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Evan Engram & Joe Haden!

NFL: The Dave Dameshek Football Program

37:37 min | 2 years ago

Evan Engram & Joe Haden!

"Banning on a play fake roles. Right. Throws for anger, Abe's. Got it at the five reaches for the pylon. Touchdown giants. What a job by Ingram as he extended the football out as he was about to get hit. So Ingram says, hey, if you're tight end could score I'll try it too. Dave damage football, bro. Grab available on apple podcasts and at fell dot com slash fees. Now, here's your host day damage shit. Yes. Evan ingram. Scoring a touchdown. Last year. He figures to loom even larger twenty nineteen. The giants tight end coming up in just a couple of minutes. Here. Eddie spaghetti by the Glasser you over the moon. I am very excited to hear my boy. Evan ingram. What if he does not instill you with increase confidence by the end of the conversation? I mean, you know, how the players their whole thing is just no matter. What happens their team if they have zero town. They'll be like, we're ready. We're gonna make the playoffs this year hill. That's true. This is the time of year. There's no there's no player you could find in the month of April. Be like. Yeah. I don't know you'll be lucky to get to eight. But I will say for him though, he he's in a strange position. Because when Adele was not on the field is when he kind of sword he took off his numbers were great. So I think he won't admit this. But deep down he's like, oh now, it's my time to shine. So I think he's probably extra confident. Well, I mean, the only thing that's limited himself are is the availabil-. Gotten hurt a couple of times. But if he's right, I really think especially as constructed the New York Giants going into the season with saquon back there and the play action that that he provides and then you have the so-called possession receiver guys. Although I think sterling Shepard's being slept on a little bit there, and golden Tate is so dangerous at the line of scrimmage, if you get him the ball can out quick you, obviously it's a weird paradox that he's not he doesn't have high in deep ball speed, but he can smoke you. If you get him the ball in space, and I think Evan Ingram given that formula. He could be the Vernon Davis. If you remember Vernon Davis seven eight years ago what he was to that Niners offense. He was the guy who is destroying teams up the seem I think of an Ingram has the speed to do that. And the ability to do that. So I look forward to seeing what he what he does. I think he's the big factor for for the giants this season. And I don't think they're going to be an I don't think they're going to be a bump team. This year another team that is kind of similar to them is the Pittsburgh Steelers, not just because the Rooney's and the Mars are old school owners and not just because the two starting quarterbacks were drafted in two thousand and four and have two Super Bowl victories. Well, actually, there are a lot of similarities now that I'm starting to like that Lincoln and Kennedy. And oud. Here's another one for you. They both. They both lost high end number one wide receivers as we now go into this draft. And so it was a great treat before we get Evan Ingram showing up here in just a few you get at least one question spaghetti. We'll see how much time we have with Evan when he shows. But in the meantime, you know, by the way, Evan is one of those names add that one to the list of of people, it's a it's a regular name. Like Glen, Kevin, Gary, Linda keirin, and now Evan these are names that, you know, people who have these names, but no one in the twenty first century has been given that name true a baby born in the year two thousand or or beyond has that name. You are very good at the the weird name for a baby list. The those those names sound like you have to just skip right to the age of thirty five to have that name. Right. I agree. Anyway, maybe that's something. You can ask Evan about. In. The meantime, it was a great treat a couple of days ago to catch up with one of the I think more unheralded great twenty eighteen seasons. Joe Haden was dynamite. There in the secondary. The secondary overall may not have performed gangbusters. But that was not on Joe Haden. He was terrific a great leader. If Pittsburgh Steelers fans are wondering about whether or not they're going to have the appropriate level of leadership in the locker room. We talk about that. And a whole bunch of other things with the great and delightful Joe Haden. All right. I'm very excited about this. Look who see in the Miami-Dade it left everybody. It's number twenty three it's black and gold these days. It's no longer Brown and orange or whatever that t-. I don't know what's going on with that team. I've heard they've made some changes we're not here to talk about them. We're here to talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers represented by Joe Haden. How are you doing really? Well, are you while you know, I just dipped into fashion first of all that nice little what they time piece you call it all the time fees, and and you just left band practice on your way up here. Or woman blazer, it's very handsome. Thank you. I just think that this is the latest example of I see a lot of football guys where items that if I wore people would point and laugh, but somehow you make it look cool. I think as a little as a fashion statement if you wouldn't look too bad now, I'd look silly. If I had you were together wearing then we will look good. Well, like one like where where you have the left arm, and I have the right arm. No. You just have another one like if we were together together. Yeah. Nuts. Do that next time. That's what we're gonna do. Meantime, I don't mean to take a hard right turn here. But I want to talk about your reaction first of all. I think it's wonderful stuff that you do with with your brother with Special Olympics and everything else. I know you were just in Dubai. What are your thoughts on the on the news that we're hearing that it might be funded, or at least it's been suggested just the thought of hurt you know, I was out there. And I would I be with those kids during world games. And it was just it was amazing. You know, just the disdain being out there playing these sports. And so on how much how much passion they have. And it's not about when losing this about just being out there. Having an opportunity to play games. They have an opportunity to have their peers watch them play having having opportunity people to cheer for them. So they're already living a tougher life than you can ever imagine my little brother, he can't talk. You know, saying he's been limited to his whole life not being able to speak. So he's been supporting me four younger brothers in three of them. Play college ball and Jacob was our biggest fan he's every single game. Just so happy and so excited so when we can go to track and. Field events, his botchy ball events and just give him his participation trophy. He didn't even have to win goes over a bronze. But he's up there standing on the podium just excited he's ever be. And to see those kids in that to wanna take that away from him. I can understand. I just feel like that's just mean God, just but on your side, and the way you describe it it is wonderful stuff. And is that how you then became an ambassador to use your platform to give your brother a voice, then this is actually what we did it man, I became a global ambassador two thousand fifteen and just be able to go to these events going to these world games. I walked out with a New Zealand and as for the for the opening ceremony. And there was so crazy like they literally just running through so hype and it's their Olympics. So just being there just really could touch my heart in I get more out of it going there than they than they do. So just do it for my I do for my for Phil good feeling. So I just. It just it just hurt. Well, well, good for you. And the and the great work you're doing good for Jacob. Having a good time going out. There was I assume he was in Dubai with Dubai with me wonderful. Now, let's talk about you mentioned that you have an athletic career of your own. And I don't know if you've heard, but since the last time you wore that uniform there have been some changes on that team. Where do you sit with the with the state of the Pittsburgh Steelers in the calendar year twenty nineteen in January? You might have heard Tom Brady who went on to win. The Super Bowl was doing a lot of this. No one believes in us kind of stuff. I found it a little fraudulent good news for you. I think there are a lot of doubters right now about the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I feel like the same way I think that Pittsburgh has never really been underdog. They've always been the guys a division that people look up to people want to be that team. Because when I was in Cleveland, we always see there. We gotta be still gotta be distillers. And now just heaven. We have so much talent. On the team that now with them being the underdogs and us being able to come from people not really expecting us to do anything. I think that's gonna be a different different place to be in. But at the same time, I think it's going to bring the best out of everybody that we have on squawk where do you come down on this idea? I've been kind of pushing back from a fan's perspective. But also bouncing off of pro football players over the years. It seems to me that we've gone in this direction where it's been decided that if your quarterback is not the greatest leader of men like something off the silver screen, then your team can't do. Well, and that's not the diminish Rothlisberger. A lot of people have stepped up to two vouch for what he does for individual teammates, but marquees pouncey and I've even spoken directly with Cam Hayward. I do the steal from where you sit to the Steelers locker room lack for leadership, not at all. Not at all. We have really really good lease team been being one pouncey obviously being one Cam. Hey, we're being one myself being one. I think at the same time, you have a lot of individuals that I mean, are you can't be everybody's not going to be best friends. Everybody is not be. You know, what I'm saying buddy, buddy? So when you have guys that have big personalities and have to you have to form and try to make friendships people are gonna feel certain types of ways. But ended the day. You gotta go out there. You gotta handle business. You gotta get the job done. So I've been on teams where I cannot understand going into a game with Big, Ben. I'm so excited. I feel like we win every single game that we go into him. So I mean, I I've been on the other side. So that's all I can say with him. And I'm just I'm super happy that he's still on our team. And I know that we have a chance saints that late December game in Heinz field. Have you been in touch with any of the teammates with coach Tomlin or otherwise, I've been touched where I've been such basically a little bit everybody. I've talked to Cam talked to AB talked to juju talk to a Toronto. Edmonds. You know, all all of my young guys that are. The DVD's in, you know, just tho those dues man, but depre- everybody saw I think we're really really excited. The guys are still on the squad ready to go just filling like we got a lot to prove. It is very interesting. The vibe that has already presented itself here in spring. And I can't wait to see what the draft and the run up to the season what sort of attitude the Steelers, and then of course, come September. I can't wait to see what you've put out on the field. But as you mentioned, it's not as though you guys are devoid of talent on the banks of the three rivers there. Right. No, not at all. We have. We'll let it with talents. Do. Now, I want to go back to at the at the Super Bowl. I caught up with one Cam, Jordan New Orleans Saints. And I said are you okay with what happened in the NFC title game? And he said, yeah, I'm I'm I guess I'm moving past it. But you know, I'd rather be here. And I said, you know, you gotta tell the people in New Orleans. Yeah. Maybe that called in go your way that in that game. But there was a game a few weeks prior to that one in New Orleans the same stadium. They wanna. To call. So when against that one Joe Haden that might have changed the entire landscape of the play offs. As a matter of fact, I want to show you this. Eddie spaghetti. If you would let's show show our guest here a play fourth into two minutes to go. The Steelers about to pull off the impossible a week after defeating the mighty patriots. They go into New Orleans and are about to vanquish the team in line to be the number one seed drew Brees throws it. Ball gets tip that the line by Cam Hayward and Joe Haden barely puts a hand. The Michael Thomas is back your emotions when you when you see that play. Beside myself. How about not even looking back in the moment as much as you can. Visit did you feel like this was our moment? Coach Tomlin challenged us to step to step up after the raiders loss. And do the impossible beat the patriots and the saints back to back weeks, and you had done it, essentially, did you feel that in the moment that you knocked that ball damn we did it felt like we did, you know, playing playing DB. I did we're Hansie willing to line. Michael Thomas, the physical do so we're battling. So I'm thinking this is this is combat. You know, this is within the five yards. We're getting hands on each other. But you. Being a db. It is what it is. And I've always understood that you're not really going to get those calls. They want you play which your behind your back. But it the league is just changed so much by just you can't hand fight. You can't do any of those things. So gotta wanna play with your feet, and it sucks in. And I just was always tried to got to just try to make a play. I like to I'd like to play. What if when it comes to the NFL what if this had gone that way? How would it have affected the near future? I say that if that play stance that that is a Steelers victory there that then everybody on the plane from New Orleans back to Pittsburgh. It's still in good. We did it. We wait. We rose to the occasion backs to the wall. Collectively we're on our way to the playoffs assuming victory against syncing next week, and we are not just in the playoffs. But we have now taken on the mythical team. No one wants to play because we've just beaten to the very best in the league. I say, then there's no discord practice. I think that you guys go into the playoffs on what? Ever happens. There happens air go. I think Antonio Brown is still a Steeler. How do you how do you respond to that? That's a lot. That's a lot. You know? I'm doing a lot of what if extrapolations that was a great. That's great. I mean, you so sweet if that would happen. But you know, it is what it is man. Like, a businesses crazy, and I definitely feel like we were on the right path. And it it definitely switched up the whole season for us. That's all I can say it has taken on a weird narrative in retrospect because as I keep pointing out James Connor gets hurt in that chargers game. And if you guys get into the playoffs, and you have imbued with the confidence of defeating the patriots. Once was there an attitude was there a vibe that were catching fire right now. And we are going to be we're not just going to make the playoffs. But we're not just trying to survive the regular season to get to the postseason. But we're in a position to really make some, hey, if we get their oh one thousand percent, you know, when we played when we play in New England, and we saw in diverse schedule was the the top three teams in the NFL. So we were looking at it. Like man, we can beat them. We can be anybody all we gotta do is get into the dance, and we can be any team. So like you said when we'd be New England than we would ready to beat the saints. Like that would happen. We were we were filling it because those are the teams that we were like all right bet. No matter. What happens? No matter how bad seasons been going. We got the patriots. We got the saints. Like, do we gotta do. And whatever happens happens this Kevin. Well, actually, I mentioned that chargers game. It makes me or. Reminds me of this towards the end of the third quarter, Joe Haden intercepts the ball is smacked. And and then it gets broken up by an opponent. Wait. No. It wasn't an opponent. It was Sean Davis. What what have you said the Sean Davis about that? Man. That's my do not. So he just tried to break on the car. He just broke on it. And I know he meant no harm, but is just from place wrong time. I was just like I just wish you would have a worse break this time just break the other way. But I mean, he knew no he didn't he mean? No harm. So now, that's that's my guy Maryland, Maryland native over from the same state. So that's that's it really is to me. And I know a lot of people say, oh, you see your record is what you are what your record says, you are you can't play like a couple of plays here and there, but have you ever been a part of a season like that where you can really there are couple of kicks a couple of turnovers here and there where the is completely different. I'm literally with the Browns. We could have won ten games by a by a one play. Yeah. So. Definitely a game of inches. This one play here. One play there when you could literally change entire season. Well, I said I don't want bit just because I'm a fan, and I still live in the recent past. You can't do that. It's time for twenty nineteen this last question has Kevin Colbert ask you, what do you think we need Joe? Or if he did what would you say we need X in on our roster. Roster. We're very very talented. I think one thing. In. This is never I'm never trying to knock anybody in the physicians. But losing Ryan shazier was a really really big thing. I remember that he's silent silent. He was one of the best linebackers in the league. He was going to be one of the highest paid linebackers in the league for sure his ability goes without saying he was literally a coach on the field. He knows the defense is better than anybody else. I would say him and William gay were two of the smartest players I've ever played with as far as understanding the defense knowing what everybody does and why they do it and his passion that Bush was going out there. Head on fire out there running on the sidelines. Smacking people making plays forcing turn over. So that was one player when piece that we can get another Shazia that'd be that'd be sweet I area, and that I've come across few guys sweeter than Ryan shazier who anytime I tried to engage him in football conversation preferred to talk about his his little kid, and and what he had going on at home, a wonderful guy. And I they say don't meet your heroes. I love the Pittsburgh St.. Dealers. And I know that it's been a pleasure to talk to you. Because it's nice to to see that. The Steelers have some nice guys in that locker room. And as a matter of fact, I know that they're lousy with them after meeting so many Cam, hey, where everybody else I have a good reason to root for not just 'cause I've rooted for you my whole life. Go get them in twenty nineteen world the frowns, right? Cut it all it's ridiculous. Dave didn't add an old don't. Boy. Oh, boy spaghetti rare. Has there been such a sweet guy seated next to me as Joe Haden, the work? He does often feels great. He was awesome to us in studio and one of the best quarterbacks Vilis module of recent time that it was really funny too. We're not really funny for for you and hand to watch that a pass interference play. But the see him be locked in. And then just kind of is emotion just drop and just like relive that. It was it was actually for me to watch from a distance was quite funny. I don't like going into those places emotionally. I don't like taking Joe into those dark corners of of recent history felt I had to do it. Yeah. It's still definitely bothersome to he was really rocked to the core by that play. And he was like whispering. He was like, oh, man. We actually triggered him for that. But with a play I didn't like it either. Now, let's move on from the banks of the three rivers. A I think it's about a five hour drive to to Manhattan, and and. Fits with what could be a breakout year in year. Threes already shown signs of being able to carry that load. He's gonna get a lot of targets for me lie manning this year here. He comes Evan Ingram. Dave davidge. Hey. I mean, yes, we talk game of football. But we also talked game a life and one of the key aspects and twenty nine thousand nine hundred right here. And now is game of thrones. We're talking with the tight end from the New York football giants. It's Evan Ingram. What's happened in fellow? So I'm fine. So well, let's just go right to it. I I liked the generally warm up a little bit. But let's get right to the hot take who gets the throne when it's all said and done. I need to get up. There you what are you talking about? I need to get on any of the game of thrones. That's what we're talking about. Joey Bosa is has made a cameo on it. Now. Evan Ingram thinks he deserves to really they wanted to finalists for this round. As for a big role mass for lines like they just wanna be like pants shot. Like battlefield my hair flown going crazy. Yeah. I just want people to say was that right there. That would be I like that. I think that you don't need. I don't need. I don't need them on the lines. And just put me in do this. Say lycene say like what you like what they say all the time as they talk about strawberries, I don't know why. But they talk about don't play at war. They always say that line. Give me that line and your best game of thrones. Character voice, don't wal boy don't play at war. Okay. You know, what not bad not bad? Then they also they don't say strawberry. They say strawberry strawberry. Okay. Okay. There's something to work with him. I mean, I'm not alone. And that's just his author. I wasn't present. Yeah. This is. Yeah. Those offers. That's good. Okay. Let's come moment. I here's what will maybe make some time for game of thrones. We do have our game of game of thrones fantasy league coming up. And we're going to be drafting if you'd like a piece of that you're more than welcome to join us actually actually thinking about doing fantasy team this year. I've not done fantasy football. But we did know I'm telling you. We'd do a game of thrones. I'm not I'm not playing games with the with the. Yeah. Hill or whoever whoever's like last man standing if there's if there's if there happens to be some nudity, you know, sharing badge you get points for that. You know, I just want. I just want little tyrany in the area there Indian. Yeah. So he's on my team. What am I going to get out of that? Like, Well, I I mean, he sometime he doesn't kill a lot of people, but he gives a lot of orders to kill people, and he's very clever. So that's kind of like like head of air by making a way and these couple of scenes in the last couple of seasons. He's got a little profit killed the king. He killed his own father. That was worth a lot of points. I think he gets killed is want you to tell I want to tell you that in advance. That's that. That was like a turnover points wise for on points. If you get killed. Yeah. That's not good. So you're going to do a fantasy football league this year. I'm going to do it. I might doing my friends since high school. They always dually, and I've kinda discount not done in the past two years because I thought it'd be kind of weird, but you get mad at your friends if they don't draft you if they take out like, wow, come on avenue. You're great. But Travis Kelsey was sitting there. Now, they actually kinda make fun of me when I think this past year, I was traded like maybe three or four times throughout the league run through the mud. So they were some kind of meat about it. But I think I'm gonna get in there this year just take myself, so I'll have to so you would take so you'll take yourself. But will you take ally? Manning. I would take me. I I some take me first round over saquon even. Yeah. Yeah. Hundred percent saquon second round, he begun by the time eat probably going to be gone. But it's okay. It's okay. I'll take me the law and then the field. I mean, I don't know that there's really a greater show of confidence then drafting oneself in the first round. Like, I said they were trading around this year like like, they're just running me through the mud, and I didn't like that. So I'm going to draft myself. And obviously the goal is to put up as many as possible going to have healthy season getting hopefully pray for success, which I'm working for. So I'm gonna take that in the GM of the year. I won the greatest calls. I minimum. I would like to check back in with you after the fantasy season and see how it all shook out. That's what I'd like to. In the meantime, as you sort of alluded to there have been some changes with with the giants when you left the. Field in late December versus right now. Some guys have laughed some guys have been added. And a lot of indications are that Evan Ingram is going to be expected to carry more of the low two years ago when you got drafted Brandon Marshall their own L Beckham was there people were talking about. This is the best receiving core. And all of football, two years later things have been shaken up significantly. Yeah. Definitely some changes a lot all those things out of my control. And it's is definitely going to be a new look a new look team and new locker room, and, but it's it's just a huge opportunity for a lot of people in in that building. And just the metallic of the guys I know that in their mentality of our coaching staff and what we're trying to go as a team. I can't be more excited about it. And definitely a lot of changes a lot of new faces and going to even be even more faces after this thing that's going to be happening. The couple of weeks I heard about so it's going to I'm excited for it. Kind of get a clean say first year. Everybody's healthy. We get to go to work actually couple of days. Actually, we get back home start with TA's and stuff. Have you talked with the coaching staff? Is there any indication that you might be not in line as much anymore and sort of split out of questions for your fantasy league and hard? Yes. In part. Okay. But actually, we haven't really gotten and all that that's all going to be addressed and stuff when we report. And so, but at the end the day, I'm going to do what I'm asked and in China that attack it as hard as I can. So obviously, there's there's more opportunities in there. And honestly, I like I like being in lawn. You kind of get mashed up on more linebackers that way, and I'm really excited when I get that it makes sense. And it seems like Gettleman has indicated that he wants to go have any wants to try and ride saquon a little bit in year two there and with Tate and with sterling shepherd who is no slouch himself. It does seem like an interesting. Well, I mean, like I say I in fact, even when you're not sitting here, I keep referring to have an Ingram as the x factor for the giants. This year at minimum for the offense. Where's your confidence level in the guy who's going to be delivering you those passes in twenty nine thousand nine number ten Eli manning is through the roof? Through the roof. If you if you look at the numbers you look at the tape you look at the last kind of half season when offense turned the corner when when he laughs protect in the pocket, he's he's making every single throw. He's driving the ball down the field, and we were scoring points. We're having success on the offense out of ball, which we have had success in really two years three years before I even got there. It was it was kinda it was kinda shaky. So I all my confidence is through the roof where Ella, and I think we have opportunity another no opportunity to start fresh and what we have often salon. That's improving that got a lot better last year. It's does allow room to get better. And we got playmakers on on the outside. And we got this kid number twenty six I can't remember his name. Oh, no. He's the other New York running back saquon blocking. All right. Yeah. He's in our backfield. So we have a special talent. And it's it's definitely is great to have that that veteran mind veteran leadership at the quarterback in I. I do the roof McConnell finances. Do I pointed those pieces, and obviously an x factor in how you deploy him his say Qantas, well, he's versatile. Not unlike you, I think you could really, you know, flank out saquon and let them run routes like he's like he's another wide receiver. Do you do where do you come down on the idea? You see the Pittsburgh Steelers. Say goodbye Antonio Brown, not necessarily by their choice. But the I've long said that when you look at these teams the last ten or fifteen years worth of Super Bowl participants that while it's a nice luxury piece to have Julio Jones or Calvin Johnson or Antonio Brown or Odell Beckham. And so on you don't see the guys that have the true legit superstar wide receiver. Megan a lot of those deep playoff runs is. There's something to that. If you command that sort of attention if you demand the ball on some level that it somehow diminishes the offense overall sign the welcome through the office of her. There was kinda rough day for you. When trade. Listen things somebody said they talk about it's been it's been a tough winter and spring. I had some high hopes for the twenty eight Pittsburgh Steelers, those things didn't grouping and no one outside our locker room believes in us right now. And we've got one of you. All right. I according to everybody whoever wins a championship. No one ever believes in them. It's a weird lack of self esteem. That's playing pro sports said that make fun. You just said I'm here for you. And support people out there for you. That's nice. You guys are still allow success. So you'll you'll get over. I mean, I do think there are a lot of similarities from ownership on down between the mayors and the Rooney's and the way they approach things and the way they team build in the stability, and all that sort of so your so your question is great question. Actually, it's. I can see both ways I can see both ways because it when you have those talents, and you have the Julio Jones older Beckham's Antonio Brown's. Allow those names those teams are close. And those teams are the falcons were close Hulu Julio had legendary performance in this. And they were obviously that happened. Then you got a pitcher in the playoffs every year. So they're close, but definitely the balanced game plan is really needed to win championships. You look at the patriots. They run the ball. And they got back. They're making throws when needed it's a balanced attack. They played defense their champion. So it's it's definitely you kind of have that aspect as okay? Well, we have Julio. We have a b we have Odell we have the Andre Hopkins. Like, obviously, we gotta get them the ball, but it comes down to honesty. It comes down to how successful is your balanced attack. Because you have you have to win the ball. You have to run the ball to be successful in this league. And the teams that are really successful. They have strong game. So whether people like it or not the patriots do. Seem often to be about a half step ahead of other contenders. And you saw that was not Tom Brady winning those games in December January as much as it was the youngster Sonny Michelle and they were riding him. So that is sort of a blueprint doesn't get flooded doesn't get boost with because it's not the glamour, obviously, you wanna see guys getting dunked on an end zone. And you want to see all the crazy people getting jumped over obviously that's part of the game. And you do see those plays. But not a lot of people a lot of people like to see the way it gets it done, and they don't really respect it until though that team stand on the stage holding up that trophy. Well, speaking of being on the stage and on the football field and sell on there. Now to number twenty six is in in the same stadium is saquon. Do you know if he has any plans to cut a hip hop album? No, I don't. Honestly saquon can't wrap though now, oh, you can really freestyle off the dome really elite best one in our group. I'm not that good. I try to get in. There. We freestyle I'd have some good bars here and there but saquon saquon good, I mean, I'm you know, I don't know if I'm the perfect judge for that. We would have to turn that over to Keenan Allen. What did you think about that? It's a new day, isn't it? I mean, the new day where we have players on out of it was kind of it was kind of out of pocket, but he did ask if fire address. It was the tweet with funny. It was it was kind of kind of it was kind of out of pocket. But I mean, he did ask it's too bad. My only regret is that the jets and chargers aren't playing in two thousand nineteen because now that would have an added an added element. It was it was funny. But I mean like I said he asked so people can have their opinions. So hey, real quick. We have a giants fan behind the glass names Eddie spaghetti. And he loves you and everything big blue spaghetti. I wanna give you a chance to ask a question here. I just want to say well, first of all Evan great meeting. You. It's not the make him feel as pro my feels good already. I there's been a lot of obviously the giants being in the news alive is offseason for various reasons a lot of almost negative news. But in my mind, I think with these two first round picks we have another year under Pat Shurmur is offense. I'm like we. I think this actually could be really good even in a tough division. So tell me why I'm not crazy. The thing. It'd be a very good team this year. Listen is actually what we wanna be. That's all. Like people wanna sleep on those people on the question, this we embrace all of that. And I think like you said another year and offense another year in culture that will build in. And we have a lot of picks that are going to come in. And we are draft class last year was probably the most professional most game ready. Most mature group of guys that came in that room the youngest guys in that room were were already natural leader. So our front office knows what they're doing when they're when they're scouting these kids and they're bringing them in. I say kids like I'm old. But but we're exactly right. Where exactly what we want to be on MandA union? No, you know, our fans, and obviously you're not passionate is time for us to win games in that city. And I get I'll tell you. This those games we'd won this year. We had like maybe we I think we had two two week to week game win streak is not that much. But it was a most fun than that. We've had I've had in a long time. So I'm looking forward to getting some more of those. Spaghetti? All right. That's fine. He boosted boosted one giants fan. Art. You're gonna get outta here. Evan Ingram last question. Biggest rival in the NFC east. Go Philly really out of fans or psycho. Poor Carson Wentz. Right. Nobody's got more pressure on them than Carson Wentz. This sees. I'm never been on the sideline where you get on the sideline. You see the people that have the silent passage, you know, they're usually take him pitchers in their Ian, having fun. They're ready to fight woman up next to them. They're ready weird. This guy is going to be on game of thrones. You don't want to fight with him. He's gonna why our wasp for the hair flow in the back. That's when you know, it's Ingram. All right. Very nicely done. Evan ingram. What a pleasure to see. You. Good luck with your fantasy team and your real football team in two thousand nineteen stay healthy. And we'll be rooting for you, especially spaghetti. He's really going to be by. What did you think spaghetti these awesome? He's my liked him for guess football playing of the year without a doubt. He's favorite football plane guests. Yeah. I know we're in April long way to go by he was good. He was good. He was delightful. But he's your favorite guest of the year. He has a great personalities into game of thrones. He is a huge huge huge part of what the giant success will be this upcoming season. I tell I tell them Aretha Jones drew about this race. I'm talking about guests guy comes in once in a while Maurice's, basically a regular. Okay. All right. I'm trying to think who else would be a contender. I mean Joe Haden Joe Haden was a alternate guy. He was great. I I have to review. I mean what a delightful guy Joe Haden for real delightful to eight-plus guests this episode jam pack. Excellent episode indeed great work by use begetting with that incisive question that you dropped ending. Ingram's laugh. See Freudian say he he he did not laugh. He didn't give me a great answer. Yes. He did nicely done spaghetti. All right. We'll be back. I understand that will be paid a visit by what Matt money Smith seen in a few weeks now. So we'll look forward to catching up with him later in the week. In the meantime, make sure you check out Daves of thunder available wherever you find your favorite podcasts. Lots of good stuff for you NFL dot com slash including. But not limited to we show. You some of those plays with Joe Haden and get his reaction to the Steelers twenty eight thousand season, maybe painful for Steelers fans, but you need to expose yourself to take it in feeling. It's been a thin slice ahead.

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Steelers News: Joe Haden signs two-year extension, more moves likely coming soon

Behind the Steel Curtain

45:15 min | 1 year ago

Steelers News: Joe Haden signs two-year extension, more moves likely coming soon

"Pittsburgh steelers fans what's going on. This is jeff hardman editor of behind the curtain dot com with you for a the first episode of what i'm show called the show. I'm calling the steelers news and i'm gonna do this show and possibly with other people today is just me whenever never newsbreaks in some way shape or form. I was going to do like a burning question episode tonight and all of a sudden is preparing for the show ban it hits twitter goes beserk jeremy armie fowler adam schefter of e._s._p._n. Report the joe haden cornerback of the pittsburgh steelers receives eighty two year contract extension. Some are calling it a three year deal yet one year left. You can break it down however you'd like what they did is. They really gave him a ton of guaranteed money. <hes> reportedly that's over sixteen million dollars in guaranteed money dan. This new contract will bump him up over <hes>. I believe a hundred and twenty four million dollars in his career making him. The highest paid cornerback n._f._l. History passing terrell rita's so what does this mean for the steelers now first and foremost it means that they have the number one quarterback joe joe haden locked up and in the steelers organization for italy's the next three years including two thousand nineteen. That's the first thank you should be happy about that. The steelers obviously feel comfortable and confident joe haden staying healthy. Even after the age of thirty. That's going to be interesting to see how the pains out especially ashley with his injury history because he normally does not stay healthy for sixteen games but we can always hope right. What else does it mean. It means that this new contract extension and moving all this money into a signing bonus likely creates a significant amount of salary cap space for this two thousand nineteen season so everyone's been wondering ring with the steelers are gonna do. They've released their practice squad already. They've already cut down their roster from ninety one players fifty three and everyone's wondering what are are they gonna do. What are they going to understand. They're going to have to sign a tight end. In my opinion tight end position is the biggest need for for the steelers right now and so jerry do lack of the pittsburgh post gazette already said that because of this move it likely they're gonna make a move to their on their 53-man siemian roster so make sure that we stay tuned. It's what he said so. I would expect in the next twenty four to forty eight hours. We should see a player player. Be moved injured reserve on the fifty three man roster. That's gonna create space. It's gonna make a move is going to see it. It's going to change things are going to change so keep that had in mind as we progress. The show and ultimately people are talking about a safety. That's a possibility but i think the tight end is obviously a bigger need now. Snowman in the live chat right now. He says signs sign rave digger and he's referring to j hargrave j von hargrave is entering the final year of his rookie contract after this season if the steelers do not sign him before the new league year begins in march he would become an unrestricted free agent according to jeremy fowler e._s._p._n. He stated hargrave will be the steelers next obvious choice in terms of players that are in the building to get a contract done. They said it's unlikely in that hargrave is preparing to play out this season and then hid free agency next season. It's going to be up to the steelers and what are they willing to pay him to keep him. In from hitting free agency in other words do what they did with <hes> ramon foster this year and that's get him a new contract so that he never or even hits the open waters of free agency so does it. That's news. That's big news big news because up until yesterday up until tonight. I was asking people oh boy guest today on the <hes> steelers roster cut breakdown special. If you didn't see that with myself brian anthony davis an dave scofield <unk>. You need to go back and check it out. Not only was it entertainment. It was informative and it was a lot of fun but i asked his guys. You're going to get done and most of them said no. I'm as lands williams's before on other shows and he he said no. He just said it. I i understand why the feeling was. Is that the longer it's taking then. Obviously it just didn't look like it was going to happen however at the same time the sealers clearly and this is something that i can't take credit for lance. Williams said this to me via text message. When the news broke clearly the steelers see urgency and feel the urgency of the situation that they're currently at. It's not that they're super. Window is closing is that they see a really good chance for this particular team sixty right now and you can't let if you've we all might have differing views on this type of stuff but if the steelers organization not you and me talking or listening or reading or watching whatever we fuel is not important but if the steelers organization feels that joe hayden is a huge part of the success of this team moving forward and then you combine that <hes> within rothlisberger him being the full for only three more seasons including this one then you have to absolutely make this move it might not be the best decision and for you in the long-term but if it can get you a super bowl you make this move absolutely make this move and so like i said my opinion your opinions mean nothing not a zip zilch what does matter if the steelers are viewing their roster and and saying we've been. We've got a couple other pieces like offense of line. That's getting older. Now is the time now's the time they have a good mix a good fusion of young talent on both sides of the football you think about guys like james connor juju smith schuster james james washington jalen samuels. All those players are young football players still in the rookie contracts on defense. You devon bush now you have you look at steph onto it. Who's only in the second contract. Shave on hargrave sean davis <hes> a lot of these players are still very very young and so they clearly think that this is the time i don't wanna talk about super bowl windows opening or closing because honestly you just don't know any every single year. One major injury could derail what could be a potential superbowl winning season and robert reminds me of. I forgot his name but t. j. watt as a young talent on this team but still for me. I look at it and say this is a move they needed to do. It's it's a move they needed to do. It's not necessarily the best long-term deal but it's in new that had to be made and you know what i'm glad it's made. I'm glad it's made now. I'm glad it's made on sunday sunday one week before they kick off the season in fox for on sunday night football. I didn't want this lingering into the preparation because although i don't think it would be a big factor you don't want it to even be close to a factor if you know what i mean so. I'm glad that they got this done. I'm glad glad it's over with. I think they're going to go out and sign a tight end. It least tight end. They might make another move as well <hes>. I don't think that there are fifty three man. Roster is any even close to potentially being over with <hes> but still i absolutely think <hes> this is a move that was good. I'm glad glad that it was done when it was done. It gives them a week. The one hesitation i have has nothing to do with hayden at all so this is gonna create salary cap space. He's like i mentioned a probably sign tied at but here's the issue that i have. We saw this when they picked vance mcdonald and the trade with the san francisco forty niners this offense. This team is not a team. I feel can anyone can just come off the street plug and play and you're good. I just don't think so so for me. I it's it's going to be one of those situations. Where if you're bringing in a tight end. You're not looking for a tight end. It's going to be not a dynamic field stretching receiver. You're looking for a tight in that. I said this yesterday a matt spaeth. I titan because you know no. You might not know every single play from route standpoint from the route tree from what ben rothlisberger is reading but if you're a blocking tight end and you're really good at as edit that part of your job you can't catch the ball but you really excel in that area then by all means you can plug and play. They can get you off office street and say hey. The terminology might be a little different but this is the play so what you need. Is you need a two way tight end but someone that really focuses on blocking to really be that the extra guy on the edge. You can run the bench formation. You can show off that versatility with players like deontay johnson juju smith schuster. They can flex in an <music> out. Just add the repertoire doubt my question will be is if they were to sign a tate in in what happens is gentry does does he get cut. Does he take up that extra spot on the on the <hes>. They still have one open spot on their practice squad. Things are not done folks. If you're thinking king the okay i can print off my fifty three man roster now and i can absolutely go ahead and learn these guys. I would do that just yet. I wouldn't do that just yet. I would absolutely absolutely say just wait a second. I guess it before my tomlin's press conference. That's tuesday at noon. The steelers will have made some news in. I think that's what they're gonna. Wednesdays the first prep day. They've been in the lab getting ready for this game for weeks but i think that that's the very latest that they can make a move. Who've for this upcoming week in this coming season so we'll see it's going to be interesting going to be fun and i hope that you're keeping tabs on behind the steel curtain dot com. We're the first ones once it hits twitter. We actually beat e._s._p._n. Look getting our article out. Thank you dave scofield tip the cap for getting that pre right done and then obviously you make sure you're staying tuned into these podcasts if you have never seen this. Let's say you just stumbled upon this on on youtube subscribe to our channel. We have seven shows a week. If you love steelers content and you love to just absorb as much as you can. This is your place not to mention the fact that if if you watch us live oh my gosh the lovely people trying to think there yeah in the live chat on my screen right now <hes> it's a great community and you can see when someone pops in as a regular this what's up and everyone's saying hey what's going on. It's great. It's a great community and then obviously on our audio platforms performs anywhere that you can find your podcast. You just search steelers behind the steel curtain. He'll find them all plain and simple so what i wanna do for the rest of this show is i want to answer your questions. It's because honestly. I see all the time and we're doing shows. Steelers preview of the standard is a standard all the time. I see people asking a ton of questions and we can't get to them because we have an agenda. We want to get through the agenda and we don't want to stop the show to answer questions so now's the time. If you had a question it can be about anything it can be at the joe haden extension. It could be about unshaven hargrave. It could be about whatever us if you have a question. Now's the time to ask it can be about like i said anything related steelers now. If you want to use the the super chat feature you don't have to but you can and right where you put put in your comment in the youtube live to the right. <hes> you see a little dollar sign. You can hit that dollar side. You can donate about money. Go straight to the show. You'd have to use it but you can and if you do then absolutely we highlighted in. I'll guarantee to answer your question so i'll get you as many as i can he go. Let's get this show started <hes> room homerun jeff. Do you think this defense can throw brady. If there's a defense they can get to the quarterback. It's the steelers they've proven in the last two years. They've proven it so far in the pre preseason that they can get to the quarterback and here's one thing that i've been really happy to see is running more defensive stance on the interior. That's you saw the safety from to it. You saw buddipriyo stunt look cam hayward before they're getting on the inside. That's where brady struggles he struggles with the pressure that comes rightness face. If you you bring it on the edge he'll step up on the pocket. We've all seen it a million times. The steelers patriots play seemingly every year and you really need to make sure you bring up that pressure right up the gut and that's what the students have been doing. I think they can get to them but can the coverage hold up behind him. That's going to be the biggest question not so much the pressure in my opinion not to mention before i get to sammy's question that the patriots offense of line is kind of in shambles right now all right sammy ask how much of an impact will choose our skipper make look. He had a great preseason and he made the fifty three man roster. I think his job is safe safe but i will say this pump the brakes on your regular season expectations for him okay. I don't think he even gets helmet and a lot of games. Everyone's healthy so i don't want people freaking out if to use our skipper is just really kind of learning for this year and then maybe an impact pack player next year depending on the future of bud duprey in aladdin <hes> john mckee asked. What do you think about the fifty three man roster. We talked about an ad nauseam yesterday. They can check out the podcast but ultimately. I didn't think there any surprises eli roger. I guess but <hes> ultimately i didn't. I didn't think it was that big of a deal weren't as big names that you normally see. I was surprised today though that a guy like sutton smith was not signed to the practice squad that tells me something that tells me something he maybe they missed on that one in terms of navias attitude maybe his health and availability atr now but maybe he just didn't show up the way they thought <hes> swifty pool s. u. C. washington he some jane's washington has a wide receiver to the end of the season or moncrieff beate. I think we've all spent way not much time worrying about this. I don't think it matters. If they're going to have packages set up for washington. I think they're gonna have instead of moncrieff but expect more moncrieff in washington early in the season especially with ben especially because of the report he's built with a mockery especially because james washington hasn't caught a pass from ben roth spree at this preseason. I think that's important. I might be wrong but i think it is. <hes> zac asked what do you think about hilton's tweet. He's coming back to the roster or practice squad <hes> <hes> zaka. I'm not sure if you're talking about hilton or if you're talking about <hes> holton johnny holden. I think that he might be coming back. This whole contract thing could change a lot outta stuff <hes> but i have seen his tweets saying he loves pittsburgh. Black and gold hearts will see could be signed that he is going to be coming back. <hes> runner ass hugh. Who do you think will be the biggest threat to us next sunday night. I don't think it's going to be a tight end for once because all their tight ends or suspended or have retired heard <hes>. I think it's going to be like julian edelman and it's going to be james white out of the backfield. Obviously tom brady so sadly. I i wrote an article today about that. For the a letter from the editor i got absolutely shellacked in the comments section for it. Look if the steelers stumble out of the gate and i said this yesterday israel michelle if you listen to it i apologize for repeating myself but if the steelers stumble out of the gate against the patriots in week one don't freak out okay just don't there's no need to freak out. It's week equal. It's one game. It does have importance. I'm not saying it's not important. Just it's one game alleanza what was really under that she he said it. It was a bookcase okay. He said it was a book as he watched show yesterday. Dave head is coffin like structure behind him covered in a sheet. I thought it was a coffin. I probably pretty sure he's lying leases races bookcase but <hes> he's the book as i wasn't at his house to know so i love to go with what he says tequila drinker. He asked a chances dances that there's a six receiver added. Maybe it's johnny holden. Maybe they're waiting to make a move. Maybe someone like justin lane goes into reserve in which case it can bring a by fifty three that roster but again. They're going to bring tight end. They're gonna make more than one news. It's going to be interesting. Football is finally back and nothing adds to the excitement eight minutes watching that first game like having shot at a million dollars draft kings the leader in one day fantasy football is celebrating the start of the season with an extra special official week one contest new users can sign up today and get a free shot at the one million dollar grand prize just by using code s._p. Nation here's what you do download the draftking zap use that code s._p. Nation draft six players from the opening thursday night showdown between chicago and green bay and then draft laugh kings single game showdown contests with two and a half million dollars in total prizes already a draftkings user. You can get in on the action to for a limited limited time. Both new and existing users can get a deposit bonus up to five hundred dollars. Don't forget download the draftkings app and use code s._p. Nation for your your free shot at one million dollars. Only at draftkings make it rain minimum five dollar deposit required deposit bonus requires a twenty five times playthrough eligibility restrictions apply obliged draftkings dot com for details. Okay <hes> in zach did mention the as he was talking about johnny houghton so not a big deal. I have for a second there. I thought you were talking about mike. Did i miss mike. Helton's tweet did he tweet something of significance the m._s. Now okay we're good. <hes> dave scofield would scold scold me. If i didn't answer to talk about this so yesterday on the show we had wrapped up we had four of our survivor leagues <hes> filled with one hundred people and it was pretty cool to think of there's four hundred steeler fans but not just fans behind the steel curtain vans that are vying for this autograph david decastro football so so he on the show brian brian davis it. Let's do another league and i said yes sure what the heck. Let's do this evening and fill up in the league by the time the season starts on sunday night and there's only forty spots left so we've already filled sixty in less than actually over twenty four hours. We filled sixty of one hundred spots in. I'm at the point now. Let's say tomorrow. This is forty spots are completely filled up then. We'll open another one. If we get five hundred let's for six hundred. I wanna see how many behind the steel curtain fans as we can get into survivor pool and it's easy i will after this show which is at nine fifty one eastern standard time i will bump up the article to give you all the information you you need to get into that survivor. League join us. It'll be fun and maybe just maybe you'll be smart enough in terms of your pick them to actually win an autograph of all for for free free kasey nothing that i mentioned it's free it is all right. It's no input five dollars in the tip jar. We appreciate do you think this will. It'll be a top ten defense. I do i really do. I think that they're secondary's improving. I like steven nelson addition. I like joe haden now that that he's comfortable with a new contract. I feel like you'll be able to relax a little bit. Hopefully he stays healthy. I think the steelers defense is going to be a top ten. 'cause i think they're still going to be able to put pressure on the quarterback back that way year daniel asked. Do you think we get an interception. They were premium last year in two thousand eighteen but i think this t- vents if if steven nelson is as advertised i think this defense could be on the verge of getting more turnovers. He had four turnovers last season to last defensive back for the steelers to have four interceptions in one season was none other than troy. We palmolive the last defensive back now quarterback defensive back think about that choice can retired for a long time and that's where we are so it can only go up in my opinion. I think it will this season so every up <hes>. Let's see find similar questions here all right. He's the cagy experience. Why can't we stop the pass over the middle. Do you think bush the answer. I do think devon bush and mark barron is the answer. Both of those guys are breath. Let it they know how to cover. They have mark barron has experience against the patriots. The last game that he played to eighteen was in the super bowl against the the patriots he similar. I think you see those guys playing a lot against <hes> the patriots in week one he asked will the steelers offense be modern day greatest show show on turf with the spread offense look in receiver death. You know there are times when i think that that is a possibility but then there's also times when i think this is a team that's still gonna wanna run the ball with power formations in get their offensive lineman all juiced up and go and forward instead of going backwards and pass pro and so. I think that it's going to be a mix of both. I hope it's a mix of both i say all the time. I want this offense to be balanced balance with ron balance with the past. Don't be able to one over the other be balanced. They can't always figure out what you're doing. It can't be an easy diagnosis as the the other teams tears across the line of scrimmage. I want them to be balanced whether it be versatile. That's my hope north. Todd asked you think josh gordon will make or break for the will be the make or break for the patriots next week. I think he's going to be a weapon. The steelers should know how to play against josh gordon. I mean he played for. He played for the the browns for years. Joe haden was a teammate of his went against him. In practice those played for the steelers he played for the patriots last season season. This should not be. I don't think it should be a huge deal from a preparation standpoint. The josh gordon's is in the lineup. It changes things because he's a dynamic anina player but i'm not going to be about you know. I'm not gonna say that they're going to all of a sudden. They're they're not. I guess the way i view josh gordon now compared compared to when he first came to the league is they're not having to prepare for that type of josh gordon yet he might get there. He might still be there but that jars gordon earliest crew was was ridiculous. I mean we're talking about. Just he made every play that you could receiver so i. I don't think that's going to be a huge importance. Gordon served me no. I don't think it's gonna be huge for the steelers in terms of preparation ron. I just kind of answered your question about josh gordon but i'll throw it out there. They will <hes> <hes>. Let's see here if guinea crosby. The comment is great. It's not just not putting enough on the screen. Let's see here <hes>. I some people are losing. I guess i can actually my at my connection seems fine so i apologize for that. Series darren asks suburban starting over bush. Do you agree with that decision. I don't early in the season. It might happen. I just don't think it's going to be a situation where it's i'm gonna be one or the other and it's just like when they ask the question of. Is it longcrete for washington at to me. It's going to be both and it's not going to be bearing her bush. It's not gonna be buscher sir william's it's not going to be bearing williams. I think it's going to be a kind of a mixed bag of goods here with everything you know everything that's going on and in the sub packages they run in what the down and distance is. It's going to be so unique. It's gonna be fun to watch and see how they deployed that early. In the season i think bush will play a lot but he'll be coming off the field at times by the end of the season. I don't think he comes off the field. That's just my own personal opinion a snowman as funny question. Do you think dave will bought his hamstring. During this friday i hope not. I hope not we'll see what are we more about that coming up this week. <hes> here we go. Thanks mijas ages as would you agree. Steeler for office should be commended for the long history of knowing when and who to sign and when it's time to part ways with players i do think so oh. I think they need to be commended. <hes> sometimes they might hang onto a player one year too long. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that this organization is perfect from a free agent standpoint clearly they are not because you can go back to the last few free agents say a a. J. morgan burnett. You know <hes> you think about the legare blunt situation you think about a ah a good one was like the angela williams other very good free designing but you've darius green as in other ones they've had as mike mitchell is kind of fifty fifty. He had some good he has a bad <hes>. They've had some flops in free agency said while you should be commended for certain things they should be reprimanded for others. Well william william s how will steelers plan to contain james white. I think he could be possible possibly an issue for us especially when they blitz james white is is gonna be a unique task if if the seizure blitzing in james white is in the shotgun formation then i like their chances of james right. It has to pick up the blitz. It's yet to pick up the blitz. You're sacrificing yourself. You're taking yourself out of the play to protect your quarterback. If you're protecting for quarterback you're not typically going to catch the the football or run the football when you have players like barron and bush you can also cover that player from the backfield. That's going to be a match up to wash baron and bush rush versus white. If they get james white on vince williams the steelers are in trouble going to say right now. Go back and watch the thursday. Then i came last year last year against the carolina panthers very first dry for carolina christian mccaffrey made him look foolish the entire time that will happen again if they catch vince williams on the field mark my words mark the tape the twenty five minute mark that will happen if they keep them on the field and you know that's what the patriots are going to do. They're gonna find that one matchup and exploit it until you can prove you can stop it and that's been the issue with the steelers against this team in the past that they can't stop it whether it's rob gronkowski county over the middle rob gronkowski down the seam rob gronkowski on the post. They can't stop it in a key dialing it up until they you can stop it so that's why i think vince williams as ron says very here keep vince williams off the field as much as possible bushing ocean baron on the field. I agree one hundred percent. Go with your big dime have sean davis play by the line of scrimmage. I'm fine with that fine with that there need the issues are gonna have to be smart. They're going to have to be smart. This game stab celebri- sparked okay here we go <hes>. I i agree with is a curious isn't a question but it's a statement he said just want to be able to say quote unquote alright third and longs to use these getting off the field instead of being on the edge of my couch. I agree one hundred percent there. There are times where you just wish it was obvious there was a time when it was obvious third nineteen you could go to the bathroom. You make yourself a sandwich. 'cause you knew what was going to happen next. The the punt team was coming on now. There are times where you're like. You said sitting on the edge of your seat. That's not a fun feeling all right. Darren ask more more passing touchdowns and rushing touchdowns on sunday. I'm assuming you're talking about the steelers in which case i will say they will have an even number uh of touchdowns. I think it's going to be passing into rushing. If you want my prediction you're going to have to check out later in the week. Come knocking to give that away right now. If you wanna see you should know who i think's going to win but my score prediction. You're gonna have to wait and this wednesday. We're going to have a patriot writer from espy. The nation's pats pulpit on with the standard is a standard in. Maybe even another former steelers special guests. You have to check that out a little tease there myself and lance. It's waves all right. He asks are we. The steelers better on paper than the browns after a solid preseason inadvertent seven approved defense. You don't need to tell me on paper. I think they're just better. I think the steelers lines with offense defense or better and their quarterbacks better. I think the coach is better. I think their general managers better so the seals. Your i think are just better there. You have it <hes> okay marseille. Should we be looking for help at the corner positions for once four once mark. I'm going to say no now you know. I just think that it's going to be one of those deals where not unless there's an injury. I think they're okay. You have hayden you have nelson you have already burns who had a better preseason waiting in the wings if needed not saying you want to see that he's there. You got cam sutton. You can be in the slide. You have mike helton who can be in the slot. I like the steelers secondary in their cornerbacks going into week. One said no. I don't think they need to be working unless there's an injury <hes> shift trustee poets do we know who will have the green dots on defense. My guess is vince williams and devin bush will have the green dots. They're typically the ones that are going to be bringing the plays. I know that they've been grooming bush to do <hes> but but still you know <hes> that's my guess. I don't know we'll find out for sure <hes>. Let's hear if the steelers win. The super bowl does big ben rothlisberger retire. That's a question from snowman. That's a good question. He always talks about where seven for john elway. He idolized john elway as a kid what john elway they do. He wrote off into the sunset. I don't know though i feel feeling. The augsburger would honor his contract at least for another year but then again if he if it's a seasoned it's filled with injury and you know maybe he's battling injuries. I'm not sure if that happened or not so we'll see when you start losing your hair. There's no magical cure but there is a way to stop hair loss from happening in the first place. It's called keeps and it's a treatment that's proven to ninety percent effective david reducing and stopping further hair loss. You don't have to go to the doctor's office or stand in line at the pharmacy for prescription. He'll visit a doctor online and they'll send the medication right to you in discreet discreet package and with keep starting just ten dollars a month. You don't have to go grow to avoid going bald. Two guys will experience some form of male pattern baldness by the time the thirty five so prevention is key. The sooner you start using keeps the more hair you'll save nearly one hundred thousand men trust keeps with their hair loss prevention medication the more five-star reviews than any of their competitors so take action now and visit keeps dot com slash sb nation their special offer. You'll receive your first month of treatment for free at keeps dot com slash sb nation. It's k. e. E. p. s. dot com slash sb nation. We will see <hes> jesse as i think cam kelly will push on his heels impressive wool one of the sean davis is injuries. He's going to be something really noteworthy early this week so tuesday. We won't know anything we as the fan base will know anything until mike tomlin addresses the media tuesday at noon but his ankle injury if he's not one hundred percent healthy then they have to give cam kelly legitimate thought of playing not because he's better but because he's healthy and i think terrell edmonds is dynamic. I think he's ready to make a really big jump from your one year two but cam kelly's going to see the field by the way when they go into their big nickel that i mentioned earlier what they do is they take sean davis in a moven down to the line of scrimmage or in the box and what they do they have camped kellyanne throw relevance than in the back end of the events. It gives them more size. It gives them more versatility by putting a safety instead of a cornerback <hes> at the same time they they have options there so i think cam kelly's gonna play for sure. I think he's gonna play. Let's year jayco sir. I just wanted to say thanks for answering the questions about why kickers on kickoff all right well okay so he's kicking. He wants to know why kickers kicked the ball. The stadium can barely leg to make it forty. Five zero field goal some kickers because you have a longer run up king kick the ball i further i can say if you have a if you're talking about the pre season <hes> for the most part the steelers in a lot of other teams kick short on kickoffs on purpose to see their coverage teams so if you're referring to that we'll see <hes> darren ass when ben decides to hang hang it up. Would you like to see him. Trained to quarterbacks coach for the steelers is i don't know i i don't know because number one i the overall the spurs any inclination to ever coach. That's first second not all coaches. Not all good players are good coaches. I you know what i mean. <hes> you can think of a ton of examples <hes> none more than to me wayne gretzky of the n._h._l. Who is killed the great one. He's considered the greatest hockey player to ever play. The game was a very mediocre coach because a lot of people said that everything same came so naturally to him that he expected his players to be able to do these things that he didn't even think about it when in reality it's it's not easy. You have to coach coach that so i'm not i'm not sure i. I'm not going to say yes or no because i have no. I d up so <hes> again. Crosby says as we need at least twenty five takeaways this season in twenty five a good number. I really don't care about total. I care about the ratio to me. The ratio is huge. Why because for me if you take the ball away more than you give it away. That's positive if you give your offense is extra possessions without giving those possessions to the other team. That's a positive i might be a little bit more obstinate optimistic than others others when it comes to the steelers offense this season but i do think that this steelers offense is going to need those extra possessions at times so takeaways always huge but also the ratio turnovers is even bigger in my opinion michael. Ask do you think we will win are opener against seattle with the museum as it's going to be difficult <hes> i haven't. I knew they got davey uncloudy. I'm not sure what other moves they made of just been focused on the steelers the last forty eight hours but the roster mr cuts in the practice squad. We'll look about that well. We'll check that out on week to. I'm not going to be an easy game. I'll tell you that right now. The steelers front into their schedule is tough but at the same time i like at home. I like the steelers in their home opener and i think that it's going to be i think it's going to be an interesting match of a lot of different levels because they have russell wilson. It's going to be interesting so <hes> brian. This is interesting interesting question who misses more games advance dollar joe haden. I think it's going to be a tie. They're both gonna play sixteen games ago. How 'bout that creases. Does our offensive line have enough depth. I and i understand why this question crees asking this question. He's asking this question because of the poor performance and week forums assuming of the preseason book those are third and fourth string guys. I i think the steelers offensive line depth. That's really good. If you look at tackle yet filer in obviously a filer villanueva backing up there you have szucs or he has act banner. <hes> fred johnson a guard b._j. Finney guard <hes> you have <hes> a clearly a really really good offense of line in general. I love the back that they have really good depth. I think this is an offensive line. That in my opinion is one of the best if not the best in the national football league and that includes their depth so there you go snowman asks a question. I don't have an answer to. I just don't it's which free agent tight ends. Will the steelers look at i. There's been a couple of names been thrown around that. I've seen in the live chats. I haven't heard anything or seen anything on twitter from beat writers about players in particular. I have no clue <hes>. I guess the last forty eight hours have been nothing but steelers for me. I haven't really kept an eye on certain positions. I've seen titans getting released but i don't know a ton about those players. I apologize <hes> yeah. I don't know what exactly is out there. Sorry shrift pool is how many sacks for bud this year follow up. How many times does we get the second and miss out. I think the budget free will have. I'm gonna say eight sacks this season that would be a career high hi for him and i think his high rate now six and a half correct me if i'm wrong but i think he gets eight. I think t._j. Watts going to do he's gonna have enough. One on one match ups that i think he wins a couple of those. I'm going to go eight. That's that's just what i think <hes> mark tobin. He hasn't been twelve. I i think that's very very optimistic if he has twelve sacks. I'm not gonna complain. I'll say that i was wrong. That's fine but but at the same time i don't see it happening. I've seen enough of bud depre- to think otherwise so <hes> see here and by the way in that something that's amy rates here buds going to have a good. He's going to have a good year. I think eight would be a great year for him. He would probably make a lot of money in free agency with eight. We'll see okay a couple more questions before we call it a show here ch- here we go. What do you think of the other division games. I'm assuming that you're talking about for the time at a multitude of things you can talk about <hes> the a._f._c. north games in which case. How do i think they'll do in the division division against the ravens. The browns the bengals in which case i would say that i think they're gonna go. I'm gonna go full five and one at hither gonna five and won a division other divisions like the a._f._c. and the n._f._c. west of the vision they're paired up with. I think that they'll go combined. That's eight games. They're thinking about home and away stuff. I haven't been prepared for this question. I think that they'll probably go six two in those games there. He had this bear do the best i could do at the top of my head. There okay see here all right very good here at last question last question. Can we agree that. We'll get our sex but our interceptions are still an issue. That's from dennis. I think the i think they're still gonna get their sacks of for me the watermarks at fifty if they can get fifty sacks again that'd be tremendous never happened in franchise history that they've had fifty the or more sacks in three straight seasons. I think though that this coverage in it's going to be good not that they can actually get their hands on the football so plain and so i think they're going to get their hands on if they can just come down with it for some fumbles w fine so you know it's it's it's a situation where uh the steelers defense is still talking point no matter what figuring flying here <hes> in there there is even though they had a good preseason. There's still an unknown aspect about this defense and a lot of different ways from keith butler down to devon bushes rookie and i think it's going to only come to fruition. It's only gonna come to light when the games actually start to count and that's going to be week one in foxborough against tom brady and the new england patriots with that said. I absolutely hope job that you are prepared for this because i know we are. I know we are so. I think that it's it's absolutely a situation where we got a couple of comments comments here. I want to mention before we call it a show <hes> days new us <hes> will you guys had the paramedics. They're for dave friday night. I'll have my own own a one nine. One one. I am as a coach and teacher a former coach. I am certified first aid and c._p._r. In case as syria. I hope it's not <hes> sammy amy asks. Where's my boy b._a._d. Bad he has the night off. You can catch them tomorrow night monday night with tony defeo for the steelers hangover right here on youtube <hes> rod ask. When are you getting a b- t._s._e. Tailgate party during a home game. That would be something that mr scofield with organizers. He has season tickets to the steelers. I unfortunately personally with my duties of the website at ten. You'll have to watch all the games from my house because i have to have a laptop. It would be much fun sitting in heinz field with the laptop typing ping not sure if the wi fi connection be there anyways and if i went who would do the post game show thing about that so <hes> ryan what time is dave missing the few goals i will announce that out on the steelers preview thursday night's check out <hes> where will the field goal be kicked location will be here <music> in maryland in b._t._c. headquarters where we're located and you know yeah. It's going to be does dave penalized for two okay so there's a lot of delay for instance. I'm looking at jack because ask the question. I'm glad he's here. He said thanks for the first time in life. Good time is act makes you come back but there's a lot of people might might not know what we're talking about with these. I don't know this kick in dave. Scofield city can make a fifty five yard kick. I challenged into that and then we agreed on three tries at a forty five yard or if he makes it. I have to watch a steelers game with he and brian davis together and you might say well. Why would you want to do that anyways. I like to watch the games on myself. Who am i kidding. I always like to watch the games by myself if he doesn't doesn't make it then. I guess it's just going to be a ridicule of having these kicks put on <hes> broadcast live on youtube because we're extremists mckee. They said he had okay enough talk about that. Let's give you the lay down of the land for his upcoming week. Because tomorrow starts the actual week of preparation leading up two week one tomorrow night the steelers hangover monday night. That's brian. That's tony will probably be earlier than afternoon sixty six thirty p._m. Eastern time. I'm check that out live on youtube tuesday dave scofield the stat geek. 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REShow: Joe Haden. Hour 2 (07-22-19)

The Rich Eisen Show

45:19 min | 2 years ago

REShow: Joe Haden. Hour 2 (07-22-19)

"Thank you for listening to this podcast. One sports net production available on apple podcasts and podcast wine. Everybody's got A to do list drop off the dry cleaning pick-up some milk. Here's an idea let's add save hundreds of dollars. It was on car insurance to that list and the good thing is you don't have to drop off or pick up anything. All you have to do is go to GEICO DOT COM and in fifteen minutes you could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance extra money in your pocket. Of course this may be the most rewarding warning to do you do today our number two of the rich Eisen show is on the air in our one. We had a great chat with a Great Human Greg Olsen good people right. He's got a wife kids. Get Ready to head on announced training camp in South Carolina <hes> for the panthers three weeks it'll be away from home and then football starts and it just changes the dynamic in a hassle whenever anybody <hes> whenever the mom or dad goes away for Work Gore they they work. A seasonal job just changes things in the in the household regardless of of the of the job same thing with the N._F._l.. And it's very nice of him to spend his time before <hes> before leaving on the phone I greatly appreciate shit well. I just had a nice chat are green room with another high quality human being there with his wife Sarah spending their last day. They have kids to spend our last day before he flies off to Western eastern P._A.. For Training Camp With steelers traversing the four oh five to come down here. I mean that's next level stuff joe education home. I'm really appreciate really really do and I'm sure manganiello appreciate it to Joe Manganelli Dr Steelers Fan. I don't know if he's aware of Joe's on the program but he didn't give them a heads up I did not I did not and I also didn't have time to instagram out before so you know Joe is very very active on instagram. I don't know if he knows he might know. He's he's an active viewer of this. Show is good reason to be active on instagram though he's he's got a good game man. This guy's <hes> bottom of the ninth is new movie is getting some very nice reviews and he'll be here to talk about that coming up in our number three as well as his steelers always good to have joe here on the program <hes> Oh yeah training camps are opening <hes> left right up and down Sean Payton. I believe is going to join our show on Wednesday nice yeah so we're getting as many people here <hes> up and running as we possibly can you can ask him about his shot from the boat at the moment absolutely. I don't believe a tournament official told him he could do that <hes> but I I'm just assuming I'm assuming I'm assuming <hes> Sean Payton. <hes> just decided to drop it from a boat himself ad and that he was not in contention. He's <hes> our poll question. <hes> let's get an update. That's brought to you by our friends. <hes> at capital one which is reimagining banking by offering savings and checking accounts with no fees or minimums in one of the nation's best savings rates approval required capitol N._A.. Member F._D._I._c. what's in your Wallet Christopher. What is going on sports sports talk radio right out of the gate here with training camps opening this week which quarterbacks championship window closing the fastest gives us choices and I'm going to predict where things are okay? Here's choice number. One alphabetical drew brees Philip Rivers Aaron Rodgers Ben Ratliff. I am going to predict how it stands right. Okay Aaron Rodgers is is in last place Aaron. Rodgers is in last place sixteen percent. I'm going to say Philip. Rivers is in third place untrue. Drew brees is in third place breeze twenty percent. Okay then I'm saying Philip rivers is in second place now the rivers thirty percents. Everybody is going to be voting at Ben Rothlisberger Window for opportunity opportunity is closing because as I predicted the steelers this year will go into the season with the mantra that they never ever have that. Nobody believes in US thirty three percent ben route fee B._A.. 'cause Antonio Brown is in Oakland because Lebanon Bell. Isn't there anymore and it's that simple it. Is that simple that people do not believe it. Even though Oh ben is a first ballot hall of Famer his own right even though Juju Smith Schuster has shown the ability to be a number one receiver even though James Connor had a terrific season in the backfield himself people just don't believe that Smith Schuster is going to be as good because Brown's not there to take away much of the defensive awareness in the same thing when connor the defense had problems but as you know they drafted a kid to put right there in Middle Endeavour Bush who is tremendous can't wait to ask Joe Haden about all this but that's what's going. That's coming down right now is the steelers are overlooked. Nobody believes in the steelers and if you don't think Tomlin's GonNa play that up at locker room I'd be surprised I don't know if he's doing it outwardly but in other thing also asked Joe Haden Joe has been working out in U._C._l._a. and was there and when Odell Beckham through the length of the practice field which is not one hundred yards. Apparently it's like eighty still uncertain still but <hes> let's talk about Joe Haden when he comes out eight four four zero four rich is the number to dial ready for my four downs. I haven't done it for in a while. Is All about training camp. Got It there. You're the four downs about what I'm looking for in training camp coming into the back to work week here in the national football with rich here we go all right. I down of my training camp. Edition of four downs is what are the rookie quarterback is. GonNa look like how's it doesn't that Carla Marie starting Yep and and it's going to be Dwayne Haskins world in Washington D._C.. What do they look like? I I WANNA I wanna you know it's all gonna come out peaches and cream that these guys look great but what will they look like when preseason action hits. That's what I want to know and the also how does drew lock look look in training camp and how does Daniel is yes Daniel Jones. How does he look in training? Camp is well the Brady blood so story if two thousand and one that played out that we all saw was born in training camp that yes brady when he trotted onto the field. Nobody believed that he could take the Patriots where he took them and certainly nobody saw the dynasty coming but the Patriots saw and training camp that Brady was playing the position better than the veteran that they have signed to a monster contract the he was playing better than that guy. So how do these kids look in training camp definitely plays into the fact if flacco get TSAT or yes if it's time for Eli Manning to give way to Daniel Jones which would send the first time caller longtime listener ship in New York and New Jersey through the roof and onto the figurative. The George Washington Bridge Ledge if something like that happens or if it doesn't happen fast enough so just keep an eye on all this but I totally it would shock me if Haskins isn't the starter and we already heard from the general manager Steve the Monday after the draft that we didn't draft Carla Murray to have him sit and then trae Josh Rosen away but seeing how they look to me is going to be an interesting part of training camp. That's I down hit second second down here. My training camp edition of four downs on the rich Eisen show. How will the contract situation for the Dallas Cowboys loon over Oxnard California and the fact that I use the word loom gives you an indication of how I'm seeing this all play out Zeke Elliott Holdout report later on this week? Does he hold out. Does he not hold out if he doesn't hold out. How does that all work? What if that gets the contract? I I all expect that to happen and if he walks into training camp without one that's going to be part of the conversation and then Amari Cooper is looking to get his and I think they need to handle their business before they walk in the door. The Jones family might wait till August because that's apparently what they usually do. Ian Rappaport on tomorrow's show to lay all this stuff out for us and then there's the issue of Jason Garrett not having a contract passed after this year as well. Is it possible at all at all that the players who want the new contracts can look at the coach without a contract and say we're all in the same boat together and pull together or like. Why do I need to listen to this guy if he might not be around next year? How does this all play out and why do the Joneses invite this drama or seem to thrive in the gotTa pay back its hat needs to happen? Just do it and swallow hard and say it starts with a three and there's seven zeroes after that's what the market bears it's time and then go to battle and try to super bowl in the next three to four years with that young defense. That's buzzing around. I don't understand it. The JONESES have a plan. There's I think and I believe and we'll see how it all plays out but that's why I chose the word loom not only to say but radio audience we put it in a topic bar in the bottom three and what he's on a topic bar at the bottom of the screen. You know it means business. It's real third down down. Yes running backs. Running backs certainly not just for fantasy but how is it all going to play out. I wrote some down here in this Handy Dandy Book right here in front of me some running back some looking forward to see Chicago David Montgomery. They drafted him in the third round. I understand that you know you got Tariq Cohen. We had the other day but he's not your every down run downhill when it's twenty degrees out side side back. Mike Davis who they got from Seattle. Is that guy but keep an eye on this third round draft choice out of Oklahoma state who had a thousand yards rushing in back to back seasons in its final two years at Oklahoma state and that also included double digit d'you touchdowns in back to back years. Keep an eye on him another third rounder. I'd keep an eye on is right here. In Los Angeles Daryll Henderson who was chosen three picks before Montgomery in the third round by the rams he had back to back thousand yard seasons since his junior year twenty five touchdowns how Sean mcvay GonNa employ him in the offense. If girly has who the hell knows with girlies knee that is without question the biggest who the hell knows <hes> question question going into the season that won't be answered in the preseason no exactly so we won't know but just keep an eye on this guy keep an eye on him and they got Malcolm Brown in between the two on the on the on the depth chart but keep an eye hi on him another running back situation to keep an eye on Oakland's running back situation. That'll be interesting to see play out in hard knocks. You tell me what the Hell Gruden's GonNa do here. Doug Martin Jalen Rashard their first round on picked up Josh Jacobs now talk out of Alabama who wasn't even the number one guy if you will there but was terrific and then De'andre Washington I know you're pegging joss Jacobs Blam. I I don't with Gruden. You can't predict there's four of them there and then in Washington Darius Geis's coming back from his wall from his knee injury. How will he look in training camp but this I know there's Adrian Peterson there? I I understand that but if this kid has as dynamic as he was supposed to be coming out L._S._U.. Last year Seattle I wouldn't I know that but keep an eye on him in training camp and keep an eye on Jordan Howard in Philadelphia. I kinda liked that move. Who've allot that nobody's talking about? That's my running backs that I'm keeping on. I'm leaving out a ton but that's just my thoughts going into training camp right there. That's third down here. COMES fourth-down plank situation will be in a second. It will be in a second but I want set it up before. Joe Hayden comes live from New York. It's Levian Bell. We are already. He's GonNa find out he's GonNa find out and this is a concern for me for Lebanon Bell what you do and how you do it in western Pennsylvania in Pittsburgh P._A.. It is a whole different ball of wax in New York City and I although Beckham everything you told esquire and all that it will be discussed on shows like this and logic you pardon me at all it will be discussed and shows like this one and and all the you know Stephen as I take and all that M._l._b. won't have the same intensity in Cleveland as it would have in New York City will be talked about. Maybe more in New York City than in Cleveland Right. It's you know I mean what he had to say about his departure for the giants when he shows up for training camp this week in Cleveland how you know what that's almond new my new spot both you've got that New York City you say something in n._y._C.. It's a different story in Lebanon. Bell is going to have to watch that and we'll see how it all plays out. The latest thing is him on his instagram feed Mike. You have to turn this down a little bit so everyone can hear hear what he this is in an airport. I guess yeah walk through an airport where I guess he must have seen something on his social and he's and he's done very well to to not take any bait on twitter for anything about about him not focusing on football. He's been out a year and he did a lot of his. You know he loves being a musician right and we saw him partying sometimes in south Florida I in basketball I mean he's going to hear from people that he's not any didn't didn't show up for the non mandatory stuff in New York so now here he has this saying this is what he had to say on his instagram feed that everybody's talking about certainly in New York City today tired is robots are not focused on you. Only WanNa make you play basketball. He do everything aside football awesome. Everybody's hoping your favorite Persian. The athlete you think on waking up all he had Taco Tuesdays days. I'll be swooping them singing all day. She would act to do nothing kids billy. She's weight of singer. So the thing is legitimate for me. I will be here for on escalator. One working out okay asinine. It's already started. He sounds and looks incentive so Johann Glasgow he's laughing. We'll talk about what you it looks and sounds insane and it's going to marinate and he's showing up for training camp Saturday and it'll be asked about it and we'll see how it all plays out but the one way to not be a problem is for him to ball ball out and that's how I'm about to grab the hot take plank. You'RE GONNA hot. Take plank. Let the bells upcoming season. You're really GONNA do this. Have the hot take plank in my hands which for those who may not know fourth down. It's too hot. Take to sizzle gotTA. Write this bell in two thousand and nine thousand nine hundred okay. We'll have career bests in rushing yards total touchdowns for the New York jets all the chips the center of the table. He's putting the chip on his shoulder and Lebanon Bells career-best was year two and rush yards thirteen hundred sixty one and his best total touchdowns was the last year he played and also in that year together eleven he will we'll have better than eleven total touchdowns and more than thirteen hundred sixty one rush yards for the jets who are going to try and run him into the ground and Levy on bell. That's my hot. Take goodness finish up my four downs for training camp. You're taking the under on both I am taking the under on all of it sounds good. Hello Joe Haden. How are you good to see you? That's Joe Haden right there on the rich Eisen show Green Room Couch Joe Hayden is next here on our show will we'll take in all of what we just did and see what Joe thinks before we have another Joe who loves the steelers Joe Manganiello in our three. That's next right here on the rich Eisen show with Joe Haden every car comes with its share of stories the Ding in your bumper when you nervously picked up your first date the luxury package you got after a big promotion or the mileage you saved by riding your bike all summer while you can't put a price tag on your stories now with truecar you can at least find out what your car's worth when it's time to sell or trade aided in just go to truecar simply enter your license plate number and watch how your car's details pop up then answer a few questions navigation and moon roof watches they bump up your value high mileage. You already knew it was gonna cost you but now you know how much danger wallets so you can plan ahead. Once you finish you get a true cash offer sent in minutes which you can take to a local certified dealer to cash out or trade in so when you're ready to experience a better way to sell or trade in your car check out truecar today true cash offer not available in all states drafted nine years ago seventh overall by the Cleveland Browns and now he's getting set for his tenth season in the National Football League third with the Pittsburgh steelers I turn to my right and he knows what time it is and I see <hes> it's half half past. Go ahead and get to see you sir good to see you tonight as a Helena Watch you how thanking their banking Nice little timepiece so you definitely know what time it's no question about that time to go back to work ten years man tent yes. I'll I'll I'll start with you the same question I asked Greg Olsen. How are you feeling? I'm feeling good. You know this is the healthiest I've been in a while. <HES> KINDA ended in Cleveland just with me being little injury prone ahead sports hernia surgery last three seasons. I've been super throughout the <hes>. I'm really excited about this year. Okay and you know <hes> we were talking about it. <hes> back in the Green Room with your wife Sarah Our poll question is which quarterback who's aging <hes> and for some reason included Aaron Rodgers in that group because <unk> Brockman Day one include. Tom Brady didn't aging okay which can't be Jeddah window. Closing the fast Aaron Rodgers drew brees Philip rivers and it was Ben Rothlisberger. WHO's winning the poll right now? <hes> do you believe nobody believes in the Pittsburgh steelers right now Joe Haden <hes>. I think that we're not at an all time high. There's not a lot of people that do not too many people that do believe in this but are we still I mean I love Ben. We got him. He's a great quarterback still <hes> distant me going from Cleveland having so many different quarterbacks him in coach Tomlin word two of the main reasons why I came to Pittsburgh I just disability <hes> knowing how good of a coach he is and then knowing how good quarterback minutes so <hes> the idea that there's no Antonio no eleven belen no chance you say what I say that's crazy. You can't say those dudes are amazing. You know bladon definitely. He's my favorite on the back in the league in a Antonio going against them my whole career twice a year every year. Oh was just amazing and being able to practice against handsome losing them is going to be a part. We're going to have to people got to step up Juju. GotTa step up a connor. He's amazing running back to so people just got to step up and we still got been. We still coach T.. I think that <hes> we still got a chance. We're still distillers house. Mike Tomlin used this <hes> would say headline to the advantage of getting you guys fired up that nobody believes in you has used this point of Reference Nah he hasn't he hasn't really used the <hes> you know he's he's he just he believes in this guy's. He thinks that <hes> everything that we got there. We still have all the pieces <hes> Costa. He's just he's a great coach. He's a great motivator now. I don't think that he needs either have to using your stuff with outside. Everybody else is doing the form right so or is it something that guys are talking about. <hes> definitely definitely <hes> people are always we were. We're just excited to prove people wrong. <hes> you know I said we were underdogs but I think ben definitely doesn't feel that way. <hes> he's still feels like we're we still got everybody that we need. <hes> the defense capable. We're going to step up and make it happen. Joe Haden here on the rich Eisen show. How Weird is it for you that many people think the browns have a better chance man? I'm it is it is it is kind of weird <hes>. I think that they're moving in the right direction. They got so much talent now <hes> they got the new G._M.. <hes> he's brought great players. Do you know Landry. <hes> gray draft picks miles is amazing. Baker did a did a great job his rookie year <hes>. They just got all see how jobs together you know on paper it looks amazing you know but they gotta put it on the field. They got to produce but <hes> <hes> the definitely moving in the right direction so <hes> and you've been here working out at U._C._l._A.. Guess Okay and Odell has been there as well <hes> good friend. I was with him yes last night. You were just with him last. was you where the the <hes> Juku piece was coming out today. <hes> we didn't even okay because you know there's a lot of conversation about Odell today because he has commented even more about the way that he and the giants split ways <hes> what is what does he like. What is it for a lot of folks see the Odell on the on the sideline screaming and yelling proposing to kick in Nazis like that? What is it is it? He's he's a good man. He's. He's really really fun. Guy Is just he's in the spotlight big time you know he's very he's very passionate. He loves the game he wants to be the best on many at the end of the day he works so hard he definitely puts the work in and he produces so I will always see when he always that's all that other stuff man he scoring touchdowns. He's getting yards. He's doing this thing but he's very very passionate. <hes> and sometimes you could take that the wrong way but I felt like he loves the game. He just wants to be the best. What about going against him on the did you line up against him on the practice field? Is that type of practices you were doing on. No no no. We're kind of. I think those funding on we were supposed to be doing some one on ones and stuff but <hes> you know we played each other twice a year so he kind of does want to give away his stuff and I don't. I WanNa Kinda so you know is that the way it works it is it is so your fun hanging out funding it out but <hes> we're really really competitive he wants to he wants to get the best of me. Obviously and I want to do the same but it's it's friendly competition but he's definitely gave away that. There has to be so although we did see it a little bit on film and he he had saquon throw last year for the giants yeah he did show you that he can. He can connect that field. That feel was eighty yards this the break everything clear wasn't sixty seventy. It wasn't a hundred but he threw the ball eighty yards in the air it was that was a very impressive that you know he had this arm in him. <hes> I've seen him. Though we've thrown the ball a couple of times you know I play quarterback back in my day you Friday high school seven thousand yards eight touchdowns. No you know but I thought I could probably thought a while ago seventy three seventy five at the farthest that eighty was crazy so I just love the fact that your friends and and this is not like a surprising thing the a lot of players are friendly with each other but when it comes to being on the practice field there was no chance that you guys will be lining up against each other. Even though obviously you could make each other better uh-huh because there could be a tell there could be something gets picked up some time during this fall at needs to be picked up in real time when the chips are down between the browns the steelers I love that. Did you have any is it the way it is for all receivers with now but just I think they'll this year is just I'm playing. I'm and I feel like <hes> during the year. I'm going to be following around. I think when we play against travelling I'm betraying number thirteen traveling with thirteen so it's definitely another even. Is that how you informed him of that. Regis knows he knows he knows okay. Thirteen will be shattered by Joe Haden. I'm excited for the I mean I can't. I can't wait for this to happen. How do you think <hes> pass interference? Being reviewable. Bowl is gonNA affect your life this fall Joe I mean the game has changed so much for my rookie year. When we could put hands on people you could low tug <hes> now you just have to really legitimately Maram <hes> it's offense league so I love coach Tomlin because he understands that where at the disadvantage you know? We really just have to really work feet really just try to <hes> merit a receiver so you know it's been switching for the last three years so I think this is. I think it might help us out a little bit. They may be giving us a little bit more opie. I because offense they do get they do get away with a lot more than we do so I think I think honestly help us out a little boy. I've got the head of N._F._l.. Rough Sal River oncoming and show on sitting in that very seat on Friday and it does appear that when because just like anything in review in replay when you open something open up for replay anything that is review -able can be reviewed when you open it up so opie I is reviewable now so if you open it up for defensive pass interference. They're going to be looking at both players looking. Let's see the push off and all of that stuff because you know I mean we we understand. We've been switching it up now for the last four or five years where you really just can't touch those dues so if they're looking at it and seeing that man actually receiver was pushing off on him so maybe we might be able to get get a little. Maybe get a couple of calls I it it would be surprising if you don't who is the toughest guy to garden league. Joe Is three for me. It was Antonio Odell and Julio those what makes Julio Leo so difficult he he's he can do everything he's big. Strong fast route running <hes> a little bit just it just him you know he's six four two hundred twenty pounds. I'm running four three in they don't make them like that right and the difficulty of Antonio Brown is what he's so quick on his releases <hes> his route running <hes> his ability to adjust to the ball in the air and then if you haven't covered for the first route his <music> scramble drew he's able to just run another out and I think with him in Ben Their connection with then being able to just create more time I am A._B.. Could just get open at all times. Joe Haden here on the rich Eisen show. I'm GONNA give you a statement that <hes> everybody's making in my industry that <hes> <hes> that despite their ability to put up numbers and it's borne out again in the poll question that we're asking today Joe Hey Antonio Brown a lot of people Antonio the browns not there and Levy on Bell's not there it is a big problem for production that said that them not being there removing the drama that they brought is going to be helpful for the steelers. What would you say to that losing to dues like that? That are that great of players <hes> I don't. I don't see how you could say. You got that much. Better you know but I think that guy's gotta step up. It's always next man up. <hes> I think Ben is definitely really motivated to come out here when people talking about how he's his windows closing and all that he's a great quarterback hall of fame quarterback Super Bowl champ and I think he's GonNa just be super motivated to to get the job done on offense and line is amazing. <hes> we got James. That's coming into his own own juju coming into his own James Washington. Now we got this young receivers are going to be able to come step up and I think you're going to be the ball just spread it around to a lot of guys they'd levy on hold out affect the locker room defect the the wins losses last year. Maybe maybe maybe you know I would. We would love to have you on the one thousand percent the fact that he wasn't there one point did the you know the Lineman were were saying he needs to be here. Whatever never I mean I mean you've been around this league long and it's it's a business is tricky business and I I think with lady on lady on situation was completely different because just the way the steelers due their contracts? <hes> I think Todd Gurley signed for that forty five million guaranteed lady on bells like I need forty five to fifty million guaranteed. I mean it. Just it just kind of makes sense but I that's just something that I think Kevin the guys just weren't willing to do and <hes> he stuck to his guns and just didn't come and play play <hes> so that was businesses business so that part was it was tough because we wanted him obviously but just it just didn't work out just to just circle back again. Put a button on it. The fact that you don't have have to answer those questions this fall we just asked it and you're GonNa you might get it at the beginning of training camp when you start this week but then that that's Tibet and the same thing with Antonio Brown that he's dynamic but whatever might happen off the field. That's on hard knocks. It's not in your locker room and that's going to be helpful. Do you think that that is a fair assessment. Yeah Yeah I think it is. I think we're going to be able to just literally focus on WHO's on the locker room. WHO's on in there right <hes> because now my boy I love A.? He's with the raiders. I Love Lady On. He's with the jets. You know what I'm saying so now we can just really figure out what we got going on. James beat the best version himself. Judy will be the best version of yourself <hes> in defense step up and Ben you know come out and ball so <hes> when you mentioned loving and you're talking about the beyond say running backs right right. Oh how about that instagram. What'd you think of that show I I was? I was allows laughing so hard I was. I was cracking cracking up because lady on my you know he puts at the same time I can. I wouldn't have said it but I you know what he's talking about. You know you kind of get like at the end of the day. He works his tail off. He's on in Florida training and he's he loves the game. Obviously you know he he puts in the work but <hes> you know people. You got other things that you like to do. You know what I'm saying so I think he kind of I get it but I wouldn't have said it well. It could be on say doesn't sing twenty twenty four seven right. That's what brought us the target guys the target guy he's not thinking about target guys not Iraq and shows Bronze Not Playing Basketball Kabbalah twenty Tuesday. Is that it late on Tuesdays. He's in the studio fitness crossing up getting a he's good he's. He's I think he's GonNa get yard secured but I had to stay out here. I mean I think you know at the end of the day I think he's all of this stuff where people talking to me at the end of their like you said you gotta go out there and perform as long as you perform nothing to say nothing to be said and I think he's he's he's one of these my in my favorite back him and Saquon but he's GonNa go out there and I think he got to get the job on New York is going to give him the opportunity and I think again he's going to see when it gets to New York. The jets are not on the same level of love intensity as the giants did just aren't and Saquon is going to be drafted. I and all these leagues negative talk about Saquon the Saquon that they play in the same building his chip on his shoulder Lebanon's chip on his shoulder is going to be massive and they have no choice but to give him the rock ninety million times he's going to. He's going to have outs. That's for sure I think he is for sure <hes> before we let you go. I mean I know my Alma Mater Lost Yours in the bowl game so I I totally <hes> <hes> I guess put my shield up in that regard that said the kid that you drafted in to put right in the middle of the events Bush from Michigan. He is special. Can you tell me what you've seen. OUTTA hand already Joe. I say he's he's he's smart. You know he's in their column plays making checks. <hes> just really excited from the C. C._M._e.. Camp you know plan with shorts on it is one thing but when you get those pads on for training camp this is going to be something special in his fast can wait to see him the coverage <hes> so I'm just excitable and what's the goal for you this year. Joel let me go give me good Gulf real my goal. Do you write these things down or no. Do I just just try to go. Be The best just go through the season healthy. He make make it through the season healthy. <hes> help the team win and I'm just excited. This is my tenth year. I was always thinking like when I get the ten how I'm GonNa feel. I WanNa do what you think when you were drafted about your ten that that you that you've discovered. What do you think <hes> just making sure? I could stay healthy. Mega sure I could still run. You know when you get thirty dollars crazy thinking I'm like es extinct on cornerback but I still feel like I got got. Goodfeet got good helps <hes> block them healthy six-year chip married. My wife here to kid's life is life is good. How old are your kids? I got a two year two years nine months and a six month old. Okay Joey and jet. Did you tell me I thought you said you son Sh- told you about the Levy I'll be on instagram beyond my friends. I said my son's no. He's not not yet okay and then tell me about your your charity. What are you? What are you doing with your charity work? <hes> one strong all great. You know I'm I'm a global ambassador Special Olympics my little brothers Special Olympic athlete so we're just trying to raise awareness with that in getting all these kids a special Olympics to be unified. Try to unify all the sports and making sure they can play football basketball and <hes> just raising awareness terrific Joe Hayden at Joe Haden Twenty three on both twitter and instagram. I really appreciate you coming down and spending your final last day of of doing whatever you WanNa do with me. No doubt I'd come in here for sure one of my favorites. I've gotten a chance chance to meet over the ten years that you've been in the pros coming out of Florida Joe so congrats on making it to your ten thanking. Go tear it up. Rip It up appreciate you got it. That's Joe Haden right here for the Pittsburgh steelers. Joe Manganiello is in the Green Room. 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How about that Tampa Bay still a game behind? <hes> Cleveland and Oakland Gabon Combined Oakland in the wild card race right now so it's tight red sox still right there three out there they it's not too late now. You're you're treading water though they're taking on some water treading water. It's not pretty but the Tampa Bay rays are <hes> <hes> and the raise any Yankees and the red sox <hes> all play each other over the next two weeks so it's common big month yeah. It's a Tampa Bay and Boston tonight so there you have it right there. <hes> summer's here and do what I do which is connect your Honda to eighteen thousand Wifi. Did that this week now this very weekend just hit the button the Wi fi hotspot in your Honda and up pops a code and you put that Code Code into your device and then you just connect that Internet to A._T.. And T. 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Oh Baby I mean he is just coming to New York City and everything that was behind the scenes in a way in Pittsburgh Berg or only talked about Pittsburgh and I I know some steelers fans who got a little sick and tired of it. I dare say there might be one in our green room right now but he's coming common in New York and it is all Jim Fossil like push to the center of the table and if he does not perform well if the usual trap door for the New York jets opens up and the most talented counted running back they've had since Curtis Martin and you can make an arguable case over these last five first professional seasons that he is poised to if he duplicates that have have a similar spot in similar room in Ohio that Curtis Martin's in right now. If that guy does not perform it is going to be ugly with a capital you and you could put the F. in front of that. That's the word it would be certainly if darnold Z- <hes> progression is stunted but you've got a kid who who in the quarterback position who performed well towards the end of the season coming back from an ankle injury of his own that everyone is so high and the quarterback whisperer from Peyton manning all the way to Jay Cutler is their quarterbacks is there is there head coach now and we saw what Kenyan drake looked like in his system right Chris we did so a lot of Kenyan drake in that system against your team couldn't stop them twice in Miami the two times I saw him right certain Monday night or Jay Cutler's carbon them up okay so love bell comes your way with Darnold make the case. It's a little bit more talented than say Cutler Cutler Drake and Tanna Hilda Drake could say that they don't tell you what why the Bell Bay let me unveil has preseason hamstring injury written all boy soft tissue soft tissue moment hasn't played in a year Chris Brockman. He's off to a middle linebacker. He's going to get hurt. You are so ready to just be the total Patriot Frown Down Debbie be Downer you ready for back to work week Oh man and he's on instagram and he's tweeting videos and it's just all in the middle of the table and it setup for monumental disaster or is asking for the haters a am I am selling it and he's GonNa Learn to that when the how about this. I'll make this prediction we were in our week three week four. He's going to start to realize why people in the talking about the jetsons town winery focused on the giants win or lose the giants are going to be the story. It's going to happen and he's going to be and he's going to be. He's going to walk around but what what the hell's that because he's used to a spot where when or lose everybody's waving the terrible towel talking about his team he could have two hundred yards yards week. One and three touchdowns manning has three picks. Eli is going to be on the back page. 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The Scho Bro Show, Part 2: Keeping the Steelers defense elite in 2021

Behind the Steel Curtain

35:42 min | 3 months ago

The Scho Bro Show, Part 2: Keeping the Steelers defense elite in 2021

"And we're back. Pittsburgh steeler fan with part two of the scarborough show. I have school field co co-editor behind the steel curtain dot com with me. Still big brother rich. How you doing bro. Actually with you. medical issues are now solved. Tile here pal screwed up. He already deleted your email already delete email. That's right so don't pay kyle. So we're going to start off this app before we get back into this. Try steelers trying to keep their defense at the elite level. You do that a lot by trying to keep it intact or by having good options at different places. Let's go jump into the superjet. Superjet which i did not look over before i brought it up a four hundred nine from a from a guinea crosby. Which the pens were victorious tonight for two against the rangers. That was nice for ninety nine of dipped jar. He says he says. Find the money for your pre. If you don't bring back the the best t there was no point in having been back at all but you can't bring back every let's go. It goes back all everything we did door as this pandemic started last year. And everybody talk stuff. Our favorite phrase was with what money with what money we don't have the money to sign do pre to a great big contract with the cap hit of probably twelve plus billion this year and be able to do anything else with the rest of the team. I think you hit the nail on the head day with the cost above replacement. Yes that's what i think. Is that if you have a decent replacement on a bargain salary. Why spend all. I'm not gonna. i'm not going to bring the whole coming up because it was kind of long but over. Facebook chris. Goodwin was talking Similar deal about lose. Do pre and at tj would drop off. I figured it was. Was it jeffrey. The head to article showing how was actually to it and tj. That actually could really worked well together and a lot. A lot of tj's success could be Actually given to steph onto it. Not vice versa wrecked not necessarily all you know. It wasn't just tj watt and bud. Dupree your. there's other guys on the inside. Have an impact on all of that. So do i do. I wish that we should keep bud dupree. Of course yeah. I just don't see financially how they would ever be able to pull it off. Yeah exactly and see. That's what happens and that was going to come around eventually when everyone talks about all the steelers and all these number one picks on defense not all of which were made by the steelers. But you look at. You've got fitzpatrick. Edmons hayden bush watt last year. Do pre hayward alal- all these guys were first round picks. Then you've got to. It was a second. Then you've got nelson was third. I'm pretty sure you know that's when you have guys that are playing. You know that are that pedigree. They're all gonna need their money. Whatever it all comes around. And it's you're going to have to make tough decisions. But the and that. And honestly i said at the time. That's why the drafting alex highsmith in the third round last year was a great call because you had a year with a pre with highsmith to have an idea to see what you had with him to see if they needed to overpay for depre- or if they did it have to if they still couldn't keep your pre then how high they would have to endure would have to address outside linebacker this year. What hi smith is done as a third round pick last year even if the bud dupree is gone in free agency by this time next week. The steelers half the draft outside linebacker. I really what they're looking for is is depth. You know it's not like oh my goodness what. What are they going to do now. I'm not putting it past that. They wouldn't do it now. put it past. They wouldn't do it again in the first round if somebody falls and you're just like oh my house is still there you take and you figure it out but you know you don't have you don't have to reach you know the steelers. Yeah don't have to feel the pressure that they would have to reach for an edge rusher in the first round. Yep exactly and and when you mentioned the with what money and what that really comes back to is. It's not the steelers. Can't you know you can't be a steelers fan and complain about the steelers kicking the can down the road by pushing off in the future years and then and at the same breath say well they always find a way to find a way to find the money. You can't complain about them finding a way to find the money and then expect them to find a way to find the money. You know what i'm saying. Yeah so and i. I understand kicking the can down the road you know with the whole ben rothlisberger thing my goodness. They cut how much they were they were. They were kicking down the road in less than half which is fantastic. So ultimately you've got to get to a point where you could you could make it work but is it really really worth it because you're going to be that strap and the steelers are going to have to t. J. watt and it was someone lasting super chat chat in the live chat. Long ago. i couldn't stay with it because it was lost. But could the steelers do the extent. Cgy this offseason absolutely have to. They know if they do. Are you hoping that it would lower his ten million dollars cap hit that. He's having this year on his fifth year option. That would be the reason for doing it now. A some people would say well the other reason to do it now is you. Don't lose him. You know what they're not was. Dj what because tj. What he's worth the franchise tag one year an two years. You know what i'm saying. He's worth that so if if he doesn't get the extension this year the deal. Then you're probably looking at a franchise tag and trying to do the extension next year either one works. I'm okay however the steelers decide is the best way for them to do it. I kind of trust them there but they have both options in my opinion so there we go The other options we needed to get to with his defense was. Do you think you're going to see any outside free agent for from the steelers on the defensive side of the ball. Last year the steelers signed three players three significant players. Only two of them. They signed enough. That even counted towards the compensatory formula. The one that didn't count with steph was new ski who didn't stick the whole season. The other two were both on offense. Because it was eric he brought and derek so they did not go free agency on defense last year unless you say technically. They traded for chris warmly. That was the biggest thing that they did. See the steelers going free agency outside of their own guys this year. If they it won't be big it will be big because they don't need big. Yeah we need yeah what. They're looking for a depth pieces you know they're not looking. They're not looking for somebody. I'll just pick it was democracy desmond. Trufant was cut earlier. This week is a kept gambling like someone like that. That name does sound familiar. So there's so many names awesome. I can't remember. But i'm pretty sure it was true. Thought okay you know as a corner okay. Well you know. He's probably starting corner. And we're gonna we're gonna pay a freeze and starting corner money when we basically already have our to starting corners. Yeah the only thing that i do then is if you needed slot corner and and the thing is who might be your least expensive option out there that you feel could could do the job at slot corner games on so That's just that. I mean that's just kind of what is going to be going down if they to me once again at the steelers makes a assigning or two from outside as a free agent. My money's being the office of side of the ball. I would see it. I could see them signing an outside offense lineman. I can see the possibility of them signing an outside running back if they're not going to it the draft they're going to do at one or two ways most likely and then the other ones the possibly of tight end dependent on. What's out there. I know a lot of people are still waiting to see if the outlaw gets released from detroit since he caught that ball. Yes he did yes he did so here we are. We got another super chat. Five dollars ups. John knox tip. Jar thank you. John says we can't keep bud. Orgy jew nor shibli highsmith smith will be amazing and washington or mid. Rounder can replace juju first round santer second round running back. I don't know about the first round center. Because i don't know that any center is really worthy of a first round. Pick if the steelers go with a center with their first pick. I would rather than trade back because unless a lot of things could change to you now. The draft where. I have them graded right now. I would would be a reach if they're taking a senator in the first round I wouldn't be more likely to get out of north western kid play center. Who is really a tackle. But i don. I don't even know if he's going to be there with the steelers pick. So i would be more likely with the two things. We had up there to see this flip flop be more likely running back in the first of the center. Maybe in the second. I'm also. I'm also the kind of guy that doesn't think that they need to go running back in the first unless they don't here's the thing you can't go running back and center in the second. You can't do it. You only have one say round. Pick off musher trading back. So that's just one of those things. But yeah i'm i've i've been a of the see me wearing the hat. Why wearing juju hat a week from now. It might not be good anymore. That's right i gotta wear. Why can't gotta get my money's worth out of it. It's one of my head is is just so i've had this for a while so it's always wear the penalty jersey because he played for and retire to steal exactly exactly so no case. You are wondering yes. We're yes. we understand what the steelers need and all this stuff. They have on offense. We're sticking with defense tonight. Offense has been the discussion a lot and with everything with bud. Dupree this why we why we say that last part of thing we talked about who they have who they could keep their team better free agents. Would they look outside for an outside free agent. You know like. I said the way i see that as maybe corner if they make some if they don't sign either of the two guys or if they did make the make a salary cap casually but i'm still don't i don't believe they'll do that but it doesn't mean that they can't draft. What defensively do you see. The steelers possibly addressing in the draft. And at what point of drafts you to ask you these questions and for these i can go off with all kinds of fun and wild. Yes okay Just throw longest. Brian david stott. I'm just put a thrust off to a wall and see what sticks and so could could. The steelers suddenly be shocked by a corner who is sitting out there at late in the first round and take a corner absolutely. There's some better able especially if they see horn. Ya sir tan. These are probably guys that aren't going to be there. But if they are you gotta think about it. Correct problem with the steelers drafting first round corners. The jeffrey benedict. I think it's jeffrey. No no jeff meant that the brings it up that where the steelers are drafting. You're never gonna get that elite corner when you when you need it so you end up getting the nod as elite corner okay. Achim there. we're leaving guys falls in a year. If you don't know that you need one you might really want to do. It will sure. Could you see this could. Could you see your draft data elite corner that guy's got to get into the starting lineup. Okay guess who your slot corner now. Joe haden joe. Haden joe haden. Could you let me thing you can. But he was virtue gently than my kill. People don't understand. I mean that's what that maybe i should be calling about now jeffrey. That's i wanna see from you. If this looks like it could be a possibility. What could what would joe hayden as the slot corner. Bring to the steelers that we would be able to expect that. That sounds like that. Has jeffrey written over it. But sure i mean in august. He's probably got. He's got film on it already. Yeah i mean if you have if you had someone else could also play the outside where you had that to me. That could be an upgrade of the secondary. It's a big yet. That's a big you so you're saying what. What are we addressed through the draft man. I'm still still in the club of if you can look at all these mock draft everything like this and we can get an idea. The kind of guy is going to be out there. but i'm always of the mindset that if you're sitting there and somebody slides yeah and you can't believe this person's there and all my gosh look at this guy bring for our team then you go get that gun you you've you to be. I think this year they want to go to the podium. Or you gotta go to get al's basement. I don't know yet. We'll see you know and you wanna make it to the you know at first everybody's question all my gosh. What are they doing here. Go for the they did. That's a luxury bub-bubba la and guess what it usually works out. Because you've got a very good player. I still love to tell the story. i've been doing a lot lately. Juju smith schuster is. This team is taking a wide receiver. The second they need to corner. Well guess what. Kim sutton in the third and i still say. He's been their best drafted corner that they've had in a long time. Yeah he longtime show and it would. It wouldn't have made sense to take sudden. They're they just got something where they needed to get sudden so it all worked out. I would if they took an edge in the first round. I'd kind of be surprised. A little lamb corner. It would only be if it was the right guy there. I don't i don't know of any safety. Jump out especially with what. The steelers are have had safety with their two young guys this year. You know safety might be there at another time I don't see a defensive lineman going high that would probably be an early day three. Pick if anita defensive lineman if you know what i mean Where they have with the steelers are projected to have a couple fourth round picks because it should be getting a comic in the fourth round iran democtratic. Monday on obviously. I read it on monday. take inside linebacker from tulsa collins If the steelers felt like having that double whammy young athletic this is what we do inside linebacker payer and they think that's what's gonna make this defense next level. I'm not gonna scream about on line. Yeah that was the other position where i thought they maybe would go that. Everybody's saying center and running back and all these obvious ones. And i'm at at actually wouldn't surprise me if the right guys there to see it be a corner and inside linebacker that those are the two main ones on defense. That would not shock me. Based on what i see in this year's draft and basically what's going on with the steelers right. Am i expecting it. Those position now but they won't shock me that if the right guys there that that they would do one of those ten. Yeah how many times did the steelers draft. Because they've really didn't expect them to be there. I mean go back to rod woodson. You know where tony tony. Dungy says don't even bother scout him. He's not going to be there when we pick and then there he was. What about todd. Rothlisberger cranny really expected to be there at eleven. He goes to be david. Decastro was not expected to still be there. Twenty four believe it or not but duprey was projected top ten. How was at the combine. He was one of those athletic freaks. The combine that now recently. We're seeing why he was such a combine guy because he isn't athletic freak but because he was a little bit raw it took him time to develop which title hindsight now tells you exactly why things happen with debris the way they did. So if you're going to have that player that you just didn't expect to be there. Like i thought when you pre was drafted. I thought the steelers are going to be taking a corner in that draft but whenever adapt to their picket twenty two. I remember sitting on my couch with my wife. Having no idea what i was talking about like they've gotta mike bud dupree available to take that guy and they did and then i made up two days later at the fan fest. So that was my first fan fest. So that's what i think. Now do do. I think they add other positions later absolutely. I think they're going to add other outside. Linebacker ably you know might mate. I'd be surprised if it was day to the only way i see that happen. If they'd pull a matt ep and trade back once or twice in game fifteen picks. Sorry about it you know gain you know have more than three picks in the first two days if not i see that. Maybe it's something that could be a saturday pick or something like yes but so inside linebackers. That position that. I could see them going big or not going at all. I mean yes. I did go big or not you know last year. I thought that was running back. Then they shocked me took one of the fourth which kind of still put kind of perplexed me with that one. So i know that when perplexed there i that one perplexed a lot of folks last year so final question about this before we get to our big question because i have i have. The big question is what i really wanna do but final question to you. Which isn't a big question. Do the steelers. Do you think they still have the chance to keep this defense elite. Oh yes even. They don't keep any of their same even if they don't retain any of their free agents. Yes you've got enough of a nuff of the core of what was an elite defense that they would be okay and could still very much be an elite new fence. It would not take a whole lot to fill it around. But that's because you've got a lot of pieces still there. Yeah they're key pieces missing yes again. The only other reason. I feel i can say that is because we got a half a year. Starting out of alex highsmith. You know. I'm not thinking of alex smith as much as a replacement as i would have if bud dupree replace the whole year. Yeah yeah yeah. I know exactly what you mean. So and and that time that he gained. Yeah makes me think okay. So you've got two year interior linemen you know you still got hayward into it. You'll have what an highsmith you'll have. Bush and vince williams. As of right now you know. How could you not be happy with that. You got hayden a nelson you got mak- in an edmonds. Gee whiz what's missing. Not a lot. Yeah be steelers could sign two of their quote unquote started level. free agents. Great like if you could do like allah wallow in sutton. Yes you know. It wouldn't be this to me if found a way to sign. I mean the sealer of still said they would like to keep bud dupree. They've been saying that for a very long time. You know and i understand why they understand. He's a good player. The just it just is going to get to a point where they kissed. Can't do the money Yeah the market's going to dictate that and they're not sure that the market is gonna play anywhere close to their favor and the here's the problem of ood good question. This isn't going to be the final question. I'm just gonna ask you this one so people can discuss this and the live chat until we get our final question up here in just a minute given the option you signing bud dupree. It's either or you can't do all this but depre- or alleluia and sudden where if you signed pre you know you're out of being able to bring back like an ally and a cameron sudden or my kill them or something like that. I probably still do it. What time be pre see. I'd go the other way. I because of the cost of bumper tightening can totally understand the argument. The other ways. Well i do i. it's close. It's question yeah. What makes it a good question You could get by with the loss of allah but Losing him and sutton is what would make it hard. And here's what's crazy. I am looking at the live chat. This isn't our because we're gonna bring up. It is split. It is split fifty fifty but it split and like oh absolutely slam dunk son. Tysun people like yeah. You're gonna sign bud dupree for sure. Well i know that's why it's still close. That's close game. But i already had actually probably surprised with that. A little bit did die. Probably you lean and go the other direction. Yeah but you gotta remember what mule said. You've got to remember you. Got the pre coming off the aco and honestly if there's a scenario where the steelers keep bud dupree. I'm going to tell you what my scenario is. If you think the steelers are going to work out a deal with dupree between now and monday it's possible. But i'm gonna say it's not likely to me. I think the best way to do pre would stay is if he hits the market. The market's not there because of one salary cap constraints with somebody teams and to concern over the acl that he realizes he's better off if he's not going to get the big deal to come back to the steelers to have another season or to. You know with with tj and then getting another big deal. That's the that's the best way to do it. But i don't think that's going to happen. I don't see him signing a one year. Deal with anybody. Other than pittsburgh. And i don't know what to do a one year deal but could you can't put off cap hit. I know but what if. Yeah what priest like. Nobody believes me on on on this deal. Can i come back there. Showcase getting hit free agency again the next year. If i'm steelers. I consider so get to the big question. I'll say one last prediction. I was gonna say you're going to see across the nfl this year. Very few one year deals because the fans are going to need to keep that cap number down that first year. That's just that's my guess. We'll see if that plays. Here's the big question answer it. I'm going to answer to and remember. Don't put it in there until you see that. I put it up in the live chat or else another break it up the steelers with their first round. Pick in the two thousand. They're maybe suffered trump trade. Don't care with their first pick in the two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft draft a blank position not counting special teams punter kicker long snapper. What position would anger you. The most with the steelers taking them in the first round would anger be the most. Yeah good choice. All right Remember don't put your answer out there in the live chat until i bring it up. You're going to answer quick. I'm going to answer quick. I got i got mine. I got mine. I've had you go ahead. You always make me go first. You go for wider cigarettes. Do yeah that was. I gonna draft one because i think they need one for depth but i don't think they need another top draft pick as wide receiver. I totally agree. I just there so remember. If you already put it up there are not going to. I'm not going to bring up until i was up there. Okay let's see what we got Chris chris goodwin wide receiver. Eric says quarterback creases linebacker. Mark says receiver. michael beck. I gotta give a good deputy. You know when. I was deputy dave debbie editor michael beck says wide receiver while you know what the heck back but the heck michael back. That's a good one. Gay steeler chick says says cornerback. She would not be happy with quarterback andrew wheel bar he. He's going there. He saying running back or safety. I think safety is another good one to to go. That would that was where i was. Go on defense is going to be safety. Yeah okay w. h. Said if he drafted defensive end strong safety. Donald says quarterback. Don't take the first round. Remember you know what i should say if you put up more than one position. I'm not gonna do it okay. Jeffrey does not want to corner. He doesn't want that scenario. We talked about what you don't bring both guys back and move hayden at the slot. Could he doesn't want to write that article. I suggest that's what it is. He i want to write that article now. Eric says safety reginald says wide receiver moore bringing that up. I said those didn't count gay Sherry says wide receiver code. On where we add. Steeler fit seventy four says wide receiver and to thaddeus says corner aces corner okay. I'll go ahead and do all retyped it. In that they had they had two lumberjacks had wide receiver or defensive tackle k. stays at wide receiver. Yep looking for more russ says running back. I am not a big fan of first-round running backs up said just because of their longevity in the league that's why the entire league is devalued the position. But i'm starting to see that there that for some of the elite ones. They are coming back to first round status. So if i don't wanna see them take a running back just for the sake of taking one because they need to improve the running game. I only wanted if they really have a. If they got a guy you kit. Yep that you can't pass on yet. Mule says running back cd says corner sherry says on defense she would say safety. Okay So these are just. I just thought that was an interesting question of well. Not about what they would take what you really want them not to take. You know i'd be fine with anything on the offensive line. Not guard as much if there as long as catholic store but i could see going guard because of not knowing how much longer they have. David decastro. I can see that just as easily but i would have that third on the list. In my opinion i could see. Nobody put tight end. No it's kinda surprised that. I thought we might see thou- thought we might see a tight end. King said inside linebacker. I'm telling you inside linebacker one of those positions like just like i said running back go bigger go home go get the best one to make it absolutely amazing or don't bother so That was a fun little exercise. So i think the steelers defense is still right there. It's very interesting because we did. We covered just corners a couple of weeks ago. And then i wrote an article about about what we talked about about keeping all four corners for the same cap hit that they currently have with just the two right now and the problem was i gotta commented that someone said. Did you not see how the season ended last year. We need to blow up everything. Why would you blow up this defense. Let me no sense you retain as much of this defense is possible and build opponent say tighthead end and i don't know that there's a you know the tight end would be there. Twenty four hundred. I wouldn't be super excited about pick end. But i mean if the steelers when i saw moctar had the seals take it a wide receiver and i'm just like with the ones they already have. It's it's interesting it's interesting and how well the steelers do getting wide receivers later in two or three four. Yep so i see them. I see them picking up debt piece there this year in the draft but all that could change you. They might not be picking up a piece of wide receiver if the looks at potentially right so here before we go right before we sign off. Here's my prediction. See michael beck. Says he'd rather have a vet wide receiver. I agree with that. I'd like to get that veteran presence in the locker room as well go take comes to for me. But that's just me let's grow. What was i gonna say tomorrow. You read my mind was going to say now that i know what i was gonna say when i was going to say i. I know what you're way to say. But you're gonna have to wait for it so at this point next week. I expect news of steelers. Free agents lost maybe news of steelers free agents of their own assigned especially zach. Banner something like that but at this point next week when it hasn't even hit the actual beginning of the league year. I'm not looking for the steelers to to have locked down any outside free agent. That's my prediction. Do you think the steelers have have any would have would have outside. Free agents locked in before wednesday if they do. It's only because you've predicted that they want only to make me wrong. Well that sounds like make sure we. There's going to be a lot of news comment. there's going to be a lot stuff and of course you know. We're here every day on youtube. It's we've got the evening show host monday wednesday friday I'm not brian and tony. Say anything if they're keep a. If i know they had moved her shoulder later from where it used to be earlier. There are thinking about moving back because of some changes with with both of those guys. 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The Cap Room: Tough decisions on defense for the cap-strung Steelers

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The Cap Room: Tough decisions on defense for the cap-strung Steelers

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From as a co host of steelers touchdown each was on the audio side now. His love youtube show that comes across about five pm on the east coast of america. H again we do that. Live in the future. On sunday morning he down under beget great to be joining you to talk. All things can hap- room as we enter your house or the full show in these off season focusing on the offense and what pittsburgh steelers can do around the offensive side of the football given when it comes to the salary cap particularly around. The seal is being over the salary cap. Now wait with the super bowl. Just sort of wrapping up in the last couple of days which means the season sort of wrapping up Now as we move into off season for every team in the nfl. I actually anticipated they'd be used to share with you going into today's podcast. Perhaps some dominos full overnight for me. And you know they might you couple of outdated things so important to put that time stamp their breath i just recap where we sort of sitting because the steelers depending on some of the numbers upwards of twenty million dollars over the salary cap at this point in time and with that with that twenty seven million dollars this massive decisions to be made particularly when you're going to be signing rookie So it'd be trading on your own draft picks away particularly when still gotta get younger at a number of different positions so one of the numbers that we've talked around a lot birth from behind. So could you might have seen it. water nfl discussions. And what have you an offset. Covid is the fact that the salary cap will be low of things to coated so That's no surprise to anyone. There is a strong feeling now that that will be very much around the one hundred and eighty million dollar mock. So that being the case the steelers as i mentioned in a on the podcast have actually got about five million dollars At the four point. Nine two executive five million dollars in rollover from las g so that's unspent cap. They're allowed to move into the number and this is one of those numbers were i sort of shed. Two weeks ago around the salary cap being a bit more fluid the dan. What would you typically expect from a hard cap sort of lake equally. We know that fans macdonald has retired. And there's another five million dollars saving there so if still is suddenly have in some terms fifteen million dollars more cat room than they originally had. Purely because that one hundred and seventy five million dollars each very expected to go around one hundred hundred million buck look it might not but according to the lots of different legs sources including adam. Schefter this is. What's being slated at the moment and then that's fog needles advance be donald and the steelers get that five million dollar railway. Say this deal is having one hundred. Eighty five million dollars cap room. So i saw Based on the numbers and obviously with vance mcdonald going they met were over. The cap reduces by Five point two million dollars as well so there. We created a cap room. All that sounds really really great. Except the pittsburgh steelers. I still over the cap end in terms of spending in twenty twenty one. The pittsburgh steelers will be the fifth most expensive defense in the league so to the chain of nine ninety nine point nine five million dollars if effectively a hundred million dollars but still spending one hundred and seven million dollars on offense that puts us in two hundred six million dollar mark. Now that includes advances number at the moment equally wing. No ben roethlisberger. We know it's being discussed the vets that The weekend there was a news that been real. Space contract would now be definitely be discussed off to the super bowl. We heard out remake similar statements during his into seasons so the press conference that he does around not so. Let's kick off looking at what twenty twenty one moves could be made by the steelers to get under the cap and to do that. I think we've got a look back at a few different case stats because really and truly. This was a defense. The d. terrifically well in our in the last couple of years for particular loss year there was the from an to set from a sacks perspective. We led the league again with fifty six sacks there was Attaining deceptions that you know the qb hits that was an incredible number of one hundred. Thirty seven qb hits. You know there are hundred. Three tackles for a loss jenner It was it was incredible to say that from the steelers we had you know. True players get more than more than ten sacks and tj ward who led the league with fifteen and fifteen games Regular season games. Eleven with steph onto it eight with bud dupree who only played eleven games United in to it that was a career ye so when we look at that defense the money that was spent. You woman argue. It's pretty well spent. When it comes to the defensive side of the football equally you know. I think when we look at the secondary whilst they didn't necessarily shocking wildcard game that the note the steelers yet we will. We niece joe biden. When he was out steven nelson had a had a solid season where he continued that sort of shutdown performance their unit from a positive perspective. Joe haden led the tame in fourteen games with twelve followed by minka with eleven in sixteen game steven nelson with nine pasta fences in fifteen games. Eight patrol eight for cameron. Sautin seven from cuban seven fatigue. What even five fatigue nala so really where we were able to break up the pause effectively when we weren't hitting the quarterback we went sagging the quarterback so really really interesting from that perspective on what you do with these defense so looking at it from that perspective it's important to think about the way the rest of the lake so the spending bills where the seals sort of without our talk about twenty twenty performance. But how did that stack up. Will in two thousand twenty the steelers with The seventh most expensive defense in the league so that followed behind the broncos the bills the ravens the dolphins and the chafes. Now we look at that. The bills the ravens and the chiefs were or went deep into the playoffs. Equally there in the ifc and in fact you know obviously we know the ravens are out counterpart in the afc north. But what it tells you is. That defense is critical. When it comes to bain a and not just i mean these number shows you inexpensive defense but we know from tampa bay did over the weekend in the super bowl defense. You need defense to win championships. you still need offenses. I talked about in touch under last week to be able to score points but an end cap room to in las when we focus on the offense but it's still very critical that you actually have plays that can step up. And and you know the realities you do need to pay for quality edge rush. You go to help pay for top-quality cornerbacks and even Interior defensive lineman of the top tier gaza demanding of money at the moment. So in twenty twenty. The steelers had the second most expensive interior defensive line and we will look at those sorts of players that they hadn't air tossing all wallow in cameron hollywood. And what have you from edge perspective. There are a bit more meat range. You're spending the spending about twenty Twenty million or fit for those edge russia's in came to the linebacking cool stills again. We're about me. Tearing the league with fourteen million does spend along with washington The charges and they spent about fifteen the saints were in there at fourteen as well. Panthers closed behind in footing. So the is that probably makes sense. I think when you think about bush First round draft peak second year in the league. Think about vince vince. H. e. That's probably no surprise to my steeler fans at safety we will sort of in that early twenties for that Me twenties for that where we spent About seven million when you think about minke terrell edmonds than you always go to jordan dangerfield in there In what have you so again. That's probably Massive surprise and then from a cornerback. Perspective twenty twenty year. The steelers were right up there. In fact they're in the top ten. They were eighth in the league with twenty two million dollars being sent if you think about the value. Add that twenty two million dollars. When you've got players like steven nelson you've got joe hiding. You've got a really good and he won't be an attractive Proposition for teams in cam sutton and you have mike news coming off contract that twenty twenty that twenty two point four nine million to twenty two and a half was really effective number that was spent in twenty twenty and led to rollers Stats and success. That we talked about unfortunately not playoff success. Now as i said this she steals will be spending ninety nine million dollars on defense in twenty twenty. They spent ninety. Six million years. Outweigh i in twenty nine teen eighty two million. I'm not gonna go further than that. Because i think it was wing. No salary caps obviously grown up exponentially year aena and equally. The defense has got more expensive as gods like cameron heyward of signed. The david deals. You've ding 'cause like joe haden you've stephan to it. Had that big deal that hey obviously signed a fees go so the going back further than that these numbers again start reducing and when i looked at those scaling back homeless five to ten million each time we slow back. But let's full. It's twenty twenty one because that's really essentially what we're talking about in in these cap room showers we heading as we. Now get through this off season so in two thousand and twenty one. The steelers will have the fourth most expensive expenditure on the interior defensive line with thirty three million. That's behind the rams. Forty eight million obviously handled. Aaron donald defensive defense supplier the year rewind guy there today that You know obviously necessarily but obviously there's a twenty plus million nephew he's contract. The eagles forty seven million fletcher cokes. Grinding tier defensive lineman Annuals ago. Joe inaugurate with them the ravens. They're sitting there thirty six million at the moment for twenty twenty one in chimps their interior defensive line as well so no surprise there in fact still sofala die by the bills in the bengals so again you sort of seeing the big defenses I mean not necessarily the bengals of the best defense but you certainly can say some. The top plays In terms of top players in terms of teams for the interior defensive line on the edge the seals go all the way down to twenty third in terms of expenditure with eleven million dollars currently slated for this for the edge. Now that's pretty interesting when we lennon at when the cap talks about an edge playoff. You're talking about Outside linebackers wound you. Look at the st louis formation as well so with bud dupree coming off obviously that knox quite a hefty amount of that sort of fifteen million dollars. Sorry things brin six was his franchise tag number Oversee you've got alex hice meeting there. You've got tj watts stealing there You know any any twenty twenty one page is gonna make about ten million dollars And then you've got some guys on much cheaper. Low the one million dollar contracts from your roughly around moline dole contracts from nasa no surprise to see that age full on that could be robotham is for the steelers particularly if they could peak someone in the second or third round. Sort compliment that room at the linebacker position. So we're talking more inside linebackers there so you know you're devon bush's you've been swims and what have you the steelers. A subsidiary fifteenth at the moment With thirteen point eight nine dollars being spent. That's behind the bills And if at who were spending fourteen point nine million if you think about the bills. They've got tremaine edmonds. Who's terrific then. Terrell edmonds hasbro devos got matt milano. And they've got a few all the k- plays there so that's a really well spent Inside linebacker room. The most expensive is the vikings up there. Which is probably not surprised. With a couple of ak plays as well followed by the you as the science. The right is the seahawks And then you go down the list to the steelers. The safety position the pittsburgh steelers are currently sitting oil down in twenty third. Which is pretty interesting when you consider you go. Terrell edmonds and make fitzpatrick on their rookie deals stills of hispanic about seven and a half million dollars that seven hundred seven million five hundred sixty. Six thousand The ravens a slightly ahead and joshua's of behind as there the browns as well so But more to say that the safety position that you're sort of seeing spread with different younger plays in different teams In the browns you know sort of sitting there in the early seventy two and they have drafted well into that position with grant. Goslett grant del over loss. Fees at cornerback. The skills currently sitting third behind the dolphins and the ravens now we know where the ravens gods like marlon humphrey in there He he creates a headache for the steelers. We know that gosling mockus paid is for them to the dolphins spending thirty four million on guys like eggs xavi and how would Byron jones on a few other guys too so And they in fact. The dolphins spending only french thousand less than steals in defense. But then you have. This deals in their thirty. Three million and datura interesting. When we think about like joe haden steven nelson cameron move comes on off contract but my coat and so this. That's a massive cap number of the steelers have to deal with. And when we look at the quote. Like if you compare a joe haden ended steven nelson versus exuding howard and a barn germs or marcus. And amman humphry. Those deals guys. Like joe haden gripe olsen winning compounds on the bowl steven nelson i think's going from strength strengthens in quite an unsung hero. 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Lon back is safeties and cornerbacks defensive number as we shed the steel is set to be the fifth most expensive defense in twenty twenty one. So what can they do to create. captain. That's the golden question. Now when we look at the free agents that she looking at bud dupree williamson. So that's true k. Gauze in that lawn backing choral that agent linebacking. If you wanna qualify that way mike healton tyson all waller names. Continue to get bigger than you announced like jaren cassius marsh. Those guys don't really. You didn't come back interesting. Depth chris warmly. I think he had a strong finish to the season. If the steelers can find a cut price deal everyone knows young family. So you might wanna stand spoke since he made the move from From the ravens in Loss chief season great to see if we could bring him back. You got shown davis steals. Want bring him back. Jordan dangerfield again. No he was the special teams captain. That but can we forties captain on the go cameron sutton who Argued a couple of shows. Ego is sort of a number that we could sort of race on him for. I do think he might offers a bit more versatility in coverage And when we talk about the difference in contract he'll be looking for all of us as mike he may will be the option. Still go with whether you like it or not and even from a cost perspective. Not if we even if we don't talk about that Coverage capability that he has from the. You're marcus allen who's in the exclusive rights free agent. I wouldn't mind Slapping on ab the whatever the peak tenders for him in seeing if he gets picked up by someone else. I don't think he's the featuring sled linebacker evenings on linebacker debt for the steelers. I'd rather say this unit be able to drop someone else to be honest obviously a denny as well. He's a restricted. free agent. what can they do with him. he's probably not the answer for us. Outside linebackers you can assign teacher. Faux furs career heartfully Or close to. Everything's a couple of years. Alex highsmith's doing well we to t guys to challenge those guys to spell them. Add any is not the block and then you Spelane is willing exclusive rights. free agent. Donate do what they can to keep him. He's core to that inside linebacking and particularly when we go through the options steals have to create cap room so keeping him will be really important and can we spread that cost over multiple use so looking at the steelers salary cap. It doesn't give you a lot of joy And it's funny. I think what would who were able to race on. Out of those free agents actualized predominantly what they did with ben roethlisberger. He's only offensive side of the football. Ben ben would know that he needs a solid defense he probably came apart from coming back from the god for the gods murray's pouncey david decastro and big al. He came. he came back knowing that he had a defense that could get him to a championship. Something that was lacking unit before twenty nine teen but his cap number in the nineteen million dollar hit for the season outside of the twenty two and a half per audit barness that twenty two five million dollar by priroda burns desired. That onto million is going to be cool to give particularly given the large cap. Numbers connects you. Which i ant one lost week. That's going to be really cool to what we're going to be able to do from the defensive side of the football when you talk about plays though that have capital of eighteen million in twenty twenty twenty twenty one. The defensive guys Joe haden steph onto it. And this in order of expenditure cameron haywood steven nelson. T. j. watt vince williams devin bush terrell admins and mingka fitzpatrick now when we look at cots in race structures. It's very much about. I if you're gonna cut them Spend a really important draft. Pick on the no. We know the steals needed. Spend your off peaks on the offense whether it's the offensive line goff the crate unix great. Qb they're probably gonna spend a sick maybe even a third wide receiver. We need a running back. You can't afford to waste those peaks necessarily so Equally decisions to be made around. You know Filthy contract options for love. Goslett terrell adnan's but you probably not going to cut terrell and mingka not when tyrrell's capcom by ease three point four million dollars any really had a great year in twenty twenty improved In great city can do with another one and then minka utah. Two point seven million dollars. You don't cutting him particularly isn't oprah. That's great valley dam. We allied to talk about value. In these podcasts devin bush. You not gonna cut him. He was severely meese last year when he was drafted a couple spots behind devon what who played terrific win the super bowl over the weekend. They were prospects. They could be the two best inside linebackers in the league for a long time to come Cutting him. But vince william vince. Williams has a cap number of seven million dollars this year with a four million dollars cap saving and with the with the sort of role that he plays defense. Kansas use of afford four million dollars could be caught that united Bring back on the shape. Can we trading. I mean trading. We still the hit. But we got the cap saving. I don't know where the teams are the wanting to pay seven million but debt particularly for run stopping inside linebacker. But there's a lot of weakness in the inside linebacking core water teams in the nfl. For me. I did mention a couple of weeks. Yoenis speak to my word there. I would be cutting vince and working on what you can do. Elsewhere elsewhere with him You know feel that need cheekily. Robert splaine's more important to cape at this point you could go get a thumping gainer Player from in the draft. Whether it's the salambak can you convert a run stopping safety. That's got the size of an inside linebacker that could be notion for the studios as well. Potentially so yeah. I think there's some options that were the they could play around with day equally as you go up the list steven nelson. He's a bit younger than joe. Haden units saving nelson's cap number for two thousand twenty. One is fourteen point. Fourteen million visit. Joe haden which is fifteen point. Five seven five. Joe haden opposite offers a cap. Saving of seven million. David was a cap mealy cap saving of eight point. Two five million now with that you will hang on on the face of it. Cutting stevenson's better jahmil cat room. But what i can happen with. Stephen sayre say what i think can happen with steven nelson stepped onto it but like steph onto it is a race structure and array structure would significantly help. The was defensive. Spend the season. I think it's something you may will say given that Wary sitting in the next couple of years. Because that's a huge number that we can sort of. Save the shearing. And we probably wanna cape if we all losing joe biden equally the cat number fifth stefan to it twenties. Justice league onto fifteen million. I talked about a restructure two weeks ago on what we could do him for the steelers to be able to create room to sign. God's like explain to sunlight guys like sutton hazo restructuring. His is a must because even if you would have caught him you wouldn't offer his career. He and i personally same in a steelers jersey. He's corre- you're only gonna save about five point. Six five million. Joe haden does loom lodge is the largest caught for the season equally. I think there are some hungry teams in the nfl for cornerback. Could you try to get the cap saving and get something in the draft. You know there are some teams that would be. We now need quarterbacks and in fact. I've got news for everyone out there. I'm seeing a little room is when i was doing some research head of today. Show cleveland browns. A pretty interested in what they might be able to do with hilton. Which would be really upsetting that right now. The steelers just don't have the numbers to you know in terms of cap room to be able to on mike hilton again. Her knows what as ray structures could do. But that gives you a feel sort of always more expensive players you know in terms of the steelers defense and what they can do. So as just a recap de joe haden do try to do we caught. You probably don't want. I would kicking the can down the road if we ray structure stefan to stave nelson of ripe for race structure. Tj what he's spend this year's ten million dollars. You don't really want to do any of that in terms of you've you ray structure your Restore ray signers. Tim deal these cap. The go up unless you to reward guarantees in priroda arneses. I think they'll leave that finance g when they know roughly will benz doing and they know fewer the players that are retiring or tiring. But here i mean we come back to you live next week. I come up to you recording next week. And the big gal murray's pounds he's retired. You've done any extension from someone else. They've tried to castro. I mean who knows but right now on paper to it for ray structure nelson for ray structure hate. Him probably needs to be caught. The sad As much as it would affect the steelers defense and how they getting deceptions because we saw house severely he was missed in the latter stages of the season putting that aside i thought it might be interesting to look what are other big name players. Big name players A rough you know an available in free agency inner in this in this offseason so by doing so obviously we know bud dupree is up there as one of the big unit talk name free agencies off season but bod scott some injury concerns. I mean we did his name in You know there was a rumor that he'd signed a six million. I don't think so. He months as number bit less than that fifty million equally. It could be much higher with what he's been of loss for years but apply like shaquille barrett resume the euro. He's available for. They had the same franchise tag numba but he's also available. So is melvin ingram. Who's a bit older too so extreme you should see. What the maki's. But i don't think still is in the makes for any of those guys that it'd be interesting to look at what the number is equally guys like matt juden when williams Sir ravens and giants you know. They're available in the sixteen million dollars. That's the top end of town so we're probably not going to be sitting there with little cat room issues that we got at the moment but when he guard down deeper into the deeper into the free agency tossing ottawa. At two point eight million does that was his average per year contract number going into the inner free agency period. Can we bring back all the water that would shore up a defensive line and creates instability in Still face a bit of flocks can tell us teach the trade to a fifth fifth-round instead of a six or seven drafted interior defensive linemen. I think there's an opportunity to potentially bring back user tossing allah waller this offseason equally Down have a look this some other value that could be potentially gotten William jackson foods coming. Now he's gonna probably sonnet really decent contract if the bengals not resigning anyway with someone else. He's average he's lowdown these loose because he's averages on the two point four million but gainer they're all plays in these cornerback. Titian i mean you've got darren calmly there. He's only two point. Six million could hey sort of to fill a role one dhabi a an older play. That's floated around a bit you know. He ended up in washington this as an often with the eagles. He's twenty seven detail for you. Something you know derek wolfe and he's gonna probably cosstalk woods if three or four million serve as a replacement for. Vince probably doesn't stack up. So you probably will say the steelers use the draft to support their linebacking core particularly if they all gonna cut Chee from a safety perspective. You're there are some players that a potential options there will. Pox is coming out year. I think marcus maye differently. Why be an option. He's down this list. Bit only purely. Because he's he's playing off that original contract he signed with the jets so they probably not necessarily the right. The right guys you Sa- j of the pronounce his name wrong. So if you give me there but you know he's off contract is well with the browns Hey girl for something i neri. Kiana neal is coming off. Contract with the falcons. He should sign a man's deal. So that's unfortunate so looking at it there's lots of guys The necessarily are available bed. The question will come down to the steelers cap room in what cap room. We've got y- because the wants different plays of contract that a great but the steelers dinosaur. We have an ability to bring them in. I think jalen mills is a smoking from that from the eagles I think he's a smirke if you like Fep potential pickup by the steelers. He visited safety officer. Bit at cornerback. he might be interesting one that if he can get on the shape and integrate so again. It's just some really interesting numbers into what you can do when you look at the older players as well you know. Thomas davis unit. He's going to be thirty eight. You probably don't want to integrate humans to the lineup. He's achieved god that physi- some support in that in that linebacking room. This guys like steve mcclendon just bombed the buccaneers and ex steel year. If tauzin doesn't come back to you bring him back for a final season swansong. Probably most people are going nar but if it fills a need and you know remembering back. Chris wiley a coup wellbeing option. It could well be an ocean so we've talked a lot this podcast about what the defense can do in the impact and as always a like to give a bit of a value in terms of wheat pittsburgh steelers whose whose value around the league or whose value For the for the pittsburgh steelers in terms of their contract spend but this week. I thought we'd go back to our over the cap evaluation numbers as we said there Over the caps valuation. They look at essentially the the pay. F- f- numbers against the average per year contract number. So i'm looking at over. The cats valuation are found a couple of plays from the twenty twenty season that really delivered overall. That actually not necessarily completely out of the realm of possibility for the pittsburgh steelers to potentially go off to the current. And i play that. I wanted to look out was alexander johnston now his car in average pay per year on his deal is currently sitting at six hundred and fifteen thousand now. He deleted value over his average pay per year. According to pay grades and experiences of or contracts of ten point seven million dollars and he did that or assemble a ten point. Seven three nine million dollars worth of value for his position so few would pay him free statistics based whenever in the league. That's that's what that's what he wouldn't be worth and he's a free agent in this off season now he's hand option for the pittsburgh steelers in the inside linebacker room. That's a great question. But you know what. I've actually got a second player. That could be a great asset for the pittsburgh steelers and that would be dalvin tomlinson from the new york giants now. He's a three four defensive tackle so he's differently helpful and he could. You know his replacement for tossing all all now. He's every her Average pay per year is one point. Four three million and he delivered seven point six nine dollars. Seventy nine million dollars. Are you ever since ova his pay packet. He is a free agent. He's off season. So i talked about tossing all but if you had two or three million. Do you bring in someone like a dalvin thompson. He's twenty-seven out than eastern house in johnston's thirty is back the g. bringing alvin johnson. Twenty seven alabama drafted in round two fifty five role three engine. Ten pounds. Six foot three. That's nice size for a defensive tackle. Hey mont elevate that defense and help you ron and does that allow you to get more mobile in the inside wimax in coal. That's a great question. And you know what i've ing he. Simone that might be clearly snapped up. That he's the sort of player that could elevate. Elevate these defense. So that caps off stills cap room for this week. I hope you enjoyed the shire as always. If you've got a question for me you've gotta fight because she want me to adding to to a show whether it's still capterra most touchdown on feel free to hang out around.

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Steelers Preview: Steelers vs. Ravens Part 2 could be drastically different than Part 1

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Steelers Preview: Steelers vs. Ravens Part 2 could be drastically different than Part 1

"What if all you're breaking news alerts had a voice what would that sound like it would sound like today? Explain its daily news podcast from vox. I'm Sean Ramos grim every day my team, and I take one essential news story, politics, two movies sports science, and we break it down into twenty minute episodes. Perfect for your ride home subscribed today. Explain on apple podcasts or wherever you listen from Stitcher, and the vox media podcast network. Pittsburgh Steeler fans. Welcome back to another episode of the Steelers pre show, I'm Jeff Hartmann editor of behind this curtain dot com. With me as always my co host Brian Davis, Brian we both live in Maryland. We know what's coming up. Ravens two point. Oh for the two thousand eighteen thousand nine hundred and season the sealers got to win this. A man Dave got to win this on. How are you this evening? I'm doing great. And of course, I love raven week because with them losing last time they are kind of off their guard a little bit. They're feeling even though they've lost three of their last four. They're still feeling cocky about going up against the Pittsburgh Steelers. So I'm feeling like this could be. Something they're not expecting Jeff. Yeah. It could be you know, they have lost to enroll the Steelers won three in a row. It definitely seems like these two teams are coming in to this week on different trajectories. But Vegas, they always knows something folks. And they have the Steelers still is three point dogs on the road. Now, I understand the history of Mt. Bank stadium. I wanna say Brian correct me if I'm wrong that I know they won their last year. Thanks, largely to Mr. Shazia. We always shave leave in Hartman house. But after before that they hadn't won there in what three years, I think this was the last time they won in. Mt Bank or was it longer than that. You know? I know it wasn't fifteen because I had gone to that game. And I absolutely hated my experience at Mt. Bank stadium. So I am not sure that's something that I can very easily look up and let you know. But I think it's been a while. I know the year before was the I think it was sixteen where Chris Boswell tried that crazy onside kick the did not work. There's been lots of disasters that crap hole in Baltimore. Well, you know, I it kind of now that I think about it. I wanna say the prior to last season the last time they wanted MNT Bank stadium. And if you're watching live on YouTube, and you're in the Chad. And you know, this off the top of your head, please let us know. But I pretty sure I wrote an article about the. Last time. They won an MNT Bank was when Charlie batch hit heath Miller. Heath Miller dives for the pylon gets the top that it was a tremendous game. I was that two thousand and. Was that she doesn't twelve Brian team. And I'll tell you why it was they started out Owen four and they came back and made a season out of it. I'm almost made the playoffs after starting out own for. Yes. I remember that season. Okay. So yeah, it'd been a long time. So this is kind of like the Pittsburgh Steelers house of horrors, they don't play well here typically, and I say here because again, we live in Maryland Brian has been to Mt. Bank stadium to see Steelers ravens game. I've heard enough stories that I don't ever want to step foot in that place ever for anything. People. There's an I don't wanna go there for anything because I've heard nothing, but horror stories, Brian I'll give you an opportunity later on the show. If you wanna share your stories about your experience there a couple years ago, but let's get into the nuts. And bolts this game get down to brass tacks says some say in let's talk about matchups to watch in this game. Now last week. I still your thunder. I've went I I didn't tell you. I was going. I I will kick it off to you. You can go ahead and have the first matchup. What is your key matchup number one on your list to watch for in this upcoming AFC north grudge match? Well, one of the biggest problems in week four when Pittsburgh took on Baltimore at Heinz field was there was no pass rush whatsoever. However that bad pass rush was that lack of pass rush. Excuse me was because the corners were not covering. And their star corner. Joe Haden was having a lot of problems with John Brown. Now for me, that's a pretty big matchup because they have to me the remember one receivers because they're all huddling around the same yardage around three fifty three sixty that's Willie. Steed the fourth. Don't forget. He is the fourth. There's a lot of Willie needs running around out there. I'm sure there's gonna be more too. But Michael Crabtree as well. And of course, Jon Brown. So they're all hanging around that same area with the same amount of catches. So they're all dangerous but show Hayden. It's going to have to start an end with Joe the next week the very next week, he shutdown. Holy jones. And then he went up against Mr. green and Cincinnati. And then all of a sudden last week they really than throw someone huge atom, but he still did. Well, so Joe Haden. Hidden is the lynchpin of that secondary right now. And he is so important if he could keep it going that's going to help them out so much because that was the one game where Joe Haden was exposed Joe. She likes going up against those more physical collar receivers because he could play with them so much more. John Brown is not that. But John Brown is lethal and Joe Haden needs to stop them. And that starts this week. That's matched up number one. Jeff. Yeah. Into piggyback on that. I think that Joe Haden member he had missed that we prior against Kansas City with a hamstring injury. I'm not a hundred percent sure that he was feeling one hundred percent in that matchup. Anyone that's ever experienced any athlete that ever experienced a hamstring pool. And we're talking about even in high school the first time you step back on the playing field, regardless of sport. You're very hesitant. Because the one thing you don't want to have happen is you? You go, and you take that stride, and you drive off of that leg. And boom it pulls again. And now you're on the bench for another two to three weeks. I wouldn't be shocked if Joe Haden if he were honest with someone would say I wasn't myself that game. But now, I think he is one hundred percent I'm going to kind of stick with a similar theme from your matchup as my first matchup. And as the fact that in my opinion, the most dynamic player honesty lers defense did not play in that week four game. And that's my Hilton my he'll miss that game. He injured his elbow against the chiefs. He had to sit out the ravens game. If you've watched this team when Hiltons in the lineup or let me rephrase at if you've watched the defense when Hilton is in the lineup compared to when he isn't talk about night and day, Mike Hilton brings ace ridiculous dynamic that they don't have when he's not in the lineup. It's just imagine. Quarterbacks always have to know where he is. They have to know where he is on the field. And they're always guessing is he coming is he blitzing or is he going to be backing off into coverage? And it's just that little hesitation there. Not sure what to do there's gonna guess because that's what quarterbacks half to do is to try to predict what the defense is going to do Hilton's. Very good at disguising that blitz Mike Hilton versus the ravens pass protection. And in coverage is going to be a huge matchup for the Steelers. And I like it in this magic because the ravens might use the tight imposition more than anyone else. So Mike Hilton is going to be a big factor in stopping those tight ends in getting pressure on the quarterback and really making life difficult or more difficult for Joe flacco or whoever has the football in their hands. That's for me. Ju I think Mike. Hey, my kill them. He's the most dynamic defended. I they have right now. Now. And it's because he does so much for this defense. That's key number one for me. What is your second one Brian? You know, I'm five nine as well. And I consider myself very dynamic, and I'm all over the podcast just like a Mike helton's all over the field. So I just thought I would throw that in with shameless self promotion for myself, which is actually a whole bunch on fly number two for me. You know? So I started off talking about the lack of pass rush. I'm gonna stay on defense and talk about getting the pass rush going again. Now, it's very easily to very easy to say, you gotta get Tice. Watt going again, which I'm sure he will. But but depre- really stood out last week against Cleveland. I thought he had a great game. In fact, he was on my honor. Roll did not did not go ahead and get valedictorian of the defense. Joe Hayden did but bowed excuse me, bud. Do pre really made things. Happen. He's going up against big Ronnie Stanley of that left tackle position. And if he could get to flacco is one thing that flacco, you might think flacco was an average quarterback had not elite unless you're in Baltimore because everyone thinks Joe flacco sleeve in Baltimore. But one thing about him. He is at quick release. He can get to them. But he's going to get that ball off right before you you get to him. And he's with those chin. That's something that he's very dangerous with. So I really think but new pre for himself needs to keep it going and for that defense needs to keep it going. I really think he's putting together a pretty nice season. He's getting back. He's becoming not a force. But he's becoming a disruptor on that defense. And I really think he's going to continue this week. If he does that could be tough day for mister flacco, no doubt about it. Bud Duprey, and we we could say his name every week. But I I like how yet it did he played well against Cleveland. He needs to do it against a good a good team. And I think the the ravens would definitely be that team for him in again. I don't need, bud. Depre- to have a breakout game and have three and a half sacks. Like TJ did against the Browns and week one. That would be tremendous. If he gets quarterback pressures quarterback hits moving Joe flacco in the pocket that can be equally as effective when you have guys like ham. And Hayward and Steph onto it hopefully present inside the pocket now, I'm going to go to the other side of the football in. I'm gonna talk about James Connor in the running game. Now last time this Euler net up with the ratings and week four. They were down fourteen nothing in the blink of an eye. I think if you took a beer breaker a bathroom break, you came back and said what the hell happened and we'll put out this ad. It was that quick. And I really didn't like how this deal is completely abandoned the run silver Lii in that game. Everyone felt advanced cell to their thinking. And I remember texting coz on the standard is a standard Emma the post game show Lance Williams during that game. Thank is saying they've got abandoned the script you got to abandon it. You gotta get. You gotta start throwing it. And he even said not yet too early. Well, turns out rain defeating our Ben Rothlisberger for right with me because they did abandon it. I I wanna say the James Caan really had nine carries in that game. I wrote an article today for the website, if you haven't checked it out check it out the same shameless plug that it was about how James. Conor can really make himself. Stand out stand apart from lady on Dell in terms of playing well against the ravens and lady on della played against the ravens nine times in his career on average. He got the ball seventeen point seven times as just in the running game in the average eighty yards per game. I want wanna say out of those nine games five of them. He did not have eighty yards rushing. But he did have some really big games in the last years where he rushed for over one hundred amber, the biggest gain he had one hundred and forty four I think that might have been in two thousand seventeen nonetheless James Connor playing well against a team like the ravens could really set him up confidence wise an for a fan perspective. I would love for him to be labeled a raven killer. The last player that I think you could say that guy was a raven killer was Santoni oh homes. Every time to see was needed a big play against the ravens. It's e my Tonio homes as a guy that stepped up James. Honor could be that guy. But it doesn't just come down to Connor. It's the play the play calling rainy feet and got to stick with it. The offense of lines. Gotta get some push in Connor's got to run the ball with thority something he has tended to not do as well early in games even against Cleveland. He did not have a good start net. Offense didn't have a good start. So I don't wanna be that get immediate reflection on him the needy get Connor going because that is what gets this offense going getting that run run game going. They creates manageable down and distances key match of number two could be key matchup number one James Caan in the running game has to be an influence in this game week four can't happen again in the Steelers expect to win not at MNT Bank. So that's my second match Brian. What's yours? You know that was my third matchup, and it still is that was just the precursor to my third up. So we were gonna I was gonna talk about how you have to get James Connor going just. Like you did. But I was going little different direction. I'm going right up front with marquees melts. He is quietly just an MVP of this team for what he has done this season. We have talked a lot about big Al Villanueva being able to expect especially last week being able to go ahead and shut down Myles Garrett. But you know, it starts with the the big guy right in the center of that line. And it's Mark he's pouncey, and he's going up against a very big fella named Brandon Williams in Brandon Williams is a clogged. Brandon Williams is not gonna be a sack master. But he's going to just get a lot of tackles and just clogged up that those lanes. These big load. He's like three forty Jeff. And he's going to go in and clog up those lanes for James counter to get through. If if a like marquees pouncey could clear the way forum than James will get going. So that matchup in the trenches is going to be huge Jeff for weeks three. So pouncey versus Williams market down. It's a big one. Yeah. And Leakey said the interior that ravens defense is normally very stout. They normally do not give up a lot of space. So the Steelers from an offensive play calling standpoint half to be creative with how they get James Connor the football. He is fast enough to be able to take us weep in maybe gained some yardage ended. It lands Williams. Who's in our live chat right now is talking about counter plays and things of that nature. They have to be creative. This is a game. Where Ben Rothlisberger. Randy feeder, if they are one in the same if they are the brain power that could be very very solid offense. And it has been so far this season. They have to put together a really good plan. And that's going to be one aspect of it. I think the whole offense of lines gotta continue to play ridiculously good football me think about it. The last three games in this winning streak. Ben Rothlisberger has been sacked one time been hit twice. That's amazing. Like that doesn't happen. Too much in. They're not playing. Club teams either playing scrub defenses. But you know, what? For me, I'm going to go on the other side of the football back to the defense for my third matchup, and it's kind of a two part. We'll call it three a and three b number three is. And this is something that lands actually mentioned in the group had Howard the Steelers go into defend John Brown. Nets guy that tortured them last time at wanna say he had two touchdowns in day were just way too easy. I don't think that he's going to surprise anyone this week. I don't think the Steelers are going to be stunned when they play him. I don't think Artie burns is going to be in the lineup is much Joe Haden being back Joe Haden being healthy is going to be huge. Mike Helton being back is going to be huge Torella Edmonds getting more experience the Steelers again, just like I talked about with feet and on offense. And he'd be creative with how they handle that defense don't ever leave Terrell Edmonds as the single high safety in this game because it's not to. End. Well, Sean Davis has quietly having a heck of a season. And I think that the Steelers defensively from a secondary standpoint. I'm not sure if Cody sensible is gonna play he was limited on Thursday. That's going to be something to watch more Cameron Sutton. Would he be forced into play where they with AB forced to play Artie burns? There's some questions there. But I think the Steelers I'm looking at John Brown. And I'm thinking we have to keep the play in front of us. That's something they've done very well throughout the course of this three game winning streak in need to continue that keep the plane front of you safety should never let a guy the hind him in John Brown is super super quick. He's the guy that can get up to you quickly. Next thing, you know, he's behind you. They have tape on him. They should know what to expect. But that's my three eight three b is do not fall for Lamar Jackson's gadgetry B s now I know that he did throw a touch. Down pass. I think against Carolina last week. So they're trying to show that he's not just going to run the football whenever he gets into the lineup. But the Steelers now they have to be prepared for Lamar Jackson. I'm not sure if they took Lamar Jackson serious in that week four game. And he actually did some damage against them. He ran the ball very effectively than wildcat was working. They were gaining yardage when the March axon enters the game, they need to be prepared. They need to be disciplined. And it almost reminds me of when they used to play like a Michael Vick wet team or even Robert Griffin the third early in his career. Did the goal was never to just get to the quarterback. They always talked about. How you cone them in the outside. Linebackers cannot get pushed up the arc. That's your. It's a death knell. If you do that Conan in force them to step up into the pocket. Don't give them an exit route on the outside. That's how you beat those. That's how you beat that test of. Quarterback. And that's what they're going to have to do again. So those are my three a and three b stopping John Brown by keeping the play in front of you never letting him get deep and then also keeping an eye on Lamar Jackson and the gadget plays because they're going to run them, and you have to be prepared for them. And I think by week nine you have a whole half of a season of Tate shouldn't get too many surprises. But you never know you never know. Okay. So there your key matchups. I did ask the people that are will watching live on YouTube when they're key matchups were and I did want to read a couple of them before we move on. Quad says you just have to be more physical time at the physicality that's something to the Steelers defense brought this past week against Cleveland that they hadn't broad prior. They were physical. And I think it was Cameron Heyward. That said that Mike Tomlin gave it a message to the defense saying Nick chub and Baker Mayfield to rookies for the Browns at I want you to indoctrinate them into AFC north football. I want them to feel what if they come to Pittsburgh and played the Steelers that maybe half with the switch because you definitely saw difference. Hopefully that keeps up Kevin Colbert. The general manager of the Steelers. Vansh? He's always here vans McDonald verses their safety tandem of wet Jefferson. Vance McDonald did not actually play surprising. When I did. I always do a snap total article every week. And when I did mind something that really should rise me is that Jesse James played one is either four or forty one snaps to Vance. Mcdonald's twenty seven maybe that might be high. I don't have them right in front of me. So I apologize but Jesse James played a lot more. So I would definitely go a step further and say McDonald and James versus the safeties. The Steelers have typically found space against the ravens in the middle of the field. Ken McDonald continue to be a viable option. We hope so. The gray said he said the Steelers offensive line versus the ravens defensive line. That's always a huge matchup. Let's see here scrolling through. I see. Yeah. There you go. So that that that's how they had. So let's go ahead lead to matchups now. Now, we're gonna go to our player to watch. This is a player that we think could be a stand out in some way, shape or form. It could be the Steelers could be from the ravens, and it could be forget or bad, whatever lay squad you Lance. I apologize. Brian. Go ahead who is your player to watch in this week nine matchup against the Steelers. And ravens calling me. Lance is a compliment. And I really appreciate that. So it depends on he's out there. I'm just trying to butter up the Lance. This is I was all prepared to go ahead and say Ben Rothlisberger in which you know, he's he is huge in this matchup. He has to go ahead and put together four quarters football. But you know, what I want to go with someone somebody that you would never even think that it would bring up that's Morgan Burnett. And the reason I'm going with Morgan Burnett in this game is he is starting to get healthy. He's starting to practice more. If you what has been advertised from him you're going to get a feel general on the field along with Joe Haden. You're going to get some maturity out there, you're going to get somebody. That knows how to play winning football and help shore up that defense, and that's gonna be really huge. That's something. They didn't really have last time against Baltimore. So that's safety presence. Whether it's helping the clog up this tight ends in the metal metal or anything deep. That's gonna be really important in Terrell. Edmonds. I think is starting to put together a nice. Season. But he's still green. He's still young. And he is still susceptible to giving up something huge. And I wanna see Morgan Burnett. Go head in there and just just help strengthen it just by being there and being a presence in. I think he's going to start that this week, and you can stop everybody can stop, you know, complaining about the signing. Because if you get you have season out of this guy of the maturity in what you're what's advertised that signed for me. Yeah. And I think also you could all you could lump Eljay Ford into that mix. Because again with snapped counts from last week, you had Morgan Burnett and Eljay for almost identical numbers in they came in and sub packages for Bostick and Williams and it worked at least it worked against Cleveland and it worked against Baker Mayfield. That does not mean that it's gonna work against every offense that they play. But if they continue with. That. And it does they do see success. Then that's tremendous as long as brunette can say healthy. I really liked that. That was really good thinking outside the box. I like that. Now for me, my player to watch is number nineteen in its juju. Smith Schuster when the ravens played the Steelers. I don't care who the defensive coordinator is wink Martindale is dean pees. It doesn't matter Rex Ryan. They always say the same thing we're going to take their best player and get we're gonna take them away. And that that that's Bill. Check thing. Everyone does that they try to and should I expect them to double triple team Antonio Brown? But this is this is where it's similar to defensively we're talking about TJ wad getting attention, but debris has to win his matchup. If in Tony LeBron's going to get that attention juju Smith shoes dress to win his matchup. Now Jews coming off a very mundane game last week. He wasn't targeted as much as he had been. Then again, he didn't have to throw the ball as much in this game jujubes misuse tourism guy can turn the tide. For the Steelers. He's at extra weapon that you can't always account for everyone in someone's going to burn you. That's the guy. It's going to be a game. Where Jude you can get paid her. I think that I'll tell you what I really liked the Steelers odds here, and we'll get to our predictions here in a second. But still player to watch Brian AB Mauri Burnett safety from the defense. I give you juju Smith Schuster from the offense. So let's go into fantasy football. Now switching gears again for those of you that are fantasy nuts out there. This advice is not necessarily for everyone. We understand it in traditional leagues. The majority of the players we tell you to start or said are probably not available but as daily fantasy football whether it's fans will draft kings wherever you play becomes more and more popular and prevalent, this is more of geared towards that style of fantasy football. So not going to my own horn. But I have one money in the last three or four weeks. I wanted all last week ever since I started ripping on you you've been on a roll. So I think you should share some buddy I have been I have bins. Anyways. We're going to give you one player to start one player to sit. Again, it could be from either team. I know last week. I said do not start Jarvis Landry. If. If you did. And you didn't listen to me you got screwed because he didn't do anything. So Brian let's start with who you want to start in fantasy football. Let you go. First. What player you starting in this matchup? All right. You know, this is a complete cop-out, but I'm going Justin Tucker here. And here's the reason she read time the Pittsburgh Steelers play this team outcomes, Justin Tucker, and he hits three or four. He doesn't miss against the Pittsburgh Steelers. You can be in like a hurricane you bring out number nine against the Steelers. He's gonna mail one from sixty if he gets the opportunity I hate him so much that I'm starting the love 'em. This guy is that good. And I've been trying to win money off of this guy. I don't mind playing him any chance I get in the leagues that I have. And I know how you mentioned Jeff that it might not be for you know, your regular weekly fantasy football. But I pay attention to these talks that we have here. And if. I put Jarvis Landry on my badge. The other day when I thought he was going to be a sure start. And so I thank you for that. Because now that I know you're the guru. I'm going to start listening to you. But so yeah, you know, what Justin Tucker you're going to get from ably. I would say you're going to north of tan, the probably get about twelve thirteen maybe fifteen points out of this guy. And when we talk about my prediction later on in the game. It's going to be a lot of field goals on the Baltimore side of the game. And if you think back to week four was that final score twenty six to fourteen. So it was fourteen nothing that all of a sudden nothing but field goals in the second half for that team. And that's how they put it away on the leg of Liga trot. Now, if you're a fan Commissioner like myself, I don't have kickers in my league. I don't feel like kickers are worthy of even owning a spot in fantasy football. So I put it in another flex player because that's more fun. That's more entertaining. But if you're in a traditional league, and you have Justin Tucker listened to that guy guess so anyway, you know, what you're right game. Handle too. Yeah. Other fans. Matchup. Right. But in my in my league that you're in. I don't have kickers but winning game winning kicks can get you more fifty plus yards. Get you more. He's got a big leg. I understand what you're saying. I I agree with you. I just in my league, it doesn't. The kickers. They're just caters. You're anti kicker, and we can't pretty much you have one job. Just go kick frigging. So you won't put Tucker like years from now you won't put him in the hall of fame. Behemoth that extra points now. You're interested in deserve fame. And you're not gonna miss he missed that kick again with the Vikings. Yeah, kick. Nope. Us get out. Okay. Let's go give you my player to watch. I could go do, but I'm not going to and I'm actually. I'm actually tempted to start this dealers defense because it would be really cheap in a Faneuil league in. I think they're going to come to play. I think they were embarrassed last time, I think they're healthier this time. But if I'm going to give you a lock I'm gonna go dig Ben because Ben Rothlisberger. He's a quarterback. That's for Fanta leagues. He's going to be probably third or fourth on your list. He does typically get you twenty points. And look if this is a game that goes south like the week four game. Did you have to remember that unless a quarterback is completely tanking? It's going to equate points. So I'm not saying this as a Steeler analyst. And that's Amos's his Steelers fan, I'm saying this is someone who's trying to give you fantasy football advice. And that's if this game turns into a shootout if this game gets out of hand in regards of ravens beating the Steelers that's going to help you from a fantasy standpoint. The biggest question Mark around rothlisburger is the interceptions. Interceptions can kill you and fantasy in he can be prone to throwing them. We all know that he's been pretty good as of late since early in the season issues. But I'm gonna say star Big Ben I think he has a good game. He's proven that on the big game. The big stage. He can step it up. He doesn't have a ton of experience believe tonight at MIT Bank because he's been hurt for a lot of those games. But he won their last year. I think that this is a game where he comes out of the offense. Peruse a little something. So I would say Ben Rothlisberger Brian. If there's a player you're saying avoid avoid do not start who you who you saying to sit this week. Well, Jeff you start James Connor every single week because I've watched your pretty much watched. You. I look I look at your lineup. But you know, I I love James Connor. And I really think he could have a good game this week. I'm just really worried about the seventeen yards in week four. I'm worried about how stout. They are in the front seven. I think it might it could end up into being that shootout that you just you just said that could be a possibility with Ben Rothlisberger. So I'm gonna go ahead and say don't rely too heavily on James Connor this week. I think his three game one hundred yard streak is going to be snapped. He could do. Well, he'd still get might stay out of the end zone. So I would just avoid him this week. I would I would say that. I see what you're saying. I wouldn't have him as your running back one option if you have money leftover and you can put him into a flex position. I think he's a perfect flex player for this week because I could see him not getting her guards rushing, but I could see him getting over one hundred. Yards complete with receiving and rushing. I think you'll hit pay dirt. Maybe once maybe he'll have a big game. Maybe they'll have goal line situations in he gets the ball. He is the goal line back for the Steelers after all. But I see what you're saying. I'm saying that you could find a spot for Connor. I probably will. Because I love starting James Connor he's turning into my favorite player his mind. Do I just love watching the guy play football? That's what I told Lance last night on our show. I said I can't tell you the last time that I've enjoyed watching someone play football as much as I do watching him play. It was the same Ben Rothlisberger. When he was young. I just love watching him play shake people off making plays his legs thrown on the Ron big arm. It was just fun to watch. And James Connor my gosh is he fun to watch. And he runs so hard never goes down. I don't want to turn into a fan. Boy authority. I already 'em James Connor jersey might be on order to say anyway. So I'm going to talk to you about that, by the way. Wait till you hear the women. I just ordered mobile. We'll get to that later. Okay. So my system. I'm going to say that if I'm gonna sit someone this week. The steelers. I want them Nelson being about the ravens to 'cause ravens. I'm gonna go ahead and say to. No one's gonna play. Joe flacco that's not going to say that I'm gonna say to sit in Tonio Brown, and a part of this is superstition because I believe I said that last week, correct? My right, Brian didn't I say that last week? I think he did. And he swore two touchdowns and he didn't have a ridiculous yardage receptions day. But he scored twice to say. Don't start Antonio Brown in your in Faneuil. That's a that's a big price tag. I mean, he's a nine thousand dollars to start. So don't start Antonio Brown. If I'm wrong awesome. I'm super pump that I'm wrong that at the same time. I don't think against the ravens his price tag matches the production. Maybe he'll get the end zone. Maybe he won't will see. I hope I'm wrong. But that's what I said. So let's recap. I said star Ben Rothlisberger. You said started. What was your Justin Tucker, Justin, Tucker? My God said kicker we've reached as we. Reached new lows on this show. You've collected a kicker. I said avoiding Tony around us it avoid Jane's Connor, and I gave people plenty of reasons to put James Connor in their lineup. So okay. All right. So let's get to prediction time. Let's go for other AFC north games. Cincinnati Bengals run a BI week. So we can't make fun of onto his Berbick dumbness joke. We can always make fun of onto his birth defect way. Making prediction three arrests. Well, pacman Jones isn't on the team anymore. So I'm not sure if that's going to maybe we'll start of one. Okay. Maybe we'll get a little Kyle the leda action going on. I don't know. If you've heard that story from up in New York that is weird anyways. So the the bangles on a BI week. And so you have the the poor Browns. It they play them. They gotta play the cheese. There's no chance in hell, right. Brian in my ride all the magic of Greg Williams. I'm telling you, I watched you know, I watched hard knocks. And and I was real. And I was wrong about the Hotan. Haley thing you were complementary. You're like, hey, you were right. When I knew you and said you Hugh Jackson got fired. But my big prediction was Todd. Haley was coming in. So I was wrong there. But who knows? Fired up. And that's a good defense. Could something crazy happen. I probably not. But you know, again, I'm not gonna make them. What I have. No. I have no ties to Vegas Browns win. There's the pick. Okay. There's no L. They have to now if you're all right? Okay. We'll rights forever. If interest goes away if you're wrong is just another day at the office. Okay. So. He's as the Browns. I'd take the chiefs in limb we have the Steelers and ravens so. Mt. Bank stadium. The house of horrors the ravens of loss to the Steelers won three in a row. What's your prediction? How do you see the game shaking out? You know, this is the Steelers. This is the true test this week to see if this role is for real. And I'm thinking it is for real I'm believing in this team this team believes in James Connor even though I twenty to sit 'em. They believe in want him to be team MVP. They want him to succeed. They are United as one. This is a very very close close group now, and I I really see them going forward and like they did last year in string of bunch together. You know because that that's not as daunting as a schedule. So if they can get through this game that can pretty much put the division aside until week seventeen which that might not even matter at that point. But you have a chance to basically. Stop the ravens right now. You can basically win the division over the ravens unless in the Bengals. But over the ravens this week with a win. You can knock them out. So I think they do it. A lot of field goals specially on the Baltimore side of the ball. But I'm looking at twenty four to nineteen. Okay. Nineteen. That's a rare number. That's very well. Seven plus twelve. Yeah. Maybe they, hey, Ben dome break defense as the Steelers model, I thought about this, Jeff, and I know it's I I found like so I gave my prediction last night on the other show. I'm trying to think I hope it's a right one. I do have a lot of predictions that I have to do on a weekly basis multiple platforms and stuff. I think that this game for the Steelers is one where the offense is going to be is going to reach a level of balance having equilibrium so to speak, and it's going to be kind of pick your poison game. I don't see this being a high scoring shootout. But I do think it is going to have that feel to it. I think the teams are going to be scoring the there's gonna be some big plays kicking game will be important boswell's been better. I don't know if we say he's good until he hasn't missed one. In a long time. I'm going to say Pittsburgh wins his game. I don't see the ravens sweeping the season series. I think there's so much on the line for the Steelers to like you said bury the ravens in the division standings. I'm gonna say Steelers win twenty seven to twenty three twenty seven to twenty three or four. Point margin. If you're a gambler, I'm saying take the Steelers in the points. No matter what because they're getting three. I'll take that any day of the week and twice on Sunday. So there you have it folks we both like the Pittsburgh Steelers to win Lance Williams last night pick the ravens to win. I want to say twenty four to twenty one. He's a hater. I'm not surprised. So there you go. Now, one of my favorite parts of the show. The very end of the show, we always open it up to people that are on YouTube live right now that are in our chat room, and we ask for questions, plain and simple, and we rapid fire answer them. We goes fast as we can was almost we can get through the answer will be fine. Are you ready Brian? I am ready. Okay. So Lance Williams, he's active in our Chad tonight. He says he has how will the Steelers get more pressure on flacco than they did. And we four go ahead. Brian just do it. I mean, just call the place. They didn't even do it last time. They didn't even send guys last time. So just trying to send somebody you'll get more pressure. I yeah, I think what you're trying to say is to blitz more effectively. That's not Keith others, NO and games. Like these. He's gonna say the same old crab on Thursday after practice when he talks to the media. We wanna get pressure with four. And that's what he always says. And I get that. If I'm the Steelers though, you do have to be creative. You do have to be very specific with how you attack this offense for crying out loud. Please for the love of God, do not blit safeties. Sean Davis is a great Blitzer trail. Edmonds has a lot to learn. He's a lot is oftentimes late. He ultimately can be. She left. He can leave the whole secondary hanging out to dry behind him blitz. Mike Hilton utilize him the way that I talked about in the key matchups in just really hope that some of the changes they've made on the defensive front with their one to gab schemes can open up players IT J watt, and bud Duprey to just get pressure. You mentioned it earlier Brian. It's tough to get the flacco repeatedly. He gets has quick release. You have to just pressure him. You have to hit him. Even if you're not getting sax on these games were quarterback hits. Or almost as important as sacks. Because it's going to get him off his Mark. He can get a little skittish in the pocket we've seen that his whole career. So that's what I would suggest. Okay. Let's go to the next question. So far this season is from Greg. So far this season who has been the most improved defensive in offense of player. Go ahead. Right. Well, you know what? On offense in though, it's very easy easy to say James, Connor. But he really didn't have the carries last year. So an offense. I want to go with Vance McDonald. Just for the fact that he's been healthy. He's been in there. He's doing so much more on the defensive side of the ball. I think. I'm still like in the fact that but debris has really put it together. So I'm only talked about him earlier. So I'm going to say, bud. His I don't wanna say he's turn the complete corner. But he's made some very good leaps. I'm going to go without one hundred Villanueva because I have been very. Skeptical. That's a good word. I think for this. I think I've been very skeptical. Villanueva's skill set against certain pass rushers. I watched a really cool breakdown on Twitter, but Brian Baldinger of the NFL network, formerly to formerly played for the Philadelphia Eagles kind of did a breakdown on him. I'm gonna put it in an article probably this weekend. And he talked by United six nine all pass rushers get underneath wave because he's just so big, but he's really improved on his in his craft, and that's a big kudos to both Mike munch hack as well as his ridiculous work ethic. You know, and everyone knows he's a military guy. And he knows what will hard work is. So I would say Alejandro Villanueva on the defensive side. I'm going to go with Sean Davis because Sean Davis not only has he had to switch positions. But he's done it. Well, this is a guy that a lot of people were Brady to berry because he didn't play well last year. Don't I don't be surprised if it was because the guy he was. Playing next to Mike Mitchell. So I think the John Davis for me on defense along with one hundred Villanueva on offense. Okay. Claude asked you think that this year's draft class is the is in the let's here I'm trying to read this correctly. Do you think this is one of the weakest draft classes the Steelers have had in the last two years? I'm still going with. Two thousand fifteen you know, I know you got but in that and not everybody's loving, bud. But number two was sent quest golsen number three Sammie Coates. And it was it was just an ugly draft class. I don't really think they got way too much out of that class. So I'm going to say, no, there's still some there's still some time for James Washington to get on the field and do something Terrell Edmonds is has been starting in. You've got a you've got a starter. Mason Rudolph you can go ahead and put him aside because it doesn't county gets an incomplete he wasn't expected to play in. If he is playing you don't you're disappointed if he's playing right now and number four cheuse Awo Ma it's been coming in playing tight end. He had you have not heard from him in a negative way as of yet. So that means he's been pretty effective. I don't know what snap count as been. But he's been getting in there, and he's been affected for them. Much in the way that you'll Chris Hubbard had been in the past for them. I mean, holy crap. Guys. Can we not try to judge these players midway through the rookie season? I mean, how can you say to Mason? Rudolph isn't any good? He hasn't even seen the field. And that's rightfully so. That was never the plan. Trouble. Edmonds is starting like you said James Washington, look, not every receiver is going to be juju Smith Schuster and have him a thousand are eating and their roof year. It's just not that way. But if James Washington in year two and three really starts to come on as a big impact player for this offense. You're not gonna look back as a crappy draft. So give these players time. Let them develop everything we've read about the players at Brian just mentioned is has been good has been good. So I'm not going to say this Dr classes week when they've only played in eight football games. So here you go read ass. Do you think the Marcus Gilbert's time with the Steelers is coming to an end? It seems like he's heard quite a bit. And we've seen that filer be solid. He's younger and cheaper. What do you think? I believe he was he signed two thousand fourteen. So I yeah. Well, could be coming to an end in Pittsburgh there that strength of an offensive line is starting to get longer in the tooth in. They're going to have to start really thinking about some higher draft picks to bring some guys in to help them out as they age out. But I think he, you know, looks like Ramon foster his time was probably coming to an end as well. I'm his his contract ends at the end of the year. That's why he was so emphatically about getting Levy on bell back in ear because he wants that parade. That was exact words once prayed. So they think he's going Marcus Gilbert, probably maybe one more year, but it's coming to a close. Yes. Yeah. I don't think that there's any need to they're not going to extend Gilbert or anything like that. They have you know, Gerald Hawkins who unfortunately had to go on injured reserve this year they were very high on him coming into the season. We talked about Chuck's core four. He's another player today draft today have in mad filer and they've drafted some ads and tackles that are capable. But I think most of them are typically swing tackles lash back of tackle guys. In speaking. Ramon foster don't be stunned. If this is a William gave Robert golden type situation a player towards the end of their career. They might wanna test the free agent maters, but they ultimately might realize that the grass isn't always greener, and they might sign a very team friendly to three year deal to stay with the team. You know, those deals are never completed. Most of them have a three year deal. It's really just for two. I wouldn't be shocked. Ramon foster is a Pittsburgh. I now. You know, he loves the Steelers, then I only heat sticking his money not saying that so tackle was going to be a position of need in the upcoming draft. But nonetheless, I think you'll be will play out his current deal. And then we'll see I just don't know at the time. I had when that expires because I know he signed that new contract. Okay. Ali asked you like the limited glances you've seen at the dollar defense. That's where they have seven defensive acts on the football field haven't run it too much, Brian nutter, if you've got a glimpse of it. You know, what I can't? I really can't answer that question. Truthfully. I have not noticed that. I'm not as big an echo guy as I am more of personnel. And just so I can't really do it. It's going to be honest. It's fine. It's been scarce. They have not been able to run it. Because Morgan Burnett has not been healthy. He is kind of one of those Lynch pin players for that defense. And so I wanna see more of a sample size before I give any type of judgement. It's really literally literally didn't hit or miss here there, and sometimes they're on for a play to and their golf, it just it's you just have to really be paying attention. You have to watch the games back. It's not always easy. So I wanna see a bigger sample size. All right question for Brandon. Do you think this this game will be much different at a much different game against ravens based on the last three at this year's have played. So do you think this game will be similar or do you think that this game will be a little bit different than the last three to this yours have one three words all the same? Yes. Yes. Yes. I agree. I agree. Let's see here. Severe question. A lot of predictions coming in. Kevin Colbert's his twenty seven Twenty-three. Steelers got got to trust the. GM? Alisa Steelers, thirty five fifteen Ron says dealers twenty seven Twenty-three Thomas thirty one twenty seven now a lotta by like all these picks. Phenomenal a here's a question from Kevin Colbert, the general manager, I would think that he'd be able to actually answer this himself, but he's turning to us for answers. The question was why don't the Steelers play. Jalen Samuels rookie from North Carolina State more. Go ahead, Brian. They're going to. And you saw glimpses of it last week Steven Ridley put himself on the pine with that fumble last week. They are, you know, just like that they're going to go to Samuel's. He had sixteen yards. Four carries averaged four that means he was us getting some good push. You'll probably see him more. And I would not be surprised in the next three or four weeks that he reaches the end zone. That's an interesting prediction. I'm not I wouldn't tag it that far, but he might start taking some of those number two running back reps away from Steven Ridley Tomlin does not like players that put the ball on the ground, especially backup players. He can tolerate fumbles from James Connor. He did it with avion bell. When lady on bell was in the lineup on occasion. But he's not going to. Tolerate from backup. So Jalen Samuels wants to get in the lineup and stay there. Protect the football kid. That's number one. Okay. Let's see here Thomas as Eljay fort the answer linebacker or is that still the team's number one need going into two thousand nineteen season. No. I don't really think. That's exactly the number one team linebacker is. But it could be on the outside. It could be an inch rusher. Pretty happy with the Bostick. He's getting a lot of tackles. He has had some signs of brilliance. So I don't think I think Eljay fort is definitely valuable on that team. He has surpassed dirty red dirty red is nothing, but a special teamer at this point. So that experiment. I think is over Eljay fort is definitely the number one backup there. I don't know if he's he's the answer is a starter. But he's going to get a lot of starts when these guys get injured. And Vince Williams has not been completely healthy this year. So I can see him rotating in a whole lot more. He's definitely good to have around. But I don't think they're they're completely kicking themselves for picking up Jon Bostick is he the answer. Now is he a solution to their sub package problems right now. Yes, L J Ford is athletic. He can cover. Her great covered sales, by the way for linebacker. But what he excels in coverage skills and speed inside the sideline to sideline play. He lacks in like stopping the run into. He's not that complete linebacker that they want on the inside of that defense. Jon Bostick to visit good against the run. Not very good in coverage. So Eljay Ford in Jon Bostick work well together in this symbiotic relationship where one plays in obvious passing downs. Seattle plays in obvious rushing downs. So I don't think foresee the answer I do think they'll be looking at inside linebacker coming up here in the draft. Because if you want Vince Williams to be your every down guy, and they gave him a new contract. He needs someone out like next to him. And I like John Kasich. I think he's played extremely well. But he's not the lead guy guided they need alongside Vince Williams. Okay. The next two questions that we have actually here's one from David. I forgot is this do or die for Artie Burs. Simple question. Yes. Yeah. No one to replace it. But. Yeah. I mean, I think he's gonna get his opportunities throughout the rest of the season. He got benched last week. I understand that. But I think he's gonna get some opportunities to continue to prove himself. Mike Tomlin is not quick to turn the page on a first round draft pick. So is it important. The heck yeah. Gosh, he's had his fifth year option conversation coming up. So yeah, it's important sees do or die. Maybe a little too early for that. I think he's going to continue to get chances. He's gotta just he just has to show up. I mean two thousand seventeen there were times where you're like dang. That's already burns that we wanna see. And then this year you're seeing a guy backpedal in the end zone. Just doesn't make much sense. So there you go. That's that's a it's an important time at turning point. We could call it for already Brazil the next question. I'm going to take the next two which were kind of about more about Morgan Burnett, and or trail Edmunds and kind of merging into one one of the questions was. About Morgan Burnett being back will they praying three safeties more in another woman is with Burnett coming back. Do we think that Edmunds will be playing a little bit more inside linebacker on sub packages Brian? If you're not an Xs, no guys, you don't have to try to answer this for go ahead. I can I can answer some of that. When he was drafted that was that was the point to go ahead and put him up as an inside linebacker in the sub packages. That's what exactly what Mike Tomlin said during the press conference in April when he was selected. So I think they want to get to that that point in if they have a healthy Morgan brunette, they can go ahead and do that. So yes, I think it's going to happen. Yeah. I I think it a question being reading Edmonds is going to play that position nil. I think that that's going to be like you said Morgan brunettes going to play that inside linebacker role. He did that in Green Bay. He has experienced in the slot. He's good at that. He's good against the run, very solid tackler PF. F says so so that means it's like gospel. So with that being said Edmonds, they don't want to put too much on his plate. They have MRs starter. He's getting a good relationship with Sean Davis in the back end. They don't want to move out of that position. Keeping their having learned his bod- wargin. Burnett is savvy enough or the word that Mike Tomlin used for Baker Mayfield last week that I love moxie. He's got good blocked the exit along which reminds me only varsity blues Jonathan Boxin in Jonathan Knox. And is like the total antithesis of having moxie funny that MTV when they put the movie together chose the name oxen. But whatever that's sleep. Vanderbeek total sidebar there. But yeah, I think we're gonna brunette will be playing that inside linebacker role. I think he's going to be a sub package player with Eljay fort like we talked about earlier. So there you have that they are questions. Really good questions. I really appreciate we have a very tight knit group of YouTube followers that are there every week. They always chime in. And they always say, hey, halo. Hello to everyone and stuff is really cool to watch. 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Beck In Black, Part 2: Steelers have tough decisions to make at receiver and cornerback

Behind the Steel Curtain

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Beck In Black, Part 2: Steelers have tough decisions to make at receiver and cornerback

"Once again, I am deputy editor Michael Back of behind the steel curtain dot com joined as always with Jeffrey Benedict Jeffrey. Breaking down the water series is fun but the flip side some guys that we saw enjoying themselves a little bit on social media today they the all got their their yellow smoke tinted visors going on they're all flexing. Having a good time is those defensive backs right off the top before even mentioned any of the names? Do you think this unit as a whole? This defensive back unit is the Strongest Position Group on the team. cornerback Yes yes. Cornerback I'd I think that's a yes we got four good ones and Justin Lane hopefully makes. Yeah and you know speaking of Justin. Lane. There's going to be some interesting some cap maneuvering going on in two thousand and twenty. One I if that cap drops to one, hundred, seventy, five, million dollars, which is Kinda. The the floor number that that's been floating around the steelers are going to be about seventeen million dollars in the hole and one of the names that could come up for being caught to kind of bring some that cap space back is one Mr Joe Haden a fan favourite. That would kill me to see because he is one of my favorite players and believe it or not I cheered for him when he was in Cleveland because he's just one of those guys you each year for he's a good dude. But. If he is a cab casualty is Justin Lane replacing him is he the guy that is stepping into that cornerback spot? Well I. Think. That's big. That's a big thing to watch is is how Justin lying place there if they start giving him chances and he plays well, dad is definitely a possibility that we could see. We can see, hey, move on. I think that's that's sealers. Do if you can replace somebody that cost enough money, then you're going to get that job. If they got they, they're gonNA cut who they who they can, and they're going to keep who they have to, which is, which is why budget pres on franchise. Tag. Yeah no kidding and end in that spotted already feels like they have his replacement in. Ties with. So it's definitely it's definitely something that they have done and if the cap does slide, it's a move that I think we need to be prepared for a little bit. Moving more into that quarterback talk and kind of the guys at tell might be floating around the practice squad or making the team for one in someone that thinks the steelers will take six corners if one co editor, Dave. Scofield's listening I. Think they're taking six corners and three safeties. He thinks he thinks taking four safeties and five corners but. That's kind of what I'm. I'm leading to a little bit here which might tip my hand when we talk about a little bit later but after beyond borders is cut to a reactivate justin lane onto the squad. There are about three names that are Kinda flirting with the practice squad being the last corner of the roster just being cut flat out those three names. Says Alexander Sorry if you're listening out there I. Apologize. James Pierre and train bandy it. Myself personally trade him bandy out of Miami He was kind of the the gold standard. I guess you could say of the undrafted free agent class the most hype guy and I do believe he is going to make that team. But I'm wondering what you're thinking how many guys this unit is GonNa take and are any of those three destined to make the team in any sense bunkering trains on Bandy? Was the Miami cornerback Theon Day John's he's one of the guys the Onta- Johnson absolutely torched. Those games he was part of phenomenal pass defense in him and guy who just got traded Michael Johnson. Michael. Jackson A. Detroit Yeah Yeah to new got absolutely destroyed by the Ontario Johnson I can make the team I mean the practice I think he makes the practice squad I just I just love the idea of him getting a shot at the Johnson in practice because that's That's still hurt. He had a play one of my favorite, the ONTA- Johnson clips. They, were trying to jam deontay Johnson and he went to put his his hands and just straight up jammed right in his chest and the Johnson grabbed his wrist in like like von Miller style pulled him through and just was six yards downfield while he's trying to get himself back like valance and it was it was the best thing. I've ever seen. Of course as quarterbacks were terrible. They threw the ball away didn't even look his way, but it was one of the great I saw that I was like Oh my goodness I. Love this kid. I just WanNa see I wanNA see him. I would love to see a camp where he is in there and he's battling with say Johnson and like. Mike Tomlin's calling that out to him. You know like something like Tom it'd be like remember. Drawing. Roy Do that to you again. Like I would love to see that I want him to make the practice squad mostly just for that. But that's that's my choice. That's. You know what I think those three and I'm leaning towards them taking six and if there is a six name at I, think it is Bandy as well but. I think it out of those three of anyone's making the team slash practice roster. It's him for sure and then after that, it's all the guys were making the team and one of the more interesting things just because stats wise doesn't Kinda workout the same I'm thinking more position battles here and when we're looking at Mike Hillman Cameron Sutton. There's an interesting dynamic here because both eels are expiring the team's probably only going to be able to afford one. What, what exactly would you do in this situation? Because in my in my opinion I think sons more that coverage guy he he's a little. He's still not afraid to step down on the run game but then Mike Helton's guy that that's that's setting the edge and. He does have his fault impasse, but he's been the incumbent and he's been doing it. For longer than. Sutton has. which way are you going between these two? For like keeping long-term. yes. Exactly. long-term. I'm probably going with Sutton. Just, because I think Hilton. is going to be more expensive. And I think Hilton they are they are working on replacing him. They are already bringing kind of guys that can be what he is. They've been looking for those guys but if they can't if they can't find them like of Antoine Brooks doesn't show up this season at all if they don't find anyone who can be. A solid in the run game from that nickel back physician. I think they almost have to keep my Tilton but but I I think they find a way to replace him I? Think you see cameras sutton stick around. Yeah. That's kind of what I'm leaning towards too and it comes out of the contract I'm also leaning towards Cameron Sudden potentially winning that spot that nicholls spot in camp. And moving into the season I'm sure could bounce around between them throughout the year just kind of playing who the the hot hand is but. When it comes to this year, WHO's The guy? I think I, think the problem with cameras lot in in that job is that nickel position? Is a big time blitzer in this defense that is a big time blitzer in our defense and Hilton as. A Blitzer Hilton Durham Plays Hilton will take on offense linemen and he will he will I mean he's not winning the battle. It's not like buddy preaches putting one harm in the guy's chest and driving backwards but it will help fight with them and he will make plays in the run game based off his ability to just crash into offensive lineman hard enough to kind of neutralize their advantage in size he is incredible that way Tomlin loves that and his players we all know Tomlin loves little guys that hit. And he is a little guy who hits hard and he a good blitzer and he's like number one in sacks from defensive back over the last. So many seasons or so he's he's a, he's either one or two. He he's top notch there. He's underrated and coverage. What you don't want is him. Covering good. Deep Threats D. That what you don't want if you've got a guy who's not a great deep threatens going deep Elton can stay with him but if they put a deep threat in there at the slot and you're asking Hilton to run with him. That's not a good situation. That's him at pretty much worst if he's blessing if he's covering short if Hilton's a little off of you and you try and run a five yard out route of quarterbacks. It's gone. He's taken it like he's that guy he can break forward. He can just he he has great burst. And he knows that position and he is a phenomenal both in the run game and is a blitzer he has a lot of value there. Cameron Sutton does not have that. So. Like I as a as a cornerback looking at someone I would say, okay you know seasonal since missing a game when someone's slide outside or you put my Tilton or game talk out there. That's an easy choice that's cameron side. So. I honestly think. There's a possibility. Say Justin. Lane. Isn't quite where we wanted to be that you could see Joe Haden to cut and Cameron Sutton move outside. I think you could see that situation happen. More than him taking over nickel full-time because he is not a blitzer. They don't like last year. They blitzed every single corner back at least once. But Cameron Sutton and Steven Nelson. Those are the only two defensive backs all they blitzed mango they blitzed trautmann's they blitzed Joe Haden. Those guys they never blitzed. Steven Nelson. They never blitz cameras on. That no, and that is really interesting and a huge factor and exactly why Mike probably is in the spot. But I'll tell you why I won't be mad of CAM sudden. Wanted it 'cause I I'm super petty and apparently Mike Helton's too. I was having a nice little twitter conversation with a friend just kind of talking about the spot. Didn't tag any butter nothing we're talking about Mike Hilton Camp Sutton. And my friend said Oh my kiln is the most talented unquestioned and my response was something along the lines of you'd be surprised and someone search their own name on twitter read Mike Thread, and then like my tweet the one negative thing I ever say and then scurries away and I don't think. That's so rude. Michael at least read the story where I'm positive about you the whole time off the top but. So I think by Hilton is a guy though everything you hear him say when you hear Tomlin talk to him, it's always like might say you can't play. Might they're saying you can't cover. Might they're saying you're too small to play you can't hit people like I think he feeds off that I have no doubt. The he goes around looks for those posts probably liked it. So he could find it again and be like I'm reading all the posts they say stuff I don't like so I can just get me mad and I can go out there and practice of energized I I would not put my Hilton. Exactly back. As soon as this is off, I'm going to page and I'm scrolling down at I bet you all all those like tweets are just like, oh, he's a bomb. This guy sucks that. You know that wouldn't surprise me I love Mike Helton I. Absolutely. Love Him I. Just it's going to be hard. For us to keep, people. Like that's why I love this season. Because Cameras, we've heard people there's people have been saying you know we could trade somebody for graphics. We could create a cornerback I think back to that that two thousand, ten season and the Super Bowl against. Green Bay sorry for bringing this up everybody. Put you know put. On if you need to In the Super Bowl Week Jordy Nelson was their fourth receiver. Like Jordi freaking Nelson. Young just starting to break out, he's their number for a guy, the steelers dying cornerback was Anthony Madison special teamer and he was covering Jordy Nelson and he'd beat him all day. Like Jordy Nelson was open all day we had that great defense, but it didn't matter because their fourth wide receiver Jordy Nelson and our fourth cornerback was Anthony Madison and this team I as I love the team right now in the depth at both cornerback and wide receiver because if we went into a situation like that and we're facing a team that has that kind of great depth Wide Receiver Arbor for quarterback is Cameron The. attack. In their you talking my children, you attacking Cameron. We're okay with that we can live with those guys and safety is backing them up we we can live with that. and. Our number four cornerback art over four wide receiver is going to be chased Klay Pooer? James. Washington. Mike. I'll take that as well. You you want put like your worst corner one on one. With James Washington we can choke. Ballsy. We saw the Denzel. Wart. Like we'll take that all day. That's why that's why these two positions I absolutely love our depth and I hope we get some guys developed because man haven't four deep is is such a benefit at such a big deal. Yeah no kidding and you know what? Before we we finish with the kind of our top duo here. I'm just talking about those free agents and something's bound to happen with the NFL with the CAP 'cause there's no way they're just going to allow all these these veteran players just going unsigned like something has to happen especially if you're a team like the saints who seventy million dollars projected over the cap next year. They they gotTA. Clean House. If that's what happens and then there's not a whole whole lot of teams that have money the colts somehow still have I believe seventy, million the patriots have sixty which scares me because I feel like that would be that's the ballot check that's game is get Trevor Lawrence this year and then sign every single veteran to a five million dollar deals. Every other team doesn't have five million dollars. That's my nightmare but I feel like something's balance happen here but. What do you think? Are they just going to say you know what? Like this this balancing year every teams just GonNa take a huge hit. I think through I in their the negotiate for next year just goes because you don't want to agree to something then have like this season with no fans and half of it gets canceled and you get a bunch of TV revenue and you've already agreed to more money when you don't want to I think the owners are more likely giving themselves leeway I don't think the owners are gonna WanNa Lower Cap. I. Think they look and say, okay, we can recoup this. We're GONNA get this money back. Then they'll be fine I mean we we've got extra playoff games this year I know teams are losing ticket revenue. But that's not a big. Deal. That's not national TV contract money. They're not losing that kind of money. So as long as they're able to play games, put him on television. They're they're going to have a good cop situation and if we're back to normal next year at its next year. Twenty twenty one season, we're able to have full fans in the stands everything I. Think you see. The NFL say you know what we'll just we'll carry the cap we'll carry straight over or maybe take like a minimal amount because those owners are not if you're talking about owners. Have the teams. They're not going to want that. They know how many owners are GonNa say yeah you know what? I'll cut half the roster that sounds fine. You know the steelers would be like, I will cut Ben. Yeah, we're good. We're good. Now we're good but we haven't been rothlisberger. Bruny's isn't going to agree to that. They're going to be like, no you know what will spread those offers out. We're good. We're good. Yeah Yeah I totally agree with that I it's funny the the League in the Great White North up here there there is something that the season isn't played. It's possible at every single contract becomes void up here, and then every every player in the CFL. Just become a free agent. So that's the kind of chaos that. So we're that we might be dealing within in the three down game appear, but thankfully I don't think that the NFL would ever come to that. But I don't think so either. Moving into our last you because. I'm starting to sweat already at the the sheer thought of that is Joe Haden and Steven Nelson getting back into our quarterback talk. Are they the a top five duo amongst corners in the NFL? Are they that good because my test I I would say they were. I think so I think they're top five. I don't think they're one of the. Top. They fit our system well. I. There was a number out there saying like, Joe, Hayden gave up some of the fewest like d prescriptions twenty three yards. Yeah. Well there were deep receptions is just Past him like he passed off to someone else if he's not covering people deep. Yeah. He's not giving up deep receptions. So we saw that some he's good. Joe Hayden is still really don't get me wrong. I've done a huge Joe Haden fan mostly because he's that guy who isn't as fast as you used to be. Quite as dynamic as it used to be, but he's still gets it done because he has that old man savvy that kind of like I know how to cheat better than you do and get away with it like I get little holes I elbows in there where you know getting called for it because I know how to do it. I've been around long enough I know how to do it. You get those big fast, freakish wide receivers like a Josh Gordon on him and they don't do anything is even though they're bigger and faster than they can't get past that. My Love Joe Haden. I like where he hasn't like the dynamic they had with him in Edmonds. Edmonds can get better at deep balls and Joe Haden. can gamble a little less than that. I think that those two will be really good. Over there on that side. Steven Nelson. Is Opinion He is a Dick Lebeau cornerback only as an old school Dick Lebeau quarterback. Get Past Steven Nelson. He does not give up deep balls. He's phenomenal on deep passes, how you be Steven Nelson is underneath. And we have that salt I like he plays over there might Hilton's there. Like when they when they do trips on his side, they just let him take the receiver they do pattern matching. They'll do things where make patrick crashes underneath and Nelson covers deep. There's all kinds of ways they use him that. He really fits. I like Nelson Nelson is a really good receiver. He's not. By opinion elite because you kind of need us him to his strengths. Or for him to be really good. But when you do and we do because we can he is phenomenal and so he's going to be great for us. already basically said it but Steven Nelson did basically say in a press conference this week that check the stats when it comes to comparing him to guys like Stefan Gilmore trae White Jalen Ramsey. Statistically. He's right there if someone that should be in that kind of category and seen as one of the top corners and football or is that more skiing based like you said? I think all the top court anyone putting up those numbers at scheme. Is Involved. You're not. You're not stopping receivers in the NFL like that unless you have help. It's just the way the offense is geared either didn't say like you're Steven Nelson interface anybody. But. If you're ever week one, Juju Smith Schuster was was beaten up on Steven. Nelson. Stephen? Gilmore. All Day he was getting yards on Stephen. Gilmore. The seeming Gilmore face other quarterbacks even face good quarterback seeing face a lot of good receivers. They could do it. They could they could do pretty good against him and he faced a couple of guys that put up good numbers on him, and that's it. Because most of the time you enough face much of anybody. Yeah. No kidding and then. Flipping back over to Joe. Haden. Let's just forget about the cap space. Do you think he could sign another deal is he is he still good enough to? Last year. You can he continue to to put up that pace play that level or this? Or I guess was twenty nineteen hit his his plateau I guess the end of his great run is there more left in the tank for one Joe Haden. I think so I think especially. When we're able to use him again to his strengths where he's covering more routes where he's what he's deep, he's in deep zone. When he has ability to pass off, you know if he knows I'm passing underneath route to somebody else or he knows I'm passing off the deep route to somebody else and I have to cover short. Had to cover this area have to cover this guy in man he's phenomenal. He's he's not a guy who's going to be caught off guard and recovery anymore. He's not that guy I think he can still do it. He's doing it with smarts. He's doing it with knowledge and experience in the past he was jumping last year. He's telling there's game he's in Arizona he told her L. Edmonds Hey if they throw that if they're lined up like this. They're running out again and I'm jumping it just be be aware and you can see it that he ran up jumped the slot receiver ran out route and trial Evans was suddenly like okay I'm deep. In deep, but the Laurie and Joe Haden made an interception was phenomenal as long as he can do that, he's going to have a place. In the NFL and I, thank the way he's playing. Now you could see a move to safety or a move into a slot receiver role. If he needs to I think he's got more years I think he's got more years I think he's got at least this year maybe another year or two left where he's still a top top cornerback. You know what? He's played a decade, the NFL so far. He's been one of the top corners over that stretch, which is insane. Think about when he's just thirty one years old but I do agree with you that he has some years left in him. I would love to stay and chat about this all night. This has been a really fun Combo both on the receiver and cornerback side, but we are getting to the top the hour. So Jeffrey before we get out, is there anything you WANNA play that's going on with the site or just? In general, you tomorrow my film room, I'm putting a film room out tomorrow talking about the steelers and the Ravens basically breaking down the defense exactly how we struggled against the Ravens offense and My opinion is that this year I think the steelers in great position to sweep the Ravens and take back the AFC north no matter how good they are against other teams. We have solutions for. Them. Just Covering, what caused? What causes us to fail even with the offense as bad as it was last year, we were in those games and. Like like it was the defense doing it, and if we can cut a few things out be better in a few areas. Where we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA destroy that team told. To hear Jeffrey thank you so much a fun evening looking forward to doing it again next week. Iran are end up before I sign off your guys make sure hidden hitting up that Juju signed Jersey giveaway, facebook, instagram twitter you have three opportunities to get in on this. 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Yeah, I said it: Steven Nelson had and elite season, but is he better than Joe Haden?

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Yeah, I said it: Steven Nelson had and elite season, but is he better than Joe Haden?

"Welcome back listeners to another episode of Yeah I, said it, and you're checking out the program on June. Nineteenth twenty twenty before we jump into the program WanNa, give a big shout outs in the Intro I wanNA say a happy June teams for everybody out there who celebrates June eighteenth, secondly I, WanNa, give a big shot out to all the DADS out there happy father's Day to steelers nation. Big Up to all. All the DADS who will be celebrating Father's Day this Sunday? Big Up to all of you and particularly big shot to all the DADS for introducing everybody to steeler football. It's always been a joy to watch football games with my dad so I. WanNa send a shout out to my dad Frederick Bryant. Thank you for instilling the love steeler football into me and big up to all the DADS in steeler nation. 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If you'd like to do that big up to John Trent. What's up to you? My boy big up to everybody that wish me a happy fiftieth birthday. This is my first show as A. registered. middle-aged Dude, where do can apply and get in AARP AARP. Card believes because I'm in my fifties now, and that feels kind of weird, saying but big up to all of you. That wished me a happy birthday also WANNA give a big shoutout. To. Mark Kabali of the athletic who provide a lot of the stats for this program ambig- up to behind the curtains on Jeffrey benefit for providing some of the stats for this show as well so the name of this show is yeah, I, said it Steven Nelson had an elite season. But is he better? Than Joe Haden. Let me say that again. Steven Nelson had an elite season, but he's he better than Joe Haden. Now I want to break this down in a couple of ways. First thing I wanna do I wanNA. Prove that Steven. Nelson had an elite year. After that I wanna do a comparison, of Nelson, Verses Hayden. I WanNa do that two ways. Some of the stats that Marco Bali combined in his article on the athletic big up to the BOM CA boom. It's been a long time friend of the program. Also I wanNA compare Nelson, Hayden with the information that Jeffrey Benedict provided. I want to answer who is better in my opinion and last, but not least I want to tackle the question of who is the best tandem. Starting tandem of corners in the AFC I think it's only between the steelers and Ravens so I'm going to limit the conversation there. Thank you for the Super Chat. Let me jump in and thank you snowman for the birthday wishes, thank you for the five dollar. Super Chat which is appropriate because that is fifty. Thank you it's fifty times ten so hopefully. I will make it to five hundred, and hopefully I will be doing programs when I'm five hundred years of age watching the steelers, and hopefully by then the steelers will have fifty. Super Bowl. Championships now let me post this to the screen. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa get to your question bears, but I wanted to hold it there. Because, you might be jumping the gun a little bit, let me jump into the first part of it. I WANNA prove that, Nelson. Steven Nelson had elite year now. What could boom did and I thought it was outstanding boom. What he did was he created? A statistical spreadsheet. Of Corners. Who made all pro? And the corner who made the pro bowl? He did it and he did a based on a variety of metrics, and as I pulled up. I think it's a good. It's a good way to set a comparison of Steven. Ellison, an Hayden to how these elite corners performed over the course of the year now, the corners in his list are Stefan. Gilmore introduces white. WHO THE ALL PRO CORNERS! The pro bowl corners in which they were included as well were Stephen Gilmore Davis White Richard Sherman Marcus Peters Marlon, Humphrey Marshon lattimore. Darius slay in Jalen Ramsey and he broke it down to a variety of statistics he he looked at their snaps their targets. The number of times they were targeted the receptions yards td's. They gave and interceptions. I took those and I created some metrics of my own some percentages to kind of break those Dow. Now. When you look at snaps, all of those corners are pretty much have played. A significant amount of snaps over eight hundred snaps except for Jalen. Ramsey who played the fewest amount snaps at seven eighty one. You look at Steven. Nelson. He played the second most naps only the Joe Haden. He played one thousand intense snaps now if you look at the targets and targets are significant, because just logically you WANNA. Find the Candy Bar in the Candy Bar I'd I defined as the easy sweet target. WHO's the Candy Bar of your corners? What corner do you want to target the most and typically the candy ball or Is the corner that gets the most targets now you look at this elite of corners in the best in my opinion of these corners was to find Gilmore who I believe one the NFL player of the year. Steven Nelson was targeted seventy times to Joe. Haines eighty two Stefan Gilmore was targeted seventy one time. Today is white ninety five. Richard Sherman seventy one peters Humphry. Lattimore Darius slay in Jalen Ramsey. Were all targeted around roughly the same amount the corner they've got the most targets with credits white with ninety five followed by Darius slay with ninety three Peters Humphry lattimore were in the high eighties, so what that suggests is. You don't want to target the guy that isn't the candy bar and on this list. When you look at these elite corners, all pros in pro bowlers Steven. Nelson was second so Steven Nelson was not targeted, so he was not the candy bar between him and Hayden Hayden was targeted. Ten more is, but that's not really significant in my opinion when you play over a thousand snaps the next statistic that. Kabul came up with was receptions. He looked at the reception that they gave up with their targets. Steven Nelson gave up thirty seven Joe. Haden, forty four to five, Gilmore forty nine. Davis White Fifty Sherman Forty Four Peters fifty two humphry fifty, one. Sean lattimore forty four Darius, slay fifty, two and Jalen Ramsey forty four one I'm going to do after the program in the comments, I will list this link. Share this link, so you guys can take a look at the spreadsheet now. A better way to look at this would be kept percentage and what I did to come up with a simple catch. Percentage number was I divided the number receptions. Simply by the targets, and when you look catch, perception or excuse me, catch percentage Steven Nelson ranks favorably, and in fact, Stephen Nelson's catch. Percentage is the lowest at fifty one point four percent of all of those cores. So you're talking about. He was better in Hayden Gilmore White Sherman Peters. Humphry Lattimore sleigh an Ramsey. Joe Haden was third in that list. Intraday is white. Was was was second in that list, so he was better than all of these corners. The next attested that we looked up or caboose. Look, that was yards, and he did that to get a sense of the yards per catch that they gave up now in terms of Steven Nelson. He gave before ninety one hating forty seven Gilmore eight hundred eleven. Today's white, six, six, Sherman, three, eighty, nine Peter's five ninety seven Humphry. Four hundred forty lattimore six, hundred, Twelve Darius slay six, ninety four Jalen, Ramsey, five hundred and forty nine, so he ranks favourably just in terms of yards. When you look at the snaps, they played the targets in receptions. You're starting to get a sense that he had elite statistics now in terms of yards per catch, he only gave up thirteen point three yards per catch. That was better than Stefan. Gilmore and I hope you guys are noticing that in terms of targets. He was targeted about the same as define. Gilmore played probably seven hundred. You'll probably about sixty five more snaps, so he played more snaps than Gilmore. He was. The same as Gilmore. He gave a less catches than Gilmore. He gave up less yards than Gilmore eight eleven of four ninety one. And it's catch. Percentage was better than Gilmore's, and has yards per catch was better than Gilmore's. So what I'm trying to tell you is that Steven Nelson and we don't even have to look at the other guys for the remaining numbers Steven Nelson had elite season. You're talking about touchdowns. So, so let me go back to yards per catch. Stefan Gilmore gave up sixteen point six yards per catch to Stephen Nelson's thirteen. Just think about it in terms of a first down. Imagine. How much different offense of football would be if you had to get seven yards to get a first down as opposed to ten? That's the significance of three yard difference in yards per catch. It is huge when you're looking at first downs being ten yards. So in every metric that I've discussed so far. Steven Nelson ranks favorably. What's the Fun Gilmore? The other statistic that is key is both of them did not give up a touchdown now. Steven Nelson did give up a bit play to Odell Beckham Junior in Cleveland game. There was a penalty on the one yard. It would have been a touchdown, but there was a penalty, and so they had to run the snap from the one, so people were saying he gave a touchdown, but he didn't score, so he did not give up a touchdown. So you're talking about their even touchdowns. He's better in every other statistic where the differences was defined Gilmore in Steven. Nelson is interceptions Stefan defined. Gilmore had six picks and he probably dropped another three. And so when you look at the number of interceptions, daddy gap her target. He got an interception every time every twelve times. He was targeted, so I think what this says is when you look at Stephen Nelson's numbers. Steven Nelson had an elite year, so I think when you look at the first point that I'm trying to prove did Nelson have an elite year. Yes, he did because when you match up. His numbers was to find Gilmore. They're better almost across the board. The difference meaning the difference really was only interceptions, not a second thing that I wanNA do. Is Compare Nelson to Hayden. When you look at their snaps? The difference in snaps is forty. Five snaps now. Forty five snaps is significant. forty-five snaps is almost. I would say three quarters of a game. So forty-five snaps is significant however. In terms of targets, Hayden was targeted ten more times I. Don't know if that's significant enough to suggest that team start hating was the candy bar or not in terms of receptions that they gave up. Hayden gave a forty four receptions to Nelson's thirty seven. Nelson gave a four hundred ninety one yards to hate four, hundred, eighty, seven, the big difference in assistance between the two is Joe. Hayden gave four touchdowns to Nelson zero and Nelson had one interception to hate and five interceptions when you look at their catch percentage. It's roughly the same Nelson or opponents caught the ball fifty one point, four percent of the time against Nelson to Joe Eight fifty three point seven yards per catch. Nelson's was higher thirteen point three to eleven point one so the difference when you look at these two guys, numbers in terms of statistically it is. Hayden gave up four touchdowns. And had five interceptions, the question that I asked to you guys in the live chat is. Is that significant enough to differentiate those two now let me get to various question various. Let's question jumping straight to the question I. Don't think he's better than hating as far as taking the ball away, but Nelson's coverage skills are way better, and that's a great question that I wanNA post to you guys is. Would you rather your corner? Give up a couple of touchdown so if you give up four touchdowns over the course of a thousand snaps. Right you know you're giving up a touchdown every twenty times you're targeted, you know only giving up four touchdowns in the course of a sixteen game season is very good. Is that enough to offset. The fact that the other corner? Doesn't get any interceptions in Hayden gets five the five interceptions two five times that you give your offense. An additional five possessions offset the fact that you gave up to four touchdowns. I want to get back to that later in the program to see what you guys think now let me jump into Jeffrey Benedict's email and I think Jeffrey's email was fantastic when you look at Hayden as compared to Steven Nelson and tried to answer this question as to WHO's better. Now, he wrote the following in terms of playing towards hate inside Hayden site was targeted one hundred and seventy nine yard. Excuse me hundred seventy nine times, yards per yards per target, six yards, nine, hundred, ninety, two Nelson side, a hundred and forty, one hundred eighty four targets, the six point, seven yards per target, seventeen, seventeen to interception. Jeff made the statement. I'll take the TD to interception ratio on Hayden side especially because we know, he was the key guy in six of them, his and the one tip the MINKA. So that's the question when you're talking about who's better is interceptions two touchdown ratio. You know it's tough because I mean if you're not giving up touchdowns, you're not scoring. In in the goal of the game is to keep the opponent from scoring, but You feel only give a four touchdowns at almost a thousand fifty snaps. Dare I say it's Kinda negligible. Let me give you another stat. Jeffrey jumped into. He said that Nelson was targeted less. Twelve percent of the coverage snaps compared to Hayden's fourteen point. Three `having gave up five td's Nelson zero, but Nelson had one interception to Hanes five which we talked about. That's the big argument for Nelson. No TD's and one reason for that is Nelson, was in my opinion, the more responsible red zone defender Hayden Gamble more and gap burned fort, and that's what we're talking about here. You know we're talking about. Would you rather a guy be more sure? Not Gamble not give up touchdowns and force field, goals or guy to give up a fewer scores and get more interceptions in intern. Get more possessions for your off. It's for me. I'm leaning on the touchdown passes. I! Don't if my corner can give a fewer touchdown passes, and it's close in a close argument between the two. I think that's enough to tip it in one particular way, but I don't want to give you my thought as to who I think is the better player between the two. Let me jump into the super chap from Dave Shipley Dave said having Meka behind your edmonds behind you Hayden. Step to the plate. Who would you want having your back I? Mean that's an easy question to answer. You know I think. You want Minka behind. You want Meka having your back, but Jason Medley brought up. A great point are getting the extra possessions worth giving up the touch now see I think at some point. You have to have a break point, right? You can't give like you can't give up maybe seven eight nine ten touchdowns and get five interceptions like the ratio. Of Giving touchdowns two interceptions, I think should tip on more so on the interception size. So if you're GONNA give up four touchdowns. Maybe you should have eight interceptions to make it seem a little bit better. Let me jump back into the email that Jeffrey had now he said in terms of pass breaks up pass breakups. Excuse me Hayden has a good advantage getting his. His hands on fourteen point, one percent of the targets to Nelson's eleven point three. If you look at pass, interference Nelson shows his weakness at breaking up pass with three Pi calls in seven breakup. He had a four point. He had a point four two nine pass interference per break-up where hating had a two point seven three pass interference break. I think that's significant there. Because we how if you get a Pi? How much that helps you score however? Maybe Nelson is making up for it because he's so good as a corner in the reds now now Jeffrey last, but not least said in terms of film wise, he said Aden was a beast on short routes Nelson was barely even defending short routes. If you go back twenty eighteen when Hayden was playing off more and not taking chances to get in tea's like he did in twenty nineteen. His numbers are similar to Nelson's. Basically, Hatan was very valuable last season playing aggressively in gambling to get. Get. Interceptions Nelson was vulnerable all season two in and out cuts. Hey was much better on those. When Hayden was asked to be primarily a deep defender, he was almost as good as Nelson in twenty nineteen, so while Nelson gets the edge in defending deep routes and being more responsible in the Red Zone Hayden had a big advantage and run support in defending underneath routes Jeff, said I value hanes ability to gamble and run support more than Nelson's reds on advantage so I side with Hayden. And that's where it is. It's a potato potato. It's either either it's a neither neither choosing. Pick your poison and I. Asked this question to the live chat. Do you value hanes ability to gamble and run support the Nelson's red zone advantage. Ultimately your force guys kick field goals in the red zone. You don't WanNa get interceptions now. That's that's a tough one as I read it. I I sorta would favor the corner that plays better in the red zone and last, but not least Jeff said, and while Nelson didn't give up a td that's because of the ob Jay and although that's that's the OB J. issue. He said Hayden can do more. He's more versatile and I value that so, what are you guys value more, you know before I. Give my call in terms of who I think is the better player of the two you know. What do you value more? Do you value the more shore defender in the Red Zone? The guy that is keeping guys out of the scoreboard. In off the score. Who Do you value young boy to a one set? Hayden Better Nelson Yeah. I said it. Vodka drinker said I would like a mixture of both like we got rolling right now, and that's the thing and when you look at these numbers. Let me give you these numbers again and and here's the thing that I think shows up, is that? These two. Are Very are their numbers are very similar and what that gives you is and I. Don't know if you guys are into hip hop I. Don't know if you remember positive K. Pas que did show did a song back in the day called a good combination. The milk in the gets a good combination. Non just channeling my inner hip hop, but you're talking about two corners that played about twenty one hundred snaps. They only gave up in twenty one hundred snaps. They gave up. Eighty one catches. Eighty one catches. And two over two thousand snaps. They gave up eighty one catches and four touchdowns. You know what that's called. A, good combination to the milk in the gives a good combination and so Samuel, but they big up sanders. I Love I love the coochie sweater. Koji sweater in the back, no shaky big up to Samuel, but with the shaky he said exactly true indeed, Nelson didn't get much love. I really was looking at Nelson while everyone else was talking about everyone beside him, Nelson play fantastic and I. Think what you see is that the steelers have a great combination of cornerbacks which means in a passing league. Your defense is going to be appreciably better when you have corners playing at that level with an all pro. At. Free Safety and Mingka Fitzpatrick now. Dave Shipley asked in big up today. Thank you for the Super. Chat Water Nelson stats before Minka. I'll I'll look at that and see I I'll look at that because there is a pre minka effect I I'm suggesting I think. Dave might be suggested. Maybe MINGKA's impact helped Nelson before. Not before or or much more than they did Joe Haden, but before I get into who I'm going to say, who is better again? I want to say a pause. Take a pause and wish a happy June team to all of you and a happy father's Day to all of you as well. Let me jump into the Oracle Dave Scofield's the editor of behind the curtain. Let me jump into his Common Hayden benefited more from MINKA. have him have him gave him the opportunity to take chances look at the Arizona game. A good point. That's a good point and. You know when you look at Jeffrey's and you hit listened to Jeffrey's comments, you know. Maybe that's how they set up. The defense wanted to take more chances a one to be Kinda just the glow just to cover in. Keep it all together Sorta like the safety combinations. You know Chris Hoping Troy, Paulo Malo Ryan, Clark and Troy Paulo Malu. How one of the safeties these could not gamble to allow troy to gamble, and you just had to play a safer type of football. I mean one difference I see with Joe Haden and Nelson is Joe Haden I. Think has trouble with speed. And I think Joe. Hayden is more of a boundary corner, but that's not. That's not a problem. I think Nelson is more of a field corner. Then then Joe Hayden is I. Think when you look at all the corners on a steelers, if I were to rank them. I would rank as follows ENISA teasers. Who I think is the best because of me and Dave talked about this before I. Did this show I think because Joe Haden has a better player for longer and has done it more consistently. I liked the versatility of Joe Hayden as well and so I would say the Joe. Hayden is the better player if we're having this conversation next year, and Steven Nelson puts up a similar season that he did last year, and you mix in a couple of more interceptions, so as interception total with those coverage numbers are up to five that I think Steven Nelson is a better player when you factor in ages well, but I think right now. Joe, Haden, the better player. I think they're very close. I don't think there's much difference between either of the two players. Let me jump back into the live chat. And see in read some of the comments that you had N I N G Ingong for you said interceptions can change momentum of the game. You're correct. Interceptions are important, but forcing teams to kick field goals in the red zone impact, the game as well vodka drinker said I like the corner that can keep running his mouth in a wide receivers ear, even when he gets, beat keeps talking that smack into the next play to get the guy's head I dislike corners that make plays and can play and don't get beat I. don't care if you're talking. As Rainier mindset to the football, God's please give Terrell Edmonds a pro bowl season. I. Don't know, but but let me back up a little bit before I give you. My rankings of the STEELERS CORNERBACKS NOT DVD's entirely. He's playing his position. He is playing his role. He is playing the support role. He's more of a strong safety. He's playing the support role if he tracked the ball better in the air, you guys were forget everything. He tackles well. He's a solid coverage guy. He just needs to track the ball. Better I, think Edmonds is contribution to the defense is down because he does not make splashy plays, but guess what they don't give a lot of big stuff. The combination of him makers gets Patrick they don't give it. Give up a ton of big plays and he tends to be. Where in space is that he is supposed to be. roberts acids says are corners would have sucked without makeup behind him I'm not so sure I mean I'm not so sure I mean I. WanNa one coverage I mean you know if makers plan covered three your cover one? He can't both corners, so you know somebody's playing well, give the corners their credit like I said I mean you're talking about over twenty five hundred snaps not only gave four touchdowns. To let me say that again. Almost twenty five hundred schnaps do math ten, ten plus ten fifty five. That's two thousand sixty five snaps. They gave up four touchdowns. You do percentages in the live chat. I'll take that one hundred percent of time. Let me scroll down more in the live chat to see if you guys have any thoughts, so let me pose this question to you guys and just give me your answer, just type the name in the live chat. Who is the better corner, Steven, Nelson or Joe? Haden now in terms of the ranking of the cornerbacks hating one. Steve Nelson too. I'M GONNA GO CAM Sutton. Three and I'm going to go Mike Hilton Four. I'm not even just laying those guys. You know. They don't really play I. Think the weak link at the quarterback position is Mike Hilton when you watch. Mike Hill known film? Mike Hilton getting toasted all the time. Like some roasted almonds, his nickname, she'd be roasted almonds. He's okay and coverage. He's a box player more. He's better as edge rusher with cat blitzes, you know. You know I sutton to me will be the guy who will be the nickel player moving forward. I think Sutton's veteran coverage. Absolutely veteran coverage is a better player in my opinion so I would rank them as follows hating one Nelson to sutton three. Hilton for and everybody else is to be determined before I jump into the last thing that I want to get into on. This show is who has the best tandem of cornerbacks in the AFC. I want to get your thoughts in terms of who you guys think is the best player. Or the best cornerback for the Pittsburgh. steelers let me jump through. Let me up into your comments. And let me start with Samuel Buffet. He said Yeah Right now. Hatan, because of consistency but Nelson's on him if he does it again. Next year, if keeps it up, I would say Nelson I would agree with you. One Hundred Percent Samuel and I love to. Deal with it, said the following. Isn't this an excellent conversation to be having and Lascher? We before we knew how Nelson workout. Who would have ever thought we'd be discussing are better. Corner is gotTa Love It. That's the point right there when you have to premiere corners. and Pro Football Focus has ranked him the number five best cornerback tandem in the national. Football League when you have a very good secondary. You have the ability to go out and win games, and you couple that with the pass rush. You have a championship defense teams in my opinion win with on offense in the passing game. If you have versatile secondary that can play a variety of coverages including man coverage. You're an excellent secondary. They can do that. This is a secondary that can play against a Kansas City because they can get past rush. And they can cover well enough to give the Pash rush a half, beat or a half second more. To get home to Patrick. Mahomes John Trent set Nelson. If anybody's in the live chat. Can you please tally these up? If Dave Scofield's in the live chat, can you please go through the live chat and tally these up? I WanNa see where you guys are leaning, too. Because I can't tally math. I can't do all that I know. I'm the fabulous five. Oh, but you know I can't do all those things. I hit the G. Unit Year. Cheek you knit. Yakking. Ezra Niemeyer said hating. As her Nehemiah Event said hating then said Hilton. In twenty twenty. I think you'd be in a minority there Ezra and I love the picture of the Capper Nick Seven Jersey. That's absolutely hilarious I. Don't I don't think body would say Hilton Deal with it said that's exactly what I told. Lance before this show, he is correct. It is a great. It is a great problem to have young boy twenty four said Hilton would be better as a safety I would agree. He could a deep middle Jesse or OHS said Nelson one hating to Hilton. Three Sutton four team overall. Jason Matt Lee said Hayden One Nelson to Sutton Three Hilton Four. AM is see is on flowing through the live chat and trying to do this. deal would said. Don't write too long of a comment. We might lose lands altogether. You're absolutely correct. Donald Nolan said male blunt is the best steelers cornerback of all time, is it? I think that is debatable. Thank Rod Woodson. was absolutely great at the position as well both first ballot hall of famers. I think that is arguable I. DO think people would probably air on. male blunt given the fact that they won the Super Bowl I. Think use that as the way to differentiate to Salomon Smith said Joe Haden. Jesse arose at New England had the best duo between Jackson and Gilmore. They were really good. They were really good. I think that's who pro football focus said were the number one Let's see some SAS of its Robert Savage said Nelson, Again Jason Mentally said overall Nelson Sutton in Hilton so I think the steelers are in a very good position. Let me go with which would dave shot again? Big Up to thank you for two dollars and a super chat, Dave. He says Sutton at free safety and making Edmonds in the box. I like making that deep third, but I think they'll do some different things with Minka this year, so he can, they can put him in some more position to get his hands around the football in the utilize those ball skills, so teams can't just really take him out of the game, but if you can isolate. Teams to to really attack a certain part of the field. You can do very well Donald Nolan said. Stats are comparable, but I'll take. Hilton excuse me hating and Nelson over the patch do. Roberson pacifists said blunt is definitely the best of all time, so the question I want to extend to you. Guys is who the best duo, in the AFC north, so we're talking about the duo of Nelson. In Hayden. Is it better than Marcus Peters in Marlon? Humphrey? Let's compare the numbers. In terms of a and let me highlight this in terms of cats percentage Nelson was fifty one point four. Hey, was fifty three point seven Humphry. Excuse me Marcus. Peters fifty eight point four. Unfree was fifty eight percent in terms of yards per catch. Humphry was eight point six. Peter was Peters. Eleven point five. Eight and eleven point one. In Nelson was thirteen point three in terms of touchdowns and interceptions that they gave up. Humphry gave up three touchdowns. peters gave five touchdown, so they gave eight touchdowns as a combination and they had eight interceptions. Nelson Hayden gave up four touchdowns and had six interceptions. So who do you guys think is the best Hannam in the NFC. Excuse me in the. AFC North and Carl World's at Heart Hayden would have had seven interceptions. He dropped three or four easy picks, so if he dropped three or four, he would have had close to nine interceptions because he had five on the year, so I think that's an interesting conversation there. Who is the best? CORNERBACK TANDEM In the AFC North To me, I'm going to me I. Think it's GonNa. Be The steelers. I think Marcus Peters gives up too many big plays. I think Marcus Peters takes too many gambles and gives up too many touchdowns. You look at Marcus Peters giving up the five touchdowns in the five touchdowns at Marcus Peters gave up was the most of Hayden of Nelson Hayden, Gilmore, Davis White Sherman Lattimore Darius slay or Jalen Ramsey. I mean given a five touchdowns is significant. He did get five interceptions and I think he scored on a couple of those but given up. The five touchdowns is significant. Any gave up to five touchdowns in nine, hundred and eighty one snaps, which is significantly less than Joe Haden and Steven Nelson in terms of the snap difference with him in Hey. A Games worth snaps. You're talking about over seventy snaps so in seventy snaps. He gave up more touchdowns in seventy fewer snaps than Joe Haden. That's significant and it's also significant when you compare it to Steven Nelson as he probably played about. Thirty. I'm just GONNA say thirty snaps left. Twenty nine snaps less, and he gave up five touchdowns so because the the steelers tandem only gave a four touchdowns. I'M GONNA. Say The steelers tandem is better. Than the Ravens Tandem. So Carl Work, said the following Marc. Spears has great ball skills, but he's a terrible tackler. I would agree. Jason. Medley said a manner that peters was always suspected me I've been watching this tape. He gambles too much. He gambles too much, and he is very susceptible to speed into Donald Nolan's point. Four touchdowns is better in eight touchdowns. As Nehemiah chimed in and said that he thinks the best cornerback in the national football league is Marcus Peters I definitely agree with that and I think you would be in absolute minority for saying that I think hate Nelson. Are the best tandem of corners in the AFC north and I rate them higher than Baltimore's and particularly when you mix in Meka Fitzpatrick, I would definitely say the steelers secondary as a total secondary is the best secondary in the AFC north I think. The steelers secondary last year was top three I. Think you look at Buffalo I think you look at New England and I think you look at the steelers. I think those were the three best secondaries I would say. Baltimore was top five. But. I don't think it was better than the steelers because I think. The steelers corners were better and make. Fitzpatrick was the best secondary player in the AFC north. I think Minkah Fitzpatrick season last year. He was probably the best secondary second-best secondary player in the League to Stefan Gilmore. Although Nelson stats are better than Stefan Gilmore's I. do think to Gilmore is a better player I think where you can discern the difference between some of these players in non statistical stuff is look at the coverage of these players when they're not getting targeted so. So think of it this way if Y- targets again are the Candy Bar, so think of it that way, so targets are the candy. Bar, you're the candy bar. You're going to get targeted. Just think of it that way. biggest Donald Nolan guests land, showing love for the steelers today. Good on you, Hey, man I'm turning fifty. I'm turning a new leaf. Turn a new leaf I'm becoming more positive. Andrew Wilbur said. Marcus Peters makes to take too many risks. Trust his instincts. Should I agree absolutely as were Nehemiah? And so as was going to be hater, because Ezra is fighting for a raven player to be considered the best player or cornerback in division, he said Peters has the most interact interceptions for CBS I for years. Ever what is C. BE SUPPOSED TO DO? Not Get beat. And he said get interceptions, and that's the thing, and that's the thing about it right is that sometimes? Interceptions are credited more than shutting guys now. I mean if you get a ton of pass defense and you shut a guy down. I mean you take it a guy out of the game. I mean you know interceptions me a lot of times when you get a lot of interceptions, you know that means you're getting a lot opportunities. And when you get a lot opportunities, they take your the candy bar. Let me jump to the comment. From Andrew Wilbur, he says Gilmore Dave is white and Jalen. Ramsey are the top three cornerbacks. Can't necessarily argue with that day fall on this list. I would add Richard Sherman in that list as well I think what Richard Sherman is asked to do in the scheme that they play in San. Francisco I think Richard. Sherman is outstanding. I mean one stat that shows up very favorably for Richard. Sherman is you know? People only. Eight point eight yards per catch against Richard Sherman That debt is nut so I mean. That is absolutely nuts, so so born in Norway, asked the million dollar question before we get out of here. Should the steelers signed capper nick for the League minimum or J. T. Barrett better. The steelers aren't gonNA sign anybody. They trust their two quarterbacks in. He'll bring in a camp arm. They're not GONNA do it. I don't think Colin Kaepernick is GonNa play in the national, Football League. I think common cabinets GONNA. Stay out, I don't I. Don't know why he needs to play at this point I think I think Colin. Kaepernick is getting old I. Think he could still do it, but I I. Still Don't think Colin Kaepernick is GonNa play regardless of the urging of the Commissioner Roger Goodell. But before we get out of here again and I wanNA, thank you guys for chiming on the show. And yes I wanted to talk a little bit of football. One apologize. It was really stat heavy. I'm going I'm going to share this spreadsheet with everybody in the live chat after we take a look at the show, you'll guys get a sense of the stats that I was pulling from I. do again wish everybody out there happy June team if you're not familiar with what June eighteenth is, there's a very good podcast on youtube that was done by the Vox Media Network. In. Just do a search for June eighteenth. Explanation as to what June eighteenth was. They do a fantastic job as to why June TNT is very important, particularly for the African American community, but I'm African American. History is American history so us being more than likely. All Americans in the show except for born from Norway make sure you educate yourself on some history that you may not know going into this father's Day weekend and I urge you guys have a fantastic father's day. Weekend, you know, make sure you you take some time out. Hug The kids to wife hugged girlfriend. Hug Your family and just appreciate being a dad because being dead is the best thing is the best job that I have and being dead completed me as a man, and so I I, think my wife or the gift of my children and I just love being a dad. That's that that's the best in the world for me, but was that we're going to conclude the program, and as always tune in telephone and subscribe.

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Hour 3: Soup of the Day

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

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Hour 3: Soup of the Day

"The first thing spoke cigarette before lunch after lunch now that I'm talking about it. I kind of feeling like a loss about four hours of every day. I decided I needed to find an alternative. So I started looking in jul- came up. I did both for awhile it eventually I just switched over. And it's very quick Mimi made the switch July twenty fifteen make the switch at J L dot com. Warning this product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical. Cheers here with that familiar voice being Greg Cody in for Dan's today. Greg I'll be back on Friday, right? Pimping out my Instagram page at this earlier. So mister Gutierrez picked up a good number of followers. All ready. I love this radio. But it's a new year. So you have a semi new soup for us. And for those who don't know, Greg, Cody, how did you start this? Again, you had a thing about peace super. He just went off the dome. Yeah. Gave probably your best group of words you've ever said on this show downhill soup. Right. And then you started a new one in like, you tend to do didn't really continue it and sort of fell off a little bit. So now, you just bring a soup whenever you want. Yep. That's exactly right. Perfect. Yes. Play the imaging. Put on your aprons Boyce. It's time to step into the kitchen. Here's our head. Chef read Cody with his soap the juror. In the south. It's traditional to eat black eyed peas on New Year's day to bring good luck for the year. And if you didn't do it yesterday sneak it in this week with our black-eyed pea soup. Similar to ham hawks. Stop right there. I'll let you clear your throat because I do need to this question. Your I think jinxed, by the way when earlier I told them that his voice sounded. But now, that's so great because he's coughing which is a perfect time for me to ask. Do does everybody know what a ham hawk is. No. Can you tell us? What that is. Yeah. It's a it's a knuckle. It's from a pig. It's Nuttal smaller about half the size of your fist. That is one of the greatest things you can do to flavor. Water to make a stock for soup is to infuse it with a ham hawk labor, which I'll explain what you do is you similar to ham. Hawks in two cups of water for a good hour hour plus in another pot for three cans of black eyed peas juices and all were cheating here. You can spoke cook fresh peas, but candor perfectly fine to the Ps. Add half a Cup of diced onion half a Cup of sliced carrots, one rib of sliced celery one rib. One rib a generous pinch of salt and a few good grinds Feffer and one Cup of a fine dice of ham by find ice. I mean each piece should be about the size of your pinky nail simmer that concoction over low heat while you're ham hawks through their thing when the hawks of simmered an hour, plus remove them from the hot water and poor that two cups of delicious flavored broth into your pot with the b. Beans stir and continue to simmer. Bic the hawks of their meat when they cool and add that to the pot increase the heat to medium finally, and this is essential at two cups of shredded collard greens seems like a lot, but they really cooked down when the greens of softened and cooked through you have seasoned to taste, your black-eyed pea soup is ready for bowling. And it's true. What they say about this dish bringing good luck. By the way, your first proof is your good fortune to spoon home that first taste of one of the best soups. You have ever made. So ham hock meat is knuckle, meet well within within the the fat that renders the flavor our little little bits of of ham, which you can you know, cut and dice it. It's really a natural ham. In addition to the dice ham that you put in there. You don't have to do it and you can substitute bacon for him. But I wouldn't recommend that because bacon in water loses any Christmas that you wanted to have and become soggy. Yes, really soul food. There is he like oxtail is sold was comes from the telephone cow. Well, oxtail I figured out ham hawk. I've heard him reference a couple of times, and I've heard references just never been said in my house. And now, I'm even more grossed out by it by the fact that it is a knucklehead like I've never and I've eaten like intestines and stuff. I've eaten awful and whatnot. But a knuckle is interesting can't be any worse than. Chitlins? Like, you just said, I mean that I can't have that. I've also never eaten chitlins. I mean as a kid I used to eat pickled pig speed right out of a jar in. So I like blow by the way, I like some of this. That's right. The pickled. I remember a lot of kids growing up you Steve that at least in my elementary junior high that and what was it the flaming hot Cheetos? Yes. Which mr. I still like hostile is that you will get the big jug Brown water yet, no preservatives, and they were like read it was so and pickled eggs, we also eight are pigs the most versatile like animal to eat chicken before. But pig might be more versatile and chicken. So do you do the note Chevrolet, nothing the Christmas Eve dinner with the I think traditionally I don't know if it's Caribbean Hispanics are what they roast an entire pig. Yeah. Yeah. So I was wondering about this because I hadn't I mean, I think we did this once or twice when I was a kid, and I can't remember if it was at our house or somebody else's house. But it's like if you have the entire pig laid out like that and roasted Kenya. Like pick out the part, that's bacon. And just eat that part. I feel like I'm asking great literally eat anything on that pig. Will it be the flavors? You're used to like if you go to wherever the heck bacon is made or get what do they call that? When it's not. When it's not cut like bacon. It's just a really thick pieces of oh come on. Then they go thick making making. I mean, can you can can you just go find that from the pig? And I mean, it depends how you season. So like, whatever you inject in it, like, Mojo, or whatever. Whatever seasoning you put in it. That's the flavor that it'll take, but people you anything, and if you go to the right places like they'll fight over like I want a piece of that year. I want to eat the snout I want they'll eat anything, but hung the I Bollock people will eat anything on anybody ever clamored for the knuckle. I don't think that would be the delicacy. But you're right about the ear. I've been to pig rose. In fact, I was at a pig rose on Christmas Eve, and by the way, you end up spending as much money on charcoal as you do on the pig itself. When when you cook it with the so-called China box, but but yet everything is edible short of the hoof. Really isn't that where the knuckles? Well, the hoof I mean, you know, the hope is the hoof. Yeah. I just I would only just try, and I don't even know like, I don't understand. So it depends on what you inject it with. So there's like different flavors that you get. It's not just natural pig flavors. No. I mean, you'll get natural pig favor. But if you put like you, okay. So you make like a Mojo or whatever, and you can put in garlic, or whatever it is that you want it to taste like, and then you get like a syringe and inject it into different parts. So that when you cook it, it tastes like that. But you would still have to cut out the bake in part. And then make it like bacon to taste like begging or will it tastes like whatever you injected it with. I gotta be honest with you. I have no idea how making his made. So I don't know the pig rose it all its pull apart right in you, don't use a knife and a fork because as it all comes right apart. And that's the beauty of it. And also the pig. I think Billy correct me if I'm wrong a lot of salt is involved. And yet, it doesn't taste salty. When it's done. You're gonna correct them there. No. He was he's he's right. I wanna learn and this is the last thing on the subject that promise. I wanna learn how to make a good Rahman. Like, I have. No, I've been to a couple of restaurants and not even down south, Florida. But I've been to a couple of restaurants and make this amazing oil water. You didn't take all that's not. That right. Like that's not right. I definitely want to learn how to make these bras. And then make these new and I also got like a homemade pasta machine over the holidays. So I'm excited about that too. I don't know. Maybe I should do a cooking segment with you, Greg. You really should maybe. And I did I sent you the video of chopping onions you guys. And and so I feel like you guys can learn off of that as well, which has been you've been waiting for technique. You're healthy. Have you heard of these air friars? I'm kind of curious if there's healthy as people think they are I've had an air fryer in the past. I don't think they're necessarily healthy you're still eating the ingredients that you're frying those those items in there probably a little bit more because you don't get the the grease. The thing about those things is there to me, they're hard to clean, and then you just get that that fryer smell in your kitchen a lot. And so you either have to be, you know, really keep it clean, or you're you're you're going to smell like a, you know, an old fryer or like a McDonald's or something at late at night. Maybe a checkers. Ooh checkers. Yeah. I used to work at Chequers really as my first job at UCF. I went there over the summer and went to get a job just because I needed some spending money, and they asked me you're not just going to get a job for six weeks. And then leave are you and I'm like, Nope. And I'd start a job for six weeks. And then. They're gonna hold me today. They're looking for career people are they? Yeah. Yeah. Checkers. A long term employees. When I had my brother, take me places. It was always like we have to get there early. So I can smoke a cigarette before we go inside I'm paying I'm a little sister. We always have to stop for cigarettes. Exactly. It's true get up. First thing smoke cigarette before lunch after lunch. Another one on the way, home before dinner after dinner now that I'm talking about it. I kind of feeling like I've lost about four hours of every day. I didn't realize it was that much. I decided I needed to find an alternative. So I started looking in jeweled came up. I did both for a while it eventually just switched over. And it's very quick. I honestly feel like I remember recently you asking me did you wanna smoke free four we go in. I was like no no need to be made the switch July twenty fifteen make this which at jewel dot com. That's J U L dot com. Warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical donlevatar. You could get the delicious succulent ham shank, or but portion they said but portion and I thought to myself, I eat the, but, but I don't want to know that I'm eating the, but Porsches Stu gods is the but portion a delicacy of some sort it very much is I can testify to this. The cut of me when I make pulled pork slow cook a pork rose to make pulled pork. The cut of meat. I. Uses called the Boston. But so it's the delicacy I eat, but all the time these Libertad show with this to God's own ESPN radio, the ham hock isn't the actual knuckle. We're told it's part of the pigs leg so stop getting bad information. Greg, I meant knuckle an appearance more than in an anatomically. Yeah. Yeah. If you've ever cooked a hamburger ROY have you cooked him hawks. I haven't cooked ham hawks. I've been -joyed him. How do you know what they look like they're like fish shaped? But not quite as big, right? Yeah. And delicious, right? Oh, very much. So. All right, then so. I don't know. And listen, we have as many things to talk about that happened during the break as we want. But I'm curious if you've seen this one when LeBron James on his. More than a game that the name of his show more than a game or more than an athlete. Excuse me. More than athlete was talking about that Cleveland championship. And when they brought up to two thousand sixteen championship. He essentially said that right there made me the goat in my mind. Now never mind that he's been sort of narrating the end of his career for a while. Now, telling us exactly what to think and what I'm not even disagreeing with them. I just think it's sort of pudding for some people it when you're announcing yourself as anything, but ignoring that first second the sort of self promotion, if you want to call it that which gets a lot of people annoyed. I don't really have a huge problem with it. What do you think of him just saying that? I don't blame championship makes him go. Yeah. I don't blame him. You know, the. The bad part of that is that you don't want him to say it you want other people to say it of him. I mean Tom Brady is called the goat. But not by Tom Brady. You know, when when Tom Brady has talked is talked about being the best ever he demure z- in in LeBron theoretically should do that. But I sort of like the idea that LeBron's great. He knows he's great. And he's willing to tell you. He's great that doesn't bother me. I think it might just put turn some people off just in terms of like his stories not even told yet they're sort of waiting for that final act if he retired tomorrow with three championships. I don't think anybody calls him the goat because anybody that does. So now, and I'm one of them. I think does so with the rest of the story played out whether it doesn't even have to be another championship. But if he, you know brings these Lakers to the verge of wine, if you sort of, you know, up until his retired day is one of the top five or six players in the league. Which if you think about it is insane guys. Like at that age. Dwayne Wade was obviously a top five player for a good portion of his career right now, he's not even a top five hundred zone team. And yet he's going to retire. And yet, and you think of the brand by the time, he's ready to retire might still be in that top ten top fifteen conversation when I see that whole story, and I think greatest, but just putting that Cleveland championship and making that that would put them over the top. I'm not with that. Well, basketball's different to when it comes to discussing who the goat is. Because in basketball, Michael Jordan to a lot of people is always and forever. The deity. You know, he's the guy who sort of separate. And then you discuss whose second is a Kobe is LeBron is a will Chamberlain, you know. Whereas in other sports, I I don't think you have that disparity as much so really LeBron is competing against the ghost of Michael Jordan. But I liked the idea that that that he's willing to be a proponent for his own wonderful career that that's fine. Are most people that are calling. Lebron the best ever they're just doing it. Based off his skill set. Like, the people that are already calling in the best ever like they don't care whether he wins another championship or not. They're talking about the player that he basically rounded. Right. You would either want him on your team more so than prime Michael Jordan because it's going to create more wins or there or even. The idea that hey, maybe they would he would even be Jordan one on one type of situation that I think is silly like I think on any given day like Alan Iverson would have beaten, Michael Jordan one or what have you? But I think the idea I think the thing that makes it interesting for me is is every time. Lebron says something now it just comes from a position of power. Nobody can touch me. It doesn't matter. What I say. It doesn't matter. What your opinions are of what I say. And I just thought it was a perfect sort of juxtaposition there when he was talking about he had the the Anthony Davis discussion right where he was saying it'd be great then he played on my team. And all these other coaches are talking about our GM's or would have you're talking about tampering. I need to know the rules. And he was like they're trying to control me. They can't control what I say. It doesn't matter. And then I think it was maybe two days later where DJ swear injure had some words about his defensive coordinator after what's essentially a horrible season for for the Washington football team and two days after saying those things not even saying the guy's name. He just said if I was. And I would have done this. He gets his job taken from not that he wasn't going to get another one. But it's just exactly that mentality that LeBron was talking about the NFL controls. These players could swear in jurors like a top ten top fifteen safety and he loses his job because he was slightly critical of his defensive coordinator who had done a terrible job. I love it. Lebron has publicly sort of declared his independence in a lot of areas. Whether it's politics, and I can't breathe t shirts or what have you whether it's his business interest. You know, whether it's being ballsy enough to to say that he's the greatest ever he doesn't care what people think ninety more which. Right. When he first got to Miami that ruined his entire year. Everybody didn't like. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That first year of I've never seen any very few athletes if I ever seen lower than LeBron explaining that first finals loss with the heat. But but now he's he's fully grown into who is going to be in. He's independent. And and I think it's pretty admirable to look to look at hypothetical where he's recruiting Anthony Davis. Let's just pretend that he is do you think he's pitching him? Hey, you come be who I was for D. Wade all all be the debate in this relationship where the first like year it'll be a little bit of both of us. But I'll hand over the keys to you. I mean, it could be it just honestly like it just depends on the type of player that you consider Anthony Davis. You consider him the type of player where if you give him the ball fifty times, and whatever comfortable position that is for him that he's going to take over the games. Or is he the type of guy that works better off of somebody else? And I would argue that if you're not. If you've got somebody else to pay attention to that can pelicans. He's gotta drew Holiday Inn, Julius Randle. But if you've got somebody else to really pay attention to Anthony Davis will fill up the box score even more than he's doing now. And I think I don't think that's really the conversation. Frankly, I don't think that's the conversation. Lebron every wants to have especially when he still considers himself to be the top player in the league. I don't think he's ever going to say, hey, come be my LeBron. I'll be your Dwayne Wade when he's going to be LeBron till the day, he retires. It's also funny to think that LeBron James is going to be admonished for publicly admiring Anthony Davis and saying, oh I'd love to play with him. When he's perfectly free to text Anthony Davis as a friend and say anything to say in terms of hey, let's get together. Wouldn't it be great? If we did this. I think by the way the saying that that two thousand sixteen championship made him the goat. I think is a flat insult to Kyrie Irving. But Kyrie irvings listening to that you're saying, so what you dragged my bleep to a championship. Like if I don't hit that shot. And if I don't play some really good. Pence against Steph. Then we're not winning anything. Goat donlevatar, America's fastest growing. Sports shows to God's because when you start from zero and you have one viewer you're growing fast VC's live at our show with this to God's own ESPN radio one of my favorite parts about sideline reporting just to give Chris another reason to knock me for name dropping is. I like to meet the celebrities on the sideline, right? And I have access to them in this situation. And I always always fun too. Recognize who recognizes you, right? Whether it be that was the cast from the a couple of guys from the from the veep show, which I love or at MSG one time. Spike Lee's, really, cool it cetera. Donnie, Wahlberg friend of the show, or I guess he's a former friend of the show because he was so bad at picking met him the other day. But when I was in Cleveland this year I saw Joe Haden Antonio Brown on the sidelines at LeBron comeback game. And my in of course, 'cause I knew Joe Haden knew who I was because I talked to him about the Gators or what have you so my in was to say hi to Joe. And then I went over and said hi to a B I can call him that now and obviously the connection of him being from Miami gave us a starting point to discuss. And I find him to be a pleasant human being. And so all this talk about him being a problem in Pittsburgh. I wondered if it's true because by every conversation that we'd have seems to be awesome. But have you heard about what's going on over there? It's kind of a mess right now. Yeah. It is the ease. He's perpetuating every stereotype about the diva wide. Receiver. Well, I mean, he's also right about being the best person the best player on that team. And there's so if you don't know he basically after during a practice this week walked out and reportedly said, I'm done screamed, I'm done. I think through the ball back toward Ben Rothlisberger after play and then just took off and wasn't back for the rest of the weeks practices. According to reports and was at the arena ready to play at the stadium. Ready to play this past week is agent. Drew Rosenhaus reportedly told Mike Tomlin. Hey, Antonio's ready to play and Mike Tomlin said that's not how things work around here. The team was saying there was a knee injury involved. And he was a game time decision. But Antonio Brown did not warm up his knee before the game. According to reports and little notes that sort of tell you that they were issues with between him and the team is if they weren't already obvious by him doing the double feed me thing after he catches all sometime, but juju Smith. Stor was voted team MVP despite Brown having one hundred and four receptions hundred yards led the NFL with fifteen touchdowns which is a team record. And clearly was the team MVP. And so he was he said he requested a trade didn't demand trait. It's really hard to trade him given his cap numbers for the next couple of years. And so what in the heck the you do with Antonio Brown, or do you align yourself with a coach who sort of been underwhelming of late and a quarterback who's clearly aging and eleven bell. Who might not be back. Yeah. It's it's tough. I don't envy Mike Tomlin at the same time. He's not gonna find many quarterbacks who are better than than Rothlisberger. I know Rosberg had a issue with interceptions this year. But he's still a top tier quarterback issue with interceptions this year, but he's had issues with health in other years. And again, he's just not getting any younger. He's clearly at the tail end. Right. But he. Antonio Brown doesn't control where he's traded to. And and I think that there's about two thirds chance that wherever he's traded to is not going to have a quarterback as good as as Ben, you know, but but Pittsburgh they showed this year. Jane, James, Connor was a pretty good Fillon for Levy mbelle. There wasn't that much of a drop off. Although there was a drop off and on most teams Schuster would be a quality top receiver. So I think Pittsburgh's going to be okay. Even if they lose internal Brown. Well, this is the thing that's kind of maddening to if I was if I was in Tonio Brown, right? If I was the the classic diva wide receiver and by classic diva wide receiver. I mean, the wide receivers who are clearly great and are frustrated with their quarterback play. Because if you're that good as a receiver probably always going to be frustrated with your quarterback, unless you have one of the greatest ever, and you're being targeted you know, twenty times a game. But listening to Ben Rothlisberger talk. He does the off shucks thing. As well as anybody who doesn't actually come across that. Right. So you you read is quotes. And he saying people are making a big deal about a walk-through. If there was a blow up. I sure as heck didn't see it. I'm not sure where that came from. I talked to AB Thursday morning. Everything was great and fine. I'm not sure where this blow up is coming from your clearly, lying, man. If you're clearly lying, and I'm sure if Antonio is over there saying man here, Ben is gonna look good. He's going to look like the good guy here. And yet he's at the crux of the reason why I'm upset because he and the coach just not trying to get the ball. Right. Yeah. And the other thing you mentioned the MVP vote on that team. Antonio Brown is very much the kind of player who does want to be the MVP that team for all. We know he's he's got a contractual incentives that might have paid him a million dollars to be that. But you know, it would have been so easy for them to do the right thing and name him the MVP because he's certainly was and for them to be sort of be petty and give it to somebody who's undeserving just to sort of tweak in Tonio Brown, rather. Than do the right thing is not serving the Steelers. I mean, you could argue that juju Smith Schuster was there and BP because his presence gave them, you know, gave the defense something else to think about he helped make Antonio L and Antonio Brown's year by getting some DB's off of him or whatever. But I mean, let's be honest, if you're dealing with a guy who, and this is kind of sad that this is the way you have to do these things and professional sports, but if you're dealing with a guy who's showing any sort of. Reason to be angry with the team. Go ahead and give them the team and VP award. Like, you know, Smith Schuster is not going to need that to be happy having a breakout year. He's good, right? And so what it and give it to Brown. I I know it's sad to say that. But that is something that just kind of tweaks you it's just like they're doing that on purpose just to get under my skin, even though they know already annoyed and in this case, it was not a close call Antonio Brown. Had I think a career year. Didn't he wasn't fifteen touchdowns as his career leave team record? Right. So I mean, it was it was a great year for him. But you know, he's got to be thinking man, you guys are not only wasting my prime here because I'm not getting the ball enough. But you've got a Levy on bail out there. And you don't want to give him enough money. But he would definitely make us and me better. So, you know, of course, I'm going to be mad. I'm still thinking about you on MBA sidelines wanting to meet celebrities, and I'm wondering what your go to move is. When you're not sure if they know who you are do you like take the mic that says he has on and like scratched the side of your head with it. Like, no, I mean like in this scenario. Oh, it's different right? Because now you walk into them with a suit and a microphone in your hand and earpiece they know your something of significance there, even if you're like fancy security guard your something of significance there. The interesting part was the best actually interaction that I had with a celebrity was with Kevin Hart, and this was before the PIN. So it wasn't sideline reporting just Miami Herald. And I'd said, I, you know, I fell in love with Kevin Hart after seeing one of his stand ups, and I just went up to him. And I said, listen, I've literally never done this. And you know, cover games are celebrities there all the time, I've never gone up to anybody. But you know, you crack me up. I just wanted to say, hey, you know, the funniest thing since I can remember Eddie Murphy. So it's just like keep it up. Great job yada, yada. And he goes all the way, and that's great. He's like do you want some tickets to my show, and I had no idea he was even doing a show in Miami. I guess it wasn't that big of a fan, right? They didn't have any idea. He was doing show. And he said, yeah, just tell my girl your name, and they'll be two tickets waiting for you before the show, and I was like great. And of course, I was nervous. I was like well is he really going to leave me, the tickets inside crab. My sister. The next day we went over and like, right? When we went to pick up the tickets it will call they weren't any tickets there. And I was and then the lady said, well who left them for you? And I said Kevin Hart, and she said, oh, well, he doesn't drop off his tickets until right before he goes on. So come back in about fifteen minutes, and hopefully, they'll be there, and those were the very nerve wracking fifteen minutes there. But I went back about fourteen minutes later, and that were my tickets and so got a free Kevin Hart show. So I'm going to continue to say Hello to the celebrities now, especially that there's a chance that they might. That's your move saying, I never do this. That's there isn't a move. There wasn't a really feel that strongly about Kevin Hart because I feel like you were back. Then I did were they good seats that he left. Oh, yeah. They were great. Okay. Great seats. I don't even know what the the different sections are. But it was that first section right in front of the. The the stage there it wasn't even like the angled seats or anything legit named rather. What does he just literally have like twenty tickets that are just not sold there empty, and he can just walk up to anyone got you to tickets? Yeah. I'm pretty sure it's his show. They just grab a seat and put it right in front of the stage. If they ran out of it. So you could go no shows really sold out. Just like no hotel is is totally booked. Or no flight is actually lights are overbooked. Well, that's true flights are but hotels, if the president of the United States walks into a hotel, he's going to get a rou- donlevatar one of my favorite scenes in the history of the Simpsons is when they go to an island of cannibals, and what the cannibals are chanting is mostly to mostly to stugatz answered the the. Kunpho answer the convo. Globo and Kobo and to cocoon Bo answer could go into co boat heat their face. This is live with our show with stugatz on ESPN radio a couple of things during the break that surprised me about Greg one. He had a really good point on Antonio Brown. What's let him get to in a second. And the other thing was you might want to save those for the air sometimes and the other one was how shocked you looked at one of the poll results. And so we'll get to that in a second as well. I've never seen him more animated in any time that I've seen you on the show then when you saw that result. So that's going to be very important for you. But what was the Antonio Brown point that you made there? Well, the idea that imagine how much criticism he would be under had Pittsburgh lost that game. And had that loss cost them the playoffs. You know, as it is now Pittsburgh wins the game. They don't make the playoffs. Anyway. So through no fault of Antonio Brown's really because even if you know. But he would be under such criticism as a selfish player had what he did cost them the place. So the result didn't actually matter but had that happen with that have been enough to go ahead and cut him even they didn't make the playoffs now. So they're probably not going to and the probably not gonna swallow that whatever twenty million that they're going to have to do if they if they trade or cut him or what have you? But you know, if they had actually lost their chance at the playoffs with that have been the backbreaker to get rid of him. I I don't think anything would make you get rid of that guy couple up. They've some earlier fewer talking. We did a lovely lovely segment called simple pleasures. And I feel like I want to do that again on Friday, if that's okay, you guys. I know you have more than one simple pleasure in your life. But somebody was agreeing with me about the egg situation and saying that it's hard to find creme fresh and sometimes she uses sour cream dollop of sour cream on top of her properly. Cooked eggs. I don't mind it. But there's definitely a distinction there between crimp fresh cream sour cream. Mm could overpower as a little bit of flavor. You'll recognize it when you taste it. If you don't really know that sour cream has a flavor total different. So I would definitely try to put in the effort the regular public says I got a good thumbs up there from Greg, Cody if anybody did see it, but most Publix down here in south Florida have crimp. Freshly I assume the bigger supermarkets do also we were talking a little bit about roasting a pig, and whether the part of the pig that bacon comes from actually tastes like bacon. When you cut it out and told if you actually think about these things that's makes perfect sense bacon has to be cured to taste like bacon. So it's not gonna taste like what you're thinking of. So that's a little bit disappointing, but I've seen on cured bacon at the stores and it still tastes like bacon. So it's very confusing. I started watching a video of how to make bacon after you. You ask how to make baking I immediately regretted. It was it because it was grocer. Yeah. It was kinda gross vacant. No, no, it was kinda gross. And I also feel guilty. You ask me if like on like holidays, we wrote. I feel guilty watching it like I'm fine having a ham sandwich. If I don't see the actual pig. But when I see the pig, and I start thinking of the pig family. And just my mom, became whatever. It is call somebody who only eats white meat. She became that. After just watching those sad commercials voiced by thera McLaughlin. I think and so she hasn't eaten red meat in the longtime except for those times where I tell her that it's Turkey bacon. When it's not really Turkey bacon. So she's had some of that. But I'm totally. And so earlier I also couldn't remember the term pork belly. Which would have helped us remember where which part of the pig bake? It comes from right? The belly Billy. All right. Let's update some polls. There was only four of them. But we'll we'll let you be surprised. We'll let you guess which one the Greg was a most pleasantly surprised by would you rather your last bite of a salad have chicken or a crew Thanh chicken fifty seven percent to forty three. That was Billy. Was a Bill you Chris Chris talking about having the wrong bite at the end of a of a salad the worst when you want a chicken salad bite, and you grab croutons. Poor planning man, you have to get those less few bites. Perfect. Otherwise, you're ruining your eating experience. That was the closest vote by the way, which bite is more important the first bite or the last bite sixty four percent the first bite. That's correct. That's crazy talk. Have you ever eaten something that gets better as you eat it? Come on. You got to think about that? It's usually like sauces like rich in flavor. The more you eat it the more. You get a lot of that flavor. Tastes better. It's usually like maybe a bowling as or like, a good MAC and cheese or something like that. Were LeBron years heat fans smart basketball fans eighty two percent. No only eighteen percent of south Florida entered it about that. And here's the one that hurts and what color are school buses or the options. The options were orange or yellow. Ninety five percent. Got it wrong. Instead yellow nobody has ever said. There goes the orange the I've said it they're cozy orange school bus. I say it all the time. I pointed a school bus like it's the first time I've ever seen one. That does not mean you're right about it. It doesn't this case? You're on Greg. You never know. No, no, no. Now, you do know what color is the son Yeli. And you don't think that the color of gun is anywhere near the color of a smell. I don't that's yellow. I don't know what you're pointing at. Did you make a mosquito sound like what was that sound before you scream, you never know? What is that like a game show som- when you get an answer wrong? Have no game show. I've ever heard. I'm sticking with orange, man. I really am. Didn't let me it's like an orange yellow. It's like MAC and cheese. Kind of. It's not orange. But it's not like yellow yellow like you would think of yellow more orange than yellow, right? What was the percentage on that on that rainy five to five which is absurd? I mean, it is absurd. That five percent of the audience is this colorblind as you are because they're yellow school bus. I love my five percent anybody who voted for yellow DM me. And I'm going to send you a nice price or you're thinking of this sound, Greg. Yes. Thank you assure was. Are those all the polls? Yeah. That's it. You're also not sending people prize you need to clarify the contest thing that is he mentioned before that we can stay away. So I said DM manner. You know, what that means? Yeah. Yeah. His his phone would have rang three times four times by now if we had not taught him to to turn off the phones man this is distracting. Epi new year. Then Hodie is wearing a Christmas shirt. Yes. So Christmas and. Cases coach of the year. How is it? You're right about you're right about one thing as a Christmas. I never know.

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The War Room: Filling needs with draft prospects and signings

Behind the Steel Curtain

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The War Room: Filling needs with draft prospects and signings

"Support for this episode comes from paramount plus launching march point. You probably got a whole army of streaming apps at this point. There's the one with great movies. The one with your favorite shows the one with sports and the one with news at minimum paramount plus is it like all the other streaming services. It's got all the content you could possibly want like live sports and twenty four seven coverage from cbs news. Plus exclusive critically acclaimed original series. Like the good fight star. Trek picard and the stand live sports breaking news in a mountain of entertainment all in one place paramount plus a streaming march four. It's very seal offense. Welcome to this week's episode stills warren on that parallel hosted this weekly showed. And she'll just heard i code it stills warn. That's right if you missed loss wakes episode. We've now decided to move catherine to being cold warren. As we laid up onto two free agency in a couple awakes time on and startling bonilla gear as we move into that draw. People really wanted to change it up a little bit in terms of yes. The capstone going to be really important. We also Flexibility to cover the draft. As i said in the loss wake show if you missed out on not we. Much to look at team needs That's what these off seasons all about. it's not solely about the free agency and then the seals still katherine equally unique in setting amount of capital. Assign your rookies as well. So what we really wanted to do is move it over so that we can give really good handle in terms of how this deal is gonna fill the tame needs so that they competitive in twenty twenty. One now wants to cover today choice. I'm getting pretty quickly through a few things But just to tease it. We're going to give in to give you an update. Only seals salary cap city. Just like with cameroon. Way gonna look at Interesting quickly the. Jj room room is the steelers and how it didn't work out. I'm gonna try a quick look at sutton hilton as well. Which i both are sort of mentioned last week We never look a little bit of the defensive line if we can pot one And then in pot of really interesting draft information as well done been listening. I've done a bit of profiling. So many go through a couple of peaks that you know the still be rumored to looking at but also you know a little bit of a big board for myself. You know might be round one this week. This interesting pigs. That i think the steelers could make some k players. I'd love to go for our tackle bat baton pot two but let's get into it so quick update on on the pittsburgh steelers salary. Cap your current situation so currently the steelers twenty seven th in the league for having the least amount of cat so new orleans sites right now. Sixty six million Philadelphia ramona's forty who angeles online is twenty eight point three kansas non-timber three atlanta fifteen point. Eight pete spoke steals seven. Point tune onto point three. Basically there That's really interesting when you when you look at that and that's not hope fifty one perspective there now. That's according to spot chuck sorry spot track. Which i i've been looking at and balancing lightly against Over the cap which is my usual sort of goto for all things salary cap now. Those numbers i gave you a based on one hundred and eighty five million dollar salary cap. Which would be thirteen point. Two less than the twenty twenty cup ordinary. this deal is again. They're working from a similar number on the top fifty one right now are costing one hundred and eighty seven million Which is pretty close to spot tracker doing their. They've got it about one. Eighty eight of the bit of a discrepancy there and entertain cap space for over. The cap is about eleven point. Seventy three million. So that's what sort of what are now. That fact is seen on the retirement of pouncey and mcdonnell side but still a million dollars. It also factors in the hollywood restructure which moved. He's captain on the down from about fourteen and a half million to seven point four for the season so when we look at that still is still got a bit of work to do before this late. And you lay geus thoughts into account complaint. Come neely gear. Where can they do that. Well brother david today. show a bit effectively. we've still got bins contract to work out. And and quite frankly. I recalled this live on wednesday night so very early in the morning on tuesday on wednesday morning. Sorry for few earned the. Us time goes to air yards could have been worked out but with h. Wake i thought that and then it turned out that we've not necessarily had anything there. That's that's come to fruition. But i do think we'll see an update about the ben You know in the coming days if not wake ahead so again. Big ben does ninety million dollars which needs to shift the if you could shift eleven of that. Suddenly your cap compliant joe. Hayden is be questioned. We'll get onto him moving to a little bit about hilton's sautin there from steph onto a perspective. Respect to restructure on extension advocated in previous shows. You can go back and listen to those why it should be an extension Saying things david nelson you can extend human Shift some of that money around. Don't wanna use the word ray structure but in terms of you can technically ray structure Some of the different financial terms he's getting but for all intensive purposes on saying extend. And then you can spread out numbers again david. Decastro is another one. You could do the same thing in front of the signing bonus questions. Eric ebron. But i'm actually going to address human. We talk later about One of those plays on my big board if you like for the draft. Because you know. Eric cat number eight. And a half million which lost week is actually about level with the franchise tag totten's so he really needs to be a top ten tied ending the league if we don't think he's gonna bay that well then he's he's bisons roster rosters in consideration. Equally of advocated in previous shows. Why you'd want to ensure look at extending hymns in lessening cap Issue because the six million dol- to be saved there And this shape and things. We can do a todd as we go to air as well. Today we had called rudolph released Zaka it's going back to the to the eagles this so the the taught issues in flocks there. I think there are a lot of teams looking to get younger. Be interesting to see what happens. They come draw with call pits and pat frame for example k. Plays the but Again what are this deal is going to do with eric. Ebron in that sense vince williams and now the one that we talked about way. I'd love to keep him but that formula looks pretty pretty steep at this stage with him apart from that. There's not law. The pittsburgh steelers can do when it comes to some of the other kept savings on Cutting like cameron candidate. And what have you. But from a two million dollar perspective and They the sorts of movements that we could say we could see that. So the next part that i wanted to cover as well just quickly covering jj. So the room is the steelers were riding on jayjay. What and bringing all three brothers to pittsburgh with finalizing that jj like like getting stung You know for for thanasis feasts that he's got all those stones there any you know he's gonna his is but Each steel is thought they could front up ten million in my mind if you confront up ten million. Jj this should be ten million to cape juju now that said Tixx says jj's and plugs into juju. You're adducing you. Could try. And get judy for ten million this year and i do think he will be solely stone. These wide receiving cool but many needs to fill in ten million dollars. You'd get you to offensive. Linemen needs whether it's a it's a veteran cintel like a matt scherzer or whether it's a bring back at villanova ovilla for one more year you know there's things that you can neither. Is it a corey. Lindsey at eleven million. Can you find that one million more if you really want to shore up the line so you know there's things you can do that ten millionaire. Interestingly went to the cardinals. I predicted that And i'm going to call that in the beta say slack channel. And i think i mentioned it home on one of inoperable caused poe cost as well one one of the cat room ones when you look at the jj pot Cardinals make sense for me. I think they really reading into the playoffs from jj saddened. Sameness deals josie but not surprised so the next pace that i wanted to cover was around the corner back position Had a few questions from fans over email this week about the defense and i have covered that a couple of showers gary but like i mentioned last week. I've been i've been going through instead of digesting and we'll do over the next couple of shows the The caps salary guide through the she's free agency and one interesting cases was they've covid. Mike hilton is is one of these k. Eighty or so players. They haven't covered sautin. Which is which is interesting for a sort of think. When i've looked at it and he probably falls just outside. Some of those cape is the sort of k. Free agents at the various positions and equal. The money side became sutton office a lot for the pittsburgh steelers in terms of coverage. Obviously you've got hilton in the slot. And he's been really catered the steelers defense. But he's relevance and brawl with all the defenses around the league is potentially questionable equally. Slow corners can command a lotta money. D- she free agencies very interesting scenario way to cap numbers small. But there'll be a lot of cape big name plays or previously big plays plays a prudent performance that deuce on to quite minimums us sort of discussed. How i'd be open. In by the show and touchdown that i cars not davison which goes live on youtube every saturday evening. rayson standards on five pm in the us in we record live from the future on sunday when he on we've talked about the fact that on more open and and i talked about it with jeff is well when he when he gets starting for mike certain from my home when he when he gets starting at the mock and sort of these. Ib been getting in cutting haydn. Tecate bruce hilton and sautin interns and what it can do with that. Secondary aac early is thought that ken ken. Joe haden move into the towns and sort of role and go down into the slide. If you had to lose Nor kenny down and but a safety on the right plays. And what have you options in terms of. What item on transition to is. He loses some speed as he gets older. And still take advantage of this great football like you but i want to quickly look at it. The sutton's in his guide. I've gone back and suggested that you could probably get him on a multi year deal of three or four years For the pittsburgh steelers. I think he could probably get away with giving him some form of cap numba on closer to sort of that two point. Six six million mark Through this year. I think that that that's a real opportunity When it comes to when it comes to cameron sautin in terms of being advocate mian. Whether the steelers are going to be able to do that you know we interesting to say to say that. But what i can do is basically talk to you about what mike helton's saw when it comes to over the cap there's sort of saying it He he's really really to become quality. Nfl corner he was an undrafted free agent. He was rewarded with a second. Tend to these previous shia He's a pure slot corn until this year and he plays about sixty percent of the time. Instills defensively pisces. Two percent of the snaps He played on the forty three percent. This year judy shoulder injury where he missed. Four games He over these loss for years has been great very well by preferable focus Tim's coverage seventy five point three people but fully pay f- this year. He went down to the low sixties. salary cap is a real reason. the steals could potentially lose him. He's an undrafted players. Twenty seven twenty five and he lacks the higher end upside sadat could cost him in terms of comparisons and he's position so to eat through these Los que positions so the average For two years prior to signing of some k relevant Or like for like so similar. Cornerbacks is average playtime. If fifty two percent games played twenty eight slots snaps eight seven nine point five target right thirteen point eight in deceptions three Broken up pauses nine point two percents average odds coverage snap of zero point nine nine yards petard at seven point. One three and an average quarterback rating of eighty seven point four gems of playtime Healton has just above the average at fifty three point. Eight percent Brian poole had the highest their seventy two point three Lois was anthony brown with forty six point. Eight games played has twenty eight so he has executive that average so he was about mid range. Some of those comparible cornerbacks In terms of slot snaps. He's played seventy three point nine percent a sort of almost five the average That was toward the low. End amongst justin coleman jonathan jones. Brian callaghan anthony brown and brown pool. That he was compared to he's target. Right was higher than the average. He's was sixteen point one percent and that was second only to jonathan jones. Nineteen percent He's interceptions. He had full suhy equal brian. Bryce and jonathan Equal bear on four anthony brown had a low of one. Justin coleman three percentage broken. He was below the average at eight point. Seven percent I at aprons day average was on print to hall. I was eleven point. Five with anthony brown yards per coverage snaps. Let about point two more yards Than the average and the second highest behind jonathan jones and yards per target. He was slightly over the average and he was the second highest quarterback rating. Interestingly though it was the lowest Bras callahan had a lower quarterback writing That he was eighty three point. Seven under that average of eighty seven point four which i said on. Interestingly name like brian poll had eighty six point. Wan anthony brown ninety seven point one. So you can say that. That mark hilton is playing lois snaps. That's jeeter little bit of injury But you know. He said he's quite similar. To jones and jones was a twenty six year old undrafted on the patriots signed a seven million dollar extinction while i was tended at the second level. They've got similar Profiles and joins was nothing more than solid when race signed. oj consider. The upside comparison If he was to get an offer from pittsburgh before free agency without that offer he runs the risk of low end of the group. He could well end up like polls and undrafted free agent who ends up going back to the original team on a one year contract Either the cap projects in our mike. Hilton's sort of be free agency Sort of outcome to be really dependent on what steals kennel on alpha. He does offer fits for different teams. But you're going into free agency this speaking and project he's appeal slot guy and he's only getting on the field and said packages. Obviously we know the pittsburgh steelers like to use them in those and so that the other tastes stated basically summit up protecting him sign a three contract of five million. Her you with eight million guaranteed. Now that's really big. Because if desert suggestion edit Eka the open market and find out that no one wants him. If that's the case could pittsburgh stills offering like four point two million now. I know right now the cap but as you can do things with to it. In terms of phrase structure or through an extent or an extension and extension would be smarter Sign with nelson to you. Send for euro for two years. Even have a dummy year or fake year if you like benz contracts can be realistic. You can do these cape Equally said joe. Haden if you were to cut joe haden his at seven million cap savings there. That could be enough to keep both the. You might not even have to do that. so yeah at threes five million piet per year eight million guaranteed dot would put him in a reasonable slot. That would be a quarter. Brian poll as i mentioned there. He's not going to get jonathan germs. Justin coleman money at nine million seven million that was their previous contracts Sort of average piper year. So it'll be interesting to see what happens. But i guess what i really wanted to cover which didn't get to loss weight. Was that sutton hilton puzzle and hilton's a lot more possible than what we might have thought even a few weeks ago is we've seen the salary cap floor. Rise slowly martha hundred and eighty million and it might be one hundred eighty five million and obviously the steals of that four point nine rolling there is a pechiney for for sutton and he'll hilton astound this roster and still cape haydn and if he can kate that secondary together this could be so awesome things there and finally. I just wanted to mention as well on the defensive line Interesting position for the pittsburgh steelers From what i've been able to save the lost weight with some projections. I think tossing allah waller bringing him back. Remains the best opportunity For the pittsburgh still to provide some insurance there. He's a tenth round draft peaking the in round one from the when he started out his career. He's got some great You know he did great for the steelers lachey he he could be shaped for you. The only player. I'd be really interested in because the seals born have the money to splash the cash at these position You know you would be potentially page a whole on you. Play with the texans last year and he's got some versatility on that line But whether you're willing to tight that punt a you know in terms of what he can offer. I dislike. Some spady offers a size In terms of projection. That's gonna be really interesting in terms of what he'll earn. I think he could pay him. Probably even less money than what Allah wali was on on incentive and Giner potentially Backload deal if you were to get him over two seasons and spread. That hit the nike Money you know. He made an average of seven hundred fifty thousand loss g. He's more interior. They ebony twenty six so you know who knows what steals could do with that there You know he was round to draft pick by the right as a couple of seasons ago. You're so interesting. What he could do there i think. He's roughly two bay in the early one million mock intensity season. So let's say but he'd be a player. Be open to sing how to steal a sign that that wraps up hot one of these weeks and the first steelers warren Join us apart through. We're all getting to everything. Dropped focus on look at some k. Whereas steals can feel some k positions in tame needs as we go through this off-season gatherings john support for this episode. Comes from locker room the app. That's changing the way we talk. Sports locker room. Sports fans dream come true. It's a live audio platform that lets you connect with other fans experts. And even the athletes themselves locker room makes it easy to start your own conversations. Talk about the latest rumors takes news teams. You care about most join massive watch parties for all of your friends to react together in real time as you celebrate a buzzer beater. Or suffer the agony of a crucial bricks free throw. 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How can we get that revenge in twenty twenty one so look potter as a said we've moved to the in pot one. We've moved over to wool room as title and i'll focus in terms of being across the board bitta cap bitter draft bitter free agency bit of everything in between so i wanted to kick off the draw pot By saying a comeback leeson. And because i'm such you know. Obviously i a part of the beta say family podcasts. I casually right for the behind. Steel curtain dot com. Your one stop shop for all things pittsburgh steelers. I limited in. What auburn meteoroid can absorb. Because wanna stay across what i networks got. You know even though. I'm a contributor in in that capacity with content. I love to see what everyone else is sort of talking about before i was listening to bonds to code but his padding the website and in costing are being potty to see family forever three now. I'd often leads into for several years. And be of before that i was listening to move the sticks with bucky brooks in january daniel jeremiah. And that really got into the draft. Pick up an interesting insight. Release the pittsburgh steelers and that was the talk about how many good poss catches there are wide receiver in the draft. And we saw that lost years. Well with is this. You potentially even more potential. I one Round one draw peaks the wide receiver position. Some of those guys up in round two. But there's such value through the year. Particularly i five to six rounds And we know. The steelers wjm rumored to talk to anthony swartz as they would to talk. Let's from prospects at this time of year. So you know to talk about this insight. Because still struggle to draw quarterbacks and picked up on a really interesting point when i was done back in listening to some k- highlights from From the airport cost You know in terms of of droughts young players and there was sort of took the fact that nfl teams looking to draft seeks for an above cornerbacks. That a fast and what they were saying is. It's very interesting. The of young guys the goal and be a wide receiver. And i'll want score touchdowns and that's a really sexy thing in you wanna get marketability. And what have you. But then i talked about players like down. Sanderson could apply it in different parts of in a couple of different positions in that was sort of saying like there's money to be had if you only a decent wide receiver if you go in and learn how to play corner get to the college level switch. You'd be surprised what you can do. But if you six full six for And you've got that spayed. You do know how to catch you. Got that quiz off. The mark that transition could end up putting him as much high draft pick overall. You know change the career you might have one in certainly changed the monetary and study career. Slava's interesting insight. Because as we know the still struggle to draft the quarterback position and equally your. I think it's it's interesting that the the lack of cornerbacks that was saying surly come through would that Pedigree the moving back to the steelers so interesting whereas back to these i assume misnamed bucky brooks On february fifth in one of these drives so talked about the steelers. Drafting neak bolton. The doctor adams eerie thought. That was interesting. Because we've heard a lot. Recently in mock drafts with is again with steelers are projected in his vase very early as well. Monot steel to be projected to draw in the tulsa linebacker zaven collins interestingly. It was more from missouri unique bone missouri previously but that consensus there and joining surprise. Steelers have taken a number of inside and outside linebackers in the in the last decade over the draft but the fact that seems to be a few different people calling is. I think makes an interesting and i think this. Obviously that need there. And i talk about. Vince is full million dol- from a spec knew how can we get younger at that position week. We've got spur lying. Who's an exclusive rights free agent offices to retain him every williamson using a free agent in. If you can save a couple of million there by not bringing back a do you think he'd be worth doing it. events Janine to supplement in the draft often the gap between the the first second two or three rounds of inside linebacker versus the. what's in the full faith in seeks can be quite a wide chasms. So if still going to do what they need to draw some pedigree so the office the next place i wanted to cover off some of the Drops obviously we know. The steelers need help on the airline. I thought what was interesting. Ease the mock draft. That's from that they that dern janu jeremiah balki books together on february nineteenth replaced jalen knife field There as the potential pick for the pittsburgh steelers now with that sort of four. K jalen mayfield. He's adam michigan he's a he's a good player. There you know. He's he's actually been since projected to actually go to the ravens. More racing trafton and daniel radinsky brown's name right Was predicted steals. But right now the the according nfl dot com ni- fields buyers. The knife applied right tucker for the wolverines. He's a thick squid build plays with and balance the passing game. He has averaged for quickness in his set. Nice job of staying squaring keeping defenders office edges. He will give little ground buses pal before dropping these white and anchoring down he's inside handy's powerful to jolt he stays attached once he latches on. He's very web of twists and blitzes in the run game. He plays with leverage strong hands and nas. temperament finish. He lacked suddenness. Working on the set to the second level be takes excellent angles in his very effective overall. He doesn't have a late for quickness. He's very consistent. Looks like day. One starting right tackle. Were great you say the pittsburgh steelers neda right hand right. Tackle the worry there for me. Everything sounds great. When i read through that sort of a buyer and obviously types in on the thing to look at but i worry about his second level. It's something that we know. The steelers have struggled with equally Do we need to spend a round draft. Become that sooner. Play when you might be bringing zach. Banner back. Who's coming back from injury veteran shaping you get a cheap deal you know. What have you but me. I want the sound of mayfield equally. I do understand that sort of understanding that he might mobile mobile going to the ravens lighter on Given need someone like landbranch junior and you say hang on that. How could he be going later on well. Coordinated latest production is That we might get doing daniel Residence from north dakota state on. Who was the tackle. He was protecting trae lance. We've talked about a lot Of course betas and ordinance is lane left. Tackle has averaged for quickness in that fetichism. Not sanjay goodell. He's dependable imposs- protection uprights out of a wide stance and prefers to catching absorb than punching. Control is excellent win and she can say pick up to fray russia's against central arkansas and tight. He flashes the ability to redirect in recover when he's bayton down early in the run game. He sells on combo. Box and show some nasty To finish the point of attack he needs to improve his hand usage and gain some strength but he should emerges a starting right tackle now. That sounds pretty cool but right now he's ranked forty four on the big board in terms of fifty players. I like what he this pause protection pace seems to into where the steel is my bay however all we know this deal's nato improve. They run game if me on sitting there going. Look we should probably go after. Moore that jalen mayfield stall player now. I grew days scofield. You can have a real problem when you fall in love with plays in the draft process until they drafted with the black and gold cap. The not a pittsburgh store and that makes it a route challenging but equally we've gotta get motivated and you've got to such interesting soft and what i think it more as these steals. Have an opportunity to twenty two. Pick an offensive lineman in draft with really good offensive linemen. They probably have to pick a tackle that can be ankle on the steelers offensive line for a long time and by ankara. Remain on either side and protect the quarterback. Now you daniel atari deal from north dakota state day hate the steals will be able to help him if the if the thing is get stronger. And you get pre technique stills manager with our line you know we we do have good online. Coaching and in cleanse being well received in terms of stepping up that line coach. Interestingly the draw that the milk chocolate said jalen knife field would come to us. Headland indicas into the chiefs and we know. The chaves throughout sued had massive issues with our line. We know that landon dixon's are a lot of injuries and not spink putting him back into the second and potentially even third a as stupid comments. I've made all way through this off season. You can get a good centering. The second and third round. You don't need to spin around on him. But what i wanted to do. This week is part of the first part of war room. And i'm going to do this. Each week is brought my big board so plays a teammate positions. The pittsburgh steelers might look to feel. Now don't talk outdraw festival draft but so what the pittsburgh steelers have several other giraffe picks to make these she. They've got some compensatory picks the moment they to get one and it'll be in the fourth round and that's j on hong crave According to over the cap But we've got no peaks at the moment So they could be that include all the one they're The pittsburgh steelers as well now cross nine peaks. There's a few different projections in terms of the with. Steel will be drafting right now. We don't know this until we get them. So i wanted to look at two. Plays one is going to play. I'd love to say the steelers draft and mention very briefly on the steelers touchdown under fool. And that's at the tight end position as i alluded to in pot one and the second is a player that i feel the pittsburgh steelers myron realistically actually draft. The she and has when i went through and did some background research. I found he was linked by one. Fan si- Light middle of last years. Bang apply to watch so. Let's start off with the player of loved them to sign. And that's brevin jordan and brian jordan. Plays that for miami. Interestingly the other player that i'm gonna just also applies in my area miami hurricanes and so that you have to hold tight to see that one as but it's only offensive football and that's is brian. Jordan is a tidende. He's an f. Stall tidende said very similar to. What abraham does that. Actually if you were to bring humane imagining learning behind apron for ye you could even cut abe ronin and support you know with a blocking tight end in the in in Free agency or that would still be around as well. You can do a few different things that That i'd love to pay them if you can and give ben or whoever is going to be the quarterback position You know and i didn't get covered pot. One jacoby present surprise me percent who we know. Canada has some has some background with From north dakota optional mantra from nc carolina He's currently projected to be out of five million dollars contract if ben's coming back imagining percent to the rim of rudolf haskins give us some more. Sure backups. And i'd be open to sing. Three quarterbacks can do even if you get him on a one year deal and paying more than five million average but anyway going back to join in terms of the weapon he could pave the pittsburgh steelers and he's six for three hundred and forty five pounds and pounds there. He played He's quite twenty-six game in twenty. He played eight games. thirty receptions. five hundred seventy six yards. Fifteen point to catch seven touchdowns. He's athleticism is great receiving abilities. Great he's competitive and he's tough. He's i tall sometimes. He's strongly strengthening And he's pork technique needs improvement again. I think the steelers is or attain. That can really take blocking technique. I mean if you look at how. Good juju smith. Schuster is blocking. They can teach that to someone who's six foot three in positive forty five pounds. He's a starting offensive weapon in twelve person. Personnel offense A number of roles for the hurricanes you know he's a very tough and have said that even though he's blocking names were one of the one of the sort of Out takes on. He means that he's competitive. Tough walker and he needs to really work on those hands and that whole body movement and allow his base in your needs to straighten At the moment which is compromising his advantage These canaveral great according to some people of an eight point zero so obviously they using attend. Scale there Gainer he's really interesting in terms of the wall street seasons whereas racked up over fifteen hundred receiving yards and twenty one touchdowns a sort of when i look at the call pizzas right now ranked as a top three player in the draft in terms of talent. Known the -sarily where he's going to get peaked. And you look at pat frame as well out of penn state day. The gods getting love attention to brevin. Jordan's sorta playa that when you look at the pittsburgh steelers and said this is touching under on the weekend. Brian jordan is a sort of play that you could go back after a draft after euro to. You're on if we did a ray draft. He being the top goody two. I really say that he's got a similarly. He's compared to sort of jimmy. Smith from play taught a talked about that earlier. Took reggiani smith. The season on untouched under was so a podcast before we went to the youtube. Full manninen poll costs that. Come off as you tubes Jonah someone that people would love to get in free agency probably get paid if we can bring you mean through a draft will fantastic So that's really interesting. Sort of pace a in terms of brevin jordan and. He's a player. That i think will be very interesting to see if the steelers want. Wanna bring tight end. They bring that. There's a couple of titans later. On that i might preview as we get closer through the draft But i do really think that he be someone. I'd really be open to taking now. There are the fits. Inner people sort of cobbles community form the science counter panthers los angeles charges. That's won't good. But i personally think You know the when it comes to brisbane jordan. The steelers should be having his quiet to get cheaper younger foster and more effective at the position Than what they've got an eric ebron right now as said if he could to abraham for lebron's funding year of his twenty twenty one. That'd be great quickly. I wanted to move onto another play now. The miami miami hurricanes player and i saw these guys very differently of like jordan for wall. But this one's quincy roach and quincy roche so the big miami Address shaw that most people will be familiar with going into the draft. You would be jalen phillips. And he was projected to the steelers. Go off to quincy. I'm sorry. Jalen phillips at twenty four if he's still gonna bay he's probably going to get peaked earlier on from that So i wanted to look at look at him now. He is a player that basically he's sort of rocketed up Some of the shots as well in tim's of way he could be picked and a lot of that comes from the senior bowl. He was one of the top ten plays From some of the nfl dot com observe is in the goslett darnold jerem while coming out of the senior bowl in terms of playing. Well he came into the weight. According to them he came into the wake. Now is nearly day three surround. Four to seven peak. He's probably pushed himself up today. To based on worrying senior senior bowl though impressed with how battled from rep to rep. He showed up tamed drills. He has heavy hands in a murder that runs pretty gripe him from that perspective but when looking further into him as well now he seeks three a They're six foot two and seven eighths. He's two hundred and forty three pounds. Interestingly went on is going to some of the They d theresa poku whilst couple of days and that was sort of saints really hard right now because there's no combine and they're waiting for pro days and there's not a lot of tight as a lot of guys for instance at outside linebacker rush that a rowing listed as six foot three two hundred and forty five pounds that sort of perfect the standard saucy and white that weren't some of them will be seeks one and a bit some of them will receive form of it some of them being be to twenty five and someone will be three. Seventy five pounds is a bigger discrepancy here. And they said that's one of the hottest things about scouting But look according to the stats. That i've been able to pull. He's six foot. Two and seven eighths two hundred forty zero pounds. Wingspan eighty and three eighths of thirty two inches. begins there he's bain projected quad solidly as being that early day. Three and potential around two year. He's probably a three four weinbach he's not really potentially want too much coverage that feats won't steals could use him for two supplementing. Give rest to tj water. Alex smith He's fit for the giants cardinals. Rams and falcons at three four. But i really like what quincy can do. I think quincy offers some really interesting paces there. He moved from temple. Murray played a couple of seasons to getting into Getting into miami It's it's gonna be interesting to say what a play where play light. Quincy roche goes when it when it comes down to it because you know. He's he's one of those guys that people we look at kevin dotson people went in and didn't even get invited to the combine. But he's not he's night on the other side of the offensive line there next to him. there was robot hunt. You go picked up by miami. I think it was invited to the komen for The plane lafayette. And when i look at that he's quincy gonna be that same Pace where you look at it and you go will hang on. Everyone's gonna go off dead jalen phillips but what about quincy rush equal you can look at. It was benefit from john phillips bengal. Now the side. I walk a bit of what i see on tape. I'm interested to see Where he goes in terms of being drafted this this coming. nfl draft. He could be an option for the pittsburgh steelers. We need depth at outside linebacker. And you know what. He's a sort of god that could do that for us. But with that. That wraps up steelers warren. For this week join me next week and hearner's we might even have been and is the payments platform made for today tomorrow and whatever comes next with adnan single solution it simple to accept all kinds of payments inap- online in store touch free and beyond and it seamlessly adapts with your business. So keep your customers. 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The Scho Bro Show, Part 1: Can the Steelers afford any changes at cornerback?

Behind the Steel Curtain

30:11 min | 4 months ago

The Scho Bro Show, Part 1: Can the Steelers afford any changes at cornerback?

"Pittsburgh steelers fans welcome back to another episode of the sco rose show. This is behind the curtain co editor. Dave scofield coming at you again. It's tuesday night. It's just after nine o'clock so who's with me as always my big brother rich rich how you doing tonight steelers right. You do it just fine. Yeah i wrote an article sunday. We're six weeks removed from the last time. The steelers on the field. Isn't that crazy. Yeah camp start. He's not the best color man of the game for another. Yeah well it's funny because because you're like all the off season there was things are moving along. Today was the first day that teams could use the franchise tag now. I didn't hear under reports of anyone doing act and that's for good reason something we're going to get to. Some things have happened recently. We knew yesterday and they talked about it on the on the hangover that came were did his extension or extension. Sorry i used the wrong word research. So funny about it of people using the wrong terms that i even did an article about his was. Sorry his restructure. I had the next one in mind is why i said extension. And we'll get there in just a second Got came hayward restructured. A lot of people were expecting that next. Want to be steph onto it. I brought up. That might not be so easy to do right now because he's on the old cb versus under the new cba and there's different stipulations based on them changing the number of games that they have to take into account with the old cba so it could still happen but it might not. If you want to know more about that go to buy still. Kurt dot com your one stop shop for all things pittsburgh steelers and check out that article yesterday about that. You know because you just made me then. Sit there and victim minute. What's after reading your article. Oh yeah so. If instead of a restructure for steph onto it what if we did an extension. I thought of that and i almost brought it up with article but the steelers would have to make a really big exception because they don't do extensions with until there's only one year left outside of the position of quarterback that's their that's their franchise rule. I mean they don't have to follow if i could have argued that if they want to break their own role. It's going to be because. Hey we need to get guys under the new cba. I see that as exception. I just don't know if they give him an extension then again move numbers around and bring them into the new cba correct yes. Yes because a restructure does not put a contract because you're not changing anything other than how you're distributing the money so if you really want a full breakdown of that sears. A go go checking out. It's on the website. It's somewhere towards the top. There's been a lot of stuff happening which to now because we get to be the first bt. Se podcast to talk about the news that seems like news and a lotta news but just like e. l. Let's wait and see for sure but it sounds good and that is that one. Benjamin rothlisberger did meet today with art. Rooney the seconds according to jared you lock of the pittsburgh post gazette which nobody's disputed especially since the news. This evening was well first of all. They said that the meeting went. Well if you know what. I mean what do you think of. Well-meaning means Means neither party got up stormed out. That's what i was thinking. They both seem happy with stuff. They weren't mad at each other and it was all done. So hey chad. I did this your comment there that he appreciated that article there now. Thanks thanks for the shout out there. I appreciate that so the meeting went well but then we get the news the news from if you don't know the name ryan toner. If you don't know who ryan toner is that is the agent for one. Benjamin todd rothlisberger and i'm gonna just flat up. Read the statement. This was reported by but by deakin kabbalah of the of the nfl network and network. Yeah i get them on. Espn switch sometimes. So that would nfl network. And this is what he said in a statement about it after. Says they want ben back and we'll contact me soon to address his cap situation as we've shared sense the season ended. We are happy to creatively. Adjust his contract to help them build the best team possible a year ago. Ben wasn't sure if he could throw again but he battled back to get twelve wins and aches division title of his career. They lost steam down the stretch and that doesn't sit well for him so the fire burn strong and there is plenty of gas in the tank before we break down those words anymore. What your what was your knee jerk. Reaction to that of just looked at it that bannon art the second down they talk. The talks went. Well ben contacts agent and said thoughts went well. We're going to get together and we're going to work out the money make it work. Well well bottom line is to me. Yeah i agree with you. I think this was a conversation that went from ben. Had to have the conversation with mr rooney. Mr rooney seemed to be on the same page. We soom with with general manager. Kevin colbert where ben might not going to be exactly the same for bet. You got the new offensive coordinator wanting to do new. Things gradually gradually with canada stuff. And so then has this meeting. He meets with mr rooney when he's not it doesn't seem like anything. Be said. mixed. Ben not wanna play. Ben had to make the decision. Then he going to tell his agent. Hey i'm not sure about this. Let me talk it over with the family. This might be for us. I don't know if this is what i wanna do. But instead he says to his agent. Alright we all sound good. Does your so in other words. It sounds like he got the i mean. If you read between the lines remember this reading between the lines. This is just what we're seeing that he gave his agent degreen light to go get it done which is a step which has news which is which is moving in the some people might think. It's the right direction. Some people might think that's the wrong direction because they're all there are those that don't want ben rothlisberger back. There are those that do want ben roethlisberger back but everybody that wants one or the other definitely does not want to forty one point five million dollar campaign for twenty twenty one. That's something i think. We can all agree on so if you if you look at this stuff and break it down a little bit more a couple of things. I just wanted to ask you about in their notice that he says. We are happy to creatively adjust. His contract noticed when some other people were saying he's willing to take a pay cut. Did they use the term. Pay cut in there but i that was done on purpose that that may still happen. But you're never gonna come out and say that know what's going to happen. Most of the money's going into a into into the signing bonus. The question is the years and all that other stuff that they add on to the contract yup so and maybe not even all the money. Maybe it's just some of it goes into a saudi bonus this year who knows but there's a lot to figure out what the numbers thorough go ahead. Well i'm feeling all this about and everything it's air and i'm like you know what it's great to talk and things look like they're moving along but then i got to feel and i don't know my my inner bed was coming out. Just felt my. Brian davis just coming to the forefront. And i and i just had to go back in time for a pop culture reference and i just felt you know needed to go back to jerry maguire Show them the money. Well sort of your Until they can show me the salary cap money. Yeah yeah well. I don't have a whole lot saved something more than that. I want to bring up something this i hope. I hope he doesn't mind if i out of this was from andrew wilbur. I wanna bring this up just to bring somebody says is a restructure going to be true pay cut or is it just going to be kicked a cannon into the future. That's the big question it's probably kick the can into the future. We know this We know that twenty two and a quarter of its not going away. I hope he has a blind. I out him because andrew wilder He had he's had two articles on the main page for the first time so curtain in the last couple of days. Hope that's out. That's okay that i didn't ruin your alias. Maybe i shouldn't say who who who. His screen name is that he's writing under. But yeah you had one sunday one today Really good stuff. Also by the way so thanks for joining in to the to the btc family andrew. But what i wanted to say about. That is something that i've seen. Marconi drowned this. Because this is just the live chat. But i've seen this on social media. I've even heard it said on. Espn and it drives me nuts. And it's why did the article. I did this morning with terminology. Ben is not a restructure ben as an extension now within that extension is a restructure. But i think we're always assumed that this was what you mean. But i've seen places list. Ben rothlisberger as one of the players for the steelers that will be restructured. Along with cam heyward steph onto it and the only other two options are boswell. And derek watt and. I'm thinking about doing some articles about how wise that would be and they threw them ben rothlisberger then rather burger does not fit in that category. 'cause you only has one year left on his contest asked to be an extension i and then you are restructuring the last year of his deal or it could just be a whole brand new deal. They can do that as a possibility. So it looks like they're gonna be working out stuff. I brought up. Something and jeffrey brent benedict in our slack general agrees with me. There's a weird financials going on much. Like with the stefan to it. Thing is remember ben's old contract is old. Cba yup k. This how much does the seventeenth game. Come into this. Are they adding a seventeenth game. It changes the financials a little bit but just enough to really hold up the stuff being done. Do you think that you think that. And the combination of not knowing the salary cap. You think that's kind of what's going on here or do you think they're going to get it done anyway. Get it done. They're going to get it done anyway. They're going to pay ben enough and he's been paid enough that i don't think anybody's going to be crying over anything yet. At least there. Anybody should be crying over anything and everything. Yeah i mean and it's funny because people are like. Oh well we need to move on. I just even though. Ben rothlisberger may not be the what he was. It doesn't mean that he's still not the best option it doesn't and you you just have to change how you build a team around him so i do have to say i did get permission From andrew if you want to know. His articles steeler fan eleven steeler fan. Eleven on the website. That's andrew yet. He had a great three round. Mock draft that we that we bumped up to the main page on sunday and then he wrote his first official straight to main page article. Today about the pros and cons of a first-round running back very good stuff makes you check it out andrew. I enjoyed the backdraft article. Yeah you know that yeah. Read that on sunday. I enjoyed that one actually. Dan big articles that that did really well and we had to put a disclaimer. Because we didn't bump it to the main page he wrote it before the carson wentz trade so but then we didn't put it up there until after the traits. We say that's on us all that really good stuff looking forward to two more stuff from him so this is good. I know we're we wanna dive into the other topic of the show but this is this happened since we decided what we were gonna be talking about tonight. This is kind of an important step of the steelers offseason. Do you think this sets other things in motion for the steelers or do you think the names gotta be signed on the dotted line. I gotta be sign on the dotted line. I consider it motion but nothing else can happen till this is done. That's true that's right. It's got right i mean you. Can you can behind the scenes. Work stuff thinking. You've got an idea what's going on but until this one's assigned it's not done and you can't do other things. Yeah yeah so and it's so interesting because you can. You can spin ben rothlisberger how you're looking at going into twenty twenty one either way. It's kind of goes back another article. This was my six weeks article that i did on sunday. Was you kind of fall into whatever narrative you wanna believe. And that's kind of feel sometimes about the steelers now that we're six weeks removed from the last time they played. We have our sometimes are our memory. Might not be as good as what we think instead. We think what we feel. Were the what actually happened on. I brought up a semi awesome options about some examples. That which i've myself done. I did that last year. Was thinking benny snell. Based on his last game was ready to explode this year and didn't quite happen. So i'll take that one on the chin but that's kind of how we how some people are with ben rothlisberger as you can spend it either way like he's getting older he completely fell off last year. What makes you think that he's gonna last any longer this year. I get it but at the same time. There's also the camp of he didn't have a regular offseason because he was rehabbing was coming back off the elbow surgery. Give him a year to actually do everything the way he normally does to see if he can do it again. Does that make sense. You both of those arguments. Sound about what you're gettin either way. It is because you know you can look at the same way you know how. How is any different from guy with an acl. They can come back and play after after that injury but typically it's year two before they get back to fully being the player they were before yes or anywhere close to the player. They were before the i agree. And i'll be honest with you. I think you've been rothlisberger struggles. They won't hesitate as much as they would have in the past to explore other options throughout the season. If you know what i mean. But we're that's putting the cart before the horse. We're really getting out there. Juries get off that but it's but it's news that that it looks like that's the direction that it's going so now last question about it before we moved from quarterback to cornerback before we said with ben we thought it was fifty fifty and we were both okay. Either way with however went. Where do you put that now. Eighty twenty. That's the exact numbers. I go with two eighty twenty. And you know there's still a chance that doesn't work out. But i think you're right there so so let's transition over. It's so much talk with. The steelers has been about the quarterback position that i was diving. Some stuff with the cornerback. Position on defense and i was like this is something that there's a lot of stuff up in the air that i really wanted to discuss with you and figure out and that is the steelers there to starting corners. Have very large cap. Hits this upcoming year i was. I'll go and tell you now tomorrow. Steelers vertex for jeffrey benedict myself at buying. This occur dot com. Your one stop shop off weeks. Dealers is on steven nelson and and the season that he had. And how although. Jeffrey brought up some great stuff in the film that he might not have had the same stats that he did. Twenty one thousand nine hundred but look at the extra stuff they were asking him to do. You've got to check that out tomorrow. It's good stuff. Jeffrey always does a great job with film breakdown. But the one thing i brought up was a steven nelson signed the most expensive free agent contract at the steelers had ever done and it was three years. Twenty five point. Five million dollars over fourteen million. That is counting towards this year salary. Cap so over half of the contract that he's getting is is being counted here on this third year. That's tough so when you got steven nelson at fourteen point. Four two million dollars. You've got joe haden cap number fifteen point five seven five million dollars. There's a lot of question marks there. And i heard one or both players as big potential salary cap cuts by the steelers. Because when you look at the numbers hayden you could you. Would you'd be saving a seven million dollars nelson you know. He doesn't have as big of a cap hit and you would be saving more. It'd be eight point two five billion dollars. If you're looking at that. But then you gotta look at the rest of the roster. You look at the rest of that roster and you've got free agents in camp sutton and mike hilton so you're talking about your top four corners. You really wanna go into your season with all four of them gone. Well no no the questions are what do you do or what can you do. Yes what do you do in. What can you do so before we decide what we can or can't do let's breakdown who got and what what it costs so i went over joe haden steven nelson on monday. I did a this all stemmed from an idea. I had my head from or quoted. Monday that was about Cost above replacement. And i looked. And i. I loved mike. Hilton came sutton together because it was the same -sition so it made sense to talk about it and when i got to look at it. I'm like the steelers. Don't have an answer for slot corner. If they lose both those players you agree. I mean because after those two guys. You've got justin lane on a rookie deal you've got james. Pierre undrafted free agent that played in sixty games last year. Hold on seventy games last year. Include the playoff game and came down to it when they had to decide for for when they needed another outside corner with joe hayden out on the covid list and when camp sutton would go back into his dime role they would. They went with pierre overlain in the playoff game. So you've got him but then beyond that you have given a player that they signed to a futures contract in trevor williams who who was played. Let me count them up. He's played thirty seven. Nfl games in five seasons. He has twenty seven starts. But i'm trying to think it was two thousand. Two thousand seventeen was when he started fifteen games for the for the chargers and everything they signed him to a futures contract which is a fly taking a on on someone. But i don't know that that's someone you really. Can you know have your planes on. And then they also have another another futures contract guy in in stephen denmark and that's their corners that's their corners. So what do you do rich. What do you do we do with nelson. What do you do with hayden. What do you do with sudden. What do you do a hidden. What do you do who get put my gm hat. And yep that's the question all right I'm not saying what they're gonna do but he because to me here. something. I think they're probably looking at if it makes sense okay Yeah steven nelson is what how much younger is. Even joe haden. He's i think he just turned twenty eight. If i recall. Joe hayden is. He's in his he thirty one one or two. Well i'm trying. He might he. Is he one of those guys thirty one now but he'll be thirty two for next year baby talking me. I'm sitting here thinking okay. Let's extend nelson save a little cap money. There get cut hayden and you say that cap money there And you use all those savings to see what you can do to hold onto both camp sutton and mike help to keep both of them. Okay i could see that so in other words. We're saying what you could basically ended up doing. Is you could leave sutton or hilton a slot. But sutton to the outside and joe haden spot and you still got even nelson on outside and then all you have to replace is the basically dime safety role that that tim sutton was doing. So right okay. So just to clarify. I was right. Joe haden thirty one. He turns thirty two on on april fifteenth. So that's what what to do there. Which is interesting. because i i think it was art. Rooney the second and not kevin colbert. Custody goes further back when they were kind of when they were talking with the media and everything they brought up joe haden made. It seem like the steelers are are more likely to hold onto hayden the nelson. Now i think especially after doing the vertex article with with jeffrey looking at the film that he showed up there. You're spot on when. I think it needs to come to an extension for steven nelson. The question is how much more you're going to have pay him than what you paid him in his last contract. That's going to be the big question with him. You're gonna think i'm crazy know about going to think you're crazy. Go ahead i think you extend joe haden. I think you give joe haden years. But you're not doing and you're going to basically give him his salary this year always a signing bonus other than the minimum. And you're not but you're not gonna look at huge base salary beyond their because of his age. He's a guy that you're not gonna have to take more than what you're paying him. What's that was my next thought. Yeah that you can extend if you're not paying more because jeff hartmann brought up something on his. Let's ride podcast that it's funny because i'm gonna screw it up. That's why i'm double checking here to make sure that i didn't he that he brought this up and i thought it was a really good point. And then it got me thinking about other things And he said maybe you extend joe haden and you keep him around for a couple of years and if he seems like he's not the same outside corner then you go the tout's in routes to wear as you get older. You've moved from an outside corner to be in the slot corner. That's not there all the time now. If that's a possibility down the road then. I think the guy that if you if one of the four you aren't able to keep i think it's my kill because what you could do as long as joe hayden's final me outside. You've got campsite in the slot. But then if joe haden needs to move to the slot you have came sutton can play on the outside. My killed his his. He's a slot corner you know. That's who is what. What was the term that someone used one time slot backer. Yeah which is basically what he has doesn't mean that i don't wanna keep my kill them. I would love to just keep all four of them. That is the best way to do. That would be great. Just don't see how they're going to be able to do it. I was really surprised that the numbers that pf put on these guys whose contract it really was surprising because especially on the steelers defensive side. And i have another article coming out from the if you read. My defensive cost replacement. Article of the offensive was coming. I feel like the overvalued the steelers offensive players at undervalued their defensive players. I mean they have bud dupree at ten million dollars season. I gaze coming off of major injury. Why injuries why they'd to that. But they have. Mike hilton four million a year and and cam sudden at two point. Seven five million a year. I say if that's the case that you can get them both both for under seven million combined per year and knowing that it'll be lowered the first year based on on the signing gossip. Stuff my goodness why are they. What do you don't need to wait for. Ben rothlisberger do that you make that move now and then you make it again and then you do it again. The next day you run to get them to sign those contracts because died to me. I think that's great value for both of those players. What do you think yeah. You're right and you know if you give joe haden at extension to move some of that money around that probably gives you the mutt. You know if you can get them for that price. She can keep them both. Yeah i mean what would be. Great is if you say okay. We're going we're not going to worry about going under the salary using corner to get under the salary cap will do that other places but let's see we can use it to break even at corner. Yes that's exactly if you could save the money from the other two players and keep those two players and then you give then gene spears. Got another year to to to work. You know what i'm saying. And i mean if you who knows how that's gonna go and honestly i will do your magic. If james pierre ends up being a i mean the steelers just don't find corners like that like that recently. They can't even draft them very well. So sudden there you go. That's the best drafted corner. They've had it a long time. I have a feeling just lanes going to stick around on his rookie deal as a depth piece but that he. I don't know that that's going to work out. I think pierre is more guy that could be the next guy And knowing that you're going to have him for for a while you don't have to rush into a lot of action So if you don't get all four of them at least having three at least having three so i kind of like what you were saying with before so so when we come back for part two because we're about ready to take a break we're going to go into what the best you know if you if you can only keep two. What's the best to to keep if you keep three. Who's the best ones keep. Which ones are the best ones to keep out of all these. We're going to do that and then we're hopefully going to. Maybe have a little bit of time for questions. I will definitely get to our big question at the end like we do. I ask that enabled us. We'll call it the big question shore. Yeah so that's coming up here partouche. 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Steelers Injury Report, Week 15 vs. Bengals: Friday Update

Behind the Steel Curtain

07:55 min | 6 months ago

Steelers Injury Report, Week 15 vs. Bengals: Friday Update

"From labra doodles to grow nuts the world of hybrid so today businesses are taking a smarter hybrid cloud approach using the tools platform and expertise of ibm. The world is going hybrid with ibm visit. Ibm dot com slash hybrid cloud pittsburgh steeler fans. Welcome back. this is jeff. Hartmann co editor behind the steel curtain dot com with you for another episode of the steelers. Injury report podcast. It is friday normally when we go through the entire game status. We go over the report. We go over everything and say let's see on game day. Not when they play on monday night. Football the pittsburgh steelers traveled to cincinnati to paul brown stadium. Unfortunately bombed thinking of paul brown stadium the esco loser will not probably not be in use. I would imagine. I'm not sure if the bengals are having any fans come to think of it. That browns head fans on monday night football when they hosted the ravens steam state. Same governor. Maybe they will have the esca loser in full effect. If you're not sure what. I'm talking about if you ever look at paul brown stadium cincinnati. There's an escalator that can take fans from the lower bowl up to the upper deck and it's hysterical to see it's happened so many times where the bengals fans are funneling down the esca loser as the the bengals are getting there but walked in there leaving early. I don't know who thought of the esco loser. I certainly did. Not i'm not gonna take credit for it. But i will use it for sure as much is off as as i can and so the loser might be in full effect in week. Fifteen when the steelers play on monday night football. That's right back to back. Primetime games. Mike tomlin said on tuesday the steelers late and egg their last primetime game meaning week. Fourteen in buffalo. Let's see if they can reverse that trend a wind is all the steelers need to win the afc north to clinch the afc north with three weeks remaining We'll obviously they win this week. And they have two games remaining the colts at home and then the browns on the road will see. There is a possibility if the browns were to lose to the new york giants on sunday night. Football in new york then. The steelers would have clinched the division before they even play in cincinnati. So those are some scenarios for you to kind of digest. Let's get to the injury report today. On friday december eighteenth only a week away from christmas. I can't believe it. Let's talk about this injury report. There's some good and there was still some bad. Keep that in mind. Ben roethlisberger who missed practice on thursday not interrelated. He was back on friday full participant. No nothing to worry about this time. Folks he's good to go. Sean davis who practices. They do illness. He was bag as a full participant. Sean davis really been relegated to being a special teams player this season so nothing really of note there but he is back as a full participant. Joe haden great news. By the way he is coming off of that concussion he was a full participant thursday full participant friday. That typically means a barring a setback. He should be good to go. It would be great to see he and steven nelson back. Has people forget steven nelson missed. the washington game with a knee injury hayden played in that game and then they kind of swapped in buffalo You know nelson return and hayden was out. So it's good to see. Joe haden good. Be good to see. Hey he and nelson in the lineup. Once again james conner who missed practice on thursday with quadricep was limited on friday. So we'll see how they handle him on saturday. The final practice of the week. Here's the bad news. The bad news is and i said this. On on the steelers preview podcast check that out either on youtube or on our audio platform. I said that this is the injury to keep an eye on. Because of dotson cam play you know. Are they going to have derwin gray out there. Jc hassen hours. Who filled in for dodson. Well everyone was kinda hopeful on on the steelers preview podcast finger. We were fingers crossing. We hope dodson's able to get back to practice on friday. He did not practice for a second straight day with that shoulder injury. That's not good news for kevin. Dotson i is it just because he's a rookie to folksy. Keep that in mind. This was david decastro. Were two different story. You're talking about an all pro veteran. We're talking about a guy that's a rookie. Who only has a couple starts under his belt. Him going on one day practices not really ideal. So we'll see if he can practice on saturday he might get that questionable tag and then we'll find out but as of right now not looking good. Let's go to the other side of the coin with the cincinnati bengals Taking their friday report quarterback brandon allen now brandon allen. I don't even. I didn't even know who this guy was. And no one talked about him and this is one of the reasons. Why i i talked about it on my friday. Let's ride podcast. I mike tomlin on tuesday. Didn't say a thing about the cincinnati. Bengals i was literally stunned and my gosh. How does to learn about this team of the head. Coach talking about anyone brandon allen mrs practice with a knee injury for the second straight day. Not looking to for him to play. They would have they would actually turn to. I believe it would be ryan finley if he i think the next man up for them. And that's a player that the steelers have faced before he would be the quarterback of brandon allen. Can't play not looking for brandon allen as of right now Linebacker logan wilson missed with an ankle. Injury did opera did not practice. It's his second straight day that he missed safety brandon wilson with a hamstring. He was limited for the second straight day. Defensive tackle mike daniels wide receiver. Aj green were both back at practice after getting a day off. Offense a tackle. Bobby heart with back. He went from limited on thursday to a full participant on friday and then guard xavier. Su'a filo with a finger was a full participant for the second straight day and you look at these reports. You're looking at some big names. You're looking at some names to keep an eye on for sure It's someone like james conner. Kevin dots and joe haden setbacks but also the other side. You have allen the quarterback and you're wondering who are the steelers gonna face most would suggest that it doesn't matter but at the same time it's good to know for the steelers. It's good to know who they're actually going to phase. They have to prepare now for allen. And casey plays as well as finley. We'll see we shall see but will one thing is for sure the steelers they control their own destiny and boy do. They need a dominant performance. They need the steelers. The steelers have to. And i think the fans might need it more than the team itself. Boy would it be great to see a dominant performance. Offensively defensively putting up over thirty points. Really stymieing that. Cincinnati bengals offense. I don't care who's a quarterback Someone said the other day on twitter this will would it matter if they beat a crappy bengals team. The bengals are ten in one by the way well it would matter. Just because the steelers have lost two in a row they need to kind of get some mo jo back they need to get some swagger back and if that if it means they have to beat the bengals then so be it then so be it. So that's that's that's a wrap. For this friday injure report podcast. I'll we'll be back on saturday to give you the final wrap up. Once the injure reports released. I'll tell you who practice on saturday. Who is going to be in. Who is out for the game for both the bengals and the steelers to make sure you check that out. Check out my morning. Let's ride podcast every monday. Wednesday and friday. As well as the live. Mike on tuesday the steelers on thursday and then all of our pm. Podcast you don't wanna miss a thing so wherever you get your podcast search dealers or behind the steel curtain follow subscribe. Whatever you gotta do. See him as a thing. And lastly behind steel curtain dot com should be your one stop shop for all things steelers. I am jeff. Hartmann co editor of that website. In the meantime folks be safe. Be kind and god bless goes dealers will see it.

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The Curtain Call, Part 2: Why did the Steelers wait til later to go "Sooner"?

Behind the Steel Curtain

31:15 min | 2 hrs ago

The Curtain Call, Part 2: Why did the Steelers wait til later to go "Sooner"?

"This episode is brought to you by roundup ready to use weed and grass killer. It's got the sure shot. One which extends two feet to reduce bending over and it's protective shield fits over the weeds to help contain the spray. It kills existing weeds to the roof. So they don't comeback which means instead of thinking about weeds. You can think about whatever you want to think about like unicycles or barbecue spare ribs or what goes through a person's mind when they look at a newborn baby and decide to name it. Chester the roundup brand think about we could think about. When you're not thinking about leans always read and follow pesticide label. Directions pittsburgh steeler fans. It is time for the second half of the curtain call. Podcast my name is. Michael beck joined by jeffrey benedict. We are hanging out having fun. Talking about oklahoma Stud i guess the nfl. So you're stud regardless traynor norwood's topic. Jeffrey was your original thoughts on that picker. The for me. I was kind of like who but well what did you think when that came down the pipeline. I wanted a cornerback significantly earlier. So at that point i was like who is this guy. What's going on. I started watching film on him. I saw like that. He's he's physical but in like a grabby hand. Fighting fight for the ball in the air could get a penalty but but more often than not he. He just made life miserable for people trying to catch the ball. I saw that he just reminded me a cameron sutton. I looked at them like they are drafted him for cameron sutton spot like. That's that's the goal in mind that kind of role. So i'm i'm positive on it. It's far enough down at seventh round. The hopefully he'll dodge the steelers. Drafted cornerback jinx. We'd all we'd all love to see a cornerback. Be be better you know. Be really good there. Cameron sutton hopefully. Hopefully he takes. That spot is the best drafter steelers quarterback in recent history. Hey you know what looking at these draft picks. We know twenty twenty draft class. Every single member made the team the way the cards are kind of following. It looks at the twenty twenty one classes a really good shot of doing the same thing and have every single drop. Pick make the team. I honestly i think it might come down norwood. What are your thoughts on that. You think every single one of these draft picks are making it. We'll we'll see louder. Milk defensive line is there are so many of them I know him i. I can't imagine them trading up for him accepting that like he's he's not a policy thing and then letting them go before even giving them one year So yeah. I think you're right norwood. That's a. That's a tough room simply because they have put so many names in to fill those spots like there's there's definite holes there there's definite room but they've thrown so many names in there with killer broom molay james pierre stepping up justin lane still hanging around the training drafted guys. Yeah and they're all what's interesting are all very different. I know someone in the chat. Said is traynor would like a james pierre. That'd be no. They're incredibly different. They're actually like opposites. Like james peer If you think of james. Pr thing of joe. Haden physical run stuffer. A technique is is fabulous Just not super fast. And then you have traynor norwood. Who is a camera sutton. He's gonna play off. He's not you know getting in the chest of wide receivers in hand fighting with them as much. He's looking to tobacco backup. Read the play and play the ball So they're very different players and then you've got the undrafted kit from michigan state that everyone's high on he's a different player. They're all it's going to be very interesting and this is one of the reasons i am excited for the preseason because they're such different players and i just wanna i wanna him get out there and see who they can use an how so then with with that. Who do you think the most likely rookie to get cut is i would. I'd have to go with nor one like i think. I think it's still probably him just because that room is crowded. He's a seventh round. Pick yeah i know i completely agree with that just just the way. Everything else has fallen. They haven't acquired another outside linebacker. So there's no way rochet's going anywhere Jordan berry would have to be ours even if jordan berries punting sixty orders throughout entire training camp. I think the the steelers have to taking consideration any places best football when it's hot out and he usually flops in the winter. And are they going to get rid of this This this punting stud like like this top punting prospects since probably daniel sepulveda's just let him go to market and signed somewhere else and just roll the dice jordan berry. I just can't see it happening. So for that argument sake. I would also agree. That norwood was probably the most likely cut of any of these rookie draft picks again though. I have a feeling they'll all make the team much like what we saw on twenty twenty which is incredible two years in a row to have your entire draft classmate team last year. Were six picks this year's nine. It'd be incredible but Going back to the safety specific talk. How do you think this like safety. Depth chart is going around out. Of course you got terrell edmondson make. That's patrick at the top. Who's who are going to be the guys that back them up author. Armalite is going to be in that discussion. I'm very interested to see if they put miles killebrew at safety or if they moved him. More like a marcus allen to where he's kind of linebacker kinds of safety But that is a that is a good question and one of the interesting things we've seen. Is that the steelers. Liked to use debts cornerbacks in that role. Like when in two thousand twenty when trail edmonds would come off the field. It wasn't shown davis playing for him. It was mike hilton. Coming in seven man. Front might kill. Wouldn't be on the field but they'll take. Trawl often put mike helton at strong safety They did the same thing with camp sutton of it. So it's it's it's it's it's interesting because the depth chart like matters there but they when they take safety's off the field. They don't always replace them. With safety's it's more like the each individual player has kind of the roles that they can play and they kind of match that up. So it's like okay. We need someone to go in there and play deep zone defense Let's cameron sutton. We need someone to be able to blitz blitz from the strong safety spot. And we're taking troll ivan's out so it's mike mike. Helton will play strong safety. They really do more on role based and i. It's interesting because they also like to be able to switch players around so you'll see trial edmonds in the slot and mike helton dropback zone. Sometimes it's just this. I don't know if there is messing with the the offense or seeing you know seeing a matchup they prefer different player to to take on it. So i i still think arthur me will be your number one backup safety but i think he will also be like your dime back. So i'm gonna. I'm gonna go with him primarily there and then behind him just a really is another like backup safety. Truly just a safety kind of kind of player on this defense. They just kinda. Don't go for that right now. Yeah no. I totally see that as well. Now i'll put you on the spot much like how. I put our guests on this bottled earlier. Who would you say the best dealers defensive back his who was not named making fitspatrick for twenty twenty one twenty two joe haden still. Yeah joe haden until he proves it's joe haden. Although i wanna i wanna i wanna jump in here i stats guy too. So i'm big on like recognizing small sample sizes james. Pierre didn't play that many snaps. But if you were to just take every single snap. He played at cornerback. And you were to compare it to to the other steeler cornerback. We've had man. You can make an argument. His his film looks better than joe. Haden like you could. You could make the argument. James pierre looks just on film and that very small sample size like the best cornerback. We've had since taylor. that's just. His film was incredible. He he's playing at a very high level. he just doesn't have great physical attributes. So so with a caveat there that if james pierre is what he showed last you know if he can turn that into a full season of play. I will change it to james pierre. I just don't. I don't think that's realistic to expect that. But at the same time. That's what he put on film right. That's put on film. That's what he bought on film. That's what he did on the field so there's a chance change. Pierre could just be like pushing. Joe haden out the door after the season if he if he's that that good agai- that's that yeah. That is really interesting. Especially the way you put it at the end there and i would agree that joe hayden is probably the next best defensive back after minkah fitzpatrick but of course is a contract year. Four joe haden And of course it's a decentriq centric show tonight. Do you think joins coming by. And before you answer. i'll. I'll throw my answer out there. I because i i think his of is vocalness e in that in that locker room and how he's a leader and how he's respected by literally everyone in the nfl. Anyone that's ever talked to joe. Haden play in the nfl. They'll rave about him. How he just the man. I feel like that affects things where you're gonna wanna want to bring them back really vocal leaders outside of cam heyward for that defense. There's not a whole lot allow guys. Tj walk from my understanding. He only talks. He only talked to bud dupree and his brother was his kind of circle on the steelers but when it comes to vocal leaders of course you've got cam heyward but then joe haden such a fixture. Do you think he gets reassigned. Even if james pierce might take step ahead of him is he someone that you have to bring back if he can still go. That's a good one I can't. I can't see joe. Haden moving into a reserve role like he. That guy has made money right like like he has like you. Listen how's the steelers. When the steelers. Talk to each other like joe. Hayden's the rich guy who he is but if you look at it has been corner of all time. Yeah yes thank you. You get in there he got. He's still got the good rookie deal end right before the slotting. And he got that big contract with cleveland. They paid a ton of money. I don't think he's the kind of guy who's going to be like okay. I'll take a small deal and be a backup because he just be like you know what i'm why would i. Why would i do that because he also has. He has a lot of pride like any like really good defensive back you have to be that kind of guy who carries a chip. Who's a lot of pride. And you know he's gonna he's gonna make sure he gets respected that kind of that kind of a person I don't see him taking a reduced role. Like i think he's that guy that if he can't play outside anymore than he's done he's walking away from the game so i'm leaning towards no but i don't. There's also the problem that joe haines fantastic shape shape. He'll using his workout videos with that like footwork guru guy that he goes to that allow the players. Cameron sutton has videos with him now. To heat the stuff he can still do that. Level of training. He has If he still playing like he did last year you you have to bring him back. He's just that good and he is like you said he's that leader. He is that guy. Everyone looks up to everyone respects. He he is something else man. I i love joe haden and i. Yeah so i'm gonna go uncle with. Yeah i'm gonna go with. He comes back a good amount of money. And he's back i. I really hope so when it comes to respected players across the nfl number one. If if you were to poll players who's the one guy you wanna see when a championship before they retire. I think number one is gonna be. Larry fitzgerald period. I'm not sure if there's anyone that's ever been more respected than fits but number two benches joe haden. He is beloved in. nfl circles. And really. I hope i hope and pray get. He gets one before he hangs. It hangs up. And i really hope that's in pittsburgh of course but before we move onto the db's i pose you. This is joe haden hall of famer right now as we sit here. Is you wait a or i was just thinking about that because you were saying about joe haden. He's we wanted to win a super bowl and we love it to be in pittsburgh. I think joe hayden is on that track if you look at cornerbacks playing right now. The guys that were that were considered better than him. Then hold up right. It's it's not such a hard position to play for him to play at the level. He's played it for so long. Outside of those few last years. In cleveland where they were i mean they were mass anyways No one looked good on those defenses. He he has a chance. And i think if if the steelers could somehow pull off even the deep playoff run. Zomig that you're you're helping his case because his big problem is he's never been in the play offs like he'd never really gets that shot to be in the playoffs and he didn't. He missed it again this year. And if you look at the steelers defense in the playoffs this year or even the other games and the other games he missed. You could see the lack of joe. Haden makes an impact on this team. So i think he has a chance of it. I wanna ask you back is if he if he stays with the steelers and retires. A steeler ends up going to the hall of fame. What's the helmet all. It's got to be the steelers a like. That's that's an easy one to me. Because like he took less money when he was released by the browns signed with the steelers. There's better offers out there. I'm not sure the teams. But i know there were better offers. He he loves mike tomlin. He said that multiple times and kind of treated poorly by the brown. So i couldn't see him putting a browns like if this is like cooperstown major league baseball where you're going to pick a hat if that's how it did work because i'm almost certain that that's not how the nfl their bus. If that's was the way they went about it. I think he would go in as a steeler Also closing in on having like the same amount of years as brown as you this year five. I think premise the steelers and he played seven. I wanna say on the cleveland browns. As i see search setup he he's causing if he gets another deal he gets another two three year deal. He might be a steeler longer than he ever was. A brown did you have the numbers already. Now you're absolutely right absolutely right. Two thousand ten to two thousand sixteen for the browns seven years there five years with us. Yeah exactly so yes. I think that'd be a pretty big factor on it as well For one of the guys. I think all steelers fans. Let's get that to ring. He freaking deserves it. But i was just i would love. I would love for joe haden to go in to the pro. Football hall of fame wrapping the steelers. Like doing that. Because that would mean like i mean obviously the browns had joe thomas but the second best the other best player of that era then are the best graphic of that era would be joe haden and he'd be going in as a steeler twist the knife a little bit. Yeah i just just. Ooh i hate cleveland but yeah what a move. Honestly like you'll when we look like if the browns had joe haden and like the last couple years when they like turn it around they don't have cornerbacks who can play like him like denzel good but like i say he's like he didn't show as much as he was a rookie but anyway this isn't a brown show is not talk about them. Who cares about cares about a team. They're dumb name. They're ugly uniforms whatever. Let's continue talking about defensive backs for the pittsburgh steelers and out would bring up two guys here. That's a have had a really good minicamp and really good. Ot as you mentioned one of them a little bit earlier but antoine brooks and james. Pierre have been standouts. I know mark kabali wrote a piece for the athletic sticking their way up In terms of their stock a lot of people were saying they stood out. Or are you hiring these guys. Are you excited about hearing that. They're having a really good Offseason i'm really interested in antoine brooks hearing good things about him because he did play more snaps than james pierre did. They were just all last season on defense they were just all in one game and it was the one game where the steelers went in their dime package. The most and he was there dieback. Antoine brooks junior. Was there dieback. He played a bunch of snaps against the bengals because they were spreading everybody out and throwing all the time but he in that game he showed he has some good blessing. He's a very physical player but at the same time he doesn't quite have some of the coverage traits. You need there. I know everyone talks about my kilt wasn't the best in coverage but this is this is a different level like mike helton. Ow wasn't the best coverage guy for for cornerback. Antoine brooks junior isn't the best coverage guy as a safety right so then talking about him. Having a good camp is great news to me. Because he's improved his movement ability like. I don't know if you work is players work with people. They get different fitness regime. Stuff all of a sudden there are a little more agile low better if he's learned the defense really well where he can become a valuable piece. I'd love to see it Because he was playmaker in college. And i'd love to see that that aspect out there but he wasn't that guy in twenty twenty James pierre i obviously already said he was that guy he absolutely was that guy so i i said before i nothing. They say about surprises me. Because he was that good on film last season. i can't wait for him. It's preseason. I wanna see how they're using what they're asking them to do. That's like i care. That's why i want. James pierre Nothing they say during camp is going to surprise me. But i'm also glad we got a report on traynor would from tara lost austin saying he picked up everything really well so you know i'm excited. I'm excited to see how they how they work it out. And i think we can just see the defensive backfield really not lose a step. Seems like the only draft pick. That isn't getting a ton of love right now. Is dan moore junior. Who apparently struggling a little bit to kind of pick up all the nfl stuff. But he's a project tackle to begin with Yes that is absolutely expected. He and he's gonna take a year. Yeah he's going to take a year and then we'll see what we got and he has no pressure to play also but by all means. I'm not worried about that. There is one other topic. I wanna get to. But this is a really good question from andrew wilbur. He asked if ben would retire. And even joe haden for that matter. What would you consider the bigger draft need quarterback or cornerback of course next year's draft classes loaded at corner. It's one of the stronger corner class in a long time. There are a ton of quarterbacks. But they're not the same skill level as we saw in this past draft class. jeffrey I posed to you. I would you. Would you be a quarterback in the first round or a corner quarter or corner just going by need. I'd still go cornerback. Like i'm thinking like quarterback so important but i think mason rudolph can be a guy for a year. He can be a guy he's not the guy you know. And when benn lease based on real if it's not the guy but he is a guy he can be a guy for a year or two But man if joe haden leaves you would have cameron sutton left from that group and that would be fast. Yeah yeah you're talking that steven nelson joe haden. Mike helton cameras and all of a sudden. It's cameron sutton. You've gotta bringing some. That's not james. Peer starting opposite him. And you're not gonna do undrafted free agents in seventh round picks and signed agent cast-offs for your entire cornerback. Room you can't do that. You gotta have somebody anchoring that room so yeah for me. It would be cornerback. I think you kind of talk me out of corner without. I think you want someone that has skill and the steelers will have some money. I think you try to go. Sign a corner and you try to sign. Joe haden but after that i i think you want to sign a guy what it comes. His quarterback class though like if they fall in love with someone and they're like okay. We we need to go this guy. I if you identify that quarterback this league is a quarterback driven league. You have to go get him like if that's gonna say i don't know if it spends rattler and we're like all right. We need a trade heaven and earth to get the number two. Pick to get this guy. Or what have you depending on how this all shakes out. I got to make the move like we knew the steelers were really high. And patrick mahomes I don't know if they were ever close to pulling the trigger on a trade up because it wouldn't have made much sense with hari was but we knew knew. The steelers brought them in for a ton of workouts and were interested in him. But it didn't work out so clearly the they know what they're doing when it comes to evaluating i thrown talent when it comes to quarterbacks. They're not. They're not in a position to take one obviously a year in and year out when you have a hall of fame guy but if they're looking at the the right people i'd want them to make a move up if they think they've found the right guy but outside of that jump in here with something absolutely because there's a comment that stood out to me here. Let me bring this up here. Says i'd rather from a lifelong fan. I'd rather have a smart player that a talent player who doesn't have a smart brain talking about the secondary. This is a big shift because a guy like adjusting lane guy. Lincoln artie burns. No longer fits defects. That's what the steelers used to be going for if you look at who is excelling in the defense. It's not the big physical fast traits. Guys cameron sutton. It's a steven nelson. Who was short and was everyone thought was a slot cornerback. He's playing outside and he's great. Joe haden who despite you know. He's thirty two johan's thirty two years old. He's been the nfl over a decade. You know he's not fast anymore. He was never a ridiculous athlete. And he's not the athlete he wasn't anymore but he's fricken smart and he can play that position. Then you look at their draft and trae norwood bringing guys. They're looking for smart defensive backs that is where the defense is going. And so i gotta agree. That's what you gotta look at is. Can they execute defense because if we execute the the coverage schemes. That we've been running since terrel austin joined the steelers if you execute them. Well this defense is going to be outstanding. Know exactly the last thing. I did want to bring up for tonight show jafria. Of course it's been covered in other shows. Steelers brought in trai turner For an interview and physical whatnot didn't result in the contract. But really the buzz was kind of worry about david castro What are your thoughts on the situation. Are you worried about it or is this just due diligence. It yeah. I suppose with the guys. Steelers have been bringing in recent weeks. Maybe it's just like all right. This is a list of guys if there is an injury it could be that. I don't know if it is but when your thoughts and all this well let me go. Let me go to his play last year. My hope and i think the steelers hope is david. Castro was gonna come back and be the guy. He was at the start of the season that week five. I think it was. I think it was week. Five against philadelphia. He was injured. He was never the same when he came back. He was not the same guy There's been reports that that it's that he was fully better but he wasn't he he had lost something there he didn't he didn't care as much like there's rumors you always hear stuff like that. Like maybe he's just dying. He doesn't wanna play anymore. But the the question to me is if if that injury isn't healed then he'll he'll likely be the worst offensive linemen. We have the only guy that was worse than him when he was clearly clearly not himself was. Jc has an hour. And that's a. That's that's a guy they he was our third string center. He was a developmental guy. He was not supposed to play last season in the nfl. At all and there he was starting and david. Decastro wasn't much better. And that's that's just what a torso injury can do to alignment. Who's not young anymore. If that's more the reality than you know an injury that can heal and he can bounce back then yeah. Gosh that'll be absolutely awful. Because looking at this line You're hoping you know kendra green steps up and that those three interior guys dotson decastro and green can really be the anchor of a line that that turns the steelers fortunes around if the castro isn't there that's kind of nightmare scenario. I mean you're talking about cowards. You're talking about. Hey you're talking about cast offs from other teams. Hopefully being able to start. That's rough and i feel like decastro. Can't go stews probably try to work. Something it's the money back If you were to retire or if they were to cut them for whatever reason then they would have some flexibility to bring more talent like a turner and kind of alleviate that pain so at least there could be a possible out for this team but as we are at the top of the hour here jeffrey. I do ask you if there's anything you wanna plug in your way out. I know another. Tj awad to sack film room drop today so make sure that people check that out but sir anything else that we should keep our eyes on yes are vertex. Is ryan little late this this time because we're covering this exact topic. We're covering the loss of mike helton and who expects to replace him as the nickel back I don't get into traynor. What in this one. But i get into antoine brooks juniors show actual film from when he played some film from james pierre and some film of mike. Helton's so's of you're interested in seeing you know. What is buzz on. Angela brooks junior as you can see what he did last season And see where the player he was as a rookie that i i think that's coming tomorrow. But we've had a lot of a lot of articles on the secondary so they've they kind of pushed back by believe that's coming out tomorrow. Great stuff and forever has been asking the steelers from a to z series. Breaking down the entire roster is back. We're on day three now. Myself and Bts's editor dave. 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The Scho Bro Show, Part 2: Can the Steelers afford any changes at cornerback?

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The Scho Bro Show, Part 2: Can the Steelers afford any changes at cornerback?

"And we are back. Pittsburgh steeler fan with part two of the scope rochelle. I am days go. Feel co-editor behind is still current dot com and with me given all the good insight is my big brother rich rich have arts looking for that good insight you talking to me. I didn't hear around. Yeah well we talked about the about the ben rothlisberger news. We're we're we think that's interesting. We wanna see the signing on the dotted line. Make sure everything's good on. We're we're breaking down cornerback. Because i tell you what if they lose these guys. They're trouble a question. I didn't ask you if the steelers. Because we're going to give you this if the steelers were to lose two of the four quarterbacks discussing if they decide to make a cap casualty out of either steven nelson or joe haden and then they can only sign either subtler hilton and they're down to two. Then you got pierre lane. How confident are you for the steelers Replacing their depth at the quarterback position through the nfl draft. Have you listening Rich covered his face with his hands. Let me just as few great words for your Through the years. Let's say what kind of things can we think of. We can think of course recently already burns. can go back further when they've tried to make big splashes in they've been right but never great. I always remember chad. Scott and some of these other guys yeah. We drafted a really great corner since we drafted rod woodson No i mean. I i i see he was mean. Just say serviceable. Excellent above he was above average and had a nice long career. Yes have they really never knew it in the mike tomlin era now now now now so so not a lot of confidence there. So let's let's play devil's advocate. Let's say the steelers can only keep two of those four corners gracious. Which do you keep it. Honestly i really only keep on keeping the two starters keeping the two starters. Okay i'll i'll throw it out a little bit different. I'm gonna keep oh go ahead go ahead because you're going to do what i was gonna do. Go ahead i would. I would keep nelson and sutton. That's where that was my next thing. Where i would go because now this is this is looking at it in hindsight where you don't know when you sign these guys you don't know if you're going to get the other guys are not and everything else. The reason would be the happiest with those two is nelson's got the experience and he's younger than hayden guy and then sutton brings the versatility of playing either inside or outside that you don't get from hilton. I'm not saying that the better to players on your saying they'd be the better to ski. Hold onto because you could be looking more long term you know love joe haden really love joe haden. Every year that the steelers get great. Play joe hayden is fantastic. But as we saw it happens with everybody event. You're gonna get a place get to a place where you don't so and i think joe hayden is closer to that than anyone else strictly. Because he's going to be thirty two. So that's the way i would go. And how concerned would you be about the steelers secondary. If that was the case i would be concerned. Okay so now we we we know we wanna keep all four Now now you get to keep okay. Keep drinking all right if i keep three. I'm going nelson hayden sutton nelson hayden sutton. I'm going to agree with that. What's crazy. Is i wanna keep mike hilton so bad because he does things that are so different and can and can bring bring that. But he's kind of the luxury isn't he. Yes yeah he's a. Wow he's really nice to have. But i would feel more comfortable with the three. Yes because you could go ahead. Keep on 'cause you could play. Yeah 'cause sutton complain inside outside. Hayden hayden plays outside but but maybe he can play inside up. You know. it's a little more versatility between what you can do with those guys and the reason. Yeah breaking news. Breaking news from gary from evgeny crosby. The peg was just one in overtime. It was to go to the third when we went to start the show so they they got the two points at every time. Sorry i was excited about that. I mean you got steelers gotta be excited about the penguins. Sorry about that. So that's okay. yeah. I love my. If someone's gonna pay for my kelton to come in as their slot corner he's got to go to a really specific place it's gonna use him right or he's going to be that free agent bust yup because he's not your typical slots and the worst thing. A team can do is bring him in and try to make him a typical slot slot agreed. Yeah but who's out there that would using right baltimore. Maybe tennessee tennessee. Yeah i could see. Maybe i'm thinking of teams. That would have the right philosophy with it. I mean and honestly you gotta have the safeties you gotta have the over the top for him to be able to do what he does. So that's why. I dropped him to fourth on the list really Because as much as i liked what he brings there. If i feel you can still get that can blitz off the corner now. Will they do it as well as does now. But you know you can play in there. And he and he can bless believe he'd be as good a blitzer as he's not. He's not he's not he's your carpet. He's going to be a better coverage thing hilton is yes so yeah. It's the way it all works together is so great it would. If let's just say this if the steelers keep three and one of them is not mike hilton. Then you're talking about that. That's just you couldn't keep them all and you add to keep what what service allowed you to do. The most if the steelers keep three and one of them is my kilcullen. That tells me. But james pierre is going to be the real deal and they know it. He just needs a little bit of time to get there. That's my opinion. you can let someone else go if you think he's going to be that good. Do you agree Yeah if you think he's going to be the real deal then you can afford to let of other guys go instead. Yes i think you i. I think that's right. I think yeah bottom line is are we with with extended in both of those guys. That's the big question. Do you wanna do you wanna do that. Do you want to tie up. I mean i think not extending steven nelson would be very foolish here. I think he should be home. After ben roethlisberger. When you're talking extensions i would almost put him priority in one when it comes to extensions now some people like well what about. Tj's the i'm not. I'm not talking about that you know. Tj can still play on his fifth year option. They could do his deal next year. Some people think that's foolish like now you could you tag him and sign them and to continue to do that because personally i still think. Ten million dollars for tj is still a steel. You know so and we don't want to forget about justin lane. Someone brought up in life china. Just having to look down and said he'll have a shot this year. yes he will. The thing is is how much you want to have to bank on them so their options but to me. If you're only going to keep here you go. I'm going to blow your mind. Four guys get to keep one keep it one. Yeah i've got it narrowed down to i do too. Yeah and i'm going to go ahead and say steven nelson okay. That's where i lean into. But it'd be really tempting to go with camp sutton because the but if you have other guys that can play outside. I'm really worried about the steelers slot corner position. If they can't keep either hilton or sudden. I mean i i. I don't believe justin. Lane or james. Pierre's built to be that person doesn't mean that they can't an hooton may be the steelers. Have the whole idea of moving. Joe haden there but i don't. I don't think that's a good move to do now with the way hayden's playing on the outside Down right now. I mean if they could keep all these guys i mean they'd be in great shape great shape yet. I said if if kim colbert and marquan could sit down and figure out how to keep all four all four guys at a cap hit. That is no different than the two they currently have for just this one year. I say you do it okay. So you're talking about if you can get all four for a cat hit of. I'm going around it. Wow that's that's within within five thousand dollars for being being right on to a period of thirty thousand dollars. I think that can be done. I think they could come in under that if both both those two extended and bring in the other two with the signing bonuses to start. i think. I think that's doable. I think that's a win. I think that's a win. They do that. It would be to where we're doing the best we can to keep these shows from going crazy in the offseason like we did last week. We just kept going and going and going. Dave got dave got scolded wasn't just me It wasn't just you got. Yeah i know but you know we we. We try to say what we're going to do we. We need to stick with what we're gonna do. You wanna take five minutes in nature just a few questions before we put our question there couple rand does. Let's get a couple of. Yeah let's get some. let's get me about it. Could be about the cornerback. Stuff it could be about. Ben rothlisberger it could be. Let's try to keep it steelers related and we're obviously not going to get to all of them but we'll we'll get to what we can. You can use the super chat. Don't feel like you have your check. It's alright we can just get him out there. This good question already go fast. I'm andrew if jackson could be signed for what we could save by cutting trading nelson or hayden. Should we sign him. Will jackson the third and trade one of our corners for a third And that urban meyer might want aidan from college or something with that connection. Would you be willing to win. Bring in someone. Like a william jackson to me. The only reason i'd make that move as if it's if you're give. You are getting rid of either hater nelson partners and i. I don't know that. I would do that out of familiarity but good question. I don't know that i'd go that route but if the money works you know everything you do has to be there with the with the money. So great question interest for it. I know some people. I'm afraid william jackson's going to be a lot more than that. That's the thing that i think you'd take more. Tom wants to know. He says there's rumors the steelers are targeting former players. That are coming from other teams. Like finney jesse james and other another stuff. I did a thing about kelvin. Beach him right. Not killing beat. You gentlemen sasha free agents. I could see him going back to steelers. You think as other former steelers get cut. You think they're coming. He's gifts jesse. James ends up. A a cap casualty would not surprise me. One bit the see him back the black and gold banking on it. 'cause i yeah exactly and cbj finney give. Her both could be both could end up being cap casualties. But i mean. Bj finney did not play an offensive snap in the nfl last year between seattle and cincinnati. He not play any offensive snaps so very interesting so what would teach signed long-term steal a check if this was pretty simple in my mind the steelers deep. He will play this year on the ten million dollar fifth year option of his rookie deal. The steelers will then put the french franchise tag on him and they will work out An extended contract before that deadline. That's what i bank onto. Is there still the possibility that could do with this off season. Yes there is. But i don't think it has to be done and frankly the only way to do it is if it actually knocks down this year's cap hit because there's so much of a signing bonus spread out over i think only spread it over five years so even if they signed like a six year deal with matter so It would really depend on. There's numbers cre- wants to know. Do the steelers drafted defensive players. Well being having my degree in mathematics the tissot toby. Yes now wouldn't even be shocked if that's their first draft pick inspires me either going to need to add some depth that edge and honestly if the right inside linebackers there to pair with devon bush that would just be like boom like we talk about the linebacker from tulsa that. I don't think collinses his name somebody like that. I could see steelers doing that. And i wouldn't have a problem with it. They're going to add at least two defensive players but remember the steelers are going to add most likely have at least one if not two compensatory draft picks and they're on the verge it's funny because two of the picture so close to each other based on the the the valuation of them. They could lose. Both of them are actually get both of them because one of them is barely in at one of. Them's barely out so It'll be interesting to see. That should be coming up. Here in march You got the next question. Port says if we signed. Jj shouldn't what brothers have to wear thick black glasses and one of the punch myles garrett during warm ups that would be hilarious. Great i love that so And like people saved if. jj goes to cleveland. that's a complete betrayal. so he's not going to cleveland. yeah junior stand this question. Talented better inside. Linebacker officers tackle does it means to draft. I'm not sure we went have to skip over. That one wasn't sure what he meant there. You have my shortage either. So sorry about that tyler. Joseph you can keep one free agent who would it be but you keep regardless of money see to me. It's not it's not even. It's not bud. Because i still big on that cost of a replacement and you have high smith right. They're going same with a lot of other things even with even with juju because you got more wide receivers behind him honestly it. It'd be one of the corner sir me right now. The way. I'm leaning just especially based on what i think their salary would bring Or honestly probably my best tyson aloe aloe by mac. I just really like him and thought he was fantastic this year. Let's do two more. Okay jen so you get one. I'll get one okay so here. We i didn't even read it from todd. He said the steelers draft a quarterback or or possibly is it going to be like jay harris back. Home i don't see them drafting. If you're talking first round pick is what. I'm assuming here if if you're gonna go quarterback go big even with ben roethlisberger supposedly coming back Michael beck. I think as an article that he's working on that says with ben coming back even be a bigger reason to to to maybe. Go get a quarterback this year. If you're going to do it go do it. Make the move. Get the guy. Don't just pick a guy who just happens to be there when you really want was already gone. I'm not big on first running backs. Because i don't see the steelers keeping running back super long term beyond their rookie deals. So i don't know from what i've seen is. There's not a large drop off to a couple of good running backs. It could be there the second. I'm really big on the one guy out of north carolina that could be there and it is what it is. So what do you think rich. I spent too much time on that. Yeah you know. I kind of glazed over looking for another question to take quarterback off the table this year. Do you think it's a possibility. It's still a possibility Probably more likely next year. You're after we're gone like jeff harmon. If you're going go get someone. Go get trae lance. I mean you're not going to be able to go get trevor lawrence. So if you're gonna get someone go get trae lance who didn't play this year because of be in the f. c. s. I think you have one game right that then that gives them a year. Whatever if going to do it do it. But you don't have to do it. I'm gonna take the last question because the superjet work Tyler has by five dollars to join that. Meant to say do we. Draft of offensive tackle. Were inside linebacker. The first round i still. Here's yet tyler. 'cause i need to see what the steelers new right now in terms of who leads who potentially resigns That you know what happens over the next you know. Let's see the free agent period Seventeenth the legal tampering the fifteenth fifteenth breaking officially. Sign the sign on the seventeenth. Yeah we'll within a week or so. After that time things will start to line up a little better and that will be a little easier if you were to ask me my thoughts right now. My thought is a little bit depends on. Who's there. I agree with dave if that perfect inside. Linebacker is there to pair with devon bush over the next few years. I don't see how you could pass on that. Yeah what if one of those great offensive tackles as slid down a little further than you'd expect be kind of tough not to go get that too so if they're both there. Wow you're inside tackle. You thought okay we're gonna. We're going to tackle if they're both. They're a specific tackle. That they thought might not be there for but they really like and is pacific inside linebacker. Thought we would be there that you would be there that you really liked. They're both available. What do you do again. I can't say. I don't know you're you're giving a dave answer. Well do we. Do we have roberts explain. Yeah no we had right but you understand what i'm saying. Yes who's in our inside linebacker through food or up on the room it that works a lot as to what we wanna do. If things are all said and unequal. I mean i watched last year senior bowl looking at the tight end because it was so obvious the steelers we're going to need to draft a tight end now. They didn't. they signed eric. Ebron you know something like that could happen and that could change everything. But if you you've got to go out from now tyler. That's a great question. I'm saying if you go into the going into the draft before the first player's name called. I'm thinking i'm that there's going to be a good offensive. Tackle that's available to me inside linebackers. Just going to be one of those things that the steelers will be doing their due diligence and if it falls in your lap you might just have to say we can't pass it up. I mean remember how upset people were. They drafted juju smith schuster in the second round because we needed a corner so bad but guess what they're like. He was just too good to not there to pass up in that spot and they were right. Some good all right. We need it. We need to get to the big question. We need to get to the big question. So do you have any or as we like to call it. The rapid the rapid fire the rapid fire questions where we throw out one question. I which other and then we will put it in the in the live chat and we will bring your bring up your your midway. You look too quick. I don't have one if you go ahead so we are going to go with this okay. We're i mean. I'm sure we've talked bad lunch. We've just got to do it got to go. Let's go with either or of the two free agent to free agent quarterbacks we've answered already you can only sign wine. I know we would ultimately love the signed both of them. But we're gonna try to get the pulse of the tse live. Chat is if you could only get one. Here comes now in the live chat. We've already answered it. Are you going hilton or sutton. You can only pick one who is gonna be so we already know that you say if you could only do one you would go sudden. That guy rose going he saying sutton so just based on the versatility didn't it. You gotta get cree has hilton. Ezra has hilton. Shaquille has sutton. Kathy has now. We're doing this assuming that both of the other guys were still here. That we still have both eight nelson right. So what would be the other one steeler fan seventy four sutton game is that one must that i is that burner bernie jane and bert do by. The way is in maui. I saw i saw you what you came on and said hey from from maui hawaii so enjoy at that profile picture like they're just not too far from where tar there at heinz field and they say they see sutton donald nolan sets. I know i'm going to skip another's. Go jump on me. Aj says sudden steel dog. Eighty-eight hilton george. Testing hilton was going with the proper spelling. The stylus sidon. We wanna type too fast Steelers pittsburgh says hilton. Just me says sudden. Robert ellison sutton k. sudden better in coverage i agree sends bettering coverage but hilton does add that element that you know have otherwise so therefore he said he was taking sudden. Yeti says sutton chad says sutton todd says hilton. Let's toast media says sutton double lewis skipped on me. I gotta go back and find you got tied him so fast is going crazy. Bubble h says shame. What does this shade by the curtain sudden. Tom says hilton k. So let's see josh. What he say josh says hilton gives lane or draft. Pick your to be room okay. Yeah i think it's here to be groomed personally. Sam says sutton. Andrew wilder says sudden a steeler cheek. Forty six we say her hilton. Okay justin conway says hilton. I think i got donald sutton already. Man this is this is. We're split pretty hard. We reginald says sutton because hilton struggles with his coverage. A dark storm once as sutton though. It's very close Of route where he says. I like hilton more. I get it. Okay tyler w says healton without blitzburgh coming off the blitz. Yep josh smith said hilton. I think we already got him. Then we i love ezra's robertson carry have the the the yeah the twenty-three-year-old rod woodson not the with the goal jacket Yes derwin says. Hilton ryan's sandalls hilton. But because he loves those blitzes. I missed it went away. I skipped again. Awesome stuff thousand eight hundred. I don't know the question but sutton thank you awesome now. A lotta people getting into discussion about which is great. Henry manual says sutton That extra blacks this. It's it's close. It really is an honestly. What sutton and i totally understand. Why some really like hit hilton because they love the. Let's coming off the slot and i don't blame you. I love that blitz coming off the slot. That's why that's why we need. Omar work some money matt. Yeah some some money magic and we find a way to keep all four guys. Most those says sutton for him. Yeah i mean that we need to work the magic and see if you can keep them all. That's the best because honestly that's the answer. I think almost every person chat would say if we gave him that question of. Yes you keep in one. Or both. I was gonna say both get so this is this is crazy this is this is interesting that the situation they're in. I think they can make this work. I think organism. What instead you before we close out the show here anything else. You have here for some closing thoughts before. I give you mine just again. That thanks to folks come through here in the live chat both with questions thoughts on hilton and sutton you all show in what you showed with the hilton sudden question. Make me feel a lot better about being so torn on it myself. 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Standard is the Standard: Steelers are surging, but plenty of questions remain

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Standard is the Standard: Steelers are surging, but plenty of questions remain

"Pittsburgh, Steeler fans welcome to another episode of the standard is the standard. I'm Jeff Harmon editor of behind the steel curtain dot com. And I welcome everyone to this by week. Addition of the standard is a standard. This is the longest running podcast on behind the steel curtain dot com. I normally end this show talking about this, but I wanted to start the show this time talking about this. And what I'm saying is that I hope wherever you're listening or wherever you're watching the, you understand that you can see our podcast and here are or podcast and silly platforms. Now, since we joined the SP nation group of podcast for the NFL brand sites, you can find us on Spotify. You can find on I tunes, you always have been able to. You can also find us on Google play, stitch art nineteen. Everywhere you look, you'll find CB behind the curtain podcast. That's the standard is a standard that is also the Steelers, hang. Over the Steelers postgame show and Steelers previous all of our weekly shows right there for your viewing pleasure. Now you might be wondering it seems like Jess by himself. I am by myself at least for now are my co-host lands. Williams is stuck in traffic. He will be here shortly, and I want to start the show by saying, we're also could have another guest wouldn't have Chris Carter from decay, Pittsburgh, sports dot com. Who used to be a contributor at behind steel curtain dot com on to talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers and his experience so far this year in the locker room. When the Steelers play at home folks, he's in the locker room. He's asking questions. He's in the press box. He has a very unique perspective on this thousand eighteen Steelers teams. If you're watching live on YouTube right now on opening this up for questions before I get to talking about some of the burning questions still remain. That's kind of the topic of this episode because there's really no nothing to preview. We can look back. Back at the Bengals victory. But at the same time, there's a lot of questions still lingering with his team in the by week is the perfect time to go over it. So I wanna just make sure that if you're watching live on YouTube, I have the the live chat open as we speak, and I wanted to see if we could get some question answers going right off the bat, not a bad time to do it. So already see one in that is from our Kevin Colbert. Wow. I didn't know he was a viewer of the show, but he is. He said, can we bench Artie burns and trade for Patrick Peterson? Well, in a perfect world, it would be that easy in the Madden generation. It is that easy. It's the okay. Ardy burns. You're not playing well, so we're gonna bench you and we're going to go out and make a blockbuster trade and get Patrick Peterson. But at the same time. It's not real life Steelers don't have a lot of salary cap space as it is. I don't know who they would trade. I don't think the cardinals want Levy on bell concerned. They have David Johnson, nor do they want to spend that much money on a running back. They just gave David Johnson big contracts. I think for me that it's kind of wishful thinking. It's different scenario than when they got Joe Haden in my opinion. But at the same time I wrote an article today really good quotes by Artie burns, or I should say Joe Haden and Tom Bradley, his new secondary coach for the Steelers talking about Artie burns. Joe rudder of the Pittsburgh Tribune review had his broken down. I took them and put them in an article about how the Steelers cannot afford to give up on burns just yet another question by Austin, this is is any hope for Artie burns. In my opinion, there is still hope because I, I've watched this kid in no one expected big. Things that have him as a rookie, but he didn't play all that bad when he was inserted into the lineup in the second half of the season. Sure. He had his gaffes, but a lot of rookies do second year up and down the air. But again, he showed some promise. He showed enough flashes that people were excited for your three year. Three comes in now of a sudden it's a dumpster fire. He's not. He doesn't look like a player that has any confidence at all left in him. He looks like he is mentally drained. Enjo- Hayden might have put a best. We said, look, we all can use this by week just to step away just to kind of get our Gary back in line and maybe get our minds right. The Steelers have, I've obviously been on the fence with Artie burns. You wouldn't have he and Cody Sensabaugh splitting reps if you were sold on him being the guy. But at the same time, the Steelers invested a number of first round draft pick in Ardy birds. So all the people, the one benched. But he was benched against natty and that final drive one at nattered the most, the people that want him gone. They're not going to get rid of this guy now will impact their the fifth year option. Absolutely it will, but he's not going anywhere. And if the Steelers could somehow get this kid to play up to his potential because he still does have a centrally as speed, he's long, he's rangy, but he still has his mental mistakes in. That's something they have to get get over. So they're not gonna. They're not gonna banned already burns, nor should they abandoned already burns just yet in my mind. But at the same time, keystone wolford's have good point, October thirtieth, which is the trade deadline is going to it's a project quickly. So the Steelers, if they're gonna make a move, I doubt it's for Patrick Peterson, they would have to do so pretty soon. Okay. Let's see here. Any other questions? How about a pass rusher for bell? Depre- is not. The guy Duprey is not having a blockbuster year. I wouldn't say that, but did anyone expect him to have a blockbuster year? The Steelers picked up his fifty rob Shen in a lot of fans freaked out when they did that, there's they get, oh my gosh, this guy has done anything. He's a bomb yet yada. We called him dud Duprey on this show before. But the fact of the matter is the fifth year option can be taken back whenever they want unless he gives injured look at Ryan shazier because he was injured and they picked up his fifth year option. He then is guaranteed money, but depre- I think he does what the Steelers ask them to do. Well, he is athletic. He covers well in the obviously against the past, and ultimately what he lacks in pass, rushing technique. He's not of on. Type he makes up for that. Lettuces them. The problem is that even with that of lettuces them, sometimes it leaves a lot to be desired. So with bud Duprey, the Steelers will stick with him just like, I just talked about Artie burns. He's not going anywhere. I doubt they even cut him. I think they probably do keep him on the fifth year option because he is playing a little bit better. He's getting sacks. I wanna say he might have three sacks on the season right now. I could be wrong if you were, if you had the stats in front of you and you're in the live chat, let me know, but ultimately with budget pre can't he just drawn attention to free? Everyone else up. That's my question is he not constantly just gonna run up the arcade and take himself out of the play, or what is new favorite move is act like he's press up the arc do a really weird spin in inside role that doesn't work and just get stoned by the tackle. He has to. Draw. Some attention has proven it. He's a little bit more polished as a pass. Rusher. The remember folks, this is not heck. I wanna say, this isn't your grandparents, three, four defense isn't even my three, four defense when I was a kid back in the nineties when you had Kevin Greene, Greg Lloyd in the net transitioned into Joey porter Clark aliens. James Harrison, Lamar Woodley, Jason guild in Jason, world's all these players that rattling off where the traditional three, four, dick lebeau style or Dom Capers back in the nineties rush the quarterback. Now you can always remember lease. I do that image of Bill cower talking to Greg would on the sideline and hitting his patchwork, begging rush the quarterback basically saying, you have one job, rush the quarterback, that's it will now that's not the case. You would never see Keith Butler. Mike Tomlin hitting bud depre- j. watt saying, rush the quarterback. No, they'd say, we want you to rush the quarter. Evac sometimes, but we also want you to cover the flat drop back into your zone makes you can cover the inside. Make sure you set the edge. There's a lot more to it. Now. Defense has got more sophisticated, so yes to pre is not playing well. But again, did anyone expect him to blow the doors off? I think I projected him at. I think we said the over under preseason was six or seven acts for debris. He's on pace to break that Mark, and I think that's a pretty. That's a pretty good sign. No one is expecting a double digit season from him if he does awesome. But I don't think anyone's expecting that. So. There you go, but depre- he and burns boy, they kind of like, you know, when you think about it, it just the the way that the first round pick a lot of people wondering, are they really first round talent? Did the Steelers reach? What are they? How are they gonna fit both very raw, very athletic, but can they become the polish player that you wanted those physicians in those positions a cornerback and outside linebacker. The technicians are one of those are typically the people that perform the best you look. Von Miller is I said earlier about, does he the way he approaches the pass rush is so awesome to watch. I watched YouTube clip in he was working with other players some in college, some young pros about what he does to set up his pass, rush news is, is a chess match. I recommend everyone check it out, but still at the same time, but depre- is not in category. Never has been daddy ever will be. All right. So let's see if we have any other questions here. Some people are asking about Marcus Allen. Mark is Allen, in my opinion, he was hurt most of training camp and of someone directly Melvin thank you. He does have three sacks, bright mine powers people. Marcus Allen was injured most of training camp and I failed. It only reason he was given a roster spot was potential. It's special teams and they didn't want him to get picked up by someone else. I think they like Marcus Allen. But at the same time I think they realize he's not ready. He's not ready to see eleven on eleven defensive football and where does he fit? And that's done. Ask yourself. He's thumper. He's the guy that wants to play in the box and attack the run and hit the shallow crosses. He's not a guy that can cover well. So you have Sean Davis now at the free safety position, and he's done a very good job. I hope fans realize that then you Terrell Edmonds. He's been playing instead of Morgan Burnett because brunettes been hurt. Where does Marcus Allen fitness? Equation. Jordan Dangerfield got the helmet instead of him last week when Burnett was at again, that should tells you a lot. So I think they basically taking this red shirt season from Arcus Allen, barring a lot of injuries, and maybe the end of the season, he'll be seeing special teams play. I don't know, but I think it's like a red shirt season and then it will see. All right. Some people still talking to Artie burns. Let's hear Patrick Peterson talking then. I guess we talked Patrick Peterson. I don't think that's going to happen. It's a nice thought though. Let's see here. Yeah, case mood rights, Joe Haden. He's talking about Joe Haden e. Joe Hayden is doing a great, a great job, not just on the defensive side of the football, not just physically. I should say. He's also doing a tremendous job in communicating. This is a guy that is in a. I wish I had a clip that I could just kind of insert here. Go back to the Jacksonville, playoff loss and two thousand seventeen, and you've just go back to what those pre snap looks look life for the Steelers. If you remember, it literally looked like chickens running around with their heads cut off. You had two players. They were pointing this way and that way, and they're motioning one way and another guy's crossing someone else often this and it went to it was chaos that's best way to describe it. It was nothing but pure chaos, mill one new, what anyone's responsibilities were. No one knew anything. A lot of that could be pinned to the fact that Ryan shazier was the leader in the communicator in the hub of that defense in terms of communicating to the back end communicating to the front, really making those calls. And so without Shazia your thinking, okay, what are they going to do? Who's gonna do that Sean Spence on a couch? No, Vince Williams maybe. He, but he wasn't even experienced enough. So now it's Joe Haden if you watch, that's especially in the back end in the secondary is really keeping everything calm. When you see trail Edmonds kind of moving around a lot, and you see other guys communicating is just Joe Haden. It's calming people down, and it should be noted that the game that he missed in week two against the cheese was when the secondary looked like a dumpster fire, he needed. Who else I would put in this category in terms of defense of most valuable player is Mike Hilton. Both of these players, Stu so much more than just their physical attributes on the football field. Yet they're playing tremendous football, but they're also so valuable to the defense and so many different ways it's worth talking about because if you're talking about most valuable player it, that's what I hate about Evie p voting anymore. People think Evy peop- is just the best player. It's the pay player of the best attested. That's not necessarily case in. My opinion. I think the MVP should be the most valuable player to whatever team or unit whatever the case may be. And so for me, Joe Hayden is by far the most valuable player on the Steelers defense right now I ask you if you're watching on YouTube right now in. I'm honestly saying like, let me know if he can think of someone else that is more valuable right now to this dealers events, Joe Haden. I love you more than willing to listen and to see what you think. But to me, it's Joe Haden in Mike, he'll might if it's one, a one b might be Mike Hilton because when my hilt missed, what did they miss that guy to? Because his blitzing off the edge, his his ability to cover into into tackle folks. He is a good tackler. I'm not saying he never misses a tackle, but he's a good tackler and that's something that deceives desperately need. I knew it was going to say this. Someone said, Cameron Heyward. I get that. He's the defensive captain and that's beyond approach in terms of what he brings to the field. He's a, he's a hustler. He never quits on a play, but in terms of value on the field. If Cam Hayward went down in Joe Haden and everyone was still healthy, I feel like they could probably get by with their defense in the way that they have it set up. Would it be as good? No, but I still think they could get by Joe Haden goes down, you're screwed in and that that brings value with that. Still believe that brings with it because of Joe Haden goes down. Now, all of a sudden what you thought was a a very plentiful quarterback situation with Cameron sodden and Cody, sensible and already burns. You take Hayden the equation. Now the sudden Ardy burns thrust into store role. Again, we talked about already burns at length earlier this podcast, and then you have Cameron sudden, is he ready? Is Cody Sensabaugh starter? That's what we call a recipe for disaster in my opinion. So Cameron Heyward deserves a lot of credit for the work that he does, and he's a captain for a reason. I am not discrediting. King Cameron Hayward at any way, stretch shape or form. But in terms of value, I don't think that he's more valuable than Hayden at this time, definitely at this time. Okay. So let's see if we have any other questions here. All right, here we go. Russ asked, why do we? We being the Steelers not use Roosevelt next more on blocking behind some. The biggest runs Knicks is blocking. Hits it's it has sprung. Some big runs, though. He goes crazy to me. I go back two weeks when they beat the falcons. I was really excited with seeing Roosevelt Knicks on the field more. And when I looked up the snap counts of that game, I was stunned when I saw that. I think you'll play eight offense of snaps in several of those were on the in a goal line situation. I don't think Ben Rothlisberger likes to have a full back on the field. I think that's what it comes down to like. A lot of people ask this question all the time they want they using Roosevelt next more. I don't think the quarterback likes to have a fullback on the football field because he can't throw the ball to him that much. Even though Roosevelt next has caught passes. He has shown that he can catch. I think that's honestly the reason why you don't see Roosevelt Knicks on the field that much Roosevelt necks can do it. And I think there's a time and place for him to do his job in terms of leave block. Cking. But again, this isn't Bill cowers. Offense isn't Mike malarkey with Dan Kreider leading the waiver Drome beddis Willie Parker. This is this is a new style. Offense is an offense that is going to see a lot of shotgun. A lot of single back looks. You're looking at eleven and twelve personnel all the time and even heck now the Steelers would rather put out three tight ends, then use their fullback more often. Why versatility that's what it comes down to you put out Vance, McDonald's eight, your grumble and Jesse James, all three of those players. Not only can they block of wouldn't say they're super blockers, but they can block, but they can also are they also viable threats in the passing game as well. So you can throw Xavier grumble and Vance McDonald in a bunch formation on the right side and you can run it to the right. Give yourself extra blockers, or you can play action and have some options open over the middle. That's what the Steelers wanna do. Those of the mismatch is they went to create. So as much as. I love Roosevelt necks and what he brings the Steelers. That's probably why he's just not playing as much in the offense is because when he's in there, it limits what they can do. It limits personnel options in. That's not what the Steelers that's now a Denver office burger light to do. I should also mention that a couple people on behind the curtain dot com has said, why would the Steelers give Roosevelt next contract? If he's not gonna play people forgetting his value on special teams. Pros of nicks. One of the best specialties player players in the AFC and he's proven that time and time. Again, both on kick you kicking units and on blocking units. Like on field goal blocks, especially pump blocks. He's had one pub block, punt block easy for me to say this year. So Roosevelt makes value goes beyond fullback in also special teams player and the contract he signed was not ridiculous. It was worthy of what he does for the team. So to be honest, that's why, in my opinion, Roosevelt next does not. See field more. Do I think he should see field more? It's tough to say yes. When when it's the Steelers commit to running the football and I want to say that it's getting James, Connor almost twenty carries. He goes over one hundred without him being out there that often. So in terms of the Steelers in the way that they look at things and they might probably look at analytics and statistics in breakdowns and they're gonna see, we can run the ball without him being in the lineup lot, and it gives us a lot more versatility. So there you go. That's for me. All right. Let's see if we have anyone else. Any other questions here we go. Got Steph onto it. Melvin cyst deaf onto it has been missing an action. His first sack last week. I thought the same thing and I was kind of disappointed that Steph onto didn't have a breakout season. I think last year because of his injury, he towards biceps early. A lot of people were thinking he this year, he breaks out, he's healthy. He's got his money. Let's see it, you know, break out. Let's let's see. Big year in it hasn't happened, but you know, Dale Wally who writes for decay Pittsburgh sports dot com. When Chris Carter joins us, hopefully here in a few minutes, I'd love to ask him about it. Daily wrote a really interesting article and the change in the Steelers defense when the Steelers defense started to improve mainly looking at the falcons game and then going into the Bengals game. He mentioned how the defense and Keith Butler. And probably also by proxy Mike Tomlin decided to change the way they were handling their defensive alignments and especially their defensive front, no longer were they asking Cameron Heyward and Steph onto to just pin their ears back and go after the quarterback, they're asking the now to do what breath keys will did. Casey Hampton did and what. Aaron Smith did when he was on the line and that is, we want you to eat up lockers, plug the holes in lead the linebacker slow to the ball. This is where the f. lettuce, ISM TJ watt, bud Duprey. And if someone like j. fort if he can get in the lineup more, it's another good athlete that has good lateral speed can run sideline to sideline. That's what they want them to do. That doesn't mean that they're not going to be rushing the quarterback and they're not gonna try to collapse the pocket and get interior pressure. I just think that they're gonna limit their opportunities to just try and get after the quarterback. So that might be one of the reasons why Steph onto its numbers in terms of Saxe are not as great, but it should work in tandem if two and Hayward sacks get lower, big o. down, but someone else's go up, whether that's t. j. watt, whether that's depre-, then they're doing their job. So that could be a reason why that could be a reason why we don't see as much production from Steph onto it. I think they're. Going to pick their spots. And that's also why we've seen more Dan mccullers in less j von Hargrave. This season, they're playing almost even split time, but dammit colors went from playing six naps in season two, almost six to eight snaps, maybe even more in a game. That's a pretty big switch in. It's because of this shift in philosophy, so to speak on the defensive front and who's to say, this isn't working. Teams aren't running on the Steelers as they had been. They're not putting a point, they held the high powered falcons offense, which was averaging thirty points game to seventeen points believed the Cincinnati Bengals. Offense was averaging almost thirty points. They held them to twenty one in until that last drive. They looked really good. So that's kind of my, that's that's what I read into it as a great piece by Dale Ali, I recommend you check that out if you haven't in terms of exactly what is going on possibly with, you know Steph onto worse. His numbers wise need playing well, all that. Stuff. So okay, Vance, McDonald case music, just plain simple vans, don's of beast. You know, it's funny to me, and I think I might have said this on our post game show. Everyone wanted this guy gone, you know, he has the ankle does a foot injury. I apologize. He has a foot injury until he's sitting out preseason training camp many all this stuff. He's he's out and no one season. No one hears from it. It Domus if the Steelers hit him from the media's very rare that it's very rare that you see. Like, you know, we're going to interview Vance dominancy how closely as you just didn't hear a lot about him. And so then he misses week. One in Steeler fans are pissed in their pissed because they picked this guy up. The Steelers pick this guy up in a trade with the forty Niners. They gave up draft pick for him and what have we seen from him last year was riddled with ankle and shoulder injuries, and it's like, it seemed like it was starting off that way. We to not much week three Monday night will. That's when the stiff arm happened in. That's obviously when he's just picked up and I, it's, he is a beast that is the deaths way of put it. It's. One of those things where I incredible to me when I see how he changes the offense. He's his speed. That's something that Lance my coz Lance, William set on the post game show Jesse, James is okay, but he doesn't have it looks like he's running in quicksand. That's the best way put it. He just has no lateral quickness. He has no quickness in general, whether that's lateral unilateral doesn't matter vans McDonald for his big as he is a fast man. He's a big man, and he is willing to dish out some punishment. I guarantee you when Audie watching film of the Steelers offense, they're telling their defensive ax. If you get this guy, one on one don't expect him to run out of bounds because he's not running out of bounds. He's going right at you. And he said that after the Monday night game in the win over Tampa Bay, he is trying to inflict punishment. And I think right when he said that Ray when he said that, and Steeler fans heard that it's almost like their heart fluttered a little bit. Say like, oh, this is the guy we've been waiting for since heath Miller left. You know that the guy that embodies the Pittsburgh Steelers, the blue collar town, the steel workers, which don't exist in Pittsburgh game. But anyways, that's kind of the reputation. The Steelers have. He fits that mold. He fits a lot of molds as Steeler fans will like. And I think that's why he's definitely come on. But you know, the funny thing is, is that let's be honest, it's still a small sample size Vance McDonald. His health is key. I've been watching his hands because I remember when the Steelers picked him of Lia trade. I reached out to David Chiloe of the forty Niners website the Niners nation website for SP nation, and I met him in broad. I've I've been impersonal. Let's have he's a great guy. I said, a Dave food is what we call them food. What's the deal Vance McDonald? I don't nothing about this guy in all he said was. Health issues meeting he's injury. Prone second round pick was overdrafted out of rice and questionable hands. So after that glowing review from someone that covers the forty Niners that would know the most about this guy. I was very wary, advanced McDonald. I'll be totally honest, very, as Neha dance freely. You know what he's shown that his hands of improved inlets beat people wanna talk about a player's hands. James, Connor is another one that people talk about his hands and how he can't catch who's throwing the football to who was who, who was his quarterback in San Francisco. It wasn't Jimmy Garoppolo. He wasn't there when Jimmy g. zehr I don't even know who it was. Trying to think wasn't captured. Wasn't Jimmy g. I'm trying to think who was the interim quarterback was Brian aware at some point. I don't know regardless. It, they weren't good. It wasn't a signature. It wasn't a signature name. When you think of quarterbacks, it wasn't a Brady, wasn't a Rogers. It wasn't a breeze. It wasn't a manning and it wasn't a Rothlisberger side. Think that now he's in a system where it can feature him. Ben Rothlisberger is gonna put the football where he should be putting the football and Vance McDonald has not had any jobs. I did fumble the ball twice. Once he lost once was recovered by juju Smith Schuster last week, that concerns me a little bit, but ultimately in terms of his hands, I think he's a great job. He's doing a great job. He is a monster, the Vanimo as they call them. Awesome. So here we go. Let's keep on moving here. Thomas says, we need that type of Roosevelt next pound. The rock. At the end of the game dominated team, he didn't thing is Thomas said, they died. They did that without him against an Atty. I mean, they impose their will on the Bengals and they didn't need Roosevelt next the whole time when they did use Roosevelt necks at times was down the goal line in the red zone. When they went two for four now they scored on, obviously he had two rushing touchdowns. I'm not taking that away, but the two times where it was first in goal from the one yard liner in and they failed to put it in the end. The Roosevelt next was on the field a couple of time. So it's not just him. Let's keep that in mind. The dig and still run the ball offense of line. The CEO's offensive line has not given up a sack only one quarterback hip hit in two games. That's unheard of in today's NFL I'll say it again. No sacks only one quarterback hit in two games. I know the Lanta falcons defenses in that. Great, but Cincinnati's defense, everyone's talking about how great they are. I didn't see it personally. Okay. Let's see if we can get on here and looks like I have have my co host here. Joining me here in a second. Here we'll do one more. Frank says, what's up James, Washington. He's add thought he was going to contribute more. Could we have used that pick, say, on an inside linebacker instead of keeping or keep Bryant for one more year. James, Washington is a tough one for me because I don't know. I have. I haven't watched him enough on the all twenty two to be able to see what's really going on because he's getting this naps. He really is getting ads getting the time. Then not orga may not believe in any might not trust them, but he's getting the lows. So ultimately from me, I'm not sure what's going on. Jane's Washington. We'll see. I think the via week will do him. Well, I think he's gonna get some much needed repetitions in practice. And I think that ultimately he's gonna be better. And speaking of, I don't know what's going on as I don't know what's going on with Lance Williams, what's up lands? How's it going. I'm here finally, one apologize listeners for getting to my own show late. But you know, sometimes that's how it is and sorry for not wearing the mask yet. You coward what the hell. You guys got to come up with something else. Van to mask is hot. It's just it's a little hot is kind kinda hard to manage maintain, but but I'll do this listeners, I'll I'll volunteer to go clean shaven like Jeff, so we'll go cliche, hold on. I know we're not doing this. You can do the clean shaven thing, but I think every post game if the Steelers win. So after the bye week and we do a post game show you have to wear the mask until they lose. I think that's only fair, I'll I'll let you. Okay. Okay, I'll do that. I'll do that every post game. Yes, I'll let you off the hook with the standard, but ultimately, I think that you need to buck up with the. You're right, you're right. Reputation is made of still. It's funny because as as Lance joins the show, so does our special guest tonight. Chris Carter, he used to be. Hey, of behind the steel curtain dot com. CC how's it going? My friend. How are you school? A great man. I'm a car right now, but things things are going. Well, thanks for having me on this show, man. It's it's been a minute. What leads you you guys? I'm trying to get on your show, try to have young show and it's like, why does this happen? Every week? I don't know your to Massey. See you. Tell you what the plan so. You know if your world CC we just try to catch up what you. Oh, man, it's trust me if it was my world. Lot of different things be happen. Yes, Chris, this your first guest since we've transitioned over to YouTube on this show, I've had you on our Steelers one on one show in the off-season. Several times, Chris, you've been in the locker room. You're in the press box at these games when they're at Heinz field, I wanna get a few from you about what you think has changed. Not so much from an Xs and os standpoint, because we talk about that stuff all the time. Is there anything the you've seen that could be tangible? The you think is you've seen change in the Steelers these past two weeks where all the sudden it, it looks like a different football team. Have you seen anything that that is of? It's noteworthy. I should say us, I say to coming together, learn how to play with each other because I can tell you right now there several times I wrote about this on Carter's classroom that the middle of the defense, if you think about it, it's completely different than it was last year other than Vince Williams Sean Davis's, playing new position, Morgan Burnett who can't even get on the field. Terrell Edmonds was rookie, John Boston, who's a new addition. And after that, you still you're still trying to figure out what to do l. j. fort and tell him it's who are still trying to figure everything out. I mean, the entire middle of the defense is is is practically learning how to play with each other again. And I said this, if you look back to two thousand sixteen when shave zero. And Vince Williams and Mike Mitchell and Sean Davis will learn to play together. It took them about eight or eight or nine weeks before they started to come together and look like a a good group. And I think that's a huge difference is not just playing well on your own, but playing well together. And I think that's been a huge point of emphasis for me at least watching this team, but also you look around on the offense. The offense of line is really coming together. They're figuring out what ways best work with Connors, running styles, and the more and more I look at, I think they're just they're, they're learning how to play with each other. And this is just what good teams I do in the NFL. You come out if things don't click right away, you find ways to make them click. You keep working at an event. You grow as a group because not all the time and most most teams do not just come out and just hit, hit it on fire. And as we've seen over the past, what twelve years now, the teams that start out super hot, really take it all the way. In fact, the last team, the team has been the last team to to remain unbeaten hasn't won a Super Bowl since the two thousand six Indianapolis Colts. So I think it's just this this team is growing together, and that's one of the. Things that makes this team environment. One of the better in the league. I wanna follow up to Jeff's question CC by asking about Morgan Burnett, what's the timetable that they're talking about for his return? And when he does return, do you think it's going to enhance his defense? Do you think it's going to be what you described before where it's a little bit of time for into all jail together, and where do you think he's gonna play? I think he's gonna play a dime linebacker position personally in subs and also be the starting safety. I agree. I think he's going to be that down linebacker if you guys remember during that Bengals game two, there were two times in particular where aged green lined up in the slot Steelers Warren zone, and he basically just Ray and right around Vince Williams. I think that William spot is going to be the spot where Morgan Burnett might be when he comes back and be healthy about when he's gonna be healthy. That's very week to week because there's, there's sometimes they think he's going to be ready and then he's just not. They're not trying to rush him back because if they do and he's hurt for longer than it's like, he's, he's never going to be available. And I think they're just trying to to show patience with it, even though it's seems very annoying and it's just seems kinda pointless for fans got another leads areas, green situation going on. But it's far as, but as far as the chemistry I think is going to take time when he gets in the mix. But I think he's going to be a huge help because he's good at being physical with tight ends. He knows how to engage. We knows how to play in space, and I've seen him really do well against the run when he's been asked to play in that space. And especially on those third doubts he's going to, he's going to be a person that can take the weight off of off of Vince Williams and Jon Bostick to play over the middle all the time. Yeah, will never be able to forget watching Vince. We attempt to guard AJ green and thinking to myself what the heck. So that'll that image will forever be burned into my psyche. Lance before we go true or false with Chris Carter, did you want Jimmy other questions for him? No. Let's jump right into the TANF. All right. Sounds good to. Here's how this works. Chris. It's a truthful statement. It's a statement, not a question in English. Say whether you think it's true whether you think it's falls and you can expound on that a little bit, we'll give are anxious. So I will always say the statement and then I will throw it to one of you to to answer first and we'll see if we agree or disagree with Lance, it's he's Brown most of the time, and then I'm really right. So are we ready everyone ready? Yes, yes, yes. Okay. Good. Let's start with. Mike hill necessarily. I talked about the beginning of the show for you joined Mike. Hilton is the defensive MVP at the by week, true or false CC. Go ahead. You go first also true that guy does so much all over the field to cover for spaces, and you saw how against the ravens that pass rush disappeared. When he was off the field. He, he is a guy that they can place. He's constantly in the slot floating around the middle of the field, but he does things that that make up for so many spas, and he's the kind of guy that I think in the long run will be the guy that can take away a Julian Edelman, which is just painfully destroyed this team and William gays in the Russ Cochran with over the past few years. But right now, I mean, you look at people were talking about Joe Haden performance against Julio Jones, which wasn't mazing, but there were times when Joe Haden would switch off and who would he passing to Mike Hilton and my would run with this guy that pretty much has three feet on them. Exactly what he would jump with this guy and say, I'm taking this away. He did it again this week when he when he denied another great, pass. I yeah, I'm putting him as the MVP right now. I think that will change in the long run, but he's been the most consistent of any player. You could argue. It's Joe Haden because he's also been extremely consistent, but I have not had a game where I've put bad marks on my killin. All right. Lance, what he say, true or false. Mike killed the MVP. I'm gonna say false because I'm going to say it's Joe Haden because Joe Haden when you wear that twenty three now you know, will you when you have that number that when you're test to be the number one corner, that guy that shuts down guys and their traveling with his traveling. Now, with the number one guy and you perform back to back like he did against AJ green and Julio Jones back to back in back to back weeks. Think you gotta go with Joe Hayden. He gets tasked with the toughest matchup every week and world out Will Greenwood CC is those guys, in my opinion, are the two most irreplaceable pieces on the defense. So I don't necessarily disagree with CeCe. I think it's more of a one a one b. Yes, I think it's really tight, really close, and I would have to give the edge to Hayden because Hayden has to. Play those number one guys. But in terms of having more on his plate is definitely Hilton. Hilton does more for that defense, but I think the MVP because he goes up against the number one guy every week week in week out Joe Haden, and we saw the impact of know Joe Haden last year down the stretch when his defense was just outright trash. But last seven games, I'm going to have to agree this painting to Sam after it lands. Those that listened to the beginning of the show. I actually really good back and forth with are commenting live on YouTube. The reason for me is not so much like land brings of good points about Hayden against the top receiver, and that's great. I look at it as value towards a defense. In other words, who's behind Hayden, people forget already burns is he's a dumpster fire right now when we came into the season, everyone thought, oh my gosh, look of the plethora of Cornerbacks Steelers. They've never had this problem before. It's such a good problem to have. Well, yeah, let's reevaluate now entering the by week already. Burns is a mental disaster Milly sense of ause. Cody Sensabaugh cameras. Sutton is very unproven, especially on the outside, and then you have Joe Haden. Mike, he'll take Joe Haden out of the equation. Already burns is going to be thrust into a starting role or Cameron Sutton is going to be on the outside, and I'm not sure about that. That's value to me. That's why I think he's the most viable player, but I like I like both of you said I would put he and Hilton one eight. One be no doubt about it. All right. Next statement. Here we go. Of the Steelers offense will average thirty points per game this season true or false, just so we know, I'm pretty sure they average now as round twenty seven points per game. Correct me if I'm wrong way, maybe look that up. CC will throw it over to you. First. The Steelers were average over thirty points per game. This season true or false. I say true simply because I look at their schedule and I see teams that score points. I see. I see the chargers. I see the patriots. I see the Sates short. You got the ravens yet the Panthers got the Broncos, you know, and the raiders don't score points, but they also have a defense. I think that this offense is much more cohesive and a lot of that I credit to Randy Fikder and not because people just he's just smarter. I think that he has found a way to get bin lavas burger to see the field so much better than he has in the past and. He takes horizontally scheming wise. He takes so more so much more of what's available than he ever has seen. Very a lot less of those deep shots that he depended on to to get his huge yards. And now you're seeing him say, you know what? Hey, you. If you're if you're in cover three and you're and you're giving me this part of the field, I will take that and and letting the Steelers athletes run. So I'm saying, yes, they'll they'll get over thirty points because this offense still has not hit on all cylinders. And I think Ben Rothlisberger wants. His arm comes back and you see those deep balls flare up. This offense is going to be terrorizing people. If if I were to make you put a number out there, if you Vig over thirty Chris, what do you? What do you think they average game? If they go over thirty? I'd say thirty three just because you know there's ten games left. You know, maybe thirty one just to, but I see them having a few forty point performances in the coming weeks in partial because they need to. But also because they because they're going to find ways to put points up on the board. And I think that by say week, weeknights like say, not this, not this upcoming Browns, not not the ravens game, but the the game against the Panthers. You're going to see Ben Rothlisberger start to hit on those deep ball Jagger James, Washington start to be in the being the playbook. You're going to start to see juju Smith Schuster Antonio Brown, getting those deep shots on one on one coverage, and that's going to explode for the offense and they're still going to have a strong ground game. I I see that taking over and being too much for defense figure out k Lance thirty points per game. Offensively true or false. You know, I'm going to say falls and they're averaging twenty eight point five. The reason I'm going to say false is because he just say correct. You've land. I is because they're inconsistent on third down that that that's inconsistent original and around bins career. He's been inconsistent red zone quarterback, but that's not really why thinks they're not going to score thirty. I think Dave sort of found a nice little formula of how they wanna play in. It's going to be more touches with the running back position. Now, I'm not going to say, ooh, because I'm sure we're going to talk about that later in the program, but I think that they're, they're going to slow it down. Some not be as bit play dependent, Embiid play heavy. And I think they are going to try to play in a way where they possessed the football longer, but still scored touchdowns to try to really complement this defense by having this defense played less snaps in have the ball longer. So I don't think they're going to score thirty, but I think it's going to be close to. Thirty. I think it's going to be around what they are now twenty eight and a half twenty seven points. I think they're going to kinda hover back and forth in that range where they'll have a forty point games somewhere possibly against. You know, the raiders maybe score forty plus against the saints, which will tip it higher. But I think it's going to hover around that twenty eight twenty six Mark and it's gonna float in that range. I think more importantly, it's the points against that need to go down and that's almost at twenty six game. So I don't think they're going to quite get the thirty, but I think it's going to be hovering around there if they could keep it at twenty eight and a half and get that points attempt to go down there right where they want to be, but no false. They would not everage thirty points per game this year I'm gonna say true just because they better. They wanna win a lot of games. This defense, they need to score a lot of points, Jeff. I don't know. I'm telling you, I just defense is nearly as bad as everyone says. I hear a lot of people talk about this is the worst defense in history. I'm like wool, calm down this. This is this is an unprecedented era of the NFL where there were more four hundred yard passing performances in September than there were all twenty seventeen. And that's one thing when I look at it, I'm like this. This is just we're seeing something different right now because of all the rules and offenses are figuring out how to maximize in these situations. And I really, I look back at these games and I say, I look and I see, you know, the Browns game that was not a bad defensive performance, the chiefs game. Absolutely. I was complete garbage, but I look at the buccaneers game. Yeah, they sure they gave up a will. They almost gave up a second half lead, but at the same time they also had four straight force turnovers and a pick six that I can't. Garage that game as a as a bad one. And you look at the ravens game, they gave up to early scores. One on only one of them came on a long drive. And after that they didn't give touchdown. Now you got this game with a falcons game where they completely dominated, but then you had this game where the only touchdowns other than I mean, even even the last touchdown, all of them came on short field. They didn't have a touchdown drive of seventy yards or or or their longest down with sixty one yard on a drive. I, I think this defense is a lot better than people give it credit for and they're still young and learning like they're, they're going. I think this is going to be a, they're healthy and you get an, especially if they get some improvement out of burns. If it Cam Sutton continues to grow in the role it is and these safeties continue to grow. I think this defense is going to have enough to be able to take people on in the play offs, and I think they're, they're, they're setting themselves up to be a problem for the patriots. Let me ask you this easy, real simple. Okay. Maybe it's because I'm doing two shows that week with Lance now and he's rubbing off on me a little bit, but still. Yes, exactly. Let's go. Let's go back to Sunday. It's probably a little shy of four PM eastern standard time and the Cincinnati Bengals get the ball Eric's as a decent return, and they have the football round. The two minute warning. Did you seriously think that the Steelers we're gonna come up with a stop when it mattered the most. I thought the only chance they had was if they got pressure to the to the quarterback. But again, yes or no, CC don't give me this spiel. Yes or no. Did you think they were guess up. Exactly. And that's my point is that this defense doesn't need to be the two thousand early two thousands defense in the, you know, the those great teams into those major doesn't. It doesn't have to be that, but what is that's what I know. I know. I know because even if you look at the probably one of the better than league in like in the in the Rams they're still getting scored on his will get Moore's. I know. I know it happens what I'm saying that Steelers defense needs to just get timely stops. That's what they need. They're gonna get scored on, everyone get scored on. Will you just made that point? My theory is that if this defense can come up with a timely stops, we're talking third downs. We're talking to situations at the end of the half, the end of the game where you just need to get a stop. I had no faith because I news and four down territory. They were going to stop the Bengals on four straight downs and they did thankfully, they scored quickly, so we'll Rita disagree on that one, but I still think the Steelers offense because that's where this whole conversation got started was I think they will go thirty points per game because like you said, the trend of the NFL is that it's a high scoring league now are, let's go back to the defensive side for the next one. Bud Duprey or TJ watt, not both or one or the other will end the season with double digits. ACTA tools to reform CC will go to you first. True. I, I don't seem to pre getting double d setbacks. I do see what getting double d. I think debris it's close. I think he ends the season with eight. But I also see defensive front just gonna divide up the sex a lot one because because Keith Butler loves to he, he loves to drop. He's blitz games, man, and he's going to get. He's gonna try to maximize where where the blitz is coming from and who gets the opportunities. And I think debris will get his fair Fairmount, but the created set the self created one on one sex. Those are gonna come from what Hayward and to it finally got his. I think you're going to start to see a little bit more from he's gonna end up with six. I want to say on the season. But yes, so I'm going with the with the true because it'll it'll be just what it has double digits came. I I agree. I'm gonna go with true and I'm gonna give you the scenario in which it plays out. So right now, what is leading the team was six x to prehistory. We're going to play that forward through the end of the year. TJ watt will have twelve sacks, right? This is my prediction. He's going to have twelve sex, twelve or twelve plus sex, but depre- is going to be sitting at nine secs. He's going to get a tenth sack late in the year and get an illegal hand to the face. Taking on off. He's going to finish with nine sex. That's how it's gonna work. So TJ's go to have twelve twelve plus put gonna finish with nine in the tenth is going to come off due to legal hands to the face chock it up. I agree with you guys, I think is true for all the reasons you all said Moore. We have one more here. Awesome. True or false. The Steelers will not lose another AFC north division game this year. C. true or false. I say, true. I'm not scared of any of those teams. And not. I think to the Steelers merit, the ravens are too inconsistent. The Bengals are. I think they're just not going to do a Heinz field, the Browns, I think about the decimated. I think they the nuance of they have a new quarterback and all these, these aggressive youngsters on defense has worn off the, they're, they're thereabouts, be thrust back into the the basement of reality and a yes. So I say true because I'm not. I don't think that that's the Steelers have anything to fear about the ravens. They will be in Baltimore, but I think that they'll have enough to take them on into in a well, three weeks. Let's see. You can go to -gree with CeCe. I'm gonna say true. I think they'll beat the Bengals at home. I think they'll beat the Browns. The Browns won't surprise in this time. I think they're going to go on a road in Baltimore and do what the Steelers in Baltimore do. Typically the right active. I think they're going to split and I think they're gonna go at Baltimore on the row and win- football game. I think it's gonna be a tough football game where they win. You know, three points, two points. You know, typical Steelers ravens game where it's going to be hard hitting, but cleaning come down to the wire. So I think they're gonna win the next three games. These next two will the two division games after the bye and since that late. So I don't think they're gonna lose another division game. I'm gonna say, false. I think that they win the next two games as you predicted, but I'm gonna predicted the week. Seventeen game against Cincinnati will be completely meaningless for Pittsburgh and they'll they'll lose the game and people freak out heading into the playoffs. It might even be a scenario where because the Steelers have wrapped up their division, I hope that the Steelers maybe cannot advance their place in the play offs. There's no need to put players out on the field that don't need to and the Bengals probably get the win the duchess. We'll see. All right. So I have a couple of things here in CC. Neither did not tell you about this but lands. I preface this on our post game show, and I said it was going to ask today. And that was a question about Antonio Brown now, Antonio Brown since he is become the superstar, that he is not talking about when Antonio Brown was a rookie or when you know Hines ward was the number one and Antonio Brown was just guy. We're talking young money crew in on. Okay. Okay. The question is is the Antonio Brown juju Smith Schuster the best duo for the Pittsburgh Steelers since Antonio Brown has been the guy lands. I asked you give Chris a chance to think about it lands. You had time to think about it. You already said that you don't think it is on your postgame show. So if you don't think that it's the best duo, who was the better tandem within Tony Brown? Was it Mike Wallis? Was it Martavis Bryant? What do you think Lance? It was Mark Wallace, in my opinion. When you look at Wallace's numbers, you look at his four years with the Steelers he ever nineteen point four yards per catch twenty one sixteen and thirteen with the impressive thing where that touchdowns sixteen twelve sixteen and sixteen. I mean the guy had was that thirty two touchdowns guy thirty two touchdowns four years. I mean, that's just incredible production and they were gonna pay my. Qualis it just did not work out. So I think that the best combo was Mike wa often Antonio Brown and the theme that might Wallace could do. Although he was a one trick. Pony is Mike Tomlin described him. That trick was really good. His ability to get over the top defenses was awesome. I mean also when you look at his stats in those years, you know thirteen hundred receiving yards roughly another twelve hundred. I mean he went from seven fifty six to twelve fifty seven to twelve hundred to eight thirty six. I mean, that's a ton of production in touchdowns is what sets it off and we all those touchdowns all those scores. I mean, I mean, that's a lot. Maybe I did my math wrong, you know, apologized for that. But yeah, I think I got the math, right? But that's a ton of touchdowns thirty plus touchdowns four seasons. I mean, that's number. So Wallace and Brown, where the best hand. What I e see, what do you think. So I gotta ask, are we judging just purely on their talent or their connection. Are there connection with Rothlisberger? Are we? Are? We just. The way now I'm looking at the the the duo, you know, being the great they work well together in tandem, that one helps the other. You obviously saw at the beginning of this season with intern around his frustrations, and a lot of people wonder is use machines to do enough to free up Antonio Brown. And while it still has talking point the narrative, it's it's, you know, like lands brought up a lot of statistics about Mike Wallace us very productive, but it also helped Antonio Brown at the same time. So e- can incorporate all that you can corporative relationship with Ross burger into it as well. But really, who you think was the best duo with into around when he was Antonio Brown. I'm gonna go, dude, you man, I, I see this doing way too much right now. I agree. I was I in the Jeff, you can hold me to this. I was huge, Mike Wallace backer back back in the day. I, I watched several times when I was just like you. You can't match up with that guy because he has his speeds just too much in within Tonio Brown. It was. It was. They were just electric. But I also think it's important. Remember we didn't really get to see in Tonio Brown z. Tonio Brown until Mike Wallace left Ed in that. Is. And I think that's why, because this version of Antonio, I think is much better than the one that that was that had just gotten that big guns just got net nights contract when Mike Wallace was refusing to take his contract. So. Do the threat meal Brown's better than right now is better than either of the the wall at the the Wallace Brown that was back then. And I think that the threat that juju brings us a multifaceted weapon in a guy go up and win. Those combat catches. I think that's that presents more of a problem for what been able to reynoldsburg Zabel do right now than Mike Wallace's deep threat because whereas that k. o. shot is nice. But we saw in those years that that KO shack be taken away by good defenses and I, I don't think you can really take juju away unless you put on a superstar cornerback and I don't think you can scheme out of a game and really the patriots couldn't do it because even when Antonio Brown came off the field misused, her was hurting them. So I I would take juju in AB over AB and Mike Wallis or whoever else in that in that combination. I agree with you, Chris, because. Like you said, juju Smith Schuster kind of does everything. Well, he blah, he he has shown that he can be a deep threat. Now he's not a burner. He's Davis Bryant, but you look at like Martavis Bryant and boy it into a new Brown, have some productive years when when Bryant was in in town. But yeah, the problem was, is that not only did he have the issues off the field, but he really just was a distraction. A lot of times not off the field distraction, but in terms of defensively, drawing attention away from Brown and it was the same with Wallis. I even went back and I haven't thought about Jericho Khatri because he did have like what? Eleven or twelve touchdown receptions at one year or two years. He was there, but Emmanuel, Sanders even when Emmanuel Sanders is in again, he was not as complete when he was in Pittsburgh as us. Mr. is now, and the scary thing about this for me at a juice misusers only gonna get better. I hope people realize that like this ceiling, this is not the best that we're gonna see. He still has room for improvement. So, yeah. I agree. So Lance good points. I not disagreeing with you at all because ultimately, Mike Wallace had did have some great years in Antonio Brown. That was when he was a budding superstar landed Jiminy questions for Chris before we get in our game picks for this week. No, let's jump right into. All right. So we're just going to pick the AFC north games. There's three games, the Steelers, the only AC north team with the by this week, we'll real quick. You don't have to elaborate to say he thinks gonna win, and we'll see what maybe if our predictions of right as the dust settles. So we're gonna start off with the Browns, play the geez. I just had it here the buccaneers. They go down to Tampa Bay. That's who they play. The Browns are two, three and one Lance, who wins his game. Cleveland, Tampa Bay could never pick the team as bad as Cleveland's been over the last several years to go on a road and do anything gimme. The bucks famous is gets busy, puts a big numbers bucks, win that game. Okay. What about you see. A lot in a loss. You guys for a second? I couldn't. I. Who'd who the game was. It's Cleveland and Tampa Bay. Oh, it's that's interesting. I'll know who lands pick. I'm gonna go with the with the buccaneers just because I feel like they've got a lot of talent, and I think that they're gonna be able to find a way to win there also a little bit hungrier. I think Baker Mayfield still figuring out a lot. I'm one of the people. I don't know if you guys are which which which hype train you guys are on. I've been one of the people that have been saying that Baker Mayfield is not all that I, I've been a person that's been saying for a while like look, Baker Mayfield I think is is going to be a decent quarterback in the NFL, but he's not a number one overall pick. I thought he could've been waited on into the second round. I think that people are gonna start seeing that over time and realize man, they could have had this guy or that guy tense awards the truth, but I am not a Baker Mayfield fan. I think that's going to cost them. In this game. I'll go. I'll buck that trend. I'll say the Browns went on the road just because you guys picked the box and sells the Cleveland Browns. I do think there improved and James Winston him and his eating is dubs. He can do this. He's annoying man. Yes, very much. So. All right. Next game, this is going to be a good one. If you're a Steeler fan and you get this game with the Sunday ticket or whether you are in the viewing area, Baltimore Ravens at home versus the New Orleans Saints is going to be a good one to watch. Lance will hurt you again. Who do you like ravens or seines at Mt. Bank stadium in Baltimore, Maryland. I think you put drew Brees outdoors against best defense in the National Football League. Unfortunately, I think the rappers win game. K, c, c. I got the saints, man, I think their offense of line is it's consistent enough. They're gonna come away with enough place. I think that I think their offense I think drew Brees is going to see through a lot of the things Baltimore likes to do. He's going to pick a, they're soft spots, and I don't think Baltimore gonna be consistent enough on offense to capitalize on saints. I think it's gonna. It's gonna be a little bit of a shootout, but drew Brees gonna pull late in the game. I live in Maryland. I hate the ravens more than most fans, and I'm never going to pick the ravens to do anything positive. So the saints win this game because of that. And that would be great news for Pittsburgh because that would be them to four and three in the Steelers would still be a half game out, but I'll tell you what it would read the door wide open. Now, the last game everyone will get to see this one. We get to see the Bengals and primetime folks. We know that such a joy to watch the Cincinnati Bengals go to Kansas City era, head stadium to play Kansas City. Chiefs. Now the cheese are coming off a loss to the patriots Bengals coming off a loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers, and this is interesting. We actually have on our live chat on YouTube a Bengals fan who listened last week credited us. I should say me because Lance was very biased. It's called him the bungles and he just didn't hear that part. He said, in our opinion. 'cause he's watching the show. Do we think that the Bengals are playoff team or was it just a hot start? So pick the game Bengals or chiefs in Kansas City and answer. Declaws question. Do you think that the Bengals are a playoff team, or do you think it was just a flash in the pan Lance will start with you? I think the Bengals are gonna get lit up. Excuse me. The only chance they have in this game is that defensive line has to cook if that defensive line is not cooking if Gino and Dunlop and those guys aren't cooking, they are going to get lit up. Nobody can stop Kansas City. That's just what it is you're going to give thirty plus and at home they're gonna get lit up as far as being a playoff team. They're talented enough. The question is, will they get it done? And that's always the question with Cincinnati. Something seems to happen with Cincinnati. I don't think this division gets three playoff teams. I think the Steelers, if they continue to trim positively on a defensive side of football and the ravens are the two playoff teams coming out the north. So bungles will not make the playoffs and they should've fired. Marvin Lewis last year, stop rooting for that trash team. It root for somebody else. Bungles are garb in our Bajour so much for the unbiased point of view. Anyways, he's what do you think about the Bengals cheese in their playoff? His. Chris. I got the chiefs smoke in these guys. I do on people. You guys go ahead, you're there, we're here. Can you hear me? Yes. Yes, this dang. Sorry about interconnection. Okay. I I got the chiefs. I do want to warn people. Andy Reid, teams start really hot. Their offense is unstoppable. And then some random mystic power flutes over them and takes away. They're, they're scoring ability, late MRIs, but I don't think it happens this week. I think that there's some weaknesses flash, but I think that the chiefs are good enough to overcome them against this Bengals team. I don't think they're consistent enough. I'm right, which it's Marvin. Lewis does not have it together. I think he's done a good job. He did a good job years ago, resurrecting the Bengals and making making them a competitive team, but he is not that give the guy that can make them win the big gains and until until they got the culture that is. Says, Bertha CT at, unfortunately, Drake her catch up. Now. He's a seems of sucked up into the. I think that Kirkpatrick had a chance to be decent quarterback, and he's just continues to fall into that that culture just as messing messing up. But as the Bengals they're not good enough, they bad organization and the chiefs are going to walk out on top. And I forewarned people do not Bank on the cheese to continue to explode all season long. Angles won't make the playoffs. Okay. Just threw that in there. The slide ad in there. For me, I agree with you guys. They Kansas City at home is going to win. I think also people forgetting how beat up the Bengals are being bit. That was a physical football game last week. Thankfully, Steelers have by weeds, kinda restroom recover, but they are a beat of bunch. I mean, there's there injury report is along who knows vaunt has birthed will be allowed to play in this game. We have yet to hear from the NFL on him. If we did, I haven't heard the news, but still for me, I think that the chiefs run away with this game. I think that the Bengals again, not good on primetime. Don't forget about that. I think that this could be the trend of them leveling out. They're going to be a team that's going to be in the mix lateness season. As I said earlier that week seventeen game might mean something for them, but we'll see. I don't think they're horrible team. I think they were playing a little bit above their above their heads, so to speak earlier, you know, they had that come from behind. Against Lanta. They had a couple of their come from behind wins of death. Not always gonna happen, sometimes the ball about your way, but I think the Bengals lose and I'll say that they missed the playoffs just because, well, Marvin Lewis, so there you have it Lance. Anything else for c. before we call it a show? No, I just wanna think you see for hopping on man continue to do a fantastic job with decay boys in Pittsburgh, MAC, congratulations to you on that man. It's it's such a blessing to be there and to to know that I've been able to work with you guys and got excuse. You guys still going strong. Listen to this year. If you're not if you're not reading everything behind still curtain, continue to do so check us out, decay, Pittsburgh sports dot com or me on Twitter. 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Let's Ride: What we learned after the Steelers mandatory minicamp

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Let's Ride: What we learned after the Steelers mandatory minicamp

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He spent a few minutes at the beginning talking about the titles that we have here behind the steel curtain for the longest time. You heard me. Say i'm jeff hartman. Co editor of current dot com. Why i guess that's changing now I'm not one for titles to be honest with you. I really doesn't bother me nonetheless. Dave came to me into jeff. I'd like to change things up. Because well i feel like the hierarchy should be you know just that the hierarchy of the site i said dave. That's what you wanna do. That's fine with me so no more is at jefferson co editor. No more as a dave. Scofield co editor. dave scofield. Michael beck does a live. Mike on tuesday mornings. He's still the deputy editor and i guess. My title is now the senior editor of behind the steel curtain dot com. So i'm jeff. Senior editor of behind the steel curtain dot com. Thank you for taking the time out for joining me for this friday podcast. Tgif thank goodness. It's friday and you know what is a quick sidebar. As of as a teacher is crazy when you think about it yeah. I've been teaching now for about fifteen years. I have never had since. I started school myself as a kid. I've always had summer break aids. It's insane when you think about it. I've always had winter break around the holidays of always had thanksgiving off. I've always had a spring break. I mean e- spoiled beyond belief is what we are In amna one. That's you know they're complaining and griping moaning. But i'm getting ready to start my summer break. I'm really excited for it. I know that a lot of my brother always says jeff. Those of us with real jobs you know i get it i it. I understand it one hundred percent but summer is upon us and we're gonna be talking about summer in regards to the dog days of summer. That are coming up with the pittsburgh steelers now that mandatory minicamp is over. It is a wrap. It is in the books. The pittsburgh steelers had three days of of mandatory minicamp this past week. They practiced tuesday wednesday and thursday. All of this took place in heinz field. And you know what shame on the pittsburgh steelers not not players but the organization themselves mainly those who do the social media aspect of things. Shame on the steelers so day one. They did a live look and they did this. Author training camp last season because there was no saint vincent college in latrobe Obviously they wanted to give fans a little bit of an inside. Look you didn't get much of a look. I mean you had last year in training camp. You had missy matthews talking. They would have other people. At arthur moats came on monday craig. Wolseley was on one day. My presume was on one day. Regardless of who was there they showed players standing around talking to each other. You weren't really getting training camp but nonetheless mini camp. If you're gonna do that for many campbell that's great. There's not a lot of stuff happening in minicamp anyways. There's a lot of individual work. They could show on day one on tuesday. They did a live looking. I'm thinking this is good on the steelers. good job. this is great day to. I'm talking with dave scofield. Saying hey david if you seen anything for this live looking. It's one o'clock. I'm not seeing anything when they weren't doing it. They didn't they didn't do it and come on. I mean you seriously gonna do it for day one and you're not gonna do it for days two and three. We're not talking about a month long here. We're talking about three days. You couldn't do it for three days. Unbelievable i was unbelievably frustrated with that. As someone that lives outside of pittsburgh i do have to rely on certain things and certain people and certain entities to help me keep you all informed and i was looking forward to watching the live. Look and see. Who's there who's not his dress us not his participating in who might just be watching and helping nothing absolutely nothing and shame on the steelers. Shame on the steelers. I'm gonna say something that you might be listening. Jeff really that big of a deal to me. It is to me. It is now. What if the steelers. Go back to latrobe. In saint vincent college which i hope they do. We have not heard as as of this being recorded. We have not heard whether they will or will. Not be back at saint vincent if they go back to saint vincent college. I don't expect them to do the live. Look ins why fans can be there. They can be there now. I expect the steelers to just do their usual social media stuff and things like that. But that's neither here nor there. That's just a little frustration. That i have with the steelers organization. So what i want to talk about today in start off with the first segment is well. What did we learn from minicam. I did this after rookie. Minicamp i did this after. Ot as were wrapped up. What did we learn. We learn anything. I think we did. I think we did learn some stuff. Let's go over to. What did we learn. I wanted the biggest takeaways. I had listened keith butler defensive coordinator he met with the media and he was very upfront with how he doesn't feel like the steelers are done making moves at the outside linebacker position. He was asked about the death that the outside linebacker position. Because if you think about it outside of wotton highsmith you only have quincy rochet six round. Pick and cash cash. Is marsh the pokemon king. That's it that's it he made. It seem like you know he's gonna leave this up to mike. And mike tomlin. And kevin kevin colbert the general manager. It just seems like the steelers are still gonna take a wait and see approach They're probably gonna wait. 'til training camp is done in teams are making their cuts. They might pick up a player off the scrap heap. Maybe a team. That's loaded outside linebacker. And they can't carry all their players and they'll get someone when they get released before they can be signed to a practice squad so it doesn't seem like the done making moves. We'll talk about that a little bit more in the podcast matt candidates spoke. This is the first time it's kind of crazy when you think about. This is the first time we heard from matt canada. Since he was hired back in the winter he gets brought in as the offensive coordinator. And now. finally the the media's able to pepper with questions and he says you know the offense will not be. We'll be tailored around then rhonda's for me say that again in case confused you i apologize. The offense will be tailored around. Ben rothlisberger in there were a lot of fans that were up in arms. Oh my gosh. i can't believe what. Why would he do that. What did you expect him to say. Well you know. I've got this offense in mind and even though the quarterback he's not you know really suited for that offense we're gonna force him into those situations and even know in those situations. He's going to be lousy. That's just what we're gonna do. I run my system and whether you can fit in that system or not. Well that's up to you. But for me i'm gonna run my system now. He's not going to say that. Any logical coach no matter the sport no matter the level is going to develop a program is going to develop a plan that their team that fits their personnel. That's the only way you can state it so when you have a future hall of fame quarterback in ben roethlisberger matt. Canada's job is to find a system that kind of meshes his philosophy in what the quarterback does well mashes them together. That's his job. And so that's what he meant by when he said that they're going to tailor their offense around ben. It's it's about what ben rothlisberger does. Well that doesn't mean they're not going to be doing read option plays. It doesn't mean they're not going to have a lot of pre snap motion. That does not mean. They're not going to be doing some very unconventional things that we're not. They're not saying that at all. He saying that. They're going to also play to the strengths of their quarterback. It is the most important position in all of sports. And you had ben rothlisberger still very quarterback so we learned that matt. Canada has a plan in place. We just have to wait a little bit. See with that plan is another interesting interview and this is where you learned a lot was. We haven't heard from these coaches in these players in a really long time and now we're not going to hear from them again until camp when they reported the end of july achilleas. The wide receivers coach was asked about juju smith. Schuster has been very vocal. This offseason about how he wants to play outside. I want to play outside. Put me outside. Well that's fine. But i said in this offense every receiver knees. You go to play every position. They have to be able to move around. This cannot be a while. I'm the x. Receiver that's just what i do. I don't play in the slot. I don't play the z. I'm the x. Receiver it just can't be that way in this offense players like diontae johnson who played a lot of snaps on the outside. He might have to get comfortable playing in the slot. Juju smith schuster. Z's to being bounced around. This is nothing new for him but chase claypool who played primarily in the outside. Maybe he's have to play in line a little bit. Maybe he's going to have to be in a bunch formation. Maybe he's going to have to play the the slot. He did that a little bit last season. I'm not here to say that he did not nonetheless. The steelers wide receivers are going to have to be versatile. That's the key here. They're going to have to show some versatility in regards to the fact that they can do anything that's asked of them. Do it. Well and when you have a group like that think about how tough that is to defend. You don't know whether juju smith schuster is always going to be outside. I mean antonio brown when he's it is best. I mean he was always outside so no matter. What a defensive coordinator always knew where brown was going to be. That can't be the case is season. they're going to have to mix it up. They're gonna have to be versatile and that's something. That was definitely emphasized by kilian moving on filling out the secondary filling out the secondary something that is definitely a talking point heading into training camp. You have the the absence of my hilton who left to cincinnati bengals and free agency. You have the absence of steven nelson. Who was a cab casualty. Who has as of this being recorded has not signed with any team yet. So you have those two pieces of the puzzle or gone and those are two big pieces of the puzzle so you re signed cam sudden that makes sense. Everyone understands why they did it in what he to the team. He's very versatile and they can do a lot of different things with cam sutton move him inside. They could move them. Keep them on the outside. But there's still a gaping hole wherever you put cam sutton who wherever he is not. There's a vacancy there. So if you have on the outside that's great. Who's gonna play in the slot if you put them in the slot. That's great who's gonna plan the outside so it just seems like for some reason and i'm not sure why james. Peer a couple of shows guy caught justin. I apologize is james. Peer james pure undrafted cornerback. Last season twenty twenty makes team great on special teams and by the end of the season started really come on as a player that the coaching staff trust and started to move up the depth chart he was seeing snaps instead of justin lane. Justin lane being a third round pick from michigan state so he was getting some publicity at the end of the season in the fans in sites like behind the steel curtain dot com and others like it noticed that he was some attention and we started to break down the film. I know that jeffrey benedict and he and dave gauthier steelers vertex article and behind this curtain dot com on james and what he brings to the team. The one thing though the kept on sticking out my mind as everyone was kind of showing this infatuation and that might be a little strong of a word by the way when they were talking about. James pure i kept on thinking but the sample size is just so small. How do we know what this player can really do. Let's not forget and twenty. Twenty new preseason. Let's not forget and twenty twenty all this stuff that they're doing right now. Mandatory minicamps phase. Three of ota's rookie minicamp virtual. It was all virtual. But for some reason the hype train that is james pierre is continuing to chug along on. I think it was wednesday. He had a great practice. He had a couple of interceptions was really flying around in a lot of people were talking about him. Terrible austin secondary. He was very high on on pierre. And so was. Danny smith and people laugh danny smith because he choose like i don't know twenty i swear he's got like the bazooka joe. Gum remember the zucca. Joe gum that had the cartoon in it and it lasted like five seconds. Or maybe he's just a bubble yum guy. I'm not sure it seems like has thirty packs of gum in his mouth during games. He's chomping away and he's funny here talk and he's he's pittsburgh through it through. We'll put it that way but he was very high on what he can do. Meeting pierre on a special teams as a special teamer in that matters that matters the more you can do in a mike tomlin on mike. Tomlin team the better chance. You have not just making the team but being a contributor in a big way. So pierre seems to be in the mix. He seems to be in the mix. He's bring juice. I'll tell you that right now. No one's talking about justin lane. I understand that it's minicamp. These this is football shorts. No one is talking about justin lane trae. Norwood seventh round draft pick. Rookie is getting more discussion than justin light. And everyone knows my affinity for justin lane or as we call him on the preview lust jane. because i didn't want to call him out for when he came after me on twitter but still filling out the secondary baby. Doe's pieces are kind of falling into place. Keep that in mind a few more things. New coaches okay new coaches. You're talking about mc candidate. You're talking about and clam. You're talking about mike sullivan. No not the penguins head coach. We're talking about the quarterbacks coach. He's spoke to the media. And he talked highly about all of the quarterbacks. In the in the room whether dwayne haskins mason rudolph joshua dobbs ben rothlisberger he talked about how ben rothlisberger for someone that has been in the game as long as he has for him to still ask questions for him to still you know be inquisitive and to be wanting to learn whereas a really good trait. He's been around. East coast a lot of great quarterbacks and so he would know all these coaches that are new and you can go down to the new tight ends coach. Whatever the cases wherever there's a new coach they have a challenge ahead of them and this is their first real opportunity of getting everyone involved in that ties into the next in the next aspect of what we learned from many canvas. Attendance was great. Attendance was great so tj had missed all of these. I hate saying this by the way. they're voluntary. He was training. If you on social media he was training he was relaxing doing some traveling with a significant other but he was back he was in attendance. Joe haden who had attended otas either. He was in attendance david decastro. He had not attended not as he was back in pittsburgh. I did not see him being reported as practicing those said he was there. But he's in street clothes. So i'm sure the coaching staff probably said listen. Dave you've done this a million times. It seems like let us go. Look at someone like kevin dodson coward. people that need more repetitions. And so he's he was there but he was not participating only steph onto he stepped onto it will not was not in attendance any day as being recorded he is obviously dealing with the hit and run accident that killed his brother done georgia just a tragic story and absolutely tragic story stefan was not an attendance was obviously excused. Eric ebron zero. On tuesday missed on wednesday and again. That was an excused absence. Mike tomlin always talk to the media after every practice in workout and said anyone. That's not here has been excused by me there. I think what he's trying to say is it. I'm aware of players that are missing. This is not a holdout situation. This is not a situation where it's a disgruntled employee. This is a situation where sometimes things happen. And so there you have that so the last thing that we learned. Is that the rookies. This was their first real chance at seeing what nfl. Football's like without hitting in mini camp. They're allowed to do eleven on eleven work. This is their first time with all the veterans there. When you think about someone like quincy rochet. I'll just brought up earlier. I'll bring them up again. He's probably he's been a rookie minicamp. He was it all the phases. Vote as Now the sudden tj watches up. I mean think about that here. You are sixth round draft. Pick out of my out of miami and next thing you know a guy that has finished second. The last two years in defensive player of the year rolls in. And you're like oh my gosh. That's t. j. watt and is is probably a little bit of a shock just like you know pat farm youth and eric ebron shows up. Were najji harris. He just he's been there the whole time. It's the there's been and then there's all these other guys haven't met yet so it's it's a situation where the rookies are slowly. They're continuing to get acclimated. They're continuing to get ready for this upcoming season. The steelers are going to need them to contribute and so getting them acclimated as early as possible. This ties in with the attendance part of things. It's good to see it's good to see there's plenty that we can glean from football and shorts in many camping in lot of it is not on field stuff. He listened to what i just said. A lot of it came from interviews came from media. Time it didn't it did not always come from. Wow this player made a great catch. Th that's not telling you much we'll just put it that way okay. We're gonna take a quick break when we come back after the break We're gonna to talk about what to expect in the dog. Days of summer from the pittsburgh steelers. We'll be right back. This is advertiser content from facebook. Hi i'm taylor. I work at fox media. And i found my dream couch from aden home. Thanks to a personalized out on instagram. So summer of two thousand eighteen. I moved from. La to new york super excited to start my new york dreams and then the following spring covert hit and everything went downhill and so i returned to my family home thinking now it would be for two weeks and it turned into months. 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I'm jeff hardin senior editor a senior citizen or something days older than i am any senior editor behind a steel curtain dot com. I appreciate you checking this outlook. I wanna make quick announcement. I forgot to do this at the beginning of the show. I don't know why. I didn't have anything to do with this every tuesday night. I would go live on the locker room app. And i talked about this. It's been great. It's been awesome to hear from the fans of the show steeler fans all over the place my ride or die cruise been well represented so for some reason. I don't know why they changed the name of the app. It's now the spotify green room app green room. I i don't know if you already had the locker room and they're they're gonna ask you to update the app and it's gonna show up as the green room. I don't think anything changes but it's different. It's a little different. That's all still free. Still free to get an account. I'm still gonna go live. Probably every tuesday afternoon evening and i still hope that you join me. But it's just a different name is still available for us and beta for android users. But it's now called the green room. I think it's stupid. Everything is stupid. I thought locker room was creative. I thought it was cool. I'm guessing they're probably going to try to expand this outside of just sports talk about other things but still if you haven't yet get the green room app join me follow me there at j hartman h. Ertms underscore it. Which is the same handle as my twitter account by the way and so. Follow me at love to hear from you. I've had a lot of my writer. Diarrhea were android using. Oh jeff. I'd love to talk to you but it's not for android we'll now verdy android and guess what. Where are you where are you. Let's go let's talk about some steelers football because when we come into the dog days of summer which is where we are on the calendar. It can be tough. It can be tough. It can be tough for a lot of people. Mainly website behind steel curtain dot com. You don't have the news you don't have the new so let's talk about what to expect from the steelers not necessarily behind the curtain. We'll get to that in a second. What to expect from the steelers during the dog days of summer. Could we see some new contracts being handed out by the pittsburgh steelers. Here's some players that could potentially get a new contract for for a variety of reasons. I have four. We have david decastro. And we have joe haden now. Those players getting new contracts getting extensions would be primarily for financial purposes being able to give them an extension with decrease their salary cap. Hit for the twenty twenty one season so giving them that money. That would make sense. So let's say they signed. Joe haden to a two year contract extension. That would keep him in pittsburgh until the twenty twenty three season. It would decrease his cap hit for this year. Naked could happen. I don't think. I think i'm going to pick one of the two that i think he could happen. I would go with haden decastro. I just seen. I dunno it's gut. It's there's nothing. I know everyone would say well. Decastro playing awful last year. That's why not necessarily. I'm not saying he played great. He didn't. I'm saying that. I think that hayden saw us more in the tank then the castro and i've said it before i'll say it again. I think that hayden also is a type of player that can kind of branch out outside of cornerback. Maybe they could. He could possibly play. Some safety La carnell lake or rod woodson later in his career. Sirnat out there number. Two players for different reasons could get some new contracts. Would be t. J. watt and mingka fitzpatrick. Now if you want to know more about the t. j. watt deal. Is it going to happen. Why should it happen. Why should they wait. I want you to go back two weeks ago. Dave scofield staticky. He didn't entire podcast on that topic. Why should they or. Why shouldn't they okay. So go check that out and then no one really is talking about. Make of its patrick. No-one simon megabits badger. Here's fifth year option picked up. I've got this sinking feeling. And i could be wrong. I'm wrong most of the time. But i had the sinking feeling that nigga fitzpatrick is going to get paid before this season and it would be a smart move. I think i think for reasons now. The salary caps expected to balloon next season supposed to go back up above where it wasn't twenty twenty which was one ninety eight down to one eighty three this year so think about if it balloons up above two hundred million which is what they're expecting if it does balloon they're gonna have. The steelers are going to have a lot of salary. Cap space available now. A lot of it's gonna be allocated to players like t. J. watt but if you get minkah fitzpatrick locked up in this is something ought to have day. Scofield look at if you could get fitzpatrick. Walked up get him. I don't know a four year extension. Maybe you could manage it now you now. You know exactly how much you can give. Tj watt now. You know you don't have to worry about that. You know exactly what you can t y but not not just tj. Now you can understand what maybe you could give trial edmonds. If you wanted to give him a contract at the end of the season it would really help them. Narrow their focus a little bit Not saying. I'm not saying. I'm predicting it to happen. I'm actually saying that. I don't know why. I've got a gut feeling that could happen or any of these contracts going to get done if undoing predictions the answer is no. I don't think anyone gets signed. Before the season i think they let hayden into castro. Ride it out their final year deals. If they're going to resign them they would do that. After the season i think the wadden mingka's badgered are going to get paid. i think. Tj watts gonna the first one to get paid then. Mega fitzpatrick will be paid the year following. So what else. What else could happen in the dog. Days of summer for the pittsburgh steelers. Maybe we see some new editions. And i'm talking about players here four positions. I think the steelers could identify his needs heading into the new season. But it's not going to be right away. I said this earlier. When i talked about what we learned from minicamp when the steelers were not done making moves i have outside. Linebacker already talked about that. Offensive tackle cornerback in tight. End those four positions. I could see them bringing in players most likely. They're going to wait most likely they're going to say let's take a wait and see approach here. Let's just stay back. Let's figure out our situation and then let's see then then will move. I think that's what the steelers are going to do. I do think that they are probably. Let's rank them. Let's do a ranking this for positions again the positions are outside linebacker. Tackle cornerback tied-in. I'd say out linebacker outside linebacker number one. I'd say cornerback number two. I would say offensive. Tackle is three tight end is for. I think outside linebacker. You just need some proven depth. And so maybe they get somebody that is you know has experience but is just one amongst a slew of other good pass rushers on any particular roster in this steelers can benefit from that offensive tackle. I'm not crazy about joe. I'm not sure if. Dan moore is ready. I hope i great. It'd be great if he was. But i'm not saying that he is ready. So that offense tackles an issue quarterback. We talked about how there are still some vacancies. There unless steeler see something from justin lane. I feel like they could be on the market for ross. Cockrel type someone that has experienced bigot. Bring in say a you know how to play the game. You know our system. You're a good zone. Cornerback that's primarily. What the steelers run. Bring him in tight end. I we wrote a training camp battle article the other day about tight ends and who will be the third if they keep three on the roster. Willoughby's act gentry. I'm not crazy about that. We'll be kevin reiter. Okay that's fine or will it. Be someone like dax raymond. It's going to come down to special teams but if the steelers want to say you know we're not keeping any of you. Were gonna bring in some of my jesse james or some unlike tyler. I for sure of tyler i for. It's still available to be completely honest. That's just named came to mind. Because i knew the free agent. I think the steelers could in will be making moves but again do not expect a new addition to this roster until the end of training camp. I that's just my gut feeling. That's what i think is gonna happen. That would be my prediction the going to sit back. They don't have a lot of cap space. You're going to see what happens in. Maybe there's a player that gets cut and if the player gets cut think of joe haden when he was signed to the steelers. Everyone was like there's no way that students can get him look where he is. Now keep that in mind all right last thing. Remember this about the dog days of summer folks. I've said it before. And i'll say it again. I'll continue to say it until they go to training camp. No news is good news. No news is good news when it comes to the dog days of summer if you can get through a summer and i'm talking about essentially the last of june and then the month of july if you can get through the summer as an nfl organization and you don't have injuries you don't have a disgruntled employee. That's talking about holding out wanting more money or wanting a new contract if you can get rid of any type of off. Field is situation whether it's domestic issue whether it's an arrest whether it's a dui whatever if you can get away from all of that stuff in the only thing that you hear. Are someone got a new contract. Someone is working hard doing good in the community. Raising money for the needy. Whatever the case is if you're hearing thumbs up two thumbs up but if you're hearing some news that's typically not a good thing so if things seem like you know. They're kind of the topics are kind of being worn thin. That's not a bad thing. That's really not a bad thing when you think about it in the grand scope of an off season because it can go bad in a big way. It can go bad in a big way during those dog days summer. All right as we always finished it up here on friday we do a little heart to heart. And if i do want to say you know fathers day's this weekend if you want to hear my thoughts on father's day which i don't know how many of you woke up today and said i'd love to hear jeffs thoughts on father's but in case you might be curious. I did a father's day podcast. it's something. brian. Anthony davis brought up. We did those christmas podcasts. Around the christmas holiday last year will be kinda shared our memories and things like that this year though. He said what we did for father's day. Why did the first one. It's already on our pod podcast platform so wherever you get your podcasts. Or steelers are buying the steel curtain. You'll see it says kids in father's day something jeff hartman's edition take listen. I explain how my father had an impact on my life with the steelers in my relationship with my children with the steelers. I'll leave it at that. I'll leave it at that. But what i wanted to talk today about what to expect the my heart to heart is what. What can you the fan of behind the steel curtain of. Let's ride of our whole podcast platform. What can you expect from us during these days because it can be tough like. I said it's tough on these media outlets not just us We are second hand news source. I always admitted that. I don't expect that to change anytime soon. Very rarely if ever will we be breaking news. Actually were the complete opposite when news breaks. We take what has happened and we are then hitting it secondary. So that's why we're secondhand news source so with that being said i want you to know that we are going to do the very best that we can to keep fans engaged and to keep fans focused on their favorite football team. And that is the pittsburgh steelers. We're going to have unique angles with film rooms where you're going to have a predictions. We are going to have something that this is a series of. I'll tell you this from terms of predictions. Something like i used to do. When neil coolong was the editor i was. He was the editor. And i was like his second hand. Man i was. I guess technically equipped debbie editor. We did we just picked a number. Okay twenty five days so we did a twenty five day countdown until training camp and we did a prediction every single day and we go back and forth so neil do want i would do the next one then abab you get it. David argonne do something similar. And so maybe we'll say like the prediction is nashi. Harris breaks franco harasses Rookie rushing record in steelers history. Okay that's the prediction. So we talk about it. We break it down. Then at the very bottom we give our prediction whether we think it will come true or whether it won't it's a really interesting way to not only countdown until training camp but also have fans think about well. Could this really happen this season. So we're gonna be doing things like that. Michael beck is going to be doing roster breakdown. Not the saying that he did. Last year was ninety players in ninety days. He's going to be doing it. Positionally breaking down the players ever guaranteed to make the roster players could make the in on a podcast side. We're also going to be getting creative. We will be unveiling that new some new shows coming up. I'm really excited. I can't wait to share this with you. But it's it's not ready to be shared yet. Just not ready to be shared yet so hope. That's something to look forward to. I hope that you still look forward to us in our podcast. Not just my podcast. All the morning shows but also rpm shows. We're talking about on mondays. The steelers hangover tuesdays wednesdays. The curtain call thursdays. My show with dave and brian the preview. We have friday extract with tony. We the touchdown under and tales from an all of it not to mention the factor fiction and the retro show. Podcast i just hope that you are ready for the off season. It's gonna be fun. It's still going to be fun to don't go anywhere we want to keep you engaged. If you have any topic ideas for me or for anyone else feel free to email me. Hit me up on twitter again. That's at j hartman h. a. r. t. m. a. n. underscore. T would be glad to talk about anything. You want to discuss all right folks. It's friday the weekend is upon us. Congratulations we made it through another week. We've made it through minicamp now. We gotta just wait and sit back and they're gonna be in training camp before you know it and that's when things get real hot and heavy. I'm excited i hope you're excited to all right. You know how we ended here be safe. Be kind and god bless heavy weekend. We'll see back here on monday burner.

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Steelers Burning Question: Should Joe Haden's extension be a priority for the Steelers?

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Steelers Burning Question: Should Joe Haden's extension be a priority for the Steelers?

"What's going on. This is jeff hartmann editor of behind steel curtain dot com with you for another episode of the steelers burning question the pittsburgh steelers are preparing for week three of the n._f._l. Preseason which as everyone knows is considered the quote unquote vinyl dress rehearsal for all the starters to play or we're gonna talk about bat. We're gonna talk about a lot of other stuff here on this burning question as well as answering your questions towards the end of the show now now. I want to do something new today before i even talk about the burning question to get the conversation going for those that are watching live on youtube. If you didn't know we had a youtube channel go to youtube sube search b._t. S._c. steelers radio and subscribe so you get all seven of russia's every single week during the season. I like to know where you are watching from at all. Where are you watching. Are you watching from the friendly confines of the four one area code that would be none other than pittsburgh pennsylvania or maybe you're like me and you're in enemy territory maryland. Yes ravens country. That's where i reside. That's kind of where b._t._s.'s s. Headquarters is now located so in a live chat. I think it's really cool just to take the time and see where you're watching front. I'll mention mentioned a couple of days as we go for instance mark davidson. This is awesome. I love this feature. Onstream aren't youtube can actually show these on the screen so mark davis and he's from australia watching from australia. That's pretty cool getting them with bill big fan of the show. He's obviously the winner of one of our contest. Has this off season. He's watching from california. It's always cool to have other people from all over. We gotta state college <hes> santa anna south carolina north north carolina california waverly pennsylvania. It's really really cool to see where everyone is is. There's a lot of people that are join. The live chat right now and they might be saying oh man this person. That's always in the live chat. I didn't know they lived in the same city as being. Maybe you have a little connection that pretty cool. A lot of people from the west coast are good to see everybody. Welcome back to another episode will continue to read through some of these as we go out there. Someone not too far for me in newport delaware. His village has got a lot of the power of the internet. Absolutely the internet can be absolutely nightmarish. I should times and we've seen that on more than one occasion on these shows when we've tried to transition over the youtube it's also really really cool for a lot of reasons of this being one of for them okay we three. Everyone wants to talk about the game and we will talk about the game coming up but that's not what i wanted to talk about today. I wanted to talk about something a little bit different and what that was is. I want to talk about joe haden in the biggest report that obviously he is the only person this this is for ed bouchette. Who's now the athletic formerly of his post gazette that he's the only player on the current roster. That's going to be facing free agency after after two thousand nineteen that is going to be get getting a look at possibly getting a new contract period so that means that all all the two thousand and others players the end of their rookie deals which is the two thousand sixteen draft class so already burns. You didn't have his fifth year. Option picked up <hes> the sean davis j von hargrave is the big three the steelers basically saying look. We're not gonna talk about contracts right now. We're focusing on on joe hate and it makes sense it does business. Decisions need to be made in sometimes business. Decisions can be tough decisions to make so while some of you may think this is a very clear cut answer. It might not be so the pittsburgh steelers cleared a little over three million dollars earlier earlier this off season when they restructured steph onto its contract. A lot of people. Were wondering at that time well. What exactly are they going to do with that money but that is not a lot of money in n._f._l. Sanders and n._f._l. Terms with the rising cost of player acquisitions so everyone assumed myself included the joe haden contract extension would give them more money joe. He'd do roughly eleven million dollars on the salary cap in in two thousand and one thousand nine hundred. That's a lot of money. It's a lot of money for a player on the wrong side of thirty. It's a player that really has not been super healthy throughout his career career and that includes his time with pittsburgh last year was pretty solid in terms of health but if you look back at his statistics since being drafted by the cleveland browns last last year's more of an aberration than the norm so let's try to keep our black can go glasses off for a second and think as businessmen and women right now. This is difficult to do for some people but we're going to try it so you look joe haden yielded web million dollars and you say should his new contractor his contract extension russian be a priority for the steelers. That's a difficult question to answer because you could eat the eleven million this year you could part ways with haight next year you could try tried to wait and see how he performs this year and maybe get hip cheaper next year because yet remember and this is something that i wrote in the article today when ebby released lisa report and i didn't article on that report is that the steelers will still have control over all of these players hargrave datus hayden <hes> burns it's bud duprey even until the new league year starts and up until that time they are allowed to negotiate new contracts once the season is over so those those people that think that oh my gosh are not resigning j von hargrave no one saying that they're saying that they're going to wait till after this season then they'll address it and likely they they wanna wait and see what kind of pay these people budget pre is the perfect example. He has never crude more than seven sacks in his career. He's he's a first round draft. Pick if he goes out this year it has double digits acts the steelers if they wanna keep him they're going to have to pony up some money because because outside linebackers or edge pass rushers in the n._f._l. That can accrue dotage zack's or not comet with that being said if he goes out has a very average season for budget pre standards has about five six six and a half sacks steelers can offer him a low ball deal and i'd say look. You've never really perform that well. You can test the freedom offers but this deal. You're gonna find is pretty fair. So what did they do with haight. They could eat need the money they can say. We're going to pay him his eleven million this year and we're going to bite the bullet this season in the next year not always hayden's eleven million off the books folks priscilla's antonio brown's mr third and fifth as we call here on these programs mr third fifth his money will be off his dead cap spe taste will be cleared and hit will be he will be able to think about the cap space that they would have without this two players on the books but does is joe haden performance on the field trump anything that relates to just a strictly business decision. That's the tough of question here so should it be a priority in my opinion. Joe haden extension should aid should end. I think is a priority for the pittsburgh steelers. I'm gonna tell you why first and foremost steelers. I'm trying to go. She ate a brand new contract correct. I am not interested in hearing joe haden wanting an extension y. I don't want to pay him eleven million dollars in two thousand nineteen <unk> period with this being said okay so two thousand in nineteen. I wanna get that cap number down. Let's say a we can get it from eleven million to i'll go with five million getting in five a million. That's what i'd like to see so now. You're saving six million dollars this year combine that with the two it money which is a little over the three and you've now created almost ten million dollars in cap space now lance williams chimes in and this is a great question and says why would you take less. He's not taking less. He's going to get that money to save money that he would be getting this season. In a signing bonus. He's not kinda lose any money he'll sue eleven million dollars this season and it would be still have him in the upper echelon of quarterbacks average making that what they make per year. He's at the upper tier of that in terms of pay so say look. We want to read you a new deal. We're gonna give you a new three year. Contract traffic going to burn up the old one. You're still get your eleven million dollars due this year because we backloaded his contract when they picked him up as a free agent with the browns ditched it so here's what i wanna do. Is it five million dollars base salary for this season. You get six million signing bonus. You're gonna cut his is his cap head down and then i'm gonna obviously extended ended out over the next two years after that. Make sure that you're giving him. The money back loaded again but that's going to be when antonio brown's money is off the books. We'll see what happens how lance is chiming and saying he wants eleven point plus five meaning. He wants the eleven million did he do this year plus five that's when i say you know what it's been fun. It's been real but you know what i could do. Is i could take the money. I would save on you next year. Antonio brown's money off the books and and i can go find somebody else. I get a free agent. I could get a steven nelson type. I could hope that someone maybe it's already burns kinda resurrects his career replays well and they give him a very team friendly deal. I'm not suggesting here don't go off. Don't go crazy in the live chat that i don't. I don't think they're saying that. I'm not suggesting that inter that already burnt says the next answer. I'm not saying there's going to be players. Available that will be cheaper than joe haden. Who like i said isn't the wrong side of thirty. I would not give him any longer than three years period. I just don't have any interesting giving him a long term term deal because i don't trust his health as it is. I won't trust it as he gets older either so for me. That's what i would do. Is it a priority forty. Which is the ultimate burning question here right now. Yes yes yes yes. I definitely do think it's a priority. I don't think they should be dealing with hargrave. Davis davis at debris. Y budget pres getting over nine million dollars this year anyways. Why do you need to renegotiate with him when he's proven hardly anything in in terms of value all the players on the rookie deals. You're getting them on the cheap so this is where the business decision has to come in. If you're an owner of the team if your general general manager i want sean davidson j von hargrave on the cheapest deal possible. Why because i know that going to have to make sure that i paid him next year. So why would i try to give them a new deal which is gonna come with new money new incentives and all that stuff. I say do what they're doing right now. I support what they're doing right now. You'll the deal with hargrave. You'll deal with davis. You'll do depre- burns anyone else. After this season joe hayden is the number one person to deal with right now but it has to be the right deal if what lance is saying eleven plus five and i construed that the right way that he wants his eleven million this year plus five. I don't think so this episode is brought to you by c._b._s. Sports h._q. So much of sports t._v. Nowadays is full of made up drama. It's a bunch of hot takes from people who don't believe what they're saying just beating the same topics into the ground but c._b._s. Sports eight cues to change all that it's a network that streams live five twenty four seven in their coverage just focused on the game they bring you the latest news highlights previews and reactions to all the onfield action fantasy sports experts birds will give you the info you need to make the right calls for your lineup. No fake debates. No politics just sports for real sports fans the best news of all. It's it's free. 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We ask the phone with you and we're giving away at autograph evolving all pro player david cash show so dave dave scofield. I did my piece. Don't y'all me later so check it out. Okay so i think personally that hayden is a priority. What do you think that's a question so go ahead. If you're in the live chat fire away your answers i'll throw some of the best ones up and and then we'll get into our q in ada and out the show which is always fun especially with week three of the preseason coming up. I'm sure you have a lot of questions so for me. I'm curious to see what you guys. Look forseeing on this sunday night okay so darren. Dalton says that the draft free agency for cornerbacks next year sure. I think that's always an issue but you have to ask yourself. Are they going to be able to find someone that can actually stick. You know steven nelson. The the book is still out. You'll we'll get some of the previous defensive backs that they've gotten mike mitchell average at best mortgage brunette. That was a dud all along <hes> and you look at some the draft picks that they've had some of the deals that they've made court has allen antoine blake. Whatever he calls sell valentino <hes> you know i. I don't know so steelers. Fan nineteenth says how much money this year is going to have next offseason spent. It's really tough to say because there's so many different factors that tie into salary salary cap space. Let me give you an example first and foremost you have to say okay antonio brown's. Money's gonna be off the books. That's gonna give them a lot of space <hes>. Let's say they renegotiate. Hey contract. That's gonna give them more space. Any space does leftover from two thousand nineteen automatically rolls over to twenty twenty so let's say they do go outside side a tight at which could very well have it in a sign a tight end but they still have five million dollars left because you never know with if you're going to need to sign somebody else and so event five million dollars is never used it rolls over into their salary cap at twenty twenty. Let's also not forget. There's going to be players that get cut. There's going to be players that don't get resigned and there's also going to be one of those situations where the salary cap always seems to go up and when it goes off teams can spend then more money which gives them more salary cap space on average. It goes up roughly ten percent. Sometimes it's a little bit more. It's rarely less and so you look at it that way say well. That's gonna be more space for the steelers to go out and spend some money so there is no clear cut answer that right now as the season goes on and those projections for the salary recap into those twenty come out. That's when you have a better idea as to how much as this yields for have tyler bradshaw gives the dollar ninety nine in the temperature. We appreciate these jimmy smith logan ryan. Jason barrett free agents big names. They're the remember the big name players are gonna come with a big price tag. That's is not the steelers n._f._l. Just remember that just remember that okay solitaire. <hes> swifty pool says signing hayden extension seems more a sensible but if at a crazy amount plan b free agency that's what we will do. That's seem to always do. I agree with that. One hundred percent <hes> create excess. We need hate and he's still a shutdown corner three year. Extension is the best i would go. I agree with that a hundred percent <hes> let's see here. Felicia says i like joe but i'm going to wait and see what's the best opportunity financially for the team the steelers and omar khan know what to do. They're not going way to go and give any ridiculous contract. I think that it's gonna be <hes>. I think is going to be something to watch this contract contract from what i've kind of picked up you pick up little bits and pieces here and there in my opinion this contract to go down to the witching hour. There's always that crazy the story about troy paula mola when he signed his second contract with the team that he literally signed on the dotted line in an airport getting ready to go on a plane and go to their week gwen game. I remember the steelers do not negotiate contracts once the season starts so if paulo and got on a plane no deal got done into after the season does not suggest wouldn't have done the whatev- but at the same time is this could this could be up to the last second and that's not good for the steelers to be honest thomas with you because this year is going to get this deal done the sooner the better said they have an idea as to how much they can spend because i do think that they want to get a a couple more pieces for this team number one being tight end. I think that's paramount. They need a tight end bad and it might have to come via trade a probably we're going to get a player. That's going to be any type of difference maker from the scrap heap when they cut down from ninety two fifty three but i think they want to make some moves so keep they keep your eye out for that. Kevin dubost says jeff can you over the steelers schedule win-loss <hes>. If you want in-depth schedule stuff go back back and re youtube channel you can find us any podcast platform ago all the way back to what is it may or may maybe late april. I go back to the spring and you can watch myself brian. Anthony davis dave scofield. We go through every single week. We give all of our predictions and we give our end of the season record prediction. I'll give you a hint. Actually i won't tell you. I said that they will be thirteen and three. I think they're you're going to have a really good year. So there you go <hes>. Let's see here any of the questions that you might have obviously obviously go ahead and fire away in the live chat and i'll be glad to answer those so here we go twenty seven cents cities as i like people say oh we love number twenty three. That's obviously referring to joe haden. Well think about it. He is up there in age and what has he done. Since game the steelers two interceptions in two years to injuries in two years those are facts. Those are cold hard facts now. I won't go ahead say that he does have a calming influence on the defense and he is a great communicator on the defense and then he's not in their defense is not as good. I'm not going to say that there are more are important factors to a player's worth to a team then say interceptions interceptions great yeah but if joe hayden is blanketing a player in there always during the opposite side of the field. You can't fault him for not getting interception to keep that in mind <hes> let's see here. Steelers fan nineteen see steel curtain article on the steelers quarterback situation and no i did not <hes> land saying lance williams joe haden his his base salary is ten million. You have to give him that as a bonus team started a conversation. I said that that's what i said lance. I said that you have to get would give him a bonus all the money that he was do maybe a little bit more but i wanna drive down his two thousand nineteen cap number period. I'm trying to save cap space ace. If i'm the steelers doing this deal and if he wants a king's ransom i'm not gonna give it to them based on those previously mentioned factors. There's just the way it is is all right so isaac says. Would you be shocked. If the defense outshines the offense this season shocked no surprise yes there's varying degrees of shock and awe i guess and so i would not be shocked but i would be surprised i think the steelers offense is going to be pretty good so in that case if the steelers defense is better than i think steeler fans will be very very happy so there you have that steelers fan nineteenth says the steelers went anywhere from ten to thirteen games this year <hes> let's see here. <hes> alain says i will. I wanna post record. I'll just say this finish behind the the patriots and the chiefs in the a._f._c. They'd be playing in the wildcard game. According to that <hes> mark says jeff. Do you know of any other n._f._l. Teams of podcast websites as such as this show like the steelers do well. I can't say that every single n._f._l. Blog website for s._p. Nation vox media has a podcast platform that does not mean that they all live stream on youtube like we do i would say that we are actually one of the few websites that have a live and active youtube channel and also live active podcast platform and we are one of the few sites that will livestream 'cause a lot of people are not comfortable doing live audio. They want to be able to take audio. They make a mistake. They want us place it. This is live. This is me in my dining room with a bland background talking about the steelers with those loved the steals like i love the steelers for over thirty minutes edits and when it's the steelers preview or when it's standard is a standard of the steelers hangover when it's day on the steelers tacky lance on the i said it. All of us are going straight. You'd live if we make a mistake like. I think it was last week of or this sunday. This deal is standard is a standard. My youngest daughter started crying in the background. This is live live. It's a lot of people aren't comfortable with that. We do we're fine. Were roll with it. We find that. I think the audio's good and we rip it all over on our podcast platform so i i don't know if all the other teams have <hes> podcast on youtube you can check out their podcast platforms for short just by searching the site name their s._p. The nation citing <hes> sabrina says what do you think about already burns. He's looking really good like i said before sabrina. This is a situation where if already burns can have a bounceback season. It is the best case scenario for the steelers. What i'm saying is that if they were to trade him his trade stock would be higher if they want to keep him he'd be very good insurance policy with really good <hes> get experience under his belt to step in for with steven nelson or joe haden. If already burns tanks. That's not good news that makes their defensive backfield depth a lot unless you're relying more on camera sudden who they want to utilize in some of their sub packages as a nickel cornerback. Keep that in the back of your mind as well. The walls are corner and he doesn't get picked on much teams. Usually through the other side he drops a lot of picks also hopefully as a change their exchange okay. Would you choose c._b._s. She seventy four. Would you choose hargrave over signing hate not right now. I kind of said that earlier. He is on on a rookie deal. I am not going to touch his contract until the end of the league year and his lance williams says hargrave will be unrestricted region. I know but not until the new league year starts in march up until then. I have the rights to him and i'm going to get a deal done now. This is your betting on hard raise betting on himself if he goes out get seven or eight sacks and that's comp coupled with a six and a half year last season two thousand eighteen the pay period this year's going to pay it so <hes> i think i still gonna still gonna as a businessman here. If i'm putting myself in omar khan and kevin colbert art rooney the second shoes not touching those rookie deals because they're cheap and i wanna save money. That's just me though kevin doba says jeff. Do you think that devin evan bush will have a rookie of the year type season well. I'm really anxious to see what he doesn't three not so much that the tennessee titans are some great litmus test but also that it's one of those things where i can see him making enough plays and the way he's so athletic and fast that he's gonna get a lot of attention. You get a lot of attention. You're gonna have your name in the hat for some of those rookie or the end of the year awards. I actually do think he has a really good chance dance to have a rookie of the year type season. There's going to be some other defensive rookies to keep an eye on as well as my wife wants me to tell you that i get absorbed when you are on. I'm glad you're watching it. I'm glad watch so <hes> lance regards to her grey says if he plays well he'll get paid. That's what i said but as an owner. I'm going to gamble on that. That's fine because remember we had all caps base from brown mr third going off the books. We're going to be smart about had it. I would give him one of those team. Friendly deals in the upfront. I'd make him happy. He has to prove to me that he's a part time player too. So this year i'd have to talk to the coaching staff and say look this hargrave gay kids. He's producing alive but at the same time he's not even playing all the time. What's did you hear what what are you trying to do. I want to see how they utilize j von hargrave this year. 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You'll receive your first month treatment for free at keeps dot com slash sb nation. That's k. e. P. s. dot com slash sb nation. Let's see here a lot of people chiming in steel gun and play. I guess can you confirm this. This year's mr plasmas because of basel than bell. Is you know you bring a lady on bell whereas we call this show but naked and robbed <hes>. It's one of those situations where i can't stand how the mainstream media i've really can't stand it how they always refer to this jewish be without bell and brown and two dozen nineteen. They didn't have balance. He doesn't eighteen wake up jeez. James carter headed a pro bowl season in they're still thinking like almost you gonna do the lady on bell the same thing they did two thousand eighteen without lady on bell and that was put an all a pro noble running back on the football field. I'm glad you brought him up because that's something that kind of sticks in my craw little bits. I'm glad you said that <hes> and a lot of people are talking about the quarterback. Quarterback match-up called a matchup between mason rudolph joshua dobbs. That's going to be very very interesting battle to watch as you get onto the final two games if i had to say whose neck and neck masonry of a little bit ahead i'm mason rudolph and i would love to say that he's got got that locked up. I don't think he does yet. I don't think he does yet not yet. Okay so let's see here i'm trying to. I'm trying to get caught up people he has. He has reacted at ludlow. Allen's is jeff. Do you see the steelers picking up or trading for tight dan yes i do. You're going to say which tight end. I have no clue i really don't. I don't know what other teams might be a shopping. They're tight ends. I don't have any idea what other titans might be released. I'm not looking for another vance mcdonald. What i'm looking for is another net spaeth. Thank about him. He's a tremendous blocker. He could catch the ball from time to time they didn't want to do that. I want a guy that can go out and block and it can as an option has have him as an option in the passing game but not at this as a necessity kevin. Tubas vance's can have a big season. Will you think jeff <hes>. I think he could if he stays healthy if he sees healthy. That's it's a big f we'll see <hes> reginald says i'm not impressed with anthony tikolo. Why not cut him. What is he done. During the preseason well hugh's been in he was injured last game. They like him on special teams. They like him as death. He knows the defense and he's on the cheap. You could cut him but at the same time. You're not going to see a lot of money and you're going to give that contract. Most of the time the steelers will honor that contract all right so there you go. The baikal rainy says the best starters versus starters this sunday night week three steelers titans. It's going to be interesting to see it. It's one of those situations where i always say. You know you always talk about hey. It's the final dress rehearsal. Whatever you wanna call it three. It's really tough. It's really tough to kind of wrap. Your head around isolated rothlisberger might play a quarter and after that some other starters might linger. I might see alejandro villanueva couple of their offense lineman play the first half. You might see the defense player first half. It's really tough. It's really really be tough to see exactly what's going on with that so here. We got <hes>. Do you think this is going to be the best all-round steelers b._b._c. in a long time. That's tough to say. I liked the defense back. When william gay was still on the team <hes> ryan shazier is still healthy vince williams uh-huh was the young younger player. <hes> james harrison has come back. I thought that was a pretty good defense to be totally honest with you. I do think this defense has the capabilities of being better but at the same time yet okay here. We go five dollars from snow main present tip jar. We appreciate you think this year's will pick up different putter. Who've that's something dave. Scofield put in our fifty three win roster prediction. I believe last week and said said hey. I don't think reporters all the roster right now. Either the punters ian berryman in jordan barrier pressing me and so if there's a partner around there yeah why not a give them a shot at campaigning worse right a- so year sean kevin. Nobody has any snell thoughts. This is a tough one for me. Because honestly i was one of those things i was one of those people who either by winners and losers call them after the first week i had them in my losers call very disappointed. It's one of those situations is where a lot of people say. I you know it's he's rookies on playing behind a good line. I remember when james carter was a rookie iron. Relating on bell was rookie. I i remember when all these players or rookies and they never looked that slow and ineffective <hes> then as is similar benny any smell so i'm not saying he's done. I think he's still makes the team. He's got as one of lance's appease pay pedigree pedigree obvious talking about so. I think it'll be fine but at the same time the they need him to lose some weight they needed to get some speed and all the everything else will take take itself but is felicia says he's look good on special teams. What does that mean probably gonna make the team said there you have that are we'll get a couple more questions and <hes> or comments i should say until we actually had this show over with. Its vinyl ending point all right here. We go andres draze e._s._p._n. Is reported the kevin cole. Put himself on the hot seat belts any contract agree with that. I don't agree with that <hes>. I think that chemical realizes realizes that maybe he's not all sold on staying for two or three more years. I think it's a hot seat situation. I think it's more him realizing that maybe here's a wanna be a general manager until he's seventy something. He's sixty two now. I believe maybe once retiring wants to spend the second half of his life doing something other than stressing hang out about an n._f._l. Team twenty four hours a day seven days a week. Ali said we should all love the young studs we have a quarterback and running back watching a groom for years to com that is something that is new recently outside of the offensive line. The steelers are pretty young football team. They're a young up and coming football all team and yet quarterback is a position of age but other than that they should be fun team to watch. That's onset fun team to watch chatswood. I love i love when you get those dealer teams that they might not be the best. They might not be the most talented but they've got grits. They've got determination and got all those characteristics that most people think when they talk about the pittsburgh steelers. That's what i like and i think this does nineteen. Team is going to be the same way. Isaac thurs ten dollars in a tip jar says i'm a lot more confident. The backup quarterback bent down really nate. Mason rudolph can do well. I won't be saying crap. Jones is crab jones's starting where screwed. I think mason rudolph has shown he's cable here a couple of things i've noticed different about mason rudolph whereas i don't see a lot of changes in joshua dobbs from year to year ear three mason rudolph from your want to here's what i see. He's better footwork. He has better pocket mobility. He seems to be more agile and faster her coming. Out of oklahoma state a lot to be said that he was essentially a statue backfield. I don't see that now. He looks to have more ben rothlisberger type a <hes> elusiveness in the pocket. His arm strength has gotten better. Go back and watch the past that he threw third-down. I wanted to say his third down in eleven to james washington over the middle. That ball was a dart it. That was another thing those cut on in coming out of college is that he doesn't in have good arm strength. He has worked on this stuff. He looks better. He looks more precise with his route reading in in his anticipation of where players should be understands. Things better people you know people would always say <hes> last year <hes> mason rudolph he struggled would under center. He never played under center. It's people were saying. This is the reason why the kid was awful. Go back and watch last year game became. Tell me how many times is ben. Rothlisberger is under center a game on average. I would say maybe seven to ten snaps again. That's it. That's it so. Sermon says that a man crush mason rudolph and what might be true snowman. I'm trying to look at this from a straight up and down not skewing anything one way or the other. Josh widows has in my opinion. He looks like the same quarterback is last year. He's going to use his legs when he needs to. He he obviously is going to have a big arm but he lacks accuracy a lotta times. He's going to understand the playbook. He's going to understand where to go <hes> but at at the same time he still has that tangible that makes him someone you wanna keep around so we'll see <hes>. Let's hear ali says eight lifts is calm down the mason rudolph stuff until mason heads excess against the first team defense which some might say he did last week although i guess maybe jeeves had started to take out some of their stars before his touchdown drive we'll see how does it'll be really interesting to see who gets the start. After ben roth has released a game. My guess is is joshua dobbs because they they typically alternate from one than the other so joshua dobbs started week one as for us or do we to give actually three bent leaves dobbs president and that's my guest so we'll see how that pans out okay great show everybody really appreciate all the time and effort for those who are in the live chat i. I hope you all enjoyed it. I hope that you understand that. We are a really good little community in here. I know that there's actually been some people that have listened on podcast for him that have gone onto youtube and created a you know a g mail account or a youtube account subscribe to our channel and came washed just because they heard so much about the live chat on our podcast so with that said you know if you're in the live chat we really appreciate all the time you spend and watch as live <hes> obviously behind this curtain. Dot com should be your one. Stop shop for all things pittsburgh. 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While you're at it, head over to defector DOT COM to learn more about defector media and subscribe now for special prelaunch discounts. Pittsburgh steeler fans welcomed the behind the still curtain family of podcast. You're run Anthony Davis alongside me, Dave Scofield, and Jeff Hartmann. Unfortunately, we are not with one Ivan Ike Taylor right now. I had to reschedule this just happened within the last half hour because of family issues we are working on getting that interview set up for tomorrow sometime and we are working with the know. People right now to get that, we're not going to put out a time we're going to. Stay tuned to be pse for whether it be on twitter instagram or on facebook or just check out www dot behind the curtain dot com for all information Jeff Dave Welcome. What's? Up. So. Here's the thing we've got. Thing. You know you made it to start dark storm. All sorry, guys. So. This is awful. We'll we'll have to. We'll have to put a a comment up there Dave if you throw that up. So I figured if you guys want to since I'm wearing the twenty four Jersey right now if you want to interview me, you can or we can just go ahead and reconvene tomorrow right now and just great apologies for everybody here. Of course, everyone's everyone's flying into the live chat right now. And a question for you guys got. All right. So, yesterday, there were two injuries, Ed camp. Kevin Dodson, the guard rookie fourth round pick, and then it was is it Dax Raymond that he says name Dax Raymond Yep okay? Both those players are deemed to be short term injuries as Mike Tomlin said today. which do you think is more important which which one do you think is gonNA impact more. Brian. Well. I gotTA. Tell you I'm thinking it's really going to impact. Both because they're both trying to get a job here, DAX actually has a pretty good opportunity to battle with Zach Gentry for that. Third tight end spot or maybe on the practice squad. So you know what? I'm probably going to say DAX more because Kevin datsuns probably going to get the job. Regardless. Big Cause of being a high fourth round draft choice out of Louisi- Louisiana Lafayette just like the fourth round draft pick that's not on the show with us today Ike Taylor. Dave. My answer is I would've give you a an excellent Dave answer you could. You could Wayne for these forever Jeff here's the David. It is more important than the one. That's a bigger deal that it's a bigger injury is more important to the steelers. Is Dotson the one that's more important to the player is Raymond because he's he's gotta go out and prove that he's a guy that could stick around even if it's just what the practice but so it's it's more for the player Raymond's one who needs to get back more. But for the steelers, it's Dotson that needs to that you want to have him in the mix and and as a viable backup for the you think dodd's in chasm legitimate chance of actually. Being a starter or playing as a rookie 'cause I don't I don't see any way shape or form that this guy plays here barring massive amounts of injuries. That's true I. I completely agree with that. But at the same time, if he's a guy that you're looking at I mean if you're looking at it from Gist just put your twenty twenty glasses on if you're having twenty twenty vision right Brian Anthony Davis. That's A. Joke. That that yeah, I don't know that anyone is either. One of those players is gonNA impact anything on the field this year. But when you're talking about the overall development, they need to know if Kevin Dotson is someone that's going to be able to be a starter eventually for this team down the road when it comes to make future draft picks and future free agent acquisition I think it's I think it's Raymond because I'm not sold on Gentry like Brian. And if they're going to keep three tight ends, which is a possibility, know the in our predictions. But we did for buying the still curtain dot com Dave and I said, they're gonNA keep to Ibrox McDonald and I don't know what they would do. If there was an injury practice squad eligible guys like gentry and Raymond but I think if they're going to keep a third, it's at the camp battle that maybe no talking about. Because I haven't heard anyone talk about it. If they're gonNA, keep three tight ends, you know the first two, the third is up in the air. So I think right now Zac probably pumping his fist you don't want to celebrate injury, but he's thinking I've got an inside edge. Now this guy can practice I'm out here. Healthy. Let me show what I can do that. We'll see I agree with you absolutely one hundred percent because datsuns. Regardless yeah. I mean he he's a he's a rookie. He's cheap doesn't cost anything is fourth round considered a high pick. Brian labeled him as a high fourth round pick is a fourth round pick. It's there too high pick. A second day pick I consider a low pick. Anything on the third day well, actually this was. I do apologize but I. I. Think. Cut it off kind of your trading. You'd much rather have a fourth and a fifth. There's there's a great divide. You have a lot better chance to make the team. I would say in my own mind that fifth the fifth round is where you get that question mark of will they make the team? If a fifth round pick does not make the team. And ended up on the practice squad. That's not as big of a deal. If a fourth round pick doesn't make the team to me, that's the cutoff. So he's he's within that and that's why I think it's a big deal when afford trumpet does not make does not make the squad for absolutely that's what you you said it better than what I said it. So thank you. Hey Real quick i. just saw this core stained. Put this up Dave look at this MRI matthew advancing. Number GAMP livestream. was excited. He actually message me on slag like all of our question. This is just like what Bj Finney told him that his twitter handle is cool. Which really disappointed me because it's like thirty thousand characters long. Man she she put your she mustard it. What did she say I don't know but she she mustered up she's I do better than to say the name. But it was it was not that complicated missing it Stupor Steeler, Fan Dad steelers fielder. Super Fans Best Buddy with dog. And Roars and it was either. But. I just saw the popular tweet out about of by Alfred that went out there because a lot of people don't always ask that question and it was about how many Keep, and how do they keep on extended on the expanded practice squad, and of course, missy didn't answer. The question might pursue to did and he basically gave the same answer that we gave on our. Fifty three man roster breakdown. So that just goes to show even you know even the people sitting there in the stadium watching they're not giving any better insight than what we can figure out ourselves. I'm sorry i Taylor's got me a little. Yes seen. Just jumping in and miss the announcement at we are rescheduled for hopefully tomorrow with time to be determined with one. EIVIND BR yeah. I Taylor Ivan Taylor I because I don't think he has a middle. Name. I thought it was Taylor's thought. It went usually I look for middle names are just says Ivan Taylor Hey. If you if you heard my show the other day this jeff smile I'm trying to make Jeff Smile I'm GonNa have to go up to his house and give them a big hug because he's He looks annoyed. We love middle names here and it all started because of. Benjamin Todd Rothlisberger. But my favorite one now is Michael Pedal Way Tomlin. Headway headaway like pt or P. E. D. P. E. T. T. W. A. Y. Pathway headaway. That's I. I have never heard Elon I never, and I look I'm like somebody just like A. Put this on you to put this on Wikipedia, just to be funny then I looked around and everywhere else it's. Michael. Pedal. Way Tomlin. Learn something new everyday fans I. Hope you tune in for all this because so. Well. This is basically ninety minutes of US sharing our disappointments. And like Alex. I dropped the ball. Glenn Beck. Should. Card. Which occurred Who would have been the backup to I Taylor? So let's say we had this line that bike. If I is not available, we're GonNa go to you. He brought up. Coakley. Who would you all have? I know I know Brian's he would have gone to send quiz goals and the guy that never laughed send what? Was your favorite he. Never, with Ike. So we can't bring him up. Did you say it's Quiz Golson was the best cornerback to ever lived at never played a snap in the NFL I'm sure there's more and more time but for right now profitably warhead him exceptions and colleges senior. Year. He's knocking everybody around in the SEC. cornerback to never play. Boom. Goals Hey in theory he was a good pick. You can't be a bus. Thing cat. Bust is incorrect there one Brian Anthony Todd Davis, here's my thing. Never get a chance to. Never, plant game that doesn't mean you're crappy player it's just like you're just not a healthy of no luck. You're not a healthy player never made it on the field he was drafted. Fan But. Up where he was drafted. Can't be read a chance can't outlet pants did he live up to where he was drafted its unmeasured? Did. He also did he live up to where he was drafted? US Don't WanNa say the word the easiest I know. They've had a go real quick. I would go with if I'm GonNa back I Taylor is probably say Chad's got but spring Chad's. Scott. Let's dig up his old Ben's. He's not dead. That's just a euphemism Let's bring. Yeah. One year I guess you had a good year. He wasn't. He was around chats. I mean 'cause Taylor came in three and. Four not three Wuzzy. Yeah he left the me. Then, he went to the Patriots. Ended up priorities. Now, this is this is going to be a good one Jaffrey Benedict's top chimes in. Who so what person on the show is the worst hands since I give here to take background WHO's going to own up to it? That's not going to be me I've got pretty good hands I. He's Is. Actually. I do I do I can tell a story if you want. Well. I'm not a much joe borough I don't have the little hands. I have big hands, but they're big clumsy, and so I'll say that I'll be the one who drops it so. I can I was actually pretty good. Catching I was just slow as molasses I think Dave was faster than I was. I think Dave we'd be in a foot race. We've seen Dave kick ever. See Him catch. I. It was undocumented. But I saw that the fourth attempt sailed through the UPRIGHTS. And it was gorgeous. Okay. So Brian. Who's your backup to Taylor? If I I can't go? He made up an excuse in. So what's your excuse website? What's your backup? Willie Williams. Willia- Williams. Okay. Because technically will Willie Williams was on the team for A. In two, thousand, four or five he was back. That's okay. Let's bring. You Dave you bring it on the podcast if i Taylor backs out like he did today. Let's. Let's go. Let's go Troy Paula. Cornerback game let's say you'd have to be a corner. Every single player we brought up so far Sanchez Golsen Chad's got shit. was aired years later I mean, that's Quarter. Doesn't have to play with Ike. I'm not saying who would you want? I WOULD WANNA podcast who do you want on the podcast? Let's see. Corner went to Shea. You just said Willie Williams. Heartache Coakley. Answer. That would I thought that was was was pretty. You know pretty. Sly there with the way that went with it but yeah. Geoffrey Geoffrey Benedict's is if I was legitimately looking for someone for the podcast, it would be a big play Willie gay he had a he had. A love worried. Yeah that's a good one. Hot Rod Wilson. Woodson maybe. That guy's awesome. I would I was looking defensive back at it runs to be I. Hey. Let's just go current. I. Want Joe Haden. Would you rather have Joe Haden or Steven Nelson the podcast I want Joe Haden. How on Steven Nelson? I'm going Steven Nelson one because you don't hear from them all the time into. Who who was it? That was asked I think it might have been make if it's Patrick was asked who's who the funniest guy was in the locker room. And he said Steven Nelson. Yeah, that's true. Sets a yeah. He's in fact he's probably pretty entertaining guy but I I'm sure. I mean. Joe, Haden. That guy that guy's all personality though too. So I can't say who do you think? It someone bribed Keenan Lewis. Then we let with the steelers it was court has Alan or dissolved. Antoine Blake. or no no Allan Tino. In, there are still not in Santa's Golsen is still not as good as those guys. Won't he just did not get the chance to I'm never gonNA live down the Okay. All right. Have a good point though. Did. We change the headline like captain underpants that he doesn't like the title he wanted. Stone hands. I just wrote BEF Legend interview postponed. That's just changed to the steelers. Pretty you guys talk about randomness for. The steelers talk we talked about the injury report and everything. Now here's the question. Is this good enough to go on the streaming platform? Nina podcast bipolar. Yeah. I think it's going on. Thursday by. All right. So now that we are we`ve All shared her disappointment and if we can do this again tomorrow I won't be. Yes I know I mean. You know this was. All hyped up already to go where August here we're getting ready to do the interview and then we worked so. We'll try to. I'm the guy who had to break the news to the two other guys and. And I felt terrible doing it. It's not your fault. That's what I said in the live chat it's not our fault we radio we're ready to roll. We were so. But hopefully, we can have this tomorrow. So we're not. We're just GONNA show up. Well, we'll be back tomorrow night. No matter what. You ship. Talking about what's The let's tease adult what's the conversation then? So we are continuing looking at. The most irreplaceable players on each unit. So we are going defensive line and I think there's some guys that we can really talk about tomorrow. So we'll be talking about the the steelers defensive line and we will have other fun and Chicanery to follow. We will get to talk about your son Carlos. Carlos Davis yes. My young one So I'm I'm very I'm very. Every better Dick said, this interview is a bus. Quiz Golsen a bust. Snowman Guy, China, and two bucks. Welcome back. Jeffers arm. Thank you man I appreciate it. So I don't know Tony Tony Ito has a name. Snowman. Robin. Masters and if you don't know what that means, he was the he was the anonymous Millionaire billionaire on the your magnum Pi series so and and it was robin. Masters, since Snowman is definitely one of our best benefactors as far as the super chat goes. And Lilia this Sean Manahan backup to. Tony Dungy. Two dollars thanks Sean. Dundee be good interview. For Awesome Yeah. I work on that debt. That's that's your that your next ask, sir. Well, for those for those are watching live. Make sure you tune in tonight for back in black. Geoffrey Bennett has been very active in the live chat today and Michael Vick will be here to talk about the steelers chances of running the north in twenty twenty s winning the AFC north in. If you're not listening and I'll listening live macy's check it out on our audio platforms wherever it is listen majority of people listening on I tunes give us a five star rating. Give a good comment it all helps exposure. But my goodness. If you're not listening to our audio platforms, you're missing a lot of stuff. Bryan steelers retro show days static that should be going tomorrow date. Should be your. Be Interview Taylor right now to we'll have to see maybe haven't family. Mary no, that's perfect. And then I've been doing training camp recaps in my let's ride the morning. So we have a lot of content that's not on Youtube. So if you're just sitting there like what are they talking about go to any any place you find podcasts even Pandora, I was stunned by that you get a Pandora and you actually find our podcast they're just by searching behind the steel. Curtain. So, Brian Aiding data that. No just make sure you download subscribe to these platforms. You don't WanNa be watching US while you're in the car. So that's the perfect chance to go ahead. Have Free Podcast don't die because we're so cool to look at. The best color main league for nothing. Shohei stretch twenty minutes out of nothing. The seinfeld this is GonNa be two minutes Max. Dave. When you said, let's go on actually started as like well. I I seriously knew was going to be to. Never two minutes, it's never minutes. That's what she's so anyways. All right. This was more of an after party than anything. We haven't done this in a while. Why not? Well. Some. More now for later and he's watching the car, my Gosh don't do that in Iraq. mean. 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The Steelers Preview, Part 2: Steelers fans cant claim that Ben Roethlisbergers not a team player anymore

Behind the Steel Curtain

33:36 min | 3 months ago

The Steelers Preview, Part 2: Steelers fans cant claim that Ben Roethlisbergers not a team player anymore

"Support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. What would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars. Buy a plane ticket paid on your student. Loan treat yourself to those shoes. You benign with progressive. You could find out drivers who switch and save save an average of seven hundred ninety six dollars on car insurance get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you could be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey who save with progressive and twenty nineteen. Are i pittsburgh steeler fans welcome back to the second part of the steelers preview. I'm jeff hartman. Co editor behind steel curtain dot com. Joining me as always brian. Anthony davis our podcast producer. And the co editor dave scofield. So one of our own. Mr peril natty from down under. He gave us to to to ninety nine in dingo dollars in. He said and i have to put this up there. Keep us money. do we do. We try trading mason rudolph's to draft a younger project. I gotta say this. And dave. I heard you mention it. I said this in. I said it a million times in a bunch of shows and anytime there's a trade people i say all the time i got on my wednesday. Let's ride. I did the live on the locker room app and it was fun and i said what about the steelers. Should trade back stieg. Well someone else wanna trade up for the steelers to trade back. So in this scenario it's great to sit there and talk about unicorns and rainbows and say wouldn't be great to get a third round pick for mason. Who wants mason rudolph right now. Who wants to give up any pick for mason rudolph right now. The guys this as a logical option. I think you know where i stand. Abc ready yeah. Well it's funny. Because i'm good at bustle. Mattie pilo bit but he was bringing this up because a lot of people were talking about in the live chat. This was brought up sooner. But i'm gonna bust people because he's the key he must be the trade master. Because of these these drafts twenty. Traffic's he'd trade back love your mattie. I'm just because i can Maybe i might enjoy the t with with the show here coming up soon but my thing is is remember last year when people were screaming about how. The steelers are big careless. If they don't address the backup quarterback position i mean. They had no money but they wanted him to go out and spend a bunch of to have a backup quarterback and now the steelers really have what backup quarterback. I'm sorry you can't count the wayne haskins with futures contracts until he actually could make the team. You wouldn't count on anybody. Are you having any of the other guys that they've signed a futures contracts guys that were on the practice squad last year and things like that. No we're not counting on those guys to be contributors this year and we shouldn't treat haskins the same way does not mean that he couldn't turn into something great. Absolutely jeff brought that up many times but mason rudolph tobacco quarterback right now and yes. He only has one year left. But it's funny because all of a sudden we want to trade this guy and move this guy and cut this guy and you know this. Does this sound like a pittsburgh. Steelers move to trade their backup quarterback when after signing their regular quarterback for one more year. If anything that. I've got training they're going. They're going to sign new contracts. If that's more of a pittsburgh steelers move. I don't see it happening at all. We're not play madden. This is the nfl. Brian you agree or disagree. I agree with dave completely. Here's here's the thing jeff. I'm going to go ahead and offer you this. Fantastic deal for your choice. Paula signed helmet. That you have the full size helmet that you wish you had but say you had it. I'm going to go ahead. And i'm going to trade you might be. Bj finney pants and my autographed mint. Condition rookie artie burns card little. You know what. I also going to throw in two tickets to the water park in pittsburgh for us it next january. So i'm gonna throw in seeing castle throwing only early in january january. Is this time here. So who wants to take trade. I'm taking offers ford right now. I'm not saying that that mason rudolph has no no no value but a lot of people think. Oh we'll just trade this guy there's got to be a market for a guy you know there might. There could possibly be a market for guy but it might be a seventh rounder. It might be a six rounder. It is just like this if you're ever in a car accident in it's not your fault but you've got a car that's ten years old and it has so much more value to you because it's your mode of transportation you get around in this car but insurance company says hey it's worth five hundred bucks because it's from two thousand eight you you know what i'm saying so it has so much more value to you because it's yours but it doesn't have a value to the insurance company or the other party if the steelers a hold onto mason rudolph next year. He so much more value valuable to that team because he has the experience. If something happens the ben roethlisberger you might not you might think he stinks a you might think that he has no future but he could kind of. Save your team next year. If it's four three games. The ben rothlisberger out. We saw what happened when landry jones and michael vick came in for for ben rothlisberger. We've seen landry jones. Come in before you know. He was good the first week but when he started not so good. So that's that's the kind of things you gotta think about. He has some value to this team. Just because you've got a guy that's thirty nine and coming back for one more year doesn't mean that you go ahead and make that trade because you might need them next year. They're already thinking miles ahead. And just like you. Dave i love mattie p i'm going to start calling millennial mattie because he thinks like a millennial and he's like oh anyway i know a millennial love brussels. Really like him he does. I love the guy i mean. That's that's why we brought him on board. He's awesome. But i was laughing because my phone this morning at six o'clock in the morning thing thing and he had like one thousand nine hundred trade possible. He had seventeen picks in one draft for the steelers. And i was like dude. They're gonna come all those guys in and all those picks in somebody actually has to make those deals. It's gonna theory. But i love his passion. And that's what's so awesome about it. That's why you need to check out his show the war room. And that's why you need to check out touchdown under with he and mark davison and he mark davis stole employed with us right because you fire them way back because of a comment on the channel but he still with us. I got fired. Marquis de was marquis de. But they're both they're they're fantastic young talents here but it's funny. How how you think when you're in that mode when you don't look at when you when you've been through the war is like the three of us have been with the steelers you kind of think. Oh yeah that's dave mentioned. Go west all the time. That's being the king of wishful thinking but You mentioned what unicorns. Yeah it's it's lally lollipops in anna rainbow clouds. So there you go. I want to ask you something though. I would ask you this. If let's say someone offers you some people are like. Oh even if it's a six or seven traffic if someone offered you a sixth round pick. Are you giving up having a backup quarterback to just because you only have for one more year that you go in with major questions a backup quarterback when people thought there was major questions last year just so you can have a six round pick now. I'm not. I'm not doing that either. I'm saying mason. Rudolph brings more value to have with this team. Even if it's just this one year than what you would get from in my opinion just to know that you have someone that's familiar with the system that you know what have in him that you could then plug in. If there's something that happens this year i mean. Let's not talk about the greatest. Sixth round pick in steelers history. Which was none other than mr call. Holda so you get one then yes anyway. Antonio brown's drafted vinnie beachie but not many stories like those two guys lewis damaged four hundred nine. We're talking in these hypotheticals. This is a good comment here. He's just let's say tomlin steps down and he loves tomlin. Said ben retires so you just lost your coaching your quarterback he says what about be enemy in trae lands. Now if you listen to my last friday you know who. I like out of this quarterback last or other quarterback in twenty twenty two crazy question mark. So brian let you go. I hear you down with that. You know west alpert shits non kin. I'm not going to be there. S i mean i love it. Yeah i i would bring guys like that in. I think a guy eric. The enemy has a lot of value. But i am just not thinking that way. Tr- trae lance. You have to make you have to make the devon bush deal if you wanna make that happen and he's going to have a lot more value than you think. I actually think that he is going to fly up. Fly up the rankings which i would not be shocked if you would see him in the top six the way he is the way he is flying up and a guy. Light has three in one draft and a guy like just in fields. I kind of see him going in an opposite direction. So i mean i just don't think it's going to happen but i would. Yeah i take it if if this was if this is one where you could just make your team and you could just say if this was your fan to align up and you can throw coach and you could just decide. This is what i want. Yeah it'd be awesome. I completely trust trae lance in the future. I'm drinking the jeff. Hartmann made cola entree links. It's me and michael back to. I gotta give him credit. We're both captains of the trae lance fan club. So dave what value you down with the mike tomlin scenario all right well first of all like i said i'm looking for the scenario. But if they say if this is it and this is what we're faced with. I would love to have trae lance but i'm very weary with what you'd have to get up to get him give up to get him. I'm not giving up next year. One i don't want to even give up another two this year i want. I want the steelers now. Like putting up. What a matt epa. I don't be twenty. Four draft picks but at the same time. I don't want to give up a lot of your top draft. Picks if you could get someone like that. You know kind of like the mock draft monday. I did on monday. Because someone crazy had fields falling all the way to the steelers mike if you could get that player and not have to give up anything to trade to get them do it. But i'd have trailing this quarterbacks learn the five melkite brad. The top ten is going to fall. I i could see it. I just saying that. But i also say when it comes to eric b enemy. He's actually and this is why. He's the head coach. If i had if i had hired new head coach right now. He's my number two choice because my number one just because of the ties. I'm breathing buyer left witch. I'm crazy. I think left which is going to be a guy. There's going to be talked about as head coach here very soon. And that's a guy that i would like to have as well nothing against the enemy. I just kind of liked that fit there. But i'm not opposed to this. If i'm a man not betting on either one of them now and again i don't think devon bush that trade curve. They moved up to ten. They lose their ten spots. They had to give up to get there. I think that it is a quarterback. you're chromatic To go a little bit higher you're gonna have to pay a little bit more so we'll see we'll see how that goes all right. Let's talk about our. Let's go to the next topic here. I definitely did this. Verdict at the end of part one and that was about the nfl insider. this stems from john. Clayton former. Espn i don't think he's with the spn anymore. I think he was one of the guys that got cut when they were basically just firing everybody up there in bristol connecticut and he's an nfl insider. We can call him that and he came out and didn't every with someone and said that he could see the steelers. Just flat out cutting joe haden and joe haden saw this tweet and so he tweeted and said i predict it's not going to happen and so essentially the question of we're going to ask you is didn't these nfl insiders. Whether it's tom placebo. Ian rapoport adam. Schefter you could throw in. Someone like john clayton chris. Mortensen are you putting any stock into what these gentlemen or ladies say about the steelers in their thoughts on that day will serve. You know. I kind of talked a little bit on on the show you know. It's all the hot takes and everything else but if you really look at some of the steelers players the steelers for an office and some of those trusted few that you feel really are truly steelers. Insiders i'm talking like my go-to jerry lock. Okay you do what he thinks. Joe haden here next year you know why because and said that he brings when you hear the inside the actual locker room stuff. He brings so much to the steelers. And and i'm not talking about just as a locker room guys as like a team leader. I'm talking about how they really feel. They can do things differently. Defensively with joe hayden on the field and then some then you want to look at his age. And i don't want to get you know i'm worried about that but i didn't see any fall off with joey last year. So people were saying simply looking at number sh. You're looking at his age. You're looking at his contract. And therefore there valuing those things but they don't they're i don't feel that they really understand the pulse of the steelers and i said this with big bros go on tuesday. If you are uninformed steelers fan you know more about the pulse of the pittsburgh steelers these national people. Because you're actually watching all the snaps and you're paying attention to what's going on specific with them and they're not because they're covering everybody so therefore i would say beware brian. What do you think about that. You know what i. I love everything that they've said if you are an insider or an nfl correspondent then you have your own trading card that says you have a very important stat and it's sp not a stolen base. It's stories broke it. And that's what they're going for. The we've got a break that we've got to break the story you've we've got to be quoted. I n rappaport needs in report reports that this is going to happen. I would love to st rappaport. Adidi any of these. Any of these guys schefter. I would like to see how much percentage we talked about. completion percentage. We talked about wind percentages. All of this. I'd like to see their actual truth percentage. What really happens. Because they're trying to get it out first and they believe they've got some inside information and it doesn't always come through. You know we. We make predictions here all the time but their predictions. We don't have the those inside scoops these guys think that they have them. But sometimes they're given false information. Mike tomlin and this organization is not going to give up their hand. And where on saying this doesn't even have to do with the steelers but you look at the. Jj watt situation o. J. j. watt is down to three teams. It's either going to be buffalo. It's going to be cleveland and it's going to be green bay. I don't think arizona was ever mentioned any of those in. Jj watt comes and says. Hey i have not made my thoughts known anybody. My people haven't said a thing but a lot of it's speculation and that's what mock drafts are. Look i live my life by two things now. One outside of this business and one inside of this business outside of this business never trust a far inside of this business never trust a mock draft. Never trust a quote until it has the steelers letterhead. It comes from the steelers twitter. Feed it it comes from them. Don't trust it because it's hearsay. Until the black and gold rooney stamp is on it. I agree and still eighty-eight puts a best think he's gives us two bucks says off-season insiders is made for tv talk. That's a good way of putting it. Put it all right. Let's play a little over under here and then we'll get to our trivia. We're gonna do three just three categories all based around ben rothlisberger. So here we go. Ben rothlisberger games played in twenty twenty. One let's assume there are seventeen games in the regular season. The over-under said it fourteen and a half bryan. What do you think. My original thought was to say fourteen. So i'm gonna say fifteen. Say over k dave now you said with seventeen game sees yes okay. Fourteen and a half. I'm going to say under. And honestly i think if ben yes it think about this. I thought about this for last year. If ben gets dinged up it actually misses a game or two. He might have been stronger and this season. So i'm not thinking that's the worst thing in the world. If if if he asked the bisa gamer to But at the same time. I'd really like to see him not have to get injured and deal with that. So but i'm just gonna say under just just to do it. I'll say fourteen. I'm gonna say over. I'm thinking around fifteen. You give or take one or two all right next ben and ben rothlisberger interceptions in twenty twenty one last season at ten. I'm going to set the line at thirteen and a half bryan muddy think overrun go under slightly under. I can seem around twelve or thirteen. All right dave. I'm going under That's that's the number. I did my staticky that rain this morning. If you don't listen to audio only podcasts. It's the it's the touchdown to intercept. Interception ratio is the biggest thing that ben rothlisberger can do that would mean a lot to his success and even steelers nations perception of what he's doing so i'm going to say that he keeps his interceptions. He needs to ominously under much. I think he'll be around ten to twelve range no matter what. And last one ben rothlisberger touchdown passes. Hey eight thirty three last season. I'm going say the over under said thirty even brian. Modi's can i actually say push because i'm thinking thirty apps thirty exactly. Okay dave. i'm gonna go under. I'm gonna say twenty eight. I'm gonna see the steelers had improved. Run game which you know but also get a member. That was no receiving touchdowns by by steelers running backs last year. That was odd that that didn't happen. But so i'm gonna say only because if he also doesn't play all seventeen games as well as good point roku grazing brown four ninety nine here we keep now. I can't imagine we keep three bud. Depre- his hayden in there. Even though he's not a free agent juju smith schuster. And i don't care about the bend news today gobi. Tse so out of depre- juju or hayden here you keep. This is a tough one for a lot of reasons. Brian will serve with you. If this is a wishlist. You know i'm going. This is purely wish. It's pre hayden in than juju if this is actually what i think is going to happen. It's going to be hated. Juju and duprey. I think duprey is not going to be around whatsoever. You know we talked about. We talked about. Joe haden saying wait a second. I'm i'm going to report that. I'm not going to get cut. And the when we say that they have plans for him. So in when you look at john clayton. I believe it was john. Clayton mentioned a longtime back that but do pre was going to probably have to take a one year. Ten million dollar deal and his response was like a Laughing emoji if that's if that's what than their kids are at these days laughing emoji whenever i don't do emojis like jeff jeff. Jeff lives real motives. In fact jeff has actually jeff has his will and testament your official documents. He has a mortgage on them. He loves them. Oh jeez exactly justin as you just have to take a brand new national treasure but could for you got in a air dryer before the kids get dinner. They have to. They have to decipher the menu through emojis But i just don't think buds back. I think eight is definitely back and i. I don't really think jujubes back. But i think judy wants the comeback and i think they're going to have a conversation just like you talked about the conversation with hargrave. I think there's gonna be conversation. I just don't think it's possible. Ideas thousand that quick haven definitely jews the wild card and the reason. I don't think it'll be but even though they say they like to. Keep keep bud bud buds value. Both what he believes he can make. And what i do think he will get on the market out there. Although the injury comes into play is just too much when you really think about cost above replacement because you you have someone in alex smith. Who's not bundy pre. But at the same time you can't afford to pay but depre- too much when you're getting ready to pay t. J. watt and you have someone like highsmith. It's they're not expensive. I'll make it simple pre gone. Juju gone hayden back all right. Let's go to trivia time dave. You ready those. You're you're you're you're done with over unders yeah. My trivia is really easy tonight. Because i was thinking about other things. I want to ask one thing Did you guys know. Tom brady left the patriots. Because he had he had voided years. Ten is contracts. that wasn't picked up. We know how much he countered against the patriots. Our cap this past year. i don't know. Is this your trivia question. No i'm different. This is a question. That's kind of like. I'll say eight million dollar. How's it gonna say seven. How about thirteen point five. So when you look at that and then you also look like what drew brees doing. The steelers did to wear biff. Bend rothlisberger if this last year and because of the voided years he's gonna count ten point three four not that bad so okay. This is really going to be quick. This is so easy so easy to let jeff handsome okay. So in the mike tomlin era. We're talking first. Round draft picks. Were not talking special teams and we're not talking specific like right cornerback or anything like that or song safety. If you're looking at just overall position groups what are the three. What are the three position groups that the steelers have not drafted the first round under coach tomlin in the first track in the non so silly tight end tight. End his one okay. They have odd drafted. So you're saying like strong safety. Free safety a geared that would just be to save. He's training here. you can chime in bryant. You wanna say one i mean. Would you aalto defensive tackle. Because they've they've hayward was a defensive linemen and defensive lineman so i mean you got interior defensive lineman you have edge rusher have linebackers. You have safeties. You have banned taken an offensive tackle. That's offensive line. Oh gosh we're talking. I'd said hold position. Gay looked at a whole position. I told you order banning quarterback and there's one more row. He's taken a running back. He's taking he is not taking. Hey he hasn't taken. It would be a wide receiver homes as cower and notice. They were all three on the same side of the ball. But now when is the last time require follow up. What is the last time. The steelers have taken those three positions in the first round a rothlisberger in two thousand and four rothlisberger. Two thousand four homes and two thousand and six that's correct and tight end would be heath miller in two thousand and five two thousand one. They're all three in a row. It went quarterback tight end wide receiver in four or five and six. They haven't been drafted in the first round sets and won't go bold prediction. Don't think they're going to get drafted in the first round again this year. But that's just me. That is jeff rosen brian. Let's do a final thoughts deer and everyone was like. Oh what about kicker. I said not special teams. I said not specialties. I said position groups. So oh my gosh i would love it. If they went the sobat hausky round and did a kicker jeff jeff would lose his mind though the that'd be amazing he would be. He's talking still talking colin hole but for a six rounder. If they'd go. Punter kicker i would love it just to see jeff my head explode. It'll happen so let's go final thoughts brian europe. I this is a landmark day for the pittsburgh steelers and the reason it is this. Remember in jerry maguire. When at the end he comes he comes home at the very end of the movie and says hey remember that project. We were working on our business. What we had a really good night. This is a really good day for the pittsburgh steelers. And i'm going to tell you why this reestablishes you. As a franchise that takes care of their players takes care of those long term players. A lot of people have thought in the past few years. Because of hines ward's early exit because of troy palomo lose early exit when they weren't ready. This is one of those that shows that they still care about their team as far as having a future hall of famer and not ready to get rid of them whether you love the move or you don't love the move it is a good move for the steelers because it shows the humanity side of the steelers and i mentioned this before in the show but when you have a juju smith schuster who is on his way out the door saying let's talk. That means the players are noticing that they're getting taken care of what does it also translate into that translates that free agents from other teams will look at the steelers as well and say they care about their players. They're not quick to usher you out out of the door. And that goes along way whether they have the pocket book to go ahead and sign a big free agent. Right now does not matter what matters is that they have rooney fide their team again today. This is a throwback to amand smoking a cigar in arthur j. rooney this is a throwback to the ambassador dan rooney this just really feels good in. When i heard the news today i was feeling good because it wasn't the big business of cutting a guy just because they're too old. This wasn't here's your gold watch. Don't let the door hit ya. Where the good lord split ya. Good luck on your future endeavors. It wasn't that this was a family move from a family team. And i feel good about it all right. Dave final thoughts. Yeah i kind of. Don't feel the same way as brian with this and i'm not saying these wrong. I'm just saying because sometimes you're like oh. They did right by ben roethlisberger. The big complaint is well then they shouldn't have because what you'd really matters is play on the field and i feel that knowing that the steelers do what they do if a player really can't do any more shows us that they believe that ben rothlisberger still has good football left it and what lines up perfectly with this is guinea kroft. Crosby's four nine super chat. That was much earlier. I don't know if you're going to get to it or not. That said when ben rothlisberger places win games maybe not the big win recently but tattle eleven wins every year so so if you might be down on band with everything else that can they do this. You know what. Ben rothlisberger does. He went football games. So it's not. I love everything the brian said. But it's even more than that. It's not even just We wanna do right by them but we want we want it to be at a level that's going to bring success to the pittsburgh steelers so i feel that's the way that the steelers truly believe. I also wanna say two other quick plugs real quick here at the end one is tomorrow night. That's usually. You're tony six pack. It might be a little bit of different show. You're still get tony but we got something else that that might be the work. So if you're not usually a friday night tuner on our on our on our podcast. Make sure you do for this one. You're going to want to catch this. So that's that's one. Then the other thing is the salary cap that's going down. We don't know what the exact number is. I actually had a had a little idea of something. That you know should have jeff decides. It's going to publish it. Because i'm crazy that's a. That's a good idea that the nfl should maybe consider when it comes to the salary cap. It's never gone down before. But i'll just say it. Does it really have to jump down to the number that it's going to be the first day of the league year or could they kind of or could they take their time getting there just something to think about. Check that out tomorrow. What by the show curtain dot com your one stop shop for all things. Pittsburgh steelers aim outs. Flurries gave us five dollars. And then he didn't put his question as they gives another two dollars and then he said jc now are signed. A one year deal today. Yes that is true evidence rare so curtain tomorrow morning on friday morning. Somme she a check that out Makes you check it. Oliver shows including my. Let's ride every monday. Wednesday friday you can. That's basically my final thought every week so next week i guarantee we're gonna have some more news to talk about because we're gonna inch closer to the new league year to make you check us out next thursday for another series preview dais goldfields. Send us out. Doesn't get better than that. We'll see you next week for another episode of the.

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