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He thinks the lack of head movement Just the constant coming forward is just gonna play right to Jaley Zhang strengths in your opinion More likely do we get a repeat or do we get revenge in this fight? I think it's far more likely that you get a repeat. Yeah, I think that you know, Zhang is right Joyce is one-dimensional. I don't think that you know, he would ever I mean he might say that he's not but that is his game It is its pressure its volume and it's the ability to absorb shots Joyce to me. I mean, yeah, he lost that fight and he got busted up What he was actually doing in there didn't look all that different for what he's done in every single fight of his pro career But the difference is that his face wasn't able to hold up anymore You know, we talked, you know on his run-up. We talked about how yeah, this guy is the juggernaut He could just take shots and it doesn't seem to affect him Well at a certain point your body does give out at a certain point, you know Your eye socket will just get busted and now that it has happened to him I do, you know, I don't want I don't worry about his punch resistance in the conventional sense I worry is his face going to hold up, you know, is his eye gonna hold up? Is that good it you know has he now cross the the other side of that bridge where yeah He can still absorb punches, but you know, he just can't hold it together anymore And you know what adjustments realistically is Joe joy is going to make in this camp Like is it possible right? Is it possible that he comes in and steamrolls wrong, you know Hurts him early and wins the fight. Of course, it's possible But I just there there's no way that Joyce is gonna add, you know some startling new dimension to his game It's suddenly be you know, like a springy back foot jabber in this fight. He's not gonna do that There's not enough time for him gonna do that. Like that's just not in his DNA as a fighter So I think it's far more likely that we see a repeat then Joyce, you know The joys pulling the the upset here and getting that win back. I just I don't know It's just not realistic to expect anything Fantastically new from Joyce in this rematch a couple things Jay Li Zhang is really good. Like he's 40 years old got a late start in his pro career, but he's really good I think people got down on him after watching the draw against Jerry Forrest But there were a lot of things that went into that You know Some weird stuff was going on with Jay Li Zhang that week to the point where I think he said That he only dragged one glass of water the entire week He was down in South Florida just a bizarre week where he wasn't physically ready To go into that fight the loss to Philip her gavitch could have gone either way and her gavitch at that time Was the boogeyman nobody wanted to fight Philip her gavitch going into that fight Zhang did and if that fight had gone one more round He probably would have won that fight by knockout because Zhang looked like the stronger fighter in the second half Where his her gavitch just looked like he had faded so credit to Jay Li Zhang One thing Joe Joyce has said to me and to others is that he's gonna come into this fight heavier now He's a heavyweight. So you wonder why he's coming in lighter in the first place, but he weighed 256 For the first fight against John. He hasn't weighed that light since his win over Bryant Jennings back in 2019 Joe Joyce is accustomed to fighting at 270 even in the 280s He's just a big guy that you know likes to be on the heavier side For whatever reason he decided to come in a little bit lighter. Maybe to be a little more nimble I don't know what the reason rationale was for it, but he came in a little bit lighter for that fight He's gonna come in He says to 70s to 80s for this fight And I think that's gonna be a benefit to him because when he's been at his best That win over Joseph Parker some of the other ones he's had in his career. He has been on the heavier side So I think that's a plus for Joe Joyce I also think you know The I look if you if you leave yourself open for those slashing lefts like you're done. You're done. I do think Joe Underestimated John I think went into that fight thing. This guy's 40. Yeah, he looked okay against You know against Philip Perkovich, but he's not in my league. I think he got a little too cocksure about that fight and It reflected in the ring. Definitely not coming into that with that attitude this time And I think he still looked good enough in that first fight with his pressure and he was landing some shots That I can see a pathway to win here. I can I think if you're Joe Joyce, you know, this is it What's he 37 38 years old like this is this is it for you those two fights in the road to J. Lee young Your career can continue but you're a gatekeeper at that point your chances of competing for a world title are probably out the window So I think he's gonna be in better condition I think he's going to be a little bit smarter after going those six rounds with John And I think he's going to have a little more respect for John coming into this fight I'm gonna it doesn't sound like it should be an upset. But right now I think it is I think I think John is the favorite but I'm gonna pick Joyce to win this fight by upset I think he's I think the desperation will get to him and have a better game plan and I think he'll be The more physical guy in the ring and take it to John. Yeah, it's also possible that you know That was the best that we'll ever see from John and you know because of where he is On his biological clock. He could fall off a cliff as well. It's not of course It's not impossible that Joyce wins this rematch at all And if he feels more physically comfortable coming in a little bit heavier, then certainly that will help him I also think that you know, I don't know that this was his mentality But I know this was my thinking going into the first fight was that you know having seen John You know kind of labor in the past and of course the forest fight was a you know A very, you know outlier of a situation and he had some medical things going on But seeing him in that fight even seeing him against Philip Perkovic, you know Kind of struggling with his stamina later in the fight You know one thing that Joyce has always been lauded for is that he has a bigger gas tank Maybe than anyone in the heavyweight division. He could throw and throw and throw. He's not gonna get tired I think he felt that he was probably just gonna run this guy out of the ring and I think that he now knows at least that it's a lot more complicated than that and that John Isn't he might only throw about 18 punches around but what he throws is technically perfect. It's right down the pipe It's to a point and right, you know, and that's everything that left hand that left hand straight down the middle John has Some of the biggest hands I've ever seen like he has got absolute bricks sounds like hyperbole But he has monster hands and when he throws that left hand straight down the middle if you're just gonna stand there and take it I don't care who you are. I don't care what kind of chin you think you have You're gonna get knocked out simple as that We're gonna get broken like Joyce was and you're gonna wind up in the same spot Yeah, it may be the most anatomically perfect left hand in the sport Seriously, it comes right from the shoulder right down the middle and he could he can hurt anyone in the world with that And Joyce knows that now it's not just it's not just a pure hustle game. So I'm intrigued by the rematch But yeah, I don't expect a a drastically different Joe Joyce I just think that maybe as you're saying if he prepares a little bit differently You know, maybe he is able to get to John and break him down, but I'm still probably leaning toward John Well through to that fight on Saturday afternoon in the u.s. You can catch it on ESPN plus Joe Joyce again Jay Li Zhang stick around later flip over to de zone for Richton Hitchens against Jose Zepeda Cory Aardman We'll be on the call with myself and Chris Algieri Cory good stuff, man We'll see you down in Orlando later in the week. 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You didn't lose again Until this past summer which of those defeats was harder for you to take definitely zang because it was I actually had a physical reason why the fight was stopped and Yeah, there's obviously the Olympics was massive thing But I was very happy that I medaled like if I'd gone into the Olympics thinking I wouldn't that I was gonna medal and get a silver medalist. I'll be going moon. Oh, that's cool. But but like cuz it was like So close to got a gold and I coulda that could have changed Maybe put an extra zero on like selling on Motors and little bit of glossy of being a gold medalist, but um, yeah that that happened But yeah, the zang zang the biggest fight to date I mean it was one that I should have cruised through and got the victory and that was with a W Title interim title on the line. There's big risk taking that fight and then I managed to Still be in there But is the only only stop because I think it like knocked out or anything is only stopped because of the ice walled up And the doctor looked at it twice even I could see a little bit out of it. It was it was stopped. So It's a fight another day, but I thought I was in the fight Toward, you know, I was starting to get my range and get the shots off and then But I did keep getting tagged with that I were getting shot in the eye by Zang and Zang's surprised me actually with his speed and his power I knew he's gonna be strong and pattern and powerful. He seems pretty durable as well, but Um He was very accurate that night and he got the win now I gave this big risk by taking that fight in the first place, but I did it anyway, and It's now it's time to just get back what like to the position that I was in before that when the fight was stopped What was your reaction when when it was is hard because like I was still I still You know, I was learning more shots than him. I was I think I was up on the scorecards, even though the only the telling shots were Zang's a bit more powerful ones that were Doing damage to the eye, but I felt like I was still in there and I was just getting warmed into the fight More so and I didn't feel tired or too like Hurt or anything so when it was it was kind of out of my control because it was the referee took the second look at it and called it off, but even though I could like count how many fingers he was is holding up, but it kind of Was a tough lesson to learn and something that I've had to make changes that will improve Improve me in the early in the long in the long run because I guess some fight if I'd Been a lighter my career lightest for that fight and won the fight and not really learn much then that would have been you know Then that's something that it would like stuff would have got overlooked and like going into the harder fights I mean even this is a very hard fight And i'm taking him on again. It kind of sets me up in like In a way that kind of makes me better as a fighter you see fighters after losses make changes. Sometimes they are Radical changes where they change trainers change up their team. Sometimes they're More subtle changes, uh, what kind of changes have you made going into this fight more changes not changes to the team, but maybe I have more say in like the training and Also Dave Uh, my team has like noticed what? areas that can be improved they improved And it's you know a lot lots of little things little pieces bits and pieces, but when you put them together, it's a big Big chunk of things that have changed really in this camp. I'm a lot more focused and dedicated in what I'm what I need to do and it's kind of a lesson learned and Be a kick up the back side this uh, it will help me grow in the long run You mentioned in a couple of interviews that you're a little bit heavier this time around you weighed 256 for the first fight against zang. That's the lowest weight you've been Since you fought brian jennings back in 2019 um What do you expect to come in at for this fight? And what do you want to weigh? What is an ideal weight for you? Like 270 plus I would imagine or like 280 maybe but like I felt like like I started camp on my fighting on my boxing weight that i'm comfortable at and it was hard to But it's because I was I was disciplined as well like I wanted to I wanted to be a lighter weight so I could move around a lot more and um, that is the kind of ideal weight that because normally Like for parker for instance, I was a little bit over the weight that I should have been that was my optimum weight But it was a great performance. So, um and like I kind of wanted to start the camp already on like in good shape and um but yeah, there's there's a lot lots of mistakes and things and little bits and pieces that I had to correct some lessons that I had to learn as I was saying so, um All those are going to stand me in good stead for this fight this rematch Yeah And usually when you see a fighter come in at a low weight or a career low weight the reaction's always wow He's in the best shape of his life. Did you feel The other way did you feel like you just operate better when you're a heavier fighter? uh, i'd noticed in there that zhang was like a lot more sturdy and It's hard to like move him when I was in close and I was kind of felt like I was about almost bouncing off and My punches maybe not as as as effective as they would have been Being heavier. So yeah, um And also the tactics and what i've been working on like the small changes to that and um Just having a bit more control of my training and what I what i'm actually doing and it Maybe these changes had to happen to to get to the next stage you exercise your rematch clause Which you had in the contract immediately after the fight Joe you heard from frank and maybe a couple of other people that maybe it was possible. You would take an interim fight before Taking on zhang in the rematch in your mind Was this always what was going to be next or was there any thought given to doing a fight in between? no, there wasn't uh, like especially after the fight and You're looking at history of other fighters that have Gone in again and not and it's not gone their way So that was that was a conscious thing and like it's like food for thought of like what what i'm gonna do and I decided that especially at this stage of the career this stage of my career, I don't have time to like um You know mess about so I need to just get in there and I felt I could I could win the fight first time And maybe I overlooked him a little bit and was thinking about the next steps But it's only natural when everyone's like this is what everyone's talking about who you fighting next and blah blah and oh, you've got a big chin Uh, you kind of take your off Naturally, it's hard to like stay focused and dedicated and um You know where if you don't think there's a problem Like so if i'd cruised on to win the fight, um, even at that weight Then maybe I wouldn't make make the changes that I needed to for the next stage Not to dramatize what's already a Huge fight and a significant fight in your career, but for you Is this the closest thing to a must-win there is you're 37 years old You're looking to get that world heavyweight title shot. Is this a must-win fight for you? Yeah, I said that last time it's a it's a must-win and um Yeah, all these fights but it's something that maybe perhaps needed to happen to For me to grow and to get Get to the next stage, but it is zang. Um, zang is a big risk a big risky fight fighter and this is um, i've decided to Take it take him on again, but I believe i'll beat him this time. So And that'll put me right back in line for the the title shots when they get called because the ibf's up next and then Wbo so Once I get the wo interim back then i'll there'll be nothing nothing major have changed I'll still um be Right in time to grab my shot before I let you go Uh, I saw you at the tyson fury francis the ghanu press conference in london this past week. Um This is a fight that's been criticized by a lot of people as being you know, a disgrace to heavyweight boxing whether it's anthony Out there about this you are a heavyweight contender you want one of those belts How do you feel about fury versus the ghanu? My initial surprise was the the usic I mean fury usic fight or usic fury fight wasn't going to take place for the undisputed Um, but i'm happy for ingano getting a shot and it's he started off in boxing and he's going to make Good money from it. So and it's also um with mike tyson in the mix is it's becoming It's becoming a spectacle and boxing is entertainment at the end of the day. So, you know with all the youtube boxes and stuff people You know paying money good money to see to see these fights and also even like the older fighters are Fighting again. So it's like if people want to get some entertainment from it then um, then yeah, I support it and especially in saudi They're putting it on and they're putting up the money so i'd love to fight in saudi one of these days and like an interesting fight because it Is a big big build up um in london I saw tv screens and see engado come fury talk and and I is uh is It's building up to be a big spectacle and I think yeah saudi's um hosting hosting the boxing now And also vegas with sport in general They got all the sports team a lot of sports team more sports team the formula one and stuff. So Yeah, it's exciting times for sport Yeah, vegas one nba team away from being a uh, a fully integrated Sports town out there. Uh, you did say you you've sparred with meganu before a lot of skepticism about what he's going to be able to do Against tyson fury give me one reason give people one reason to believe that francis naganu has a shot one reason he hits really hard So in especially in heavyweight boxing it only takes one shot one shot to change a fight the course of the fight and I think Engano possesses that power Explosiveness to like if he can hit if he can get in range and hit him with Yeah hit with one of them like earth shaking shots he could like change the course of the fight So yeah, we'll have to have to wait and see you watch it and see how it goes because yeah, it's um, you know two worlds a ufc It'll get a lot of eyeballs on it no question whether it's in saudi arabia or anywhere It's uh, those those fights no matter what they always draw out All different types of fans that everybody wants to make a whole bunch of money out of it As well joe good to catch up with you, man The first fight with you and zhang was was really interesting I think it's going to be can't miss when you guys get in the ring once again Good luck to you, and I appreciate you taking some time. 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"joe joyce" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"You've got to show you've got something at a high level I know he you know he believed that a Canelo fight was gonna be in the offing when he signed with matchroom that was obviously disappointing but While a Munguia fight is nowhere near as lucrative It's more winnable. I think that's for sure like Munguia a very good offensive fighter But we saw in the fifth round of his fight with Sergei Derevinchenko He almost got stopped and Derevinchenko is a faded former middleweight contender So don't tell me Edgar Berlanga can't win that fight. Like I believe he can so I'm of the opinion that Edgar Berlanga has to find a way to say yes. He has to find a way to Feel like the money is enough for him to fight Jaime Munguia Maybe it's not gonna be exactly what he wants to be It's not gonna be in the three four million dollar range but he's got to find a way to take a couple of million bucks or whatever it is and get in the ring with Jaime Munguia Because and you can say the same thing about Jaime Munguia as well. That's a separate conversation. He's Another guy that desperately needs a top-level opponent These two guys need each other and I think both of them have to find a way to say yes What do you think? I think they I think you're exactly right I think they do need one another and I think that they make for a fantastic fight I think you and I have talked about this fight about three times on this podcast about how It just makes sense for both fighters, but it also makes for compelling television They both have fan bases that they bring to the table and for I think for both fighters Maybe more so for Berlanga because Munguia did you know just kind of have to prove his mettle in that Derevinchenko fight at the very least but Berlanga I think is now past the point where I Think he's at a point where he has to prove it a little bit more it in the early stages of his career Obviously, there was a lot of hype around him and people are willing to give him a little bit of a leash in terms of Proving himself, but now I think that Berlanga in terms of the court of public opinion. He's just in in full-blown skepticism territory and In order to convince people I think he needs a win like this and there aren't too many other fights out there That would do that for him and and particularly ones that would be all that profitable. So, of course I Empathize with any fighter trying to get a good deal what they think is worth it for taking a particular risk But I don't know what the other super lucrative fights are are out there for Berlanga and you know Let's say we're talking about, you know, 1.5 2 million dollars. Let's say to fight Jaime Munguia. I mean, that's a pretty good deal I don't know where else you're gonna get that You'll you'll have to fight two three times to do that But you might want to take a chance and I think if your match room You probably want to find out what you have right now because yeah There isn't that Canelo cash out fight for him on the table anymore You probably want to find out what you have and what better way to do it than in a fight like this that also Wouldn't be destructive to either fighter if they lost it because I think it would be an exciting fight no matter what and both fighters Would would get credit for taking the fight I think it would be positive PR win or lose for either fighter both these guys are in their mid-20s and I think we have to Move past the idea that a perfect record is the end-all be-all You know, I've seen many guys gain something from a loss and even if you lose and you're a little down your luck Well, all it takes is one or two fights to get right back at the top And I mean, I think look guy like tefima Lopez a great example 2019 he loses to George kambosis things look like they're falling apart for him He comes back moves up and wait to 140 now. He's talking about him as the number one guy in 140 pound division So I think we've got to move past this idea that guys need to be undefeated And you know, look, I think there's a perception among some people that Mongea would just steamroll them And look Berlanga did not look great against Jason Quigley, but Quigley was more of a mover Bert monkey is not right. He is gonna be there and he's gonna want to brawl with you And you know Edgar Berlanga, if nothing else has shown he has pop at that weight class. So I'd love to see it I think Berlanga has got to find a way to do it's gonna be interesting to see how that those Negotiations play out over the next couple of days and into the next couple of weeks because if if those guys reject each other What do you want to see them in like golden boys got nothing for Jaime Mongea Like you're gonna do a John Ryder fight like that doesn't do anything for me That's that to me is just as dangerous for Mongea as as Berlanga is, you know, if you're Berlanga you know all the top talents over at PBC and again, I know you thought that a Canelo fight was gonna be there but it's not so time to recalculate and have kind of your king-making moment Against time imma get we if you win that fight all of a sudden then you could start calling out Canelo You can start saying like look Canelo. I know you got business over at PBC, but I'll be waiting like I just beat time imma In trying to make that fight happen because that's an excellent fight a meaningful fight for both those guys Alright, so, you know Lando. No good. Sorry. I was just gonna say I mean when you say that they need one another Not only they need one another because the win would be great on the resume But Chris, I think there might be there are no two fighters at the sport I don't think this is hyperbole here that people love to slap that the hype job tag on then those two fighters Every you know every thread On Twitter on message boards about either of these two fighters is about out, you know, they're gonna get exposed You know, they this they're just a product of matchmaking They have a chance to silence some of that and and it would be through one another and by making any other decision right now I think you're just feeding in To that narrative and and you're confirming what people believe about you So they need to make they don't make this fight as much for just making the fight and saying hey I'm willing to do this as what the results of it would do for them. I'm in McGee is 42 and oh, he's 42 and oh and His most meaningful win was what Liam Smith? Yeah, I mean it's wild it's wild both these guys have made a lot of money and add a lot of success against lesser opposition Now is the time to find out what they both got now is the time not six months from now Not eight months from now right now before the end of the year We need to get high memo Gia and Edgar Berlanga in the ring against each other Alright, so we will be down in Orlando for the card headline by rich traditions and Jose's Apata Zepeda most people remember from a couple of things the absolutely absolute bonkers war where both guys got knocked down like 47 times and if that's the fight that eventually You know got the you put him on on the radar there So you got Jose's Apata against Richardson Hitchens and That is it's a big fight thing for Richard Hitchens to kind of show Where he is in the lightweight devar the junior. Well junior welterweight division He's a guy with a great jab coming off a terrific win over John Bowser in his last fight MSG knocked him down a couple of times one wide and all three scorecards Richardson Hitchens believes he is already a contender at 140 do you see him right now as a contender at 140? I think that he is Very capable of standing in there with with any of those guys at 140 right now now Does that mean that he has the resume to be concerned to be considered a contender? I mean you could debate that but you know depending on how you want to qualify who's in contention or not I think that he is I think that Hitchens has a set of skills that is going to be a Problem for anyone at 140 and it's the opposite set of skills the very opposite of what we were talking about with Williams Apata who by by virtue of volume and Physicality is gonna be a nightmare of a night for anyone well, Richardson Hitchens has an a plus plus plus jab and Guys that have that that can move that left hand around and do a lot with it They can make any fight ugly and also Hitchens has shown You know kind of an attitude a defiant attitude and a willingness to make ugly fights He says I don't care if you can't get past my jab. What are you gonna do about it? I he's willing to kind of be the bad guy and isn't compelled to make mistakes in there He's willing to play that safe game and with his dimensions and with the way that he can use that left hand He could be a nightmare for anyone He's very very sure of himself In talking to guys that have sparred with him and in talking to Chris Algieri you sparred extensively with them You know, he said like those are just not fun sessions No one looks forward to getting in the ring with Richardson Hitchens So yeah I think that this is someone that could be a problem for anyone and this is the perfect test for him and an established contender someone who will Threaten to bring something more out of him But if Hitchens can nullify someone like Zepeda Then I think we could be pretty certain of how dangerous he could be in this division. I agree On Hitchens. He's a guy had spent extensive time not just sparring with Chris Algieri, but also Shakur Stevenson who has been a long time training partner of his I'm not exactly sure if they trained together for this fight, but you know They did train together for the last one and that was the best we've seen from Richardson Hitchens I think it's starting to come into his prime right now He's a you know, 5 foot 10 140 pounder with a wicked jab. I mean you can just win just with those attributes I know you want to get knockouts and be spectacular But if you're tall long with an absolute piston rod of a jab, you're gonna have a lot of success in that division I think Zepeda is the right fight for him. I know Richardson Hitchens wanted that Montana love fight We kind of all did because there's been some bad blood between those two I don't I don't think Montana love really wants that fight anytime soon He's had a couple of opportunities to have that fight But Hitchens now gets Zepeda who's been right there kind of on the cusp of a world championship He lost a narrow decision to Jose Ramirez back in 2019 a controversial decision No less that was in Ramirez's backyard in Fresno and was a controversial finish. Then he lose the progre I thought I just fought the wrong fight against progre Corey. I thought like not to ever ever try to Get someone to fight in the same way, what was his name the guy that just beat progre We both called that fight in New Orleans. What was I'm blanking on his name. We'll think of it in a second But it was awful that the reason I remember his name is because the fight was so damn dreadful but that's You know boxing and moving is how you potentially beat a guy like Regis progre engaging with him is not and I know Zepeda has got kind of that that pride in him and wants to engage but That wasn't smart against Regis Pro He came back got a win so perfectly reasonable fight for Richardson Hitchens as as he tries to take his game To the next level so that might it's my long way of answering I do think this guy's a contender and I think this fight Against Zepeda if he makes it look as easy as he did Against John Bowser in his last fight, which is a tall task. Zepeda is a lot better than Bowser We're gonna be talking about a real contender. He kind of reminds me a little bit and you know not to get too complimentary We're talking about a guy that was you know, it's still coming up versus now the undisputed lightweight champion But he rides a little Devon Haney, you know, Devon Haney is more boxer than puncher He's a guy that operates behind a really good jab I think Devon's more dynamic, but I think Richardson Hitchens is gonna have a chance to To be really tough and world title fights in the real near future if he wins this fight on Saturday Yeah, and by the name that we're both forgetting was Dentalito Zaria. I've also tried to block that fight in my memory There are 20 punches landed in that fight and that was entirely Zaria's fault, you know, yeah how we fought that fight I mean listen, we want to do that No We had to fill airtime by talking about faints and you know things things that weren't happening. That was didn't look forward to that Yeah, don't ever want to relive that one. But you know to your point was Zepeda I mean, you know what he did against program. He was just playing to his strengths I mean Zepeda wants to be aggressive and I think that Yes, there as we've seen with Zaria there is a path to you know Being super negative and winning a fight against Regis program but that's not really in Zepeda's DNA and it's because of that that this is a nice matchup for Hitchens and If Zepeda can start to get close to him with more regularity than we've seen anyone get close to Hitchens Then maybe we'll see some of the other tools a little more from Hitchens as well Oh, you know we're talking about him as kind of you know Fort Knox of a jab or that you can't get past that lead hand but you know maybe Zepeda forces him to show some other tools with a little bit more regularity and that could be fun to see as well because ultimately Hitchens Won't be able to just jab his way, you know to a lengthy run as a title holder He is gonna have to show a little bit more and this is the type of fight where perhaps we will Get to see what he's capable of and and that I think will Give us a clearer picture of what his ceiling actually is Look Zepeda has three losses in his career and all three have been at or near The world championship level lost Terry Flanagan over in the UK He lost Jose Ramirez in Ramirez's backyard and then he lost to Regis program by 11th round knockout So he he's taken some some lumps But the guys that have beat him been the very best, you know in and around their weight class So he's a live dog, I think in this fight against Richardson Hitchens Enjoy all your favorite sports like never before with BetMGM sign up using code champion and receive up to $1,500 back in bonus bets if you don't win your first bet when you register with BetMGM You'll get instant access to a variety of parlay selection features live betting options player props and the best daily Promotions in the business and with BetMGM at your fingertips every play and every game matter more than ever Place your money line prop and parlay bets with the king of sportsbooks today BetMGM and game sense reminds you to play Responsibly and offer resources to help you make appropriate choices BetMGM.com for T's and C's 21 plus to wager Virginia only new customer offer all promotions are subject to qualification and eligibility Requirements rewards issued as non withdrawal bonus bets bonus bets expire seven days from issuance Please gamble responsibly gambling problem.
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"Yeah, I love Williams a beta I've loved him ever since I saw him for the first time fight on that ring city series during the pandemic and you know He really has come a long way since then I mean earned his place in the Golden Boy stable with that win over Tana Hara Tana Hara at that point was You could argue he was the a side of that fight He was the prospect at that time Williams a paid it went in and and beat him down pretty badly He's only done great things since then I do I do think Williams a paid as good as he is is Vulnerable to one specific type of fighter. I think the paid is vulnerable to power counter punches or guys that can punch in between punches We haven't seen Zepeda in against those guys yet a Tana Hara can't punch Renee Alvarado can't punch not at 135 anyway Jojo Diaz not a puncher, you know, even mercito has to not a puncher he hasn't been in with that guy, but that type of guy and You know good for Golden Boy for you know Leak guiding him in the way that they have but I do want to see what happens when Zepeda goes in with a counter puncher because he leaves himself a little bit open their core I don't know how much you you were picking up on that during the fight or how much you you buy into that but You know when I see Zepeda just unfurl, you know, eight ten twelve punch combinations, which are just you know majestic to watch at times not to get too carried away, but He's open and if he goes up against a guy Let's use your Vonta Davis as an example and that might be the most extreme extreme because he's probably the best Counter puncher not just in the lighter divisions, but all the boxing when it comes to power. I think he has a problem there I do I think he's gonna have to learn To be a little more defensive because when I like has to a couple of times during that fight I saw him clip Zepeda with counter shots. And if you're getting clipped by has to punch that's one thing if you're going in with a Gervonta Davis a Shakur Stevenson if you move up and wait, maybe Ryan Garcia could be in his future that's something you've got to be wary of I mean how significant a a I don't call it an issue because he's undefeated and he's dominating but you know How much of that is a kind of weakness in his game at this point? I mean that that is his weakness and that is that's the conceit that he's allowing here because if you are gonna throw 120 punches your hands aren't gonna be anywhere near your face most of the time That's just it. You can't really have it both ways now. Can he make some adaptations? Maybe carry his hands a little bit higher You know dip the volume down a little bit places punches a little bit more Maybe you know, maybe he can you know that the Williams the pay to the fought? Jojo Diaz when the bulk of his punches that he was throwing were jabs That's that's a little more defensively responsible version of willing to pay that but I think against Hesta He decided that he didn't have to do that at all I mean when you look at the the numbers that he was putting up that round three in particular Landing 79 punches in a round and I think 69 of them were power punches That's that's a full-on selling out for volume and power and it's a lot of fun to watch But yeah, of course, I mean so paid it does get in and he got hit by Hesta but he was just able to walk through it and He showed a good chin in doing that but we have seen Williams have paid a buzz before so there is a little bit of vulnerability but you know, I want to go back to that performance because it it That wasn't just a guy who was retreating to the ropes and just was there to be hit That was a pretty good fighter in Brazil has to who was throwing back and was landing good sharp shots And Zepeda was able to throw nonetheless So that was that's that's not you know, looking at the the undercard, you know Darius Folger and fought like Ricardo Luna and I think you texted me afterwards something about Luna. I'm with Ricardo Yeah, right, like that's that's a pun. You know, I've seen some people say yeah, it's impressive But you know, he was in there with a punching bag. We're seeing oh Hesta's not a punching bag He had ideas. He just ran out of real estate He was throwing punches Mercedo Hester was still throwing like 60-plus punches around but he was still getting doubled up by this guy This is an extreme physical test for anyone But yeah, I think that when when he gets in there with someone like Gervonta Davis or a Shakur Stevenson You know guys that have pop and could counter that's when things will get truly interesting for him No, I spent a little bit of time with us a couple of weeks ago at wildcard I know we had a plan like he and Marvin Samodio had I thought a Reasonable game plan for this fight. They knew they were gonna have to punch with him They knew to have to counter with him Yeah, it's just unfortunately that you know He has to just does not have the power to get the attention of a Williams to pay it And I thought it was it was notable early on you see Hesta smiling and laughing when when Zepeda is throwing punches I think Jojo said something during the broadcast where he said Some of the extent of you know Zepeda is not the most powerful guy in the world But it's just an accumulation of punches like, you know, the first, you know, 10-15 shots You might say this guy's never a lot of pop all of a sudden you're getting hit with like a hundred two hundred three hundred Within three or four rounds and you know, your night is is ultimately over so let's talk about the future for Williams a paid it because There's some pie-in-the-sky stuff out there golden boys talking about Tank Davis. That's not gonna happen Let's let's just be real here. Tank Davis is not fighting Williams a paid at any point time over the next six to twelve months Williams a paid in his team. They want Devin Haney I am not uncertain there Cory to say that Williams a paid it is not in the plans of Devin Haney in the Near or perhaps even long-term future Devin Haney is at 140 pounds. He is aligning himself with matchroom He's got a plan there to collect titles. Williams a paid a is not on the radar of Devin Haney So now you have to start thinking about what the best path is and look it's easy to throw out Shakur Stevenson as an opponent and I think that would be an excellent fight but if I'm golden boy the first thing I'm doing this week is I am lobbying the IBF hard because Williams a paid a is ranked number six in the IBF rankings the IBF for whatever it's worth there a Sanctioning body that kind of goes by the letter of its laws right like part of that's because they got rated back in the 1990s But there are a sanctioning body that does follow the rules so the top two contenders for that hundred and thirty five pound title, which is currently occupied by Devin Haney, but Devin is not going to be going back down to 135 to defend it It's it's available it's available to be had if I'm golden boy I am pushing hard to get Williams a paid a in one of those top two slots right now The number one spot is vacant. The number two spot is held by George kambosis and if I'm Golden boy, I'm thinking kambosas are he's pretty good But he's another guy without a lot of power and that's another guy's a paid a would have a great chance of just out Volume punching over the course of that fight So my advice to golden boy would be to aggressively lobby the people at the IBF To move the paid a from number six up to number two or even number one There are obviously some guys in between there but like he saw Cruz is between there and he saw Cruz is not gonna fight You know George kambosis He's gonna most likely get a shot at tank Davis maxi Hughes is there and I think we'd all like to see maxi Hughes Get another opportunity at some point because of how the kambosis fight went But you know it's a paid it with this win should leapfrog him. I think golden boy should be aggressive with this man I think getting a shot at the IBF version of the lightweight title and a shot at fighting George kambosis is the best chance the pay to can get a belt and if he gets that belt a Lot of other things start to open up for him at 135 you can start making cross-promotional deals You can start talking about a shakur Stevenson fight for a lot more money I think the focus should be on getting that IBF title and getting into a position to fight George kambosis Yeah, I mean, that's that would be a fantastic plan if they can enact that and you're right. I mean without a title None of these other big names have any reason to want to fight Williams the painter for one, you know He doesn't bring a ton to the table economically right now But also he's not a fun style to step in there against if you don't have something that you're going to win For for your efforts So but again like thinking of those names Chris like you have to like some paid-as-chances Of picking up a title if those are the types of guys that he would have to get through You know if you put them in there with an Esau Cruz or a maxi Hughes or a George kambosis I like some paid-as-chances in all those fights, you know, and you know I don't love making predictions because I never know whose fight I'm gonna call and they might call me afterwards and say hey You said I was gonna lose to someone but listen I get that all the time. Don't worry. Yeah I I wouldn't think you were out of line for picking Zepeda against any of those guys or even feeling confident in his Chances against any of those guys pretty in and kimbosis included so if they can make that happen then yeah things can start to open up for him if he holds a title belt because One thing Zepeda will have behind him again He doesn't have the the name recognition as of yet But he is that fan base is starting to grow you're you're seeing when he fights that like the timeline is starting to light Up a little bit. I frankly was surprised by the crowd that he brought out in Los Angeles and you know you and I have been to many fights at that commerce casino and Sometimes you'll see the crowd kind of dissipate because there are a lot of local ticket sellers and people will leave after their fighters have fought Everyone stuck around for William Zepeda. He was someone that the masses that were there wanted to see So I think that he is developing a following that those types of fighters will develop fans want to see them Get a crack at someone and fans love volume punchers like that because people feel that volume and pressure is kind of an antidote for The the slick boxers out there. They want to see guys like that test someone and if Zepeda can pick up a title He's gonna have the momentum that he needs to get even bigger fights Yeah Just to clarify women's beta right now number six in the IBF rankings maxi Hughes as I said number five He saw Cruz number four, but see Lomachenko at number three But he's indicated he's done for the rest of the calendar year and kambosis at number two with the number one spot currently vacant you've got a You got to make that your priority in my opinion. If you're golden boy, you've got to get him a title there There are other opportunities you look at the WBO rankings and you know Zepeda is right there as well but a couple more people ahead of him including the guy that you You call this fight. Angel Fierro is up there in the top five the WBO rankings But I just think Zepeda has got to look to get that IBF title shot You get that get an opportunity to beat George Campos a tough fight. Campos is good But again doesn't have fight changing power and that's the ant that's the kryptonite I think to William Zepeda as he gets into with these guys down the line. All right, so we will be in Orlando this weekend to call the Hitchens Jose Zepeda fight also in Orlando this week Will be Edgar Berlanga the undefeated super middleweight contender last seen beating Jason Quigley at Madison Square Garden Berlanga will be there to discuss his future with his promoter Eddie Hearn his manager Keith Conley I believe will also be there as well and from what I understand One of the top priorities of that meeting is to find a way to make it financially palatable For Edgar Berlanga to fight Jaime Munguia This is the fight we've been talking about really since Berlanga beat Jason Quigley It is a very easy to fight to make in terms of boxing politics Munguia is aligned with golden boy Berlanga, of course aligned with matchroom It is a tremendous fight either in New York or Southern California in terms of ticket sales right now there's some distance between what Berlanga wants and behind it presumably zone is willing to pay Edgar Berlanga, but Cory Berlanga to me has to find a way to say yes here has to find a way to say yes you look at his resume and He's highly ranked in among some of the sanctioning buys, but he's 26 years old He's 21 to know his last five fights have come against Jason Quigley Alexis Angulo Steve rolls your guy Marcelo Coseras and Daman Nicholson not exactly a murderers row of opponents you know to me if you're Berlanga, you're at a point where It's it's kind of put up or shut up.
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"This is boxing with Chris Mannix or somebody punch him in the face Hosted by SI's Chris Mannix That was my moment now with interviews Analysis and everything going on in the world of boxing when you have talent you are given another chance. Here's Chris Mannix This is boxing with Chris Mannix part of the volume sports Podcast Network we are live on amp Make sure you get the first listen of every show on the volume network on amp Subscribe to the volume feed on amp subscribe to my feet at Chris Mannix on amp as well and never miss a show when it Comes out about a day earlier. So it's always good to get an early version of the episode We are loaded up on this show today. Cory Erdman writer boxing scene calm Broadcaster extraordinaire. He had a busy weekend last weekend, Tijuana, Los Angeles He'll be in Orlando with me this weekend for the rich the hitchens Jose Zepeda headline cards a matchroom card live on Dizzone we'll talk to Cory about all the news in boxing from Williams a paid his win This past weekends hitchens against the pay to some other things going on in boxing as well a little bit later Joe Joyce the juggernaut he will join me from England Joe has got a big rematch coming up on Saturday He's gonna take on Jay Li Zhang in a rematch of a fight that Joyce lost by knockout at Joe Joyce's advanced age Pretty much winter go home for Joe So a major moment for Joe Joyce over in the UK this we got to talk to him about that plus I get his take on Tyson Fury against Francis Nagano Joyce has had the experience of Sparring both men Tyson Fury and Francis Nagano gives me his take on how that fight could play out in Saudi Arabia About a month and a half from now But first Cory Erdman senior writer boxing scene calm racking up the miles over the last couple of weeks Tijuana, Los Angeles Orlando this weekend, hopefully you're getting some married points there as well Cory you did get a chance to see a pretty compelling Lightweight fighter. I'm not even gonna call Williams a paid a prospect anymore is on the cusp of 30 wins And he continues to beat quality opposition this time it was mercito Hesta who lasted all of five-plus rounds before Zepeda eventually stopped him He stopped him the same way that he stopped Hector Tanahara that he overwhelmed guys like Renee Alvarado and Joe Joe Diaz just an unbelievable Volume of punches is one of them the most prolific punchers in Boxing today against Hesta who like has to come up short in his most recent world title challenges But he was coming off a legitimate win over Joe Joe Diaz He had quality trainers in his corner led by Marvin Simodio and uh, he was just taken out, you know, five-plus rounds That was it for Mercito Hesta, so let's start there Your overall thoughts on Williams a paid his performance last Saturday I mean, he is just such an overwhelming volume puncher I think that he's taking volume punching almost to another level, you know I don't want to say that he's The busiest fighter that I've ever seen but he's right up there with the types of guys who have broken CompuBox numbers in the past, you know, super super volume punchers guys like Zach Padilla and you know Ray Olivera guys like that who throw like a hundred and twenty per round Manuel Medina He's taking it to another level and he's doing it on a high level, too You know, he's not just kind of like a Jesus Soto Karas type who is an extreme volume puncher But seems to have a ceiling we don't really know what Cepeda ceiling is right now But I think you were right in saying that he's no longer a prospect anymore This is a legitimate lightweight contender And in fact when you look at what Cepeda has accomplished right now the types of guys that he's beaten He doesn't have the resume of the big names that he's chasing right now He doesn't have the resume of you know, obviously a Tank Davis or a Devin Haney Guys like that, but the guys that he's in and around when you look at the the ring ratings, you know Say, you know an Isaac Cruz or a Frank Martin His resume is right there with him and the way that he's doing it is even more Definitive than the way that those types of guys have beaten their opposition on the way up So I mean stylistically he's gonna be a nightmare for absolutely anybody It's not gonna be an easy night for anyone even if you think that the bigger names wind up beating him and you know That that may very well be it's not gonna be easy He's going to demand something of you physically that no one in that division is going to ask of you And that's gonna make for compelling television.
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"Well, by the way, if you've been watching the Tyson Fury Netflix documentary, Tyson Fury, I don't think he's ever going to retire, ever. He's going to say he's retiring until we're all dead, probably, but yeah. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Fury-Usyk negotiations fell apart over rematch clause, right? They were okay on the initial, I guess there was some back and forth because Saudi Arabia first, and then it's in the UK, but it was more towards the end, it was about a rematch clause. It's a long way of saying, I think this fight can be resuscitated. And I agree with you, if you're Tyson Fury and you're watching Usyk Dubois, you're thinking to yourself, look, Daniel Dubois gave himself a shot to win with a decent borderline body shot there, I'm better than Daniel Dubois. I should be able to handle that version of Usyk. At least that's got to be what you're telling yourself if you're Tyson Fury in that fight. I have no interest whatsoever in Herjavec versus Usyk. I mean, Herjavec, the shine's really come off him over the last couple of fights. The Zhili Zhang fight could have gone either way. His last fight, Dempsey McKeon, whatever, that wasn't all that, it was just a ho-hum kind of performance. Guys like Herjavec, if you get in line and you put yourself in a mandatory position, sure, you should get an opportunity to fight for a world title. But I would definitely like to see the IBF, see everybody allow some negotiations to take place so we can potentially get Usyk versus Fury in the first quarter of 2024. All right, I want to talk about Terence Crawford, who has been on a victory tour since his knockout win over Errol Spence Jr. last month. And while we wait to see if Spence plans to exercise his rematch clause, Crawford has been openly talking about the possibility of facing Canelo Alvarez in his next fight. Here's Crawford discussing it on the three-knockdown rule this week. That would be my opportunity to show everybody how great Terence Crawford really is. If Canelo win that fight and accept my challenge and I come up to 168 and challenge him for undisputed in his weight and that fight happened, then, you know, man, I'm going to just show everybody, you know, that his skills pay the bills and I got the skills to do it all in that ring. So, Keith, I love this fight. I love it so much. I have no interest in, you know, beating up on the Charlo brothers tour. I have no interest in, I really have no interest in a rematch between Crawford and Spence. I do have great interest in seeing if Crawford can move up to 168 and beat Canelo Alvarez if Canelo gets through Jermell Charlo later on in September. I guess let's phrase the question this way. Do you think this fight's realistic? I mean, Crawford is aligned with PBC now. Canelo is aligned with PBC now. We still don't know who Canelo would face in the second fight of his deal. We know Eddie Reynoso has been saying Jermell Charlo is the target, but Jermell Charlo, who the hell knows what's going on with him? Is Crawford Canelo realistic for some time in the first half of 2024? It depends on who you ask. If you ask Terence Crawford, it absolutely is. If you ask Canelo Alvarez, it absolutely isn't. So Canelo feels like if he fights Crawford and he wins the fight, he'll get no credit because he'll have fought a guy who moved up three weight classes because he said unequivocally he is not moving down to 160 to 162 to 160. He's not moving down. So the fight would have to be at 168, which Crawford says that he is okay with doing. And that takes a lot of balls. I mean, not that I didn't think Terence Crawford didn't have that to begin with, but that's really saying something to move up three weight classes. I guess you could look at it this way, Chris. There was a time, now the fight was offered to Canelo to fight Errol Spence at once. I think it was 164, I believe. And that fight was offered to him and he didn't do it. And I think I remember him saying also, well, I'm not really going to get credit because he's a welterweight moving up and all that kind of, but he didn't completely dismiss it, I guess. I mean, it was something that, oh, who knows what could happen in the future. So I guess if you look at it that way, well, if he could have fought Errol Spence, he could fight the guy who beat up Errol Spence, you would think. But Canelo has been pretty adamant about this, that he is not going to fight Crawford because he just thinks that it's a bridge too far for Crawford and he's not going to get credit for doing it and kind of what is the purpose of him doing it because he can make a lot of money fighting other guys. Maybe he's got his heart set on us because of course he feels like beating Jermell Charlo, no questions asked, who that second opponent would be. Maybe he's got his mind made up as it relates to that. Of course, he's not sharing that with us, but maybe he feels he knows who that second opponent is and he's not going to entertain Crawford. And then Crawford could be bound to this rematch with Spence anyway, which could take you through the beginning of 2024 and then, you know, Canelo is probably not going to fight until May anyway, so it would align that way. I would like to be more positive about it, Chris, because, you know, just for the sake of history, I'd love to see if Terrence Crawford could pull that off. I mean, every time they say Terrence Crawford can't do something, he goes and does it. I mean, this is a big ask. I mean, to move up 21 pounds to go beat Canelo is a big ask, but he might have another. What if Jermell Charlo wins? I know that you feel that he has zero chance to win. I understand that. Let's just say he wins. Well, then you have the guy who beat Canelo who has this rivalry with Crawford and is a stable mate of Errol Spence. Well, then you've really got some drama there, right? And Jermell Charlo, I would think, wouldn't demand that he comes up to 168 pounds and then Crawford only has to come up how much of a weight they decide on, he would come up. Well, then you have Canelo still the biggest star in boxing. I'm not discounting that as it relates to who Crawford could fight, and it would be a much bigger fight if he fought Canelo because Canelo, again, the biggest star in American boxing. But imagine if Charlo wins, well, he'd have to beat Canelo twice because there's a rematch clause in the contract, so let's start with that. He's got to beat him twice. So Crawford will have to fight someone in between if that were to happen. But I don't think that if Canelo, the favorite fighter, does win, I don't think that Terence Crawford is going to be Canelo's next opponent as part of his three-fight deal with PBC. Well, thanks for throwing some cold water on that, Keith. Good to talk to you. I'm here to bring reality to the podcast, my friend. Come on. Well, hey, speaking of reality, I don't believe Jermell Charlo can win. I've said this before. I'll say it again. I see no pathway to victory for him. I saw a guy that got beat up pretty good by Bryan Castano. I think Canelo is levels better than Bryan Castano, and I think Canelo is going to do to him what Castano couldn't, and I think he's going to finish him off in that fight. You make a good point about the rematch clause, so we'd have to wait until summer fall of 2024 to potentially get Crawford against Charlo. But if Canelo wins, use the word credit. Does Canelo get more credit for fighting Jermell Charlo in his next fight versus fighting Terence Crawford? Because we'd be talking about a Jermell Charlo that would be at that point close to three years removed from his last fight, if you fast forward to May of 2024, who has not looked impressive in the previous fights he's had. Would he really get less credit for fighting Terence Crawford than he would Jermell Charlo? It's a good point, Chris, but one, I don't think that if Jermell Charlo fights him next, he will go directly into that fight. I think they will find some sort of tune up for him on Showtime or something. He can't go, you know, he can't come off what would be, like you said, almost three full years out of the ring and fight Canelo. Of course, you would have the grudge. Let's say he beats Jermell. You have the grudge match aspect. He's coming to avenge his brother's loss, but if you hear Jermell talk, they're not even on speaking terms now, so I don't know what matters exactly. I mean, things aren't good between them. His girlfriend and his wife got into a fight that they spent outside of the arena. When Jermell was doing the two-city press tour and he was doing a whole bunch of interviews and stuff, he said he at that point had not spoken to Jermell since that happened. I think maybe two or three weeks had gone by from that point. He hadn't spoken to his brother. Regardless, I don't think that Jermell Charlo would go into the Canelo fight if Canelo beats Jermell Charlo and is looking to fight Jermell next. Having said that, who knows how he's going to look in that fight because he didn't look particularly good against Juan Macias Montiel, who was blown out by Carlos Adamas, so I don't know how anyone could say with any certainty what to make of Jermell Charlo at this point in his career. If he comes back and he scores an impressive knockout, at least he would establish some sort of momentum going into that fight, but if it's not him and it's not Crawford, I mean, I don't know who Canelo would fight in that second fight because it's not going to be Benavidez or the winner of the Benavidez-Andrade fight, and it's certainly not going to be David But yeah, I see what you're saying, though, because no one knows what's left of Jermell Charlo at this point, so how could you say you would get more credit for that than beating, who I believe is the number one pound-for-pound fighter in boxing, and I think most people should believe that at this point. It's a good point, but he, again, would have to come up 21 pounds in weight, so that's a huge factor. Canelo, he's a very hard puncher, and he's used to absorbing punches at that weight, and he fought at light heavyweight twice and didn't budge, so again, it's a huge ask of Terrence Crawford, but it would be a fascinating event, a fascinating fight to see if Crawford could do it, but based on the way Canelo is talking about it, I just don't see it happen. You know, I think we, and just speaking abroad, we have to come off the idea that Crawford, you know, would be, everybody would downplay a win over Crawford. Maybe people would after the fact, but I just, I can't get excited about a Jermell Charlo fight, even if Charlo is coming off a win over a Maciej Sileski type. I can't get excited about that. Of the available opponents out there, and I'm excluding Benavidez and excluding Morrell because, as you point out, he's probably not going to fight them in May of 2024. Terrence Crawford, I think, is the most marketable opponent, and I think the opponent that he'd probably get the most credit for, because Terrence Crawford is the number one pound-for-pound guy now, and Canelo Alvarez, he could be sold as former number one pound-for-pound, still believes he's at the top, now fighting the guy who is at the top. I just think there's so many ways to market it, so many ways to sell it, and if Crawford really is willing to do what he says he's willing to do, and I have no reason to doubt him, then that to me is just a phenomenal fight to make. I'm interested to see what happens in the aftermath of the Jermell versus Canelo fight and exactly how the pieces kind of fall into place. I guess the other thing we have to ask is, you know, is Spence going to exercise that rematch clause? Because if he does, this is an entirely moot point, right? Like, do you believe Spence is going to exercise that immediate rematch clause for either later this year or early next year? Well, I've been hearing conflicting things, I would say. I mean, he wants it from a pride standpoint, obviously. He wants his get-back, and there are people that I've spoken to, fighters, managers, trainers, that think that it would be a more competitive fight at 154 pounds. Who knows? Of course, it took a lot out of him to get down to 147 pounds, but I don't think that's wrong for him on 29. I agree. That's what he's going to tell himself, obviously, as a competitor and as someone who's never been in this predicament before, having to come off a devastating lopsided loss like that. Of course, he's going to say that. I don't know that it would be all that different, to be honest with you, but Chris, I just want to circle back to one thing you said related to Canelo, because I agree with a lot of what you said about marketing the fight and the former pound for pound king against the current pound for pound king, and that all makes perfect sense. But let's just say the Canelo-Charlow fight goes the way that you expect it to go, and Canelo wins convincingly. Okay, he just beat a 54-pounder. His next fight's going to be against a 47-pounder, and then let's just say he beats him. Who's he going to fight next, Tank? At a certain point, people are going to say, well, why do you keep fighting guys who are all these weight classes below you? Now, Terrence Crawford, in my opinion, is better than Jarmel Charlo, but you're not going to keep going down. And also, if you're Al Heyman and Showtime and you're trying to maximize this multi-fight deal with Canelo, I mean, continually having him fight guys with lower weight classes, I don't think is the way to really captivate the public. The Crawford fight is an anomaly for obvious reasons, right? But coming off, let's just say he beat Charlo convincingly, then go to the undisputed champion in the lower weight class. I don't know if you can sell that. It's 21 pounds. If they fought at 160 pounds, if they fought at 160, I might buy it more, but 21 pounds, I mean, oof. But you think a Jarmel Charlo fight is more marketable then? You think that's the case? No, I honestly don't want to... Like I said earlier, no one could conceivably say that they know what to make of Jarmel Charlo at this point. I'm not saying that's what you want. I'm just saying that it would be fascinating. I'm not saying I wouldn't want to see it. I'm just saying, does it make sense from a business standpoint for them to do that next? Particularly if he beats Charlo in a way that you and some other people seem to think that he will. I'm not saying he's going to lose. I'm not saying Canelo's going to lose, but I think that's a real fight. So I'll say this, if you're rooting, not you specifically, wants to see Crawford fight Canelo, you really should root for the Charlo-Canelo fight to be competitive. Because if it isn't, I don't see how you sell against a smaller guy. What do you do to maximize? Danny DuBois just fought Oleksandr Usyk in front of 50,000 people. I mean, you could do whatever you want, I guess. You talk about maximize though, Keith, like what does maximize that second fight? I mean, if we kind of assume that Benavidez could be there as the third fight of that deal, what is an ideal situation for PBC and your attainment? I don't see it out there. You'd almost have to enlist like Jaime Munguia from Golden Boy or somebody outside the PBC universe because inside, cross your fingers, nope Demetrius, Android wins. I don't know. I don't know what the opponent is for him there. That's been a problem for months now. We've been talking about this for a while, whether it's going to be Jermall Charlo or somebody else. That second slot has been something of a mystery since Canelo announced this deal. I don't know exactly where he goes in there. Even though there's a 21-pound weight gap, I would get really excited to see Canelo versus Crawford. I think a lot of people out there would too. Now, after the fact, we may say, oh, you beat up on a smaller guy. But going into that fight, I think there would more interest in Canelo versus Crawford than there would be in Canelo versus anyone else, including David Benavidez, I think. Now, we might sit there and agree that Benavidez is a tougher fight. But in terms of marketability, I don't think Benavidez Canelo does better than Canelo versus Crawford. I just think it's on two different levels marketing-wise. I'm not sure about the Benavidez one, Chris, because there's nothing to disparage the Benavidez-Canelo fight. Benavidez is actually bigger. Obviously, they're in the same weight class, but he's the bigger guy. He's the younger guy. But in terms of known commodities, right? People know Crawford now. Of course. Yeah. But again, I don't think you can discount the 21-pound weight advantage that Canelo would have, whereas Benavidez would be viewed as the young killer, the bigger... Now, I'm not saying Benavidez wins that fight. I'm just saying he's a naturally taller guy who's on the come up. He's been fighting as a professional for a very long time for someone who's 26 years old, but he's 26 years old. That's a good question. I think Crawford, because of, like you said, where his marketability is coming off this incredible win and the surge he has enjoyed over the last few weeks, it would do good business. There's business, right? And it would do much better business than most with Crawford involved. And so you make a good point. But I don't know if it would... The Benavidez fight, people really want to see that. And you know how it goes on both sides of it. People build up all this nonsense that doesn't exist, like Canelo's running from Benavidez. He's like, yeah, I mean, the guys want everybody. And I think he'll eventually wind up fighting Benavidez. I mean, it's a good narrative for Benavidez's camp to play off of while you're waiting for this fight. But Demetrius Andrade's not an easy fight, you know? Look out for Demetrius Andrade. I'm quitting this podcast if Andrade beats Benavidez. Jesus Christ. Oh, look out for my guy, Demetrius Andrade. Live dog in that fight against Benavidez. He's going to do some things in that fight that I think will make Benavidez look bad. May not win, but I think he's going to acquit himself well in that fight. That's a conversation for when we get closer to that fight actually being finalized. I want to ask you, Keith, about Jared Anderson, what we saw from him this past weekend. Picked up his second win in the last two months, stopping Andrade Rudenko. Anderson, one of the best heavyweight prospects in all of boxing, maybe the best heavyweight prospect in boxing. He's ranked in the top 10 by three of the four sanctioning bodies, being moved pretty well, and being moved pretty fast by top rank. When you look at his future, we mentioned FA Iqagba. I think that'd be a pretty interesting fight for Jared Anderson. But how close are we getting to Jared Anderson getting a significant fight? Well, I guess we'd have to define significant fight because Usyk and Fury are off the table, right? I mean, those guys, he's not, I don't think he's ready for that necessarily. And I don't think he's in position to make that happen right now based on what they have going on. So yeah, then who does he fight who's not too dangerous? Because look, he can tell you all he wants that he wasn't hurt by Charles Martin. He was hurt not once. He was hurt twice by Charles Martin in the fifth round. The middle minute of the fifth round, he was buzzed by the left hand and he responded very well to it. And maybe it was a little lack of focus toward the end of the 10th round. But he got rocked with another left hand where if Charles Martin had another 20 or 30 seconds to try to follow up on that, the conclusion might have been different. So he was hurt twice by and there's no shame in getting hurt by Charles. Charles Martin is a huge puncher. I mean, he's, you know, people think what they think about Charles Martin based on the Anthony Joshua fight, but he's a huge puncher. Big guy, almost had Luis Ortiz out and has been a solid heavyweight. So it was a good comeback win for Jared Anderson. You know, he did what he was supposed to do with Rodaico who had never really been stopped, stopped. You know what I mean? So it was a good win for Jared Anderson and exactly what he needed. And he came back on only seven weeks, you know, only seven weeks after he fought the toughest fight of his career and went 10 rounds for the first time. So give him credit for that. So who does he fight, Chris? Really? I mean, because they were, look from the top rank perspective, they were at, if it wasn't next, it was going to be the following fight. He was going to fight Zon Kasabutski if Kasabutski beat FA Jogba. Now, obviously people would say, well, then why can't you just make FA Jogba against Jared Anderson? Well, because they have the same management team they're friendly. And I know people hate hearing the friendship stuff because you know, that's the boxing business basically, right? And a lot of friends have fought each other, but they do have the same management team looking out for their interests and everything. And they both have kind of said that they're not going to fight each other. So the fact that Kasabutski did just utterly baffling things on Saturday night and through his career down the drain for the most part. So they don't have that built-in guy with top rank for Jared Anderson to fight right now. So it's going to be interesting to see who, because he's going to fight probably one more time before the end of the year. And if he does that, it's going to be interesting to see because Kasabutski is no longer available to him. And FA Jogba is not for the reasons I just mentioned. Where do you go? Right? Do you bring a British heavyweight over? I don't know. I don't know who you bring over to fight him. Probably have to. I mean, you probably have to, you have to look overseas where there are some heavyweight options. I mean, I don't know if he's ready for like a Joseph Parker. I'd love to see that fight. Maybe a little bit too far at this point for Jared Anderson. That's a really good, I think, heavyweight fight. Here's one for you, Chris, how about this? Okay. Jalee Zhang beats Joe Joyce again on September 23rd, which well could happen. Frank Warren is Jalee Zhang's promoter who works with Bob Aaron. Would they put, would they put after what happened with another strong southpaw, another older strong southpaw, would they put Jared Anderson in the ring for an opportunity to win one of the interim titles and then become a mandatory? And would they pay Jalee Zhang enough money to make that happen? I would like to see that. Let me tell you something. Do respect that Jared Anderson, but if Jalee Zhang beats Joe Joyce again, I wouldn't make Jared Anderson a favorite in that fight. I think Jalee Zhang wins. I think he's too strong and you can't knock Jalee Zhang out. Like he's just too big and he's got too good a chance. I know this is talk for a few weeks down the road because the fight's September 23rd, but guy's been training in New Jersey for 10 years and Lou Duva told me a very long time ago, there's something special about this guy and he's going to speak any English, but he does. And, uh, he, you know, he knows that he's not a real, real world champion, but he's on the cusp of making something pretty special happen. Um, and you know, people think negative things about him because of what happened in the Jerry forest fight. And they feel that he faded against her garbage when he probably could have won that fight and everything. But look, the top ranked matchmakers are entirely too smart from that. For that, I'm not saying that they're going to sign off on Jared Anderson fighting Jalee Zhang, even though he's 40 years old at this point, I don't understand they're going to do that. I'm just saying it would be an appealing option if we're looking for appealing options. I agree. I'd love to see that fight and Jared Anderson would have to box in that fight because you're not putting Jalee Zhang down. I mean, I was there for the forest fight where it was not to rehash it, but that was a whole confluence of bad events for Jalee Zhang that led to him looking as bad as he did. Uh, I thought he won the Hargovitch fight. It was close. I thought he lefts on Joe Joyce and busting up his face. That's who Jalee Zhang is. He has got blunt power with that left hand and he has got a good chin. So that would be an incredibly appealing fight. And you know, good for top rank, good for Jared Anderson if they did go in that direction. But that certainly is one to watch after the Joyce Zhang fight later on in September. Last thing for you, Keith, I want to just, we saw the WBC order something recently. I want to drop this on you real quick. Um, Shakur Stevenson, Frank Martin, when I saw that, I, you know, I, I don't want to get excited about a potential big fight when two fighters are promoted by rival entities and fight on opposing platforms. But correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there's a purse bid schedule for what next week. And I'm dying to see if who goes through with it. I mean, I've checked in with a few people on both sides. I don't think there's any certainty on if this comes to a purse bid, if we'll get, you know, both sides going through with that purse bid. But of course, Stevenson, Frank Martin on paper, tremendous fight. What are the chances you think we get that fight for the WBC right way title? Well, I really hope we do Chris, because it's a look, it's it's in terms of what's available. It's about as good as Shakur Stevenson is going to do next, right? Because Devin Haney's moving up to 140. Excuse me, the tank fight is not going to obviously not going to happen next. It's a pretty good fight, right? Martin didn't look good, particularly let me backtrack. He didn't look as good in his last fight, as he did in his in his previous fight against Michelle Rivera. And he was in with a guy who had a lot of experience, a lot of Olympic experience and amateur experience and everything. And he learned something from it. The shine is a little off of him, maybe, you know, based on how good he looked against Michelle Rivera, but he'll give Shakur Stevenson a real fight. Now, Shakur, I think is on another level and would win but I would much rather see that than see Shakur fight an in house guy and Jermaine Ortiz is very good, but you know, just had all this trouble making weight and everything and probably shouldn't be rewarded for that by fighting Shakur Stevenson next. But I would rather see that than an in house top rank fight. So let's see how they go about it. It's a very costly fight for whoever wins that purse bid. You have to pay a lot of money because Shakur Stevenson's minimums are high. And it was my understanding that they were when they were negotiating before the WBC ordered the the purse bid, which is scheduled for September 5, the Tuesday after Labor Day, they were far enough apart on money to necessitate a purse bid, I guess, for what to satisfy Frank Martin side of it. The fight would be if top rank promotes the fight, it would be on ESPN. The on a Thursday night of all nights on a Thursday night in November, before the Formula One Grand Prix race in Vegas, the next two days or three days after that, I believe it is. It's an interesting fight. I would favor Shakur and I would favor Shakur Stevenson against, you know, most lightweights. I'd love to see him fight Tank Davis at some point. That really, that's a pick of it to me. But I would favor Shakur against most anybody else in the lightweight division, including Frank Martin, but it's a very good fight. Yeah, as far as lightweight opponents go, Frank Martin would be, you know, the best that Shakur has faced up until this point. It would just be a really compelling match up of two undefeated young 135 pounders. This is the kind of cross promotional fight that boxing needs to make more of. It's one of those situations too, Keith, where it's like, you know, if that purse bid happens, and there is a result, somebody wins. If you walk away from that fight, the other guy has a chance to call you a ducker, the guy can say you're ducking. Like there was a purse bid, your promoter had a chance to put up a bunch of money to win that purse bid. I believe, is the split 50-50 for something like that? That's a good question because I'm trying to remember where Martin is. I forgot. But either way, they'd make a boatload of money. You get to be in a marquee fight. I'd love to see it. I think that's a terrific fight between two top guys at 135. Undefeated. I love what I've seen from Frank Martin. That last fight, notwithstanding, I think that was, I don't think that was an example of the real Frank Martin. I think the Michelle Rivera fight was probably more a look at the real Frank Martin, where Shakur has been great every single time he's been out. So I'm all in. No, it's an excellent fight, Chris. And like you said, we could use more. And top rank has shown, and when necessary, you see us in fighters over there as well as opponents and such. And in this case, Frank Martin would have to be considered the opponent. I mean, Shakur is the star and Frank Martin would be the underdog in the fight. So it could be worth PBC's while because they want a big fight for Frank Martin and they wouldn't have to pay for it if it goes, if it went on the ESPN side. From top ranks perspective, they would have to bid a lot of money because they could not afford from a public relations standpoint to lose Shakur Stevenson even for a fight to PBC if they were to get outbid by Al Heyman and TGB, which would represent Al at the purse bid. You don't think it's worth it? I mean, not that it's the same thing, but I remember when, well, I mean, for one fight, like I remember when Lomachenko fought Gary Russell. I know it's not the same thing. That was very early in Lomachenko's career, but that fight was on Showtime. And that was at the time kind of the marquee win of Lomachenko's career. I just, I don't think the top rank, I don't think it's catastrophic. If for one fight Shakur Stevenson goes over, you know, gets a win, then comes back to ESPN and top rank. I just don't know that it's so damaging to their brand. Maybe not catastrophic, but they will not want that to happen, obviously, because they have the financial wherewithal to make sure that it stays on ESPN. So I think they would do everything in their power to make that happen. But then it's like, you don't know how much the other, in this case, you don't know how much the other side is willing to bid because it would be a coup, a minor coup, I guess, for the PBC Showtime side of it to steal Shakur Stevenson away from top ranking ESPN for one fight.
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"joe joyce" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Again, Usyk's trunks and DuBois trunks are right about at the same spot. So what would be a legal blow for one would presumably be a legal blow for the other one. I didn't really... Look, there are camera angles in which it looks lower than it does when you're looking at it from another camera angle. Luis Pabon had a clear look at it and immediately called it a low blow. So in his mind, it was certainly low enough to warrant a break in the action, not a four minute break in the action. I mean, you only get five and that's the maximum amount allowable. And it seemed like he was going to give him half an hour. So I don't like the way Luis Pabon handled it. I do think that... Look, the one thing about Usyk is he has shown susceptibility to the body in his career, particularly when he was in the amateurs. I mean, he does not really react to body punches well. And if, again, you go back and watch the footage and wasn't really paying attention to it all that much in real time, Timothy Bradley says right before the bell starts, Dubois needs to go to Usyk's body. He literally said it right before the opening bell started. And he tried and then that happens. So I'm not saying that... I certainly don't think Usyk is a cheater as Don Charles said. I agree with you on that. But look, he may have gotten hit with what was a clean body shot and sold it a little bit as a low blow because there were other things about it, Chris, that I don't like on both sides of it. Usyk literally said to... I don't remember the outlet, so I would like to give whoever he said it to credit, but I don't remember which outlet it was. But he did say, had Luis Pabon started counting when he went down from that and called that a legal body blow, he would have got up. Well, which is it? You couldn't get up or you could have? You can't have it both ways. That's a sketchy thing for him to have said in the aftermath of the fight, in my opinion. And then did he say... Keith, let me ask you, I didn't hear him say he couldn't get up. Did he say in the aftermath that he couldn't get up? Well, then why are you rolling around on the floor? Well, I think to play devil's advocate on this side, I think that because Luis Pabon immediately ruled that it was a low blow. He immediately said that. He went over to Usyk and said, stay down. So when Pabon said, stay down, I think Usyk said, you know what? Screw it, I'm going to stay down. That hurt, whether it was legal or not, that hurt, I'm going to stay down. And afterwards, I actually agree with Usyk, I believe this statement from Usyk. If he had heard a count, if Pabon had turned to him and started to count, I think he would have found his way to his feet. I think he would have found a way to survive the rest of that round. We may never know, but as far as why he stayed down, I think he stayed down because Pabon immediately went to him and said, I think he told him to stay down in that moment. I don't really remember. I'm not saying he didn't, Chris. I'm just saying that he was making it seem as if he couldn't get up. I don't think he went to get up and then said, oh, he said, stay down. I'm going to stay down. Be that whatever the case, it's an odd thing to say. The way he reacted to that, as if he could not have gotten up in my, that's the way I saw it. And then to say, oh, but I would have gotten up if he started counting. Well, while Pabon kept encouraging him to take more time, he did take well over three minutes to recover from that. So if it was something that you could have got up from right away, did you need three plus minutes? I mean, I guess you could pin that on Luis Pabon. On the flip side, Daniel Dubois said that once that happened in the fifth round, and I'm paraphrasing here, he couldn't keep focused on the fight because he felt like everything was against him. And look, man, you've got to be mentally stronger than that. And while it may have taken away his opportunity to become the unified heavyweight champion, you still have seven more rounds to continue to hit him with a legal body blow or something else. I mean, you've got a good right hand. You've got a good jab. Put it together, man. Look, the bottom line is Daniel Dubois didn't belong in that fight to begin with. He didn't deserve a title shot. You got one anyway when Joe Joyce was forced to wait and then took a fight that was a little too tough and wound up blowing his own title shot. So he got a title shot because he beat Trevor Bryant for an absurd WBA title that should not exist. So he didn't even belong in the ring. If you somehow get to that point anyway, you got to make the most of that opportunity for 12 rounds. And to say that I kind of shut it down after that because I felt like there was too much working against me. I mean, it's really hard to sympathize with someone who says something like that. And frankly, I don't know if he has the fortitude to become a champion because, look, he went down on what wasn't all that hard of a punch. And from what I could tell toward the end of the eighth round, he used the maximum allowable time and he winds up getting up. It looked like he was trying to do the same thing in the ninth round, which again, doesn't exactly cloak Luis Clabon in glory either because he could, he was up at nine and he stopped the fight. Now he very well might've gotten knocked out because there was well over a minute left when he got up, but he did beat the count, which is the exact same thing he did at the end of the eighth round. So I'm not really sure why he stopped it at the same time. Didn't really look like Dan DuBois wanted to be there. No, and as far as the stoppage, I always feel like whenever a guy gets up at nine, doesn't really want to fight. You should know in your mind that when you hear eight, that's when you get up. That's when you actually want it. That's when you're taking the full amount of allotted time. Nine to me is your way of getting up, but leaving that kind of window open for you to be able to say later that you wanted to continue, but the referee waved it off. I saw nothing in the eyes of Danny DuBois that made me believe he wanted to continue. He went down on a jab, Keith, on that punch. He looked like he was finished in that moment. DuBois said some weird things after the fight. There was the whole, I hit him square in the stomach. No, you didn't. Like at best, it was a legal punch that was borderline. What else was he saying? He just didn't feel like he was connected to reality towards the end of that. It's kind of funny listening to Frank Warren talk out of both sides of his mouth right now, because on one hand, Frank Warren's trying to make a fight between Usyk and Tyson Fury. The other hand, he's talking about filing grievances or whatever it is to get that overturned into a no contest and get a rematch for Danny DuBois. But nothing I saw, Keith, makes me believe anyone would order a rematch. I mean, this footage has been dissected more than the Zapruder film, and nobody can come to a consensus about whether or not it was a low blow. I mean, Tony Belle, you, Carl Frampton, they say it was definitely a low blow. My pal Sergio Mora, among others, say absolutely not. It was not a low blow. So the fact that you can't get anything definitive here tells me that nobody's going to order a rematch based on that evidence. Whichever side you're on, Chris, I think one thing we can all agree on. This was not some kind of egregious Andrew Golota type low blow. That's not what happened on Saturday. I mean, if you want to say it was like slightly low and a little below the belt or whatever. OK. But it's not one of those, you know, when Golota was literally trying to punch his Riddick Bowens. You look, use a more recent example, Keith. F.A. Jogba in his fight just this past weekend. He was getting drilled with the eye. Those were egregious. Could you imagine if you were guiding John Kosovitski's career and he gets to a point in a fight that he could win? He could be F.A. Jogba. F.A. Jogba has shown a lot of vulnerability and a lack of killer instinct and a multitude of other weaknesses. He could have won that fight. And then he I know that we're going to talk about this anyway, but then he would eventually fight Jared Anderson. And he basically threw away his career. He was 19 and 0 with 18 knockouts and and basically found a way out of not basic. He found a way out of a fight that he felt like he was not being treated fairly in as opposed to trying to knock F.A. Jogba out or however else he could fight by legal means.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"joe joyce" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"And the problem for him he kind of belongs in that old era of Frazier Foreman Ali who just got physically stronger in their 30s, you know, although none of those well, obviously Foreman did but I think Frazier was gone at 32 wasn't he and Ali at 33 30 actually know Ali carried on a little longer didn't he look we have to voice concern. He has taken a lot of punishment but my words he was under pressure against the very composed Gerald Washington for the first four rounds of that fight. I mean, I had it close to a draw if I'm honest Derek, I think 182 on one card something like that. Yeah, a lot of home cooking on that one. Maybe yeah, we let's not go into that like I'm sorry for Joel. I'll tell you what though Malik Scott obviously who trains Gerald Washington he taken a liking to you know, I like sartorial clothes he had to I put a jacket on especially for you tonight by the way, so with a pocket square. Malik Scott took a liking to a crushed black velvet jacket that I'd had a waistcoat or what you call a vest at the weigh-in on Friday and he tried it on even it fitted him beautifully which I was relieved to know because I'm not big anymore, but it's still fitted Malik and you know Malik and Gerald to a big guys and he and he said oh man, can I have it? And so I got a couple of them, you know, and I said look if your man beats Derek Chisour on Saturday night, I'll present when I do the post-fight interview with you. I'll present you with the vest as well and I dangled the vest up from the broadcast seats at him and he nodded as Derek was walking in in his Barbie outfit. You know, he was he was some he was had his daughters with him. Did you see all this? I did. I did just his daughters. Isn't it? He's an amazing one coming to easy. He's an amazing showman. Whoa, Derek Chisour which is which was a lot of fun for years, but now, you know you bring up his kids like the way he gets knocked out when he gets knocked out and the beating that he's willing to take to deliver his own punishment. If I was Eddie Hearn, Frank Warren, any of the promoters in the US, I would be very reluctant to work with him again. That's that's they're not licensing him though. Yeah, maybe it's the boxing border controls decision to do that. Remember you remember Danny Williams who beat Mike Tyson and and fought at world level for a long time. I think he's had a fight recently. He if they want to get a license, I think he went to Finland to get a license Latvia Lapland Father Christmas gave him a license one year, you know, if you listen I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments. Okay, you know Derek's whole house is pink by the way as well for his girls. It's painted pink. He showed me pictures of it. It's it lives in a big house in North London. He's a moneyweight fighter. That's the problem. His fight with Gerald Washington was more entertaining than Flip Herjavec and Dempsey McKean, frankly, you know who there was a lot on the line for those two guys as well. IBF number one two unbeaten fighters. And I've got to say I don't think you six going to struggle with her go bitch at all. By the way. I think he's going to run circles around him. Yes, you are right. Mr. Mannix in your manic machinations. Mr. Mannix as our as our memorable. Meander through Saturday night draws to a minute minutes close. He should retire but I bet you he fights once more in the dunes of Saudi Arabia and I I hate to I hate to see it. I mean, I understand that the money could be there but I Boards of Control State Athletic Commissions, whatever take a long look at where he is in his life and who he's facing for that matter. I do know and how he's going to be in 10 years. Well, yeah, I mean but like if you want to if Derek Chisora wants to do what Robert Helene is did last week, which is take like a homecoming fight against a nobody. Okay, maybe I somebody signs off on that but to make the money Derek Chisora wants to make he is going to have to face somebody probably dangerous like the young young upcoming stars. Moses a town where Johnny Fisher. Yeah, I don't I don't want to see that. I don't I don't either. It's just tough. It's just tough. What one last thing for you before I let you go a couple weeks time. We will see Daniel Dubois against usic in his first shot at a major heavyweight title Dubois. I don't know if we know we can say Dubois earned this because he really went out and just won that secondary title from the WBA after getting knocked out by Joe Joyce, but you've seen usic style a lot in the UK over the years, you know Dubois pretty well does Dubois have anything in his Arsenal that is going to prove problematic for Alexander usic. Well, he's got incredible power with his right hand and a very good jab. And again, this is one of those fights take a leaf out of Tyson Fury in the second fight with Johnson Wilder go and put it on him. I know he's a southpaw. I know he's tricky. I know he's got brilliant footwork. You can dance all night like a Cossack. He's nerveless, you know, he's a we cannot wait for him to fight Tyson Fury because it's such a great chess match Dubois got to put it on him. I think he's got to go out there and put it on him for four rounds. Let it all go for four rounds. Look at does he have that in it? Does he have that in him? We are talking about Joshua. We you sick is clever enough to know that Dubois has to do that in this fight. Yeah, so you sick may look to pop him early with that angle. He creates with the left hand. Yeah, he might land the backhand like he did against Anthony Joshua early. Do you remember and it kept Joshua in that first fight kept Joshua back. He popped him a couple of times in the opening round or at least once. And it was like whoa, where did that come from? That's what Dubois got to combat early and he's got to put it on him because he's a big strong heavy guy what he needs to think in this what hopefully Don Charles Derek Chisora's old trainer is telling Dubois. You got everything to win. This is a win-win for you. Whatever happens go out there and push him around jump on him it with elbows hit him low. Do whatever you want to do make it a dog fight from the beginning of the fight. It's what I do. I'm too small a man to do that and I don't have that fight in me, but I would jump on you sick and if you get knocked out in two rounds doing it fine, but jump on him throw your hand throw combinations because you never know you just never know and I and I know that's very raw and not very technical, but I think if he you know shit or bust if one can say it that way bleep or bust go for it. I don't what do you think? Uh, I didn't learn much from Dubois last win. I didn't think much of I'm blanking now on his name. Don King's got a heavy Laredo. Oh Kevin Laredo before that the the the the Don King's guy that had the secondary title the first Trevor Bryan Trevor Bryan. Yeah, I didn't think much of that. I didn't think much. I know it was terrible. That was it was it was it was one of the most extraordinarily weird events I've ever seen with water coming through the roof into a bucket by ringside strange strange night. So I don't know 19 people and two dogs sitting in the order. I mean, I mean I wasn't there actually I'm going to be honest but very odd thing to watch. Yeah, I think he's just going to have a lot of problem with the skill set of who sick just like everybody does I think who's going to mix it up. It's not throw a lot of punches. His jab is going to be difficult that straight left hand is going to be difficult. I just think who sick is too experienced too smart. He's going to be fighting on his home turf for like the first time ever basically fighting in Poland, which is a de facto home game for Alexander who sick. I just think this is pressure though as well. Sure. Yeah this pressure but who's it just seems it's kind of guys impervious to it. Like there's nothing seems to bother him ever. Like, you know, there's there's certain words when your country's at war. It's just a fight. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean and look he goes into the UK and beats Tony Belle. You he goes into the UK and beats Anthony Joshua. There's nothing that bothers him. He just he's such a professional and he's so smart. He's peaking right now, even though he's in his mid-30s. It feels like he's peaking right now at this moment. And look we talked about this briefly with Terrence Crawford, you know last week where you know, we heard Bo Mac Brian McIntyre say look you guys let Terrence Crawford grow into a welterweight. That was a mistake. I think right now who stick has grown into a heavyweight which when you combine his skill set with the newfound comfort of his body. He's going to be tough for anybody Tyson Fury included which would maybe Tyson Fury and his team are aware of that. They know, you know, just how good this guy is. It's been my pleasure today by the way, I know you're going to get rid of me and say it's been my pleasure today. You said this is going to be a shortened podcast today. They're all sitting waiting for dinner. Am I the last guest you you are you are the only guest this week, right? Well, okay. We'll get your backside back to that tablecloth get some Beaujolais or whatever it is in you that you want to drink of have a tequila on me and I will buy you one. This is America. Gareth. I drink Bud Light when I in America. Okay, drink Bud Light.Yeah. Cheers from me. I'm just got water at the moment. Cheers from me. I've got to go and do more work do more work always a pleasure to speak to you. It's such high-level questions about you know, it's always a pleasure to speak with you because we've been doing this a long time and it is like sitting that we have these chats at the bar for an hour. Don't do we do over over a double Patrón and a Bud Light. It's always a pleasure to speak to you. Will I see you at any of these fights? It's Fury Nagano or maybe maybe if you're in a Ghana, we're working on some stuff over at the magazine about that. We'll see what happens there. But check out all the Gareth A. Davey stuff talk sport. The telegraphs got a great interview coming out with Eddie Hearn on boxing social Gareth always appreciate your time. My man. Love you brother. That's it for this week's episode. My thanks to Gareth A. Davies for joining the show as always subscribe rate review this podcast on Apple podcast Spotify wherever you download podcasts, and I'll see you next week. 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SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"joe joyce" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"And to your point real quick Gareth like we do have to give Helenius some credit for being dangerous because in the minds of many people especially in the US Robert Helenius is the guy that Deontay Wilder starts to one round. We have forgotten that look he took out Adam Kavnowski twice when Kavnowski was still undefeated and still considered a heavyweight contender. So there was still some meat on the bone of Robert Helenius even at 39 years old. Yeah, and even on six days notice because he didn't need 14 to 15th century Schloss in Finland a castle. He's probably fighting, you know as an entertainment event. I can't remember the guy's name Mika someone or other but it wasn't it was it wasn't a white-collar event, but it was an entertainment event, you know, it wasn't a true kind of high-level boxing match, but he didn't have time to overthink it. He definitely came with Fitness. He looked fantastic by the way, he wasn't flabby. He's a great guy. Isn't he Helenius anyway? Yeah, I'm sure you've had time with him. I really like the guy. Took 10 minutes to say yes to the fight all week. He kept his cool. He is an old dog as I say knows his way around the ring. He took the center of the ring. Well in the in the early rounds Joshua's a notoriously slow starter. Now, he's got a good rangefinder Helenius and he's got a very powerful right hand that you've got to respect as you say what he also did and he told me about this and Boxers always have their reasons and it is a game of chess at heavyweight level because these guys can change the course of a fight with a jab if they have to. He'd been sparring loads. He said with John Tae Wilder in all their spars. They both just came forward and he thought what I'm going to have to do against Wilder is come forward and put it on him first push the bully the blueprint that Tyson Fury set in the second fight with Wilder you put Wilder. I don't think while there's a bully I think he's a wonderful person but when he fights he has a very menacing presence and a bullying style because you know, he's got equalizers in both hands and he said I was trying to push Deontay back and he said after the fight and he played possum Wilder didn't he and he said after the fight Malik Scott and Deontay told him they've been practicing a counter left hook off the back foot for two years. Yeah, so styles make fights and the style in that fight was very come forward. He didn't come forward hard against Joshua. He met him in the middle. I didn't like you say he he deserves credit as well. But what I found concerning was Joshua not riding at all with colonious punches and punches and countering when he did come forward Joshua's moving backwards that half step backwards that Manny Stewart the late great Manny Stewart who I'm sure we both loved it was wonderful to be around who would give you an hour when you wanted five minutes. I went to his hand wrap class one day in London. No wonderful man. Wonderful man. He taught Klitschko just take one step back whenever anyone was advancing on him and Klitschko look what he did after his catastrophes early in the career that last phase. He was absolutely extraordinary till he met Tyson Fury. Here's what I think this is a style or you'll probably come to this but I think it's an evolution with Joshua rather than the rebuilding at the moment an evolution of a guy who can no longer be gung-ho because he knows what happens when he marches for it's like the experience of age. So it comes to all of us. We pick our battles. Don't we we pick our battles with our partners our wives our children our bosses our employers people in the street you pick your battles, you know, and I think he knows that he's taking more risks if he exchanges with other fighters. So it's a safety first measure and that's how I see him at the moment evolving into that. He's probably not got more than three fights left in my view. I agree and those three fights are significant and those three fights are dangerous and the first could potentially be a fight against Deontay Wilder Eddie Hearn has been teasing for weeks now months even the possibility now likelihood that Saudi Arabia comes through with the right offer to make Deontay Wilder against Anthony Joshua. They're talking about January at the moment. Let's say that fight does materialize the Anthony Joshua that you see right now. How do you assess that matchup with Joshua against Wilder this version of both men? Well, I don't think he's going to get very far with the same game plan the same strategy. Yeah, the same ideology that he and Derek James are creating that he had against Jermaine Franklin and Helenius against Deontay Wilder because Wilder if you put Helenius in his position Helenius did land some punches. I said at the time straight after the fight. I didn't think Joshua would ship too much punishment. He took a few punches out to us when you look at it afterwards that that left eye was at the left eye and the bloody nose he had you know, not look at Helenius after that fifth round thought Helenius had his best round in the fifth and after that fifth round he went back to the corner. He was hollering. He came out of the ring out of the corner after the fifth round hands held high in the air like Helenius was feeling pretty good about himself. He had a quote recently to somebody in his home country about like saying I thought I had the fight in control through six rounds. Well, I dispute that but I did think he had a pretty fair amount of success through five rounds the kind of success that if it's Deontay Wilder instead of Robert Helenius that's going to be trouble for this version of Anthony Joshua. Yeah, much fitter Helenius who'd had a he'd had an eight-week camp for Joshua. I think his fitness. Well, his explanation was afterwards was my fitness started to go and you could tell he sometimes carries the look of a worried Viking. I mean he was as he said at the beginning and I told me for talk sport on the Wednesday or the Thursday. I'm embracing Valhalla here. I'm giving it all the Nordic nightmare and he his fitness probably did tell but he had to be very focused against Joshua. The trouble is we talked from a standpoint with Joshua of I think someone we always want more from weirdly there's stellar eyes and his Olympic super heavyweight gold and his wrecking ball plundering style that was there that we want that back. It's a bit like you'll recognize this great fighters. We've followed on extraordinary nights when we can't sleep afterwards for a couple of days because the adrenaline is still around us. Never mind them those great fighters. We wait for one more great fight before the end, you know, and you just hope Joshua's got two more great fights in him and those two great fights are Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury and obviously Deontay Wilder's people are saying the same. We want two great fights in you or maybe three we want for Wilder. We want a great fight against Joshua a great fight against you sick a great fight maybe against Joe Joyce or Jilly Zhang and maybe a great fourth fight with Tyson Fury and that's that is conceivable for Deontay Wilder, by the way. He's got he's been knocked down four times now by Fury and got up every time till he was neither stopped or nailed didn't want that towel coming in. Was it seventh round in the second fight? He didn't want that towel coming in. He didn't want to get stuck. He didn't stop till he was nailed. Was it the 11th round in the third fight 11th round down and out from that right now Fury Fury was down to that's one of the I'm sorry. I know people accuse me of being very pro Fury. I'm very pro Wilder. I'm very pro Joshua. I'm pro all of them. That's one of the greatest heavyweight fights I've ever seen like I agree. I agree drama theater everything. So to come back to the main point. I make I make Wilder a very big favorite against Joshua based on what we've seen in the last two fights. I would to while I will hit you. Yeah, I would to that that straight right hand for Wilder. You could see AJ. I think AJ would be even more cautious against Deontay Wilder, you know, I thought you shouldn't be no, I don't think you know, I agree. I think you got to push him back. I didn't get to do exactly what Tyson Fury was doing but in doing that you've got to be willing to eat some shots and that's what Fury did. I mean Fury went down repeatedly in the first three fights, but he got back up and he wound up finishing those fights place the last but he didn't in the second fight. He didn't even allow Wilder right first fight and third fight. Yeah different fighters different styles, but Fury is very evasive as well. We forget how how evasive he can be and how he ties people up. Joshua doesn't tie people up in the same way. No, it's a very dangerous fight for him. But the the the the truckload of gold at the end of it if he can pull it off is extraordinary. You can't sit here as I said with Eddie Hearn earlier today, but Eddie's convinced he's his guy. They're very good mates. They've grown through the sport together. It's when you close your eyes and watch the silhouettes moving. I'd love Anthony Joshua to win because I'd love to see a triumphant Joshua then fight Tyson Fury which for us Brits would make the biggest richest British or British clash of all time. But when I close my eyes Chris which I often do with the silhouettes. I see that right hand come crashing through all that or that jab coming through putting it over Joshua's eyes shielding him and that big right hand coming through the gloves in the middle or even a left hook. Yeah, I agree and look we talked about Wilder if somehow AJ got through Wilder. I would give him very little chance against Fury. I think Fury would just look I just think look you've got to if you're going to beat Fury. You've got to engage with him. I don't think you can you can't win a boxing match against a pound-for-pound guy like Tyson Fury. You can't he's going to box circles around you've got to engage with them and make it more of a fight and based on what I've seen Gareth over the last four years. I don't know if Anthony Joshua has that fight in him anymore. I don't care what what who trains him. I just think mentally he's just not there where he's going to you know, drop his hands like he did against Dillion White and throw and get up off the canvas and engage with Vladimir Klitschko and knock him out. I just don't think that guy's there anymore. And I feel like I'm saying the same things after each and every one of Anthony Joshua's most recent fights the you sick fights the Franklin fight and now this fight he's technically changing a little bit because of who is working with him, but ultimately if he's not willing to throw three four five six punch combinations that put him in danger. He's going to have a really hard time winning at these highest of levels. I completely agree. And as I said, you can't give him no chance against Fury. But again, I make Fury a massive favorite in the fight with Joshua as well. If I had to pick around I think you know, I think in I think Deontay Wilder probably gets through within seven even if Joshua's having a good fight unless he can put it on him. And I think the same with Fury if not, maybe fewer rounds if Fury wants to fight that way, you know and wants to put it on him. The thing is with Joshua if he does hit you hard, you're probably going to go as well. You're probably going to go but it's that combination as you rightly say, you know, if he can get on the inside throat because he's got a hellacious uppercut as well as me but like you say it's you know, the most fascinating stories. I wrote on him last week leading into leading into it were how do you not overthink a new opponent in six days and also where is his mindset right now and I must have spoken to you know, we like to do pieces that are about voices. I must have spoken to 10 voices on him inside and outside his team. I don't agree with Tony Bellew and David Haye that he should take another fight before Wilder. It's just longing it out. I do think as well if if he gets a decent, if he beats Wilder of course, there's a massive Fury fight there Eddie Hearn believes even if he loses to Wilder 60 million dollars is the reported fee by the way, come on just take it. Yeah, you know, I mean, it's a great show. Everyone wants to see the fight because they want to see if Joshua can do it. Eddie reckons the Fury fight is still there for Joshua even if he loses to Wilder. So in a sense, he has nothing to lose other than a more blemished record. He's he's going to struggle to be come the number one of this era. He needs a trilogy fight with you sick. He needs to beat Fury and he needs to beat Wilder if he does that by the way, and even if he fights those two guys, he hasn't fought he will have fought all the other guys in the era and the other ones won't have I honestly think I mean, I disagree with Eddie on that one. I think if he loses to Wilder the Fury fights a wrap. I just don't I don't see how you market that if you've had lost twice to sick and you've lost to Deontay Wilder and your only wins are coming against mid-level guys like Jermaine Franklin and Robert Olenius. I don't see how you sell a fight like that to any public much less the British public. Yeah, and if Fury loses to you sick and you have two losers which you see maybe yeah, you can be a rematch. Yeah, maybe like that. He'll forget about the video game you gave him on his birthday.
THE FIGHT with Teddy Atlas
"joe joyce" Discussed on THE FIGHT with Teddy Atlas
"39 years old. And Joyce is 38 years old, no spring chicken. See the one of them. And Zhang's been a pro already for 9 years. Before we get into, let me just give you a little setup and then we'll just jump right into it. Zhang two time Olympic boxer. You've called a lot of his fights. I saw the clip you put up on Twitter where, you know, you pointed this out, you've been pointing this off for years, but you know, a lot of times these fighters get to like 15, 16, 20 and oh. But who have they fought? And in some cases in Zhang's case, he clearly fought someone and I'm not trying to be funny. They might as well grab the guy out of the audience. He took a shot to the gloves and is shot to the shoulder and just went down like he got hit with a sniper rifle from the stands. Knockout for Zhang. And like you've always pointed out, it's not a really a way to test the guy to see where he's really at. Good or bad, but in jenks case, maybe he's just been being fed cannon fodder because against Joe Joyce, he looked like a world leader. He Joe Joyce had no answer for a straight left down the middle. It felt like Zhang could hit him with it whenever he wanted. He could have hit him in between rounds with it. I mean, Joyce's eye was swollen. He looked like he went, he got assaulted by 20 people. I didn't see this coming. I thought Joe Joyce was on a fast track to challenge for a title after that fight. I mean, Joe Joyce looked like a different fighter to me and I'm curious to hear from your perspective as it was it just because he fought a southwell. By the way, he's been in training camp for at least 8 weeks. He knows he's fighting a big 285 pound heavyweight with a straight left. It was like right down the middle here it comes. He might as well have been had a frigging siren and flashing lights on it when it was coming down the middle, but yeah, I think everyone was shocked. I think Zhang was maybe like a ten, 12 to one underdog and my God. He beat the brakes off of Joyce for the entire fight. What do you think and where do you think Joyce goes from here? And what do you think is next for Zhang? Well, first off, I didn't call a lot of sanctifies. I quote his first pro fight on ESPN four round that there was a former didn't matter wasn't going to pass 17 seconds because the guy was a professional dive of from the Olympics, and he happened to show up with a bathing suit on. And in a boxing ring. And he got like a 9 9 9 squaw for his dive against Zhang, if you haven't seen the clip, go look at it, that Ken was alluding to that I put up there of his first fight. It did look like a dive. I mean, he could have that opponent could have, I think his name was Tate. Could have opened up a school for professional floppies. You know, you want to learn how to do a flop. Go to his school, hit teach out into a flop. But at the end of the day, Joyce, I caught his Olympic fights. I'm talking about Zhang stayed has been pro 9 years, was the extraordinary. He finally gets a big fight while he had one before this he lost the decision. I thought he wanted actually. He lost a decision before this. But this is a big fight. He gets the win. He's been prone 9 years. He didn't turn probe to his 30 partly because he comes from communist China and also because he went into two Olympics being that he came from communist China. They don't have professional boxing. They started having it. They started doing some shows over there. Arab got involved with one of their gold medalists from one of the Olympics. They started doing some shows, but a lot of the communist countries back in the day the Soviet Union amongst them Cuba still to this day, their fighters quite often, it's not an unusual for them to fight to Olympics. You know, into their late 20s, even at 30, so it's still fighting average because they don't have professional boxing over their countries. They have to escape like Cuba, they would escape, they come over here to win world titles to fight for world titles. Have the opportunity to come to this great, great, great, great country. And get that opportunity. So Zhang didn't turn pro tools 30 he's 39 now. Man, again, long, long time. Before you fight the big fight in your career. Choice is 38 years old. Also, footnote Olympics. Silver medalist. Both of them with silver medalists actually zang fought in two Olympics, one of them he got knocked out in the finals who won the silver medal choice who also won a silver medal in his separate Olympics at a different time. Joyce to me and he was always what he is. You know, he's the slowest and ice wagon going uphill. You know, he and ice wagon. That's a good one. You know, he's a ponderous guy. And he's a good puncher, tough as nails. Good Chen. You know, gets insulted if you miss him for the most part. And he was beaten guys. You know, they were picking the right, but he beat me, he beat a good fighter and Joe Parker, you know? And a good box of good fighter experience guy. I'm going to go out there on a limb and tell you something that nobody touched on and everyone has a different sort of chronological time clock as to when they get old. I always talk about fighters get old and you got to judge from chronic logically in a different way. Where they get all partly because of how many punches they've got hit with. Not just only chronologically, not only by the number, the year that they were born. And the number that now registers is their birthday. But as their birthday, I think it got old. Now, listen, again, he's that slow guy. He's easy to hate. He's a good punch. He was always relentless. He wasn't that relentless. He was even slower than usual. I just felt I'm taking nothing away from Zack. I just felt that, listen, I know the other guys are year older. So what? Everybody has a different time clock. I look at George Foreman. There's a movie coming out about him. The great man, you know, because he didn't get old. He didn't get old like other people get old. He won a world title when he was 45. You know, odds he more, the great old man goes. Some of these fighters take Jersey Joe Walcott. As a Charles, some of them just did it later in their careers. They were different genetically. They were made up differently. But Joyce, for all the things that are still consistently the same, as far as his style, his abilities, you know, his
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"Lot of respect, which I appreciate. And I would love the opportunity to fight him. Look, it's not for all four heavyweight titles, and he's not Joe Joyce isn't the guy who beat Anthony Joshua twice, but if that's plan B, that's a palatable MB, much more so than fighting someone like Derek Chisora or something absurd like that. Yeah, Joe Joyce. Very credible to face the summer. That's a Wembley Stadium type of fight too. You do a big crowd in the UK. That would be a nice save if you're Tyson Fury. Then maybe you can revisit in the fall. Maybe they get the Middle East interested. That's that seems to be where you, it's most likely you can get a deal done because of all the money that's in Saudi Arabia in Abu Dhabi, wherever they negotiate with, but again, I'm just stunned. Those two guys, they get fights done. They get deals done. And now we're gonna have to wait a little bit longer to crown undisputed champion at heavyweight. All right, follow Keith on Twitter at idec boxing read his stuff over at boxing scene dot com. If you see him in Vegas on Garcia, tank fight week you'll be wearing the Charlotte Android T-shirt. He's promised me all week long. So if you're looking forward, it's black, it's red. It's nice, check it out. Keith will happily sign your T-shirt if you're wearing it as well. So Keith, I do appreciate all that you've done for the book. I'm here to serve Chris mannix. So it's all good. And when we come back from overtime elite, Brandon Rhodes. So everybody listening to this podcast listens for boxing stuff. But you also know that I am a huge NBA guy. The NBA seized is coming down to the wire. So now, is the perfect time to download FanDuel America's number one sportsbook, because new customers get a no sweat first bet up to $1000 that's bonus bets back. If your first bet doesn't win, just download the FanDuel sportsbook app, it's safe, secure, and super easy to use. Then you give it on everything. From the money line to point scores and threes drained, I just took a big L on FanDuel. Usually I like to talk about winnings, but I had the spurs plus 15 and a half last week against the Celtics, and then they went out and took the biggest loss in Gregg Popovich's history of coastal team, but I bounced back the day a day later when I took the clippers to beat the bulls that was even weak for me. I'm looking forward to more bets this week on Thanos. So don't miss the chance to get your no sweat first bet up to $1000 in bonus bets when you download FanDuel dot com slash boxing. That's fan dual dot com slash boxing to learn more. And FanDuel is now live in Massachusetts where I made that bet both of them download the app now and take advantage of the great special offers boosts and so much more. Make every moment more with FanDuel and official sports betting partner of the NBA. 21 plus in select states first online real money wager only $10 deposit required, refund issued as non withdrawal bonus bets that expired in 14 days, restrictions apply, see full terms at FanDuel dot com slash sportsbook. FanDuel is offering online sports wagering in Kansas under an agreement with the Kansas City star casino LLC, gambling problem called one 800 gambler or visit FanDuel dot com slash RG. Colorado, Iowa, Michigan, New Jersey, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Tennessee, or Virginia, one 800 next step or text next step to 5 three three four two in Arizona, 188-878-9777 or visit CPG dot org slash chat and Connecticut 109 with it in Indiana, 105 two two 4700 or visit KS gambling help dot com in Kansas, one 8 7 7 7 70 stop in Louisiana, visit WWW dot MD gambling help dot org and Maryland one 8 7 7 8 hope and why or text hope and why for 6 7 three 6 9 in New York one 805 two two 4700 in Wyoming or visit one 800 gambler dot net in West Virginia. Welcome back to another boxing with Chris mannix, as always, you can listen to the show live on the amp app just follow Chris mannix on hand. All right, Brandon rose is the
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"He had him in some difficulty and was ahead. But who is Ortiz ever beaten? So to me, the fight and if wilder had decided to take a long, even longer off, I would have understood. But while we're coming off that fury fight, to me, Andy Ruiz was the fight to make, because you know, like you said about Canelo crazy, water wants to be in there and God bless him for the attitude he has. He's one of the guys that wants to make the big fights. And he's looking to fight the big guys. If you wanted to get one of those fights again, Andy Ruiz was the fight to make, in my opinion, hellenes just didn't have the name power, but I don't know what the PVC, I guess, was trying to milk every single last thing they could get out of Ortiz. And what do they do? They did a dud of a pay per view, and it actually Andy didn't look great in that fight, right? If Andy blows them on and puts them down and puts his arms up in the air while Ortiz is rolling around on the canvas. That's one thing. But he's very tentative in the fight. Knocked Ortiz down a few times, but I don't know if the punch resistance is there for Andy Ruiz like it used to be. I mean, he took that shot from Anthony Joshua, got up, came back, knocked him out. But you look at the aerial waters, a totally different areola knocked him down. I think he was a little bit nervous about Ortiz in that fight in his power, wilder. I mean, we could catch wilder. He's got good hands. That's what makes the fight interesting. That's what makes life. But I tried to look at other fights, Chris and say, so I brought Joe Joyce up. Because think about Joe Joyce to me, he reminds me of a poor man's George Foreman. Big, strong, relentless. Kind of slow, but he moves forward and he can take a shot. And you would see George come out of those fights, you know, 93, 94, 95, he's wearing the sunglasses. His face got beat up, but somebody who babbling incoherently in the corner because he knocked the hell out of him. And I think that that sort of Joe in a lower level reminds me of that. So you're going to tell me Deontay water versus Joe Joyce would not be an unbelievable fight to watch. You know, just from a fan's perspective, it wouldn't be a fun fight. You know somebody's going to get knocked out. You know it's going to be rock and socks and robots. And so that's kind of what I try to do is I went on that list and I had to hit some of the obvious
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"Serious power, man. You can't teach that. No, he certainly got it. A lot of fights I'd like to see Joe Joyce in next, Joyce Deontay Wilder. Oh man, I'd love to see that. Joyce Tyson Fury, Joyce Anthony Joshua. But you've seen what Joyce is now. 37 years old. How hard do you think it's going to be for him to get a big fight? It's going to be hard. It is going to be really great. It's going to be hard. They're going to wait them out. He's 37, like you said. But don't you think we keep mentioning foreman, right? Like foreman was fighting in his 40s and still pretty effective as a heavyweight. I think Joyce could be one of those guys that when he hits the age of 40, if he wants to, he can still be a really good heavyweight. I agree with you. That's a great point, and it's because he's lumbering. He's not quick. He doesn't rely on it. And he has a chin. Well, if you're going to have a longevity in the sport, you need to need chin. But he's very strong. He doesn't rely on fast twitch muscles, which that benefits an older fighter. The thing that really makes fighters retire after the 35 years old, they don't have the fast twitch, they don't have the legs anymore, they don't have the stamina, they don't have the endurance they can't take the punch anymore. All that starts falling apart as a heavyweight when you're naturally not a fast twitch fighter, you're not there, you don't rely on speed, you just rely on that heavy handed, slow, dumping power that doesn't need to connect. Guys like that can last long in their career because it only takes one punch. So I can see Joyce fighting until his 40s, early 40s, absolutely. Yeah, but for the short term, we know usic is not going to face him at least we don't think so.
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"joe joyce" Discussed on Wendell's World & Sports
"Not seeing while all of a sudden. Fury lives in henderson nevada. So what are we seeing more of this guy. Why now is he going to disappear. They did the same ship with anthony joshua and it just knocked out klitschko man. That motherfucker in the next wind should have been on every single american. Tv show that there is everything that they could have got him on. They should have been on ethnic. Josh was should have been on good looking cat. Big strong nice guy speaks well chris. Charismatic get people's appetite. Whetted for someone like this. Get anthony joshua known tyson. Fury should be more known than he is right now but guess what the mental disappear again except for being on the short stint with the wwe. What else has he done to bring attention to the non boxing fans who folded them that fury that did not want to do that is because of the mental health. Some of the things that he went through the first time that he's a little bit leery to get back into that lifestyle. And the might you know unleash some new demons. What's what's going on with that. But man we need to see some more. If the man isn't fighting he should be out there doing something and he's not doing anything so you know. What opportunities does he have to elevate the status as being a public figure that transcends the sport will number one. You need a awesome opponent and while dylan whiten out a wallin which those to fight in october thirtieth. The winter's going to face tyson fury. That doesn't that doesn't excite the average sports fan the my excite boxing fans especially but dillion white. Who's been a guy who should have been fighting for the championship for years. But he's been screwed one way or the other out a wolland already faith theory once in nearly got a win after opening up. A huge cut on Fury's eyebrow but if you remember that that really wasn't a big shingling ding ding in terms of interest in in of the the pay off in terms of momentum towards boxing in that regard. So what dillion whites gonna win or other wallin's gonna win. That's going to be tyson fury. Next opponent. that the post to elevate the sport that's supposed to get non boxing fans interested in that possible contenders. I mean you could be what alexander who said anthony joshua winter. Let's not gonna inspire anybody. Rather have that fight over in europe than in the states if you want more people carrying about that fight especially use sex wince which if joshua's going to try to box a boxer then congratulations who set. You're going to be winning. you know. Again i'll concede the damage done with the opportunity if joshua fury who have gotten together and fought this year when they had the chance. But who else is he gonna fight. Indie release joseph parker lewis. Ot's joe joyce those names aren't going to elicit any type of who. Yeah the world's stop the watch this so maybe if joshua usak then you know you've got to guide british guys and actually going to be fighting for something. The undisputed heavyweight championship of the world never should over in london for the ninety seven..
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"Ways to win. This is boxing with chris manning. Somebody punched him in the face. Joshua is composed and ferocious spanish. Your watch this hosted by s. Is chris mannix. That was my moments now with interviews analysis and every thing going on in the world of boxing when you have talent you are given another chance. Here's chris mannix all right. Welcome back to another episode of boxing with chris. Mannix part of the volume sports podcast network. Pretty quiet weekend in boxing so why not bring in one of the least quiet people. In all of boxing. Lou dibella longtime boxing promoter boxing broadcaster boxing television producer. He joins me and we talk about all the big picture topics in boxing from judging two fighters getting vaccinated to the taffy. Molo pez george campus. Fight we get into the various broadcast networks. That are having various degrees of success. And if luke could promote one fighter from this young crop of top guys who would he pick great conversation with luda bella as always best way to support the podcast get over at apple. Podcasts post a comment leave a rating. It's simple it's easy. It's free is the best way to make sure that we keep doing this podcast week after week. That's it all right onto the show. Slow weekend in boxing. We were supposed to have the deontay wilder tyson fury three showdown in las vegas. That was scrapped weeks ago. Of course because tyson theory came down with kobe. Nineteen there's an interesting fight on saturday with joe joyce heavyweight contender. He's back in action. But it's relatively quiet in the world of boxing. So i figured i'd tackle some big picture. Topics here on this podcast. Do better to tackle them with. But one of my favorite podcasts guests guy that gets irrationally angry for absolutely no reason who makes phone calls to reporters the middle of the night. S- just loves and hates boxing. In equal measure. The great lou dibella president of dibella entertainment. What's up blue. It's a little bit of a double edged sword row because you guys call me in the middle of night regularly. I that's fair but there's equal amounts coming out coming out the going in. I mean there. There are fewer fewer ways in boxing. Entertain yourself taking advantage of the few left. That's that's fair. all right lou. I wanna talk to tackle a few subjects here. I wanna go back to this past weekend because this is still newsy. It's it's i'll explain why it's newsy in a minute. Still we had a good fight between branka stagno and your malchow low in texas costano charles over the undisputed one hundred fifty four pound championship of back and forth type flight that it looked like estonia was controlling the early rounds. Charlotte made a late surge in the final three. It ended in a draw. Which would have been okay. I guess except for the one scorecard submitted by nelson vasquez what wants seventeen one. Eleven in layman's terms. He added nine rounds to three in favor of djamil. Charlie which is absolutely absurd as a scorecard up. Let's get your reaction..
Tha Boxing Voice
"joe joyce" Discussed on Tha Boxing Voice
"Right in theory. That is how it could play out. Mario trap gauge over here. How he'll traps guizhou. What what is a was going. On trapezoid champ just got done with last sparring session of For boorda wars and Feeling good a set so I'm talking Right now talking. Dirt what we talk in sham. Tell me d'oeuvres in galena. Have you ever heard of him. I have not informed me. D'oeuvres incor- lena is Lee opponent replacement for bodu jack. Yes yes yes. I did a read. That article on the boxing voice dot com written by julio and Yes i was aware that i just you know the name. I did. Not realize yeah. Man hailing all the way from venezuela stepping in short notice. Fifteen wins thirteen cao's damn near ninety percent knockout ratio. Y'all how's it. Been here before dog like i swear to. God you cannot take guys from venezuela or from those kinds of countries like that with these kinds of records lightly like picking him. And i'm not saying that he's gonna pull the upset because i really don't even know him. But you gotta be careful with these kind of dudes for sure for sure men. And that's the reason i bring it up is because it's like babu. Jack was expecting john. Pascal his mind was expecting john. Pascal he was working out for pascal. Now he gets his door. He gets his duties looking at his bio trays. They meant his looking old. He's looking like an internal bandette as tight. Man he does. He does look like token there is. You're right and and and he loses focus and then y y ole boy steps on a scene knocks out paskov but it looks like i mean in essex was good champ. Goodfellas was going bill. We we we we. We could call him trapezoid. Mario showed him. I told him. I mean i said put your money. Where the hell you want to put your money where he got these to me on sunday and tell me. I didn't tell you before you know. I'm so ready dog. i'm so ready. Let me stop each murray. You looking like rusada. Yeah that's a good reference. Right there mario. Or i mean because our i know i mean gets thorough on his. Show Do you guys know anybody on this undercard like i think. I know archie shot. That's the only name that seems like it's like somebody i might have heard of. He's also the only fighter that has a reason reasonable. S you talk about this all the time. You gotta have a reasonable enough instagram presence for us to try to recognize you for real. That's a big part. Of what point. If i can find you the natural is gonna bring me first of all david wadsworth turn. We wanna see what he's gonna look like. But when you look at the undercard you looking for those names that you might know in honestly I think it's integral to sharp or something like that. It's don't use. Remember the cat yemen. I don't know anybody. But i think i'll be honest. The danube la bagged on dental fi. Does it for me enough. That's like all. I need because i think he's in a legit of dangerous fight coming back after injury to go in there with a guy like bagged on dental. That you know. Look i'm not gonna stretch the truth. Well he's only known for losing but he's only loan for losing to the top so you know that's it. How much is left. Or how much can he give a guy that isn't on the top and dubai has improving that he's on top. He failed trying to get you know on in that test rather to show that he was in the top. So like you know. This is a dangerous five. We we get to see how his his eye healed as well again. We don't have anything that says bagged on cafe like he's just known as a loser though. I mean that's true but listen and you said real quick. I just want to make this known you said to wa- failed the test. You're absolutely right. He lost that fight but he was having success. In that fight there was a judge that had him up on the cards against joe. Joyce maybe two of them if i if i if i remember correctly you know joe. Joyce showed levels in that fight. He showed what he could do with just a jet that made him dangerous. I don't think that necessarily that means that. Daniel bar is it it just we still have questions you know. And so from that perspective you know. That's what interests me. You know fighting. A guy like Dinner because you know like you said he's only lost to the top like one of those things where he has to bounce back. Do what has to bounce back. And he has to do it. Impressively for for do wop the fight with joyce or he fought another. I want to say level of competition like a parker. I think you know passing. The test was taken a fight with joseph parker. Somebody that people might have thought without boxing in we was only counting on the wasp power for the most part But yeah i mean the fact that he he got well. And i mean to me this return. You're not make. Maybe the return is the real test hat as he looked does he looked tentative me. If he looks as tentative is andy did then. We're going to have a lot of questions because aired hall. Dan and even suffered injury any lieutenant. So do is tinted. Due to an injury we can understand it But you know. That's what we want to see how he gonna look what. What's his spirit. Look like definitely because you know. He's he's used if if if they let him spar he was sparring headgear. You know with the with the protective bar more than likely You know and and Will he flinch. You know because he doesn't wanna get hit because he's expecting the pain. It's going to be interesting and this is what is the fight. They did a good job. Picking bagged on denno. Which is a recognizable name. You know. it doesn't leave a bad taste in your mouth so Pretty good fight man. Pretty good fight but you are right. That under par teigen. I'd say probably the only look forward to on saturday. Because i mean may well have fights out sunday and i don't think there's anything else on saturday right. That's this is it. No this is it. We're going out early. Yeah but like you said. I mean the main event is everything You know the card. You do have a bunch of undefeated guy you know You know say what you want about that but you do. Have tommy furey on the card. I think that it is worth in the co heaping word. He should have been the co main because he has more juice than anybody else on this card. And except for because he's been mentioned as a jake. Paul haswell opponent era. So he's got to do that yet. That that i've thought about that too soon as you said it. If tommy furey zone car. He got to get his his john fury on. He gotta get his luke fairy on. He got to have the gift of gab. Because as we can see you know the moving over to showtime witted getting a little bit more involved with maybe some some boxing heads like yellow man disguise. Coming over man in a guy like tommy furey. Did this elites crazy that he could make such an announcement against a non professional. This is a great fight for him. If he can make him and jake have that in common did they fight. Nobody and people tune in even though get you gotta give jay credit like asker in or s whatever he somebody now woodley is actually somebody and You know epson gives or whatever. His name is absent in his own right. He was able to build his platform and started the whole youtube. Thing with jake I just think that tommy while he's popular and i'm saying he deserves to be the co main of this fight with dubois man. He's gotta be kind of tight like that. Jake is like i mean blowing. Jake gutter real do on showtime and tommy's like the opener on on some fight versus a dude. It's like four and fourteen. i think was. Is this the resume right. yeah well. He's fighting georgian grant. Who's to know Tommy tommy furious fighting jordan grant. Who is to. Here's the thing though that you gotta understand about it though it's like i understand what you're saying and you are right and it might calls tommy. Some you know frustrate affiliates. The thing is is that tommy's doing tommy is approaching the boxing lifestyle. Okay he's approaching the the The instruction manual for a boxer right. So this is who you fight when you're five and you fight guys like this right to jake. He the reason he's on the platform he is is because he didn't go the boxer route. You know he went the youtube tiktok. You know Social media route and it paid off for him. But but tommy's got all his eggs invest in this basket tomorrow. Jay could decide to be a rapper or decided to be a popstar. Decide to be a stunt man decided to be anything that it's going to fat in the wallet of jake paul because that's the business studies in. I don't know..
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"joe joyce" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Canola trying to work the entirety of the fight. One thing i noticed last night will last night but saturday night that i haven't seen in a while was canot really with his mouth wide. Open you'll tire to me. I think that was because if i'm right. He was really missing widely in badly on a lot of those shots. And there's nothing you know more tiring than throwing some big massive looping shot at missing and i saw him a little tired. I'm not saying he was gasol by any stretch. It just seemed like. I think it was around six around seven. Slow down a little bit. But i will say real quick on social media front. I notice that for once. I'm used to having the same thing as you like you know. Go learn how to judge. You shouldn't be this not. I had a pretty good split last night. And maybe because i have a lot of british followers on twitter but i had some people like you really know how to score and then of course what the hell are you watching. Are you crazy. Canals killing them. You can't satisfy to can't everybody is a official judge that should be judging. B.'s fights themselves and being paid. Let's talk about saunders. And how he didn't come out for that ninth round now my take on. This is like look at saunders. Injury was clearly serious. We learn after the fact as you reported. Speaking eddie hearn. He has fractures in his orbital. Bone he's going to have released as we record. This probably has had surgery already and we'll be headed back to the uk on wednesday going to be on the shelf for a very long time. Anyone that knows boxing. Those those orbital bone injuries are serious. Kell brook. I broke his orbital bone against lofton. Did it again against aerospace. He was never the same fighter after that. But billy joe saunders. Mike opens himself up to criticism for not continuing because of his big mouth because he has said in the past that he would never do exactly what he just did very recently late last year. Billy joe saunders. Very public about daniel dubois decision to take a knee and not continue against. Joe joyce daniel dubois. Who had almost the exact same injury as billy joe. Saunders suffered there so while. I don't think billy joe saunders has anything to apologize for with injury like that. Maybe he learns a lesson that you know that injury is real and you simply can't fight through it. It's a lesson pearl outer fighters. I think and you'll find yourself to criticism like you said when you say something like that and then it happens to you but you know in real time when i was watching. I was definitely surprised if i was being stopped considering how close it was. I didn't think it was a bad is necessarily even without knowing knee injury all the closed and i said to myself ok. Canola just gave him an absolute whooping. And there's no way what is gonna come back now. Turn the tide. So i'm of the opinion of this is a dangerous sport..