreck. They guy okay? I'm a defensive driver. I when I'm seeing you can see me being like. I have my own hangups about people like worrying about people getting car wrecks and so that's my own. I wish I was so good at singing lose myself into it enough to have a car accident. And I think that's selene Dion. You're thinking about. I'm not going to be like. Close my eyes like Mariah Carey, or something, I'm gesturing the notes using. Using? Hey spencer. Hey man, what's up? I'm just sleeping here. Right next to Tom Jones. He's keeping me way, I'm sleeping next to you, and Tom Jones to, but look Webre. Oh, wait. Is that Ringo Starr, famed beetle? Yes, it's pretty cozy here on this Queen mattress by purple, but it so comfy, who cares? We got to musical legends Ringo. How did you sleep last night? Oh, a slip toll ROY over. Overly thin old gouden sleep. Okay. Poeple mattress. I'm also, Ringo Starr. Does to say think all the drum, and we could do together to Ringo's. We'd be like duo lingo someone taking that name yet. 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I'm sitting right here. Oh, I thought you were sleeping because it was so comfortable. Getting up in it. What's the fucking late night show? Host that I don't know. He had selene Dion and his coordin-. Yeah. And he brought selene Dion in his car and they just did karaoke in his car. It's, it's great. It's really good. Then the whole time I'm worried that they're going to die. So you can wire car for sound is what I'm hearing. Yeah. Got to figure it out. They probably had a guy laying down in the backseat with a boom mic and ship. That's how. I've performed in cars. There was always a boom guy in the backseat real. Yeah. They probably had a sound mixer lane down in the back. I saw guy YouTube video. He's like he's like, oh, here's how you podcast in your car and he had like a pre amp that he recommended in love. Mike you put the love Mike on your seat belt. But I thought I got everything that he recommended it sounded like shit. I don't know if I don't know the thing might be you can't get on the freeway or something. It definitely helps podcast in my car too. But the freeway the faster you go when you hit say thirty five it gets worse, forty five is a lot worse. And then there's different consistencies of roads. So like some roads when I get on it gets all fucked up. But if I stick to other ones, that's fine. I'm surprised that sound doesn't work like green like video and that you could just say, hey, here's a here's a sampling of the sound of my car on the freeway remove that you're on this audio. You can. I don't think it's perfect. But you could definitely do that definitely helps it's because it'll take it'll there's a part of me saying the word pickle. That's also using the same. Same part of the audio spectrum, as like the sound of the freeway. And so it'll, it'll you can't do it without me sounding like. Because you're removing freeway sounds from my throat, there's all sorts of like inbetween though. Like you can definitely get it like better. And then there's also just like the better audio apps have just a way till remove sounds below a certain threshold. So like when you're talking or something or when you're not talking if it's too quiet you just won't hear that. So if it's like a low road, sanity will just be gone satisfying about the pursuit of sound. Oh, yeah. It's I love sound sounds so cool. And it's like it's different. I dunno. Video editing probably the same. But I just like audio editing. It feels so powerful you can just really get your hands on it. And like rip it apart and do stuff to it and doing such a thing as perfect. Silence. And you know, yeah, just like ways to like optimize, but it's like beyond working in black and white. It's like you're just working in sound. And it's like it's like a I think I could see the appeal of that where you're like fool. In this world. I wanna do. I wanna do sound sound design and stuff that could be cool. Yeah. Hey, you wanna? You want me to give you a little starting library of stuff shore is a champagne cork. Holy shit. Here's here's here's a window opening. Old old timey Choo. Choo trains, starting up. To fit Cica chip chick chick chick a chick. That's right. Yeah. Thank you. The, the battle of Stalingrad. Does. Boot. Wow, there's a German guy in their German submariner. They were. They were fighting the Germans someone exciting. Found one that boots. That's, that's the weirdest part of that movie does boot is when the guy, you know, just looked at the camera and says, daas boot, he doesn't do that. How about? Can I give you more sounded is? You want, like a scary haunted house, probably just for just general purpose haunted, house atmosphere. Okay. Where? Blow. Blow. How there's a cowboy in there, okay, fighting both the Dracula hosts give give me. Dracula, hitting your toes started fighting each other, just put a cowboy in your haunted house. He'll, he'll sort shit out. Dracula, waking up and realizing he needs a shave and shaving. So this is can't drag it will having morning shave count. Dracula, waking up. He needs a morning shape. Yes. Well, first of all. I try I try. Trick drank trying killing himself, right? Whatever morning means to. I think it could be the opposite of cockatiel do midnight when the strip is hot gets out. Blown. Blown the. Ear. Oh, blah. Oh. Blow that last part was him going like I don't have any blood. So I cut myself, shaving bef de big fuck and Dracula wouldn't. He be full of blood after good night's sleep. PB he'd be all be weeks. Hungry wakes up at midnight, Hong Hungary needs. It's why it's half of the reason he's in waking up right for breakfast. He's I just I just bled Neg mcmuffin. I now I'm hungry. I used to. Well, I mean, I'm saying I don't even think anything comes out. I think whatever he got the previous night, I son up spiders, spiders, spiders, come out. Okay. I mean, look, you're free to interpret the let's say. Let's say. Robert deniro is. Is having a bad time in the back seat of an Uber. Proper. Yes. You going museum? Down museum. Yeah. Let's say Robert out of that because he's having a bad time gets into a helicopter and then starts along more. Okay. I just know I turned, I turn, I go to western don't take, western don't take western don't just go to Franklin. I take sweetie. You don't know let me out just let me out of the lemme out lemme out lemme out. Lemme out of the let me out of the also an English and illness goes by seventy. Fuck sake. To keep you. Throwing can't open it, while the change house going. Lot lot more. Changes gears is still going. Somebody these two teams. Ken is there. The here that. That was the law was going again over was on top of it. Yeah. I mean, the choppers drowned out by the law, more come on man recipe. Russia. Yeah. That's a deep track for us. What I meant Dan in ninety four. Well, I mean you're talking about Roger he can rest in peace. Reggie breeze comedy. Sports sound effects guy. He's buried with microphone. I was at little with Danny devito and. Can't opener though waiter who's, like taking our order and, and was like, Danny devito is like. Chicken parmesan. It's the size of a manhole cover you wanna split it. I was going to order chicken parm too, and like, all right. Well, we'll split the chicken parmesan and the, the waiters like. He's kind of weird look on his face. Like he's kind of like fidgeting and. Finishes taking order. It's a big table. Full of people doing a little project with the devito clan, like like sitting here, rare dinner with, Danny devito fun waiter, waiters, like fidgeting. And he's like, yeah. So, okay. So you wanted this that and then he's just like. He goes like. Michael Keaton's here and. Like a little every day. Almost the staff there. It's a fancy place. There's a lot of celebrities comes nervous about you, and Danny devito. He was nervous that Michael Keaton was sitting right over there. He's he. I mean, the because Batman was in, in the same restaurant as the penguin is oh, and shit way to the waiter was, like it's like. Like like like like the waiter waiters. There are like they know better than like there for all they know they're gonna get like yelled at fired who knows like for. Los Angeles, general culture. If you're supposed to treat famous people like ghosts, you know, you're not supposed to 'cause they dress funny, and they have unfinished business the. The more you acknowledge them. What are you a tourist like get out of here, especially if you like your server like a place where there's like traffic celebrities like? I imagine your manager it'd be like fucking, Kristen Dunst come through here and you fucking like Astra for a selfie, you piece of shit. That was the first famous person ever came in this restaurant, she could've turned into three famous people, but chased her off sputter imagine that. That's what it's like that. There's a culture unconsciously or not. And so it's just extra funny for him because he was clearly. So the irony was too much for him. He wasn't like star fucking. He was like. Michael Keaton's here. It's too much. I can't Harris. I think it was like if Christopher Walken elected and it'd be forgotten and davita like, like, like, maybe how go talk to him later. Like like, like. All right. All right. Baller? And then later on here comes Michael Keaton. And I, I was like, well. Oh, yeah. Like I thought we settled. Yeah. Like guys, not here. And Michael Keaton kinda he's carrying a toddler like but not as own. Yeah. There was a screaming woman thing. Stop stop. Stop that famous band. My toddler Batman, so my baby hoity, very, very late confidently dad thing where you got the kid sitting on your bicep kind of thing kids that kind of just, you know, situated on the on the one arm and carrying him. And, and then he and then I think he was yes, Anding my bit of like whoa. You know. Like cookie can kinda looked at Danny, and then like. I just thought it was so funny. It was like he like, I, I really don't say this disparagingly, I'm like God to get so old adapts such a full life that you like you played Batman. And you just kind of forgot what Batman is. Like like he's just like maybe it's like Godzilla. I don't know. Oh, yeah. We fought in a movie. These guys don't know for all they know they were the mummy in like in Franken berry. They're just happy to see each other. The best. But then the crazy thing is the two famous people they get. The they talk to each other, but it's like table. Full of people are participating in the joke like a spectacle, but then you have to stare at the table and wait for them to finish talking because you, you're not friends. You don't know these people is they just talk about God knows what. That's great. Yeah. And then Jim rash was there from from community. He was outside in the front and Levi's like Jim rashes here. And I was like. That should be the new thing. No matter who you meet. Cool. By the way, you know, not to be this guy. But just to report in like Michael Keaton looks fantastic. He's out there looking fantastic right now. Birdman had Jim Raskin, Birdman. Yeah. You're right. I mean he's just out there. Looking good Jim rash. We'll get a little sketchy. I heard, I heard he's gone jacked. No, he did like yeah. You look like he's probably. I mean he always was pretty fit. I believe it. I don't believe it. He was with his writing partner. And yeah, they were and he was telling me about the project. They just finished doing I all soom. I'm not allowed to talk about but whatever I don't know. It was sounded exciting. Whatever this has been the celebrity. I excited forgot I was at a restaurant with fucking Batman. I saw recently, you didn't tell me. Like everything in me, it was like, God damn it you fucking like, like what a waste did you know, like like you can't though I it was it was impossible like like do. Could get a photo, you know, like like be separating them. And, and that's what a what an Instagram that would have been what we call a golden Graham. You guys you guys. Instagram. You, you have given it a heart. That's why you're, you're an influence her. Yeah. Yeah. You never know when you're gonna get one of those that I know that guy that's Batman. Oh, there he is the penguin the middle. So, and so I've been watching the, the berries, berry HBO, great show and years ago, I was at a airport. Maybe I've said this before and somebody walked up the Henry Winkler, who was just waiting for his plane, like at the gate, sitting in the chair and some, Mr. Winker. I'm a big fan. Can I get a photo? And he goes, no. He wasn't mean about it. Very no. I'm happily, not taking a photo with you. Malcolm McDowell airport told this one on the show. Down from fucking clockwork orange in what entourage. I think I don't know that McDowell was we're in Calgary airport and he was looking at magazines at the bookstore place. It has crap books and magazines and Eminem's and whatnot. And a guy walks up like a young young, kind of fan boy, comes Mr. McDowell huge fan of yours. Can I please get a photo or an autograph? And he goes, no. And the fucking kid just. Boned out. And I was like I was watching this go down. That was fucking harsh told the story before you must stop me. I have but it's not the cowboy hats because in Calgary stampede they give you the cowboy hats, so we didn't show, and if you if you're performing Calgary the chamber of commerce give you a white Stetson hat with a maple leaf on it. And it's like it's a big symbol of honor from Calgary. So me, Greg Proops Ryan, styles chip, s and that we all have our hats and we're all getting on the same plane together, and Malcolm McDowell's in front of me. And he has to. So we're all out in the first class, we've all got cowboy. I. Bet you did. But it's like I don't know. It's so long ago. I don't remember if we both forget that who cares. Let the audience I mean, but they're helpless their hostages. Let them sit there. And remember when you marry remembering stuff? You should have took a picture. So we're getting on the plane, and he's in front of me. I'm number two getting on and he's got his cowboy hat just told this poor kid of bone. Politely asking for interaction with McDowell. And he didn't dig it and. So he's in front of me, and we're waiting to get on the sitting our seats and he's in a row one, and I'm in wrote to, and he's putting his hat up in the been. Oh, I see. You've got a hat, too. I just trying to find a way to talk to him. And he goes, oh, yes. Yes, I see. Oh, yes. Yes. I see you've got yours as well, if how did you get your loss? I'm wearing like skinny jeans, and like motley Crue shirt, like I, I said, well, I'm a professional bull rider. Hugh. Okay. Now, I remember. Oh, no. Oh, I wish she wouldn't have said that he would have been so happy that I was a professional bull rider wanted to eat that Joe, Joe Pantoliano steak, what matrix matrix. Wow. That's the lost me on that one. But I got you the state was more delicious. Yeah. And then we watched him overact while he was learning his lines for the whole flight. I wonder what it takes anecdotally. I think to myself, like, like, like what, what would it take to ever arrive at a place where someone you know? Acknowledging like recognition of somebody being like, hey, look, there's Dan Harmon in line at FRY's, you know, like, like, I'm like, like, like, what would it take to make that so fucking like like you would be like no, like, I, I know the I'm not an actor. And obviously have you ever done? Have you ever been in a bad mood? And somebody walked up in wanted to something. The I've I've, I've only been I think we've talked about this before I've, there's only been like probably two instances in my entire life of anyone ever talking to me, like in that context, and it was only it was the person was look, I'll be honest with you. I'm not a huge fan of the fucking autograph guys that sometimes like come out here and I'm sorry if you're in the audience, because if you are that I miss judge you because part of why I don't like it was I don't even think they come into the fucking show. I think I don't think they really give a fuck and they like they, they start your strike this tone of, like that's based on the shared culture. We all have, which is you should be grateful for somebody to want your autograph, which you should. But like they, they build on that mythology and use the same going like, like at festivals and stuff is people that they don't know who you are. They just like they get like some heads up about who you are like. There to collect these piles of fucking signatures. They don't give a shit, and then that's fine too. But, but like the way that they, then they try to they play into your guilt, like they come on. Come on, man. I've been out here all day. They say shit like is so inverse to like, come on fuck. You can't high road me. And like that's like that's it. It's just people that, that are disingenuous. Nobody nobody. That's like hat in hand. I told the story of the of the guy at the billiards place like did everything wrong. But I still wasn't mean to him ever is just like made fun of him on the show like later. But because he didn't really know who I was he thought I was just in and he didn't like whatever, but it's still just I truly curious because I'm sure the answer is like really wonderful. Like what is it that happens to the Barbra Streisand's of the world, the Malcolm McDowell? Like what stories do they have about p? People just wake just must be horrible things that have happened to them. Because e allow the I know went up to, like, George Harrison at the airport. LAX was eating breakfast. Anyway, Mr Harrison autographing. He goes no fucking having breakfast. Like you don't get to walk up an interrupt every three co workers and, and one of them got shot doing this. Grefe twenty five percent of the people that do what I do die this way, I'm not. You're not catching these stoked. How much do you get rumbled for being Spencer walking down the road? I really pretty rarely is it kind of uncomfortable for you. I'm fine with it. It's great. You know, the thing about pictures, I always tell people who are awkward like think about pictures and autographs is they really framed, the interaction, you know, you know what they want you know, in, they have it and they know that they can now leave satisfied. Whereas if they don't ask for that they kind of just like orbit and say, things like so nervous, I don't know what to say. You probably think I'm a loser, and it's like, well, you're not giving me a lot of other option. I guess I do. Okay. I mean, it's fine to talk to people too, but it's just like, but when you ask for an autograph, it's like, yeah, then you can shoot the shit or something. But then they're like, oh yeah. Now I have my autograph. I'm good to go. And so that's always great. But it's very rare for. For people, you know, sometimes people just want to ask a lot of questions in seems like they're just searching for questions to ask. And that's not always the best. But even that's not the the worst time. I had was like this really drunk. I wanna say Chicago or something that was like no joke. Wanting me to like get in on his business opportunity like one of you to buy a timeshare some shit. It's like I don't want any this, and there's other people that want to talk to me, too, and I want to talk to them, and I don't want to buy your timeshare, or whatever, you know, that was the worst. But it's always really great. I work with this guy who said I don't know. It was like one of these beetle guys he worked with one of these beetle guys in Britain. And he was drawing little doodle. You guys are we talking about Ringo Starr, what's going on here? Yeah, it might have been George Harrison. I don't know. It's one of these beetles guys don't know. When you worked with one of them, I worked with a guy who worked. Beetle. Guy. Yeah. Okay. I would've remembered if I worked with the Bill by your job to remember. Yeah. Right. Exactly. But he, he was like drawn a picture, and then and then he put he put it down. And, and then like one of his assistants came and took the picture and put it into a folder, and like wisc did away. And he was like, why, why did that just happening is like, well, the these people stole my lyric set on my car, and they're, they're gonna museum and they won't give them back now. So now I have this guy, and he takes all the stuff I touch in the photocopies keeps it away from people. That's, that's like a level of fame where you probably are just like your worldview must be upside down. Just because it's like people will just with your shit Paul McCartney for sure. It might have been Paul McCartney. Yeah. I told this story when I was, I was south by I was, I was on the same flight as Paget Brewster, and she she they were people waiting outside the airport for her, which was a different level of, like like not just waiting outside the airport, because they're celebrities coming around, because it south by, but they had like shit that was Paget Brewster related. But then there are also people that were like they had a bunch of blink pieces of paper photo paper like glossy paper, which fucking. Oh when you sign photo paper, it's like nails on chalkboard. It's like squeeze that squeaky like free like talk about unreliable Harmon what the fuck but, but, like I remember somebody was like, oh, you too can I think, like like throwing me a bone like because there's just blank things they walked into the airport. I'm like, they, they acted like the thought I was famous because I was with you, and she's like, yeah, but you know what? Those people they make me sign. Those blank pieces of. Photo paper. And then they print fake nudes on. Fake nude signed by Paget what I did. That's just blows. That's almost too hilarious to be abuse. Like it's just like, oh, look, I, I mean, it's like what you're selling that, like, look, she signed. Is it like a troll thing? Like sounds like probably the intent is like she did it for someone. She was like intimate with. And it's like stolen. It's like, oh, this is a real thing. She said friend. Yeah. Yeah. She also she also did say that, like she said, she tends to get link pulled aside at TSA checkpoints because. She was on this, like criminal minds show, or whatever, like rated by me, the, to the TSA, people are, like, really into these certain mainstream crime dramas, and like they always recognize her. And she said that, that they'll they had. Yeah. And it's like they're not. I mean, like I don't think she would want me to say imply that they're doing so that they can touch her. It's more like they want to take her aside, and the like then teller. They're a big fan. It's not. They're not going down giving the full business. I think it's kind of, like yeah. Special go check your bag like thing, and then it's like, by the way, can I get a selfie like, like because I would hate to Bligh in this, in this climate, like, you know, like need to take that shit seriously. Like the idea of like that wasn't part of the idea was that they were doing it to, to grope, it was, but it was still fucking crazy. The idea that they're like. Oh, yeah. Random spot. Check your bags smells, like explosives key come over here, by the way, big fan ching. Yeah. I mean you expect more from the TSA. Expense. I'm gonna come over there and grab character sheets of. Okay. Hold on. Did I fill the time? I got to become a musician, because it's like when I moved to LA I was like, hey, let's go see Harry dean Stanton at this like. Hotel lounge. Are you go? See Jeff Goldblum play piano was like, part of the LA culture. Like I either got to like, stop doing this show or learn the clear net or something because it's like dumb. Otherwise, like who wants to tired tired of it. What am I supposed to tell you about? I can't tell you anything about my new house, because then you can come in shoot me. I can't I can't tell you. I'm afraid you'll shoot me because he'll you needing. Who please? Shoot me like oh, what a cool guy wishes he was shot. Snow. There's no there's no, there's no reward. I'm not being provocative or being a dick mass in this question. But have you fired your gun than used it and, like gone to the range my no my actual gun? Now, I'm afraid to fire it because the first thing I did when I bought it as taken apart and clean it put it back together. So now, so now it's a good gun, that's been assembled a fucking idiot. It should just stick around at that says, like a fucking liberal that got scared because Trump got elected this put this together like don't ever pull the trigger. It's gonna blow up in your hands. That's why I want to remove you actually strip field. Feel. Because I couldn't wait to do it was like I was like I always wanted to take a gun apart. And so I did now. Put it back like, well that doesn't seem like it should be rattling. I guess they ran in the movies, but I always thought that was like overindulgent Foley artist every time claiming that goes like this. The gun goes. I always thought that was like, audio guys being like land fucking like Clinton, clink clink, give me give me more clinks on that. But it's like no things really kinda rattle in your hand which it just makes me feel like it's going to blow up when I shoot it. Genuinely terrified, which is good. Because I told the story of the guy in my porch and like Spenser's talked about how they do studies where you touch one of these things in your testosterone goes up and like the danger of having one of these things. It's like it's good to think that it will explode if I fire, like that's that's better than that. Second best in that owning a gun is, is being so afraid to fire it that gives you think you'd probably kill yourself a blob your hand along with the intruder. Yeah. Unless you're trying to kill yourself with a gun, and it's like about the same. That would be amazing. If you've got the gun, and then you're lying. I'm gonna blow my brains out. And then like goes it just takes your hand off. Yeah. And you're like, ow. You call nine one one, and they're like, what's your genius. I blew my hand up, and they're like, sir calm down. What did you what was the thing? You, you. Yeah. Someone sent us it here. Let me put up some someone sent us a me in Instagram message. Just had it. That was about the, you know, Dan says that in the these podcasts, whenever you call nine one one, they tell you to call them down or whatever. And so this is a good story. No. It is guy. I love that. I love our fan community that somebody somebody sent you a message basically saying that they had a they had an experience where. And because they needed to calmly form. Yeah. Shit. I can't fucking hold on everybody. Shut up. Yeah, the guy needed. Call nine one one because he saw someone passed out in the street or something. And he thought they needed, like, medical attention or something. And the rest surprise you. Can't underscore E. Underscore raise writes off topic to this post but driving home today. I found a man passed out in a park, and we'll calmly calling nine one one I was told to calm down. It's so funny. It really happens do they tell you to call them down so much they can't. That's like that's their one one joy in life. You call them calm. They're they're they're you're going to end up in prison. Man. This guy was so calm, ladies and gentlemen of the jury. I'm telling you, I'm going to be so calm, if I call nine one, one that I'm not going to call nine one one, I'm gonna try to fake like panic like, I'm gonna come home. If cody's murdered, I'm going to be like, oh, shit coating murdered. All right. I'm gonna call nine one one and they're going to think I did it because I'm going to be calm, because I'm like compartmentalized, you know, like, I don't know. I have like a fucking thing. It's a problem and then like, so then I'm going to go like. And they're going to be like that's fake. When I there's this situation, I drove by kind of near your neighborhood where some it seemed like some, some plain clothes cops who just looked like guys with guns in their waistband. Like we're costing this dude in a car and trying to pull them out of his car, and the guy was screaming for help and pretty sure because of the cops didn't identify themselves as cops. And so, I was like, I don't know what to do and I called three one one, and I didn't go anywhere. And then I called nine one one, and it was just like Jan the lines are jammed like I couldn't get through. And I'm like it's a good thing. This isn't an emergency happening to me. I'd be out of look, I have to I have to meet with an estate planner, which is a meeting that is just really easy to keep canceling. Sure like winter, you ever in the mood to have coffee and talk about what should happen, when you die with all your money. And as always like, oh, is that at noon today? Yeah. I I'm folding my socks I kind of feel like that would be fun meeting have. Yeah, I keep a note in my iphone updated willing to my competitor. Because here's what I want to tell the prison, I'm going to be like, because I told Cody as like, yeah, I got a, you know, we're getting a house together. I definitely here's what here's a nightmare scenario something, God forbid happens to me. Let's just call it hit by a bus even though we know that bus is going to be cholesterol. But, like, let's, let's just say it's like sudden and unexpected and it's just done like the idea of loving, Cody moving in a house together. We're not married yet, like and she's just like living in this house that she's not, you know, she chose it with me, but she's not like you know, she doesn't have a claim to it. If I die. And then, like, also like some horrendous relative from Wisconsin. Who knows? I like shit town. Yeah. Like, like, like, I don't know. I don't know how that shit works like the probate non stuff. So anyway, I mean, there's, there's a nightmare scenario to be avoided and Cody aware of it. But then I'm like another problem if you're like I'm like driving with Cody and I'm like, yeah, I wanna plan my state, but you need to know. Like I need there needs to be like Schrodinger box here, so that you're not incentivized to kill me like like like. She's like, well, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna kill you. That's what she'd say. She's gonna kill you. All right. That's, that's what you'd say if you were going to kill me, but and I'm like, look, here's, here's what I'm gonna do when I plan my estate, I'm gonna, I'm gonna have no matter. How unmistakably issued death is like, let's let's say I'm worth five million when I die. I'm just picking a number that's based on when you look up the thing. It says what are they worth dot net or whatever it's says, I'm worth five million? I'd I don't know what that means. I think they're counting the fish tank, but the let's say, let's say that's what I'm worth. And then, so I'm gonna put in my in my will a million dollars is earmarked for a private investigator doesn't even matter for like a heart attack smart, he gets he or she you're welcome thing two hundred thousand dollars for expenses. To launch an investigation as if my death were mysterious even if it's not mysterious if it's mysterious four hundred thousand but the remainder of the million payable upon conviction of the murderer. So here's Cody cody's, like. But that means he's he would freight me. I'm like, what it means is your job is to keep me alive. It also she she'll, she'll be she'll have a vested interest in trying to make herself as look is innocent as possible and keep tabs in that way. No matter what she's plotting just means win. The pizza comes if I'm a certain amount of drunk like, don't make me go down for it like their stairs here. Like I you know, you could end up in jail people will assume you murdered me or like she'll videotape you while you do that. She'll just start wearing a gopro everywhere, up body can't. Just put mysterious circumstances. I'm like, oh, yeah. Right. So you can like crush up at her all and put it in my vodka. And like oh, yeah. What a non mysterious heart attack that would be a break. Everyone's just waiting for me to keel over from a hot dog. I want that shit investigated. Yeah. I think that could be really fun. You could put some more money to like document in the process, and like make a movie out of it. Yeah. Put it on net flicks. The death of Dan. I wonder if you can if you can make do it like percentages, like whatever my net worth is you probably can't ten percent. She'll go to private investigator. Yeah. It's that's, that's a death. I could have fun planning. You know, if they autopsy of your body, though, like maybe make it look gross. Is that cool? Yeah. Okay. I already look gross. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you said it, the cursory look, the more people understand. And I, I did well with my life, you know, like, like, like, like, oh, he looks gross. Why is he why am I looking at his body? I'm like, yeah. Exactly sucker. I'm not Marilyn Monroe and you're looking at me. Naked dummy looks like talented fuck face keep looking. Taking every fucking jerk. That's why I don't put a piece of tape over my laptop camera. I'm like take it in. If I can look at my little dig. Record every fucking second of it. Put it in the library of congress, make a statue of me jerk off fucking spies. Cares. Do you magic? Like what if became like a? What kind of like activist do you have to become like how much of a threat do you have to be before? The NSA uses secret footage of you jerking off on your MAC book, like they just really like, how would that work on anybody, you know, like this modern day? And okay is causing too much. Trouble is suggesting people should withhold their income taxes, until medicine is socialized. But did you know he jerks off? Geoge enough jerking off coming up coming. You could see the come in this one. Look at that comb. Oh, what am on-street jerks off, like gonna work? Gonna to work on anybody. Yeah. That would be a refreshing world. I hope that leaks. I hope I hope footage of all of us jerking, off leaks, you could leak it. Starting making cO YouTube. Not only have your camera on your computer open put a green screen behind the NSA could really make it fun. I always kinda I throw in little things hoping I can like trigger something. I'll be like jerking off. I'm like, yeah. You link out. Guida. Guida you link. You like win. Al-qaeda comes on your tits. That's pretty good. That'll really do it. Especially DD. You giving us brand new stuff here. You moved us over from Pathfinder. I see to d based thing. So I'm going through my exciting. New character spent a good portion it yesterday. Converting all your character sheets to fifth edition. Wow, fifty thins. And you put our spells abilities on special groovy, little cards. I made spell cards. You made these, these are Iran. I did and Photoshop them. But I glued them onto note card did I love this you've given little dots for ones that are always prepared for my spells, I tried to do you know, I, I don't know. It's, it's, it's fun. It's like an arts and crafts task. I'm digging man. I read this all night long, and less. Let's just read your spells. Let's start out with that. You gave the gave me a list of group inventories. So, yeah, I used to just give Steve Levy that sheet a group into bring Steve leave everybody leaving. Let's see. New new new stuff, come in with some energy. Where where is show biz? Used to. Sleeve. Fed us we opened in pre nights. Le-. Let's check in with you briefly because we have we have a lot of inventory stuff to talk about here. Oh, yeah. What's going on? How are you things? Good things are good. Yeah. Yeah, you got a neat little. Well short and haircut going on there. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. How's things on the romance world? Or should I ask? Things are good. You gotta squeeze now. Yeah apart. You got a partial. I got squeeze. Maybe schools, we have confirmed, Levi's squeeze Houston. We have Levi's. The I was about to ask why, why, why don't you tell me it's like, well, the answer is obvious because I'm I won't reward you for it. I mean, I've more pressing matters to talk to you about, you know, like we got a lot of. Hold son of a gun. Member. When I got drunk in New York. And I sent you a nice textile. Yeah. No, I I'll never forget that text. Damn. It was it was a pretty. It was an amazing text text. It was just, you know, it was like the nicest thing. Because we have to start DND like beginning of the show, because we're never gonna ever whatever I like talking with Levy. I don't care if we ever get to it. But like Spencer, all the mazing paperwork here. I feel like sounds like you kind of care. I do care Spencer. I'm very excited about this. I do mean the stuff I say when I'm drunk, by the way. Yeah, no, I don't think unless it's racist, right? I haven't that stuff is just like now. I'm going through all this text. Validating how much he meant it. Yeah. About building seven is just that. Stuff about you being a good friend to me, wishing the best for you. That's, that's just the polar ice caps of. The world. All right. Let's I think the best we can do Spencer before the time runs out is that we just go through where you set us with a new DVD. Addition, kind of set up here. Yeah. Well thing is if your character she has a little spot for personality traits bonds and flaws, so maybe we should work those out. I know that will be signing audience, but it's helpful and it might help you get some get some get some get some get set some get some. Yeah. About getting some okay so personality traits, you guys. Okay. So you remember we'll obviously jeffer- members. He likes fire. Do you guys remember your characters at all dairy? Diarrhea your into. We know you love horses for some strange raisins. I know my character, all right. Will then it should be easy to pick a personality, trait or two. And how does that help us throughout the game play because then, you know, that that's kind of part of your character like, like I would say, you know, lately Chad has been like he's trying to kick the bee's nest or something, you know, that's just kind of who he is. So if you if you write that on your character, and then you look at it like, oh, that's who I am. You know, got you so this, this box on the right are the traits are Vic to those top. Right. One or two. Yeah. The top rate we could do this later. I guess you didn't right? Oh, I got right in anything myself. Yeah, that's the idea is that we'll kind of reacquaint you guys with your characters now that they're new and fifth addition, you can't put like constantly finding treasure. That's not. No, that's not. That's a dream, not a trait. Right. To hit more what he attacks that I would fly. It'd be a good. Example of a personality, trait. Let's say for Chad. The fire Liker I would say he's, he's Itchen for adventure lately. That's been a big thing of year, like we can't be fucking potato, farming. We I'm going to call that wanderlust. Yeah. There you go. I like it dumb. I'm just trying to courage. No, I know you have to I do have to, but it could help or not ideals about ideals is like what you value, kind of like your your virtue. Like what you what you find important. Yeah. Think about that one. Oh, yeah. We'll like fire, for instance, we know I like fire, but is that more like in a spiritual or philosophical? Yeah. Bonds probably better than ideal. Honestly, bond is like what, what you care about. What if it was rob rob from, you really get your goat and make you like murder people or go out and find stuff. I'm flaws flopping. Personality flaws. Yeah. Yep. I'm afraid of that art. Yeah. See I. Actually read like or you could just come up with a new. I'm gonna use the audience because you guys have listened to the show and you remember. So somebody, let's, let's spitball. What are Chan's ideals? Virginity. I don't know about that. Courage. I like it. My deal would be courage. Current doesn't mean I'm courageous just means I wish I were more courageous you value. Yeah. You, you wanna like brashness almost and what's my bond. Yeah. And burning. Bond with fire. And, and CHAD'S flaw. EM's no yams. What's the Arabs? You just wanted to say yams. What's he is impulsive and brisk impulsive? Okay. I'm taking the ams. I wanted to say. Levy you for for my personality traits. I thought spontaneous and easily impressed. I like that. That's great. What about your ideals? Can you give me some examples like a pulling the law or always being kind to people kindnesses key kindness is key? Right. That. Then bond. I don't know. Carlos is a bad you. Yeah. Because he's like via kind of figure and and flaws then probably your naive. I imagine. Right. So naive. Very go. Hell. Yeah. This is better thought. All right. Not going up. What are your personality traits? Well, I feel like I'm insecure. I like that. I mean do you think it's a good strategy and a medicine to like to embrace the way you're tending to play. Or do you think it's a better idea go against that? So that you don't like fall back on that because I tend to be. Insecure in my playing. But maybe if I was playing a character like, oh Mike characters like Louise Jani beg Donut. How how about you? The ladder is a little better, but it's probably not how about one of your traces over thinking. I could be one Mike characters always liked to be just relaxed in not rock the boat. But I'm not suggesting that your ideals how do you say over thinking like personality traits? Neurotic worst worrier now Rattigan's neurotic. That's, that's seems like a good my ideals. I would say like like like virtue, like, like, what kind of like, you know, like I want to do it, right? Virtues good. I want to leave the world better than I you know, like I want, just redemption. Redeemer. There's a redemptive quality what you wanna do you want to kind of redeem. What's gone wrong? Yeah, I wanna wanna be a good person, and I want, here's some tradition. Charity power faith. I'm just list off not like good idea. Other radio beyond creativity. Friendship aspiration independence fairness. Okay. I think I think they all. The head the masthead of Justice, righteousness. Whatever I mean because these are ideal. They're not necessarily reflective of what I do. It's what you what you aspire to, I guess. Right. Yeah. I want to be known as a good guy. Right. Exactly. When I'm dead. That's, that's exactly where I want. I want to all right on 's okay? I'm going to change mine from courage to, to purify care like fire. Bonds like so bind something. And if it was taken away from you, you also be a motivation like this is someone stole my precious instrument someday. Dale get it back. That's a barred. I. Oh my. Yeah. Your potato for I oh my guild, a great debt for forging me into the person I am today. Well, what about control? Is that cheating like control over what control? Like I mean for, you know, like what I've been doing, like, I what's the potato farm really about? It's not about my love of potatoes. It's about me, wanting my narrative, you know, like I don't want other people to be in charge of. That's too esoteric. It should be something more like my Spurs. Maybe my pet Cobra part of it's supposed to be like, like a hook for your motivation so, so control could be something. But I think it also kind of content away from things too. That's english. Striking out today. Well, I'll put control-freak under flaws. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's good or. Yeah. Which doesn't mean controlling others necessarily. It's just like. Very cautious to surrender troll. Yeah. But like a bond is like everything I do is, for the common folk, or I will do everything to protect this house or something. You know. Yeah. Well, it could be maybe something to do with the church like. Like you want to maybe, right? The wrongs of the church you never wanna reflect the corruption that you've seen in the church or something like maybe my actual relationship with silver flame. Because even though I have a bunch of problems at the way, the church is run by if anyone ever, tell me like you're a bad Catholic, like plain and simple, like it would drive me nuts. Right. So like so it's like like my bond with my God. You know, super important doesn't necessarily mean that if I get into fight with the pope, I'm going to be anything more than conflicted. But right. But when it really comes down to, like, I really buy into the silver flame, Michigan personal relations, because this along Dan is, is there a part of your character that wants to be kind of reinstated in some way, or are you so out cast? And so they want to be purified, the church of the slice into purification. Yeah. Me too. But, like, yeah, I think that there's like stains on me that I don't think can be like scrubbed clean, except by, like extreme like, you know. Deeds of like, like, righteousness. That's like, like something that would black out all the memories of, of maybe just being a flawed. You know. You know fallible terrible, like like complicated clumsy person. Yeah. Well, that's gonna be a bond is like a need to fix the sins of the past, or something for redemption. Or redemption. I yeah. All right, redemption. It could be a sentence or anything to just gets the concept across. It could even be reloaded town. I'm just not going to remember. It was I look at that. It's just bonds redemption. I'm not gonna be like oh, yeah. Yeah. That's the thing. A lot of these, they recommend, like sentences that kind of have some flair that are kinda, like tag -able asking. I like fire, but my bond has to be something more what I'm bound to right. I mean it's just what's important to you, what drives you to things like you could you could be adventuring, because your little sister is poor. And so you send all your treasure back home to make sure your family stays alive. That could be put redemption Prentice. He's the idea that it's possible. That that'll yeah, that's great. Like, you know, we're all that's why all of our actions are so important. To me because you can't just love a horse so much that you join a cult. That's the shit. That makes me start a potato farm. Like I'm like, what are we have fucking doing like we spent the last six chapters? Like doing nonsense wanna start fresh potato farm, because I'm a control freak that really believes that we could accomplish something if we tried to, I don't want to. But I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna tell Spencer, do you have my old all my old stuff? Yeah. Give me that after the show and all go back before the next show. And I want to go back and reread everything that I had. Yeah. Well, a lot of that's no longer relevant. Right. But does character stuff? Okay. Yeah. No problem like your notes and stuff. Yeah. I got all that great Spencer. Whatever happened to patch in Jim. That's a great question. I wanna say patches was kidnapped by someone at the town. And then, so I really can't remember it. If anyone I was gonna ask, if anyone can remember, but I feel like they'll fuck it up. So we've kind of just like scrubbing the slate here. Like a race. The board just starting. Yeah, it is like a reboot. It's like you know, it's like. We put blue contacts in. It's kind of Alba's is I think it's like universal had the rights to the whole getting out. His is right. Yeah. It's like it's like, oh, yeah, we're switching from shady spider-man's to the ones where he's just iron ironman junior right. Yeah. I, I think patches, Jim got stolen. It went to the town. You guys went to the town to find it. I don't think you found it. Unless did he did they find it? They did find it down patches jam. But then they didn't find Patchett's patches. Disappeared. Okay, great. That's what I thought happened patches run off. No. I felt really fucked with me like patch like I don't I don't need don't want you guys to help me, that's why he went to the town, and you follow them into the town anyway. And then he mysteriously disappeared, but going forward any of as early hangover from our previous quest that we still feel as unfinished business, or we are we driving forward into new, we'll find out. I mean, the ghosts of your pass might come. My come back. But I don't think you care about it, too much because you've spent a lot of times. Okay. We fucking we suck. We're terrible this on the now the fifth tomb raider. Movie. There is one called tomb raider five. They don't want you to watch the I four. Is going to be some shit in the first four see if you're a huge tomb, raider? Oh, right. It's we're not answering your questions from the previous two. We're, we're just rating another tomb more or less okay? There were some big unanswered questions though. Like we one of the first villains we thought was going to be like probably a big bad destroyed. The church basement. Eaten cows and stuff like that. There was a whole kind of it was like a man. Big, evil demon. Yeah. That was great. Yeah, there's a lot of setup happening whole time beating fam- family. That had nothing to do with anything. It was cool though. I like it. Yeah. Anyway. Sorry about all that. We, we start a fresh it's going to be it's going to be some seriously. And d we have new character sheets, very excited about that on my extra notes, just says, eat my ass. Exclamation point. I didn't write you wrote that I guess I did. I don't know why. Okay, so let's talk about group inventory Spencer group inventory. So I one of the things I figured out was that, well, I used to give Steve the group inventory, she because I thought he was the most responsible. But then I was like, everyone should have the group inventory, and then they'll know what they all have on them. So it's like you're collected wealth. And then the idea was you want it to become farmers. So if you ever wanted to sell your stuff to buy farm equipment, it would be it would be helpful to know. Like you're, you're all the stuff that you could sell and all the wealth. You had because it's not on your. Where's that on this? I don't see equipment. You don't have any okay? We're grassroots. I mean you might have a couple of shovels and stuff. But you haven't really bought a lot of farm equipment. I think you just bought some potato seeds under groups own. Gary have a little bracket here. We have a abo-. Yeah, that's your own stuff. That's like stuff. If you want if you for instance, wants to commit to farming so hard, you sold all your weapons and armor that stuff's on your group inventory. She and it has like monetary value like you could sell your boat for two gold. I dig it. Okay. What are the relics these important anymore? They're just items you have. I mean, I don't the the relics are relics. You never discovered what they were. They were just something you picked up and forgot about because those on Steve's group inventory, a hundred pounds of beef jerky. Yeah. Bag of expire. No, it's beef jerky. Dried for. Meant to live had some gross old beef jerky. I've had some moldy beef jerky. Don't bring it up sensitive sensitive spot for this audience. Be good times fungus, good town and remember that. Yeah. Classic if he's listening, he's gonna blows brains. Thank you. Be funny. No. That would not be. Hello, william. We love you. Yeah. Yeah. Bag of holding. You stole it from that guy who is the mayor of fights Ville one poison pill. You still that off assassin who that was the assassin who took patches, Jim not he didn't take it a different. One did black dragon shards. That was also on the assassin. You didn't know what that did? Right. But you could find out to masterwork daggers, those are more expensive than regular daggers. Those are also owned by the assassins. Okay. These are all like company we all have together. Yeah. It's treasure you found. But didn't decide to split up amongst yourself physically. How're we toting all this about with one hundred pounds of beef jerky? It's in your closet in your farm. Okay. So we have a home base, but the jerk he's in a magical bag of holding. It doesn't you don't have to. Oh in the back of holding. Sure. Yeah. So we have all this, so we have eighteen gold pieces, including something else. This is the real dean demand, not all this fucking like these valves. Just creedy. What's in my bag? She was just, just Manchuria man. We have masterwork leather armor. I like that. We've got also off the we've got more gold pieces. We got a bag a we beef jerky. We've got. What's SP SP, silver pieces? They're like dimes. Gotcha. And two more religious relics. Right. Okay. And what are those look like describe the re religious relics their statues of gods like Palomar icons? Yeah. Okay. All right. I guess, not Palomar, whatever it's Palomar. Okay. Well, I picked my spell load out spell cards, I love this card system. I think it's good. Read read what you picked we get. How many we have every day six six right now until you love lobby up? Okay. So we have six to pick company, more will you get, you get your can't trips in your your, your bonus spills, from your circle, and your domain? This is all that. So teric I I'm into this kind of paperwork show. I love the. I know you guys are helpful to me. I really was hoping. Dan, Rosa complicated. Read what you picked. So let's let everybody know what spells I have automatic has come in our light guidance. Guidance you touch one willing creature once before the spell ends the target can roll de foreign add the number rolled, one ability, check of its choice. Bonus bonuses and actual Buffy. Buffalo buff, sacred flame. That's like an attack. Burning hands. That's classic. We know that one. Player's handbook. Fairy fire the what's very frame, it puts it puts magical lights around someone who's invisible or dimly lit and it makes them easier to hit. Scorching Ray blast some fire missiles, that's going to see some mileage. So then those are those are all the ones that I have, regardless. Right. And then I chose as my level one spouse of which I get four creator destroy water detect magic inflict wounds and cure wounds. And as my level two spells of which I get to chose zone of truth. You create a magical zone that guards against deception and a fifteen foot radius, blah, blah, blah and hold person. Paralysis thing. Yeah. Paralyzes dude who? Yeah, I know. And Tony's cody's doctor's name. She thought she thought her doctor's name. She had she had a physical. She's got a clean mammogram today. I think we celebrate that perhaps, to TM women can get their Bubis mushed like whole thing. I can't believe how painful that looks like like, like they don't do that to your to your dick balls, or like like that is insane. But anyways she. Yeah. She's all clear and. She thought her doctor's name was Boone Noni. But it's like Boone ne-near, something like you're thinking of PU Noni anyways. All right. She's been calling her doctor Noni and Iceland. The mammogram machines are warmed. So they're not ice cold. I think it's still mashes your. Oh, that's gotta be the worst part. Oh. All right. Oh, those precious. Bubis. Number one killer of women have boobs. I guess drinks, Heather and Campbell who just survived. Heather on Campbell is she is one of our favorite comedians. Come on this show. I. Yeah, she's just five we were we were on night. Chris Hardwick show with her. She's a improv friend Jeff's, and she's just spectacular person had great. It was great having drinks. She's reading on that twilight zone. Jordan Peele, Jordan Peele, Steve. Twilights on show now. Yeah, we just we just wrapped. I wanted her on Rick and ward. He had like the twilight zone. It's got their hook center, and, but we talked about video games and, and, and her survival of this fucking thing that also our other friend Angela trimmer, like, which I didn't even know until I talked to Heather it was like, oh shit. I didn't follow Angela Instagram. Like it's like, and then I saw Angela party. Two nights ago and. It's crazy. How little time it takes between diagnosis and like it's either you're either fucked or it's over. It's like depending on the process that stuff it's like for, for, for Heather, it was like. She, she got the result that was like you're in the crosshairs of God. 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Chuck Greaves  Eco-Thriller & CA Legals

The Joys Of Binge Reading: The Best in Mystery, Romance and Historicals

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Chuck Greaves Eco-Thriller & CA Legals

"Welcome to the joys of binge reading the show for anyone who got to the end of a great book and wanted to read the Knicks installment we interview Successful Series Authors and recommend the beast and mystery suspense historical and Romance Series. So you'll never be without a book you can't put down. You'll find this episode. Show notes a free e book and lots more information at the joys of Binge Reading Dot Com and now here's Isha Chat Greaves. Had the amazing experience of having his first novels placed first and second in an international. Do Writers Competition that attracted six hundred trace? So it's perhaps not surprising that the former LA trial hasn't looked back since. Hy-vee I'm your voice Jimmy Wheeler and today check talks about his Popular Jack. Mctaggart legal thriller series as well as the luxury oriented star crime-fiction. That's when it come top awards enter growing audience. And we've got three hundred to find paperback copies of one of the main. Take Books Green eyed lady number two in the series as a holiday giveaway for three lackey readers based selling off the Douglas. Preston colder the wickedest read of the year. And I'm sure the lucky winners will agree with that. Assessment details of how to enter the contest can be found on the joys have been reading with side all the bench reading facebook page entries. Cars may sixteen so being. Now get to check in just a minute but in the meantime just to remind the show. It's so this episode can be found on the website along with the details of that great contest at the joys of bench reading Dot Com. That's where you'll find links to check books and site as well as details about how to subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss few tweet besides but now. He is Chuck Holliday. Chuck and welcome to the show. It's great to have you with us. Hello Jenny thank you for having look. You've enjoyed a very full career as an ally trial web before turning your hand to fiction and I'm just wondering how did that transition about what's the some sort of casualness it made you think. I just must try my hand at writing a novel yeah. The catalyst was called a midlife crisis. And what happened was I turn fifty I've been at my fam law firm Whereas partner for twenty five years and I just thought to myself why do I WANNA do with the rest of my life? and I always wanted to write. I'd always been a reader and I bought something I wanted to try my hand dad and I always had this notion that I wanted to live more than one life on this earth and I've been on a particular trajectory for you know fifty years and I thought I'd try something completely different than so. I resigned my law firm partnership my wife did the same. She's also a lawyer and we pulled up stakes. We left La. We moved to Santa Fe New Mexico and I sound started writing. Fantastic just like that. That's amazing so now you've got to rising names that you work on. The CIA graves has written three match. Praise books on the Dick McTaggart crimes theories and then you've also got literary and historical fiction that you're right under the name of see Joseph Grade so I guess those two nine hundred just simply to differentiate those two different John Lewis Ave. Yeah so there's a bit of a back story to that which I'll be happy to tell you. I'm in Santa Fe. Now the year is two thousand six and I'm as I said writing this first novel which was my first Jack McTaggart novel. It was called Hush money and it took me about two years to right. I was really teaching myself how to write a novel and when it was finished I did. What all New Novels do which is to try to find the literary agent in New York and so I sent a query letters various agents in New York and I've received Forum rejection letters back and I probably sent out thirty letters. Probably got back thirty rejections. In the meantime I finished that novel and I'd start on my second novel and the second novel I wrote was something completely radic fan than the first person sort of sunny humorous Lawyer detective novel. Which was the first novel. Hush money the second novel was was based on a true crime That happened in the US in the nineteen thirties. It was a case I just stumbled upon and interested me a lot of research into and so that was calls hard twisted and it was a very different book. Third Person Very Dark Very greedy much more literary and a by two thousand and ten. I had written two novels. I was now four years into this experiment but I still had no agent and no publisher and so what I did was. I entered both of my manuscripts in a writing contest. It was called the southwest writers international writing contest and the year that I entered. There were six hundred and eighty entries in the contest and like a long story. Short hard twisted came in second and hush money came when I yeah so as a result of that I suddenly had a number of Asians contacting me offering to represent me I ended up signing with David Black Asian seeing the work and We sold the first mystery novel. Hush money to Saint Martins minute tar in a multi book deal and then we sold standalone Gritty historical novel to Bloomsbury But they didn't want to use the name Chuck Graves which are used on the first novel Because there was such radically different novels. They'd want there'd be reader confusion so We I didn't WANNA use a pen name. And if the mystery writing didn't work out ended up being you know Joe Schwarz for the rest of my life. So we reached a compromise where we use variations of my name. So that's a long way of saying that my mystery novels are written by Chuck Raves. And my other non mystery novels are under the name. See Joseph Graves remarkable that you could get I and seeking like that after having really not been able to stimulate mattress. That just shows you. That probably didn't even really weighed things. Yeah you know I. It's a really funny business. It's hard to break into and there's there's a big element of luck to it I think there are a lot of the world is full of really talented writers who never got their break and the world is full of really mediocre. Awful sewer are quite successful. That's just the way it is. Yeah so jackass as a lovely character. He's replaceable. He's thought about roguish ref around the edges. My school in the legal formalities. But but he's kind of got a heart of gold. I had the feeling when I was reading. It's almost like a wish fulfillment thing that you wished that no awards and able guys like Jack to make a living. But that doesn't is there any sort of choice in that suspicion? Well you know I. I think the Jack Taggart character probably my fantasy self. Jack Smarter Than Me. Funnier than me and better looking than me but other than that. There's a bit of me in there for sure In the first off. I'm not sure which one you're at but hush money was the first novel to make say because I like. Oh Yeah thank you Well the first novel takes place. He's a he's a a partner he he's he's sort of being tested for partnership At this at this White Shoe Law Firm in Pasadena California. That kind of describes law firm I worked at The fiction law firm was called handler. Grove The real law firm I worked at was called Han and Han in Pasadena so I sorta use my old law firm You know as a model for the setting and you know to a certain extent Jack has made. I find that writing Jack. Mctaggart novels Comes quite naturally to me Writing in the first person handwriting. That sorta breezy voice comes quite naturally to me Whereas when I write the other novels in the third person and try to be more literary I really have to work at it So I'd much rather just spend all my days writing the McTaggart novels but also have this. This notion that I want to be a serious novelist. You know write the great American novel so. I tried to do that when I'm not doing. Jack. That's lovely. Jack is about to become a full book series. I think one of the things I enjoyed about the books is that each one the headquartered interesting backdrop kind of Environment that the story takes place and then you get quite a lot of background information about those environment. So whether it's show drums thing or an upmarket winery or political campaigning. This quite a lot of extra information that comes with the action and the characterization and I wondered if you really did yourself have crystal understanding connections with those words before you write about them with you had to start from scratch and Research Them I. The answer is it was the former so the conceit there is that I try to take Jack and and Plunkett into An alien environment and they can fish out of water. 'cause Jack is real blue collar guy. He didn't grow up with a slipper spoon in his mouth but he finds himself in these Very sort of high end settings as you said in the world of equestrian show jumping or in the World Valley winemaking And as an outsider. He can kind of make fun of Of of those worlds a little bit But in as far as I'm concerned as a writer I am writing sort of what I know so. For example I did belong to an English. Riding Club in Los Angeles Called the Flint Ridge Rock and I am a kind of a wine guy. I you know a lot of wine tourism and in fact now I actually right now. so Those are world that I knew and politics. I was always interested in politics. And what in Pasadena I was the The campaign Treasure and campaign adviser for a friend who who ran for city council successfully so I had some exposure with all those worlds and I thought they were all interesting enough that it would it. Make good settings for Jack and Equity a good foil for the characters he might be in those types of settings. Yeah Yeah so. You've already explained a little bit about how you're trying to lure experienced student or the books. I have seen Refrains to a particular case with the The Weinstein Family Wine Company. You did have a case to yourself. That was relevant to that plotline today. sort of at the beginning of that book. There's there's a story it's not the main story in the book but it's sort of Jack's entry into the Into the case and it's a case in which A wealthy person dies and leaves behind two wives. Okay Jan In the book one of those. Why the person who dies is a film executive? And he you know media mogul and he leaves behind a wife and a mistress. Both of whom claim to be the wife and the mistress sues the life for half of a half of the deceased's estate. And that's how jackets and to Then that whole Napa Valley scene I had a case just like that I had a prominent citizen Client who passed away and behind two wives and That was quite an interesting case and thought that a fun way to sort of kick the call. So yes I have used actual Cases from my practice not too often and never is the main storyline. But I've used them. I had a very interesting Law Practice represented Interesting people including for ten years. I represented Richard Pryor that comedian and We did a lot of fun stuff together and Yeah there's a lot of grist for the mill there but you've taken a sort of right turn or maybe it's the least trend with your most recent book to the graveyard safe because it's quite a departure from the deck McTaggart Crime Series and possibly also from the other historical crime that you've been doing you describe it as pop echoes. Roller Pot romanet. And it's up my commercial fiction so tell us about the graveyard Jay Yeah so even though. I wrote my first five novels while living in Santa Fe I moved into South Western Colorado in two thousand twelve. My wife and I did and we bought a ranch here and like I mentioned vineyard and Each of my books we moved in January of two thousand twelve and the first Jack Book Hush money came out in June of two thousand twelve so all five of the books are already written. Came out while I was living in this new community and getting to know my new neighbors and whatnot and they were quite interested in the process and as each new book would come out. What they say is g. When are you going to write about here? and You know by the time the fifth book came out. I had no more excuses laugh so I thought I'm going to write a about here And so I looked at the setting where I live here in. Beautiful Treat Beautiful Red Rock country and South Western Colorado and There are certain conflicts that exist here. primarily of an ecological nature. I live in a place called mackelmill Canyon which is near the border with with Utah. It's near a place called the four corners in in in in south west and There's two interesting things about look elmo Canyon It's the southern boundary of a what we call a national monuments now national park but it's a scaled down version national park and it's called the canyons of the ancients National Monument and it's where the ancestral Pueblo and people Lived about a thousand years ago quite archaeological sites in and around where I live and the two most notable things about the monument. Our number one It said to have the densest concentration of archaeological sites anywhere in America There are estimated to be thirty thousand ancestral PUEBLO and cleft wellings and other sites in the in the monument the other notable thing about it sits on top of what's called the mackelmill Dome which is the largest and purest co two repository in the world So the extractive industries the oil and gas industry wants to drill wells here pump. Co Two out of the ground. Here and they send it in pipelines down to Texas and Oklahoma and use it To stimulate production Down there So there is this inherent tension that happens here between the extractive industries which want to Drill and put in pipelines and compressor stations and roads and all those good things And the environmental community and the archaeological community that wants to preserve the natural beauty and the archaeological resources around here so that that was like a natural tension existing area. You know Conflict is what is what drives compelling fiction. I thought that was a good Baseline concept around which to build a novel so the novel I wrote is called Church of the saints and I I like it up to a to a Shakespearean tragedy where you have the Cadillac of resource extraction and the Montagues of Environmental Conservation butting heads in the background but in the foreground. There is a love story. I Love Triangle between young woman from this community leaves go to California and comes back and returns to her old hometown. Only to find that the oil and gas industry isn't encroaching on her family's ranching heritage and that's another conflict and the story builds from there and you've got a a news tablets just that one Tory Chris. I understand that a specialist environmental publishing house. I I have spoken to other rules. Wolf is who published by Tori prison. They just crisis very highly. Yeah Tory House. It was like a departure from me. Also because the previous five novels have been with You know major publishing houses and Tori house is a smaller press. They're based out of Salt Lake City Utah and they're a nonprofit and their specialty is environmental literature and The book you know right in their wheelhouse it was set on the four corners has major environmental themes to it. And I know you spoke with Scott Graham that's right. Yeah Yeah and Actually actually met the publishers. At one of Scott's events I went to a local bookstore Scott was speaking and I struck up a conversation with Marc. Baylis is one of the owners story house press and he said you know. What are you working on these days and I told him and he said. Hey that's that's that's what we do you know. Can We take a look manuscript so I said sure and I sent them the script they very much wanted to publish it? And that's how I ended up with Orioles antastic. Yeah Yeah we can't leave talking about your individual books without mentioning. Lucky and Tom because number one. It was charge. And that's a Wall Street Journal. One of the best books of tweets that thing and then in that one US tuned into a novel. Most Kaplan to this shows courtroom clash between powerful mobster Lucky Luciano and a special prosecutor. I gather that this was based on a case of newly discovered documents since I was curious as to how you got your hands on those. So how that came about yeah. That's a good story. Also so I mentioned that I belong to this Riding Club in in California Culinary Driving Club and One day I was having lunch at Flint Ridge after riding with some friends members there and a young woman named CC Levi Whose father had been a very prominent trial lawyer in New York. Back in the nineteen thirties and forties. C- C- Told me that winter father died in nineteen seventy seven She had taken all this Office files if file cabinets and put them into storage and they'd been in storage and a barn in upstate. New York For the past. I don't know thirty some years and I see. Would you mind if I went back and looked at those files because I knew her? Father has defended the famous mobster lucky. Luciano in one of the most famous criminal trials of the century Like Luchino been prosecuted. Thirty six by Dewey Thomas Dewey. Because of that case became quite famous became the district attorney of New York he became. The governor of New York County almost became president of the United States. You may have seen a famous picture of our president. Harry Truman holding up a newspaper. That says Dewey Beats Truman The Headline Thomas Dewey. So he was a lawyer who who almost pick president but he was the prosecutor in the case and CC's father was defense lawyer. So I I she said sure. Go ahead so I jumped on. A plane flew back to New York from California Picked up my brother. We drove talk state New York. We found the barn inside the barn with all. These old tractors and equipment was a car under the tarp. For fifteen rusting file cabinet. We spent the whole day going through the file cabinets until we found. Believe it or not George Morton Levi's Defense file from the case of people versus Charles Luciano so I had possession of these documents. They'll be in the world had ever seen before amazing. Yeah and I thought I I really oh if I ever if I ever become a writer which I had hoped to do. I'M GONNA write this. You know someday. So that was my if novel And it was. It was one of the standalone novels from Bloomsbury. It was I told the story from four different points of view in alternating chapters so I had lucky Luciano character. I had the Thomas Dewey character. Had the George Morton lead character and I had a star witness in the case was a prostitute and cokie flow Brown and she was my fourth point of view character so I told the story through there for alternating points of view and the story begins in nineteen. Fourteen takes us through the roaring twenties into the Great Depression. It builds up to the the trial and then for the trial actually used Snippets of transcript from the actual trial in telling the story. It's quite fascinating store fascinating a date and I gather that it's really nice. The fact that some of the senators maybe saint than some of the hero may prove to be. The biggest tennis ball and that in itself is just a feast for novelist. Isn't that yeah? You know Reasonable minds can differ about this but the result of my research and again I had access to documents that people never had. My conclusion was lucky to show and I got real real And do we really crossed a lot of ethical lines and prosecuting Luciano The main one being that they prosecuted for prostitution even though he was he was like the Godfather. He was ahead of organized crime in America but they they used as their way to get him Prostitution and New York State. And what do he did was he was the special prosecutor appointed to prosecute Organized Crime. He arrested every prostitute in Manhattan. Held them all in jail. And he held him there for months at a time and if they agreed to cooperate with them and penalty him what he wanted to hear then he left him out of jail and put them up and swank hotels and wine them and dine them. They wouldn't cooperate. They stay in jail so eventually he had a handful of prostitutes who who are willing to testify that Luciano was the guy behind the prostitution ring. And that was what? The trial was all about prostitution. They put Luciano on trial with a bunch of pimps and and and thugs and They made him out to be the head of the prostitution ring and they come up with all those other characters during the trial and the jury convicted. Yeah it's probably. He deserved conviction but not under under the exactly. Yeah yeah he was a crook but he wasn't. He probably wasn't that Crook one of the favorite questions that good reads like Dwight school does. Is that one about zero mystery on your own life. That would provide talk for a book and I must admit that I noticed that you had been asked that question and you had the most fascinating answer. Can you tell us about that because it will be Well it was to do with how listed and go that you found when you have hiking right. Yeah yeah so that was. Yeah so all right so years. Nineteen ninety three and I was still a lawyer in Los Angeles was my wife and we were on vacation became out here to the four corners to southern Utah where we now live almost But at that time I'd never been there before I've never been to that beautiful red rocks country that we have in South Eastern Utah and we met some friends from Colorado and we stayed at a very remote bed and breakfast and a place called Valley of the Gods Utah and we were out hiking. One day this was November of ninety three and we were returning to the car and just started to snow so You know when the snow starts to fall things will get hushed Walking along and stumbled upon to human skulls on the ground and I could you not. We've bent down and picked them up and pick them up. Thunderclap rolled down the canyon and shook the ground under our feet. And I was just one of those. Wow moments you know in your life So the mystery you know who skulls were these. How did they get here We were put in touch with a woman who ran the trading post in a place called Mexican hat utah. Which was the nearest town? This is very remote desolate area and A woman there named Doris Valley had written a little history about the the area Little Pamphlet Book. She'd self published and in that pamphlet. She devoted a chapter which was probably four pages long to notorious double murder. That had happened in John's Canyon and she believed that those skulls and by the way she said you're not the first people to find those skulls. Those are are Indian skulls either Navajo or or or Pyeho Indian skulls But but I believe that though scholars are connected to the double murder because I think the murderer who was a man named Clint Palmer killed two Navajos in order to get the sheep herding job which he was holding down the time that he committed double murder so so we went back to La and it was a fascinating story and it piqued our curiosity. And I spent a number of years. This is you know pre gle you know so I was. You know Doing things by mail and by telephone call doing this research into this this double murder and the stories on sold it was really fascinating that basically it starts in dustbowl Oklahoma in nineteen thirty four. And we're a homeless man and his thirteen year. Old Daughter are camping by the side of the road. And there'd be friend by a drifter from Texas who just been released from prison. His name was Clint Palmer and he Befriends the father and daughter lures now to Texas where he kills the father and kidnaps the daughter and so he takes a thirteen year old girl on one year crime and killing spree across the American southwest includes the double murder. The happens in John's Canyon. Utah and ends up back in Texas where he's trying. He's caught and convicted of the murder of the girl's father Novel I wrote. It was called hard twisted again. Very dark very gritty. But it's told from the point of view the thirteen year. Old Girl who Is is kidnapped by this. Man is raped Winds up having his baby which DIS And it's a classic Stockholm Syndrome situation. Where she's with them the whole time just plenty of opportunities to escape but but you know but she's with them all the way until the point that their capture then at that point she becomes a star witness against him and the trial so that was the story and that was the second novel heart. Gosh fantastic I can just picture that moment. You're talking about when you pick up switch starts to fall. It's often eerie. And then having the dash man you must have thought you having visitation. Yeah and you know the place where we were at They they were living in. What's called the dugout now? Dugout was like a crude structure. That back in the Nineteen Thirties People with would desperate people. Living Basically consists of attrition the ground with just a a roof over And this I thirty six year old Clint Palmer and his now fourteen year old captive a Lotta Garrett. We're living in this dugout in John's Canyon. In the bitter cold she just given birth and just lost her her baby. It was just a horrific situation and the dog is still there could see him and I thought my this is a story. Somebody needs to tell how I felt about it. That's great. But we ask that come to the end of that time together so it just looking at your wider career away from the individual books. See when things that you've done it more than any other that you quit with the secret of your success so far. I mean being privileged two major publishers and now Tori House as well And you've won lots of awards and things. What have you done right? Do you think can assume anything change. Gosh what would I change? I I can't say that change very much Like I say I've been very fortunate I think there are a lot of writers with probably more talent than me. Who who haven't had the break and haven't gotten the Asian haven't gotten published In terms of what I did right I think the best thing I did as a rider was that I brought to the process of writing the same sort of disciplined. I brought the practice of law. My Line is that I only write when I'm inspired but I make it a point to be inspired every morning at nine o'clock so I I I'm very regimented. I get up. I HAVE PRACTICED. I sit down at the computer. I work until lunchtime Usually come back in the afternoon and spend an hour or so polishing. What I wrote that morning and I try to do that while I'm writing a book. I try to do that seven days a week. So I really Bring a certain discipline to the process. I'm not a fast writer But I've managed since I began writing and his house and six. I've managed to write seven and now I'm working on my eighth Book And I what I you know. I credit That discipline that I brought to the process so my advice St John Writers You may not have the luxury of writing full-time. You may have to work a job or have children or you know or whatnot But the best thing you can do is is to carve out Time every day To work on your book and and displaying yourself to protect out time. Bigger ASLI and I think that's the key to success. It's actually spent in the chair working. And and that's my advice to aspiring authors antastic. And I'm interested how you balance the right on the research. Do you do all the research I saw? You Sat right and and research into where it's relevant. How do you approach the balance there? Yeah you know macario. Books don't really require any research because like I say I just reading my life but the The other books all involved quite a bit of research and in in both the case of hard twisted and Tom and I did the research in advance in the case of Hard to estimate for a number of years and because of Tom and Lucky. I did a six month crash course reading everything that's ever been written about Lucky Jonah. Were about dewey or about the trial so I did the research on the front end for most of those. I'm actually working on an interesting project. Right now The University of New Mexico press asked me if I would like to write a book for their realist R. E. L. A. West series of books about classic American Western films. So they're hiring mush of western rider to Write one book about one film and they asked. If I'd like to participate I said sure so. I'm I'm actually writing. I'm going to be a writing. What will be the tip? Work about? the film blazing saddles allies. So so if I'm in the process now of both writing and researching at the same time trying to read everything that's ever been written about the movie While Riding Book about the movie. So I'm sort of doing both at the same time right now but it's quite research-intensive and did you choose the movie. Did they tell you what they want? They they they said which we would you like to do and I chose blazing saddles in part. Because as I mentioned before I represented Richard Pryor who died five but he was he karol Karol screenplay full with Mel Brooks So I knew I had an entree to widow. And maybe there's some information that other people might not have so. Yadda joys has been reading and so her. An extra track is Rita. What do you like to bend read? Imagine you do a lot of very intense and serious nonfiction reading as well but what are you taste in the more entertainment genre area? Yeah you know. In addition to the reading that I do Books I also book critic my local newspaper so I I. I thought there. Six Book reviews a year And for those books I generally try to read literary fiction or upmarket commercial fiction That's just coming out. I usually read them in in Galley. Form So do that and between the research. I'm doing and those Those books that I read for the column I don't and I belong to a book group also I don't have a whole lot of time for pleasure reading so my my guilty pleasure when I do have time to pleasure read is I like to read crime fiction. I like to read mystery fiction and you know I read. People like Philip Kerr or join US or Michael. Connelly our Nelson Demille those those sorts of prime writers. Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's great and the commercial fiction that you're doing. Have you come across a couple recently that you think of with mentioning? Yeah I People ask me this little time. I the best book I read. Honestly in the last Maybe ten years Is a gentleman in Moscow by Immortal focused fabulous. Yeah if you haven't a chance to read that highly recommended. I thought that was great decision on my bedside table unread because of that on top of the TV or less. So you've mentioned blazing saddles. But what else is on your agenda for the Knicks twelve months to check the Raisa? Ooh I've got some interesting things so I've got this book. I I really just started writing. Best Blazing Saddles Book. But that's due to the publisher by the end of July so it's really a crash project At the same time I have a TV. Show that I'm trying to develop with a director. I in fact yesterday we were on the phone with Amblin entertainment. Which is Steven Spielberg's company About maybe trying to get them to partner with us so that's kind of interesting and if that comes through and that'll be fascinating I guess you can't tell us anything about this type of show. Yeah I it's I can tell you it's a it's a contemporary western basically. Yeah so So there's that and I'm doing something else. That's sort of new to me. I'm dabbling a little bit and songwriting with a friend of mine. Who Musician I've known him for fifty years. He called me up and said. Do you You ever write song lyrics and I said you know. I never have John but I I'd be willing to give it a try so I've written four songs for him and he's in the process of recording them as we speak and then we'll see what comes to that antastic now. I just have to ask with the songwriting What what sort of hype songs either. Who Your favorite in that area? What inspired me to even say yes to him was the fact that I just watched the Ken Burns Series on country music. I don't know if you saw that or not. But it's like oh it's fabulous. It's the whole history of American country music and So I had that in mind so I wrote One Country Song for The other songs are more contemporary love Song. Type things And the idea is he'll he'll he'll record them and we'll see if we can get you know some some notable people to perform. That's that's the goal. That's a long shot. It's like the TV thing is a long shot you know. It's all it's all speculative. Just don't look so we'll see what happens now. It sounds like you're having a lot of fun anyways. So Susan Lee that change remade after twenty five years. There's no looking back. You made the right choice. I think the I can't complain That's great wonderful. Thank you story about track. It's been great talking and We'll look out that. Tv show with interest. Okay well thank you Jenny. It's been my pleasure and thank you for helping promote the written word. That's great. Thanks for listening to the joystick bench. Reading podcast you can find all the details and links for this episode at Dub Dub Dub dot the joys of binge eating dot com. We'd love to your comments and suggestions for who you'd like us to interview nixed and if you enjoyed the show take a moment to subscribe on. Itunes or a similar provider. So you won't miss out on future guests. 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College Football Playoff Rankings, NFL Power Rankings, and Joe Schwartz Rejoins the Pod!

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College Football Playoff Rankings, NFL Power Rankings, and Joe Schwartz Rejoins the Pod!

"The what Fam- welcome to episode forty-three The snapback sports pound this episode the College Football Playoff rankings out college basketball aw is back our NFL power rankings are also back a little Thursday people's Pearland much more so let's get it in August the what else snap back fam. I'm your host Jackson from snap expert on snapchat joining me today and as always is a grant off Abe Abe. We brought the energy last time. Can we bring it again. We're open up with the college football. Playoff rankings. I think I might just have to bring it we. That's what's going to save us because normally we like to ease into it then we internet how ranked couns Diane Right in. We're going 'cause I was at college basketball night. One warmer verse three verse. Four a lot of fouls are called but in between those games college. Football playoff yes official rankings were released and the rankings. Were a bit surprising one Ohio. Save prising let me learn. Let me read through there. But we're bringing the energy. That's that's what we need one. Ohio state Buckeyes to Lsu Tigers Three Alabama Crimson tide four five countries time. The people in the back five clumps in Georgia six Oregon seven Utah Eight. Oh you at nine Florida ranting at the top ten and one zero versus number four Penn State nittany lions one. More time. Baby we are. I'll let you take it away. We will fight over Penn State. Not Not really. I don't care that they're there but my rent will be on the Tigers of Clemson so you can begin. I mean what do you want from me. The committee got it right all right so the first three were locked in. It was just a matter of the order right. It was GONNA be Ohio state it was GONNA be. LSU Is going to be Alabama and then it was gonna be Penn State or was going to be Clemson and clearly. The committee showed that they don't care about Clemson because they play actual weekend and week out. I mean they're scheduling Wofford in November. And you're the defending national champions. You should be actually embarrassing yourself. Whereas Penn State has the number two strength of record in the country and a lot of other made a made for those I'm actually getting to that And a few other other statistics that work to our favor in terms of our resume initials FBI. That I don't know what mean but the nerds made them up and they work in my favor so I'm GonNa roll with them but they made a statement they put us ahead of Clinton Clemson doesn't play anybody. Don't get me wrong clemson's in the driver's seat they're gonNA continue to play absolutely nobody. They'RE GONNA win their conference and they're gonNA it again but they just shows you that who you play leading up to number one rankings matter. I mean I'm not done. And they had a couple of good wins whether you think so. We're not against Iowa against Michigan Atmosphere. This is a Wendy's overuse that show I of. We'll as as long as you mentioned. Harbor Michigan is good I'm GonNa say this is a win. We can cut in the tape from the college football preview and you said Michigan was going to be better than Ohio state. This cheer true. You're on the record saying that. But Hey they got it right. We play Ohio state in three weeks. I'll obviously lots could have changed. Stuff is GonNa Shakeup Cup starting this weekend with Lsu Obama. But Hey. I'm just happy to be here right now. All right so so the one the first one before we get to Clemson now I want to refute. Is You say they got it right and they showed that it's about who you played so to me. This is where it gets interesting right because we agreed. Today shockingly We agreed on something. LSU has the best wins out of the top five cracked cracked yet. They're number two and Ohio state. You could almost argue that. They haven't played anyone anyone. Yeah they beat Wisconsin but Wisconsin's kind of fallen off a bill annoyed maybe Cincinnati. WHO's I think? Seventeen are they. They're twenty in the playoff rankings. Right they're giving them. I'm a lot of credit for blowing out a lot of teams which is fine. But if you'RE GONNA say they're based off who you play and that's why penn seats over Clemson then in theory Lsu should be Over Ohio state agree or disagree continue. I know that that's that's the whole point with that. That is like they kind of had to who you play in how you play right. Clemson not only has played division six teams but they also were a play away from losing to North Carolina at North Carolina if Mack Brown your guy from Texas didn't have an absolutely brutal play call in the two point conversion and essentially late. Throw that game clemson's not in this conversation right now so it's a combination of who you plan how you play obviously. LSU has more quality wins. They beat Texas when at the time time. What were you guys nine ten? We're now your shit. They beat Florida thousands of win. Have they played. They beat Auburn Auburn. Obviously a good win but like Ohio state hasn't been battled tested once in terms of being in a close game. So they bloat Wisconsin. They've lot Cincinnati and in credit to them for that. Like and I like I don't think anyone's really kicking rocks over Ohio state ahead of LSU because inevitably when Lsu if Lsu Alabama. This week and Ohio state plays Maryland and there are forty point favorite. They're gonNA swap the LSU wins this week. They're going to be one. Ohio state will be tip so essentially. This really didn't matter but I really do think the committee got right and this is no bias behind it putting Penn state ahead of Clemson. Obviously if we don't beat Ohio State or policy doesn't he does chances are that team's not going to get in but it made a little bit of a statement that committee man. I just think that it was so disrespectful to Clemson. Nobody gives a shit that they won the national champion right last year. That was last year. Nobody cares I hate that. You keep saying. They're the defending national champions. I don't care. They're six people from that team drafted. They're not younger a younger team than they were last year. Who cares what happened last year where was Lsu last year? They didn't do anything. Okay but my point here is an. Are you ready now. I'm not not all right. So obviously Clemson was that close game. UNC But outside of that they've been every other team by thirty except for a decent Texas accessing MTM who they beat by double digits right so the UNC law or not lost the UNC. Win kind of daunting them. And like I said this is Click Bait eight at its Finest College Football playoff. Maybe they wanted to send a message but forever new saying they need to schedule better teams. They need to play a tougher there right. They cannot control. How bad teams are? Your what are they going to swap conferences. That's that's one number two but like Boston college could be good one year. UNC's been good one. The last time Boston College was good. Matt right friction. What's Virginia Tech? Used to be really good year winning. You're out to like first of all that's not them. It's the conference. They they play number two. They want to say don't schedule offer. That's fine but other teams. They schedule they schedule home. And home with Texas and Texas Got Jimbo Fisher. They're supposed to be a top ten team team in the country and your scheduling but they're not neuro but that's my point you're scheduling games. Four or five six were scheduled Texas scheduled to play Ohio state in six years. Like like you can go up and down with that other teams that. ACC BY MIAMI. Florida state like these are historically great programs. It's also now their fault that when they go play in the rivalry game South Carolina's garbage. That's an SEC team that they'd be able to play a high level against with that being said that's her schedule and then when it comes down down to it. Yes I get your point of their national champs last year. That doesn't mean as much as they want what you got that wrong. It doesn't mean anything disagree completely disagree. They want they've they want twenty two games in a row. Okay and then. This is the media narrative every year. They don't play anyone they don't plan on. They don't play anyone. And then they smack someone in the semifinal every via and then they go in and beat the big they smoked Alabama. They're five right now. If they don't get the opportunity irrelevant. I well I I understand that. It's clicked bay but that's why we podcast is to discuss these things and you're saying that it's not about last year which is fine. But they have a few consistent things one on a top five defense to Dabo Sweeney. One of the top two coaches in college and three Trevor Lawrence whose rounding into form so to say it doesn't matter they're not Arthur who didn't look good to start the year but he's rounding into form right. That's awful picture whereas a man Mike. Sean Clifford quarterback Penn state has been solid throughout throughout the entire year. And that's why he got the nod at four. But this is my point. If if we're GONNA say that Penn State is better than Clemson than on a neutral field if they play in the in the fiesta bowl. I would just be happy to be here. If they play. Continents that touchdown favorite in that game. So they're clearly not better than in Clemson. I'm not saying they can't win the game will they can't about being better when the initial rankings. Come out it's a matter of who has earned that top four spot thus far this season there are still four games to be played and Clemson knows they control their own destiny just as everybody in the top four does short whereas whereas when you get out of the top four or top five teams like Georgia Oregon and Utah. Who are going to need some help to get your radically Georgia doesn't need? How honestly if they went out and the win the SEC championship? You're looking at a case. I mean they're in they're in the SEC champs with a loss there in the I mean the committee is historically just. Zion closed off conference champions in. I want to talk about this. Essentially game of the century there saying this week. That's that's a that's aggressive but I don't know if it is but who needs a win more for the for the resume because a lot of people were saying win or lose both teams are getting but I disagree with that. I really think that Alabama needs to win this game Nick Sabin should just sit to a tag lava and hope. You definitely get that last name right. But I'm I'm also correct tag of Isla that's correct that's correct checkers Yossi a week. What did you point French? First of all that's correct pronunciation saying about saving Jews. Sit Too because they could probably beat us. You potentially with a really really good game plan even though I think. LSU is very good. That's what I'm asking. How it yeah can will Alabama get in win or lose? Well my point is if they win and yes but if they lose and to a place then there's absolutely a claim to keep them out but who jumps over them at Utah or an Oregon if Georgia Georgia Wins Sec Championship. And of course they get him because Georgia Beats Lsu Lsu beat Bama so transit of property that math one one And and I think that they still get in over a one. Loss Penn State I. Yeah but you got. I think it really comes comes down to the PAC twelve. And how much and even a team like Oklaho- Oklahoma where one could argue that. They have been top four team throughout the entire entire year. They were bad for one. Day and Oregon Utah and Oklahoma. Two of those teams are going to be conference champions so I think the game being in Tuscaloosa exclusives massive because a home loss is perceived so much differently than like if they lost in death valley whereas I think if LSU loses this game they'll still get in because of their resume thus far. And I think they should because they are superb and we'll see how the game plays out Yeah that's the thing about college football in these games like when Penn hence they plays Ohio state. Lsu Plays Alabama it does matter the NFL. A Windsor Windsor loss of loss in college. Football where it's very mm-hmm objective who gets added who does depending on certain people's opinions. It matters how you lose. It really does absolute also a little conspiracy see theory. I'm working on just in case it goes against my nittany. Lions and and Somehow Oregon went to the PAC twelve and get laid. What's wrong with Ben? Simmons what would happen if Ben Simmons. I don't know I got a text from Jon. Gruden he said twenty five after the game. I assume that's referring to your all star Point Cardi who stay right now all right but what I was gonNA say a little conspiracy theory to the head of the college. Football Committee is the AD organ. I'm just saying okay. I liked that I like that. And the pack of has been getting some hype. But Utah's actually really good defensively and Conley quarterback Oregon's horrible. I mean Horrigan. Wigan lost that game to Auburn at the beginning of the year and like Auburn tried to lose it. And or you're just like now you take it I posted a graphic. My story today which was like if there's sixteen team playoff based off the rankings. which would be cool? Because it'll be like a high achievers. Kansas State First Round O. U. Verse Utah Clemson Baylor Etcetera Cetera. And people like this would be so the irony is that Penn state that Wisconsin. I believe it is Wisconsin or thirteen. That's what yeah I can check on that for you. They true yeah four thirteen and then they would see clemson which would be funny but the irony is that do you remember why the playoff was created it it. It was because the third team kept getting left out and people were complaining so much that I will go to for that way knowing gets left out and here we are complaining lanier about who's going to be the fifteen being left. I absolutely never be no controversy system because right even eight six if you if you let him six uh-huh you're GonNa talk about seventy eight eight. You'RE GONNA talk about nine and ten like you think these teams are just GonNa be like while they winning nine so go undefeated and miss the National Championship. It's a whole messed up system. But before we move on I want to get a prediction for LSU Bama absolutely. It's tough without the to to a news okay. So let's assume he plays. Yeah but even with that. I think you need them. One hundred percent because toughest he's loopholes and just provide so you make your picked back then my pick in Tuscaloosa thirty to twenty eight Alabama. I don't even know who won. I honestly I have no idea who I want to pick. WHO's GonNa win who I want want to win that just came out and I went with it? LSU's offenses the lead Alabama's offense is the lead. LSU's defense is look shaky. They they have so many good secondary players. Though you have to imagine they could at least counter those crimson tide wides little Alabama's debut album Alvin hasn't played anyone. LSU's kind of play people but Florida was scoring on them. which is so concerning? Because I was at that game this weekend. They couldn't move the ball for Shit. So ugh I want. I've been on the borough train I love Lsu. And I think it's time for Alabama. Take a step down. But I think Alabama's being disrespected because they're blowing out everyone. You WanNa play with that being said. I'm going to go thirty one. Actually I really high scoring forty two forty one tigers go targets go back. You know what I actually I need. LSU To win. Because I love at Odur on Isla him go tigers. What's there my party alley? It's come to die Diana's for we're in Tuscaloosa My parting words on on the initial college football ranking number five Clemson Click Bait Penn state's APP for and I have nothing to worry about because they will lose to. Osu interest a few short weeks ready for NFL. Let's get it done here. Man Good Energy through the first twenty minutes. It's the POD and now we're going into our power rankings. Even I think I heard a little murmur offline for hit records and it's about to get heated up up so give me your top five teams in the national football league starting backwards number five the Seattle seahawks. That's right. They just added Flash Gordon. They're coming together. They've got the MVP Russell Wilson not putting the Vikings there because they have kirk cousins and that goes against what I believe in how I was raised so I got Seattle at number I five number four. I have the Green Bay packers. Now you may say to yourself. They lost the chargers last week. That's right you would be correct and and frankly I don't give a shit. The packers have had the fourth toughest schedule in the NFL. Thus far and have the fourth best record in the NFL so combination all that looking at the whole picture. The packers are coming at number. Four number three the Baltin New England patriots. Why do I have to explain the New England Patriots? It's I know they lost a Baltimore and once again I don't care number two number two. That's after three movie okay. No it's actually the four three French number two the undefeated San Francisco. Forty niners. Why why not put them one? Jimmy Garoppolo I don't trust you I I do not trust you. You're running games great. Your defense is Great. You just lost Kwan Alexander. But I don't trust you as much. Do you finally get a face a hard schedule. You've been playing absolute poo poo to the first eight weeks. This season and now go into a gauntlet will really see what you're made of and you can go up to that number one spot potentially this week by beating the seahawks. But we'll get into that the people's parlay and number one the Philadelphia. Now the New Orleans Saints Do I have to explain myself what they go. Five hundred with Teddy Bridgewater drew. BREES is coming back. Defense is looking amazing rushing defense one of the best in the NFL secondary very on and off but overall. I'd say they're pretty solid. They moved the ball. I don't think there's much arguing with the New Orleans saints there. I don't think you can really get mad at putting them on. No I actually have a bone to pick with you with them at one had because the fucking knew so sorry for cursing the New Orleans saints and their fan base ruined the NFL. Oh ruin the NFL. They ruined sports technology. God Damn it. I bet on the hockey game the other night and apparently you can challenge now in hockey. We all know. I'm not a hockey guy and we'll never talk hockey on here. But I've been on a hockey team. I think the Boston bruins ruins and they would have had a goal to take the lead but no somebody had to challenge. Because the New Orleans saints were crying well New Orleans you ruined it for all all of us you literally made the NFL impose a rule that they'll never enforce and it literally just drags out the game ruins momentum. Sahra took this away from you Jack Jack but God damn it to. I hate the city of New Orleans now that was just et Cetera. Frio Saints of that one is in bad. My five chiefs are back in five for me. Matt Moore Beats decent decent not great but decent Viking steam the homes back I said the whole year I still believe it. They'RE GONNA win. The Super Bowl achieved at five with mahomes on his return number. Four is the New England patriots number. Four pats still aiding once. Sylvan beaten anyone with a pulse this this year. But they've Tom Brady bill bell check and defense. That is good enough to hold the Ravens thirty seven number. Three ranking right ahead or before so subtle yet. So Oh I rape before. Is the Baltimore Ravens. Six into winning four in a row. The knock on the Ravens was. They hadn't beat anyone so they go the Seattle win by double digits. They beat doing by seventeen. The best defense anyone's ever seen thirty seven points and honestly we didn't play that well so shop. Aw Ravens at number three and this is after. We recorded a podcast or Monday night where I say Ravens the best team in the league. So I'm being I'm back to just being called about turn. Your number two is the saints. I still think the saints come out of the NFC but right now. I can't knock number one. Jimmy aged that Defense Shanahan's coaching has been spectacular. And like look you can. I agree Jimmy a question mark. That's why I'll go breeze over him. I'm in the playoffs. But brees on the road is mostly. I actually think that race for the ones he's GonNa be tough. Nine or schedule gets tougher. But Jimmy G's like fifteen or sixteen and three in in his career. At similar to Lamar Jackson people hate people gonNA knock them. They don't play good teams. They don't put up stats. They turn the ball over. Whatever you go sixteen and three I mean look at like teams teams like the jets and everyone else they can't even facilty wins? And we're GONNA hate on Jimmy Mack Hassle when eleven and five one year like exactly and wears Matt Cassel now he but he was good that year. Let me tell you so. That's what I'm saying right now. They're the best team about having lost the only undefeated team so respect to the niners will chance doing though is awesome like his skiing. He's actually like hey we're in two thousand nineteen let's do like cool things on offense whereas other teams are just like. Oh playbook from two thousand and two. I saw this work. Every offense is innovating now because Septa browns. They stink wasn't that we're not talking about Jack. No no no so those are power our rankings. kind of I mean outside leaving the Ravens out. which is it doesn't really make sense because Seattle has beaten literally no one and the Ravens beat them in Seattle. So that's just confusing me absolutely but you know what's good about all this these are my power rankings and you have yours. Yeah but the point of the power rankings NHS is to entertain the listeners. And so I have to. I need to question you and hear your explanation. As to why Seattle whose point differential is like plus eight this year of another seven to is number five losing to the Ravens who beat them in their own in their own loud seats plus they're seven and two because they have the MVP of the League thus far in Russell Wilson because they just added Flash. Gordon I think their defense come together and frankly I'm never going to put the Raymond's in my top five. Get over it. Okay The seahawks that's untrue. If the eagles are up there to the seahawks folks are now about their seven two they've Seven more games to play. I still have. I still have the missing the playoffs. You agreed with me last week. You're still in that boat or you think that they're going to get there. I can't I really am having trouble picking one stand to the other solely solely because this NFC west west is up for grabs. I know that the niners are eight now but let me rattle off the rest of their schedule. Too you Seattle Seattle Arizona Green Bay Baltimore New Orleans Atlanta the rams and the seahawks. They don't have an easy schedule down the road and they haven't really been anybody yet I said their most impressive win was act a rams but we're never you're never really act the rams because they don't have any fans and so I'm just saying that the NFC West a little bit up for grabs right now. I'M NOT GONNA put Seattle in there yet a yet but I'm excited for this game on Sunday night. It's going to be tell us a lot or Monday night Monday night. Yeah So the the only thing is it's not necessarily between the two of them because I think it's still ramp. I really think that they can go to mm five over the final seven and and finish at nine I. It would be low but I really Seattle. Yeah Yeah. They play the eagles in two weeks or three weeks. So I sure hope so I am telling you. I don't think that which and I don't think the Patriots are that good which is like are the Ravens wins. Who's good this year though? No one's good Um I can't even say eagles. Yeah definitely not the right before the break. Let's make some money for the people at this point we a half. I mean at this point. We're either do or broke so let's pick one right. We're definitely definitely Close to that so you take it away with your to pick I just audible. I know we were talking this before. How we kind of looked at it? Picking on pack. But I'm GonNa Start with Sunday night a little hedge opportunity if we go three for three. I'M GONNA TAKE DALLAS MINUS three. Now you're all saying Abe your Big Eagles Fan. How can you pick the cowboys? I'm not betting on. I'm betting against Kirk cousins on the road in prime time against a team over five hundred which all three of the things are his Kryptonite. So I'M GONNA TAKE DALLAS MINUS THREE OVER VIKINGS that'll be my first pick. You want alternate. My friend at work is a Viking Fan and he said that the Vikings have like four primetime games over the next six or the playoffs. That's dangerous kirk cousins. I Greek kind of on that. Pick that games such a toss up to me but I guess In combination of that Dallas always way better at home than they are on the road. True Army to take Dallas and half of this is because I believe that they're going to cover half of this is because we have a little hedge opportunity. True all right. I'm speaking with a minus three at home home. Who who rise up from the grave? Cleveland browns all. Well you you hate the Fam- I said the bills suck. I actually Kinda liked this pick. The browns are two and six and their favorites favorites. I mean that's just that's the lock of law. Yeah I Kinda I kinda. Don't mind that pick but I just I hate or what they dead last while so when you took the browns with how many points just three giving giving giving three okay and I'm going to have a little fun with this pick. I wonder if this is what I'm just going to say. This is GonNa completely counteract everything we just talked about with the best in the blast but I I think it's not a bad pick. It does a must seahawks lose to but I'M GONNA take the steelers beating the rams at home. Why why because jared girls could play some cold weather this weekend? And he's traveling across country. Oh wait actually to the rams have a by last week they did. Oh Oh show mcvay. After a by I'm sticking with the steelers money line jared Goff in cold weather cold feet steelers money line at plus one sixty two uh-huh are fair enough by final. Pick is the colts minus ten and a half. I don't care if they got Brian Hoyer Mac Castle. I think her husband's perset set. They semper set might play but it would be shocking. If they Russian Dolphins Oval Win the dolphins fricken stink man and that has to say about the jets. Which is why questioned the pick on the cowboys altogether but indy off the loss brutal us? I'll bet Miami off the win. Perfect bounceback ten and a half. I don't care about the hook. They're going to win by three tidies. Brian Hoyer looked competent. Actually so I feel comfortable with him against that team. SO COLTS MIGHT CENTRE-HALF CLEVELAND MINUS THREE DALLAS MINUS three and the steelers moneyline who I've been telling people the steelers those are GonNa stay around for wildcard spot. Potentially even week seventeen in Baltimore even though I do have gone fourteen and two. That's the people's Parlay We are going to make you all rich and now let's make our fifty dollars. 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How're you doing tonight? I'm doing great Honored to be back for the second time while. It's definitely definitely honor because it's a podcast that I've definitely listened to for a while in mind joy and I've been there been there since day day one when Jack really started the whole snapchat experience Bag my freshman year and seeing how far it's come. The the past few months really has been been something cool. And for those of you who've been with Jackson I kind of say we As like I'm I'm a part of this but has been with us for all those years. it's Kinda cool to see. This is blown up recently in Ada. Part of it's really cool to so I'm I'm glad to be back and ready talking. Yeah so a big reason why we're going to have you on tonight outside of tax me. Let's get on. The pod is uh-huh literally begging outside of that is that to last night. Rather Aj Boom Aj Andrew Jones in his first real minutes since his battle with cancer scored a career-high twenty points. It's I posted as you mentioned right like I've been covering Obviously Texas sports for a couple of years. Now when I started snap back and I posted this morning A highlight of him hitting a three and like for the O. G. Snapback Fam- who would remember you and remembers me kind of covering Andrew Story. Which is he battled battled cancer? He was going to be one of our star players during his early in his crew. Found out the cancer kind of went through that whole battle. While you're still there at school while we both there I remember that special against Oklahoma And it's just like his first real minutes of the new season finally back puts up a career high. It was just a special moment. You were much closer with them. You played for the team so if you WanNa talk on just what that meant for you and what Just how awesome. That was well. I mean watching last night was was really cool as hard as it is to to be a fan now rather than a player It was really special to see that these guys were playing for something in Obviously for those of you who don't know uh-huh Andrew He's been through a hell of a fight in He's back healthy now and getting back to that one hundred percent that he was at before. obviously leukemia and all the treatments and everything. But I think the the coolest part about that was seeing everything. Come full circle on my end. Obviously my senior year is when he was diagnosed and I was looking back today through some pictures on my camera roll During lunch today and I was like man. What a journey this has been? Because we've got we've got TV's in the office and they were showing highlights of the game and There there's just some things in life that she don't forget and I can vividly remember the night that we got the tax code smart. We had just gotten back from Ames Iowa We had actually won in in overtime against Iowa state and then we come back to Texas And end we. We played Baylor that Saturday Andrew didn't travel with the team. He played a little bit in that. I was state game. I think that was his first. I came back from a wrist injury that he had but I mean he looked winded but he made a couple of big plays in that I was state game on the floor for a ball. I remember And hit a couple of big shots in that state game and then we. We took a tough loss at Baylor. On a Saturday and Sunday we had a light practice An Sunday night. I remember the text from coach. Smart it said I need everyone Meeting the dorms at nine o'clock in None of us had really been in contact with Andrew Andrew because obviously everything was He was dealing with a lot with his parents trying to figure out the next steps where the treatment was going to be Coached heartbroken news. Everyone was devastated knowing really knew how to react to it. Eighteen nineteen twenty twenty one. Year olds In a room and you find out what your brothers are. Your teammates gets diagnosed with A disease it's taken many people's lives It's very hard hard to deal with and to cope with a lot of tears were shed that night. along with Probably the next few months after that There were days. The Andrew had good days days where they were bad days. But I'll never forget the night that we played. TCU that was so obviously. We found out that Sunday night And then the next night was big Monday on. ESPN and the game goes into double overtime and Jericho hit a free. Throw to put us up ninety nine onto ninety eight and we kind of budget. Our defensive scheme on the last play of the game and Jalen Fisher gets a drive Pretty wide it open and missile layup and by the grace of God that wall fell off the Ram and we wanna double overtime and I think that was probably one of the one of the best nights in one of the nights filled with the most emotion that I had and I think I touched on that in the first episode I came on but looking back today Just seeing all the things at Andrews done all the things he's gone through Seeing all the people that have supported him. It's awesome when someone's going through tough times. That's when that's when people want to be the ones to show support and show love which is great but that never really stopped with Andrew. I mean it was all along the journey. He had the support today. I'm scrolling through instagram. And I saw the Dwayne Wade Posted something on his instagram story. Like wow what an inspiration And it's not it's not the Just he beat cancer. It's it's the manner in which he did that The kids stay positive. The whole time. all all he wanted to do in the message that he I always told us While I was there at least was I would do anything to be on the court right. Now I'd be doing anything to be with y'all And so just the message passage that he was making. I'm going to get back on this court and I'm going to be the killer that I was before. I was diagnosed with cancer and seeing that. Come full circle last night Honestly can't really sound surprised. I don't think that's going to be the only twenty point game. He has the season I've heard a few things from some of the guys from practice Andrew's very very close to where it was before the diagnosis so c.. And all that come full circle. I still where the J. One ban on my left wrist everyday. I haven't taken it off since my senior year. still still look at it everyday as kind of a motivation that As hard as life may seem Someone else is going through something just a little bit harder and it just gives you that extra bit of motivation every day. So it's pretty cool to see that come full circle. One thing you one thing you talked about just now was Aj's work ethic and his mentality through it. All just being the silent killer that he was and obviously is as we saw last night coming out of the woodwork with twenty points. But I mean just last night I'm watching. ESPN and right. I'm listening to Jay Williams of very very tone college basketball analyst. And he's talking about how he sat down with Andrew after the diagnosis. Whenever was kind of going down and it was just an a very open setting in the gym and Andrew was literally putting up shots working on his game with bag attached to his head going through some tort type of treatment? Like there's literally obviously. I've never met him. I've only heard good things from you and from Jack but it just shows how how like he didn't get lucky last night. He's actually been in the gym working despite this diagnosis and it just speaks to his work ethic his character actor in the fight that he has and I mean like you said. It's just remarkable unbelievable. It's just break. It can't do anything but bring a smile to your face. You know what I mean. Ah I mean it's such. It's such a great story in Even going back to two right when he was diagnosed. I remember this is well. You can probably Ali find it online whether it's on twitter instagram. or You Google it or whatever but right. After he was diagnosed and they started the treatment he began losing a lot of weight very quickly And our member none of us had been able to really talk to him or see him And then the one one of the days they allow cameras into the hospital hospital They showed a video of him and he had these really high tube socks on He had a mask over his face. I think he had the pig still on his arm and he was shooting hoops in the hospital. In like you think about a kid who has been through so much in in his life in then he's fighting for his life but all he wants to do is play basketball and he's in the hospital literally with with I vs in fluids flow into his body Basically to keep them alive and in all he wants to do is play basketball. And and I think you're right I think last night wasn't a fluke fluke. All the kids known Is Hard work and perseverance and dedication And people say if you respect the game asks asks wall's going to respect you and I think that's exactly what we saw last night and granted. He's not going to insert. I'd love them to score twenty points every night. He plays this season. But I think that that there's a lot more That's gone into this than people saw on. TV last night and They do it's remarkable and it's really specialty that he's been able to keep that positive mindset Like the Jim Valvano. Holly Rose all the people that you see on. ESPN SHELLY DISMISS. You see people like that. That really have the spotlight. And then you hone in on a college kid who may not have asthma platform mm-hmm and you see the fight that they have in It's just really inspiring Love Andrew to death. He was a great teammate Great Friend And comes from a great family His sister played at Baylor And she was a great player and she's planning the WNBA now For Mom and dad believe she's with Dallas now biggest fan. Yes so I think. What's most incredible is that like it's Seattle? She's actually she's actually with the. La Sparks spent good team. Yeah no aces but What I think is remarkable was like he fought for his life and he he he beat the bat of cancer? He won the game. He won the battle of life but then he came back and played D. One basketball and scored twenty points in a game. It's like most people get not lucky because he fought and he absolutely he deserves to be where he is but just lucky to even be living after a battle with cancer and he fought and is now playing which is insane and it chose to things which is one sports are just game they bring us happiness. They bring a sadness but they're just a game. This kid is literally he goes from playing basketball for the University of Texas to almost be in a a situation where he's battling for his life but then sports are so amazing because what other type a moment could bring this type of smile to people who are like yes we lose people to cancer answer all the time and it's an absolutely horrible disease but there are some people who get through it but we'll never hear about them and we realistically that's not going to bring a smile to our face because we'll never hear about where in Aj case it's just like he's not Texas Fan. He actually hates everything Texas but in this situation. It's just like I really love for food in this situation. It's just remarkable that he he was playing so I'm happy now that You you know. We talked about the story when we first had you on and when we moved from topic to topic wasn't that Salvia to move on from the bad to good more entertaining. Now we can move from unbelievable moment to just another happy topic so college basketball is back. I was the games last. I'm asking square garden. One Verse Three Verse Four. The wrapping wrapping was I mean there are a lot of faust call all I know is college. Basketball season is wide. Wide Open I'm curious if I mean Cole. Anthony Kinney job thirty four eleven and five that was spectacular. But they still barely beat Notre Dame south curious. Joe If there's anything you're hearing from your Fellow boys about anyone in the college basketball atmosphere. Well I think like you said and I think this is going to be a pretty common theme over the next few years because of the amount of talent that we're starting to see in high school ball Leagues Prep Schools. And stuff like that. These kids taken taking basically fifth years of high school to develop their game and really put them in a position to either be a one and done or go overseas and then Go Straight to the NBA after a year overseas But I think you're exactly right. The college basketball. I think we saw last year. A little bit With teams like Texas Tech and Kansas State in Virginia. Finally they've always been good but they broke through last year. They've had some troubles in the tournament. The past few years but I think it's wide open. I mean you look at the big twelve. That's probably the conference. I'm most familiar with Once again Kansas really isn't a shoe in In the big twelve Texas has a great squad. Squad coached Drouin Baylor have a really good squad. the parents down wake of have told me that they've heard great things. And I've got a buddy who's actually two two really good friends that are as for coach. Drew a Baylor and I've seen on their snap Jackson in their social media. How much time they're putting in with their players They had a big opening night. Win As to Texas I mean I really liked what I saw from Texas last night I mean Matt Coleman and he had things under control Courtney Raimi's really playing well for big body last night had ten boards for guard. That's that's not too shabby But but it's wide open and I think it's going to be pretty consistent For the next few years it's not really there's one dynasty and anything can happen in March But there's a Lotta great to basically non conference but I don't WanNA say preseason but non conference with with some of these holiday tournaments coming up I know Texas is going up to the garden and we've got a match up with Georgetown and if we can get by them we have an opportunity to play. Duke I know the battle for Atlantis is always going to be a good one and Maui. Invitational Tournament Even thought the Champions Classic last night was such a great Slade Games two games and obviously the scheduling people Patten. Because they're they're big name teams but one two three four You can't really ask for much more than that and and I was really impressed with the defense on in that candidates and Duke game because I think think a lot of people thought that was going to be a high scoring game dukes got a lot of young talent. Kansas is trying to figure out what their what their team's going to be like this year But at the end of the day like seeing those young kids defend is really special. And I mean North Carolina's GonNa have a great team this year You can't ever count out coaches. Oh I know they. They barely lost last night. coach Callen Kentucky. Great Squad this year Wow Maxi can really play. There's some of those some of those shots that he hit last night. I mean those. We lost measure with juniors and seniors. You're supposed to be doing in college. And that gives a freshman so It was fun getting watch. The Games didn't get to watch all the games that were on last night night Because I only had so many monitors streams available but As a season starts to pick up Really be attached to the TV's and the screens and watches watches much film as I can because There is a lot of special talent out there and I don't WanNa miss much of it perfectly too wide open this year and and the The only thing that means to me is that I'm going to be losing a lot of money this year. It's wide open. And that's on the surly a good thing especially last night starting picking Kansas Michigan Washington state. But for me I mean every year. It's just wide open. Anything can happen in March but always I'm the type of kid that has who I'm going to pick in March every every year. I need the experience back court and the coaches. That's what it does for me. Yeah that's probably Michigan State Realistically Realistically. They look everyone you Joe. You're saying good defense. Last night I saw a lot of sloppy turnovers bill south not knowing how to really use his big men. The big men at this point in the season it's early. It's very early but the point I would bring up is like yes. Obviously in March anyone can win. Because that's just what march is like Duke it was absolutely loaded last year convincingly a number one team and they didn't make the final four and then this year dukes still top five team still beating top five teams and and they're not even close to his loaded so while of course march madness is always very very very open. I think this year. It's just absolutely like I mean. There's teams like Maryland Xavier from all over the part that are calm and that will come into march with a very good chance. That went. All it's GonNa be fun. I completely agree with that and I mean I'm looking. I was watching the Virginia game earlier And it's it's it's about ugly as a regina scores you'll see it's forty six thirty two With a little under three minutes left in the second half about. You're talking about a defensive Game Virginia Zone Defense. Would you expect well. Well one thing I I will say Ah and women's basketball but I have some family ties to women's vast was I've got my pick locked up with Baylor winning it off of the women's side They've got a tremendous squad. Yesterday they were up fifty one two three at halftime and ended up in it. They ended up handling that game as they should and Coach Mulcahy's got another great squad in the final four is actually down in Noah In my city now So might be nice to see them. Jack in New Orleans this year Jack of a bone to pick with the city of New Orleans. They've ruined every sport with this. Damn reply apply with the challenge in the NFL. But that's a different story but check. It looks like we have our our new women's basketball team that I was just about this. I Hey I mean the people about to bet on the Baylor bears to win it. All women's basketball and then have to travel to New Orleans to watch them bringing home. I I mean talking about a snapback experience for the ages people's future I think it's I think that's new slow. Well one one thing to women's Futures I. I'm not sure I don't. I don't know if that's the thing but one thing I will say interesting fact about Baylor Women's basketball coming from WACO Growing up Close to coach Moltke and Kramer. Her Son I have been at all three of coach Mulcahy's National Championships I was there in two thousand and five when they wanted Indianapolis I was there two thousand twelve in Denver and then obviously last year down in Tampa when when chloe Jackson had that scoop and score layup. Remember like it was yesterday with about two SEGARRA. I think he's a little under two seconds left. They one by one. But I've been there for all and now they're coming down to New Orleans. I don't know why I would pick anyone else to win it all this year so so I'm over one on the fan all trying to find. WNBA yeah it might be it difficult to find. I haven't been able to find it either but I know some people. We'll figure that could find that somewhere. I final the thing. Before we go eve has the New Orleans saints ranked number one in his power rankings. I have them number to tell us why the saints should be number one. I already did now. I want Joe you know I think right now. You look got it from a defensive standpoint. I know this on believe it or not. I'm a big offensive guy Love scoring while stuff like that and But the one thing I would they say our defense right now The Saints Defense has been playing out of their mind. They're holding opposing running backs under a hundred yards game in and game amount They're forcing turnovers are special teams has been phenomenal on both sides of the ball putting And and we've had a couple upon blocks couple of points returned for touchdowns And then the offense I mean you look at someone like Thomas Catching anything. That's thrown in his area code got great hands in latavius stepped in Lavin's been out and done a great job. He's a fantasy sleeper. I picked him up a few weeks ago. And he's doing great And then you look at some of the other guys You'll get tatty what he did for us when he went out. I mean everyone down here in New Orleans was. It was a little worried about what was going to happen with Teddy Bridgewater in how the saints were going to do with a tough schedule GOES INTO SEATTLE AND BEATS SEATTLE. We go to Chicago and beat Chicago And you know those were two big road winds In Teddy lead the way and he's been what any coach in what any organization would want their backup quarterback to be. You look at a player like Tatum Hill. Who can play any position On the field and Does it without without complaining Wherever the coaches want him to play he will play? I think just all around there the team with the least east amount of weaknesses. Obviously no teams perfect We're coming off a bye this week. We've got a division game against the Falcons And you know the tokens may not be great this year but it's still division game. I promise you they're not meaningfully bad. Well aw I like

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Episode 225: Jewish Psychedelics - Zac Kamenetz

Judaism Unbound

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Episode 225: Jewish Psychedelics - Zac Kamenetz

"A brief note before this episode of Judaism unbound as we released the episode this Friday. It's the end of a week in which our hearts have been broken in which so many hearts have been broken over the murder by police of George Floyd, and just one of many such incidents that have happened over the year over the last years, and over the last four. Hundred Years in America. America, it's something that perhaps this week has broken something open in our world, where perhaps justice can rise up finally, and perhaps not in which case we're going to have to keep fighting. We hope to do an episode of Judaism unbound short notice that would address the particular experiences that we're facing right now around race around Judaism and race around the experiences of Jews of color but for. For various reasons, largely because some of the people that we would most want to talk to or out on the barricades, or just physically or mentally exhausted, haven't been able to put together that show for this week, and so we've decided to run the show that we had planned to run this Friday, which is a wonderful and important episode of Judaism unbound, but we thought that we would. Would start by just saying that black lives matter we believe that Judaism should always be on the side of those who are the victims of oppression in society, and all the more so in that includes our siblings, our very own Jews of color, and so we are with you in solidarity. There is no us without you and we are going to address this very soon on Judaism unbound. But. We want to offer this episode this regular episode of Judaism. which perhaps will provide you some solace something to think about some other perspectives as Judaism unbound is always trying to do in a time that's been particularly difficult in terrible week as there have been many difficult in terrible weeks over the last years here in America and around the world I would know two things one is that in the most recent episode of the Oral Thomas, which is another show that we're producing on the Jewish live platform. You can find it at www dot. Jewish live dot org slash oral Talmud Buzney. lappy and I studied a taxed about the Jewish obligation to protest a text that says that those who can protest and who don't. Take upon themselves the burden of the sin of the thing that they should have been protesting against, and you'll hear in that conversation that protests can mean a variety of things, but to stand silent is not an option, and so we really hope that you'll take a look at that episode, and we also wanted to start this episode with a prayer that was written by our friend April Baskin, a previous guest on Judaism unbound someone who we deeply admire, and whose voice is really what we need right now. Just a few more words about April to remind you. She was formerly the vice president of a day Shas hospitality at the Union for Reform Judaism, and now she is the principal life coach and consultant at Joyous Justice Consulting, and also the racial justice director of the Jewish Social Justice Roundtable and here is April baskin in her own voice with a protest prayer? Protest, prayer. Beloved Sibling, striving for Justice Shama, listen closely at all times. My prayer for you that you remember protest is a sacred act just as the mourners codfish helps souls ascend to God. May Our cries soothe those whose lives were prematurely extinguished. And rattle the bones and stones of leaders and institutions leaving no question about the fact that things are never going back only forward. For more of us are clear that we have nothing to lose, but our chains we affirm we are a multiracial people. We will stand strong, humble and proud. As we follow and work in partnership with black leaders, taking steady strides in the direction of collective liberation. Support for this episode of Judaism unbound comes from the. Family. In Palo. Alto California whose vision is to be the architects of the Jewish Future. The family J. C. is an incubator for new expressions of Jewish identity. It creates innovative Jewish learning celebrations, arts programs that inspire personal connections to people and ideas from across the Jewish world. Learn more at www dot, Palo alto, JCC DOT org. This Judaism unbound episode two hundred twenty-five Jewish psychedelics. Welcome back, everyone I'm Dan, Lee Benson and I'm lex. Rothberg and we are here just after the holiday of Chevrolet, which marks on the Jewish calendar, the idea or the time when the Israelites gathered around Mount Sinai and Moses went up there and something happened over the course of forty days and Moses. Then came down with with something that he said now we gotta do this stuff and on Shavuot. We kind of reenact that Sinai moment in a certain way all kinds of ways and these days we're pushing the idea that and we just had this amazing twenty four hour study session. Session on the Internet as a number of other organizations, and so we think there's this idea that Sinai is kind of happening again in our time, and there's a new way in which Sinai might be happening again in our time, it might be that now. That Chevron has passed that holiday that marks when Moses went up to the mountain. This would be the time to sort of be curious about what actually happened there and our guest today. Is that Chemnitz hopefully can give us a little bit of a sense of perhaps what some of that might have been like? He is an. An Orthodox. Rabbi who participated in a study conducted by Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences Department at Johns Hopkins University exploring the nature of consciousness and mystical experience, and in that study clergy members from different religions where given high doses of the PSYCHEDELIC, substance that is found in magic mushrooms, and their responses were studied Zach's GonNa. Tell us about that study and its findings and his experiences and his work after the study on the other side of the studies, acas founded an organization, called the Jewish anthea Genyk Society, and he seeking to build Shefa, which is preparing for the time when these substances will. will be legalized, and after that it would provide a Jewish set and setting for individuals to have these experiences with trained guides to integrate these experiences within the context of Jewish, communal life and practice. That wasn't enough Zach is also the founder of the chef podcast network, which focuses on podcasts by embodied and inspiring teachers of cabalistic and Hasidic works in practices, and he's the CO director of beloved Berkeley. A home based experience in Jewish living out of his house. That weaves together steady singing, spiritual practices and delicious meals and fellowship, and he also has a full time day job as the. Director of Jewish living and learning the JCC of San Francisco. I have no idea how he does all these things, but we're excited to speak mostly about his experiences in the Johns Hopkins Study and his work after that. If you're interested in sex personal story, and how he came to be a rabbi, and how he came to do some of these other things that he's done, we would urge you to listen to another show on the Judaism unbound. Jewish life family the Adr our with Joe Schwarz where a few weeks ago Was the guest on that show, and they talked about some of that, and you can find that at www dot Jewish life dot org slash undermanned, so this promises to be a very exciting conversation. It was a longtime in coming. Says that Chemnitz, welcome to Judaism unbound. We are really thrilled to have this conversation with you. I'm excited to be with you today. So if you could just start a little bit by telling, US I guess. How you found out about this Johns Hopkins steady how they found you? Who are you before this? This study happened and and tell us a little bit about what the study was all about. I have been a rabbi since twenty twelve been working in the organized Jewish community in America right after that and working with bb Yo International, and then working with the JC of San Francisco I would say that I was kind of a regular Jewish progressive, Orthodox person who loved texts Love Community. and it was at some point in that. In that time that we had a very hard time. Time, my wife and I with infertility, and if the meaning the the color of the magic of Jewish life and community kind of just drained out, it was also at that time, where of mine sent me a rejection letter from the Johns Hopkins University study that you mentioned saying that he was not eligible to participate in this religious leaders study because she had had a prior experience with psychedelics so. He Ford it's me I wrote to them and I started communicating with one of the program. Managers there about how I would participate it was a very intense process. There were a number of screenings. They flew me out there to Baltimore. I had a medical screening I spoke with a number of guides. Lead researcher, his name's rolling griffiths and it. It was determined that I was I was right for the study, not only my life circumstance, but the fact that I had never experienced psychedelics before, and then they toss a coin. They saw that I would be in one aspect of the study enough the other delayed group and then I scheduled to major experiences with psychedelics six months apart from each other. What is the delayed group? mean the delay group means that you have to wait three months after your initial screening, so I think that's just part of the program design is that they have an immediate group. You are scheduled for the next week or so, and then the delayed group to see are. Is there any difference in the data between the people who immediately go into these experiences versus people who wait the anticipation? Maybe talking about it I. Don't know the precise details by I. think that there's something about about that. So can you give us a little bit of the context of the study? Like what exactly where they trying to find out was there and I. Guess Maybe also a little bit about. Where we might be starting from on this idea of psychedelics like a lot of us think of it as like some naughty anything that was being done in the sixties and. Then and then Timothy leary got in trouble and then it. Kinda was all over. And what's where's this going now? In terms of Science Church so in the fifties and sixties, like as you mentioned Timothy Leary, and also his his study buddy. reported Alpert. Who then became ramdas a these were professors of psychology at Harvard, and they had had direct experiences with these psychedelic mushrooms, as you mentioned and began Harvard suicide and project. They were trying to understand. What is the effects on a on patients who are experiencing PTSD depression? OCD other mental illness, but at the same time we're church, starting to understand something about the nature of consciousness, and as they began to understand consciousness, they looked at different religious traditions that talked about not the psychedelic experience about the mystical experience. Like what happens win. Your consciousness is blown up. Have the whitest picture of the universe, and you're a part in it, and these spiritual masters from various eastern and Western traditions wrote down what they would call these maps of consciousness, so for example the Tibetan book of the dead. Seems to describe when you're when you're going through this process of dying what you see in. What do you feel? And they took that to be at from the direct experiences, and from what others were telling them? Almost a direct parallel from the experience of taking so silence, so they thought there is something here, but the suicide project was shut down and several years later. All of these substances Magic Mushrooms Peyote Mescaline CACTI. they were made illegal under the controlled. Substance Act in the seventy s by Richard Nixon, so all of the research was completely shut down all other countries as well put these in a class of regulation that said there is no human benefit to the research, or even to the use of these things fast forward to two thousand and six a researcher as I. I mentioned griffiths and others out. They got permission from the FDA in the government to see if they could open up this research at Johns, Hopkins to see if they still had efficacy and benefit for people who are suffering from mental illness, and they published this paper called suicide men can occasion mystical type experiences, having substantial and sustained personal meaning and spiritual significance. And so they they ran this test in a controlled environment. With a number of test subjects and saw through data and data collection after giving a major dose of Civil Sivan. to these people after experiencing six hours of this inner journey there in a well-appointed room with guides that the experiences that they were having were just as Timothy leary and others had found mystical in its orientation, but from that initial paper, and you can read it online. You can find it at Hopkins Medicine Dot Org. They then started creating more and more studies to apply Silla. Sivan you different things longtime meditators. What happens to their minds? People who have terminal cancer? To their their sense of mine and sense of peace in anxiety when after they take it, people who are addicted to smoking what happens to people who are addicted to things, and they're finding really amazing stuff. And then I was in this study. What happens when you give major doses of this compound to people who have? A particular vocabulary and frameworks talk about their experiences that is influenced by religious tradition that is. Applied to spiritual practice, and the study is not published I don't know when it will be I. Know that there were about twenty participants on. They had a hard time finding rabbis and we'll see what they find to hopefully in the next year or so. You mentioned that they had a hard time finding rabbis and I've because I did a little bit of homework. I was really interested in the reasons why they had a hard time finding rabbis. And it it comes off as kind of funny, but I don't mean it in a funny way. I don't think you do. One of the reasons you talk about as why rabbis were not being accepted into the program, is that one of the prerequisites for the program is that you never had your own previous experience with with Mto Jen's and many rabbis that were looking into this program did have previous experiences and I read it and I was zero percent surprised and. I to dive into why because it's not just to me. It's not just like an interesting sociological fact that like okay, so there's a lot of Jews interested in. We use the word experimentation all the time. We don't mean it in in the way that people sometimes hear it with with. Drugs, but like we also could mean it that way, but so there's there's people that are Jewish who have been for a long time. Experimenting with entrance fight. But I think when people hear that there's this presumption that like okay. They're Jews, and maybe they're experimenting with these substances, but like is that in and of itself like a Jewish practice or an extension of Judaism I think people sort of like they don't see those as necessarily intertwined and I'd love to hear for you the ways in which they might intertwine like what what does it mean to have like a Jewish practice, a Jewish genyk practice. That is different from another kind of genetic practice. How should we think about how this connects to four? The rabbis that maybe have had previous experiences or not like what what's happening there. What links between this this practice and Judaism? For someone to take the opportunity to say that. I do not advocate anyone taking an illegal substance that is not part of a controlled experiment. These substances are illegal on the federal and state level even with decriminalization. Efforts to make it the lowest priority of law enforcement in Oakland Santa Cruz. Both in California and in Denver, a these things are still illegal. There are so many things that we don't know about so I just wanted to say that off the Bat. but for people who are taking these things I would say that. There I think that there is. This is complete conjecture. I think that there is something about participating in a religious tradition that has as its core in its core texts in its liturgy in. It's the musings from its greatest spiritual masters that are practice you ask. I think on this podcast. What is Judaism for? And my sense is that when you approach these texts, and maybe especially for religious professionals like rabbis who are dedicated to this Judaism is for reaching beyond yourself beyond your cognition beyond. Your biography and connecting to the great beyond. Let's call it or the divine or spirit or cutter sparkle the holy one. And I don't know if that experience is readily available for most practitioners I don't think you. You dobbin three times a day. You saybrook owed all day you give Sadaqa. You put onto fillon you teach. Your children Torah. Will you inevitably have mystical experience where you feel completely connected to the divine No I would say not, and of course we have these very of venerable honorable traditions of Jewish people Jewish masters, trying to attain that kind of consciousness, but I would say for the everyday practitioner especially not in the Orthodox world. Those things might not be achieved so easily. Maybe maybe people do feel that in meditation circles, but not to the level that I think it's described in our sacred literature. The rabbis who? were interested in this may be because of their envious genetic experiences because of. Their experiences when they were young and just having fun with LSD, or mushrooms or MD May. came to understand something about themselves. The nature of the universe, the nature of the divine, and their relationship toward it, and decided I think I need to dedicate myself to this and see what's there so therefore if they were being honest when they answered that question, and they were screened out I, would just say on the other side that I think not only were rabbis screened out, because most of them had had experiences with psychedelics before, but there's also a strong current in the Jewish world. especially in the Orthodox world. To, not be in touch with illicit substances so any not modern Orthodox Orthodox Haredi Hasidic. Rabbi or community leader might say I don't want to be part of the study because I don't WanNa. Take drugs. I WANNA. FOLLOW UP! It's interesting that LEX had that reaction to the idea that they had a hard time finding rabbis like I. my mind was going somewhere else where when I saw this study, and how it was talking about looking for clergy members who have these kind of? Closer experiences with God and that kind of thing or you know, what have you say? The vocabulary I kind of think of a lot of rabbis? I know who don't really have that. You know that I that I feel like a lot of rabbis I know, it's not necessarily what rabbi does. We're in the same way that we think of maybe various clergy from other religions that we think of them as very godly very much focused on God all the time and I. I often think of rabbis as some some of them are that and many of them are not, and and that's no shame. That's different way that Judaism function so I'm curious about whether for example rabbi, who might be one of the more intellectual types you know who doesn't really think about God that much with that rabbi, an eligible or eligible for this study in other words were they looking for people who are not only of clergy member, but a particular orientation already. I think that was probably a happy accident for me. in that you know I had had a dodge Innis meaning natural. Mystical experience when I was young That's actually how I came to become observant but I. don't think it was. It was not a prerequisite for people to define themselves as spiritual or holy or something. It was I think the criteria was for people who felt comfortable, being in that kind of vulnerable expanded state who were ready to download as much of their biographical and inner information with their guides as possible. And then to feel like it when things got hard, and that is part of this experience, fear anxiety sense of danger that they would be able to work with it. And not push it away right to dive into that difficult that difficult experience that bad trip, and come out the other side, having learned something or gain something so I would say someone who considers themselves rational or is a secular humanist or an atheist They might not like have a vision of the divine in front of them. You're the voice of God speaking, but they might They might experience Walter Houston Clark calls the beyond a sense of unity between things and all people. They might not come out writing a new book of the Torah, but there might be an insight there. That might guide the rest of their lives or just the next six months. Why does that matter? If somebody could hear that for example say okay I like I get it. The somebody experiencing this opens up to a set of ideas in a way that they hadn't before senses that unity that you talk about like sort of what does that mean? For that person? What does that mean for the world? What does that mean maybe I'll? Although this is like less interesting to me. What does it mean for the Jews like? So, so what? We take a couple of different ways. So what are like what now? Maybe not so what? What now? I think what you're talking about like. So what after that experience and that's what I hope to be doing through this work as well as not preferring the experience you know. Seeing myself giving birth to my wife giving birth to my daughter that did happen. It's not necessarily about the experience, but it is the integration that happens afterwards. So there's the preparation actually talking about my life in myself in my desires in my hopes and fears, there's the experience on the couch and then what happens after the fact, so what? Others read here from There's this organization called xango which is. A harm reduction organization. That makes sure that people are having psychedelic experiences know that they can go to a place like let's say burning men and feel safe. If they're having a hard time, they can go and be with someone to sit with them. Integration is the face with within which individual assimilates and incorporates inexperienced into their psyche, body and life. In psychotherapeutic terms, integration is a process of making the subconscious conscious integration as the process of reorganizing the self to include the material experienced during the altered state. So the so what is? After the ecstasy the laundry. How does this experience change you? How does it change your ethics? How does it change your ritual life? How does it change your doctrine? And through I think those three things I think a person could become transformed people. Community could become transformed from the integration of these deeply-felt experiences right this indubitable senses, not just like a good idea or value or a sense, not something that you read in a book and say that sounds good, but something that I cannot escape because it happened within this organism. I think that that's that's that's a different way of thinking about what what next not after a great song session, not after a wonderful thing, but some in some way I feel like I have been transformed and have to do something about it. I think that's a different way of thinking about Jewish spirituality and religion that we don't really talk about. Because the experiences don't have necessarily a might not have that kind of effect on the participants they might in a way in in meaningful bud. Small ways that don't necessarily last this. I think the promise is that. Not only according to the Hopkins Study. I think eighty percent of people rated their experience on suicide, Sivan as one of the top five most meaningful experiences of their life in their entire life in fifty percent called at the number one experience of their entire life. Could you imagine what would happen if a dedicated group of not rabbis just? Regular Normal Jews. Got Together did study. Did this in a safe supported in legal environment, and then said will what now what do we do with our tradition? What did we do with texts? What do we do with the ritual that has been given to us now that we know something more deeply about ourselves, maybe about the universe. Wait your story reminds me a little bit about when I first got the iphone when it first came out and I would let people play with it for a while, and they would be like so taken in by it, and then I would say to them. Can you imagine what it would be like? If Judaism was like this meeting? Remember that it's not only it's not only about what we do next. I think it's about the experience itself and I WanNa get into some of that a little bit because My sister was talking to me about the story. There's a famous story in the Talmud about an orchard and four rabbis go into this orchard, and one of them goes insane, and one of them dies, and one of them becomes a heretic, and only one of them you know comes out in one piece Rabbi Akiva basically and my sister after she read Michael Pollen's book about psychedelics. She wrote me I think I know what was growing that orchard. And I kind of thinking about this question of the primary religious experience like if we think about the various. The various may be rabbis of the early days, but certainly the profits, the people and some of them sound like a really good trip, and some of them sound like a really bad trip, and it's really interesting to think about. Either because maybe they had some. Some chemical, help or not, or maybe they were somehow able to get themselves into a similar state of mind in a different way, but it sounds very much like if we take seriously the prophets and it wasn't just that they made stuff up in Rhode fake books. They actually had some kind of experience. If we don't believe if for those of us who don't believe that it was actually God choosing them and coming down and doing that, you know but nevertheless. That experience should be taken seriously as a real experience, and it feels to me like what what something like you're describing indicates is that? That experience really Israel and it can be real and the way that we might know how most easily to induce it in our time is through psychedelics and I know that there are other kinds of practices that have to do with like deep breathing or breathing or something. That's induce similar. Things are meditation and so I. Guess I'm curious if you could talk a little bit about as you're reflecting on this about both kind of what might have been like what was happening back then I mean that these people are having these primary experiences and. And then I kind of feel like they somehow translated that into Judaism into these into these practices, and that over two thousand years, maybe with more and more distance they become more and more distant from that primary experience, and then it sort of feels like they're not really getting us I think maybe to wear. Their originators thought they would get us to. And what do we do when option is to say hey, and I guess that's my question. About what do we do now in a world in which we can all have the primary experience? Granted wait till it's legal, but should we be aspiring to all? Have that primary experience? Because that's really what it's all about, or is there some sense like this is what I was always say with the IPHONE. It's like if Judaism isn't being experience like this, but I can have this kind of experience, and then I kind of say. Oh, I wish that Judaism was like this. Maybe there's some way that we can do some repair work on Judaism so that it would feel like that without the drugs yeah. I think you and Michael Paulin. You know it's. It's good to have like interested skeptics. Like, what's actually happening, okay? The people who are enthusiastic, they look over some of the risks, are they? Look over you know some of the other methods and I think they call them like Psychedelic Messiahs, and it might sound like I am like Psychedelic Messiah Ing, but I'm actually more interested in the states of consciousness, and not necessarily in the means, because like you mentioned there are. Are Many means to this, but I think as you mentioned again. This is the crash course in getting to the top of the mountain We could walk up the walk up the path. We could even take a helicopter ride up to the top, but of taking a rocket ship is a completely different thing, so what was happening to the biblical prophets? I imagine that what these people were going through, and I really appreciate that you said that they were real experiences, and not made up was entering into this expanded state. We don't have a record of. People, smoking or anything, but merely that they haven't. We don't have the circumstances with which they happened or the the training that they went through. We have some some training in the Hebrew Bible at least some prophets. But they had this vision that was completely real to them. They had either a vision that they could see like thinking about your cal and the the the chariot that was that was moving, and it was. You know so elaborate and psychedelic. You could say your skill is the book of Ezekiel. Zeke you'll thank you. Or that they had a profound sense of the political situation happening in Judea and what need what the community needed to do at that point either it was to repent. They they had to do. They had to. Look at their actions and see how their political circumstances were somehow connected to the way that they were running or not running their society. That is I. Guess that is possible in expanded state I. I did not have a vision of what I think all Jews or all people. I didn't have a world vision. I had a workplace vision. I. At one point in my first trip I saw a giant tree I, and I immediately knew that this was The eight Suhaimi the tree of life that Cobb ballistic structure that shows the ten points of emanation from. The, beyond the of the God head, or whatever and I saw that there were these two points left and right, blue and red, that were emanating energy in flowing back, and forth from each other red to blue, red to blue and I. Understood this in the context of something that was happening in my professional life, and immediately after I came home from Johns Hopkins I started taking actions only because of that. Maybe I would have gotten to that insight later, but maybe not, and so in a small way, then that's a reflection of seeing something feeling, something, intuitive something, and then doing something about it, and perhaps you know these prophets were so great that they could do it on a national scale, they can do it for all of Israel or Aisa doing it for all of the world. And perhaps they just have a ma-. Maybe those people have more of a role in organized or disorganized Jewish life I. Don't think we talk. A. As, often as we should about these you know these mystics among us I think that we still experience of the you know the mystics among us in the liberal world necessarily might have some bashfulness spiritual bashfulness as Hessel causing about talking about you know. I had a vision I had this deeply important dream for two hundred years, or so because of the enlightenment, the Hoskokawa liberal movements. This is something that they couldn't tolerate because it was not something that their neighbors would probably look favorably upon to integrate into a polite European society, and it was mostly jettisoned. By Western a Jewish practitioners and communities. If the texts surveillance, they might not be well understood or even learned by most people the practices. Are are written down and even still communicated from teacher to student, but it's not part of our our Jewish day. It's not part of our Jewish month. For most communities and I think as these substances become more widely available through expanded access through legalization decriminalization I think it is important that a Jewish people get to know their mystical texts and practices better, because let's say that a center opens for psychedelic exploration for healing from PTSD or even just going for general wellness in self exploration. It's important for people to know what their heritage has to say about the preparation, the exploration and the integration of this. And? There's a lot of material. I would like to get started now. It might take fifteen years. To build from now to the point where most people can experience, but there's a lot of work to do so collecting these texts getting to know these teachers translating them in getting to understand them. And being able to explore now what it means to have a mystical state of con- be in a mystical state of consciousness. For the time when these things become more normalized in our society. I was also thinking about biblical texts and some tie-ins here, but a very different, very different area of the Bible I'm going to be ordained as a rabbi in not too long, and I'm working on my spill, my rabbinic to Schubarth. Thank you. I'm I'm rick working on my sort of final capstone project? Give my take on. An issue of of importance in Jewish law. And I'm looking at something that is like very obscure, and we don't need to go into all the INS and outs of it, but the Nasdaq vow. The Nasdaq, Val for me is a deeply interesting thing, because once you don't need to know the details, but basically it is, it is an intensive experienced by an individual of an attempt at sort of transcendence, attempted closeness to God. That appears to be sort of what it is in the book of numbers when it's brought up and. Like NATO Jen's by the way it is seen in all sorts of eras and context as very dangerous. It is seen as something that you shouldn't do without thinking through beforehand the consequences it's something that the rabbis actually deeply discouraged, and because there's some temple sacrifices associated with it. The rabbis actually sort of seemed to eventually get to a point where they sort of are like well, you can't. Can't really do this at all. 'cause there's no temple and you can't make the sacrifices at the end like a bummer. It's gone shucks this part of, but it seems like they actually just didn't like the practice because of the risks that it's associated with, and so it's funny, because one of the practices of the Nasdaq vow is that you specifically don't imbibe alcohol. You don't and buy wine. and. Some would say alcohol. And it's and there's other mechanisms in place that sort of force you to be in a deeply individual space, not part of the community in the ways that you normally would be. Like I, want to ask about that because what most excites me about your project, and you know hopefully our collective project of the fifteen years you talked about and beyond is I think we have a huge deficit of attempts of Jewish attempts at transcendent individual experience? I think we have been so thoroughly. We've so thoroughly bought into communitarianism, which is good, I like it of most of our society is very much, not that we need collective thing in a moment of distancing. It's very clear why we need to be beyond ourselves, but I think we've so taught ourselves that Jewish leaders like. Nothing. We can do on our own we need. We need ten people. While I once again, acknowledging that you said specifically there needs to be somebody along for the ride. As you are taking on this experience, it's not ten. It's not a huge group and I think that there is a notion that an individual you other individual clergy that were part of the study others themselves are transformed in their own way and I think that we we need that Jewish and I'm pining for more ways to get it that and it's often hard for me to say. Say it. It's a different kind of bashful in this than what you said before. It's like I feel like any time I talk about. We need an individualized Jewish practice. Everybody's ready to jump and say but community but community. We need community I agree, but I'd love to hear from. Is this part of a bigger conversation? That's not actually just about NATO Jen's, but about ways that Jewish -ly we can sort of seek out individualized experiences of whether it's God or transcendence or the beyond. Lax with the Nazar Right. I think with the sense of the collective in the in the community is primary the Individual Secondary. I, think this all comes back to hegemony authority. Who is invested who is vested with the ability to say what is authoritative in an authentic? I think you know the texts that you mentioned. In several. Many others there is a there's a strong current against people having their own individual experiences, other than know the biblical prophets which are codified and then interpreted, and you brought into a collective there's. A deviation from norm like that say easy. Keel described something different about what the temple will look like you know the Third Temple will look like commentators will then have to show how it actually is in line with a former tradition. Up the ability for someone to have a profound insight. Not just like Oh, I need to do something different my workplace. But about how? We are reading texts about how we are. Doing Chabad. Those things have some danger to them. it could reorganize practice it can reorganize can be enormous. And there's not only that but the fear of abuse that people could say I've had this. I've had this insight I've had this revelation. Come and follow me and people are actually doing up nearly to feed their own egos. and to amass power. And we don't have necessarily great ways of regulating other than I can imagine just like again just like hypothesizing maybe in. Orthodox and Ultra Orthodox circles where there is already so much conscription about daily life that maybe the ability to adventure to journey inward then right, there's a control outside like you can be having these wild visions, but you're still gonNA. Put on film three times a day. You're still going to be keeping kosher in your life is going to look mostly like everyone else's so there's inward. But external communal normativity, so yeah I agree that more individuals should be having these types of expanded experiences Dan. You mentioned a breathing technique. I would encourage people to look at Hala Tropic breath work on. That's the name of for like one of these techniques. There's something that can happen profoundly just by. Breathing very quickly for forty minutes and listening to loud music. There's something that can happen very profoundly by putting yourself in particular postures for a long amount of time or fasting or longer than you would otherwise. And there has to be I. Think Integration like you're talking were now. Talking about then has to happen in the context of relationship. We can't avoid. We might be able to say yes more emphasis on the individual, but so much about what I think. At least NCA JEN's might. is how we then think about our relationship structures, either with no my own physical body me and my mother, my wife and I, my community and I. my world and I am not just like me me me. And I think that's you know that in some ways. That's actually what these plants end. Compounds do maybe Dan. You remember probably from Michael Pollen's book. He talks about where the the lasting effect of these of these compounds is that they do something to what is called the default network, which actually gives the ego right the sense of individuation. I me mine a little break in some instances. Complete dissolution from the EGO right the. The I am. Takes a break for you and has arrest, and then you're then able to explore. If if I wasn't here. If I wasn't just my body, if I wasn't just my really interesting thoughts, what would then I be able to see in participated? In this place that I'm hoping for in fifteen years, it will be one person on the couch. And then integrated into a larger community, but there are other models like people who work with Shamans and other countries and Mexico and South America they are group's experiences like we hear about Iowa's circles in Peru in Colombia of people taking this medicine together. I'm not ready to think about that I'm just kind of going off the clinical model. That might also then shape how we think about these things, so yes and. So. I actually want to go back to what you were talking about earlier, and I'm curious about this as as a vision or as an idea and just something that. For like I think what I'm trying to get at, is that when somebody, especially with kind of more intellectual? Bente Lake me. You know who hasn't had a lot of these kinds of experiences, not only with psychedelics, but like I haven't even been to burning man, you know. I have either right like I haven't done these kinds of things and when I encounter somebody who comes from that more mystical spiritual world, actually have a lot of respect for it. I actually feel like. There's something real there, but I have a hard time accessing it because it's kind of very beyond my experience and my orientation I have a sense that if I did what you did, if I had this one experience in a controlled environment, you know Cetera, then I would have kind of a point of reference so then when somebody who maybe has had that experience with psychedelics, or maybe not, maybe they're just a more mystical kind of person would say to me like this or that idea or this or that notion? Notion I would I would be able to tap into it on a visceral level, which right now I can only kind of intellectually understand. Yeah, that's real and I respect it, but I can't connect to it, and so I'm wondering if a better world would be one in witch. Part of your life would be that you've you've done this a few times or once, and that then the kind of Shaman type of person, the person who really has more of the expertise about how do we make sense of this? Can then be helping you process and experience that you've actually had rather than what I kind of experience religion as being which is some version of somebody who hasn't even really had the primary experience, but maybe they've had a secondary experience trying to in some way lead these people who haven't even had the secondary experience. Maybe they have a tertiary experience to try to somehow do something spiritually elevating and I think it tends to not work to the frustration of everyone and I just wonder what you think about that I mean. Mean I know that you. That's not your short term aspiration, but but I wonder like. Is that a with that? Be a better world, or is it not so much a better world, because as I also totally acknowledged these things are dangerous and many levels, and maybe it's not meant to be fully democratized. Maybe that's where Timothy leary got in trouble. Certainly, that's where he got in trouble with the government, but maybe it wasn't a good idea. I guess. I'm just curious how you're putting all that together from this vantage point. I definitely you know I I can't say enough for as often as I should that the things that I'm talking about even in legal environments, these things are not for everyone. There are so many reasons why people get screened out. Not just because they did it before, but past family history with mental health, their own mental health there are risks that are involved and so that's why I think it's about all of the modalities but this one just being the most reliable and repeatable one. Dan what you're what you're talking about again back from back. Pollen's book is you know he was able to kind of synthesize all of his experience into like something very like I think meaningful and concise is that he was able to take a break from his own subjectivity. And the objectivity of everything else right, not just me as a subject than that. I-, objectify things. And that he then kind of diagnosis, the world is having the like sickness that needs a medicine for that right environmental degradation. Human Rights everything where we try to assert power and control over something else has become demonic. I would say and so if we can take a break from that, because of these medicines or other modalities, we might then not disrupt our entire world and society, because of amassing things for our own our own desire, and to the other part of your question, you I, actually saw an example of this on facebook the other day. Someone was describing something about reading rebbe. Assessment powerful mystical practitioner, incredible community leader. And a? Writer. Of Mystical of reality and truth and I know this person I know where he comes from an, he's interested in and said, and he said like this is just a laundry. List of this is like that. That is like this this. The this reminds me of this right just like free association, but with no meaning. And from his rational perspective, that kind of Mystical Association holds no content. But from someone who has had a direct experience of that the yeah I remember when I saw shapes forming in and out. I don't know how long it was, but I saw that all of these concepts of material matter were merely just coming into being an out over and again. And I can then read that inside Rabin offense text. Maybe he didn't. He didn't take a pill and see that, but he saw the. Concepts in some way are connected to each other and have something to say to each other and someone who has not felt that deeply who has not experienced the unity and dynamism of all things over time. How could they know? And I think that like the process that you have described, and that's the process of secularization Peter Berger calls it removing. This sacred canopy where we can you feel divinity or unity in all things because of. Industrialization Technology our current. Acceleration of technology and secularization that we can't even access it, and so then what is how would you understand Judaism without some sense of that? Even if it was a small sense, I think that we are in some ways like looking at a thing that we can't even understand we understand it in our limited way are limited perspective, but there's something deeper and beyond that we can only then tap into and find meaning by having a direct experience of this. So how do we get more people to know that and to access things about our? Our, culture, and our tradition that are often laid just by the wayside, they're stuck in translation there inaccessible and seen as kind of meaningless or silly, and so I think it is crucial to be looking at people who are living these things throughout their daily life and through the lives of their families through the the texts that they read the ways that they pray the ways that they sing the ways that they eat as embodying some sort of spiritual or mystical knowledge but those are things that get in the way. They're people who. Are Part of those communities with those practices and knowledge there might be aspects of their culture that we are. Not excited about, or we immediately turned off with because of their cultural norms and values that are not in line with ours. So I think that there has to be some bridging ben between the communities, as well and sharing sharing knowledge, and making it authentically hours, whoever that we is who is not participating in it yet to say, we don't have to become older Orthodox to appreciate the texts and practices that are associated with the mystical aspects of community. We can bring it and we can. We can democratize it in our way. We can make it feminist. We can make it a gala -Tarian. We can do all of these things, but we just have to get started. So that's a perfect segue. to the topic I wanted to to make sure we fit in before the topics to the person I wanted to make sure we brought in. In talking about. Taking mystical teachings and finding ways to map it onto feminism onto anti-racism work to like to me. It would be very silly for us not to bring up Zalman Schachter Shlomi. I Want I. Want to dive into him a little bit because it would be silly not to. We have a person in American, Jewish history in from the twentieth century from not too long ago. Who I would argue got this train in motion. I mean you talked about a fifteen year? Effort to me your fifteen year. Effort is an extension of I no forty year forty. Number of decades starting in the summer of nineteen sixty three. So, so it's an extension of a of a fifty seven year. Effort that I think Zalman. Schachter slow me helped to put in motion which was. He directly was in community with Timothy. He met Timothy leary he. He was deeply affected, and then he with that with some of his own experiences, and also his own background, and all sorts of other things he said about creating a world that would blend mystical teachings and experience with I mean not just with psychedelics, but with a whole sort of universe of counterculture practices that that I think has had a powerful impact already, so I guess I I love to hear from you a little bit about the role that Zalm Chapter Shalom, he plays. I'm using present tense. Actually played it how it's good for ready, yeah! But also sort of give us a window into some the background that leads to the work that you're that you're doing. Well there are plenty of other people who no resonance, entire Corpus have sat with him and lived with him, and you studied with him so in some ways my experiences is secondary. It's like I like to say that. I sent him a skype. Invite that he never accepted. Chew story the all of. He passed away before I could I could reach out and call him. Some? Resentment is is one of if not the patron saint, so he he is the revie of thinking. About a number of these these questions and we have a primary document, right? That's also very exciting. Few go to my website. Zach cabinets DOT COM. You can find a link to one of my projects, which is, we have transcribed the original trip report. You mentioned that he had been with Timothy leary. He had a relationship Timothy Leary I'll go in further to say if the first time that he took LSD one of the. Major classes of psychedelics. was with Timothy leary on a day off from a working at Camp Burma. In nineteen sixty three he wrote about forty pages about What happens on the way there? When they got there and his integration process afterwards on the ride home. It's a fascinating document. It was published before another collection. But it had been highly edited because of all of the Hebrew in the Yiddish, and so now we have. We have transcribed the original document that you can find, and this will be a hopefully one of the first tax of Jewish NCA, Genyk psychedelic reader, and I think that what he's set out. Someone told me that you're the only reason that we have a renewal Judaism is because he took LSD. that might be the case I don't know it's never cited. But I think what results showed and through his experiences is that? Not only can we have these direct experiences? With what I continue to call the beyond, but that it would lead to greater commitments to the Jewish project. It wouldn't merely be tuning in turning on tuning in and dropping out going in and living somewhere on a on a funny commune but becoming more deeply integrated into the stuff of Jewish life into Jewish ritual. And And at the same time. To be open to syncretism. This idea that not only was it you know maybe one hundred percent commitment to Judaism. But that yeah, you know I'm hanging out with the Buddha. I'm hanging out with Lord Shiva. I'm hanging out with. These other philosophical truths from other from other religions, but they're all sitting together and I'm I'm living inside the right. This idea of perennial listen that there are these mystical truths that exists at the top of the mountain, and once you get to the top. You've been taking these winding roads up the hill. Of consciousness they seem to be different. They seem to have a different degrees of difficulty in different aspects, but once you reach the peak. This peak experiences you all. Reach the top at the Yale and there's more similarities than there is difference I think there's there's also something uncomfortable about that so these two things. Full, commitment syncretism, and to blend them with our our current sensibilities. Is, a really rich tapestry that even though fifty seven years later were really just trying to. Get better at and know more about. And it seems like an amazing move resolutions day off at like that and. For next week. We're going to be interviewing the director of Camper Ma about their employment practices to the about how they're. I would like to read the article by that directive camp promote like the other side of the story like what my staff took a day off, and you know went to have LSD with Timothy, leary. And how did they feel about? Well? He already you know he was. He was already and I've done interviews with as many people as I could That were there with him at Roma. Some of his members, some of his biographers and archivists you know. He already was pushing the boundaries at at Camp and so this was just another steph. In that boundary crossing that made him in a lot of ways of beloved, it was not only that he was trying to get everyone to freak out on making their own Thomas, but he had a huge heart, and really shared that with people more than anything. Thank you so much. Zach Chemnitz rejoining us. There's been a fantastic conversation. There's so much for us to continue meditating on experiencing, and it's just really fun to be thought partners with you. Thank you both this is exciting and to be able to share these ideas with you a my projects. They're all on my website. Hoping to be the world's first Rabbinic psychedelic assisted therapist, and always just wanting to educate and advocate our community more communities about what this really means. It's already happening and I'm hoping to continuing. Absolutely. Thank you so much, and we're going to close out our episode. Thanks to all of you out there, listening or watching if you're watching via facebook, live and To close with a few different ways that you can be in touch with us and I'll start with Zach dot com. That's an important one Z. A. C.! And then K. A. M. E. N. E. T. Z. dot com no H in in Zach. 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Patrick Mahomes WORTH HALF A BILLI, NBA Fyre Festival, DJAX WTF, Ranked: Appetizers & Special Guest - Will Rayman

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Patrick Mahomes WORTH HALF A BILLI, NBA Fyre Festival, DJAX WTF, Ranked: Appetizers & Special Guest - Will Rayman

"What setback FAM- welcome back to another episode of Snapback Sports Pat on this episode. We talked Patrick Mahomes ten year. Deal with the Kansas City. Chiefs Mba, fire festival situation, and we have a great conversation with Will Raymond. He's on team behind army in the basketball tournament. Really cool conversation about how the bubble works. How that's all going, and then we rank appetizers. Yes, the greatest food on this earth is the appetizer. We rank them all back fem new APP scanner select. Lamar Jackson. Is All all you every year. The. Philadelphia the. Old. Brian I'm your host Jack Settlement Join me today as always my Costa Longtime, best friend a grant off. What is on your mind today? So what's on my mind today? I wanted to break a little news to start the episode because. Did. You hit the record button. I didn't hit record on zoom, but we don't need anything in the beginning. Okay, we keep. Lo- me into. A and I saw the Red Button Papa. Three To. Abe. Found to debt. So on my mind today. I'm not doing too great. I wanted to I wanted to break some news as well so this past weekend July fourth. Actually it was yesterday, but I was playing spike ball on the beach with some friends when six now just wanted to throw that in there. I've got a mean left hand, but I took one bad step in a later game, and totally threw my back out I'm talking like forty five year old. Your Dad complains about having back pain. Pain and I've never sympathised with that person more than I do right now so I cannot really walk so I wanted to break the news on the pod before Woche. Go to it that unfortunately I will not be joining the New Jersey the Brooklyn Nets in Orlando in the bubble and suiting up for them I know they're desperate for players, but due to a back injury. I will be sitting out of the NBA, restart. While I appreciate you sharing that I, actually was dealing back problems at the beginning of quarantine. No joke, it's not a joke. It makes you not want to get out of bed in the morning, but I've got some stretches and exercises. We can talk about after the pod. I'm still available I. Don't know how my fans would feel about me going to play the nets being a knicks fan. It's A. It's A. It's a business. There's been player there's been eagles have played for the cowboys Ravens played for the steelers guided have gotTa Dale. Right Deandra I could be the deandre Jordan of this year. Replace him in his role. In bigger news than your back injury enough answer back Patrick Mahomes signs a ten year extension worth a half billion dollars for the Kansas City chiefs. He'll be there for twelve seasons because he's already has two years left on his deal. We talked about this initially now. More details have come out. The deal is extremely team friendly to say the least with murder incentives. What was the word they were using that? Guarantee mechanisms. Yeah, and everyone's trying to act like Oh. That's a great deal. Of guarantee mechanisms, you're a boldface liar. I still don't get it I. Still. Don't get it I. Think it's pretty much I. think it's just fancy word for incentives. One hundred percent because the mechanisms were F. C. Championship, super, Bowl and MVP. which will get a bunch of those mahomes signs that deal? Let's discuss. Yeah, I mean originally we got into a rapid reaction Pod, and before we even hopped on the G.. Live I facetime. You WanNa go. So, what do you think and you go well? This is the worst contract in NFL history. and I called you ignorant, because you said that without even knowing a single number on the deal, it could have been ten years for one hundred million, and you would have and. I'M GONNA. Let you start because you're the one that's that said. This is the worst the NFL history and I think you have to retract that statement. I don't have to retract that statement. I'm going to completely stick to my guns legible style. It's not as much a double down. I'm double down on a very specific thing I said about the contract I. Feel like you with this contract is kind of me with the forty niners from last year, not a went out in front of it. Okay, let's first and then I just had to ride it out and it continued to get not. Because I haven't said the chief won't be successful. All I've done is pointing out that taking up. A large percentage of the cap as a quarterback can be prohibiting your team from success in the future, but I'm not saying which is which is a fact, which is the fact I'm actually not saying that she's I haven't gone your route and said this contract so bad. The cheese won't want a roll. MAHOMES IS GONNA Stink I'm not saying Oh nine. Where are you just kept saying? They I mean they definitely fell short of expectations. Lash exactly Super Bowl. All I'm saying is the contract makes no sense to give a ten year deal. This is the first ten year. In seventeen seasons because tenure deals don't work to quarterbacks. The Chances Report Act last for ten years very slim. This is actually essentially a twelve year deal. We know there's ways to get out, etc, etc, but my whole thesis behind why there's a bad deal ten years extremely unnecessary to give a ten year contract all. That's going to put you in a bad spot in a nine years. Because why not give them a five-year Max deal? He had two years left on the contract. You said, maybe it's because then he would walk on the chiefs potentially. He's not gonNA play two more years without guaranteed money. We know that for a fact right, so why not five year deal? If after five years they won two super bowls. Want us to roll. All things are great in Kansas City. He's the mayor of the city. City he's the mayor of the state. They're going to give them that same exact blank. Check deal another five year. Deal right if all things are great, let's say mahomes without the weapons without defense Andy Reid retires and five more years. Maybe picked up another injury. Let's say he's nowhere near where he is now Allah. Aaron Rodgers like there's been quarterback paid manning's career kind of fell off a cliff right here that fifty touchdowns. Neck surgeries. Exactly mahomes got hurt this year. Obviously completely different levels point is, it would have given the chiefs and out I. Know we think in a moment recency vice. Why would they want an out as Patrick Mahomes but I? The reason why I think it was terrible, it seemed completely unnecessary because the two years left and he couldn't walk. That's what I think. Let me, ask you a question. Do you believe that the contract will last ten years because for my standpoint from my point of view? The ten years notion behind it is the biggest fake news out there because. He's going to be making forty five million a year. He's not taking. He's taking no big cap hit than he was going to in these next two years. So then it becomes something in round like March of twenty twenty two, he starts getting up to like sixty or or hundred forty million in guaranteed at what it is what it was when when the NFL strikes a new TV deal, which isn't a few years. The cap is going to go crazy because there's going to be all this revenue in his. Give me a bigger revenue split between the owners and the players at that point, but let's let's mark down for one more super bowl. Let's Markham Dan. Patrick Mahomes. We'll have all the leverage in the world because he gave his team friendly deal to go back to the negotiating table, and to strike a new deal I. See no way this the last ten years. The reason why I don't think ten years is a bad deal. Because it gives the chiefs a lot of flexibility to plan years in advance how they're going to allocate their money because they know how much money their quarterback is going to cost. When you when you have a contract that's coming up with a quarterback in a few years. That's the big unknown with a football organization. You don't know how much money he's gotta get therefore hard to plan out how much to pay for weapons. How much you pay for an offensive line having that flexibility and knowing how much is it going to cost that much down the road? Allows them to plan out the rosters for years down the road, and then when Pat Mahomes gets to the table again. He understands what Rosser they have and what they have in place, and then he can maybe take a little bit more money because he knows he'll have the weapons already in place, so that's why I. Don't think the ten years. Is that bad? But at the same time I think they'll be right back in the negotiating table and five years also why I think this is such a great deal for ten years because. Andy Reed's behind it because he is the core. How much longer the rumors he retired after the Super Bowl had mahomes, pat mahomes went to Andy Reid I just found this out went to Andy. Reid before he signed this contract and says I need a guarantee that you're not going anywhere. Andy Reid said he has no plans to go anywhere till least Patrick Mahomes, he has desire to coach his early Seventies. I think he's sixty two years old so andy. Reid isn't going anywhere, and you're not going anywhere. The thing with Andy Reid. Is He did this? This with Donovan mcnabb he has experienced. He was able to plan out the eagles listen. He was able to plan out the eagles roster years and events now Donovan mcnabb is ten percent. If that the quarterback that Patrick Mahomes was, and you can look at the success. That Andy Reid had with the eagles. He couldn't get over the hump, but he was always constantly in the mix winning division titles getting to the NFC championship game, losing in the NFC championship game, but the upgrade from Donovan mcnabb to a guy like Patrick Mahomes is that much different why? Sears is a perfect deal for both sides absolutely. Let me just put in perspective. What signing a quarterback to this level means! We're obsessed with mahomes right now, and it annoys me because I actually removed from a home. People think I wrote against him because of Lamar, I really don't. He's one of the most quarterbacks to watch. He really is and maybe he'll dominate US forever. Who knows? But. Think about this right? We're talking about how great Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes Down in the playoff games twenty four nothing to the Texans right? He brought them back. But how do you bring them back? Calcium multiple touchdowns. Zoo through him that touchdown. Hold on, hold on, let me get to my point. tyree huge Watkins's US and we can't sleep on the defense tie. Ram was back there. Chandler Jones is on the like they had pieces right, and they drafted a couple of younger guys, which is helping them out? Down Twenty four nothing acting, they fall down double digits in that in the F. C. Championship to the titans, they fall down double digits in the Super Bowl, and he's huge for them, but if Sammy Watkins doesn't burn Richard Sherman they don't take the lead. If Damian Williams is in massive for them, they don't take the lead. They don't win the game if tyreek Hill doesn't catch at third and fifteen bomb 'em real sleep. How many players in the world are getting open on that pass not many. And the event has to hold right because if the Texans keep scoring, they're up twenty four nothing. The game's over no matter how many points moments scores my point is. tyreek Hill Kelsey Damian Williams Tyron Jones. You just can't keep these guys for that long. When you sign a guide to that amount, rogers targets went from Jordan now and COBB, and all those guys, and now if fell apart because they invest in defense. Particular in what you choose it really frightens may not of what does mahomes look like without Travis CALC-? He'll still be a superstar. My point is it's so hard to a super bowl. And it took every one of those big name players to get them with hunt. MAHOMES led the charge Andy Reed's a great play caller. But they're one play away in multiple games, and that players not gonna be there during the course of this ten year deal five zero CETERA. They return all twenty two this guy. This year is a massive opportunity for them. Obviously, we were the fans but I. Just want to be clear like I think they'll probably get one, but by no means do I think it's a lock that they win the Super Bowl on that deal. I think it is absolute. Lock that they win a super bowl and say that because I looked to Patrick mahomes Patrick mahomes is a different breed. I don't know I think. No no, he is no, no, no, he is in his first in his rookie year he threw fifty touchdowns in his second year. He led them to the AFC championship game and was probably rookie didn't play. In his first year plan was. The first year playing, he went to yet many did the fifty Murrah And he's supposed to. Actually my point is look at the F. C. Championship. How good was he right? How was he and they still lost that game because they didn't have all the pieces? It's such a more wholesome game than again like he was carrying the Twenty Fifth Ranked Defense that AFC championship game, and then became a priest at penalty away from that from the role and I think we agree. He was gonNA. What is what is your point? My point is takes every little player the fact he's. Have top defense again. They'll never have tyreek C. Damian. Again it's just impossible with the contract because the contracts not signed to the not south of the salary cap, so when the cap goes up, the homes is locked into that number, and all the money is used to allocate elsewhere. Ready for this. I heard this on ESPN this morning. I couldn't agree more. In ten years or whatever the Michael Jordan Lebron conversation will be the same conversation we're having between. Tom, Brady and Patrick. Mahomes where Patrick Mahomes is going to be by far and away the greatest talent we've ever seen undeniably like Lebron James's and will have a few less rings, but then Tom Brady stands will have that Oh. He has six rings argument. When realistically the things that Patrick Mahomes doing this early in his career, Brady wasn't even doing close to that Brady was having defenses carry him to the early parts of the Super Bowl and really wasn't becoming that that that Basil I mean yes agreed, but also take into account. Be Fair, type League Passing League scoring. All that so, but I agree like you want to hear the craziest status. Go look at Marino stats from the year. He did it and match mahomes stats. In that era. That's even not ear. Dude Patrick Mahomes unbelievable but I just gotTa pump the brakes because. Aaron Rodgers was a thing he was that thing. It was Aaron Rodgers. It was Brady it was it was I. Love that I think he's way above that and I think you have to look at the outstanding circumstances of what Patrick Mahomes outside of Patrick Mahomes at Kansas. City chiefs have and the fact that he had one of the greatest offense of minds as a head coach. Andy Reid I think badly big. Thing here right Rogers was with McCarthy. That's almost like Lebron with every bad coach, Bell Check Brady Mj and Phil Jackson Right. That's what always complicated now you you even applying field with Andy Reid. It definitely makes things interesting. I'm just nervous. He's on the big deal now. not this year, said this year's and other great year after that no, but it does start to shame matic, same amount of cap hit in the next two years, but That can't be possible because he makes twice. Not Yell from the rookie deal. Percy has like twenty eight million dollars left. I believe on these two to four this year and twenty four the next year it's it's bizarre house. We'll look into, but nonetheless. Listen bottom line is when you have a guy like Patrick mahomes. There's nothing bad about keeping him on your team. For that longer. Especially knowing how much quarterback contracts have increased in value, I think like what eight ten years ago or something. I don't even know what it was Eli. Manning or someone was that highest paid quarterback at like twelve million dollars a year, if Patrick Mahomes and five years is still making forty five billion dollars. He's not going to be a top five paid quarterback in the league. You'RE GONNA. Have Lamar. Jackson Shawn Watson Cross your fingers. You'RE GONNA have Dak Prescott. Joe. Burrow you're gonNA, Cuyler Murray you have all these guys to next man up, whereas, and they'll be of that big that much bigger cap, or the chiefs can spend elsewhere. I think you look at this deal, and it is the perfect deal for both parties involved Patrick Mahomes and even said that himself he wanted to be financially stable. I mean he got that, and then some for future generations, as well as he won the leave flexibility for the chiefs to be able to do something, and I think he did that. We will see. That's the fun thing about sports. You're actually get to find out what what's going to happen I. would just I wish we had podcast during the Rogers Years Right I. Just a will always related to that because Amb Roger, he's crazy and also ranked number three quarterback, but we're not gonNA. Talk about that. I, actually this was in the plans but I just remembered it and we have to talk about it. without joking about it, also desha Jackson made. Made some I mean. He posted some story, and obviously this hits home way harder for us. That may be most people out. There were both Jewish, and he posts a Hitler quote so I don't really want to break down the hall. Should he be cut or like? What's all the ACA stuff It's more just like it's bullshit. Number one that you could be so ignorant especially during these times and then number two I'm kind of disappointed in the NFL's reaction. Right because. Jewish! I mean we now. There hasn't been that big of a reaction it right now. Truly there's been a statement from the NFL. That's my name, but look at look at what happened. When drew brees sets on the and drew brees is comments were extremely tone-deaf. He's a Latte. He's entitled to his opinion. I actually feel strongly about that, but extremely tone-deaf. But when he posted that, and then not a single NFL player, says anything and then Stephen Jackson. Who's been this whole thing in? Minnesota doubles down on it. That's extremely disappointing. The Eagles, what owner MGM or Jewish, which makes things, seventy five percent of the people that by Sean, Jackson Jerseys and Philadelphia. I have one hanging my closet right now as an Eagles Fan and has of Jew, yes, so. I, mean you. What do you think I mean I mean? The only thing to think is just pure and utter ignorance. No matter what aside from what your political views are what you think about what's going on in the world right now. There's no other way to describe this because the Sean Jackson. Even admitted he didn't know the ramifications of what he's posting. Which I'm willing to give Sean Jackson the benefit of the doubt that he's not that. That stupid. There's one there's many lines you don't cross, but the one major line that is just a no go for everyone involved is something revolving Adolf Hitler bottom Lake Lake. It's almost laughable I wanNA talk about what the Eagles are. GonNa. Do as an organization because as a fan I, know what they've done. In the past Jeffrey Lori and Howie Roseman both were giving Michael. Vick chance second. CHANCE THEY I know people who who won't even. Like who don't like me for being an Eagles Fan, because they support Michael Vick. So they gave him a chance. and the thing is you. He committed a crime. He did his sentence. The justice system that were supposed to be an supposed to. Is that when you do the time when you do the crime, you do the time, and then it shouldn't prohibit prohibit you from getting jobs later on in life obviously, that's not how it works, but Michael Vick was an obvious circumstance because he's a football player. And then you look to Riley Cooper which we all know what happened with him? And whether or not you agree with it. I know I didn't. He he essentially got a slap on the wrist. And then the Eagles gave him five year twenty five million dollar contract, so the thing is with the Eagles I. Don't think you're gonNA. Sean Jackson, getting, cut or anything they're way more of A. You you fucked up. You have to show us with your actions and as an Eagles Fan as a Jew. First off I don't necessarily think to Sean. Jackson's a big part of our plans I. Make or break for our season next year, so not even excluding that part but. it's you see these apologies from the Sean Jackson. You see these. The thing is the Eagles statement doesn't match up with their actions thus far. They're saying by no way. They don't condone this Yada. Yada, Yada they they wholeheartedly disagree with the Sean Jackson Putting him away. But you're keeping the guy around I'm not saying you'RE GONNA to cut him because I'm not saying not to cut him I'm holding in my my opinion because I. Don't WanNa. Step on any toes, something like that, but the eagles historically have been an organization that maybe either turn a blind eye, or give second chances, but I mean something has to be done, and it has to be actual actions whether it's to Sean. Jackson, taking classes, whether it's a fine suspension. In my opinion, it has to be more than a finer suspension. It has to be physical actions to show that he doesn't think this way, and it was just out of pure ignorance, but. I I mean. I saw this and I was just like. How fucking stupid can you be? That was my major reaction with it. Yeah, my initial reaction was probably like not. He needs to be caught, but something serious needs to be done in then obviously did some research and listened to other people's thoughts and I kinda landed on. I don't mind if they keep him around. And they educate and use it to push for. That's the. The whole goal behind all of the kneel behind everything that happens is, is I've in about second chances? It's more about let's educate, and let's teach I'm really just disappointed that. I mean the Jewish community fully supports african-american athletes in in the fullest like you said seventy five dollars Jewish and we talk about sports twenty four hours a day and we love african-american athletes. We have them on a pod there. They bring us such joy. And when this happens, we're right there. Defending them, and not a sin I didn't see a single tweet, a math and Barry tweeting. Where Matthew Berry tweeted. Where are where NFL players right now denouncing Sean Jackson? If you'RE GONNA IF YOU'RE GONNA. Promote for one. You got to promote equality for all right, so where how black lives matter all lives, matter and Jewish lives don't matter anymore like that. It was bullshit and that I think that's that's the only way to summarize it. Have some more fondness pot I'm okay with education so D- Jax, be better. To the fire festival. That's taking place in Orlando. Who I mean those meals, men. You said it yourself you would. You would eat that I. First off they fire, I'm not gonNA. Say fired elevate airplane food second off. Let's be honest when you call your room and they go. Who Am I speaking with? And they say Troy Daniels? They look to a list. Because I didn't know Troy Daniels on. They say okay. You get airplane food. And then Paul George Calls Up. Look to the list, yes, our chef, right up to your room and a few minutes. That's how this is going that if you think. That every player going to the bubble Lebron James Jaanus Joel embiid. All these superstars. If you think they're getting that meal that Troy Daniels eight last night. You were so out of your skull insane. If you think they're all going to have that same room that Troy Dan Timeout you actually think they're being put in different rooms based off stature and getting different meals, or you just think they're going to have better meals as a whole. This is the Europe attic. Conspiracy this conspiracy. This is the NBA or Indifferent meal than Troy Daniels. Going to happen, you think Lebron James is eating. What Troy Daniels ate for dinner last night. Okay, so never mind timeout time out thirty second time on the floor, Mark Stein said. This is for the first forty eight hours as a self quarantine and get their tests as they arrive. Okay, so that's I forty eight, and then they're going to get better food and service. ETC and we just talked to will who is coming up in the pie later. About how they can get delivered, I swear to talking now. You're comparing the TV to the NBA yet. Narrow, but I'm saying Liver. Lebron Janas all these guys. They're going to get delivered. I think the biggest and most crazy part about the meal was like these are professional athletes. That's not going to get it done. Not even on tastes. There were four hundred and fifty calories on that. Are they going on a diet where you get to see the skinniest players of all time yet? There's no way that that is what's going down. In the bubble there will be Lebron will be having no different Diet than he does in his La home. I'm sure his chef. The Code Day everything. If you think Anthony Davis is eating that, you're out of your skull, but I mean it's. It's dope that. Your school saying I like it's dope that these players are actually putting on, so it will. We're getting a live. Look I just I saw what you. tweeted if you're an NBA player, not providing behind the scenes content, you're actually missing out on the because opportunity of your career in form of social and branding, and if I'm sitting in the seven eight nine ten eleven seat, von Rick Devon Booker. All on doing content, I'm youtube in instagram. Live in I'm chilling with the boys by video games have no shot. It doesn't matter they're again paid. They just have to be there. This is such a prime opportunity would be such a waste if they do that. And then number two I think that instagram graphic. Apparently, it's like four hundred fifty bucks a day to get a press pass and their limited. I did more research couldn't find anything I would one thousand percent pay five hundred dollars to be one of the eight media members I think Eric in the Derek with Ladyson Circle Right. To do they get person? I don't know but I'm down to ride with Derek I'm not sure also shot wnba I mean you WanNa. Talk about real fire off. The laundry room. I thought it was bad then they had worms Illinois Floor Hotel laundry room. Denver texting about this last. Laundry what what are you for closing closer clean well I mean I will say this. Think that, NBA players are doing their laundry. Think the WB pleasure in laundry now if people for that Do you think are girls. Meghan Pella literally walking their hamper down in the laundry room. Come on, it's a funny concept in there. There's no way but their rooms is a little different I mean Oh tearing. Up The wings either way. Are We. Not. Like Buffalo Wing Right Dallas The Dallas Wings, are we rooting? Are we changing our allegiance for the tournament? Is it a tournament season? It's like a very short in season. What will discuss it? We'll discuss it. It's not back FAM-. We will have ranked coming up after the break, but first we're going to talk to. Will Raymond Bay army playing in the basketball to really fun interview. Check it out now. SNAPBACK FEM. We have a guest on today's show. His name is well Raymond and he is part of Bay. Himes army in the basketball tournament, which the acronym TV t sick, but the basketball tournament being the name of the tournament. They probably could have gotten a little more creative in my opinion. On This out here in the bubble Or but being able to play basketball awesome, so speaking of the acronym I've actually seen people like on television referred to it as the TBT which if you break down in the basketball tournament? Just like in general. That's not gonNA. Be a good point. So. You're stuck in Ohio. You're playing in the tournament and normally the tournament is. A countrywide thing taxes was potentially going to have a team. That's where I went to school, so it was Kinda bombed that. Not, everyone can make it, but you're really the first US live basketball that we've seen since this whole coronavirus, so we wanted to hear like what's it like? What are the systems processes all that good stuff so pretty much for for our team like you gotta around four days before your first game Because you've got to go through a series of tests like when you're at home I think three days before he come like they send you a to add home test the. And you've got to pass that like fly here or or drive, or whatever and then once you get here. you have to take a you have to take another test and then you know you have to go through like security and stuff like that. Make sure don't have any weapons or anything like you'RE GONNA be in a bubble. Yeah and then like you realize 'cause actually near Rome and then every day from that onto the game you get tested on an and you get your results back in the next eighteen to twenty four hours, so it's like really nerve wracking. like Osha if if you're if you're a team, like is together and one person tests positive and the whole team is limited. So the question is how is how is the? Almost said the TV. How is TV doing this pretty officially from what I've heard like the protocols? Everything's going well down there, but the MLB a way bigger organization is having trouble. Getting their test results back in eight days. That just blows my mind. Yeah I. Don't even know like like my My aunt is A. She's a lawyer for gas and like the. Is like the company that were that were using and like she's never heard of that before. and like they there results back so quickly so like I don't know maybe maybe. Result speaking results were not on Jap when when you Google Will Raymond the first link that comes up. It says behind Army New Guy Will Raymond, Cohen scrappy defender Rebounder shooter, Kovic Survivor. So you've you've had it already? Yeah, yeah It was terrible I I had it during my During the Conference Championship game I think 'cause I was like feeling early on. Wait. WAIT, yeah! Yeah, it was bad like I was. I was really sick, but I got over it and it's partier basketball report clear. I don't know I don't know why they put that. In the first link POPs up your name, so there's rulers that it's Kinda like the chicken pox where you can't get it again. What did your doctors tell you think that's false news? Now One of my. Friends will like some kid I know just got it again so like I think you can but. I like like I've been fine, so and these tasks. I've heard the test they they stick something. It's like essentially touching your brain. Is that detest you take every day? No, no. It's like it's like spit and like a tube like this big, and you gotta fill it all up a bit, so it's. It's. It's not as bad. So. Have there been is since you've been down there. Because I'm I'm very skeptical about in regards to the NBA that it will start, but I don't think that will finish I think they'll shut it down. Have there been cases where like you said you're getting tested every day or every two days? Were guys are testing positive and having to pull out of the game? Pretty much like there's been fourteen years. I think eliminated because one test positive on his team. The whole team gets chops. Yeah like. If they if they practice together or like around each other than like you're done. Like. You're outs, so they give a second chance task, because yeah, aren't there a lot of false negatives? There's one team do tested positive, and then took it again and those negative so like it'd be an electric imagined like game three the NBA finals and like Jaanus test positive on the day off, and then they're like the test them again, and they do like a whole MBA lottery. There would be a TV special for ratings, so ESPN can make money like. Would you not be tuned in no the crazy craziest thing about this like? At your ace up the matic. It gives you like it tells you if you had a days ago. So like they're radically like you could get to the semis or whatever and you could test positive. And your team could be. And that test more so sang. You could have had eight days ago and you just didn't have the symptom. Wow so like I wonder if there's a little conspiracy, I mean this is just how my brain works. At there's like little conspiracy, one guy gets it on maybe like the fifteenth seed, and they know their teams done, but they're just like Yoko cough on someone on overseas elite. Get them down the biggest fantasies. Yeah I mean coming from someone who got it. You probably appreciate the virus way more than a lot of people who haven't. It's impacted a ton of people, but not everyone's seen it firsthand so There were not rumors, but there's some doctors than analysts say this could impact lungs forever it could. What are your post? I mean you're playing in the tournament. Look good. You feel good like that. No I'm good like I feel. I feel perfect like I. Like personally like I I feel lucky that I'm good, but like a lot of people like. For like months so. I don't know so I was tuned in ahead of the podcast because I wanted to check you out and I tuned in first quarter. You come off the bench, and then I. Like was eating my lunch. I look up and they're looking at a flagrant foul that you who? Do you know the guy from purdue tall his name's house? You Yeah I, think we'll might have thrown although Adam yesterday. No, no, no, he. She threw elbow me. elbowed you in the FE I was on the ground for a little bit, but. SCRA- I got back. They rule of flagrant. Foul like charge so. Help this Selig. We got extra possession so. So we you got to DUB. Who Do you? Who Do you guys? Play Act I. We play sideline cancer necks. Bundy play them. We played Saturday for. Okay Saturday for pretty cool to be playing on ESPN and snow. Is is definitely definitely men good? You know a lot of a lot of love on a lot of low from people back on and stuff so. The. Speaking of which you, you obviously played at Colgate, but you're playing on a team. That's primarily. Guys made up from Syracuse. How did that come about? How did you get to join this team? Yes, so At first I was GONNA play on. A team called the Brooklyn volunteers there to say tomato out of the city, but are like we didn't make the cut for twenty four, and so I asked my coach Colgate, if like they knew anybody. That that when needed me on their team, wherever on my coaches restarted a couple of people in my assistant, pat more he. He hit up one of those for one of his buddies. At Syracuse is actually GM of esteem and that endymion at first, but then They said they they could add like another person. And and they called me and then I said I was going to begin and then actually Chris McCullough entitled -An ended up dropping out. It just gave me more minutes so. Have you guys discussed as a team like what you're gonNA. Do with the winnings. If you went and like like like someone, that's putting fifteen a game. Maybe they get a little bit more of the pot and maybe a small man. That doesn't really get any tick. We're we're all swimming? And you're using this as a showcase to go play in the NBA or overseas, but I didn't even think about the prize once the dim because like I've even door fried? He's one of the better players on her team. Is he looking to play overseas or get back league, or is this more of just like a potential payday for him versus yeah? I don't know if he's trying to play anymore like I. Know it's. Like I. Don't know I think for years something But so I'm just. Just doing, he loves basketball. You know you can get some money out of it. But yeah I mean like for me like it'd be a great way to start off a broker hundred hundred twenty grand. So. That's what it comes down to. That, so did you Joe. Johnson is in the tournament this year. That doesn't seem very fair to make right that normally. It seems like it's. It's High Level College. Guys who've kind of fond league. This do is dominating the big three contract in the NBA. Who else are the top players in the tournament? On if you guys remember Isaiah Austin. You know from Baylor. I oversee elite has a bunch of guys like I think Jared Jack. is on our team also like Joe Johnson. Jack the stacks for sure Yeah I mean like. Now, there's now they're saying. That Joe Johnson could get contract from like the nets for the restart, so that would be ideal if they pull him out of the tournament before I mean at this rate, the three of US could get contracts from the nets. One is actually realistic for wealth these basle by him. We just we also played a two three zone growing up. What's it like playing in that zone? It's also hilarious that the behind team on the Syracuse team actually plays that we I know it's definitely different than like traditional two three zone like it's a lot more like movement like usually who threes understand may I'll vagelos outside and I, really like moving too much when this one you gotta like. pretty much got your guarding pretty much two people at once the whole time so i. it's definitely harder, but. I'm getting used to an like it's A. Like I play the five the five extra for a little bit because like we're so small. Done before but I also. What position are you normally of Mike three four, usually thirty four? I'm like six eight, six nine. Six dollars to six inches that sailing i. I'm sitting down. I mean we've seen that in the NBA, like zone is kind of becoming more of a thing in the NBA but to the point where they're moving the ball so much, it just becomes like an extended man to man in a way I definitely weird in the NBA like there's three seconds so like. It's Kinda way like I I got another mavericks and that's And anyone who plays my sixers yeah pretty much. Yeah, exactly so Yeah, no like their. Teams are adapting to I. Think it's more effective. When like you can, you can be a paint on defense like a like. It's more effective, but. I'm usually like I'm really like I'm on a man guy like Manson guy so like it's A. Other thing it's a thing is better, but I mean I. Don't know zones good to so. Curious more about the bubble life because we've seen with the NBA's launching their bubble, there's like. Hang out areas. Ping Pong video games stuff like that today. Have any amenities for you? Guys are in at your amenities right now. Yeah, you're pretty much like we have a team room. That just has like it's just like a regular like hotel team Alexa TV in it Some tables, but besides that like there's nothing like they don't want going near. Anybody else so like they want you in your room or on the tumor around pretty, much. That's an interesting differentiator between the MBA like it seems like they're mode that these guys are going to be together hanging out, but I just thought about something. That's funny, so we talked to Derek whyte from the Spurs last week in every Thursday. We do a segment called ranked, and we ranked the top three perks of staying at our hotel, so you're obvious, million a slightly different situation, but now that you've been in the hotel for a week. Like what are the best things about being in the hotel? Obviously it'd be cooler if you could be at the hotel bar with teams have our friends and stuff by what's good so far. I mean probably dislike. AC's all his blast them You have that clean up after you and I mean have food delivered to like I. I can't even really think of three like nine. Avon, we forgot maid service. That's definitely one of the most underrated things about that. So when you go to practice, they clean up the room and that's. The fourth day. They're allowed to like comment. so. I'm assuming you've played a you growing up. Feel like you're a you days kind of in this bubble where? Towel really just playing and going back to your room. I mean it kind of feels more like college like a like plan and staying over around. Yeah, on the road pretty much, we would always say wanted to nights when we go. Play it, so it's Kinda of like you can't even you can't even like night. Go chilling your room in your teammates room and watch TV Kenya. I think you can be like they would rather be doing the team room. So you guys. Are you guys? They're together every night. Just like Challen. Yeah, like last night we watch the game after You know dislike challenge. would you pick up one in the film? Can play the five. The five our Our zone is really working Like it would force like eighteen hundred dollars play one possession man so like that was really big and. We can go like. I think that we can win it pretty much just like we. We made I think seven threes, and still on by I think eight so like. We only made four x four threes, and we still one by eight. So you know we take up more threes a lot of shooters think. Film session to sit down watching and thinking like I think we can win. Good Yeah so so jack and I when we first started this podcast, we gave our NBA comparisons like to our styles apply Jack was called himself. Russell Westbrook I mean anyway I call myself more of a draymond. Do It all type guy, even though I hate dream on for for those that aren't tuning into the tournament and watching you and the behind Marmi playing. Who would you say your? Play style compares to in the NBA The most European one player. Want to copy, but I'd probably be like draymond with the jump shot. A. Stream on had a jump shot. That's GONNA get. To shoot. A backpack on okay. His jumper significantly gone downhill like. I will always point this game game seven Oh, and might have one good shooting game I forgot he had a jump shot Joe look that series. He shot the three effectively but I. liked that competitive or if you. Think. A better comparison won't be the Georgia's. From the judge. Product. If. He has the Kovic survivor. Game I'll probably not. So. Maybe we're looking at a I don't know who's gotten it. Taurean Prince. Prince rooting. Now. He plays the five I like the and we should talk to the rockets. I mean six nine, playing the five. That's kind of right in their wheelhouse. Ideal Center for them. You're actually a little too tall. I would rather. Five, but you know like if I. saw. Who was your team growing up? or WHO's your favorite team? I say, but the next it's been my. Jackson next feds is over for US yeah I mean. We had that we could have had it that year. I got, so I gotta say. Is made it to the bubble next. We'll be there, but. Now the China Fund. What about what about the G. League grout like that interests you or is it more intriguing to go? Play overseas I was thinking about it like I it will depend on like the fit that I have there and like how how much they say me plan because like. I don't want like a first rounder to come and like clay with play with like beyond a two way with us or like gets down for a little bit. Because all my minutes like bill big I take my medicine like their first rounder. Really all about the your next step before? Going to the League is really about where can I get the most film on me exactly? Where can I just so that like I can? Do you know everything like yeah, like right now I off for this team I'm GonNa. Have to like I'm GonNa Hustle I'm GonNa get rebounds going to score. but like I. Almost nine hundred points in college like I can I can put on a hoop so. What he's. I pretty much wanted to. Show people that you know like? Like I belong there and It's interesting. We talked to Trayvon. Jackson who the point from Wisconsin. The lefty point guard from a a while back, and he did the overseas or out, he tried to make the league. He actually ended up at box summer camp, and he said exactly what you were talking about. He was like I was fine out my mind. I played like they would only let me get six minutes in the scrimmage and I would have e points for just two steals by. They just drafted and signed a couple of young kids and he was like. It doesn't matter how I played. It's the business. They're gonNA. They already invested picks in these guys. They're going to go, so he up overseas. But that's interesting I. Think People Don Duress are understand the business side of sport. It's also about the the pure like the G. League. It's like kind of like you're a minor league baseball player where you're not really getting good treatment like you're traveling from buses from city to city, whereas if you go overseas, you're a professional overseas. You're in their NBA. So you're kind of considered the amenities of that sort, but I mean obviously the angle is the NBA wherever you can get. The most tape is is the route you said Germany and Turkey like what about like Portugal or the beaches is Spain like? No I mean honestly like like wherever Like wherever showed interest? I'm definitely looking away from the operas obviously I. Don't really I I've only gotten. You know one from a small team of Finland without early So, yeah. Come on. We have some Finland we asked them. Finish finish. Finish Listener, so Awesome Yeah No, so Yeah, honestly like I'll really go wherever you know like I. Can you know like I said? You know make some money. obviously want to be somewhere where it's not like totally bumble foot You know so I. WanNa be around? Like. Some cheese, some good meets meka people. You know some good places But And then if I can use that music to get back to the states like I'll I'll do that so pretty much like what has your agent told you so far about the draft to combine the process especially with everything that's gone on yet I mean he? He really doesn't. Like, nobody really knows like. Another draft is on I. Think August twenty fourth. Round but I think they might even moved in. The second week in October so. He starts like October tenth maybe and then like four days later. So so the thing like most people, most kids coming out of college are GonNa have to deal with if they WANNA, go overseas or if they want a standard, they try to make the NBA. Possibly not make it not have a job. Selling because it's going to start so late and I think most teams overseas like they cancelled their season, so they're gonNA. Start on time. I think So like if you, if you stay in the states and like you're not I. You don't make a team like you might be like. But, if you go overseas like you, you, you get film and like you could possibly make it back the next year, so it's GonNa. Be a thing like that. They'RE GONNA have to deal with so that's actually super. Interesting I didn't I didn't think about that. That's what you're wearing. Die, see that. What is that sweatshirt? This is like a legacy bt like It's like a warm-up time to but gosh. I thought I'd seen ad somewhere on TV or something probably watching the TV's. That might be an option. Whereby seen that that that would then make a lot of Sun. Right, let's do a little Rava then we'll get you out of here. all right team would most like to play for in them. Probably. probably the warriors just because like the kind of slog and do everything or like a spurs. I liked that I ended that system. Player you would most WanNa match up against their play again's. Gordon Hayward. I try to I. TRY TO MODEL my game after him, but like I feel like I'm a little like more of A. Tougher, competitive but You. Know like a ton of don't shoot that. yeah so What would you wear on the back of Your Jersey? If you're in the NBA restart? On even Rally something about being about nothing silent in just like I something like that I. Don't know exactly what is what is your Go-to pregame meal not in a bubble? chicken parm. ooh Okay! That's a happy meal. Yeah, what's your Go-to post-game meal? Go to Berlin after a big win and. I mean. Follow Chicken Parm Nah. I don't know like someone like like with a Lotta like like carbs like pasta and chicken. Probably just make that you know. What's ended on a good note Lebron Mj? I got answers. I actually like that. I like that like right now. I'm am Davis after watching the documentary like the documentary, or whatever I, just I'm just like wow like the students is unbelievable. Everyone propaganda propaganda. I mean I I used to be I used to be Braun, but. I think right now. I'm Jay and I think it's GonNa. Stay until I see something. See something about until bronze propaganda. Media Company to. Affirm what can't the guy do I? Just don't get it. W It! All Abe loves the do more than anything. My last rapid-fire is. Not that rapid, yeah, Avid I had a question for you What player? WHO's your favorite player growing up? There are plenty of growing up I don't really I mean I think like it was Gordon Hayward no kind of. Like if I. Were Hayward. Butler Gordon Hayward Color, Gordon Hayward. Before that, you have before that I was. I really like Michael. I really like Michael Finley growing up Does mafs teams. Yeah. Yeah, it was just like he was just so solid. Such a player I really enjoy watching so. I remembered my question before I. Forget it again Susan. WHO's the toughest by played against in your college days? Let's talk either maybe vj Beecham from Notre Dame. He was really good Oh Adam scofield. To. Admiral. Last thirty. We got the bubble coming up for the NBA. Give Eastern Conference. And Western Conference finals picking who's winning it all. Gone Bucks Lakers. And I think the box. You want one for three hundred. Could, you imagine if Jaanus Delivers Lebron Al that. That would be the the league would be different for the rest of time. Well, he only a few years left. He's in seventeen players, but that's what I'm saying. This would be the changing of the guard officially, if then sons in Pelicans knocking them out of the playoffs last year. Wasn't the playoff race sorry. What were you going to say? I was GONNA say Lakers. Sixers over Lakers six I mean he's saying he's a Philly Fan. Don't even entertain it. Just let it. No I. Mean I just think like the bugs. Like so new school right now, like they they they're five can shoot like I don't know from thirty five feet like they're. They just have have so many weapons I don't think jeff is going to be able to guard out there and block the Ram. You know so like I feel like. Protect the room so Yeah isn't the book. The evolution of Brook Lopez's jump shot is still something understand it makes notes. Marvel Dude. He pulls up. Behind the line. That shot as cam block it. Yeah, no, yeah, the the only thing that makes sense to me that he could shoot this whole time, but teams were coaches aren't letting 'em like shooting games like once. You got the Bucks Oh. Dislike fire. Are. Not as Well! We appreciate the time what's your? What's your instagram? So people can throw foul. Will Underscore Raymond four? I assume. You're number yeah. I was back in the day, but I like. All right all right fair. Enough I well. We appreciate the time best of the law. And I'm sure your agent told you we. What are we entitled to if they win the tournament? On the PODCAST I think we'll call twenty of your one twenty. Four scrolls. Well thank you. Take it easy man, stay safe. I, hope you enjoyed that conversation with will. We will be back after the break. SNAPBACK FEM I. Get asked all the time. How do you produce your podcast? Who Do you do your podcast with it? Here's your answer. Anchor anchors a product of spotify, and it is free. There's creation tools that allow you to record in editor podcast. Right from your phone or your computer your distribute it across all the platform. spotify apple PODCASTS CETERA and you can make money starting day one, so download the free anchor APP or go to Anchor Dot FM to get started now. SNAPBACK FEM. Did you know the spotify APP is free and you can listen to all your favorite artists and podcasts in just one place. You don't even need a premium account. Obviously, if you get a premium account that does let you download episodes for your commute to work if you're flying anywhere traveling across the country, because spotify, a huge catalog of podcasts, including of course, the snapback sports pot. If you haven't done so already, be sure download the spotify APP search for Snapback Sports Pot and make sure to follow us. I m. e had some follow ups. That conversation with will he had an idea for you guys for us? so I think that we should put together. A snapback tournament art snapback team for TBT next year. Ready for the roster. At! Point Guard Joe Schwarz. Shooting Guard Trayvon Jackson. Three guard Jay Williams Niyaz holding up and he's ready to go Jay. For us. I guess you and I can play for need can head coach Tom. At the four are big man and The roster still embedded. Nonetheless, I think that base of a roster. We got a chance at the million. What are the rules? No, no MBA right. Obviously I don't know Joe. Johnson Joe Johnson, isn't it? Akeem Butler deeper. He's alive receiver in that foul, but he's a WHO. Burke Jack, clarity. I think we could maybe convinced Derek whyte to retire. We could. Potentially we could be like hey. Derek set aside in that extension that you're up for probably not. Just McGregor. Just retired. Speaking of what you see back thing. I saw a tweet that gym, time or something. Didn't see that did not see that FAM-. Let's get into ranked. Today's ranked. We are ranking the best appetizers. Of all time, our favorite APPs we are a had the whole entree appetizer debate conversation. I. REALLY DEBATE BUT WE'RE GONNA rank our top three. This'll be on snapback. Pat On instagram. Make sure to rank your top three in the graphically post. My number three is. A cheese and meat board sure Kuri to be specific nothing better well. There's two things better that are my less but. An excellent excellent appetizer, great to share with the friends and family. They got jams, nuts olives. You got everything different types of meats, different types of Jesus normally accompanied by a Nice Christina back yet. He's a meat board. She's For me. That doesn't really I'm not really like. That's an appetizer restaurant more. That's like a mom. Put on your mom Fabio our. On the licensure, less wrong or not, my number three and this is a switch, because originally we going to do appetizers you share, but you can't share this one. A favorite since I was a kid French onion soup. Absolutely love French on Zoo flab. That cal. No if that can I get it before my entree count like ninety nine percent positive you look at the menu it's says appetizers and soups, and then says salads that is something that is one hundred percent and appetizer. You get it before the meal French. Cop there's a cop. Bowl and sometimes bowl of soup is your main. You're getting. If you get a soup for your entree, you're you're just. All I'm saying is French on in soup is the most overrated appetizer of all time. Because you just eat the cheese. No one actually likes the onion soup LAKOTA dustbowl from the. Couldn't even you couldn't be more wrong French onion soup. Lick that thing dry and pick off the burke's number two. I'm at the site. was number two and number one here? Number two. This is tough. It's more like one B. I fucking love Kalmari I absolutely love Calamari, always love split or non. He's ordered for the most fire I'll give you that ratio score limit on it. Marinara sauce I love Calamar. First choice for me. It was absolutely it's my biggest problem. Neuro, I'm saying like I mean we're obviously going to get some Kalmar together coming up soon but I can never find someone to partner with, and then it's a bit too big to take down by yourself too expensive, but I like that pick actually was my number. Four was my original number. Three board surpass. It was GONNA be my honorable mention. I admire number two. Is outlasted agro specifically from Chile's. Love. They just hit different, the fried towards t I. would it be mad if you said like? Some type of egg roll in general, because there's very different like you can get cheese gag that so good you have like. They're like like. Asian eggrolls. That's my that's what do they have? What do they have? PK like the avocado something girls that are. Those are exactly what the southwestern I? Makes like ten times better. Man has guess what they have. Some. Dipping saw Oh, we don't even think we've told the fan about. The number one. Best Take I've ever had in my life and Jack in agree with this and so. On the Pie. Nonetheless, there's no better anything in the food world than any type of sauce that is orange. Just definitely, said this forge cola man. See Mayo Thousand Max. Aren't i. don't care what the name is. It? Whatever. On Number One I`Ma Yeah my number one. And this came to me in the moment, not in the moment while we were planning this list, I was like this has to be Crab Pretzel. Is a Baltimore thing to Maryland thing. This is just another. Just another ranked see. We did last week. No, the hotel rooms, Austat what I took it out this one I'm running away. Grab not even close Crab Kratz! Oh! Crap Pretzel All Right? Everyone loves the Pretzel Right Know When you get a Pretzel, and you get the cheese dipping sauce vary rated. Okay but I'm talking about. Get it ordered at dinner. That's this on crack. You get crab. You get cheese. You get some old bay on there and some dipping sauce. You're seriously going to sit here and tell me if I give you one appetizer for the rest of your life. It's a crab pretzel out telling you. You would pick that if you ate them, but it's your number one. So if I, gave you one appetizer for the rest of your life. It's Crap Pretzel that's correct Jesus my number one so easy. Everyone loves them. NACHOS NACHOS for the table melted cheese chicken NACHOS, man you get the Jalapenos much. Too much debate, though on the NACHOS not too much, it's too much. Yeah too much leverage. Well I go to. I go to dinner with teammates personally whoever I trust. That's why I go to dinner with if you're gonNA. Chicken there's one guy once. This guy doesn't want Jalapenos, and then let's discuss the worst part of a Nacho platter how they never get cheese on the lower chips, their only top shelf, the second half of a Nacho appetizer trash nachos are the goat appetizer always face, it is a way better Mexican food, appetizing, unglamorous, honorable mention you can, you can split them up to live in, and there's three of you. You can order chicken and stick. You can't do that with the notch. What if there's five case he has, and there's only three of you whereas L. With Cova. Too much too much tuggle. You're ripping apart the same pretzel knot fork, knife. eggrolls separately cheese me boards, and is just ran away with that ranked now. I actually strongly disagree ran away with that. What the Fuck is a Crime Pretzel Oh my God? You're actually slept. You're asleep right now. I'm going to wake up I. Fam- that wraps up today's episode. snapback sports. Pied hope you enjoyed it. Make sure it hit, subscribe, make sure follow on spotify. It's free as always you guys know the deal. We will be back. Olen. What's Today? I guess this is our third muscle back on Monday was out of it unless my back breaks. Final mention is going to be. The Ravens just announced that we will not have fans. A season season tickets will not be thing if we do have fans will have a Max of fourteen thousand people in the stadium. It's absolutely heartbreaking for me. But. I guess if the show goes on. The show goes on all I. WANNA do is be in Tampa watching Dr. egg loose. 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Sam Morril - 08/11/20

The Moment with Brian Koppelman

1:01:11 hr | 1 year ago

Sam Morril - 08/11/20

"Hey, this is the moment I'm Brian? Koppelman. Thanks for listening. I Guess Today Sam Morale a guy like a great deal hilarious comedian really one of my favorite comedians again, I've come to know him after the Known you since two, thousand, seven or something like that, and it's been a while And I've always you're somebody that all the comedians always said Hey watch this guy he's a great writer. and And it's true dude I really do think you're great performer Goldman Goldman has told me many times that some comedians like you if you hear your great job Greider. You might think that I suck at perform you know yeah we always complimented spin it a in insult. That's what we all like. You're a good writer. So I'm bad at this. It's such a it's such an awful quality but yeah, no I. Don't I I'm flattered when someone says, you're a good writer I don't I don't take it as an insult. I mean where do you like what? which part of the thing I mean in all matters but but where do you take the most sort of either pride or put the most focus or which part of it? Do you work the most at that? Is it? Is it writing performing? Can you separate them? Are they one thing? Absolutely? Yeah. I mean I think the writing is like the gym and then the performing is like the show you know I mean it's your you have someone say to me like well big deal. You'll get back on stage. It's like riding a bike and I said, no man, it's first off I'd rather bikes horrible analogy and second off You know it's not because it's like it's like there's a reason, their spring training. You know you have to get back into shape or stay in shape. So the sets. The sets what keeps you in shape but the writing is really. What makes you to even do that like it's almost like stretching is a better analogy. No I think the analogy WANNA. Get is the game because you said riding is like the gym and performing as like the show yeah. I think isn't maybe that clean because they'd be not Michelle, is performing performing is the show you I met in like the major leagues but yet Major League. Sure. Yes. Yes. Than it is the show. Yes and you WANNA get more than your cup. Of. Coffee. So you need it's such a fascinating career dude and you know you have a podcast you have two podcasts now or one podcast. One of them's like we do every once in awhile is the movie one but the the the podcast I have a week or twice a week, which is with star Rose that you've been on Pod don't lie. We just talk hoops. PODS, allies great. It's funny and smart on love and I loved being against. You have this podcast. We're GONNA talk a lot about your special and how that came to be you put on Youtube and millions of people have watched it really Really, is incredibly success. First of all, it's a great special, and then also actually did a ton for you and I. I wonder Do. You feel like you've made it as a comedian and if so what was the moment and if not like what are your ambitions? How do you define that that term and don't say I don't think about things like that because nobody doesn't think about the now I think about all the time I don't think I I'm not where I wanna be I feel like you know I have a career and I'm grateful that I have career but you know. No I don't think I've made it to where I even close to I wanNA. Be. You. Know what is in your mind? Like if the kids that you grew up with, you haven't yet shown them that you've made it. I think they think that I probably have a cool life and I I love my life. But yeah, I just have other ambitions I think stand up is one thing but I wanna make TV and I wanted I wanted to do other things as well as just stand up stand up as the main thing. Always I WANNA. PUT OUT A lot. I feel like this was my best special and I WANNA keep putting out better and better specials. That's that's the goal who's career do you look at or or model or thank like that sort of Something that is it like a modern some? Is it like the Arc Schumer took or is it the the the ARC that Steve Martin to like? Who Do you look at the? Thank like? Well, this is sort of and I meant Amy Schumer Not Chuck Schumer. Weird. Switch history for you. But Man I hate you know what? I hate so much that I saw Chris Evans on Bill Maher show and he was talking about how he's like you know I'm not. You know I don't really think I'm educated enough for a career in politics, and then every headline is like Chris Evans Moles career in politics. Every headline is so evil but no I don't I don't think. I don't think amy's. Respect, amy's career so much and I love inside Schumer and train wreck and everything but I don't think I'm that type of like I think she's like, Lucille. Ball. I think she's like such an amazing actor is I don't think on that I. Think I'm just kind of me I think I I would it would be more of like. I'm working on trying to develop an animated show right now that's something really really passionate about and then If stand up comes back, I'd like to hit the road hard. So I I don't know if there's one person I really say but It's tough I i. think there's little things that I like I love Bill Burs, careers were. He's got this animated show when he's got his stand up career and I think that's that's pretty cool. Right he he's. He's respected by his peers a tremendous amount, and he has a really dedicated audience that loves them. Yeah. I. Think that's important and also I dislike I, love jokes I, really just think it's not like I see certain people kinda develop this fan base and then Kinda, they become something else and I think it's great to always evolve but I am a little bit. Fearful of of you know the like. Now you have a duty to be this like voice of the people in kind of like, I'm just I just write good jokes and that's I don't know. I think it is important to be involved in causes and to be a good person but I also. Want to I want to stay funny I. See some people like that almost takes precedent to to jokes at a certain point you got to remember what got you here. Also, you know yet what your people like, what who, who you are right like the reason I think some people who are very funny and who are talking about this and Judd's hilarious and a brilliant artist. But. I actually think. We send the pocket like I think he just actually genuinely feels the do not perform it. It's like he just feels like he has to do that almost. Serving the same thing in him that fires up the art and and I don't think you can fake that I think that's either who you are or it's not that's. Yeah. That is a good judge. A good example of someone who I I do really believe is a good person and and yeah I I think and I mean you would say that even if you didn't hope to be cast in his stuff right I, mean you don't think I ever will be I I'm saying strictly as I just know him and like him you know just fucking around. And hope that second part as very sincere. So I get cast. That's good. No that's why set you up for that. I tried to give you a little set. You could spike at across I listened a crucial. When, when did you first decide I wanna hear about your your your life and I think that. People should watch the special but and the thing special. You've this great gift as a comedian Sam which is you bring people in a way that feels very you know it's funny. There are guys who are just joke is like jazz or something where you know even when he talks about his father is not really talking about his father he's just it's all up for these jokes but you actually kind of bring us into your emotional truth even as you tell these jokes, but you still keep it a little like. You're not a fully confessional comedian. But I WANNA give people some insight into your into your life would actually felt like to grow up the way you did so like. When did you first decide that being funny really mattered to you I think you know I'm the youngest kid, my family we were blended family now if to step siblings who are older and we're just absolute overachievers and I think that was like, well, I'm not going to be smarter than them. That was one. So you're finding ways to get attention was like it's not gonna be that also, it was just a weird thing that Kinda just happened we just were now all living in the same household and we didn't really talk about it. It was never like. It was just like we're family now and I was like, all right. There was never a conversation you know. So really what do you mean go slower on that? How old are you? This is fascinating your how old I probably seven or eight I think seven I think and you knew that your mom was dating selects explain your machines she got married to the Dad who as me? WHO's an amazing dead at at seven met when I was probably three or four single mom before then and right. You know. I I liked him instantly I. Also, you know I it's it's just a weird thing not to talk. We never talked about it. So I would just use humor to break the ice. There would be a lot of like you came with two. He came along with two kids. Yeah. And They were older and they were both very quiet. My brother and sister are very quiet. They don't talk a lot and my mom and I, and my dad is kind of like a reserved who they listen. They won't listen to my mom and I are we talk we're loud and we're talkers and where I you know. So it was a weird pairing at first and. There was just weirdness that I notice that I that I think. Like I'd have to address the discomfort and no one else in the family really address the discomfort except me and then as a kid doing, it felt kind of innocent and playful but that was the only way we really addressed it. So that was that was my first. Jokes jokes. Where were you like where where'd you grow up originally like the Chelsea flat iron area and then upper east side? So you're in New York City and are you as a young kid able to walk around and take the subway? Or. Your parents, protective like what was it like they're protective but yeah I I did all that and you know you take the bus to school every day take the like I, I was. I was out and about and my mom was so protective because I'm only biological kid. So you know my brother and sister have They have a mom that's just was you know that my dad raised me was divorced trump. So they have a mom and so she wasn't their mom. So that was tense in the House but then that also made my mom. So unbelievably over protective like I remember I felt I smoke too much weed my friend's house one night I just fell asleep from smoking too much weed I. Shit. You not a wake up with sixty three calls from my mom. Sixty three and I was just like what? Like If you left fifty-seven. Disconnect you know what I mean like. Clearly, this is urgent asleep. And she was. Oh my gosh, she was so mad I mean that's how she was. She would be grounded. She was always I would come home drunk all the time too young. I was I was a bad kid. I acted out because my brother and sister seem perfect to me they my sister. Went to Harvard Law. You know my brother went to Columbia law I'm telling jokes in bars. You know I had this black. Sense of myself and I just had a low self-esteem. How much older are they? My. Sister is seven years older and my brother is a five years older, right? So they were like in in high school when you were in in elementary school or whatever. Yeah they were they were like that. So they were around and you were. You were watching them and were you able to break them up like when you were funny were you able to get a reaction from? Yeah absolutely I think my sister was like. Roller is like Oh God he so like he's vulgar inappropriate but she I, think she yelled at my brother very much. So my have, I, think him having a younger brother to Kinda. Like mold him having a young. It was probably fun for 'em and we did I. Still, close my brother you know. And are they proud of like what you've accomplished like when you put the special up? Did they check in until you like Nice job? I don't know and actually don't remember I. think my brother might have said something I. Think he said I think he didn't say like a job. He he said something like, wow. Is that real? Like how many views a card I think he was he was shot. I don't think it was like good job. This isn't a hoax. That's very warm. That's whereas twin. Thing. So so now, I'm starting to get the picture that you're in in the house and and feeling. A bunch of different things because of the situation that you're in and what was the story at school were you Were you considered smart by the teachers or at least at your friends recognize that you were witty I mean had that all go for you I think it changed over time. I. Think I the teachers hated me because that would just make crass jokes for attention and then at A. Certain. Point it was low self esteem and wanting to be noticed you know it's always been that and then you know when I got to like Eleventh Twelfth Grade, migrate started to get really good and and I it was more like I was trying to make the teachers laughs than try to make the class. I was trying to make everyone laugh instead of like, what do you think caused that shift? I think just doing better in school and growing up a little bit. I think also like I, just one teacher Dr Lynn who was like the funniest dude like each just like a southern guy with a thin upper body and then a huge beer gut like giant by full of oats and a mustache, and he got like I would just be silly with him and he would just say shit like like Sam get out and I would I was a bad kid. I would lift my legs up in far and he would and he was laughing then Foamy at a class at a certain point, right? I remember like there was one point. So we're at Browning it's on the schools on the upper east side and we're across from the regency. Hotel. So we have a whole view of all the the entire hotel and all the blinds open all the time. We just see a naked woman and he's in the middle of election. I remember to stood up and yell tits. Did and he and he just was like he turns and sees it and then turns back to me any last. But of course, he kicked me out and it was like that it was like he I think he enjoyed our dynamic where it was like he was I was like the troublemaker and he put me in my place but he remember what one moment he said in class he said, you know I think you're going to be successful in whatever you do because. You're you're he doesn't like you're smarter than you let on like you I think I had to play up that I was I thought it was like Dahmer because that was how I fell in my family. Sometimes you know so I think that was the role I took on. That's pretty awesome like to actually have somebody. said, it's tweeted this thing out the other day that like all sorts of people respond to re tweeted about him. Helped noar in my educational life. Did I had a great drama teacher and that was great but no other. But nowhere in my educational life did anybody ever say to me you could be a writer they would just always say to me. You know for someone so smart, you're such an idiot basically, they would only mention that I was smart in literally in the same sentence they were telling me why they wanted to kick me out of school honestly like that was my life and so if I could have someone cleanly say to me, you're going to be successful like my parents did I was lucky in that in the house everyone did but outside of the House nobody did like that at school. So domestic vote pretty good like remembering. Now, imagine your tenth grade that it landed for you what Yeah Oh yeah. It meant a lot to me because I thought he thought I was dumb to And then did that contribute to you like grind starting to grind a little bit? It's click. What made you decide to grind a little at school? You wanted to get a college. It's that was a big part of it. My mom was like you're not gonNA. Get into a good school if you don't if you don't figure it out. So that was a big part of it and then I mean but it was all low self esteem I remember my first joke when I was like. was. My English teacher told me I reminded of a young hemingway and I said because some good writer and she said, no I think you're an alcoholic who's going to kill himself that was. My first job like that's low self esteem right? I when I was in, we had a health class and I. Remember the teacher was she was a nurse teaching it and. I remembered bombing jokes. I'm doing a bit about this at some point I forgot the bid exactly. But it was like she was talking about testicular exams and I I raise my hand in the class and I said my doctor gave me a stickler exam and he he just kept his hand on there and played with my pianist and she and she. was like, is that true? I was clearly meeting it wasn't funny. I was just trying to like be and I just I just panicked. So I said yes and good night I did I did and then I talked after class until wasn't true. But in the bid I remember saying something instead of admitting that I told a Shitty job decide to incriminate a pediatrician. Right incriminate a pediatrician. That's a really good example of what you do with words that so great I mean obviously, you think about words so much even that Hemingway joke eighteen is very it's the subject matter sophisticated the word choices really good like. I Love I love on billions. Hey, how you have Paul Giamati reading Raymond Chandler on like everything about I love that like I love Raymond Chandler. So I get happy when I see I see him reading the long goodbye whichever. Picked up on billions and you guys make such I mean if you look at the dialogue of every character on that show, just kind of things I. Love It. Were so specific thank you for saying but yet David super specific about all that stuff I mean it's similar honestly like I mean when I talk about the stuff a lot like. If. You're given the opportunity like David given the opportunity to make the show. How do you squander it by without a leash trying your very hard is to make every moment as special as you can. It's like the same getting up on like you know getting up on stage you have this fifteen minutes or this twenty minutes yeah we're we're it's your they're all looking at you and you get to imprint upon them. What's in your brain I I completely understand why comedians spend that much time. On incriminated pediatrician. Rhythm of the the meter no right. It's meter its way it feels it's it's It's not just the the words the words go together it what they add up to and how satisfy it must just feel. So satisfying to you when you lock one of those in Yeah and you're like, well, that can't be any better that that little piece of its nailed, right? Yes. It feels really really good and it's you kind of know usually because sometimes that words like that's that word sounds kind of pompous I I would never just say that convert the words got to be something you would say and conversation, but then also if you could find like. Like, does the amount of syllables for some reason is just is just good in that you could just works. Is Your Wifi struggling to keep your streaming work gaming video calling more what about all at once? When you're connected to your world by Wi, fi be sure it's the best bring your Wifi up to speed with orbit. Wifi. Six from net gear or Wifi. Six is the best and latest and Wifi covers your entire home with the fastest Wi fi uninterrupted streaming video calling at working and learning from home on more devices than ever before in any part of the house it's Wifi. 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He was just like you know resume we're over zoom and I'm looking to the fall asleep and then he comes back and know it should be this not that and and it was just like the grinding and I was like I understand exactly why that dude has written twenty-five fucking number one songs because most people would have just blown through it and that guy was sitting there and he didn't care how long it took he he wasn't going to say the verse was done. So the exact right word was in there and I I, find the older. I get the more artists I, know the more I respect people who not let writer's block win and don't do the work but who in the doing of the work hold themselves before it's finished to a really high standard and I've talked to you about this stuff and I think you're the same way when you watch comedians right I am I also think that content is kinda killing that quality thing. The need for content is really bad for kind of what you're talking about right now, which is you know a perfect joke or a perfect song people's appetite. Is it just in and out now everything you make is it just seems like. I heard that spotify co say something along the lines. You know he's not the guy to be saying this person, the one lines like artists who make a record every three to four years is their I fault. They're not making money but like there is some truth to that we're like yet right now there is a need I mean Louis was a guy of our generation who started putting out an hour every year year and a half and I feel like. That was kind of ahead of its time because. You know he's one of the only guys who who would do it well, but man, it's hard to it's hard to. Put out great stuff that quickly, and that's kind of where we're at right now I think but don't you think it depends on what you're. What you're. What. You're aims are like you WANNA be famous and you want to be successful and you WanNa make the money at it. But it it certainly seems to me like your. Like. You're playing a slightly different game like, yeah you're you're letting your content get caught up and put out and all that stuff and and you said like and that comedy live thing worked really well for you but I felt like you were still grinding to make those jokes. Work, to work really hard on the over. Yeah. I I love writing topical jokes that I. Feel like anyone can laugh at kind of thing a lot of comics. Now, it's hard to write political jokes are jokes about a social issue that don't have a bias. That's That's funny that red state and Blue State. That's that's kind of the challenge. Now is like I want my jokes to bring people together I. Don't want. Of course I'll have jokes here and then that'll like divide people up because you can't thousand but like. It's so easy to pander or let your emotions get caught up in a joke when it's that new. I think sometimes jokes that you're passionate about need room to breathe and with those types of jokes for that type show, you don't have that time. I love what you just said though about the red blue thing 'cause like obviously you know where I stand politically and all that stuff. But like I came across a ron white bit the other day and I was so I laughed my ass off and I was so glad that I laugh my ass off at at someone who I don't know his politics but I just can't imagine that we share much. Just going by his white suit. Going my whole thing. I don't I don't think that we're seeing much the same but I love the idea that he could his bid about getting pulled over by cop for drunk driving and it just had me howling and I think That's the beautiful thing about comedy when it's done. The right way it just cuts across all of it because you if you're fucking laughing laughing and then when you're laughing, you also can't help. But like the person making you laugh and I like thought I had thought in my head exactly what you're saying which is it's a great thing when that stuff. Sort of like nails it. In that way yet, you want to comedy to be about something I think to absolutely. But VAUGHN white is a great example because I I agree with you what you're saying and there's something loss at twitter has no nuance right? Someone posted joke and people just assume the absolute worse was I. Hear when you when you see Ron's face and you hear his delivery, you assume the best. Yes right. You assume empathy and all sorts of stuff. That's that's why just seeing the word ridden it's like men twitter. It's so toxic Ron has a bit I love about cheating on his wife, and it's one of the funniest bits I've ever heard and he opens a bit by saying My wife got this crazy little idea that cheated on her in Columbus and I didn't know tell you why and it just kills like. I mean, and then he tells the story and you're like, I get I I. Look I'm not going to condone that but you get it and and. It's you build a character issue, but it is a bit of a character because you're performing and. And people connect you because it's like. So how often do we see people on social media that guy's a fucking asshole on twitter but I know him and I like him when I see him and that's because I just think social media really brings out the worst in US It certainly can bring out like the most strident parts in us or the parts it. It's an outrage machine. Yeah. But I also find it too easy to slam on it and like. A. Lot of good stuff has come out of it for me connection Lake without social like I, feel you and I know each other much better because of social media, right? I'm not saying everybody is bad on social media but I do think it brings out the worst often you know I can't say we're yeah everybody I think you're posting people like you or Josh Gone Delman post positive stuff that actually makes me feel better. You know but not everyone's like that. He's nicer. Let me just be clear that he's nicer than I am. There's no I don't WANNA I don't WanNa try to claim. I'm. As sainted person as Josh. Josh Nice on twitter but he is a raving lunatic real life. Several calls, Josh Ghana, a brick on. No the best. The Best Guy. Obviously, the nicest guy has to be the nicest of all. COMEDIANS, baguette. Amazing. Pretty. Pretty much it. So you're eighteen you start studying for school more. Yeah. You're I've become you. End Up Completely obsessed like I thought it was going to be a different type of comedian when I was younger I thought was going to be more what does that mean like I thought it'd be like maybe I was maybe it'd be like a comedic actor and I became obsessed with writing it became all about Greg Giraldo Dave attell and Chris Rock in right and Rodney Dangerfield and Carlin and Pryor and we like a locker room with a with a boombox I would connect. I don't even know if it was like a disc player who never had at the time and it would look great. Is this Sam like what grade is this eleventh or twelfth. And Eleventh and twelfth grade you're starting to listen to all of those albums became obsessed with jokes and. And I went to comic Strip and Caroline's a couple times I saw patton oswalt, Dave attell, AD, Caroline's, and those were were huge for me. attell was funny in a way I'd never seen it blew I blew my mouth and then I saw bill burr and Kevin Brennan Comic Strip and they were both so phony and I became obsessed with it and I finally you know what happened the first the first hint I got was. The first taste I got rather was a who for the last three weeks of school. The assignment was you have to do. either. Type of community service you have to do some sort of work but volunteer based and instead of coming to school. So my project was just Jim Coach at Alan Stevenson on the upper east side. They needed a gym guys and I was just I loved it. I loved it so much and. I I end up doing a summer job with them I think two summers I loved it and It. was such a good Gig and I turned we all have to give a speech for the whole school about our experience and I just wrote a stand up routine about it. I just made it and they already like it was a bullshit fluke of killing. Everyone in that room wanted me to succeed. Because they already thought I was funny. So that's this is what young comics will ask me a lot like will how do I do the? NFL You you already your friends think you're funny because they're your friends they love you. Right. You now have to show your funny to strangers and you have to show much more quickly. You don't get that built in. I can fuck up and win them back. Courtesy lab. So what happened so you? So you get up at Your School Assembly Browning and do at the Assembly Yeah and you destroy your senior you're a senior and you destroy kill and then my friends were like I think you can do this I really do think like you've got timing you're you're funny and I felt really good i. What feel what did it feel like Sam being up there doing that so funny. So all right, my teacher Mr Ingram, Johnny. Who's my English teacher such a good teacher like introduced me to my favorite books ever to this day. You know it was such such a great teacher and he He, got off stage and he said you're really good. He's. A really funny guy and then I went back to speak at Browning last year to give like they asked me to do an interview and they said we could not is there any teacher? Who could interview I said Mr Ingersoll any. So he interviewed me. So that was a weird kind of awesome together and he was so did you remind him that he said that to you he didn't remember it all for for me. It was a big moment. For him he was like watching what he's talking about. Really, you didn't remember you doing that standup comedy or did I think he like vaguely remembered it been a lot of a lot of a lot of kids coming through. He's frisked two thousand young punks. He was like you know what? The some kid I don't remember you. But a kid a year after had like a prior effect on the crowd and I was like real now. But he was great. He. He interviewed me and that that was big and then I was like I don't know what to do next I remember I met Patton Oswalt after show Carolina just lingered till he came out and I said right and. You know. I'm never told badness. But he said I said what do I do I don't know what to do to do what you do at work and he just Ticket and he says. He said email me and I will respond you and gave me his email and then he also said and do every open mic. You can in the meantime and he did he did respond to me and I started doing Mike and they were horrible. They were absolutely like. Not. Good in any way. You Start Doing Mike's what. So did you get into what college did you get into? Then I was going to lane, but I was a freshman for Katrina. So that was an issue. Obviously. So I had done at this point, I'd done a couple Mike and I did it. I took the class, the comic Strip Joe mackey who still one of my close rights was in the class with me, which is insane that it should Linda Smith teach it. WHO TAUGHT IT DS? We love who who was great. He really was You Know He could be a commotion, but he also was generous and kind any state that way I've always wait so you took so I wanna go slow here you took the You're eighteen. You Graduate High School Year like. I think I have to try to do this. Yeah. I wanted it and Oswald says do a bunch of open mics open mics freak me out. They always did I did a lot of them too. But we'll talk about what that was like as a kid. As you looked around did you did you have blinders on? So you you you wouldn't think to yourself. God. I could become one of these people like because. There's usually only one other kind of sane person in an open MIC, right? Yeah. It's tough. You you just like holy, Shit I have had good parents in a sheltered life and a lot of ways because you look around for Mike, and there's like dude like battle fatigues and you're just like what this guy didn't serve in the army but he's Nuts, and then. So. Yeah. As a lot of a lot of Weirdos at the mics and just speaking the worst part of the Mike isn't even bombing it's the amount of bad comedy you have to listen to yes. So and then the amend the bombing or not bombing. But that sort of just disregard that happens a lot of the time. Were you able to get laughs at the Mike not not often come with me was I was very jokey at the Mike and I think. The people that killed at the mics with the ones who either shitting on how bad the mics were shitting on other comics or whatever, or the people who would act like everything was coming off the top of their head you know and I'm just like my punch lines were obvious. So if I killed I would really kill. But if I bombed it was it was horrible. It was really able Yeah. Once or twice when I was doing. Mike like at stand up. New York Lake some tourist happen to walk in Aachen like VAT table would be all you would. I would look at and basically if you could just get one or two of them to laugh once or twice I would feel like well, that was just a gigantic win that. Huge and also the real people laugh sometimes felt like more than the comic class 'cause the comics would. Sometimes. They would just laugh at the most dark awful shed and you're like I'm trying to like have a career in this. You know I'm not. I'm not trying to kill only in Long Island city at this call up. But yes. That do a couple of weeks. They didn't make you feel good. Basically, it was painful. Yeah and I remember one. Mike. I did Gary vetter WHO's one of my good friends now was on the Mike and no one pays attention you just all miserable. You're you're looking at your own notes and Gary bombing with really funny jokes. He's the good jokes and these bombing and he's Maui Taco in thirty something street in. Herald Square bragging but he he he's bombing so hard and he just turns me to go look at this asshole he's not even listening. was just like why not tell you mad that's how you met. Until we met the next night, my co host, the time booked him on our Barr show and I was like, Oh hey, hey, sorry and housing I get it I mean we all we all break down at these MICS know that. Will those bonding experiences with the soda and I enjoy Alexander Dance friend? The three of us, did a bunch of mics together in the early days and that bonded Dan and me forever. Yeah. Just going through that experience need a buddy. I always young comics. You need a Mike Buddy because you don't WanNa go in there alone. You just. Just having a buddy, it not only drives you to write, but it also just drives you to like. Well then you have somebody you're trying to make Ben 'cause I remember then those nights where if I could get Dan you know if I would be done and like Dan Ruby was there a lot too and if one of those two guys would be like Oh that setups pretty good or punchline the you would go all right something or or it's also was great when you when I would just just totally bomb just one of those times where you just bomb and it's it's not even the audience it's just your fault you just suck. Yeah and I loved those nights when I would come off and I'd look at Dan and he would just look at me like God damn that was horrible and it just makes you feel so much better right in a way and also like you kinda take your your licks watching. There's something you would you admire your friends more when they had a bomb gracefully and every once in a while bomb. Horribly, no, you're not gonNA, always bond racial but like I remember seeing earned the early days seemed like Mark Norman bomb but he kinda kept his composure knows like was cool. You feel closer to them for sure when a member all the comics I barked with on the street and you're like I feel closer to them for sure. You do right. So so so how did it to talk about just the beginning of how how it happens you're doing these mics, you write patent and what a patent do point you to certain shows that people were doing in the city. He didn't know he didn't know anything because he was in la guy he just really encouraged me that's all it was. He just said, keep doing Mike's and right as much as you can, and that's really kind of what it became an what you're saying you never told him you know you're that kid who? wrote him. You don't think now I don't know pattern. Well, I, I mean, we DM here in their twitter but I don't know him well You know think he's connected that you're that like your special is that kid who came up to my bet you he knows he's no dummy I don't think so I think he members just a random person who all the gigs he's done I don't think so but you wrote him and he wrote I'll do you one better I I still have I've done the road an open for Dave attell and Many times you know with work with Dave for a long time he's probably been the most supportive person in my career and I have an autographed playbill still at home from Caroline's for Mattel. And he didn't tell him. I. He would. He would just. be He would cringe I remember we were driving once and you know someone's going to tell him now. Right? You just said here on your podcast have you said it on your own podcast I don't think so no but I with Dave I I mean I've been in a car with him where he's like I think he said to me we're just talking comics and the. 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Sam What happened my family was with me luckily and we had so funny I had my roommate a two lane to turn out to be like the worst roommate on the planet they drove us to. Houston from New Orleans and then we flew back. And we flew out of Houston that we got home and then. I went to school in the city and just Kinda kept barking doing that stuff I was at Columbia for that term. Anyone would accept a two lanes to kid America's sweethearts with the displays to Lang kids. But so you were able to you were still getting a two lane degree but at Columbia. And then I ended up going back to two lane. And I now is obsessed with stand up, and after Katrina there was nowhere to get up in two lanes. So that was difficult for me 'CAUSE I. I. Didn't want to be like well, you know. Just, New Yorker in the SA- I love New Orleans to visit, but it's such a slow pace to that city like it's everything. So slow and you couldn't do your thing. Right it was tough. It was definitely it became tough and then I ended up looking for school I was like maybe transferred to amber, get an Nyu and went back to New York and was when was the time on this? I want to be just granular about one thing so. Like I often talk about the fact that when when when I was working fulltime but our writing the first grip, those two hours of the day, I just felt so alive made me no like a have to do this other thing and yeah. So like what was it the writing of like back then how did you write like what was the process like for you? Okay you couldn't get up on stage all the time. Then you start to like wh, how did you organize yourself to? A lot of guys want to be a comedian, but you had to be right for you. So what did you do to make that a reality? Like what did you write like? How did you get better like just talk a bit granular Lee about what that process was. Right the same way right now it was just in a word document or with a notepad on my back in my back pocket I would just kinda scribble thoughts all day and I would just write and when I was at two lane, I was a freshman and there was this Guy Joe Schwarz who was a senior who actually an agent at ut now? And he was kind of dabbling in comedy but I could tell he didn't really want to be a comic, but he would drive me to the open mic I mean I can't drive so you drive the open Mike. Every week and It was awesome. It was so nice of him and even when he wouldn't go up, he's like I. Just WanNa be around comedy which I thought was so cool and Oh. Yes. Awesome. So I would do the MIC and the MIC. There was one good Michalik in New Orleans I did it every week but it's like you know it's One night a week. You're not for me. I wasn't even treading where's the hope to get the hope to get noticed and pass at that club and be able to get on stage at that club it wasn't even a club was a club, but it shut down after Katrina. So it was just it was called. Lucy's retired surfer bar it wasn't even a club. and. It was just like let me just get better I had no aspirations I mean that's the one good thing I'll say about. A lot of time comedy classes are a scam but when I took the class of the Strip, like he didn't make any promises, a lot of those teachers would be like you'll get you'll get a tape for Lederman in six months and then just like you don't know what you're talking about your line. But no, my goal was. Out. Can I get really good at this. Those were really my goals. And how would you right you said with a word document but what was the? Like, were you okay at the Jerry Seinfeld I'm setting aside two hours or was it I'm walking around and want to have an ideal right down and then I'll open the document like how did you start to collect your bought? That became jokes both I would I would walk around and I would usually have a a decent amount of thoughts by the end of the day and then I would write all those thoughts. I would transfer them from the. Note Pad to a word document and then it's like you're seeing them in a different form. So that kind of changes how you look at them a little bit as apoe like now the type I can edit them a little more easily and I would just build bigger and bigger documents and I would run them by friends. 'CAUSE I get on stage enough said okay. Is this funny I had a bunch of great friends to lane who were like I do gigs there at two occasionally, but the friends were supportive. And then would you? Continue to cause your jokes are so specific word wise. You're writing about like a lot of people early on the mistake is reading them exactly like how did you learn right? You know what I mean that's a real mistake the memorizing just like saying them. So did you fall into that trap or were you able to know I gotta be loose with it and then try to lock it like how did that all that it's really can't fake it or at least I, wasn't a good enough actor to fake it I think those people that become too attached to the written word and it sounds so not conversational. That's just a lack of stage time I think I think. You know because then even the people that are doing it completely ridden Jesernik. There's such a strong persona and he has all these funny tags I mean. So yes, the people that came back as a mad that guy is a master of the form of the thing he does I do think he's a master I mean, no one's better at the at the left turn then than gentlemen US great at it and or take someone like, Stephen. Right I mean that's. Their that's what they Hedberg or whoever you want to look at. You. Even if you keep it somewhat ridden, they find a way to inject enough of their character or themselves into the joke that it doesn't feel that way. So that's just that's just reps and time. Yours has this confessional quality to it. Right? Even if it's not all real confessional confessional quote, your thing is a story telling jokes, right? That's why you're different than those guys certainly than Hedberg or or whatever, and so. How did you? Would you write down paragraphs or would you just write down like the set the loosely Disa-? How would you do it? Yeah I've written down long I've written some now I do it a little less but I still bullet points for stories were. So I know so I don't forget punch lines. but yeah, I've talked to comics about I. Remember ask Jim Jefferies wants because he had this twenty four minute debt about. about taking shouted friend with muscular dystrophy to brothel and I thought it was such an incredible bid and I was like, do you do that? You write it down to go what I'm GonNa Write Down Twenty four pages horse nut and I was like, Oh, I mean I don't know so. So what do you do though what do I do I write it down or at least I did I mean with stories. Now I I kind of do more bullet-point d. but I still write down a lot I write down you still write down those like when you have a specific. Punchline you'll still write it down and then the work on stage is to make it feel converse it when you're when you're going on a on a Tuesday night early set just to fuck around yeah. You're trying to make those things that you've written conversational and then road test them basically make sure hey, there's no better way to say it will you still make changes on the fly if you find a funnier way to say the of course yeah, I mean that's That's what all those sets are for I mean if I was doing one like feeder gig instead of five nights at a club or five shows at a club then yeah maybe. But when you do in that many reps, you go crazy in the exact same words. So you do make minor changes every said, and you'll add a tat like attack shows like you're saying something even though you've written it and an idea shows like suddenly you know another punchline comes an additional tag. Throw it out there and try it absolutely. Yeah. I've done it a bunch I headed joke. About like. Like a like how the male g spot in the bud very high eyebrow joke here. But I had a joke about it and I think that was actually originally. Drew. But I remember how to joke about it and I think it was a recent joke and one of the lines like it's like Just not too much a hand I was like. I. was like I didn't write. This was like like like like toasty. Does hint of lime that much just a hint And that was a Gothic idolize like that So. Yeah. A lot of my new stuff is you write it, but I also didn't want to give myself the safety net of having old material fall on. So I would do own new stuff on the road after my our came out and some something's failed. But then sometimes you find really you develop a new our so much more quickly. And do you do the thing where like if a friend of yours? Has a tag for you to talk. Do you still do that thing that a lot of Comedians I'm friends with do like you here buddy years do a joke. You will you say, Hey, have you thought about this and go back and tags or do people do that last now? I don't know I think it's just if it's your friend But I don't I don't know if everyone wants it but I'll do it sometimes. The line of you thought this. Yeah. I'll do that. Sometimes I've had people do it to be usually it's usually. I usually don't take it I mean unless it's amazing and even like if it's that good I kinda, don't want you know it's not Marley is annoying to you if somebody is an annoying you and someone does that gives you a tag like no. Love? No, they mean well, Louis. Gave me a tag wants that was like a one of the best tags ever used it I mean I mean yeah I've used. I've used tags for sure but I like to I like to think of it myself I do run bits by comic sometimes though and sometimes a joke that's like right there and I'm like, what am I missing? I just need another pair of eyes on it and they do the same to me. That's great. That's an awesome thing to do so. One thing I'm obsessed with is how much I can't stand gatekeepers and your store gatekeepers who are like the people who decide you get to have a special you don't or the people who decide your movies going to get made your script socks like I've always Felt that. These people very off. You know some people are really good at it, but I've always felt many people are. Just there to say, no, and I love stories of people who kind of like refuse or or win that game is played on them play a different game. So can you just tell the story of how you decided to make your special and what happened like just tell the whole thing like sure where you thought was going to happen what your ambition was and and because you took a big risk, right? So I would love to have you just talk it out. Will you know other comics done what I've done but I I think like not a not as many who have already sold specials. I, I sold my last one, a comedy central Amy Schumer produced half hour with comedy central with an album than I did I did my second special with comedy central as well. Amy Schumer produced it, which is like talking about gatekeepers at to kind of circumvent the busiest days you get someone like Ed Raimi's fame level right to put their Stanford Davis Persons Your answer that was I thought that was the frustration with that is. Comedy Central's been amazing and I'm so grateful for every opportunity of given me. But unfortunately, not a lot of people watch cable anymore and. You know I got buried it just they all get buried these specials if they're not on net flicks or or you know on a streaming device people watch you know so that that was pretty painful to put out in the proud of and then. And then just be like, wow, it didn't really make a huge impact on the road until is just a legally cut up the clips myself and started sharing them and I was like, wow, that's helping me how is this working in the? It's so I mean everything's backward now right? I mean you would caught up your special and put it on your instagram because it was before Tiktok right so you put on your instagram i. Put It on instagram and yeah, it was. That's how people thought. You know I get I. Way more people follow me just based off clips unfortunately I think the only difference I mean they're not quite as invested as if they'd watched the full special is someone who see me for two minutes is not as invested someone who watch me for like fifty six, right so that's yeah that's the one issue with that but I did start doing a little better on the road from that. Now, my next hour I was even more like this is a more mature our I liked the bits even more I think. You know you continue to grow a little bit as as a human and and as a comic and I, I liked I, really was happy with this hour I saved the closer. They want me to do it my last comedy central special on a might Sawai. So I can give you an hour ten and you air forty, two minutes. Makes no sense So I held onto it and I kept tweaking and I'm so glad I held onto it and That's the White Knight Story, which is the end of it I started. It's amazing I started trying to tell a true story. I started trying to tell the end of that story. True Stories. True. Is the only untrue part where he reaches out I, need an ending but. Sure and it's just like that no real ending would have been to satisfy. As but you've so you've never heard from, did he contact you after that Special Air? No no, he didn't. He contacted me the night after that was true I I can't find the email, but it's completely true. His name was Joshua. So, that's all we're. No. No, but I'm saying has he contacted you since the since since you've now told that story on the Internet has he content hasn't. which the bummer. Amazing. But as been would be a great. That'd be a great story there. But so anyway yeah, I I'm feeling pretty good about this hour. I'm told my agent but man is really killing on the road I. Think it's my best stuff and she said. Well. Why don't we run it? The comedy cellar will run in La for all the executive on us a great. Let's do it. I i. do that goes great. Comedy Central's they're and they're like we tant. Because we don't they had like four specials a year now in the public less started minute and they they already picked them. So they were like it's we really liked it but we can't do it with a nice rejection HBO Kinda Similar Shit were they were like, they kind of tease me a little they were kind of like we're in. We're in but like we're really interested and then it was like three weeks and they weren't they passed. which was it was so painful remember I was with stav Roche right after pod online. When I got when I was, he could just see me sang and gave me a hug. No such. Feeling and then and that her I was like, I can see this being an HBO thing I told a towel and he goes he goes yeah you don't have enough of a story. And then so then I'm in L. A. Netflix. Amazon Blah Blah Blah and we do the tap dance I do it at dynasty typewriter sells out quickly amazing show I'm so I'm so happy with how it went. nothing, and then my agent I'm back in New York she goes you gotta go to L. A. One more time I refuse to believe the you can't sell this hour and I said, fuck it. Let's do it. So go back out there selling out again and. Again, nothing and I was just like just so felt so defeated I felt like what can I? It's not about like did you know they were wrong? Sam. They were wrong in my heart but then of course you have, I mean, isn't it normal to have self doubt so yeah, I those art, all those things compete for me those things compete with each other but then over time it sorts out and I know they're wrong or I. Know they're Ri- in a way. So you knew you knew I have a really good our and I'm watching people's reactions and like this is the best I can do and my friends think it's funny. So like yeah. So then what's the next step? What's the next up? Well, I just was really hurt and I and I told my agent I said I'm going to shoot it myself. I refuse to to wait on these people because I know it's ready and I'm sick of the jokes and I'd like to move on I. Think I think when you hold onto jokes too long it's that's almost an admission of defeat you know because. You're just telling jokes I mean, I'm not an actor a comic I want I want to move on I want to continue to grow as a comic and I think the longer you overcooked our the the worse it is so. I mean to a degree you want to run it, but you don't WanNa. Overcook it. So yeah whatever the old guy there's different ways like if you did it for five years than it would be amazing in a different way. But yes, I agree with you you WANNA be done. So so what happened you say that your agent and what does she say she said a I think that's a good idea. She kinda just supported Enda and credit to her for you know for believing in something that made her zero money right so Then but you put up, you put up the money yourself or you raised it I put it myself, and then I but it also made it all back pretty quickly because we charge the door at the seller two sold out shows. So that helped the people I work with took a pay cut might the editor was my buddy from Tulane whom still good friends with a lawn? rector was Jason Cats. who who shot a sizzle reel for me, Mark Norman and Joe. List, we tried to sell a special the three of us and it's fun and we all released Youtube specials this year because we all got rejected. Keep wanting to why haven't watched Joe's yet patrol so fun. It's incredible Marnie too but I can't wait to watch JOE special they're both great. Yeah I. Mean it was painful. It was painful but then it was also. So it it was. So I was moved that these people wanted to be involved at a reduced rate. I used my set design for my last special. WHO's a big time set designer who is like? Yeah. Of course, I'll be involved fuck it like I don't even pay me. I wanted to help heavy. So incredible guy I don't WanNa say his name here because I don't want other comics to bother right but he's did me a solid but he's an amazing dude and then You know. It kinda just came together and. We shot in four K and the attempt to still sell it Because that's I guess would all the? Streamers, everything we're buying and you know we got a pass again but then comedy central, we'll put it on. Our will pay you to put it on our youtube channel. You retain rights in a few years to put it. We just ended on Youtube you still on the audios got an audio deal and all that and then Yes. So they put it up and you know it's it's it's like three point six million views in just a few months. So I'm grateful for for the no, it's unbelievable and it's mean I would imagine it's changed. You'd like although you're not on the road now but I would imagine that it has changed your profile right I don't know but I it's hard to tell because. You feel the love at the shows on the road but I got a lot of messages. A lot of comics I admired wrote me a nice note about it that that meant a ton that means so much and you know you say you liked it means a lot. You know I mean well, it really was stepped up and you did the thing like you did the thing you. You didn't wait for the gatekeepers. You film it Yourself. You found a way to get it up on Youtube through comedy central Yourself, and now like four million people by the way three seven, you can save four, million, four, million people have watched this, which only happens when people tell their friends to watch it and people share on social media and and it's in in this day and age. That's the way that we decide who our favorite comedians are in. You're a lot of people's favorite comedian now. And you just the road is like the road is really where you feel it and I was like now I put this out for the road and that kind. But then I'm also like, holy, Shit I, couldn't I could have been sitting on this enforce this out so that would kill me. So I mean to all the comics that were about to film something in this happened Holy I mean I can't imagine how frustrating that is. No, of course, the worst will listen dude we're at our our here and I mean there's so much more I want to ask you. But this has been great I'm so glad people get to hear your story so that you're in good. Are you in La or New York I'm in New York right now and are you in Taylor still living together a well I mean I mean she's in La but I'm planning on going back. At some bright use, people should follow Sam on all sorts of social media you get great peaks into his life and really funny stuff and. clips that are caught up that he's probably not allowed contractually to cut up and Follow. Me On twitter too. and. Really. One of the funniest guys in a guy always love talking to San Morale tanks for doing this. Great talking to you. All right and people you can find me at Brian Koppelman on twitter sandwich, twitter. Morell, our I l.. All right. Great everybody I will see you next time.

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