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"joe goggin" Discussed on 94WIP Sports Radio
"Today poll of one number twenty yeah he was not dead key chose one number twenty well there was another game that they played together in war today judge do you which of the two of you got twenty when you played together neither of us three one nine and watching David ward twenty six while it's just the but he'll have to great stars I want to talk he was only good guy you'll enjoy talking to know his brother I I covered him when he was a really smart a great speaker we're really I want to focus in on some of the fights he witnessed your prowess but I don't know because I was the time he had already and he was the guy he was the guy that kept everybody when Kenyon woods yeah I'm not not no I I I want about asking if I was the best captain ever sounds good all righty David graves here and I think she's been paying attention I hope so and that we'll find out now but I see it was on our hot see who you got governor wolf is on the hot seat Tom wolf will be the man who will decide when if how many fans will be in the stands come football season we've tried to balance these things with measured science based action resumes but he's been pretty smart we've done quite well in Pennsylvania greater yeah but I can't see Mister wolf giving the green light unless he feels totally safe it took one soccer game to nearly wiped out the small city of Bergen you don't need a lot of people are expected to go to the game with roughly you got another big gun Italy at the beginning of the pandemic versus Philadelphia Pennsylvania who have taken all necessary precautions aren't the same when they taking any precautions when they had no no well there's a difference another issue that will surely add the heat to the hot seat will be when other seats open up because they don't take cold it is seriously under Texas our resides in the back pocket of Jerry Jones the eagles like most teams do better when they are home on the road the essence of mediocrity people will wear masks and follow the rules because I want to be in that stadium best of luck to you Mr wolf I would never want to face an angry will span excellent odd that you are committed by go ahead come my rear eight knowledge it I said I felt very sad case out of the bed she let me be clear your work on that radio listeners I don't work on it I talked to you out here in the office your only bitchy from six to ten AM that not so much critically perky after the show you don't find a BG at all I I like having it there to be able to use it because I I do think that governor wolf has an excellent job do I think that takes away from the fact fact that there's gonna be a lot of pressure yeah you're right Texas governors he's going to be like whatever I you can go back I don't care if you get sick get your ears cleaned why it was a bit but there is a hell out even on that were re is it now alleging bake genius she's fighting back why why can't you just be pro **** yeah I okay with whatever well it is not a live from Lancaster hi Alan Alan I love your heard baseball is definitely coming back around the twenty third or twenty fourth of July how do you feel what was your first time caller such challenges during the pandemic has been real for you guys so I got an idea for Joe Conklin all right hi Joe Goggins hit out of a job he's got an idea he wants to hear it because he would like to come back into my credit I just want your love and whatever else can give here's the deal Rodney Dangerfield comments on baseball if you look at the show and then also the new announcer guy where W. 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T. the deep voice start writing a movie trailer for the baseball season all right hi Joe god good okay yeah he's right Donald is right this stuff that Dougherty said it might take a year or two but he will get to it give Alytus band how you got this band stick to your lady that was a great mmhm are you one of Penn next time write down what you're going to say J. as NextEra hi Jack yeah I do I do how are you J. okay yeah but idea for the baseball that that that tenth inning yeah if they're so worried about getting the players hurt you know over doing it and so forth why don't they make the tenth inning like a home run derby where they take everybody off the field that they have their own picture and if they had a home run it's a home run if they miss it it's an out and this way it'll be exciting at the end you know once they get to putting a man on second who didn't earn his wife any other bells and whistles makes more sense to me that's not the reason that that right there would really connect with them that's all they care about now is the damn home run and I'm sorry one of the high user issued out it's one of the reasons baseball is not as good as it used to be because there's no real strategy not movies a lot it's a lot of the players off the field that are playing defense yeah nine not as a joke hello you're in field is that is a cheap gimmick yeah I like either you like the game or you don't well you spell is dying while they got it I need to tweak July instead I don't know that I love that but they need to make changes they have water vault well this one here is it doesn't work for me at all with that are you with me on that you don't like it right don't like a gimmick I found off Belgian yeah okay hang in there let's see what we got a point Dan Donnelly is at the wheel and you've got a pass we got a nice Pat mac you're on ninety four W. I pay thirty dollars warning what did you need to say very Maddie just wondered say with baseball you know what's gonna happen what you don't what stock is that you have somebody get in the playoffs and then one of the best players with all the I think that actually take them out I thought of that that's a great point or even the world we are ready now Charlie Blackmon's got it right now Charlie Blackmon as a difference maker in the lineup for the rock big difference making you'll get I don't know hopper Aaron nola you get one of those gonna happen the best feeling is going to happen now what I was trying to figure out how long you would lose a for minimum two weeks probably longer and I would I should tell you with all the tension between the players and the owners the players are going to be like yeah I got it all all I'm sitting out yet you don't know anything about did export Jonesy if you win this year sixty games regular player is it is good is it doing the whole thing is it is it is what it's going to be so strange only that I have with the.
"joe goggin" Discussed on Cover-Up
"On a snowy weaken april i went to the kent state university department of special collections among nineteen boxes of damore files notes interview transcripts photographs and legal documents on chappaquiddick alone were many perplexing and mysterious references to planes the conjure and disappearing witnesses some were sourced in somewhere not some probable in some seemed impossible damore might lead me to the truth but it might require going down the rabbit hole there was an anonymous note that the party guests were drinking heavily we're having drag races that night and that's how the car went off the bridge but the ted jumped out of the car beforehand total bullshit damore wrote in the margin there were references to ted being flown off of martha's vineyard in the middle of the night and no one in the control tower at the edgar town airport and about the shire town in clerk line about seeing the senator to twenty five am that morning in or to provide them with an alibi lille wrote bullshit after that one too there were notes about the following morning about joe garden and paul markham showing up at ted's hotel sopping wet possibly because gardiner just dove into the water to see if mary jo was in the car which made me wonder hadn't they tried to save her the night before and there was more notes about the hotel guests to over her ted joe garden arguing in the room before the senator rushed out to make a phone call leading investigators to wonder if he'd only found out about mary jo's death that morning there were numerous references about an inquest scenario and garden had told damore we had a scenario that went from a to z that's never been disturbed there was even a letter from leo to e howard hunt the cia agent and watergate operative in nineteen seventyone hunt had travelled to cape cod to interview a man who said there'd been a third person in the car hunt used maleas more red wig and used the sp deflector courtesy of the cia for the occasion a rabbit hole i did not go down the interview tapes there were twelve tapes of job argon according to leo's notes would clarify a lot but after two days of looking through nineteen boxes leo's research i hadn't found them so i ask the librarian if she had any clue about where they might be and she produced a letter that was not in the files it's from damore to the department of special collections at kent state data january tenth nineteen ninetyfour in which he writes that a movie was being made based on his book senatorial privilege and that he was asked to keep the documentation until the film is in the can that includes the tapes of joe goggin bernie flynn which are of course of great historical interest in fact the tapes now repose my lawyer safety deposit box i immediately texted nick who's the lawyer he texted back i think it's jimmy smith my producer christina and i met jimmy in february he was funny a good storyteller and his home was full of kennedy memorabilia he made us laugh but he also made us wonder what did he really know leo damore had referred to jimmy smith as lawyer in his notes so i called him do you have any idea where those tapes are now a little pissed at him because he took all my notes dog in back to back to to worry and i had a box that all of my stuff from working for jack kennedy bobby kennedy in the spot and he's i i can see him out taking it and then he gave it to kim stay da he never got i never got stopped back but jimmy were the tapes of the interviews with garden and bernie flynn were they in that box yeah everything that they the i add was in that was like a tomato soup kitchen box and can you tell me more about the tapes how many tapes did he have i can't remember but he gave you the cassettes to keep a having all stuff so nick jimmy smith might have the tapes jimmy says leo hot the tapes and gave them to kent state the kent state said leo gave him to his lawyer who might be jimmy but i'm not sure and jimmy's not saying things were getting more strange and they were about to get stranger after chappaquiddick leo damore was looking for his next story and he remembered a conversation he'd had with one of president kennedy's closest confidence kenny o'donnell o'donnell.
"joe goggin" Discussed on Cover-Up
"And was shocked to learn after thirty years of servitude to ted that she only plan to leave him twenty five thousand dollars in her will so long as he thought he would get two hundred and fifty thousand to five hundred thousand that was enough for him to keep his mouth shut about many things damore wrote even though his loyalty was betrayed often and he was made to appear to be a stooge a gopher an almost kennedy at the same time to more noted he was struggling to cope with this alcoholism a withdrawal that seemed linked somehow with his withdrawal from ted kennedy and the kennedy family orbit guardian made a deal with damore and signed a contract he was paid at twenty five hundred dollars retainer and ultimately fifteen thousand dollars in consultation fees and he would ultimately become damore is key witness here jimmy smith explains their relationship what really happened in critic in lille i had access to the kid and i arranged for the the money to joe to get them out of a jam they mend my office in leo editing recorder in the money was provided get relief from an higher s obliga shin was joe never anybody no other place does in a way to terrain through so you got temporary leaf and then eventually got him so squared away this no dad but the three of us talking leo weta tape record up jimmy santa tuck leo a long time to earn joe gardens trust well it didn't make a speech he revealed the answer questions in a lot of things you demand live what they did this happen was it like this in the bowers ed say keep talking you know the questions never answered then when they get down to what was done to the real nitty gritty leo had a tape record i sat at my desk and leah was very thorough in in they get talking and then job up stop the walk away in the critical time and he got up and he was leah was asking the questions and joe goggin was not against hadn't they keep talking keep talking and that's the way it went hi didn't over my mouth and live at the ansari wanted by joe bowie said in waving and like keep it up keep it up in joe nunes time to go and get up in relatively into the door out the end of the copper they get the door any bowed head and waved like keep talking he keeps talking in but he knew the my opinion new the same was on was thinking he hit the hell out of this that's so goggin was cognizant perhaps of not wanting to say too much on the tape he confirmed key points but not always directly and here was another layer a man being paid to consult according to the agreement who despite all the years that had passed since the accident was still uncomfortable answering questions but why another sign of how lucid the truth could be damore book had revealed that ted had not been in shock and had been fully capable of reporting the accident to the police and that is state police investigator had been an informant for the other side and met secretly with one of ted's attorneys and his brotherinlaw and that the da had told a colleague to tell the senator i won't touch this case unless ted wants me to the book which was published in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight was a condemnation of what damore called the kennedy apparatus which he talks about with radio host art bell in one thousand nine hundred interview and how it led his first publisher random house to cancel his contract.
"joe goggin" Discussed on Cover-Up
"Office having to deal with all the interoffice memorandums letters from kennedy lawyers demanding mary jo kopechne eve close and hand will be burned and destroyed and the fact that george does not want to do this because he regards this evidence as belonging to the commonwealth of math chusetts but ultimately has to they get a court order i wondered how lille damore got the story that no one else could so i reached out to his son nick damore he's a thirty two year old seventh grade english and language arts teacher in connecticut i don't know what it was about leo but he he i think he had a way of of getting people to try to like seek help from him and i don't know if he manipulated them to kind of get information he was he was a very charming person you can hear that from his voice once he got these files from from killing after eight data leo started to take it a little bit more serious and you know he was lucky because he knew some some players in the game he was he was a little unconventional in the way that he would go about things you know he was schuessel's mun on the cape he'd like no everybody people read his column he was like a local guy so people thought okay if i talked to leo he's not gonna manipulate it he's gonna he's going to do the right thing because he's local damore got access to confidential legal documents and would convince many key people to talk including ted's cousin joe goggin the man who told him ted asked him to lie and say mary joe was driving the car that night when it went over the bridge a story we explored in episode two damore never thought he'd get goggin but they had a mutual friend jimmy smith in the first episode smith was the guy who explained why the da did not get involved at first in ted's car accident we treat this like emmy other or a meal accident the dozen have a gall in depth involved that was the key handsoff when i touch it that's why eating it while the state police matter and linda district card jimmy smith was the dukes county assistant district attorney in nineteen sixty nine he is now eighty nine years old and lives in massachusetts he had been in advancement in the political campaigns for jfk an rfk and had been invited to the reunion party that weekend in chappaquiddick but it was his wedding anniversary and he didn't go any at fond memories of teasing mary jo i worked for bobby in pennsylvania iran allegany county each girl had a state so i called them mary jo go pechiney that move cook compacting she was one of the seven girls that had the key state so that a report to her every day on a private thoughtful jimmy was leo damore neighbor and he introduced him to joe garden in nineteen eighty two i think the important thing you have to remember is that i did not come at joke garden in the same way that the national media came to his door and said in effect i'm from newsweek and you must talk to me or i demand it wasn't that situation at all it was almost as sort of evolution we began talking i quite frankly never thought i'd get cargiving joey and i became i'm not going to save friends but we can to cultivate the ground upon which he would be able to reveal to me what it accurately happened to tip critic without the anathema of being a snitch or without feeling he was being disloyal so i think it was for all of those reasons i think very plainly joe goggin an honorable man who is misrepresented to the american people as a not honorable man wanted i think the world can oh not only would really happen that critic but that gardens were somebody to i think there was a great amount of pride of name and play and i think for this reason he began talking to me about this incident in this episode but he was not easy this this occurred our interviews occurred well over a year before i receive all of the information and all all of the revelations it was very hard for him and there were reasons to according to damore joe garcon was in financial straits because he had planned on a two hundred and fifty thousand dollar inheritance from his aunt rose kennedy.
"joe goggin" Discussed on Cover-Up
"Car we're making a lot of noise we were hollering back and forth this is a very public area god only knows how many people are going to come forward the next day to say yeah i saw ted kennedy in two other guys down at dike bridge and as he says to him that won't work you can be placed at the scene of the accident in addition to that no one knows marriage kentucky well enough to know whether she even knows how to drive a car or has a license but more importantly joe goggin and paul markham are both lawyers if they make an inaccurate and misleading report of a fatal accident to the police entered 'cause they could lose their ticket as mr obstruc and told me they could lose that licensed to practice law for all of these reasons bisa goggin refuses to go along with this proposed scenario repeatedly says we've got to we've got a report it now until mr kennedy loses his temper and says all right joe right joel i'm tired of listening to you i'll take care of do go after the cottage don't tell the girls anything about the assitant i'll take care of it he gets out of the car jumps into the water and humans across about one hundred and fifty yards over to how a lot of different thoughts came into my mind at that time about how i was going to really be able to call mrs kopechne ni at some time in the middle of the night to tell her that her daughter was drowned to be able to call my own mother and my own father related to them my wife and i even even though i knew mary jo kopechne was dead and believed firmly that she was in the back of that car i will that she remained alive hi this is christina everett one of the producers of cover up i want to take a quick minute talk about our sponsor for this episode casper the work on this podcast has been exhausting to say the least between the long hours spent at the office researching and reporting on the case to the traveling that we've done to interview our subjects there's nothing better than the feeling of coming home and mind down on a good mattress and casper doesn't just have any.
"joe goggin" Discussed on Cover-Up
"Returns in haste to scene of the accident he and paul mark and get out of the car take off all those get into the pond and for a half an hour to forty five minutes struggled to try to get married joker picking out of that car in the meantime mr kennedy is up on the bridge on his back with his hands behind his head looking up into the sky rocking back and forth saying over and over again oh my god oh my god what am i gonna do what am i going to do after the rescue efforts failed joe goggin and promo can get out of the water they put their clothes back on they get back into the car and stuff heading over to the ferry land and is that this time on the way to the landing and the landing the joe goggin repeatedly is urging ted kennedy to report the accident over and over again you thing we've got to report this we've got to report it right now argon ted had another idea coach does not want to the ultimately he took those hypothetical and that is why couldn't marry joe had been driving the car like couldn't she have dropped me off at the cottage and taking the car herself in order to return to a town made a wrong turn and had the accident and he proposes returning to the price is you know to do establish this hang around another ten or fifteen minutes then he leaves makes his way back to at his hotel room and after an hour or two after he has established that he's into so tell joe goggin is to conspire to not only learn about the f more importantly to be ported to the police as having happened after ted kennedy left the party rejected the idea outright we said to me are rescue efforts it completely alter the situation we had returned to the scene of the active this is extremely public place there was the lights of the.
"joe goggin" Discussed on Cover-Up
"The regatta it was the only place where job argon was able to find a rental there he found a small two bedroom home known as the lawrence cottage just a two minute ferry ride away the name chappaquiddick comes from the native american word chappie acquitted ni meaning separated island and when you think about it what happened on the night of july eighteenth nineteen sixty nine when ted kennedy's car crashed off narrow wooden bridge leaving his passenger mary jo kopechne need to die was all because it was a separate island that's how ted's cousin joe garg unsought he's the one who planned the party the whole problem about this case was that little island he told leo damore the author of senatorial privilege the definitive book on the case this little split of water that the ferry goes back and forth is the thing that messed the whole situation up if that was a bridge instead of a fairyland you would have driven across and ben edgar town in a matter of thirty seconds more and now you're there a block from the police station discussing what you're going to do and you get out of the car and walk over there wasn't any walking over unless he was christ and he could walk across the water he was ted kennedy the youngest child of america's most powerful political dynasty and his cousin joe goggin was his advancement his fixer some even dismissively called him his aaron boy ted called him joey joe gardens mother agnes was one of rose kennedy's younger sisters after his mother died when he was six years old joe began spending summers with the kennedys just two years older than teddy he was more adept at sports than his chubby cousin he became as playmate his confidante and his protector as they always said joey fixing just like he tried to do that weekend in martha's vineyard garden wasn't charge of the weekend activities it was he who invited the guests to the reunion party who bought the food and cook the steaks on the grill it was garden along with paul markham who ted some into the water to rescue mary jo after his car went off the bridge and it was gargling fourteen years later told author leo damore that ted asked him to lie about what happened.
"joe goggin" Discussed on Cover-Up
"With a few bubbles i remember seeing the strike asians on her fingernails and the tips of their fingers where if you had actually been clawing as she died i get that feeling today i had that feeling then that we can't make a big deal out of it even if it is a major incident i devastate a letter blakely island but i thought i would see him again i really did i miss i was for food on that one i'm liz mcneil and this is cover up the festivities began with the annual edgar town regatta a weakened of sunbathing but races and late night parties ted race to sail boat the victoria as he did every year and afterwards he hosted a reunion pardon for six women who had worked for his brother bobby they were known as the boiler room girls named for the windowless office in which they worked researching delegates during rfk's presidential campaign mary jo kopechne he was one of the boiler room girls along with rosemary q she's the woman who's purse was found in ted's car after the crash the others were susan tanenbaum esther newberg and two sisters nancy and mary ellen lions in addition to the six women were six men ted kennedy his cousin joe goggin paul markham the us attorney who would accompany ted the next morning to the police station to report the accident and two men who worked for bobby's campaign raila rosa and charlie trotter as well as ted's driver jack tents wife joan kennedy then pregnant with their fourth child did not attend some of the men were told to leave the wives at home which led to a few of them turning down the invitation much was made of the fact that the six men were married except for ted's driver and the women were single but any insinuation of inappropriate behavior was denied by those in attendance the reunion party was held on the island of chappaquiddick it's a small island separated by a split of water from edgar town a picturesque harbour town in martha's vineyard one island off another island just eighteen square miles beautiful rugged remote with edgar town hotels booked for.
"joe goggin" Discussed on WLOB
"Moral compass behind all of this he was the the good guy that said listen you can't continue as a senator you've got gotta do the right thing here that that really did that really did happen the way you you portray it joe joe goggin who was a actually a kennedy cousin in actually kind of adopted by families play by ed helms and he's the moral compass and this guy exists in second passed away in december and louis talked about we we looked at the kind of obituaries and there's there's really no connection to chappaquiddick but he was he was at ted side and you know broke from the family about ten years after the incident and they never spoke again so he he certainly had issues with kids you know ted's actions that evening and he he lived in one famous interview but retired private life and we we try to reach out to him but couldn't but you know he was definitely the moral compass to the film i remember years ago i was visiting martha's vineyard and i had an opportunity to see chappaquiddick and sees where the dike bridge and even when i went years after chappaquiddick it had changed pretty dramatically because it really was a hazardous kind of a bridge you felt good did you feel good about the way it was re recreate you recreated it in mexico if i'm not mistaken yeah so so the difference in the bridge you know obviously we just kind of you know enhanced you know years later guardrails but we in visual effects that the actual bridges when that the fisherman and his son found the car the next morning that is the actual spot where it happened and then the boy is running to this famous dyke house which is about seventy five yards away and we wanted to give that geography of like exactly you know what had passed and we even show the light on the porch as the car goes by slow motion before the accident again having that geography was important but you know to to do the rest of our senior.
"joe goggin" Discussed on Super Station 101
"You do very briefly see farrar that town rescue squad guy very briefly see him telling a group they're on their bridge that he thinks he he could have saved her if he'd gotten the call and you see her this is the most powerful part of the movie you actually do see shots of very joko pack ni as she's in the rear of the car and she's calling for help she of course thinks that her hero ted kennedy is on the way to save her she has no idea that ted kennedy she's the farthest thing from kennedy's mind his only thought is how he's going to salvage his political career and so well the movie doesn't hit that as hard as it could the central scandal of of chappaquiddick i think does come through loud and clear so so ted kennedy's instinct was to try to get somebody else responsible for the accident some accounts some of the books that have been written say that upon returning that night to the to the house for the party was he tried to get his cousin joe goggin who's a very prominent character in the movie to say that he'd been driving the car garden was sort of a fix it man for the kennedys goggin wasn't that crazy he wouldn't do it the movie shows ted kennedy planning to say that mary joe is driving that car she was the one who drove the car off the bridge and and that plan being repudiated by joe garden and the guy named markham who incredibly was the us attorney in boston at that time he was a kennedy family associate was at the party after kennedy walked back to the house and by now of course it's too late garg and markham dive down to the car to see what they can see and maybe try to save mary jo well ted kennedy sits on the bank he's useless there's no situation which anyone expects ted kennedy to do anything useful that's another thing that comes through in the in the movie and but it's incredible to me that one of these guys involved in this whole thing is actually the us attorney in massachusetts so so they can't do anything they go back ted kennedy returns to to.
"joe goggin" Discussed on WDRC
"Accident to someone else just unbelievably a craven and cowardly behavior from from ted kennedy and that is depicted in the in the movie they don't hit it as hard as they could you do very briefly see farrar that edgar town rescue squad guy you very briefly see him telling a group they're on their bridge that he thinks he he could have saved her if he'd gotten the call and you see her this is the most powerful part of the movie you actually do see shots of of berry joko pack ni as she's in the rear of the car and she's calling for help she of course thinks that her hero ted kennedy is on the way to save her she has no idea that ted kennedy she's the farthest thing from from kennedy's mind his only thought is how he's going to salvage his political career and so well the movie doesn't hit that as hard as it could the central scan candle of of chappaquiddick i think does come through loud and clear so so ted kennedy's instinct was to try to get somebody else responsible for the accident some accounts some of the books that have been written say that upon returning that night to the to the house for the party was he tried to get his cousin joe goggin was very prominent character in the movie to say that he'd been driving a car garden was sort of a fix it man for the kennedys goggin wasn't that crazy he wouldn't do it the movie shows ted kennedy planning to say that mary jo is driving that car she was the one who drove the car off the bridge and and that plan being repudiated by joe garden and a guy named markham who incredibly was the us attorney in boston at that time he was a kennedy family associated was at the party after kennedy walked back to the house and by dot course it's too late garg and and markham dive down to the car to see what they can see and maybe try to save mary jo while ted kennedy sits on the bank he's useless there's no situation which anyone expects ted kennedy to do.
"joe goggin" Discussed on The Andrew Klavan Show
"Joe goggin who's got a problem should hop in the ill you better get paul to montagny what's the big idea i'm not going to be pressured not not i killed the girl i'm not going to be president and cnn in the review said this is about one of kennedy's darkest hours i thought that one of kennedy's darkest hours also it's only one of his dark as ours so that really indicates that just killing a girl you know that's one of one of those things done a lot of things wrong that was one of them i mean that they picked up that narcissism of the left you know it's i'm not going to be president it's it's amazing and the other day now this was not surprised to me but the guys who do south park they won an award from the left wing activist group people for the american way which is from what's the guy's name of the guy did all in the family he runs people that the american way restarted it and they got up to accept the award and i they had larry elder introduce them and then they said we're republican and everybody started kind of chuckling hahas joke they said no seriously we're republican now anybody who has ever watched south park new they were libertarian certainly and if you watch team america which was a part of it was really funny i mean they're very grotesque but they had a scene in team america with sean penn where he was blaming bush for everything and he by by the way you'll see at the bottom it says he's a member of the film actors guild but only as the initials f h but this thing was sean penn here last year i went to iraq the team america showed up it was a happy place they had flowery meadows and rainbow skies and rivers made a with children dance and laughing played with gunshots niles so pen gots taking off he wrote them a letter and then published it you know screaming up matt damon was cursing out of but this is all one thing that is happening i understand these are just little beams of light that are flashing through but because trump is so belligerent people who are not belligerent people who are just trying to make their point.