4 Burst results for "Joe Kurth"
"joe kurth" Discussed on Amicus with Dahlia Lithwick
"From a foreign entity that brings down the power grid in the city of Detroit on election day and the potential for us not being able to run the election over we only have one election day for president What happens then? I raised the scenario with both drill Kurth and Josten fence and ask them what they thought would happen. If there were such an attack it'll be absolutely cast and I think it would hurt the You know people would not have one vote anymore and that specific example in terms of a power outage on election day we have generators in place and backup plans and of course paper ballots To enable us to actually keep proceeding if we are all in close communication with the fifteen hundred jurisdictions in this case the one jurisdiction in Detroit or or others that may be affected our preparation for things like that whether they be natural disasters or you know the acts of nefarious People people trying to attack our system really relies on us to be close to the ground on election day and prepared for all these potential scenarios just as we are for a power outage and then also so partnering with the Department of Homeland Security And and with other national entities like the information sharing and analysis center. I sack So so that we are in real time getting support and feedback if these things are happening in other places as well and and so. I feel that we're more prepared than ever and I. I say this not just permission but I think other states as well to deal with types of attacks you're referencing Because there's been so much more attention and proactive active preparation and planning in place that I think ever before and with fifteen hundred jurisdictions certainly leaves it open for for challenges and wrinkles but but I'm I'm bolstered emboldened by the fact that we've got so many people with is on this problem. Identifying potential solutions and our goal is to make sure all those people bler in place on election day for rapid response. Plan to be executed if anything does as you suggest that happen So what I take from Jocelyn Jocelyn Benson is actually a nice tidy summary of the thesis of your book which is that somebody who has the role of Secretary of state it has to say the aspirational thing has to say. It's fixed the system works. Get out there and vote and there's nothing to worry about whereas the journalists whole whole curse is pretty much saying you have reason to fear the doomsday scenario because it could really happen. And there's a weird way in which we're having two conversations conversations one about what is and one about what we can't say might be simply because we want people to get out there and vote but I took away from Secretary Benson and that she has limited control over her fifteen hundred jurisdictions. She's doing the best she can with what she has to work with and she's going to try and be as transparent as possible. Oh I think not. Only promoting confidence is important. But being honest with what's going on and I think that really when I look incompetent election administrators they always say breath. It's not the crime it's the cover up Lots of times when election officials are not telling you what's going on it's because they're covering up there malfeasance or their misfeasance and With someone like Secretary Benson. If she could control the entire election system of Michigan I would probably have more confidence than the fact that she is this general coordinator of an election being running fifteen hundred jurisdictions Chris. Dickson's so I asked Joe Kurth if things are potentially going to get better for twenty twenty. And here's what he said ultimately always comes down to just sort of like. Roll the dice in Michigan. It's really sad to say that but Sure as rain. There's there's GonNa be a problem in Detroit this crisis For six months after there's a crisis and then everybody forgets about it It's not a sexy thing to who invest in And it's something like sewers. You know you just expect them to work until they don't and you're not GONNA win elections. He's standing up and in talking about how you just hired you know ten times more. Volunteers or new. Optical scanners is not a sexy subject until bill until it all falls apart. I guess we are now simply hoping that. It doesn't rain in Detroit in November of twenty twenty and and also that the boxes and the bins and the papers are all in good order. Well Talia I don't know how religious you are but There's something called the election administrators ministers prayer. which is Lord? Let this election not be close and really I.
"joe kurth" Discussed on Amicus with Dahlia Lithwick
"Did. Parties rarely differentiate between incompetence and deliberate abuse. Or that's a French comes later on down the line when the damage is already done. It took months for Michigan election officials to investigate. In the meantime what People Watch Fox News alert that there were more votes than voters in the city of Detroit. I don't I think that there's been any evidence of trying to throw elections. That have been you know that that are credible. But I think that it's it's hard not to let let your imagination wander if you're frequently having power outages in precincts during elections in. You're losing ballots. Why wouldn't you have conspiracy theory? Maybe this is a good corollary to your initial point. which is we only think about broken election systems in the week before elections actions? We only think about them again in the week after and so if six months later of finding comes out no harm no foul or no fell but harm arm. It's too late for anybody to care and conspiracy theories not only get fixed in our education but they have a pretty big megaphone in this current current White House the way in which election returns come in from urban areas absolutely amplifies some of the worst conspiracy mongering right sure so the largest the jurisdiction the longer takes to count the votes. The more people there that are voting with provisional ballots or might be maybe their new voters the longer takes to count the votes. What's these tend to be? In urban areas. These tend to be in areas that have more democratic voters. And that's why we see what professor Ned fully has called the big blue shift where votes started out being more Republican and as more votes are counted. You end up with A democratic surge. We saw this. You may remember in the two thousand. Eighteen gene election as California was counting millions of absentee ballots. We saw election after election in Orange County. California swing from Republicans in the lead to Democrats that that wasn't because there was any conspiracy of us just because that's how election administration goes and trump was saying. Let's just take the results as they aren't election day here. He wants to freeze time when he's in the lead But in fact We do see the shift. Not An affair is reason for it. But if you're inclined to believe those conspiracy theories you may indeed find that. There's something problematic about it. Okay so rick. Having focused laser focused on Michigan's problems and specifically maybe Detroit's problems. Is there some glimmer of hope here to be gleaned. Well you're not gonNA find it for me but you might find it from Jocelyn Benson the former election law professor and and Law School Dean Now she's a secretary of State of Michigan and I should pause for a second. Say We've been talking about secretaries of state What are they? They're the chief election officers officers of the state but they don't actually get to run the elections in each state because those elections are run on a county or even sub county level out but they do have some control over. How elections Iran on so Benson literally wrote the book on Secretaries of State and called secretaries of state guardians of the democratic process which I think is more aspirational racial But she's now In charge I asked her about some of the concerns. Raised by Joel Kurth. And here's what she has to say in twenty any sixteen the heart of the errors pork or based Human error poll workers making errors in the way they left records of ballots after they were cast And the human errors were identified in the recount process The integrity of the election itself was not in question. I in fact it just underscored again in my view. The examples the types of examples of mistakes that human beings can make when they're running the election process so they're useful points of reference for US also as we train our election workers for future elections and part of the reason. Frankly why I've made recruiting and training porkers across the state One of my priorities for preparing for twenty twenty and across the country particularly in urban areas. We need to do more to recruit and train a talented workforce of election workers on election day to ensure they are prepared to follow the law and And protect the process of the vote are places like Michigan and Florida and Georgia have. They learned what they need to know. Oh and they they geared up and ready to do November twenty twenty right. Well I have more hope than do optimism. If you you asked election ministries in two thousand twelve with the biggest problem. They might face in two thousand sixteen would be. They might not have said Russian operatives trying to hack into our voter registration databases which. There's something that we know happened. Sometimes you're fighting the last war so now there's a lot of concern about cybersecurity but we've got a lot of places that are rolling out brand new voting machines funds being used for the first time. It's like premiering your new play straight to Broadway you know high risk there and so You know I'm not sure what the the future is going to hold. I know that there are a lot of good people with good intentions. Who are trying to make elections better but but not everyone and some people are trying to make things worse so in the book a collection meltdown? I conjured up. Kind of worst case. Scenario and the worst case scenario is Rather than those isolated power outages Joe Kurth talks about in Detroit. How `bout if there's a cyber attack.
"joe kurth" Discussed on Amicus with Dahlia Lithwick
"That was a pretty bizarre episode of chopper. Talk Right there There was no evidence that Brenda snipes ever tried to steal election. There was only evidence of incompetence not sure how. GPS Fusion worked. Its way in there. It's kind of a web of conspiracy theories Lead as far as the Ukraine Colin impeachment. But no evidence of rigging the vote vote just your good old fashioned incompetence but Democrats In a tough spot in terms of how they respond to such attacks because they don't want to call out it's Their own people for messing things up. Listen to Joe Kurth from Michigan's Bridge magazine again and you can hear that dynamic that we saw in Broward County also play out in Michigan. Obviously this is their base. It's largely minority. You don't want to accuse them of being incompetent and you want to respect their autonomy it. It opens the Democrats up to accusations of incompetence that you see of Republicans accusing Democrats of rigging elections. When a lot of times? uh-huh these are sort of really simple mistakes. But they can't have good explanations for why they occurred. It wasn't just a trade. A lot of the heavily. Urban counties had similar problems as Detroit. There is a genesee county which is Flint I believe Saginaw County had similar problems. This very pernicious a symmetry here when Democrats have problems with incompetence. They're accused of voter fraud. They're accused of stealing the election and Republicans. Look the other way when the incompetence this happening opening in Republican areas and so I think you know the the double standard gets applied once again. I think it's a real balancing act. I think in in urban areas. Obviously they're dealing with many problems in decades and decades of disinvestment that that lead to some voting irregularities on on wider scales. I will say though to that. It's it's not any different than what's happening on on smaller scales in rural places. It's just a matter volume but but but let's be clear in. This goes back to the fundamental point of your book that whether we're talking about incompetence in election administration in Democratic areas in Republican controlled areas and to be sure Georgia has had some very serious problems which we'll talk about in a later show in this series but the effect overwhelmingly is the same name which is it undermines confidence in the electoral process. And it's easier to believe a conspiracy theory than to believe. Incompetence is the the soul. 'cause the fact of matter is that when elections are administered badly when there are problems it can have a profound effect on people's trust. The Green Party is convinced that elections are stolen systematically in Detroit And I think on the other side the Conservatives do as well and I think that the vast merge middle the eighty five percent in the middle have a sort of a shoulder shrug of. That's just how things happen. Sometimes in Detroit. It's not a great way to run a democracy. Moxie I mean you want you want ultimate like utmost faith that your vote's going to count and unfortunately especially in Detroit in sometimes in Michigan. That's just he. He can't always be sure. That's the case. So here's the problem when things go wrong and places like Broward County Detroit in Georgia the news media and interested I.
"joe kurth" Discussed on Biz Talk Radio
"And one bad one bathroom with a bath tub and the other bathroom with shower. Yes. That also doubles as. Powder room because it's it's convenient for the second bedroom. But it's also convenient when you have guests visiting as we have had. In fact, we're expecting a knock at the door anytime soon. And when that happens, we probably you're going to hear the melodic cords of the lyrical. Aaron go worth our English Springer spaniel who is here with us at the pavilion Grand Hotel. And we're here if you're just joining us because they have just done their soft announcement. So the big news has not come down in a big splashy way. But as soon as I heard that they are now dog friendly dog welcoming at the pavilion Grand Hotel in Saratoga springs. New york. I said, oh, gosh, Suzanne we are. We are grab Suzanne get it. Right. We are grabbing Aaron go off. And we are heading your way to test it out. I love it. Tell you loved. I mean, she she doesn't snore on us. What are we doing? Good. She is just she's found over right now. She's cuddled up next to me over four happy on this rug. Although you provided a very nice dog Matt with two bowls one for food one for winter and the doggie bed. Yes. But she's very independent girl. And she's going to stay next to tell you. It's funny. I have gone to pet welcoming places where we have traveled with Molly and bow and with teddy bear. And sometimes it was the three of them. Molly Bowen teddy bear and Chesterfield N Hershey, and every dog we ever had going back to, sir. Timothy dog fell to Jesus by the way, DOJ he was an Irish setter travel with a baby in an Irish setter. Oh, my then complained to me about the inefficiencies of travel, and I'll just laugh at you. But. Every dog. I've ever had has made the assumption that the bed in the in the accommodation is for them. And they're kind enough to allow us to sleep there too. Aaron is the first dog I've had since I was a teenager. When I had a dog would not get in bed. And it's really disappointing. Honestly. But where she one of my other dogs that talk that would be superfluous. But it's so superfluous. She's so happy on your carpet. She's enjoying herself. She really is. She hasn't gotten on the furniture at all. Which is she has a lot of oddities. She's a wonderfully behaved dog. Oh, she is. And she's so gentle, doggy etiquette. Yes. I mean, we have to drive through a fast food place and pick up their their their little chicken medallion things. She loves those. So and if you put your app your fingers around it when you give it to her pieces known visas, she is so gentle, taking it out of your hands. Like, you can kind of feel there, but they're not snapping at you trained. Well, that's wonderful. I don't I think she arrived that way. She's a rescue dog. She was three years and eleven months in July when we got her and she had her fourth birthday, August fifteenth, and she has a sweet and gentle nicest, she could be, but she comes with all kinds of post traumatic stress disorder. Anything more start? She's a 'fraidy cat. But and that's why you'll make you happy sounds because she wants to alert. You don't come near me. Right. But only if it's a man with a beard, otherwise, she's receptive to everybody. She was very welcoming. Yeah. She's a honeybear really enjoying the place, and she goes nicely with that. They core. Yes. I think she could be our next fashion model for. You know for the longest time the Pfister hotel in Milwaukee. Would point when Joe Kurth for those of you in the midwest to no joke earth, who's now the general manager of the Morris in on the campus of Notre Notre Dame in south bend, Indiana. I used to be the GM of the Pfister in Milwaukee, and they had just become a dog friendly hotel. And we when that happened. I had we flew out. And I had my son drive in from San Francisco with teddy bear. Who was one of our time three Springer spaniels, and we gave him teddy. Because teddy decided he was the alpha male and wanted to eat both daddy was four years younger and fifteen pounds lighter. It didn't matter. And so they fell in love with teddy bear also an English Springer spaniel fabulous breed, and they decided that they were is there's somebody with knocking somebody who the beard. Jim Rossi is arrived have seat. You've got a little bit of a beard. Are there enough to be growled out? Jim Rossi who is the head of all kinds of fancy titles, including chief marketing officer, that's the one that sticks of the polo association of America. And the has the Saratoga polo. Well, it's spa. What SPA it's Sarah Apollo association here in Saratoga springs, and he's come over to visit with Soviet talking with him later, but in any event. And could you just got to grumble? Muster. Yeah. But they fell in love with Hetty bear out at the Pfister hotel. And so they used to refer to him as the mascot. We have a wonderful portrait photo of him out in front of the towel. Temples way of doing that. They just well, you know, you know. The Fairmont Copley plaza in Boston. Yes. Doorman? Was very involved with the guy somebody from guide dog association. And there was a dog named Katie who was being retired as a guide dog, and he took hurry adopted her, but he didn't want to leave her home. So the hotel allowed him to bring Katie to work, and they built a little doggy house, and they put a nice big fluffy kind of a Matt inside. And you will always see Katie either outside if he was on duty Katie would be there, or if the weather was miserable or whatever she likes to lay down by the front desk. The concierge. They're welcoming committee. Well, they decided because you mentioned earlier that you know, people were missing their dogs and they were travelling in. This is the reason that you decided to go with what you bring your dog and come back. Yes. What they did was if you I don't know that you can bring your pet there. I'm not sure I don't think you can most people don't. But if you're missing your dog, you can take Katie for a walk. He just sign up with the Belmont or the concierge for a time, and you can take Katie for a walk. You can go for a jog with Katie. You could just sit on the floor and play with her. She'll come visit you in your room. Oh my goodness. It's very cool. Now retired from that. And they have another dog. But you know, it's the humanizing of the being away from home syndrome. It just makes you feel like you're still an intact family, and you're still there with the the ones that you love you haven't left that home space, and I think that's just the most wonderful thing. Yeah. Well, you know, I always say you see that black sack with wheels over there. That's my office and the offices wherever I am. I have everything I need to do whatever I need to do wherever in the world. I am. And. So people ask me where my office is in my answer is generally wherever I am. Yes. Where the officers, but it's the same thing with home. If the family unit is intact. Your home wherever you are. That's right. And you're comfortable, you are enjoying yourself on a level that you wouldn't otherwise. Well, I'm really glad you were able to make time for us. And I know you are on a crazy busy schedule today. And I really appreciate that. You were able to come and spend some time delight hang out with Aaron go Waffen say, hi, Jim was waiting in the wings here. And so I wanna thank you very much the website again pavilion Grand, Hotel dot.