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Joe Rogan takes his podcast to Spotify

Recode Media with Peter Kafka

15:45 min | 2 months ago

Joe Rogan takes his podcast to Spotify

"Welcome to recode media appear Kafka that is me having to nearly live on digital tape because this is a semi emergency I'd cast. We only break out the semi emergency podcasts. Within a really big thing happens usually in podcasting and something really big is happening podcasting. Welcome MUZAK MAC our. Yeah what's going on Peter I am. I'm doing well crazy day. We break we break. Glass brings back out in case of semi emergencies. The semi emergency is that spotify has not bought Joe. Rogan Kinda has bought Joe Rogan. Do WE CALL HIM. The biggest name podcast. Today's he's definitely. He's the biggest individual in podcasting. Sure he is the biggest star in podcast without a doubt. The only show that rivals is like New York. Times the daily yeah can't by the daily so they didn't by Joe Rogan. They are acquiring him for a multi year exclusive license so the paying him some money. We don't know how much yet or assuming it's a lot a lot a lot and the really big news here is not just that they've gone and hired slash licensed Joe Rogan but in a switch from what they've done in the past spotify is GonNa Make Joe Rogan exclusive to spotify. They've done a couple of times smaller podcasters. But they're taking the biggest star casting paying him a ton of money. And saying if you WANNA hear him Joe Rogan fans all over the world. Come sometime later. This fall you're going to have to listen to a month To here but you will have to use our APP. So that's the news. This is huge. It's huge news. This is kind of like the big boy version of what luminary was trying to do. So Luminary which which is not working as an attempt to description service and they were trying to get name talent like Bill Simmons to make them stuff in. We don't need to pour more dirt on them. They're still alive but we don't need to to kick them anymore. What what I thought about when I heard this news was this. Is Howard Stern and serious? Do you remember that you probably like a yet. He was the biggest name in radio and then he got a lot of people to switch over and be serious radio subscribers to this day there's still a lot of people who subscribe to Sirius. Xm strictly for Howard Stern. Sirius was a a not huge but up coming a subscription platform and are trying to figure out. How can we get? Subscribers will take the most popular person in radio they pay them five hundred. Fade Howard Stern. Five hundred million dollars over five years to come there and the thought was some of the some of the Howard Stern audience listening to him. Free WILL COME OVER IT IN ITALY. Worth a half billion dollars and as you can still debate whether it work another version of this is is even earlier is Rupert Murdoch paying a ton of money to launch the Fox. Tv network. Back when there was Fox T. was the new fourth network by paying huge overpay for NFL rights. So this looks like the same idea. Spotify saying we really WANNA WE WANNA own podcasting And we're GONNA see if paying someone a lot of money to make them exclusive to our platform works notably. This is not what they did when they bought the records. Not with the defendant but Gimblett podcast. If those shows if those people already had popular shows you can still hear them on apple or wherever else you wanna hear. This is the first time they're they're gonNA make Joe Rogan. They're gonNA make a big show exclusive so right now. Joe Rogan is like a huge domino to fall in the spotify direction and move towards a possible like subscription model for podcasts. Right right now. Podcasts are free everywhere you get them. But maybe they'll be subscription or behind a paywall one day and right now Joe Rogan. The biggest podcast. The biggest person in passing is exclusive on spotify like in the next year. Eventually do you think that spotify will start to then make all of the properties? They purchase exclusive. Why THINK THE IDEA? Is They will. They're hoping that. Bill Simmons and the Ringer will create new hits for them and those will be exclusive. You already see them sort of rolling out stuff there and they're also doing some things With with shows that are Kinda quasi-exclusive on spotify where you can hear the entire run at once if you go to spotify but if you want to hurt another platform you gotta wait once a week. I mean keep in mind that did spotify already has a paid service right. You can get it for free. You can pay ten bucks a month creations on that if you don't want to hear ads so this kind of fits into what spotify already doing. If you WANNA hear Joe Rogan you have to engage with them if you wanNA hear without ads. I'm assuming you can pay a fee for that. I don't know in terms of Domino's mean I don't know how many more things they have to to go after they certainly have gone after men and sports. I don't know if anything close to a Joe Rogan or Bill Simmons that skews female Maybe you can. Maybe you can educate me on that. I guess when I look at the podcast landscape and I'm and I'm just like what other things do. They need to kind of locked this up to win this war right if they somehow figured out a way to get New York Times. Npr or this American life like to be spotify exclusive which in a recession and tanking economy might actually be possible. You put those things on spotify exclusively. That's like a huge move right. All of those. Those networks and shows are just gigantic and then in terms of what's left to buy things that are really Bible that are still kind of floating around are probably like Marc Maron Dax. Shepard are stool wondering crooked media in terms of individual voices or or smaller conglomerates of crooked media's curb version of of Spa We'll see. I mean you know when we were spotify had said they were looking at stuff. They've been looking at deals. The Bill Simmons was one of a couple different deals. They've been looking at asked Daniel about this when he announced the bill. Simmons deal Earliest series. Well we're still looking stuff And Joe Rogan was was kind of the obvious one that they might go for like over the biggest name the reason that I thought they might not is. They might not want to deal with any controversy that Joe Rogan kicks up And I feel bad using the word controversy at Roadway. Use that word when I wrote about it today doesn't really do Joe Rogan Justice. He's enormously popular If you are a certain kind of liberal I think you. You might recoil him. He's very broadly. What you hear is that He. He is friendly within the Intellectual Dark Web and Alex Jones is always the example. It gets brought up Alex Jones is the physical. Despicable conspirists Famous for for being Sandy Hook truth-ler really gross in Joe Rogan's had him on twice and that alone for a lot of people says that's not someone I want to engage with that someone I don't want to do business with and I think for some people spotify hiring Joe Rogan will be enough for them to not want to use spotify. I don't know how many people lettuce it's it is hard to pigeon hall of what. Joe Rogan is what is politics are who is audiences of the best thing I can tell this audience to do is go dig up a August nineteenth twenty nineteen story from the Atlantic call. Why is Joe Rogan so popular question? Mark it's really good. It's really smart. It's part anthropology. Parts of their personal Personal Narrative. It's it does. It gives you a pretty good handle on on who he is. I don't know if the spotify folks fully get that it doesn't really matter and again i. I don't think I think he is less controversial now than Howard. Stern was in two thousand four when Howard Stern was sort of the earlier. Howard stern who rebelled and boobs and jokes broken doesn't do that as much. I don't think this is super risky deal. But I'm sure there's a lot of money involved There's GONNA be some risk. Do you have any idea how much money is involved? I have no idea. We had that that that Bill Simmons would be one hundred two hundred fifty to two hundred dollars two hundred million dollar range. I think you're right about two hundred fifty million which is West Gimblett sell for right which is wrong game with price and so the question is Joe. Is Joe Rogan more popular than those guys? Yes it's just one guy. There's not really other shows. I'm guessing the Joe Rogan said. I am worth at least as much as you paid for those guys. So I'm assuming it's going to be something in that range we'll find. I'm sure I'm sure about if I will have to. Disclose it eventually Strategically you know spotify now. Spent well over half a billion dollars on podcast over the last couple years. We still don't know if it's working for them. What it's what. It's panning out there. Still very much. In the music subscription business that's their actual business. They had a clear lead on everyone else in podcasting as you and I both know. Podcasting is growing really interesting. Advertisers are interested. But it's still a very small business so we don't really know what all of this will amount to for spotify just spokane as a businessman when when you first saw this news. What was your. What was your first reaction? In terms of the jockeying for position I mean. They're not in the lead but this is a big move for them. I kind of think I mean it depends on what you mean by jockeying for position. I'm not sure they're fighting with anyone. Truthfully there's no one else spending anything like what they're spending to acquire talent and we can talk about apple in a second but it's not like they're competing with apple for this stuff. It's not what they're competing with Google for this stuff pretty interesting. To talk of emanate. People Their talent people. I I don't think there is competition for this necessarily Joe. Rogan ran his own company. He I'm sure he was making a ton of money. So you've got to pay him enough that it makes it worthwhile to not make his own money you know it's not like a streaming wars fight where. Netflix is coming off against apple which squaring off against. At and T. For a specific property in overall usage apple still dominates and what apple with spotify wants to do is bring more and more of that listing. Time over you know personal anecdote. I'm using spotify a lot more in the hassles podcast because I just forever but I realize I could really easily move a spotify podcast to my sonos speakers. None of these people are sponsorships and boom just like that. I've started my my time on spotify as a podcast platform has gone way up. So there's a lot of reasons to move from one platform or another for Tom for some people. It will be joe run right and yeah for me as a podcast user. I find the SPOTIFY APP. To be a little clunky but I also just given how much money. They're spending and how important podcasts are to them. I think it's clear that they're going to figure it out the. Us IS GONNA get better. The personalization is going to get better. Like they're going to get there because it's a priority and it's it's just never been a priority for apple so that's why things kind of consistently stay the same or about the same. Yeah and I think the most interesting thing to me about spotify in podcasting compared to apple is apple right now as you know is sort of a kingmaker for podcast. He can be featured on apple's main. You know PODCAST MENU. Your numbers go way up apple podcast church the one you care about but it is one store that has cells all the same stuff to all the same people it is very pre. Internet idea of a district distributor spotify. Meanwhile like Netflix right. They are trying to figure out what you want and trying to present stuff that you want based on your taste based on what you're listening to. Basam what people like you are listening to. And they can certainly do have a podcasting and they will eventually figure out A. You might be Joe Rogan lister. We'll present you Joe Rogan and people like that or you are not a Joe Rogan lister. And we're not going to bring it to you and we're going to bring you a bunch of other stock instead and that is a really really interesting settled. Levers for them to use could really changed the way podcasters Works absolutely. I mean the B- The big problem that's kind of plagued podcasting forever has been discovery and spotify more than any other company is is best setup to crack discovery because they can personalize and and have an algorithm that caters directly to you. Very similarly to Netflix. People have long speculated what could be the net flicks for podcasts. And that's why I mentioned luminary earlier. That was their big claim. Is We're going to be the net flicks podcast. That is not working out right now but it does seem like. That's a real possibility for spotify. I don't think it will Leonard. Got a bunch of reasons right but with Netflix. Proved a lot of ways. Wasn't that exclusivity mattered. It was we're going to get you a bunch of stuff a huge library. And then we're GONNA help you sort through at least initially. That's what that's what. Got Them Up and running now. Two Different Story and what? What does this mean for Apple? I don't think it means anything for Apple. Apple CAN CHANGE THEIR MIND. One day they have been known to. Change their mind. The past but right now if you talk to apple privately or publicly they pretty much. Don't WanNa be in a podcasting business. They're huge in podcasting. But it's not a business for apple it could be. They could go ahead and they could certainly pay for Joe Rogan's and Bill Simmons of the world but it's an advertising business they don't really want to be in the business and you know they're spending billions and billions of dollars trying to crack. Tv and I think that is their focus. And Hot Castings Nice but not important to them in their happy to what other people make money on podcasting on apple and that seems to be pretty consistent. West couple years. Yeah I mean the past year has kinda feels like the first year we've seen apple do anything in the sense. They they hired a couple of producers. They hire some marketing people. They said that they were. GonNa you know partner with some some media companies and make original content. But it's nowhere. It's just nowhere near what spotify is doing or spending. It's in it's just it hasn't been splashy. Yeah and by the way spotify. Spend a lot of time trying to figure out video and it never has there now. They're now trying to do it again. Their heart of this announcement is this idea of you. You can watch Joe Rogan. Podcast as well. I think they're doing from Bill Simmons as well There are people who like to watch podcast on YouTube. So fine. Spotify plan was not to be big and podcasting spotify. Initial plan was fifty something. Tv and video. Because that's where the money is so that didn't work. They found. Podcast me thinking working apple sticking with video. So can you just remind us one last time? Why is it important that spotify get into podcasting? Now why is this so important to them spotify pushing into podcasting? It's still not the most important thing. The most important thing for them is getting UMEDA. Spent ten dollars a month for music. And that's their main service as the thing that people are using the most but music costs a lot for the license. They have to take you out for each dollar that we give them. They have spent about seventy cents on the music labels. Podcasting is way too much better margin business and they also think. It's great for us if Peter Listens to whatever is listening beastie boys compilation on spotify if he also wants to love it or leave it on spotify. That's a podcast John Lovett. That's even better so the more time we can get Peter. Engaged the better. It is the less likely he is. To unsubscribe Peter That's made pays for subscription so he doesn't hear ads but if he did here ads we could show. We could play Moran's for him. We think that having more stuff that people like is better for us and additionally may be more profitable. I'd heard the I've heard them referred to their their goal as to own the ear right. So that's like all things that you're you're would consume music podcasts. And the average podcast listener is going to listen to a podcast longer than they're going to listen to music so that the time on. App is longer as well. So there's more value in that. Thank you ZAC MAC. I'm GonNa go back and Talk Zach Mac like in a minute because we're working on other projects. We'll say what it is Peter. Oh it is the netflix affect. It is our deep dive into all things net flicks seven amazing episodes coming to you. June twenty third. Yeah go subscribe to land of the giants. Thank you podcast listening audience. We'll talk to you in a couple of days. We've been other podcasts.

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Joe Rogan moves to Spotify #373

New Media Show

1:18:33 hr | 2 months ago

Joe Rogan moves to Spotify #373

"Popped up on the red bull all right now. Now we're ready and Changing Camera Harry. Everyone welcome welcome to the new media. Show my name. Is Todd Cochran Join Lamy Co host? Mr Rob Greenlee a rabbi new and doing great. Todd THIS IS A. It's always interesting in the podcast experience. It's it's probably good that we are doing this two times a week now because a when things break it's kind of Nice to jump in and talk about a little bit. Yeah it is and I've got hopefully breaking news tomorrow but I been been told. I can't talk about it today but probably not probably would get drowned in all the Joe Rogan News. That's true or controversy. Might be a better way of saying well. You know you know so for those of you. That have not heard any. If you haven't heard you're definitely not really paying attention. What's going on the space? That's okay we're we're here to fill you in Joe. Rogan has reportedly signed a contract with spotify between one hundred and two hundred million dollars based on performance. Do move his show exclusively. The spotify and guests wind is the. When does it go exclusive somewhere near the end of the year? Have you heard rob? You know mean. That's all that's all. It's put out publicly so I can't really comment about anything else. But I'm assuming it's I would think I'm not sure what would keep it from happening. Potentially sooner but We shall see know. I guess it depends on how it goes right so I just have to take a dig here because it's fun to do so and not in and don't get me wrong Joe. Congratulations I hope. You got a big fat juic- true to one hundred plus million dollar check. I'm happy for you. Anyone that's offered that type of deal in graduations but if they movie to anchor you know it is called anchor for a reason from what I the advertising selling is GonNa stay the same. Yeah I heard that too but as far as the hosting side of it. It's it's still a little bit unknown. We we still have not The the Joe Rogan team about anything changing anytime soon so there hasn't been anything on that side so I'm assuming it's steady the course until at some point They decide to do something different but It's it's it's it's an amazing deal on I. There's been rumors between one hundred and two hundred mil on this deal. And we don't know what the duration the deal is. He said a multiyear so. Y- you think about this. This this is like this is like a earthquake of like well let's give it a Richter scale radium about a seven because I would put it on the same as when When stern went to Xm right or serious right? Yeah well you know Gerakan has more people listening to this show than stern does but but back in the day right right so on tarmac so what you have is you have today a podcast and tomorrow a show and a show that is on spotify behind a log in no public accessibility unless you have the spotify. App and the reaction on Youtube. At least where some of this broke was twenty thousand. Gema thumbs up eighteen thousand gatemouth thumbs down so and I've seen all kinds. Of course you always see the negative stuff again. Congratulations Joe I'm you know we're happy for you But you see the fans there's some fancier aw in and everybody's a fan spotify no no you know. I saw once like I would you know is almost like a second amendment person saying ow. You know you'll probably pry the gun for my hands. You know when I'm dead or you know what there's there's there's no way I'm going to in your show on spotify so but at the same time and I can't said this and eye prank something out. Real quick for PODCASTS Business Journal. I basically said that he's going to have this marketing power. Spotify probably draw him whole brand new audience. People dip in largely probably have never heard of Joe Rogan Molyneaux. The the thirty and under crowd. Potentially so there's GonNa be a segment of people on spotify. They've never heard of his show ever and with him moving the entire library all of it not not just the new shows. All the old stuff comes offline right. Think about so if you want your if you want the past episodes Joe Rogan. You'd better start downloading them. Now that's an interesting point on now. If you want all the old episodes you you best go get him they. They are not long live for the pay for the Free Wall in about a free while. But it's it's it's going to be free but you still have to have the APP inside in this again. I Don I mean just surveys clear. This is not an advertising bill. This is a this is a content licensing deal which is quite quite different. He's supposedly going to keep all the revenue to Oli cow. Holy cow if he's keeping all the ad revenue not doing revenue share. You know. Todd I mean well. We don't know the details. An audience played. This is I mean I mean it feels like an audience play in overall numbers. His show is not that much smaller than the entire platform of spotify. You know as far as download compared the users. Yeah so that's our unique download so it doesn't matter perfectly to who spotify numbers but it's pretty close. I believe I believe. The latest number that was quoted was one hundred and ninety million per month and that's unique As as opposed to I think spotify at this like like two hundred ninety nine hundred million unique people a month right globally. I thought it was interesting number out. They there was people respectively at this is GonNa grow is audience outside of the. Us More there was nothing to stop him from growing his audience outside of the US more before this now Nassau. I'm not really sure. How just on spotify does that unless they do a big promotional push outside of the US but most advertisers don't really want advertise outside of the US anyway so anyway. So that's slowly changing though I think more advertising is starting to come in from outside of the US so I guess we'll see and from a money standpoint if he doesn't we don't know the technical details of the deal but if he does get to keep all his revenue that's the that's the speculation over my man. Hey Joe I've got. I've got a few businesses ideas for you. The man in incite fantastic so this. This is a home run for him but this is a little bit of a dark day for the podcast base. Well I mean financially. I think it's a IT'S A. It's definitely a win for Joe. I definitely want to congratulate him on that side but I do wonder though if if he's going to lose some of his audience though because of this. It's hard to say I. It's it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out and I don't know though we'll know in two or three years as if they talk about it that he's not going to have an RSS Thi this going to be successful. So here's the thing is no longer going to be the largest podcast. He may say he is but he's technically will no longer be. He was the largest podcasts and when he goes completely exclusive on spotify he will be a show on spotify lawyer. Your is doing with Xm serious all right so you know. That's that's kind of the direction go. It's it's going to free up a spot at the top pop position. I think Tom Webster made a. I think you posted on this earlier today. Saying that the daily Would kind of take that second second position? Move up a number one now but now now he was already on spotify his show was over there. Or it was yeah. Didn't think I didn't think he was over there. semi just in. Chat Room. Mike Dowse said in chat room he was might go check if maybe he just showed up on spotify. I think he showed up. I was my understanding that he was not being made available on spotify by this deal. That's valued as Bob. Yeah so spotify is made some. They've spent large in the space. They paid a premium for. I'm not saying the paint and premium Pujo but they paid a premium for some stuff. They've done the pod guessing space in this March to try to be a dominator. And you know it. It hasn't bought them that. Many percentage points globally. If you look at the average you know we can look now at the global average consumption of podcasts on spotify and that's not that wide it's not that big of a number for some shows are bigger than others. Some shows on almost nothing. Well Lipson shows about nine point one percent the number. We're probably a point and a half behind that like seven half so you know that they've spent big money to get the seven and a half but they're not gaining that numbers. They went there very quickly. And it's not incrementally going up but so the only way. I think the fastest platform was growing right. Now is Google right. I don't know it's a small percentage growth as a it's growing and that would make sense especially with the changes. They've recently made so but but the share share price for spotify jumped almost eight percent now that new so the Investors Wall Street likes it. Yeah THE IN. A and I would assume. Part of that is more time. Listen Joe Rogan means more less time listening to audio means less of the bill. They have to pay on the outside. Yeah and maybe some new listeners coming into spotify but when the percentage of those upgrading and I'm sure he's going to have to promote spotify on the show. I'm sure that is going to be part of the deal. He is going to be a spotify. He's GonNa be a spotify fan boy with the you know multiple zero dollar check and I would be too right. You know so. He's not going to go on there. And thus guarantee rough year and teed right you know cash check with Joe or checks. I thought it was entertaining Marco arment comment about it. He was pretty Pretty Stern about it. Our Marco's best so I'm sure it's going to have a direct impact on how much usage his apnea. It's going to hurt. Although spokes they're GONNA lose revenue for advertising. They're doing advertising there so you take the number one guy away and you know. But here's what I learned long long long long long long long time ago when I was in the Navy. We would have people that we're getting ready to retire. That would make these proclamations. How're you going to live without me? yes and guess what they went off like I did. I went off to retire and yes. My phone rang a few times. Someone calling for a little bit of helper information but that was a very narrow window of time where my value to the? Us Navy was still something that was. That's called hot. They don't know who you know. Not everyone is replaceable. Everyone is replaceable. In this space. Sure so we're going to have this. This is going to do is this is. GonNa you give huge opportunity. The some some new shows out there to move up the totem pole. A little bit here right step into that number one show position exploit that as much as they can. And that that I use that word correctly exploit that number one position get as much cash as you can and and maybe do another deal and it is what it is and so I don't the podcasting space is not going get hurt. Pod JESSE'S FACE IS GONNA CONTINUE. People are going to think. I could be the next person that could be bought by spotify. Bro and great that drives policy content. I see people see a lot of negative to this. I see nothing negative bad news. Good news anything like this awareness in the podcasting space grow make shows more valuable. Bro. It's his. His show is baillieu. -Able and other shows are valuable so maybe podcasters now that have been doing this for a while. They have a show that's established. Maybe maybe there's you know the Golden Opportunity Right Golden Potty and the rainbow somewhere right. Just keep him I. He's he's a podcast for the next six months. I at least on. I did see some speculation on on. Spotify is is trying to kill podcasts. Now based on this deal I know there's been some speculation on that Yeah there's there's one million sixty thousand shows and directory about three hundred thousand of them are active and is Tom Webster. Says this is a beautiful quote? The graveyard is full of irreplaceable men. Charles-de-gaulle said that so we're in a space where it's it's should be considered. We should all be celebrating. This is this is a cheer situation. You know it's it's like it's like it's like the kid that again i. I don't know Joe's full backgrounds. So we start he. Did it shown a garage built an empire. Well it's like Mark Mark Mirror in. Yeah this is. Who's come into the news coming? Go ahead the news coming from Ahrq Mariners quite sad? I know though that's true duster on that side. Yeah so those of you that have that list and I don't listen to mark show but those of you that listen Marc Maron show. He lost his partner. Very very I hear very very touching episode. Probably were girlfriend so you know it's Sunday they're be talking about us. Rob So we're going to be dead too so it's you know it's you know you hope you're talked with endorsement and not you know glad he's gone you but I think you know it's sad. What's happened with mark's girlfriend is is partner and then but it's you know we have these moments in the broadcasting space so when the little guys wind and then you know? Joe's BENEF- BORSA space for a long time. So he's not necessarily a little guy but yeah he started podcasting same time. Adam Corolla did mark mandatum than that two thousand nine time period when those type of guys kind of jumped in space so he is and I don't know I mean taught. I have a hard time seeing the daily Being the type of podcast that either should be or will be in the longer run or even in shorter. Run the number one podcast. I think I think another show similar to what Joe's able to accomplish is gonNA sit back on top again I'm not sure daily shows gonNA GONNA do that. I don't know I've never daily so right. And I very rarely listened to. I listened to Rogan. Maybe two or three times listened to Adam Curry interview. Couple others but to listen to align. Musk he's been on a couple of times now. I follow Elon. Musk by a bit but you know I could. I mean who could kind of kind of step into this role in the podcasting space? That has already. I think an interesting question. I think if Howard Stern decided to start doing a podcast. Probably be number one. Angelini may be Howard is I. Listen to Howard for Thirty minutes a couple days ago and he kinda pissed me off. It was one of those shows were. I just turned tuned off. So he's gotten to point again. Nothing wrong with Howard Stern. He's brilliant what he's done but And he's gotten rich. He paid his dues for many many years and he was you know. Got His butt kicked everywhere. Fc violations just on and on and on well that's why he got to be some right. That's true but you know I think. Stearns getting the point where. I think it retired at some point. But you know maybe not. But we'll see we'll see what happens as a stearns outcome in guessing. No way no no way if I might live to eat my words by. I'd just doubted he's anchor for Sirius. Xm They're not letting him go anywhere now he gets its daughter. And that's A. That's a good comment on the Sirius. Xm Platform seems to be holding the tone. The only reason I have a Sirius. Xm subscriptions because start the only reason right when he was because I was driving three hours and twenty minutes to Columbus. You Know Vice. A month ago because Stern. I guess in the bigger picture of things is where Joe Rogan just went right in the same kind of deals situation is different with the stern stern was constrained constrain from being the antics he wanted to do on trust radio right right and JOE has not been constrained. His show will not change. It will stay the same. It'll be the same show. Just Don spotify. So so that's a major difference in this and you know so. Stern got a huge check. Rogin got shoots huge check and Tassone one way to look at this is that could Joe Rogan have gotten a similar deal out of one of. He's big radio networks. You think the only place he coulda went would ban. I don't know because like I heard one of these big huge Easter listen to stern. They're still doing commercials. They're on a radio. Format commercial is so right now. I was just dishing Joe. Pre load is commercials. And it's interesting. That radio didn't didn't get in on this. Who the radio. Maybe they did bid on trying to go after go. Well the I who can afford who could afford it a deal like that Iheart Mamie but room but they couldn't sit decamp put him. They can't put Joe on terrestrial radio that don't work. How will now? That's that tells you a little bit about. The future of this stuff is right. Yeah is is radio going to be able to compete with this at this level? I I don't know what the rules are talking about smoking. A blunt on trust your radio is. I don't know if you can do that and you. I don't even know I guess the only thing you can't do on radio is the you know the handful of naughty words what the thirteen words or something. The end you know X. rated discussions and that kind of stuff so again I don't follow the rules on trust you but I don't think joe would fit over there but you know on an APP. There's an APP for that. You know I had a back and forth with James Cridland on email. James I was mad at him and James. I'm not mad at you as we had a little. I I did a little dig on. Trust your on radio and of course we knew whenever you say something on twitter. You're not putting a wink or smiley face or Chaka or whatever you know it can be read the wrong way. But James sent me an email and said we shouldn't be fighting with radio and I said we're not fighting radio and I wrote him a fine extensive email. Basically saying here's in its. We've talked about on the show a lot and how I thought about Radio. Just the opposite who. We held a lot of radio broadcasting so They're they're joining our Party over here or something the way around so you know and I and I just kind of laid it out and you know this. This summary is everything I've talked about in this show before you know I I look at my thirty two sixteen year old in getting their cars and turn on turn on the Carts on Bluetooth or they're plugged up and the back seat. They're not listening. Terrestrial and okay. I'm still listened to little radio here in there but not local then. It does nothing for me. I don't have drive here. There's no you know we've talked about this already so So did what's happening now. Move Radios demise to the left a little bit. Maybe a little. But you know they're going to be here for twenty years more at least but are people going to be commuting less now so because of this going forward even even with US opening up I mean on more and more. These companies have announced that the twitter did and I know soft. Twitter owns one other property to they tell their other company. They don't have to come back to work either. What was beyond this point? Yeah more and more of these big corporations are realizing you know when they really step back and look at it. They can save a lot of money on real estate letting people work from home. So Eric says actually Reading from the bottom up here com says pony show is getting CONAN. Show is getting there. Colin up there. Eric Says Eric Tremor says uh hemmer sorry he says Rogan got the best part of the deal laughing all the way. Does it suck that. I won't be able to like like be able to watch like I used to on Youtube. Yes but I'll follow him because I liked the show and Marnie of thanks for joining the Party. Here you know. I never never went to watch Rogan on Youtube so the only time ever listened to his. Contel I listened brought. So it's I mean it's almost people consume it so the question is rob this show because we do video or we're going to be able to get the video. Are this video on spotify. Well I don't know our show of puts the response any podcast again. Be Able to get video over there. Will they keep using this term? We're going to add video podcasts. But sometimes I think that maybe they don't really understand what they're saying when they say that you know what I'm saying. I mean because Joe Joe Show is a podcast. But Joe Show is not a video that's right. He has a youtube channel right. Yeah it's the youtube show or it's a just a streaming video show. It's not a video. Podcast is what this showed it. Isn't what Goede so. Are they going to carry a livestream? Joe's show on spotify. I don't know that it's live. I think it's all prerecorded. Oh so he doesn't actually stream just he does the stream to screamed an on demand stream but saying is does he. Now do so. Eric Does Joe. Do a live show on Youtube. I don't believe he does so. It's just videos. Uploaded consume most podcasts. And I'd I never consume. Why do you go to Youtube to listen to something at that to me is I? Don't understand that at all. So what will people do play videos on there? And just listen to the audio though like on their. Tv's whatever it'll be playing or it'll be you know their phones or in their car or something like that his playing through Bluetooth now. It's it's a cheap way to get the music. Oh all right so anyway I don't know and I know there's a lot of people you know. The Sky is falling and I don't think the sky is falling to be honest with you I again. I don't think is either. I see it's opportunity for people to step up and matter of fact I had a show that was you know running up there I would be. I'd be going after advertisers. That are on Rogan. Show saying what I would say. Well he's GonNa still run them but I would be saying. Hey you're not getting your message. Heard other places besides spotify. You need be running in my show. You know that non duplicate of audience because almost guarantee almost guarantee you that the majority of spotify listeners. Don't listen anywhere else. I would be shocked if spotify is. I hear it from my own team. Got a couple of team members. Love the spotify APP and loveless in the podcast on their. They're not using any other POD catcher at all. So that's a you know. They're not separating everything is on doing on spotify so so I think it's going to be interesting to the see how this plays out. I'm sure we'll be talking about it more in the future. Why seeing that. He's on your platform right. You know and if he does leave well sorry for the revenue loss. Your bandwidth bills definitely going to go down potentially kick comment much on any of that. Well I know you can but if you think about the volume is just you know. Come on. We saw. It's not hard to hear you know whatever downloads. He claims he looked you. Look at the file size and you just do straight math based upon and you know how much he's using and you know I ran a little calculator on an earlier today and Yeah he's he's pulling some juice you know he's he he probably 'cause you guys from have being able to pay for your Van With Bill on a credit card and have to do bank transfer in know you might be able to go back for pain. Yer Bandwidth Bill on a credit card. Now there you go. That's what we're going do that twenty dollar. Ach Ach transfer fee. So he's he's just moving a few. Maybe Peta Bites of traffic so you know I got to be something else going on the right I you know. It's here's what's going on is so I'm living in a small town. There's thirty thousand people here right right and Had someone socially distance came over the office. Yesterday it's getting radio podcast. They got they got big ideas and a pretty good plan and not because of me. They just in to talk to me because they knew that's what he did. And we're GONNA take care of them of course but if I have in this small town some incoming to me with a significant plan and building a podcast network. That tells me that this this. The space is nowhere near it. Still on fire Luke. Now so now. The question is and these two individuals they were. We did quite a bit of discussion on you. Know what what their plans should be and You know they're going to give it a two year run see where it goes and And have fun doing it so I. I think there's a lot of serious people get in the space still so what I don't think that this announcement negatively impacts any of that I think it just accelerated because people realize that. Wow there's to grow a goose I show. You might have an opportunity right yeah. Tom Says there is one potential. Negative thing for podcasting about this deal though. Rogan will now have excellent consistent. Metrics targeting advertisers are going to those reports better than the mixed media. They're getting from podcast. Might be safer by for some advertisers. Man That'd be it could be if they want back client side data but I've been talking to a law. I mean a lot of advertisers recently. And they don't care they don't care about the client side data they absolutely. It's not become an injection on any call that I've done well on that are used to buying in streaming radio. That's those are the ones that Arab that kind of stuff. I'm not getting any neither brand big. I mean big fortune companies that are starting to spend money in the or I'd say five hundred fifty fortune fifty companies that are looking to buy in podcasting space in a big way. And they they don't care about the client. I have not heard and I've asked him. He were worry about client side. Data you worry about attribution. No No. We'll talk. Are they saying that? Because they know they can't get it or are they saying it because they truly don't need that data they don't need it to make a by decisions now now. On the other hand there had been some smaller people smaller companies. Come to me that I've had always doing education. It's actually frank pretty atop We had team stopped doing agency recently. And that was just new. Getting into podcasting and it was shocking. How much they didn't know I mean really didn't know so. That is an ongoing thing where we have to continued to educate attributions being sold as a service by someone that's trying to make money selling attributed data and it's being sold as a way to get more data and in what they're really getting about that much more data right just a spectacle of data. Really that helpful. Thank you know all right. So you listened to versus what's the benefit of exactly Haas high benefit low pro and actually increasing the cost of campaigns and the trade off is not appreciable. Then be me wrong. Well not time. We all want the client's idea that want it just as much as you do. That'd be great and and we got a little bit of that with this. This Google rule management area that was analysis from spotify. You've got it from Google. You're adult and apple so you pick a segment of that data and you build a story around your sales neck. If that gives you probably seventy seventy five percent of your listening. Probably there between those. Three companies depends on. How many people are using apple podcasts? Hummy people using Google podcast. And how many using spotify you look at your percent. John Apple podcast APP. You look at the percentage on Google podcast APP and whatever that number is but you've got clients. I dated to give now. The apple stuff is always to me. Is the numbers. Always don't I shouldn't use that function of at mean sold out Well they're not using the same metrics that we are is kind of what it is so yeah and and they're more worried about Roelof than they are about their like they WanNa know when your audience is rolling off. Yeah quickly gets into this conversation about duration right or segments that you see follow that we've been providing that blueberry the partial lay data for five years now so it's nothing new agree we'll talk. Did you see that the nominations for the British podcast awards were announced? I did I got a embargoed email about one hour before the embargo expired. I send it over to the writing team at the POD. Yesterday news had him but something up saw that. Read the list to be honest with you. Did you deserve any notable names on it I was scrolling through it just to look at it and I believe a lot of them are a UK based shows so which isn't surprising right. You don't see a lot of crossover in these. You know like the podcast awards in the British podcast. Where there's not a lot of crossover of different countries in in those which is kind of interesting when you think about it Why that would necessarily be the case. I forgot to add one thing. I'm sorry go ahead and finish and then I don't know so how do you know why attribution has become popular in some instances? It's not because it's it's not because the media buyer or no it's not because the media buyer has wanted it it's because some podcasting companies are selling it as an additional data. Oh right but they caused their own problem right. Oh Yeah we can provide generation data along with this deal. Oh Wow when we need. Do we need that? Sure you do. You need this attribution data absolutely. And then they get it in their head. The next person they talked to and he'd attribution data and then you ask them. Why do you need after we? What kind of numbers were report? Well we're looking at this report and we did a fifty thousand dollar buy and it was a million downloads. Or you know it's just use a number we had a million downloads on it and we had like one half of one percent that we saw attribution report. That matched up Yeah that that's valuable. Bill goes. Be careful what information you wish for right. You know. It's it's all it's all smoke and mirrors. You know you. You really need this and we're the only ones that give this to you right. Yeah really this. This is a this is a this is how we differentiate performance on. Oh you really do. Wow Wow I Jewish in data I don't have to pay attention to downloads. No more now. Everything all mixed. Yes I as I said. We're both wearing blue. Today was not a coordinated effort. I grab the I got twenty three. It's not blue. It's actually kind of a a an ocean green color but the camera probably doesn't recognize the Ocean Green Khalil. You definitely need. You've got a serious serious chroma white balance issue. Your your shirt is what color? It's it's like a ocean green. Looks Boulou looking in your shirt? It looks like the. It's a light blue lighter. Blue like baby blue. Here's does kind of looked like grey blue. Where something right your coca. Coca-cola color isn't really Coca Cola. Read either some maybe. That's they sell these cool. Things robbed their their wiz wheel. That have color. The thought I have been looking at more. Like a cannon Camcorder Kinda camcorder but but a digital. I O really you know it so I can send you a couple of recommendations here's the thing about DSL ours when you use those for long periods of time bad batteries a problem. You can get these with a plug in battery. Okay you know. Just gotTa wear the runs out of the back. You put it in the camera in it so you know if you go ninety minutes on Diaz are you know. Just be aware you're going to run up. Yeah Yeah Yeah and Marty says Royal Blue for both of you Geez. Now I'm definitely wearing a royal blue and if you can't tell this is where the color problem comes in this. This is actually peach right here on. The shirt believes be listening. I can Kinda pick that up. I can see it a little bit. I guess my color this cameras pretty almost almost a pink so this color on this camera colors brick close so but this name in my face changed this camera. See My tone changes a little bit. They're not mashed up on your caller just a little bit more that pinkish entirely. It's because of the the light chains shooting that people listening. Don't care they don't absolutely not so so we were talking about attribution. We don't need going further in that we're talking about the UK podcast award the nominations winner there. When is there award ceremony Gonna? Have we know Let's see here. What does it say on their website? So is here Dossier on the front page. All right. Let me bring it upon the so here. This is So there's fifty judges nominees nominees were chosen by fifty judges acid difference between most of these wards of people's choice. Podcasts word they got a heck melodic categories one two three four five six seven eight nine ten fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty two one. Two three four out can taunt they must have some good sponsors because each of my each mike categories possibly queen typically on average about six hundred dollars to run a so voting for listeners. Choice Award supported by BBC. Sounds now open. The word Simoni running closes on Monday may sixth so sometimes around there will be the won't be sometime after that will be the award ceremony. I guess scream. Did it alive livestream of the nomination Yesterday Thomas Tom Webster said the audio for this part will be riveting. All right well we. We've fallen off of the here. It's hard to beat talking about. Joe Rogan sorry. No He's about the color of our shirt. Oh that's what he was talking about. Yeah that's why it will be so riveting right. Oh you're doing two shows a week now. Tom We we have to dig and dig for content but of course my my mouse is like not wanting property. Can't bring up the page as looking for is there is. There is other news going on well. I guess Google has reinstated the podcast attic. Yeah and with quite well. It's it's interesting. There was a double story there because they said there some VP. Said that the show should have never been pulled from the Google play store agree and then and then he was still getting emails from their system. Basically saying you know you need to do these extra step. So was kind of funny. The bought was still. You know in mode did they. Were not compliant and Though that that was kind of interesting pail so hopefully and of course a lot of this even I tweeted a how you is. GonNa fix this so this doesn't happen again. And how do you explain the Google podcast and we? You know if if it was truly again have you. Someone reported that APP because overcast and all the other APPS did not yet taken down so well why is that? I wonder well. Let's go because nobody complained. Who knows. So what what do you think about this this controversy with these two gals and I'm not familiar with the show at all. But they're at war with each other and have you. Have you followed that very much? Well it's a show it was. I think it was a couple a youtubers right that that started a show Is the platform. I can't I can't remember the name right now. That they launched on they way. The show became very very popular. And what was it called again? The Oh it's like something Daddy. What was it to? Yeah but so anyway. We'll we'll figure out the name but so these two women are fighting for control the show or you know I keep seeing people talk about it. I don't have the full beat back details on that. Yeah so they. They were very popular. They negotiated a deal and then And then they they Became wildly popular show. And and then they wanted to renegotiate the deal. I think it was with was it. With cadence cadence. Thirteen was be careful. I don't know who which company was with that. Yeah but but anyway they. They host tried to renegotiate the deal because what they had done is signed a deal and given up all of the rights to the show right to the network and they were basically getting a salary out of this right and then as the show became more and more popular they. The hosts kind of rebel. The went back and said you know they wanted a better deal and the numbers were were revealed. It was like one of the host. Got Like five hundred thousand allows and the other hosts got like four hundred sixty thousand and but that that even wasn't enough so that s that's a pretty decent salary for a podcast but can in numbers were they doing. I don't know didn't share their download numbers you know brings up I don't know if about it on the last show we you know and again we've talked about on this show before but if you if you're doing a show with Novo host Even if your best best friends or Bros. It you need to have an agreement. We we discuss went through around with a very popular show that basically was hijacked by the CO host. They took the show to another platform. They moved it they redirected it He had accessed. All you know. Both rothe hosts had admin access and This this podcasters. Is You know trying to recover from this? And you know he's not going to have complaints extinction event but he's going to have boot the updated influence. It's actually Barstool sports now in his call. Her daddy was named show call caller daddy and the agreement originally had a three year deal for them. They paid about seventy thousand dollars per year with bonuses based on downloads. And and I guess the show became you know huge success And they want to Our renegotiate the contract. The say Sir says one of the hosts made over five hundred thousand dollars in one year and the other one made four hundred sixty s so they were making good money on this the no question about that but the host wanted more and then they also wanted the full rights to their show back to sell that to call hosts were not fighting amongst each other. No no no. It was them printed renegotiate with the network which was the Barstool sports while the BARSTOOL. It's Guy Barstool sports guys than Pretty active recently on social. So I don't know much of a mood to negotiate or not though it imagine will Joe Rogan deal for for for awhile. Now I see that. There's there's podcast coming out many of them that are trying to cover the topic. Yeah I'm sure and I'll let the recode media folks have an episode coming out talking about it. I guess this is probably going to be one of the most analyzed deals in the podcasting space for the immediate future. Yeah I I think what? We're what we're definitely going to see. Here is that I will see how it progresses over time and And what happens with the with those deals and You know what continues to be popular guests overtime. So yeah so says. Hey you're still live on facebook and twitter breathe. All we know we were. We're live. I was just thinking I I was thinking I I need to go over and get my hotel for podcast movement. How do you get it reset up? We got different. Yeah we started getting some information from the What do you call it from the the the the the convention people on Oakdale and being to to basically re book stuff? So we'll see if it continues here Down the road. So how did the outlier podcasts? Before you went good I know if we talked about the last show but I think that you know our our expectations were were Matt and I think that it You Know I. I think it went well. I there was a again. You just. It's it's hard to have a great interaction with the the audience when you are when you're doing stuff And you know because you're you're going through your presentation and the questions are going off on the side and you really can't answer the questions So you know that's always. It's always a challenge so all right so we are only up on facebook right now and Got Appreciate everyone not making a comment in the chat room. One person warned me. I'm GONNA be doing a a presentation also at the. We are podcast. Us virtual event on on Friday. I'm going to be parking about how to build loyalty in your audience and how to how to foster co host relationships and Chemistry an and loyalty over there. That's going to be on Friday at five thirty five fifty pm on the West Coast on Pacific Standard. So that was for. We are podcasts. Yes all right. Well I think I've just about got rid of all the all the videos here will go through and delete that other one later. Okay so we can get back. Yes you know once in a while you have under those panning moments you can't live. You can't undo life no you can't. You can't undo live and Yeah that that That was unfortunate so on. We've got a whole segment of the show. That a missing folks if you're listening to this e if you listen to the audio portion of this year okay but if you watch if you re watching the video portion of this part of the show is is gone. Reminded me of video podcast today. Bright SO I. I don't know rob from a perspective of I'm kind of throughout my balances off penny here if you haven't noticed it already but I think from the new standpoint and watching what's going on with you know just like stuff is trickling out little bit and You just not a lot a huge. A huge announces yeah. Bbc announced that they had like two hundred thirty million downloads in quarter one which is a pretty big number and if you think about that from that perspective did you guys earnings report that was reported on On pod news as well Have you guys tried this new? Rss and PODCAST APP or desktop is called winds though charter So this is Was reported so I guess it's a podcast web APP. I guess. Is that what you'd WanNa call it and it's a beautiful open source podcast. Rss Reader full. Todd okay so let me okay. I'm looking at it here and let me try to reload this so it looks to me like it's just a it's Oh it's a soft. It's actually a software. Desktop software APP. Active activity feeds. I don't fully get this. People aren't watching too much stuff on the web these days. I guess this is what it looks like over here in the right hand column Kidney Ip the IP Tripod give the wife says give the IP's try. I'm missing where your saint seeing that. Oh it's the the US for developers says a open source. Rss AND PODCAST APP wins. Three point one is an open source. Podcasts arse reader created by streams free desktop APPS available from Lennox and windows. Weber's Roosevelt up ops. Yeah so again. It's a again people are digging for news. And we're I was digging for news. They going over. What had been reported over? Nepad news talk am one topic. That just came to mind. Was I thinking about it as should should we be paying attention a little bit more to talking about the cussing industry? Pay More attention to what's going on with these You know the the the Amazon's smart speaker platforms the Google. Just because it's very likely that listening patterns of started change and I do know that there's New Technology is being worked on out there to the integrate these platforms more into cars and mobile devices and other types of appliances than I think at the industry is lost. Lost a little bit a focus and emphasis on these smart speaker platforms mainly for the reason that if you look at the stats there. There's not a lot of usage over there but I just wonder if were were missing an opportunity by taking our our eye off of the balls they say on that. I don't know if we are. You know there's so much stuff happening. I content consumption a lot of stuff that we that is just continued to evolve. Happens whether we watch it on right. I do sense a little bit of pushback on those devices. Because they've they've historically been growing very slowly and consumption right but I just wonder if we're missing out I mean. Is there something that we can be doing differently when he make those things grow better in? And because I do know that there's companies out there that are thinking about this right and that aren't necessarily in the podcasting base there in the content space right there. They're thinking about video. They're thinking about audio. They're thinking about integrating radio. Other types of these devices are going to be so integral part of our homes as more and more homes become smart homes right the having these in every room of the house or having I mean is this feels like the a little bit like with Sonos right so for many years. Sonos was a very popular listening platform for for. Podcasts It feels like that. These platforms are kind of replacing those and is there an opportunity to create a better discovery? Experience in a better listening experience for podcast on these platforms. Not necessarily I think one of the big things that holes those things back is the group listening aspects of these smart speakers right because they're usually sitting in the living room or the bedroom and people like to listen to podcasts on a personal basis individually right. I think that's one of the big things that holds them back by just wonder it are these platforms. GonNa evolve into something that becomes more of a personal listening experience Over time I installed a plaque server. Yesterday I'm trying to organize if you guys are familiar with that but what I was surprised was is. It had podcasting polluted in as an option to consume stuff. So he right along besides movies. Music Will there as outer part about. We're about a year and a half ago. Yeah so I think I knew that when I added it yesterday and make me break one of these BUK servers. Because I'm trying to basically manage the new media that will not new medium digitizing videos from vhs and high Eytan so wanted a place to put all that and Organiz it in made bigger to good places be that puck server so When I saw the podcast there I was pretty surprised now. What was more interesting was? Is that the shows that they're promoting. I really had never heard of before so it was not like they had a mainstream lineup of shows. I was pleasantly surprised but at the same time I was kind of like. Will this be a bad experience for someone that is discovering podcasts for the first time through plex server and again maybe not But I was pleasantly surprised to see them See them in there. Yeah because I believe that flex platform is on in cars and it's in their own APPs devices and let's and what's cool is you can act if he said up to access it. You can access your home library from really anywhere from tied into a dvr so basically builds you can have one of those over there. Antennas can report stuff. Dvr Sal and still be able to access it. If you have a high enough Internet connection at your home. They'd be able to stream your home library right on your phone from wherever you're at and mice my ban with really won't support it. But maybe after I get all the videos converted me Belvin Saul several here in the office and then make it public so that and family and stuff can get access to those videos and a little bit on this same bread of thought. Anyway I've been hearing and I'm sure maybe you've heard this rumors to apple's going to come out with a like a glasses type product. When I say glasses I mean like augmented reality glass para glasses this kind of have a special lens layer. I guess over the the lenses to be able to project digital imaging Like on like the Hud. But it's it's this combination of like Virtual reality augmented reality type of experiences. And I think apple. There was rumors that apple is going to come out with this. And and you know this next year but now it's been delayed or something like that I. I wonder you know and you combine this with the the smart speaker. Technologies of the smart agents. Technologies is probably what I like the column these. These is more. You combine those. Are we going to come into a time where we're going to use these mobile phone type devices less glasses thaad that that shows you the screen in front of you all the time right or optionally all the time? Why do we need these? I think that's a stretch people unless so these glasses are by and there some name brand and to me. They're low profile low drag. So are people going to wear? Maybe guys will better lady's GonNa Watch. Were and some sort of device. It's going to be bigger glasses. They have a Hud's like projection. I don't know I I just don't see it. What's the same thing I mean? I mean what you're doing right now is it may be a little bit example of what could happen to some degree as were those classes. Have like earplugs right that plug in your ears and maybe you can listen to content through those you can control through voice voice control the content on your you know but I I do agree pod do think about this aspect of it. Is that people like to do things quietly to right. Not say everything because then everybody else can hear you. So how do you control something on your glasses? Other than speech right is not in every. You're not gonNA WANNA use speech in every situation that you're no. I wonder how these technologies are going to let you know. It's ask ask do you think that Y- glassware like something applicants out the similar probably more cooler than Google glass but the really great that someone's GonNa someone is going to Where that I? I don't know I I or will you watch your apple. Watch be the controller of your glasses. That's your that's your touch control of what you see on your glasses. How many devices do we have to charge now in a hell no? I'm just trying to think of you know as we move beyond. I think there's been a lot of talk about people moving away from these smartphone devices. How can we integrate the technology into our lives seamlessly in still add? This augmented layer right and people. Have these watches? That are becoming digitally internet-connected independently of phone. So I can envision a connection that happened between the watch and your glasses the watch becomes here control pad. For what you see on your. Your glasses are what you hear in your glasses. 'cause you can currently listened to a podcast right directly through your watch right. All you need is some way to listen to it. Right an apple has he's wireless ear pods right. Why not build that? Same Technology into a Classes I guess if it does the bone conduction. But if you've used in action before you know that that is not that's not something I want to listen to every all day long that has to be bone. Conduction acknowledgee it can be just like the Apple Apple Air Pods. Today's just their bachelor. The glasses somehow rob. I think they're getting know I. We'll have to see I just. I'm me a doubter. At this point you know because they're working on something but I mean I keep hearing Luther something come. You've got most most people that were glasses that can handle it where contacts. They don't WanNa wear glasses there. You go there's another so hey well again. Granada cyborgs yet. So I think that the the glass situation just based upon my experience with Google Glass I age in there wasn't that was an interesting experiment. Apple is really an and they if they make can do as they can but apple would really have to knock this out of the Ballpark for style function. Of course they're going to. Yeah I let they're not gonNA be able to come up with a set of glasses like I'm wearing have that function todd l. There's no way I mean not probably not exactly like the side rails you have. There are going to be thicker. There's question Eric says. Trust me the cult of apple will line up around the block to buy Apple Smart Glasses. That's true right and I mean I'm sure that those those rails down the side will be a little thicker right because the they're going to have to hold processing power and battery in an and they'll probably operate wireless charging as my guess. Yeah we'll see we'll see but I don't will. Yes but you know I had a google glass with a Hud. With a pop-up they came up in front of me and gave me. I could see the menu items and I could play videos and I could. The experience was just clunky even trying to use it using Google blasted to drive was not. It was not. I got a better view comparing Google last to this. I think apple wouldn't come out with something that that stupid do you think so taught i. It's going to be the form factor is going to be buried temple even with modern technology. The form factor. Yeah it's IT'S. It's a difficult challenge. I with it. But we've got there's something on the horizon thought that's going to evolve our way the we interface with technology and this is can't just keep on these slabs technology. You know what made people most mad about Google glass? They thought you were filming. Them are taking pictures of them. And you could. You could take pictures in them. Do a livestream with those things right but people were weirded out and he will do something about someone taking a picture with their camera. That's one thing but someone secretly being able to double tap on the side of the glass and take a picture is something that people just attributed to perversion peeking. Tom To you. Keep when I wear those google glass people would ask. How are you me they would ask? Are you recording me? And Not in a nice tone. He will say no. I'm not reporting and sometimes I'd have to take off my glasses and show them that. Nothing was being reported Maybe the glasses don't have a camera on if they don't then that's better but Google's not I mean apple's been cameron in no way they would I think they're going to be fairly simple experiences. I think it's going to be a visual device. I don't think it's going to have to have a camera in it for the work. I guess that would keep their iphone business in fact because basically the iphone is is basically a camera right yeah. Glen says in the Chat Room Apple Pie Apple. People are like lemmings. They'll buy anything that has were apple and say it's the best even have doesn't work agree with you that doesn't exist yet you know. I'm I'm from the cult of Mac now myself. I use a lot of Max and but for me. It's a tool and I'm not cultish Chabad. Well where's the next evolution in our our digital devices in our experience. That's the bigger question. I think it's all about health technology brushing and that capabilities already here. It's true but the health stuff is pointing increase and be the most. I hundred percent agree. I think it's the foreign packers I think is where were the? Innovations are going to have to happen. Meaning what inform packers device or factors? Apples been pushing pushing the envelope on this for a long time. Well full rounds are making a comeback in some instances. I'm not full BOMAS. You know if we look at the future they show us all carrying around glass tablet someday. So that's possiblility through. I agree agree. T the kind of borderless. The vice think some of the new Samsung devices that are coming out are are becoming less and less Of a border and I believe the next iphone not even going to have that an were cut out at the top IPAD. The next IPADS are supposed to be borderless as well. Edge were the actual camera itself in the center is built into the screen. New can't tell word yet. You can't see it it's there but can't it though it'll be interesting it's like Caveney teleprompter and you can read the teleprompter but the camera can still shoot. Do the teleprompter and the big reason why. I'm reason this topic. Is You know. Get US thinking about how how this stuff could impact podcasting right. I think the combination of video and audio park dousing appears to be accelerating here. Todd I mean mean. Think about apple if apple and spotify add video podcasting platform. That's by that eighty percent of the podcasting consumption. Yeah I could see video really come back and be an important part of the podcasting medium. People still only have so much time for video right and you know this show. We press it by doing ninety minutes alive and we have people that hang out with this the whole time and we appreciate it but you know most the shows. I listened to a listen on audio. I don't want to many shows myself the recently and again just recently watching more youtube stuff than I ever have. Just because I'm step on Netflix and Amazon prime so the and producing new stuff. I can't call it anymore compelling stuff I'm listening to in podcast either. No definitely more visual and gives you know there's instead of two dudes on a show. Sitting in front of microphones and a youtube videos have some sort of activity and good ones have been edited heavily. We don't added except for today. That's that's what took talk all about right. Well that's true and people love Tick Tock but it's fifteen to sixty seconds or fifteen or sixty seconds of repeated means everyone's doing the same thing not too much originality on the there's a few that original but everyone else is largely repeating the same. It's definitely a hot topic. Cutting a question about it. I agree with you. I think it's probably like probably being used more dating now than You know guys are checking out hot chicks and girls checking hot guys and I'm DM each other and if a within. I think they're using it. I think take toxic big dating platform. Now that's what I would predict but maybe I'm wrong there someone. It's the same thing that's going on within the instagram platform. I mean yeah he. I hear about that too about you. Know I think geyser showing their muscles and their back then by the time pod. The facebook supports podcasting. It's going to happen and well. Maybe better better than they do because right now they really don't support it with how much of the contents going to take down because he come the standard as much as being taken down in other places for only were you know we're doing live on facebook and you know we haven't gotten taken down yet. Well we don't do anything controversial here. Thaad not on that scale right right but there's GonNa be certain people that will have shows it'll be we'll probably already are putting out video wise right now going to happen so I think we're at the bottom. Yes thank God. I'm say by the clock. Todd is doing a voice a week. Is that too much for us now? I think either just this week. We were going good until my technical screw up today. Oh that's true. Yeah I that threw me off so again there's GonNa be a segment of the show. That's going to be missing today. The people aren't the people were live listened to it but I just have to remove segment. We'll give us feedback Do you think you only want us once a week or is it okay that we're doing it twice a week? I think as long as we have enough news and what we need to make sure we do. Rob Is if we we early if we run out we. Just don't need digby go to ninety minutes at the but I like digging. I know you do and of course you had an absent hosts here for about fifteen minutes while I was killing stuff so that that didn't help things not health things. So we're going to go into edit that out right He. Oh it's yeah it's it's going away immediately. Even the even the facebook post is going away mmediately. No good yeah. Is that operator error on my end. Those listening later. You're like what happened so all right. Well we'll wrap out of here. Todd Blueberry Dot com at each news on twitter at Rob Greenlee through us And then can be found an email rob G at Lipson DOT COM. And we'll see everyone back on Saturday. Thanks for hanging out with this. We definitely appreciate it. 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Ep 24: Joe Rogan se muda a Spotify

Un Poco De Todo

33:05 min | 2 months ago

Ep 24: Joe Rogan se muda a Spotify

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Keep Redefining What You Do

Naval

02:03 min | 1 year ago

Keep Redefining What You Do

"We just finished talking about the importance of working hard and valuing your time next. There's a few tweets on the topic of working for the long term. The first tweet is become the best in the world that what you do keep redefining what you do until this is true. If you really want to get paid in this world, you want to be number one at whatever it is that you're doing, and it can be niche. That's the point it can literally be getting paid for just being, you know, at this point, some of the more successful people in the world are that way. Oprah gets paid for being Oprah. Joe Rogan gets paid for being Joe Rogan, and they're being authentic to themselves. So with this tweet is trying to say simultaneously is that you want to be number one. But you're going to keep changing what you do until you're number one. You can't just pick something arbitrary. You can't say I'm going to be the fastest runner in the world. And now you've got to beat the same bolt. That's too hard of a problem. But what you can do is you can keep changing what your objective is until it arrives to your specific knowledge. Your skill sets your position your capabilities your location your interests, and then converges to making you number one. So when you're searching for what to do, you actually have two different forci that you have to keep in mind at all points. And one of those is I want to be the best at what I do. And the second is what I do is flexible. So that I am the best at it until you arrive at a comfortable place where you're like, yes. This is something I can be amazing at while still being authentic to who. I am. And this is not going to be an overnight discovery. It's going to be a long journey. But at least, you know, how to think about it the most important thing for companies to find product market fit. I would say the most important thing for an entrepreneur is defined founder product market fit where you are naturally inclined to build the right product, which has a market, and that's three focused problem. Which is you gotta make all three of those work at once. If you want to be successful in life. You just have to get comfortable managing multi problems, multiple objective functions at once, and this is one of those cases where? You have to map at least two or three at once.

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Why Did Spotify Hire Joe Rogan?

The Podcast Domination Show | Grow your audience, make money and have fun doing it

07:57 min | 2 months ago

Why Did Spotify Hire Joe Rogan?

"In this episode. We discuss how spotify is hiring Joe Rogan and what that means for your podcasts. In a world where add costs are continually rising and prospects are getting more and more skeptical about who they can trust. How can you reach New People in a way that's authentic and effective for. A place where you can build trust as scale and convert skeptical prospects into raving fans and clients. Hey? My name is Luis Diaz in. You're listening to the Cath. PODCAST domination show the place for entrepreneurs and businesses that want to know how to build a podcast helps them grow their business. Get more clients and build their brands. I appreciate your time. Thanks for joining me. What is going on my friend? Welcome back. Welcome for the first time to the PODCAST Donald Show on this episode we go into what's has spotify bought now so? We're GONNA share going to talk about an article that actually had a client. Send me asking in a facebook Dan like. Did you see this and I was like no. What is this and the title of the? Linked in the show notes, so if you're on apple podcasts, you can swipe up and You can check out the article, but is basically a an article from VOX DOT com. The title is spotify. Hiring Joe Rogan. One of the world's most popular and controversial podcasters and this was published on May nineteenth. And by a guy named Peter Kaffa, so I'm just going to share a little bit about the article and my thoughts on it as to why they're doing this and what it means for people who love Eurogin, because I know a lot of pull up Joe Rogan, so I figured I'd share kind of my thoughts about it and obviously why they're doing it. And and What it means for other podcasts or so basically, spotify has been on this. Path last couple years to really take over the podcasting space and me. The number one leader in the space that right now is obviously apple, so apple podcasts is the. The behemoth in the Arena but spotify bench been you know really getting some ground on them lately, and this is their latest deal now they don't disclose how much they paid Joe Rogan her company for acquiring the show, but according to the article. There is talk that it's similar to. A recent deal they did to buy. The podcast called the ringer, which was a biscuit podcast by bill, Simmons and they paid one hundred, ninety million for that one plus another fifty million dollars in contracts for employees, so you can guess I would guess I mean according to the article. At least it's around there. I wouldn't be surprised honestly if it was more than that, but. Here's here's the deal. spotify is going to be buying up big bigger influencers podcasters in order to do just what they're doing here, which is taking all of his content and putting it only on spotify, so that you can only find Rogan's stuff on spotify. So, what does that do? If you're listening to to his show on Youtube or other places will pretty much going to be pissed because you have to now pretty soon, according this article, I believe the the. The contract starts may or September first yes. Oh, says the rogan quotes, Rogin will be. We'll start working for spotify on September one. in the company says it will move all of its archives, including videos of lengthy your lengthy videos to its platform in quote, so they're going to be moving all their stuff over to. spotify thrust of this year, and then you know according to this article basically by the end of this year it's going to be if you want Rogan GonNa, go spotify, so that's going to be a big deal for a lot of people who are listened to show and other places right? If thing about too if you are a podcast or and now all the people who were discovering Rogan and now. They're and also by default like maybe looking for other podcasts. People out people come into podcasting because they like a guy like Rogin, and then they started consumers content, and then they start to venture off and see. What else is there in this podcasting world for them to offer them the to find so these huge influencers are huge for podcasters. If you're an entrepreneur or a business owner who wants to grow a podcast who wants to sell products or get clients from their podcasts, these influencers are huge for us because they bring new people into the ecosystem. And without them being there, it's an issue. Let's not as it's not good right so. This is one probably of many other you'll see. spotify will acquire them, and it'll be interesting to see and I've heard Paul Culligan. Talk about this, so shout out to Paul. Who's always really big on the stuff, but it's interesting to see. It'll be interesting to see what apple does. What other platforms do? Are they going to start buying up the bigger media or other influencers to only exclusively create content on their platform? You know. How is apple going to? Respond to this so. Really interesting stuff if you're podcasts or what this means for you is that you have to make sure your podcast is on spotify because here's the deal. All of those people who love. Row Joe Rogan will go or most of them will go to spotify and guess what they are going to have an influx of traffic, so you better make sure your podcast as there. You better make sure you're promoting that link and you realize that. Now. spotify is going to be a bigger player in this because especially. If you're doing content anywhere related to Joe Rogan! It's going to be hard to find elsewhere. So. that's episode I. Just want to share this awesome article again. 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Joe Rogan signs exclusive deal with Spotify

podnews

03:04 min | 2 months ago

Joe Rogan signs exclusive deal with Spotify

"The latest from the news dot net with Stony Brook. University's podcast fellows learn podcasting with weekly classes in New York City the Hamptons and online in eight month program beginning in September apply. Podcast FELLOWS DOT com the Joe Rogan. Experience podcast is moving to spotify. I signed a multi year licensing agreement with spotify will start on September first it will become exclusive to spotify including the video version of the podcast. Joe Rogan announcing want. Something could be a two hundred million dollar deal to move the Joe Rogan experience. The biggest podcast in the world to spotify it'll remain free but it'll only on spotify even the video version which will leave youtube. Brogan made the announcement on Youtube. And it's been controversial as I record. This clip has twenty thousand likes but eighteen thousand dislikes spotify. Share price jumped nearly eight percent on the news. The Joe Rogan. Experience is three times as large. Is THE NEXT BIGGEST? Say Some research. Joe Rogan apparently has one hundred ninety million monthly downloads. Spotify two hundred eighty six million monthly users and Youtube where Rogan's show was also available. Can't two billion monthly users moving an existing open free show behind a proprietary wall says overcast Marco arment results in massive or loss by hope he at least leaves his public feed up? So he can return to it. When he spotify exclusivity fails Kevin Goldberg from discover pods notes that the move will quote anger many touting him an advocate for the intellectual dark web. Well we've a special edition of newsletter with lots more reaction and data to podcasting biggest. Ever deal you'll find it in our episode notes on newsletter or at Pot News Dot net. And here's what else. Here's what else you need tendered. Twenty-five percent of Australians. Listen to podcasts every month. According to new data from Edison research is infinite. Dial Australia the nominations for the British podcast awards have been revealed. Omni Studio has expanded. Its consumption analytics and comedy network forever. Dog have switched back to art nineteen Stony Brook. University's podcast fellows program begins. Its eight month. Training and Development Program in September. You can learn podcasting from the creators of his thing with Alec Baldwin Bloomberg News podcasts and TVD with Tina Brown classes in storytelling production. Marketing branding and more our weekly in New York City in the Hamptons as well as online you apply at podcast fellows dot com and that's the latest get unused at news dot net.

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Masvidal on Usman Altercation, Stephen A. Responds to Joe Rogan

Five Rounds with Brett Okamoto

1:31:35 hr | 6 months ago

Masvidal on Usman Altercation, Stephen A. Responds to Joe Rogan

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Hope you're doing well on this Wednesday afternoon. I'm in new. York City are beautiful seaport studios was and I am very excited about today's show. I can't wait I up. We're GONNA have in my opinion the face of ESPN. He's The star of. I take. Take the appears almost twenty four hours a day on this network jack-of-all-trades Tremendous Guy Mench has gone out of his way multiple times times. Since I got here around two years ago to make me feel welcome and comfortable offer. Great support great teammate. A great colleague. The one and only Stephen a Smith myth is going to be joining me on today's podcast. Yes Stephen himself and of course. He's been in the news as of late the stuff with Joe Rogan his commentary posts. UFC fifty to forty six m make community saying that he doesn't always talking about. He shouldn't be there all that stuff for more. We'll get his side of the story. We also find out what the story is is behind that video of him hitting myths. That whole video will get the story behind that one Because I know a lot of your curious about why he was hitting like that and why it came out when it did all all that stuff in more and so I really appreciate him doing this. Of course this week a horrible week for everyone involved with basketball and he was a good friend of Kobe Bryant He. He said On first take on Monday that he was with him on New Year's Eve and so I thought we booked him that maybe he would want postponed. But being the consummate pro that he is he said no way I gave you my word I will be there. And so in a matter of moments we will talk to Stephen Smith about that controversy if you will surrounding his into forty-six Commentary in the Joe Rogan stuff and The MMA community and and being sort of an outsider coming in and talking about MMA when you are so established and other sports. I'm really looking forward to that. We'll also be joined by New York Rick Who will offer some thoughts on the state of the heavyweight division after Curtis Blazes? It does win and where we go from here with steep Amiach and Daniel Cormet. Of course and Guinan Rosen strike fighting in March as well. So we'll get his thoughts on that also some a super super bowl weekend thoughts Because for the longest time superbowl weekend was a huge weekend for the UFC. Now there's no more events but like for fourteen fifteen straight years years. That was a marquee temple weekend for the UFC. So we'll get some thoughts and maybe even some thoughts on the late Great Cobra also checking with. TST Get the The minimalist tip of the week all that stuff in more coming up on today's program but before we get to New York. Rick let us get to the aforementioned Stephen a Smith a man who needs no introduction reduction in my opinion he is the face of ESPN and not just my opinion in many people's opinion he. He anchors this entire network. He is our leader here and he's been doing a tremendous job up for many many years on I taken whole bunch of other shows in a very busy guy. He's in Miami Right now for the Super Bowl so really kind of him to give us a few minutes of his time. Here on this Wednesday afternoon Stephen. Thank you so much for the time. I really appreciate it. Mop Blooding area how you doing. How's everything I'm doing great and and First off I just want to send my condolences to you. I know how hard of a week this has been. I know how close you were with Kobe. Bryant and and I know how probably mentally and emotionally and physically exhausted. You are right now so For you to give for some time on this week in particular really means a lot and I just want to say. I'm really sorry for for what happened. It's still hard to come to terms with at least for me and I don't even know him appreciate eight that man it's been a real rough week He was he was a good dude. He added things about him. No question but He was a great champion and he worked his tail off often. He was committed to excellence. And you know. His Post career was on the verge of being better than his playing career and he was really excited about that excited about his daughter And what potential was and the him to pass away was bad in another itself fit to be in a helicopter. Crashes just absolutely horrific considering the fact that you know he he. He was in a helicopter as much as we are in cars and But then for him to lose his thirteen daughters. Well it doesn't give much more tragic ratchet than that so Maha goes out to his family his wife his three remaining daughters and All the loved ones that he had out. This is pretty devastating. Hey it's hard to transition from that but we will we will do our best Obviously you have been in the news as far as MMA is concerned. And I'm wondering I mean you're no stranger to people reacting to the things that you say this is part of your job and I and I think that you do phenomenal job of that and you have assumed that responsibility but considering the the brief appearances that you made at UFC two forty six post fight on sports center on the post fight show. Were you surprised at all at the reaction to the things that you were saying And did say by the Ma community the fighters the fans everyone involved the media as well. Well I ultimately was surprised about what Joe Rogan had to say. I certainly wasn't surprised by what you know. Fans and critics have I mean. Listen I'm polarizing figure when I speak you're going to have people that would be an agree with to me. You'RE GONNA have people who don't personally speaking. I don't give a damn I say what I feel. I mean what I say and is based on what I witness and so for me when I'm you know to fight game like how I've been covering boxing. Mind Thai Korean and then following boxing. Since I was three years old there are people who agreed who disagree with me about triple G. versus Kamilo Alvarez. There's people disagree with me when we talk about the possibility of aerospace versus Terence Crawford. People disagreed with me in the past. Whether it was about Andre Ward vs Kovolev one or or something along those lines that Tori you understand that And and you go from from there As it pertains to the UFC. I'm certainly no AFICIONADO. I'll leave it up to you guys like Brett Okamoto and You know chill sewn in and Michael Biz and then you call me a and the host of people That I've had the honor and privilege to work with. I know that Yoga guys are The experts you guys are the ones that covered the sport religiously but to me I wasn't covering UFC when we're now that you've seen forty two forty six I wasn't covering the FC overall as sports. I was didn't talk about that fight. And I know what I'm watching and so for me To look at Conor McGregor to see three show strokes to the nose of cowboys to Rony. Obviously brokers those beat up it stays pretty well L.. And what have you Joe Rogan of the mindset. That Kinda McGregor show. I respectfully disagree number one. I don't believe there's so much you can show in forty thirty seconds in most instances number two Joe Rogan doesn't know I was speaking to a guy by the name of aerial. I'm talking to right now. Who kept reminding me leading up to the fight cowboys? Aronie doesn't show up and big events. The lights get brighter. He kinda shrinks even look after. That's the that's not what you kept telling me. That's exactly what ends up telling me leading up to that fight and so for me. I watched a fight and I'm like my God. All you got all was one. One was one kick which was blocked by Connor McGregor. And that's it. That's not gonNA cut it against new mega metal. That's not gonNA cut. It gets MAS VIDAL MY mentality. Is that when you're a champion or you're somebody that aspires to be the champion. Whoever the measuring stick is at that particular moment in time if someone? I'm fantasizing about you going up against and so to me. What we saw from Conor McGregor that night showed us nothing about about what he would potentially do in a rematch? Gets no mega metal. So to say something like that to me. It's not sacrilegious. It's not a crime against the sport or anything like that. As an observer and a reporter on pugilist exports this is what I saw at. UFC Two forty six if you can. And if you want to disagree with me the Great Joe Rogan. I respect that. I'm honored that you took into account my opinion. What he's done for the sport but take it to the point where it wasn't a good look for me to be there wasn't a good look the ESPN to be there? I thought that was beyond the Pale and I thought that was excessive and unnecessary. Necessarily I certainly have profound respect him what he means to the UFC and MMA sports What his cachet brings Who He is and I have profound respect for him and he was incredibly nice to me and all of that stuff and I will continue to be respectful and very nice to him? I harbored no animosity. Or whatever ever I just thought to disagree with me as what would be one thing but to act like. I didn't even belong at the event because I have an opinion that different from yours. I thought that was a extremely unfair. So it seems like the part that has drawn the ire of Joe Rogan and the immigrant community. Is this idea that that cowboy quit This idea that you can't talk about fighters in that light like you could talk about you. Know the Spurs not showing up or the chiefs not showing up but fighters are different different. Because of what they're doing and what they're putting on the line. Do you agree with that sentiment or do you feel like you can talk about fighters that way that it's all fair game. It's sports at the end of the day and In your opinion it's no different than the Lakers the cowboys etc a mixture of both. I think that I listen. I would say the same thing in all likelihood if if I was in Joe Rogan's position because especially when you're talking about fighters who have far more coverage than you and I would ever have in terms of getting that octagon or to squared circle. The box walks and then going out there putting their lives on the line literally putting their lives on line. You certainly don't don't you. You you at the very least you need to be extremely reluctant. Did to go that route but look at how. I'm looking at their area. I'm watching the fight right. And I saw conor McGregor come out out and he didn't pull a Mazda dollar and trump and trying to throw a you know you know just come out and try to need a guy on the job but he threw a haymaker to start. He missed him him with the punch. But I believe it was the left by sort of court. SIRONI and fix okay. That's fine then after that you're clutching using the show a hit him in the nose three times if you recall there's a little break where to Rooney steps away and I'm saying and you've got about forty nine fifty fights on your resume you're experienced enough and you want enough fight to know how to step back gathering yourself and that Oh if they give me a few seconds to get away from this onslaught and then I can get back into it. None of that happened. CONOR McGregor comes right back at you. You throw a little side kick. It gets black. It's gets blocked and then connor catches you would've kick and ultimately takes you down all. I'm trying to say that all of this happened. An insider twenty seconds remember the punches that ultimately finished the fight took up an additional fifteen to twenty seconds. Everything else happened in the first twenty minutes and my attitude is with a guy bad experienced you could find a way to survive. You might disagree. Would that point saying Stephen. It happened but my personal opinion is unless you get caught with A. Hey you're not cyclic. Or something along those lines. If you had the wherewithal a gathering yourself for a few seconds. You should've had the ability to laugh a little bit longer. That's my personal opinion and it also emanates from the fact that Eh Cowboys Aronie had been knocked out two previous fights. He had not to mention the fact that again when the bright lights arrive. He doesn't have the greatest greatest reputation. All of those things lent itself towards me believe in the guy appeared in over his head. The moment appear too big for him and he couldn't handle it now that saying quitting. Maybe that were quit is apropos but I think it is apropos. To say he clearly appeared way the in over his head there's levels to it and he did not appear to be on it. I don't think it's criminal to say that. So in the midst of this on Saturday night Conor McGregor popped opt up on twitter and noted that Surani broke his nose and his Orbital bone by those strikes and told you to apologize asked you to apologize. College is what did you make of it. Yeah why not I did and I did it and I'm not because I met and not only that profound respect respect for Conor McGregor love the guy. He's phenomenal for the sport I couldn't be more ecstatic. That he would because I think he's been number one. Attraction is the sport a matter of fact. I'm somebody that if you recall when you and I spoke in the aftermath of the mega metal fights even though he clearly got beat. If you recall all area I was telling you I could. I gotTa give credit where credit is to. He stepped away from the sport. He engaged in the next match against mayweather that he comes back. And who does he fight. He fights this undefeated monster mega medal and he survived until the fourth round remember he was getting slaughtered in the second round for. Look that way. Because no mega medicines on top off of him you know trying to take him out strikes what have you and Kinda found a way to survive. So what I'm saying him. He'll tell me to apologize. If you're telling me you to apologize for using the word quit or whatever fine. That's no problem but don't tell me that the guy was in over his head. Don't tell me the guy that looked like the bright lights were just too big and too great form. Don't tell me that the luminated on him so much that he did seem to be able to handle the pressure of the moment at apologize. The for that Conor McGregor as far as I'm concerned despite four losses on his resume is elite and one of the biggest reasons he is elite even even though he's tapped out a couple of times so this is this reality. He's showed up. He shows up for the big event and the big event never seem to be too much fan Conor McGregor. It's not going to be somebody that goes out there and beach himself. You WanNa beat him. You'RE GONNA have to literally do that. beat him and I don't think conor McGregor asked me he to apologize because of what I said I think conor McGregor asked me to apologize because of how Joe Rogan reacted to it. Because like Joe Rogan Conor McGregor. It was protecting the sport what they need to come to the realization of is this. I am not you guys. I don't pretend to be the AFICIONADO that you guys are you. Recall call my musket with my hit with Joe Rogan. When he said what he said I literally said I respect that coming from you and I will defer to your knowledge? I actually actually said that on the air. I'm not I'm new to this. I'm not pretending to be some MMA aficionado. But I do know fighting. I do know what what I'm watching and I am entitled based on my twenty five years as a journalist in this business to the spouse of point of view based on what I saw and I'm not gonNA Apologize One bit. I think that they're protecting the sport but I got news for them. I protect sport too because I love it and I've been blessed less than fortunate that when I'm a part of something people usually watch and contribute in a positive way to uplifting the sports I wanNA UPLIFT I WANNA help in my small way to uplift not just the sport but God like you Joe Rogan and everybody else who cover it fighters like Conor McGregor. Who Participate in and I am a fan? I'm going to be here for a long long time. Personal friends with Dana White. Who I think is sensational and I feel that what I feel the way I feel and if I feel differently than somebody they're gonNA have to get over it because that's how I feel and I shot about saying what I feel because it happens to be my job? I will not apologize and I will not backtrack from opposition. And I don't care what Kinda McGregor for Joe Rogan says. Although I profoundly respect both we will just have to respectfully disagree on what we saw so you just mentioned. I'm new to this. However Josh Gross? WHO's a veteran importer? Now works for the athletic used to work for ESPN sports so straighted tweeted a couple of days ago. I haven't paid attention to this conversation but I want to note that Stephen a Smith covered. UFC forty one in February of two thousand and three in Atlantic City city. When Tim Sylvia? Stop Rico Rodriguez. He and I were the only reporters in Sylvia's raw locker room after that fight so for whatever it's worth Smith has been covering enemy for years that that was his quote. Is that true. Did you cover. UFC forty-one in two thousand three. And if so I would suggest that you are not new to this. Well no I was I was I was in attendance but a lot of times I would show up to watch it because I enjoyed it and one of the things. I'll I'll share with you a conversation that I had with Mas Vidal earlier that morning before fight night of UFC. Two forty six. I was talking about you know. They're talking about striking talking about you. Know Cocoa's they're talking about about more tired and all of this other stuff and I listening to something in America. They loved the box that when you talk about the UFC you appreciate all those other of elements to the fight. Game that you see in Europe seeing that you would never see in in boxing but understand that Americans are dipped in the knockout when it comes from pugilist export so when I look at Kana McGregor it's not just his bravado and his mouth that brings him whole Even the fact that he wins if Conor McGregor was choking people out of Conor McGregor was wrestling and he was forced to folks to tap out he would it be as popular as he is. Kinda Greg was popular. Because he's a knockout artist. We talk about Mazda Dahlan. Him potentially being the heir apparent to Conor McGregor in terms of being the face of the sport the most popular guy in the sport primarily. It's going to be because of his knockout ability. The fact that he can finish off where this this would've punch or a need. The reality is that that's what Americans primarily are addicted to so FA MI I've gone to several events over with the years and I wasn't even working but because I was there. ESPN or somebody else will put a camera in my face and asked me what I felt about what I watch and might've been what the guy from the athletic was talking about because I haven't covered with so many u s the event. I was sitting in our said ringside. When conor McGregor felt felt Alvarez? I was sitting ringside when Dan you call me to do with the fourth. Do with the The lifetime contract Popeye's chicken and all of this stuff I they ring size but I didn't have to work those fights. I was just an attendant because I want to support you guys and I want to support uplift in the sport because I think combatants of worthy of attention I the more shine you bring them the more attention you bring up the mortar sport will be popularized the more money there is in it for put them for the sport itself and for those lights you Joe Rogan and others who cover it. I'm not trying to be a detriment to anybody. I'm not trying to steal anybody's Sean. As you well know I got enough job. Yeah I get enough time okay. So I'm fine. I just want to support a growing sport that I think is worthy worthy of our attention and alkalies and that's all I was trying to do and that's what I'm going to continue to try to do in anytime. ESPN wants to be on it. I'm happy and if they don't want me on Ed won't lose any sleep over it see. I don't like this because I know that you're a big fan because every time I'm here at the seaport studios you come up to me. You don't just talk me about McGregor. You Mention Shen Junior dos Santos and Francis and gone to and Mas Vidal. I know that you like and respect the sport very much much like you like and respect basketball football baseball at CETERA. I I wanna ask you about something. Joe Rogan said which I think at the end of the day why. This isn't good for us as as MMA phantom may community we come across as fans fans of that band that was playing dive bars for years and now finally made it and they're headlining MSG and we're not. We don't want anyone to attend that that show. We don't want anyone to to support them because we were there. I we don't want anyone else in there and that's a bad look. That's not the martial arts way we have to be inclusive not exclusive and. He said this which I want to ask you about. I just think at this sport demands more appreciation more respect and it demands a higher level of reverence to the athletes who literally put their lives on the line. I agree with that. The athletes do put their lives on the line. But let's not be condescending towards other athletes. They put a lot on the line to Kobe. Bryant walked to the foul line with a ruptured Achilles. That's a fighter right there. I respect that man for doing that. And so to suggest that you don't respect fighters Donlevatar doesn't respect fighters just because you are critical of them or the sport which has a lot of wards by the way it's not a perfect sport to me is is is condescending at times and it's disingenuous and that's what I don't like we need to allow other opinions. That's that's a byproduct of the sport growing right of evolving and being mainstream. I completely agree with you but at the same time. Here's where Joe Rogan is going to lose. He's going to lose if he thinks for one. Second there's GonNa ever be a disrespectful word out of my mouth about him it's not gonNA happen. I respect the hell out of them. I respect what he means to the sport. If if we were together right now talking give me five minutes with him and he's probably start laughing and just having a good time. There's no hard feelings. He's protective of the sport. Here's what I think he's missing. And this is what people don't recognize about me. I was a reporter for the Philadelphia Inquirer got promoted numerous times and ultimately became a columnist. I didn't know hockey Ariel okay but I still was sent to game seven of the Rangers in the Stanley Cup finals. Okay because it was part one of my job to cover the story you can cover stories. You can cover up moments without being an aficionado on Experti- onto onto sport if you asked me to get into the nuances of 'em martial arts UFC. I would look I would look at it a carrot and I would say you the era of the wanting. Do you know Joe Rogan. Do you know bread Akimoto. DOTY's dotes them. Then you caught me ringside together together. Talking about one of the fight. He went first and he broke out cracked up laughing. And you can ask them because I turn to the camera and I said I'm going to go what he's it says and everybody started laughing because it's my way of making sure that they recognized. Yeah I'm Steven. Yes bring a level of cachet to the table in the world of sports. What's broadcast and because I covered football basketball obviously with a level of expertise of the sports as well and of course boxing which I've been again watching since I was three years old and uncovered covered Olympic boxing in Australia? The Sydney Olympics decindio Australia Olympics of two thousand covered box again in Athens Greece two thousand four Olympic boxing not to mention numerous spikes. You understand but my point to you is is that regardless of what I know. I'm honest about what what I don't know and even if I did notice that you have seen even if I became an expert with the U. F. C. which as much as I'm watching it these days I'm rapidly. You know getting my feet under me for what have you. I'm never going to take anything away from those like you. Guys who help uplift to sports awards and keep it afloat and alive bringing to the mind an odd of us all before. ESPN grabbed a hold of it and is now trying trying to take it to another level. I don't want to be seen as somebody that you listen to. Instead of. Joe Rogan. I WANNA be somebody body that piggybacks off a roof piggybacks off of Joe Rogan. And says. Hey did you hear what this guy says. Did you hear what I real- Said did you hear what all of these people. Because that's how you uplift the sport I love you guys. I respect the hell out of you guys and I appreciate the fact from a professional perspective we All have that in common. My only regret is that at least for the moment. Joe Rogan did not seem to appreciate the fact that I have my own accomplishments in this industry and just because I showed up the comment about a fight and I disagreed with him. Doesn't Aratu Kate all that. I've accomplished because you disagreed with me. All of that wasn't necessarily and that's all I'm saying I have no hard feelings against him. He's a great guy a great great man he's great for the US. The and I'm honored to have been ringside with him and I really hope that I'll get an opportunity to do that in the future. All all you guys you saw how happy I was just to be talking with you Michael Biz Bing and entails stone in these guys they know how feel about them Rashad Evans one time when I did. USC I have been at Barclays Center at the Barclay Center in Brooklyn I was honored to be the alongside him. I've known John Bones Jones a little busy years. We text each other back and forth from time on the time and Anderson Silva Fan. And what have you a wideman. I met him. He came off. I take on several occasions. You know. Chuck Chuck speaks for itself. Matt us back in the day they used to come on my shows and everything like that. I've been fans for a while so I'm not going anywhere and I'm GonNa love the sport and I would ask people to appreciate the fact that somebody in the mainstream loves sport enough to keep the eyes and the attention or in the sports so everybody could prosper. Let's just put on a big boy pants and understand that a movement Can Ask one last question. I know you're up against the clock but right after all of this came out. This video of you Hitting mitts emerged people. People think that you posted the video to show your street cred but that isn't the case. Could you just just tells the the genesis of this video and the story behind it. Because they're using this as fuel to the fire that you don't know what you're talking about well first of all. They could say whatever they want. They're entitled the video was horrific and certainly I didn't put it out there. What happened was that I tore my rotator cuff last July three days before the the surgery I was working out? You know I was. I was sitting there and doing my cardio and all of that stuff. But I wasn't doing anything and silly me. The the trainer was there with me and I said can I put on some boxing gloves and he was like listen. You don't need to be throwing any punches which shows that one torn rotator cuff. You got some scar scar tissue in the of you'll need do anything I said I just WanNa put it on the. I said I'm going to get surgery. Anyway whatever he said all right doing do me a favor and try to throw some up like it's just don't do anything else because you rack up to show the the more just trying to sum up because it was a ninety minute workout. I'm used to six eight punch combinations. Were far more speed than that. But the bottom line is is that I was messed had jacked up. Show this I did not know it was being taped and I certainly did not know it would be posted. It was a private workout and for some reason he put that damn thing out seven eight months ago. Needless to say he won't be working with me any longer. But the point that I'm trying to make is that is certainly wasn't me at my best or anything like that but again that's fine. I'm a grown man. The bottom line is the video. Oh is what it was. which is an atrocious display of any kind of boxing or whatever actually laughed about it with Teddy Atlas? said there's a blessing and everything he said. And what would would that blessing be. I said the minute overcome this rotator cuff. Because I'm now seven months with move from surgery but it's GONNA be about another three months before one hundred percent one of the first things I'm going to is get into the gym. What a real boxing trainer like yourself ten so I will be coming to your gym for you to show me what I should do? Because when I'm fighting I usually don't throw uppercuts I'm Tommy Hitman. HEARNS Kinda Guy. I like my right hand. I like staying on the outside using My Gen. My right hand not trying to decide on some damn public. Well my tall slim cell but nevertheless it was an riddick display was never meant for public consumption. That should have never been put out there but it was and when you sit in my I chair bottom line is that I have to be judgmental and critical of what people do. Every single date in the world is sports. Who Am I to bitch and Moan about somebody taking an opportunity to get at me when I'm perceived as somebody who gets that something? Every day a matter of fact the one thing I loved about it is my willingness on this show. I can take it why because when I come at you for whatever reason you ain't gonna be able to say these TV. You couldn't take it when we came at you. I'm a big big boy. I can take it to video was atrocious. It wasn't met with public consumption. It was done with Jack up shoulders. I should never throwing a punch to begin with a right. I had surgery surgery three days later. It is what it is. And you're the man Stephen a I just want to say I really appreciate this and you know I. I guess I get a little defensive offensive when I see the community my community coming after you and you don't need me to defend your honor at all but I remember when I first met you may with McGregor. You knew who I was them at the White House before why work for ESPN. And as I said on twitter when that story came out about you in I believe G. Q.. You have gone out of your way to always give me props to to comment on my work. You don't have to do that. You can walk right by me. And that's totally understandable. And you've done that in his meant the world to me so I will always have your back even though you don't need me to have your back and I hope that you continue to cover the the events and I hope to see you there and continue to critique and say whatever you want to say because you have earned that right my man so thank you so much for the time. Go look out there in Miami. Keep up the great work as always wasn't I hope to see you again. I appreciate it but let me just say a couple of things number one. I think you do a great job and I'm proud to call your friend and a colleague number two. You teach me about the sport every single day and all of you do because there's not one single person that I've run across associated with UFC. That hasn't gone out of their way a to show me things. Anything I asked Michael Visiting I asked me shot Evans. I asked chill sewn in and all these guys are just loaded with knowledge even bread Akimoto Mojo. Every time I go up to any y'all y'all never hesitate to tell me when I don't know the show me on the answer any questions that I may have and as it pertains to the sport. I'm just going to remind everybody of one thing. One thing that I approve throughout my career is to be an asset. I aspire to be an asset for UFC's coverage. I don't aspire to replace anybody I don't aspire to be somebody that's looked upon on is. Oh I'm better than this guy has got I got. I love the sport and I want to do what I can help. Joe Rogan to help Dana White to help area wanted to help everybody up lifted sport so we can all benefit and we can all prosper unlike boxes. That's ran by promoters the motives. You've got a guy over in the sport in Dana White if nothing else who is great about giving us the fights we want to see when we want to see see them instead of making us wait years and years and years for it. I'm incredibly grateful to that. I wish that he had such a profound impact that he was overseeing boxes. Kid A friend. I am going to help him. I'm going to help you. I'm going to help the UFC in any. I can't and that includes being an asset in any small ways that I can to Joe Royle his live respected for years. If anybody is looking for me to get into something with him they they have come to the wrong place. It's unfortunate that he said what he said but I didn't lose any sleep over it. It didn't change my day. Ain't GonNa Change night and the damn show income change my career. I'm going to be around and I'M GONNA be around with my hand out willing able to ready to provide in kind of smaller systems. This is that I can to help. ESPN you have seen. And everybody involved uplift sport in any way that I possibly can. And that's really all I have to. We say Amen Thank you Steven. I really appreciate it take all right. Now let's move along. That was tremendous stuff from Stephen Woulda. What a pleasure and I am? I'm being honest when I say he has really gone out of his way to make me feel welcome in to encourage me and that's why I think the criticism and this whole back and forth about his his analysis of that fight and about his place in the sport and whether he should be on the broadcast. I mean first of all who are we to say you know who should be on. ESPN I think there are very capable. People who who decide those things but it is interesting and it's it's really extended far beyond UFC. Two forty six and so with that in mind let us bring in our old friend year correct to talk a little more about this and some other stuff as well near Creek are you. I'm doing well. How are you my friend? I'm doing great Interesting time gotta off week. So that's that's always nice But then there's an event. I think from February to April April every single weekend. But I just wanted to ask you before we put all this stuff to bed. How do you feel because I've weighed in on this a couple of times on on different shows and not necessarily the Stephen a Smith versus Joe Rogan thing but I always get the impression that MMA fans and the community they don't even listen to what the quote unquote outsiders have to say? They are so so the -fensive when it comes to the sport and they're so protective of it and they really do. Remind me of the fan of that band who doesn't want the band to become mainstream and I feel it's often such a bad look whenever this happens. Like how dare you talk about sports and look no different. I guess when I show up on a basketball broadcast I get some people. Say like what. What the Hell do you know about basketball? So there's always going to be that process where people are going to have to believe that you know what you're talking about but every time we you have to go through this every time that's just a byproduct of the sport becoming popular right. Why does it have to be this way every time? I think it's a human nature thing. I think. There's a reluctance for change. I think there's also a bit of a of an attitude of wanting people who are vetted and who they know have expertise this to be kind of elevated into those positions versus somebody who was already a mainstream person coming over and essentially I feel like they feel like they're coopting What's going on that may world when in reality Stephen a Smith's presence is something that lets everybody know that. MMA has arrived the fact that he is talking the sport the fact that he's lending his voice to talk about storylines in this sport is important as an important step forward. I would argue that many of the same fans. That kind of have ABC complaints are the same fans that are complaining when Mas Ni is only number two on sportscenter. Or why doesn't this outlet or the white isn't this particular moment moment attention so you can't really have it both ways. If you want the mainstream attention for the sport it comes with this and naturally Stephen is a great voice for that so I have no complaints. I I do know that this is a personal preference thing for me on all four additional voices additional opinions at different additional opportunities because quite quite frankly like there really aren't that many voices in MMA. I'm kind of getting tired of the same voices and by the way. Is that a shot at me. I was just wondering if you were saying that I was one of those voices. No it is not a shot at uni where anybody else but I'm all for variety. Sure sure and by the way for the record this isn't an ESPN thing like we're not being pinches. And by the way for for anyone to say that I'm ESPN. Show what I would say in return is your hundred percent right. I'm very proud to work for. ESPN I love working for ESPN. This is an absolute honor and a dream. Come come true so if you WANNA call me an ESPN show. That's totally fine by me. I will live with that and I'm actually proud to be an ESPN chill. If you WANNA say that I am. I am one but I was excited when Gus Johnson started calling 'em fights for for CBS and showtime. I thought that was awesome. I love Gus Johnson back in the day like that was really cool to me. Now you know these these things happen in a May. I kinda knew what he was saying. But he's been vilified for them and kind of run out of town. I just think that we need to be a little more receptive. And it's okay like just because something may not be in someone's quote unquote wheelhouse doesn't mean they can't learn doesn't mean they can't be appreciate I know lebatardshow loves. MMA respects specs MMA respects. The fighters has Mazal in studio. I know Stephen Loves and respects the fighters just because they've never fought before. Guess what I never fought four. Guess what Deroga- never fought before I knew he trains. He's very qualified. He deserves to be there. He's one of the biggest stars in the sport period regardless of if he's a fighter or not but it doesn't matter heard like just because these people aren't saying what you want them to say it doesn't mean that they don't belong there it doesn't mean that they don't have a right to their opinion because that's what makes sports fun. Everyone has a say you want it to just be underground forever. That's no fun. No one wants that. How cool is it that after McGregor's fight it's leading off sportscenter in in the midst of Conference Championship weekend? That's a big deal. That's what we've all wanted right. We all wanted that. no-one didn't want that and guess who really wants that. The fighters really want that because the more popular sport forgets the more money. They make the more famous they get. This is a big deal when I see where he must win on radio row in Miami super that actually warms my heart good for horry. Hey Muslims that's great you only on checks. They're good for her. That's great. We need more of that. Not less of that sub trying to run everyone out of town. Stop trying to intimidate everyone. That's not the martial art way. Hey that's not the Bushido way inclusive. Not Exclusive enough yet and I think Lebatardshow and Stugatz yesterday made a great point which is being the first fan of something. Doesn't mean that you're the only fan of something doesn't mean that you're the most passionate fan of something I think there's room in the sandbox for everybody But I also understand. That criticism is part of that. And I think Stephen a Smith is willing to accept that he's willing to accept that. Hey I'm not the expert so I'm leaning on experts. I'm trying to get that knowledge and I'm going to get myself more educated on it until then I think there's going to be resistance to it but hopefully disccan in This can all be handled. You know nicely. By the emanate community. I have faith faith in the community. One last thing on all this. How do you feel I remember back in the day? Going on the U. G. and there was a there was no fighter bashing right we hold fighters To the highest regard right. They are larger than life. I have always said that. I have so much respect for the fighters they possess the that I can't even dream of possessing. They have the utmost courage going into the cage fighting putting their lives on the line their health and safety on the line. It's incredible what they do. I Love Them. I love coming this. Because of the fighters not so much the fights themselves but because of the fighters and who they are and what they represent but this idea that you can't be critical of fighters right if if they have an off night if they don't quote unquote show up and all that stuff to me is a little funky like why just because they're doing something that's incredibly dangerous. Just because they're doing something takes a lot of courage doesn't mean that they may not be open to criticism a fighter. I've I've seen this. I've heard this like some fighters don't train for fights some fighters drink before their fights. Remember the guy who headlined forty-six he said it himself like fighters can be open to criticism. Vendors can be subjected to that type of rhetoric. Why is is it that if you are critical of fighter you're labeled as someone who disrespects the sport who doesn't have the utmost respect providers that to me isn't right as well like we should be able well to? That's just part of the GIG that they should be tough enough to accept that sort of Christian now it has to be respectful. Of course. You can't just go that dude's a bomb and you know he can't hold my my jockstrap. I get that but Steven wasn't saying that. Yeah I think I think there's nuance that conversation. Obviously if the analysis is is what's Criticized right or rather if analysis of the performances. What's being done if we're looking at technicalities and things like that? I think that's fair. Game like it would be in any other sport but I think some of the resistance for that comes from a place of if you're going to analyze this sport you need to have some level of knowledge and I think there's people out there who are questioning the level of knowledge. I think that's where it comes from. That said if it's not a technical breakdown if it's not XS and Os as if it's not that nuance knowledge that you need to have. I'm from years of expertise I think it's a fair criticism. And and if we're GONNA talk about Stephen a Smith's analysis in particular. I really didn't have much of a problem with it and I don't. I think that it was fighter bashing as much as his viewpoint of the fight and now I think he himself will be open to a debate on that. I think he'd be open to debate the cowboys to say. Hey this is what really happened in the fight. He's trying to learn. And I and I think it's fair game for somebody to analyze the on on a technical basis. All right now. Let's move along to the heavyweight division. This past Saturday curtis played picked up a big win over junior Santos and now people are starting to say all right. What's going on with Steep A? He should be stripped he. isn't fighting enough. He hasn't been active. They should institute an interim title. All this stuff for more. How would you handled the heavyweight division right now with these see breathing down his neck? You've got Blades out there. Doing his things three in a row looked very good. You've got Rosen. Strike in God fighting March twenty eighth on. ESPN plus. What do you do the with the division right now? Are we assuming that is going to be out for an extended period. Did Okay so then let me so. Let me clarify. Maybe a little bit more. Let me weigh in and then you can respond to what I'M GONNA. CPO Church last fought five months months ago. Can we all just chill out a little bit. What what what does all this talk of stripping him and all this talk of internal titles and all this stuff? Dana Cormier deserves to be them. What contender and and that's the fight to make? I think we're the frustration is coming. It's coming from the fact that he is not being clear with his time line and be his intentions. So it's time line seems a little bit up in the air. Like is he coming back in July coming back in May is he coming back in August. Is he coming back in September. We don't know and also when he speaks speaks or when his management speaks. They're not saying look. Our vision is is paramount. It's the most important thing but when we come back make no mistake about it. We're fighting reading Daniel Cormier. We are going to retire. The trilogy fight is what we want because deep down inside of there being honest the trilogy fight gets them the most amount of money. That's the biggest fight out there of all the possibilities abilities. That's the biggest fight out there and so I think that that's why. DC's getting anxious. I think that's why the fans are getting a little annoyed and say hey strip interim title et Cetera et Cetera. But at at the end the day it's only been five months so I believe in the idea of if you don't fight within twelve months or if you don't have a fi booked within twelve months as champion then you can get stripped or the interim title comes into play but it's only been five. We need to give them a little more time. If it becomes uh-huh clear by July August that he's not coming back and has no plans of fighting now we could start talking about getting strip but this seems a little premature does not it seems premature. But if you're asking me WHO's next for the title. It's hard to gauge right. Like what is that title to me. I would like to see. I would like to see he steep. AFDC be the fight. But it's hard to argue that curtis blades or Francis in Ghana with a win or Roosen stroke with a wind isn't a worthy challenger under My will that's the fight to me. I mean it's a way bigger fight first of all. How many times can you get someone fighting a retirement fight for the belt especially someone as accomplish where it's not a token little situation like a Dan Henderson fighting Michael being when it was clear he really didn't deserve that? Like how could you even consider anything else. And what do you okay. I'll ask you return to that. What what would you do? With those fighters a winner of in Ghana and Rosen Strike and Curtis leads what do you do with those two fighters. Okay so if Ghana wins right. And that's March twenty eighth so it's in. I guess two months from yesterday yet. Today is the twenty ninth. If Ghana wins I say just let him chill for a second. Because we're we're hopeful that Mitch Cormier three will happen July or so July August. That's what we're hoping band least as of right now. And we've been told not much but that's the hope and that's the hope that DC has because then he's GonNa really start to get anxious and lose patients. So if ain't GonNa Winston let him chill if Rosen strike wins then I would do rosen strike versus blades because remember and gun. WHO's to know against blades? So the idea like I liked that fight. Now they're in a much different in spot them the last two times they fought but the ask a guy to fight a guy. A third time that he'd be twice seems like a lot. It's only happened a couple of times before and it just seems seems like a lot. So that's what I would do. Just wait and see if in Ghana wins. Let him chill. If Rosen strike wins. Let them have a blades. And that'll be the number one contender fight in the winner will fight The the winner of Korean. If it's who wins. And he vacates the title fight will be for the vacant title and that that sounds clean and neat. But it's all predicated on the idea of a summer fight between me and the ot which at this moment is not looking likely. I don't think that's fair. Not Looking likely or maybe we just don't know his status. We don't know we don't know his status every time. There's been any talk of Stephen Roach. It's been need to hear my eye and no timetable for return. It's also it's also been Tyson fury right to look at other people which that's the part that kind of gets under my skin like I'm saying everyone it's to get off his back like just give the guy some time but I feel like he needs to be a little more clear and that's when it starts to come across as all right is milking this is he trying to give. DC taste of his own medicine. You remember this time last year we were talking about the exact same scenario accept. DC was the champion and steep. It was the one breathing down his neck and now the tables turn and it's like all right come on did we forget the fact that DC also was coming off back surgery. The same thing I said last year give the guy time the same thing I'm saying. Now give the guy time but the difference is last year the UFC was trying to book the Brock Fight DC was in chasing it. They brought it to him and then of course he said yes this time they they want to book the trilogy. So just do the trilogy like why why are we. Why are we ignoring the fact that that's the biggest fight out there for you? Why are you even considering these other guys when I and it's very clear that a fighting's blades or rematch against guy? New or fight against Rosen strike or anyone in MMA is nowhere near as big as a Cormie trilogy fight for you no it see. It seems like games the you know either either a political angle or get trying to give dc a taste of his own medicine. But at the same time time if you're Francis in Ghana and you waited all this time to finally get a match up with Yahya Roses Strike and then you beat him and now you have to wait again while l. d. c. m. Yokich resolve their issue. Who you know who knows when maybe it's the summer maybe it's not It puts you in a position. If you're if you're somebody like Francis Gano you're you're getting the short end of the stick. And it's not his fault so I understand the urgency of the heavyweight division. I understand the urgency of the people who feel like they've staked you know. They've made their claim for a title. Shot I definitely agree that I don't I don't WanNa see Francis in Ghana versus Curtis Blades again. So again I think it's steep which is the linchpin go all of this and we don't have any clarity no super bowl weekend card. This used to be a staple of the Seattle right favorite super bowl weekend moment I have three two of them are special and favorite and feel good and one of them is not favorite but significant. Unimportant important the first one being BJ Penn defeating Matt Hughes To win the welterweight strap that was you know one of the defining moments of my MMA fandom another defining moment a moment that card was sick gop made his debut on that card is US's debut Lee Murray had his only U. OF C. Appearance. It's tour Belfer. Renting tour ended on Mona Sleep. But that was a great card that was a UFC forty six. Imagine a card like that. Now with all those names juicy on the prelims the debut against comparision the legendary yes Another very important super bowl weekend. Memory for me was UFC 126 in addition to the Anderson Silva Kick on Vitor Belfort which is legendary in and has gone down in history as one of the best knockouts ever. It is also the card where John Jones defeated Ryan Bater and after the fight they let John Jones no I think he knew. Obviously that Rashad is injured but they let John Jones. No that were shot would not be fighting. Show Gun at UC one twenty eight and it would instead be John Jones getting his title opportunity and at the time I had tickets to that fight card even though so John Jones had not be had not been put into that fight yet I was. I was excited about rickshaw versus Shogun and it turned into John Jones the coronation of John Jones so so that was a very significant day. Even the fight didn't happen on that date. The announcement of John Jones being a title contender happen on that date and then the last one unfortunately only was DSP defeating Bj Pad UFC ninety four which is a favorite memory of a mind but it was significant. It was a super fight at the time when super fights rare. Can I tell you a story. I don't know if I've ever shared this story how I feel like I am in some respects largely responsible for the Rashad Evans. John Jones fight have told the story about how that fight could have never happened. Had we not made a decision decision that I ever tell you this story. I think the people need to hear it. Okay so after that fight against Ryan Bater. UFC One twenty. Six Jones wins. It gets down on his knees. He's going to get the title shot. Is this huge. He's fighting show gun. He's young all that stuff. Everyone starts to think all right. Well what's GonNa Happen between him and Rashad right their teammates Jackson wink Are they gonNA fight each other. Is this going to separate them. It's going to be too much drama all that stuff a couple of weeks after that I was working for versus at the time versus the television network. which is now? NBC and We were doing pre and post. I chose for the events. Because you'll you'll remember towards the tail end of their deal. They had I think around four three or four. You have Stevens a year in addition to WC and then once the WC when away then they just had a couple of years of just you have see events you know they had some they had Jones might Chanko and they had DC. Dominick Cruz. Chris lytle against Dan Hardy etc.. So they sent me to Albuquerque Rickie to interview John Jones. We interviewed him in the middle of the cage. And we were GONNA air five or so minutes of this interview during the pre-fight show of the Marne Kampman Diego Sanchez card. In Lexington Kentucky were it was yeah like Kentucky. The Center Lexington Kentucky Louisville Louisville Cmih Louisville Kentucky So we so so I do the interview right and in the interview. I asked John Jones if you win the belt. Would you fight Rashad Evans. And for the first time. Ever because Rashaad said he wouldn't fight John and up until that point. John said he wouldn't fight Reshad. John says yes I would fiber shot and in my mind. I'm like holy crap. This is nuts. He actually said he would fight him. This is going to be insane. It's GonNa be massive news. What a big scoop et Cetera et CETERA? So all right but the piece is really coming out several weeks later the night before the prefight show were in Louisville were having a production meeting and and they say okay at this point. You know you're you're you're interview. John Jones is GonNa five minute version the interview and so I say by the way what. What topics did you guys choose for the piece? The five minute piece the this that this that this that and then I said wait a second. Did you not put in the Rashad Evans part. No we didn't really think that that was a big deal and I'm like what you don't you don't think that's a big deal. That's the biggest deal of the mall. Now this happens you know speaking of what we were just talking about. Newer fans knew where people they don't really know the sport of like big no-no guys. That is massive news gigantic news. That is seismic news that you have to include that in the piece and this is twenty four hours before they said there's no time this we we can include it. We can't have An edit session recant book editor or something something. I don't know we can't do it. I was like Oh my God. This is crazy this is going to be like one of the most important moments in MMA history and it's never gonNa see the light of day and so what we ended up deciding on was the peace with air. I would come back on camera and then I would say oh and by by the way and then I would toss to that moment tosses like tv term. Like I would say oh. Check this out so we ended up doing that. We ended up playing. The piece had nothing to do with Rashad. I come back on camera sitting at the desk. By the way with with Molly Kerem I believe now is the host of first. And then I throw to the shot Evans portion of the conversation and then of course what happens is afterwards it leads to the you know the dissolving of their relationship. John Beats Show Gun. I actually interviewed. Rashad you can still see the interview on Youtube. A tube right now seconds after that flight cage side and he's like man I'm done with Jackson's remember that he said I'm done with Jackson's are not coming back. And this is the end and all that stuff and and thus the build for UFC one forty five happened and in the build for you have C.. One forty five in the countdown. All over the place was that conversation. They pointed to that as the Genesis. Mrs Of you know the the break-up between Rishaad the teacher and the student John Jones and so had I not ask the night before if I just assumed that they had put that in there that they recognize the importance the magnitude of that comment and the thing aired. I didn't have a chance to then you know. Tell them it was important. And then throw it. That's feud dude may never have happened. Isn't that crazy. MMA history. Yes all playing out Incredible that that almost never right now. It's possible that at some point they would have said something if they really felt that way about each other it would. Have you know it would have dissolved solved on. Its Own. And they would have had the break-up they would fight but I always think and in the build up that fight I always felt like I always took credit for. Oh like I was the one who has the question and Blah Blah Blah. But really the credit needs to go to actually recognizing the night before. Hey I'm actually working with people that don't know a lot about Ma maybe they didn't realize that this was a big deal end turn up. They didn't and I just always thought. Wow if I didn't ask that question what would happen. It's like that movie sliding doors. Yeah you have to assume you have to assume combat the reason John was willing to say yes to that. Question was at some in some capacity at some level this relationship was already kind of dissolving But the public public was not aware of this and the public was almost not made aware of this. Unless you had been able to toss from the desk Or from the desk to that interview And I remember that countdown show. I remember that being a crucial part of the lead up and I wonder I wonder if you told a John and Rashad that story where they were in in their minds where where Rashaad was When he was thinking about what happened there amazing anyway Super Bowl weekend and always fun? You mentioned the big voice. Yeah what about yours The other ones that come to mind I mean obviously the the Silva Belfort knockout was tremendous that I say Silva Silva Belfort That was tremendous twenty six. Cover the video game Shoutout to James Law forgetting the photo Pretty much took the photo from him. You have see eighty one also also tremendous for two reasons Big Dog finally gets a UFC belt. Even though it was an interim title submitting Tim Sylvia but more importantly brock listeners debut You know the Steve Mazda Guidi moment where he halts the fight it looks like brock is just going to steamroll right. Through Frank Mir Maserati halted the fight Deduct the point for illegal legal blow and then shortly thereafter. I remember the tap like the slow acceptance of all my God I got caught by this guy With with Mural beat up Mir submits them him and essentially ignites one of the best feuds in UFC history. Ninety four special. Because I worked on the primetime show I was in between jobs. MMA rated Had had been sold and I couldn't get back into the May media business talk about sliding doors and so my friend Jason Hare. WHO's currently working on that five or ten part Chicago Bulls documentary for ESPN and has produced some amazing Throughout these yeah has done like the Chicago. Bears one eighty five bears won the FAB. Five one did the Andre the giant dog anyway. He asked me if I wanted to help because he knew nothing about Emma May and two. I was in charge of the BJ section. And that's when I realized that. BJ Wasn't really training. I'm for that fight because it was at one seventy and was just like going on leisurely jobs so that one is a proven training methods. Yes yes yes. So that one comes comes to mind Conde de as obviously you have C.. One forty three and one more UFC sixty seven was a great one. Because it was debut of Quinton Rampage Jackson and miracle-gro Cro cop and then of course Anderson civil was supposed to fight Travis Luder for the belt Luder Mrs Weight And then it becomes a non title fight and GSP was supposed to fight Sarah on that card as well as supposed to be both a title fight from from the ultimate fighter but I believe it was. Gop who got injured more might have been. Sarah my memory is is a little foggy at this point so they postponed sixty nine the first ever event in Houston and then of course met Sarah Knocks him out and we're going next week. So how about that. Houston there they go. It's funny how all the very few of these are contemporary right like. There's not a lot of really said Superbowl Weekend Memories And now what's happening. Yeah Yeah like you have C.. One sixty nine I think was the last pay per view and then they did like a couple of fight nights but that it didn't feel big enough And then they stopped doing it and I think he kind of makes sense to be honest. Because there's so much attention there's so many resources on the game itself. Why try to compete against that? So I kind of think it makes sense from a business standpoint but it was always fun being in Vegas and you know people betting on games and all that stuff The vibe there was was just tremendous All right before we go there. There is There's a few more things that we have to get to. I just wanted to to bring up I mean. I know that you're a huge basketball fan. Like I am and I noticed that on Sunday afternoon. Tea who doesn't tweet. A lot was tweeting a lot or at least retweeting a lot of things about Kobe. Bryant's shocking death in his daughters others shocking death and and all the other lives. That were lost. Seven lives in that helicopter crash I talked about it a little bit on Monday but I have have to be honest. I still can't get over like I am. I mesmerized by just watching everything I thought. TNT did a phenomenal job with inside the NBA yesterday and All the clips clips that have been posted and I think he has peon has done a tremendous job of covering the story. But I just can't get enough of it like I can't stop listening to podcasts about it. I can't stop watching clips. oops I can't stop going on youtube in watching moments and I think it's because of the impact. He had on all of us as sports fans. But also I think as parents And and as fathers of daughters. It's tremendously painful. To just think about those closing moments and so I just wanted to know how you were handling it and how you were feeling about it all. Yeah Yeah definitely touched me at a very like real emotional level being a girl dad. Having my two year old daughter it really touched. Let me at a at a level that I can't say it probably would have a few years ago but I think what's so interesting. Incredible about this whole thing is that it almost doesn't feel like he's gone on because they're so much footage of honey because there is so much out there. Kobe Bryant because he grew up so much in the spotlight as seventeen eighteen year. Old Kid coming into the MBA EH. In an era where now video was so important. So crucial and owning archives. There's so much out there Kobe. And the and the continual outpouring of of of clips in support of images and conversations talking about. Kobe almost feels like it. It doesn't need to end like there. There is so much there that this legacy can kind of continue. Continue to grow forever I think the shock is going to set in Sorry I think shock was the initial part. I think the reality of this is going to set in with a little bit more time but at the moment I'm kind of happy to see how much of a celebration of him and G G it is versus changes it. Can you know. Obviously there's people who who are affected by this in an emotional at an away that causes morning But at the same time I think there's so many people who idolize Koby be and are willing to celebrate him right now that it's really really heartwarming to see tst. Yeah I agree with Erick. It's the reality reality of this setting in is going to take awhile. I mean I still when you see the headlines or the bar going across the TV that Kobe Bryant is dead at age forty one and his daughter and seven others killed. It still doesn't feel real and this will definitely be one of those moments for the rest of your life. You remember exactly what you were doing where you were at that time. I got a phone call. I was at the LAUNDROMAT. Do my laundry and I was in the middle of lingerie and someone called me and told me the news that teams he was reporting and I just let out a huge. Like what's like what no you can't be serious and so then you go online and the moments immediately after that you're just like no no no this can't be true and and it breaks my heart every time I think about air like you. I'm listening Qazi reading things. I can't get enough of the coverage and this is this is going beyond sports this on CNN and and this is on all the networks this is on your local news and as more and more is coming out of this I it just breaks my heart every time especially when you throw in the family aspect of it the community aspect of what. Kobe mental Los Angeles so many years it breaks my heart thinking about it and but but the positive spin on this is the sports world and the entire world at at large internationally. Because that's how big an impact coby Bryan had is coming together to remember him and that will always be the the great unifiers what we recall sports. And that's what's so inspiring. Obviously this horrible tragedy but knowing that we can all come together and celebrate and share some laughs about Kobe's life Ventura some incredible memories of his basketball life that that is uplifting. That's the great thing in a return. You're right they're speaking of being a girl dead near Req- good. I'm good okay. We we heard you telling your daughter to turn it off. I tried press mute. No screens if she no. She is She's playing with a little electronic puppy that makes noise and that's not conducive induces for me talking on this is no it's okay And that's that's the joy of being a dad and a girl Dad The part that that makes what's this. I think very hard is. You're seeing the raw motion of people that we consider to be somewhat larger than life. Like when you see Shaquille O'Neal and Jerry West and Reggie Miller and Ernie Johnson and these people and and Stephen a Smith and Jalen rose and Jay Williams grieve openly on the air it for some reason it almost makes it hurt a little more because these people are you know people that I think that we put on a pedestal and they are superstars and to see someone like Kobe who was really almost you no packaged as immortal Mamba mentality and playing through the ruptured Achilles and and shooting free throws the broken arm and just always is overcoming obstacles and doing what he did and now to think that he's not here anymore. How's that possible? How is this guy who really seemed present? That in his second act he was going to be more impactful than in his first act of life and how he was so happy to be a dad so happy that his daughter was going to be a better player than he was in all this stuff. How is this possible? How how could this like? I can't wrap my head around it. I can't digest it And it's it's just a show. I mean this is you know I wasn't around for Roberto Clemente Eh. Wasn't around for Thurman Munson was around for John Lennon I do remember a lady. Di I do remember Michael Jackson This one I think is going to be one. That is going to haunt US forever and we'll be talking about where we were when it happened. And the the aftermath in what these weeks were like after I mean I just think that this is going to be one of those moments and you know what really makes me sad. What really makes me sad is that he was a tremendous player? One of the greatest ever five championships all that stuff. But he's always going going to be a great player who died in the plane crash or the helicopter crash. Like that's now going to be a part of the story and that really sucks. You know that really really sucks that that is who he is Because he just seemed like he was destined for such great things like the way he talked to the younger players even that one moment at the. UFC retreat how he talked about you know coming together not just for yourselves. But about the next generation this guy who was branded as being selfish in his against second seemed very selfless on it was putting his family first. And all this stuff and it's just all the footage and all the photos all the videos. It's it's really it's hard to take. It's it's painful it like physically hurts it's And so it's just been tough. It's been tough to think about other things and I didn't want to harp on it too much on today's show because I recognize that we are an escape valve for are for you guys who who listened to the show. You don't want to be you know you could go out and listen to a bunch of stuff on Kobe and I know that we are in. Ma Show. But I feel like we would be remiss if we didn't just bring bring him up ever so briefly here and just talk about how we were feeling because this has been a really hard week if your father if you're a sports fan if you're neither everyone I think has has been affected by this and it's just a it's just been really tough so anyhow I just wanted to talk about it in a little bit and share some thoughts and to say I'm still having a hard time time coming to terms with it and I don't feel like myself I still feel like I'm a fog in a fog and I never met the man I never. I never spoke to him. I was in his presence. Once at that Body Armor press conference in that I was the thrill in its own right but I didn't have a relationship with him. I just watched him for many years. Tried to get my haircut like him. One time I was pretty much it so anyway. I can't. I can't believe he's not here anymore. And I can't believe you won't get into hall of Fame Acceptance Speech and Worst of all. I can't believe his daughter won't get a chance to be in the WNBA and those other two who girls who Unfortunately passed away as well won't get their chance to to live out their dreams that Sir Anna and and by the way I recognize the fact that people die every day. And there's tragedies everyday recognize CNN is that but there's no denying that you know these people that we essentially invited to our homes and watch on a daily basis and talk about on an hourly basis have have an impact on us. And and that's okay. It's fine you don't have to be ashamed of that These things are different and For a guy of his stature to to to die like that it is just hard to handle right now so in any event TST I do believe we have A review that you wanted to bring to our attention. I do have review you and this comes from I. X is a five star review and so he has a bone to pick with youtube. Says some big you in New York Rick Van but I was listening to last Wednesday's show and he talked. Habib is number two pound for pound and maybe the best in the world call my IRA. So he says listen. Heightened way is on par with most well to rates. I don't think it could be you can use mon- Woodley Covington Mazda or even wonderboy Thompson. I believe he benefits from the fact that lightweight is not filled with dominant wrestlers at the top of the division while to rate is no one addresses the topic of Habib competing at wealth rate yet. He's quick to be crowned the best in the world he could be the lightweight. Go but not best in the world unless you fight a welterweight. I hope. Hope to your thoughts all right pause there review for one second. I'm going to get to that later on the show but in the midst of US taping this right now is around two seventeen. PM Eastern. In time I got a couple of videos of what appears to be a verbal altercation between Horry Mazda on tomorrow's men. They're both in Miami right now. They're at super bowl media media radio. Row whatever you call it. And they're doing a bunch of media. This is when all the media comes together in a big room and you go from station to station and apparently both of them were. They're doing some promotional work and got into a verbal altercation. I posted both the videos that I got on my twitter and instagram and a bunch of them are popping up right now. And so T. S. T.. I need you to call or Hey Maswadeh all right. Now he's going to join US literally seconds after this all went down to explain his side of the story. All right all right. Let's do it okay. So in a matter of seconds We're going to connect with horizontal and get his side of the story. TST calling him right now. Again in Miami verbal altercation between Bonn Mazda. There's been talks of them Going back and forth fighting each other Saying things about each other. You know the whole story or you know the drill. You know what happened. You know the back story here but now they're in the same room and apparently it's onsite when you're in the same room but it doesn't appear as though any punches were thrown or anything like that so oh that is good news for everyone involved. I think that we have multiple right. Now he's in Miami literally just minutes after this actually happened and I really WanNa get his side of the story. Okay so first off four. Hey are you there yes sir. I'm right here right now. Okay so what happened in her radio row. No more Just another Wednesday. No me running into the haters and and and people talking Shit and blast from izing My name is something just saying things that are that are not true. You know and I just wanted this person. Say Phasing Beijing addresses in my face and he's a coward and you've got all her and stuff and then he has this guy's on so I As a treat them a Oh man time when when is between me and I know a lot of people here this is why you gotta be so many fucking wine. 'cause that's me to this motherfucker should never opened opened. His mouth started talking all the wild shit that he's been talking when he came back it up and if I ever get looking to get my hands on our show the world the difference in Skill Elsa hand dog between me and I say before fight when I got respect for the guys in the skills that they bring. This is the guy that I'm going to start to finish. Okay can I tell you convicted in the wolf. How did it actually start? Did he say something to you. Did you say something to him. Did he see you. I did you see him I can you tell us how it actually kicked off. Why just told him I go man? You've been talking a lot of Shit saying this and that I'm I'm GonNa States you're facing somebody. Nobody else goes. Sandy Hook you up. You know I'm just letting you know my best you finish that you don't hear seat. He say he say something. I'm right to your face GONNA fuck you up the same way that I've let a lot of my opponents before you know like do more in private if it could just be me in them and look right known to hook you up but you know. I didn't get that chance with this do that. I don't like loosly if I got to have altercations every day I wouldn't mind Did anyone touched the other. Were there any not stupid. And he he plays Jason Guy on on TV but he's not stupid but what. What is that guy going to do in in a scenario like that hug my legs come on you know? He can't punch the little fucking wet. paperbacks what are you gonNA do in in the scenario that nothing but look down and have to take a seat you know. He's upon t did a lot of screaming and shouting that. I just wanted to tell them like I'm just got fuck. You gotta you. Don't WanNa take that person. It's just it's going to happen man you know. Just relax you gotta be louder none because I said a very calm and right to his face. I'M GONNA fuck you up you know. It wasn't no need for him though. Overreact like that. And he's just sensitive man because he doesn't like the truth. Did he say anything to you when you said that to him yeah. He said a lot of mumble rapid shit. I don't know what he said where he said something about this and that and that and they're not fucking could care less. I just wanted to let them know my message. I'M GONNA fuck you up in and I don't want you to just hear me say eight on TV. And then Oh you could deny or confirm the conviction states your face you see how much conviction I have behind it and so when something like this happens and you're your little bit fired up. I could tell like. Does this in your mind cement. The fact this guy has to be next as this made the decision for you you know you know my history Area I'm I'm a I'm serving types of music doesn't always mean that that I'm GonNa go only to that client. I'm Dr to them. Give me more focused but they need three pizzas. And Sodas the face of face fucking shins to the collarbone. It doesn't matter I'm handing them out if he gets in now tomorrow or ten years. It doesn't really matter to me. You know there's bound I don't need everybody's had this in my division. And that's everybody from number one all the way down in number fifteen there's boundaries and everybody's head is just got to get the most money possible for each and every one of these. Oh fuckers that that. I'm a gorgeous by the way I'm watching the video. Someone texted it to. How long ago did this happen? It's two twenty one right now. Would you say happened like ten minutes ago. Fifty minutes ago. How long ago ten fifteen minutes ago man the noses quick You GotTa give me props for that. Why you're freaking Blake? I I didn't even know able communicate. Everyone has some questions room. I just talked to those. No he's talking about the incident right now go why yes thank you. It was clogged up in Langdon. I know they got yeah headquarters over there. In Ninety Watt Shit. Listen to three. Zero five is kind of like my my second home so when things happened people hit me up. I was just curious if if no one was in between you guys. 'cause I've I've seen the footage now and people kind of were in between you do you think you would've gone physical with him if he Asking like he's going to do anything other than just breathe in in a way that I like him to breathe. Yeah he's done. I'm I'm GONNA Tiger bigger. He's he's a Beta. You know what I'm saying like you can do something. They might disturb the animals feet so he knows yes. It'd be very relaxed and Nice and calm when there's people it gets a little while to bowling when there's nobody running known this guy for years. He's been around for years. You know that guy. That got his job broken. He can't everyone up on me like that and started talking knows I'll slap the shit out. They beat the as Fucking S. Now he does have a cast in his hand and the little bit of humor still less than means like men are. I'm GONNA touch because he has this catching because I don't want no excuses reminiscent. Ooh You beat me up because I had a cashier hand weights have incomes off you though I know it's fake. You know because even he said it himself went to the doctor and he doesn't know what's wrong with him he has a cast. Maybe next year I mean I don't WanNa take place all. I could tell you that I will baptize this dude. My my greater campus is going to be painted on his face. Where do we stand right now? Is there any update from the last time we spoke on your next flight. Is it going to be used. When is it going to be? What could you tell us about your future Just out of pure coincidence and look out of nowhere just spoke to to nick manager you know and it was Interesting being in a in a in a lot of different inside because you've see saying one thing and it's completely different from from what we were hearing you know and and then to hear now from nick visas manager things make a lot more sense than it usually were sending those types of crazy things that I'm not willing to wait for no man. You know telling me this and that and that I got a complete there in the beginning of this year we got options. WHO's looking for? Who's WHO's GonNa give me the Nice Chunk of change? There's somebody like me has working sixteen years refreshing busing as needs. That's what we're looking for. You Know I. It's it's up to me. I mean I respect. Nick got nothing but respect for him and his brother. I got a Lotta respect for for Connor for what he's done inside the cage you know What those guys but I? I don't like his ass one bit. I haven't liked them. Never probably you know I just WANNA fuck his ass up. And and and he's he's besides seventy personalities nobody understanding no one of them. He's just appointment. It's the same guy five years ago. That's going to take pictures. We'll have seen your backyard fighting all the ship. fucker man the fucking grouping so if you had to predict right now you think it's who spun July if I was tell you why don't I don't WanNA break their face not for free but them but you know like whatever it'd be I I don't like him as a person and he's beating not the last guy because he's not talking but he's been other guys is The top team. That are some of my friends that some of my training partners so just that alone. You don't understand how much hurt and I wanNA put him. This guy got you know. I WanNa really separate myself from the pack on this guy's account you know I'm GonNa. I'm off his back. I'm going to catapult myself to another level okay and by the way what he has to tell you that that they're trying to get the fight with you we're talking. I won't get into details of that because there's so many people listening but it was all Good stuff you know. And it's crazy to hear from the horse's mouth as opposed to a third party the trickiness weirdness they were saying types of crazy shit. And you. You know we're GONNA FIGURE IT OUT WE'RE GONNA make the make the decision that makes the most motherfucking dollars and cents okay so in conclusion radio row earlier today Miami. Ucs Man he's doing media You guys are going back and forth you. Tell them what you think of him. You don't really remember what he said back to you. It was broken up in the whole thing. Just Kinda Kinda lasted a few a few minutes. Right yeah pretty much Either Beta man can ask too much of and and are you still there. Is there a chance you'll see him again or have you left. No no no I actually got things got a they got one segment. I've been elaborate insurance for a damn reason. Not just because I could speak and people understand me but it's because I fight when I go in the ring I fucking give it my all I fucking can give people passing. Give it their all. And that's me man. Not many people are into that Just hugging stuff to no avail. Yeah his last night he got Kale. They got more than he has wins. So what the fuck that. What are we talking about all right? Hey appreciate you doing this. I know I've been bothering you a lot lately. But there's a lot going on your life. Okay so I just. I felt like we needed to get your side of the story here. So thank you very much man. I appreciate you coming on very quickly here so you don't forget your boy. Asthma Scott out. Now you're getting fucked up. You better be off my Moscow. Everybody listening 'cause I'll find you leave it at that okay. My brother good night. There is the the three five zone I mean. It is Super Bowl weekend in Miami and so you might as well have or he might as well and You can see on my twitter on my instagram. I posted the the The video of what. I'm doing a live show here. TST Like this is actually happening as we speak we need to be. We need to be live now K.. Never this tape stuff. Are you guys still. There's anyone still there. I'm still here ricky. Still here. I'm still here any comment you. I'm sure you saw the video. Now what do you think I mean. It's getting a little heated. It's getting a little heated. But they were separated by quite a bit of but it's a it look Muslims versus. Her son is not a bad alternative. If we're not getting conor McGregor versus where a Moslem. All kind of this is the one that has the most amount of heat attached twenty KS earlier today Mazari posted quote on the ESPN Lemay twitter and Instagram Maswadeh. Talking about doc. Some some quick mathematics that he did regarding Conor McGregor And then we get this fight with This this dust up with Mon Mazda much Conor McGregor McGregor seems to be keeping his options. Open is definitely not letting the the hot that's boiling with with use mon- lead up so I'd be interested in either good from Oslo. He deserves attention and it seems like he's he's GonNa get something into this okay so I will answer that review question that T- posed before we had the breaking new segment there. But I feel like you have some work to do with your job with this stuff coming out so I will let you go New York Rick. You've been great. Thank you thank discography and much loved Niemira Hook you up. Let me know. It's ten dollars a pop and we'll talk later all right so there's near. Tst Can you remind me of the question. We're just GonNa do this live. I don't care this is this is the magic of is he in your mind. I know you're thinking like like wait. Why are we doing this like this? Why don't we just edited right like when we just clean this up? That's the beauty of taping site. I WanNa do this live. I want people to know that in the middle of the show. As you're reading me that review I told you to call or module right or wrong. I mean I know that's what will end up doing but tst preferred just lead off with horror. Hey and you know blow that up but hey whatever you want so the review and the question within the review was basically. Hey what's not Crown Habib the best in the world because we haven't put them in the welterweight division. He will lose if if he were putting the author eight division. I don't know how you can actually say that. I think that the guy's the most dominant fighter her in the history of the sport. Twenty eight to know Has Only lost one round. People can't say that no one has ever had a start to a career like that it known has fought on the level that he fought and been that dominant for that long known has gone that long without losing around. The one round of course was to conor McGregor around three of their air flight in October of two thousand eighteen. So how could you say confidently that. If he goes up to seventy he would lose. How can you say that now? The fact that he's not actively legal up to one seventy s fine. He's he's the man when fifty five what does he need to go to one. Seventy four so feels like a bit of a flawed argument. If you're asking me and I don't think that that should be you knock on him in the pound for pound rankings power rankings is all about all right if everyone was the same way the heavyweights to the flyways. Who would be the men now if someone does go up and down does that give us more insight as to how they would do and does that give them some extra points absolutely but if someone doesn't like gop for the longest? It's time to go up. John Jones has not gone up right. A bunch of people haven't gone but does D. C.. Get more points for going up. In my opinion yeah. We're going down whichever way you look at it absolutely but I don't think it should be a detriment should be like a knock on the guy so I don't necessarily agree with that. I just WanNa see someone fight. Kobe Covington. I don't know who it's going to be. If Habib wants to move up and lose a colby I would welcome that. So that Colby can make his undefeated streak away. Okay and on that note jess minimalist tip of the Week K.. Aerial so in the spirit of everything that has happened over the last few days and I I know you and you would reference this that Jay Williams video that was circulating after Kobe. Very emotional very powerful. Basie whatever you have going on with the person in your life forever beef you have whatever little petty battle. You're fighting that you just have to let it go and I wanNA tie in here. Is that a problem that I've faced with the people that are close in my life is that I always make time for people. I always make time for people the people that are really important to me and sometimes I feel like that's not reciprocate. It's always like oh I'm too busy. Sorry we'll talk next week and then that just keeps happening over and over again so what I want to say to everyone. Is that listen if we have learned in the last few days all what we have learned is that life is fleeting. You never know what's going to happen the next day and I know that's very morbid but it just very real and so those people that are important in your life stop putting off. Make time for them. I know we are all busy. See I know we all think we have super important things to do but at the end of the day. I called Spinning Rockville at the end of the day. We're all just these little creatures that are going around and around on spinning rock for eternity. It's really not that important so while you were on this earth make time for the people that are important for you all the other obligations that you supposedly have that you I think are important at the end of the day. They're really not and I know aerial. That may sound weird to you. Because I know you're such a grinder and you really really value. What it is you do? The the end of the day it's family it's the people that's that's what we all should want to be remembered for right amen. While said hundred percent like yesterday hearing a Shaquille O'Neal say that I'm GonNa be saying I love you more to to you know the colleagues on on NBA inside the NBA NBA TNT. Like that just the. Yeah Yeah you know and and and the thing is we say this a lot right. We always say this sort of thing. I'm GONNA appreciate life more and a hug. My life loved ones. I'm GonNa Tell Them I love them and then a week goes by two weeks. Go by and it's back to normal and so it would be nice if we did it more. It would be nice if we remember to do these things more if we appreciated people more if we lived in the moment more or if we didn't sweat the small stuff as much as we as we usually do. If we don't take these things so seriously these trivial things that can go away in an instant and at the end of the day respect our family and our and our parents and our brothers and sisters and our loved ones and our friends and colleagues life would be a lot better and it has been really nice to see so much positivity when there's so much negativity online I wish it wasn't you know I wish it wasn't Coming as a result of what happened on Sunday Sunday I would never want that in a million years. But that's been I guess the one small nice byproduct that that thread that L. Dunkin has inspired the girl dad threads of all the dads with their daughters and things. These are beautiful things. I wish it wasn't at the expense of these lives But I do hope that we can be better people and honestly being at ESPN today and being at ESPN Monday. especially like I kind of feel and these are my interactions with people. I do feel like you know we are hit by it because because we we we work in sports we live and breathe sports. I do feel like people are a little kinder to each other in a little nicer and a little more compassionate. I don't know if that's going going to last but to your point I grew the sentiment. I hope it does remain. I hope it does last. I hope that's you know it's been ugly. Couple years in our in our in our world and Things happen and will continue to happen but I do hope that we are kinder and remind everyone to appreciate life and appreciate each other and love each other and tell people how you feel about them and so in the spirit of that I love you. TST and I love New York Rick and you guys are a big part of my lives and I appreciate get everything that you do for me. I was hoping you'd say that I love you too. And I love mixed martial arts thank you. That should be your t-shirt t shirt shirt. I love mixed martial arts with called the COVINGTON in Israel destiny on the back. Wow look at that. Look at that pronunciation. You've come a long best you've come along I was looking being at the rankings. That some of you guys put together the thirty three twenty one rankings came out and I was like wow I know every single name on this list I never would have known this year ago. Well so if you if you and I suggest checking it out dot com slash. If you know all those names you will definitely no one through twenty for sure. My guess. I can't wait to see it and I can't wait to hear what you think of. I wonder I don't even know where Colby fell if he did fall. Anywhere wasn't in thirty three twenty one. Wow that's gonna it'd be really interesting tomorrow the eleven through twenty ranking comes out and then one through ten on Friday cool little concept. Check that out right now dot accomplish Emma may also later today check out the bad guy and ESPN plus cheile is chills in Miami. How about that so we did from there? Anyway we're out of time. What a show? Wow Jeez so many angles so much digest. Thank you very much Stephen. A Smith for coming on tremendous. He's the man love talking to him and and I hope that He opened your eyes and ears a little more after that conversation. Thank you as always New York. Rick Boucher this time and of course beg to Horry Mazda and all for the the late appearance. 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#1349 - David Sinclair

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#1349 - David Sinclair

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Please give it up for David Sinclair the Joe Rogan experience by David Sinclair life-span why we age and why we don't have to. I'm so happy there there are people like you out there because I don't WanNa age. I'm aging clearly but not interested in it. I don't like it yeah well. I don't know anybody who does Joe Rogan. Thanks for having me on. Thanks for coming back. The first one was a smash hit. Man People loved it. All my friends were very excited but I had a question for you. Right off the bat regarding regarding metformin there was actually an article. I'm sure you saw it recently like within the last couple of days that was going around through all the mainstream papers it was talking about how the use of Metformin Dhea and was there something else as well that was taking to human growth hormone taking two years to biological years off of people's lives in terms of their their age with your natural which actual I'm fifty two. It'd make me fifty right even forty nine point five coins study. How's that for yeah that was that was a good study? It's only nine people so we have to repeat this with a studs. What did you like nine super athletes or did you get like schmos that don't exercise as far as these were just a regular schmos schmos was yeah which is good news Schmos like me? Yes good news. Yeah I mean that's what you want. You don't want like some people just respond better super bodies. You know look great great thing about that. study is I. I was with the first the main author on that paper while it came out over in Israel as part of my journey up the the great great rift of Africa ended up in Israel anyway the guy there Seep Herath is his name he and I and a couple of other guys are trying to figure out not just why we age why we don't have to but is aging truly reversal and that's what this study suggests is that it's not just about slowing down aging but one day we could be eighty but biologically thirty now when we're talking about the biological age how was that measured this is measured by the length of the telomeres is measured by physical performance visit mentioned by a combination of these factors. It's none of that does something brand new most most people don't know about it so it's called the Horvath clock and what Horvath than others have discovered is that if you read the DNA and you don't just look at the letters act CG if you look at what's on the literacy sizes called their chemical modifications and those chemicals change as we get older in very linear linear and predictable ways and use a computer you can say if I took your blood sample right now I could read your DNA look at those chemical groups on the seas and and I could say you are okay fifty two you might be forty six according to that clock and also could predict when you're going to die scary. Jerry thought right yeah like a fortune teller yeah but the good news is well now that we know what's not just measuring aging. We actually think that clock is part of the aging process. We're learning. We had a reverse it to now. Is this just one modality. This combination of growth hormone is one way of going about it. Are there other ways of going about it growth hormone. DHEA METFORMIN is there anything else well. That's the first the typically in those three but I'm sure there's GonNa be many more discovered. We've only had this clock of the last few years in humans being used widely but I think as we use this clock we're going to figure out that whole bunch of stuff that we do and things that we can do and combine will not to slow aging but reverse it and not just by two and a half he is eventually and some of the technology that I talk about in my book we think could turn the clock back by a decade or more. Whoa now what things are you talking about that could could possibly turn it back a decade or more well so the and who do I have to blow sorry? Yeah you can blow me. You may have to do it a few times but the the amazing thing about where we are now today with aging and right on the cutting edge so it's great to be able to share this with your listeners. Is this clock. It's changes on the denied right. What I'm saying in my theory of of aging is that it's not the DNA that we lose? That's the old theory you know. The old idea that antioxidants hurt the just throw that out for a awhile maybe forever what I think is going on is that the DNA is getting modified and the cell count read the DNA the way it used to okay that's really important and so the clock is not just o'clock. It's not a clock on the wall. It's also if you move the hands on the clock time changes. That's what I think is going on. Can we pause awesome here for a moment and explain what you're saying about. Antioxidants well talks in Sabine the biggest disappointment in the aging field doesn't stop no forty million people every day buy drinks with antioxidants in them but antioxidants have with very few exceptions failed to extend the lifespan of any organism awesome but you are proponent of reservoir trawl. At least you used to be are you still I still take it and we still study at my lab but what's you brought. This is really important. Virtual was originally thought to be an antioxidant and it is a mild antioxidant but the way it really works. We know this is a fact from my lab. Is that it stimulating stimulating the body's defenses against aging and disease because it's it's binding to these enzymes that we work on culture tunes and these are the defenders the body and you were saying if I remember correctly you take resveratrol you take a powdered form actually bought exactly what you take and you mix it with yogurt in the mornings. Is that how you do it Yep. What's the dose that you take? Well probably comes out to about a gram gram okay so if someone's taking capsules what depends probably captured the two hundred fifty milligrams. That'd be okay yeah. I'm still alive so that's good. Thank thank you do you. is it important to take it with fats. Y You take it with yogurt. Yeah yeah either high protein which is a Uh a Greek yogurt suffices or fat but water it will break dust weren't dissolve and absorb but our glass of whole milk. Maybe we'd be okay. Oh that's great but it has to have something to buy at the deal Fisher yeah in in our studies in humans and mice if we didn't give them high fat food it barely got in those five fold less now this study of Metformin. DHEA and human growth hormone does not include an immense right so but is also effective well. Let's delve in a little bit please. If you read the paper and I have turns out. One of the facts of this treatment was the reduction in the levels of a protein called. CD THIRTY EIGHT CD thirty eight resides on immune cells and it goes up as we get older and what they found one of the biggest effects of the treatment was the levels of this city thirty protein went down so what is the CD thirty eight it. This is the main enzyme in our bodies that degrades in a D. N. A. D. is required for the defenders to work so one possibility is that and I'm sure it's it's complicated but one way this could be working is by allowing your body to make an ad and store it rather than degrading his get older an interesting so oh would supplementing with an which is a form of a precursor yeah precursor would that enhance the effects do believe like if they try to do a new study it could could it. Could I mean each of these patients cost ten thousand dollars for the treatment so it's it's not what do these studies ten thousand dollars for the entire T. of the treatment and the treatment last how long I don't remember how long they treated the the patients. Were but I do know that it's wasn't shape. That's why they only did nine 'cause i. I I said to my friend Steve Horvath nine patients you kidding me. What Oh you do? Fifty now went well. We didn't have the money that's that's anyway. My point really is that we need to test a lot of different combinations include animation include there's one called rapamycin which is a little bit more risky and toxic but there are better molecules in development. The question is what is the best combination and do use it with exercise and fasting acting or is it bad to combine them all together. We don't know yet. That's a good question to that. I wanted to ask you because one of things that came out of the podcast was input from some mother people that I know that our nutrition experts and performance experts that were skeptical about metformin and they were saying that metformin although it may have an anti aging aging effect it actually decreases physical performance and athletes well let there is a study that shows that enrich virtual to actually real can prevent the great gains from heart excise so here's the solution of that I think is worth trying a solution and that is a theme that that I have in my book and in my on my research and that is we don't want to be doing everything every day. NECESSARILY WE WANNA pulse it. We want to shock the body and let it recover. We know that you conscious excise is I mean some people who've been on this show run one hundred miles every every weekend but generally you want to hit it hard and let it recover heated Hutler so what I am planning ending to do and actually started doing on days mixed sizing and recovering don't take metformin and then when I'm just sitting around plane I do and that way I think that my body can have the the best of both worlds so when you are not exercising in you take it you feel like a dozen have a hit when you are exercising and not taking taking it so it somehow or another whatever performance hit it has its temporary yeah right so this is all just theoretical. It is the right on the cutting edge of human knowledge. We don't actually know what the best thing is but my best guess is that we want to allow the body to recover so I don't take metformin on those days he's rather than taking metformin everyday like a diabetic would what what is the. What's the hit like what is happening? What's the mechanism behind the performance it from taking metformin Norman all we don't know but I can tell you the best explanation I can give you some metformin is a derivative of plant molecule? All Kill the French Lilac so it's it's not crazy molecule. It's pretty natural but what it does is many things in the body. Scientists will quite annoyingly argue about it for for the past forty years so there's no correct answer but what I think is going on is that Metformin is interfering with the mighty conrail might connery in the cell might Mike Conley the we call them the battery packs basically making chemical energy without that chemical energy. We'd be dead in about twenty seconds so we need that for life so metformin interrupts that energy production in the mighty Andrea but you need the mighty country to amplify after you've exercised so that their antagonist each other so why what is metformin work by inhibiting the Mitochondria the body gets a signal that it doesn't have enough chemical energy. It's not making enough so it expands the number of Mighty Andrea these Incheon remnants of bacteria that entered ourselves and we have less if we sit around and like we are now and we have more exercise forman by telling the body Shit we're running out of energy the body responds and makes more mighty coverage just like exercise does but I think if you're taking metformin exercising that inhibition is preventing benefit somehow of what you get with exercise. Perhaps preventing your house so like what what did the study what studies have been done. What did they reveal? I don't remember the precise details of the study it was it was giving that form and every day to people who were in a controlled exercise. I think it was treadmill a few times a week but then what they measured was the mighty conrail benefit now that I think I mentioned a bit of strength so confusing. There's a mytalk mytalk mighty conjugal benefit but performance hit well. No they actually that metformin prevented the mighty cadre from amplifying. Oh all right so so then it must be interfering with the signal you get from exercise whatever that is. We don't know exactly what that is so you really. They have to be some sort of a guinea pig to try to fuck with the stuff to go back and forth from taking an exercising not taking it yeah I'm one of those guinea pigs and and what are you no disrespect how hard you work out not enough. It's been three hours a week in the gym. That's not bad. That's maintenance one day really one day three hours that way because I'm Issoire but you're so smart it that drives me crazy when smart people do dumb shit like Peter Test on the podcast. He's a brilliant man in the University of Texas. He's a researcher in tropical diseases and he's obsessed with diseases and the importance of vaccination all these things things talking about how his diet is terrible. He junk food is constantly Jack in the box and chat and I'm like what are you man. You're so smart and you're a guy who works on diseases. What's the number one cause of diseases? These are some of the worst food and they studied longevity crazy. It's crazy it's like they can't help their impulses. It's like there's so how many people like that that are obsessed with various aspects of health or performance but they just they just can't get it together. I would walk out more if I had time. I'm unusually working till midnight and after that I'm not really got to the gym. You do have an excuse. You have a crazy work schedule. You do have an excuse yeah well. I'm on planes Feb it so I try to excise on the planes pretty hard bathroom squats so he thinks you crazy appeal artery doing blow all in there or something. You haven't done it because people think you're in there doing math yet doing something in there yeah so. What do you do when workout I lift weights an hour then to a fair bit of stretching and then and then actually do some hot and cold treatment? Oh Yeah you remember we did the cryotherapy lost time yeah. That was fantastic. Yeah you want to do it again today. I'll do it today. I did hot yoga earlier so I I like to do hot yoga in the morning then cry. Oh after a podcast so I like to mix it up all right. Let's do it. I don't have a crier handy at my a place but I do the sauna and then called up and you should get a Kreil setup. They're not that expensive you get one. What about these infrared boxes they any good oh for Saunas? I do not know but some people swear by them. Laird Hamilton who were talking about Oh by the way is coughing. He's fantastic Tomba superfood food coffee well. We'll get you more. Oh Jeff is going off to pick up our PABLO ESCOBAR mugshot picture. I'm obsessed with mugshots for some strange reason oh in collecting new mugshot pictures got a giant Pablo Escobar very nice. The Laird Hamilton stuff is that's got turmeric. It's got a coconut milk. It's organic coffee. I'm so addicted to it. I drink that stuff like water young. I have to get myself so yeah. It's delicious does he sought me you could just you don't need a machine either. Mix It yourself. He has all the stuff you just poured into coughing. I mean he's he's a hero of Mine Stud. What does he's fifty something thousand years old? I runs mountains fucking serfs. Things tolls the Empire State Building. He's a very interesting character. Last I saw him. I was watching touching something on instagram and I saw him in a sauna with oven mitts on riding a bike like one of those Eco bikes those rogue you know those Aerosol Bikes riding one of those fucking things in Asana. I was doing his sauna routine. I did not like it. I was cranking the sauna up to two hundred and twenty degrees degrees and I think I cooked my lungs a little bit not bad but people who listened to the podcasts after my apologies because I was I was coughing like that for like four five episodes and then I had decided okay. This is fucking stupid like I don't think this is good for me right or Mrs what doesn't kill you makes you live longer. That's not exactly true but you can push it a little up. Booz Booz doesn't kill you. It definitely doesn't make you live longer that is true if you drink wrinkle art every night if two people one drinks hard and their brother who drinks water and runs all the time boy that water drinking guy. It looks fucking fantastic doesn't he compares well yeah. That's probably another one in my vices go to lay off the WHO's yeah well. How much do you drink? I probably we have one or two a day. When I'm on vacation like you I overdo it? I just got back from vacation. It's my body's way out of shape. Yeah I get fat on vacation. Last time I was on vacation. I was doing S. House grabbing my size in Italy I went hard. I was drinking wine. Every now is during it about a half a bottle of wine every night and was eating pasta all day long but I when I'm on vacation I just go fuck it and also I. It kind of gives me a little project. When I come back? You know like all right now. It's time to get serious right right right. Well I was in Africa recently and got to tell you one of the when when wildebeest get attacked and chewed on for forty five minutes that's by crocodile nothing better than going back to the camp and having a beard or to calm down so I do a lot of that so when you were on safari how how did you when when are you in one of those open jeep deals a lot of that we did also some hiking MASCI leaders that would go out and with a federal officer with gun to protect US Christ was fun. It's so much so different than being in a jeep to walk among the cats. Oh yeah man you gotta sure you're almost else dead. Yeah you're right there. You feel like you're alive. You know how you get the feeling of what it was like to be an early human. I've never encountered anything other than bears in the woods that are terrifying never seen amount line while like hunting. I've only seen two mountain lines ever was from my back porch in Colorado and one was in the street in Santa Barbara. I was driving and I saw one run across the street right. I didn't realize it was a mountain line until I saw the tales like Oh shit. I thought it was a coyote or something and then I saw that long tail but while hunting I've the only thing I've ever seen as a grizzly bear grizzly bear once I've seen black bears black bears sure unnerving grizzly bears terrifying they look at you like this. You could shoot them and also look right through. You look like am I eating you. What's going on with you? I'm going to eat you. They're trying to black bears like shy get out of here should Iran am I the boss or the boss like they're not sure. Grizzly bears are fucking sure. They're the boss his trying to figure out whether or not they should eat you right now. Actually one of the things you realize when you're amongst these animals it's a huge privilege to go for a walk without getting eaten yes yeah we don't think about it that way because we're so used to being in Parks and oh I'm out nature the fuck you are. You're not really in nature year and some weird sort of nature preserve preserve that we've sort of set up inside cities right and people ask me about my work. Oh is what you're doing. UNNATURAL FUCK natural. What about how well does natural anyway brushing? Your teeth is a natural either stupid right. You're born with a tooth brushing your hand shut right over here. What at thirty thousand feet drinking a cocktail? Nothing the incident not so natural that's natural. You're getting bombarded by solar radiation your boozing it up. You're also somehow or another online no way that anybody's ever going to be able to explain to me that my puny brains GonNa understand right exactly well. Yeah don't the argument that aging is natural therefore it's acceptable by. I don't don't buy any of those natural things because everything unearth is natural even chemicals. It's not getting them from the stars. We're not pulling them out of the dimensions like what are you talking about. It's Paul from Earth everything right even most of them derived from plants. in Africa was hanging out with a bunch why these are the pygmies they used to be in the forest. I and I had the the chief. Take me through the forest new showing Meola drugs. They used to take There's this clustered Diem. I think I'm saying it right. It was a leaf they used to chew on. They'd smoked the we'd. They'd go a little dizzy crouch down after about fifteen minutes they'd stand up and they felt invincible. They'd go kill one of those elephants in the jungle Jesus. Eh Killed Elephants mini elephants. Oh the smaller elephants but now they are smaller people right Soldini out. There can't accept the worms the worms were about this long. Oh my a buddy Justin Ram. We're a big supporter of fight for the forgotten charity. It's a cherry that my friend Justin wren set up and they build wells for the pygmies in the Congo and through this this application called the cash APP. I've personally donated to and we also were doing benefits for them. We're doing a big benefit in. LA coming up soon that'll be announcing soon but but he goes over there all the time and he's had malaria three times and just recently has acquired some unknown parasite that just devastating his health and he's trying to figure out what it is so he's got to go through a battery of tests and they've got to examine him but but next time he goes over there apparently is going to bring his own food but I mean fucking poor guys got malaria three times yeah well. You should be taking his medicine more often and I think it recurs. Does it really does not get rid of it well. It's it it becomes static right. It's horrific man and the way he describes it and he's a gorilla Rila. I mean a fucking gorilla. He's a huge man. He fights for Bela Tor he's one of their heavyweight contenders contenders so he's you know two hundred fifty pound instead of a guy who goes over there and catches these horrific diseases and just barely survives comes and gets the medication and comes back but then when he gets sick six sometimes it'll kick back again kickback in another reason you don't want to go back to natural way of life but you're a good man for supporting the pygmies. I was just Austin such a fucking angel when you talk to him and you you see has documentaries that he's put out in his films that they've done with water for now just with his organization fight for the forgotten like he he can't help help how Gosh I was in on the Ugandan side of the volcano rift on and the way they live was was just it was shocking and we're going to help rebuild a school for them but they need help and the right on the edge of civilization the the Butler try the pygmies are in the worst situation than anybody and they're they're the lowest of the low they're picked on racially. They'll kicked off their land. Yes to save the gorillas in these elephants and they don't know what to do. Go they everything they knew how to how live is gone and that crazy. They're kicked off their land to save animals right. Yeah well give it. There's no there's no way out you gotta do compels. Isn't there a way to not kill the animals and have them all coexist. I guess you could have kept them in the national park so you can't easily XLII have humans living in the national park has posed you could but they they are trying to modernize them so they put them on this small few acres of land in which they're trying to learn how to farm and and the way they subsist is through tourism so I I would recommend anyone who's interested. Go see them support them by a lot of stuff. We I think we bought up quarter of the village wjr. They love that but we're GONNA go back and do something meaningful those awesome. That's awesome natural so we were talked. We got off sidetracked so you were we're in Africa which is the most realistic environment and if you want to really know what nature's about you're in the most realistic environment it's it's all tooth Fang and claw. It's like whatever survive survives and whatever doesn't become food and there's just this constant cycle going on and you're walking walking around now. When you walk in you walking when you saw the crocodile eat the wildebeest? You're in the G. O. J. for that. How does a jeep thing work? Why don't they just jumping jumping jeep? I don't understand that good question. I asked myself that as they were walking by same with the guerrillas Ibn habituated to humans they they I literally don't even see the guerrillas don't they're you know they're not aggressive unless they think you're a threat. They don't eat meat just eating plants all day. It's still pretty dangerous. One Swipe from guerrilla. Oh my God gray back silver back up. It's interesting that the the GPS have been around for so long they just go go under the the the the gun yeah yeah that it's as though the GPS out there you might six gps looking we saw some lines RIPA potter Impala right in front front of us and they just going about their daily laws. You see catch. It just missed that we saw them running away God if I saw them. Running in real life shut my pants with running towards L. Camp so we we're running out of the way I heard a horrible story about these people to run safari camp and this person and went to use the bathroom in the middle of the night. Apparently you know there's cabins and you have to leave the cabinet. Go the bathroom and the cats went in the bathroom and got with them and dragged him out the kidding no way to go yeah. It's the hyenas you gotTa Watch out. Folks actually ate you alive. Oh Fuck Yeah. The the locals don't like the hyenas they don't have respect any animal that eats another animal while it's still screaming. Oh yeah they don't give a fuck. They don't try to kill you. They just eat that. wildebeest had a broken leg. It got away from the Crock but it was. It's it's Bush made at that point yeah but there were there were people in the jeep some other Americans cheering. It was like a sport for them. Oh no I didn't appreciate fuck in. It was a solemn moment. This animal is GonNa die like whoo chasing it must be men right it. It was mixed. It was girls. I'd be super concerned. I think it was a few but girls were cheering. Yeah fuck him might have been a I think it was the guys cheering but hard but chasing this animal it's Horford being broken off and it was running on a broken leg and chasing the people the jeep and people in the back of the jeep yeah my kids were with me that were screaming and crying it was it was emotional. I don't WanNa see that yeah yeah. I have never seen anything. Take anything out in the real world. It's shocking you can see it on BBC or whatever as much as you want but when you see it live my friend Johnny Hamilton he works at a ranch in Colorado title shot Al Tijani he was following the trail of this gigantic elk they'd seen all these footsteps and they seen mountain line footsteps and and then there was no more mountain line footsteps and then they followed it about one hundred yards this show or so and they found the the cat on top of the elk it jumped on the elks back and killed the elk one hundred fifty pound cat and nine hundred pound elk big bull and it just leaped doc on back and just got a hold of its neck and the neck dragged to the ground but wrote it for one hundred yards yeah the crock did this to to the wildebeest. Uh so elephants are interest and we saw a lot of those and what we learned was that the old elephants because they've run out of their teeth teeth way down and at some point they just onto anymore so they have to find really soft off eventually they die and that gives rise to this legend that there's this graveyard elephants not a graveyard is just way the soft food is but I was thinking king if elephants had technology they could easily aging they just get dentures and why can't we just track them and give them some implants yeah well. They do it with people right I think in the zoo they might do something like that. I had with dog my teeth rebuilt wearing out yeah. I've seen that before with people it's cool it it. It made sense. It's my daughter's teeth but I said to the dentist. I know chaining topic here but it's funny I said to the dentist can fix my teeth. You just did my door. They went on Oh. You're you're almost fifty. We don't fix teeth at fifty. Excuse me do I feel like you're on your way out exactly yeah someone said that to me in terms of meniscus kiss at a meniscus tear and they said well when you're younger you have more blood flow to your meniscus and we would just surgically repair it and hope it would fix wchs or perhaps today stem cells but most likely because of your age. It's not going to heal correctly and I'm like okay. I'm confused because you're talking about blood. Lead flow blood flow like what is happening. That's different. I think this is like some old medicine nonsense like is blood not flowing. I mean well. It's flowing and someone with your fitness is flowing probably as much as thirty year old anyway. I'm in better shape than I was. When I was thirty I do more shit? I do more running. You know I'm Mike Mom. We've got a lot of blood flowing around them. I think they compare you to sedentary people for sure they do. That's the problem with most medicine is that it's tailored to the average person listen yeah. We got it to fix that. It's GONNA be personalized. Tailored yeah measured. I think if I wanted to go on safari like that like you did I'm I would. I would have to make sure that I wasn't around any cheering assholes like that. I would have to take some sort of a solo trip and not have to be heavily armed and then wearing armor some some sort of arm well so that was intended and a flame thrower during the months for me right Faulk does things man you've ever seen survivor -vivor man. Do you know survivor. Less is a great guy but he's committed to finding bigfoot now. It's always doing these right yeah but anyway less did an episode where he did survivor man in Africa and the scenario he would create these fakes Eros just manmade scenarios. I was like what if you were in a hot air balloon and the hot air balloon got a hole in it and crash landed in these lion infested territories so he literally did that. It's insane the basket so you had a few items in the basket and the the flame thrower for the uh-huh for the hot air balloon with him to ward off the fucking lions so here he is it's nighttime in Africa and by the way he sell films everything you know the reason y they came out with that other show with that WHO's out of the dude the other dude that got busted like sleeping in the Holiday Inn. He got yeah bear grylls. He was going to the four seasons at night. He's like this is how you could do it but I'm not going to do he would he would show you how to do you sleep in an Igloo but meanwhile you'd fucking right he was getting room service and eating steaks and Shit Yeah. That's why but less drought really does it. I mean he brings a series of cameras so this is him and lasts went went and he so he pretends to crash land so this is a scenario that he created for himself but the reality is he really is surrounded by lions lions and so he has a limited amount of propane and he would fire look look look he would fire up that thing which is what you use to get in the hot air balloon Lunen scare the Shit Outta lions so through the night he would hear you'd hear that little fucking zebras and Shit so we'd here in the middle of the night and you'd have to Kirk fire that thing up scare everybody in the fuck away and then after an hour or so fuck time to fire it up again and so he was out there asleep in this basket trying yeah so crazy he's so crazy and he would also do these things where he would have virtually no food for seven seven eight days and just really just get super super skinny and almost starve to death. That's the opposite of being in a jeep deep. He's got like a bottle of water. I got a pocket knife. I got some rope like this is how you do it. I go stick. What is that a some sort of a machete type thing fucking crazy yeah we we went up which was beautiful by the way fun isn't it then Italy recently wildly Ed's anyone who's afraid of heights don't worry beautiful but we had a truck underneath underneath us with people with guns just in case happened? Oh well. That's good yeah so they're gonNA take a long people yeah. There's a whole industry and keeping people alive that wanted to stupid shit yeah doc right. You can imagine all sorry the getty burnt down yet with some guy in a balloon. How many right how many days did you go there for? We traveled for sixteen days. I took Waka my whole family. MARLA brother his kids how the kids two nephews and my kids are sixteen fourteen twelve perfect age for this and the they don't recommend you being under a certain age if you're GonNa take malaria medication right. They'll do hoops really I don't. I don't think twelve might be okay. I think it's like under ten or something like that. You know the stuff is heavy. Duty Like didn't fuck with you crazy nightmares. I took the one that doesn't give you nightmares nightmares but my other siblings had that my father came so he's eighty and that was actually the reason we went to his eightieth birthday present. Oh wow that's cool cool. What a cool president days it was it was awesome? We went Kenya Tanzania Uganda with what did you like best. Tanzania's supposed to be gorgeous. Yes Erin Getty with incredible. It was all good I really liked hanging out with the with human beings. They're interesting species. Oh for sure yeah I enjoy humans yeah so so is the origins journey I called and so we went to we started in Olduvai Gorge. which is where humans the the original fossils were found going back a few million years wow now and started there and then just went through looking at the various animals we saw the guerrillas and we ended up a few days ago? I was in Jerusalem looking at it. Though we we come Oh wow real origins tour citing recon. That's exciting wow that is so cool so what was was the most unusual thing besides Jerusalem is that in the most unusual. That's the most insane thing we're all the religions are on top of each other touching rocks and blessing this spring humans a crazy. They'll worship anything well. I'm sure you've seen I was in Germany once and a UFC in I was flipping through the channels television and there was This live feed from Mecca and this is pre instagram I am I was on instagram. I definitely would have 'cause I watched it for hours. I just sat there in my room drinking a cocktail with my feet up watching this these people circle circle around this what is that square shaped thing in the center of Mecca yeah if he was a religious object. I believe I think says something to do. An asteroid like there's a piece of some find out that makes sense is important to people but the the the watching people circle. They're all wearing religious garb this Islamic garb that they have to wear and they're all circling around this thing like for hours hours and hours and hours. I'm like it's oddly appealing like part of you wants to go. I recognize that there's got to be a very strong strong sense of unity and community in everybody agreeing that we are all going to treat this. This is a sacred object is a sacred place. We're gonNA wear sacred close. We're all GONNA follow this this path and this and we're all going to be together in this like this like super for reinforced sense of community. That's actually ordained by God himself. Well we all need that feeling for me at science and the fossils that I and my colleagues believe with the origins. Everyone needs an origin story here. It is how would you say that cut Kabbah Kabbah. It's built around the sacred blackstone meteorite that the Muslims Muslims believe was placed by Abraham Ishmail Ishmail in the corner of the Kabba a symbol of God's covenant with Abraham and Ishmael and by extension with the Muslim community itself yeah that the sodas it is actually a meteorite which how how incredible edible right like a little bit of science and a little bit of religion all wrapped up together discovery so this this is what it looks like so you're watching this on the channel channel. I was watching in Germany again. This is probably like more than ten years ago twelve years ago perhaps and watching this circle around this like religious spot very very captivating yet the one that I remember most from I think Jerusalem yeah was people touching. I'm the star in where the crucifix was thought to be lined up for hours to just touch it for a few seconds. Meanwhile you know the origin of humans the fossils. There's maybe maybe two or three people hanging out. No one really cares. Admittedly it is out of the way it's not in the middle of Middle East but still it struck me that humans are more focused on and these icons of religion than where I believe we really came from Africa. Yeah I mean if you look at it and you see it you touch you feel it. It's the only sensible explanation I mean you can still have religion. That's fine but you know. Don't tell me those fossils. We'll put there by somebody. No I mean obviously not but it's it is the idea that a a human being came from some lower homicide which came originally from a shrew is so so hard to follow hello like if you go all the way back to sixty five million years ago to the asteroid hidden in the Yucatan and you're like wait what happen I yeah big rock smashed and killed everything except like these little rodent things and they just eventually evolved. That's what I love about science. It's amazing. It's not only amazing. It's actually true yeah. We can approve foul the fossil record. That's one of the funny things when people go oh what about the missing link missing holes in the fossil record well just holes in your education Asian not holes. I mean they go out to Australia. PINKUS explain Australia Pacific as extreme explain explain the various other human beings explain explain Homo Florian Sus explained the neanderthal explain all these different. There's a whole slew slew of different fucking things that were human like what was that God's experiments was God fucking around. Let's try to make them super short and why thick and heavy like a five foot seven two hundred pound person that's way stronger than a person to Those are no good listen. Let's get a taller skinnier one but would bigger brains Raines right and let's have breathed. That's what we did was bang them. Yeah Everybody Bang. I don't know if it was marriage or rape but something happened. I think most rape mostly most breeding was raped until about like five hundred years ago I agree with you. Do you know to this day. There's a country is Kurdistan. What does the there's a country country that twenty percent of all marriages beginning kidnapping shame to the the female being kidnapped? She ultimately has to marry her captor kurdistan-kurdish Kirghistan. I'm not saying it yeah. How do you you say that Kirghistan her because I think it's Kirghistan yeah one in five girls and women kidnapped for marriage and curbstone how fucking fucking crazy this is two thousand nineteen religion Roy Shame but the fact that you could kidnap someone rape them and then they get shamed aimed into marrying you well I? I was shocked in Jerusalem. I'm GONNA probably have a lot of hate mail for saying this but it's a fact that when you go to the Wailing Wall as I didn't put little note in the wall which was a great experience by there there is a space for men and women separated but the space for men is four five times bigger than the one for women good us yeah. It's always disparity anyway so so the similar amount of women that are going to this wall and they're just jammed a smaller area yeah still two thousand nineteen is this ordained. Is this some sort of a religious the Orthodox apparently behind that checked it out so there's there's an actual scripture that says men are supposed to have this of course I doubt that ancient sexism well yeah and even the wall is he's just tradition right but anyway the history of humankind is interesting and I did that Lord there. I was all the black spots colts grass at sets plant material. I think is it Y- The plants growing out of the wall. Oh it is okay. They're not black. We're just looking at low resolution and that's the women's side. Do you remember the scene in what is the World War Z. When all the zombies climb up the wall they pile on top of each other like a did you see World War Z? fucking great movie like I say is there's a crazy scene. It's Brad Pitt Zombie movie or although all the zombies this pile up on top of each other and make it to the top of the wall you got it James GonNa pull it up so they get to the wall and look at these fucking Zombie. People are are climbing up yeah. Oh it's it's pretty gnarly man. You never seen this movie I've wanted to does the novels are supposed to be excellent. What the novels written in by some famous guys son who's who wrote the novel but there's a great scene see they're all piling on top of each other and they're just reckless? They have no concern for the health or well-being 'cause they're you know they're dead so they're just making this human thing and then the soldiers are shooting into the pile trying to knock them down but they get over the top of the wall and they started infecting people. It's pretty wild ass movie who wrote that movie isn't wild movie man. This is one of those Zombie movies where Kazombos move fast the slow Zombie movies which like that's why walking dead like. I feel like you could fuck those things up. I mean it can only last so long as they don't move fast like how are they surviving. They just kind of like shuffling towards you. I feel like if you just have a big sword. You can just start hacking way yeah so there are there is on B. Cells in the body and I make that segue because people going to watch the hell. Are we talking about aging we will we we're here forever. Max Brooks the son one of Melbourne. Hey go shot up to Max Brooks and Mel Brooks sorry aging well. We don't have to Zombie cells. So what are they are. We don't talk about Africa and you trip chill show 'cause it's a pretty exciting It wasn't sure show to thank you when you're on it grew up also I recommend everybody go to Africa not just to come back a different person a better human being also to support them. They really need help over there when when you were in the area where the oldest human-like fossils were found. What's the feeling like when you're in this area like you you really are where the origins of humankind or from I mean that has got to be a pretty profound feeling yeah? It was spiritual. Unfortunately the the the people they were saying hurry hurry. You have to go see some zebras Mike. This is more important than the zebras but these are the people that are guides yeah. They don't know what was important according to UN fair enough but I would love to spend a whole day there they apparently there are still fossils sticking out of the walls of the gory yeah so the reason it's allowed to do anything with them. Done what happens if you find fossil yesterday contacted university shut the well actually. I probably really shouldn't confess this on do it bro only later. It's not so bad you can actually find whole bunch of stuff in Africa. That's interesting if you look down rather than out and my oldest daughter are all the store Alex she looked out she's a scientist and so she sixteen year old scientist I just she found whole bunch of stone tools. Wow not they're not not in Olduvai gorge that sacred but you know just out on the seren getty or wherever did you get him analysed not yet they recently found stone tools in the United States that they've brought back to sixteen thousand years ago the oldest known stone tools of any human being and it's sort of they're they're slowly but surely pushing shing back the dates of human civilization in America and one of the more recent discoveries was stone tools that are from sixteen thousand years ago so people would made their way over here or here. It is on this yeah so you never saw it. I don't know if you saw it yet. They said it there's I don't know if they they have video but they said they saw this monkey sharpening that's done before it was actually breaking the glass with shattered glass sharpened stone impressive prison break attempt man I and fuck keeping monkeys in a cage that drives me so crazy I hate it. I went took pot edible. Once a real strong one I went to the zoo and it was so depressing staring at the chimps. I've sat across them. Watch the chimp cage. I'm like Oh my God. These things are in hell. There's imprison even keeping little birds in cages like this but the month is our way towards their wailing. Ask some type of Monkey. There was in a smaller cage champs and it was just wailing doing what in Hell Yeah it it is it's brutal. Actually the the stone tools are interesting because again getting to what's it's natural. What's natural for primates is to change their environment to take tools to so what we what we're doing genetic genetic engineering well so once engineering but we're using genetic understand why we why we agent while we don't have to it is natural of course that's what we do all of even all of scientists natural you could even audited an iphone in your pocket is natural shore? Humans have created it exists all over the world. I've I've argued that cities are natural. It's a completely normal the thing for humans to do to create cities to say that cities are unnatural well why they everywhere and why are human beings making a saint beehives or natural to write a close on natural well animal habitat. I mean animals like Beavers Creek beaver dens and they're they're very uniform. They're real similar everywhere. They go exactly yeah yeah the other day I was someone said Humans Tamed Fire Five hundred thousand years ago and I said that copy true five hundred years ago. That's too long ago. I checked it out. It's true and these one even humans these are premium. I think it was probably one of the two species back we've been doing this and changing the environment using tools using fire there for that long the fire went crazy right because it's not just manipulating physical thing. It's changing the state right. You're doing something whether it's with Flint and an you know some something to spark and some tender you're really creating changing the state of matter and we'll continue to do that. We'll continue to evolve and one of the reasons that I wanted to see human. Origins is in my book I talk about. We've evolved to our natural life span without a maximum hundred twenty two is the longest live human that extensively is on record the so without intervention. We've reached their maximum but why not give us what evolution failed to give us. Why can't we be like all the species that are at the top of their game? Are there any factors when you look at the oldest people that are live are there any common factors actually not really they. They do seem to have a collection of gene variants that predispose them to get to that long There's one called Fox three that if if you've done your genome you know we can have a look twenty three and me that you've done it. I should look at it you. You need an A. or not at a certain position I've got one of them out of to my kids got two of my kids out of three have both so they if they look off themselves might have a better chance of living longer but anyway these long-lived people full they tend to long time no matter what they do often they smoke til ninety years old really yeah to quit ninety. There's a few cases of that and they live in other twelve years right right twenty two years right. You said one hundred twenty two years that right. That's one one lady in France but one of my friends here's his name is near Barzilai. He was with me and Israel. He's got a story of when he asked the Centenarian Lady Lady Lady that lives over one hundred that he knew why didn't you quit smoking and she said Oh four doctors. I went to told me to quit smoking and they've all died. That's hilarious. What did she do for a living John Coleman? I forget the French lady. I don't remember what she did. I would imagine that would play a part like how stressful your occupation is yeah. She had a great sense of humor. That was probably part of it. she used to make jokes with reporters Puertas all the time was how many wrinkles do you have She's the only one and I'm sitting on it. The the the other one I think is even better better as a reporter who was young said you know you're one hundred sixteen. I hope I see you next year birthday. She says I don't see why not you seem pretty healthy to me wow and she made it to one twenty. Two now. There been any anecdotal reports that people that live longer well with ruseler biblical like not not unsubstantiated reports because I had heard of some people claim to have lived like ridiculously long long but they've never really figured out whether or not it's accurate sure there's there's a few of those but even even John Comment at two thousand eight hundred twenty two. There's a big argument now between US researchers whether that's even true hell really yeah. It's a massive debate. I've got an inbox full of long angry emails from scientists. What's the evidence point to the contrary that too so the hypothesis is that she her identity was subsumed by her daughter to avoid paying taxes and photos of and there? There's a blotch on photo that matches the daughter so there's a lot of forensics going on and people want to subsume the grave. You've and the French government's not French. Researchers aren't giving up the blood samples. They don't want to know exactly so it's probably worship. Well probably like a hundred years. Could it could be I would say it doesn't actually matter Goddamn French. It doesn't matter people have lived one hundred seventeen and that's still pretty good. That's what we do. You know if it's the Rick and all live that long who's GonNa Complain. Wouldn't you like to get one of them. Old Old old old old people start doing work on them to pump them up with any. Did you get him on a drip. Well my dad's on himself so he's not hundred yet but he's eighty. How's he look well? I wouldn't say looks young but his fitness is like a thirty year old really really he's stronger than me. We tested out in the gym and the other way that's embarrassing. He can lift more. He's fitter. We'll going across the getty and he was leading the charge. If you you saw him if you didn't see his face because he's he's got gray hair and whatever physically put a bag on his head. You'd you'd say thirty away moves people very where to put it back in your downs Hud career. I shouldn't do that sorry but he's he's thirty really well. He's he's reinvigorated in life so in in my family we've got some Eskenazi bad genes. We we tend to die young and my grandmother died. My Grandmother's actually only fifteen years older than my dad and she died. She is ago lost ten years of a life horrible so we know what's going to happen in my family probably to all of us. We don't so your mom. Your grandmother had your father when she was fifteen years old right. WHOA yeah back in the early days of World War Two she apparently was playing around with her boyfriend? She claims to be virgin but at that point something nothing got somewhere that shouldn't have and it was during high school right so I I was raised by my grandmother. She was in a forty when I was a kid and she was the one that taught me to away. Stay young adults ruin everything. That's probably why I work on aging adults ruin everything about how what was her advice. It's like a in terms of like. How do you avoid what adults are doing wrong? Well she she'd grown up during the depression and World War Two you and then the communists came into Hungary and raped a lot of people she had no she had had no respect for humanity so by the time time I came along first of all she put Oliver Energy into to me. I'm I was a spoiled Brat as a kid. So that was wasn't helpful to me I think now as an adult but more importantly she wanted me to do the best I could with my life. She said David do what what you can to make this well to better place. Make sure that you leave this place better than you found. It and that's what I'm trying to do. How what a profound piece of advice for Grandchild Grandchild she she was a rebel she taught me forget the rules right? kind of like you do it all. I'm going my own way and we'll see how this goes she so she went to Australia she she said Fuck your up. I'm Outta here. She went to Australia The furthest place you could find from your never went back she went on Bundy Beach in Sydney in a Bikini Kinney which was rebellious she got taken off the beach by by the police bridge after where back then all the little British thing detainees. Would it down on your knees. I think maybe it was a one piece but on show your belly. That's what I think but she was a rebel she went to New Guinea by a self in the sixties. What year was this where she was wearing a bikini? That'd be fifty-six. You couldn't wear a bikini in the fifties. Wow while okay like those pinup girls right when you see them. They always had one piece suits on yeah so edging New Guinea in the sixties as a woman on a run off in the Highlands highlands she claims to have eaten human flesh and she spent most of the time drunk as well. Did you see that article that was yesterday where they were interviewing and Australian D- And a guy who was a doctor or scientist WHO's talking about climate change and he was saying that we have to start eating human bodies and that human bodies are very nutritious and that we just put them in the ground and it I was reading it. I was like okay is this kind of trolling like what is what is he doing. Here is the completely insane person but his advice was our dependence on me is ruining like in some places where there you know they're stripping the rain forest to make room for cattle grazing. He was saying that we're getting rid a perfectly good meet. Every time we put someone in the ground well we are but but suggest that it sounds insane to me yeah 'cause we throw away how food anyway at place in this country it was a mainstream publication that this guy was talking about like the last thing you want. Encourages people getting used to eating. He's been watching World War Z. May right right yeah. It's just one of those but come on I was I was going assist kind. Just trying to get attention like the seems like such or is it did he was he joking king and it's hard to tell in text you know yeah. Well is sensible on the article but I don't see anything about him. Insane wasting even bodies Mir. It's been more than several articles written on it. Maybe someone extrapolated but the idea was he was saying that people should eat meat and if they want to eat meat they should eat human being because well maybe animal rights activists might be just a near eight-year relatives yeah but you just lasting want want people getting the taste people know right now. I do not need to go that far not yet. Speaking of the food supply one of the things people worry about if we live longer is gonNA run out of food and run out of space and one of the things I had addressed in the book is what really will happen if you do the calculations relations if you look at human history that is not going to happen I'm of the strong belief that we can engineer our way out of just about any problem. probably the only thing we in Genera way out office if we get hit by five mile wide meteorite but everything else I think we're GonNa be you think climate change. We're going to be able to engineer a way out of the well I didn't that we can stop climate climate change at this point. It's definitely happening. you can see it all around but will wipe out no it will. It cost US trillions of dollars year and so I I. I don't think it's going to be the end of us but it's going to be a challenge to to continue to to survive and proliferate as a species he's in the face of all of those costly things and that's the biggest problem of climate change are besides species losses the expense and the euro. There's only certain amount of human capital capital that we have to spend and we money and that's one of the reasons that I'm excited about extending people's health and let's ban is that that'll save tens of trillions in the globe each year and that's money that can be put to combating global warming saving species besides you know wonderful people who donate their are there earnings as well but really to solve the big problems in on the planet. One of them is to solve what are we going to do with all the frail elderly people that are coming right every every year more and more making productive like my father he could be in a nursing home like his mother was whereas now he's hiking in the jungles looking at watching guerrillas with these is five grandkids. How cool is that it? That's pretty cool now. What kind of protocols he on pretty much the same as me other does more exercise so it's a combination of Amen metformin and resveratrol and what kind of exercise I'm not sure if he's protocol we're going to post does that on on social media once short and but I I know it involves a fair amount of aerobic size he does rowing and and walking working upstairs so he managed to climb I think it was forty says and fifty four flights of stairs in fifteen minutes which for an eight year old was this was quite a regular flights of stairs fifteen minutes holy shit young guys phenomenon what what has happened though is that his outlook on life has has changed he was depressed not not just because he was fearful of getting old and my mother was sick at the time but now he's looking forward to another ten years of vigorous life travelling aveling and it you know when you healthy you're happy so when he was depressed? Was He sedentary no no he was depressed because he was worried about his healthy fit. He's GonNa be like all these other friends. Getting frail. com can't walk losing your mind and it hasn't happened to him so he just a few years ago. He went back and started a new career. whoa Oh we talked about this? Last time I believe what what's his new Caribbean he's on a committee that evaluates clinical trials for ethics while which is what you want all the people to use their wisdom and knowledge to excited about something as well something that stimulates you and keeps you going uh-huh and gives you something to be interested in and took about wasting human flesh what a wasted his for someone with that knowledge to die prematurely right. That's the more interesting something to me about. Longevity is look. I'm so much wiser at fifty two. I was at forty two. I just am I make less mistakes are more aware just across the board and I'm wiser forty two than it was at thirty two and at twenty two. I was basically champ so it's like as time goes on you understand how you're interfacing with the world you you communicate with people better you know well how to get by you know what you have to do and what the consequences are of not doing what you have to do in terms of being disciplined and being healthy the and just meditation and making sure you you understand the consequences of not doing the work that you're supposed to do in terms of like the way you feel about yourself your self respect and the way you just feel about like your sense of self satisfaction. It's to me it takes a big hit. When I'm lazy takes a big hit when I don't get things done and I don't expect everybody to do the same things that I do or have the same sort of work ethic or non now now? I don't even say work ethic that implies like some sort of superiority. It's more of just the idea of what you want. Accomplish your your tasks. Everyone has their own idea of what but if you enjoy doing something you're working towards something. I feel like there's more a purpose to life. You have more satisfaction in accomplishing tasks and that's one of the things that's been highlighted when you read books on happiness and studies studies on happiness one of the things that seems to be most important as goal setting goal setting working towards those goals and achieving progress but these are critical components to happiness for human beings and without them with his aimless sort of drifting of life people for the most part obviously everyone's different but for the most part people don't find satisfaction and just an aimless team was sort of drifting existence one hundred percent. I'm I just turned fifty wall. I was over in Africa just before that you know imagine being eighty and healthy the like my dad or hundred of yeah of course I'm so less stressed than I was in my twenties and thirties and anyone who's listening who's in their twenties and thinks that they're you know way better than a fifty year old. I can tell you from experience when I was in my twenties. I thought I knew everything or at least least i. I looked at myself as fifty year old and I thought what an old fart yes yeah. It's not like that at all especially with today's health than fifty year olds are just like they were like a thirty year old was. was you know fifty two year olds like me. When I was twenty? They didn't exist. Maybe Jack Llewellyn right well. It's been talked about. I think it was in the New Yorker that this movie cocoon. I don't know if everyone seen it but it's a it's a pretty interesting movie movie. Where these fifty sixty year olds are we given the Fountain of Youth and they still look old but it was really supposed to be quite funny to see these older people with gray hair? You're jumping in the pool and acting thirty years old but if fifty year old is an old anymore fifty rolls just getting going. That's crazy about it. You know I mean if you see old movie stars from the nineteen sixties when they were like fifty. They looked like they were dead. Men You know like we we're. We're looking GonNa Forget what the movie was but it was a movie where I was like. How old is he? When they made that movie turns out he was forty four? My that guy looks a hundred years old. He's never worked out. He probably smokes cigarettes all day long. Never exercises never drinks. Constantly is looks like a dead man crazy right so so in the future ninety ninety nine fifty four we were talking about laird earlier and layered. I think is fifty five years old and just as fucking fit as a human being can be and he's doing crazy shit where he's he's got this whole exercise routine he does inside the pool where he brings like seventy pound dumbbells and he carries it with one arm and swims across the pool and the other you know he does two-handed dumbbell things the bottom of the pool in leaps the surface catches a breath of air drops back down to the bottom again. Dan leaps the surface wise carrying these dumbbells. I mean just ruthless rigorous exercise at fifty five years old well the there'll be a time when you can't really tell how old somebody is especially when we figure out how to reprogram the body to be young again yeah it's such such a great world when people with eighty years of experience can continue Muda run companies and and be teachers and educate the young people now that there's a bias though against the we've always had this in society and we have to overcome that my dentist was biased against me as a fifty one affects your teeth. You're dead Bro not fixed the money screw it. I'll pay for it to do it as soon as a twenty minute argument do it minutes. It was a lot in fact time ran out and she said final due to just to check because she was heavily reasons. Why shouldn't it'll break off? I have to Polish back your original teeth and and I said look I'm not going to get angry if it doesn't work just just try it and she did it and at first of all she said I have to eat crow after it and then my wife came a week later and she said manual husband's a pain in the ass and actually she's offering this as a service now to people our age yeah trying to make money. I guess it hasn't cracked off and I'm pretty happy with teeth does fix it again right. Why not yes everything and we should do that yeah but here's the problem with with some aspects of medicine when we're young? We don't get the medicines. That'll prevent US getting sick when you're old so drugs like metformin. You're not going to give to a twenty three year old right but when you get old old you don't get the medicines that they give the young when everyone should be treated equally in my view as long as we know it's safe for sure you know there's the cost but some of these treatments it's like metformin. That's probably less than a Dollar Day Cup of coffee and might extend your life spend a couple of coffee for a buck. I get free coffee from from here you Laird Hamilton superfood machine coffees even more expensive than that yeah it's the the the limited idea of what you should or shouldn't do to fix people as they get older older my friend got his ACL torn and he's sixty and said his doctor recommended he just rehab it and don't get fixed. I mean what the fuck talking about. Get it fixed man man. You WanNa have a bum knee that just buckles on you all the time. Go get it fixed six months later. It'd be done like you'll go through the rehab otherwise six months later you still have a shitty he ne- it's like your your call man but just get it fixed bite the bullet go fix it right but his doctors come on Bruce. I'm on Bruce use. Let's be honest where we're at the end of the movie twenty twenty anymore yeah. That's limiting limited so frustrating frustrating to me yeah. I first encountered this. When I was twenty nine actually I want you at twenty nine rap they well? They were no actually this is the problem with the other end of spectrum which is I was too young to get medicine. That could help me when I get older. Oh Wow so is cholesterol medicine the statins and my doctor Said said why. Do you want to get on this drug. I know you've got high cholesterol but you're only twenty nine. Come on and I said look why wait till I get the disease to treat it. Put you know now people people use statins more but in those days statins very controversial though they are they apparently have a huge health hit well. I haven't noticed an and I have high cholesterol and and I think it's worth it but yeah. If if there's nothing wrong with you you wouldn't take them but do you have arterial plaque no not yet. I'm perfectly clear but shouldn't isn't but isn't there some there's there's doctors that are arguing that the idea of high cholesterol that high alerts. LDL HDL good cholesterol bad cholesterol. There's like this sort of uniform. Approach people with high cholesterol need to take something that lows are cholesterol and doctors that I've talked to are saying not necessarily it all it you could be incredibly healthy especially if you're not sedentary with with relatively high cholesterol if everything balances itself of out if appropriate ratio of HDL right do you have the appropriate ratio or is it out of whack now I do but when I was twenty nine I was off the charts. I I had blood that looked more like cream in that's where one of the things apparently were dietary. Cholesterol does make a hit. It does have an effect effect on people with genetic predisposition to high cholesterol and certain ways right. Is that correct right yeah right but changing my diet had a big impact as well. What did you do to do that was different? I went more light lists. I lost weight that helped do intermittent fasting. Yes as much as I can. one of the other guys that was on this tour of Israel with me is Volta longer and he's the arguably the world's expert on this. What a great name isn't that Talion Guy Longo Longo yeah like the Coffee Guy Call in when you got a real problem yeah well? He's he's written a book and he is though probably world's expert in human periodic fasting his everyone who wants to know about the best periodic fasting protocol is there isn't one we don't know yet. We're right on the cost. There haven't been enough studies but there are a few types I go through them in my book so because we won't have time to go through all of it but there's the What is it the eighteen hours so go if you can go skip breakfast lunch? That's a good start. That's what I try to do every day. It's not always possible like when you're in Africa and they feeding massive meals three times a day but the that's what you wanted to be hungry for part of the day or you can go a little more extreme and skipped today's what's the benefit of being hungry great question and and this is what my lab and others figured out in a year to first few years of the twentieth century we figured out that these genes that extend lifespan these genes are activated by being hungry in part by raising levels which we amend will mimic the effect effect of so being hungry actually raises your life span and some sort of way right so caloric restriction is what we used to talk about a lot if you restrict restrict the calories of a rat was actually discovered back in the early twentieth century will make them live up to thirty percent longer not in an old state but it prevents them getting old so for the redstone get cancer heart disease these other good things and that was the only thing that we knew up until about twenty years ago even ten probably and so we had to be hungry all the time and there was a still is a a society calorie restriction society and they were hungry all the time that very very small meals which is pretty tough. I tried that and gave up after a week but this new paradigm is that you don't have to always be hungry similar to you don't always have to be on on a treadmill. You can do it for short time. Make it intense and then you can let your body recover and go back to a normal life for a little bit and that's great news that means is that we can have the ALKA needed to so to speak as long as the cake doesn't have a lot of sugar in it and now when you are on this protocol of restricted restricted eating plus metformin. When do you take what and Wendy exercise and how do you balance it out like what Wendy you know what to do what I use my buddy guy? You know now that I'm fifty. I have a pretty good like you you know you know how your body feels and reacts also measuring it a rain that that matches my pulse and my sleep is that the aura yeah yeah we saw that a oh you oh you are yep that isn't Kevin rose rose a part of that company's yeah okay from DIG DIG DOT com. You don't know DIG Nah. I'm sorry it's a good place to go. Find Cool Shit Dig DOT COM shadow today. Yeah I go there every day because real interesting stories on the Internet and you're always finding cool weird weird videos and just fastening science stories human nature human interest stories sounds good. I have a watch what kind of watch using the Apple Watch okay. How does that measure by the way they just release Apple Watch five today? Who apparently it's better? You might want to get it. Was it do what is the Apple Watch do. How's IT well changes songs in my head tells the time occasionally really but yeah what's useful with it is a pulse and activity and if I haven't moved enough during the day I've got a standing desk and that's been helpful cool to make move around a little bit more but mainly it's an occasional blood test to make sure that my body is optimized? as best I can personalized and using illustrations you read the data of your watch like how do you read it. What would application using nothing special just on my phone have a look okay so you just have a look? Look what you're resting heart. Rate is how much activity how far you're walking how many calories you're burning that kind of deal yeah yeah pretty simple. and I'm happy to say my resting heart rates really low which means you know things are going okay so far for me. Even though I don't do enough exercise as you rightly point out they might resting heart rates. It's forty-six. That's very good. It pretty amazing for the belly does exercise yeah. You must have good genetics. Obviously do your dad's in phenomenal shape at eighty I mean I know we have terrible genetic so well. How's he in such great shape at eighty well we don't know but but it could be he's been excising and he's also been on this part time? so one of the S- The effect mice at least of which is what we're taking his improve blood flow you get benefits of exercise without having to excise in if your mouse awesome those mice that are running on a treadmill for fifty percent further because the blood flow into lactate was reduced really so maybe that's happening with that's incredible now now. What is the difference between the effects of an and I the NASD which is very popular? There's people that take ivy live in a D and I've I've never done it but we've talked about doing it many times and having brought in here and sometimes people do it and they do it very quickly way. Do It only takes ten minutes but it hurts like hell apparently gives you like stomach noughts and you feel terrible right all right. I haven't admitted publicly that I've done it do it but I but I try everything once up that microphone I try everything once and so I was out here in L. A. I gave it a the shots so to speak yeah was it it was fine. It was fine now. Let's get to the science a minute but what I found was so it was shot out in the but with so why didn't they do it intravenously. I thought that was the moved to the intramuscularly right. This doctor is experimenting any Jesus Yeah it was it was a friend of a friend so I had a I got an idea came air yeah but here's the thing it felt I had tangled in my legs. I felt a little different for a few minutes. Maybe ten minutes and then it went away but the science we don't don't know yet. We're still trying to figure out if that actually works on not so instead I'm taking the molecule that we've studied in my lab which has taken as a pill now there are a lot of the people that swear by the IV version of any D. and when they do it intravenously. Apparently you feel phenomenal. There's quite a few people I I know my friend. Kyle Kingsbury is done it several times and he's very big on the latest and the greatest of health crazes well. I know it's being used widely especially down in Florida to treat addiction and a day interesting and I get emails all the time which is best but you know I'm a scientist. I'm at Harvard Medical School so I have to always be based on facts and the fact is we don't know if it works yet right anecdotes or anecdotes. My father's story is not a clinical trial right. We need to do more but what's interesting about this. Field is that because people have accessed information through podcast like yours and through the Internet now that papers you can go to what's called pubmed central Central and fine papers people educating themselves just like scientists used to and they can go to the doctor. Go to the Internet and try the experiments on themselves now. I don't condone that icon. I'm a researcher not a doctor but I find it really interesting that were in a new phase of society. The people can learn more in many cases than the doctors actually not sure in particular when it comes to attrition because that's one of the things that I've found it's shocking when you talk to some doctors and you talk to them about nutrition particularly supplementation and they'll say things like well. You can get everything from a good diet might. Can you really really can you really like how much time did you spend school motherfucker like. How much time did you studying nutrition? This is nonsense talk. You can get everything from a good die. What's a good diet? Tell me what a good diet. Is that good diet. How are you getting that vitamin B? Twelve and high doses what do you. Where are you getting your see where you're getting your d three? What are you getting Where are you getting your essential fatty acid? What's the what's optimal level of essential fatty acids and they don't have a fucking clue? They're talking about you know there's so many doctors that go through their entire medical worth a peek surgeons or what have you they go through their entire medical school with like maybe four or five hours of nutrition research right. I'll have to be careful what I say okay. I work at the medical school but I do. I love doctors. Don't get me wrong but we need them. We we're not going to do surgery on ourselves right. that said some doctors will listen to the patients patients and do research. Those are the great doctors that actually stay on top of things but it's really hard right. They're already working twelve fourteen hours a day so let let's you doctors plus. They have to work within the insurance system. Throwing problem that I have is when they say things like you get everything you need. Whether you remember three square meals a day bullshit to ensure your followed all the food pyramid and eat a lot of grain right right over that well and donate eggs. Don't drink milk awareness eight margarine hilarious milk is a sketch. Hd thing quite honestly because you drink in his dead liquid. It's been marginalized and pasteurized and I find my body reacts very differently to raw on milk than it does to milk that is been processed. I wonder if anyone's studied the microbiome that might be helpful to just makes sense that it's got all the enzymes enzymes in it. It's all that's how the human being or a body any any animals to naturally process that milk yeah. I guess it's mostly sterile yeah but yeah I use whole milk in my day. It's surprising right because I'm trying to avoid calories but the benefits in taste and how I feel that Yoga I make myself outside of whole milk that make yogurt yeah wow man. Why don't you buy your so short on time? What are you doing making making your own butter to you when them Turner's yeah well you know we all have our hobbies one of my hobbies we already know he's the problem? I got so hooked on this type type of yogurt which I I made for my son trying to help him. He has a weight and eating issue. I was thinking that would help him but I got addicted to the Yoga and so does everyone in my family now so if I don't make the Yoga they're like dad whereas the Yoga Oh no kidding so how do you do it all. It's really easy you get packets. There's three different packets rip them up and put him in whole milk. Shake it and stick it in the the oven on defrost for twenty hours really on the any I've been so what does defrost like what temperatures thirty five Celsius whatever that is a ninety five ninety ninety five so you're using like a Dutch oven or something. It's like that but I mean in terms of the pan the put you mean what's the bottle yes it's just a lodge mason jar okay and just heating it up with the probiotics inside of it bacteria inside it. It just starts to coalesce yeah and I've perfected the first few ones were were not great but now it works every time and actually the protocol on the internet said you have to boil it made the temperature. Get it all right. Sterilize it and is portrayed right in shake it's to get in. It's fine really yeah so far. did you ever get it. I know you're a scientist you WANNA send in a Little Cup of it to somebody and go. Hey man take a look at this. What are you worried about? I don't look I'm not worried at all. I'm just curious as to whether like how potent is there's various levels of you know acid office that you're getting from from yogurt research before I started and this is a company that makes a yoga. Get that that matches a healthy microbiome the only one I'm aware of that's great and you use whole milk. You don't use raw milk right but I didn't have good access to raw milkweed. He get LACO health food store like sprouts or something like that. Yeah I think they have it at Airw- John. Maybe whole foods has it. It's a it's really tricky because you it's not even legal in some places to have whole milk in fact people I've been arrested and just locked up for having whole milk. Yes Google Google that 'cause it's pretty preposterous when you think about how easy season is to buy whiskey right and then think about people buying whole milk that whole milk is apparently for some people it might have to something to do with author skirting. FDA regulations and things along those lines it gets very complicated for sure and then there's the reason for homogenization pasteurization asterisk obviously health right. We're trying to protect people in also shelf-life stays on the shelf longer but I've definitely bought it is a small aw what is it called a small group food group raw food club. They had they were rated in two thousand and eleven for sharing raw milk or something the latest raw milk raid an attack on food freedom federal agents Organiz a sting operation against a tiny raw milk buying club job and ignore more serious food safety concerns yeah like twinkies chips I mean how hard is it like you can. I'm sure get poop food poisoning reasoning from spoiled milk right but isn't spoiled milk yogurt ultimately right his what I do with food if it stinks I don't need it. Ah Good Move Bro Yeah. I think milk your smell pretty quickly. If it's bad this involved unwashed room temperature eggs the other count- unwashed room temperature eggs a storage method Rawson members prefer by the way when we had chickens for these nasty coyotes killed all my chickens we he would store our eggs at room temperature we put them in a bowl we would wash the outside of the egg and put them in a bowl and they would sit on the counter and I was eating them. All Day. Long nothing happen healthiest fuck Asians dumped gallons of raw milk and fill the large flatbed with the seized food including coconuts we seizure fucking coconuts watermelons and frozen buffalo meat. What the fuck like what is this agents who who are these assholes that are getting paid government money from our taxes to steal frozen frozen meat Jesus Christ Christopher Darden who helped prosecute? OJ Simpson appeared at Stewart's arraignment just in time to lower his bail all right so Christopher Darden is out there helping people whatever gross just to grow. I mean I don't think you should you know we should somehow or another find out whether there's a way to test if this raw milk is fresh enough for people to eat but it is people live on farms have been drinking raw milk since the beginning of time. It's normal and healthy tastes better. It's it's way easier for you to digest like I get a little weird. When I drink like straight? Ah I have milk and cookies which I love I don't know what may cookies milk I might be four shit here now. I'm thinking about it. The cookies might be what's messing with my stomach. I don't think so though 'cause you get this feeling from the milk like a it's probably both now think about. It's both well in France you get the beyond pasteurised cheese. Yes mark used to bring it back in his luggage. He would smuggle back for Orrock Lot. You know what that is. It's like a dish that he would make with meat and cheese. That's good but I don't hear the French dying in droves. They seem to the healthiest fuck and they're not as fat right yeah. They're bred is better. They have bread that is not from the their. They don't have modern wheat so the wheat that they have is not engineered to have more complex gluten and higher yield like we do so we don't vibrate in my family. My wife makes it nice yeah and so yeah the yeast is even wild. She got that from Belgium friend of ours hung- hung hung some what is it some some stuff in a tree collected the east brought it back to the US and really shared it with us caught it like caught some east well. He put some dough wet dough up in a tree and left it there for a few days and caught this wild yeast up in the forest. Apparently it only occurs he he claims but we have the best bread at home. It's crunchy on it. You break it open. I mean I'm trying to avoid cops and this is the hardest thing when you get home in the breads has come out of the oven. Y You avoiding carbs well. I'm trying to keep my blood glucose levels steady not spike too much. That's pretty clear that that's not healthy and just dating a bunch of parade will be a good way to spike that one of the things that I've heard about the French and Italians in general is that they eat their bread with either butter or olive oil oil and that these healthy fats that you're getting along with the bread is one of the reasons why it doesn't have the same sort of health hit and then just the complex gluten so you know the the engineered we that we have fit when you eat pasta in Italy. It has a different effect on your body just feels different yeah exactly so there are a number of people that I know maybe people you know to who are putting glucose monitors on their arm here to see what foods react to wrote a Patrick's been doing this for a while and actually I asked her what about what's the worst food you've seen in your body to Spike Mike because she said gripes avoid grapes real avoid grapes yeah. I wish I had lost that so now counterintuitive right you think you're reading healthy when you're having some fruit as I said well. What was the biggest surprise she said potatoes on so bad well? There's a thing that you could do with potatoes right where you boil them and then Dan cool them off and then reheat them and apparently has a profound effect on the way it impacts your blood sugar levels. That's far healthier when in you there's some sort of a process to find out what that process was. Who explained that to us? Do you remember was it ron probably was ninety nine percent of my nutrition holiday August Rhonda Packer Patrick but I I believe it's something to do with the way the potato reacts to being broiled and then chilled and then reheated again something about it so the starches are less available somehow somehow and it has a much more healthy effect on your blood glucose levels and doesn't spike you in the way that just a straight up baked potato would be coming from Chris Chris. Even that's the other one percent might attrition. Knowledge is probably not it was probably like sixty forty potatoes for gut health and in weight-loss the potato hacks says potato interventionist short-term tool the check the reactivity of the gut to resistant starch reset the head-on IQ system create create Mount Metabolic Flexibility Resolve inflammatory conditions and provide the patient with an empowerment tool to increase the fat loss of their dietary plan. It's not meant as a standalone diet but rather a dietary tooled decrease hunger Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah scroll up there so we could find out what the fuck the Potato Hackett akkas explanation poor potato has been maligned did did did do here's an explanation of Functional Medicine Chris crusher on the Joe Rogan show Friday that screw scroll up magic of this plan leases clinical efficacy. The amount of resistant starch resistant starch type of starts aren't that is indigestible to us but feeds microbiome when a potato is heated and then cooled a significant amount of starch is retrograded into resistant distant starch. This means that the effect on blood sugar is greatly dampen. The potato can be even be reheated and it will still retain its resistant assistant starch content the nourishment to our gut buy ohm and the subsequent metabolic benefits cannot be overstated. I've seen this be crucial in some patients who have stalled on a low carb or kito eating plan but still have significant body fat left to lose historically resistant starch starch would have been present in most roots tubers unripe bananas plantains etc but is often devoid in our current diets. Let's Chris Crash in the house. Yeah well you go so when I was in Africa. You reminded me they a lot of blueberries and so these colored foods are also good date virtual comes on when yams dark things right well yeah leafy vegetables but also fruits that are very colored colorful so why why is that why is that well. I'm glad you asked the so we have this idea called Zeno her nieces and it's a terrible name for something that's quite simple and that is that these molecules from plants produce to make plans healthier these stress Response Chemicals and with you stress plans they turn colored turn on a UV lamp will put a plant in Assan. It'll turn reddish. You know those of stress chemicals to survive and I believe that we've evolved to sense those chemicals in our food supply so we're attracted to juicy red tomatoes as opposed to Pale two males. Well not just just to try to it. I think we're attracted to it 'cause they're colorful but what our bodies get out of it is that these chemicals go into our bloodstream and they turn on our defenses against disease sees to survive. Why is that good? Why did that evolve or potentially evolve? It's I think because when our food supply was stressed we need to get ready for adversity because we probably run out of food and if you're a bird or some other dumb animal dumb or you're going to see so how you GonNa know if your food food supplies GONNA run out you've got no it chemically so these chemicals are a heads up that adversity is coming so a lot of these chemicals through say red wine which which is stressed grapes and other things like that blueberries these chemicals. They're not probably not working mainly through antioxidant activity they giving us. This stress heads up isn't there. There's that's a controversial thing red wine. Thing correct like whether or not read bond is the the actual compound of reservoir tall is where we're getting our benefit from 'cause it's apparently a very small amount of reservoir trawling red wine. Yes sure a really controversial except when people exaggerate and say that it's always virtual trolls a component of dozens of healthy molecules in red wine Corson which is good for a number of things there's a whole bunch of polyphenyls they called and virtual part of that cocktail what is the process because we're talking about grapes themselves with the high shirt content actually being something we should avoid right so donate the grades but but whine if you don't have too much of it we'll have a concentrated amount out of these Zeno hermetic molecules likewise virtual and of course it isn't apparent in red wine. It's really only in red wine white like why insist for chicks right off the healthy. Actually that's a joke from my friend Bud yeah you'll get in trouble and I thought well no it's just for my friend but he love white wine on my test rejects Bro. I'm joking folks. Just jokes. Don't get a touchy yeah so so you don't need to so when when we treated mice with ours virtual they were immune to the effect of high fat Diet Western night and we've traced this down to a single genetic pathway that we work on these tunes. I talked about these responsive pathways really so they were immune to eating shitty food like the negative aspects of eating shitty food yeah this was two thousand doesn't three that's why it hit all the newspapers because it was the first molecule that was safe and could mimic the effect of fasting or caloric restriction without actually having to be hungry. Wow Wow and what kind of dose giving these mice was equivalent of about two hundred fifty milligrams a day in a human okay so is one quarter of what you recommend people take right. I don't recommend people take anything but okay well. You Take Ryan. What's your said Yeah? I'll recommendation. Sorry folks yeah. I'm taking a high dose because I've looked human clinical data and I think that a high dose may be required to have an even better effect on longevity but the the results are very clear when we opened up these mice maybe I shouldn't have said that when we examine this is carefully put them to put them to sleep for scientific purposes it was clear that they they were healthier now. They were still fat that was interesting that was still fats. We figured the experimental work but their arteries were cleaned. Livers were like healthy lean young mouse and when we looked at their metabolism it was like a younger mouse so let me ask you this then because you're you take statins if you are fairly convince because the research of the positive benefits of resveratrol in healthy aging Ching and healthy metabolism in their arteries why you taking statins because you know that there are some negative effects of statins right well well if I had five lifetimes. I'd probably try that experiment okay. I don't WanNa you just don't want to risk it. Yeah is there enough. I mean if you look through the papers. The the research papers is on on statins and a little bit there is some correlations with dementia and the brain does need cholesterol so that that might be one of the problems. Is You down on Stanton's. Yes really we have a whole bunch of genes that predispose twenty-three meet said basically give up now. Wow It's pretty pretty horrible so yeah if I make it to eighty doing pretty well thing interesting because boarding when he was alive he had made a decision to take statins versus change his diet. This is before energy to when he was traveling during the world and eating the finest foods and drinking wine to excess every night joined shut out of it we had conversation about it. It's like I would rather eat. Well said I'd rather eat well and take these drugs because I know the side effects another dangerous so then we have a conversation maybe two years later he gets really energy Jitsu his wife at the time was into Jitsu and you know she had convinced him to try it and he went and tried it and immediately got hooked and he has or he had an addictive background. You know I was heroin and some other unfortunate substances and then cigarettes cigarettes for a while he quit that and then Jujitsu became his new addiction and he got ripped. I mean he really I think he started training fifty eight or fifty nine started and then by the time he was sixty two full six pack was crazy to see like I can look you man. This is nuts. I is an image of him. Walking down the street I mean he has no shirt on and these fucking shredded got off. All the STATINS got off. Everything thing is changed his whole his issue with cholesterol yeah good on him just through. I should try yeah a little bit ashamed shame. There haven't been able to get off the statins but they just scare me mad. I've just read too many things. Well you know I I could have gone off when I was on a really lean diet. I I tried this Okinawa Diet from Okinawa Okinawa so just fish mostly and and and Tofu how ago I was great but then I had kids oh you conflict Tofu kids everyday right. You can't have separate food just for yourself now. Although I understand yeah you're yeah that's the thing is like you are so oh limited by time. You know you're such an involved research schedule on life scheduling travel schedule. I'm a pretty average guy. I'm not militant send about what I I. Try My best every day to to do what I can but the staten thing I just haven't had the chance to do it but virtual I don't think is sufficient to keep these cholesterol levels down so combination so when you first got on how long you been on Stanton's since twenty nine oh wow so you really have been on them for twenty twenty one years not only that super high dose eighty milligrams. What's a normal dose ten? That's crazy yeah. My doctor wanted the best Harvard. looked at my genetics and said you're fucked. y'All got all the wrong jeans. He's tiny little particles ones. That Oxford is so the fact that my arteries apparently cleaness is good good news for me well. That's good news like I said look good. Thanks I mean obviously there's a lot of biodiversity versity when it comes to human beings and some things that are bad for others good for some well. I'm not losing my mind yet still pretty functional when it starts slipping away. What are you gonNA do ask you? Why for your friends or what are you gonNA do? What am I gonNa do with Your Dad's WanNa tell you could have right? He's he's eighty five's my diapers David Yasmine same question three times in a row the way it's going that could definitely happen well. What do you get a lot of sleep? Do now now that I'm wondering yeah what's a Lotta sleep for you between six and seven house Oh let's go to the Doctor Matthew Walker was a guy that I had on my podcasts who study sleep and he was fascinating and it changed my entire opinion opinion about what's necessary. There's a direct correlation between limited amounts of sleep and Alzheimer's direct correlation. He's like it's one of the most established links he could see between the disease and a cause. I yes quoting. It's an association won. You know scientists always have to be skeptical shores to whether other if you're pro propose Alzheimer's you have trouble sleeping. Oh and you start taking ambien now. People say well Ambien Alzheimer's a correlated yeah well yeah. Maybe it's the other way round. Yeah amion scares the Shit Outta me you don't take that do tiny bits ooh that stuff's not because people take it and they say things. They don't know what they're saying. Right will recommend a dose at least it used to be for men is ten milligrams which is massive. I nibble on. I'd take maybe milligram just to not off if I'm desperate jetlagged but yeah I P doctors. Many I know say the ten milligrams is probably too high but check with your doctor well. The math you walker says stay the fuck away from that stuff period. He said you're not getting real sleep. Anyway you not going in through full sleep cycles just dragging your brain into a state of unconsciousness probably with ten milligrams that make sense for me because I'm monitoring it. I know that I'm getting good deep sleep and have you tried other like Melatonin things on those on Russia so not effective not as much sometimes Melatonin with milligram of Abbey is necessary but a big change for me has been just. I don't stay up watching TV. Get the screens off with losses. They really help. The screens are watching those goddamn screens before you go to bed what I love doing it though I love watching TV show before I go to sleep. It's probably the worst time to do it though right yeah it. Is it really I mean you can watch the show is just put the yellow glasses on blue light emitting blocking glasses one of my sponsors movement watches they have the blue light emitting glasses need to get those locking emitting blot blocking blue light blocking yeah yeah not emitting glass you know blocking blue light-emitting cygnus yeah when you have blue light emitting glasses too that'd be good really well for the middle of winter getting depressed you. What were you live or is no no real middle of winter here buddy where you used to live to ninety five right? Yes it's pretty tragic meal winter. I WANNA kill myself that seasonal seasonal affective disorder sure yeah yeah because I'm working indoors and let's see son for months. Well that grey sky when it's every day's days gray over and over again you see no real sky for so long. It's so weird. I Miss Australia for that reason. I get reinvigorated if I come out to. La and it's blue sky you really feel different. Oh for sure there's a reason why this fucking billion people out here but what is your strategy for mitigating the the impact of seasonal affective disorder what I do try to go outdoors and get some sun in my eyes when I can take vitamin the officer different. I seems to have helped make a different yeah so you vitamin D th it's it's questionable whether it's as healthy as people thought it was that said I think it worse doesn't hurt you. Some people do sunlamps for that reason. They'll they'll go to a tanning booth for the reason they will actually found this season. I went to the sonar in the cold shock bath and that really helped a lot. I don't know if it's related but I needed to shock doc my body in the middle of winter if you're sitting by a fire and barely moving around I just felt like it was a second shift and so a lot of people get fat in the winter two. Let's other thing they just. They're getting doors because it sucks outside and they never went up doing anything and then you dealing dealing with the depression of being a little bit heavier to offshore and then you you you drinking by the mile on stuff but it's all about shock your body get your body out of complacency and out lifestyle everything we do everything we buy everything on TV TV. That's being advertised to make life better is shortening your lifespan by making it easier for our bodies to exist. You don't want that you gotTA stress it yeah. What other things do you think that people should be doing on a daily basis that most folks aren't well? We covered a lot so there's the the be hungry. Get the exercise. there's all sorts of exercise which could the main ones are stretching and running and and lifting okay cold and Hot. We've talked about and then there's the supplements that mimic the benefits of those plus probably more things that's my that's my regiment that some other little tidbits that I put in my book which to laundry list of things that I found were for me but those are the main things you've covered This is probably pretty boring but I'll say it again. we're sunscreen for two reasons. I mean you look better anyway. not the probably young people care but will make a difference by the time you're our age but also because DNA damage does age you we think that it's breaking the chromosomes and that's the major driver of aging that son will do that xrays. We'll do that. maybe even put scatters a suddenly I'm not a real devotee of getting scanned. I thought they were radio. Waves are the the millimeter and they penetrate very deeply so they're probably not too bad but looked into it's about the same radiation as you get on the flight and given that I'm doing probably million miles a year. I don't WanNA double the amount of exposure so when you go through that radio scanner then the more modern modern. TSA scanners they give you the same amount of radiation as a flight because a flight gives you the same amount of radiation multiple xrays right. Is it the other thing. Is that bad. I believe it okay well. Let's let's find out. How much radiation do you get on a five hour flight and is it comparable to multiple xrays because I believe that's what I read? The xrays I can save definitively based on our research would aged tissues doing too well. It's breaking your chromosome and causing that clock that was talking about earlier that biological clock to accelerate celebrate. Is there something you can do to mitigate that. If you know you have to get an x ray should do something right afterwards potentially potentially you could take an amend which tweak showing in mile in mice protect against the effects of radiation and that's one of the things we've talked to NASA About for getting tomorrow back safely when I'm on a flight I take cement in the expectation that it's going to boost my body's ability to prevent those changes to the clock now. Is there a commercially available that that you would suggest if someone wants to purchase it somewhere also I don't divulge company names and there's two reasons for that one is tested them so actually literally don't know but the other is that you know I want to stay above the fray Marson get involved but it but there are if people people want to go google and go look online they can find commercially available right so yeah again a got number of pages in the book on that so it's it's all laid out but own summary This right here ladies and gentlemen looking at life span why we age and why we don't have to thanks you. NPR Voice Yeah you can donate if you enjoy programming like this put him to sleep. That's the way do man something happened with people. They thought to be intelligent. You have to talk like you're ready to put people to sleep. It's time to get sleepy anyway so the enemy so there were people who selling it on the Internet just just to get the facts straight sell anything I understand my name's all over the Internet. If you see my name with a company it's BS beautiful. Let's good anyway so the enemy and there are companies that sell it's more expensive than another molecule all killed related called. NR nicotinamide riboside which is also what the body can use to boost energy levels and that's a little bit cheaper and they both been shown in animals to be to boost the SORTA Johns and help those animals be healthier in old age in reverse some aspects of aging like endurance. It's loss of insurance that kind of thing protect protect the I protect hearing as well so that we don't know if it works in humans that let's be honest. I don't know if these things work but let's also be honest. We know it's GonNa Happen if we don't do anything and that's not pretty either. Do you have any high hopes for things like crisper things where there's going to be genetic alterations and they are starting to do some experience. You have a big smile on your face so let you talk. Tell me what's up well. Well so I'm a geneticist. I'm just down the hall from George Church. He's in my department at Harvard and I'm a big believer in Crisper in the sense that it will revolutionize medicine now right now. Explain it to people don't know what trains so crisper is an acronym for basically a a system that is from bacteria that they use to kill and destroy the DNA of invading organisms like a virus but we can now use use that system to cut and change our own genomes. It's basically a DNA cutting enzyme. That doesn't cut randomly you you can give it a bar code in the form of what's called a molecule that tells way that enzyme will cut in the genome. Let's say you Joe Rogan have a a terrible gene. That's causing heart disease. We take this crisper system. We say here's what you need to go to cut. We can tell the enzyme to go and cut it. Put into your cells. It'll go cut it and destroy that enzyme and deleted and you can also use it to cut the gentlemen insert new pieces so you can both subtract attract an ad. DNA will now not just randomly but what's important is you can tell it where to go and that's the big breakthrough and they're doing some experiments on human beings. I know there was something that they were doing a beliefs somewhere in Asia for remember correctly. I believe it was China China where they had done some manipulation to people to help prevent AIDS and in the process of doing so they may have boosted intelligence or the potential for intelligence which was so convoluted that my puny little brain and understand the study I was I'd go over the same paragraph like four or five times just trying to figure out what the fuck they were saying. Am I making any sense yeah you are you are and that was a study that that I don't believe it's been published but it's been reported that he is his name his last name is he he took a embryos and engineered them to delete elite. CCR five gene which is required for HIV to infect cells now that was we can we most of US scientists think that that was reckless for the fact that fissile HIV isn't a huge risk in China one in one thousand chance of getting HIV. There are plenty of other things that you could do that could be more helpful. Let's say why not mutate what's called Canine to prevent heart disease which would probably have fifty percent to kill the boys boy so anyway it wasn't the most risk benefit ratio modification that that's one thing but the other is. We don't know what happens when you cut genes in Embryos Orios. Does it have changes to the clock. Did it accelerate their aging mess with the jeans did it cut in other places and screw up those gene. We don't know that yet and so that's why the scientific community had negative reaction to it but what's interesting is that the scientific community and the press has pretty much gone quiet on this imagine and if this happened during the Bush era we'd we'd have protesters all over the place it'd be outlawed and that hasn't happened and I think it's because we live in a world with a twenty four hour news cycle but isn't that also because it's is being if it was during the bush world I mean where the protests would really take place if it was done here the thing about things that are done China or overseas like It's like it's so far away like well. Let's keep an eye on them. That's true there is the fear that that some countries going to engineer an army of soup volumes. I mean we have the technology to do that right now. Yeah we believe we understand how to slow aging. there are genes that predispose you to to long life we could make offspring a family that would potentially live a lot longer but it's something that can only be manipulated in embryos or in fetuses nor now we can do it in adults actually there's there's a there are drugs that are in development to actually correct genetic diseases such as vision loss really through my eyes are gone. I could barely read like print a laptop. I I need glasses to my laptop all right so so we just put up a study howdy online on cycle bio archive anyone can go there and see just google my name and Bio Archive B. I. O. R. X. I the reason reason that's interesting. Is that what we're showing is in mice. At least we can reverse the age of the retina and restore the vision of old mice. What do I have to I do well? I think you have to blow me. If you come on man lose your job let you gotTa let me crack those kind of jokes. Sorry all right how of it I was joking. I started it folks yeah. It's not his fault. What so what what would someone I mean? Is this going to be available to the general general public anytime in our lifetime. I try my best we're hoping to do clinical trials starting in two years from now real and what would you do in those clinical trials trials us. We'd reprogram the I to be young again so we now know that there's a set of genes called reprogramming factors also known as Yamanaka factors that from named after this Japanese fellow who won the Nobel Prize two thousand twelve these factors. I used all over the world even probably in in high schools to reprogram skin cells are the cells to be we call pluripotent stem cells these cells it can be used to make new organs or you blood cells but what people hadn't tried until recently was. Can you do this in a living animal or he just GonNa mess it up and what we found out. Is that if you do it the wrong way you mess up the animal and it'll die but what we saw in for the first time in in this paper is you can do it in a Safeway and normally that reverse the clock make the cells young and restore how they work and get back vision and what's the methodology right good question so the the the current method is using a virus. That's on the market. these are called. ABC's at Denno associated the viruses you put them in the eye. They're already patients getting this in on the market really yes spock. Therapeutics is an example of a company that is curing genetic diseases in in the eye with viruses. We're in a new world. Most people don't know about it. Wow so what is the company again Jamie up this sparked genetic. Jamie's already got it Bam mother fucker Jamie Vernon in the house so these folks are already doing this to people so is this for people that are sort of desperate sprit and they'll try something experimental right well the desperate in the sense that there's no other choice no other cure. I mean we're now curing genetic diseases. Someone was just treated and cured of sickle cell anemia. That's phenomenal and you know I learned that comes from malaria right. That was the idea that people were the resistance to malaria was that trait from people that evolved in the area where they would get malaria who's also what led to people getting sickle cell correct correct so I learned that from Tiffany Haddish by the way Mason Tiffany Charles tiffany that Lux tournus stuff is this something that someone like me can take right now. no not easily your doctor would need to prescribe it and so if he did prescribe it I could literally get vision back well. This is not the same technology that I'm talking about it for my listeners inherited retinal diseases our commitment to our IRD's this gene replacement placement not not reprogramming the body to be young but it's the same virus that we'd use to correct so they're using this for certain retinal diseases seasons or they're correcting it now. How is this bacteria fixing your vision with viruses adjust to get the genes into who sells that's all these are benign viruses? They don't hurt you but carrier and maybe eventually we'll have other ways to do this but right now the virus is the best way and and in the mice to restore the vision we have this three gene combination of these Yamanaka reprogramming genes we put them into the I and then we turn them on with drug in fact the same drug that I took when I was in Africa called doxycycline is the same drug we can feed to the mice turned on the reprogramming genes for a few weeks restores their vision and back to a young mouse and then we take away the doxycycline antibiotic and mice have the vision back and how long does it take Ford starts deteriorating. We don't know yet but because the age of the cells has gone back those young is again so you might have a whole full cycle from like twenty or ten to forty years old again. That's the future that you'll get delivery of this virus. You'll take antibiotics botic for few weeks be fully rejuvenated and the doctor says come back in a couple of decades will fix you again. We'll give you some antibiotic and a couple of decades but then it gets really wait if you have if if you engineer your children to have the system if that ever happens let's imagine it could we could do this right now with technology and you have people engineered to be able to be reversed versed in their age or let's say the have an accident and they're optic nerve gets damaged or the they lose the hearing from Obama something that spinal injury give them a dose the idea of antibiotics and they become just like an embryo they can rejuvenate they can regrow their optic nerve rico their spine fixed back back like new the the vision thing. Do you think that we're gonNA see that in our lifetimes I mean is this something that you're GonNa see. That's going to be available to the general public while so so I've got I'm an entrepreneur corner as we discussed before and also one of the companies that I've started is exactly that raised money to be able to make this virus. We're making it now takes a few million bucks and we'll hopefully with the. FDA approval injected into people's is now I at one just be guys like you first of all we have to go into an area where it's. FDA approval which is a disease like Glaucoma which pressure in the eye or macular degeneration. That's how I goal and then if it's safe why why not do old is wow that's incredible what about with injuries yeah well yeah you could theoretically put it into the spinal cord or given given IV but people with injuries. Oh for short so one of the things we also did in this paper that we've put online is we pinched the optic nerve and what what normally happens. Is it just a grades I mean back right unless your baby mouse or baby human but we made though so young that the optic nerve grew back to the brain. Oh wow first time that's been able Taino. Guy Haven't from fighting. He's got a detached retina detached so bad that his vision is right is extremely poor shout Michael Bispinck Do you think that that's something that inside of his lifetime they could see something. Use of this technology that can regenerate is I well. I get get a lot of emails so I'm not really trying to over promise anything what I what I think is possible is that initially will be used for disease. a chronic disease then it'll be used for injuries like like that but fresh injuries. I think it's probably play to work better if it's fresh. I don't know where this technology's going. I can imagine a lot we can all imagine that you could get vision back and people walking again but that's why these technologies going we only so I describe the discovery in the book as actually what happened while I was writing the book is making these discoveries now remarkable and so we I wrote them down in the book as we went along so people can see how it feels to be a scientist to make these discoveries up but it's only been a year or less that we've known about this so imagine fifty from now what we can do even ten. It's going to be a remarkable computer. It's very exciting. What kind of timeline are you anticipating for bringing this to you know people with injuries well injuries injuries already? We have a study plan for spinal injury in mice and that we'll probably know the results in less than a year and then we now as fast as the. FDA ALLOWS US go into clinical trial. Now is the same scenario applicable for people spiner spinal injuries as vision like people that have more recent spinal injury were more likely candidates than people that have had older spinal injury. I think so that would just be my guest that it's easy to fix a recent isn't recently damaged system anything in the body that's fresh but I wouldn't rule out anything when we when I discovered this experiment was to have a fresh Russian Jewry the pinching of the optic nerve but then I said to my student why don't you just try old mice and he said come on old mice you kidding me. How's that GONNA work? Just try just try it so he did did it and in collaboration with another lab at Harvard so that they're the experts and Bruce Cassandra's his name so bruce called me professor at Hopkins Ten thirty at night. It just got off the plane. He said David you wouldn't believe it. I didn't believe it. I just looked at the data. It frigging worked old my sing again. He said I want to go down to the. FDA and tell helm about it because right now I disease typically only can do is slow them down in his actually reversal of loss function noses supply injuries as well. I believe old injuries. He's just old macular degeneration we haven't tried old injuries but Michael we've done glaucoma which is an old injury okay so theoretically what we could do is at least with the existing nodes if they're still attached we should be able to rejuvenate those and make them work better because he has some vision. Is I so yeah so that's possible I suppose that that makes more sense but very little very limited in what I yeah well. We'll have to see interesting because you didn't think it was going to work on the old mice. I did wow crazy well. We're literally reversing not just the effective aging but aging itself so if I gave you those those retinas very little readiness Goja and you are scientists you could look at that retina analyze it molecular major clock and you'd say those young young is and you would know the difference now. Do you feel like this kind of technology is also going to be applied disc people skin because you know one of the things that for women it's devastating. They develop wrinkles fucking hate it men get a few wrinkles the kind of look distinguished you know but man when women get wrinkles they freak the fuck out they don't. I like it yeah. WE WE'RE GONNA try it on on aging on the skin though you know when I talk about making people walk again potentially it's probably high prey on for sure but I think it's feasible so there's elaborate the sulk institute Juan Carlos del Monte who may win the Nobel prize for his work on this in two thousand sixteen and a couple of years since he's been showing that it doesn't just rejuvenate old mice it actually also juvenile being the skin if he puts it on a a wound that's in an old mouse that mouse will will hill better now that doesn't prove wrinkles but it does prove the skin can be rejuvinated as well so could be possibly some sort of a treatment to skin. Maybe a reinjuring like of you. There's this thing that they do think it's called a vampire facial of you ever heard of that take platelet rich plasma and then they micro needle your entire face and then they somehow another apply this platelet rich plasma asthma to the areas that have been micro needle has some sort of an effect on increasing collagen elasticity of the skin tightening of the skin. We've heard of this. I've heard for Hillary. I didn't realize people get alot their face for hair loss as well they're doing it sounds painful so to me. It makes sense that it might light work the play the PRP is as it's called is full of factors that we we we know some of these rejuvenating in mice this the system you can hook up an old mouse and a young circulation. Yes and you get rejuvenation. There are factors that many of which we have discovered where identified that exists that you can rejuvenate and I would bet that they're working most likely through this reversal of the clock and so one of the things we're doing in my lab is taking what are called X. Ex- zones which exist in these preparations and seeing if they reverse the clock I've had access shot into injuries for stem cell pillagers. Yes yes yes did work. That makes yeah. I had a full length rotator cuff tear. That's completely gone. Yes maybe what's going on as you free program body there yeah as long. There's it's a weird thing X. zones in stem cells and there's a new product called Wharton's Jelly. That's also very effective and potent because it's it's not a long papers on these things. It's all you know the research on his some of it's a little shaky but the advocacy lease anecdotal advocacy is pretty substantial and I'm one of those pieces of anecdotal evidence of had a bunch of shots. Just whenever I get injured shoot it up yeah well your listeners may not know about Saddam's so this is a little compartments that are pinched off from cells and put into the body and communicate between cells across across so your liver can communicate with your brain threats zones and within these little cog goes there are things that we just discovering little proteins are a and full of goodies and and drug companies are being built on these yes. I'm glad you brought up the study of the old mice and the young mice where they put the blood out in the old mice and then the old my started behaving like young mice in the blood of the old mice the young mice and the young my started behaving like they're tired because there's a company company in northern California. That's supposedly doing this with humans where they're injecting people with the blood of old people or or young people rather some sort of transfusion not anymore not anymore. They out of business well. My understanding is the. FDA sent the letter said stop it. That's it just a letter all takes. Oh Yeah you don't want to go down the street and change your name. Oh I got another letter down street. Change my name. I think that's risky. Is it check to see if that companies under Al Al I do not remember the name of it but I remember they were Aronie Asli linked to Peter Thiel and then Peter denied that he's he's ever used that you know the billionaire founder of pay pal who I've met a wonderful man they ruinously someone is some story. Ori Linked said that he's getting he's like actually shut the fuck up. No I'm not don't say that we've never done it not doing it so it was one of those things things where there was a lot of legend to it because of these my studies he's my studies got people super excited about the idea that all you have to do is get young people's blood so you get about young people a healthy disease free drug free donating their plasma doing their blood for X. amount of dollars court right. You have a blood boy who blah glove boy. Hey man when I was young. I needed some cash healthy. Come on you. Regenerate that shit you know quarter blood. I get it back in a couple of hours. I think it might work. It's just that we don't know the consequences and the FDA's job is to protect us. Ask just like they're protecting us from raw milk. Much pussies just recently shut down about a month ago. I missed the boat could have been in there man but if you did that that's something that you'd have to a routine basis right. It's not like something you one. One shot probably give you a little boost for short amount of time yeah well. That's what's different about this reprogramming. You do it once you come back in the eyeball. Thing is very enticing to me because it's so weird watching not my eyes deteriorate like slowly but surely I'm watching it happen. It's really it sucks and it's a sign you get an older man. Yeah Age Related Immaculate Degeneration just seems pretty standard except my friend campaigns that motherfucker he's fifty two years old. He could see lazily twenty eighteen vision of fifty you too. It's crazy see anything. I dropped my phone on the ground. His you gotTA crack. He saw it from like where where's the crack I go. I'm trying to look at it in Leisa Aissa great there and I put reading glasses on like son of a bitch like how the fuck did you see that he saw it from like where you are like looking at the phone that is crazy. Well well said so. Let let's keep in touch. We will and yes if we get this on the mock. It then turns out. He has started up again again as pretty recently but it's not being sold as young blood for plasma plasma shot just no promises Mrs. What do you want to go in there with me right after we do? The cryotherapy lies get some blood. Some young doctors behind failed anti aging blood clinic clinic tries again. We tried to ask him some questions but he was very evasive. Good for you sir duck and move do the old Mohammed Ali rope a dope be like pernille Whitaker Sir Yeah. I hope he stays evasive. I mean it's also like maybe it's is nonsense. Maybe it's not would you like to do studies on people that are doing that and find out I mean well what they should do is measure the clock. Now that has bright yes yes that would be interesting but based on what we know about how it works with mice. You think it's likely that there is some effect. It's possible it's possible. I like very cautious. Your real professor like you're the real deal. I'd like to keep my job. I I should stop making those blowjob. Jokes funny that that's actually controversial to friends can't just joke uh. Is there anything else that you think is promising that is on the horizon or that's being discussed or theoretical at this point yeah. There's something that is really interesting and that's called Senator Lyrics Senno Lennox so similar ticks are hard drugs that kill off senescent cells so what does innocent sells. These are often called Zombie cells and what I think is World War Z. Ds a Lotta zombies is this podcast so citizen souls. We've known for decades exists in the body but what was not clear whether they cause aging now it's pretty clear from from animal studies at least is that we get lots of these accumulating and that they do because aging and one of the best experiments that was Donna from Mayo Clinic was to genetically delete the senescent cells that accumulated in an old mouse and it became youngest or at least it delayed its aging by now. Senescent cells are pretty rare. There's not a lot of them but they cause havoc because they don't just sit there in the body but they send out these inflammatory markers and they cause cancer. We think you want to get rid of these. He's just I want to mention that in the biological clock when I was saying that the the clock is part of the aging process us what we think is that as we get older that and it's it's teetotal books so if people read it. They'll understand a lot more what I'm saying but this clock is is messing up the cells ability to be what it used to be what I mean by that. Let's take your I in your retina. Your nerves are getting older but you nerves we think losing the ability to read the Nova genes so they're forgetting that their nerves so now they're starting to behave more like a skin cell and having a skin cell in your is not going to really work very well so that we call it. EPA genetic noise genetic aging reprogramming resets that so was that interesting we we think that the ultimate problem for the cell when it loses its total identity or gets a long way towards that shuts itself down because it says I don't even know what I damn anymore. I'm not a nerve cell them. No Skin Solomon Louisville Cintas cynics means stop dividing just sit there and tell the body come. Kill me okay so now they put these panic factors. There's a problem you get inflammation. The problem is that as we get older the body's not very good at clearing out the cells sells they sit there and they ric havoc yet inflammation. We think aging so getting back to send Olympics. These drugs are designed to be a pill or injection injection into your joint to kill off these these Senescence hills and theoretically rejuvenate the tissue and reverse that aspect of aging and that's another treatment treatment like reprogramming that could be one shot delivery and take you back a decade and how far away from seeing those much closer actually. There's a few companies Anthony's there's one called unity. There's one that I'm involved with in full disclosure called Therapeutics in Europe and they're in at least unity is in clinical trials right now for osteoarthritis really now what about the company in Europe preclinical still mouse wow so we're looking at like a decade from the general public or well for unity. They hope not usually when you're in a phase two study which there in it's it's a few years away. If it works wow amazing stuff it's such a cool time to see all this medical innovation technological success well my head's spinning crisper and then the reprogramming which is new stuff. This is stuff that we dreamed of thousands of years and and you know. I don't think it's a dead end may not be as you know. We're not going to go back to being twenty anytime soon that said I think we've we've we've had a major breakthrough. The equivalent like to use his we figured out how to fly where the Wright brothers right sisters. We've got got include success now. My daughter will tell right non binary people yeah so my daughter change your name by the way to what to Alexander she was madeline. She didn't think that was appropriate. UAE she's a tough chick. She's a day and some not allowed to call her she. I don't think she doesn't want to be identified. As one or the other interesting she sixteen she changed at eleven. WHOA she's a tough go? in my family we tend to be rebels and unfortunately it passed along. I'm getting everything back fortunately or unfortunately well I guess I'll be proud of her but raising her the last few years of being pretty annoying at home can't say anything without the PR police. She's that's hilarious so pc police are PR. Did I say PR yeah. That's interesting. What was I saying about my daughter? Oh about the name change yes. It took him a name change. You tell me Jamie. Do you remember now. We'll get a million people screaming at us. Yeah well you were talking about so many exciting things on the horizon trope yeah and so that it's it just head-spinning and so much is happening lifetime that I thought was just imaginary world the future now the question is are we going to reap all the benefits of this or we're going to be the lost generation ration- to lead a normal human lifespan and I don't think we are. I think that we already have things we can do. In Our daily lives just in lifestyle and in molecules you can take that give us a very good chance of living beyond what's naturally possible. This is amazing man such it's so exciting and the last time you hear was about a year somewhere in arena yeah I mean and think about how many new things you have to discuss now versus then it's really interesting man and I'm so happy that people like you that are out what they're doing this. It's just it's so it's just so exciting and it's so it makes me very happy to know you're out there. Thanks so thank you and your book people can find out all this stuff in detail much more detail than getting the two and a half hour conversation lifespan why we age why we don't have to David a sinclair. Hd Steve Thank you brother always good time. We'll do it again next year. DEAL US by everybody. 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Masvidal on Usman Altercation, Stephen A. Responds to Joe Rogan

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Masvidal on Usman Altercation, Stephen A. Responds to Joe Rogan

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Take the appears almost twenty four hours a day on this network jack-of-all-trades Tremendous Guy Mench has gone out of his way multiple times times. Since I got here around two years ago to make me feel welcome and comfortable offer. Great support great teammate. A great colleague. The one and only Stephen a Smith myth is going to be joining me on today's podcast. Yes Stephen himself and of course. He's been in the news as of late the stuff with Joe Rogan his commentary posts. UFC fifty to forty six m make community saying that he doesn't always talking about. He shouldn't be there all that stuff for more. We'll get his side of the story. We also find out what the story is is behind that video of him hitting myths. That whole video will get the story behind that one Because I know a lot of your curious about why he was hitting like that and why it came out when it did all all that stuff in more and so I really appreciate him doing this. Of course this week a horrible week for everyone involved with basketball and he was a good friend of Kobe Bryant He. He said On first take on Monday that he was with him on New Year's Eve and so I thought we booked him that maybe he would want postponed. But being the consummate pro that he is he said no way I gave you my word I will be there. And so in a matter of moments we will talk to Stephen Smith about that controversy if you will surrounding his into forty-six Commentary in the Joe Rogan stuff and The MMA community and and being sort of an outsider coming in and talking about MMA when you are so established and other sports. I'm really looking forward to that. We'll also be joined by New York Rick Who will offer some thoughts on the state of the heavyweight division after Curtis Blazes? It does win and where we go from here with steep Amiach and Daniel Cormet. Of course and Guinan Rosen strike fighting in March as well. So we'll get his thoughts on that also some a super super bowl weekend thoughts Because for the longest time superbowl weekend was a huge weekend for the UFC. Now there's no more events but like for fourteen fifteen straight years years. That was a marquee temple weekend for the UFC. So we'll get some thoughts and maybe even some thoughts on the late Great Cobra also checking with. TST Get the The minimalist tip of the week all that stuff in more coming up on today's program but before we get to New York. Rick let us get to the F.. Forementioned Stephen a Smith a man who needs no introduction reduction in my opinion he is the face of ESPN and not just my opinion in many people's opinion he. He anchors this entire network. He is our leader here and he's been doing a tremendous job up for many many years on I taken whole bunch of other shows in a very busy guy. He's in Miami Right now for the Super Bowl so really kind of him to give us a few minutes of his time. Here on this Wednesday afternoon Stephen. Thank you so much for the time. I really appreciate it. Mop Blooding area how you doing. How's everything I'm doing great and and First off I just want to send my condolences to you. I know how hard of a week this has been. I know how close you were with Kobe. Bryant and and I know how probably mentally and emotionally and physically exhausted. You are right now so For you to give for some time on this week in particular really means a lot and I just want to say. I'm really sorry for for what happened. It's still hard to come to terms with at least for me and I don't even know him appreciate eight that man it's been a real rough week He was he was a good dude. He added things about him. No question but He was a great champion and he worked his tail off often. He was committed to excellence. And you know. His Post career was on the verge of being better than his playing career and he was really excited about that excited about his daughter And what potential was and the him to pass away was bad in another itself fit to be in a helicopter. Crashes just absolutely horrific considering the fact that you know he he. He was in a helicopter as much as we are in cars and But then for him to lose his thirteen daughters. Well it doesn't give much more tragic ratchet than that so Maha goes out to his family his wife his three remaining daughters and All the loved ones that he had out. This is pretty devastating. Hey it's hard to transition from that but we will we will do our best Obviously you have been in the news as far as MMA is concerned. And I'm wondering I mean you're no stranger to people reacting to the things that you say this is part of your job and I and I think that you do phenomenal job of that and you have assumed that responsibility but considering the the brief appearances that you made at UFC two forty six post fight on sports center on the post fight show. Were you surprised at all at the reaction to the things that you were saying And did say by the Ma community the fighters the fans everyone involved the media as well. Well I ultimately was surprised about what Joe Rogan had to say. I certainly wasn't surprised by what you know. Fans and critics have I mean listen. I'm a polarizing figure. When I speak you're going to have people that would be an agree with to me? You'RE GONNA have people who don't personally speaking. I don't give a damn I say what I feel. I mean what I say and is based on what I witness and so for me when I'm you know to fight game like how I've been covering boxing. Mind Thai Korean and then following boxing. Since I was three years old there are people who agreed who disagree with me about triple G. versus Kamilo Alvarez. There's people disagree with me when we talk about the possibility of aerospace versus Terence Crawford. People disagreed with me in the past. Whether it was about Andre Ward vs Kovolev one or or something along those lines that Tori you understand that And and you go from from there As it pertains to the UFC. I'm certainly no AFICIONADO. I'll leave it up to you guys like Brett Okamoto and You know chill sewn in and Michael Biz and then you call me a and the host of people That I've had the honor and privilege to work with. I know that Yoga guys are The experts you guys are the ones that covered the sport religiously but to me I wasn't covering UFC when we're now that you've seen forty two forty six I wasn't covering the FC overall as sports. I was didn't talk about that fight. And I know what I'm watching and so for me To look at Conor McGregor to see three show strokes to the nose of cowboys to Rony. Obviously brokers those beat up it stays pretty well L.. And what have you Joe Rogan of the mindset. That conor McGregor show. I respectfully disagree number one. I don't believe there's so much you can show in forty thirty seconds in most instances number two Joe Rogan doesn't know I was speaking to a guy by the name of aerial. I'm talking to right now. Who kept reminding me leading up to the fight cowboys? Aronie doesn't show up and big events. The lights get brighter. He kinda shrinks even look after. That's the that's not what you kept telling me. That's exactly what ends up telling me leading up to that fight and so for me. I watched a fight and I'm like my God. All you got all was one. One was one kick which was blocked by Connor McGregor. And that's it. That's not gonNA cut it against new mega metal. That's not gonNA cut. It gets MAS VIDAL MY mentality. Is that when you're a champion or you're somebody that aspires to be the champion. Whoever the measuring stick is at that particular moment in time if someone? I'm fantasizing about you going up against and so to me. What we saw from Conor McGregor that night showed us nothing about about what he would potentially do in a rematch? Gets no mega metal. So to say something like that to me. It's not sacrilegious. It's not a crime against the sport or anything like that. As an observer and a reporter on pugilist exports this is what I saw at. UFC Two forty six if you can. And if you want to disagree with me the Great Joe Rogan. I respect that. I'm honored that you took into account my opinion. What he's done for the sport but take it to the point where it wasn't a good look for me to be there wasn't a good look the ESPN to be there? I thought that was beyond the Pale and I thought that was excessive and unnecessary. Necessarily I certainly have profound respect him what he means to the UFC and MMA sports What his cachet brings Who He is and I have profound respect for him and he was incredibly nice to me and all of that stuff and I will continue to be respectful and very nice to him? I harbored no animosity. Or whatever ever I just thought to disagree with me as what would be one thing but to act like. I didn't even belong at the event because I have an opinion that different from yours. I thought that was a extremely unfair. So it seems like the part that has drawn the ire of Joe Rogan and the immigrant community. Is this idea that that cowboy quit This idea that you can't talk about fighters in that light like you could talk about you. Know the Spurs not showing up or the chiefs not showing up but fighters are different different. Because of what they're doing and what they're putting on the line. Do you agree with that sentiment or do you feel like you can talk about fighters that way that it's all fair game. It's sports at the end of the day. And in your opinion. It's no different than the Lakers the cowboys etc a mixture of both. I think that I listen. I would say the same thing in all likelihood if if I was in Joe Rogan's position because especially when you're talking about fighters who have far more coverage than you and I would ever have in terms of getting that octagon or to squared circle. The box walks and then going out there virtually putting their lives on the line literally putting their lives on line. You certainly don't don't you. You you at the very least you need to be extremely reluctant. Did to go that route but look at how. I'm looking at their area. I'm watching the fight right. And I saw conor McGregor come out out and he didn't pull a Mazda dollar and trump and trying to throw a you know you know just come out and try to need a guy on the job but he threw a haymaker to start. He missed him him with the punch. But I believe it was the left by sort of court. SIRONI and fix okay. That's fine then after that you're clutching using the show a hit him in the nose three times if you recall there's a little break where to Rooney steps away and I'm saying and you've got about forty nine fifty fights on your resume you're experienced enough and you want enough fight to know how to step back gathering yourself and that Oh if they give me a few seconds to get away from this onslaught and then I can get back into it. None of that happened. CONOR McGregor comes right back at you. You throw a little side kick. It gets black. It's gets blocked and then connor catches you would've kick and ultimately takes you down all. I'm trying to say that all of this happened. An insider twenty seconds remember the punches that ultimately finished the fight took up an additional fifteen to twenty seconds. Everything else happened in the first twenty minutes and my attitude is with a guy bad experienced you could find a way to survive. You might disagree. Would that point saying Stephen. It happened but my personal opinion is unless you get caught with A. Hey you're not cyclic. Or something along those lines. If you had the wherewithal a gathering yourself for a few seconds. You should've had the ability to laugh a little bit longer. That's my personal opinion and it also emanates from the fact that Eh Cowboys Aronie had been knocked out two previous fights. He had not to mention the fact that again when the bright lights arrive. He doesn't have the greatest greatest reputation. All of those things lent itself towards me believe in the guy appeared in over his head. The moment appear too big for him and he couldn't handle it now that saying quitting. Maybe that were quit is apropos but I think it is apropos. To say he clearly appeared way the in over his head there's levels to it and he did not appear to be on it. I don't think it's criminal to say that. So in the midst of this on Saturday night Conor McGregor popped opt up on twitter and noted that Surani broke his nose and his Orbital bone by those strikes and told you to apologize asked you to apologize. College is what did you make of it. Yeah why not I did and I did it and I'm not because I met and not only that profound respect respect for Conor McGregor love the guy. He's phenomenal for the sport I couldn't be more ecstatic. That he would because I think he's been number one. Attraction is the sport a matter of fact. I'm somebody that if you recall when you and I spoke in the aftermath of the mega metal fights even though he clearly got beat. If you recall all area I was telling you I could. I gotTa give credit where credit is to. He stepped away from the sport. He engaged in the next match against mayweather that he comes back. And who does he fight. He fights this undefeated monster mega medal and he survived until the fourth round remember he was getting slaughtered in the second round for. Look that way. Because no mega medicines on top off of him you know trying to take him out strikes what have you and Kinda found a way to survive. So what I'm saying him. He'll tell me to apologize. If you're telling me you to apologize for using the word quit or whatever fine. That's no problem but don't tell me that the guy was in over his head. Don't tell me the guy that looked like the bright lights were just too big and too great form. Don't tell me that the luminated on him so much that he did seem to be able to handle the pressure of the moment at apologize. The for that Conor McGregor as far as I'm concerned despite four losses on his resume is elite and one of the biggest reasons he is elite even even though he's tapped out a couple of times so this is this reality. He's showed up. He shows up for the big event and the big event never seem to be too much fan Conor McGregor. It's not going to be somebody that goes out there and beach himself. You WanNa beat him. You'RE GONNA have to literally do that. beat him and I don't think conor McGregor asked me he to apologize because of what I said I think conor McGregor asked me to apologize because of how Joe Rogan reacted to it. Because like Joe Rogan Conor McGregor. It was protecting the sport what they need to come to the realization of is this. I am not you guys. I don't pretend to be the AFICIONADO that you guys are you. Recall call my musket with my hit with Joe Rogan. When he said what he said I literally said I respect that coming from you and I will defer to your knowledge? I actually actually said that on the air. I'm not I'm new to this. I'm not pretending to be some MMA aficionado. But I do know fighting. I do know what what I'm watching and I am entitled based on my twenty five years as a journalist in this business to the spouse of point of view based on what I saw and I'm not gonNA Apologize One bit. I think that they're protecting the sport but I got news for them. I protect sport too because I love it and I've been blessed less than fortunate that when I'm a part of something people usually watch and contribute in a positive way to uplifting the sports I wanNA UPLIFT I WANNA help in my small way to uplift not just the sport but God like you Joe Rogan and everybody else who cover it fighters like Conor McGregor. Who Participate in and I am a fan? I'm going to be here for a long long time. Personal friends with Dana White. Who I think is sensational and I feel that what I feel the way I feel and if I feel differently than somebody they're gonNA have to get over it because that's how I feel and I shot about saying what I feel because it happens to be my job? I will not apologize and I will not backtrack from opposition. And I don't care what Kinda McGregor for Joe Rogan says. Although I profoundly respect both we will just have to respectfully disagree on what we saw so you just mentioned. I'm new to this. However Josh Gross? WHO's a veteran importer? Now works for the athletic used to work for ESPN sports so straighted tweeted a couple of days ago. I haven't paid attention to this conversation but I want to note that Stephen a Smith covered. UFC forty one in February of two thousand and three in Atlantic City city. When Tim Sylvia? Stop Rico Rodriguez. He and I were the only reporters in Sylvia's raw locker room after that fight so for whatever it's worth Smith has been covering enemy for years that that was his quote. Is that true. Did you cover. UFC forty-one in two thousand three. And if so I would suggest that you are not new to this. Well no I was I was I was in attendance but a lot of times I would show up to watch it because I enjoyed it and one of the things. I'll I'll share with you a conversation that I had with Mas Vidal earlier that morning before fight night of UFC. Two forty six. I was talking about you know. They're talking about striking talking about you. Know Cocoa's they're talking about about more tired and all of this other stuff and I listening to something in America. They loved the box that when you talk about the UFC you appreciate all those other of elements to the fight. Game that you see in Europe seeing that you would never see in in boxing but understand that Americans are dipped in the knockout when it comes from pugilist export so when I look at Kana McGregor it's not just his bravado and his mouth that brings him whole Even the fact that he wins if Conor McGregor was choking people out of Conor McGregor was wrestling and he was forced to folks to tap out he would it be as popular as he is. Kinda Greg was popular. Because he's a knockout artist. We talk about Mazda Dahlan. Him potentially being the heir apparent to Conor McGregor in terms of being the face of the sport the most popular guy in the sport primarily. It's going to be because of his knockout ability. The fact that he can finish off where this this would've punch or a need. The reality is that that's what Americans primarily are addicted to so FA MI I've gone to several events over with the years and I wasn't even working but because I was there. ESPN or somebody else will put a camera in my face and asked me what I felt about what I watch and might've been what the guy from the athletic was talking about because I haven't covered with so many u s the event. I was sitting in our said ringside. When conor McGregor felt felt Alvarez? I was sitting ringside when Dan you call me to do with the fourth to do with the The lifetime contract Popeye's chicken and all of this stuff I the ring size but I didn't have to work those fights. I was just an attendant because I want to support you guys and I want to support uplift in the sport because I think combatants of worthy of attention I the more shine you bring them the more attention you bring up the mortar sport will be popularized the more money there is in it for put them for the sport itself and for those lights you Joe Rogan and others who cover it. I'm not trying to be a detriment to anybody. I'm not trying to steal anybody's Sean. As you well know I got enough job. Yeah I get enough time okay. So I'm fine. I just want to support a growing sport that I think is worthy worthy of our attention and alkalies and that's all I was trying to do and that's what I'm going to continue to try to do in anytime. ESPN wants to be on it. I'm happy and if they don't want me on Ed won't lose any sleep over it see. I don't like this because I know that you're a big fan because every time I'm here at the seaport studios you come up to me. You don't just talk me about McGregor. You Mention Shen Junior dos Santos and Francis and gone to and Mas Vidal. I know that you like and respect the sport very much much like you like and respect basketball football baseball at CETERA. I I wanna ask you about something. Joe Rogan said which I think at the end of the day why. This isn't good for us as as MMA phantom may community we come across as fans fans of that band that was playing dive bars for years and now finally made it and they're headlining MSG and we're not. We don't want anyone to attend that that show. We don't want anyone to to support them because we were there. I we don't want anyone else in there and that's a bad look. That's not the martial arts way we have to be inclusive not exclusive and. He said this which I want to ask you about. I just think at this sport demands more appreciation more respect and it demands a higher level of reverence to the athletes who literally put their lives on the line. I agree with that. The athletes do put their lives on the line. But let's not be condescending towards other athletes. They put a lot on the line to Kobe. Bryant walked to the foul line with a ruptured Achilles. That's a fighter right there. I respect that man for doing that. And so to suggest that you don't respect fighters Donlevatar doesn't respect fighters just because you are critical of them or the sport which has a lot of wards by the way it's not a perfect sport to me is is is condescending at times and it's disingenuous and that's what I don't like we need to allow other opinions. That's that's a byproduct of the sport growing right of evolving and being mainstream. I completely agree with you but at the same time. Here's where Joe Rogan is going to lose. He's going to lose if he thinks for one. Second there's GonNa ever be a disrespectful word out of my mouth about him it's not gonNA happen. I respect the hell out of them. I respect what he means to the sport. If if we were together right now talking give me five minutes with him and he's probably start laughing and just having a good time. There's no hard feelings. He's protective of the sport. Here's what I think he's missing. And this is what people don't recognize about me. I was a reporter for the Philadelphia Inquirer got promoted numerous times and ultimately became a columnist. I didn't know hockey Ariel okay but I still was sent to game seven of the Rangers in the Stanley Cup finals. Okay because it was part one of my job to cover the story you can cover stories. You can cover up moments without being an aficionado on Experti- onto onto sport if you asked me to get into the nuances of 'em martial arts UFC. I would look I would look at it a carrot and I would say you the era of the wanting. Do you know Joe Rogan. Do you know bread Akimoto. DOTY's dotes them. Then you caught me ringside together together. Talking about one of the fight. He went first and he broke out cracked up laughing. And you can ask them because I turn to the camera and I said I'm going to go what he's it says and everybody started laughing because it's my way of making sure that they recognized. Yeah I'm Steven. Yes bring a level of cachet to the table in the world of sports. What's broadcast and because I covered football basketball obviously with a level of expertise of the sports as well and of course boxing which I've been again watching since I was three years old and uncovered covered Olympic boxing in Australia? The Sydney Olympics decindio Australia Olympics of two thousand covered box again in Athens Greece two thousand four Olympic boxing not to mention numerous spikes. You understand but my point to you is is that regardless of what I know. I'm honest about what what I don't know and even if I did notice that you have seen even if I became an expert with the U. F. C. which as much as I'm watching it these days I'm rapidly. You know getting my feet under me for what have you. I'm never going to take anything away from those like you. Guys who help uplift to sports fourth and keep it afloat and alive bringing to the mind an odd of us all before. ESPN grabbed a hold of it and is now trying trying to take it to another level. I don't want to be seen as somebody that you listen to. Instead of. Joe Rogan. I WANNA be somebody body that piggybacks off a roof piggybacks off of Joe Rogan. And says. Hey did you hear what this guy says. Did you hear what I real- Said did you hear what all of these people. Because that's how you uplift the sport I love you guys. I respect the hell out of you guys and I appreciate the fact from a professional perspective we All have that in common. My only regret is that at least for the moment. Joe Rogan did not seem to appreciate the fact that I have my own accomplishments in this industry and just because I showed up the comment about a fight and I disagreed with him. Doesn't Aratu Kate all that. I have accomplished because you disagreed with me. All of that wasn't necessarily and that's all I'm saying I have no hard feelings against him. He's a great guy a great great man he's great for the US. The and I'm honored to have been ringside with him and I really hope that I'll get an opportunity to do that in the future. All all you guys you saw how happy I was just to be talking with you Michael Biz Bing and entails stone in these guys they know how feel about them Rashad Evans one time when I did. USC I have been at Barclays Center at the Barclay Center in Brooklyn I was honored to be the alongside him. I've known John Bones Jones a little busy years. We text each other back and forth from time on the time and Anderson Silva Fan. And what have you a wideman. I met him. He came off. I take on several occasions. You know. Chuck Chuck speaks for itself. Matt us back in the day they used to come on my shows and everything like that. I've been fans for a while so I'm not going anywhere and I'm GonNa love the sport and I would ask people to appreciate the fact that somebody in the mainstream loves sport enough to keep the eyes and the attention or in the sports so everybody could prosper. Let's just put on a big boy pants and understand that a movement Can Ask one last question. I know you're up against the clock but right after all of this came out. This video of you Hitting mitts emerged people. People think that you posted the video to show your street cred but that isn't the case. Could you just just tells the the genesis of this video and the story behind it. Because they're using this as fuel to the fire that you don't know what you're talking about well first of all. They could say whatever they want. They're entitled the video was horrific and certainly I didn't put it out there. What happened was that I tore my rotator cuff last July three days before the the surgery I was working out? You know I was. I was sitting there and doing my cardio and all of that stuff. But I wasn't doing anything and silly me. The the trainer was there with me and I said can I put on some boxing gloves and he was like listen. You don't need to be throwing any punches which shows that one torn rotator cuff. You got some scar scar tissue in the of you'll need do anything I said I just WanNa put it on the. I said I'm going to get surgery. Anyway whatever he said all right doing do me a favor and try to throw some up like it's just don't do anything else because you rack up to show the the more just trying to sum up because it was a ninety minute workout. I'm used to six eight punch combinations. Were far more speed than that. But the bottom line is is that I was messed had jacked up. Show this I did not know it was being taped and I certainly did not know it would be posted. It was a private workout and for some reason he put that damn thing out seven eight months ago. Needless to say he won't be working with me any longer. But the point that I'm trying to make is that is certainly wasn't me at my best or anything like that but again that's fine. I'm a grown man. The bottom line is the video. It is what it was. which is an atrocious display of any kind of boxing or whatever actually laughed about it with Teddy Atlas? said there's a blessing and everything he said. And what would would that blessing be. I said the minute overcome this rotator cuff. Because I'm now seven months with move from surgery but it's GONNA be about another three months before one hundred percent one of the first things I'm going to is get into the gym. What a real boxing trainer like yourself ten so I will be coming to your gym for you to show me what I should do? Because when I'm fighting I usually don't throw uppercuts I'm Tommy Hitman. HEARNS Kinda Guy. I like my right hand. I like staying on the outside using My Gen. My right hand not trying to decide on some damn public. Well my tall slim cell but nevertheless it was an riddick display was never meant for public consumption. That should have never been put out there but it was and when you sit in my I chair bottom line is that I have to be judgmental and critical of what people do. Every single date in the world is sports. Who Am I to bitch and Moan about somebody taking an opportunity to get at me when I'm perceived as somebody who gets that something? Every day a matter of fact the one thing I loved about it is my willingness on this show. I can take it why because when I come at you for whatever reason you ain't gonna be able to say these TV. You couldn't take it when we came at you. I'm a big big boy. I can take it to video was atrocious. It wasn't met with public consumption. It was done with Jack up shoulders. I should never throwing a punch to begin with a right. I had surgery surgery three days later. It is what it is. And you're the man Stephen a I just want to say I really appreciate this and you know I. I guess I get a little defensive offensive when I see the community my community coming after you and you don't need me to defend your honor at all but I remember when I first met you may with McGregor. You knew who I was them at the White House before why work for ESPN. And as I said on twitter when that story came out about you in I believe G. Q.. You have gone out of your way to always give me props to to comment on my work. You don't have to do that. You can walk right by me. And that's totally understandable. And you've done that in his meant the world to me so I will always have your back even though you don't need me to have your back and I hope that you continue to cover the the events and I hope to see you there and continue to critique and say whatever you want to say because you have earned that right my man so thank you so much for the time. Go look out there in Miami. Keep up the great work as always wasn't I hope to see you again. I appreciate it but let me just say a couple of things number one. I think you do a great job and I'm proud to call your friend and a colleague number two. You teach me about the sport every single day and all of you do because there's not one single person that I've run across associated with UFC. That hasn't gone out of their way a to show me things. Anything I asked Michael Visiting I asked me shot Evans. I asked chill sewn in and all these guys are just loaded with knowledge even bread Akimoto Mojo. Every time I go up to any y'all y'all never hesitate to tell me when I don't know the show me on the answer any questions that I may have and as it pertains to the sport. I'm just going to remind everybody of one thing. One thing that I approve throughout my career is to be an asset. I aspire to be an asset for UFC's coverage. I don't aspire to replace anybody I don't aspire to be somebody that's looked upon on is. Oh I'm better than this guy has got I got. I love the sport and I want to do what I can help. Joe Rogan to help Dana White to help area wanted to help everybody up lifted sport so we can all benefit and we can all prosper unlike boxes. That's ran by promoters the motives. You've got a guy over in the sport in Dana White if nothing else who is great about giving us the fights we want to see when we want to see see them instead of making us wait years and years and years for it. I'm incredibly grateful to that. I wish that he had such a profound impact that he was overseeing boxes. Kid A friend. I am going to help him. I'm going to help you. I'm going to help the UFC in any. I can't and that includes being an asset in any small ways that I can to Joe Royle his live respected for years. If anybody is looking for me to get into something with him they they have come to the wrong place. It's unfortunate that he said what he said but I didn't lose any sleep over it. It didn't change my day. Ain't GonNa Change night and the damn show income change my career. I'm going to be around and I'M GONNA be around with my hand out willing able to ready to provide in kind of smaller systems. This is that I can to help. ESPN you have seen. And everybody involved uplift sport in any way that I possibly can. And that's really all I have to. We say Amen Thank you Steven. I really appreciate it take all right. Now let's move along. That was tremendous stuff from Stephen Woulda. What a pleasure and I am? I'm being honest when I say he has really gone out of his way to make me feel welcome in to encourage me and that's why I think the criticism and this whole back and forth about his his analysis of that fight and about his place in the sport and whether he should be on the broadcast. I mean first of all who are we to say you know who should be on. ESPN I think there are very capable. People who who decide those things but it is interesting and it's it's really extended far beyond UFC. Two forty six and so with that in mind let us bring in our old friend year correct to talk a little more about this and some other stuff as well near Creek are you. I'm doing well. How are you my friend? I'm doing great Interesting time gotta off week. So that's that's always nice But then there's an event. I think from February to April April every single weekend. But I just wanted to ask you before we put all this stuff to bed. How do you feel because I've weighed in on this a couple of times on on different shows and not necessarily the Stephen a Smith versus Joe Rogan thing? But I always get the impression that anime fans and the community they don't even listen to what the quote unquote outsiders have to say. They are so so the -fensive when it comes to the sport and they're so protective of it and they really do. Remind me of the fan of that band who doesn't want the band to become mainstream and I feel it's often such a bad look whenever this happens. Like how dare you talk about sports and look no different. I guess when I show up on a basketball broadcast I get some people. Say like what. What the Hell do you know about basketball? So there's always going to be that process where people are going to have to believe that you know what you're talking about but every time we you have to go through this every time that's just a byproduct of the sport becoming popular right. Why does it have to be this way every time? I think it's a human nature thing. I think. There's a reluctance for change. I think there's also a bit of a of an attitude of wanting people who are vetted and who they know have expertise this to be kind of elevated into those positions versus somebody who was already a mainstream person coming over and essentially I feel like they feel like they're coopting What's going on that may world when in reality Stephen a Smith's presence is something that lets everybody know that. MMA has arrived the fact that he is talking the sport the fact that he's lending his voice to talk about storylines in this sport is important as an important step forward. I would argue that many of the same fans. That kind of have ABC complaints are the same fans that are complaining when Mas Ni is only number two on sportscenter. Or why doesn't this outlet or the white isn't this particular moment moment attention so you can't really have it both ways. If you want the mainstream attention for the sport it comes with this and naturally Stephen is a great voice for that so I have no complaints. I I do know that this is a personal preference thing for me on all four additional voices additional opinions at different additional opportunities because quite quite frankly like there really aren't that many voices in MMA. I'm kind of getting tired of the same voices and by the way. Is that a shot at me. I was just wondering if you were saying that I was one of those voices. No it is not a shot at uni where anybody else but I'm all for variety. Sure sure and by the way for the record this isn't an ESPN thing like we're not being pinches. And by the way for for anyone to say that I'm ESPN. Show what I would say in return is your hundred percent right. I'm very proud to work for. ESPN I love working for ESPN. This is an absolute honor and a dream. Come come true so if you WANNA call me an ESPN show. That's totally fine by me. I will live with that and I'm actually proud to be an ESPN chill. If you WANNA say that I am. I am one but I was excited when Gus Johnson started calling 'em fights for for CBS and showtime. I thought that was awesome. I love Gus Johnson back in the day like that was really cool to me. Now you know these these things happen in a May. I kinda knew what he was saying. But he's been vilified for them and kind of run out of town. I just think that we need to be a little more receptive. And it's okay like just because something may not be in someone's quote unquote wheelhouse doesn't mean they can't learn doesn't mean they can't be appreciate I know lebatardshow loves. MMA respects specs MMA respects. The fighters has Mazal in studio. I know Stephen Loves and respects the fighters just because they've never fought before. Guess what I never fought four. Guess what Deroga- never fought before I knew he trains. He's very qualified. He deserves to be there. He's one of the biggest stars in the sport period regardless of if he's a fighter or not but it doesn't matter heard like just because these people aren't saying what you want them to say it doesn't mean that they don't belong there it doesn't mean that they don't have a right to their opinion because that's what makes sports fun. Everyone has a say you want it to just be underground forever. That's no fun. No one wants that. How cool is it that after McGregor's fight it's leading off sportscenter in in the midst of Conference Championship weekend? That's a big deal. That's what we've all wanted right. We all wanted that. no-one didn't want that and guess who really wants that. The fighters really want that because the more popular sport forgets the more money. They make the more famous they get. This is a big deal when I see where he must win on radio row in Miami super that actually warms my heart good for horry. Hey Muslims that's great you only on checks. They're good for her. That's great. We need more of that. Not less of that sub trying to run everyone out of town. Stop trying to intimidate everyone. That's not the martial art way. Hey that's not the Bushido way inclusive. Not Exclusive enough yet and I think Lebatardshow and Stugatz yesterday made a great point which is being the first fan of something. Doesn't mean that you're the only fan of something doesn't mean that you're the most passionate fan of something I think there's room in the sandbox for everybody But I also understand. That criticism is part of that. And I think Stephen a Smith is willing to accept that he's willing to accept that. Hey I'm not the expert so I'm leaning on experts. I'm trying to get that knowledge and I'm going to get myself more educated on it until then I think there's going to be resistance to it but hopefully disccan in This can all be handled. You know nicely. By the emanate community. I have faith faith in the community. One last thing on all this. How do you feel I remember back in the day? Going on the U. G. and there was a there was no fighter bashing right we hold fighters To the highest regard right. They are larger than life. I have always said that. I have so much respect for the fighters they possess the that I can't even dream of possessing. They have the utmost courage going into the cage fighting putting their lives on the line their health and safety on the line. It's incredible what they do. I Love Them. I love coming this. Because of the fighters not so much the fights themselves but because of the fighters and who they are and what they represent but this idea that you can't be critical of fighters right if if they have an off night if they don't quote unquote show up and all that stuff to me is a little funky like why just because they're doing something that's incredibly dangerous. Just because they're doing something takes a lot of courage doesn't mean that they may not be open to criticism a fighter. I've I've seen this. I've heard this like some fighters don't train for fights some fighters drink before their fights. Remember the guy who headlined forty-six he said it himself like fighters can be open to criticism. Vendors can be subjected to that type of rhetoric. Why is is it that if you are critical of fighter you're labeled as someone who disrespects the sport who doesn't have the utmost respect providers that to me isn't right as well like we should be able well to? That's just part of the GIG that they should be tough enough to accept that sort of Christian now it has to be respectful. Of course. You can't just go that dude's a bomb and you know he can't hold my my jockstrap. I get that but Steven wasn't saying that. Yeah I think I think there's nuance that conversation. Obviously if the analysis is is what's Criticized right or rather if analysis of the performances. What's being done if we're looking at technicalities and things like that? I think that's fair. Game like it would be in any other sport but I think some of the resistance for that comes from a place of if you're going to analyze this sport you need to have some level of knowledge and I think there's people out there who are questioning the level of knowledge. I think that's where it comes from. That said if it's not a technical breakdown if it's not XS and Os as if it's not that nuance knowledge that you need to have. I'm from years of expertise I think it's a fair criticism. And and if we're GONNA talk about Stephen a Smith's analysis in particular. I really didn't have much of a problem with it and I don't. I think that it was fighter bashing as much as his viewpoint of the fight and now I think he himself will be open to a debate on that. I think he'd be open to debate the cowboys to say. Hey this is what really happened in the fight. He's trying to learn. And I and I think it's fair game for somebody to analyze the on on a technical basis. All right now. Let's move along to the heavyweight division. This past Saturday curtis played picked up a big win over junior Santos and now people are starting to say all right. What's going on with Steep A? He should be stripped he. isn't fighting enough. He hasn't been active. They should institute an interim title. All this stuff for more. How would you handled the heavyweight division right now with these see breathing down his neck? You've got Blades out there. Doing his things three in a row looked very good. You've got Rosen. Strike in God fighting March twenty eighth on. ESPN plus. What do you do the with the division right now? Are we assuming that is going to be out for an extended period. Did Okay so then let me so. Let me clarify. Maybe a little bit more. Let me weigh in and then you can respond to what I'M GONNA. CPO Church last fought five months months ago. Can we all just chill out a little bit. What what what does all this talk of stripping him and all this talk of internal titles and all this stuff? Dana Cormier deserves to be them. What contender and and that's the fight to make? I think we're the frustration is coming. It's coming from the fact that he is not being clear with his time line and be his intentions. So it's time line seems a little bit up in the air. Like is he coming back in July coming back in May is he coming back in August. Is he coming back in September. We don't know and also when he speaks speaks or when his management speaks. They're not saying look. Our vision is is paramount. It's the most important thing but when we come back make no mistake about it. We're fighting reading Daniel Cormier. We are going to retire. The trilogy fight is what we want because deep down inside of there being honest the trilogy fight gets them the most amount of money. That's the biggest fight out there of all the possibilities abilities. That's the biggest fight out there and so I think that that's why. DC's getting anxious. I think that's why the fans are getting a little annoyed and say hey strip interim title et Cetera et Cetera. But at at the end the day it's only been five months so I believe in the idea of if you don't fight within twelve months or if you don't have a fi booked within twelve months as champion then you can get stripped or the interim title comes into play but it's only been five. We need to give them a little more time. If it becomes uh-huh clear by July August that he's not coming back and has no plans of fighting now we could start talking about getting strip but this seems a little premature does not it seems premature. But if you're asking me WHO's next for the title. It's hard to gauge right. Like what is that title to me. I would like to see. I would like to see he steep. AFDC be the fight. But it's hard to argue that curtis blades or Francis in Ghana with a win or Roosen stroke with a wind isn't a worthy challenger under My will that's the fight to me. I mean it's a way bigger fight first of all. How many times can you get someone fighting a retirement fight for the belt especially someone as accomplish where it's not a token little situation like a Dan Henderson fighting Michael being when it was clear he really didn't deserve that? Like how could you even consider anything else. And what do you okay. I'll ask you return to that. What what would you do? With those fighters a winner of in Ghana and Rosen Strike and Curtis leads what do you do with those two fighters. Okay so if Ghana wins right. And that's March twenty eighth so it's in. I guess two months from yesterday yet. Today is the twenty ninth. If Ghana wins I say just let him chill for a second. Because we're we're hopeful that Mitch Cormier three will happen July or so July August. That's what we're hoping band least as of right now. And we've been told not much but that's the hope and that's the hope that DC has because then he's GonNa really start to get anxious and lose patients. So if ain't GonNa Winston let him chill if Rosen strike wins then I would do rosen strike versus blades because remember and gun. WHO's to know against blades? So the idea like I liked that fight. Now they're in a much different in spot them the last two times they fought but the ask a guy to fight a guy. A third time that he'd be twice seems like a lot. It's only happened a couple of times before and it just seems seems like a lot. So that's what I would do. Just wait and see if in Ghana wins. Let Him. Chill if Rosen strike wins. Let them have Blades and that'll be the number one contender. Fighting the winner will fight The the winner of Korean. If it's who wins. And he vacates the title fight will be for the vacant title and that that sounds clean and neat. But it's all predicated on the idea of a summer fight between me and the ot which at this moment is not looking likely. I don't think that's fair. Not Looking likely or maybe we just don't know his status. We don't know we don't know his status every time there's been any talk of stupid meal church. It's been need to hear my eye and no timetable for return. It's also it's also been Tyson fury right to look at other people which that's the part that kind of gets under my skin like I'm saying everyone who needs to get off his back like just give the guy some time but I feel like he needs to be a little more clear and that's when it starts to come across as all right is milking this is he trying to give. DC taste of his own medicine. You remember this time last year we were talking about the exact same scenario accept. DC was the champion and steep. It was the one breathing down his neck and now the tables turn and it's like all right come on did we forget the fact that DC also was coming off back surgery. The same thing I said last year give the guy time the same thing I'm saying. Now give the guy time but the difference is last year the UFC was trying to book the Brock Fight DC was in chasing it. They brought it to him and then of course he said yes this time they they want to book the trilogy. So just do the trilogy like why why are we. Why are we ignoring the fact that that's the biggest fight out there for you? Why are you even considering these other guys when I and it's very clear that a fighting's blades or rematch against guy? New or fight against Rosen strike or anyone in MMA is nowhere near as big as a cornea trilogy fight for you. No it see. It seems like games the you know either either a political angle or get trying to give dc a taste of his own medicine. But at the same time time if you're Francis in Ghana and you waited all this time to finally get a match up with Yahya Roses Strike and then you beat him and now you have to wait again while l. d. c. m. Yokich resolve their issue. Who you know who knows when maybe it's the summer maybe it's not It puts you in a position. If you're if you're somebody like Francis Gano you're you're getting the short end of the stick. And it's not his fault so I understand the urgency of the heavyweight division. I understand the urgency of the people who feel like they've staked you know. They've made their claim for a title. Shot I definitely agree that I don't I don't WanNa see Francis in Ghana versus Curtis Blades again. So again I think it's steep which is the linchpin go all of this and we don't have any clarity no super bowl weekend card. This used to be a staple of the Seattle right favorite super bowl weekend moment I have three two of them are special and favorite and feel good and one of them is not favorite but significant. Unimportant important the first one being BJ Penn defeating Matt Hughes To win the welterweight strap that was you know one of the defining moments of my MMA fandom another defining moment a moment that card was sick gop made his debut on that card is US's debut Lee Murray had his only U. OF C. Appearance. It's tour Belfer. Renting tour ended on Mona Sleep. But that was a great card that was a UFC forty-six. Imagine a card like that. Now with all those names juicy on the prelims the debut against comparision the legendary yes Another very important super bowl weekend. Memory for me was UFC 126 in addition to the Anderson Silva Kick on Vitor Belfort which is legendary in and has gone down in history as one of the best knockouts ever. It is also the card where John Jones defeated Ryan Bater and after the fight they let John Jones no I think he knew. Obviously that Rashad is injured but they let John Jones. No that were shot would not be fighting. Show Gun at UC one twenty eight and it would instead be John Jones getting his title opportunity and at the time I had tickets to that fight card even though so John Jones had not be had not been put into that fight yet I was. I was excited about rickshaw versus Shogun and it turned into John Jones the coronation of John Jones so so that was a very significant day. Even the fight didn't happen on that date. The announcement of John Jones being a title contender happen on that date and then the last one unfortunately only was DSP defeating Bj pad UFC. Ninety four. which isn't a favorite memory of a mind but it was significant? It was a super fight at the time when super fights for rare. Can I tell you a story. I don't know if I've ever shared this story how I feel like I am in some respects largely responsible for the Rashad Evans. John Jones fight have told the story about how that fight could have never happened. Had we not made a decision decision that I ever tell you this story. I think the people need to hear it. Okay so after that. Fight Against Ryan Bater. twenty-six Jones wins. It gets down on his knees. He's going to get the title shot. Is this huge. He's fighting show gun. He's young all that stuff. Everyone starts to think all right. Well what's GonNa Happen between him and Rashad right their teammates Jackson wink Are they gonNA fight each other. Is this going to separate them. It's going to be too much drama all that stuff a couple of weeks after that I was working for versus at the time versus the television network. which is now? NBC and We were doing pre and post. I chose for the events. Because you'll you'll remember towards the tail end of their deal. They had I think around four three or four. You have Stevens a year in addition to WC and then once the WC when away then they just had a couple of years of just you have see events you know they had some they had Jones might Chanko and they had DC. Dominick Cruz. Chris lytle against Dan Hardy etc.. So they sent me to Albuquerque Rickie to interview John Jones. We interviewed him in the middle of the cage. And we were GONNA air five or so minutes of this interview during the pre-fight show of the Marne Kampman Diego Sanchez card. In Lexington Kentucky were it was yeah like Kentucky. The Center Lexington Kentucky Louisville Louisville Cmih Louisville Kentucky So we so so I do the interview right and in the interview. I asked John Jones if you win the belt. Would you fight Rashad Evans. And for the first time. Ever because Rashaad said he wouldn't fight John and up until that point. John said he wouldn't fight Reshad. John says yes I would fiber shot and in my mind. I'm like holy crap. This is nuts. He actually said he would fight him. This is going to be insane. It's GonNa be massive news. What a big scoop et Cetera et CETERA? So all right but the piece is really coming out several weeks later the night before the prefight show were in Louisville were having a production meeting and and they say okay at this point. You know you're you're you're interview. John Jones is GonNa five minute version the interview and so I say by the way what. What topics did you guys choose for the piece? The five minute piece the this that this that this that and then I said wait a second. Did you not put in the Evans. Part no we didn't really think that that was a big deal and I'm like what you don't you don't think that's a big deal. That's the biggest deal of the mall. Now this happens you know speaking of what we were just talking about. Newer fans knew where people they don't really know the sport of like big no-no guys. That is massive news gigantic news. That is seismic news that you have to include that in the piece and this is twenty four hours before they said there's no time this we we can include it. We can't have An edit session recant book and editor or something something. I don't know we can't do it. I was like Oh my God. This is crazy this is going to be like one of the most important moments in MMA history and it's never gonNa see the light of day and so what we ended up deciding on was the peace with air. I would come back on camera and then I would say oh and by by the way and then I would toss to that moment tosses like tv term. Like I would say oh. Check this out so we ended up doing that. We ended up playing. The piece had nothing to do with Rashad. I come back on camera sitting at the desk. By the way with with Molly Kerem I believe now is the host of first. And then I throw to the shot Evans portion of the conversation and then of course what happens is afterwards it leads to the you know the dissolving of their relationship. John Beats Show Gun. I actually interviewed. Reshad you can still see the interview on on Youtube. A tube right now seconds after that flight cage side and he's like man. I'm done with Jackson's remember that he said I'm done with Jackson's are not coming back. And this is the end and all that stuff and and thus the build for UFC one forty five happened and in the build for you have C.. One forty five in the countdown. All over the place was that conversation. They pointed to that as the Genesis. Mrs Of you know the the break-up between Rishaad the teacher and the student John Jones and so had I not ask the night before if I just assumed that they had put that in there that they recognize the importance the magnitude of that comment and and the thing aired. I didn't have a chance to then you know. Tell them it was important. And then throw it. That's feud dude may never have happened. Isn't that crazy. MMA history. Yes all playing out Incredible that that almost never right now. It's possible that at some point they would have said something if they really felt that way about each other it would. Have you know it would have dissolved solved on. Its Own. And they would have had the break-up they would fight but I always think and in the build up that fight I always felt like I always took credit for. Oh like I was the one who has the question and Blah Blah Blah. But really the credit needs to go to actually recognizing the night before. Hey I'm actually working with people that don't know a lot about Ma maybe they didn't realize that this was a big deal end turn up. They didn't and I just always thought. Wow if I didn't ask that question what would happen. It's like that movie sliding doors. Yeah you have to assume you have to assume combat the reason John was willing to say yes to that. Question was at some in some capacity at some level this relationship was already kind of dissolving but the public public was not aware of this and the public was almost not made aware of this unless you had been able to toss from the desk Or from the desk to that interview And I remember that countdown show. I remember that being a crucial part of the lead up and I wonder I wonder if you told a John and Rashad that story where they were in in their minds where where Rashaad was When he was thinking about what happened there amazing anyway Super Bowl weekend and always fun? You mentioned the big voice. Yeah what about yours The other ones that come to mind I mean obviously the the Silva Belfort knockout was tremendous that I say Silva Silva Belfort That was tremendous twenty six. Cover the video game Shoutout to James Law forgetting the photo Pretty much took the photo from him. You have see eighty one also also tremendous for two reasons Big Dog finally gets a UFC belt. Even though it was an interim title submitting Tim Sylvia but more importantly brock listeners debut You know the Steve Mazda Guidi moment where he halts the fight it looks like brock is just going to steamroll right. Through Frank Mir Maserati halted the fight Deduct the point for illegal legal blow and then shortly thereafter. I remember the tap like the slow acceptance of all my God I got caught by this guy With with Mural beat up Mir submits them him and essentially ignites one of the best feuds in UFC history. Ninety four special. Because I worked on the primetime show I was in between jobs. MMA rated Had had been sold and I couldn't get back into the main media business talk about sliding doors and so my friend Jason Hare. WHO's currently working on that five or ten part Chicago Bulls documentary for ESPN and has produced some amazing Throughout these yeah has done like the Chicago. Bears one eighty five bears won the FAB. Five one did the Andre the giant dog anyway. He asked me if I wanted to help. Because he knew nothing about MMA until I was in charge of the BJ section. And that's when I realized that. BJ Wasn't really training. I'm for that fight because it was at one seventy and was just like going on leisurely jobs so that one is a proven training methods. Yes yes yes. So that one comes comes to mind Conde de as obviously you have C.. One forty three and one more UFC sixty seven was a great one. Because it was debut of Quinton Rampage Jackson and miracle-gro Cro cop and then of course Anderson civil was supposed to fight Travis Luder for the belt Luder Mrs Weight And then it becomes a non title fight and GSP was supposed to fight Sarah on that card as well as supposed to be both a title fight from from the ultimate fighter but I believe it was. Gop who got injured more might have been. Sarah my memory is is a little foggy at this point so they postponed sixty nine the first ever event in Houston and then of course met Sarah Knocks him out and we're going next week. So how about that. Houston there they go. It's funny how all the very few of these are contemporary right like. There's not a lot of really said superbowl weekend memories and now what's happening. Yeah Yeah like you have C.. One sixty nine I think was the last pay per view and then they did like a couple of fight nights but that it didn't feel big enough And then they stopped doing it and I think he kind of makes sense to be honest. Because there's so much attention there's so many resources on the game itself. Why try to compete against that? So I kind of think it makes sense from a business standpoint but it was always fun being in Vegas and you know people betting on games and all that stuff The vibe there was was just tremendous All right before we go there. There is There's a few more things that we have to get to. I just wanted to to bring up I mean. I know that you're a huge basketball fan. Like I am and I noticed that on Sunday afternoon. Tea who doesn't tweet. A lot was tweeting a lot or at least retweeting a lot of things about Kobe. Bryant's shocking death in his daughters others shocking death and and all the other lives. That were lost. Seven lives in that helicopter crash I talked about it a little bit on Monday but I have have to be honest. I still can't get over like I am. I mesmerized by just watching everything I thought. TNT did a phenomenal job with inside the NBA yesterday and All the clips clips that have been posted and I think he has peon has done a tremendous job of covering the story. But I just can't get enough of it like I can't stop listening to podcasts about it. I can't stop watching clips. oops I can't stop going on youtube in watching moments and I think it's because of the impact. He had on all of us as sports fans. But also I think as parents And and as fathers of daughters. It's tremendously painful. To just think about those closing moments and so I just wanted to know how you were handling it and how you were feeling about it all. Yeah Yeah definitely touched me at a very like real emotional level being a girl dad. Having my two year old daughter it really touched me at a at a level that I can't say it probably would have a few years ago but I think what's so interesting. Incredible about this whole thing is that it almost doesn't feel like he's gone on because they're so much footage of honey because there is so much out there. Kobe Bryant because he grew up so much in the spotlight as seventeen eighteen year old kid coming into the MBA eh in an era where now video was so important. So crucial and owning archives. There's so much out there Kobe. And the and the continual outpouring of of of clips in support of images and conversations talking about. Kobe almost feels like it. It doesn't need to end like there. There is so much there that this legacy can kind of continue. Continue to grow forever I think the shock is going to set in Sorry I think shock was the initial part. I think the reality of this is going to set in with a little bit more time but at the moment I'm kind of happy to see how much of a celebration of him and G G it is versus changes it. Can you know. Obviously there's people who who are affected by this in an emotional at an away that causes morning But at the same time I think there's so many people who idolize Koby be and are willing to celebrate him right now that it's really really heartwarming to see tst. Yeah I agree with Erick. It's the reality reality of this setting in is going to take awhile. I mean I still when you see the headlines or the bar going across the TV that Kobe Bryant is dead at age forty one and his daughter and seven others killed. It still doesn't feel real and this will definitely be one of those moments for the rest of your life. You remember exactly what you were doing where you were at that time. I got a phone call. I was at the LAUNDROMAT. Do my laundry and I was in the middle of lingerie and someone called me and told me the news that teams he was reporting and I just let out a huge. Like what's like what no you can't be serious and so then you go online and the moments immediately after that you're just like no no no this can't be true and and it breaks my heart every time I think about air like you. I'm listening Qazi reading things. I can't get enough of the coverage and this is this is going beyond sports this is on CNN and and this is on all the networks this is on your local news and as more and more is coming out of this I it just breaks my heart every time especially when you throw in the family aspect of it the community aspect of what. Kobe mental Los Angeles so many years it breaks my heart thinking about it and but but the positive spin on this is the sports world and the entire world at at large internationally. Because that's how big an impact coby Bryan had is coming together to remember him and that will always be the the great unifiers what we recall sports. And that's what's so inspiring. Obviously this is a horrible tragedy but knowing that we can all come together and celebrate and share some laughs about Kobe's life Ventura some incredible memories of his basketball life that that is uplifting. That's the great thing in a return. You're right they're speaking of being a girl dead near Req- good. I'm good okay. We we heard you telling your daughter to turn it off. I tried press mute. No screens if she no. She is She's playing with a little electronic puppy that makes noise and that's not conducive induces for me talking on this is no it's okay And that's that's the joy of being a dad and a girl dad. The the part that that makes what's this. I think very hard is. You're seeing the emotion of people that we consider to be somewhat larger than life like when you see Shaquille O'Neal and Jerry West and Reggie Miller and Ernie Johnson and these people and and Stephen a Smith and Jalen rose and Jay Williams grieve openly on the air. It for some reason it almost makes it hurt a little more because these people are you know people that I think that we put on a pedestal and they are superstars and to see someone like Kobe who was really almost you no packaged as immortal Mamba mentality and playing through the ruptured Achilles and and shooting free throws the broken arm and just always is overcoming obstacles and doing what he did and now to think that he's not here anymore. How's that possible? How is this guy who really seemed present? That in his second act he was going to be more impactful than in his first act of life and how he was so happy to be a dad so happy that his daughter was going to be a better player than he was in all this stuff. How is this possible? How how could this like? I can't wrap my head around it. I can't digest it And it's it's just a show. I mean this is you know I wasn't around for Roberto Clemente Eh. Wasn't around for Thurman Munson was around for John Lennon I do remember a lady. Di I do remember Michael Jackson This one I think is going to be one. That is going to haunt US forever and we'll be talking about where we were when it happened. And the the aftermath in what these weeks were like after I mean I just think that this is going to be one of those moments and you know what really makes me sad. What really makes me sad is that he was a tremendous player? One of the greatest ever five championships all that stuff. But he's always going going to be a great player who died in the plane crash or the helicopter crash. Like that's now going to be a part of the story and that really sucks. You know that really really sucks that that is who he is Because he just seemed like he was destined for such great things like the way he talked to the younger players even that one moment at the. UFC retreat how he talked about. You know coming together not not just for yourselves. But about the next generation this guy who was branded as being selfish in his against second seemed very selfless on it was putting his family first. And all this stuff and it's just all the footage and all the photos all the videos. It's it's really it's hard to take. It's it's painful it like physically hurts it's And so it's just been tough. It's been tough to think about other things and I didn't want to harp on it too much on today's show because I recognize that we are an escape valve for are for you guys who who listened to the show. You don't want to be you know you could go out and listen to a bunch of stuff on Kobe and I know that we are in. Ma Show. But I feel like we would be remiss if we didn't just bring bring him up ever so briefly here and just talk about how we were feeling because this has been a really hard week if your father if you're a sports fan if you're neither everyone I think has has been affected by this and it's just a it's just been really tough so anyhow I just wanted to talk about it in a little bit and share some thoughts and to say I'm still having a hard time time coming to terms with it and I don't feel like myself I still feel like I'm a fog in a fog and I never met the man I never. I never spoke to him. I was in his presence. Once at that Body Armor press conference in that I was the thrill in its own right but I didn't have a relationship with him. I just watched him for many years. Tried to get my haircut like him. One time I was pretty much it so anyway. I can't. I can't believe he's not here anymore. And I can't believe you won't get into hall of Fame Acceptance Speech and Worst of all. I can't believe his daughter won't get a chance to be in the WNBA and those other two who girls who Unfortunately passed away as well won't get their chance to to live out their dreams that Sir Anna and and by the way I recognize the fact that people die every day. And there's tragedies everyday recognize CNN is that but there's no denying that you know these people that we essentially invited to our homes and watch on a daily basis and talk about on an hourly basis have have an impact on us. And and that's okay. It's fine you don't have to be ashamed of that These things are different and For a guy of his stature to to to die like that it is just hard to handle right now so in any event tst. I do believe we have A review that you wanted to bring to our attention. I do have a review you and this comes from I. X is a five star review. And so he has a bone to pick with YouTube. Says some big you in New York Rick Van but I was listening to last Wednesday's show and he talked. Habib is number two pound for pound and maybe the best in the world call my IRA. So he says listen. Heightened way is on par with most well to rates. I don't think it could be you can use mon- Woodley Covington Mazda or even wonderboy Thompson. I believe he benefits from the fact that lightweight is not filled with dominant wrestlers at the top of the division while to rate is no one addresses the topic of Habib competing at wealth rate yet. He's quick to be crowned the best in the world he could be the lightweight. Go but not best in the world unless you fight a welterweight. I hope. Hope to your thoughts all right pause there review for one second. I'm going to get to that later on the show but in the midst of US taping this right now is around two seventeen. PM Eastern. In time I got a couple of videos of what appears to be a verbal altercation between Horry Mazda on tomorrow's men. They're both in Miami right now. They're at super bowl media media radio. Row whatever you call it. And they're doing a bunch of media. This is when all the media comes together in a big room and you go from station to station and apparently both of them were. They're doing some promotional work and got into a verbal altercation. I posted both the videos that I got on my twitter and instagram and a bunch of them are popping up right now. And so T. S. T.. I need you to call for a Moslem. All right now. He's going to join US literally seconds after this all went down to explain his side of the story. All right all right. Let's do it okay. So in a matter of seconds We're going to connect with horizontal and get his side of the story. TST calling him right now. Again in Miami verbal verbal altercation between Bonn Mazda. There's been talk of them Going back and forth fighting each other Saying things about each other. You know the whole story or you know the drill. You know what happened. You know the back story here but now they're in the same room and apparently it's onsite when you're in the same room but it doesn't appear as though any punches were thrown or anything like that so oh that is good news for everyone involved. I think that we have multiple right. Now he's in Miami literally just minutes after this actually happened and I really WanNa get his side of the story. Okay so first off for hey are you there yes sir. I'm right here right now. Okay so what happened in her radio row. No more Just another Wednesday. No me running into the haters and and and people talking Shit and blast from izing My name is something just saying things that are that are not true. You know and I just wanted this person to say that my phasing Beijing addresses in my face and he's a coward and you got all her and stuff and then he has this guy's on so I as a treat 'em oh man time when when it's between me and I know a lot of people here this is why you gotta be so many fucking wine. 'cause that's me to this. I should never opened opened. His mouth. Started talking all the wild shit that he's been talking when he came back it up and if I ever get looking to get my hands on our show the world the difference in Skill Elsa hand dog between me and I say before fight when I got respect for the guys in the skills that they bring. This is the guy that I'm going to start to finish. Okay can I tell you convicted in the wolf. How did it actually start? Did he say something to you. Did you say something to him. Did he see you. I did you see him I can you tell us how it actually kicked off. Why just told him I go man? You've been talking a lot of Shit saying this and that I'm I'M GONNA states you're facing somebody. Nobody else goes. Sandy Hook you up. You know I'm just letting you know my best you finish that you don't hear seat. He say he say something. I'm right to your face GONNA fuck you up the same way that I've let a lot of my opponents before you know like do more in private if it could just be me in them and look right known to hook you up but you know. I didn't get that chance with this do that. I don't like loosly if I got to have altercations every day I wouldn't mind Did anyone touched the other. Were there any not stupid. And he he plays Jason Guy on on TV but he's not stupid but what. What is that guy going to do in in a scenario like that hug my legs come on you know? He can't punch the little fucking wet. paperbacks what are you gonNA do in in the scenario that nothing but look down and have to take a seat you know. He's a punk did a lot of screaming and shouting that. I just wanted to tell them anything. Like I'm just got fuck you gotta you. Don't WanNa take that person. It's just it's going to happen man you know. Just relax you gotta be louder none because I said a very calm and right to his face. I'M GONNA fuck you up you know. It wasn't no need for him to overreact like that. And he's just sensitive man because he doesn't like the truth. Did he say anything to you when you said that to him. Yeah he said a lot of mumble rapid shit I don't know what he said where he said something about this and that and that and they're not fucking could care less. I just wanted to let them know my message. I'M GONNA fuck you up in and I don't want you to just hear me say eight on TV. And then Oh you could deny or confirm the conviction states your face you see how much conviction I have behind it and so when something like this happens and you're your little bit fired up. I could tell like. Does this in your mind cement. The fact this guy has to be next as this made the decision for you are you. You know you know my history Area I'm I'm a I'm serving types of music doesn't always mean that that I'm GonNa go only to that client. I'm Dr to them. Give me more focused but they need three pizzas. And Sodas the face of face fucking Chins to the collarbone. It doesn't matter I'm handing them out if he gets in now tomorrow or ten years. It doesn't really matter to me. You know there's bound I don't need everybody's had this in my division. And that's everybody from number one all the way down in number fifteen there's boundaries and everybody's head is just got to get the most money possible for each and every one of these. Oh fuckers that are gorgeous by the way. I'm watching the video. Someone texted it to. How long ago did this happen? It's two twenty one right now. Would you say happened like ten minutes ago. Fifty minutes ago. How long ago ten fifteen minutes ago man the noses quick You GotTa give me props for that. Why you're freaking Blake? I I didn't even know able communicate. Everyone has some questions room. I just talked to those. No he's talking about the incident right now go why yes thank you. It was clogged up in language. And I know they got Yeah headquarters over there. In Ninety Watt Shit. Listen to three. Zero five is kind of like my my second home so when things happened people hit me up. I was just curious if if no one was in between you guys. 'cause I've I've seen the footage now and people kind of were in between you do you think you would've gone physical with him if he Asking like he's going to do anything other than just breathe in in a way that I like him to breathe. Yeah he's done. I'm I'm GONNA Tiger bigger. He's he's a Beta. You know what I'm saying like you do something that might disturb the animals feet so he knows yes. It'd be very relaxed and Nice and calm. When there's people it gets a little while to bowling when there's nobody running known this guy for years he's been around for years? You know that guy. That got his job broken. He can't everyone up on me like that and started talking knows I'll slap the shit out. They beat the as Fucking S. Now he does have a cast in his hand and the little bit of humor still less than means like men are. I'm GONNA touch because he had this catching because I don't want no excuses. Ooh You beat me up because I had a cashier hand weights have incomes off you though I know it's fake. You know because even he said it himself went to the doctor and he doesn't know what's wrong with him he has a cast. Maybe next year I mean I don't WanNa take place all I can tell you that I will baptize this dude. My my greater campus is going to be painted on his face. Where do we stand right now? Is there any update from the last time we spoke on your next flight. Is it going to be used. When is it going to be? What could you tell us about your future Just out of pure coincidence and look out of nowhere just spoke to to nick manager you know and it was Interesting being in a in a in a lot of different inside because you've see saying one thing and it's completely different from from what we were hearing you know and and then to hear now from nick visas manager things make a lot more sense than it usually were sending those types of crazy things that I'm not willing to wait for no man. You know telling me this and that and that I got a complete there in the beginning of this year we got options. WHO's looking for? Who's WHO's GonNa give me the Nice Chunk of change? There's somebody like me has working sixteen years refreshing busing as needs. That's what we're looking for. You Know I. It's it's up to me. I mean I respect. Nick got nothing but respect for him and his brother. I got a Lotta respect for for Connor for what he's done inside the cage you know What those guys but I? I don't like his ass one bit. I haven't liked them. Never probably you know I just WANNA fuck his ass up. And and and he's he's besides seventy personalities nobody understanding no one of them. He's just apartment. It's the same guy five years ago. That's going to take pictures. We'll have seen your backyard fighting all the ship. fucker man the fucking grouping so if you had to predict right now you think it's who spun July if I was tell you why don't I don't WanNA break their face not for free but them but you know like whatever it'd be I I don't like him as a person and he's beating not the last guy because he's not talking but he's been other guys is The top team. That are some of my friends that some of my training partners so just without alone. You don't understand how much hurt and I wanNA put him. This guy got you know. I WanNa really separate myself from the pack on this guy's account you know I'm GonNa. I'm off his back. I'm going to catapult myself to another level okay and by the way what he has to tell you that that they're trying to get the fight with you we're talking. I won't get into details of that because there's so many people listening but it was all Good stuff you know. And it's crazy to hear from the horse's mouth as opposed to a third party the trickiness weirdness they were saying types of crazy shit. And you. You know we're GONNA figure it out we're going to make the world make the decision that makes the most motherfucking dollars and cents okay so in conclusion radio row earlier today Miami. Ucs Man he's doing media You guys are going back and forth you. Tell them what you think of him. You don't really remember what he said back to you. It was broken up in the whole thing. Just Kinda Kinda lasted a few a few minutes. Right yeah pretty much Either Beta man can ask too much of and and are you still there. Is there a chance you'll see him again or have you left. No no no I actually got things got a they got one segment. I've been elaborate insurance for a damn reason. Not just because I could speak and people understand me but it's because I fight when I go in the ring I fucking give it my all I fucking can give people passing. Give it their all. And that's me man. Not many people are into that Just hugging stuff to no avail. Yeah his last night he got Kale. They got more than he has wins. So what the fuck that. What are we talking about all right? Hey appreciate you doing this. I know I've been bothering you a lot lately. But there's a lot going on your life. Okay so I just. I felt like we needed to get your side of the story here. So thank you very much my man I appreciate you coming on very quickly here so you don't forget your boy. Asthma Scott out. Now you're getting fucked up. You better be off my Moscow. Everybody listening 'cause I'll find you leave it at that okay. My brother good night. There is the the three five zone I mean. It is Super Bowl weekend in Miami and so you might as well have or he might as well and You can see on my twitter on my instagram. I posted the the video of what I'm doing a live show here. TST like this is actually happening as we speak we need to be. We need to be live now K.. Never this tape stuff. Are you guys still. There's anyone still there. I'm still here ricky. Still here. I'm still here any comment you. I'm sure you saw the video. Now what do you think I mean. It's getting a little heated. It's getting a little heated. But they were separated by quite a bit of but it's a it look Muslims versus. Her son is not a bad alternative. If we're not getting conor McGregor versus where a Moslem. All kind of this is the one that has the most amount of heat attached twenty KS earlier today Mazari posted quote on the ESPN Lemay twitter and Instagram Maswadeh. Talking about doc. Some some quick mathematics that he did regarding Conor McGregor And then we get this fight with This this dust up with Mon Mazda much Conor McGregor McGregor seems to be keeping his options. Open is definitely not letting the the hot that's boiling with with use mon- lead up so I'd be interested in either. Ah Good from Oslo. He deserves attention and It seems like he's he's GonNa get something into this okay so I will answer that review question that T- posed before we had the breaking new segment there. But I feel like you have some work to do with your job with this stuff coming out so I will let you go New York Rick. You've been great. Thank you thank discography and much loved Niemira Hook you up. Let me know. It's ten dollars a pop and we'll talk later all right so there's near. Tst Can you remind me of the question. We're just GonNa do this live. I don't care this is this is the magic of is he in your mind. I know you're thinking like wait. Why are we doing this like this? Why don't we just edited right like? Why don't we just clean this up? That's the beauty of taping site. I WanNa do this live. I want people to know that in the middle of the show. As you're reading me that review I told you to call for muscle right or wrong. I mean I know that's what will end up doing but tst preferred just lead off with horror. Hey and you know blow that up but hey whatever you want so the review and the question within the review was basically. Hey what's not Crown Habib the best in the world because we haven't put them in the welterweight division. He will lose if if he were putting the author eight division. I don't know how you can actually say that. I think that the guy's the most dominant fighter her in the history of the sport. Twenty eight to know Has Only lost one round. People can't say that no one has ever had a start to a career like that it known has fought on the level that he fought and been that dominant for that long known has gone that long without losing around. The one round of course was to conor McGregor around three of their air flight in October of two thousand eighteen. So how could you say confidently that. If he goes up to seventy he would lose. How can you say that now? The fact that he's not actively legal up to one seventy s fine. He's he's the man when fifty five what does he need to go to one. Seventy four so feels like a bit of a flawed argument. If you're asking me and I don't think that that should be you knock on him in the pound for pound rankings power rankings is all about all right if everyone was the same way the heavyweights to the flyways. Who would be the men now if someone does go up and down does that give us more insight as to how they would do and does that give them some extra points absolutely but if someone doesn't like gop for the longest? It's time to go up. John Jones has not gone up right. A bunch of people haven't gone but does D. C.. Get more points for going up. In my opinion yeah. We're going down whichever way you look at it absolutely but I don't think it should be a detriment should be like a knock on the guy so I don't necessarily agree with that. I just WanNa see someone fight. Kobe Covington. I don't know what's going to be. If Habib wants to move up and lose a colby I would welcome that. So that Colby can make his undefeated streak away. Okay and on that note jess minimalist tip of the Week K.. Aerial so in the spirit of everything that has happened over the last few days and I I know you and you would reference this that Jay Williams video that was circulating after Kobe. Very emotional very powerful Abassi whatever you have going on with the person in your life forever beef. You have whatever little petty battle. You're fighting that you just have to let it go and I wanNA tie in here. Is that a problem that I've faced with the people that are close in my life is that I always make time for people. I always made time for people the people that are really important to me and sometimes I feel like that's not reciprocate. It's always like oh I'm too busy. Sorry we'll talk next next week and then that just keeps happening over and over again so what I want to say to everyone. Is that listen if we have learned in the last few days all what we have learned is that life is fleeting. You never know what's going to happen the next day and I know that's very morbid but it just very real and so those people that are important in your life stop putting off. Make time for them. I know we are all busy. See I know we all think we have super important things to do but at the end of the day. I called Spinning Rockville at the end of the day. We're all just these little creatures that are going around and around on spinning rock for eternity. It's really not that important so while you were on this earth make time for the people that are important for you all the other obligations that you supposedly have that you I think are important at the end of the day. They're really not and I know aerial. That may sound weird to you. Because I know you're such a grinder and you really really value. What it is you do? The the end of the day it's family it's the people that's that's what we all should want to be remembered for right amen. Wall said hundred percent like yesterday hearing a Shaquille O'Neal say that I'M GONNA be saying I love you more to to you know the colleagues on on NBA inside the NBA NBA TNT. Like that just the. Yeah Yeah you know and and and the thing is we say this a lot right. We always say this sort of thing. I'm GONNA appreciate life more and a hug. My life loved ones. I'm GonNa Tell Them I love them and then a week goes by two weeks. Go by and it's back to normal and so it would be nice if we did it more. It would be nice if we remember to do these things more if we appreciated people more if we lived in the moment more or if we didn't sweat the small stuff As much as we as we usually do if we don't take these things so seriously these trivial things that can go away in an instant and at the end of the day respect our family and our and our parents and our brothers and sisters and our loved ones and our friends and colleagues life would be a lot better and it has been really nice to see so much positivity when there's so much negativity online I wish it wasn't you know I wish it wasn't Coming as a result of what happened on Sunday Sunday I would never want that in a million years. But that's been I guess the one small nice byproduct that that thread that L. Dunkin has inspired the girl dad threads of all the dads with their daughters and things. These are beautiful things. I wish it wasn't at the expense of these lives But I do hope that we can be better people and and honestly being at ESPN today and being at ESPN Monday. especially like I kind of feel and these are my interactions with people. I do feel like you know we are hit by it because because we we we work in sports we live and breathe sports. I do feel like people are a little kinder to each other in a little nicer and a little more compassionate. I don't know if that's going going to last but to your point I grew the sentiment. I hope it does remain. I hope it does last. I hope that's you know it's been ugly. Couple years in our in our in our world and Things happen and will continue to happen but I do hope that we are kinder and remind everyone to appreciate life and appreciate each other and love each other and tell people how you feel about them and so in the spirit of that I love you. TST and I love New York Rick and you guys are a big part of my lives and I appreciate get everything that you do for me was hoping you'd say that I love you too and I love mixed martial arts thank you that should be your t-shirt. Tse T shirt shirt. I love mixed martial arts with called the COVINGTON in Israel destiny on the back. Wow look at that. Look at that pronunciation. You've come a long best you've come along I was looking being at the rankings. That some of you guys put together the thirty three twenty one rankings came out and I was like wow I know every single name on this list I never would have known this year ago. Well so if you if you and I suggest checking it out dot com slash. If you know all those names you will definitely no one through twenty for sure. My guess. I can't wait to see it and I can't wait to hear what you think of. I wonder I don't even know where Colby fell if he did fall. Anywhere wasn't in thirty three twenty one. Wow that's gonna it'd be really interesting tomorrow the eleven through twenty ranking comes out and then one through ten on Friday cool little concept. Check that out right now dot accomplish Emma may also later today check out the bad guy and ESPN plus cheile is chills in Miami. How about that so we did from there? Anyway we're out of time. What a show? Wow Jeez so many angles so much digest. Thank you very much Stephen. A Smith for coming on tremendous. He's the man love talking to him and and I hope that He opened your eyes and ears a little more after that conversation. Thank you as always New York. Rick appreciate his time and of course beg to Horry Mazda and all for the the late appearance. They're they're crazy stuff in Miami for now though we're at a time. Thank you to all of you for listening subscribing downloading commenting reviewing all that sophomore. I appreciate you I love you and I'll talk to you next week

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Kurt Braunohler, Joe Rogan, Tim Dillon, Maria Bamford

Stand-Up w/ Chris Distefano

45:44 min | 11 months ago

Kurt Braunohler, Joe Rogan, Tim Dillon, Maria Bamford

"You're listening to comedy central. Have you ever met somebody who's so bad at their job that they actually we go all the way around to being like a genius at doing the opposite of their job and now I was away to for many many years I know it's a tough job but this woman was like it was as if she had never been in a restaurant in her life and actually that's even to kind it was almost as if she had just just landed on a spaceship from outer space and then the first structure she walked into a restaurant and they're like here's a job and she was like what are words because we ordered to bloody Marys and after about fifteen minutes in an empty restaurant she came out with two drinks one was pink and one was Brown and we were simply confused and I said why are those two different colors and she just went and disappeared it inside with gone for ten minutes and then came out with them changed. Put them on the table and I was like what happened in there. Did you just like walk into a kitchen just full of sixteen foot tall ants from outer space and she's like just flipping through Encyclopedia Britannicas Dana's watching old episodes. I Love Lucy track figure out what the fuck humans do restaurants these days like I expected her to come out to the table a like a gift for you. Sir and we're GonNa get for you and then go to the flower in the middle of the table. And what will you be having what she never mind. Hey Welcome to stand up for Christmas death row. That was curb bronchiolar. ooh Yeah Nicole Voices here Kristie Stephanie Ramos here returned earned by the turn John Nicole. You couldn't way to immediately replace me with a lesbian that is my goal in all parts of my life is is just to find a lesbian instead. Yeah yes I don't I know it was it was we did. We did impressions of you. We I I drink a smoothie that day. It was really it was tough. I missed you huge cine Washington Fan. I hope she likes me to think she does good. She seemed to show a lot of reverence and respect for you really good better fucking beat beat her. Okay don't say that don't say that don't say that. I'm just kidding. okay so here's the good news for us right. Yes we we got an ad Santa Cruz Steph. L. podcast was read on Joe Rogan podcast ever heard of America which is a huge deal. Dow Jerry Twenty nineteen. It's kind of like having your ad read or something on like the tonight show with Johnny Carson like in the eighties. It's huge so we decided because you know we're just it's twenty nineteen and we're hoping that people from Joe Rogan's podcast came here. Welcome welcome. We're GONNA talk about Aliens Yeah. We're GONNA play aged clip and everybody's comedy is just everybody who we play today. Comedy wise is just there is about alien alien slash Joe Rogan the teams you're playing Maria Bamford ailing clips and then we got the Joe Rogan Tim Dillon Block in the man who just want to cook out and just whatever you know how it is. It's just like let's just find ways to get people to stay so wrestling. We'll be transparent. Talk about fucking. Let's talk about mixed martial arts. do you do that. You're okay. Let's talk about hunting elk meat. Let's just talk about everything from Boston zero. These this is right in my alley yeah yeah. I just came back from it. have you ever in your life. No never right now. Yeah me neither I've been hunted. My Dad took me once to my mother when I was a kid dot like I was being too much of a pussy and because I like cried at boy scouts so my mother was like you have to toughen up. Chris Chris Explains. If you think so my dad took me my dad's like it was like an off like kind of in and out of jail criminal kind of Guy Okay so oh he took me to like Dab. We were driving. New Jersey and he just turned off the highway not often exit just like in the middle of two exits just turned and drove into the woods. I'm Mike when he took out like any legal handgun and this is all true. I'm like we started like shooting at animals deep in the woods. The wild rice grew up like in a like Ben Affleck movie or something I mean. Did you ever tell you that people tell me I look like Ben Affleck and Ben Stiller. You've told me how wild is that doesn't make sense what it's like. Don't see it at all. It's still crazy that that happens to me all the time and of course I get better Orca all the time. Oh yes and of course we have to yes he's not gonNA. He's out though now right like even GonNa yet for Democrats like I don't know if like he'll even people even care. I don't know about him. I hope for the listeners we are Libertarians. Oh yeah that's right. We're Libertarians. Yes it's true we believe in what is the Libertarians believe in a like the free market and Elstein they believe Jill Stein said where'd you Jill Stein politics. Listen to me guy. I don't know what's going on. He knows Libertarians are BAE obey. That's me trying to fit in with Joe. Rogan Scott Bay pertains changed base so I I was traveling even traveling yeah I went. I have to go to the Moines Iowa this week. I'm in Kansas City. Middle America Hullo yeah. I've been doing like a lot of stand up working on my second hour which I'm going to do in Chicago by the way I've made that decision Chicago. I'll go is such a good comedy city. It's like the one of the best comedy cities because they're very blue collar so they get it but then they also have a lot of like you know like hipsters and like it's pretty much like New York but smaller and cleaner. That's just what it is. Sane groups of people like you'll have the same ain't groups of people sitting in the audience and I just I wanted to do a special. I've done one in New York. I've done Saturday aways comedy central. Thank you check it to my comedy central trump presents half hour in Boston Chicago. Those are the three big cities and you need. La Obviously on the west coast but I I don't know why I don't want to. I just Kinda like still. I like a city like I like to have like a neighbor in. La You don't have neighbors right because it's just too spread out yeah no you have you have neighbors gets what Hadeed sister Oh true or a member of foster families but I always feel like you can get Eddie and by mountain lion or Cougar do have those there but the you could get you to buy a person here so she'll use your who's your WanNa get powered by truth truth. Choose the truth. My Mom bought me this teacher. I'm wearing to John Barbados t shirt and I don't like it but I'm wearing my mom great because this is a visual. 'em. So perfect for your Montazeri Montas while I'm just like I'm at a point in my life now. I don't want any graphics or anything on my t shirt. Just WanNa wear solid colored. T. Shirt is that I don't know now. I just kind of feel like I've just reached a stage in my life where like I like how your address very nice today. Solid colors black jeans black shirt green button down thank you. I want to just like you well the back. If the back of all my classes like forever twenty one like visual all the way down to do matching. What's your shopping for over twenty one or do you shop forever twenty one? I did when you were a little girl was fourteen big boy grouping into an adult man and now I shop at Rei Do you own a gun. We we do because we're love quite shoe. when you were hunting with your dad it was like it was like a like a handgun like probably like an illegal handgun with what shooting like. He was just like practicing like shooting weapon. Did you get anything no did he no he it was like sitting in a lawn chair like falling asleep. It was bizarre. I was like ten years old just for the love the game well no because he was like. Oh my mother you know your mother said I got to take you out hunting because you're being a Pussy so oh my God this is this is a gun. Oh my God that's the one and only time ever in my life ever held a gun though that's great when parents thought I need to toughen up daily Joffe Lake chess camp the go-to camp. Do you play chess. I used to be really good. Chess is a very intr- I play checkers which I'm just not a smart person. Chess is like the colors the mental workout of chest like all my daughter to play chess. Yeah I used to have like a little hand held magnetic version. You could just keep in your pocket. I had a lot of friends yes. It's pretty sick today for me. Starts my daughter's starting dance so it's like a full unlike a dance mom now you are. It's a whole world and I'm going to be like the only dad there. I feel like when my kids mom is working. She works on Tuesday so she can't be there about so. I'm going to be there but like what happens now up opponent. My daughter loves to choose some for that. That'd be great yeah. Let's play the next clips. All Joe Rogan his neck Joe Rogan Tim Dillon. Let's play it all right. Big Foot's real. All those things are real aliens. They're all real. Government tries to hide it because chaos would ensue if everybody knew. I think aliens come to Earth just to fuck around really. Do I really think that's why they come in the middle of the night and I think that's also why they haven't saved us. WHAT WOULD YOU DO L. A. Few intelligent species from another planet. Would you teach us anything imagine if we showed up in some strange part of the Congo where people that never been we found some super advanced chimpanzees that had vented vented cell phones and rocket launchers at all they were doing is taking pictures there Dick and shoot each other in the face like what the fuck are you guys doing kimmy. Hey cut the shit's. Why hasn't someone done us. They're not coming and if they did man we'd have to explain a lot shit. There's a lot of our society operates on this weird momentum. We pretend things are normal. Keep doing the same shit over and over again because it's a tradition like circumcision like allow a lot of weird shit that people do why do they do. They do it because they've always done it but a certain point in time. We're going to keep doing it that way. Like what if we had to explain it like if aliens came down here and we had explained human culture what would be the most confusing thing to explain Kim Kardashian. I'm not even a joke nothing wrong with her. She seems like a reasonable nice. person doesn't seem mean. I got no problem with her but if you explain why why she's the most famous one on the planet. It'll be a little difficult if they're like what's going on why her you'd be like ooh that is the the most famous female on the planet by the way. I see you shaking your head. FAMOUS OPRAH NO sex tape. She wins people paying attention to you. I really think that's the most most famous person on the planet. That's a female and if you're talking to aliens. You're like how did that happen. Do you guys know what football is. You'd have to explain football aw because you'd have to explain. OJ Simpson if you really truly tell the Kim Kardashian tail correctly you'd have to go football is the great American pastime and what it is is is our number one sport we the biggest super athletes and we pat him up. It's all about moving. The ball crossed the line okay. The ball goes crossed that line. Everybody gets fucking pumped. OPT is that means we score but if the boggles crossed that line everybody gets really sad because that means they scored okay so more people watch football football then vote for president so number one thing now. OJ Simpson was really good at football so he fucked a lot of white chicks and he got crazy. He married one of them and what marriage is you write some shit down on paper and then when the woman gets tired of your nonsense she can leave and have sex with new men but you have to continue sending her money yeah well. Oji wasn't buying that either so he he allegedly got a thing called the kitchen knife and he found his ex wife alone with another man and he put the knife in their bodies until they stopped being alive and then he hired a team of legal assassins to get him out of trouble and they worked their verbal wizardry Zardri because if the club does not fit you must acquit and all this craziness and OJ walked on all charges but card dashing and Johnny Cochran died young long cancer now. I don't know of Karma really is a motherfucker but if you got a better example tweeted my way you know what I'm saying but this is not Kim's fault and Kim is Robert Ashes Daughter and when dad leaves behind a daughter these hold there's a void men need moms in girls need. Das- There's this weird thing that happens we have a Yin and Yang and when a young girl grows up without a father a lot of the Times they developed this exorbitant need male attention and it can manifest itself and some really sad ways like thank you become strippers they become prostitutes or in Kim's Keishi talked this black guy with a giant Dick and she filmed it and then it got on the Internet she was like she went on from that to make fifty times more than the president of the United States. Those are real numbers if you went to Harvard Business School and said listen. I'm thinking about starting business. I want to make about fifty times when the president here's here's my plan. I'M GONNA fucking arm basing giant Dick and I'm GonNa film it and that's it. They would be like get the a fall out of our office. You don't know shit about business. Meanwhile they're wrong. They're wrong and she's right. A woman with a fake ass makes it's fifty times more than the commander in chief of the greatest army. The world has ever known and aliens would be like. We're GONNA fucking. Kill you okay. Oh my God you through stopped football. We're GONNA kill you it football Nicole. We've spoken about this before and we're going to speak about it again. I would love to you know that I'm ship station for life. Oh Yeah we got tattoos. SHIPS DOT COM everybody. It's the fastest easiest and most affordable way to manage and ship your orders. I'm always shipping. Things could get expensive of course but now it shifts. They should dot com because no matter what you're selling anything. Amazon your website Christie Comedy Dot Com ship stationed brings it all your orders into one simple interface so it's eas- McGee's and ship station works with all the major carriers including USPS Fedex ups even an Amazon fullfillment. 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If you've been buying a pair now's the time to get an amazing deal one more time by Ray con dot com slash standup before I was a comedian media was out of work a lot friend of what's the worst thing about being out of work. What do you think no money very reasonable lancer. It's not no money. It's not poverty. It's not homelessness. It is the unsolicited advice you get from your friends. I was out of work one week. Leave me alone one of my DJ friends my personal trainer slash rush. Dj Friends comes up to me and he goes like this. He goes out. It's pretty fucking simple. You gotta see yourself itself as the world sees you and that's the job you do. I was like okay that may be true but you can't just be a retired detective. I can't just walk around New York City with a cup of coffee being racist. There has to be schooling. I am so happy to not in New York to fucking expensive. You GotTa be evil. That's how much money costs. You GotTa be evil. That's the only fucking way to live in New York City. It's so bad nobody will even admit what they do for reliving because they pay eight grand a month for lost so whatever they do is fucking evil but none of you if you ask somebody what they do for a living you get the same response you like. What do you do for a living always GONNA suit. He's like it's an experimental. You know multi-platform when J. P. Morgan forecloses on a house. I burn it down. I'm a designer. What do you design. I don't WanNa Brag while while the uniform Zik one ton of obey orange I don't like this. Here's the deal who's under thirty now. I feel weird about this job. I had no idea let me let me tell you this. I don't get angry at millennials side. Do not not the thank you thank you for old people here just three elderly in the back who worked security for this theater theater. God bless you. Fuck these kids. Here's the deal if you're under twenty three. You have a fake job. That's Lis- unless you're in the military or a nurse and not if you're under twenty three or the fake chop the problem is if you ask them Elenio about their fake job they are so confident that you feel like a piece of shit you like. What do you do for living there like actually I've been instagram. Mr Graham filter. Excuse me yeah I'm Valencia. I had no idea I had a real job. When I was a millennial academy bullshit like manage to instagram account of a tweet or whatever the hell you nope okay. I had a real job. I sold subprime mortgages. Thank you very much thank you. I saw mansions to janitors. They loved it for six to eight months and then I had to stop doing that because I was growing as a person and the F. B. I know the shit and I was evolving and I moved from Long Island in New York City and I had to get another sales job and this is how soft New York City. I don't want it to happen in New Orleans. I see it happen by the way I don't want it to happen. This is a soft New York is the only thing that I interviewed. A cell was organic baby food but the problem was I brought raw. All of the aggression from the mortgage world into that interview was just an old hit threes like hey welcome to happy baby. I was like I I will do whatever the fuck needs to be done. He's like Oh. We're really proud of the ingredients. We put in the jars. I'm like I don't give a fuck what it goes in those jars. I work for you. He's like well. This is just going to the food co-op and talking to parents. I'm like well. I won't talk to the FEDS putting game now. They call the cops but fuck them. They don't WanNa make money that was girogio and Tim Tim Dillon. Yeah we were off air. We were talking about hunting elk meat and on sponsors the Joe Rogan podcast. They don't sponsor us but we just want to say that we like on it. We also like on it. Yeah California. I like my two favorite cities are Boston and Los Angeles shout out the comedy store. La That's Oh you don't can we talk about Chapelle. Do you WANNA talk about Dave Chapelle real quick. What did you watch a special. Now haven't okay and food food food food food shadow tails backyard honey and she said. Oh Yeah Chapelle okay. Let me say something curious actually to hear what you think about this. I tell not only they do. I think that it's important to watch. Dave chapelle stuff. If you're a comedian. I think it's just a person living in on this planet right now. go like I told my kids mom. I was like listen do me favor just go watch Dave Chapelle. Just go watch just go watch his special Joel. Okay just go watch listen to what he saying. Listen to what he thinks about things and how I feel I feel as a comedian on like when I saw first of all I knew for a fact that there were going to be haters all over the Internet for that special. I knew it. I knew that it was going to be that same that same small group. That's very loud that you think that's what everybody thinks because then when the rotten tomatoes thing came out and it's ninety nine percent from the audience seventeen percent from the critics. I'm like here we go now like the finally like I feel like we're at a point now like a crossroads where it's like the bullshit is starting to be like it's starting to come out now where it's like. Hey the audience audience. Nobody's mad at this. The majority of America loves this Shit. They love the ship because all he like even with the trump stuff right when they were like somebody on the epilogue was like what are you. GonNa do do if Donald trump becomes president again. He was like get a tax break. It's like that's hilarious. It's hilarious but it's true. It's hilarious because it's true a lot of times like he's so funny what he's saying. There's certain times like comedian say something like I don't agree with that and the reason why I don't agree with it is because it's I don't agree with it fundamentally but it's like it's also not that funny wish Chapelle he could save that he could say a polar opposite view of what I think but I'd be like Oh. He's so funny. His talent is so like next next level that you're like you know what I agree. I agree with you Dave. Even though I don't I deal with you got me there like the most anti you you know like even the most liberal people like you can't even imagine how liberally are would laugh when he said I'll get a tax break from the trump thing. It's like it's just funny. I'm I'm sure gay people. I loved him that storytelling about the transgender women. It's like he loved it. You know like I I. That's my opinion on it that other people that everyone that that will not that. Everyone loves it if you don't like I think if you here's what I think here's what I think yes. I think if you're a person that needs needs to laugh. You'll laugh at Dave Chapelle. If you're a person that is in comedy or like likes comedy 'cause like you really don't have any fucking real problems but you're just like okay life's boring so I can get offended by that but a factory worker from Iowa Gay straight black white whatever they laughed at Dave Chapelle for sure. They laughed at him. I believe I genuinely believe people. The the the the one of the main concerns I saw in my little corner of the Internet was that for someone who used to be so like who stop doing his show because of like people laughing at the wrong reasons that it was weird to see him take the side of someone who can now like who is in a position of power and is like making fun of people that don't have a Lotta Dave Chapelle. I don't think he really stopped when you talk to Dave Chapelle unlike the people around him as I do I have I have. He didn't stop because he stopped because of like the Hollywood machine. That's like disgusting this like the fake bullshit that you get all day every day and when you go out to Hollywood for any extended amount of time and you're around people in entertainment this fake bullshit that you see. He stopped because of that. I can't be around that anymore with this like I don't want to sell out anymore and like I just don't WanNa do that so that's why he stopped like six like. Netflix specials for like a million dollar million dollars like ninety big-time icon but it's also like I think like he's like old school in the way like a comedian supposed to be able to you supposed to watch Chapelle. If you like comedy and be like you know what I'm watching him with. No I'm watching him with kind of just understanding. It's all comedy understanding that he's coming from a place of love in his heart with everything he did. I don't believe that Dave hates any group I don. I don't you know the notion notion of like. You're supposed to watch it feel. This is kind of the issue like okay. I did watch the first half of it. I thought it was funny. I thought that I think that in general this sort of idea he has the the people that are getting outraged aren't necessarily the people that are offended. There's something to that and I do think that he's coming with love in his heart. However there I can understand like when the siding with the victims for Michael Jackson thing look like is this really. Is this really like a mantle. You need to take up is it's so important knowing I get I get my view is wrong but I also get why but I also disagree with you. Yeah well well. The thing is the thing is like look yeah first of all telling anybody to do anything thing. It's like. I shouldn't do whatever you want but it's also like the same thing. We're Hannah Gadsby was like this is the way comedy has to be now like it or love it. It's like the Senate in response to her. Know Comedy's gone the that's the that's the sort of disconnect. The bugs me a little bit but also it's like. I think when you watch comedy especially someone like a Dave Chapelle. It's like you really are like he truly is like one of the greatest comedy reminds. I think that's ever lived without it so it's really like it's and that's what I love about comedy. It's so subjective. It's like you can absolutely not like his comedy. Of of course it means absolutely. It's not his things for everybody. Do you think that the idea that comedians have to have like the moral high ground is problematic like I don't want to. I have to answer for like like say fucked up things I would fight for days. She pulls right to say fucked up but then I think that when the country should be about what what's well you're supposed to think of this bigger has become. I think people can get a little bit myopic about it and basically sort of based on their own. objected you. The thing I think is interesting is when comedians get rich. I think is just like one artist in general get rich. I think that's something that that Kinda Kinda feels like the disconnect for me and I don't know it's just interesting to see like what happens because inevitably with are you hope to make a career out of it or something with comedy and then they get really rich and I think that there is just some kind of disconnect between someone who's so fucking rich like that right and and people watching it and I think people feel that well and I'll say this. I agree with you. I think like stand ups. especially the the art form is like you have to appeal to the common man. That's you know that's why it's like best kind of comedy is the best in the most intimate setting you can do comedy massive square garden and but there's a disconnect right like that's comedy great. It's small so I think like even like when you look at no comparison between the two but like if you look at the first two Kevin Hart specials astles when he was kind of like doing very well but like still you know was around the common people I mean. It's one of the funniest common man let's at one of the most funny it's one of the funniest specials you'll ever see. It says I you special. It's like you can't stop laughing and then his last one. It's like an Eagle Stadium and there's fire and stuff like that because he's just been disconnected and it's not as funny he still genius. I mean he's still Kevin Hart but it's like he's disconnected Chapelle. I thought as a comedian did a very very good job of staying connected to what I think someone. I'm using Iowa's like it's just middle of the country I at some some worker in Iowa can watch with their families. That's just represents like a big part of America. I think like that he did a very good job good job as he could being a multi multimillionaire and and just still speaking to you know the common man where I think other comedians have done far less of a job. It's very hard to do. I mean when you're when you can take like a fucking helicopter somewhere. You know it's hard to think of a joke that a person who's riding the train would laugh at you know it's like it's hard like even like you know. I've seen comedians do around like. I don't know I get what you're saying but it's like you still talking about your mansion or you're still talking about things that are like you have so much money like do you really know yeah so. I personally you know I also think it when you look walk around like if you know it's Kinda just keep showing like the New York. La like these big cities are like they're just like little islands off the coast of Real America because I believe the middle of the country they don't they just tore like what are you talking about like. There's no like we liked it. I am I not supposed post like it now like we liked it so and you find that is literally every Wednesday. We liked it. I mean some of them. Some of them didn't that's the majority it but that whole thing have have we talked about this and that episode our pride episode about like the in Group bias where you think everyone you see differences within your own group but not within like there's a whole spectrum actress people that felt differently about it like that's that's the thing get lost in this is that there's not like a correct but I think the numbers don't lie either where it's like when I know rotten tomatoes is like who I mean. That's just one website but it's like you see ninety nine percent of the on everybody loved it but the critics did not you know Joe Rogan episode yeah this is this is us and characters Joe Rogan. I'm it's interesting. I'll watch this. I don't know I don't know I think I think Joe Rogan. Fans are Dr Love. I think it's just so many people it'll be like down them it. It's good to get contract. conversation started anyway. You know there's people who are. GonNa can't disagree with me. More people aren't like finally somebody saying something. You know so it's my last name. Yes yes yes yes so I don't know with that being said Maria Bamford who's awesome by the way. Have you ever really sat and watched Maria Bamford. I mean ignoring Chapelle. She's so did you not like at all. I haven't seen it. That's why you see so my my the beginning uh-huh wow yeah my intake is limited. My opinion is limited to also. It's one of those things where I'm very I'm pretty influenceable like I will read an article and agree with whatever the the person says and then read another article on the person that there's just different takes on it and I watched the wise because I felt like homework for me. You know as a comedian. That's sort it felt like you know because I'm someone who wants to do Dave. Does you know so. It's like I've watched it twice and I'm just like I don't well everyone able to have those opinions because we live in the United States of America yeah. Everyone can have an opinion about absolutely have an opinion but that's why that's why I think it's good to have these conversations collection that Daesh Pumpkin have any opinion even but that's why I think like long I just want to say I think that's what's great about this we should. I don't think we do this enough. I think now it's like if you don't don't agree with me. Fuck you. It's like we can't have that. It's like more. Three of US can have different opinions here and still be. BFF's forever like it's one life but I feel like now. It's like you know you know. You'RE GONNA hate somebody because of one thing they don't agree with you. I I think people want you to this world to be black and white but it's great this gray area being being human is a great grey zone. somethings somethings. I could find ten things that are really shitty about some of our greatest heroes. You know I'm sure I could yes. It's true. It's just what it is. You're not Unicol. No I haven't done anything wrong ever in my life in the call call which makes me perfect Khloe. I Miss Khloe. She's right. You are all over the world. I did a but a traveling. Should we go on a trip. Should we seriously going take the fucking boss to Atlantic city like do dirty shit like that yeah. That's I know from Khloe. That's from coastal elite. Yeah well world coastal elites from from the coast. That's funny about you. Though crisis like you have this sort of working class thing of Brooklyn. It's like but the other you're with sad gotTA leave. Brooklyn and go a different part of Brooklyn different opinions different opinions well. That's a great point about being New York. It's like you can go to different neighbors. It's different parts of the country entry. January like literally like my part of Brooklyn you now is like pretty liberal and then you cross the verizon bridge and it's like trump country so it's like I can see it. It's like yeah it's but that's good and I guess bad about living in New York but will be in Des Moines Iowa and Kansas City this Friday and Saturday so jagged chugging all right. Maria Bamford the best see you next week. Oh that's it yeah unless you have go listen. I think we solve everything. Do you want this to be three hours like Joe Rogan yes. That's another good thing we did we did it gave them a long. One all right that was our introduction announced him to be getting. 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#1376 - Artie Lange

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#1376 - Artie Lange

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R. E. STAMPS DOT com never go to the Post Office Again Ladies and gentlemen my guest today is a fucking an awesome stand up comedian a beautiful person and one of my favorite people on the planet Earth please welcome the great and powerful Artie Lang Joe Rogan experience? PODCAST timing on we're going first of all before we get started I want to say thank you to Louis J Gomez for hooking up shout out to the lead skanks without them we would be nothing yeah absolutely hey man what's up Joe Rogan brother Hey I'm alive your lot Lukman I've been following this everybody's been fall on you it's first of all tax should be zone you're very supportive Joe I mean that means a lot to me I'm happy to see how healthy you look good your face looks good yeah yeah thin you look you look healthy you look like you're you're vibrant I'm President I talked to tell and David came to visit me in Rehab and he said and your president you don't want to leave every five seconds yeah which is what cocaine does to you you know so I feel good I feel good I mean it's I got nine in wants clean that's amazing that's amazing two days ago months what's the Hump like what do they say you have to get over before you can stay clean well first of all my my drug history is insane it's it started when the first time I got high and I tell these young kids 'cause I'm fifty two now so I was in I was in Rehab and jail a halfway house the last eight months and some of the craziest motherfuckers you've ever met in your life and and they all have stories but once they know my story because I had some success in life basically as a full blown junkie they're fascinated by it a UH and the first time I got high was nineteen seventy nine Jimmy Jimmy Carter was president so when you tell a twenty two year old kid that don't like blown blown away that I'm even alive and I am too I I was I hit a home run in Little League limit forget this and I my buddies older brother we used to call us kids sick Jack I don't know what happened to him but he he had the joint and I took a puff for the weed and from the eleven years old I knew I loved it so much I just loved I loved the feeling of being out of control you talk to a normal person they go I hate being out of control I loved did I love like wow and you have an excuse for it I was fucked up that's the thing yeah as us for being wild excuse for being a screw up you know yeah and my old man was a lunatic he was not a drug addict or an alcoholic but he was a criminal who was a low level criminal he came to the streets NORC and got the tenth grade and high school and he was like my favorite human being of all time he was like my older brother but I saw him do a lot of bad shit shit I saw fight all the time he was a boxer when he was young and the Real Street smart guy and his life was chaos and I love the chaos I was addicted to risk that's why I'm a gambler to so when cocaine came into my life a few two years later I was sixteen the first time I did a lot of blow and that was really fun because now you're up all the time and and that started basically a thirty five year drug run that didn't end the like nine months ago I mean I don't know if it's ended you know that's the thing I don't put pressure on myself I'm like it's one that one day at a time stuff it sounds so cliche but I take it one minute at a time I can't guarantee people I'm never gonNA get high again I just no I'm not going to hide the next ten minutes and I don't there is there a risk of saying that you don't know if you're ever going to get high again like the direct opposite is true that's what they tell you in a program like narcotics anonymous and again get I'm not so big program guy on eternal God guy anything like that but I'm a little more spiritual I would say and you know it's used to tell me the last time I was on the show you are you telling me to try to live right exercise anything anything that you do today that's positive I in other words but by saying you'll never get high again and I used to do that all the time when you really bullshitting yourself and everybody else you put a lot of pressure on on yourself you know like even these young kids poor kids men are looking at a lot of jail time prison time delivered on the fucking bridge somebody's kids and they got nothing that's why you know the careers of me and you have a congratulations on everything you've done joe man you you're solid guy a great talent but you know the careers we have our such blessings I mean we're living out the dream and these kids have nothing and for twenty three year old kid to say a in a in a group therapy session anywhere I'm never gonNA get high again ditch daunting to say you're never going to do anything again and even for me at fifty two years old I love it you got to say I love I love being high I love the chaos I loved the lifestyle you get addicted to the lifestyle to live you don't live live like everybody else you know and I had a means of making money legally and these kids had robbed to get all the Shit and and so that was enabling to we live in an enabling world but to say you're never going to get high again there's so much pressure to say I don't know and you just work on the next day and for me it's like I take it minute by minute literally I got high like we're here on the lower east side of Manhattan right now I got high everywhere here back in the eighties I used to come here my buddies older brother and get masculine hits lose back in the day you know we in Washington Washington Square Park blow so there's triggers all over the place so I just say if I can get this one more just get one more block without fucking up that turns into a day and in time you know so it's harder to say for yourself I I'll never get high hi good what was the longest you went before this nine month stretch it feels like the last time I had nine months clean I was nine months old I I'm GonNa okay in the late nineties I came out to La County jail again the first time I got arrested I got arrested for attempted bank robbery when I was seventeen years old I I wrote a bank teller joke no that said I have a gun and I went to jail and I got a probation I asked his tell it for fifty thousand dollars Whoa and and she started to give me the money and she puts you she hit the sound alarm I was with my girlfriend at the time I was seventeen eighteen so swat team showed up to our house we just left and you had the money I didn't take the money and she started to give me the money but again this is my fucked up personality I I was like wow I'm gonna get fifty Geez you know started to give it to be but then some said I can't do this I took the note I gave her and I cropped ah by said I I'm just kidding then I threw it in garbage cam I get my girlfriend's car and she drives away she goes what happened even tell her I go I it's bullshit they they had her name she got an account she's an adult Swat team shows up at our house so we both get arrested were handcuffed and I go to jail she I say say poor old man I think was connected it was like a mob guy and he sat me down and he goes when you rob a bank you know take my daughter he didn't have a problem robbing a bank he had a problem that I took his daughter don't take women when you have a bag and I I I wasn't tried around bagels night he goes I know your place your Craig and he was but again I I just loved the the action that's why gala so I go out to La I get mad TV now making ten grand the week and then I got a bad cold game from and I started gambling the first I tasted holyfield fight I lost twenty five thousand dollars I thought Tyson was gonNA fuck and kill them and Quincy Jones who produced Mad TV got us a ringside seats at the at Ah fight and I lose twenty five grand on a fight another eight grand tables I get blow I take it on the plane back to La at one o'clock in the morning I take a swing at a cop up and go to La County jail for trying to assault a cop and he found that April so April Cocom e I take a swing at a cop and that's my last day ED TV Oh Jesus will use this this is nineteen ninety-six right after we did that sketch amid which is like ninety five ninety six it was ninety ninety six the second season which is funny to watch because it's so fucking long ago it's about about a month after that we we tape that sketch I got arrested wow wow and so I go to La County I come out Elliott County I'm on probation and I gotta take urine tests and everything so I got clean so to answer to your question I had almost a year clean at that point and then after that it was off to the races again I nine months is the second longest I've had cleaned since I'm eleven years old what are you doing for thrills do you place the Joe Rogan podcast do you have to do something to replace Lacewell ambling or not gambling right that's question no I can't I can't do anything because it escalates right that's all right it escalates if I put a five dollar bet on a roulette table right now by tomorrow morning I'd be running guns to Cuba I I'd I'd have human trafficking rate everything everything the badness just gets worse and worse because I have a beer right and that's too that's too though I mean I can't have one beer I took me a long time to grab that concept some people can't so had moments where you could have one beer in your life you ever gone pizza have a couple of beers ears and that's it yeah watching a game but the problem is I mix vices I tell us when I was a little short at the Port Newark Okay for a couple of years I I was the orange juice beer this happen twice I had a bookie I used to gamble with so drinking coke and gambling does not mix well that's why they give you free drinks at a casino because you've messed up yeah yeah so I'm for Monday night football the bookie took that's up to eight o'clock kick-off was nine o'clock so at five thirty right after I got out of work I would call the book and I would say Gimme Gimme a thousand dollars on the giants play cowboys give me a thousand on the giants then I started drinking seven thirty comes around I forget I made the bet two separate times I bet on the other team at seven thirty I called the book and I said give me the cowboys so all like to do is lose the vague lures so this happened twice so the bookie bookies tape all your calls and they destroy the tape at the end before the cops get what they do is they have the calls on tape in case you have a you have a dispute got a bet that he goes oh I got you on tape don't it so so I said to the rookie why did you let me do that he goes you gotta learn a life lesson thanks Mr Bookie for giving me a life lesson you know I'm trying to win money and he goes I gotta tape you you at five thirty make bet so at five thirty I'm like all articulate I go yeah give me the giants laying seven over the cowboys over forty one give me a dime which cabals here's you at seven thirty fucking cow I I want the cowboys you just but the jibes flop Doodo I did it on the phone giving the cowboys I'm a cowboy reports I met some cowboy fan talk so he's a he's trying to give you life coaching my God so so what happens there's if I would go have the one beer on a Tuesday night in February two sports bar then I realized Virginia Tech is playing in a college basketball game I bet Virginia Tech Than I have two years then I got coked and it's all so your question is a great question what do I do I what are you replacing it that's that's where this business which is taking me back now I think eleven time this is my eleventh comeback I have fans that I got that you know through TV and the Stern show of course dad are so loyal stand up stand up this business what we're doing right now to another guy love bullshit and making money we doing comedy I have a Gig in Poughkeepsie poughkeepsie and I'm GonNa get on stage and talk to people for an hour and make a lot of money doing it you don't bananas Knob doing a place called laugh it up laugh it up at Poughkeepsie so I did the bananas thing a budget is so you know that that's that's that's what I'm grabbing onto right now 'cause women I've lost three I say this all the time I lost three fiancee's Dante's because the heroin heroin save me a lot of money I dodge three torpedoes with that the Harum was way less expensive than the divorce so right now I cling to my work comedies the only thing that has an abandoned me yes you know and a lot of ways and businesses you you know the keeps taking me back you know a lot of people who are addicts they get really addicted like marathon running right have you ever thought of doing some okay crazy idea but you if you could think you could run a block let me then you run to see you know you run a mile I'm going to do a five k. well I do I do a bit about visit my stand up back when the first time I tried to get off heroin does this distributor who I hired this kid he said I you know ah I guarantee you a heroin high is not as good as a running high and I said to him have you ever tried heroin he goes no oh well then you're not qualified to be in this car because I've done heroin and on occasion I've run and it's not even close out so you'll get a running you got to be in really good shape twenty feet yeah a lot yeah I mean I mean do you run the yeah yeah but I mean I would love to get that kind of thing being in my life again I'm way healthier than I ever was a long time where are you living I live in Hoboken New Jersey yeah there's got to be a place near there yeah no there's nothing that's the thing about nowadays young comics like forget about the drug culture if a if a twenty five year old comedian has some gluten he starts to freak out let's go to alcoholics anonymous they have gluten so there's nothing but healthy shit though and on hoboken it's not the but young people jogging Ah Gang pilates yoga you know it isn't it I you know I get addicted to you can ten get addicted I'm for sure it did exercise I know that I don't know about you for a long time but it can help you yeah yeah well that that getting something like that my life would be the ultimate turnaround yes 'cause I love sports I'm a I'm a good athlete was allstate baseball player and I I could shoot hoops playing a lot of basketball in jail yeah I run a full courts I got an outside shot like crazy and I'm the kind of guy hand eye coordination I could gain weight playing basketball I don't even move I just shoot the ball the running thing is something I you know I I gotta go releasing endorphins yes what you just said see that's a very insightful question because the whole the whole thing is substituting die yeah out finding something else you're obsessed with my life I've always been obsessed with things but luckily none of them have been bad right you know it's been but at the same personality the same personality alley that could've led me to be a junkie meeting just get obsessed with martial arts or comedy or I wish I got addicted Marshall Heroin Yeah I struggled video games pool anything like that I could get better at you know it's funny I everything in my life went back to drugs you know I love shooting pool yeah good we played when we're at my studio yeah I I found when I did cocaine better pool because I- folklore yeah you've got a lot of guys take amphetamines yeah and you have this hand eye coordination gets better so you're playing nine actually wrote a movie script I'm trying to recall booker sugar nine boiler a guy gets way better he become best player okay so he has to keep getting money playing pool this well the best guys from back in the day they were all taken amphetamines like buddy hall all in all these like champions they were all they were all drug addicts and days and days at a time yeah well if the movie hustler with that we're guessing they play for that that was boom these guys really did do that these guys played for the got on pills and they played for days the keys what you said Obsession yes obsession I get obsessed just over a woman I'm dating I get obsessed for you know if anything I like yeah I don't WanNa stop keep rewarding myself to the situation you know you're you're you're very successful guy so is someone going to be able to tell you I was making all this money and I'm taking care of people around me support people people around me and so who's GonNa tell me to stop you know that is always a problem that's a problem and it's a real problem like I'm I make millions of dollars a year yeah fuck you go right I'm not gonNa stop right then what happened is I got I got legal consequences like I've never had before so you situation now like you can't if you test positive at all for anything you're fucked I could go to jail even if like our smoked a joint in this room with you if if it came up I mean that's that's that's you know everybody again I'm on this thing called drug court which is like probation on steroids it's kind of new it's only twenty years old the premise of it is there's not a lot of guys with my charges I right now I've third degree possession charge right now because the the the charge in La is so long ago that was expunged my record so technically I got a first time offense third degree not a lot a lot of guys with that that little of a charge get drug or drug quarters for people who can't stop robbing people in other words they were putting everybody in jail for Robin stuff and they linked that behavior savior back to drug use they were stealing support drug APP so they get all these robberies on the jacket and and they go okay to try to help you instead of giving you prison would you give you this drug court but you got a report like like I gave five urines this week so if I if I got high first of all my situation waiting because I'm well known the second I clean urine cleaner and clean and dirty it's all over the news now with the why did they give give you such a harsh sentence of possession I don't really know are they trying to make things in I think that's part of it yeah because you know every time when I got got the first charge was just regular probation and I got no new charges or anything it was always technical violations because I kept pissing dirty and eventually after I feel they gave me drug court but you know again I got no problem with the people in illegal so what is what is your feeling on what works how do you get someone it's being scared is it that's par acting but you got you gotta WanNa do it right and you WanNa do it right now but it wasn't because they threatened you with so much Lee is what I'm trying to get is there like a method to this that makes any sense impose are supposed to be but the okay the premise so I think the best thing about jail for drug addict is it actually locks you away for the drugs for a little while because she now cocaine made my life chaos for for a long time but what heroin came into the game forget it lights out heroin is if I saw some kid thinking about trying heroin for the first time I would tackle mm-hmm I would do anything to get them to stop because the only way to stop this this opioid crisis prevention doctors became pushers oxy's stumbling that AH drug companies it's a it's a lot of money you know on the legal and illegal out of it so once once heroin getting your system you need it every eight hours you needed every eight hours like it's oxygen so you become desperate withdrawals insane so is it insane like what does it work it's insanity well okay when I became a you know again my story on a Howard Stern show the big headline at the end of why I left that show was and I speak sometimes an meetings and I try to get this through young people's heads I was basically a full-blown Junkie on the biggest radio show of all time yeah I mean that's that's the headline that's not north on the air but I also had a fulltime stand up comedy schedule so my life became the kind of chaos that not many human beings I've ever seen so I I would I would have gigs Pittsburgh Phoenix in Detroit three weeks ago and I gotta go back at six. Am To be on storm now I was by the end I was so paranoid to bring drugs on a plane but I needed the heroin to get on stage because the the signature of picture the flu times ten that's what that's what withdrawals are and there's there's aches all the emotional pain your mask and comes back and so it's withdrawals withdrawals or a living hell so when you see the withdrawals common you see the heroine getting out of your system you're like okay it's going to get really bad then you realize most those people can't leave the room then you realize you gotta do five radio shows we then you gotta fly to Detroit and do stand up on a Saturday night so when I landed in Detroit I wouldn't have heroin so my life became a dance of like I would land in every city and I would say I would get in the cab and I'd say the Cabdriver I need aid kit idea heroin I got a score otherwise I can't do the show sometimes guy would recognize me and tickets to the show I would go to the worst part of Detroit Troy okay or the worst part of anywhere anywhere any city and try to find the narrow because in an hour I gotta be on stage and in twenty thirty minutes I'm going to be deathly sick when I say sick like shit my pants throwing up so this is you're getting there no connection no connections now it's not ever not score yeah I used to call them I used to call them a dope success because withdraws Dope Cygnus and I one time I was on stage in Orlando Lando Florida added to an hour half an hour I realized I'm GONNA ship my pants and for the two thousand people so I said Okay in my head and you know with Your Act Act sometimes you got jokes like a robot so I'm just I'm just going through the motions a this'll get a laugh laugh I realize I'm GonNa Shit ship my pants okay in front of two thousand people so I said there's two choices I could either say guys I gotTa go to the bathroom listen to some music ago Oh shit or Shit my pants in front of three thousand sheep pens now I said play song and I tell them I'm GonNa sit your came back and I said I I was could've ship my pants that's okay this is start it would have been funnier if you share your parent support got stern fans who knows about the ship my pants for the last stepfather show is like them yelling shit your pants Dera particularly ruthless I remember I saw you at the Lex the Luxor in Vegas as one of the first times uh-huh oversaw you in front of a stern fan right this turn fan group right there ruthless it's crazy it's crazy and then they say that they love you but then the screaming shit out out and the Ad Vegas is another again so so that became my life the chaos was insane do you think was encouraged to people incur did they enjoy enjoy the fact that you were off the rails some people yeah some people because of that do you think you identified with that like this is who I am is what I do that's a great question absolutely part of me said maybe this is my thing you know and that's that's you bullshit yourself also you saying it's the reason continue yes you know I could keep fucking up because this is how I make money yes and this is my a lot of money a lot of I mean I okay ah the most money ever did making stand up stand most money I made it was actually at Mandalay Bay Super Bowl two thousand seven this is an example of my life in one one night I made one hundred and forty grand doing stand up okay I got seventy grand for two shows I do too I'm on the plane flying back from Vegas I'm doing the math between the gambled drugs in the hookers I lost one hundred forty five thousand okay so when I got home I account when I was going to give a check for hundred forty the grants I said I need five Jeez oh Jesus I made one hundred forty thousand dollars a night one night my father climbed routes for a living okay he never made that in thirty years and and then I'm going back to co host the biggest radio show ever and I lost one hundred I had a ten thousand dollar hooker who looked like a young Carmen Robert Electric and and I lost money playing craps I lost on the game and and the drugs I bought Jesus News One hundred forty five thousand so after I paid out my commission to the agents the weekend cost me like forty grand of you put this in a book the I don't know if that story is a book I wrote another book in jail to go to fourth book good it's called ripple and running and and I'm trying to I'm trying to I'm trying to get a deal luck wouldn't give you a deal for that Jesus Christ that's just one fucking story the of of of madness now the thing about those stories is so great like it's such a catch twenty two right right the stories are so amazing and people love you for those stories but they also want you to be cleaned well here's here's a so so that's the catch twenty two and I'm saying to myself so again the answer your original question is the on if I want to be honest with you right now the reason the thing that got me the method I'm using now are consequences if I didn't have jail go ahead I don't know what would happen today but I think I'm far enough out of getting high like I got drugs are finally out of my fucking system there's other drugs they give you that are basically legal dope just think it's a boxing and which is an opiate blocker but it's dope as duty I it stops you from getting high on heroin but it stops withdrawals too so you also get high you know it's an opioid but it's legal it's all if you're on what they cost box and maintenance you you can be with that in your urine and you'll be all right if they know you're on it but you're getting hot through doc you get and I it's like Methadone right Methadone we used to have these guys would come to the pool all we'd call the method donations yeah go down the street they'd get their Methadone that comes the pool we'll have another story about the don't for a little while I took methadone at a Methadone clinic while I was on Howard because I was desperately trying to get off heroin but again the only Methadone and heroin is legality lately once the courts are cool with one for some reason and the other one's illegal I mean if you have no legal legal issues why not just keep doing it makes no fucking sense probably better for you heroin is the one that doesn't affect any organ like the way people die on heroin is you you overdose but Keith Richards I mean he just got good shit you've got pure shit and he never oh deed and died so like he's almost preserved it doesn't affect your liver nothing like that so so there's no real consequences other than over other than really other than Odeon end the withdrawals because of a comes apart your body is like it's again I'm not recommending it's living hell living out the lifestyle style and the people that get into your life because so a couple of times I went to a Methadone clinic that opened at six am because the guy was a fan of stern he would let me come into the Methadone. I don't clinic at five thirty and get I took a shot they give you an orange juice okay take a shot of orange juice with the Methadone twice I threw up on the air at one time again I was never funnier off the shit then this Howard was talking I think it was Roseanne Barr and Howard said you look thin she he's on the phone and I'm nauseous like so listen to this timing nauseous that I feel like I'm GonNa throw up and I gotta live Mike You know and she goes yeah and I've been exercising and he goes what he's been doing she goes well I get I get in a two piece bathing suit soon as you said that you know as soon as and how what I was dude at the befuddle Oh gosh what are you doing I go as soon as she said I get to comedic timing was better so so now doing that for a while and at that point I know what the fuck even trying this for you know and some boxing looks a box and help save me and help me get off but eventually you gotta get off that too and you kick heart is at is it hard to get off it okay there's something called Fenton all out yeah okay elephant tranquilizer synthetic it's like spice like synthetic okay all these kids in jail by the way junkies they smoke this K. to shit and they stopped while they're talking to you like a kid will be talking to you in jail jail jumpsuit and just be like he stops looks like he got hit with volcanic ashes something because they spray these these chemicals onto weed and it does something to them they start dancing Julie Andrews always bloods and crips are dancing south of music the hills are alive Jayjay it's really weird so federal is like the heroine version uh-huh synthetic heroin much stronger people are dying from touching it like they touch it it gets cops or die or concentrating overdose guys doing the border his wedding right it comes from China there's always conspiracy theories about China trying to kill us and who knows it's not a Lotta Junkies I was in a rehab which I gotta give a shout at this place turning point join in Patterson is where I really got clean I was there for three months I did a month in jail and then I did three months a turning point great place they really helped me out a lot my counselor Sarah shout out to her but she got clean there but it was patterson in the hood and the gangs would fight each other to get the corner right right across from the Rehab because people come out people come out and they get high to kids I was in there with you know went and got they died that day Jesus just leave and they died that day from channel these are junkies if you get a certain amount of time clean your your willpower your resistance resistance goes down now and so they would take what they used to take and they were out so to get off the box and is very difficult because you gotta kick it it you gotta kick it withdraws take average four to five days and I've done that in jail twice so if you have on your system and and you take us a boxer you go into what they call precept withdrawals which are lake the regular withdrawals times a million like you feel like you're going to die you start to hallucinate this happened to me twice I went to I went to jail not knowing that the coke they put it in everything they put it in the cocaine they put it in the marijuana because they want some people catch a habit and if a couple people die because if you've got to have it I gotta keep going back so you buy what you think is blow it's not it's blow with this federal heroines Brown it's Brown when you get it federal is white so if it's really a lighter color it's it's got Federal People WanNa they get high so bad they take the risk if you're a junkie take that risk so I did not know I had fennel might system cocaine so I get I get the jail and I see this kid into bullpen at the jail and he was a dealer I do from the street and he only your favor and these kids smuggled drugs in Inter in the band the era sweatpants they have it right here and if you see a kid going like this all the time and kids walking over to him he's got something so I went to the kid and I said what do you got and he goes I I just got subs so boxing I give me one because I you know I couldn't deal with the anxiety and he gave it to me I didn't know I had spent all of my system I took us a boxing oxen would it and in ten minutes I was riding on the floor just just so they threw me in a cell and I had I had a kick ass kicked with with those kinds of withdrawals in jail cell how long does it last five days to five days now the CEO's when I was kicking county jail the CEO's they're I I love them they're great guys are tough motherfuckers they got a tough job and they they were very supportive of me and they protect their they were good guys but so they were giving me food they were trying to keep hydrated and shit there was a doctor there it was really cool but I I was naked 'cause you're also on a suicide watch people kick from heroin again also motion paint comes back on you and a lot of people commit suicide so they give you what they call this turtle shell you're naked get and you go on this turtle velcro thing so I kicked for five days in that thing just just rolling around I started elucidate my old man's been dead for thirty years I could've swore he was talking to me right in front of me yeah it's and then and then knowing that then I get it out of my system I get out of jail and I'm and I and I get high an hour later you know so you know if you keep doing that there's something wrong so what happened this time that changed I they kept away for longer than I ever was I I was doing I was doing like two week bid week bid in jail this time I was in jail for almost two months and I kicked that I went to a long term rehab and I got locked away from it and and I started to think clear and think about the consequences and think about my mom and the fact that my mother is as great Italian woman who you know I thought she just needed money for me I took my own man on his deathbed said take care of your mother as an Italian guy from North Jersey you think that means money doesn't mean anything anything else so I kept giving her money not know she was worried about me dying all the time so she I thought about her pain and I said said I can't do this anymore so I started to think clear and then the one day at a time comes on so wow that's the difference the difference was I was locked away from the dope longer than I ever was so not only did the physical withdrawals go away but the mental which were Charlie Parker jazz musician was a heroin addict was thirty five he said they can and get it out of your body but they can never get a lot of your brain Charlie Parker died at thirty five Charlie Park was thirty five Jesus Christ Karner said he was sixty six yeah but but he had the most most profound thing I ever heard someone say about heroin he said they can get it out of your brain but they can get it out of your body but they can't get it out of your brain because you remember remember the it's a way to deal deal with shit and it's a maternal thing right it's almost like being in the womb didn't never done but knee surgery they gave me a morphine drip off off-again Gimme a button I was in the hospital I get hit it anytime I wanted to get hammered then thing yeah of course he just glide off to the most beautiful wonderful feeling well that's the thing about about drugs they work it's instant and again that's something else in our business like I you know I don't want to wait for anything you want the money now I wanna come now I will get high now I want to gamble now that's the part of what makes you a great comic McDowell that impulsive wildness is what people enjoy in Rama Ix Akmal all my favorite comics Kennison Joey Diaz Yeah L. of them struggled Gould all of them yeah it's it's Drier Richard Pryor Yeah Lenny Bruce Lenny Bruce Hicks all of them all of them bitch sure sure yeah Robin Williams everybody everybody had drug problems I Greg Giraldo I'll give you a great greg draws right okay so pistole me sums up a comedian who also a drug addict two thousand six William Shatner Roast Comedy Central I draw the was just hit with the row she was he's going to be a big deal but I'd party with him a couple of times we both had the same problem so so we would only two guys coming from New York City to do the chatting arrose this was oh sex for comedy central so I'm at the JFK I lounge I first class lounge waiting for my plane and I know Greg is supposed to be on a plane he shows shows up five minutes before the plane takes off and goes already man he like hugged me sweating he goes I'm tweaking like he was on taking amphetamines so I go he goes I'm not getting on a plane I go dude you're you're the best guy at the road you have to get on a plane does your career and he goes I can't get on a plane I go you have to get on a plane so I had all this Vicadin I smuggled under Mike under my sock I said take a couple of them and have a beer so I got him a beer and he's tried to calm down I literally held his hand okay I held his hand gun on a plane I changed my seat to sit next to him he was too early to go to the bathroom so I would guard the bathroom so no one could come in and I we get to La now we gotta go to a dress ashore hersal at CBS Radford Farah Fawcett was on that rose so now he's still freaking out paranoid and he he goes over to hug firefox so I go you can't Geico near fire force I go not always the over he goes out to hug fire I have to kiss her I go I go you can't kiss take your kid get arrested I go down your career is over you're going to be arrested for sexually assaulting fire Faucet on Peta means so I go you just got to calm the fuck out we get to dress rehearsal and he goes please don't tell anybody and now I've been there so I know what he's so I I want so we go back to the hotel I'd I leave my room I sit by like Florence fucking nightingale I'm giving them like hot compresses and shit the morning the next morning the cars company got us to take hosted a show at noon and he comes out of it he comes out of the bathroom because I think I'm I came down he hugs me crying he goes thank you so much go dude you would've done the same I think for me okay so now we go to the roast he's the first roaster up first thing he says he goes already lying here how about ahead for airline and everybody pause it looks to me goes look at you already you fat fuck drug addicts the first and I wouldn't that look the comedian media yes that looks a comedian do they're gonNA take it I just saved his fucking crying I practically made out with them ooh I stopped them from sexually assaulting one of the Charlie's angels the one the one he goes Hispanic Syrup I've never said that to another human being very few people hardly ever have the first thing he says is you fat fucking drug habit and and then he gives God me one again this is something things you wish you had on tape about nine thousand nine hundred eighty me Mitch Hedberg Greg Giraldo both did sets we all three of US sets at the comedy cellar and there was an old diner on a nine hundred twenty third call Chelsea Square diner I don't know if it's still there anymore the three of us was be Greg and Mitch and why God spared me at that three I have no idea it's just sheer luck but God spared me for some reason I don't know why and I remember talking the three of us talking about about drugs and Hedberg you told us to a couple of people and Mitch as well I did a couple of gigs with him but he said a lot of people trying to get me to stop I'm never going to stop you said I'm just just just don't waste your time I've never gonNA stop doing it I love it that much and at the time I didn't realize how dark that was and he died you know he's been dead almost fifteen years now you talk about a real genius you know and like he just was like I just I know I can never stop like that's how much it takes it takes over to the point where you know you might die he goes I don't count ah I WANNA do it this way jeeze so again remember when you almost died from gangrene shoot the same hole so he was going through he might have been with a towel I dunno Ann Lewis Black they did a tour together and again that's one of the stories yet the security at the the airport smelled the gangrene that's how they found out yeah and they found shit I think he'd beat the case I think paraphernalia stuff but you're talking about you you know one of the best maybe the best joke writer ever and he just doesn't like I just again when you live in this life like stand ups most of us dream to doing this our whole lives and now you're doing it who's going to tell you to stop anything I think with him to the there were inseparable the stand up in the heroin to get like miles Davis they said they were playing the trumpet. You know again you're talking about extreme personalities John Belushi and again like you say you have the same personality analogy but it just manifested itself in different ways I was lucky when I was a kid I knew junkies and I had a friend Jimmy's cousin selling coke when I was in high school I washed them right away I watched him shrivel up and and I remember I I was also I was very paranoid right and I didn't I didn't want to ruin my life I was always worried about ruining my life yeah see things like that but guard stay the fuck away from drugs that's an amazing amazingly mature attitude at that point because I was a direct option should I say that's going to be part of the success for me survey ship yeah that's a smart way to think but I tell I tell when I speak I tell these kids kids because they're like how did you make it man like how did you make it in show Biz like Google me and they see me you know on the tonight show how did you do that like Rehab they were yeah they're they're watching movies on Youtube these magicians with the fucking thing and my stand up and go how did you do this like being a junkie I'm like I don't know I can't even remember that's it's part of the problem is that you're kind of rewarded for being so wild being wild you're you're it's an accentuated yes by the drug and by the craziness gambling all of it well the way I say the way Ray Romano wrote new jokes about having kids and a family you know so a lot of comics you you comment on your life yes that's how you get new material so my life was not a wife and kids my life was this craziness with drugs and gambling that's a mind that for material and it's also the audience loved it they loved the fact that you're out there living that life right cow ski or one hundred times AH anyone who's out there living that life there's like it's romantic yes yes the way you're not living the average Schlub no rain Liotta says in Goodfellas we we were rockstars yeah you know all these guys WanNa wake up go to a nine to five job we don't know that life and and I do when I saw the other side when I was at this halfway house would all these crazy mother fuckers I had to get a job as part of the program so I pumped gas and I I I worked at the back of a garbage truck for awhile throwing garbage and I pumped gas as a kid and you know you know the money we make for being onstage. I've gone from that money I I may I pump gas forty hours a week I got a check for two hundred and eighty dollars so that's what that's life that's realize that's real life yeah ooh who'd started at this kid in the halfway house I three roommates one was a carjacker Yeldham was an arsonist okay this other kid was was this kid was my bunk mate lived on the top bunk I was on the twenty two year old he had some you had a former to retz every eleven seconds my hand to God he made this sound hey every eleven seconds hey if he watched porn on his on his phone so he loved the specific kind of porn keep showing it to me jerking off on the top bunk and I gotta go pump gas the next day I'm like my life is fucking over and he he loved watching these really fat blackjacks get fucked by small white guys this is what you won't hear this with that Honky Dick the little white pussy it correct is even like jails like in the old days people just let them on fire and throwing them in a dumpster but now it's a disease right right so he's got a disease so the kid I go you're on the fucking Internet you can watch the hottest chicks on the planet jerk off these Chicago those chicks got eighty six Celtics Wchs that looks like Bill Walter this enormous like Oprah liquid chick with a little Richard Simmons looking guy and he goes hang ever ask him why he's into that sort of but no explanation made any sense okay jail I was in protective custody so if you're in protective custody at jail you you it means you murderer a snitch or some sort of celebrity celebrity so you're up there with hardcore the fuckers so does this black kid who is next to me in the cell great kid I love Them I love them but when me and him were both out of the cell together for wreck time I noticed the guards were real protective of me like they would make him shower and locked the shower while I woke him he had some sort of ghetto turrets or something like because every okay he he'd ask you a question about your life and then he would interrupt you by going up like every so I'm GonNa ask you a question just start to add okay okay okay what's your name Joe where are you from were not where he can't every eleven sexy were were up I love the guy what was that okay because I'm watching myself twenty three hours a day one of the guards told me he guy chopped up three women uh-huh oh for it up like yeah so that's the rub elbows with these guys guys Jesus he I think he chopped up three girls the most affable I liked the kid still basketball with them golden state was playing and yet 'cause you're you're in solitary confinement was able to have conversation he he was mentally ill obviously but but he kept he he kept on a phone the other thing about jail man they have tablets now have the technology so I for one hour day I was out of my cell and and you could play basketball whatever but you're these cages so they give these young kids who are in jail for a long time tablets they could call anybody on the outside so so they call their girlfriends which is always a bad thing like it starts out nice but you hear the bill I do a baby with WHO's that WHO's that in the background who the fuck is out screaming at them and they get violent and I don't call your girlfriend and when this kid would talk to anybody's life you kept saying every five I've said so when you're trapped with these guys and yourself for twenty-three Adlan Solo Protective Custody Javara so what are you doing when you're in that cell while I won't vote again that helps being creative too I wrote and I read a lot I had a great lawyer my lawyer at the end sent me a lot of reading material again this start fan so you talk about crazy they're also the Swedish people on a planet they start fans wrote me letters we're rooting for you I hope you get a better they shut me books that they do I liked and you kill time twenty three hours a day after the patent pen yeah in writing things out yeah right stand up did you write a lot of stand up and I I wrote this book I have a rough draft for a book which has all stories like I was just telling you you know I mean this book I've written three books and they're all crazy stories but this one if I do it the right way which it's hard to fuck up because it's just repeating these stories is going to be insane I'm sure but I want you to got to release an audio version of it no way yeah GonNa do Justice Sir printed form I have to interpret how you're saying these things the first book I had out too fat to fish which debuted number one of the New York Times dissolves that's another thing we drugs I was I read halfway through the book and I couldn't do it anymore I was always withdrawals so I quit I just quit in the middle of it so who who read it I hired two guys with speech impediments install Jesus on purpose one guy couldn't lead the one of the guys had trouble reading the book Oh my God how is that available right now yeah I'm going to get that audio worst halfway through halfway through I get the chapter six so and then I do think guys I quit and we put that in audiobook Oh my God I'm sweating I'm leaving you hear like leave the the booth next thing here is that I had a thing come happen with the student in the studio time took four for extra months the publisher Random House we're going over to it did if someone's going to read the book they have not read you know David Goggin says the he's a Navy seals name it a great thing with his book where he wrote a book but in the audiobook he had his business partner read it and then he would talk about it after a while okay like almost like a podcast right right that's interesting yeah because the thing about these stories like the way I'm hearing you say him this is how I want to hear it in the book I don't WanNa hear you read Your Book Right Right I'm saying like absolutely like it's almost like you'd be be better off instead of writing a book if someone just transcribed what you're saying yeah I had a lot of stories I tell to stand up to here but if somebody can just get out of the way you can get someone who can interview who's not going to get in the way these conversations like just talk run and you just go with it and the Mexico point technologies this change in that game putting out the idea of like a multimedia book yes you know yeah well this regard instead he put his book out You could read the book right and the the the audio version is the book plus so it's the book plus him explaining like these stores actually fucking crazier than I'm even writing in the book there's more to each one of them and what's interesting about that the way I've written all three my books with my buddy might've co author Anthony Bozo who is writing for M. and M.'s book right now and and he wrote slashes book right before me Tommy Lee and he was writing a book with me and Courtney love at the same time the kid almost jumped off a building you were listening to Courtney Courtney love ramble be nodding off the kid coming so require the to you to make a living oh my God he needs both of you so my God when me and Nick Dipaolo had our own radio show for a little I remember and we got this big contract and with the first time we did stand up at the Tower Theater Really Nikko's yeah my life's great my entire future depends depends on Ati line well that was the attitude that he had on the show to watch the show because he used to be on television right it was the net was one of the networks it was on the rest of you are not getting along I know you nick is such a grumpy old Italian now it's so funny by a very funny Greg Joke writer absolutely yeah but guys though weird mix one guys like this sort of grumpy Guy I likes to complain about getting high all the time gave a lot of that sounds great sounds great we maybe need a third person to like fucking mediate ah yeah like a law enforcement somebody you both respect yeah but yes so so so the way we wrote the book was he I would record I would tell the stories like I'm telling them you into a recorder right and then we transcribe him yeah and so it's almost like you know the premise was the way mark twain wrote like right like people talk that's great but the original recordings need to be preserved that's to say it again and again those things exist I see that's talented store what you need to release that that's what everybody wants to see the polished producted produced version of these things is never as good when I try to Polish myself it never works that's more than anybody I it's what what people love is like this conversation we're having right now is just talking right this is what we love you know you have the story you can't wait to tell oh wait let me tell you that you had boom it comes out and it's live it's like hanging out shooting pool it's alive alive live and when it hits their ears it's alive yeah if there's something missing when people are trying to overproduce things is say that again already but this time well that's why we did this show I did I did for a few years crashing appetite was really smart with that he just sorta let me tell talk and it worked that's a good appoint the stories are the stories are like this stuff's not even the tip of the iceberg it's just like it's chaos that I can't believe I put myself I mean God God did spare me I should be dead a million times overdue and a lot of different ways you know a lot of different ways to sow was very unique position now because you did get through all that because he did get through that and now you're nine months sobriety and you've got these great stories you're funny than ever it's a very weird position for you to be in because you could help a lot of people with the store I'd love to well again you know when you talk about the methods thing with getting clean the twelve step program which a lot of people obviously if you're not in it you know it's a legendary iconic program a and I but you don't really know what the twelve step is the premises once you get to the twelfth step you buy you helping other people it helps you know which because that's what you're talking about productive reductive way to use your time I'm going to go help this guy like someone in Nasa there's a guy dying as family needs us and don't even know the guy you go and you try hi to help them so by the end of helping him for five hours you may be saved him but you're also saving you do so the premises I'll give you this it was very poignant one of the speakers at turning point this guy in Rehab really explained it perfectly at the beginning alcoholics anonymous it's it's also a great story great American story to a stockbroker and a doctor could stop drinking and they realize just by talking to each other they could stop they helped each and so they they devised these twelve step so they will go around the hospitals is in the mid thirties and they would say to the people the hospital is there anybody in the drunk word toward a hopeless alcoholic and they go yet and it goes into have any family here and they say like his wife is here she's desperate come we talk to her so they will go to the wife the guys in a hospital bed and alcoholic withdrawals just delirium and they would say listen we found the cure for alcoholism we think we've found a cure for alcoholism can we talk to your husband and she goes you know what I that sounds like a total fantasy to me you could try we've tried everything I don't know how you're going to cure them and they said no no I understand he's going to cure us like by talking to him we're GonNa get better like he's GonNa cure us and hopefully along the way he gets wow so that's that's a simple premise but that's a stroke of genius in a way it's like you're using your time for something insanely productive and you know like regenerate guy you'd like helping people good friend you know you get you get a little bit of a rush to get a lot out of help you a lot I tell people I'm selfish elfish generous person well they think like the twelve step they say it's true altruism where true altruism is not the way these big corporations since give back but you get nothing in return right but in a way that's bullshit because it helps you something back to help people I get a rush helps me that that feeling you get if you give somebody you love get us the gift you're trying to give him his look we're trying to get you better and by the time you spend all this time working working on them you've stayed clean also does it radiates they'll do the same thing yeah they realized that somebody helped them and that it helped you to help them and they'll do it to is someone else no field as well and also spreads the culture of being generous again you're right on the money that's very insightful because that's what it is it's a domino of the culture being generous interest is very important and being friendly you gotta go through being supportive yeah does selfish people they die alone it's a fucking horrible to live absolutely there's a lot of wealthy people I've have met through this business who were just angry motherfucker the broken and they don't have anyone to call on there's no one no one loves them no one hugs when they see what he gets excited you need that particular thing during the TV era which I think is Kinda gone I think now we're in the Internet era is but the Internet era is a much more generous Arab because it actually helps everybody to have all these shows and no one's competing against each other in a sense because you know there was one host the tonight show advice I stabbed everybody to get that fucking job and that was those late night war the movie with Letterman Stores About Cars Now Joan rivers yes I mean that's how everybody that that way I think back then there was a famine mentality because there was such a few there's a few slots and there was hundreds of comics and everybody was just fucking fighting in the trenches with that was no look again see you though as a good person with character that your attitude which is great you live that lifestyle like what you're saying is important like this this is the biggest podcast going if you were hosting the tonight show and look I've been on the tonight show with Jimmy Fallon a million times I kill every time but to have me on the mainstream and I loved Jimmy but to have me on a mainstream show talking like this there's consequences to that corporate y yes they can't do it they would fight you have me on yes so you're in your situation situation where me and you guys have known each other longtime who respect each other's work at his people and I'm a guy I mean let's face it I'm trying to get back on my feet and you can you let me do this that's huge that's something early where I'm here I was supposed to I was supposed to land today at four in the afternoon it's very touching lesson by man I'm happy to the you're doing great right now in Avakian help put some wind in your sails and keep you moving straight direction I'm I'm doing a lot of people tell me like you got a lot of you got a lot of fans and Ria because I heard John Rogan John Rogan Rogan was talking about you and it's always positive that dude that help you get out of bed some days it does and I'm saying your point is well taken if you were hosting the tonight show you have all these people badly you can't have already on right now it's crazy man but you in this position you can you can do whatever you want you can do whatever you want we'll we're here right now in Lewis's studio right because I mean I mean I guess in some way we're supposed to be competitors or something like we're not no Muslim that we're we're all friends podcast community is one of the most open supportive supportive communities and right comics now every comic has a fucking podcast and because of that it's like everybody's supporting everybody everybody's helping everybody hey Dan Sodas go new. HBO HBO Special Everybody Go Watch it hey our fears got this thing everybody go check it out everybody's helpful and it also helps everybody just good guy yeah this is community different feeling that ever existed during those tonight show so not even close not even close those guys hated each other they even stern turn when stern would anybody in any other mark I saw the Howard situation for eight years and how would even says like Howard was this it's insane ball of talent and ambition and if you got in the way of that train man competitor would go after you family every everything anything I saw that firsthand and you're talking about it's it's scary but you're right this is that you're positive about this situation I think even the way Howard did it if like I don't think you could do that way no way nobody would accept it no way no way different world it's it's there's a lot there's a lot of people who check them on it yeah you know before got crazy but you know you every comic 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With the Central Intelligence Agency and is now the host of black files declassified on the science channel, please give it up from my Baker. Logan Experience. PODCAST by. Mike big. Little Joe Rogan Royal Laptop this time that laptop I got you're prepared had of paper I got a pin. Issues Might Cova test yeah, we need. We're doing them every week now. I've I've I don't even know how many times I've been tested, but it's good to know good to know. It's it's. It's odd that you can travel across the country and find that some places. It takes you ten days to get a response. Sometimes, it takes twenty minutes to get a response I I I. Don't understand. Well, the super duper ones they have at the White House thing get those in twenty minutes the ones we have here. Well the ten minute one see the antibody blood tests will show you in ten minutes whether or not you have. This is the FDA approved ones that we use here they show you whether or not. You have active antibodies meaning a recent infection you probably currently fighting off the virus or whether or not it's an old infection. So you had the virus and beat it, and then the nose wobbles say definitively if you've got it in your system now, if they come back during the course of this show and say that I've got my quarantined in the studio. The anybody aries is negative. So most likely. Okay. Okay I. Go Well, how you turn turn instinct towards. That's how you feel about all this weird it out. No, I haven't been here since covert right Yeah. We were I think the last time it was it was before then just before then it started settle in and then I traveled last was mid February. I was in New York. City and it was starting to people were starting to be aware and and they were talking about a little bit but real no changes in behavior. and then then it really hit and everybody went into hurry lockdown and I. You know the good thing is pandemic last right so we're going to get past. This is not like the Zombie Apocalypse. So I'm not one of those people that you know as hiding in my bunker even though I like my bunker but kind of bunker gun they good bunker I bet you do but you have a real one, right? Do I do want Summary. We'll periscope comes up looks around the compound it's. Over. Yeah we we use it for for a variety of reasons, but it's it's. Just not I'm not I'm worried because it's it's it's serious and of course, it's tragic deal to lose anybody and we you know we've lost over a hundred and fifty thousand people but you also gotTA, keep this in context. I. Mean. We've had pandemics before which just means crossed international boundaries so. There's there's element here. The two things can be true. You can believe the science, which, of course you should do you should pay attention to statistics and data and do the best things you can do. But you can also look at it and go Kinda fucked because. Part of this problem is the coverage of it because of political reasons and not the jump right into the political thing but. The, I can't help but think that. We wouldn't have quite as much confusion and we wouldn't have quite as much. The angst that people are feeling. If if it weren't for those sort of the visceral hatred that exists out there on some sectors for the president. And again I don't have a dog in the hunt but I have a feeling like the tone of coverage will change in November. Biden wins. And Not Science doesn't change right it's still the same. Virus but I just have a feeling that will see tone change Suddenly, it'll be a little bit more about if Biden wins there'll be more about, yeah let's. Let's look on the bright side. Let's get this coverage. You know sort it out. Let's get the country working. Let's do things. And you know. Again, you can believe both things you can believe that we're fucked because of the politics and you can also believe the science. My friend got. Tested turned up positive and the doctor asked him what his political leanings are. and. He said why and he said well I really believe in hydroxy chloroquine but a lot of people who are Democrats who don't like the president don't WanNa use it I'm like that is hilarious and he goes hydroxy chloroquine when used correctly said particularly in the early stages of the virus seems to be very effective. Now there's all these people that are coming out saying it's not and there's always people that are coming and I talked to my doctor about it and I said, well, why do you think that it's it's because the doctor that I use currently, he recommends it for people that are high risk as a prophylactic as the way trump is supposedly taking it and he's like it's actually there's a study that shows that it's very effective study from Italy. It shows it's very effective as a prophylactic and he says also when you when you get it. You get catch the virus and then you get it quickly. So if you can get hydroxy chloroquine and you quickly but you know look I'm a moron I don't know who to fuck to believe. So I I read all this shit I'm like. Well, do I believe the doctor door believe all these other doctors say it's bullshit. Do I believe that whole team of doctors? By the way Andrew Schultz has a fucking hilarious video on hydrochloric win like what is it did one of those instagram video so go check that out. But it's it's one of those things where it's like I wish the president didn't talk about it because then we would know what the fuck it is. Is it good? Is it bad? I mean, are people really not taking it just because the president? Is the one who endorsed it. Disagrees I use any doubt about that right? I mean. So. It's yeah and people don't know to your point people don't know what to believe and it's It's one thing if if you know the reporting or the dissemination of information is partisan during normal times but you're talking about a public health crisis and you would think we'd set all of that bullshit aside. I mean if we can't come together as a country during fuck and public health crisis, what the Hell's wrong but and it's both sides both sides are tossing hand grenades and each other. So it's not just one side or the other I'm send Jamie this right now because this is from Newsweek, this is where it's really confusing. This is from Newsweek and this is from a professor of epidemiology from I believe from. Yeah. From Yale. School. Of Public, health. and. He says the key to Tova. Already exists we need to start using it and he's recommending hydroxy chloroquine. Here look at this like this is a fucking brutal. This is a real doctor, a professor of Epidemiology. Like what the fuck? Yeah I mean and you see you see some folks coming out some doctors coming out and saying, well, it doesn't. It doesn't work in in patients and then it turns out you read further into the story and doesn't work on patients who are already seriously ill. Yeah Right. Right and and so but you have to. The problem is nobody makes pass the headlines for the most part. And more and more people are getting their. Bullshit information from facebook. User groups and Nobody reads down and and you know to be fair media outlets no that. So they'll bury the contradictory information you know in the twentieth paragraph or something because they know no one's going to venture down there everybody looks at the headlines because they'll see that the convinces me or supports my theory But yeah, I I look at this and we've been doing everything you can do we been. Wearing masks you know I don't see what the bullshit is about the masks where fucking mask when you're out in public wise words. Yeah better. BANDANNAS away better. You breathe out better. Yeah. Yeah. I I it just looks good. Yeah you feel good. Get your horse waiting outside. Late Gino the whole video where there's a bunch of doctors that keeps getting removed from Youtube. facebook a bunch of doctors talking about hydroxy, chloroquine, Z, packs, and zinc. Everybody's like you need to listen to this lady. Then it turns out the lady believes that the cause of impotence is spirits and she thinks is alien DNA in vaccines that what is that what she said? It's a little odd as he's completely off the reservation down you're not supposed to say that, right? I think not supposed to offer other. Well it's offensive to enhance. dammit. Okay. Hold on. Let me make a note of that when I didn't have to what's offensive I was taught native American Lady. Let's say that one. Oh, she's off the chain I. Think you could say that. But the chain is good, right? It's not crazy shit. I need a new crazy term. What's a non-offensive crazy term saw? Well, I shouldn't say. Anybody because there's no such thing anymore. ooh, fucking nuts. How about that we discussed with. A doctor, she's a legit doctor, but apparently, she is nuts. Yeah. What do you got? Jamie. What does she say? Okay Summer reported that two thousand two, thousand fifteen sermon that laid out a supposed luminosity plan hatched by a witch to destroy the world using abortion gay marriage and children's toys among among other things. Emmanuel claim that DNA from space aliens is currently being used in medicine. Okay. She also offer prayers through her website to remove generational curses transmitted through. Placenta. Yeah Yeah legit no I see where she's coming from Yomp, address? The. Video. Saying I. Think they're very respected doctors. There was a woman who was pretax she was. Spectacular. I wanted to hear him say placenta but he said. A hydroxy Corcoran I happen to think it works early stages. So that's the problem. See when he says that, and then the lady who believes in witchcraft says that. Then, like maybe it does work but the problem is a fucking lady believes in alien DNA and witchcraft generational curses transmitted through placenta wonder what's Children's toys? Chad's now I gotta worry. We you assume. I'M GOING TO GO WITH MR potato head. Fuck. Yeah. Most of my kids basically now, all we get around the house nerf guns right and so anytime you welcome do you remember the Pink Panther? We'd walk and walk around the house. That's what it's like around my house. Now, you gotta get popped in the air hole. With a close-range because you never know when they're going to sneak up on us these things and so but that's about all we got anymore that and we do have some legos. So I'm hoped she wasn't talking about leg. She's talking about Lagos then we know she's really crazy. Yeah. But I I think to your point again, you know part of this is it would be nice if If the messaging from the white. House. was was better was face it on on the number of things we wouldn't have quite the chaos that we do right now. Well, he's basically using the same strategy used to be a famous person. He says Wacky Shit. He speaks off the cuff he doesn't care. It doesn't filter and you can't. You just can't apply it seemed like you could do that and become president but you can't do that and be president like people are not willing to let you talk like that while you're the president, you have to know exactly what the fuck you're saying, what do you think happened in November? That's a good question I'm not listening. I'm not buying these polls I'll tell you that. I don't believe him because first of all who the fuck is answering polls who I've always had. The dumbest people in the world are the ones who answer polls. So out of the dumbest people in the world with nothing to do most of them are picking Biden or more of them are picking Biden but says, who says all of the media outlets than want trump to lose? How do we know how do we know if they're being accurate being look I believe there is a large group of people that are very uncomfortable with Donald. Trump. Being the President I absolutely believe that I believe there's an also large group of people that are very uncomfortable with a man who seems to be mentally compromised winning the election and doing so. You. Guys never he was just at another thing the other day forgot where he was. Did you see the video? Yeah. Until he comes out with VP pick yeah I all bets are off as far as I'm concerned on on Biden. VP's going to have a bucket of Lube and she's going to in there and stuff her hand up his ass and she's going to be working him like we can burn. There's no way that guy's GonNa do any talk. Yeah. I. Don't know if you do I. Guess Physically. Strong woman. Do you think she's the ticket win do it. Yeah. She she would make sense to because she's a powerful woman. She's got shoes a former district attorney. She's a she's a powerful person. She's got. She's got an recognition got that she got a commanding presence but you know. For. What it's worth a look he's he did something kind of Wacky I understand why he did it because you know that's the world we live in, but he's he's backed himself into corner and said, okay on on I'm going with gender demographics rather than you know identify. Qualified Person So. Okay. Fine. That's what it is. Very strange thing to do though yeah, it is but you know the Susan Rice I will put out A. I would be much more comfortable with Susan Rice and I would be with Harris frankly just given the work that she's done the things that she's done right on national security. Council, she was. UN ambassador she was Assistant Secretary of State. She was what? National Security Adviser for four years. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up picking her because he worked with her very closely for eight years and. She doesn't have the name recognition. But I don't know that in this election cycle that's as important as it. Has Been in the past isn't there some controversy with her regarding Benghazi there is but. And and and rightly. So right she went out dull story was she went out after Isn't that incredible going on eight years ago September eleven two, thousand twelve. So shortly, afterwards she went on TV she did a series of interviews right afterwards sort of the face of the administration talking about this, and she utilized a bunch of talking points that had been prepared by the Intel community right let at the time by John Brennan and some others and. In that, that's where it invaded famously blamed the video that came out in the protests in Cairo and then only. Movie that movie yeah. Yeah what See Okay. Listen you used to work the US to if you still do with be honest well used to we're going to start. That movie seemed like if there was any, there is ever some movie that was made to sort of be used as a cover up that movie did not look like a real movie. that. Well it wasn't. It wasn't really I mean it wasn't that wasn't a. Movie it wasn't. Fuck. It was made by independent filmmaker and it was perceived as very. I Islam Yeah and and but the the bottom line was for Susan Rice. If you just look at you, you've actually pinpointed the. Chink in her armor, right? I can't say that anymore you can still say chicken your arm. Quick, quick, okay. Ching. Two three four, eight armor. Okay. So. Say Pussy you gotTa Roll right through it yeah okay. So. That's the problem with her is the Benghazi issue. So but look. The bottom line is. If you don't believe that Joe Biden is likely going to be the president for four years if he gets elected right for whatever reason than the VP pick is incredibly important more so than we've had in a long time. And more. So than ever more so than ever yeah and you want this to be a serious minded individual. If you WANNA hang that if you'd rather see him pick somebody like Karen Pass or Tammy Duckworth or someone rather than I than. Someone who's had the range of experience within government that Susan Rice has had I'm not Schilling Susan, Rice I'm just saying well, you you prefer I. would prefer her because I. I, I. Respect the those those areas that she's worked in I'm more focused on our position overseas I'm more focused on the foreign policy and that SORTA thing I realized that she's taken this hit for Benghazi. Of course, she has rightly so. But. The game a compromise explain why she took the hit though. So we've kind of lost over, but there is a movie right? This movie was Erroneously. Flamed for being the caused the attack, it wasn't the real cause. Now what was the real caused the attack? Well, real cuss attack was we you know we we ignored signs of increasing activity in in Benghazi at the consulate that we had there we ignored at the time advice you know and suggestions that we beef up our security out there and we allowed for. A. We didn't allow four, but we were not prepared for the attack that took place on September eleventh in two, thousand, twelve and. Immediately, afterwards, the line from the administration was shit nobody could see this coming right because you know there was a spontaneous protest because of this anti Islamic movie, it was hateful video that's other referred to it, and they're talking points a hateful video, and then it spread from Cairo. It spread all of a sudden boom it popped up in Benghazi and we had this. Terrible they now then they tried to back it up a little bit by going low. Yes. Some some some some jihadist elements hijacked that you know legitimate protest over a hateful video and Benghazi and who could have seen that coming but I'm lying was they should have seen it coming. So yes, she should take some some flack for that but I guess my point is. We got a compromise at some point if. Again, it's not like. I'm still amazed. Okay two, thousand, sixteen we had a choice between Clinton and trump. Two thousand. Twenty we got a choice between Biden and trump with the folks happen to our country I three, hundred, thirty plus million people and this is what we got. Right. But I'm just saying you got you. So you're going to have to set aside some of your concerns and figure out who is going to be best suited. Why didn't he just have Susan? Rice run as president. 'cause like she had she would have a legitimate chance well. Again not without the name recognition right and there's still a lot of this game. It gets played a lot of theatre and politics. So my God have they ever run for President before and so that's what Harris has going for. I'm not saying she's not cable she certainly capable but but again, look. Here's the thing. I'm more comfortable with with Republican policies and related to foreign policy related to security national security concerns related to the economy to some degree with Republicans aren't fiscal conservative anymore I'm small government but I'm more aligned with that the fact that I don't like. The character of or the behavior of. Of Trump right that I disagree with the fact that he's. Gets out there he doesn't have an edit button. Doesn't mean I. Don't appreciate the things that the administration does in certain areas like our China policy or things so. I, think the Democrats make a mistake thinking okay. People don't like trump. So they're going to vote for this this thing over here right and if this thing is a hybrid between Joe. Biden Bernie. Sanders. who you know got shafted once again this. Round of Democratic primaries and if they if they tilt hard left. It doesn't mean just because you don't like trump as an individual that suddenly you're okay with hard left policies but I think the Democrats make that mistake they think they're they're they're think that that's the solution to trump goes far away from him as PAS. Yeah and then. The center I think exactly. That's the solution I think the solution somewhere in the center and when when you see shit what's happening in Portland and Seattle I, think people are more aware than ever now that civil unrest is like. It's it's very strange is very strange to watch them. Try to break into that. What what was the building in Portland they were trying to Hatfield courthouse. Federal. Courthouse that was insane yeah watch on that was insane. I don't understand the motivation. Like. How how do you connect that in Portland the most liberal city in the country? How do you? How do are arguably right? Probably the most liberal yeah. The most progressive metal. PORTLAND. Right there. How do you connect that to black lives matter I mean how do you connect that to? George. Floyd's death. How do you connect that to? Why why? Why I just don't understand why would you try to break in the courthouse? They're trying to recreate what went wrong. What didn't work in Seattle right? That whole Zone Chelsea honest. Didn't work I mean that was nonsense. It was crazy made a worse version of American six blocks. It's one of those little tiny little like if you took a glass dome and you put a little animals in there and you'll let them eat each other alive because like we're GonNa, we're gonNA create Utopian glass like they made a worse version of the United States they put up borders immediately stop people from coming in they had armed guards they wind up using police say they didn't have cops but they have people that act like cops beat the fuck out of people for filming. The whole thing man is the head murders. Click it's Portland I know Portland extremely, well, my parents. Lived in Portland for a couple of decades place it used to be a real a hell of a place, but over the years and and I know Republicans and Democrats who feel the same way who were in Portland and the surrounding area and they all feel like places is slowly you know circling down a toilet because of local and state management, right and so WHAT HAPPENED IN PORTLAND? Not really a surprise you know it's the same. The people that that that do that. Do this sort of activity right that you know have been referred to us. Or. Anarchists. Whatever The the same sort of trust a fairy in you know, bottom feeding folks in really city in the world who engage in a WTO protest because it's cool to get out there and protest I don't understand the mentality. But if you try to figure out a motivation for them, you lose your mind because they don't have when you could take ten of those people out of Portland who are engaged in sort of the the violent activity and asked him well, why are you doing this and you'll get ten different answers they really don't have. It's not like that and they've the sad part about it is they they hijacked a very legitimate protests. Yes over. Really serious. Important questions about how do we? How do we improve policing around the country? How do we get to that point and I tell you the most disappointing part about it is? After after the tragedy would with George Floyd. If the focus had been on. Okay, here's what we have to do. We have to. Seriously, not just lip service we have to improve the policing to solve this particular issue. That there certain logistical things you can do. You can improve your vetting and hiring of police candidates right of applicants for the job you can do that. That's a that's a protocol you can put in place you can improve the training that costs money. So defunding the police, it's Kinda fucked you can. You can improve the training and make it continuous. It's not just a one time thing continuous training on how to respond to situations. It's light. Weapons training if you don't keep doing it if you're not always practicing, it just doesn't work. and. Then can you can also improve disciplinary action those those concrete things that you can do. They're not easy right, but it's it's not as heavy lift as deciding in the aftermath of the George Floyd tragedy. What we're GONNA do is we're going to remove racism from the hearts and minds of people. This is not going to happen right I'd like to think of web theory. Hey, great. Get rid of racism but. You know. What should have been was a protest about doing things that actually will impact meaningfully people's lives and in in it veered off because people wanted to feel self righteous veered off into what you have to prove how dare you are you have to remove racism? Now. I know. I. Know Black People that object to? White people, I know white people that Jack to people not of their race. I know h-h-hispanics that don't have of non Hispanics I'd. Racism exists sad to say right and all mankind. It's a human element of of nature. Would you rather spin your wheels and act self-righteous and try to say, well, we're going to have exercise where we remove racism from for mankind. Would you rather say aftermath of this? Let's do the things that can actually make a difference and that's what we didn't, and then legitimate protests over over the anger and frustration about all this got further hijacked by again Antiga in our. Part of the problem Ben Shapiro and I had this conversation about the the protests in this this term where they are large mostly peaceful protests and he had a hilarious point. He said Oj Simpson had a mostly peaceful night the night he killed his wife was only three minutes of the entire day that wasn't peaceful. Is A fucking great point but but it is true in the protests that most of those people want the world to be a better place, the problem is the people that hijacked that and they're trying to light the federal buildings on fire and smash monuments the you know particularly my. Abraham Lincoln Mean Jesus Christ right. He's the Guy Free the fucking slaves like what are we doing? We're going to raise history. Yeah. I. Would've loved if Abraham Lincoln could have had a time machine and gone to twenty twenty and understood what we know now about systemic racism. However, he lived in the seventeen hundreds when you wrote with a fuck and feather. Okay. Give the guy a break. The world was. A weird place back then well, and that's that's part of it is trying to. Trying to judge people the past by current morals current understanding current thinking is is is pretty absurd. It doesn't justify past bad actions but you know what this idea that you're going to erase history or remove history or not learned from it going forward is it discredits the ability of people to have rational thought right to to understand look at a context looking at something in context and say, okay, nowadays that's unacceptable. But Okay I get you know why these things occurred it's tragic or it's regrettable whatever. But yeah, I mean look in the UK they were they were attacking the statue Churchill. Yeah. I mean holy fought crazy. Yeah, and I mean. I just say Lincoln Seventeen hundred eighteen hundred eighteen sixty five right either way the the the idea that this guy is supposed to be a perfect person back then history is supposed to be about the things that happened the people that made a difference in how we got to where we are today and Lincoln is a big part, the eighteen, sixty, five, the emancipation proclamation. That's a big part of how we are who we are today. It's look is horrible that the early settlers brought over slaves from Africa. It's horrible that slaves still exist. Today all these things are horrible. They're horrible but taking down statues of people that made a difference in May change look. If you WANNA take if you want to take down statues of confederate generals and stuff like that there's a good argument. They're so good argument that maybe we shouldn't have those or maybe we should have them somewhere like like in the same place, we have a statue of gingas Kahn maybe they shouldn't be. You know what I'm saying is there a statue of gang shorter somewhere somewhere Mongolia there's gotta be right the MINK. killed ten percent of the fucking population while he was alive but it doesn't mean there shouldn't be some recognition of this historical figure when you're talking about twenty twenty well I think in interestingly and this doesn't again you know you can. You can. Problem is nowadays right. You've got You've got sort of the righteous mob on the left and the righteous mob on the right and the problem people make is a tried to placate one side of the other thinking somehow they're always gonna they're they're going to be pure enough. You never pure enough for the self righteous mob no matter where they are on the spectrum, right? They're always finding new. Benchmark there's always add opportunity, but you know a lot of the confederate statues out there were put up in an effort to in the sounds weird. But in an effort to try to unify the country again right and in the aftermath of of the civil war and there was this element of saying, let's try to and so you think okay, I know a lot of them were put up actually during the civil rights right there are put up when they're thinking that people are getting too high Falutin. And true. That was the really cheap ones too. Yes. True. They're really shitty Lee made because they made them real quick but I mean so the point being. If you WANNA take those down well, sure. Yeah. I mean, why would you have a statue of some confederate to find take it out, take it off the streets that makes. I I get that right that and if that helps people feel. Terrific put it in a museum or whatever you going to do with it. But George Washington George Washington yeah. Exactly Abraham Lincoln is funny when they were taken down confederate statues trump once said what's next take George. Washington and and everyone was laughing they're not going to do that but yet they are going to do that now. In in two things again, as always can be true at the same time, somebody could be. Doing something you disagree with vehemently they could have also done something that helped the country forward did something that or had extreme positive. Con Argument, you know the opened up trade with China, not process of killing ten million people opened up trade with these and see a free trader I didn't know that. Free Trade Guy Free, trades raper, which are first NAFTA. Murderer. killed so many people they changed the carbon footprint of the earth. Like New York Times. Article about he literally killed ten percent of the people on. Earth. But, he was angry man look it's awful that we have history that's filled with terrible acts and deeds. But I don't think that removing statues of people who tried to make a difference you know within the context of their their time with Lincoln, eighteen, sixty, five with George Washington seventeen hundreds I mean this is you're you're talking about people that when they were doing this, they were the best example of humanity. You could find they were the best example of what we had mean when Washington was the first president of the United States I. Mean You WanNa talk about fucking radical aching crazy experiment and self-government While they get from the grasp of Europe I mean really nuts yeah and Again, I think there's an element here that. We missed we missed the boat maybe again right we've gone through the. It's not like we haven't had protests before black lives matter protests and over the same issues of police brutality and all that. But. I it all falls into that same bucket from my perspective that we. We don't do the hard things right? The hard things would have been to say. From a local state and federal position? Let's enact these different. Protocols that can improve policing. Let's do those things that we need to do. That's a heavy lift in a way. These things are, let's tear down the statue right or you know find find a way to to make us feel better about ourselves without necessarily having, and it's like this shell game I think that the politicians sometimes play that. You saw in Portland were you know? Okay let's just placate this for a while. I don't make everybody feel better and then they'll protests will die down. Well, Seattle's the best example right when the mayor came out and said, she called maybe it's the summer of love. Yeah Y- sixty seven summer of love. Totally squashed that now is that hopeless brought back to the original business owners I don't know the answer the question I I do know that they've they've been looking at how do we do? Community based policing, how do we define the police and yet still have something that resembles a response to this citizens need for security I don't know what any of all that dribble means. If. You want if you want to improve the policing you, it's an investment, right? It's not defunding but again, funding and saying that and saying, I'm for. It's a busy fucking way right to feel good and placate people, and then you don't do shit and then five years from now we have another incident because you didn't actually do the things that make policing better or you get where you got New York City begin gets even worse for the citizens because now the police don't have any faith at all in the government, they're not respected the not appreciated and you've seen this giant uptick in crime because their presence isn't. There anymore yeah it's really crazy man. It's like a movie I've never thought if you will went back to March when we shut down I never thought I would be sitting here with you at the end of July early August here and we would be talking about this. I would've never thought that this would have taken place that we would have legitimate civil unrest in this country people getting shot in the streets protests you know I know that there's a real concern. A lot of these cities that they're gonNA someone's going to try to recreate what happened Seattle recreate what happened in Portland and they're worried about it. The thing about it is it seem so organized it really does it doesn't seem that haphazard it seems organized. How does how does how do these things get started like? How do you get something as big as these Portland riots well, you know it's a it's a really good question and sometimes what you see is a what appears to be a grassroots movement, our grassroots activity having just of swelling up from from a couple of neighborhoods. Yes, there was an element of that, but you also see like if you're talking about Talking about activists, environmental groups as an example. You'll also see some commonality between some of these groups you'll see commonality was put in in communications advice in financing and in legal assistance and support from national groups right and yet it's in there it's in their agenda it's to their advantage to make it appear as if it's a grassroots movement so that all stays in the background. I'd argue that yes, some of this and again, not disappear on some rabbit hole words. George Soros. Funded fence where I was going. But I mean you know is there are there some elements that help with communication support or transportation assistance or legal advice or? Whatever it may be absolutely you know these things that they they. Very rarely is there an actual genuine organic grassroots movement that has no outside organizational support? It's the spontaneous big yeah. So but again, I you know. Look. We were tin foil hats on what? You can put them I left mine out in the car but. You've been on the inside you know working for the you know how it works. We very rarely organized things like this what I'm saying I not. Saying. Know Yeah. You guys did it. I'm saying you understand how these people operate right right now the way that someone like me doesn't, and also you know again, look at, you know we've talked about this in the past. I'm not. I'm not necessarily a conspiracy theorist but sometimes, yeah, sometimes you know the you got to follow the threads of that you can pull on and sometimes it takes you down an interesting path and you think okay, maybe there is something to this. I wouldn't say your conspiracy theorist but I would say you're open to the possibility of conspiracy like when I talked about the Martin Luther King assassination and you you took a big pause and you said that one does not make sense now I great I still feel that way. Yeah. One is filled with holes and I agree as well. I. Looked into it much more after you and I talked and it's yeah that's very strange the way that you sometimes. Can Get actually further into it without. Disappearing down some of these you know peripheral side stories in issues is is money right? Look for look for funding for issues of of where did money go? Because, that's sometimes we'll take you down a more. Legitimate Path and a Lotta Times investigations get built on very shaky ground because you start with a theory or whatever, and you're GonNa get never starting on firm ground. But. Sometimes when you follow the money it, it keeps you a little more grounded. Follow the money follow who Well that's the thing with it's like where is the money coming from like where where's the money coming from that organizes in and helps these people get out of jail and and all that jazz? Well, there's certain things that. Let's go back to Portland for a minute. One of the problems I think. The media journalism in general You know isn't anywhere near as curiouser or concerned with investigation as it used to be right it's it's easier now to just say this is where I'm mad I'm subjective. Of course, I'm subjective and so here I go. Here's my here's. The idea of objectivity in journalism is pretty much out the window with Portland. Early. On for instance they they published a mugshots and names of. I think there were maybe a dozen of the individuals who arrested for violent activity, right violent activity. Now, a curious journalist you would've thought would've said, let's do some research. Let's look at all these people and let's look at their backgrounds. You know it's already public information. They've already posted. Let's dig into this and find out who are these people are there any linkages or anything commonalities between all these individuals? Can we find something that's interesting there maybe we won't but let's do some investigation was i. you know you'd like to think that's what journalism used to be. You know it doesn't seem like it is anymore. But. That doesn't happen. I think there's a problem and here's one of the problems most journalists are left wing. Is, a giant number I don't know what the percentage of his but if you wanna go with whether it's Newsweek or CNN or the New York Times or Washington Post or many many many many of these papers and organizations lean left there's a dirty secret. The dirty secret is in TEPA acts as the thug enforcers of the left the people that do things like this whether you approve violence or disapprove of violence. What they're doing is they they act as the people doing the dirty work that many people in the left think has to be done in order to enact real change. Now have you had the same thing in the right imagine my friend Tim Dillon said this imagine if the proud boys were lighting Portland on fire but q mansion if we had a democratic president and the proud boys we're trying to break into the courthouse enlight Portland on fire people would go fucking crazy. It would be terrifying. A different political ideology, but the same exact actions. So because these actions are done with the correct political ideology, you know under the guise of you know racial justice under the guise of reforming our government So then everybody's okay with people literally burning books, you're throwing books on pile. That's a Bible. So go ahead. It's back. There Burning Bibles, what does the Bible have to do with it? The Bible gives a Lotta People Comfort whether you believe in it or not throwing stacks of bibles. Then you lighting him on fire in front of a courthouse or if they have been thrown the Koran bright good very good example very good example It would all be losing our minds but we'll see you know Nancy Pelosi commands well, people are to do what they're gonna go. Really, Nancy really. But she's She's duck that lady she's decided to call it trump's virus now. fucking with them which I appreciate. It's kind of a it's kind of adorable. Him Out when when. When Herman Cain passed away and he came out and said, well, he's very sad he passed away from the China virus. Keeps doing it because he knows he does and he knows he can hijack a new cycle right and he came out with this idea of you know the election and the possibly a delay because you know the post office, he knows what he's doing and everybody rises to the bait. Right? He knows there's no way in hell. They're going to delay the election not gonNA happen now ideally, he wouldn't have thrown that out there just to. Get a rise in just to steal the election or news cycle but. He does it why? Why do you think he said? Well I think he was. A I think because what do I know but it almost seems like he just enjoys right. Fuck. Yeah and I think he knows what? He's GonNa get which is again what he got, which is a couple of days of Oh my God hand-wringing and I told you a dictator and of course, he's going to and and then my favorite narrative of the left is what he's not going to leave if he loses it November GonNa leave. That's my absolute favorite narrative from the left. So far, keep hearing that but I've seen no evidence that that's true. Well, if you repeat something often enough, then it gets to be true. It was like when when we had the the chemical weapons issue in Iraq, remember we had one source, and then if you report that gets into reporting channels and then somebody else mentioned or refers to it, and then you got to mention. Pretty soon, people forget it only came from one source of information. John. Must please hurry up with your neuro link so we could read each other's minds and people can't buy more. So important wouldn't that be nice. It's important. He's he's ready to go man I'm telling you where we are at two or three years away from being able to reach his mind and say what that would be because I I used to. Say That at the agency, right we used to get boxed fairly regularly or polygraph very regularly, and I hated the polygraph. Polygraph was huge because I. I'm one of those I'm a kind of A. WanNa. Puritan. But I'm one of those quaker people feel guilty about everything right I feel like if I took a pencil when I was three year old, you know my God I'm Gonna I gotta confess it. Right. So I I had a hell of a time during polygraphs right and then and then I'd I'd get irritated with the examiners right one time. I had one of the examiners so you seem to know a lot of foreign people. And I lost my mind because. I literally went after and said, you know what? Job I do know what? What my my? fucking job as and I I just met. And Tech Fox. Just. Like what do you mean I seem to know a lot of foreign people and. So but I used to say all the time I said man if they could just make a colander that would come down on your head just thought I would be happier pig shit because I've been out of this thing and five minutes look I'm happy to admit my faults I'll tell I'll tell you exactly what's on my mind it's not all pretty. But I'll let you in a good person. But yeah, I've dark thoughts sometimes good. Take a look. But I'll do that. If you'll do that, I don't want any lies the lies of the problem, the distortions of the truth to imagine the implosion of media if we had mine reading and we find out exactly what's going on in the New York, times? Exactly. What's going on the Washington Post? Exactly what's going on whenever you see questionable stories? You like what the fuck is. This is this true is bullshit as his propaganda who's telling them to write this? Why are they writing like? This is what's the narrative behind this? Where did they get away with bullshit and curious public right? I would argue in Park right overwhelmed well. Yeah overwhelmed by Information A. Serious thing it's a matter I. think that's one of the things that we're dealing with. Now with all this activity, people have more free time. They don't have obligations because they can't work. Yeah. because. So many folks are fucked and they're out of work that makes people more apt to be activist more active, more apt to get out there on the streets more, and it creates actually more chaos because you're having more people involved in these things and they really don't have anything else to do with their time and when you're out there, you're screaming and your fucking hold arms and you're. Saying you know we will overcome. You really think like you are doing something I. Mean It really does I'm sure it feels good. I know i. a lot of this is about you know feeling like I, mean, you're you're making a difference even if you even if you aren't I don't know whether we talked about this before I think one of the the you're absolutely right there's they're overwhelmed with information because we have so many more outlets. So many outlets for gathering and most people are reading social media all day all very little else. That's real. What drives me crazy I mean you just do it. You can. You can spend five minutes doing right just go walking around maybe not now because everybody's hiding in their hidey-hole, but you know just just the constant with the phone. If people have five seconds of free time on their hands they don't know what to do. So they get their phones bill cable. If nothing else at least I look like everybody else staring at my phone but I think one of the interesting things is with with news dissemination is. You go back to. The fifties or sixties. Seventies. We had a shared moment right every day for the most part right everybody would sit down at whatever five o'clock or eleven o'clock across the country, and you'd watch the news on one of three basically three outlets, ABC. NBC or CBS. And for that moment. If you think about it. The vast majority of people who are paying attention news we're getting there their news delivered from the same one of three sources. There was a there was a commonality there and They would. Process it differently based on their own experiences and beliefs. But at least there was that point of commonality and. That disappeared that doesn't happen anymore and and I don't know where I'm going with that I just banging on about it, but I find it interesting. There's no objective news source anymore. That's problems. Well, there's a left source in a right news source. There's no straight up Walter cronkite person. That's given us the fax Walter has had his his own. You know maybe to move? No No, no it. Gets. As close. As. You'RE GONNA get to a good sample. You just didn't know it wasn't in your face. I would like to see someone today that tells you the real facts. You know I've said this before if it's a cash business if you had if you're the capital to set up A. An outlet that simply told you what happened that day and. Here's your news. Am I gonNA I'm not GonNa have any opinion hours I'm not GonNa have any any commentary we're not gonNA have a panel, discuss it, and tell us what it might mean. We're just going to we're GONNA, take the top events of the day and maybe two or three times a day. Here's your news right we're going to. Take the time to research and that was the other thing about having a newscast at five and a newscast at eleven. You had all day long as a as a media business to check your facts to get it right and you weren't playing beat the clock with with with every Mook with a with a smartphone right? Who thinks a blog or? Whatever so yeah. But I think that would be I. think reverse successful because I think people do want. They want the the ability to or the comfort of thinking. Yeah. Maybe this is legitimate. Maybe they want they want someone who appear that way I think the only people that are doing it like that our independence there is a few of them out there just a few of them that are just calling it like they see it. If you want political information and the my sources are cal Kalinski Jimmy door in the hill those are the ones that I go to because they'll. They'll call out people on. Both sides and they say, they show the problems of the hills are particularly good show because you have crystal who's on the left and saga who's on the right and they're honest and they're intelligent and they talk about things they disagree. But they're they're also friends and they've been on the podcast together. But they'll tell you here's the issues and this is this is why this is wrong and this is why this is corrupt and here's the influences. This is this is where you know you're being misled and. Deliver you deliver the news think about it even even on the political side even reporting on Capitol Hill, you can deliver the news you can say. During the course of today this is what happened. Yes. Right now it's not gonNA blow anybody skirt up because it's not exciting and titillating and it's not you know it doesn't fire you up to to hate the other side, but you could do it. It's just you know again it's. Talking about setting up, you know field offices and. That's an expensive business and to do it and being completely unbiased. Yeah. You're going to have a lot of people working for you like good luck keeping them all and bias especially today you're getting some kid fresh out of college east twenty two or you know you know getting her graduate degree. You'RE GONNA get kids have gone through this system that were trying to trying to rectify the university system today is filled with woke politics there indoctrinating kids a lot of these kids that are getting out. They have this idea in their head before their frontal lobe is even fully formed of what is good and what is bad and what is right what is wrong and what you're supposed to do. A lot of it is like it's it's it's really distorted and weird when my daughter who my daughter who works in Washington DC. Now. It's getting a really good look at how government works When she was in college and she's you know she's more Republican than most you know of her friends that were in college. You know cause you to your point very liberal. She used to talk about that. She said, she rarely had a debate. She really had a moment where she would speak up in class and take the opposite point because there's no upside to it. Yeah. Great Yeah. The professor hate you right and that was it and that was a big part of it. She said, look I my my goal here was to get good grades and it was clear that. Taking the opposite position from the professor, the or the the the teaching assistant wasn't going to get me where I wanted to be your yeah and you and people adapt to. That's the other thing about human beings. When you're confronted by a large majority of people that think one way you will change and amend your thinking to fit in we don't like to be on the. Outside. We don't like to be. You know there's a few very strong minded rebels out there in the world but most people are conformist. Most people just they think they're rebellious but their rebellious along with a group of other people that think almost the exact same way and those are the people that are hanging out with. I. Got on the Tube One time I was living in London. A few years back and And it was during there was there was A. Wasn't the mullet craze it was the goatee craze. Every deal was wearing to go. So I. I was I forget where I was working overseas. But while I was out there before I went back to London I fuck it, I'll go tear it seems to be the thing to do so I grew goatee. I get back to London. And literally just like the next day I was back to get on the tube and I walk into the car. I'm standing there and I look down the car in every dude net guard had to go. All. So I went home and shape. But I guess my point is you're right. You want you WanNa, you WANNA be a rebel but I'm only going to be a rebel with a bunch of other people. Typically. Unique. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah exactly. So it's it's part of being a human being you know and I think we need to recognize that we need to understand that this plays a part in your belief system. It's not necessarily that you're right or that you're wrong and be very, very wary of people who say they are right I am riots 'cause we're right. We know because we're right and they're wrong was. It's a cancer culture too is a big part of it's part of being a fool. Yeah. Yeah. There's certain things you could be right about be right about mathematics. You could be right about chemicals and you could be right about science. You'd be right about things but when it comes to political things and sociological things when it comes to matters of culture, there's opinions you know and sometimes the opinions vary and a spectrum long, and there's some people that that holds that opinion that a really fucking crazy and there's other people that are very reasonable that hold a similar opinion but they have a justification for it and they have a rationalization for it and they have thought behind it. And this is the. You know what? One of the beautiful things about doing a podcast like this is what we're talking about like phones like leaving your phone. For three hours, I don't touch that God damn thing and I get to have a one on one conversation with someone we're locked in with headsets were your voices as loud as my voice and it's in my head. We're looking at each other across the table. It's a very unusual thing and it's been a massive education from massive to be able to talk to people like you and all the interesting and intelligent people that I get to talk to. It's changed who I am as a human being. And then and then I talked to the folks that are interesting and intelligent. But I think the cancel culture thing in the idea that that people wanNA think in absolutes. Again. I go back to the same point all the time which is like. Be careful everybody just be careful because you're never going to be pure enough and then you start seeing every getting devoured and matt. Good. Example of that when he was talking about Alex Jones getting kicked off twitter. He's like whether you agree with Alex Jones or not agree without Jones this is a bad thing. Because it's not gonNA stop. He goes when you tell a guy, you're not allowed to have those opinions and those thoughts. And we're going to remove you from the discourse. You can know lark participate in communication you set a precedent that pre. Slope and then it's GonNa come for you because the standards are going to change and you're seeing that you're seeing that with with liberals, you're seeing that with people who are liberal but don't toe the line about maybe specific gender issues, trans issues or or whatever it is it was from new. York. May is my friend. She's about as liberal as you can get perfect example. Yeah. Yeah I mean she's a feminist Jewish woman. She's Super Smart Intelligent and educated but she's also independent enough to understand like there's a fucking cult going on this woke cult in people going to wake up to it. You know my friend Bridget Fetish, she found a journal that she wrote. When she was twenty four and she's she's in her forties now she's laughing hope she's in her forties. I, didn't. Feel. Thirties now. She's Y. Twenty she's thirteen years old. She's wise beyond her years but she's a very she's she's thirty nine elite. How Kugler Thirty seven. Whatever she's awesome. I love she doesn't look a day over forty one but she read something that she wrote and she was twenty four and she's like Jesus Christ I read it. She's like I must. She goes I was like Ao see back that she goes I was so crazy it was embarrassing to read and now having more life experience and encountering more hypocrisy and craziness and people. Now she has more nuanced and balanced perspective. How old is she? Forty one. Bro. Forties. Pitch in the forties. fell. Aged my friend. But there's a lot of people like that. Look when I was in my early twenty S I was probably won't I'm pretty liberal now but I was probably even more liberal back then I just think that There's there's a certain amount that I really like about Republicans are the value of hard work and disciplined family values all those things particularly as of you know, become a father and you know and become. Someone, who makes money and understands where taxes go and understands fiscal ways I'm fiscally conservative person. But I'm a social very liberal person and I I find myself like a man without an island I, I don't. Know I agree with you. I'm a I'm again I'm small government I. You know I think everybody just stay out of everybody's kitchen I don't understand the the interest in in social issues I mean. As, long as you don't hurt anybody else I don't give a fuck whatever if that makes you happy Godspeed but can I say God speed anymore I think you can still say okay. All right. We're going to see it together. God. Yeah. Gender. Nobody y'all way always has no. Your way sounds like a chain of gas stations on the. Highway. So. Yeah. The convenience store. slurpy. Slurpy so Called slurpee. They're delicious. I. Like that Blue One whenever the fuck that. Does that blew? All that I? Would the boys finish swim team the other day and all three of them scooter slugger and Muggy in the car and I said I, you know, let's stop I guess Hungary, and of course, because they're young and they're like, yeah, let's go to McDonalds. So I asked muggsy the youngest I said, what do you want and he says Nuggets and in that blue thing. So. You and I said, yeah, take ten piece now gets in that the media blue thing had no idea what it was it's raspberry flavored blue. Six slushy something but. Aren't blue not that I know of, but once you finish manipulating them in the DNA. carry I who knows modified raspberries. But so yeah. But now I'm thinking about slurpy. Delicious beverage a wish it wasn't. So fucking terrible for you and I wish it didn't give your brain. because. I'm greedy when I get a good slurpy I. And then I go. Brain free. Supposed to Rub your tongue on the roof, your mouth opt brain. Yeah and you do that also to stop sneezing. which now is like the I somebody sent me the. Who even came up with this but they said sneezing public is now the equivalent of shitting your pants in public. Data about coffee. Offing. Yeah. My dog does a reverse sneeze. I was worried that he was like choking, and then the vets is now that's like a reverse sneeze I. One warm. One of my guys at work here told me that and then I talked to the vet about it so Gallardo dog. It seemed like he was joking, but it's like a reverse sneeze. I talked to me. Hey, man you okay and he's wagging tail seems all right. Like I take them to that. What the fuck is that noise I just got a I got another dog. Get A. Golden. Deal. Because, we just decided like it because you know we always had big dogs and I thought. Well, let's get another dog with the hell and So it's part poodle part golden retriever. Yeah. Yeah, and great. Personality she's she's dumb as a brick but fig, she's going to be a big a big probably about one hundred pounds. Announced on big golden doodle massive pause. It's already already bigger than we ever. GIG. She. Dog. Well. No. We want another big dog to go with the the other one we've got now Hendrix the He's also an idiot I should've just named immediate but he's he's the greatest dog. What does he is? He's English Golden Retriever. Oh my God. I love retrievers man Marshall's I golden retriever I've ever had. Yeah, he's beautiful. You had the last time I was here. I can't get over how much I love that dog? Yeah. They look at you with everything they got. They just stare at you and they just like whatever wake up in the morning he waits for me outside the bedroom door and then I we have this little routine. I could good morning. Sir Good Morning these types go. ooh ooh. Picks toy up to have a toy in his mouth. But whatever you know goldens always, WanNa have something to show. Guy. He goes and gets his a box of toys received. So spoiled sailing a box of stuffed animals, he runs over grabs a toy and comes over who. Good. Morning and then usually we go out together. Yeah. Yeah. Ours. Ours will spend all day out in the compound trying to catch squirrels. He's fascinated with squirrels think a lot of dogs are but but he's he's never caught one but he's convinced and that's the great thing about retrievers. They're always optimistic marshals caught one and he got it got pulled down from instagram the only picture marshalls picture with him on a scroll in his mouth. was apparently offensive. It was pulled from instagram could cut I. Think it's still on my page. I shouldn't have said that they'll find me wait a minute. Wait a minute. So so get pulled down because someone said how my God how could that have a squirrel? That's yes because you know With dogs do with cats do. What was going on was we had chickens and the squirrels were stealing the chickens food okay and Marshall was Chicken, but we would not allow that. So he found it amusing that squirrels were on the menu. We had a terrier one time that would great Jack Russell Terrier, and and She in this in this cat, we had which outside cat had ahead a had a deal. The cat would catch chipmunks bring the chipmunks still living to the Jack Russell the Jack Russell would take the chip shoot to. And then drop it and leave it for the calf and the cat would bring the the remainders, the entrails eventually to the front door and leave it kind of like laid out there like an offering to to to us. That's strange. The cats do that it's a weird thing. It's it's it's weird but it's it's it's the way of the world, their relationship the cats to people is so bizarre because they're basically they've they just accept the fact that you're big enough they can't eat you. Yeah but everything's smaller than them as you. Game. That you cannot have a pet cat and a pet gerbil in the room together at the same time I just know agreements like you can have a dog. It's a good dog and you could have a pet Gerbil the dogs like that's like, no, no no that's Mr Fluffy Esther Fluffy's our friend and be like. Okay Okay dodgers to not a fucking Brat man you sure that's. Not, a rat that's Gerbil. He's a friendly dog. If it's a good dog the there's no rules like that. With cats cats, you can go fuck yourself the moment you let that go. Kill Gerbil it's one hundred percent of the time it's. going. To make that sound, you know the cats exactly. Yeah the. Starts Moving really fast just Oh, my God they're so focused on killing something of murderers. Billions and billions of birds and mammals. Every house ads do and when people find out that number scientists found that that number they were stunned. It wasn't that long ago. It was maybe a decade ago they did an account of how many cats kill animals and what the number of animals were. Donning? It is. A year in this country, you gotta wonder like boy, the ecosystem looked like if it wasn't for cats. We got it. We've got a we've got a hybrid house outdoor cat now that roams around the neighborhood and it comes back usually when he wants to hang out and and yeah, it's the same thing. Right at least he's out in the fuck and chain he's in the food right? If your cat is out there he's risking his own ass to there's our and hawks. They will take your fucking cat out especially where we are man I tell you I saw it wasn't that long ago driving down by the Boise River. So this hot come down just Bam hit the water came up with Nice Trout So wow took a trout right. Eagles. Do It rentable? Yeah. These guys know they can. It's it's it's fascinating. It's again I. I you know what I've been advised before I came out here. Not Talk Well, talk well, about boys in fact people sending me notes saying just tell Joe we're full up. Women are ugly. It's like all this bullshit just say shut up about when I did that show down there I was saying to myself I was even said to the audience I said I. Get it. You guys are GonNa keep this fucking secret. Yeah. Yeah. Boys. I say it was time last. Crave fucking place. Great. fucking place I come back I don't WANNA show. Whenever. Yeah. I did shows in Houston about a month ago and I felt real scared. Afterwards I was like, what am I what am I get other people sick just tell jokes. Tough to read the crowd when everybody's wanted mask, Lotta people weren't a lot of people hanging down like on there. As a Chinstrap. chinstrap earring. Pretending. Tending. The do something say I got my got my mask and here, and now I we dodged the bullet did a whole weekend at the Houston. Probably was an awesome time hung out with Dan Crenshaw and Willy. D from the ghetto boys had a good time. It was a lot of fun. But after it was over I was like this is not worth the risk I don't want to infect anybody that I know and love and I don't want the crowd infect people and even though the like the health department cleared it and they did temperature checks and social distance and it's not. You can catch it. It's too damn contagious. Well, that's just it, and again, you can believe the science and you know but at the same time, disagree with kind of coverage and think you know what? you know if we just again going back to the whole idea of objective news, it'd be interesting to see what the coverage will be like if you know if we had objectivity in journalism and you know they but it's not gonNA happen. So I'm just talking on my ass, it's not gonNA happen. There's a there's an opening for it and I think these independent people like I was talking about cal Kalinski and Jimmy. Door in the hill and these people that are doing it with politics I. Think they've opened up the possibility that someone could do it with just just general news. You know. Politics is a very attractive way for someone to get into the game because it's it's very quick Bady. Any talk about these issues you may make a youtube show doesn't have a large boundary that you have to cross like financially in there's not a large price you have to pay because you can enter the game. All you really need is a camera it sets up, you have a background it doesn't have to be any particular kind of an interesting background and with most software tools for video editing you do a lot of Shit but honestly God we we don't you know I don't know I'd argue we last thing we need is another. Political show. Maybe but. I don't think. The last thing we need is another political show thing. Last thing we nuclear war. Well another political show is. But. I think that. A regular news shows I would like someone to do the same God damn thing with the new show but the problem is if you funded it like if I said Hey, we're going to do the Jr. News Network, we're GONNA treat news the way I treat everything in life I don't know so I asked questions and I want to real truth is and sometimes wrong. But if I'm wrong correct myself if we just did a GRE news channel Then you'd have to a bunch of fucking people and then knows if they're gonNA, share my my philosophy and take on things probably not going to. So someone's gonNA have to organically come up with a version of, and then there's the problem they're like, what's their sources? Are you going to send journalists out in the field you know and who are these journalists and what with their qualifications and how much they understand about which subject they're covering? Well, I think that is a great. You know the Great myth. It was never you never had one hundred percent objectivity right I mean it just never happened because some of the reasons you're talking about it it's just like with with intelligence reporting it. Once, you get the raw intelligence off the street. You can have an asset, tell you something, and that moment it's just raw intelligence. It doesn't have a right or left or whatever. It hasn't been through the spin cycle and then but once that intelligence report back to headquarters, and then it starts getting its way through the analysts and then it makes its way to you know others outside of the agency if if we're talking about the agency and it starts getting to the NFC know and every by the time, he finished getting through all those different cycles yet there's a suspend to it right and you've you've lost that so. To your point you're absolutely right. You put reporters out in the field they're gonNA have a bias as to who they talk to. and. Those people are going to have a bias and then it's going back to the editors and they're going work and so you know again I realized that you know we're not talking hundred percent. OB- objectivity but. Something better than what we got something better than what we go. It'd be nice and I think the only way this can emerge has got to emerge independently. You you can't. You can't get this with funding. You can't. You can't create that sort of thing with a lot a lot of money behind it and a bunch of a bunch of different people with vested interests in biases. You're not gonNA create that. You know it's going to have to merge independently. Yeah and I, don't know how I don't know how. But but that's almost what you need. It's almost like you need individual shows that cover individual subjects like you need an unbiased environmental show that tells you, Hey, this is what we really know about current currently about fracking is what we really know and. This is how we know it and these are the people were talking to, and you have a whole fucking show just dedicated to the dangers, pros and cons of fracking, and then have the same thing for coal and the same thing for solar and the same thing for current nuclear technology, which might be the most promising thing that we have but everybody's. Terrified of it. Well, then what you get those and you see you continuing to slice and dice your source of information and your what are you doing? You're still overwhelming the people in fact more. So yeah, they're like what? That's true fuck and. I. I don't know maybe like a new show is just it's there's too much news like you can't really have a new show because if you have an hour show like good evening, this is the eleven o'clock news like. How. You GonNa. You'RE GONNA fit this whole world crazy chaos. Got The intro. Figured out that. I talk like a newsman drive safely did careful out there. Did you get a chance to look at that chaos book? Should I that? I? Told you about yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tom O'Neil, who is a friend of my good friend Greg Fitzsimmons wrote an insane book took him twenty years about Manson the CIA and LSD and what did you think about all that Well, you've touched on some. or Tom Touch. Some really interesting things at. What I liked about his book and I went through it I read it is that. He's he's he's actually I think very honest about the shortcomings of what he ended up doing right and and the research that he went through and we're he couldn't draw connections. So I Kim a lot of credit I think it's it's well worth the. and. You know it's it's a hell of a personal story that it took him this fucking long to make his way through with a variety of reasons but Yeah. The luckily, it's been a tremendous success. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Mean. It's really he sold he sold out almost immediately and the paperbacks are sold out two I mean he's I think look printing it huge draw. Also it's a fantastic in count account of all the things that happened with the Manson family and all those people that were alive back then about how this guy kept getting out of jail. Arresting him and they kept saying this is above my pay grade and they would let them out and that's the that's for me. That's the strangest part about the whole story, right? I. Mean I you know this idea that. Was Manson. Elaborate for the CIA, and you know how? How how far down that rabbit hole do you WanNa go well, O'Neill's pretty clear about that right? That's a not a particularly solid connection. It's a tenuous connection. Between. One of what used to be a a contractor, a researcher for that old Chestnut Kale Alterra John West Yeah Yeah Jolly West Yeah. What did you think about all that? Like I'm sure you know about operated midnight climax and all that stuff that's absolutely true. Yeah. I don't know I it. It basing how many people are I mean I know some people that you know that that is the Climax Operation Midnight Climax was a CIA funded program where they dose Upjohn's they created brothels and dose. Upjohn's with LSD against their knowledge Yup and without their knowledge and let them foreign kate and have a good old time with these ladies of the evening Man Watch them and film them and studied them I. Know when you say that way I'm I'm in if you want money for produce that movie but it's It is actually yeah, it's true. Look yet. It fell under the sort of umbrella of this MK Alter which is public knowledge I'm not. You know obviously, we're not talking about turn. Well, let's let's also give them the benefit of the doubt when LSD was synthesized by our Hoffman, they really needed to figure out what the fuck this was and they need to figure out like could this be used against Americans could this be used against the president or good? What is this? Is this a truth serum like what? What are the benefits? What's The pros and cons what are the dangers of this stuff? Well, that's national security angle. It's very important. They did study right and so from context again, we talked about that towards the beginning is something we don't normally do right. So you were judging people from history now onto an so we're not using context of well, what was what were the conditions we're talking about eighteen fifties the nineteen sixty or late forties I mean. So so what have you got? You got the the end of world. War Two, you got the Cold War it's the late forties. You've got Soviet Union. That is heavily invested in. A variety of experiments. Mind control brainwashing was this sort of the term of of of the culture and brainwashing was a big issue. Not a big issue, but it was. Captured. People's imagination back then. So the late forties early fifties, it was Korean. War. Yeah. We had an existential threat nukes pointed each other. Drills in schools kids hiding under desks I mean what the fuck so. With the fear that the Chinese or the Soviets were going to develop a mind control abilities. was. Pervasive and it sound. I, know you talk about it now and everybody rolls her eyes and goes Oh my God. But you're absolutely right that you have to understand the context within which then Allen Dulles, who was the at the time the director of the CIA by the way, the guy who Kennedy fired and wound up being part of the Warren Commission after Kennedy was murdered, which was very strange. Yeah. I like that like we're that could go. So Somebody we we get. We got Allen Dulles who in fifty three. Early and fifty three says. All right. We have to understand what the what the Soviets are doing. Particularly the Soviets We also had you know again I m sure some folks listening know all this but a lot of folks don't we had POW's returning American P. O. W. returning from Korea that was a big issue, right? Because some of them came back again, quote unquote brainwashed you know and and some of them didn't want to return because again, brainwashing mind control that you know perhaps the Chinese had developed these techniques. So. Initially the idea was defensive, how do we protect ourselves against this new threat within this Cold War against these enemies who appear to be devoting great deal of resources against this. Well. So initially, it started out as a defensive effort M. K. Ultra was the umbrella name for a whole bunch over one hundred. Forty projects sub projects underneath n que alter, and it was all based around chemical substances use of chemicals use of drugs behavioral. Issues with with human beings creating false memories. Deleting Memory influencing the behavior. Again of of individuals there are a variety of projects that fell under this M.. K., ultra and it was against starting out as defensive issue but then quickly became a sort of offense. How do we? How do we become the leader in all of this which is typical typical on how things develop it's like cyber. Warfare you know initially it's defensive and now you think, okay. Now we got to figure out how to make it work on our behalf and sometimes it's important like when they shut down the Iran nuclear program. Yeah. With a virus, essentially a computer virus absolutely where this went off the rails in in in in a handful of ways in many ways List testing on unwitting subjects things such as LSD and a variety of other substances. Yeah. Whoops and those subjects unwitting subjects ranged everything from the in federal prisons. To state mental hospitals Manson comes in and that's where Manson comes in and and. and a variety of other people You know who it's just it's it's a I would recommend people dig in. Don't you know don't settle on just one account and one of the things that people should also do if they wanna read about this is read the any testimony that came out of the CIA and there was some testimony there were there were documents written by the spectre general back in fifth and this this time period was about fifty three. Through. At least officially acknowledge sixty, four, nine, hundred, sixty, four, and the program was wrapped up supposedly there were still. Federal programs, military programs, others that were still looking into issues related to. The use of. Chemical Substances. For, everything again, from interrogation to behavioral adjustment and a lot of these things were funded through cutouts. So you'd set up again this early fifties, mid fifties, early sixties, setup financing vehicles you know through say. WHAT APPEAR TO BE? non-threatening grant programs you know from Research Institute. So you you you'd loop in academic institutions are researchers and M. K. Ultra had at least acknowledged anyway over eighty academic institutions and others. That were either wittingly or unwittingly working on their behalf in various research programs. So. Yeah. This this midnight climax program. Basically, they'd they'd kit out a safe houses a brothel. And they would have the hookers slipped LSD or whatever substance to the to the Johns and then. Behind a mirror, you'd have a supposed- like a researcher, right? I mean, this is workout we're sitting there. You know having a drink and watching these the hooker and the John have sex, and then they'd be analyzing the impact of the LSD on them in terms of their ability to talk and they we know hooker in on it. Yeah. The Hooker was in on it and we've seen employee of the You know you know and it was it wasn't just the agency you know like the army was involved in these things well, but they would you know cash payments and oftentimes the. Alive get out of jail free card. You know what ladies if you're if you're out there, listen to me given. Everything I'm forward I'm here for. This show there was talk you could wear a Boba Fett masks. Identity. But I mean just imagine. I, mean. So it's okay. So this was clearly you know clearly. was off the rails right and they had one of the guys that was involved in this He was with what what used to be called the Federal Bureau of narcotics. Guy Name White, George White. was involved in the San, Francisco Cat House and you know according the stories he'd sit there and you know with Martinez and and watch the couple have sex and then he and he would have liked prepped the hooker to say okay after sex. Now, this appears to be the best time to get them talking. So ask them about their job and let's see if they'll talk about their job. The idea being could influence and and like trap potential assets overseas operational reasons was some use for operational purposes but basically, it was just you know George Gettin as off watching couples having sex in. A very very strange shit but you're right in that and so again, this this went on until sixty four K ultra interestingly enough not to not to spend too much time on it but Richard Helms was the director at the time in the early seventies and he and a guy named Gottlieb Sydney Godly who is head of technical services at the agency. They agreed that the smart thing to do in seventy three before Richard Helms left and God. Left the agency was to destroy all the records. So they purged all the records of MK Alter that they they thought existed. This was investigating the Church Committee back in seventy five and then seventy, six I. think it was they found a bunch of financial records. You know that had not been perched because they'd been kept you know all audits of and again you talking about like one hundred, forty, nine sub projects of 'em. Celtic. So you can match each sub project has its own accounting and you gotTa turn in your receipts for the LSD that you bought or the Hokey you're paid off or whatever you know my receipt can I myself dollars or whatever you paid for hooker back then and so probably not. But. they found some financial records. and. So that became then the matter of another investigation up on the hill and Stansfield Turner, the time the CIA director testified at that point. And that's why I brought. My laptop is because Stansfield Turner's testimony is actually pretty interesting as far as M. K. ultra goes and he talks about we've attempted to group the activities covered by the hundred and forty nine sub projects into categories under descriptive headings. Wouldn't you in broad outline at least this presents the contents of these files. the headings of the categories of all these various projects that ran under MK, alter. This gives you a pretty good quick sense of of what they were doing at the time. Into the effects of Behavioral Drugs and alcohol. There were seventeen sub S- projects probably not involving human testing this testimony from the director of the CIA Stansfield Turner Fourteen projects definitely involving tests on human volunteers volunteers nine, thousand, nine, hundred. Sub. Projects, probably including tests on human volunteers while not known some of these projects may have included tests on unwitting subjects as well while not known not known and then six sub projects it definitely evolving tests on subjects. Research on hypnosis. Acquisition of chemicals or drugs aspects of magicians art. What magicians are. Slipping a mickey or something how do you do that sleight of hand? Studies of human behavior, sleep research behavioral changes during psychotherapy Motivational studies studies have defectors, assessment and training techniques. Polygraph research funding mechanisms for K. Ultra external research activities, research on drugs, toxins, and biological and human tissue activities who saw objectives cannot be determined from valuable documentation. Anyway it goes on but it gives you a sense of of what the hell was was happening during this period of time. But again, this doesn't justify it. Obviously, it doesn't but you're absolutely right that to have a full understanding of this. You have to look at the at the context of what the where we were at that time and where we were was smack DAB in height and and. Elevations of the Cold War. Knowing that our adversaries are existential threats were engaged in this sort of behaviour. Now, George White was not really a research or anything. He would just sitting behind a mirror watching some people get off. So clearly and and all the unwitting subjects involved I mean. But look they were slipping LSD to. Agency employees without telling them really. Yeah. Yeah and and I mean it's just. Yeah, it's. It's not that long ago but not we have to think about it in terms of the same way we thought about Abraham Lincoln. In the context of the times, this wasn't such a horrendous thing to do. They didn't know any better because it was really they didn't know what these substances would to people, and there wasn't a lot of ways to find out the Harvard LSD studies that they did that they believe in part were responsible for the unabomber. Lot other shit that was responsible for bomber including particularly his childhood. But they they did a lot of these studies because they they didn't know I mean. There's there's one way to find out I mean. How do you get? Responsible. Human subjects. How do you get people to do? Other than just test people. And unfortunately, yeah what what this ended up being was like using. Using the most marginalized people Like, sex workers or prisoners whatever right Johnson. Johnson, just just on you know but that whole. Thing. But where we're Tom O'Neil book is is you know is is really interesting in a couple of ways. Is it if you if you jump so MK altercation finished up and sixty four officially right? That's when you know the inspector general came out from the agency and said you know You can't do this. They had new inspector general and they looked and said, this is clearly not where we are supposed to be. but interestingly. Funding mechanisms that were used to again to dole out grants or to provide a cut out between government and research was being done. Did some of those continue to exist for other? Programs other research and in sixty seven the summer of Love San Francisco and Tom O'Neil writes about this and it's very interesting but you had the the Haight Ashbury, a free medical clinic. which in part was running a couple of. Projects that were supposedly getting funding from. The National Institute for Mental Health which had previously been a funding mechanism also for I'm K-, alter a few years in the past and. Roger Smith was a guy who was getting his PhD in criminology. He was working at the Haight Ashbury free medical clinic and he was also Manson's parole officer. And to your point Manson was like it was like a a a brook trout or Rainbow Trout that is in some catch and release stream. Right? He was constantly arrested during a sixty, seven, sixty, eight period remember his the killings happened in. Summer. August of sixty nine. And You kept getting released and he had been in prison right he in sixty seven he had earlier in that year he'd been released from prison. So he was on probation any violation certainly some of the things he was getting arrested for should've sent him back to prison, but he wasn't so that to me is one of the most interesting parts of the book is this. Is this revolving door that Manson was in, and eventually we all know what happened to him. But yeah, working at the Haight Ashbury Free Medical Clinic. That's where Manson would go along with some of his followers and they were you know part of a study and you know they were I'm sure you know getting their LSD from there but also. This Guy Jolly West who was involved in M. K. Ultra also ended up having an office at eight aspirin free medical clinic. So but again to Tamil. Closed down about four months after Tom's book came out. Been Open for over. Fifty years. Yeah, I know what are the odds? I didn't see that coming. But I again it's. It's I liked I liked the book because he does seem to be. Trying to let the the facts of all his research, lead the way rather than trying to prove a point that he comes up waited the beginning of his book also exposed the Prosecutor Boog Leo and all the issues that was going on with him that led to him wanting to follow the narrative that they had laid out that Manson was trying to incite a race war and. And ignore all the other indicators that there was some deeper connections and yeah, was Manson a was he a former for the bureau or or for local law enforcement or? Some other outfit I. You know that's Hard to tell hard to tell, but it's compelling in light of the fact that He. Kept getting released he seemed to get out of jail free card they also seem to have an supply of acid What's fascinating and the also seem to employ the same techniques that apparently the CIA employed when they done experiments on prisoners including the fact that he would you know forced him into weird sexual situations and pretend to take LSD himself but not really participate, and then you know influence them and he seemed to be doing things to them in terms of like trying to alter their behavior and getting them to do things that are outside the norm including murder. Yeah. Did you see? Yeah did he have a sense from his time there the clinic or dealing with What's his name? Roger Smith is parole officer who again was also what? Chronology Dr a doctoral candidate I guess and so was y you know put Manson was you know he was not rocket scientist? He was alliterate for the most part until you end up in prison and and maybe which is why it was so weird that he was able to manipulate. So many people so well. Hey but also it's like. What he was the perfect Guinea pig. I mean you talking about a guy who spent half his life in federal penitentiaries? Yeah, yeah and Also putting it in context of the time. what else did you have going on? You had sort of this again, this awareness of the impact of LSD. On the on the counterculture, right so you had federal agencies like the bureau, for example, worrying about Oh my God, what's you know what? What, what are these hippies going to do next and and you know they were worried obviously about the black panthers but it was also more than that. It was a it was the. War Movement. Yeah, Ju, just a general counterculture, the impact of drugs on it, and so it's a it's a fascinating I think it's I. Think it's a very interesting read and I think it's worth the read because again he he's spent so much time trying to make his way through it. Yeah it's a crazy story, and if you haven't heard the podcast, please listen to the Tom O'Neil how what number was that Jamie any idea but It's it's just do you think that? Those times in the shift between the fifties and the sixties are maybe even a bigger cultural shift than we're experiencing now. Because it seems like. This when the hippies came around and all the drugs and free love and all that crazy shit woodstock, it almost seemed like that is even more of a radical change in culture than we're experiencing today, we're experiencing a lot of turmoil today but so much of it you could attribute to the problems that economic despair with cove it and the lockdown, and then the George Floyd murder and The black lives matter protests, and there's so many different like tangible factors you could point to. Well, I think in the pandemic is certainly a massive part of it because you think about it in this, you know this in no way minimizes the the importance of of the protests and trying to get you know policing the way you know that everyone agrees it should be but. The if everybody was working and we didn't have the pandemic, right. We wouldn't have seen the protests pulling we wouldn't have seen. This this like we talked about early, these people have too much free time but. I I remember old enough to remember you know somewhat as a kid the. Race riots of the sixties General. Right and I remember should I remember my my older sister down basement painting protests signed with a bunch of her friends and they were going to head downtown to a protest. You know and I had a brother I two brothers that were in the Vietnam War and you know there was a lot Were definitely at odds with each other. Here's my sister protesting the war one of my brothers flying a force in the war another. Medic and and. You know so. It was a very tumultuous time. I I. I don't think that's where we are now. So I, agree with you. I think. It was more people than But it's. Incredibly. Disappointing. Now, I thought we were. Maybe. It's obviously naive to some degree but I I kind of thought we were further along than we are. Now it seems and so the you know it's it's it's. Yeah. It's very disappointing and frustrating to see where we're. We're kind of at at this moment time and. Again part of its heightened by just the. Uber, partisanship of everything but Yeah I. But. I don't think we're there I think this pandemic has given us all too much time to reflect on Shit and So everyone's so scared that were projecting onto other subjects and that this fear and anxiety, it just accentuates or exacerbates all the other problems that we have. First of all, there's the financial fear which is doesn't seem like there's a way out of it for a lot of people for low income people and people that are losing their jobs and people losing their businesses there doesn't seem to be a a light at the end of the tunnel. Now and you know we're very fortunate in that we. Right out that side of it, right with you know with the economy and all that. But yeah, I all the people I mean, look at the. Situation currently with the just the. And how quickly that took place we were riding high as far as the economy goes just a handful of months ago, and now the number of people who are worried about you know, do they have a roof over their head? You know because maybe they're gonNA get addicted or you know what the fuck now I can go back to work but I, can't because my workplace is an open anymore. But I used to hear that everyone is one paycheck away. Right that was the thing. Most Americans like forty percent of Americans are one paycheck away from being broke well, what the fuck are you doing now we're five months later. What does that mean? Well, that sixty bucks a week, right? I. Mean, I know I get it right? The government can't continue to keep kicking cash out the door, right but. There's there's a it's it's not enough, but it's also I mean what the fuck along with our politicians right I mean they're agonizing over. This we've got You know how many trains are we in debt and so Find but solve the problem now, right? The pandemics not it's not going to last forever we're GONNA figure this out and everyone's GonNa get back to to to hopefully some relative normalcy. But in this short term, the fact that the Democrats and Republicans can't you know Come together and resolve this, their their their bickering about what do we do with the next bailout bill or do we have wanner? Is it going to be a month and and you got people legitimately standing at the door wondering whether they have to leave their apartment or not or whether they'll they'll have a place to come home to or how are they going to feed their kids and you got these these fucking idiot politicians who are just playing games with us and they always happens and I you know they're paid, they're paid, and if there's no consequence to them. Than Shit doesn't happen. That's died firmly believe that with Washington DC nothing happens in Washington unless. The politicians personally feel as if there is some consequence to their situation, their position of power and. They're acting as if the you know that there won't be any consequence, and so they they're talking about Oh we're going to get this done before August break what the fuck taken August break. I mean I was stunned by that today when I was talking to somebody in in DC and there's an yeah well, they're they're they're trying to Russia's through before the. WHO TAKES A fucking breaking in? You know? Christ S. But. Well we gotta go back and see our constituents stitch wants would probably tell you to stay in DC and get something done but. I don't know I I just. At the end of the day, it doesn't do any good to sit around and pitch and Moan, but but I think You know unless we have term limits and we have campaign finance reform I. WE'RE GONNA be talking about this forever. Or Mushrooms. Or the smells dido a bunch of unwitting politicians and see what happens what what do you think of all this Pentagon Ufo we've recovered crafts not of this world. Talk. Okay I think two things I think again can always be true at the same time I don't think what the only intelligent life out there I mean classifying it as intelligent but i. also don't think were hiding some alien spacecraft somewhere So why do you think the Pentagon would come out and say something like well I think. We did with with. Your pitch for my show for success. Class of files declassified and how could one watch this show God that was a good for season wasn't it It was on discovery on science Jim yes discovery science channel. We didn't episode on on Advanced Aeronautic Threat Identification Program eight tip, which was the Pentagon's admitted. Came out and said Yes we have a program that we ran a program. It's no longer in existence called a tip which was designed to identify unidentified aviation threats basically. So it's not talking about UFO's necessarily could be hostile prototype aircraft that you know what what is that I talked to. Commander. Freyburg David. David was in here and he explained his incident off of the coast of San Diego and he said they tracked this thing. It dropped from sixty thousand feet to one foot above the sea in a second. Yeah. Is He wasn't? It wasn't just him seeing. Radar operators. and His wingman exam. Yeah. So but I think. They said it was tracking them, and then it it actually actively blocked. They're tracking and then no no visible means of propulsion. Exactly. Right form no heat signal. Yeah. I it's look and he's a very credible he's. Yeah right and and so. Mean not the only one. Yeah. I mean. But what do you think of that? Yeah. Oh, I think Yeah I think. We don't. Is what I think I think. We haven't resolved that issue. We don't know there was no final report that gave some sort of conclusive evidence that said, this is what this identify or this object was It is considered still does data be an anomaly perhaps of you know they don't they just no clarification which is interesting in all by itself, and again, kind of goes back to this look we the only intelligible. But do I think that the government is capable? All these years holding a secret like that. No, I really don't think. There's much like with m. k. ultra or anything else. They could eventually shit hits the fan stuff comes out and I don't think the I'm not one of those and I say this and I'm sure a lot of people disagree but I I just don't think the government's capable of keeping secrets for the long-term certainly not of this magnitude. but. I think there are certain things that have happened that we. Can't explain and? would be signing by flavor. Yeah. So But materials, you know materials that. that. Aren't You know from Earth look should hits the Earth from space time and that qualifies material that is not necessarily the right well. They said they recovered. Crafts not from this? World. Yeah I like to. I would want to sit down with the individual sang that and say, okay, clarify this WanNa take them to win them brothels. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Right. Oh. Absolutely. I said. That Mirror. Okay man who you really. Bring one of those hookers in from the sixties now. Do that to her or you know but one to know though what? What you know, what is actually happening and why would they come out with a statement like that? Well, I'm GonNa tell you. Train. Your and me. Is. Second season black files declassified we're going to be looking at that. Why do you think I doubt I don't know what the that's. That's the big question is why would they say that and I I don't have an answer for that. I don't know and that's why I say it to Shocker it definitely bears further investigation that goes without saying if there was a that was coming. They, would want to prepare people and I think if you wanted to prepare people the best way to prepare people's to slowly. Give them signs that some shit is about to go down and one of the best ways to say we have found things that are not of this world. Okay think about that for a little while we'll see in a few months. A few months of accepting that. See. There's no there's no event right statement but was the exact wording. Let's bring that up. Yeah. Exactly. Wording of heritage. Yeah. Crashes Harry Reid said he believed crashes vehicles from other worlds had occurred and that retrieve materials had been studied secretly for decades. Yeah. Now you know Bob Lazar, do you know the story of Baba's Baba? Czar was out here and he he said some things that were. Ridiculed but turned to be turned out to be absolutely true. One of the things that he said was that there was this element, this element one fifteen and that they had figured out a way to stabilize this element in these other planets, and that's what they used to propelled these vehicles with a different kind of propulsion that manipulated gravity and essentially created some sort of a warp where they they didn't. They weren't subject to the same laws of physics with this propulsion system that we are with we have, which is just igniting fuel and you know pushing the explosion pushes the the rocket right into into this into space, which could explain sort of the favor citing. He the way you described these vehicles in the nineteen eighties in the early nineteen nineties is exactly the way favors vehicle worked exactly the way the gamble video worked these things for whatever reason they fly one way, and then they turned sideways like like if you had a plate, the plate turns up and down. and. Then that's the way it travel and then somehow or another that's that's how it travels insanely fast that it does something to manipulate gravity around it. Sounds Super Weird but the fact that this guy talked about this in the early nineties, and then this is the exact video that the Pentagon refers to the. You actually see these objects that they can't explain that don't give off a heat signal that move in this exact same way at spectacular rates of speed, and then that's how the TIKTOK craft work to. Right well, I mean. I. Yeah it's there's a there's a leap there. Necessarily you gotTa make out to make that leap either you know what you're saying for years I was like it's all horse shit I mean I'm not getting that same could happen I'm just saying there's certain parts of the site like Okay Harry talking about it. Well, Look Harry. Reid was you know was he was very interested in this stuff. He you know he allocated some some federal funds to one of his buddies in Nevada you know create a a sort of a center you know for examining this and for developing space. Exploration Capabilities Harry Reid is certainly interested in this they. I talked to Luella Zongo ran eight tip right and. You don't really get that answer when you say, okay, Lou was a tip holding onto materials you know that. Came, from alien craft. No you know they're saying it wasn't a tip that was involved in that wasn't. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah. I get that and again I guess I guess what I'm saying is I'm open to say fine anything anything's possible. It's in this world. Things that I do know is it's you know it's I have a really hard time believing the government could keep this all buttoned up over a period of time and a genuine ridicule factor. Award would help. I mean, that's that's part of the whole thing's about all. All the stories are so ridiculous. Well, that's why. They set up a tip to begin I was so. They could have sort of a legitimate. and a place for this to go. But yeah, favor himself talks look it's not in their best interest to to get back on the carrier and say, by the way we spotted unidentified flying object. But they did and And you're right. So that's the natural tendency is, is to kind of look the other way I roll your eyes. And that's in that. Can Act as a deterrent. I, you know I. Don't know I just but I do think that it bears further investigation. There's no doubt about that and I think that the program that the Pentagon was running. For the minimal cost of that compared to the cost of another era asset or platform. I think they should've kept it going right and they should have normalized to some degree because it's in our national security interest to know have the Russians are have others developed materials, right or proportions everybody's working on new propulsion systems right everybody that has the ability and the resources. So hypersonic or that's that's just common that's going to happen and whoever wins that particular race is going to be further up the food chain than everybody else. So it's in our national interests to be exploring any legitimate or potentially legitimate citing to understand what that is that doesn't mean you're chasing UFO's or sort of spacecraft from just means. You should know what the hell that is what's out there. So I'm big proponent of that I'm just saying also you have to proceed with caution. For sure I feel like the new normal that we're experiencing right now on the pandemic human, it really illuminated to me how easily human beings adapt to things we adapt everything. We we really do. We just accept it. Well, this is the new thing we. Like phones would you accept the fact that we just always have a phone on us now when you were growing up, there's no fucking phones. Right did you have got phones on the wall right? With a cord short and if you're lucky, you had a long cord. So he could take the phone away from your parents when French Oh. Gosh. Dial we had the dial, and then we got when we got the push button phones I thought we were the living show. Push, button. Wish Button man and then you'd get. Take that phone. If you've got a call from your girlfriend, you're younger you go and get try to get as far away from your parents and You know it was I. Remember. Came up with star sixty nine. Remember that. Somebody called you and they hung up you press star sixty nine dot com right back. Okay. Mother Thug got new technology. into. Whether you want. I use that people like how did you get my number? I star sixty nine. Now everybody's got. He's got one of these including bugsy my youngest which by the way I told him I would mention this the oldest boy scooter who's just turned thirteen he he he walked by yesterday before I got on a plane and he said where you going I said I'm going to Los Angeles? Why are you going to Los? Angeles Mrs I got a couple of meetings and Sit Down with with Rogan and he's watched them your podcast and I'm sorry. Yeah. Only the good ones. Now with the appropriate ones age appropriate ones. There are no look at there. None and but he says is says great now as we're having this conversation. About you muggsy walked by and he's eight years old. He walks by any stops and listens for a second goes. Rogue. And I said this is you've got to see rogue isn't it? I said Yeah looks for Sega's. Donahue turns around walks away. That's it. That's what I'm going to tell you That's perfect. But even mugs he's. Even he's got a phone and all the he's just. Turned, nine just. Well you know. About to get mauled by a bear. That's important. Lifted off the ground by a hawk or a UFO. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the other thing is. Again the idea that they. Had visitors from another planet they just. decided they got bored with US or something I dunno, and decided now it's not worth it who are doing that I think they're waiting for us to fuck up hugely. That's what I think. The House twenty twenty. What how much more time do they need I think they're close in? assholes are really close to entering war with China or Syria Iran yeah. The China, thing. Yeah, who knows we haven't even talked I know everybody whenever the here I'm going to be doing this I'm sure they probably think I'm GonNa come on and Bash. China. That's is an interesting one right? I mean it is a very interesting one right now because China's been buying up a lot of a lot of assets when they realized that the. Pandemic was kicking in and there's a lot of companies that are China's owns a large stake in them now. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's look again they tip talks about. tiktok that's going to piss off my middle boy slug. Oh, he's A. Bentley facebook or Instagram I should say about to release reels, which is their version of TIKTOK. Remember how they like fucking cock blocked chat instagram stories. Well, they're about to cock block Tiktok with instagram reels and then they're going to lure all the kids over real. Well. That's the thing went by the time we get. I'm sure it happens with your time. You're you get hip to whatever trend they got I just I just said, hip. Whatever trend the kids? have. To. Trends down the road. Zone school died right. They don't give a shit anymore doing some new stuff but the thing about the tick tock thing that's interesting for this is the tin foil hat part put put it on again. There's always been this talk that facebook help trump win the election. Yeah, and they have been the lease reluctant the most reluctant I should say to censor trump stuff and and there's a lot of people that think that Mark Zuckerberg is in some way or facebook is in some way responsible for getting trump elected because they benefit from all the interaction they benefit from and it's one of the last places where conservatives can freely discuss things and not accept the hydroxy chloroquine thing they'd taken that down. But facebook owns instagram and instagram has reels, and if tick tock if trump comes in. Ripe. Has Not been released yet. Correct. I think it's early August, which is like any minute now. Okay. Where what are we? The third? What is today the third? Yes. So if they come along and they. They banned Tiktok, and introduce reels at the same time. Wilson Yeah Yeah now I I I agree on that but I think what's going to happen is is I think they're gonNA orchestrated deal Microsoft will take over. At, least. The US operate with US Canada Australia. New Zealand. You know take over those operation of TIKTOK. I don't know why that. Would be particularly appealing to Microsoft. Say Take the whole global community of Tiktok users right? which is whenever eight, hundred million. Got Maybe Eighty to ninety million or so in the US but I I think they wanna get a deal done by September sometime. So Microsoft his missed the ball when it comes to mobile I, mean they fucked up they? They made some critical errors that they could have had to windows phone that was as big as the iphone they were right there they had their had their phone that looks like windows ten where it had the little little. Tiles and you could like I remember I was at the Ice House and some guy had a windows phone and I was like what is that? He's like it's the windows phone. He's shown me that looks pretty fucking dope go how do you like it? He goes I like it a lot and then never doing where. We are. Like two thousand. When did they come up with the windows phone? Two thousand eight or some shit. Something like that and they just decided it wasn't worth the revenue stream. The iphone came out if I remember correct in two thousand, seven, I wanNA say two thousand, seven K I think the windows phones right after that they just fucked up. Two Thousand Ten iphone came out the window the windows. Okay. So a few years later and they just dropped the ball. They never really caught on and this is back when android was really and that happens. Because, if you if you don't get it on the market, right Yep pretty quick, it's it's you're you're always playing catch-up. But but now you're right I mean. You know it's I look at I. Look at the technology I look at the phones and. and. I'm not super excited about my kids having phones, but at the same time, then it because it's less. So during a pandemic, but it becomes a security issue in terms of want to be able to track them and know where they are and short of microchip and the kids. The phone is a pretty good way to know where they are You just have to as a parent you just got beyond lockdown all the time with them, right? Because it's just You know it's it's a window into a lot of shit that you don't want kids that age to be. Paying attention to right exactly. I mean literally the whole world basically. Yeah. You're basically they have the Internet. Everything yeah. Clicking on things that put viruses and you know all sorts of malware on their computer on the on the phones. Yeah. No, it's an and that's you know that I again I obviously that brings back around and talk a little bit but Yeah, I? It is interesting that the relationship that we're in right now people would were having a conversation the other day about Oh we in a cold were already with China and the answer is, yes I mean it's we don't have nukes pointing at each other necessarily the way we did during the Soviet days. But yeah, we're we're in a court war China now and that's not necessarily a bad thing. Right? We deal with properly right and you know developing. Better protocols developing a better understanding of of. Of their. Agenda their interest. That's good thing as long as you know as long as we do it again. Properly. Yeah. So China's scares the shit out of me. I was watching a video the other day of the week or Muslims and what they're doing rounding these people up and forcing him on trains. It's terrifying. It's like what are they doing? They have no accountability they don't they don't have to know. Now, G G literally has set himself up. We talk about Putin say himself president for life and she would literally has set himself up as president for life. Now now, if the Chinese economy, you know go sideways in a big way, all bets are off right and he may not be as stable as he's been thinking but he spent years now IMP-. Strengthening and building up a Intel apparatus within China for his own purposes and further moving away from this idea that somehow China was going to have a rule of law. I think that doesn't exist there I mean they fucked over the People Hong Kong and we hardcore could've cared less. We were all everybody was all upset next and protesting about Hong Kong and all my God we got we stand united with Hong. Kong protesters and then we got up our own ASS is because we're all right. So worried about the pandemic and you know what guy wouldn't election coming in November and you know while we're all looking that way you know she saw an opportunity and just fuck them over right and. Classic ones for US citizens yeah. Yeah. and. There's really no consequence I mean so far anyway, this you know a few talks have sanctions and and. You know some. But it doesn't mean anything essentially use the pandemic decide to impose the same sort of restrictive laws they have and the rest of China with Hong Kong. Yeah. We're Hong Kong used to be under British law and then was it ninety seven and transferred over to China and it was going to be two, thousand, forty seven was kind of that that was the the the playing field they had all hung up until two, thousand, forty, seven, what Kinda Goofy as deal that they negotiate where they gave it up and ninety seven. So stupid, well, Yeah, I mean they they. They? They didn't they really didn't have an option. So they felt that they were they were negotiating as best. They could There was a sense I think at the time that look we do this and guarantee some runway for the people of Hong Kong with some pseudo democracy democracy or you know I'm trying to just going to say fuck you get the hell out and it's ours I don't think China would have done that because look they they they need Hongkong as a legitimate financial capital right but I think what's going to happen now given what they've just recently done is they're going GonNa turn Hong Kong at best into A. Pass through for hard currency basically, and you know you're going to see a lot of people moving out. Not, just know not just experts and financial institutions. You'RE GONNA see a lot of of the more successful and educated. Hong Kong citizens who are running businesses there who have been running businesses they're saying fuck it. It's not worth it. And so you know I think the Chinese in China Chinese regime I think is probably fucked themselves over in a way but it's an indication of of she's mindset right? He doesn't. He doesn't really care and it's just like their up of of military capabilities in the South Pacific they're working in cyber activity they're continuing hoovering up intellectual property. It's not gonNA stop you know I mean now if it's better that we do make an effort, it's better that we do you know put sanctions on them for a variety of reasons including the weeks but will it change overall? Will it change their their behavior probably not? So Weird. So weird to watch it happen. It's just it's. It's something that people weren't really terrified of ten years ago. They weren't worried about China taking over the world now it seems like it's a real possibility. Yeah, and in fact, they weren't it wasn't that they worry about they were looking at. China like you know it it's a great marketplace. You know this to be now and you could argue the tech companies still do that the tech companies they don't look at China. You know as a threat to national security. They look at China as a as a as an opportunity right and they always have. So that explains in part you know sort of their behavior towards the China Chinese regime and but yeah, make no doubt about it they. got. His eyes set on being at the top of the food chain you know so. Know we can either deal with it or we can pretend it doesn't exist. You think they're going to ban more companies same where they banned while way. Well it depends on what happens in in. November. Right. I guarantee you that Chinese government would like to see Biden win. Oh. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean if if you know as would. For. Their own reasons I, think. This people people who subscribe to the trump as Putin's poppet will scoff at this idea. But look the Russians I think would prefer to see Biden win as well. Right I mean they get back to business as usual probably ease up on the sanctions You know the left the hard left anyway it's been very successful over the years at this this Russian narrative and and fine it worked for them. You know spent three years in this in this in spring pushing this this particular narrative and but I think I think overall the Chinese the Russians they would prefer to see. Someone. Like Biden come in I think they feel like it would. A. More collegial approach from the White House a less confrontational and. I think that's where we're at look I mean. You know Bill. Bill Gates Bob. Gates used to be the director of the agency right and he's worked for a couple of administrations and yeah, he said himself that Biden's never been on the right side of of a foreign policy decision. So? That's one area where again going back to what we talked about earlier is you know if he's going to choose a vice president I'd rather he choose somebody who's got as much national security and foreign policy experience as possible because I think that's one area where he's going to be lacking even though he says, I worked in foreign policy all my life. Then mean anything just just because you were there doesn't mean you've got good judgment or. Anyway. What Do, you think that the the policies that trump's put in place for China actually beneficial tonight since she gets a good step. Yeah I do I do because it put him on the back of the China I mean it's put on the back foot, right? That's not a bad thing. made them a little less sure about you know what they're doing. They've had to think about things a little bit more they have. Yeah the sanctions. I wish that we would sanction them hard for the workers. I wish sanction them very hard for what they've done. Hong Kong. I'd like to see that happen. I, think what we're seeing now though is obviously the pandemic is deflected a lot of attention and also you know the closer you get to any presidential election, the less shit gets done. It just. So I don't know that anything meaningful is going to happen over the course of the next handful of months and. Who knows what's going to happen in? November what do you think's going to happen? I agree with you when you said earlier that. You can't believe the polls, right? So I. Don't believe the polls I think people are tired of the. Who are exhausted from just sort of the general drama of having somebody like trump in office. So I think there's a potential for a lot of people who may like the policies. Or some of the policies and prefer them to a hard left agenda or left agenda. I think there's a chance for them to say I'll fuck it I. Just I'm too tired and I I don't want that and maybe they'll look at Biden and think it's a return to some normalcy will they'll be debates. Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah. I'll bet there ends up being one well. Debate that's where it all falls apart. That's where the wheels come off. Get ready get ready to get trump campaign manager. We want more debates against Biden and sooner I one September twenty-ninth. Maybe they're probably popping biden up with steroids alphabrain right now could you in a lab somewhere? They got a VAT from on it it goes right to flicking Ivy. States would already technically be done. Yeah. Would done by voting by September twenty ninth. Try to have some before that, but I think certainly supposed to have three or something. Say That one more time sixteen states could be finished by that time. Sixteen states will already have voted because they're doing it with male unbalanced. Yeah. Yeah. This is GonNa be so strange. This is going to be such a contested election. No matter what and I'm really worried about the chaos that could ensue after it's over well think about that and that's that's a I mean look I'm a big fan of going to the voting booth you know getting out driving or walking going to pulling the fucking lever so do it outside? Yeah social. Weather permitting but know find you know. I think the problem is. Until trump talked about you know the the problems with the post office and you know mail delivery and the idea that we're going to have mail in ballots as opposed to absentee ballots. Before that. You know what? Nine out of ten people that's not statistically accurate but I'm sure a lot of people would have said to fuck in postal system they can't deliver the mail. But now because trump comes out and says, it's going Oh. My God I love the postal system and I'm. Just trying to destroy the postal system and I. Think enough is like what he did with Hydroxy Clark? Right right looking I've ordered Hydroxy Clark went through the mail I it hasn't arrived. So. What am I think but I touch So. But can you imagine if we have an election where you do this and then you don't know the results for? Five or six or seven days because they're still counting ballots. and. That's yeah. Can you imagine that that reporting is going to be like all the paranoia on both sides right and the left going you know exactly what the whole thing is. How Crazy is really the really crazy. Right wing with the the really nutty conspiracy folks how are they going to handle that? Yeah. Well, that's that's it and you got you got people on both sides. Right? Crazy is not limited to one of the spectrum. So you got people on both sides and if you. The. Beauty of the elections in the past have been by the end of the night you got a winner. Now if you don't know and you can't tell me that an, it's not. I'm just saying the realities are you gotta be pragmatic you WanNa go with all. You don't mail ballots whatever pay just be aware of the fact that you can have a lot of problems. A lot of disqualified ballots because of a variety of reasons allow loss ballots a lot, and so if if what you WanNa do is so chaos right and descent and furthest divide than yeah. It's pretty good way to do it or you can figure out how a fucking get everybody the ballots, right? To the polling booths and make that happen just fucking do it right and if you WANNA have ballot Po, voting booth where people wear masks and. Azmat suits me fine right. But figure out a way to get people to the voting booth because I and it's not I don't I don't think that the male in thing is is could be wrought with fraud like the White House trump is you know could be lots of fraud I I think it's just pragmatic says, whoa could have a lot of logistical problems. So well, I don't understand why they can't vote online. Why can you bank online but you can't vote online? How's that? And the thing is if you could vote online if people didn't have to physically go to a place you how many more people would vote probably insane because what is the number now like what percentage of people now vote is forty percents. Yeah. Similar in the forty percentile at that we get that bitch up to seventy. Yeah I bet we get a pretty high if you could register on your phone and vote on your phone, my God, why can't you do that? Well, there's there's security issues related to that as we all know terms of the hijacking of the security of the of the system that would be place people click on every fucking link someone sends him a text message. Does. Clicked areas that. No I I agree with you in the sense that it would theoretically, it would. It would improve the turn out for sure and it would certainly make life easier for a lot of people I just don't I as with again, my issue with the mail isn't isn't the fraud issue so much as just the logistics of it right and that and that that that delay and also the potential to have a lot of ballots just. Being disqualified or being put in question. the same thing with online vo. Yes. I'm worried about the chaos worried about the civil unrest real a really think that that could be the big one I think which what if I think if Congress Would do its job. They would just say you know what the elections a common going to be right on time and you're GonNa go to your voting polling places and we're going to put in place special times for elderly citizens to vote if they WANNA have a super safe environment, they can only vote just like you do it Cosco. Costco in our area had like seven to nine. AM was only for people over sixty. Fine if Costco that. I'm pretty sure we could do that with with voting booths. How hard would just make it happen but but again, it's temperature checks. Instance everybody everybody wears a mask. Do it right? Give it plenty of time set up enough booths and if you want to do it over a two day period fine. But at least you're at least you're establishing protocols that are are are. I don't know how. Chaos. If, you're going to let people vote by mail in September, how about let them show up at the polls that early as well? So you really could socially distance everybody. You really could absolutely ensure that everybody save gets spread it out. Over designated period of time, we have five business days. Like Oh, scoring like a boxing match be fucking tremendous. Funding. You've got the numbers right up there. So it's like Jerry Lewis. Here and fix this God. Damn. Happy's you're gonNA elect that by Nikkei and even talk. Damnit. He's talked Taylor Marxists trump's a dictator. He's not gonNA leave the White House. Understand that we're going to have civil war that man won't leave. He's a tyrant. Yeah. I just wish there was somebody I could get behind I wish there was somebody that just made sense somebody just like that stood out and just like that's our guy or girl. That's the Person Condoleeza? Rice. And Nikki Haley I would like to see that team. Yeah I mean for the Republicans, a dams on the side they go up. But that would have been nice. It would have been a good team. Well, wanted if trump does lose or it goes to you know he makes it to twenty twenty four. That's going to be real weird. 'cause who is next in line there in town Dan Crenshaw needs to run, but he's a young fellow he's got plenty of time yeah. I who knows he's reasonable Republican though yeah. Yeah. I mean that's and that's a again. Pence way sign from Jeez yeah. He's but he's he would be the. Trump wins. He would be the yeah. Yeah. The next guy theoretically line if he wants. mean. Some guys don't want right like Al. Gore Yeah. I did not want it. Want it wanted it then. Yeah. I. Don't know I think I think if we We're not going to walk the dog back right. So it's not like I. I keep talking about Centrists and moderates in both parties it's just not gonNA fucking happen. So you know we have what we have. We're not GONNA get a third party that's going to be legitimate and so what can we do? What can what what sort of things could be done that? Could change the dynamic or or or at least get us. More likely to have centrist candidates willing to work with each other and I keep going back to the same things which term limits and campaign finance reform. But then I, think we'll that's just never going to happen because it's not in their self interest and so. Aliens, I think you're right. I think you're right. That's what we need in a few months time when they come out. It's not just aircraft that we covered. It's we need to wake up aliens big up. You know it's interesting. The beginning of the pandemic I was really hopeful. One of the reasons I was really hopeful is his people seem nicer. It was like post nine eleven. Yeah. was concerned and you know they just they just felt like there was more humanity in the air and I felt that the beginning of the pandemic people are Nicer. They're more polite. There were there were really there are feeling fear they realize, hey, you know what's really important health and family and your loved ones and people you care about that's really important. So we're. GonNa Lockdown. We're GONNA stay at home you know me and my family we didn't go anywhere man we just played games and we watch movies every night and there was you know in a lot of ways it was a bonding experience. You know we have a lot of good times together which cooked all our meals at home, right because we couldn't go out to dinner. We just stayed at home and played, and we're very fortunate that we have a yard and we have you know a dog and we went swimming and but it wasn't that bad. It was. It was just you know. The time to be thankful and I felt like I felt like that for my neighbors to like we're we were all in that together. Yeah. I agree I and that was that that you know only lasts for a short period of time. And then it's you know what it's like I always equate it to like a a power outage right in a community everybody's kind of pulling together you all sort of it's sort of like you're camping you know. For a few hours and then everybody down to Home Depot fighting over the last generator was worried about toilet paper and bullets. Paper, that was a weird weird shit. My Dunkin had was it no Tom, Green Tom Green had a really good point. He's like I. Think what happens is toilet paper takes up a large amount of space on the shelf. So in Torah people start going away people see that empty space and they start panting like Oh my God I need toilet paper because if you have like a thousand people trying to get toilet paper in the supermarket, you're not gonNA. It doesn't work. No no I was I was I was stunned I will I didn't see that common. You know we we usually tend to have a pretty good start Pantry and You know the silos full but. You have a silo now I just I just. It is it is. It fades go at your. Corn. But Yeah I couldn't believe we walked into the local albertson's. And shelves bare no toilet paper. What the Fox with people you know it just by what you need and I never thought we'd have a run on on on paper goods but and so it didn't take very long but I grew that initial period of time you know we were worried about our elderly neighbors you know can we get them anything or worried about your your friends? Can you help them out in some way? And Yeah, it was I feel the same way we were very fortunate in that. We could. We could stay comfortably at home. And hang out with the boys and then. Our three little dudes man you know after a couple of days you're thinking okay I get side. Okay here anymore. But. a lot of friends change opinion on the Second Amendment. I guys like beating around the Bush so what do you have to do to get a? Gun? Okay, I have a real good friend. And his wife was like you are never having a gun where never having a gun this house of the moment that pandemic hit you have to get a gun we need gun. She was immediately needed gun and he was laughing he's like she told me to go get a gun. We're on the phone talking go go get a gun like that is so fucking funny. Go to take letelier wherever you get your guns. person she doesn't. It's not that she's a bad person. Her idea was that guns are bad people and you have a gun in the house more like shoot each other and you don't need that in your life and you know and I think a lot of those. That have who have wives like that. They look at me like I'm a caveman like this dickhead he likes to shoot elk with a bow and Arrow and he's always shooting guns and he says he's a liberal bowing believe. Now like look. The same reason why I know how to fight self defense is fucking important like if some shit goes down, how many goddamn videos you seem to people are in a fine neither one of them knows how to school yard slap fight terrible Yeah Sarah I. Don't WanNa be that guy I work with my boys to to tell them the same thing I said look this is what we have, and so we we spent a fair amount of time. I'm not creating bullies. No I'm creating guys that can defend themselves at brothers and their friends right and if you if you see that and and you need to take a stand, then you need to know what the hell you're going to do. Otherwise, you're GONNA get smashed in the face and you're not gonna like my kids are allowed to hit me not twenty-three-year-old. She is fucking hard. Hard, she's really powerful, but my ten year old my ten year old leg kicks me at least once a day I taught her the spot ed and she fucking digs in with the Shin. My Gosh. She hurts me a ten year old girl. Well, they're they're they're leverage at. You know get well, she knows how to do it. I mean I enrolled in martial arts and she's five years old. Okay. So here she is at ten she. She knows that kick. So she's like she like put her dukes up on. Good good. Get in there and she's slammed she slams at in there is terrifying hard ten-year-old can kick you and your leg you're fucking hurts man my problems. They'll they'll. They lay in wait. mugs punched me in the junk one time dropped me to my knees I shit. You not. He just he littered I wasn't even expecting that turned around. He came around corner. He caught me right in the junk I was on my knees gasping as you do. It's It's happened a few times and it's always it never feels different and and he sat there or he didn't say he stood there and he laughed maniacally then he wandered up and at that good guide but it was a hell of a shot. It's not a good spot to get hit now is younger I was convinced that I was sterile I was like there's no way I could be having kids I've been kicked in the balls. I don't know a hundred times like, no, no no. No Bullshit by grown men I've been kicked in the balls one hundred times. So there's no way. My balls work those fucking batter things. Those poor nuggets known though have muscles like my testosterone works it was like by ball's probably work too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah I. Just assumed they were just a fucking bomb shelter but I've had the same I've had people say the same thing is like Oh, what would you recommend? You know for for home defense? You and it is. It's it's been a remarkable increase in the past three. Four months is nutty like forty percent increase or something crazy like that. Yeah. I mean, it makes to me. It makes sense I mean. They realize yeah, I mean, why wouldn't you? You know your home defense? It's it's. It's a pretty basic thing but it is. It is surprising. I. Do have friends who same way who? Would like to purchase something for you know for for that purpose but their spouses are like, no absolutely even still even still finding new spouse because if you lives depend on it and saving your family's life and you realize at that moment that you were wrong look, you can get a gun safe. Okay. It's not it's hard to keep everything safe. You just have to be diligent you have you could you be intelligent? You do the right thing. You know you keep him locked up son hard folks it's really not but it does come down to again the the the problem is always the the people that by. Have no education and then don't train. And those people that are dangerous, dangerous themselves dangers to their kids and it's hard to. I mean it's hard to be depending on what you're at. You know some places have basic firearm safety that you have to pass I mean I think I had a pass. Fell on a fucking. Multiple choice it's easy right but. It's multiple choice. Yes. Yes. No mulch it. But what they don't do is you'll have to show physical proficiency. There's places that you have to go where if you want to bow hunt okay. Yeah you have to be able to hit I think it's like a paper plate size target you have to be able to hit like x amount of arrows at I. think it's thirty yards or something like that and in order for them to pass you for but. Some places not it's not consistent and Bob with handguns and guns. Pie One is if you pass that test no-one I mean. You know like on paper what you're not supposed to do. But in terms of like showing any sort of proficiency or I mean how many people have guns and they've never even shot them, they don't know which way is safe. And that's the worst thing you can do. So if you're going to do that and don't get one I'm a big believer in that. Don't don't don't buy one unless you're going to practice. Yeah and you're GONNA re constantly work that mechanism but. I've taken a handful of concealed carry courses in the past in a couple of times just a curiosity to see what they're doing and the training is or the the courses are. Not that good all right and The they spent a fair amount of time on the legal issues, right? Because that's a big carrying a weapon is a pain in the ASS right? It's a real pain in the ASS and it's and it's fraught with potential problems and that's in and you see difficulties because people understand the ramifications they understand that it's. You know. It's it's not fun. It's just it's it's responsibility big responsibility huge. But you're right that a typical training depending on where you're at certain places it's very difficult to to go out regularly gets the range once a week, which is what you should be doing. If you really should I mean when I take a week off and go to the range I feel a little rusty my first few shots I feel a little rusted its muscle memory, but it doesn't. It deteriorates unlike some things it's it deteriorates quicker for you know for right reasons but you. Can't get I can't emphasize it enough. So all those people have rushed out in the past four months to buy weapons you better be exercising that thing. Yeah. Please find a place where you can go please and learn. Yeah and I mean even if you don't if you don't shoot and you make sure you understand. How how to tell if there's not a round in the chamber understand dry firing aim even if you're just going to dry fire like I have friends that are competitive shooters that if they don't shoot everyday they dry fire for thirty minutes every day. Yeah. Yeah. They practice. Yeah and it's also you know understanding the mechanism right understanding that the the the machine. And and so spend time right at take it apart. Put it together. Take it apart put it together just keep doing that cleaning it all those things help you become more aware and it also builds a sense of responsibility right? You understand the importance of handling it properly and and storing it properly So we sound like a gun store a public announcement. Could cuts to WanNa talk to you about remote viewing. Men who stare at goats yeah. You're going to do are you going to do an episode that for you? What's the ovation? Oh. Thank you for asking its black files declassified. I'm not sure on the disarmament science jail. Yeah we we've just we've we've had an order for a second season gradually. Thank you So we'll be doing at least eight new episodes here. Filming on that. Remote viewing that's the plan we'll tell show map. It. It falls in the category of. Once again, kind of like we've talked about with. Mk. Alter the idea being initially It was a defensive concern over what what are our enemies doing right and so the concepts behind. Remote viewing much like the concepts behind understanding behavioral conditioning or you know. False memories creating new memories. It started because we were concerned about what the enemy was up to and the NFL being the Soviets in the old days in the Chinese. So what do I think about? a cynic I guess is the best way to put it. I'm not necessarily buying the idea of of remote viewing of sort of how you want to refer to it mind control but I understand why there's or there was interest understand why they were programs designed to try to figure this out who's the granddaddy of that stuff? This is one was famous. What's his name I remember from the art bell show. Yeah. Get it before. You know what about the agency made me forget that he's a little. was going to I was about to recall and then suddenly couldn't. Get Him. Oh. That's not him. Dame's that's yeah ego. Swan. Is The guy who invented it though? Oh. He's just different Gar. Dame's is the guy that I met. You met him. Yeah. See He's still 'cause I'm GONNA. Talk Shit about him if he's not. Is Nice at least find out what kind of conditions before is it a very nice. Very. Nice Guy. Believe it that. I didn't. Believe it an environment, but he was telling me that they they actually got some actionable data from his remote viewing sessions that they used I believe they used for bin Laden he was saying. I'm like. Again, look I. Do I think that there are certain things you can do to to train your mind to perform better I think yes. Absolutely. Yeah. Sure. Right. So No No. So I yeah. I think that's look they had program the military program for quite some time called Super Soldier and it looked at variety of things right in concert with some various Intel community agencies and looked at a variety of things including Issue of remote viewing. But mostly what they were looking at, how do you enhance profess out in the field? How do you make a soldier? You know stronger smarter safer faster all these things and Ultimately where they saddled was essentially technology. I. Mean this issue of you know. They ended up on The things like the x suit and other things that can enhance a skeleton exactly going to answer your your your abilities to exist and. To Hump Shit out in the field and but also you say you mean Kari. Carey stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Remember that clear listening to this show you're. Sitting in the safe house in San Francisco sixties watching some hooker home some I'm John on LSD. Could think about how that must so weird bunch of freaks and of do whatever you want because you're the government. Got a green light. Do this well, guys like Sidney Golly who was the head of that operation and guys George White knows I'm sure they catch what they were doing. 'cause they knew. You. Know wants it veered off into those unwitting testing and all the rest of this shit they were doing. You know that they knew they were aware golly was a very complex individual. and. But he knew what he was doing but that ability to couch it in terms of you know we're fighting an existential threat. So we're doing this for national security I. Mean I think can kind of make it easier for a person to to overlook sort of the questions you ethical questions because you're doing it for. patriotic reasons. But you've got nukes pointed at you from the other side and you legitimately feel like, okay, we don't do this. Anyway I'm not sure I was going with that but. Yeah, the the idea of super soldier fascinating off how far they've gotten what exo skeleton shirt well, I mean they've got several prototypes a handful of companies out there. Russians have deployed us for for a power source Well, say that's part of the problem batteries and battery technology being what it is still problem. Yeah. and. That's it. We'll ever comes up with the the better battery always wins right and so what they've found so far anyways, and and they've got they've got some prototypes that don't rely on batteries at all right. It just use of centrally spring technology and. Taking pressure off of the key joints allowing you to lift heavier, and that's really where these things have come into play so far you're not seeing super soldiers out in you know the combat? No. Fighting, each other and. Running at high speeds and carrying loads of Shit. You're seeing it in fairly pedestrian way so far in logistics in the the guys that are load trucks right and they're doing that and hundred and twenty degree heat and and need some help. So the extra skeletons have been very successful in that regard other technology though. Information. And how information flows to the warfighter right. So the the Google glass concept and wondering what they're doing with that augmented reality augmented reality, but the ability to feed information to the soldier. In real time. And then also to take information from the in terms of their. The biofeedback blood pressure, heart rate that sort of thing to tell that's all very, very important stuff. The problem is sometimes you can, as you know, you can overload that individual right when when shit hits the fan and everything starts to shut down you don't necessarily want a lot more information coming in sometimes right because you're focusing right and you're and so all this data you know sometimes that's not particularly helpful but the ability to do it in the proper situation is very is very important. So there's a lot of research still going into that It's just that the early days of remote viewing and other ways of have of creating a a different type of warfighter and A. More. A pedestrian effort right now again, Russians are engaged in the same thing Chinese or engaged in the same thing. just like we're all engaged in the race for hypersonic. Unmanned vehicles and weapons. I'm worried about genetic manipulation because I'm worried that we're not going to do it but they're going to do it. I like the idea of a super soldier like using crisper. Some of these gene editing tools that actually could be real that you. You mean, you look at a place like China where you don't get to decide what you do for a living. They really could recruit a large number of people and sort of develop soldiers in that regard. Yeah and I think that's I think that's in the ramle impossible and I don't think it's not being done I would be sure that was. Fifty years from now. When we're like, is it ethical? Should we do this and of a bunch of senators debating meanwhile in China? They're fucking full steam ahead. Yeah. I think, and here's where it's interesting is because I again, people listening or there'll be some folks in going. You know come on fucking ethical US course the government's doing it and but we are fundamentally different. Yes. Mk alternates as we were talking about it. Yeah. That was horrendous. You know situation. Right. When ray off the rails shouldn't happen was exposed right which is. All by itself an indication of how we're different from from the Russians or from the Chinese Chinese are going to hold some in. in their. In their committee hearings. Call to the carpet, the P. L. A. until operators and say, well, what have you been to God? This is terrible or the Russians are going to do that Putin is going to call the FSBA and and throw them out there in a in a committee hearing now bullshit. So when people want to talk about how the US. Well Okay Yeah we've been off the rails at times. We do tend to try to self correct whichever administrations in charge but. More, importantly we do have. You know and I hope we maintain it. We'd have had a track record of transparency. To again to compare it to our is one hundred transparent not be now but. Compare it to are those others? Yeah. Where we do a pretty good job yeah. Yeah. So I I would agree. So this remote viewing. What did they ever get anything out of it? Is there any data that was there? Any anybody? was there ever anyone who's really good at it or better at it? was there anything now? So how does it still houses still subject? It captures the imagination. I mean. It's it's it's like how his Manson still subject. Well, he's fascinating and it was a fascinating period of time remote viewing is I think it's it's fascinating. It's it's again it's like so it's like psychics they wanted to find like don't don't play still actually use psychics for certain like like they try to find bodies and shit. Is that a I in mystery Mr PBS or something I don't know I. Guess at least bring inside sidekicks. Really. A very, very good friend of mine who is homicide detective in in the UK's police a works with me now, and in in my business diligence diligence USA for all your information security needs He never talked about psychic ever being brought in and he had a lot of cases. On TV show when I asked him Point up because I asked him to. Saudi says, yes. Sure. Do believe so but. Yeah I nothing really I mean maybe there's a file sitting in the retired records office of the agency you know we'll never going to see it but as far as I've seen, it was never a. Record of success from it, but it is I get why it's of interest and why people are fascinated by it makes sense. Yeah. I. Mean it's it's like everything else it's like I guess the government had to find out whether or not M. K. ultra like when they were doing that like let's see. There's only one way to find out. Well. If you don't believe in it at all, but it turns out to be true and there are a few people that have developed techniques like look noses Israel hypnosis is weird. You know maybe some to this shit maybe if you follow the right techniques and get yourself in the right mindset, you have access to information that's not available. Any other way and hypnosis again was part of the kilter sub projects right and it's Because there was concerned that you know the enemy had this research or that they were making headway and so again, a lot of things develop initially it's because it's a defensive response because we learned something about what some hostile entity is doing, and then you have to move immediately to okay. Well, do we need this for offense at purposes because if they're doing it, do we need to have that capability, right? So With certainly, you go into the realm of cyberwarfare. Yeah. You better have that capability both sides but that's where things like that neuro link technologies very interesting because if it really if somehow or another, you really can communicate with someone who's not there without using any words which is what Nealon said to me. He goes you're GONNA be able to talk without using words well, if you can do that at a distance like if you can literally. Guide someone like if say, if you've got someone who's on a mission in Afghanistan and you you are watching on satellite and you can guide them without giving them any noise without saying anything to them, and you can give them all the data whether it's through augmented augmented reality glasses or something like that. Save a lot of lives you get a lot of jobs done. Oh No, and they're doing that I mean they're you know Aberdeen. And and other areas me. They're they're working on some pretty amazing technology right and so that ability to feed a lot of data like if you're about to go through a door, right, you're up on some target on, you need to know what the Hell is going on and you got that ability to to. Make that happen. That's that's tremendous right? It makes for a safer smarter better soldier out there and so and that's an important thing. I'd actually saves lives. So. Yeah but so that is happening. It's the. It's the idea of. Communicating without you know it's the Wu Shit. Yeah. That's that's the part that that may be further down the road than Elon Musk. Thanks. Did. You have an open mind when you went into this remote viewing the discussion sort of I am a little crack in the door. Yeah. Yeah I did yeah I mean I think you have to look nothing's one hundred percent right? It's like you were saying earlier right Absolutely right and I don't ever assume absolutely right on something unless it's to to right I mean okay. That's that's pretty proven but but So I think you have to go into anything any anytime. You're going to do an investigation. You have to leave the door open low bit for the unknowns but you do have to build. What you're doing on something sound. So you can't. You don't want to base your your decision making on just a theory or or an allegation or belief right? You got it. So every investigation needs to be built on something solid otherwise, it's just falling apart and so that's kind of where we you know. That I mentioned black declassified. That's. That says second season. Did I say oh well. In the pandemic world we probably won't be able to film until later this year. Yeah He's wear masks. Wear masks yeah. Just, Stanton every episode of were different mask like a full overhead mask. Yeah it'll be fun Yeah. We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. I mean shit that's this entire town in Los Angeles has been dealing with that bullshit all these people out of work in production companies and all the independent contractors who don't have jobs because nothing's filming and nobody knows how to film and they don't WanNa you know they don't WanNa take on the insurance. So it's hit that industry hard. I know everybody's like Oh my God, it's hit the entertainment industry hard but I think what they're doing is quarantining people testing them in quarantine eum force them to stay on set You know quarantine him in a hotel they rented out things along those lines and I know Tyler Perry has been real successful at doing that but he's smart. Got, his own. He's got his own studios. He's got his own setup and he just has everybody lockdown at the place where the filming. Yeah. But I mean all those all those people that did that don't have that option and they're just like. A lot of folks that are working as camera operators or sound men are just you know anything in the business and they're just yet. So for the longest time the UFC was the only sports entity that was a functioning and we've been doing shows the you have see for several months now. Yeah. Yeah, which is good any. It lends itself to certain active like the NBA now they can operate in this bubble. But. Baseball I you know I don't think football is going to happen but I mean it's it's interesting. everybody was so hopeful. Yeah. We'll get it sorted out by then. Yeah I really although my boys logo is he he couldn't be happier eats basketball freak and and the fact that their plan to doing it. Gets, nice you know audience know audience lease people at home something to watch you know I'm very thankful. C. Puts on all these fights you know give me some interesting shit to watch what are you gonNa Miss Your moving out of here what are you GonNa Miss? Bank on a mess shed. You haven't practiced that before. I'm? An. Impromptu Kinda guy a hundred comedy store and I'm GonNa Miss my friends a lot of restaurants and a lot a lot of people I know out here that are good people. I just feel like this place is overwhelming and overcrowded and I've had enough and I like change it's exciting. You know. My next move will probably be Montana after that I'm going to go Texas and then Montana don't come to Idaho woodfold. Yeah There anybody I look forward to seeing you in Texas, man come visit out there. Yeah. Yes gets into some real barbecue. Awesome. Awesome. So great town and and all of Texas's is. Good cats I'm excited to go there. All right Mike Baker. This is very much sir. You'll probably be another state he'll be in Texas. Working Cowboy boots you kidding me I got like half a dozen. Para Cowboy. Kin James go by some. He's excited about them. Thanks. Thank you brother by everybody sees. Thank you friends tune into the show and thank you to policy genius. 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Episode 126 - Joe Rogan

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Episode 126 - Joe Rogan

"Today's episode of the PODCAST is brought to you by on it longtime sponsor. If you're looking to optimize your health and wellness go to on it dot com slash hot and spent some time looking around. You'll know right place because there is the podcast artwork right front and center says cleared hot special up ten percent off when you checkout and you can cruise right above that on the top menu bar supplements nutrition fitness apparel sale more and content contents out of the house. They have written word. Spoken word video supplements. Obviously that have supplementation type stuff nutrition. They're gonNA have your mcat oil snack power food protein fitness. You'RE GONNA HAVE EQUIPMENT APPAREL YOU'RE GONNA have well apparel sail in more self explanatory on the made landing page the very top. You'RE GONNA find. I would say their flagship product the Alphabrain which is a new tropic. Abc's Port Memory Focus and processing speed huge fan of that product. 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On the face of the planet firefight fan. You probably heard his voice breaking down the minutia of what's going on in the UFC because he is a UFC commentator. He's got multiple next specials because he is also a stand up comedian he has been in TV. Fear factor at who hasn't watched that show and been slightly nauseous from time to time. He's an awesome man. I'm credibly fortunate to call him my friend and I can't believe he let me come to his studio and borrow it for a few hours quite surreal. Let's get into it episode number one twenty six with the man himself. Joe Rogan enjoy smoke north west west of the smoke. I'm looking at danger. Close now including like Borrowing the Millennium Falcon. That's such a funny way to look at it. No it's what I was thinking all the way up here. It's like okay. Every time star wars movie. Somebody's settles into the Millennium Falcon. They're just like fuck. Yeah but you get your back. Yeah I'm actually my next move my goal for twenty twenty s to build a stadium. We're going to do it in Montana. I've gone to Montana I actually. He'll have a probably the only on Mondays. I like we were talking about before baffled by your ability to create the volume So I do Mondays but about two. Two out of four guests per month are willing to come up to Montana really. Yeah we were talking about this right. That's great it doesn't suck up there. No Ya'll yeah so why not come for a day and visit and go check. Do you fly them and I do. Yeah Yeah I was thinking that too that if I ever did decide to move to a place like Montana. I wonder how much of my people would be willing to do it. And especially if I found a nice hotel and set everything up for him car service flights all taken care of car service. I can answer that for you. From a percentage perspective it's one hundred percent of the people would still know about a lot of comics. Comics wouldn't do it. There's just massive though. Yeah but they're busy. They don't have the whole day see if they live in. La The beautiful thing about it. They can come in leave their apartment come here in an hour we hang out for a few hours but who knows what the fuck is going to happen once. All this shit is over. That's the path that was you say living in L. A. So this is my second time back. I. I'm when I was here like a month. Ago Is the day that they lost announced the stay in place and we're like walking on the Santa Monica Beach as many people as was the guy standing in ankle. Deep serve trying to control the ocean. Doing Tai Chi was amazing. And I'm not sure. If he was successful he was working at for over an hour. But you drill up to Malibu yesterday and I was talking with Brian about this yesterday. To things have kind of struck me since back in caliber. Forty eight hours. One is fences separating people from open space along the beaches. Let go home get. Outta here like there's this beautiful southern California beaches in weather. What's probably why most people are here? And you can't go there. So they restrict from that and the second one that has fences keep people from the beach because those are illegal they are fences up along sections of the beach. Scientists say this is closed because of the Penn. Dan Because of the PIMM okay. It's just so it was so crazy to see the beautiful pristine completely vacant. Open space. That's a big issue right now. I don't know if you're aware of this but today this has been. The government came out with a statewide. Mandate that all beaches and parks. That'd be closed and everyone blew a fucking gasket. San Diego said you can suck my Dick Mendocino Humboldt County said you can suck my Dick. They said this is unconstitutional. And then the government back down. So it's interesting. The governor has backed down off of his His decision to try to control the entire state. And tell them that they can't open their beaches up. Which is a good thing. Because he's he's pushing so hard to keep these fucking businesses closed down for long point he wants it somehow or another to go deep into 2021 before restaurants are fully open and comedy clubs are fully open. How can those businesses survive? They're not going to and he doesn't his job doesn't depend on them surviving the completely detached so to him. It's just a decision making on paper. Yeah and if he can make it seem like he saved lives. The problem is it's not. It's not good this fucking diseases not good. But it's not what they thought it was going to be the numbers of people that have actually died in this state alone. I think they're only at eighteen hundred. I mean they're destroying the economy and if they do bring things back up. How many people are going to commit suicide? How many people are going to become drug addicts? How many people's lives have fallen apart? And they're going to be severely depressed and it's going to change the course of their life and who knows what impact what ripple effect that's going to have on the rest of the economy. All this stuff needs to be taken into consideration. I don't know if it has been especially when you're looking at a number that's as low as eighteen hundred like I'm not saying state of millions and I'm not saying that if your parents died or your mother died of your friend died. It's not a tragedy. It is a tragedy but so is cigarettes so his heart attacks or car accidents. I just think that when you're when you're looking at an entire gigantic state. There has to be a rational response to a problem. And I don't know if this is rational I think this I think they should probably start opening things up and then giving people the option whether or not. They want to do it if they need to. Make a correction the future fine. I'm just hoping also that this new drug. They found his antiviral drug. What does it call rhames rural digital? I know you're talking about even going to attempt to say hoping that that fixes people like. Let's let's fuck and party again. Montana moved to phase one of reopening own Friday of last week. Nice so what are they allowed? They're doing retail with social distancing restaurants. I believe with outdoor seating for limited capacity which. That's an interesting conversation too. Because like is it worth for businesses. Stay Open at a maximum of twenty five to fifty percent capacity right probably still losing money that they're hoping to keep people hang on until they could fully open again right so it's just a what in that in the bridge gap you know the the what is it. Patek paycheck protection program in the small business so I have a LLC individual one. And I was like Oh shit I could get some some money. I spent about a third of my year doing public speaking. Guess how that's going for the rest of twenty twenty not so good and it's not it's it'll come back but the companies are like we can't we can't do it. And we physically cannot get together meat so I was like all right cool. Small Business Association offers like ten grand went on to do. The website took twenty minutes to finish on the website which is nothing and didn't even get a response email. I it's just like you know I'm watching. And I'm so far from being an economic expert or understanding government at a deep level. But you know you're watching like they're funding these programs and I can't even get a response email. You have to assume that a lot of people are in that same boat in somebody's holding that money the time value of that money somewhere. He's probably doing somebody pretty good. Probably right if there's a bunch of it sitting there collecting interests the longer they can hold onto it more valuable. Elliot how will how much has been approved? Trillions of dollars isn't it? Is it really what you say? It's a couple of hundred billion. I think the interest on a couple of hundred billion probably doesn't suck others pretty pricey. Yeah but it's frustrating. Because I know other people who are in the same boat and they are relying on the program to try to claw their way. I see restaurants doing only take way. I can't even imagine trying to survive in that. But it's have you have your thoughts changed it all in the last month since we saw each other. And what way I remember when When we sat down for for your show you're like so what do you think and at that point? I didn't know and it didn't seem like many people did like the models have statistically changed quite a bit like you were talking about the mortality rate. I guess I mean just in general you still. Are you going out more? Yeah well I don't because the rules are. You're supposed to stay home so I'm just staying home because it's not that bad. My kids are watching. their computers for school. They do a thing with a zoo online So we're all home so it's not terrible you know. I'm not doing stand up. Which kind of sucks. But it's not the worst thing in the world so I mean I just think like wait it out. Let's see how it goes but my my thoughts of whether or not I'm worried about the disease. Change every two hours one hour one hour. I'm like this is not then. Look at this fucking guy he. He's one hundred years old he survived. It teases crisis story Megyn Normandy is a smoker. His whole life survived survived the Spanish flu and then he survived. This and then I'll hear about a thirty year old guy who's like a spin instructor dead. I'm like what what the fuck it's like. What is this? Is this terrible disease. That killed healthy people or is it this one disease that has fifty percent of the people that get it or more or a symptomatic and they don't even know they have it. Well it's both well. How's that possible? How is it a disease? Where one hundred and two year old man who fought in World War? Two gets it and beats it and then a thirty year. Old Fitness instructors debt. I don't know how it is but it is. I think hardest. Fuck the teachers on a bike. That doesn't move and sucks on a vape pen all day. I was gonna say something else but probably both of those. I don't know man I don't know what does it look like coming out of this. Like what what are you? What would you put your chips on? Normal? We'll be at the end of this crime infested. Yeah my worries crime that my my my worry is people that have no job. No alternative in. They're more desperate than they've ever been before if we don't take care of. That problem is in terms of unemployment. In terms of some sort of stimulus check in terms of like they there could be a significant ramp-up of crime. Yeah people forced into that position. Just make ends meet. Yeah n people at look at the haves and the have nots and see this clear delineation and just make this decision to fuck that. Guy. Let's let's take a shit. It's been interesting. Montana. It's I mean. Obviously it's a different state than Kelly but born raising California live the vast majority of my life here and I can palpably feel people edging closer to you can go fuck yourself and your rules. That you're trying to impose slowly. More people are starting to come out there doing The called the callous bill. Crews where it's like fuck it we're GONNA do Just get in your car. We're going to drive down. The main drag and people will sit with lawn chairs and drink beer and Hooton Holler shit. You not done it twice. Now how many people live in your town. Ooh So fluctuates summer months. And I'll get. I'M GONNA get a shitty emails and message. I'm not supposed to talk about Montana or post pictures from Montana. Because they don't want people moving their correct. Apparently it is directly my fault that the politics in Montana are changing in certain areas. The property values are high. You are affecting the whole property value and the politics to some people. The Internet's an amazing thing. Right it's equal for all of us but it shouldn't be andy stumped Reid's comments sometimes you do not at all right we'll just cut and paste very rarely do I see one like sticking out as I'm scrolling through pictures or pages but I do not go into them and go look around. I have on occasion like the last time I did was like a couple of weeks ago. I went and I was like what is wrong with me and then I bailed out the most part I post and bail gotten really good at it. I've gotten good at like jok gets up at four thirty in the morning. That's how I do it because he does it every day. I do it every day. Post and bail coast inbound. Then it gets to be. That's what I do. I'm interested in other people's pages. Look at your comments. Now I'm more interested in the person making the comment like in my theory on social media. If you really WANNA fuck and torque somebody like they'll come out and just be like a flippant comment and I'll just sit him. Thank you so much for taking the time to change my mind. Your well-thought-out articulate position really is what got me over the day and they fucking lose their mind orbit so you just be incredibly kind but I enjoy time. I'm not saying that I do either. I'm not that anybody has nobody does but I'm saying sometimes I'll do that. I'm not saying the things that I do or correct or anybody should do anything that I do. But then I'd love to check their profile and see how their life is the most the people talk the most shit are blocked. They ever yeah with four. They're falling like twenty eight and I don't even I want to see the twenty eighth that they're following. There's very certain things that I'm interested in like walk like why are you following me? If I piss you off the same button that you hit to follow also does the reverse action go can live your life. You're asking for logic for morons flathead valley. I think the whole whitefish which most people have heard of Really Nice there's like the number three ski resort in the. Us was rated there this year. Callous bill is where I live which is just south of that. And then there are some towns on the northern end of the lake and then the southern it. But I think it's about one hundred thousand people now and that's spread out over hundreds of square miles. That's a good amount of people. Yep that's like you have some restaurants some shops retail places but it's we at Lowe's Home Depot Costco to starbucks. Wow I mean I wanted to get a low. I don't WanNa get too highfalutin about cal spell. It sounds good spot. Is there a university there? There's a community college. They're the closest university is in Missoula. And then there's a Zulu I can I've passed through. It actually lived there for four years when I was young but it was an age that I remember that it snowed and I got in trouble when you're throwing snowballs at a car. That's my memory of Missoula passing through there though the whole states beautiful but I also live in the western side. The eastern side is much flatter. Because you actually did a hunting show with Gordon. Where were you guessed? Well I've done to hunting shows from Montana the first one I did with Callan we ever on meat eater and we were in the Missouri breaks. Okay this is. The first time I ever wanted was in Montana and then the second time when I went with the Bourdain we're pheasant hunting and if I remember right I think we flew in billings and then we were outside a billings. Was it very flat? Yes yes so you definitely so. I live on the western side where it's much more like where we hunted in. Utah. Have you done in that bird? Hunting Shotgun bird hunting. Shoot at a Turkey with a shotgun. I don't really have any interest in. Yeah calendar is a guy to me. Seems like he'd be an avid pheasant. Hunter the right dog. He would he perfectly trained dough Gama. God I record. We did an episode again last night. Making I just play movies for him and get his guidance so he is amazing. His number one thing that he thinks should be utilized to clear structures for military personnel as attack snakes and Hornets and smell. Yeah it's amazing. All trained eagles. Yeah but the population where we live it. Triples if not quadruples in the summertime so it goes down in the winter and There's a lot of glacier national park which I have been through been told it rivals yellowstone but a fraction of the traffic. Really interesting and you can see the opening to Glacier National Park. I think that's the place to live. If Yellowstone blows which yellowstone could blow. You WanNa be right. There won't get US although if it blows. Yeah but you WANNA be right there. You don't want it to get you in a month. Oh no for sure you want your house to vaporize and don't WanNa be that guy who dies in that nuclear winter four months later of starvation. Watch while you've buried your kids and your backyard shallow grave fuck energy to dig a real whole new doing some like book of Elisha hunting. Exactly you. Don't want that man get caught. You don't WanNa be that guy. Well you know what so the other thing like? I've seen the first one that got me. Was the open spaces blocked off from people. The second one that I just. I didn't realize how prevalent it was when I lived in San Diego until I went to a place. Where almost doesn't exist is homeless We were driving around yesterday. And I mean I. I know that there are homeless people in Montana for sure but is like eight. Who knows in the summer months? I can talk. It's fuck that's where I wanna be homeless in the winter months no I would be migratory homeless person for sure but driving around yesterday seeing people face down on concrete in the just the most lovely heroin nap smiling on their face using the concrete and then the the tents we went by one this morning there was a tent apartment complex surfboards like the homeless people but they surf at the same time and It just didn't realize any just driving around yesterday. Having people approach you and I don't have a lot of experience people who are using math but I would assume that these individuals were I. Don't I mean I don't know how it got this bad but I also know how how California's going to navigate their way out of that. It's a good question and I don't think anybody has the answer. There's been no clear answer but I agree with you. It's almost like you need to bail. I mean my wife keeps like is it ramps up. She keeps getting more and more like we gotta get the fuck out here like would it take for her to be like pack your Shit. We're going on earth. Quake thinks she has an idea. I don't think she has an earthquake is she's never experienced a real one. She's experienced a few tremors but if a real earthquake hit a real motherfucker of an earthquake you would see a mass exodus out of this place. This place is so do it. So do for big so do for fires something going to bring down half the building's Malibu burn last year. Yeah and my neighborhood. Three houses right in front of my shit. That's right you posted pictures of the Fire Department at your house There was three fucking houses in front of my house that are gone. Did those people rebuild or they bill. Nobody's rebuilt yet. I mean think it takes Takes a while to get your insurance money. Some people in my neighborhood have started rebuilding but a lot of people are going. Get THE FUCK. Outta here like these. This happens here. I mean we since I've lived in my neighborhood. We have been evacuated three times over the last twenty years really fires are all. I guess my brother-in-law's a San Diego city fire captain and during a particular season of the year. I think the Goddamn it What do they call? The wind is the hot winds. That come from the east. Santa Anna's it's basically all hands on deck because they know that that's just a tinderbox blowing their way into the valley. There's not enough resources to stop those mother fuckers in their tracks once once once the fire gets going starts burning through those hills two years ago I mean I mean it's not all plum drops in roses up. I mean we got four fires. Obviously in two years ago. It was to the point where I couldn't see the end of my block. Just oh just smoke sunk all the way down and a lot of it actually wasn't from the area where I live from fires in Canada them as being blown down into a valley because we live in a valley since the flathead valley and it just gets compressed and it just sat there for suck for your breathing. It was during the opening elk opener in Montana and just walking around there was a couple of days was like fuck it. I don't care. I'm not going to go hunting. Wow Yeah is that bad? Come back inside and you take your clothes off and you come back into the room with a close right. It's like Oh my God yeah. It's not just you probably can't see that far either so when your glasses probably suck hundred yards. Oh God that's useless when the elks still bugling. So it's interesting that I've seen elk texted you picture one time. I've seen elk on my property but I've never heard because there are so many wolves so you can go either wolves a lot. No you don't know but there's Wolf scat everywhere and Will you talk to the guys who hunter like if you go ahead and cal bugle and see what happens? If you're like glass a heard and you do that. They'll pick their head up and be like. Hey Man we're outta here because we don't do that in these parts. Because that's that's the McDonald's dinner bill to know cow calls. No Bugles. Wow so I think you'd have to intercept them. That's a reared thing because that kind of changes. What elk hunting is is one of the things that's really cool about l? Elk Hunting is when they scream at each other like. There's something really exciting about that yet when it cabinet your chest. Because they're that close when Cameron. I shut that bull that I showed you this Video that we did that He found it like right behind me. We had gotten into this Rut. Fests where there was like nine bulls. There were going at it. With all these cows they had these cows branched off into like these little harems and this one pocket of timber was just filled with bulls and cows. It was crazy screaming at each other. And that's the same scenario. The bulla killed after you guys took off we were. I don't know if it was accidental. Or the the guy that had been in that area the Hell's Canyon area. He put us on a basically a four way freeway intersection of Bulls and cows. After I shot the bowl that is shot. Like three or four other bowls still came in and would just sit there and look like fifteen yards away. Just looking at us like what's going on. They lose their mind. Tell written bugles that trip the Utah trip we did I got. I was frustrated. Mind you I had an interesting experience during that week but I had more interaction in time to actually watch elk in their environment got to see one or two wallow for the first time Watch one just kicking the shit out of a tree for thirty minutes. Just rake in that thing and the guys can't shoot it but good and try to get as close as you want to you could you? Because it was too young this is all I will get my guide and since this audience you your fingers. Yeah this is what I'm doing too small to small and I'm just like if you weren't here I would have shot every animal that we have seen they get in trouble they get in trouble desert if The animals under nine years old. That was an amazing experience. But that's why it's amazing. If they didn't do that they'd have ever jackass. Like you and me going down there and launch an arrows at all the young buck all the balls. That got close enough. You know some of those things well and then I could have had a shot opportunity the third day in there but I was on his left shoulder and he was trying to give me his thumbs up with his right hand so I would have to be able to see through his body to see it. Oh retarget and just watching this this and this bowl either had just gotten it's ass kicked or had just had more sex than it ever had in this entire like matted with sweat just standing by Bush just and I'm sitting there headed ranged like seven times. You Know Bulls. Don't sweat right now. I don't know what he was doing. Then probably wallowing around in water. Whatever he was he was exhausted. Maybe he was exhausted but they they don't sweat tossed around with a Harem. Forbid took a little whores bath but that thing he actually even looked over and saw some like dishonored off. Wow and you had the green light I had well. I was being given a green light. But how far away was he forty two? Oh Jesus it would have been and it was a slightly uphill been perfect actually. Yeah it is nothing in this life. That's like a I mean I I don't want to say is the best thing in life because I'm sure it's not but nothing that's like a perfect shot on an animal when you watch that errol arc right into that Golden Triangle and you see it sink into the fledging and you like it's done. Yeah that's it that video you have of Cam Filming. It was pretty unbelievable. The best video I've ever seen in my life. You guys got to touch gay at the end of it. Super I love you. Somebody said I always wondered what it would look like Cam. Joe had a kid and we almost found out. I support that completely. There's something about doing something like that though that shot and that was a good one too. Because there's all this hang time because it was a long shot so you you hear the thump the Bogo off and then you see that Arrow to slam right into the right into the pump station. That was what sixty five sixty seven yards. That's such an awesome shot. Oh how do you feel in that moment when you know was shot is coming? You start getting amped up or sometimes I don't want to though I try to keep myself from getting amped up but in that one. I just concentrated one hundred percent on the process. Autism shaken by that shot. After it was over I was super excited but during the shot I felt very relaxed. I mean I was clearly elevated right is clearly I mean it was a big bowl and it was a long shot and it was a perfect opportunity. Turn totally broadside. Was He slowly walk into? He stopped stopped. He he hit fucked up. This other ball did gone after it and he turned and he was going back to his ladies and he just took a breath just pause and you pause in between these two trees and the thank in watching it sale sales sale and here the walk and right into the lungs. I knew his double long. We're right away. How far do you go? He print pretty far. He went to a hundred yards. It's amazing how far they can go with no lungs. Yeah they just sprint with all the air they have in their body and they're so big and their legs are so long they can get one hundred yards in a couple of seconds. And that's what happened. He went over the top of the hill he went he went. He started running. He went over this log and went over the top of the hill. And then when another like thirty or forty yards and piled up just just dead never stopped just just got the one spot and then tipped over. We found my with all four legs backwards to tease quartering shot. You can actually hear me on video when it I I knew I was going to have to draw the came into like three yards head on and I had and I hadn't drawn because I hadn't gotten thumbs up yet. That was legitimately. Okay what do I do if this thing keeps coming like I was going to go jabeen dive out of the way because the cameraman was behind me and I figured he would Chin but I knew I had two guys with me and I knew they were going to try to stop him so I have at least fucked up enough things hunting them like okay? This is probably what's going to happen now So I took my time to draw any stop but I had like this little window in the trees to shoot through some trying to line up my pins and when it released from the Angle. I was looking at it was pretty hard. Quarter away. Say Oh fuck it's back and it ran over hill. We look back on the video and was back but the angle that penetrated with perfect. Back on a real hardcore touring away shot and we could hear just over the hill. It was the guys I'm like. Is that good? And he was just like it's good. The first bull shot the desert. I had to shoot through this little window and it was on film. It was like First bullet ever shot. I think the first. Yeah definitely the first bull ever shot with a bow and Arrow that I knew other people are going to be able to see it because it was for under armor and tweak you out a little bit. Don't know surprising now. I was real focused because of I think there's something good about that because I do so much shit on camera doing stuff on camp but I was also very focused on making a good shot but I had to shoot through like a Beach Ball. Size hole at thirty yards had a punch it straight through the hose. It thirty yards. Yeah this whole it was all this shit in front of him is a video of it. The bull stops guide stops it and I just read the what that whole right next to me. I wouldn't WANNA have to go through that basketball. Hoop at a distance wasn't much choice. Yeah it was but it was big enough. It was a beach ball size. It was big enough so I didn't hesitate his vitals right spot. It was a perfect stoppage Huey the guide that we use. Who's awesome he Colton Shout out to you. He he stopped it perfect. I mean he just he just ran made. It made a noise and just where he stopped it. You couldn't have said hold on back them up to inches. Couldn't have done that. And you hit that for armed for just a touch if you went up to him and pointed to the spot where you should hit him. Hit him any more perfect. It just went right in there. How Stabler your pins when you're getting to that moment. I don't even know I don't know I don't know I mean it's like when you make a good. It's a very very satisfying feeling but you just so concentrating on the process. It's hard to recollect. I remember I did all the stuff that I needed like. I said that when I did that video with Cam I said I just concentrated on the process I said in my peop- check my bubble and and I put the pin on them and I just pulled my back and I was using a silverback to which I really really like for high pressure situations because you really have no idea when it's going to go off and because of that man. I mean I know. A lot of people like thumb trigger and I've used that to look at in the under armour thing to the venue or you know I use the first choice to three finger one. I like three finger. Ones is similar concept. You mean with you can still fire with back tension. But you're typically my thumb just sits on it and I'm pulling it with my back but you can flinch if you just go now and you hit it with your thumb will go whereas won't with the silver. The last thing you want is to be that go now guy right that hit it now. It's the terrible feeling when you know you've done that and you miss you feel such even a target. If I should've target like that I'm like what the Fuck I'll go back to. Like a hinge release or go back to a back tension for months and months and I won't touch thumb until I know I can use it now. I'm really confident can hunt with them. Because I know that I have a process in my head. I don't just shoot. I have this whole process or make myself go through these steps so I don't fuck it up. You have fucked up enough that I'll rigorously stick to that process but it's nothing like those back tension releases you take all that out of the equation like you're not with that silverback you just using tension that you're not thinking about anything else so usually do you like ninety five percent of my practice with that but I usually hunt with the knock too because I like to be able to hang on the dealership. That's really the only thing that I said banged around. When you're going through the bushes and shit what if it falls off I like to keep that fucker. All right my second one on the right and my buydell horace or right in my pocket a second one to have hunted with the silverback. That first blackberry killed was with a silverback. Yeah I wonder if they'll let us this year I know right. Have you thought about that? I have thought about that. Yeah would I think I mean what about I mean Montana? They make a ton of money per year on non-resident tanks and I'm curious what about outfitters? I bet you. They're not sitting on. Cash reserves can go multiple seasons without hunting. Oh no no not at all. Yeah what do they do? Yeah what do you miss the most comedy clubs for? Sure at all the stuff that you deal is at your favorite. Yeah if there was one thing that I couldn't if I if I could choose one thing that I had to abandon all the other ones would be comedy because I feel like podcast. I could always do somebody else's podcast and have a good time once a week or once every month or whatever and as far as the UFC. I'm just I enjoy it as much watching at home as I do calling and in fact probably maybe a little bit more fight companions with the Hallinan and Eddie Bravo. Watch usually between two to three minutes. We're having fun but the live experience is a job but it's also you know. It means a lot to me to be able to do that. Job Like to be able to give words to incredible moments where these guys are. Having these insane fights into to try to illustrate how spectacular it is and enhance it for the people at home. But I don't have to do that other people do that. Real good in those plenty of pretty good. I actually have gone back and watched some of the older. Ufc's and I didn't realize how much I didn't know until I started training And now because if you don't know what you're looking at some of the shit that happens is invisible. You explain it right and then you're like oh. I remember when that son of a bitch to that to me in the Jimmy of the deal. That hurts yeah but man. I didn't realize how little I understood about the micro exchanges that are going on or just positioning and the pressure. Faulk man yes particularly on the ground you know that's one thing where people who don't have any experience and grab we really don't know what they're looking at striking is kind of like the guy hit the guy with the elbow. The Guy hit the guy with the knee. They're kind of like you can kind of see you kind of get it. You don't know how he did it. Wow I hit him like that but you know he hit him and that's why they're gonNA hurt whereas with submissions. Like what happened like someone gets someone. Calf slicer any like what happened. Why would you tap to that community? Charles O'Hara got a guy and a calf slicer in the AFC. And I remember thinking. Look this motherfucker. Like wow this is so painful it fills a unique is gonNA explode your Shins GonNa snap beyond the biceps last. There's not much I hate that one because I feel like there's a small window where you know like when you have it you know you you put it across the arm and then you triangle it it it seems like as your pony trial it. There's a small window here with this thing's going to snap vinnie magallanes snapped. Did you here about that? Greg Jones Russia's Mr Hashtag Loxton work think he had something controversial to say and then didn't he melts his fucking leg due to the same thing. You as you probably said that that they don't work on him because like Craig Jones a famous leg locker if he did say it. I don't know if he did say it. I'm pretty sure he had leading up to it as somewhere along. The lines of Hashtag locks don't work on me or fuck leg locks. Well now. We know he's got a broken Tibia Tibia or fibula one of the it was a spiral fracture right. Yeah I heard that. His foot was visibly pointing in a direction that a human foot should not be Craig. Jones sent me a message so we could see if we WANNA see it. Okay he he he let me know about it and he sent me a direct message on instagram. Highly support his choice of leopard apparel when he goes into the ring. He's a funny guy. He's a very interesting guy. So this is a yeah. Okay dz images. This is a prank on it as the first image. And then he's acknowledging that I can't I don't know about you will you sit ringside actually said it before you probably seen more people get knocked out then probably anybody else on earth. I'm okay it's surprises me. I don't like to go and like let me go. Look at Youtube for motorcycle wrecks. That fucks me up. I can if it happens in front of me. I'm like Oh damn or if I don't know what's going to happen the video I'm fine with it. Turns my stomach if I actively go and look for that Shit on the Internet? It probably should de some people do like how about kids. Imagine being a sixteen year old cable Internet Account. The sixteen year old kids with Internet access and a youtube account. They're just jumping on and watching all these videos. You can fill your brain up a decision and fourteen year old boys. I think they're you know broken. From the browser history leave a mark. Animal attacks is so many animal attack videos now. When I was a kid who was hard. It was hard to find a guy getting attacked by a tiger. Or it's hard to find a guy get mall by the guy's face missing from that and then I'm talking. I know hawking you know what fucks me up is like one hundred people will send that to me. Why do you think I WANNA see that? Because they're in your neighborhood. Those say embarrassed. Well I've seen you know. Actually I haven't no grizzlies. I know but there is a Grizzly at the ski resort is talking about Whitefish. They have a run called hell roaring on the backside and they had to close it down at touch early. Because there's a grizzly den right there and they gonNA shut it down before she comes out. Holy Fuck Holy Fuck. Imagine if she comes out while you're skiing you must use your coming down ship and you see the Oh I can. I can one up on that. I don't know I think it was a few years ago. There was a downhill mountain bike rider. So the ski resorts in the summertime. You know they'll carve in the paths so people can just rip down on these multi thousand dollar mountain bikes. I don't person directly but I know people who knew him. Second and third hand. He came ripping around a corner and hit a fucking grizzly bear. Then took his head off killed him. Oh Yeah Oh my God just happ. Well there's huckleberry is all over that mountain to so there are just feasting in the summertime my God so he had the bear I thought he attacked him for my understanding. Is like a blind turn and just at philosophy straight. And can you imagine that? Oh my God yeah you would bounce off that thing like a like a GNAT. That's it so fucked up. That's why I don't do Downhill Mountain bike. Ride Alexei Shit. That's a good move. I mean I guess you're a safety. I kinda Guy I do. Safety is the primary. Hey I've backed way off a lot of the shit that I do know. You haven't talked to some guy broke your record or the flying squirrel suit. And you're like I'm gonNA break it of course I'm going to but what I want. Well see the problem with that. Is the airplanes all go to the same height? I WANNA get like a helium balloon and go to eighty thousand feet in a wing suit and then send that sucker which require like a partial pressure spacesuit did make me nervous actually you know what I'm saying. How do you WanNa do that though? Oh I won't I mean I can talk shit to be honest with you. Skydiving is extremely easy. The wing stuff is actually extremely easy. You gravity works. It's been tested since before. Newton had an apple. Phone is head if that ever actually happened but it's also easy for things to go really wrong not really particularly the wings. No not really for people who are on the front leading edge of creativity and innovation. Maybe in the wing suit design. Or they're trying to do something crazy. I would say people who are trying to be the new youtube sensation are they're probably at a much higher risk level because of what's I mean there's so there's videos of people flying their wings suits and the wing of it. You know you Kinda extend your arm and your there's a gripper that's probably three to four times. It's like it's like a Harry Potter one and you gently hold it in between your fingers and you can deform the wing a little bit so the wing extends slightly out from your finger. There's videos of people dragging wingtips in snow on mountains. That's how close that they're flying. I mean what the Fuck could you possibly? Do you know what I mean like. What's next after that? Land the thing on your belly and I have not desire to do like. They can go try to do all that all they want to like. I could give a shit about that. I enjoy being outdoors. Do Base jumping skydiving. But I try to do to safest humanly possible. And how jumped in well? Actually I ride bulls but I ride bulls with an understanding of what could go wrong and I have a comment to the bowl. I can't manage. I'm aware in a lot of guys. Reckless yeah I know where the danger is like. Yeah no it's I mean I've been around enough incidents that have happened in those environments in loss. Enough friends that I get it. I understand the consequences to it and my risk reward ratio has shifted but one of the big things that I would actually rather do now Jujitsu. It's I love it. It's fucking awesome. Yeah we were just talking about that. I'm banged up an injured and build a role for about a year and I can't wait to get back. Can't wait to. How much were you rolling before that over the last year? Not that much last year before I got injured so was in. I've been injured perpetually over the last three years whereas shoulder injuries that I had to get stem cells for lower back injury that was causing me to have some SCIATICA bunch stop knee stuff. There's always something and when you hit my age I'm fifty two now. I don't know anybody who does Jujitsu. That's my age that doesn't get a bunch of surgeries. They all change their trading patterns. Were Training Partners Pretty. You'll see people like nope not say no to savage's that just WANNA fucking go to war every day some guys just don't roll light. They just want to go to war. Always wanted to go to war and it's fun I get it but it's going to work you fucking win. Yeah but it's also just. It's not even if you win because even if you do when you still hurt yourself like that does sheer numbers you know. I started Ju Jitsu in ninety six. So just the sheer numbers of training sessions over all those years it. Just I know so many guys that are fucked up to the point where they have like one atrophied arm because they've pinched nerves in their nerves aren't signaling to their biceps like. I know a couple of guys like that. Did they. Train through the warning signs CASS? Everybody they all do. Men could be the dumbest species on the face of the planet shorter. But that's also why we get shit done because we figure out a way to push through things it's like it's a catch twenty two because you don't want to the kind of person who puts his out every time they feel a little pain they never get anywhere but then you have to know when you are not being a pussy. But you're actually being a good body manager right so you've gotta no one no. This is actually an injury. You have a torn ligament do this tobacco off. You were telling me before you were a head arm tranquil guy. I love those but they fuck your neck up the fuck my neck up. Necker the personal line. I developed a bulging disc in my neck on the side because I was pushing with the right side of my neck. Point loading forehead in spoiler alert. I always get it on the right arm on the left arm. Sometimes you have got him a few times of left-arm but there's a big difference between your white in my black belt. Side is their right arm. I always found myself attacking that right arm. Okay so what's their right arm when I would get that pinch down. I have a strong neck and I would use that as like the third arm all the time and I was developing a bulge in my neck because of that and that started sending some weird signals down my arm where I would get pain in my elbow and and numbness of my fingers and it was because my my disc was pushing against my nerve and then not tapping the guillotine didn't help and not tapping to ruin a savage one cool. Get on the old little. Oh yeah up around the trachea tap and then you just like over here for a second. Well there's there's some you know some fucking Darcy masters out there that would show you something. That's even grocer than that. I understand the struggle with that one. Well you have good length arms. I've short stubby arms but When you have long arms a Roger Gracie or something along those lines like those guys you can finish it over the top. Tony Ferguson is one of the best. I've ever seen actually watched the video that he was getting it. Standing it was mesmerizing matches it from everywhere to he. Catches it in scrambles anybody who fights him you have to keep? He did it to Edson Barboza in a bloodbath of a fight right crazy five blood everywhere and in the middle of Scramble He has Barboza Heart Sinks in this dark joke like in the third round when they were covered in sweat and blood can't doesn't finish it from the bottom of the top. Decide is and care all the time from everywhere. He's going to me. It's like it's funny. How some guys has just this one technique that just so sharp like there was cody McKenzie. I don't know if you remember him on. The ultimate fighter. Sorta like wild dude from Alaska. Looked like he just stepped off of a bar and smoke some mail. Yeah but he had a crazy guillotine crazy he caught everybody with everybody knew it was coming still got him. They call it the McKenzie team. It was amazing. I would watch him and he wasn't good other stuff. I mean not. Not that he wasn't it wasn't bad at other stuff but he wasn't like that with other moves he's just one move that he just had like. Have you got caught in his guillotine? You are fucked. He just had a polished to people. Get Out of your head arm. Yeah some people got out but more people. Didn't you finish from the top or would you go to the side? I go to the side. Yeah but I've I've finished people from the mount. I finished people from full side. Where go around like a clock arm counter clockwise rather and then also finished with the they would call I forget what Eddie called it. The impaler that's what it was the impaler is and this was a really good one if someone was doing that. Defense. There's a defense that guys will do with a wrap their own arms around their leg and They can kinda push with their leg and he gives himself some space and it keeps you from cutting the blood off but free is one side Right but you can. You can beat that by what's called the impaler when the Paler is you get the head. And arm you clamp it down get yourself in position then you move your need to their sternum and then once you have the knee and the sternum then you fuck you crush it down and it it forces them to defend that pain it depends. It's a battle. The guys really strong or if he's bigger than you you might not get it from there but it is a significant counter to that defense if you can get it in there because you know you've got to think that arms here and the arms the two arms are wrapped around that right you slide your knee right in there and you need plants right down on that stern you just look. I'm just sitting here and get a guy like Jaakko doing something like that. Everything's just GonNa go pop pop pop those ribs of Go Eddie Bravo did it to me once and I thought it was going to lose all my ribs like I was like try this. Try Try when I defend. And he got his knee in there. And put the clamp down over fuck. It's so painful because that's if you if you have good base first all you gotTA assume the guy's not fighting your base right. If he's doing that if he's if he's doing that he's committed to defending in that position. He's not going to be able to hip escape or bucks right so he doesn't have use of his arms so he doesn't have used his arms. I feel like I can commit much more. Crushing his ribcage. He's not going anywhere you know. He's not even trying to where he's he's admitting the fact that I've got him fucked so he's trying to hang on as long as you can but that leaves your whole ribcage open and you just cruel crush it down. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN EDDIE. Move called the impaler. It's a horrible feeling that I hate. I hate it when he does it to me. He has awful. I'm fascinated by the levels that it's it's just unbelievable I worked a little bit with Henry. Higgins he over to his house one of these great fuck ban like the control big but the control and the ability to apply pressure to a pinpoint location. He's like he's like he put me in a scarf on me work on your you know your kiss Qatami. So He lets me put him in and he's like okay. I'm going to tune in apple a bit. Let me let me do it to you and I was just like Oh my God Hickson blackbelt direct. You know that Hickson Gracie. Lineage is the basics. The I don't like the word basic sometimes give people. The wrong opinion is the fundamentals the fundamentals razor sharp sharp into an impossible edge. Like if you see krone if you see hodges the same way you don't see any crazy stuff you don't see anything that you don't see in Jujitsu match from one thousand nine hundred three all. Those standard techniques has just their polished to this impossible shine and they just know how to do all of the fundamental so perfectly and there's an interesting. There's an interesting lesson to be learned there. It's like what is more important. Is it more important to have an arsenal of techniques? He can hit from any different position. Or to have seventy eight techniques that you do so well that you could you could tap some of the best black belts in the world with them. And that's like that's the Hajj Gracie posts a sallow. He Barrel Approach Rafael Ovalles. Auto those kind of guys. They don't see like wild crazy innovative stuff. You see the fundamental basis of Jujitsu. That's just out of control with its complexity yet. Henry had some stories about watching Hickson train with other people. And I. I'M I won't even try to remember the names because I'd fuck them all up. But essentially I think. He said he was a purple belt. Henry was and he watch these guys come in who are like the apex of the sport. Jiu Jitsu Competition Jujitsu circuit. And I think he was saying Hickson was at the point. I think where he was kind of battling some injuries as well too like they were catching up with them. A little bit so he wouldn't have a pretty robust level of training underneath at that time and he would just run through these people. He told his particular story about a current world. Champion where Hickson just happened. Decide control top and the guys spiked his black belt in the garbage can on the way out the door and Henry said nobody they were. He was partnered up with another guy who he described as his arch enemy. Pearl Belt on Purple Belt murder in the corner but then they cut out of the corner. There is the Hickson was rolling through like. We're we're done for now. We're GONNA watch Hickson role forbid and I guess. He got him with something first and then he didn't see was the second time so. Henry said he stayed afterwards just like what happened. I didn't see the second mission. He's like control top. Just a fucking pressure that current world champion. That's so crazy. Yeah because that's like a meme. There's a guy sitting down with a girl and she goes tell me about yourself and he goes. I tap from pressure and then the next picture is the guy by himself and the girls gone. I support it. Yeah it's fucking hilarious mean for Jiu Jitsu people because you know tap in from pressures. That's a it takes a lot of people out there with the founders of origin Pete Roberts man origin Up in Maine so they had me out there. I was a still still been doing juicy less than two years but I remember I had my wipe out at the time. And he's fucking toying with me. Obviously you know. He's got a bunch of stripes on his black belt. Large man he's like you ready for some of the black belt pressuring like no no. I'm not I'm good kid off. It is interesting to levels right. You know like and you would see a guy like him. If he rolled with a guy like Roger Gracie guarantee you he would have a probably a similar situation happened. It is it's weird and then these new guys that are coming up. I mean it's just like peop- people are constantly elevating the level. These guys like Gordon Ryan and Gary Tone and Craig Jones and they're constantly elevating the level of what we think of is like top-flight you two would those guys. I guess you'd have to speak forum but I hear a lot about the talk between the fundamental Jujitsu that you were talking about in the new school. Jitsu which I can't even define really what New School Ju Jitsu is. I don't even have enough experience for that. A lot of its leg locks. What are your I mean? What are your thoughts like a? Because I know Gordon Ryan I know that name in the Craig Jones and I actually know them both because of hearing about leg locks and just watching the crazy contortionist stuff to me that it seems like they'll do to get in there but as soon as they have it it's over. I mean that would be considered new school right well. New School is certainly John Donna. Hers Stuff Eddie. Bravo stuff craig. Jones is in. It's all whether it's gear Nogi. Because that's that's you know you gotta make those distinctions and the game is very complicated to. Because there's so many different grips and holds and somebody I mean it's very technical and the people who really love the key. Think it's way more technical and that there's more even Marceau Marcela Garcia who's famous for Nogi says that Nogi revolve it evolves a lot irrev- a lot around of physical ability. Like your athleticism you strength or speed pitas Nogi does. It's a big factor like a lot of wrestlers can go into. Nogi and do very well really quickly. You know it doesn't surprise Nikki. Rodriguez a young guy out of New York. I think he's like twenty three. Who is Beating a lot of champions and beating by decision or taking their back and stuff but he's a really big really strong kid who's a wrestler and his he's able to scramble in and beat these guys like Cyborg and beat them because he's just a better wrestler just a bigger stronger faster wrestler. And you give me some good advice. I think it was about a year ago we were chatting and I was asking you about your percentage of g versus no gear on that you do and you said you when you roll in the gay you still don't take grips. Yes and I've done a port. I mean I struggle with that concept in the middle of the role because I would do. I do mostly because that's a lot of what the school is. And it's tempting like here's a car door handle. I WANNA hold onto that but specifically when I like if all start standing in somebody else's started seated I will constantly tell myself not to my hands I try to keep my group's open it's a saved my grip but I think it applies. It has helped me will apply more to the Nogi as well. Yeah I like I like key for defense. What I like with with key is it makes me really concentrate on my defense because I can't pull out of things you can't just explode because I feel like when you're slippery and it's no Jesus so much in get out of just a quick explosion quick movement and that's when you deal with a guy like a Nike Rodriguez Big Fast Explosive Kid. I think you're talking about. He's a beast right. He's on that Gordon Ryan school to he's One of the guys so John. Yeah so all. Those guys are all coming out of that same. What Goddamn lion's den that places so I mean so many top level guys have come from that spot. I just loved his coaching sailing. I just love how he does it though. Gordon Ryan back exposure near like an evil genius no elevated speech tones of course first and last name. Yeah as if anybody the other person would confuse day and her talking to them because his probably get coached in Brazilian Portuguese where the fuck their same imagine how terrifying it must beat here Donna Give someone explanation of how to choke you and you like Shit. He's GonNa follow it and he's getting kept me back. Exposure Wooden Ryan back exposure. I will say though. He should wear it more appropriate attire outside of Studio Rash Guard everywhere. You yes I was going to say that Matt Sarah's wedding more Rash Guard Mil. Let me ask you this. Did it have bowtie on? It was like the Tuxedo shirts because that I would actually be okay with. That's fairly classy. It is classy and it. I looked people might be like. Oh fuck he's dressed up But he's also ready to rule or maybe whereas one was just a big heart and center to Psych. He's there for love Callans. Some funny stories but dinner doesn't yes he that dude you sit down and talk to him. He's been in some weird rooms with some very high level. People Cowan. Yeah observing more than participating but still. He's there yeah. Yeah he's he's list he's. I don't know anybody like Alan. He's let a strange life. That's that's the understatement of the day. Perhaps yeah he's my longest running friend in Los Angeles. Did you guys meet over comedy? We met He was on mad. Tv and I came in as a guest and that was in ninety five. Maybe something like that ninety five or ninety six and we've been best friends ever since. Yeah he's a good dude. He is uh we were watching horrendous. Tv show last night. That I had been thinking about since we watch it. 'cause it fucking bothered me so much and he's like an incredibly empathetic person. He doesn't want hurt. Anybody like to a fault. He'll you know what I mean like. He's getting upset at the TV show. I was yelling at the TV. He was just getting upset internally at probably week being in the corner but it was. I think the show. I don't want him to say the name of the show because I don't want people to watch these dumpster fire of garbage TV but essentially you know limited amount of time to get a visa to get married and these people are obviously getting just catfish completely. Utterly and they're like you know I lost. My Life is married for thirty years. I found love again online. And His name is willy or whatever it is and it's dude who's just like it's a model is like it's from England but his camera doesn't work on his phone so I've never really seen him this type of show. Nsm explained that you're looking at me like who the fuck would ever fall for this. Well there's seven seasons so that's who would fall for it. There's plenty of people yet to realize that a lot of that's fake. A lot of those reality shows. They kind of know they're supposed to play stupid. And they edit around stuff that doesn't I think they cast well for this one might be an essence of it being fake but also I mean. There's a reason that the Nigerian scammers exists right a catch the catch people. Actually one of these women went to Nigeria because she was going to marry a robber soldier. Boy and I'm sitting there at the same reaction occurred from every family when the family got read into what was about to happen. I Hey I'm going to go to one guy was going to. I think the Philippines and his daughter was like what and then the One lady was telling her daughter. I'm going to go to England. Meet this guy. And she's like what and they all sit down and try to talk the person out of it but they won't have it fistful of red flags everywhere and they're just like parting those red flags to see and it's just like in. Brian's like he's heartbroken for them he just kept saying I feel so bad for her to. We have to keep watching. This is such a sensitive snowflake. He's the best way when when I met him. We both grew up very different. And when I met him he was by all these bullshit artists. And I remember like all these different guys like Mike's GonNa Produce this movie and Tim's going to produce his TV show. I know he's not like your bullshit artists. These guys are full. Shit Man. He's a good guy and slowly but surely he figured it out but God damn and it took forever are people that are called. You're into town of that though. I don't know how the fuck you guys operate in this environment that you're in the I'm not saying that everybody's bullshit artist but I suspect that everybody wants something. Yes but we're comics and comedy is that there's not been in a couple of movies but there's no bigger but I've only been in Kevin James Movies because he's my friend. There's no bigger meritocracy and showbiz comedy. Because if you are not funny they do not laugh. There is no. You can't fake it. You could fake music. Man They auto tune on your voice and get somebody else to do. It gets even better right. They literally didn't even have their own voice. You can get other people that will write for you. Other people produce music. They'll change your voice in post. You'll be fine but in comedy. No it's only truth. You either are funny or you are not. What's the worst it's ever gone for you? Oh terrible hundreds of terrible bobby to accompany for thirty one years so when you look at how much time you know and you just go eat shit and cry and and and go back home and try to figure out what went wrong and the pain is so bad you never wanna feel it again. The way I describe it some as what's it like to bomb onstage. I go. It's like sucking thousand dicks in front of your mother except there's probably some out there that likes suck dicks in front of his mother. There's no one who likes bombing. No one likes bombing so might be worse. I would rather bomb than succoth thousand Dixon for sure but it might be worse to bomb. It might be worse. Feel it early to like as soon as you get up there. Do you know if there's a disconnect the crowd now sometimes yes sometimes no sometimes. It's you and sometimes sometimes it's just a series of events that take place and sometimes you could be in a bad mood. You learn the audience. It's not they're not just dependent upon you saying the words right. They're dependent upon you being in tune with what you're saying. You have to really believe what you're saying. You have to be focused on what you're saying you got to be in. The moment can be hall of those little animals could smell. You smell you. They known you're full of Shit like this guy's not even thinking about this. He's just saying like he's thinking about it. It's like a hypnosis. That's what comedy's like it in a lot of ways. It's like mass hypnosis but it's a it's a d. you're trying to trick them into something but you're trying to talk them into a certain state of mind where they will allow you to take the reins on their thoughts and you will drive the thoughts and they'll allow you if you're writing is good and your concepts are good and you're making them laugh you make them feel good. They'll let you take him on a rod and a if you don't if the rides bad they get really mad at you. That's the reason why bombing is so painful because comedy killing is so good so it's like killing feel so that bombing is just the worst feeling of all time. Isn't that tough to sit there and watch somebody else? Bombed some people love it. Love it shit. This is great like my friend Greg Fitzsimmons. He can watch people bomb and he just he's he'll just die laughing he just can't he can't help himself he loves it. He thinks it's hilarious. Hey at least so many in the crowd laughing yeah. He's laughing for his right reason. But for me it's I don't enjoy it it just. I've had experiences on the road. This is a real problem in the early days before I could take guys to open for me. I would rely on local openers so safe I was going to work in Florida. That's gotta be some variable. Oh you ain't seen nothin' I'll be working in Florida Florida's the worst place for us. 'cause the comics are so bad. The local comics in Florida. It's like you know places known for having a Shit level of there's no high level comedy into look local comedy. That anybody's aware of in Florida. I could be wrong. I mean I heard like a little bit of a scene in Miami. Now some comics are putting together. Some shows the traditionally. If you were doing like the Improv in Tampa and you showed up to do that you were going to work with the worst fucking axe. You've ever worked with all year and you'd be like Oh my God. Does that set you up for Ya okay? That's the problem when I was saying if someone bombs I mean to single out the Improv in Tampa but if somebody bombs you think nothing's funny he's like no one can be funny and he can't be done. Comedy comedy doesn't work. You have to be out. You have to not know they bombed and then you go up there fresh loose but even then because you've got to be in the room when they're introducing you so if you're watching the guys closing bit and it's just it's fucking diarrhea spectacular of a joke. I've been around so much bad cominated. It really does set you off. You gotta dig the audience out of a hole because the audience is mad that you've done this to them like the audiences mad. You've made them listen to this guy before you pay for it. They think it's your fault. Also they're they're not convinced that you'll be funny because they've been tortured for the last half hour and that dot is thank you know yes can have all well. You know the the if you understood the reward. You'd get it like if you I do agree so I I do. A bunch of public speaking and there are times. It's not comedy even though I pretty much every time we'll say at least something that's wildly inappropriate. Because we do that. And you get out rush. Well you when you connect with the whole audience and you can see like you'll and I've been at places where they have speakers. Come up and you know five minutes. N People are dislike looking at their phone and then when you get up there and the like the economy of words is really good and your thoughts are flowing really. Well everybody like you can just look around and be like Oh everybody's actually paying attention to actually nailing this right now I would imagine it's a fraction of a percentage of what you guys are feeling there. It's yeah you probably not even in the neighborhood. Chace the connection. Yeah but there's a thing about the laughs like there's some about when he hit a punchline and you get a roar is a drug like no other. It's a weird drug to real weird. You should make fun of veterans more with count about this to anybody who does other than bill. Burr has really funny bit. He did a little bit. I was telling Brian like this an under serviced population. That you guys should start swinging for the fences on it. It's GONNA wildly irritate a lot of people. But that doesn't mean that they should be made fun of. I can only make fun of things that I would wanna make fun of them. I don't WanNa make fun of veterans. Told you a bunch of fucked up stuff off. Air about batch would only work if I was a veteran like I can make fun of Italians because I am Italian. You know what I mean. If I was a veteran and I had some funny shit to say about veterans but I wish there was are. I'm sure there is. There's a bunch. Donnell Rawlings is a veteran like modern day. That like post nine eleven yes. I don't doubt hope he's up there. Just crushing the Donald's hilarious. He's really funny. But there's gotta be there's gotTa be more than him. That's a that's a veteran. There's there's a bunch of veterans. I'm sure I'm sure there are but I guess my feelings on. It are not that my feelings of respect. It's like if there's anything fucked up about that it's not son of my wheelhouse. I only have so many things. I can say about veterans. So I choose to only say good things you know. I don't have that much. See you're shaking your head but that's you you're in that world. I'm just going to write you like a small novel about things that you could talk about. You can pick and choose from them or just throw away. It's now I get it. I can only make fun of things that I think are funny like. I don't ever pick something go. Hey I think I can make that into a joke. That will work. I never think that I think what is that. Asshole DOING A G- why would you do that? Is that where it's always like this motherfucker? Look this shit dumb. Fuck like it's almost. It's usually like a here story online either. Watch a video or here story or something will happen to me or I'll see somebody do something stupid. It's almost always coming from a position of look at this. Fuck that video you posted today that the Internet is unfair to me. I was crying. House fucking crying in the Green Room and I was crying when I was watching a couch. Fish him the lady and the skirt bell was one of my favorite. The perfect catch of the fireball. The Michael Jackson. Coming out of the the fucking rushing dude with the electricity. Oh he acts. That one told me it took me a second. I'm like what's going on like. Oh He's dancing to it being electrocuted. Oh my God I literally had tears coming down my face multiple times that I'll go watch it again tonight. I'm going to do it. It's an amazing video. In the way it's edited. I wish I knew who edited. Give him the credit. But the way it's edited where the girl is walking out of the water and looking so sexy and so slow leak and then she for what's happening and then when she falls it begins. Yeah because it opens with. It's a few seconds in before it actually begins. I did you just post Joan. Then I was. I had to restart because I couldn't see through the tears I was laughing taught the electrocution what might be the best. It's amazing it's amazing. It's an amazing video. I just that's what I love about the online about that. The means that just funny shit that people are creating like the. I tap pressure. When when would you ever have a joke like that? That would work on people that only do like if anybody who sees that like you and I just laughed really hard at that but the average person. What does that mean? That's not going to mean for sure. It won't work at all like where it kills for us. It doesn't do anything see. That's but that's also like why I can't make veterans like it's not. It's not in my sense of humor. See Problem is people. Don't think what I think is funny is as funny as I. Do you say that but I bet a lot of people. Do you just would have to find the people that do. That's the thing about comedy like on the Shit that I put up to videos of people shooting themselves in the face looking down the barrel and instagram took them. Apparently it's violation of some. I have an entire instagram page. Where all I do is make fun of people with guns. That's all I do. You have a separate instrument is idea by most people know about your boy. Your favor was featured the other day was he fucking pistol. Michael Buildings head wasn't really. Why was he doing that because uh I don't think he knows much about guns. God No he's around a lot of guys who do though which is Weird. You actually were the impetus for the beginning of this page. I was two years ago when I came on and we were making. You asked me what I thought. The most accurate Military movie was and I said Navy Seals. And you're like no shit. I'm like no I'm joking. We Made Fun A-block Sicario flat twenty minutes. So that's how you got into. No I really creative is tactical asshole right. So that in the military terms. Like if you're on the radio like every unit has a call sign but there's an officer in charge and he could be like hey tried in two zero actual means the ground force. Commander is on the horn. So it's tactical asshole actual. I Have Steven Steven. Seagal is the only person I follow. Profile image is Charlie Sheen from Navy seals with the Telemarketer fucking telemarketer. Did they ever use those in the field? No Telemarketers headset so in that movie. He's actually got a telemarketer headset. Yeah do you have any response? All my God I get a Win. Probably fifty some. I don't even have to look for materially more like fifty submissions day. So a guy sent me a video of do with a rifle in between his legs looking down the barrel pushing on it and he has. He's from a middle. Eastern country isn't little hats on boom in the hat flies off and he falls over so two hours later after I was able to stop fucking laughing and see my phone again at posted. Instagram disagrees with my sense of humor. Can you tell me that video? Fuck y'all said airdropped me get mad when they take down videos. That are awesome. Well I think it's from ABS. Obviously a complaint. But you'd be amazed the stuff that's on that page people holding pistols to there is looking down it. Oh do it's. I'M NOT AMAZED. It's unbelievable and then usually. I'll do Steven Seagal Saturdays and just talk about that. Tell me Fuck. Do you remember when he had a television show where he was a cop. So the tactical asshole episode. I did with Brian last night. We reviewed some of that Steven seagal lawman. Yeah where he's teaching marksmanship and he says like the sequence opens with him reading from Sun. Sue The fight and he's like many officers have way to get their head straight before going in the field. So Do I. And he's lighting incense reading from San Suu and then he you know he goes and makes an arrest method. Little is walking up to the guy with his pistol up. He's the only guy in mind you both the time when I watched stuff like this. I don't watch the individual. Watch the people that are around them who are casually strolling up. All of their guns are holsters. Right not Mr Seagal. Who's walking up and pointing it based on it. Well he's just like we say I guess he's like six five but there was another officer in-between the suspect so he's put it over the officers. No He's just holding it like a fuck stick. He doesn't know anything but he said and then there was another one where he was giving an instructional video. Like I just WANNA pass on these techniques that have made me a master shooter and I know a guy who worked with him directly for three months and one of the first things that he did was go to his compound or facility doing marksmanship training and this dude has been on multiple combat deployments. He's like that's the most dangerous should have ever done my fucking life. The Guy was just like Oh my God. And then he worked with him as a technical advisor and rehearsed like he was there and the director they had some sequenced. You know taped out and I guess. Seagal did it in the richest God. This sucks like. Where's the Tech Advisor? Why'd you do this and he's like I didn't do that that's what he wanted to do. He's like well put together a scene for so he works with him rehearses with him for like four hours. He's like doing tactical reload and a lot of stuff. That doesn't exist most movies as soon as the director Said Action. He just completely did his own shit and just forgot everything he was supposed to be was doing. What combat roles? And just like my buddy. Brian like what the fuck man is like. I just feel like I had to do it my way. He's a silly guy. That's a polite way of putting it. Did you ever see when he was teaching Anderson Silva I know he went to sea with him right? Oh no no no no no. They're trained come on teaching Anderson Silva something no no Anderson Silva's an amazing sense of humor and interesting. Civil was a huge Steven Seagal Fan. Look when he was living in Brazil he would wash those movies as a kid like we all did. I did as well I did. Yeah I watched above the law. I fucking loved it. Well the guy's a huge movie star right Anderson Silva grow so when he says he wants to train with Amazon. And it's like sure for sure. Come on teach me things So he let Steven. Seagal be with him in training camp he let Steven Seagal within backstage. He Steven Seagal showing him how to throw a front kick so when he front kicks Vitor Belfort in the face like Stevens galls like I taught him out throw that kick. I told him I told him you throw that kick when it's not. I kick you learn in martial arts. It's so crazy. He said that he he was taking credit. For Leo Machida landing it on Ranco tour. He's like I told them if you throw that into land. Oh you just knew if you throw it in the land. Why doesn't it? Why don't you just tell that to everybody throat it'll end? What is karate kid the fucking talking to you about? I worry about people like that. God dammit he was really good at Akito though legitimate. What does that mean though? But that's nothing about well to preface that if a guy's coming at you with a sword and he doesn't know you know Akito you could do some stuff like Kito is. It is absolutely a legit martial art that was created to disarm people with sticks and knives and and people that have sorts so the ideas of a Samurai loses his sword. And someone's coming at you. You can take advantage of the fact they're over committing to a thrust or a swing and then you get to their body manipulate it and use that energy and thrown to the ground. Everything you just said makes sense. Yeah it's the sixteen. Hundreds of those one is developed. Yeah Yeah Okay can after you the sword. Nah Not yet me either God damn it. I wish they would just in case. Yeah but okay. So since we're out of the copper age what the fuck. It's not a good martial art if you know martial arts if someone knows martial arts would they would basically do first of all if someone just knows more tie they would. Just take your fucking legs apart. They'll just chop at your legs push you away. Chopper your legs and if you clinch with them. They're so used to sweeps. And so you know one of the beautiful things about ties though the ability to make guys in the sweeps and throws so you're not gonna get them off with some crazy nonsense where you're gonNA grab their wrist. Bennett down and all the shit that he does. The movies won't work on 'EM WHITE GUY. It definitely won't work on a fucking wrestler a wrestler. You try to some Aikido Shit. Arrest would probably hope that you are Aikido. It'd be so happy that I I actually talked to a guy about this and it was the most hilarious thing because one of the things that people would always say like back in the day when I going mixed martial arts forums. They would say off. He tried that. Shit on me. I just sidestep him and it was a joke and it was a joke. Because that's what like people that don't know fucking thing about martial arts? Think they would do if you came at him. Coming meteorologist sidestep you morons have said that so we would say that as a joke shouldn't just sidestep that was like an inside joke so. I'm actually talking to these aikido Guy who's GonNa keep a master and we're talking about wrestling and I go. Would you like some college? Wrestler was was coming after you go to him. He was dead serious and I was like. Oh my God you don't even know he just did it. I was laughing so hard and he was like what is so funny. I go. You don't even know what you just did. He just did is what everybody who is hopelessly lost. An actual altercation says before Al Assad up. No you wouldn't know you when you don't think you can change change fucking angles the tax that you are helpless if an NC double A. All American. Oh grabs a hold on you. Oh you experienced that kind of physical fucking strength and the ability to manipulate bodies or the speed with which Jesus especially some Real Li top of the food chain Jordan burroughs type character like good Lord some Mark Schultz in his prime to grab hold of you and drive you through fuck and China right to the core of the earth. I think that if you had that background you'd wear sign around your neck. You almost see it on them but late. You know you'll see I've heard horror stories of people starting Jujitsu with that background and they show up there. Wipe out but they get crazy cauliflower ears and people are like what's going on over there you need to wear sign. Well they feel like would like that's the thing you start rolling with a guy like what are you made out of wood? They they're so fucking dense like the the kind of muscles that you get from manipulating bodies our whole life and some of these fuck heads have been in like wrestling camp. They're five and here there on the twenty four and they'll are costing I'm going to start going may turn out Ju Jitsu. Their next starts at the top of their head goes down to forty degree angle. They grab hold of you. And it's like I guess when you're done with that I'd like to have it back when you have si come back. Well we have a fight next weekend. I'm flying Jacksonville. Is this that wasn't going to be on some mysterious island right? I did guys up. -posedly that Ireland's real all right. It's not going to happen. There right. Not Discard the islands for international cards. Will there be an audience at the one you're going to know. How do you think that Cam campaigns wanted to come with me and I was trying to get them coming he could not come? They would not let him come with me really They have to limit the amount of people in the arena. They have to limit the amount of people in the corners I'm going to be doing with Daniel. Cormier the commentary and Jon Anik and I don't even think we could be anywhere near each other. Can you be near the ring? Yes okay right next to L. But they might put you guys on different sides. We'll probably you know it's an octagon so we'll probably being different sides of eight eight corners. How do you think that'll be for the fighters I mean having never heard? Yeah don't you think I mean? Do they feed you? Feel them feeding off of the crowd or for sure although the last event that they did they did like that from Brazil from Brasilia Brazil. That was the Charles Oliveira Kevin. Leafy and there was. No crowd was very interesting. Yeah there's got to be surreal experience for those guys actually. I think I saw a clip that you could hear the the man of the octagon much more than you normally would. Yeah you hear everything you hear everything you hear the the the corners. You're all the instruction and Gilbert Burns knocked out Damian Maya and when he knocked out Damian Maya. He's yelling in an empty arena. Screamin out. It's like wow. That's so weird. It's a weird. Hear him yell that out in an echo through this empty arena. I wonder how long it'll be before they will let people back in their depends on where in it depends on what happens right now with Georgia because Georgia's opening ship back up. It depends what happens in Florida because he could come to Montana. But I don't think there's any arenas well do we really need an arena. I mean if we can get a two thousand seat theater put it Octagon. Theatre. It'd be great. I mean I don't know about the theater scene in Montana but I don't think there's a two thousand seat theater there I think there is in billings. Billions the big city man. I had this conversation not too long ago. What's the biggest city I think it is? It's it's either billings Missoula oh so bozeman third Bozeman third-place the St- the largest cities that I know of our billings. Bozeman Butte Helena. Missoula CAL spilling waifish. Those think billings is the big one. It might be a think but big one in relative terms. We're talking about the population of probably three square blocks from where we're sitting right now. Yeah there's a million people in the whole state right that's not under solters. One million seven thousand pizza. Oh extra hour. Getting up there It's getting big and I'm not allowed to say that because I'm like I said I'm a Kelly transplant. So yeah you can't do. They accept you. How many years you have to be there before your forty I think. Do you have a Montana license plate in your car. Your license plate Montana licensed says the first thing I did because it was the gateway to conceal carry permit six months of residents and You know the laws are different with guns up there. You purchase takes about five minutes Any leave with it really. Yeah yeah well. They kept all the gun. Stores Open During this here and there what are your thoughts on the number of people standing in line for guns who weeks before would have probably had an issue at the Second Amendment Fucking Hilarious? Yeah it was hilarious having conversations with my friends about it. We're all of a sudden my my friend. Alonzo Boat News just here before. Never had a gun in his life now. He has to bought them because of this hit he goes well. What happened to me was the purge went from being a movie to a fucking reality show and I'm like all right I get it. Promise the waiting period will also the problem is they? Were all talking shit about guns just before that. Did he buy AMMO with the gun? I believe he did he but hopefully five excuse me. He bought a forty five. Any I don't have the cove it by the way I've been tested. That's seasonal allergies and colds still exists. The flu they don't take marijuana I think this is my take on it is. I think it's good. That people realize that there's a thin layer to this civilization thing and that it can be punctured really quickly and so when all those people were in line waiting for gone so like okay. Maybe maybe we won't have to hear too much stupid shit from people that are generally generally left leaning about how you don't need guns anymore. I don't WanNa hear that. Shit because now that I see these lines I know a lot of you. Folks are Democrats in fact one of my best friends is about as liberal as can be in. His wife is a fucking super hippy. She's like you're never bringing a gun into this house. Boom Shit goes down. Get A gun. You need to get a gun. She tells him to get a gun immediately. Naughty use it. Oh he doesn't know fucking thing about. That is actually probably more unsafe than you know like. That's guns I say. He shotguns news a kid that that's D- thinking of a different guy shotguns. News a kid so he knows a little bit about. He's not trained People think that guns just instantaneously solve problems I'd got I described Harry Potter. Want you know. They think they can just look at you know Elixir. Or whatever the hell they say inherit it. Introduces more problems than people think. Oh yeah it having a gun in the house? Well here's where they have been standing in line after purchasing their gun at the store that sells a safe. Yeah because if you don't have somewhere to store it right like oh it's for my protection like yeah it's designed to kill though and anybody who says that guns are designed to protect as being intellectually dishonest. They protect by killing or the threat of killing. And you can say that without weakening your argument for having them but maybe treat like that. Yeah but the way you're saying it scares people that don't like reality. I don't know how to say it any other way shouldn't shouldn't that's part of your appeal but that saying that to some people like. I've said things like that to some people and they look at you like you're fucking caveman but I already have that problem anyway. You know you did is what it is and if you don't know that the world has terrible people in it. I don't know if I could tell you that in a way that's GonNa make you believe it and convince you almost have to see that things can fall apart. Yeah which is unfortunate because not everybody comes out of that okay but yeah I think Man I think we're getting a real good. Look at how mentally tough. Some people are in comparison to what they thought how resilient they are. Oh yeah people are getting pushed up to a metaphorical edge or little edge. Whatever that might be for them and It's interesting times for sure. Talked to my wife about this. Some of her Not Friends but people that she knows from school like some people like they're not handling this well. I think a lot of people are not handling now. A lot of people. A lot of people are really clamping. Up and panicking. It's a lot of people have never experienced. Not only are they never experienced real adversity. They'd never thought it was common. They didn't think it was even a possible item on the menu. And then all of a sudden you yours no toilet paper. There's only one package of ground meat. My friends have that to me. He goes to. I went to the supermarket and there was one package of ground meat left. That's it I go to get it. I was GONNA say did he bought it but I go. Listen you come here man. I got a shot to elk last year hundred pounds with the House. I give so much meat out to people if you can get one elga year. You're pretty good. You could kinda eat that thing for a whole year with a small family. Oh for sure. Yeah it's where I live. So I live south of Calico by bit. I live in my house on twenty acres that overlooks at Lake. That I take picture so nice. Why just chopped down a bunch of trees to improve the view? But I have. I have everything that I need out there so I don't need to actually go into town to experience a lot of what's going on. It's very bizarre to sit there and think about where I am and how things are going for me and then places like New York where you get nine million people stacked on top of each no food. What's even just driving around. It's amazing how fast I forgot how compressed everything is here and how preposterous it is. Oh for sure whenever I go somewhere. That's not preposterous. And then I come here and I'm like what am I doing? I think ultimately the I'll I'll definitely Bale Bale fulltime or part-time ultimately fulltime but part time. Like I could just keep my house or keep apartment or something like that here for. I mean if I ever needed to come here for business reasons this all dependent upon what happens. Stand up comedy because this state is so goofy like this. The governor got shot down. He was trying to shut all the beaches down but he got shot down today and we were talking about that earlier that there were other flirting with people legitimately protesting and probably just saying no fucking. We're going to do we're going to do. They're flirting with violent the constitution. I mean that's also what they're doing you know it's like you're denying people choice. You're saying that you know better and I don't think you do and and I also think that what you're saying doesn't line up with statistics if you look at the statistics of what is what is the percentage of people that are dying that get it and it is very small. It's still awful. The people die. It's still terrible that your grandma. We still have to protect the sick. We still have to protect the week. We still have to protect the old. However you can't tell me what to do and you you are not my dad. And you're not the emperor your fucking governor and so if you think you could tell. People can't go to the beach when their ten feet apart from each other. You think some magical fucking properties can allow all these people to get sick and bring it home and transfer it. You're saying that they're not smart enough to do that. But yet you're also saying they're they're they're smart enough to drive the responsible enough to drive and drank. Do all these different than guns guns. But they're not responsible enough to sit down on the beach. Ten foot ten feet apart from the neighbor. I don't think you know what the fuck you're talking about. I don't like it. I don't like it and I'm not buying any of this tracking shit if they come into this fucking this this tracking software. They're talking about where they're they're you know your Kovic free. We just need to mark your phone ringing everywhere you go and every time you come to a checkpoint bring your phone like they have the ability to do that right. They have the ability to do that. But widespread implementation of it will not be accepted. It will only be accepted if you could have some fucking reason. You're over Joe. You're such a sweetheart you think it'll be. I think they've been doing it for years. I mean I mean if you think he will bring their phone everywhere. You don't have to have to make people bring their phone. They're they're addicted to it anyway. I think the here's the thing. There's a big thing being addicted and have to in China. You have to bring your phone everywhere if you do not bring your phone everywhere and show that you're clear you're not getting anywhere. They're talking about implementing a similar strategy. Here they also talking about how they did that. In South Korea South Korea said we are going to give up some of our rights our privacy and protect ourselves. I say fuck you yeah. I didn't know that they were going to force people to bring their phones. My point was they've had the ability and I bet you they have been accessing data from people's devices like that the connection the proximity all the stuff that the sensors are able to do phone for a long time. I'm sure they have unsure they. I'm sure they probably with the testing this. Probably some way they could flip a switch and put some information into a database and they'd know who's got it and who doesn't where they are and where they're going. Hey this guy turned positive and look his fucking phone is all the way over here in downtown. La when he lives in Pasadena houses houses happening. Yeah that's that's possible. The news is trip and people to watch people who are obsessed over that The Corona virus pandemic tracker on Fox News it lists the number of cases but in but people will watch it and I wanNA scream at him like do you understand that the information that comes in informs how you behave and how you think of the world and like ninety percent of the shit that you're looking at his negative it's negative negative negative negative that and it's not helping you make any decisions and by the way that numbers never going to go down. Can we agree on that is going to keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger? How is that helping? You live your life and you look at these fucking models like Dr Pita Tia. I know him. Yeah wrote a blog. Post it basically reframed how he felt like a month ago and he and he broke down the math that they're using for these projections and in he changed one of the digits by a tenth of a percent and it was changing the outcome by millions. And they're not even sure where the actual integer is for that. I think it was the number of people that sick person can potentially infect like two point three or something like that he put it in like two point four increases it by like two to three X. If you put it at point one less dry like so. These models are like shock and blast all over the place and nobody knows because I don't think we know no I don't think we know either and what we do know is that there's way more people that have been infected than they ever previously thought yet. And that's what they're finding out from these antibody tests and they're like Oh my God. This is way more prevalent. We didn't really stop it at all and it turns out a lot of people get it. Nothing happens a lot like more than half. Get it. And they don't even have a symptom which is a weird that is deserved. It's the weirdest fucking disease ever visit a disease or virus virus. Okay does it turn into a disease? I mean I guess. Pneumonia Disease Right. I don't know I haven't heard people talking about that in both terms. I didn't know which was actually the correct. Well no heart disease and Lung Disease Him. Most certainly come from this. There's people that have developed heart disease because of this heart attacks because this lot of strokes it's weird it. It's so different in different people in different with different blood types. You know I don't Montana's not sucking during this time the color on the map of Montana's good. Yeah call the hot spots. Yeah they're they`re. It's certainly it even in the flight. I think they said there was fifty cases as Larry's yeah. I think there's been four. Everybody walked it off and kept farming and I got. I don't feel well Feed the horses. Yeah Man. That's the life that's a life that everybody like with the way you when you show those pictures off your back balcony. That is That's what everybody wants. Everybody wants it house by a lake. That really is the life because if you can get that like every day like everything else it'd be better if you're if you're fucking apartment you looking out into a parking lot and there's a car with no tire and fucking some bums yellen another bomb and that's your life. That's not as good unless you're incredibly social person. It works well for me. Because social distancing is one of my favorite activities your social to social to the social with assholes. I yeah I think almost everybody is an asshole. So I'm only like me Nestle. Well there you go. I've heard it described. I'd rather be a mile a mile deep rather than an inch or has it. Oh I'm deeper rather than wide when it comes to my friends. Yeah that's that's a good way to have a small group of people that I definitely enjoy being social with but I also would not mind ever not talking to anybody other than those people. It'd be okay but I know people the opposite of that. They need like fifty x the social action that I do you. Also a person who has these people in your life and your circle that you guys have this one unusual thing in common with of course you have your Jitsu. People has very unusual world. You have your wing Sue. People vary a normal world normal and you have the seal people very unusual world so like the circles that you travelin. Also those three circles are all filled with extraordinary human beings like you. You can't be a normal person and be a seal. You can't be a normal person to be a wing suit world record-holder he can't be a normal person acceler. Jujitsu most people quit. They're not interested in getting their fucking neck strangled in their arms stretched in there fucking need bra behind their back and faulk that they quit. I'd say you could be normal. And all of those the farther you go the more de-select Vassals yes yes diesel extra people with flaws diesel extra people that have a distorted perception of reality de-select for people who can't learn you know people make excuses for things. Yeah yeah both huntings another one another really involved to very small circle especially the type. Abo- hunting the mountain elk hunting and shit like man. You GOTTA BE IN SHAPE. You gotta be driven me. Think about what it was last year when you I mean I remember the look of frustration on your face when we like day four day five and then you you realize like man. This is getting down to the FUCKING Y. Yeah assumed I was going to leave there without it so happy when you got so nice that when that Arrow slammed in and you eventually recover. That must've been the best feeling ever. The best feeling ever is when I crested the two foot rise that had separated in the ball hit the ground and I saw the glow of the highest. I think God kinda sing off the Gut Feeling. I just hung that euro up last week actually nine Johnny Utah. Little point break also desert action. Nice God I'm all about European mounts to I don't like those regular mount. I don't like them at all. I love the look of clean European Mount. Well it's also the real animal. It's not a fucking toy like those fake is and the fake nose and stretched over a piece of foam. Like what are we 'cause playing a live animal here like what is that? I wonder if they could do that with the human they definitely could but would look real life. Well my friend Whitney has a robot is heard US talk special. Yeah it was really weird. It looks a lot like her but I mean it's also not a million dollar robot like they do a million dollar robot. I bet they could make it look just like you like those wax figures ever been one of those wax museums. Seen Him from pictures. Fake and make it look so much like the person. That's bizarre like it takes a little bit of time to look at the picture and determine who's real and who's yeah they can do that with you. I would just WanNa fuck with people man. Yeah perfect opportunity to scare the shit out of people full if you were the type of person that Yeah Yeah I mean I mean I think in the future there's GonNa be no stopping people from making artificial people. There's GonNa be a version of you hanging around that's not you? I'm one hundred percent convinced of that. Like in our lifetime. He said yes. Imagine listen to this. Imagine you're married to a gal and you think she's hot but she's annoying and so You have her constructed. You have a robot version of her. You break up with her and you keep fucking the robot. That looks exactly like her. I mean exact. Feels like her. But it's really nice. It's really sweet. And whatever you say Andy I love you Andy and she's you can't do that. You fuck illegal you talking about this is art. Should take it as a compliment. We're not compatible personality wise but I love to fuck you robot so I bought the robot kicks in this fucking Free Country your deep down mental rabbit hole that I'd never probably would have gone down myself. How many celebrities are going to have? Robots are fucking all day some celebrity like some Jennifer ask Scarlett Johansson model untouchable Alastair and some guys got her head in a vise. And you just and that's what she looks forward to every day. She puts herself in the Vic- cranks it with a smile. Oh God what was it? What does it do six MAGNA that movie? Yeah I watched that do. Sex is That's a different thing. That's actually a video game but ex mock you now is the yeah. I watched that movie after hearing you guys talk about one talk. That'll Donna fuck you up a little bit. That movie's good. Yeah it's very is good. That's a really really good movie. It's one of those movies where there's not a whole lot of cut the shit scenes bullshit in leading to programmers. The only cut that shit scene is the idea that this this guys out there doing this by himself. There were like listen. You would need a thousand people working on one one of those and you would need a thousand of the best minds in the world because this is not in some future era. This is all happening right now. There's no way that's so it's one of those things where it's like if you look at someone in a film that's doing some tactical asshole shut the fuck. Is this. You know that's how much I watch. Movies Dude yes people nuts but that's how people look at that movie. They'll you for me for someone like me so realistic but for them. It's not a fucking chance in hell. That guy's doing this himself we to cheer ourselves up last night after watching the cat fishing show. We watched the beginning of extraction with whatever the for his Chris. Hemsworth is bad enough. Fucking dumpster fire. Someone was just telling me it was great. I think it was Jamie. My producer was telling me it was great to talk to. Jamie after this. I'm sure it's great from a cinematic action perspective but I mean I was like I am going to bed about. I can't watch. I'm really excited for the Jacquard series. I'm really excited. What what he's going to be able to do haven't been able to listen to the episode but I was stoked to see the guys connected. That book is Great. Savage Sun is Great. I didn't read the other two yelling. I listened to it on tape. The third one rather read any of it. But it's amazing. Now that I'm on my podcast. Wise WE STARTED BUDDY. I have a repetitive lower. Back injury from carrying through fucking training has been horrendous. Senate carried him through his entire career and I'm told her than him he's a great guy. He's awesome he's a great guy he's a really exceptional person. And I I love what he did like. You really went into detail about how he dedicated himself to his writing. He basically to the same approach that he took to military career identical approach. Yeah just like do the work and do it right and bust his ass and he told the whole story of how he got it made and how he did it and it's it's amazing story. It's amazing it really is and it's really good. I mean I'm not just saying that because I love the guy. I think he's awesome. It's fucking great book ever at a two-day into those times talking on the Tom. I've had my podcasts. He's like I wanted to be two things in life. The seal in an author and all he did was put his nose grindstone. They people think it takes some incredible feat of intelligence or heroism or whatever to be like to be a seal specifically haven't a clue about being an author because I'm never reading a book but it's not you grind your ass off and if you don't quit at the end of the day you get a little metal pin that doesn't mean. Shit and the totality of things in the world and off you go. What's amazing about him is that he didn't go to school. To learn how to write your. He didn't take journalism courses or courses in literature. He just read a lot. I'm just always wanted to write that. I mean that's his style that enjoys reading that sort of action political comedy video or not comedy drama. Just like really good stuff like the way he writes is like you. Don't you see it all happened as he's describing it but it never makes you go? What why did he do that like? It's really really well thought out and it's probably more accurate than most people think. He put a lot of his personal experiences. I've known him like I said we started but together he was not mentally or physically strong enough to finish with my class which is fine but that's fine. It's the hardest pledge class ever on record in the history of training but He put a lot of his experiences in there. So what people are reading. They probably don't realize how accurate it is and a lot of. It is very accurate. And he'd fall he went to you know Russia to research and he put the time and effort in and shot a barren Russia. Talking about that on the podcast crafted the life that he was looking for. And you know people will look at that and you know the classic you know. Campaigns must be nice. You Know Dick Comment. I mean I've known him for a long time. His life is far from perfect. He's got some you know issues health issues with his family like it's not been roses for that guy. He was doing all of that stuff while working through in supporting like it's amazing what he's been able to do. Yeah he's a man of character and that really comes across in his writing. You know it's it's great stuff. I love that kind of film right and so I'm really excited about like if they can do something like that sort of thriller kind of drama but have it super accurate from a guy who actually lived that life and it's very exciting people won't wash it if it's super accurate but it's so good. The boring this is and this is why movies like extraction have fireballs everywhere and like Shit. People don't understand like it's not as it's really not as sexy as most people think but it is when thors doing us. Yeah but he didn't have his hammer. So it's Kinda weak shift and it was okay. It was goofy to yeah. He was wearing like fucking elbow pads from the one thousand. Nine hundred seventy Vietnam called and wanted his Cammo fucking pants back move. Detachable knee pads. It's like they've made clothing. The have those even the sycophants he's supposed to be some high speed operator and the reality is like if you sharpen that played enough we would you go on target and you don't say a word. There's no noises made it's it's so eerily quiet and it sucks because when we're training we do force on force drills and you're in there with your buddies doing that shit against you and all you can hear a little scary. It's worse than when they breached the doors and they use them like diversionary devices. It's fucking terrible. What's less realistic that or Steven seagal lawman? What's less realistic? Yeah in between extravagant extraction or Steven Seagal Longman Stephen School fiction in and of itself. Like it's a comedy right. Nope he actually got a job as a police officer. He was a police officer in Louisiana and see maybe that guy had an Anderson Silva sense of humor. Though is like fuck yeah will make you a cup. I don't think so. I think you know he's a big movie star and they'd be around. We'll how about the fact that people get arrested by Steven Seagal. There's a lot of scenes in that move that TV show. Where are you Steven? Seagal like he's he's he's handcuffed and these guys. Are you shitting? May I'm going to say Shit I'M GONNA say law man is more made up than extraction. Because I think they completely manicured the scenarios four Stephen because he's probably got the fucking Cardiova- an aunt right. He's like six five to eighty answer probably can go for days a toddler then he's got to build a toddler he's to stretch out over six five but I mean come on. I would love how he would arrest black people and talk to them. He would talk like he's from their neighbors their best. Because what's going on 'cause like you would literally take on their their their vernacular take on the way their accent and that's where we are as a society that we wanna be not there anymore. They need to bring it back. They canceled out about fifteen years ago. Will they chose that show canceled up? Fuck hopefully the day after it started. I think it did a few seasons. It did more than one. I don't I mean he's a reserve sheriff somewhere yea. He's a Legit Reserve. Which is insane because then you have. Hr TO A team which allows you to carry a firearm in all fifty states at trump's the concealed weapons laws really. Yeah you have to do is be a sheriff You have to be active or reserve. Law Enforcement was put into effect. I believe by Bush after nine eleven in an attempt to allow people in a law enforcement capacity to travel easier with their weapons. Hr to eighteen. Oh okay that makes sense. You had Ted nugent and he was talking about it. That's how he's able because California is not easy But if you have a valid law enforcement credential it can supersede that. Oh so that's how Ted could travel a gun it. Because I believe he specifically said he's a a deputy or reserve. Deputy somewhere might be good move. You live in a town where you know the Sheriff Bro. Yeah but I think there's some liabilities there and they might actually call you one day. I don't think that's going to happen. I would be the absolute worst comrades. Who who do we have a backup? Well Steven Seagal fuck it. We're going in. We'll have one person they have twenty. Fuck it we're going in. Which by the way is the opening scene of extraction no versus twenty without his hammer and he still comes out on spoil. Don't tell me that I was going to watch it all night. No don't there's only one movie or is it a series. I hope it's just a fucking trailer. I just hope it's the trailer how many Hollywood depictions there are just so off. And just they like they know better. They know how to make something. That's just it's because nobody wants to see it for real. They be like sitting here with their popcorn. And they're you know redneck guzzler diet coke ready to be watched it blow up and they're like well. How come these guys aren't talking on the radio blown up yet? There's movies eight hours old. I think the best targets that we ever did there was not a word. Said you just near job. You did your job. You'd have to say anything you read people's body language like you know people so well that I can tell their silhouette and how they move under night vision goggles from a distance. Has Anybody ever done an accurate depiction like what's the most accurate depiction? We're talking with Trevor about this too. I would say you have to combine movies so you have to have a little bit of the band of brothers for the Camaraderie. You know and the actually the band of brothers. Both the Pacific in European theater was great. It was awesome many aspects. Correct many Overly dramatized Black Hawk down. Pretty good when it comes to the the fog of war. The chaos of war opening scene of Saving Private Ryan fucking unbelievable. Yeah that's what everybody says. Yeah that's the one points to you. Know maybe even a little bit of like way back in the day some platoon action just kind of explaining the lunacy of warfare in even the war fighters had. They're like what the fuck doing here. Man I mean you WanNa see you know. I'm sure you've seen have you seen restrepo of only seen part of Sinoe documentary that well. I mean it's so it's a document was still meant for entertainment but non-fictional Restrepo probably knock your socks off But it's a combination of all those things no no one movie nails. It's not it's not a medium that you could unpack a career in two plus hours. It'd be impossible. He like a Lord of the rings thing you need one or two. Lord of the rings movies just to explain like the alcohol related incidents and the strippers in the number of divorces. What was that movie that they did with their their chick was calling all the shots and they were there there was the raid on Little Sama Bin Laden. Oh zero dark thirty. Yes Yup. Yeah that was taking a and then putting it on. Tv girls like when they're taking the less the direction from that girl. I was like that's not the issue that would never happen like that. There's so many things in that movie. That would never happen like that to include the entire fucking movie. Tell Greasy Hollywood fingers all over it. Just greasy producer and executive a buddy of mine. They flew out there to be a technical advisor for a little bit and they basically already decided what the scenes. We're going to be before he got there and he was like well. Where's craft services? I guess I'll go have a burrito like some day to work with these guys like you. Just do whatever the fuck you WANNA do. Nobody's GonNa know vote. That's funny yeah. I know a bunch of guys who were there that night and you talked him like it was like any other target. It's just it's it was nothing out of the ordinary is like we plan for it. We executed the plan. Guess what we crashed a helicopter but we had planned for that too so they executed the contingency plan in went about their day. Make sense yeah. I don't I can't imagine how they would get it right and less everyone involved including the execs. The p the people that are GonNa make the calls as far as how much money gets band or what gets approved. Everyone would have to either be a hundred percent on board. With what the veterans say or. Give all those jobs. Producer director writer. All those jobs be veterans. It'll be a terrible movie. We're not qualify for any of those you say that but if everyone's jacquard right if there's a jacquard director does a jacquard screenwriter. Everyone of that ilk but I think what you would find is that everybody has their if there was thirty people on target. You're actually going to get thirty versions of a story. There are going to be points. Were guys who are very experienced. And I make the point of saying their experience. Because your recollection of what happens increases as you spend time in that pond so guys who are very experienced. They're not getting emotionally attached. Anything that's happening or their decision making or that stuff and they have the ability to uptake process. Deliver and remember things that happen. You'll get into debriefs. No No. That's not what happened. It wasn't that corner. It was a different corner and so everybody has their own little version of what actually occurred to be really difficult to do. You can only imagine. Yeah I mean. Hollywood doesn't get anything right. That doesn't have to do with like moviemaking like they do a movie about making movies. Probably get a pretty accurate but every time they do a movie about anything else whether it's like did you say that movie warrior calendar was in it. Count actually played me. He actually played what Ya. You didn't know that no. Yeah it was never heard of. This movie gets terrible but it was Nick Nolte's in Tom Hardy's great in it. But the the movie so silly because this is what took me out of it they. They fight two nights in a row they fight and then they fight again the next day. I'm like do you have any idea? What the fuck you would look like. If you fought and tried to fight in your whole head would be swollen. You wouldn't be able to walk. You ever see those. I would run those guys in the morning on the way to the airport and then have sunglasses on and sunglasses be sitting a full inch off their face because everything is swollen. That's so common you get on a plane with the guys that have fought the night before and they're just so banged up the idea of them. Fighting that day again is so fucking ridiculous. Why don't they stay in a hotel room for a few days and chill? Sometimes they do some it on the airplane. The next day depends on where they live. Maybe they have a family. They WanNa come home to you know. It's a hard road. Man being fighters a hard road in. It's a short road. And you know a lot of them are gonNA come out of it with some pretty fucked and significant brain damage. And now there's a a good number of those guys who are GonNa come out of it and they're not gonNA know how to talk right anymore. I mean there's there's essence in elements of that in my career. Well SHORE IT'S A. It's an interesting thing. I The last few series of guests. I've had my podcast. Were very interested in the guy. Just had Mike Glover so he was a SF In people confuse this like you say special forces they think that is an over arching term. It actually means Green Beret. Special Operations is the umbrella ter- so here's an SF guy and got out and contacted for the agency nobody ever really calls at the agency. They just say Oh gee other government agencies and we talked for three hours about war and killing people and you know he brought ups. We went deep on the topic than I've ever gone before. And the week before that I had. Lieutenant Colonel Grossman who wrote the books on combat and on killing and I have a philosophical disagreement with the points that he makes in his books largely at least on specific things. It's interesting because he was an academic he was in the military for a career but never touched combat which is totally fine. I don't say that pejoratively at all. But he wrote a book and became a professor at West Point teaching a largely the psychology of killing in the after effects. And it's crazy because and never have done. I never know he never. He never experienced combat. So I it's but it's interesting because he gets some of it right and then some of the things. I have a very very deep philosophical disagreement and this is the same thing with the movies right. You gotta they get some of it right. And then you're like for the love of God. Why did you just put that in there? But it was crazy. Balance of having those two guests back to back the conversations were very very different. I can only imagine. I'M GONNA listen. I listen to your podcast all the time. I'm really glad you're doing it to you know I'm really glad that this space is opened up for guys like you and guys like Jaakko. Because I think there's There's an opportunity for folks like you express yourself with no oversight that never existed before where millions of people can listen to it which is really crazy being in all of human history. There's never been a time where soldiers can put out a podcast about war about military about discipline and Choco case about leadership. And you and not getting enough sleep. And wanting to get Alzheimer's he's never been a time like that. Where you got to hear it from that person without having to go through the fucking zero dark thirty director and producer and all that all the nonsense that's involved in most almost all other distribution of ideas you gotta go through all these people that Wanna put it on a network or people that want to put it on a station like that is what fucks everything up. And what you're able to do now what jockeys able to do now and you know and a few other guys out there that are doing it in the same space. You're able to do these podcasts. And Talk to these people with no one looking over your shoulder. No one telling you okay. Let's stop right here no one. Let's try that again. Andy I think the way you said it was wrong. There's no no no fucker you know. It's amazing it's It's been an interesting journey. I think of anatomy now for two me like just over two and a half years but when you first suggested I was like well. I'm like okay. Pretty good at podcasting. It might might probably take a little bit of that advice but I had no idea where I was going to go with it and I still don't and it's one of the most favorite thing is one of the most fun things that I do. Well you could tell that that's why it's so good you can tell you enjoy doing it. I'm fascinated by other people. I don't give a fuck about myself. I think I'm this. The highest functioning retard walking on the face of landed. I sit down with a guy like you know like glover and I didn't go through his pipeline and background. I never worked with the agency the way that he did or his experiences and I ended with the conclusion that their community and my community was defined by their similarities. Not by their differences and he was talking about is a crazy story. We were talking about the respect. We had for the people that we were fighting. People think that warfare should be framed in terms of hate. I actually think it should be framed in terms of love. And you know my killed this guy who was a Libyan fighter and kept his watch because he wanted to remember. How squared away? That dude was and how committed that. D- what he never wanted to forget it. While is crazy story we went. We blasted through like three hours and twenty minutes before I even realized how long it had been killer podcasts. Speaking of which it's thirty six vulcan. Let's docket get yelled out so we don't come home for dinner. Thanks brother appreciate your man.

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Episode 534 - Joe Rogan Got Paid

Ross Patterson Revolution!

1:09:35 hr | 2 months ago

Episode 534 - Joe Rogan Got Paid

"It gentlemen who come to the rocks news by go spent dot com off. I told you sneeze the ground but you did it any way you dirty. That was not what I was thinking. Wasn't that was not in my head. What were you thinking boom boom? Bang all over you doing that today. Bang Bang I'm GonNa say this is a husband loving father and friend get a little something like that other one side it. Would you have nice little breakfast? Burrito like a rap. Oh yeah from where port city Java. Now I WANNA say where it was from. Whoops Z boy. You just don't care anymore. We've it who gives a shit where people now people living around world brother living in our own. Change my mind because ship James I WANNA I wanNA start off the top of the show here with Some Bragar of a new so like Braggart Prank News. I don't know if that's the thing. Maybe we should call it Banger. News instead of breaking news. Banger News I get a ton of messages last night. We discussed a little bit on drinking browse podcasts. Last night about Joe Rogan's new deal with spotify and I said we would address here. Here's what happened. Joe Rogan kind of I don't WanNa say abruptly but what four forty five Giorgio somewhere. There came on very quick video and there was about forty eight seconds just said hey guys. Switching to spotify exclusively all my video content and all my audio will be there and hope you join me thinking. It'll be fun and everything's going and it was. Where was this message? What on Instagram? Yeah it was on his instagram and then that got shared to youtube on his clips channel and I was just like whoo that was super cash for Forty eight seconds for what you've been doing for the last eleven years Obviously we're huge fans of Joe Rogan and to me. He was one of the first comedians to make a jump. That was in my vein of humor. I guess you'll say now. Look I Howard. Stern's been doing it for many many years but he still is on terrestrial radio right. Yeah and with that with with a Sirius. Xm Gaiger or even a normal local radio station gig. They have to all you've audition. They have to pay you. They have to do all this shit right. Rogin did none of that. He started his own show. And that was it and the reason why I'm comparing kind of myself to him is he says faulk the drinks on air he you know even with drinking bros. Dan Smokes weed on air. Very similar. Like You know and. I didn't know if that would fly on Youtube. It's seemed to because his numbers were seemingly massive on their into the millions Per Show but lately I thought they could have been higher. I was surprised by some of the numbers we modeled our media company after your mom's house right where it's a lot of our friends We have podcast under the same network. Were on the channel on Youtube and your mom's house has been complaining lately about the censorship on Youtube as well of like. Hey man this is. This is too much like I don't understand. We're getting flagged for its language. It's not like you're showing nudity or anything else Blah Blah Blah Rogan in the past bitched about a couple of videos getting democratized We had Alex Jones on drinking. Bros and Alex told us on air that they stopped his video and Joe. Rogan's like that that was going higher. Just hit a halt and same thing happened to us so when I saw this deal I thought to myself right. There is way way more to this than just. He's been kind of talking a little bit about videos. Being either flagged or taken down or D- monetize which when. He said that I was like they did that. To rogin like it. It felt like it was a little of a new thing for him. Where he's like yet fucking crazy like I've never had to deal with this ship before and You know he doesn't have a contract with youtube so if you fuck with him which it appears as if they did and he might leave. Youtube they pay people on the original side of things which is like the red tube or whatever it is right It's like what's what's the name that fucking thing to youtube red is what it's called. Red soups porn right. It is yeah back in the day. Little Red Tube Lube Tube Alcohol Red Tube and then an empty lube tube just to start off the mornings but Yeah Youtube Red was there. What is their pay platform? I would imagine somebody. Youtube are youtube. Premium it's eleven ninety nine month. Yeah change change a premium. That sounds way better. Let's face it. Yeah which is eleven ninety nine a month and he was adamant about streaming these for free like he wanted to do this for free. And so were we I I bet you YouTube. This is the guest. I think Youtube went to him and said hey man will back up the truck and pay you whatever you want but you gotta come behind the fucking pay paywall right of the eleven ninety nine and make people Alan or maybe they just were fucking with them. Both if he doesn't so he my guess is this didn't take that deal and they said No. I'll just stay on for free. And they were like great. We're GONNA start flagging your shit. And everything else is going to be treated like every other kind but trying to force his hand and the the reason why they could at the time is there isn't another video platform out there that is readily available. That is easy to pop up on on your smart. Tv's all that other shit. I have never personally watched a video on spotify in four years four years ago they tried this model out with a couple of youtube stars and Comedy Central and in a couple of other news channels like CBS CNN. Shit like that. I watched it but it was difficult to get to like. Spotify is not an APP. You go to four video so therefore trying to circumvent all of the steps was like Candy. Land to me where. I was just like man. I don't I don't have that kind of time to go through this. And trying to hunt and peck for things whereas Youtube is so easy to use that. It's like great by the third letter. You're into whatever keyword you are and you got ninety videos. What you're looking for spotify is not set up like that neither is via either Videos another streaming platform I think when spotify approach Rogan. And they said look we will not only back up the truck but we want all your video to and we will make it easy for you. You can do and say whatever you want and then we don't give a shit you're not gonna get censored for anything and you're not going to be behind a paywall go nuts do whatever you want. I think that was probably the final Straw for him where he was like. Oh Shit tell me how easy. The APP is to us Because I think his back catalogue is what is it. What would you reckon fifteen hundred episodes sixteen hundred episodes? Yes somewhere in there I think I think he probably had meetings with him. Look if you can figure out a way to make this easy and accessible as youtube is I'm in dude if you're not going to censor me and I don't have to deal with this shit We've been going through the ship for fucking years with Youtube. Right now and we got shadow band we have been in. It's like by the Hammer. The length buttons. So don't go to the fucking top of the Algorithm. If you're watching right now live on Youtube. We've been shadow band. And the things that we get flagged for behind the scenes. I don't know that one of our videos is fully monetize at all if you were to look at the back end of our thing and this is fucking full disclosure to the audience right. Ross Patterson Revolution has two million right around two million audio listeners. Drinking rose podcasts. Has Right around fucking nine nine point two somewhere there million listeners. We have fucking forty five thousand subscribers on Youtube. Those numbers don't match up. Everybody says the same thing then when you go live. It is hard to find. Even though I'm subscribed to you just to find your shit is hard to find. We've had to hire a youtube guy behind the scenes wally. We'll give wally shout out that our producer. Alec talks to twice a week to try to figure out there fucking algorithms all this stupid shit. One of the things that we actually took from Rogin was stupid. Green box unlike clips right. The clips channel is going to remain on on Youtube for Rogin But the full videos are going to be exclusive on spotify and so is the audio but if you look on the clip videos there's a like a Green Line like around people's faces or whatever. The hot topic is of the day and Shit like that. It was something that Youtube sent out to us like his creators. And just said hey you need to do this to stand out more? You Flash Your thumbnails again and do this fucking do this. We've gone through so many Goddamn hoops with all of this shit's for no reason whatsoever. And we did it in the model of Rogin. So if Joe Rogan. Who has the biggest podcasts on? The face of the fucking planet had to go to these stupid hoops of putting a a Shitty Lime Green Line around a box figure of you know Pizza Hut or Papa John or whoever whoever's making fun of or whatever that day like we had to do it too and it's like he shouldn't have to do that. He's Joe Fucking Rogan. The biggest podcasts on the planet. That's should be one of your flagship programs that you're promoting without censorship and without all this stupid shit going on in the background. I know your mom's house is fed up with it as well. Most of the messages we got last night were this. Hey guys. Would you consider doing this now? That Rogan is done it. The simplest answer and most emphatic is. Yes like one hundred percent if they didn't censor and all this other shit like the same deal that Rogin got. I see for as much money. We don't have the listeners that he has. I think I read last night. Like he's one hundred twenty million downloads a month or something. I think across our media company where somewhere in the fourteen to fifteen million range across all the shows across the media company. And it's like yeah. We're we're doing great for you know. Being three or four years old at this point during roses is longer were heading into our fifth year with that but all the rest of the shows are pretty much three three years or younger. We're on pace. We're on pace for all of those numbers We can't get there and achieved like the the big big big boy status if you will if we don't flip these youtube numbers and get this subscribers up because video drives audio hence for spending so much money on it Here's another thing. That's full disclosure to the audience are total. Bring home money and I'm looking at right right here on the on the back end of Youtube for all of these shows on the back end is three hundred seventy three dollars a month so with the fuck and four Thousand Square foot studio employees producers. All this shit like the quality of this is amazing. We the same cameras that Goddamn CNN has all that shit right. Three hundred seventy three dollars a month youtube paces because we're D- monetize because some of our we say the word fuck and some of our content is aggressive lake. Fuck you dude like we're bringing in more eyeballs than most the other shit like if you don't want high production quality shit that's fine if you want all child shit that's fine but then separated don't have an algorithm doesn't make any sense to me so him jumping ship yes. The user on spotify is easy. Shit whenever I go there for podcasts. It's one click and they've already colorized for you and they put it pretty background on there. Have you seen your show during a brats on on spotify? It's gorgeous? They did they do that on their own. We have nothing to do with that other than the the little circle whole of of our beautiful little faces. It's always do and they did the rest of it. It's colored US press the button. It's easy it is up when we put the audio show and we click. It is up on spotify five seconds. I tunes your fucking scraping along refreshing and trying to see if it's there spotify doesn't have those issues so yeah. I'd be more than happy to get out of there. And here's the other part with. Is they have their own shows. That of their favorites they're shows that are ranked ahead of us in the charts. Have nowhere near the fucking numbers we do. But they've got some deal worked out along the way with some celebrity or some fucking media company and There is no way in. There's no word to contact. You're going through a robot I've never talked to a human at I tunes before not once and we've had some issues in the past. There was a duplicate feed on drinking. Bros for close to two goddamn years that went on with lawyers and finally you know some they were able to prove that we own the copyright and they were able to take it down and all that Shit. There wasn't one human I could possibly talk to and all of this And my point to tell everybody this is if a deal. Spotify comes around and there's no censorship involve and he's getting completes creative control Which is what borstal has as well When they got fully financed on the back end of their their deals they did one separately with churning group and then they did one afterwards with a pen gambling. A full creative control. They can do whatever the fuck they want. Which is why I love Dave Portnoy. We talked about caller daddy yesterday the day before whenever it was that is exactly what we're looking for because the play these fucking bullshit games with youtube right now is crazy to me with this many listeners that we have and all we're trying to do is get more of our friends on with bigger shows and all this other shit but it's hard when you go out and say we got forty five thousand subscribers on youtube why not more. Your production looks amazing. Your wife is hot. Her Co host is hot. I don't understand like you would figure people would even Click Bait Shit which is go to your show alone just for hot. The two of you guys are. That's not happening because you can't find it is there's some weird fucking algorithm where they'd rather show you some guy showing you how to put a tricycle together that you bought off. Amazon from Sweden. Like I don't understand it but I know you're all in I'm all in and we wanted to tell you guys because I got flooded with messages last night with this and it was like yes. I would love to go there. And if you had a one stop shop for audio and video which I tunes tried for a while because we had our our Ross pollution videos on itunes an option through pod mean that we put our videos up there. Remember that and I'm assuming spotify is GonNa have the same thing where you click it on. It's like hey you wanNA watch the video you WanNa just listen to the Audio. That would be amazing to me. And then we could get rid of the tyranny of items and the tyranny of fucking youtube and it would be great and hopefully this is the future because right now we're stock youtube like nowhere else to go helpfully. Spotify solves this and If they were interested in Rogan's back catalogue fifteen hundred were sitting on around eleven hundred video episodes as well We'd be happy to move on down the road and and do that We'll see what happens. We've had some buyout offers in the past Three of them were behind. Pay Walls which we will not do. We will not go behind a paywall. I don't believe in charging people for a fucking podcast advertisers. Pay For that. You know what I'm saying. We're grateful all we're asking. Hey go check out the advertisers and that's it but we'll see what happens The other three deals though were shitty and we don't want people to pay for podcasts. And we know some of our friends who've switched to to pay walls for podcasts and they fell off the face of the earth because it pissed off their audience and it was just like hey man. We've been listening to you for years now. You want us to pay the same price were paying for Netflix's for for podcast. Listen to free all these years. No I'm not GONNA do that. Rogan didn't do that either. So that's kind of where we're at with all of this and that's a huge rant. Start off the show. But we were flooded last night with these messages and Me personally in Jesse and drink and Bros. and everybody else. We are thrilled for Joe Rogan. That he did this because this is the first step in all right. Let's let's find other avenue yeah. Youtube is not the overlord no not anymore not after last night right and it's great and youtube hopefully seeing this And I'm sure this type of deal has been in the works for six months. This is how this shit works in Hollywood behind the scenes lawyers and everything else and bicker over every last God damn thing. You're finally allowed to say something right. And that's Kinda how this shit works. I'm sure that's going on for a while. But I guarantee you. Rogan's agent shout Youtube and said. Hey man you want to quit fucking around with the algorithm all other stupid shit making us put green boxes fucking shooting. Stars out of people's assholes to to get clicks like no dude. You know what you're getting with. Joe Rogan podcast. Getting our show like it's a podcast. You know what you're getting. I can't sex it up too much and have some guy in a thumbnail. That's you know. Stay on top of the ladder. Shit coming out of his S. Like I can't do that. I can't Stevo this to make you want to click on it so I'm happy this is happening in for any other. Podcast are out there. You should be too in the user face for spotify super fucking easy so yeah I know. That's a huge ran at the top. But that's kind of what we're going through and the reason I'm I'm telling you the honest truth about all this shit is right now. We have two hundred and ten people watching live now fucking crazy dude out of forty five thousand subscribers even that number's stupid And everybody's saying the same thing we're not getting notifications man we're subscribed we're not getting live notifications. It's very selective because we have so many shows and it's like fuck off dude so that's where we're at right now and hopefully this opens up a whole new world and then youtube changes I look you busy. It's already built in everybody else's TV if they come on and say. Hey we're GONNA do a kids channel in a late night channel ring do and say whatever the fuck you want monetize it equally in the algorithm fair to everyone. I entertain that for sure. It's already built in. Yeah bucket why? They don't have a late night. Channel is beyond me right now. Yeah I don't understand it You take a guy like Logan. Paul is pretty controversial You his videos even when he swears he's Honky it with like a doc noise and he's just like we we're we're still they're like yeah because kids watch him he's a grownup grown up man. He's what twenty seven years old look at Logan Paul's age grown up like that. That doesn't make any sense to me. but yeah that's that's That's where we got all your messages in were were amped about it And just know. Yeah if that deal presented itself you bet it'd be it'd be great. How are you today? James I'm good. Yeah yes look hot. Oh thank yeah. I like the brakes. I need my mother and twenty-five mother Athen hair did brother So I'm doing what I can with what I've got. Who May ask you? This is your salon being flooded. I think that's what has so. The person that does my hair is a friend. So you always feel. Kinda like you pay her. Yeah I don't know if I pay like full full pay I pay but so I feel kind of like I don't know feel bad asking or going asking. I don't feel bad about it. I think they feel freaked out. So then I feel freaked out about. Oh yes you got you got you like. We're opening because we have to but we still are a little bit worried and so I don't want to be like hey cool like are you wanna you. WanNa take a buddy like I don't know I don't know oil change saying there was like a recall on something that you're real oil changed both. I got my car. My aim is cleaned out. Okay makes it easier? That's a double drive thru type guy. Same Guy so what happens. Is He pops the hood. I got mine and then he goes in dipstick and east head POPs year Yup band right over right over the engine block. And then he goes in both in each growth right in the be all and then write my oil tank. Both of our diesel and there was a big place there was about sixty to seventy Workers in their mechanics in the in the back and I went and just picked up my car and I said thanks to sign the paperwork. Whatever and she was like Hey. Can you go back and tell my manager? That did a great job or whatever and it was like absolutely. I walked back through this mega like monster garage. Where these sixty or seventy mechanics. Were no mask no nothing. Not One single person wearing masks there at the dealership. Yeah I mean it's it's Chevy. It's not like you know amid Fiat or something where it's like. Oh these are all French. You know whatever Fiat is. What is yachts? Not a what is it Alec? Yeah and it's not a super nice place. Let's think of something else Alpha male. Yeah you sound like the Super Mario Brothers. Back in the. It's not like we're mini cooper. Anything it's miniature cooper by the way but Y- I'm not a big car guy. Hey Gimme that truck great. Let's do it sure. When does it needs to do the thing sweet? I'll take it in? Nobody's wearing masks. Nobody was I got no hand. Sanitizer got no nothing. They shook my hand afterwards. Sheriff like Fuck Yeah. Yeah that was. I felt back. I know yesterday on the show and I know yesterday on the show close to me bitched about it where I was like with the dirty where I was like. Hey man it takes you a second in your mind to get back into it. I was into today. The shit up shook a hand. Yeah didn't watch it. Yeah came right in here. Might touch my a little bit. Put some lotion body your body lotion in the basket and get going. Yeah well we're close. I mean it's a couple days so it should start to feel should start to feel normal. I think so. But are DICKHEAD governor. Here Roy Cooper that piece shit still has not said he he said mid week last week. I still have to announce if we're going to open up on Friday. Therefore that's why all the restaurants didn't know and that's what you're him doesn't know well because he said the twenty second and it is possible. Always possible or any governor which others have Lake California August so once California pushed to August is when we were unsure about the date. That seemed so sure a long time ago. New York opened up in June. So it's like hey man from York did it fuck. Everybody like. We're good so they put what June jurors. Yeah so they're they're coming back in June. And if if our DICKHEAD governor of the state just comes back and says we need another ten days lockdown. Yeah they're GONNA fucking burn. The governor's mansion to the ground. And I think he he must know that he does so he said in his statement he said look. I've been getting death threats. And all this other shit and he goes. I just need you to be patient with me. And this decision to save lives and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and. They're announcing at two today at two o'clock today if it goes down man dino openness data I want to do Caitlyn panties off you GonNa do if they open up where you going. Four letters. One Word R. I O. T. RIOTS. I go to the governor's mansion. I burn it down when they open. Oh what's it? When they open. They opened the twenty second. They don't push it back what he is doing Hopefully babysitter from the grandparents. Winky winky and then I'd like to go to a restaurant and a bar and have a fucking meal and a drink like a goddamn gentleman. Put a little pep in my step something you know what I'm saying like I want to get out share. I'M GONNA go meet the people. Press the flesh. Yeah it's GonNa be weird though wag the doll warn you. It's going to be weird. Not For me. Yeah so you need to like put your blinders on because it's just gonNA be fucking weird and people are gonNA be weird. There's going to be the news. I'm sure is going to be downtown. Filming people close together. No mass look at this couple in. Its US behind them. I to Dick's out. Oh jacking off to dues in one alcoholic drink. Okay Yeah Yeah Okay. Yeah. Yeah and so. That's behind the WCTC. As they're saying people are standing so close together blatant disregard newsletter having fun of their appeal. I'd I'd go right up to the reporter. Who was filming live at the eleven o'clock news because let's face it. That's what time won't be down there you know. And they'll be like. Did you feel comfortable coming out of the quarantine with no mascot? I just exist squeeze hugger. I've never felt closer. People Malkin lighting bidding face. Gene Simmons Style Macho man savage style. Maybe one of these. Oh that is the night that I need that kind of stuff walking with a reporter dim rex alcohol. Yes being in trouble but not really being in trouble mean lying. We're doing something wrong by literally walking close to somebody. That's the kind of mischievous nece. I need our dicks soft. Ramdan actually like to break the rules except for when the rules are dumb. Yeah except when the rules need to be broken frowned upon. Yeah if it's an actual rule Widely known everybody knows. I don't like to break those. But if it's just like people are upon you and we're all divided and some people are scared and some people aren't those kind of rules. I would love to break. I would like to get so drunk to rip a stop sign out of the ground. Bash it through my windshield. Call the next morning the cops have them file a police report and then call my insurance company and said it'd be crazy. Somebody smashed through my windshield. It just got too crazy with the fucking understand. I just feel bad for those people that are like on a patio. They finally just got out there drinking hanging out. And it's the fucking news without bright light on them like Bro. Yeah and they're like the the thing that they're showing. Take your camera outside or get the fuck off the stage. Yeah that's what I would say live on air and Dick's for her bay because we are seven days out from the anniversary of his death so need to remind. The people true need to remind the people that harambee would've loved going out the day after quarantine you know what I'm saying. Oh that would've really. He would have really loved it. Oh my gosh just on a little leash yeah without work guerrilla a little leash eighty leash no rolling cage. You're going to need some form of rope like a midshipmen's knots or something to to really kinda bondage sit. It's a really wrangling back. You know tied around his waist anyways he would've loved that kind of stuff he always has or appear Harambee. We'll do attributes on you. Were definitely yeah. It is said you know it hurts inside. I feel a little bit like Ryan seacrest to be honest with you. So have you heard this? The Ryan seacrest drama so apparently on American idol. This is why I really wanted a video up which cannot do yet. But on American idol the last show Everyone is saying that he had a stroke. Essentially at the end of. Oh No really the reps are saying he didn't but if you know Ryan seacrest like you actually do and we have seen him forever so he was doing this at home the announcing of the winners and his if you watch the footage you'll be like Oh shit I was like okay. He's tired whatever so his eyes. So one of his is so small he looks really different. He's like holding himself up he slurring and but held it together. So here's what I have to say if he did have a stroke. There's only one maybe two people you being the other. That could make it to the end of the broadcast while you had a stroke. Correct mini stroke. It's not anything that's like. It was just like shadow doubles. He had to hold himself up like this. It was a very awkward thing he was like not able to. It was real weird weird and when you hear about it you go like Oh. Jeez like was he tired. Was He drunk? Whatever but when you watch it through the Lens of everyone in the comments and his rep and him having to say and they said Specifically Ryan Creek. Seacrest did not have a stroke. Now if he didn't have something else happen you say you would say Ryan seacrest his fine. You guys we No medical issue for the concern. But you know he's doing a lot of stuff he was very tired or he had a drink or something. But they're just literally saying Ryan. Seacrest did not have a stroke. It's so wild you brought this up to the Senate. Hearing about this story actually was a fucking superlight writing excited couple day. I haven't heard about it but here. Here's what's wild about this so my Our Son I would say mine our child. I was upstairs playing with him last night after work and the that dude perfect Documentary came on and so we started watching it. Here's the wildest thing about that. One of the twins dude perfect said it got to a breaking point where they all had real jobs and they couldn't no longer do dude perfect and the one twin was editing and staying up like these crazy late late hours and he said he had a fucking stroke and so he said he got a paralysis on half of his face and he goes that they had. He had camera footage of it and he goes. Here's the thing about when you're overworked. Stressed hired and you're doing too many things at once. Half of his face was pros so we moved like normal movements of his face upwards. His left side of his face didn't move the rights I did and it was trippy. Shit these said because he's a young guy too so it's still that way or he worked back it worked back way there's elements where it comes in and out. You want documentary on on Youtube. It sounds like the same thing where fuck man seacrest has nine hundred jobs killer. And he's doing them all from home in the little bit. What his rap was saying was like he's trying to balance like being at home with no support so he has to set up this thing to do all the stuff makeup whatever his life and do think it was something like six different shows. So He's like in. He's insane he always has been and he usually is able to like he always famously says like he's like me. You can have fun when you're dead Glee. Which is like he goes to if he goes to dinner with someone that has to be like five thirty or six no later he has to be home and UH sleep by nine or ten. If he's not traveling that night he has to take drugs to go to sleep in some to get up and all of these things and like he has his life routine out in this way so that he can do literally nine hundred things now. That eventually was going to come to some kind of breaking point but couple with having to do it from home. I think American idol was late so it was passed his little betty bedtime which we know how that goes right so I think there was a combination of things. I don't know if it was a stroke. What I will say is that he is at some kind of breaking point and he did not show his face show himself or actually respond himself for three days. But he's back now. He came back yesterday on Kelly and looked like the seacrest. We know okay so the same thing happened to the do perfect guy so it could be triggered by stress and all that other shit I would venture scary but I understand it so with all of his contract. Sorry but all of his contracts. He can't say yes stroke. I'm sure people like Whoa Dude. You're going to be able to do this. Triggers A medical close to because there's a is insurance clauses and all these contracts not a lot of people know that with Hollywood shit and they can terminate deals earlier and blah blah blah How so I know. I've told this story on the show before but the one night I was sitting next to him at dinner at a restaurant was the table over. Wasn't yeah parting with them right right. He was raging blackout drunk by Lake. Six thirty seven Some people I was at dinner with. We're like dude seacrest fucking going for it. You know laughing but it was in a like a hotel restaurant where there was only eight tables. I I think it was maybe one other table. And there's three tables total and I go men if you think about it like with his schedule when he asked to do all Goddamn Day. Yes this makes perfect sense. And he's probably going to be out of here by eight thirty or nine sure enough. You could set your clock to it. He walked out yet then was gone and whisked away in a car didn't drive. Somebody else drove him. He was gone and he probably went to bed because his schedule is aggressive in its funny. He's the only person out that I've ever seen were. No one has judged a person for being trashed because your leg. Oh Ryan seacrest works so hard. It's like yeah yeah. Did you see the video Alec? Oh you did so. There's people something happens. I saw it and people that did see it at the time. Maybe thought like. Oh this is a little bit weird but it was right at the end and it wasn't that long so you're kind of like all right fine and then somebody's winning. Yes he's holding himself up right really crazy. So that's what happens though. It's what happens and the other thing is like maybe not say over stroke but like say something like We're just so used to seeing him so put together. I mean he is the Modern Day Clark right like he is always put together. He looks great. He's rested he. Everything's put together so if you have a night like that right just say like it was laid. I had a drink if you don't want to say anything right but if you just say we're fine you're like fine but you're not like fine fine or I don't know if I was working that much absolutely one hundred percent and I was doing the show of the day which you know by like third or fourth show. I'm pretty much dead but like I'm sure maybe something like that would happen. But I'm not Ryan seacrest either like I don't hold it fucking together every time so I don't know Look he's a machine. His schedule is I know his schedule. It's it's brutal His schedule is he does a morning show for Indifferent snow syndicated. Yes so he records once for every all. These syndicated syndicated places. What is it star? Ninety eight or free fucking name of it is on Sirius. Xm Yet but it's the morning show so like dude. I think it starts at five thirty and I think it's like five thirty to ten five to ten or whatever it is and then he's off air so his day starts probably at three am Maybe to forty five somewhere in there Then he goes all he couldn't do it. No you're makeup for AL's ads just way too much. And then so after that show he goes and does Kelly Ryan Which is on camera as well. The other one is on camera as well by the way. Even the radio show is on campus. And it's just not as polished. He can be a little bit hand. But you still have guests. And it's the bookings and the ad reads and all that other shit like you know you still owe those at the end of the day. Whatever allies aren't inserts and Sunny? He does Kelly and Ryan after that right Probably goes over the segments for the next day film. Some teasers probably does the inserts for his radio shows and then probably has two hours to have dinner chill and then doing American idol. And it's like yes when American idol is on end. Did you say serious yet? So yeah but yeah. It's a syndication deal so right but I think he's he's L. A. When when American idol is on he's La and New York and it can be within days of each other. So could be that morning. Doing Kelly and Ryan flying that night to do you know what I mean. He used to fly comeback New York and La four days a week and that was the most. When I schedule I've ever seen I think when idol is on dots his schedule and he's to my knowledge. I think he's single. Still he has a girlfriend and dogs okay. But you can't have much more than that even that's going to suffer for and then here's the other part of this. The nobody ever thinks about is go look at his producing credits. Cardiac Shit. So he's got all those reality shows on E. or his and Bravo Bravo. So you've got to sit in those production calls meetings Blah Blah Blah granted. It's probably pared down a little more than what you're used to but I don't know that guy is probably got a schedule his shits where it's like dude if I don't take Shit at six twenty I'm fucked. Oh and that's why I'm saying the only way to do that kind of stuff and to be at your best in that way is to have a regimented. I think to have a regimented routine in that way. Where every night you know this if there's something crazy and there's an exception fine right but like you have to be like this is what time otherwise people are like pay. What your problem. And you're like nope. I have to go to bed at this time. I need to get up at this time. I eat something so that I should at this time. Data whatever whatever but in this in these days in the in these times I think no one is having a harder time with it then someone that needs routine to needs people all around him all the time shuttling him all these jobs because it's too tough man to get ready for. All of this hair was weird. All I think about all these celebrity guests you still need notes and somebody's got a brief you on things. Whatever plugging all. It was hard for him to say the name. I don't think was someone to like. Tell him how to pronounce it. Like there was all things where you kind of go. A week is Ryan seacrest. Just sort of like not a puppet but like is. He really just fed everything that he needs to say. He's just the kind of person that can say it so naturally that you think it's him you know what I mean. So it's it's a mixture because I've I've been Su American idol tapings before like the finale is and shit like that. I think maybe two or three of them to do press for other shits in so in between commercial breaks you see them and there's A. There's a clock inside that's Theater that says hey guys were at commercial for three and a half minutes right he will go over and chat with somebody about what's going on next to whatever remain on stage usually unless it's GonNa take water whatever it's going to be and then there is a teleprompter up there that's will feed you the basically word for would he say with American idol right which is great because that's a great host and he is a great host can do all that shit rates and make it seem natural and seamless all the time. This prompters go out. Fucking sucks and then spoiler alert for the singers inside American idol. There still is a prompter for the lyrics. I it's essentially glorified Karaoke at that point. Yes you have a great voice. But they can't learn that many songs that quickly so therefore there is a prompt or back there. All right cool. Here's the lyrics. Karaoke shit wonder what kind of Drugs Ryan seacrest his on. I would venture to say no I would venture to say something to go to sleep and something to get up without question medically totally prescribed does but I. I don't know if someone his age he is in great shape. He takes care of himself. But I would venture to say there's an Ambien or as upper something thing. God bless him. I don't know why does it mean to be honest with you. I mean so much work. We gotta have a Mike On. He's he's afraid to our producer said he's afraid of losing other things which and that's a that's the definition of workaholic right his deal with the e one hundred million dollars. He could walk away tomorrow and buy an island or not of work right where you're just like. That's not good enough. You just don't WanNa lose other things. You don't want like if someone says that they want you to do a job you do it instead of being like. Oh what is maybe something that I want for myself. What is it going to do for my life in the long run? What's IT GONNA take away as far as time with my family or my fucking dogs if that's what you have. I don't know but it's the definition of not really even his friends. It's like he's kind of friends with Kelly. Kelly works a lot of time for friends. You don't have time so the best at something you do not have time for friendships in. You have to be an asshole which is why I will never be by the way. Sad breaking news here. That's the pro wrestler Who was missing yesterday in Venice? Beach Marina del Rey Him and his child got ripped out the RIP current hold up by the rip currents he was able to save the child they found the body and they identified it as his so he was able to save the Child. The child kid lived. He passed away and man. That is a crazy story. This was the same guy by the way his name is Shad Gaspard in the. Wwe This is the same guy who there was A. He stopped a robbery. Remember that story. Where a wrestler stopped a robbery at a convenience store. It was him. I don't mean to be stop a convenience store but then he saves his own child and the ultimate hero action and Wouldn't you rather have it go that way than the absolutely is apparent? That is the only way that can shake out the only way. Otherwise you can put me in the grave rights to him however I get there but like if an especially with water because I have that huge fear being like sucked out. Because it's happened before and all these people had to run out to the end of the Jedi. Like call and everything. So that idea of like being sucked out crazy like huge fear right so again not even imagine if that was happening in you couldn't save because that's the whole point of trying to grab you and save you in there. Just you know what I mean. There's just no winning in that. In fact that he was able to do that. Oh my God I would just be like thank God okay. I can die now. I know this stretch of beach and we've been there five million times I used to. We live next to their. Wow why were they swimming out there you know I look? It's gorgeous. Yeah you've no idea even here the other day I didn't know I got in the water into ripped times brutal and I was like shit but I didn't know until I got in and even then you know I'm only like halfway in if you go out a little bit like there was people way out further than I was and I was like shit so freaky. It's crazy but but you don't really know and some of it sweeps up so fast and you know those sandbars in this area where it's just like to that can happen instantaneously and there's nothing you can do about it but that's really fucking awful news a to read about that right now each Yeah faulk that's that's terrible. That's the way I would want to go for sure. Like one hundred percent one hundred percent safety kid is definitely how I wanted. I if you were to ask me same. Look I know we're going to just ranting in rapping along the whole time we get some sponsors pay for the show to be on the air. 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Tell me well we did it on. We won't I won't do all of them. Obviously I'll just do a couple of give you a little taste of what we're dealing with. White people love saying. Oh these are dangerous after trying a new snack women. Yeah I don't hear s saying that but yeah absolutely white people up saying now. Let's do a silly one. After taking a group photo white people love saying we came at the right time as a line grows behind them at like restaurants. Just so fucking true. But it's like how's the weather? I like that too house weather. How was your flight? All of it fucking people have saying Oh. We really needed that after when it's raining What we're in a drought. We really needed it though. We're willing rabbit and it's so crazy like it should be were saying on the show like it should be called things. Dad Say right because it's more dad stuff and it just gets reigned we say like fancy here like when you know. Those first five were white women in their thirties and I put your faces who say them to to US thinking their thirties. I think a little bit older thirty. So yeah let's silly one I mean that one for sure. Get these away from me after eating chips. Yeah that's a woman thing for sure you're coming to terms with it live on air like as you're reading them like. Oh maybe it is. Just wake winning phrases yeah. I'm still nibbling on it when the way tries to your still nibbling literally said don't take one more bite I don't even touch it again but I don't want know boxing up and throw it right in the trash when I get home. Maybe it is what we should. We should change White Women in their thirties. A Oh that's great. People say knock knock while they're knock knock knocking knock knock again okay. That's not a bad thing I've ever said. Knock knock have you haven't. There's a new trend that's going on by the way in New York and California where you can get personalized panties with your favorites heroes from the quarantine they are now selling F- Ouchi panties. You guys Cuomo foul cheap panties FAUCI panties Cuomo panties and Newsome panties how. Who's this covered? I'll shut up. This company can't can't UVA DOT CO C. A. N. A. V. A. Because they're pretty funny in there actually pretty high quality but it says in the instagram photo. Thirsty we hear you us to. We've been so impressed with Governor Cuomo since we've been in lockdown we've created a limited edition NYC set of products that were making as a thank you to him in the wonderful healthcare heroes in our beloved NYC. When you put his name on your undies we will be matching dollar for dollar any NYC special edition product with an equal product donation to the healthcare workers in nyc area. We'll look at least it's going to a good cost here so You want some panties on grabs set need. Yeah it's a need it's not. They're not thongs by the way. So granny your sexy okay. You're sexy penny. Quality Looks Nice. I'll get you some some foul she panties. If Dr sure I think it says foul CH- on the but in the in the sheets yeah foul Ch- Vouch Thou- Chaman. Nothing ruins the mood. The mood more than Foul Ch- you know gross put put it my fouts. You know Nobody likes that. Nobody likes that at all. Nobody likes that at all. Drudge report by the way I I don't know when they became link fearmongering website. But they have you're out there in your big drudge. Report Dude I try to read ten twelve newspapers or digital online. What a fucking WANNA call them every morning to get her going and try to figure out the day here. Drudge is always on that list. I always read drudge every morning. It is turned into a fear mongering lake. We're all GonNa die website with just the worst reports that you could possibly dig up on earth right now. I don't. It's gotta be a strategic move but I don't know what it is but it's like churches a reclosing plea people are getting sick Texas is opening up there. The numbers of deaths of the highest. They've ever been in your like Jesus is one positive story and then all the way at the bottom of the page. It's like you know. Woman shaves dog for cancer. Boys for charity move glues dog hair to their head or something like that and you know there's one positive story share fucking ten minutes down the page. I don't know what happened with with him. A strategic gets bought out or something not sure the other part of this is if this strategic move is because digital is going down right now vice laid off a shit ton of employees Fox All guys like they're all hurting and I wonder if this is the only way to stay alive in something like this. He's this feels more like a tabloid to me now than rather than a new site. Where it's just like you know batboys. GonNa be tomorrow's next story where it's like found in cave alive didn't know any other language except for Hebrew. When was like what the Fuck But that's what that feels like me. Every time I pop it open shots. I'm like Oh yeah that's right. Forgot they fucking did that And then lastly over. The Tiger King obviously But his push to get a pardon from president. Trump has now gone on the road. There's somebody running his instagram which is exploded and he has a bus a JOE exotic bus. That is going across the country and it is heading to the White House so if you see it heading to the White House The statement that was released through his instagram yesterday said Joe Exotic has done more for people during quarantine in the US United States Than any other person therefore he deserves a pardon and our love so he's Million years now but not going to happen to a real quick crime corner. Did I do quick when it's an ongoing Alameda story? It's a developing story. Give it to you sure. Crime Corner Crawford Corner Trimbe gone. This is from detective Mat- Dublin. Shane Goodman do. Oh robs gas station with watermelon head disguises mean actual Mellon not like a mask or anything like hollowed out. Watermelon heads In Virginia to robbery suspect's in Virginia have been dubbed the melon head bandits which Oh what a dream especially. If you only you only got a you know a gas station. So it's not like a big huge. You know what I mean so that you can be the melon had bandits sure but photos showed the two suspects wearing watermelons on their heads with is with eyeholes. Cut Out so police say. The robbery happened at a gas station. Gas Station Station on their report. Ish The officers managed to arrest one of the melon heads twenty year old. Justin Roger. He's charged with wearing a mask in public while committing larceny. A why you had to. Why do you have to add the mask part for the crime? Wouldn't it just be robbery? So the crime. He's being charged with wearing a mask in public while committing larceny as well as stealing alcohol while under I don't know it's a state by state basis. There could be if you just rob. Yep It's different than like robbing with a mask. Potentially yeah because there are certain states. That don't allow watermelon headwear out in public. They may have thought it was. It was some kind of loophole right. Not a mask route Police say they're still looking for the second melon. Bolo Bolo for the watermelon had in Virginia. Quick One So hopefully hopefully that melon head. Yeah doesn't come a non with melanoma. He's not going to get far without these keys. White people look kids. We appreciate it tune in every day. Congrats Joe Rogan. That is massive and Spotify comes in we are. Gandhi Mahatma. let's Youtube can figure this shit out but we probably make them happy with this episode China. Listen to us we. We're fucked anyways then with with everything that I've said about shine over the last nine weeks. Whatever this this thing has been Go to Ross. I'd soon's rates in review the show so spike it up the charts yet. Another thing spotify doesn't have I don't is there any ratings on spotify their lists right? We were saying that you can get on. But that's not necessarily. I don't think there's a ratings thing on their either. There's like I'm talking myself into this show. I mean this like even that you know I feel bad is there is a ratings on there you can like it. Yeah felt like a one button greats fucking you're going to play the PODCAST anyways boom puppet this you have to rate it and you can't go back you can't do anything online tunes whatever so It's a it's a hard sell for spotify today. They're not our sponsor yet but do not be surprised if one day we just pop on and it'd be like hey come on. Should we say by some peop- let's shift missed you? Uncle Squeeze we have missed that name in the boards. Ruben Schneider who's my McGowan Kayla? Walking Britney was in for a second Burton Kayla whites crispier worth nego the Greek Oh. Aj Gamble he sat. Julio Ton. I don't know who that is. Welcome Julio Kevin Bold Arouse Satan Claus is back claws. We love to see it. We love a fun a fun name right active. Goodman I like that. He's changed his name. Oh that's that's you. Shane changes to detective Goodman. Thanks for the melon head tip. Dan Sarah which is nice. Kevin Na Balderas read white boys recommend. Jr An uncle skeet and show lack. It is show x news. Dude C. H. L. K. Cho- lack. Yeah do what are you doing? Ma'am show lacking tonight's lacking relaxing and then choking myself you're okay cool you lacking yeah. I'm lacking a little bit. Tonight's the night night now and who was first in the room not sure not sure not sure but way look. We're grateful for soon finger finger poop finger on its daily thing. Come back to his poop finger. 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Wed. 05/20  Joe Rogan is Podcastings Howard Stern Moment

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Wed. 05/20 Joe Rogan is Podcastings Howard Stern Moment

"Welcome to the tech name. Right home for Wednesday may twentieth. Two Thousand Twenty Brian McCullough. Today facebook takes another major run at cracking ECOMMERCE. Why this might be a highly opportune moment to do so. In short the chrome might be the moment. Ecommerce finally wins also will apple ship iphones without any ear pods. And why the big Joe Rogan. The spotify news might be podcasting. Howard stern moment. Here's what you missed today. In the world of Tack Facebook is taking yet another crack at ecommerce with the newly announced facebook shops a free tool that helps businesses easily list products on their facebook page. Instagram PROFILE STORIES. Were even inside. Ads quoting CNBC. In the future. Facebook shops will also allow businesses to sell products to customers through the chat features of WHATSAPP MESSENGER and instagram direct. The also be able to tag products during facebook and Instagram livestream. So customers can click on the tags and be taken to a product ordering page. The company has previously let businesses list products on facebook and instagram but facebook shops. Lets them upload? Their catalogs wants to make them accessible across facebook's various apps it's one simple and consistent experience across the family of APPs which means it is easier for people facebook. Ceo Mark Zuckerberg said in a live stream on facebook. That of course means they'll be higher. Conversions and more sales for small businesses and quote. Facebook shops comes as facebook. Ramps up its efforts to support small businesses during the coronavirus pandemic and Zach. Burke said that he personally was involved with the development of the feature small businesses make up the vast majority of facebook's more than eight million advertisers Zuckerberg said on Tuesday. Even though shops is free it will encourage small businesses to remain actively engaged with the platform since the pandemic began the company has announced a one hundred million dollar program to support small businesses through grants and away for small businesses to sell gift cards directly to consumers through facebook and quote. So you might be saying big deal. Facebook has tried to GIN UP ECOMMERCE on its platform numerous times over the years but one way to think about this is in. The context of the big platform. More is that we always cover on the show. This is a shot across the bow of Amazon of e Bay of shop a fi or basically this is just another front in the larger tech World War as Shashikant. Qura tweeted build a store on facebook. You depend on facebook for traffic build an independent store you depend on Google for traffic become a seller on Amazon. You depend on Amazon for traffic. And then all of these cases eventually you by ads for that traffic and quote again a multi-front war of which this might be only the most recent hot theater but it could be an increasingly important one since ecommerce is having a moment and what I mean by. That is sort of what we were talking about on that weekend. Bonus episode last weekend when a listener asks what I thought was fundamentally going to change because of this chronic virus moment. My answer essentially boiled down to well this. Is it commerce? E commerce the shift to virtual commerce the slow inexorable trend of the last decade toward the virtual in commerce. I think is just undergoing a final decisive phase shift at this very moment in time. There's been chart. That's been making the rounds on twitter that I've got a link to in the show notes and it's actually very illuminating. The bottom line is this. It took ten years for E-commerce's share of retail penetration to go from five point six percent to sixteen percent and then just the last eight weeks it went from that sixteen percent to twenty seven percent. Of course a lot of that e commerce being done right now might be temporary and it might. Abba back as things return to normal but as I said on the weekend. Bonus episode. Never underestimate consumer inertia. It takes people a long time to get trained on a new behavior but once converted they tend to stay converted and basically what? I think. We're seeing right. Now is a forcing mechanism that is accelerating the trends that we were seeing and converting the bulging part of the bell curve when it comes to commerce this is tech crunch puts it quote covid. Nineteen has made ecommerce a safer choice than visiting a hotspot. Would you rather stand in the Walgreens? Cue for your pills or subscribe and get them delivered to your home. The answer is already playing out. Walgreens recently announced a tie up with post mates to deliver medicines to customers the last time we had a safety narrative in response to nine eleven. It led to the boom of the surveillance industry. Now that boom is happening in ecommerce go online to live a little longer is a very compelling narrative. Nearly thirty five percent of America's spending population is older than fifty five. Historically this demographic has been the slowest to adopt ECOMMERCE. But now they will. Some changes are set in motion because there is a forcing function but once change unfolds. There is no way to say there will be a pure deigned endpoint or that it will or won't touch some parts of the physical transactions economy as a customer who's new to online shopping becomes accustomed to say post mates you. I over time. Each new category added becomes an ECOMMERCE. I for that user. Consumer behavior changes are hard but when they happen they start a flywheel effect. New Behavior will be introduced by one transaction for one category but will set the fly wheel in motion for other categories. As soon as delivery APPs understand the cohort of new users and their behaviors the APP adapts to them and introduces them to the powers. Their iphone magic ones possess. There will be no looking back. Everything convenient to order online will be ordered online. Fear and flight to safety are great motivators fear of getting a transaction wrong and losing money slowed down payments. Innovations and safety has never been in the e commerce equation before these two powerful motivators are propelling. Ecommerce forward right now if there is one curve that won't be depressing to watch in the near future. It will be e commerce revenues and quote so basically think of ECOMMERCE as suddenly the hottest battlefield in the World War of tech platforms platforms have always been playing a long game. A land grab game a game of taking advantage of historical trends of just simply identifying the tidal waves of history and then going and standing in a place where the soon. Nami will eventually wash over them. E commerce wasn't a lot of ways the first battlefield in the Great Internet transformation of society but I'm increasingly thinking that twenty years on the covert moment might finally be bringing this first battlefield to what was always inevitable crescendo which is also why. I've been asking among all of the things that should be having their moment right now things like Vr as we've discussed. Why haven't we heard more about autonomous delivery drone delivery robot delivery that sort of thing not only do people not want to go out not only are they ordering in more not only do they not want to interact overly much with people but if e commerce as we've just said is accelerating why not also accelerate the trend of more efficient delivery? So I'm really going to be on the lookout for more stories like this one from the New York Times. It's about Milton. Qian's a small city in the United Kingdom. That has been getting grocery delivery. During the lockdown via a startup called starship technologies and its fleet of delivery robots. Click through for the pictures of these ankle. Robots as. I like to call them. These knee hydroids from the death star pictures of them actually making deliveries real deliveries in the real world on real world roads and sidewalks quoting from the Times the Sun usefulness of the robots to people staying their homes is a tantalizing hint of what the machines could one day accomplish at least under ideal conditions. Milton Keynes with a population of two hundred. Seventy thousand and a vast network of bicycle paths is perfectly suited to rolling robots. Demand has been so high in recent weeks. Some residents have spent days trying to schedule a delivery founded in two thousand fourteen and backed by more than eighty million dollars. Starship technologies is based in San Francisco and it is deployed most of its robots on college campuses in the United States thus far equipped with cameras radar and other sensors the robots navigate by matching their surroundings to digital maps built by the company in each new location. The company chose Milton Keynes for a wider deployment in part because the robots could navigate it with relative ease built after World War. Two of the city was carefully. Planned with most streets laid out in a grid and bicycle and pedestrian paths called red ways running beside them when the starship robots. I arrived in Milton. Keynes one of the fastest growing cities in Britain list page thought they were cute but pointless quote. The first time I met one it was stuck on the curb outside my house. She said then in early April she opened a letter from the National Health Service advising her not to leave her house because her asthma and other conditions made her partially vulnerable to the coronavirus in the weeks that followed the robots provided a much needed connection to the outside world and quote. I told YOU THAT. Tavola is the sponsor I've ever reached out to become a sponsor before they even reached out to me because I- legit love Tavola. I eat them six days a week. At least and that is not at all hyperbole. I'm going to be telling you why I love to all week. But let's start with this today for lunch. I had sweet soybeans and Veggie Tacos with White Rice Saracho and sesame ALII. I love to follow because it's good fresh stuff end of story. I've tried other meal companies and the stuff ended up tasting the same because they use the same ingredients weekend and week out but to Vala. Switches it up constantly. Ten Dory Chicken meatballs a barbecue. Chicken wrap the next garlic lime salmon. The next I've been eating Tavola for ten months now and not bored yet. You know it used to make me board cycling between the same handful of delivery options every night year in and year out. Don't eat board like I used to try. Tavola a starting to package is one hundred dollars off when you sign up for six weeks of meal deliveries and listeners to the show can get an additional fifty dollars off when you go to. Tavola dot com slash ride. That's Tavola Dot com slash ride and get the fifty dollar additional discount only available to listeners of this show. D Wave had a big idea. What if you could take quantum computers? The very ones created by the likes of NASA Google and others and make computing time on these machines accessible on line to almost anyone. The D wave team had created an API and resources enabling developers to program on their quantum computers without needing a background in quantum physics. They were ready to release this open source framework but they needed a product that both explained how to program quantum computers and enabled access to their new framework ocean and Meta Lab Metal. Apps design team worked on an accessible easy way to explain how programming four quantum computing was different than regular computers. Matlab create explainers crafted dashboards and generally nailed a user interface for a new paradigm of computing. D Wave is now quantum computing's first killer APP medal. Add wants to bring the same creativity and clarity to your project. Check them out at medal lab dot co that's metal APP DOT CO and. When you get in touch tell them? Brian sent you. Quo Is predicting that for the first time. Ever with the new upcoming iphone twelve apple might be shipping phones without any free ear pods inside the box. Quoting apple insider in a note to investors t.f. Securities Meanchey quo. That he believes that apple will leave out the twenty nine dollar lightning ear pods when the iphone twelve ships to consumers. He isn't specific as to. Why apple will take the action but does note that it may dovetail with a promotion for air pods of some sort. Furthermore quo sees air pods demand in the short term waning because of larger economic conditions. But this is only temporary as he sees a return to growth in the full year previously. He predicted about eighty five million sets of air pods shipping. He now sees ninety. Four million shipping in the year in total across the entire range of devices on April Nineteenth John. Prosser stated that apple had a third generation. Air Pods refresh ready to go. Contrary to what quote believes on April Twenty Four? Th sources predicted that new airports model would incorporate noise cancellation technology. Impact on the battery. Life could be offset by apple using the manufacturing process improvement to save space internally to fit extra battery capacity and quote. There's no two ways about this. The biggest story and all of tech today is a podcasting story. Joe Rogan's podcast will become a spotify exclusive beginning September first. This means that starting on that date the only way to listen to new Joe Rogan experience episodes as well as his. What is it almost eleven years of back catalogue episodes will be inside the spotify APP. You don't necessarily have to pay up to spotify to listen. You can still be a free user of spotify but you will need to at least be a spotify member. This is all part of a multi year licensing deal which the Wall Street Journal is reporting is worth more than one hundred million dollars. Although I'm hearing that it's most likely north of two hundred million dollars the larger number making more sense to me because of what I've previously heard about Joe's existing from the podcast already think about it from Joe's perspectives. Doing this move to spotify. Essentially going behind paywall is almost guaranteed to limit the reach of his show and the show is already making more money than God. Probably deep into the eight figures per year in terms of advertising revenue spotify with need to pay Joe enough to justify essentially cutting the amount of people who listen to him everyday significantly. Lots of people have been making the Howard Stern to Sirius. Xm comparison. And I think that's almost exactly apt. Joe Has the largest audience in podcasting but just as Howard has happily gotten very very rich over the last fifteen years on satellite radio. His audience is nowhere near what it was. Add to that the fact that it's not like Rogan couldn't demonstrate obvious value to spotify. Spotify has two hundred and eighty six million active users while Rogan says. His podcast regularly earns a hundred and ninety million downloads each month. So let's divide that by the number of episodes. He does each month and let's estimate he has ten to twelve million listeners if he could bring over even one million of those listeners make them into new spotify members a more ties over time. That would be worth nine figures to spotify right there on just straight accounting basis but even more so if Rogan helps cement spotify as a podcasting platform and also one very key. Part of this deal is the fact that Joe's new content will also be coming down from his youtube channel. That's not at all insignificant because Joe's Youtube Channel has eight point four one million subscribers and youtube is launching a direct spotify competitors soon and spotify is launching. Joe's new show on its platform with a video component. See Video is another interesting factor to all this. I point you to nick. Quals recent interview with Bill Simmons of the Ringer which spotify bought earlier this year. For something like two hundred million dollars. Here's a direct quote from that piece. This is Simmons speaking the spotify. Vod casting thing is going to be really cool and different. And I'm excited for that. I know you wrote about it last week. Some people for whatever reason just like watching podcasts? They just do spotify. Has the technology to combine that experience. Or whether you WanNa Watch it or you WANNA listen to it. You're going to get it in the same place. The goal of spotify is we want you on our APP. Come to our APP stay there. This is something they spent. God only knows at least a year trying to develop the technology for it. That's a good example of why we wanted to go there. If we were going to work with and for somebody else we wanted to be in a place where they'd be like. Hey We created this awesome technology. Can you guys be the test case for it? It's like great. That sounds awesome end quote now. Having said all that there has been a ton of backlash to this. Joe's announcement of this move on Youtube has eighteen thousand dislikes. And this was Marco Armpits tweet quote F spotify an F. Any podcast. That's only playable in one APP. What Joe Rogan is? GonNa find out after it's too late. Is that moving an existing open free show behind it? Proprietary Wall results in massive audience loss. I hope he at least leaves his public feed up so he can return to it when his spotify exclusively fails and quote. I'm personally not so sure about that. But there are a lot of other people out there that are flat out saying spotify. Podcasting strategy is revealing itself to be kill podcasting. This is from digital trends quote. Wait what how can spotify kill podcasts? You're right of course. Podcasts can't be killed by anyone except their creators which is exactly why the Joe Rogan. Acquisition is an ominous sign of. What's to come by making? Rogan's show exclusive spotify something that will officially take place later this year. It effectively ceased to be podcast at all and this is from pod news an industry newsletter that we all subscribe to in the podcasting Biz. They're getting literally pedantic about what definition of is even is quote. A podcast is something that is delivered via in our s feet to multiple podcast apps. Pod News refers to things available exclusively on spotify. Bbc sounds or luminary as shows accordingly from late. Two Thousand Twenty we will no longer refer to Joe Rogan Experience. As a podcast and quilt. And finally today GonNa Squeeze this in here because it's nerdy and in the weeds but it's nonetheless important. The SDS Association has unveiled a new St eight point zero specification meaning that new SSD express cards will eventually be able to reach speeds of three thousand nine hundred and forty megabytes per second with new e. Four point zero support meaning that new. Sd cards sometime. In the near future will be able to achieve roughly four times the speed of current cards quoting Gizmodo in a press release issued on Tuesday. The association announced the transfer speeds for St Express cards will now top out at just shy of four gigabytes per second however that top end figure for new St Express. Cards will require a card reader that supports to e. four lanes or else transfer speeds will get cut in half to around two GB. Ps Or nineteen hundred and twenty megabytes per second when using I e three which is still twice the speed of today's fastest St Cards. Furthermore the St Association says s express will be available across a range of card sizes including s thc the EXC- and S D you see the way new St Express cards achieve. These speeds is through a new pin layout on the back of the cards which can utilize both single or dual e four lanes but perhaps more importantly previous versions of the official SD SPEC s the eight point. Zero cards will also be backwards compatible with older card readers so you won't get their fullest. Transfer speeds the reason. Why this is important. Is that with the rise of four K. And AK TV's and phones and cameras that can capture photos and videos and higher resolutions and bit rates than ever before it's becoming increasingly. Important to have removable storage. That has enough capacity and adequate transfer speeds to properly store all that data. The same goes for gadgets. Like the nintendo switch which can bolster its poultry thirty two gigabytes of onboard storage by tacking on a separate micro SD card by increasing the transfer speeds of D cards the new SD eight point zero. Spec could pave the way for faster loading times on future game consoles that support External St Card Storage and quote. Thanks to Glenn for filling in. Yesterday I've been recording sessions for the collision from Home Conference all week which normally would have meant me sending you episodes recorded in some hotel room somewhere. Obviously I'm not doing that but it is still taking up all of my free time this week. Thus the weird posting times some days. I've been posting really really early. And then some days late and the Glenn Field in yesterday very Abeille I might add anyway. I'm recording my final session for the comforts tomorrow so things. We'll be back to normal and I will talk to you tomorrow again as well.

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#1353 - Rob Zombie

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#1353 - Rob Zombie

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My guest today is an all around bad motherfucker music movies and he's just a great guy to talk to please give it up for the great and powerful Rob Zombie the Joe Rogan experience Choi Joe Rogan podcast by the Rob Zombie Ladies and gentlemen. How are you sir good good? Thanks for being here man appreciate. It's awesome three from hell comes out tonight. Yes finally it's such a crazy leap that you've made. I mean people know you as much now for your films as they do for your music. Yes pretty much especially. I've really noticed that when I'd be like an elevator like the music fans I can pretty much spot them. You know but like when some guy comes up to be an elevator looks like he's a lawyer or something which I I have to get to grips with out because you know I'm old cop comes up and what does this guy on a fan because because he's thirty years younger than me but like normal people I go man so into this because I figure like you know heavy. Metal Music is very specific but everybody what he likes movies Yeah Yeah I can pretty much spot them. What do you look for metal fail like when you see what's coming your away well? It's changed but now it's always a guy with a shaved head in a long T- T that's very nobody has nobody has hair anymore. It's like I swear sometimes about stage aged. Physically that's funny yeah right that was rock and roll synonymous. It's like no not anymore. What made you make that leap in the Har- films well? I always wanted to make movies. That was always my main goal in life really before music. Well let me back it up. I loved everything equally but as a kid it all seemed unattainable so it was all fantasy like Oh yeah I'm going to go to Hollywood make movies. Oh Yeah I'm gonNA have a band like no. You're not you're just living in some crap. Tara knew nothing. Nothing is what it felt like yeah. You're on the Newton yet so I think when I was a kid played ice hockey we would play against. I'm sure I I think we wrestled you. Go wrestling. I hated the most thirty seconds thirty a second smaller growing up I mean it's like you can have a crappy band in the garage with your friends but it's not going to and then we had a super camera so we'd make crappy super eight movies but none of it seemed realistic. I thought my life was GONNA be world's. Worst Bike Messenger New York City that seemed to be what I was destined esten for but then as the ban started taking off and which seemed on its own and there was a chance to make music videos like I'm directing these music videos. This'll be film school for me and that's what sort of became did you have this thing that a lot of people have when things start going well for them. You have sort of like imposter syndrome like you kind of you like could this is what the fuck are. They GONNA find out. Oh Yeah my whole life is like half again. I think everybody feels like that. I think so too I mean because I was always so I was so shy and I was so shy wouldn't even WanNa talk to people on the phone and a kid because that was too much yeah that one day I realize I just this is how I realized it. One day like in Highschool I didn't associate with anyone like no one remembers me 'cause I was just invisible but me and my friends were sort of like into punk rock like in a place where like no one knew what that was and then the day we graduated. We were like hanging out around McDonald's and the main you asshole jockeyed came up. Who would be the worst your worst enemy so he made a good college? Where do you guys get like you're cool clothes and stuff like like wait four years of torture from douchebag friends and navid day we gradually can you guys were so that's what I do? Everyone so fucking insecure doesn't matter and then the next ecstatic I don't care anymore. Oh that's a different person yeah. It's hard to forgive those people you know the people that fought with you in high school. It's hard to let that go unrealized though they were probably tortured at home well. You can't let it go because that's your motivation. I'm always motivated by probably by anger and revenge engine things of that nature. That's why when people want anti bullying might be anti success later on in life because you know people to get fucked with tend to you make it yeah Chris Rock has a bit about that. It's true it's really true for fighters almost all the best fighters in the NFC have some story where someone was fucking with them when they're young and they had to figure out how to fight. What's the first thing we'll do take karate lessons? Leave Chris Rock's involves Steve Jobs awesome a lot of other people like do you not want Microsoft like yeah. It's super true. It is super true and it's also it's interesting that you said that you were you had social anxiety so so many people that become entertainers also had some form of social anxiety when they're young yeah I had to do this thing lasts no the night before or last I was presenting this award to somebody at this event and you know I'm picturing the stage will be really big and high get super. Impersonal doesn't matter and get stage like lower than this desk and it's like all the tables with people eating dinner right that my whole man's nightmare. I can't do this. Yeah you know because you have to sort of be normal. I used to freak out when I had talked to bank tellers. I used to like you know you're in the line doesn't make any sense but the line of like have to deposit my check. I'd be in the line of people talk that feeling so great that about every I like that with my own not my family that lived in the house but it's like an uncle Kmart Gargano Adeel target oncle bill upstairs call me when he leaves and then it's crazy that a guy like you winds up singing singing in front of fucking thousands of people playing guitar in front of thousands of people. I wish I could play guitar but I will sing in front of the people it doesn't bother it doesn't matter at all. It's a festival one hundred thousand people who gives a crap. It's crazy so many say hi and my dad add especially if they're right in front of you like the one of the weirdest shows that any comic ever has to do is shows where there's a really tiny audience like the comedy store at one o'clock in morning news like five people that's brutal. It's just so weird. It's like five hundred people no problem yeah five people. That's why starting like when people go how do you ever go back and play clubs and more intimate setting like no. I want this show to be bigger is IM- impersonal as humanly possible because because I hated playing clubs and the people like right in front of you like yeah I I know we do kind of sock. Can you just go with it. Break Man you know let us get our feet. I don't know what kind of music did you guys play in the very beginning well when I started I was living in New York City. In my first band White Zombie started. I was working at pee. Wee's playhouse actually as a production assistant for piano first season. Did you know Phil Hartmann no production assist do did you see him. I saw people aren't because it's Phil Hartmann. It was Paul Rooms. Obviously we Marshall Blacula. He was the cartoon King at that point. It was all these great people Larry Fishburne Kabul Curtis. I'm trying to think who else is there. Wow I forgot he was on it. The only interaction I've ever had with anybody was Paul reubens and I was standing there and he walked by. Where's the bathroom? It's like it's right there. That's it that was it so. I figured I'd say oh but it's I. It's crazy white white Zombie was your first band to yeah and what are the odds. It was weird because we didn't play any covers and we sort of nobody really knew how to play when we started we sort of invented southbound down based upon completely not knowing what you're doing really yeah because you like the ramones. It's like well. We know these three chords but we understand they instinctively understand catchy pop songs even though it doesn't make sense 'cause when you try to learn a Ramon Song. It doesn't make sense even though it seems like Oh these are really simple songs because I've have played before because I've done this ramones tribute thing oh verse chorus wait verse again two courses than another like they're so catchy but the structure so odd because you you could tell they were just sort of inventing this thing too and that's how I felt with us because I I had this weird idea like let's play conventional drumbeats which is like saying. Let's never make the song fun for anyone to listen to. You know I got over that but it just yeah you're just talking about. Did you take any classes in their early days or did just well. I went to New York originally go to Parsons School Design for Fine Arts but I got kicked out because my grades dropped too low because I went to New York so it was like I'm just hanging out dance at Terry. All night. I'm not going to school was amazing because one night it would be you know run DMC a like before anyone knew who they were and then it'd be like Nick Cave then it'd be this. It was like I was I stayed there every night til four. Am and go to school just falsely for Fall Fall Asleep on the train ride home in New Jersey then try to get back so you never went to school like like for classical musical instruments or anything. No I never went I. I can't learn anything I'm capable. I just have to do it figured out and do it wrong. A thousand times I can't I just didn't capable even as a little kid got a game. I was incapable of reading the directions we will just. Let's just make our own rules. We get a spinner and these little guys guys. Let's just three lines of directions to learn how to play the happy days game. We wouldn't bother you giving so many kids out there. Hope Right now listening listening to this day like that's me yeah I mean if you can make it you can be you could be rob's off. It can be an idiot and make it. I mean I remember when I got kicked out of school. I was sitting in New Jersey. I was probably nineteen. Maybe twenty and I was just thinking well I did it. I'm a fucking loser because as I had one hundred bucks a week I got kicked out of school in sitting there. This crappy Ghetto neighborhood in Jersey City to my life. It worked out yeah worked out somehow. Isn't that crazy. Things just eventually get better if I don't know how I guess I don't know oh how because it never they would never seemed like it was going to like white. Zombie was abandoned you might everyone hated and no matter what we had to be literally literally the last band in New York City record deal. Maybe that's why we got it like literally out of bands. We have to sign but even when that happened. There's always weird thing and maybe you could really we got offered a record deal with RCA records. Now we're a band that has got anything as like Nah doesn't seem right. I turned turned it down and then we got MCA. I turned it down. I think we should wait. Hold up for Geffen records. Now we have nothing people holding out for Geffen records because they were the biggest at the time with no reason to be holding but we got signed a given event. How did you have those kind of balls because that seems like well I think it's balls mixed with stupidity at the same time because I know I could be my own worst enemy because he wanted signed to geffen come up with an album title? They like really you're gonNA call the sexiest devil music volume one. Is this just a guarantee. We don't get any good placement on the album in stores I guess and then the like well we're GonNa hi what's higher so and so two direct the video like naming. He just did the naming some big the whitesnake video I I'm GonNa do it and they're like oh God but it l. worked. It's crazy that you passed on to legitimate record companies. I mean most kids when they're starting out so you know you're like Holy Shit. This is our chance. I didn't think they were good enough to know. We weren't good enough or anything either. I don't know what that thought was well. Maybe you just I'm not a believer in fate. It kind of seems to fall in place for you it yeah. I don't know it's like I feel like my whole. Life is just like I could could've gotten hit by that car. I just didn't you know 'cause I just stopped one second short from action stabbing in front of the speeding car in made it so you always wanted to make movies movies though there was always something that was always wanted to do for sure but that seemed completely undoable because it was just like Hollywood and movies I mean it just it feel so far far removed living on the lower east side playing. CBGB's like and being broke that seems doable like you know and that actually would inspired me. There's I would see so many bands like oh well. They suck I mean we lease better than they are. I guess the motivation I had but like movies just seemed like no way that works for comics to that's one of the best thing Richard Jenny once said that about open mic nights that really bad comedians are great because they inspire people to try it yeah yeah yeah I get it. I mean because it's such a I think I I have so many friends that are comics that I've always become good friends with over the years and I think it's so similar. I can't imagine staying there trying to tell jokes that people aren't laughing but I also can't imagine staying there playing songs that nobody wants to hear and they're just looking at you like Oh yeah yeah similar well. The thing is I think it's probably even harder maybe with songs that nobody knows because people will listen to jokes because they make them laugh but songs in a band that no one knows like man you gotta figure out a way to rope these people in yeah. That's sway always figured like I was always visually oriented so I always made sure the band had a look a certain way and act a certain way the way I wanted them to be you know so I thought at least there's that at least you can go. This is awful but look at these maniacs where you you know everybody's hair down to here and they're going crazy and no one else's going crazy in the club but they are at least it's a spanner -taining trainwreck to watch at least you know what kind of film did you like. When you're growing up I mean when I was a kid I would literally just get the TV guide because we're talking like you know the early seventies he's and I would circle everything that was going to watch for the week like I would plan it out? It wasn't random. It was like okay one o'clock white heats autumn and watch that beneath the play it comes on at four. We're going to jump to that then. We're GONNA take a break to watch Gilligan's island then when it come back is good and bad eglise on tonight because it's Clint Eastwood just planted out the whole week and that's I would just watch everything kids today will never understand. TV guides now never understand and the ones that would come with the Sunday paper. We get the guide with the paper and you figure out what's it's going to be on the greatest stuffer we look forward to what was going to be on TV member as a kid like you knew planet of the apes was going to be unlike the whole neighborhood was on fire. 'cause Planet Planet of the apes is going to be announcing whatever my phone right now. It's always there but I think there's something I don't you think an honorary how this figures into comedy but I'm sure there was something about having to be exposed to everything because there was nothing else that I know as much about John Wayne movies I do about horror movies right. You didn't get to choose whereas now everything so compartmentalized that will just like you. Guess like if you hear a banjo. Let me guess what your favorite band is the band you sound exactly like because you have no other influences this as opposed to a lot of metal bands. I know that are huge well. My favorite band was actually Z. Z. Top so we just decided to play Z. Z. Top riffs really fast and that's how we created this but everybody's just so like I only like this. Yeah you get in those those confirmation bubbles where everybody else likes what you like and you just operate in the same circles and yeah yeah you can get real weird that way where it's weird like you just it but if you're taking influences for stealing things from everywhere yeah yeah you can put them together a new way but if I only like metal yes you sound like metal. That's a cool thing about the radio right that I mean I've been recently listening to spotify which I never listened before but listen to streaming services are exposed to you know there's like a channel like there'll be a rob Zombie channel in the a bunch of other shit on it as well like you know. There's has led Zeppelin Channel Yeah. Here's some weird music that you you didn't expect from some bands. You didn't even know oven. I missed that from radio. Yeah I just WanNa because you want. You want that motivate. How how will what's this yeah? That's cool. I'm going to listen to that. I didn't know what it was. Five minutes ago. Yeah I mean because even as a kid I mean he can't help but they just FM radio okay the allman brothers Diana Ross than kiss then Aba. I'll just listen to all of it because it's on the radio right right now. Yea I remember grown up in Boston. WBZ N. a short yeah they played one time. I forget who it was. My Been Mar- Perenco I forget who it was. Who is the? Dj was saying was saying that this look this is not my main actually might have been C. O. Z. It might not have been anyway whoever the DJ was it was a rock station and they were like look. This isn't rock but it's fucking good. They didn't say fucking good. That's really good and that's what we're playing and they played Michael Jackson and I remember thinking wow this is so crazy. They're gonNA play a Michael Jackson Song but it was really good yeah. So you like okay. I'll take it you know it's funny. I remember because I still remember the one morning brushing my teeth and they're like oh are playing this new band. The police is Song Rock San. I thought it was like this oh by reggae band until I saw a picture of rest in Peace Ricco casick. I know today Ricco casick that'll cars. That's a bummer. That was a bummer. Those guys are so the cars is one of those bands where whenever you don't know what to listen to. He can always listen to the cars so many good songs and it's so good he yeah he he was such an interesting guy too so it's a an oddity yeah tall lanky with the sunglasses and the supermodel and also he's he he was brilliant. That's a bummer man. That's a bummer and he was cool too because I remember when he produced the bad brains record rock for light. I was like Rick O. CASICK yeah so like news movies wise movie wise like when you were a kid the UN horror films back then. I was in everything but I love that for sure but I like. I don't even know if we we definitely didn't call them horror movies. We thought everything everything was a monster movie monster movie like that's just what we'd call because there's always like you know we'd we'd creature double feature on Channel Fifty six. Do you remember that sure yeah. Well like the every weekends five destroy all monsters and you know whatever son region sure yeah so that was yeah so big time that ruled our world so watching them back then that's when you got the idea well again the idea that I loved it. I want to do it but it was. Oh it was the idea like I want to be an astronaut to like. It didn't seem like an idea that was ever going to happen something that you're really into yeah and it's really funny too. It's funny weird things because at one time in high school me and my friends filmed a sequel to escape from New York the John Carpenter film no no no give them better to do and then to be like you know government twenty years later that I remain a John Carpenter film Halloween was just so bizarre. I guess I've been thinking about Arthur longtime but that is kind of crazy. It's weird yeah. It's weird shit like that. When you're first actual film films like two thousand four two thousand two thousand yeah because the way it went down was this is a funny story too I made by first movie house thousand corpses at Universal Studios and it was two thousand and it could have been even the tail end in one thousand nine hundred nine? I'm not sure the only reason two thousand had a rap gift. Somebody gave me a put. A date and I was like Oh shows thousand so made the movie Universal Studios once they screened it. We had our test screening which I thought went I thought when great and what I know the the head of universal versus the time came up to me was like we have to talk tomorrow and that was not a good tone. You're so great we want to give you a five picture deal tone of voice so the next day they dumped the movie and you know just basically booted out and what was the conversation they were like. We basically this is unreliable. I don't remember word for it but that was the conversation but at the time to you figure there was no oh horror coming out of university they were making like the flintstones movie and that was not the image they wanted this really vile sort of backwoods hillbilly murder murder fest where there's bad people win. Essentially I mean horror films were sort of like not even a commercial thing at that point in a way so then then which is funny now. If you go to Universal Studios Hollywood Orlando there's a huge house of one thousand corpses thing event going on in both theme parks. That's Hilar- I was there for the old grand opening like that's funny train like I get fired from here and now you know twenty years later. It's a theme park attraction in the exact place. I got fired from wow which is so weird. What was the conversation like before? You decided to do that film I mean how did how did they let you do it again. I think getting to make a movie for Universal Studios was such an amazing experience. I think I was too naive to understand what was happening. It'd be like you did one set of. We're GONNA put you on tour George Carlin cool. I guess is the way it happens man. Wow I didn't really appreciate just went down to not that I took it for granted but I had I had met with someone at the theme park about doing a haunted maze during their for Halloween horror nights based on my album and then sort of by being in the offices was meeting meeting people and having just meetings about stuff or I just didn't want to leave once I got in the studio radio just love being there even though his beer and somehow I remember being in the guy his name was Kevin Mischer his office pitching. I am a movie. I didn't have a pitch for I title but no nothing else in somehow it progressed from there really I told them kind of a cool title with completely -pletely half ass idea that I was making talking to. What did you say like what was the Guy Remember I? It was weird. I don't even I can't Rem- I wish I could remember it well because it after the fact I'm like how did this happen. I don't remember this is like your stories like the anti ambition store. It's like the preparation preparation story for successful nonetheless yeah I guess the goal is just be vague with people be vague and look. I don't care air and I had that attitude too. I remember once the movie was rolling. I was like this. I WANNA cast and this is exactly what I WANNA do. And if you guys guys don't want to do it. That's cool. Let's not work together and they did it. Wow that's pitch on my part right and I got it on the universal back lot. We're like right there like doing the whole thing and big production and it was weird wow when it wrapped like final day final scene and that's a wrap we like what the fuck is having well. The funny thing is like after we wrapped the first time we had a little test screening within the studio like friends and like Oh we we should probably punch up the ending so that gave me like they gave me more money to reshoot the inning than I actually remade. My newest movie with it was money was nothing like throwing money around like is like nothing else causes and saying we're building. These giant sets crazy stuff. It was after that you know the problem started but i. I wish I could remember these things better. It's weird that I don't but what attracted you to this. Ultra violent psychopath like outkast murderous style all of movie that you do because you have these almost like mutant society psycho murder people that but people fucking love it man. I've always dug like outsider mentality like anything that involve like out. I think it started as a kid as a kid 'cause like a lot of people can relate to this. I didn't feel like I fit in like I was like weird. I didn't fit it. I didn't get like what were the cool shoes to wear. The right. frigging is odd sure I didn't understand I wasn't trying to be you know trying to be weird and I'm like Oh yeah. I WANNA be weird hideaway because I'm weird now. It's like I don't understand and I think what I would watch the monster movies. The monster was always that mentality like King Kong like hey man. I'm just trying to get along why they're gonNA shoot me and Frankenstein's born yesterday while you're trying to kill me like I think a weird kid you relate to the monster so as life went on and you know the I would always relate to the outsider then I would always relate to movies like taxi driver Ver- Bonnie and Clyde and Bill Yeah Travis Bickel. He's he's the fucking man you know and I would always be like anything anti-society at the fuck you fuck everything. That's normal right like revenge bench yeah I was just into it and I felt real similar. When I was a kid I was always in the monster movies? I'm always into something that just just tore tore all the normal people part and just ripped apart all the conceived notions of what everybody thought was going to happen and then round the in towards in high school when I discovered punk rock you figure there's an entire form of music where they're just like. Go Fuck yourself yeah. That's what we're here. I'll play and so many other people as well and it just like it flips your whole idea of what life is and then when I moved to New York I was like like wow this entire city of people who give yeah that's where they come. Yeah nobody shit about anything. It's amazing How your movies resonate with people like to like in a finanical way like the read the comments on just the trailer for three from Hell? Well you know just people are so fucking pumped yeah. It's it's great. I mean it's been a it's been a long journey because like when my first movie came out I think every review basically said something along the lines of worst movie ever made I hate this movie and now people do that your best movie. You know like you've Susan Riverside so it's just weird same with White Zombie when our I guess I still remember our first Geffen record came out. I saw the first review it was this magazine alternative press who two years ago gave me this lifetime achievement award and I had to read the review while accepting the review said this is the worst band ever ever come on and this is the worst ban ever ignore this band so there was something there must have been something jira contact the person who wrote I'd back there. I was just like I mean like a felt like maybe a few years later it was I I used to be upset by reviews until I saw who wrote them. yeah you know yeah. That's a lot of critics critics because they really wanted to be writers is don't have a lot to contribute and so they just shit on things and it's just like you as a when you're young and you're new and you're reading that the guy is writing it Friday all bad ass. You'll think oh this dude look like Lemme. He must be this hard. Ask Guy and that guy wrote. Ah Fuck Him. Fuck everyone else. Whoever writes anything again? I don't give a shit. The thing is about music. It's so subjective you know someone. Someone who grew up wearing the right is odd shirt's hanging with the cool crowd. They're not gonNA. It's your music not going to resonate with them the same way it's going to be with other people that felt like they were outsiders. Insiders I mean I can only do what I do and I don't know what would be popular right. Don't understand popular culture in a way because when people are gushing over something a movie or something like Oh I hated that movie made five hundred million dollars in it's everyone's favorite move I go I could barely we sit through it yeah. There's a lot of those being made same with music like I'd be like I love the velvet underground but what about in they'll name something like you know. I don't want to bash anybody something so popular that makes me want to kill myself literally. It's sickening deal Wi- like any films today. Is there anything that and I you know I mean we're Kinda. Shit you enjoy. I watch every everything I mean whenever there's something that's more like a smaller movies. I really really like like I was thinking about the other day about this time in the nineties where like you got movies like Napoleon dynamite in American splendor which I thought. Do you ever see that yes Paul Giamati. P Cars is like the greatest movie ever gross world those early Terry's office. That's where I kinda whitehead. was that weird movies like that yeah. It's look to polling dynamite to this. Day is one of the greatest comedies of all time as soon as that movie started and the credits were food as like this is like the greatest thing I've seen in a theater and like twenty years what is going on here well. Let's see. I just don't understand why they never made a second one. I don't know that didn't make any sense to me. I'm like this is a fucking franchise waiting to happen like him and the the other dude the WHO's the guy who played his was his uncle Uncle Rico. Yeah it was amazing. They were so like over the top believable like everything about it when he's feeding Tina. It just doesn't seem I just doesn't seem like you could miss. I love that movie yeah well. I could see them doing it now. Yeah he tried to do that with dumb and dumber remember the way too late fifty and everyone's like this is just weird. You're not young on any more yeah buffoon. That's hard lightning in a bottle to recreate yeah yeah right right right. It's like stepbrothers certain movies that just right you got to kind of leave him alone. I remember seeing stepbrothers and I was like is it my imagination every single fucking thing in this movie hilarious those together you consolidated nights amazing and Talladega Nights. I love comedies made well yeah so often. They're not yeah you know. That's what I liked about the hangover. If you turn the sound off you just looked at it. It's a really good-looking well-made Hjelm and you turn on the sound. You realize it's hilarious but so many comedies are just so sh- shitty what's I knew Seth Seth Rogan produced film with kids the good boys up my fucking wife said it was amazing. She said it was like like Piss. Your pants laugh really yeah. Yeah I got it. I need to go see it. I like the live action like South Park. That's a good way to describe because it's R. Rated R. Seth Rogan Chemists. He's great. He's hilarious now when you were a kid like you liked all kinds of stuff but did you think I think if you wanted to make films that you would be making the kind of films that you're making now these like butchers well. I guess the first thing I made was that and I I was into it. I mean I liked what happened to was when I moved to Manhattan in like one thousand nine hundred eighty two or something I discovered when when New York City was all second run theaters in double feature so I could finally see the laundry list of films I'd never been able to see. I remember the first time I like Eighth Street. Replay House was a good example where I I saw Texas. chainsaw massacre on a double bill with Jimi plays Berkeley the Jimi Hendrix movie bill. Oh but I forgot about double bills and I would go see like Oh my God. Ill says she will solve the SS is playing with faster pussycat and it could cause I could never see him because there was no. VHS HSS yet or or so new that those movies went around that I just had books and they were just staring at books back in the day you know it's because with the new movie from Hell playing on one thousand screens so it's not like everywhere like you can't walk two feet on five screens and People Phuc fifteen minute drive from my house. I would literally drive for five hours as a kid. If there was a movie I wanted to see it didn't matter I'd ride my one time. I rode before it could drive. I rode my bike for like three hours to see neither living dead at a midnight screening seat no matter what because it was just going to evaporate. That's one of the things I love about people people from Canada Canada they drive everywhere friends and Alberta. They'll drive seven hours to go see something yeah. That's what you have to do with the morning and that's your day. Are you driving somewhere and when I was younger that was part of the fun I didn't Care Yeah. It's an adventure so the concerts thirty hours away so yeah. Did you study of you. Have you washed a lot of like really old Har- yeah I mean I watch. Sometimes I feel like I I'm searching for things to watch watch because I try to watch literally. Everything and I want to own everything so I have like a vault at home that has you know twenty thousand movies movies in because I never if somebody mentioned something. I don't know what is back and I like write it down. I have to go investigate it so they say a vault. You like an actual actual volt like a bank notes stack of it's just a room that I built that. Just is nothing but like a movie library because I want to own everything so you you have a physical copy of all these. What format do you put them in well now they're DVD? I mean they were laser discs and vhs and then I started because what happens now it's great that everything's digital but if you go to I tunes ninety nine percent of the things I wanna see. Aren't there because they're not you know so you can do that thing now. That was Nice Amazon where you can they will burn the movie on CD to own because it'll be like weird. Movies spent forever trying to find I mean I got it many years ago but there was a movie called dirty little billy with Michael J. Paul it his billy the kid where do I see this dirty little mazing movie from the seventies and finally you can get it like they'll. It's made to order CDs. DVD's Amazon and stuff so when I was a kid I was gigantically in horror films and I used to read Fan Goria and I remember they were getting into these. There's slasher movies from like I guess like the sixties never heard of that will like Ultra Ultra Gore Fest Movies Yeah icon. I'm trying to remember who was the director but there was a guy who was famous for Herschell. Gordon Lewis is that what do you think the maniacs and blood fees yes yes. Yes like that stuff. I never was exposed. I still to this day. I've never seen one of those films but but the magazines were covered with like people with axes and yeah because things would play it at the drive in and then go away yeah that was that's how I felt when the first time time when loved one forty Second Street New York it was the real forty seconds right and so funny me and my friend my roommate back then we'd always go to forty forty second street to see movies could be like Cannibal Holocaust. We'll just see what the buckets cannibal and you'll see the Talian Cannibal. This is literally the most Viking not not believe another human made. This movie blows your mind but I remember every time I went to forty second street. I saw a really bad bad. Incident happened like you could not go there like would be like wait in line and like Oh. Let's go get French fries for the movie. Two guys start fighting to McDonald's and one guy I would just pummel the other guy that'd be blood every it happened next time. Go We'd see Guy Stabbed another guy in the theater while watching there it is like literally never went there once and even right till I was recording my album before he moved. I remember walking to the studio which was like maybe forty third and there's a dead body lying there and they just found him and they're they're just starting to put the sheet so action see the violent act but I saw the body but he didn't care they need New York. It was like New York when I moved to New York you work in eighty two still seemed like taxi driver New York yeah well that was when it was coming from Heberr awhile and West so exciting because Hazel liberal so boring in comparison can be more boring if its goal is to be boring gold medal I ever hateful is so bad that that when we were kids I remember I don't forget maybe this'll be the bison around the bicentennial. I think they were trying to drive business main street and she can't even blame Walmart back then was dead. There was nothing there which is a ghost town in the like. They just put all thes